[12:00] <f00fbug> rpm = evil :)
[12:01] <xenonite> i thing nero is supplied as rpm
[12:01] <NeoGeo64> dude
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> apt-get sucks
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> i cant do anything with it
[12:02] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, lol
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> root@box:/home/tony # apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> is only available from another source
[12:02] <xenonite> hm you have to print the source code to beat it
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[12:02] <NeoGeo64> i cant do anything
[12:02] <tsume> where can I get kernel 2.6.8.11?
[12:02] <tsume> i'm trying to see if ther is a binary
[12:02] <tsume> is there
[12:02] <tsume> ?
[12:02] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you need to add the universe and restricted repositories
[12:03] <NeoGeo64> how
[12:03] <conner> tsume: I haven't seen any packages of 2.6.11 yet. The latest is 2.6.10-5.
[12:03] <NeoGeo64> and what are they
[12:03] <nick_m_ubuntu> hi everyone. is there a wiki or some info on changing the kernel in the hoary livecd?
[12:03] <tsume> conner: :(
[12:03] <tsume> conner: will there be a .11 for hoary?
[12:03] <conner> tsume: I hope so. I was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. I'm running hoary right now.
[12:03] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, are you in x64 or x86 ?
[12:04] <NeoGeo64> x86
[12:04] <tsume> conner: I hope so too
[12:05] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:05] <tsume> :( my batteries are dying
[12:05] <tsume> wireless mouse :)
[12:05] <tsume> wireless laptop
[12:05] <tsume> wireless power :)
[12:06] <shmoolik> is there any good burning program for Gnome?
[12:06] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you should make sure you have main restricted & universe enabled
[12:06] <inphlict> What command will let me remove a directory
[12:06] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, graveman
[12:06] <JDigital> Hhow do I tell how many meggerbytes free space I have left?
[12:06] <inphlict> I can't seem to do it with rm ro rmdir
[12:06] <tsume> JDigital: df -h
[12:06] <nick_m_ubuntu> Shaquile, there is built in cd burning.. places->cd/dvd creator
[12:07] <xenonite> inphlict, do a rm -r
[12:07] <shmoolik> LinuxJones, thanks
[12:07] <inphlict> I get
[12:07] <inphlict> rm: cannot remove directory `/media/win_c': Permission denied
[12:07] <nick_m_ubuntu> sorry, shmoolik
[12:07] <inphlict> I unmounted it already
[12:07] <inphlict> and all
[12:07] <xenonite> inphlict, you have to be root
[12:07] <Shaquile> nick_m_ubuntu: Mkay...
[12:07] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, it's very good, there is also gnomebaker which will require a tiny bit of work to get installed
[12:07] <inphlict> how do I get into root, sorry I'm new
[12:07] <xenonite> inphlict, sudo rm -r
[12:08] <inphlict> ah crap
[12:08] <inphlict> keep forgeting sudo lol
[12:08] <inphlict> thnx
[12:08] <xenonite> np
[12:08] <inphlict> thanks worked well
[12:08] <xenonite> no problem ;-)
[12:08] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  the question is does it worth it ? ("gnomebaker")
[12:09] <TheAngryPenguin> anyone know of a good Wi-Fi access point browser?
[12:09] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, I think you will be very happy with graveman :)
[12:09] <inphlict> can I make directories with spaces in linux?
[12:09] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  okay man thanks :)
[12:10] <inphlict> does anyone know
[12:10] <inphlict> if I'm allowed to have spaces in directories?
[12:10] <mjr> yes you are
[12:10] <inphlict> k
[12:10] <JDahl> inphlict, yes, but then you need to use quotations, e.g. cd "my dir with spaces"
[12:10] <Blissex> inphlict: but it is not a good idea
[12:10] <inphlict> I see
[12:10] <Blissex> inphlict: using spaces in any file/directory names in UNIX/Linux is not a good idea
[12:11] <xenonite> inphlict, write a \ in front of the space
[12:11] <mjr> a matter of taste really
[12:11] <Blissex> inphlict: use underscores instead of spaces, or dashes.
[12:11] <ian_brasil> anyone working (or know someone working) on translating the unofficial guide into portuguese??
[12:11] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah !!! graveman is grate !!! just the thingy i was looking for !!! thanks
[12:11] <inphlict> alright I will
[12:11] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, :)
[12:11] <declan> I've never used this x-chat thing before, so I hope it's ok to just throw a question out there.  Is there an easy way to shift my /home directory into a new partition.  Do I simply create the partition, and then copy the contents into it. How do I make sure that the partition is mounted as /home?
[12:11] <Blissex> people who uses spaces in filenames are begging for trouble with shell scripts and so on
[12:11] <eryco> hey people i see ubuntu has made the top downloaded distro @ distrowatch
[12:12] <xenonite> inphlict, i use spaces very often, it is a matter of taste
[12:12] <Blissex> declan: what you say is mostly ok.
[12:12] <jmki> declan: copying is fine.. use cp -a to make sure all the permissions and stuff is fine
[12:12] <LinuxJones> eryco, for good reason :P
[12:12] <declan> Even the hidden files will move?
[12:12] <jmki> declan: and to mount your new partition to /home edit /etc/fstab
[12:12] <mjr> Blissex, only if they are into buggy scripting
[12:12] <shmoolik> i want to ask anouther small thingy :) is there any download program like FlashGet ?
[12:12] <eryco> am now on a redhat box and an ubuntu cd ready for install so how difficult is the install
[12:13] <Blissex> mjr: there are zillions of buggy scripts unfortunately...
[12:13] <jmki> declan: for example if your partition is /dev/hdb1 then add line like: /dev/hdb1   /home    ext3  defaults 0 0
[12:13] <xenonite> eryco, do you want to preserve your dat?
[12:13] <xenonite> a
[12:13] <jmki> declan: with ext3 being what ever is the partitions filesystem
[12:13] <declan> It's strange that the Warty default didn't give you a separate /home partition.  What is the reasoning behind that, does anyone know?
[12:13] <eryco> my dat?
[12:13] <Blissex> mjr: it is just begging for trouble and complications... Of course one can make it work, it is just not worth the additional trouble,
[12:13] <mjr> Blissex, good for me none of them have caused trouble on my home system, then
[12:14] <jmki> declan: why should it give? normal desktop users don't get much out of separate /home directory
[12:14] <Blissex> mjr: then _you_ explain to n00bs how to use '-print0' and '-0' on 'find'/'xargs' or whatever...
[12:14] <usual> what version of fontconfig is borked in hoary?
[12:14] <jmki> declan: and powerusers know howto change the partitioning themselves
[12:14] <mjr> declan, extraneous partitions on a desktop system just increase complexity and decrease flexibility
[12:14] <declan> It's just handier if you upgrade from scratch.  Is it not?
[12:14] <inphlict> How do I get my mounts to appear on my desktop?
[12:14] <eryco> xenonite: what is my dat? damn acronymns
[12:14] <inphlict> I made 2
[12:14] <inphlict> but only 1 appears?
[12:14] <jmki> declan: well, that's true
[12:15] <declan> I now have hoary, but when it is released properly it might be nice to reinstall from there.
[12:15] <inphlict> Does anyone know?
[12:15] <inphlict> I made 2 mounts in media of my windows drives
[12:15] <inphlict> and only 1 appears on desktop
[12:15] <xenonite> sorry for the type, eryco
[12:15] <xenonite> data
[12:16] <inphlict> Does anyone know?
[12:17] <inphlict> It must be something minor
[12:17] <inphlict> I can't get one of the mounts to appear on desktop
[12:17] <^thehatsrule^> nice this font is cool
[12:17] <inphlict> also how can I rename files on desktop
[12:18] <xenonite> ^thehatsrule^, which font?
[12:18] <inphlict> yeah which font are u using?
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> lol.. just looks funny
[12:19] <inphlict> the stable release runs much better
[12:19] <declan> Right, thanks for your help peoples.  Good luck!
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> OCR extended
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[12:20] <ian_brasil> cool..we get on with the translation ...anyone interested in helping so to #ubuntu-br
[12:20] <SeeleyUSMC> Let me get this right...Ubuntu has support for wireless cards?  So my Atheros abg card in my laptop should work fine from the get-go?
[12:21] <f00fbug> SeeleyUSMC, perhaps
[12:21] <f00fbug> if ! there is always ndiswrapper
[12:21] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[12:22] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, atheros are supported with the restricted modules packages
[12:22] <mjr> (perhaps not on all architectures, I don't know)
[12:26] <inphlict> hmm
[12:27] <inphlict> Is there any themes for text colors you could download for xchat
[12:29] <raydogg_> where are the names of printer devices stored so i can share it via samba ?
[12:29] <djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: ok, i'm back. i got nvidia to run again, and here's what i did: installed linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686-smp, THEN ran nvidia-glx-setup enable
[12:30] <djst> appearantly, nvidia kernel doesn't work with just any linux image
[12:30] <LinuxJones> djst, great :)
[12:30] <djst> from the description of the restricted packages: "Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP
[12:30] <djst> This package provides restricted modules for Linux version 2.6.10 on
[12:30] <djst> Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium IV with SMP support."
[12:30] <Ephemeral> how do i get KUBUNTU?
[12:31] <djst> "Currently the following modules are included: [...]  nvidia [...]  These modules are "restricted" because they are not available under a completely Free licence."
[12:31] <Quest-Master> Ephermal: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:31] <Quest-Master> Ephermal: You need Hoary though
[12:31] <Ephemeral> ah
[12:31] <Ephemeral> whats Hoary?
[12:31] <djst> Jesterace: so you don't need the cd, you just need the "restricted" package for your kernelm which doesn't exist for all kernel images
[12:31] <Ephemeral> testing?
[12:31] <Quest-Master> The next version of Hoary
[12:31] <Quest-Master> It's at Preview Release
[12:31] <Quest-Master> I am using it right now
[12:31] <declan_> He means the next version of Ubuntu, I think
[12:31] <Ephemeral> Quest, how do i find out what ive got?
[12:32] <Quest-Master> It's just as stable as Warty for me.
[12:32] <Quest-Master> declan_: My bad, yes.
[12:32] <djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: thanks both for your help! i now understand this a bit better, i think
[12:32] <Quest-Master> Ephermal: You most likely have Warty
[12:32] <dodger> for me, too
[12:32] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, cat /etc/issue
[12:32] <Ephemeral> david@ubuntu:~ $ cat /etc/issue
[12:32] <Ephemeral> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[12:33] <Ephemeral> hmm, how do i get Hoary?
[12:33] <Ephemeral> ive got universe added
[12:33] <Ephemeral> if that helps?
[12:33] <thenuke> Ephemeral: you should about always check the wiki for help first :)
[12:33] <thenuke> and then ask irc
[12:33] <LinuxJones> djst, :)
[12:33] <davix> how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again)
[12:34] <dodger> you have to make a dist upgrade. i guess you'll find some info in the wiki
[12:34] <declan_> I went to synaptic, repositories, changed the word "warty" for "hoary", then chose Smart Upgade, and waited for an age.
[12:34] <declan_> It worked a dream
[12:34] <BigIslandVegan> Any body know to access bluetooth admin / setup stuff on ubuntu ppc?
[12:34] <BigIslandVegan> hoary
[12:34] <Ephemeral> hmm looks like all i do is change the repositories?
[12:34] <ian> using a fresh 4.10 install on a thinkpad here and the right alt key shows up as a special key "Alt_R" in Keyboard Shortcuts preferences dialog.  so you can't do Alt-A because hitting Alt sets it to "Alt_R".  It also screws up desktop switching using Ctrl-Alt-arrows.  (All of this applies only to the right alt key, the left one works fine)
[12:34] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[12:35] <declan_> That's what I did.  Change all the "warty" for "hoary" and upgrade.  It takes time, though
[12:35] <dodger> that's how i did it, too. works like a charm.
[12:35] <ian> declan_: how long?
[12:35] <dodger> about 1.5 hrs.
[12:36] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  i must say that gnomebaker is much better then graveman .... i had some problems with graveman...
[12:36] <declan_> Something like that.
[12:37] <declan_> I did the upgrade to see if I could get the sound to work.  It did.  If there's no reason to upgrade, then why risk it.  But it solved my sound problem, so it was worth it.
[12:37] <Ephemeral> LinuxJones, im confused, it says Hoary has been released
[12:37] <Ephemeral> so why didnt Warty auto upgrade to Hoary?
[12:38] <Ephemeral> ah my mistake
[12:38] <inc> sup channel
[12:38] <Ephemeral> NOT released
[12:38] <Ephemeral> :S
[12:38] <ian> Ephemeral: some words are extra-important :)
[12:38] <Ephemeral> hehe
[12:38] <Ephemeral> im tired :/
[12:38] <[FiDO] > has anyone tried to get lirc working with their tv card remotes
[12:39] <davix> how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again)
[12:39] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, it's not officialy released till April 5th or 6th it's a Preview Release
[12:39] <Ephemeral> ian is it safe to do a smart upgrade,ive changed all sources to Hoary
[12:39] <inc> any familiar with tape drives?
[12:39] <Ephemeral> ?
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> ooo tape drives
[12:39] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, yes use smart for the upgrade
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> for win95, yes :P
[12:39] <inc> ^thehatsrule^: lol winows
[12:40] <inc> more evil inside
[12:40] <inc> i ran this tar cvf /dev/hdd /home
[12:40] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, by clicking smart it's like doing apt-get dist-upgrade, It automatically upgrades you to Hoary and downloads any additional packages required by the upgrade
[12:41] <inc> and get this tar: /dev/hdd: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes
[12:41] <inc> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[12:41] <Ephemeral> Ok thanks
[12:41] <Ephemeral> Im running the 64-bit distro, looks like the original CD i used to nstall was ancient, hopefully i'll get a new ISO on 5th/6th
[12:41] <Ephemeral> the Hoary 64
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> Ephemeral: warty is still the current stable release
[12:42] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you will be upgraded to more recent packages long before the cd arrives :)
[12:42] <Ephemeral> ah
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> how long is that long?
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> a week? :/
[12:44] <Ephemeral> out of interest is there any area for users to suggest packages?
[12:44] <LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, Hoary get's released early April the cd's will probably go out within a few weeks-a month past that
[12:44] <Ephemeral> to be included on the main CD
[12:44] <drspin> anyond used the loopback method for writing to NTFS partitions????????
[12:44] <^thehatsrule^> ah guess thats alright
[12:44] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you can request packages but the 700 meg cd limit is getting close to full :)
[12:45] <chickenman> i better be going to bed it's almost midnight :P see you later people
[12:45] <^thehatsrule^> im in no hurry to upgrade
[12:45] <Ephemeral> the one i'd suggest is FLAC decoder/plugin by default...
[12:45] <Ephemeral> very minor thing though
[12:46] <Ephemeral> the only thing i cant do in Ubuntu is 3d acceleration, which is ATIs fault
[12:46] <Ephemeral> :@
[12:46] <Ephemeral> i need an Nvidia card
[12:46] <^thehatsrule^> which card?
[12:46] <Ephemeral> 9800Pro
[12:46] <^thehatsrule^> oo nice!
[12:47] <^thehatsrule^> and what did you try?
[12:47] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, that card is supported in Hoary I think
[12:47] <Ephemeral> i cant remember what version i tried but i gave up
[12:47] <Ephemeral> i heard the performance was awful anyway
[12:47] <Ephemeral> you need an Nvidia card to play games
[12:47] <^thehatsrule^> no... if i could get it working on old cards on different linuxes..
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> then it should be the same for ubuntu no?
[12:48] <LinuxJones> ATI have great hardware but their drivers have always sucked
[12:48] <Ephemeral> im using the 64bit distro as well though
[12:48] <Ephemeral> so i would need 64 bit ATI drivers?
[12:48] <LinuxJones> ohh
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> nah, the catalyst drivers rocked for radeons
[12:49] <tsaphah> so.. I've been hearing a lot about ubuntu lately..how is it for exisiting packages/ package control?
[12:49] <ells> LinuxJones,  agree, ATI good company bad drivers
[12:49] <LinuxJones> ells, yeah
[12:49] <Somazx> I'm finding two installs of ubuntu won't allow Zend Studio to do sftp to them when I can ssh in just fine using the same account info. My guess is some option in the config file is preventing Zend from loggin in. Any gueses as to what that would be?
[12:49] <ells> I use to use an ATI Rage 128. always had issues
[12:50] <LinuxJones> ells, I msut have applied for 25 jobs with them neve even got a phone call ;P
[12:50] <LinuxJones> *never
[12:50] <Ephemeral> best distro out there tsaphah, this coming from a newish user... ive tried a lot, and only Ubuntu and Mandrake gave me lasting immpressions
[12:50] <^thehatsrule^> lol, i have ati rage pro turbo's
[12:50] <ells> LinuxJones, figures
[12:50] <^thehatsrule^> its fine for me
[12:50] <drspin> funny -- I got a call from intel this morning -- and I just started a new job at 2wire http://www.2wire.com
[12:50] <ells> thehatsrule: maybe they are better. have not been impressed with them in windows or linux, for me
[12:51] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, Ubuntu is built on Debian Unstable so packages are very recent and package management is awesome with apt
[12:51] <^thehatsrule^> hm... i got 3 of these similar cards, all 8mb agp 2x
[12:51] <^thehatsrule^> dont use them much tho, anymore
[12:52] <tsaphah> nods, is it more stable than debian unstable?  Last time I tried it on this sytem I had all sorts of problems.
[12:52] <geneo93> hoary seems pretty damn stable to me
[12:53] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[12:54] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, Ubuntu is not even a year old and it's already probably the best distro round IMHO
[12:54] <^thehatsrule^> i just dl'd v4...
[12:54] <Somazx> nm figured it out
[12:54] <^thehatsrule^> seriously?!
[12:54] <^thehatsrule^> wow, id thought itd be here longer
[12:54] <RUF> Calaboongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:54] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[12:54] <LinuxJones> RUF, you joined jsut to say that :)
[12:54] <RUF> YEAH, lol
[12:55] <LinuxJones> RUF, thanks !!
[12:55] <eurojovi> Ubuntu 5.04...got xine & codecs using ubuntuguide.org.  Xine plays most files....but some ASF/WMV files' audio is messed up.  Anyone have any ideas?
[12:55] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: Well, bandwidth is cheap.  I'll give it a try.  I've been wanting something that is clean, fast, "just works", etc.  You know that "perfect" system that doesn't exist ;)
[12:55] <Ephemeral> btw General observation, everytime i upgrade my Ubuntu.. it annihilates my Grub Menu.lst... anyway of stopping this?
[12:56] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, what are you running now ?
[12:56] <memcmeme> hello
[12:56] <RUF> I wanna know anybody
[12:57] <treke> Ephemeral: You need to make your changes a bit differently
[12:57] <Ephemeral> hmm?
[12:57] <netmonk> hello! is there a program that could scale a number of images lets say from 48x48 to 24x24?
[12:57] <tsaphah> Right now only XP.  Last linux distro I had was Suse 9.2 Pro and before that FreeBSD.  I liked FreeBSD the best, just was as intuitive as most linux distros
[12:57] <treke> Ephemeral: the packages regenerate the menu.list files based on the template information commented out at the top of the file
[12:58] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: I played wiht mandrake back in the early 9.x days. Redhat back at 6, Gentoo, Slackware, Debian.  Made the rounds you could say.
[12:58] <LinuxJones> netmonk, you can do it form the command line I know but as for gui I am not sure. I am sure that functionality is available in some app.
[12:59] <netmonk> linuxboy, where can I check for this command. forget the gui ;)
[12:59] <treke> Ephemeral: so any changes you make need to be outside the ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST and ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST block
[12:59] <eurojovi> Ubuntu 5.04...got xine & codecs using ubuntuguide.org.  Xine plays most files....but some ASF/WMV files' audio is messed up.  Anyone have any ideas?
[12:59] <netmonk> LinuxJones, where can I check for this command. forget the gui ;)
[01:00] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, well as for rpm based distros like Mandrake/Redhat/SuSe Ubuntu is far snappier. Gentoo and Slack are about on par ofr usability. It doesn't come with all of the Graphical Configuratuion stuff that mdk/rh or suse have.
[01:00] <LinuxJones> netmonk, you would have to search google it was like 3 years ago I needed to do it and can't remember :(
[01:00] <Ephemeral> treke: ?
[01:01] <Ephemeral> treke: my normal entries start after ## End Default Options ##
[01:01] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: That's alright. As long as there are decent docs' like with Freebsd. I'm not scared of the terminal.
[01:01] <treke> Ephemeral: regarding menu.lst regnerating
[01:01] <Ephemeral> treke: thats the bit i'll lose
[01:01] <declan_> Eurojovi reminded me: depending on whether I use Totem, or Mplayer, or Kaffeine, I get different results.  None are completely satisfactory.  Is the fact that I'm getting a halting playback on DVDs fixable? It seems as though I was getting the clearest picture with mplayer, is that possible?
[01:02] <treke> Ephemeral: right, that block gets rewritten every time
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> declan_: there is also totem-xine and totem-gstreamer
[01:02] <treke> Ephemeral: if you look farther up and farther down there are other block markers
[01:02] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, you will have no problems at all with Ubuntu, it does have it's own way of doing certain things. www.ubuntuguide.org is a great resource for common things :)
[01:02] <Ephemeral> treke: theres nothing below that
[01:02] <declan_> HrdwrBob: will they offer better performance?
[01:02] <Ephemeral> treke: some comments above
[01:03] <treke> Ephemeral: search the file for "AUTOMAGIC"
[01:03] <Quest-Master> eurojovi: Tried VLC?
[01:03] <ells> LinuxJones, I download the hoary preview and did a dry run with it. It is gonna work on my desktop that has debian on it. I guess for whatever reason, warty did not work with my desktop
[01:03] <eurojovi> ummm...guess not.  What's VLC?
[01:03] <ells> LinuxJones, I am gonna back my data up
[01:03] <Quest-Master> eurojovi: apt-cache for it and then install. :D
[01:04] <odie5533> www.videolan.org
[01:04] <LinuxJones> ells, great, I guess the devs are working their butts off :)
[01:04] <geneo93> i see fontcofig was fixed intodays updates
[01:04] <sirukin> hmm
[01:04] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: K, I'll take a look there. Thanks
[01:04] <gfxstyler> MUAHAHAHAHAHAA
[01:04] <Ephemeral> trek: ok, i see the first use of that word
[01:04] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, have fun :)
[01:04] <eurojovi> mk
[01:04] <Ephemeral> trek: # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
[01:04] <gfxstyler> WTF :D
[01:04] <gfxstyler> i love u guys
[01:04] <gfxstyler> i love u all :D
[01:04] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[01:04] <treke> Ephemeral: do you see the commented line that says ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> gfxstyler, lol
[01:04] <gfxstyler> 3d acceleration is finally working
[01:04] <tsaphah> I will. Oh, can you point me to a resource that talks about the diff's between Ubuntu and other deb based distro's?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> declan_: totem-xine generally works best currently, afaik
[01:05] <ells> LInuxJones, I like ubuntu way better than debian
[01:05] <Ephemeral> Yes
[01:05] <odie5533> Who maintains the packages in the universe and multiverse?
[01:05] <declan_> I'll try it then.  Thanks.
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> odie5533: masters of the universe
[01:05] <gfxstyler> omg i cannot believe it the 3d really works o_O
[01:05] <treke> Ephemeral: above that line you should be able to make changes and they wont be overwritten
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[01:06] <treke> Ephemeral: then the last line in the file should say ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST. You can write to the file after that line
[01:06] <Ephemeral> treke: ok currently that space is blank
[01:06] <memcmeme> Why Doesn't windows allow you to use the KDE desktop
[01:06] <memcmeme> ?
[01:06] <Ephemeral> treke: yes thats right
[01:06] <icebalm> memcmeme: you're joking right?
[01:06] <memcmeme> This is about six billion times more efficient than XP's or even Aqua
[01:06] <memcmeme> I am new to Ubuntu
[01:06] <Quest-Master> memcmeme: Windows isn't open source. :P
[01:06] <memcmeme> and I am amazed at this dektop
[01:06] <mitch__> memcmeme: actually, this is possible
[01:06] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, well the ubuntulinux.org has some stuff. Basically Ubuntu has regular release cycles (6 months), 18 month support per release, next-day release of Gnome/KDE and great irc channel :D
[01:06] <treke> Ephemeral: Is that last line missing? Or is writing to the file outside of it still being overwritten?
[01:06] <icebalm> memcmeme: hrmm, default ubuntu is gnome
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Yeag
[01:07] <Quest-Master> *Yeah
[01:07] <memcmeme> I am using kubuntu desktop
[01:07] <memcmeme> I like it better
[01:07] <Quest-Master> They have KDE built with Cygwin for Windows
[01:07] <Quest-Master> It's very buggy though
[01:07] <icebalm> memcmeme: ahh I see
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Slow as well
[01:07] <memcmeme> its great
[01:07] <Pawnomatic> Does anyone know why i would get two errors after Gnome starts....? One that is untitled saying "You must be the superuser (root) to configure GDM." (ok)......... and the other titled "Error" saying "Missing command to run." (close)....any help would be great because i am fairly new at this
[01:07] <Ephemeral> treke: i wont know 'til the upgrade to Hoary tries to overwrite the file
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> and entirely pointless
[01:07] <Ephemeral> treke: still downloading updates
[01:07] <memcmeme> I can't get over how many packages there are for Linux
[01:07] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: *smiles* alright. thanks again for your time.
[01:07] <treke> Ephemeral:  you can simulate it by running /sbin/update-grub
[01:07] <lunitik> Quest-Master: with Qt/win32 being GPL now... its just not smart to use Cygwin for KDE apps on Windows any more imo
[01:08] <BigIslandVegan> Any bluetooth specialists?
[01:08] <Quest-Master> Qt for Win32 is GPL now?
[01:08] <HillTop> memcmeme: There is talk of porting KDE to Windows, as an appliication I suppose.
[01:08] <Ephemeral> treke: its just 4 lines i need to add or so
[01:08] <Quest-Master> When'd that happen?
[01:08] <lunitik> Quest-Master: yes... like a month ago
[01:08] <Quest-Master> I'm behind.
[01:08] <Quest-Master> :P
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you want to run KDE... why not just run linux
[01:08] <memcmeme> I think you ought to be able to totally replace the windows XP WM with KDE
[01:08] <Ephemeral> treke: so i might leave it, and edit it manualy after upgrade
[01:08] <memcmeme> that would be better
[01:08] <treke> did they ever release QT3?
[01:08] <Ephemeral> treke: as usual...
[01:08] <memcmeme> but I don't think it will effect me
[01:08] <treke> I thought it was just qt4 that would be gpl on windows
[01:08] <lunitik> treke: umm... yes
[01:09] <memcmeme> I don't forsee using Windows again on my home desktop
[01:09] <rvalles> hi
[01:09] <memcmeme> this is just so much more efficient
[01:09] <rvalles> let's suppose I have gcc 3.3.x and gcc 3.4.x installed
[01:09] <rvalles> how do I switch between them, on ubuntu?
[01:09] <eurojovi> Quest-Master:  VLC worked! Thanks!
[01:09] <LinuxJones> rvalles, CC=gcc3.x I think
[01:09] <^thehatsrule^> when you compile, you can specify
[01:10] <lunitik> HrdwrBoB: There is rumors they are gonna port entire KDE to Windows so you can use it instead of explorer.exe ... would allow those that use Windows for games to use KDE and not reboot...
[01:10] <icebalm> rvalles: the higher version one will probably be gcc, the other probably gcc33
[01:10] <mitch__> memcmeme:  you should try litestep for windows. :)
[01:10] <Quest-Master> eurojovi: No problem. :)
[01:10] <^thehatsrule^> heh litestep's alright
[01:10] <rvalles> icebalm: problem is that it isn't :O
[01:10] <^thehatsrule^> nothings like fluxbox or the like
[01:10] <mitch__> :)
[01:10] <icebalm> rvalles: ok so what does gcc -v say?
[01:10] <geneo93> rvalles:  remove the older one then
[01:10] <rvalles> icebalm: in gentoo, there's a gcc-config thing which can be used to repoint all gcc commands to the prefered version, of those installed...
[01:11] <rvalles> geneo93: Ok, I can do that, but I thought it would be nice to keep both
[01:11] <icebalm> rvalles: yeah well ubuntu is a binary distrib, install packages
[01:11] <rvalles> geneo93: 3.3.x builds far more stuff than 3.4...
[01:11] <geneo93> true
[01:12] <xenonite> gn8
[01:18] <MeHere> hi gues
[01:18] <MeHere> guys*
[01:18] <LinuxJones> MeHere, hi
[01:18] <MeHere> umm I'm a bit new to linux
[01:18] <geneo93> Starting Azureus...
[01:18] <MeHere> i installed both gnome and kde
[01:18] <geneo93> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[01:18] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij] 
[01:18] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:18] <geneo93> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
[01:18] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java =Error] 
[01:18] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:18] <MeHere> but can't bring kde up
[01:18] <MeHere> what should i do
[01:18] <geneo93> any ideas
[01:19] <LinuxJones> MeHere, it installed ok ?
[01:19] <MeHere> yeah
[01:19] <MeHere> everything installed
[01:19] <tyler> Hola peeps. ANyone on Hoary?
[01:19] <MeHere> i think i have to bring it up at first before coming into gnome right
[01:19] <geneo93> me is
[01:19] <shmoolik> yeah
[01:19] <LinuxJones> MeHere, iok in the gdm login screen (where you type you username/password0 under session select kde
[01:20] <tyler> gene, anyprops with mp3 playback and the mozilla mplayer pug in
[01:20] <MeHere> it doesn't show any session
[01:20] <rvalles> well
[01:20] <rvalles> after removing gcc
[01:20] <rvalles> (while keeping gcc-3.4)
[01:20] <geneo93> no
[01:20] <MeHere> it only user name and then password
[01:20] <MeHere> no session comes up
[01:20] <rvalles> gcc --versions now throws a nice-nice "command not found"
[01:20] <MeHere> i had suse linux before
[01:20] <LinuxJones> MeHere, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <MeHere> that had it
[01:20] <rvalles> horror!
[01:20] <IRCFrEAK> ...
[01:21] <IRCFrEAK> im an ircfreak it seems
[01:21] <LinuxJones> MeHere, sorry kubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <IRCFrEAK> interesting
[01:21] <rvalles> I want my gcc --version to work and return "3.4.3", the version I want to use
[01:21] <rvalles> is that even possible? :(
[01:21] <geneo93> rvalles:  did you specify
[01:21] <LinuxJones> rvalles, yeah gimme a sec
[01:22] <MeHere> ok it's says this
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[01:22] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [102B] 
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [108B] 
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Sources
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [104B] 
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Sources
[01:23] <MeHere> Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [110B] 
[01:23] <shmoolik> ?
[01:23] <MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[01:23] <MeHere> Fetched 424B in 3s (126B/s)
[01:23] <MeHere> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:23] <MeHere> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[01:23] <MeHere> why does it say so?
[01:23] <MeHere> Jones?
[01:24] <geneo93> MeHere did you use sudo
[01:24] <shmoolik> dude y have y flooded?
[01:24] <MeHere> yes
[01:24] <MeHere> i even entered my password
[01:25] <geneo93> MeHere:  are you trying to update
[01:25] <MeHere> yeah
[01:25] <LinuxJones> rvalles, export CC=gcc32 as an example
[01:26] <MeHere> i'm trying to get kde to work
[01:26] <tyler> Mm. I should reinstall the codecs or something'
[01:26] <geneo93> ok do this first sudo apt-get -f install
[01:26] <MeHere> i don't get any sessions at the login time
[01:26] <e-motion> does anyone have an idea, when an install hangs at the beginning. acpi=off helps a bit , but still hangs after a while
[01:26] <helio1> Does anyone currently have their Ubuntu system set up to print via a Windows machine? I'm trying to get this classroom computer printing to a Windows Networked printer and can't get the settings right, nor can I find them via google...
[01:27] <LinuxJones> MeHere, it should add it for you
[01:27] <geneo93> MeHere:  then you didn't get kubuntu-desk
[01:28] <MeHere> umm i did this sudo apt-get -f install
[01:28] <geneo93> or kdm
[01:28] <MeHere> it didn't update anything
[01:28] <geneo93> what did it say
[01:28] <MeHere> i just installed ubuntu
[01:28] <LinuxJones> MeHere, try geneo93 's syggestion of installing kdm
[01:28] <dabi> cant install finnish language to ubuntu :S i have the packages installed but when i select finnish in gdm it says fi_FI utf 8 not found
[01:29] <MeHere> it updated everything while installing i think
[01:29] <MeHere> what was that packages name again
[01:29] <LinuxJones> MeHere, apt-get install kdm
[01:29] <MeHere> kubuntu-desktop?
[01:29] <geneo93> MeHere:  that would up date all things
[01:29] <LinuxJones> MeHere, sorry yeah
[01:30] <dabi> ...
[01:30] <ani> hey
[01:30] <ani> does anyone know how i might be able to get sound working?
[01:31] <geneo93> crimsun:  can prolly help u best
[01:31] <MeHere> E: Couldn't find package kdm
[01:32] <rvalles> LinuxJones: no,
[01:32] <geneo93> ok try kubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <rvalles> LinuxJones: there isn't a gcc :(
[01:32] <rvalles> LinuxJones: command not found no matter the CC, so I guess there isn't a wrapper, there isn't anything at all
[01:32] <LinuxJones> rvalles, you installed build-essential ?
[01:32] <MeHere> it can't open
[01:32] <MeHere> hold on brb
[01:32] <MeHere> gonna restart
[01:33] <farruinn> dabi: what packages have you installed already
[01:33] <girls> ghi
[01:33] <dabi> huuuh.. many...
[01:33] <girls> hi
[01:33] <icebalm> y0
[01:34] <farruinn> dabi: try installing language-support-fi to be sure
[01:34] <dabi> farruinn: i have..
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <icebalm> girls: shut the fuck up
[01:34] <farruinn> hello, we see you
[01:34] <girls> hi
[01:34] <girls> fuck you
[01:34] <e-motion> is there a posibility to install ubuntu from the LIVE CD ?
[01:34] <rvalles> LinuxJones: ic.
[01:34] <gratuit> has anyone here tried out usplash? I'm having trouble finding one of it's dependancies to build it, specifically lib++dfb I think
[01:34] <LinuxJones> girls,  please leave !!
[01:34] <suifur> girls: once is enough ya fucktard
[01:34] <dabi> farruinn: i have language-pack-fi, language-pack-fi-base, language-support-fi
[01:35] <MeHere> ok still doesn't give me any sessions
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> ihih
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hih
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <LinuxJones> MeHere, I would join #kubuntu and ask if others have the same problem
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <icebalm> girls: what the hell is your problem?
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <MeHere> girls: please stop saying hi
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <Dakko> No kidding
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <dabi> farruinn: i installed ubuntu (hoary) in finnish and worked.. but now after updating it changed back to english
[01:35] <LinuxJones> troll
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:35] <suifur> girls: shut the fuckin hell up and go the fuck away
[01:35] <helio1> moderators can ban people; please keep the tone polite
[01:35] <girls> hi
[01:36] <MeHere> ok
[01:36] <girls> hi
[01:36] <MeHere> thanks
[01:36] <girls> hih
[01:36] <gratuit> ah, the simple joy of /ignore
[01:36] <Dakko> Who can ban her? lol
[01:36] <girls> ih
[01:36] <girls> bye
[01:36] <rvalles> LinuxJones: ok
[01:36] <suifur> gah fine
[01:36] <Dakko> That was odd.
[01:36] <farruinn> dabi: what about language-pack-fi
[01:36] <rvalles> LinuxJones: so the idea is that gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 are the gccs I have installed
[01:36] <dabi> farruinn: installed
[01:36] <rvalles> LinuxJones: and the "gcc" package itself is a "wrapper" or something
[01:36] <medwards_> Is there a boot parameter I can use to modprobe ext3 before casper runs?
[01:37] <dabi> farruinn: i also tried reinstalling these..
[01:37] <rvalles> LinuxJones: but... how do I use the wrapper?
[01:37] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess it honors "CC"
[01:37] <ephemeral> woah, i just smoked my Warty, trying to get to Hoary
[01:37] <rvalles> LinuxJones: but isn't there a command or something to handle all that?
[01:37] <LinuxJones> mdz, jdub, you guys around ??
[01:38] <mdz> LinuxJones: ?
[01:38] <LinuxJones> rvalles, yeah CC is the variable that calls the correct gcc version
[01:38] <MeHere> i couldn't find a channel named #kubuntu
[01:38] <MeHere> where is it
[01:38] <mdz> MeHere: it's there, /join #kubuntu
[01:38] <geneo93> ephemeral:  can you finish update from terminal
[01:38] <LinuxJones> mdz, sorry there was a spamming troll here a minute ago I was hoping you would kick :(
[01:39] <MeHere> it's empty
[01:39] <ephemeral> what?
[01:39] <mdz> MeHere: there are 42 people there including me
[01:39] <geneo93> MeHere:  /joinkubuntu
[01:39] <ephemeral> geneo, i logged in and and everything was blank, except there was a terminal in the top left
[01:39] <geneo93> space in there
[01:39] <rvalles> LinuxJones: ok, how do I set it system-wide so that it resist boots and all
[01:39] <rvalles> LinuxJones: or, in other words, how do I do it the ubuntu way?
[01:40] <rvalles> LinuxJones: since I can do it the ugly way without much help
[01:40] <geneo93> ephemeral:  thats good do a sudo apt-get dist update
[01:40] <LinuxJones> rvalles, you should be able to set it in your users .bashrc file
[01:40] <rvalles> LinuxJones: yeah, that would be an option
[01:40] <ephemeral> oh? that was supposed to happen?
[01:40] <e-motion> does anyone know possible ways to insdtall ubuntu from the Live CD
[01:40] <geneo93> upgrade i mean
[01:40] <shmoolik> can i make a sourt cut to a folder on my DeskTop?
[01:41] <LinuxJones> e-motion, not that I know of :(
[01:41] <Fackamato> How do I change the language in gnome?
[01:41] <dabi> hmm any ideas how can i change my ubuntu language back to finnish? i downloaded the packages but when trying to change it from gdm it says fi_FI utf-8 not found and changes it to english
[01:41] <P229> in array 7, changing the them while Synaptic is downloading updates causes Synaptic to exit/crash
[01:41] <P229> the theme*
[01:41] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, sure right click "create launcher" under type select directory
[01:41] <dabi> hmm mayby ill go to forums
[01:41] <e-motion> linuxJones: hmmm why does the Live CD Load perfectly then, and The install CD fails ... hmppf
[01:41] <MeHere> shmoolik: you can make a launcher to browse that folder i think
[01:42] <farruinn> dabi: I'm not sure I fully understand the new language pack system, but have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> e-motion, you have the same version for both ?
[01:42] <tsaphah> Does the warty install detect that I have windows installed and provide an option to dual boot automatically or will I be needing to edit grub/lilo myself?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> e-motion, you might have a warty install disk and Hoary live CD ?
[01:43] <e-motion> LinuxJones: yes part of the install pack 4.10
[01:43] <jharrison> are there any bugs in terms of font packages?
[01:43] <farruinn> tsaphah: afaik you have to modify the grup config
[01:43] <MeHere> LinuxJones
[01:43] <rvalles> LinuxJones: CC=gcc34 gcc --version
[01:43] <e-motion> LinuxJones: I installed the System from the Same disk on an other Hardware perfectly
[01:43] <LinuxJones> tsaphah, it should find it but I would install the latest hoary version. It is going to be the stable version in 2 weeks
[01:43] <MeHere> can we chat?
[01:43] <rvalles> LinuxJones: still throws 3.3.4 :O
[01:44] <rvalles> LinuxJones: what's the problem with "gcc"? (!)
[01:44] <tsaphah> LinuxJones: *chuckles* k
[01:44] <LinuxJones> rvalles, if you search google you will find the answer I am getting loaded atm and am going to be useless in about 1/2 hour :)
[01:44] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess gcc doesn't honor CC at all
[01:44] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  MeHere  hum .... for some  resone when i put the path on the crate luncher box and then i m trying to run the luncher  i get a message that the command can't b run
[01:44] <rvalles> LinuxJones: after all...
[01:45] <LinuxJones> e-motion, this system is newer ?
[01:45] <P229> I wish distros would start rolling pktcdvd and udftools
[01:45] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, what command ?
[01:46] <shmoolik> "/media/phiczia/My Documents" fot e..g
[01:46] <e-motion> LinuxJones: yes THIS system with the problem is a Dell Latitude 800 Notebook, the system where It worked as a test was a P3 500MHZ IBM
[01:46] <shmoolik> "media/phiczia/My Documents" fot e..g
[01:46] <nekrataal> hello
[01:46] <regeya> alrright I give up...when I moved on to hoary, the trick I used to get my audio<->video sync working on mpeg2 output no longer works.  I GIVE UP.  it should not require research and a somewhat-good knowledge of how such video works to burn home movies to dvd. :-P
[01:46] <P229> nekrataal, hi
[01:46] <nekrataal> a little question...how can i add some launcher to the gnome menu on ubuntu hoary?
[01:47] <farruinn> nekrataal: there is no built in way to do it yet
[01:47] <LinuxJones> e-motion, the Hoary install cd has lots of bug fixes ans is much nicer compared to the Warty install cd. Are you able to download the latest Hoary install cd ?
[01:47] <e-motion> LinuxJones: maybe its the Grub Loader which fails .. hm
[01:47] <nekrataal> so i cant?
[01:47] <e-motion> LinuxJones: yes .. no prob
[01:47] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, to a directory ?
[01:48] <farruinn> nekrataal: have have been a few people who have put together some tools to do it, one sec...
[01:48] <e-motion> LinuxJones: is it Different to the 4.10
[01:48] <dabi> oh kwl back in finnish ;)
[01:48] <LinuxJones> e-motion, try that dude you might be ok but laptops can sometimes be problamatic
[01:48] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah
[01:48] <jharrison> when typing in passwords and such usually there are black circles in the password field as you type in the password but now there are squares with weird codes in them.
[01:48] <jharrison> anyone know what the deal is with that?
[01:49] <farruinn> nekrataal: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673 is one, I've added a couple of items to my menus, it seems to work
[01:49] <shmoolik> nekrataal,  just "nautilus <section on menu>:///" and then create a luncher
[01:49] <MeHere> guys how do i make my current user superuser?
[01:49] <shmoolik> nekrataal,  don't for get to restart gnome
[01:49] <[FiDO] > can anyone help me wih configuring lirc to work with my tv card
[01:49] <e-motion> LinuxJones: ok Downlading wartyWardog and try .. thanks
[01:49] <Blissex> MeHere: 'man su' or 'man sudo'
[01:49] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, ok in the window give it a name, under Type select Directory from the dropdown list, click browse and locate the directy then click ok.
[01:49] <farruinn> jharrison: that's completely normal for linux shell logins =)
[01:50] <farruinn> shmoolik: hoary
[01:50] <jharrison> farruinn: but this is system wide
[01:50] <farruinn> jharrison: in gdm as well?
[01:50] <Blissex> MeHere: those are the correct approaches.
[01:50] <jharrison> farruinn: for example logging into gaim etc...
[01:50] <geneo93> MeHere:  you dont want too
[01:50] <DrunkenBug> can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:50] <LinuxJones> e-motion, you should download the Hoary installer :)
[01:50] <LinuxJones> cd
[01:50] <nekrataal> ok, thanks guys, ill check that out..
[01:50] <farruinn> jharrison: do you have a non-standard font set as default?
[01:50] <Zenum> hey, im having a problem with my wireless card, where as soon as I enable the restricted key with iwconfig my computer just slows down heaps, and the events/0 process uses 95% of my processor...
[01:50] <ells> LinuxJones, I am talking to you via my hoary desktop, it worked
[01:50] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  that what i have done =\
[01:51] <Zenum> has anyone had this problem before?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> ells, sweet :)
[01:51] <P229> does the sound recorder work for anyone?
[01:51] <e-motion> LinuxJones: ok @ Hoary
[01:51] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, that's impossible :)
[01:51] <ells> LinuxJones, just tweaking it now
[01:51] <DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> ells, good stuff
[01:51] <jharrison> farruinn: maybe
[01:51] <P229> is it just me, or does the sound recorder not work at all?
[01:51] <jharrison> farruinn: this is a friend of mine
[01:51] <ells> LinuxJones, the hoary preview install seems very intuitive
[01:51] <jharrison> farruinn: he does not speak that great of english
[01:52] <ells> LinuxJones, as far as upgrades and such
[01:52] <nictuku> is request-tracker3 dependencies broken in warty?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ells, it is very nice can't wait for the GUI installer mmmmm
[01:52] <nictuku> *are
[01:52] <tsume> hmm
[01:52] <jharrison> farruinn: I will upload some screenshots to my website so you can see what we mean
[01:52] <DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:52] <ells> LinuxJoes, easier than warty in my opinion
[01:52] <tsume> who updates the debs for hoary?
[01:52] <farruinn> jharrison: ok
[01:52] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  i can show ya ... when i press browse i can't select a foder so i type it on the command section
[01:52] <ells> LinuxJones, so far....time will tell ya know
[01:52] <Zenum> has anyone had problems where wireless network slows down your computer when you put on encryption?
[01:53] <farruinn> tsume: erm, the developers =)
[01:53] <rvalles> hey
[01:53] <tsume> and why is the OLD nvidia driver in the dev?
[01:53] <rvalles> I have
[01:53] <rvalles> - gcc
[01:53] <rvalles> - gcc-3.4
[01:53] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, why can't you browse to the folder ?
[01:53] <ells> Zenum: not really, i run it on my laptop
[01:53] <rvalles> I used to have, too
[01:53] <rvalles> - gcc-3.3
[01:53] <memcmeme> how d I make ubuntu let me log into a session as root?
[01:53] <rvalles> removed gcc-3.3
[01:53] <memcmeme> it wont let me
[01:53] <farruinn> memcmeme: sudo -s
[01:53] <rvalles> and now "gcc" throws a command not found
[01:53] <jharrison> farruinn: http://linuxbs.org/public/screenshot1.png
[01:53] <memcmeme> where?
[01:53] <farruinn> memcmeme: oh, don't log into a graphical session as root, that's a bad idea
[01:54] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  cuse when i do i must select a file to aprove the "ok" butten
[01:54] <farruinn> memcmeme: it can really screw your system.  If you need to use nautilus as root I thin kthere's an option in the menu
[01:54] <memcmeme> I need to use Konqeror as root
[01:54] <geneo93> farruinn:  you have any idea on that java problem i have
[01:54] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  the "open" butten
[01:54] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, you have to select "directory" from the Type dropdown list
[01:54] <DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:54] <shmoolik> LinuxJones, thats the 1st thing i have done
[01:55] <jharrison> farruinn: my friend uses the portuguese fonts and language
[01:55] <farruinn> geneo93: sorry I don't remember what the problem was
[01:55] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, you on warty ?
[01:55] <farruinn> jharrison: checking it out...
[01:55] <jharrison> farruinn: thanks
[01:55] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  no i m hoary
[01:55] <dabi> how can i run a command before gdm starts or at same time?
[01:55] <memcmeme> does anyone know how to use konqueror as root?
[01:55] <geneo93> farruinn:  i'll paste to you
[01:55] <e-motion> LinuxJones:  is it that one you mean ?   hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso
[01:55] <rvalles> I'm tired :(
[01:55] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, something is messed up dude I can do it fine ?|?|
[01:56] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess Ubuntu doesn't make sense after all
[01:56] <LinuxJones> e-motion, yeah
[01:56] <rvalles> I'm happy that I'm not the one using ubuntu, tho
[01:56] <rvalles> (I run gentoo)
[01:56] <e-motion> LinuxJones: ok thanks
[01:56] <xigle1> a few days ago, I installed hoary preview. I added the right repositories and was able to install gstreamer, xmms, mplayer, xine etc. But now I reinstalled ubuntu and am getting a lot of error message when I try to install theese programs. Talking about all kinds of packages that's "not installable" and "have unmet dependencies". Any ideas?
[01:56] <rvalles> I'm trying to help a friend who doesn't speak english
[01:56] <shmoolik> hum.... okey then i think that i will just wait for the upgrade then LinuxJones
[01:56] <rvalles> poor guy
[01:56] <LinuxJones> e-motion, :)
[01:56] <ells> rvalles, ubuntu works great for most
[01:56] <DrunkenBug> hello,anyone know why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, that's wierd it should work just fine
[01:57] <farruinn> jharrison: if you're using sudo it won't show up.  I don't see in that screenshot where you're entering a password
[01:57] <jharrison> farruinn: well it doesnt seem to be the password fields
[01:57] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  donno ....  i m not such a newbe though i m a biggner and a very bad English specker =\
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: it does I mean but the screenshots he sent is of other things
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: I used to think so
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: for example the buddy list on gaim
[01:58] <farruinn> jharrison: hehe, I see :)
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: but... if the "gcc" package is a wrapper
[01:58] <ells> rvalles, i use it my desktop and laptop. works great with wireless
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: http://linuxbs.org/public/screenshot2.png
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: there is another one
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: where is its documentation?
[01:58] <xigle1> if no one have any ideas I guess I'll go to bed ... nite
[01:58] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, so your right clicking on the desktop and selecting "Create Launcher" ?
[01:58] <ells> rvalles, can tell a lie,  not sure
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: bear with me as I am trying to figure out from him what the problem exactly is
[01:58] <helio1> using the gnome-printer interface I'm using (smb://guest:@Langston_6/epson) to try and send jobs to a windows connected printer...error says it can't connect to samba host! help?
[01:58] <rvalles> ells: how am I supposed to know how it does work, without documentation?
[01:58] <jharrison> farruinn: I dont speak portuguese :)
[01:59] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah :)
[01:59] <farruinn> jharrison: heheh, neither do I so good luck =)
[01:59] <rvalles> ells: not even in the website, gives me the creeps.
[01:59] <ells> rvalles, which part are you asking about
[01:59] <jharrison> farruinn: I might have found a translator
[01:59] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, have you updated your system since installing ?
[01:59] <rvalles> ells: "gcc" is a wrapper. I want to know how to set up this wrapper
[01:59] <ells> rvalles, have you tried the unofficial site
[01:59] <Blissex> rvalles: look for the 'spec' file for GCC.
[01:59] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah today
[01:59] <radiodurans> what would you use ubuntu instead of debian?
[01:59] <rvalles> ells: see, I have gcc-3.4 installed. I used to have gcc-3.3 too, I've just removed it.
[01:59] <radiodurans> what = why
[02:00] <rvalles> ells: but "gcc" gives me a /usr/bin/gcc: command not found
[02:00] <DrunkenBug> hello, anyone know why it isnt configuring my network at install?
[02:00] <shmoolik>  LinuxJones  it fixed lots of problems i had ...
[02:00] <rfauth> good evening
[02:00] <rvalles> ells: gcc-3.4 exists.
[02:00] <medwards_> xigle1: universe missing from your sources.list?
[02:00] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, not quite enough :)
[02:00] <ells> If the question cant be found in here, you can go to the unofficial ubuntu site. really awesome setup faq
[02:00] <rvalles> ells: problem is... how do I make the ubuntu gcc wrapper see it?
[02:01] <ells> rvalles, really not my strong point, sorry
[02:01] <rvalles> it's simple stuff, I really don't get it
[02:01] <rvalles> you people never use gcc at all?
[02:01] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah, it appers .... though i m quite happy with this disro
[02:01] <ells> rvalles, you could send  a report through ubuntu on your issue
[02:01] <Rocha> Hello, for the developers here...
[02:01] <medwards_> Anyone run into hald timeouts when a USB stick was in during boot?
[02:01] <Rocha> ...what graphical cvs tool do you recommend me?
[02:01] <ells> rvalles, they are really responsive if it cannot be answered in here
[02:01] <shmoolik> i didn't had any need to move back to windows and i don't think i will have a resone too LinuxJones
[02:01] <treke> mdz: What is the update policy for the for the universe repository? The sources.list file says that there are no updates, but the package archive seems to have a section for them
[02:02] <memcmeme> hello
[02:02] <memcmeme> I am now in Gnome
[02:02] <ells> Does anyone have answer that can help rvalles
[02:02] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  though i do have problem with the sound on majesty =\
[02:02] <memcmeme> where is the option to use the windows browser as root
[02:02] <dabi> what do i have to do so numlock activates with gdm? i installed numlockx with synaptic but dont know how to activate it..
[02:02] <inphlict> Hey how do I get avi files to play?
[02:02] <memcmeme> I need to move some stuff around and the it keeps insisting I don't have permissions
[02:02] <helio1> What does "Unable to Connect to Samba host" mean in a printer error?  I can browse the windows box fine via samba but NO printing no matter what I do....
[02:02] <shmoolik> and Quake is not running =\\\\\\\
[02:02] <rvalles> I also tried reinstalling "gcc-3.4"
[02:02] <inphlict> Which codec do I need to install, someone help pls
[02:02] <rvalles> but no luck
[02:02] <ells> LinuxJones: can you help rvalles
[02:02] <rvalles> it doesn't make "the wrapper" see it...
[02:03] <ells> rvalles, we will get help
[02:03] <mdz> treke: updates to universe, in the stable branch, are made on a volunteer/time-available basis
[02:03] <treke> mdz: Ah thanks. That clears it up.
[02:03] <inphlict> Does anyone know what i need to install to get avi files to work
[02:03] <treke> Been trying to decide whether to go woody or ubuntu on a machine
[02:03] <farruinn> rvalles: gcc is going to depend on gcc-3.3 thus it's going to symlink /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3...
[02:03] <ells> all points bulletin, can anyone help with rvalles' issue
[02:04] <jharrison> farruinn: ok
[02:04] <inphlict> guys how the hell do I get avi files to work
[02:04] <inphlict> pls
[02:04] <memcmeme> this is drivin me nuts, I log out, it says i cannot login to Gnome as root, and but I want to move stuff around using the WM
[02:04] <memcmeme> is there a way?
[02:04] <ells> farruinn,  thanks man
[02:04] <shmoolik> okay ppl i m off to bad
[02:04] <rvalles> farruinn: :)
[02:04] <shmoolik> nighty night
[02:05] <shmoolik> LinuxJones,  thank man
[02:05] <jharrison> farruinn: from what was translated it seems that when he enters text in a password field weird characters appear and also you can see these characters in the buddy list and the character map in the screenshots
[02:05] <shmoolik>  
[02:05] <jharrison> farruinn: seems to be some kind of localization problem
[02:05] <rvalles> farruinn: /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist
[02:05] <rvalles> farruinn: as a link or as anything else; it just doesn't exist.
[02:05] <dabi> what do i have to do so numlock activates with gdm? i installed numlockx with synaptic but dont know how to activate it..
[02:05] <_mepis_lover> w32codecs
[02:05] <_mepis_lover> apt-get install w32codecs
[02:06] <LinuxJones> shmoolik, :)
[02:06] <farruinn> jharrison: ooh, yes I see that
[02:06] <tsume> so..
[02:06] <treke> I suppose the ubuntu updates situation won't be nearly as bad as trying to deal with backports for woody :)
[02:06] <Fackamato> rvalles: apt-get install build-essential
[02:06] <tsume> are any developers here?
[02:06] <Rocha> Does anyone know if mono 1.1.4 will be available for ubuntu hoary?
[02:06] <jharrison> farruinn: any ideas
[02:07] <_mepis_lover> what player inphlict
[02:07] <tsume> to explain why the newer nvidia module isn't in the archive?
[02:07] <rvalles> Fackamato: I have that installed, but not gcc-3.3
[02:07] <rvalles> Fackamato: nor I want it, either.
[02:07] <jharrison> farruinn: they are still talking in portuguese so I wait for more info translated to english
[02:07] <audioslav> does anyone know if the kubuntu desktop has an applet like the software updates applet in hoary's gnome?
[02:07] <inphlict> totem
[02:07] <farruinn> jharrison: is this a fresh install of hoary or warty?  upgrade to hoary?
[02:07] <inphlict> I installed w32codecs and another I forget the name
[02:07] <inphlict> from the unoffical guide
[02:08] <inphlict> I have universes on and all the other stuff
[02:08] <LinuxJones> rvalles, you will get an answer in #ubuntu-devel
[02:08] <inphlict> which codec do I need to play divx/avi
[02:08] <rvalles> LinuxJones: I'll go check
[02:08] <_mepis_lover> avifile-win32-plugin
[02:08] <inphlict> okay i'll try it
[02:08] <_mepis_lover> i dont know if thats it
[02:08] <memcmeme> Is it even possible to log into Gnome as root?
[02:08] <helio1> I'm pasting a SAMBA/print to windows error in #flood if anyone has a sec to decipher it for me I would be indebted...
[02:09] <memcmeme> this is absurd
[02:09] <farruinn> rvalles: you can make the symlink yourself
[02:09] <inphlict> yeah it is mem
[02:09] <inphlict> go read the forums
[02:09] <audioslav> you have to enable root's login to do that memcmeme
[02:09] <jharrison> farruinn: he copied over fonts from other linux installs to /usr/share/fonts/ttf
[02:09] <memcmeme> how I looked on linuxforums and a lot of people were not able to
[02:09] <memcmeme> but I did not find the answer
[02:09] <inphlict> no such package ;/
[02:10] <jharrison> farruinn: prob didn't alter xorg.conf plus ubuntu likes to use gnome referenced fonts aka ~.fonts folder
[02:10] <rvalles> farruinn: it wont be useful
[02:10] <slurpas> Hello! how do i disable my firewall?
[02:10] <jharrison> farruinn: he needs to alter his X files to get fonts a working
[02:10] <farruinn> jharrison: yeah,I was going to say he should have put them in ~/.fonts
[02:10] <memcmeme> be right back
[02:10] <thenuke> slurpas:  :o does ubuntu have firewall?
[02:11] <jharrison> farruinn: ok I will relay the message
[02:11] <_mepis_lover> apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:11] <thenuke> slurpas: at least warty did not have it when I installed it
[02:11] <slurpas> thenuke.. i think so?
[02:11] <farruinn> jharrison: ask him to use a different font
[02:11] <farruinn> farruinn: like freesans or something
[02:11] <jharrison> farruinn: ok
[02:11] <slurpas> thenuke, ok... maby its something else.. but i cant connect to a program on my linux-comp.. i just reinstalled it and have configurated it as before..
[02:12] <helio1> slurpas: / thenuke firestarter is one easy firewall you can install on warty, there is no firewall installed/enabled by default...  if you have firestarter, you can access it via the System configuration menu
[02:12] <audioslav> does anyone else feel like all the new cool system config applets are in the gnome desktop and not in kubuntu?
[02:12] <slurpas> but then i had fedora core 3 with firewall.. who i needed to disable to connect..
[02:12] <jharrison> farruinn: he is using hoary preview 5.04
[02:12] <slurpas> helio1, how?
[02:12] <farruinn> rvalles: why not?
[02:13] <farruinn> jharrison: if he is having the problem with default ubuntu fonts then it should be reported but if the problem is with user installed fonts then I'm not sure...
[02:13] <jharrison> farruinn: ok
[02:13] <helio1> I have firestarter on one Ubuntu system and it's configurable as menu item under Computer>System Configuration
[02:13] <slurpas> oki thx :)
[02:13] <Amaranth> rvalles: hey
[02:13] <rvalles> Amaranth: hi
[02:13] <helio1> If you didn't install a firewall, I suspect that's not the problem.
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: well, it's turning me crazy
[02:14] <Amaranth> rvalles: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: I can do that, yeah
[02:14] <jharrison> farruinn: appears to be user installed fonts
[02:14] <memcmeme> ok
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: but that's definitivelly NOT the way.
[02:14] <memcmeme> it didn't wok
[02:14] <Amaranth> rvalles: yes it is
[02:14] <jharrison> farruinn: so I dont think a bug report would be warrented
[02:14] <memcmeme> work*
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: and I want to know the way; the ubuntu way, that is.
[02:14] <Amaranth> rvalles: you removed gcc3.3, it removed the symlink
[02:14] <memcmeme> I have never heard of a Linux distro that doesn't set up a root password by default
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: let's see a thing
[02:14] <jharrison> farruinn: if ubuntu's bts is anything like debian anyways
[02:14] <memcmeme> I dont een have one
[02:14] <slurpas> okai! thx anyway.. need to chech my router also..
[02:14] <memcmeme> even
[02:14] <rvalles> Amaranth: why if I do a "kk" I get a bash: kk: command not found
[02:15] <memcmeme> its just my normal password
[02:15] <Amaranth> rvalles: because kk doesn't exist?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: and if I do a gcc I get a bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[02:15] <memcmeme> it never asked me to create one
[02:15] <audioslav> at the end of the day, is there any difference in installing warty and apting to hoary or installing hoary preview?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: ?
[02:15] <farruinn> jharrison: agreed
[02:15] <Amaranth> rvalles: translation?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: why does the error say /usr/bin/gcc?
[02:15] <rvalles> Amaranth: translation is, file or dir doesn't exist
[02:15] <farruinn> jharrison: the free* fonts have all the latin characters, he must have been using a font that wasn't complete
[02:15] <Amaranth> because the symlink is there, gcc3.3 isn't
[02:16] <Amaranth> sudo rm /usr/bin/gcc
[02:16] <rvalles> Amaranth: but the symlink isn't
[02:16] <Amaranth> then sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[02:16] <rvalles> Amaranth: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc gives a file not found
[02:16] <Amaranth> rvalles: sounds like you seriously broke things
[02:16] <Amaranth> rvalles: just create the symlink
[02:16] <jharrison> farruinn: sounds right to me
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: I could, easily
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: yet...
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: I have an unanswered question
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: which is...
[02:17] <Amaranth> rvalles: there is no "ubuntu way" when you intentionally break things
[02:17] <Amaranth> rvalles: my answer is don't worry about it :P
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: why if I type "kk" I get that error
[02:17] <rvalles> Amaranth: and if I type "gcc" I get that OTHER error, with the full path on it, even?
[02:18] <helio1> If anyone has any experience with printing via SAMBA to Windows, please help; i'm after hours in a classroom that's not mine, helping someone else and very frustrated that I can't get a test page to print to a Windows connected printer from Ubuntu
[02:18] <treke> rvalles: you get that error because kk is not in the path
[02:18] <treke> gcc is apparantly in your path somewhere
[02:18] <rvalles> treke: I thought that much
[02:18] <treke> which `gcc` may tell you where
[02:18] <Amaranth> rvalles: bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No such file or directory
[02:18] <treke> which 'gcc'
[02:19] <Amaranth> rvalles: i get that when the symlink exists but the thing it points to doesn't
[02:19] <rvalles> treke: file or dir doesn't exist
[02:19] <navreet> hi, what software should I use to burn .bin/cue files?
[02:19] <rvalles> treke: doing which `gcc`
[02:20] <treke> dont do that :
[02:20] <treke> do which 'gcc'
[02:20] <Amaranth> navreet: downloading movies, are we? :)
[02:20] <rvalles> treke: I guess "which gcc"
[02:20] <sirukin> cat filename >> /dev/cdrom0
[02:20] <Amaranth> navreet: you need bin2iso
[02:20] <sirukin> try it
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: the worst is that I'm doing this for a person who doesn't speak english
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: I'm telling him which commands to type and all, he pastes me the results
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: quite fun
[02:21] <rvalles> treke: which gcc returns nothing :O
[02:21] <dabi> how can i have numlock enabled when gdm boots? i have numlockx installed but dont know where to add the command :(
[02:22] <navreet> Amaranth, any gui?
[02:22] <farruinn> rvalles: why don't you ssh to his system? ;)
[02:22] <Amaranth> navreet: not that i'm aware of
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: I'll do that, eventually
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: but I want to avoid doing that.
[02:22] <treke> rvalles: if your taking what we say and translating it to him and translating his answer back, I suspect we'll never find a solution :)
[02:22] <LinuxJones> dabi, gnome-sesssion-properties under startup programs
[02:22] <treke> too many links in the chain
[02:22] <helio1> navreet I think K3b will do it
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: If I ssh and do everything... ;)
[02:22] <rvalles> farruinn: the guy won't be able to do it himself ever.
[02:23] <rvalles> farruinn: and I'll be working as an admin for him forever or till I grow tired
[02:23] <rvalles> farruinn: I'm just trying to avoid that by not sshing into his box.
[02:23] <dabi> LinuxJones: hmm mayby i should google first.. :P first hit from google: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16891 tseh.. ty anyway.. srry :P
[02:23] <LinuxJones> dabi, :)
[02:23] <gfxstyler> hey again :)
[02:24] <ells> has anyone notices if one of the ubuntu sources is down
[02:24] <gfxstyler> ells: really? i checked synaptic for 30 minutes and it didnt complain about any errors
[02:24] <farruinn> LinuxJones: just having numlockx installed does it for me...
[02:25] <farruinn> ells: I just updated fine, maybe it's your mirror
[02:25] <rvalles> farruinn: my conclusion is that the different errors are probably linked to some sort of cache...
[02:25] <rvalles> farruinn: which bash does internally have
[02:25] <gfxstyler> is there another way of speeding up cdrom than hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom ?
[02:25] <rvalles> I'll do some tests on that on my own box later; I just want to be sure.
[02:25] <rvalles> (I have it when I don't have the absolute control :D)
[02:25] <ells> something about http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-sceurity/restricted Sources not available
[02:26] <rvalles> *hate
[02:26] <helio1> oh well, THREE hours troublshooting samba printing to windows and I'm no closer than when I started... I guess I'm giving up for the day now;
[02:26] <goodoldunclemike> ?..i set my network up with samba...i open up network servers...i can see the drive partition that i a shareing with windows...but it shows empty..so i did a share on each folder..and it still shows empty
[02:26] <ells> faruinn: something about http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-sceurity/restricted Sources not available
[02:26] <gfxstyler> & why does alsa not work when esd is running?
[02:26] <farruinn> rvalles: :)
[02:26] <LinuxJones> farruinn, I don't even have it installed, I was just trying to help someone else :D
[02:26] <farruinn> LinuxJones: yeah, just an fyi if your here when he comes back
[02:26] <geneo91> farruinn:  sorry i crashed this thing
[02:27] <farruinn> geneo91: oh no :(
[02:27] <geneo91> yep lost all my info
[02:27] <geneo91> where did that point
[02:27] <farruinn> ells: if you copy-pasted that it'd be because security isn't spelled correctly...
[02:28] <^thehatsrule^> may i ask which fs i should use to install to?
[02:28] <farruinn> geneo91: sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[02:28] <farruinn> geneo91: and sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm /usr/bin/java_vm
[02:28] <ells> naw, typed over from other computer
[02:29] <geneo91> ln: `/usr/bin/java': File exists
[02:29] <dabi> hmm i dont get it.. i see 243 updates available but after i install i still see 243.. :S rare..
[02:29] <farruinn> ells: Hit ... hoary-security/restricted Sources
[02:29] <geneo91> ln: `/usr/bin/java_vm': File exists  on both
[02:29] <joh> Is it possible to cache all packages from a repository?
[02:30] <farruinn> geneo91: I think that means the link already exists, check with ls -l /usr/bin/java_vm
[02:31] <geneo91> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 33 2005-02-09 02:54 /usr/bin/java_vm -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm
[02:33] <geneo91> leme see if i can irc azureus
[02:33] <farruinn> ok, that's good =)
[02:34] <geneo91> damn no such channel
[02:34] <helio1> What's the command to restart cupsd??
[02:35] <gremid> helio1, "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart"
[02:36] <geneo91> ok got it
[02:36] <helio1> ty gremid
[02:36] <CarlK_> I am doing a net install, and it is prompting for "Choose a mirror of the Ubuntu archive" - any idea what the URL is?
[02:37] <farruinn> geneo91: it's working?
[02:38] <helio1> I'll be damned; 3 hours later the window printer finally responds; now I can go home exhausted but victorious instead of exhausted and bitter lmao
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: got it fixed
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: thanks for your help
[02:38] <farruinn> jharrison: excellent, what was the solution?
[02:38] <helio1> thanks for listening to me complain about it
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: apparently he had transfered some windows fonts from an actual windows installation to ubuntu
[02:38] <jharrison> farruinn: and that had ill effects
[02:39] <farruinn> uh huh... :)
[02:39] <jharrison> farruinn: not sure why anyone would want windows fonts in linux but ohw ell
[02:39] <jharrison> farruinn: so he deleted the folder he had put them in and restarted X and it works fine now
[02:39] <farruinn> ah, well at least they didn't overwrite any fonts
[02:40] <navreet> hi, my computers starts acting slow (I think it's the IO) when I burn a CD... and I only burn at ~20x, when my burner is capable of 52x... I had PC3200 ram and an Opteron 148.. (it shouldn't be this slow)
[02:41] <navreet> my mp3 playback slows down... and I get a lot of static from xmms (kinda like it's dropping stuff)
[02:41] <Fackamato> jharrison: uh
[02:41] <Fackamato> of course you need MS fonts
[02:41] <Fackamato> some pages doesn't display proper otherwise.
[02:42] <Fackamato> navreet: is everything accelerated? use native alsa, hardware mixing, hardware acceleration on the graphics card with DRI using agpgart of the build-in agp driver in the kernel module
[02:43] <M_Fatih> hi all, i newly installed hoary
[02:43] <Fackamato> uhu
[02:44] <M_Fatih> i want to add mp3 support to rhythymbox, i searched in google this, i says, install gstreamer0.8-mad plug-in, but there isn't any packages like this.. no mad pachages..
[02:44] <navreet> Fackamato, yep
[02:44] <navreet> Fackamato, actually using nVidia stuff... but that's not the issue
[02:44] <Fackamato> using nvidia's driver from nvidia.com ?
[02:44] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you need to enable universe first
[02:44] <Fackamato> you get 2000+fps in glxgears etc?
[02:44] <Fackamato> navreet: what mainboard chipset
[02:45] <navreet> Fackamato, ..and the video isn't slow.. I have cycles to spare, it's the IO
[02:45] <M_Fatih> farruinn, how do i do it?
[02:45] <geneo91> well that was useless
[02:45] <navreet> Fackamato, it's not the graphics
[02:45] <Fackamato> navreet: yes it is
[02:45] <navreet> Fackamato, also 2000+ fps on glxgears doesn't mean anything
[02:45] <Fackamato> you haven't even said what video output you use
[02:45] <Fackamato> ..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
[02:45] <Fackamato> of fucking course it means anything
[02:45] <Fackamato> it means your glx acceleration works
[02:45] <navreet> Fackamato, it's accelerated, trust me... I write a lot of graphics stuff
[02:46] <M_Fatih> i don't know anything about ubuntu, only i liked & installed.. i didn't used debian or debian based distro.. only i used apt, too many time ago in suse..
[02:46] <navreet> and watch your language
[02:46] <Fackamato> well
[02:46] <Fackamato> navreet: you don't want to get help
[02:46] <farruinn> M_Fatih: sorry,  I wasn't in gnome atm
[02:46] <CarlK_> net install is doing this and "failing" (guessing no output is the problem) wget -q http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//dists/hoary/Release -O - | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2
[02:47] <navreet> Fackamato, my asking for help doesn't give you an excuse you to start using profane language
[02:47] <farruinn> M_Fatih: go to the System>Administration>Syanaptic Package Manager
[02:47] <M_Fatih> hm. ok
[02:47] <CarlK_> the wget does return the file (despite the //) but the grep doesnt return anyting
[02:47] <M_Fatih> i try to do it in console..
[02:48] <M_Fatih> why my sudo command sucks in root password
[02:48] <farruinn> M_Fatih: oh, you don't want to use synaptic from console
[02:48] <Fackamato> navreet: please
[02:48] <Fackamato> grow up
[02:48] <M_Fatih> i changed my root password but it returns wrong pass..
[02:48] <Fackamato> you don't give any info on your problem, and you tell people to fuck off when they try to help you
[02:48] <farruinn> M_Fatih: if you've set a root password you need to use su, not sudo
[02:49] <navreet> Fackamato, First I did not use that language, only you do... second, I told you it wasn't the graphics, it's the IO
[02:49] <DarthFrog> Or use your password, not the root password, with sudo.
[02:49] <M_Fatih> i did it, i'm changing to user root with su command.. but sudo command sucks..
[02:49] <farruinn> ok, that's fine...
[02:49] <Fackamato> navreet: I don't care if it's the IO, you haven't said anything about what graphic card you have, what drivers you use, what chipset you have, if you're using oss or alsa, what vidoe output you use, if X is accelerated, what codec the video uses, what player you're playing it in
[02:50] <brenden> the amd64 install torrent is broken
[02:50] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you need to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list, there are two lines that are commented out, it tells you which lines to uncomment
[02:50] <M_Fatih> hmm. looking..
[02:50] <navreet> Fackamato, you are not even reading what I say... I am not even trying to play a video or anything
[02:50] <navreet> Fackamato, I quote, "hi, my computers starts acting slow (I think it's the IO) when I burn a CD... and I only burn at ~20x, when my burner is capable of 52x... I had PC3200 ram and an Opteron 148.. (it shouldn't be this slow)"
[02:51] <navreet> Fackamato, If I were watching a dvd in mplayer or something, I'd understand, but I am not doing that
 Fackamato, ..and the video isn't slow.. I have cycles to spare, it's the IO
[02:51] <farruinn> M_Fatih: something like 'su nano /etc/apt/sources.list' would work
[02:51] <Fackamato> you still haven't answered my questions
[02:51] <M_Fatih> i changed all "deb... " lines to uncommented..
[02:51] <navreet> Fackamato, that's when you asked me about my graphics drivers... and I was referring to X refreshing
[02:51] <farruinn> M_Fatih: ok, then as root run apt-get update
[02:51] <DarthFrog> M_Fatih: Now do "apt-get update"
[02:52] <navreet> Fackamato, I am done burning the data... I gotta go
[02:52] <M_Fatih> i have a problem in "sudo". it not accept my root's password, why?
[02:52] <geneo91> farruinn:  they tell me i need runtime going
[02:52] <farruinn> M_Fatih: sudo uses your user password, su uses the root password
[02:53] <M_Fatih> ahh :(
[02:53] <farruinn> geneo91: as in jre?
[02:53] <M_Fatih> haha i don't know it..
[02:53] <geneo91> yes
[02:53] <yyc747> have I been misinformed, or will hoary have KDE?
[02:53] <DarthFrog> yyc747: I'm running it right now.
[02:53] <geneo91> java console
[02:53] <DarthFrog> yyc747: KDE 3.4
[02:53] <DarthFrog> yyc747: It's nice and crunchy.
[02:54] <farruinn> yyc747: there's even an install cd, link to preview release in /topic
[02:54] <phas> Hi, i have a question.Ubuntu insists on startup to try to load garbage like hotplug or RAID support, when my pre-jurassic matherboards do not support them.How can I prevent these modules to be loaded on startup?
[02:54] <yyc747> DarthFrog: ooooh... I'm on gentoo, so I think I'm going to wait on KDE 3.4 :)  but ubuntu could be my next distro of choice... and certainly will be my choice to convert people with
[02:55] <yyc747> is it just kubuntu with kde?
[02:55] <M_Fatih> E: Broken packages   ??
[02:55] <farruinn> kde is to kubuntu as gnome is to ubuntu
[02:55] <DarthFrog> yyc747: I really like Ubuntu.  I also have Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo and Linspire installed.  Kubuntu is going to be my desktop.
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> eek for kde
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[02:56] <M_Fatih> how can i upgrade a spesific package?
[02:56] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you probably just need to run 'apt-get upgrade'
[02:56] <DarthFrog> M_Fatih: use Synaptic.
[02:56] <apokryphos> M_Fatih: sudo apt-get install <certainpackage>
[02:56] <farruinn> yeah, synaptic will make your life easy
[02:56] <apokryphos> M_Fatih: sudo apt-get update first
[02:56] <M_Fatih> DarthFrog, ok
[02:56] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: You can do that from Synaptic.
[02:56] <M_Fatih> apokryphos, i did it..
[02:56] <username> in ubuntu, are there any screen-savers that consist of simply a clock?
[02:57] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: I know. :)
[02:57] <username> apart from the one called 'gltext (clock)' that is.
[02:57] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:57] <keffo> hm
[02:58] <keffo> anyone knows about any xchat -> xmms script.. just easy, nothing more than displaying what song currently playing?
[02:58] <M_Fatih> gstreamer0.8-mad:
[02:58] <M_Fatih>  Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[02:58] <M_Fatih>  Depends: libmad0 (>=0.15.1b) but it is not installable
[02:58] <^thehatsrule^> theres lots - just customize them?
[02:59] <username> lots of clock screensavers? I can't find any.
[03:00] <farruinn> lots of scripts I think
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> no i mean xchat xmms script
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:00] <phas> Hi, i have a question.Ubuntu insists on startup to try to load garbage like hotplug or RAID support, when my pre-jurassic matherboards do not support them.How can I prevent these modules to be loaded on startup?
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> i guess using any FileSystem is like using which DE
[03:01] <farruinn> phas: I think you need to look at update-rc.d, I don't know how to use it though so I can't walk you through it
[03:02] <fgx> phas, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:02] <fgx> phas, just add the module you dont want to be loaded at boot
[03:02] <johnf1911> isn't hotplug used to manage some non-hotplugable devices?
[03:07] <M_Fatih> Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable                    i searched libid3tag package.. no package, how can i fix this error...
[03:08] <M_Fatih> :-( ?
[03:09] <farruinn> libid3tag0, the trailing 0 is part of the package name
[03:09] <limaunion> having some troubles while upgrading to Hoary, apt-get update displays many errors while trying to fetch Packages.gz (404 Not found) any ideas what's going on ? I'm following the wiki steps...
[03:09] <M_Fatih> farruinn, i tried this "libid3tag"
[03:10] <M_Fatih> no package :(
[03:10] <M_Fatih> id3tag
[03:10] <apokryphos> limaunion: did you change all your sources.list?
[03:10] <conner> M_Fatih: are you running warthog or hedgehog?
[03:10] <farruinn> limaunion: get rid of any backports or hoary-updates repositories from your sources.list
[03:10] <M_Fatih> conner, hoarty
[03:10] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you're sure you've enabled universe? apt-get update had no problems?
[03:11] <M_Fatih> no problems :(
[03:11] <username> nothing I can do about the mountain of useless and ugly screensavers then, and no suitable clock one?
[03:11] <conner> M_Fatih: you should be able to apt-get install libid3tag0
[03:11] <ogra> M_Fatih, is your package list up to date ? libid3tag0 and libmad0 are in main....you should get them right away
[03:11] <conner> M_Fatih: let me try it on mine
[03:12] <limaunion> sure, I only have hoary references, three lines, taken from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[03:12] <_mepis_lover> i see kubuntu 5.04 preview is available
[03:12] <conner> M_Fatih: it worked for me. They appear to be in main. Try apt-get update first
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:12] <apokryphos> limaunion: could you www.pastebin.com the error output?
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> _mepis_lover haha
[03:12] <apokryphos> _mepis_lover: that's right :)
[03:12] <M_Fatih> it says :
[03:12] <M_Fatih> Package libid3tag0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:12] <M_Fatih> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:12] <M_Fatih> is only available from another source
[03:13] <username> never mind.
[03:13] <ogra> M_Fatih, did you fiddle with your sources.list ?
[03:13] <lunitik> M_Fatih: you need to activate universe
[03:13] <conner> M_Fatih: open a root terminal and type "apt-get update" then retry it.
[03:13] <M_Fatih> i did it.. 1min.
[03:13] <ogra> M_Fatih, looks like you disabled main
[03:13] <farruinn> lunitik: not for libid3tag0
[03:14] <_mepis_lover> thehatsrule: don't hate me 'cause I am from the wrong side of the tracks
[03:14] <limaunion> apokryphos: thanks for your help, now I just left 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted' and it's ok.
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> im not hating ;p
[03:14] <M_Fatih> http://pastebin.com/260017
[03:14] <M_Fatih> look this..
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> its just funny, cause i just ditched mepis
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> for ubuntu
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[03:14] <ogra> _mepis_lover, nah, we all love kubuntu ;) in fact there is array7 which is newer then preview
[03:14] <apokryphos> limaunion: alrighty :)
[03:14] <lunitik> farruinn: you sure thats not in universe? its from the mad folks...
[03:14] <ogra> lunitik, its in main
[03:14] <farruinn> lunitik: apt-cache show libid3tag0 | grep Section
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> no kubuntu cause of the K hehe
[03:15] <limaunion> apokryphos: will see what's going on because I started with synaptic and now can't start gnome (after upgrading from Warty)
[03:15] <ogra> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe though
[03:15] <ells> has anyone besides me installed hoary preview edition
[03:15] <lunitik> ogra: my bad then... heh
[03:15] <farruinn> ells: I have
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> ells, tis fine?
[03:15] <ells> farruinn, ,works god
[03:15] <apokryphos> limaunion: you're on hoary now? Was the dist-upgrade successful?
[03:16] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ install was easy, changed the sources
[03:16] <conner> M_Fatih: add this "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted"
[03:16] <farruinn> M_Fatih: you've disabled main man =), you've got to get rid of those #'s
[03:16] <farruinn> conner: he has it, it's commented out
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> heh, well is it like... fine to use i mean as well ;p
[03:17] <farruinn> M_Fatih: leave the lines with hoary-updates commented though
[03:17] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ works good, the install seemed very intuitive
[03:17] <conner> farruinn: he's in for one big download session.
[03:17] <_mepis_lover> thehatsrule: i will keep a light on for 'ya
[03:17] <M_Fatih> i'm tryin..
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> eek! but i want to install it using one of those nice cd's
[03:17] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ warty would not work on my desktop, this one does
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> really?
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> why?
[03:18] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ download and make your own, that is what I did
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> heh, its just that i downloaded the 2 v4 cds
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> today already
[03:18] <limaunion> apokryphos: yes, my notebook was till 2 hours ago, I updated my /etc/apt/ and made the update via Synaptic, going to the 'upgrade' section or something like that and selected all of them (all went ok), next I restarted the system but now it seems that some packages were left, apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be taken care of that
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ okay, I hear ya
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ used cd rw
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^to reuse if need be
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> yea, thats what i use ;p
[03:19] <M_Fatih> i don't know anything about apt, debian.. i newly installed, sorry for newbie suck questions :) i have no time, i need install apache + php + mysql quickly.. sorry..
[03:19] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ your good then
[03:19] <delltony> quick question if i want to backup my /var/www into a tar with bzip2  isn't it tar c /var/www/* | bzip2 >mysite.tar.bz ?
[03:19] <apokryphos> limaunion: in Terminal, try typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> designated linux cd - has currently held 3 os's before
[03:20] <conner> M_Fatih: no problem. Once you get that line uncommented, you'll be up and running in.
[03:20] <conner> M_Fatih: but you'll be downloading a LOT of updates the first time.
[03:20] <farruinn> M_Fatih: synaptic will allow you to search and select those packages quickly
[03:20] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ nice, ubuntu for me seems to be the most user friendly I have ever used
[03:20] <M_Fatih> yes it works :)
[03:20] <M_Fatih> thanks
[03:21] <conner> M_Fatih: are you looking at Apache2 or Apache1.3?
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> lol, well im not sure which one to use still
[03:21] <JDahl> I finally bit the bullet, and installed Ubuntu/Hoary instead of Debian/testing on my machine at work... It's absolutely amazing how everything works without any tweaking - now if only that was my home machine :P
[03:21] <M_Fatih> i'm a gentoo user, i bored with compile everything..
[03:21] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ I had debian on here before
[03:21] <M_Fatih> i trien gnome 2.10 @ ubuntu live.. i like so much..
[03:21] <ells> M-Fatih, welcome aboard
[03:21] <M_Fatih> thanks :)
[03:21] <limaunion> apokryphos: yes, I did that, now it's download mainly gstreamer packages and some others, don't now why Synaptic didn't updated those. fam is going to be removed, is that ok ?
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> heh - somehow everyone doesn't use the original debian?
[03:22] <ells> ^thehatsrule^ I went to the irc line and those folks were rude
[03:22] <ells> and immature
[03:22] <apokryphos> limaunion: yes, that's fine. Go for it.
[03:22] <conner> ^thehatsrule^: I use the original Debian on servers. It's rock solid and simple to update.
[03:22] <^thehatsrule^> hm...
[03:22] <limaunion> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> the problem is all the os's
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> dont know WHICH one to stick with
[03:23] <M_Fatih> conner, 2 or 1.3 no problem,, only i want php 4.3+ :)
[03:23] <farruinn> M_Fatih: apt is a really great package management tool, you'll get the hang of it in no time
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> cause every one of them has its goods
[03:23] <ogra> ^thehatsrule^, but only ubuntu has the ubuntu community ;)
[03:23] <ells> this might sound funny, is there any kind of eq program out there
[03:23] <conner> M_Fatih: you might want to stick with Apache1.3 then. You have to choose a specific branch of Apache2 for PHP to work securely.
