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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Do the package install first.12:00
stuNNedSeeleyUSMC: sudo dpkg -i and sudo network-admin, yes12:00
SeeleyUSMCAnyone know how to format a usb memory stick in ubuntu?12:00
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: then do ifconfig to see if you have an ath0 interface.12:00
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phanterdash: found it?12:00
stuNNedSeeleyUSMC: might want to reload the card if it's pcmcia after dpkg -i before network-admin12:00
confreySeeleyUSMC, cfidisk12:00
sandwitchmkfs.whatever /dev/sda112:00
wartyhey guys, i am using the ubuntu live cd to get pictures onto a dvd of a corrupt windows partition... what program can i use to burn a dvd w/ the live cd?12:00
wartyit doesnt come w/ k3b12:00
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: That was good advice from stuNNed.  Definitely take the card out and put it back in.12:01
sandwitchis there a growisofs ?12:01
SeeleyUSMCconfrey: what would the location of a USB device be?12:01
Coilywasnt there some change in fx 1.0.1 which screwed up the gnome theme?12:01
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: its internal to my laptop though?12:01
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Then "modprobe ath_pci".  The interface will be called ath0.12:01
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Your USB stick will likely be /dev/sda1.   USB stuff is seen as SCSI, thus the sda.12:02
SeeleyUSMCI really appreciate the help I'm getting here everyone.  I'm writing it all down12:02
areknvashi2: i got only left side bar12:03
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confreyDarthFrog, and how can I mount a cf inserted in an adapter on pcmcia?12:03
SeeleyUSMCbbl, going to try this all out12:03
Codyman_i am trying to connect to a wireless network.. every time i set the essid to the right essid then see if its connected it always still says "any"12:03
Coilyhas anyone had luck overwriting their firefox 1.0 install with 1.0.1? copying files is boring =[12:03
nvashi2arek: you might want to get the update12:03
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DarthFrogconfrey: It's probably /dev/sda1, too.12:05
sandwitchI'm gone later and dont forget ..... have phun!12:05
DarthFrogcodyman: How are you setting the SSID?12:05
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areknvashi2: yes but i had to compile sane xsane and backends, hand genrate my locales, compile beep media player ... i will have lfs soon12:05
DarthFrogW00t!  Kubuntu made Slashdot! :-)12:06
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confreyDarthFrog, no, I can't see anything about in messages after inserting it, I don't now what is missing12:06
DarthFrogconfrey: In /var/log/messages?  What does dmesg say?12:06
nvashi2arek: kewl I burn LFS to cd but have yet to try it out12:06
Codyman_DarthFrog: iwconfig wlan0 essid (insert name)12:07
jalal_ubuntuhow to make xmms as a default mp3 player12:07
DarthFrogcodyman: That should work.  What do you get from "iwconfig wlan0" after that?12:07
Codyman_i'll go check12:07
Rene_SWell, If i stick to Gnome only programs already made for Ubuntu the whole menu editing thing will go away hehe12:07
nvashi2arek: wil get a detailed picture of my system that I am putting it on 1st12:07
DXTim a bit confused, array 7 > preview (hoary)12:07
DXTI mean, which on is more updated?12:08
confreyDarthFrog, dmesg and messages are talking anything12:08
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Coilyshould i use the debian sid installer or mozilla's for firefox 1.0.1?12:09
Codyman_DarthFrog: It still says "any" and also it says that encryption is off but i entered the WEP key.. whats the proper way to enter the key (40 bit)12:09
Coilyi mean, if mozilla's works fine why bother12:09
phanterCoily: why not via apt-get ?12:09
DarthFrogcodyman: Bizarre.12:09
Coilyphanter, apparantly i dont have the right repositories because i cant find it12:09
DarthFrogcodyman: use the Ubuntu network tool?12:09
DarthFrogconfrey: Sorry, no idea.12:10
phanterCoily: You are using synaptic?12:10
Coilyphanter, yup12:10
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DarthFrogconfrey: Hang on, I'll try it with mine.  If I can find a CF card around here. :-)12:10
Codyman_DarthFrog: I have (K)ubuntu so i am using kWIFIManager??12:10
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phanterCoily: Settings -> Reposities -> Enable all the reposities and it should be ready to rock12:11
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confreyis it possible to set different background in four workspace?12:11
jbaileylunitik: I have the bug assigned to me to fix xmms and the TLS issue, and a patch onhand from upstream.  After RC I'm going to figure out whether or not the patch can be made sufficiently non-invasive to apply.12:11
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wartyHey guys how can i burn a dvd using the ubuntu live cd?12:12
Coilyphanter, all repositories are enabled =[12:12
Coilyphanter, and ive added everything from ubuntuguide.org12:12
phanterCoily: You are using Hoary?12:12
Coilyphanter, ah no sorry warty12:12
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garrutwelcome back :)12:13
Katehow is everyone?12:13
wartyIs there any way to burn a dvd using the ubuntu warty live cd12:13
Kateguess how i wasted $20AUD?12:13
Kateon impulse, i bought fedora core 3 :(12:13
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phanterCoily: sorry, dunno if it is in warty, BUT I cannot believe it is not. If it is not just go to the Ubuntu or Debian website and download the deb files. it can save you a lot of headache!12:14
garrutyou smashed something again?12:14
Katei have a serious shopping problem12:14
DarthFrogconfrey: Sorry, my wife has all the CF disks with her.12:14
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Coilyphanter, alright ill check it out. do you have the name of the firefox installer? i can google it12:14
Katei had a bad experience with FC3... now its come back to haunt me...12:14
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DarthFrogCodyman_: Try it.  I don't think you can use it to set up networking.  You can install knetworkconf and use that, though.  Set it to Debian Sarge.12:15
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phanterCoily: well i have the link if you give me one sec.12:15
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Katethis is bad12:15
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Coilyphanter, thanks12:15
Katemaybe its better that i started on an easier distro... i dont know...12:16
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garrutubuntu is easy, isn't it?12:16
Katei dont know12:16
Kategetting the internet working is hard...12:16
DarthFroggarrut: Pretty easy, yes.12:16
Kateive been trying a month now12:17
DarthFroggarrut: For the most part.12:17
thenukegarrut: pretty easy yes12:17
confreyDarthFrog, :) no matter... can you tell me about multiple background in gnome? is it possible ( as in KDE)?12:17
phanterCoily: Again: you should be abled to find this yourself, bbut download what you think that you will need from this page: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all12:17
garrutyeah i know, i was talking to kate :)12:17
DarthFrogconfrey: I know next to nothing about Gnome, sorry.12:17
Kateim not used to a command line yet though12:18
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Coilyphanter, ya i found that before. i guess theres no ubuntu package?12:18
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Coilyactually im positive theres a backports firefox 1.0.1 package for warty12:18
phanterCoily: explain me the difference between a Debian and a Ubuntu package...12:18
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Coilythere was a thread about it12:18
DarthFrogKate: The command line is where all the power is.  Conquer the command line and you'll truly be running Linux. :-)12:18
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Coilyphanter,  please do :x12:18
crazneyhi there. does ubuntu have any nice gui tools for setting up samba shares?12:18
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Katei'll get the hang of the command line eventually i hope12:19
Katebut ive been basically a windows user all my life12:19
Rene_Seither that or the command line will hang you12:19
Kateso im used to things not doing what you want them to do...12:19
Coilyok thanks for the help. i wasnt sure if there was a difference12:19
DarthFrogKate: With Ubuntu, you don't *really* need to use the command line.12:19
phanterCoily: there is none. Both are .deb files. Sometimes Debian is not as updates as other distro's but do not worry... everything you download from Debian is stable and secure (that is for shure !!!!)12:19
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Katei cant get the internet working on ubuntu though12:20
Coilyhehe ok goo12:20
DarthFrogKate: Why not?12:20
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Katethats what i want to know!12:20
ermoI hear you. That internet never seems to work quite like one wants it to.12:20
Kateno, i cant connect12:20
knewthmm. i wonder what part of the world Thom May is in12:21
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DarthFrogKate: How are you trying to connect?12:21
garrutit's time for broadband Kate12:21
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^thehatsrule^yes it is :P12:21
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Kateim a poor 13 yearold! how am i supposed to afford broadband?12:21
Coilyshould i use the testing or unstable release (in general)?12:21
Rene_SConvince your mom that it will keep you from doing drugs ... Parents are suckers for that12:22
xy77Hi folks. A question concerning powernowd. It makes my mouse go crazy. I want to disable it by default. How to do it?12:22
thenukeCoily: dont bother with testing, they really are Testing packages12:22
xy77I cannot uninstall it, since ubuntu-desktop depends on it (somehow)12:22
Coilythenuke, gotcha12:22
deville_75how do i download using terminal?12:22
Kateshe wont take it seriously, she'll just stick me in counseling12:22
garrutdeville_75: wget12:22
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ermoRene_S, ... then again, broadband has that 'addictive' quality as well..12:23
Rene_SMy line is Mom, its either 40 a month now, or 300 a day for heroin, your choice, then just walk away12:23
knewtCoily: i moved from warty to hoary back at the beginning of march, about the same time pre-release as i did with warty12:23
Gandalfarwhere can I get linux-headers-2.6.10-4-38612:23
deville_75wget wut?12:23
_larryhow can use root on Hoary preview12:23
deville_75just type in the filename after?12:23
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DarthFrog_larry: ubusudo http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:23
garrutif it doesn't work : man wget :)12:23
Coilyknewt, ooh maverick :O12:24
ermoxy77, I read that as 'It makes my _house_ go crazy' - was thinking 'gee, I need one of those!'12:24
confreylarry, sudo -s, insert user password and become root; then set root password with passwd12:24
DarthFrogGandalfar: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories12:24
deville_75oh, i c so wget and the link to the download12:24
xy77Can someone tell me how I can safely disable powernowd? remove all S20powernowd and K20powernowd from /etc/rcX.d ?12:24
Coilyhas anyone got a foolproof (and simple) method for upgrading to firefox 1.0.1?12:24
DarthFrogxy77: That would work. :-) On reboot, they won't be started.12:24
Katei dont like firefox12:24
Kateplease dont hurt me12:24
knewtconfrey: i'd advise keeping root disabled and always using sudo personally12:24
ermoxy77, install rcconf, then use it to disable powernowd12:24
xy77DarthFrog: nothing to worry about on updates or such?12:24
DarthFrogxy77: You can also "/etc/init.d/powernowd stop"12:24
xy77ermo: rcconf, I'll check this one.12:24
ermoxy77, it's a nice curses interface to control the current runlevel12:24
DarthFrogxy77: They are only symlinks.12:25
xy77DarthFrog: must be disabled on boot.12:25
ermoxy77, which does things the 'proper' way12:25
phanterhey I once used this program to draw pictures and this program did generate clean (text) LaTeX code from this picture. Does anybody know how that program is called?12:25
DarthFrogxy77: You only need remove the one starting with S.12:25
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confreyknewt, I prefer to use root account, as in debian and in other distribution;12:25
DarthFrogxy77: S = Start  K = Kill12:25
mjrphanter, xfig?12:25
Coilytryin again:12:25
Coilyhas anyone got a foolproof (and simple) method for upgrading to firefox 1.0.1?12:25
phantermjr: could be.. I'll check it out. Thanks12:26
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xy77ermo: I looked for the proper way, thank you, rcconf is fine.12:26
knewtconfrey: so sudo -s when you need root?12:26
xy77Thanks all for your help.12:26
Katewell im gonna go and put what little energy i have left into destroying the computer so i get my own :)12:26
confreyI have a laptop, cpu is a Sempron 3000+; I can use it (in windows) at 400 MHz too; not in linux : the smallest freq is 800 Mhz; why? there is a way to set cpufrq to 400?12:26
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DarthFrogrcconf is nice & simple. :-)12:27
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confreyknewt, yes, it's the same thing, but some services required a root account (cups admin and swat), so it's necessary - for me- to set the rroot passwd too12:28
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DarthFrogconfrey: No, it's not.  There is a root account already.12:28
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knewtconfrey: you should be able to configure them to not to need a root password12:29
munkiUbuntu doesn't need a root passwd !12:30
munkilearn! :P12:30
confreyknewt, bohh, I don't know very well, no matter; if you can, help me about cpu frq scaling to 400 MHz... :)12:30
ermoxy77, btw, if you're interested in knowing a bit more about the details of booting in a debianized world, you could check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-boot12:30
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ermoxy77, for extra credit, take a look at the debian policy manual. have a ball ;-^12:31
knewtconfrey: i use the command-line for configuring cups personally anyway12:31
SeeleyUSMCi did the dpkg -i for the restricted modules and after it installed them, nothing new seemed to happen12:32
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Did you do "modprobe ath_pci"?12:32
SeeleyUSMCiwconfig still shows no wireless connections, modprobe auth_pci shows a "FATAL: Module auth_pci not found"12:32
garrutwhat's up with firefox not saving files?12:32
DarthFrogath_pci, not auth_pci.12:33
PacoBCNguys, I have a weird problem12:33
confreyknewt, I amn't so expertise12:33
munkiPacoBCN , tell ?12:33
SeeleyUSMCI guess I wrote down the wrong thing lol12:33
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^thehatsrule^weird is nice12:33
PacoBCNsomehow whenever I try to see an html/php page under my local apache I get the download windows of firefox12:33
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SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: what should I look for when I type modprobe ath_pci ?12:33
PacoBCNIt doesn't compile nor show anything, just make me download it12:33
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Edit /etc/modules and put a line in there for ath_pci.  That way it'll be autoloaded on boot.12:33
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PacoBCNit was running perfectly yesterday12:34
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: If it works, you should just get the command line back.  "lsmod | less" should show that ath_hal and ath_pci are loaded.  "ifconfig" should show an ath0 interface.12:34
|QuaD-when are the bendy archives going to be made?12:34
munkiPacoBCN : when you enter
munkiyou get the download window ?12:35
|QuaD-not bendy, breezy :)12:35
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DarthFrog|QuaD-: Well, probably shortly after Hoary is released.12:35
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isamthis could be an FAQ : I have Sarge, and liked Ubuntu .. changing the sources.list would do the job ?12:36
William_CainI have a question about the ATI driver.12:36
isamor at least mostly ?12:36
munkihello there William12:36
|QuaD-DarthFrog: ok, has development on it started?12:36
PacoBCNmunki, thanks for the tip. Now it opens at least the html files but not the php12:36
PacoBCNI always used http://localhost/12:36
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: If all that is there, you're a happy camper.  Then you can get on with configuring the networking.12:36
PacoBCNbut doesn't seem to work any longer12:36
SeeleyUSMCAlrighty!  BBL - Going to attempt :)12:36
munkiPacoBCN , that wasn't' a tip it was a question..12:36
DarthFrog|QuaD-: I doubt it since Hoary isn't released yet.12:36
PacoBCNPacoBCN, I know, but it helped :D12:37
knewtPacoBCN: check that /etc/hosts contains an entry mapping to localhost12:37
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munkiPacoBCN : heh.. how would you else open the files on your server ?12:37
William_CainWhen I first installed Ubuntu, not even screensavers got frame rates above 10fps. I then installed the ATI driver, and everything worked fine. I got smooth graphics. However, after a few days, everything went back to the same old slowness...12:37
PacoBCNmunki, http://localhost/12:37
William_CainHas anyone else experienced the same?12:37
munkioh.. PacoBCN check that localhost is mapped to
yyc747does the preview release of hoary have kde 3.4 (kubuntu, of course)?12:38
isamWilliam_Cain: are you still using the ATI driver in X configuration ?12:38
^thehatsrule^did you update xfree?12:38
DarthFrogyyc747: Yes.12:38
PacoBCNmunki, anyway, that's not the problem now, it's that it doesn't want to compile php files12:38
William_CainPerhaps I should have a look.12:38
smoPacoBCN: That behavior's usually apache missing the AddType and/or LoadModule lines in it's config12:38
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PacoBCNsmo, that's what I'm thinking also12:39
yyc747PacoBCN: php files aren't compiled... do you mean "interpret"?12:39
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PacoBCNsmo, but weird, since I didn't touch anything12:39
munkiPacoBCN , It shouldn't compile php files, but open them :) You did install the apache-php5 candidate ?12:39
PacoBCNyyc747, yes, that's what I mean12:39
^thehatsrule^you know where you configure the proxy/socks server in GNOME, is it only for GNOME or is it system-wide?12:39
William_CainUhm, where is the X configuration file located?12:39
isama quicky .. my system was installed as warty, but I moved (by apting, changing sources.list) to debian from it because of lack of proper KDE support.. and now with KDE 3.4, and Xorg I want to get back to Ubuntu12:40
William_CainI just found it as you were typing, hehe.12:40
^thehatsrule^depends on what youre using ;p12:40
isamwill it work if I change back sources.list ?12:40
PacoBCNphp5? no, always used 4 here, didn't know 5 was available12:40
^thehatsrule^lol... ver 5 has been out for a while12:40
PacoBCNok, wait12:40
munki:) installed any php-server ?12:40
PacoBCNseems that some packages got removed12:40
mjr^thehatsrule^, only gnome12:40
William_CainWould not having the folder called XF86Config-4 count as a bad thing?12:40
munkiapache think it's nice, to have php integration installed12:41
^thehatsrule^mjr, so that means i cant use flux?12:41
PacoBCNI'm upgrading tons of files everyday and sometimes it makes changes I didn't allow12:41
munkiPacoBCN : read the screen ? ;)12:41
yyc747hoary has xorg, correct?12:41
^thehatsrule^or is there another way or tool do config it in flux?12:41
William_CainI found it.12:41
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mjr^thehatsrule^, why would it mean that?12:41
garrutit's the computers fault!12:41
^thehatsrule^well er... oh12:42
^thehatsrule^i config it in gnome12:42
^thehatsrule^then i can use flux?12:42
mjr^thehatsrule^, if you're using a browser that supports the gnome configuration options, it doesn't matter what WM you run12:42
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mjrand if the browser doesn't, well, you'll just need to set it separately12:42
William_CainOk, the glx module is loaded in the X config file.12:42
Timbois laptop power management (matthew garrett's stuff) in the main kernel yet?12:42
Roeywhat does ubuntu offer over debian?12:42
William_CainDoes that mean that the ATI drivers are loaded?12:42
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Roeymore often releases?12:42
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^thehatsrule^hm alright12:43
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^thehatsrule^i suppose games wouldnt work?12:43
William_CainHmm, it does define fglrx as its driver.12:43
William_CainSo it should work perfectly.12:43
TimboRoey: more up to date, less politics12:43
Timbomore focused12:43
Timbotends to "just work"12:43
PacoBCNI'm working around it...12:43
PacoBCNall thes upgrades...12:43
_phoenix3051_Roey:"more pretty" out of the box12:44
mjr^thehatsrule^, wouldn't work what? with fluxbox? why not?12:44
PacoBCNsometimes I want to reformat everything and install from the latest array12:44
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Timbodefinitely a desktop distro though12:44
Timboand perhaps slightly less flexible than debian12:44
Roey_phoenix3051_:  I see.12:44
Roey_phoenix3051_:  with a better installer hopefully!12:44
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Roey_phoenix3051_:  is it possible to install Ubuntu from its livecd ?12:44
William_CainOk, what else can be the problem, do you think? The ATI driver refuses to work.12:44
William_CainI've even reinstalled it.12:45
_phoenix3051_Roey:much easier installer12:45
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Roey_phoenix3051_:  let me give you an example of what I wnat to do:12:45
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_phoenix3051_Roey:I'm not sure if you can install from the live CD.12:45
Roey_phoenix3051_:  I want to run my four disks as a software raid5, with XFS as the filesystem on /, /boot, /media and /home.  Will I be able to do install this from the LiveCD?12:46
^thehatsrule^mjr, no i mean if i specify socks/proxy server in gnome, then use flux, and play a multiplayer game... like quake3, would it work?12:46
Roey_phoenix3051_:  ok.12:46
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SillySillyhow can i set up su in kubuntu?12:46
garrutRoey: i don't think so12:46
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apokryphosSillySilly: same as ubuntu12:46
LinuxJoneswhat font is xchat using by default, can someone check for me pls ?12:46
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Roeygarrut:  ok.12:46
Nikopolmonospace 912:47
LinuxJonesthat's not the default tho ?12:48
William_CainDoes nobody else have problems with the ATI driver?12:48
SillySillymonospace is the default12:48
NikopolI think so - I haven't touched mine12:48
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SillySillyfont size 912:48
LinuxJonesSillySilly, something is messed up with my fonts then12:48
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garruti don't use ati, but as far as i know the drivers suck12:48
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: ath_pci right?12:48
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Yes.12:49
SeeleyUSMCNothing is outputted when I type that12:49
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: What happened?12:49
William_CainThey refuse to work anymore.12:49
SeeleyUSMCI did add it to /etc/modules though12:49
niamhCan I give a user the ability to halt the machine without entering their password, if I'm using fluxbox rather than gnome? "sudo halt" requires the password.12:49
garrutis the module loaded?12:49
William_CainYes, it is.12:49
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: You typed "modprobe ath_pci" right? What happened?12:50
sysrqniamh: the NOPASSWD option in sudoers12:50
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: nothing.12:50
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William_CainThe drivers worked at first, but after a few days, they just suddenly stopped.12:50
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: You got a command prompt back again with no output?12:50
William_CainNow it's like I didn't have them..12:50
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: Exactly.12:50
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William_CainI didn't do anything special those days either.12:50
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: That's what's supposed to happen.:)12:50
_phoenix3051_William_Cain: have you upgraded the kernel?12:50
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: oh12:50
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Did you do the rest of the stuff?12:51
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SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I added 'ath_pci' to the /etc/modules and then did if config12:51
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: ifconfig didn't show anything new12:51
SillySillyman, tab completion sucks in ubuntu12:52
garrutWilliam_Cain: which kernel are you running?12:52
William_CainLet me check.12:52
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC:  What about lsmod?12:52
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: forgot to do that...that shows that they are loaded modules right?12:52
Nikopoluname -r12:52
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Right.12:52
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I'll go boot back into linux and try that out and get right back to you12:53
LinuxJonesSillySilly, how you mean ?12:53
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: But if the modules are loaded and you don't have an ath0 interface ...12:53
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: ?12:53
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Run dmesg and see if anything shows up.12:53
SeeleyUSMCwill do12:53
niamhsysrq, I'm not having a lot of luck with it. What should the line be, if not "username     ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: halt" ?12:53
William_CainI'm running
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: You'll probably want to do it as dmesg | less12:54
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: what does that show?12:54
UnbelievableIs KUBUNTU the KDE version of UBUNTU?  I am interested in running KDE instead of GNOME12:54
SillySillyif i were to do sudo synaptic, in other distros i'd be able to do tab completion on synaptic12:54
SillySillybut i cant12:54
_phoenix3051_Unbelieveable: yes12:54
mdzUnbelievable: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with a KDE desktop rather than a GNOME desktop12:54
LinuxJonesSillySilly, it works fine for me12:54
SillySillyUnbelievable, yes it is12:54
mdzUnbelievable: /join #kubuntu12:54
sysrqniamh: user ALL = NOPASSWORD: /path/to/halt12:54
NikopolSillySilly, avoid the sudo12:55
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC:  "Less" will pipe the output to the screen, one screenful at a time.  Use the spacebar or arrow keys to proceed.  dmesg will give a report on the system;it's extremely useful.12:55
NikopolSillySilly, add sudo after doing the tab completion with a 'home'12:55
William_CainShould I upgrade to Hoary?12:55
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William_CainTo test?12:55
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: I might not be here when you get back. Time to walk the dog.12:55
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: gotcha12:55
William_CainOr wouldn't the drivers work better there anyway?12:55
niamhsysrq, ah, a full path required. cheers!12:56
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NikopolSillySilly, but I agree it's a pretty naff work around ;)12:56
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SillySillyit is12:57
NikopolI think it's inevitable with sudo - but I may be wrong12:57
Nikopolit will only autocomplete the first command12:58
Nikopolit then assumes you don't want two commands in a row12:58
Nikopolor somethign to that effect12:58
Nikopolof course you could set up a root account12:58
SillySillyok, got su working12:58
SillySillyi like su better anyway12:58
sysrqor just use sudo -s12:58
Nikopolproblem solved then :)12:59
Nikopolsysrq, didn't know that one - good tip!12:59
SillySillycomcast is upgrading me this week hopefully12:59
SillySillyyeah, tab completion definately sucks01:00
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odie5533What is the best Java IDE and where can I download it?01:02
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dreamwavehi.  well, i've got ubuntu installed.  but it never asked me for a root password.  anyone know what the default it?01:08
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^thehatsrule^root is disabled by default01:08
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^thehatsrule^use 'sudo' to use account01:08
^thehatsrule^i mean priveleges01:09
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DemitriusI am a bit new to linux and I am running hoary right now, and I wanted to get kubuntu01:09
dreamwaveso, how do i go about running apt-get by hand?01:09
Demitriusso I tried sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop01:09
LinuxJonesdreamwave, as an example sudo -s (enter your user password) will give you a root-like terminal01:09
Demitriusbut it could not find it01:09
^thehatsrule^dreamwave: 'sudo apt-get install file'01:10
apokryphosDemitrius: sudo apt-get update01:10
apokryphosdreamwave: are you sure you're running hoary?01:10
Demitriusits updating01:11
dreamwaveapokryphos, yep.  just installed the preview release.01:11
apokryphosdreamwave: sorry, wrong person!01:11
apokryphosDemitrius: you definitely on hoary?01:11
dreamwavesudo -s did it for me.  thanks for the help.  ah.  okay.01:11
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jncP.S. Hoary preview = my savior for business01:11
jncthank y'all01:12
^thehatsrule^ -s?01:12
apokryphosDemitrius: join #kubuntu01:12
Demitriusit still could not find it01:12
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jnci am confused, how to change the language?01:14
jncthere is 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' but then gdm language is not changed01:14
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regeyawally world run01:16
PacoBCNjust wondering why, while all the gnome menus items are in spanish, the 3 main titles "Applications, Places and System" are in english01:16
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LinuxJonesjnc, do you have to install the language support ?01:16
jncLinuxJones: i do not01:17
jncas a prank, i installed with bulgarian language on a friend's mother's computer01:18
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jncthe friend was freaked out (good!  mission accomplished)01:18
LinuxJonesjnc, heh01:18
jnchis mom was not comfortable with bulgarian, and asked for english01:18
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jncLinuxJones: the friend is a bulgarian guy, into the usa when he was 14-1501:19
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jncso the language is only minor trouble for him01:19
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jnchis mother was not happy with bulgarian text on the computer01:19
manchineanyone here using nicotine as slsk client?01:19
manchineit has several issues in hoary01:20
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LinuxJonesjnc, try dpkg-reconfigure console-data01:21
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jncconsole-data would affect gdm?01:21
jncthat is funny01:21
LinuxJonesjnc, try it01:21
aspuruwlan0     No scan results01:21
jncLinuxJones: i will try to remember that one, thank you01:22
LinuxJonesjnc, ;)01:22
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holycowhey :)01:22
jncthe target machine i um, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdaaa'd it01:23
jnci was so fustrated01:23
holycowhey i'm not fan of ubuntu, but wanted to give you guy props01:23
holycowwith ubuntu on the rise and announcement of kubuntu  i think you guys are kicking some ass :)01:23
holycowlol finally someone managed to get everyone excited about debian01:23
LinuxJonesholycow, your a kde guy ?01:23
holycownice work people01:23
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holycowno i'm just happy with debian01:24
LinuxJonesholycow, ahh01:24
apokryphosLinuxJones: we're like a plague ;)01:24
LinuxJonesapokryphos, your not a kde guy ??01:24
jncholycow: Ubuntu is seriously easy to use.   i love to tinker around, but Ubuntu ... doesn't need much tinkering01:24
holycowlol and ubuntu users seem to be as rabid as gentoo folks, which i think is a good thing, debian really needed a shot in the arm01:24
LinuxJonesjnc, ;)01:24
jncit works. beautifully.     (provided your hardware kicks ass)01:24
jnci tried it on a few 64mb ram machines.  bad freaking idea.01:25
WWActually, libranet got me started with debian.  But 2.8.1 is old...01:25
holycowjnc not really ... i've had gnome on 64 meg p300's01:25
LinuxJonesWW, I used Libranet for a while01:25
apokryphosLinuxJones: I am :) My kde ranting all the time... ah yes.01:25
jncwith all respect to the KDE people, i like that Ubuntu is GNOME based01:25
holycowit's usable, obviously not speedy like a 3ghz cpu with a nice nvidia card but ... *shrug*01:25
LinuxJonesapokryphos, I won't hold that against you pal :)01:25
mjrwell, running gnome with 64 megs is surely possible, but not very pleasurable :)01:26
