[12:00] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Do the package install first.
[12:00] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: sudo dpkg -i and sudo network-admin, yes
[12:00] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know how to format a usb memory stick in ubuntu?
[12:00] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: then do ifconfig to see if you have an ath0 interface.
[12:00] <phanter> dash: found it?
[12:00] <stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: might want to reload the card if it's pcmcia after dpkg -i before network-admin
[12:00] <confrey> SeeleyUSMC, cfidisk
[12:00] <sandwitch> mkfs.whatever /dev/sda1
[12:00] <warty> hey guys, i am using the ubuntu live cd to get pictures onto a dvd of a corrupt windows partition... what program can i use to burn a dvd w/ the live cd?
[12:00] <warty> it doesnt come w/ k3b
[12:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: That was good advice from stuNNed.  Definitely take the card out and put it back in.
[12:01] <sandwitch> is there a growisofs ?
[12:01] <SeeleyUSMC> confrey: what would the location of a USB device be?
[12:01] <Coily> wasnt there some change in fx 1.0.1 which screwed up the gnome theme?
[12:01] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: its internal to my laptop though?
[12:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Then "modprobe ath_pci".  The interface will be called ath0.
[12:02] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your USB stick will likely be /dev/sda1.   USB stuff is seen as SCSI, thus the sda.
[12:02] <SeeleyUSMC> I really appreciate the help I'm getting here everyone.  I'm writing it all down
[12:03] <arek> nvashi2: i got only left side bar
[12:03] <confrey> DarthFrog, and how can I mount a cf inserted in an adapter on pcmcia?
[12:03] <SeeleyUSMC> bbl, going to try this all out
[12:03] <Codyman_> i am trying to connect to a wireless network.. every time i set the essid to the right essid then see if its connected it always still says "any"
[12:03] <Coily> has anyone had luck overwriting their firefox 1.0 install with 1.0.1? copying files is boring =[
[12:03] <nvashi2> arek: you might want to get the update
[12:05] <DarthFrog> confrey: It's probably /dev/sda1, too.
[12:05] <sandwitch> I'm gone later and dont forget ..... have phun!
[12:05] <DarthFrog> codyman: How are you setting the SSID?
[12:05] <arek> nvashi2: yes but i had to compile sane xsane and backends, hand genrate my locales, compile beep media player ... i will have lfs soon
[12:06] <DarthFrog> W00t!  Kubuntu made Slashdot! :-)
[12:06] <confrey> DarthFrog, no, I can't see anything about in messages after inserting it, I don't now what is missing
[12:06] <DarthFrog> confrey: In /var/log/messages?  What does dmesg say?
[12:06] <nvashi2> arek: kewl I burn LFS to cd but have yet to try it out
[12:07] <Codyman_> DarthFrog: iwconfig wlan0 essid (insert name)
[12:07] <jalal_ubuntu> how to make xmms as a default mp3 player
[12:07] <DarthFrog> codyman: That should work.  What do you get from "iwconfig wlan0" after that?
[12:07] <Codyman_> i'll go check
[12:07] <Rene_S> Well, If i stick to Gnome only programs already made for Ubuntu the whole menu editing thing will go away hehe
[12:07] <nvashi2> arek: wil get a detailed picture of my system that I am putting it on 1st
[12:07] <DXT> im a bit confused, array 7 > preview (hoary)
[12:08] <DXT> ?
[12:08] <DXT> I mean, which on is more updated?
[12:08] <confrey> DarthFrog, dmesg and messages are talking anything
[12:09] <Coily> should i use the debian sid installer or mozilla's for firefox 1.0.1?
[12:09] <Codyman_> DarthFrog: It still says "any" and also it says that encryption is off but i entered the WEP key.. whats the proper way to enter the key (40 bit)
[12:09] <Coily> i mean, if mozilla's works fine why bother
[12:09] <phanter> Coily: why not via apt-get ?
[12:09] <DarthFrog> codyman: Bizarre.
[12:09] <Coily> phanter, apparantly i dont have the right repositories because i cant find it
[12:09] <DarthFrog> codyman: use the Ubuntu network tool?
[12:10] <DarthFrog> confrey: Sorry, no idea.
[12:10] <phanter> Coily: You are using synaptic?
[12:10] <Coily> phanter, yup
[12:10] <DarthFrog> confrey: Hang on, I'll try it with mine.  If I can find a CF card around here. :-)
[12:10] <Codyman_> DarthFrog: I have (K)ubuntu so i am using kWIFIManager??
[12:11] <phanter> Coily: Settings -> Reposities -> Enable all the reposities and it should be ready to rock
[12:11] <confrey> is it possible to set different background in four workspace?
[12:11] <jbailey> lunitik: I have the bug assigned to me to fix xmms and the TLS issue, and a patch onhand from upstream.  After RC I'm going to figure out whether or not the patch can be made sufficiently non-invasive to apply.
[12:12] <warty> Hey guys how can i burn a dvd using the ubuntu live cd?
[12:12] <Coily> phanter, all repositories are enabled =[
[12:12] <Coily> phanter, and ive added everything from ubuntuguide.org
[12:12] <phanter> Coily: You are using Hoary?
[12:12] <Coily> phanter, ah no sorry warty
[12:13] <Kate> hi
[12:13] <garrut> welcome back :)
[12:13] <Kate> how is everyone?
[12:13] <Kate> thanks
[12:13] <warty> Is there any way to burn a dvd using the ubuntu warty live cd
[12:13] <Kate> guess how i wasted $20AUD?
[12:13] <Kate> on impulse, i bought fedora core 3 :(
[12:14] <phanter> Coily: sorry, dunno if it is in warty, BUT I cannot believe it is not. If it is not just go to the Ubuntu or Debian website and download the deb files. it can save you a lot of headache!
[12:14] <garrut> you smashed something again?
[12:14] <Kate> i have a serious shopping problem
[12:14] <Kate> lol
[12:14] <DarthFrog> confrey: Sorry, my wife has all the CF disks with her.
[12:14] <Coily> phanter, alright ill check it out. do you have the name of the firefox installer? i can google it
[12:14] <Kate> i had a bad experience with FC3... now its come back to haunt me...
[12:15] <DarthFrog> Codyman_: Try it.  I don't think you can use it to set up networking.  You can install knetworkconf and use that, though.  Set it to Debian Sarge.
[12:15] <phanter> Coily: well i have the link if you give me one sec.
[12:15] <Kate> this is bad
[12:15] <Coily> phanter, thanks
[12:16] <Kate> maybe its better that i started on an easier distro... i dont know...
[12:16] <garrut> ubuntu is easy, isn't it?
[12:16] <Kate> i dont know
[12:16] <Kate> getting the internet working is hard...
[12:16] <Kate> lol
[12:16] <garrut> hehe
[12:16] <DarthFrog> garrut: Pretty easy, yes.
[12:17] <Kate> ive been trying a month now
[12:17] <DarthFrog> garrut: For the most part.
[12:17] <thenuke> garrut: pretty easy yes
[12:17] <confrey> DarthFrog, :) no matter... can you tell me about multiple background in gnome? is it possible ( as in KDE)?
[12:17] <phanter> Coily: Again: you should be abled to find this yourself, bbut download what you think that you will need from this page: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[12:17] <garrut> yeah i know, i was talking to kate :)
[12:17] <DarthFrog> confrey: I know next to nothing about Gnome, sorry.
[12:18] <Kate> im not used to a command line yet though
[12:18] <Coily> phanter, ya i found that before. i guess theres no ubuntu package?
[12:18] <Coily> actually im positive theres a backports firefox 1.0.1 package for warty
[12:18] <phanter> Coily: explain me the difference between a Debian and a Ubuntu package...
[12:18] <Coily> there was a thread about it
[12:18] <DarthFrog> Kate: The command line is where all the power is.  Conquer the command line and you'll truly be running Linux. :-)
[12:18] <Coily> phanter,  please do :x
[12:18] <crazney> hi there. does ubuntu have any nice gui tools for setting up samba shares?
[12:19] <Kate> i'll get the hang of the command line eventually i hope
[12:19] <Kate> but ive been basically a windows user all my life
[12:19] <Rene_S> either that or the command line will hang you
[12:19] <Kate> so im used to things not doing what you want them to do...
[12:19] <Coily> ok thanks for the help. i wasnt sure if there was a difference
[12:19] <DarthFrog> Kate: With Ubuntu, you don't *really* need to use the command line.
[12:19] <phanter> Coily: there is none. Both are .deb files. Sometimes Debian is not as updates as other distro's but do not worry... everything you download from Debian is stable and secure (that is for shure !!!!)
[12:20] <Kate> i cant get the internet working on ubuntu though
[12:20] <Coily> hehe ok goo
[12:20] <Coily> good*
[12:20] <DarthFrog> Kate: Why not?
[12:20] <Kate> thats what i want to know!
[12:20] <ermo> I hear you. That internet never seems to work quite like one wants it to.
[12:20] <Kate> no, i cant connect
[12:21] <knewt> hmm. i wonder what part of the world Thom May is in
[12:21] <DarthFrog> Kate: How are you trying to connect?
[12:21] <garrut> it's time for broadband Kate
[12:21] <^thehatsrule^> yes it is :P
[12:21] <Kate> im a poor 13 yearold! how am i supposed to afford broadband?
[12:21] <Coily> should i use the testing or unstable release (in general)?
[12:22] <Rene_S> Convince your mom that it will keep you from doing drugs ... Parents are suckers for that
[12:22] <xy77> Hi folks. A question concerning powernowd. It makes my mouse go crazy. I want to disable it by default. How to do it?
[12:22] <Kate> lol
[12:22] <thenuke> Coily: dont bother with testing, they really are Testing packages
[12:22] <xy77> I cannot uninstall it, since ubuntu-desktop depends on it (somehow)
[12:22] <Coily> thenuke, gotcha
[12:22] <deville_75> how do i download using terminal?
[12:22] <Kate> she wont take it seriously, she'll just stick me in counseling
[12:22] <garrut> deville_75: wget
[12:23] <ermo> Rene_S, ... then again, broadband has that 'addictive' quality as well..
[12:23] <Rene_S> My line is Mom, its either 40 a month now, or 300 a day for heroin, your choice, then just walk away
[12:23] <knewt> Coily: i moved from warty to hoary back at the beginning of march, about the same time pre-release as i did with warty
[12:23] <Gandalfar> where can I get linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386
[12:23] <deville_75> wget wut?
[12:23] <Kate> lol
[12:23] <_larry> how can use root on Hoary preview
[12:23] <deville_75> just type in the filename after?
[12:23] <garrut> wget<link>
[12:23] <DarthFrog> _larry: ubusudo http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:23] <garrut> if it doesn't work : man wget :)
[12:24] <Coily> knewt, ooh maverick :O
[12:24] <ermo> xy77, I read that as 'It makes my _house_ go crazy' - was thinking 'gee, I need one of those!'
[12:24] <confrey> larry, sudo -s, insert user password and become root; then set root password with passwd
[12:24] <DarthFrog> Gandalfar: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:24] <deville_75> oh, i c so wget and the link to the download
[12:24] <xy77> Can someone tell me how I can safely disable powernowd? remove all S20powernowd and K20powernowd from /etc/rcX.d ?
[12:24] <Coily> has anyone got a foolproof (and simple) method for upgrading to firefox 1.0.1?
[12:24] <DarthFrog> xy77: That would work. :-) On reboot, they won't be started.
[12:24] <Kate> ick
[12:24] <Kate> i dont like firefox
[12:24] <Kate> please dont hurt me
[12:24] <knewt> confrey: i'd advise keeping root disabled and always using sudo personally
[12:24] <ermo> xy77, install rcconf, then use it to disable powernowd
[12:24] <xy77> DarthFrog: nothing to worry about on updates or such?
[12:24] <DarthFrog> xy77: You can also "/etc/init.d/powernowd stop"
[12:24] <xy77> ermo: rcconf, I'll check this one.
[12:24] <ermo> xy77, it's a nice curses interface to control the current runlevel
[12:25] <DarthFrog> xy77: They are only symlinks.
[12:25] <xy77> DarthFrog: must be disabled on boot.
[12:25] <ermo> xy77, which does things the 'proper' way
[12:25] <phanter> hey I once used this program to draw pictures and this program did generate clean (text) LaTeX code from this picture. Does anybody know how that program is called?
[12:25] <DarthFrog> xy77: You only need remove the one starting with S.
[12:25] <confrey> knewt, I prefer to use root account, as in debian and in other distribution;
[12:25] <DarthFrog> xy77: S = Start  K = Kill
[12:25] <mjr> phanter, xfig?
[12:25] <Coily> tryin again:
[12:25] <Coily> has anyone got a foolproof (and simple) method for upgrading to firefox 1.0.1?
[12:26] <phanter> mjr: could be.. I'll check it out. Thanks
[12:26] <Kate> ok
[12:26] <xy77> ermo: I looked for the proper way, thank you, rcconf is fine.
[12:26] <knewt> confrey: so sudo -s when you need root?
[12:26] <xy77> Thanks all for your help.
[12:26] <Kate> well im gonna go and put what little energy i have left into destroying the computer so i get my own :)
[12:26] <Kate> by
[12:26] <Kate> *bye
[12:26] <confrey> I have a laptop, cpu is a Sempron 3000+; I can use it (in windows) at 400 MHz too; not in linux : the smallest freq is 800 Mhz; why? there is a way to set cpufrq to 400?
[12:27] <DarthFrog> rcconf is nice & simple. :-)
[12:28] <confrey> knewt, yes, it's the same thing, but some services required a root account (cups admin and swat), so it's necessary - for me- to set the rroot passwd too
[12:28] <DarthFrog> confrey: No, it's not.  There is a root account already.
[12:29] <knewt> confrey: you should be able to configure them to not to need a root password
[12:30] <munki> Ubuntu doesn't need a root passwd !
[12:30] <munki> learn! :P
[12:30] <confrey> knewt, bohh, I don't know very well, no matter; if you can, help me about cpu frq scaling to 400 MHz... :)
[12:30] <ermo> xy77, btw, if you're interested in knowing a bit more about the details of booting in a debianized world, you could check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-boot
[12:31] <ermo> xy77, for extra credit, take a look at the debian policy manual. have a ball ;-^
[12:31] <knewt> confrey: i use the command-line for configuring cups personally anyway
[12:31] <SeeleyUSMC> grr!
[12:32] <SeeleyUSMC> i did the dpkg -i for the restricted modules and after it installed them, nothing new seemed to happen
[12:32] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you do "modprobe ath_pci"?
[12:32] <SeeleyUSMC> iwconfig still shows no wireless connections, modprobe auth_pci shows a "FATAL: Module auth_pci not found"
[12:32] <garrut> what's up with firefox not saving files?
[12:33] <DarthFrog> ath_pci, not auth_pci.
[12:33] <PacoBCN> guys, I have a weird problem
[12:33] <SeeleyUSMC> ...
[12:33] <confrey> knewt, I amn't so expertise
[12:33] <munki> PacoBCN , tell ?
[12:33] <SeeleyUSMC> I guess I wrote down the wrong thing lol
[12:33] <^thehatsrule^> weird is nice
[12:33] <PacoBCN> somehow whenever I try to see an html/php page under my local apache I get the download windows of firefox
[12:33] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what should I look for when I type modprobe ath_pci ?
[12:33] <PacoBCN> It doesn't compile nor show anything, just make me download it
[12:33] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Edit /etc/modules and put a line in there for ath_pci.  That way it'll be autoloaded on boot.
[12:34] <PacoBCN> it was running perfectly yesterday
[12:34] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If it works, you should just get the command line back.  "lsmod | less" should show that ath_hal and ath_pci are loaded.  "ifconfig" should show an ath0 interface.
[12:34] <|QuaD-> when are the bendy archives going to be made?
[12:35] <munki> PacoBCN : when you enter http://127.0.0.1/something.html
[12:35] <munki> you get the download window ?
[12:35] <|QuaD-> not bendy, breezy :)
[12:35] <DarthFrog> |QuaD-: Well, probably shortly after Hoary is released.
[12:35] <William_Cain> Hello.
[12:36] <isam> this could be an FAQ : I have Sarge, and liked Ubuntu .. changing the sources.list would do the job ?
[12:36] <William_Cain> I have a question about the ATI driver.
[12:36] <isam> or at least mostly ?
[12:36] <munki> hello there William
[12:36] <|QuaD-> DarthFrog: ok, has development on it started?
[12:36] <PacoBCN> munki, thanks for the tip. Now it opens at least the html files but not the php
[12:36] <PacoBCN> I always used http://localhost/
[12:36] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If all that is there, you're a happy camper.  Then you can get on with configuring the networking.
[12:36] <PacoBCN> but doesn't seem to work any longer
[12:36] <SeeleyUSMC> Alrighty!  BBL - Going to attempt :)
[12:36] <munki> PacoBCN , that wasn't' a tip it was a question..
[12:36] <DarthFrog> |QuaD-: I doubt it since Hoary isn't released yet.
[12:37] <PacoBCN> PacoBCN, I know, but it helped :D
[12:37] <knewt> PacoBCN: check that /etc/hosts contains an entry mapping 127.0.0.1 to localhost
[12:37] <munki> PacoBCN : heh.. how would you else open the files on your server ?
[12:37] <William_Cain> When I first installed Ubuntu, not even screensavers got frame rates above 10fps. I then installed the ATI driver, and everything worked fine. I got smooth graphics. However, after a few days, everything went back to the same old slowness...
[12:37] <PacoBCN> munki, http://localhost/
[12:37] <William_Cain> Has anyone else experienced the same?
[12:38] <munki> oh.. PacoBCN check that localhost is mapped to 127.0.0.1
[12:38] <yyc747> does the preview release of hoary have kde 3.4 (kubuntu, of course)?
[12:38] <isam> William_Cain: are you still using the ATI driver in X configuration ?
[12:38] <^thehatsrule^> did you update xfree?
[12:38] <DarthFrog> yyc747: Yes.
[12:38] <PacoBCN> munki, anyway, that's not the problem now, it's that it doesn't want to compile php files
[12:38] <William_Cain> Perhaps I should have a look.
[12:38] <smo> PacoBCN: That behavior's usually apache missing the AddType and/or LoadModule lines in it's config
[12:39] <PacoBCN> smo, that's what I'm thinking also
[12:39] <yyc747> PacoBCN: php files aren't compiled... do you mean "interpret"?
[12:39] <PacoBCN> smo, but weird, since I didn't touch anything
[12:39] <munki> PacoBCN , It shouldn't compile php files, but open them :) You did install the apache-php5 candidate ?
[12:39] <PacoBCN> yyc747, yes, that's what I mean
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> you know where you configure the proxy/socks server in GNOME, is it only for GNOME or is it system-wide?
[12:39] <William_Cain> Uhm, where is the X configuration file located?
[12:39] <munki> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:40] <isam> a quicky .. my system was installed as warty, but I moved (by apting, changing sources.list) to debian from it because of lack of proper KDE support.. and now with KDE 3.4, and Xorg I want to get back to Ubuntu
[12:40] <William_Cain> I just found it as you were typing, hehe.
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> depends on what youre using ;p
[12:40] <isam> will it work if I change back sources.list ?
[12:40] <PacoBCN> php5? no, always used 4 here, didn't know 5 was available
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> lol... ver 5 has been out for a while
[12:40] <PacoBCN> ok, wait
[12:40] <munki> :) installed any php-server ?
[12:40] <PacoBCN> seems that some packages got removed
[12:40] <mjr> ^thehatsrule^, only gnome
[12:40] <William_Cain> Would not having the folder called XF86Config-4 count as a bad thing?
[12:41] <munki> apache think it's nice, to have php integration installed
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> mjr, so that means i cant use flux?
[12:41] <PacoBCN> I'm upgrading tons of files everyday and sometimes it makes changes I didn't allow
[12:41] <munki> PacoBCN : read the screen ? ;)
[12:41] <yyc747> hoary has xorg, correct?
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> or is there another way or tool do config it in flux?
[12:41] <William_Cain> I found it.
[12:41] <mjr> ^thehatsrule^, why would it mean that?
[12:41] <garrut> it's the computers fault!
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> well er... oh
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> i config it in gnome
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> then i can use flux?
[12:42] <mjr> ^thehatsrule^, if you're using a browser that supports the gnome configuration options, it doesn't matter what WM you run
[12:42] <Roey> hi
[12:42] <mjr> and if the browser doesn't, well, you'll just need to set it separately
[12:42] <William_Cain> Ok, the glx module is loaded in the X config file.
[12:42] <Timbo> is laptop power management (matthew garrett's stuff) in the main kernel yet?
[12:42] <Roey> what does ubuntu offer over debian?
[12:42] <William_Cain> Does that mean that the ATI drivers are loaded?
[12:42] <Roey> more often releases?
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> hm alright
[12:43] <^thehatsrule^> i suppose games wouldnt work?
[12:43] <William_Cain> Hmm, it does define fglrx as its driver.
[12:43] <William_Cain> So it should work perfectly.
[12:43] <Timbo> Roey: more up to date, less politics
[12:43] <Timbo> more focused
[12:43] <Timbo> tends to "just work"
[12:43] <PacoBCN> I'm working around it...
[12:43] <PacoBCN> all thes upgrades...
[12:44] <_phoenix3051_> Roey:"more pretty" out of the box
[12:44] <mjr> ^thehatsrule^, wouldn't work what? with fluxbox? why not?
[12:44] <PacoBCN> sometimes I want to reformat everything and install from the latest array
[12:44] <PacoBCN> ...
[12:44] <Timbo> definitely a desktop distro though
[12:44] <Timbo> and perhaps slightly less flexible than debian
[12:44] <Roey> _phoenix3051_:  I see.
[12:44] <Roey> _phoenix3051_:  with a better installer hopefully!
[12:44] <Roey> _phoenix3051_:  is it possible to install Ubuntu from its livecd ?
[12:44] <William_Cain> Ok, what else can be the problem, do you think? The ATI driver refuses to work.
[12:45] <William_Cain> I've even reinstalled it.
[12:45] <_phoenix3051_> Roey:much easier installer
[12:45] <Roey> _phoenix3051_:  let me give you an example of what I wnat to do:
[12:45] <_phoenix3051_> Roey:I'm not sure if you can install from the live CD.
[12:46] <Roey> _phoenix3051_:  I want to run my four disks as a software raid5, with XFS as the filesystem on /, /boot, /media and /home.  Will I be able to do install this from the LiveCD?
[12:46] <^thehatsrule^> mjr, no i mean if i specify socks/proxy server in gnome, then use flux, and play a multiplayer game... like quake3, would it work?
[12:46] <Roey> _phoenix3051_:  ok.
[12:46] <SillySilly> how can i set up su in kubuntu?
[12:46] <garrut> Roey: i don't think so
[12:46] <apokryphos> SillySilly: same as ubuntu
[12:46] <LinuxJones> what font is xchat using by default, can someone check for me pls ?
[12:46] <SillySilly> k
[12:46] <Roey> garrut:  ok.
[12:47] <SillySilly> monospace
[12:47] <Nikopol> monospace 9
[12:47] <Nikopol> oops
[12:48] <LinuxJones> that's not the default tho ?
[12:48] <William_Cain> Does nobody else have problems with the ATI driver?
[12:48] <SillySilly> monospace is the default
[12:48] <Nikopol> I think so - I haven't touched mine
[12:48] <SillySilly> font size 9
[12:48] <LinuxJones> SillySilly, something is messed up with my fonts then
[12:48] <garrut> i don't use ati, but as far as i know the drivers suck
[12:48] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ath_pci right?
[12:49] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Yes.
[12:49] <SeeleyUSMC> Hrm
[12:49] <SeeleyUSMC> Nothing is outputted when I type that
[12:49] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What happened?
[12:49] <William_Cain> They refuse to work anymore.
[12:49] <SeeleyUSMC> I did add it to /etc/modules though
[12:49] <niamh> Can I give a user the ability to halt the machine without entering their password, if I'm using fluxbox rather than gnome? "sudo halt" requires the password.
[12:49] <garrut> is the module loaded?
[12:49] <William_Cain> Yes, it is.
[12:50] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You typed "modprobe ath_pci" right? What happened?
[12:50] <sysrq> niamh: the NOPASSWD option in sudoers
[12:50] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: nothing.
[12:50] <William_Cain> The drivers worked at first, but after a few days, they just suddenly stopped.
[12:50] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You got a command prompt back again with no output?
[12:50] <William_Cain> Now it's like I didn't have them..
[12:50] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Exactly.
[12:50] <William_Cain> I didn't do anything special those days either.
[12:50] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: That's what's supposed to happen.:)
[12:50] <_phoenix3051_> William_Cain: have you upgraded the kernel?
[12:50] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: oh
[12:51] <William_Cain> No.
[12:51] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you do the rest of the stuff?
[12:51] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I added 'ath_pci' to the /etc/modules and then did if config
[12:51] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ifconfig didn't show anything new
[12:52] <SillySilly> man, tab completion sucks in ubuntu
[12:52] <garrut> William_Cain: which kernel are you running?
[12:52] <William_Cain> Let me check.
[12:52] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  What about lsmod?
[12:52] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: forgot to do that...that shows that they are loaded modules right?
[12:52] <Nikopol> uname -r
[12:52] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Right.
[12:53] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I'll go boot back into linux and try that out and get right back to you
[12:53] <LinuxJones> SillySilly, how you mean ?
[12:53] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: But if the modules are loaded and you don't have an ath0 interface ...
[12:53] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ?
[12:53] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Run dmesg and see if anything shows up.
[12:53] <SeeleyUSMC> will do
[12:53] <niamh> sysrq, I'm not having a lot of luck with it. What should the line be, if not "username     ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: halt" ?
[12:53] <William_Cain> I'm running 2.6.8.1.
[12:54] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You'll probably want to do it as dmesg | less
[12:54] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what does that show?
[12:54] <Unbelievable> Is KUBUNTU the KDE version of UBUNTU?  I am interested in running KDE instead of GNOME
[12:54] <SillySilly> if i were to do sudo synaptic, in other distros i'd be able to do tab completion on synaptic
[12:54] <SillySilly> but i cant
[12:54] <_phoenix3051_> Unbelieveable: yes
[12:54] <mdz> Unbelievable: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with a KDE desktop rather than a GNOME desktop
[12:54] <LinuxJones> SillySilly, it works fine for me
[12:54] <SillySilly> Unbelievable, yes it is
[12:54] <mdz> Unbelievable: /join #kubuntu
[12:54] <sysrq> niamh: user ALL = NOPASSWORD: /path/to/halt
[12:55] <Unbelievable> Thanks
[12:55] <Nikopol> SillySilly, avoid the sudo
[12:55] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  "Less" will pipe the output to the screen, one screenful at a time.  Use the spacebar or arrow keys to proceed.  dmesg will give a report on the system;it's extremely useful.
[12:55] <Nikopol> SillySilly, add sudo after doing the tab completion with a 'home'
[12:55] <William_Cain> Should I upgrade to Hoary?
[12:55] <William_Cain> To test?
[12:55] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I might not be here when you get back. Time to walk the dog.
[12:55] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: gotcha
[12:55] <SeeleyUSMC> thanks
[12:55] <William_Cain> Or wouldn't the drivers work better there anyway?
[12:56] <niamh> sysrq, ah, a full path required. cheers!
[12:56] <Nikopol> SillySilly, but I agree it's a pretty naff work around ;)
[12:57] <SillySilly> yeah
[12:57] <SillySilly> it is
[12:57] <Nikopol> I think it's inevitable with sudo - but I may be wrong
[12:58] <Nikopol> it will only autocomplete the first command
[12:58] <Nikopol> it then assumes you don't want two commands in a row
[12:58] <Nikopol> or somethign to that effect
[12:58] <Nikopol> of course you could set up a root account
[12:58] <SillySilly> ok, got su working
[12:58] <SillySilly> i like su better anyway
[12:58] <sysrq> or just use sudo -s
[12:58] <sysrq> heh
[12:59] <Nikopol> problem solved then :)
[12:59] <Nikopol> sysrq, didn't know that one - good tip!
[12:59] <SillySilly> comcast is upgrading me this week hopefully
[01:00] <SillySilly> yeah, tab completion definately sucks
[01:02] <odie5533> What is the best Java IDE and where can I download it?
[01:08] <dreamwave> hi.  well, i've got ubuntu installed.  but it never asked me for a root password.  anyone know what the default it?
[01:08] <^thehatsrule^> root is disabled by default
[01:08] <^thehatsrule^> use 'sudo' to use account
[01:09] <^thehatsrule^> i mean priveleges
[01:09] <Demitrius> I am a bit new to linux and I am running hoary right now, and I wanted to get kubuntu
[01:09] <dreamwave> so, how do i go about running apt-get by hand?
[01:09] <Demitrius> so I tried sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <LinuxJones> dreamwave, as an example sudo -s (enter your user password) will give you a root-like terminal
[01:09] <dreamwave> hmmm
[01:09] <Demitrius> but it could not find it
[01:09] <Demitrius> or
[01:09] <Demitrius> KDE
[01:10] <^thehatsrule^> dreamwave: 'sudo apt-get install file'
[01:10] <dreamwave> wild
[01:10] <apokryphos> Demitrius: sudo apt-get update
[01:10] <Demitrius> ok
[01:10] <apokryphos> dreamwave: are you sure you're running hoary?
[01:11] <Demitrius> its updating
[01:11] <dreamwave> apokryphos, yep.  just installed the preview release.
[01:11] <apokryphos> dreamwave: sorry, wrong person!
[01:11] <apokryphos> Demitrius: you definitely on hoary?
[01:11] <Demitrius> yes
[01:11] <dreamwave> sudo -s did it for me.  thanks for the help.  ah.  okay.
[01:11] <jnc> P.S. Hoary preview = my savior for business
[01:12] <jnc> thank y'all
[01:12] <^thehatsrule^>  -s?
[01:12] <apokryphos> Demitrius: join #kubuntu
[01:12] <Demitrius> it still could not find it
[01:12] <Demitrius> ok
[01:12] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[01:14] <jnc> i am confused, how to change the language?
[01:14] <jnc> there is 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' but then gdm language is not changed
[01:16] <regeya> wally world run
[01:16] <PacoBCN> just wondering why, while all the gnome menus items are in spanish, the 3 main titles "Applications, Places and System" are in english
[01:16] <LinuxJones> jnc, do you have to install the language support ?
[01:17] <jnc> LinuxJones: i do not
[01:18] <jnc> as a prank, i installed with bulgarian language on a friend's mother's computer
[01:18] <jnc> the friend was freaked out (good!  mission accomplished)
[01:18] <LinuxJones> jnc, heh
[01:18] <jnc> his mom was not comfortable with bulgarian, and asked for english
[01:19] <jnc> LinuxJones: the friend is a bulgarian guy, into the usa when he was 14-15
[01:19] <jnc> so the language is only minor trouble for him
[01:19] <jnc> his mother was not happy with bulgarian text on the computer
[01:19] <manchine> anyone here using nicotine as slsk client?
[01:20] <manchine> it has several issues in hoary
[01:21] <LinuxJones> jnc, try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[01:21] <jnc> interesting
[01:21] <jnc> console-data would affect gdm?
[01:21] <jnc> that is funny
[01:21] <LinuxJones> jnc, try it
[01:21] <aspuru> wlan0     No scan results
[01:22] <jnc> LinuxJones: i will try to remember that one, thank you
[01:22] <LinuxJones> jnc, ;)
[01:22] <holycow> hey :)
[01:23] <jnc> the target machine i um, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdaaa'd it
[01:23] <jnc> i was so fustrated
[01:23] <jnc> :)
[01:23] <holycow> hey i'm not fan of ubuntu, but wanted to give you guy props
[01:23] <holycow> with ubuntu on the rise and announcement of kubuntu  i think you guys are kicking some ass :)
[01:23] <holycow> lol finally someone managed to get everyone excited about debian
[01:23] <LinuxJones> holycow, your a kde guy ?
[01:23] <holycow> nice work people
[01:24] <holycow> no i'm just happy with debian
[01:24] <LinuxJones> holycow, ahh
[01:24] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: we're like a plague ;)
[01:24] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, your not a kde guy ??
[01:24] <jnc> holycow: Ubuntu is seriously easy to use.   i love to tinker around, but Ubuntu ... doesn't need much tinkering
[01:24] <holycow> lol and ubuntu users seem to be as rabid as gentoo folks, which i think is a good thing, debian really needed a shot in the arm
[01:24] <LinuxJones> jnc, ;)
[01:24] <jnc> it works. beautifully.     (provided your hardware kicks ass)
[01:25] <jnc> i tried it on a few 64mb ram machines.  bad freaking idea.
[01:25] <WW> Actually, libranet got me started with debian.  But 2.8.1 is old...
[01:25] <holycow> jnc not really ... i've had gnome on 64 meg p300's
[01:25] <LinuxJones> WW, I used Libranet for a while
[01:25] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: I am :) My kde ranting all the time... ah yes.
[01:25] <jnc> with all respect to the KDE people, i like that Ubuntu is GNOME based
[01:25] <holycow> it's usable, obviously not speedy like a 3ghz cpu with a nice nvidia card but ... *shrug*
[01:25] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, I won't hold that against you pal :)
[01:26] <mjr> well, running gnome with 64 megs is surely possible, but not very pleasurable :)
[01:26] <WW> LinuxJones: I still have it on my laptop, but now my home computer is Ubuntu, and my office computer is sarge.
[01:26] <jnc> simply because it is so completely different from Mac or Windows
[01:26] <jnc> i mean, not reinventing the wheel different
[01:26] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: ;)
[01:26] <jnc> but the trash is not on the screen, there's no start menu
[01:26] <jnc> no crap that i am so sick of with windows
[01:26] <LinuxJones> WW, I found the compile kernel option in adminmenu usefull, I like not having to bother compiling kernels anymore :P
[01:27] <jnc> ugh! kernel compile.   those are fun
[01:28] <jnc> you do 50-60 of those and it's like, "okay, time to menuconfig.  i've got my cup of (drink liquid) and (snack food) ready.  let's go linux!"
[01:28] <LinuxJones> jnc, alot of bs getting things running on Debian a few years ago :)
[01:28] <speedy2782> what is your favorite money manager for Ubuntu?
[01:28] <jnc> LinuxJones: yes!
[01:28] <jnc> speedy2782: gnucash = new hottness
[01:28] <jnc> the learning curve is high if you don't know about accounting already
[01:28] <MMond> Instant messengers.. I'd like to use them in terminal, any that are offered at the present time?
[01:29] <jnc> MMond: good question
[01:29] <foreach> jnc - but learning gnucash can be done of course
[01:29] <gratuit> MMond: I know there is an AIM client made with ncurses
[01:29] <jnc> foreach: *i'm TRYING*
[01:29] <jnc> believe you me
[01:29] <LinuxJones> MMond, I don't know of any :)
[01:29] <mjr> MMond, well, for irc, irssi is good
[01:29] <sysrq> MMond: you can use bitlbee with any cli IRC client
[01:29] <foreach> jnc - I haven't started - I downloaded it a little bit, and well, I didn't have much luck
[01:29] <jnc> MMond: i was about to say, maybe not IM but for IRC i am using a combination of 'screen' and irssi
[01:30] <mjr> for jabber, there's imcom, which I happen to think sucks, but it is there :)
[01:30] <jnc> foreach: if you like, we can find someone who knows and work together
[01:30] <mjr> and cabber
[01:30] <foreach> jnc - That's real nice of ya. Sure thing.
[01:30] <holycow> as well, i might add that you guys have proven that debian could do very well with time based releases
[01:30] <gratuit> MMond: yeah, the aim client I was thinking of is called naim
[01:30] <holycow> your patched snapshots of debian on a regular interval is brilliant too
[01:31] <markybob> why does vmware require that it be run as root in ubuntu?  i've never had this problem with any other distro.  how can i allow normal users to run it in ubuntu?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> holycow, by the sounds of it the Debian guys are getting a little worried about folks leaving Debian for more up2date distros
[01:31] <crimsun> holycow: to be fair, libranet (and others) have been doing it for some time.
[01:31] <holycow> crimsun, true *nod*
[01:31] <holycow> LinuxJones, yeah, well they are comming here
[01:32] <holycow> and for good reason
[01:32] <Zepp> Why do i have to enter certain keys twice before they appear on screen like  key and ^
[01:32] <LinuxJones> holycow, supporting all of those architectures that .02 % of users actually use is a tremendous waste of resources
[01:33] <MMond> sorry about the delayed response, but I'm here now. irssi, yes, but other than IRC . . . perhaps AIM, yahoo, msn.. for strict CLI, and naim.. I'll check it out, thanks
[01:33] <holycow> LinuxJones, heh, there is the counter argument to that which is, not everyone uses the inferior x86 technology
[01:33] <holycow> >_>
[01:34] <LinuxJones> holycow, but mob rules :D
[01:34] <holycow> lol so true
[01:34] <jnc> LinuxJones: P.S.  say 'up2date' again and i fwap you with a harmless foam bat
[01:34] <Zepp> alot of people would say bothering with linux is a waste of resources when only like 1% or whatever of people use it
[01:34] <Zepp> :
[01:34] <Zepp> :/
[01:34] <gratuit> LinuxJones: then use windows?
[01:34] <LinuxJones> jnc, go ahead and give me a slap :)
[01:34] <jnc> :)
[01:34] <crimsun> up2date is a great alias for sudo apt-get update
[01:34] <jnc> *redfwap*
[01:34] <LinuxJones> gratuit, why would I want to do something like that ?
[01:35] <gratuit> LinuxJones: if the mob rules, then clearly it's better
[01:35] <Zepp> No one can answer my wierd keyboard problem?
[01:36] <SeeleyUSMC> Well, it turns out that ath_pci and ath_hal are loaded modules...but I don't know what to do now
[01:36] <jnc> Zepp: i didn't catch the question
[01:36] <LinuxJones> gratuit, x86 is cheap and works well for desktop stuff.
[01:36] <Zepp> Why do i have to enter certain keys twice before they appear on screen like  key and ^
[01:36] <gratuit> LinuxJones: in fact I do agree with you though, supporting 11 archs is a little overkill
[01:36] <jnc> Zepp: oh okay
[01:36] <jnc> i've seen that once before
[01:36] <jnc> sorry i don't know right away the cause of it
[01:36] <Zepp> hmmm
[01:36] <Zepp> :(
[01:37] <jnc> Warty?
[01:37] <iapx8088> [OT]  is ps a graphical format? I mean I don't see the search key in gnome-postscript
[01:37] <Zepp> Kubuntu hoary preview :P
[01:37] <mjr> iapx8088, it's generally not searchable
[01:37] <iapx8088> is it a lack of the program or it's impossibile to search a ps
[01:37] <iapx8088> mjr I suspected that.
[01:37] <mjr> though in special cases you may be able to get away with grepping the source ;)
[01:37] <iapx8088> mjr I see.
[01:38] <JDahl> iapx8088, in general you cannot search a PS since the text doesnt necessarily appear as strings in the document
[01:38] <iapx8088> another thing, did anyone try nerolinux
[01:38] <gratuit> iapx8088: well, with text recognition, it's possible to search any graphical format to some extent.... so there might be something out there that can
[01:38] <iapx8088> gratuit, I guess I'll simple print and ocr it  to sgml :)
[01:38] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: are you back yet?
[01:39] <WW> iapx8088: Maybe try ps2pdf or some other conversion first.
[01:39] <iapx8088> WW I'm trying
[01:40] <jnc> i have to ask, why is 'xpdf' used and not 'gpdf' ?
[01:40] <jnc> gpdf prints much easier
[01:41] <ikaro> gpdf its justa gui
[01:41] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: are you here?
[01:41] <jnc> is it!?
[01:42] <WW> jnc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/gpdf/view?searchterm=xpdf
[01:42] <crimsun> (yes, it is)
[01:42] <jnc> well then, why is it not installed by default i wonder
[01:42] <jnc> it is in 'restricted'
[01:42] <jnc> i don't understand
[01:42] <Zepp> So know one knows how to solve my wierd keyboard problem where have to hit button twice. damn
[01:42] <crimsun> restricted doesn't mean it's not installed by default
[01:42] <crimsun> remember linux-restricted-modules is installed by default
[01:42] <jnc> oh!
[01:42] <jnc> i am new, forgive me
[01:42] <jnc> and thanks
[01:43] <crimsun> np
[01:43] <jnc> i've been hacking away at linux 8 or 9 years now
[01:43] <jnc> still things suprise me when they are blindingly simple
[01:43] <iapx8088> hoary is just fine
[01:43] <iapx8088> I'm astonished
[01:43] <iapx8088> mhmmh
[01:43] <jnc> ^^^^^
[01:43] <jnc> :)
[01:44] <sysrq> jnc: I believe restricted implys restrictive a license
[01:44] <jnc> sysrq: i thought so
[01:44] <sysrq> *a restrictive license
[01:44] <jnc> however, it reads that gpdf lacks features
[01:44] <jnc> and that is why it was put into restrictive?
[01:44] <jnc> i don't know
[01:44] <odie5533> Why does ubuntu have so many programs running?
[01:44] <mjr> gpdf isn't in restricted, it's in universe
[01:44] <jnc> hardware detection maybe
[01:44] <jnc> oh
[01:44] <jnc> my mistake
[01:44] <crimsun> odie5533: compared with what, openbsd?
[01:44] <odie5533> windows!
[01:44] <jnc> it is in universe then
[01:45] <jnc> each program has a seperate memory space
[01:45] <jnc> if one dies, the others are not affected
[01:45] <crimsun> odie5533: most of those processes are essential to the function of your gnome/kde/desktop
[01:45] <jnc> yep
[01:45] <jnc> with windows, it's not really protected
[01:45] <LordGrunt> heya
[01:45] <jnc> one dies, and corrupts a block of memory with your sales report
[01:45] <jnc> you're stuck
[01:46] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, hi
[01:46] <jnc> ubuntu does not have trouble like this
[01:46] <LordGrunt> i want to remove nvidia packages from my system completely. but synaptic forces me to uninstall bunch of other things, like linux-386, linux-restricted-modules*** etc
[01:47] <LordGrunt> can i ?
[01:47] <kumicho> you mean the drivers for x?
[01:47] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, you can just not use them
[01:48] <LordGrunt> i *need* to *remove* these...
[01:48] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, can I ask why ?
[01:48] <LordGrunt> and stupid synaptic wants to remove kernel. argh
[01:48] <kumicho> yeah they may conflict
[01:48] <crimsun> LordGrunt: linux-386 is a metapackage, it's not _necessary_ to have it
[01:48] <crimsun> LordGrunt: same with ubuntu-desktop
[01:48] <LordGrunt> lemme type it all :)
[01:49] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone feel like trying to tackle the "SeeleyUSMC wireless network challenge"?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> Poor SeeleyUSMC, you have been battling with that the entire day :D
[01:50] <SeeleyUSMC> I'll survive...even if I have to do everything in windows i guess.
[01:50] <LordGrunt> when i install external nvidia drivers, which i need, cause these are better, then if an automatic update will happen, it will restore old nvidia packages. then, as i had such situation, everything using Gl, segfaults. so, you see, i need these packs removed
[01:50] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  hard to run 64 bit stuf on 32 bit hardware
[01:52] <Anubis> Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.
[01:52] <toni^> what was the command to mount iso image?
[01:52] <SeeleyUSMC> I've been researching ALL day since 0630 and now its 1652!!! GRRR!!!
[01:52] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, did you have any probles with hardware after your initial install ?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> *problems
[01:52] <crimsun> toni^: sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop some.iso /somemountpoint
[01:53] <toni^> crimsun: ty
[01:53] <LordGrunt> yeah, couldnt watch movies at all. was like slideshow, no hw accel at all
[01:53] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, what I am asking is do you need linux-restricted-modules for any of your other hardware ?
[01:53] <codyman> hi.. i am tring to uncomment the "restricted" packages located in the (K)ubuntu sources.list and when i uncomment them they result in a 404
[01:53] <Anubis> Rhythmbox 0.8.8
[01:53] <Anubis> my rhythmbox is borked
[01:53] <crimsun> Anubis: reproducible?
[01:53] <LordGrunt> LinuxJones: i dont care anymore, they just got removed ;)
[01:53] <Anubis> some gstreamer pad problems
[01:53] <Anubis> crimsun, very
[01:54] <Anubis> anytime I try to play anything
[01:54] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, it's fine to remove all of those other packages don't worry about it
[01:54] <foreach> codyman, what command did you run to get those 404's? apt-get update ?
[01:54] <codyman> foreach: yes
[01:54] <optiks> hi. I'm trying to get x running, and I keep getting 'no devices found' error .. I've ran the 'configurer' quite a few times and have had no luck ... my gfx card is a PCI-e nvidia 6600gt .. has anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?
[01:54] <foreach> hm
[01:54] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, just change your video driver to vesa in your x config file
[01:54] <codyman> foreach: if i uncomment them in the sources.list and run apt-get update i get 404 not found
[01:55] <LinuxJones> LordGrunt, oh yeah and remove the glx entry as well
[01:55] <Anubis> crimsun, Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug
[01:55] <crimsun> Anubis: does gst-launch-0.8 work? [man gst-launch-0.8, see the example usage at the end of the man page] 
[01:55] <LordGrunt> LinuxJones: i will use nvidia drivers, just these from nvidia site.
[01:55] <LordGrunt> brb
[01:55] <LinuxJones> k
[01:56] <Pyre> Nite
[01:56] <pinPoint> can i still play my Counter Strike in ubuntu?
[01:56] <pinPoint> :)
[01:56] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, I believe so
[01:56] <pinPoint> without much problems?
[01:57] <pinPoint> what apps? cedega?
[01:57] <optiks> pinPoint: you need wine/winex... I've found tha, personally, it doesn't run as nicely though.
[01:57] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, I don't run CS but I'm sure there are 1000 hits on google for it
[01:58] <PuNzIn[K] eE> hey does ubuntu work on SATA?
[01:58] <aspuru> I don't get a boot menu in LILO, how do I access it? (I have a second Windows partition in my laptop that I lost when installing ubuntu)
[01:58] <optiks> PuNzIn[K] eE: yes
[01:58] <^thehatsrule^> pinPoint, it runs fine, i tried cs1.3 long ago, worked just as fine
[01:59] <mjr> aspuru, ubuntu doesn't use lilo, but grub; you can get a grub menu with esc
[01:59] <aspuru> thanks mjr :)
[01:59] <LinuxJones> PuNzIn[K] eE, I seem to recall there being problems with grub on sata though.
[01:59] <aspuru> testing
[01:59] <aspuru> brb
[02:00] <SeeleyUSMC> Wow, #wireless is a REAL help...its practically dead in there
[02:00] <thenuke> maybe it is not helpdesk
[02:01] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: would you quickly recap what probs with wireless?
[02:01] <thenuke> or maybe it is not 24h helpdesk
[02:01] <Kate> hello
[02:01] <crimsun> hi
[02:01] <PuNzIn[K] eE> im looking for a distro that can work on sata. i tried suse but it cant detect my hard drive. im thinking of getting ubuntu but im not sure if it will work
[02:01] <codyman> what location would i add to my sources.list file for restricted/marilliat depositories FOR amd64 kubuntu
[02:01] <Kate> how is everyone?
[02:01] <crimsun> PuNzIn[K] eE: try array-7
[02:02] <^thehatsrule^> were fine fine ;p
[02:02] <optiks> PuNzIn[K] eE: it's working fine on my sata wd raptor
[02:02] <Kate> that good
[02:02] <ephemeral> why does Hoary not come with GNOME?
[02:02] <Kate> doesnt it?
[02:02] <^thehatsrule^> it should...
[02:02] <LinuxJones> ephemeral, sure it does
[02:02] <mjr> codyman, you might try http://debian.video.free.fr/
[02:02] <codyman> ephermal: it doesn't come with kde but it definately comes with gnome...
[02:03] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: My only connection to the Internet is wireless.  It works on windows which is what I'm using now.  ath_pci and ath_hal are loaded modules, hardware configure shows that I have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)...
[02:03] <codyman> mjr: thanks
[02:03] <^thehatsrule^> suse should work too... never used it tho
[02:03] <PuNzIn[K] eE> ok. thanks
[02:03] <geneo93> ephemeral:  because you got kubuntu
[02:03] <ephemeral> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso    << This came with KDE not GNOME
[02:03] <crimsun> PuNzIn[K] eE: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/
[02:03] <^thehatsrule^> O.o interesting
[02:03] <^thehatsrule^> maybe kde was only optimized for amd64?
[02:04] <ephemeral> it baffles me
[02:04] <Kate> at least you guys probably have real modems...
[02:04] <^thehatsrule^> what does array cd 7 mean?
[02:04] <Marble2> can someone help me? the timing with audio and video is off synch slightly in totem-xine. It's not just one file, it happens on any file I play
[02:04] <^thehatsrule^> oh... just 64-bit
[02:04] <ephemeral> ??
[02:04] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: it's just a snapshot of how the developement is going on ISO.
[02:05] <^thehatsrule^> oops
[02:05] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: So what happened?
[02:05] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, turn down the quality?
[02:05] <ephemeral> so why no GNOME on that ISO?
[02:05] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: how do I do that?
[02:05] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: does ,,ifconfig ath0'' return anything?
[02:06] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ifconfig didn't show anything else, lsmod showed ath_pci and ath_hal
[02:06] <pinPoint> ^thehatsrule^: thanks
[02:06] <^thehatsrule^> im not sure... havent used totem-xine before...
[02:06] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: there is no ath0
[02:06] <ephemeral> ?/
[02:06] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Darn
[02:06] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, is it a dvd?
[02:06] <pinPoint> crimsun: hello
[02:06] <Marble2> no
[02:06] <Marble2> avi file
[02:06] <crimsun> pinPoint: hi
[02:06] <^thehatsrule^> codec?
[02:06] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: And didyou see anything relevant in dmesg?
[02:06] <pinPoint> crimsun: i played with that nic and it never worked
[02:06] <pinPoint> thought it got active
[02:06] <crimsun> pinPoint: which nic?
[02:06] <optiks> hi. I'm trying to get x running, and I keep getting 'no devices found' error .. I've ran the 'configurer' quite a few times and have had no luck ... my gfx card is a PCI-e nvidia 6600gt .. has anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?
[02:06] <pinPoint> so im heading to best buy to get the G650 Dlink
[02:07] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I wrote somethings down that I saw in lsmod.  I didn't notice anything in all that dmesg stuff
[02:07] <aspuru> optiks, have you tried using the nv driver first?
[02:07] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: xvid I think
[02:07] <optiks> yep
[02:07] <^thehatsrule^> optiks, xorg?
[02:07] <aspuru> optiks: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or something like that?)
[02:07] <^thehatsrule^> oh nvm then... hehe
[02:07] <optiks> ^thehatsrule^: xf86
[02:08] <optiks> aspuru: that's correct, I've tried xf86config, too
[02:08] <^thehatsrule^> i read something of 6600gt on the forums
[02:08] <optiks> should I try xorg ?
[02:08] <optiks> it came with xf86 ... after installing ubuntu-desktop
[02:08] <^thehatsrule^> did you edit xf86config-4? thats executed first
[02:08] <daniels> optiks: are you running warty or hoary?
[02:08] <optiks> yeah ... there's not that much to edit though. everything looks fine.
[02:08] <optiks> warty
[02:08] <daniels> optiks: if you're running warty, then unfortunately that card is unsupported
[02:09] <daniels> it was released after warty was
[02:09] <optiks> crap !
[02:09] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, i know in windows, you can open a config for any codec... and change the quality
[02:09] <optiks> can I patch it somehow?
[02:09] <LinuxJones> optika, what video driver do you have selected ?
[02:09] <optiks> LinuxJones: nv
[02:09] <LinuxJones> optika, vesa might work
[02:09] <daniels> optiks: no, unfortunately; you can use vesa as LinuxJones selected, but only if you don't actually care about performance
[02:09] <^thehatsrule^> daniels, couldnt he just download a new driver from nvidia.com ?
[02:10] <optiks> I'm new to ubuntu ... from what I gather hoary is the sort of 'testing' version, is it fine to run though?
[02:10] <^thehatsrule^> (forgive me if that sounds stupid)
[02:10] <daniels> ^thehatsrule^: well, yeah, but I'm hesitant to recommend that since it often goes wrong
[02:10] <daniels> optiks: yeah, hoary is the release coming up, and array 7 is the current test cd
[02:10] <^thehatsrule^> oh? :/ twas fine on my other linux.. guess ubuntu is speshul :P
[02:10] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: presuming you're in the socal area?
[02:10] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: any ideas?  I've been at this for 10+ hours lol
[02:11] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: ugh, I just checked and it happens in any player I use
[02:11] <optiks> daniels: cool. so it's fine to run hoary though? as in it isn't totally development version :P
[02:11] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: I live on a Marine Corps base in Twentynine Palms, CA (by Palm Springs)
[02:11] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: (otherwise you may have needed to pass additional parameters to modprobe ath-pci if you're outside the USA)
[02:11] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Nothing just at the moment.  I'm cogitating, though.  Can't you smell the burning insulation? :-)
[02:11] <SeeleyUSMC> lol
[02:11] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, check the faq of the xvid driver?
[02:12] <^thehatsrule^> if not... htne you could manually redo the whole avi
[02:12] <IcedKiwi> hey DarthFrog, guess what? my 'modem' still doesnt work lol
[02:12] <Marble2> Ihm
[02:12] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: ok, bear with me, please lsmod|grep ^ati_pci
[02:12] <Marble2> maybe my codec is out of date
[02:12] <daniels> optiks: seems to work most of the time
[02:12] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: err, lsmod|grep ^ath_pci
[02:12] <^thehatsrule^> you sure your video is in sync?
[02:12] <IcedKiwi> its Kate
[02:12] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Both ath_pci and ath_hal are loading
[02:12] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: with what?
[02:13] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, if the video doesnt have that 'flag' rendered with it, on older hardware, video tends to be desynched with the audio
[02:13] <SeeleyUSMC> Let me see if my buddy will be kind enough to let me borrow his laptop again so I can chat and try this at the same time...brb
[02:13] <optiks> daniels: okay. I'll give that a go. pity I found this out after just waiting for the whole apt for desktop ;P
[02:13] <optiks> thanks a lot :)
[02:13] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: I'm not exactly using older hardware
[02:13] <optiks> I'll try the nvidia driver first though, there might be some hope left
[02:13] <DarthFrog> crimsun: The driver and firmware are loading but he's not seeing the ath0 interface.
[02:14] <IcedKiwi> i am :'(
[02:14] <daniels> optiks: heh
[02:14] <daniels> optiks: no worries -- good luck with it
[02:14] <daniels> DarthFrog: it's probably just not up
[02:14] <IcedKiwi> i need fuel. brb
[02:14] <crimsun> daniels: my thoughts as well, save ifconfig ath0 doesn't show anything
[02:15] <pinPoint> whats ath?
[02:15] <pinPoint> ath0
[02:15] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, maybe... is your video driver installed?
[02:15] <crimsun> don't know enough about atheros regarding whether its iface is always athX or if it can be ethX
[02:15] <^thehatsrule^> like new version, etc
[02:15] <pinPoint> ah
[02:15] <DarthFrog> daniels, crimsun: well, let's get him to "ifconfig ath0 up" next time. :-)
[02:15] <^thehatsrule^> maybe that can help
[02:15] <daniels> heh
[02:15] <crimsun> DarthFrog: yep, except see what I typed above :-)
[02:15] <daniels> ath won't start associating with anything until it's up
[02:16] <daniels> i've been caught out by that one a fair bit
[02:16] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: It's a wireless network interface.  For Atheros based wireless cards.
[02:16] <crimsun> daniels: ah!
[02:16] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Yeah, I know.
[02:16] <pinPoint> ah
[02:16] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, search for the xvid frontend then,if your video driver is fine
[02:16] <DarthFrog> daniels: Well, well, maybe it'll be that simple.
[02:16] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: I don't know about my video driver...
[02:17] <Marble2> I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200.