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> equalizer?
[03:24] <lunitik> ^thehatsrule^: most people are leaving Debian because of the bad release cycle... Ubuntu just makes more sense for the Desktop User...
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> heh, no offense, but im more to the software first :P
[03:24] <M_Fatih> farruinn, yes i know, i used in suse so many times ago..
[03:24] <farruinn> M_Fatih: ah, I see
[03:25] <JDahl> lunitik, as a desktop user once you have Debian installed, you dont really need more releases... I chose Ubuntu over Debian because how nicely everything is configured
[03:25] <ells> does anyone know a good equalizer program for rhythmbox
[03:25] <^thehatsrule^> cant you use alsamix?
[03:25] <ells> ahhh, never tried
[03:25] <ells> guess I could
[03:25] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> if youre using KDE, use kmix?
[03:26] <ells> is it already preinstalled doyou know
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> yes, if you have alsa prolly ;p
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> or, you could find/locate *mix*
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[03:26] <lunitik> JDahl: true enough... I used Debian for 4 years without ever reinstalling on one box... but for new users, thats not acceptable... and the stigma for using Unstable is not popular...
[03:27] <zenwhen>  vcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
[03:27] <zenwhen> oops
[03:27] <ogra> kittikittikitti
[03:27] <farruinn> sticky key eh?
[03:27] <^thehatsrule^> well if either if i like ubuntu... or not, my next ones are slack,debian, then gentoo
[03:27] <DarthFrog> zenwhen: Geshundheit!
[03:27] <^thehatsrule^> but now, debian seems not a good choice
[03:28] <zenwhen> :'(
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> Geshundheit?
[03:28] <zenwhen> he may have thought i had sneezed
[03:29] <zenwhen> i think its a blessing
[03:29] <drspin> qtparted says that my disk is mounted but it's not...
[03:29] <^thehatsrule^> ah
[03:29] <ogra> yup, german
[03:29] <Fackamato> ,
[03:29] <^thehatsrule^> reboot? :P
[03:29] <drspin> what can i do?
[03:29] <zenwhen> when in all actuality i really just let my head hit the keyboard
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> type df or mount to double check?
[03:30] <drspin> ./dev/hda7             20160796  19119836     16840 100% /
[03:30] <drspin> tmpfs                   257896         0    257896   0% /dev/shm
[03:30] <fgx> here is my dmesg output after some beeps from my laptop: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000
[03:30] <drspin> I'm trying to delete hda5 (NTFS) and resize my ext3
[03:30] <fgx> what's that?
[03:30] <elcuco> how is called the application for recording flash "videos"?
[03:30] <limaunion> apokryphos: maybe you can help me, apt-get dist-upgrade finished ok, but I still can't start gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm start doesn't work (no errors, just nothing). dpkg -l | grep xorg shows only 1 package, and dpkg-l | grep -i xfree shows 3, one still version 4.3 (xserver), any idea...?
[03:31] <DarthFrog> drspin: Use cfdisk to delete the partition, then.
[03:31] <farruinn> limaunion: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[03:31] <^thehatsrule^> hmm odd... did you already modify something? because then you might have had to reboot
[03:31] <Fackamato> limaunion: what does the logs say?
[03:31] <farruinn> I *think* that will get the dependencies you need
[03:31] <ogra> limaunion, did you make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you upgraded ?
[03:32] <ogra> limaunion, its very important on upgrades
[03:32] <rizla> hello
[03:32] <fgx> ogra, is it safer to have all meta installed before a dist-upgrade?
[03:32] <apokryphos> limaunion: what farruinn said... also, does startx work?
[03:32] <rizla> can someone help me, lease?
[03:33] <JDahl> rizla, what's the problem?
[03:33] <ogra> fgx, yup....you can remove them later again...but thy make sure you gaet all the desired replacements
[03:33] <limaunion> ogra: no, i didn't installed that...
[03:33] <rizla> i've update to kubuntu...
[03:33] <rizla> i'd like to come back to restore gnome..
[03:33] <ogra> rizla, /join #kubuntu
[03:33] <apokryphos> limaunion: you should, then. It's a metapackage with all the dependencies.
[03:33] <ogra> rizla, oh
[03:33] <fgx> ogra, ok thx.
[03:33] <apokryphos> limaunion: or rather... depends on all the necessary stuff.
[03:34] <gratuit> does anyone know how to tell nautilus to not draw the background? I don't need icons and I'd rather just not have it run when gnome starts
[03:34] <fgx> ogra, what do you think about: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 in dmesg?
[03:34] <limaunion> apokryphos: but ogra says 'before' and here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes says after (now for me ;) )
[03:34] <apokryphos> limaunion: before is best
[03:34] <ogra> limaunion, it doesnt matter when ;)
[03:35] <apokryphos> ogra: well, surely you want to install it before a dist-upgrade?
[03:35] <ogra> limaunion, just have it there at some point in the upgrade process
[03:35] <apokryphos> ogra: or are you referring to before the updating of the sources?
[03:35] <farruinn> gratuit: if you can find the gconf key the command you want is nautilus --no-desktop
[03:36] <ogra> apokryphos, as i said, it doesnt matter, if you install it, it will care for the necessary replacements
[03:36] <apokryphos> Eek, oh yeah.
[03:36] <limaunion> ogra: ok, ...a lot of packages were left it seems, 126...
[03:36] <Fackamato> hm
[03:36] <Fackamato> how do I reinstlal gtk?
[03:37] <DarthFrog> Fackamato: Use Synaptic, search for gtk and mark it for re-installation.
[03:38] <Fackamato> doh
[03:38] <Fackamato> i'm used to the terminal
[03:38] <Fackamato> thakns
[03:38] <ogra> rizla,  removing libqt3c102 will remove everything that depends on it (KDE and friends) installing ubuntu-desktop will pull in all the gnome stuff again
[03:38] <farruinn> Fackamato: your gtk2-engines-* packages
[03:39] <geneo91> screw that channel you get kicked if you even paste two lines that even look the same
[03:39] <geneo91> azureus-users channel
[03:40] <farruinn> geneo91: still battling, eh?
[03:40] <lunitik> geneo91: why are you telling us?
[03:40] <geneo91> fucking ediots
[03:40] <geneo91> cause i cant tell them
[03:41] <geneo91> i got kicked 4 times
[03:41] <geneo91> azbot
[03:41] <ogra> geneo91, use #flood and point them there
[03:42] <apokryphos> or a pastebin service
[03:42] <geneo91> i not going to use it since they are such asshloe
[03:43] <_joey> is ubuntu good?
[03:43] <elcuco> where can i find vnc2swf for ubuntu? do i need to install it from debian unstable?
[03:43] <elcuco> _joey, no, it's a piece of crap, install XP.
[03:43] <geneo91> azureus sucks now
[03:43] <fgx> my laptop here is making a kind of funny concert :-) this is my dmesg: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 everyone is welcome to help me stopping the music :-)
[03:43] <_joey> elcuco you said it, troll:)
[03:43] <elcuco> _joey, nice question on a #ubuntu channel :)
[03:43] <DonL> joey, you ask that on this channel?
[03:44] <_joey> where else?
[03:44] <DonL> Personally, I think it rocks bigtime
[03:44] <DarthFrog> _joey: Good compared to what? To XP?  To Debian?  To green cheese?
[03:44] <elcuco> #mandrake for example...
[03:44] <geneo91> yeah use xp with out fire wall and 5 minutes you have every known virus
[03:44] <elcuco> geneo91, i got one on 30 secs on usage
[03:44] <_joey> hmm, I can tell this distro attracts trolls
[03:44] <_joey> :))
[03:45] <DonL> geneo91, lucky to get 30 seconds
[03:45] <DarthFrog> _joey: I think most of us here would say that Ubuntu is very good indeed.
[03:45] <DonL> lol
[03:45] <geneo91> DonL:  i have dial up so it takes longer
[03:45] <geneo91> hehe
[03:45] <elcuco> anyway... i am trying to add debian repository, and it tells me "The following signa                                           tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available". is this covered on some faq?
[03:46] <apokryphos> _joey: no distro is perfect for everyone. Ubuntu is very nice, for several reasons. See the site on some of these.
[03:46] <DarthFrog> elcuco: You can ignore that.
[03:46] <geneo91> elcuco:  is that for hoary
[03:46] <DarthFrog> elcuco: You probably got that from marilliat.
[03:46] <Fackamato> http://www.tehjunkyard.net/pics/emulation/rollcage_superbowl
[03:46] <M_Fatih> apt-get install apache + apt-get install php + apt-get install mysql  ??
[03:46] <Fackamato> anyone beat that?
[03:46] <Fackamato> no cheats
[03:46] <apokryphos> _joey: trolls are actually reasonably rare in here. Only experienced a few myself.
[03:46] <Fackamato> mysql-veser
[03:46] <beefsprocket> anyone having problems with inotify and 2.6.11?
[03:46] <DarthFrog> M_Fatih: Use && instead of +
[03:47] <elcuco> well, i cant ignore it. since the package i want is on debian
[03:47] <M_Fatih> noo not + :)
[03:47] <crimsun> beefsprocket: 2.6.11-0.2?
[03:47] <beefsprocket> hmm, not sure
[03:47] <beefsprocket> can't uname since it locks my system
[03:47] <beefsprocket> (the kernel that is)
[03:47] <DonL> _joey, this site is excellent
[03:47] <crimsun> beefsprocket: boot with "noinotify"
[03:47] <beefsprocket> tried that
[03:47] <beefsprocket> no good
[03:47] <hypa7ia> hey beefsprocket!
[03:47] <beefsprocket> hey!
[03:47] <beefsprocket> how goes?
[03:47] <beefsprocket> thought that might be you
[03:47] <crimsun> beefsprocket: then you should be using 2.6.10-28
[03:47] <hypa7ia> nabad, you?
[03:48] <beefsprocket> well, busy
[03:48] <beefsprocket> hmm, 2.6.10... having a hard time with lufs and sound card drivers
[03:48] <beefsprocket> so either way...
[03:48] <hypa7ia> beefsprocket: yup, on here the nick hypatia is taken
[03:48] <beefsprocket> hypatia: how's the lack of school treating you?
[03:49] <hypa7ia> beefsprocket: very well :-)
[03:49] <beefsprocket> lucky
[03:58] <drspin> OH NO!! could someone help me?
[03:58] <SysFail> OH NO!!
[03:58] <drspin> partioning - grub and whatnot
[03:59] <drspin> I booted off the Live CD so I could use fdisk to repartition my drive... I deleted my NTFS partion and wrote the new table... when I try and boot the system, Grub gives me "Error 22"
[04:01] <geneo91> driver numbers changed
[04:01] <geneo91> drive
[04:02] <Dillweed> hi all.  I was wondering if there was the possibility of getting an i686 release of ubunut?
[04:03] <geneo91> Dillweed:  you may allready have 686
[04:04] <Dillweed> i mean more that just the kernel
[04:04] <Dillweed> the whole system compiled for an i686 and not i386. (am I referring to this in the correct way)
[04:04] <geneo91> well the packages are configured to that
[04:05] <memcmeme> ahoy
[04:05] <Dillweed> are the packages compiled for an i386 or an i686?
[04:05] <SysFail> argh mateys
[04:05] <memcmeme> how is everyone here?
[04:05] <Dillweed> memcmeme, good and you?
[04:05] <geneo91> Dillweed:  just recompile them all or just get sources
[04:05] <zerovertex> argh yourself ya scurvey dog
[04:06] <Dillweed> geneo91, easier said than done, eh?  I've been trying to get apt-build to work but so far ubuntu repositories don't have the source list for downloads just the packages
[04:06] <SysFail> argh...we wants the redhead
[04:06] <geneo91> sure they do
[04:08] <Dillweed> how do I get the source packages with apt-get ?
[04:08] <memcmeme> I am doing just swell
[04:08] <geneo91> apt-get --help
[04:08] <crimsun> Dillweed: apt-get source <package>
[04:08] <DarthFrog> Dillweed: apt-get source
[04:08] <Dillweed> lol ok ok i get it.
[04:09] <drspin> geneo91, I don't understand how deleting hda6 would affect anything else on the drive... unless fdisk wrote a bad partiaion table... but then why would I be able to mount /dev/hda5 normally?
[04:10] <geneo91> drspin:  is your ubuntu install after hda6
[04:13] <Dillweed> my next question is does it really make a difference to have programs compile for i386 or i686?
[04:13] <memcmeme> I need some help
[04:14] <memcmeme> I am trying install UT2K3 Demo
[04:14] <memcmeme> its an executable, but it says it can't execute the binary
[04:14] <SysFail> chmod +x utk3
[04:14] <Dillweed> memcmeme, who's the owner of the binary?
[04:14] <SysFail> the filename
[04:14] <SysFail> chmod +x filenamehere
[04:14] <geneo91> use wine
[04:15] <SysFail> then itll execute
[04:15] <memcmeme> I am
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> sysfail hehe
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> will fail
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[04:15] <memcmeme> I am using the Linux demo
[04:15] <memcmeme> dude
[04:15] <memcmeme> I don't need wine for that
[04:15] <SysFail> I already did it
[04:15] <SysFail> the +x worked
[04:15] <geneo91> oh
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> whats +x ?
[04:16] <^thehatsrule^> execute?
[04:16] <SysFail> sets it to executable
[04:16] <SysFail> then you can do ./filenamehere
[04:16] <memcmeme> I know
[04:16] <memcmeme> that is exactly what i did
[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> WOW!
[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> fast boot for livecd :)
[04:17] <SysFail> speaking of boot
[04:17] <SysFail> synaptic just did a major upgrade
[04:17] <SysFail> brb
[04:18] <geneo91> mines slow no matter what i boot with 6 scsi drives
[04:18] <limaunion> Well I finally upgraded to Hoary, but after starting gnome I get a big dialog box 'error: failed to initialize HAL!', any idea what's going on ?
[04:19] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: are you sure you're running a 2.6 kernel?
[04:19] <limaunion> quinn_storm: yes, a self-compiled kernel (2.6.11) that worked ok with Warty
[04:19] <geneo91> limaunion:  you need to reboot
[04:19] <DanC_ub> btw... I switched to hoary a while ago; I did an apt-get upgrade tonight and it upgraded zillions of packages, but none of it seems visible. Is there anything new/cool that I could/should look for?
[04:20] <limaunion> geneo91: i already rebooted the system
[04:20] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: okay, is hald running?
[04:20] <memcmeme> anyone know why this bloody thing wont execute?
[04:20] <limaunion> Quinn_Storm: yes, it's running
[04:20] <geneo91> memcmeme:  try it in console
[04:21] <DanC_ub> hmm... osd, alsa, esd, polypaudio, jack... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DrainingTheLinuxAudioSwamp indeed!
[04:21] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: I don't know then, b/c if hald is running you shouldn't have any trouble...but I don 't use gnome so...nor have I ever had trouble with hal
[04:22] <keffo> hm, in my homedir i got 2 dirs i want to show on desk.. best way to do this? create a link and drag-n-drop to desk?
[04:22] <limaunion> Quinn_Storm: ok, thanks anyway, will see what can i do
[04:22] <keffo> the thing is, that little blue arrow annyos me
[04:22] <Quinn_Storm> limaunion: sorry I couldn't help more
[04:22] <memcmeme> geneo91 are you on #flood?
[04:22] <limaunion> Quinn_Storm: np
[04:24] <memcmeme> I posted the feedback of that on Flood
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> flood?
[04:24] <Dillweed> no one answered my question?  why is ubuntu only compiled for an i386?
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> no... its not
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> theres other architechtures as well
[04:24] <^thehatsrule^> check downloads mehtinks
[04:24] <Dillweed> i don't mean architechtures
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> huh?
[04:25] <Dillweed> why don't they compile for an i686 processor?
[04:25] <speel> Dillweed, well beacause its widley used
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> well in terms of i386... thats architechture
[04:25] <memcmeme> so what should I do?
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> oh, optimized for?
[04:25] <Dillweed> to take advange of the improvements in the i686?
[04:25] <Dillweed> optimized is a better word :)(
[04:25] <^thehatsrule^> i suppose you try using boot options, like to turn on mce and so forth
[04:26] <^thehatsrule^> since its debian based?
[04:26] <speel> Dillweed, well ubuntu is not aimed toward optimization :P
[04:26] <memcmeme> NEVERMIND, the bastard mirror said it was the Linux demo but its the bloody windows demo
[04:26] <memcmeme> sorry about that
[04:27] <Dillweed> speel, true, however, if ubuntu is mainly aimed at desktop users, wouldn't it be advangateous to optimize the system?
[04:27] <speel> Dillweed, well what if you have a low powerd cpu?
[04:27] <Quest-Master> Dillweed: You can just upgrade your kernel to 686 if needed
[04:28] <Dillweed> speel, not really, but the other software doesn't take advantage of the processor.
[04:28] <Dillweed> I did upgrade the kernel to i686
[04:28] <speel> Dillweed,  but with i386 it kinda covers all computers
[04:28] <Quest-Master> If we did that Dillweed, we'd leave out all the people with older computers.
[04:28] <Dillweed> speel, that I understand. but honestly how many people still have a 386
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Lots.
[04:29] <Dillweed> even the pentium pro's were 586
[04:29] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Especially ones that use Linux.
[04:29] <^thehatsrule^> stole me line!
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Because they can use Linux to put those old machines to good use.
[04:29] <speel> Dillweed, with them compiling it for 386 kinda just means every one can use it no matter what
[04:29] <Dillweed> lol, i know.  would it possible put out optimized builds?
[04:29] <JDahl> Dillweed, I think I read that Ubuntu devs are experimented with architecture optimized prebuild packages to see if it makes a difference
[04:30] <geneo91> if you like waiting a week for gui to load
[04:30] <speel> Dillweed, lol yea defently but i daught there worryed about archs right now
[04:31] <fgx> do you know if/when ubuntu will support floppy install?
[04:31] <Dillweed> speel, understandable.
[04:31] <speel> :)
[04:31] <Dillweed> I've been using (don't shoot me) gentoo for the past 1.5 years and really like the speed, but can't stand the compile times.
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^`> yay
[04:32] <limaunion> previously i reported that i was having some trouble while trying to update via apt-get, am i wrong or the example at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary is wrong ? i mean, doesn't need to be a / at the end of the repositories?
[04:32] <JDahl> Dillweed, but I guess that typical user tasks arent particularly CPU intensive... what kind of packages would you like to see optimized?
[04:32] <speel> fgx, i dont think they will , i personally never found a article about it
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^`> <-- on ubuntu :)
[04:32] <Dillweed> JDahl, well honestly all of them.  especially the frontend stuff.  gnome, firefox, etc.
[04:33] <fgx> speel, :-( don't know how to do install ubuntu from sarge floppy
[04:33] <Dillweed> it seems that the developers of the compilers should eliminate the optimizing code, because it seems no one is taking advantage of it.
[04:34] <JDahl> Dillweed, on a modern PC I find it hard to believe that optimizing those kind of packages makes a real difference, but I might be wrong... I use a lot of software for numerical analysis, and there arch optimization makes a huge difference
[04:34] <speel> hey any one knows if amd athlon xp is a k7?
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^`> how much ram should i need to run a livecd?
[04:34] <speel> ^thehatsrule^, i think 128 is minimum
[04:34] <geneo91> 128 min
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^`> Mem:    191664k total,   181296k used,    10368k free,     5708k buffers
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^`> cause that says i have 181mb used :<
[04:35] <Dillweed> JDahl, I agree with you.  I've noticed on my gentoo systems programs that were optimized for an athlon-xp in general load faster then in ubuntu.
[04:35] <Dillweed> speel, i believe the athlon xp is an k7
[04:35] <speel> yea thats what i figured
[04:35] <speel> hmm i wonder if its worth it to upgrade it to the k7
[04:36] <Dillweed> upgrade what?
[04:36] <speel> the kernel to k7
[04:36] <Dillweed> imo it does.
[04:36] <pantz> when i insert my SD card from my camera into my card reader it comes up with an icon on the desktop called 'DIMAGE' - anyone know where I go to customize the name?
[04:36] <pantz> I have grepped for DIMAGE and not found it anywhere
[04:37] <speel> would i have to remove the 386 then install the k7?
[04:37] <Dillweed> speel, no
[04:37] <pantz> speel, install k7 then remove 386
[04:37] <Dillweed> speel, when you upgrade the kernel it automatically sets it in the grub menu.lst
[04:37] <speel> bah thats what i ment lol thanks
[04:37] <pantz> hehe
[04:37] <Dillweed> you can have both on the same system and be fine.
[04:37] <JDahl> speel, or keep 386 as a backup
[04:38] <Dillweed> i generally have 3-4 old kernels that I haven't deleted
[04:38] <farruinn> anyone know how to create startup items for non-gnome sessions? (e.g. enlightenment or fluxbox)
[04:38] <nekrataal> hi there
[04:38] <speel> just down load the linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-k7 and thats it?
[04:39] <Quinn_Storm> farruinn: they didn't come with sessions? on debian-based systems they should install them automatically and you'd just have to reload gdm to get them to show up in the menu
[04:39] <nekrataal> one question....how do i change my screen reslution on ubuntu??, i edited the file xorg.conf adding the new resolutions i want, but even restarting X server they arent show in the Gnome reslution...
[04:39] <arek> fluxbox shows up in gdm
[04:40] <farruinn> Quinn_Storm: I've got sessions in /usr/share/xsessions/ but they're .desktop files, I can't just add things to it (like gnome-settings-daemon &)
[04:40] <speel> hey any developers / programmers in here suggest a pretty decent for an 11th grade HS student :P ??
[04:40] <JDahl> nekrataal, system->preferences->screen resolution
[04:40] <farruinn> arek: yup, I used fluxbox's file to create one for enlightenment =)
[04:40] <speel> pretty decent programming lanuage**
[04:40] <crimsun> speel: python, Java, C++
[04:41] <JDahl> what's decent about C++?
[04:41] <speel> python .. i heard alot about it
[04:41] <nekrataal> JDahl, yes, i know, but there apears only 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768..
[04:41] <speel> its is pretty straight foward to learn?
[04:41] <crimsun> JDahl: it's good to be knowledgable about those three at least
[04:41] <nekrataal> and i want more, that why i edited the xorg.conf...but they dont appear to work..
[04:41] <geneo91> python rox
[04:41] <fgx> nekrataal, do you have lcd?
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> nekrataal: are you sure your monitor can support the resolutions?
[04:42] <ells> does anyone know if there is a quictime plugin for the internet
[04:42] <geneo91> ubuntu is python oriented
[04:42] <speel> brb going to restart to my brandnew kern :)
[04:42] <Quest-Master> ells: Only if you have Crossover Office which costs money
[04:42] <nekrataal> yes, its best resolution is 1280x1024@110Mhz
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master: I acutally have it but not installed
[04:43] <Dillweed> who can I get in contact with to see about optimizing ubuntu for a 686?
[04:43] <Quest-Master> ells: Install it then and use the Quicktime plugin included :)
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master; it did not work well with hoary before
[04:43] <Quest-Master> :o
[04:43] <Quest-Master> Works fine for me
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master; it worked well with warty though
[04:43] <ells> Quest-Master: which version do you have
[04:43] <JDahl> Dillweed, first browse through the forums
[04:44] <nekrataal> nobody ?
[04:45] <Quest-Master> ells: 4.1
[04:45] <JDahl> nekrataal, what you're doing sounds right... maybe try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:45] <nekrataal> ok, ill take some sleep, c-ya guys
[04:45] <ells> I will check and see what I have
[04:49] <Dillweed> ok, thanks for the help all
[04:49] <Dillweed> have a good one.
[04:49] <ells> Quest-Master, I have pro4.1
[04:49] <ells> I can try it again
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Ok
[04:50] <ells> Quest-Master, do you have the nice interactive screen
[04:52] <PlasmaPain> any one alive here ?
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> I'm undead, but I still use ubuntu
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> i was strating to think all this nicks was buried
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> and this was a cemitery
[04:54] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows off the top of their head which commands I need to run to reconfigure the nvidia kernel module.
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> you've been here for three minutes
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: erm.. what do you mean
[04:54] <Absenth> I just changed to the k7 specific kernel, and currently x won't boot with the "nvidia" driver.
[04:54] <PlasmaPain> HrdwrBoB: you dont cary a shovvel bye any chance ?
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> should do it
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> PlasmaPain: I keep one handy
[04:55] <Absenth> it's failing on the kernel module.  I know on fedora I just re-ran the .run script, but I have no idea where apt puts such things.
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> well, sudo apt-get [etc] 
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> what if you can't find any linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) package? (I'm on hoary...have all the repositories enabled I think...maybe not...using stock kernel, uname-r is 2.6.10-5-386)
[04:56] <ells> is anyone using crossover
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> Quinn_Storm: there should be a 2.6.10-5 I think, if not, revert to -4
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> any one runed ubuntu securty tests ?
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: there doesn't appear to be any linux-restricted-modules packages, at least according to aptitude
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> what is ububtu rating ?
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: what repository are they in? I have main universe & multiverse enabled
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> main
[04:57] <M_Fatih> hi all, i have a problem with management in apache..
[04:57] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, on distrowatch we are #1
[04:57] <ells> is anyone using crossover, just curious
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on 386
[04:57] <Absenth> LinuxJones, is that #1 for popularity, or for security
[04:57] <Absenth> Ells, I've got Crossover running.
[04:57] <PlasmaPain> #1 what ?
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: odd indeed...let me check... deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse that correct?
[04:58] <M_Fatih> i installed but /etc/init.d/apache2 initscript doesn't work, i'm using apache2ctl script.. :(
[04:58] <ells> Absenth, is it on warty or hoary
[04:58] <LinuxJones> Absenth, pop :D
[04:58] <Absenth> hoary,
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> Quinn_Storm: yes
[04:58] <ells> Absenth, do you have the nice graphical layout with it
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.3-8_i386.deb
[04:58] <Absenth> Ells, I'm also running Transgaming 4.3
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: well I've apt-get updated (no errors) and the package doesn't seem to be there...
[04:58] <ells> Absenth, what is Transgaming
[04:58] <Absenth> ells, "nice graphical layout"  be more specific please.
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> ooooh, "restricted"....I need to add that repository
[04:58] <sabmoc> Absenth: dont they call that cedega now?
[04:58] <Absenth> ells, Transgaming = the makers of wineX also known as Cedega
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> well cedega
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> formerly known as winex
[04:59] <Absenth> HrdwrBoB, Danke, for the apt-get line, worked like a charm.
[04:59] <ells> Absenth, well in past with hoary, the graphical part wont come up, have to launch files thru console
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: excellent :)
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: I needed to add "restricted" to my repository
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> ah yes
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> of course
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> I'm a tard :)
[04:59] <sabmoc> I used to run it back in the winex days, it worked pretty good for deus ex and a few others.
[04:59] <ells> Absenth, are the programs listed in your applications menu
[05:00] <JDahl> will either bazaar or bazaar-ng become sourceforge projects, or will development be kept inside Canonical?
[05:00] <sabmoc> HrdwrBoB: dont feel bad, a lot of people are tardy.
[05:00] <Absenth> ells, nope, they sure aren't
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> sabmoc: heh I take solace in the fact that lots of people are worse than me
[05:00] <ells> Absenth, so how do you run your files, just curious
[05:00] <Absenth> ells, I guess I haven't tried Crossover since upgrading to Hoary.
[05:00] <jdub> JDahl: they won't go on sourceforge, but they're entirely public
[05:00] <sabmoc> Absenth: you may have to restart gnome to get apps populating your menu list
[05:00] <jdub> JDahl: don't have to be on sourceforge to be a free software project... :)
[05:01] <ells> Absenth, after you install in hoary, you have to use it by going thru console.
[05:01] <sabmoc> jdub: doesnt microsoft even have a few programs on sourceforge now?
[05:01] <PlasmaPain> you need to be in savanah
[05:01] <jdub> sabmoc: indeed.
[05:01] <ells> Absenth, you have to install all your programs when you install crossover
[05:01] <calc> anyone notice xorg not driving monitors as high as it used to?
[05:01] <sabmoc> I seem to remember some xml app from microsoft on sourceforge
[05:01] <Quinn_Storm> wow, ubuntu is third only to mandrake & fedora and its actually tied with fedora (on distrowatch)...I'm quite glad to see this
[05:01] <ells> Abseth, crossover wont come up again after
[05:01] <Quinn_Storm> oh, no, only almost tied
[05:01] <calc> i hadn't logged out in hoary in a few weeks and now when i did its only doing 1600x1200 75
[05:01] <JDahl> jdub, are people outside Canonical involved in any of those projects?
[05:02] <jdub> http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
[05:02] <calc> and the monitor change app only shows 60hz as an option
[05:02] <jdub> JDahl: absolutely
[05:02] <PlasmaPain> dont you think that distrowatch ratings are being manipulated ?
[05:02] <jdub> JDahl: quite a few arch hackers are contributing to baz, and martin is already receiving patches for bzr (which is very new)
[05:02] <ells> Absenth, can you use any of your programs
[05:02] <LinuxJones> Ubuntu is kicking ass :)
[05:03] <sabmoc> jdub: hey, can you tell me what to do with my life? I need to figure it out someday.
[05:03] <linux_galore> yeah Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a breath of fresh air for debianites
[05:03] <sabmoc> wow, ubuntu is kicking ass
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> yeah, (k)ubuntu is pretty great
[05:03] <linux_galore> reminds me I need to burn the kubuntu live cd
[05:03] <Absenth> ells, currently no, but the only program I had installed on this machine was acrobat reader.
[05:04] <PlasmaPain> any one hacked ubuntu yet ?
[05:04] <sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: kubuntu isnt on the list, is it considered part of ubuntu or a different distro?
[05:04] <jdub> sabmoc: both
[05:04] <ells> Absenth, you will have to go thru console go to the file and ./file
[05:04] <linux_galore> actually I was wondering what kernel security patched the Ubuntu guys use as default
[05:04] <linux_galore> patches
[05:04] <sabmoc> jdub: hows that?
[05:04] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, Expect Ubuntu to be on par with Debian of a similar kernel version.
[05:04] <jdub> Quinn_Storm: but it's extraordinarily new
[05:05] <calc> oh hmm actually i misread the monitor its running in 60hz mode now no wonder my eyes were buggin out
[05:05] <jdub> sabmoc: it's both part of ubuntu and a different distribution
[05:05] <speel> woo was i almost screwd lol i installed the k7 and restarted .. then xserver dident want to load
[05:05] <calc> ah it overwrote my xorg.conf with bad values
[05:05] <PlasmaPain> what kernel is in kunbutu ?
[05:06] <speel> xfree86 that is
[05:06] <sabmoc> so then whoever makes ubuntu actually makes two distrobutions, makes sence, i think novel makes `suse` as well as `novel desktop`
[05:06] <jdub> PlasmaPain: same as ubuntu, 2.6.10
[05:06] <linux_galore> does Ubuntu use the  GRSecurity and PaX  kernel patches
[05:06] <inphlict> Hey guys
[05:06] <sabmoc> and redhat makes redhat and fedora
[05:06] <inphlict> I need some help
[05:06] <speel> dont we all?
[05:06] <inphlict> how do I install a xmms skin?
[05:06] <sabmoc> i dont
[05:07] <crimsun> inphlict: unzip/untar it in ~/.xmms/Skins/
[05:07] <PlasmaPain> debian makes lots of them but for difrent archs
[05:07] <inphlict> thnx
[05:07] <jdub> sabmoc: no, the ubuntu team develops ubuntu and the kubuntu team develops kubuntu. we share almost everything, just have different desktop focus.
[05:07] <speel> inphlict, well theres a few ways .. did you ever add the extra repos?
[05:07] <jdub> linux_galore: no
[05:08] <sabmoc> jdub: ok that makes much more sence, do both teams work for the same company? Is it the Canonical company? (I am new to ubuntu)
[05:08] <linux_galore> jdub: so Ubuntu is open for many of the new kernel hacks that are missing on the default tree
[05:08] <Absenth> linux_galore, a Google for +ubuntu +GRSecurity, as well as +ubuntu +pax both show hits.
[05:08] <speel> sabmoc, ubuntu is part of canonical
[05:08] <calc> hmm i see a bug in the about ubuntu yelp, the main page has no desc on the left hand side
[05:08] <Absenth> linux_galore, I'd assume if it's not, "default" it can be implimented.
[05:08] <jdub> linux_galore: no
[05:08] <inphlict> okay skins works now
[05:09] <inphlict> crimsun: thanks
[05:09] <crimsun> inphlict: np
[05:09] <linux_galore> jdub: so you do patch the kernels
[05:09] <sabmoc> speel: I dont understand now, is there a company called "Ubuntu LInux"? maybe thats the fact I am missing.
[05:09] <jdub> sabmoc: canonical sponsors some of the developers, yes
[05:09] <jdub> linux_galore: yes
[05:09] <fgx> jdub, do you think ubuntu will have boot/install floppy in the future?afaik now you have to boot from sarge floppy. am i wrong?
[05:09] <jdub> sabmoc: no, ubuntu is the distro, canonical sponsors its development
[05:09] <inphlict> This is the skin http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/
[05:09] <linux_galore> jdub: now Im confused
[05:09] <speel> sabmoc, ubunut is just a project for canocail or how ever you spell it
[05:09] <speel> ubuntu*
[05:09] <PlasmaPain> what canonical means ?
[05:09] <jdub> fgx: unlikely
[05:09] <speel> no idea lol sounds like some kinda camra
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> is it religin ?
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> religion ?
[05:10] <speel> lol
[05:10] <calc> orthodox
[05:10] <jdub> PlasmaPain: look up canonical in your GNOME dictionary
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> isnt canonical like some saint ?
[05:10] <sabmoc> Ubuntu is a free community project (i think) who has some sponsored developers working on it (sponsored by Canonical). Correct?
[05:10] <sysfail> anybody using win4lin???...please let me know
[05:10] <Absenth> or JFGI
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> i dont have gnome
[05:10] <jdub> sabmoc: yes
[05:10] <PlasmaPain> you tell me
[05:11] <mach> is there any way to install ubuntu through internet?
[05:11] <mach> I don't have a cd recorder
[05:11] <sabmoc> well... now that I've wraped up the mystery of the Ubuntu project, what should I do with my life now?
[05:12] <calc> mach: you may be able to pxe netboot and install it, not certain
[05:12] <geneo91> mach:  you could do a hd install
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> whats the mystery of ubuntu ?
[05:12] <Absenth> sabmoc, you should sell all your belongings, and send the proceeds to my bank account so I can hire my legions of doom, and take over the world.
[05:12] <linux_galore> woohoo desktop loading
[05:12] <speel> hack it with a axe
[05:12] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain: dont start that again.
[05:12] <linux_galore> ack need to fix the resolution
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> what ?
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> is it a secret ?
[05:12] <sabmoc> Absenth: my wife doesnt like that idea very much.
[05:12] <speel> ubuntu is a world consiprisy lol
[05:13] <Absenth> sabmoc, My wife wouldn't like it if the tables were reversed, but she did laugh.
[05:13] <mach> geneo91, hmm, how can I do that? some documentation anywhere?
[05:13] <sabmoc> hahah
[05:13] <Absenth> sabmoc, maybe we should go in together, and be joint evil overlords?
[05:13] <PlasmaPain> is ubuntu the crusareds distro ?
[05:13] <speel> lol are there ever any ubuntu developers in here?
[05:14] <jdub> speel: always
[05:14] <geneo91> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[05:14] <speel> they hide :P
[05:14] <linux_galore> ok got kubuntu up and going.............niiice
[05:14] <sabmoc> Absenth: that has a nice ring to it, what are you two doing for brunch next tuesday? I'll have my evil horde call your evil horde.
[05:14] <PlasmaPain> use kubuntu
[05:14] <mach> calc, what's pxe?
[05:14] <linux_galore> yeah kde 3.4 supports svg wallpaper now
[05:14] <Absenth> sabmoc, heh.
[05:15] <PlasmaPain> what is svg wallpaper ?
[05:15] <farruinn> linux_galore: gnome doesn't?
[05:15] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: form of vector graphics
[05:15] <madstop> is kubuntu always going to be called kubuntu?  Seems like kind of a lazy thing to call it, and somehow unfair to the word "ubuntu".  Just my opinion...
[05:15] <linux_galore> farruinn: not that I can see
[05:15] <PlasmaPain> so it suports animations ?
[05:16] <sabmoc> But seriously folks, sabmoc needs your ideas for a career. Im even considering going into technical writing. Thats how low Im stooping.
[05:16] <sirukin> ubuntuk just sounds silly.
[05:16] <Absenth> sabmoc, Mmmm... as evil overlord I could lart them all...
[05:16] <speel> does any one feel weird when they say the word "ubuntu" to some one new to linux? i feel like im a space alien somtimes
[05:16] <sirukin> so no, kubuntu will always be kubuntu
[05:16] <jdub> madstop: why? it's a rad name
[05:16] <Absenth> sabmoc, where roughly in the world are ya
[05:16] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: no just single svg image files....means you dont need different wallpaper resolutions for different screen sizes....one image fits all
[05:16] <sabmoc> Im Canadian, eh.
[05:16] <sirukin> I only say ubuntu when I know I'm talking to someone african
[05:16] <speel> lol
[05:16] <calc> mach: preboot execution environment, allows you to boot off the network on x86 systems
[05:16] <PlasmaPain> everything starts with a K
[05:17] <mach> calc, thanks
[05:17] <sirukin> which is rare, so it's usually, "This totally awesome opensource fully compliant gnu-wise distrobution of linux".
[05:17] <Absenth> I was just in CanEHdia last month.  I hear Alberta has a serious lack of techies.
[05:17] <sirukin> yeah, it's a tongueful
[05:17] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: not always theres juk and scribus and inkscape
[05:17] <madstop> Here are some nice examples of svg wallpaper-- cool how it scales -- http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/
[05:17] <sabmoc> Absenth: what type of tech's?
[05:17] <madstop> and with transparency!
[05:18] <Absenth> sabmoc, I would guess mostly winders admin types, and desktop support types, but.....
[05:18] <linux_galore> madstop: yeah someone on kde-apps has added a true transparency patch for kde to work with x.org
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> do nvidia driver work in kunbutu ?
[05:18] <sabmoc> madstop: nice wallpaper!
[05:18] <Absenth> sabmoc, I was on vacation, so I didn't really ask too many questions.  I know tech types in Calgary make a lot more then those working for same company, in the same job title, in SaskatALFDAJDFLAOVIEHJAOLJKAWE (since I can't spell it anyway)
[05:18] <jdub> PlasmaPain: it's included
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> the acelarated one ?
[05:19] <madstop> Yeah, sabmoc, that guy's good.
[05:19] <jdub> PlasmaPain: the nvidia closed source driver, yes.
[05:19] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, I'm running Accellerated NVIDIA drivers on the other pc right now.  Using Cedega to play WoW
[05:19] <linux_galore> PlasmaPain: should do works with Ubuntu....... the nvidia driver has nothing to do with gnome or kde
[05:19] <dsl874> lo
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> it has to do with xorg
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: it would be neat if the ubuntu wallpaper cycled colors somehow
[05:20] <PlasmaPain> and xorg has to do with them both
[05:20] <linux_galore> must say Ubuntu team did a nice job with kubuntu
[05:20] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, easiest way to install it is through synaptic. however if you want to, by hand works as well.
[05:20] <saber> is ubunto 4.10 based on woody or sarge?
[05:20] <tehats`> um, i just tried running the livecd off my pentium, and it failed on boot!
[05:20] <calc> saber: sarge
[05:20] <tehats`> i thought it was compatible with 386's :/
[05:20] <tehats`> and mines a p1-166
[05:20] <saber> ok: thanks calc... I'm trying to install the qmail .deb
[05:21] <linux_galore> finally a version of Debian with the latest kde desktop that doesnt look like ****
[05:21] <sabmoc> Absenth: yeah, thats pretty typical. I think Linux is much bigger in eastern Canada. Too bad I live in BC though. We are a bit alienated from the rest of our country (too many damn empty provinces full of wheat fields between us and New York!)
[05:21] <madstop> Isn't there some way to at least cycle wallpapers?  or maybe cycle desktop colors, if using transparency?  Maybe every time you log-in?
[05:21] <tehats`> any help? :<<
[05:21] <Absenth> PlasmaPain, acually xorg has very little to do with it.  It has a LOT more to do with the Kernel, and kernel modules.  I ran Warty with Nvidia-GLX, upgraded to Hoary with Nvidia-GLX, and now running a K7 specific kernel on Hoary with nvidia-GLX
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: well I know there is in kde
[05:21] <PlasmaPain> knoppix looked freat too
[05:21] <calc> madstop: make a script to modify the config file
[05:21] <Absenth> warty = XF86-4  Hoary = Xorg.  Both work fine.
[05:21] <madstop> I suppose being able to have different wallpaper on different workspaces would be overkill...?
[05:22] <sabmoc> Absenth: Im surprised they even know what computers are in Saskachewan.
[05:22] <tehats`> any... help... ?
[05:22] <PlasmaPain> i dont know nothing about that kernel stuff
[05:22] <speel> dud ubuntu ever fix that issue with nvidia and hoary?
[05:22] <robodex> wheeeeee compositing is fun
[05:22] <Absenth> sabmoc, I was in Okotoks??  (about 30km south of Calgary) feb 12-20
[05:22] <robodex> speel: what issue?
[05:22] <sabmoc> speel: Im on hoary with nvidia and have no issues.
[05:22] <Absenth> speel I'm running it now, so I would say it works fine.
[05:22] <tehats`> eek?
[05:22] <speel> there was some issue with one of the kernels and the nvidia driver
[05:23] <tehats`> no one to help a noob when its needed? :P
[05:23] <linux_galore> yeah I found with the nvidia driver I had to setup a preload for the nvidia module before x tried to use it
[05:23] <Absenth> tehats`, what was the question?
[05:23] <tehats`> why cant the livecd boot on meh pentium 166 :P
[05:23] <PlasmaPain> has any one hacked ubuntu yet ?
[05:23] <sabmoc> tehats`: sometimes you have to really whine for a while until someone notices.
[05:23] <Absenth> tehats`, do I really need to answer that?
[05:23] <tehats`> lol ok
[05:23] <Madiba> sabmoc: i can only load live cd in safemode not noemal and morning
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> tehats`: how much ram?
[05:24] <Absenth> tehats`, option 1 is of course, will the 166 boot to ANY cd?
[05:24] <tehats`> oh... not enough ram i guess haha
[05:24] <speel> PlasmaPain, well what do you mean hacked ubuntu
[05:24] <tehats`> yes, im running off DSL right now
[05:24] <madstop> tehats, all I can tell you is, in my experience, the cd's need a sloooooow burn -- I've had inconsistent results booting or installing on different machines
[05:24] <PlasmaPain> i mean break in to it
[05:24] <robodex> you'd be hard pressed to find a 166 that'll boot a windows 95 cd...
[05:24] <linux_galore> yeah Ive got a P1 166 and I have damn small linux on it......only thing thats half way decent
[05:24] <tehats`> 32mb ram tho - i was gonna see if i could boot to terminal
[05:24] <sabmoc> tehats`: you need to understand what a live cd is, it loads the entire operating system and the desktop into RAM. EVERYTHING. Not very good for old comps, sorry bro.
[05:24] <speel> oo
[05:25] <Fackamato> PlasmaPain: how do you break into a distribution? rofl
[05:25] <Quinn_Storm> tehats`: you need 128+mb ram to make it work
[05:25] <tehats`> everything?
[05:25] <sabmoc> yup
[05:25] <tehats`> i thought you could have boot options like dsl :/
[05:25] <sabmoc> thats why its called 'live'
[05:25] <PlasmaPain> the same way you break in to anything
[05:25] <Madiba> sabmoc:
[05:25] <sabmoc> eh?
[05:25] <linux_galore> tehats`: install damn small linux......works fine even on 8mb of ram
[05:25] <Fackamato> PlasmaPain: you're really funny, i'm lmfao
[05:25] <PlasmaPain> how the hell dhould i know
[05:25] <tehats`> ah... would installing to hard drive help?
[05:26] <tehats`> or would it still be bad heh
[05:26] <linux_galore> tehats`: DSL even comes with a desktop
[05:26] <madstop> sabmoc, wouldn't the install cd allow just the base os to be loaded, for a server on old equipment, say -- and I thought the live cd might have loading options like that too
[05:26] <sabmoc> tehats`: yes it would be much better, but still it would be slow on a pentium 150 or whatever you said..
[05:26] <tehats`> well, right now im having a DNS issue - im using ip's for some reason
[05:26] <tehats`> yes i know, im using dsl now ;p
[05:27] <PlasmaPain> Fackamato: keep your guts in
[05:27] <tehats`> but i have a inet problem that i dont know how to fix
[05:27] <tehats`> so i wanted to use something else to try
[05:27] <sabmoc> madstop: well I could be wrong, but I think the live cd is just for previewing what ubuntu looks and feels like, it doesnt install anything to your computer, not even if you want it to do that.
[05:27] <linux_galore> tehats`: theres a beefed up version of DSL running around with XFCE setup
[05:27] <tehats`> heh, i like flux ;p
[05:27] <sabmoc> madstop: but the regular install disk will install a base system just as you said. nice feature.
[05:28] <Madiba> sabmoc: i can only load live cd in safemode not normal and perhaps its an issue with nvidia drivers iv got geforcr 4 mx4
[05:28] <madstop> yes, sabmoc, of course you're right-- I forgot, it just creates a ram drive or whatever it's called, right?
[05:28] <PlasmaPain> why not making a live cd ith install optin and lose the instaler cd ?
[05:28] <linux_galore> tehats`: I use XFCE and debian on my P1 166 (48mb) works fine although "dam small" runs faster
[05:28] <geneo91> Madiba:  not so
[05:28] <sabmoc> Madiba: hmm.. interesting.
[05:28] <madstop> PlasmaPain,  I was wondering that myself...
[05:29] <Madiba> geneo 91 it ask me if i want to conguire my card not working on morphix any ideas?
[05:29] <linux_galore> madstop: the live CD uses the FOSS nv driver
[05:29] <omniscient> hey guys. I'm using ubuntu linux and almost every latex generated dvi i try and convert to pdf comes out blank because of no fonts, do any of you know the package that I'd need to install to aquire extra fonts? or should i be asking this in the ubuntu channel?
[05:29] <madstop> linux_galore, wow, xfce can do that?  Do you know if xfce 4+ would also work on so little memory?
[05:29] <sabmoc> Madiba: perhaps the disk is bad(?) have you tried to burn a new copy of the disk to see if that could be the problem?
[05:29] <omniscient> i asked #latex but they are all dead
[05:29] <tehats`> alright... bbl
[05:30] <geneo91> well mine works just fine
[05:30] <tehats`> thx for the input
[05:30] <Madiba> ok ill try that
[05:30] <linux_galore> madstop: XFCE runs on 32mb machine fine.....I used to run xfce on a 16mb machine
[05:30] <sabmoc> damn it! You killed kenn^^^ Latex!!
[05:30] <Madiba> thnks guys
[05:30] <Madiba> any south africans here
[05:30] <omniscient> planky
[05:30] <madstop> linux_galore, sorry, but I'm too inexperienced to appreciate the driver distinctions to which you're referring
[05:31] <Quinn_Storm> I ran xfce on a 32mb machine for a while (k6-400 w/ 32mb since the 128mb upgrade broke, I eventually got a new 128mb sodimm)
[05:31] <sabmoc> kanga is, but he is not online right now.
[05:31] <Madiba> im kanga sabmoc
[05:31] <sabmoc> hahaha
[05:31] <sabmoc> thats funny!
[05:31] <sabmoc> Hi kanga!
[05:31] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hey, other than hackign the X11 config file, is there a "proper" way of setting my monitors refresh rate properly? It's max is 75Hz atm, but I know it can do 85Hz at this resolution
[05:31] <Madiba> madiba is nelson mandelas nickname and hi
[05:31] <linux_galore> madstop: the nv driver isnt the official nvidia driver but I found it works fine from tnt2 -> fx5900 cards that Ive used
[05:31] <madstop> linux_galore, I really liked what I saw of xfce  -- have to try it again.  And I'm throwing together some computer odds and ends from years ago, so I'll try it on those
[05:31] <sabmoc> Madiba: is this still the same problem you had before?
[05:32] <saber> how can i ask dpkg to ignore all errors when removing?
[05:32] <Madiba> no got it to run the cd had to reburn as iso image worked fine no i have problem with card
[05:32] <PlasmaPain> saber: use the F option
[05:33] <Madiba> can i boot to it now ill checjk the opptions and get back to you
[05:33] <madstop> Quinn_Storm,  how well did xfce run, and what distro on the k6-400?
[05:33] <sabmoc> ok
[05:33] <Madiba> bbl cheers
[05:33] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: it was debian, and it ran fine, but that machine had a really slow hd so swap was painfully slow, heh, but xfce itself was really just fine
[05:34] <robodex> xfce runs like a charm (with compositing) on my celeron 667 :p
[05:34] <saber> I cannot find anything appropriate under --force-help
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: I even did some developing for it...had a panel plugin that was a "dock" (think more nextstep-ish than macosish, that is no silly extra graphics, just a combo taskbar/app launcher)
[05:34] <linux_galore> yeah XFCE is pretty small uses less than 10mb for me.....the fonts are actually a bigger problem i found lol
[05:34] <speel> any one knows any good toutorials on learning python
[05:34] <saber> ah i got it.. dpkg -r --force-all ssmtp
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> web browsing is the big problem on a low ram machine
[05:34] <linux_galore> too many fonts = sucks up too much ram
[05:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> how does one clear the apt cache? just rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/* ?
[05:34] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone here has experiance with Vector linux?
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: apt-get clean
[05:35] <sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: yup
[05:35] <geneo91> speel:  python org has all you need
[05:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Quinn_Storm, thanks
[05:35] <linux_galore> Quinn_Storm: actually not I use a browser called "dillo" and another one called "surfraw"  both use less than 2mb
[05:35] <sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: same thing
[05:35] <madstop> speaking of swap, with 512 ram, how much swap should I have if I want to try hibernation -- and does hibernation actually work for anybody?
[05:35] <Quinn_Storm> linux_galore: cool, neither of them did everything I wanted unfortunately
[05:35] <speel> ah ok thanks
[05:36] <linux_galore> Quinn_Storm: well dillo was designed as a graphical browser for PDA's........its designed for images and text little else but the upside is a lack of advertising and really fast download speeds even on a good system
[05:37] <sabmoc> madstop: of course it works, and you should always have the same amount of ram as swap, when you go into hibernate it write everything in ram to the swap, so you need enough swap so even if your ram is full it will work properly.
[05:37] <madstop> speel, maybe you looked already, but you can "man python" too; don't know how extensive or helpful it is though
[05:37] <sabmoc> man != tutorail
[05:37] <linux_galore> Quinn_Storm: there is also minimoz.....imagine firefox but even smaller
[05:37] <Absenth> how about, anyone use Slackware 10?
[05:38] <sabmoc> suddenly everything is silent.
[05:38] <geneo91> i have
[05:38] <Absenth> geneo91, is it possible to install a 2.6 based kernel on it?
[05:39] <linux_galore> theres a really good KDE IDE for latex
[05:39] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> what does it mean when "apt-get update" fails with "MD5Sum Mismatch"? Does that mean the mirror is in the process of updating or something?
[05:39] <geneo91> sure
[05:39] <linux_galore> Kile  thats the name
[05:39] <Quinn_Storm> linux_galore: not sure...not that it matters, that box is now just a network bridge, heh
[05:39] <madstop> well, I went overboard with swap, using 1 gig!  (I'm a confused windows user!)  I tried hibernation with hoary amd64, and things locked up afterward; I'm a little scared to try it again
[05:39] <sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: no it means the package you downloaded is corrupted
[05:39] <madstop> thanks sabmoc
[05:39] <sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: delete that packages from your repository and download it again.
[05:40] <linux_galore> http://kile.sourceforge.net
[05:40] <linux_galore> I write manuals using kile....although these days I use OOo 2.0
[05:40] <alec> madstop, 1gb swap is not necessarily overboard
[05:40] <sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: if it says md5sum missmatch again, then there is a problem with the package itself, maybe wait until tomorrow and redownload it.. maybe the checksum hasn't been updated or something.
[05:41] <sabmoc> linux_galore: you write manuals? are you a technical writer?
[05:41] <alec> madstop, http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> from what I've heard, 2x ram is the reccomended swap
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> but that could be wrong
[05:41] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> sabmoc, yeah I just did an apt-get clean; and then apt-get update; again and it still does the same thing :( it's the Packages.gz file from Universe, and Sources.gz from Main on my mirror that aren't working
[05:41] <linux_galore> sabmoc: no engineer but i often have to reedit manuals for Australian use
[05:41] <sabmoc> I've always heard 1xRAM
[05:42] <Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: you could always switch to another mirror
[05:43] <sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: you could try switching your servers, or maybe just wait, usually its fixed in a little while, i bet someone is just updating.
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: I use the archive.ubuntu.org mirror and don't have troubles there right now (just checked it)
[05:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Quinn_Storm, nah this one is my local ISP, and doesn't cost me in downloads :) (we have download limits in australia)
[05:43] <madstop> thanks alec -- one thing I wonder about; suppose I had another linux install on same machine, sharing the swap; if I hibernated, then booted to the other kernel, would having a full swap mess up  the other os's startup?
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: archive.ubuntu.com I mean...oh, ok
[05:43] <sabmoc> linux_galore: Im thinking of going into technical writing and webdevelopment.
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: then yeah they are in the process of syncing the mirror
[05:43] <linux_galore> Varies I found.... for most people 256mb is fine if your handling allot of services 512 or more might be needed
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: wait a while and it should be fixed
[05:43] <sabmoc> linux_galore: ^ why I asked.
[05:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Quinn_Storm, cool
[05:44] <alec> madstop, probaly not mess up the startup, but the swap would overwritten
[05:44] <alec> madstop, I'm not a hibernate expert
[05:44] <linux_galore> sabmoc: aah.. I do it because my english skills are not lacking shall we say
[05:44] <sabmoc> haha
[05:44] <linux_galore> sabmoc: most engineers have poor communications skills
[05:44] <sabmoc> I can imagine a lot of Asian manuals
[05:45] <sabmoc> that too
[05:45] <linux_galore> sabmoc: yeah students who do a few years in europe learning english then go bach home to china/tw/hk then start writing manuals that no one understands lol
[05:45] <madstop> that's what I thought alec, I guess it's safe for the other os, since I presume it's not accessing the swap anyway at start (given enough ram anyway).
[05:46] <linux_galore> back*
[05:46] <madstop> in any event, it would probably be dumb for me to try that...
[05:46] <sabmoc> linux_galore: yeah definitely, but then again I would hate to write a manual in Chinese!
[05:47] <linux_galore> sabmoc: wouldnt even go that route lol........too many characters plus the chinese dialects often have poor technology support so you have to swap to latin english
[05:47] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> anyone got 32 bit firefox running on Ubuntu AMD64? Need to get flash player going at some stage...
[05:47] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> even better, would be 32 bit Opera on Ubuntu AMD64
[05:47] <micmur> Hey everybody
[05:48] <LinuxJones> hi micmur :)
[05:48] <micmur> Anybody familiar with mplayer?
[05:48] <micmur> Hey LinuxJones
[05:48] <mass> do I file requests for new modules to be compiled for the 2.6 kernels in ubuntu in the ubuntu bug-tracker?
[05:48] <linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: Opera isnt FOSS
[05:48] <micmur> I installed mplayer last night but am not getting any sound
[05:48] <mass> I always read FOSS as FLOSS
[05:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, yeah I know... but I like it.... :/
[05:49] <Absenth> FOSS SMOSS....
[05:49] <Absenth> I just don't like Opera :)
[05:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore: not to mention there are 50 dialects of Chinese, people say English is taking over the world but the alternative is a lot worse I think, not that Im for the destruction of minority subcultures, but communication with all of them is near impossible.
[05:49] <mass> the support for my scsi card was merged into the kernel at 2.6.9, but it still isn't turned on for ubuntu releases, just want to one day not have to compile my own
[05:49] <linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: also Opera has bugger all community support and you dont have a open plugin layer like Firefox
[05:49] <mass> and accellerate that day to be sooner ;-)
[05:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, opera can use the mozilla/netscape plugins
[05:50] <micmur> Actually, now I'm getting sound but it's VERY choppy
[05:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, oh you mean extensions?
[05:50] <linux_galore> sabmoc: no spannish has the highest growth and Chinese dialects are spoken by 53% of the worlds population
[05:50] <micmur> Anybody? How can I fix this?
[05:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, well firefox + adblock + session saver, is very tempting and I could live with that, yeah...
[05:51] <linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: yeah extensions and themes
[05:51] <madstop> Computers just aren't double byte character friendly; too bad, 'cause you can pack a lot of meaning into very few Chinese characters.  CJK characters work great on cell phones, I hear
[05:51] <Absenth> micmur, are you using oss,
[05:51] <madstop> linux_galore, I really really doubt that 53% figure.  More like 25%
[05:51] <micmur> esd
[05:51] <mass> anyone, where do I make requests for new modules to be 'turned on' in the kernel? do I file bug reports against ubuntu or debian?
[05:51] <Quinn_Storm> I like the utf-8 method myself, lets you use all the various characters you could possibly ever need...I know its a little harder to parse but it doesn't have the space limits other encodings do
[05:52] <mass> or just shout here for a while ;-)
[05:52] <linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: every feature on Opera now has an extension in Firefox that does the same thing.....there is even an advanced mouse gestures plugin that shows a graphical widget in the middle of the screen to help you remember what gesture you need
[05:52] <micmur> Last night I installed it, but wasn't getting any sound. As an example, I was on Apple's trailers site
[05:52] <sabmoc> linux_galore: I didn't know Spanish was the fasting growing, but that makes sense I suppose. Yeah, China is insane. My wife is Chinese, I was just there for holidays last month. Insane.
[05:52] <Absenth> Micmur I'm using oss, I usually have to killall esd to get things like mplayer to work.
[05:52] <speel> is there any tools to burn a mpg to a vcd?
[05:52] <micmur> I'm getting picture and now am getting sound but it's extremely choppy
[05:52] <Absenth> micmur, maybe you need to kill the oss processes?
[05:52] <sysfail> i hate firefox
[05:52] <Quinn_Storm> mass: it would be against ubuntu, they package their own kernels I think
[05:52] <SiRrUs> mass not sure if shouting will help hoary is pretty much finished
[05:52] <micmur> How do I kill OSS and what effect would that have on other programs?
[05:53] <madstop> linux_galore, hunting down firefox extensions, which tend to stop working with new releases, is not my favorite use of time.  Opera has a lot of great features.
[05:53] <micmur> I.E. if I did that and then wanted to listen to mp3's...
[05:53] <linux_galore> madstop: nope 53%....that figure was thrown out by one of the worlds leading dialect specialists he has even written a language just to be able to correctly speak any given dialect
[05:53] <Absenth> micmur, That I can't help you with....  to kill esd I just "killall esd"
[05:53] <madstop> very good keyboard shortcuts, for example, real fullscreen, beautiful, one key zooming
[05:54] <mass> SiRrUs, I already package my own, I will switch to the next unstable tree, I just want to one day use an official packaged kernel
[05:54] <sabmoc> madstop: you can use firefox extensions in Opera (I heard, havent tried it.)
[05:54] <mass> makes a lot of other things easier
[05:54] <micmur> Absenth: I'll try that now
[05:54] <Absenth> sysfail, I've got Office 2K, lotus 6.5.2, and a few custom apps all running on cxoffice at work.  cool stuff I tell you,.
[05:54] <linux_galore> madstop: I have mouse zooming.......and Opera doesnt have "nuke everything"
[05:55] <micmur> Still happening
[05:55] <sabmoc> sysfail: why oh why? IE?    W h y?
[05:55] <madstop> linux_galore, I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me.  The Chinese are one-fifth of the world's population, with overseas Chinese, you can maybe bump that up to one-fourth, but not more than half speaking these "dialects" -- which often are more accurately called languages.
[05:55] <sysfail> im hoping viewing cams in yahoo messenger will work under crossover
[05:55] <Absenth> Micksa, I'll turn you over to some of the other experts then.
[05:55] <sysfail> cause i cant view em in gaim
[05:55] <linux_galore> madstop: nuke everything - extension in Firefox is great when you get pages not formated for printing you just click on everything you want removed
[05:55] <madstop> Cantonese and Mandarin for example are mutually unintellible; the written language is essentially however unified
[05:55] <micmur> Well that didn't work
[05:56] <micmur> Anybody else have any suggestions?
[05:56] <sabmoc> madstop: The Chinese population is 1.3 billion living on the mainland and 500million living outside the country.
[05:56] <linux_galore> madstop: you forget many other countries are tied to the Chinese dialect
[05:56] <sabmoc> earth population?
[05:56] <madstop> ok, sabmoc.  Like I said, not more than half the world's population!
[05:56] <linux_galore> madstop: Japan for one
[05:57] <SiRrUs> mass not sure what you package I was just suggesting that shouting here was not the way to go :)
[05:57] <mass> SiRrUs, filed a bug in ubuntu bugzilla
[05:57] <sysfail> anybody been able to view webcams in GAIM??
[05:57] <madstop> What other countries?  Singapore? A city state, and Chinese is not all that's spoken there.  Overseas minorities in Malaysia, Indonesia, Canada, US, etc...
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> another question here... does ubuntu only comes with
[05:57] <mass> just need modules compiled for my raid card in official packages ;-)
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> gnome?
[05:58] <^thehatsrule^> does ubuntu only comes with gnome?
[05:58] <^thehatsrule^> that is
[05:58] <linux_galore> madstop: your just counting the "100%" chinese dialects you not also counting those dialtect thats derive from one of the chinese dialects
[05:58] <madstop> linux_galore, good lord, the Japanese speak Japanese.
[05:58] <madstop> Not Chinese
[05:58] <SiRrUs> ^thehatsrule^ thats the default
[05:58] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, yes, the default install of ubuntu is gnome.  you can get kde from synaptic, or through apt.
[05:58] <linux_galore> madstop: yes study Japanese you will often see a historical reference for words back to a chinese dialect
[05:59] <^thehatsrule^> i mean, off the cd, could i get flux?
[05:59] <geneo93> kubutu also
[05:59] <^thehatsrule^> or do i have to do a hd-install?
[05:59] <^thehatsrule^> because for now, i want to run off livecd to see how i like it
[05:59] <SiRrUs> ^thehatsrule^ think you will be running gnome then
[06:00] <mass> there is still enough similarities to the written chinese language for chinese people in japan to sorta-kinda almost know what is going on
[06:00] <mass> in written form, not spoken of course :)
[06:00] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, Unless you grab the kubuntu distro, in which case it'll be a live cd/ with kde
[06:00] <sabmoc> madstop: they use many of the same written characters (chinese and japanese). But thats about all that most chinese dialects have in common anyway, same written language.
[06:00] <^thehatsrule^> hm... you cannot change it in the ramdisk?
[06:00] <^thehatsrule^> or no one has tried ;p
[06:00] <madstop> We've borrowed a helluva lot of words from French, too, linux_galore , by your reasoning we should add English to the percentage of people who speak French.  Chinese, with Tibetan, occupies its own language family.  Japanese is unrelated, except by borrowing.
[06:01] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I'd suspect you'ld have to change the distro.  I don't think flux is included in the ISO.
[06:01] <linux_galore> yeah but the chinese have traded and colonised all around Asian basin and exported there language and culture with it
[06:01] <madstop> Anyway, this has to be insanely boring and off topic to everybody else here.  Sorry
[06:01] <geneo93> ^thehatsrule^:  try over on kubuntu channel
[06:01] <^thehatsrule^> no - i dont want kde
[06:01] <^thehatsrule^> heh, id like Funbuntu
[06:01] <^thehatsrule^> lol!
[06:02] <linux_galore> madstop: yes english has become a bit like the mongrel dialect from hell
[06:02] <^thehatsrule^> alright - i just thought i could change it in ramdisk
[06:02] <madstop> Yes, sabmoc.  Writing is a whole other ballgame; complicated by the "simplification" of mainland Chinese.  Different character sets for Taiwan and China now.  Sucks
[06:02] <sabmoc> madstop: are you from tiawan?
[06:03] <geneo93> ^thehatsrule^:  there is an iso of kubuntu
[06:03] <mass> obviously latin has a very large % of usage today
[06:03] <mass> :)
[06:03] <Absenth> to get to another off topic, but linux related subject:)
[06:03] <^thehatsrule^> oh... does kubuntu have flux?
[06:03] <madstop> heh heh, no sabmoc, I'm not.  But I live in Flushing New York, which is sort of a Taiwanese colony... ;-)
[06:03] <linux_galore> yeah Taiwan has drifted allot........also one thing the Chinese always seem to ignore is the fact Taiwan has a aboriginal culture way before the chinese turned up
[06:03] <Absenth> I was tempted to "cd /home" "rm -Rf ." today on the 9 linux servers
[06:03] <Absenth> the lusers were really pissing me off.
[06:03] <geneo93> i doubt it
[06:03] <sabmoc> madstop: its not such a big deal, most people i've met in china speak and can read 3 dialects.
[06:04] <linux_galore> Chinese always act like they were the first to settle Taiwan but they weren't
[06:04] <madstop> true, sabmoc, and linux_galore ...
[06:05] <sabmoc> not to side with the evil chinese empire, but tianwan isnt even recognized as a country by the vast majority of governments today.
[06:05] <madstop> In Canton, sabmoc, I saw lots of signs exorting the Cantonese to speak Mandarin.  And the signs were written in pinyin (latin characters) which many folks couldn't read!
[06:05] <linux_galore> China ruled Korea for a long time Im suprised they Chinese havent tried to say Korea isnt a rebel province too
[06:06] <linux_galore> the*
[06:06] <sabmoc> i think about 40 governments recognize Tiawan, and a lot of those are small African nations.
[06:06] <madstop> sabmoc, officially, Taiwan doesn't recognize itself as a country yet, just as a province of China.
[06:06] <sabmoc> linux_galore: thats because Korea is the original c
[06:06] <sabmoc> original china
[06:06] <madstop> good lord, we
[06:06] <dr_willis> hmm....
[06:07] <madstop> 've made this the chi-buntu channel!
[06:07] <dr_willis> reading this artical about fork bombs and ulimit on slashdot.
[06:07] <sabmoc> lol
[06:07] <linux_galore> lol
[06:07] <dr_willis> what sort of defaults does ubuntu use anyway?
[06:07] <sabmoc> chewbuntu
[06:07] <linux_galore> dr_willis: yeah those have been around for a while
[06:07] <linux_galore> dr_willis: easy fix
[06:07] <mass> fork bombs sound like some sort of home-made fragmentation grenade :P
[06:07] <madstop> what are fork bombs, dr_willis?
[06:07] <dr_willis> ulimit  says "unlimited"
[06:08] <mass> *boom* (forks everywhere)
[06:08] <linux_galore> just edit /etc/security/limits.conf
[06:08] <sabmoc> haha
[06:08] <dr_willis> madstop,  a process where a normal user can basicially take down a system.
[06:08] <dr_willis> linux_galore,  yea - noticed theres nothing there. (its all comments)
[06:08] <dr_willis> seems as paranoid as the ubuntu guys are in other areas of security - that there would be some limit allready in place.
[06:08] <sabmoc> madstop: its where you get an application to fork, creating a new thread, and do that continuously until all the system resources are taken and the system grinds to a halt.
[06:09] <mass> its part of a class of exploits where the operating system is either misconfigured or incapable of limiting the resources a non-priviledged user account can consume
[06:09] <madstop> dr_willis, I manage to do that about every third time I use my computer... I'm not an ignorant noob, I'm a fork bomber!
[06:09] <linux_galore> dr_willis: some nice howto's on the web on securing debian
[06:09] <sabmoc> you forking bomber!
[06:09] <dr_willis> of course the actual artical sort of rants aout it being a KERNEL security issue.. then changes its tune and says its a disrto issue.. then back to a kernel issue..
[06:09] <linux_galore> http://es.tldp.org/Presentaciones/200103hispalinux/jfs2/debiandoc/securing-debian-howto.sgml
[06:10] <madstop> Ah, fork bomb -- I thought maybe it was a way for a software project to assassinate rebel developers...
[06:10] <sabmoc> lol
[06:10] <linux_galore> you can stop fork bombing with a process manager
[06:10] <madstop> heh heh -- are there fork-bomb trojans, etc?
[06:10] <dr_willis> linux_galore,  looks liek that site has been slashdotted. :P or not.. it may be lagged..
[06:11] <linux_galore> dr_willis: no works fine
[06:11] <Absenth> You can also stop fork bombing with threats of physical violence against the offending parties.
[06:11] <mass> dr_willis, maybe it is being fork-bombed?
[06:11] <dr_willis> linux_galore,  well its up now.. and its showing the HTML code/source.. :P lol..  thats odd...
[06:11] <madstop> you know, this reminds me, since upgrading to hoary, I haven't had to kill a process once.  Didn't even bother to put an icon for that in a panel, like I did with warty.  Amazing
[06:11] <Absenth> the guy who runs a coloc server I have a shell on will likely run me over with his jeep a few dozen times if I were to fork bomb his box.
[06:11] <mass> Absenth, chasing them with a fork seems to work well
[06:11] <dr_willis> hmm its .sgml
[06:12] <mass> I think all exploits should be documented in VRML
[06:12] <linux_galore> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/Security-Quickstart-HOWTO.pdf
[06:12] <sabmoc> linux_galore: its pretty hard to stop, even with `killall forkbombedapp` they just spawn so quickly, but yeah its stopable that way if you catch it in time.
[06:12] <mass> "wow, this is a very BIG exploit"
[06:12] <linux_galore> theres a good step by step guide on checking and fixing security issues on most Linux machines
[06:13] <dr_willis> i forkbomed a server in college with batch files calling each other and sending mail :P
[06:13] <dr_willis> kik
[06:13] <dweaver> Hello all, I am sorry if I am just jumping in, but this is my first time on IRC.  I have just installed ubuntu and am looking to find a community to discuss it.  is this the right place?
[06:13] <dr_willis> mass,  heh -
[06:13] <dr_willis> dweaver,  yep.
[06:13] <linux_galore> sudo netstat -tap|grep LISTEN   and then sit and worry
[06:13] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Welcome home.
[06:13] <madstop> dweaver, it sure is
[06:13] <sabmoc> hahaha
[06:14] <sabmoc> sounds like fun linux_galore
[06:14] <mass> dweaver, if you can sift through non-ubuntu discussions, you are home :)
[06:14] <linux_galore> lol
[06:14] <sabmoc> dweaver: yes this is ubuntu, now tell us what you think of tiawan?
[06:14] <dweaver> thanks for the welcome. let me grab a beer and join the conversation.
[06:14] <madstop> the channel hasn't been fork-bombed yet, but you never know... ;)
[06:14] <linux_galore> well if someone asks a question we can answer it
[06:14] <sabmoc> actually dont
[06:14] <Absenth> dweaver don't listen to them, I think they are all drunk :)
[06:15] <madstop> lol sabmoc
[06:15] <Asycas> (i wouldn't leave a valuable can of beer on the floor)
[06:16] <dr_willis> wow - i am allready getting JUNK mail at my gmail account!
[06:16] <sabmoc> the funny part is I actually just found one, under some laundry
[06:16] <dr_willis> and ive given the address to NO one..
[06:16] <madstop> (there might be a deposit on that can)
[06:16] <Asycas> *gasps* the secret stash!!!
[06:16] <mass> dr_willis: it is probably just a brute force attack
[06:16] <linux_galore> dr_willis: I just converted my gmail account into a network disk lol
[06:16] <sabmoc> *pop* fizz
[06:16] <DarthFrog> Asycas: It might be excellent security by obscurity.  A full one, hidden amongst all the empties. :-)
[06:17] <linux_galore> Gmail account = 1Gb network disk.........just drag and drop file on it
[06:17] <madstop> (I think I stashed some cigarettes in that can.  Hope it was empty)
[06:17] <Asycas> haha!! O:-)
[06:17] <mass> someone should add a spork() system call
[06:17] <sabmoc> linux_galore: on linux? impressive, I used that on a windows machine
[06:17] <DarthFrog> someone should put beer in my fridge. :-)
[06:17] <linux_galore> sabmoc: yeah been on Linux for a while
[06:17] <madstop> DarthFrog, "security by obscurity"  -- I like that.
[06:17] <sabmoc> linux_galore: but only 10meg per attachment :(
[06:18] <Square> does hoary come with a firewall with a gui config, or do I need to install one?
[06:18] <sam2> today is my birthday, wow im 19
[06:18] <madstop> be nice if I could upload my whole /home partition to gmail
[06:18] <sabmoc> Square: apt-get install firestarter
[06:18] <sabmoc> Square: its very similar to Zone Alarm
[06:18] <linux_galore> sabmoc: heh heh in Linux there is a trick were it uses the split command to break the file up  then when it comes back to the localhost it combines it again
[06:19] <Square> thanx
[06:19] <sabmoc> linux_galore: oh man, beautiful
[06:19] <madstop> spork system call?  that reminds me, is there a spork bomb too?
[06:19] <dr_willis> heh 5 spam on gmail.. vs 141 on hotmail. :P
[06:19] <Square> just ran a check and only like 2 ports are stealthed lol
[06:19] <janc> DarthFrog : just checked the fridge & the beer is cold  :)
[06:20] <linux_galore> sabmoc: so no 10mb limit (not as far as the user can see but its a technical limit)
[06:20] <dweaver> sabmoc: back from getting my beer.  Haven't been to tiawan yet so I can't comment.  I have been as far east as Moscow, though that was many years ago.
[06:20] <sabmoc> DarthFrog: I thought your name was DeathFog
[06:20] <madstop> Gmail makes webmail pretty damn wonderful, I must say
[06:20] <sabmoc> madstop: yes it does, gmail is goodness
[06:20] <Xenguy> DarthFrog: there's no such thing as too much beer
[06:20] <sabmoc> I've only had 1 i swear!
[06:21] <madstop> I was in Taiwan for an hour and a half.  Nice airport.
[06:21] <DarthFrog> Xenguy: Speaking from long, long personal & painful experience: Yes there is.
[06:21] <sabmoc> linux_galore: thats is a place I would love to visit, always wanted to go to russia
[06:21] <linux_galore> sabmoc: you can use split with any file type really......I used it once for a huge xvid movie file plit it into two files and burned each fragment to a CD then what i did was copy each fragment to the hardisk then cat filename* >> newfilename
[06:21] <plagerism> WTF is up with gnome-terminal in 2.10?? I lost all functionality, now all I have is a gay box, no tabs, no menus, just gay box
[06:21] <janc> well, I'm drinking scotch now (hm, 6.21am, should I go get some sleep? ;)
[06:21] <dr_willis> Hmm... I got Spam on "You can Be a Cop" and "Free Condoms" those are new ;P not seen that sort of spam befor - lol
[06:21] <Xenguy> DarthFrog: I think the word "personal" is relevant (different strokes for different folks and all that)
[06:22] <dr_willis> plagerism,  vs a 'straight' box?
[06:22] <madstop> janc, go ahead, but leave the bottle here, would you?
[06:22] <sabmoc> madstop: I was there for 4 hours, nice but boring airport lol
[06:22] <linux_galore> sabmoc: Russia is horrible
[06:22] <plagerism> dr_willis, no it has no menus
[06:22] <eyequeue> plagerism:  please drop the homophobia
[06:22] <sabmoc> linux_galore: thats what makes it so russian
[06:22] <plagerism> But I just found right click, sorry it just startled me
[06:22] <linux_galore> sabmoc: especially Moscow
[06:22] <plagerism> eyequeue, gay has nothing to do with homophobia
[06:22] <Xenguy> plagerism: what eyequeue said
[06:22] <linux_galore> sabmoc: I mean horrible beyond words
[06:23] <eyequeue> plagerism:  two of us find it offensive
[06:23] <sabmoc> linux_galore: :( its too bad communism fell
[06:23] <plagerism> would you rather I call it queer?? How about odd
[06:23] <madstop> I was in Japan for a couple hours too.  Freakin' idiot not to have gotten a visa for at least a quick look at the country before going on to HK
[06:23] <eyequeue> plagerism:  i have no need to tolerate this
[06:23] <sabmoc> Janc your drinking scotch at 6am? You sir are a bastard, and I salute you.
[06:23] <linux_galore> sabmoc: you cant do anything unless you pay a bribe......want to fart pay a bribe.......want to cross the road without getting flattened .pay a bribe
[06:24] <Mguel721> how you all doing?
[06:24] <madstop> and Anchorage was pretty cool at ten in the morning in December, looking like the middle of the night
[06:24] <DarthFrog> linux_galore: Where is that?
[06:24] <linux_galore> DarthFrog: moscow
[06:24] <Mguel721> can anyone help
[06:24] <dweaver> Can I ask were you all are from?
[06:24] <Madiba> HI ALL IM BACK
[06:24] <Madiba> why does freenode ping your pc when u log on?
[06:24] <DarthFrog> Mguel721: Just ask your question.  If anyone can help, they will.
[06:25] <alindeman> Madiba: Open proxy check
[06:25] <plagerism> Anyways I fixed my situation, and I apoligize for the usage of the word gay, I mean queer, or odd or stupid, not homosexual cause how could a box be homosexual
[06:25] <madstop> I'm from New York State, dweaver, and in New York City
[06:25] <Madiba> alindeman : thanks
[06:25] <madstop> you?
[06:25] <alindeman> Madiba: np
[06:25] <sabmoc> linux_galore: communism=everyone had a job, lots of pointless meaningless jobs, but at least everyone could buy food. Its sad how bad russia has become. I dont think they will ever recover.
[06:26] <linux_galore> hmmm orange iMAC.....now thats gay  lol
[06:26] <dweaver> madstop: I used to work there. 33rd st.  got transfered to ohio 15 yrs agos.
[06:26] <geneo93> dweaver:  where in ohio are you
[06:27] <dweaver> north of cinci right now.
[06:27] <linux_galore> sabmoc: the problem is in russia they dont have the long existing culture that deals with capitalism
[06:27] <geneo93> i'm just 35 miles west of toledo
[06:27] <sabmoc> linux_galore: I hate to be pessimistic, I grew up with russia as a really cool and mysterious place but I really dont think it will ever recover. Yes, thats the problem exactly. And they way they are learning to deal with it is only going to make it worse.
[06:27] <madstop> membreya -- "erection reset???"
[06:27] <madstop> lol
[06:28] <sabmoc> erection reset?what the?!?
[06:28] <dweaver> geneo93: I love the Noreth Coast.  Ever heard of Pat Dailey?
[06:28] <linux_galore> sabmoc: eastern Russia is great the people are nice and they still love communism and in many cases still practice it
[06:28] <madstop> that's why membreya is in and out so much tonight, I guess
[06:28] <geneo93> the mayor
[06:29] <dweaver> the bard of lake erie
[06:29] <DarthFrog> Nothing wrong with communism in theory, other than it ignores human behaviour and tends to promote totalitarianism.
[06:29] <Square> there have been very few communistic countires , russia was close but even then people in power had more then everyone else
[06:29] <janc> dweaver : Bruges, Belgium  :)
[06:29] <linux_galore> sabmoc: in eastern russia they dont have hotels as such just drop in and say hello and they will give you a bed for the price of some news
[06:29] <geneo93> well i've heard the name before
[06:30] <Absenth> there's nothing wrong with Totalitarianism, as long as I, and my Legions of Doom are the ones in charge of it.
[06:30] <dweaver> janc: never been there.  Good beer I've heard.
[06:30] <Absenth> I think we can trust sabmoc and his horde as well.
[06:30] <janc> Belgium has good beers, yes  :)
[06:30] <sabmoc> DarthFrog: the problem with communism is that it needs as you say, totalitarianist centralized government who put themselves outside the communist loop. I dont think you can fix communism.
[06:30] <linux_galore> yeah but Belgium has very high tax's
[06:30] <sabmoc> Absenth: I vote for Absenth
[06:31] <madstop> and good novelists-- Georges Simenon, one of my favorites
[06:31] <dweaver> geneo93:ever get to put-in-bay?
[06:31] <geneo93> dweaver:  how nouth of cinci
[06:31] <janc> 'high' taxes but also the 'highest' social security...
[06:31] <sabmoc> linux_galore: thats very cool
[06:31] <geneo93> dweaver:  oh yes the wine festival
[06:31] <dweaver> geneo93:Liberty Twp - about 20 miles
[06:31] <Absenth> sweet!
[06:31] <Madiba> sabmoc:
[06:31] <Square> in an ideal communism you wouldnt have any need for money if you needed something you would get it, but it seldom works out that way
[06:32] <geneo93> aff i've been through there many times
[06:32] <sabmoc> Madiba: try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:32] <Absenth> Under my regime, Expect many lusers to be beaten with the clue by four of destiny
[06:32] <linux_galore> sabmoc: I would drop in a small village and look for a bed and often I would leave the village the next day with a pack full of food
[06:32] <dweaver> geneo93: how long have you been using ubuntu?
[06:33] <geneo93> about 3 months
[06:33] <Madiba> sabmoc: how do i do that?
[06:33] <linux_galore> sabmoc: hear allot have has changed though lately
[06:33] <linux_galore> heard allot of that has changed lately *
[06:33] <sabmoc> Madiba: `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` run that on a command line.
[06:33] <geneo93> hoary is great
[06:34] <linux_galore> dont try watch 3 channels at the same time lol
[06:34] <calc> linux_galore: only 3?
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:34] <dweaver> geneo93:any other linux before that?  I started in 99 with some Red Hat Multi Boot but got away from it.  I have now decided to give Uncle Bill the boot.
[06:34] <DarthFrog> Hide the cheese!  da_bon_bon's here! :-)
[06:35] <sabmoc> linux_galore: thats too bad, but I think its only a matter of time before those pockets get absorbed by the rest of the russian culture, similar to how big chains are always trying to make inroads in small towns here in the west. Only in russia the big chains are mafia.
[06:35] <geneo93> dweaver:  i started with red hat 6.2
[06:35] <sabmoc> then again, they are mafia here too, we just dont know it
[06:35] <dampjam_> I have a laptop that uses a touch pad, and I Just plugged in a usb mouse.  How do I get it to work?
[06:35] <geneo93> around 1999
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: :)
[06:35] <dampjam_> (preferably with the touchpad still working)
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: i ate all of it already :)
[06:36] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Oh, that's where it went. :-)
[06:36] <bj_> hello hello
[06:36] <sabmoc> dampjam_: first you go to the internet, you do research, you come back when that has failed after several attempts. :)
[06:36] <Madiba> sabmoc : can i run thatt from within safe mode
[06:36] <dampjam_> argh
[06:36] <bj_> When can we dist-upgrade to grumpy
[06:36] <sabmoc> Madiba: I think so
[06:36] <Quinn_Storm> dampjam_: make sure your xorg.conf is pointed to /dev/input/mice
[06:36] <sabmoc> dampjam_: haha
[06:37] <calc> bj_: probably after hoary is released
[06:37] <Madiba> sabmoc ok ill try i last thing where dom i find the command line thing is it at the terminal thingy lol excuse my ignorance
[06:37] <dweaver> geneo93: I have to us microsoft at work since that is what I develoe in but it is realy nice to make the move to linux at home.  how do you use it?
[06:37] <DarthFrog> bj_: Well, hoary hasn't even been released yet.  And the release following that is Breezy Badger.
[06:37] <sabmoc> I think I should go get some work done before Im too drunk to do it properly.
[06:37] <dampjam_> Quinn_storm: it is
[06:38] <sabmoc> lol, that came out all wrong
[06:38] <Quinn_Storm> dampjam_: not sure then, sorry
[06:38] <linux_galore> sabmoc: so true
[06:38] <calc> dampjam_: not according to the wiki at least
[06:38] <calc> er oops wrong nickcomplete
[06:38] <dweaver> Has any body had an audio problem with the latest hoary?
[06:38] <sabmoc> Madiba: yes, the command line, you can call it a terminal or a shell, same thing.
[06:38] <geneo93> well i was admin a t a factory for 8 yrs with ms crap
[06:38] <calc> dweaver: not me, but i haven't rebooted in a few months
[06:39] <sabmoc> ok, bbl guys
[06:39] <calc> dweaver: so i am still using an old kernel
[06:39] <Mguel721> Has anyone installed bluefish-1.0?
[06:39] <Madiba> thank you have a drink for me its to early here lol
[06:39] <sirukin> hmmm
[06:39] <calc> 2.6.10-2-amd64-k8
[06:39] <geneo93> 4 servers and 85 worksttions
[06:39] <sirukin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamHowto
[06:39] <madstop> dweaver, I haven't even tried audio yet, 'cause I'm so pissed that I can't use realplayer with hoary. amd64.