WWLinuxJones: I still have it on my laptop, but now my home computer is Ubuntu, and my office computer is sarge.01:26
jncsimply because it is so completely different from Mac or Windows01:26
jnci mean, not reinventing the wheel different01:26
apokryphosLinuxJones: ;)01:26
jncbut the trash is not on the screen, there's no start menu01:26
jncno crap that i am so sick of with windows01:26
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LinuxJonesWW, I found the compile kernel option in adminmenu usefull, I like not having to bother compiling kernels anymore :P01:26
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jncugh! kernel compile.   those are fun01:27
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jncyou do 50-60 of those and it's like, "okay, time to menuconfig.  i've got my cup of (drink liquid) and (snack food) ready.  let's go linux!"01:28
LinuxJonesjnc, alot of bs getting things running on Debian a few years ago :)01:28
speedy2782what is your favorite money manager for Ubuntu?01:28
jncLinuxJones: yes!01:28
jncspeedy2782: gnucash = new hottness01:28
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jncthe learning curve is high if you don't know about accounting already01:28
MMondInstant messengers.. I'd like to use them in terminal, any that are offered at the present time?01:28
jncMMond: good question01:29
foreachjnc - but learning gnucash can be done of course01:29
gratuitMMond: I know there is an AIM client made with ncurses01:29
jncforeach: *i'm TRYING*01:29
jncbelieve you me01:29
LinuxJonesMMond, I don't know of any :)01:29
mjrMMond, well, for irc, irssi is good01:29
sysrqMMond: you can use bitlbee with any cli IRC client01:29
foreachjnc - I haven't started - I downloaded it a little bit, and well, I didn't have much luck01:29
jncMMond: i was about to say, maybe not IM but for IRC i am using a combination of 'screen' and irssi01:29
mjrfor jabber, there's imcom, which I happen to think sucks, but it is there :)01:30
jncforeach: if you like, we can find someone who knows and work together01:30
mjrand cabber01:30
foreachjnc - That's real nice of ya. Sure thing.01:30
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holycowas well, i might add that you guys have proven that debian could do very well with time based releases01:30
gratuitMMond: yeah, the aim client I was thinking of is called naim01:30
holycowyour patched snapshots of debian on a regular interval is brilliant too01:30
markybobwhy does vmware require that it be run as root in ubuntu?  i've never had this problem with any other distro.  how can i allow normal users to run it in ubuntu?01:31
LinuxJonesholycow, by the sounds of it the Debian guys are getting a little worried about folks leaving Debian for more up2date distros01:31
crimsunholycow: to be fair, libranet (and others) have been doing it for some time.01:31
holycowcrimsun, true *nod*01:31
holycowLinuxJones, yeah, well they are comming here01:31
holycowand for good reason01:32
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ZeppWhy do i have to enter certain keys twice before they appear on screen like  key and ^01:32
LinuxJonesholycow, supporting all of those architectures that .02 % of users actually use is a tremendous waste of resources01:32
MMondsorry about the delayed response, but I'm here now. irssi, yes, but other than IRC . . . perhaps AIM, yahoo, msn.. for strict CLI, and naim.. I'll check it out, thanks01:33
holycowLinuxJones, heh, there is the counter argument to that which is, not everyone uses the inferior x86 technology01:33
LinuxJonesholycow, but mob rules :D01:34
holycowlol so true01:34
jncLinuxJones: P.S.  say 'up2date' again and i fwap you with a harmless foam bat01:34
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Zeppalot of people would say bothering with linux is a waste of resources when only like 1% or whatever of people use it01:34
gratuitLinuxJones: then use windows?01:34
LinuxJonesjnc, go ahead and give me a slap :)01:34
crimsunup2date is a great alias for sudo apt-get update01:34
LinuxJonesgratuit, why would I want to do something like that ?01:34
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gratuitLinuxJones: if the mob rules, then clearly it's better01:35
ZeppNo one can answer my wierd keyboard problem?01:35
SeeleyUSMCWell, it turns out that ath_pci and ath_hal are loaded modules...but I don't know what to do now01:36
jncZepp: i didn't catch the question01:36
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LinuxJonesgratuit, x86 is cheap and works well for desktop stuff.01:36
ZeppWhy do i have to enter certain keys twice before they appear on screen like  key and ^01:36
gratuitLinuxJones: in fact I do agree with you though, supporting 11 archs is a little overkill01:36
jncZepp: oh okay01:36
jnci've seen that once before01:36
jncsorry i don't know right away the cause of it01:36
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iapx8088[OT]  is ps a graphical format? I mean I don't see the search key in gnome-postscript01:37
ZeppKubuntu hoary preview :P01:37
mjriapx8088, it's generally not searchable01:37
iapx8088is it a lack of the program or it's impossibile to search a ps01:37
iapx8088mjr I suspected that.01:37
mjrthough in special cases you may be able to get away with grepping the source ;)01:37
iapx8088mjr I see.01:37
JDahliapx8088, in general you cannot search a PS since the text doesnt necessarily appear as strings in the document01:38
iapx8088another thing, did anyone try nerolinux01:38
gratuitiapx8088: well, with text recognition, it's possible to search any graphical format to some extent.... so there might be something out there that can01:38
iapx8088gratuit, I guess I'll simple print and ocr it  to sgml :)01:38
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: are you back yet?01:38
WWiapx8088: Maybe try ps2pdf or some other conversion first.01:39
iapx8088WW I'm trying01:39
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jnci have to ask, why is 'xpdf' used and not 'gpdf' ?01:40
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jncgpdf prints much easier01:40
ikarogpdf its justa gui01:41
SeeleyUSMCstuNNed: are you here?01:41
jncis it!?01:41
WWjnc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/gpdf/view?searchterm=xpdf01:42
crimsun(yes, it is)01:42
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jncwell then, why is it not installed by default i wonder01:42
jncit is in 'restricted'01:42
jnci don't understand01:42
ZeppSo know one knows how to solve my wierd keyboard problem where have to hit button twice. damn01:42
crimsunrestricted doesn't mean it's not installed by default01:42
crimsunremember linux-restricted-modules is installed by default01:42
jnci am new, forgive me01:42
jncand thanks01:42
jnci've been hacking away at linux 8 or 9 years now01:43
jncstill things suprise me when they are blindingly simple01:43
iapx8088hoary is just fine01:43
iapx8088I'm astonished01:43
sysrqjnc: I believe restricted implys restrictive a license01:44
jncsysrq: i thought so01:44
sysrq*a restrictive license01:44
jnchowever, it reads that gpdf lacks features01:44
jncand that is why it was put into restrictive?01:44
jnci don't know01:44
odie5533Why does ubuntu have so many programs running?01:44
mjrgpdf isn't in restricted, it's in universe01:44
jnchardware detection maybe01:44
jncmy mistake01:44
crimsunodie5533: compared with what, openbsd?01:44
jncit is in universe then01:44
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jnceach program has a seperate memory space01:45
jncif one dies, the others are not affected01:45
crimsunodie5533: most of those processes are essential to the function of your gnome/kde/desktop01:45
jncwith windows, it's not really protected01:45
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jncone dies, and corrupts a block of memory with your sales report01:45
jncyou're stuck01:45
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, hi01:46
jncubuntu does not have trouble like this01:46
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LordGrunti want to remove nvidia packages from my system completely. but synaptic forces me to uninstall bunch of other things, like linux-386, linux-restricted-modules*** etc01:46
LordGruntcan i ?01:47
kumichoyou mean the drivers for x?01:47
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, you can just not use them01:47
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LordGrunti *need* to *remove* these...01:48
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, can I ask why ?01:48
LordGruntand stupid synaptic wants to remove kernel. argh01:48
kumichoyeah they may conflict01:48
crimsunLordGrunt: linux-386 is a metapackage, it's not _necessary_ to have it01:48
crimsunLordGrunt: same with ubuntu-desktop01:48
LordGruntlemme type it all :)01:48
SeeleyUSMCAnyone feel like trying to tackle the "SeeleyUSMC wireless network challenge"?01:49
LinuxJonesPoor SeeleyUSMC, you have been battling with that the entire day :D01:49
SeeleyUSMCI'll survive...even if I have to do everything in windows i guess.01:50
LordGruntwhen i install external nvidia drivers, which i need, cause these are better, then if an automatic update will happen, it will restore old nvidia packages. then, as i had such situation, everything using Gl, segfaults. so, you see, i need these packs removed01:50
geneo93LinuxJones:  hard to run 64 bit stuf on 32 bit hardware01:50
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AnubisInternal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.01:52
toni^what was the command to mount iso image?01:52
SeeleyUSMCI've been researching ALL day since 0630 and now its 1652!!! GRRR!!!01:52
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LinuxJonesLordGrunt, did you have any probles with hardware after your initial install ?01:52
crimsuntoni^: sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop some.iso /somemountpoint01:52
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toni^crimsun: ty01:53
LordGruntyeah, couldnt watch movies at all. was like slideshow, no hw accel at all01:53
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, what I am asking is do you need linux-restricted-modules for any of your other hardware ?01:53
codymanhi.. i am tring to uncomment the "restricted" packages located in the (K)ubuntu sources.list and when i uncomment them they result in a 40401:53
AnubisRhythmbox 0.8.801:53
Anubismy rhythmbox is borked01:53
crimsunAnubis: reproducible?01:53
LordGruntLinuxJones: i dont care anymore, they just got removed ;)01:53
Anubissome gstreamer pad problems01:53
Anubiscrimsun, very01:53
Anubisanytime I try to play anything01:54
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, it's fine to remove all of those other packages don't worry about it01:54
foreachcodyman, what command did you run to get those 404's? apt-get update ?01:54
codymanforeach: yes01:54
optikshi. I'm trying to get x running, and I keep getting 'no devices found' error .. I've ran the 'configurer' quite a few times and have had no luck ... my gfx card is a PCI-e nvidia 6600gt .. has anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?01:54
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, just change your video driver to vesa in your x config file01:54
codymanforeach: if i uncomment them in the sources.list and run apt-get update i get 404 not found01:54
LinuxJonesLordGrunt, oh yeah and remove the glx entry as well01:55
Anubiscrimsun, Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug01:55
crimsunAnubis: does gst-launch-0.8 work? [man gst-launch-0.8, see the example usage at the end of the man page] 01:55
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LordGruntLinuxJones: i will use nvidia drivers, just these from nvidia site.01:55
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pinPointcan i still play my Counter Strike in ubuntu?01:56
LinuxJonespinPoint, I believe so01:56
pinPointwithout much problems?01:56
pinPointwhat apps? cedega?01:57
optikspinPoint: you need wine/winex... I've found tha, personally, it doesn't run as nicely though.01:57
LinuxJonespinPoint, I don't run CS but I'm sure there are 1000 hits on google for it01:57
PuNzIn[K] eEhey does ubuntu work on SATA?01:58
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aspuruI don't get a boot menu in LILO, how do I access it? (I have a second Windows partition in my laptop that I lost when installing ubuntu)01:58
optiksPuNzIn[K] eE: yes01:58
^thehatsrule^pinPoint, it runs fine, i tried cs1.3 long ago, worked just as fine01:58
mjraspuru, ubuntu doesn't use lilo, but grub; you can get a grub menu with esc01:59
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aspuruthanks mjr :)01:59
LinuxJonesPuNzIn[K] eE, I seem to recall there being problems with grub on sata though.01:59
SeeleyUSMCWow, #wireless is a REAL help...its practically dead in there02:00
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thenukemaybe it is not helpdesk02:00
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: would you quickly recap what probs with wireless?02:01
thenukeor maybe it is not 24h helpdesk02:01
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PuNzIn[K] eEim looking for a distro that can work on sata. i tried suse but it cant detect my hard drive. im thinking of getting ubuntu but im not sure if it will work02:01
codymanwhat location would i add to my sources.list file for restricted/marilliat depositories FOR amd64 kubuntu02:01
Katehow is everyone?02:01
crimsunPuNzIn[K] eE: try array-702:01
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^thehatsrule^were fine fine ;p02:02
optiksPuNzIn[K] eE: it's working fine on my sata wd raptor02:02
Katethat good02:02
ephemeralwhy does Hoary not come with GNOME?02:02
Katedoesnt it?02:02
^thehatsrule^it should...02:02
LinuxJonesephemeral, sure it does02:02
mjrcodyman, you might try http://debian.video.free.fr/02:02
codymanephermal: it doesn't come with kde but it definately comes with gnome...02:02
SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: My only connection to the Internet is wireless.  It works on windows which is what I'm using now.  ath_pci and ath_hal are loaded modules, hardware configure shows that I have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)...02:03
codymanmjr: thanks02:03
^thehatsrule^suse should work too... never used it tho02:03
PuNzIn[K] eEok. thanks02:03
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geneo93ephemeral:  because you got kubuntu02:03
ephemeralhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso    << This came with KDE not GNOME02:03
crimsunPuNzIn[K] eE: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/02:03
^thehatsrule^O.o interesting02:03
^thehatsrule^maybe kde was only optimized for amd64?02:03
ephemeralit baffles me02:04
Kateat least you guys probably have real modems...02:04
^thehatsrule^what does array cd 7 mean?02:04
Marble2can someone help me? the timing with audio and video is off synch slightly in totem-xine. It's not just one file, it happens on any file I play02:04
^thehatsrule^oh... just 64-bit02:04
apokryphos^thehatsrule^: it's just a snapshot of how the developement is going on ISO.02:04
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: So what happened?02:05
^thehatsrule^Marble2, turn down the quality?02:05
ephemeralso why no GNOME on that ISO?02:05
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Marble2^thehatsrule^: how do I do that?02:05
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: does ,,ifconfig ath0'' return anything?02:05
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: ifconfig didn't show anything else, lsmod showed ath_pci and ath_hal02:06
pinPoint^thehatsrule^: thanks02:06
^thehatsrule^im not sure... havent used totem-xine before...02:06
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SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: there is no ath002:06
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Darn02:06
^thehatsrule^Marble2, is it a dvd?02:06
pinPointcrimsun: hello02:06
Marble2avi file02:06
crimsunpinPoint: hi02:06
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: And didyou see anything relevant in dmesg?02:06
pinPointcrimsun: i played with that nic and it never worked02:06
pinPointthought it got active02:06
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crimsunpinPoint: which nic?02:06
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optikshi. I'm trying to get x running, and I keep getting 'no devices found' error .. I've ran the 'configurer' quite a few times and have had no luck ... my gfx card is a PCI-e nvidia 6600gt .. has anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?02:06
pinPointso im heading to best buy to get the G650 Dlink02:06
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I wrote somethings down that I saw in lsmod.  I didn't notice anything in all that dmesg stuff02:07
aspuruoptiks, have you tried using the nv driver first?02:07
Marble2^thehatsrule^: xvid I think02:07
^thehatsrule^optiks, xorg?02:07
aspuruoptiks: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or something like that?)02:07
^thehatsrule^oh nvm then... hehe02:07
optiks^thehatsrule^: xf8602:07
optiksaspuru: that's correct, I've tried xf86config, too02:08
^thehatsrule^i read something of 6600gt on the forums02:08
optiksshould I try xorg ?02:08
optiksit came with xf86 ... after installing ubuntu-desktop02:08
^thehatsrule^did you edit xf86config-4? thats executed first02:08
danielsoptiks: are you running warty or hoary?02:08
optiksyeah ... there's not that much to edit though. everything looks fine.02:08
danielsoptiks: if you're running warty, then unfortunately that card is unsupported02:08
danielsit was released after warty was02:09
optikscrap !02:09
^thehatsrule^Marble2, i know in windows, you can open a config for any codec... and change the quality02:09
optikscan I patch it somehow?02:09
LinuxJonesoptika, what video driver do you have selected ?02:09
optiksLinuxJones: nv02:09
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LinuxJonesoptika, vesa might work02:09
danielsoptiks: no, unfortunately; you can use vesa as LinuxJones selected, but only if you don't actually care about performance02:09
^thehatsrule^daniels, couldnt he just download a new driver from nvidia.com ?02:09
optiksI'm new to ubuntu ... from what I gather hoary is the sort of 'testing' version, is it fine to run though?02:10
^thehatsrule^(forgive me if that sounds stupid)02:10
daniels^thehatsrule^: well, yeah, but I'm hesitant to recommend that since it often goes wrong02:10
danielsoptiks: yeah, hoary is the release coming up, and array 7 is the current test cd02:10
^thehatsrule^oh? :/ twas fine on my other linux.. guess ubuntu is speshul :P02:10
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crimsunSeeleyUSMC: presuming you're in the socal area?02:10
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: any ideas?  I've been at this for 10+ hours lol02:10
Marble2^thehatsrule^: ugh, I just checked and it happens in any player I use02:11
optiksdaniels: cool. so it's fine to run hoary though? as in it isn't totally development version :P02:11
SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: I live on a Marine Corps base in Twentynine Palms, CA (by Palm Springs)02:11
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: (otherwise you may have needed to pass additional parameters to modprobe ath-pci if you're outside the USA)02:11
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Nothing just at the moment.  I'm cogitating, though.  Can't you smell the burning insulation? :-)02:11
^thehatsrule^Marble2, check the faq of the xvid driver?02:11
^thehatsrule^if not... htne you could manually redo the whole avi02:12
IcedKiwihey DarthFrog, guess what? my 'modem' still doesnt work lol02:12
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: ok, bear with me, please lsmod|grep ^ati_pci02:12
Marble2maybe my codec is out of date02:12
danielsoptiks: seems to work most of the time02:12
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: err, lsmod|grep ^ath_pci02:12
^thehatsrule^you sure your video is in sync?02:12
IcedKiwiits Kate02:12
DarthFrogcrimsun: Both ath_pci and ath_hal are loading02:12
Marble2^thehatsrule^: with what?02:12
^thehatsrule^Marble2, if the video doesnt have that 'flag' rendered with it, on older hardware, video tends to be desynched with the audio02:13
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SeeleyUSMCLet me see if my buddy will be kind enough to let me borrow his laptop again so I can chat and try this at the same time...brb02:13
optiksdaniels: okay. I'll give that a go. pity I found this out after just waiting for the whole apt for desktop ;P02:13
optiksthanks a lot :)02:13
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Marble2^thehatsrule^: I'm not exactly using older hardware02:13
optiksI'll try the nvidia driver first though, there might be some hope left02:13
DarthFrogcrimsun: The driver and firmware are loading but he's not seeing the ath0 interface.02:13
IcedKiwii am :'(02:14
danielsoptiks: heh02:14
danielsoptiks: no worries -- good luck with it02:14
danielsDarthFrog: it's probably just not up02:14
IcedKiwii need fuel. brb02:14
crimsundaniels: my thoughts as well, save ifconfig ath0 doesn't show anything02:14
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pinPointwhats ath?02:15
^thehatsrule^Marble2, maybe... is your video driver installed?02:15
crimsundon't know enough about atheros regarding whether its iface is always athX or if it can be ethX02:15
^thehatsrule^like new version, etc02:15
DarthFrogdaniels, crimsun: well, let's get him to "ifconfig ath0 up" next time. :-)02:15
^thehatsrule^maybe that can help02:15
crimsunDarthFrog: yep, except see what I typed above :-)02:15
danielsath won't start associating with anything until it's up02:15
danielsi've been caught out by that one a fair bit02:16
DarthFrogpinPoint: It's a wireless network interface.  For Atheros based wireless cards.02:16
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crimsundaniels: ah!02:16
DarthFrogcrimsun: Yeah, I know.02:16
^thehatsrule^Marble2, search for the xvid frontend then,if your video driver is fine02:16
DarthFrogdaniels: Well, well, maybe it'll be that simple.02:16
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Marble2^thehatsrule^: I don't know about my video driver...02:16
Marble2I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200.02:17
Marble2I never installed any drivers02:17
^thehatsrule^oh... no video acceleration :/02:18
Marble2^thehatsrule^: It's the same on divx files too02:18
^thehatsrule^tho its hard under linux, so i hear02:18
Marble2video acceleration?02:18
optiksargh. there's no development tools... (gcc, g++, cc, etc)... is there a package that installs all of them, or must they be installed individually? (tedious!)02:18
mjrumm, radeon 9200 does have free accelerated drivers02:19
crimsunoptiks: sudo apt-get install build-essential02:19
^thehatsrule^yes... because you dont have the ati accelerated drivers installed02:19
optikscheerio :D02:19
^thehatsrule^oh... so hes using it mjr?02:19
Marble2where do I get those drivers?02:19
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mjr^thehatsrule^, probably, since it comes out of the box with ubuntu02:19
^thehatsrule^heh then my fault... again ;p02:20
Marble2so uh02:20
Marble2what is wrong?02:20
^thehatsrule^wonder if my radeon 7000 works ?02:20
^thehatsrule^even better, lets find a list!02:20
^thehatsrule^well uh, Marble2, maybe check http://ronald.vslcatena.nl/docs/xvidfaq.html#B8 ?02:21
mjrthenuke, should02:21
mdz3d is supported out of the box on radeon 700002:21
Marble2^thehatsrule^: it's not just xvid files.02:21
IcedKiwii have the opposite problem with my sound02:21
Marble2other ones too02:21
IcedKiwilinux can use it, but windows can't02:21
^thehatsrule^Marble2, well, you could go to each codec config, and degrade each one02:21
^thehatsrule^lol thats weird IcedKiwi02:22
apokryphosWould anyone have any idea why I can't get sound out of all my speakers (only two of 'em)? This is probably the one recurring problem I've had on ubuntu. It mucks up the bass etc.. :(02:22
IcedKiwii know02:22
Marble2what would degrading it do02:22
Marble2would I lose quality?02:22
IcedKiwiwith my 'modem' its a winmodem02:22
Marble2it seems like something else if it's a problem in every type of codec02:22
apokryphosWorked fine on previous distros (Fedora, Mandrake).02:22
IcedKiwii cant get sound with windows, but it works fine with fedora02:22
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IcedKiwidoesnt work with ubuntu02:22
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IcedKiwi*fedora's installation was nice and pretty02:23
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jonohi guys02:23
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^thehatsrule^Marble2... well i set mine to one notch lower... cant tell the difference, cept its smooth02:23
LinuxJoneshi jono02:23
optiksIcedKiwi: they seem to pride themselves on their installer. it is very well made.02:23
jonohi LinuxJones :)02:23
^thehatsrule^mjr, Marble2, For most 3D requirements the system will work, but slowly unless you install the binary driver for your video card. See the BinaryDriverHowto for information on how to install binary drivers for your video card. This is true for at least ATI, NVIDIA, and 3dLabs cards.02:23
^thehatsrule^thats in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards02:24
Marble2I'll do that02:24
daniels3d labs have a binary driver?02:24
jonoseems like the bugfix packages are coming thick and strong :)02:24
^thehatsrule^so it seems you should download a new version...02:24
^thehatsrule^dunno if 3dlabs does ;p02:24
LinuxJonesjono, every 10 minutes it seems :002:24
jonoLinuxJones, :)02:24
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IcedKiwiits very pretty02:25
usernamedoes ubuntu automatically install updates on a regular periodic basis?02:25
jonohas any more work gone on with the hardware database?02:25
mjr^thehatsrule^, well, that's a bit of an oversimplification02:25
njanusername, no02:25
odie5533How do I download kde for ubuntu02:25
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njanodie5533, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop02:25
usernamenjan, oh02:25
b_e_n_zodie5533: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?02:25
DarthFrogodie: Use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop.02:25
odie5533njan, is that the same thing as this Kubuntu thing?02:25
njanusername, you need to use synaptic or apt-get update and apt-get upgrade02:25
mjr(though the binary drivers are probably faster for freely supported radeons too)02:26
crimsunodie5533: yes02:26
LinuxJonesjono, you want to add that IRiver in there don't you :)02:26
njanodie5533, yup. kubuntu == ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop02:26
geneo93odie5533:  sudo apt-get install kde02:26
drspinahhh --- what are my fstab options so that I can read/write to /dev/hda7 ??02:26
jonoLinuxJones, heh :)02:26
njandrspin, what format is /dev/hda7 and do you want it mounted so anyone can read/write to it?02:26
goxyi have trouble with intel 536ep anybody knows solution02:26
odie5533so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install this: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php, well the KDE part?02:26
ermomjr, could you clarify that?02:26
drspinnjan: ext 2 and yes :)02:27
LinuxJonesjono, can I get a preview of what's up for the next show ?02:27
apokryphosodie5533: see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingkde02:27
DarthFrogodie5533: Yes.02:27
jonoLinuxJones, all going well, an interview with Alan Cox for starters :)02:27
odie5533kk, (typing it in now ;D)02:27
LinuxJonesjono, awesome02:27
jonoLinuxJones, :)02:27
mjrermo, how? The free DRI drivers support 3d acceleration for Radeons up to and including 9250, but ATI's proprietary offering probably is a bit faster (and supports later models).02:27
jonoLinuxJones, you coming to LUGRadio Live?02:28
mjr'course, I use the DRI02:28
ermomjr, me too.02:28
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mdzodie5533: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE02:28
LinuxJonesjono, It's like 5 thousand miles away :P02:28
LinuxJonesjono, maybe not that far02:28
drspinnjan: ext2 and I want anyone to be able to r/w02:28
njandrspin, /dev/hda7       /mountpoint          ext2    umask=0,defaults        0       002:28
usernamewhy would 'synaptic' and 'apt-get' have such cumbersome and non-descriptive names?02:28
DarthFrogmjr: if you can get the blasted thing working!  I fought for half the afternoon to get DRI working with my Radeon 9800 Pro.02:28
jonoLinuxJones, so? heh, we have people coming from california, norway, france and other places :)02:28
drspinnjan: thanks!02:28
njanusername, because that's what the package maintainer has decided the package is called.02:29
jonoLinuxJones, we are also doing paintball the day after :D02:29
mdzodie5533: if you install Ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, you get GNOME and KDE both.  If you install Kubuntu, you get only KDE.02:29
IcedKiwiwhy cant hardware and software live in perfect harmony?02:29
njanIcedKiwi, because the universe would explode.02:29
ermomjr, how would one test that hypothesis? Or, rather, what programs would be good benchmarks?02:29
ermomjr, you got me curious  :)02:29
LinuxJonesjono, I am starting a little business and cash is tight atm but I would love to go )02:29
njanermo, glxgears?02:29
ermonjan, that's one02:29
usernamenjan, then the 'package maintainer' shouldn't be doing that part of the task.02:29
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mdzermo: the classic test is glxgears02:29
jonoLinuxJones, no probs :)02:29
jonoLinuxJones, what kind of business?02:29
ermomdz, all right.02:29
SeeleyUSMCI'm on my friends laptop now, so fire away with suggestions02:29
mjrglxgears isn't really a good test (though it may be indicative of some differences)02:29
^thehatsrule^glxgears... hmm02:29
IcedKiwinjan, lol02:29
njanusername, tbh, with a system setup with synaptic, the name of the package doesn't matter.02:29
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Do "ifconfigure ath0 up".02:30
njanusername, you can search for what you need, and the package just has a description.02:30
usernamenjan, of course it matters02:30
mjrI'd just see framerates in some 3d games02:30
LinuxJonesjono, I'm going to produce Linux Instructional Videos02:30
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jonoLinuxJones, cool :)02:30
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LinuxJonesjono, the Ubuntu version will be free for download of course :)02:30
goxyi have trouble with intel 536ep02:30
mjrsleep now02:30
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Urk, make that "ifconfig ath0 up" :-)02:30
ermomjr, precisely my thought. I wouldn't know what 3d game to use, though. It'd have to be shareware. Quake 3, perhaps.02:30
njanusername, not really. 95% of the time the package name is the same as the name of the software, and for something like kubuntu-desktop, you either know you need it, ask, or look at the package description.02:30
usernameit needs to be called something akin to what it does.02:30
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njanermo, enemy territory! :)02:30
crimsunDragonFly: (and prepend sudo)02:30
njanermo, free, and fun! :)02:30
jonoLinuxJones, awesome, let me know when its done and I will pimp it on the show :D02:30
crimsunDragonFly: sorry02:30
LinuxJonesjono, i have to bust out my axe and get working on some music02:30
IcedKiwiim yahooing linux modem drivers as we speak02:30
codymani have integrated speakers on my notebook and i also have a usb sound card hooked up.. i want my music to play through the usb card but its playing through the built in speakers... how can i switch it around?02:31
^thehatsrule^hehe njan, thats a great game :P02:31
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LinuxJonesjono, cool02:31
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: auth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device02:31
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: ath0, not auth002:31
njan^thehatsrule^, tell me about it :)02:31
ermonjan, maybe I'll try that. Any other suggestions?02:31
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njanermo, yeah, the tc:elite mod for enemy territory, because it kicks serious ass.02:31
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: same thing02:31
^thehatsrule^njan: i still have it since i downloaded the first test version ;p02:31
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Darn.02:31
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njan^thehatsrule^, have you played tc:elite?02:31
^thehatsrule^just played it earlier02:32
^thehatsrule^in fact02:32
njan^thehatsrule^, like?02:32
usernameif 'synaptic' and 'apt-get' are the functional equivalent of the conventional 'Software Update', then 'Software Update' is the one I'd use when I think I might want to update my software.02:32
ermonjan, I'm more interested in benchmarking different engines. I mean, how else would I get an idea of which driver is the 'best'?02:32
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njanjono, it's a free mod for enemy territory, which is free02:32
njanermo, whichever one lets you have the most fun is the best :p02:32
^thehatsrule^username, create your own aliases02:32
ermonjan, trouble is, I've gamed 3d games on linux.02:32
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jononjan, cool - have you seen clan.lugradio.org? we have a clan of people who play ET regularly :)02:32
ermonjan, 'never gamed' actually02:32
^thehatsrule^its true combat: elite, tce for short02:32
usernamethehatsrule - I can't go round doing that on everyone elses machines though02:32
njanjono, nope, but I'll take a look :)02:33
jononjan, :) cool I know they would welcome you to game with them02:33