[02:17] <Marble2> I never installed any drivers
[02:18] <^thehatsrule^> oh... no video acceleration :/
[02:18] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: It's the same on divx files too
[02:18] <^thehatsrule^> tho its hard under linux, so i hear
[02:18] <Marble2> video acceleration?
[02:18] <optiks> argh. there's no development tools... (gcc, g++, cc, etc)... is there a package that installs all of them, or must they be installed individually? (tedious!)
[02:19] <mjr> umm, radeon 9200 does have free accelerated drivers
[02:19] <crimsun> optiks: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:19] <^thehatsrule^> yes... because you dont have the ati accelerated drivers installed
[02:19] <optiks> cheerio :D
[02:19] <^thehatsrule^> oh... so hes using it mjr?
[02:19] <Marble2> where do I get those drivers?
[02:19] <mjr> ^thehatsrule^, probably, since it comes out of the box with ubuntu
[02:20] <Anubis> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> heh then my fault... again ;p
[02:20] <Marble2> so uh
[02:20] <Marble2> what is wrong?
[02:20] <SeeleyUSMC> BRB
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> wonder if my radeon 7000 works ?
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> even better, lets find a list!
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[02:21] <^thehatsrule^> well uh, Marble2, maybe check http://ronald.vslcatena.nl/docs/xvidfaq.html#B8 ?
[02:21] <mjr> thenuke, should
[02:21] <mdz> 3d is supported out of the box on radeon 7000
[02:21] <Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: it's not just xvid files.
[02:21] <IcedKiwi> i have the opposite problem with my sound
[02:21] <^thehatsrule^> nice!
[02:21] <Marble2> other ones too
[02:21] <IcedKiwi> linux can use it, but windows can't
[02:21] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, well, you could go to each codec config, and degrade each one
[02:22] <^thehatsrule^> lol thats weird IcedKiwi
[02:22] <apokryphos> Would anyone have any idea why I can't get sound out of all my speakers (only two of 'em)? This is probably the one recurring problem I've had on ubuntu. It mucks up the bass etc.. :(
[02:22] <IcedKiwi> i know
[02:22] <Marble2> what would degrading it do
[02:22] <Marble2> would I lose quality?
[02:22] <IcedKiwi> with my 'modem' its a winmodem
[02:22] <Marble2> it seems like something else if it's a problem in every type of codec
[02:22] <apokryphos> Worked fine on previous distros (Fedora, Mandrake).
[02:22] <IcedKiwi> i cant get sound with windows, but it works fine with fedora
[02:22] <IcedKiwi> doesnt work with ubuntu
[02:23] <IcedKiwi> fedora
[02:23] <IcedKiwi> *fedora's installation was nice and pretty
[02:23] <jono> hi guys
[02:23] <IcedKiwi> hi
[02:23] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2... well i set mine to one notch lower... cant tell the difference, cept its smooth
[02:23] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[02:23] <optiks> IcedKiwi: they seem to pride themselves on their installer. it is very well made.
[02:23] <jono> hi LinuxJones :)
[02:23] <^thehatsrule^> mjr, Marble2, For most 3D requirements the system will work, but slowly unless you install the binary driver for your video card. See the BinaryDriverHowto for information on how to install binary drivers for your video card. This is true for at least ATI, NVIDIA, and 3dLabs cards.
[02:24] <^thehatsrule^> thats in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[02:24] <Marble2> thanks
[02:24] <Marble2> I'll do that
[02:24] <daniels> 3d labs have a binary driver?
[02:24] <jono> seems like the bugfix packages are coming thick and strong :)
[02:24] <^thehatsrule^> so it seems you should download a new version...
[02:24] <^thehatsrule^> dunno if 3dlabs does ;p
[02:24] <LinuxJones> jono, every 10 minutes it seems :0
[02:24] <jono> LinuxJones, :)
[02:25] <IcedKiwi> its very pretty
[02:25] <username> does ubuntu automatically install updates on a regular periodic basis?
[02:25] <jono> has any more work gone on with the hardware database?
[02:25] <mjr> ^thehatsrule^, well, that's a bit of an oversimplification
[02:25] <njan> username, no
[02:25] <odie5533> How do I download kde for ubuntu
[02:25] <njan> odie5533, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:25] <username> njan, oh
[02:25] <b_e_n_z> odie5533: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[02:25] <DarthFrog> odie: Use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop.
[02:25] <odie5533> njan, is that the same thing as this Kubuntu thing?
[02:25] <njan> username, you need to use synaptic or apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[02:26] <mjr> (though the binary drivers are probably faster for freely supported radeons too)
[02:26] <crimsun> odie5533: yes
[02:26] <LinuxJones> jono, you want to add that IRiver in there don't you :)
[02:26] <njan> odie5533, yup. kubuntu == ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop
[02:26] <geneo93> odie5533:  sudo apt-get install kde
[02:26] <drspin> ahhh --- what are my fstab options so that I can read/write to /dev/hda7 ??
[02:26] <jono> LinuxJones, heh :)
[02:26] <njan> drspin, what format is /dev/hda7 and do you want it mounted so anyone can read/write to it?
[02:26] <goxy> i have trouble with intel 536ep anybody knows solution
[02:26] <odie5533> so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install this: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php, well the KDE part?
[02:26] <ermo> mjr, could you clarify that?
[02:27] <drspin> njan: ext 2 and yes :)
[02:27] <LinuxJones> jono, can I get a preview of what's up for the next show ?
[02:27] <apokryphos> odie5533: see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingkde
[02:27] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.
[02:27] <jono> LinuxJones, all going well, an interview with Alan Cox for starters :)
[02:27] <odie5533> kk, (typing it in now ;D)
[02:27] <LinuxJones> jono, awesome
[02:27] <jono> LinuxJones, :)
[02:27] <mjr> ermo, how? The free DRI drivers support 3d acceleration for Radeons up to and including 9250, but ATI's proprietary offering probably is a bit faster (and supports later models).
[02:28] <jono> LinuxJones, you coming to LUGRadio Live?
[02:28] <mjr> 'course, I use the DRI
[02:28] <ermo> mjr, me too.
[02:28] <mdz> odie5533: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[02:28] <LinuxJones> jono, It's like 5 thousand miles away :P
[02:28] <LinuxJones> jono, maybe not that far
[02:28] <drspin> njan: ext2 and I want anyone to be able to r/w
[02:28] <njan> drspin, /dev/hda7       /mountpoint          ext2    umask=0,defaults        0       0
[02:28] <username> why would 'synaptic' and 'apt-get' have such cumbersome and non-descriptive names?
[02:28] <DarthFrog> mjr: if you can get the blasted thing working!  I fought for half the afternoon to get DRI working with my Radeon 9800 Pro.
[02:28] <jono> LinuxJones, so? heh, we have people coming from california, norway, france and other places :)
[02:28] <drspin> njan: thanks!
[02:29] <njan> username, because that's what the package maintainer has decided the package is called.
[02:29] <jono> LinuxJones, we are also doing paintball the day after :D
[02:29] <mdz> odie5533: if you install Ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, you get GNOME and KDE both.  If you install Kubuntu, you get only KDE.
[02:29] <IcedKiwi> why cant hardware and software live in perfect harmony?
[02:29] <njan> IcedKiwi, because the universe would explode.
[02:29] <ermo> mjr, how would one test that hypothesis? Or, rather, what programs would be good benchmarks?
[02:29] <odie5533> kk
[02:29] <ermo> mjr, you got me curious  :)
[02:29] <LinuxJones> jono, I am starting a little business and cash is tight atm but I would love to go )
[02:29] <njan> ermo, glxgears?
[02:29] <ermo> njan, that's one
[02:29] <username> njan, then the 'package maintainer' shouldn't be doing that part of the task.
[02:29] <mdz> ermo: the classic test is glxgears
[02:29] <jono> LinuxJones, no probs :)
[02:29] <jono> LinuxJones, what kind of business?
[02:29] <ermo> mdz, all right.
[02:29] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm on my friends laptop now, so fire away with suggestions
[02:29] <mjr> glxgears isn't really a good test (though it may be indicative of some differences)
[02:29] <^thehatsrule^> glxgears... hmm
[02:29] <IcedKiwi> njan, lol
[02:29] <njan> username, tbh, with a system setup with synaptic, the name of the package doesn't matter.
[02:30] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Do "ifconfigure ath0 up".
[02:30] <njan> username, you can search for what you need, and the package just has a description.
[02:30] <username> njan, of course it matters
[02:30] <mjr> I'd just see framerates in some 3d games
[02:30] <LinuxJones> jono, I'm going to produce Linux Instructional Videos
[02:30] <jono> LinuxJones, cool :)
[02:30] <LinuxJones> jono, the Ubuntu version will be free for download of course :)
[02:30] <goxy> i have trouble with intel 536ep
[02:30] <mjr> sleep now
[02:30] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Urk, make that "ifconfig ath0 up" :-)
[02:30] <ermo> mjr, precisely my thought. I wouldn't know what 3d game to use, though. It'd have to be shareware. Quake 3, perhaps.
[02:30] <njan> username, not really. 95% of the time the package name is the same as the name of the software, and for something like kubuntu-desktop, you either know you need it, ask, or look at the package description.
[02:30] <username> it needs to be called something akin to what it does.
[02:30] <njan> ermo, enemy territory! :)
[02:30] <crimsun> DragonFly: (and prepend sudo)
[02:30] <njan> ermo, free, and fun! :)
[02:30] <crimsun> err
[02:30] <jono> LinuxJones, awesome, let me know when its done and I will pimp it on the show :D
[02:30] <crimsun> DragonFly: sorry
[02:30] <LinuxJones> jono, i have to bust out my axe and get working on some music
[02:30] <IcedKiwi> im yahooing linux modem drivers as we speak
[02:31] <codyman> i have integrated speakers on my notebook and i also have a usb sound card hooked up.. i want my music to play through the usb card but its playing through the built in speakers... how can i switch it around?
[02:31] <^thehatsrule^> hehe njan, thats a great game :P
[02:31] <LinuxJones> jono, cool
[02:31] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: auth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[02:31] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: ath0, not auth0
[02:31] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, tell me about it :)
[02:31] <ermo> njan, maybe I'll try that. Any other suggestions?
[02:31] <SeeleyUSMC> lol
[02:31] <njan> ermo, yeah, the tc:elite mod for enemy territory, because it kicks serious ass.
[02:31] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: same thing
[02:31] <^thehatsrule^> njan: i still have it since i downloaded the first test version ;p
[02:31] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Darn.
[02:31] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, have you played tc:elite?
[02:31] <^thehatsrule^> YEA!
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> just played it earlier
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> in fact
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> today
[02:32] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, like?
[02:32] <jono> tc:elite?
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> yes!
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> LOVE!
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> <3
[02:32] <username> if 'synaptic' and 'apt-get' are the functional equivalent of the conventional 'Software Update', then 'Software Update' is the one I'd use when I think I might want to update my software.
[02:32] <ermo> njan, I'm more interested in benchmarking different engines. I mean, how else would I get an idea of which driver is the 'best'?
[02:32] <njan> jono, it's a free mod for enemy territory, which is free
[02:32] <njan> ermo, whichever one lets you have the most fun is the best :p
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> username, create your own aliases
[02:32] <ermo> njan, trouble is, I've gamed 3d games on linux.
[02:32] <jono> njan, cool - have you seen clan.lugradio.org? we have a clan of people who play ET regularly :)
[02:32] <ermo> njan, 'never gamed' actually
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> its true combat: elite, tce for short
[02:32] <username> thehatsrule - I can't go round doing that on everyone elses machines though
[02:33] <njan> jono, nope, but I'll take a look :)
[02:33] <jono> njan, :) cool I know they would welcome you to game with them
[02:33] <username> thehatsrule - there's little point in balkanising my own installation
[02:33] <^thehatsrule^> sure you can, then just use sh scripts
[02:33] <njan> jono, since I started playing tc:elite, though, my et has gone down the drain
[02:33] <^thehatsrule^> jono: lugradio?
[02:33] <jono> heh
[02:33] <Zepp> Does anyone know why i have to hit certain keys like  and ^ twice before they will appear on screen
[02:33] <^thehatsrule^> is that spanish or somehting? hehe
[02:34] <njan> jono, I used to be consistantly in the top 10% of most servers, now I'm about midway, because I've gotten bad (or good) habits from tc:elite
[02:34] <jono> ^thehatsrule^, it is a rather irreverent Open Source radio show I am with
[02:34] <jono> ^thehatsrule^, www.lugradio.org
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> lol... the ET radio freaks!
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[02:34] <jono> njan, shit! :(
[02:34] <njan> jono, things really annoy me, like in tc:elite you can fire whilst leaning around corners, and you can't in et. I've been killed loads of times as engineer trying to fire around corners and realising I couldn't
[02:34] <jono> ^thehatsrule^, huh?
[02:34] <ermo> njan, link?
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> engineer - use grenades ;p
[02:34] <username> the names of programs of open-source programs is a significant problem that needs attention.
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> lol j/k
[02:35] <njan> ermo, http://www.truecombat.com/intro.php
[02:35] <ermo> njan, thx
[02:35] <codyman> njan: truecombat is great i've been playing it since the quake 3    .45 build days
[02:35] <username> it would seem that the people in charge of making open source programs are by and large, quite bad at conceiving viable names for the product.
[02:35] <njan> codyman, I'm told that tc:elite is quite different from the q3 mod, but I've never played the q3 version :)
[02:36] <jono> back in a bit...
[02:36] <codyman> njan: yeah its different... the graphics are obviously superb in elite and also its freeeee
[02:36] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:36] <njan> username, you write an oss package, you get to name it :p
[02:36] <^thehatsrule^> cant wait until ET has Urban Terror too!
[02:36] <njan> codyman, :)
[02:36] <username> njan, then that's a weak spot
[02:36] <njan> username, I don't think so.
[02:36] <Anubis> crimsun, I'm too stupid to use that cmd it seems
[02:36] <njan> username, I can't think of any way in which it's detrimental to anyone.
[02:36] <codyman> thehatsrule: yeah how's et ut coming?
[02:36] <Anubis> does anyones rythmbox work fine?
[02:36] <username> njan, well, yes. Almost all the names of open source products are incredibly badly thought out.
[02:37] <Anubis> can mplayer be apt-gotten yet?
[02:37] <gratuit> username: or with the GPL, you can actually go out, rename every program you want to, and distribute it under the different names
[02:37] <^thehatsrule^> well, they arent releasing yet... read some progress early this year
[02:37] <njan> gratuit, :)
[02:37] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[02:37] <codyman> username: actually enemy territory originally wasn't going to be open source its just that the company making it abandoned it
[02:37] <username> gratuit, but that really doesn't solve the problem, does it.
[02:37] <njan> username, I don't think the name has much bearing on the package.
[02:37] <username> njan, of course it does
[02:37] <^thehatsrule^> its really a great game
[02:37] <IcedKiwi> ok
[02:37] <njan> username, take apache. Apache is *the* most widely deployed OSS package, probably. In what way does the name 'apache' possibly relate to a web server?
[02:37] <username> njan, how do people know what it does otherwise?
[02:37] <njan> username, and in what way is firefox a web browser?
[02:37] <^thehatsrule^> codyman, they just abandoned the single player part, so they released it for free
[02:38] <gratuit> username: I'm not sure I see a problem, are there any specific examples?
[02:38] <njan> username, firefox has a *HUGE* number of users
[02:38] <codyman> thehatsrule: yeah but who needs single player???  anti-social??
[02:38] <codyman> :-)
[02:38] <DarthFrog> njan: I presume you know the origin of the name Apache?
[02:38] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:38] <username> gratuit, well, the specific examples I've already related are 'synaptic' and 'apt-get'
[02:38] <^thehatsrule^> apache helicopters?
[02:38] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: What about NdisWrapper?
[02:38] <IcedKiwi> please dont hurt me for asking this, but why do people use firefox?
[02:38] <njan> DarthFrog, nope, which is probably more appropriate in this case, since with relevance to this particular argument, if you know where the name comes from, you necessarily know what the package does :)
[02:38] <username> gratuit, compared to the conventional 'Software Update'
[02:38] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: There's another option.
[02:39] <^thehatsrule^> IcedKiwi, i use it for extensive browsing... its fast when its loaded
[02:39] <codyman> DarthFrog: figured out ndiswrapper... works great now.. only thing is i have to retype in my WEP key everytime i reboot
[02:39] <njan> IcedKiwi, a) free, b) secure(r), c) extensible
[02:39] <gratuit> ah, synaptic I see, but how is 'advanced packaging tool'-get bad?
[02:39] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[02:39] <IcedKiwi> i havent used a mozilla product for about a year now
[02:39] <DarthFrog> Codyman: Excellent!  Really glad to hear it.
[02:39] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: thats where I'm at :)
[02:39] <username> gratuit, no, it's called 'apt-get', not 'advanced packaging tool-get'
[02:39] <njan> IcedKiwi, what do you use for linux web browsing?
[02:39] <aquarius> My machine doesn't seem to be loading the modules in /etc/modules on boot. Is the list of stuff that prints out on startup logged anywhere? (i.e., things that happen from /etc/init.d, not early startup which is available from dmesg.)
[02:39] <gratuit> username, it's an acronym
[02:39] <IcedKiwi> i had to reinstall windows and i downloaded opera for something different
[02:40] <iapx8088> uh
[02:40] <njan> IcedKiwi, opera isn't free. If it were, I'd use it.
[02:40] <username> gratuit, and who cares how advanced the packaging tool is - it should describe what it does
[02:40] <iapx8088> happy you
[02:40] <IcedKiwi> im using it and i didnt pay for it
[02:40] <njan> IcedKiwi, for some of us, the philosophy behind a software package is as important as how good it is at what it does :)
[02:40] <gratuit> it 'gets' packages
[02:40] <njan> IcedKiwi, that doesn't make it free.
[02:40] <IcedKiwi> i guess
[02:40] <DarthFrog> njan: Well, it started off as the NCSA web server code. It had lots of patches applied to it. It was known as "A patchy web server". ;-)
[02:40] <username> but 'Software Update' tells you what it does, normally.
[02:41] <codyman> so.. how can i bypass my integrated notebook soundcard and make my usb one work?
[02:41] <IcedKiwi> i used to use mozilla but it messed up too much
[02:41] <crimsun> Anubis: come again?
[02:41] <njan> DarthFrog, I knew it started out with NCSA, but I didn't know that specifically. That's actually quite funny :)
[02:41] <gratuit> but now I'm just being difficult, but if every program that did that sort of thing were called Software Update, how would I tell if I was using an rpm, or .deb based distro?
[02:41] <Anubis> crimsun, the cmd to play a music file
[02:41] <IcedKiwi> the main things for me are tabbed browsing and uncrashabiltiy
[02:41] <odie5533> is there a way to start kde like using the [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [F1]  then typing something?
[02:41] <DarthFrog> gratuit: For most folks, it simply shouldn't matter.
[02:41] <odie5533> so I still have gnome open here
[02:41] <username> gratuit, doesn't matter - who cares - if it's that advanced, it sorts it out for you
[02:41] <sirukin> hmm
[02:42] <Anubis> crimsun, is there another app that uses gstreamer for me to check its functionailit
[02:42] <sirukin> how would I apt-get everything I need for web development?
[02:42] <njan> odie5533, you can start a second instance of gdm or startx -- :1 if you have kde set to start in .xinitrc
[02:42] <sirukin> such as, php, apache, mysql, etc
[02:42] <njan> odie5533, it'll open on tty8, assuming you're on tty7 now.
[02:42] <sirukin> err
[02:42] <username> gratuit, when I use Software Update, all I need to know is that it's found some updated software (or not) and it gets on and does it. I don't need to know how or why.
[02:42] <odie5533> So I type startx --:1 in any the normal terminal here?
[02:43] <njan> odie5533, no, in a real terminal.. Ctrl-Alt-F1, logon, do it there.
[02:43] <sirukin> I don't neccesarily mean that as much as, <sirukin> Do the universe repositories hold php-hardened, as well as mod_security?
[02:43] <njan> odie5533, but only if you have kde set to startup in .xinitrc
[02:43] <odie5533> I dont think I do
[02:43] <odie5533> I set default as gnome...
[02:43] <njan> odie5533, otherwise, you need to start gdm, and I think gdm takes the standard x arguments, but I'm not sure.. sec..
[02:43] <odie5533> any other way to run kde?
[02:44] <njan> odie5533, hmm.. or maybe you can't. I'd just stick it in .xinitrc and startx -- :1
[02:44] <apokryphos> odie5533: are you not using kdm?
[02:44] <njan> username, in which case, how would you differentiate between, say, xterm, eterm, gnome-terminal, and kterm?
[02:44] <odie5533> I am using gdm
[02:45] <sirukin> nvm
[02:45] <njan> username, terminal emulator 1, terminal emulator 2, terminal emulator 3, terminal emulator 4?
[02:45] <odie5533> and I have gdm as default
[02:45] <njan> apokryphos, he wants to start kdm in another X session alongside gnome.
[02:45] <njan> s/kdm/kde/
[02:45] <username> njan, good point. I don't need to. If I need to type something into the terminal, I just need a terminal - not some assortment of different flavours of the same thing.
[02:45] <njan> username, which is why distributions provide, by default, a package for anything the user needs to do, on a standard desktop install.
[02:46] <gratuit> username: but they arn't the same, some are geared for speed, others for eyecandy, there are many differences between them
[02:46] <njan> username, what you have to understand is, most people who use ubuntu as a desktop replacement OS, have everything they need off the default install. Office packages, IM, e-mail client, browser.
[02:46] <jintxo> odie5533, try this, run a plain X server (in a terminal X :1 &) and then export DISPLAY=localhost:1 and startkde from the same terminal
[02:46] <username> njan, but that's no different to what I'm used to.
[02:46] <njan> username, if you need something else, you want to pick the package for it. People don't just buy a photo editor because it's a photo editor. They buy photoshop because it's photoshop.. or paintshop pro beacuse it's paintshop pro. You can't just make those choices for them.
[02:47] <^thehatsrule^> hey njan, wanna play a few rounds?
[02:47] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, sure thing
[02:47] <^thehatsrule^> tce or et, tis fine
[02:47] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, tce ;)
[02:47] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, wherebouts are you?
[02:47] <^thehatsrule^> somehow ETF was ok... nothing speshul
[02:47] <^thehatsrule^> US
[02:47] <^thehatsrule^> you?
[02:47] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, sec, lemme see if I can find a good server on the east coast
[02:47] <^thehatsrule^> k
[02:47] <username> njan, I think you can. I think you can make educated choices for people which gives them a head start. To lay everything out on a table and say 'you choose' when all you've got to go on is an assortment of meaningless names is actually worse than no choice at all.
[02:48] <akk> Any installer people around?
[02:48] <^thehatsrule^> tho im visiting a coupla places
[02:48] <^thehatsrule^> so heres temporary ;p
[02:48] <^thehatsrule^> installer ppl?...
[02:48] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, EU, but my ADSL connection is peered in london, so I get ~ok connections to NY
[02:49] <username> what makes people think that the user would be the most qualified to make a choice, rather than the system's creators?
[02:49] <akk> I'm having trouble with the hoary installer ... wanted to check with someone before filing a bug.
[02:49] <njan> username, that's why synaptic displays things in categories.
[02:49] <gratuit> username: have you tried gnome-app-install?
[02:49] <username> njan, that's assuming the user has found their way to 'synaptic' in the first place
[02:49] <username> gratuit, no, never heard of it
[02:49] <^thehatsrule^> njan alright, actually UK servers, i can get 125-150 ping if its good
[02:49] <njan> username, it's quite obvious where/what synaptic is. Especially if they've read the ubuntu documentation
[02:49] <aquarius> what's /proc/ksyms? Should it exist in a warty system?
[02:50] <username> njan, no it's not.
[02:50] <mdke> OMG http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=85801&_LOC=UK
[02:50] <njan> username, I've just setup my wife, who has no prior experience with linux at all, with ubuntu, and she found it straight away.
[02:50] <gratuit> well, if you're running ubuntu/gnome, it's under system tools, add/Remove Programs
[02:50] <username> njan, maybe if they've read the documentation, maybe, but seriously, who's going to read the documentation? What a waste of time.
[02:50] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[02:50] <^thehatsrule^> everyone reads docs...
[02:50] <njan> but seriously, who's going to read the documentation? What a waste of time. <= anyone who wants to learn how to use the operating system?
[02:51] <njan> the same people who actually read school textbooks because they actually want to learn to add up, and speak foreign languages..
[02:51] <mdke> mmmm internet enabled microwaves...
[02:51] <gratuit> username: it may be more to your liking, so you can at least recommend it to people
[02:51] <username> njan, I don't want to learn how to use an operating system. I simply want to use it. I want it to learn how I would use it.
[02:51] <njan> you can't compensate for laziness.
[02:51] <njan> username, and hoary afaik includes a tray-based update notifier for precisely that reason.
[02:51] <odie5533> I tried X :1 and it froze my comp =/
[02:51] <njan> username, but you can't just make choices for people too lazy to pick one of three IM clients.
[02:51] <username> no, it's not laziness (or maybe it is, but get real - people are lazy). It's natural.
[02:52] <^thehatsrule^> njan, username, thats why i use trillian on windows ;p
[02:52] <username> njan, yes you can - you can make choices for exactly that kind of person. Informed choices.
[02:52] <jintxo> odie5533, it worked ok for me (just tried it) I have an nvidia card
[02:52] <gratuit> how do I change my gnome default apps for arbtrary file types?
[02:52] <username> thehatsrule - I wouldn't know - I've never really used Windows yet.
[02:52] <odie5533> same
[02:52] <aquarius> gratuit: right-click a file of the type and look at Open With.
[02:53] <gratuit> aquarius: what if I don't have any files of that type at this time?
[02:53] <username> making choices for people (if you're good at it) is not to be viewed as a restriction - it's an aid.
[02:53] <^thehatsrule^> username, well im pretty sure theres something similar to it in linux
[02:53] <aquarius> gratuit: don't know. On the other hand, if you don't have any, why do you need to set the association?
[02:53] <njan> ^thehatsrule^, I can't find any servers at all with players in EU using xqf :/.. sec
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> xqf?
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> x query force?
[02:54] <username> thehatsrule - perhaps, but as I don't know what you're talking about in the first place, I now further won't know what you're referring to in linux either.
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:54] <gratuit> aquarius: for the future
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> 20:51| <njan> username, but you can't just make choices for people too lazy to pick one of three IM clients.
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> referring to that
[02:54] <username> ah - im clients. I see.
[02:54] <aquarius> gratuit: I think it's in gconf somewhere, but I wouldn't swear to it.
[02:54] <mdke> username, you the guy from #gentoo?
[02:54] <^thehatsrule^> njan: want to to find one?
[02:54] <username> mdke - yes
[02:54] <mdke> hi
[02:55] <username> mdke, but I'm not as smart here as I seem there
[02:55] <mdke> lol
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> mdke.user ? O.o
[02:55] <mdke> inventive huh
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> ;p
[02:55] <odie5533> when I do X :1
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> sounds like mandrake... heh
[02:55] <odie5533> it takes me to a gray screen
[02:55] <odie5533> with an X for a mouse
[02:55] <mdke> ^thehatsrule^, yeah i've had that before
[02:55] <username> mdke, here I take on the persona of one who has just come to linux, not as is the reality, one who has been running linux for 5 years
[02:55] <mdke> they are my initials
[02:56] <mdke> username, how come?
[02:56] <^thehatsrule^> ;p
[02:56] <aquarius> Hurm. So, /etc/init.d/modutils depends on /proc/ksyms, but /proc/ksyms is deprecated and not in 2.6 kernels. Is this a bug, or has it been fixed in hoary?
[02:56] <Marble2> I get this error when I go to system -> prefs -> screen res: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to display size are not avalible"
[02:56] <Marble2> how do I fix this? I want to change my screen res
[02:56] <jintxo> odie5533, so then use ctrl-alt fX to go back to the original terminal you ran X from and export DISPLAY=localhost:1, that should make you able to run x progrmas on the X server you just ran
[02:56] <username> mdke, because I got fed up with gentoo - it occurred to me that I've become totally unproductive and all my time is spent making the bloody computer work instead of it allowing me to do my own work.
[02:57] <crimsun> aquarius: both warty and hoary {will} ship with a 2.6 kernel
[02:57] <SeeleyUSMC> I have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg card internal to my Sony VAIO laptop, running Ubuntu Linux (Hoarty Preview) on the 2.6.10-4 kernel with ndsiwrapper ver. 0.12+1.0rc2-1 and I can't get a connection to the Internet.  What do I need to do?
[02:57] <mdke> username, but howcome the new persona here?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> username, your in the right place then :)
[02:57] <andrewski> where do i set the configuration for hdparm?
[02:57] <aquarius> crimsun: yep. So does /etc/init.d/modutils requiring /proc/ksyms, which isn't in 2.6 kernels, count as a bug?
[02:57] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, have you thrown holy water on it?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> Poor SeeleyUSMC :(
[02:57] <JDahl> I thought Ubuntu didnt use a root account, but when I installed Hoary preview a root account was created...
[02:58] <SeeleyUSMC> mdke: I'm about to lol
[02:58] <mdke> andrewski, /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:58] <username> mdke, because I'm not convinced that open source and linux is actually beneficial, while it simultaneously becomes more secular and caters for it's own creators rather than real people.
[02:58] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, no seriously
[02:58] <Marble2> anyone?
[02:58] <andrewski> mdke: aw, duh. :P
[02:58] <crimsun> aquarius: it requires /proc/ksyms? It doesn't do so on my Warty or Hoary boxes.
[02:58] <LinuxJones> username, how can you say that ?
[02:58] <LinuxJones> username, that's just Gentoo beating you down
[02:58] <username> LinuxJones, easy - I open up my ibook and type it. See.
[02:59] <mdke> gentoo caters for a certain userbase
[02:59] <mdke> i don't think its that hard to make work anyway
[02:59] <mdke> i'm a pretty rubbish linux user
[02:59] <username> gentoo caters for people obsessed with speed stripes - it exists for all the wrong reasons.
[02:59] <aquarius> crimsun: line 9 in my /etc/init.d/modutils: [ -f /proc/ksyms ]  || exit 0
[02:59] <LinuxJones> username, Gentoo is not a desktop Operating System !!
[02:59] <mdke> username, no way
[02:59] <Marble2> I get this error when I go to system -> prefs -> screen res: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to display size are not avalible" How do I fix this, I want to change my screen res :(
[02:59] <mdke> username, its about control, not minor speed increases
[03:00] <username> but linux itself is blatantly showing itself to be incapable of learning the big lessons.
[03:00] <crimsun> aquarius: no, it's not a bug, why?
[03:00] <mdke> username, well that's as maybe
[03:00] <crimsun> aquarius: what if you had to boot a 2.4 kernel on that box?
[03:00] <mdke> but you are making unrelated statements
[03:00] <username> true
[03:00] <mdke> but then it is 2 am
[03:00] <username> also true
[03:00] <aquarius> crimsun: ok, but that means that modules listed in /etc/modules don't get loaded if you boot a 2.6 kernel.
[03:00] <username> News24 again!
[03:01] <crimsun> Marble2: use ctrl+alt+- or ctrl+alt++
[03:01] <mdke> heh
[03:01] <crimsun> aquarius: they do get loaded.
[03:01] <SeeleyUSMC> Hey, if I have the same chipset as another vendor, does it matter or not?
[03:01] <mdke> aquarius, ?? sure they do
[03:01] <crimsun> the machine I'm sshed into is testament to that, heh
[03:01] <Marble2> crimsun: when?
[03:01] <aquarius> crimsun: what loads them? I'm puzzled.
[03:01] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, no, you need the driver for the chipset
[03:01] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, some are tricky tho ;(
[03:01] <GammaRay> username: why should free software be the whipping boy to people don't see the same values in the same freedoms? why should freedom cater to anyone but those who see the value in it?
[03:02] <crimsun> Marble2: if you're trying to change resolutions, use ctrl+alt++ or ctrl+alt+-
[03:02] <LinuxJones> username, I think you have to re-install Windows to get regain your appreciation of Linux
[03:02] <Marble2> it doesn't work
[03:02] <aquarius> crimsun: I have apm in /etc/modules, and it's not loaded when the machine boots. "modprobe apm" works fine when I do it myself, though.
[03:02] <crimsun> Marble2: which graphics driver?
[03:02] <username> LinuxJones, I've never used windows
[03:02] <Marble2> uh... X
[03:02] <LinuxJones> username, install it then :)
[03:02] <SeeleyUSMC> mdke: but the chipset is the same, only different vendor
[03:02] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, yeah
[03:02] <username> LinuxJones, no, I don't think it'd get on well with this iBook
[03:03] <crimsun> Marble2: X Window System requires a graphics device driver, which does your machine use?
[03:03] <mdke> someone with an atheros help SeeleyUSMC !!!
[03:03] <Marble2> i have no clue
[03:03] <Marble2> how do I check
[03:03] <SeeleyUSMC> lol
[03:03] <crimsun> Marble2: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[03:03] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, ok i'll try then
[03:03] <Marble2> I just used the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto guide to get my audo and video syncing and I had to mess with xorg.conf and now it doesnt work
[03:03] <Marble2> hoary
[03:03] <jintxo> odie5533, come to think of it it0s kinda cool to have xfce on one X server and gnome on the other
[03:03] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, what do these commands tell you:
[03:03] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, "ifconfig"
[03:04] <crimsun> Marble2: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |tail -1
[03:04] <SeeleyUSMC> mdke: eth0 and lo
[03:04] <username> anyway - got to go to sleep. More trolling another time, eh?
[03:04] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, i take it eth0 isn't your wifi card?
[03:04] <Marble2>     Driver          "fglrx"
[03:04] <mdke> whoa
[03:05] <crimsun> Marble2: so you're using the binary-only ATI driver
[03:05] <Marble2> I guess
[03:05] <Marble2> yea
[03:05] <crimsun> Marble2: what resolution currently?
[03:05] <Marble2> 1024x1080 or something
[03:05] <Marble2> default ubuntu res
[03:05] <SeeleyUSMC> mdke: no.  There is a standard NIC in the laptop as well
[03:05] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, ok
[03:05] <Marble2> I like it, but I can't run a high refresh rate at this res
[03:06] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, ok i can't help you then, you need someone familiar with the atheros driver
[03:06] <mdke> :(
[03:06] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: just to check, is the wireless adapter enabled in bios?
[03:06] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: how do you check that?
[03:06] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: check in bios to see if it's enabled
[03:06] <crimsun> (when you boot)
[03:06] <mdke> i'm out too
[03:06] <mdke> gd night
[03:06] <pinPoint> should i plug it while booting
[03:06] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: I'll check in a sec
[03:07] <asdqwe> Hi guys... Im having a bit of a problem with something.. Im trying get my wireless config going, although when i list iwconfig and ifconfig, I have eth1 listed for both the ethernet card and wireless card... is this unusual?
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[03:08] <crimsun> aquarius: look in /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
[03:09] <fisch_> hello i have a problem... after actualisation of hoary the mousepointer doesnt move
[03:09] <Marble2> crimsun: any ideas?
[03:09] <fisch_> (sorry for my bad english...)
[03:09] <crimsun> Marble2: please post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.ca
[03:10] <aquarius> crimsun: no such file. hm. apt-get --reinstall install module-init-tools hasn't recreated it, either. How can I get it back? It's in dpg --listfiles module-init-tools.
[03:11] <Marble2> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7775
[03:11] <crimsun> aquarius: unpack the deb using dpkg-deb, then copy it over manually
[03:11] <Diablo-D3> hey people
[03:11] <fisch_> can someone help me?
[03:11] <Diablo-D3> Im trying to install ubuntu on a machine that only has ... get this... 32 megs of memory
[03:12] <Diablo-D3> and its a laptop
[03:13] <pinPoint> hey have a DWL G650 Hotplugged and booted. how do I start it up?
[03:13] <asdqwe> Diablo-D3: Wouldnt DamnSmallLinux be a better idea for a machine spec like that?
[03:13] <johnnybezak> Diablo-D3: are you masochistic :P
[03:13] <pinPoint> a wireless nic
[03:13] <Diablo-D3> asdqwe: isnt DSL only a livecd distro?
[03:14] <asdqwe> can anyone point me to a good tutoria/howto on ubuntu wireless config??
[03:14] <asdqwe> Diablo: Nah, DSL can be installed onto your hdd.. go check out their site, its got a howto on it http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[03:14] <aquarius> crimsun: that should be OK. Cheers for the help.
[03:14] <madstop> hello.  #kubuntu has been taken over by esperanto speakers.  So here I am.
[03:14] <crimsun> aquarius: np
[03:14] <pinPoint> asdqwe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9454
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> asdqwe: Im installing this for a newbie
[03:15] <Marble2> crimsun: see anything wrong with it?
[03:15] <pinPoint> how do i bring up my new card thats hotplugged
[03:15] <pinPoint> wireless nic?
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> asdqwe: once I get it installed, I should be fine
[03:15] <gratuit> where is esperanto actually spoken?
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> garrut: nowhere
[03:16] <Diablo-D3> garrut: its a manufactured language
[03:16] <asdqwe> thanks pinpoint, although, i dont think I need to use the NDis wrapper.. its detected my card (prism I), im having probs getting the iwconfig stuff down
[03:16] <crimsun> Marble2: you have some agp warnings
[03:16] <crimsun> Marble2: please post the output of lsmod
[03:16] <daniels> Diablo-D3: i believe small-memory installs are currently broken.
[03:16] <pinPoint> ah
[03:16] <madstop> gratuit, , it's what folks used to learn before Klingon was invented.
[03:16] <pinPoint> i have a card thats supposed to be detected...
[03:17] <pinPoint> just dont know how to start it up now since i just got it
[03:17] <Marble2> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7776
[03:17] <Diablo-D3> daniels =/
[03:17] <Diablo-D3> and yes, it does say entering low memory mode
[03:17] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: you could do the manual method that I used with the Warty preview: as soon as the partitioning udebs have been unpacked, switch to a busybox shell on alt+F2 and create a swap partition, then mount it
[03:17] <asdqwe> ppoint: I have an ethernet nic and 802.11b card... and it seems that both are listed under eth1 in iw/ifconfig... is that a problem???
[03:17] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: it doesnt even get that far
[03:18] <Diablo-D3> I think loading pcmcia stuff screws the pooch
[03:18] <Diablo-D3> wait wait
[03:18] <Diablo-D3> it seems to have booted this time
[03:18] <DigitalStatic> Anyone had any success with upgrading from Warty to Hoary using apt-get?
[03:18] <WW> Hello, world.
[03:18] <crimsun> DigitalStatic: yes, I try it every couple days
[03:18] <Diablo-D3> I wish this thing had a network card though
[03:19] <WW> Any subversion gurus out there?
[03:19] <Diablo-D3> okay, this thing freaks out on lvmcfg-utils
[03:19] <Diablo-D3> it keeps telling me its entering low memory mode
[03:20] <DigitalStatic> crimsun: Thanks for the info, Hoary stable enough for day to day use?
[03:20] <Diablo-D3> and then tries to unpack/load/whatever that package
[03:20] <crimsun> DigitalStatic: yes
[03:20] <Diablo-D3> and tells me its entering low memory mode.... and tries to... and tells me... </infiniteloop>
[03:20] <DigitalStatic> crimsun:  XFree to Xorg part of the upgrade cause any issues?  I am worried about that with my ATI card
[03:20] <Diablo-D3> DigitalStatic: it should improve performance
[03:21] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: I'm fairly certain by that point the partitioning udeb(s) have been unpacked, but I haven't tried it since the Warty preview
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: hrm
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: does ubuntu have a partition editor?
[03:21] <daniels> DigitalStatic: it's fine
[03:21] <maxchee> ogra: can you have a look at this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7860
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: because I need to repartition the drive
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> qtparted?
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> parted?
[03:21] <daniels> DigitalStatic: i've been using xorg daily on numerous ati cards for months now
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> I use xorg on my ati card as well
[03:22] <Marble2> crimsun: anything?
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu's xorg, infact
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> (which runs great on debian sid)
[03:22] <crimsun> Marble2: read what I said regarding the agp warnings
[03:22] <DigitalStatic> Should I uninstall the ATI drivers before I apt-get dist-upgrade?   would I be better off burning the Hoary CD and just installing from scratch?
[03:22] <crimsun> DigitalStatic: they'll upgrade just fine
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> DigitalStatic: r200 or r300?
[03:23] <WW> I would like to set up a subversion repository on a computer running debain sarge, with version 1.1 of svn.  The version of svn on warty is 1.0.6.  Are they compatible?
[03:23] <DigitalStatic> Diablo-D3 r300 i think, Radeon 9800 Pro
[03:23] <Diablo-D3> r300.
[03:23] <andril> hello all again
[03:23] <WW> s/debain/debian/  (but you knew that)
[03:23] <Marble2> crimsun: I know I have some... I pasted the link to the output of lsmod
[03:23] <andril> Does anyone know how to share a folder over the network?
[03:23] <Diablo-D3> DigitalStatic: I dont know if the ati binary drivers work with xorg
[03:24] <maxchee> Are there any MOTU who is willing to look at this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7860
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> Im lucky enough not to need them
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> Hrm.
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: no partitioning tools are installed
[03:24] <crimsun> maxchee: couple secs.
[03:24] <andril> Basically I want to make a folder in Ubuntu visable via my network
[03:25] <DigitalStatic> Thanks for the feedback folks
[03:26] <crimsun> Marble2: what's using nvidia_agp?
[03:26] <pinPoint> my nic is Atheros based
[03:26] <pinPoint> from D-link
[03:26] <Marble2> I dunno.. nothing. I don't have a nividia graphics card...
[03:27] <pinPoint> anyone please tell me the necessary steps to starti it up
[03:27] <gratuit> pinPoint: there are instructions on the ndiswrapper website I think
[03:28] <crimsun> Marble2: nforce-based motherboard, perhaps?
[03:28] <pinPoint> i still have to use ndiswrapper???
[03:28] <pinPoint> what!
[03:28] <Marble2> yes in fact
[03:28] <Marble2> nForce2
[03:28] <Marble2> i moved nivia.ko out of /etc/X11
[03:28] <Marble2> would that mess up the resolution settings?
[03:28] <andril> anybody????
[03:28] <gratuit> pinPoint: there is a module out there I think, but I'm not sure how mature it is
[03:28] <Marble2> andril: samba
[03:28] <Diablo-D3> is kubuntu a seperate distro?
[03:28] <pinPoint> module?
[03:29] <andril> I installed samba
[03:29] <gratuit> pinPoint: someone has writen a native driver
[03:29] <gratuit> pinPoint: but I don't know how far along it is, I use ndiswrapper, and it works quite well
[03:29] <pinPoint> with a dlink gratuit
[03:30] <gratuit> yeah, I forget the exact model number, but it is atheros based
[03:30] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: yes
[03:30] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: it just uses the same base as Ubuntu
[03:31] <pinPoint> the card is listed in lsmod
[03:31] <pinPoint> there must be a way to get it up
[03:31] <crimsun> maxchee: uname -m
[03:31] <pinPoint> madwifi?
[03:31] <pinPoint> where and how?
[03:32] <mdz> pinPoint: the madwifi drivers are installed by default, and work out of the box with my card
[03:32] <mdz> pinPoint: what model do you have?
[03:32] <pinPoint> DWL-G650
[03:33] <mdz> Diablo-D3: yes and no; kubuntu and ubuntu share many packages, developers, infrastructure, and a community
[03:33] <pinPoint> i have hoary, does it run gnome by default
[03:33] <pinPoint> cause is see a nice wifi manager for kde
[03:35] <pinPoint> or does GNOME have a wireless lan manager?
[03:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone use an Atheros wirless card?
[03:36] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, network-admin is about it
[03:36] <pinPoint> SeeleyUSMC: i have it here
[03:36] <pinPoint> trying to get it up
[03:36] <SeeleyUSMC> pinPoint: if you get it working let me know
[03:36] <SeeleyUSMC> I've been at it for 12 hours today along
[03:36] <SeeleyUSMC> *alone
[03:37] <pinPoint> ha, i played with my builtin DELL for 3 days
[03:37] <pinPoint> first with mandarake
[03:38] <pinPoint> then ubuntu, decided to keep ubuntu and get a new nic
[03:38] <pinPoint> so here i am once again in battle
[03:40] <Marble2> crimsun: still here?
[03:40] <underlord> im having problems with usb in hoary
[03:40] <crimsun> Marble2: yes, try blacklisting nvidia_agp: echo "nvidia-agp" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:40] <Marble2> done
[03:40] <crimsun> Marble2: now reboot
[03:40] <Marble2> now what
[03:40] <Marble2> ok
[03:41] <underlord> i have a box with a mothervoard with onbuilt vt82 usb 1.1 chipsets, and i have a pci usb 2.0 card (nec chipsets), now when i use ubuntu with this configuration my system has suddenly stopped recognising anything plugged in to the vt82 chipsets, why could this be?
[03:43] <Marble2> crimsun: still get the error :(
[03:43] <crimsun> Marble2: please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf onto pastebin
[03:44] <Marble2> http://pastebin.ca/7778
[03:46] <akk> Cool, if I select reiserfs for / during the hoary install, it tries to format that partition then bombs out with "Filesystem has incompatible feature enabled"
[03:46] <medwards_> Anyone using hoary on a G4 PowerBook?
[03:47] <crimsun> Marble2: that's your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:47] <Marble2> yes
[03:48] <crimsun> Marble2: can you switch modes with the "radeon" driver instead of "fglrx"?
[03:48] <Marble2> uh, how?
[03:49] <Marble2> i'm confused
[03:49] <crimsun> Marble2: change fglrx to radeon and restart gdm
[03:49] <pinPoint> dont this wireless nics like keys and ssid hidden?
[03:50] <marcin_ant> hi all
[03:50] <Marble2> done
[03:50] <Marble2> still get the error
[03:50] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me what software I need (for backend) to use evolution-webcal?
[03:50] <crimsun> Marble2: please paste the log file
[03:51] <crimsun> (onto pastebin)
[03:51] <Marble2> what log file?
[03:51] <marcin_ant> I really don't understand how it works and there is no help for webcal integration
[03:51] <crimsun> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:51] <Marble2> http://pastebin.ca/7779
[03:52] <crimsun> Marble2: you're still using fglrx, not radeon
[03:52] <Marble2> how do I restart gdm? I did /etc/init,d/gdm restart
[03:52] <crimsun> Marble2: first of all, did you edit the correct file? (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[03:52] <crimsun> Marble2: second of all, did you change the correct Driver setting?
[03:53] <Marble2> yes
[03:53] <Marble2> you mean like the origional?
[03:53] <crimsun> Marble2: (yes, it's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[03:53] <FlyNavy> Hello all
[03:53] <pinPoint> hello
[03:53] <Marble2> yes, from ATI to fglrx
[03:53] <Marble2> to see if I could stop my video and audio being out of synch
[03:56] <Xira> Hi huys, I've tried installing Ubuntu, but it didn't work with my LCD. (Dell 1704FP which it detects) - I tried manually editing the X conf, but everything was set right (res, hsync etc) but whenever I would boot into X/Gnome the monitor would turn off
[03:56] <Marble2> crimsun: that fixed it
[03:56] <Marble2> awesome
[03:57] <Marble2> thanks a ton :)
[03:57] <crimsun> np
[03:57] <pinPoint> my nic works!!!!
[03:57] <pinPoint> mwahahahah
[03:57] <paulproteus> Xira: Remove modelines.
[03:57] <paulproteus> Remove hsync, vsync.
[03:58] <paulproteus> Scrub your config clean of everything it's configured about the monitor, and then let X detect the info at runtime.
[03:58] <Xira> paulproteus, what's that?
[03:59] <Xira> Er
[03:59] <Xira> Well
[03:59] <Xira> Okay, I guess I can try that.
[03:59] <paulproteus> Feel free to comment it out rather than deleting it. :)
[04:00] <Beirdo> anyone here able to tell me why an install of mysql-server needs exim to be installed? :)
[04:01] <holycow> does anyone what a safe mode on debian/ubuntu might be?
[04:01] <pinPoint> crimsun: why wont my card work with a router set on ssid broadcast off
[04:01] <foreach> holycow, isn't it the failsafe* ?
[04:01] <holycow> foreach, what do you us it for?
[04:01] <holycow> i've never heard of that before
[04:01] <Xira> The thing is paulproteus , I now have Fedora Core 3 installed and everything working nicely, so I don't know if I should risk it all and try Ubuntu. :-\
[04:02] <foreach> I don't know about debian (it's been a while), but I know on my copy of ubuntu, i have a failsafe gnome and a failsafe terminal
[04:02] <holycow> foreach, they are identical, just fyi
[04:02] <holycow> >_>
[04:02] <holycow> lol :) sorry gotta bug ya
[04:02] <Marble2> grrr... the audio and video are still out of sync :(
[04:02] <smo> Beirdo: It'd appear to depend on mailx, which requires mail-transport-agent .. of which exim is the default.  What it wants mailx for, I couldn't tell you
[04:02] <holycow> failsafe terminal?
[04:02] <Mguel721> can anyone help me ... I am trying to mount a zip drive?
[04:02] <foreach> holycow, hey, we're all here to learn (even the 'veterans', they just won't admit it)
[04:02] <holycow> lol wtf is that? whats itused for?
[04:02] <maxchee> does hoary have boot splash enabled?
[04:02] <Beirdo> smo: ahh, I missed the mailx in the list :)
[04:02] <holycow> foreach, hehehe :)
[04:03] <foreach> holycow, seems to be to boot into gnome w/o running startup scripts
[04:03] <smo> or rather, mailx requires "exim4 | mail-transport-agent", so if nothing's providing mta, it'll ask for exim4
[04:03] <holycow> oh, i presume similar for failsafe terminal too?
[04:03] <Beirdo> sounds like someone has extra dependencies that seem to be senseless at first glance
[04:03] <foreach> holycow, indeed
[04:03] <Beirdo> I can understand mailx needing a mail server :)
[04:04] <holycow> foreach, what are they used for?
[04:04] <bet0x> Hi all
[04:04] <bet0x> successfull upgrade to kubuntu :D
[04:04] <bet0x> From warty
[04:04] <crimsun> bet0x: excellent.
[04:04] <bet0x> 41mins downloading packages
[04:04] <Mguel721> Can anyone tell me how to mount a zip drive?
[04:04] <bet0x> but works like the hell
[04:04] <bet0x> :D
[04:04] <bet0x> ani know here are the spanish language?
[04:04] <Beirdo> OK.  I guess I should decide on an MTA then
[04:04] <calc> grr gnome still gets confused with ubuntu automounting behavior
[04:05] <bet0x> but i see all in english
[04:05] <calc> i can't make nautilus eject a disk
[04:05] <calc> er cdrom disk
[04:05] <crimsun> calc: it worked better with earlier versions of inotify, agreed
[04:05] <calc> f*ck
[04:05] <calc> mount doesn't show it mounted either
[04:06] <calc> but the drive is locked
[04:06] <Marble2> crimsun: do you know why the audio is out of synch with the video on anything I play? That's what I was trying to fix that caused the resolution problem
[04:06] <calc> ah nm i see the issue
[04:06] <calc> the user doesn't have rights to eject from userspace or something like that
[04:07] <bet0x> a question
[04:07] <crimsun> Marble2: possibly due to the sound daemon. Which application are you using to play videos?
[04:07] <pinPoint> my card works for one minute and it stops after i go static
[04:07] <Marble2> I tried totem-xine and vlc
[04:07] <bet0x> but with a NON-ROOT user the firefox dont run
[04:07] <Marble2> using esd as sound
[04:07] <pinPoint> sh#*(&!
[04:07] <^thehatsrule^> mplayer?
[04:07] <Marble2> the audio is a couple seconds late... I think it's the video card
[04:07] <Marble2> ATI Radeon 9200
[04:07] <bet0x> i debug in console put "firefox" and make a while
[04:07] <bet0x> with this text
[04:07] <crimsun> Marble2: have you tried mplayer with -ao alsa (you'll need to kill esd/polypaudio)
[04:07] <bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
[04:07] <bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
[04:07] <bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
[04:07] <bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
[04:08] <calc> ah i see part of it, gnome mounts the volume on double click of the icon but then doesn't realize its mounted so you can't unmount it
[04:09] <NetGeek> evening all
[04:09] <^thehatsrule^> GeekNet!
[04:09] <pinPoint> network admin hangs everytime I do DeActivate of wlan0
[04:09] <Mguel721> Anyone know how to mount a zip drive???
[04:09] <pinPoint> this is fudging crazy
[04:10] <pinPoint> fudge! there goes the laptop
[04:10] <pinPoint> lock up
[04:11] <pinPoint> its starting to look worse than windows
[04:11] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[04:11] <ahijah> yo
[04:11] <pinPoint> its really jacked up
[04:11] <pinPoint> seriously
[04:11] <ahijah> can someone help me with some driver problems?
[04:11] <NetGeek> finally got xcompset working stable
[04:11] <pinPoint> i just spent 60 bucks on this thing and it doesnt work fully
[04:12] <calc> crimsun: guess what just happened? ;)
[04:12] <ahijah> has anyone tried and got a linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter to work yet?
[04:13] <calc> crimsun: i tried to eject the disc a second time via the gnome ui and it completely hung the box
[04:13] <NetGeek> anyone using ipw2200 and hoary?
[04:14] <calc> NetGeek: i do sometimes with an intel 2915abg card
[04:14] <NetGeek> calc: you having driver or firmware crashing problems
[04:14] <crimsun> calc: awesome
[04:14] <calc> the driver in hoary just plain won't do anything at all for me
[04:14] <calc> it doesn't work for amd64 afaict
[04:14] <calc> the one on the sf.net site works though
[04:15] <pinPoint> from install without problems
[04:15] <ahijah> ...
[04:15] <NetGeek> calc: you use the firmware that comes with hoary
[04:15] <calc> NetGeek: yes with the upgraded driver off ipw2200.sf.net
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> ahijah... wlan?
[04:15] <ahijah> i cant compile it
[04:15] <^thehatsrule^> use generic?
[04:16] <ahijah> <<< dumb
[04:16] <NetGeek> calc: thanks
[04:16] <^thehatsrule^> :/
[04:16] <^thehatsrule^> sorry
[04:16] <^thehatsrule^> ivenever used wireless
[04:16] <ahijah> i have wlan but i dont know what to do with it
[04:16] <pinPoint> there goes my card again
[04:16] <pinPoint> its working
[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> are you under a router or something?
[04:17] <ahijah> i have a 2wire dsl router
[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> hm... dhcp enabled?
[04:18] <ahijah> it's not that.. the computer wont recognize the network adapter
[04:18] <ahijah> in need drivers
[04:18] <ahijah> lol
[04:18] <^thehatsrule^> oh... then i have no idea
[04:18] <^thehatsrule^> forums mebbe?
[04:19] <ahijah> i looked around.. and all i found was wlan that said it would do it... but i'm guessing it's for RH9 or something cuz i cant install it
[04:21] <brad_> how can i rename a bunch of file with find?  i have a bunch of files that need renaming.  example:  whatever.a.b needs to be renamed to whatever.a
[04:22] <GammaRay> brad_: -exec
[04:22] <ahijah> the file i got was called linux_wlan_ng_0114_pre1.tar.gz
[04:22] <GammaRay> IE find / -exec rename a b "{}" \;
[04:23] <platypus> how do i get kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:23] <crimsun> platypus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <brad_> GammaRay, the extensions are what need to be renamed.  will that work with an expression like *.a.b?
[04:23] <platypus> crimsun, but when i do apt-cache search kubuntu-desktop it turns out empty
[04:24] <platypus> crimsun, issit i am missing some entry in my repos ?