[06:39] <dampjam_> Wow it works now!!!!
[06:39] <sirukin> anyone started a canadian team?
[06:39] <Tugg> sab a terminal is an app a shell is an interface to the os, a bit of a difference
[06:39] <Square> I may try and break free of windows now that ive tried hoary+kde3.4+translucany
[06:40] <^thehatsrule^> lol... wait until longhorn....
[06:40] <geneo93> Square:  i did that in 1999
[06:40] <dampjam_> square: just make sure you load wine so you can use ie, firefox has too many security flaws to use
[06:40] <Tugg> hat: we will all be dead
[06:40] <calc> with longhorn you get better graphics plus unbreakable drm for free ;)
[06:40] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:40] <Square> lol
[06:40] <Mguel721> I tried installing bluefish-1.0 and received the following:
[06:40] <^thehatsrule^> the recommeneded processor is 4-6 ghz dual core
[06:40] <Mguel721> checking for gcc ... no
[06:40] <madstop> firefox currently sucks.  I'm using epiphany.  Don't know if it's better or not.
[06:41] <Tugg> i love firefox
[06:41] <^thehatsrule^> firefox is good - when its loaded ;p
[06:41] <Mguel721> checking for cc ... no
[06:41] <Quinn_Storm> I don't know why people say firefox sucks...but then it could be personal preference
[06:41] <Tugg> but in hoary some of the icons are missing
[06:41] <^thehatsrule^> Mguel721, install gcc?
[06:41] <Tugg> so I DLed a new icon theme
[06:41] <madstop> firefox 1.1whatever is buggy in ubuntu
[06:41] <calc> Quinn_Storm: yea it works great here
[06:41] <madstop> on my system anyway
[06:41] <bj_> Hoaryyyys frozen though
[06:41] <Square> iv'e been useing linux off and on sence 1996 but something end up couseing me to go back to windows
[06:41] <sirukin> it's that same "Personal Preferance" that causes people to diss something that works in light of there not knowing any alternatives
[06:41] <calc> i have managed to make it crash once in the past couple months
[06:41] <Mguel721> how do I do that???
[06:41] <sabmoc|work> Mguel721: why are you trying to compile bluefish, it is in the apt repository. just `apt-get install bluefish`
[06:42] <janc> firefox 1.0.1 misses some 'gnome-style' icons
[06:42] <dweaver> My initial installl had sound although low volume.  I did the update that was recommended through GNOME today and now I don't have any sound.  This was why I left MS!
[06:42] <geneo93> i would not use ie if you paid me a 100 bucks a use
[06:42] <janc> but the Gnome-FX theme has them right...
[06:42] <sabmoc|work> Square: my problem is photoshop, its hard to break that addiction. Not that gimp isnt great, it really is awesome. I use gimp and photoshop.
[06:43] <madstop> thing about windows is, there are a lot of great apps that don't (yet?) have as good alternatives in linux.  At least not that are easy for a newbie like me to find and run
[06:43] <^thehatsrule^> theres no photoshop for linux?
[06:43] <Tugg> no
[06:43] <sabmoc|work> ^thehatsrule^: nope
[06:43] <madstop> and I'm referring to free or open source stuff
[06:43] <geneo93> dweaver:   you have warty or hoary
[06:43] <Tugg> gimp is better thought
[06:43] <^thehatsrule^> good thing for windows is GAMES! :D
[06:43] <madstop> I hate the media players in linux so far
[06:43] <Square> mine was normaly games my mmorpgs, but sick of them now lol
[06:43] <^thehatsrule^> xine is nice
[06:43] <calc> totem-xine is good as well
[06:43] <Tugg> cause it has 90% of the features and doesnt cost an arm a leg and a right nut
[06:43] <madstop> except xine, and even there, I prefer Bsplayer in windows
[06:44] <sabmoc|work> votes for totem-xine
[06:44] <farruinn> madstop: imo multi-media is the linux desktop's weakest point
[06:44] <calc> photoshop used to be available for solaris but not for linux
[06:44] <sabmoc|work> farruinn: color management is pretty weak too
[06:44] <mhandl> Does anybody knows , how to set up default sound card, when you have onboard VIA 82xx, SB Audigy + USB Logitech WebCam, I can not get a sound from it.
[06:44] <madstop> I agree, farruinn.  Of course, adding to the problem, with ubuntu especially, is the whole proprietary software tangle
[06:45] <Mguel721> sabmoc|work: I got this in return - E: Couldn't find package bluefish
[06:45] <dweaver> geneo93: I have hoary.  I've always been about the bleeding edge.
[06:45] <janc> sabmoc|work : Adobe has just released their GUI-description-code as open source, so maybe that will help a linux port  ;-)
[06:45] <sabmoc|work> Mguel721: you need to add universe to your apt repository list. check the documentation.
[06:45] <farruinn> madstop: that there is the big problem, closed formats, etc
[06:45] <geneo93> dweaver:  same here
[06:45] <Square> my only complaint about ubuntu is the apt repositories are a bit broken at the moment hopefully fixed soon
[06:46] <Quinn_Storm> Square: mine are fine...what are you having troubles with?
[06:46] <geneo93> dweaver:  used mandrake for years till i found this
[06:46] <farruinn> Square: broken? ow?
[06:46] <janc> http://opensource.adobe.com/
[06:46] <farruinn> or how?
[06:46] <Square> kernel source for horry not in it for one
[06:46] <sabmoc|work> janc yes, but as far as i've heard its is just c++ templates for gui's which is nice, but not going to give us photoshop anytime soon.
[06:46] <janc> not yet, but it might help
[06:46] <Pawnomatic> ubuntu rocks
[06:47] <sabmoc|work> janc yes
[06:47] <Mguel721> sabmoc|work who do I view the documentation?
[06:47] <Pawnomatic> just had to tell somone
[06:47] <sabmoc|work> Pawnomatic: we know
[06:47] <Square> and a few other packages ive tried to install complaind about missing files
[06:47] <Mguel721> where do I go
[06:47] <Pawnomatic> it just makes me so happy..... haha
[06:47] <Mguel721> can u please help
[06:47] <janc> OTOH, if The GIMP would use liblcms, that would help professional graphics designers too...
[06:47] <sabmoc|work> Mguel721: yes
[06:47] <madstop> Square, Ive had similar problems.
[06:47] <sabmoc|work> Mguel721: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[06:48] <Mguel721> thanx
[06:48] <calc> Square: i'm downloading the linux source off the mirror right now, perhaps your system is broken?
[06:48] <dweaver> Yeh, that was my last distro too.  In fact I was looking at loading Mandrake tonight now that my audio has quit.  I just like Ubuntu too much to switch right now.
[06:48] <sabmoc|work> janc I hear it does now, they finally got the message.
[06:48] <sirukin> anyone canadian here?
[06:48] <sabmoc|work> me, eh!
[06:49] <DarthFrog> dweaver: I've been running Mandrake for years, ever since Mdk 7.0.  I've decided to switch to Ubuntu.
[06:49] <geneo93> dweaver:  i have cooker 10.2 on here along with slack 10.0 and suse 9.2
[06:49] <DarthFrog> sirukin: Eh?  :-)  I'm in BC.
[06:49] <janc> well, anyone doing work for print can't do that without decent CMYK support...
[06:49] <farruinn> dweaver: if the audio problem is caused by a kernel upgrade you could just boot with the older kernel...
[06:49] <sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: me2
[06:49] <dweaver> DarthFrog: What made you switch?
[06:50] <Square> I dont know but the source for 2.6.10 isnt listed in synaptic
[06:50] <sirukin> I'd like to start a canadian local team
[06:50] <sirukin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamHowto
[06:50] <geneo93> dweaver:  its not cutting edge anymore
[06:50] <sirukin> strip down the hoary release, update packages, release
[06:50] <sirukin> hoary preview*
[06:50] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Both positive and negative features.  I was getting really, really annoyed with Mandrake's update policy, that things are pretty much only available to club members.
[06:50] <dweaver> geneo93: damn- don't have the horsepower to run that many distros.
[06:51] <sabmoc|work> sirukin: wow, interesting
[06:51] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Aside from any political issues, Ubuntu is a superb linux.
[06:51] <dweaver> farrium: I am just back to linux, how hard is that?
[06:51] <DarthFrog> dweaver: And politically, I really like Ubuntu's credo.  I love the concept of ubuntu.
[06:51] <geneo93> oh i have 6 scsi's plus two 75 gig ides
[06:51] <sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: what political issues?
[06:51] <sirukin> mmm
[06:52] <DarthFrog> dweaver: and lastly, Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, is in the Isle of Man.  That's where I'm from. :-)
[06:52] <sirukin> ubuntu "has" it, the other distro's are aimed at the developer or bussiness workstation
[06:52] <geneo93> dweaver:  this is a dualy
[06:52] <DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: The Ubuntu manifesto.
[06:52] <janc> 'humanity to others'?  :)
[06:52] <sirukin> Ubuntu is for the user, and it just simply....rocks as far as maintaining the gnu in gnu/linux
[06:52] <sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: whats wrong with a manifesto?
[06:53] <madstop> well put, sirukin
[06:53] <dweaver> DarthFrog: Please expand on the political issue w/ Ubuntu.  Being the ugly American I tend to be politiclly niave(sp)
[06:53] <madstop> why do I find myself thinking that gnome has a very different mindset and attitude toward users, though?
[06:54] <DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: Nothing.  I'm saying that's one of the things I love about Ubuntu.
[06:54] <madstop> I don't know anything about the gnome project, but a lot of their choices seem less than user-friendly
[06:54] <dweaver> The guy behind Ubuntu went to space, right?
[06:54] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Go to www.ubuntu.com and read it.  Then come back.
[06:54] <madstop> The man behind canonical went to space
[06:55] <madstop> I assume ubuntu existed in some form prior to Canonical's backing, I don't know --
[06:55] <sabmoc|work> I dont think so
[06:55] <DarthFrog> Mark Shuttleworth got $500 million for the sale of Thawte Consulting to Verisign.  He was a space tourist. :-)
[06:55] <sirukin> anyone else from canada?
[06:55] <DarthFrog> madstop: Nope.  Ubuntu is crunchy new. :-)
[06:55] <sabmoc|work> hmmm
[06:55] <sabmoc|work> kekeke
[06:56] <sabmoc|work> ok, shutup all of you, i must work!
[06:56] <janc> lol
[06:56] <dweaver> DarthFrog:  Sorry, I am not one to ask questions before reading the faq.  Just been sitting here drinking and asked the question.  I'll do my research.
[06:56] <mhandl> sirukin: I,m from BC
[06:56] <DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: Don't let us disturb you. :-)
[06:56] <Square> its realy amazing how fast ubuntu has grown, last year hardly anyones heard of it, now its right up with mandrake/redhat/debian
[06:56] <sirukin> yeah, get thee to work
[06:56] <DarthFrog> dweaver: It's just that they explain it better than I could.
[06:57] <madstop> great for debian itself, to have ubuntu drawing in so many new users
[06:58] <DarthFrog> madstop: And with Ubuntu being a great desktop Debian, it also promotes the ideals of Debian.
[06:58] <geneo93> well i shyed away from debian for a long time
[06:58] <dweaver> DarthFrog: OK, I justg thought you were one of those Read The Faq Stupid kind of people.
[06:58] <Square> maybe debain will realse a new version soon, 3.0 getting pritty old lol
[06:58] <Xenguy> (and credit to debian too, for being that 'awesome foundation' :-)
[06:58] <Xenguy> DarthFrog: absolutely
[06:59] <DarthFrog> dweaver: No, I'm not.  If it's obvious that someone wants me to do their work for them,  I can be ... difficult. :-)  But if someone is asking honestly, I try to be helpful.
[06:59] <geneo93> the so called intergation of python makes it great
[06:59] <dweaver> geneo93: what brought you to Ubuntu if you shyed away from debian?
[07:00] <DarthFrog> geneo93: There's nothing so-called about it.  Ubuntu has offered a bounty for getting greater use of Python in the wider community.
[07:00] <geneo93> well mandrake is like lost all itss good developers so whats one to do
[07:00] <DarthFrog> dweaver: We were all newbies once.  I try to remember that. :-)
[07:01] <DarthFrog> And there still a significant part of me that holds onto the idealism of the '60's. :-)
[07:01] <Square> last time I installed mandrake its f'ed up my mbr so bad I had to low level format to use hda.. never useing it again
[07:01] <janc> what I like about Ubuntu : it tries to be nice to newbies without shying away experienced users
[07:01] <madstop> I'm not even a programmer, and only marginally computer literate, but what little I've seen of python in use, really impresses me.  I may actually try to learn it.
[07:01] <dweaver> DarthFrog:  I guess I am a Newbie once again.  Now if we can just do that with virginity!
[07:01] <jdub> DarthFrog: ubuntu is more than just "desktop" debian :)
[07:01] <madstop> when I grow some more brain cells.
[07:01] <DarthFrog> janc: Zigzactly!  it's great for beginner and expert, alike.
[07:01] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: if you can get on irc and use ubuntu you're fairly computer literate
[07:02] <FlyNavy> Hello everyone
[07:02] <calamari> hi
[07:02] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  its something some others have been riping on me about python being slow .i just didn't say it right
[07:02] <DarthFrog> jdub: How do you see it?
[07:02] <dweaver> FlyNavy: What did you fly?
[07:02] <Xenguy> jdub: How would you characterize Ubuntu then?
[07:02] <JDahl> is there a deeper reason why Canonical is pursuing Arch instead of subversion, or is that just a matter of coincidence?
[07:02] <FlyNavy> H2 Seasprite
[07:02] <madstop> thank you Quinn_Storm ; unfortunately, when it comes to the programming side of things, I've never made it past "hello world!" in anything!
[07:02] <DarthFrog> geneo93: If python is too slow, let them code C. :-)
[07:03] <geneo93> hey i have subversion
[07:03] <jdub> DarthFrog: it kicks butt for servers too, it just happens to have a really awesome desktop
[07:03] <Xenguy> jdub: I see where yer coming from
[07:03] <Quinn_Storm> madstop: that I understand, not everyone's a programmer
[07:03] <geneo93> python just kills php
[07:03] <DarthFrog> jdub: Not arguing against using Ubuntu for servers but why wouldn't you use regular Debian for that?
[07:04] <Xenguy> DarthFrog: a fair question IMO
[07:04] <jdub> DarthFrog: because ubuntu is newer, has excellent security support, etc.
[07:04] <sabmoc|work> Is the server end of ubuntu substantially different from debian?
[07:04] <FlyNavy> Can anyone help with display problems on install?
[07:04] <jdub> DarthFrog: big difference betweeen warty and woody :)
[07:04] <DarthFrog> jdub: OK, I've not investigated that.
[07:04] <geneo93> twisted and nevou
[07:05] <Xenguy> jdub: well newer isn't always better :-) , and I think Debian has excellent security support really
[07:05] <janc> geneo93 : 'nevow'  :)
[07:05] <madstop> jdub, how much influence, if any, does the ubuntu team have with the gnome developers?  Is there cooperation happening there?
[07:05] <jdub> Xenguy: it's very difficult to provide solid support for woody
[07:05] <DarthFrog> jdub: Yeah, woody is old now.  But sarge isn't.
[07:05] <pinPoint> anyone with experience concerning ndiswrapper and wireless nic
[07:05] <geneo93> well i forgot how to spell
[07:05] <jdub> madstop: lots of gnome people involved in ubuntu
[07:05] <Xenguy> jdub: that will change RSN :-)
[07:05] <jdub> madstop: i do release strategy for ubuntu, and am release manager of gnome
[07:06] <janc> geneo93 : it's 'woven' spelled backwards
[07:06] <sig> anyone know what package  mpeg2encode comes in?
[07:06] <janc> 'woven' was the predecessor of 'nevow'
[07:06] <jdub> Xenguy: mmm, it's been RSN for a long time now. meanwhile, i trust the ubuntu release cycle and security team. :)
[07:06] <geneo93> lots of threads
[07:06] <madstop> Ah, jdub. Great.  Well, since this ain't the "gnome channel" I'll try to restrain myelf from interrogating you about gnome
[07:06] <Square> woody is too old for some newer hardware
[07:06] <Xenguy> jdub: hence my smiley - it's a bone of contention, for sure
[07:06] <madstop> especially since I need to do my homework on it
[07:07] <pinPoint> my wireless card says its active yet it never DHCP
[07:07] <DarthFrog> jdub: Let's agree, then, that Ubuntu makes for a truly excellent desktop Linux.
[07:07] <pinPoint> it doenst do anything
[07:07] <Xenguy> DarthFrog: I'll raise my glass to that :-)
[07:07] <DarthFrog> Xenguy: I just did. :-)  Rum & coke.
[07:08] <pinPoint> iwlist wlan0 scan returns "No Scan results"
[07:08] <geneo93> yuk
[07:08] <pinPoint> i have the network ssid and key correct
[07:08] <Xenguy> DarthFrog: beer here, er, hear hear! :-)
[07:08] <siruki> hmm
[07:08] <siruki> weired
[07:08] <siruki> weird*
[07:08] <siruki> atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e03e <keycode>' to make it known.
[07:08] <Quinn_Storm> pinPoint: if you are using a non-broadcasted ssid you shouldn't be able to pick it up on scan, should you?
[07:08] <siruki> x froze on that
[07:08] <siruki> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17705
[07:08] <pinPoint> you're right
[07:08] <pinPoint> so then why doesnt it work
[07:08] <bryan> siruki:  multimedia keyboard?
[07:09] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Can it connect with out encryption?
[07:09] <pinPoint> the ssid is correct and key
[07:09] <pinPoint> well im using the Network app
[07:09] <madstop> jdub, any chance that gdesklets, (speaking of cool python stuff) might be integrated into gnome/ubuntu, and made easier for folks to use out of the box?
[07:09] <Quinn_Storm> pinPoint: I don't know...don't know enough about wireless under linux, I'm using a win bridge machine to connect to my wireless b/c my card isn't linux supported
[07:09] <pinPoint> doesnt give that much options at all
[07:09] <chisno> hi
[07:09] <dweaver> can someone explain in a few short words how Ubuntu is going to differ from Debian in the future?  I heard on an interview that they were going to fork buthen merge changes back in, is this correect?
[07:09] <sabmoc|work> hmm
[07:09] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: My advice would be to turn off encryption on the router and get it working that way first.
[07:10] <sabmoc|work> I thought I told you all to stop chatting and go home.
[07:10] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Yes.
[07:10] <madstop> I mean to say, offered with the default install, I know gdesklets are available, just tricky for a noob to use...
[07:10] <pinPoint> turn it off?
[07:10] <pinPoint> eek
[07:10] <DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: But I'm at home, Kemo Sabe!
[07:10] <sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: ok, you can stay, everybody else go home.
[07:11] <dweaver> I'm home also, must be time for another beer.
[07:11] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Well, don't do any on-line banking during that time. :-)  Other than that, what do you care?
[07:11] <janc> hm, seems like MonoDevelop isn't really very stable yet...
[07:11] <madstop> sabmoc|work, have another drink and get back to work, dammit
[07:11] <jdub> madstop: doubt it
[07:11] <sabmoc|work> madstop: but I only had 1 beer left and its half gone already.
[07:11] <dweaver> Anybody working with Mono yet?
[07:11] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: so its ok if someone enters your network at home from outside
[07:12] <siruki> hmm
[07:12] <siruki> sorry
[07:12] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: I flirted with it for a while. The mono channel on irc.gnome.org is pretty good.
[07:12] <madstop> ok jdub, how about this -- wholescale stealing of kde applets to add to the panel options in gnome?  starting with the kde screenshot app -- gnome's is primitive in comparison...
[07:12] <siruki> was watching the thing on history tv about the canadian snipers
[07:12] <pinPoint> it doesnt work with key disabled
[07:12] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You're only talking about a short while.  And if you're all that hot & bothered about it, disconnect the router from its net connection; the DHCP server will still work and you can ping the router for testing.
[07:13] <dweaver> sabmoc:  I just picked up a new keg today.  You are welcome to stop by.
[07:13] <siruki> yeah, it's a logitech access keyboard
[07:13] <sabmoc|work> oh man
[07:13] <siruki> any ideas?
[07:13] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: not working... key is disabled
[07:13] <Marble2> okay, some stuff in my gnome setup is really messed up. my mouse doesn'
[07:13] <pinPoint> pinged yahoo.com
[07:13] <Marble2> *doesn't work at the gnome login screen
[07:13] <Marble2> and some stuff pops up every time I login
[07:13] <mark_> where do you find video card settings
[07:13] <Marble2> I don't know how to make it not do that, messing with stuff in session properties does nothign
[07:13] <dweaver> sabmoc: do you work with .Net?
[07:14] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: OK, now you know that it wasn't your encryption setup.  You have to get the basic functionality working before enabling WEP/WPA.
[07:14] <sabmoc|work> "some stuff" can you be more specific?
[07:14] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: no
[07:14] <madstop> half the time hoary turns my touchpad off at boot.  fortunately there's a button I can push to start it, on this laptop.
[07:14] <Marble2> sabmoc|work: opens a nautilus in my user home and opens session setup
[07:14] <pinPoint> it installed without problems
[07:14] <janc> dweaver : I need C# for evening school, so want to use it, if possible...
[07:14] <pinPoint> not this again
[07:14] <pinPoint> crap
[07:14] <mark_> or how do you access the settings in ubuntu
[07:15] <siruki> hmm
[07:16] <siruki> hmm
[07:16] <geneo93> i would like to see a complete wm built with python
[07:16] <madstop> Worst annoyance in hoary so far for me is, much of the time I'm not permitted to save stuff on the desktop, or the icons get pushed half way off the screen, and some apps open partway hidden by panels
[07:16] <sabmoc|work> janc having taken programming I can say that your probably going to need a windows machine, not that mono isnt awesome, it is. But chances are your going to be doing some windows.forms stuff and god knows what else and for that your probably going to have to spend more time than its worth screwing with mono.
[07:16] <siruki> any ideas?
[07:17] <siruki> gnome/xorg freezes
[07:17] <dweaver> janc: I am currently developing C# on windows.   I am looking into using it at home to further my knowledge.  I am not encouraged with its current state but am hoeful.
[07:17] <sabmoc|work> siruki have you graded everything?
[07:17] <janc> sabmoc|work : we have both VB.NET & C#, and I use SharpDevelop on Windows now
[07:17] <siruki> upgraded?
[07:17] <siruki> I just left it downloading packages now
[07:17] <janc> but for C# we don't use Windows.Forms
[07:17] <dweaver> Windows.Forms is coming soon for Mono.
[07:18] <madstop> sabmoc, back to work man.  no more beer.  you're dropping syllabes
[07:18] <nicedreams> has anyone noticed a big problem with Hoary Preview 1?
[07:18] <sabmoc|work> siruki make sure everything is up to date, then do `dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg` because if its crashing its probably not setup right.
[07:18] <nicedreams> performance decrease and stuff
[07:18] <sabmoc|work> madstop: lol
[07:18] <siruki> mmm
[07:18] <siruki> kay
[07:18] <siruki> I'll try that
[07:19] <dweaver> My only problem with Hoary so far is that my audio stopped working.
[07:19] <nicedreams> yea..that too
[07:19] <siruki> heh
[07:19] <bryan> nicedreams:  it's a little laggy for me, and i've got 2.8ghz P4 with 1024MB ram
[07:19] <nicedreams> i installed fluxbox and sound works fine
[07:19] <geneo93> nicedreams:  apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:19] <nicedreams> laggy for me too
[07:19] <siruki> vlc and mplayer as well as totem won't use the correct sound device
[07:19] <nicedreams> geneo93: I did about 20 mins ago
[07:19] <sabmoc|work> janc monodevelop is pretty nice, im not sure how it stacks vs sharpdevelop because I never got around to using sharpdevelop.
[07:19] <siruki> the onboard sound card is what I want to disable, and it uses it for some things
[07:19] <nicedreams> and 12 hours before that
[07:19] <siruki> hmm
[07:20] <bryan> well, i actually only have 768 to use, because my onboard video uses up 128MB of it
[07:20] <nicedreams> sound works in fluxbox
[07:20] <nicedreams> try it out
[07:20] <DarthFrog> siruki: Wouldn't you disable the on-board sound card in the BIOS?
[07:20] <geneo93> everythings working fine for me
[07:20] <dweaver> laggy? I'm on a 433 laptop and love it.  ... OK, I switched from XP trying to do .Net development.:)
[07:20] <nicedreams> geneo93: did you upgrade or install from cd preview 1?
[07:20] <sabmoc|work> waddles away to work
[07:21] <DarthFrog> bryan: That's way too much memory to give onboard video.  32 MB would be plenty.
[07:21] <geneo93> upgrade from warty
[07:21] <janc> sharpdevelop has a gui designer & all
[07:21] <nicedreams> turn off on board video and get a real video card
[07:21] <bryan> DarthFrog:  i shouldn't need more then 512 to for everything to run smoothly
[07:21] <dweaver> janc: what is sharpdeveolp?
[07:21] <siruki> DarthFrog: I am using windows, and it needs the onboard sound or it produces artefacts
[07:22] <Quinn_Storm> dweaver: its a very nice IDE for doing .NET development for windows...not sure if its available for other platforms
[07:22] <bryan> lets just say, XP is atleast 30% faster in response times compared to Hoary
[07:22] <janc> dweaver : open source IDE for .NET on Windows
[07:22] <nicedreams> siruki upgrade your windows drivers
[07:22] <nicedreams> siruki, wait, you get artifacts with it on?
[07:22] <DarthFrog> bryan: Perhaps.  But Linux uses RAM very efficiently.  You're depriving it of RAM that it could otherwise use for buffers/cache.
[07:22] <nicedreams> siruki, err off i mian
[07:22] <nicedreams> mean
[07:22] <dweaver> So stick with Mono on Linux?
[07:23] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: if your on linux, mono is your best option
[07:23] <sabmoc|work> lol @ DarthFrog
[07:23] <bryan> DarthFrog:  right now with bittorrent downloading @ 400kB/s and 4 tabs of firefox open + xchat ahd GAIM i'm only using up 250MB
[07:23] <janc> sabmoc|work : after using BASIC on my ZX Spectrum & then GW Basic, I've used Turbo Pascal a lot   :-)
[07:23] <DarthFrog> bryan: Your call.
[07:24] <janc> hm, I should check FreePascal on Ubuntu...
[07:24] <Square> I miss C64 basic ;)
[07:24] <dweaver> Am on Linux at home now, had enough and just loaded Ubuntu over XP.  Still on windows at work but have to work with VS.Net there.
[07:24] <bryan> that still leaves 650mb to either be cached or sit unused
[07:24] <geneo93> hey i have two chat client gong getting updates and watching tv
[07:24] <sabmoc|work> janc: nice, did you know the man who invented turbo pascal is head of the C# development team
[07:24] <DarthFrog> bryan: It won't sit unused. :-)
[07:25] <dweaver> FreePascal?  Anything like PowerBuilder?
[07:25] <janc> sabmoc|work : he invented Delphi, not Turbo Pascal
[07:25] <sabmoc|work> janc ah my bad
[07:25] <sabmoc|work> same thing :P
[07:25] <bryan> I'm probably going to end up splurging on a nice new video card and motherboard
[07:25] <janc> dweaver : FreePascal is an Object Pascal compiler
[07:26] <siruki> hmmm
[07:26] <sabmoc|work> dont forget to scoop
[07:26] <janc> Lazarus is an open source RAD tool like Delphi
[07:26] <dweaver> Isn't PowerBuilder based on Pascal?
[07:26] <siruki> bryan: we share a name
[07:26] <janc> which uses FreePascal
[07:26] <geneo93> bryan:  get a quad xeon
[07:26] <janc> i've never used PowerBuilder
[07:26] <bryan> no need for that
[07:26] <sabmoc|work> geneo93: no, get a dual amd64 with pci-express and an nvidia-quadro card, ooooOOooooo.....
[07:27] <bryan> i'd rather wait for dual core chips
[07:27] <linux_galore> always try gambas or "realbasic"
[07:27] <janc> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
[07:27] <geneo93> not me i shy away from amd
[07:27] <madstop> I'm loving amd64 so far, but I'm no expert.
[07:27] <bryan> i've never had an AMD, but the FX series looks tempting
[07:28] <zenrox> geneo93,  2 irc clients both open on 2 different macines all on one montor
[07:28] <sabmoc|work> dualcore opterons will own all your bases!
[07:28] <zenrox>  bbl
[07:28] <linux_galore> wtf -f gambas|grep -i "http//":
[07:28] <sabmoc|work> zmog!!
[07:28] <bryan> but i'll stick my with P4 for now, 2.8ghz should last me a while
[07:28] <dweaver> I know while I was getting a beer something was said about Python, but I have to ask a question.  Is Python something an MS Developer should try to learn if switching to Linux or would you recomend something else?
[07:28] <geneo93> bryan:  i'd like to have one of those dual mini itx jobs
[07:28] <membreya> bryan: getting a bit dated :P
[07:28] <Square> silly question perhaps but does linux on amd 64 support running 32 bit apps
[07:29] <bryan> membreya:  hardly
[07:29] <linux_galore> wtf -f gambas|grep -i http::
[07:29] <linux_galore>  http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
[07:29] <membreya> Square: it does, but you have to chroot it
[07:29] <Square> k
[07:29] <bryan> 2.8ghz P4 still beats any 32bit athlon
[07:29] <membreya> my bad bryan .. i think my amd64 3200 is dated
[07:29] <janc> dweaver : every developer should learn python
[07:29] <janc> windows, linux, macosx, whatever
[07:29] <bryan> i've been trying some python
[07:29] <ells> does anyone know why gtkpod wont import mp4s
[07:29] <bryan> it's pretty easy
[07:30] <dweaver> janc: Python can develop GUI apps, right?
[07:30] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: its not so much how many languages you learn, its more how well you solve difficult problems and for that you need to be very good at what you do which needs focus. Also, onces you've mastered a language and solve very difficult problems with it, it is easy to pick up another one.
[07:30] <linux_galore> ells: mp3's ?
[07:30] <geneo93> dweaver:  yes
[07:30] <ells> no, mp4
[07:30] <janc> you can write everything you wish in python
[07:30] <dampjam> Any suggestions on getting 3d acceleration to work with xorg? I have te 82852/855GM Intel integrated graphics
[07:30] <ells> you know aac files
[07:30] <linux_galore> ells: mp4 is video
[07:31] <ells> AAC files
[07:31] <janc> there is even an OS-kernel written in Python  ;-)
[07:31] <madstop> I think gdesklets are python, and zope and plone are, aren't they?
[07:31] <Square> learning a language is easy, applying that knolage to something useful is the hard part
[07:31] <ells> linux_galore, I am certain that mp4 is audio, apple
[07:31] <janc> zope & plone are python, yes
[07:31] <bryan> arn't mp4's what you download from itunes
[07:31] <ells> linux_galore, ipod
[07:31] <ells> gtkpod wont import them
[07:32] <ells> linux_galore, they will only take mp3
[07:32] <ells> linux_galore, no AAC files, why
[07:32] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: just learn html
[07:32] <bryan> sabmoc|work:  XHTML!
[07:33] <janc> xhtml 2.0 ?  :)
[07:33] <sabmoc|work> no wait.. XDHAFLKFSHDHTML!!
[07:33] <madstop> wtf
[07:33] <bryan> how about XSGML
[07:33] <madstop> my keyboard is flaking out on me...
[07:33] <sabmoc|work> how about xul?
[07:33] <geneo93> just learn python and you dont need all that silly shit
[07:34] <janc> my first bug report ever was for the xhtml 2 spec, and that's still not released  :)
[07:34] <ells> anyone know why the gtkpod wont import the mp4 from the ipod
[07:35] <tsaphah> why is ubuntu set to use a pre 1.0 version of firefox?  Is it not possible to get a newer version without compiling my own?
[07:35] <linux_galore> oops
[07:35] <linux_galore> could be you dont have hfs support
[07:35] <siimo> tsaphah ?
[07:35] <Quinn_Storm> tsaphah: if you've updated your system you should have the most recent version
[07:36] <linux_galore> time to go
[07:36] <janc> warty has an older version of Firefox
[07:36] <dweaver> Sabmoc: yes, I know that.  I have been developing for almost 20 years now and have seen many people that judge themselves by the languages that they know.  I am just looking to start developing on an OS that I like rather than one that I am forced to and was curious as to what I should look into.  I know that most development on linux is done in c but I am not that anal.  If there is an easy tool I'll use it.
[07:36] <tsaphah> hrm .. I'll try the apt stuff again.
[07:36] <siimo> hi, can someone please tell me how to change my system so that  httpd will not start at bootup and i can start it whenever i want by /etc/init.d/httpd start
[07:37] <geneo93> dweaver:  try qt designer
[07:37] <dweaver> Does anyone here  have any experience syncing an Axim to GNOME?
[07:37] <tsaphah> ah, I see the problem.  Source list is only set for security and archive :P
[07:38] <bryan> ewww
[07:38] <dweaver> geneo93: Is that language independent or does it rely on a specific language?
[07:38] <bryan> qt sucks
[07:38] <geneo93> tsaphah:  tick then all the update
[07:38] <janc> tsaphah : the warty release doesn't have FF 1.0 yet
[07:38] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: Alright, sorry. Its nice to see experienced people moving to Linux! So many experienced windows admins or hackers are so set in there ways and afraid of Linux (I think because they have no real skils and have gotten by mostly by fooling there non-techy bosses). Anyway, yeah python is good. I judge a language by how many real applications are written in that language, python passes that test.
[07:38] <bryan> if you want easy GUI design for stuff like python and c/c++ use glade
[07:38] <geneo93> c c++
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> tsaphah, my list on http://mgalug.org/books/suse (Update it!) has a nice apt sources.list
[07:39] <dweaver> bryan: what do you recommend?
[07:39] <tsaphah> janc: ah, that would explain things.
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> i now have kde 3.4
[07:39] <tsaphah> nomasteryoda: I'll talk a look. Thanks for the pointer
[07:39] <janc> warty has FF 0.9x + security fixes
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> yup
[07:39] <janc> hoary has 1.0.1 now
[07:40] <pinPoint> ifup wlan0 hangs
[07:40] <pinPoint> in console
[07:40] <tsaphah> Does ubuntu handle switching the source files from warty to hoary without breaking too much?
[07:40] <sabmoc|work> siimo: `sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/httpd`
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> it does now
[07:41] <geneo93> tsaphah:  no
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> tsaphah, sorry about that link... it was for suse channel
[07:41] <sabmoc|work> tsaphah: I did it, and nothing borked on me.
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> oops
[07:41] <siimo> sabmoc|work, but then i cant run the script manually?
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> tired
[07:41] <tsaphah> nomasteryoda: I was wondering :P
[07:41] <sabmoc|work> siimo: hmm true, never thought of that.
[07:42] <tsaphah> sbmoc|work: k, I might give it a try. I've upgraded debian and suse systems that way without a problem, but you never now.
[07:42] <geneo93> tsaphah:  just go the whole thing
[07:43] <tsaphah> *nods* thanks folks
[07:43] <geneo93> tsaphah:  just change repositories to hoary
[07:43] <jdub> did everyone hear about the mascot competition?
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> been fighting enabling wifi here at Novell community meeting in Utah
[07:43] <dweaver> samboc: I have been around longer than I would like to admit.  I actually started with Linux because of a client I had back in '98 althought that was just an admin role.  Now I find myself looking to branch out career wise and don't think COBOL is a strong point on my resume. :)
[07:43] <sabmoc|work> siimo: update-rc.d is your friend
[07:43] <jdub> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[07:43] <janc> dweaver : many big companies still use COBOL  :)
[07:44] <sabmoc|work> dweaver: lol
[07:44] <dweaver> I will never go back to the Green Screen.
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:44] <janc> banks & the like
[07:44] <sabmoc|work> siimo: do `man update-rc.d` that is how to take apps out of the init system so they wont start at boot properly.
[07:44] <ginger_> can i trouble anyone with a question about sound and a Via VT82C686?
[07:45] <madstop> folks, I'd love to hear anyone's opinions on best first language for a total non-programmer to try to learn?
[07:45] <j-rock> madstop: python
[07:45] <janc> madstop : python
[07:45] <janc> :)
[07:45] <j-rock> madstop: tons of documentation
[07:45] <j-rock> madstop: just remember that you are going to HAVE to read the docs, its not an instant understanding
[07:45] <madstop> thanks!
[07:45] <sabmoc|work> madstop: html and javascript
[07:45] <Square> shell scripting
[07:46] <j-rock> heh, i've always hated html
[07:46] <sabmoc|work> html is meant to be hated
[07:46] <jdub> madstop: do you want to learn how to be a programmer, or do you just want to do stuff?
[07:46] <madstop> The tutorials for python seem excellent -- Square, you mean like perl, ? is that shell scripting?
[07:46] <Square> perl or just bash scripting
[07:47] <dweaver> madstop:  I have been looking at Python and really like it.  I don't think that a novice would have problems with the tutorial although I have been twiddling bits for a very long time and may be full of shit.
[07:47] <madstop> jdub, I'd like to know enough to alter the behaviour of open source apps I enjoy using
[07:47] <membreya> learn c :)
[07:47] <madstop> maybe develop simple programs for educational software
[07:48] <jdub> madstop: to a huge extent, that means learning C
[07:48] <dweaver> c? isn't that in the Smithsonian?
[07:48] <membreya> :P
[07:48] <sabmoc|work> jdub: cool, I think i'll fireup the old pixelatron and see what I can do! :)
[07:48] <thr1ce> anyone know where the system beep is in KDE ?
[07:48] <jdub> madstop: but you can learn "on the job" - it's worth getting your hands dirty and seeing what happens :)
[07:48] <sabmoc|work> ah the pixelatron9000.. my old friend
[07:49] <madstop> as it happens, jdub, I have been dragging a C textbook around with me (and one of my favorite wiki apps is written in c...)
[07:49] <dweaver> Anybody need a beer?  I'm going.
[07:49] <ells> anyone know what must be done so I can import my m4a files from my ipod to gtkpod
[07:49] <tsaphah> madstop: I agree with what's been said.  C & C++ - if you want down and dirty programming and mess with a lot of Open Source apps. Can't go wrong with Python or Perl though.
[07:49] <sabmoc|work> madstop: wiki written in C? which one?
[07:49] <sirukin> h
[07:49] <sirukin> ha
[07:50] <madstop> that's something that seems nice about python; the programs seem very literate and helpfully written, easy to follow
[07:50] <sabmoc|work> madstop: dont forget to learn assembly
[07:50] <farruinn> heheh
[07:50] <tsaphah> *chuckles*
[07:51] <janc> madstop : that's right
[07:51] <madstop> WxWikiserver -- a "personal wiki" thing.  Excellent.  I've heard it runs with wine, haven't tried it, sabmoc|work
[07:51] <ells> anyone know what must be done so I can import my m4a files from my ipod to gtkpod
[07:51] <madstop> assembly, sabmoc|work -- jesus!  don't mess with the noob's head, ok?  lol
[07:51] <geneo93> ells:  ubuntu wiki
[07:52] <ells> geneo93, is there one about it on the site
[07:52] <dweaver> What the hell,  I just decided to get you all a round.  I just poored it in my scanner, hope you enjoy it.
[07:52] <geneo93> prolly
[07:52] <DarthFrog> re
[07:52] <membreya> thanks dweaver :)
[07:52] <sabmoc|work> madstop: even though they laughed I was serious. assembly is great and it will help you to understand what is ACTUALLY going on inside the cpu. Im not saying you need to write apps in it for a living, but spend a month with an assembly book at least once in your life. Trust me.
[07:53] <dweaver> janc: probably not as good as your beer, its Canadian.
[07:53] <geneo93> dweaver:  hope thats full bodied beer not much for lite beers
[07:53] <sabmoc|work> mmmm beer...
[07:53] <membreya> has to be stellar dweaver :)
[07:53] <madstop> like I said, I've never made it past "hello world!" in anything yet, so who knows...
[07:53] <membreya> stella even :|
[07:53] <tsaphah> madstop: I'd agree with sabmoc, its nice to look at the assembly your compiler gernerates and have a clue what's being done :)
[07:54] <geneo93> dweaver:  i like labatts blue
[07:54] <membreya> i have like 28 bottles of wine here, but gf won't let me drink :(
[07:54] <DarthFrog> membreya: You need a new gf.
[07:54] <sabmoc|work> madstop: spend a month on assembly, you'll be glad you did, but maybe wait until you understand more than just the basics of programming.
[07:54] <membreya> lol DarthFrog ..she has a point.. i tend to binge and spew blood :|
[07:54] <dweaver> geneo93: while I brew my own and prefer good ales,  we keep Molson Canadian on tap to please the wife and neighbors.
[07:54] <tsaphah> madstop: I prefer C++ myself, but that's just becuase its what I do most of my work in.
[07:54] <janc> dweaver : I hope your scanner enjoys it :)
[07:54] <sabmoc|work> membreya: omg!
[07:55] <sabmoc|work> zmog!!!
[07:55] <DarthFrog> membreya: Um, yes. She does have a point.  Slow down, man!
[07:55] <geneo93> dweaver:  thats good beer
[07:55] <membreya> i drink to get blitzed :)
[07:55] <sabmoc|work> teh zmog!
[07:55] <madstop> thanks for the advice guys!  heh, I notice nobody has said anything about java --- ;)
[07:55] <dweaver> membreya:  if you aren't going to drink them, I will take very good care of them.
[07:55] <DarthFrog> membreya: That's a bad road to go down, my man.  Seriously.
[07:55] <janc> sabmoc|work : might be better to learn 8080 assembler or something like that though
[07:56] <geneo93> dweaver:  i'm retired so i cant afford much
[07:56] <janc> maybe 8086 assmebler
[07:56] <membreya> dweaver: ..they're mostly whites so I have to drink them in the next year
[07:56] <sabmoc|work> janc its been a while :)
[07:56] <janc> but not the mess of x86/MMX/MMX2/SSE/SSE2/etc./etc./etc.
[07:56] <janc> :)
[07:56] <dweaver> membreya: don'rt we all.  it is just that some of us want it to taste better along the way.
[07:56] <tsaphah> Anyone by chance know of a good doc on getting Toshiba's laptop controls to work? I'd really like to turn down the monitor brightness.
[07:57] <membreya> dweaver: :P
[07:57] <membreya> I only drink about 3 or 4 bottles at a time :(
[07:57] <geneo93> tsaphah:  just move the thing
[07:58] <sabmoc|work> tsaphah: have you googled?
[07:58] <madstop> membreya, I hope your liver is as patient as your gf must be...
[07:58] <dweaver> tsaphah:  I just put Ubuntu on my toshiba and would like to know the same.  I have problems with brightness and audio.
[07:59] <janc> 7h58 now...   :)
[07:59] <membreya> im more patient with her madstop ....she broke my nose once so I gave her a cuddle :P
[07:59] <janc> bye  :)
[07:59] <DarthFrog> janc: where are you/
[07:59] <DarthFrog> ?
[07:59] <janc> bruges, belgium
[07:59] <DarthFrog> janc: Ooh, you have good beer! :-)
[07:59] <janc> yeah  :)
[07:59] <dampjam> When I try to add: kernel-headers-2.6-686 I got the error: Depends: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 but it is not installable
[08:00] <dweaver> DarthFrog: Are you in the states?
[08:00] <DarthFrog> dweaver: No, British Columbia
[08:00] <membreya> DarthFrog: ...they export their crap beer to the rest of the world (stella) ...their domestic beer rules over anything I've ever drunk
[08:00] <madstop> ouch membreya -- I've heard of crying in your beer, but, bleeding in your wine?  ouuuuch
[08:00] <DarthFrog> membreya: Oh, there's many other Belgian beers besides Stella that I can buy here.
[08:00] <dweaver> DarthFrog: Well then, I raise my Molson Canadian to you. :)
[08:01] <tsaphah> sabmoc: yeah, its been touch and go on fighting anything useful. Tidbits hear and there but nothing to get me closer to my goal.
[08:01] <DarthFrog> dweaver: yech!  Molson's.  Putrid stuff.
[08:01] <janc> DarthFrog : any good Belgien beers available there?
[08:01] <membreya> DarthFrog: lucky :(
[08:01] <tsaphah> lol fighting = finding.. darn war movies in my brain
[08:01] <sirukin> zeedo, boo.
[08:01] <madstop> Best beer, Mexican, Negra Modelo.  forget about Corona.
[08:01] <membreya> belgium make the best beer in the world
[08:01] <madstop> Moosehead!
[08:01] <DarthFrog> janc: Well, the few I've had, I'be liked.  Unfortunately, I have diabetes so can't be as ... dedicated as I'd otherwise like to be. :-)
[08:02] <geneo93> san migal
[08:02] <ut> hey
[08:02] <janc> aw, too bad  :-/
[08:02] <dweaver> DarthFrog: Down here in the lower 48 it is the best keg I can get without a mortgage.
[08:02] <pinPoint>  why wont my nic work
[08:02] <sirukin> hmm
[08:02] <membreya> hehe dweaver :P
[08:03] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Hmm.  Anchor Steam is pretty good.  And the microbrews can be excellent.
[08:03] <janc> i'm going to West-Vleteren abbey this or next month  :)
[08:03] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: What chipset does it have?
[08:03] <membreya> dweaver: blame your government, excises suck >:(
[08:03] <pinPoint> Broadcom
[08:03] <janc> http://www.sintsixtus.be/
[08:04] <DarthFrog> pinPoint:  And you are using ndiswrapper to load the Windows driver?
[08:04] <pinPoint> ya
[08:04] <janc> trapist ales only available at the monastery  :)
[08:04] <dweaver> DarthFrog: You are correct my friend, Anchor Steam is one of my favorites.  I just couldn't afford a keg of it even with your dollars. :)
[08:04] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You've checked that with lsmod?
[08:04] <pinPoint> lsmod?
[08:04] <DarthFrog> dweaver: Too bad. :-(
[08:04] <pinPoint> that wasnt mentioned at ubuntu site
[08:05] <DarthFrog> janc: That's a good thing.  Gets you out of the house. :-)
[08:05] <dweaver> janc:  I thought you were leaving
[08:05] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Open a root terminal and run lsmod.
[08:05] <janc> dweaver : right, I should be   :)
[08:05] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: It'll tell you what kernel modules are loaded.
[08:05] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: We're now in troubleshooting mode.
[08:06] <geneo93> dweaver:  noone leave when talking about the esentuals of life
[08:06] <dweaver> janc: its Saturday morning there, right?
[08:06] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: ndiswrapper is
[08:06] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You're rolling up your sleeves and looking under the covers. :-)
[08:06] <janc> dweaver : yes
[08:06] <membreya> geneo93: had a few to drink yourself there?
[08:06] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Good stuff.  Now run ifconfig.
[08:07] <janc> you guys should all come to FOSDEM in 2006  ;-)
[08:07] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: What interfaces are given?  Besides lo.
[08:07] <sirukin> hmm
[08:07] <pinPoint> eth0 sit0 wlan0
[08:07] <DarthFrog> janc: Got a spare bedroom? :-)
[08:07] <geneo93> ahh a few
[08:07] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[08:07] <janc> they have trappist ales for 2 euros there  :)
[08:07] <dweaver> janc: You gat a room?
[08:07] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: wlan0 is your wireless NIC.
[08:07] <girl> hi
[08:07] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Does wlan0 have an IP address?
[08:07] <sirukin> what an original nickname
[08:07] <DarthFrog> Hi girl
[08:07] <membreya> lol sirukin
[08:08] <dweaver> hi girl
[08:08] <geneo93> virginian moonshine
[08:08] <sirukin> rofl
[08:08] <pinPoint>  DarthFrog its ipv6
[08:08] <janc> not really a room, but like a friend of me says: you can always sleep under a bridge  ;-)
[08:08] <sirukin> that's the terminal next to mine
[08:08] <pinPoint> inte6 addr alone
[08:08] <sirukin> wtf
[08:08] <sirukin> /nick <name>
[08:08] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: run "dhclient wlan0" and then check ifconfig again to see if wlan0 picked up an IP address.
[08:08] <sirukin> sorry, my brother messing around
[08:09] <dweaver> does the bridge have a feather matress?
[08:09] <membreya> sirukin: you're startin to scare me
[08:09] <janc> and debian develoeprs can always sleep at mind.be headquarters I'm told
[08:09] <brans5> hmm
[08:09] <DarthFrog> What is FOSDEM?
[08:09] <sirukin> ok
[08:09] <janc> fosdem.org
[08:10] <janc> free/open source meeting
[08:10] <dweaver> I knew a girl known as brandon once, it was a painful operation.
[08:10] <sirukin> the system next to me is the one I setup for my sisters
[08:10] <sirukin> and my brother is using it
[08:10] <janc> in Brussels
[08:10] <sirukin> so blech
[08:10] <sabmoc> bah
[08:10] <FlyNavy> Anyone help with display problem.  Just loaded ubuntu and GUI is messed up.  Didn't happen in Suse or Redhat.
[08:10] <pinS> DarthFrog, there http://rafb.net/paste/results/IBIMZL72.html
[08:10] <sirukin> FlyNavy, what's the problem?
[08:11] <brans5> hi
[08:11] <pinS> the error from dhclient
[08:11] <FlyNavy> When I boot into gui, screen has vertical splits and mouse disappears in sections and reappears on other side.
[08:11] <dweaver> FlyNavy: how do you know what the answer will be if your display is hosed?
[08:11] <membreya> FlyNavy: what video card?
[08:11] <DarthFrog> pinS: You have disabled encryption on the router?  you're not doing MAC address filtering?
[08:12] <pinS> mac filtering yest
[08:12] <pinS> yes*
[08:12] <FlyNavy> Rage mobility
[08:12] <DarthFrog> pinS: Turn off MAC address filtering and try again.
[08:12] <janc> so now I'm really going to sleep til noon   :)
[08:12] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  didn't get that.
[08:12] <sirukin> just updated hoary
[08:12] <DarthFrog> janc: Catch ya on the flip side.
[08:13] <FlyNavy> membreya: Rage Mobility 3 or 4.  can't remember
[08:13] <sirukin> hmm
[08:14] <FlyNavy> This is an older Dell laptop.
[08:14] <sirukin> anyone interested in creating a Canadian Ubuntu Local Community Team
[08:14] <DarthFrog> sirukin: yes, but not tonight. :-)
[08:14] <sirukin> yeah, I'm just checking if anyone else would
[08:14] <brans5> ASP
[08:15] <membreya> sirukin: ask the inuits and fur seals :)
[08:15] <sirukin> haha
[08:15] <membreya> don't tell the polar bears though, they'll get all pissy
[08:15] <asdqwe> Hey, can anyone point me to a good wlan howto? My card is working and detected, I just need a howto for wlan config (changing essid/mode/DHCP..etc)
[08:15] <geneo93> dont forget the bears
[08:15] <sirukin> hmm
[08:15] <sirukin> haha
[08:15] <geneo93> black bears
[08:15] <dweaver> FlyNavy:  sorry, bad humor. I was responding to the fact that you had a display problem and wouldn't be able to see the answer.
[08:15] <pinS> DarthFrog, same thing
[08:15] <DarthFrog> asdqwe: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ might have what you want for Ubuntu.
[08:16] <DarthFrog> pinS: Nuisance.
[08:16] <pinS> ?
[08:16] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  I'm reverting to my ms box for this.
[08:16] <DarthFrog> pinS: I'm at a loss, sorry.
[08:16] <asdqwe> I havent noticed any wireless relevant stuff on ubuntuguide...
[08:16] <DarthFrog> asdqwe: man iwconfig
[08:16] <dweaver> FlyNavy: Sorry you had to do that.
[08:17] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  Guess it's too late for my humor.  2am here
[08:17] <dweaver> FlyNavy: 2am here also
[08:17] <geneo93> pinS:  reboot that thing once
[08:17] <pinS> reboot?
[08:17] <membreya> 6.15pm here
[08:18] <DarthFrog> pinS: Unplug it and plug it back in a minute.
[08:18] <dweaver> membreya: where?
[08:18] <pinS> its a minipci
[08:18] <membreya> melb, aus
[08:18] <DarthFrog> pinS: Mind you, that's grasping at straws.
[08:18] <dweaver> g'day
[08:18] <membreya> :P
[08:18] <pinS> ?
[08:18] <DarthFrog> pinS: Rebooting the router as geneo93 suggested.
[08:19] <DarthFrog> pinS: Wireless works in Windows?
[08:19] <brans5> hi
[08:19] <membreya> where abouts are you located dweaver ?
[08:19] <pinS> DarthFrog, ya
[08:19] <dweaver> membreya:I always wanted to vist, do you still require a criminal record? :)
[08:19] <DarthFrog> pinS: Well, that's encouraging.
[08:20] <DarthFrog> dweaver: LOL!
[08:20] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  i was thinking it has its own addy twice
[08:20] <DarthFrog> geneo93: It was a good suggestion.
[08:20] <membreya> dweaver: ...requirements have changed, no longer need to be a criminal, you need to be a boatperson :|
[08:20] <membreya> friggin illegals
[08:21] <dweaver> membreya: for the moment I am just north of Cincinnati,OH,USA.
[08:21] <brans5> s u b
[08:21] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  I'm from West Virginia
[08:21] <membreya> wheat country eh dweaver ?
[08:22] <dweaver> membreya: the cubans make it all the way to you?
[08:22] <membreya> no, just the afghan's, indon's, iraqi
[08:22] <membreya> s
[08:22] <membreya> africans...bloody
[08:22] <geneo93> FlyNavy:  i'll be in virginia next month
[08:22] <membreya> cuban's would make a nice change :)
[08:22] <sirukin> hmm
[08:22] <DarthFrog> OK, folks.  Let's stop with the racism, please.
[08:22] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  I haven't been back there in several years.  Move around a lot.
[08:22] <dweaver> FlyNavy: are you an academy grad?
[08:23] <membreya> my family came over legitimately :P
[08:23] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  yeah.  1986
[08:23] <sirukin> to where?
[08:23] <sirukin> canada?
[08:23] <sirukin> ha
[08:23] <madstop> fucking legals! ;-)
[08:23] <pinS> here we go again
[08:23] <brans5> ha
[08:23] <sirukin> heh
[08:24] <geneo93> 98% of america is illegals
[08:24] <membreya> :P
[08:24] <pinS> key is off, ssid broadcast is on
[08:24] <sirukin> anyway
[08:24] <pinS> and still nothing
[08:24] <sirukin> low signal?
[08:24] <dweaver> FlyNavy: No Way,  My best friend from high school was an '87.  He is now a Commander teaching Mathmatics back at Anappolis.  Art Cimiluca
[08:24] <madstop> None of the pilgrims' papers were in order; the indians didn't have their homeland security shit in order
[08:25] <pinS> nope
[08:25] <pinS> im next to the router
[08:25] <pinS> iwlist wlan0 scan picks it up
[08:25] <pinS> so why the hell wont it connect
[08:25] <pinS> shit!
[08:25] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  I am in New Orleans at the SPAWAR command doing XO bit.
[08:25] <DarthFrog> pinS: Try "dhclient wlan0" again.
[08:26] <DarthFrog> FlyNavy: SPAWAR?
[08:26] <brans5> hi
[08:26] <brans5> hi
[08:26] <brans5> hi
[08:26] <brans5> hi'
[08:26] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  Space and Naval Warfare.  We build the comm and IT stuff.
[08:26] <madstop> hi, all four of you
[08:26] <geneo93> pinS:  i had to reboot this machine to get mine working
[08:26] <membreya> ooo
[08:27] <FlyNavy> brans5:  Hi
[08:27] <pinS> geneo93, hope that works, this would be the 3rd time now
[08:27] <pinS> brb
[08:27] <brans5> hi
[08:27] <Anubis> # apt-get update
[08:27] <Anubis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:27] <Anubis> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[08:27] <membreya> Anubis: close synaptic
[08:28] <Anubis> its not open?
[08:28] <virtuald> you have another instance of apt running
[08:28] <madstop> membreya, dude, don't even joke about kidnapping us military personnel!  Rumsfeld might be reading this
[08:28] <sirukin> haha
[08:28] <pinPoint> here we go
[08:29] <dweaver> membreya: Just curious, when does the footy season run?
[08:29] <FlyNavy> Interesting!
[08:29] <madstop> oh oh, here comes a spike in the intel chatter
[08:29] <membreya> dweaver: ..mention "footy" in my presence again and I'll slap you
[08:29] <virtuald> give me $100000 or i will cut madstops throat!
[08:29] <zenrox> hello madstop
[08:29] <dweaver> membreya:?
[08:29] <madstop> virtuald, I'm worth about 20 cents... hello zenrox
[08:29] <membreya> virtuald: ...no ransom, just extort secrets
[08:30] <zenrox> lol
[08:30] <virtuald> :)
[08:30] <membreya> dweaver: .. i hate football, I grew up in a country town and I was a nerd
[08:30] <membreya> hence a target
[08:30] <pinPoint> geneo93: it takes a long time to get it up on boot up
[08:30] <pinPoint> like 1min 30secs
[08:30] <pinPoint> before it says OK
[08:30] <zenrox> membreya,  join the club
[08:30] <geneo93> mine to i have 6 scsi's to spin up
[08:31] <madstop> whoa, oh shit-- heh heh, when I wrote "us military peronnel" I meant US military, not us as in first person plural; I have not served, and am too old to be drafted...
[08:31] <madstop> or kidnapped
[08:31] <zenrox> lol
[08:31] <phxguy> hello... Can someone here help me get my bluetooth keyboard working???
[08:31] <zenrox> the mil dont want me too afraid ill take over
[08:32] <dweaver> membreya:sorry to touch a nerve.  I watch Aussie Football on cable and really enjoy it.  I was a nerd in high school but found rugby whern I got to college.
[08:32] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  No ideas on the display problem?
[08:32] <virtuald> madstop: you're never too old to be kidnapped
[08:32] <sabmoc> phxguy: no, you need to find the #ubuntu-bluetooth-keyboard-userhelp-friendly channel.
[08:32] <phxguy> yeah apparently so
[08:32] <sabmoc> its pretty hard to find
[08:32] <sirukin> hmm
[08:33] <pinPoint> ping returns Destination Host Unreachable
[08:33] <sabmoc> in the mean time I suggest google phxguy
[08:33] <zenrox> sabmoc,  is thare one for enabling the logitech enctiption on the keyboard
[08:33] <sirukin> interesting
[08:33] <dweaver> FlyNavy: nothing on the display problem.  still working on my audio problem.  I think it is a Hoary problem.  Life on the bleeding edge!
[08:33] <phxguy> it did work for a little bit when i first installed ubuntu but it quit qworking
[08:33] <sabmoc> zenrox: yes that one
[08:33] <madstop> especially when you'rre plastered
[08:33] <zenrox> not blue tooth
[08:33] <zenrox> reguler wireless
[08:33] <madstop> fuck, I missed about 12 lines there...
[08:34] <brans5>                       fuck you allyou fat fucking bitch madstop
[08:34] <sabmoc> lol
[08:34] <madstop> at least he got all that on one line this time
[08:34] <madstop> whoa, why single me out?
[08:34] <sabmoc> brans5: you're lucky Im not a mod or I would mail you testicles to your mother.
[08:35] <phxguy> lol
[08:35] <fonsken> how can i mount an usb-memory-stick?
[08:35] <FlyNavy> madstop:  He must like the way you type
[08:35] <sabmoc> jdub: ping
[08:35] <madstop> Well, I hope bran's other 4 don't show up
[08:36] <FlyNavy> madstop:  would just be 4 more lines...oh, we saw that already
[08:36] <brans5> fuck you bitch
[08:36] <madstop> sabmoc becomes sabmod the testicle mailer
[08:36] <pinPoint> Network APP says eth0 is not active
[08:36] <sabmoc> brans5: I hope you enjoy your brief stay on #ubuntu, it will be your last.
[08:36] <brans5> fuck you
[08:36] <brans5> fuck youm
[08:36] <pinPoint> that shit just stabbed me on the back and when i did ping yahoo.com it work
[08:36] <brans5> fuck you
[08:36] <pinPoint> wokred*
[08:36] <dweaver> I don't know if I can stay here with this language.
[08:36] <brans5> fuck you
[08:37] <brans5> fuck you
[08:37] <pinPoint> i  pulled the wire and the ping stalled
[08:37] <sabmoc> crimsun: ping
[08:37] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  Sure makes the screen scroll faster.
[08:37] <pinPoint> that sucks
[08:37] <dweaver> Wait a minute, I forgot who the fuck I am.
[08:37] <geneo93> some children are a pain in the ass
[08:38] <dweaver> all children are a pain in the ass, its heredity.
[08:38] <madstop> hmm, some day this brans5 bot may pass the Turing test
[08:38] <geneo93> pinPoint:  what does network-admin do for you
[08:38] <zenrox> ya so ducks
[08:38] <pinPoint> why does ubuntu apps give false information
[08:38] <zenrox> so duck
[08:38] <pinPoint> it sucks because
[08:38] <pinPoint> one app says eth0 is inactive yet when i do ping yahoo.com it works
[08:38] <dweaver> ubuntu apps give me the truth
[08:38] <pinPoint> so i think its my wireless nic working
[08:38] <pinPoint> but it turns out its the eth0
[08:39] <pinPoint> that is so sad
[08:39] <dweaver> membreya: are you back?
[08:39] <CraZy675> I have a ubuntu live cd here, would i be able to access my ntfs partition with it?
[08:39] <sabmoc> CraZy675: yup
[08:39] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  She forgot that she had to kidnap me!
[08:40] <sabmoc> CraZy675: read, but no write
[08:40] <dweaver> She kidnapped you from Melbourne?
[08:40] <pinPoint> why does my nic bring me so much pain
[08:40] <CraZy675> hell works for me
[08:40] <pinPoint> i feel like destroying things now
[08:40] <FlyNavy> membreya:  Sorry.  He.
[08:41] <madstop> ransom just went up a notch.
[08:41] <membreya> yes i am :)
[08:41] <FlyNavy> I understand  :)
[08:41] <dweaver> See, I hate this stuff, membreya, are you a he or ahe
[08:41] <membreya> HE :)
[08:41] <sirukin> hmm
[08:41] <madstop> (you can escape, FlyNavy, when he's off to get another wine or to placate his gf)
[08:42] <FlyNavy> madstop:  Roger that.
[08:42] <dweaver> wait a minut, nobody is a ahe, i mean't she
[08:42] <geneo93> heshe
[08:42] <madstop> membreya is the one with the busted nose.  Actually, his girlfriend is the one you need to watch out for.
[08:43] <membreya> :)
[08:43] <FlyNavy> pinpoint:  I was heading down the wireless trail but can't get into the gui.  Sorry
[08:43] <sabmoc> modstop wakeup
[08:43] <membreya> hooray, I finally found out how to enable DMA on my DVD-RW :D
[08:43] <dweaver> geneo93, i've heard of them, but don't know if they exist in the wild.
[08:43] <sabmoc> madstop: wakeup ;p
[08:43] <madstop> btw, what do Brit pilots say for "Roger that" ? doesn't roger mean something else over there?
[08:43] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  Try Naples.  They're everywhere.
[08:44] <FlyNavy> madstop:  Don't know .  Never flew with them.
[08:44] <dweaver> ah, yes, i saw that post, sorry membreya iI am new to all this irc stuff.
[08:44] <brans5> you dick
[08:44] <madstop> sabmoc, start drinking and get back to work
[08:44] <fonsken> how can i mount an usb-memory-stick?
[08:45] <brans5> jlk
[08:45] <brans5> ,,jk
[08:45] <brans5> -09785
[08:45] <pinPoint> YES YES YES!!!
[08:45] <pinPoint> my niC WORKS!
[08:45] <geneo93> well i'm off to bed l8rs all
[08:45] <brans5> !@#$%^&*()FHJrfbk.jbfkfhgfkjfhn m,.shnljdshb j.dvbljksbfougeuytgldkvuyjhglihkuybuybybvbbouybvukvkutvyukvtjkhv hkgvk\
[08:45] <madstop> all right pinPoint, way to go
[08:45] <pinPoint> i did map wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:45] <pinPoint> and rebooted
[08:45] <madstop> g'night geneo93
[08:46] <FlyNavy> now all we need to do is get rid of brans 1 through 4!!!
[08:47] <madstop> must be a script to block anyone who issues like 8 fuck yous in a row...
[08:47] <dweaver> membreya: excuse my ignorance, but is it evening or morning down there?
[08:47] <sabmoc> lets just play it safe and get rid of Brans*
[08:47] <membreya> evening...6.47 post meridian :)
[08:47] <FlyNavy> do these channels have mods?
[08:47] <membreya> we're gmt +11
[08:48] <Rene_S> I give up, the no menu editing in gnome 2.10 isnt worth the hassle ...
[08:48] <dweaver> membreya: I used to work with someone in Sydney, just couldn't remember the time diff.
[08:49] <madstop> sabmoc is the mod, when he's not shitfaced.  I'm drafting him.  (I assume him, after membreya's sex change, I just don't know anymore, <sobs>)
[08:49] <sabmoc> Rene_S: what do you mean?
[08:49] <sabmoc> lol
[08:49] <membreya> what the?!
[08:49] <membreya> lol :)
[08:49] <sabmoc> madstop: I've had half a beer, common
[08:49] <FlyNavy> wasn't me this time!
[08:49] <membreya> how the hell could you assume I'm a chick :|
[08:49] <madstop> sabmoc, I know what Rene_S means.  I hate that I can't edit the gd menus.
[08:49] <membreya> no wonder you were so nice to me
[08:49] <Rene_S> half the programs I installed dont show up on any menu at all, the ones that do end up with no icons
[08:50] <sabmoc> to be honest I havnet even noticed I couldnt edit the menus yet, its just not something I need to do.
[08:50] <membreya> Rene_S: with the no icon thing, you just need to restart GDM :)
[08:50] <membreya> and you CAN add items to the menu :)
[08:50] <CraZy675> where can i find a "how to" to access my ntfs?
[08:50] <madstop> FlyNavy must have had a girl in a port somewhere named membreya
[08:50] <pinPoint> madstop: it doesnt like keys and ssid hidden
[08:50] <membreya> just removing them or moving them is a bit more work
[08:50] <pinPoint> sucks
[08:50] <membreya> CraZy675: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:50] <CraZy675> membreya, thanks
[08:50] <membreya> heh madstop :)
[08:51] <sabmoc> CraZy675: `sudo mkdir /windows; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /windows;` that should work I think.
[08:51] <Rene_S> guess I am gonna have a bunch of drawers and desktop icons for a bit
[08:51] <DarthFrog> CraZy675: Do you know which device is your NTFS partition (i.e. /dev/hda?)
[08:51] <membreya> sabmoc: how ...messy
[08:51] <tsaphah> .. ok, I just updated my system to Hoary and my resolution got changed to 640 X 480 ! :( I also had to use a differnt compikernel, the new default didn't work...
[08:51] <sabmoc> Rene_S: panel icons are better
[08:51] <dweaver> I just followed along, looking back I can't understand how I thought membreya might be feminine, it is obviously a guy name.
[08:51] <tsaphah> wow, sorry for typing errors. Can't see what I'm typing due to resolution
[08:51] <madstop> or maybe FlyNavy just thought it was a girl, I don't know, don't ask, don't tell...
[08:52] <membreya> dweaver: do a whois on me
[08:52] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: No, it won't work.  You didn't specifiy a partition on hda.
[08:52] <sabmoc> membreya: well he could edit his fstab but I didnt want to go into that.
[08:52] <membreya> gawd, doesn't anyone take stalking seriously these days
[08:52] <sabmoc> yes, listen to DarthFrog
[08:52] <membreya> sabmoc: i was referring to mounting it off the rootfs :)
[08:52] <Rene_S> sabmoc, probably but i dont want the wife clicking on them hehe
[08:52] <FlyNavy> membreya:  Only if you're stalking my firewall
[08:52] <madstop> this is how I spend a Friday night, saturday morning; jesus, I'm not even a techie!  pour me a single malt, somebody.
[08:52] <sabmoc> Rene_S: do what I do, lock the screen when your not sitting at the computer
[08:52] <pinPoint> ok my nic doesnt like keys and ssid hidden
[08:53] <Rene_S> oh well i am sure its only a temporary thing
[08:53] <sabmoc> membreya: well I used suse too long I guess
[08:53] <membreya> madstop: ... I'm a heathen with single malt whisky, I mix it with coke :|
[08:53] <dweaver> membreya:  It is sad to say that after all my years in technology I am not aware of such things.  I'll try it.
[08:53] <sabmoc> membreya: GAH!!
[08:53] <membreya> sabmoc: either mount it in /media or /mnt.../media is my personal preference :)
[08:53] <membreya> 12 year old glenfiddich ...and I mix it
[08:53] <FlyNavy> sounds like you all need some good old fashioned moonshine
[08:54] <FlyNavy> straight
[08:54] <CraZy675> what is the root password for the live cd?
[08:54] <sabmoc> membreya: how do you even know what your drinking when you mix it with that garbage?
[08:54] <DarthFrog> membreya: Why aren't you buying the cheapest shit available if you're going to pollute it?
[08:54] <madstop> omg, membreya, that's insane!!
[08:54] <membreya> cos it tastes nice :) cheap shit still tastes like cheap shit when you mix it
[08:54] <madstop> The Balvenie, great single malt
[08:54] <dweaver> membreya: I will beat you to a bloody pulp if I ever get to Melbourne and find you mixing single malt.
[08:54] <sabmoc> haha
[08:54] <madstop> ditto that, dweaver
[08:55] <CraZy675> Does anyone know the root password for the live cd?
[08:55] <madstop> Know wonder his gf broke his nose
[08:55] <FlyNavy> new to IRC.  How do you place the messages in purple?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: No, not to jump him.  To drink his single malt before he wastes any more!
[08:55] <membreya> CraZy675: have you tried typing just "sudo"
[08:55] <dweaver> Ah, use sudo?  at least that is what you use after instal
[08:56] <membreya> :P
[08:56] <madstop> FlyNavy, can yu call in an air strike on Melbourne please, smart bomb the whisky wreckers
[08:56] <CraZy675> membreya, oh where is my head tonight, thanks
[08:56] <Smeven> hi
[08:56] <membreya> madstop: being the US military, he will probably hit china :P
[08:56] <FlyNavy> madstop:  They're supposed to be friends.  but if they're doing that we might make an exception
[08:56] <sabmoc> lol
[08:57] <pinPoint> i have to reboot everytime to change my ip dhcp/static
[08:57] <madstop> 'sallright sabmoc, we're just getting over winter here, I have no wish to hit Melbourne at the end of summer, and miss New York spring
[08:57] <pinPoint> total bull
[08:57] <FlyNavy> membreya:  I might take that personally:(
[08:57] <dweaver> membreya: I should have known when you got upset about footy that you would be so low as to mix single malt.
[08:57] <Smeven> Is howl planned for ubuntu anytime soon?
[08:57] <madstop> might as well piss in it, and save the coke to clean the toilet.
[08:57] <CraZy675> yea i don't know whcich device my ntfs is
[08:58] <CraZy675> there is only one hdd
[08:58] <sabmoc> Smeven: why dont you ask on the monodev wiki, only 3 or 4 mono apps are available at the moment, it would b enice to see more.
[08:58] <CraZy675> and 2 cdroms
[08:58] <membreya> Smeven: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/net/howl-utils
[08:58] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Sorry I wasn't of more help to you.
[08:58] <membreya> CraZy675: do a sudo fdisk -l
[08:58] <pinPoint> its alright
[08:58] <CraZy675> membreya, thanks again
[08:58] <pinPoint> i thought i had it but its unpredictable
[08:58] <dweaver> wait a minute, piss in single malt and now I know where Budwiser comes from
[08:59] <membreya> haha dweaver :P
[08:59] <DarthFrog> And on that note, I'm going to bed.
[08:59] <pinPoint> how do i stop loading of network interfaces
[08:59] <DarthFrog> TTFN.
[08:59] <pinPoint> at boot time
[08:59] <membreya> american beer..."for those that can't handle a real beer"
[08:59] <pinPoint> is there a key
[08:59] <sabmoc> DarthFrog: cya bro
[08:59] <membreya> cya DarthFrog
[08:59] <sirukin> hmm
[08:59] <FlyNavy> You can smash BW, but just leave Junior out of it.
[08:59] <madstop> "President Carter, I'm sorry to inform you that your brother Billy's horse has diabetes."
[08:59] <CraZy675> membreya, i get no results with an sudo fdisk....
[08:59] <pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
[09:00] <membreya> CraZy675: are you running SATA or IDE?
[09:00] <CraZy675> membreya, ide
[09:00] <dweaver> I can't get on you about Junior because he is my son's favorite.  Then again, he is 10.
[09:00] <membreya> Smeven: so to answer your question, hoary has support for howl
[09:00] <membreya> CraZy675: do a sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:01] <FlyNavy> dweaver:  He's not having a good year.
[09:02] <FlyNavy> membreya:  How about Grolsch?  My favorite
[09:02] <CraZy675> membreya, the only device i can get fdisk to list is hdc (the cdrom)
[09:02] <xigle1> a few days ago, I installed hoary preview. I added the right repositories and was able to install gstreamer, xmms, mplayer, xine etc. But now I reinstalled ubuntu and am getting a lot of error message when I try to install theese programs. Talking about all kinds of packages that's "not installable" and "have unmet dependencies". Any ideas?
[09:02] <dweaver> You'd have to talk to my son.  I follow Aussie Football more than NASCAR.] 
[09:03] <pinPoint> quick! whats the file that deals with what loads at bootup
[09:03] <FlyNavy> I played rugby for a while.  I think I was in a drunk stupor.  I came to and went to something safer!
[09:03] <sabmoc> pinPoint, /etc/modules ?
[09:03] <membreya> CraZy675: what happens when you do a sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:03] <madstop> Like combat aviation, FlyNavy??
[09:04] <sirukin> hmmm
[09:04] <pinPoint> sabmoc: no
[09:04] <CraZy675> membreya, nothing the prompt returns as if it was successful
[09:04] <membreya> hrm
[09:04] <pinPoint> like all the boot up processes
[09:04] <FlyNavy> madstop:  Right.  That is just my career.  I turned to boxing for relaxation.
[09:04] <pinPoint> when it says [ ok ] 
[09:04] <sabmoc> pinPoint, /etc/init.d/* ?
[09:05] <CraZy675> i'll reboot see if i get anything to make sure the ide cables are working
[09:05] <dweaver> thats the only way I played rugby.
[09:05] <madstop> I think I'm actually alive today because my dad's color blindness washed him out of the Army Air Corps back in the 40's.  Infantry was somewhat safer back then.
[09:05] <sabmoc> heh
[09:06] <dweaver> madstop, your in the states?
[09:06] <FlyNavy> madstop:  my grandfather was AAC.  Then AF.
[09:06] <madstop> I'm often in a state of denial about it, but yes, dweaver.  New York.
[09:06] <CraZy675> oh i get a diskboot failer
[09:06] <CraZy675> great
[09:06] <pinPoint> i hate time sycn
[09:07] <pinPoint> with ntp.ubuntu site
[09:07] <pinPoint> how do i nuke that
[09:07] <dweaver> I'm from NJ.  Worked in NY for several years.  Just questioning because of the time
[09:07] <madstop> My father was US Army, then flag-burner :-)
[09:07] <tuggy> hey, I just installed the hoary preview disc and for some reason there was a problem installing all the packages
[09:07] <FlyNavy> madstop:  To each his own...
[09:07] <ells> tritium: mike what is up man
[09:07] <tuggy> I tried it twice, same thing both times
[09:07] <dweaver> I'm with FlyNavy
[09:07] <sabmoc> pinPoint, `update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove`
[09:08] <madstop> pinPoint, I've been wondering the same thing; boot up is really tortuous with that stuff
[09:08] <tuggy> but the weird thing is, it worked just fine on my laptop
[09:08] <tuggy> only thing different was the CD
[09:08] <pinPoint> when my line is unplugged it lags for like 2mins
[09:09] <pinPoint> less is more!
[09:09] <pinPoint> dont want all that crap loading at boot up
[09:09] <pinPoint> even eth0 and wlan0
[09:09] <tritium> ells, hey there.  I just wrote a paper.  You?
[09:09] <pinPoint> the lag me too much
[09:09] <tuggy> why dont you just put the run level to 1
[09:10] <FlyNavy> all:  Gotta go.  keep it safe.
[09:10] <tuggy> then only the kernal and basic shell will load
[09:10] <madstop> pinPoint, starting linux when offline is apparently meant to be torture.  They want us on-line at all times.  A conspiracy.
[09:10] <jimarko> hey dudes and dudettes!
[09:10] <madstop> Take care FlyNavy
[09:10] <dweaver> I am running Ubuntu on my laptop but would like to know what you all think about putting it on a high end desktop.  is Ubuntu just a desktop distro or can it work on a server?
[09:10] <zerokarmaleft> pinPoint, you can ctrl-c when init hits the ntp update script to skip past it
[09:10] <sabmoc> jimarko, you mean dudes and dudes_with_boobs?
[09:11] <pinPoint> zerokarmaleft: can i do that to any of them
[09:11] <pinPoint> and most of them
[09:11] <CraZy675> membreya, now we are talking the power was loose
[09:11] <jimarko> bahahah, nah, thats not reeeally what i intended, but *shrugs*.. whatever ;-)
[09:11] <ProfQki> hi! can anybody tell me when hoary will be the stable distrib, instead of warthy?
[09:11] <tuggy> dweaver. ubuntu is based off debian, one of the most used server distros
[09:11] <ells> tritium: sorry mike, i was watching a fight, did some
[09:11] <ells> tritium: will finish in the morning
[09:11] <tuggy> its very scalable
[09:11] <tritium> ells, cool
[09:11] <gbanay> someone pulled the power cord from my computer while is was upgrading to hoary and now GDM types hebrew (so i can't login graphically) anyone can help me with that? (and maybe describe why something that's supposed to take usernames and password, which are written in a subset of ASCII, nevertheless accepts other languages as input?)
[09:11] <ells> tritium: guess what
[09:12] <tuggy> ProfQki, april 6th
[09:12] <ells> tritium: I got ubuntu on my desktop
[09:12] <ells> tritium: I used the preview version of hoary
[09:12] <Jlk> so do i
[09:12] <sirukin> hmmm
[09:12] <Jlk> whats up bryan
[09:13] <tritium> ells, isn't that what you had the other day when we fixed it?
[09:13] <sirukin> hmm
[09:13] <sirukin> brandom smells
[09:13] <jimarko> hey, quick question, has anyone had a problem with sound falling out of sync in flash animations within Firefox?
[09:13] <dweaver> tuggy: understood, but the plan is to fork of debian
[09:13] <sirukin> brandon*
[09:13] <ProfQki> tuggy: thank you very much
[09:13] <ells> tritium: my desktop had debian
[09:13] <Jlk> so what at least i smell
[09:13] <pinPoint> is there really an OS that works with a dell wireless nic other than winxp
[09:13] <sirukin> haha
[09:13] <pinPoint> right after install of OS
[09:13] <ells> tritium: I am happy to switch over to ubunut on my desktop
[09:13] <tritium> ells, which did we fix X.org on?
[09:13] <Jlk> huh?
[09:14] <ells> tritium: laptop
[09:14] <pinPoint> ok let me reprase
[09:14] <tritium> ells, oh
[09:14] <tritium> cool
[09:14] <pinPoint> is there a wireless nic that works on ubuntu right after install?
[09:14] <pinPoint> with no problems whats so ever
[09:14] <sirukin> I said I'd close your irc client
[09:14] <tuggy> dweaver, since many of the ubuntu devs are debian devs, they will probably still keep many ties
[09:14] <sabmoc> wow, 42 bug reports, i have a bad feeling....
[09:15] <dweaver> tuggy: thanks
[09:15] <Jlk> ha unahva
[09:15] <pinPoint> i will freaking buy it right now online!!!
[09:15] <Jlk> haa good to hear
[09:15] <madstop>  a friend of mine has a linksys card and router that worked out of the box.  no hassle at all.
[09:15] <tuggy> pinPoint, my el cheapo walmart card works even with the live cds
[09:15] <dweaver> pinpoint: my card didn't work right after install, but was just a simple mod to a file
[09:15] <Jlk> i kick you in the mukpaks?
[09:16] <tuggy> its one of those "network everywhere" brand ones
[09:16] <sirukin> hmm
[09:16] <tuggy> made by linksys for wally world
[09:16] <pinPoint> no no no
[09:16] <jimarko> Has anyone had a problem with sound falling out of sync in flash animations within Firefox?
[09:16] <pinPoint> i dont want mods, nothing!
[09:16] <Jlk> hmm what you think about that
[09:16] <pinPoint> i want it to work right after install
[09:16] <pinPoint> nothing to be done other than settings of the router
[09:16] <sirukin> hmm
[09:16] <tuggy> pin isnt listening to me
[09:16] <sabmoc> sirukin, you say hmm a lot
[09:17] <pinPoint> tuggy: oops
[09:17] <pinPoint> hehe
[09:17] <Jlk> hmm what you computer hacker
[09:17] <dweaver> actually, mine was an MS card that was easily recognized
[09:17] <sabmoc> tuggy, i think he is insane, dont make eye contact...
[09:17] <pinPoint> tuggy: which one
[09:17] <pinPoint> names
[09:17] <sirukin> i'M A HMM
[09:17] <sabmoc> hmm
[09:17] <sirukin> damnit
[09:17] <sirukin> capslock
[09:17] <sabmoc> buwhah
[09:17] <madstop> hmm, hah , heh hmm
[09:17] <tuggy> its a 11b card made by "network everywhere" (linksys cheap brand)
[09:18] <pinPoint> nope
[09:18] <pinPoint> it has to be atleast b/g
[09:18] <Jlk> your a hmm?
[09:18] <tuggy> i think all of the linksys work out of the box
[09:18] <tuggy> or atleast the prism based ones
[09:18] <Jlk> bryan
[09:18] <pinPoint> tuggy: prism? from linksys
[09:19] <tuggy> prism is the chip set maker
[09:19] <Jlk> a girl? whose your girlfriend sirukin?
[09:19] <tuggy> they make chips for Dlink, linksys, and a few other companys
[09:20] <dweaver> some prism work as orinoco
[09:20] <CraZy675> i have tried mounting this partition but i keep getting a bad fs type
[09:20] <tuggy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[09:20] <Jlk> *f
[09:20] <CraZy675> where do i go from here?
[09:20] <tuggy> that is the wiki page for wireless cards
[09:21] <tuggy> says which ones work "out of the box"
[09:21] <CraZy675> when i do the fdisk i can see the harddrive
[09:21] <kosmos> CraZy675, post your mountline
[09:22] <CraZy675>  sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:22] <CraZy675> oops s/hda1/hda/
[09:22] <tuggy> CraZy675, are you trying to write to your NTFS drive?
[09:22] <kosmos> try sudo mount -t ntfs /media/windows /dev/hda1
[09:22] <pinPoint> tuggy: those morons who posted about the TrueMobile 1300 from dell are crazy
[09:23] <pinPoint> that crap aint working for me
[09:23] <pinPoint> spent the last 3 days fight with this crap
[09:23] <kosmos>  /media/windows must exist
[09:23] <petemc> ndiswrapper works fine
[09:23] <CraZy675> tuggy, no just read it
[09:23] <tuggy> pinPoint, it says you have to you ndiswrapper for it
[09:24] <pinPoint> yeah dont we all
[09:24] <tsaphah> ok this is getting annoying :( My xorg.conf file says I should be at the 1024 res.. but its loading at 640. Gnomes res chaning program shows no higher resolution.  Does anyone have thoughts?
[09:24] <dweaver> I can say that the MN-520 does not work out of the box but works aftwer the addition to /etc/pcmcia/config
[09:24] <Jlk> s7" ${b%$,Z
[09:24] <pinPoint> being using that crap since forever and nothing
[09:24] <tuggy> CraZy675, oh ok... just makin sure cause ntfs writing is still a linux no no
[09:24] <Jlk> UhN#$%')*+--.34t|\
[09:24] <tuggy> pinPoint, I wouldnt expect anything from dell to work right
[09:24] <CraZy675> tuggy, yea all i want to do is see my documents and copy some over using ftp, I can do that right?
[09:24] <CraZy675> tuggy, but at this point i can't even see any files
[09:25] <Jlk> gjf
[09:25] <pinPoint> just what i wanted to hear
[09:25] <Jlk> rfg
[09:25] <Jlk> rtg
[09:25] <tuggy> are you using hoary or warty?
[09:25] <kosmos> tuggy, its possible but not advisable
[09:25] <pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
[09:25] <CraZy675> warty
[09:25] <kosmos> CraZy675,  sudo mount -t ntfs /media/windows /dev/hda1
[09:25] <Jlk> rt
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[09:25] <kosmos> shoud work fine
[09:26] <petemc> umask=022 will allow your normal user to read the mount
[09:26] <kosmos> ah sry
[09:26] <kosmos> CraZy675,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[09:27] <petemc> -o umask=022
[09:27] <dweaver> sabmoc, your back, I was getting lonely.