usernamethehatsrule - there's little point in balkanising my own installation02:33
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^thehatsrule^sure you can, then just use sh scripts02:33
njanjono, since I started playing tc:elite, though, my et has gone down the drain02:33
^thehatsrule^jono: lugradio?02:33
ZeppDoes anyone know why i have to hit certain keys like  and ^ twice before they will appear on screen02:33
^thehatsrule^is that spanish or somehting? hehe02:33
njanjono, I used to be consistantly in the top 10% of most servers, now I'm about midway, because I've gotten bad (or good) habits from tc:elite02:34
jono^thehatsrule^, it is a rather irreverent Open Source radio show I am with02:34
jono^thehatsrule^, www.lugradio.org02:34
^thehatsrule^lol... the ET radio freaks!02:34
jononjan, shit! :(02:34
njanjono, things really annoy me, like in tc:elite you can fire whilst leaning around corners, and you can't in et. I've been killed loads of times as engineer trying to fire around corners and realising I couldn't02:34
jono^thehatsrule^, huh?02:34
ermonjan, link?02:34
^thehatsrule^engineer - use grenades ;p02:34
usernamethe names of programs of open-source programs is a significant problem that needs attention.02:34
^thehatsrule^lol j/k02:34
njanermo, http://www.truecombat.com/intro.php02:35
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ermonjan, thx02:35
codymannjan: truecombat is great i've been playing it since the quake 3    .45 build days02:35
usernameit would seem that the people in charge of making open source programs are by and large, quite bad at conceiving viable names for the product.02:35
njancodyman, I'm told that tc:elite is quite different from the q3 mod, but I've never played the q3 version :)02:35
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jonoback in a bit...02:36
codymannjan: yeah its different... the graphics are obviously superb in elite and also its freeeee02:36
da_bon_bonhi all02:36
njanusername, you write an oss package, you get to name it :p02:36
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^thehatsrule^cant wait until ET has Urban Terror too!02:36
njancodyman, :)02:36
usernamenjan, then that's a weak spot02:36
njanusername, I don't think so.02:36
Anubiscrimsun, I'm too stupid to use that cmd it seems02:36
njanusername, I can't think of any way in which it's detrimental to anyone.02:36
codymanthehatsrule: yeah how's et ut coming?02:36
Anubisdoes anyones rythmbox work fine?02:36
usernamenjan, well, yes. Almost all the names of open source products are incredibly badly thought out.02:36
Anubiscan mplayer be apt-gotten yet?02:37
gratuitusername: or with the GPL, you can actually go out, rename every program you want to, and distribute it under the different names02:37
^thehatsrule^well, they arent releasing yet... read some progress early this year02:37
njangratuit, :)02:37
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codymanusername: actually enemy territory originally wasn't going to be open source its just that the company making it abandoned it02:37
usernamegratuit, but that really doesn't solve the problem, does it.02:37
njanusername, I don't think the name has much bearing on the package.02:37
usernamenjan, of course it does02:37
^thehatsrule^its really a great game02:37
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njanusername, take apache. Apache is *the* most widely deployed OSS package, probably. In what way does the name 'apache' possibly relate to a web server?02:37
usernamenjan, how do people know what it does otherwise?02:37
njanusername, and in what way is firefox a web browser?02:37
^thehatsrule^codyman, they just abandoned the single player part, so they released it for free02:37
gratuitusername: I'm not sure I see a problem, are there any specific examples?02:38
njanusername, firefox has a *HUGE* number of users02:38
codymanthehatsrule: yeah but who needs single player???  anti-social??02:38
DarthFrognjan: I presume you know the origin of the name Apache?02:38
usernamegratuit, well, the specific examples I've already related are 'synaptic' and 'apt-get'02:38
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^thehatsrule^apache helicopters?02:38
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: What about NdisWrapper?02:38
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IcedKiwiplease dont hurt me for asking this, but why do people use firefox?02:38
njanDarthFrog, nope, which is probably more appropriate in this case, since with relevance to this particular argument, if you know where the name comes from, you necessarily know what the package does :)02:38
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usernamegratuit, compared to the conventional 'Software Update'02:38
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: There's another option.02:38
^thehatsrule^IcedKiwi, i use it for extensive browsing... its fast when its loaded02:39
codymanDarthFrog: figured out ndiswrapper... works great now.. only thing is i have to retype in my WEP key everytime i reboot02:39
njanIcedKiwi, a) free, b) secure(r), c) extensible02:39
gratuitah, synaptic I see, but how is 'advanced packaging tool'-get bad?02:39
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper02:39
IcedKiwii havent used a mozilla product for about a year now02:39
DarthFrogCodyman: Excellent!  Really glad to hear it.02:39
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: thats where I'm at :)02:39
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usernamegratuit, no, it's called 'apt-get', not 'advanced packaging tool-get'02:39
njanIcedKiwi, what do you use for linux web browsing?02:39
aquariusMy machine doesn't seem to be loading the modules in /etc/modules on boot. Is the list of stuff that prints out on startup logged anywhere? (i.e., things that happen from /etc/init.d, not early startup which is available from dmesg.)02:39
gratuitusername, it's an acronym02:39
IcedKiwii had to reinstall windows and i downloaded opera for something different02:39
njanIcedKiwi, opera isn't free. If it were, I'd use it.02:40
usernamegratuit, and who cares how advanced the packaging tool is - it should describe what it does02:40
iapx8088happy you02:40
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IcedKiwiim using it and i didnt pay for it02:40
njanIcedKiwi, for some of us, the philosophy behind a software package is as important as how good it is at what it does :)02:40
gratuitit 'gets' packages02:40
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njanIcedKiwi, that doesn't make it free.02:40
IcedKiwii guess02:40
DarthFrognjan: Well, it started off as the NCSA web server code. It had lots of patches applied to it. It was known as "A patchy web server". ;-)02:40
usernamebut 'Software Update' tells you what it does, normally.02:40
codymanso.. how can i bypass my integrated notebook soundcard and make my usb one work?02:41
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IcedKiwii used to use mozilla but it messed up too much02:41
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crimsunAnubis: come again?02:41
njanDarthFrog, I knew it started out with NCSA, but I didn't know that specifically. That's actually quite funny :)02:41
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gratuitbut now I'm just being difficult, but if every program that did that sort of thing were called Software Update, how would I tell if I was using an rpm, or .deb based distro?02:41
Anubiscrimsun, the cmd to play a music file02:41
IcedKiwithe main things for me are tabbed browsing and uncrashabiltiy02:41
odie5533is there a way to start kde like using the [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [F1]  then typing something?02:41
DarthFroggratuit: For most folks, it simply shouldn't matter.02:41
odie5533so I still have gnome open here02:41
usernamegratuit, doesn't matter - who cares - if it's that advanced, it sorts it out for you02:41
Anubiscrimsun, is there another app that uses gstreamer for me to check its functionailit02:42
sirukinhow would I apt-get everything I need for web development?02:42
njanodie5533, you can start a second instance of gdm or startx -- :1 if you have kde set to start in .xinitrc02:42
sirukinsuch as, php, apache, mysql, etc02:42
njanodie5533, it'll open on tty8, assuming you're on tty7 now.02:42
usernamegratuit, when I use Software Update, all I need to know is that it's found some updated software (or not) and it gets on and does it. I don't need to know how or why.02:42
odie5533So I type startx --:1 in any the normal terminal here?02:42
njanodie5533, no, in a real terminal.. Ctrl-Alt-F1, logon, do it there.02:43
sirukinI don't neccesarily mean that as much as, <sirukin> Do the universe repositories hold php-hardened, as well as mod_security?02:43
njanodie5533, but only if you have kde set to startup in .xinitrc02:43
odie5533I dont think I do02:43
odie5533I set default as gnome...02:43
njanodie5533, otherwise, you need to start gdm, and I think gdm takes the standard x arguments, but I'm not sure.. sec..02:43
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odie5533any other way to run kde?02:43
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njanodie5533, hmm.. or maybe you can't. I'd just stick it in .xinitrc and startx -- :102:44
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apokryphosodie5533: are you not using kdm?02:44
njanusername, in which case, how would you differentiate between, say, xterm, eterm, gnome-terminal, and kterm?02:44
odie5533I am using gdm02:44
njanusername, terminal emulator 1, terminal emulator 2, terminal emulator 3, terminal emulator 4?02:45
odie5533and I have gdm as default02:45
njanapokryphos, he wants to start kdm in another X session alongside gnome.02:45
usernamenjan, good point. I don't need to. If I need to type something into the terminal, I just need a terminal - not some assortment of different flavours of the same thing.02:45
njanusername, which is why distributions provide, by default, a package for anything the user needs to do, on a standard desktop install.02:45
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gratuitusername: but they arn't the same, some are geared for speed, others for eyecandy, there are many differences between them02:46
njanusername, what you have to understand is, most people who use ubuntu as a desktop replacement OS, have everything they need off the default install. Office packages, IM, e-mail client, browser.02:46
jintxoodie5533, try this, run a plain X server (in a terminal X :1 &) and then export DISPLAY=localhost:1 and startkde from the same terminal02:46
usernamenjan, but that's no different to what I'm used to.02:46
njanusername, if you need something else, you want to pick the package for it. People don't just buy a photo editor because it's a photo editor. They buy photoshop because it's photoshop.. or paintshop pro beacuse it's paintshop pro. You can't just make those choices for them.02:46
^thehatsrule^hey njan, wanna play a few rounds?02:47
njan^thehatsrule^, sure thing02:47
^thehatsrule^tce or et, tis fine02:47
njan^thehatsrule^, tce ;)02:47
njan^thehatsrule^, wherebouts are you?02:47
^thehatsrule^somehow ETF was ok... nothing speshul02:47
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njan^thehatsrule^, sec, lemme see if I can find a good server on the east coast02:47
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usernamenjan, I think you can. I think you can make educated choices for people which gives them a head start. To lay everything out on a table and say 'you choose' when all you've got to go on is an assortment of meaningless names is actually worse than no choice at all.02:47
akkAny installer people around?02:48
^thehatsrule^tho im visiting a coupla places02:48
^thehatsrule^so heres temporary ;p02:48
^thehatsrule^installer ppl?...02:48
njan^thehatsrule^, EU, but my ADSL connection is peered in london, so I get ~ok connections to NY02:48
usernamewhat makes people think that the user would be the most qualified to make a choice, rather than the system's creators?02:49
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akkI'm having trouble with the hoary installer ... wanted to check with someone before filing a bug.02:49
njanusername, that's why synaptic displays things in categories.02:49
gratuitusername: have you tried gnome-app-install?02:49
usernamenjan, that's assuming the user has found their way to 'synaptic' in the first place02:49
usernamegratuit, no, never heard of it02:49
^thehatsrule^njan alright, actually UK servers, i can get 125-150 ping if its good02:49
njanusername, it's quite obvious where/what synaptic is. Especially if they've read the ubuntu documentation02:49
aquariuswhat's /proc/ksyms? Should it exist in a warty system?02:49
usernamenjan, no it's not.02:50
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mdkeOMG http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=85801&_LOC=UK02:50
njanusername, I've just setup my wife, who has no prior experience with linux at all, with ubuntu, and she found it straight away.02:50
gratuitwell, if you're running ubuntu/gnome, it's under system tools, add/Remove Programs02:50
usernamenjan, maybe if they've read the documentation, maybe, but seriously, who's going to read the documentation? What a waste of time.02:50
^thehatsrule^everyone reads docs...02:50
njanbut seriously, who's going to read the documentation? What a waste of time. <= anyone who wants to learn how to use the operating system?02:50
njanthe same people who actually read school textbooks because they actually want to learn to add up, and speak foreign languages..02:51
mdkemmmm internet enabled microwaves...02:51
gratuitusername: it may be more to your liking, so you can at least recommend it to people02:51
usernamenjan, I don't want to learn how to use an operating system. I simply want to use it. I want it to learn how I would use it.02:51
njanyou can't compensate for laziness.02:51
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njanusername, and hoary afaik includes a tray-based update notifier for precisely that reason.02:51
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odie5533I tried X :1 and it froze my comp =/02:51
njanusername, but you can't just make choices for people too lazy to pick one of three IM clients.02:51
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usernameno, it's not laziness (or maybe it is, but get real - people are lazy). It's natural.02:51
^thehatsrule^njan, username, thats why i use trillian on windows ;p02:52
usernamenjan, yes you can - you can make choices for exactly that kind of person. Informed choices.02:52
jintxoodie5533, it worked ok for me (just tried it) I have an nvidia card02:52
gratuithow do I change my gnome default apps for arbtrary file types?02:52
usernamethehatsrule - I wouldn't know - I've never really used Windows yet.02:52
aquariusgratuit: right-click a file of the type and look at Open With.02:52
gratuitaquarius: what if I don't have any files of that type at this time?02:53
usernamemaking choices for people (if you're good at it) is not to be viewed as a restriction - it's an aid.02:53
^thehatsrule^username, well im pretty sure theres something similar to it in linux02:53
aquariusgratuit: don't know. On the other hand, if you don't have any, why do you need to set the association?02:53
njan^thehatsrule^, I can't find any servers at all with players in EU using xqf :/.. sec02:53
^thehatsrule^x query force?02:54
usernamethehatsrule - perhaps, but as I don't know what you're talking about in the first place, I now further won't know what you're referring to in linux either.02:54
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gratuitaquarius: for the future02:54
^thehatsrule^20:51| <njan> username, but you can't just make choices for people too lazy to pick one of three IM clients.02:54
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^thehatsrule^referring to that02:54
usernameah - im clients. I see.02:54
aquariusgratuit: I think it's in gconf somewhere, but I wouldn't swear to it.02:54
mdkeusername, you the guy from #gentoo?02:54
^thehatsrule^njan: want to to find one?02:54
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usernamemdke - yes02:54
usernamemdke, but I'm not as smart here as I seem there02:55
^thehatsrule^mdke.user ? O.o02:55
mdkeinventive huh02:55
odie5533when I do X :102:55
^thehatsrule^sounds like mandrake... heh02:55
odie5533it takes me to a gray screen02:55
odie5533with an X for a mouse02:55
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mdke^thehatsrule^, yeah i've had that before02:55
usernamemdke, here I take on the persona of one who has just come to linux, not as is the reality, one who has been running linux for 5 years02:55
mdkethey are my initials02:55
mdkeusername, how come?02:56
aquariusHurm. So, /etc/init.d/modutils depends on /proc/ksyms, but /proc/ksyms is deprecated and not in 2.6 kernels. Is this a bug, or has it been fixed in hoary?02:56
Marble2I get this error when I go to system -> prefs -> screen res: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to display size are not avalible"02:56
Marble2how do I fix this? I want to change my screen res02:56
jintxoodie5533, so then use ctrl-alt fX to go back to the original terminal you ran X from and export DISPLAY=localhost:1, that should make you able to run x progrmas on the X server you just ran02:56
usernamemdke, because I got fed up with gentoo - it occurred to me that I've become totally unproductive and all my time is spent making the bloody computer work instead of it allowing me to do my own work.02:56
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crimsunaquarius: both warty and hoary {will} ship with a 2.6 kernel02:57
SeeleyUSMCI have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg card internal to my Sony VAIO laptop, running Ubuntu Linux (Hoarty Preview) on the 2.6.10-4 kernel with ndsiwrapper ver. 0.12+1.0rc2-1 and I can't get a connection to the Internet.  What do I need to do?02:57
mdkeusername, but howcome the new persona here?02:57
LinuxJonesusername, your in the right place then :)02:57
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andrewskiwhere do i set the configuration for hdparm?02:57
aquariuscrimsun: yep. So does /etc/init.d/modutils requiring /proc/ksyms, which isn't in 2.6 kernels, count as a bug?02:57
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, have you thrown holy water on it?02:57
LinuxJonesPoor SeeleyUSMC :(02:57
JDahlI thought Ubuntu didnt use a root account, but when I installed Hoary preview a root account was created...02:57
SeeleyUSMCmdke: I'm about to lol02:58
mdkeandrewski, /etc/hdparm.conf02:58
usernamemdke, because I'm not convinced that open source and linux is actually beneficial, while it simultaneously becomes more secular and caters for it's own creators rather than real people.02:58
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, no seriously02:58
andrewskimdke: aw, duh. :P02:58
crimsunaquarius: it requires /proc/ksyms? It doesn't do so on my Warty or Hoary boxes.02:58
LinuxJonesusername, how can you say that ?02:58
LinuxJonesusername, that's just Gentoo beating you down02:58
usernameLinuxJones, easy - I open up my ibook and type it. See.02:58
mdkegentoo caters for a certain userbase02:59
mdkei don't think its that hard to make work anyway02:59
mdkei'm a pretty rubbish linux user02:59
usernamegentoo caters for people obsessed with speed stripes - it exists for all the wrong reasons.02:59
aquariuscrimsun: line 9 in my /etc/init.d/modutils: [ -f /proc/ksyms ]  || exit 002:59
LinuxJonesusername, Gentoo is not a desktop Operating System !!02:59
mdkeusername, no way02:59
Marble2I get this error when I go to system -> prefs -> screen res: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to display size are not avalible" How do I fix this, I want to change my screen res :(02:59
mdkeusername, its about control, not minor speed increases02:59
usernamebut linux itself is blatantly showing itself to be incapable of learning the big lessons.03:00
crimsunaquarius: no, it's not a bug, why?03:00
mdkeusername, well that's as maybe03:00
crimsunaquarius: what if you had to boot a 2.4 kernel on that box?03:00
mdkebut you are making unrelated statements03:00
mdkebut then it is 2 am03:00
usernamealso true03:00
aquariuscrimsun: ok, but that means that modules listed in /etc/modules don't get loaded if you boot a 2.6 kernel.03:00
usernameNews24 again!03:00
crimsunMarble2: use ctrl+alt+- or ctrl+alt++03:01
crimsunaquarius: they do get loaded.03:01
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SeeleyUSMCHey, if I have the same chipset as another vendor, does it matter or not?03:01
mdkeaquarius, ?? sure they do03:01
crimsunthe machine I'm sshed into is testament to that, heh03:01
Marble2crimsun: when?03:01
aquariuscrimsun: what loads them? I'm puzzled.03:01
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, no, you need the driver for the chipset03:01
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, some are tricky tho ;(03:01
GammaRayusername: why should free software be the whipping boy to people don't see the same values in the same freedoms? why should freedom cater to anyone but those who see the value in it?03:01
crimsunMarble2: if you're trying to change resolutions, use ctrl+alt++ or ctrl+alt+-03:02
LinuxJonesusername, I think you have to re-install Windows to get regain your appreciation of Linux03:02
Marble2it doesn't work03:02
aquariuscrimsun: I have apm in /etc/modules, and it's not loaded when the machine boots. "modprobe apm" works fine when I do it myself, though.03:02
crimsunMarble2: which graphics driver?03:02
usernameLinuxJones, I've never used windows03:02
Marble2uh... X03:02
LinuxJonesusername, install it then :)03:02
SeeleyUSMCmdke: but the chipset is the same, only different vendor03:02
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, yeah03:02
usernameLinuxJones, no, I don't think it'd get on well with this iBook03:02
crimsunMarble2: X Window System requires a graphics device driver, which does your machine use?03:03
mdkesomeone with an atheros help SeeleyUSMC !!!03:03
Marble2i have no clue03:03
Marble2how do I check03:03
crimsunMarble2: are you using Warty or Hoary?03:03
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, ok i'll try then03:03
Marble2I just used the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto guide to get my audo and video syncing and I had to mess with xorg.conf and now it doesnt work03:03
jintxoodie5533, come to think of it it0s kinda cool to have xfce on one X server and gnome on the other03:03
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, what do these commands tell you:03:03
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, "ifconfig"03:03
crimsunMarble2: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |tail -103:04
SeeleyUSMCmdke: eth0 and lo03:04
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usernameanyway - got to go to sleep. More trolling another time, eh?03:04
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, i take it eth0 isn't your wifi card?03:04
Marble2    Driver          "fglrx"03:04
crimsunMarble2: so you're using the binary-only ATI driver03:05
Marble2I guess03:05
crimsunMarble2: what resolution currently?03:05
Marble21024x1080 or something03:05
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Marble2default ubuntu res03:05
SeeleyUSMCmdke: no.  There is a standard NIC in the laptop as well03:05
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, ok03:05
Marble2I like it, but I can't run a high refresh rate at this res03:05
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, ok i can't help you then, you need someone familiar with the atheros driver03:06
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: just to check, is the wireless adapter enabled in bios?03:06
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SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: how do you check that?03:06
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: check in bios to see if it's enabled03:06
crimsun(when you boot)03:06
mdkei'm out too03:06
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mdkegd night03:06
pinPointshould i plug it while booting03:06
SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: I'll check in a sec03:06
asdqweHi guys... Im having a bit of a problem with something.. Im trying get my wireless config going, although when i list iwconfig and ifconfig, I have eth1 listed for both the ethernet card and wireless card... is this unusual?03:07
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crimsunaquarius: look in /etc/init.d/module-init-tools03:08
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fisch_hello i have a problem... after actualisation of hoary the mousepointer doesnt move03:09
Marble2crimsun: any ideas?03:09
fisch_(sorry for my bad english...)03:09
crimsunMarble2: please post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.ca03:09
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aquariuscrimsun: no such file. hm. apt-get --reinstall install module-init-tools hasn't recreated it, either. How can I get it back? It's in dpg --listfiles module-init-tools.03:10
Marble2crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/777503:11
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crimsunaquarius: unpack the deb using dpkg-deb, then copy it over manually03:11
Diablo-D3hey people03:11
fisch_can someone help me?03:11
Diablo-D3Im trying to install ubuntu on a machine that only has ... get this... 32 megs of memory03:11
Diablo-D3and its a laptop03:12
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pinPointhey have a DWL G650 Hotplugged and booted. how do I start it up?03:13
asdqweDiablo-D3: Wouldnt DamnSmallLinux be a better idea for a machine spec like that?03:13
johnnybezakDiablo-D3: are you masochistic :P03:13
pinPointa wireless nic03:13
Diablo-D3asdqwe: isnt DSL only a livecd distro?03:13
asdqwecan anyone point me to a good tutoria/howto on ubuntu wireless config??03:14
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asdqweDiablo: Nah, DSL can be installed onto your hdd.. go check out their site, its got a howto on it http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/03:14
aquariuscrimsun: that should be OK. Cheers for the help.03:14
madstophello.  #kubuntu has been taken over by esperanto speakers.  So here I am.03:14
crimsunaquarius: np03:14
pinPointasdqwe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945403:14
Diablo-D3asdqwe: Im installing this for a newbie03:15
Marble2crimsun: see anything wrong with it?03:15
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pinPointhow do i bring up my new card thats hotplugged03:15
pinPointwireless nic?03:15
Diablo-D3asdqwe: once I get it installed, I should be fine03:15
gratuitwhere is esperanto actually spoken?03:15
Diablo-D3garrut: nowhere03:15
Diablo-D3garrut: its a manufactured language03:16
asdqwethanks pinpoint, although, i dont think I need to use the NDis wrapper.. its detected my card (prism I), im having probs getting the iwconfig stuff down03:16
crimsunMarble2: you have some agp warnings03:16
crimsunMarble2: please post the output of lsmod03:16
danielsDiablo-D3: i believe small-memory installs are currently broken.03:16
madstopgratuit, , it's what folks used to learn before Klingon was invented.03:16
pinPointi have a card thats supposed to be detected...03:16
pinPointjust dont know how to start it up now since i just got it03:17
Marble2crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/777603:17
Diablo-D3daniels =/03:17
Diablo-D3and yes, it does say entering low memory mode03:17
crimsunDiablo-D3: you could do the manual method that I used with the Warty preview: as soon as the partitioning udebs have been unpacked, switch to a busybox shell on alt+F2 and create a swap partition, then mount it03:17
asdqweppoint: I have an ethernet nic and 802.11b card... and it seems that both are listed under eth1 in iw/ifconfig... is that a problem???03:17
Diablo-D3crimsun: it doesnt even get that far03:17
Diablo-D3I think loading pcmcia stuff screws the pooch03:18
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Diablo-D3wait wait03:18
Diablo-D3it seems to have booted this time03:18
DigitalStaticAnyone had any success with upgrading from Warty to Hoary using apt-get?03:18
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WWHello, world.03:18
crimsunDigitalStatic: yes, I try it every couple days03:18
Diablo-D3I wish this thing had a network card though03:18
WWAny subversion gurus out there?03:19
Diablo-D3okay, this thing freaks out on lvmcfg-utils03:19
Diablo-D3it keeps telling me its entering low memory mode03:19
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DigitalStaticcrimsun: Thanks for the info, Hoary stable enough for day to day use?03:20
Diablo-D3and then tries to unpack/load/whatever that package03:20
crimsunDigitalStatic: yes03:20
Diablo-D3and tells me its entering low memory mode.... and tries to... and tells me... </infiniteloop>03:20
DigitalStaticcrimsun:  XFree to Xorg part of the upgrade cause any issues?  I am worried about that with my ATI card03:20
Diablo-D3DigitalStatic: it should improve performance03:20
crimsunDiablo-D3: I'm fairly certain by that point the partitioning udeb(s) have been unpacked, but I haven't tried it since the Warty preview03:21
Diablo-D3crimsun: hrm03:21
Diablo-D3crimsun: does ubuntu have a partition editor?03:21
danielsDigitalStatic: it's fine03:21
maxcheeogra: can you have a look at this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=786003:21
Diablo-D3crimsun: because I need to repartition the drive03:21
danielsDigitalStatic: i've been using xorg daily on numerous ati cards for months now03:21
Diablo-D3I use xorg on my ati card as well03:21
Marble2crimsun: anything?03:22
Diablo-D3ubuntu's xorg, infact03:22
Diablo-D3(which runs great on debian sid)03:22
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crimsunMarble2: read what I said regarding the agp warnings03:22
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DigitalStaticShould I uninstall the ATI drivers before I apt-get dist-upgrade?   would I be better off burning the Hoary CD and just installing from scratch?03:22
crimsunDigitalStatic: they'll upgrade just fine03:22
Diablo-D3DigitalStatic: r200 or r300?03:22
WWI would like to set up a subversion repository on a computer running debain sarge, with version 1.1 of svn.  The version of svn on warty is 1.0.6.  Are they compatible?03:23
DigitalStaticDiablo-D3 r300 i think, Radeon 9800 Pro03:23
andrilhello all again03:23
WWs/debain/debian/  (but you knew that)03:23
Marble2crimsun: I know I have some... I pasted the link to the output of lsmod03:23
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andrilDoes anyone know how to share a folder over the network?03:23
Diablo-D3DigitalStatic: I dont know if the ati binary drivers work with xorg03:23
maxcheeAre there any MOTU who is willing to look at this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=786003:24
Diablo-D3Im lucky enough not to need them03:24
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Diablo-D3crimsun: no partitioning tools are installed03:24
crimsunmaxchee: couple secs.03:24
andrilBasically I want to make a folder in Ubuntu visable via my network03:24
DigitalStaticThanks for the feedback folks03:25
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crimsunMarble2: what's using nvidia_agp?03:26
pinPointmy nic is Atheros based03:26
pinPointfrom D-link03:26
Marble2I dunno.. nothing. I don't have a nividia graphics card...03:26
pinPointanyone please tell me the necessary steps to starti it up03:27
gratuitpinPoint: there are instructions on the ndiswrapper website I think03:27
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crimsunMarble2: nforce-based motherboard, perhaps?03:28
pinPointi still have to use ndiswrapper???03:28
Marble2yes in fact03:28
Marble2i moved nivia.ko out of /etc/X1103:28
Marble2would that mess up the resolution settings?03:28
gratuitpinPoint: there is a module out there I think, but I'm not sure how mature it is03:28
Marble2andril: samba03:28
Diablo-D3is kubuntu a seperate distro?03:28
andrilI installed samba03:29
gratuitpinPoint: someone has writen a native driver03:29
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gratuitpinPoint: but I don't know how far along it is, I use ndiswrapper, and it works quite well03:29
pinPointwith a dlink gratuit03:29
gratuityeah, I forget the exact model number, but it is atheros based03:30
crimsunDiablo-D3: yes03:30
crimsunDiablo-D3: it just uses the same base as Ubuntu03:30
pinPointthe card is listed in lsmod03:31
pinPointthere must be a way to get it up03:31
crimsunmaxchee: uname -m03:31
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pinPointwhere and how?03:31
mdzpinPoint: the madwifi drivers are installed by default, and work out of the box with my card03:32
mdzpinPoint: what model do you have?03:32
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mdzDiablo-D3: yes and no; kubuntu and ubuntu share many packages, developers, infrastructure, and a community03:33
pinPointi have hoary, does it run gnome by default03:33
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pinPointcause is see a nice wifi manager for kde03:33
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pinPointor does GNOME have a wireless lan manager?03:35
SeeleyUSMCDoes anyone use an Atheros wirless card?03:35
LinuxJonespinPoint, network-admin is about it03:36
pinPointSeeleyUSMC: i have it here03:36
pinPointtrying to get it up03:36
SeeleyUSMCpinPoint: if you get it working let me know03:36
SeeleyUSMCI've been at it for 12 hours today along03:36
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pinPointha, i played with my builtin DELL for 3 days03:37
pinPointfirst with mandarake03:37
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pinPointthen ubuntu, decided to keep ubuntu and get a new nic03:38
pinPointso here i am once again in battle03:38