[04:24] <GammaRay> brad_: see man rename... it replaces the first a it finds w/ b in each file
[04:25] <brad_> ok.  thanks :)
[04:25] <GammaRay> brad_: there are better ways but they involve sed
[04:25] <platypus> root@platypus:/home/platypus # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:25] <platypus> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:25] <platypus> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:25] <platypus> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:25] <regeya> me is seething with boredom
[04:25] <regeya> ack
[04:25] <pinPoint> does ifup wlan0 run DHCP? cause my card is static
[04:25] <pinPoint> set to static ^^^
[04:25] <regeya> the things that happen when you leave a '/' out
[04:25] <crimsun> platypus: are you running Warty?
[04:26] <ax75> where can i find a list of the packages included in ubuntu 5.04?
[04:26] <platypus> crimsun, i installed from the free disck
[04:26] <platypus> crimsun, is that warty ?
[04:27] <crimsun> platypus: sudo sed 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <crimsun> ax75: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[04:27] <ax75> thanks
[04:28] <pinPoint> someone please tell me i didnt buy this card for nothing
[04:28] <ahijah> so i'm guessing that my quarry is a lost cause?
[04:28] <odie5533> Anyone know how to run gnome and kde?
[04:28] <pinPoint> seems im going throught the same #(&$# as the other cards
[04:28] <eyequeue> should there be a /etc/ubuntu_version file?
[04:28] <geneo93>  crimsun i think you worked at a linux heel desk before
[04:29] <geneo93> s/heel/hell
[04:29] <GammaRay> odie5533: the login screen should have a choice if you hit the sessions button
[04:29] <IcedKiwi> hey ppls
[04:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know anything about USB Flash cards?
[04:29] <SeeleyUSMC> I need to format one so I don't end up burning CDs all the time
[04:29] <^thehatsrule^> flash?
[04:29] <GammaRay> SeeleyUSMC: they usually come w/ fat32 in them
[04:29] <IcedKiwi> they are good
[04:30] <^thehatsrule^> compact flash?
[04:30] <odie5533> GammaRay, I want to login to both
[04:30] <odie5533> with the ctrl alt FX keys
[04:30] <IcedKiwi> we use them at school all the time, if im thinking of the same thing as you
[04:30] <SeeleyUSMC> GammaRay: It lost its format somehow
[04:30] <GammaRay> odie5533: try running gdmflexiserver
[04:30] <platypus> crimsun, any pain in the update process ?
[04:30] <SeeleyUSMC> GammaRay: DOS says its raw
[04:31] <SeeleyUSMC> I tried to re-format as FAT in windows so I could transfer between windows and linux
[04:31] <GammaRay> SeeleyUSMC: try mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 but make sure that's thee right device
[04:31] <IcedKiwi> brb
[04:31] <SeeleyUSMC> GammaRay: one more problem, how do I find out where my USB card is at?
[04:31] <SeeleyUSMC> I have 3 USB ports on my laptop and don't knw where to look
[04:31] <^thehatsrule^> lol guess
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> choose the middle - its scd2 !
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> or w/e it is in ubuntu...
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> #2 is middle usually
[04:33] <ahijah> question.... i have my adapter pluged into my pci usb hub.... would that be a problem in finding it?
[04:33] <IcedKiwi> it doesnt matter what port, as long as it works
[04:33] <IcedKiwi> unless your using particular specifications
[04:34] <crimsun> platypus: you need to then, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:34] <crimsun> platypus: the dist-upgrade worked flawlessly for me
[04:34] <IcedKiwi> brb
[04:34] <odie5533> I am setting the sound driver for a program, it wants a /dev/something, what do I set it to?
[04:34] <floresg> is there a great difference between mandrake 10.2 and ubuntu hoary?
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> /dev/dsp ?
[04:35] <Xenguy> floresg: rpm vs. deb...
[04:35] <Xenguy> floresg: kde vs. gnome
[04:35] <geneo93> floresg:  yes hoary has kde 3.4
[04:35] <GammaRay> Xenguy: kde? how do you figure?
[04:35] <odie5533> It isnt liking it
[04:36] <Xenguy> GammaRay: MDK was KDE by default IIRC; Ubu is GNOME by default
[04:36] <GammaRay> mandrake supports kde and gnome about the same in my opinion
[04:36] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I don't use it, I just know that when MDK was originally released, it focused on KDE
[04:36] <GammaRay> mdk used to be "redhat w/ kde" but no longer
[04:37] <geneo93> mandrake give you more install options
[04:37] <ax75> actually KDE is supporteed much more in MDK
[04:37] <GammaRay> ax75: how so?
[04:37] <IcedKiwi> k im back
[04:37] <^thehatsrule^> bleh, both have its uses
[04:37] <ax75> well in MDK, the GNOME is a lookalike of KDE but doesn't do what the KDE desktop does
[04:38] <ax75> they only make it look the same as KDE, but doesn't even work
[04:38] <regeya> distributions should leave the desktops alone, really.
[04:38] <IcedKiwi> what is the difference between GNOME and KDE?
[04:38] <regeya> mdk butchers gnome, redhat butchers kde.  it shouldn't be necessary.
[04:38] <JDigital> GNOME is better
[04:38] <GammaRay> huh? I never thought they were trying to make it look like kde.. and the unified theme they use looks like neigther
[04:38] <IcedKiwi> lol
[04:38] <regeya> JDigital...
[04:39] <regeya> it's a matter of opinion.  personally, when I use GNOME, I think it looks nice but it feels a bit like MacOS 8.
[04:39] <odie5533> is there any other /dev/ for audio besides dsp?
[04:39] <IcedKiwi> ive only got GNOME so i cant really comment
[04:39] <IcedKiwi> there are worse things on this planet than a MacOS
[04:40] <regeya> when some people use KDE, they feel overwhelmed by (admittedly) bad design and (admittedly) way too many features just right there in your face.
[04:40] <GammaRay> regeya: I just don't agree that mdk butchers gnome
[04:40] <jdub> oh dudes
[04:40] <IcedKiwi> personally, i want to try MacOSX
[04:40] <jdub> let's not do the gnome v. kde thing here
[04:40] <regeya> personally I prefer KDE, but not everyone does; oh, whatever, just let me use my KDE desktop in peace. :-)
[04:40] <IcedKiwi> lol
[04:40] <IcedKiwi> im gonna go get a cup of tea...
[04:40] <IcedKiwi> brb
[04:40] <gratuit> give me twm or give me death!
[04:40] <GammaRay> eww
[04:40] <regeya> IcedKiwi: there are things that GNOME gets right that Apple doesn't.  It's nice, but most people see the eye candy and think it'll be just balls.
[04:41] <ax75> hehe twm
[04:41] <GammaRay> I think we can all agree on that!
[04:41] <Xenguy> gratuit: hah
[04:41] <ahijah> ok i found the adapter in the device manager... not haw do i install a driver for it? device manager doesnt have any comands for that
[04:42] <mdz> ahijah: what is the make/model of the device?
[04:42] <GammaRay> I liek certain things about kde but I always am pissed when I run into a wall trying to make it work like xfce or gnome
[04:42] <GammaRay> s/liek/like
[04:42] <ahijah> linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter
[04:43] <floresg> so, if i use mandrake w/ kde and kubuntu, there will essentially be little to no difference
[04:43] <maxchee> does anyone know how to get nautilus and gnome desktop to auto refresh?
[04:43] <maxchee> gnome has the same annoying bug as win2k
[04:43] <IcedKiwi> im back
[04:43] <GammaRay> floresg: it's mainly focus
[04:43] <IcedKiwi> my electric jug overflowed, so now im gonna have to get a new one...
[04:44] <geneo93> floresg:  i told you the diff mandrake is locked at kde 3.3.2 and hoary is kde 3.4
[04:44] <GammaRay> floresg: mandrake seems to focus on all desktops and as much software as possible.. while ubuntu focuses on gtk and gnome
[04:44] <GammaRay> atleast that's my opinion
[04:44] <UdeS-ppc> Hi all!  What do I need to type to reconfigure my xfree86?
[04:45] <IcedKiwi> how do u get that yellow thing behind your text?
[04:45] <GammaRay> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I think
[04:45] <maxchee> GammaRay: KDE is supposed to be windows like and while I don't agree with its ways of making everything under the sun configuration, it actually works well (unlike gnome, which always leaves quite a bit to be desired)
[04:45] <geneo93> mandrake pretty much sucks anymore
[04:45] <UdeS-ppc> GammaRay, thanks I'll try that:)
[04:45] <ax75> i'm gonna move from fedora to ubuntu...
[04:45] <ax75> had enough of fedora
[04:45] <IcedKiwi> why would you want to make something look like windows is what im thinking...
[04:46] <jdub> dudes, the gnome v. kde discussion is best had elsewhere thanks
[04:46] <JDigital> gnome is awesome
[04:46] <IcedKiwi> each to her/his own...
[04:46] <JDigital> wow
[04:46] <JDigital> lots of people whose names are like jd*
[04:47] <maxchee> gnome v. kde is lame. I am just hoping that they would share the same drawing library, audio sink etc., so that we have less libraries and dependancies to maintain
[04:47] <UdeS-ppc> GammaRay: it tells me package 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available
[04:47] <GammaRay> maxchee: I perfer smooth operation and configuration to "a mess" and I'm not that convinced that gnome really is that unconfigurable
[04:47] <ax75> if kde and gnome unified to become one, then it'll be the ultimate desktop solution
[04:47] <crimsun> UdeS-ppc: Hoary?
[04:47] <IcedKiwi> my ex's initials were DJ
[04:47] <floresg> if i were to use ubuntu (w/ gnome), could i install kde type programs, like kdevelop, and kwrite, and still use gnome?
[04:47] <UdeS-ppc> yes
[04:47] <crimsun> UdeS-ppc: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:47] <maxchee> GammaRay: they problem is not with configuration. Gnome doesn't even have proper menu editing and Dnd
[04:47] <UdeS-ppc> I killed the X11 session since I had bad graphics
[04:48] <jdub> maxchee: elsewhere please
[04:48] <ax75> bye
[04:48] <GammaRay> UdeS-ppc: well the name may be wrong.. try dpkg -l | grep -i xfree
[04:48] <IcedKiwi> is there anything out there thats different? something we havent seen before, and there isnt any equivelent of?
[04:48] <GammaRay> maxchee: that's certainly something to complain about
[04:49] <GammaRay> maxchee: but I'm glad they atleast are taking their time and doing it right
[04:49] <UdeS-ppc> crimsun, that is correct, thank you for the info!
[04:49] <geneo93> IcedKiwi:  yeah BeOS
[04:49] <IcedKiwi> ...
[04:50] <PacoBCN> Nautilus upgrade...
[04:50] <geneo93> goto bebit.com for sample
[04:50] <PacoBCN> I'd like to know what's new/fixed
[04:50] <geneo93> bebits.com sorry
[04:50] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: I know.. tiffani amber thiessen
[04:51] <IcedKiwi> GammaRay- who?
[04:51] <ubuntu> none here eh ??
[04:51] <PacoBCN> yup
[04:51] <akk> What kernel does hoary use?  The installer kinda munched my /boot, and I'm trying to reconstruct menu.lst.
[04:51] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: her --> http://www.angelfire.com/va2/Octavian/Tiffani_Amber_Thiessen.jpg
[04:52] <ubuntu> ill be damned this werks!!!!
[04:52] <mlambie> Has anyone used ubuntu with SunRay thin clients?
[04:52] <IcedKiwi> who is she?
[04:52] <PacoBCN> ugly girl
[04:52] <mlambie> IcedKiwi: she used to be on Baywatch
[04:52] <PacoBCN> her face is wider than Arnold
[04:53] <IcedKiwi> im too young to remember that
[04:53] <IcedKiwi> lol
[04:53] <IcedKiwi> anyway, its not like i'd go out of my way to look at other females...
[04:53] <ubuntu> live cd ,,,,just burned it,,,,downloaded iso last night
[04:53] <PacoBCN> I see nicer girls by the street everyday
[04:53] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[04:54] <IcedKiwi> ideas for clothes, maybe, but im straight
[04:54] <GammaRay> PacoBCN: like the hookers eh?
[04:54] <PacoBCN> GammaRay, nop, just like Barcelona ;)
[04:54] <akk> ubuntu: could you do me a favor, tell me what kernel uname -a says it has?
[04:54] <odie5533> Does anyone here know how to run KDE and Gnome on Ubuntu with the CTRL ALT F1 Keys?
[04:54] <mlambie> mlambie@stormshadow:~$ uname -r
[04:54] <mlambie> 2.6.10-5-686
[04:54] <PacoBCN> where even an ugly guy like me can have a model as gfriend
[04:54] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:54] <akk> Thanks, mlambie
[04:54] <mlambie> np
[04:55] <mlambie> that's hoary btw
[04:55] <ubuntu> lemmie see if i can find the damn shell
[04:55] <ubuntu> 2.6.10-4-386
[04:55] <akk> Hmm, I guess it must not have written its kernel to /boot.  The newest I have there is 2.6.10-4-386
[04:56] <maxchee> will ubuntu ever include reiserfs4?
[04:56] <ubuntu> 2.6.10 kernel !!!
[04:56] <mrevelle> I'm having trouble installing the package python-serial on a fresh install of the hoary preview.  I'm new to synaptic/apt-get but I added the Ubuntu repositories and the package, python-serial, still isn't showing up in a search.  I know that's the name of the package because of a google search
[04:56] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[04:56] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: well maybe they will jog your memory http://www.boreme.com/bm/MAY03/a/t_dh/info_pic1.jpg
[04:56] <PacoBCN> btw, I see many applets that aren't really useful added in the default installation while some other, really great like net speed are not included
[04:57] <IcedKiwi> has anyone got a spare (real) modem they'd like to get rid of? or any other hardware for that matter
[04:57] <ubuntu> run as root and run updatedb
[04:57] <crimsun> mrevelle: apt-cache policy python-serial
[04:57] <akk> The hoary installer gets really unhappy trying to deal with a /boot partition that's been previously written to by FC3.
[04:57] <IcedKiwi> what year did baywatch finish?
[04:57] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it certainly burned my eye out
[04:57] <crimsun> mlambie: yeah, just doesn't have universe refreshed.
[04:57] <NeoChaosX> hey, does anyone who uses VLC have video corruption with some WMVs?
[04:58] <maxchee> NeoChaosX: are your files corrupt?
[04:58] <NeoChaosX> nope, the file plays fine in other players
[04:58] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: 2001 it seems
[04:58] <maxchee> NeoChaosX: mplayer?
[04:58] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-115/
[04:58] <NeoChaosX> yeah, it plays fine in mplayer
[04:58] <NeoChaosX> it'll play in totem-xine but iwth some serious audio sync problems
[04:58] <mrevelle> crimsun, thanks.. says installed: none and candidate: none
[04:59] <crimsun> mrevelle: please uncomment/add the universe repository, then refresh
[04:59] <NeoChaosX> VLC is the only player I've found that doesn't have audio sync troubles with all my files
[04:59] <mrevelle> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/python/python-serial
[04:59] <NeoChaosX> i dunno where in VLC to go to fix the corruption
[05:00] <IcedKiwi> i wasnt even conceived when it started on air
[05:00] <maxchee> NeoChaosX: their bugzilla
[05:00] <maxchee> NeoChaosX: and submit the file
[05:00] <NeoChaosX> I see, I'll try that
[05:00] <IcedKiwi> and i was only 10 years only when it finished
[05:00] <mrevelle> crimsun, thanks
[05:00] <crimsun> mrevelle: np
[05:01] <sabmoc> evening ubunters
[05:01] <SeeleyUSMC> Erm, how do I see if my computer is detecting the USB drive?
[05:01] <maxchee> NeoChaosX: http://bugzilla.videolan.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi
[05:01] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[05:02] <IcedKiwi> mmm
[05:02] <crimsun> sabmoc: pong
[05:02] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: you sure make me feel old.. which is pretty strange for 21...
[05:02] <IcedKiwi> what os are you using Seeley
[05:02] <SeeleyUSMC> ahijah: I'm having trouble with USB and also my wireless NIC too I hear you brother
[05:02] <IcedKiwi> well i am 13, GammaRay, i tend to have that effect on people
[05:02] <ahijah> lol
[05:02] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: I have ubuntu hoary and windows xp
[05:02] <sabmoc> crimsun, ping ? sup
[05:02] <ahijah> 13!!!
[05:03] <IcedKiwi> what are you using when you are trying to use the usb device?
[05:03] <crimsun> sabmoc: nada.  You pinged earlier?
[05:03] <ahijah> i'm 17!!!
[05:03] <ahijah> GAH
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: Nothing.  I don't know what do do to access it
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: its in raw format and windows won't let me format it
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> figured i might be able to in linux
[05:03] <sabmoc> crimsun, did I? hmm.. dont remember why
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> brb, I NEED something to eat
[05:03] <IcedKiwi> can u put a html doc on it?
[05:04] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:04] <sabmoc> crimsun, has girl been back today?
[05:04] <crimsun> sabmoc: "girl"?
[05:04] <Zepp> I just installed kubuntu and i keep getting sound error saying can't find /dev/dsp so no sound.
[05:05] <IcedKiwi> is anyone here into programming?
[05:05] <Zepp> Anyone else had similar issues?
[05:05] <crimsun> Zepp: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:05] <Zepp> IcedKiwi, I enjoy it, but I am only learning
[05:05] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:05] <WW> IcedKiwi: A bit...
[05:05] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: I got my arm stuck in it a few times
[05:05] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:05] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: yes, and unfortuantely, my fav. lang. is java
[05:05] <sabmoc> crimsun, they was spamming the irc channel yesterday with profanity, uses several different names, but its always the same address girl@64.247.151.252
[05:05] <GammaRay> maxchee: buhahahaha!
[05:05] <crimsun> sabmoc: oh, no idea.  Sorry.
[05:05] <IcedKiwi> i want to learn, but i dont know what langague to start in
[05:06] <maxchee> GammaRay: Freaky...
[05:06] <sabmoc> crimsun, np, no news is good news
[05:06] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: I'd say that depends on what types of problems you'd like to resolve.
[05:06] <GammaRay> C and bash here...
[05:06] <WW> IcedKiwi: python is nice.
[05:06] <sabmoc> Any Canadians here today?
[05:06] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:06] <maxchee> sabmoc: me
[05:06] <Zepp> crimsun, there is no asound in /proc
[05:06] <IcedKiwi> i downloaded the python thing off the website, but it doesnt support my processor
[05:06] <sabmoc> where abouts maxchee ?
[05:06] <GammaRay> Canadians? where? get 'em!
[05:07] <crimsun> Zepp: what sound card?
[05:07] <sabmoc> GammaRay, bring it! haha
[05:07] <WW> IcedKiwi: "the python thing"?
[05:07] <IcedKiwi> crimsun: i just want to learn the theory, and get my brain working...
[05:07] <Zepp> crimsun, some old like sound blaster awe 64 i think :/
[05:07] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: Try Python or Java
[05:07] <Zepp> IcedKiwi, ya i heard python is nice and easy to learn. java i haven't found bad either, but some people dont like it
[05:08] <IcedKiwi> WW: the installer thing for the compiler, i think
[05:08] <akk> Python is nice, definitely.
[05:08] <sabmoc> maxchee, Im tring to round up interest in a canadian portal for ubuntu, focus on promoting ubuntu in the community. Any interest at all in that for you?
[05:08] <crimsun> Zepp: please ensure it is an awe64.  Please paste the output from lspnp onto http://pastebin.ca
[05:08] <maxchee> sabmoc: Great!
[05:08] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: well you are probably already running the most used language for every day tasks.. the bash shell.
[05:08] <WW> IcedKiwi: One nice thing about python is you can run python, and experiment with commands.
[05:08] <SeeleyUSMC> back
[05:08] <Zepp> crimsun, ok ill double check hehe one sec
[05:08] <sabmoc> maxchee, mind if I ask what timezone your in?
[05:08] <maxchee> sabmoc: eastern
[05:08] <IcedKiwi> i read on a few sites they say that java is a pain in the bum and should be learnt like 4th or 5th
[05:09] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: depends
[05:09] <pinPoint> if Ubuntu's main focus is gtk and gnome then why is kde wireless lan manager not ported in gnome as well? isnt wireless and emerging technology ubuntu should be focusing on
[05:09] <IcedKiwi> when i was like 7 or 8 i experimented with BASIC, but at that age i wasnt very interested
[05:09] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Java will prove to be a good challenge when you are trying to optimize swing apps
[05:09] <pinPoint> an*
[05:09] <sabmoc> maxchee, ok, im pacific. Im going to put a page up on the wiki tonight if your still around I'll send you the link and if your still interested, uh.. I dunno! haha.
[05:09] <GammaRay> pinPoint: there are new wireless tools being shipped w/ gnome 2.10
[05:09] <IcedKiwi> i cant do a thing with bash
[05:09] <WW> IcedKiwi: You are running ubuntu, right?  What "installer thing for the compiler" would you need for python?
[05:09] <IcedKiwi> no
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> i cant use the internet on ubuntu
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> or fc3, for that matter
[05:10] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Java is never very fast. What is sun doing?
[05:10] <geneo93> python twisted ans nevow is all you need
[05:10] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: other than Java, try objective C
[05:10] <Zepp> crimsun, what is pastebin.ca?
[05:10] <WW> IcedKiwi: Ah, I see.  What are you running on?
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> objective c?
[05:10] <crimsun> Zepp: it's a web site.
[05:10] <pinPoint> what about porting drivers for wireless nics that vendors release to the linux community
[05:10] <IcedKiwi> xp home
[05:10] <johnnybezak> do you guys have any idea why i cant have two programs using alsa simultaneously
[05:10] <Zepp> crimsun, obviously. for? and lspnp isn't a command?
[05:10] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: of couse, you would want to use a Mac or install GnuStep
[05:11] <crimsun> johnnybezak: depends on your sound card.
[05:11] <IcedKiwi> i wish i had a mac....
[05:11] <johnnybezak> crimsun: its rediculous
[05:11] <johnnybezak> IcedWiki: i do ;)
[05:11] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Objective C is Mac OSX's native language
[05:11] <crimsun> johnnybezak: your card is called "rediculous"?
[05:11] <johnnybezak> crimsun: it might as well be :P
[05:11] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: and apple uses the GCC for Objective C
[05:11] <IcedKiwi> what is the difference between C, C++ and Objective C?
[05:12] <GammaRay> pinPoint: well bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file
[05:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: there was a strict design choice not to push stream multiplexing as a natively-enabled assumption
[05:12] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file
[05:12] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: in the mean time (before you go out and buy a mac mini/ibook/imac/powermac/powerbook), you can use GnuStep libraries
[05:12] <GammaRay> popey: wrong person...
[05:12] <johnnybezak> crimsun: how come?
[05:12] <GammaRay> oh gawd
[05:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: not all hardware can support it
[05:12] <IcedKiwi> gnu step libraries?
[05:12] <pinPoint> GammaRay: i was gonna say... what in the name
[05:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: for instance, yours.
[05:12] <johnnybezak> crimsun: hm ok
[05:12] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Yes
[05:12] <IcedKiwi> you guys are all confusing me
[05:13] <crimsun> johnnybezak: so...which sound card?
[05:13] <johnnybezak> its like powermac tumbler or something
[05:13] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Objective C is basically C++ done right
[05:13] <johnnybezak> crimsun: just the one that came with the mac
[05:13] <crimsun> johnnybezak: then try the plug:dmix virtual device
[05:13] <IcedKiwi> ok.....?
[05:13] <WW> IcedKiwi: The more I think about it, the more sense python makes... try to get it to work!
[05:13] <crimsun> johnnybezak: kill esd/polypaudio first, of course
[05:13] <johnnybezak> crimsun: try the what?
[05:13] <WW> IcedKiwi: And if anyone says you should learn Perl first, run away.
[05:14] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:14] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it
[05:14] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: pythong is great for dynamic lang
[05:14] <IcedKiwi> they teach that at my very microsoft-loving school
[05:14] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: or another example: for each_file in *.mp3; do rename "new order" "New Order" "$each_file"; done
[05:14] <crimsun> johnnybezak: open xmms, choose the alsa output plugin, type "plug:dmix" in the device box
[05:14] <IcedKiwi> a trained monkey could screw up the network
[05:14] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it's very useful on a daily basis imho
[05:14] <crimsun> johnnybezak: anyhow, why are you messing with this? doesn't esd/polypaudio work on your powermac?
[05:15] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: VB is probably the eaisest for typed language
[05:15] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: although VB.net is not much easier than java
[05:15] <johnnybezak> crimsun: yeah it does my sound works fine, just if i have gaim playing sounds and rhythmbox one takes the sound card over and no other program can use it
[05:15] <SeeleyUSMC> Any idea why the music player won't play my MP3's on my windows partitions?
[05:15] <Zepp> crimsun, when i do a lspci | grep -i audio. nothing even comes up
[05:15] <Zepp> ?
[05:15] <crimsun> Zepp: not lspci, ls_pnp_
[05:16] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: gstreamer-mad installed?
[05:16] <Zepp> crimsun, ok I will try it. thought would show up with lspci
[05:16] <Zepp> crimsun, hang on
[05:16] <crimsun> Zepp: not if it's an awe64, which is isa.
[05:16] <IcedKiwi> your all making me more confused...
[05:16] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: this is all default stuff.  i can't even access the net wit it yet
[05:16] <DonL> me too IcedKiwi
[05:16] <johnnybezak> IcedKiwi: its a linux irc channel what do you expect :)
[05:16] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:16] <Zepp> crimsun, ya i just opened side panel and was like ahh what the hell this thing looks to be isa. not even pci. bah
[05:17] <Zepp> stupid old hardware
[05:17] <IcedKiwi> how do u get that yellow thing?
[05:17] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: VB, Java, C, C++, Python are probably the most common ones used
[05:17] <SeeleyUSMC> Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it
[05:17] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[05:17] <maxchee> Seeley: how come?
[05:17] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: /dev/sda is the device.  The partition will be /dev/sda1 if you've formatted it.
[05:17] <IcedKiwi> is C++ just a better version of C or something?
[05:17] <GammaRay> nah
[05:17] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: because my atheros isn't working out of the box as promised
[05:18] <akk> It's a superset of C but it ends up being pretty different
[05:18] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: A more complicated and OOP-enabled version of c
[05:18] <GammaRay> c++ has built in OOP... which is a plus or a minus based on your opinion
[05:18] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:18] <johnnybezak> c++ is object oriented c isnt it
[05:18] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: Although not strictly a superset of c
[05:18] <IcedKiwi> the definition of object oriented please? anyone?
[05:18] <crimsun> C++ doesn't force you to use the OOP paradigm at all.
[05:18] <SeeleyUSMC> how do I format the USB drive?
[05:18] <jnoon> is it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install
[05:18] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it's very hard to define
[05:18] <DonL> I'd dearly love to know all this stuff.
[05:18] <IcedKiwi> uhuh...
[05:18] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: you are not dealing with functions, you deal with objects
[05:19] <Zepp> crimsun, lspnp or ls_pnp_ aren't commands :/
[05:19] <IcedKiwi> ummmm
[05:19] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: a beginning programmer has no intrest in it for sure
[05:19] <crimsun> Zepp: lspnp is the command.
[05:19] <johnnybezak> DonL: do a computer course then :)
[05:19] <crimsun> Zepp: dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii
[05:19] <IcedKiwi> like things that like work seperate but can work together or something?
[05:19] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: my java book claim that OOP is also good for beginners
[05:19] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: do you ever get hungry?
[05:19] <DonL> Yeah, johnnybezak , I'd love to do that too, but there are things in the way of doing that.
[05:19] <maxchee> IcedKiwi: at least polymorphism is cool
[05:19] <IcedKiwi> i had lunch an hour ago
[05:19] <Zepp> crimsun, lspnp wasn't there. ill try other thing
[05:20] <GammaRay> maxchee: well they are full of crap (-;
[05:20] <IcedKiwi> polymorphism?
[05:20] <calc> a beginner should be learning x86 assembly not OOP ;)
[05:20] <IcedKiwi> ...
[05:20] <akk> maxchee: C++ is a fairly complex language; I wouldn't want to start a beginning programmer on it.
[05:20] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: did you think of eating a meal, or did you think of walking to the store then buying a sandwich then opening the wrapper then ...?
[05:20] <johnnybezak> DonL: then just buy some books :)
[05:20] <IcedKiwi> i made some 2 minute noodles
[05:20] <maxchee> akk: that's why beginner programmers use java
[05:20] <SeeleyUSMC> how do I format the USB drive? Anyone?
[05:21] <maxchee> akk: everything is built in a lib
[05:21] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: what filesystem would you like to use?
[05:21] <DonL> johnnybezak, the word buy is a problem right now
[05:21] <maxchee> akk: and it's more academic than .Net
[05:21] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: but did you think of it as a meal and/or a snack?
[05:21] <IcedKiwi> meal
[05:21] <GammaRay> oop is just a strange abstracted (and unproven) way of looking at programming
[05:21] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: fat so i can switch between linux and windows
[05:21] <Zepp> crimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found
[05:21] <IcedKiwi> but i have like snacks in between meals
[05:21] <akk> maxchee: Java's simpler and cleaner, for teaching programming, though something like python or js would be simpler still.
[05:21] <johnnybezak> DonL: well looks like the internet is all youve got left there is probably some wiki textbook
[05:21] <IcedKiwi> metabolism issues
[05:21] <calc> mkfs.vfat
[05:21] <maxchee> akk: that's true
[05:22] <DonL> johnnybezak, I'm investigating that right now
[05:22] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: see? you used OOP already.
[05:22] <maxchee> akk: typeless languages removes the problem of choosing the right type
[05:22] <IcedKiwi> huh?
[05:22] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: the object is the "meal"
[05:22] <SeeleyUSMC> haha
[05:22] <akk> maxchee: Yes, I wish there was something like a typed python.  That would be perfect.
[05:22] <IcedKiwi> umm
[05:22] <jnoon> is it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install
[05:22] <crimsun> IcedKiwi: your "meal" is composed of "2 minute noodles"
[05:22] <calc> ahijah: er yea i use a usb key/mou every day on ubuntu
[05:23] <maxchee> GammaRay: most people find that book to be very useful
[05:23] <nicedreams> anyone know if the ubuntu team knows about the performance and sound problems with preview 1 and is there a fix for now?
[05:23] <IcedKiwi> ok.... and the connection between a high-sodium 'food' and a computer is what?
[05:23] <maxchee> akk: that would improve performance. But python is never meant for a truly performance apps
[05:23] <crimsun> nicedreams: "performance and sound problems with preview 1"?
[05:23] <akk> maxchee: People who use it for big apps seem to say it's pretty fast.  But I've never worked on a big python app myself.
[05:23] <nicedreams> yes
[05:24] <crimsun> ahijah: you don't (usually) need to install drivers. What usb device?
[05:24] <crimsun> nicedreams: describe?
[05:24] <akk> maxchee: I expect it's probably faster than java ...
[05:24] <GammaRay> maxchee: well I'm sure they burn most of their brain cells just understanding OOP instead of learning how to program. two seperate things.
[05:24] <WW> ahijah: I have a printer, a scanner, and an external hard drive connected with USB.  So at least there is *some* USB support. :)
[05:24] <calc> ahijah: you don't they are already available if they are available period
[05:24] <nicedreams> other people have said they are experiencing the same thing
[05:24] <ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
[05:24] <nicedreams> in gnome, it says can not play audio device
[05:24] <nicedreams> i install fluxbox and sound plays fine
[05:24] <maxchee> akk: I would never understand why python is faster than java. Sun puts too much craps in the JRE?
[05:24] <crimsun> ahijah: you don't need to install any drivers.
[05:24] <IcedKiwi> is it advisable to get a cheap 2nd hand computer (like a pentium 3 or something) to practice on?
[05:24] <nicedreams> anything i do in gnome just doesn't seem to work right...and the performance has dropped
[05:24] <crimsun> nicedreams: in gnome, did you enable the sound server?
[05:24] <GammaRay> nicedreams: odd maybe esd is getting in the way somehow
[05:24] <nicedreams> i install the new nvidia drivers...played some games...rebooted and now it lags so bad
[05:25] <Zepp> crimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found?
[05:25] <nicedreams> yes
[05:25] <nicedreams> i can hear the intro and exit sounds
[05:25] <akk> maxchee: Yes, too much overhead in the JVM.
[05:25] <nicedreams> but once inside...sound does not work
[05:25] <maxchee> akk: I believe both have memory management. So garbage collector is slow is not the proper argument
[05:25] <ahijah> then why cant i use my device?
[05:25] <crimsun> nicedreams: log into gnome, please
[05:25] <nicedreams> i'm in it with my other machine
[05:25] <crimsun> ahijah: is your network interface up and running?
[05:25] <crimsun> nicedreams: pgrep esd ; pgrep polypaudio
[05:25] <WW> IcedKiwi: Does the Ubuntu LiveCD work on your computer?  If so, you could use that to start experimenting with python.
[05:25] <ahijah> no.. ubuntu says the my device is unknown
[05:25] <DonL> nicedreams, did you edit your etc/X11 file?
[05:26] <maxchee> akk: but hopefully, with VM caching, Java will eventually be faster than python
[05:26] <Ely__> ok.. first of all I have to say I installed ubuntu hoarty coming from debian and I must say I am IMPRESSED... this thing has probably given me the best default installation out of any distro I have ever used
[05:26] <nicedreams> DonL: just the nvidia stuff i edited
[05:26] <nicedreams> DonL: the opengl was running fast
[05:26] <akk> maxchee: Maybe, if sun stops adding stuff to it every few months.
[05:26] <IcedKiwi> oh, ive got the os- either fc3 or ubuntu
[05:26] <nicedreams> DonL: and now it's sloooooow
[05:26] <IcedKiwi> i just cant use the internet
[05:26] <mrevelle> trying to install g++...  selecting the package called g++ says it'll go with gcc 3.3, any reason I shouldn't choose the other package that mentions g++-3.4?
[05:26] <crimsun> Ely__: that was the intention.
[05:26] <DonL> nicedreams, if you don't edit the file to use the new driver, I think when you reboot, it will go back to nv
[05:26] <nicedreams> crimsun: i get 6927
[05:26] <IcedKiwi> and the python 'thingy' wont work under windows
[05:27] <Ely__> mrevelle, try installing "build-essentials"
[05:27] <maxchee> akk: wait for GCJ, it should be able to improve the situation
[05:27] <crimsun> mrevelle: instead, install build-essential
[05:27] <nicedreams> DonL: it's still nvidia
[05:27] <SeeleyUSMC> gr...
[05:27] <mrevelle> Ely__, thanks
[05:27] <nicedreams> DonL: the xorg.conf looks fine
[05:27] <nicedreams> DonL: glx gears has slown waaaaaaaaaaay down
[05:27] <maxchee> akk: compiled java programs should be able to run with efficiency close to that of C++
[05:27] <crimsun> mrevelle: then if you want g++ 3.4, install g++-3.4
[05:27] <DonL> ok. I had some problems before, and that's what I learned to do
[05:27] <crimsun> nicedreams: for which?
[05:27] <WW> IcedKiwi: OK, use python in ubuntu.  You don't need the internet while you are programming (although it can be nice when you want to google or get some help).
[05:27] <mrevelle> crimsun, great, thanks
[05:28] <SeeleyUSMC> fdisk /dev/sda will let me think I can change the format to FAT32 then says I can't write to /dev/sda
[05:28] <maxchee> akk: and it just offers a really nice way to built write-once, compile-anywhere programs
[05:28] <nicedreams> crimsun: i ran both and it returned that...i'll do it separate then
[05:28] <IcedKiwi> i like to save a bunch of html files to a disk and run it off there
[05:28] <Ely__> man.. I'm running xorg with xcompmgr and shadows.. it runs pretty nice .. but only works with the DRI ati drivers .. anyone got it to work with the official ATI drivers?
[05:28] <Ely__> this is on a laptop mobility 9600pro
[05:28] <nicedreams> crimsun: I get 6927 for esd and polyaudio just goes to the next line
[05:28] <akk> Anyone know what this means?  Booting from the installer cd: isolinux: DIsk error 10, AX=4280, drive EF
[05:28] <IcedKiwi> so where do i type it into?
[05:28] <crimsun> nicedreams: ok. Are your sound applications configured to use esd?
[05:28] <akk> This disc was working earlier today, but now it won't boot.
[05:29] <linux_galore> Ely__: official ATi drivers have lots of render options missing
[05:29] <nicedreams> crimsun: i don't know...this is just a default install of preview 1
[05:29] <nicedreams> crimsun: i get the same problem at a workstation at work i installed it fresh on
[05:29] <Zepp> crimsun, no idea?
[05:29] <maxchee> seeleyusmc: tried ndiswrapper?
[05:29] <crimsun> nicedreams: for instance, does Rhythmbox work?
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Why can't I format my USB flash drive???
[05:29] <crimsun> Zepp: sec, busy with too many things
[05:29] <linux_galore> Ely__: one of the reasons I only use nvidia with Linux
[05:29] <Ely__> linux_galore, it's funny how ATI calls the themselves the leader in the gfx indsutry.. as much as I love their hardware *cry*
[05:29] <Zepp> crimsun, ok, sorry I will wait. just drop me msg/query when you free
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: I was told to use madwifi because its made for atheros and i read a bit and it has my exact chipset
[05:29] <crimsun> Zepp: you are using hoary, correct?
[05:30] <Zepp> crimsun, ya the kubuntu hoary preview
[05:30] <Ely__> linux_galore, the nvidia options for my laptop were pathetic performers in 3d
[05:30] <SeeleyUSMC> but i want to move the files with my usb so i don't have to reboot and burn and reboot all the time and waste cds
[05:30] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: and it didn't work?
[05:30] <nicedreams> crimsun: nope...  and i installed xmms to try that and it doesn't work...  So I install fluxbox and everything works fine
[05:30] <jnoon> is it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?
[05:30] <crimsun> Zepp: ok, and it's an awe64?
[05:30] <nicedreams> crimsun: same with the pc at work with the fresh install of preview 1
[05:30] <crimsun> nicedreams: which output is xmms using?
[05:30] <Zepp> crimsun, ya i am pretty sure
[05:30] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: I don't have it on there yet.
[05:30] <optiks> afternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed for some reason?
[05:30] <perhe> Im trying to fix my wlan and when attempting to compile some stuff from ipw2200.sf.net I get "/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop." .. what can I do to fix this ?
[05:31] <nicedreams> crimsun: was on oss and didn't work and put it on alsa and it doesn't work
[05:31] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: i need tomove the files from this laptop (buddies) to mine via my USB flash card but its raw and windows won't format it and i can't firgure out how in linux
[05:31] <crimsun> Zepp: do this: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe isapnp=0
[05:31] <crimsun> nicedreams: now switch it to esd
[05:31] <Zepp> crimsun, ok. one moment
[05:31] <nicedreams> crimsun: usually i don't have an issue with ubuntu, but ever since I put preview 1 on from scratch...it's been screwy
[05:31] <Ely__> perhe, read the installation docs.. that means you need a sym link called build to your kernel source
[05:31] <IcedKiwi> with my flash key, you didnt have to format it
[05:31] <IcedKiwi> you just stuck the files straight on
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: its lost its format somehow  and i need to reformat it
[05:32] <nicedreams> crimsun: hmmm...works now
[05:32] <nicedreams> crimsun: why is that?  I have it on alsa in fluxbox and it works though
[05:32] <crimsun> perhe: do you have a live Internet connection on that computer?
[05:32] <IcedKiwi> have you emailed the manufacturer
[05:32] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: tried plugging it into your computer?
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: yes
[05:32] <crimsun> nicedreams: fluxbox does not use a sound daemon; gnome does
[05:32] <perhe> crimsun, yes, using it right now
[05:32] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: does it mount?
[05:32] <crimsun> perhe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> windows detects it and all then says it needs to be formatted and brings up the formatting window then says it cant format
[05:32] <linux_galore> Ely__: yeah I have a buddy who has cedega (Ive got a copy too) we did some tests with some windows games, and his ATi card wouldnt render some high end render effects ie water, shadows,mist  but my fx5900 card worked fine....bit of research and we found ATi drivers dont have 64 bit render support but nvidia does in Linux
[05:32] <nicedreams> crimsun: why did it used to work in alsa?  did they change something in preview 1?
[05:32] <perhe> crimsun, thx, will do!
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> linux doesnt do anything
[05:33] <crimsun> perhe: ipw2200 should work by default
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> it says its there in the device manager but i don't know how to access it
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: my atheros AR212 is supposed to work right out of the box too.. but look where i am
[05:34] <crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: did you ever see if it's enabled in bios?
[05:34] <perhe> crimsun, I'm having trouble at least .. can't activate my card
[05:34] <WW> IcedKiwi: By the way, Ubuntu comes with a Python book: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/index.html
[05:34] <Ely__> lifeless, that's really sad to hear.. considering how their firegl line of cards are used on *nix boxes for CGI
[05:34] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: hav you tired mounting on linux?
[05:34] <IcedKiwi> oh ok
[05:34] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm not sure how maxchee
[05:34] <IcedKiwi> how do u run a live cd?
[05:34] <crimsun> nicedreams: polypaudio was reverted to esd.
[05:34] <perhe> crimsun, I got that stuff compiled now at least, so I will continue will the install doc from the project site and see how it goes
[05:35] <Zepp> crimsun, did that....
[05:35] <perhe> with*
[05:35] <linux_galore> cedega = allows you to play windows games on Linux with next to no loss in fps speed
[05:35] <crimsun> nicedreams: polypaudio was configured to release the audio device after idle; esd wasn't by default
[05:35] <Ely__> perhe, I'm using the 2200 stuff that come with ubuntu outof the box and it works flawlessly
[05:35] <nicedreams> crimsun: thx for the help...i'll try and fix my performance problem
[05:35] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: actually, try this program: http://www.universalsmartdrive.net/standard/downloads.htm
[05:35] <WW> IcedKiwi: Assuming your computer is set up to boot from the CD, you just put the Live CD in the drive and reboot.
[05:35] <Ely__> oops.. forgot to mention I'm using hoary beta
[05:35] <GammaRay> IcedKiwi: burn the disk and make sure your bios boots from the cd before the disk
[05:35] <crimsun> Zepp: returned straight to prompt?
[05:35] <Marble2> How can I route windows from certain apps to a specific instance in gnome (you know, the 4 things in the bottom right corner? What's it called anyway)
[05:35] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[05:35] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: linux is supposed to mount the flash drive automatically (by plugging it in)
[05:35] <Zepp> crimsun, yes
[05:35] <linux_galore> Im downloading Kubuntu 5.04
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> i always have it setup to do that
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> what is kubuntu?
[05:36] <crimsun> Zepp: now log out and back into kde
[05:36] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: the links to the MSI's don't go anywhere
[05:36] <Ely__> ubuntu with KDE
[05:36] <perhe> Ely__, well I have no idea .. all I know is that my card won't activate .. perhaps this is not the problem then
[05:36] <Zepp> crimsun, alright one moment
[05:36] <linux_galore> only getting 125k/s on the download........:-(
[05:36] <calc> crimsun: the ipw2200 drives in ubuntu kernel are pretty old
[05:36] <Ely__> perhe, ever gotten it to work in linux before??
[05:36] <crimsun> calc: k
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> i can only install one linux at a time, and today i got fc3, so naturally i installed it
[05:36] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:36] <calc> crimsun: i know for certain they don't work on amd64, but they should work on what the cards come in... centrinos ;)
[05:36] <perhe> Ely__, no, it's all rather new
[05:37] <Ely__> perhe, make sure the card is "on" before trying to get a lease or such
[05:37] <Ely__> perhe, what laptop?
[05:37] <linux_galore> fc3 is sooo broken.....I threw it in the bin
[05:37] <perhe> Ely__, gl1557
[05:37] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:37] <DonL> me too, linux_galore
[05:37] <IcedKiwi> i bought it for $20 AUD from the NewsAgent. I have an impulse-buying problem
[05:37] <calc> on amd64 it failed to even upload the firmware with the old driver (iirc)
[05:38] <IcedKiwi> if i wasnt saving for a new cpu, i would have walked out with a lot more
[05:38] <GammaRay> linux_galore: it took a couple of installs to get it working here.. the installer even crashed cuz it ran out of space
[05:38] <Ely__> perhe, is there an indicator light for your wireless showing that it's active?? on some laptops the card is not active by default in linux .. you might have to make changes in bios or turnit on manually using the switch
[05:38] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: Linux Format DVD version magazine has SuSE 9.2 bootable DVd version on the cover AU$24
[05:38] <Ely__> perhe, if that's all setup and dandy then we can look at the driver problem
[05:39] <IcedKiwi> i dont have a dvd drive :'(
[05:39] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: fully installable too
[05:39] <njan> I have 3, and I don't regularly use any of them :p
[05:39] <perhe> Ely__, there's a light here which will be on if the wireless is active .. but right now Im just trying to activate the card
[05:39] <IcedKiwi> care to send me one?
[05:39] <perhe> Ely__, If I try to activate it, then it deactivates itself autoamticly
[05:39] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:40] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: get a JVC DVDrom from interbyte for AUD$35
[05:40] <njan> IcedKiwi, wouldn't be much use; all bar one are laptop dvd drives, and I can't give the one away, because it's technically not mine :p
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> oh ok
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:40] <GammaRay> is it even legal to duplicate suse cds?
[05:40] <DonL> Thanks for the chat folks. I'm off now to watch a movie
[05:40] <njan> GammaRay, probably not.
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> i only have $21
[05:40] <calc> GammaRay: once novell bought them they distribute the dvd at least online
[05:40] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: there up near thornleigh
[05:40] <calc> not sure about cds
[05:40] <njan> GammaRay, apart from the ftpinstall CD..
[05:40] <IcedKiwi> and its probably going on a real modem
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> external
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> i just generally need a new computer
[05:41] <MMond> I am terribly lost -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s . . . can anyone at least give a mere hint on where to begin tackling this problem
[05:41] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: live in Sydney I have a spare external
[05:41] <Redwraith111> Hey all
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> ive had the same one, with no upgrades since 2002
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> its wasnt even great, then
[05:41] <IcedKiwi> i live in Brisbane
[05:41] <GammaRay> if you make me buy it that's fine.. but to have a non free license onm parts of it is just too much
[05:41] <Redwraith111> How can I get mp3's working on hoary?
[05:41] <Redwraith111> I have tried.. I cant get it
[05:42] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: Im in brisbane come wed
[05:42] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: partition magic under windows
[05:42] <MMond> Redwraith111: xmms? :s
[05:42] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone?  I've been looking for USB and wireless help all day and been running in circles
[05:42] <calc> they have a 67MB cd image and 3.3GB dvd image on their ftp site
[05:42] <crimsun> Redwraith111: enable the universe repo and sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:42] <Redwraith111> yeah
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> im at school on wednesday
[05:42] <linux_galore> lol
[05:42] <Redwraith111> i installed xmms
[05:42] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: fdisk/parted/qtparted under linux if the disk mounts
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[05:42] <Redwraith111> now i broke it
[05:42] <Redwraith111> it froze on me when i tried to play an mp3
[05:42] <crimsun> Redwraith111: change the output plugin to use esound
[05:42] <Redwraith111> i restarted x
[05:42] <Redwraith111> and now it wont work at all
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> maths exam that im probably gonna get a c on
[05:42] <linux_galore> goto visit my parents just south of brisbane
[05:42] <IcedKiwi> redlands?
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> logan?
[05:43] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: does your drive mount in gnome by simply plugging it in to your machine
[05:43] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: yeah near there......forgot the suburb
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:43] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: no
[05:43] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they just moved into a new house in dec
[05:43] <IcedKiwi> i live on the west-ish side
[05:43] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: own a copy of partition magic?
[05:43] <Redwraith111> that package doesnt exist
[05:44] <IcedKiwi> but my grandparents and and uncle live in the redlands
[05:44] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: nope but I'm sure i can "find someone who has it"
[05:44] <IcedKiwi> i used to
[05:44] <maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: have looked up your drive's manufacture's website (they might have special utilities)
[05:44] <MMond> Can anyone help me? Or should I maybe repeat all of that again? :x
[05:44] <SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: they don't have support downloads for it
[05:44] <Redwraith111> how can i unbreak xmms
[05:44] <crimsun> Redwraith111: restart xmms
[05:44] <Ely__> Redwraith111, use beep-media-player !!! I'm a self proclaimed promoter of that player
[05:45] <Redwraith111> ?
[05:45] <Redwraith111> I got xmms installed
[05:45] <GammaRay> Redwraith111: oh please
[05:45] <Redwraith111> now it wont open again
[05:45] <crimsun> Redwraith111: does xmms crash when you open it?
[05:45] <Redwraith111> it doesnt open anymore
[05:45] <Ely__> modern times call for a modern media player! down with gtk 1.x
[05:45] <Redwraith111> at all
[05:45] <GammaRay> Ely__: oh please..
[05:45] <IcedKiwi> brb- im getting thirsty
[05:45] <Redwraith111> nevm
[05:45] <GammaRay> Redwraith111: that was meant for Ely__
[05:45] <Redwraith111> i can run it from console
[05:45] <crimsun> Redwraith111: ok. Now go to preferences -> plugins -> output
[05:46] <crimsun> Redwraith111: change it to esound
[05:46] <GammaRay> Redwraith111: the path is probably wrong in a the launcher
[05:46] <Redwraith111> esound or alsa
[05:46] <Redwraith111> my sndcard is alsa
[05:46] <crimsun> Redwraith111: esound.
[05:46] <Redwraith111> hmm
[05:46] <Redwraith111> doesnt work
[05:46] <Redwraith111> it says: make sure yada yada
[05:46] <crimsun> Redwraith111: is esd or polypaudio running?
[05:47] <GammaRay> Ely__: try gtk2 sometime on my computer.. no fun
[05:47] <Redwraith111> whats that
[05:47] <Ely__> GammaRay, how fast?
[05:47] <tsume> question
[05:47] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: victoria point
[05:47] <crimsun> Redwraith111: open a Terminal and type: pgrep esd
[05:47] <tsume> I installed ubuntu hoary
[05:47] <GammaRay> Ely__: K6-2 266 w/ 128MB ram..
[05:47] <tsume> and.. sshd only starts on ::1
[05:47] <tsume> which is tcp5
[05:47] <tsume> tcp6
[05:47] <tsume> am I missing something?
[05:47] <Ely__> GammaRay, that would explain it.. but I don't blame that on GTK2 .. there is a cost for eyecandy
[05:47] <crimsun> tsume: it's both ipv4 and ipv6
[05:48] <dampjam> I really messed up xorg.  Is there an easy way to run through the xorg configurator that I did when I first installed hoary?
[05:48] <Redwraith111> 25121
[05:48] <Ely__> hence why we want faster computers
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: it only started on ::1
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: I looked
[05:48] <virtuald> ::1 == ipv6 localhost
[05:48] <tsume> virtuald: I'm aware
[05:48] <virtuald> tsume: check the config
[05:48] <Redwraith111> thast the output i got 25121
[05:48] <crimsun> tsume: openssh-server listens on ipv4 and ipv6
[05:48] <virtuald> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: I know!
[05:48] <MMond> Are there any conflictions with apache2 and php4 and ubuntu? o.0
[05:48] <tsume> crimsun: its not listening on ipv4 however!
[05:49] <crimsun> tsume: tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[05:49] <IcedKiwi> k im back
[05:49] <crimsun> tsume: ^^ doesn't appear at all?
[05:49] <Redwraith111> what else could be blocking the soundcard?
[05:49] <JDahl> MMond, I use it without problems
[05:49] <tsume> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[05:49] <maxchee> dampjam: X-configuration
[05:49] <maxchee> dampjam: xorgcfg
[05:49] <tsume> only ipv6, not ipv4
[05:50] <tsume> I need ipv4
[05:50] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they live at victoria point
[05:50] <crimsun> tsume: then it's working just fine ... and listening on both ipv4 and ipv6
[05:50] <Redwraith111> could my sblive drivers not be installed?
[05:50] <IcedKiwi> i used to live there!
[05:50] <crimsun> tsume: it _is_ listening on ipv4
[05:50] <ahijah> I have Ubuntu Version 4.10... has there been a kernal update recently?
[05:50] <Ely__> anyone knows how I can get codecs for totem?? the default installation of totem doesn't seem to be able to play divx files
[05:50] <tsume> crimsun: I don't think so
[05:50] <MMond> JDahl: Any chance you can spare a sec to view my problem? -->  -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s
[05:50] <Ely__> I search apt universe sources and no luck
[05:50] <crimsun> tsume: I _know_ so.
[05:50] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: I used to live at Jamboree Heights when i was there
[05:50] <Ely__> ed*
[05:50] <tsume> crimsun: it means its listening on tcp6 only
[05:50] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:51] <IcedKiwi> I live near Indooroopilly
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: and if it doesn't, then that means linux's netstat is broken
[05:51] <Redwraith111> will a restart help at all?
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: I can telnet to the ipv6, not ipv4
[05:51] <Zepp> crimsun, seems to be sound in kde now. you how can i have module load at boot always now? or will it
[05:51] <SiRrUs> good evening gentlemen
[05:51] <crimsun> tsume: sshd listens on all interfaces by default
[05:51] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: lol my mum used to drag me around the shopping center at indoorpilly.......used to be nice and new back then
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: by default yes
[05:51] <crimsun> Zepp: echo snd-sbawe | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:51] <IcedKiwi> lol
[05:51] <atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
[05:51] <tsume> crimsun: then this means something is messing up with this "default" system
[05:51] <IcedKiwi> i go there at least twice a week
[05:52] <JDahl> MMond, maybe you forgot to install libapache2-mod-php4? that's a typical mistake
[05:52] <IcedKiwi> its got everything but a competent computer shop
[05:52] <crimsun> tsume: ,,telnet localhost 22'' does what?
[05:52] <maxchee> dampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
[05:52] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they still have the big water feature in the middle or did they dump that
[05:52] <maxchee> dampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xorg-common
[05:52] <SiRrUs> ahijah check the topic ;)
[05:52] <tsume> crimsun: hangs
[05:52] <IcedKiwi> not at indro
[05:52] <tsume> and I see why :)
[05:52] <IcedKiwi> they have one at carindale though
[05:52] <odie5533> Does anyone know how to run gnome and kde at the same time?
[05:52] <JDahl> MMond, there shouldn't be anything to it... just install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and you're set to go
[05:53] <tsume> there is no ipv4 address assigned to localhost by install default
[05:53] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi: must have removed it
[05:53] <tsume> theres something wrong here
[05:53] <crimsun> tsume: there absolutely are, or several things will break horridly
[05:53] <maxchee> does anyone who the relationship between xrender, dri and openfl?
[05:53] <tsume> crimsun: theres something really wrong here
[05:53] <crimsun> tsume: something happened on _your_ install
[05:53] <maxchee> sorry, opengl
[05:53] <tsume> crimsun: I know its localhost
[05:53] <tsume> crimsun: sshd is getting confused I think
[05:53] <linux_galore> maxchee: here all different
[05:53] <Redwraith111> anyone have any ideas on the sound?
[05:53] <IcedKiwi> what does it mean when there is a yellow background to someones text?
[05:54] <crimsun> tsume: what does the following do: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[05:54] <MMond> I was hoping it would had been that easy.. almost Windows style - checking off a few things on Synaptic and I'm good to go.. with apache it was pretty simply, but there seem to be a lot more troubles now that I've installed a few more mods.. I'm getting nasty port errors and whatnot - and I haven't even touched anything everything is at defauly-- or should be..
[05:54] <maxchee> linux_galore: what does xrender do then?
[05:54] <optiks> afternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed to kde for some reason?
[05:54] <atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
[05:54] <crimsun> Redwraith111: what error did you get with xmms (esd output)?
[05:54] <Redwraith111> the one about the resourse being busy
[05:54] <crimsun> Redwraith111: with esound?
[05:54] <Redwraith111> and in terminal i get the error :
[05:54] <tsume> crimsun: still hangs ;)
[05:54] <MMond> simple* default*
[05:54] <atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
[05:54] <tsume> I'm curious why sshd doesn't want to listen on 127.1 22
[05:55] <Redwraith111> nothing.. but it says device busy
[05:55] <linux_galore> maxchee: opengl is in direct competition to Direct X  dri is a low level render option think hardware and xrender is a software render option
[05:55] <Redwraith111> Coudnt open audio
[05:55] <tsume> it does in fact listen on 192.168.1.3
[05:55] <Redwraith111> check that your sound card is installed properly etc
[05:55] <IcedKiwi> whats that number?