[09:27] <tuggy> you know where the name windows came from?
[09:27] <gbanay> GDM on my box types hebrew, how do i make it type english so i can type my usename and login?
[09:27] <tuggy> its the easiest intrussion point
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[09:27] <CraZy675> kosmos, wrong fs, bad option
[09:27] <petemc> gbanay: boot into recovery mode and finish the update?
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[09:28] <Jlk> srf
[09:28] <Jlk> dg
[09:28] <petemc> CraZy675: fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:28] <gbanay> petemc, what is recovery mode and how do i boot into it?
[09:28] <pinPoint> tuggy: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=485115&Sku=D700-2148&SRCCODE=WEBGOOAUT&CMP=KNC-GOOGL
[09:28] <petemc> gbanay: should be an option when you boot
[09:29] <gbanay> petemc, ok, i'll try it, thanks
[09:29] <sabmoc> tuggy, actually its because of the gui that they call it windows, but I like your version better.
[09:29] <CraZy675> petemc, yep that did it the ntfs was hda2
[09:29] <CraZy675> thanks
[09:29] <petemc> np
[09:30] <petemc> CraZy675: for the record, you dont need to use ftp, just cp the stuff you need
[09:30] <shmoolik> good morning
[09:30] <pinPoint> i will buy that card right now!!!!
[09:31] <aeolist_> i am trying to compile a kernel, and i get a drivers/block/cloop.c missing error
[09:31] <tuggy> lol @ pinPoint
[09:31] <petemc> im using a dell latitude now, everything works
[09:32] <shmoolik> does  some one here got his webcam  working on Ubuntu?
[09:32] <tuggy> yeah, dlink stuff has a good reputation for working in linux
[09:33] <hannes_> and it works just fine
[09:33] <dweaver> shmoolik: Good Morning to you although I haven't finished my last beer yet.
[09:33] <tuggy> WOOHOO!! any washington users here? Linuxfest Northwest is in 41 day!!
[09:35] <tuggy> I have to spend 8 hours a day dealing with windows users... its nice to come home and chat with people that have a clue when it come to computing
[09:36] <dweaver> ditto that
[09:36] <tritium> tuggy, used to live in WA
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[09:37] <tritium> tuggy, I'm from New Mexico, where we have droughts all the time ;)
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[09:38] <Sloppy> will gnome 2.10 show up for warty users?
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[09:41] <tuggy> pinPoint, find out which version of that card has that chip set, then try to buy that version
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[09:41] <pinPoint> tuggy: where do i start looking... google doesnt even bring anythhing up
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[09:41] <CraZy675> Ghost-nine, quick example?
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[09:41] <jimarko> CraZy675: yep, i think you can by using -t ftp when mounting
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[09:41] <Sloppy> I think ubuntu is slowly bringing me over to the light side, I've tried lots of distros (Fedora, Xandros, SuSE, Knoppix) and I stopped using them after a few days for the simple reason that I couldn't get my extra mouse buttons to work. Huge props to the ppl that help write Ubuntu documentation, its been really helpful
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[09:41] <Ghost-nine> CraZy675, in nautilus, file > connect to server
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[09:42] <CraZy675> Ghost-nine, the live cd
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[09:44] <Ghost-nine> thats nautilus
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[09:44] <Ghost-nine> ?
[09:44] <you> h
[09:44] <you> h
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[09:44] <you> hh
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[09:44] <tuggy> pinPoint, http://support.dlink.com/products/revision.asp?productid=DWL-G650
[09:44] <you> a
[09:44] <you> a
[09:44] <kosmos> or just type "nautilus" in your shell
[09:44] <you> a
[09:44] <you> a
[09:44] <kosmos> :)
[09:44] <you> a
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[09:44] <CraZy675> Ghost-nine, yea i think i can get it from here
[09:45] <you> a
[09:45] <you> a
[09:45] <you> aa
[09:45] <Ghost-nine> CraZy675, okay
[09:45] <you> a
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[09:45] <xigle1> damn, gaim doesn't have /ignore
[09:45] <CraZy675> just have to set up dhcp server
[09:45] <zerokarmaleft> finally
[09:45] <spectrm> xiglet: maybe you should use a REAL client ;)
[09:45] <Ghost-nine> xiglet, use the command manually
[09:45] <Ghost-nine> spectrm, haha
[09:45] <pinPoint> tuggy: http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=33-127-116-08.JPG/33-127-116-06.JPG/33-127-116-07.JPG/33-127-116-04.JPG&CurImage=33-127-116-08.JPG&Type=Refurbished
[09:46] <dweaver> you,we didn;t even know you
[09:46] <spectrm> dweaver: but I'm glad we don't
[09:46] <xiglet> i used it manually .. but yes, x-chat is much better when it comes to irc
[09:46] <dweaver> :)
[09:47] <xiglet> tried hoary preview about 1 week ago .. finally a distro that was able to configure my integrated 802.11g card by deafult. :D
[09:47] <xiglet> and i'm back to gnome again :)
[09:49] <zerokarmaleft> xiglet, what were you using during your gnome hiatus?
[09:49] <CraZy675> how do i set the static IP and gateway and so on, using the live cd?
[09:49] <sabmoc> spectrm, are you on the ubuntu team?
[09:49] <spectrm> sabmoc: no
[09:50] <spectrm> sabmoc: just another IRCer sick of the bullshit
[09:50] <sabmoc> Are any of the ubuntu team awake? ping ping ping
[09:50] <xiglet> zerokarmaleft: well ... fedora core 1 and so ... I guess, 2.4 or something. there have been some improvements since then
[09:50] <spectrm> I wished I was staff so I could drop you off the network
[09:50] <spectrm> excuse me
[09:50] <spectrm> 'you' off the network
[09:50] <Ghost-nine> why the shit talk spacey
[09:50] <sabmoc> huh?
[09:50] <Ghost-nine> err
[09:50] <Ghost-nine> spectrm,
[09:51] <spectrm> sabmoc: the guy spamming before
[09:51] <sabmoc> it wasnt me!
[09:51] <petemc> heh
[09:51] <spectrm> sabmoc: I know
[09:51] <Ghost-nine> sabmoc, no his nick was "YOU"
[09:51] <spectrm> sabmoc: but his nick was 'you'
[09:51] <sabmoc> lol
[09:51] <xiglet> zerokarmaleft: there is still things I like much more with KDE, but .. I just don't like looking at it ... even if I find a theme I like .. It just looks like windows for 8 year old girls  :)
[09:51] <pinPoint> tuggy: youa round?
[09:51] <tuggy> pinPoint, p://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357&question=General%20Wireless
[09:51] <Ghost-nine> haha
[09:51] <tuggy> http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357&question=General%20Wireless
[09:52] <zerokarmaleft> xiglet, lmao
[09:52] <Ghost-nine> nice description xiglet
[09:52] <pinPoint> tuggy: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=485115&CatId=0
[09:52] <sabmoc> yeah it was 'girl' for a while, then 'brans5' now i see it is 'you'
[09:52] <sabmoc> same ip for all three names
[09:52] <tuggy> that has which dlink cards have linux drives
[09:52] <spectrm> sabmoc: well...he's gone now...good thing
[09:52] <zerokarmaleft> xiglet, felt the same way when i used kde 3.2 on gentoo
[09:53] <spectrm> kde is...well...I'll keep my opinions to myself
[09:53] <sabmoc> spectrm, this is the third time today, I think chances are good we have not seen the last of 'you'
[09:53] <xiglet> zerokarmaleft: gnome just ... give me a good feeling ;-)
[09:53] <pinPoint> tuggy: ...
[09:53] <tuggy> pinPoint, looks like all the dwl-g650 cards have drivers\
[09:53] <xiglet> kde have some great features though
[09:53] <underlord> i want to execute a program at command line, but make it terminate in 10 seconds from the launch time if it doesn't terminate itself, is this easy in bash/ubuntu?
[09:53] <sabmoc> GNOME is sexy
[09:53] <pinPoint> ah
[09:54] <Ghost-nine> sabmoc, eh, OSX is sexy... gnome is usable ;P
[09:54] <spectrm> e17 is sexy
[09:54] <Ghost-nine> that too
[09:54] <spectrm> the rest are just there
[09:54] <pinPoint> except for K1
[09:54] <sabmoc> OSX is candy, GNOME is sexy, KDE is plastic, WINDOWS is shit
[09:54] <spectrm> Kwin is slow, bloated, and buggy
[09:54] <Ghost-nine> spectrm, idea for new ubuntu livecd, Ebuntu
[09:54] <spectrm> Ghost-nine: YES!!!!
[09:54] <spectrm> Ghost-nine: excellent idea
[09:55] <Ghost-nine> there's already kubuntu
[09:55] <tuggy> so with hoary, any of the dwl-g650 cards should work out of the box
[09:55] <Ghost-nine> why not Ebuntu?
[09:55] <xiglet> but I have one problem with ubuntu. Installed hoary the same day the preview was released, added the repo's multiverse, marillat and universe and was able to install xmms, xine, mplayer etc. Did the same thing now after a reinstall but now I'm getting a lot of errors. Some dependencie problems. Anyone experienced something like this?
[09:55] <sabmoc> xiglet, yep
[09:55] <tuggy> xiglet, there is like 60 updates a day
[09:56] <tuggy> it is going to be like this till april 6th
[09:56] <sabmoc> xiglet, right now so many packages are being updated that things are a bit funky
[09:56] <spectrm> xiglet: the repo's might not be compatible
[09:56] <xiglet> ok, I see
[09:56] <spectrm> xiglet: ubuntu's still going through some infrastructure dev
[09:56] <sabmoc> xiglet, after its 'officially' release everything will calm way down and stuff should just work
[09:56] <spectrm> xiglet: I'd check with a project lead
[09:56] <xiglet> ok, thanks
[09:56] <spectrm> xiglet: I can't see the errors from here
[09:56] <spectrm> xiglet: otherwise I'd prolly be able to figure it out
[09:57] <xiglet> so I should stick to stable I guess
[09:57] <spectrm> xiglet: maybe uninstall and reinstall the packages
[09:57] <sabmoc> or just dont upgrade until its released
[09:57] <sabmoc> are most of the bugs involving mplayer xiglet ?
[09:57] <xiglet> I just tried spamassassin. It said : Depends: libhtml-parser-perl (>= 3.31) but it is not installable
[09:58] <pinPoint> how does one remove a minipci card
[09:58] <pinPoint> where is it?
[09:58] <pinPoint> on a laptop
[09:58] <spectrm> pinPoint: pcmcia slot
[09:58] <spectrm> ??
[09:58] <pinPoint> no
[09:58] <pinPoint> its builtin
[09:58] <sabmoc> heh, goodlucky
[09:58] <spectrm> pinPoint: wanna start scrapping your lappy already?
[09:59] <pinPoint> had for 7+months
[09:59] <xiglet> maybe it is some other problems here. But it's strange, the only thing I did after install was to create gpg keys (as the wiki said) and added multiverse , marillat and universe
[09:59] <tuggy> pinPoint, probably under the keyboard in under a back panel
[09:59] <pinPoint> hell ya! if that means i get a new pcmcia card
[09:59] <xiglet> sabmoc: so no, now it suddenly appears to involve a lot of packages...
[09:59] <pinPoint> if i do get a pcmcia card
[09:59] <pinPoint> will it be wlan1 or 0
[09:59] <sabmoc> im pretty sure taking your laptop appart will void any warrenty
[09:59] <tuggy> pin you can just leave the minipci card in
[09:59] <spectrm> pinPoint: ifconfig
[09:59] <tuggy> its not going to hurt anything
[10:00] <tuggy> unless you want to say... smash it
[10:00] <sabmoc> xiglet, yep, its just the blitz, wait a while or maybe try reinstalling if possible.
[10:00] <pinPoint> im angry at it
[10:00] <pinPoint> we settle it out one on one
[10:00] <tuggy> lol
[10:00] <spectrm> 3am already....damn
[10:00] <pinPoint> me and the card
[10:00] <sabmoc> sleep is for the weak
[10:00] <xiglet> sabmoc: I just reinstalled. But I guess I'll have to live with it as long as it is unstable
[10:00] <sabmoc> you dont want sleep
[10:01] <sabmoc> xiglet, yep, pretty much
[10:01] <xiglet> thank you
[10:01] <xiglet> I hope hoary will be released soon then :)
[10:01] <tuggy> xiglet, just keep updating till it works right
[10:02] <xiglet> sleep? I'm just about to dress up for snowboard skiing
[10:02] <tuggy> then dont update untill after release
[10:02] <sabmoc> xiglet, install apt-listbugs
[10:02] <xiglet> sabmoc: error on that one as well :)
[10:02] <sabmoc> lol
[10:02] <sabmoc> nicely played!
[10:03] <sabmoc> oh well, i tried
[10:03] <xiglet> :) sabmoc .. http://paste.plone.org/1116
[10:04] <xiglet> Guess I'll try with a new reinstall tonight ... without these unofficial repos
[10:04] <Ghost-nine> oops
[10:04] <tuggy> I tried the kubuntu live disk... KDE 3.4 is pretty damn sweet
[10:04] <Ghost-nine> wrong channel
[10:04] <Ghost-nine> :/
[10:05] <membreya> die Ghost-nine !
[10:05] <Ghost-nine> hey watch it...
[10:05] <Ghost-nine> ;P
[10:05] <tuggy> xiglet, the one that probably messed you up was the marrilat
[10:05] <tuggy> I have been using universe and multiverse with no problems
[10:06] <xiglet> tuggy: ok ... i'll try to go easy on that one next time then
[10:06] <tuggy> JUST use marrilat to get w32codecs and libdvdcss2 then shut it off
[10:06] <xiglet> ok, good idea
[10:07] <njs12345> hmm
[10:07] <njs12345> my sound seems to have gone all of a sudden
[10:07] <tuggy> njs- I think it has to do with the update from today
[10:07] <tuggy> your not the first to say it
[10:07] <njs12345> tuggy: that's quite possible
[10:07] <tuggy> are you using hoary?
[10:07] <njs12345> yup
[10:07] <njs12345> when I run `esd` I get
[10:07] <xiglet> array-7 is the same as preview, only a few days newer?
[10:07] <njs12345> njs@nick-bedroom:/dev $ esd
[10:07] <njs12345> /dev/dsp: No such device
[10:08] <tuggy> hmm
[10:08] <kosmos> hm, sount turns out to be a real issue ;)
[10:08] <njs12345> which is strange, because I can cat /dev/dsp just fine
[10:08] <tuggy> have you made sure to turn the volume back up?
[10:08] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, can you play sound as root?
[10:08] <themaxx> Hello everyone.. I am in Taiwan and the Ubuntu's FTP server is slow as hell...  I'm trying to grap array 7 but at this speed it'll finnish in a week!!
[10:08] <tuggy> I know afte the update it turns the volume back down
[10:09] <pinPoint> tuggy: what do you think :: [10:09] <themaxx> Anyone knows a mirror???
[10:09] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: no
[10:09] <njs12345> root@nick-bedroom:/dev # cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio
[10:09] <njs12345> bash: /dev/audio: No such device
[10:09] <tuggy> pinPoint, I think it will work
[10:09] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, only reason i could think thats doesnt work, is because your audio card wasnt detected
[10:09] <themaxx> The torrent is also verry slow...
[10:09] <tuggy> all three revisions have drivers
[10:10] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, what audio card?
[10:10] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: it was working before, and if I run lsmod I get all the right drivers
[10:10] <tuggy> themaxx, you a sam keith fan?
[10:10] <dizzie> themaxx, try -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[10:11] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: it was working before.. lemme find it in hal-device-manager
[10:11] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, what did you do before it stopped working?
[10:11] <themaxx> tuggy: I've never heard of him ;) I'm not Taiwanese..  I moved here recently to learn Mandarin
[10:11] <wdh> brrr :S
[10:11] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: I updated
[10:12] <njs12345> I was running hoary before, and I'm running hoary now, and it just stopped working over an update
[10:12] <wdh> learn Mandarin.. sounds awfully hard
[10:12] <Rattboi> yeah, so is Cantonese
[10:12] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, well.... hal can detect things that aren't exactly supported, like my secondary disk controller
[10:12] <Rattboi> my gf wants me to learn
[10:12] <tuggy> oh ok... Sam Keith is an american book writer... he created the comic "The Maxx"
[10:12] <themaxx> and it IS heheheh granted that I don't have any language skills :P
[10:12] <Rattboi> The Maxx is the shit
[10:12] <njs12345> I suck so hard at languages
[10:12] <Rattboi> I watched the whole series...too bad I was like 11, and totally didn't get it
[10:13] <tuggy> pinPoint, do you have a best buy or a circuit city near by?
[10:13] <themaxx> I think Cantonese is even harder... they use 7 tones,... while Mandarin uses 4 :P
[10:13] <pinPoint> best buy but its expensive. around 60 bucks there
[10:13] <tuggy> Rattboi, the series was ok, but the comic books were way better
[10:13] <pinPoint> still good since shippin from only rounds to 60 too
[10:13] <wdh> themaxx, i was trying to learn hebrew a while ago... didnt manage to do it.. guess i will start over again :P
[10:13] <pinPoint> online*
[10:14] <themaxx> Oh!!!!! Yeah!!! I loved that anime!! That was originaly on MTV I think with Aeon Flux I believe right?
[10:14] <CraZy675> i can't figure out how to mount an ftp drive, or even how to access an ftp directory from the live cd
[10:14] <Smeven> how do i set nfs to listen on all devices when it starts (instead of only localhost)?
[10:14] <tuggy> What I was going to say is, if you buy it from somewhere like best buy if it dont work you can take it back and try another one
[10:14] <membreya> aeon flux movie will be interesting :)
[10:14] <wdh> CraZy675, an ftpdrive??
[10:14] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: I guess that might be possible - but if it was detected before and it only broke in the past few days, that would suggest it was supported
[10:15] <membreya> though they screwed up the hair style
[10:15] <themaxx> I know many students at my school who study more then 5 hours a day!!! 5 whole hours!!!!! For a 2 hours dalay class
[10:15] <Smeven> anyone?
[10:15] <kosmos> CraZy675, try gFTP
[10:15] <pinPoint> tuggy: you have a point
[10:15] <pinPoint> ill try that tomorrow
[10:15] <CraZy675> wdh, I am using a live cd and i want to take my files from ntfs and put them on my ftp server
[10:15] <CraZy675> is gftp on the live cd?
[10:15] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, yea, sounds like some config was overwritten...
[10:15] <kosmos> hm
[10:16] <tuggy> Thats how I do my linux compatability testing ;)
[10:16] <wdh> CraZy675, as kosmos said.. try gFTP
[10:16] <michel> mozilla
[10:16] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, try running 'alsaconf'
[10:16] <kosmos> if, not the you can use ftp command on shell
[10:16] <zzyber> can someone explain or give direction where to read more about locales. Im going crazy. For more than a year i have had problems with files and invalid unicode, applications not showing my language (swedish) and so on. Whats the diffrent between utf-8 and iso-8859-1 and why is ubuntu using utf-8 when its not "compatible". What do ms windows use? Never had a problem with locales in windows
[10:16] <CraZy675> wdh, I don't think gftp is on the live cd
[10:16] <perhe> Hey, I'm trying to set up wlan, and I know next to nothing.. can someone tell me at least how to start checking if i got cards and software that i need ?
[10:17] <njs12345> does ubuntu use hoary?
[10:17] <kosmos> ftp [host]  [port] 
[10:17] <aeolist_> ?
[10:17] <njs12345> oops
[10:17] <wdh> CraZy675, i dont care about what you think.. you can at least try
[10:17] <njs12345> I meant does ubuntu use alsa
[10:17] <njs12345> lol
[10:17] <aeolist_> yeap
[10:17] <tuggy> Ok I need to get to bed
[10:17] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, no alsaconf?
[10:17] <pinPoint> how do they come up with this names
[10:17] <pinPoint> warty hoary ubuntu
[10:17] <sabmoc> hmmm
[10:17] <pinPoint> eesh!
[10:17] <njs12345> nope
[10:18] <Ghost-nine> eh?
[10:18] <tuggy> pinPoint, they actually give explanations of the names in the wiki
[10:18] <membreya> pinPoint: animal names :)
[10:18] <pinPoint> gftp is not AUTHENTICATED?
[10:18] <pinPoint> what!!?
[10:18] <njs12345> the oss drivers are loaded but not the ALSA ones, if I remember correctly from my time with Gentoo
[10:18] <membreya> hoary hedgehog, warty warthog..grump groundhog (i think)
[10:18] <wdh> CraZy675, you can open it in nautilus probably: ftp://user:password@address:port
[10:18] <perhe> how can I check if my 'eth1' is working (wlan) ?
[10:19] <wdh> ifconfig eth1
[10:19] <membreya> perhe: go to a terminal and type ifconfig -a
[10:19] <tuggy> membreya, the next release is Breezy Badger
[10:19] <pinPoint> gftp is safe isnt it?
[10:20] <sabmoc> why not "Badger with gas"?
[10:20] <wdh> pinPoint, ftp is never safe :)
[10:20] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: have any ideas how I could fix my alsa?
[10:20] <tuggy> it means "fresh brisk and full of life"
[10:20] <membreya> i thought next release was grumpy
[10:20] <CraZy675> ok thnaks
[10:20] <themaxx> dizzie sugested me to visted http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive to get a mirror closer to me. Are these mirrors suposed to hve the array 7 ISO  ???
[10:20] <Amaranth> pinPoint: Not really, the FTP protocol isn't secure.
[10:20] <tuggy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20381
[10:20] <wdh> membreya, it is..
[10:20] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, i thought ubuntu used alsa
[10:20] <tuggy> that the announcement to the next release name
[10:20] <sabmoc> Ghost-nine, it does
[10:20] <Ghost-nine> then he should have alsaconf
[10:21] <pinPoint> wdh: Sftp?
[10:21] <sabmoc> alsa is the default sound driver for the 2.6 kernel
[10:21] <Amaranth> pinPoint: sftp would be good, yeah :P
[10:21] <wdh> pinPoint, sftp helps alot
[10:21] <perhe> ok, so eth1 is there then I guess, now if I want to use wlan, how do I start it ? i know username and what not for it.. ive installed wlan-ng and vpnc and tried around but can't figure it out
[10:21] <Amaranth> pinPoint: of course iirc sftp is just ssh + scp but it's still good
[10:21] <perhe> if I try to activate eth1 it deactivates itself automaticly
[10:21] <pinPoint> is there clients for ubuntu
[10:21] <njs12345> Amaranth: I thought sftp is ssh+ftp
[10:22] <membreya> perhe: check your dmesg
[10:22] <tuggy> G night everyone
[10:22] <pinPoint> tuggy: good night, ill be leaving too
[10:22] <sabmoc> bye tuggy
[10:22] <Gul3> hello. i'm trying to pair my nokia 6230 with gnome-phone-manager, but it fails because i don't know what password i should type on the 6230 when phone-manager asks for it! anyone?
[10:22] <sabmoc> yeah me 2
[10:22] <Amaranth> njs12345: you mean ssl+ftp?
[10:22] <Amaranth> Gul3: if you didn't set the password your provider did
[10:22] <pinPoint> any sftp clients anywhere
[10:22] <njs12345> Amaranth: turns out it is SSH+FTP
[10:22] <sabmoc> Gul3,  you want us to tell you your password? its 'booby'
[10:22] <njs12345> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_FTP
[10:23] <Amaranth> Gul3: did the phone come with a manual?
[10:23] <wdh> membreya, im confused.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[10:23] <njs12345> oh
[10:23] <njs12345> maybe not
[10:23] <pinPoint> Gul3: default Nokia 12345
[10:23] <njs12345> it's not like FTP
[10:23] <Amaranth> secure ftp != sftp
[10:23] <membreya> wdh: what are you confused about ?
[10:23] <Gul3> Amaranth: it's the password gnome-phone-manager needs i need.
[10:23] <pinPoint> ?
[10:23] <njs12345> and it's not exactly like scp either
[10:24] <wdh> membreya, this states clearly that it will be grumpy groundhog..
[10:24] <Amaranth> Gul3: to your keyring?
[10:24] <njs12345> it's like.. fully encrypted ftp, but with more features than scp
[10:24] <membreya> that's right wdh
[10:24] <djp> morning world!
[10:24] <membreya> hey djp
[10:24] <Gul3> Amaranth: ?
[10:24] <pinPoint> so what client should i get for sftp then
[10:24] <wdh> membreya, then what about 'breezy badger'?
[10:24] <djp> Just woken up to a strange message in my mbox
[10:24] <membreya> wdh, tuggy said breezy badger..and he was wrong
[10:24] <Amaranth> Gul3: does the password say it's access your keyring?
[10:24] <pinPoint> what about Angry Monkeys
[10:25] <njs12345> pinPoint: I would have thought nautilus worked with sftp..
[10:25] <djp> Subject:  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[10:25] <Amaranth> Gul3: err, the password dialog
[10:25] <pinPoint> njs12345: gui based?
[10:25] <njs12345> yeah
[10:25] <njs12345> it's like the file manager of GNOME
[10:25] <Amaranth> nautilus works with sftp, choose ssh as the protocol
[10:25] <djp> message as follows; /etc/cron.daily/slocate:
[10:25] <djp> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:25] <wdh> membreya, it looks like it is mentioned only a few days ago on the forums..
[10:25] <Amaranth> Places->Connect to server...
[10:26] <pinPoint> Places?
[10:26] <pinPoint> ???
[10:26] <djp> any ideas?
[10:26] <pinPoint> ah
[10:26] <membreya> hmmm, if daniels was here, he would clear it up :)
[10:26] <pinPoint> just new to it
[10:26] <pinPoint> hehe
[10:26] <njs12345> pinPoint: you are running GNOME, aren't you?
[10:26] <wdh> membreya, :)
[10:26] <Gul3> Amaranth: i think maybe you misunderstood my terrible sense of explaining.. lol. i start up phone-manager, try to connect to the phone via bluetooth, then the phone says: enter password. but i don't have that password.
[10:26] <wdh> membreya, never mind :) hoary will do for now
[10:26] <pinPoint> njs12345: no no no. sftp isnt on the list
[10:26] <Amaranth> Gul3: the phone does?
[10:27] <membreya> djp: go to a terminal and do a sudo slocate -u
[10:27] <Gul3> Amaranth: yes
[10:27] <pinPoint> sftp only in console
[10:27] <Amaranth> Gul3: i mean, it wants you to enter a password on the phone
[10:27] <Gul3> Amaranth: yeah, thats right
[10:27] <Amaranth> Gul3: try your user password, if that doesn't read read your phone's manual
[10:27] <njs12345> pinPoint: I tried this
[10:27] <njs12345> opened a folder on my desktop
[10:27] <njs12345> pressed Ctrl+L
[10:27] <njs12345> and entered sftp://ftp.gnome.org/
[10:27] <njs12345> and it worked like it should have done
[10:28] <Amaranth> wtf, ftp.gnome.org supports sftp?
[10:28] <Gul3> Amaranth: the phone's manual have nothing to do with this. it has to be the gnome-phone-manager.
[10:28] <njs12345> apparently
[10:28] <Gul3> Amaranth: but i can't find the documentation for the application
[10:28] <Amaranth> Gul3: I have no clue, thus the manual.
[10:28] <Gul3> Amaranth: ok.. but thanks anyway
[10:28] <Gul3> :)
[10:28] <Amaranth> Gul3: I think the phone wants a password to authorize sending the data to the computer.
[10:29] <djp> membreya: doing that...
[10:29] <Amaranth> Gul3: Which if you didn't set should be mentioned in the manual.
[10:29] <pinPoint> Gul3: you try 12345
[10:29] <Gul3> pinPoint: did not work
[10:29] <Amaranth> Gul3: I can almost guarantee it isn't gnome-phone-manager
[10:30] <Gul3> Amaranth: why? it is gnome-phone-manager who asks for the password.
[10:30] <Amaranth> Gul3: You just said it wasn't!
[10:30] <Amaranth> Gul3: Do you need to enter the password in the phone or on the computer?
[10:30] <djp> membreya: ok it has finished doing whatever it was doing. now what?
[10:31] <membreya> now djp ..nothing..it's created it's db file :)
[10:31] <Gul3> Amaranth: lol. g-p-m asks, but i have to type it in on the phone. lol. when gnome-phone-manager finds the phone it sends a password-request (?) to the phone.
[10:31] <Gul3> Amaranth: that i have to type in on the phone.
[10:31] <djp> membreya: so that message i recevied ahould have disappeared, right?
[10:31] <perhe> and what should I look for in dmesg ?
[10:31] <Gul3> Amaranth: do you see?
[10:31] <membreya> it won't happen again djp, no
[10:32] <membreya> djp, just to be sure, in the terminal type sudo -s, to do a cd /var/lib/slocate and see if slocate.db is there
[10:32] <Amaranth> Gul3: Ok, the password you use to sign in to the computer didn't work?
[10:33] <Gul3> Amaranth: this is standard "pairing" in the wonderful world of bluetooth. but i don't know the password gnome-phone-manager wants. maybe it is saved in an text file somewhere, but the application don't have man-pages:(
[10:33] <perhe> membreya, what should I look for in dmesg ? I see 'eth1: no IPv6 routers present'
[10:33] <membreya> perhe: look for a reason as to why it's not activating
[10:33] <Gul3> Amaranth: it has to be numric.
[10:34] <Amaranth> Gul3: 00000?
[10:34] <perhe> membreya, quite a list there, and I don't understand much to being with .. this thing is the only place I see eth1 mentioned i think though
[10:34] <membreya> perhe: do a dmesg |grep eth1
[10:34] <Smeven> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[10:34] <Gul3> Amaranth: no.. just a wild guess? lol
[10:34] <Smeven> what causes that error?
[10:35] <Amaranth> Gul3: That's the password for accessing specials things on some phones. ;)
[10:35] <UglyP> Hello, some help. Ive updated to Hoary, and now my XMMS wont work. Im sure I have all the correct libs, but it locks up when I start it. Anyone know what the problem is?
[10:35] <Gul3> Amaranth: ok. lol
[10:35] <membreya> UglyP: what happens when you run it from the terminal ?
[10:35] <perhe> membreya, yeah, only the one I told you .. 'eth1: no IPv6 routers present'
[10:35] <Gul3> Amaranth: but it did not work:(
[10:35] <membreya> hrm
[10:36] <UglyP> The exact same! Opens the window, when I click play, I get no sound and it locks up, have to kill the process.
[10:36] <perhe> membreya, where do i configure it with username and such for my wlan though ?
[10:39] <membreya> not sure sorry perhe
[10:41] <djp> membreya: sorry, disappeared, due to responsibilities for a certain 2 year old! was going to ask you what the message i received referred too?
[10:41] <membreya> slocate, it's akin to locate however it's "secure" meaning that it only searches files that you should have access to :)
[10:41] <Smeven> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[10:41] <Smeven> what does that mean?
[10:42] <themaxx> I finaly found a fast mirror to download an ISO. I would just like to know if the ISO dated on the 10th is the same as array7 ??
[10:42] <membreya> the message you received djp, means that slocate doesn't have an initial database created..the slocate -u that you did created that database
[10:42] <bob2> themaxx: check the md5sums
[10:42] <djp> membreya: ok, thanks
[10:42] <themaxx> :P Oups....  that was so obvious LOL :P sorry la hehehe
[10:42] <themaxx> Thanks :P hehehe
[10:43] <themaxx> I'm new to Linux and md5sums is not part of my computer cultur yet I guess :P
[10:44] <membreya> perhe: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[10:44] <themaxx> (btw I tried  few distro before Ubuntu and I must say apt-get is a marvel!!!)
[10:45] <apokryphos> themaxx: it certainly is :). But note that many distros have it
[10:45] <perhe> membreya, thanks I'll check it out!
[10:46] <themaxx> apokryphos: I knew of its Debian origine but that was it ;)
[10:51] <comfrey_> hey all
[10:51] <comfrey_> anyone know about ignor trackpad while typint settings
[10:52] <aeolist_>  does anybody know how i can remove everything inside a [ ]  with vi?
[10:52] <djp> membreya: do i need to run the command that was reported as being run as a cron job? i.e., test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[10:53] <membreya> nope, you should be fine :)
[10:53] <membreya> the file'
[10:53] <membreya> s
[10:53] <membreya> created now
[10:54] <lok> aeolist_, why do you use vi for such a thing ?
[10:55] <lok> use sed
[10:55] <bob2> sed will only work on single lines
[10:55] <lok> sed works one times on a line you want to say ?
[10:56] <membreya> i cringe to think how many base commands are built into linux ...and how many are actually used by everyday users :)
[10:56] <slept> which port is the cupsserver at ?
[10:56] <pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
[10:56] <slept> localhost:?
[10:57] <slept> pc03 : you can mount it
[10:58] <membreya> slept: cups is on 631
[10:58] <bob2> lok: no, I mean "it only works on single lines". vim could delete intervening text that spanned multiple lines.
[10:58] <membreya> slept: http://localhost:631/printers
[10:58] <slept> thanks
[10:59] <keffo> hm guys, one for all. what direct client to use in linux?
[10:59] <membreya> "direct client" ?
[11:00] <Ghost-nine> direct to what?
[11:00] <keffo> direct connect
[11:00] <keffo> sry, just woke up
[11:00] <membreya> oh, you mean DC :)
[11:00] <keffo> ofc ;)
[11:00] <membreya> ofc?
[11:00] <membreya> :|
[11:00] <membreya> damn acronyms!
[11:00] <keffo> of course
[11:00] <bob2> it's a random "file-trading" client
[11:00] <bob2> ala kazaa
[11:00] <keffo> ok, ill go poop.. when i gets back, i want a nice answer ;P
[11:01] <keffo> direct connect
[11:01] <Ghost-nine> membreya, yea, i hate remembering them too
[11:01] <pc03> slept.. wan-t to control the camera via gphoto2
[11:01] <keffo> its not really like kazaa
[11:01] <keffo> ;9
[11:01] <membreya> DC works off of "hubs"
[11:01] <lok> bob2, I don't understand on one text of some lines like [foo]  and [bar]  , if I use  sed s/"\[.*\] "/"\[\] "/ on it all the lines change to [] 
[11:02] <bob2> I don't understand your question
[11:02] <bob2> that's not what I was talking about before, tho
[11:07] <gabbana> Hi, is it "save" to remove ubuntu-desktop without loosing some functionality?
[11:08] <slept> gabana :apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[11:08] <apokryphos> gabbana: safe -- yes, of course. It's only a metapackage
[11:08] <Burgundavia> gabbana: yes and no
[11:08] <Burgundavia> gabbana: if you remove it and the devs change a package, then you won't get the change
[11:09] <Burgundavia> otherwise, yes
[11:09] <gabbana> Well, I have install XFCE and want to get rid of the gnome stuff (except for the gnome-volume-manager) because it seems to break some stuff here.
[11:09] <gabbana> *installed
[11:10] <apokryphos> gabbana: removing ubuntu-desktop won't remove anything
[11:11] <gabbana> Ok, while removing gnome packages synaptics told me that ubuntu-desktop would be removed as well - so it's ok. :)
[11:11] <echnaton> hi @all
[11:12] <spectrm> gabbana: what WM/DE are you planning on using?
[11:12] <echnaton> what about enlightenment dr17?
[11:12] <spectrm> echnaton: I love it...wouldn't use anything else
[11:12] <echnaton> me 2
[11:12] <spectrm> echnaton: but it's not for the faint of heart, quite yet
[11:13] <echnaton> yes youre right
[11:13] <spectrm> echnaton: you got the pager running yet?
[11:13] <echnaton> no i havent tried yet
[11:13] <spectrm> echnaton: enlightenment_remote -module-load pager
[11:14] <spectrm> echnaton: then go to your modules menu
[11:14] <apokryphos> gabbana: it is ok, yes.
[11:14] <gabbana> spectrm, I'm using XFCE 4.2
[11:14] <gabbana> I prefer performance over feature-rich environments.
[11:14] <echnaton> it have to install enlightenment dr17 an ubuntu! i installed it on fedora
[11:14] <spectrm> gabbana: okay...I guess I just don't know what's entailed in the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[11:14] <echnaton> spectrm
[11:14] <spectrm> gabbana: why not have both?
[11:15] <drasko_> Just wanted to make shure: is the jsdk1.5 the same thing as jdk1.5, since I can only find jdk1.5 on sun's site...
[11:15] <gabbana> It seems like some gnome stuff is breaking xfce for me. The desktop background won't apply, no context menu either and the taskbar also won't dock apps.
[11:15] <apokryphos> gabbana: one doesn't have to be sacrificed for the other.
[11:15] <spiral> hi
[11:15] <echnaton> spectrm: i only need gcc to compile enlightenment dr17?
[11:15] <spectrm> drasko_: jsdk will serve the same purpose as well as give more functionality for development
[11:15] <gabbana> apokryphos, it seems like it has to in my case. I wouldn't bother removing gnome otherwise. :/
[11:16] <spectrm> echnaton: well...you also need all the EFL packages
[11:16] <echnaton> yes
[11:16] <echnaton> i know!
[11:16] <echnaton> and gtk?
[11:16] <apokryphos> gabbana: don't know much about gnome; thinking of kde, myself.
[11:16] <spectrm> eww...kde..*shudders*
[11:16] <apokryphos> :P
[11:16] <gabbana> Well, I removed some gnome packages, left the ones relevant for evolution. I'll start a new X session and see how it works out. BRB
[11:17] <spectrm> echnaton: yes...gtk is still necessary for some packages
[11:17] <underlord> would a 100 mhz p1 system be enough to do voice recognition, not dictation, just to find a few specific phrases?
[11:17] <echnaton> ok i can make apt-get install gtk ?
[11:17] <spectrm> echnaton: but they're porting everything over to EWL, so it's won't be a dep for E packages for too long
[11:17] <underlord> if it were dedicated to doing that
[11:17] <spectrm> echnaton: might need gtk2 as well
[11:17] <echnaton> k
[11:18] <spectrm> underlord: meh...not sure, really...depends on the benchmarks of the recognition system
[11:18] <underlord> hrmmm
[11:19] <echnaton> what exaclty do i need? gtk-eniges???
[11:19] <underlord> because i have just such a system thats completly useless, and i think it would be realy cool to stick a mic in the roof light and have lighting, music, all that controled via voice, instead of ir remote or anything like that
[11:19] <spectrm> echnaton: there's a tutorial I found online...I'll link you to it...I think it has an ubuntu section on it
[11:20] <echnaton> cool
[11:20] <drasko_> spectrm, but there is not available jsdk1.5 for download on Sun's site, right? I can not find it...
[11:21] <motuline> Anyone have any idea why RealPlayer won't start
[11:21] <echnaton> because its shit^^
[11:21] <nmoore> motuline: i'm working on this just now, try killing esd
[11:21] <spectrm> echnaton: http://lude.net/edocs/ <- you'll have to hack through the debian install instructions, but it should make things a little easier to figure out
[11:21] <nmoore> motuline: there are locking problem with sound resources
[11:21] <echnaton> thank you very much spectrm
[11:22] <spectrm> drasko_: there is, but sun's site is really messed up...not very intuitive...best bet is to find a version of blackdown...it has a better sandbox for testing binaries anyways
[11:22] <omniscient> where are latex fonts kept?
[11:22] <motuline> nmoore: have you same thing with that.. (I click the icon but nothing happened.. or when I run it in terminal it just stay loading)
[11:23] <nmoore> motuline: the same, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7017.html
[11:23] <motuline> I think that I need esd :)
[11:23] <spectrm> drasko_: but anything that says sdk includes the full jdk as well as a development environment
[11:23] <themaxx> I'm about to intall Ubuntu (Hoary). I have 7GB unprtitioned space for Ubuntu. My laptop has 512MB of ram... Classic question! How should I partition it?? I want to have Suspend-To-Disk....
[11:23] <nmoore> motuline: that should give you everything you need, although i haven't satisfactorily solved every problem
[11:23] <motuline> its only working sound device
[11:23] <motuline> I think
[11:23] <nmoore> motuline: alsa doesn't work?
[11:24] <potsed> hi all
[11:24] <motuline> xmms says that some other device block alsa.. or xmms crashes
[11:24] <spectrm> themaxx: I don't know much about suspend to disk or how big the ubuntu binaries are, but you should always have a seperate /home partition in case you b0rk the system
[11:24] <nmoore> try changing your gnome sound subsystem to alsa, you'll lose the parallel streams but gain realplayer if my experience is typical
[11:24] <spectrm> themaxx: doesn't hurt to have a seperate /boot partition either
[11:25] <nmoore> themaxx: i second the idea of a home partition, so much easier if you want to change distro
[11:25] <themaxx> well, I'm npt ready to have a 100% Linux system yet... I have tp learn my way around a bit more... so my user files are now still on my NTFS partions...
[11:25] <nmoore> themaxx: can you write to them?
[11:25] <potsed> i have a problem entering passwords in the terminal, in ftp cvs or anything it does not accept. anyone else had similar
[11:26] <drasko_> spectrm, but I really can't find this sdk version 1.5, only version 1.4. Sun is giving only jdk for 1.5?
[11:26] <spectrm> themaxx: okay...you're home partition should still be linux based, so I'd say 1 gig for home, 512 meg for boot and the rest for /
[11:26] <themaxx> I never found a way to under Linux...  so I usualy just copy from NTFS to ext3 back and forth :P
[11:26] <spectrm> drasko_: all you should really need is the jdk anyways
[11:26] <motuline> nmoore: Is there some way to uninstall RealPlayer in "right" way
[11:26] <drasko_> spectrm, thanks!
[11:26] <spectrm> drasko_: np
[11:26] <gabbana> Well, no luck. :/
[11:26] <spectrm> themaxx: how do you mean?
[11:27] <nmoore> motuline: i'd guess not, why do you want to uninstall it?
[11:27] <motuline> don't know
[11:27] <motuline> :)
[11:27] <potsed> anybody plz
[11:27] <spectrm> potsed: reinstall pam and pam-login after reinstalling shadow
[11:28] <themaxx> Well, I'm quite new to Linux and I'm not ready to wipe off my data from my NTFS to ext3 yet. So now I usualy just copy them with readonly from the OS I am..
[11:28] <spectrm> apt-get install shadow; apt-get install pam pam-login
[11:28] <nmoore> motuline: better working with it in-place, fiddling with sound should solve the problem
[11:28] <motuline> how can I remove .bin packages "right" way? do I just remove folders that the installer have made?
[11:28] <sirukin> hmm
[11:29] <nmoore> motuline: that's almost certainly all the installer did, so removing folders is fine, but i'd leave it to avoid problems
[11:29] <themaxx> and SWAP should be about at least 1 time my RAM right?
[11:29] <drasko_> spectrm, btw, what is supposed to be blackdown?
[11:29] <potsed> spectrm, thx im a newb with linux.. do i do an apt-get install pam ???
[11:29] <motuline> nmoore: I'll leave realplayer but i asked it for the future..
[11:29] <spectrm> themaxx: well...make your boot partition primary at 512megs, I always do swap 2x(physical RAM), home partition 1gig max, for your needs, and the / gets the rest
[11:29] <spectrm> drasko_: it's an OSS java implementation
[11:30] <spectrm> potsed: shadow is first
[11:30] <motuline> I'll try to install mplayer first.. and then solve realplayer problems ^^
[11:30] <themaxx> spectrm: Thanks! I will follow your advice ;)
[11:30] <spectrm> potsed: then apt-get install pam pam-login (it should handle two packages in the same command..shadow should be explicitely first_
[11:30] <spectrm> themaxx: np
[11:31] <themaxx> All right.. off to install I am! (H) later!!
[11:31] <Linuxsys> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia
[11:31] <spectrm> themaxx: g'luck
[11:31] <Linuxsys> I found this article
[11:32] <spectrm> Linuxsys: that site also has a great article on securing apache
[11:32] <themaxx> hehehe I have trust in Ubuntu heheh
[11:32] <Linuxsys> It's about crushing a PC with a simple shellscript that runs unlimited processes
[11:32] <Linuxsys> And Ubunutu is affected
[11:32] <nmoore> Linuxsys: there are easier ways to crush a pc
[11:32] <spectrm> nmoore: yeah...install windows
[11:33] <potsed> spectrm: getting "Couldn't find package shadow"
[11:33] <spectrm> potsed: hmmm
[11:33] <Linuxsys> Yes, but I think this should be changed. As an administrator who knows about the problem it's no problem, but if a desktop user runs, eg an buggy program, Ubuntu will always crush when it runs into such a problem
[11:34] <spectrm> lemme flip through the ubuntu repo...anyone have a URI?
[11:34] <Linuxsys> It isn't only an security, it's also I think a problem in stability
[11:34] <spectrm> Linuxsys: most important thing is for users to know and be aware what their system is asking them to do
[11:34] <spectrm> Linuxsys: that's how that Sun/Firefox/IE problem propegated
[11:35] <lok> Linuxsys, I think they have multiple way to handle such things, maybe quota process or something else
[11:36] <spectrm> anyone have a URL for an ubuntu repo?
[11:40] <malte> spectrm, deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[11:40] <spectrm> malte: thnx
[11:40] <gbanay> after upgrading to hoary everything i type in GDM is in hebrew (should be english). how do i fix that?
[11:41] <marcel__> does ubuntu provide support for the Debian menu system?
[11:41] <spectrm> malte: you know what package shadow would be included in?
[11:41] <keffo> what ftp-clients best?
[11:41] <keffo> in your opinions
[11:42] <_4strO|Ult1m4t3> ++ all
[11:42] <spectrm> keffo: ftp
[11:42] <spectrm> keffo: cli rocks
[11:42] <nmoore> keffo: gftp is acceptable
[11:42] <keffo> ok
[11:42] <keffo> i dun like gftp at all .<
[11:42] <Rattboi> gftp kinda sucks
[11:42] <Rattboi> compared to like smartftp for windows
[11:42] <keffo> wich one should i use then ;P
[11:42] <spectrm> keffo: gnome-commander can be used as an ftp client and power-filebrowser
[11:43] <keffo> i want a app made for ftp so.. .<
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: multipaneled browsing and ftp
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: it handles the same as smartftp
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: two seperate panels
[11:43] <quartz> I just instaled win2000. How can i add it to Grub?
[11:43] <lok> if you use ftp just sometimes you can also use nautilus
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: there's inherently no difference between handling FSs on an ftp mount as opposed to local mount...the system API is still the same
[11:44] <zzyber> if i connect to another linux (debian) with ssh i dont get swedish characters, is it a way round this?
[11:44] <gbanay> can someone help me? i cannot login because i can't type my username...
[11:44] <spectrm> zzyber: change the local specification for your shell in your home dir
[11:44] <csj> BTW, and is any gui ftp client cnould remenber that  unfinish download last time?
[11:44] <spectrm> zzyber: depends on the shell and flavor of distro, though...so check debian howtos
[11:45] <chickenman> hey every one :D
[11:45] <motuline> YEA.. Now mplayer-gui works ^^
[11:45] <zzyber> spectrm, i use utf-8 but i think the debian server is running iso8859-1 can that be the problem?
[11:45] <spectrm> potsed: can't see which package includes shadow...but if you reinstall pam and pam-login then log out and back in it should correct the problem
[11:46] <potsed> spectrm: k ill give it a go thx..
[11:46] <spectrm> zzyber: like I said, I think it's mostly in your shell rc file in your home dir...see if there's a ~/.bashrc, if not, make one and follow debian's method for making swedish characters in the shell, if it still doesn't work after that contact your network admin
[11:47] <malte> keffo, lftp! :)
[11:47] <zzyber> spectrm, okey, thx
[11:47] <malte> spectrm, 2 sec
[11:48] <potsed> spectrm: same prob .. "Couldn't find package pam"
[11:48] <spectrm> potsed: wow....that's strange as hell
[11:48] <spectrm> potsed: what DE/WM?
[11:49] <malte> spectrm, hum. apt-file can't find the packages that contains shadow
[11:49] <spectrm> malte: strange
[11:49] <spectrm> malte: I'd assume pam and shadow are used if it runs gnome
[11:49] <jintxo> hey guys, anyone got a script or pointers to one to set id3 tags based on filenames?
[11:49] <spectrm> hell..those are included by default, most times
[11:49] <iRob> try an app called EasyTag
[11:50] <spectrm> jintxo: easytag
[11:50] <jintxo> :-)
[11:50] <jintxo> thanks
[11:50] <spectrm> iRob: ;)
[11:50] <iRob> great minds think alike
[11:50] <potsed> spectrm: ??DE/WM??
[11:50] <niran> jinxto: i second the easytag recommendation, but i think it breaks on non english tags
[11:50] <niran> so dont run it over your whole collection, or some things might break
[11:50] <iRob> potsed, gnome
[11:50] <jintxo> I was trying to bake up a script with awk (or sed) and usind "id3" to set the tag.... kinda hard :-p lemme check out easytag
[11:51] <spectrm> potsed: desktop environment/window manager
[11:51] <iRob> jintxo, just trying out Audio Tag Tool...looks promising too...
[11:51] <jintxo> niran, thanks, it's just a few directories
[11:51] <potsed> spectrm: using gnome2 ubuntu warty 4.10
[11:52] <spectrm> potsed: gnome2??
[11:52] <Amaranth> 2.8
[11:52] <spectrm> Amaranth: okay...better
[11:53] <iRob> growisofs wont burn faster that 4x on my 8x DVD-R's....anything I should be setting/checking?
[11:53] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[11:53] <spectrm> potsed: honestly, reinstalling shadow, pam and pam-login fixed it in FC3 and gentoo when it happened to me...if those packages aren't in the repo or are named something else, I honestly wouldn't know where to start
[11:53] <motuline> how i can make mplayer use esd sound device?
[11:53] <optika> motuline: see /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:54] <potsed> spectrm: thx for trying, appreciate it... i'll keep looking
[11:54] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth, I can't login to gnome. i must do everything from the CLI.
[11:55] <spectrm> potsed: maybe describe your problem to Amaranth or iRob...I'm just not familiar with ubuntu
[11:55] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: That isn't quite true. logging in through cli then running startx should get you to gnome
[11:55] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: first do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure you have the right one set
[11:55] <Amaranth> spectrm: I don't go that low level. :P
[11:56] <spectrm> Amaranth: ah
[11:56] <tux> I have ubuntu hoary and I want to be warned of the bugs of the packages when I do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. How can I do it?
[11:57] <Chipzz> tux: dunnow if that is possible, but there is something else that may help you
[11:57] <Amaranth> tux: get a time machine so you can go back in time and tell yourself not to install those if they have bugs?
[11:57] <spectrm> isn't there an RSS feed for ubuntu updates and security patches?
[11:57] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: en_US.UTF8 is the default. startx gives me an error: user not authorized to run the x server.
[11:57] <Chipzz> tux: apt-listchanges, it shows you the changelog between the version currently installed and the version to be installed
[11:57] <Burgundavia> tux: when hoary becomes stable, there will a mailing list for security updates
[11:58] <Amaranth> tux: seriously, not possible
[11:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> should one edit xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 these days ?
[11:58] <spectrm> Amaranth: isn't there an RSS feed for ubuntu updates and security patches?
[11:58] <iRob> az[a] zel_ubuntu, xorg is you are using it.
[11:58] <sirukin> hoary?
[11:58] <Amaranth> spectrm: It wouldn't tell you if apt-get dist-upgrade would introduce new bugs.
[11:58] <Burgundavia> tux: you can also subscribe to the warty mailing list for security updates, anything is warty is also going to be updated in hoary generally
[11:58] <apokryphos> az[a] zel_ubuntu: xorg.conf is the one to go for; regardless of what x you're using
[11:58] <Burgundavia> az[a] zel_ubuntu: hoary=xorg warty=xfree86
[11:58] <apokryphos> (in hoary)
[11:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> cool thanks
[11:58] <spectrm> Amaranth: no...but you should always review all software updates before making the changes
[11:59] <tux> amaranth: I have installed the package apt-listbugs but I don't know how I can use it
[11:59] <Daelomin> hi everyone
[11:59] <Amaranth> spectrm: meh, i know what most of the packages do and have a live cd for system restoration if something breaks
[11:59] <Daelomin> glad I found ya :)
[12:00] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: en_US.UTF8 is the default. startx gives me an error: user not authorized to run the x server.
[12:00] <manchine> hoary loads emu10k1 for my old audigy but it fails to enable sound input. how can i workaround this?
[12:00] <spectrm> Amaranth: trusy liveCDs
[12:00] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: I saw, I have no idea.
[12:00] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: file a bug
[12:00] <Daelomin> manchine: do you see the volume move if u play an audio file?
[12:01] <spectrm> H0lyD4wg: are you running as root?
[12:01] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: i'll file one re:GDM, but in the mean time do you have any idea why can't i startx and what can i do to fix it?
[12:01] <H0lyD4wg> spectrm: no.
[12:02] <spectrm> H0lyD4wg: okay...then it sounds broken
[12:02] <manchine> Daelomin: sure, but only the output
[12:02] <spectrm> just had to ask since root should never run X
[12:02] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: Ok, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:02] <Amaranth> make sure the keyboard is set to english
[12:02] <manchine> Daelomin: input has no slide...
[12:02] <Daelomin> Can anyone tell me what this: mount: special device /dev/hd3 does not exist , refers to? The partition appears in a fdisk -l
[12:02] <Chipzz> Daelomin: you're missing a letter
[12:02] <Amaranth> Daelomin: hda3
[12:02] <scandium> manchine, I have the same problem, input doesn't work for me either
[12:03] <Amaranth> Daelomin: or hdb3, hdc3, hdd3, etc
[12:03] <Daelomin> hdb3 sorry
[12:03] <manchine> scandium: welcome :)
[12:04] <Daelomin> manchine: did you try running alsa?
[12:04] <manchine> Daelomin: no alsaconf command available
[12:04] <manchine> Daelomin: alsa-base is already installed
[12:05] <manchine> Daelomin: o i need something more?
[12:05] <raghu> anyone knows good document for NAS
[12:05] <scandium> manchine, alsa-utils
[12:05] <scandium> oh, that's not it either
[12:05] <manchine> scandium: it seems that it didn't help you much :)
[12:05] <Rattboi> I don't have alsaconf either
[12:06] <Rattboi> which package is it in?
[12:07] <scandium> I am also not sure wether I need "alsa" or "esd" in system->preferences->multimedia, both seem to make sense ;)
[12:07] <kresten> Hi everybody! Does any of you guys (or gals) know if there is a grafical ftp client bundled whith warty?
[12:07] <jintxo> kresten, try gftp see how it gies
[12:07] <jintxo> goes
[12:08] <Daelomin> Man ... this bug is a nasty one: did anyone encounter thispivot_root: No such file or dir /sbin/init : 429 : cannot open dev/console:  no such file Kernel Panic: attempted to kill init!
[12:09] <Daelomin> it's referenced in Bugzilla but I cant manage to fix it... and now I cant boot inside Ubuntu (using LiveCD now)
[12:09] <kresten> jintxo, yeah, well. I thougth of that too, but had no luck finding it on my machine... any suggestions?
[12:10] <Daelomin> kresten:did you install it with synaptic?
[12:10] <manchine> hehe
[12:10] <manchine> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[12:10] <manchine> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded.
[12:10] <manchine> manchine@cm46024:~$ sudo alsaconf
[12:10] <manchine> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[12:11] <jintxo> kresten, you could install it...
[12:11] <manchine> i wonder where alsaconf is, after all...
[12:11] <motuline> no realplayer works
[12:11] <motuline> but i still have no sound in mplayer
[12:12] <motuline> yes
[12:12] <kresten> daelomin, Nope, tried with apt, but it said that there was som broken packages...
[12:12] <motuline> now i have sounds in mplayer
[12:12] <motuline> :)
[12:12] <motuline> skilz
[12:12] <Daelomin> kresten: ah well then its not installed ;P
[12:13] <Daelomin> kresten: any specific message?
[12:14] <motuline> Weird
[12:14] <motuline> :)
[12:14] <kresten> daelomin, Well I'm trying to resolve my dependencies now
[12:14] <motuline> xine uses esd, mplayer uses oss and now xmms uses alsa and it works
[12:15] <Daelomin> has anyone made K3B work?
[12:15] <joh> Hello, I'm wondering if it is possible to download all packages from the hoary main repositories so installing packages does not require me to download anything from the internet..?
[12:15] <mchasard> hi
[12:15] <kresten> Daelomin, But yes. It needed gftp-gtk and some other stuff, but im trying to resolve those dependencies now...
[12:16] <mchasard> hi
[12:16] <Daelomin> aight kresten, gl ;)
[12:16] <Rattboi> Daelomin, I use K3B
[12:16] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: thanks, that fixed it.
[12:16] <goldfish> mchasard: hi
[12:16] <kresten> Daelomin, thnx :)
[12:16] <mchasard> i just test kubuntu ..and i can't mount my other hard disk ...
[12:16] <Rattboi> all I did was use synaptic, looked it up, installed it, and it also installed a bunch of KDE stuff
[12:17] <Daelomin> Rattboi: did u have a problem with that goddamn cdrecord not being able to open the device ?
[12:17] <slept> where/how do I turn on direct rendering with fglrx
[12:19] <Daelomin> Rattboi: you didnt install cdrdao ?
[12:19] <Rattboi> Daelomin: possibly
[12:19] <spiral> hi back
[12:19] <mchasard> so for my devices which doesn't appear ?
[12:19] <Rattboi> whatever packages were dependancies for K3B, I installed
[12:19] <Rattboi> I'm not on that machine atm, so I can't tell you exactly
[12:20] <Rattboi> I just know it was really easy for me
[12:20] <Daelomin> k coz in my case CDRDAO wasnt in the dependencies
[12:20] <Daelomin> but it still didnt fix the problem
[12:20] <Daelomin> night man
[12:20] <membreya> night Amaranth
[12:20] <manchine> which package bundles alsaconf?
[12:21] <deFrysk> alsatools
[12:21] <deFrysk> i think
[12:21] <deFrysk> or alsautils
[12:21] <Daelomin> yeah alsa-utils
[12:22] <manchine> Daelomin: nope
[12:22] <Daelomin> which version are you running manchine?
[12:22] <manchine> Daelomin: that is already installed and no alsaconf whatsoever
[12:22] <Daelomin> did anyone run WMV succesfully yet?
[12:22] <Rattboi> same here
[12:22] <manchine> 5.04
[12:22] <Rattboi> same here, again
[12:23] <Rattboi> I'm running newest hoary, and I don't have alsaconf anywhere
[12:23] <Daelomin> weird, I had it ...
[12:23] <Rattboi> but I have alsa-utils installed
[12:23] <Daelomin> right now I cant help you though, coz I am trying to be able to boot back in :P
[12:24] <Daelomin> "trying to be able" == "you're struggling hard"
[12:24] <Daelomin> hehe
[12:24] <manchine> annoying, annoying
[12:24] <mchasard> is theres some automount on kubuntu ?
[12:25] <mchasard> i just see fstab and my other devices doesn't appear ...
[12:25] <slept> where can I find modconf
[12:26] <Daelomin> mchasard: did you do mount -a ?
[12:27] <mchasard> i try ...ok
[12:29] <deresh> hi to all
[12:29] <mchasard> theres allways nothing in mnt
[12:29] <deresh> i have a question related to isdn support in hoary
[12:30] <deresh> if anyone has a time to answer me :)
[12:30] <limaunion> after upgrading yesterday to Hoary the mouse cursor is differente, there a 'watch' and previously there was a more elegant circle and the same for the arrow, any idea to revert this?
[12:31] <Daelomin> mchasard: well is your fstab configured properly? do you see the partitions in fdisk ?
[12:31] <deresh> anyone ??
[12:31] <mchasard> how to launch fdisk ?
[12:31] <Daelomin> sudo fdisk -l
[12:32] <mchasard> ok i try
[12:32] <sparkyz> has anyone had any problems installing kubuntu on a Dell C800 laptop?
[12:32] <kaouete> sparkyz: try #kubuntu
[12:32] <mchasard> yes i can see my partitions
[12:32] <mchasard> with you command
[12:32] <mchasard> fdisk _l
[12:33] <sparkyz> okay ;)
[12:33] <Daelomin> so does mount -a give you any error messages??
[12:33] <mchasard> so how to mnt those partitions ?
[12:33] <kaouete> sparkyz: what is your problem ?
[12:33] <mchasard> no no error ...
[12:33] <kaouete> in fact, ubuntu and kubuntu share the same base, so i guess you can ask here
[12:33] <deresh> anyone know something about isdn support in kernel 2.6.10
[12:33] <cavediver> Anyone having problems downloading stuff from FF in hoary ?
[12:34] <cavediver> It has stop working all of a sudden.
[12:34] <slept> mchasard: fstab is no device, it's a file containing information for the devices . with cat /etc/fstab you can see if it's  inside
[12:34] <sparkyz> ok
[12:34] <sparkyz> erm
[12:34] <deresh> or i'm the only one using isdn here :)
[12:34] <sparkyz> basically on my Dell C800 laptop it does not install
[12:34] <sparkyz> on my desktop it is fine
[12:34] <Burgundavia> cavediver: known issue
[12:34] <sparkyz> but on my C800 during the base install it has some issue with init-rd dependancy
[12:35] <sparkyz> im performing base install again to get exact error
[12:35] <mchasard> yes i know but the line concerning the other devices are not here
[12:35] <cavediver> Burgundavia: ahh, thanks for that. You have a link to the bug-description?
[12:35] <mchasard> i have to add them ?
[12:35] <deresh> where has gone misdn support in kernel 2.6.10
[12:35] <motuline> does anyone have same problem with realplayer (plays video very slow.. sounds come before video
[12:36] <sparkyz> so I dunno if its to do with the laptop
[12:36] <AMIGrAve> after installing a new kernel (2.6.10-5-k7) Xorg can't use nvidia driver anymore. Should I purge and reinstall nvidia-glx package or just copy the nvidia.ko module from li/modules 2.6.10-4-386 to the new 2.6.10-5-57 ?
[12:36] <mchasard> dev/mapper/casper-snapshot / auto noatime 0 0
[12:36] <mchasard> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[12:36] <mchasard> its the only things in the fstab file
[12:36] <Daelomin> what does fdisk give you?
[12:37] <Mpi> Hi! Ive just downloaded Ubuntu from its site. but I wonder, why is it Winrar and not Image?? I cant burn winrar as an image, can I?
[12:37] <mchasard> Disque /dev/hda: 6448 Mo, 6448619520 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> 255 ttes, 63 secteurs/piste, 784 cylindres
[12:37] <mchasard> Units = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> Priphrique Amorce    Dbut         Fin      Blocs    Id  Systme
[12:37] <mchasard> /dev/hda1   *           1         784     6297448+   b  W95 FAT32
[12:37] <mchasard> Disque /dev/hdb: 40.0 Go, 40020664320 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> 255 ttes, 63 secteurs/piste, 4865 cylindres
[12:37] <mchasard> Units = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> Priphrique Amorce    Dbut         Fin      Blocs    Id  Systme
[12:37] <mchasard> /dev/hdb1   *           1        4865    39078081    7  HPFS/NTFS
[12:37] <superted> Mpi: tried to unrar the file?
[12:37] <Odysseus> Mpi: it is an image
[12:38] <Daelomin> so which did you want to install?
[12:38] <Mpi> No its not one Image, but a bunch of files
[12:38] <Odysseus> winrar just recognizes it as an file that's expandable
[12:38] <Mpi> no cues and bins
[12:38] <Odysseus> just open the dir in dos
[12:38] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> it should be a .iso
[12:38] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> burn with nero
[12:38] <Odysseus> and you'll see
[12:38] <mchasard> i'm want only use it for a live cd use
[12:38] <deresh> doesn't anyone know something about misdn and kernel 2.6.10??
[12:38] <Mpi> Odysseus: Oh yeah, of course. That makes sense
[12:38] <sparkyz> kaouete any ideas?
[12:39] <kaouete> sparkyz: none
[12:39] <sparkyz> dang :(
[12:39] <kaouete> sorry
[12:39] <Mpi> I just got confused :)
[12:39] <sparkyz> like I said the install is fine with my desktop :)
[12:39] <Mpi> thx
[12:39] <kaouete> sparkyz: try #kubuntu anyway
[12:39] <Odysseus> np
[12:39] <sparkyz> lol ubuntu is identical to kubuntu
[12:39] <superted> When is Hoary release date?
[12:39] <kaouete> sparkyz: did you search on the bugzilla or the forums of ubuntu.com ?
[12:39] <sparkyz> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde packages..
[12:39] <Odysseus> I'm trying to burn the iso-file of the 4.10 release with nero
[12:39] <sparkyz> yeah I did a search
[12:40] <Odysseus> and the following error occures: "entered block size does not correspond with image size"
[12:40] <sparkyz> I believe it might be hardware related..
[12:40] <Odysseus> Nero asks me to correct or ignore
[12:40] <sparkyz> not entirely sure.
[12:40] <slept> mchasard:  mount -t type(ntfs or fat)  /dev/hd...(a1 or b1)     /mnt
[12:40] <Odysseus> anyone an idea what to do?
[12:40] <kaouete> sparkyz: yes, it's why you can try this chan, maybe there is people there that are not here and who know
[12:40] <sparkyz> yeah I'm on both atm
[12:40] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Odysseus, check md5sum ... oh I don't know how to do that in windows
[12:41] <Odysseus> sparkyz: what's md5sum?
[12:43] <omniscient> anyone familiar with latex?
[12:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Odysseus, checksum.. I was thinking your file might be corrupted.. comparing md5sum of what you have, to what is hosted on the ftp site would tell you if it's corrupted
[12:43] <sparkyz> erm
[12:43] <sparkyz> well I did an integrity check
[12:43] <sparkyz> but didnt check md5..
[12:44] <sparkyz> cant be the cd becuase I installed with the same cd on my desktop
[12:44] <sparkyz> desktop is installed fine and going great.
[12:44] <Odysseus> so, what's the easiest solution? just download the iso again?
[12:44] <sparkyz> yeah
[12:44] <sparkyz> :)
[12:45] <Odysseus> owkey
[12:45] <Odysseus> thx
[12:45] <HiddenWolf> I just burned a cd on my new nec3250, but graveman doesn't seem to work on a dvd
[12:45] <sparkyz> seems to be with ubuntu-keyring and ubuntu-base
[12:45] <deresh> anyone know something about misdn support in ubuntu???
[12:46] <sparkyz> says ubuntu-keyring is not configured and ubuntu-base requires unbuntu-keyring to be installed.
[12:46] <keyes> hello
[12:46] <devazion> Why is ubuntu releasing 2000 new releases all the time? Isnt the schedual a bit to tight? ;)
[12:46] <ogra> deresh, there is no upstream anymore, misdn is dead...
[12:47] <keyes> i've a problem with apt, probably a debconf pb : debconf: Problem setting up the database defined by stanza 5 of /etc/debconf.conf. (followed by syntax error) when using apt
[12:47] <keyes> how can I fix that ?
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone know why I can burn cds in graveman but not not dvds? Is there something I need to install?
[12:52] <ogra> HiddenWolf, growisofs and friends
[12:52] <aileenmax> hello, i just installed hoary.... i cant seem to see the apache default page... ps ax shows the apache processes
[12:52] <ogra> HiddenWolf, look in the preferences "external programs" tab....
[12:54] <ogra> HiddenWolf, you also need enough space in the specified temp dir for the image...
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> ogra: that'll be the problem then.
[12:58] <manchine> alsa-utils in hoary 5.04 does not supply alsaconf. funny, funny, funny
[12:59] <manchine> bug, neglect or just some brand new policy? oh my...
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> ogra:do you know the package names of growisofs and friends?
[01:02] <Daelomin> manchine: "This Bug was tailored for you"
[01:02] <Daelomin> heh
[01:03] <manchine> Daelomin: at least one or to fellows overhere have reported the same
[01:03] <manchine> 2
[01:04] <manchine> besides me
[01:05] <membreya> WOOOHOOOO!!! new high score in crack-attack! :D
[01:05] <manchine> it's really a pain in the ass to switch back to mepis because of this irritant nothing
[01:05] <motuline> anyone knows why mine RealPlayer poke's (it mplayer and xine works great but realplayer wont work so good)
[01:06] <arturaz> hello. i've selected english when i've been installing ubuntu
[01:06] <arturaz> now how do i install aditional lanugages?
[01:06] <deresh> ogra: so what do i use for isdn now?
[01:06] <deresh> ogra: old isdn4linux or???
[01:07] <ogra> deresh, avm was nice enough to allow us to distribute their binary drivers....no idea for other manufacturers
[01:07] <membreya> doesn't anyone care that I got a new high score in crack-attack ? :(
[01:07] <toto> Hi! how to: desactivate network configuration at boot time and howto start interfaces manually in Ubuntu?
[01:07] <slept> arturaz: run base-config
[01:08] <deresh> ogra: i have Asuscom in-100 card ... it worked with old hisax and misdn hfcpci driver
[01:09] <slept> arturaz: base-config won't help - sorry
[01:09] <ogra> deresh, the only idea is to poke the misdn guys, they still have a mailing list, but didnt respond to any of our requests, misdn segfaults with 2.6.10
[01:10] <arturaz> slept, hmm. i took old debian approach and generated lt_LT locales, however when gnome boots it says it cannot use those
[01:10] <deresh> ogra: i see...i should try that..i would hate to have to leave ubuntu linux( its my favourite now :)) yust because lack of isdn support...
[01:10] <keyes> hello
[01:10] <ogra> deresh, another (bad) idea wouldbe to use the warty kernel
[01:11] <membreya> arturaz: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:11] <arturaz> i did that
[01:11] <deresh> ogra: yes i am using that now ( 2.6.8.x) version which has a misdn support ( im online with ubuntu now)
[01:11] <arturaz> generated locales
[01:11] <arturaz> however i can't use those
[01:11] <membreya> hrm
[01:11] <keyes> I've a problem at apt-get update : http://pastebin.com/260114 someone can help me ?
[01:12] <deresh> ogra: thanx for your answers....see ya later  i have to go now :)
[01:12] <ogra> deresh, bye
[01:12] <membreya> keyes: post ya sources.list
[01:12] <membreya> .lst even
[01:12] <keyes> ok
[01:13] <membreya> erm .list
[01:13] <membreya> im too tired
[01:13] <keyes> source.list : http://pastebin.com/260116
[01:14] <slept> arturaz:did you try install-language-locales
[01:14] <HiddenWolf> What is a good dvd burning frontend?
[01:14] <keyes> k3b
[01:14] <slept> Hiddenwolf: k3b
[01:14] <membreya> keyes: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ....that looks kinda incomplete to me :P
[01:14] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu > gnome
[01:14] <membreya> gnomebaker / graveman :)
[01:15] <slept> k3b works with gnome aswell
[01:15] <keyes> oops i've miss the end : warty-security main restricted
[01:15] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: ubuntu > can run kde programs.
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> apoktyphos: Yeah, but I'd rather not install all the kde libs just to burn a backup
[01:16] <keyes> some good programs on KDE like amarok or k3b
[01:17] <keyes> an idea for my pb ? :s
[01:19] <slept> keyes: deselect update
[01:19] <keyes> ok
[01:21] <motuline> why the hell realplayer won't work properly
[01:24] <membreya> keyes: did finishing off your line fix the problem ?
[01:25] <Daelomin> bbl
[01:25] <slept> motuline: why do you want to use realplayer ?
[01:26] <motuline> I have couple of videos etc. what reguires realplayer
[01:27] <slept> motuline: totem will play them
[01:27] <motuline> ok
[01:28] <topyli> realplayer doesn't play nice with esd
[01:29] <motuline> I have realplayer launcher in menu.. how can I remove it
[01:30] <topyli> motuline: /usr/share/applications/realplay.desktop
[01:31] <motuline> argh.. when i try to open totem it says: Resource busy or not available
[01:32] <ogra> chickenman, the ground is not very solid i here (to many people) be careful
[01:32] <chickenman> :| what ?
[01:32] <topyli> membreya: no political debate here please :)
[01:32] <ogra> :)
[01:33] <membreya> :| topyli keyes ..as in the user..as in I'm waiting for a response from him :P
[01:33] <topyli> heh
[01:33] <topyli> my mistake. i read "keynes" :D
[01:33] <membreya> want some sauce for your foot topyli ? :)
[01:34] <topyli> salsa please
[01:34] <topyli> or chutney :)
[01:34] <topyli> awwww
[01:34] <membreya> ummm ....
[01:35] <ikaro> mojn
[01:36] <chickenman> :\
[01:36] <membreya> well done chickenman ..you discovered how to kill all forms of conversation :)
[01:37] <chickenman> hehe :D
[01:37] <topyli> heh
[01:37] <keyes> membreya, what ?
[01:37] <chickenman> i do that a lot ;)
[01:37] <membreya> keyes: did you fix the problem ?
[01:38] <chickenman> zzzzz......
[01:38] <keyes> membreya, yeah just now :-D
[01:39] <keyes> i've found the fix on usenet
[01:39] <membreya> and ..how ?
[01:39] <membreya> oh ok :)
[01:39] <usual> It's my birthday! w00t
[01:39] <sirukin> hehe
[01:39] <membreya> usual: ..noone cared about my new high score in crack-attack..noone will care about your birthday :(
[01:39] <keyes> Copying /var/lib/dpkg/status-old in place of /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:39] <usual> membreya: damn the man
[01:40] <ogra> membreya, how high ?
[01:40] <sirukin> hehe
[01:40] <usual> topyli: ahh ty
[01:40] <membreya> ogra: 801
[01:40] <ogra> usual, happy b-day
[01:40] <usual> chickenman: mmmmm
[01:40] <usual> ogra: ty :)
[01:40] <ogra> membreya, thats not bad
[01:40] <usual> I get alot of lag
[01:40] <usual> 204ms at the moment
[01:40] <membreya> i just HAD to beat aluminium angel ... >:( (default top score) ..but then the prick of a computer didn't save my high score..so I had to write it manually
[01:41] <Spooks> Hmm
[01:42] <usual> is fontconfig fixed in foary? I was going to upgrade but I don't know if the version I see in hoary is the broken one or if it was fixed
[01:42] <chickenman> foary ?? WTF :/
[01:42] <membreya> chickenman: it's the scooby do very of hoary :P
[01:42] <malte> heh
[01:43] <usual> roary
[01:43] <membreya> or maybe it's astro "ri roarge!"
[01:43] <usual> rut roh
[01:43] <membreya> hehe :P
[01:43] <chickenman> :={}
[01:44] <usual> Random Fortune: <SomeLamer> what's the difference between chattr and chmod? <SomeGuru> SomeLamer: man chattr > 1; man chmod > 2; diff -u 1 2 | less 	-- Seen on #linux on irc
[01:44] <membreya> :|
[01:44] <membreya> great...nerd jokes
[01:45] <thenuke> that was great
[01:45] <chickenman> ooops
[01:45] <usual> chickenman: me either, I am learning features in the KDE irc client'
[01:45] <usual> Random Fortune: Footnotes are for things you believe don't really belong in LDP manuals, but want to include anyway. 	-- Joel N. Weber II discussing the 'make' chapter of LPG
[01:46] <usual> Uptime: 10 hours and 42 minutes
[01:46] <membreya> 2 hrs 57 mins. beat that :P
[01:47] <chickenman> 2:14 :P
[01:47] <membreya> :P
[01:48] <usual> this irc client is nice
[01:48] <usual> I used to think xchat was the only one I liked
[01:48] <membreya> what client is it usual ?
[01:48] <usual> Konversation
[01:48] <membreya> KDE
[01:48] <membreya> gah
[01:48] <usual> appears to be the default in kde 3.4
[01:48] <az[a] zel> 23:18:25 up 31 min,  0 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.19, 0.21
[01:48] <usual> hey don't knock it
[01:48] <slurpas> whats the command to se the pid of xmms, if i wanna kill it? :=)
[01:48] <usual> I just installed it
[01:48] <membreya> damn! az[a] zel wins
[01:48] <usual> KDE 3.4 is 50% faster than it used to be
[01:48] <usual> very snappy
[01:49] <az[a] zel> slurpas, ps -Af |grep xmms
[01:49] <slurpas> ahh, thx! :D
[01:49] <chickenman> :|
[01:49] <az[a] zel> ps -Af | grep xmms | head -1 | gawk '{ print $2 }'
[01:50] <membreya> usual: next thing, you'll be running enlightenment :P
[01:50] <az[a] zel> kill `ps -Af | grep xmms | head -1 | gawk '{ print $2 }'`
[01:50] <membreya> stop it az[a] zel, you've proved your nerdiness
[01:50] <Kate> hello
[01:50] <chickenman> im learning python :P
[01:50] <az[a] zel> heh
[01:50] <slurpas> :P
[01:50] <usual> membreya: I ran enlightenment for years
[01:50] <usual> membreya: gnome was shitty up until very recent releases
[01:50] <az[a] zel> i used to hate gnome, but it's starting to come good
[01:50] <membreya> i've noticed by peoples opinions usual :)
[01:50] <Kate> can someone please tell me where i am and what i am doing? preferably without being obnoxious?
[01:50] <membreya> hi kate
[01:51] <membreya> kate: what seems to be the trouble?
[01:51] <usual> your in IRC
[01:51] <az[a] zel> heh this should be good
[01:51] <Kate> oh cool
[01:51] <usual> and you are chillenw ith all of us
[01:51] <Kate> thats a good thing
[01:51] <Kate> its a little hazy... opera wasnt being too clear about what was happening
[01:51] <usual> I told ya Konversation chickenman
[01:52] <chickenman> :| i like X-chat
[01:52] <az[a] zel> X-Chat is the r0x0r
[01:52] <usual> chickenman: so do I but I had never seen or used Konversation
[01:52] <Kate> i cant get the internet on ubuntu
[01:52] <usual> very nice
[01:52] <membreya> chickenman: yes but usual is being elitist :P
[01:52] <Kate> so im stuck using windows xp until i figure it out
[01:52] <usual> Kate: dial up?
[01:52] <az[a] zel> Kate, you're using the internet.. you're in IRC
[01:52] <Kate> lol
[01:52] <chickenman> kate , USB modem ?
[01:52] <az[a] zel> heh
[01:52] <membreya> Kate: pppoe
[01:52] <Kate> i know i was online but irc? this is new to me
[01:53] <Kate> mmm
[01:53] <usual> Kate: what sort of connection
[01:53] <Kate> dialup
[01:53] <az[a] zel> Internet Relay Chat
[01:53] <usual> eeek
[01:53] <usual> winmodem?
[01:53] <chickenman> ewwww dial-up
[01:53] <az[a] zel> uh oh, she probably has a winmodem
[01:53] <usual> heh
[01:53] <Kate> i know what irc is, i just havent used it before...
[01:53] <FallenHitokiri> Kate: what's the name of your modem?
[01:53] <Kate> please dont be mean... just because i have  a rubbish connection
[01:53] <Kate> let me check
[01:54] <az[a] zel> if it's lucent, there's a good chance for a driver, eh?
[01:54] <chickenman> kate , are you a girl ??
[01:54] <membreya> being mean is a part of life :P
[01:54] <membreya> chickenman: ..back!
[01:54] <az[a] zel> but didn't they close those drivers? You have to pay or something now
[01:54] <membreya> az[a] zel: yup
[01:54] <chickenman> :O
[01:54] <mallum> daniels, hey
[01:54] <FallenHitokiri> az[a] zel: there are chances for many winmodems
[01:54] <Kate> agere systems pci soft modem
[01:55] <chickenman> girls and linux just don't mix :O
[01:55] <Kate> yes chickenman, i am a girl
[01:55] <Kate> oh haha
[01:55] <Kate> males and explosives dont mix
[01:55] <slept> how old are you ???
[01:55] <chickenman> ooo i happen to have some explosives :P
[01:55] <Spooks> They do
[01:55] <Kate> lol
[01:55] <Spooks> It's just kinda messy
[01:56] <FallenHitokiri> chickenman: cut it out. i think my girlfriend would kick some asses if you want to compare skills... :p
[01:56] <az[a] zel> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
[01:56] <Kate> lol
[01:56] <chickenman> :\
[01:56] <az[a] zel> there are debian packages there, but I dont know if they'll work with ubuntu
[01:56] <Kate> ok
[01:56] <membreya> FallenHitokiri: ...the opinion of girls and linux don't mix will stand until one of them writes an OS :)
[01:56] <az[a] zel> heh, it's funny how they list apt as a source of getting those drivers.. but you need internet access for apt to work
[01:57] <Kate> oh haha
[01:57] <Kate> i say that alot
[01:57] <Kate> ok
[01:57] <Kate> will a regular dialup account work?
[01:57] <membreya> az[a] zel: you could use apt-proxy to get it off the net, or you could establish you own apt-source on a cd :)
[01:57] <spiral> hmmm... anyone here knows if smb is working on openoffice.org2 testing release update in hoary ?
[01:57] <membreya> Kate: yes :)
[01:57] <membreya> smb..OO.o2 spiral ?
[01:58] <membreya> what's a network system got to do with OO.o2?
[01:58] <Kate> cool
[01:58] <spiral> membreya: smb : somebody
[01:58] <az[a] zel> hmm the drivers for 2.6 kernels are beta only
[01:58] <membreya> az[a] zel: i meant apt-proxy to get it off the network
[01:58] <spiral> membreya: not samba
[01:58] <membreya> aaaah :)
[01:58] <membreya> stop mixing up acronyms, it's hard enough as it is!
[01:58] <spiral> membreya: all right, I'll try
[01:58] <Kate> so i get the debian one?
[01:59] <Kate> i need caffeine
[01:59] <Kate> brb
[01:59] <az[a] zel> Kate, wait, im not sure these will work
[01:59] <membreya> it's midnight..of course you need caffeine kate :)
[02:00] <slept> where can i switch direct rendering on for RV280 ?
[02:00] <az[a] zel> Kate,  for one, they're for the 2.4 kernel, you would be running 2.6.. 2) they're for debian, not ubuntu, 3) they might not be the right driver for your modem :)
[02:00] <chickenman> girls are soo dum (well most of them) i told one girl when she had a prob with windows to use format c: in dos and she DID IT! LOL
[02:00] <davix> how can i change my nautilus to load movies automaticly with xine and not with totem?
[02:00] <mjr> slept, it should work out of the box
[02:00] <membreya> davix: right click on one of the files, go to properties..and then go to the option for open with :)
[02:00] <mjr> slept, see the log file if there are problems
[02:00] <davix> tnx
[02:00] <usual> davix: right click on the movie and choose the the option
[02:00] <Chipzz> chickenman: try not misspelling dumb for starters
[02:01] <chickenman> ooops
[02:01] <slept> mjr : xorg log?
[02:01] <mjr> yes
[02:01] <membreya> nice slap down Chipzz :D
[02:01] <Chipzz> membreya: :)
[02:01] <crush> i recieved 2  free disks in the mail.  thanks guys. i have to install the HD one, soon. any pre-advice?
[02:02] <EddieX> Why is there two flash player, that will use same stuff from macromedia, one in universe and one in multiverse.. Wich one do you prefer?
[02:02] <Chipzz> chickenman: and you're an asshole if you do that to users
[02:02] <motuline> argh.. totem wont play rm files
[02:02] <chickenman> any one know a good (free) program to play .mpg files ?
[02:03] <mirak> hi
[02:03] <optika> chickenman: mplayer
[02:03] <membreya> Chipzz: I think the worst thing anyone ever did to me ... I used to have a d.bat in windows to do dir %1 ...some bastard at a lan replaced it with format /q /u |y ....thank god for CTRL+C
[02:03] <davix> membreya, how can i tell my firefox to do the same thing, as it automaticly uses totem :/
[02:03] <mjr> chickenman, totem
[02:03] <chickenman> ok
[02:03] <xerox> Is there any documentation about USB modems on ubuntu? I need to explain to a friend how to connect with it, but I don't know how he can do it.
[02:03] <spiral> so, any new about ooo2 ?
[02:03] <mirak> I want to install a bootloader on my hard drive from a live cd, how can I do that ? I use lilo
[02:03] <slept> mjr: how is the kernelmodule called I need ?
[02:03] <membreya> not sure sorry davix .. i don't use firefox if possible :(
[02:04] <davix> tnx membreya
[02:04] <chickenman> xerox , USB modem do NOT work with linux
[02:04] <Chipzz> membreya: :)
[02:04] <membreya> wait no..d.bat did dir %1 /p /w :)
[02:04] <xerox> chickenman: no way? It's an US Robotics one :(
[02:05] <slept> chickenman : thats wrong, they do work
[02:05] <slept> some
[02:05] <xerox> slept: oh good!