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Marble2crimsun: still here?03:40
underlordim having problems with usb in hoary03:40
crimsunMarble2: yes, try blacklisting nvidia_agp: echo "nvidia-agp" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist03:40
crimsunMarble2: now reboot03:40
Marble2now what03:40
underlordi have a box with a mothervoard with onbuilt vt82 usb 1.1 chipsets, and i have a pci usb 2.0 card (nec chipsets), now when i use ubuntu with this configuration my system has suddenly stopped recognising anything plugged in to the vt82 chipsets, why could this be?03:41
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Marble2crimsun: still get the error :(03:43
crimsunMarble2: please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf onto pastebin03:43
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akkCool, if I select reiserfs for / during the hoary install, it tries to format that partition then bombs out with "Filesystem has incompatible feature enabled"03:46
medwards_Anyone using hoary on a G4 PowerBook?03:46
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crimsunMarble2: that's your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?03:47
crimsunMarble2: can you switch modes with the "radeon" driver instead of "fglrx"?03:48
Marble2uh, how?03:48
Marble2i'm confused03:49
crimsunMarble2: change fglrx to radeon and restart gdm03:49
pinPointdont this wireless nics like keys and ssid hidden?03:49
marcin_anthi all03:50
Marble2still get the error03:50
marcin_antcould someone tell me what software I need (for backend) to use evolution-webcal?03:50
crimsunMarble2: please paste the log file03:50
crimsun(onto pastebin)03:51
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Marble2what log file?03:51
marcin_antI really don't understand how it works and there is no help for webcal integration03:51
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crimsunMarble2: you're still using fglrx, not radeon03:52
Marble2how do I restart gdm? I did /etc/init,d/gdm restart03:52
crimsunMarble2: first of all, did you edit the correct file? (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)03:52
crimsunMarble2: second of all, did you change the correct Driver setting?03:52
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Marble2you mean like the origional?03:53
crimsunMarble2: (yes, it's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)03:53
FlyNavyHello all03:53
Marble2yes, from ATI to fglrx03:53
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Marble2to see if I could stop my video and audio being out of synch03:53
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XiraHi huys, I've tried installing Ubuntu, but it didn't work with my LCD. (Dell 1704FP which it detects) - I tried manually editing the X conf, but everything was set right (res, hsync etc) but whenever I would boot into X/Gnome the monitor would turn off03:56
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Marble2crimsun: that fixed it03:56
Marble2thanks a ton :)03:57
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pinPointmy nic works!!!!03:57
paulproteusXira: Remove modelines.03:57
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paulproteusRemove hsync, vsync.03:57
paulproteusScrub your config clean of everything it's configured about the monitor, and then let X detect the info at runtime.03:58
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Xirapaulproteus, what's that?03:58
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XiraOkay, I guess I can try that.03:59
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paulproteusFeel free to comment it out rather than deleting it. :)03:59
Beirdoanyone here able to tell me why an install of mysql-server needs exim to be installed? :)04:00
holycowdoes anyone what a safe mode on debian/ubuntu might be?04:01
pinPointcrimsun: why wont my card work with a router set on ssid broadcast off04:01
foreachholycow, isn't it the failsafe* ?04:01
holycowforeach, what do you us it for?04:01
holycowi've never heard of that before04:01
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XiraThe thing is paulproteus , I now have Fedora Core 3 installed and everything working nicely, so I don't know if I should risk it all and try Ubuntu. :-\04:01
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foreachI don't know about debian (it's been a while), but I know on my copy of ubuntu, i have a failsafe gnome and a failsafe terminal04:02
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holycowforeach, they are identical, just fyi04:02
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holycowlol :) sorry gotta bug ya04:02
Marble2grrr... the audio and video are still out of sync :(04:02
smoBeirdo: It'd appear to depend on mailx, which requires mail-transport-agent .. of which exim is the default.  What it wants mailx for, I couldn't tell you04:02
holycowfailsafe terminal?04:02
Mguel721can anyone help me ... I am trying to mount a zip drive?04:02
foreachholycow, hey, we're all here to learn (even the 'veterans', they just won't admit it)04:02
holycowlol wtf is that? whats itused for?04:02
maxcheedoes hoary have boot splash enabled?04:02
Beirdosmo: ahh, I missed the mailx in the list :)04:02
holycowforeach, hehehe :)04:02
foreachholycow, seems to be to boot into gnome w/o running startup scripts04:03
smoor rather, mailx requires "exim4 | mail-transport-agent", so if nothing's providing mta, it'll ask for exim404:03
holycowoh, i presume similar for failsafe terminal too?04:03
Beirdosounds like someone has extra dependencies that seem to be senseless at first glance04:03
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foreachholycow, indeed04:03
BeirdoI can understand mailx needing a mail server :)04:03
holycowforeach, what are they used for?04:04
bet0xHi all04:04
bet0xsuccessfull upgrade to kubuntu :D04:04
bet0xFrom warty04:04
crimsunbet0x: excellent.04:04
bet0x41mins downloading packages04:04
Mguel721Can anyone tell me how to mount a zip drive?04:04
bet0xbut works like the hell04:04
bet0xani know here are the spanish language?04:04
BeirdoOK.  I guess I should decide on an MTA then04:04
calcgrr gnome still gets confused with ubuntu automounting behavior04:04
bet0xbut i see all in english04:05
calci can't make nautilus eject a disk04:05
calcer cdrom disk04:05
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crimsuncalc: it worked better with earlier versions of inotify, agreed04:05
calcmount doesn't show it mounted either04:05
calcbut the drive is locked04:06
Marble2crimsun: do you know why the audio is out of synch with the video on anything I play? That's what I was trying to fix that caused the resolution problem04:06
calcah nm i see the issue04:06
calcthe user doesn't have rights to eject from userspace or something like that04:06
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bet0xa question04:07
crimsunMarble2: possibly due to the sound daemon. Which application are you using to play videos?04:07
pinPointmy card works for one minute and it stops after i go static04:07
Marble2I tried totem-xine and vlc04:07
bet0xbut with a NON-ROOT user the firefox dont run04:07
Marble2using esd as sound04:07
Marble2the audio is a couple seconds late... I think it's the video card04:07
Marble2ATI Radeon 920004:07
bet0xi debug in console put "firefox" and make a while04:07
bet0xwith this text04:07
crimsunMarble2: have you tried mplayer with -ao alsa (you'll need to kill esd/polypaudio)04:07
bet0x*** loading the extensions datasource04:07
bet0x*** loading the extensions datasource04:07
bet0x*** loading the extensions datasource04:07
bet0x*** loading the extensions datasource04:07
calcah i see part of it, gnome mounts the volume on double click of the icon but then doesn't realize its mounted so you can't unmount it04:08
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NetGeekevening all04:09
pinPointnetwork admin hangs everytime I do DeActivate of wlan004:09
Mguel721Anyone know how to mount a zip drive???04:09
pinPointthis is fudging crazy04:09
pinPointfudge! there goes the laptop04:10
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pinPointlock up04:10
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pinPointits starting to look worse than windows04:11
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pinPointits really jacked up04:11
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ahijahcan someone help me with some driver problems?04:11
NetGeekfinally got xcompset working stable04:11
pinPointi just spent 60 bucks on this thing and it doesnt work fully04:11
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calccrimsun: guess what just happened? ;)04:12
ahijahhas anyone tried and got a linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter to work yet?04:12
calccrimsun: i tried to eject the disc a second time via the gnome ui and it completely hung the box04:13
NetGeekanyone using ipw2200 and hoary?04:13
calcNetGeek: i do sometimes with an intel 2915abg card04:14
NetGeekcalc: you having driver or firmware crashing problems04:14
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crimsuncalc: awesome04:14
calcthe driver in hoary just plain won't do anything at all for me04:14
calcit doesn't work for amd64 afaict04:14
calcthe one on the sf.net site works though04:14
=== pinPoint perhaps i reformat again it might work
pinPointfrom install without problems04:15
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NetGeekcalc: you use the firmware that comes with hoary04:15
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calcNetGeek: yes with the upgraded driver off ipw2200.sf.net04:15
^thehatsrule^ahijah... wlan?04:15
ahijahi cant compile it04:15
^thehatsrule^use generic?04:15
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ahijah<<< dumb04:16
NetGeekcalc: thanks04:16
^thehatsrule^ivenever used wireless04:16
ahijahi have wlan but i dont know what to do with it04:16
pinPointthere goes my card again04:16
pinPointits working04:16
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^thehatsrule^are you under a router or something?04:17
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ahijahi have a 2wire dsl router04:17
^thehatsrule^hm... dhcp enabled?04:17
ahijahit's not that.. the computer wont recognize the network adapter04:18
ahijahin need drivers04:18
^thehatsrule^oh... then i have no idea04:18
^thehatsrule^forums mebbe?04:18
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ahijahi looked around.. and all i found was wlan that said it would do it... but i'm guessing it's for RH9 or something cuz i cant install it04:19
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brad_how can i rename a bunch of file with find?  i have a bunch of files that need renaming.  example:  whatever.a.b needs to be renamed to whatever.a04:21
GammaRaybrad_: -exec04:22
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ahijahthe file i got was called linux_wlan_ng_0114_pre1.tar.gz04:22
GammaRayIE find / -exec rename a b "{}" \;04:22
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platypushow do i get kubuntu-desktop ?04:23
crimsunplatypus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:23
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brad_GammaRay, the extensions are what need to be renamed.  will that work with an expression like *.a.b?04:23
platypuscrimsun, but when i do apt-cache search kubuntu-desktop it turns out empty04:23
platypuscrimsun, issit i am missing some entry in my repos ?04:24
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GammaRaybrad_: see man rename... it replaces the first a it finds w/ b in each file04:24
brad_ok.  thanks :)04:25
GammaRaybrad_: there are better ways but they involve sed04:25
platypusroot@platypus:/home/platypus # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:25
platypusReading Package Lists... Done04:25
platypusBuilding Dependency Tree... Done04:25
platypusE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop04:25
regeyame is seething with boredom04:25
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pinPointdoes ifup wlan0 run DHCP? cause my card is static04:25
pinPointset to static ^^^04:25
regeyathe things that happen when you leave a '/' out04:25
crimsunplatypus: are you running Warty?04:25
ax75where can i find a list of the packages included in ubuntu 5.04?04:26
platypuscrimsun, i installed from the free disck04:26
platypuscrimsun, is that warty ?04:26
crimsunplatypus: sudo sed 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list04:27
crimsunax75: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/04:27
pinPointsomeone please tell me i didnt buy this card for nothing04:28
ahijahso i'm guessing that my quarry is a lost cause?04:28
odie5533Anyone know how to run gnome and kde?04:28
pinPointseems im going throught the same #(&$# as the other cards04:28
eyequeueshould there be a /etc/ubuntu_version file?04:28
geneo93 crimsun i think you worked at a linux heel desk before04:28
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GammaRayodie5533: the login screen should have a choice if you hit the sessions button04:29
IcedKiwihey ppls04:29
SeeleyUSMCDoes anyone know anything about USB Flash cards?04:29
SeeleyUSMCI need to format one so I don't end up burning CDs all the time04:29
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GammaRaySeeleyUSMC: they usually come w/ fat32 in them04:29
IcedKiwithey are good04:29
^thehatsrule^compact flash?04:30
odie5533GammaRay, I want to login to both04:30
odie5533with the ctrl alt FX keys04:30
IcedKiwiwe use them at school all the time, if im thinking of the same thing as you04:30
SeeleyUSMCGammaRay: It lost its format somehow04:30
GammaRayodie5533: try running gdmflexiserver04:30
platypuscrimsun, any pain in the update process ?04:30
SeeleyUSMCGammaRay: DOS says its raw04:30
SeeleyUSMCI tried to re-format as FAT in windows so I could transfer between windows and linux04:31
GammaRaySeeleyUSMC: try mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 but make sure that's thee right device04:31
SeeleyUSMCGammaRay: one more problem, how do I find out where my USB card is at?04:31
SeeleyUSMCI have 3 USB ports on my laptop and don't knw where to look04:31
^thehatsrule^lol guess04:31
=== pinPoint reformatting: hoping install will pickup card
^thehatsrule^choose the middle - its scd2 !04:32
^thehatsrule^or w/e it is in ubuntu...04:32
^thehatsrule^#2 is middle usually04:32
ahijahquestion.... i have my adapter pluged into my pci usb hub.... would that be a problem in finding it?04:33
IcedKiwiit doesnt matter what port, as long as it works04:33
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IcedKiwiunless your using particular specifications04:33
crimsunplatypus: you need to then, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade04:34
crimsunplatypus: the dist-upgrade worked flawlessly for me04:34
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odie5533I am setting the sound driver for a program, it wants a /dev/something, what do I set it to?04:34
floresgis there a great difference between mandrake 10.2 and ubuntu hoary?04:34
^thehatsrule^/dev/dsp ?04:34
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Xenguyfloresg: rpm vs. deb...04:35
Xenguyfloresg: kde vs. gnome04:35
geneo93floresg:  yes hoary has kde 3.404:35
GammaRayXenguy: kde? how do you figure?04:35
odie5533It isnt liking it04:35
XenguyGammaRay: MDK was KDE by default IIRC; Ubu is GNOME by default04:36
GammaRaymandrake supports kde and gnome about the same in my opinion04:36
XenguyGammaRay: I don't use it, I just know that when MDK was originally released, it focused on KDE04:36
GammaRaymdk used to be "redhat w/ kde" but no longer04:36
geneo93mandrake give you more install options04:37
ax75actually KDE is supporteed much more in MDK04:37
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GammaRayax75: how so?04:37
IcedKiwik im back04:37
^thehatsrule^bleh, both have its uses04:37
ax75well in MDK, the GNOME is a lookalike of KDE but doesn't do what the KDE desktop does04:37
ax75they only make it look the same as KDE, but doesn't even work04:38
regeyadistributions should leave the desktops alone, really.04:38
IcedKiwiwhat is the difference between GNOME and KDE?04:38
regeyamdk butchers gnome, redhat butchers kde.  it shouldn't be necessary.04:38
JDigitalGNOME is better04:38
GammaRayhuh? I never thought they were trying to make it look like kde.. and the unified theme they use looks like neigther04:38
regeyait's a matter of opinion.  personally, when I use GNOME, I think it looks nice but it feels a bit like MacOS 8.04:39
odie5533is there any other /dev/ for audio besides dsp?04:39
IcedKiwiive only got GNOME so i cant really comment04:39
IcedKiwithere are worse things on this planet than a MacOS04:39
regeyawhen some people use KDE, they feel overwhelmed by (admittedly) bad design and (admittedly) way too many features just right there in your face.04:40
GammaRayregeya: I just don't agree that mdk butchers gnome04:40
jduboh dudes04:40
IcedKiwipersonally, i want to try MacOSX04:40
jdublet's not do the gnome v. kde thing here04:40
regeyapersonally I prefer KDE, but not everyone does; oh, whatever, just let me use my KDE desktop in peace. :-)04:40
IcedKiwiim gonna go get a cup of tea...04:40
gratuitgive me twm or give me death!04:40
regeyaIcedKiwi: there are things that GNOME gets right that Apple doesn't.  It's nice, but most people see the eye candy and think it'll be just balls.04:40
ax75hehe twm04:41
GammaRayI think we can all agree on that!04:41
Xenguygratuit: hah04:41
ahijahok i found the adapter in the device manager... not haw do i install a driver for it? device manager doesnt have any comands for that04:41
mdzahijah: what is the make/model of the device?04:42
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GammaRayI liek certain things about kde but I always am pissed when I run into a wall trying to make it work like xfce or gnome04:42
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ahijahlinksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter04:42
floresgso, if i use mandrake w/ kde and kubuntu, there will essentially be little to no difference04:43
maxcheedoes anyone know how to get nautilus and gnome desktop to auto refresh?04:43
maxcheegnome has the same annoying bug as win2k04:43
IcedKiwiim back04:43
GammaRayfloresg: it's mainly focus04:43
IcedKiwimy electric jug overflowed, so now im gonna have to get a new one...04:43
geneo93floresg:  i told you the diff mandrake is locked at kde 3.3.2 and hoary is kde 3.404:44
GammaRayfloresg: mandrake seems to focus on all desktops and as much software as possible.. while ubuntu focuses on gtk and gnome04:44
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GammaRayatleast that's my opinion04:44
UdeS-ppcHi all!  What do I need to type to reconfigure my xfree86?04:44
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IcedKiwihow do u get that yellow thing behind your text?04:45
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GammaRaydpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I think04:45
maxcheeGammaRay: KDE is supposed to be windows like and while I don't agree with its ways of making everything under the sun configuration, it actually works well (unlike gnome, which always leaves quite a bit to be desired)04:45
geneo93mandrake pretty much sucks anymore04:45
UdeS-ppcGammaRay, thanks I'll try that:)04:45
ax75i'm gonna move from fedora to ubuntu...04:45
ax75had enough of fedora04:45
IcedKiwiwhy would you want to make something look like windows is what im thinking...04:45
jdubdudes, the gnome v. kde discussion is best had elsewhere thanks04:46
JDigitalgnome is awesome04:46
IcedKiwieach to her/his own...04:46
JDigitallots of people whose names are like jd*04:46
maxcheegnome v. kde is lame. I am just hoping that they would share the same drawing library, audio sink etc., so that we have less libraries and dependancies to maintain04:47
UdeS-ppcGammaRay: it tells me package 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available04:47
GammaRaymaxchee: I perfer smooth operation and configuration to "a mess" and I'm not that convinced that gnome really is that unconfigurable04:47
ax75if kde and gnome unified to become one, then it'll be the ultimate desktop solution04:47
crimsunUdeS-ppc: Hoary?04:47
IcedKiwimy ex's initials were DJ04:47
floresgif i were to use ubuntu (w/ gnome), could i install kde type programs, like kdevelop, and kwrite, and still use gnome?04:47
crimsunUdeS-ppc: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:47
maxcheeGammaRay: they problem is not with configuration. Gnome doesn't even have proper menu editing and Dnd04:47
UdeS-ppcI killed the X11 session since I had bad graphics04:47
jdubmaxchee: elsewhere please04:48
GammaRayUdeS-ppc: well the name may be wrong.. try dpkg -l | grep -i xfree04:48
IcedKiwiis there anything out there thats different? something we havent seen before, and there isnt any equivelent of?04:48
GammaRaymaxchee: that's certainly something to complain about04:48
GammaRaymaxchee: but I'm glad they atleast are taking their time and doing it right04:49
UdeS-ppccrimsun, that is correct, thank you for the info!04:49
geneo93IcedKiwi:  yeah BeOS04:49
PacoBCNNautilus upgrade...04:50
geneo93goto bebit.com for sample04:50
PacoBCNI'd like to know what's new/fixed04:50
geneo93bebits.com sorry04:50
GammaRayIcedKiwi: I know.. tiffani amber thiessen04:50
IcedKiwiGammaRay- who?04:51
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ubuntunone here eh ??04:51
akkWhat kernel does hoary use?  The installer kinda munched my /boot, and I'm trying to reconstruct menu.lst.04:51
GammaRayIcedKiwi: her --> http://www.angelfire.com/va2/Octavian/Tiffani_Amber_Thiessen.jpg04:51
ubuntuill be damned this werks!!!!04:52
mlambieHas anyone used ubuntu with SunRay thin clients?04:52
IcedKiwiwho is she?04:52
PacoBCNugly girl04:52
mlambieIcedKiwi: she used to be on Baywatch04:52
PacoBCNher face is wider than Arnold04:52
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IcedKiwiim too young to remember that04:53
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IcedKiwianyway, its not like i'd go out of my way to look at other females...04:53
ubuntulive cd ,,,,just burned it,,,,downloaded iso last night04:53
PacoBCNI see nicer girls by the street everyday04:53
ahijahi have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..04:53
IcedKiwiideas for clothes, maybe, but im straight04:54
GammaRayPacoBCN: like the hookers eh?04:54
PacoBCNGammaRay, nop, just like Barcelona ;)04:54
akkubuntu: could you do me a favor, tell me what kernel uname -a says it has?04:54
odie5533Does anyone here know how to run KDE and Gnome on Ubuntu with the CTRL ALT F1 Keys?04:54
mlambiemlambie@stormshadow:~$ uname -r04:54
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PacoBCNwhere even an ugly guy like me can have a model as gfriend04:54
akkThanks, mlambie04:54
mlambiethat's hoary btw04:55
ubuntulemmie see if i can find the damn shell04:55
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akkHmm, I guess it must not have written its kernel to /boot.  The newest I have there is 2.6.10-4-38604:55
maxcheewill ubuntu ever include reiserfs4?04:56
ubuntu2.6.10 kernel !!!04:56
mrevelleI'm having trouble installing the package python-serial on a fresh install of the hoary preview.  I'm new to synaptic/apt-get but I added the Ubuntu repositories and the package, python-serial, still isn't showing up in a search.  I know that's the name of the package because of a google search04:56
ahijahi have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..04:56
GammaRayIcedKiwi: well maybe they will jog your memory http://www.boreme.com/bm/MAY03/a/t_dh/info_pic1.jpg04:56
PacoBCNbtw, I see many applets that aren't really useful added in the default installation while some other, really great like net speed are not included04:56
IcedKiwihas anyone got a spare (real) modem they'd like to get rid of? or any other hardware for that matter04:57
ubunturun as root and run updatedb04:57
crimsunmrevelle: apt-cache policy python-serial04:57
akkThe hoary installer gets really unhappy trying to deal with a /boot partition that's been previously written to by FC3.04:57
IcedKiwiwhat year did baywatch finish?04:57
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GammaRayIcedKiwi: it certainly burned my eye out04:57
crimsunmlambie: yeah, just doesn't have universe refreshed.04:57
NeoChaosXhey, does anyone who uses VLC have video corruption with some WMVs?04:57
maxcheeNeoChaosX: are your files corrupt?04:58
NeoChaosXnope, the file plays fine in other players04:58
GammaRayIcedKiwi: 2001 it seems04:58
maxcheeNeoChaosX: mplayer?04:58
GammaRayIcedKiwi: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-115/04:58
NeoChaosXyeah, it plays fine in mplayer04:58
NeoChaosXit'll play in totem-xine but iwth some serious audio sync problems04:58
mrevellecrimsun, thanks.. says installed: none and candidate: none04:58
crimsunmrevelle: please uncomment/add the universe repository, then refresh04:59
NeoChaosXVLC is the only player I've found that doesn't have audio sync troubles with all my files04:59
NeoChaosXi dunno where in VLC to go to fix the corruption04:59
IcedKiwii wasnt even conceived when it started on air05:00
maxcheeNeoChaosX: their bugzilla05:00
maxcheeNeoChaosX: and submit the file05:00
NeoChaosXI see, I'll try that05:00
IcedKiwiand i was only 10 years only when it finished05:00
mrevellecrimsun, thanks05:00
crimsunmrevelle: np05:00
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sabmocevening ubunters05:01
SeeleyUSMCErm, how do I see if my computer is detecting the USB drive?05:01
maxcheeNeoChaosX: http://bugzilla.videolan.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi05:01
ahijahi have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..05:01
crimsunsabmoc: pong05:02
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GammaRayIcedKiwi: you sure make me feel old.. which is pretty strange for 21...05:02
IcedKiwiwhat os are you using Seeley05:02
SeeleyUSMCahijah: I'm having trouble with USB and also my wireless NIC too I hear you brother05:02
IcedKiwiwell i am 13, GammaRay, i tend to have that effect on people05:02
SeeleyUSMCIcedKiwi: I have ubuntu hoary and windows xp05:02
sabmoccrimsun, ping ? sup05:02
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IcedKiwiwhat are you using when you are trying to use the usb device?05:03
crimsunsabmoc: nada.  You pinged earlier?05:03
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ahijahi'm 17!!!05:03
SeeleyUSMCIcedKiwi: Nothing.  I don't know what do do to access it05:03
SeeleyUSMCIcedKiwi: its in raw format and windows won't let me format it05:03
SeeleyUSMCfigured i might be able to in linux05:03
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sabmoccrimsun, did I? hmm.. dont remember why05:03
SeeleyUSMCbrb, I NEED something to eat05:03
IcedKiwican u put a html doc on it?05:03
sabmoccrimsun, has girl been back today?05:04
crimsunsabmoc: "girl"?05:04
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ZeppI just installed kubuntu and i keep getting sound error saying can't find /dev/dsp so no sound.05:04
IcedKiwiis anyone here into programming?05:05
ZeppAnyone else had similar issues?05:05
crimsunZepp: cat /proc/asound/modules05:05
ZeppIcedKiwi, I enjoy it, but I am only learning05:05
WWIcedKiwi: A bit...05:05
GammaRayIcedKiwi: I got my arm stuck in it a few times05:05
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maxcheeIcedKiwi: yes, and unfortuantely, my fav. lang. is java05:05
sabmoccrimsun, they was spamming the irc channel yesterday with profanity, uses several different names, but its always the same address girl@
GammaRaymaxchee: buhahahaha!05:05
crimsunsabmoc: oh, no idea.  Sorry.05:05
IcedKiwii want to learn, but i dont know what langague to start in05:05
maxcheeGammaRay: Freaky...05:06
sabmoccrimsun, np, no news is good news05:06
crimsunIcedKiwi: I'd say that depends on what types of problems you'd like to resolve.05:06
GammaRayC and bash here...05:06
WWIcedKiwi: python is nice.05:06
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sabmocAny Canadians here today?05:06
maxcheesabmoc: me05:06
Zeppcrimsun, there is no asound in /proc05:06
IcedKiwii downloaded the python thing off the website, but it doesnt support my processor05:06
sabmocwhere abouts maxchee ?05:06
GammaRayCanadians? where? get 'em!05:06
crimsunZepp: what sound card?05:07
sabmocGammaRay, bring it! haha05:07
WWIcedKiwi: "the python thing"?05:07
IcedKiwicrimsun: i just want to learn the theory, and get my brain working...05:07
Zeppcrimsun, some old like sound blaster awe 64 i think :/05:07
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crimsunIcedKiwi: Try Python or Java05:07
ZeppIcedKiwi, ya i heard python is nice and easy to learn. java i haven't found bad either, but some people dont like it05:07
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IcedKiwiWW: the installer thing for the compiler, i think05:08
akkPython is nice, definitely.05:08
sabmocmaxchee, Im tring to round up interest in a canadian portal for ubuntu, focus on promoting ubuntu in the community. Any interest at all in that for you?05:08
crimsunZepp: please ensure it is an awe64.  Please paste the output from lspnp onto http://pastebin.ca05:08
maxcheesabmoc: Great!05:08
GammaRayIcedKiwi: well you are probably already running the most used language for every day tasks.. the bash shell.05:08
WWIcedKiwi: One nice thing about python is you can run python, and experiment with commands.05:08
Zeppcrimsun, ok ill double check hehe one sec05:08
sabmocmaxchee, mind if I ask what timezone your in?05:08
maxcheesabmoc: eastern05:08
IcedKiwii read on a few sites they say that java is a pain in the bum and should be learnt like 4th or 5th05:08
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maxcheeIcedKiwi: depends05:09
pinPointif Ubuntu's main focus is gtk and gnome then why is kde wireless lan manager not ported in gnome as well? isnt wireless and emerging technology ubuntu should be focusing on05:09
IcedKiwiwhen i was like 7 or 8 i experimented with BASIC, but at that age i wasnt very interested05:09
maxcheeIcedKiwi: Java will prove to be a good challenge when you are trying to optimize swing apps05:09
sabmocmaxchee, ok, im pacific. Im going to put a page up on the wiki tonight if your still around I'll send you the link and if your still interested, uh.. I dunno! haha.05:09
GammaRaypinPoint: there are new wireless tools being shipped w/ gnome 2.1005:09
IcedKiwii cant do a thing with bash05:09
WWIcedKiwi: You are running ubuntu, right?  What "installer thing for the compiler" would you need for python?05:09
IcedKiwii cant use the internet on ubuntu05:10
IcedKiwior fc3, for that matter05:10
maxcheeIcedKiwi: Java is never very fast. What is sun doing?05:10
geneo93python twisted ans nevow is all you need05:10
maxcheeIcedKiwi: other than Java, try objective C05:10
Zeppcrimsun, what is pastebin.ca?05:10
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WWIcedKiwi: Ah, I see.  What are you running on?05:10
IcedKiwiobjective c?05:10
crimsunZepp: it's a web site.05:10
pinPointwhat about porting drivers for wireless nics that vendors release to the linux community05:10
IcedKiwixp home05:10
johnnybezakdo you guys have any idea why i cant have two programs using alsa simultaneously05:10
Zeppcrimsun, obviously. for? and lspnp isn't a command?05:10
maxcheeIcedKiwi: of couse, you would want to use a Mac or install GnuStep05:10
crimsunjohnnybezak: depends on your sound card.05:11
IcedKiwii wish i had a mac....05:11
johnnybezakcrimsun: its rediculous05:11
johnnybezakIcedWiki: i do ;)05:11
maxcheeIcedKiwi: Objective C is Mac OSX's native language05:11
crimsunjohnnybezak: your card is called "rediculous"?05:11
johnnybezakcrimsun: it might as well be :P05:11
maxcheeIcedKiwi: and apple uses the GCC for Objective C05:11
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IcedKiwiwhat is the difference between C, C++ and Objective C?05:11
GammaRaypinPoint: well bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file05:12
crimsunjohnnybezak: there was a strict design choice not to push stream multiplexing as a natively-enabled assumption05:12
GammaRayIcedKiwi: bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file05:12
maxcheeIcedKiwi: in the mean time (before you go out and buy a mac mini/ibook/imac/powermac/powerbook), you can use GnuStep libraries05:12
GammaRaypopey: wrong person...05:12
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johnnybezakcrimsun: how come?05:12
GammaRayoh gawd05:12
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crimsunjohnnybezak: not all hardware can support it05:12
IcedKiwignu step libraries?05:12
pinPointGammaRay: i was gonna say... what in the name05:12
crimsunjohnnybezak: for instance, yours.05:12
johnnybezakcrimsun: hm ok05:12
maxcheeIcedKiwi: Yes05:12
IcedKiwiyou guys are all confusing me05:12
crimsunjohnnybezak: so...which sound card?05:13
johnnybezakits like powermac tumbler or something05:13
maxcheeIcedKiwi: Objective C is basically C++ done right05:13
johnnybezakcrimsun: just the one that came with the mac05:13
crimsunjohnnybezak: then try the plug:dmix virtual device05:13
WWIcedKiwi: The more I think about it, the more sense python makes... try to get it to work!05:13
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crimsunjohnnybezak: kill esd/polypaudio first, of course05:13
johnnybezakcrimsun: try the what?05:13
WWIcedKiwi: And if anyone says you should learn Perl first, run away.05:13
SeeleyUSMCIcedKiwi: Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it05:14
maxcheeIcedKiwi: pythong is great for dynamic lang05:14
IcedKiwithey teach that at my very microsoft-loving school05:14
GammaRayIcedKiwi: or another example: for each_file in *.mp3; do rename "new order" "New Order" "$each_file"; done05:14
crimsunjohnnybezak: open xmms, choose the alsa output plugin, type "plug:dmix" in the device box05:14
IcedKiwia trained monkey could screw up the network05:14
