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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Preview Released | http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Mar 18 04:36:33 2005
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=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Mar 18 04:36:33 2005
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[09:11] <froud> amu: were you aware that there already was a knetwork-conf user manual? http://webcvs.kde.org/kdereview/doc/knetworkconf/ 
[09:11] <froud> amu: but it seems that even the KDE documentation manager Lauri, did not know about it
[09:12] <froud> amu: seems also that somebody has started with kynaptic. mvo and mitario should be intrested in that
[09:26] <froud> Riddell: r you awake
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=== Beineri has been thinking about the packages/dependencies and came to the conclusion that he doesn't like the current approach.
[10:56] <Beineri> Kubuntu defaults/desktop and KDE packages are unnecessary geared into each other
[10:58] <Beineri> eg kdegraphics (it's not called kubuntu-kdegraphics!) should install the complete kdegraphics module - not more (gwenview) and not less (kview).
[10:58] <Beineri> kdegraphics is a meta-package for people who want a pure KDE imo
[10:59] <Beineri> so kdegraphics chould be changed and removed as dependency from kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop should depend directly on gwenview and the parts of kdegraphics it needs (kpdf, ksnapshot, ...)
=== Beineri is aware that this would lead to movement of kdegraphics to universe ;-)
[11:01] <Kamion> FWIW that just involves changing the kubuntu-hoary desktop seed; the kubuntu-desktop metapackage is entirely autogenerated
[11:01] <Kamion> Beineri: no it wouldn't
[11:01] <Kamion> main is more than base+desktop; you can put kdegraphics in supported or whatever just fine
[11:02] <Beineri> Kamion: even when some parts of the KDE kdegraphics module/tarball would be only available in universe?
[11:02] <Kamion> er, if you put kdegraphics in supported then all of kdegraphics would be eligible for promotion to main
[11:03] <Kamion> if you didn't, then they wouldn't be (at least not for that reason alone)
[11:04] <Kamion> the seeds are a list of what we want to support in various categories. If the Kubuntu guys don't want to support all of kdegraphics, then indeed they shouldn't put kdegraphics in a seed
[11:05] <Kamion> but that doesn't necessarily follow from making the desktop seed more specific :)
[11:07] <Kamion> I'm not sure "people who want a pure KDE" is a viable goal though; anybody who goes for a specific distribution is to some extent buying into what that distribution does, and for example the Kubuntu guys may well be applying patches not all of which would be considered "pure KDE" by everyone
[11:07] <Kamion> (I've no idea if they are or not, but patch-application is a standard example here)
[11:14] <Beineri> replace "pure KDE" with "all of KDE" maybe for better understanding
[11:14] <Kamion> nod
[11:14] <Kamion> anyway I guess you want replies from the Kubuntu guys, I'm just giving the general seed-handling perspective :)
[11:16] <Beineri> Kamion: sure, just dumping my thoughts here for them :-)
[11:17] <Kamion> (I maintain germinate, so that's what I tend to think of first)
[11:18] <Beineri> atm it's at least inconsistent: eg gwenview is dep of kdegraphics and not in desktop seed, while eg konversation is not dep of kdenetwork and in desktop seed
[11:33] <Beineri> btw, in Distrowatch.com's "Page Hit Ranking" for "Last 1 Month" "Kbuntu" is on rank #29 today ;-)
[11:34] <Beineri> with 150 Hits per Day (over last month)
[11:43] <Beineri> btw2, the last news entry on http://konserve.sourceforge.net/ is a year old
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[03:52] <dannya> hey riddell - what do you think to mxcl's suggestion to use the colour scheme to tint the images in the about pages?
[03:53] <Riddell> dannya: if someone can make it work then go ahead
[03:53] <dannya> hehe
[03:53] <dannya> I think that it could also be extended to any other use of images in kde, potentially...
[03:53] <dannya> eg. sidebar images...
[03:56] <Riddell> it is the case with kmenu side image
[03:56] <dannya> yep
[03:56] <dannya> well, you know wizard sidebar images?...
[03:57] <Riddell> right
[04:48] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/stats.html
[04:53] <Beineri> 52.5% Windows users ;-)
[04:56] <Riddell> yep :)  
[04:56] <Riddell> 14 BeOS users is impressive
[04:57] <Qerub> that's eugenia :)
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[08:14] <Beineri> Riddell: did you read my earlier thoughts today here?
[08:15] <Riddell> Beineri: about meta packages?
[08:16] <Beineri> Riddell: yes
[08:16] <Riddell> Beineri: I want to do that properly post-hoary but at the moment playing with meta packages is the quickest way to do it since changing the seeds means going through other people
[08:16] <Riddell> but I do plan to tidy it up
[08:17] <Beineri> ah :-|
[08:22] <mdz> Riddell: what's the issue?
[08:24] <Beineri> mdz: scroll back 10 hours :-)
[08:25] <mdz> yes, I think much of that stuff should move into the seeds
[08:26] <mdz> Riddell: moving things from universe to main means going through other people in any case; it's a manual process
[08:26] <mdz> the way it currently works is that you upload packages with changed dependencies, elmo notices them and emails me asking if it's ok to move the packages, I ask you whether you did it intentionally and whether the result is OK, and then confirm to elmo that the changes can be carried out
[08:27] <mdz> it would be much better for you to go through me or amu or Kamion and ask for a seed change directly
=== Kamion tends to agree
[08:30] <Kamion> and it would result in a much more explicit list of what we want to support, which post-hoary will probably be important for deprecation cycles and such
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[09:16] <apokryphos> The knetworkconf package not work? Installed, but no excecutable 
[09:23] <Qerub> apokryphos: check your kde control center..
[09:28] <apokryphos> Qerub: oh, so I see. Thanks. :)
[09:30] <apokryphos> Anyone any idea on the libkcal2 package? It's ruining possibility for installation of kde-devel
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