[02:05] <Kate> ok im back
[02:05] <membreya> wb Kate :)
[02:05] <chickenman> xerox , unless you can run it on ethernet your going to have a hard job working it
[02:05] <Kate> thanks membreya
[02:05] <Kate> ok
[02:05] <xerox> slept: what can I do?
[02:05] <Kate> so which do i download?
[02:06] <chickenman> xerox , Write a driver file or somethink
[02:06] <xerox> chickenman: that's bad, I need to explain to one that have never see linux before how to connect.
[02:06] <chickenman> xerox , does it have an ethernet port ?
[02:06] <darksatanic> Anyone else having trouble logging in to the shipit page on the website?
[02:07] <darksatanic> I've not used it before,
[02:07] <xerox> chickenman: let me ask him
[02:07] <darksatanic> I put my email address and a password in,
[02:07] <darksatanic> and it tells me the combination is invalid...
[02:07] <ogra> xerox, there are lots of usb modem drivers in ubuntu, write a mail to ubuntu-users, i'm sure someone can help
[02:07] <chickenman> xerox , it's like a phone plug but bigger
[02:07] <xerox> chickenman: I know, but I'm not in his house at the moment :
[02:07] <xerox> :|
[02:08] <ogra> xerox, just provide all the technical details in the mail
[02:08] <Mpi> I tried to install Mandrake but something went wrong during the installation, and screwed up the bootloader. I need to fix this before I can install Ubuntu. Anyone who can help?? Please PM then...
[02:08] <chickenman> xerox , well if it is ethernet just get a plug and plug it into the nic card in the back or go buy one around 5
[02:08] <membreya> Kate: the agere systems pci soft modem should be detected automatically in ubuntu
[02:08] <membreya> in the network settings, did you check there for modem connection ?
[02:08] <Kate> it just wont connect
[02:08] <xerox> chickenman: no rj45 port.
[02:08] <chickenman> mmmm
[02:08] <Kate> all my settings are right
[02:09] <membreya> hmmmm
[02:09] <membreya> does it dial ?
[02:09] <chickenman> xerox , need a new ethernet modem
[02:09] <xerox> ogra: hm, let it be the last canche
[02:09] <xerox> chickenman: I can force him to buy another modem :)
[02:09] <Kate> but whenever i use pon it just comes up with another line
[02:09] <usual> what repos has libdvdcss2 again?
[02:09] <chickenman> xerox , good :)
[02:09] <az[a] zel> Kate, I've read that this driver can work with agere soft modems, but not sure... http://www.smlink.com/objects/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[02:09] <xerox> chickenman: CAN'T, err :)
[02:09] <membreya> what point DOES the connection get to Kate ?
[02:10] <chickenman> xerox , i tryed my USB modem but they diden't work but i had an ethernet plug as well :0
[02:11] <xerox> It seems there is linux support from US Robotics itself.. let me check deeply.
[02:11] <membreya> so how was the weather up in queensland today Kate ?:)
[02:11] <az[a] zel> Kate, this will require building a driver, which means gcc and kernel sources are required.. which aren't on the ubuntu CD's as far as I know.. so this is getting pretty tricky...
[02:11] <Kate> it doesnt do anything
[02:11] <xerox> http://www.usr.com/support/9000/9000-linux-ug/Installing%20the%20modem.html
[02:11] <chickenman> xerox , you mite be able to work it but i still think ethernet is better
[02:11] <Kate> how do u know im in Queensland?
[02:11] <xerox> chickenman: I think eth is better too.
[02:11] <membreya> :D
[02:12] <membreya> people on the internet get very bored, very quickly Kate :)
[02:12] <Kate> oh ubuntu forums?
[02:12] <spiral> hmmmm, at least, do you know who works on openoffice2 packaging ?
[02:12] <membreya> Kate: not at all, just by your IP :)
[02:13] <xerox> chickenman: it gives support, but it's a mess, hmpf :|
[02:13] <Kate> i dont want to know....
[02:13] <chickenman> membreya , how do you trace ip's ?
[02:13] <ogra> spiral, Chris Halls (haggai)
[02:13] <chickenman> xerox , yea best off with eth
[02:13] <membreya> chickenman: go to Applications > System Tools > Network Tools
[02:13] <daniels> mallum: hey dude
[02:13] <xerox> chickenman: it probably will stop him from taking linux in consideration :(
[02:13] <membreya> xerox: the modem she's talking about is PCI, not USB
[02:14] <xerox> membreya: who?
[02:14] <Kate> im not used to linux
[02:14] <chickenman> xerox , yea but it's not like it will cost to much
[02:14] <membreya> xerox: kate
[02:14] <Kate> yes?
[02:14] <Kate> lol
[02:14] <membreya> oh
[02:14] <az[a] zel> Kate, when your hardware is not supported (easily), it can be quite tricky to get going
[02:14] <membreya> nevermind xerox ....
[02:15] <membreya> you were talking to chickenman
[02:15] <Kate> oh no...
[02:15] <membreya> az[a] zel: ...the modem IS supported in ubuntu
[02:15] <az[a] zel> membreya, oh
[02:16] <Kate> none of my friends are exactly competent with os other than mac or windows either, so the ubuntu community is about all ive got
[02:16] <membreya> az[a] zel: ..actually..no it's not
[02:16] <membreya> but the drivers are here http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/
[02:17] <Kate> have we decided whether my modem is supported yet?
[02:17] <membreya> lol sorry Kate, it isn't but I've given you a link to the download
[02:17] <Kate> or is there going to be a pay-per-view worthy debate?
[02:17] <membreya> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg00584.html will give you instructions (it's off a forum, but it works you just need to read through some crap)
[02:17] <Kate> lol
[02:17] <membreya> shush Kate
[02:17] <Kate> ok
[02:17] <Kate> sorry
[02:17] <membreya> bugger off chickenman :P
[02:18] <chickenman> :D
[02:18] <Kate> im not used to talking to intelligent people
[02:18] <membreya> don't make me ping flood your arse :P
[02:18] <chickenman> hehe
[02:18] <membreya> damn, you're on cable too :|
[02:18] <az[a] zel> membreya, no I dont think those ones work for soft modem.. at least that's what I've read
[02:18] <membreya> hrm
[02:18] <az[a] zel> membreya, but I read that smart link drivers work
[02:19] <az[a] zel> membreya, http://www.smlink.com/objects/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[02:19] <membreya> why can't people just have hardware that works :|
[02:19] <Kate> lol
[02:19] <Kate> then you wouldnt need to upgrade as often :)
[02:19] <az[a] zel> membreya, but ubuntu doesnt come with gcc and kernel sources does it? so it's going to be bloody hard to get a compiled driver happening, unless somebody else compiles and builds a package for her
[02:20] <membreya> i would compile it for her, but I'm on an amd64 :)
[02:20] <Kate> again, i dont want to know...
[02:20] <membreya> god chickenman ..your routing takes you all over the world..
[02:21] <membreya> Kate: if you "don't want to know" then you're going into the wrong sort of OS sorry to say
[02:21] <Kate> i know
[02:21] <Kate> lol
[02:21] <robodex> wow, compositing works VERY well on xfce using xcompmgr... I'm running on a 667 with a 32mb GeForce2 with NO slowdown :D
[02:21] <Kate> im just out of coffee, so im drinking tea
[02:21] <Kate> so im a little slow right now
[02:22] <Kate> well, slower than usual
[02:22] <chickenman> :D
[02:22] <az[a] zel> membreya, same, and im running hoary.. the person that does it has to be running the exact same kernel revision as her
[02:22] <az[a] zel> Kate, go and purchase and external serial modem :)
[02:22] <gerardo> hey guys, how i can to change my locales?
[02:23] <az[a] zel> Kate, about $70AUD
[02:23] <Kate> ok, lets asume im a very broke highschool student
[02:23] <az[a] zel> Kate, steal one
[02:23] <membreya> gerardo: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:23] <membreya> ooo a teenager :P
[02:23] <slept> I want to burn mp3 - audio cd's with k3b, but I don't have kde install , how is the package called I need for mp3 encoding
[02:23] <Kate> its not my fault im the age i am!
[02:23] <az[a] zel> Kate, or buy second hand off somebody who just got ADSL or something
[02:23] <gerardo> membreya, oks.
[02:24] <az[a] zel> Kate, external serial modem will work straight away with any linux distribution
[02:24] <membreya> gerardo: obviously run that as a sudo :)
[02:24] <Kate> ok, lets assume that im not allowed to make any hardware changes :'(
[02:24] <membreya> Kate: you could always ask your folks for the money :P
[02:24] <membreya> Kate: then ask your parents for a modem router :P
[02:24] <Kate> because we only have one computer...
[02:24] <membreya> one ...computer..
[02:24] <Kate> and noone in my family trusts me
[02:24] <membreya> oh you're one of "them"
[02:24] <Kate> i know
[02:24] <az[a] zel> Kate, they wont notice if you plug a modem into it.. just hide it under the desk or something ;)
[02:25] <az[a] zel> winmodems should die a painful death
[02:25] <membreya> i think we should start the "let's buy Kate a modem" fund
[02:25] <zenwhen> agreed
[02:25] <Kate> my external modem never worked and never will
[02:25] <Kate> lol
[02:25] <gerardo> membreya, when i try to apt-get instal artwiz-fonts this automally install it?
[02:25] <az[a] zel> Kate, you have an external modem?
[02:25] <membreya> not sure on that one gerardo
[02:25] <gerardo> oks
[02:25] <Kate> yes, but its not worth mentioning as it doesnt work
[02:25] <zenwhen> Lets buy Kate a USR 5610B
[02:25] <zenwhen> lol
[02:26] <membreya> let's just sponsor her for cable :)
[02:26] <az[a] zel> Kate, if it's a serial modem.. you could always try.. no harm eh?
[02:26] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how to wipe a savd session?
[02:26] <oris_wolfbane> *saved
[02:26] <zenwhen> not everyone can get cable
[02:26] <az[a] zel> ADSL
[02:26] <Kate> i have exactly $32 AUD to my name
[02:26] <zenwhen> cable is far from 100% worldwide saturation
[02:26] <membreya> Kate: you're half way there then :)
[02:26] <az[a] zel> can get $30/month ADSL with Internode in QLD
[02:26] <az[a] zel> $125 for modem, $129 for installation
[02:26] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how to wipe a savd session?
[02:26] <membreya> internode..don't even mention their name..they've caused no end of headaches at work :'(
[02:27] <az[a] zel> I <3 internode
[02:27] <jedi> hey guys. my friend just someone uninstaled most of his packages during a botched hoary upgrade... is there any virtual package (or similar) i can apt-get install to get the default packages back?
[02:27] <robodex>  has anyone else noticed this error when running synaptic? It sitll works but it's kinda weird:
[02:27] <zenwhen> jedi, go back to warty sources and install ubuntu0desktop and ubuntu0base again
[02:27] <zenwhen> jedi, go back to warty sources and install ubuntu0desktop and ubuntu0base areplace those 0's with -'s
[02:27] <robodex> err nm
[02:27] <membreya> i do internet banking support, internode recently purchased a set of reserved IP's that the Bank had blocked...most of our internode customers couldn't get on >:(
[02:28] <Kate> ive tried asking nicely, begging, screaming, silence, missing user accounts and still i havent got my own computer
[02:28] <az[a] zel> membreya, not internodes fault
[02:28] <admin0> hi all ..  are there special nvidia drivers available in ubuntu for my nvidia fx 5200 card ?
[02:28] <Kate> or even a decent connection
[02:28] <topyli> hmm. i didn't know AUD is this weak, about 0.6 EUR
[02:28] <membreya> az[a] zel: i know, well ..it was..they purchased the IP's :P
[02:28] <topyli> Kate: you still are wealthier than me :)
[02:28] <Kate> lol
[02:28] <az[a] zel> membreya, yeah, but doesn't mean they aren't a quality ISP.. they have an ubuntu mirror on the non-metered list :)
[02:29] <zenwhen> admin0, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings" edit the word "nvidia" into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:29] <Kate> im considering arson
[02:29] <Kate> lol
[02:29] <membreya> az[a] zel: didn't say they weren't good..just said they caused headaches :P
[02:29] <slept> jedi: dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall will tell you what you are missing
[02:29] <admin0> thanks zenwhen :)
[02:29] <membreya> especially since our e-commerce department didn't tell us because they thought they could fix it in time :|
[02:29] <jedi> zenwhen: slept: thanks guys
[02:30] <az[a] zel> Kate, find the modem chipset, and short a few pins so it no longer works.. then they will ahve to buy a new modem.. make sure they buy an external serial modem
[02:30] <monteiro> anyone knows how to save the settings that i've change in hdparm ?
[02:30] <Kate> lol
[02:30] <membreya> monteiro: edit your /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:30] <Kate> she wont because shes kinda broke right now
[02:30] <Kate> im trying to find a part time job though
[02:30] <admin0> hdparm -s ?
[02:30] <chickenman> Kate , or set fire to your pc then you will get a new one ;)
[02:30] <Kate> even another $60 a week would make a difference
[02:30] <Kate> lol
[02:30] <az[a] zel> Kate, what about computer flea markets near you? you might be able to pick up an old 56k serial modem for like $5 - $10
[02:31] <az[a] zel> Kate, I gave mine away to my g/f's parents for nothing
[02:31] <topyli> Kate: someone must sell you a used serial modem for USD 10
[02:31] <Kate> ok
[02:31] <topyli> i would, i even have one :)
[02:31] <Kate> hang on, let me check the 'drawer of curiosity'
[02:31] <admin0> wouldn't ubuntu support an internal modem ?
[02:31] <admin0> in an easy way
[02:31] <Jalal> hi all
[02:31] <az[a] zel> admin0, not that one..
[02:32] <_mepis_lover> moin
[02:32] <membreya> admin0: hdparm -s is not a valid option
[02:32] <admin0> oops
[02:32] <admin0> hold
[02:32] <topyli> admin0: a hardware modem yes, but internal ones almost never are real modems
[02:32] <siretart> hi
[02:32] <Kate> ive got a spare internal modem
[02:32] <Kate> lol
[02:32] <monteiro> membreya : tks :)
[02:32] <Kate> u never know what you'll find in my room
[02:32] <Zotnix> admin0, seems companies wanted to save pennies and modems require software to run -- software only made for Windows. (It's awful)
[02:32] <siretart> I'm searching for an installation image with current hoary
[02:33] <chickenman> my old 56K modem is on a shelf getting dusty would you like it Kate :)
[02:33] <siretart> can somebody provide me with a working jigdo file?
[02:33] <Kate> that along with a couple of tapes of Star Trek Voyager and my copy of Dreamcatcher...
[02:33] <Kate> its a 56k modem
[02:33] <zenwhen> the best real internal modem that IS a hardware modem is the USR 5610B
[02:33] <Kate> lol
[02:33] <az[a] zel> eww Voyager
[02:33] <siretart> or (second choice) a working torrent?
[02:33] <membreya> chickenman: different phone line standards..yours won't work in aus :)
[02:33] <chickenman> :O eh right
[02:33] <zenwhen> :O
[02:33] <Kate> .....
[02:34] <admin0> hdparm -k 1 will set the keep_setting over reset flag :)
[02:34] <admin0> hdparm -k 1
[02:34] <admin0> is what i think
[02:34] <az[a] zel> Kate, try installing the other internal and see if ubuntu picks it up.. if not, it's probably yet another software modem, doh
[02:34] <az[a] zel> 99.9% of internal modems are pieces of crapola
[02:34] <Kate> i dont know if i can do that...
[02:34] <chickenman> LOL
[02:35] <Kate> i suppose my mum'll be out all day tomorrow though
[02:35] <chickenman> hehe i take my computer to bit all the time :P
[02:35] <az[a] zel> Kate, easy, turn off  the machine, undo screws, take off case, find white slot, unscrew end thingy, plonk card in, screw it in, boot up... if you here nothing but beeps, then panic, heh
[02:35] <Kate> ive never pulled it apart before though
[02:36] <Kate> by chance, however
[02:36] <chickenman> all my power supply wires are taped togeather
[02:36] <chickenman> :P
[02:36] <Kate> i have borrowed a copy of 'repairing and upgrading pcs'
[02:36] <Kate> for dummies or something
[02:36] <az[a] zel> that should help
[02:36] <Kate> a bit of light reading
[02:36] <Kate> lol
[02:36] <will> Kate: ask a 'teckie' friend to do it 4 ya
[02:37] <PlasmaPain> dont you just love irc ?
[02:37] <chickenman> ill do it for you ;)
[02:37] <Kate> i dont really have any teckie friends
[02:37] <topyli> just lucky
[02:37] <will> how do you spekk teckie?
[02:37] <chickenman> how old are you Kate ?
[02:37] <will> spell even
[02:37] <Kate> early teens....
[02:37] <az[a] zel> Kate, what made you want to try Linux? you don't sound like a computer nerd, heh
[02:37] <Kate> very early teens....
[02:37] <chickenman> oooo im 14 :P
[02:38] <Kate> im 14-ish
[02:38] <will> its good to see australian girls playing with linux!
[02:38] <chickenman> ill be right round to help
[02:38] <Kate> windows is boring, and macs i have fights with
[02:38] <daniels> guys, let's try to keep it clean and just focus on the actual helping people, yeah? :)
[02:38] <motuline> I Think that i screwd up
[02:38] <motuline> :DD
[02:39] <PlasmaPain> im 3and a half and i can already sell !
[02:39] <az[a] zel> although since 10.3.8 it's been a bit buggy
[02:39] <motuline> fuck
[02:39] <PlasmaPain> o mean spell
[02:39] <chickenman> :D
[02:39] <motuline> I removed xine and synaptic removed almost everything installed
[02:39] <Tomcat_> az[a] zel: You can install Ubuntu on an iBook *hint* *hint* :D
[02:39] <motuline> noni
[02:39] <zenwhen> You lovebirds can love in #ubuntuforums if you wish ;)
[02:39] <topyli> microsoft spel cheker vor sale. vorks grate!
[02:39] <az[a] zel> Tomcat_, yeah but wireless doesn't work, and sleep/resume doesn't work.. so what's the point? :)
[02:39] <motuline> fuckin shit
[02:39] <motuline> :DD
[02:39] <cocol> what are the expiriences with kde3.4 as default?
[02:40] <kev0r> hi there, i've ordered some CD's 2 weeks ago or something
[02:40] <kev0r> still no packet arrived
[02:40] <motuline> oh my fuckin god
[02:40] <will> does anyoine have issues with ac97audio?
[02:40] <daniels> er, guys, language?
[02:40] <will> motuline:watch the language :)
[02:40] <optika> kev0r: as I understand it, they're only going to be shipping CDs when they've finished Hoary, best estimate seems to be mid-April. ICBW.
[02:40] <chickenman> what did you fucking say i can't hear ?
[02:40] <kev0r> will: buy another card
[02:41] <daniels> chickenman: dude, language, please.
[02:41] <chickenman> :D
[02:41] <kev0r> so i'm getting Hoary cd's in stead of Warty
[02:41] <kev0r> nice :)
[02:41] <will> kev0r:its built in and i earn 1 swedish crown a month
[02:41] <motuline> will: I removed most of the packages from my system with synaptic.. accidentataly
[02:41] <gerardo> hey guys, anyone have driver 6111 for kernel 2.6.10 ?
[02:41] <chickenman> warty is much better me thinks
[02:41] <motuline> including gnome
[02:41] <Tomcat_> az[a] zel: I wouldn't install anything other than OSX on a Mac anyway *runs*
[02:41] <kev0r> oh will that's 2 bad, you should get some emu10k1 chipset card, they are the best imo
[02:42] <topyli> motuline: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and you're back where you started
[02:42] <kev0r> for linux that is, alsa seems to really like that card :)
[02:42] <will> motuline: just use apt-get (to get em back!
[02:42] <kev0r> will; Soundblaster Live! 5.1 or a 1024
[02:42] <az[a] zel> Tomcat_, OS X is great :)
[02:42] <chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org
[02:42] <kev0r> should not cost that much
[02:42] <motuline> synaptic package manager removed all
[02:42] <motuline> argh
[02:42] <will> is anyone else aware of the issues with the ac97 and linux/unix in general?
[02:42] <motuline> Is more easily to format
[02:42] <motuline> ->
[02:42] <PlasmaPain> any one has an ssh server so i cant try ssh out ?
[02:43] <topyli> motuline: no it didn't. you did :)
[02:43] <will> they are HUGE and no one has done a damn thing about it
[02:43] <motuline> see you in next life :D
[02:43] <motuline> ->
[02:43] <slept> PlasmaPain: you can ssh your own ip
[02:43] <chickenman> brb food :P
[02:43] <PlasmaPain> thats like ... cheating
[02:43] <speel> lol
[02:44] <topyli> PlasmaPain: try something like kruuna.helsinki.fi. you can't log in but will see if it works
[02:44] <nicc> hi
[02:44] <speel> hi
[02:44] <PlasmaPain> hi
[02:44] <topyli> lo
[02:45] <setite> haha to you
[02:46] <setite> i knew 5.1 preview would be released by march
[02:46] <chickenman> :P
[02:46] <setite> but why is the 64 torrent dead
[02:48] <setite> KUBUNTU!!!
[02:48] <setite> NO!!!!!
[02:48] <chickenman> !!ewwwwwwwwwww!
[02:48] <setite> THE UBUNTU NAME HAS BEEN DESTROYED
[02:48] <setite> kde coodies
[02:48] <jason> eewwww
[02:49] <setite> on the other hand
[02:49] <cocol> setite , ubuntu=human
[02:49] <da_root> how can i connect to a network printer?
[02:49] <Kate> bye
[02:49] <setite> would kubuntu not suffer the horrible XICE.Authority problem
[02:49] <Kate> thanks for your help
[02:49] <cocol> kubuntu=to humanity
[02:49] <deFrysk> setite, nope
[02:49] <chickenman> the what problem ?
[02:49] <will> does anyone here run kubuntu?
[02:49] <cocol> me
[02:49] <setite> kubuntu.. last a heard was the kde ubuntu
[02:49] <chickenman> not me yuk
[02:50] <setite> ynot an actuall word
[02:50] <deFrysk> will, check #kubuntu
[02:50] <setite> yhow can i download ubuntu on a torrent
[02:50] <setite> the 64bit torrent is having errors
[02:50] <cocol> will, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:50] <chickenman> don't use torrent ;)
[02:51] <LinuxJones> setite, it shouldn't
[02:51] <chickenman> i done warty (512mb) in 5 hours on 300k
[02:51] <setite> 5 hours!!!!
[02:51] <setite> with a decent torrent it should be like 40 mins
[02:51] <chickenman> yea that not bad at 36kb\s
[02:52] <deFrysk> I do it in 15-20 min ;p
[02:52] <da_root> can someone give me a tipp how i can connect to a network printer?
[02:52] <topyli> setite: i've done a debian net install on a 56k modem :)
[02:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I have 512kbps ADSL, so it takes a few hours for me
[02:52] <setite> i could do it in 20 with a damn good torrent
[02:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hopefully getting 8Mbps ADSL soon
[02:52] <setite> but i dont like this 80k bullshit
[02:52] <deFrysk> I get it from ftp address
[02:52] <setite> really
[02:52] <chickenman> yea well i have lots of free time :D
[02:52] <setite> ok lemme try that
[02:52] <deFrysk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/
[02:53] <setite> where is ftp
[02:53] <Pyre> I don't know setite. They're not connected to IRC.
[02:53] <setite> yoh haha
[02:53] <setite> all look like https to me
[02:54] <setite> and theres a dvd now?
[02:54] <topyli> shouldn't have showered. i think i smell less human now :)
[02:54] <chickenman> is there any other way to run windows programs without wine or installing windows ?
[02:54] <setite> crossXover office
[02:54] <deFrysk> chickenman, install windows
[02:54] <chickenman> i only got a 10.2gb hd :O
[02:54] <deFrysk> oh without
[02:55] <setite> ::cough::warez::cough::
[02:55] <deFrysk> chickenman, use alternatives
[02:55] <topyli> chickenman: there's no way
[02:55] <setite> crossover office is nice
[02:55] <setite> integrates nicely
[02:55] <chickenman> what alternatives ?
[02:55] <setite> defrysk
[02:55] <deFrysk> open office
[02:55] <topyli> chickenman: native apps?
[02:55] <deFrysk> for example
[02:55] <setite> can you link me
[02:55] <setite> to the ftp for 64bit 5.10 preview
[02:55] <setite> i dont see any ftp links
[02:56] <deFrysk> setite, they are http links yes
[02:56] <topyli> chickenman: dosbox
[02:56] <setite> you said ftp
[02:56] <deFrysk> ftp://ftp.archive.ubuntu.com/
[02:56] <deFrysk> ;p
[02:56] <setite> danke
[02:56] <chickenman> how do install windows when there both ment to mbe mounted at /  ??
[02:57] <deFrysk> you could have done that yourself setite
[02:57] <zenwhen> I wonder if Composite will ever actually work with glx and not just pretend to.
[02:57] <siretart> are there cdimages with 2.6.10-5 kernels yet?
[02:58] <setite> i didnt know where it was
[02:58] <chickenman> how do i install windows when ubuntu and it wants to be mounted at /
[02:58] <topyli> chickenman: / can be anywhere, it doesn't have to be the primary master
[02:58] <amiroff> do you guys know how to get latest snapshots of Inkscape for ubuntu?
[02:58] <nicc> whats the difference between preview and array ? besides the fact that the last array is more recent
[02:59] <chickenman> topyli , i don't understand :|
[02:59] <visor> amiroff: i think theres a deb in inskape site that works just right out the box in debian and ubuntu
[02:59] <Zotnix> chickenman, say you have your hard drive split in two. / can be on the second half.
[02:59] <Mitario> damn, why does the live cd regenerate all those locales
[02:59] <Zotnix> You can still install windows on the first half of the drive though
[02:59] <Rattboi> Zotnix, that's how mine is set up
[02:59] <topyli> chickenman: you can install windows on hda1 and linux on an extended partition like hda5
[03:00] <chickenman> can you tell me how to do this with the partion tool
[03:00] <Rattboi> my first partition is XP, second is /home, third is swap, fourth is /
[03:00] <topyli> chickenman: easiest is to install windows first, and just leave some unpartitioned space to the end of the disk. then install linux
[03:00] <nicc> no difference,
[03:00] <nicc> ?
[03:00] <chickenman> so how much does a full linux take up ?
[03:01] <zenwhen> < 2GB
[03:01] <JDigital> couple gigs
[03:01] <nicc> yep
[03:01] <chickenman> windows 98 only need 1gb max
[03:01] <zenwhen> and includes nothing
[03:01] <topyli> linux? about 1,5 megs. the full distro is a bit more :)
[03:01] <JDigital> windows < linux :D
[03:02] <chickenman> so i will make windows 2gb and the rest linux ok
[03:02] <topyli> chickenman: define "the rest"
[03:02] <zenwhen> chickenman, sounds good
[03:02] <zenwhen> give windows as little space as possible to cramp you into your Linux install
[03:02] <visor> can anyone tell me if there is a special issue with framebuffer or something as i cant acces any virtual console when using X and think i didnt had this before with warty
[03:02] <topyli> chickenman: ah, you have a 10G drive. that's ok
[03:03] <chickenman> so 2 gb windows mounted at / and the rest ubuntu mounted at / as well ?
[03:03] <speel> is there any way to burn mp3s to a cd so i can listen to em in my cd player?
[03:03] <st3v3n> yep
[03:03] <will> i run windows xp and hoary off a 15gb drive - easy
[03:04] <chickenman> ok well i better make some backups :D
[03:04] <will> but then i have /home on a 30gb drive!
[03:04] <topyli> chickenman: you're confused. :) windows wants to be on C: (first partition of first disk) but linux / can be on any partition
[03:04] <zenwhen> speel- "sudo apt-get install k3b" will get you a nero clone that you should run with gksudo k3b
[03:04] <chickenman> still don't get it
[03:05] <JDigital> ubuntu is mounted at / but in my case Windows is mounted at /windows
[03:05] <amiroff> visor: well, I just cannot find it
[03:05] <Zotnix> will, wow. I only run Linux and I'm using a total of 47 GB (including /home... which is 38 GB of that.)
[03:05] <speel> yea i knew that way lol but i thaught maybe through nautilus
[03:05] <JDigital> or /mnt/windows
[03:05] <topyli> chickenman: windows would call your linux root partition D: or something if it saw it (which it doesn't)
[03:05] <chickenman> ok
[03:05] <will> chickenman: [C (windows2GB)] [LINUX EXT3....................7.5GB] [SWAP 500MB] 
[03:05] <chickenman> so i have windows at / and at the start ?
[03:05] <speel> chickenman, do you really NEED windows?
[03:06] <visor> amiroff: no deb?
[03:06] <PacoBCN> speel, remember, windows is an excellent... gaming console :)
[03:06] <chickenman> i love dos games and i can't play them linux to slow on y system for games
[03:06] <Zotnix> chickenman, nope. Linux will ignore your windows partition until you tell it where to put it.
[03:06] <speel> yea lol but spending 500+ for a computer just to play games is worthless lol
[03:06] <topyli> chickenman: "/" is not a drive partitioning concept at all. it's just wherever your linux filesystem root is
[03:06] <amiroff> visor: nope :( look what site says: Debian Dependencies - everything is available in the unstable apt repositories
[03:07] <amiroff> visor: which unstable repositories ?
[03:07] <chickenman> sorry im not geting this at all some one write me clear instructions please and send them to me
[03:07] <Zotnix> chickenman, you are thinking that / is the same as "the first part of the disk" It isn't :)
[03:07] <will> mmm i love 8Mbps connections
[03:07] <visor> amiroff: when they mean unstable i guess the mean the release before sarge, indeed theres an inkscape in synaptic but its version 0,40 not 0.41
[03:08] <PacoBCN> will, I would love Spain even knows what 8Mbps are...
[03:08] <topyli> chickenman: google for something like "dual boot howto". there's a very good explanation available at tldp.org
[03:08] <Mitario> bugger, the live cd doesn't recognize my wireless card
[03:08] <chickenman> what should the partiion manager look like ?
[03:08] <amiroff> visor: yeah, and they are preparing 0.42, guess our repos are much behind
[03:08] <PacoBCN> there are HOWTOs in the Ubuntu forum about double OS partitions
[03:09] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> any CPU temp monitoring applets for ubuntu ? gkrellm doesn't appear to be in the repositiroes
[03:09] <will> whats a good graphical FTP program?
[03:09] <visor> amiroff: uhmm i cant tell, you know, i mainly use ubuntu to see whats new but i have a _stable_ install of mdk with gnome 2.6 and the likes where i usually have everything
[03:09] <will> and website design
[03:09] <kosmos> gFTP
[03:09] <topyli> chickenman: "linux+windows-HOWTO"
[03:10] <topyli> is the name of the document
[03:10] <chickenman> give me a link
[03:10] <topyli> search google, should be first hit
[03:10] <amiroff> visor: gnome 2.6?
[03:10] <visor> but this virtual console issue it never happened to me hehe
[03:10] <kosmos> gFTP for gnome, and kbear for KDE
[03:10] <will> thanks
[03:10] <visor> amiroff: yeah, sounds odd doesnt it
[03:10] <will> what about web design
[03:10] <topyli> chickenman: ok, here it is: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO/
[03:10] <will> code editor?
[03:10] <will> easy
[03:10] <Zotnix> I love the Places -> Connect to server... feature.
[03:11] <kosmos> bluefish
[03:11] <PacoBCN> will, you can also use Screem, which has features unfortunatelly bluefish doesn't have
[03:11] <PacoBCN> and viceversa
[03:12] <amiroff> amiroff: it does, I still use xfce :)
[03:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> bah there are NO lmsensors front ends in ubuntu !! :(
[03:12] <kosmos> az[a] zel_ubuntu, gkrellm is in the reps
[03:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> kosmos, hmm maybe mine is brokien
[03:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> kosmos, universe hasn't been working on my local mirror all day
[03:13] <kosmos> hm
[03:13] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> or it could just be gkrellm hasn't been built for AMD64 yet
[03:13] <visor> amiroff: i do like xfce, its the file manager i cant stand, i dont like the so-many-buttons design of the whole, but it seems they made a prototype of a new file manager in python but i just cant remember the name of it
[03:14] <Bauhn> Can anyone here help me with configuring wireless internet?
[03:14] <kosmos> possible, i'm 32 bit oldschooler ;)
[03:15] <mirak> hello
[03:15] <Nonphasis> anyone able to use dcgui-qt on Hoary? It used to work on Warty...
[03:15] <mirak> I tried to create a grub boot floppy from grub-disk
[03:15] <mirak> but the floppies are not bootable
[03:15] <Bauhn> Is it anyone here that is able to help me with configuring W-LAN on ubuntu?
[03:16] <amiroff> visor: yeah, I use nautilus with xfce :) I've hear about the new file manager though
[03:16] <topyli> Bauhn: someone probably can, but you need to say what your problem is. what did you do, what went wrong, and so on
[03:16] <visor> amiroff: that would just rocks, but it would feel nicer if xfce integrates a good one itself
[03:17] <AMIGrAve> I can't set my dvdwriter on udma mode, when I try sudo hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/dvd  i get this error when hdparm tries to set dma : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted  someone can help me about that ?
[03:17] <Nonphasis> isn't part of the point of xfce that it doesn't integrate too much? i.e. the light weight...
[03:17] <Bauhn> topyli i installed ubuntu for.. an hour ago, and now i'm trying to get internet going.. and becuase i have wireless internet, i need to enter an encryption key.. so i need help with getting the encryption key into linux ;P
[03:18] <visor> btw, i dont mean to be rude but why there is not more channels just focused on plain help or special topics? this is insane dont you think? i mean the channel has just grown too much and many people ask questions (yeah i know theres the wikis and so but they wont stop coming)
[03:18] <topyli> Bauhn: i know next to nothing about wireless. just urging you to state the problem :)
[03:18] <topyli> so someone can help
[03:18] <SeeleyUSMC> Ubuntu says that my Atheros a/b/g card should work right out of the box.  I tried the live cd and it didn't seem to show up.  does the live cd not have everything that the install cd has as far as modules and shuch for wireless cards?
[03:18] <Bauhn> topyli ok ;P
[03:20] <zenwhen> Everyone who ses linux should track down an orinoco gold classic and never have to worry about crappy wireless cards or driver support again
[03:20] <zenwhen> uses*
[03:21] <Bauhn> i installed ubuntu for.. an hour ago, and now i'm trying to get internet going.. and becuase i have wireless internet, i need to enter an encryption key.. so i need help with getting the encryption key into linux ;P
[03:21] <Bauhn> help? ;P
[03:21] <zenwhen> Heres how you set up an orninoco gold classic as eth* in ubuntu: Step one: Plug it in. Step two: There isn't one.
[03:22] <topyli> visor: this is the help channel. there's noise yes, but i think it's working
[03:22] <zenwhen> Bauhn, open network admin. Choose the wireless connection. Hit properties. Type in the key.
[03:22] <zenwhen> network-admin that is
[03:22] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, this might help >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315
[03:23] <zenwhen> I always try to get chtterers to come to #ubuntuforums, which has no real ruleset so they dont mess with this channel.
[03:23] <zenwhen> but this channel works well for support
[03:23] <Bauhn> zenwhen ok, so it's network-admin > wireless connections > there it is?
[03:23] <zenwhen> really well
[03:23] <zenwhen> yes
[03:24] <membreya> AMIGrAve: pretty easy to fix :)
[03:24] <zenwhen> under properties you will be offered a place to type your WEP key
[03:24] <visor> topyli: oh i didnt know that... i actually tought that because i was concerned about this things that when a channel fulls up just like this, the devs start to chill out and to split the channels and so (you know, a -dev chanel, a -help chanel etc.)
[03:24] <AMIGrAve> membreya: I had the same thing on debian
[03:24] <Mitario> is anyone seeing tomboy breakage in the latest package updates?
[03:24] <zenwhen> It works pretty well
[03:24] <AMIGrAve> membreya: do I miss a module ?
[03:24] <membreya> AMIGrAve: what type of motherboard / chipset is it using ?
[03:24] <membreya> is it on an nforce?
[03:24] <tsume> ubuntu loves my laptop :)
[03:24] <zenwhen> visor, there is a dev channel.
[03:24] <AMIGrAve> membreya: Asus K8nE-deluxe  nforce 3
[03:25] <zenwhen> tsume, same here.
[03:25] <tsume> 1.7GHz P-M is faster than a 3.0GHz P4
[03:25] <LinuxJones> I want to buy a new lcd monitor today but can't really afford it :(
[03:25] <membreya> AMIGrAve: edit your /etc/modules file and put these two modules at the top amd74xx
[03:25] <membreya> ide-core
[03:25] <tsume> M35-S456 :)
[03:25] <visor> and if this is the support can someone actually tell me how to switch between virtual console's? :P
[03:25] <visor> im almost sure is something about fb
[03:25] <tsume> real hardware, real power. Use Toshiba
[03:25] <membreya> visor: alt+F(number)
[03:26] <mirak> hi
[03:26] <tsume> Toshiba makes very good laptops. They aren't footballs. Don't drop a lamp on the keyboard
[03:26] <AMIGrAve> membreya: thanks can I modrpobe them and try or should I reboot ?
[03:26] <membreya> AMIGrAve: just reboot
[03:26] <mirak> the grub-disk floppy image doesn't boot
[03:26] <membreya> then do a hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[03:26] <mirak> where can I find a bootable grub floppy ?
[03:26] <visor> membreya: isnt Alt + Ctrl + F[number] ?
[03:27] <membreya> visor: if you're in gnome yes, otherwise it's just ctrl
[03:27] <membreya> or is it alt
[03:27] <membreya> damnit, it's 1.30 am
[03:27] <tsume> visor: thats to escape X server
[03:27] <AMIGrAve> membreya: ok thanks a lot i'm trying right now ; BTW i also got ide-cd, ide-disk and ide-generic in /etc/modules is ok ?
[03:27] <Codyman> hello
[03:27] <tsume> membreya: gnome or even the X server initialised
[03:27] <zenwhen> visor, as I am not currently experiencing your issue, not have I seen anyone complain about it... I cannot currently solve your issue. Mind you it is early in the morning in the US and a Sunday so the channel traffic is probably slower than normal. This time isn't really indicative of how the channel normally is.
[03:27] <tsume> you need to escape the X server before you can freely browse the terminals
[03:27] <membreya> AMIGrAve: yup they're fine..just make sure the modules I gave you are at the TOP of your modules file
[03:28] <visor> yeah i did know that i have like 8 years using linux :P it never happened to me
[03:28] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone think they can help me get my Atheros a/b/g to work in Ubuntu live CD?  I want to see if it will work or hear from someone else that they have it working on the install version at least.  I'm brand new to linux and need all the help I can get to get on my feet with linux.  I want t learn a lot, but it would be easier if I could get an internet connection while I'm using linux instead...
[03:28] <Codyman> when i was installing on my am64 laptop, I bypassed the network config because i have a broadcom wifi card that i need to install drivers for... however now when i go to plug in ethernet it doesn't work on the internet either... what command setups the network.. dpkg-reconfigure something?
[03:28] <SeeleyUSMC> ...of having to boot back and forth each time to try something.
[03:28] <zenwhen> Ctrl + Alt + an F key should switch virtual consoles.
[03:28] <visor> its just it doesnt change to VC in gnome or out
[03:28] <Codyman> seeleyUSMC: i have a similar problem.. except with a broadcom
[03:28] <zenwhen> If not, theres something really wrong.
[03:28] <AMIGrAve> membreya: ok a last quesion : at your knowledge, is there a website or something that list hardware and tell what modules should be used for this hardware (in case hotplug miss them or something) ?
[03:28] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, I've had atheros working on my warty  laptop fine
[03:29] <chickenman> i aam going to get limewire :P
[03:29] <tsume> ALT+CTRL+F<num> to escape the X server and go to selected terminal, then ALT+F<num> to browse the virtual terminals after you have escaped
[03:29] <membreya> not AFAIK AMIGrAve
[03:29] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, but I don't know how to set the encryption key
[03:29] <visor> maybe its because its the preview release
[03:29] <Codyman> anyone here using wifi broadcom?
[03:29] <visor> some issue
[03:29] <AMIGrAve> membreya: ok i'm rebooting, thanks again
[03:29] <tsume> visor: it could be broken. The way specificed is the official way
[03:29] <SeeleyUSMC> BTW, I'm using the Hoary preview live CD
[03:29] <tsume> visor: I'm using the preview as well. It works here
[03:30] <tsume> visor: did you specify any option in config for X which locks you in X?
[03:30] <daniels> SeeleyUSMC: i haven't tried the live cd, but atheros wireless works fine for me with the installed system
[03:30] <visor> yeah this is something really really strange
[03:30] <SeeleyUSMC> daniels: which version>
[03:30] <visor> no i didnt
[03:30] <visor> i used the standard install
[03:30] <visor> no composite cream or stuff like that
[03:30] <visor> just plain install
[03:31] <visor> anyway i will try to disable vga option in lilo
[03:31] <SeeleyUSMC> Wartyhog or Hoary?
[03:31] <visor> hoary
[03:31] <visor> preview
[03:31] <visor> warty worked flawlessly here
[03:31] <tsume> I'm running hoary
[03:31] <tsume> it works great afaik
[03:32] <tsume> nothing has gone wrong
[03:32] <SeeleyUSMC> hrm. I guess I'll go get the install version and try that out
[03:32] <visor> ok i will disable this and see if it was that the problem
[03:32] <visor> brb
[03:32] <visor> thanks for the help anyway
[03:33] <SeeleyUSMC> How long has Ubuntu been around?  I've heard of the other distros but just last week hear of this one
[03:33] <speel> since sept i think
[03:33] <darksatanic> SeeleyUSMC: The first release was in October.
[03:33] <zenwhen> About a year?
[03:33] <SeeleyUSMC> wow.  no wonder
[03:33] <zenwhen> Oh
[03:33] <membreya> it's done damn well for such a young distro
[03:33] <zenwhen> Only that long?
[03:33] <speel> yep
[03:33] <speel> cause it works ;P
[03:33] <membreya> :p
[03:34] <zenwhen> But Ubuntu's devs are ravenous
[03:34] <membreya> unless you're using an amd64..then it's just a bit more "challenging" :\
[03:34] <zenwhen> So much has happened since the first release
[03:34] <darksatanic> membreya: That Works For Me(tm)
[03:34] <drspin> is it possible to reinstall Grub to my HD from the Live CD ?
[03:34] <membreya> darksatanic: works for me too :) just a few problems when compiling a few modules...especially for cpan :|
[03:35] <zenwhen> drspin, yes
[03:35] <EkSoN> drspin, yes
[03:35] <EkSoN> chroot /dev/hdX
[03:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Should I try out Hoary or Warty?  I don't know if there are problems with Hoary.  Are there?
[03:35] <EkSoN> grub-install /dev/hdX
[03:35] <darksatanic> membreya: That's a general AMD64 problem, not an Ubuntu one, I suspect. :)
[03:35] <speel> warty
[03:35] <zenwhen> drop to a virtual console after choosing your language options and do it form there
[03:35] <membreya> darksatanic: that's what I meant :)
[03:35] <membreya> i wasn't bagging ubuntu :) just support for amd64 in general
[03:35] <pastyhermit> Anyone know when xfce 4.2.1 will be available on hoary
[03:35] <pastyhermit> 4.0 seems to be the latest
[03:36] <speel> ubuntu and there out of date packages pisses me off
[03:36] <EkSoN> who know boot fast hoary live?
[03:36] <pastyhermit> EkSoN, what?
[03:36] <membreya> out of date speel ?
[03:36] <pastyhermit> english learn you
[03:36] <drspin> zenwhen, ??
[03:36] <siretart> SeeleyUSMC: try hoary
[03:37] <zenwhen> Yeah I am just going to beat my fists on the ground if my software is .1 out of date. @_@
[03:37] <speel> well like the universe packages
[03:37] <membreya> lol zenwhen :P
[03:37] <zenwhen> Id rather have it stable.
[03:37] <pastyhermit> 'stable' lol
[03:37] <membreya> worst case, make your own .deb
[03:37] <speel> well i need this one game and it needs the newst version to play on public server
[03:37] <leonel> pastyhermit, http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/    maybe can work
[03:37] <pastyhermit> bawhwhaha
[03:37] <speel> membreya, way to much work just to install somthing lol
[03:37] <pastyhermit> whats funny is that our version of stable is rock-solid compared to other operating systems :D
[03:38] <pastyhermit> rock solid and old sometimes
[03:38] <membreya> i think you're forgetting that ubuntu was running gnome 2.10 before it was released :)
[03:38] <mirak> help me to install a bootblock please
[03:39] <zenwhen> membreya, correct.
[03:39] <pastyhermit> leonel, thanx, hey tell me I just installed the older one
[03:39] <speel> membreya, well thats beacause they have gnome guys on the team
[03:39] <pastyhermit> will these instructions install the newer one?
[03:39] <mirak> how can I install a boot block on a system on an other hard drive that don't have a bootblock ?
[03:39] <zenwhen> And 2.10 is amazingly fast
[03:39] <membreya> speel: if you have a problem with a package, speak to the MOTU's
[03:39] <chickenman> how come ubuntu is slower than windows ??
[03:39] <speel> motu's?
[03:40] <membreya> Masters Of The Universe
[03:40] <speel> oo ok mayb
[03:40] <SeeleyUSMC> This free wireless connection I have in my barracks is INSANE
[03:40] <pastyhermit> chickenman, lol
[03:40] <speel> e
[03:40] <pastyhermit> chickenman, in what respect?
[03:40] <leonel> pastyhermit, don't know
[03:40] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm getting 400kb/s downloads and 300kb/s upload speeds
[03:40] <chickenman> take longer to open windows and run things and start up!
[03:41] <njs12345> chickenman: because microsoft cheat?
[03:41] <zenwhen> chickenman, define "slower than windows"
[03:41] <membreya> oh...so that's what USMC is Seeley :P
[03:41] <membreya> lol
[03:41] <chickenman> errrrm
[03:41] <zenwhen> lol thats not an answer
[03:41] <chickenman> well it is slower
[03:42] <membreya> chickenman: my ubuntu loads faster than my windows..ubuntu is up, running and fully loaded in 50 seconds for me
[03:42] <njs12345> I find it just as fast, if not faster
[03:42] <zenwhen> chickenman, run sudo hdparm /dev/hd* where * = the drive you are running Ubuntu on.
[03:42] <membreya> that includes opening thunderbird, x-chat and gaim
[03:42] <chickenman> windows 98 = <25 sec with me
[03:42] <zenwhen> see if dma is on
[03:42] <membreya> chickenman: windows 98 is obselete
[03:42] <chickenman> ubuntu = 1:30 min
[03:42] <LinuxJones> chickenman, You can speed things up a bit by stopping any unnecessary services that you are running.
[03:42] <njs12345> yup
[03:42] <membreya> chickenman: ..if you really want to test it ..run windows 1
[03:42] <chickenman> i use most of them
[03:42] <membreya> that should load in about 2 seconds
[03:42] <pastyhermit> chickenman, its slower on ubuntu because ubuntu doesnt pre-link their libraries or pre-load everything
[03:43] <pastyhermit> chickenman, try KDE 3.4
[03:43] <chickenman> :\
[03:43] <zenwhen> rcconf is god for disabling services
[03:43] <zenwhen> good*
[03:43] <membreya> my windows takes about 1 - 2 minutes to even load the basics
[03:43] <membreya> damn no support for amd64 in winxp stock
[03:43] <pastyhermit> leonel, apt-get dist-upgrade did the trick
[03:43] <ricardo_> Hi folks.
[03:43] <pastyhermit> membreya, nope, you gotta download the XP beta
[03:43] <membreya> zenwhen: rcconf?
[03:43] <ricardo_> Sorry to be such a newbie but.. how can I restart cups???
[03:43] <zenwhen> KDE isnt faster than Gnome on fast systems. After 1.5Ghz, they are about equal.
[03:43] <membreya> pastyhermit: yup, and it has sfa hardware support
[03:44] <zenwhen> chickenman, what speed is your CPU.
[03:44] <membreya> I'm only running amd64 3200 .. I want a new PC :(
[03:44] <kosmos> yeah windows with nearly no services is faster (win 98 has no sound server for example)
[03:44] <mirak> can anyone HELP me
[03:44] <mirak> please
[03:44] <chickenman> i got 550mhz 188mb ram
[03:44] <leonel> pastyhermit, great
[03:44] <ricardo_> Please?
[03:44] <darksatanic> mirak: Not until you tell us what's wrong...
[03:44] <CarlK_> chickenman - I just installed on a P2-400, 196meg - works great
[03:44] <njs12345> ricardo_: try something like sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
[03:44] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, ricardo /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart
[03:44] <mirak> I ask for one hour
[03:44] <njs12345> lemme check what it is
[03:45] <mirak> I try to install a boot block
[03:45] <membreya> ricardo_: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[03:45] <mirak> on a new system
[03:45] <njs12345> yup
[03:45] <njs12345> it's cupsys
[03:45] <mirak> and I can't
[03:45] <njs12345> hmm
[03:45] <ricardo_> thanks!!!
[03:45] <njs12345> this is kind of off topic
[03:45] <njs12345> but
[03:45] <mirak> I can't boot with grub
[03:45] <njs12345> what's the type of suseconds_t?
[03:45] <mirak> I don't know how to install lilo
[03:45] <plagerism>  My multimedia key volume control ceased functioning when I upgraded to 2.10, what package would that be in??I remember this happening before and I had to remove some packages and install them again, for it to work
[03:45] <njs12345> mirak: you using RAID or SATA or something like that?
[03:45] <darksatanic> Why can't you boot with grub?
[03:45] <mirak> no, ide
[03:45] <njs12345> hmm
[03:45] <njs12345> that's strange
[03:46] <njs12345> I can't boot with grub either, but that's because I'm using SATA
[03:46] <membreya> plagerism: I haven't even got my MM keys working :|
[03:46] <mirak> I tried to use the grub-0.95-i386-pc.iso
[03:46] <membreya> njs12345: I have no problems with grub and I'm running SATA
[03:46] <mirak> that is provided with grub-disk
[03:46] <mirak> and it fails
[03:46] <njs12345> membreya: I suspect it's something wrong with my SATA hardware
[03:46] <ricardo_> humm. It didn't work
[03:46] <plagerism> membreya, I had them working perfectly before the upgrade, on my keyboard and on my ATI remote control!!
[03:46] <mirak> the floppy can't boot, it doesn't even boot in qemu
[03:47] <membreya> njs12345: I'm just using an nforce3 controller
[03:47] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, ricardo /etc/init.d/cup(tab) restart      it's case sensitive too
[03:47] <SeeleyUSMC> Wow.  Slow torrent.  Only 170kb/s today
[03:47] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, sorry
[03:47] <njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: what are you torrenting?
[03:48] <zenwhen> No Problem.
[03:48] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: install version of hoary
[03:48] <membreya> plagerism: have you tried going into keyboard shortcuts, I just did then and it mapped them perfectly
[03:48] <mirak> how to create a boot floppy
[03:48] <mirak> ?
[03:48] <plagerism> membreya, thats not where the problem lies, When I hit the key mapped to volume control the box comes up, however it doesnt change the volume
[03:49] <plagerism> Last time it was a matter of uninstalling and reinstalling some packages, but for the life of me I cannot remember which ones, I think it had something to do with capplets
[03:49] <njs12345> membreya: I'm using the built in SATA on my Asus P4P800-VM
[03:49] <PacoBCN> I'm a bit bored now... seems that everything works perfectly in hoary :(
[03:49] <Codyman> how do i configure my network card?
[03:49] <membreya> PacoBCN: wait until hoary is released as a final and then you will have grumpy to install :)
[03:50] <plagerism> PacoBCN, you should do what I did, and break things!! I got bored too so I broke things
[03:50] <Codyman> i accidentally bypassed the setup screen when ubuntu was installing
[03:50] <PacoBCN> plagerism, good idea
[03:50] <njs12345> Codyman: try "ifconfig --help" or "man ifconfig" and "iwconfig --help" or "man iwconfig"
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Codyman, sudo network-admin have a look in there and see if your nic card is listed
[03:50] <meepmeep`> hi :)
[03:50] <PacoBCN> but it's safier to convince other people to install Ubuntu and try to fix their problems via ssh :D
[03:50] <Codyman> ok thanks
[03:50] <njs12345> or try what LinuxJones suggested, that'll probably work
[03:51] <njs12345> anyone here have Flumotion installed and running?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> njs12345, no but I am going to set one up in a few weeks
[03:51] <PacoBCN> njs12345, I tried but I didn't succeed, however, I didn't spent time on it, actually
[03:51] <Codyman> LinuxJones: didn't work.. by the way i have the latest amd64 version of Kubuntu
[03:52] <njs12345> Codyman: I think network-admin is GNOME only
[03:52] <Codyman> what would be the kde equivilent?
[03:52] <PacoBCN> LinuxJones, cool, will you also installa a hava applet for web?
[03:52] <njs12345> I don't know
[03:52] <njs12345> but it should have the command line tools
[03:52] <njs12345> PacoBCN: I was trying today
[03:53] <PacoBCN> njs12345, and what was the problem?
[03:53] <njs12345> when I run flumotion-admin, I get a whole load of errors and it never starts
[03:53] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, what I want to do is export my desktop while helping folks here. It is easier sometimes to show people how to do something in Linux rather than tell them usign text :)
[03:53] <njs12345> LinuxJones: VNC?
[03:53] <PacoBCN> LinuxJones, that would be great, indeed
[03:53] <LinuxJones> njs12345, if more than 1 person wants to look in it's easier to setup a streaming server
[03:53] <njs12345> I think you can set VNC up so that people can only watch and not control
[03:53] <Pheonix> hi all
[03:54] <njs12345> hey Pheonix
[03:54] <LinuxJones> njs12345, it's going to be a video stream they can only watch what I do :)
[03:54] <chickenman> im going to play my PS2 see you all later :D
[03:54] <Pheonix> am new to Ubuntu, just installed the new release
[03:54] <Pheonix> it didnt ask me to set up a root password
[03:54] <njs12345> ..and what do you think? :)
[03:54] <membreya> with VNC, just go to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop ...tick "Allow others to view your desktop" but make sure that "Allow others to control your desktop" is deselected
[03:54] <njs12345> no, it uses sudo
[03:55] <njs12345> sudo command-that-requires-root
[03:55] <njs12345> and enter your user password
[03:55] <njs12345> or
[03:55] <njs12345> sudo -s
[03:55] <njs12345> to get a root shell
[03:55] <Pheonix> ahhh ok
[03:55] <Pheonix> makes sense now
[03:56] <Pheonix> but apart from that it looks good
[03:56] <Pheonix> still getting used to the layout
[03:56] <membreya> is there any way to assign a keyboard shortcut to launch a specific application ?
[03:56] <Pheonix> bbs
[03:56] <plagerism> membreya, yea you use gconf-editor, however I cant remember the exact location of the key
[03:56] <rempresent> anyone try to install amarok before?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> rempresent, that isn't part of the kubuntu-desktop package ?
[03:57] <PacoBCN> what is amarok?
[03:58] <rempresent> i don't know
[03:58] <rempresent> i think so, since it is based off of kde
[03:58] <rempresent> to work off of the kde desktop environment
[03:59] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: gmail :P
[03:59] <njs12345> PacoBCN: amarok = KDE based music player
[03:59] <njs12345> a bit like Rhythmbox for KDE
[03:59] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: you can use pop3 to check your hotmail if you install hotwayd
[03:59] <njs12345> but it's meant to be the shit
[03:59] <LinuxJones> membreya, is gmail available yet ?
[03:59] <njs12345> LinuxJones: no
[03:59] <LinuxJones> :(
[03:59] <njs12345> but if anyone wants an invite I have like 50
[03:59] <membreya> LinuxJones: I'm checking my ISP, gmail, hotmail and my local mail file with thunderbird
[03:59] <PacoBCN> njs12345, thx
[03:59] <membreya> all working beautifully
[03:59] <HiddenWolf> linuxjones: need an invite?
[04:00] <LinuxJones> yahoomail doesn't seem to work with Evolution
[04:00] <SeeleyUSMC> doesn't hotmail have a lot of advertisements?
[04:00] <njs12345> yup
[04:00] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, maybe I'll just wait :)
[04:00] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: nope, I get maybe one spam a month..and that's just the newsletter
[04:00] <SeeleyUSMC> hrm
[04:00] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, I need something to look forward to, it's what keeps me going :D
[04:01] <njs12345> yay!
[04:01] <njs12345> http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=159902316
[04:01] <NJal> Ok how do i use this?
[04:01] <membreya> njs12345: meh.. I hate firefox
[04:01] <SeeleyUSMC> membreya: So if I get a hotmail account, I can access it in a POP3 email app like evolution or the like?
[04:01] <membreya> galeon all the way :)
[04:01] <HiddenWolf> linuxjones: sad going if you're looking forward to gmail
[04:01] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: yes indeed, the service you need to run is called hotwayd
[04:01] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, heh
[04:01] <njs12345> membreya: I do webdev and Internet Explorer makes me want to slit my wrists ;)
[04:02] <HiddenWolf> membreya: I'll cary galeon all the way to the graveyard for you ;)
[04:02] <NJal> Erm anyone mind lending me a hand?
[04:02] <membreya> njs12345: I like IE ...but above all I love my galeon :)
[04:02] <njs12345> NJal: with what?
[04:02] <njs12345> membreya: well do me a favour and persuade people not to use IE
[04:03] <membreya> njs12345: lol :P
[04:03] <NJal> Well duel booting Ubuntu
[04:03] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: http://freshmeat.net/projects/hotwayd/
[04:03] <plagerism> njs12345:s/IE/Windows XP/g
[04:03] <plagerism> Problem solved!!!
[04:03] <Bauhn> zenwhen > I'm back ;P I found the wireless cofiguration.. but i dont know what's the unit are called (i have it in swedish, so i dont know what it's called in english)
[04:04] <NJal> How does it fair against the likes of SuSE and Fedora?
[04:04] <HiddenWolf> plagerism: dont' mention windows here, I've just eaten.
[04:04] <plagerism> lol
[04:04] <njs12345> NJal: never used either of them
[04:04] <membreya> it's been a good two weeks since I've been in windows...and I don't intend to boot it for a long time
[04:04] <plagerism> HiddenWolf, what if it about persuading people not to use XP?
[04:04] <zenwhen> Bauhn, I dont understand your question.
[04:04] <NJal> I need Windows to download drivers for Linux atm
[04:04] <njs12345> but I think it's more stable than Fedora and more bleeding edge than SuSE
[04:05] <NJal> So i need a duel boot
[04:05] <HiddenWolf> plagerism: good luck with that.
[04:05] <membreya> njs12345: bleeding edge means getting cut from time to time :P
[04:05] <plagerism> membreya, havent had a windows partition for 5 years now, and I couldnt be happier.  Anything i need to do in Windows I can do in VMWARE!!
[04:05] <membreya> plagerism: only thing I need windows for is transcoding Xvid files to mpeg2 so I can burn them to DVD .. I'm too lazy right now to learn how to do it in linux
[04:06] <NJal> But my question is, will it duel boot?
[04:06] <HiddenWolf> plagerism: that's running windows on bypass, no cudo's for you
[04:06] <Bauhn> zenwhen > when i'm installing the wireless network it's a couple of fields i should fill in.. the first is unit (or something like that in english), next is ssid-name (what's that?) and the last is the WEP-key, which is on 26 letters
[04:06] <nicc> njs12345, ur talking about ubuntu?
[04:06] <plagerism> membreya, why not use Transcode?? Much faster
[04:06] <njs12345> nicc: yes
[04:06] <Codyman> anyone know what app is used under Kubuntu for network configuration?
[04:06] <membreya> plagerism: read above :)
[04:06] <njs12345> I said I wasn't sure
[04:06] <nicc> njs12345, hoary?
[04:06] <Bauhn> zenwhen so what should i write in the first field?
[04:06] <membreya> besides.. it only takes about 30 mins to transcode a file in windows
[04:07] <njs12345> just Ubuntu in general
[04:07] <markuman> hello. i?m tryin since over 10 minutes to make with lame a mp3 file to a .wav file.....can someone help me? how does it work???
[04:07] <plagerism> membreya, its actually not that hard, I was quite surprised myself
[04:07] <Riddell> Codyman: none yet, try knetworkconf in universe
[04:07] <njs12345> markuman: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[04:07] <DarthFrog> markuman: It doesn't work that way.  It turns a  wav file into an mp3.
[04:07] <nicc> could anyone try muine ? does it work?
[04:07] <AMIGrAve> what is approximately the timing buffered disk read speed in MB/Sec (hdparm -tT)  for a 40X dvdwriter ? (assuming it is correctly configured for dma, ...)
[04:07] <Codyman> Riddell: ok i'll try
[04:07] <Riddell> (it's not ready for use yet but maybe you can make it do something Codyman )
[04:07] <membreya> plagerism: wanna give me the command line to transcode xvid to mpeg 2 ? :)
[04:08] <ricardo_> I back.
[04:08] <zenwhen> Bauhn, I am not currently using a computer with a wireless connection. Ill have to boot up my old laptop to see
[04:08] <ricardo_> I'm back
[04:08] <zenwhen> why is it in swedish?
[04:08] <nicc> does anyone have muine installed?
[04:08] <Bauhn> zenwhen becuase i'm swedish ;P
[04:08] <njs12345> nicc:I tried a while back, and never could get it work
[04:08] <zenwhen> Why cant you read it?
 no, will it work with it?
[04:08] <ricardo_> I cannnot restart cups. I tried it with /etc/ini.d/cupsd restart and it didn't work
[04:08] <nicc> njs12345, nothing worked?
[04:09] <membreya> ricardo_: it's cupsys
[04:09] <plagerism> membreya, here is a nice little tutorial for authoring dvds with menus even http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php
[04:09] <Codyman> Riddell: knetworkconf does not work
[04:09] <njs12345> markuman: you can probably do some funkyness with gst-launch if you have gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:09] <plagerism> membreya, the command is the same for all types of videos
[04:09] <ricardo_> what is the command?
[04:09] <Riddell> Codyman: what doesn't work about it?
[04:09] <rempresent> i can't remove this directory, it says that it is empty, and i can't manually move it
[04:09] <membreya> AMIGrAve: I get 2.5MB/s on -t and 927MB/s on -T
[04:09] <njs12345> rempresent: rm -r
[04:09] <rempresent> how can you force remove a directory?
[04:09] <lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and starts the gui.  any help?
[04:09] <njs12345> to force: rm -rf
[04:10] <membreya> rempresent: rm -rf
[04:10] <membreya> with a sudo
[04:10] <rempresent> would it be rmdir -r
[04:10] <nicc> and does anyone have no troubles with rhythmbox ? I think I messed up something but I'm not sure. will a reinstall help?
[04:10] <Codyman> Riddell: i type in the command and nothing happens... should something happen?
[04:10] <AMIGrAve> membreya: and you've got a 40X speed ?
[04:10] <rempresent> rm will work
[04:10] <membreya> erm, 52x :)
[04:10] <rempresent> ?
[04:10] <Riddell> Codyman: have you installed it?
[04:10] <njs12345> nicc: try gst-register-0.8 in a term
[04:10] <markuman> is there any other tool to make a mp3 to a wav file???
[04:10] <Codyman> i can't install it if i don't have the internet which is what i'm try to fix
[04:10] <membreya> AMIGrAve: did you do a sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[04:10] <AMIGrAve> membreya: yeps
[04:10] <lawman> btw.  it's ubuntu 5.04
[04:10] <lawman> help.
[04:10] <plagerism> membreya, here is a nice little script to do it as well http://sourceforge.net/projects/divxtodvd/. it ussually needs some tweaking, but it works in most instances that I have used it!!
[04:11] <Riddell> Codyman: fair point, well you'll have to play with editing /etc/network/interfaces by hand and running sudo ifup eth0 etc
[04:11] <membreya> plagerism: xvid..not divx :P
[04:11] <rempresent> tight, it worked, thanks everyone
[04:11] <AMIGrAve> membreya: my speed is also 2.56MB/sec
[04:11] <plagerism> membreya divx/xvid all the same stuff
[04:11] <plagerism> membreya same commands to do it all
[04:11] <nicc> njs12345, it ran fine
[04:11] <lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu 5.04.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and tries to start the gui.  any guidance on the problem?
[04:11] <Bauhn> zenwhen i can read it, but i dont understand what i'm supposed to write in the first field.. i cant choose any network-card (btw, i have an usb-card.. DLINK dwl-122)
[04:12] <AMIGrAve> membreya: but when I type hdparm /dev/dvd  i've got this line at the end of the output : HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[04:12] <nicc> njs12345, I still can't read 50 % of my song
[04:12] <nicc> njs12345, I see album's name but thats all
[04:12] <njs12345> lawman: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[04:12] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all
[04:12] <lawman> via i think
[04:12] <SeeleyUSMC> ...half an hour left to download install version of hoary
[04:12] <njs12345> you might need to set up proprietrary graphics drivers, see the wiki
[04:12] <jalal_ubuntu> how to configure sound in ubuntu 4.10
[04:12] <jalal_ubuntu> plz
[04:13] <cdr> hi, is ubuntu suitable for production servers?
[04:13] <ricardo_> THANKS FOLKS!!!!
[04:13] <nicc> AMIGrAve, who doesnt have that?
[04:13] <njs12345> cdr: yes, it's basically debian if you're using it for a server
[04:13] <amiroff> Anybody has a copy of autopackage.tar.bz2 file locally by chance ? I really need it...
[04:13] <rempresent> where can you download the presets for the equalizer in xmms?
[04:14] <cdr> njs12345: i know but i thought it was based on the unstable branch of debian
[04:14] <heze> cdr, hoary is unstable afaik, warty is not.
[04:14] <nicc> cdr, I think ubuntu is better for desktop, even though it could be used as server too
[04:14] <njs12345> cdr: ubuntulinux.org is running it atm, and I've never seen it go down
[04:14] <jalal_ubuntu> sound pls how ti configure it in ubuntu
[04:14] <markuman> how to make a wav file from a mp3 file??????
[04:15] <heze> markuman, ask google
[04:15] <nicc> markuman, yes
[04:15] <lawman> 12345:  i'm a total newbie to linux.  what does wiki mean?
[04:15] <heze> "linux convert mp3 wav" should find something
[04:15] <jalal_ubuntu> plz
[04:15] <heze> markuman, xmms might have a disk writer output plugin, try that..
[04:16] <cdr> lawman: it's like a forum
[04:16] <lawman> ok
[04:16] <markuman> heze, http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=%22linux+convert+mp3+wav%22&btnG=Suche&meta=
[04:16] <lawman> any link?
[04:16] <markuman> heze , nothing!!!
[04:17] <heze> markuman, feel free to adjust the search parameters :)
[04:17] <plagerism> markuman use mpg123 -w something.wav something.mp3
[04:18] <nicc> I could try warty but it didnt have muine
[04:19] <lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu 5.04.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and tries to start the gui.  any guidance on the problem?  i've tried looking at a wiki forum, but can't seen anything about blank login screens.
[04:19] <markuman> plagerism, thx!!!
[04:19] <plagerism> markuman your welcome
[04:20] <LinuxJones> lawman, your screen goes black or locks up ?
[04:20] <nicc> lawman, you get the console? just X isnt working?
[04:20] <heze> lawman, umm, do you get a text login if you ctrl+alt+f1?
[04:20] <membreya> gah ..damn computer..only EVER freezes when I use my internet browser... I think it has to do with the fact that I'm running reiserfs
[04:20] <lawman> it goes black.
[04:20] <lawman> doesn't lock up
[04:20] <membreya> will go back to ext3 when I get my 200gb
[04:20] <lawman> if i try to power off. the black gui screen disappears to the txt screen
[04:20] <lawman> and i see a login prompt
[04:20] <lawman> and things powering off
[04:20] <nicc> membreya, strange
[04:20] <heze> membreya, which version of reiser are you running?
[04:21] <membreya> 3.6
[04:21] <nicc> lawman, it powers of alone?
[04:21] <jalal_ubuntu> anyone know how to configure ?
[04:21] <lawman> no.  if i press power button.  i get console. when X starts, it becomes black.
[04:21] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu I know how to configure
[04:21] <LinuxJones> lawman, at the text login screen hit ctrl+alt+F2
[04:22] <lawman> ok.  and that will fix it?
[04:22] <lawman> i'll try a reboot now and report feedback. thx.
[04:22] <madstop> hey folks.  I'm about to install kde through synaptic, but I'm getting dire warnings that the software "can't be authenticated".  What's that about?
[04:22] <nicc> not really but it'll be a good start
[04:22] <electricwheels> Good Day All :)
[04:22] <nicc> madstop, it isnt from official repo
[04:22] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, plz which command i'll use ?
[04:23] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu ./configure
[04:23] <jsgotangco> greetings
[04:23] <madstop> These are marked "supported" by ubuntu, nicc
[04:23] <heze> anyone know why the nvidia kernel modules doesn't load up automatically for me? (hoary, 2.6.10-5-k7)? i have to manually load it first.
[04:23] <nicc> madstop, you get it from the right repo?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> lawman, no we going to try to fix it for you
[04:23] <PacoBCN> heze, is in the modules list?
[04:24] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i'm talkin about sound configuration
[04:24] <heze> pacobcn, the what? :)
[04:24] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i get no sound
[04:24] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: alsa or oss??
[04:24] <PacoBCN> heze, type "vi /etc/modules"
[04:24] <madstop> main repo, nicc
[04:24] <LinuxJones> heze, install the 2.6.10-4-k7 kernel-image and  use that kernel
[04:24] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism dunno i'm a newbie :)
[04:24] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know a good site for sucking up time while waiting for a download?
[04:24] <heze> linuxjones, isn't that one broken?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> heze, the 2.6.10-5-k7 + nvidia have problems for some of us :(
[04:25] <plagerism> jalal_ubnutu: what does lsmod|grep snd show??
[04:25] <LinuxJones> heze, no I am running it right now
[04:25] <heze> i'm running it fine after modprobing it manually
[04:25] <goxy> anybody helps me with intel 536 on ubuntu 5.04
[04:25] <nicc> no
[04:25] <LinuxJones> heze, I still can't run it as of last night
[04:25] <madstop> the kde files I'm referring to are all marked with ubuntu logo.
[04:26] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, it worke in the live cd version but not when i installed
[04:26] <heze> pacobcn, thanks.
[04:26] <LinuxJones> goxy, what's wrong ?
[04:27] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: does `lsmod|grep snd` show anything??
[04:27] <madstop> I googled, but found nothing on this.  damn, probably should do an update first then check...
[04:27] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, wait
[04:27] <PacoBCN> heze, solved?
[04:27] <heze> pacobcn, will see in 20 mins when i get to reboot
[04:28] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes
[04:28] <nicc> the terminal in synaptic is totally black
[04:28] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism can i paste it in private
[04:28] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: have you tried using the sound mixer to control volume??
[04:28] <nicc> it should show software being installed
[04:28] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links but this piece off not work
[04:28] <plagerism> jalal_ubunut: I dont know what it means I just know it should be there
[04:28] <PacoBCN> heze, ok
[04:29] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes all voume are up
[04:29] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: try `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart`
[04:29] <KudDa> how do i install mplayer on warty ... any apt-get command i can use?
[04:30] <LinuxJones> KudDa, search the website for restricted formats
[04:30] <madstop> nicc, sometimes in that black terminal, you just have to scroll way down till you see some messages.
[04:30] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, ok
[04:31] <nicc> madstop, oops too late. I didnt try that
[04:31] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: no error messages??
[04:31] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: check to see if esd is running. `ps -ef |grep esd`
[04:32] <SeeleyUSMC> Any recommended things I should look for after install of ubuntu?  Remember, I'm new, so ANY suggestions are thanked.
[04:32] <electricwheels> I have a problem with GRUB not booting my Windows XP .  In the menu.lst the entry for booting windows xp was "root  (hd0,0)", I was told by one of the people on here to change it to "rootnoverify  (hd0,0) so I did.  Now when I want to boot windows it just lists the commands and nothing else happens, compared to me getting an error message before the change. The rest of the commands are savedefault makeactive chainloader +1.  Wh
[04:32] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, jalal    20475     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:03 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps  -as 2 -spawnfd 17
[04:32] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, still no sound
[04:32] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: kill it ``kill -9 20475`
[04:33] <LinuxJones> electricwheels, I don't run windows but I am sure someone could post their menu.lst file to pastebin.ca for you
[04:33] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, and ?
[04:33] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu:  try something to see if you get sound
[04:33] <nicc> rhythmbox and muine are still fucked up
[04:34] <electricwheels> That would be great if someone could do that for me.. :)
[04:34] <nicc> I need to know if I'm alone, or if these are real bugs
[04:34] <spenser> Does the kubuntu live cd have an install to HD option?
[04:34] <thenuke> spenser: no
[04:34] <heze> electricwheels, i'll do
[04:34] <LinuxJones> spenser, no
[04:34] <spenser> thenuke:  ugh. thanks
[04:34] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, still nothing xmms goes too fast
[04:34] <nicc> because I couldnt find anything about it on google and bugzilla
[04:34] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, and i have no soud
[04:35] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: try something more simple, try mpg123 <sound file>
[04:35] <imnes> I'm going through a fresh install right now of Warty, if I'm going to immediately upgrade to Hoary do I need to let the installer of Warty go online and download additional packages at the end of the installation or can I skip that?
[04:35] <heze> electricwheels, http://pastebin.com/260179
[04:35] <KudDa> i got all the file needed from mplayer page ... codec and tars ... i tried to follow instruction in there ... i end up reinstalling my ubuntu ...
[04:35] <imnes> If I skip that, once I change my repos and issue a dist-upgrade will it still grab all those packages that I skipped in the installer?
[04:35] <KudDa> any simple way?
[04:36] <nicc> imnes, why dont u do a hoary install?
[04:36] <rvirani> How come the CD-ripper wont rip MP3 files
[04:36] <madstop> nicc -- yep, I just needed to update, and the security warnings went away for kde...
[04:36] <rvirani> its kind of flippin useless
[04:36] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, nothing
[04:36] <imnes> nicc: don't have a hoary disk right now.
[04:36] <LinuxJones> KudDa, you add the mirilat repository
[04:36] <nicc> madstop, ?
[04:36] <plagerism> jalal_ubunutu: does the output of mpg123 give you any hints??
[04:37] <jalal_ubuntu> cant find the command
[04:37] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, cant find the command
[04:37] <rvirani> do you need that to rip MP3s?
[04:37] <rvirani> why isnt it there by default
[04:37] <rvirani> seems really stupid...
[04:37] <Sonium> hi, is there a ubuntu version with german translation?
[04:37] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `apt-get install mpg123`
[04:37] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `sudo apt-get install mpg123`
[04:37] <madstop> nicc, I was complaining about non-authenticated kde packages in synaptic...
[04:37] <Sonium> my grandmother doesn't speak english very well ;)
[04:38] <nicc> madstop, ho yes :)
[04:38] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here know if limewire works with ubuntu?
[04:38] <Bauhn> I have installed ubuntu today, and now i'm trying to get internet working. I have wireless internet and my network card is D-Link DWL-122. My problem is that when i'm in the wireless-network-configuration i cant find a "unit" (don't know what it says in the english version). anyone who can help me with configuring my network card/ubuntu?
[04:38] <electricwheels> what is pastebin.com ??
[04:38] <nicc> madstop, all fine then
[04:38] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, it says no packhe contains this name
[04:39] <SeeleyUSMC> 4 minutes to burn time
[04:39] <Sonium> Bauhn: D-Link sucks hard on linux, i don't think that there is a driver for your card
[04:39] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `sudo apt-get install mpg321`
[04:39] <SeeleyUSMC> Sonium: what is the best wireless card for linux then?
[04:39] <Bauhn> Sonium the bad news is that i dont have/can get another for a while ;P
[04:39] <KudDa> "...you add the mirilat repository" ... ??? im lost ... i'm not that good at linux :P
[04:40] <heze> isn't there the windows driver wrapper for linux to help that wlan thing?
[04:40] <Sonium> SeeleyUSMC: everything that uses a common chipset like prism
[04:40] <madstop> yep, here comes kde; just wish I knew which of these hundreds of packages I'm supposed to install -- I suppose "kde base" is a reasonable guess, eh? :) noob here
[04:40] <SeeleyUSMC> Well Atheros uses a commen chipset right?
[04:40] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, are u there ?
[04:40] <Sonium> think so
[04:41] <Bauhn> heze msg me if you find it
[04:41] <nicc> I think prism is better, but it needs a firmware
[04:41] <geneo93> madstop:  just kde and that gives you all you need
[04:41] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: yes the packages is mpg321, not mpg123
[04:41] <LinuxJones> electricwheels, it's a place where you can paste text temporarily for others to see.
[04:41] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: so `sudo apt-get install mpg321`
[04:41] <nicc> anyway my prism54 is still a lot better than my atheros card
[04:41] <Sonium> Bauhn: http://julian.coccia.com/blog/index.php?p=53&more=1
[04:41] <goxy> anybody helps me with intel 536 on ubuntu 5.04
[04:42] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, nothnig still unreachebale
[04:42] <heze> bauhn, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[04:42] <LinuxJones> goxy, what's the problem ?
[04:42] <Bauhn> Sonium thanks!
[04:42] <Bauhn> heze ok, thx
[04:42] <plagerism> jalal_ubunutu, you dont have a network connection on your box??
[04:42] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes i have it
[04:42] <PacoBCN> I'm convincing people in Nicotine channels to use Ubuntu... kinda priest of Linux...
[04:43] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i get that : Aucun paquet ne correspond au paquet mpg321
[04:43] <luiz_> I recived ubuntu from a friend here in Brasil, but when I triede to start the live cd it did't recognized my geforce 4 mx. How can i sove the problem?
[04:43] <madstop> geneo93, believe it or not, I don't see any "just kde" packages here -- unless you mean all this stuff with the languages listed; I thought all that was documentation
[04:44] <goxy> LinuxJones:i compile module insert it into kernel make links but this piece off not work
[04:44] <geneo93> madstop:  all i did was apt-get install kde
[04:44] <plagerism> okay jalal_ubuntu: just try cat /usr/share/sounds/gtk-events/activate.wav>/dev/dsp
[04:44] <LinuxJones> goxy, what module are you trying to compile ?
[04:44] <electricwheels> ok well I have checked my menu.lst against the one that you sent me and they are both the same but when I use mine I get the error filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 ....
[04:44] <apokryphos> madstop: what are you trying to do?
[04:45] <madstop> well, that's what I'll do to geneo93 -- thanks!
[04:45] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu, any sound??
[04:45] <goxy> LinuxJones:i compile driver from tha intel site
[04:45] <madstop> "do too"
[04:45] <LinuxJones> goxy, for what device ?
[04:45] <goxy> LinuxJones: modem Intel536
[04:45] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism,  no  :(
[04:45] <Bauhn> Sonium i suck on linux and don't understand much from that text.. do i have to download a kernel update, or what's it saying?
[04:45] <geneo93> madstop:  np
[04:46] <goxy> this module works on other distros with 2.6 kernel
[04:46] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: just a hunch but ps -ef |grep esd again
[04:46] <LinuxJones> goxy, do you have build-essential installed ?
[04:46] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism,  i got nothing
[04:46] <Sonium> Bauhn: you probably have to compile a kernel yourself
[04:46] <goxy> LinuxJones: jes
[04:47] <madstop> apokryphos, just installing kde.  Synaptic is confusing me; not sure which package I should install first.
[04:47] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu, perhaps I am not the best to help you then, that is as far as my knowledge goes
[04:47] <goxy> and module compiles
[04:47] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell madstop ubukde
[04:47] <Pyre> madstop: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:47] <LinuxJones> goxy, does it spit out any errors ?
[04:47] <Bauhn> Sonium ohfuck, i dont know a shit about compiling kernels ;P
[04:47] <Yobui> hi i know this is kinda offtopic, but i'm kinda desperate :), do you know where can I find a good explanation of copy-on-write pages for linux? (especially regarding fork() speedups?)
[04:47] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, is there an utility to configure the sound card like snd-sonfig ?
[04:47] <madstop> thank you both!
[04:47] <goxy> nothing speccially
[04:48] <goxy> same as in other distros
[04:48] <goxy> evrithing looks good
[04:48] <LinuxJones> goxy, do you have to run depmod for the system to find the new module ?
[04:48] <madstop> (er, is Pyre the designated rtfm guy?)
[04:48] <goxy> no
[04:49] <Sonium> Bauhn: hrm, you better ask in one of the ubuntu forums
[04:49] <goxy> but i insert the module
[04:49] <LinuxJones> goxy, mmm I wish I could help
[04:49] <Bauhn> Sonium ok, but anyway. thanks for the help
[04:49] <LinuxJones> goxy, it errors out when you try to load it ?
[04:49] <goxy> dmesg
[04:49] <stodge> Does kubuntu have anti-aliased fonts?
[04:49] <goxy> nothing
[04:49] <Sonium> Bauhn: the problem is, i never used ubuntu so I can't tell you e.g. where to place the compiled kernel
[04:49] <apokryphos> stodge: yes
[04:49] <sabmoc> stodge, yes
[04:50] <stodge> Ok -the screenshots I saw didn't look like it does
[04:50] <stodge> :P
[04:50] <apokryphos> stodge: in the preview it didn't by default I think, though.
[04:50] <heze> sonium, /boot is a good place :)
[04:50] <stodge> Ah ok
[04:50] <stodge> Anyone using it?
[04:50] <apokryphos> stodge: yup :). See also #kubuntu
[04:50] <heze> sonium, then again it might be a good idea to build up a .deb of the new kernel(+modules), dunno how to do that tho :P
[04:50] <stodge> Ah will do!
[04:50] <PlasmaPain> what is the partition program in ubuntu ?
[04:50] <madstop> good morning, sabmoc.  or evening, or whatever applies
[04:50] <nicc> what do u prefer between hoary and warty?
[04:50] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, what's not working ?
[04:50] <sabmoc> madstop, almost 8am thanks
[04:51] <apokryphos> nicc: vast majority here using hoary
[04:51] <goxy> wvdial says no modem
[04:51] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  best way to learn is to have a totally broken system
[04:51] <goxy> /dev/modem
[04:51] <LinuxJones> goxy, you get errors when you try to load the module ?
[04:51] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, do you mean a desktop tool, or an command line tool?
[04:51] <goxy> no
[04:51] <Sonium> looks like moste ubuntu users are absolutly linux newbs
[04:51] <LinuxJones> goxy, it jsut doesn't work ?
[04:51] <PlasmaPain> i mean a partition tool
[04:51] <sabmoc> Sonium, ahem
[04:51] <goxy> yes
[04:51] <madstop> nicc, for me, the nice thing is, gnome panels aren't crashing anymore!
[04:52] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, yes, a partition tool for the desktop, or a command line partition tool?
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> LinuxJones: Well, it would be really nice if I could get a connection to the internet so I can stop switching between my partitions to access the net and then test something out, find out it doesn't work, then have to boot back to windows again...
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> painful
[04:52] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, you have a wireless card ?
[04:52] <goxy> in addition it works on fedora,mdk,slack,vector,windovs
[04:52] <nicc> its still way too bugged for me
[04:52] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: You could use gparted.
[04:52] <madstop> and the menus are more sensible, and firefox is more up to date, etc etc
[04:52] <PlasmaPain> cfdisk
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> I'll be back in a bit.  Going to install Hoary.
[04:52] <PlasmaPain> and what else ?
[04:52] <goxy> knoppix
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> LinuxJones: Yes.  An Atheros a/b/g internal to my laptop
[04:52] <heze> pacobcn, yeah that fixed the nvidia problem. i wonder if i should've run some cmd after upgrading the kernel to get nvidia "enabled" again :o can't recall the command tho.
[04:52] <apokryphos> nicc: what's the problem? I've experienced about two bugs, and they were a long time ago.
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> HOARY
[04:53] <Sonium> so, back to my question: are there any localisation efforts on ubuntu?
[04:53] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, let me see what i can find
[04:53] <nicc> apokryphos, u must be lucky
[04:53] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: parted, qtparted, fdisk.
[04:53] <PacoBCN> heze, now it's loading the module, right?
[04:53] <heze> pacobcn, yeah
[04:53] <apokryphos> nicc: I don't think so; bugs in here seem scarce.
[04:53] <PacoBCN> heze, you can try to see if it's enabled or not
[04:53] <nicc> apokryphos, scarce?
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> no cfdisk ?
[04:53] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, fdisk, or from the desktop you can use qtparted, it is a partition magic clone.
[04:53] <PacoBCN> it won't affect
[04:53] <heze> pacobcn, what? where? :)
[04:54] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: Yes, cfdisk.