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GammaRayIcedKiwi: it's very useful on a daily basis imho05:14
crimsunjohnnybezak: anyhow, why are you messing with this? doesn't esd/polypaudio work on your powermac?05:14
maxcheeIcedKiwi: VB is probably the eaisest for typed language05:15
maxcheeIcedKiwi: although VB.net is not much easier than java05:15
johnnybezakcrimsun: yeah it does my sound works fine, just if i have gaim playing sounds and rhythmbox one takes the sound card over and no other program can use it05:15
SeeleyUSMCAny idea why the music player won't play my MP3's on my windows partitions?05:15
Zeppcrimsun, when i do a lspci | grep -i audio. nothing even comes up05:15
crimsunZepp: not lspci, ls_pnp_05:15
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maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: gstreamer-mad installed?05:16
Zeppcrimsun, ok I will try it. thought would show up with lspci05:16
Zeppcrimsun, hang on05:16
crimsunZepp: not if it's an awe64, which is isa.05:16
IcedKiwiyour all making me more confused...05:16
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: this is all default stuff.  i can't even access the net wit it yet05:16
DonLme too IcedKiwi05:16
johnnybezakIcedKiwi: its a linux irc channel what do you expect :)05:16
Zeppcrimsun, ya i just opened side panel and was like ahh what the hell this thing looks to be isa. not even pci. bah05:16
Zeppstupid old hardware05:17
IcedKiwihow do u get that yellow thing?05:17
maxcheeIcedKiwi: VB, Java, C, C++, Python are probably the most common ones used05:17
SeeleyUSMCDevice Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it05:17
ahijahi have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..05:17
maxcheeSeeley: how come?05:17
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crimsunSeeleyUSMC: /dev/sda is the device.  The partition will be /dev/sda1 if you've formatted it.05:17
IcedKiwiis C++ just a better version of C or something?05:17
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: because my atheros isn't working out of the box as promised05:17
akkIt's a superset of C but it ends up being pretty different05:18
maxcheeIcedKiwi: A more complicated and OOP-enabled version of c05:18
GammaRayc++ has built in OOP... which is a plus or a minus based on your opinion05:18
johnnybezakc++ is object oriented c isnt it05:18
maxcheeIcedKiwi: Although not strictly a superset of c05:18
IcedKiwithe definition of object oriented please? anyone?05:18
crimsunC++ doesn't force you to use the OOP paradigm at all.05:18
SeeleyUSMChow do I format the USB drive?05:18
jnoonis it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install05:18
GammaRayIcedKiwi: it's very hard to define05:18
DonLI'd dearly love to know all this stuff.05:18
maxcheeIcedKiwi: you are not dealing with functions, you deal with objects05:18
Zeppcrimsun, lspnp or ls_pnp_ aren't commands :/05:19
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GammaRayIcedKiwi: a beginning programmer has no intrest in it for sure05:19
crimsunZepp: lspnp is the command.05:19
johnnybezakDonL: do a computer course then :)05:19
crimsunZepp: dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii05:19
IcedKiwilike things that like work seperate but can work together or something?05:19
maxcheeIcedKiwi: my java book claim that OOP is also good for beginners05:19
crimsunIcedKiwi: do you ever get hungry?05:19
DonLYeah, johnnybezak , I'd love to do that too, but there are things in the way of doing that.05:19
maxcheeIcedKiwi: at least polymorphism is cool05:19
IcedKiwii had lunch an hour ago05:19
Zeppcrimsun, lspnp wasn't there. ill try other thing05:19
GammaRaymaxchee: well they are full of crap (-;05:20
calca beginner should be learning x86 assembly not OOP ;)05:20
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akkmaxchee: C++ is a fairly complex language; I wouldn't want to start a beginning programmer on it.05:20
crimsunIcedKiwi: did you think of eating a meal, or did you think of walking to the store then buying a sandwich then opening the wrapper then ...?05:20
johnnybezakDonL: then just buy some books :)05:20
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IcedKiwii made some 2 minute noodles05:20
maxcheeakk: that's why beginner programmers use java05:20
SeeleyUSMChow do I format the USB drive? Anyone?05:20
maxcheeakk: everything is built in a lib05:21
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: what filesystem would you like to use?05:21
DonLjohnnybezak, the word buy is a problem right now05:21
maxcheeakk: and it's more academic than .Net05:21
crimsunIcedKiwi: but did you think of it as a meal and/or a snack?05:21
GammaRayoop is just a strange abstracted (and unproven) way of looking at programming05:21
SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: fat so i can switch between linux and windows05:21
Zeppcrimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found05:21
IcedKiwibut i have like snacks in between meals05:21
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akkmaxchee: Java's simpler and cleaner, for teaching programming, though something like python or js would be simpler still.05:21
johnnybezakDonL: well looks like the internet is all youve got left there is probably some wiki textbook05:21
IcedKiwimetabolism issues05:21
maxcheeakk: that's true05:21
DonLjohnnybezak, I'm investigating that right now05:22
crimsunIcedKiwi: see? you used OOP already.05:22
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maxcheeakk: typeless languages removes the problem of choosing the right type05:22
crimsunIcedKiwi: the object is the "meal"05:22
akkmaxchee: Yes, I wish there was something like a typed python.  That would be perfect.05:22
jnoonis it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install05:22
crimsunIcedKiwi: your "meal" is composed of "2 minute noodles"05:22
calcahijah: er yea i use a usb key/mou every day on ubuntu05:22
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maxcheeGammaRay: most people find that book to be very useful05:23
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nicedreamsanyone know if the ubuntu team knows about the performance and sound problems with preview 1 and is there a fix for now?05:23
IcedKiwiok.... and the connection between a high-sodium 'food' and a computer is what?05:23
maxcheeakk: that would improve performance. But python is never meant for a truly performance apps05:23
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crimsunnicedreams: "performance and sound problems with preview 1"?05:23
akkmaxchee: People who use it for big apps seem to say it's pretty fast.  But I've never worked on a big python app myself.05:23
crimsunahijah: you don't (usually) need to install drivers. What usb device?05:24
crimsunnicedreams: describe?05:24
akkmaxchee: I expect it's probably faster than java ...05:24
GammaRaymaxchee: well I'm sure they burn most of their brain cells just understanding OOP instead of learning how to program. two seperate things.05:24
WWahijah: I have a printer, a scanner, and an external hard drive connected with USB.  So at least there is *some* USB support. :)05:24
calcahijah: you don't they are already available if they are available period05:24
nicedreamsother people have said they are experiencing the same thing05:24
ahijahi have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..05:24
nicedreamsin gnome, it says can not play audio device05:24
nicedreamsi install fluxbox and sound plays fine05:24
maxcheeakk: I would never understand why python is faster than java. Sun puts too much craps in the JRE?05:24
crimsunahijah: you don't need to install any drivers.05:24
IcedKiwiis it advisable to get a cheap 2nd hand computer (like a pentium 3 or something) to practice on?05:24
nicedreamsanything i do in gnome just doesn't seem to work right...and the performance has dropped05:24
crimsunnicedreams: in gnome, did you enable the sound server?05:24
GammaRaynicedreams: odd maybe esd is getting in the way somehow05:24
nicedreamsi install the new nvidia drivers...played some games...rebooted and now it lags so bad05:24
Zeppcrimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found?05:25
nicedreamsi can hear the intro and exit sounds05:25
akkmaxchee: Yes, too much overhead in the JVM.05:25
nicedreamsbut once inside...sound does not work05:25
maxcheeakk: I believe both have memory management. So garbage collector is slow is not the proper argument05:25
ahijahthen why cant i use my device?05:25
crimsunnicedreams: log into gnome, please05:25
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nicedreamsi'm in it with my other machine05:25
crimsunahijah: is your network interface up and running?05:25
crimsunnicedreams: pgrep esd ; pgrep polypaudio05:25
WWIcedKiwi: Does the Ubuntu LiveCD work on your computer?  If so, you could use that to start experimenting with python.05:25
ahijahno.. ubuntu says the my device is unknown05:25
DonLnicedreams, did you edit your etc/X11 file?05:25
maxcheeakk: but hopefully, with VM caching, Java will eventually be faster than python05:26
Ely__ok.. first of all I have to say I installed ubuntu hoarty coming from debian and I must say I am IMPRESSED... this thing has probably given me the best default installation out of any distro I have ever used05:26
nicedreamsDonL: just the nvidia stuff i edited05:26
nicedreamsDonL: the opengl was running fast05:26
akkmaxchee: Maybe, if sun stops adding stuff to it every few months.05:26
IcedKiwioh, ive got the os- either fc3 or ubuntu05:26
nicedreamsDonL: and now it's sloooooow05:26
IcedKiwii just cant use the internet05:26
mrevelletrying to install g++...  selecting the package called g++ says it'll go with gcc 3.3, any reason I shouldn't choose the other package that mentions g++-3.4?05:26
crimsunEly__: that was the intention.05:26
DonLnicedreams, if you don't edit the file to use the new driver, I think when you reboot, it will go back to nv05:26
nicedreamscrimsun: i get 692705:26
IcedKiwiand the python 'thingy' wont work under windows05:26
Ely__mrevelle, try installing "build-essentials"05:27
maxcheeakk: wait for GCJ, it should be able to improve the situation05:27
crimsunmrevelle: instead, install build-essential05:27
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nicedreamsDonL: it's still nvidia05:27
mrevelleEly__, thanks05:27
nicedreamsDonL: the xorg.conf looks fine05:27
nicedreamsDonL: glx gears has slown waaaaaaaaaaay down05:27
maxcheeakk: compiled java programs should be able to run with efficiency close to that of C++05:27
crimsunmrevelle: then if you want g++ 3.4, install g++-3.405:27
DonLok. I had some problems before, and that's what I learned to do05:27
crimsunnicedreams: for which?05:27
WWIcedKiwi: OK, use python in ubuntu.  You don't need the internet while you are programming (although it can be nice when you want to google or get some help).05:27
mrevellecrimsun, great, thanks05:27
SeeleyUSMCfdisk /dev/sda will let me think I can change the format to FAT32 then says I can't write to /dev/sda05:28
maxcheeakk: and it just offers a really nice way to built write-once, compile-anywhere programs05:28
nicedreamscrimsun: i ran both and it returned that...i'll do it separate then05:28
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IcedKiwii like to save a bunch of html files to a disk and run it off there05:28
Ely__man.. I'm running xorg with xcompmgr and shadows.. it runs pretty nice .. but only works with the DRI ati drivers .. anyone got it to work with the official ATI drivers?05:28
Ely__this is on a laptop mobility 9600pro05:28
nicedreamscrimsun: I get 6927 for esd and polyaudio just goes to the next line05:28
akkAnyone know what this means?  Booting from the installer cd: isolinux: DIsk error 10, AX=4280, drive EF05:28
IcedKiwiso where do i type it into?05:28
crimsunnicedreams: ok. Are your sound applications configured to use esd?05:28
akkThis disc was working earlier today, but now it won't boot.05:28
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linux_galoreEly__: official ATi drivers have lots of render options missing05:29
nicedreamscrimsun: i don't know...this is just a default install of preview 105:29
nicedreamscrimsun: i get the same problem at a workstation at work i installed it fresh on05:29
Zeppcrimsun, no idea?05:29
maxcheeseeleyusmc: tried ndiswrapper?05:29
crimsunnicedreams: for instance, does Rhythmbox work?05:29
SeeleyUSMCWhy can't I format my USB flash drive???05:29
crimsunZepp: sec, busy with too many things05:29
linux_galoreEly__: one of the reasons I only use nvidia with Linux05:29
Ely__linux_galore, it's funny how ATI calls the themselves the leader in the gfx indsutry.. as much as I love their hardware *cry*05:29
Zeppcrimsun, ok, sorry I will wait. just drop me msg/query when you free05:29
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SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: I was told to use madwifi because its made for atheros and i read a bit and it has my exact chipset05:29
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crimsunZepp: you are using hoary, correct?05:29
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Zeppcrimsun, ya the kubuntu hoary preview05:30
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Ely__linux_galore, the nvidia options for my laptop were pathetic performers in 3d05:30
SeeleyUSMCbut i want to move the files with my usb so i don't have to reboot and burn and reboot all the time and waste cds05:30
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: and it didn't work?05:30
nicedreamscrimsun: nope...  and i installed xmms to try that and it doesn't work...  So I install fluxbox and everything works fine05:30
jnoonis it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?05:30
crimsunZepp: ok, and it's an awe64?05:30
nicedreamscrimsun: same with the pc at work with the fresh install of preview 105:30
crimsunnicedreams: which output is xmms using?05:30
Zeppcrimsun, ya i am pretty sure05:30
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: I don't have it on there yet.05:30
optiksafternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed for some reason?05:30
perheIm trying to fix my wlan and when attempting to compile some stuff from ipw2200.sf.net I get "/lib/modules/ No such file or directory.  Stop." .. what can I do to fix this ?05:30
nicedreamscrimsun: was on oss and didn't work and put it on alsa and it doesn't work05:31
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: i need tomove the files from this laptop (buddies) to mine via my USB flash card but its raw and windows won't format it and i can't firgure out how in linux05:31
crimsunZepp: do this: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe isapnp=005:31
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crimsunnicedreams: now switch it to esd05:31
Zeppcrimsun, ok. one moment05:31
nicedreamscrimsun: usually i don't have an issue with ubuntu, but ever since I put preview 1 on from scratch...it's been screwy05:31
Ely__perhe, read the installation docs.. that means you need a sym link called build to your kernel source05:31
IcedKiwiwith my flash key, you didnt have to format it05:31
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IcedKiwiyou just stuck the files straight on05:31
SeeleyUSMCIcedKiwi: its lost its format somehow  and i need to reformat it05:32
nicedreamscrimsun: hmmm...works now05:32
nicedreamscrimsun: why is that?  I have it on alsa in fluxbox and it works though05:32
crimsunperhe: do you have a live Internet connection on that computer?05:32
IcedKiwihave you emailed the manufacturer05:32
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: tried plugging it into your computer?05:32
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: yes05:32
crimsunnicedreams: fluxbox does not use a sound daemon; gnome does05:32
perhecrimsun, yes, using it right now05:32
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: does it mount?05:32
crimsunperhe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)05:32
SeeleyUSMCwindows detects it and all then says it needs to be formatted and brings up the formatting window then says it cant format05:32
linux_galoreEly__: yeah I have a buddy who has cedega (Ive got a copy too) we did some tests with some windows games, and his ATi card wouldnt render some high end render effects ie water, shadows,mist  but my fx5900 card worked fine....bit of research and we found ATi drivers dont have 64 bit render support but nvidia does in Linux05:32
nicedreamscrimsun: why did it used to work in alsa?  did they change something in preview 1?05:32
perhecrimsun, thx, will do!05:32
SeeleyUSMClinux doesnt do anything05:33
crimsunperhe: ipw2200 should work by default05:33
SeeleyUSMCit says its there in the device manager but i don't know how to access it05:33
SeeleyUSMCcrimsun: my atheros AR212 is supposed to work right out of the box too.. but look where i am05:33
crimsunSeeleyUSMC: did you ever see if it's enabled in bios?05:34
perhecrimsun, I'm having trouble at least .. can't activate my card05:34
WWIcedKiwi: By the way, Ubuntu comes with a Python book: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/index.html05:34
Ely__lifeless, that's really sad to hear.. considering how their firegl line of cards are used on *nix boxes for CGI05:34
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: hav you tired mounting on linux?05:34
IcedKiwioh ok05:34
SeeleyUSMCI'm not sure how maxchee05:34
IcedKiwihow do u run a live cd?05:34
crimsunnicedreams: polypaudio was reverted to esd.05:34
perhecrimsun, I got that stuff compiled now at least, so I will continue will the install doc from the project site and see how it goes05:34
Zeppcrimsun, did that....05:35
linux_galorecedega = allows you to play windows games on Linux with next to no loss in fps speed05:35
crimsunnicedreams: polypaudio was configured to release the audio device after idle; esd wasn't by default05:35
Ely__perhe, I'm using the 2200 stuff that come with ubuntu outof the box and it works flawlessly05:35
nicedreamscrimsun: thx for the help...i'll try and fix my performance problem05:35
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: actually, try this program: http://www.universalsmartdrive.net/standard/downloads.htm05:35
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WWIcedKiwi: Assuming your computer is set up to boot from the CD, you just put the Live CD in the drive and reboot.05:35
Ely__oops.. forgot to mention I'm using hoary beta05:35
GammaRayIcedKiwi: burn the disk and make sure your bios boots from the cd before the disk05:35
crimsunZepp: returned straight to prompt?05:35
Marble2How can I route windows from certain apps to a specific instance in gnome (you know, the 4 things in the bottom right corner? What's it called anyway)05:35
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: linux is supposed to mount the flash drive automatically (by plugging it in)05:35
Zeppcrimsun, yes05:35
linux_galoreIm downloading Kubuntu 5.0405:35
IcedKiwii always have it setup to do that05:36
IcedKiwiwhat is kubuntu?05:36
crimsunZepp: now log out and back into kde05:36
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: the links to the MSI's don't go anywhere05:36
Ely__ubuntu with KDE05:36
perheEly__, well I have no idea .. all I know is that my card won't activate .. perhaps this is not the problem then05:36
Zeppcrimsun, alright one moment05:36
linux_galoreonly getting 125k/s on the download........:-(05:36
calccrimsun: the ipw2200 drives in ubuntu kernel are pretty old05:36
Ely__perhe, ever gotten it to work in linux before??05:36
crimsuncalc: k05:36
IcedKiwii can only install one linux at a time, and today i got fc3, so naturally i installed it05:36
calccrimsun: i know for certain they don't work on amd64, but they should work on what the cards come in... centrinos ;)05:36
perheEly__, no, it's all rather new05:36
Ely__perhe, make sure the card is "on" before trying to get a lease or such05:37
Ely__perhe, what laptop?05:37
linux_galorefc3 is sooo broken.....I threw it in the bin05:37
perheEly__, gl155705:37
DonLme too, linux_galore05:37
IcedKiwii bought it for $20 AUD from the NewsAgent. I have an impulse-buying problem05:37
calcon amd64 it failed to even upload the firmware with the old driver (iirc)05:37
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IcedKiwiif i wasnt saving for a new cpu, i would have walked out with a lot more05:38
GammaRaylinux_galore: it took a couple of installs to get it working here.. the installer even crashed cuz it ran out of space05:38
Ely__perhe, is there an indicator light for your wireless showing that it's active?? on some laptops the card is not active by default in linux .. you might have to make changes in bios or turnit on manually using the switch05:38
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: Linux Format DVD version magazine has SuSE 9.2 bootable DVd version on the cover AU$2405:38
Ely__perhe, if that's all setup and dandy then we can look at the driver problem05:38
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IcedKiwii dont have a dvd drive :'(05:39
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: fully installable too05:39
njanI have 3, and I don't regularly use any of them :p05:39
perheEly__, there's a light here which will be on if the wireless is active .. but right now Im just trying to activate the card05:39
IcedKiwicare to send me one?05:39
perheEly__, If I try to activate it, then it deactivates itself autoamticly05:39
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: get a JVC DVDrom from interbyte for AUD$3505:40
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njanIcedKiwi, wouldn't be much use; all bar one are laptop dvd drives, and I can't give the one away, because it's technically not mine :p05:40
IcedKiwioh ok05:40
GammaRayis it even legal to duplicate suse cds?05:40
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DonLThanks for the chat folks. I'm off now to watch a movie05:40
njanGammaRay, probably not.05:40
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IcedKiwii only have $2105:40
calcGammaRay: once novell bought them they distribute the dvd at least online05:40
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: there up near thornleigh05:40
calcnot sure about cds05:40
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njanGammaRay, apart from the ftpinstall CD..05:40
IcedKiwiand its probably going on a real modem05:40
IcedKiwii just generally need a new computer05:41
MMondI am terribly lost -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s . . . can anyone at least give a mere hint on where to begin tackling this problem05:41
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: live in Sydney I have a spare external05:41
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Redwraith111Hey all05:41
IcedKiwiive had the same one, with no upgrades since 200205:41
IcedKiwiits wasnt even great, then05:41
IcedKiwii live in Brisbane05:41
GammaRayif you make me buy it that's fine.. but to have a non free license onm parts of it is just too much05:41
Redwraith111How can I get mp3's working on hoary?05:41
Redwraith111I have tried.. I cant get it05:41
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: Im in brisbane come wed05:42
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: partition magic under windows05:42
MMondRedwraith111: xmms? :s05:42
SeeleyUSMCAnyone?  I've been looking for USB and wireless help all day and been running in circles05:42
calcthey have a 67MB cd image and 3.3GB dvd image on their ftp site05:42
crimsunRedwraith111: enable the universe repo and sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad05:42
IcedKiwiim at school on wednesday05:42
Redwraith111i installed xmms05:42
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: fdisk/parted/qtparted under linux if the disk mounts05:42
Redwraith111now i broke it05:42
Redwraith111it froze on me when i tried to play an mp305:42
crimsunRedwraith111: change the output plugin to use esound05:42
Redwraith111i restarted x05:42
Redwraith111and now it wont work at all05:42
IcedKiwimaths exam that im probably gonna get a c on05:42
linux_galoregoto visit my parents just south of brisbane05:42
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: does your drive mount in gnome by simply plugging it in to your machine05:43
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linux_galoreIcedKiwi: yeah near there......forgot the suburb05:43
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: no05:43
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: they just moved into a new house in dec05:43
IcedKiwii live on the west-ish side05:43
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: own a copy of partition magic?05:43
Redwraith111that package doesnt exist05:43
IcedKiwibut my grandparents and and uncle live in the redlands05:44
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: nope but I'm sure i can "find someone who has it"05:44
IcedKiwii used to05:44
maxcheeSeeleyUSMC: have looked up your drive's manufacture's website (they might have special utilities)05:44
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MMondCan anyone help me? Or should I maybe repeat all of that again? :x05:44
SeeleyUSMCmaxchee: they don't have support downloads for it05:44
Redwraith111how can i unbreak xmms05:44
crimsunRedwraith111: restart xmms05:44
Ely__Redwraith111, use beep-media-player !!! I'm a self proclaimed promoter of that player05:44
Redwraith111I got xmms installed05:45
GammaRayRedwraith111: oh please05:45
Redwraith111now it wont open again05:45
crimsunRedwraith111: does xmms crash when you open it?05:45
Redwraith111it doesnt open anymore05:45
Ely__modern times call for a modern media player! down with gtk 1.x05:45
Redwraith111at all05:45
GammaRayEly__: oh please..05:45
IcedKiwibrb- im getting thirsty05:45
GammaRayRedwraith111: that was meant for Ely__05:45
Redwraith111i can run it from console05:45
crimsunRedwraith111: ok. Now go to preferences -> plugins -> output05:45
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crimsunRedwraith111: change it to esound05:46
GammaRayRedwraith111: the path is probably wrong in a the launcher05:46
Redwraith111esound or alsa05:46
Redwraith111my sndcard is alsa05:46
crimsunRedwraith111: esound.05:46
Redwraith111doesnt work05:46
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Redwraith111it says: make sure yada yada05:46
crimsunRedwraith111: is esd or polypaudio running?05:46
GammaRayEly__: try gtk2 sometime on my computer.. no fun05:47
Redwraith111whats that05:47
Ely__GammaRay, how fast?05:47
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: victoria point05:47
crimsunRedwraith111: open a Terminal and type: pgrep esd05:47
tsumeI installed ubuntu hoary05:47
GammaRayEly__: K6-2 266 w/ 128MB ram..05:47
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tsumeand.. sshd only starts on ::105:47
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tsumewhich is tcp505:47
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tsumeam I missing something?05:47
Ely__GammaRay, that would explain it.. but I don't blame that on GTK2 .. there is a cost for eyecandy05:47
crimsuntsume: it's both ipv4 and ipv605:47
dampjamI really messed up xorg.  Is there an easy way to run through the xorg configurator that I did when I first installed hoary?05:48
Ely__hence why we want faster computers05:48
tsumecrimsun: it only started on ::105:48
tsumecrimsun: I looked05:48
virtuald::1 == ipv6 localhost05:48
tsumevirtuald: I'm aware05:48
virtualdtsume: check the config05:48
Redwraith111thast the output i got 2512105:48
crimsuntsume: openssh-server listens on ipv4 and ipv605:48
tsumecrimsun: I know!05:48
MMondAre there any conflictions with apache2 and php4 and ubuntu? o.005:48
tsumecrimsun: its not listening on ipv4 however!05:48
crimsuntsume: tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN05:49
IcedKiwik im back05:49
crimsuntsume: ^^ doesn't appear at all?05:49
Redwraith111what else could be blocking the soundcard?05:49
JDahlMMond, I use it without problems05:49
tsumetcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN05:49
maxcheedampjam: X-configuration05:49
maxcheedampjam: xorgcfg05:49
tsumeonly ipv6, not ipv405:49
tsumeI need ipv405:50
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: they live at victoria point05:50
crimsuntsume: then it's working just fine ... and listening on both ipv4 and ipv605:50
Redwraith111could my sblive drivers not be installed?05:50
IcedKiwii used to live there!05:50
crimsuntsume: it _is_ listening on ipv405:50
ahijahI have Ubuntu Version 4.10... has there been a kernal update recently?05:50
Ely__anyone knows how I can get codecs for totem?? the default installation of totem doesn't seem to be able to play divx files05:50
tsumecrimsun: I don't think so05:50
MMondJDahl: Any chance you can spare a sec to view my problem? -->  -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s05:50
Ely__I search apt universe sources and no luck05:50
crimsuntsume: I _know_ so.05:50
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: I used to live at Jamboree Heights when i was there05:50
tsumecrimsun: it means its listening on tcp6 only05:50
IcedKiwiI live near Indooroopilly05:51
tsumecrimsun: and if it doesn't, then that means linux's netstat is broken05:51
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Redwraith111will a restart help at all?05:51
tsumecrimsun: I can telnet to the ipv6, not ipv405:51
Zeppcrimsun, seems to be sound in kde now. you how can i have module load at boot always now? or will it05:51
SiRrUsgood evening gentlemen05:51
crimsuntsume: sshd listens on all interfaces by default05:51
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: lol my mum used to drag me around the shopping center at indoorpilly.......used to be nice and new back then05:51
tsumecrimsun: by default yes05:51
crimsunZepp: echo snd-sbawe | sudo tee -a /etc/modules05:51
atekhow come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?05:51
tsumecrimsun: then this means something is messing up with this "default" system05:51
IcedKiwii go there at least twice a week05:51
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JDahlMMond, maybe you forgot to install libapache2-mod-php4? that's a typical mistake05:52
IcedKiwiits got everything but a competent computer shop05:52
crimsuntsume: ,,telnet localhost 22'' does what?05:52
maxcheedampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg05:52
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: they still have the big water feature in the middle or did they dump that05:52
maxcheedampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xorg-common05:52
SiRrUsahijah check the topic ;)05:52
tsumecrimsun: hangs05:52
IcedKiwinot at indro05:52
tsumeand I see why :)05:52
IcedKiwithey have one at carindale though05:52
odie5533Does anyone know how to run gnome and kde at the same time?05:52
JDahlMMond, there shouldn't be anything to it... just install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and you're set to go05:52
tsumethere is no ipv4 address assigned to localhost by install default05:53
linux_galoreIcedKiwi: must have removed it05:53
tsumetheres something wrong here05:53
crimsuntsume: there absolutely are, or several things will break horridly05:53
maxcheedoes anyone who the relationship between xrender, dri and openfl?05:53
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tsumecrimsun: theres something really wrong here05:53
crimsuntsume: something happened on _your_ install05:53
maxcheesorry, opengl05:53
tsumecrimsun: I know its localhost05:53
tsumecrimsun: sshd is getting confused I think05:53
linux_galoremaxchee: here all different05:53
Redwraith111anyone have any ideas on the sound?05:53
IcedKiwiwhat does it mean when there is a yellow background to someones text?05:53
crimsuntsume: what does the following do: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart05:54
MMondI was hoping it would had been that easy.. almost Windows style - checking off a few things on Synaptic and I'm good to go.. with apache it was pretty simply, but there seem to be a lot more troubles now that I've installed a few more mods.. I'm getting nasty port errors and whatnot - and I haven't even touched anything everything is at defauly-- or should be..05:54
maxcheelinux_galore: what does xrender do then?05:54
optiksafternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed to kde for some reason?05:54
atekhow come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?05:54
crimsunRedwraith111: what error did you get with xmms (esd output)?05:54
Redwraith111the one about the resourse being busy05:54
crimsunRedwraith111: with esound?05:54
Redwraith111and in terminal i get the error :05:54
tsumecrimsun: still hangs ;)05:54
MMondsimple* default*05:54
atekhow come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?05:54
tsumeI'm curious why sshd doesn't want to listen on 127.1 2205:54
Redwraith111nothing.. but it says device busy05:55
linux_galoremaxchee: opengl is in direct competition to Direct X  dri is a low level render option think hardware and xrender is a software render option05:55
Redwraith111Coudnt open audio05:55
tsumeit does in fact listen on
Redwraith111check that your sound card is installed properly etc05:55
IcedKiwiwhats that number?05:55
maxcheelinux_galore: so xrender pairs up with dri and mesa pairs up with native open driver?05:55
crimsunRedwraith111: what was the output of ''pgrep esd,, ?05:55
JDahlMMond, I've never had problems... but I havent had both apache1.3 and apache2 installed on the same time. The "no-brainer" solution could be to purge everything related to apache and start over with only apache2.005:55
crimsuntsume: please paste me the output of ,,ip a'' (sanitise if you're paranoid)05:56
linux_galoremaxchee: well dri is often not activated with some drivers its built in.....mesa is just another lib05:56
crimsun(in private or in #flood)05:56
tsumecrimsun: minute, let me ask another question05:56
tsumeis sshd installed by default?05:56
crimsunyou need to install openssh-server.05:57