[05:55] <maxchee> linux_galore: so xrender pairs up with dri and mesa pairs up with native open driver?
[05:55] <crimsun> Redwraith111: what was the output of ''pgrep esd,, ?
[05:55] <JDahl> MMond, I've never had problems... but I havent had both apache1.3 and apache2 installed on the same time. The "no-brainer" solution could be to purge everything related to apache and start over with only apache2.0
[05:56] <crimsun> tsume: please paste me the output of ,,ip a'' (sanitise if you're paranoid)
[05:56] <linux_galore> maxchee: well dri is often not activated with some drivers its built in.....mesa is just another lib
[05:56] <crimsun> (in private or in #flood)
[05:56] <tsume> crimsun: minute, let me ask another question
[05:56] <tsume> is sshd installed by default?
[05:56] <crimsun> no.
[05:57] <crimsun> you need to install openssh-server.
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: I don't remember the install menu
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: oh
[05:57] <Zepp> crimsun, any idea why sometimes sound will play or not play sorta. or will like cut out. kinda like something else is using the audio device or takes it over :/
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: my friend was installing ubuntu, hence the questions I couldn't answer
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> Hey DarthFrog
[05:57] <DarthFrog> hi IcedKiwi
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> did you get some sleep?
[05:57] <micmur> Hey all
[05:57] <Redwraith111> 25121
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> or food
[05:57] <Redwraith111> that is the output of pgrep esd
[05:57] <crimsun> Zepp: I need much more information, for instance any errors displayed regarding sound and which applications...
[05:57] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: Just came back from dinner out. :-)
[05:57] <linux_galore> yeah need openssh-server and port 22 open to get a remote host login to the localhost
[05:57] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It's 9 pm here.
[05:57] <IcedKiwi> how was it?
[05:58] <IcedKiwi> ok
[05:58] <IcedKiwi> its 3pm here
[05:58] <linux_galore> date:
[05:58] <linux_galore> Sun Mar 20 16:02:23 EST 2005
[05:58] <Zepp> crimsun, no errors. and just kaffeine. was trying to just play some wav grabbed off net to test. sometimes it seems like it would play and others it played but nothing came out :/
[05:58] <crimsun> Redwraith111: ok, good.  Now please do this in a Terminal: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:58] <MMond> JDahl: What I have been doing is a complete removal of everything related to anything of this sort.. proxy settings, apache, php, etc., and doing a complete fresh install.. but I think I might had missed something .. apache2 is currently working, but when I try to go to a php file.. I get the stupid "save dialog" . . . I can't figure out what else it could be..
[05:58] <micmur> Anybody familar with alsa?
[05:58] <crimsun> micmur: what's up?
[05:58] <tsume> ubuntu is nice
[05:58] <micmur> HEY!
[05:58] <maxchee> will gnome & gtk support dnd in its filechooser widget in a future version?
[05:58] <micmur> Just the man I was looking for
[05:58] <tsume> everything works :
[05:58] <Redwraith111> 0 snd_intel8x0
[05:58] <Redwraith111> 1 snd_emu10k1
[05:58] <tsume> :)
[05:59] <micmur> How are you doing?
[05:59] <crimsun> micmur: not bad, being bombarded. Yourself?
[05:59] <linux_galore> lol Ubuntu servers seem to be getting hammered right now
[05:59] <micmur> Pretty good thanks
[05:59] <crimsun> Redwraith111: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0m
[05:59] <JDahl> MMond, just removing with either "apt-get remove" or synaptic wont help... you need dpkg --purge to remove all debconf information from the apt database
[05:59] <maxchee> I expect to be able to drag a file from the filechooser to the trash applet
[05:59] <micmur> crimsun: Here's the problem
[05:59] <maxchee> or the desktop
[05:59] <maxchee> or any folders
[05:59] <MMond> JDahl: I am a total nub at this -- where exactly do I place the php files? :s
[05:59] <micmur> crimsun: I have sound but when I boot the sound is severely distorted. Also happens when I use mplayer
[06:00] <linux_galore> ack another 2 hours for Kubuntu
[06:00] <MMond> I am a total nub to linux/ubuntu/apache/php/mysql . . . :x
[06:00] <micmur> crimsun: In mplayer, I can't change sound output to esd either...and xmms only works with OSS
[06:00] <Redwraith111> ok...
[06:00] <Redwraith111> im using the sndblaster though..
[06:00] <crimsun> micmur: even with mplayer -ao esd ?
[06:00] <JDahl> MMond, the php files go the same places as html files (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install)
[06:00] <micmur> mplayer doesn't have that option
[06:01] <goxy> hey i have intel 536ep modem and this not work help me
[06:01] <crimsun> Redwraith111: apparently alsa's primary device is the onboard ac97 in your situation, not the sblive.
[06:01] <micmur> crimsun: I only have mpegp, oss, null, or pcm as options in mplayer
[06:01] <crimsun> Redwraith111: what was the output of that command I gave you?
[06:01] <Redwraith111> nothing
[06:01] <IcedKiwi-im> one thing i've noticed about irc is that you dont as many weirdos giving you links for porn sites
[06:01] <crimsun> Redwraith111: are you using warty or hoary?
[06:01] <Redwraith111> hoary
[06:01] <linux_galore> <-- has SB Live works fine
[06:02] <Redwraith111> i got the sndblaser to work by changing the alsa setting to the sndblaser instead of default
[06:02] <IcedKiwi-im> its IcedKiwi, but i got disconnected and had to get a new name...
[06:02] <Redwraith111> my onboard doesnt seem to want to work and it was default
[06:02] <Redwraith111> how can i get x or gnome to make a sound and see if it works?
[06:02] <Redwraith111> gaim...
[06:02] <MMond> (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install) <-- Could you please elaborate that? /
[06:02] <crimsun> Redwraith111: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:02] <holycow> IcedKiwi, sure, you just the fat fucks masquarading as 12 year old girls
[06:02] <micmur> crimsun:I go to play a quicktime file from apple.com and get video but very distorted and choppy sound
[06:02] <holycow> 40 year old fat fucks even
[06:02] <crimsun> Redwraith111: type that entire command into the Terminal
[06:02] <holycow> ehe
[06:02] <holycow> >_>
[06:02] <IcedKiwi-im> im actually13
[06:02] <Redwraith111> i did
[06:02] <JDahl> MMond, or ~/public_html might be saner for testing since you dont need admin privs
[06:03] <Redwraith111> options snd-intel8x0 index=-2
[06:03] <Redwraith111> is output
[06:03] <crimsun> Redwraith111: good, now reboot.
[06:03] <Redwraith111> x or the entire comp?
[06:03] <crimsun> Redwraith111: reboot.
[06:03] <Redwraith111> kk
[06:03] <Redwraith111> then come back or should sound work everywhere?
[06:04] <crimsun> Redwraith111: well I'd appreciate it if you let me know either way
[06:04] <Redwraith111> brb
[06:04] <Redwraith111> then i have another question to ask yo
[06:04] <Redwraith111> u
[06:04] <Redwraith111> about gaim switchboard errors
[06:04] <Redwraith111> i was runing debian two days ago
[06:04] <Redwraith111> and got them
[06:04] <Redwraith111> with firestarter running
[06:04] <crimsun> "switchboard"?
[06:04] <MMond> JDahl: http://127.0.0.1/apache2-default/, this seems to be the address for the local server, what would be the absolute path for the files, within my harddrive?
[06:04] <Redwraith111> now ubuntu is doing it too
[06:04] <JDahl> MMond, the files you see when you type "http://localhost" in firefox are stored in ~www-data... but you should test stuff in ~/public_html
[06:04] <Redwraith111> and there is no firewall
[06:04] <linux_galore> ?? @ switchboard
[06:04] <crimsun> Redwraith111: ok, let's tackle the sound first.
[06:05] <Redwraith111> nvm.. they only go when u arent connected enough
[06:05] <Redwraith111> see you on the flip
[06:05] <linux_galore> <-- on gaim
[06:05] <crimsun> micmur: what happens if you use alsa directly with mplayer?
[06:05] <Redwraith111> i dont use sudo because i set up the root account and just su
[06:05] <IcedKiwi-im> neway, linux_galore, u said u have a spare external modem?
[06:05] <micmur> crimsun:how would I do that?
[06:05] <JDahl> MMond, of course you need to create ~/public_html and make it readable for all
[06:05] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi yeah gathering dust
[06:05] <Zepp> How can i use xmms with the kde sound system. kde just takes over the sound device and nothing else can play until its idle time hits and it lets go :/
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> care to post it to me?
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> lol
[06:06] <linux_galore> IcedKiwi pffft
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> huh?
[06:06] <linux_galore> bugger that
[06:06] <IcedKiwi-im> fine then....
[06:07] <crimsun> micmur: mplayer -ao alsa <some file>
[06:07] <JDahl> MMond, I should also mention that if you use ~/public_html, then the correct url would http://localhost/~username
[06:07] <MMond> Mmm, simply plain off - what files from synaptic would I need to get LAMP going on?
[06:07] <Redwraith111> thanks crimsun
[06:07] <Redwraith111> it works like a charm
[06:07] <IcedKiwi-im> wb, redwraith
[06:07] <micmur> crimsun:I'll try that now...
[06:07] <Redwraith111> lets see if it works in xmms
[06:07] <Redwraith111> with the esound
[06:07] <wpiku> anyone know why a new ubunty hoary install would fail on "Stopping tasks: [06:08] <aspuru> How come I can't get totem or wxvlc or tuxracer to use the sound?
[06:08] <Redwraith111> im really interested in learning what that DID
[06:08] <wpiku> ubuntu even
[06:08] <aspuru> although gnome uses the sound?
[06:08] <Redwraith111> like i saw the command but im really knew
[06:08] <aspuru> (same or similar problem)
[06:08] <JDahl> MMond, maybe first find a simple php test script, and make sure it works? It shouldnt be hard
[06:08] <crimsun> Redwraith111: you don't need esound in xmms
[06:08] <crimsun> Redwraith111: you can set it to oss or alsa
[06:08] <pinPoint> how do you close dselect
[06:08] <Redwraith111> alright
[06:08] <pinPoint> the ones that are 'floating'
[06:08] <wpiku> this is amd64 too
[06:08] <Redwraith111> but what did that all "gibberish" mean
[06:08] <Redwraith111> like i cant do that by myself lol if i reinstall
[06:08] <crimsun> pinPoint: scroll down to quit and press enter
[06:09] <Redwraith111> thanks alot
[06:09] <Redwraith111> im gonna try to get my printer working
[06:09] <Redwraith111> i got it working in deb so...
[06:09] <Redwraith111> lets see
[06:09] <pinPoint> crimsun: can there be ones that are... in memory
[06:09] <crimsun> Redwraith111: that last command told alsa to choose any other command over your onboard.
[06:09] <Redwraith111> ill bb in 5 min
[06:09] <pinPoint> aspuru: you got wxvlc working
[06:09] <crimsun> Redwraith111: rather, any other sound card over...
[06:09] <MMond> JDahl: Well as far as testing.. I'm simply having this put in: http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/ . . . it gives me a dialog saying "save this file," so obviously at this - php is not properly installed . . . but what would be the absolute path within my harddrive at the files?
[06:09] (micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: Playing alsa.
[06:09] (micmur/#ubuntu) File not found: 'alsa'
[06:09] (micmur/#ubuntu) Failed to open alsa
[06:10] (MMond/#ubuntu) And I'm just asking the absoulte path merely out of curiousity - I can't do anything now it seems, but I would like to know :s
[06:10] <Redwraith111> wow that was insanely easy
[06:10] <Redwraith111> i didnt even have to install cups or anything@
[06:10] <Redwraith111> !*
[06:10] <crimsun> micmur: no, you need a file
[06:10] <crimsun> micmur: mplayer -ao alsa foo.mp3
[06:10] <linux_galore> Zepp: you can use kmplayer  just kde front end to mplayer that way it sync's with artsd fine
[06:10] <Redwraith111> YES YES
[06:10] <crimsun> micmur: like that.
[06:10] <Redwraith111> god.
[06:10] <Redwraith111> lol
[06:11] <Redwraith111> thanks all
[06:11] <crimsun> Redwraith111: np
[06:11] <micmur> k
[06:11] <Redwraith111> how can i share it with a windows PC?
[06:11] <micmur> That's what I did...
[06:11] <Zepp> linux_galore, what about xmms?
[06:11] <aspuru> pinpoint with no audio yes
[06:11] <crimsun> Redwraith111: windows pc should be able to access files on your ubuntu computer?
[06:11] <micmur> crimsun: sudo mplayer --ao alsa /home/micmur/Music//home/micmur/Desktop/Music/u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3
[06:11] <linux_galore> Zepp: kde has juk  its like itunes on steroids
[06:11] <Redwraith111> i dunno.. did smb set up?
[06:11] <crimsun> micmur: no need for sudo
[06:11] <micmur> crimsun: that's what I typed in
[06:11] <Zepp> linux_galore, bro/family sorta used to winamp. dont know if can get them to convert haha
[06:11] <crimsun> micmur: just -ao, not --ao
[06:12] (Redwraith111/#ubuntu) but they have to have a user account on here dont htey?
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: no go
[06:12] (Redwraith111/#ubuntu) just set it up exactly as that one (name and password?)
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun:Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[06:12] (linux_galore/#ubuntu) Zepp: well juk has an advanced play list editor plus it can build a database for all the songs and make it searchable and even hook into online databases for cd covers and artist info for the song
[06:12] (micmur/#ubuntu) amongst other things
[06:13] <crimsun> micmur: that's not a fatal error for mplayer
[06:13] <IcedKiwi-im> eh
[06:13] <micmur> crimsun:It's telling me that it's Playing -.
[06:13] <micmur> Reading from stdin...
[06:13] <IcedKiwi-im> i need a hobby... the internet is getting boring...
[06:13] <micmur> crimsun:but I'm getting nothing...mplayer didn't even popup
[06:13] <linux_galore> micmur: run player at root first  is  sudo gmplayer
[06:14] <linux_galore> ie
[06:14] <micmur> k
[06:14] <linux_galore> bet it works
[06:14] <crimsun> micmur: I think you're using the wrong syntax
[06:14] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:14] <micmur> crimsun:ok, now mplayer opens
[06:14] <MMond> JDahl: Mm, given up helping? o.0 Please say so if you have :x
[06:15] <Redwraith111> icedkiwi... can you help me get my linux printer shared with windows? if your bored
[06:15] <IcedKiwi-im> lol
[06:16] <Redwraith111> im serious :)
[06:16] <IcedKiwi-im> im not smart enought to do that
[06:16] <Redwraith111> Well crimsun when your done I would appreciate your expertise
[06:16] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:16] <Redwraith111> Plus I like worship you now
[06:16] <micmur> sudo gmplayer -ao alsa some file doesn't work. It open but still distorted sound (playing at 2x speed)
[06:16] <IcedKiwi-im> wouldnt you need file compatibility, but for a printer? or something
[06:17] <linux_galore> micmur: trick I have with mplayer is to first run it as root then I go  sudo cp  /root/./mplayer*  /home/user_name   then sudo chown -R user_name  /home/user_name/./mplayer
[06:17] <Redwraith111> lol guys.. here we go again
[06:17] <Redwraith111> yesterday i spent 2 hours setting up my ati drivers on deb
[06:17] <crimsun> linux_galore: whoa, no need for all that.
[06:17] <Redwraith111> will i have to do what i did here?
[06:18] <crimsun> Redwraith111: using fglrx?
[06:18] <Redwraith111> yeah
[06:18] <Zepp> linux_galore, ya I will see.
[06:18] <JDahl> MMond, I was answering a few emails... from what you describe it seems that php is not installed
[06:18] <crimsun> Redwraith111: much simpler.  Read the relevant section of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:18] <linux_galore> crimsun: thats not all of it then I had to copy the /etc/mplayer/codecs  file to /home/user_name/codecs.conf
[06:18] <Redwraith111> printing was a HELL of alot easier too
[06:18] <MMond> JDahl: Seems so . . . plain off, what files are needed to get php on apache?
[06:18] <IcedKiwi> ive spent about 10 or so hours trying to find the right thingy to make my winmodem work in Linux
[06:19] <Zepp> I think this computer needs a faster cpu haha or more ram, or both
[06:19] <crimsun> linux_galore: not sure why you're even messing with all that.
[06:19] <Zepp> kde is a bit heavy on it. but oh well
[06:19] <linux_galore> crimsun: then it all worked fine........plays anything as a user
[06:19] <crimsun> micmur: please close all instances of mplayer
[06:19] <linux_galore> crimsun: because mplayer wont built the ./mplayer stuff properly as a user
[06:19] <IcedKiwi> and nothing to show for it, either
[06:20] <linux_galore> built = setup
[06:20] <Redwraith111> can i use xf86config to allow my comp to use higher res's?
[06:20] <JDahl> MMond, first please create ~/public_html and store an html file there... then use "http://localhost/~username/file.html" as the url in firefox.. that way at least you know where to store files. Otherwise type "cd ~www-data" like I mentioned
[06:20] <micmur> crimsun:done
[06:21] <crimsun> micmur: now do this: pkill esd ; pkill polypaudio ; mplayer -ao alsa ~/Desktop/Music/"u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3"
[06:21] <JDahl> MMond, as for php, you just need to write "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4"
[06:21] <linux_galore> crap Im dont to 56k/s on this Kubuntu download
[06:21] <crimsun> micmur: and really, you should stop pirating music ;)
[06:21] <linux_galore> down*
[06:22] <jnoon> is it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?
[06:22] <aspuru> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary <--- micmur, this just solved my problems with totem :)
[06:22] <Redwraith111> guys... i have xorg!
[06:22] <Redwraith111> oh
[06:22] <Redwraith111> dubh
[06:22] <bob2> jnoon: if you think it's a problem, please just follow up to the bug
[06:22] <Redwraith111> i was gonna install the warty ones
[06:22] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:23] <micmur> crimsun:Who said I pirated it?:)
[06:23] <Redwraith111> im so dense sometimes
[06:23] <Redwraith111> ill see you later
[06:23] <Ely__> is there some good way to add a recycle bin to ubunto desktop?? short of using gconf editor
[06:23] <Ely__> I find it kind of annoying that there is no icon for it
[06:23] <Ely__> or the option to turn it on rather
[06:23] <crimsun> micmur: the filename.
[06:23] <IcedKiwi> but theres one in the lower righthand corner of the screen
[06:23] <MMond> -> root@tosh:/var/www # ls apache2-default  docbook-dsssl
[06:23] <MMond> And just a sec, I'll place the html file there
[06:23] <Ely__> IcedKiwi, I mean a real desktop icon
[06:24] <IcedKiwi> oh
[06:24] <MMond> root@tosh:/var/www # ls <-> apache2-default  docbook-dsssl
[06:24] <jnoon> bob2, not sure what you mean.  on install it trying to automatic detect DHCP settings and fails, but if i run it again it figures them out.  problem is is i get that "kind" of connection for the rest of the time onward
[06:24] <micmur> crimsun:I typed it in like you put, but I'm still getting errors
[06:25] <IcedKiwi> woudnt 'create launcher' or somthing along those lines be able to do it?
[06:25] <crimsun> micmur: paste me in private the errors
[06:25] <micmur> k
[06:25] <bob2> jnoon: why do you think that has anything to do with ipv6?
[06:25] <ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
[06:26] <Ely__> IcedKiwi, I tried no luck yet
[06:26] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:26] <jnoon> bob2, well, that was my best guess after reading all around, and eliminating other things it could be.  doesnt mean im 100% right, just my best guess
[06:26] <Ely__> IcedKiwi, I'm just amazed how ubuntu went against Gnome HIG without adding an undo feature for this
[06:26] <mellinux> Man, fellas, I just found an old 10GB hard drive and now I'm dual-booting Ubuntu. This baby HAULS! I love it!
[06:26] <IcedKiwi> lol
[06:26] <micmur> aspuru:thanks for the link
[06:26] <mellinux> ..it beats the pants off of winXP.
[06:27] <micmur> mellinux:Welcome to the party!
[06:27] <ells> I am dumping xp next week
[06:27] <mellinux> gracias.
[06:27] <ells> totally ubuntu
[06:27] <mellinux> I'm trying to figure out sound.
[06:27] <micmur> ells:I'm this close to dumping xp
[06:27] <IcedKiwi> the only thing winXP beats the pants off is just about every other windows ive used...
[06:27] <ells> micmur, I just am fed up with it
[06:27] <mellinux> I got GAIM to go "brrrrrrring" every time I get a message, but I can't seem to play CD's.
[06:28] <MMond> Dear God . . . "Can't open file to write," that's what it says when I try to say save it in /var/www, what possible wrong could had caused this now?
[06:28] <micmur> ells:You're preaching to the choir brother
[06:28] <ells> micmur, all the popups and with sp2, it cannot connect with wep enabled
[06:28] <ells> micmur, totally ridiculous
[06:28] <micmur> ells:agreed
[06:29] <ells> micmur, I will keep a small parition on my laptop for xp to do dvd burns, pda, and my ipod
[06:29] <crimsun> micmur: that error's simple: the file doesn't exist.
[06:29] <mellinux> Is there any way to make X-Chat use the PC's speakers, not the internal beeper, when I get a message or it highlights?
[06:29] <MMond> -say*
[06:29] <Ely__> ells, to do DVD burns?? and ipod??
[06:29] <micmur> ells:only reason I still have xp is due to some web-design files i have for a client
[06:29] <Ely__> ells, can't both of those be done in linux?
[06:29] <ells> Ely_ yeap
[06:29] <IcedKiwi> at least your modems work....
[06:29] <JDahl> MMond, you likely dont have write permissions to /var/www...
[06:29] <mellinux> winXP is good to keep for the things that are for the masses
[06:29] <ells> Ely_ I cannot do total copies yet
[06:29] <mellinux> .. like the iPod
[06:29] <mellinux> , which i have.
[06:29] <micmur> crimsun:just wanted to make sure I'm not reading things incorrectly-which is the norm for me at this point, lol
[06:29] <ells> Ely_ dont know how to compress to put on 4.7
[06:30] <mellinux> And I'm going to use winXP for my iPod until I figure out how to use Ubuntu with it.
[06:30] <Ely__> ells, I'm sure I have seen a couple of apps that do that automatically
[06:30] <MMond> Ubuntu is extremely confusing to me.. how can I do this? Should I just save the file in desktop, and move it to there from root term?
[06:30] <ells> micmur,  just bought a 120 gig drive from tiger direct for 40 bucks
[06:30] <micmur> ells:Nice!
[06:30] <ells> Ely_ can you pass one on to me
[06:30] <micmur> what kind?
[06:30] <ells> micmur: good bargain, maxtor
[06:30] <DarthFrog> ells: Refurb?
[06:30] <ells> only 5400
[06:30] <Ely__> MMond, that's why they should make turning on desktop icons really easy
[06:30] <ells> DarthFrog,  naw new
[06:30] <micmur> ells:sata?
[06:31] <ells> micmur, I believe it is ide
[06:31] <micmur> i have a 120GB Maxtor sata in here
[06:31] <ells> micmur: I came across it the other night
[06:31] <ells> DarthFrog, could not pass it up
[06:31] <micmur> crimsun:you going to be around tonight?
[06:31] <crimsun> micmur: for a bit longer, yes.
[06:31] <DarthFrog> ells:  Holy smokes.  I just checked tigerdirect.ca.  They have the same drive for CDN$49.97.
[06:31] <micmur> cool, gotta go for a bit
[06:31] <ells> DarthFrog, this will give me 150 gig of space
[06:32] <omniscient> where are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?
[06:32] <ells> DarthFrog, see
[06:32] <micmur> crimsun:as always, thanks for the help!
[06:32] <DarthFrog> ells: I have a 200 gigger and a 120 gigger. Not short of space. :-)
[06:32] <ells> DarthFrog, read the fine print, you will have to send in one rebate i think
[06:32] <ells> DarthFrog, I only have a 30 on this desktop
[06:32] <IcedKiwi> 
[06:33] <ells> DarthFrog, it is setup so I can access ssh from school
[06:33] <mellinux> I'm overwhelmed at how fast this sucker is. Ubuntu flied on my old Pentium II laptop with ~180MB of RAM, but with a Athlon XP 2800+ and a gig of Mushkin RAM, this baby HAULS! Yesssss.
[06:33] <helio1> There are two packages in the Hoary update (libfaad2-0 and libxvidcore4) from the netim repositories that return the GPG error: "NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 (tailed)"  Should I accept them regardless or edit my repositories?
[06:33] <mellinux> flew*
[06:33] <DarthFrog> ells: That's very convenient.
[06:33] <ells> DarthFrog, I goto college and dont want to drag all my files around
[06:33] <ells> DarthFrog, just makes life easier
[06:34] <ells> DarthFrog, even my kids are converts. They want Xp of this machine
[06:34] <DarthFrog> ells: Yeah, it is after rebate.  CDN$69.97 before rebate.
[06:34] <MMond> Now ..  . what is the command to move file from one place to another..  /home/user/Desktop/text.html to /var/www . . .
[06:34] <ells> DarthFrog,  still not bad
[06:34] <omniscient> mv
[06:34] <dark> mv
[06:34] <Ely__> anyone knows a package equivilant to "mscorefonts" in debian?
[06:34] <dark> mv orig new
[06:34] <IcedKiwi> xp is a suped up 98
[06:35] <IcedKiwi> but slightly more stable :D
[06:35] <MMond> mv /home/user/Desktop/test.html /var/www/ -- would that work, omniscient?
[06:35] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[06:35] <omniscient> yes
[06:35] <Ely__> I need the arial font from that package
[06:35] <omniscient> :)
[06:35] <MMond> I hope you really are omniscient :D
[06:35] <MMond> Thanks you
[06:35] <MMond> -s*
[06:35] <omniscient> MM2_, i am.
[06:35] <calc> IcedKiwi: hmm i thought it was os2 -> nt -> 2000 -> xp
[06:35] <MMond> Hah!
[06:35] <ells> helio1, dont worry bout those ids
[06:35] <helio1> ells: so just DL them anyway?
[06:35] <IcedKiwi> good point
[06:35] <ells> helio1,yeah
[06:35] <MMond> Well, I suppose that could be accounted for a physical error - not a mental err!
[06:35] <ells> helio1, my partner says that like not registered or something
[06:36] <calc> 98 was win 1/2/3 -> 95 -> 98 -> ME -> dumpster
[06:36] <sabmoc> any Canadians interested in joining the Canadian Ubuntu team?
[06:36] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Looks interesting.
[06:36] <IcedKiwi> lol
[06:36] <JDahl> MMond, what's wrong with my suggestion about storing things in your homedir under /home/username/public_html? that way you can mess around all you want messing ruining anything... also, with danger of sounding condescending: be a bit careful what you're doing with web and ftp servers if you dont know what you're doing
[06:36] <helio1> ells: thanks! and cool about your kids preferring Ubuntu over xp
[06:36] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, glad you think so
[06:36] <ells> helio1, my son is pissed at all the pop ups
[06:36] <JDahl> s/messing/without/
[06:37] <helio1> hehe
[06:37] <ells> helio1, he is cool now that thru codeweavers i got macromedia to work and quicktime
[06:37] <IcedKiwi> 98 is good for one thing- making jokes that end in Gates dying
[06:37] <calc> like southpark movie :)
[06:37] <IcedKiwi> and just about every other human being very happy for a while
[06:37] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[06:37] <helio1> ells: hmm what do you mean got macromedia to work? which app?
[06:38] <Ely__> anyone successfuly played divx files or video files in general with totem?
[06:38] <ells> helio1, I have got codeweavers, ,it works over wine
[06:38] <IcedKiwi> until they remember certain 'politicians' are still alive...
[06:38] <helio1> Ely__: yes i have
[06:38] <Ely__> or do I need any special files added from some special repository?
[06:38] <ells> helio1, not en exact science though
[06:38] <MMond> JDahl: I think I missed that(while you repeated so many time, sorry), storing it there.. I'll give it a shot right now, including creating the folder public_html.. and oh, I have (finally) through root term, moved the file to /var/www
[06:38] <calc> the bluescreen when he was showing off 98 at ces was great :)
[06:38] <pinPoint> helio1: xvid, bin files too?
[06:38] <omniscient> how would i go about backing up my packages and package database, am going to reinstall ubuntu but dont want to have to download all those packages again..
[06:38] <Ely__> helio1, totem doesn't seem to play standard divx files.. can't find codec
[06:38] <IcedKiwi> is wine a windows simulator?
[06:38] <omniscient> planning on backing up to a dvd or 2
[06:38] <ells> IcedKiwi,yes
[06:38] <helio1> pinPoint: i haven't tried xvid yet
[06:38] <calc> Ely__: totem-xine will play them
[06:38] <IcedKiwi> is it expensive?
[06:38] <ells> IcedKiwi,more like an emulator
[06:39] <pinPoint> helio1: bin?
[06:39] <ells> wine is free
[06:39] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: No.  It's an implementation of the Win API in Linux.
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> coo;
[06:39] <omniscient> Ely__, vlc
[06:39] <Ely__> calc, thank you!
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> *cool
[06:39] <ells> DarthFrog, ,thanks
[06:39] <helio1> Ely__: yes, I think I converted to Totem-Xine early on
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> does Linux automatically come with it?
[06:39] <Ely__> omniscient, I want totem for the thumbnailer
[06:39] <calc> Ely__: you just need to add universe to your sources.list and then install that instead of totem-gstreamer
[06:39] <ells> IcedKiwi, yes
[06:39] <IcedKiwi> oh
[06:39] <omniscient> ah ok
[06:39] <ells> well if apt-get
[06:39] <ells> IcedKiwi, ,make sure you get winesetuptk as well
[06:39] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It will be apt-gettable if not installed.  Crossover is a commercial implementation of Wine.
[06:40] <IcedKiwi> i only have a winmodem but it still doesnt work
[06:40] <helio1> pinPoint: I nope; haven't tried bin yet; just divx, quicktime, avi stuff so far... some wmv too
[06:40] <Ely__> sorry if this is a dumb question.. but is there a way to "su" in ubuntu?
[06:40] <calc> sudo su -
[06:40] <IcedKiwi> yes
[06:40] <Ely__> hah
[06:40] <Ely__> thanks
[06:40] <DarthFrog> Ely__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:40] <Ely__> sorry... I am used to oldschool distros
[06:41] <DarthFrog> Ely__: If you assign a password to root, it'll work like you're used to.
[06:41] <Ely__> awesome
[06:41] <IcedKiwi> hehe, i just killed another split end...
[06:42] <pinPoint> where can i get vlc
[06:43] <crimsun> pinPoint: in universe
[06:44] <IcedKiwi> its so quiet
[06:44] <crimsun> the calm after the storm
[06:44] <IcedKiwi> lol
[06:45] <IcedKiwi> as it early morning in the states?
[06:45] <pinPoint> crimsun: universe?
[06:45] <pinPoint> whats that?
[06:45] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It'll be 12:45 AM on the east coast.
[06:46] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:46] <ells> IcedKiwi, it is about 1045 at night
[06:46] <IcedKiwi> is that the side with LA or the side with New York?
[06:46] <DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: 9:45 pm here on the wet coast.
[06:46] <DarthFrog> New York.
[06:46] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:46] <omniscient> where are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?
[06:46] <odie5533> anyone know a good way to delete all the kubuntu things if you install via terminal?
[06:47] <DarthFrog> omniscient: /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:47] <omniscient> thanks
[06:47] <IcedKiwi> brb
[06:47] <pastyhermit> Does ubuntu have a good MP3 Ripper
[06:47] <pastyhermit> I tried the CD ripper but it doesnt do the trick
[06:47] <devmnky> hello
[06:47] <DarthFrog> pastyhermit: grip and lame make a good combo.
[06:47] <pastyhermit> supports all the useless formats in the world
[06:47] <linux_galore> pastyhermit: I use grip
[06:47] <pastyhermit> grip eh
[06:47] <pastyhermit> k cool
[06:47] <pastyhermit> apt-get install grip
[06:47] <linux_galore> grip is easy
[06:47] <ells> anyone know of a good way to rip a dvd, compress it and copy it back to a playable format for a home dvd player
[06:47] <devmnky> is there anyway to get kernel 2.6.10.x on ubuntu ? or is 2.6.8.x the latest one?
[06:48] <pastyhermit> devmnky, compile yourself :D
[06:48] <devmnky> is there a wiki for it /
[06:48] <DarthFrog> devmnky: Hoary has 2.6.10
[06:48] <linux_galore> ells: k3b can rip to divx
[06:48] <bob2> devmnky: er? 2.6.10 is the default on hoary.
[06:48] <MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x
[06:48] <DarthFrog> bob2: He's running warty.
[06:48] <devmnky> i'm using warty tho
[06:48] <MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80
[06:48] <linux_galore> ells: from a dvd
[06:48] <bob2> devmnky: 2.6.8.1 was the latest kernel when warty froze.
[06:48] <MMond> !ping
[06:48] <ells> linux_galore,  thought they only did data dvds
[06:48] <MMond> !ping
[06:49] <linux_galore> ells: nope
[06:49] <devmnky> so can i install 2.6.10 on warty ?
[06:49] <ells> really, since when
[06:49] <linux_galore> ells: been doing that for 3 months
[06:49] <pastyhermit> devmnky, depends how good you are
[06:49] <ells> linux_galore will check, be right back
[06:49] <pastyhermit> KDE 3.4 is faster than gnome
[06:49] <JDahl> MMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"
[06:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore, hey dude
[06:50] <linux_galore> hai sabmoc
[06:50] <pastyhermit> Initializing CPU#0
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU serial number disabled.
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000
[06:50] <pastyhermit> CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02
[06:50] <pastyhermit> ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1]  C2[C2] )
[06:50] <pastyhermit> ACPI: Processor [CPU0]  (supports 8 throttling states)
[06:50] <DarthFrog> devmnky: Simpler to change all your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary and do a total upgrade.  "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:50] <pastyhermit> oops
[06:50] <pastyhermit> I didnt mean for that much to come out
[06:50] <pastyhermit> lol
[06:50] <pastyhermit> please dont kick me :D
[06:50] <bob2> please don't do that
[06:50] <pastyhermit> sorry bob2
[06:50] <MMMond> sorry, I got disconnected.. <MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x <MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80 --- anything you had said?
[06:50] <devmnky> pastyhermit, i'm a linux newb
[06:50] <devmnky> but i follow instruction well ;)
[06:50] <JDahl> MMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"
[06:50] <pastyhermit> devmnky, then you will have to wait till the packages come out
[06:50] <pastyhermit> devmnky, otherwise you will be up the creek without a boat!
[06:51] <MMMond> JDahl: Got it, thanks
[06:51] <zenrox> devmnky,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:51] <IcedKiwi> im a linux newb
[06:51] <devmnky> i read that, but that doesnt tell me how to compile my kernel
[06:51] <zenrox> devmnky,  and www.ubuntuforums.org and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[06:51] <IcedKiwi> i need a driver for my modem
[06:52] <omniscient> if i reinstall ubuntu, then copy all my packages back to /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:52] <DarthFrog> devmnky: It's not a job for a newbie.
[06:52] <omniscient> then run apt-get update, then dist-upgrade
[06:52] <omniscient> will it recognise the files already in the archive?
[06:52] <omniscient> from previous install?
[06:53] <pastyhermit> prodigy ownz
[06:53] <devmnky> DarthFrog, i've compiled my kernel before with gentoo
[06:53] <DarthFrog> devmnky: I suggest that you don't do it till you've been around linux for a while.
[06:53] <DarthFrog> devmnky: Ah, I see. :-)  Sorry.
[06:53] <ells> Linux_galore, can you walk me thru it, I dont see it in there
[06:53] <devmnky> s'ok, but i'm still a newb
[06:53] <devmnky> ok, well short of compiling my kernel
[06:53] <devmnky> is there anyway of changing the kernel's config without a re-compile ?
[06:54] <devmnky> cuz i need to enable some drivers that hotplug doesnt recognize
[06:54] <MMMond> JDahl: Yes, the file is at /home/khan/public_html/test.html . . . and currently: http://localhost/user/test1.html --- I'm getting 404 :c
[06:54] <devmnky> but it has kernel support
[06:54] <JDahl> MMMond, http://localhost/~user/test1.html
[06:54] <pinPoint> what vlc should i install
[06:54] <IcedKiwi> wb odie
[06:54] <pinPoint> alsa
[06:54] <pinPoint> arts
[06:54] <arek> compiling a kernel is nothing difficult
[06:54] <pinPoint> esd
[06:54] <pinPoint> ggi
[06:55] <pinPoint> so many choices
[06:55] <ells> DarthFrog, ,I was told that K3b can rip a dvd to Divx. do you know if this is true, and if so how to doit
[06:55] <MMMond> The requested URL /~user/test1.html was not found on this server. <---> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
[06:55] <IcedKiwi> i miss my old 486...
[06:55] <pinPoint> wxWindows fronted for VLC?
[06:55] <JDahl> MMMond, sorry - http://localhost/~khan/test1.html
[06:55] <pinPoint> meaning?
[06:55] <DarthFrog> ells: k3b is a burning program, not a ripping program.  You want dvdrip to do DVD --> DivX.
[06:55] <MMMond> The requested URL /~khan/test1.html was not found on this server.
[06:55] <MMMond> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
[06:56] <ells> DarthFrog, I want to be able to rip a dvd,  copy it and play it on my home player
[06:56] <IcedKiwi> i loved that old thing... *starts speaking the langague of flying plums*
[06:57] <DarthFrog> ells: Does your home player play DivX?
[06:57] <MMMond> Got it
[06:57] <omniscient> aw fuck why wont my dvd burner be recognised by k3b :(
[06:57] <MMMond> It's working
[06:57] <IcedKiwi> ok
[06:57] <ells> DarthFrog, DVDRip is cool,but it rips into vobs. Not sure about the home player
[06:57] <MMMond> Now - should I try a php file..
[06:57] <IcedKiwi> byesies
[06:57] <MMMond> Just for heck of it
[06:57] <JDahl> MMMond, that's odd... I have to leave, though. I cant remember if userdirs are enabled by default in apache. Maybe someone else can help you there
[06:57] <DarthFrog> ells: dvdrip combines with transcode to make the DivX.
[06:58] <ells> DarthFrog, can you walk me thru the process
[06:58] <DarthFrog> ells: Sorry, I don't do that. No experience.
[06:58] <blahrus> anyone having issues with hoary apt mirrors?
[06:58] <MMMond> Now . . . who's gonna help me?! Come on . . . someone with php/apache/linux/LAMP knowledge.. step right up
[06:58] <DarthFrog> ells: I'm sure that dvdrip would have tutorials.
[06:59] <nvashi2> back
[06:59] <ells> DarthFrog, I have dealt with dvdrip before, but it would not encode to divx for me
[06:59] <DarthFrog> MMMond: Depends. :-)
[06:59] <ChickenMaster> hey guys just wondering how do i boot without X-server so i can install the nvidia drivers for my MX440
[06:59] <DarthFrog> ells: No, it hands the job off to transcode.
[06:59] <DarthFrog> ChickenMaster: in a root console, type "init 1"
[07:00] <DarthFrog> ChickenMaster: When finished, type "init 2".
[07:00] <ChickenMaster> that all?
[07:00] <ells> DarthFrog, well I need to check it again, cause it would not encode
[07:01] <DarthFrog> ells: I'm sure the documentation will cover what you want to do.
[07:01] <ells> DarthFrog,  it should really, but the doc. is really vague
[07:01] <ells> DarthFrog, checked all over the internet
[07:02] <DarthFrog> ells: you could always boot into Windows and use dvdshrink.
[07:03] <ells> DarthFrog: no offense, that would defeat the purpose, trying to get off windows, ,kind of like going cold turker
[07:03] <DarthFrog> ells: Oh, I understand ferpectly.
[07:03] <|Gunther|> Hi I have a question guys
[07:03] <Andros> Shoot, Gunther
[07:03] <ells> DarthFrog, right now I am in dvdrip and it wont encode the video. it wants to rip it first
[07:03] <|Gunther|> Ilost my Ubuntu user password, how can I get into the system again and regain the control I once had?
[07:04] <DarthFrog> ells: Let it.
[07:04] <MMMond> DarthFrog: You're on. Alright . . . so uhh, I wanted to get LAMP working.. did so, at one point.. had installed Apache 1.3, php4, mysql . . . and everything seemed to work great together . . . then I saw apache2 was available . . . did a complete removal of everything, and installed everything again.. apache2, php4, mysql . . . now apache2 works, but not php . . . where to begin?
[07:04] <DarthFrog> ells: read the documentation about transcoding.
[07:04] <Andros> Hmm...Methinks your screwed there, Gunther.
[07:04] <|Gunther|> k thanks
[07:04] <MMMond> And oh, I'm also a LAMP/linux/ubuntu/php/mysql nub . . . this should make your night
[07:04] <ells> DarthFrog, I checked, I have the most current transcode
[07:04] <DarthFrog> MMMond: You're beyond me there.  I've not touched Apache 2 yet.  Seen no reason to.
[07:05] <MMMond> :(
[07:05] <DarthFrog> ells: Yeah, but it should tell you how to set up dvdrip to do the trancoding to MPEG-4 automatically.
[07:05] <Brunellus> anybody running fluxbox?
[07:05] <MMMond> DarthFrog: Thank you anyways for the mere attempt (really) :D
[07:06] <ells> DarthFrog, nope, I am suprised anyone has got this to work right, not very good doc
[07:06] <DarthFrog> MMMond: I've not gone to Apache 2 yet for exactly the problems you're having. Apache 1.3 works plenty good enough.
[07:07] <DarthFrog> Uh oh, hide the cheese, SeeleyUSMC's here. :-)
[07:07] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[07:07] <crimsun> Brunellus: on another machine, yes.  Why?
[07:07] <MMMond> DarthFrog: Suppose I install apache1.3.. and do leave apache2 as is - will this linger problems? Or shall I just do it?
[07:07] <anders_> ells: I usually use: 1. dvdbackup (rip dvd to harddisk), 2. "wine dvdshrink"(make it fit single layer dvd), 3. k3b(put video_ts files in dvd-video project, burn)
[07:07] <Brunellus> just curious.  if I apt-get fluxbox, will it be added to the GDM session-types menu automatically, too?
[07:08] <DarthFrog> MMMond: Once again, I have no experience.
[07:08] <ells> anders_ cool will try that but when I did before it did not see my dvd burner
[07:08] <DarthFrog> MMMond: But if it were me, I'd stick to Apache 1.3. :-)
[07:08] <crimsun> Brunellus: yes.  Just choose fluxbox in the Session menu of GDM.
[07:08] <anders_> ells: oh, I run "gksudo k3b"
[07:08] <|Gunther|> I have ubuntu, but i would like to selct it on GRUB, what parameters should be in place in the grub.conf?
[07:08] <DarthFrog> anders_: dvdshrink runs well under wine?
[07:09] <ells> anders, ,nice
[07:09] <omniscient> can i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?
[07:09] <Brunellus> crimsun:  will I be able to run nautilus under fluxbox under the default, as well?
[07:09] <MMMond> DarthFrog: For what inducement? Quiet honestly . . . the mere reason I had gone to apache2 was . . . well, because the number '2' was higher than the number '1.3,' and higher numbers are usually more dependable in today's world
[07:09] <omniscient> or do i HAVE to recompile kernel?
[07:09] <cam> whats the gnome update menu's command?
[07:09] <anders_> DarthFrog: not well, only reads harddisk and not really stable
[07:09] <ells> anders, this process should work for me,  will try
[07:09] <cam> my menu's just disapeared
[07:09] <cam> lol
[07:09] <DarthFrog> MMMond: I know that attitude all too well. :-)
[07:09] <jnoon> what would cause dns resolution to fail or take a long time (long than normal)?
[07:10] <ells> anders, you can play these on your home player
[07:10] <cam> omg
[07:10] <cam> and they are back
[07:10] <crimsun> Brunellus: yep
[07:10] <cam> weird
[07:10] <anders_> ells: yes, no problem
[07:10] <Brunellus> awesome.  apt-get time!
[07:10] <omniscient> can i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?
[07:10] <Quinn_Storm> MMMond: consider apache2 a new product, apache1.3 is the more stable right now
[07:10] <ells> anders_ did you say dvdbackup? not dvdrip
[07:10] <crimsun> omniscient: for your atapi cd/dvd-rom? no. It's done at boot-time.
[07:11] <MMMond> Quinn_Storm: Now there's a statement that talks to me . . . thank you, will do!
[07:11] <anders_> ells: yes dvdbackup
[07:11] <omniscient> ok. well i must just not have it then, do i have to compile it into the kernel? or should the module already be installed?
[07:11] <Quinn_Storm> MMMond: apache2 is like a development branch while 1.x is the stable branch
[07:11] <arek> MMMond: in fact for php apache 1.3 is better
[07:11] <ells> anders_ is this a program
[07:12] <anders_> ells: yes, apt-get install dvdbackup
[07:12] <MMMond> arek: Eh? o.0 Sounds odd, for at least php5, I would imagine . . . however, I know little of this . . . if you say so, I suppose you must be right
[07:12] <ells> anders_ cool, doing it now
[07:12] <arek> MMMond: some php modules will not be safe with apache2
[07:13] <Quinn_Storm> MMMond: its that apache2 is almost a totally new project, its based on apache code but a lot of the core is rewritten
[07:13] <arek> you must understand that apache2 was rewritten to better work under windows
[07:13] <devmnky> thx for your help
[07:14] <|Gunther|> is 4.10 the latest version?
[07:14] <crimsun> yes
[07:14] <crimsun> 5.04 will be out in April
[07:14] <|Gunther|> is there mp3 capability here>
[07:14] <|Gunther|> I mean on the disc
[07:15] <|Gunther|> maybe there a ubuntufaq.org i'll look into that instead nvm ty anyway
[07:16] <MMMond> Quinn_Storm: Makes sense . . . but my logic had merely lanced into the concept that the modern stuff will meet and go out to other modern stuff . . . apache2 to php5; apache1.4 to php5, but as you seem to be saying.. it isn't . . . I don't know.. just a bit strange
[07:16] <MMMond> 1.3*
[07:16] <mellinux> Hey guys, how on earth do I update Firefox to v1.0?
[07:16] <zenrox> |Gunther|, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:17] <mellinux> test
[07:17] <DarthFrog> |Gunther|: Search that URL for restricted formats.
[07:17] <omniscient> can someone help me with enabling this scsi emulation? tried reading some webpages but they seem to be all very old
[07:17] <|Gunther|> ty zenrox
[07:18] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[07:18] <|Gunther|> I have a question
[07:19] <|Gunther|> when i install mplayer, well see I already downloaded the codecs in .rpm format, could I just use the ones out of that?
[07:20] <zenrox> |Gunther|, read the adding repostories on that page
[07:20] <zenrox> and read dont use rpms
[07:20] <DarthFrog> |Gunther|: You could try.  Use "alien" to convert the rpm to a deb, first.
[07:20] <MMMond> arek: Would you  happen to know? if having apache2 installed at the same time as having apache1.3 . . . cause any conflictions? The guy who was helping me, JDahl . . . said he had both installed, and had them working correctly
[07:20] <|Gunther|> I mean the contents of the rpm, there are codecs in them, could I just place them in the right directory?
[07:20] <zenrox> |Gunther|,  u cant red deps of the files you want
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> MMMond: no they don't conflict .. as long as you run them on other ports etc
[07:21] <zenrox> red=get
[07:21] <zenrox> debs
[07:21] <arek> i use debian not ubuntu, on debian it work ok
[07:21] <DarthFrog> MMMond: No, there should be no conflicts.  And you can run them both at the same time, on different ports.
[07:21] <MMMond> But he's a h4x0r, he must had gone upon extra measures to balance everything . . . I've only recently started using Linux, I'm used to clicking "yes" and "next," and synaptic has been the easiest things so far . . . "check" and "apple"
[07:21] <MMMond> apple!
[07:21] <Antioch`> Whats Kubuntu?
[07:21] <pastyhermit> Ubuntu with KDE :D
[07:21] <Antioch`> Coulda guessed, lol
[07:21] <Antioch`> ;)
[07:21] <pastyhermit> kubuntu.co.uk
[07:22] <|Gunther|> I have Fedora, i used mplayer on that, i could open them rpm files that are codecs and just place them in the codecs folder for ubuntu right? its safe?
[07:22] <IcedKiwi> hi
[07:22] <Antioch`> What deps do ppl use with Ubuntu?
[07:22] <crimsun> makes more sense to enable the marillat repo and install w32codecs, |Gunther|
[07:22] <Antioch`> repositories*
[07:22] <crimsun> |Gunther|: see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[07:23] <MMMond> DarthFrog: Different ports... will I have to put that manually? Or will synaptic do that for me? :x
[07:23] <zenrox> ya its also how on the gudie one too |Gunther|
[07:23] <DarthFrog> MMMond: For what you're talking about, it's all done by hand.
[07:23] <omniscient> this is so frustrating :(
[07:23] <crimsun> omniscient: what is?
[07:23] <zenrox> omniscient,  just rember its better than windows
[07:23] <Brunellus> it works!
[07:24] <Brunellus> it's pretty brutally stripped-down, but it works.
[07:24] <omniscient> i try to, but windows burns dvds without be getting a headache
[07:24] <IcedKiwi> anyone know where to get drivers for a winmodem?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> Brunellus: good stuff
[07:24] <IcedKiwi> and how to install it?
[07:24] <Antioch`> Is there a release schedule anywhere?
[07:24] <MMMond> zenrox: but they can always go by ignorence.. since it is bliss, afterall . . . die happy :] 
[07:24] <arek> you can have them ran on standard 80 port on  different using vhosts
[07:24] <Brunellus> now all I have to do is work out how to tweak it.
[07:24] <zenrox> MMMond,  agree
[07:24] <DarthFrog> Antioch`:  Yes.   on www.ubuntu.com somewhere.
[07:24] <omniscient> i want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation
[07:24] <MMMond> DarthFrog: :( . . . I'll do it, I've come this far (although by clicking "yes" and "next") . . . but I wanna get to know php.. I'll do it!
[07:25] <MMMond> But not today. Today is my day.
[07:25] <crimsun> Antioch`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[07:25] <zenrox> Antioch`,  www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[07:25] <omniscient> so im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache
[07:25] <omniscient> and it's frustrating >:|
[07:25] <Antioch`> crimsun, zenrox, DarthFrog thanks
[07:25] <zenrox> Antioch`,  we aim to please
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> ugh
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> bacj
[07:26] <MMMond> Diablo-D3: welcome backj
[07:26] <omniscient> zenrox, can you aim in this direction for a sec? please?
[07:26] <omniscient> heh
[07:26] <MMMond> Jesus christ . . . I am something beyond a serf . . .
[07:26] <Antioch`> zenrox, Im looking into Ubuntu -- have used gentoo for some time, but Im growing tired of waiting for all the compiles
[07:26] <MMMond> Can't even deliberately make a typo ..  .
[07:26] <ells>  can anyone walk me thru using dvdbackup
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> lol
[07:26] <ells> got it, just dont know how to use it
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> anyhow
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> I dont think I can get ubuntu to work on this smallbox.
[07:27] <IcedKiwi> anyone?
[07:27] <DarthFrog> ells: google for it.
[07:27] <zenrox> Antioch`,  that was my bigest prob with gentoo
[07:27] <IcedKiwi> the driver can work on FC3 or Ubuntu!
[07:27] <ells> DarthFrog, yeah, just hoping I might get lucky and someone in here would know how to us eit
[07:27] <zenrox> omniscient,  so whats going on
[07:27] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: you can use Woody netinstall and dist-upgrade over
[07:27] <Antioch`> zenrox, what apt repositories do you use?
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: yup, I could
[07:28] <zenrox> Antioch`,  marlette
[07:28] <zenrox> and the universe
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: Im just trying to get a sane linux onto the box
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: doesnt have to be ubuntu
[07:28] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: tried netboot? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/view?searchterm=netboot
[07:28] <omniscient> zenrox:
[07:28] <omniscient> i want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation
[07:28] <omniscient> so im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache
[07:28] <omniscient> and it's frustrating >:|
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: no network card
[07:28] <omniscient> :)
[07:28] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: which pisses me off
[07:28] <crimsun> ah.
[07:29] <zenrox> omniscient,  i dont know but crimsun  might
[07:29] <cam> any news about ati+composite?
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> I'd swipe the network card from my laptop... except... my laptop has no network card. Its onboard.
[07:29] <IcedKiwi> how many of you guys are male?
[07:29] <arek> omniscient: no need for emulation
[07:29] <zenrox> as i dont have a dvd burnner
[07:29] <DarthFrog> omniscient: What device node is your burner?
[07:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Yay, I can use my flash card now :)
[07:29] <omniscient> hdb
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: it should not be this hard to install linux.
[07:29] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, where ya from
[07:30] <omniscient> arek: well, k3b doesnt detect it, neither does xcdroast
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> omniscient: you don't want SCSI emulation
[07:30] <IcedKiwi> installing linux is easy- why do people complain?
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: I cant even get at the hd without opening it up. I could put the hd in my laptop, and then install linux, but noooOOOOooo.
[07:30] <omniscient> i am able to view dvds with it, i just cant burn them
[07:30] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, I have a partner who is Harvey Seeley out in Cali
[07:30] <IcedKiwi> and im not exactly a seasoned linux user, either
[07:30] <SeeleyUSMC> ells: Born next to Seattle, WA live in 29 Palms, CA <-- Marine Corps Base
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: if you run 2.6, you dont want scsi emulation
[07:30] <|Gunther|> I had a tough time installing Ubuntu,
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: if you run 2.4, upgrade to 2.6
[07:30] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, my partner is a retired army MSG
[07:30] <IcedKiwi> oh
[07:30] <omniscient> i run 2.6
[07:31] <omniscient> and it doesnt work
[07:31] <|Gunther|> I had to install it 5 times in 2 and a half hours
[07:31] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[07:31] <IcedKiwi> the only thing i had any sort of problem with was partitioning
[07:31] <omniscient> well maybe it does, but i cant figure out why not
[07:31] <ells> SeeleyUSMC, he is in San Diego
[07:31] <IcedKiwi> it took me half an hour to figure out
[07:31] <IcedKiwi> but that was it
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> for the record, I use an ide burner in debian sid with 2.6, and k3b works fine for me
[07:31] <Ely__> I use gnomebaker
[07:31] <Ely__> good stuff
[07:31] <omniscient> yeah ive used this burner in debian before, to burn cds, but never used it to burn a dvd
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> k3b > *
[07:32] <omniscient> but now k3b just says i have no devices
[07:32] <omniscient> and its right here i can see and touch it, it's there.. believe me
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: do you have the dvd-cdrecord-whateveritis package installed?
[07:32] <|Gunther|> thing I HATED about Ubuntu installer was that it always tryed to installed its boot record to hda1, which was NOT where it was needed, so i eventually unhooked all my drives and installed it like that
[07:32] <Ely__> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/wp-content/gnomebaker1.png
[07:32] <IcedKiwi> lol
[07:32] <Ely__> I disagree with k3b > *
[07:32] <pussfeller> i keep getting can't find kubuntu-desktop
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> |Gunther|: hah
[07:32] <Ely__> gnomebaker at version .3 has a more consistent interface than k3b
[07:32] <omniscient> Diablo-D3, i dont have anything in my db only cdrecord and cdrecord-doc
[07:32] <Diablo-D3> Ely__: too bad. k3b > *.
[07:32] <omniscient> ?
[07:33] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: lemme go look
[07:33] <omniscient> ok thanks
[07:33] <IcedKiwi> im looking forward to the new (stable) version coming out
[07:33] <|Gunther|> 5 full installs later I finally overcame it. then went on to loose my password, now I am going to install ubuntu again
[07:33] <IcedKiwi> how many weeks to go?