[04:54] <apokryphos> %dict scarce
[04:54] <Pyre> Scarce (adv.) Alt. of Scarcely
[04:54] <goxy> mybe its 'feature[ of debian
[04:54] <PlasmaPain> im never going to install ubuntu
[04:54] <PacoBCN> heze,  "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:54] <apokryphos> nicc: rare :)
[04:54] <zenwhen> PlasmaPain, lol
[04:54] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, howdy
[04:54] <nicc> apokryphos, could u try muine for me?
[04:54] <PacoBCN> heze, with sudo before
[04:54] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Good morning.
[04:54] <PacoBCN> "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:54] <apokryphos> nicc: your what?
[04:54] <sabmoc> aye, sort of
[04:54] <zenwhen> Its partitioning tools are capable of everything cfdisk is
[04:54] <PlasmaPain> ubuntu leaks
[04:55] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, and goodmorning to you
[04:55] <nicc> apokryphos, apt-get install muine
[04:55] <zenwhen> PlasmaPain, trolling is frowned upon here.
[04:55] <PlasmaPain> what trolling ?
[04:55] <heze> pacobcn, ahh right that's the command i missed :) any idea what it does?
[04:55] <PlasmaPain> theres no firewalls
[04:55] <snk00sj> hi
[04:55] <PacoBCN> heze, yes, it enables it :D
[04:55] <_d4vid> ky all
[04:56] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, yes there is
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> so any haxor can slice your ubuntu open
[04:56] <heze> pacobcn, aww that tool doesn't work for me since i've custom X config
[04:56] <SeeleyUSMC> AR5212 is the chipset I have and all of them seem to "work out of the box"
[04:56] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, you're welcome to try
[04:56] <nicc> there are many linux hackers?
[04:56] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: Try firestarter.
[04:56] <spike> hi there
[04:56] <zenwhen> PlasmaPain, stop making things up.
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> and for see your future in its guts
[04:56] <zenwhen> Theres plenty of firewalls for ubuntu.
[04:56] <sabmoc> zmog
[04:56] <zenwhen> haha
[04:56] <spike> I'm running warthy, but I'd like to try out kolourpaint, which is available in horay. any solution?
[04:56] <PacoBCN> btw, "sudo" in Spanish means "I sweat", probably because you sweat everytime you do things with root privileges :)
[04:56] <zenwhen> is this guy for real?
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> all reall hackers use linux
[04:56] <heze> pacobcn, =D
[04:57] <zenwhen> hahahahahaha
[04:57] <PlasmaPain> thast why theres no virus/trojans for linux
[04:57] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: heh
[04:57] <PlasmaPain> they dont need them
[04:57] <PacoBCN> heze, it should work
[04:57] <heze> plasmapain, wanna a count on the rootkits available for linux? :P
[04:57] <zenwhen> craziness
[04:57] <sabmoc> zenwhen, dont make eyecontact I think he is a crazed windoze user
[04:57] <nicc> PlasmaPain, what do u mean they dont need them?
[04:58] <SeeleyUSMC> Now, when they say "work out of the box" does that mean that its actually GOING to WORK when I install the distro?
[04:58] <snk00sj> i am trying to use autofs to mount some ntfs drives on my fresh ubuntu installation
[04:58] <heze> pacobcn, it bails out with an: "ERROR: your X configuration has been altered.\n This script cannot proceed automatically... etc"
[04:58] <PlasmaPain> they dont need them because its already open
[04:58] <snk00sj> where do the error logs of autofs go standard ?
[04:58] <apokryphos> nicc: interesting; does it not start up for you?
[04:58] <sabmoc> SeeleyUSMC, yes that is what 'out of the box' means, but weather that actually happens is another story. :)
[04:58] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[04:58] <nicc> apokryphos, album's picture are messed up
[04:58] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Then you are using the OS wrong.
[04:58] <heze> seeleyusmc, hoary will not do that :P
[04:58] <da_root> how can i clean the trash?
[04:58] <PacoBCN> heze, well, in that case you'll have to add to your xorg.conf the nvidia strings
[04:59] <PlasmaPain> wrong OS ?
[04:59] <SeeleyUSMC> We'll find out soon...I'm going to go off and install this now.  Be back in a short bit.
[04:59] <heze> pacobcn, nvidia strings? :o *confused*
[04:59] <apokryphos> nicc: odd; my one doesn't start up for me here.
[04:59] <heze> pacobcn, i'm such a n00b with X =(
[04:59] <apokryphos> nicc: might be worth posting that on the mailing list.
[04:59] <nicc> apokryphos, ha I see. I'm lucky finally
[04:59] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: There are trojans and rootkits for linux.  Tons of them.
[04:59] <nicc> apokryphos, rhythmbox is bugged too
[05:00] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: The difference is that once you get root on a UNIX system, nothing on heaven or earth will unseat you
[05:00] <apokryphos> nicc: heh. I don't use 'em. :D
[05:00] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: There's no need for virus scanners because you're simply fucked once you've been hit.
[05:00] <PacoBCN> heze, what did you add to your xorg.conf?
[05:00] <apokryphos> nicc: amaroK seems to fulfill all my fantasies ;)
[05:00] <sabmoc> pipeline, yes, dont forget to upgrade your rootkit to the lastest version
[05:00] <heze> pacobcn, i've a xinerama setup so lots of stuff :)
[05:00] <pipeline> sabmoc: I find it's unnecessary because many people are still running unpatched systems.
[05:00] <nicc> apokryphos, I hate this kde look
[05:00] <sabmoc> apokryphos, i hear its really great
[05:00] <PacoBCN> I see.
[05:00] <da_root> how can i cleane trash in command line
[05:00] <heze> with 2 different display adapters might i add
[05:00] <apokryphos> nicc: Sorry to hear that
[05:01] <nicc> apokryphos, I tried it I found the menus and buttons really ugly and not really well placed
[05:01] <PlasmaPain> im fucked ?
[05:01] <apokryphos> sabmoc: it certainly is. The amaroK devs seem to work at lightning pace too. Features are unrivalled, imo.
[05:01] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Thats the truth.
[05:01] <sabmoc> pipeline, i meant the rootkit installed on your computer (a joke) but hey its realy, dont expect anything i say to make sence
[05:01] <LinuxJones> heze, how is xinerama working for you ?
[05:01] <apokryphos> nicc: Interesting, I found the exact opposite.
[05:01] <nicc> apokryphos, it seems it has nice features though
[05:01] <sabmoc> *sense*
[05:01] <heze> linuxjones, quite fine actually
[05:01] <PacoBCN> Heze, I'm not a master on this but I'm pretty sure you'll have to add the proper definitions to the "Device" Section
[05:01] <heze> linuxjones, xscreensaver is a bit useless tho :)
[05:01] <heze> pacobcn, to.. get.. what?
[05:01] <apokryphos> nicc: it supports stylesheets now to change colours etc.. of stuff, but if you dislike kde look in general then you're likely to not like it at all.
[05:01] <LinuxJones> heze, so you can run different apps on different monitors ?
[05:02] <PlasmaPain> so the virus in linux are called rootkits ?
[05:02] <PacoBCN> Driver "nvidia"
[05:02] <heze> linuxjones, even the same app on both monitors
[05:02] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, no
[05:02] <LinuxJones> heze, that's awesome
[05:02] <heze> pacobcn, i'm running that yeah.
[05:02] <heze> linuxjones, just don't try anything opengl :P and i've problems with relative positioning, it just gives an error when starting X
[05:02] <PacoBCN> heze, did you see the nvidia splash screen when loaded x?
[05:02] <heze> pacobcn, nah i've disabled it
[05:03] <LinuxJones> heze, I am getting a new lcd monitor in a few weeks and would love that setup
[05:03] <PacoBCN> ok, but only because of that you don't see it then
[05:03] <heze> pacobcn, only problem was that the kernel module didn't load up automatically, i'm fine now :)
[05:03] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Rootkits arn't viruses per say.  Although they can have properties if one.  Fact is if you don't secure it no operating system is safe.
[05:03] <PacoBCN> heze, oh, great!
[05:03] <PacoBCN> :D
[05:03] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, google for rootkit, rootkit is not a virus, its a piece of software a hacker secretly installs on a system he/she has compromized so that they can gain access automatically
[05:03] <Tiscan> Some are just easier to secure then others. ;)
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> grr...
[05:03] <PacoBCN> heze, I thought you didn't have it :D
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> install disk doesn't boot for some reason...what gives/
[05:03] <nicc> apokryphos, u r using kde?
[05:03] <apokryphos> nicc: yes
[05:03] <PlasmaPain> who do i know if the hacker has rootkited me ?
[05:04] <typo> I've looked around in the site and I can't seam to find what's new in hoary? Where is it?
[05:04] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: What makes you think someone has?
[05:04] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, its called a root kit because it gives hackers root access, and a backdoor to the system, basically they own j00
[05:04] <heze> linuxjones, also i've some problem with the WM's window positioning smartness, it always throws the dialogs on the "free space" on the other side of my desktop :P that's like too far away..
[05:04] <PlasmaPain> rootkit is the same has a trojan
[05:04] <LinuxJones> heze, heh
[05:04] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, there is a program you can install that scans for all known rootkits, like a virusdetector
[05:05] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know why the install won't boot but the live does?
[05:05] <nicc> apokryphos,  I think amarok is better integrated in kde than in gnome
[05:05] <apokryphos> naturally
[05:05] <PacoBCN> just wondering if there's a way to allow Ubuntu to play only Jazz songs... my gfriend has a terrible music taste...
[05:05] <Tiscan> PacoBCN: LOL
[05:05] <jalal_ubuntu> plz how to install the firefox
[05:05] <jalal_ubuntu> i got a .tar.gz file
[05:05] <heze> apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[05:05] <DarthFrog> jalal_ubuntu: Use synaptic to install mozilla-firefox.
[05:05] <Tiscan> Jalal: You don't need a .tar.gz file.  "apt-get insrtall mozilla-firefox"
[05:06] <GnuKemist> Jalal, or tar zxvf firefox.tar.gz
[05:06] <Tiscan> er, install
[05:06] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, the difference between a virus and a rootkit is that viruses or worms can install themselves by a script runing loose on the internet, sometimes thousands of windows boxed are compromized, but a rootkit needs to be installed by hand. Which would you rather prefer?
[05:06] <jalal_ubuntu> ok i'll test it
[05:06] <GnuKemist> Jalal, then ./configure && make && make install
[05:06] <snk00sj> can anyone assist me on mounting my windows partitions using autofs ?
[05:06] <pipeline> sabmoc: Bullshit.
[05:06] <PlasmaPain> instasll by hand
[05:06] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: *sigh*
[05:06] <heze> gnukemist, bad idea :)
[05:06] <snk00sj> i tried some manuals, but cannot get it working
[05:06] <sabmoc> pipeline, which part?
[05:07] <Tiscan> sabmoc: Not always true.
[05:07] <pipeline> sabmoc, PlasmaPain: There have been dozens of script-kiddie style automated rootkits.  That's why they're called rootKITS.
[05:07] <GnuKemist> heze, the old way... ;)
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, ?
[05:07] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: also, the tarred firefox isn't compiled. It has a .bin, IIRC.
[05:07] <heze> gnukemist, well yeah use a --prefix=/opt :)
[05:07] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: 17:05 < Tiscan> Jalal: You don't need a .tar.gz file.  "apt-get insrtall mozilla-firefox"
[05:07] <pipeline> sabmo, PlasmaPain: All of the hard work is done for you.  All you have to do is wait for exploit news and run a portscanner every few weeks.
[05:07] <jjpmr52> sa
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, I'm aware of that... but the guy had a tar
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, so I answered his question
[05:08] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: just 4 questions: Yea? And? So? What?
[05:08] <PlasmaPain> so even if i scan the rootkit file with clamav its not gona find it ?
[05:08] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, but I'd recommend apt-get install
[05:08] <Tiscan> The fact is though there are many more viruses, trojans and exploits out for other operation systems.  They arn't as easy to protect against and they arn't as easy to verify that they have been well and truely fixed because we can't look at the code.
[05:08] <heze> gnukemist, what they mean is that the real answer is: rm -rf the.tar && aptitude install mozilla-firefox :P
[05:08] <GnuKemist> heze, no doubt a good solution
[05:08] <GnuKemist> heze, or easier
[05:09] <PlasmaPain> the haxors can look at linux code and devise better ways to slice it
[05:09] <jjpmr52> sa
[05:09] <heze> gnukemist, installing stuff the old way into the "default" directories will cause trouble tho
[05:09] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: 1) this is a channel where mostly newbies are asking for help 2) tar xzf ; ./configure ; make ; make install is the fastest way to fuck up your box. Do you really want to teach newbies how to fuck up their boxes instead of doing it the right way?
[05:09] <GnuKemist> heze, good point...  I'm still getting the hang of the debian way
[05:09] <sabmoc> pipeline, yeah of course, but that would only have maginal success even with older unpatched systems.
[05:10] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: The hackers look at most all of the code.  You don't think the 95/98 and 2000 source code isn't floating around for people to see?
[05:10] <Chipzz> heze: even installing things in different prefixes will cause trouble
[05:10] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, if  my intention was to fuck his box up I guess I could have told him rm -rf /
[05:10] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Security through obsurity is no security at all.
[05:10] <apokryphos> Chipzz: I'm sure it's alright and no real harm done.
[05:10] <SeeleyUSMC> This is really starting to tick me of
[05:10] <heze> tiscan, winxp SP2 source code probably isn't too widespread :P
[05:10] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, thanx
[05:10] <SeeleyUSMC> *off
[05:10] <apokryphos> Chipzz: what GnuKemist said wouldn't have worked anyway.
[05:10] <Chipzz> probably not
[05:10] <sabmoc> pipeline, otherwise we would see worms ripping though unix servers like mad, and we just dont see that.
[05:10] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, you can install and run a file integriey checker like aide in a cron and it will notify you of any changes in the core of your syste. I would only run it in the "stable" release or when Hoary is frozen.
[05:10] <pipeline> sabmoc: Are you kidding?
[05:10] <apokryphos> Chipzz: certainly not, since there's no Makefile in firefox tar.
[05:10] <heze> tiscan, that's like someone doing a custom invisible rootkit on linux. you're pwned if you're attacked by such a cracker.
[05:11] <pipeline> sabmoc: Yes, yes we do see that.
[05:11] <SeeleyUSMC> I can boot the stinking live CD but the install cd just sits there after booting...WTF?
[05:11] <PlasmaPain> so i can tell everyone my root pawwsword ?
[05:11] <Chipzz> and "fucking up" is maybe to big a word; "screwing with the package manager which will eventually lead to a broken install" is a better choice of wording
[05:11] <pipeline> sabmoc: The only reason we don't see a UNIX Code Red is that
[05:11] <Tiscan> heze: Again it is like everything else, secure yourself.
[05:11] <pipeline> sabmoc: There are too few identical systems
[05:11] <madstop> I just installed kde, any advise about which to set as default display manager, gdm or kdm?  not sure which environment I'll be using more, gnome or kde, yet
[05:11] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, definitely a better choice of words
[05:11] <apokryphos> Chipzz: you are seriously over-exaggerating.
[05:11] <heze> tiscan, and you believe windows can't be made secure?
[05:12] <Tiscan> heze: Any os is vulnerable if you don't take percausions.
[05:12] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I am most definately not
[05:12] <Tiscan> heze: I never said that, I said some os are easier to secure.
[05:12] <sabmoc> pipeline, is there anything you can show me to prove this?
[05:12] <Chipzz> I screwed up my first linux install beyond any repair that way
[05:12] <LinuxJones> pipeline, what do you mean identical systems ?
[05:12] <heze> tiscan, i might not agree linux being too much easier to secure.
[05:12] <apokryphos> Chipzz: yes, yes you are. What he said wouldn't have done anything at all. Terminal would have produced an error; so why the huffing and puffing?
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> so whats best to secure ubuntu ?
[05:12] <Chipzz> since than, package management is sacred to me ;)
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> and make it haxor tight ?
[05:12] <Chipzz> apokryphos: 'coz of the idea behind it
[05:12] <Tiscan> heze: I would disagree, I think it is.
[05:13] <pipeline> sabmoc: Look at the lists of vulnerabilities.  It's that simple.  It DOES happen, and it CAN happen to you.  Be careful.  Take heed of best practices.  Don't expose Linux systems directly to the internet.
[05:13] <apokryphos> Chipzz: irrelevant. No harm done at all; you might as well start yelling at any random person in this irc.
[05:13] <Chipzz> apokryphos: './configure ; make ; make install' is a way of saying compiling stuff yourself
[05:13] <Tiscan> pipeline: I agree.
[05:13] <apokryphos> Chipzz: gee, thanks.
[05:13] <PlasmaPain> ubuntu list of security issues is long and wide
[05:13] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, since there are no services running by default that anybody from the outside can access you don't have to do very much except stay away from 3rd party software.
[05:13] <heze> tiscan, for example on debian if you install a service, it's launched automatically with the default configuration. now how secure is that?
[05:13] <Chipzz> apokryphos: the exact commands are irrelevant here
[05:13] <apokryphos> Chipzz: what?
[05:13] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: The point is though that they are well documented and openly auditable.
[05:13] <PlasmaPain> like the nevia driver ?
[05:14] <heze> tiscan, a noob might not even realize he's running all sorts of services.
[05:14] <PlasmaPain> nvidia
[05:14] <pipeline> PlasmaPain, heze: I strongly recommend you comment out PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.  Secondly, don't run RPC services.  Third, don't expose your machine to the open internet.  Either run behind NAT or use a firewall.
[05:14] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, you never know muahhhhhhhahhhh
[05:14] <sabmoc> pipeline, no I mean, can you show me an example a linux worm? I havent heard of one yet.
[05:14] <Tiscan> heze: And how many windows uses disable all the services they don't need in windows?
[05:14] <pipeline> sabmoc: A "worm" is by definition harmless.
[05:14] <Chipzz> apokryphos: anyway, there are (allmost) no tarballs that contain Makefile's - Makefile's are generated from Makefile.in's by configure, so your point was moot anyway ;)
[05:14] <Chipzz> if you want to start nitpicking :P
[05:14] <pipeline> sabmoc: Scripted rootkits are much more common.
[05:14] <apokryphos> Chipzz: nearly as moot as yours.
[05:15] <PlasmaPain>  don't expose your machine to the open internet ?
[05:15] <Chipzz> no, mooter ;)
[05:15] <pipeline> sabmoc: They rarely propogate themselves because that's not the author's goal -- they want a slave machine for other purposes.
[05:15] <apokryphos> Chipzz: the concept was right, the terminology was wrong. Now tell me which point is "mooter". Ergh.
[05:15] <PlasmaPain> so i should use ubuntu scrictly ofline ?
[05:15] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Never expose any machine to the open internet, always have a firewall between it and the net.
[05:15] <GnuKemist> anywho, I wanted to know if there's anyone here from North NJ who'd be interested in joining a new MeetUp group a friend of mine started?
[05:15] <heze> tiscan, on the average, windows users aren't as skillful as linux users so you can't compare. with the same amount of experience on windows as on linux, i'd say the windows dude is able to disable the unsecure services.
[05:15] <Chipzz> apokryphos: same thing for my argument
[05:15] <pipeline> sabmoc: There's no reason to write a "worm" because there are so much more useful things to do with a Linux server sitting on a fat pipe.
[05:15] <DarthFrog> pipeline: If one need to enable remote root logins, more better would be to enable root logins without-password in sshd_config and do cryptographic authentication.
[05:15] <pipeline> DarthFrog: root logins are enabled by default.  I advise that they not be.
[05:15] <apokryphos> Chipzz: you're wrong; you misunderstood what firefox tarballs are like.
[05:16] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I was wrong in the wording, and so were you
[05:16] <PlasmaPain> so why isnt ubunto coming with a firewall to stat with if ppl are gona go online with it ?!!
[05:16] <GnuKemist> we pretty muc adopted Ubuntu for all the new comers
[05:16] <GnuKemist> much
[05:16] <DarthFrog> pipeline: I agree.
[05:16] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: Ubuntu has no services enabled by default.
[05:16] <sabmoc> pipeline, ok, all rootkit attacks are by definition scripted, but what im saying is it is much more common for someone to use the scripts to gain access to a single intranet or server instead of just releasing a worm into the wild.
[05:16] <heze> pipeline, root login is impossible by default on ubuntu since there's no password for root, no?
[05:16] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I know very well there are binary tarballs of firefox
[05:16] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: No services means no need for a firewall.
[05:16] <Tiscan> heze: So a skilled windows user will have transparancy into vulernabuilities to understand them and verify they are fixed?
[05:16] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, any Ubuntu service won't accept connections form the outside unless you manually tell it to.
[05:16] <pipeline> sabmoc: That's because worms are worthless.  It's much easier, much more useful, and much more effective to use portscanners and scripts.
[05:16] <DarthFrog> And if no services are enabled, there's nothing to attack>
[05:16] <Chipzz> the fact that he downloaded a binary or a source tarball of firefox changes exactly SHIT about the fact that he would be messing with his package manager
[05:17] <heze> tiscan, a skilled windows user will run no services open to the net, will disable activex and such m$ stuff and basically knows what executables/scripts he runs.
[05:17] <DarthFrog> i.e. secure by default.
[05:17] <madstop> heze, it's easy enough to create a password, though.  Couldn't a malicious script do that?
[05:17] <apokryphos> Chipzz: That makes your point worse. You knew they were binary tarballs, and you exploded at a guy because what he said would produce an "error message" from the terminal
[05:17] <pipeline> heze: It is impossible to secure a windows machine sufficiently to face the open internet.  Period.
[05:17] <heze> madstop, the script needs root priviledges to do that
[05:17] <sabmoc> pipeline, worms are useless against linux
[05:17] <sabmoc> but worms are not useless
[05:17] <PlasmaPain> xserver is running
[05:17] <pipeline> sabmoc: No, worms are useless ON linux.  There's a difference.
[05:17] <PlasmaPain> dhcpd is running
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> mozila is runing
[05:18] <Tiscan> heze: Agreed, so we are back at the begining.  Both can be secured, but only one lets you have visability into the code if you need/want it to verify what the issue was and how/if it was fixed.
[05:18] <pipeline> sabmoc: And you are indeed a fool if you neglect that difference.
[05:18] <typo> Where can I get a list of what's new in hoary?
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> irc is running
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> i think your full of craap
[05:18] <NJal> Who knows the Ubuntu installer?
[05:18] <Chipzz> apokryphos: he didn't mention if it was a binary or a source tarball
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> you dont need any services runing to get compromised
[05:18] <heze> tiscan, now that's a very very small part of the users that can peek into the code. but yeah for those it's better than closed source. for most it doesn't matter since they can't read C.
[05:18] <apokryphos> Chipzz: but you, dear friend, in your knowledge said you knew anyway.
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> you only need the programas that inter acto with the net to get compromised
[05:18] <carlos> helo
[05:19] <Bauhn> hey, i need a quick help.. i'm installing drivers for my usb-network card and it says: "Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]  :" is that right for ubuntu?
[05:19] <sabmoc> pipeline, but even so, lets say you automate a portscanner and feed the logs into a rootkit script, what will that get you?
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> carlos: get a life you idiot
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> carlos: get a life you idiot
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> carlos: get a life you idiot
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> A
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> A
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> A
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> A
[05:19] <PlasmaPain> A
[05:19] <apokryphos> PlasmaPain: stop flooding
[05:19] <apokryphos> ergh
[05:19] <DarthFrog> Good riddance to bad rubbish.
[05:19] <heze> one can only love the throttle feature of ircd :)
[05:20] <sabmoc> wow, whats with the surplus of morons these past two days DarthFrog ?
[05:20] <Tiscan> heze: its not just the user though, you can be assured a community (such as a disto creator) can have groups that audit the code independantly of its creator/maintainer.  You can't do that in windows.
[05:20] <carlos> my english is very bad, i  hope you understand
[05:20] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I welcome you to point me to the line where I did so
[05:20] <Tiscan> heze: And every user of Linux benifits from that.,
[05:20] <Bauhn> hey, i need a quick help.. i'm installing drivers for my usb-network card and it says: "Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]  :" is that right for ubuntu?
[05:20] <carlos> how for run firewire hard disk ..
[05:20] <carlos> ?
[05:20] <heze> tiscan, in linux/gnu environment, that's done by the community. in m$ it's done by the employers at ms
[05:20] <LinuxJones> sabmoc, Ubuntu is becoming more popular, thus the number of momo's will increase accordingly :)
[05:20] <Tiscan> heze: First rule of programming is you can't code review your own code.
[05:21] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: There's no shortage of them, for sure.
[05:21] <heze> tiscan, tell me about it :)
[05:21] <sabmoc> LinuxJones, the momo's are swarming
[05:21] <Chipzz> apokryphos: but you are really arguing beside the point
[05:21] <DarthFrog> carlos: Sorry, I don't know.
[05:21] <LinuxJones> sabmoc, that's what kick/ban is for :)
[05:21] <apokryphos> Chipzz: fact of the matter is, was your ejaculation (ahem) necessary?
[05:21] <GnuKemist> Bauhn, should be...
[05:22] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: But are there any ops in this channel?
[05:22] <sabmoc> LinuxJones, oh good, ill just ask our channel OP to.. oh wait.. crap!
[05:22] <LinuxJones> DarthFrog, yeah
[05:22] <Bauhn> GnuKemist, ok, so i should just press enter there and everything is right?
[05:22] <cvalstad> "
[05:22] <cvalstad> guys? Can I do this without being connected to internet? "sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package
[05:22] <carlos> ubuntu has firewire support ?
[05:22] <Tiscan> heze: So we have MSs word that their code is secure... and we have hundreds of thousands of poeople looking at Linux code.
[05:22] <GnuKemist> Bauhn, you didn't really give a lot of info on what you're doing
[05:22] <LinuxJones> DarthFrog, the devs all have ops
[05:22] <johnl> cvalstad: not normally.  apt will be looking out on the Internet for the repositories
[05:22] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Oh good.
[05:23] <Tiscan> heze: There is a strenth to the later model that I feel is important is all I am saying.
[05:23] <DarthFrog> Can anyone help Carlos, please?
[05:23] <GnuKemist> carlos, have you checked the Ubuntu wiki?
[05:23] <sabmoc> LinuxJones, well I wish one of them was actually on irc or paying attention yesterday we had some real winners spamming the channel with swear words or just jibberish.
[05:23] <carlos> yes <GnuKemist but not clear for me ..
[05:24] <GnuKemist> CarlK_, lemme check it out
[05:24] <cvalstad> john1, I want to compile the kernel on my computer cause I am going to install linux-wlan-ng for my usb wlan adapter. Do I have to do the command I stated? do you know what I need? I wont be connected in Ubuntu untill I get the ubs wlan adapter working.
[05:24] <johnl> carlos: firewire has been in the mainstream kernel for a long time, so my guess would be yes.
[05:24] <LinuxJones> sabmoc, just goto #ubuntu-devel and tell them, they will just opt up and kick+ban them
[05:24] <heze> tiscan, you still can't deny the amount of security advisories with linux/gnu software
[05:24] <heze> tiscan, maybe the linux kernel is secure, maybe not. even it has had some 2-3 local root exploits the past 6 months, no?
[05:25] <johnl> cvalstad, not sure about that sorry.  I think you'll need those packages to compile a new kernel package, but they *might* already be installed.  dunno.
[05:25] <heze> tiscan, so if you assume a linux user runs dist-upgrade every night, assume the windows user runs windows update every night too :>
[05:25] <Tiscan> heze: Why would one deny that?  Its actually a good thing.  Issues are found, fixed, reviewed and audited.  With MS we just get a note "this is fixed".
[05:25] <zenwhen> lol
[05:25] <zenwhen> what did i just stumble into
[05:25] <cvalstad> john1, do you know where I can find them, so I can bring them over to ubuntu with a usb stick?
[05:26] <SeeleyUSMC> Why does it have to be such a pain to get wireless internet working?  Shouldn't it just be a standard?
[05:26] <heze> tiscan, still, the amount of exploits isn't that different between the two OSes
[05:26] <sabmoc> heze, yes, but a local root exploit is not so bad
[05:26] <heze> sabmoc, well remote root exploit needs some service which we're not running :>
[05:26] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It is a standard, for the most part.  But it's still early days.
[05:26] <Tiscan> heze: The difference is I am placing my trust into that of a community, and if I wanted I could verify things myself.  in the MS case you are trusting a single source, and you couldn't verify anything if you wanted.
[05:26] <sabmoc> heze, because if someone has local access on your computer there are at least 100 other ways they can crash the server.
[05:26] <carlos> i run gscanbus and say this : couldn't get handle: No such file or directory
[05:26] <carlos> This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that
[05:26] <carlos> you haven't loaded the raw1394 module.
[05:26] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, complain to your card manufacturer that you want Linux support
[05:27] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What chipset does your wireless card use?
[05:27] <Tiscan> heze: I beg to differ, historically MS has many more issues & expliots.
[05:27] <heze> sabmoc, you might get local access by remote local user compromise
[05:27] <johnl> cvalstad: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[05:27] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Atheros AR5212
[05:27] <heze> tiscan, lets stick to the day :)
[05:27] <johnl> cvalstad: bit tricky to find them all by hand, but I guess you have no choice
[05:27] <sabmoc> heze remote local user?
[05:27] <SeeleyUSMC> Its supposed to work "out of the box"
[05:27] <heze> tiscan, i agree windows sucked in the 90's :>
[05:27] <sabmoc> heze I dont follow that logic
[05:27] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: And what kernel are you running?  The atheros is supported in Ubuntu, I use it myself.
[05:27] <heze> sabmoc, your favourite user running a vulnerable php script
[05:28] <heze> remotelly exploitable vulnerability that grants the exploiter local user priviledges
[05:28] <carlos> how to get raw1394 support in the kernel?
[05:28] <geneo93>   sucks even more now
[05:28] <sabmoc> heze, yes but if the hacker is a local user, then as I said, you are already screwed
[05:28] <johnl> who cares if linux is more secure than windows.  windows is no ISO milestone of security.
[05:28] <heze> sabmoc, you should not be.
[05:29] <johnl> "my OS is 7.8 microsoft windows 98s more secure than yours"
[05:29] <heze> that's the whole point in linux/gnu when compared to windows where the user is most of the time the administrator
[05:29] <LinuxJones> carlos, you need to use modprobe to load the module
[05:29] <DarthFrog> johnl:  We don't compare ourselves to Windows.  We are trying to make the best OS possible.
[05:29] <Tiscan> heze: Yet XP SP2 is vulnerable to the land attack from the 90s
[05:29] <ephemeral> is Ubuntu moving to KDE by default?
[05:29] <Tiscan> heze: lol
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I don't know.  Whatever one is used for the live cd version of Hoary.  I tried to boot my install cd for hoary that i just downloaded thismorning, but the cd doesn't boot up properly.  I get a black screen with a white bar...
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: So now I'm downloading the install version of Warty
[05:29] <LinuxJones> carlos, sudo modprobe raw1394
[05:29] <johnl> DarthFrog, sounds like heze and sabmoc are confused
[05:29] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You either have a bad burn or a bad download.
[05:30] <carlos> <LinuxJones oks
[05:30] <sabmoc> johnl, cut me some slack I just woke up
[05:30] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Should I use Warty since its more stable anyway?
[05:30] <johnl> samiam, heh :)
[05:30] <heze> tiscan, got a link to that land vulnerability? i read it too the other day can't recall the seriousness.
[05:30] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your call.  Most of us are using Hoary.  It's very good.
[05:30] <madstop> ok, I'm now running kubuntu.  It's gorgeous!  (except for horrible fonts)  They did a great job, it looks like so far.
[05:30] <Tiscan> heze: One moment
[05:31] <apokryphos> madstop: glad it's working well :)
[05:31] <SeeleyUSMC> Guess I'll retry Hoary
[05:31] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  have him check the md5sum
[05:31] <samiam> hey all
[05:31] <apokryphos> madstop: you'll wanna turn on anti-aliasing fonts
[05:31] <stianh> eek... my synaptic is sort of broken
[05:31] <LinuxJones> madstop, maybe you have to enable ant-aliasing ?
[05:31] <sabmoc> johnl, care to cure my confusion?
[05:32] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Once you get Ubuntu installed, enable universe and mulitverse as repositories and install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel.  That'll give you the madwifi driver for your Atheros card.  The interface will be called ath0 and will be configurable using the Ubuntu network tooll.
[05:32] <ignus> can anyone tell me what sound system ubuntu uses?
[05:32] <Tiscan> heze: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-03-06
[05:32] <ephemeral> is Ubuntu moving to KDE by default?
[05:32] <sabmoc> ephemeral, no
[05:32] <DarthFrog> ignus: ALSA
[05:32] <johnl> sabmoc:  too many threads to follow.  some people seemed to be battling Linux security vs. Windows security.  I didn't see the point.
[05:32] <stianh> I select a a package (nautilus) to upgrade, and then I get a list of other things that will be upgraded, and it crashes. And when I use apt-get upgrade nautilus, it wants to install /upgrade over 300MB of stuff.. :/
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: The problem here is that my only connection to the net is wireless...
[05:32] <DarthFrog> Ephemeral: Unfortunately,no
[05:32] <madstop> heh heh, apokryphos -- too early for me to tell how it works, but it's the first kde desktop that I haven't found horribly cutesly and annoying looking!  Ah yes, anti-aliasing. thanks.
[05:32] <ignus> DarthFrog, always alsa??
[05:32] <ephemeral> sabmoc: why on earth does Hoary only come with KDE them?
[05:32] <carlos> <LinuxJones i have done modprobe raw1294 and anything change ..gscanbus say the same
[05:32] <Tiscan> heze: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/392354
[05:32] <heze> ahh that one
[05:33] <DarthFrog> ignus: Well, I suppose you could put OSS on if you were determined. :-)
[05:33] <heze> tiscan, that's bad i gotta admit :P
[05:33] <apokryphos> madstop: cool :). Any other questions you can ask in #kubuntu ;)
[05:33] <heze> tiscan, fortunately a sane firewall doesn't allow that.
[05:33] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you check the md5sum of your Hoary ISO download?
[05:33] <carlos> its posible not raw1394 in kernel ?
[05:33] <sabmoc> johnl, no i wasnt paying attention to that thread, I was just saying that local root exploits are bad but not so bad, cause if a hacker has local access to a machine your screwed already.
[05:33] <LinuxJones> carlos, modprobe -l | grep 1394 will give you a few different modules to choose from
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I dont even know what you are talking about
[05:33] <ephemeral> sabmoc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso   this came with KDE only... no GNOME
[05:33] <Tiscan> heze: Correct, but this vulerability should simply not exist.  It has already been fixed once.
[05:33] <johnl> sabmoc, as sorry.  I think it's Tiscan now.  I should keep my nose out.
[05:33] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[05:34] <madstop> heh heh, maybe this channel should be changed to "gnubuntu", apokryphos ... ;-)
[05:34] <ignus> DarthFrog, im trying to get xmms and vlc working but there is no sound. gnome makes its noises so the kernel is set up right. any idea what might be wrong?
[05:34] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Md5sum is a checksum to verify that you downloaded a good ISO.
[05:34] <sabmoc> johnl yeah shup you face d00d
[05:34] <heze> tiscan, yup, can't say they do their stuff that fast at m$.
[05:34] <apokryphos> madstop: :P
[05:34] <sabmoc> johnl, ;)
[05:34] <johnl> :)
[05:34] <ephemeral> sabmoc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso   this came with KDE only... no GNOME  << can someone explain the logic?
[05:34] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: How would I do that in windows?
[05:34] <DarthFrog> ignus: Not off the top of my head, sorry.  Check the mixer?
[05:34] <madstop> just wish I could get the menu by using the "windows logo" key, though, like I used to...
[05:35] <sabmoc> ephemeral, hmm weird, i dont know what to say about that
[05:35] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I've spent a lot of effort avoiding learning how to do things in Windows. :-)
[05:35] <Tiscan> heze: Speed isn't what I am pointing out, its that no one other then MS could audit the code to catch this.
[05:35] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[05:35] <apokryphos> madstop: you can :)
[05:35] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Google is.
[05:35] <carlos> Linux Jones this is the result :
[05:35] <carlos>  modprobe -l | grep 1394
[05:35] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, lol
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/pcilynx.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ohci1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ieee1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/eth1394.ko
[05:35] <sabmoc> gah!!!
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/dv1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/cmp.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/amdtp.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/video1394.ko
[05:35] <sabmoc> my freaking eyes!!
[05:35] <carlos> sorry
[05:35] <ignus> DarthFrog, yeah the mixer is set fine.. keeps telling me it cant find /dev/dsp, which is there.. any ideas?
[05:35] <Tiscan> Anyway, regardless.  Nothing is secure unless you make it so.  I have to be off to work now. :)
[05:35] <sabmoc> carlos, dont ever do that again
[05:36] <DarthFrog> carlos: Please use pastebin.com for that kind of stuff.
[05:36] <sabmoc> carlos, go to channel #flood to do stuff like that if you want to show someone some output
[05:36] <heze> tiscan, why do you see it necessary for the audit party not be in the payrolls of microsoft? they do audit their code, everyone does. this land thingie is just an example of a failed audit since the auditters are humas too, after all.
[05:36] <Fl-i-nT> hi
[05:36] <carlos> sorry sorry
[05:36] <madstop> apokryphos, don't know how, used to be kde default (when I installed from universe before or whatever, pre-kubuntu warty) Never mind, I'll google it -- er koogle it...
[05:36] <DarthFrog> carlos: Don't worry about it. :-)  It happens.
[05:37] <sabmoc> but use #flood next time
[05:37] <apokryphos> madstop: heh. If you hold on for a sec, I'll find the exact command to put as a shortcut.
[05:37] <apokryphos> madstop: capabilities of DCOP are unlimited :)
[05:37] <carlos> oks
[05:37] <apokryphos> madstop: You don't even need DCOP for this one :)
[05:37] <Fl-i-nT> Netwrok Question: why is it when i try to print it says something along the lines of NT_ERROR_PRINT
[05:37] <stianh> Is it possible to get a list of url's for the various files that will be downloaded when perfoing an apt-get command? (like upgrade)
[05:37] <stianh> or at least a list of complete filenames?
[05:37] <DarthFrog> ignus: Are you logged in as the sudo-enabled user?
[05:37] <TQuid> Hola.
[05:38] <spiral> hi back
[05:38] <apokryphos> madstop: kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:38] <TQuid> Does ubuntu's gnome have some standard way of managing fonts?  I got a bit spoiled with Fedora/KDE's graphical font manager.
[05:38] <madstop> thank you thank you apokryphos !  great people in ubuntu land
[05:38] <TQuid> (Failing that, figuring out how to get the hints out of a ttf file would be adequate.)
[05:38] <sabmoc> heze even though they audit code, the whole windows system was based on unsound security principals because when it was first created security was not a major issue, and they never adapted.
[05:38] <apokryphos> madstop: then scroll down to Panel, and change the shortcut for Popup Launch menu.
[05:38] <nemo_> can anyone tell me how to get mount to deal with Apple_HFS partitions?
[05:38] <sig> TQuid: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:38] <DarthFrog> TQuid: Don't know about Gnome, but KDE does.
[05:38] <meepmeep> hi :)
[05:39] <sabmoc> hello
[05:39] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, I'm helping out Bauhn and he wants to compile usb wireless support...  can we only install the headers instead of compiling a new kernel?
[05:39] <JRlinux> Just burned Kubuntu this morning and now booting it live...
[05:39] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Yes.
[05:39] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, thanx
[05:39] <TQuid> sig:  d'oh!  You caught me, I came here before googling.  I am shamed.
[05:39] <ignus> DarthFrog, yeah man i am.
[05:39] <meepmeep> if i try to update/upgrade my warty into hoary, all things will be automatically reconfigure ? (like X.org etc.)
[05:40] <kapputu> how much diskspace does Ubuntu occupy?
[05:40] <heze> sabmoc, i'm just counting the amount of exploits on windows. the situation is so much better than the 98 ages.
[05:40] <DarthFrog> ignus: What sound app are you using?
[05:40] <TQuid> nemo_, I expect you'd need to add the kernel module for that.
[05:40] <JRlinux> Konversation is a new IRC client to me...
[05:40] <ignus> how do u mean app?
[05:40] <kapputu> it seems to be taking up like 5Gig
[05:40] <ignus> DarthFrog, im trying to get vlc working if thats what you mean
[05:40] <nemo_> TQuid, ah.. can the syntaptic package manager do that?
[05:40] <apokryphos> madstop: I see that Win-key is now used as an alternate to Ctrl/Alt in KDE. That means that you'll have to make the shortcut like Win+<somekey> I think. :|
[05:40] <madstop> apokryphos, the panel popup launch won't let me set just the win logo key
[05:40] <madstop> heh heh,
[05:41] <TQuid> nemo_:  hm, no, I don't think so.  Let me check something here.
[05:41] <DarthFrog> ignus: What type of files?  You need gstreamer0.8-mad installed to play MP3s.
[05:41] <sabmoc> heze depends how you loot at it, personally I think its getting worse because worms and viruses are becoming more sophisticated and many people still run 98 or ME
[05:41] <TQuid> kapputu:  I'm taking up 2 G for /usr, about 1 G for /var, and a hundred meg for / and /boot together.
[05:41] <ignus> its an avi
[05:41] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all
[05:41] <apokryphos> madstop: it's kind of annoying, but I can see why they would do that.
[05:41] <madstop> thanks for trying apok! I'll deal!
[05:41] <jalal_ubuntu> how to change the splash screen  ?
[05:41] <kapputu> TQuid: I have been updating a lot
[05:41] <kapputu> any idea on how to free up space?
[05:42] <heze> sabmoc, while the linux rootkits aren't?
[05:42] <geneo93> madstop:  my windows key brings up menu
[05:42] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, I'm used to always compiling the kernel from scratch on Gentoo...  so by installing the headers I can compile other 3rd party apps (e.g. ndiswrapper) w/o messing with the kernel?
[05:42] <apokryphos> geneo93: on kde?
[05:42] <ignus> DarthFrog, if i install that do you think if will fix it?
[05:42] <thenuke> kapputu: apt-get autoclean might help a bit
[05:42] <geneo93> yes
[05:42] <sabmoc> heze thats a whole different ball game
[05:42] <madstop> geneo93, it used to for me too, pre-kubuntu
[05:42] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: ndiswrapper is already available in Ubuntu.  But, yes.
[05:42] <apokryphos> geneo93: you using 3.4?
[05:42] <heze> sabmoc, oh k. why? :)
[05:42] <DarthFrog> ignus: Don't know.
[05:42] <geneo93> yes
[05:43] <TQuid> kapputu:  not offhand, sorry--sounds like you're pretty cramped!
[05:43] <lawman> hi.  just installed ubuntu 5.04 on laptop.  screen goes black on after rebooting.  pressed ctl-alt-f2 to get to console and can login no problem.  at prompt now, and don't know how to get X started from here.  any idea what to do.  be gentle i'm a complete newbie.  (ps.  all other distro's work on this laptop fine)
[05:43] <TQuid> nemo_, looks like there's an hfs kernel module in the default kernel.
[05:43] <apokryphos> geneo93: last question: a recent version (when, roughly)?
[05:43] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, so on a new install would I have to get the headers and then apt-get ndiswrapper?  sorry for repeating the same question but want to make it clear to myself
[05:43] <TQuid> Have you tried just "mount -t hfs blah blahblah"?
[05:43] <madstop> I'm really liking these kde menus and settings dialogs so far.
[05:43] <geneo93> 3 days ago
[05:43] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Yes.  Ndiswrapper might be installed by default, though.
[05:43] <nemo_> TQuid, this is hfs+ though.. yeah, I can mount it but you get the really, really empty disk with a readme explaining I need a new MacOS :-/
[05:44] <sabmoc> heze, it just is, i dont want to get into it again.
[05:44] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, cool beans... definitely easier than rolling up your sleeves and doing all the compilation
[05:44] <madstop> beats the hell out of gconfig, at least for newbies
[05:44] <lawman> hi.  just installed ubuntu 5.04 on laptop.  screen goes black on after rebooting.  pressed ctl-alt-f2 to get to console and can login no problem.  at prompt now, and don't know how to get X started from here.  any idea what to do.  be gentle i'm a complete newbie.  (ps.  all other distro's work on this laptop fine)
[05:45] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Agreed! :-)
[05:45] <sabmoc> madstop, some people like kde, some like gnome. competition on the desktop is a good thing.
[05:45] <geneo93> lawman:  try startx
[05:46] <madstop> apok, one fly in the ointment for me probably-- I'll bet that kicker won't work as well in gnome for me as it used to.  That's the main reason I wanted kde, just to use kicker and kicker applets as an extra "panel" in gnome.
[05:46] <lawman> says server is already active for display 0.
[05:46] <lawman> xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:46] <madstop> I think the new kde pop-ups and various other stuff will not play happy with gnome anymore.  Gonna try anyway
[05:46] <lawman> xinit: unable to connect to X server
[05:47] <DarthFrog> lawman: Press ALT-F7
[05:47] <lawman> pressed.  screen goes black again
[05:47] <heze> lawman, "sudo killall gdm" first if you wanna manually startx
[05:47] <DarthFrog> lawman: Reboot.
[05:47] <madstop> ubuntuizing kde like this tips the balance in kde's favor for me, apokryphos ; too many annoyances with nautilus and the gnome panels
[05:47] <lawman> ok.  will do and will get back to you in a while.
[05:47] <nemo_> TQuid, libhfsp0 is installed according to the package manager, I'll try looking around a bit more later
[05:48] <apokryphos> madstop: Well, konqueror does happen to be one of my very favourite progs of all time. :)
[05:48] <DarthFrog> madstop: Having KDE available for Ubuntu was the thing that did it for me, too.
[05:48] <nemo_> TQuid, thanks for the pointer anyway :-)
[05:48] <heze> lawman, wait a tic?
[05:49] <TQuid> nemo_, ah, OK, not familiar with hfs+, sorry.
[05:49] <madstop> really beautiful design choices, from what I see so far.
[05:49] <heze> lawman, did you try to shuffle the signal output thingie on your laptop, just to make sure the signal isn't only going out on your external vga connector?
[05:49] <nemo_> TQuid, no matter, thanks for trying :-)
[05:49] <SmokingFire> whats the mp3 package called again?
[05:49] <GnuKemist> heze, good point
[05:49] <GnuKemist> heze, start simple  ;)
[05:49] <sabmoc> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[05:49] <TQuid> Hm, nautilus had built-in font mgt. on kde/fedora, but I'm not seeing the same tools here.
[05:50] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell SmokingFire uburestricted
[05:50] <Pyre> SmokingFire: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <heze> gnukemist, just came to me since i get my gdm screen on the "wrong" monitor on my 2 adapter setup..
[05:50] <codyman> how do you access the restricted formats apt depositories for amd64 kubuntu?
[05:50] <apokryphos> codyman: join #kubuntu
[05:50] <SmokingFire> apokryphos, Pyre thanks
[05:50] <SmokingFire> pyre is a bot?
[05:51] <GnuKemist> heze, I remember I spent a few hours once helping someone get their sound working only to find out the guy had muted it by mistake
[05:51] <madstop> heh, kubuntu even managed to make the workspace switcher look cool; always hated the way it looked in kde before
[05:51] <apokryphos> madstop: there have been some great GUI advances in 3.4, yup.
[05:51] <heze> gnukemist, well i often find myself going thru everything but the network cables when some host doesn't respond :P
[05:51] <GnuKemist> guys, Bauhn says he doesn't remember choosing a password for root during install
[05:52] <apokryphos> SmokingFire: yes
[05:52] <GnuKemist> is it possible?
[05:52] <SmokingFire> ok
[05:52] <madstop> (gnome's desktop switcher, or pager or whatever it's called is still better-- you can drag apps from one workspace to another, for example)
[05:52] <heze> hoary install doesn't ask for a root password
[05:52] <GnuKemist> hummm
[05:52] <heze> there is no root password unless explicitly set with passwd
[05:52] <GnuKemist> should he sudo passwd then?
[05:52] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell heze ubusudo
[05:52] <Pyre> heze: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:52] <geneo93> Bauhn:  use sudo
[05:52] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:53] <heze> gnukemist, yeah
[05:53] <GnuKemist> thanx guys
[05:53] <heze> apokryphos, nice buddy you got there :)
[05:53] <xerox> How to mount ntfs volumes read-write in ubuntu?
[05:53] <kosmos> to set a pw, just "sudo su" passwd
[05:53] <geneo93> GnuKemist:  there is no root passwd
[05:53] <apokryphos> heze: he's very... submissive. ;)
[05:53] <heze> xerox, that's not trivial. the kernel driver doesn't support write-mode.
[05:53] <GnuKemist> geneo93, thanks
[05:54] <heze> there is no spoon :)
[05:54] <xerox> heze: I tought it does.. I did it in the past.
[05:54] <heze> xerox, it's very very dangerous to enable it
[05:54] <xerox> heze: btw, there also is "ntfs-resize" during the installation process of ubuntu! I tought it wasn't dangerous anymore.
[05:55] <xerox> I resized an ntfs volume during the installation.
[05:55] <heze> xerox, oh, that sounds something new to me :)
[05:55] <lawman> hi all.  installed ubuntu 5.04.  after booting, screen goes black but on with no sound.  pressed ctl-alt-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  startx.  screen goes black and off completely.  but can hear logging in music.  what to do for a complete newbie?
[05:55] <xerox> Anyone knows?
[05:56] <heze> lawman, the signal wasn't going out on your external connector?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> lawman, heze suggested you check your laptop's output signal
[05:56] <lawman> it's a laptop
[05:56] <apokryphos> lawman: you might want to try reconfiguring your x
[05:56] <lawman> how do i do that?
[05:56] <heze> it has an external vga connector, no?
[05:56] <lawman> yes
[05:56] <apokryphos> lawman: hoary or warty?
[05:56] <heze> dunno, on my laptop it's Fn+F5
[05:56] <lawman> but i'm using built in screen
[05:56] <lawman> hoary
[05:56] <apokryphos> lawman: or rather, xfree or xorg
[05:57] <apokryphos> lawman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. most probably
[05:57] <lawman> ok.  how do i get back to console from here?
[05:57] <heze> cltr+alt+backspace to kill X
[05:57] <apokryphos> lawman: where are you? Irssi?
[05:57] <lawman> ok. i did ctl-alt-f1
[05:57] <apokryphos> yup
[05:57] <lawman> found the problem guys.  let me read it to you.
[05:57] <madstop> omg, these kubuntu folks read my mind! -- pardon me while I gasp in admiration-- don't worry, I'll stop in a minute...
[05:58] <lawman> fatal: module via not found
[05:58] <lawman> [drm]  failed to load kernel module 'via'
[05:58] <lawman> (ee) via(0): [dri]  driscreeninit failed.  disabling dri.
[05:58] <GnuKemist> aha
[05:59] <GnuKemist> lawman, you need to install ATI stuff  (someone correct me here if I'm wrong)
[05:59] <DarthFrog> madstop: What's flabbering your gasters now?
[05:59] <lawman> any idea?  by the way, i'm not getting a proper prompt now at the console.
[05:59] <lawman> what's ati.  how do i do that?
[06:00] <GnuKemist> lawman, do you have an ATI video card?
[06:00] <GnuKemist> oh
[06:00] <GnuKemist> nevermind
[06:00] <GnuKemist> nevermind
[06:00] <lawman> not sure?  i think it's via??
[06:00] <GnuKemist> you said via
[06:00] <GnuKemist> I read it as ati
[06:00] <GnuKemist> duhhhh
[06:00] <heze> kemist, easy on your liquids there ;)
[06:00] <lawman> do i panic?
[06:00] <lawman> or is it easy?
[06:00] <GnuKemist> heze, high octane coffee
[06:00] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:00] <heze> lol
[06:01] <madstop> DarthFrog, don't ask, I don't want to look like an idiot, singing a love serenade to a desktop manager!
[06:01] <fbcosta> I got a strange problem on mounting a fat32 partition... I can mount the partition, and I can even see the folders on the gnome, but i can't open them, and in the terminal, i got permission denied. Could someone help?
[06:01] <GnuKemist> lawman, try to reconfigure your X with Mesa for now
[06:01] <lawman> ok.  how?  i'm a wintroll.
[06:01] <apokryphos> lawman: same command above
[06:01] <madstop> kubuntu rules.  Gnome, sorry, it was nice while it lasted...
[06:02] <lawman> typed in 'mesa' but nothing happening.  i think the prompt is gone
[06:02] <apokryphos> madstop: now, now. No trolling ;). Many gnome-users here.
[06:02] <lawman> since i did ctl-alt-f1
[06:02] <apokryphos> lawman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:02] <GnuKemist> lawmn, you have to run that command above
[06:02] <lawman> ok. will try
[06:02] <GnuKemist> then configure X
[06:02] <lawman> how do i get the prompt back?
[06:02] <GnuKemist> choose appropriate video driver
[06:02] <madstop> heh, apokryphos -- I like gnome too; just want a transporter accident to merge kde and gnome
[06:03] <madstop> would have liked to have done that with some girlfriends, too
[06:03] <apokryphos> lawman: you can switch bitween windows using Ctrl + Alt + F1 I think...
[06:03] <apokryphos> *sessions
[06:03] <lawman> ok.  doing that thanks.
[06:03] <madstop> with my luck, though, I'd end up with "the fly"
[06:03] <apokryphos> madstop: hehe
[06:03] <fbcosta> I got a strange problem on mounting a fat32 partition... I can mount the partition, and I can even see the folders on the gnome, but i can't open them, and in the terminal, i got permission denied. Could someone help?
[06:04] <Echylo> sudo?
[06:04] <Echylo> ow
[06:04] <GnuKemist> guys, Bauhn doesn't get more than one choice when apt-cache search kernel-headers
[06:04] <lawman> ok.  says select x server driver.  it's already on via.  should i just try all the others?  then do xstart?
[06:04] <GnuKemist> he got linux-kernel-headers
[06:04] <GnuKemist> that's all
[06:05] <GnuKemist> lawman, it's weird
[06:05] <dabi> hmm after installing lm_sensors my internal speaker beeps after about every 30 min :S why?
[06:05] <geneo93> GnuKemist:  does he have all the repositories enabled
[06:05] <lawman> use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[06:05] <AMIGrAve> is it safe to blacklist all module that are "Used by" 0 in lsmod output ?
[06:05] <GnuKemist> lawman, it is possible it is not compiled as a module?
[06:05] <madstop> I can report that kubuntu is running a lot faster on my amd64 hoary than gnome did
[06:05] <GnuKemist> geneo93, not sure...  he said he just installed it
[06:05] <apokryphos> lawman: you don't know whether you're using nvidia or ATI...?
[06:06] <lawman> no?  sorry.  newbie.
[06:06] <TQuid> BRB.
[06:06] <madstop> fbcosta, is this a windows or a linux partition?
[06:06] <lawman> i could go to the bios and check?
[06:06] <apokryphos> lawman: one sec
[06:06] <lawman> or if there is a command?
[06:06] <Echylo> feck
[06:06] <Echylo> 239 updates
[06:06] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, apparently he's using via mobo
[06:06] <fbcosta> windows
[06:06] <apokryphos> lawman: there is; I think it's lspci
[06:06] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: what's that?
[06:06] <GnuKemist> the VIA chipset
[06:07] <geneo93> GnuKemist:  there are some resticted ones
[06:07] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, with its integrated video
[06:07] <apokryphos> oh
[06:07] <geneo93> he nedds them
[06:07] <albeiro> hello
[06:07] <lawman> cool.  did lspci = via technologies.
[06:07] <GnuKemist> geneo93, so you think he should edit his apt.list?
[06:07] <apokryphos> lawman: better leave it on what it's on, then.
[06:07] <lawman> so how do get to see the x screen?
[06:07] <warty> &ljh
[06:07] <lawman> it's always black
[06:07] <GnuKemist> lawmn post the error message again?
[06:08] <apokryphos> lawman: have you reconfigured it?
[06:08] <albeiro> do you guys know how could i get cisco aironet working with linux ? which kernel options should i check on ?
[06:08] <warty> hi, cpould someborz read this message_
[06:08] <albeiro> with linux on ppc
[06:08] <codyman> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu... i'm trying to compile a program from source... what c compiler package(s) do i need
[06:08] <lawman> ok. one sec
[06:08] <lawman> hi all.  installed ubuntu 5.04.  after booting, screen goes black but on with no sound.  pressed ctl-alt-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  startx.  screen goes black and off completely.  but can hear logging in music.  what to do for a complete newbie?
[06:08] <geneo93> well synaptic just tick all the repsitories
[06:08] <apokryphos> codyman: build-essential
[06:08] <GnuKemist> geneo93, gotcha
[06:08] <codyman> gracias
[06:09] <GnuKemist> lawman, the error related to not being able to load something?
[06:09] <heze> 18:58:03 < lawman> fatal: module via not found
[06:09] <apokryphos> lawman: did you say you did the whole reconfiguration?
[06:09] <GnuKemist> that one
[06:09] <snk00sj> when i do "mount" i get listed 2 autofs mounts of crashed autofs sessions
[06:09] <heze> try sudo modprobe via ? :)
[06:09] <lawman> ???
[06:09] <snk00sj> can anyone help me to get these out ?
[06:09] <lawman> shall i tell you the error again
[06:10] <lawman> fatal: module via not found
[06:10] <GnuKemist> lawman, it sounds like the module (via-something) wasn't compiled as module?
[06:10] <GnuKemist> hang on
[06:10] <codyman> ok now i'm trying to compile a program and it says; "can't find x includes"
[06:10] <GnuKemist> I have an old kernel config with the module name
[06:10] <snk00sj_> hi
[06:10] <albeiro> hm, any ppc based livecd with ubuntu in the wild ?
[06:10] <apokryphos> codyman: not sure, but most probably you need x dev files
[06:10] <codyman> apokryphos: ok thanks
[06:11] <Echylo> is there a tank wars / scorched earth game for linux?
[06:11] <DarthFrog> lawman: That the X configuration didn't work upon a fresh install is possibly a bug.  Please report it.
[06:11] <codyman> apokryphos: what dev file would that be?
[06:11] <kent> madstop,  why should that break gnome?
[06:11] <lawman> oh.  so no current workaround?
[06:12] <GnuKemist> lawman, hang on
[06:12] <snk00sj> can anyone please help me with my problem ? or at least tell me you don't know ?
[06:12] <snk00sj> i have been asking the same question the whole afternoon now
[06:12] <lawman> all other distros work fine.  ok kemist.  i've just rebooted and will wait for you to show your magic.
[06:12] <DarthFrog> lawman: Don't know.
[06:12] <geneo93> lawman:  thats live cd or install
[06:12] <kent> snk00sj,  dont ask to ask, just ask.
[06:12] <lawman> install dvd
[06:12] <apokryphos> codyman: uno momento
[06:12] <snk00sj> i did several times kent, everyone is busy
[06:13] <DarthFrog> lawman: If you still have another distro installed, you could try coping the config file from that install into Ubuntu.
[06:13] <kent> snk00sj, i not busy, but im not sure i can help you.. but go ahead and ask.
[06:13] <madstop> kent, because I'm an idiot, and I assume breakage when I don't immediately get what I want! ;-)
[06:13] <snk00sj> i just need some help getting my windows partitions mounted, i am using as much of google as i can, but doesn't advance
[06:13] <madstop> 'bye for now
[06:13] <lawman> old distro gone now.  don't even know what a config file is??
[06:13] <apokryphos> codyman: x-dev :)
[06:13] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  but that wont give him the module
[06:13] <kent> snk00sj, have you looked at the information that is on the ubuntu wiki? It has help on mounting the ntfs-partition.
[06:14] <codyman> apokryphos: thanks
[06:14] <DarthFrog> snk00sj:  As root: "mount /dev/(windows partition) (mount point)
[06:14] <apokryphos> codyman: whoops, don't think that's it.
[06:14] <codyman> o
[06:14] <apokryphos> codyman: libx11-dev
[06:14] <kent> DarthFrog, that wont work for ntfs-drives.
[06:14] <lawman> ok.  rebooted.  alt-ctl-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  waiting on what do next.
[06:14] <apokryphos> codyman: well, one of them. :D
[06:14] <heze> kent, it will for read only
[06:14] <geneo93> lawman:  can you do a apt-get update
[06:14] <GnuKemist> lawman, do lsmod |grep via
[06:14] <lawman> not connected to internet
[06:14] <DarthFrog> geneo93: if there's a module missing, then it's definitley a bug.
[06:14] <codyman> apok: x11-dev is installing
[06:14] <lawman> does it matter?
[06:14] <snk00sj> i'll check it out right now
[06:15] <GnuKemist> lawman, not at the moment
[06:15] <snk00sj> manually i can mount the partition, thats the strange thing
[06:15] <lawman> ok.  did lsmod ... now what?
[06:15] <DarthFrog> kent: Sure it will.  Has worked for me many times in the past.  He might need to use the " -t nfts" switch.
[06:15] <snk00sj> if u use autofs, it doesn't work
[06:15] <GnuKemist> did you grep via?
[06:15] <GnuKemist> lawman, did you get any output
[06:15] <lawman> i got a list of stuff on screen
[06:15] <DarthFrog> snk00sj: Is it in /etc/fstab?
[06:15] <snk00sj> no its in /etc/auto.vol
[06:16] <GnuKemist> lawman, can u tell me what?
[06:16] <snk00sj> i added a line in /etc/auto.master
[06:16] <lawman> ok. long list, but will start
[06:16] <codyman> apokryphos: ok now see if you can get this one... "checking for libz: not found"
[06:16] <lawman> via_rhine 21508 0
[06:16] <snk00sj> but i think in some previous attempts i crashed autofs, and now there are some pid's running that i cannot close
[06:16] <DarthFrog> snk00sj: If you want it mounted on boot, put it in /etc/fstab.
[06:16] <kent> DarthFrog, snk00sj   there is information on the wiki on how to mount an ntfs  automaticly with /etc/fstab.  Read that, it should work great.
[06:16] <lawman> mii 4992 1 via_rhine
[06:16] <stianh> I just figured out how to get the url's for the files which will be downloaded and installed when I do apt-get dist-upgrade. The plan is to go to a friend who has broadband and download the files there and burn them to a cd. But where can I place them so that apt finds them when I'm going to do the install?
[06:16] <GnuKemist> lawman, k
[06:16] <snk00sj> kent, i am doing that right now :)
[06:17] <lawman> then it's got some snd... and gmaeport listings, then.
[06:17] <lawman> i2c_viapro 7500 0
[06:17] <snk00sj> but because i was working on it whole afternoon, i really want to know howto kill these pid's
[06:17] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:17] <lawman> i2c_core 22416 1 i2c_viapro
[06:17] <DarthFrog> stianh: /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:17] <lawman> via_ircc 30356 0
[06:17] <stianh> DarthFrog, thanks :)
[06:17] <lawman> irda 192704 1 via_ircc
[06:17] <lawman> via_agp 9408 1
[06:18] <lawman> agpgart 33704 1 via_agp
[06:18] <GnuKemist> lawman,  do the x reconfiguration and this time really look at the video driver options
[06:18] <lawman> via82cxxx 13852 1
[06:18] <lawman> ide_core ..... smoe stuff.
[06:18] <madstop> cool, kicker opens in gnome with only one error message, unlike before, where I got a whole screen... excellent
[06:18] <apokryphos> codyman: I can't say that I know off the top of my head; Google'll probably have the answer.
[06:18] <lawman> ok, will do the x reconfig again. one sec
[06:18] <apokryphos> codyman: though, could you check if you have zlib1g and zlib1g-dev?
[06:19] <lawman> shall i select via?
[06:19] <heze> gnukemist, he could try to manually edit xorg.conf and try some other driver, say vesa?
[06:19] <lawman> or vesa
[06:19] <lawman> or vga
[06:19] <heze> i'm a bit busy to walk thru editing the file
[06:19] <GnuKemist> heze, yes
[06:19] <heze> lawman, try vesa
[06:19] <lawman> ok
[06:19] <GnuKemist> heze, vesa will definitely give him X
[06:19] <madstop> man, this kde stuff is fast, even running within gnome!
[06:20] <heze> gnukemist, umm yeah well worth checking :>
[06:20] <lawman> now.  asked for identifier for video card.  already filled in via ... press ok?
[06:20] <codyman> apokryphos: ahh once again.. didn't have the dev version ;-)
[06:20] <apokryphos> :)
[06:20] <GnuKemist> lawman, nope
[06:20] <lawman> what shall i put in identifier string?
[06:20] <gratefulfrog> anyone manage to get cinelerra to work on Hoary 64 bit?
[06:21] <lawman> vesa?
[06:21] <LinuxJones> lawman, you can put in anything
[06:21] <GnuKemist> lawman, lemme see how to manually configure and update xorg.conf under Debian
[06:21] <lawman> ok, typed vesa.
[06:21] <BobaFett> Guys... How can I make a launcher that points to a folder?
[06:21] <lawman> now asking for bus identifier?
[06:21] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: you just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:22] <lawman> shall i exit and just try to edit?
[06:22] <LinuxJones> lawman, you have an agp card ?
[06:22] <lawman> via card
[06:22] <arek> BobaFett: ln -s source target
[06:22] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, but don't you have to run something else afterwards?
[06:22] <GnuKemist> or is it like xfree?
[06:22] <lawman> now asking for bus identifier?
[06:22] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: nope; just restart x.
[06:22] <BobaFett> arek: ln -s source target via terminal? and being 'source' the place I wanna place the launcher?
[06:22] <lawman> how do i kill config program without answering any more questions?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> ctrl + c
[06:23] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  its a laptop
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lawman, it's probably PCI:1:0:0
[06:23] <LinuxJones> ohhhh
[06:23] <lawman> ctrl-c pressed.  nothing happens.  pressed ok on bus id.
[06:23] <arek> BobaFett: its just normal symbolic link read the manual
[06:23] <lawman> now asking for memory of video card?
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lawman,  open another terminal ctrl+alt+F
[06:23] <lawman> ok
[06:23] <BobaFett> ah...heard of 'em, never actually had to use 'em :)
[06:23] <lawman> pressing ctl-alt-f3 now
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lawman,  open another terminal ctrl+alt+F3
[06:23] <LinuxJones> prefect
[06:23] <BobaFett> thanks arek, will check :)
[06:24] <lawman> logged in again
[06:24] <LinuxJones> do lspci
[06:24] <lawman> startx.  screen black again
[06:24] <lawman> can hear login music
[06:24] <will> hi how do i set the ac97clock=48000 cant remember the location!
[06:24] <madstop> apokryphos, are you an ubuntu developer?
[06:24] <lawman> pressed alt-ctl-backspace to kill x.  back at prompt on session f3.
[06:24] <lawman> :(
[06:24] <GnuKemist> LinuxJones, he has a via card
[06:25] <apokryphos> madstop: not at all :P
[06:25] <LinuxJones> GnuKemist, he has to put in the pci identifier bus
[06:25] <LinuxJones> GnuKemist, or is that done ?
[06:25] <GnuKemist> LinuxJones, thought he was already manually editing the file
[06:25] <GnuKemist> LinuxJones, my bad
[06:25] <lawman> ok. just pressed ok to all the defaults back at prompt now
[06:26] <lawman> startx,
[06:26] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:26] <lawman> and seems to be working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:26] <lawman> oh boy
[06:26] <LinuxJones> lawman,  sweet
[06:26] <lawman> lol
[06:26] <apokryphos> woo :)
[06:26] <lawman> so is that set for life now?
[06:26] <GnuKemist> lawman, congrats
[06:26] <GnuKemist> lawman, should be
[06:26] <LinuxJones> lawman,  yes if your happy with the resolution
[06:26] <lawman> oh boy
[06:26] <lawman> thanks guys
[06:26] <LinuxJones> ;)
[06:27] <GnuKemist> woot
[06:27] <lawman> resolution seems fine
[06:27] <geneo93> vesa is not very fast
[06:27] <lawman> everything seems to be working fine now
[06:27] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: sorry, I stopped following.. what was needed in the end?
[06:27] <madstop> they should bestow an honorary title of "ubuntu facilitator" on the most helpful folks on this channel, maybe send you all up for a ride on the shuttle with the Canonical guy next time, as a reward ;-)
[06:27] <LinuxJones> geneo93, but it works everytime
[06:27] <GnuKemist> lawman, you typed Vesa right?
[06:27] <lawman> as vesa is not very fast,  what is the end solution i should seek out?
[06:27] <lawman> yes.  it was vesa that got it working
[06:27] <zenwhen> nvidia's drivers are great with both 2d and 3d, so if you have an nvidia card you should use those
[06:27] <GnuKemist> :)
[06:27] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, he jsut had to select vesa as the video driver
[06:28] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  true
[06:28] <heze> zenwhen, via integrated :)
[06:28] <lawman> ok.  so shall i stick with vesa.  or can i get a faster display doing something else?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> lawman, still intrigued why via didn't work for you
[06:28] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: oh, vesa. I thought he was using via or something?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> lawman, my laptop has via
[06:28] <lawman> is there some kind of log file i can send to someone?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> lawman, and I have it running
[06:28] <lawman> or some forum?
[06:28] <heze> apokryphos, the via driver didn't work for him, vesa works for most of the cases :)
[06:28] <snk00sj> heh, i got it running, i can only list it with root user though
[06:29] <snk00sj> the wiki sais something about making a group, and giving the read permission to that group
[06:29] <apokryphos> heze: generic-ish. Cool.
[06:29] <LinuxJones> I don't know why the devs just don't make vesa the standard it would solve alot of initial problems for new users :)
[06:29] <lawman> ok guys thanks a lot
[06:29] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: worked fine here too; just changed it to nvidia for acceleration etc.
[06:29] <lawman> shall i stick with vesa forever, or try something faster later?
[06:29] <snk00sj> how can i list all the groups with their corresponding gid on linux ?
[06:29] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah
[06:29] <geneo93> lawman:  dont forget updates
[06:29] <lawman> ok.
[06:30] <lawman> will stick to what i have for now
[06:30] <heze> lawman, if you're satisfied with it, stick to it. if not, try to get via driver working.
[06:30] <optika> snk00sj: cat /etc/group
[06:30] <snk00sj> ty
[06:30] <lawman> well it's better than black. so i'm happy for now.
[06:30] <lawman> thanks again ppl
[06:30] <lawman> bye
[06:30] <LinuxJones> lawman, that's really the hardest part of installing Linux in general
[06:30] <heze> lawman, but unfortunately getting it working might not be trivial
[06:30] <GnuKemist> bye
[06:30] <heze> cya
[06:31] <dabi> is it possible to have gnome panel what shows if somebody connects to me at port 80? and see the ip's connected. i have it now in gkrellm but want it to gnome panel..
[06:31] <GnuKemist> g2g... have a date with 4 loads of laundry
[06:31] <GnuKemist> ttyl guys
[06:31] <GnuKemist> it was fun
[06:31] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: good luck with that. ;)
[06:31] <LinuxJones> bye
[06:32] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, hehehe... the worst part is folding
[06:32] <Coily> is it just me or are there a lot of packages to be updated?
[06:33] <apokryphos> Coily: it depends on the last time you did an update...
[06:33] <LinuxJones> Coily, hoary is moving very fast right now gearing up for release
[06:33] <LinuxJones> Coily, though it should be frozen soon
[06:33] <dabi> i have 243 updates even if i install them..
[06:33] <Coily> the last time was thursday, but ya just making sure i didnt break anything
[06:34] <jesper_> Hi. How do i make gaim use another spellcheck. I dont want english spell check, but swedish. I installed the gspell files for sv.
[06:34] <amiroff> people, how to change mouse settings to lefthanded via xorg.conf ?
[06:34] <geneo93> march 30th is cut off date
[06:34] <LinuxJones> amiroff, hoary ?
[06:35] <LinuxJones> amiroff, gnome-mouse-properties
[06:35] <amiroff> LinuxJones: I am asking this for my friend, he just got Suse 9.2 and it won't let him chnage that to lefthanded, lol
[06:35] <stianh> I have a file, with 800 lines, four things on each line, divided by one empty space. I wish to delete the last three entries on each of the 800 lines. Any suggestinos on how to do it without doing it manually? Each line is different
[06:35] <lawman> hi all.  thanks again for the vesa.  is there a way to import ms-outlook data into evolution or kontact?
[06:35] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  has to be
[06:35] <LinuxJones> amiroff, that's like KDE based so I dunno
[06:36] <apokryphos> amiroff: kcontrol > peripherals > mouse
[06:36] <amiroff> LinuxJones: ok, I see
[06:36] <apokryphos> amiroff: or, use sax2 -- I think that's what it's called.
[06:36] <amiroff> apokryphos: yes, it's there but grayed out (disabled) :)
[06:36] <apokryphos> amiroff: but this is the #ubuntu channel ;-)
[06:36] <amiroff> apokryphos: or maybe yast
[06:36] <apokryphos> yeah
[06:36] <amiroff> apokryphos: yeah, ubuntu rules
[06:36] <LinuxJones> amiroff, maybe you need to select the correct mouse in sax2 or whatever it is
[06:36] <lawman> hi all.  thanks again for the vesa.  is there a way to import ms-outlook data into evolution or kontact?
[06:37] <amiroff> LinuxJones: well, it's my friend, he's on windows right now and I wanted to help, suse irc channel sucks hard
[06:37] <LinuxJones> lawman, there is in evolution I think under import maybe ?
[06:37] <LinuxJones> amiroff, google for it I'm sure you'll get a hit
[06:37] <lawman> doesn't seem to do ms-outlook files.
[06:38] <M_Fatih> hi all
[06:38] <M_Fatih> where is my cursor files, in gentoo, it was /usr/share/cursors, & what name is redhat-artwork's package..
[06:38] <LinuxJones> lawman, select single file
[06:38] <LinuxJones> oh he left :(
[06:39] <HiddenWolf> M_fatih: this is not a redhat support channel
[06:39] <LinuxJones> M_Fatih, redhat-artwork
[06:40] <M_Fatih> HiddenWolf, i don't want to redhat support, i need redhat-ARTWORK's name..
[06:40] <M_Fatih> LinuxJones, thnx :)
[06:40] <amiroff> LinuxJones: want some laugh? http://slforums.typo3-factory.net/lofiversion/index.php/t2291.html I cannot believe it!
[06:40] <M_Fatih> how can i change my X cursors?
[06:40] <vaijr2002> anyone know where to get this?   bzlib devel package
[06:41] <klo> hi
[06:41] <vaijr2002> guess i need the tar.gz. dont know how to install rpm's in ubuntu yet
[06:41] <odie5533> How does one start xine-ui after it has been installed? An icon hasn't appeard and the command 'xine-ui' is not found
[06:41] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Use synaptic and search for the package.
[06:41] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: you don't install .rpm's in ubuntu, you install .debs
[06:41] <ghita> hello
[06:41] <vaijr2002> did cant find it
[06:41] <vaijr2002> ok
[06:41] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Just use "xine" as the command.
[06:42] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: you probably meant libbz2-dev
[06:42] <LinuxJones> odie5533, alt+F2 then start typing
[06:42] <vaijr2002> cant find it in synaptic
[06:42] <klo> i don t know where i am
[06:42] <Jesterace> M_Fatih, you looking for bluecurve?
[06:42] <odie5533> ah, thankyou DarthFrog
[06:42] <Chipzz> (wild guess)
[06:42] <ghita> i want to ask only this:Does anybody have problems with the icon themes?
[06:42] <M_Fatih> Jesterace, yes
[06:42] <vaijr2002> nop chipzz program i am installing says i need bzlib devel
[06:42] <LinuxJones> odie5533, it will automagically complete for you
[06:42] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Do you have universe and multiverse repostitories enabled?
[06:42] <Jesterace> M_Fatih, i'm using the bluecurve metacity theme in ubuntu
[06:42] <vaijr2002> dont think so
[06:42] <geneo93> vaijr2002:  do you have all the repositories enabled
[06:42] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: what is the exact error message
[06:42] <vaijr2002> how do i do that
[06:42] <Jesterace> I had to download it then extract the packages
[06:42] <nirvana> hey everyone, I am new to ubuntu
[06:42] <jalal_ubuntu> how to install mplayer in ubuntu ?
[06:42] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: use Synaptic.
[06:42] <vaijr2002> error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package
[06:43] <zenrox> jalal_ubuntu, got to compile it your self
[06:43] <M_Fatih> Jesterace, what package do you installed?
[06:43] <vaijr2002> is synaptic the regular install/remove programs thing
[06:43] <nirvana> anyone know how I can get SMB installed?
[06:43] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: you still need libbz2-dev imho
[06:43] <Jesterace> M_Fatih, it wasn't a package that i can remember
[06:43] <Chipzz> s/imho/imnsvho
[06:43] <vaijr2002> ok one sec brb
[06:43] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: try libbz2-dev
[06:43] <M_Fatih> Jesterace, hmm. ok..
[06:43] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Under Settings/Repositories
[06:43] <ghita> icon problems anyone?
[06:44] <odie5533> Hmm... how do I kill a program when the [X]  doesn't work?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> nirvana, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[06:44] <Jesterace> i wound up searching google for it
[06:44] <nirvana> thanks
[06:44] <el_cristiano> http://nanocrew.net/img/vlc-wmv3.jpg  <------ how do i get such a good looking console? (im interested in the font and the readability of it)
[06:44] <vaijr2002> ok thanks
[06:44] <vaijr2002> brb
[06:44] <DarthFrog> odie5533: CLT-ALT-Esc, then click on the window to be killed.
[06:44] <jalal_ubuntu> zenrox, ok thx
[06:45] <apokryphos> *dial-up
[06:45] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, :(
[06:45] <odie5533> It isn't doing anything
[06:45] <vaijr2002> if i am doing ./configure on a lib file, do i need to do make and make install?
[06:45] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Did the cursor turn into a skull & crossbones?
[06:45] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: temporarily, of course ;). Link above loads, erm, slowly. :)
[06:45] <ghita> just upgraded to hoary and my icon theme doesen't work anymore.Please help!
[06:46] <odie5533> no, it didnt
[06:46] <odie5533> it selects the whole screen
[06:46] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah I am waiting for it too :)
[06:46] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: what are you trying to install anyway?
[06:46] <odie5533> then the bars at the top and bottom
[06:46] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Press and hold the Control, Alt and Esc. keys.
[06:46] <odie5533> I did
[06:46] <odie5533> All together
[06:46] <SeeleyUSMC> HAHAHA!  I'm so stupid!  I downloaded the 64bit version for the install...maybe thats why it wouldn't boot right! lol!
[06:46] <odie5533> in order too, lol
[06:46] <vaijr2002> valknut direct connect client
[06:46] <PhxGuy> Cann Anyone Help me with My Ubuntu Installation???? Computer Hangs @ 'Starting Hotplug SubSystem"
[06:47] <vaijr2002> having all kinds of probs installing verlihub , hub program
[06:47] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Well that just might have something to do with your problems. :-)
[06:47] <vaijr2002> mysql probs
[06:47] <odie5533> Is there a way to kill it from the terminal?
[06:47] <LinuxJones> el_cristiano, it looks like bitstrea-vera-sans
[06:48] <LinuxJones> el_cristiano, *bitstream
[06:48] <PhxGuy> Anyone???
[06:48] <teleyinex> hi
[06:48] <teleyinex> im a noob in this distribution
[06:48] <teleyinex> but i came from debian
[06:48] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.  Use "ps auxww" to get the PID number, then "kill -15 (PID number)".
[06:48] <tritium> hi, teleyinex
[06:48] <vaijr2002> error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
[06:48] <vaijr2002> eeek
[06:48] <teleyinex> now im strugling with different things like: why my totem doesnt play mpg files?
[06:48] <nic__> I've to disable acpi for booting livecd, but I don't need it anymore
[06:48] <DarthFrog> odie5533: if kill -15 doesn't work, try -3 and finally -9.
[06:49] <teleyinex> what its what i need?
[06:49] <SmokingFire> How do I move my screen?
[06:49] <geneo93> odie5533:  do a pidof (program
[06:49] <nic__> though ubuntu saved that setting and add acpi=off for each kernel
[06:49] <nic__> how do I reenable acpi?
[06:49] <SmokingFire> The image is to much to the right.
[06:49] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Telep uburestricted
[06:49] <Pyre> Telep: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:49] <geneo93> odie5533:  thel kill that number
[06:50] <SeeleyUSMC> Well then...we'll see in about an hour / hour and a half if its going to work this time :)
[06:50] <SmokingFire> I can use my monitor buttons but that will perhaps disrupt the settings of the other os's I have installed.
[06:50] <odie5533> works, thanks
[06:50] <_quinton> SmokingFire, that depends on your monitor...
[06:50] <jalal_ubuntu> how to make xmms as a default mp3 player
[06:50] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: Is Pyre a bot?
[06:50] <_quinton> oh
[06:50] <apokryphos> yes
[06:50] <teleyinex> thanks
[06:50] <nic__> hey
[06:50] <nic__> nobody knows?
[06:51] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, right click an mp3 file and select open with then fill in hte info
[06:51] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:51] <PhxGuy> anyone care to help me out???
[06:51] <odie5533> Is it better to mount extra hard drives to /media/ or /mnt/ ?
[06:51] <snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100 0 0
[06:51] <apokryphos> odie5533: either is fine.
[06:51] <nic__> only noobs or what
[06:51] <berstein> Hello all.  After upgrading from "Warty" to "Hoary Preview", OpenGL programs stopped working.  The culprit seems to be a TLS library + the NVidia drivers.  Is there a workaround for this?
[06:51] <odie5533> Which is more normal to do?
[06:51] <snk00sj> but i cannot list the mounted directory as non-root user
[06:52] <LinuxJones> nic__, maybe people are busy
[06:52] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, i want it to play the music when i clik on a mp3 file
[06:52] <apokryphos> odie5533: on Mdk, /mnt, on Fedora /media. :S Not sure about debian.
[06:52] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, yeah it will do it if you tell it, it will ask if you want to make it permenant with a clickbox
[06:54] <SeeleyUSMC> What is KUbuntu?
[06:54] <Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk
[06:54] <Gandalfar> kde ubuntu
[06:54] <jalal_ubuntu> Linuxok thx
[06:54] <SeeleyUSMC> ahh
[06:54] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's KDE on Ubuntu.  The way Ubuntu should be. :-)
[06:55] <klo> this is my first time here i don t even know hod do i arrived herehello to everybody
[06:55] <SeeleyUSMC> that sounds nice
[06:55] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:55] <emacsen> I don't seem to be able to play flac files with xmms
[06:55] <DarthFrog> Hello klo, welcome
[06:55] <SeeleyUSMC> I liked the way kde looked when i tried installing suse and mandrake
[06:55] <Dillweed> hello all I was wondering if any can help me with my nvidia drivers.
[06:55] <jalal_ubuntu> Linux no he don't ask me
[06:55] <klo> hi darthFrog thanx
[06:56] <teleyinex> if i install totem-xine, totem will eliminate totem-gstreamer, is this normal?
[06:56] <tritium> Dillweed, what's the trouble?
[06:56] <Dillweed> I am dual booting with gentoo and have the same nvidia drivers installed on both systems and they both work.  However, the gentoo system get 2000 FPS better than ubuntu
[06:56] <snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 but i can only list the dir as root, wha is wrong ?
[06:56] <munki> libpng3 ? -where do I find that? can only find libpng3-dev and Cedega requeres it
[06:56] <M_Fatih> what plugin must i install for totem's wmf support?. or how can i learn totem's all plugins infos..
[06:57] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, no he don't ask me
[06:57] <teleyinex> M_Fatih, im as you are, but what i know its to install totem-xine
[06:57] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, your running warty right ?
[06:57] <M_Fatih> hm
[06:57] <DarthFrog> munki: Try installing the dev file.  It wil depend upon libpng3 and will pull it in.
[06:57] <tritium> Dillweed, what's the difference in your xorg.conf files?
[06:57] <munki> DarthFrog : nope
[06:57] <Dillweed> there is no difference as far as the graphic drivers go
[06:57] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:57] <munki> DarthFrog : it doesn't
[06:57] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:57] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:57] <DarthFrog> munki: Then it's probably already installed.
[06:58] <munki> DarthFrog : neither
[06:58] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, the releaseone dunno what is it's the 4.10
[06:58] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:58] <SmokingFire> should I install the k7 or i686 kernel image? (I have a barton amd athlon)
[06:58] <munki> DarthFrog : Can't install Cedega because of it
[06:58] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:58] <apokryphos> SmokingFire: k7
[06:58] <Myrtti> is there a way of doing a netinstall from USB memory stick?
[06:58] <zenwhen> K7
[06:58] <DarthFrog> munki: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[06:58] <SmokingFire> Does the k7 image support sse and mmx?