tsumecrimsun: I don't remember the install menu05:57
tsumecrimsun: oh05:57
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Zeppcrimsun, any idea why sometimes sound will play or not play sorta. or will like cut out. kinda like something else is using the audio device or takes it over :/05:57
tsumecrimsun: my friend was installing ubuntu, hence the questions I couldn't answer05:57
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IcedKiwiHey DarthFrog05:57
DarthFroghi IcedKiwi05:57
IcedKiwidid you get some sleep?05:57
micmurHey all05:57
IcedKiwior food05:57
Redwraith111that is the output of pgrep esd05:57
crimsunZepp: I need much more information, for instance any errors displayed regarding sound and which applications...05:57
DarthFrogIcedKiwi: Just came back from dinner out. :-)05:57
linux_galoreyeah need openssh-server and port 22 open to get a remote host login to the localhost05:57
DarthFrogIcedKiwi: It's 9 pm here.05:57
IcedKiwihow was it?05:57
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IcedKiwiits 3pm here05:58
linux_galoreSun Mar 20 16:02:23 EST 200505:58
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Zeppcrimsun, no errors. and just kaffeine. was trying to just play some wav grabbed off net to test. sometimes it seems like it would play and others it played but nothing came out :/05:58
crimsunRedwraith111: ok, good.  Now please do this in a Terminal: cat /proc/asound/modules05:58
MMondJDahl: What I have been doing is a complete removal of everything related to anything of this sort.. proxy settings, apache, php, etc., and doing a complete fresh install.. but I think I might had missed something .. apache2 is currently working, but when I try to go to a php file.. I get the stupid "save dialog" . . . I can't figure out what else it could be..05:58
micmurAnybody familar with alsa?05:58
crimsunmicmur: what's up?05:58
tsumeubuntu is nice05:58
maxcheewill gnome & gtk support dnd in its filechooser widget in a future version?05:58
micmurJust the man I was looking for05:58
tsumeeverything works :05:58
Redwraith1110 snd_intel8x005:58
Redwraith1111 snd_emu10k105:58
micmurHow are you doing?05:59
crimsunmicmur: not bad, being bombarded. Yourself?05:59
linux_galorelol Ubuntu servers seem to be getting hammered right now05:59
micmurPretty good thanks05:59
crimsunRedwraith111: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0m05:59
JDahlMMond, just removing with either "apt-get remove" or synaptic wont help... you need dpkg --purge to remove all debconf information from the apt database05:59
maxcheeI expect to be able to drag a file from the filechooser to the trash applet05:59
micmurcrimsun: Here's the problem05:59
maxcheeor the desktop05:59
maxcheeor any folders05:59
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MMondJDahl: I am a total nub at this -- where exactly do I place the php files? :s05:59
micmurcrimsun: I have sound but when I boot the sound is severely distorted. Also happens when I use mplayer05:59
linux_galoreack another 2 hours for Kubuntu06:00
MMondI am a total nub to linux/ubuntu/apache/php/mysql . . . :x06:00
micmurcrimsun: In mplayer, I can't change sound output to esd either...and xmms only works with OSS06:00
Redwraith111im using the sndblaster though..06:00
crimsunmicmur: even with mplayer -ao esd ?06:00
JDahlMMond, the php files go the same places as html files (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install)06:00
micmurmplayer doesn't have that option06:00
goxyhey i have intel 536ep modem and this not work help me06:01
crimsunRedwraith111: apparently alsa's primary device is the onboard ac97 in your situation, not the sblive.06:01
micmurcrimsun: I only have mpegp, oss, null, or pcm as options in mplayer06:01
crimsunRedwraith111: what was the output of that command I gave you?06:01
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IcedKiwi-imone thing i've noticed about irc is that you dont as many weirdos giving you links for porn sites06:01
crimsunRedwraith111: are you using warty or hoary?06:01
linux_galore<-- has SB Live works fine06:01
Redwraith111i got the sndblaser to work by changing the alsa setting to the sndblaser instead of default06:02
IcedKiwi-imits IcedKiwi, but i got disconnected and had to get a new name...06:02
Redwraith111my onboard doesnt seem to want to work and it was default06:02
Redwraith111how can i get x or gnome to make a sound and see if it works?06:02
MMond(e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install) <-- Could you please elaborate that? /06:02
crimsunRedwraith111: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base06:02
holycowIcedKiwi, sure, you just the fat fucks masquarading as 12 year old girls06:02
micmurcrimsun:I go to play a quicktime file from apple.com and get video but very distorted and choppy sound06:02
holycow40 year old fat fucks even06:02
crimsunRedwraith111: type that entire command into the Terminal06:02
IcedKiwi-imim actually1306:02
Redwraith111i did06:02
JDahlMMond, or ~/public_html might be saner for testing since you dont need admin privs06:02
Redwraith111options snd-intel8x0 index=-206:03
Redwraith111is output06:03
crimsunRedwraith111: good, now reboot.06:03
Redwraith111x or the entire comp?06:03
crimsunRedwraith111: reboot.06:03
Redwraith111then come back or should sound work everywhere?06:03
crimsunRedwraith111: well I'd appreciate it if you let me know either way06:04
Redwraith111then i have another question to ask yo06:04
Redwraith111about gaim switchboard errors06:04
Redwraith111i was runing debian two days ago06:04
Redwraith111and got them06:04
Redwraith111with firestarter running06:04
MMondJDahl:, this seems to be the address for the local server, what would be the absolute path for the files, within my harddrive?06:04
Redwraith111now ubuntu is doing it too06:04
JDahlMMond, the files you see when you type "http://localhost" in firefox are stored in ~www-data... but you should test stuff in ~/public_html06:04
Redwraith111and there is no firewall06:04
linux_galore?? @ switchboard06:04
crimsunRedwraith111: ok, let's tackle the sound first.06:04
Redwraith111nvm.. they only go when u arent connected enough06:05
Redwraith111see you on the flip06:05
linux_galore<-- on gaim06:05
crimsunmicmur: what happens if you use alsa directly with mplayer?06:05
Redwraith111i dont use sudo because i set up the root account and just su06:05
IcedKiwi-imneway, linux_galore, u said u have a spare external modem?06:05
micmurcrimsun:how would I do that?06:05
JDahlMMond, of course you need to create ~/public_html and make it readable for all06:05
linux_galoreIcedKiwi yeah gathering dust06:05
ZeppHow can i use xmms with the kde sound system. kde just takes over the sound device and nothing else can play until its idle time hits and it lets go :/06:05
IcedKiwi-imcare to post it to me?06:06
linux_galoreIcedKiwi pffft06:06
linux_galorebugger that06:06
IcedKiwi-imfine then....06:06
crimsunmicmur: mplayer -ao alsa <some file>06:07
JDahlMMond, I should also mention that if you use ~/public_html, then the correct url would http://localhost/~username06:07
MMondMmm, simply plain off - what files from synaptic would I need to get LAMP going on?06:07
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Redwraith111thanks crimsun06:07
Redwraith111it works like a charm06:07
IcedKiwi-imwb, redwraith06:07
micmurcrimsun:I'll try that now...06:07
Redwraith111lets see if it works in xmms06:07
Redwraith111with the esound06:07
wpikuanyone know why a new ubunty hoary install would fail on "Stopping tasks: ===" which is during the kernel/initrd load06:07
aspuruHow come I can't get totem or wxvlc or tuxracer to use the sound?06:08
Redwraith111im really interested in learning what that DID06:08
wpikuubuntu even06:08
aspurualthough gnome uses the sound?06:08
Redwraith111like i saw the command but im really knew06:08
aspuru(same or similar problem)06:08
JDahlMMond, maybe first find a simple php test script, and make sure it works? It shouldnt be hard06:08
crimsunRedwraith111: you don't need esound in xmms06:08
crimsunRedwraith111: you can set it to oss or alsa06:08
pinPointhow do you close dselect06:08
pinPointthe ones that are 'floating'06:08
wpikuthis is amd64 too06:08
Redwraith111but what did that all "gibberish" mean06:08
Redwraith111like i cant do that by myself lol if i reinstall06:08
crimsunpinPoint: scroll down to quit and press enter06:08
Redwraith111thanks alot06:09
Redwraith111im gonna try to get my printer working06:09
Redwraith111i got it working in deb so...06:09
Redwraith111lets see06:09
pinPointcrimsun: can there be ones that are... in memory06:09
crimsunRedwraith111: that last command told alsa to choose any other command over your onboard.06:09
Redwraith111ill bb in 5 min06:09
pinPointaspuru: you got wxvlc working06:09
crimsunRedwraith111: rather, any other sound card over...06:09
MMondJDahl: Well as far as testing.. I'm simply having this put in: . . . it gives me a dialog saying "save this file," so obviously at this - php is not properly installed . . . but what would be the absolute path within my harddrive at the files?06:09
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(micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: Playing alsa.06:09
(micmur/#ubuntu) File not found: 'alsa'06:09
(micmur/#ubuntu) Failed to open alsa06:09
(MMond/#ubuntu) And I'm just asking the absoulte path merely out of curiousity - I can't do anything now it seems, but I would like to know :s06:10
Redwraith111wow that was insanely easy06:10
Redwraith111i didnt even have to install cups or anything@06:10
crimsunmicmur: no, you need a file06:10
crimsunmicmur: mplayer -ao alsa foo.mp306:10
linux_galoreZepp: you can use kmplayer  just kde front end to mplayer that way it sync's with artsd fine06:10
Redwraith111YES YES06:10
crimsunmicmur: like that.06:10
Redwraith111thanks all06:11
crimsunRedwraith111: np06:11
Redwraith111how can i share it with a windows PC?06:11
micmurThat's what I did...06:11
Zepplinux_galore, what about xmms?06:11
aspurupinpoint with no audio yes06:11
crimsunRedwraith111: windows pc should be able to access files on your ubuntu computer?06:11
micmurcrimsun: sudo mplayer --ao alsa /home/micmur/Music//home/micmur/Desktop/Music/u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp306:11
linux_galoreZepp: kde has juk  its like itunes on steroids06:11
Redwraith111i dunno.. did smb set up?06:11
crimsunmicmur: no need for sudo06:11
micmurcrimsun: that's what I typed in06:11
Zepplinux_galore, bro/family sorta used to winamp. dont know if can get them to convert haha06:11
crimsunmicmur: just -ao, not --ao06:11
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(Redwraith111/#ubuntu) but they have to have a user account on here dont htey?06:12
(micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: no go06:12
(Redwraith111/#ubuntu) just set it up exactly as that one (name and password?)06:12
(micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun:Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied06:12
(micmur/#ubuntu) Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.06:12
(linux_galore/#ubuntu) Zepp: well juk has an advanced play list editor plus it can build a database for all the songs and make it searchable and even hook into online databases for cd covers and artist info for the song06:12
(micmur/#ubuntu) amongst other things06:12
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crimsunmicmur: that's not a fatal error for mplayer06:13
micmurcrimsun:It's telling me that it's Playing -.06:13
micmurReading from stdin...06:13
IcedKiwi-imi need a hobby... the internet is getting boring...06:13
micmurcrimsun:but I'm getting nothing...mplayer didn't even popup06:13
linux_galoremicmur: run player at root first  is  sudo gmplayer06:13
linux_galorebet it works06:14
crimsunmicmur: I think you're using the wrong syntax06:14
ellsanyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print06:14
micmurcrimsun:ok, now mplayer opens06:14
MMondJDahl: Mm, given up helping? o.0 Please say so if you have :x06:14
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Redwraith111icedkiwi... can you help me get my linux printer shared with windows? if your bored06:15
Redwraith111im serious :)06:16
IcedKiwi-imim not smart enought to do that06:16
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Redwraith111Well crimsun when your done I would appreciate your expertise06:16
ellsanyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print06:16
Redwraith111Plus I like worship you now06:16
micmursudo gmplayer -ao alsa some file doesn't work. It open but still distorted sound (playing at 2x speed)06:16
IcedKiwi-imwouldnt you need file compatibility, but for a printer? or something06:16
linux_galoremicmur: trick I have with mplayer is to first run it as root then I go  sudo cp  /root/./mplayer*  /home/user_name   then sudo chown -R user_name  /home/user_name/./mplayer06:17
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Redwraith111lol guys.. here we go again06:17
Redwraith111yesterday i spent 2 hours setting up my ati drivers on deb06:17
crimsunlinux_galore: whoa, no need for all that.06:17
Redwraith111will i have to do what i did here?06:17
crimsunRedwraith111: using fglrx?06:18
Zepplinux_galore, ya I will see.06:18
JDahlMMond, I was answering a few emails... from what you describe it seems that php is not installed06:18
crimsunRedwraith111: much simpler.  Read the relevant section of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:18
linux_galorecrimsun: thats not all of it then I had to copy the /etc/mplayer/codecs  file to /home/user_name/codecs.conf06:18
Redwraith111printing was a HELL of alot easier too06:18
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MMondJDahl: Seems so . . . plain off, what files are needed to get php on apache?06:18
IcedKiwiive spent about 10 or so hours trying to find the right thingy to make my winmodem work in Linux06:18
ZeppI think this computer needs a faster cpu haha or more ram, or both06:19
crimsunlinux_galore: not sure why you're even messing with all that.06:19
Zeppkde is a bit heavy on it. but oh well06:19
linux_galorecrimsun: then it all worked fine........plays anything as a user06:19
crimsunmicmur: please close all instances of mplayer06:19
linux_galorecrimsun: because mplayer wont built the ./mplayer stuff properly as a user06:19
IcedKiwiand nothing to show for it, either06:19
linux_galorebuilt = setup06:20
Redwraith111can i use xf86config to allow my comp to use higher res's?06:20
JDahlMMond, first please create ~/public_html and store an html file there... then use "http://localhost/~username/file.html" as the url in firefox.. that way at least you know where to store files. Otherwise type "cd ~www-data" like I mentioned06:20
crimsunmicmur: now do this: pkill esd ; pkill polypaudio ; mplayer -ao alsa ~/Desktop/Music/"u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3"06:21
JDahlMMond, as for php, you just need to write "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4"06:21
linux_galorecrap Im dont to 56k/s on this Kubuntu download06:21
crimsunmicmur: and really, you should stop pirating music ;)06:21
jnoonis it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?06:22
aspuruhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary <--- micmur, this just solved my problems with totem :)06:22
Redwraith111guys... i have xorg!06:22
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bob2jnoon: if you think it's a problem, please just follow up to the bug06:22
Redwraith111i was gonna install the warty ones06:22
ellsanyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print06:22
micmurcrimsun:Who said I pirated it?:)06:23
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Redwraith111im so dense sometimes06:23
Redwraith111ill see you later06:23
Ely__is there some good way to add a recycle bin to ubunto desktop?? short of using gconf editor06:23
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Ely__I find it kind of annoying that there is no icon for it06:23
Ely__or the option to turn it on rather06:23
crimsunmicmur: the filename.06:23
IcedKiwibut theres one in the lower righthand corner of the screen06:23
MMond-> root@tosh:/var/www # ls apache2-default  docbook-dsssl06:23
MMondAnd just a sec, I'll place the html file there06:23
Ely__IcedKiwi, I mean a real desktop icon06:23
MMondroot@tosh:/var/www # ls <-> apache2-default  docbook-dsssl06:24
jnoonbob2, not sure what you mean.  on install it trying to automatic detect DHCP settings and fails, but if i run it again it figures them out.  problem is is i get that "kind" of connection for the rest of the time onward06:24
micmurcrimsun:I typed it in like you put, but I'm still getting errors06:24
IcedKiwiwoudnt 'create launcher' or somthing along those lines be able to do it?06:25
crimsunmicmur: paste me in private the errors06:25
bob2jnoon: why do you think that has anything to do with ipv6?06:25
ellsanyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print06:25
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Ely__IcedKiwi, I tried no luck yet06:26
jnoonbob2, well, that was my best guess after reading all around, and eliminating other things it could be.  doesnt mean im 100% right, just my best guess06:26
Ely__IcedKiwi, I'm just amazed how ubuntu went against Gnome HIG without adding an undo feature for this06:26
mellinuxMan, fellas, I just found an old 10GB hard drive and now I'm dual-booting Ubuntu. This baby HAULS! I love it!06:26
micmuraspuru:thanks for the link06:26
mellinux..it beats the pants off of winXP.06:26
micmurmellinux:Welcome to the party!06:27
ellsI am dumping xp next week06:27
ellstotally ubuntu06:27
mellinuxI'm trying to figure out sound.06:27
micmurells:I'm this close to dumping xp06:27
IcedKiwithe only thing winXP beats the pants off is just about every other windows ive used...06:27
ellsmicmur, I just am fed up with it06:27
mellinuxI got GAIM to go "brrrrrrring" every time I get a message, but I can't seem to play CD's.06:27
MMondDear God . . . "Can't open file to write," that's what it says when I try to say save it in /var/www, what possible wrong could had caused this now?06:28
micmurells:You're preaching to the choir brother06:28
ellsmicmur, all the popups and with sp2, it cannot connect with wep enabled06:28
ellsmicmur, totally ridiculous06:28
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ellsmicmur, I will keep a small parition on my laptop for xp to do dvd burns, pda, and my ipod06:29
crimsunmicmur: that error's simple: the file doesn't exist.06:29
mellinuxIs there any way to make X-Chat use the PC's speakers, not the internal beeper, when I get a message or it highlights?06:29
Ely__ells, to do DVD burns?? and ipod??06:29
micmurells:only reason I still have xp is due to some web-design files i have for a client06:29
Ely__ells, can't both of those be done in linux?06:29
ellsEly_ yeap06:29
IcedKiwiat least your modems work....06:29
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JDahlMMond, you likely dont have write permissions to /var/www...06:29
mellinuxwinXP is good to keep for the things that are for the masses06:29
ellsEly_ I cannot do total copies yet06:29
mellinux.. like the iPod06:29
mellinux, which i have.06:29
micmurcrimsun:just wanted to make sure I'm not reading things incorrectly-which is the norm for me at this point, lol06:29
ellsEly_ dont know how to compress to put on 4.706:29
mellinuxAnd I'm going to use winXP for my iPod until I figure out how to use Ubuntu with it.06:30
Ely__ells, I'm sure I have seen a couple of apps that do that automatically06:30
MMondUbuntu is extremely confusing to me.. how can I do this? Should I just save the file in desktop, and move it to there from root term?06:30
ellsmicmur,  just bought a 120 gig drive from tiger direct for 40 bucks06:30
ellsEly_ can you pass one on to me06:30
micmurwhat kind?06:30
ellsmicmur: good bargain, maxtor06:30
DarthFrogells: Refurb?06:30
ellsonly 540006:30
Ely__MMond, that's why they should make turning on desktop icons really easy06:30
ellsDarthFrog,  naw new06:30
ellsmicmur, I believe it is ide06:31
micmuri have a 120GB Maxtor sata in here06:31
ellsmicmur: I came across it the other night06:31
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ellsDarthFrog, could not pass it up06:31
micmurcrimsun:you going to be around tonight?06:31
crimsunmicmur: for a bit longer, yes.06:31
DarthFrogells:  Holy smokes.  I just checked tigerdirect.ca.  They have the same drive for CDN$49.97.06:31
micmurcool, gotta go for a bit06:31
ellsDarthFrog, this will give me 150 gig of space06:31
omniscientwhere are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?06:32
ellsDarthFrog, see06:32
micmurcrimsun:as always, thanks for the help!06:32
DarthFrogells: I have a 200 gigger and a 120 gigger. Not short of space. :-)06:32
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ellsDarthFrog, read the fine print, you will have to send in one rebate i think06:32
ellsDarthFrog, I only have a 30 on this desktop06:32
ellsDarthFrog, it is setup so I can access ssh from school06:33
mellinuxI'm overwhelmed at how fast this sucker is. Ubuntu flied on my old Pentium II laptop with ~180MB of RAM, but with a Athlon XP 2800+ and a gig of Mushkin RAM, this baby HAULS! Yesssss.06:33
helio1There are two packages in the Hoary update (libfaad2-0 and libxvidcore4) from the netim repositories that return the GPG error: "NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 (tailed)"  Should I accept them regardless or edit my repositories?06:33
DarthFrogells: That's very convenient.06:33
ellsDarthFrog, I goto college and dont want to drag all my files around06:33
ellsDarthFrog, just makes life easier06:33
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ellsDarthFrog, even my kids are converts. They want Xp of this machine06:34
DarthFrogells: Yeah, it is after rebate.  CDN$69.97 before rebate.06:34
MMondNow ..  . what is the command to move file from one place to another..  /home/user/Desktop/text.html to /var/www . . .06:34
ellsDarthFrog,  still not bad06:34
Ely__anyone knows a package equivilant to "mscorefonts" in debian?06:34
darkmv orig new06:34
IcedKiwixp is a suped up 9806:34
IcedKiwibut slightly more stable :D06:35
MMondmv /home/user/Desktop/test.html /var/www/ -- would that work, omniscient?06:35
sabmocDarthFrog, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam06:35
Ely__I need the arial font from that package06:35
MMondI hope you really are omniscient :D06:35
MMondThanks you06:35
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omniscientMM2_, i am.06:35
calcIcedKiwi: hmm i thought it was os2 -> nt -> 2000 -> xp06:35
ellshelio1, dont worry bout those ids06:35
helio1ells: so just DL them anyway?06:35
IcedKiwigood point06:35
MMondWell, I suppose that could be accounted for a physical error - not a mental err!06:35
ellshelio1, my partner says that like not registered or something06:35
calc98 was win 1/2/3 -> 95 -> 98 -> ME -> dumpster06:36
sabmocany Canadians interested in joining the Canadian Ubuntu team?06:36
DarthFrogsabmoc: Looks interesting.06:36
JDahlMMond, what's wrong with my suggestion about storing things in your homedir under /home/username/public_html? that way you can mess around all you want messing ruining anything... also, with danger of sounding condescending: be a bit careful what you're doing with web and ftp servers if you dont know what you're doing06:36
helio1ells: thanks! and cool about your kids preferring Ubuntu over xp06:36
sabmocDarthFrog, glad you think so06:36
ellshelio1, my son is pissed at all the pop ups06:36
ellshelio1, he is cool now that thru codeweavers i got macromedia to work and quicktime06:37
IcedKiwi98 is good for one thing- making jokes that end in Gates dying06:37
calclike southpark movie :)06:37
IcedKiwiand just about every other human being very happy for a while06:37
helio1ells: hmm what do you mean got macromedia to work? which app?06:37
Ely__anyone successfuly played divx files or video files in general with totem?06:38
ellshelio1, I have got codeweavers, ,it works over wine06:38
IcedKiwiuntil they remember certain 'politicians' are still alive...06:38
helio1Ely__: yes i have06:38
Ely__or do I need any special files added from some special repository?06:38
ellshelio1, not en exact science though06:38
MMondJDahl: I think I missed that(while you repeated so many time, sorry), storing it there.. I'll give it a shot right now, including creating the folder public_html.. and oh, I have (finally) through root term, moved the file to /var/www06:38
calcthe bluescreen when he was showing off 98 at ces was great :)06:38
pinPointhelio1: xvid, bin files too?06:38
omniscienthow would i go about backing up my packages and package database, am going to reinstall ubuntu but dont want to have to download all those packages again..06:38
Ely__helio1, totem doesn't seem to play standard divx files.. can't find codec06:38
IcedKiwiis wine a windows simulator?06:38
omniscientplanning on backing up to a dvd or 206:38
helio1pinPoint: i haven't tried xvid yet06:38
calcEly__: totem-xine will play them06:38
IcedKiwiis it expensive?06:38
ellsIcedKiwi,more like an emulator06:38
pinPointhelio1: bin?06:39
ellswine is free06:39
DarthFrogIcedKiwi: No.  It's an implementation of the Win API in Linux.06:39
omniscientEly__, vlc06:39
Ely__calc, thank you!06:39
ellsDarthFrog, ,thanks06:39
helio1Ely__: yes, I think I converted to Totem-Xine early on06:39
IcedKiwidoes Linux automatically come with it?06:39
Ely__omniscient, I want totem for the thumbnailer06:39
calcEly__: you just need to add universe to your sources.list and then install that instead of totem-gstreamer06:39
ellsIcedKiwi, yes06:39
omniscientah ok06:39
ellswell if apt-get06:39
ellsIcedKiwi, ,make sure you get winesetuptk as well06:39
DarthFrogIcedKiwi: It will be apt-gettable if not installed.  Crossover is a commercial implementation of Wine.06:39
IcedKiwii only have a winmodem but it still doesnt work06:40
helio1pinPoint: I nope; haven't tried bin yet; just divx, quicktime, avi stuff so far... some wmv too06:40
Ely__sorry if this is a dumb question.. but is there a way to "su" in ubuntu?06:40
calcsudo su -06:40
DarthFrogEly__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:40
Ely__sorry... I am used to oldschool distros06:40
DarthFrogEly__: If you assign a password to root, it'll work like you're used to.06:41
IcedKiwihehe, i just killed another split end...06:41
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pinPointwhere can i get vlc06:42
crimsunpinPoint: in universe06:43
IcedKiwiits so quiet06:44
crimsunthe calm after the storm06:44
IcedKiwias it early morning in the states?06:45
pinPointcrimsun: universe?06:45
pinPointwhats that?06:45
DarthFrogIcedKiwi: It'll be 12:45 AM on the east coast.06:45
ellsIcedKiwi, it is about 1045 at night06:46
IcedKiwiis that the side with LA or the side with New York?06:46
DarthFrogIcedKiwi: 9:45 pm here on the wet coast.06:46
DarthFrogNew York.06:46
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omniscientwhere are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?06:46
odie5533anyone know a good way to delete all the kubuntu things if you install via terminal?06:46
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DarthFrogomniscient: /var/cache/apt/archives06:47
pastyhermitDoes ubuntu have a good MP3 Ripper06:47
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pastyhermitI tried the CD ripper but it doesnt do the trick06:47
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DarthFrogpastyhermit: grip and lame make a good combo.06:47
pastyhermitsupports all the useless formats in the world06:47
linux_galorepastyhermit: I use grip06:47
pastyhermitgrip eh06:47
pastyhermitk cool06:47
pastyhermitapt-get install grip06:47
linux_galoregrip is easy06:47
ellsanyone know of a good way to rip a dvd, compress it and copy it back to a playable format for a home dvd player06:47
devmnkyis there anyway to get kernel 2.6.10.x on ubuntu ? or is 2.6.8.x the latest one?06:47
pastyhermitdevmnky, compile yourself :D06:48
devmnkyis there a wiki for it /06:48
DarthFrogdevmnky: Hoary has 2.6.1006:48
linux_galoreells: k3b can rip to divx06:48
bob2devmnky: er? 2.6.10 is the default on hoary.06:48
MMondJDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x06:48
DarthFrogbob2: He's running warty.06:48
devmnkyi'm using warty tho06:48
MMondThe requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at Port 8006:48
linux_galoreells: from a dvd06:48
bob2devmnky: was the latest kernel when warty froze.06:48
ellslinux_galore,  thought they only did data dvds06:48
linux_galoreells: nope06:49
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devmnkyso can i install 2.6.10 on warty ?06:49
ellsreally, since when06:49
linux_galoreells: been doing that for 3 months06:49
pastyhermitdevmnky, depends how good you are06:49
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ellslinux_galore will check, be right back06:49
pastyhermitKDE 3.4 is faster than gnome06:49
JDahlMMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"06:49
sabmoclinux_galore, hey dude06:49
linux_galorehai sabmoc06:50
pastyhermitInitializing CPU#006:50
pastyhermitCPU: After generic identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000000006:50
pastyhermitCPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000000006:50
pastyhermitCPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K06:50
pastyhermitCPU serial number disabled.06:50
pastyhermitCPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 0000000006:50
pastyhermitCPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 0206:50
pastyhermitACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1]  C2[C2] )06:50
pastyhermitACPI: Processor [CPU0]  (supports 8 throttling states)06:50
DarthFrogdevmnky: Simpler to change all your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary and do a total upgrade.  "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"06:50
pastyhermitI didnt mean for that much to come out06:50
pastyhermitplease dont kick me :D06:50
bob2please don't do that06:50
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pastyhermitsorry bob206:50
MMMondsorry, I got disconnected.. <MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x <MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at Port 80 --- anything you had said?06:50
devmnkypastyhermit, i'm a linux newb06:50
devmnkybut i follow instruction well ;)06:50
JDahlMMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"06:50
pastyhermitdevmnky, then you will have to wait till the packages come out06:50
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pastyhermitdevmnky, otherwise you will be up the creek without a boat!06:50
MMMondJDahl: Got it, thanks06:51
zenroxdevmnky,  read www.ubuntuguide.org06:51
IcedKiwiim a linux newb06:51
devmnkyi read that, but that doesnt tell me how to compile my kernel06:51
zenroxdevmnky,  and www.ubuntuforums.org and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki06:51
IcedKiwii need a driver for my modem06:51
omniscientif i reinstall ubuntu, then copy all my packages back to /var/cache/apt/archives06:52
DarthFrogdevmnky: It's not a job for a newbie.06:52
omniscientthen run apt-get update, then dist-upgrade06:52
omniscientwill it recognise the files already in the archive?06:52
omniscientfrom previous install?06:52
pastyhermitprodigy ownz06:53
devmnkyDarthFrog, i've compiled my kernel before with gentoo06:53
DarthFrogdevmnky: I suggest that you don't do it till you've been around linux for a while.06:53
DarthFrogdevmnky: Ah, I see. :-)  Sorry.06:53
ellsLinux_galore, can you walk me thru it, I dont see it in there06:53
devmnkys'ok, but i'm still a newb06:53
devmnkyok, well short of compiling my kernel06:53
devmnkyis there anyway of changing the kernel's config without a re-compile ?06:53
devmnkycuz i need to enable some drivers that hotplug doesnt recognize06:54
MMMondJDahl: Yes, the file is at /home/khan/public_html/test.html . . . and currently: http://localhost/user/test1.html --- I'm getting 404 :c06:54
devmnkybut it has kernel support06:54
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JDahlMMMond, http://localhost/~user/test1.html06:54
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pinPointwhat vlc should i install06:54
IcedKiwiwb odie06:54
arekcompiling a kernel is nothing difficult06:54
pinPointso many choices06:55
ellsDarthFrog, ,I was told that K3b can rip a dvd to Divx. do you know if this is true, and if so how to doit06:55
MMMondThe requested URL /~user/test1.html was not found on this server. <---> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 8006:55
IcedKiwii miss my old 486...06:55
pinPointwxWindows fronted for VLC?06:55
JDahlMMMond, sorry - http://localhost/~khan/test1.html06:55
DarthFrogells: k3b is a burning program, not a ripping program.  You want dvdrip to do DVD --> DivX.06:55
MMMondThe requested URL /~khan/test1.html was not found on this server.06:55
MMMondApache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 8006:55
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ellsDarthFrog, I want to be able to rip a dvd,  copy it and play it on my home player06:56
IcedKiwii loved that old thing... *starts speaking the langague of flying plums*06:56
DarthFrogells: Does your home player play DivX?06:57
MMMondGot it06:57
omniscientaw fuck why wont my dvd burner be recognised by k3b :(06:57
MMMondIt's working06:57
ellsDarthFrog, DVDRip is cool,but it rips into vobs. Not sure about the home player06:57
MMMondNow - should I try a php file..06:57
MMMondJust for heck of it06:57
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JDahlMMMond, that's odd... I have to leave, though. I cant remember if userdirs are enabled by default in apache. Maybe someone else can help you there06:57
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DarthFrogells: dvdrip combines with transcode to make the DivX.06:57
ellsDarthFrog, can you walk me thru the process06:58
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DarthFrogells: Sorry, I don't do that. No experience.06:58