[07:33] <virtuald> |Gunther|: you don't have to reinstall
[07:34] <MMMond> My keyboard (laptop..) does have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions?
[07:34] <MMMond> doesn't*
[07:34] <SeeleyUSMC> Did someone have the link for ubuntu and madwifi?
[07:34] <|Gunther|> k, please tell me how to get a one way encrypted password back and i'll be greatful there
[07:34] <SeeleyUSMC> I lost it
[07:34] <IcedKiwi> im aiming to have a job by then, so i can get some new hardware, that works under linux
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: Im thinking dvd+rw-tools
[07:34] <virtuald> |Gunther|: you don't, you change it
[07:34] <|Gunther|> virtuald: I'm listening...
[07:34] <MMMond> My keyboard (laptop..) doesn't have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions? <--
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: which may or may not be in ubuntu
[07:34] <virtuald> |Gunther|: boot to single user mode
[07:35] <virtuald> and do passwd user
[07:35] <omniscient> dvd+rw-tools is already the newest version.
[07:35] <omniscient> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:35] <omniscient> :(
[07:35] <|Gunther|> how? I am at the login screen and then i see where I should type in username and passwrd.
[07:35] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC: what link?  madwifi is part of Ubuntu and installed by default
[07:35] <|Gunther|> what is singe user mode?
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: meh =/
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: try running k3b as root
[07:35] <omniscient> i did that too
[07:35] <omniscient> 1st thing i did
[07:35] <omniscient> no luck
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: thats usually the cat...a... feh.
[07:36] <DarthFrog> mdz: Installed by default?  It's in linux-restricted-modules.
[07:36] <mdz> DarthFrog: correct
[07:36] <SeeleyUSMC> mdz: I think I have to install it
[07:36] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: did you try kicking it really hard?
[07:36] <virtuald> |Gunther|: when you get to grub, press escape or something to get to the menu, and chose recovery mode
[07:36] <|Gunther|> where dio I find Single user mode?
[07:36] <omniscient> dan@shit:/var/cache/apt $ ls -l /dev/hdc
[07:36] <omniscient> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-03-20 15:43 /dev/hdc
[07:36] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's ath_pci.
[07:36] <|Gunther|> kk tyvm
[07:36] <omniscient> is that the correct permissions Diablo-D3 ?
[07:36] <omniscient> for a dvd burner?
[07:36] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: those permissions dont even matter if you're root.
[07:36] <mdz> ath_pci is loaded automatically when a supported device is detected
[07:37] <IcedKiwi> brb
[07:37] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ath_pci is madwifi?
[07:37] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: yes.
[07:37] <SeeleyUSMC> hrm
[07:37] <Diablo-D3> omniscient: root is... uh... omniscient. Heh.
[07:37] <|Gunther|> so go into recovery mode, and type this exactlly?"passwd user"
[07:37] <omniscient> me :D
[07:38] <Diablo-D3> I officially hate the 4.10 install cds, btw
[07:38] <DarthFrog> omniscient: I'm glad to hear that.  What's making you happy?
[07:38] <omniscient> nothing
[07:38] <mdz> Diablo-D3: ?
[07:38] <omniscient> just random emoticon
[07:38] <virtuald> |Gunther|: yes. if after the boot it asks for root password, reboot again and in the menu press e to edit the kernel line, and add init=/bin/bash at the end
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> mdz: cant get them to work on a box with only 32 megs of memory
[07:39] <mdz> Diablo-D3: and so you _hate_ it?
[07:39] <DarthFrog> mdz: SeeleyUSMC has an Atheros based mini-PCI card.  Ath_pci loads fine, but he doesn't get an ath0 network interface.
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> mdz: it goes into low memory mode and then just craps out
[07:39] <Akira> Can anyone help me with a non linux computer problem...
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> mdz: Yes. Very much so.
[07:39] <mdz> that seems a bit extreme
[07:40] <mdz> DarthFrog: that's odd; are you sure ath0 isn't there?
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> mdz: well, I have to go track down another distro I dont hate.
[07:40] <razerman> has anyone got wine to run ona amd64 ? by building from source ?
[07:40] <SeeleyUSMC> mdz: I'll type up whatever you want me to show you
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> razerman: er, that probably doesnt work
[07:40] <SeeleyUSMC> ifconfig, iwconfig, whatever
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> razerman: you probably cant find amd64 binaries for your windows programs anyhoew
[07:41] <IcedKiwi> im back
[07:41] <DarthFrog> mdz: Very odd. If he does "ifconfig ath0 up" he gets "no such interface".
[07:41] <|Gunther|> k ty virtual d
[07:41] <mdz> DarthFrog: check dmesg
[07:41] <Diablo-D3> So, Hrm.
[07:41] <Diablo-D3> Hrm Hrm Hrm.
[07:42] <Akira> ath? what kind of connection is that?
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> this works,doesnt it?
[07:42] <razerman> Diablo-D3: i get a strange error when compiling the source. i cant find a fix on google though
[07:42] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: can you post the output of the dmesg command to pastbin.com?
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> razerman: then Dont Do That (tm)
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> razerman: or just file a bug on the wine bug tracker
[07:43] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: now that I have my USB working, yes
[07:43] <DarthFrog> mdz: he said he saw nothing relevant in dmesg but I've not looked at his output.
[07:43] <|Gunther|> will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install? just a question...
[07:43] <ells> this might be a funny question, I know that my dvd player is under media/cdrom0, but is that what I will use to use dvdbackup
[07:43] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: dmesg > out.txt  will capture the output to a file called out.txt.
[07:44] <ells> I tried to use dvdbackup -M -i/dev/dvd -o/my/dvd/backup/dir/
[07:44] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
[07:44] <mdz> DarthFrog: you said ath_pci loads fine...you mean that it automatically loads, or he loads it manually?
[07:44] <Akira> i think you use the dev/hdb or whatever
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> So, guys
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> that url I pasted
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> does that method work?
[07:44] <DarthFrog> mdz: manually and in /etc/modules.
[07:44] <Akira> /dev/hdb or whatever your cdrom is
[07:44] <Ely__> ells, check your /etc/fstab for what device name is used to mount
[07:44] <Diablo-D3> because I bet I can get the woody iso to work
[07:44] <mdz> DarthFrog: if it isn't loaded automatically, it doesn't support his card; there should never be a need to load it manually
[07:44] <ells> Ely_ cool man
[07:45] <DarthFrog> mdz: I'm coming to the opinion that he has an unsupported chipset.
[07:45] <mdz> DarthFrog: if it isn't supported by ath_pci, it's unlikely that it's an Atheros chipset at all
[07:45] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What chipset is it?
[07:46] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC: what is the exact make and model of the card?
[07:46] <|Gunther|> will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install?
[07:46] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You can use the "lspci -v | less" command to find out.
[07:46] <Ely__> I don't think we are 100% if earth will survive to see tomorrow
[07:46] <Ely__> is there anything that's 100%? :)
[07:47] <virtuald> |Gunther|: you would have to try to know
[07:47] <|Gunther|> idk, with u guys's philosophical questions...
[07:47] <virtuald> but why not get debs?
[07:47] <mdz> |Gunther|: I wouldn't recommend it; use the mplayer which is packaged for Ubuntu instead
[07:47] <Ygg> Good morning, everyone.
[07:47] <|Gunther|> I am dial upper as that I will take a long time in doing this
[07:47] <Ygg> Have a problem with Ubunutu and wireless, if anyone here can help.
[07:47] <Akira> power to the dialupers
[07:48] <|Gunther|> for the ubuntu distro? there is a mplayer package? or are you talking about a regular .deb file mdz
[07:48] <mdz> |Gunther|: yes, yes and yes
[07:49] <SeeleyUSMC> http://www.pastebin.com/260499 <-- dmesg
[07:49] <mdz> ath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL status 13
[07:49] <mdz> that's the relevant bit
[07:50] <Ygg> Anyone ran into a problem where Ubuntu loses WiFi connection after a few hours of regular work? ifconfig and iwlist show everything in order - AP seems to be associated, key is set, everything is fine - but nothing gets through. All pings get a 'destination unreachable'.
[07:50] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC:  a web search for that message should find you all sorts of answers
[07:50] <ells> Ely_ever use dvdbackup
[07:50] <Amaranth> anyone on hoary wanna test the latest version of my menu editor? :)
[07:51] <MMMond> Nope.
[07:51] <MMMond> I'm not on Hoary, sorry.
[07:51] <MMMond> Hoary and sorry rymes . . . that's no good..
[07:52] <|Gunther|> is it possible to have a working virus using wine without specifically running it... I mean wine comes with a virtual registy and everything, will a windows virus hurt anything that is linux?
[07:52] <|Gunther|> technobabble...
[07:52] <bob2> |Gunther|: don't run random crap from people and you'll be fine
[07:52] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: did you want the lspci as well?
[07:53] <Akira> i saw an article on running viruses in windows
[07:53] <Akira> on slashdot
[07:53] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  Only for specific identification of your chipset.
[07:53] <MMMond> |Gunther|: mere question is interesting.. I'd be interested in finding out the answer - now, are you asking merely out of curiosity yourself or have you actually to come to this?
[07:53] <|Gunther|> its curiosity
[07:54] <|Gunther|> just thought it up now
[07:54] <Diablo-D3> ooh
[07:54] <Diablo-D3> expert mode on the installer cd might work right
[07:54] <SeeleyUSMC> http://www.pastebin.com/260500
[07:54] <DarthFrog> Hmm, HAL level 13 error might mean your card isn't supported. :-(
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> or not
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> damn
[07:55] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You have an Atheros AR5212 chip.
[07:55] <ells> anyone ever use dvdbackup
[07:56] <slick> anyone have any experience installing azureus under kde desktop on ubuntu
[07:56] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: why does it say only root can use it?
[07:56] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Why does what say that?
[07:56] <slick> i have installed the gtk version and jre no probs, it loads but there is no splash and the program just doesnt start. Im confused because there are no errors or anything like that, it seems to start up fine
[07:57] <SeeleyUSMC>     Capabilities: <available only to root>
[07:57] <Diablo-D3> no
[07:57] <Diablo-D3> it says you can only see caps as root
[07:59] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You'll have give more info.  What capabilities?
[07:59] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: you can either continue to use your USB wireless NIC or go the ndiswrapper route.
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: its says that for the atheros
[08:00] <Akira> slick : try loading from the terminal?
[08:00] <slick> yes i have done
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I don't have a usb wireless
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> i have a usb wireless flash stick
[08:00] <SeeleyUSMC> thats how i can paste
[08:00] <slick> mike@columbo:~$ /apps/azureus/azureus
[08:00] <slick> Starting Azureus...
[08:00] <slick> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[08:00] <slick> Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02] 
[08:00] <slick> Configuring environment...
[08:00] <slick> Loading Azureus:
[08:00] <slick> java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/apps/azureus/Azureus2.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-gtk.jar:/apps/azureus/swt.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-mozilla.jar" -Djava.library.path="/apps/azureus" -Dazureus.install.path="/apps/azureus" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[08:01] <Diablo-D3> hahah wtf
[08:01] <slick> it starts fine
[08:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Ah.  Well, it's ndiswrapper for you. :-)
[08:01] <Akira> ugh, why is there so many updaes
[08:01] <Diablo-D3> its funny seeing a download go 40k/sec on dialup
[08:01] <slick> but just doesnt load the program, no splash or anything:/
[08:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:02] <slick> im using kubuntu, maybe it hasnt installed something the gui needs?
[08:02] <jnc> i have a question about Hoary
[08:02] <Akira> wow 40 k
[08:02] <Akira> what must be lying
[08:02] <jnc> i'm using SATA optical dvd burner drive, with Hoary Hedgehog amd64 preview
[08:02] <walski> is there a release date for full blown horay yeat?
[08:03] <jnc> it worked to burn an ISO once, and then?  bus error
[08:03] <jnc> so i cannot use it again without reboot
[08:03] <jnc> would any developer be interested in working with me to resolve?
[08:04] <walski> jnc, have u logged a bug first?
[08:04] <Tobias4847> does anybody have some experience with booting from a USB Pendrive?
[08:05] <jnc> walski: i'm not sure if i should!
[08:05] <jnc> it sounds like a kernel issue
[08:05] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: There is one other thing we could try.  It would be quite involved, doing something called a CVS checkout, compiling madwifi with the absolute up-to-the-minute drivers (which is what CVS should be), then installing them.
[08:05] <jnc> i.e. SATA ATAPI is *very* new
[08:05] <walski> jnc, nods
[08:06] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I'm down
[08:06] <Diablo-D3> sata cdrom drives? wtf?
[08:06] <Diablo-D3> there is such a thing?
[08:06] <jnc> hey pat
[08:06] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, no problem.  Have fun. :-)
[08:06] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I heard that ndsiwrapper sucked from some people
[08:06] <jnc> i've got SATA hard disk 80gb, and plextor 712SA
[08:06] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I mean I'm down with that idea as in okay :)
[08:06] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Not having wireless networking sucks more, doesn't it? :-)
[08:06] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: damn straight
[08:07] <jnc> no troubles with the hard disk and ubuntu, that portion works well!
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> it weighs like 80 pounds
[08:07] <Diablo-D3> if this is supposed to be called a laptop... Im going to set the hostname as "nutcracker"
[08:08] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, go to madwifi.sourceforge.net and follow the instructions for CVS retrieval.
[08:09] <ells> tritium: mike what is up man
[08:09] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I got the .tar.bZ2 file for the current one earlier today
[08:09] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  "tar jxvf (filename.tar.bz2" will extract it.  Be in a working directory first.
[08:10] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
[08:10] <mantas> i upgraded kernel to 2.6.10-5-686, and when i'm starting each instance of terminal emulator i get this:
[08:10] <mantas> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:10] <mantas> get_console_fd: Invalid argument
[08:10] <tritium> hey ells
[08:11] <SeeleyUSMC> my fiance just called.  She was at some fundraiser with Microsoft (her brother works there) and she met Edgar Martinez
[08:11] <ells> tritium: I got good news, I got bad news
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> who?
[08:11] <SeeleyUSMC> Diablo-D3: Mariners baseball
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> I dont watch baseball
[08:12] <ells> tritium: I crashed my desktop, so I am reinstalling, but without windows on it
[08:12] <SeeleyUSMC> Neither do I , I just know who he is lol
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> Hrm
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> SeeleyUSMC: /whois me
[08:12] <tritium> ells, how did you do that?
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> SeeleyUSMC: then visit http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amicrosoft.com+%22Patrick+McFarland%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:12] <ells> tritium: not quite sure. I was playing around with some installs
[08:12] <tritium> ells, installs?
[08:13] <ells> tritium: yeah, dvdbackup
[08:13] <ells> tritium: and  few others
[08:13] <ells> tritium: lucky me
[08:13] <ells> tritium: hey do you have any experience with dvd backup
[08:13] <tritium> ells, no, I don't have a dvd burner
[08:14] <ells> tritium: i am backing up some files, just dont know how long it takes
[08:14] <ells> tritium: what ya do today
[08:14] <ells> tritium: I finished up a test today
[08:15] <ells> tritium: I can do it, but which file do I need to clear out for ssh for my "new desktop"
[08:16] <tritium> ells, ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[08:16] <ells> cool
[08:20] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I'm going to bed.  Let's pick it up again tomorrow.
[08:21] <Madeye>  is there anyway to wget all .tar.gz files in www.blah.com/dir/ ?
[08:21] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: sure thing
[08:21] <DarthFrog> Madeye: wget -r
[08:21] <DarthFrog> Or maybe it's wget -R.   "man wget"
[08:21] <mantas> can someone explain why i get warning when starting every xterm
[08:21] <mantas> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:22] <psoulocybe> hi guys
[08:22] <psoulocybe> anyone know the kubuntu?
[08:22] <quarupt> My client wont let me msg
[08:22] <psoulocybe> i'm trying to set my ip address to static
[08:22] <psoulocybe> and i can't find it in kcontrol
[08:22] <psoulocybe> where do they have it now?
[08:22] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If you decide to have a go at it yourself, be sure to uninstall (use synaptic) the linux-restricted-modules package you installed earlier.
[08:23] <quarupt> My client wont let me msg
[08:27] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: will do
[08:27] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what time will you be on tomorrow? its 11:27pm here
[08:30] <|Gunther|> help
[08:31] <|Gunther|> I am trying to mount a partition that is fat 32, i tried telling the mount command it was vfs, then I was told that there is no vfs support... what is going on?? I D K what to do here guys
[08:32] <|Gunther|> something about not being built into the kernel
[08:32] <brenden> a
[08:32] <brenden> h
[08:32] <brenden> a
[08:32] <brenden> h
[08:32] <brenden> oops
[08:32] <sandwitch> fat 32 is vfat
[08:32] <|Gunther|> yes I know that
[08:32] <sandwitch> so mount /dev/whatever -t vfat /mount/point
[08:33] <|Gunther|> Ubuntu lacks support for the filesystem i noticed how do I get support for it is a question
[08:33] <sandwitch> modprobe vfat
[08:33] <|Gunther|> tried that...
[08:34] <sandwitch> so there is no vfat strange ..... (im not an ubunu user) should be
[08:34] <|Gunther|> I know...
[08:35] <|Gunther|> maybe there is a deb package for it, but I keep coming up with something that has to do with gnome
[08:35] <|Gunther|> libraries
[08:36] <sandwitch> nah should be in the kernel
[08:37] <tritium> there is a vfat module
[08:37] <|Gunther|> it wont work for me in the 4.10 release if there is
[08:38] <sandwitch> |Gunther|, look in /lib/modules/kernelname/kernel/fs/ there should be an vfat
[08:38] <sandwitch> are you root when you modprobe ?
[08:38] <|Gunther|> I tried it explicitly stated that the kernel is not familiar with vfat
[08:38] <|Gunther|> I know it is fat32...?
[08:38] <tritium> modinfo vfat returns nothing?
[08:38] <tritium> which kernel?
[08:39] <|Gunther|> whatever the original 4.10 runs
[08:39] <|Gunther|> I hav to reboot into that system to do any changes
[08:39] <tritium> can you please run "uname -r"?
[08:39] <tritium> oh, I see
[08:39] <|Gunther|> I need a modem driver to get online with that 2
[08:42] <|Gunther|> I will check if there is a vfat file there sanwitch
[08:42] <|Gunther|> if there is it must mean I have the vfs compatibility okay
[08:43] <sabmoc> omg, i need sleep
[08:43] <sandwitch> yep and dont forget to `sudo modprobe`
[08:44] <|Gunther|> k thanks
[08:44] <sabmoc> yep, and dont forsleep to sleep `sleepo sleeprobe`
[08:45] <sandwitch> first <insert clean teeth> :P
[08:46] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Don't know. Check the channel, see if I'm active.
[08:49] <|Gunther|> is ubuntu otherwise known as turbolinux>
[08:49] <|Gunther|> ?
[08:50] <spacey> no
[08:50] <bob2> |Gunther|: um, no
[08:50] <spacey> and vfat works
[08:51] <spacey> one of the few things that i'm am sure of atm
[08:51] <spacey> whoho
[08:52] <|Gunther|> k, I doubt that
[08:54] <spacey> say what you want:D
[08:54] <NighTH> hi
[08:55] <NighTH> i'm trying to do a sw raid1 in ubuntu... and i want that it boot in raid too
[08:55] <NighTH> im using grub
[08:56] <NighTH> im following some documentation http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html
[08:56] <NighTH> but when i reboot to boot in the second drive.. it dont work
[08:58] <NighTH> somebody tried it before?
[09:11] <linux_galore> hmm not burning Kubuntu live CD
[09:11] <linux_galore> now*
[09:11] <Zanz> got a question on kernel sources
[09:11] <Zanz> for warty
[09:11] <linux_galore> decided to paint the kitchen while waiting for the kubuntu download heh heh
[09:12] <Zanz> where do i get them?
[09:12] <pablo928> linux_galore: must have dial-up?
[09:13] <waseem> hey how do i stop a command from executing?
[09:13] <linux_galore> pablo928: no I have 1.5mb/s download the server was only giving me 53k/s
[09:13] <Zanz> control c i think
[09:13] <waseem> zanz: thanks that worked
[09:13] <waseem> how do i find a file named bittorrent?
[09:13] <waseem> find ~/bittorrent doesnt seem to be working
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> find -name bittorrent
[09:13] <Zanz> iisn't there a gui search?
[09:13] <pablo928> linux_galore:I understand all too well!
[09:14] <Zanz> ahh
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> or find|grep bittorrent
[09:14] <sabmoc> maxchee ping? re:CanadianLoCo
[09:14] <linux_galore> pablo928:  3hours to download so i said ok maight just paint the kitchen
[09:14] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ find -name bittorrent
[09:14] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ find|grep bittorrent
[09:14] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$
[09:14] <pablo928> linux_galore: Are you down-loading warty or hoary?
[09:14] <waseem> the problem is it doesnt do anything
[09:14] <linux_galore> hoary
[09:14] <waseem> it just goes to the next command line
[09:14] <linux_galore> 5.04
[09:15] <Zanz> are you looking for a torrent file for a download?
[09:15] <waseem> yes
[09:15] <Zanz> then it's (something).torrent
[09:15] <Ely__> anyone here uses ATI with hardware acceleration with hoarty?
[09:15] <Zanz> should be
[09:15] <sabmoc> night folks
[09:15] <linux_galore> ls *.torr
[09:16] <waseem> zanz: i havent downloaded the file yet, i want to open up bittorrent to do that
[09:16] <linux_galore> waseem:   ls  *.torr
[09:16] <Zanz> yeah, the torrent is will end in .torrent, click on that it'll open up bittorrent to start downloading the big file
[09:16] <waseem> linux_galore: what should my directory be
[09:16] <linux_galore> waseem: dont know.....you downloaded the file not me
[09:17] <waseem> linux_galore: i didnt download any file
[09:17] <Zanz> is there a way to search all directories?
[09:17] <waseem> im trying to open up bittorrent
[09:17] <linux_galore> waseem: check the program that downloaded the file should show you were it put it
[09:17] <Zanz> oh, you odn't open up bittorrent first, you download a .torrent file first
[09:17] <linux_galore> waseem: well then what are you looking for
[09:17] <waseem> oh ok
[09:17] <Zanz> it's sort of a guide file for the bigger download
[09:17] <waseem> where is a good site with .torrent files?
[09:18] <Zanz> hmm...
[09:18] <Zanz> dunno
[09:18] <linux_galore> waseem:  usually you just click on the torrent link on the web page and the browser powers up your default torrent app
[09:18] <Zanz> i know suprnova got shut down
[09:18] <linux_galore> wasabi:   use google
[09:19] <linux_galore> wasabi:  www.bitreactor.com  is still up
[09:19] <waseem> haha ok thanks
[09:19] <waseem> ive actually never tried wasabi in my life
[09:19] <linux_galore> waseem: there are web sites dedicated to set media formats so i usually just google for  what I want
[09:20] <waseem> well any site could have torrents
[09:20] <waseem> i just thought maybe some of you guys would know a good site with torrents of quality
[09:21] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[09:21] <linux_galore> aaaaaaaaaargh its the Microsft advert.......... we see Fiona......etc
[09:21] <Zanz> were not all software pirates
[09:21] <Zanz> what?
[09:21] <Zanz> oh
[09:22] <Zanz> yeah
[09:22] <linux_galore> .........must  find remote..........must find remote before I go mad
[09:22] <pablo928> linux_galore: thought you were painting?
[09:22] <linux_galore> no download is finnished
[09:23] <linux_galore> also Ive finnshed painting the kitchen
[09:23] <pablo928> linux_galore; how long did it take you?
[09:23] <linux_galore> 3 hours
[09:24] <pablo928> linux_galore: You didn't down-load as a .torrent file?
[09:24] <linux_galore>  pablo928no direct of the server
[09:25] <pablo928> linux_galore: Are you loading it to another box? Or the one you're using now?
[09:26] <linux_galore> slashdot nicely posted a link to the server I was on when I was 10% into the download it went from 180k to 56k in 20 min lol
[09:26] <linux_galore> pablo928: the on Im on
[09:26] <linux_galore> one*
[09:26] <Zanz> hehehe
[09:26] <pablo928> linux_galore: Thank slashdot.
[09:27] <pablo928> linux_galore: You on warty now?
[09:27] <linux_galore> there I was going .....ooh cool 40 min and Im finnished.........than I saw the rss slashdot post on kubuntu and kde 3.4 and watched the bandwidht go down
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> heh
[09:28] <linux_galore> pablo928: no right now Im on CCuX
[09:28] <linux_galore> got Ubuntu on my iBook
[09:29] <linux_galore> chatclient:
[09:29] <linux_galore> is using Gaim v1.2 http://gaim.sf.net on CCux Linux 2.6.11smp
[09:30] <Daehlie> i am wondering what the default setting of the root password is in ubuntu, there was no part in the install for the root password
[09:30] <linux_galore> want to watch an iBook go from slow/hanging heap of crap to ...zooooooooooooooom  swap to Linux
[09:30] <pablo928> linux_galore: 'cause I up-graded to hoary today and now I can't find my synaptic manager, Oh well, still have apt-get.
[09:30] <linux_galore> pablo928: might not be there
[09:31] <linux_galore> pablo928:  apt-get install synaptic
[09:31] <waseem> ok i have a .torrent downloaded
[09:31] <waseem> do i just double click on it now?
[09:31] <pablo928> linux_galore: Maybe not. Hey, I have a P-2 300 MHz running warty!
[09:31] <onkarshinde> Daehlie: do you mean, "Why there is no default root account?"
[09:31] <linux_galore> waseem: yes
[09:32] <Daehlie> onkarshinde: yes, i guess that is what I am asking
[09:32] <waseem> linux_galore: the problem is it never connects to any of my peers
[09:32] <linux_galore> waseem: aaah bet you have the bittorent port closed on the firewall
[09:33] <waseem> gay.
[09:33] <Daehlie> onkarshinde: can I just create a root account from my user account
[09:33] <waseem> ok well ill go check that up
[09:33] <waseem> thanks linux_galore
[09:33] <onkarshinde> The policy is like this way. The first user you create (while installation) has root powers (only through sudo command). You may want to open Root Terminal from System Tools for carrying out actions that require root previliges.
[09:33] <eyequeue> Daehlie:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:34] <eyequeue> Daehlie:  root is niot advised, see the url
[09:34] <Daehlie> k
[09:34] <linux_galore> Daehlie: for a desktop root accounts open a whole single point security problem
[09:35] <linux_galore> in fact some distro's dont even have sudo or any reference to root
[09:38] <ghita> doese anyone got problems with the icon themes?
[09:39] <stuNNed> ghita: which ones?
[09:41] <onkarshinde> Has anyone notices that there is no way to configure nautilus to open folder in same window. I tried editing configuration using gconf. It didn't work.
[09:41] <mpathy> apropos, who knows some good ones, who are really complete?
[09:43] <jdub> onkarshinde: hold shift when opening a folder
[09:44] <onkarshinde> jdub: that is okay. But there should be permanent configuration. It used to be there in FC1
[09:45] <jdub> no, that's a different thing; the browser mode
[09:45] <jdub> you can switch to the browser mode permanently
[09:46] <onkarshinde> jdub: how do I do that?
[09:47] <jdub> click on the "always open in browser windows" setting
[09:48] <onkarshinde> jdub: and where is that setting?
[09:49] <jdub> in the file management dialogue dude
[09:50] <onkarshinde> thanks
[09:50] <onkarshinde> jdub: thanks very much
[09:52] <Imrahil> using the livecd. went into hibernate mode. asking for password for ubuntu. shouldn't it just be ubuntu?
[09:53] <pepsi> what happens if you just hit enter?
[09:53] <Imrahil> says denied
[09:54] <neighborlee> weird
[09:54] <marshall_> is there any real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?  Isn't kde just a package for ubuntu?
[09:55] <onkarshinde> marshall_: No ubuntu just contains GNOME
[09:55] <Agrajag> onkarshinde: no it doesn't
[09:55] <deFrysk> kubuntu = -gnome ,. +kde
[09:55] <Agrajag> KDE is in universe.
[09:56] <onkarshinde> Agrajag: I am talking about default packages that get installed by the cd.
[09:56] <cef> at the base, it's no different.. just kde instead of gnome.. but remember that the base itself isn't that big
[09:56] <sn0wman> if i install kubuntu, will kdm replace gdm?
[09:56] <bob2> KDE is in supported in hoary
[09:56] <bob2> sn0wman: kubuntu uses kdm by default
[09:56] <deFrysk> sn0wman, you get to choose when kdm is being installed
[09:56] <sn0wman> ok
[09:56] <sn0wman> good
[09:57] <djp> morning has broken...
[09:57] <deFrysk> but shutdownfuncions work better with kdm when using kde
[09:57] <pablo928> En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?\
[09:57] <djp> any one use dar here?
[09:58] <Myrtti> llo
[09:58] <ghita> doese anyone got problems with the icon themes d3a?
[09:58] <pablo928> En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?
[09:58] <bob2> pablo928: #ubuntu-es
[09:59] <pablo928> bob2:I'm trying to IM and doesn't seem to be working.
[10:00] <bob2> ok, but this is an english language channel
[10:01] <pablo928> bob2:I know, but SIS swas trying to go to SISSSSSSMS.
[10:01] <djp> have just performed a complete system backup using dar. it appears to have worked, although nine files have not been backed up due to permission being denied. all nine files are located in the same directory, /sys/bus/pci/drivers. anyone got any ideas?
[10:01] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[10:04] <Beuno> hey, Im having a dependencies problem when installing kubuntu
[10:04] <Beuno> can anyone give me a hand=
[10:04] <Beuno> ?
[10:04] <Daehlie> i am wondering how to install gtk themes in ubuntu
[10:06] <pablo928> Beuno: You can;t get them through apt_get?
[10:06] <Beuno> pablo: no, Im having some sort of dependencies problem
[10:07] <Beuno> with python packages
[10:08] <memcmeme> greetings friends
[10:08] <pablo928> Beuno:Do you have gnome installed or is this a fresh install?
[10:08] <Beuno> I already have gnome installed
[10:09] <pablo928> Beuno:You say you have dependency problems. What are you getting?
[10:09] <memcmeme> Gnome is a swell WM
[10:10] <Beuno> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:10] <Beuno>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
[10:10] <Beuno>                    Depends: python-imaging-sane but it is not going to be instal                                led
[10:10] <Beuno>                    Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed
[10:10] <Beuno>                    Depends: python-pyorbit but it is not going to be installed
[10:11] <memcmeme> #flood is your friend Beuno :)
[10:11] <Beuno> sorry
[10:11] <memcmeme> no problem
[10:11] <Beuno> Ill be good
[10:11] <memcmeme> its really quite fine, I do it all the time
[10:11] <neom> In Canada we have what is known as family and children services, it's a government program that proves counseling and foster homes and whatnot to kids who have issues at home. It's free. Anyone know the American equivalent?
[10:11] <Beuno> ;D
[10:12] <pablo928> Beuno:When I installed KDE I used the synaptic package manager, no dependency problems.
[10:12] <Beuno> you had warty
[10:12] <memcmeme> neom  yeah, its called the county department of health and human services
[10:12] <Beuno> or hoarty?
[10:12] <memcmeme> if you live in a poor state
[10:12] <memcmeme> your screwed
[10:12] <memcmeme> if you live in a rich state
[10:12] <memcmeme> its great
[10:13] <pablo928> Beuno:warty
[10:13] <Beuno> hmmmm
[10:13] <Beuno> me too
[10:13] <Beuno> thats wierd
[10:14] <Beuno> I installed ubuntu today
[10:14] <Beuno> traded it in for fedora
[10:14] <Beuno> and Im loving it
[10:14] <hippyhuffinpaint> anyone get firefox woking on kubuntu 5.04?
[10:14] <memcmeme> yes
[10:14] <hippyhuffinpaint> how did you do it
[10:14] <memcmeme> apt-get install firefox
[10:14] <memcmeme> it needs updating
[10:14] <hippyhuffinpaint> okay i did that
[10:14] <pablo928> Beuno:Ubuntu Is my first attempt at Linux.
[10:14] <Beuno> really?
[10:14] <Beuno> Ive been all over the place
[10:15] <memcmeme> hmmm.... then i don't know what is wrong
[10:15] <onkarshinde> Beuno: Me too. Recently shifted from FC1 to Ubuntu
[10:15] <hippyhuffinpaint> after i attempted installing 1.0.2
[10:15] <Beuno> Ive had a couple of debian before
[10:15] <memcmeme> pablo928 you can to the right place :)
[10:15] <Beuno> its really the best distro
[10:15] <memcmeme> although if you have Broadband I would reccomend
[10:15] <Beuno> just a pain in the ass for some things
[10:15] <memcmeme> Hoary
[10:15] <pablo928> Beuno:I never owned a computer until about a year ago>
[10:15] <Beuno> which apperently got "fixed" with ubuntu
[10:15] <onkarshinde> Beuno: Specifically fro GNOME lovers
[10:16] <hippyhuffinpaint> mozilla-firefox starts to load a browser then it closes
[10:16] <Beuno> well, they got kubuntu out there, si
[10:16] <Beuno> so
[10:16] <memcmeme> i reccomend trying both to be honest, try ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:16] <memcmeme> I have both on this machine
[10:16] <Beuno> thats what Im aiming at
[10:16] <Beuno> Im a KDE lover myself
[10:16] <memcmeme> just do apt-get install kubuntu desktop from your normal ubuntu intallan
[10:16] <hippyhuffinpaint> i just started using kubuntu today
[10:16] <memcmeme> and you will have KDE desktop tricked out for ubuntu
[10:16] <memcmeme> it kicks ass
[10:16] <hippyhuffinpaint> from mandrake 10.1
[10:16] <Beuno> I got kde 3.2 on it
[10:17] <Beuno> just want 3.4 now
[10:17] <hippyhuffinpaint> thats what i had on mandrake
[10:17] <onkarshinde> hippyhuffinpaint: How is your experience with kubnutu and KDE 3.4?
[10:17] <hippyhuffinpaint> i got 3.4
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> its been so far so good, well except for not getting mozila-firefox working
[10:18] <Beuno> aaah
[10:18] <Beuno> got it working
[10:18] <Beuno> ;D
[10:18] <Beuno> apt is downloading!!!
[10:18] <onkarshinde> I would like to recommend Ubuntu to my friend. But he is KDE lover. Any plus/minus for KUbuntu?
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> i had it working
[10:18] <pepsi> memcmeme, will it break gnome to install it?
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> the 1.0.2
[10:18] <hippyhuffinpaint> but that dont work now
[10:18] <memcmeme> not at all
[10:18] <pepsi> which one will be default?
[10:18] <pepsi> and how would i pick?
[10:18] <memcmeme> just make sure you leave choose GDM when you get asked between GDM and KDM
[10:19] <memcmeme> initially it will still default to Gnome
[10:19] <memcmeme> but you can tell it which on to default to
[10:19] <pepsi> hrm
[10:19] <memcmeme> for example I have mine default to KDE
[10:19] <memcmeme> but GDM is a LOT better than KDM
[10:19] <_Demian_> how do I install a rpm package
[10:19] <_Demian_> ?
[10:19] <memcmeme> I don't know that you can
[10:19] <memcmeme> just get the tarball version of it
[10:19] <memcmeme> or check your apt repositories
[10:20] <memcmeme> go into synaptic
[10:20] <deFrysk> memcmeme, kdm works better with kde
[10:20] <memcmeme> then make sure you have universe and multiverse selected
[10:20] <onkarshinde> _Demian_: I don't think you can install rpm on a Debain based distro
[10:20] <Beuno> rpm is on redhat
[10:20] <Beuno> we got .deb's here
[10:20] <deFrysk> memcmeme, gdm better with gnome
[10:20] <_Demian_> hmmmz
[10:20] <pepsi> _Demian_, ive never used it, but man alien
[10:20] <Beuno> or even better, apt-get!
[10:20] <memcmeme> deFrysk yes, but if you like being able to log into the WM as root GDM makes the process of configuring both of them more painless
[10:20] <memcmeme> and I have found that they both work quite well
[10:20] <memcmeme> its a matter of preference :)
[10:21] <hippyhuffinpaint> anyone know what i could do to make a program quit crashing
[10:21] <pepsi> dont run it
[10:21] <memcmeme> its always worth checking for a later version
[10:22] <hippyhuffinpaint> what if i installed a later version then installed the older version?
[10:22] <memcmeme> I don't know in that case
[10:22] <memcmeme> I am relatively new to this all myself
[10:23] <Beuno> anyone had kde 3.2 installed
[10:23] <Beuno> and installed kubuntu?
[10:23] <Beuno> cause Im doing that as we speak
[10:23] <Beuno> just curious on what will happen
[10:23] <hippyhuffinpaint> yes
[10:23] <hippyhuffinpaint> i just did that
[10:24] <hippyhuffinpaint> mandrake 10.1 to kubuntu 5.04
[10:24] <walski> in k3b now in hoary - how to you enable k3b mp3 support
[10:24] <Beuno> it updates the 3.2 version without any problems?
[10:24] <hippyhuffinpaint> i dunno for sure i get errors
[10:24] <memcmeme> the error message should tell you what the missing component is
[10:24] <Beuno> walski:  I use xmms
[10:24] <hippyhuffinpaint> closing outta apps i get bombed with crashes
[10:24] <memcmeme> or go into synaptic and type k3b
[10:24] <memcmeme> specify description
[10:25] <memcmeme> and you will get all the packages associated with it
[10:25] <hippyhuffinpaint> who me?
[10:25] <walski> memcmeme, ive installed it
[10:25] <memcmeme> I know
[10:25] <memcmeme> but if you do that
[10:25] <memcmeme> and specify to search description and name
[10:25] <memcmeme> you will see all of the other packages that are associated with it
[10:25] <memcmeme> including plugins
[10:26] <pablo928> memcmeme: I up-graded to hoary today nd now can't find the synaptic package manager.
[10:26] <memcmeme> apt-get install synaptic
[10:26] <Beuno> pablo: try apt-get then
[10:26] <memcmeme> then type synaptic in your root terminal
[10:26] <memcmeme> and it will magically appear
[10:26] <walski> k thanks 4 that memcmeme
[10:26] <memcmeme> make sure you go into repositories
[10:26] <memcmeme> and check universe and multiverse
[10:27] <memcmeme> so you have the best of the best packages
[10:27] <djp> anyone use dar here?
[10:27] <walski> ill have more of a look in repositories
[10:28] <pablo928> memcmeme:Hey it worked. I've got the synaptic package manager again. Thanks.
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~# apt-get install firefox
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> E: Couldn't find package firefox
[10:28] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~#
[10:29] <scandium> mozilla-firefox
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~# apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
[10:29] <hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~#
[10:29] <scandium> there you go
[10:30] <hippyhuffinpaint> doesn't work
[10:30] <scandium> what happens if you type "firefox" in console?
[10:31] <scandium> or click the blue ball in the top panel
[10:31] <hippyhuffinpaint> alex@trainwreks:~$ firefox
[10:31] <hippyhuffinpaint> alex@trainwreks:~$
[10:31] <hippyhuffinpaint> nothing
[10:32] <hippyhuffinpaint> starts to load
[10:32] <hippyhuffinpaint> doesnt open
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> yay
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> sarge iso done downloading
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> hopefully that can install
[10:33] <memcmeme> no problem :)
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> and then I can install ubuntu from that
[10:33] <ghita> hello!Whay can't I see for example for a jar file the gnome-mime-application-x-jar icon?
[10:33] <hippyhuffinpaint> how do i remove apps
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: apt-get remove
[10:35] <hippyhuffinpaint> diablo-d3 thanks, but what if i didn't install it with apt-get install
[10:35] <Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: how else would you install things?
[10:36] <hippyhuffinpaint> i unpacked the tarball for mozilla firefox 1.02 and installed that
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> eww.
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> rtfm then
[10:36] <hippyhuffinpaint> whats that mean?
[10:36] <toni^> :P
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> rtfd while you're at it
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> and if that doesnt help, www.fuckinggoogleit.com
[10:37] <hippyhuffinpaint> thanks
[10:37] <toni^> hippyhuffinpaint: there should be uninstall script where you installed it
[10:37] <hippyhuffinpaint> okay
[10:39] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: do you know what etymology lies behind Ubuntu's name?
[10:39] <Myrtti> just asking out of curiosity
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: check the faq for that
[10:40] <sabmoc|zombie> hrmmmmmrmmmm.. braaainzzz....
[10:40] <Myrtti> because I doubt *you* have read that part of Ubuntu's rtfd, since your attitude towards newbies is so hostile
[10:40] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:I just followed your link, Pretty good!
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: ahh, in that case, do you know the etymology that lies behind my name? ;)
[10:41] <sabmoc|zombie> Myrtti, who's being hostil to noobs? thats my job and I'll be damned is someone is gonna spork me out of it!
[10:41] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: saint who's said to be the guardian of Irish?
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> yeah--wait, no!
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> I eat people! For breakfast! Humans taste like chicken!
[10:42] <omniscient> anyone found the easter egg on that site
[10:42] <Myrtti> no but really. I just dislike the attitude of giving RTFM or UTFG as the sole answer
[10:42] <Myrtti> but do continue whatever you were doing
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> I _was_ attempting to ubuntufy a laptop
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> the kind of laptop that running DOS is it's speed
[10:43] <Myrtti> I'll continue being "The Ubuntu using Finnish nerdette-whiner-bitch"
[10:43] <Myrtti> carry on
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> seeing as the install cd wont work on it...
[10:44] <sabmoc|zombie> hrrmmmrmm.. brainzzss..
[10:44] <hippyhuffinpaint> i dunno if there is an uninstall scrpt would it be named xpicleanup?  its my mozilla-firefox directory.
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> Ill attempt to use debian install (which works on everything, including toasters) and then ubuntufy the debian install
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: no
[10:45] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: have you tried pure Ubuntu install on that machine yet?
[10:45] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: pure as in whats off the 4.10 install cd?
[10:45] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: thats what I tried already
[10:45] <joshmachine> anyone here have any success with the cisco vpn client on hoary?  The module loads fine, but when I try to use it the kernel emits some sort of stack dump (with the apparent root problem "Badness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:140")  this worked fine on debian sarge.
[10:45] <Myrtti> Diablo-D3: or the hoary preview install CDs
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> apparently low memory mode is completely borked on those cds
[10:46] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if we talk about the same thing
[10:46] <NetComm> wwhere are guys based?
[10:46] <NetComm> im just woundering how long my cd will take..
[10:46] <Myrtti> version numbering has always made my head dizzy
[10:46] <NetComm> im in australia
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: we dont, 4.10 is warty
[10:46] <Myrtti> ok
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> atleast, I think its warty. Its whatever is stable atm
[10:47] <Myrtti> I'd try hoary CD's before trying with Debian installer
[10:47] <Myrtti> but that's just me
[10:47] <Diablo-D3> heh, Im on dialup, Myrtti
[10:47] <Diablo-D3> unless you plan on same day fedexing me a hoary install cd.... =P
[10:47] <NetComm> anyone want to have a stap at my question?
[10:48] <sabmoc|zombie> a stap? sure i'll stap it
[10:48] <Ribs> nothing like a good stapping
[10:48] <Diablo-D3> stap! stap! stappity stap!
[10:48] <sabmoc|zombie> hmm.. staping goodness.. *gurgle*
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[10:48] <NetComm> hardly funny
[10:49] <sabmoc|zombie> I dunno, three comments seem to say otherwise. :)
[10:49] <sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, whats the question?
[10:49] <Myrtti> NetComm: I just didn't understand your question
[10:49] <Myrtti> you could try to rephraze it
[10:49] <NetComm> where are the developers of ubuntu based?
[10:50] <Myrtti> all over the world
[10:50] <Diablo-D3> NetComm: on planet earth
[10:50] <NetComm> and who long with my copy take to be shipped to australia?
[10:50] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:I installed 4.10 0n a old PC chips mother board with a P12 300 Mhz processor. It just didn't recognize my on-board video,  sound or nic. (
[10:50] <memcmeme> back
[10:50] <NetComm> ok where are the cd's shipped from?
[10:50] <sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, I think canonical is based in south africa
[10:50] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: how much memory?
[10:50] <Diablo-D3> NetComm: because it came from sweeden
[10:50] <jdub> NetComm: when did you order the cd?
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> heh, atleast, my stack of ubuntu cds came from sweeden
[10:51] <Funraiser> there is nero for linux now :http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1913.phtml
[10:51] <NetComm> just now
[10:51] <NetComm> im in australia..
[10:51] <jdub> NetComm: then you won't get it until after hoary is released.
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: yeah, that was on slashdot like last month
[10:51] <Funraiser> oh
[10:51] <Myrtti> Funraiser: available to those who have registered and paid for Windows version
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> yay its jdub
[10:51] <jdub> NetComm: if you're in sydney, you can get some warty CDs from me
[10:51] <Funraiser> yeah...
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> jdub: say something funny
[10:51] <sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, the Ubuntu helijet should be in your backyard momentarily, please wait.
[10:51] <NetComm> jdub im in tasmania
[10:52] <Myrtti> which suck ***, but on the other hand, I don't have burning ROM drive
[10:52] <pablo928> Diablo-D3: 228 MB ram
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: thats why.
[10:52] <Myrtti> so I couldn't care less
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: this laptop only has 32
[10:52] <Funraiser> like "who" has a registred version of Nero...
[10:52] <sabmoc|zombie> I need a good staping!!
[10:52] <jdub> NetComm: ok. the shipit pages do say that current CD orders are for hoary, and will be shipped after its release.
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: which triggers low memory mode, which causes it to explode
[10:52] <Myrtti> Funraiser: that one too :->
[10:52] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, everyone who buys a cd-burner actually.
[10:53] <Funraiser> didn't think about that
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> am I the only one here who thinks kubuntu should merge with ubuntu?
[10:53] <NetComm> well that wasnt so hard was it, jesus christ
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> I dont think I even own a copy of nero
[10:53] <jdub> Diablo-D3: you are. because you don't realise that they are one and the same.
[10:53] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, I have an oem cd of nero sitting on my desk with cd-key
[10:53] <Funraiser> gonna get my version of NeroLinux
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> both of my cd burners came with nero, and I tossed the disks out
[10:54] <Ribs> Diablo-D3: Buy OEM, it's cheaper :>
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> jdub: but they are being marketed as seperate distros?
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> Ribs: these were oem
[10:54] <jdub> Diablo-D3: to a certain extent, yes
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> I never buy retail box stuff
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> jdub: I dont see the point in that
[10:54] <Ribs> and it came with software?
[10:54] <Ribs> ohh errr
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> yeah, it came with nero
[10:55] <jdub> Diablo-D3: that's okay.
[10:55] <word_virus> OEM keys don't work with NeroLinux.  You have to buy the box. :-(
[10:55] <Funraiser> nero was the only app i had to go back to window$, now i'm free
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> infact, my most recent one didnt even come with screws or cables
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> but it came with a nero disc
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> go figure
[10:56] <memcmeme> sweet
[10:56] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:Nero want you to upgrade.
[10:56] <toni^> whos so sick to BUY cd burner for linux?...
[10:56] <memcmeme> I do have a serious question though
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: nero can kiss my shiney metal ass
[10:56] <memcmeme> honestly
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> k3b > *
[10:56] <memcmeme> what is better about nero over k3b?
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> hah
[10:56] <memcmeme> I have not read of any real advange
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> nothing
[10:56] <memcmeme> advange
[10:57] <memcmeme> shit I can't spell advantage
[10:57] <Diablo-D3> k3b is the best cd burner software in existance
[10:57] <Myrtti> toni^: software or hardware? I'm sure lots of people have CD burners...
[10:57] <memcmeme> Here here!
[10:57] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, eeww, just eww
[10:57] <Myrtti> :->
[10:57] <Diablo-D3> okay, fine, you gnome kiddies can use your k3b clone
[10:57] <toni^> Myrtti: emn... talking about nero ;)
[10:57] <jebus> ok i have a obvious and dumb question
[10:58] <Myrtti> well, I got the impression that one cannot buy it, the linux version
[10:58] <Funraiser> K3b doesn't convert mp3 to avi directly
[10:58] <Funraiser> when burning an audio cd
[10:58] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: er... what?
[10:58] <memcmeme> you can't
[10:58] <memcmeme> you have to buy the windows version
[10:58] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: you mean mp3 to pcm directly?
[10:58] <jebus> does ubuntu support rpm files
[10:58] <memcmeme> and when you register it
[10:58] <Myrtti> that it's available without payment to those who have already bought the Windows version
[10:58] <Myrtti> or registered it
[10:58] <Myrtti> to be more precise
[10:58] <memcmeme> they will let you download the linux version
[10:58] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:58] <Echylo> omg
[10:58] <memcmeme> just stupid if you ask me
[10:59] <Diablo-D3> yeah, do they think they can compete with k3b?
[10:59] <memcmeme> I would never buy Nero, I like K3B UI better too
[10:59] <Diablo-D3> er, argh
[10:59] <spiral> hi
[10:59] <underlord> on boot ubuntu outputs a bunch of errors reading my disk, but still boots ok, i suspect i might have some bad blocks or something, how can i force a check?
[10:59] <Funraiser> Diablo-D3 i mean mp3 to the format for an audio cd
[11:00] <Myrtti> memcmeme: on the other hand, the windows version is bundeled on almost every CD burner, so if they have (don't know if they do) a way of registering it online outside of the windows software, then it would be a piece of cake getting the linux version too
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: that would be pcm
[11:00] <pablo928> memcmeme; Is k3b available thru ap-get?
[11:00] <Myrtti> pablo928: yes
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install k3b
[11:00] <Funraiser> ok, one might think that it's a required feature...
[11:00] <Diablo-D3> recent version already installed blah blah blah
[11:00] <memcmeme> yep
[11:00] <jebus> does ubuntu support rpm files
[11:00] <memcmeme> thatst he stupid thing
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> jebus: no, use alien
[11:01] <jebus> thanks
[11:01] <memcmeme> you have to have windows to register the damn windows version
[11:01] <SeeleyUSMC> Who's alive?
[11:01] <sabmoc|zombie> hhmmrm.. brainzzzz
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> memcmeme: ... that makes no sense
[11:01] <omniscient> Myrtti, you cant use that one to register
[11:01] <Diablo-D3> thats like how microsoft does it
[11:01] <omniscient> its oem aint it
[11:02] <Myrtti> omniscient: well that sucks
[11:02] <omniscient> they only work witht hat burner
[11:02] <omniscient> from my experiance
[11:02] <memcmeme> pablo928 if you don't have a certain driver
 we dont sell you software, you sell us your soul
[11:02] <memcmeme> it will tell you to install it
 whahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhahah *cough*
[11:02] <memcmeme> pablo928 dont panic if that happens, just copy and past the driver name into synaptic
[11:02] <memcmeme> and you will find it :)
[11:02] <Diablo-D3> btw, yes, oem copies are locked to the specific cd burner
[11:02] <memcmeme> bastard
[11:02] <memcmeme> bastards
[11:02] <memcmeme> that is
[11:03] <Myrtti> I don't know if I should be happy or not, but I have no other way of physically get my stuff out of my computer than my USB memory stick
[11:03] <memcmeme> lol
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> Myrtti: ph33r.
[11:03] <Myrtti> which, BTW, I haven't checked if it works with my current hardware
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> it could be worse, though
[11:03] <Myrtti> it could
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> you could cram DSL onto your usb key
[11:03] <Myrtti> say what?
[11:03] <Diablo-D3> damn small linux
[11:03] <memcmeme> LOL
[11:04] <memcmeme> DSL is cute
[11:04] <memcmeme> but honestly
[11:04] <Myrtti> yeah well, a friend of mine keeps Firefox on his USB stick
[11:04] <memcmeme> unless you have ancient hardware there is no bloody point
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> memcmeme: no no no man
[11:04] <Myrtti> cause the schools stuck on Netscape 4.7 and IE
[11:04] <sabmoc|zombie> Myrtti, i bet that impresses all the girls at work.
[11:04] <Diablo-D3> its like installing linux on your keychain
[11:04] <Myrtti> sabmoc|zombie: I keep my firefox on my network shared drive
[11:04] <memcmeme> exactly
[11:04] <memcmeme> its cute
[11:04] <memcmeme> I said that
[11:04] <Myrtti> cause I have the same prob at my school
[11:05] <Diablo-D3> linux on my keychain, netbsd on my toaster, windows in the trashcan...
[11:05] <memcmeme> what schools are these Hschools or Universities?
[11:05] <memcmeme> and are you teachers or students?
[11:05] <Myrtti> If it wouldn't work from the network drive, I'd be forced to do the same
[11:05] <Myrtti> memcmeme: Tampere Polytechnic is where I study, my friend studies at Tampere Technical University
[11:06] <Myrtti> University of Technology
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> gah
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> I was wondering why it was so bright in my room
[11:06] <Diablo-D3> the sun came up
[11:06] <jebus> lmao
[11:07] <jebus> morning
[11:07] <Myrtti> But the USB stick was quite handy after we moved on January
[11:07] <memcmeme> where the heck is that?  Florida?
[11:07] <Myrtti> didn't have DSL yet, so I used sneakernet
[11:07] <SeeleyUSMC> heh. sun doesn't come up for a while here. its 2:07am
[11:07] <Myrtti> memcmeme: Finland
[11:07] <pablo928> memcmeme: You're right. When I went to start k3b tells me I need some executables. I'll work on that later.
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> maine.
[11:07] <Myrtti> Europe
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> though its not quite up yet
[11:07] <Myrtti> :->
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> its getting there though
[11:07] <jebus> pitch black here
[11:07] <Myrtti> I'm off, have to fry some fish
[11:07] <memcmeme> pablo928 it will take like 10 seconds,  apt-get install name of exe
[11:07] <memcmeme> that way you wont forget :)
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> that reminds me
[11:08] <memcmeme> yeah I am in Oregon
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> Im supposed to be burning cd
[11:08] <Daehlie> yay for oregon
[11:08] <Diablo-D3> Id rather be in washington
[11:09] <Daehlie> pffft
[11:09] <matthew> hi can anyone tell me how to download a flash plug in that will install by itself after i download it?
[11:09] <sabmoc|zombie> anyone from Canada?
[11:09] <Daehlie> washington just _WISHES_ it was oregon
[11:09] <matthew> i don't know how to program and I am a new user
[11:09] <pablo928> Diablo-D3:Where are you? I have 3:09 A.M here.
[11:09] <memcmeme> oh this is great www.linuxsucks.org  its an anti-linux forum that has been taken over by Linux lovers LOL, classic
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> Sun Mar 20 05:10:01 EST 2005
[11:10] <Diablo-D3> pablo928: maine as I said before
[11:10] <memcmeme> Daehlie Seattle area?  Or Central or Eastern?
[11:10] <jebus> lmao
[11:10] <sabmoc|zombie> matthew, Im not a programmer either, dont sweat it. You're still aloud to be an idiot and obnoxious, infact, its highly encouraged :D
[11:10] <matthew> ty but i love the program
[11:10] <djp> any dar users here?
[11:10] <memcmeme> nothing wrong with being a complete moron, so long as your relatively civil :)
[11:10] <Daehlie> I am originally from Bend, Oregon, I am in Salt Lake City UT attending college at the University of Utah
[11:11] <jebus> nice
[11:11] <memcmeme> major?
[11:11] <matthew> ty 2, so how bout the flash plug in
[11:11] <memcmeme> I fly through Salt lake all of the time
[11:11] <memcmeme> on my way to orlando
[11:11] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree?
[11:11] <memcmeme> uhhh
[11:11] <memcmeme> I would try synaptic
[11:12] <Daehlie> my major is computer science
[11:12] <memcmeme> search description keyword flash
[11:12] <matthew> ok how do i use synaptic
[11:12] <matthew> ok ill try it
[11:12] <Daehlie> surprise surprise
[11:12] <memcmeme> Daehlie sweet
[11:12] <memcmeme> I am a Expiremental Psych major, focussing on Comparative psych,
[11:12] <matthew> ok my synaptic doesnt find it on my system
[11:12] <memcmeme> ok
[11:13] <memcmeme> here is what you want to do
[11:13] <Funraiser> i assume deb packages work on ubuntu, right?