[06:58] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[06:58] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, that's Warty I don't remember exactly how to do it I have been running Hoary for 2 lon I guess :)
[06:59] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:59] <LinuxJones> munki, it should be there
[06:59] <munki> nope but I will try
[06:59] <munki> with universe etc.
[06:59] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, try removing all your usb devices and then boot
[07:00] <SeeleyUSMC> Dang...what am I going to do for 1 hour and 50 minutes while I wait for the download?
[07:00] <LinuxJones> munki, it is in universe you need to enable that repository (Hoary anyways dunno bout warty)
[07:00] <Myrtti> Help, I'm stuck in a teletubby land and I want to do a netinstall from a USB stick!?
[07:00] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, ok thx
[07:00] <PhxGuy> ok will give that a try,,,,, I am downgrading from Hoary hoping my Bluetooth Keyboard will work.....
[07:00] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, ;)
[07:00] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Take your dog for a walk.
[07:00] <munki> Darthfrog : thanks for the help, it worked :)
[07:00] <DarthFrog> munki: Glad I could help.
[07:01] <netmonk> when I save a file on the desktop I don't see it until next time i start the computer. is there a way I can fix that?
[07:01] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I would, but they don't allow pets except goldfish inside the barracks :)
[07:01] <PhxGuy> Dilweed, I have a External USB Drive...... Will this cause probems..... This is the Initial Boot from when when it is done with the CD
[07:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Go for a run? :-)
[07:01] <berstein> Anyone having problems with nvidia-glx + tls?
[07:01] <munki> DarthFrog : me to :))
[07:01] <klo> I have a problem, when I try to accept some file during the gaim internet mess. it shut it down
[07:01] <tritium> That would be unsat
[07:01] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I just might do that...
[07:01] <kent> netmonk, its a bug i also have seen. Just pressing ctrl+r will make it appear. (refresh..)
[07:02] <codyman> i've installed ndis wrapper and installed the 64 bit versino of broadcom drivers.. now whats the next step?
[07:02] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:02] <kssr> dfg
[07:02] <netmonk> kent, thanks a lot. they just came back after following your advise :)
[07:03] <LinuxJones> ghita, what theme were you using ?
[07:03] <Myrtti> ok, I guess I have to use the old install CD
[07:03] <Myrtti> bbl
[07:03] <kent> netmonk, I have not had the time to fill a bugreport about that in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, perhaps you have some spare time to do it?  Its a thing that should get fixed before next ubuntu  :(
[07:03] <PhxGuy> Dillweed, Any Thoughts on my previous comments???
[07:04] <netmonk> kent, will do
[07:04] <LBM> small question
[07:04] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, sorry.  i was away.  you boot ubuntu from a usb drive?  how come?  I would try dual-booting on your computer and see if that fixes the problem.
[07:04] <LBM> ubuntus (hoary) autoconfiguration of Xorg worked just fine, but when i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the resolution of my laptop widescreen wasn't detected
[07:04] <Dillweed> LBM, did you make a backup of xorg.conf?
[07:05] <LBM> what steps is used to generate the initial ubuntu Xorg configuration?
[07:05] <LinuxJones> ghita, you can re-install it
[07:05] <DarthFrog> codyman: Have a gander at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/talkback/1104103251/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[07:05] <PhxGuy> Dillweed, No I have an external USB Drive..... Ubuntu is on hdb but i still want to have access to my USB Drive files...
[07:05] <LBM> Dillweed: i didn't, i thought the folks at ubuntu used the xserver-xorg package to configure it initial
[07:05] <tritium> what's going on, ells?
[07:06] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, boot without the drive in and then connect the drive after ubuntu boots then mount it.
[07:06] <ghita> LinuxJones:i was using d3a-iconset
[07:06] <PhxGuy> Dillweed, I vurrently am dualbooting
[07:06] <ghita> LinuxJones:but i tryed etiquete and gnome-svg...non of them worked
[07:06] <Dillweed> LBM, i'm not sure how the install script works, but I would suspect it isn't the same as updating.
[07:06] <codyman> DarthFrog: ok.. this is weird... if I type in modprobe ndiswrapper it says that ndiswrapper is not found.. but if i type in ndiswrapper its found no problem..
[07:06] <PhxGuy> ok well ill try that.... Dillweed any thoughts on USB Bluetooth Keyboard???
[07:06] <Dillweed> LBM, you can manually add the resolution into your xorg.conf if needed
[07:07] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, sorry man I don't have any experience with bluetooth
[07:07] <DarthFrog> codyman: No idea, sorry.  I've never used ndiswrapper.
[07:07] <PhxGuy> alright thx
[07:07] <LinuxJones> ghita, I am not farmiliar with that iconset :(
[07:08] <vaijr2002> configure: error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
[07:08] <vaijr2002> how do i fix that?
[07:08] <LBM> Dillweed: i know, just need to know the steps used to generate the initial Xorg configuration
[07:08] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:08] <madstop> is color depth configurable in kde, or gnome for that matter, all I can find is settings for resolution...
[07:08] <optika> ghita: hey, I had a similar problem
[07:08] <Dillweed> LBM, i'm not sure how.  Why do you need to know that?
[07:08] <optika> ghita: if you run gnome-theme-manager, does it pop up a dialog with something about metacity and gconf?
[07:09] <vaijr2002> grr i am about to switch to mandrake, ubuntu is giving me fits lol
[07:09] <teleyinex> how can i install java in an easy way
[07:09] <Dillweed> LBM, to me it would be easier to change the xorg.conf manually if you are only changing the resolution
[07:09] <teleyinex> im in hoary
[07:10] <Dillweed> teleyinex, try this link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[07:10] <vaijr2002> so anyone know how to fix this...configure: error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
[07:10] <codyman> anyone know of a .deb package for amd64 ndiswrapper?
[07:10] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Don't give up so easily.  I'm switching away from Mandrake.
[07:10] <vaijr2002> lol Darth
[07:10] <LBM> Dillweed: if i change it manually, any future autodetection will be disabled
[07:10] <LinuxJones> codyman, there isn't one installed by default ?
[07:11] <LBM> Dillweed: that's not what i want, i want to fix this problem
[07:11] <codyman> linuxjones:i don't know let me check
[07:11] <vaijr2002> i had to reinstall yesterday did some error that mucked up my add/remove programs
[07:11] <Dillweed> LBM, autodetection of what?  are you planning on changing your monitor?
[07:11] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Same answer.  use synaptic to install libdc
[07:11] <TDM|Linux> People can get help here right? Because I need some help.
[07:11] <LBM> Dillweed: autodetection of resolutions etc.
[07:11] <vaijr2002> hmm
[07:11] <LBM> Dillweed: i could manually edit all my configurations, but that's not what i want
[07:11] <WW> TDM|Linux: Depends what kind of help you need...
[07:12] <Dillweed> LBM, if the resolutions are in the xorg.conf
[07:12] <DarthFrog> TDM|Linux: Answers are $1, correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free.
[07:12] <TDM|Linux> I need help with my soundcard..using Ubuntu Hoary..
[07:12] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.When i open gnome-theme-manager all the themes have a '?' on them and no preview.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:12] <vaijr2002> Darth they are both installed
[07:12] <LBM> Dillweed: i want to see ubuntu as an easy to use distribution i can recommend
[07:12] <codyman> LinuxJones: No ndiswrapper is installed it seems
[07:12] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Then set the required path.
[07:13] <LinuxJones> codyman, argh that sucks
[07:13] <Dillweed> LBM, i don't know about autodectetion.  but sometimes we need to change things manually.  ubuntu is probably the easiest i've used.
[07:13] <vaijr2002> how do i do that
[07:13] <vaijr2002> and where?
[07:13] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: On the command line that you're trying to run.
[07:13] <LBM> Dillweed: sometimes yes, but this one is quite important imho
[07:13] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: And you'll have to find out the path yourself.
[07:13] <vaijr2002> its ./configure for valknut
[07:13] <Dillweed> LBM, why?
[07:13] <TDM|Linux> Anyone I can talk to about getting my onboard sound card to work in Ubuntu Hoary? I'm quite the noob though so I'll need lots of help..
[07:13] <LBM> maybe i should just go for #ubuntu-devel
[07:13] <LBM> or file a bug
[07:13] <LinuxJones> codyman, hope this helps >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3038.html
[07:14] <Dillweed> LBM, you can but the developers can't always hold our hands :) no offense
[07:14] <madstop> how do check color depth, and change it?
[07:15] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Run "updatedb".  Then run the command "locate libdc" which will show you where it is.  Use that path to pass the switch --with-libdc=(path) to configure.  ie ./configure --with-libdc=(path)
[07:15] <Dillweed> LBM, all the years i've used a linux distro sometimes it is necessary to get the hands dirty :P
[07:16] <LBM> Dillweed: you are free to do your configuration manually, but i see ubuntu as a potential userfriendly distribution
[07:16] <DarthFrog> Dillweed: Sometimes?  How about frequently? :-)
[07:16] <LBM> Dillweed: i always did my configuration work myself, i'm sick and tired of that
[07:16] <Dillweed> LBM, it already is.  you are talking about windows then.
[07:16] <jasp> wow - are all the people here real?
[07:17] <LBM> Dillweed: no, there are still some gliches imho
[07:17] <codyman> i found a mandrake rpm i alien'ed: ndiswrapper_1.0-3_amd64.deb
[07:17] <sandwitch> no i' m fake
[07:17] <TDM|Linux> People go away, they just don't quit.
[07:17] <codyman> should that work?
[07:17] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.When i open gnome-theme-manager all the themes have a '?' on them and no preview.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:17] <DarthFrog> jasp: No. This is a channel for solipists. :-)
[07:18] <Dillweed> LBM, windows has glitches also.  Every os has glitches.  the developers can't anticipate every condition their os is going to be run on.
[07:18] <netmonk> ghita, i don't know. that's the first time i hear something like this, sory.
[07:18] <DarthFrog> codyman: DO NOT USE THAT PACKAGE!
[07:18] <codyman> ok
[07:18] <codyman> DarthFrog: why is it bad to use that one?
[07:18] <darkx> codyman, compile your own module from the source
[07:18] <madstop> Dillweed, LBM, kubuntu is, in this humble, non-technically skilled user's opinion, very much more "new user friendly" than the gnome version
[07:18] <Dillweed> LBM, ubuntu has the least amount of configuring that I've found (for a debian based distro) but it still means that often it is necessary to do it to get it working.
[07:18] <jasp> :) darthfrog
[07:19] <DarthFrog> codyman: ndiswrapper is a kernel module.  You must use the specific one for your kernel.
[07:19] <codyman> DarthFrog: IC
[07:19] <ghita> what pakages have to do with gnome themes?
[07:19] <codyman> so i need to find one for the current amd64 ubuntu kernel?
[07:19] <jasp> i may not be able to keep up with this place
[07:19] <Quinn_Storm> I don't know if ndiswrapper will work in 64-bit mode b/c it is designed to wrap 32-bit windows drivers
[07:19] <LBM> Dillweed: haha, hand your mom a copy of linspire and ubuntu and make her install
[07:19] <DarthFrog> codyman: Yes.  Or install the deb-source and compile it.
[07:20] <Dillweed> LBM, I don't think that any linux distro is free of configing.
[07:20] <codyman> Quin: I have the 64 bit Windoze inf file for my card..
[07:20] <DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: Ooh, good point.
[07:20] <LBM> Dillweed: she will not get through the ubuntu installation as easy as linspire
[07:20] <Dillweed> LBM, my mom is dead
[07:20] <Quinn_Storm> codyman: well it might work, not sure
[07:20] <DarthFrog> codyman: you might be phux0red.
[07:20] <LBM> Dillweed: sorry for that, but you get my point
[07:20] <codyman> DarthFrog: phux0red?
[07:21] <DarthFrog> codyman: Think streams and lack of paddles. :-)
[07:21] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:21] <madstop> ubuntu install could be, and I'm very sure will be, easier eventually.
[07:21] <Dillweed> LBM, yes :P  but my point is that linux is not ready for the masses to plug-n-play. it is better but still needs work
[07:21] <LBM> madstop: i think kde is too bloated with configuration options, but great alternative
[07:21] <LBM> Dillweed: that's my point! that's the reason i want this problem to be fixed
[07:22] <DarthFrog> LBM: That's one of the points of Gnome, to remove as much config options as possible.
[07:22] <Quinn_Storm> LBM: I came in late to this, what's the problem specifically you are complaining about?
[07:22] <LBM> DarthFrog: yes? what's your point here?
[07:22] <samberstein> GL programs segfaulting.  nvidia + tls = the problem?  any help will be appreciated...
[07:22] <madstop> have you tried "kubuntu", LBM?  Yes, I can see how it might seem like configuration overkill, but I'm finding it's a lot easier to just do stuff once and forget about it with kubuntu, than with gnome
[07:22] <Dillweed> LBM, file the bug then.  it should help others out.  maybe I'm of the mindset coming from other distros that if you want your linux os to work then manually fix it.
[07:22] <DarthFrog> LBM: I suppose that it might be a defining difference between KDE and Gnome.
[07:23] <PacoBCN> hi
[07:23] <vaijr2002> anyone tried Yoper yet?
[07:23] <LBM> Quinn_Storm: the initial Xorg configuration and the result of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't the same (some resolutions isn't available with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)
[07:23] <PacoBCN> yoper?
[07:24] <PacoBCN> what is it for?
[07:24] <vaijr2002> yup another distro
[07:24] <zenrox> vaijr2002, nope but i know how to prelink like yoper
[07:24] <vaijr2002> looks pretty cool
[07:24] <Fl-i-nT> Network: This printer is connected to a Windows box and i am trying to get it to work but its status is Ready: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR:  Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL| anybody know what is wrong?
[07:24] <LBM> madstop: i did yesterday, yes
[07:24] <Quinn_Storm> LBM: ah, I don't know enough about how that works to really say, obviously the deb configure scripts need to be updated
[07:24] <vaijr2002> might be better than ubuntu has alot of goodies in it
[07:24] <Dillweed> LBM, i would guess the configure scripts are different.
[07:24] <LBM> madstop: just reinstalled my system to get rid of all kde packages (it's faster than fiddling with the removal of all libs etc.)
[07:25] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: ubuntu has over 16,000 packages available in the repositories.
[07:25] <vaijr2002> yup
[07:25] <LBM> Quinn_Storm: exactly
[07:25] <vaijr2002> i dont know what i did the other day. what update i did, but it messed up synaptec
[07:25] <vaijr2002> i couldnt do anything
[07:25] <Quinn_Storm> LBM: the debconf scripts probably just need to be updated to read the resolutions from read-edid
[07:26] <ferris> which distrobution is the best for non-savvy windows users?
[07:26] <madstop> unless something breaks, I think I'm married to kde for the time being.  If for nothing else than the sheer convenience of many of the apps.
[07:26] <vaijr2002> suse , mandrake, redhat
[07:26] <JDahl> madstop, about KDE being more user friendly: is it truly more userfriendly, or does it just look more like windows, which you know better? I love Gnome because it's simple an unintrusive - that's also a way of defining userfriendliness
[07:26] <LBM> Dillweed: they obviously are
[07:26] <vaijr2002> ubuntu
[07:26] <madstop> and the speed
[07:26] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Open up a root terminal and issue the command "apt-get update".  What happens?
[07:26] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:26] <Quinn_Storm> ferris: I'd reccomend at least checking out ubuntu/kubuntu, the debian-based distros are pretty good as far as "just works" goes
[07:26] <klo> a friend installed me linux but i really do not understand sometime how does it works i think i m stupid
[07:26] <vaijr2002> how do i open a term as root
[07:26] <vaijr2002> sudo?
[07:26] <Quinn_Storm> klo: no, just uneducated when it comes to linux, that doesn't make you stupid
[07:26] <ferris> ok, then i will stick with debian
[07:27] <thenuke> klo: or then you just dont know how to found out things like how it works :)
[07:27] <ferris> ubuntu has some issues that cannot be resolved
[07:27] <madstop> No, JDahl, God, it's NOTHING like windows.  It improves on windows, while gnome sometimes seems to think it's its mission to remove functionality and convenience
[07:27] <LBM> madstop: you have the freedom to use what you want :)
[07:27] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: It's one of the menu items.
[07:27] <klo> i mean not stupid for linux just to not understand
[07:27] <Quinn_Storm> ferris: what issues?
[07:27] <vaijr2002> crap
[07:27] <vaijr2002> how do i get a root term
[07:27] <LBM> madstop: i admit gtk+ is lacking behind in speed
[07:27] <vaijr2002> sudo?
[07:27] <ferris> well.... for one you cannot install gnome-sword
[07:28] <ferris> in debian it is apt-get install gnome-sword
[07:28] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: sudo -s
[07:28] <madstop> The gnome panels are hopeless compared to the kicker; nautilus seems to prefer esthetic calmness over useful info (laudable "artistically" but inefficient for me)
[07:28] <zane> I just installed ubuntu.. it didnt give me an option to choose root password.. is there a default root password?
[07:28] <Fl-i-nT> Is anybody here a Eyecandy sort of person as in they like to customize there enviroment desktop and window decoration?
[07:28] <Quinn_Storm> ferris: well I don't know what to say there...make sure you have universe & multiverse in your repositories and try...what's your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
[07:28] <vaijr2002> got it
[07:28] <PacoBCN> zane, don't really need root
[07:28] <ferris> i had all of them available...
[07:28] <PacoBCN> zane, Ubuntu uses sudo by default
[07:28] <vaijr2002> ok it listed a bunch of url's
[07:28] <G-O-D> hi mortals
[07:28] <zane> i was having problems with the nvidia and tried to donload and installed drivers but it said i have to do it in root
[07:28] <DarthFrog> zane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:28] <JDahl> madstop, and that's I like Gnome... I definitely know my way around unix, and for me it's great to have something simple that just works... other WMs are too "fancy" for me - so to me gnome is definitely more userfriendly
[07:29] <tritium> ferris, why not submit a request that it be put in universe?
[07:29] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu tries to force people to use sudo.....all the way to patching kdesu to use sudo (which breaks kcontrol)........that's about the only thing I -don't- like about ubuntu
[07:29] <ferris> i worked on it with some other very savvy... could not be resolved
[07:29] <Goshawk> is there someone that have an account on the ubuntu forum with nickname "mayco"?
[07:29] <Xappe> hmm, now I get GPG errors whentrying to apt-get again
[07:29] <vaijr2002> brb
[07:29] <zane> whats a sudo? i am sorry i am new to linux
[07:29] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell zane ubusudo
[07:29] <Pyre> zane: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:29] <DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: It's easy enough to add a root password and do things normally.
[07:29] <madstop> You've nailed it on the head, JDahl, I think that's it exactly.  Gnome seems like a desktop manager for those who don't really need desktop managers.
[07:29] <garrut> Quinn_Storm: it's not like you have to use sudo if you don't want to...
[07:29] <apokryphos> zane: You can do commands as you, but with root permissions.
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> garrut: actually since they patched kdesu I'm stuck w/ the broken ubuntu kdesu
[07:30] <tritium> zane, did you try the ubuntu-supplied nvidia drivers first?
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> DarthFrog: I already unlocked the root user & stuff
[07:30] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: How can I find out what Pyre offers?
[07:30] <Fl-i-nT> What is a major difference in these Distro's i am new to linux and i am only 14 years old and i have tried Mandrake 10.1 and Ubuntu (currently using Ubuntu) and i see no difference only that the ubuntu install was less mouse using than mandrake and that mandrake seemed to crash all the time
[07:30] <apokryphos> ferris: I find it odd that it's "not installable", unrecoverable error. Bibletime works fine here, though. I guess you could always compile gnomesword
[07:30] <zane> tritium.. no i didnt know that,,
[07:30] <Fl-i-nT> apart from that what is there major diffence
[07:30] <madstop> But man, gnome just requires way to much click click clicking for me, and 3/4 s of the time, it's easier to just use the terminal anyway.
[07:31] <apokryphos> ferris: certainly the first packge I've heard about that someone's said will not work
[07:31] <m4f4> http://fek.az :)
[07:31] <tritium> zane, I would recommend that first
[07:31] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: there's no option for that at the mo, unfortunately.
[07:31] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Pick one or the other and stick with it until you know it.  Then you can make your own comparison. Both Ubuntu and Mandrake are good.
[07:32] <zane> i see.. is there a command for that or is there something like Yast update with ubuntu
[07:32] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: Darn.  Pyre looks useful.
[07:32] <Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog, ok i am sticking with Ubuntu i preffere it abit more and mandrake is a pain in the back side
[07:32] <ftwig> o dear - I actidentely changed the permisions on a lot of my files in /etc, / ... and now when I try to log in get 'GDM could not write your authorization file' anyone know whitch file it is refuring to?
[07:32] <tritium> zane, yes, Yast was written to imitate apt
[07:32] <madstop> anyway, ubuntu's gnome is great gnome, ubuntu's kde is fantastic (I never liked kde before); I'm hoping for a ubunutu optimized xfce next!
[07:33] <zane> can i use apt-get to install nvidia driver?
[07:33] <JDahl> madstop, yeah.. I also do everything from a terminal. And I think you're right that Gnome is intentionally designed for more technically skilled people
[07:33] <tritium> zane, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[07:33] <Ghost_Two> does anyone in here use ubuntu on a laptop?
[07:33] <tritium> zane, scroll down to the nVidia section
[07:33] <tritium> Ghost_Two, yes
[07:34] <Xappe> Ghost_Two, yep, on an ibook g3
[07:34] <Fl-i-nT> that was wierd why did my X-chat suddenly close down?
[07:34] <sic|> some dude named pwnzor kicked you Fl-i-nT
[07:34] <sic|> jk
[07:34] <Ghost_Two> I have a question, I'm using a dell laptop and when I hit the Fn + another key to adjust the volume, the laptop locks up
[07:34] <zane> tritium... thanx a lot man.. u really helped me a lot.. i wish i knew about this howto website.. lol
[07:35] <Ghost_Two> does anyone have experience with this?
[07:35] <tritium> zane, no problem :)
[07:35] <tritium> zane, let me know if you have any problems
[07:35] <ftwig> anyone know what the t on the end of the permisions for /tmp is
[07:35] <WillCooke> Hey guys, what's that open-source version of vmware called?
[07:35] <madstop> Jdahl, what I can't understand though about the "technically skilled people" though, is how you all have the patience for such poor design as those gnome panels?  I mean, it's absurd the amount of time one has to waste just to add applets, and the selection of applets is very small, and they're often lame.
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> HELP!!!!!
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> why is it my programmes are shuting down all of a sudden
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> ???
[07:36] <tritium> Ghost_Two, that doesn't happen on my Dell C840.  What model do you have>
[07:36] <tritium> ?
[07:36] <sic|> ftwig, did you try to do a man on chmod?
[07:36] <Ghost_Two> I have a 5000e
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> first X-chat then Firefox
[07:36] <madstop> I get the feeling that the gnome gui is desighned by folks who are a little contemptuous of people who may actually want quick, one or two click access to stuff
[07:36] <Ghost_Two> it's a hard freeze too
[07:36] <LinuxJones> madstop, like ?
[07:37] <JDahl> madstop, I added a terminal launcher and the weather watching applet to my panel - that's it... didnt seem like a big deal to me
[07:37] <Fl-i-nT> does anyone know why my Ubuntu is closing down my programmes for no reason at all?
[07:37] <Fl-i-nT> it jsut does it with no warning
[07:37] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:37] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: it could be hardware problems...
[07:37] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: like too little memory.
[07:38] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, do you knwo what area of the hardware?
[07:38] <madstop> kind of my point, JDahl-- if you wanted to add more, you'd find it too time consuming.  All that stuff is poorly thought out.
[07:38] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: you are assuming telepathy here...
[07:38] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, RAM or Hardrive?
[07:38] <klo> hey guys...really I need help my messenger is shuting down everytime i try to receive or send something and I can install Totem real player waht i m supposed to do please
[07:38] <tritium> Fl-i-nT, that's too random with too little information to know
[07:38] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:38] <Ghost_Two> I will probably just use the ubuntu controls instead of the hardware buttons
[07:38] <Blissex> ghita: dont repeat your question more often than 5 minutes.
[07:39] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, do you know a command in terminal which could tell me my partitions and ram space please?
[07:39] <tritium> Ghost_Two, look at the log files in /var/log for any errors.  Maybe you can track down what's happening.
[07:39] <Blissex> ghita: unfortunately all our telepathic clairvoyant help people are busy on other lines...
[07:39] <Xappe> i'm thinking of using a 120 GB disk for ubuntu and win, and a 300 GB disk for storage (no actual need for win to reach the 300 GB disk). what filesystem is best for the big one ? ext3?
[07:39] <LinuxJones> Anybody running vlc video player ??
[07:39] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: for partitions, cfdisk.  For RAM, try top.
[07:39] <Ghost_Two> tritium - thanks I'll do that
[07:39] <Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog, thankx
[07:40] <Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog,                       FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[07:40] <Fl-i-nT>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[07:40] <pepsi> (_)_)
[07:41] <Ghost_Two> tritium - any particular log I should look at?
[07:41] <pepsi> ack!
[07:41] <Blissex> Xappe: depends what you want to store. 'ext3' is good choice for most things.
[07:41] <madstop> (JDahl, last point and I'll drop it -- 'cause it is apples and oranges and I really respect the gnome project-- kubuntu, on my amd64 anyway, is much much faster. and things are working better in general)
[07:41] <sic|> Fl-i-nT, sudo fdisk -l should get you your partitions as well
[07:41] <Xappe> Blissex, well, multimedia and stuff
[07:41] <Blissex> Xappe: yeah yeah...
[07:41] <tritium> Ghost_Two, kern, syslog, messages
[07:42] <Xappe> Blissex, ;)
[07:42] <Fl-i-nT> ok Blissexi have 509mb of swap and 40gb of normal Linux ext3
[07:42] <Blissex> Xappe: if they are mostly big files, perhaps JFS could be a good alternative.
[07:42] <tritium> pepsi, :)
[07:42] <sic|> Xappe, I have experienced much better performance using reiserfs and I have a 160gb and a 120gb for storage..I used to use ext3 and was pleasantly surprised by the change
[07:43] <JDahl> madstop, I havent tried KDE for 4-5 for ages... I got off the bandwagon when KDE was in a "more is better" phase; but that's years ago - maybe I should try the live Kubuntu CD sometime
[07:43] <JDahl> I havent tried it for 4-5 years..
[07:44] <Xappe> sic|, ok, hmm, and ubuntu has support for mounting reiser partitons?
[07:44] <codyman> i need to install kernel headers for kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic but when i apt-cache search my kernel i get nothing
[07:44] <sic|> Xappe, yup
[07:44] <gizeh> hello
[07:44] <Fl-i-nT> ok guys in mem: 516608k total,    499796k used, 16812k free,   26100k buffers <- - - - could this be the problem?
[07:44] <tritium> codyman, apt-cache search linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:44] <sic|> Xappe, in your fstab where you would normally put ext3, put reiserfs and it will mount fine
[07:45] <Xappe> but there are no reiserfs drivers for windows at all, like read support or something (could be nify if things go wrong with my linux)
[07:45] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, could that be a problem if i only have 16548k free mem?
[07:45] <sic|> ahhh
[07:45] <codyman> tritium: thanks found it
[07:45] <Quinn_Storm> by the way, apparently they patched it, just tried one of the kcontrol apps again with the sudoish kdesu and it worked this time.  oh well
[07:45] <tritium> codyman, :)
[07:45] <codyman> where is the linux source build directory?
[07:45] <sic|> Xappe, true, so just uninstall windows....the only windows box in my house is a game box :)
[07:46] <Xappe> sic|, well, that's why windows is still there ;)
[07:46] <tritium> codyman, you'll only get the headers, not full source.  dpkg -L <packagename> to list files
[07:46] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: no, because the system tries to keeo all memory occuiped by caching.
[07:46] <sic|> Xappe, you mean you only have one computer????  omg! heheheheh
[07:46] <sic|> jk
[07:46] <madstop> Jdahl, I the kubuntu folks have worked wonders.
[07:47] <nic__> well finally I think warty is even worse than hoary. it was ok on a desktop, but definitively not on my laptop. :p
[07:47] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: in any case you almost always get the reason why something gets terminated in some log.
[07:47] <Xappe> sic|, and because some programs I need for my masters thesisonly run in windows
[07:47] <ditzah> Xappe: there is a plugin for Total Commander that can read linux partitions
[07:47] <ditzah> Xappe: from Windows I mean
[07:47] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, could you tell me where to find that log
[07:47] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: for example, if you logged in via a display manager, check '~/.xsession-errors' or similar.
[07:47] <Xappe> ditzah, ok. and there are some drivers fr ext3 too iirc
[07:48] <nic__> the most important problems are that acpi doesnt work (crash at boot) and the sound manager applet doesnt detect my sound card
[07:48] <madstop> sorry about bitching about gnome; it's all good.  The whole ubuntu orientation seems to make it all work better, and more easily for non-techies
[07:48] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, could yuo tell me how to do that display manager thingie if possible please?
[07:49] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: no, I am asking _you_.
[07:49] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex,  ok but what is a display manager ?
[07:49] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: are you logging in using a display manager? If so, probably your log is '~/.xsession-errors'
[07:49] <JDahl> madstop, although my preference for Gnome is probably also due to the fact that that's what the sysadmins installed at the machines when I was a student (I even endured twm in my first unix years)
[07:49] <nic__> and I'm afraid that most users are unable to help
[07:49] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, i mean how do i get to ~/.xsession-errors
[07:49] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: a DM is like a graphical login screen like GDM
[07:50] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, how i get it then yes i do so i have to get to ~/.xsession-errors' correct?
[07:51] <Myrtti> I love Ubuntu
[07:51] <nic__> I hate it
[07:51] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: I think so -- look at it with an editor
[07:51] <Myrtti> I took time of how long it takes to install it from XP
[07:51] <nic__> I give up, it sux as much as windows
[07:52] <Myrtti> 20:03 -@: mut pois.
[07:52] <Myrtti> 20:47 -@: Ja Ubuntu asennettu.
[07:52] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, i am a newbi how and what is a editor lol sorry about this i know people hate to answer simple silly questions
[07:52] <nic__> user friendly things, but its bugged and doesnt work
[07:52] <pepsi> how do i get video to work?
[07:52] <nic__> exactly like windows :)
[07:52] <pepsi> .mpg and such
[07:52] <madstop> Jdahl, kde really was overkill!
[07:52] <Myrtti> nic__: feel free to use XP, why are you here then if you don't like it
[07:52] <Myrtti> or any other windows
[07:52] <Myrtti> or BSD
[07:53] <nic__> Myrtti, or real linux distrib
[07:53] <madstop> kubuntu seems to have been nicely "gnomified" to some extent, though...
[07:53] <nic__> I just thought I could find some help here
[07:53] <nic__> but I was wrong
[07:53] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: we do hate answering those questions because they ashow you are a lazy guy who instead of studying things before using them prefers to take advantage of suckers in IRC channels.
[07:53] <Myrtti> nic__: really, why are you here then
[07:53] <LinuxJones> nic__, are you still looking for that scpi thing ?
[07:54] <LinuxJones> *acpi
[07:54] <madstop> well, I do a lot of bitching, but at least I'm specific...
[07:54] <nic__> sure
[07:54] <nic__> acpi doesnt work at all with warty kernel
[07:54] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, hey i found it buy un hidding my home and scrolling down oh and sorry i didnt mena to be rude or anything
[07:54] <nic__> its unbelievable. it just crash at boot if it isnt disabled
[07:54] <madstop> nic_, try hoary, try again, and try politeness
[07:55] <LinuxJones> nic__, maybe it's fixed in Hoary can you upgrade with a fast internet connection ?
[07:55] <nic__> madstop, LinuxJones its fixed in Hoary but I just come from hoary coz some apps were bugged like hell
[07:56] <nic__> rhythmbox is running now
[07:56] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: yes, but how to look at files and what is an ''editor'' are described in any GNU/Linux tutorial. You should read one isntead of asking questions like that.
[07:56] <nic__> but without acpi, it's awful
[07:56] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: It's not so much as you were rude as you weren't observing netiquette.  You are supposed to do some work on your own to find out answers rather than expecting others to do it for you.
[07:56] <LinuxJones> nic__, your running a laptop i assume
[07:56] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, well then sorry geeez tkae it easy i dint mean any harm
[07:57] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Relax.  You'll learn.
[07:57] <DarthFrog> nic__: ACPI works in Hoary.
[07:57] <Blissex> DarthFrog: we hope :-)
[07:57] <Fl-i-nT> ggees guys linux is completly new for me i dont even know where to find home unti labout 10 minutes ago i dont know where to start from and what to search for
[07:58] <zerovertex> Anyone live in the Auburn Alabama area? I'm thinking about organizing a linux user group and need some input
[07:58] <DarthFrog> Blissex: Well, all I can say is that it works for me. :-)
[07:58] <klo> i try to run the bittorrent but it doesn t work
[07:58] <madstop> (Fl-i-nt, one good tactic is to sit back and read the channel; then you can see other newbies like me ask the tryingly simple questions, and very often get them answered with amazing patience ;-)
[07:58] <LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, what are you trying to do again ?
[07:59] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: we understand we dont know anything, this is what annoys us: we learned by reading the very large amount of tutorials and introductions available. Not by pestering people...
[07:59] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: OK, go to http://howtos.linux.com/guides/Intro-Linux/ and have a ball.
[07:59] <ditzah> any ex-gentoo users around?
[07:59] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: it is very hard to help someone that does not know how to look at files...
[07:59] <Slackman> hi guys, what to do i need to apt-get to play mpeg movies
[07:59] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: He's trying to learn linux. :-)
[07:59] <Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, why two of my programmes dissapeared without notice into the blue
[08:01] <Blissex> Slackman: well, a video media player, there are half a dozen.
[08:02] <Blissex> Slackman: I tend to like VLC best for MPEGs.
[08:02] <Slackman> Blissex, nah i have totem
[08:02] <Slackman> Blissex, its just it doesn't know how to play mpeg
[08:02] <Slackman> it says....if i run it from cli
[08:02] <Blissex> Slackman: that's unlikely...
[08:02] <Slackman> Blissex, thats what i thought...i've tried it with 2 mpeg's now
[08:02] <DarthFrog> Pyre: tell Fl-i-nT linintro
[08:02] <Pyre> Fl-i-nT: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
[08:02] <Blissex> Slackman: however, look at the 'Depends' or 'Suggests' of your media player, almost surely it will list the MPEG libraries that it may need.
[08:03] <madstop> (Fl-i-nT, do the reading, keep reading this channel, have fun, it's worth the effort, enjoy.)
[08:03] <Slackman> Blissex, i did an apt-cache search mpeg and installed everything that came up
[08:03] <Fl-i-nT> geez its hard to be one of the youngest arround here as i know next to zilch
[08:03] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: We all started as newbies.
[08:04] <LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, what programs ?
[08:04] <tritium> Fl-i-nT, you're doing fine.  Keep it up!  :)
[08:04] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: You'll be helping folks out in no time at all.
[08:04] <klo> thanx darthfrog found what i was looking for, a la prochaine
[08:05] <DarthFrog> klo:  Your welcome.
[08:05] <Fl-i-nT> DrathFrog, Hopefully
[08:05] <madstop> I love this Pyre thing -- is that new?
[08:05] <Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, X-chat and the interntet browser
[08:05] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: You'll learn a lot from that URL that I had Pyre give  you.
[08:05] <odie5533> Why can't I navigate to applications:/// ?
[08:05] <Fl-i-nT> tritium, thankx
[08:05] <DarthFrog> madstop: It's apokryphos' bot.
[08:05] <tritium> Fl-i-nT, of course, buddy :)
[08:06] <LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, ok hit alt+F2 and type xchat (it will autocomplete for you as you type)
[08:06] <LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, programs just don't dissappear for no reason :)
[08:07] <madstop> I need one of those bots to hover in the air next to me at work...
[08:07] <madstop> Pyre : tell boss she's nuts!
[08:08] <odie5533> How do I change files in the Applications menu?
[08:08] <Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, i think it crashed
[08:08] <DarthFrog> odie5533: You don't, unless you're running KDE.
[08:08] <LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, ok that's someting different
[08:08] <DarthFrog> odie5533: in KDE, you can use kmenuedit.
[08:08] <Myrtti> what are you trying to do, Fl-i-nT?
[08:08] <odie5533> I'm in Gnome
[08:08] <odie5533> Hmm that seems like a practical feature =/
[08:09] <DarthFrog> odie5533: yeah, but it would be a configuration option.  That's anathema to Gnomes.
[08:09] <Fl-i-nT> Myrtti, just to try and find out why 2 of my programmes i was running suddenly desspeared(presuemed crashed) with no warning
[08:09] <Myrtti> oh
[08:09] <madstop> try kubuntu, odie5533
[08:09] <odie5533> isn't that KDE?
[08:09] <arek> odie5533: just rightclick and you can change it
[08:10] <madstop> yep, it's kde with the ubuntu treatment
[08:10] <madstop> kde for people who thought they didn't like kde
[08:10] <snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 but i can only list the dir as root, what is wrong ?
[08:10] <arek> kde sucks
[08:10] <lok> what is gam_server ?
[08:10] <odie5533> Isn't Gnome better than KDE though
[08:10] <odie5533> KDE was always slow for me on SuSe
[08:10] <tritium> it's all a matter of personal preference
[08:10] <Myrtti> odie5533: that's personal, some like mothers, some like daughters
[08:10] <odie5533> What are you using tritium?
[08:10] <Myrtti> some like KDE
[08:11] <madstop> kubuntu is very very unlike other kde installs I've tried
[08:11] <arek> kde looks like windows and is not gnu
[08:11] <tritium> personally, I use gnome
[08:11] <zenwhen> gnome here
[08:11] <madstop> it doesn't look like windows.
[08:11] <DarthFrog> arek: KDE is GPL-compatible.
[08:11] <odie5533> KDE reminded me a bit much of windows...
[08:11] <arek> it does
[08:11] <Myrtti> there is a menu editor coming up soonfor Gnome
[08:11] <odie5533> like a cheap takeoff...
[08:11] <madstop> unless you want it to.
[08:11] <Quinn_Storm> kde looks like what you want, is gpl-compat, is Free Software (wouldn't be in Debian otherwise), and news for ya, Linux isn't GNU either...you want Hurd for that
[08:11] <arek> DarthFrog: ??? is it gpl or not?
[08:11] <arek> its not
[08:11] <LinuxJones> Myrtti, yeah it's being worked on
[08:11] <sandwitch> qt is not gpl compatible
[08:12] <DarthFrog> arek: A lot of it is GPL.
[08:12] <kent> snk00sj,  change the "gid=XXX" to the gid you have. Run  the command "id" in a terminal, and it should print your gid.
[08:12] <zenwhen> only windows qt is not gpl compatible
[08:12] <arek> yah
[08:12] <arek> rubbish
[08:12] <Quinn_Storm> actually I think they finally are gonna release windows qt under gpl
[08:12] <Quinn_Storm> but I could be wrong
[08:12] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: yes, qt is GPL-compatible.  It's been annointed by St. IGNUcius himself.
[08:12] <arek> windows gtk is gpl
[08:12] <sandwitch> that 's new
[08:12] <sandwitch> happy to hear that
[08:13] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: No, not new.
[08:13] <sandwitch> to me it is :)
[08:13] <odie5533> gpl that good eh?
[08:13] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: it's a poor day when you don't learn something new. :-)
[08:13] <odie5533> Why would one care if its gpl or not? I don't see how it matters for everyday use
[08:13] <DarthFrog> odie5533: It's a religious issue. :-)
[08:13] <odie5533> Ah (looks into this new cult) :D
[08:14] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Not new. :-)
[08:14] <arek> odie5533: yes GPL rocks, anything not fully gpl should not be used in linux world
[08:14] <odie5533> what about Java? why'd ubuntu make it so hard to install?
[08:14] <madstop> I don't know why it's an issue at all; depends on what you want to do, not just on the esthetics, or look and feel or whatever.
[08:14] <DarthFrog> arek: Whoa, there big fellow.  That's going way too far.
[08:14] <sandwitch> hmz lemme browse your harddisk arek
[08:14] <odie5533> One of the main reasons I'm on Linux is I hear the Java programming is better here ;)
[08:14] <SeeleyUSMC> Woo!  My MD5sum checks okay with the hoary install this time...time to burn baby burn!
[08:15] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, :)
[08:15] <tritium> disco inferno!
[08:15] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Good luck.  Welcome to the Light Side of The Force.
[08:15] <arek> sandwitch: i dont have to all i got is gpl
[08:15] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:15] <kent> snk00sj, did you get my message?
[08:18] <Kikyo1> Hello :)
[08:18] <zenrox> hello
[08:18] <bsdskin> howdy
[08:18] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:20] <Kikyo1> I'm having a problem, and could need some assistance:
[08:20] <Kikyo1> I have two .AVI files, and two .SUB files... When I run them in Totem the video and sound is good, but I can't run subtitles there (atleast not that I know of.) And in MPlayer the subtitles are ugly, the video won't "stretch" in fullscreen, and the sound doesn't work. And when I tried Kaffeine it asked for subtitles when I loaded the videos, but, the subtitles didn't show when playing the movie. (Although the video and audio were great.)
[08:21] <Kikyo1> Any tips on how to get this movie running? :)
[08:21] <klo> i get the same problem
[08:21] <klo> no idea
[08:21] <zenrox> Kikyo1,  tay installing gxine
[08:21] <zenrox> try
[08:21] <klo> yeah
[08:22] <Kikyo1> Ah, thanks. :)
[08:22] <Kikyo1> Just write "sudo apt-get install gxine" ?
[08:22] <zenrox> and make shure w32codecs are installed
[08:22] <madstop> xine rocks
[08:22] <zenrox> Kikyo1, yep
[08:22] <Kikyo1> Hm.. would the w32codecs affect the subtitles though?
[08:22] <zenrox> read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:22] <Kikyo1> because in kaffeine I got excellent sound and video..
[08:22] <SeeleyUSMC> Are there any DVD copying programs for Ubuntu out there?
[08:22] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-09-05-001-21-OP-LF-KE
[08:22] <zenrox> SeeleyUSMC, dvdrip
[08:22] <WebMaven> Are there ubuntu devs here?
[08:23] <WebMaven> The python included in Hoary seems to be missing part of the standard lib.
[08:23] <zenrox> WebMaven,  chack out #ubuntu-devel
[08:23] <WebMaven> thx
[08:23] <zenrox> n/p
[08:23] <bsdskin> I got a question if anyone's around:  been testing hoary for a while now.    at the latest big update a day or so ago, xorg won't load (signal 11).  I've checked forums and even update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade don't do the trick.  reconfiguring doesn't seem to help either.  any ideas?
[08:24] <klo> some ubuntuguide in french or spanish???
[08:24] <kaouete> bsdskin: make a bug report
[08:24] <zenrox> klo, maby
[08:24] <kaouete> bsdskin: and check bugzilla before :] 
[08:24] <sandwitch> that 's a lot of reading DarthFrog brb :)
[08:24] <nic__> LinuxJones, sorry I've troubles with freenode
[08:25] <nic__> LinuxJones, did you answer something?
[08:25] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: Just the article.  Don't bother with the comments.
[08:26] <sandwitch> so if the kde-devs allow all of qt is gpl ?
[08:27] <Kikyo1> Hm.. I installed gxine but the subtitles still won't show.. perhaps there's a problem with my fonts?
[08:28] <eyequeue> isn't that up to trolltech?
[08:28] <Slackman> sandwitch, qt is controlled by trolltech
[08:28] <Fl-i-nT> Reading the Manuals is abit hard hehe i only understand about 70% of all mentioned there
[08:28] <Slackman> sandwitch, it wasn't originally gpl...but now its dual license
[08:28] <Slackman> with one of those being GPL
[08:29] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: You will learn in time, young padawan.
[08:29] <sandwitch> so everybody can use qtkib ?
[08:29] <eyequeue> Fl-i-nT:  that is a reasonable start
[08:29] <Amaranth> Yeah, as long as whatever you make with it is GPL.
[08:29] <sandwitch> s/qtkib/qtlib/
[08:29] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: Yes.
[08:29] <sandwitch> that's cool
[08:30] <Amaranth> You have to pay trolltech a license fee to make non-GPL'ed apps with it. GTK+ doesn't have that restriction, being LGPL.
[08:30] <sandwitch> i didn't know that
[08:30] <sandwitch> I domnt care about non-gpl
[08:31] <sandwitch> so that 's good news
[08:31] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: RMS prefers Gnome, because it's a GNU project. That seems natural enough.  And he's openly stated that KDE & QT are fully free software.
[08:31] <zenrox> why would any one use a progam with the name troll in it
[08:31] <odie5533> If I sell free software that I made entirely myself, and sell it under GPL, can people resell it?
[08:31] <Kikyo1> "ichi.cd1.lng.avi" -> "ichi.cd1.lng.idx" -> "ichi.cd1.lng.sub"
[08:31] <Kikyo1> "ichi.cd2.lng.avi" -> "ichi.cd2.lng.idx" -> "ichi.cd2.lng.sub"
[08:31] <Kikyo1> These are the files for the movie; and the only media player that has shown the subtitles to me has been MPlayer.. gxine, totem and kaffeine didnt work. Any tips on why? I'd preferably not play the movie with MPlayer. :) Thanks in advance.
[08:31] <Amaranth> odie5533: Yes.
[08:31] <odie5533> That makes no sense
[08:31] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.  The GPL disallows restrictions on redistribution other than under the GPL.
[08:31] <odie5533> I would get a single sale
[08:31] <caliber> Can someone tell me how to fix the TIME on my machine?  It thinks its 9:30AM, when its actually 2:30PM
[08:32] <odie5533> then that would be it?
[08:32] <eyequeue> odie5533:  selling isn't prohibited by the gpl, if you are asking that
[08:32] <odie5533> No no, I know it isn't
[08:32] <Amaranth> odie5533: You sell it to one person and they can give it away to everyone else for free, yes.
[08:32] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Not necessarily. You would make bux with support.
[08:32] <dabi> what are the minium requirements to install ubuntu hoarty as server?
[08:32] <odie5533> Not in the community I'm in
[08:32] <odie5533> I would make a single sale
[08:32] <odie5533> and get no support
[08:32] <SeanQ> Caliber: I'll tell ya in PM..don't want to disrupt current discussion.
[08:32] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Not only that, but you're obliged to give away the source code, too.
[08:32] <caliber> SeanQ: thanks
[08:32] <Amaranth> odie5533: But since you wrote it you should know how it works more than anyone else and you be able to fix bugs and support it better than anyone else.
[08:33] <sandwitch> well i'm glad that qt is gpl still won't use it but i'm glad :)
[08:33] <DarthFrog> odie5533: The GPL doesn't work in all cases.
[08:33] <Kikyo1> Could anyone please help me a little? Sorry for being a newbic-bother.
[08:33] <odie5533> Yeah, I wish it did...
[08:33] <DarthFrog> Kikyo1: Ask away.
[08:33] <eyequeue> sandwitch:  i agree with your sentiment on that i believe
[08:33] <odie5533> It's really meant for fully free software, which offers donations but doesn't force them I guess
[08:33] <Slackman> sandwitch, qt is very easy to program with compared to GTK IMHO
[08:33] <DarthFrog> sandwitch: That's OK.  At least you're making a choice based on correct info.
[08:33] <sandwitch> Kikyo1, shoot i'm not a ubuntu guru but i 'll try anyway
[08:34] <sandwitch> Slackman, i'm to stupid to program :P
[08:34] <Amaranth> Slackman: Depends on your style.
[08:34] <Slackman> Amaranth, yeh true
[08:34] <Kikyo1> I have three files per "cd" of the movie. cd1.avi cd1.idx cd1.sub and the sabe for cd2.. when I play with totem/gxine/kaffeine the video and audio is great, but the subtitles won't show. And in MPlayer the subtitles show (although they are bad) but the audio and video sucks :P
[08:35] <odie5533> If I release free software under GPL, can semeone change my source code, compile, and then sell only the compilation not under GPL?
[08:35] <Amaranth> I can stand doing a little C work, hate C++, and love doing everything in Python if I can so GTK is best for me.
[08:35] <DarthFrog> odie5533: No.  The GPL is designed to specifically prevent that.
[08:35] <eyequeue> OddAbe19:  they can not lock up what you have freed
[08:35] <sandwitch> hmz maybe you miss alib for xine ?
[08:35] <DarthFrog> odie5533: The BSD license permits it, though.
[08:35] <odie5533> Ah ok, thats good
[08:36] <DarthFrog> Which is why MS loves the BSD license and loathes the GPL.
[08:36] <odie5533> BSD doesn't sound good then ;)
[08:36] <DarthFrog> odie5533: They have different goals.
[08:36] <Slackman> Amaranth, pythons nice...but i prefer C++ or Objective C to standard C so i guess why i'm more at home with qt
[08:36] <nic__> do you know which distrib I could try for my sis :)
[08:36] <Amaranth> BSD is freedom to developers, GPL is freedom to the code
[08:36] <Amaranth> Slackman: Yeah, that makes sense.
[08:37] <Amaranth> nic__: You're asking the #ubuntu channel what distro you should use?
[08:37] <DarthFrog> odie5533: The BSD developers want their code to be used.  The GPL developers want to increase the amount of free software available.
[08:37] <Slackman> Amaranth, is GTK+ any more mature now? when i first tried to use it I struggled but it was a long time ago
[08:37] <Kikyo1> Darthfrog, any tips of why the subtitles aren't showing up ?
[08:38] <Amaranth> Slackman: err, I've only been using it since 2.2
[08:38] <Kikyo1> Do you think it might be the fonts?
[08:38] <nic__> Amaranth, yes because I think something like ubuntu would be nice
[08:38] <nic__> but I'm maybe wrong
[08:38] <vaijr2002> can someone walk me through or give me a link to setting up mysql admin acct please
[08:38] <DarthFrog> Kikyo1: Sorry, no.
[08:38] <Amaranth> nic__: I'll give you two guesses what answer you're going to get but you'll only need one. :P
[08:38] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: check /usr/share/doc/mysql
[08:38] <nic__> Amaranth, are u telling me all ppl here only know one distrib?
[08:39] <apokryphos> nic__: it depends on what you're looking for. What are you looking for?
[08:39] <Amaranth> nic__: I'm telling you they'll all say Ubuntu is best for newbies.
[08:39] <vaijr2002> oh ok thanks
[08:39] <apokryphos> nic__: a "good distribution" is too broad, as there are several.
[08:39] <vaijr2002> brb
[08:39] <DarthFrog> nic__: No, he's telling you that it's not exactly rational to come onto an Ubuntu support channel and expect us to recommend anything else. :-)
[08:39] <nic__> a distrib for my sis :) what I like in ubuntu is that its gnome is quite user friendly
[08:39] <nic__> more than in arch
[08:40] <sandwitch> show us your sis nic__
[08:40] <nic__> so I thought it would be better for her
[08:40] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
[08:40] <Amaranth> sandwitch: ...
[08:40] <eyequeue> nic__:  how are we to know if your sister prefers openbsd?
[08:40] <apokryphos> nic__: Though it wasn't mine, Ubuntu is a good place to start because of the plethora of guides/help etc. online.
[08:40] <nic__> sandwitch, after u help me
[08:40] <sandwitch> with what ?
[08:40] <Amaranth> eyequeue: openbsd isn't a different distro, it's a different OS
[08:40] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  exactly
[08:40] <apokryphos> nic__: there isn't a graphical installation, but past that you're quite right -- it's very user-friendly.
[08:40] <Kikyo1> Thanks tho
[08:40] <Kikyo1> Good bye
[08:41] <Fl-i-nT> IS it normal to when you read the manuals after abit you half forget what you read stuff 30 minutes ago???
[08:41] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  he's given us zero to go on
[08:41] <nic__> apokryphos, I'm only talking about the usage
[08:41] <Amaranth> Fl-i-nT: Yep. :P
[08:41] <nic__> apokryphos, I do the rest
[08:41] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
[08:41] <apokryphos> nic__: well, ubu should be just fine. Are you using it?
[08:41] <Amaranth> Fl-i-nT: I've been reading the same API references (programming manuals) for years and I still have to keep looking things up.
[08:41] <nic__> me no
[08:42] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  well, unless we're to presume some sexist limitation based on gender or such
[08:42] <nic__> apokryphos, but her laptop had hoary. some apps were bugged so I tried warty. and it's worse
[08:42] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Use it or lose it.  So, yes, rereading is very common.
[08:42] <nic__> apokryphos, so now I'm looking for another distrib
[08:42] <Fl-i-nT> Amaranth, its annoying isnt it when you try to take it in
[08:42] <DarthFrog> nic__: Try Xandros.
[08:42] <apokryphos> nic__: support for Laptops is better in Hoary, I've heard.
[08:43] <nic__> DarthFrog, hmm I wanted to try that too but I was a bit afraid
[08:43] <apokryphos> nic__: so you're here asking for a distro apart from ubuntu?
[08:43] <vaijr2002> eh darth nuttin in there
[08:43] <vaijr2002> i see the english docs but no how to readme
[08:43] <nic__> apokryphos, if you know one
[08:43] <apokryphos> nic__: Fedora is good, if you like gnome.
[08:43] <sandwitch> livecd or install nic__ ?
[08:43] <apokryphos> (not bad if you don't)
[08:43] <nic__> sandwitch, install
[08:43] <madstop> hoary is much friendlier to my laptops, one crappy the other new amd64, than warty
[08:43] <DarthFrog> nic__: What are you afraid of?  Xandos is very easy.
[08:43] <vaijr2002> just the error msg text
[08:44] <nic__> apokryphos, I could try it. I think gnome is fine coz she's used to it
[08:44] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
[08:44] <sandwitch> with root for your sis ? Who prob dont know nothing of linux ?
[08:44] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
[08:44] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
[08:44] <dabi> hey.. is there any program what notices me if somebody connects to my port 80?
[08:44] <apokryphos> nic__: other desktop environments don't take long getting used to, but Gnome's not bad, so if she's comfortable with that, sure.
[08:44] <nic__> DarthFrog, I just saw there was a poor wifi support, and not a lot of packages
[08:44] <eyequeue> goxy:  not if you repeat
[08:44] <apokryphos> nic__: Fedora is quite user-friendly, too.
[08:44] <goxy> ok
[08:45] <nic__> apokryphos, ok thx, I'll try that
[08:45] <DarthFrog> nic__: Xandros is a debian-variant.  The whole of Debian is available to Xandros users.
[08:45] <sandwitch> gotta go later
[08:45] <nic__> DarthFrog, ha really? I didn't even know that :p
[08:45] <DarthFrog> dabi: You could use netstat or snort.
[08:45] <JDahl> DarthFrog, isnt Xandros commercial?
[08:45] <nic__> DarthFrog, but its kde
[08:45] <madstop> nic_ stuff is getting updated and fixed (I presume) at what seems a very fast rate to me, patience might be worthwhile; buggy stuff may start working great very soon
[08:45] <nic__> DarthFrog, there is a free version
[08:45] <nic__> oops
[08:46] <DarthFrog> JDahl: Yes.  But it has a free version.
[08:46] <nic__> JDahl,
[08:46] <odie5533> Is there a TTS engine for linux?
[08:46] <nic__> its limited though
[08:46] <DarthFrog> nic__: You'll get no argument from me about using KDE. :-)
[08:46] <cavediver> Hi!
[08:46] <apokryphos> odie5533: kde has one; it was the "big" feature; kdeaccessibility.
[08:46] <nic__> madstop, well
[08:46] <dabi> DarthFrog: netstat isnt good because have to check my self.. and i want that it notices me automatically and shows the ip... where can i get snort?
[08:46] <cavediver> What's the name of the cpu frequency scaling daemon that i can use with amd cool & quiet?
[08:46] <odie5533> None for gnome? :D
[08:47] <eyequeue> bugzilla odie5533
[08:47] <eyequeue>          Trouble Ticketing System
[08:47] <cavediver> And does it work now, last time i used it it was a bit buggy.
[08:47] <DarthFrog> dabi: Can you apt-get it ?
[08:47] <nic__> madstop, I could try something else till hoary is released
[08:47] <apokryphos> odie5533: I wouldn't know, sorry. They might do.
[08:47] <dabi> DarthFrog: oh yes.. ty.. does this have autom. notice?
[08:47] <DarthFrog> dabi: I did a search in synaptic for snort.  It's there.
[08:48] <goxy> intel 536ep modem not works i compile driver and make symlinks its not work
[08:48] <nic__> madstop, but I've a problem. there is 2 gig of data to transfer each time. there is only usb 1 so its way too slow with an external hard drive
[08:48] <DarthFrog> dabi: Don't know.  But it's an intrusion detection system.
[08:48] <Fl-i-nT> Damn i jsut forgot what the command was to get packages from a terminal apt-get is it?
[08:48] <DarthFrog> dabi: you can probably have it send you email.
[08:48] <madstop> yep, nic_.  You never know.  I was going to bail, till I realized how well hoary amd64 with kubuntu .  Now I'm sticking with this.
[08:48] <nic__> madstop, I can transfer it from my local network, but it isnt a lot faster. have u a better idea?
[08:48] <goxy> mybe somebody tell me where to find deb for Intel 536ep
[08:48] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Type "man apt-get" at the console.
[08:49] <goxy> or deb for minicom
[08:49] <goxy> or something
[08:49] <madstop> nope, sorry nic_.  I don't.  I'm very new at all this stuff myself.
[08:49] <dabi> DarthFrog: hmm.. thats hmm stupid.. :P because im using my pc as an server and desktop same time so whats the point? but ill try.. thanx
[08:50] <madstop> Fl-i-nt, remember you need to sudo with that-- "sudo apt-get update" etc
[08:50] <guerreb> Bonsoir
[08:50] <madstop> Fl-i-nT, have you used the synaptic package manager yet?  That might be easier at first.
[08:51] <madstop> bonsoir, guerreb
[08:51] <madstop> bienvenue
[08:51] <nic__> is hoary preview better than last array cd?
[08:52] <eyequeue> nic__:  what do you expect? they intended to show off breakage? :)
[08:52] <LordGrunt> hi
[08:52] <Baptiste> I've had an idea
[08:52] <DarthFrog> madstop: Yes, it'll be easier.  But he's 14.  Time to throw him in the deep end. :-)
[08:52] <Baptiste> it seems that it lacks a sort of menudrake
[08:52] <Amaranth> menudrake?
[08:52] <Baptiste> a program which would add automatically programs in the gnome menu
[08:52] <Baptiste> in Mandrake
[08:52] <Baptiste> The problem with ubuntu
[08:52] <DarthFrog> Amaranth: That's a system util in Mandrake.
[08:52] <Amaranth> oh, you want a menu editor?
[08:53] <nic__> eyequeue, huh?
[08:53] <madstop> heh heh; in that case, how about having him use aptitude instead, DarthFrog --;-)
[08:53] <Slackman> hi guys Despite apt-get install_ing everything with mpeg,mp3 in the name i still get this with totem
[08:53] <Amaranth> Baptiste: It's a problem with the next version of Mandrake too.
[08:53] <Slackman> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
[08:53] <Slackman> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1
[08:53] <DarthFrog> madstop: Nope.  dselect!!!
[08:53] <Baptiste> yes
[08:53] <Amaranth> Baptiste: It's a GNOME 2.10 thing, not a distro thing.
[08:53] <Baptiste> yes
[08:53] <Baptiste> padron
[08:53] <Baptiste> pardon
[08:53] <DarthFrog> Baptiste: If you install KDE, you have kmenuedit.
[08:53] <Baptiste> yes
[08:53] <LordGrunt> after upgrade to hoary, i have a bit of mess, cause xorg replaced xfree. but as it seems it didnt do that fully. my nvidia drivers partially see (or use) xfree as its x server. how to make it working normally?
[08:53] <Amaranth> Baptiste: If you want a menu editor http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ works in a limited capacity.
[08:54] <Baptiste> ok
[08:54] <Baptiste> tanks
[08:54] <nic__> its the only thing I find very dumb in gnome
[08:54] <nic__> of course kde is a lot better on that point
[08:54] <goxy> intel 536ep modem not works i compile driver and make symlinks its not work
[08:54] <Amaranth> what point?
[08:54] <nic__> its too bad :)
[08:54] <nic__> menu
[08:54] <Amaranth> they use the same menu system now
[08:54] <Baptiste> however
[08:54] <Baptiste> the menu of kde
[08:54] <DarthFrog> madstop: dselect is the single most hideous piece of software that it's ever been my misfortune to have to use.  Worse yet, I had to teach it to a class!
[08:54] <Amaranth> KDE switched earlier so they have the problems fixed
[08:54] <Baptiste> is not very well organized
[08:55] <Baptiste> with parameters, configurations, etc
[08:55] <madstop> googling dselect...
[08:55] <Amaranth> actually, KDE's menu system is about the same as the spec, from what i've heard
[08:55] <nic__> Amaranth, damn I suck, I still didnt see how to edit/update gnome menu
[08:55] <Baptiste> yes
[08:55] <DarthFrog> madstop: Just run it from a root console.
[08:56] <madstop> Baptiste, if you haven't tried "kubuntu", the ubuntu-intended version of kde, you might be pleasantly surprised-- it's very tastefully done, less overkill.
[08:56] <Baptiste> oh
[08:56] <Baptiste> hum
[08:56] <madstop> do I have to, DarthFrog ? ;-)
[08:56] <Baptiste> it doesn't exist a stable version?
[08:56] <vaijr2002> grrr i cant get this mysql admin thing setup
[08:56] <vaijr2002> me lost
[08:56] <DarthFrog> madstop: Up to you. :-)
[08:56] <Baptiste> tanks Madstop
[08:57] <Amaranth> Baptiste: kubuntu is at the same stage as the hoary preview
[08:57] <Baptiste> ok
[08:57] <madstop> DarthFrog, I'll try it on what I call my deathwish laptop...
[08:57] <Amaranth> Baptiste: almost ready to be called stable, still has a couple of little issues
[08:57] <kent> Will the official Ubuntu Hoary come in a dvd-version?
[08:57] <DarthFrog> Baptiste: There is a #kubuntu for discussion about KDE & Ubuntu.
[08:57] <Baptiste> ok
[08:57] <madstop> je vous en prie, Baptiste
[08:57] <Amaranth> kent: Why do you need a DVD version?
[08:57] <Baptiste> oui
[08:57] <vaijr2002> can someone help please
[08:57] <Baptiste> pardon Madstop
[08:57] <vaijr2002> i need to create a database
[08:57] <Amaranth> eek, you guys speak french
[08:58] <vaijr2002> and make an admin acct
[08:58] <DarthFrog> madstop: dselect is a curses-based package manager for Debian systems.
[08:58] <Amaranth> or should i say you guys speak 'freedom'? :)
[08:58] <Baptiste> he speeks french very well
[08:58] <kent> Amaranth, well.. it might be handy. It could have a larger set of application to be installed by default :)
[08:58] <madstop> Baptiste, hoary is in very good shape for an "unstable" release, I think others would agree
[08:58] <Baptiste> I had yet trayed it
[08:58] <JDahl> DarthFrog, why recommend dselect over aptitude?
[08:58] <Amaranth> kent: One of the main points about Ubuntu is that it isn't bloated, why do you want to add that?
[08:59] <Amaranth> dselect is shite
[08:59] <DarthFrog> JDahl: So that the newbie can experience the horror! :-)
[08:59] <JDahl> dselect is worse than shite
[08:59] <LinuxJones> goxy, I don't know if this helps but have a look >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6199.html
[08:59] <madstop> ah!  DarthFrog, thank you.  heh heh, two terms that I found intriguing when first venturing into linux land-- "curses" and "bicycle-repair..."
[08:59] <kent> Amaranth, becaus some people might like to have more programs installed by default? One CD is not that much..
[08:59] <Baptiste> tanks for all. Merci pour tout!
[09:00] <Baptiste> I will take a look on #kubuntu
[09:00] <DarthFrog> Baptiste: Tu es bienvenue.
[09:00] <Baptiste> Merci!
[09:00] <Amaranth> I don't know what that means!
[09:00] <Amaranth> thank you?
[09:00] <Baptiste> Ubuntu is a very good distribution
[09:00] <Baptiste> Good bye
[09:00] <JDahl> DarthFrog, but aptitude! that's a nice program...
[09:00] <snk00sj> on parle francais ici ?
[09:00] <Amaranth> oh
[09:00] <DarthFrog> Amaranth: It means "You're welcome".  In joual.
[09:00] <Baptiste> a bit
[09:00] <Baptiste> yes
[09:00] <Baptiste> o en espanol! ole
[09:00] <Baptiste> :-D
[09:01] <DarthFrog> JDahl: Agreed.
[09:01] <Levian> hey all, is there some specific package I need to get php working with mysql?
[09:01] <Baptiste> I don't know the chinese language
[09:01] <madstop>  a bientot Baptiste
[09:01] <Amaranth> habla espanol?
[09:01] <Baptiste> :-D
[09:01] <Amaranth> or something like that
[09:01] <Myrtti> snk00sj: no, English on the channel, other languages on other ubuntu related channels or by /query
[09:01] <Baptiste> A bientt et merci!
[09:01] <Baptiste> Bonne soire!
[09:01] <madstop> moi, je parle un peu de chinois...
[09:01] <DarthFrog> Baptiste: De rein.
[09:01] <Myrtti> tai minkin voin ruveta puhumaan suomea tll ja haukkua kaikki pataluhiksi
[09:01] <Levian> I think something is missing since it says the function isnt recgonized
[09:01] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:01] <Myrtti> pls
[09:01] <odie5533> What is a standard place to install things?
[09:01] <Myrtti> English
[09:02] <DarthFrog> OK, whose got the babelfish today? :-)
[09:02] <madstop> Finnish is very cool looking.
[09:02] <Amaranth>    
[09:02] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:02] <odie5533> I can see arabic?
[09:02] <madstop> nice font!
[09:02] <odie5533> woah
[09:02] <madstop> I'm impressed
[09:02] <Amaranth> showing off the nice language support
[09:02] <Amaranth> i don't know what i said
[09:03] <odie5533> Where does one store new programs, as in where do they install normally?
[09:03] <Myrtti> /topic English | Ubuntu Help etc
[09:03] <DarthFrog> Amaranth: That's OK,  None of us do, either.
[09:03] <SeanQ> LMAO @ madstop.
[09:03] <Myrtti> odie5533: if you do installing by synaptic, you don't need to worry about that
[09:03] <lewiz> Is there any way I can set a global default mixer channel as the master?  My laptop uses master mono, not master.  Also -- I need to disable the external amplifier for it to work -- is there any way I can set this globally?
[09:03] <odie5533> I can't install with synaptic =/
[09:03] <gaulois> #ubuntu.de
[09:04] <Myrtti> you can't? that's odd
[09:04] <mjr> Amaranth, 
[09:04] <odie5533> It's an sh file
[09:04] <mjr> :)
[09:04] <Amaranth> mjr: hebrew?
[09:04] <Amaranth> russian?
[09:04] <mjr> russian
[09:04] <DarthFrog> odie5533: You can use "dpkg -L (packagename)" to see what was installed.  Or "dpkg --info (package name)" to see what is in an uninstalled package.
[09:04] <madstop> personally, I like to see a mix of languages in a channel; just ignore what I don't understand.  I need to do that nine-tenths of the time on here anyway... ;-)
[09:04] <odie5533> Its a sh install file, it generates an uninstall script, but it also requires me to specify an install directory?
[09:05] <Amaranth> madstop: eh, we try to keep them seperate because people abuse it
[09:05] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Any stuff like that you install should go in /usr/local/
[09:05] <Myrtti> not to mention how rude it is to whisper in a crowd
[09:05] <Myrtti> or talk s**t about other people behind their back
[09:06] <Myrtti> which is what happens if everyone starts to use their native language
[09:06] <madstop> Jesus, Myrtti, all I saw was very trivial greetings, etc.  Chill.
[09:06] <odie5533> it wants to install to /opt/? Or should I just install to /usr/local?
[09:07] <DarthFrog> odie5533: personal stuff and your data should go in your home directory.  Any software you install outside of the package management system should go in /opt or /usr/local.
[09:07] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Just be consistent.
[09:07] <odie5533> ok
[09:07] <Myrtti> madstop: naivity located, inserting "G-man"
[09:07] <lewiz> In fact... is there a default location for mixer config files or should I just go ahead and add stuff to some rc.local script?
[09:07] <madstop> I have no idea what that means, Myrtti.  English please.
[09:08] <LinuxJones> lewiz, are you using alsa for sound ?
[09:08] <DarthFrog> lewiz: well, config files belong in /etc.
[09:08] <Myrtti> but of course, the real reason is that the amount of help is shrinken if this channel would become the tower of Babel
[09:08] <desrt> madstop; ybbx ng zr.  v'z fnlvat fbzrguvat nobhg Myrtti gb naabl uvz :)
[09:08] <Myrtti> madstop: you really don't want to know
[09:09] <lewiz> LinuxJones: Yes.
[09:09] <LinuxJones> lewiz, gnome isn't saving your mixer settings ?
[09:09] <Levian> anyone good with php and mysql in here?
[09:09] <madstop> Myrtti, you're using up a hell of a lot more space and time complaining about a few phrases than the "offence" itself used.
[09:09] <savetheclocktowe> Levian: somewhat
[09:09] <Slackman> Levian, yeh
[09:09] <Levian> I install mysql and php with apt-get
[09:09] <lewiz> LinuxJones: Doesn't seem to.  I switched from OSS to ALSA (it remember that) but it doesn't remember my master mono volume settings, or the fact that I have the amplifier off.
[09:09] <Levian> and when I try to connect it says the connect function isnt recgonized
[09:10] <Levian> is there some sort of library I need to get that wooking?
[09:10] <Levian> working*
[09:10] <savetheclocktowe> Levian: check the PHP/MySQL section at http://ubuntuguide.org, if you haven't already
[09:10] <JDahl> Levian, if you installed your own webserver (apache) you need to install an apache php library also
[09:10] <LinuxJones> lewiz, right click the sound icon on the panel and select properties. You have the correct card selected for your sound ?
[09:10] <Myrtti> desrt: URE
[09:10] <lewiz> LinuxJones: Yep.
[09:10] <desrt> Myrtti; thanks :)
[09:10] <Slackman> Levian, mod_php
[09:11] <savetheclocktowe> Levian: i think the specific package is libapache-mod-php4 from apt-get
[09:11] <savetheclocktowe> but don't hold me to that
[09:11] <Myrtti> desrt: decode it with rot13 yourself
[09:11] <Levian> I will check
[09:11] <LinuxJones> lewiz, ok try running gstreamer-properties and have a peek in there Gnome should be saving your settings for you automatically.
[09:11] <Myrtti> my answer, I mean
[09:11] <desrt> can't be bothered to spend the effort
[09:11] <Kate> hello
[09:11] <desrt> if you want to talk in a language that's not english then that's your own business
[09:11] <savetheclocktowe> hey, on that subject, i'm having trouble with building php5 from source on hoary.  can someone talk me through an error i'm getting?
[09:12] <madstop> hi Kate.
[09:12] <Zugot> anyone here use eagle?
[09:12] <Zugot> er beagle..
[09:12] <sabmoc> OMFG
[09:12] <lewiz> LinuxJones: Hmm.. it's using esound for output.  Should that be ALSA?
[09:12] <savetheclocktowe> "configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h>"
[09:12] <Myrtti> desrt: not him. Her.
[09:12] <Levian> but I think it should be something else since all php scripts work, except for the database connection, but I am only guessing
[09:12] <madstop> No Zugot, but from what I've read, I'd like to try it.  You?
[09:12] <lewiz> LinuxJones: (although it does work now -- just doesn't remember the settings on reboot)
[09:12] <Kate> well im now using an external modem, which is good news
[09:12] <Zugot> madstop, yeah... i'm going to right now
[09:12] <Levian> but I shall check ubuntus homepage, thanks for the link =)
[09:12] <desrt> Myrtti; huh?
[09:13] <Zugot> i was wondering if there was a beagle deb...
[09:13] <sabmoc> inkscape just crashed on me and I lost an hours worth of work !?!?!?!??! gah!
[09:13] <Kate> is inkscape an art program?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Save early, save often.
[09:13] <Myrtti> "I'm saying something about Myrtti to annoy him."
[09:13] <Myrtti> not him. Her.
[09:13] <JDahl> Zugot, apt-cache search beagle doesnt show anything, so probably there isnt
[09:13] <madstop> Let us know how it is, Zugot.  I'm trying to go slow with installing stuff on here, cause I f**k things up so easily...
[09:13] <eyequeue> Kate:  i wondered that too
[09:13] <desrt> Myrtti; oh.  i'm proud for you.
[09:14] <Slackman> Kate, yeh SVG
[09:14] <Zugot> JDahl, you think so small..
[09:14] <madstop> Don't think so, JDahl
[09:14] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, the great part is that I saved right after I finished the ruffing out, then I did all the finer detailing and I just finished, and it crashed. now im back to just a ruff cut. how sad.
[09:14] <Slackman> Kate, inkscape is quite cool
[09:14] <Zugot> i'll be back in a couple of minutes with my findings....
[09:14] <madstop> I mean, Zugot, not JDahl
[09:14] <Kate> eyequeue, im having enough trouble with gimp...
[09:14] <Kate> is it freeware?
[09:15] <sabmoc> Kate, yes, its like illustrator
[09:15] <Kate> cool
[09:15] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Set it up to autosave.
[09:15] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, good plan :)
[09:15] <sabmoc> I get too wraped up to remember to save sometimes
[09:15] <madstop> I'm afraid gimp's interface has always been kind of a strain for me, don't know why
[09:15] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Then you'll only lose a few minutes of work next time.
[09:16] <sabmoc> yeah, autosave every 10 seconds :)
[09:16] <Kate> is the terminal the only way to connect to the internet?
[09:16] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Well, I'd probably  go with every five minutes.
[09:16] <sabmoc> and let me tell you, that was one hell of a breazy badger ! :(
[09:16] <Kate> im really not sure what version im using
[09:17] <JDahl> kate, what do you mean? only way to establish a dialup connection or something?
[09:17] <Usiu> Hi
[09:17] <Kate> yeah, JDahl
[09:17] <Usiu> Why nautilus segfaults on python2.3 ?
[09:17] <Usiu> on libpython2.3
[09:17] <Kate> i have dialup, sadly
[09:18] <Usiu> 0xb6488eff in PyModule_GetDict () from /usr/lib/libpython2.3.so.1.0
[09:18] <drspin> could someone PLEASE help me with partioning and Grub and whatnot??
[09:18] <Hikaru79> drspin, what's the problem?
[09:18] <desrt> drspin; are you just installing?
[09:18] <Usiu> Any help ?
[09:18] <Myrtti> madstop: thanks about the whine about whine. Though I felt like not whining, but trying to explain those people who don't know why this _international_ channel is using _English_. But to keep that space and time from being wasted on the subject or on any of my $.02, I'll go away from the keyboard.
[09:18] <JDahl> kate, fortunately I am not on dialup so I dont know for sure, but I am sure there's a gnome applet for dialup - maybe someone else can chime in?
[09:18] <Kate> cool
[09:18] <drspin> I just deleted my NTFS partition -- had to do it from the Live CD -- I used Fdisk -- when I restarted I get Starting GRUB Error 22 ...
[09:19] <desrt> Myrtti; ciao.
[09:19] <Kate> im googleizing it right now....
[09:19] <Hikaru79> drspin, what is on the other partitions? Windows or Linux or both?
[09:19] <drspin> just linux -- one is linux one is swap
[09:20] <madstop> Myrtti, have a sauna and relax or something, buddy.
[09:20] <JDahl> kate, "apt-cache search dialup" shows a lot of interesting stuff... maybe take a look at gnome-ppp?
[09:20] <slept> drspin: what is error 22 in words
[09:20] <lewiz> LinuxJones: Thanks for your help -- I've fixed it by editing the alsa save state.  It's done the trick for now and I'll figure out why it wasn't saving it later.
[09:20] <Kate> ok
[09:21] <LinuxJones> lewiz, great ;)
[09:21] <drspin> slept, AFAIK it's the equivalent of invalid partition...
[09:21] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, I dont seem to be able to find autosave in the preferences...
[09:21] <Levian> ubuntus guide tells me to install this package: sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
[09:21] <Levian> however it says the package cannot be found
[09:22] <Kate> some people i was talking to last night said it was my modem
[09:22] <Usiu> Can someone tell me why python-nautilus package cause that 0xb6488eff in PyModule_GetDict () from /usr/lib/libpython2.3.so.1.0 ??
[09:22] <Usiu> Any help ?
[09:22] <Usiu> I reinstalled python2.3
[09:23] <Kate> your lucky
[09:23] <Usiu> Anybody having the same problem ?
[09:23] <Kate> python doesnt support my processor
[09:23] <Kate> grrrr
[09:23] <Usiu> what ?
[09:24] <Usiu> :|
[09:24] <JDahl> Kate, what alien computer technology are you using??
[09:24] <Kate> lol
[09:24] <Usiu> lol
[09:24] <Kate> a celeron...
[09:24] <Usiu> lol
[09:24] <Usiu> Kate, who told you that
[09:24] <madstop> I thought a python could swallow anything
[09:24] <slept> drspin : partition numbers might be messed up , you can fix that by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst .  Or boot the system with comandline / edit mode , it has autocompletion - easy to use
[09:24] <Kate> they guy that build the pc
[09:25] <Kate> its version 2.4 though
[09:25] <zenrox> python runs fine on my celron
[09:25] <Usiu> Anyway... anyone can help me ????
[09:25] <drspin> slept, Grub doesn't even get that far...
[09:25] <devmnky> can someone help me with manual package installation ?
[09:25] <Kate> it says that the installation package doesnt support the processor type
[09:25] <Kate> lol
[09:25] <JDahl> Usiu, try stracing your program
[09:25] <slept> drspin : how far does it get ?
[09:25] <drspin> slept, or I would've tried it -- I need to reinstall grub but I get errors that I can't explain
[09:25] <Zotnix> Kate, erm... odd...
[09:25] <drspin> slept, #grub-install /dev/hda
[09:25] <Kate> yeah
[09:25] <JDahl> Usiu, "strace python error_script.py"
[09:25] <zenrox> devmnky,  try sudo dpkg -i the.deb
[09:25] <drspin> slept, mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
[09:26] <slept> drspin : while reinstalling ?
[09:26] <devmnky> ooh, will do zenrox :)
[09:26] <devmnky> thx
[09:26] <Usiu> JDahl, it's a problem with libpython2.3.so
[09:26] <zenrox> h/p
[09:26] <zenrox> n/p
[09:26] <drspin> slept - no that's where it stops when I restart and try and boot off the HD
[09:26] <Usiu> JDahl, python-nautilus call it
[09:26] <Zotnix> Kate, do you use Ubuntu?
[09:26] <Kate> yes
[09:26] <slept> drspin : you don't have to create that dir .
[09:26] <Kate> but im using win xp right now
[09:26] <Zotnix> Kate, do you upgrade via apt-get?
[09:26] <Kate> i havent been able to upgrade yet
[09:27] <slept> drspin : do you get the grub command line ?
[09:27] <Zotnix> Ah
[09:27] <drspin> slept, no
[09:27] <drspin> slept, it won't get that far before telling me "Error 22"
[09:27] <Kate> im trying to fix the internet on it...
[09:27] <zenrox> drspin, you need to reinstall grub
[09:27] <madstop> Does the python stuff come in 32 bit and 64 bit versions?
[09:27] <zenrox> madstop,  yep
[09:27] <drspin> zenrox, yes when I do I get "permission denied" errors for EVERYTHING that it tries to do
[09:27] <Usiu> JDahl, here is the backtrace http://rafb.net/paste/results/pSwMAt21.html
[09:28] <Usiu> JDahl, any ideas ?
[09:28] <drspin> zenrox:$ grub-install /dev/hda
[09:28] <drspin> mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
[09:28] <zenrox> drspin,  hmmm i dont know how to do it
[09:28] <JDahl> Usiu, hold on...
[09:28] <sysrq> dsr_: sudo grub-install...
[09:28] <Dillweed> drspin: sudo grub-install
[09:28] <slept> drspin : you can boot the live cd, then mount your hd , chroot into your partition, mount /proc, apt-get install grub , grubinstall (hd...,...),maybe fix the menu, reboot
[09:28] <zenrox> drspin, try putting a sudo infrount od grub-install
[09:28] <Kate> is there a gnome applet for dialup?
[09:29] <zenrox> od =- of
[09:29] <desrt> slept; concise. :)
[09:29] <drspin> sysrq,$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[09:29] <drspin> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[09:29] <drspin> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:29] <Dillweed> drspin: do you have a /boot dir?
[09:29] <JDahl> Usiu, sorry - I dont know
[09:29] <NeWXeR>   !!!
[09:29] <zenrox> drspin, hows your partions layed out
[09:29] <sysrq> is /boot on the live CD? heh
[09:29] <drspin> slept, lemme give that a try :)
[09:30] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, inkscape rocks
[09:31] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, there is an autosave automatically, it saves the file to the .inkscape folder
[09:31] <sabmoc> so its kind of hidden
[09:31] <devmnky> anyone have experience with ubuntu on toshiba satellite pro laptop ?
[09:31] <sabmoc> and there is nothing in the preferences about autosave
[09:32] <drspin> slept, Dillweed, zenrox: I still get "permission denied over and over and over
[09:33] <Dillweed> are your running grub as root?
[09:33] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: What is inkscape?
[09:33] <slept> drspin : did you reboot, chroot ?
[09:33] <Dillweed> drspin: what are you exactly doing?
[09:33] <NeWXeR>    ?
[09:34] <andrewski> DarthFrog: SVG program, inkscape.org
[09:34] <slept> drspin : sudo su , to become root and then all the other things
[09:34] <desrt> NeWXeR; stop filling the channel with crap
[09:34] <Kate> is the command for connecting to the internet pon?
[09:34] <slept> kate : if you are using ppp
[09:34] <andrewski> sabmoc: aren't they working on adding that to future versions?
[09:34] <Kate> what does that mean?
[09:34] <NeWXeR> I`m Russian
[09:34] <drspin> slept, Dillweed: When I'm in the chroot environment, sudo returns "sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()"
[09:35] <JDahl> btw, I thought Ubuntu didnt use a root account.. then yesterday I installed Hoary preview on a machine, and it actually made a root account
[09:35] <desrt> NeWXeR; nobody uses your character set.  use utf-8 please.
[09:35] <NeWXeR> what &
[09:35] <slept> drspin : did you mount /proc
[09:35] <drspin> slept: yes
[09:35] <Psoulocybe> hello people
[09:36] <NeWXeR> hi
[09:36] <Psoulocybe> anyone want to do some ubuntu warty sound support
[09:36] <desrt> NeWXeR; it's a different way to encode cyrillic characters
[09:36] <DarthFrog> drspin: Is ubuntu your machine's name?
[09:36] <Psoulocybe> i'm at a total loss
[09:36] <drspin> slept, DarthFrog, I'm using the liveCD to reinstall grub on my HD
[09:36] <Kate> ummm
[09:36] <Dillweed> drspin: did you use the livecd to get into chroot?
[09:36] <desrt> NeWXeR; it means that anyone can read them... not just people who have their irc clients set to a russian character encoding
[09:36] <Kate> whats ppp?
[09:36] <drspin> Dillweed, yes
[09:36] <Dillweed> drspin: ok.
[09:37] <andrewski> Psoulocybe: maybe, what kind of card?
[09:37] <Psoulocybe> soundblaster live 24
[09:37] <Dillweed> Kate: point to point protocol
[09:37] <DarthFrog> Kate: Point to Point Protocol.  It's for TCP/IP over a modem.
[09:37] <slept> drspin: did you apt-get install --reinstall grub
[09:37] <drspin> Dillweed, mounted /dev/hda5 sudo chroot /mnt/hda5 sudo no longer works
[09:37] <Kate> ok
[09:37] <andrewski> Psoulocybe: what's the problem?
[09:37] <Psoulocybe> it doesn't work
[09:37] <Psoulocybe> and i have no idea how to trouble shoot
[09:37] <andrewski> Psoulocybe: more specifically?
[09:37] <PacoBCN> weird, my local apache doesn't compile php files anymore but give download option instead
[09:37] <Groil>   ? :)
[09:37] <Kate> ok...
[09:37] <DarthFrog> Psoulocybe: That's an easy one to fix.  Get a new one.
[09:37] <Psoulocybe> well, if i try to use xmms, i get an error
[09:37] <Dillweed> drspin: what directory is  /dev/hda5 mounted?
[09:37] <PacoBCN> anyone helps me to debug this? I'm pretty dizzy now
[09:37] <slept> drspin : from there you don't need sudo anymore you are allready root
[09:37] <desrt> Groil; no :)
[09:38] <Kate> i might be back later
[09:38] <Kate> bye
[09:38] <Psoulocybe> great......