blahrusanyone having issues with hoary apt mirrors?06:58
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MMMondNow . . . who's gonna help me?! Come on . . . someone with php/apache/linux/LAMP knowledge.. step right up06:58
DarthFrogells: I'm sure that dvdrip would have tutorials.06:58
ellsDarthFrog, I have dealt with dvdrip before, but it would not encode to divx for me06:59
DarthFrogMMMond: Depends. :-)06:59
ChickenMasterhey guys just wondering how do i boot without X-server so i can install the nvidia drivers for my MX44006:59
DarthFrogells: No, it hands the job off to transcode.06:59
DarthFrogChickenMaster: in a root console, type "init 1"06:59
DarthFrogChickenMaster: When finished, type "init 2".07:00
ChickenMasterthat all?07:00
ellsDarthFrog, well I need to check it again, cause it would not encode07:00
DarthFrogells: I'm sure the documentation will cover what you want to do.07:01
ellsDarthFrog,  it should really, but the doc. is really vague07:01
ellsDarthFrog, checked all over the internet07:01
DarthFrogells: you could always boot into Windows and use dvdshrink.07:02
ellsDarthFrog: no offense, that would defeat the purpose, trying to get off windows, ,kind of like going cold turker07:03
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DarthFrogells: Oh, I understand ferpectly.07:03
|Gunther|Hi I have a question guys07:03
AndrosShoot, Gunther07:03
ellsDarthFrog, right now I am in dvdrip and it wont encode the video. it wants to rip it first07:03
|Gunther|Ilost my Ubuntu user password, how can I get into the system again and regain the control I once had?07:03
DarthFrogells: Let it.07:04
MMMondDarthFrog: You're on. Alright . . . so uhh, I wanted to get LAMP working.. did so, at one point.. had installed Apache 1.3, php4, mysql . . . and everything seemed to work great together . . . then I saw apache2 was available . . . did a complete removal of everything, and installed everything again.. apache2, php4, mysql . . . now apache2 works, but not php . . . where to begin?07:04
DarthFrogells: read the documentation about transcoding.07:04
AndrosHmm...Methinks your screwed there, Gunther.07:04
|Gunther|k thanks07:04
MMMondAnd oh, I'm also a LAMP/linux/ubuntu/php/mysql nub . . . this should make your night07:04
ellsDarthFrog, I checked, I have the most current transcode07:04
DarthFrogMMMond: You're beyond me there.  I've not touched Apache 2 yet.  Seen no reason to.07:04
DarthFrogells: Yeah, but it should tell you how to set up dvdrip to do the trancoding to MPEG-4 automatically.07:05
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Brunellusanybody running fluxbox?07:05
MMMondDarthFrog: Thank you anyways for the mere attempt (really) :D07:05
ellsDarthFrog, nope, I am suprised anyone has got this to work right, not very good doc07:06
DarthFrogMMMond: I've not gone to Apache 2 yet for exactly the problems you're having. Apache 1.3 works plenty good enough.07:06
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DarthFrogUh oh, hide the cheese, SeeleyUSMC's here. :-)07:07
crimsunBrunellus: on another machine, yes.  Why?07:07
MMMondDarthFrog: Suppose I install apache1.3.. and do leave apache2 as is - will this linger problems? Or shall I just do it?07:07
anders_ells: I usually use: 1. dvdbackup (rip dvd to harddisk), 2. "wine dvdshrink"(make it fit single layer dvd), 3. k3b(put video_ts files in dvd-video project, burn)07:07
Brunellusjust curious.  if I apt-get fluxbox, will it be added to the GDM session-types menu automatically, too?07:07
DarthFrogMMMond: Once again, I have no experience.07:08
ellsanders_ cool will try that but when I did before it did not see my dvd burner07:08
DarthFrogMMMond: But if it were me, I'd stick to Apache 1.3. :-)07:08
crimsunBrunellus: yes.  Just choose fluxbox in the Session menu of GDM.07:08
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anders_ells: oh, I run "gksudo k3b"07:08
|Gunther|I have ubuntu, but i would like to selct it on GRUB, what parameters should be in place in the grub.conf?07:08
DarthFroganders_: dvdshrink runs well under wine?07:08
ellsanders, ,nice07:09
omniscientcan i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?07:09
Brunelluscrimsun:  will I be able to run nautilus under fluxbox under the default, as well?07:09
MMMondDarthFrog: For what inducement? Quiet honestly . . . the mere reason I had gone to apache2 was . . . well, because the number '2' was higher than the number '1.3,' and higher numbers are usually more dependable in today's world07:09
omniscientor do i HAVE to recompile kernel?07:09
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camwhats the gnome update menu's command?07:09
anders_DarthFrog: not well, only reads harddisk and not really stable07:09
ellsanders, this process should work for me,  will try07:09
cammy menu's just disapeared07:09
DarthFrogMMMond: I know that attitude all too well. :-)07:09
jnoonwhat would cause dns resolution to fail or take a long time (long than normal)?07:09
ellsanders, you can play these on your home player07:10
camand they are back07:10
crimsunBrunellus: yep07:10
anders_ells: yes, no problem07:10
Brunellusawesome.  apt-get time!07:10
omniscientcan i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?07:10
Quinn_StormMMMond: consider apache2 a new product, apache1.3 is the more stable right now07:10
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ellsanders_ did you say dvdbackup? not dvdrip07:10
crimsunomniscient: for your atapi cd/dvd-rom? no. It's done at boot-time.07:10
MMMondQuinn_Storm: Now there's a statement that talks to me . . . thank you, will do!07:11
anders_ells: yes dvdbackup07:11
omniscientok. well i must just not have it then, do i have to compile it into the kernel? or should the module already be installed?07:11
Quinn_StormMMMond: apache2 is like a development branch while 1.x is the stable branch07:11
arekMMMond: in fact for php apache 1.3 is better07:11
ellsanders_ is this a program07:11
anders_ells: yes, apt-get install dvdbackup07:12
MMMondarek: Eh? o.0 Sounds odd, for at least php5, I would imagine . . . however, I know little of this . . . if you say so, I suppose you must be right07:12
ellsanders_ cool, doing it now07:12
arekMMMond: some php modules will not be safe with apache207:12
Quinn_StormMMMond: its that apache2 is almost a totally new project, its based on apache code but a lot of the core is rewritten07:13
arekyou must understand that apache2 was rewritten to better work under windows07:13
devmnkythx for your help07:13
|Gunther|is 4.10 the latest version?07:14
crimsun5.04 will be out in April07:14
|Gunther|is there mp3 capability here>07:14
|Gunther|I mean on the disc07:14
|Gunther|maybe there a ubuntufaq.org i'll look into that instead nvm ty anyway07:15
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MMMondQuinn_Storm: Makes sense . . . but my logic had merely lanced into the concept that the modern stuff will meet and go out to other modern stuff . . . apache2 to php5; apache1.4 to php5, but as you seem to be saying.. it isn't . . . I don't know.. just a bit strange07:16
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mellinuxHey guys, how on earth do I update Firefox to v1.0?07:16
zenrox|Gunther|, www.ubuntuguide.org07:16
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DarthFrog|Gunther|: Search that URL for restricted formats.07:17
omniscientcan someone help me with enabling this scsi emulation? tried reading some webpages but they seem to be all very old07:17
|Gunther|ty zenrox07:17
LinuxJonesnight all :)07:18
|Gunther|I have a question07:18
|Gunther|when i install mplayer, well see I already downloaded the codecs in .rpm format, could I just use the ones out of that?07:19
zenrox|Gunther|, read the adding repostories on that page07:20
zenroxand read dont use rpms07:20
DarthFrog|Gunther|: You could try.  Use "alien" to convert the rpm to a deb, first.07:20
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MMMondarek: Would you  happen to know? if having apache2 installed at the same time as having apache1.3 . . . cause any conflictions? The guy who was helping me, JDahl . . . said he had both installed, and had them working correctly07:20
|Gunther|I mean the contents of the rpm, there are codecs in them, could I just place them in the right directory?07:20
zenrox|Gunther|,  u cant red deps of the files you want07:20
HrdwrBoBMMMond: no they don't conflict .. as long as you run them on other ports etc07:21
areki use debian not ubuntu, on debian it work ok07:21
DarthFrogMMMond: No, there should be no conflicts.  And you can run them both at the same time, on different ports.07:21
MMMondBut he's a h4x0r, he must had gone upon extra measures to balance everything . . . I've only recently started using Linux, I'm used to clicking "yes" and "next," and synaptic has been the easiest things so far . . . "check" and "apple"07:21
Antioch`Whats Kubuntu?07:21
pastyhermitUbuntu with KDE :D07:21
Antioch`Coulda guessed, lol07:21
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|Gunther|I have Fedora, i used mplayer on that, i could open them rpm files that are codecs and just place them in the codecs folder for ubuntu right? its safe?07:22
Antioch`What deps do ppl use with Ubuntu?07:22
crimsunmakes more sense to enable the marillat repo and install w32codecs, |Gunther|07:22
crimsun|Gunther|: see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats07:22
MMMondDarthFrog: Different ports... will I have to put that manually? Or will synaptic do that for me? :x07:23
zenroxya its also how on the gudie one too |Gunther|07:23
DarthFrogMMMond: For what you're talking about, it's all done by hand.07:23
omniscientthis is so frustrating :(07:23
crimsunomniscient: what is?07:23
zenroxomniscient,  just rember its better than windows07:23
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Brunellusit works!07:23
Brunellusit's pretty brutally stripped-down, but it works.07:24
omniscienti try to, but windows burns dvds without be getting a headache07:24
IcedKiwianyone know where to get drivers for a winmodem?07:24
DarthFrogBrunellus: good stuff07:24
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IcedKiwiand how to install it?07:24
Antioch`Is there a release schedule anywhere?07:24
MMMondzenrox: but they can always go by ignorence.. since it is bliss, afterall . . . die happy :] 07:24
arekyou can have them ran on standard 80 port on  different using vhosts07:24
Brunellusnow all I have to do is work out how to tweak it.07:24
zenroxMMMond,  agree07:24
DarthFrogAntioch`:  Yes.   on www.ubuntu.com somewhere.07:24
omniscienti want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation07:24
MMMondDarthFrog: :( . . . I'll do it, I've come this far (although by clicking "yes" and "next") . . . but I wanna get to know php.. I'll do it!07:24
MMMondBut not today. Today is my day.07:25
crimsunAntioch`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule07:25
zenroxAntioch`,  www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki07:25
omniscientso im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache07:25
omniscientand it's frustrating >:|07:25
Antioch`crimsun, zenrox, DarthFrog thanks07:25
zenroxAntioch`,  we aim to please07:25
MMMondDiablo-D3: welcome backj07:26
omniscientzenrox, can you aim in this direction for a sec? please?07:26
MMMondJesus christ . . . I am something beyond a serf . . .07:26
Antioch`zenrox, Im looking into Ubuntu -- have used gentoo for some time, but Im growing tired of waiting for all the compiles07:26
MMMondCan't even deliberately make a typo ..  .07:26
ells can anyone walk me thru using dvdbackup07:26
ellsgot it, just dont know how to use it07:26
Diablo-D3I dont think I can get ubuntu to work on this smallbox.07:26
DarthFrogells: google for it.07:27
zenroxAntioch`,  that was my bigest prob with gentoo07:27
IcedKiwithe driver can work on FC3 or Ubuntu!07:27
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ellsDarthFrog, yeah, just hoping I might get lucky and someone in here would know how to us eit07:27
zenroxomniscient,  so whats going on07:27
crimsunDiablo-D3: you can use Woody netinstall and dist-upgrade over07:27
Antioch`zenrox, what apt repositories do you use?07:27
Diablo-D3crimsun: yup, I could07:28
zenroxAntioch`,  marlette07:28
zenroxand the universe07:28
Diablo-D3crimsun: Im just trying to get a sane linux onto the box07:28
Diablo-D3crimsun: doesnt have to be ubuntu07:28
crimsunDiablo-D3: tried netboot? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/view?searchterm=netboot07:28
omniscienti want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation07:28
omniscientso im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache07:28
omniscientand it's frustrating >:|07:28
Diablo-D3crimsun: no network card07:28
Diablo-D3crimsun: which pisses me off07:28
zenroxomniscient,  i dont know but crimsun  might07:29
camany news about ati+composite?07:29
Diablo-D3I'd swipe the network card from my laptop... except... my laptop has no network card. Its onboard.07:29
IcedKiwihow many of you guys are male?07:29
arekomniscient: no need for emulation07:29
zenroxas i dont have a dvd burnner07:29
DarthFrogomniscient: What device node is your burner?07:29
SeeleyUSMCYay, I can use my flash card now :)07:29
Diablo-D3crimsun: it should not be this hard to install linux.07:29
ellsSeeleyUSMC, where ya from07:29
omniscientarek: well, k3b doesnt detect it, neither does xcdroast07:30
HrdwrBoBomniscient: you don't want SCSI emulation07:30
IcedKiwiinstalling linux is easy- why do people complain?07:30
Diablo-D3crimsun: I cant even get at the hd without opening it up. I could put the hd in my laptop, and then install linux, but noooOOOOooo.07:30
omniscienti am able to view dvds with it, i just cant burn them07:30
ellsSeeleyUSMC, I have a partner who is Harvey Seeley out in Cali07:30
IcedKiwiand im not exactly a seasoned linux user, either07:30
SeeleyUSMCells: Born next to Seattle, WA live in 29 Palms, CA <-- Marine Corps Base07:30
Diablo-D3omniscient: if you run 2.6, you dont want scsi emulation07:30
|Gunther|I had a tough time installing Ubuntu,07:30
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Diablo-D3omniscient: if you run 2.4, upgrade to 2.607:30
ellsSeeleyUSMC, my partner is a retired army MSG07:30
omniscienti run 2.607:30
omniscientand it doesnt work07:31
|Gunther|I had to install it 5 times in 2 and a half hours07:31
IcedKiwithe only thing i had any sort of problem with was partitioning07:31
omniscientwell maybe it does, but i cant figure out why not07:31
ellsSeeleyUSMC, he is in San Diego07:31
IcedKiwiit took me half an hour to figure out07:31
IcedKiwibut that was it07:31
Diablo-D3for the record, I use an ide burner in debian sid with 2.6, and k3b works fine for me07:31
Ely__I use gnomebaker07:31
Ely__good stuff07:31
omniscientyeah ive used this burner in debian before, to burn cds, but never used it to burn a dvd07:31
Diablo-D3k3b > *07:31
omniscientbut now k3b just says i have no devices07:32
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omniscientand its right here i can see and touch it, it's there.. believe me07:32
Diablo-D3omniscient: do you have the dvd-cdrecord-whateveritis package installed?07:32
|Gunther|thing I HATED about Ubuntu installer was that it always tryed to installed its boot record to hda1, which was NOT where it was needed, so i eventually unhooked all my drives and installed it like that07:32
Ely__I disagree with k3b > *07:32
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pussfelleri keep getting can't find kubuntu-desktop07:32
Diablo-D3|Gunther|: hah07:32
Ely__gnomebaker at version .3 has a more consistent interface than k3b07:32
omniscientDiablo-D3, i dont have anything in my db only cdrecord and cdrecord-doc07:32
Diablo-D3Ely__: too bad. k3b > *.07:32
Diablo-D3omniscient: lemme go look07:33
omniscientok thanks07:33
IcedKiwiim looking forward to the new (stable) version coming out07:33
|Gunther|5 full installs later I finally overcame it. then went on to loose my password, now I am going to install ubuntu again07:33
IcedKiwihow many weeks to go?07:33
virtuald|Gunther|: you don't have to reinstall07:33
MMMondMy keyboard (laptop..) does have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions?07:34
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SeeleyUSMCDid someone have the link for ubuntu and madwifi?07:34
|Gunther|k, please tell me how to get a one way encrypted password back and i'll be greatful there07:34
SeeleyUSMCI lost it07:34
IcedKiwiim aiming to have a job by then, so i can get some new hardware, that works under linux07:34
Diablo-D3omniscient: Im thinking dvd+rw-tools07:34
virtuald|Gunther|: you don't, you change it07:34
|Gunther|virtuald: I'm listening...07:34
MMMondMy keyboard (laptop..) doesn't have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions? <--07:34
Diablo-D3omniscient: which may or may not be in ubuntu07:34
virtuald|Gunther|: boot to single user mode07:34
virtualdand do passwd user07:35
omniscientdvd+rw-tools is already the newest version.07:35
omniscient0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.07:35
|Gunther|how? I am at the login screen and then i see where I should type in username and passwrd.07:35
mdzSeeleyUSMC: what link?  madwifi is part of Ubuntu and installed by default07:35
|Gunther|what is singe user mode?07:35
Diablo-D3omniscient: meh =/07:35
Diablo-D3omniscient: try running k3b as root07:35
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omniscienti did that too07:35
omniscient1st thing i did07:35
omniscientno luck07:35
Diablo-D3omniscient: thats usually the cat...a... feh.07:35
DarthFrogmdz: Installed by default?  It's in linux-restricted-modules.07:36
mdzDarthFrog: correct07:36
SeeleyUSMCmdz: I think I have to install it07:36
Diablo-D3omniscient: did you try kicking it really hard?07:36
virtuald|Gunther|: when you get to grub, press escape or something to get to the menu, and chose recovery mode07:36
|Gunther|where dio I find Single user mode?07:36
omniscientdan@shit:/var/cache/apt $ ls -l /dev/hdc07:36
omniscientbrw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-03-20 15:43 /dev/hdc07:36
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: It's ath_pci.07:36
|Gunther|kk tyvm07:36
omniscientis that the correct permissions Diablo-D3 ?07:36
omniscientfor a dvd burner?07:36
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Diablo-D3omniscient: those permissions dont even matter if you're root.07:36
mdzath_pci is loaded automatically when a supported device is detected07:36
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: ath_pci is madwifi?07:37
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: yes.07:37
Diablo-D3omniscient: root is... uh... omniscient. Heh.07:37
|Gunther|so go into recovery mode, and type this exactlly?"passwd user"07:37
omniscientme :D07:37
Diablo-D3I officially hate the 4.10 install cds, btw07:38
DarthFrogomniscient: I'm glad to hear that.  What's making you happy?07:38
mdzDiablo-D3: ?07:38
omniscientjust random emoticon07:38
virtuald|Gunther|: yes. if after the boot it asks for root password, reboot again and in the menu press e to edit the kernel line, and add init=/bin/bash at the end07:38
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Diablo-D3mdz: cant get them to work on a box with only 32 megs of memory07:39
mdzDiablo-D3: and so you _hate_ it?07:39
DarthFrogmdz: SeeleyUSMC has an Atheros based mini-PCI card.  Ath_pci loads fine, but he doesn't get an ath0 network interface.07:39
Diablo-D3mdz: it goes into low memory mode and then just craps out07:39
AkiraCan anyone help me with a non linux computer problem...07:39
Diablo-D3mdz: Yes. Very much so.07:39
mdzthat seems a bit extreme07:39
mdzDarthFrog: that's odd; are you sure ath0 isn't there?07:40
Diablo-D3mdz: well, I have to go track down another distro I dont hate.07:40
razermanhas anyone got wine to run ona amd64 ? by building from source ?07:40
SeeleyUSMCmdz: I'll type up whatever you want me to show you07:40
Diablo-D3razerman: er, that probably doesnt work07:40
SeeleyUSMCifconfig, iwconfig, whatever07:40
Diablo-D3razerman: you probably cant find amd64 binaries for your windows programs anyhoew07:40
IcedKiwiim back07:41
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DarthFrogmdz: Very odd. If he does "ifconfig ath0 up" he gets "no such interface".07:41
|Gunther|k ty virtual d07:41
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mdzDarthFrog: check dmesg07:41
Diablo-D3So, Hrm.07:41
Diablo-D3Hrm Hrm Hrm.07:41
Akiraath? what kind of connection is that?07:42
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Diablo-D3this works,doesnt it?07:42
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razermanDiablo-D3: i get a strange error when compiling the source. i cant find a fix on google though07:42
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: can you post the output of the dmesg command to pastbin.com?07:42
Diablo-D3razerman: then Dont Do That (tm)07:42
Diablo-D3razerman: or just file a bug on the wine bug tracker07:42
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: now that I have my USB working, yes07:43
DarthFrogmdz: he said he saw nothing relevant in dmesg but I've not looked at his output.07:43
|Gunther|will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install? just a question...07:43
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ellsthis might be a funny question, I know that my dvd player is under media/cdrom0, but is that what I will use to use dvdbackup07:43
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: dmesg > out.txt  will capture the output to a file called out.txt.07:43
ellsI tried to use dvdbackup -M -i/dev/dvd -o/my/dvd/backup/dir/07:44
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: k07:44
mdzDarthFrog: you said ath_pci loads fine...you mean that it automatically loads, or he loads it manually?07:44
Akirai think you use the dev/hdb or whatever07:44
Diablo-D3So, guys07:44
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Diablo-D3that url I pasted07:44
Diablo-D3does that method work?07:44
DarthFrogmdz: manually and in /etc/modules.07:44
Akira/dev/hdb or whatever your cdrom is07:44
Ely__ells, check your /etc/fstab for what device name is used to mount07:44
Diablo-D3because I bet I can get the woody iso to work07:44
mdzDarthFrog: if it isn't loaded automatically, it doesn't support his card; there should never be a need to load it manually07:44
ellsEly_ cool man07:44
DarthFrogmdz: I'm coming to the opinion that he has an unsupported chipset.07:45
mdzDarthFrog: if it isn't supported by ath_pci, it's unlikely that it's an Atheros chipset at all07:45
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: What chipset is it?07:45
mdzSeeleyUSMC: what is the exact make and model of the card?07:46
|Gunther|will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install?07:46
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: You can use the "lspci -v | less" command to find out.07:46
Ely__I don't think we are 100% if earth will survive to see tomorrow07:46
Ely__is there anything that's 100%? :)07:46
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virtuald|Gunther|: you would have to try to know07:47
|Gunther|idk, with u guys's philosophical questions...07:47
virtualdbut why not get debs?07:47
mdz|Gunther|: I wouldn't recommend it; use the mplayer which is packaged for Ubuntu instead07:47
YggGood morning, everyone.07:47
|Gunther|I am dial upper as that I will take a long time in doing this07:47
YggHave a problem with Ubunutu and wireless, if anyone here can help.07:47
Akirapower to the dialupers07:47
|Gunther|for the ubuntu distro? there is a mplayer package? or are you talking about a regular .deb file mdz07:48
mdz|Gunther|: yes, yes and yes07:48
SeeleyUSMChttp://www.pastebin.com/260499 <-- dmesg07:49
mdzath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL status 1307:49
mdzthat's the relevant bit07:49
YggAnyone ran into a problem where Ubuntu loses WiFi connection after a few hours of regular work? ifconfig and iwlist show everything in order - AP seems to be associated, key is set, everything is fine - but nothing gets through. All pings get a 'destination unreachable'.07:50
mdzSeeleyUSMC:  a web search for that message should find you all sorts of answers07:50
ellsEly_ever use dvdbackup07:50
Amaranthanyone on hoary wanna test the latest version of my menu editor? :)07:50
MMMondI'm not on Hoary, sorry.07:51
MMMondHoary and sorry rymes . . . that's no good..07:51
|Gunther|is it possible to have a working virus using wine without specifically running it... I mean wine comes with a virtual registy and everything, will a windows virus hurt anything that is linux?07:52
bob2|Gunther|: don't run random crap from people and you'll be fine07:52
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: did you want the lspci as well?07:52
Akirai saw an article on running viruses in windows07:53
Akiraon slashdot07:53
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC:  Only for specific identification of your chipset.07:53
MMMond|Gunther|: mere question is interesting.. I'd be interested in finding out the answer - now, are you asking merely out of curiosity yourself or have you actually to come to this?07:53
|Gunther|its curiosity07:53
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|Gunther|just thought it up now07:54
Diablo-D3expert mode on the installer cd might work right07:54
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DarthFrogHmm, HAL level 13 error might mean your card isn't supported. :-(07:54
Diablo-D3or not07:55
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: You have an Atheros AR5212 chip.07:55
ellsanyone ever use dvdbackup07:55
slickanyone have any experience installing azureus under kde desktop on ubuntu07:56
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: why does it say only root can use it?07:56
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Why does what say that?07:56
slicki have installed the gtk version and jre no probs, it loads but there is no splash and the program just doesnt start. Im confused because there are no errors or anything like that, it seems to start up fine07:56
SeeleyUSMC    Capabilities: <available only to root>07:57
Diablo-D3it says you can only see caps as root07:57
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: You'll have give more info.  What capabilities?07:59
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: you can either continue to use your USB wireless NIC or go the ndiswrapper route.07:59
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: its says that for the atheros08:00
Akiraslick : try loading from the terminal?08:00
slickyes i have done08:00
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I don't have a usb wireless08:00
SeeleyUSMCi have a usb wireless flash stick08:00
SeeleyUSMCthats how i can paste08:00
slickmike@columbo:~$ /apps/azureus/azureus08:00
slickStarting Azureus...08:00
slickJava exec found in PATH. Verifying...08:00
slickSuitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02] 08:00
slickConfiguring environment...08:00
slickLoading Azureus:08:00
slickjava -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/apps/azureus/Azureus2.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-gtk.jar:/apps/azureus/swt.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-mozilla.jar" -Djava.library.path="/apps/azureus" -Dazureus.install.path="/apps/azureus" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''08:00
Diablo-D3hahah wtf08:01
slickit starts fine08:01
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Ah.  Well, it's ndiswrapper for you. :-)08:01
Akiraugh, why is there so many updaes08:01
Diablo-D3its funny seeing a download go 40k/sec on dialup08:01
slickbut just doesnt load the program, no splash or anything:/08:01
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper08:01
slickim using kubuntu, maybe it hasnt installed something the gui needs?08:02
jnci have a question about Hoary08:02
Akirawow 40 k08:02
Akirawhat must be lying08:02
jnci'm using SATA optical dvd burner drive, with Hoary Hedgehog amd64 preview08:02
walskiis there a release date for full blown horay yeat?08:02
jncit worked to burn an ISO once, and then?  bus error08:03
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jncso i cannot use it again without reboot08:03
jncwould any developer be interested in working with me to resolve?08:03
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walskijnc, have u logged a bug first?08:04
Tobias4847does anybody have some experience with booting from a USB Pendrive?08:04
jncwalski: i'm not sure if i should!08:05
jncit sounds like a kernel issue08:05
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: There is one other thing we could try.  It would be quite involved, doing something called a CVS checkout, compiling madwifi with the absolute up-to-the-minute drivers (which is what CVS should be), then installing them.08:05
jnci.e. SATA ATAPI is *very* new08:05
walskijnc, nods08:05
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I'm down08:06
Diablo-D3sata cdrom drives? wtf?08:06
Diablo-D3there is such a thing?08:06
jnchey pat08:06
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: OK, no problem.  Have fun. :-)08:06
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I heard that ndsiwrapper sucked from some people08:06
jnci've got SATA hard disk 80gb, and plextor 712SA08:06
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I mean I'm down with that idea as in okay :)08:06
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Not having wireless networking sucks more, doesn't it? :-)08:06
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: damn straight08:06
jncno troubles with the hard disk and ubuntu, that portion works well!08:07
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Diablo-D3it weighs like 80 pounds08:07
Diablo-D3if this is supposed to be called a laptop... Im going to set the hostname as "nutcracker"08:07
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: OK, go to madwifi.sourceforge.net and follow the instructions for CVS retrieval.08:08
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ellstritium: mike what is up man08:09
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: I got the .tar.bZ2 file for the current one earlier today08:09
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC:  "tar jxvf (filename.tar.bz2" will extract it.  Be in a working directory first.08:09
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: k08:10
mantasi upgraded kernel to 2.6.10-5-686, and when i'm starting each instance of terminal emulator i get this:08:10
mantasCouldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console08:10
mantasget_console_fd: Invalid argument08:10
tritiumhey ells08:10
SeeleyUSMCmy fiance just called.  She was at some fundraiser with Microsoft (her brother works there) and she met Edgar Martinez08:11
ellstritium: I got good news, I got bad news08:11
SeeleyUSMCDiablo-D3: Mariners baseball08:11
Diablo-D3I dont watch baseball08:11
ellstritium: I crashed my desktop, so I am reinstalling, but without windows on it08:12
SeeleyUSMCNeither do I , I just know who he is lol08:12
Diablo-D3SeeleyUSMC: /whois me08:12
tritiumells, how did you do that?08:12
Diablo-D3SeeleyUSMC: then visit http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amicrosoft.com+%22Patrick+McFarland%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial08:12
ellstritium: not quite sure. I was playing around with some installs08:12
tritiumells, installs?08:12
ellstritium: yeah, dvdbackup08:13
ellstritium: and  few others08:13
ellstritium: lucky me08:13
ellstritium: hey do you have any experience with dvd backup08:13
tritiumells, no, I don't have a dvd burner08:13
ellstritium: i am backing up some files, just dont know how long it takes08:14
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ellstritium: what ya do today08:14
ellstritium: I finished up a test today08:14
ellstritium: I can do it, but which file do I need to clear out for ssh for my "new desktop"08:15
tritiumells, ~/.ssh/known_hosts08:16
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: I'm going to bed.  Let's pick it up again tomorrow.08:20
Madeye is there anyway to wget all .tar.gz files in www.blah.com/dir/ ?08:21
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: sure thing08:21
DarthFrogMadeye: wget -r08:21
DarthFrogOr maybe it's wget -R.   "man wget"08:21
mantascan someone explain why i get warning when starting every xterm08:21
mantasCouldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console08:21
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psoulocybehi guys08:22
psoulocybeanyone know the kubuntu?08:22
quaruptMy client wont let me msg08:22
psoulocybei'm trying to set my ip address to static08:22
psoulocybeand i can't find it in kcontrol08:22
psoulocybewhere do they have it now?08:22
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: If you decide to have a go at it yourself, be sure to uninstall (use synaptic) the linux-restricted-modules package you installed earlier.08:22
quaruptMy client wont let me msg08:23
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SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: will do08:27
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog: what time will you be on tomorrow? its 11:27pm here08:27
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|Gunther|I am trying to mount a partition that is fat 32, i tried telling the mount command it was vfs, then I was told that there is no vfs support... what is going on?? I D K what to do here guys08:31
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|Gunther|something about not being built into the kernel08:32
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sandwitchfat 32 is vfat08:32
|Gunther|yes I know that08:32
sandwitchso mount /dev/whatever -t vfat /mount/point08:32
|Gunther|Ubuntu lacks support for the filesystem i noticed how do I get support for it is a question08:33