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> Funraiser: yes
[11:13] <sabmoc|zombie> matthew, you probably need to install the universe repository
[11:13] <Funraiser> dpkg -i etc..
[11:13] <Diablo-D3> and lots of ubuntu packages work on deb
[11:13] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, yup
[11:13] <Funraiser> ok
[11:13] <Funraiser> thanks
[11:14] <sabmoc|zombie> matthew, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> grr
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> I need a new rewritable cd
[11:14] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, meow
[11:14] <Diablo-D3> it maxes out at 12x
[11:15] <aeolist> hi, i am having trouble compiling the kernel: http://www.pastebin.com/260523
[11:15] <sabmoc|zombie> hey did anyone hear about the version of a live-cd someone came out with, its a cd-rw you load the OS just like regular, but then you can create files and before you reboot it will write it to the cd so next time you pop it in, files are intact. So Cool.
[11:15] <cef> the >= 16x cd-rw's use a different burn mechanism
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: yup
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> cef: so?
[11:16] <johnl> cool
[11:16] <Diablo-D3> cef: my cd burner can do it
[11:16] <cef> Diablo-D3: so you can't burn them at less than 16x.. just something to keep in mind
[11:16] <jdub> sabmoc|zombie: fairly likely we'll do a similar thing for breezy
[11:17] <sabmoc|zombie> JDub fantastic
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> cef: that isnt exactly it
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> cef: I cant burn _faster_ than 12x with this cd
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> software locks me out from doing so
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> its a 52x48x52 drive, btw
[11:18] <cef> Diablo-D3: that may be because the burner won't write to a non-high speed cdrw
[11:18] <cef> at greater than 12x (next step up is 16x)
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> cef: no, it will only write to what the cd says it is
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> Ive had it do it on a batch of cdrs too
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> maxed out at 32x
[11:19] <cef> Diablo-D3: yep
[11:19] <mirak> nautilus is a catastrophe
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> naut does suck =/
[11:19] <m-onkey> why?
[11:19] <mirak> nautilus is the worst part og gnome
[11:19] <mirak> of
[11:19] <mirak> it always crashes
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> why cant gnome just clone konq
[11:20] <mirak> for whatever reason
[11:20] <cef> Diablo-D3: just saying if/when you get a 16x cd-rw, you will only be able to write to it in your burner at 16x or better. any less, and it "will not work"
[11:20] <mirak> I like gnome desktop, but nautilus is not good
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> cef: but.... why would I?
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> I can play quake3 and burn at 52x with no underuns
[11:20] <mirak> I am thinking in usong konqueror instead of nautilus even inside of gnome
[11:21] <cef> Diablo-D3: eg: using the disk to transfer from work to home and back again? esp if the other burner doesn't do greater than 12x
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> cef: I'd probably be the head of the IT department
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> so I'd just order myself a new drive
[11:22] <jdub> mirak: where you see nautilus crashes, please click the 'report to developers' button in the crash dialogue
[11:22] <cef> Diablo-D3: fair enuff.. just pointing it out
[11:22] <pablo928> Good night all.
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> and I'd get rid of all the windows and redhat machines too
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> and get rid of my boss too
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> Im thinking... load elevator with tons of stuff I ordered just so its right under the break limit for the cable...
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> and then shove my boss in there
[11:24] <cef> heh
[11:25] <mirak> jdub: it crashes so many times I can't even tell what is the common behavior that produce a bug
[11:25] <mirak> it crashes for whatever reason
[11:25] <mirak> I can't tell why
[11:25] <cef> Diablo-D3: you need to be a little more devious.. but you're getting there *grin*
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> cef: come on, thats classic bofh
[11:25] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, you're either smoking too much dope or not enough, im not sure which.
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> and if he survives, I can snmp manage his wheelchair
[11:26] <cef> Diablo-D3: actually classic bofh would be putting the load on the roof so the elevator looks emtry, and just letting the boss walk in there without a shove *grin*
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> cef: hrm
[11:26] <pepsi> i installed kubuntu
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> but then I couldnt have the obvious lead up
[11:27] <pepsi> i looked at kde
[11:27] <pepsi> then i came back to gnome
[11:27] <pepsi> and my fonts are all borked
[11:27] <pepsi> antialiasing doesnt work
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> cef: I wouldnt have to literally shove him in there
[11:27] <cef> Diablo-D3: heh
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> I could order like 100000000000000000000000 blank cds
[11:27] <sabmoc|zombie> pepsi, you have to turn it on again (i think)
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> or 2 ibm mainframes
[11:27] <pepsi> sabmoc|zombie, i tried
[11:27] <jdub> mirak: that's fine; whenever it happens, click on the report to developers button. that sends a backtrace.
[11:27] <pepsi> it doesnt want to budge
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> and say it was an ordering glitch, but the ups guy needs his permission to send the stuff back
[11:27] <cef> 2? sheesh half of one should be enough
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> and the ups guy is on the ground floor
[11:28] <sabmoc|zombie> pepsi, hmm.. most unfortunate. :(
[11:28] <jdub> pepsi: there are some defaults issues, it seems. chat to #kubuntu.
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> cef: they arent that big anymore
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> havent you seen the commercials/
[11:28] <jdub> mirak: it's doubly useful if you install nautilus-dbg
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> they're just tall racks now that are just missing the HAL eye
[11:28] <sabmoc|zombie> is pan a good news reader?
[11:29] <jdub> mirak: that provides more information for the backtrace
[11:29] <cef> Diablo-D3: true.. but why spend the money on a new system? *grin*
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: try kmail and thunderbird
[11:29] <sabmoc|zombie> I feel like reading some news.
[11:29] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, eww
[11:29] <jdub> mirak: if nautilus crashes that regularly for you, then perhaps you use it very differently to most other people, so providing that feedback will help greatly
[11:29] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, have you tried pan?
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> cef: true, that might cut into my budget
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> cef: which I must avoid at all costs
[11:30] <mirak> ok I will try that jdub
[11:30] <SeeleyUSMC> I think I'll just stay up all night/morning...to early to go to bed now.  its 2:30
[11:30] <hippyhuffinpaint> wow its 4:30 here and im just thinking about bed
[11:31] <Diablo-D3> cef: though, I _do_ have the secret nude photos of my boss's boss with his secretary....
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> Im surprised how little seems to crash on Ubuntu, I wonder if it is just a sign of software maturity, or package mantainer skill, or both.
[11:31] <garrut> it's 11:30 here and i just got out of bed :)
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, am or pm?
[11:31] <cef> Diablo-D3: heh.. they must come in handy
[11:31] <garrut> am
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, pfft
[11:31] <Diablo-D3> I should go read the archive again
[11:31] <garrut> hehe
[11:31] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, rookie
[11:32] <jdub> guys, off-topic discussion elsewhere please
[11:32] <cef> Diablo-D3: the new stuff isn't too bad.. he's churning out a new story almost once a week
[11:32] <mirak> I have a question about sources kernel. When I install kernell tree, I got /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/  . Now the kernel is 2.6.10-5 . How can I know what version are the sources ? are the sources exactly the one of 2.6.10-5 ? I don't get how it works
[11:32] <sabmoc|zombie> garrut, now if it was 11pm and your just getting out of bed, thats a  much more interesting story.
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> hahahaha goddamnit!
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> I downloaded the wrong iso
[11:32] <sabmoc|zombie> hahah
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> this is the debian new installer one
[11:32] <memcmeme> LOL
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> which looks quite familiar
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> *cough*ubuntu's installer*cough*
[11:33] <thesill> hello my ubuntu friends......
[11:33] <memcmeme> hello thesill?
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> lets see if it works
[11:33] <thesill> Is ther any known issues w the wartu torrent???
[11:33] <thesill> hello memcmeme
[11:34] <sabmoc|zombie> thesill, hi
[11:34] <thesill> hello
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> oh please oh please oh please oh please work >_<
[11:34] <sabmoc|zombie> hrmmmphfff.. braAAINZZ!!!
[11:34] <sabmoc|zombie> munch munch munch
[11:34] <thesill> ohh, sorry the hoary,
[11:34] <jbm__> anyone here know how i can install the clisp-dev package onto warty? I see its available in hoary universe but im not interested in upgrading distro for this.
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> gah
[11:35] <thesill> I have downloaded the Hoary relaesa from bittorent protocoll, and my installation stops "corrupt ubuntu keyring"
[11:35] <ulisse> hi channel
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> that failed
[11:35] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, so it is not available in the warty universe? only hoary
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> apparently they dont put ppp on debian discs anymore
[11:35] <sabmoc|zombie> ulisse, hello
[11:35] <Diablo-D3> er, I mean the small ones
[11:36] <ulisse> anyone runs hoary wit a Radeon Mobility 9600?
[11:36] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, not that i can find, have searched with synaptic and its not there
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> whahaha
[11:37] <Diablo-D3> this box has a 4.3 gig hd
[11:37] <ahijah> can someone wlk me through whats on this page in later today? ( http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ )
[11:38] <jbm__> can i temporarily switch my respositories to hoary to install a package then switch back to warty without upgrading distro you think?
[11:38] <Rattboi> which package?
[11:38] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, have you tried downloading the clisp.debs and just manually installing them?
[11:38] <Rattboi> it might be safer to just compile it
[11:38] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, the debs from hoary
[11:39] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes i have the source for the package and all aswell, but there is many dependancies and i dont want to do them all one by one like that if it can be helped
[11:39] <thesill> ohoy, sailors.... any known issues w the hoary bittorent, burning iso w nero??
[11:39] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, hmm.. thats unfortunate :(
[11:39] <thesill> I do not seem to get through installation...
[11:40] <sabmoc|zombie> thesill, nope
[11:40] <sabmoc|zombie> thesill, have you tried burning again at a lower speed, or perhaps redownloading the iso?
[11:40] <jbm__> maybe it time to hoary up then i guess, my only concern is xorg screweing up my dual monitor configuration which is nice now in xfree... think it will work?
[11:40] <thesill> sabmoc|zombie: bummer... i have tried to reload the iso and am burnig x8 again, its the slowest my burner can, letss e what results i get
[11:41] <thesill> +s
[11:41] <optika> jbm__: I'm doing dual-head on an nvidia card under hoary no prob ;)
[11:41] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, I heard someone talking about how happy they were there dual monitor setup worked, just earlier today. but who knows, but have a little faith.. ubuntu is pretty uber.
[11:41] <garrut> me too
[11:42] <jbm__> ya i wish i had nvidia, but this ATI stuff was such a hassle to get running in every distro i have tried... oh well its the weekend i guess ill give it a try. thanks!
[11:42] <ahijah> except when it comes to wireless usb network adapters
[11:42] <ahijah> can't get mine working
[11:43] <vixus> Hello... how do I install a scanner on Ubuntu? (It has been detected in device manager)
[11:43] <Dosnowin> Hi
[11:43] <Dosnowin> everyone
[11:44] <Fl-i-nT> hey all
[11:44] <ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
[11:44] <Dosnowin> Is there someone oline to help me ?
[11:44] <Fl-i-nT> How are you all doing this fine morning?
[11:44] <Dosnowin> fine thank U
[11:44] <Fl-i-nT> Dosnowin, good good
[11:44] <Dosnowin> I have a Problem using 5.04 X64
[11:45] <ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
[11:45] <memcmeme> is there a limewire DEB?
[11:45] <Fl-i-nT> RTFM is really really diffecult :(
[11:45] <Dosnowin> It tells me " Fail to initialize HAL"
[11:45] <ahijah> if i knew how to write kernels i would fix it but i can't grrrrrr
[11:45] <Dosnowin> the LIVECD 64 Doesn t
[11:45] <memcmeme> or can someone reccomend a really good p2p
[11:45] <memcmeme> that is not amule
[11:45] <memcmeme> I hate amule
[11:45] <sabmoc|zombie> memcmeme, dont need one, just download the bin from limewire.com
[11:46] <ahijah> bittorrent is a good p2p
[11:46] <memcmeme> where isthat?
[11:46] <memcmeme> I did not see that
[11:46] <sandwitch> matrox cart Dosnowin ?
[11:46] <memcmeme> I only saw a rpm
[11:46] <SeeleyUSMC> memcmeme: I read up on limewire for ubuntu somewhere
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> guh
[11:46] <Dosnowin> matrox cart ?
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> limewire sucks
[11:46] <ahijah> BEARSHARE
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> there are better gnutella clients out there
[11:46] <Dosnowin> i Have an ATI M 10
[11:46] <sandwitch> your graphics cart
[11:46] <sabmoc|zombie> oh right! um.. you can use alient to turn the rpm to a deb, thats what I did and it works fine
[11:46] <memcmeme> Diablo-D3 pray tell
[11:46] <sandwitch> ok sorry dunno then
[11:46] <memcmeme> I am all ears Diablo-D3
[11:47] <Diablo-D3> gtk-gnutella ;)
[11:47] <ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
[11:47] <Dosnowin> thnaks anyway
[11:47] <SeeleyUSMC> ahijah: lol
[11:47] <Dosnowin> Someone know this problem ?
[11:47] <sabmoc|zombie> what is emule? I've heard people rave about it.
[11:47] <ahijah> seelyUSMC:lol
[11:47] <Dosnowin> LIVECD 64 OK - INSTALL 64 - Fail to initialize Hal so no USB support
[11:48] <sandwitch> acpi mabe ?
[11:49] <sandwitch> did you start with acpi on or off ?
[11:49] <jdub> ahijah: it doesn't suck, it's just misnamed.
[11:49] <_d4vid> hi all
[11:50] <Fl-i-nT> _d4vid, hi
[11:51] <buz> how can i figure out what color depth my display uses? color gradients seem awfully bad...
[11:51] <Dosnowin> sandswitch how can i know, i ran the installation without changing anything
[11:52] <memcmeme> ok
[11:52] <sandwitch> there are boot-options when you start the install cd i guess
[11:52] <memcmeme> I don't like that one at all
[11:52] <memcmeme> does anyone know where I can find the Limewire.bin
[11:52] <memcmeme> I doesn't seem to be on the limewire page anymore :(
[11:53] <sabmoc|zombie> membreya, why dont you just convert the most recent rpm to a deb with alien?
[11:53] <Diablo-D3> limewire is full of spyware anyhow
[11:53] <garrut> anyone here use valknut?
[11:53] <Dosnowin> Isnt it curious LiveCD run perfectly instead InstallCD Fail to initalize HAL
[11:53] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, what makes you say that?
[11:54] <thesill> same problem again..... DeBootstrap error: Couldn't retreive ubuntu keyring.... second download, third CD-R.
[11:54] <Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: its recognized as spyware now
[11:54] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, its opensource, thats sad if its true.
[11:54] <Dosnowin> Everything work exept USB support
[11:54] <Funraiser> OMG installing nerolinux was so easy :-)
[11:54] <sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, recognized by who?
[11:54] <jbm__> whats plugged into your USB?
[11:55] <Diablo-D3> all the major spyware lists
[11:55] <sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, cool :)
[11:55] <cef> Dosnowin: that's because the install and livecd's aren't built at the same time, or using the same mechanism
[11:55] <vixus> Can anyone help me install my scanner?
[11:55] <Dosnowin> USB KEY
[11:55] <Dosnowin> or Hard Disk
[11:55] <Dosnowin> None is functionnal
[11:55] <Dosnowin> so what can i do cef ?
[11:56] <Diablo-D3> night all
[11:56] <Dosnowin> good night
[11:56] <vixus> Is there no xine for hoary?!!
[11:56] <memcmeme> does anyone know where I can find the debian friendly Limewire?
[11:57] <vixus> oh, gxine. =D
[11:57] <jbm__> memcmeme, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[11:57] <vixus> Can anyone help me install my scanner?
[11:57] <thesill> please help me.... I have the same problem again w my install. DeBootstrap error: Couldn't retreive ubuntu keyring....  and this is my second download,  and third third CD-R.
[11:57] <Rattboi> vixus: no
[11:57] <Rattboi> bwahahaha!
[11:57] <Rattboi> j/k, but I can't help myself
[11:58] <vixus> Hmm.
[11:58] <vixus> I can't scan in my nice sexay art then =(
[11:58] <spiral> hi
[11:58] <cef> thesill: can you do an md5sum on your cd image?
[11:59] <thesill> cef: I think so...
[11:59] <cef> thesill: which image did you download?
[12:00] <vixus> Damn, apparently my scanner is unsupported by SANE. :(
[12:00] <thesill> hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[12:00] <thesill> cef: hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[12:00] <cef> ahh the preview.. there is a newer image around.. Array7..
[12:01] <vixus> That sucks. Ah well.
[12:01] <thesill> cef: ok, any tips on how I can get my hands on that?
[12:01] <vixus> How do I install DVD support on hoary?
[12:01] <Dosnowin> Cef So what can i do for my problem ?
[12:01] <vixus> libdvdcss2 is not there.
[12:01] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, yes it is
[12:01] <Fl-i-nT> Who here is reading or has read the howtos.linux.com.......
[12:01] <cef> Dosnowin: no idea, sorry
[12:01] <thesill> cef: I am burning x8, its the slowest my burner can do i nero...
[12:02] <SeeleyUSMC> Yeah I can't watch a movie on ubuntu
[12:02] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, you need to install the universe repository in your apt sources.list
[12:02] <sabmoc|zombie> I tell people this about 10 million times a day.
[12:02] <vixus> sabmoc|zombie: I think I have... let me see.
[12:02] <jbm__> vixus, http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[12:02] <memcmeme> I really need a user friendly P2P any suggestions?
[12:02] <vixus> sabmoc|zombie, I have universe already...
[12:03] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, what about multiverse
[12:03] <vixus> sabmoc|zombie: Hmm, I don't think so.
[12:03] <cef> thesill: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/5.04/array-7/
[12:03] <sabmoc|zombie> join me on #flood ill show you what you need.
[12:03] <memcmeme> jbm__ Thanks :)
[12:03] <Dosnowin> Thank you cef
[12:04] <jbm__> memcmeme, ;)
[12:04] <sabmoc|zombie> vixus, here just follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#pan
[12:04] <ahijah> i'm dumb.. how do i use modprobe atml?
[12:04] <zzyber> i had big troubles yesterday and i really need help. Suddenly i got bad sectors in my reiserfs partition and my ubuntu didnt boot. I tried everything but nothing worked, at last i did a reinstall and for some reason it worked, strange when non of utils badblock, reiserfsck did work. Now i want to check if my disk is in shape to have as primary and i need some tool to do a blockscan and i prefer to se it live like in windows scandisk, wha
[12:04] <zzyber> t can i do?
[12:06] <thesill> cef: my previous iso checksum 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f  , and the array-7 on its way down....
[12:06] <Fl-i-nT> Why does apt.get not work for me?
[12:06] <Funraiser> something weird happen to my media playerS: I used to have realplayer, totem, xmms and xine all working perfectly. Then I installed VLCplayer and suddenly none of my players work except xine...(?)
[12:06] <Fl-i-nT> or am i spelling it wrong?
[12:07] <Fl-i-nT> oh its apt-get silly meh lol
[12:07] <Dosnowin> Is There anyway to install he LiveCD on my harddisk ?
[12:07] <vixus> Do I need to have hoary-security multiverse in my repos list?
[12:07] <Fl-i-nT> Dosnowin, i dont think that is possible
[12:08] <cef> thesill: that's the correct md5sum.. hrm
[12:09] <thesill> cef: I just relized that....
[12:09] <Funraiser> somebody knows what could be the problem with all of my media players not working? (except xine)
[12:09] <Fl-i-nT> Ok when  i did apt-get update in normal terminal it said Unable to lock the list directory does this mean i have to do apt-get commands in root?
[12:09] <mongrelic> hey I have a problem with my router/firewall/adsl modem. I can't seem to update. I've been searching for firewall rules but nothing works.
[12:09] <optika> Fl-i-nT: yes, you'll need to do almost any apt-get commands as root
[12:09] <thesill> cef.... burning in x8, could it be the problem?
[12:09] <jbm__> Funraiser, have you installed the necessary codecs to play your files?
[12:09] <Fl-i-nT> optika, thankx
[12:09] <optika> Fl-i-nT: anything that needs to modify "the system" needs to be done as root.
[12:10] <thesill> cef: is there any bootdisc/netinstall availeble?
[12:10] <cef> thesill: don't think so.. perhaps it's just the burner
[12:10] <sebastian> hello
[12:10] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, do you have the dvd playback codec installed?
[12:10] <thesill> cef: spanking new DVDx16 duallayer
[12:10] <cef> thesill: not that I'm aware of
[12:10] <Funraiser> jbm__ everything worked fine before i installed a new player called VLC
[12:10] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, oh nevermind, forgot your on warty
[12:10] <sebastian> may someone help me with ubuntu?
[12:10] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes
[12:10] <Fl-i-nT> optika, thankx ill keep that in the back of my head hehe thanks it worked
[12:10] <jbm__> let you know in 2 mins if it works in hoary ;)
[12:11] <sebastian> I cannot load the daemon powernowd and my latop became really noisy
[12:11] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, did you get it from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ?
[12:11] <sebastian> no
[12:11] <Fl-i-nT> optika, if i wanted to update a certain package would it be apt-get upgrade mozila-firefox
[12:11] <SeeleyUSMC> anyone know why a usb flash card that automounted earlier won't auto mount after a restart?
[12:12] <sebastian> I got it with hoary
[12:12] <Funraiser> jbm__ i had realplayer, xmms, totem and xine all working perfectly, then i installed a new player called VLC and then none of my players work except xine...
[12:12] <optika> Fl-i-nT: I think so, yes. I don't use apt-get to update stuff, I use synaptic or aptitude.
[12:12] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes thats the repository i got it from i believe
[12:12] <sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, it works, im just wondering if there is a hoary source, I installed it from the warty source and it worked. But I didnt realize at the time I was use the warty pkgs
[12:12] <sebastian> does someone has the same problem?
[12:13] <Fl-i-nT> optika, what do i have to do in synapic i used it yesterday to get universe but apart from that i am null
[12:13] <Funraiser> jbm__ they seem to read the file, but not sound is heard
[12:13] <Fl-i-nT> optika, let me have a go then if i get nowhere ill ask you is that alright?
[12:13] <cef> 'apt-get install package' will install the latest version of a package, unless that latest version is installed
[12:13] <optika> Fl-i-nT: I don't have synaptic in front of me, so I can't give you exact instructions, but there is a list of upgradeable packages under the "custom filters" option
[12:13] <optika> Fl-i-nT: you just need to right click on it and choose the "upgrade" option
[12:13] <jbm__> Funraiser, sorry i dont know anything about VLC
[12:14] <cef> Fl-i-nT: and to update the list of packages, use 'apt-get update'
[12:14] <optika> Fl-i-nT: or press <ctrl>f (or use the menus) to find a specific package
[12:14] <vixus> I'm trying to follow the ubuntuguide for creating a symlink to /dev/dvd... but the line I need to find isn't there.
[12:14] <vixus> BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z] ", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh %k", SYMLINK="%c{1} %c{2}" <-- not in udev.rules
[12:14] <Fl-i-nT> cef, and optika thankx ill give it a go
[12:16] <vixus> brb
[12:16] <Funraiser> jbm__ thx anyway
[12:17] <Fl-i-nT> optika, ok i went to settings>filters>Upgradable <--- out of a list so now?
[12:17] <jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, i dont believe there is any difference between libdvdcss2 for either version of ubuntu, I can find no other place to get it other than nerim.net for either
[12:18] <sandwitch> Funraiser, vlc you said ?
[12:18] <Funraiser> yes
[12:18] <optika> Fl-i-nT: as I said, just right click on the packages you want to upgrade, and choose the upgrade option from the menu.
[12:18] <sandwitch> Funraiser, you have the alsa plugin installed ?
[12:18] <tuppa> daniels: ping
[12:18] <sandwitch> Funraiser, and why not use gstreamer ?
[12:18] <Funraiser> dunno, where can i check this again?
[12:19] <memcmeme> How do you delete a file on the command line, what is the arguement?
[12:19] <Fl-i-nT> optika, hehe sorry i didnt realize i have the latest version so the option to upgrade wasnt there but yeah thanks anyway now i know how to do it for the future
[12:19] <Funraiser> xine works fine, it's just that realplayer, xmms, totem stopped working since i installed VLC
[12:19] <sandwitch> Funraiser, dpkg -l \* | grep vlc-plugin-alsa
[12:20] <sandwitch> Funraiser, oe sounds more like driver
[12:20] <jbm__> Funraiser, when you installed vlc did you also install the esd plugin: apt-get install vlc-plugin-esd
[12:20] <Funraiser> dunno
[12:20] <Funraiser> :-)
[12:20] <sandwitch> maybe alsa is gone
[12:20] <Funraiser> sandwitch but see xine works fine
[12:21] <memcmeme> anythoughts I need to delete something
[12:21] <sandwitch> ok
[12:21] <daniels> tuppa: pong
[12:21] <thesill> cef: the array-7 iso down and w cortrect checksum.. I will give it a try w another burner.
[12:21] <jbm__> Funraiser, this thread discussed installing VLC maybe it can help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20588
[12:21] <sandwitch> and which soundriver does xine uses ?
[12:21] <cef> thesill: good luck
[12:21] <Funraiser> i don't want VLC i would just like to have realplayer xmms and totem to work back...:-(
[12:22] <thesill> caf: also, whats the diffrences between those two, the "array-7" and the hoary on the ubuntu fist page?
[12:22] <thesill> cef:thanks
[12:22] <Funraiser> sandwitch how can i check that?
[12:22] <sandwitch> euh think in the xine settings dialog Funraiser
[12:23] <ahijah> i'm trying to patch a file but it says my patch input is garbage.. what does that mean?
[12:23] <Pointwood> hi, what program can I use to batch resize a lot of pics?
[12:23] <sandwitch> Funraiser, you could also reinstall xmms and obsere what happends
[12:23] <sandwitch> *observe
[12:23] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
[12:24] <thesill> cef: going offline now, the ubuntu machin will be my gateway/router/dhcp server, thanks for the help.
[12:24] <ahijah> i'm using ( gzip -cd (place my file is) | patch -p1
[12:25] <ahijah> i'm trying to patch a file but it says my patch input is garbage.. what does that mean?
[12:25] <ahijah> i'm using ( gzip -cd (place my file is) | patch -p1
[12:25] <Funraiser> sandwitch u are french?
[12:25] <tuppa> daniels: has your thinkpad x40 PM packages been merged into main acpi packages?
[12:25] <Fl-i-nT> Does anyone here use firebird?
[12:25] <daniels> tuppa: yeah
[12:25] <sandwitch> Funraiser, no dutch :)
[12:26] <Funraiser> k
[12:26] <tuppa> daniels: ahhh, that explains why you've removed it ;)
[12:27] <ahijah> ok now i know i'm being ignored
[12:27] <ahijah> ...
[12:27] <sandwitch> Funraiser, but i think that's you easy guess reinstall xmms so all dependencies come in place
[12:27] <jintxo> ahijah, if your patch is a single file gzipped, you should probably zcat file.gz  | patch -p1 instead of gzip -c
[12:28] <ahijah> k
[12:28] <sandwitch> ahijah, gzip -cd patchXX.gz | patch -p0 .bz2 and stop crying :P
[12:28] <ahijah> i'll try
[12:28] <Funraiser> do i have to uninstall it first?
[12:28] <sandwitch> Funraiser, nope
[12:28] <Funraiser> k i'll try
[12:28] <sandwitch> good luck
[12:29] <sandwitch> ahijah, sorry forget about the .bz2 part :)
[12:30] <ahijah> no luck with changing the p#
[12:30] <Funraiser> sandwitch do i need to reboot?
[12:30] <sandwitch> nope Funraiser
[12:30] <Funraiser> i mean after reinstallation
[12:30] <sandwitch> whereis your source ahijah
[12:30] <ahijah> cdrom
[12:30] <sandwitch> Funraiser, nope
[12:30] <sandwitch> how can you patch a file on cd ?
[12:31] <sandwitch> a cd is read only :)
[12:31] <ahijah> no the patch is on the cd.. the file i'm patching is the kernal
[12:31] <Funraiser> nope doensn't work, it says another program is probably blocking the sound card
[12:31] <Funraiser> i bet it's VLC
[12:31] <ahijah> brb...
[12:32] <sandwitch> put the patch next to the toplevel kernel source
[12:32] <sandwitch> then use -p0
[12:32] <sandwitch> if you put it in the toplevel dir you use -p1
[12:32] <sandwitch> apt-get remove --purge vlc
[12:33] <Fl-i-nT> Is anybody here successful with Gdesklets?
[12:33] <sandwitch> and its gone :0
[12:33] <sandwitch> gotta go later ladies and gents
[12:34] <Fl-i-nT> sandwitch, bye bye
[12:34] <Funraiser> Fl-i-n-T i'm not so far
[12:35] <ahijah> ok not it's dont saying stuff about garbage... not it says the file isn't a gzip file
[12:35] <ahijah> grrr
[12:35] <Fl-i-nT> Fl-i-nT have you got the requirements?
[12:36] <ahijah> any "not" i type change to now lol
[12:37] <jnoreiko> hi. stupid question.... but how do I use gnome without a mouse? got it booted on an ancient pentium but the mouse won't work
[12:37] <ahijah> use the keyboard maybe
[12:38] <ahijah> lol just messing
[12:38] <jnoreiko> yeah... but a starting point would be good, ie how do I access the menus?
[12:38] <jnoreiko> :)
[12:38] <ahijah> ctrl button
[12:39] <ahijah> any luck
[12:39] <ahijah> alt+f
[12:39] <ahijah> maybe
[12:39] <jbm__> jnoreiko, cntr-alt + F2 will take you to a terminal screen and there you can do everything you need untill you geta mouse
[12:40] <jbm__> jnoreiko, cntr-alt + F7 will breing you back to gnome b.t.w.
[12:40] <Fl-i-nT> Funriaser, have you got th requirments for Gdesklets?
[12:42] <bij> hi@all....
[12:43] <mercurus> hmm ... I've got a seg fault on openoffice in Warty ... anyone able to assist ?
[12:43] <jdub> jnoreiko: alt-f1
[12:43] <jdub> jnoreiko: that'll pop down the applications menu
[12:44] <jnoreiko> thanks. I'm in a terminal screen now, and it soooo slow it'll take me a while to get back to the desktop
[12:44] <mercurus> while it was working last night, today it is segfaulting on startup
[12:44] <jnoreiko> pentium 133 BTW
[12:45] <mercurus> possible changes include: ODBC-related packages (which I've now purged), nVidia binary drivers and configuration for my SB Audigy2 Value ...
[12:45] <jintxo> mercurus, no idea what it could be, but when a program segfaults on me for no apparentreason I usually run "strace -o /tmp/strace.out <application_name>" and then take a look at the strace.out file (towards the end) to see what was going on when it was sent a sig 11
[12:46] <mercurus> jintxo: I've tried running it through gdb (completely unexpertly) using the instructions from the openoffice(1) manpage
[12:46] <mercurus> brb
[12:46] <mongrelic> hello again. I've been trying to use either apt-get and synaptic to update, but my external router/modem/firewall just doesn't let me do it. does any one know the port forwarding rules to use in this case?
[12:46] <jintxo> the gdb output could be a bit too cryptic, never really used it myself, run it under strace, it might tell you exactly why its segfaulting, it might not, but it's definitely worth a look
[12:47] <mercurus> jintxo: aye, just looking for the binary name
[12:47] <ogra> mongrelic, both use http
[12:47] <ogra> mongrelic, so if youre able to see websites, its not caused by your router
[12:48] <mongrelic> hummm, so what is it?
[12:48] <mongrelic> I'm really puzzled
[12:48] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
[12:49] <mongrelic> I had previous FC3 problems of the same sort. but before I had the router I had a speedtouch 330 and everything was ok with synaptic
[12:49] <teleyinex> hi
[12:50] <tux> hello. How can I activate the cups administration by web? That is, I want to add printers, configure them, ... by web: http://localhost:631
[12:50] <jintxo> ahijah, so is it a gzip file? run "file <filename>" on it...
[12:50] <teleyinex> im in hoary and im seeing problems with dbus-1 and gnome2.10
[12:50] <ahijah> k
[12:50] <teleyinex> i have to restart dbus once i have booted up
[12:50] <teleyinex> why?
[12:50] <teleyinex> are there any known bug?
[12:50] <SirFred> Hi.
[12:51] <ahijah> it says it's an executable text file
[12:51] <SirFred> Just a curiosity about the mouse cursor theme in ubuntu.
[12:51] <mercurus> jintxo: well, I confess I don't find strace any less confusing that gdb :P BUT ... the last large block of errors was nvidia related ...
[12:51] <mercurus> I'll sort that particular mess out I think ...
[12:51] <SirFred> Some time ago, my hoary losed the white cursors and never went back again. Is this premeditated or just a bug?
[12:52] <jintxo> ahijah, so it's not a gzip file.. you can't uncompress it with gzip then, take a look at it (with vi or cat) if it loks like a patch file, try using it without gzipping it first
[12:52] <SirFred> Perhaps I'm missing some package to install?
[12:52] <mercurus> SirFred: have you tried to reset the cursor images from the Computer -> Desktop Preferences menus ?
[12:52] <jintxo> ahijah, like patch -p# < filename.whatever
[12:53] <SirFred> No, I didn't even know that menu.
[12:53] <loaded> hello all
[12:53] <mercurus> SirFred: have a look in there, I don't know if there was a shift from white-pngs to black-pngs for mouse cursors ...
[12:53] <loaded> need help with installing tar.gz's if anyone can help me
[12:53] <jintxo> mercurus, maybe openoffice depends on glx and everything being OK? can you run, for example, glxgears?
[12:53] <llama32> hello
[12:54] <llama32> how much disk space approcimately does it take to install ubuntu?
[12:54] <mercurus> jintxo: bingo. Segfault !
[12:54] <SirFred> mercurus: I'm not able to find that menu (I've an spanish localized ubuntu). What's the english exact name?
[12:54] <llama32> i tried on about a 1.7gb partition and it ran out of space...
[12:54] <apokryphos> llama32: it all depends on how much you're looking to install
[12:54] <jintxo> mercurus, that's your problem. Are you using the drivers in ubuntu or downloaded yourself from nvidia.com?
[12:54] <mercurus> mental note to self: don't install nVidia binaries and then install the nvidia-glx package.
[12:55] <SirFred> mercurus: Mouse preferences didn't have any reference to cursors.
[12:55] <mercurus> SirFred: aye, do a search for pointer.png or similar ...
[12:55] <apokryphos> llama32: I think around 2gb is the minimum for the root partition.
[12:55] <bij> i've installed a fresh array 7 release of hoary... i'm new to ubuntu... i've used kanotix before.... how is the root mode handled in ubuntu... when i write down "su" and then enter my normal password i cannot go into the rootshell
[12:55] <jintxo> mercurus, exactly, that happened to me in the past, the nvidia-glx package put a startup script in /etc/init.d and it was messing up my GLX setup, took me a while to figure out :-p
[12:55] <bij> what am i doing wrong???
[12:55] <mercurus> SirFred: if it did change, it would have been part of a gnome-themes update or similar
[12:55] <loaded> need to install mplayer... anyone have any feedback on the install/operation?
[12:55] <teleyinex> no one has my problem?
[12:56] <SirFred> mercurus: Those cursors were part of a gnome theme, I remember.
[12:56] <apokryphos> loaded: did you follow the instructions as suggested on the site?
[12:56] <jintxo> bij, if you want a root shell run "sudo su"
[12:56] <SirFred> mercurus: But they went away some time ago. They never come back, afaik
[12:56] <mercurus> jinxto: aye, I'll uninstall the nVidia sourced binary and re-install nvidia-glx
[12:56] <loaded> apokryphos i don't understand what they mean, and cannot run anything unless under root login.  is this normal?
[12:57] <apokryphos> loaded: no
[12:57] <bij> oki i'll test it
[12:57] <jintxo> bij, by default root has no password and can't log in, everything is handled via "sudo" unless you set a password for root, then you can log in
[12:57] <apokryphos> loaded: on what who means?
[12:57] <ahijah> grrr
[12:57] <mercurus> back in a bit :)
[12:58] <ikaro> mojn
[12:58] <loaded> what the website instructions for mplayer mean, i can tar filename.tar.gz but don't know where to go from there...
[12:58] <apokryphos> loaded: you shouldn't *ever* have to use root in Ubuntu. That's the whole point of sudo.
[12:58] <loaded> i'm used to .exe files and haven't quite found the equivelant.
[12:58] <bij> jintxo, how do i set the password?
[12:59] <thesill> cef: got pass that problem now, thanks .... *foood*
[12:59] <apokryphos> loaded: that's now what you have to do here... it's even simpler. You can use apt. Are you familiar with it?
[01:00] <loaded> i know apt-get update and that's about it. ! Sorry
[01:00] <jintxo> bij, don't do it unless youreally want to, but anyway, if you do, just run "sudo passwd root". the usual is just to use sudo for everything
[01:00] <apokryphos> loaded: no worries; hold on, I'll query and explain
[01:00] <loaded> thank you
[01:00] <bij> jintxo, do you think that this is not necessary...?
[01:01] <_Demian_> can anyone help me with this http://www.pastebin.com/260543
[01:01] <_Demian_> ?
[01:01] <loaded> Is sudo just a temporary root?
[01:02] <jintxo> bij I don't have my root account enabled, no need to, you can do as you please but I would leave it disabled unless I had a good reason
[01:02] <username> I'm going through the 'Music Player' application. In the 'radio stations' list, pretty much none of them work at all.
[01:02] <Fl-i-nT> Anyone got STATERBAR for gdesklets?
[01:02] <DragoraN> hi
[01:02] <DragoraN> how to exclude some packages from apt when doing upgrade.. ?
[01:03] <Fl-i-nT> Select one by one
[01:03] <DragoraN> no..
[01:03] <DragoraN> iam doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:03] <username> some of them seem to be not available, others seem to be available but say "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
[01:03] <username> So basically, the radio in music player simply doesn't work.
[01:03] <bij> jintxo, ok i'll leave it as it is.... another question about the ubuntu console: if i write "apt-get install" and press the  <TAB>Button... no proposals are given... in kanotix it listet me all the possibilities... how can i change this?
[01:04] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell loaded ubusudo
[01:04] <Pyre> loaded: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:04] <jintxo> bij, no idea. I just use apt-cache search to find out what I want to install, and then use apt-get install when I know what I want
[01:05] <bij> ok i'll find the solution... if i got it should i let you know?
[01:05] <jintxo> me? no, not really :-p thanks though
[01:05] <loaded> thank you apokryphos...
[01:05] <bij> jintxo, ok and i thank you for your help...
[01:06] <loaded> so you can use apt- to download more than just updates?
[01:06] <apokryphos> bij: I'd be interested in knowing the "solution" if you find it. :)
[01:06] <apokryphos> loaded: of course. Just enable the repositories in your sources.list
[01:06] <apokryphos> loaded: the disabled ones are "commented out" with a #
[01:06] <bij> apokryphos, i knew how to do this... it's been a while but i had that problem before...
[01:07] <apokryphos> right
[01:07] <loaded> sorry apokryphos, i'm really new.... where do i find sources.list?
[01:07] <apokryphos> loaded: /etc/apt
[01:08] <apokryphos> ahijah: Google :)
[01:08] <ahijah> lol
[01:08] <ahijah> very funny
[01:09] <apokryphos> ahijah: I'm serious. :) Cvs is a way of allowing developers to all work on the same code.
[01:09] <ahijah> current version system
[01:09] <_Demian_> anyone interested in a mind braker?
[01:09] <_Demian_> http://www.pastebin.com/260543
[01:09] <_Demian_> realy
[01:09] <_Demian_> :)
[01:09] <loaded> i see home, desktop, filesystem and network but no etc/apt
[01:10] <apokryphos> loaded: the "/" is important
[01:10] <apokryphos> loaded: in terminal type "cd /etc/apt" then "ls"
[01:10] <loaded> found it
[01:11] <Spooks> Seems like the "coolkid" thing to do, so...
[01:11] <Myrtti> _Demian_: thanks for the reminder, I need to get my nvidia drivers
[01:12] <_Demian_> Myrtti, np but can you help me out?
[01:12] <loaded> okay, typed ls, it says
[01:12] <loaded> apt.conf.d sources.list
[01:12] <Myrtti> _Demian_: not really, sorry
[01:12] <loaded> (username)@ubuntu: /etc/apt #
[01:13] <_Demian_> Myrtti, too bad :)
[01:13] <_Demian_> Myrtti, thnx anyway
[01:13] <Myrtti> _Demian_: though I must wonder about those MHz's
[01:14] <_Demian_> Myrtti, I'm beond wondering
[01:14] <Myrtti> _Demian_: show me your xorg.conf at pastebin
[01:14] <_Demian_> Myrtti, I'm at agitated
[01:14] <Spooks> Anyone know if there's a minimum refresh rate I can set?
[01:15] <username> Am I right in ascertaining that 'Music Player' doesn't actually play mp3s either?
[01:15] <_Demian_> Myrtti, http://www.pastebin.com/260546
[01:15] <Chand> hi
[01:16] <Spooks> hey Chand
[01:16] <reon> Spooks, that depends on your monitor if that is what you are talking about
[01:16] <Myrtti> username: not if you don't get the needed extras
[01:16] <Chand> how can I enable inotify on latest hoary kernels
[01:16] <jintxo> username, it plays mp3s, you just have to have the right gstreamer-plugins installed
[01:16] <Spooks> Yeah reon
[01:16] <username> Myrtti, that's a bit stupid then. Why can't it do useful things by default? What does it actually do then?
[01:16] <motuline> Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter as user root: Childd terminated with 1 status
[01:16] <Spooks> With windows I could use 1024x768 res, but only when I used 43Hz interlaced
[01:16] <motuline> why is that?
[01:17] <reon> Spooks, you need to get the specs for your monitor and maybe edit the xorg.conf file
[01:17] <Spooks> I was just wondering if there's an equivalent
[01:18] <reon> Spooks, what monitor do you have ?
[01:18] <daniels> Myrtti: unfortunately, we cannot distribute MP3 support by default -- it is illegal and would get us sued into oblivion
[01:18] <Spooks> An old Samatron
[01:18] <Myrtti> daniels: really?!!!?! yes, I know.
[01:19] <reon> hey daniels is here, howzit
[01:19] <Myrtti> mmmm chocolate easter eggs
[01:19] <reon> Spooks, they have webiste or you have a manual ?
[01:19] <Spooks> Neither, afaik
[01:19] <Myrtti> _Demian_: sorry, I have no idea how to help you
[01:20] <_Demian_> Myrtti, cool thnx for the effort anyway
[01:20] <Spooks> Imma google-ate it
[01:20] <reon> Spooks, hmm you are gonna have to play around, what were the max settings it worked at in windows ?
[01:20] <username> bloody hell - it doesn't even play any of my iTunes music either. What a load of useless toss.
[01:20] <Spooks> max settings in windows were 1024x768 at 43Hz Interlaced
[01:20] <daniels> Myrtti: er, was pointed at the right person, sorry
[01:21] <daniels> username: see above
[01:21] <Spooks> Or 800x600 at 75Hz
[01:21] <daniels> reon: not bad thanks; you?
[01:21] <username> you can drag and drop anything you like to 'Music player' - it ignores everything. It seems to have no use whatsoever.
[01:21] <Spooks> PS. I know I need a new monitor.
[01:21] <Spooks>  :D
[01:21] <_Demian_> username, try xmms
[01:21] <username> ok
[01:21] <_Demian_> username, you can drag and drop anything you want in there
[01:22] <reon> good, can see you are confused ;) pm'ed you a while back about nvidia support, username mips
[01:22] <username> so it works then?
[01:22] <Myrtti> username: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:22] <_Demian_> username, as long as it is music :)
[01:22] <reon> Spooks, that is probably a good idea, they are dirt cheap these days
[01:22] <apokryphos> daniels: would you have any idea why I would only get sound-output from two speakers rather than all?
[01:22] <username> if it plays my iTunes music, I'm happy. If it plays mp3 too, that's a bonus
[01:22] <Spooks> True true
[01:23] <apokryphos> daniels: thought Linux might not like 'em, but seemed to work reasonably well on other distros.
[01:23] <Spooks> I was just interested to see if it was possible
[01:23] <username> xmms needs installing does it?
[01:23] <_Demian_> username, just use synaptic
[01:23] <Myrtti> username: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:23] <username> forget it
[01:23] <zzyber> i had big troubles yesterday and i really need help. Suddenly i got bad sectors in my reiserfs partition and my ubuntu didnt boot. I tried everything but nothing worked, at last i did a reinstall and for some reason it worked, strange when non of utils badblock, reiserfsck did work. Now i want to check if my disk is in shape to have as primary and i need some tool to do a blockscan and i prefer to se it live like in windows scandisk, wha
[01:23] <zzyber> t can i do?
[01:23] <_Demian_> username, and then use find xmms
[01:23] <username> no, I'll use my ibook
[01:24] <_Demian_> hehehe
[01:24] <_Demian_> also an option
[01:24] <username> you know, that computer that has software that works
[01:24] <apokryphos> username: you can also use amaroK, which I definitely recommend.
[01:25] <DragoraN> please help
[01:25] <Spooks> Someone has his pants in a twist
[01:25] <Spooks> or her
[01:25] <Snarfy> lol
[01:25] <daniels> apokryphos: no, sorry
[01:25] <reon> %%$%,  The Application "gnome-volume-manager" has quit unexpectedly.
[01:25] <DragoraN> i get this error: http://www.pastebin.com/260547
[01:25] <apokryphos> daniels: ok, thanks anyhow.
[01:26] <tombs> hi ppl
[01:26] <Spooks> Ooh. What's the filepath to xorg.conf please? I'm still getting used to the filesystem
[01:26] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  did you try apt-get -f install ?
[01:26] <DragoraN> Snarfy: yes.. prints the same
[01:26] <dtudosie> hi all
[01:26] <Myrtti> Spooks: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:27] <Spooks> kk, ty
[01:27] <azad> Hallo
[01:27] <dtudosie> anydoby experienced crashes in openoffice 2 when opening the help ?
[01:27] <jintxo> zzyber, there's a program called "badblocks" but I don't know if you can run it on a reiser filesystem...
[01:28] <Spooks> It's not there. I take it that means I haven't got a certain something installed?
[01:28] <apokryphos> Spooks: are you on warty?
[01:28] <DragoraN> Snarfy: : can u help me?
[01:28] <Spooks> Yup
[01:28] <apokryphos> Spooks: then it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:29] <Spooks> Aha
[01:29] <Spooks> ty
[01:29] <apokryphos> not xorg.. you've got xfree.
[01:29] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  looking, hold on
[01:29] <Spooks> Excuse my poor windows orientated mind
[01:29] <DragoraN> Snarfy: thx..
[01:29] <reon> how can I check my gfx card performance ?
[01:30] <apokryphos> Spooks: hehe. No problem. :D
[01:30] <Spooks>  :>
[01:30] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  i don't use kde but is it an option to remove kdebase-data and after that apt-get install kmail ?
[01:31] <jintxo> reon, fast chek is to sun glxgears from a terminal and see what fps you get
[01:31] <azad> i think i've got an old "sources.list".. because always when i look for something using apt-cache search, i only find old versions.. it seems
[01:31] <zzyber> jintxo, i can use it with reiserfsck and -B but im looking for other solution if there is one?
[01:31] <DragoraN> Snarfy: iam doing apt-get dist-upgrade...
[01:32] <azad> i could paste the list to anyone, who wants to help me, too, it isn't too long
[01:32] <reon> jintxo, sun glxgears  ?
[01:32] <apokryphos> azad: are you on Warty?
[01:32] <jintxo> zzyber, sorry man ,that's way above me :-p
[01:32] <jintxo> reon, "run" not "sun", heh
[01:32] <azad> apokryphos: to be honest i just don't know
[01:32] <azad> :(
[01:33] <apokryphos> azad: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[01:33] <SmokingFire> ok I just had to do modprobe bttv card=X to get my tvcard recognized correctly. But will it be still there after I reboot the machine?
[01:33] <azad> yah, warty warthog
[01:33] <apokryphos> azad: then all your packages are going to be dated. Hoary has all the new apps.
[01:33] <azad> how can i change that?
[01:33] <reon> jintxo,  3321 frames in 5.0 seconds = 664.200 FPS
[01:33] <Fl-i-nT> YESSS finally i got the MAC OS enviroment i wanted oh this is a beuti beui i i i tfuuull
[01:33] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell azad ubuhoary
[01:33] <Pyre> azad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[01:33] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  remove kmail (save data) finisch the dist-upgrade and then try to install kmail again
[01:34] <reon> i take it that is very slow
[01:34] <az[a] zel> hmm I installed kubuntu-desktop, but I'm a little dissapointed :( KDE is still my main DE (on Mandrake).. but GNOME appears to be most of my attraction to ubuntu, and KDE just didn't have that.. it just felt cluttered and ugly, and i've never felt that way about KDE before
[01:34] <ruff> hi
[01:34] <DragoraN> Snarfy: i dont use kmail..
[01:34] <azad> thanks a lot apokryphos, hope i'll handle it
[01:34] <ruff> just installed ubuntu 5.04
[01:34] <ruff> i am trying to get into root
[01:34] <apokryphos> az[a] zel: sorry to hear that. ;-)
[01:34] <ruff> i tired sudo passwd root
[01:35] <reon> 3321 frames in 5.0 seconds = 664.200 FPS  How do I improve the performance ???
[01:35] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  Unpacking replacement kmail ??
[01:35] <Fl-i-nT> ruff, isnt it just sudo?
[01:35] <apokryphos> ruff: Ubuntu uses sudo, not root.
[01:35] <ruff> but then it askes for a password
[01:35] <DragoraN> Snarfy: apt-get remove kmail > http://www.pastebin.com/260551
[01:35] <ruff> ok
[01:35] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell ruff ubusudo
[01:35] <Pyre> ruff: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:35] <Fl-i-nT> ruff, that would be the password that you have to login as admin
[01:35] <apokryphos> azad: let us know if you have any problems. :)
[01:36] <SmokingFire> ruff: I think the first password is the su user password and then it will ask for a unix password and a repeat of that unix password.
[01:36] <detached> do you know any program that will show me all partitions on my hdd even if they aren't mounted ? (tiny one if possible)
[01:36] <ruff> ah i see
[01:36] <ruff> let me try that
[01:36] <kosmos> fdisk
[01:36] <SmokingFire> ruff: The unix passwords are the root passwords.
[01:36] <Dave2|Laptop> Is there anything special you have to do to get OpenGL working on a SiS chip, other than to just specify it on install?
[01:36] <detached> kosmos: i need a visual program ...
[01:36] <ruff> yes your right
[01:36] <ruff> thank you
[01:37] <kosmos> detached, why?
[01:37] <SmokingFire> np
[01:37] <ruff> i was thiking, sudo passwd root...and then set you password
[01:37] <ruff> anyway all sorted out
[01:37] <Fl-i-nT> good
[01:37] <kosmos> is qparted "visiual" enough?
[01:37] <detached> kosmos:  i've got no reason
[01:37] <detached> yes
[01:37] <detached> thanks
[01:37] <SmokingFire> can anyone tell me if modprode [some device driver]  is saved after a reboot.
[01:38] <Ribs> SmokingFire: no, it's not
[01:38] <Ribs> you'll either have to modprobe it again, or add it to autoload
[01:38] <Fl-i-nT> Ok this happens to me very often why is it on Music player it sometimes jsut freezes
[01:38] <SmokingFire> Ribs: How can I save it?
[01:38] <Fl-i-nT> Anybody knwo why or if it happens to them?
[01:38] <Ribs> SmokingFire: /etc/autoload.d or something
[01:38] <SmokingFire> etc/modules.conf or something?
[01:38] <Ribs> I don't have a ubuntu box to hand
[01:38] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  sorry, no idea ..... apt-get clean, apt-get update and then apt-get -f install
[01:38] <Ribs> you'll have to root around for it
[01:38] <netdur> hey, if I "apt-get install kde" will kde add it's apps to Gnome menu?
[01:38] <az[a] zel> netdur, yes, unfortunately
[01:39] <Snarfy> DragoraN,  not much else i can tell you, maybe someone else has some ideas
[01:39] <az[a] zel> netdur, now my gnome is cluttered with KDE crap even though I just wanted to try out KDE 3.4
[01:39] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: what music player?
[01:39] <apokryphos> ahem
[01:39] <visor> hi people how you doing? :)
[01:39] <azad> wow, seems to work :) just edited those "warty" things in the sources.list and now i'm on upgrading
[01:39] <netdur> az[a] zel, I will not install it then, thank you
[01:39] <CarlK_> can someone try the rsync listed on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu - I have been getting the error for about a week: http://phpfi.com/54948
[01:40] <Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, just Applications>Multmedia>Music Player
[01:40] <caffinated> does anyone know if there were any significant changes to ndiswrapper in hoary?  it worked great in warty, but it doesn't seem to work now.
[01:40] <SmokingFire> ooh I think thats Rythmnbox Fl-i-nT
[01:40] <jintxo> SmokingFire, you could always put "bttv" in your /etc/modules to get it to load on boot. if you need to pass card=X to the module on load then you will have to create edit a file in /etc/modutils with "options bttv card=x" and run "update-modules"
[01:41] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: but no it doesn't happen to me, what kind of files are you playing?
[01:41] <caffinated> az[a] zel: probably.  assuming they don't *cough* break
[01:41] <Fl-i-nT> Just a 20 song playlist
[01:41] <Fl-i-nT> i have to force quit it jsut freezes
[01:41] <SmokingFire> jintxo: The thing the bttv driver is loaded however the wrong one.
[01:42] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: i had that problem too.  i finally got rid of it and put xmms back in.
[01:42] <jintxo> SmokingFire, so what you need is to pass it the card=X option?
[01:42] <SmokingFire> jintxo: yes
[01:42] <SmokingFire> so modutils?
[01:42] <Fl-i-nT> caffinated, so how do i get rid of it or what exactly did you do?
[01:42] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: got rid of it, as in, uninstalled it.
[01:42] <jintxo> SmokingFire, you could edit one of the files in /etc/modutils and then run "update-modules" to get that config saved into modules.conf
[01:43] <madel> hi there
[01:43] <Fl-i-nT> caffinated, oh ok ill do this
[01:43] <iLL_Away> good evening all
[01:43] <madel> how do I do something like  seting vga=792, I don' t understand how to do that in grub, i did it in lilo
[01:43] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: it's not really a solution to fixing it, but xmms is nicer anyway imho
[01:43] <jintxo> SmokingFire, better than editing an existing one, better to create a new one so the one you edit doesn't get overwritten with an apt-get update
[01:44] <SmokingFire> jintxo: let me see whats in /etc
[01:44] <crimsun> madel: add it to the boot line when the computer boots (press 'e'), or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and append it to the end of the # kopts=  line
[01:44] <crimsun> madel: with the latter choice, you'll have to run ,,sudo update-grub'' afterward
[01:44] <kosmos> madel, just pu it in zhe kernel line, vga=0x318 for 1200x... for example
[01:45] <Fl-i-nT> caffinated, well there must be something wrong with that rythmbox programmes because it did it since i have installed Warty yesterday o.O
[01:45] <madel> crimsun, sudo echo "vga=792"   >> /boot/grub/menu.lst; sudo update-grub  ??
[01:45] <caffinated> Fl-i-nT: yes, i couldn't find a solution to it either
[01:45] <crimsun> madel: you have to actually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:45] <Myrtti> uulalaa
[01:46] <SmokingFire> jintxo: So shouldn't I be using /etc/modprobe.d? And how/what do I name the file?