[09:38] <Groil>   ?
[09:38] <andrewski> Psoulocybe: ah, there we go.  can you paste it?
[09:38] <drspin> hmmm how can I turn off the Warty install CD for a repo -- it wants me to put it in and I can't because I'm booted from liveCD
[09:38] <drspin> slept, good to know!
[09:38] <andrewski> drspin: comment out the line in sources.list or uncheck it in synaptic. :)
[09:39] <Psoulocybe> couldn't open audio -  please check that: your soundcard is configured properly    you have the correct output plugin selected    no other program is blocking the soundcard
[09:39] <Groil>  
[09:39] <Psoulocybe> it worked until about a week ago w/ my old hercules muse xl card, but then it died one day.  i figured the card broke... just went and bought this one.
[09:39] <lunitik> drspin: you may want to rethink apt-get'ting things on the LiveCD though... wasted time
[09:39] <NeWXeR>   
[09:39] <Psoulocybe> not it still doesn't work
[09:39] <Groil> 
[09:39] <zenrox> Psoulocybe, what card??
[09:39] <NeWXeR> 
[09:40] <Groil>  
[09:40] <slept> drspin: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the cd with #, then maybe apt-setup to add other sources
[09:40] <Psoulocybe> creative sound blaster live 24 bit
[09:40] <drspin> lunitik, I'm in a chroot environment ;)
[09:40] <Groil>  
[09:40] <drspin> slept, it's reinstalling no
[09:40] <drspin> w
[09:40] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  hmmm
[09:40] <Dillweed> drspin: not run your grub-install dealie
[09:40] <zenrox> Psoulocybe, try a sudo modprobe sb
[09:40] <Dillweed> *now
[09:40] <NeWXeR>         !!!!! :)))
[09:40] <Myrtti> madstop: np, I'm a thickskinned girl
[09:40] <desrt> NeWXeR, Groil; stop filling the channel with garbage
[09:41] <slept> drspin: didn't get it
[09:41] <Groil> 
[09:41] <Psoulocybe> FATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device
[09:41] <drspin> slept - ok it's reinstalled with APT... now run grub-install /dev/hda ??
[09:41] <Slackman> Xappe, have you submitted a bug report for the ibook sleep problem?
[09:41] <Groil>  
[09:41] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  ok hmm
[09:41] <drspin> Psoulocybe, modprobe snd_pcm
[09:41] <NeWXeR>     !! ???
[09:41] <zenrox> drspin,  is right
[09:41] <Psoulocybe> no error
[09:41] <drspin> Psoulocybe, modprobe snd_emu10k1 OR emu_10k1x
[09:41] <NeWXeR>     !! ???
[09:41] <Psoulocybe> it isn't emu_10k1
[09:41] <slept> drspin : grub-install (hd0)
[09:41] <Psoulocybe> http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix
[09:41] <nineBALL> Hello. Um i need help on setting up my usb cable modem on Ubuntu.
[09:42] <Psoulocybe> that shows the chipset this card uses
[09:42] <MCooke> Anyone know when the next release of Ubuntu is likely to be?
[09:42] <Psoulocybe> it uses P17
[09:42] <desrt> nineBALL; is it known to be supported in linux?
[09:42] <drspin> root@ubuntu:/etc/apt # grub-install '(hd0)'
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <PacoBCN> weird, my local apache doesn't compile php files anymore but give download option instead. Any ideas?
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:42] <drspin> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[09:42] <drspin> oops - sorry
[09:42] <nineBALL> desrt: it worked on 3 other linux distros LIVE CD's
[09:42] <desrt> nineBALL; do you happen to know the name of the kernel module?
[09:43] <zenrox> hda0 drspin
[09:43] <arek> PacoBCN: check your php mod
[09:43] <nineBALL> desrt: no, but i think the problem is that it wasnt connected when I installed Ubuntu
[09:43] <desrt> zenrox; hd0 is correct
[09:43] <zenrox> desrt, your right
[09:43] <desrt> nineBALL; even stil, the notplug system should be able to deal with it :/
[09:43] <zenrox> i just read the manuel
[09:43] <DarthFrog> MCooke: In April.
[09:43] <nineBALL> Is there anyway to create a new connection, like in Windoze?
[09:43] <PacoBCN> no, now it doesn't even show me html files
[09:44] <drspin> so why can't I write?
[09:44] <desrt> nineBALL; not as such.  lemme see
[09:44] <slept> drspin : maybe the live-cd has an grub-install aswell, you should try that
[09:44] <Psoulocybe> i'm so fucking close to reinstalling w/ the new kubunut release
[09:44] <PacoBCN> I think it's some kind of default program problem
[09:44] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  thats the easyest way any way
[09:44] <zenrox> lol
[09:44] <desrt> nineBALL; become root
[09:44] <drspin> I've gotten this far before ;) -- and I have tried the LiveCD grub-install also ;)
[09:44] <Psoulocybe> seriously
[09:44] <desrt> nineBALL; then go through this list:
[09:44] <desrt> catc.ko  kaweth.ko  pegasus.ko  rtl8150.ko  usbnet.ko
[09:44] <desrt> modprobe catac
[09:44] <zenrox> Psoulocybe, my opion ya
[09:44] <desrt> one at a time
[09:45] <DarthFrog> drspin: You could create a GRUB boot floppy.
[09:45] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  make shure you make seprate partions on for / and the other for /home
[09:45] <MCooke> Ta. I am evaluating Ubuntu for shipping to S.Africa (and other places) on several thousand refurbished PCs as part of a charity. Currently Ubuntu looks like the best single CD distro to use.
[09:45] <drspin> DarthFrog, one problem -- no floppy drive...
[09:45] <PacoBCN> how do I remove all the MIME type associations?
[09:45] <nineBALL> thanks. i will try that.
[09:45] <desrt> nineBALL; then look in dmesg and see which one is correct (it should be obvious)
[09:45] <Psoulocybe> zenrox, huh?
[09:45] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  that way you dont louse setting in your /home dir
[09:45] <DarthFrog> drspin:  That is a bit of a problem.:-)
[09:45] <drspin> DarthFrog, I threw it out a year or so ago... never EVER used it
[09:45] <desrt> then add the correct module to /etc/modules
[09:45] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  when you reinstall
[09:45] <MCooke> And I was wondering whether to delay the CD pressing or not.
[09:46] <DarthFrog> MCooke: Ubuntu has very strong South African ties.
[09:46] <MCooke> (for the next version)
[09:46] <MCooke> yeah thats probably a good thing
[09:46] <nineBALL> thankies.
[09:46] <MCooke> we may be able to get the UN to makes a few thousand copies.
[09:47] <SeeleyUSMC> Well, I now have Ubuntu Hoary installed.  But I'm having some problems.
[09:47] <ol4l> im trying to set up a dhcpd server at my home network but I keep getting this error "No subnet declaration for eth0" even though eth1 is my LAN interface.
[09:47] <spiral> hi
[09:47] <Psoulocybe> zenrox, i was just going to backup my stuff on cd, then start from scratch
[09:47] <ol4l> any ideas on what to try?
[09:47] <NeWXeR>       ,        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:47] <Groil> 
[09:47] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  is you make seprate partions for /home and / you wont have to back up
[09:47] <mjr> NeWXeR, you're not making any sense to most of us
[09:47] <MCooke> Openoffice takes 2minutes to start on a 64Meg machine, but well thats hardly Ubuntus fault...
[09:47] <Groil>     
[09:47] <drspin> I wish qtparted was on the LiveCD...
[09:47] <LinuxJones> guys please knock it off !!
[09:47] <drspin> heh but it's in my chroot env!
[09:48] <Psoulocybe> i don't have enough data to worry about it... i keep most of my data on a seperate hard drive mount
[09:48] <NeWXeR>       ,        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:48] <desrt> GUYS
[09:48] <desrt> cut it out
[09:48] <LinuxJones> NeWXeR, stop it
[09:48] <SeeleyUSMC> NeWXeR: grow up
[09:48] <Psoulocybe> zenrox, just like a windows user ;)
[09:48] <Groil>  
[09:48] <NeWXeR> 
[09:48] <DarthFrog> MCooke:  Hoary Hedgehog is the next version of Ubuntu, due to be released in April. Many of us here are already running it, in pre-release form.  It's available for an ISO download and is very good, not at all unstable.
[09:48] <Groil> WINDOVS FUUU LINUX COOL
[09:49] <slept> drspin: I think that won't work - chrooted partitioning
[09:49] <MCooke> Is it more or less intensive than the last version
[09:49] <NeWXeR>      !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:49] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  ya and every time you have to reinstall you wont louse setting for progams and louse any saved data in you /home partion
[09:49] <mjr> ol4l, configure it to only serve eth1; by default it wants to serve all interfaces, IIRC. And by the way, for a home network, dnsmasq might be handier.
[09:49] <NeWXeR>  ????????????????
[09:49] <slept> drspin: but you can use fdisk from the cd
[09:49] <MCooke> about 20% of the machines we shiop only have 64Meg
[09:49] <DarthFrog> Groi,l NeWXeR:   Please stop it.
[09:49] <Psoulocybe> yeah....   i don't have any settings i'm worried about
[09:49] <Groil> IDI NAXUY
[09:49] <DarthFrog> MCooke: Ouch.  That may not be enough for Ubuntu.
[09:50] <mjr> ol4l, I think you could only configure the interfaces from /etc/init.d/dhcp, by the way, but not sure
[09:50] <Psoulocybe> it'll just be a matter of reinstalling my apache and mysql, thats about it zenrox
[09:50] <NeWXeR>      !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:50] <ol4l> mjr: how do I set it to only server eth1?
[09:50] <Groil>  
[09:50] <NeWXeR>  ????????????????
[09:50] <zenrox> Psoulocybe,  ya just keep that in mind when you reinstall
[09:50] <tsume> dholbach: wait
[09:50] <drspin> slept, yeah it won't work -- It's rather annoying that it's nothing more than a permissions thing... why can't I just reinstall and reconfigure grub?? "Permission Denied"
[09:50] <Groil>    :
[09:50] <tsume> dholbach: I'll have a kline set
[09:50] <SeanQ> */kick Groil
[09:50] <SeanQ> */kick NeWXeR
[09:50] <Groil> 
[09:50] <tsume> no
[09:50] <ol4l> mjr: i tried to set INTERFACE="eth1" in /etc/init.d/dhcp but it didnt work..
[09:50] <MCooke> DarthFrog: It runs, which is better than most distros. Not well, as i said on 64Meg it takes 2minutes to start OpenOffice
[09:50] <Groil> fuck off
[09:50] <NeWXeR> What &
[09:50] <dholbach> tsume: i was just having a look
[09:51] <MCooke> DarthFrog: But still, better than nothing.
[09:51] <slept> drspin : the live cd doesn't have grub-install ?
[09:51] <Groil> im russia
[09:51] <NeWXeR>  <SeanQ> */kick Groil
[09:51] <NeWXeR> [23:50]  <SeanQ> */kick NeWXeR
[09:51] <drspin> slept, yes it sure does --
[09:51] <NeWXeR> Im 
[09:51] <DarthFrog> MCooke: True.
[09:51] <Groil>    ?
[09:51] <drspin> slept, from the LiveCD $ grub-install '(hd0)'
[09:51] <drspin> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:51] <NeWXeR> 
[09:51] <mdz> NeWXeR: please stop
[09:51] <MCooke> Also 64meg machines will probably be phased out over the next 6 months
[09:51] <LinuxJones> mdz, jdub you there ?
[09:51] <Groil> wait
[09:51] <mjr> ol4l, actually, set it at /etc/default/dhcp
[09:51] <desrt> Groil. NeWXeR; are you two trying to make some dumb point about how it's possible to be an idiot on irc?
[09:51] <slept> drspin : umount your disk and try again to install grub on (hd0)
[09:51] <Psoulocybe> well, guys, thanks for the help...  i'm going to close her down and start backups
[09:51] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> hi
[09:51] <LinuxJones> mdz, they been doing this for like 5 mins
[09:52] <desrt> Groil, NeWXeR; or are you just badly programmed bots?
[09:52] <DarthFrog> desrt: They're succeeding.
[09:52] <Groil>  
[09:52] <Psoulocybe> take her easy
[09:52] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> yes
[09:52] <NeWXeR>  
[09:52] <Groil> 
[09:52] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> nonono
[09:52] <MCooke> The simple installation is a real bonus
[09:52] <desrt> bye guys
[09:52] <drspin> umount: /mnt/hda5: device is busy
[09:52] <theseal> mdz: THANK YOU!!!! I am sitting next to ola
[09:52] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> alguem fala portugues?
[09:52] <tsume> Groil: bye asshole
[09:52] <ol4l> mjr: OMG!
[09:52] <tsume> NeWXeR: bye bye
[09:52] <Groil>      
[09:52] <NeWXeR> 
[09:52] <ol4l> mrj: I LOVE YOU!
[09:52] <drspin> slept, umount: /mnt/hda5: device is busy
[09:52] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> alguem fala portugues?
[09:52] <desrt> ah.  autorejoin on kick.  that's l33t.
[09:53] <mjr> ol4l, sorry, I'm spoken for
[09:53] <slept> drspin: you have to leave the directory
[09:53] <drspin> slept, lsoflsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /ramdisk
[09:53] <drspin>       Output information may be incomplete.
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> sleep
[09:53] <NeWXeR>      
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> fuck
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> fucking
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> shit
[09:53] <LinuxJones> IamNEGATIVECREEP, stop cursing
[09:53] <slept> drspin : are you chrooted ?
[09:53] <desrt> IamNEGATIVECREEP; bye.
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> portugues!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> no
[09:53] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> sorry
[09:53] <alindeman> It's Russian
[09:53] <drspin> slept, I'm  @ /
[09:54] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> I DONT SPEAK ENGLISH
[09:54] <desrt> man
[09:54] <slept> drspin : umount /proc , exit, grub-inst
[09:54] <LinuxJones> IamNEGATIVECREEP, just leave please
[09:54] <desrt> at least back in the day the idiots and assholes had huge drone networks
[09:54] <desrt> these days they just have a keyboard and lots of stupidity
[09:54] <mjt> damn damn russians...
[09:55] <drspin> slept, Forgot I mounted /proc
[09:55] <mdz> IamNEGATIVECREEP: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-pt
[09:55] <drspin> slept, warty@ubuntu:/ $ grub-install '(hd0)'
[09:55] <drspin> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:55] <Amaranth> desrt: It's the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory
[09:55] <zenwhen> hey Agrajag
[09:55] <zenwhen> :*
[09:56] <zenrox> hay Agrajag
[09:56] <zenwhen> Theres a menu editor for gnome 2.10 now
[09:56] <slept> drspin: yes
[09:56] <Amaranth> zenrox: Where?
[09:56] <andrewski> zenwhen: only now?!
[09:56] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=99760#post99760
[09:56] <zenrox> ya zenwhen  and its nice
[09:56] <zenrox> but it wont let me create new catorigy
[09:56] <zenwhen> meh
[09:57] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> NIRVANA is very cool!!!!!!!!
[09:57] <zenwhen> I dont need a new one
[09:57] <Amaranth> oh, that's mine
[09:57] <Amaranth> i think
[09:57] <drspin> slept, my thought exactly... I also tried /dev/hda and I get the same thing
[09:57] <Amaranth> you can't create new categories or delete things yet
[09:57] <Amaranth> its just 0.1 :P
[09:57] <andrewski> mdz?
[09:57] <zenrox> Amaranth,  get to work then and fix it
[09:57] <zenrox> lol
[09:57] <odie5533> Is there a special package of Eclipse for Ubuntu?
[09:57] <Amaranth> zenrox: Nah, I think I'll let it sit around for a couple months now.
[09:57] <zenrox> Amaranth,  lol
[09:58] <slept> drspin: mount the partition again, then try grub-install --root-directory /mnt/.../boot/grub (hd0)
[09:58] <Amaranth> I've totally rewritten it twice since that version.
[09:58] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> bye
[09:58] <zenrox> Amaranth,  also think about drag and drop menu maken
[09:58] <Amaranth> zenrox: I'll add that in 0.9 :P
[09:58] <ajmitch> Amaranth: rewritten with the nice features of python-xdg to handle placing files in the right place, merging menus?
[09:58] <Amaranth> python-xdg is absolutely worthless
[09:59] <zenrox> lol
[09:59] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> fuck
[09:59] <Dillweed> drspin: or you can just use the grub interface to install grub again.
[09:59] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> fucking
[09:59] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> shit
[09:59] <zenrox> ya hes had probs with python-xdg
[09:59] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> fodam-se
[09:59] <andrewski> mdz?
[09:59] <Gandalfar> any tips on getting multi-monitor support in hoary 'just working'?
[09:59] <Amaranth> I use it for displaying the menus but I can't see how it does anythign else.
[09:59] <IamNEGATIVECREEP> filhos da PUTA
[09:59] <Myrtti> phew
[09:59] <mjt> idiots.
[09:59] <Dillweed> 13 year olds
[09:59] <mdz> today is a day for trolls, apparently
[09:59] <zenrox> mdz yep
[10:00] <Myrtti> indeed it is
[10:00] <zenrox> so duck and cover
[10:00] <ajmitch> Amaranth: ah, the documentation is lacking but it appears to be useful
 just showed the world why we need regulated birthcontrol
[10:00] <Dillweed> how come there are no channel admins there?
[10:00] <Dillweed> here*
[10:00] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Show me a use. :P
[10:00] <mjt> there are
[10:00] <zenrox> Dillweed,  dont need them
[10:00] <LinuxJones> Dillweed, there are
[10:00] <Myrtti> Dillweed: there are, but they don't show themselves publicly as
[10:00] <Dillweed> oh
[10:01] <SeeleyUSMC> Hrm...can someone look at this for me?  Its info I've gathered from Ubuntu about my wireless card and connections: http://seeley.pesd.net/wtf.html
[10:02] <Amaranth> ajmitch: As far as I can see it's only use is displaying the menus, not editting.
[10:02] <ajmitch> Amaranth: things like moving & adding entries?
[10:02] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Except for writing .desktop files
[10:02] <zenwhen> I used it to add some appications that were missing
[10:02] <zenwhen> Its working fine.
[10:03] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Show me how it does that. :P
[10:03] <slept> drspin: did things change with --root-dirctory ?
[10:03] <Amaranth> ajmitch: I've read through the code a couple times, I don't see anything.
[10:03] <ajmitch> Amaranth: like in Menu.py?
[10:04] <Amaranth> ajmitch: addDeskEntry() doesn't do what you think
[10:04] <Amaranth> ajmitch: All that code is for parsing an existing menu, afaics.
[10:04] <Kate> hello
[10:05] <ajmitch> Amaranth: ah well, something for you to work on then :)
[10:05] <Amaranth> ajmitch: hehe
[10:05] <Amaranth> Don't expect menu editor 0.2 for a couple years then.
[10:05] <drspin> slept, not at all -- I just repartitioned again -- brb
[10:05] <SeeleyUSMC> why does iwconfig say I have no wireless extensions?  It sees that I have the card...
[10:06] <Kate> does anyone know how to make a winmodem work in ubuntu?
[10:06] <iapx8088> gosh
[10:06] <iapx8088> I got 286mb of updates
[10:06] <Kate> thats a lot
[10:06] <Myrtti> iapx8088: that's life, my friend
[10:06] <SeeleyUSMC> Also, when I try to mount my windows partition (ntfs) to read my MP3 files, etc, nothing really seems to happen in Hoary
[10:07] <iapx8088> what about -v
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, you need to sudo to make changes to the entries ?
[10:07] <Amaranth> LinuxJones: Yeah.
[10:07] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: can u access your ntfs drive?
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, ok jsut checking
[10:07] <Amaranth> LinuxJones: I wasn't follow the spec because no one seems to know how the spec works.
[10:07] <LinuxJones> *just
[10:07] <Amaranth> err, following
[10:08] <Amaranth> that's now how it's supposed to work
[10:08] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, haha
[10:08] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, great stuff :)
[10:08] <Amaranth> heh
[10:08] <Amaranth> gtg
[10:08] <Kate> win modem in Ubuntu, anyone?
[10:08] <LinuxJones> bye
[10:08] <Kate> bye
[10:08] <Zugot> i've almost got beagle installed
[10:08] <SeeleyUSMC> I tried what the help menu stated (can't remember off of the top of my head what it was) and it didn't give any errors, except that /mnt/windows was empty with an ls search
[10:08] <zenwhen> Kate: what winmodem?
[10:08] <Kate> my one
[10:09] <Kate> i cant get the internet to work in ubuntu
[10:09] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: what happens when you mount your ntfs drive?
[10:09] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: nothing
[10:09] <WillCooke> kate, Have a look at the "wvdial" package.  It "just works"
[10:09] <slept> seeleyuscm: did you -t ntfs mount , do you have the ntfs module loaded
[10:09] <iapx8088> WillCooke, also with a winmodem?
[10:09] <SeeleyUSMC> i have it mount to /mnt/windows and nothing shows up in there
[10:09] <pussfeller> there an easy way to encrypt a file or directory
[10:09] <Kate> where do i get that from?
[10:10] <WillCooke> iapx8088, Ahhh.  Sorry, so the problem is that the modem doesn't work, not that it won't dial?
[10:10] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: i think you need to mount /dev/hd* (whatever your ntfs drive is) /mnt/windows
[10:10] <iapx8088> WillCooke, didn't understand still
[10:10] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: did that
[10:10] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: for example my ntfs would be mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[10:10] <M_Fatih> hey, bye all thanks for all answers.. :)
[10:11] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: I believe thats what I did with a few other parameters that the Ubuntu help section showed
[10:11] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: PS  you have to do it with a sudo...I believe
[10:11] <SeeleyUSMC> yes, i did that
[10:11] <Kate> WillCooke	
[10:11] <Kate> kate, Have a look at the "wvdial" package. It "just works"- where do i get that from?
[10:11] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: does it produce any errors?
[10:12] <WillCooke> kate, it'll be on the install cd.  "sudo apt-get install wvdial"
[10:12] <arek> kate first get your modem working
[10:12] <SeeleyUSMC> and thats what I don't get about Ubuntu...where is the root?  Or is there a root?  I'm so confused...its different from mandrake and redhat
[10:12] <arek> than wvdial
[10:12] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: no errors
[10:12] <Kate> my modem works under windows
[10:12] <Myrtti> SeeleyUSMC: no root, everything done by sudo
[10:12] <SeeleyUSMC> wow
[10:12] <zenrox> Kate, thats cause its a winmodem
[10:12] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: as far as i know there isn't a root by default, but if you do a sudo passwd then it will activate root.
[10:12] <iapx8088> no root for today
[10:13] <Kate> makes sense lol
[10:13] <stuNNed> no rootsies bootsies
[10:13] <SeeleyUSMC> so i only need to have one user account and then just sudo if  I need to do something as root?
[10:13] <Xappe> hmm, give me suggwestions on how to partition a system with one 120 GB HDD (with windows and ubuntu. I will do a fresh ubuntu install and rebuild my nice desktop from scratch) and one 300 GB HDD
[10:13] <arek> kate what model you got?
[10:13] <Xappe> -w
[10:13] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: right.
[10:13] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: that's probably the best way
[10:13] <sysrq> ... root doesnt need to be activated, users can exist without passwords just fine, they just cant be used via normal login
[10:13] <iapx8088> mh
[10:13] <dabi> where can i change roots pswd?
[10:13] <iapx8088> passwd?
[10:13] <spades> sudo passwd root
[10:13] <arek> dabi: sudo passwd root
[10:14] <stuNNed> sudo passwd
[10:14] <stuNNed> will do it afaik
[10:14] <Kate> Agere systems pci softmodem
[10:14] <Dillweed> my question is why my graphics card get 2000fps less when running ubuntu over other linux systems
[10:14] <stuNNed> *activate* the root account
[10:14] <stuNNed> but it is disabled by default
[10:14] <slept> no sudo passwd root - just sudo su or sudo -s
[10:14] <Myrtti> I love this sudo thing, I hated playing around with root things
[10:14] <phxguy> Can Someone Here Help me get the Java plugin installed with mozilla firefox 1.0.1???
[10:14] <SeeleyUSMC> Well right now I only have one user and the sudo password seems to be the same as the user's password.  If I do sudo passwd, does that change my user and root passwords or just the one to access sudo?
[10:14] <sysrq> Dillweed: are you running wtih the proper drivers and glx support
[10:14] <jnoon> if i install the hoary preview installation cd, will it automatically upgrade me to stable when that comes out?
[10:14] <iapx8088> automagically
[10:14] <iapx8088> no
[10:15] <Dillweed> sysrq: yes.  both os's have the 6629 drivers and the xorg.conf is technically the same
[10:15] <stuNNed> sudo passwd will activate teh root account, set it to whatever yo want
[10:15] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, that would be your password since the root account is locked
[10:15] <jnoon> iapx8088, if i dist-upgrade?
[10:15] <iapx8088> jnoon, you should issue a pair of apt-get to upgrade to hoary stable
[10:15] <iapx8088> jnoon, that' why apt exist :)
[10:15] <sysrq> stuNNed: it won't "activate" it, it simply sets a password
[10:15] <phxguy> I am having trouble installing java for firefox.... can anyone please help me out here???
[10:16] <stuNNed> sysrq: what's the difference?
[10:16] <jnoon> ok, just wanted to make sure if i installed preview, it wouldnt require me to start over when stable comes out
[10:16] <drspin> slept, boooooooooo
[10:16] <sysrq> stuNNed: the fact that saying activate means nothing
[10:16] <iapx8088> jnoon,  of course not.
[10:16] <SeeleyUSMC> so the regular account that I have now is the root account pretty much being that it shares the same password and all...so if someone figures out the password to the user account, they can do whatever?
[10:16] <Kate> so should i try the sudo apt-get install wvdial thingy?
[10:16] <stuNNed> sysrq: setting the password activates it, no?
[10:16] <Zugot> i got beagle installed
[10:16] <slept> drspin: did you get thigs to work ?
[10:16] <phxguy> I am having trouble installing java for firefox.... can anyone please help me out here???
[10:16] <phxguy> I am having trouble installing java for firefox.... can anyone please help me out here???
[10:16] <drspin> slept, it seems that I have to get booted from the HD using a floppy in order to install grub onto it -- how dumb
[10:16] <Zugot> i like beagle... good software
[10:16] <Kate> ive been trying for the better part of a month to get this thing working...
[10:17] <stuNNed> phxguy: isn't there something about that on the wiki?
[10:17] <sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: no, it has access to root privs through sudo though
[10:17] <drspin> slept, root@ubuntu:/home/warty # grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda5 '(hd0)'
[10:17] <drspin> cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524
[10:17] <stuNNed> Kate: pppconfig (sp) works best here
[10:17] <phxguy> i dont know.... I followed the instruction that came with java
[10:17] <Kate> ...
[10:17] <ace2001ac> does ubuntu have a mp3 player installed by default?
[10:17] <arek> kate you need special driver for that modem you can find it here http://www.modemsite.com/56k/lucentamr.asp
[10:17] <SeeleyUSMC> BTW, can someone please look at http://seeley.pesd.net/wtf.html ?  It shows output I wrote down from Ubuntu while having trouble getting my wireless card working...i'm in the windows partition right now because I can't connect with Ubuntu
[10:17] <SeanQ> ace2001ac, yes..rhythmbox
[10:17] <Zugot> phxguy, i bet you copied the files.... instead of doing a ln -s
[10:17] <SeanQ> but you will need to install gstreamer-0.8-plugins
[10:18] <Kate> at this stage im willing to try almost anything
[10:18] <ace2001ac> SeanQ: cool, is that in main or universe?
[10:18] <spades> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:18] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: did you do a iwconfig wlan0
[10:18] <drspin> ace2001ac, search google for "RestrictedFormats" and the first thing that comes up is the ubuntu wiki that will help you
[10:18] <phxguy> Zugot: I created a Symbolic link using ln-s
[10:18] <cowbman> hey I'm a linux newbie and I have a sound problem
[10:18] <Kate> im still lost
[10:18] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: iwconfig
[10:18] <ace2001ac> thanks
[10:18] <phxguy> but when i go to test it after restartying firefox.... it says i need the plugin
[10:19] <SeanQ> main i believe
[10:19] <Myrtti> ln -s, right?
[10:19] <SeanQ> ace2001ac, try "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins"
[10:19] <cowbman> I have two sound cards and I want to know how to tell the system which should be the default sound card
[10:19] <drspin> chroot /mnt/hda5
[10:19] <drspin> root@ubuntu:/ # grub-install '(hd0)'
[10:19] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
[10:19] <drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
[10:19] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: if i remember right iwconfig will list what is up and running you need to iwconfig wlan0 (or whatever your wireless card is) to get it working.
[10:20] <SeanQ> DrSpin: try grubinstall /dev/hda1
[10:20] <Dillweed> drspin: go into the grub cli by doing the command :grub
[10:20] <slept> drspin: when you chroot you always have to mount /proc
[10:20] <SeanQ> go with them
[10:20] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: I don't think it even knows that my wireless NIC is a wireless NIC at all
[10:20] <SeanQ> i'm a bit out htere
[10:20] <stuNNed> iwconfig is kewlios, iwlist scan comes in handy as well :D
[10:20] <Kate> anyone know what im looking for?
[10:20] <SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: if you look at that link it will show you
[10:20] <klo> hy, someone of you know how to send mail from evolutionmail cause i ve tried so many times, thanx
[10:20] <Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: i did
[10:20] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You have an Atheros chip, right?
[10:21] <Dillweed> brb have to reboot. trying a new kernel
[10:21] <sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: perhaps you need the correct modules loaded for it
[10:21] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: yes
[10:21] <nvashi2> hello all
[10:21] <drspin> Dillweed, ok now what
[10:21] <drspin> ?
[10:21] <srbaker> how do iget the update-notifier to show on myu panel?
[10:21] <nvashi2> drspin he had to reboot
[10:21] <stuNNed> Kate: (a) install drivers for modem  (b) install software to connect  (you can use scanmodem.gz from linmodems.org to tell you where to get drivers from)
[10:21] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Use synaptic to (a) enable the multiverse repositories and (b) install the linux-restricted modules.
[10:22] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: is synaptic included in Ubuntu?
[10:22] <SeanQ> yes.
[10:22] <Kate> still very confused...
[10:22] <Myrtti> yes
[10:22] <SeanQ> it is.
[10:22] <slept> drspin: try to remove --purge grub and reinstall it (chrooted)
[10:22] <drspin> nvashi2, no worries -- I'm overclocking my other system as far as I can ATM :)
[10:22] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC: synaptic is included and installed by default in Ubuntu
[10:22] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: yes it is.  It's the package manager.
[10:22] <Kate> i hate this...
[10:22] <jnoon> iapx8088, is hoary preview to a point where i could run it as my main os without worrying too much?
[10:23] <Myrtti> jnoon: yes.
[10:23] <slept> kate : whats the problem
[10:23] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:23] <Myrtti> most likely yes
[10:23] <jnoon> cool, thanks
[10:23] <SeeleyUSMC> ah
[10:23] <iapx8088> jnoon, mmh can I tell you after this upgrade :D?
[10:23] <Kate> i cant connect to the internet using ubuntu
[10:23] <jnoon> :)
[10:23] <iapx8088> Kate, we know.
[10:23] <Kate> lol
[10:23] <cowbman> does anyone know how to fix sound problems?
[10:23] <Kate> slept asked
[10:23] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, its a vector image app, similar to adobe illustrator: http://www.inkscape.org/
[10:23] <iapx8088> www.linmodems.org
[10:23] <drspin> slept, don't know about removing it completely... sounds like it could do more harm than good
[10:23] <Kate> im there now
[10:24] <iapx8088> Kate, i guess writing "I can't connect to the internet" in a shell would help more
[10:24] <srbaker> how do i get rid ofthe exchange connector button in the toolbar at the bottom?
[10:24] <iapx8088> bash is getting smarter and smarter these days
[10:24] <slept> kate: did you find out which kernel module you need ?
[10:24] <drspin> nvashi2, what's with the DCC??
[10:24] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: how am I supposed to use anything on the net if my only connection is through wirless?  I don't have a hard connection at all
[10:24] <Kate> ...?
[10:25] <cowbman> hello?
[10:25] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  How are you on the net now?
[10:25] <iapx8088> Kate, www.linmodems.org or open a bash terminal and write "I can't connect to the internet" at the prompt
[10:25] <SeeleyUSMC> windows xp wireless
[10:25] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:25] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: what does 'iwconfig' say?  does it list something on ath0?
[10:25] <sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: copy the required .deb onto a floppy?
[10:25] <slept> drspin : you can do a safty copy of your menu.lst but the rest can't get worse, it might help if other parts of the configuration are messed up
[10:25] <spiral> hi
[10:25] <stuNNed> hi spiral
[10:25] <Kate> what would that do?
[10:25] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: no wireless extensions at all
[10:26] <cowbman> anyone got a chance to hear me?
[10:26] <SeeleyUSMC> sysrq: So I just find a .deb package that I need for the atheros module and bring it to ubuntu?
[10:26] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: it is orinoco card needing madwifi drivers?  yes then you will need linux-restricted-modules-yourkernelversionhere
[10:26] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: its an atheros
[10:26] <DarthFrog> stuNNed: It's an Atheros card, needs madwifi.
[10:26] <Myrtti> cowbman: if your question was "can somebody help me with the sound problem", then you need to be a bit more precise on the problem to get some help
[10:26] <slept> drspin : do you have grub installed on more then one partition ?
[10:27] <slept> drive
[10:27] <cowbman> ok
[10:27] <cowbman> here it is
[10:27] <cowbman> I have two sound cards
[10:27] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: can you copy the required .deb that matches your running kernel onto a disc or something and install from that with dpkg -i ?
[10:27] <cowbman> xmms is working
[10:27] <drspin> slept, no just /dev/hda5
[10:27] <cowbman> but I am hearing no default sounds
[10:27] <Kate> k
[10:27] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: then run 'sudo network-admin' and set it up?
[10:27] <Kate> im gonna restart now
[10:27] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: is this warty or hoary?
[10:27] <slept> drspin : did it work before ?
[10:27] <cowbman> warty
[10:27] <Kate> hopefully i'll come back soon
[10:27] <Kate> lol
[10:27] <drspin> Dillweed, I'm in the Grub console -- now what do I do?
[10:27] <stuNNed> Kate: good luck
[10:28] <Kate> thanks
[10:28] <Kate> i'll need it
[10:28] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: I can put it on a usb memory stick if ubuntu lets me read it or i can burn a disc.  I'm running hoary
[10:28] <Kate> cya
[10:28] <slept> drspin: boot console ?
[10:28] <sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: the memory stick should work
[10:28] <drspin> slept - no in my chroot
[10:29] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: find out what kernel version you're running with 'uname -r' then copy linux-restricted-modules package that matches that kernel from ubuntu's online archive and use 'dpkg -i name_of_deb' to install it, then insert your card and it should see it from teh giggidy giggidy go
[10:30] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: then use network-admin to set up your connection
[10:30] <slept> drspin : if you can't get grub to wor you can try lilo
[10:30] <phxguy> Please help with Java installation....
[10:30] <LordGrunt> heya
[10:31] <phxguy> Please help with Java installation....
[10:31] <drspin> slept --
[10:31] <stuNNed> phxguy: it's quite simple really, check the online docs
[10:31] <spades> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:31] <LordGrunt> how to get kernel headers for 2.6.10-5-386 ?
[10:31] <phxguy> spades: i followed those instruction and I am getting an Error
[10:31] <drspin> slept, what was the uninstall option for apt-get
[10:31] <phxguy> Error occurred during initialization of VM
[10:31] <phxguy> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[10:31] <stuNNed> LordGrunt: apt-get them?
[10:31] <Jeezis> I'm having a problem getting fglrx to work -- modprobe fglrx and get "Error inserting fglrx: No such device" (on a laptop with a mobility x800)
[10:32] <flop> hay alguien que sepa si hay alguna pagina en espa?ol
[10:32] <stuNNed> LordGrunt: linux-kernel-headers_$kernversion
[10:32] <slept> drspin : try dpkg -P grub
[10:32] <flop> el barca va ganando la liga
[10:32] <flop> han quitado las estatuas de franco
[10:33] <mdz> stuNNed: no, linux-headers-<version>
[10:33] <mdz> LordGrunt: linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:33] <LordGrunt> stuNNed: the package you said is there, but no version appendix on it
[10:33] <stuNNed> mdz: sorry thanks patnah
[10:33] <mdz> linux-kernel-headers is something different, and yes it is confusingly named, and yes we plan to change it :-)
[10:33] <flop> yvonne ha ganado el gran hermano vip 2
[10:33] <stuNNed> LordGrunt: linux-headers-<version> like mdz mentioned :] 
[10:33] <phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[10:33] <knewt> bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the right place to go to request a bugfix patch be applied to firefox in hoary, right?
[10:34] <flop> adios por5 culo
[10:34] <LordGrunt> stuNNed: ok, got them :)
[10:34] <mdz> knewt: yes
[10:34] <lrojas> hi all
[10:34] <stuNNed> hi lrojas
[10:34] <slept> flop : en inglaise por favor, no entiendo
[10:35] <lrojas> i was wondering if anybody here runs Cedega under ubuntu and would i have any problems with it?
[10:35] <zenrox> flop or #ubuntu-es is that right
[10:35] <lrojas> flop : si no sabes ingles dilo en espanol y te tradusco
[10:35] <knewt> mdz: ta
[10:36] <odie5533> Is there a way to get rid of the huge navigation bar in Nautilus?
[10:36] <codyman> i just installed knetworkconf and it says ubuntu is not officially supported.. but it gives me a list of other distros and asks what is the most similar.. i'm guessing debian but what debian build i.e. sarge, wood, etc.
[10:36] <phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[10:36] <phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[10:36] <cowbman> how do you set the default sound device? I am new to linux
[10:36] <nkiesel> hi all, installed new hoary preview on a gateway notebook and after reboot it hangs in "starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:36] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You might be able to download the linux-restricted modules deb file from http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/base/:
[10:36] <lrojas> so? how about it guys, anybody uses cedega?
[10:37] <DarthFrog> No colon at the end of that URL, though.
[10:37] <phxguy> nkiesel: I had the same problem..... had to unplug all my usb devices......
[10:37] <slept> does anyone know somethig similar to modconf which is no in ubuntu ?
[10:37] <phxguy> nkiesel, I also have a gateway pc
[10:37] <drspin> slept, update-grub is trying to set everything to /dev/hda7 --- which WAS the old partition before I removed the NTFS -- now it's hda5 -- how is update-grub determining /dev/hda7 ??
[10:37] <nkiesel> phxguy: there are no USB devs connected
[10:38] <lrojas> :'(
[10:38] <sandwitch> slept, /sbin/modprobe ?
[10:38] <nkiesel> phxguy: also tried with/wo docking station w/wo network
[10:38] <phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[10:38] <slept> sandwitch no I'm looking for an gui thing
[10:39] <Kate2> hi
[10:39] <Kate2> im back
[10:39] <phxguy> nkiesel, i just removed my usb devices and it worked for me..... im kinda new to be of any help
[10:39] <sandwitch> sorry cant help slept
[10:39] <spiral> hmmm... did anyone get "color problems" with ati while booting ?
[10:39] <phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[10:39] <spiral> hmmm, at the graphical login to be more precise
[10:39] <Kate2> i still cant connect with ubuntu
[10:39] <lrojas> Cedega advice needed here...
[10:39] <nkiesel> phxguy: just joined, what java app do you want to run?
[10:40] <sandwitch> connect to what Kate2 ?
[10:40] <Kate2> the internet
[10:40] <garrut> Kate2: what kind of connection do you have?
[10:40] <Kate2> dialup
[10:40] <Xenguy> Kate2: tried pppconfig ?
[10:40] <sandwitch> network is ok Kate2 ?
[10:40] <garrut> oh, that's been a while :)
[10:40] <phxguy> im just trying to get it installed and the plug-in to work in Firefox... followed the instruction @ java.com and also the notes on ubuntuguide.org#jre
[10:40] <Kate2> yes
[10:40] <Xenguy> sorry, nm
[10:41] <sandwitch> is it dsl or what ?
[10:41] <Kate2> everything is right with the settings
[10:41] <Xenguy> sandwitch: dialup
[10:41] <Kate2> would the startup message have anything to do with it?
[10:41] <sandwitch> you have an ip ?
[10:41] <Xenguy> Kate2: what is the error then?
[10:41] <ol4l> how do i get in the cosy calendarbackground thats availible in ubuntu?
[10:41] <Kate2> after i log in, it says GNOME may malfunction because Debian isnt in /etc/hosts
[10:41] <Kate2> or something
[10:41] <Dillweed> phxguy: have you looked at this link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[10:42] <sandwitch> lol Kate2
[10:42] <lrojas> what is it about me, that ppl ignonore me....
[10:42] <phxguy> i willl now Dillweed
[10:42] <Kate2> my ISP gives me one when i connect, i think
[10:42] <sandwitch> you need to add your hostname to /etc/hosts
[10:42] <SeeleyUSMC> Should the .deb package for the restricted modules only be about 22kb?
[10:42] <Kate2> thats kinda hard, considering i cant access /etc/hosts
[10:42] <spiral> hmmm... anyone knows if somebody is working on updating the openoffice.org2 testing packages ?
[10:43] <sandwitch> you should be root
[10:43] <garrut> sudo vi /etc/hosts?
[10:43] <Kate2> that was in root
[10:43] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Yes.
[10:43] <SeeleyUSMC> cool
[10:43] <Kate2> it says permission denied
[10:43] <garrut> was your modem detected Kate2?
[10:43] <sandwitch> does it exist ?
[10:43] <Kate2> i think so
[10:43] <AndyR> lo all
[10:43] <sandwitch> ls -la /etc/hosts
[10:43] <Kate2> its there in device manager
[10:44] <Kate2> its got the latest version or wvdial
[10:44] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: oops, hold on.  I think you might have the wrong package.  What is the full name?
[10:44] <slept> drspin: small sumary : you can't chroot install , when you boot grub doesn't get to command line ? and else ?
[10:44] <Kate2> some one told me to update it, but it doesnt need it apparently
[10:44] <sandwitch> if you do an `ifconfig -a`in your term Kate2 ?
[10:44] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I think I gave you a bum steer.
[10:45] <Kate2> no
[10:45] <SeeleyUSMC> linux-restricted-modules-686_2.6.10-6_i386.deb
[10:45] <Madeye> guys, How to point my personal domain to my adsl connected box?
[10:45] <Kate2> ive never used linux before, so please forgive me if im ignorant
[10:45] <binbrain> is there a package for gtk-sharp-2.0
[10:45] <binbrain> i see gtk-sharp-gapi
[10:45] <binbrain> thats not it is it?
[10:46] <garrut> Madeye: apache
[10:46] <sandwitch> echo "somehost.somedomain 127.0.0.1" >> /etc/hosts
[10:46] <slept> drspin: try lilo if you don't get any further with lilo
[10:46] <iapx8088> Madeye, dyndns.org ddclient
[10:47] <Madeye> garrut, I mean, How to point my personal domain name to my office box?
[10:47] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, that looks to be the right one.  That's for the linux-image-2.6.10-6-686 kernel. If it doesn't match your installed kernel, it won't work.
[10:47] <LordGrunt> now, im scared. i want to remove nvidia drivers and it says i need to remove linux-386,linux-restricted-modules***(several)
[10:47] <SeeleyUSMC> I'll download it and then check my kernel with 'uname -r' to see if it matches.  That should tell me my kernel version right?
[10:47] <Kate> that better
[10:47] <LordGrunt> wth?
[10:48] <Rene_S> How much of the userguide still works on Hoary ?
[10:48] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Yes.  But you downloaded the 686 version.  The default kernel is probably a 386 kernel.
[10:48] <zenrox> Rene_S, about 80% of it
[10:48] <alankelon> hi! I don't want to generate a flamewar, but could somebody point me why I should switch from Debian Sid to Ubuntu?
[10:48] <Rene_S> Cool, the rest I can probably learn as I go
[10:49] <alankelon> what's the real advantages?
[10:49] <Xenguy> alankelon: depends entirely on your intended usage IMO
[10:49] <DarthFrog> alankelon: ubuntu is an excellent desktop version.
[10:49] <zenrox> alankelon,  easy ubuntu newer packages than sid and more releaces and better releace secdualy
[10:49] <alankelon> Xenguy, I'm a desktop user
[10:49] <zenrox> secduale
[10:49] <zenrox> crap
[10:49] <SeeleyUSMC> If I just downloaded the hoary-preview-install i386 its probably the i386 ... makes since to me
[10:49] <garrut> typing is hard
[10:49] <Xenguy> alankelon: Ubu has a very nice desktop IMO
[10:50] <Kate> i need a new computer....
[10:50] <slept> alankelon: xorg, if you need it and a shorter release time  - gnome 2.10 instead of 2.6
[10:50] <LinuxJones> alankelon, 6 month releases, 18 month support/release, same day inclusion of Gnome on release day, excellent community
[10:50] <DarthFrog> alankelon: It's backed by Canonical, with paid developers.  It's stable and up to date.  Plus the concept of ubuntu is wonderful.
[10:50] <alankelon> Xenguy, isn't it GNOME?
[10:50] <munki> heh.. the question is not "why" it's "why not?"
[10:50] <Kate> im thinking about getting an external modem- would that help?
[10:50] <alankelon> slept, I'm using gnome 2.8
[10:50] <Xenguy> alankelon: yes, very nice, minimalist implementation
[10:50] <iapx8088> Kate, get a cable modem and live free
[10:50] <drspin> what's the kernel param to speed up my drives?? idecore=66
[10:50] <DarthFrog> Kate: An external modem is always a better option.
[10:50] <drspin> ??
[10:50] <Kate> im a broke highschool student
[10:50] <LinuxJones> alankelon, there is kubuntu for kde lovers (3.4 currently)
[10:50] <alankelon> DarthFrog, is there the concept of "development" release, like sid?
[10:51] <Kate> your making me drool
[10:51] <munki> alankelon : if you don't feel like using ubuntu then don't, but if you feel like trying or using ubuntu then do it !
[10:51] <JonasNZ> why do i not get a graphical environment after doing a default install in vmware?
[10:51] <alankelon> LinuxJones, thanks!
[10:51] <garrut> you can pick my old one up for free Kate2 :)
[10:51] <LinuxJones> alankelon, you run gnome ?
[10:51] <alankelon> munki, :-)
[10:51] <DarthFrog> alankelon: Yes.  It's called Grumpy Groundhog.
[10:51] <Kate> lol
[10:51] <Kate> thanks
[10:51] <alankelon> LinuxJones, yes, I do.
[10:51] <Mguel721> Can anyone help me w/ this?  configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:51] <Kate> but how would it get to Australia?
[10:51] <cf> JonasNZ, install the vmware tools
[10:51] <LinuxJones> alankelon, I am sure you'll be very happy with Ubuntu :)
[10:51] <DarthFrog> Mguel721: Install gcc.
[10:51] <slept> alankelon: ubuntu is almost the same , just some packages which are newer. I think I'm confident with my change from sid - but I needed xorg
[10:51] <JonasNZ> cf, ok
[10:52] <sandwitch> Mguel721, `whereis gcc`
[10:52] <zenrox> Mguel721,  do a sudo apt-get build-essential
[10:52] <sandwitch> even etter :)
[10:52] <alankelon> slept, oh :-)
[10:52] <sandwitch> better
[10:52] <munki> yeah.. Debian uses the old xf84-server
[10:52] <JonasNZ> cf, at which point, after boot and ive logged in to a vc
[10:52] <munki> old and.. yuk! :P
[10:52] <Mguel721> ok hold on!
[10:52] <alankelon> is there anyway to change from Sid to Grumpy Groundhog? :D
[10:52] <garrut> Kate2: a friend of mine is going there this summer :)
[10:52] <zenrox> Mguel721,  in a terminal
[10:52] <alankelon> s/anyway/any way/
[10:52] <cf> btw JonasNZ version 4.5 has to be patched before using
[10:52] <munki> Ubuntu uses Xorg, witch is faster and more.. yebiiie !
[10:53] <munki> ^^
[10:53] <JonasNZ> cf, im using 5rc3
[10:53] <sandwitch> is that proven munki ?
[10:53] <cf> iinstead sign the beta tests at vmware
[10:53] <DarthFrog> alankelon: Hoary Hedgehog is the equivalent to Sarge right now. It's in pre-release stage, so there is no grumpy just now.
[10:53] <alankelon> DarthFrog, hmm.
[10:53] <munki> sandwitch : yup, tested it myself.. Gnome 2.8 s*cked on my old Slackware installation using Xf86
[10:53] <drspin> does anyone have any idea where I can find where update-grub gets all of it's information --
[10:53] <alankelon> let me try to ask again
[10:54] <munki> sandwitch : but it rules on ubuntu
[10:54] <sandwitch> and it wasn't you install munki ?
[10:54] <lrojas> once more, guys, anybody has or is running cedega in ubuntu?
[10:54] <DarthFrog> alankelon: Hoary will be released in April.  Grumpy will likely be respawned then.
[10:54] <alankelon> is there any way to change from Debian to Ubuntu *without* install it?
[10:54] <lunitik> sandwitch: is it proven that xorg is faster than xfree? yes... by many people, and numerous tests
[10:54] <LinuxJones> alankelon, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[10:54] <DarthFrog> alankelon: Yes.
[10:54] <Xenguy> alankelon: that's got to be a FAQ :-)
[10:54] <alankelon> I said in any place a script to transform red hat sistems to debian ones
[10:54] <munki> sandwitch : nah, think i'm pretty handy in Slackware, used it for 3 years..
[10:54] <munki> before that I used FreeBSD :o
[10:54] <Kate> ok, this is gonna get very ugly very soon, if it doesnt start working lol
[10:54] <cf> lrojas, yes it's works depending of the games
[10:54] <alankelon> hehe
[10:54] <alankelon> :D
[10:55] <alankelon> thanks, guys!
[10:55] <sandwitch> that's no proof
[10:55] <lrojas> cf, what do you mean? can i run WoW?
[10:55] <munki> sandwitch : for me it is ?
[10:55] <alankelon> let me read right now
[10:55] <garrut> Kate: does your modem make any noise when you try to connect?
[10:55] <sandwitch> are there anywhere benchmarks i could read ?
[10:55] <Kate> Kate: does your modem make any noise when you try to connect?- no
[10:55] <slept> alankelon : some of the debian packages e.g. nvidia are newer so you would break things -don't just edit sources.list.
[10:55] <^thehatsrule^> doesnt have to
[10:55] <^thehatsrule^> could be silent
[10:56] <Kate> i tried pon, but it just comes up with another line
[10:56] <garrut> lrojas: a friend of mine is running wo using cedega
[10:56] <LinuxJones> alankelon, a fresh install might be better, only takes about 20 mins
[10:56] <cf> read the thread at transgaming forums about WoW
[10:56] <lrojas> ok, other than that i should be ok then
[10:57] <munki> sandwitch : let me write it down in another way.. I like Xorg better than I like xf86
[10:57] <munki> happy now ?
[10:57] <alankelon> ok, people :)
[10:57] <cf> i have run with succes pain killer ; hl2 ...
[10:57] <ol4l> bye! tanx for the help!
[10:57] <Mguel721> THANKS FOR THE HELP, GUYS, I got it - goodbye for today!
[10:57] <sandwitch> lol munki i guesed that allready
[10:57] <slept> munki: why ?
[10:57] <SeeleyUSMC> stupid windows can't read my flash usb...grrr won't format it either
[10:57] <zenrox> Mguel721,  n/p
[10:57] <lrojas> should i use Xorg instead of Xfree?
[10:57] <sandwitch> my question is why and where can i learn that :)
[10:58] <lunitik> sandwitch: heres one: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-February/006317.html
[10:58] <munki> f~slept, do I need to explain it to you also ? :)
[10:58] <DarthFrog> lrojas: yes, in Hoary.
[10:58] <sandwitch> thnx lukewarm
[10:58] <sandwitch> solly
[10:58] <lunitik> sandwitch: faster in almost every case
[10:58] <sandwitch> lunitik
[10:59] <slept> drspin : did you give up ?
[10:59] <zenrox> slept,  i would have
[10:59] <zenrox> lol
[10:59] <Kate> i actually hit the monitor yesterday- bad idea as it turned out....
[10:59] <lrojas> Hoary is 4.1 or 5.1 preview?
[11:00] <SeeleyUSMC> Well, off to burn a copy of the restricted modules, do what was suggested, and see if it works.  Oh, and maybe I can figure out how to format my USB flash memory stick in linux so I can actually use it...stupid windows
[11:00] <garrut> i do have a spare monitor, but that's even harder to get to australia
[11:00] <psi> hi. i just upgraded to hoary, and while it didn't upgrade to xorg by itself, i managed to do it manually. now, however, if i run apt-get upgrade it wants to install xfree86 again.
[11:00] <Kate> lol
[11:00] <Kate> no i meant for me
[11:00] <Kate> my hand swelled up and i couldnt type with my right hand for a few hours
[11:00] <lunitik> sandwitch: actually kinda funny, cuz the dude says its slower... but his benchmarks disagree...
[11:00] <Kate> it developing a nasty bruise
[11:01] <drspin> slept, I think I may have fixed it lemme reboot - I'll brb
[11:01] <Kate> quite funny if you think about it
[11:01] <cusco> jeez
[11:01] <garrut> arenlol
[11:01] <cusco> so many...
[11:01] <garrut> oops
[11:01] <Kate> i invented a new swearword- fick
[11:01] <cusco> look... Im having some problems... maybe some one can help me
[11:01] <garrut> that's wgat you said when you bruised your hand? :)
[11:01] <Kate> yeah
[11:01] <cusco> Im have little expereince with linux...
[11:01] <garrut> hehe
[11:01] <Kate> along with shuck
[11:02] <zenrox> cusco,  like want
[11:02] <zenrox> wehat
[11:02] <zenrox> what
[11:02] <Kate> i was tired....
[11:02] <nvashi2> kate: you get online yet?
[11:02] <^thehatsrule^> Kate as in the editor? ;p
[11:02] <cusco> I installed my linksys wpc54g and it works
[11:02] <cusco> with ndiswrapper
[11:02] <cusco> but I loose internet all the time
[11:02] <sandwitch> lunitik, well it woul not convince me but than agian who am i, i tried the first realease of xorg and ita was ok bt not better maybe ow it is .. who knows i dont :)
[11:02] <dabi> hmm my screen just freezed and nothing happens.. but i can connect to it from network.. :S rare..
[11:02] <cusco> I only have internet 5 in 5 minutes for 20 seconds
[11:02] <sabmoc> anyone know how to pipe stuff directly to the gnome-print dialog?
[11:03] <iapx8088> how to recompile the kernel with the present configuration
[11:03] <lunitik> sandwitch: 6.8.2 is *much* faster than 6.7.0!!!
[11:03] <iapx8088> bob2, did you tell me make oldconfig, last time?
[11:03] <cusco> and with cable... my internet is fine
[11:03] <slept> iapx8088: make oldconfig works
[11:03] <iapx8088> kk
[11:03] <lunitik> sandwitch: especially for startup speed!
[11:03] <sandwitch> i'll try it thaen lunitik problem is i'm on sid but i'll servive :)
[11:04] <cusco> please...
[11:04] <cusco> I strugled today with the /etc/network/interfaces
[11:04] <lrojas> isnt Hoary a preview? wont it be dangerous to install?
[11:04] <sandwitch> pardon my french
[11:04] <zenrox> lrojas,  nope
[11:04] <cusco> and with the ifup ifdown
[11:04] <zenrox> lrojas,  hoary is basckly stable
[11:04] <cusco> strugled if should be static ip or dhcp
[11:04] <lrojas> kay
[11:04] <Kate> grrr i hate this stupid peice of shuck
[11:04] <optika> lrojas: it's getting very close to final. Many people are using it quite happily :) The biggest problem is that there are still quite a few updates per day
[11:04] <lunitik> sandwitch: just add 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse' to sources.list
[11:04] <zenrox> lrojas,  and its almose gold too
[11:05] <^thehatsrule^> so use it if you got fast internet ;p
[11:05] <sandwitch> *noted thx lunitik
[11:05] <lunitik> sandwitch: you even get new KDE and GNOME etc
[11:05] <sandwitch> i dont want kde with respect :)
[11:05] <Kate> i'd settle for linux that connects to the internet...
[11:05] <lunitik> sandwitch: um... but its still there    :/
[11:07] <optika> hrm, I read the other day that there are some serious performance increases in the newest versions of gtk
[11:07] <garrut> 
[11:07] <slept> kate : did you find out which kernelmodule to use ?
[11:07] <lunitik> optika: I've used the newest gtk... still feels slower than qt 3.3.3
[11:08] <sandwitch> explain feels lunitik
[11:08] <nvashi2> I am confused why can't kate connect
[11:08] <Kate> as am i
[11:08] <Kate> kernelmodule?
[11:08] <lunitik> sandwitch: faster load times.. faster refresh of widgets/windows in general
[11:08] <optika> lunitik:  :-/ I agree that qt feels faster. The reason I don't use it is that I really don't like how it looks.
[11:08] <garrut> what kind of modem do you have kate?
[11:08] <Kate> a winmodem
[11:08] <sandwitch> of kde ?
[11:08] <slept> kate : the driver for the hardware
[11:09] <garrut> which type
[11:09] <lunitik> optika: use a diff theme?
[11:09] <sandwitch> were on a differnetorld you and i
[11:09] <sandwitch> oeps
[11:09] <sandwitch> excuse me
[11:09] <lunitik> Kate: www.linmodem.org
[11:09] <optika> lunitik: I've tried quite a few. There's still something that bugs me about it, and I can't pinpoint it :-/
[11:09] <psi> what does it mean that packages can't be 'authenticated'? i get that all the time in hoary when i install stuff with apt
[11:09] <Kate> ive been there
[11:09] <Dillweed> how can I edit menus in gnome?
[11:09] <lunitik> Dillweed: in hoary?
[11:09] <Dillweed> lunitik: yes
[11:09] <garrut> oeps is met een o ;)
[11:10] <sandwitch> right klick Dillweed
[11:10] <lunitik> Impossible currently without editing config files
[11:10] <lunitik> sandwitch: no
[11:10] <optika> psi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[11:10] <sandwitch> ?
[11:10] <sandwitch> I can
[11:10] <Dillweed> sandwitch: i did :)
[11:10] <lunitik> sandwitch: you're not using hoary though
[11:10] <Dillweed> sandwitch: nothing happens
[11:10] <sandwitch> no i m not
[11:10] <lunitik> sandwitch: you're using 2.8, not 2.10
[11:10] <sandwitch> thx noted also :)
[11:10] <lunitik> sandwitch: don't argue, kthanks  :P
[11:10] <jalal_ubuntu> plz how to change the ascii code system in ubuntu ?
[11:10] <Dillweed> or better yet, where is the menu config file?
[11:10] <psi> optika: thank you
[11:11] <optika> np
[11:11] <slept> does anyone know how to use direct rendering with RV 280
[11:11] <lunitik> sandwitch: they pretty much crippled the menu's in 2.10
[11:11] <Amaranth> they didn't do it on purpose
[11:11] <Amaranth> they changed the menu system
[11:11] <Kate> i have $32 AUD and it looks like i'll be spending it getting the interent working
[11:11] <sandwitch> stupid buggers then :)
[11:12] <Amaranth> they are following the menu spec from fd.o
[11:12] <optika> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ <- someone was talking about this as a menu editor the other day. Haven't tried it myself.
[11:12] <Amaranth> it's a good thing
[11:12] <cusco> ok so I installed my wifi pcmcia card with ndiswrapper, but my internet conection is really weird.. I only have internet 5 in 5 minutes time for some 20 seconds
[11:12] <lunitik> Amaranth: and left out the ability to edit it...
[11:12] <Amaranth> optika: that's mine
[11:12] <Amaranth> lunitik: lack of time
[11:12] <optika> Amaranth: oh, look, that's yours :)
[11:12] <sandwitch> what's the prob then Amaranth ?
[11:12] <cusco> its rally anoying me.. maybe some one knows some... and may help me
[11:12] <garrut> Kate: hitchhike to holland and pick up mine ;)
[11:12] <Amaranth> optika: it can edit current entries and create new ones
[11:12] <lunitik> Amaranth: how is not being able to edit menu's a good thing?
[11:12] <drspin> booooooooo
[11:12] <Dillweed> Amaranth: i tried it, I was trying to change the terminal settings to accept --geometry=115x40, but it doesn't save it.
[11:13] <lunitik> Amaranth: and lack of time is a bad excuse... most gnome devels are paid
[11:13] <Amaranth> lunitik: it wasn't intentional
[11:13] <Kate> \Kate: hitchhike to holland and pick up mine lol too far
[11:13] <nvashi2> drspin: did it work ?
[11:13] <slept> drspin: things work now ?
[11:13] <Amaranth> Dillweed: Did you click the save button? :)
[11:13] <drspin> nvashi2, slept, no workie :(
[11:13] <Dillweed> yes
[11:13] <Amaranth> lunitik: Wrong.
[11:13] <Amaranth> Dillweed: odd
[11:13] <Kate> u could post it
[11:13] <Kate> lol
[11:13] <sandwitch> paid gnome devs ?
[11:13] <Dillweed> Amaranth: yes,  it will save the --geometry but not the =115x40
[11:13] <lunitik> Amaranth: more GNOME devels are paid than KDE devels... but KDE has a menu editor  :/
[11:13] <slept> drspin: did the error message change ? or still 22
[11:13] <Amaranth> lunitik: KDE created the menu system the fd.o spec is based on
[11:13] <sandwitch> your trolling lunitik :P
[11:13] <garrut> Kate: that would probably be cheaper :)
[11:14] <Amaranth> lunitik: of course they have an editor
[11:14] <Kate> yes
[11:14] <drspin> slept, still 22
[11:14] <Dillweed> where is the file for the menus anyways?
[11:14] <rem> hey anyone knows how to configure a media player through a proxy server (w authentification..)..? beep f eg ..
[11:14] <lunitik> sandwitch: eh... somewhat intentional... you have no idea how annoying not being able to edit the menu is after a while...
[11:14] <sandwitch> I figure
[11:14] <Alinux> hello, why there is no nvu in Ubuntu repository?
[11:14] <Alinux> for Hoary I mean.
[11:15] <sandwitch> brb gotta fetch some wine
[11:15] <slept> drspin: try lilo, chroot, mount proc remove grub, install lilo (, reboot, change back to grub)
[11:15] <garrut> i can put it in the mail on monday Kate :)
[11:15] <Kate> hoary comes out soon... starts doing a dance
[11:15] <Kate> ok...
[11:15] <optika> rem: does beep not respect the gnome network proxy settings?
[11:15] <Amaranth> Alinux: it isn't really a popular app, it hasn't been around long either
[11:15] <rem> nope
[11:15] <lunitik> Kate: it will be a simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade here  :/
[11:15] <rem> non of the players seem to fo ..xmms zinf etc ..
[11:16] <Dillweed> Amaranth: did you see my problem with menu editting?
[11:16] <JonasNZ> is there a way to rerun the installers auto network config util from a vc
[11:16] <drspin> Alinux, it works fine if you install it according to ubuntuguide.org -- you just have to run it as root
[11:16] <Kate> lunitik- what do you mean?
[11:16] <Alinux> the problem Amaranth is that with crossover Dreamweaver sucks...so I need something similar :\
[11:16] <rem> it seems to work if i take the authentification away, but i need it ..
[11:16] <lunitik> Kate: exactly what I said...
[11:16] <drspin> Alinux, it's definately not done yet but a GREAT start -- useable!
[11:16] <Alinux> why is not possible to made a ubuntu .deb?
[11:16] <rem> installed nvu dwn from their website v0-90 works fine ..
[11:17] <drspin> LOL sabmoc
[11:17] <rem> 81 didnt ..
[11:17] <Kate> lunitik: its got the lates wvdial
[11:17] <drspin> rem, good to know :)
[11:17] <lunitik> Kate: I am using hoary right now..
[11:17] <lunitik> Kate: I have the latest
[11:18] <rem> ..in warthy...waiting for hoary stable ..
[11:18] <sandwitch> so back cheers :)
[11:18] <Kate> lunitik: huh? i meant a stable version
[11:18] <rem> ...did anyone configure a media player through proxy ..?
[11:19] <garrut> has anybody had problems with x crashing while running vmware?
[11:19] <Kate> lol
[11:19] <lunitik> garrut: buy me a liscense for vmware, and I'll test  :)
[11:19] <garrut> hehe
[11:19] <^thehatsrule^> garrut - you have to install vm tools
[11:19] <Kate> bleh
[11:20] <garrut> i have
[11:20] <Kate> i need a break for water
[11:20] <^thehatsrule^> oh?
[11:20] <|QuaD-> lunitik: i got a license for free from linux world expo :)
[11:20] <rem> apt-get install aMule ;)
[11:20] <^thehatsrule^> then whats the error?
[11:20] <Kate> i'll be back in like half an hour/ an hour
[11:20] <alankelon> bye
[11:20] <rem> ->lun
[11:20] <^thehatsrule^> do you have a [EE]  ?
[11:20] <lunitik> |QuaD-: you suck... I wanted to go  :(
[11:20] <Kate> probably
[11:20] <Kate> bye
[11:20] <|QuaD-> lunitik: hehe :)
[11:20] <cusco> so I supose nobody can help me :(
[11:21] <garrut> ^thehatsrule^: nothing, thats the problem, it just crashes without any messages
[11:21] <zenwhen> what was your question cusco
[11:21] <^thehatsrule^> no error messages?!
[11:21] <lunitik> garrut: run from cli... it should say *something*
[11:21] <^thehatsrule^> how can that be...
[11:21] <critter> Has anyone had any trouble with xmms after upgrading to hoary?
[11:21] <^thehatsrule^> well when X crashes, it kicks you back to cli anyways
[11:21] <rem> /var/log/syslog.. ?
[11:21] <lunitik> critter: if you're using nvidia drivers... I get to slap you
[11:21] <^thehatsrule^> so you can see the msgs usually
[11:21] <cusco> ok... I installed my wifi card with ndiswrapper
[11:22] <cusco> ok so I installed my wifi pcmcia card with ndiswrapper, but my internet conection is really weird.. I only have internet 5 in 5 minutes time for some 20 seconds
[11:22] <critter> Slap away :-)
[11:22] <cusco> and with cable my internet is fine
[11:22] <garrut> i'll recheck for error messages tomorrow, i don't want x crashing now :)
[11:22] <^thehatsrule^> lol... x is fine now?
[11:22] <sandwitch> ndiswrapper is that new ?
[11:22] <critter> lunitik guess theres no fix for that yet
[11:23] <cusco> sandwitch: what do you mean?
[11:23] <garrut> yeah, but when i start vmware i lasts for about 15 min/ half an hour and then suddenly crashes...
[11:23] <lunitik> critter: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[11:23] <sandwitch> i thougt ndiswrapper is winblows
[11:23] <cusco> ndiswrapper is to use windows drivers under linux
[11:23] <sandwitch> aargh
[11:23] <sandwitch> the horror
[11:23] <cusco> sandwitch: can you find broadcom drivers?
[11:23] <rem> tail -f /var/log/syslog -> garrut .. ?
[11:23] <nvashi2> cusco: ah there may have ben a linux driver for that wifi card
[11:24] <sandwitch> i just look if a chipset is suppoted for i buy :)
[11:24] <cusco> nvashi2: its a broadcom chipset
[11:24] <garrut> rem: nothing..
[11:24] <cusco> wpc54g from linksys
[11:24] <nvashi2> cusco: has been known to happen
[11:24] <rem> k
[11:24] <cusco> nvashi2: if there is.. where can I find  it please? would be great
[11:25] <nvashi2> ah linksys has linux drivers
[11:25] <jmhodges> hey, folks
[11:25] <cusco> nvashi2: not for this one. believeme
[11:25] <nvashi2> the router runs linux as well
[11:25] <cusco> they emailed me back
[11:25] <jmhodges> for some reason, my loopback gets assigned an ipv6 address and 127.0.0.1 won't work as loopback
[11:25] <lunitik> critter: its fixed upstream... but is a glibc bug... so won't be fixed in hoary.
[11:25] <jmhodges> anyone know what i need to do to change it back permanently to ipv4?
[11:26] <drspin> nvashi2, slept, I think I figured it out -- I'm making a wikipage!!
[11:26] <drspin> nvashi2, slept, lemme try it -- back in like 10
[11:26] <nvashi2> kewl wil give it a look
[11:26] <cusco> anyway before I suceeded to have it propperly working with ndiswrapper
[11:26] <gratuit> hey, I was just wondering if anyone knew how to enable mp3 support in k3b, I want to burn some mp3s to a disc, but it says it is an unsupported format
[11:27] <cusco> but now... I only have internet conection sometimes
[11:27] <lunitik> gratuit: apt-get install akode-mpeg should be enough
[11:27] <cusco> its really really weird
[11:27] <lunitik> (its in universe)
[11:28] <nvashi2> it is set to one channel or just trying them all
[11:29] <cusco> nvashi2: trying them all
[11:29] <carlos> hello i can't run one hard drive conect by fireware or usb 2.0 .anyone can help me.?
[11:29] <Gandalfar> mdz: you take care of apt-get in ubuntu?
[11:29] <cusco> no channel is set
[11:29] <cusco> ssid is set
[11:30] <rem> apt-get install akode-mpeg -> no package (Univers or multiverse..)
[11:30] <rem> ?
[11:30] <rem> warty
[11:31] <gratuit> lunitik: I still get the same error, I'm using hoary btw
[11:32] <rem> gratuit did u get apt-get install akode-mpeg ..?
[11:32] <carlos> hotplug/pcichp.ko:operation not permited and i can't run fireware or usb2.0 hard drive
[11:32] <gratuit> rem: yeah
[11:32] <critter> lunitik I dont think this nivda bug relates to problem Im having.. Xmms opens fine even loads playlist . Just will not actully play music. And will not close down no matter what I do
[11:32] <rem> hmm i guess its on ly in hoary then .. :(
[11:32] <png> rem, it is in hoary
[11:32] <rem> k
[11:32] <odie5533> Is there a good chess game for Ubuntu gnome?
[11:32] <odie5533> :D
[11:32] <Gandalfar> I get W: GPG error: http://www.morphix.org ./ Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[11:32] <Gandalfar>  error
[11:32] <TQuid> Hi folks!
[11:33] <carlos> hello i can't run one hard drive conect by fireware or usb 2.0 .anyone can help me.?
[11:33] <drspin> OH YEAH!
[11:33] <drspin> :)
[11:33] <TQuid> That funny sound problem I've talked about here a couple of times appears to  be restricted to GNOME.  Anyone know what might make that difference?
[11:33] <^thehatsrule^> er... in ubuntu, is there a way to set a default proxy or SOCKS 4/5?
[11:33] <drspin> the scripts wouldn't install from the LiveCD but a manual isntall worked just fine -- after I remembered the way GRUB handles partitions ;)
[11:33] <Gandalfar> how do I disable gpg checking in apt-get?
[11:33] <sandwitch> what 's wron with morphix Gandalfar
[11:33] <mjr> odie5533, not gnome per se, but try xboard, which uses gnuchess for AI
[11:33] <sandwitch> wrong
[11:34] <^thehatsrule^> any idea?
[11:34] <slept> drspin : so you have the grub boot shell ?
[11:34] <rem> anyone knows how to configure any media player through a proxy ..?
[11:34] <drspin> slept: I'm booted into my system :)
[11:34] <cusco> ^thehatsrule^: computer - preferences - network proxy
[11:34] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: ubuntu doesn't like its repositorie
[11:34] <nvashi2> ah yes you should
[11:34] <drspin> nvashi2: with Ubuntu or the developer of the grub scripts?
[11:34] <slept> drspin : great, did you fix the  menu.lst ?
[11:34] <^thehatsrule^> alright... what about socks?
[11:34] <sandwitch> where you looking for Gandalfar ?
[11:34] <cusco> ^thehatsrule^: have a option to put socks in there
[11:34] <drspin> slept: update-grub does just fine at that :)
[11:35] <^thehatsrule^> kk
[11:35] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: stuff that isn't in ubuntu
[11:35] <^thehatsrule^> thanks
[11:35] <drspin> I have like 8 kernels on here...
[11:35] <phanter> hello, which smtp server does ubuntu install ?
[11:35] <drspin> not sure why
[11:35] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: 'ibuild'
[11:35] <rem> zinf it doesnt work with athentification, others (xmms...) either didnt work or havent found the option/syntax..
[11:35] <TQuid> phanter:  postfix.
[11:35] <sandwitch> holdon
[11:35] <drspin> does the Warty liveCD have qtparted on it?
[11:35] <Gandalfar> samiam: I should know, I'm the upstream :)
[11:35] <Gandalfar> ups, sorry, sandwitch
[11:36] <drspin> not warty I meant Hoary
[11:36] <phanter> oke, so how can i start postfix by hand as a background process (usually it starts automaticly, but since I am on wireless it did not)?
[11:36] <nvashi2> Cusco: is it based off the BC4000
[11:36] <drspin> thanks for the help nvashi2 && slept
[11:36] <cusco> nvashi2: hold
[11:37] <nvashi2> drspin: np
[11:37] <dash> anybody know the name of the source package for ipw2200 drivers?
[11:37] <drspin> nvashi2: what are the options for ide_core=  66, 100, 133??
[11:37] <cusco> nvashi2: the one I have is... BCM94306
[11:38] <phanter> dash: linux_wlan_ng
[11:38] <aspuru> Hi all, what is the comand for 're-configuring X' in ubuntu (dpkg-reconfigure ____ ?)
[11:38] <TQuid> phanter:  /etc/init.d/postfix start should do it.
[11:38] <aspuru> I am getting an error when installing the nvidia module:
[11:39] <SeeleyUSMC> Well I need the restricted modules for 2.6.10-4...
[11:39] <apokryphos> aspuru: xserver-xorg
[11:39] <aspuru> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[11:39] <aspuru> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[11:39] <aspuru> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[11:39] <aspuru> command:
[11:39] <apokryphos> aspuru: if you've got xorg
[11:39] <aspuru> apokryphos: Yes, Hoary with latest updates
[11:39] <dash> phanter: Hmm
[11:39] <sandwitch> well i see some issues on morhix.org Gandalfar http://www.morphix.org/content/blogsection/7/82/ but dont know if its of some interrest for you if you have a concrete quwstion i could forward it for you
[11:39] <aspuru> apokryphos: This will choose the right resolution, etc.?
[11:40] <dash> phanter: I do not see anything in there that saws ipw2200
[11:40] <apokryphos> aspuru: you should get the option for that, yes.
[11:40] <dash> er, says
[11:40] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: I just want to apt-get install ibuild
[11:40] <aspuru> apokryphos: I assume I have to do it with no X running ?
[11:40] <sysrq> aspuru: doesn't matter
[11:40] <apokryphos> aspuru: nope. You will just have to restart x for them to take affect
[11:40] <cusco> nvashi2: i dunno what to do
[11:40] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: the latest version is in morphix.org/debian repository, but ubuntu hoary apt-get update refuses it
[11:40] <SeeleyUSMC> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386 <-- says that 2.6.10-4 is the same as 2.6.10.3-6?
[11:40] <cusco> :(
[11:40] <aspuru> thanks guys... trying :P
[11:40] <nvashi2> 33 66 100 133
[11:40] <sysrq> aspuru: what part of the error msg it gave you did you not understand
[11:40] <phanter> dash: I think I downloaded the module from the Debian website. I think it is in unstable there, but you can search that site. And it works!
[11:40] <knewt> yay, filed my first ubuntu bug report
[11:41] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: it works nicely in debian unstable
[11:41] <sandwitch> you know why Gandalfar ?
[11:41] <sandwitch> well that ? your answer
[11:41] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: I do, because gpgv fails
[11:41] <dash> phanter: odd
[11:41] <phanter> dash: maybe I am mistaking!!!! it is linux-wlan-ng (different lines) :)
[11:41] <dash> phanter: oh. yes, i downloaded that
[11:42] <dash> phanter: it is not in there
[11:42] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: W: GPG error: http://www.morphix.org ./ Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[11:42] <aspuru> Shall I use the kernel framebuffer interface?
[11:42] <aspuru> (With 'nvidia' driver?)
[11:42] <Gandalfar> aspuru: no
[11:42] <JDigital> Oh hey, what converts .ps to .pdf
[11:42] <aspuru> Thanks Gandalfar
[11:42] <Gandalfar> JDahl: ps2pdf
[11:42] <sandwitch> Gandalfar, is it installed ?
[11:43] <sandwitch> gpg that is
[11:43] <JDahl> Gandalfar, ?
[11:43] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: yes, it is
[11:43] <JDigital> thanks Gandalfar
[11:43] <sandwitch> sorry should asl
[11:43] <sandwitch> ask
[11:43] <Coily> what are the warty backports repositories (trying to upgrade firefox to 1.0.1)?
[11:43] <phanter> dash: what is not in where? I did not add any reposities, but it is in my synaptic
[11:43] <sandwitch> is it in path ?
[11:43] <aspuru> For nvidia, I shall not use glx right?
[11:43] <aspuru> (dpkg-reconfigure asks a lot of questions :P)
[11:43] <sysrq> aspuru: have you read the nvidia README like you should have?
[11:44] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: it is
[11:44] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: just try it for youself ..
[11:44] <Coily> anyone?
[11:44] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: add :   deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./   to sources.list
[11:44] <sandwitch> dont have aubuntu installgan
[11:44] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: and then do apt-get update
[11:44] <aspuru> sysrq: I have read it, and also the ubuntulinux pages
[11:44] <nvashi2> cusco getting the info on that model but there should be a channel set
[11:44] <aspuru> but I was getting a dark black screen
[11:44] <Gandalfar> sandwitch: ok
[11:44] <JDigital> Is there a way I can use lftp or something just to upload a file then quit?
[11:44] <dash> phanter: "grep ipw2200 **/*" shows nothing
[11:44] <aspuru> that I attributed tdo the fact that hoary is still in testing
[11:44] <sysrq> aspuru: I doubt that because it states weather you need glx loaded or not
[11:45] <sandwitch> i 'm just lurking here
[11:45] <JDigital> hm, nm
[11:45] <aspuru> arrg. One thing is reading it, the other is remembering all the details sysrq :P
[11:45] <nvashi2> cusco: that matches the channel on the wap or router
[11:45] <Coily> what are the warty backports repositories (trying to upgrade firefox to 1.0.1)?
[11:46] <sandwitch> <inserts more wine>
[11:46] <madstop> Coily, www.ubunbtuguide.org should help with that.
[11:46] <nvashi2> arg he left
[11:46] <phanter> dash: where did I mention it should. I am on this moment using that driver on my laptop (I am on wireless) and I installed it via linux-wlan-ng. And that command you gave me does not return anything in my bash...
[11:47] <phanter> hey is there somebody who managed to get Photoshop CS running under wine ?
[11:47] <phanter> How do I have to do that?
[11:47] <sandwitch> why should you phanter ?
[11:47] <Fackamato> learn gimp :P
[11:47] <GNAM> i disagree distinction ubuntu/kubuntu
[11:47] <SeeleyUSMC> If I have the 2.6.10-4 kernel is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386_2.6.10.3-6_i386.deb going to work?
[11:47] <GNAM> no meaning for it
[11:47] <aspuru> xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has
[11:47] <aspuru>    been customized
[11:47] <JonasNZ> do i have to do anything special so that i can install vmware tools
[11:47] <JonasNZ> im using 5 rc3
[11:47] <aspuru> What about that?
[11:48] <phanter> Hey I just knew I would get those reactions over Photoplop, but I just love that programm.
[11:48] <sandwitch> i agree ps cs is better than gimp but dont be a morron anf use it on os X or windblows
[11:48] <dash> phanter: well
[11:48] <dash> phanter: my ubuntu kernel contains a ipw2200 module
[11:49] <dash> phanter: but i want the source :)
[11:49] <garrut> i used to install photoshop with crossover office, but i don't use anything but he gimp now
[11:49] <phanter> dash: go to the website and download it. What is difficult about htat
[11:49] <nvashi2> you guys try Inkscape
[11:49] <codyman> i have successfully installed my broadcom 64 bit drivers.. setup WEP keys etc. and when i use kwifimanager to "scan" it finds my network.. but it doesn't have a local ip? and the internet does not work
[11:50] <dash> phanter: it is harder than typing apt-get ;)
[11:50] <mdz> Gandalfar: yes
[11:50] <phanter> nvashi2: inkscape produces Latex images... or am i mixing programms up?
[11:50] <arek> phanter yo're correct
[11:50] <Gandalfar> mdz: where is documentation for disabling gpgv for unofficial apt repositories?
[11:51] <arek> inkscape package is broken in warty
[11:51] <hone> has anyone here used monodevelop?
[11:51] <nvashi2> ah mixing things  new SGV vector illustrator
[11:51] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: If I have the 2.6.10-4 kernel is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386_2.6.10.3-6_i386.deb going to work?
[11:51] <sysrq> Gandalfar: there is information on the guide for adding third party gpg keys to the apt keyring
[11:51] <TQuid> I was just there a minute ago, in fact.
[11:51] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: one sec
[11:51] <Gandalfar> sysrq: ubuntuguide.org?
[11:51] <SeeleyUSMC> k
[11:52] <Coily> madstop, i have all the extra repositories from ubuntuguide installed, but firefox 1.0.1 is not appearing
[11:52] <TQuid> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[11:52] <mdz> Gandalfar: on "man apt-get"
[11:52] <TQuid> There ya go Gandalfar .
[11:52] <mdz> Gandalfar: but it's better to add the keys than to disable authentication
[11:52] <TQuid> Agreed.
[11:52] <phanter> dash: I should not do this because it is easy to find but here you have it: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/linux-wlan-ng
[11:52] <TQuid> Disabling authentication is like making a blank root pw.
[11:52] <nvashi2> arek: what's broken in it?
[11:52] <binbrain> i installed mono. it doesn't look like the .pc files were installed
[11:53] <knewt> dri support for my system is only available in xorg cvs. is there an easy way to keep the appropriate dri bits around when the xorg packages get updated?
[11:53] <nvashi2> just installed it today
[11:53] <Gandalfar> mdz, TQuid, thanks. Still a bit confusing :/
[11:53] <arek> nvashi2: no toolbox menu
[11:53] <Coily> where do i find the firefox 1.0.1 package? i appear to have the warty backports repository... but im not seeing it
[11:53] <arek> nvashi2: just empty space in toolbox menu place
[11:54] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: yes
[11:54] <drspin> does hoary LiveCD have qtparted by default?
[11:54] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: should work
[11:54] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: checked my setup cuz need nvidia driver which is in restricted
[11:54] <SeeleyUSMC> cool.  I'll try out those steps you gave me.
[11:54] <garrut> mmm pringles
[11:54] <confrey> hieverybody
[11:54] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: should do it esp if you're on hoary, i had issues with network-admin and warty but not in hoary the hedgehog!
[11:55] <sandwitch> Coily, at least its in debian sid
[11:55] <JonasNZ> is there anyway to kill the X environment
[11:55] <Gandalfar> TQuid: what about unsigned repositories?
[11:55] <JonasNZ> or to get to a vc
[11:55] <sysrq> ctrl+alt+1
[11:55] <JonasNZ> liek with ctrl + alt + F1
[11:55] <JonasNZ> oh
[11:55] <garrut> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:55] <sysrq> *f1
[11:56] <confrey> I don't know why sometimes I can't reconfigure system network; the interfacefile seems correct
[11:56] <Coily> Sander, do you think ill be alright using it?
[11:56] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: this pkg is like 4.5mb a lot bigger
[11:57] <JonasNZ> sysrq, doesnt work for me
[11:57] <Coily> jdong released a firefox 1.0.1 package but i cant find it... help anyone?
[11:57] <TQuid> Gandalfar, sorry, not sure about that.
[11:57] <DarthFrog> Geez, the ATI Xorg drivers are a pain in the butt.
[11:58] <DarthFrog> Anyone want to swap a Radeon 9800 Pro for a GeForce 5900XT? :-)
[11:58] <stuNNed> Stereotype: hehe probly easiest to burn to cd or you can mount the flash drive but never done that in ubuntu before
[11:59] <sandwitch> Coily, apt-show-versions mozilla-firefox
[11:59] <sandwitch> mozilla-firefox/unstable uptodate 1.0.1-2 so its in unstable dunno about any ubuntu but guess so
[11:59] <nvashi2> arek: I see what you mean cause i only have two rows and the menu running down the left side
[11:59] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: just dkpg-i linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386_2.6.10.3-6_i386.deb and then sudo network-admin right?
[11:59] <confrey> I can't use pcmciA; I have an adapter pcmcia -> compact t I can't mount it....