sandwitchmodprobe vfat08:33
|Gunther|tried that...08:33
sandwitchso there is no vfat strange ..... (im not an ubunu user) should be08:34
|Gunther|I know...08:34
|Gunther|maybe there is a deb package for it, but I keep coming up with something that has to do with gnome08:35
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sandwitchnah should be in the kernel08:36
tritiumthere is a vfat module08:37
|Gunther|it wont work for me in the 4.10 release if there is08:37
sandwitch|Gunther|, look in /lib/modules/kernelname/kernel/fs/ there should be an vfat08:38
sandwitchare you root when you modprobe ?08:38
|Gunther|I tried it explicitly stated that the kernel is not familiar with vfat08:38
|Gunther|I know it is fat32...?08:38
tritiummodinfo vfat returns nothing?08:38
tritiumwhich kernel?08:38
|Gunther|whatever the original 4.10 runs08:39
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|Gunther|I hav to reboot into that system to do any changes08:39
tritiumcan you please run "uname -r"?08:39
tritiumoh, I see08:39
|Gunther|I need a modem driver to get online with that 208:39
|Gunther|I will check if there is a vfat file there sanwitch08:42
|Gunther|if there is it must mean I have the vfs compatibility okay08:42
sabmocomg, i need sleep08:43
sandwitchyep and dont forget to `sudo modprobe`08:43
|Gunther|k thanks08:44
sabmocyep, and dont forsleep to sleep `sleepo sleeprobe`08:44
sandwitchfirst <insert clean teeth> :P08:45
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Don't know. Check the channel, see if I'm active.08:46
|Gunther|is ubuntu otherwise known as turbolinux>08:49
bob2|Gunther|: um, no08:50
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spaceyand vfat works08:50
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spaceyone of the few things that i'm am sure of atm08:51
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|Gunther|k, I doubt that08:52
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spaceysay what you want:D08:54
NighTHi'm trying to do a sw raid1 in ubuntu... and i want that it boot in raid too08:55
NighTHim using grub08:55
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NighTHim following some documentation http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html08:56
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NighTHbut when i reboot to boot in the second drive.. it dont work08:56
NighTHsomebody tried it before?08:58
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linux_galorehmm not burning Kubuntu live CD09:11
Zanzgot a question on kernel sources09:11
Zanzfor warty09:11
linux_galoredecided to paint the kitchen while waiting for the kubuntu download heh heh09:11
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Zanzwhere do i get them?09:12
pablo928linux_galore: must have dial-up?09:12
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waseemhey how do i stop a command from executing?09:13
linux_galorepablo928: no I have 1.5mb/s download the server was only giving me 53k/s09:13
Zanzcontrol c i think09:13
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waseemzanz: thanks that worked09:13
waseemhow do i find a file named bittorrent?09:13
waseemfind ~/bittorrent doesnt seem to be working09:13
HrdwrBoBfind -name bittorrent09:13
Zanziisn't there a gui search?09:13
pablo928linux_galore:I understand all too well!09:13
HrdwrBoBor find|grep bittorrent09:14
sabmocmaxchee ping? re:CanadianLoCo09:14
linux_galorepablo928:  3hours to download so i said ok maight just paint the kitchen09:14
waseemwaseem@waseem:~$ find -name bittorrent09:14
waseemwaseem@waseem:~$ find|grep bittorrent09:14
pablo928linux_galore: Are you down-loading warty or hoary?09:14
waseemthe problem is it doesnt do anything09:14
waseemit just goes to the next command line09:14
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Zanzare you looking for a torrent file for a download?09:15
Zanzthen it's (something).torrent09:15
Ely__anyone here uses ATI with hardware acceleration with hoarty?09:15
Zanzshould be09:15
sabmocnight folks09:15
linux_galorels *.torr09:15
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waseemzanz: i havent downloaded the file yet, i want to open up bittorrent to do that09:16
linux_galorewaseem:   ls  *.torr09:16
Zanzyeah, the torrent is will end in .torrent, click on that it'll open up bittorrent to start downloading the big file09:16
waseemlinux_galore: what should my directory be09:16
linux_galorewaseem: dont know.....you downloaded the file not me09:16
waseemlinux_galore: i didnt download any file09:17
Zanzis there a way to search all directories?09:17
waseemim trying to open up bittorrent09:17
linux_galorewaseem: check the program that downloaded the file should show you were it put it09:17
Zanzoh, you odn't open up bittorrent first, you download a .torrent file first09:17
linux_galorewaseem: well then what are you looking for09:17
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waseemoh ok09:17
Zanzit's sort of a guide file for the bigger download09:17
waseemwhere is a good site with .torrent files?09:17
linux_galorewaseem:  usually you just click on the torrent link on the web page and the browser powers up your default torrent app09:18
Zanzi know suprnova got shut down09:18
linux_galorewasabi:   use google09:18
linux_galorewasabi:  www.bitreactor.com  is still up09:19
waseemhaha ok thanks09:19
waseemive actually never tried wasabi in my life09:19
linux_galorewaseem: there are web sites dedicated to set media formats so i usually just google for  what I want09:19
waseemwell any site could have torrents09:20
waseemi just thought maybe some of you guys would know a good site with torrents of quality09:20
dizzieMorning all :)09:21
linux_galoreaaaaaaaaaargh its the Microsft advert.......... we see Fiona......etc09:21
Zanzwere not all software pirates09:21
linux_galore.........must  find remote..........must find remote before I go mad09:22
pablo928linux_galore: thought you were painting?09:22
linux_galoreno download is finnished09:22
linux_galorealso Ive finnshed painting the kitchen09:23
pablo928linux_galore; how long did it take you?09:23
linux_galore3 hours09:23
pablo928linux_galore: You didn't down-load as a .torrent file?09:24
linux_galore pablo928no direct of the server09:24
pablo928linux_galore: Are you loading it to another box? Or the one you're using now?09:25
linux_galoreslashdot nicely posted a link to the server I was on when I was 10% into the download it went from 180k to 56k in 20 min lol09:26
linux_galorepablo928: the on Im on09:26
pablo928linux_galore: Thank slashdot.09:26
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pablo928linux_galore: You on warty now?09:27
linux_galorethere I was going .....ooh cool 40 min and Im finnished.........than I saw the rss slashdot post on kubuntu and kde 3.4 and watched the bandwidht go down09:27
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linux_galorepablo928: no right now Im on CCuX09:28
linux_galoregot Ubuntu on my iBook09:28
linux_galoreis using Gaim v1.2 http://gaim.sf.net on CCux Linux 2.6.11smp09:29
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Daehliei am wondering what the default setting of the root password is in ubuntu, there was no part in the install for the root password09:30
linux_galorewant to watch an iBook go from slow/hanging heap of crap to ...zooooooooooooooom  swap to Linux09:30
pablo928linux_galore: 'cause I up-graded to hoary today and now I can't find my synaptic manager, Oh well, still have apt-get.09:30
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linux_galorepablo928: might not be there09:30
linux_galorepablo928:  apt-get install synaptic09:31
waseemok i have a .torrent downloaded09:31
waseemdo i just double click on it now?09:31
pablo928linux_galore: Maybe not. Hey, I have a P-2 300 MHz running warty!09:31
onkarshindeDaehlie: do you mean, "Why there is no default root account?"09:31
linux_galorewaseem: yes09:31
Daehlieonkarshinde: yes, i guess that is what I am asking09:32
waseemlinux_galore: the problem is it never connects to any of my peers09:32
linux_galorewaseem: aaah bet you have the bittorent port closed on the firewall09:32
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Daehlieonkarshinde: can I just create a root account from my user account09:33
waseemok well ill go check that up09:33
waseemthanks linux_galore09:33
onkarshindeThe policy is like this way. The first user you create (while installation) has root powers (only through sudo command). You may want to open Root Terminal from System Tools for carrying out actions that require root previliges.09:33
eyequeueDaehlie:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo09:33
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eyequeueDaehlie:  root is niot advised, see the url09:34
linux_galoreDaehlie: for a desktop root accounts open a whole single point security problem09:34
linux_galorein fact some distro's dont even have sudo or any reference to root09:35
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ghitadoese anyone got problems with the icon themes?09:38
stuNNedghita: which ones?09:39
onkarshindeHas anyone notices that there is no way to configure nautilus to open folder in same window. I tried editing configuration using gconf. It didn't work.09:41
mpathyapropos, who knows some good ones, who are really complete?09:41
jdubonkarshinde: hold shift when opening a folder09:43
onkarshindejdub: that is okay. But there should be permanent configuration. It used to be there in FC109:44
jdubno, that's a different thing; the browser mode09:45
jdubyou can switch to the browser mode permanently09:45
onkarshindejdub: how do I do that?09:46
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jdubclick on the "always open in browser windows" setting09:47
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onkarshindejdub: and where is that setting?09:48
jdubin the file management dialogue dude09:49
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onkarshindejdub: thanks very much09:50
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=== wland hi all
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Imrahilusing the livecd. went into hibernate mode. asking for password for ubuntu. shouldn't it just be ubuntu?09:52
pepsiwhat happens if you just hit enter?09:53
Imrahilsays denied09:53
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marshall_is there any real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?  Isn't kde just a package for ubuntu?09:54
onkarshindemarshall_: No ubuntu just contains GNOME09:55
Agrajagonkarshinde: no it doesn't09:55
deFryskkubuntu = -gnome ,. +kde09:55
AgrajagKDE is in universe.09:55
onkarshindeAgrajag: I am talking about default packages that get installed by the cd.09:56
cefat the base, it's no different.. just kde instead of gnome.. but remember that the base itself isn't that big09:56
sn0wmanif i install kubuntu, will kdm replace gdm?09:56
bob2KDE is in supported in hoary09:56
bob2sn0wman: kubuntu uses kdm by default09:56
deFrysksn0wman, you get to choose when kdm is being installed09:56
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djpmorning has broken...09:57
deFryskbut shutdownfuncions work better with kdm when using kde09:57
pablo928En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?\09:57
djpany one use dar here?09:57
ghitadoese anyone got problems with the icon themes d3a?09:58
pablo928En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?09:58
bob2pablo928: #ubuntu-es09:58
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pablo928bob2:I'm trying to IM and doesn't seem to be working.09:59
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bob2ok, but this is an english language channel10:00
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pablo928bob2:I know, but SIS swas trying to go to SISSSSSSMS.10:01
djphave just performed a complete system backup using dar. it appears to have worked, although nine files have not been backed up due to permission being denied. all nine files are located in the same directory, /sys/bus/pci/drivers. anyone got any ideas?10:01
bob2I don't know what that means10:01
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Beunohey, Im having a dependencies problem when installing kubuntu10:04
Beunocan anyone give me a hand=10:04
Daehliei am wondering how to install gtk themes in ubuntu10:04
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pablo928Beuno: You can;t get them through apt_get?10:06
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Beunopablo: no, Im having some sort of dependencies problem10:06
Beunowith python packages10:07
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memcmemegreetings friends10:08
pablo928Beuno:Do you have gnome installed or is this a fresh install?10:08
BeunoI already have gnome installed10:08
pablo928Beuno:You say you have dependency problems. What are you getting?10:09
memcmemeGnome is a swell WM10:09
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BeunoThe following packages have unmet dependencies:10:10
Beuno  kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed10:10
Beuno                   Depends: python-imaging-sane but it is not going to be instal                                led10:10
Beuno                   Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed10:10
Beuno                   Depends: python-pyorbit but it is not going to be installed10:10
memcmeme#flood is your friend Beuno :)10:11
memcmemeno problem10:11
BeunoIll be good10:11
memcmemeits really quite fine, I do it all the time10:11
neomIn Canada we have what is known as family and children services, it's a government program that proves counseling and foster homes and whatnot to kids who have issues at home. It's free. Anyone know the American equivalent?10:11
pablo928Beuno:When I installed KDE I used the synaptic package manager, no dependency problems.10:12
Beunoyou had warty10:12
memcmemeneom  yeah, its called the county department of health and human services10:12
Beunoor hoarty?10:12
memcmemeif you live in a poor state10:12
memcmemeyour screwed10:12
memcmemeif you live in a rich state10:12
memcmemeits great10:12
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Beunome too10:13
Beunothats wierd10:13
BeunoI installed ubuntu today10:14
Beunotraded it in for fedora10:14
Beunoand Im loving it10:14
hippyhuffinpaintanyone get firefox woking on kubuntu 5.04?10:14
hippyhuffinpainthow did you do it10:14
memcmemeapt-get install firefox10:14
memcmemeit needs updating10:14
hippyhuffinpaintokay i did that10:14
pablo928Beuno:Ubuntu Is my first attempt at Linux.10:14
BeunoIve been all over the place10:14
memcmemehmmm.... then i don't know what is wrong10:15
onkarshindeBeuno: Me too. Recently shifted from FC1 to Ubuntu10:15
hippyhuffinpaintafter i attempted installing 1.0.210:15
BeunoIve had a couple of debian before10:15
memcmemepablo928 you can to the right place :)10:15
Beunoits really the best distro10:15
memcmemealthough if you have Broadband I would reccomend10:15
Beunojust a pain in the ass for some things10:15
pablo928Beuno:I never owned a computer until about a year ago>10:15
Beunowhich apperently got "fixed" with ubuntu10:15
onkarshindeBeuno: Specifically fro GNOME lovers10:15
hippyhuffinpaintmozilla-firefox starts to load a browser then it closes10:16
Beunowell, they got kubuntu out there, si10:16
memcmemei reccomend trying both to be honest, try ubuntu and kubuntu10:16
memcmemeI have both on this machine10:16
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Beunothats what Im aiming at10:16
BeunoIm a KDE lover myself10:16
memcmemejust do apt-get install kubuntu desktop from your normal ubuntu intallan10:16
hippyhuffinpainti just started using kubuntu today10:16
memcmemeand you will have KDE desktop tricked out for ubuntu10:16
memcmemeit kicks ass10:16
hippyhuffinpaintfrom mandrake 10.110:16
BeunoI got kde 3.2 on it10:16
Beunojust want 3.4 now10:17
hippyhuffinpaintthats what i had on mandrake10:17
onkarshindehippyhuffinpaint: How is your experience with kubnutu and KDE 3.4?10:17
hippyhuffinpainti got 3.410:17
hippyhuffinpaintits been so far so good, well except for not getting mozila-firefox working10:18
Beunogot it working10:18
Beunoapt is downloading!!!10:18
onkarshindeI would like to recommend Ubuntu to my friend. But he is KDE lover. Any plus/minus for KUbuntu?10:18
hippyhuffinpainti had it working10:18
pepsimemcmeme, will it break gnome to install it?10:18
hippyhuffinpaintthe 1.0.210:18
hippyhuffinpaintbut that dont work now10:18
memcmemenot at all10:18
pepsiwhich one will be default?10:18
pepsiand how would i pick?10:18
memcmemejust make sure you leave choose GDM when you get asked between GDM and KDM10:18
memcmemeinitially it will still default to Gnome10:19
memcmemebut you can tell it which on to default to10:19
memcmemefor example I have mine default to KDE10:19
memcmemebut GDM is a LOT better than KDM10:19
_Demian_how do I install a rpm package10:19
memcmemeI don't know that you can10:19
memcmemejust get the tarball version of it10:19
memcmemeor check your apt repositories10:19
memcmemego into synaptic10:20
deFryskmemcmeme, kdm works better with kde10:20
memcmemethen make sure you have universe and multiverse selected10:20
onkarshinde_Demian_: I don't think you can install rpm on a Debain based distro10:20
Beunorpm is on redhat10:20
Beunowe got .deb's here10:20
deFryskmemcmeme, gdm better with gnome10:20
pepsi_Demian_, ive never used it, but man alien10:20
Beunoor even better, apt-get!10:20
memcmemedeFrysk yes, but if you like being able to log into the WM as root GDM makes the process of configuring both of them more painless10:20
memcmemeand I have found that they both work quite well10:20
memcmemeits a matter of preference :)10:20
hippyhuffinpaintanyone know what i could do to make a program quit crashing10:21
pepsidont run it10:21
memcmemeits always worth checking for a later version10:21
hippyhuffinpaintwhat if i installed a later version then installed the older version?10:22
memcmemeI don't know in that case10:22
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memcmemeI am relatively new to this all myself10:22
Beunoanyone had kde 3.2 installed10:23
Beunoand installed kubuntu?10:23
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Beunocause Im doing that as we speak10:23
Beunojust curious on what will happen10:23
hippyhuffinpainti just did that10:23
hippyhuffinpaintmandrake 10.1 to kubuntu 5.0410:24
walskiin k3b now in hoary - how to you enable k3b mp3 support10:24
Beunoit updates the 3.2 version without any problems?10:24
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hippyhuffinpainti dunno for sure i get errors10:24
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memcmemethe error message should tell you what the missing component is10:24
Beunowalski:  I use xmms10:24
hippyhuffinpaintclosing outta apps i get bombed with crashes10:24
memcmemeor go into synaptic and type k3b10:24
memcmemespecify description10:24
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memcmemeand you will get all the packages associated with it10:25
hippyhuffinpaintwho me?10:25
walskimemcmeme, ive installed it10:25
memcmemeI know10:25
memcmemebut if you do that10:25
memcmemeand specify to search description and name10:25
memcmemeyou will see all of the other packages that are associated with it10:25
memcmemeincluding plugins10:25
pablo928memcmeme: I up-graded to hoary today nd now can't find the synaptic package manager.10:26
memcmemeapt-get install synaptic10:26
Beunopablo: try apt-get then10:26
memcmemethen type synaptic in your root terminal10:26
memcmemeand it will magically appear10:26
walskik thanks 4 that memcmeme10:26
memcmememake sure you go into repositories10:26
memcmemeand check universe and multiverse10:26
memcmemeso you have the best of the best packages10:27
djpanyone use dar here?10:27
walskiill have more of a look in repositories10:27
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pablo928memcmeme:Hey it worked. I've got the synaptic package manager again. Thanks.10:28
hippyhuffinpaintroot@trainwreks:~# apt-get install firefox10:28
hippyhuffinpaintReading Package Lists... Done10:28
hippyhuffinpaintBuilding Dependency Tree... Done10:28
hippyhuffinpaintE: Couldn't find package firefox10:28
hippyhuffinpaintroot@trainwreks:~# apt-get install mozilla-firefox10:29
hippyhuffinpaintReading Package Lists... Done10:29
hippyhuffinpaintBuilding Dependency Tree... Done10:29
hippyhuffinpaintmozilla-firefox is already the newest version.10:29
hippyhuffinpaint0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.10:29
scandiumthere you go10:29
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hippyhuffinpaintdoesn't work10:30
scandiumwhat happens if you type "firefox" in console?10:30
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scandiumor click the blue ball in the top panel10:31
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hippyhuffinpaintalex@trainwreks:~$ firefox10:31
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hippyhuffinpaintstarts to load10:32
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hippyhuffinpaintdoesnt open10:32
Diablo-D3sarge iso done downloading10:32
Diablo-D3hopefully that can install10:33
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memcmemeno problem :)10:33
Diablo-D3and then I can install ubuntu from that10:33
ghitahello!Whay can't I see for example for a jar file the gnome-mime-application-x-jar icon?10:33
hippyhuffinpainthow do i remove apps10:33
Diablo-D3hippyhuffinpaint: apt-get remove10:33
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hippyhuffinpaintdiablo-d3 thanks, but what if i didn't install it with apt-get install10:35
Diablo-D3hippyhuffinpaint: how else would you install things?10:35
hippyhuffinpainti unpacked the tarball for mozilla firefox 1.02 and installed that10:36
Diablo-D3rtfm then10:36
hippyhuffinpaintwhats that mean?10:36
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Diablo-D3rtfd while you're at it10:37
Diablo-D3and if that doesnt help, www.fuckinggoogleit.com10:37
toni^hippyhuffinpaint: there should be uninstall script where you installed it10:37
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MyrttiDiablo-D3: do you know what etymology lies behind Ubuntu's name?10:39
Myrttijust asking out of curiosity10:39
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Diablo-D3Myrtti: check the faq for that10:40
sabmoc|zombiehrmmmmmrmmmm.. braaainzzz....10:40
Myrttibecause I doubt *you* have read that part of Ubuntu's rtfd, since your attitude towards newbies is so hostile10:40
pablo928Diablo-D3:I just followed your link, Pretty good!10:40
Diablo-D3Myrtti: ahh, in that case, do you know the etymology that lies behind my name? ;)10:40
sabmoc|zombieMyrtti, who's being hostil to noobs? thats my job and I'll be damned is someone is gonna spork me out of it!10:41
MyrttiDiablo-D3: saint who's said to be the guardian of Irish?10:41
Diablo-D3yeah--wait, no!10:41
Diablo-D3I eat people! For breakfast! Humans taste like chicken!10:42
omniscientanyone found the easter egg on that site10:42
Myrttino but really. I just dislike the attitude of giving RTFM or UTFG as the sole answer10:42
Myrttibut do continue whatever you were doing10:42
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Diablo-D3I _was_ attempting to ubuntufy a laptop10:43
Diablo-D3the kind of laptop that running DOS is it's speed10:43
MyrttiI'll continue being "The Ubuntu using Finnish nerdette-whiner-bitch"10:43
Myrtticarry on10:43
Diablo-D3seeing as the install cd wont work on it...10:44
sabmoc|zombiehrrmmmrmm.. brainzzss..10:44
hippyhuffinpainti dunno if there is an uninstall scrpt would it be named xpicleanup?  its my mozilla-firefox directory.10:44
Diablo-D3Ill attempt to use debian install (which works on everything, including toasters) and then ubuntufy the debian install10:44
Diablo-D3hippyhuffinpaint: no10:44
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MyrttiDiablo-D3: have you tried pure Ubuntu install on that machine yet?10:45
Diablo-D3Myrtti: pure as in whats off the 4.10 install cd?10:45
Diablo-D3Myrtti: thats what I tried already10:45
joshmachineanyone here have any success with the cisco vpn client on hoary?  The module loads fine, but when I try to use it the kernel emits some sort of stack dump (with the apparent root problem "Badness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:140")  this worked fine on debian sarge.10:45
MyrttiDiablo-D3: or the hoary preview install CDs10:45
Diablo-D3apparently low memory mode is completely borked on those cds10:46
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MyrttiI'm not sure if we talk about the same thing10:46
NetCommwwhere are guys based?10:46
NetCommim just woundering how long my cd will take..10:46
Myrttiversion numbering has always made my head dizzy10:46
NetCommim in australia10:46
Diablo-D3Myrtti: we dont, 4.10 is warty10:46
Diablo-D3atleast, I think its warty. Its whatever is stable atm10:46
MyrttiI'd try hoary CD's before trying with Debian installer10:47
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Myrttibut that's just me10:47
Diablo-D3heh, Im on dialup, Myrtti10:47
Diablo-D3unless you plan on same day fedexing me a hoary install cd.... =P10:47
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NetCommanyone want to have a stap at my question?10:47
sabmoc|zombiea stap? sure i'll stap it10:48
Ribsnothing like a good stapping10:48
Diablo-D3stap! stap! stappity stap!10:48
sabmoc|zombiehmm.. staping goodness.. *gurgle*10:48
NetCommhardly funny10:48
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sabmoc|zombieI dunno, three comments seem to say otherwise. :)10:49
sabmoc|zombieNetComm, whats the question?10:49
MyrttiNetComm: I just didn't understand your question10:49
Myrttiyou could try to rephraze it10:49
NetCommwhere are the developers of ubuntu based?10:49
Myrttiall over the world10:50
Diablo-D3NetComm: on planet earth10:50
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NetCommand who long with my copy take to be shipped to australia?10:50
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pablo928Diablo-D3:I installed 4.10 0n a old PC chips mother board with a P12 300 Mhz processor. It just didn't recognize my on-board video,  sound or nic. (10:50
NetCommok where are the cd's shipped from?10:50
sabmoc|zombieNetComm, I think canonical is based in south africa10:50
Diablo-D3pablo928: how much memory?10:50
Diablo-D3NetComm: because it came from sweeden10:50
jdubNetComm: when did you order the cd?10:50
Diablo-D3heh, atleast, my stack of ubuntu cds came from sweeden10:51
Funraiserthere is nero for linux now :http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1913.phtml10:51
NetCommjust now10:51
NetCommim in australia..10:51
jdubNetComm: then you won't get it until after hoary is released.10:51
Diablo-D3Funraiser: yeah, that was on slashdot like last month10:51
MyrttiFunraiser: available to those who have registered and paid for Windows version10:51
Diablo-D3yay its jdub10:51
jdubNetComm: if you're in sydney, you can get some warty CDs from me10:51
Diablo-D3jdub: say something funny10:51
sabmoc|zombieNetComm, the Ubuntu helijet should be in your backyard momentarily, please wait.10:51
NetCommjdub im in tasmania10:51
Myrttiwhich suck ***, but on the other hand, I don't have burning ROM drive10:52
pablo928Diablo-D3: 228 MB ram10:52
Diablo-D3pablo928: thats why.10:52
Myrttiso I couldn't care less10:52
Diablo-D3pablo928: this laptop only has 3210:52
Funraiserlike "who" has a registred version of Nero...10:52
sabmoc|zombieI need a good staping!!10:52
jdubNetComm: ok. the shipit pages do say that current CD orders are for hoary, and will be shipped after its release.10:52
Diablo-D3pablo928: which triggers low memory mode, which causes it to explode10:52
MyrttiFunraiser: that one too :->10:52
sabmoc|zombieFunraiser, everyone who buys a cd-burner actually.10:52
Funraiserdidn't think about that10:53
Diablo-D3am I the only one here who thinks kubuntu should merge with ubuntu?10:53
NetCommwell that wasnt so hard was it, jesus christ10:53
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Diablo-D3I dont think I even own a copy of nero10:53
jdubDiablo-D3: you are. because you don't realise that they are one and the same.10:53
sabmoc|zombieFunraiser, I have an oem cd of nero sitting on my desk with cd-key10:53
Funraisergonna get my version of NeroLinux10:53
Diablo-D3both of my cd burners came with nero, and I tossed the disks out10:53
RibsDiablo-D3: Buy OEM, it's cheaper :>10:54
Diablo-D3jdub: but they are being marketed as seperate distros?10:54
Diablo-D3Ribs: these were oem10:54
jdubDiablo-D3: to a certain extent, yes10:54
Diablo-D3I never buy retail box stuff10:54
Diablo-D3jdub: I dont see the point in that10:54
Ribsand it came with software?10:54
Ribsohh errr10:54
Diablo-D3yeah, it came with nero10:55
jdubDiablo-D3: that's okay.10:55
word_virusOEM keys don't work with NeroLinux.  You have to buy the box. :-(10:55
Funraisernero was the only app i had to go back to window$, now i'm free10:55
Diablo-D3infact, my most recent one didnt even come with screws or cables10:55
Diablo-D3but it came with a nero disc10:55
Diablo-D3go figure10:55
pablo928Diablo-D3:Nero want you to upgrade.10:56
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toni^whos so sick to BUY cd burner for linux?...10:56
memcmemeI do have a serious question though10:56
Diablo-D3pablo928: nero can kiss my shiney metal ass10:56
Diablo-D3k3b > *10:56
memcmemewhat is better about nero over k3b?10:56
memcmemeI have not read of any real advange10:56
memcmemeshit I can't spell advantage10:57
Diablo-D3k3b is the best cd burner software in existance10:57
Myrttitoni^: software or hardware? I'm sure lots of people have CD burners...10:57
memcmemeHere here!10:57
sabmoc|zombieDiablo-D3, eeww, just eww10:57
Diablo-D3okay, fine, you gnome kiddies can use your k3b clone10:57
toni^Myrtti: emn... talking about nero ;)10:57
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jebusok i have a obvious and dumb question10:57
Myrttiwell, I got the impression that one cannot buy it, the linux version10:58
FunraiserK3b doesn't convert mp3 to avi directly10:58
Funraiserwhen burning an audio cd10:58
Diablo-D3Funraiser: er... what?10:58
memcmemeyou can't10:58
memcmemeyou have to buy the windows version10:58
Diablo-D3Funraiser: you mean mp3 to pcm directly?10:58
jebusdoes ubuntu support rpm files10:58
memcmemeand when you register it10:58
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Myrttithat it's available without payment to those who have already bought the Windows version10:58
Myrttior registered it10:58
Myrttito be more precise10:58
memcmemethey will let you download the linux version10:58
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memcmemejust stupid if you ask me10:58
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Diablo-D3yeah, do they think they can compete with k3b?10:59
memcmemeI would never buy Nero, I like K3B UI better too10:59
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Diablo-D3er, argh10:59
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underlordon boot ubuntu outputs a bunch of errors reading my disk, but still boots ok, i suspect i might have some bad blocks or something, how can i force a check?10:59
FunraiserDiablo-D3 i mean mp3 to the format for an audio cd10:59
Myrttimemcmeme: on the other hand, the windows version is bundeled on almost every CD burner, so if they have (don't know if they do) a way of registering it online outside of the windows software, then it would be a piece of cake getting the linux version too11:00
Diablo-D3Funraiser: that would be pcm11:00
pablo928memcmeme; Is k3b available thru ap-get?11:00
Myrttipablo928: yes11:00
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Diablo-D3apt-get install k3b11:00
Funraiserok, one might think that it's a required feature...11:00
Diablo-D3recent version already installed blah blah blah11:00
jebusdoes ubuntu support rpm files11:00
memcmemethatst he stupid thing11:00
Diablo-D3jebus: no, use alien11:01
memcmemeyou have to have windows to register the damn windows version11:01
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SeeleyUSMCWho's alive?11:01
sabmoc|zombiehhmmrm.. brainzzzz11:01
Diablo-D3memcmeme: ... that makes no sense11:01
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omniscientMyrtti, you cant use that one to register11:01
Diablo-D3thats like how microsoft does it11:01
omniscientits oem aint it11:01
Myrttiomniscient: well that sucks11:02
omniscientthey only work witht hat burner11:02
omniscientfrom my experiance11:02
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memcmemepablo928 if you don't have a certain driver11:02
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Diablo-D3<billg> we dont sell you software, you sell us your soul11:02
memcmemeit will tell you to install it11:02
Diablo-D3<billg> whahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhahah *cough*11:02
memcmemepablo928 dont panic if that happens, just copy and past the driver name into synaptic11:02
memcmemeand you will find it :)11:02
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Diablo-D3btw, yes, oem copies are locked to the specific cd burner11:02
memcmemethat is11:02
MyrttiI don't know if I should be happy or not, but I have no other way of physically get my stuff out of my computer than my USB memory stick11:03
Diablo-D3Myrtti: ph33r.11:03
Myrttiwhich, BTW, I haven't checked if it works with my current hardware11:03
Diablo-D3it could be worse, though11:03
Myrttiit could11:03
Diablo-D3you could cram DSL onto your usb key11:03
Myrttisay what?11:03
Diablo-D3damn small linux11:03
memcmemeDSL is cute11:04
memcmemebut honestly11:04
Myrttiyeah well, a friend of mine keeps Firefox on his USB stick11:04
memcmemeunless you have ancient hardware there is no bloody point11:04
Diablo-D3memcmeme: no no no man11:04
Myrtticause the schools stuck on Netscape 4.7 and IE11:04
sabmoc|zombieMyrtti, i bet that impresses all the girls at work.11:04