[01:46] <crimsun> madel: you can't just append it to the file
[01:46] <Myrtti> I try to install nvidia-glx, but none exists.
[01:46] <kosmos> madel, you have tu put it in the right line
[01:46] <SmokingFire> Myrtti: what do you mean?
[01:46] <caffinated> Myrtti: it's there, but the official drivers direct from nvidia are better
[01:46] <visor> anyone knows where to grab an xchat-systray deb for ubuntu?
[01:46] <Myrtti> SmokingFire: I've searched apt, none exists
[01:47] <crimsun> Myrtti: sure they exist
[01:47] <SmokingFire> Myrtti: you searched for nvdia with synaptic?
[01:47] <crimsun> Myrtti: you just can't install them unless you have nvidia-kernel installed.
[01:47] <Myrtti> well tell me where, cause not in my lists they are
[01:47] <iLLf8d> this the general question channel for ubuntu? I've got some feature/debian vs ubuntu difference questions
[01:47] <iLLf8d> ?
[01:47] <crimsun> Myrtti: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[01:47] <Fl-i-nT> Ok does anyone here have gdesklets?
[01:48] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: I tried it once but it was to much for me.
[01:48] <jintxo> SmokingFire, just call it "bttv" for example. make sure to run the update-modules part to save it to modules.conf
[01:48] <Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, what do you mean?
[01:48] <SmokingFire> jintxo: just bttv or bttv.conf?
[01:49] <iLLf8d> is there an ubuntu noob channel somewhere?
[01:49] <jintxo>  /etc/modutils/bttv
[01:49] <Myrtti> iLLf8d: this is it
[01:49] <Fl-i-nT> iLLf8d, it here
[01:49] <SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: Its eyecandy but I personally found out it just clutters the desktop with useless information, that I can find out using an applet or two-three mouseclicks.
[01:50] <SmokingFire> iLLf8d: you're talking in it.
[01:50] <iLLf8d> I'm running debian atm I got a few questions about ubuntus enhancements vs standard gnome/kde canned install. What enhancements are added to the environs (mimetypes, fileassociations etc?)
[01:50] <SmokingFire> jintxo: thanks
[01:50] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: generally, an attempt is made at chosing a bestofbreed program, rather than several programs
[01:50] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: ubuntu also follows gnome very closely
[01:50] <jintxo> good luck :-) after you're done take a look at /etc/modules.conf see if your option line is in there, then bttv should always load with that option if it's there
[01:50] <Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, nah i aint gonna use the Desktop eyecandy i jsut need a thing called Starterbar which is the dock from MAC OS once i have that my Ubuntu will be finally converted to a MAC
[01:51] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: in fact, we have totem in since warty
[01:51] <iLLf8d> Burgundavia: ah uhm does it give you the ability to tweak the best of breeds to another app and still maintain mimeish type stuffs and the like
[01:51] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: you can install other apps yes
[01:52] <iLLf8d> so its not like a fancy ubuntu plugger its an application suite
[01:52] <iLLf8d> I keep losing my ?'s key must be on its way out
[01:52] <Fl-i-nT> Does anyone here have a MAC OS enviroment like the theeme or anything like that?
[01:53] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: ubuntu has very little in custom stuff. There is a big pressure, and a good one, to push everything good that we do upstream
[01:53] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: Mark Shuttleworth, in a lug radio interview, called in the distro upstreams will love
[01:53] <Burgundavia> s/in/it
[01:54] <Burgundavia> iLLf8d: in addition, most of debian in is universe if it is not already in main
[01:54] <iLLf8d> anyone considering an fbuntu?
[01:54] <iLLf8d> fluxbox that is =P
[01:55] <nasdaq7> what is lug?
[01:55] <iLLf8d> linux users gourp
[01:55] <iLLf8d> group even
[01:55] <sionide> linux user group indeed
[01:55] <sionide> hm
[01:55] <sionide> i think im out of hard disk space :s
[01:55] <iLLf8d> its an excuse to get together and show off your laptops and portable mp3 players and routers
[01:56] <iLLf8d> usually theres a bit of diablo involved too
[01:56] <iLLf8d> under cedega/winex
[01:56] <SmokingFire> iLLf8d: I always thought that ubuntu was the first debian based distro using only gnome, besides some other things.
[01:56] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
[01:56] <sionide> http://www.lugradio.org
[01:57] <caffinated> well, since nobody seems to know about this ndiswrapper issue...could someone do me a huge favour and tell me which version of the ndiswrapper-utils package comes with worty?  I think i'm going to try to move back to an earlier version.
[01:57] <iLLf8d> SmokingFire: I like gnome but the wm is missing a few features I like (tho not all do)
[01:57] <iLLf8d> I could run a mix and I run mostly gnomish apps
[01:58] <iLLf8d> only kde stuffs I goof with are k3b at times (otherwise I use gcombust)
[01:58] <SmokingFire> iLLf8d: I like plain GUI's I have tried skinning programs on windows for example but after a week or so, they get boring.
[01:58] <crimsun> caffinated: use the form: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:58] <jintxo> anybody had any luck creating VCDs under ubuntu? I been trying with kavi2svcd, no luck so far :-/
[01:59] <caffinated> crimsun: thanks, i'll have a look
[01:59] <iLLf8d> SmokingFire: actually my ideal environ would be a karmaba/gdesklet with nothign else (other then behind the scenes wm)
[01:59] <oclv> what package do i need for xmms ability to play shoutcast streams ?
[02:00] <iLLf8d> oclv: should do it outta the can
[02:00] <SmokingFire> Personally, I think flashy things are neat like the new stuff in osx (genie effect etc.) but from experience I know that they will be in the way after the "ooh and aah" fase has passed.
[02:01] <iLLf8d> oclv: to stream them you need xmms-liveice (/me is guessing cause i'm not overly ubuntu savvy)
[02:01] <SmokingFire> oclv: well in rythmnbox you need the mp3 package.
[02:01] <crimsun> oclv: you can play them out of the box, as iLLf8d said.
[02:02] <oclv> no, i can't. i'm gettting errors with synaptic and apt, saying apt is already runnning, also.
[02:02] <iLLf8d> oclv: ps ax | grep apt see if its running still
[02:02] <oclv> nope
[02:03] <apokryphos> oclv: what's the error message?
[02:03] <iLLf8d> oclv: what about synaptic
[02:04] <oclv> well, synaptic's working again now. :|
[02:04] <iLLf8d> oclv don't forget pkill is your friend
[02:04] <oclv> i know how to kill processes ;)
[02:05] <Fl-i-nT> YO at the bottom of my firefox there is red writing whihc says " ^    class="t "
[02:05] <Fl-i-nT> what does this mean?
[02:05] <sionide> hrm my synaptic keeps crashing when it's trying to update open office.. :/
[02:05] <sionide> bbl tho, lunch time
[02:05] <iLLf8d> oclv: no offense some ppls dunno and I dunno you (often ppls don't know about the sig15 either)
[02:05] <oclv> aye (:
[02:06] <oclv> hmm, ok, now xmms thinks libmikmod isn't available- ?
[02:07] <caffinated> hm, still no good.  starting to think it's got to be a problem with the kernel module itself :/
[02:07] <iLLf8d> oclv: sometimes its a plugin (or used to be)
[02:07] <caffinated> this is going to be a fun night
[02:07] <Fl-i-nT> Sniff Sniff i have a wierd firefox its got red writing at the bottom and that shouldnt be there sniff sniff
[02:09] <Fl-i-nT> at the bottom it says| ^class="t |whats does these means?
[02:09] <iLLf8d> Fl-i-nT: sounds like its pissed
[02:10] <Fl-i-nT> iLLf8d, what do you mean?
[02:10] <oclv> bah! i'll assume: apt-get install xmms         is usually all that's needed _just_ to start xmms ?
[02:10] <snk00sj> checking for libz...configure: error: not found / Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[02:10] <snk00sj> anyone ?
[02:11] <crimsun> snk00sj: you need zlib1g-dev
[02:11] <snk00sj> tnx lemme try that
[02:13] <Bandit> Crimsun do you know anyone that can fix this problem.......>>>>>Lhlqokbn Free Porn videos in children! Do you want see? Then click here =>  http://actiongirls.tr.cx
[02:13] <snk00sj> ok i got on further again :)
[02:13] <apokryphos> oclv: I don't recall, because I installed amaroK, but I think you might need the extra mp3 support pack
[02:13] <oclv> apokryphos: just to start xmms ?
[02:13] <crimsun> Bandit: huh?
[02:13] <apokryphos> oclv: oh, nope.
[02:14] <iLLf8d> apokryphos: uhm debs should suck all that stuff down shouldn't they? (does ubuntu change that?)
[02:14] <Bandit> crimsun do you know a channel op or better to renove that guy
[02:14] <crimsun> Bandit: what guy?
[02:14] <apokryphos> iLLf8d: suck what?
[02:14] <motuline> Kind of weird.. My fglrx drivers work only if Identifier is Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SG86C202 instead of ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)
[02:14] <crimsun> Bandit: ask in #freenode
[02:14] <Bandit> ok thanks'
[02:15] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, ThEse guy Lhlqokbn has quit ()
[02:15] <mirak> I have a problem with my mp3 walkman with UMS. when I mount it once it's ok, I can read write on it, but if I unmount and mount it again I can't write after some time
[02:15] <Bandit> Lhlqokbn has quit ()
[02:15] <iLLf8d> apokryphos: I mean installing a package should  suck down its needed dependencies
[02:15] <Bandit> yep
[02:15] <CarlK_> what is the command that will run something every X seconds?
[02:15] <mirak> or not at all. For exemple here, I was able to write 3 files then nautilus says it's only read write
[02:15] <CarlK_> not cron, but someting like sleep, wait...
[02:15] <oclv> CarlK_: you want a cron tab/
[02:15] <Fl-i-nT> Bandit go to #freenode and tell them to block him
[02:15] <oclv> oh, nm
[02:16] <apokryphos> iLLf8d: if it can, of course, yes.
[02:16] <CarlK_> oclv - watch!  thats it
[02:16] <crimsun> CarlK_: watch
[02:16] <CarlK_> right - thanks
[02:16] <Bandit> Fl-i-nT yep i understood crimsun
[02:17] <crimsun> uh oh, an Asheviller?
[02:17] <crimsun> hmm
[02:20] <mirak> nautilus says I don't have the rights, but the permissions are good
[02:20] <oclv> bah
[02:20] <henna> is there a way to get rid of all the X packages in ubuntu?
[02:21] <snk00sj> install it with server mode in the beginning i guess ?
[02:21] <henna> never even saw that option
[02:21] <kent> snk00sj, did you solve the problem with only root being able to read your ntfs?
[02:21] <daniels> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg- xserver-xfree86- libxau6- libx11-6-
[02:21] <crimsun> ^ henna, except remove instead of install
[02:22] <henna> aha
[02:22] <Fl-i-nT> Ok i got xmms from Sunaptic now do i have to install it or anything like that?
[02:22] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: it's already installed if you got it via Synaptic
[02:22] <Bandit> Fl-i-nT synaptic installs it for you
[02:23] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, i cant find it in multimedia ill try summoning it
[02:23] <Fl-i-nT> aha worked now to locate it
[02:24] <Bandit> Fl-i-nT logging out and then back out should put it in your menu
[02:24] <Fl-i-nT> Bandit, thankx ill try that
[02:24] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: no need
[02:24] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: just ,,pkill gnome-panel''
[02:24] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: it will restart, and you'll see it
[02:24] <crimsun> (unless you're using kde?)
[02:25] <caffinated> they should add a refresh button for the menu.  nobody this desktop is truly aimed at is going to know to do that ;)
[02:25] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, ok i am abit uneducated on linux what do i do with this ,,pkill gnome-panel'' <--- is that to put in a terminal?
[02:25] <crimsun> caffinated: that's because it's automatic
[02:25] <crimsun> caffinated: the menu entries are reread automatically
[02:25] <caffinated> crimsun: i've had it not work a whole lot of time
[02:26] <crimsun> caffinated: did you file a bug? :)
[02:26] <caffinated> crimsun: it's possible i suppose.  if i can recreate the conditions i'll let you know
[02:26] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, yey it worked thanks
[02:27] <membreya> hey everybody
[02:27] <crimsun> Fl-i-nT: np
[02:27] <Albacker> where can I get the ubuntu-install Cd ?
[02:28] <Spooks> From about 8 inches away from my left hand
[02:28] <membreya> hehe Spooks
[02:28] <madel> hi there...
[02:28] <Fl-i-nT> crimsun, do you know of a problem with firefox where red writing at the bottom of it appears saying class="t ???
[02:28] <Albacker> where can I download that ?
[02:29] <madel> I installed hoary, but it does not have a loading imange like the liveCD.....  how can I fix that?
[02:29] <apokryphos> Albacker: /topic
[02:31] <Spooks> Ooh cool
[02:32] <Spooks> I might donate my other 9 Ubuntu CDs to freelinuxcd.org
[02:32] <Spooks> SHARE THE WEALTH!
[02:33] <caffinated> whelp, time to reboot and see if this old kernel explodes in my face :D
[02:33] <madel> I installed hoary, but it does not have a loading imange like the liveCD.....  how can I fix that?
[02:33] <kosmos> thats not trivial
[02:34] <kosmos> maybe the splash become standart in the release version
[02:34] <madel> kosmos, thanks
[02:34] <El_Niko> hi, does anybody know how to chnage the resolution of gdm?
[02:35] <bob2> madel: you don't need to keep asking the same thing over and over
[02:35] <kosmos> but you can, searchfunction in the official forum helps
[02:35] <walski> bob2, back to work are you?
[02:35] <walski> ;)
[02:36] <bob2> hah
[02:36] <nic__> I should have reinstalled hoary directly. I waste 10 hours on warty for nothing :p So I reinstalled hoary and everything is working fine, rhythmbox and muine included
[02:36] <bob2> #ubuntu is highly not related to work
[02:36] <madel> other question, I cannot set my printer... in system->administration->printers, I want to set my printer, but it only shows me USB ports, not the paralel ports, how can I configure that?
[02:36] <kosmos> Spooks, your're not alone out there :p
[02:36] <bob2> nic__: please do file bugs
[02:36] <nic__> bu this reminds me a bit windows. when everything is borken, reinstall and it'll be fine
[02:36] <bob2> except it's completely unlike windows
[02:36] <nic__> bob2, what do you mean? file bugs for what?
[02:36] <Spooks> I bet I'm not
[02:36] <zenwhen> yes
[02:36] <bob2> in that it's actually fixable
[02:36] <zenwhen> in every way
[02:37] <bob2> yes, troll me harder, zenwhen
[02:37] <nic__> bob2, yes the difference is that ubuntu was a quite fresh install, only one week old
[02:37] <walski> mmmm grrr cdrecord :|
[02:37] <zenwhen> huh
[02:37] <bob2> nic__: something being broken = bug
[02:37] <nic__> bob2, I just said it wasnt anymore
[02:37] <walski> makes baby jesus cry
[02:37] <bob2> nic__: if things broken during the upgrade, they need to be fixed.
[02:38] <apokryphos> nic__: it's really not like that in Linux. Upgrades are perfectly fine; I do them once/twice a week.
[02:38] <Fl-i-nT> is there any eyecandy channels on this server?
[02:38] <nic__> bob2, I've the same install as before
[02:38] <zenwhen> #KDE
[02:38] <bob2> nic__: except something broke before
[02:38] <zenwhen> I think he means flashy X stuff
[02:38] <bob2> nic__: upgrades should be flawless, anything less is a bug
[02:39] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: general icandy?
[02:39] <nic__> bob2, I dont think they fixed my troubles during the last night
[02:39] <bob2> nic__: lord
[02:39] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: not really; you should be able to discuss that sort of stuff in your desktop-environment channel
[02:39] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, yeah
[02:39] <bob2> nic__: if something didn't work during the upgrade, it's a bug in the upgrade
[02:39] <bob2> nic__: please report it so it can be fixed
[02:40] <nic__> bob2, which upgrade are you talking about?
[02:40] <Spooks> ARGH! Die ESS, die die DIE!
[02:40] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, which one is the  one for gnome?
[02:40] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: #gnome
[02:40] <Fl-i-nT> thought so
[02:40] <nic__> bob2, maybe I wasnt clear
[02:40] <zenwhen> http://gnome-look.org has a lot of stuff like that
[02:40] <nic__> bob2, what did u understand?
[02:41] <bob2> nevermind
[02:41] <bob2> don't file bugs
[02:41] <bob2> I'm sure whatever problem you had will be magically fixed by the bug fairies
[02:41] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: though, irc.gimp.org #gnome is more active, IIRC.
[02:41] <zenwhen> :)
[02:41] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, thankx
[02:42] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, hi i've found out how to activate console-completion in a normal debian version... but sowehow it does not work with ubuntu...
[02:42] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: link?
[02:42] <_BIJ_> http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7026&highlight=auto+completion
[02:43] <_BIJ_> but it's in german...
[02:43] <apokryphos> heh
[02:43] <_BIJ_> you can't understand what is written there?
[02:44] <nic__> bob2, as you just saw, I cant explain clear enough to file bug reports. And anyway these bugs were very strange. I did a reinstall, I know have exactly the same setup as before (same version of the bugged programs) but now it works.
[02:44] <tck> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ wtf ??
[02:44] <nic__> s/know/now
[02:44] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: nah, but it's fun to look at anyhow. ;)
[02:44] <membreya> tck: omg
[02:45] <Ribs> tck: mplayer's homepage has a similar coverpage
[02:45] <apokryphos> woah
[02:46] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, you understood what to do?
[02:46] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: nope
[02:47] <madel> Why can' t I find the /dev/lp*  files?
[02:47] <_BIJ_> they say that you have to change 2 config files.... one in the etc and the other in the useres home directory...
[02:47] <tck> where are they openssl libraries kept
[02:47] <madstop> Good morning all.  Here's the weirdest bug I've seen so far, but it's kind of cool:
[02:47] <o`Biks> hi. i ha ve a probleme with vsftpd : run two copies of vsftpd for IPv4 and IPv6
[02:47] <tck> anytime i try to compile and need openssl, it never finds them
[02:48] <madstop> I'm on kubuntu now, but I was running gnome this morning, and
[02:48] <ruff> hi
[02:48] <ruff> i got the root password sort
[02:48] <nic__> Ribs, tck wtf is that?
[02:48] <ruff> i do su, and login as root
[02:48] <madstop> now, in kubuntu, xchat is showing my gnome svg wallpaper with transparency, instead of kde desktop
[02:48] <ruff> but if i go to systems, and try to change come configureation
[02:48] <apokryphos> ruff: you should ideally just us sudo
[02:48] <ruff> it askes for password
[02:48] <ruff> it's from the menu though
[02:48] <ruff> like the start menu
[02:49] <ruff> and it askes for password
[02:49] <ruff> i enter it
[02:49] <madstop> I like it, but it's weird.  Anybody know how that may have happened?
[02:49] <ruff> but it fails
[02:49] <ruff> ?
[02:49] <ruff> i don't get it
[02:49] <ruff> i already setup the root password
[02:49] <Fl-i-nT> ruff that is normal its the same password as your root one
[02:49] <zubunt> Hello. I need help with ubuntu and accessing my printer, that is connected to a debian pc.
[02:49] <apokryphos> ruff: you perhaps need to use your user password. Please don't flood the channel. :)
[02:49] <ruff> oh ok
[02:50] <apokryphos> ruff: the whole idea of sudo is to *not* have to use su -- a separate root account.
[02:50] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, i got it... it works...
[02:50] <mijndert> Hi. I now run the Ubuntu Live CD. I am really happy with it, and I want to install it. Should I wait to the final release next month or can I install the preview and upgrade later oid?
[02:50] <ruff> yea but i am just used to the other systems
[02:50] <zubunt> Is there any documentation about the ubuntu printing system?
[02:50] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: am jealous ;)
[02:50] <jdub> mijndert: you can install the preview and upgrade
[02:50] <ruff> apokryphos: the userpassword worked. But it's strange how it askes for root password
[02:50] <Rattboi> zubunt: it's CUPS
[02:50] <Fl-i-nT> ruff what to mandrake that is?
[02:51] <apokryphos> ruff: yeah, don't worry, that's still on the TODO.
[02:51] <mijndert> jdub: are there any risks to that?
[02:51] <jdub> mijndert: no
[02:51] <gambit> hey all. where can i get a midnight commander for ubuntu?
[02:51] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, haha :) make a copy of the bash.bashrc in the /etc folder
[02:51] <mijndert> Ok, thank you very much :)
[02:51] <Rattboi> gambit: sudo apt-get install mc
[02:51] <jdub> gambit: mc is in universe
[02:51] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: done
[02:52] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, ok now delete the old bash.bashrc
[02:52] <apokryphos> alright
[02:52] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, enter "touch bash.bashrc"
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> mc  - is so handy :P
[02:52] <ruff> apokryphos: no i been using, red hat, fedora, slackware, libranet...and ubuntu. I am still pretty new though
[02:52] <zubunt> Rattboi: But how thos the gnomeprinting stuff work. I cannnot access my printer with this tools, and I don't want to do the configuration of cups with emacs. IMHO this is not the appropiate way in ubuntu, there must be a more userfriendly way.
[02:52] <_BIJ_> and then insert into it the following lines:
[02:52] <_BIJ_> # System-wide .bashrc file for interactive bash(1) shells.
[02:52] <_BIJ_> shopt -s checkwinsize
[02:52] <_BIJ_> # enable bash completion in interactive shells
[02:52] <_BIJ_> if [ "$PS1" -a -f /etc/bash_completion ] ; then
[02:52] <_BIJ_> . /etc/bash_completion
[02:52] <_BIJ_> fi
[02:52] <apokryphos> ruff: no?
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> i thought the "gnome printing gui" tool - was just another frontend for the CUPS printing.
[02:53] <ruff> apokryphos: It's all good. Thanks for the help
[02:53] <vaijr2002> hi everyone
[02:53] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, then you got to exit the console and log in again... on my computer it works...
[02:53] <vaijr2002> i had a link to another wiki page for ubunto but cant find it
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> and cups commands were replacements for the system common printing commands.. so just the standard print features of emacs should work as well.
[02:53] <vaijr2002> it had everything on it.... like how to mount hd's and stuff
[02:53] <vaijr2002> can anyone help
[02:53] <vaijr2002> hi Willis
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> Hay vaijr2002
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> :P
[02:54] <vaijr2002> was a white page
[02:54] <ruff> vaijr2002: www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:54] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: sweet! That did it. :)
[02:54] <vaijr2002> thanks ruff thats it
[02:54] <_BIJ_> good :)
[02:54] <ruff> vaijr2002: no worries
[02:55] <vaijr2002> now all i need to do is figure out mysql
[02:55] <vaijr2002> gah i am soo lost there
[02:55] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: this should seriously be implemented; might suggest it.
[02:55] <vaijr2002> i need to setup admin acct and get it to work with this program i am installing
[02:55] <madel> what players can I install from the ubuntu oficial?  totem does not play my XviD movie
[02:55] <_BIJ_> yes in my opinion this should be changed
[02:55] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, where can i post this proposal?
[02:55] <crimsun> madel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:56] <nic__> madel, I think you can't read anything
[02:56] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: I recommend suggesting it on #ubuntu-devel
[02:56] <_BIJ_> oki i'll try now...
[02:56] <ruff> Ah i forgot to ask the main question
[02:56] <ol4l> is it possible to get the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy fortunes in ubuntu? i cant find anything
[02:56] <jono> hi all
[02:57] <vaijr2002> hi jono
[02:57] <ruff> Isn't Ubuntu 5.04 suppose to have KDE as default?
[02:57] <jono> heya vaijr2002 :)
[02:57] <bob2> ruff: er, no
[02:57] <jono> rubenv, kubuntu will
[02:57] <claint> maybe kubuntu
[02:57] <bob2> ol4l: excerpts from HHGTTG would not be distributable
[02:57] <apokryphos> ruff: kubuntu hoary 5.04 does
[02:57] <Rattboi> anyone, does kubuntu have KDE + Gnome?
[02:57] <membreya> ruff: only kubuntu
[02:57] <Rattboi> or just KDE?
[02:57] <membreya> damnit apokryphos
[02:57] <ruff> hmmm...must have downloaded the wrong iso
[02:57] <claint> just installed ubuntu, testing it out now.
[02:57] <vaijr2002> yes Rattboi
[02:58] <jdub> Rattboi: both, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde as the default
[02:58] <Rattboi> ah
[02:58] <jdub> Rattboi: different install and livecds
[02:58] <vaijr2002> both just gotta install kde
[02:58] <apokryphos> Rattboi: it comes with only kde on the ISO, but Gnome is easily installable.
[02:58] <vaijr2002> ok gonna go read some man pages cya all later, take care
[02:58] <vaijr2002> bbl
[02:58] <ol4l> bob2: what?
[02:58] <claint> is the nvidia deal done the regular way? getting the drivers from nvidia.com and installing them?
[02:59] <bob2> claint: please read the FAQ
[02:59] <jdub> claint: no, see the wiki. ubuntu provides the nvidia drivers.
[02:59] <apokryphos> claint: easier. :)
[02:59] <bob2> claint: or wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:59] <claint> ok, thanks a bunch.
[02:59] <ruff> Ubuntu should really allow package selection during installation
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> nvidia is easy to get going under ubuntu - then about any other disrto ive tried. :P
[02:59] <bob2> ruff: why?
[02:59] <membreya> ruff: the cd is full enough :P
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> ruff,  that has its pros and cons also.
[02:59] <caffinated> woo!  got my wlan working.  in case anyone is having a similar problem, it's a problem with hoary's kernel.  i went back to 2.6.8.1-3-386 and it's all good now :D
[02:59] <membreya> i SUPPOSE they could include it on the DVD
[02:59] <madel> my xchat crashed
[03:00] <ruff> heh, but then you can choose what to install
[03:00] <caffinated> madel: sounds like you need irssi ;)
[03:00] <jdub> ruff: we specifically chose not to -> you have a much better package mangement gui once the system is installed than you could during install
[03:00] <madel> what was the link someone paste to see xvid in my ubuntu?
[03:00] <madel> caffinated, what is irssi?
[03:00] <crimsun> madel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <membreya> irssi = chat client madel
[03:00] <madstop> anybody who's got both gnome and kubuntu seen phenomenon?  in kubuntu, xchat is showing my gnome svg wallpaper as a background, instead of my current desktop image with transparency
[03:00] <caffinated> madel: a text-mode irc client.  very nice, or at least, i think so.
[03:01] <apokryphos> Madkiss: command-line based
[03:01] <apokryphos> madstop: odd; it's fine here...
[03:01] <madstop> I like it, actually.  Just wondering what other surprises may be in store for me.
[03:02] <apokryphos> heh
[03:02] <Riddell> madstop: sounds like a problem with the transparency in xchat, it's using the gnome background not whatever the X background is
[03:02] <caffinated> hm, think it's time to lock this kernel version in the package manager until this goes stable.  that took waaay too much time to troubleshoot
[03:02] <mijndert> I have had problems with Ubuntu 4.10 with my ATi 9200SE (NO SCREENS FOUND). Will this be solved by now?
[03:02] <membreya> madstop: just use konversation :P
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> well xchat is a gtk app . so its proberly reading the wallpaper set with the gtk type tools - make sence to me.
[03:03] <claint> which package sources address do i need to activate for the nvidia drivers?
[03:03] <membreya> mijndert: ati + linux = sucky
[03:03] <apokryphos> claint: did you check the suggested links?
[03:03] <claint> i guess i should just read apt-get. i am at the wiki right now.
[03:03] <JDigital> hehe, 404 users
[03:03] <mijndert> membreya, I know. But works fine on Fedora now :) On Ubuntu 4.10 it just said NO SCREENS FOUND.. did not start X at all
[03:04] <JDigital> users not found
[03:04] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell claint ubutweaking
[03:04] <Pyre> claint: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:05] <membreya> Pyre: tell apokryphos to stop being lazy
[03:05] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to stop being lazy' apokryphos
[03:05] <claint> that's a good link, thanks.
[03:05] <madstop> ah, thank you Riddell.  and membreya...  This reminds me, within kubuntu, could I use nautilus to draw the desktop, so I could get those resizable icons (good for picture files) and the icons showing plain text previews (better than sticky notes! ;-)
[03:05] <apokryphos> ;)
[03:05] <Bandit> mijndert you may have to try out hoary to see if it will work
[03:05] <dashnu> why are the how-tos on a ssl connect :p
[03:05] <JDigital> Hey, does anyone know how to run Quake on Linux? I have like an actual original copy of the game and all.
[03:05] <madstop> (heh, what I'm really hoping for is knome...)
[03:05] <dashnu> i have jake running a java implementation of quake
[03:06] <dashnu> hammers
[03:06] <membreya> mijndert: why don't you try the hoary livecd?
[03:06] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> lol
[03:06] <membreya> java...quake? :|
[03:06] <mijndert> membreya, I am running it now..
[03:06] <dashnu> membreya, i was bored
[03:06] <mijndert> membreya, but I am not sure if it works when I install it
[03:06] <membreya> mijndert: is it working now ?
[03:07] <mijndert> membreya, It is :) good resolution
[03:07] <membreya> mijndert: then install hoary :)
[03:07] <gub> re
[03:07] <mijndert> membreya, OK thanks for the information :)
[03:07] <mijndert> Gonna backup my home dir, and then install it
[03:08] <mijndert> Bye, thanks!
[03:08] <membreya> Pyre: tell apokaway to come back
[03:08] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to come back' apokaway
[03:09] <dashnu> when is xcompmgr and transset gonna hit ubuntu ?
[03:09] <dashnu> any one heard?
[03:09] <apokaway> dashnu: it already has
[03:09] <vaijr2002> need some quick help
[03:10] <vaijr2002> why when i try to mount a partition does it say mount point doesnt exhist
[03:10] <vaijr2002> when i did it
[03:10] <dashnu> were is it ?
[03:10] <membreya> vaijr2002: created the mount point? :)
[03:10] <vaijr2002> i did sudo mount /media/windows2
[03:10] <Dr_Willis>  - you did make the 'directory; you are mounting to?  in this case /media/windows2
[03:10] <madel> I installed avifile-xvid-plugin and I still cant't play xvid movies with totem, anyone has done this?
[03:10] <vaijr2002> then did sudo mount /dev/hdd1 media/windows2 -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[03:11] <sandwitch> forgot a "/" for media ?
[03:11] <vaijr2002> oh thats it lol
[03:11] <vaijr2002> thanks
[03:11] <vaijr2002> der stupid me
[03:11] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:11] <membreya> :| lol vaijr2002
[03:12] <caffinated> dashnu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 try that
[03:12] <caffinated> i just got through doing it myself about 45 minutes ago.  works good.
[03:12] <dashnu> thx man
[03:12] <vaijr2002> thanks membreya
[03:13] <vaijr2002> mysql is next victim lol
[03:13] <membreya> enjoy that one vaijr2002 :P
[03:13] <New2ubuntu> hello
[03:13] <zenwhen> hey
[03:13] <ruff> bye
[03:13] <dashnu> E: Couldn't find package xcompmgr
[03:13] <zenwhen> you aren;t... new t ubuntu are you
[03:13] <zenwhen> ;)
[03:13] <New2ubuntu> Can anyone help me install a "java Runtime Environment" Limewire requires it and I can't find it in Apt :(
[03:14] <membreya> New2ubuntu: www.blackdown.org
[03:14] <dashnu> nm
[03:14] <munki> Anybody got any experience with ekstern harddrives, in ubuntu (gnome) ?
[03:14] <libpng> New2ubuntu, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:14] <zenwhen> munki, they have just automounted for me
[03:14] <membreya> Pyre: tell New2ubuntu java
[03:14] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'java' New2ubuntu
[03:14] <membreya> dang!
[03:14] <membreya> stupid bot
[03:14] <munki> It should puff up on the desktop, but it doesn't allways do.. It is mounted and all of that, but not on the desktop
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> munki,  you mean external usb hard drives?
[03:15] <New2ubuntu> thanks
[03:15] <Madkiss> apokaway: What?`
[03:15] <munki> Dr_Willis , yup
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> munki, was it mounted befor you started up X/logged in?
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> munki,  i think thers some gnome service or simthing that handles that. if you sort of outsmart it. :P it can get confused.
[03:16] <libpng> Pyre, tell libpng jre
[03:17] <munki> Dr_Willis , ya.. it's kinda crappy..
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> munki,  i tend to just disable it :P
[03:17] <munki> Dr_Willis , I just turn it off, and then turn it on
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> it shoul still be in the 'drives' or whatever location i think
[03:18] <Rocha> Hello, i'm using ubuntu warty and i'm having some trouble with LaTeX
[03:18] <munki> it is in : /media/usbdisk
[03:18] <munki> but not on the desktop :S
[03:18] <Rocha> Warning: pdflatex (file cmr10.pfb): cannot open Type 1 font file for reading
[03:18] <munki> and.. I wan't it on the desktop ! :P
[03:18] <Rocha> I can't find this font
[03:18] <Spooks> Don't wear latex... the fashion police will get you
[03:18] <Rocha> Do you know what package do I need to install?
[03:18] <Rocha> "It can't find..."
[03:18] <vaijr2002> my xmms locked up . how do i kill it?
[03:18] <Spooks> pkill
[03:19] <vaijr2002> so is it pkill xmms?
[03:19] <Spooks> I should imagine so
[03:19] <Rocha> spooks: latex is s text processor
[03:19] <Spooks> I know :p
[03:19] <scizzo> Rocha: Type 1
[03:19] <vaijr2002> thanks spooks you rock
[03:19] <Spooks> Check me out
[03:19] <Rocha> Spooks, :)
[03:20] <Spooks> Giving advice after only 3 days of linux usage
[03:20] <nasdaq7> latex is what my girlfriend wears
[03:20] <Spooks> Respect!
[03:20] <ice_1963> lol
[03:20] <scizzo> Rocha: that should be some sort of standard font if I am not wrong
[03:20] <speel> ok there ali g lol
[03:20] <scizzo> Rocha: do you have the xfonts packages installed ?
[03:20] <nasdaq7> she is a dominatrix
[03:21] <scizzo> Rocha: dpkg -l |grep xfonts
[03:21] <Myrtti> goddammit
[03:21] <Rocha> scizzo, let me check
[03:22] <membreya> no updates today...hmmm weird :|
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-100dpi  4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 100 dpi fonts for X
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-75dpi   4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 75 dpi fonts for X
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-base    4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 standard fonts for X
[03:22] <Rocha> ii  xfonts-scalabl 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 scalable fonts for X
[03:22] <vaijr2002> crappers my xmms locks up every time i try to play an mp3
[03:22] <Rocha> scizzo, am i missing some?
[03:22] <Myrtti> vaijr2002: try to launch it from terminal
[03:22] <vaijr2002> hey is mplayer hard to config for ubuntu?
[03:23] <Fackamato> config?
[03:23] <Fackamato> you don't need to compile it
[03:23] <vaijr2002> setup
[03:23] <Myrtti> you prolly need libmik to get it working
[03:23] <Myrtti> or nevermind me
[03:23] <bob2> vaijr2002: are you using the nvidia binary-only drivers?
[03:23] <vaijr2002> if its a tar.gz dont it need compiling?
[03:23] <caffinated> vaijr2002: i normally go with xine, but either xine or mplayer should be ready to go out of the box
[03:23] <vaijr2002> dont know bob
[03:24] <vaijr2002> oh ok caffinated
[03:24] <Rocha> scizzo, if i copy all deb files from apt-get cache from a friend of mine, can i install them with synaptic?
[03:24] <bob2> yes, you do
[03:24] <vaijr2002> i have an ati vid card bob
[03:24] <edulix> I've installed one package via alien. how to uninstall/remove it ?
[03:24] <vaijr2002> soundblaster audigy sound card
[03:24] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem drivers are installed?
[03:24] <Rocha> scizzo, adding a cdrom to the repositories for example?
[03:25] <membreya> Rocha: just copy the backup .deb files and then from a terminal do a sudo dpkg -a *.deb
[03:25] <vaijr2002> so if i dl the tar.gz of mplayer i have to compile it?
[03:25] <Rocha> membreya, that's cool :)
[03:25] <membreya> Rocha: the .deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:26] <Rocha> membreya, i have a 56k connection, and downloading some files take ages
[03:26] <membreya> :)
[03:26] <nasdaq7> that is maddening eh rocha?
[03:26] <vaijr2002> anyone a mysql god?
[03:26] <Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem drivers are installed?
[03:26] <vaijr2002> i need to setup a database, and admin acct
[03:26] <jdub> Hayden: is it a serial modem?
[03:26] <Hayden> i'm on a laptop
[03:27] <Hayden> it is built in
[03:27] <jdub> ok, that means it's not a serial modem
[03:27] <jdub> you need to find out what it is
[03:27] <bob2> vaijr2002: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, no need to compile mplayer
[03:27] <vaijr2002> oh ok
[03:27] <bob2> vaijr2002: it comes with an admin account for free
[03:28] <vaijr2002> i thought that everything thats tar.gz had to be compiled, and rpms were precompiled
[03:28] <bob2> Hayden: did you install?  if not, then no.
[03:28] <New2ubuntu> is there a Java RE in Deb format?
[03:28] <Rocha> membreya, i know that :)
[03:28] <vaijr2002> you mean mysql bob for the admin acct?
[03:28] <ice_1963> xine is better
[03:28] <membreya> New2ubuntu: not AFAIK
[03:28] <bob2> vaijr2002: indeed
[03:28] <membreya> Rocha: ..know what? :|
[03:28] <Rocha> nasdaq7, at college i have a very high speed connection
[03:28] <Hayden> jdub, apparently it is a conexant softk56
[03:28] <Spooks> rpms are for use with java, yay or nay?
[03:28] <Rocha> nasdaq7, i'm not used to 56k
[03:28] <vaijr2002> ok but where is the configure file for mysql where you can change stuffs in it?
[03:29] <bob2> vaijr2002: /etc/mysql/
[03:29] <nasdaq7> its crazy
[03:29] <bob2> surprisingly
[03:29] <nasdaq7> its hell
[03:29] <vaijr2002> ok
[03:29] <membreya> lol bob2 :P
[03:29] <vaijr2002> can i change stuff in there like admin pw and stuffs
[03:29] <bob2> vaijr2002: why don't you just look?
[03:30] <vaijr2002> this is what i am doing .... i am installing verlihub its a p2p hub/chat i have to setup mysql and make a database for the program
[03:30] <Rocha> membreya, that the cache is in that directory
[03:30] <membreya> oh ok Rocha :) you never know what people do and don't know :)
[03:30] <vaijr2002> sorry bob kinda a newbie to linux. thought there was a command to open the file and edit it
[03:30] <membreya> vaijr2002: there is ...nano :)
[03:30] <vaijr2002> okies
[03:30] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:31] <membreya> mornin daniels_ :)
[03:31] <vaijr2002> is the file in mysql called my.cnf?
[03:31] <bob2> vaijr2002: yes
[03:31] <vaijr2002> thanks
[03:31] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:31] <membreya> vaijr2002: ...at this point I have to say.. /join #mysql
[03:32] <vaijr2002> ~/.my.cnf
[03:32] <vaijr2002> where is that dir?
[03:32] <vaijr2002> lol membreya
[03:32] <vaijr2002> whats the -/ mean?
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> ~/
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> is shortcut for your home dir.
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> ie /home/username
[03:33] <vaijr2002> ok thanks willis
[03:33] <ice_1963> lol
[03:33] <vaijr2002> brb config'ing
[03:33] <Rocha> scizzo, i have installed "freetype1-tools" and "type1inst" but i still don't get the font
[03:34] <ice_1963> lol
[03:35] <henla464> I did a apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary recently, now I try to do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop but I get message about broken dependencies. I am using amd64. Anyone know if this should work?
[03:36] <Hayden> what does apt-get install ubuntu-desktop do?
[03:36] <New2ubuntu> I hate Java
[03:36] <Spooks> Likewise
[03:36] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, why?
[03:36] <New2ubuntu> I hate that so many programs require such a worthless poorly integrated piece of technology
[03:37] <membreya> JRE is easy New2ubuntu
[03:37] <dashnu> lol New2ubuntu
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> Synaptic wont install the bastard
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> it keeps saying it needs other files
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> so I look up all of the deb repositories
[03:37] <henla464> hayden: they recommended doing that on some page.. wait and I will try to find it
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> that are remotely linked to java
[03:37] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, java can't be redistributed
[03:37] <dashnu> funny my company makes lots of money on such a " worthless poorly integrated piece of technology"
[03:37] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, you must download it from java.sun.com
[03:37] <New2ubuntu> ok
[03:38] <csj> hello, I am trying to customize the Ubuntu hoary livecd and I remove the original filesystem.cloop, and I use debootstrap to build a new ubuntu in /mnt/ubuntu, and now I want to compress /mnt/ubuntu  become  filesystem.cloop,  I use mkisofs -iso-level 4 -R -U -hide-rr-moved -cache-inodes -no-bak -pad /mnt/ubuntu | nice -5 create_compressed_fs - 65536 > filesystem.cloop
[03:38] <thenuke> http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/index.html
[03:38] <membreya> Rocha: you can also get another version called blackdown
[03:38] <thenuke> ubuntu needs to have that protocol
[03:38] <csj> is that a correct way?
[03:38] <Rocha> membreya, blackdown doesn't support java 5
[03:38] <membreya> java 5 schmava 5
[03:38] <henla464> hayden: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=ubuntu-desktop%20hoary
[03:38] <Rocha> java 5 kicks java 2 (1.4) ass :P
[03:38] <New2ubuntu> Microsoft does it all the time
[03:39] <_d4vid> ky all
[03:39] <membreya> New2ubuntu: you might notice that microsoft had to remove it's java virtual machine Spooks :)
[03:39] <New2ubuntu> not that
[03:39] <djp> any users of dar here?
[03:39] <New2ubuntu> it makes money on a worhtless poorly integrated piece of technology
[03:39] <Rocha> can anyone tell me with package as the file cmr10.pfb ?
[03:39] <jalal_ubuntu> anyone have a package to install mplayer in ubuntu ? plz
[03:39] <Rocha> java is a very good language
[03:40] <Rocha> very very good
[03:40] <Rocha> (but C# is better)
[03:40] <membreya> jalal_ubuntu: only amd64.soz :(
[03:40] <New2ubuntu> well I am downloading Java from Suns website
[03:40] <jalal_ubuntu> membreya, where di yu get it ?
[03:40] <New2ubuntu> it smells of fish guts
[03:40] <Rocha> New2ubuntu, www.ubuntuguide.org (follow the instructions in this website when installing java)
[03:40] <membreya> jalal_ubuntu: you running amd64?
[03:40] <dashnu> any good beep-media-player ubuntu themes ?
[03:41] <jalal_ubuntu> membreya, no
[03:41] <membreya> jalal_ubuntu: then it's useless for you :P
[03:41] <Rocha> dashnu, beep is evil
[03:41] <dashnu> Rocha, heh i love it
[03:41] <Rocha> :)
[03:41] <[koji] > help i got no audio on my xine
[03:42] <dashnu> i hear a lot of people comparing this distro to gentoo were in gods name does that come from ?
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> no idea there. :P
[03:42] <membreya> dashnu: cos it's linux? :P
[03:42] <dashnu> na
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> ive use dthem both - and  they are radicially different design goals.
[03:42] <dashnu> indeed
[03:42] <membreya> gentoo takes too much configuring for my liking :|
[03:43] <dashnu> i run gentoo just tried ubuntu the other day i like it
[03:43] <dashnu> i feel a bit more 'free' in gentoo if that makes sense
[03:43] <New2ubuntu> ok the download file is corrupted
[03:43] <membreya> too many years of MS makes me want things that "work out of the box"
[03:43] <New2ubuntu> and I got it off Suns bloody website
[03:43] <dashnu> ya i was shocked to see my wireless card work out of the box
[03:44] <zenwhen> Mine did as well.
[03:44] <New2ubuntu> this is why I call it a worthless piece of techology, it can't even hold its integrity on the short trip from San Jose to Seattle
[03:44] <sandwitch> csj, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71814 or on the knoppix site
[03:44] <dashnu> but the kernel has about everthing compiled as a module so why not i guess
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> heh - with linux you are 'suprised when your hardwware works' :P
[03:44] <csj> sandwitch: ok, thank you, I go to read it :D
[03:44] <ice_1963> ms lol that's funny lol
[03:44] <zenwhen> It stopped surprising me a while back.
[03:44] <jalal_ubuntu> where ca  i get nero for ubuntu ?
[03:45] <zenwhen> I havent found much that isn;t supported that i need to or would want to use in my daily computing.
[03:45] <dashnu> jalal_ubuntu, you have to buy it i think
[03:45] <dashnu> dont waste your money
[03:45] <Rocha> can anyone tell me where can i find the latex font file cmr10.pfb ?
[03:45] <djp> jalal_ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[03:45] <membreya> only thing that annoys me is I can't get full 3d accelaration working without recompiling my kernel (damn agpgart)
[03:45] <jalal_ubuntu> cab i install a .rpm version ?
[03:45] <djp> anyone use dar here?
[03:45] <membreya> amd64 3200+ with a geforce 4000 and I only get 400 fps on glxgears
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  - hmm. i dident have to do that. :P
[03:46] <dashnu> i use the kernels agpgart with nvidia
[03:46] <SiRrUs> membreya good morning
[03:46] <dashnu> on ubuntu anyways
[03:46] <membreya> ello SiRrUs :)
[03:46] <tck> is array-7 = preview ?
[03:46] <tck> or a later version
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> jalal_ubuntu,  the nero homepage has that nero-linux download  i belive.. and it does require a  legal/bought version of the windows nero.
[03:46] <New2ubuntu> that settles it, on monday I am telling advising my mutual fund to dump Sun Microsystems
[03:46] <dashnu> 47379 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9475.800 FPS
[03:46] <caffinated> jalal_ubuntu: iirc, there is a package called 'alien' which will allow you to convert RPM to deb
[03:47] <membreya> dashnu: what hardware?
[03:47] <zerovertex> what is a graphical frontend for gphoto2?
[03:47] <dashnu> ha just crashed xcomp
[03:47] <caffinated> jalal_ubuntu: your milage may vary with that though - i'd use it with caution
[03:47] <zerovertex> nevermind
[03:47] <dashnu> xp3000 nvidia 6800 1 g ram
[03:47] <zerovertex> found it
[03:47] <csj> sandwitch: but is this morphix? I want to find a way to make filesystem.cloop for ubuntu livecd but not try Morphix.
[03:47] <membreya> damn you dashnu ...at least I beat you with cpu :P
[03:47] <membreya> dashnu: running highmem in your kernel ? :)
[03:48] <dashnu> ha i do get a bit better perfomance in gentoo
[03:48] <dashnu> not this one no
[03:48] <dashnu> :(
[03:48] <dashnu> i need to fix that
[03:48] <membreya> why not dashnu , you're limiting yourself to 890 mb :P
[03:48] <sandwitch> csj, it  s all about cloop doesnt mind
[03:48] <dashnu> i no I just installed.. the other day
[03:48] <csj> sandwitch: ok, I go ahead read, thank youG^
[03:49] <sandwitch> i thought the first ubuntu livecd was made by morphix
[03:49] <membreya> dashnu: then again, if we're to believe Bill Gates "no computer will ever need more than 640k memory"
[03:49] <dashnu> i tried one kernel the ubuntu way but i missed some stuff
[03:49] <dashnu> lol
[03:49] <dashnu> Bill Gates is a pimp :p
[03:49] <caffinated> membreya: that's an urban myth.  he never said that.
[03:49] <membreya> dashnu: but a rich pimp
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> caffinated,  and i bet that Al Gore never Invented the Internet either! :P
[03:50] <dashnu> true
[03:50] <caffinated> Dr_Willis: well, he didn't ;)
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> "Porn - the reason AL Gore Invented the Internet... for Bill CLinton"
[03:50] <dashnu> heh
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait. i forget  "people are not allowed to say anything mean about democrats, just those $&#&^@^^@ republibians"
[03:51] <madstop> folks, I installed xfce 4 (to use when I want a real fast log-in and less temptation to fiddle with stuff) and I was wondering --
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> :P
[03:51] <nasdaq7> there are millions of porn pics online - bill must have a field day
[03:51] <ice_1963> lol
[03:51] <caffinated> Dr_Willis: actually, you can say anything you want about either of them.  american politics isn't something i concern myself with too much
[03:52] <madstop> can I install some of the xfce4 themes in kde, and how do I do that?  I looked in the xfce4 folder, but find nothing marked for themes
[03:52] <dashnu> nor do I
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> caffinated,   Blasphmy! :P
[03:52] <caffinated> from where i sit, it doesn't matter which one you guys vote in, he's going to suck
[03:52] <madstop> or are they incompatible?  I'm finding kde a bit theme deprived
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> Madkiss,  xfce themes are totally diffrent from kde themes.
[03:52] <dashnu> i strongly belive I am one little person whos opinions dont mean shit
[03:52] <membreya> caffinated: voting is just a matter of choosing a different class of idiot
[03:53] <caffinated> membreya: heh, i think i agree with you there
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> madstop,  kde-look.org - has 100000's of themes :P
[03:53] <madstop> I was afraid of that Dr_Willis
[03:53] <ice_1963> ok
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> of course there may be a lot of default kde extras you can install with apt-get - that you just havent isntalled.
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> I tend to get a nice clean theme an just use that.
[03:54] <madstop> Thanks, I'll look around.  The iceWM themes are great too... ;-)
[03:54] <Myrtti> I feel like a newbie again
[03:54] <dashnu> i am sticking with the brown look
[03:54] <dashnu> i like it :P
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> yea - its neat how kde acn use the icewm themes in ways.. but it seems theres 2 kinds of themes... UGLY and 'useable' :P
[03:54] <membreya> dashnu: what about clearlooks?
[03:54] <Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there?
[03:54] <Myrtti> I want to rip my CD's to mp3s, I've looked and I've tried, but I can't get sound juicer to work, nor grip...
[03:54] <membreya> clearlooks + ubuntu calendar :D
[03:55] <stephank> The python2.4-psyco package (universe) seems to be broken? It only contains a doc directory.
[03:55] <dashnu> clearlooks ?
[03:55] <Brunellus> myrtti:  have you read the restricted-formats wikipage yet?
[03:55] <membreya> dashnu: theme..makes everything look nice (but don't believe it ..it's not clear :P)
[03:55] <dashnu> ah
[03:55] <Myrtti> Brunellus: ask how many times...
[03:55] <hayden> how do i run gdesklets as soon as i login
[03:55] <Myrtti> I've lost track
[03:56] <madstop> Dr_Willis, I like clean too, but I like roll-up buttons, and less crowded buttons generally.  And I'm too lazy to fiddle with the buttons on the installed themes myself... ;-)
[03:56] <Brunellus> Ok.  that's my first question, always.
[03:56] <dashnu> put it in you gnome session thingy
[03:56] <Brunellus> anyone in here running fluxbox
[03:56] <hayden> gnome session thingy?
[03:56] <madstop> (most of these themes are not touchpad user friendly)
[03:56] <Burgundavia> can anybody else reproduce this bug for me?
[03:56] <Montagh> im on windowmaker
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> madstop,  i belive ive seen a few themes that have extra configuration tab. that lets you easially check/add/remove buttons.
[03:56] <Burgundavia> go to : http://software.silicon.com/security/0,39024655,39128778,00.htm in firefox
[03:56] <dashnu> hayden, in the gnome menu is a thing called session
[03:56] <Burgundavia> tell me if you see backtics in the window title
[03:56] <hayden> yep i've found it
[03:56] <hayden> thanks
[03:56] <dashnu> in there is a startup tab
[03:57] <crimsun> stephank: sec, lemme look.
[03:57] <madstop> thx Dr_Willis
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> take care ya all.
[03:58] <Taraxacum> will i have problems with the install cd if i boot with it and got a wireless keyboard?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[03:58] <hayden> has anyone seen call for help 2.0 ?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Taraxacum,  no way to tell.. i doubt if there will be any problems.
[03:58] <membreya> ooo just realised, I have 50 invites to hand out in gmail :D
[03:58] <Taraxacum> so i'll just pray then ;)
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  lol...
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  i got my gmail account.. and am allready getting SPAM!
[03:58] <Jesterace> heh i have like 100 gmail invites :p
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> and no one has my address
[03:58] <Brunellus> I'm running fluxbox, but it's pretty bare;  I'd like to be able to configure the menus
[03:59] <membreya> Dr_Willis: I don't get spam in hotmail or gmail
[03:59] <Brunellus> but the fluxbox-generate_menu command doesn't work
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> its all 'message returned/bounced' sort of spam..
[03:59] <httpdss> does anyone know which is the chipset for the intellinet Wireless LAN PCI Card ??
[03:59] <Taraxacum> is the dhclient installed with the install cd?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> but gmail is now filtering them all to the spam folder..
[03:59] <Taraxacum> and lynx?
[03:59] <membreya> Dr_Willis: NOONE has your gmail ?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> Hotmail = 100+ spam a day
[03:59] <madstop> membreya, someone needs to invent something that lets everyone with 50 invites pool it all into one vast web storage space...
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  ive had the account for 2 days.. and havent used it.. and now im getting spam there. :P
[03:59] <membreya> hrm Dr_Willis :|
[04:00] <membreya> had my account for 2 weeks and no email except the test one I sent myself :(
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> membreya,  unless they are a random name generation spam attack.
[04:00] <dashnu> madstop, there is a site that does that
[04:00] <madstop> dashnu, really?
[04:00] <dashnu> yea i will try to find it
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> well bbl
[04:00] <tux> hello. I have a parallel printer and a LAN 192.168.2.0. How can I share my printer in the LAN with cups?
[04:00] <membreya> bed time for me ..up in 5 hours for work :)
[04:01] <madstop> I was joking... that's brilliant.
[04:01] <dashnu> http://www.freegmailinvites.com/
[04:01] <dashnu> one of many i think
[04:01] <madstop> google's probably not thrilled (or maybe they love it ;-)
[04:01] <Taraxacum> is the dhclient and lynx installed with the install cd?
[04:02] <madstop> hmm, dashnu, that's not exactly what I had in mind.  I meant somehow converting email storage to unrestricted storage.
[04:02] <stephank> Taraxacum: IIRC, lynx isn't, but it will try to connect using dhcp during the installation.
[04:02] <New2ubuntu> well Java is officially a pin in the ass to install, but thank god that task is over... May Sun Microsystems rot in its grave forever for not Open Sourcing Java so that decent installers could be written by the community
[04:02] <dashnu> xcompmgr is super buggy
[04:02] <dashnu> oh i see madstop
[04:03] <Taraxacum> yeah but without lynx i can't login to the isp
[04:03] <dashnu> yea that would be nice
[04:03] <Taraxacum> that's a part that sucks mostly
[04:03] <Taraxacum> don't the geeks think about that?
[04:03] <membreya> madstop: why would you need more than 1gb of gmailfs?
[04:03] <stephank> Taraxacum: well, that's an odd ISP.
[04:03] <Taraxacum> not really
[04:03] <Taraxacum> everyone has that in sweden
[04:04] <stephank> Taraxacum: either way, you should be able to install and get a desktop up. DHCP should connect you to your ISP and you can then just use firefox to login.
[04:04] <madstop> y'all are missing the point... I'm talking about gmail users with excess storage pooling it all together, to run free server storage or whatever.  It was just a joke, folks
[04:04] <Taraxacum> if i get xwindows to work yes
[04:05] <stephank> Taraxacum: It should Just Work. :)
[04:05] <membreya> madstop: i think that would piss google off severely :P
[04:05] <Taraxacum> that's why i like a backup with lynx to make sure it will make me able to connect
[04:05] <membreya> but yes I see your point :)
[04:05] <madstop> yep, membreya!
[04:05] <Myrtti> dammit dammit dammit
[04:05] <crimsun> stephank: there seems to be a packaging error (I've spotted at least one in debian/rules)
[04:06] <crimsun> stephank: rebuilding, will let you know what I make of it shortly
[04:06] <Fl-i-nT> does anyone know how to change the mouse theme in gconf-editor i cant find it the tree any help?
[04:06] <stephank> crimsun: okay, thanks. :)
[04:07] <SiRrUs> Myrtti whats broke today :)
[04:07] <membreya> SiRrUs: "linux - what would you like to break today"
[04:07] <dashnu> F|-i-nT, put you theme in ~/.icons/default
[04:07] <vetlebox> hi, I installed ubuntu today, and I looked for sshd, but couldn` t find it, I thought sshd was common on unix. So does that mean I have to install it? Or just active it or something ?
[04:07] <crimsun> vetlebox: openssh-server
[04:07] <dashnu> also you name does not Tab complete :( pain in the ass
[04:07] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:07] <vetlebox> ooooh
[04:08] <vetlebox> command not ofund ? :S
[04:08] <Myrtti> can't get sound juicer doing mp3s, nor grip -- my SO bought me yesterday a new pair of headphones to replace those he broke by stepping on them -- now I want to test them with my mp3-player, but I can't rip my Elton John CD's :-/
[04:08] <crimsun> vetlebox: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:08] <CarlK_> get a new SO ;)
[04:08] <membreya> vetlebox: ssh
[04:08] <membreya> if you want the client
[04:08] <vetlebox> I don` t have apt-config yet.
[04:08] <Myrtti> CarlK_: I think I'm too nerdy for most men
[04:09] <crimsun> vetlebox: why do you need apt-config?
[04:09] <vetlebox> membreya: I` m looking for the server.
[04:09] <Montagh> apt-get install SO
[04:09] <vetlebox> crimsun: Yes
[04:09] <Myrtti> if only it were that easy
[04:09] <crimsun> vetlebox: why do you need apt-config?
[04:09] <Myrtti> but really, I can't stop wondering what I should do to get that damn sound juicer to work
[04:09] <vetlebox> Because it aint any "sources" in mine that i can download from when im searching
[04:10] <vetlebox> Its no ftp`s/http`s added.
[04:10] <sandwitch> Myrtti, you have lame or another mp3 encoder installed ?
[04:10] <crimsun> vetlebox: did you install from the Internet during the Ubuntu install?
[04:10] <vetlebox> Yes I did
[04:10] <Myrtti> sandwitch: bien sur, of course I do
[04:10] <sandwitch> ok just checking :)
[04:11] <vetlebox> Where is the apt-config? So I can check
[04:11] <Myrtti> I wouldn't whine about problems here if I hadn't ;-)
[04:11] <Myrtti> but as I now run gnome-audio-profiles-properties, this goddammit thing has forgotten the mp3-thingy I just made
[04:11] <sandwitch> so what's not working the ripping part or the encoding part
[04:11] <crimsun> vetlebox: if you installed from the Internet, then sources.list is already configured
[04:12] <_BIJ_> what do i have to install in order to be able to play mp3s with totem?
[04:12] <crimsun> stephank: ping, see query please.
[04:12] <vetlebox> hmm, then it must have made a fail. Because I don`t have any sources, atleast thats what it tells me. (It cant find a anything)
[04:12] <vetlebox> where is the sources.list file? My Locate wont even work :P
[04:13] <zanaga> has anyone noticed a problem where syslog stops logging kernel messages?
[04:13] <vetlebox> sources could not open database..
[04:13] <stephank> Taraxacum: Well, there really doesn't seem to be a lynx or links package on the warty install cd. If the X server doesn't start up you could either hack it's configuration to use the VGA driver or download the lynx package now and somehow copy it over.
[04:13] <zanaga> for some reason it appears to happen on my server.
[04:13] <stephank> stephank: but most likely, it will Just Work. :)
[04:13] <sandwitch> should be in /etc/apt/sources.list vetlebox
[04:13] <dashnu> zanaga, i bet it has something to do with the logrotate
[04:14] <vetlebox> It can`t find slocate.db
[04:14] <hayden> where can i get some gcursor themes?
[04:14] <vetlebox> I guess the ubuntu install made a mistake or something.
[04:14] <Myrtti> uulalaa
[04:14] <vetlebox> Idunno
[04:15] <Codyman> i went to boot up my comp this morning and after "starting ubuntu" appeared it panic: "Exec 428 chroot not found" "Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill Init!"
[04:15] <Myrtti> now it understood that it would meet a XP install CD ROM if it wouldn't want to work
[04:15] <Myrtti> and decided to remember that mp3-profile
[04:16] <vetlebox> crimsun: Can`t you help me find a good sources.list? That would solve all my problems.
[04:16] <caffinated> vetlebox: did you enable the universe repos?
[04:16] <crimsun> vetlebox: your sources.list is fine.
[04:16] <crimsun> vetlebox: just sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:16] <Myrtti> I feel like a winner
[04:17] <vetlebox> ok
[04:17] <lrojas> hi all
[04:17] <vetlebox> oh, thanks, but anyways, how can I fix my locatye.
[04:17] <vetlebox> locate*
[04:18] <vetlebox> locate could not open database var/lib/slocate/slocate.db  No such file or directory
[04:18] <caffinated> sudo updatedb
[04:19] <vetlebox> caffinated: Thanks man.
[04:19] <caffinated> :)
[04:19] <vetlebox> crimsun: Thank for the help.
[04:19] <mirak> is there a way to force gnome to mount removable device in async mode ?
[04:19] <lrojas> sorry to bother you guys with dumb questions but, i just installed hoary hedghog preview, and while following the unnoficial starter guide i did a sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla, got the answer back that no package exist... am i doing something wrong? or was that removed from hoary?
[04:20] <ice_1963> lol
[04:20] <lrojas> ?
[04:20] <caffinated> lrojas: i was under the impression that you needed to get the plugin from macromedia
[04:20] <dashnu> i just love the screaming guitar licks in chromium :p
[04:21] <caffinated> i don't think you can get the flash plugin through the repositories
[04:21] <lrojas> not according to this : http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[04:21] <caffinated> lrojas: well, i just checked mine, and i can't seem to find it
[04:21] <lrojas> :s
[04:21] <lrojas> hmmm
[04:21] <lrojas> ok
[04:21] <\sh> grmpf
[04:21] <lrojas> so, there is a bug in the guide
[04:21] <caffinated> lrojas: actually, try flashplugin-nonfree
[04:21] <\sh> i have troubles with the pbuilder howto
[04:22] <caffinated> lrojas: i just noticed it
[04:22] <lrojas> ok
[04:22] <lrojas> nope.. failed too
[04:22] <\sh> i just started sudo pbuilder create --distribution=hoary
[04:22] <caffinated> strange, i have it
[04:22] <lrojas> should i add the repositories in that guide? perhaps thats whats missing
[04:22] <dashnu> just go to a flash site and click to install flash ?
[04:22] <PacoBCN> hi guys.
[04:23] <dashnu> that is all i did
[04:23] <vetlebox> Thanks guys, I`ll come back when I need more help ;)
[04:23] <caffinated> lrojas: check your sources.list to see if you have repositories commented out
[04:23] <PacoBCN> I have an application that suddently changed to english language and I want it to be in SPanish
[04:23] <caffinated> they're not all enabled by default
[04:23] <ice_1963> use synaptic
[04:23] <\sh> and following the guide i could build packeges...so sudo apt-get install source bc ; sudo pbuilder build *.dsc
[04:23] <PacoBCN> How can I do it?
[04:23] <\sh> and pbuilder is complaining about base.tar.gz
[04:24] <zanaga> ahha!
[04:24] <zanaga> klogd is to blame
[04:24] <crimsun> \sh: did you configure pbuilder?
[04:24] <crimsun> \sh: you need to configure ~/.pbuilderrc
[04:24] <\sh> crimsun, I followed the guide
[04:24] <jazzka> hi!
[04:25] <\sh> crimsun, documentation for this? in the guide there is only written about the pbuilderrc in /etc(
[04:25] <jazzka> is there any program in ubuntu to know wich program are using the network?
[04:25] <jalal_ubuntu> how to get full screen in mplayer ?
[04:25] <crimsun> jazzka: ntop, among others.
[04:26] <crimsun> jazzka: I recommend darkstat as a replacement for ntop
[04:26] <jazzka> crimsun, darkstat is in universe?
[04:26] <Fackamato> How can I reconfigure an installed package?
[04:26] <crimsun> jazzka: yes
[04:27] <crimsun> \sh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto
[04:28] <tck> im trying to add something to the Internet list under Applications
[04:28] <tck> like, nautilus applications:///Internet
[04:28] <spiral> Fackamato: dpkg-reconfigure package
[04:28] <tck> anyway to do this with HOARY
[04:28] <crimsun> tck: not via applications:///, no
[04:29] <tck> anyway ?
[04:29] <tck> wanna create an icon for an app
[04:29] <crimsun> yes, you can create the .desktop file manually
[04:29] <tck> dont want to have to type out the command each time
[04:29] <\sh> crimsun, thats the one
[04:30] <tck> crimsun, how do i do that?
[04:30] <crimsun> tck: use an editor and look at an example .desktop file
[04:30] <crimsun> tck: for instance, look at the one for rhythmbox (aka Music Player)
[04:30] <lrojas> :'(
[04:30] <lrojas> gonna cry
[04:30] <Fackamato> spiral: thanks, but how do I reconfigure sendmail :<
[04:31] <Fackamato> I want sendmail to use a relay server
[04:31] <tck> crimsun, cool
[04:31] <lrojas> i should have installed Warty instead of the stupid preview one
[04:31] <spiral> dpkg-reconfigure sendmail ?
[04:31] <Fackamato> didn't start anythinhg
[04:31] <crimsun> lrojas: it's called flashplugin-nonfree.
[04:31] <crimsun> lrojas: and it's in multiverse
[04:32] <lrojas> well my apt cant find it...
[04:32] <crimsun> lrojas: well have you enabled multiverse?
[04:32] <munki> How can I convert several .vob files to one xvid ?
[04:32] <lrojas> crimsun, are you using 5.04?
[04:32] <lrojas> or 4.10?
[04:32] <crimsun> lrojas: ~5.04
[04:33] <lrojas> ok, how do i enable multiverse?
[04:33] <spiral> lrojas: see your /etc/apt/sources.list... and see the faq
[04:33] <crimsun> lrojas: either edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually and uncomment the multiverse line, then update && upgrade, or use Synaptic
[04:34] <lordaj76> does anyone have tested kaffeine-0.5-1ubuntu1 ?
[04:34] <crimsun> s/update && upgrade/update && install flashplayer-nonfree/
[04:34] <lordaj76> it doesent start here
[04:34] <ice_1963> that's right lol
[04:34] <spiral> lordaj76: starts for me
[04:34] <\sh> hmmm...looks like that one error is causing the trouble with pbuilder
[04:34] <lrojas> hmmm, ok will try that.. asuming multiverse = universe as there is no multiverse in my sources
[04:35] <lordaj76> [lordaj76@ubuntu ~] $ kaffeine
[04:35] <lordaj76> Main: XInitThreads()
[04:35] <lordaj76> [INFO]  If Kaffeine hangs here run 'configure --with-xorg' and recompile/reinstall.
[04:35] <Myrtti> I llllloooove Ubuntu
[04:35] <lordaj76> and it hangs :)
[04:35] <\sh> he can't recognize the cdrom entry in the sources.list
[04:35] <spiral> lordaj76: I've got the same message, but this doesn't hang
[04:36] <crimsun> \sh: you need to configure the sources.list correctly.
[04:36] <Playy> http://www.playzero.com
[04:36] <\sh> crimsun, the sources.list was correct, the default cdrom entry was the bug
[04:36] <no0tic> \sh: sudo apt-cdrom add
[04:36] <\sh> no0tic, i don't have the install media in my cdrom ;)
[04:37] <\sh> after installation i'm using only net-sources
[04:37] <crimsun> \sh: if the default cdrom entry was the bug, then obviously the sources.list was incorrect :)
[04:37] <\sh> crimsun, no...normal updates etc. are ok.. he couldn't read the packages list
[04:37] <lordaj76> spiral: i think i'm going to wait another release
[04:37] <lordaj76> dont't know how to solve it
[04:37] <\sh> crimsun, but this should be mentioned in the guild
[04:37] <\sh> guide ;)
[04:38] <crimsun> \sh: that's a local issue
[04:38] <no0tic> \sh: <\sh> he can't recognize the cdrom entry in the sources.list
[04:39] <\sh> no0tic, yeah, there is no cdrom media inside, so he can't read the list
[04:39] <\sh> crimsun, at least :)
[04:39] <hayden> whats the recommended partition size for /
[04:39] <garrut> can i remove items from my window list?
[04:39] <\sh> its always the users fault ;)
[04:39] <\sh> it looks better now
[04:40] <carthik> Hi, would anyone know how to disable a firefox theme, or go back to using the default, by editing config files
[04:40] <\sh> yeah
[04:40] <carthik> Ass that I am, i installed a OSX theme on my linux firefox, and now firefox wont start up
[04:41] <Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there who know about generating menus?
[04:41] <lrojas> crimsun, i am getting an error whith the repositories...
[04:41] <wolki> hi!
[04:41] <lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[04:41] <lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[04:41] <lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[04:41] <lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[04:41] <chibifs> Brunellus - Install the package "menu"
[04:41] <chibifs> Or maybe it was menus
[04:41] <Brunellus> Ah!
[04:42] <chibifs> It has a script that builds a full debian menu in it.
[04:42] <chibifs> update-menus or menus-update
[04:42] <Myrtti> for the love of God, why does Soundjuicer rip the CD so slowly?
[04:42] <chibifs> Can't remember which :P
[04:42] <Myrtti> this'll take forever
[04:42] <no0tic> lrojas: hoary-updates doesn't exist, it will be created when hoary stable will be released
[04:42] <Brunellus> chibifs:  I have "menu" already
[04:42] <Brunellus> how do I use that with fluxbox?
[04:43] <chibifs> Then run "update-menus" or "menus-update" from a console
[04:43] <Xappe> hmm, my sound card just stopped working yesterday when I put in another hdd...
[04:43] <Brunellus> ok, I've just run update-menus
[04:43] <Brunellus> now what?
[04:43] <chibifs> Restart fluxbox.
[04:44] <Brunellus> I did the restart from the fluxbox menu
[04:44] <Brunellus> and no effect
[04:44] <Brunellus> same three items:  xterm, restart, exit
[04:44] <chibifs> Lemme look really quick. Maybe fluxbox doesn't like it or something o.O;
[04:44] <hayden> is there an alarm clock gdesklet out there
[04:45] <chibifs> Nope. I ran it, my menu is full :/
[04:45] <Brunellus> chibifs:  what is your menu location?
[04:46] <Brunellus> menu file location, sorry.
[04:46] <chibifs> Don't remember. Might want to try installing menu-xdg as well, though.
[04:46] <Brunellus> chibifs, please run fluxconf
[04:46] <Brunellus> and tell me what the Menu file location is
[04:47] <lrojas> ok, i fixed the sources.list, still get this :
[04:47] <lrojas> lrojas@cortana:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[04:47] <lrojas> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:47] <lrojas> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:47] <lrojas> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfree
[04:47] <chibifs> Doesn't have one set. D:
[04:47] <thoreauputic> the recent fluxboxes have a script called  fluxbox-generate_menu
[04:47] <deFrysk> lrojas, universe
[04:47] <lrojas> i have it uncomented
[04:47] <Brunellus> dammit.  NOTHING.
[04:47] <deFrysk> or is it multiverse ?
[04:48] <scandium> multiverse
[04:48] <lrojas> universe in my original sources
[04:48] <deFrysk> add multiverse
[04:48] <lrojas> deFrysk, where, how?
[04:48] <deFrysk> in sources.list
[04:49] <Brunellus> arrrgh.
[04:49] <Brunellus> still nothing.  I can't work out what's happening
[04:50] <Brunellus> chibifs:  how can you *not* have anything set, and have a fully-populated menu?
[04:50] <nachtwind> hi
[04:50] <Brunellus> all I get is "xterm" "restart" and "exit"
[04:50] <chibifs> Default? :P
[04:50] <Brunellus> if it's so default
[04:50] <Brunellus> why isn't it running for *me*?
[04:50] <admpell> hello
[04:51] <chibifs> Like I said, try installing menu-xdg as well, it's a more recent addition to the menu scripts.
[04:51] <Brunellus> I just did.  now what?
[04:51] <Xappe> hmm, i'm going to install ubuntu on my second hdd instead of the first (as it is now, the first one contains both win and ubuntu). can I choose during ubuntu install to install grub on hd0?
[04:51] <Brunellus> I'd be OK editing ~/.fuxbox/menu
[04:51] <ice_1963> you can do it in synaptic
[04:51] <lrojas> deFrysk, care to take a look? http://www.onedeveloper.com/sources.list
[04:51] <lrojas> please
[04:51] <Brunellus> but when I open it, there's nothing there--it's an empty file
[04:51] <ice_1963> for flash player
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: which fluxbox version?
[04:52] <hayden> how can i play an mp3 with rhythmbox from the command line
[04:52] <admpell> For me, Ubuntu freezes when I have ACPI on and when I move my mouse
[04:52] <deFrysk> lrojas, make it deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:52] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  uh, the one I apt-getted.
[04:52] <ice_1963> ok
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: warty or hoary repos?
[04:52] <deFrysk> lrojas, thats all
[04:52] <ice_1963> hoary
[04:52] <Brunellus> warty.  I'm running warty.
[04:53] <deFrysk> lrojas, and add it also to deb-src if you wish
[04:53] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I can send you an up to date deb I made ( fro warty) if you wish - I think it will solve you menu woes
[04:53] <lrojas> kay let me try now
[04:53] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: others have used it with success
[04:54] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  what will it do?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: it's 0.9.12
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: it runs a script called fluxbox-generate_menus
[04:54] <Brunellus> that'll be nice.  according to synaptic, this is..err. 0.1.14
[04:54] <Brunellus> yes. that's the script i'm looking for
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: yeah, that's ancient
[04:55] <Brunellus> all the wikis/howtos refer to it.
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Ok i'll DCC
[04:55] <Brunellus> send the deb.  that'll be nice.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: it'll be slow - Im on dialup
[04:56] <phanter> How can I add a program to the Applications->Accessories menu in gnome?
[04:56] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  no worries.
[04:56] <Brunellus> so when I get it what do I run?
[04:56] <trixisity> Hey all
[04:56] <Brunellus> deb -i fluxbox-0.9.12
[04:56] <Brunellus> ?
[04:56] <trixisity> installed ubuntu 1 hour ago
[04:56] <Brunellus> no dann
[04:56] <Brunellus> dpkg
[04:56] <Brunellus> right?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: just sudo dpkg -i
[04:56] <Brunellus> that's right.
[04:57] <Brunellus> it's been a while since I had to dpkg
[04:57] <hayden> how do i open a mp3 in rhythmbox from a cmd line
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: just tab complete the name
[04:57] <Brunellus> hayden:  use xmms :P
[04:57] <nachtwind> hi
[04:57] <nachtwind> is there any usable frontent for quota?
[04:57] <hayden> that doesn't open it in rhythmbox
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: it installs to /usr/local/bin so it should be in your PATH
[04:58] <Brunellus> hayden:  I was being only slightly facetious.  I don't use rythmbox
[04:58] <hayden> i know
[04:58] <lrojas> it worked, thanks all
[04:58] <lrojas> :)
[04:58] <wezzer-_> hayden: and when you open up that mp3-file and wonder why it doesn't play, type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad in to console
[04:59] <Brunellus> thoreauputic: will I have to end the fluxbox session I"m currently in to install this?
[04:59] <hayden> i've already installed gstreamer
[04:59] <thoreauputic> hayden: if you just want to play one mp3, install mpg321 and run mpg321 <song>
[05:00] <cusco> hi.. could any body help me? I have a datalink cable usb2 to connetc tou a mandrake or a windows machine
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: no, just do sudo dpkg -i  - of course it won't run 'til nect time
[05:00] <thoreauputic> *nex
[05:01] <thoreauputic> bah nrext
[05:01] <thoreauputic> haha
[05:01] <Xappe> :)
[05:01] <gollum> How can i change directory for apache. From /var/www/ too something like /home/user/www/
[05:01] <SeeleyUSMC> thoreauputic: That will actually let me play my mp3's?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: yes, in a basic way
[05:01] <Xappe> noone that can answer my grub question?
[05:02] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  OK.  that was painless!
[05:02] <Brunellus> do I have to logout or can I just restart?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: if you have  a dir full of mp3 s you can even run mpg321 *
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: you'll have to restart with a new session
[05:02] <snk00sj-> can anyone tell me why my apt-get doesn't find a package fluxbox ?
[05:02] <cusco> could anybody help me whit my usb2 data link cable?
[05:03] <Brunellus> once I start the new session, I run the fluxbox-generate_menu script?
[05:03] <Myrtti> would you happen to know if there are any "promote Ubuntu" buttons?
[05:03] <cusco> snk00sj-: are you searching on universe
[05:03] <cusco> ?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: and make sure /usr/local is before /usr/bin in your PATH
[05:03] <snk00sj-> universe ?
[05:03] <cusco> well yes
[05:03] <Brunellus> OK.  thanks.  restart time.
[05:03] <cusco> I don't remember where to set it...
[05:03] <snk00sj-> i don't understand what you're asking me :)
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I think you'll find the port install ran it already
[05:04] <thoreauputic> *post
[05:04] <cusco> snk00sj-: ask them... or hold let me see if I can find
[05:04] <snk00sj-> ty
[05:04] <scandium> snk00sj-, open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor and uncomment the two lines which end on "universe". to read more about ubuntu  repositories see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:05] <snk00sj-> ok thanks
[05:05] <el_cristiano> Has anyone got a word for that big fat update for hoary im just downloading (413 packages updated, 16 new)? rc-release probably?
[05:05] <cusco> snk00sj-:
[05:05] <Brunellus> ok back.
[05:05] <Brunellus> it certainly *looks* better
[05:05] <cusco> snk00sj-: pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:06] <Brunellus> I ran fluxbox-generate_menu
[05:06] <deFrysk> nano
[05:06] <cusco> snk00sj-: uncoment the two last lines
[05:06] <snk00sj-> cusco thats what i'm doing now, with nano :)
[05:06] <snk00sj-> yes, then apt-get update ?
[05:06] <cusco> and to a apt-get update
[05:06] <deFrysk> snk00sj-,  good :)
[05:06] <cusco> yes
[05:06] <Spooks> So, so far... I didn't have to install anything to get my modem to work/connect (it takes about 30mins with windows). Now my digital camera works without have to install anything too (Takes about 5 mins to get it working with windows)
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: is your menu populated?
[05:06] <snk00sj-> i' learning :)
[05:06] <Spooks> I'm in love. <3 Ubuntu
[05:06] <snk00sj-> still nothing
[05:06] <cusco> snk00sj-: me too !
[05:06] <Brunellus> the menu is *not* populated
[05:06] <el_cristiano> Spooks: :)
[05:06] <Brunellus> I have "xterm" "restart" and "exit"
[05:07] <snk00sj-> couldn't find package fluxbox
[05:07] <Spooks> *all the typos in what I just typed
[05:07] <Brunellus> I know fluxbox is minimalistic, but this is rather too ascetic for my taste
[05:07] <echylo> hmm question, which OS is the base for mac os and exists for pc too?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: look in ~/.fluxbox/init and see where it thinks the menu is
[05:07] <Xappe> echylo, BSD?
[05:07] <snk00sj-> ok it were the first two lines :)
[05:07] <Jesterace> bsd
[05:07] <echylo> yes
[05:07] <cusco> snk00sj-: are you sure?
[05:07] <cusco> type apt-cache search flux
[05:07] <echylo> openbsd?
[05:07] <nachtwind> Newbie Question: I have an RPM file and i am su and in the right folder, but why wont rpm --install=webmin.rpm run the installation?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: there's a global one you might need to copy to ~/,fluxbox
[05:08] <Xappe> echylo, iirc, yes
[05:08] <tck> anyone else getting no sound from aMSN
[05:08] <snk00sj-> cusco yeah, it were the first two lines :)
[05:08] <echylo> ok
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: or point it at the global one
[05:08] <snk00sj-> u using fluxbox also ?
[05:08] <tck> started to happen recently, then i see a build up of sox commans in the ps list that haven't executed
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: it definitely makes a menu ( I use it here)
[05:08] <tck> funnily enough they make noise when i log out
[05:09] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  it's pointing to..../etc/menu-methods
[05:09] <Brunellus> where should it point?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: the docs on fluxbox.org are useful
[05:09] <cusco> snk00sj-: no
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: init is pinting there? weird
[05:09] <thoreauputic> *pointing
[05:09] <Brunellus> that might have been a carryover from my earlier monkeying around
[05:09] <Brunellus> do I point it at ~/.fluxbox/menu
[05:09] <Brunellus> ?
[05:09] <Xappe> does grub install on the masterdisk as default?
[05:10] <snk00sj-> ok it installed :)
[05:10] <Xappe> or the same disk as ubuntu?
[05:10] <snk00sj-> now need to find out howto load fluxbox instead of kde
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: have a look at /usr/local/share/fluxbox/menu
[05:11] <scandium> Xappe, the ubuntu guided install lets you choose that...but it's using lilo, I don't know if changing to grub is possible already during install
[05:11] <Brunellus> nope.
[05:11] <lrojas> brb
[05:11] <cusco> I can't get my usb2 datalink cable to connetc to another machine :(
[05:11] <cusco> can anybody help me?
[05:11] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  no menue in there
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: locate fluxbox | grep menu
[05:12] <Xappe> scandium, ubuntu has grub by default
[05:12] <Brunellus> thoreauputic no dice.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: thet command *must* have generated output
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: type ` fluxbox -version`
[05:13] <thoreauputic> what does that say?
[05:14] <Brunellus> hang on
[05:14] <Brunellus> got it!
[05:14] <Xappe> scandium, i know that, because i've done several ubuntu installs since late october, but never on a second hdd
[05:14] <Brunellus> problem with the init file
[05:14] <Brunellus> solved.
[05:14] <thoreauputic> OK
[05:14] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:14] <Brunellus> thank you superverymuch
[05:14] <tck> whats the link to check known bugs before i write off a new one ?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: this version has some nice stuff like alpha transparency etc
[05:15] <tck> ah found it
[05:15] <tck> im half asleep today :/
[05:15] <Taraxacum> hey
[05:16] <Taraxacum> i just installed ubuntu but what are the root pass?
[05:16] <mjr> Taraxacum, not set; use sudo with your own password
[05:16] <Quinn_Storm> Taraxacum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:17] <Brunellus> I can tell.
[05:17] <Brunellus> this is actually pretty neat.
[05:17] <Taraxacum> and when i can't access the net while i am in there i can read it on a doc from the cd?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: the menu is OK now?
[05:17] <Brunellus> next thing is to add some neat stuff to the slit.
[05:17] <Brunellus> the menu is OK.  it's very pretty
[05:17] <Brunellus> just about what I expected
[05:17] <thoreauputic> cool :)
[05:17] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you have a wireless network card ?
[05:18] <scandium> Xappe, Array7 hoary from 4 days ago used lilo for me ;)
[05:18] <Taraxacum> nope
[05:18] <Arcane> 'scuse me, but can Ubuntu support a Westell Wireless modem connected through USB? :\
[05:18] <Taraxacum> i just need to do dhclient before i can use the net with i do as root you know
[05:18] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, it shouldn't be too hard getting you on the Internet then :)
[05:18] <mjr> Arcane, sounds potentially troublesome, but don't know
[05:18] <Brunellus> cool, there's even a GUI menu-config tool!
[05:18] <chibifs> Well that's a bunch of spoon.
[05:18] <Arcane> It's really, really bugging me. Knoppix and Mandrake couldn't, and it's the only modem I -have-.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I installed a bunch of devel packages so I could build my own stuff when required
[05:18] <Taraxacum> not really....but i still didn't get an answer to my question, can i read about that sudo in a document on the cd?
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you should look at network-admin it's a gui for setting up your network
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> Brunellus: what are you looking at? a new version of fluxbox? is it cool?
[05:19] <Arcane> My spleen. :x
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, use sudo -s (enter your user password) to get a root console
[05:19] <mjr> Arcane, it only has an usb interface, not ethernet?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm:  0.9.12  ( i compiled a deb)
[05:20] <Taraxacum> that's it? then i just change pass as usual?
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: ah, cool, I may have to look at that...though I doubt I'll leave kde for it
[05:20] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, the root account is locked
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> Taraxacum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:20] <Taraxacum> i know, i read there!!!
[05:20] <Arcane> Oh, no. It has a Ethernet interface and a Network Card interface. I just don't have anything except a USB port.
[05:20] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, Ubuntu does things a bit differently than some other distros
[05:20] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: hoary has 0.9.11 in the repos, I believe
[05:20] <Brunellus> Quinn_Storm:  I'm trying to get as much as I can out of a 4 year old box
[05:20] <Brunellus> and while gnome 2.8 was fun
[05:20] <bluefoxicy> gaim 1.2 is out
[05:20] <Brunellus> fluxbox might be a better way to go, since I have fairly limited RAM
[05:20] <mjr> Arcane, have you actually tried to configure it yourself or just tried if it works straight away?
[05:21] <Taraxacum> so can someone answer my question now?
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> Brunellus: that makes sense
[05:21] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: it is indeed
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: cool
[05:21] <cisa> hi anybody
[05:21] <Arcane> ... I've tried on Mandrake and Knoppix. I'm trying to find out if it works on Ubuntu so I don't use up another CD for nothing.
[05:21] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you will have to install the help I don't know if it's included on the cd itself sorry
[05:21] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: you're more up to date than hoary users on that fluxbox ;-)
[05:22] <Taraxacum> will the damn root account always be locked?
[05:22] <mjr> Arcane, well, frankly, chances are that if you couldn't get it working on those, you won't get it working on ubuntu either
[05:22] <Quinn_Storm> Taraxacum: please read the page I linked you to, it explains the root account and locking
[05:22] <thoreauputic> Taraxacum: use sudo with your user password
[05:22] <Brunellus> I feel supernifty
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you can unlock it if you want but sudo is the default
[05:22] <Brunellus> warty is stable for me
[05:22] <Taraxacum> i know i know but why can't you just answer my question?!
[05:22] <Brunellus> and fluxbox is fast.
[05:22] <Brunellus> yay
[05:22] <tck> have a question
[05:23] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, what question ?
[05:23] <tck> sox isn't playing sounds properly in amsn
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> I certainly remember fluxbox being fast from when I had ancient hardware...though nothing is fast with transparency, lol
[05:23] <tck> would i log that as a sox bug or an amsn bug ?
[05:23] <Taraxacum> can i read about that sudo in a document on the cd?
[05:23] <mjr> Arcane, but I have no way of knowing if that's because it just requires some tricks that you didn't know about or if it's inherently nondoable
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: you can turn it off :)
[05:24] <Arcane> I seriously don't know, myself.
[05:24] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, I said that I don't know if it is on the cd or not, you can have a look at the cd now can't you ?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: well obviously, heh, even if not I could always just kill the compmgr
[05:24] <^thehatsrule^> flux is great ;p
[05:24] <zerovertex> Anyone got Skype? I just set it up under hoary and I need to test and make sure it works.
[05:24] <mjr> Arcane, try to google around for your modem model and linux
[05:24] <cisa> is there someone with an atar215 or similar usb adsl modem? i just want to know wether someone else has problems with compiling the drivers on kernel >=2.6.8
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: it isn't that kind of transparency - just pseudo-transparent menus etc
[05:25] <Taraxacum> oh sorry i must have missed that then LinuxJones, just so you know you was the only one helpful to me
[05:25] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: ohhh, ok
[05:25] <Brunellus> yay.
[05:25] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: that's fine
[05:25] <Brunellus> now for some dockapps
[05:25] <Xappe> scandium, hmm, never noticed anything on a switch to lilo
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: it just has adjustable alpha for menus and window frames, and the taskbar
[05:26] <Arcane> ... I've already TRIED googling around like that. It just gets me "Yay, it works perfect with my network card!" etc.
[05:26] <lrojas> anybody has iPod working with ubuntu?
[05:27] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all gotr a problem when i want to reboot ubuntu it freeze after displaying rebooting
[05:27] <ubuntu> i cannot install hoary on vmware... it complains about not finding any partitions / harddrives
[05:27] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, that's ok I only see an installation guide on the Hoary cd
[05:28] <Quinn_Storm> Kenneth: well have you made sure there are virtual harddrives set up on your vmware virtual machine?
[05:28] <Kenneth> i just used  the guide as usual
[05:28] <Kenneth> works with other distros and with Warty
[05:28] <keffo> tips of ftp-clients? i mean.. gftp sux, the queue cant be saved etc..
[05:28] <Taraxacum> after i installed i felt like i was left out in the blue, cause i didn't know what to do after it worked, i couldn't connect or anything, don't you think it should be a guide on that too in the cd?
[05:29] <Doomhammer> hi all
[05:29] <malte__> is it possible to install ubuntu without getting all ofubuntu-desktop?
[05:29] <Doomhammer> how do I shut down the X-Server?
[05:29] <malte__> i want to use it on a server
[05:30] <queuetue> Has anyone installed AMP and Asterisk?  Is there  arepository for AMP (Asterisk Management Portal) anywhere?
[05:30] <Doomhammer> malte: sounds like you're in the same boat as me :P
[05:30] <thoreauputic> malte__: short answer is "yes"
[05:30] <Kenneth> Quinn_Storm, or do I need to do something special
[05:30] <malte__> thoreauputic, long answer involves "how" i suppose :) perhaps the wiki has more info?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> either "expert" or "server" (on hoary)
[05:30] <malte__> thoreauputic, yeah, i'm installing hoary
[05:30] <Doomhammer> how do I switch from graphical login to text-based login?
[05:30] <Doomhammer> I'm running Warty
[05:30] <keffo> tips of ftp-clients? i mean.. gftp sux, the queue cant be saved etc..
[05:30] <jalal_ubuntu> plz how to resove the rebooting problem
[05:30] <malte__> thoreauputic, that's all there's to it?
[05:31] <Doomhammer> keffo: vsftpd
[05:31] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, it is assumed that everyting works correctly after an install. www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start for information.
[05:31] <thoreauputic> malte__: well, you need to have some idea what you're doing, of course :)
[05:31] <Quinn_Storm> Kenneth: I don't think so
[05:31] <Kenneth> ok
[05:31] <Kenneth> :(
[05:31] <Taraxacum> dhcp never works allright with loginservers it seems
[05:31] <keffo> Doomhammer, i said client maybe?
[05:31] <Doomhammer> oh :P
[05:32] <Doomhammer> nevermind :D
[05:32] <malte__> thoreauputic, i do ;)
[05:32] <lrojas> are there any instructions to acces the Appel iPod mini from ubuntu?
[05:32] <malte__> thoreauputic, thanks then, i'll go give it a try
[05:32] <wasabi> Am I supposed to have /dev/inotify?
[05:32] <thoreauputic> malte__: I don't ahev a link handy, but a search of the wiki and forums would find something, I'm sure
[05:32] <Taraxacum> no matter what distro i tried i had to do everything manually when it comes to dhclient, login to the isp and find the info, but since i couldn't login as root here i couldn't understand what to do
[05:32] <LinuxJones> Taraxacum, if you run network-admin you can set you basic network settings like dhcp
[05:33] <janc> does anyone know if hoary preview live CDs have lvm support?
[05:33] <janc> (knoppix hasn't it seems)
[05:34] <Doomhammer> in order to have a text-based login, do I need to change the default runlevel?
[05:34] <indiefusion> .
[05:34] <Doomhammer> .?
[05:34] <Glin|Jol> how would i go about setting up a root user in ubuntu?
[05:34] <Doomhammer> glin: type "sudo passwd root"
[05:34] <Glin|Jol> thanks
[05:34] <Doomhammer> enter and re-enter the password, and you're all set :)
[05:34] <Glin|Jol> been a long time since i have used any *nix distro heh
[05:35] <LinuxJones> Doomhammer, no you can remove the gdm symlink in the runlevel 2 dir
[05:35] <Doomhammer> Ubuntu is the only one that has root access disabled like that ... that I know of
[05:35] <queuetue> Glin|Jol, Can i ask why you want to be able to log in as root?  sudo doesn't do it for you?
[05:35] <Doomhammer> where might I find this runlevel 2 dir? /etc/init.d?
[05:35] <indiefusion> during install of latest iso, i get "an error has occured while trying to install the kernel of the target system.  Kernel package: linux-386"
[05:35] <LinuxJones> /etc/rc2.d/
[05:35] <sig> sudo -s works fine
[05:35] <Glin|Jol> queuetue: its not that i want to log in as root, its that i want to install packages, edit system configs etc
[05:36] <queuetue> Glin|Jol, That's what sudo is for.
[05:36] <sig> Glin|Jol: you can do that with sudo -s
[05:36] <Doomhammer> indie: did you verify the MD5 sum of the ISO? possibly that package is corrupted, or something
[05:36] <LinuxJones> Doomhammer, runlevels 2-5 are the same in Debian based distros which differs from Redhat based ones
[05:36] <queuetue> sudo means "do it as the super user"
[05:36] <Glin|Jol> yeah
[05:36] <Doomhammer> Jones: yea, I was thinking I needed to change it in /etc/inittab, like I did in RH9
[05:36] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: to get tty login, you need to disable gdm ( update-rc.d can do that )
[05:36] <Glin|Jol> but when i type "sudo -s apt-get install <package> it asks for a password
[05:37] <queuetue> Glin|Jol, So, give it your password. :)
[05:37] <indiefusion> Doomhammer, no, i will
[05:37] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: debian distros use runlevel 2 as default
[05:37] <indiefusion> thx
[05:37] <Glin|Jol> queuetue: my regular user password?
[05:37] <sig> Glin|Jol: here if you want to disable that:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:37] <Doomhammer> thoreaputic: is it better to do that, or to remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d?
[05:37] <queuetue> Glin|Jol, *your* pasword.  The password of the current user who is logged in.
[05:37] <Glin|Jol> queuetue: ahh thanks
[05:37] <Glin|Jol> sig: thanks for the link
[05:37] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: using update-rc.d is the "approved" way
[05:38] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know where to find the Windows drivers for an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg ?
[05:38] <Doomhammer> ah :)
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: it's very simple - the amn page is actually comprehensible ;)
[05:38] <thoreauputic> *man
[05:38] <thoreauputic> can't type...
[05:38] <Doomhammer> so I'd just do "update-rc.d gdm remove"?
[05:38] <Doomhammer> it would appear so, according to the man page
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: sounds right to me
[05:38] <jalal_ubuntu> plz how to resove the rebooting problem
[05:38] <tmorton> Hey, how do I use two mice w/ Ubuntu?
[05:39] <Glin|Jol> also, i just installed ubuntu for the first time, this is also my first debian-based distro
[05:39] <sig> Glin|Jol: then you need to use sudo
[05:39] <Glin|Jol> how do i add/remove/update the .deb packages and sources on my machine?
[05:39] <sig> sudo is for your sake
[05:39] <sig> Glin|Jol: using apt or synaptec
[05:39] <Glin|Jol> sig: yeah i am fine using sudo as root
[05:39] <Doomhammer> now is it wise to remove gdm from the default runlevel while it's running?
[05:39] <sig> synaptec is the gui version
[05:39] <trixisity> Can someone help me, what would be the installation path of my browser, would that be /usr/lib/mozilla, or would that be /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox=
[05:39] <sig> computer > system configuration > synaptec
[05:39] <Doomhammer> trixisity: depends, do you have Mozilla or Firefox?
[05:39] <indiefusion> Glin|Jol: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get ugprade
[05:40] <trixisity> well I have firefox
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: those scripts run on atart up, so I think it's fine
[05:40] <Glin|Jol> indiefusion: thats what i was looking for, thanks
[05:40] <trixisity> but I also have a map that just says mozilla
[05:40] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ which firefox
[05:40] <sig> /usr/bin/firefox
[05:40] <sig> trixisity:
[05:40] <Glin|Jol> sig: is there a way to view a list of currently installed packages?
[05:40] <Doomhammer> /etc/firefox, maybe
[05:40] <Doomhammer> /usr/bin/firefox would have the script to start it ;)
[05:40] <sig> Glin|Jol: yes in synaptec
[05:40] <Glin|Jol> sig: k thanks :)
[05:40] <trixisity> Cause I'm trying to install a flash plugin
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: you're not removing gdm, just the script symlinks
[05:41] <Doomhammer> ok, gdm removed from default runlevel
[05:41] <Doomhammer> thoreaputic: yep, that makes sense
[05:42] <thoreauputic> hmm reboot wasn't necessary - telinit 1 would have been enough
[05:42] <Doomhammer> meh
[05:42] <Doomhammer> brb, gotta run downstairs and check on it ...
[05:43] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I think the symlinks can get re-added if the packages get an upgrade (if you've removed them with update-rc.d)
[05:43] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: ah, didn't know that - how would one avoid that?
[05:44] <toni^> is there anywhere a tutorial how to install mysql to work with apache2?
[05:44] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I didn't realize either till jdub mentioned it one day
[05:44] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: I know a way in debian, but the file isn't in ubuntu
[05:45] <thoreauputic> there's a deafault dm file you can change to "false" - don't recall exactly
[05:45] <Brainache> hey
[05:45] <tmorton> Hmm...how do I reboot Xorg?
[05:45] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, Ubuntu really needs a service script manager, it would be a good project to work on but I think there are some underlying issues that I don't know about that would have to be dealt with ;P
[05:46] <Myrtti> ha, funny how fast Thunderbird now loads
[05:46] <Brainache> im looking for some help on how to configure and install a package
[05:46] <Myrtti> Brainache: huh?
[05:46] <Brainache> ive tried doing what it says on the ubuntu support page
[05:46] <electricwheels> Good Day All
[05:46] <LinuxJones> electricwheels, hiya
[05:46] <Brainache> im a complete newbie at linux
[05:46] <Brainache> please bear with me
[05:47] <LinuxJones> Brainache, we all were at one time :)
[05:47] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: yes, even the debian types think update-rc.d is not a good way to handle things,apparently
[05:47] <Myrtti> Brainache: what are you trying to do? install something?
[05:47] <Brainache> i got a tar.bz2 file
[05:47] <mattgirv> is there a way to make KDE (QT) apps look more like GTK2 apps when running in Gnome.
[05:47] <artnay> Myrtti: since when have you been using ubuntu? I remember you're having some Citrix problems, are they solved now?
[05:47] <Brainache> yeah
[05:47] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, yeah
[05:47] <mattgirv> I love AmaroK but it looks butt ugly in GNOME :(
[05:47] <Brainache> and i do configure, and i get an error message
[05:47] <tmorton> Brainache, What's the error?
[05:47] <Brainache> i can cp and paste the error message
[05:47] <Brainache> one sec
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Brainache: use the package manager
[05:47] <Myrtti> artnay: no, but I went to my schools computer center and they said the problem might exist at their end with the servers
[05:48] <tmorton> Do you have gcc installed?
[05:48] <electricwheels> I'm looking to get some help with getting my computer boot windows xp and ubuntu, it boots ubuntu just fine but I can't get it to boot up my windows xp.  If I can't get this resolved I need to know how to properly and cleanly uninstall ubuntu.  Can anyone help me.
[05:48] <Brainache> its not an Apt-get package
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Brainache: if you're new, forget compiling for a whle
[05:48] <Myrtti> artnay: I've used Ubuntu for... lemme get my calendar... for a month?
[05:48] <Brainache> i downloaded it from a website
[05:48] <Brainache> its a livejorunal client
[05:48] <LinuxJones> Brainache, you can use tar xfjv tarball to extract
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Brainache: what is it?
[05:48] <tmorton> The error...
[05:49] <Brainache> i extracted it with the GUI extractor
[05:49] <LinuxJones> Brainache, sorry I missed that
[05:49] <Myrtti> I'd seriously consider adding Debian repositories to your sources.list for a second, see if that LJ client is there and if so, install it from there
[05:49] <Myrtti> but that's just me
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Brainache: you would need ( at least) to install build-essential
[05:49] <Glin|Jol> sig: it seems that i dont have synaptec installed on my machine, and sudo apt-get install synaptec results in a 'Couldn't find package synaptec' error
[05:49] <Brainache> Myritt: How can i do that?
[05:50] <Brainache> the error message was: checking for gcc... no
[05:50] <Brainache> checking for cc... no
[05:50] <Brainache> checking for cc... no
[05:50] <Brainache> checking for cl... no
[05:50] <Brainache> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: not good advice for a newb, methinks
[05:50] <tmorton> Yup...you don't have GCC installed
[05:50] <LinuxJones> Brainache, what app are you trying to install ?
[05:50] <Brainache> heh
[05:50] <Brainache> Drivel Livejournal client
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Brainache: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:50] <Brainache> thanks!
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Brainache: you have no usable compiler
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Brainache, are you running hoary or warty ?
[05:51] <Brainache> warty
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Brainache, it is available as a binary download in the Hoary repository
[05:51] <Brainache> thoreauptic: ok
[05:51] <Brainache> how do i get to the Hoary repository
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Brainache: and drivel is in the repos for warty
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Brainache, try enabling the universe repository it is probably available via synaptic
[05:51] <thoreauputic> it is
[05:52] <Brainache> ok, thankyou
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Brainache: enable universe
[05:52] <moder_> hello. I'm trying to run apt-get update but it fails to fetch some of the packages. Should I change the archive address to something else than http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com? I'm running Hoary :)
[05:53] <Brainache> i think i saw something about uncommenting some lines somewhere to enable universe
[05:53] <Brainache> is that right?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Brainache: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:53] <LinuxJones> moder_, get rid of the fi and use archive.ubuntu.com
[05:53] <moder_> LinuxJones: ok, I'll try that then :p
[05:54] <Brainache> thoreauputic: thankyou
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Brainache: no problem :)
[05:54] <thux> Hi, I have a user in Hoary who runs :(){ :|:& };: and then I have to reboot, how I can prevent that, easiest method if somebody care to tell?
[05:54] <Myrtti> moder_: indeed, I doubt we Finns yet have Ubuntu mirror
[05:54] <Myrtti> I've used the Norwegian one
[05:54] <electricwheels> I'm looking to get some help with getting my computer to boot windows xp and ubuntu, it boots ubuntu just fine but I can't get it to boot up my windows xp.  If I can't get this resolved I need to know how to properly and cleanly uninstall ubuntu.  Can anyone help me ????????
[05:54] <moder_> Myrtti: it was there since the install :I
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Brainache: you can do it in synaptic in settings >> repostories as well ( might be easier)
[05:54] <Myrtti> moder_: the fi-part?
[05:54] <Myrtti> that's odd
[05:54] <moder_> yep
[05:55] <moder_> at least I havent changed that :p
[05:55] <LinuxJones> thux, can you re-phrase that question I don't really understand
[05:55] <electricwheels> I'm running the warty version of ubuntu
[05:55] <Brainache> thoreauputic: ah yes.  im more used to the gui way atm
[05:56] <thux> LinuxJones: hostile user runs that fork :(){ :|:& };:
[05:56] <Brainache> ive been using ubuntu for all of about 30 minutes
[05:56] <Doomhammer> does anyone use Certance's TapeWare software?
[05:56] <Doomhammer> I just installed it, and now I need to restore some files from tape backup
[05:56] <moder_> ok, it's working now, thanks :)
[05:56] <njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: you here?
[05:56] <thux> LinuxJones: ulimit doesn't seem to help
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Brainache:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:56] <moder_> uh
[05:56] <Doomhammer> but it doesn't know I have anything backed up, so is there another piece of software I can use to restore some files?
[05:56] <moder_> no, it isn't :P
[05:57] <Brainache> thoreauputic: great, thanks
[05:57] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: yes I am
[05:57] <LinuxJones> thux, if someone is runnign commands on your system you've been compromized. Disconnect the computer fromt eh network and do a fresh install changing all passwords and do a system upgrade
[05:57] <njs12345> you wanted to know how to use your flash stick on the forums?
[05:57] <thux> LinuxJones: shell server lot of users
[05:57] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: I need to post there again.  I got it working last night actually
[05:57] <njs12345> ah, I see =)
[05:58] <tmorton> Where can I get the kernel source?
[05:58] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: only problem now is this darned wireless Atheros AR5212 abg card that "works out of the box" :)
[05:58] <tmorton> for Ubuntu...
[05:58] <tmorton> I need it to build my WiFi card drivers
[05:58] <Brainache> ok, on a whim, i tried running configure now i apt-got the build package
[05:58] <moder_> are these packages vital: .../dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[05:58] <moder_> .../dists/hoary-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[05:58] <moder_> .../dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz
[05:58] <moder_> .../dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz
[05:59] <moder_> it gives me 404 not found on those
[05:59] <LinuxJones> thux, who knows what the user has changed on your system. I would backup all of the logfiles (for examination later) maybe you can find out how he got access to your system.
[05:59] <Brainache> and i got a perl error: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[05:59] <thux> ok
[05:59] <njs12345> is it me, or is "aasink" the coolest video output gstreamer plugin ever?
[05:59] <njs12345> I can view the output of my webcam in ascii :D
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Brainache: not a good idea - use the apt packages (easier to remove, update etc)
[05:59] <Brainache> ok, will do
[05:59] <Brainache> thanks
[05:59] <Myrtti> ok, one last thing to sort out...
[06:00] <Taraxacum> back
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Brainache: don't compile until you understand what's happening
[06:00] <LinuxJones> thux, installing a file integrity checker like aide and running it as a cron job along with chkrootkit
[06:00] <LinuxJones> thux, would be advisable as well
[06:00] <LinuxJones> he left :(
[06:01] <Brainache> ok, i will stick with packages
[06:01] <thoreauputic> Brainache: there are about 14 000 to choose from if you enable universe - use the search function in synaptic to find things
[06:02] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed_: you here?
[06:02] <Brainache> i've enabled universe
[06:02] <Bauhn> Can anyone here help me with installing VLC?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> Brainache: did you reload?
[06:02] <Brainache> did it from the cl (go me)
[06:02] <Brainache> i just did
[06:02] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, did you add the universe repository ?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> cool :)
[06:02] <Brainache> yep, found drivel
[06:02] <Brainache> thanks so much
[06:03] <Brainache> really helpful
[06:03] <Brainache> bye!
[06:03] <Burgundavia> what are 4 default fonts in firefox?
[06:03] <Bauhn> LinuxJones, how do i do that?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Brainache: that's what we're here for :)
[06:03] <moder_> LinuxJones: I'm having problems with installing VLC too
[06:03] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, let me get you a link 1 sec
[06:03] <moder_> even when I added universe by uncommenting those lines
[06:04] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[06:04] <massimiliano> hello to all, I am Italian and would have need of aid...excuse for my english...
[06:04] <Bauhn> LinuxJones, thx
[06:04] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, :)
[06:05] <LinuxJones> massimiliano, welcome what's your problem ?
[06:05] <Bauhn> LinuxJones, and btw, do you know why i can't edit sources.list?
[06:05] <Myrtti> are y ou doing it as sudo
[06:05] <bniemczyk> Bauhn: are you putting 'sudo' in front of your edit command?
[06:05] <Myrtti> or in sudo
[06:06] <bniemczyk> like 'sudo vim /etc/sources.list'
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:06] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, you need to sudo to get root priviliges
[06:06] <Bauhn> LinuxJones, aah *smart*
[06:06] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk: I don't think he'd like vim somehow :)
[06:06] <ahijah> dunb question... what is the location of the main kernal
[06:07] <deFrysk>  /boot
[06:07] <LinuxJones> ahijah, /boot
[06:07] <thoreauputic> ahijah: why do you need to know?
[06:07] <massimiliano> my problem is with the hoary distribution...cupsys-driver-gimpprint and ubuntu-desktop have problems with the dependencies...
[06:08] <massimiliano> E: cupsys-driver-gimpprint:  il sottoprocesso post-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 2
[06:08] <bniemczyk> thoreauputic: bah
[06:08] <massimiliano> E: ubuntu-desktop:  problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
[06:08] <bniemczyk> everyone should like vim
[06:08] <Burgundavia> massimiliano: have you updated recently? There was an issue that got resolved
[06:08] <LinuxJones> massimiliano, if it asks to remove ubuntu-desktop just ignore it, it's only a metapackage
[06:08] <tck> has anyone ever commited a bug report ?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk: but not when starting out ;)
[06:08] <Burgundavia> tck: yes
[06:08] <ermo> Could anyone help me install a .desktop so that it shows up in Applications/Sound & Video (hoary)?
[06:09] <massimiliano> i have update today....
[06:09] <vaijr2002> is there an easy way to install mplayer, and the codecs?
[06:09] <LinuxJones> ermo, you run warty or hoary ?
[06:09] <bniemczyk> thoreauputic: bah, i will forever disagree with that statement
[06:09] <bniemczyk> ;)
[06:09] <jalal_ubuntu> how to erase rewritable cd in console mode
[06:09] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:09] <ermo> LinuxJones, as I indicated: (hoary)
[06:09] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk: ed! ed is the edtor! man ed!
[06:09] <bniemczyk> lol
[06:09] <thoreauputic> :D
[06:09] <massimiliano> every time that I try to install a package gives this error
[06:10] <Xappe> gah, my internet connection is slow today. trying to download the array 7 cd in 30 kb/s(!)...five hours for a simple cd image... :(
[06:10] <bniemczyk> ed's a bit much
[06:10] <LinuxJones> ermo, you are going to have to install a menu editor, it was jsut released yesterday
[06:10] <bniemczyk> even for me :/
[06:10] <bniemczyk> and i'm a masochist
[06:10] <ermo> so far, I've checked the spec at freedesktop.org specs and looked in ~/.local/share/applications/ where I've placed my .desktop entry
[06:10] <LinuxJones> ermo, let me see if I can find it for you
[06:10] <ermo> LinuxJones, really? thanks a bunch m8
[06:10] <mameluke> is it possible that there are Problems installing Galeon on Warty?
[06:10] <mameluke> it' doesn't work
[06:10] <Bauhn> LinuxJones, what should i do when i have installed the universe?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk:  http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[06:11] <ermo> LinuxJones, DOH. Lemme doublecheck how it's done in /usr/share/applications (silly me)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> mameluke: that's right - galeon is a problem on warty
[06:12] <LinuxJones> ermo, >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb
[06:12] <mameluke> i tried this one "dpkg -i galeon_1.3.20-1ubuntu4_i386.deb" thoreauputic.... thx for the info
[06:12] <mameluke> maybe i must change to Hoary
[06:12] <thoreauputic> mameluke: if you need galeon, yes
[06:13] <Zane> Hello everyone.  I installed ubuntu yesterday.. got nvidia drivers to work.. now i wanna know how i can get my sound to work.. i have soundblaster 64 audio card
[06:13] <LinuxJones> ermo, download and sudo -s to get to a root console, dpkg -i menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb and meun-editor to run it .....has to be run by root user
[06:13] <thoreauputic> mameluke: it isn't in the warty repos because it wouldn't build
[06:13] <ermo> LinuxJones, is that because it edits the /usr/share/applications directory?
[06:13] <bniemczyk> thoreauputic: lol
[06:13] <Bauhn> I'm trying to install VLC, and LinuxJones told me to install the universe.. now i've added them to sources.list.. what should i do now?
[06:13] <mameluke> thx, anyway... i dont need it realy thoreauputic, but i just wanted someting else as ff ;)
[06:14] <scandium> Bauhn, sudo apt-get update
[06:14] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk: I have that from one of the devs concerned :)
[06:14] <Bauhn> scandium, thx
[06:14] <scandium> Bauhn, then apt-cache search vlc and pick the ones you like
[06:14] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk: oh - just realised - you looked at the link!
[06:14] <massimiliano> Can i delete the two packages that give problems to me? (cupsys-driver-gimpprint and ubuntu-desktop)
[06:14] <Doomhammer> how should I go about restoring some files from tape backup?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> bniemczyk: heheh
[06:15] <scandium> Bauhn, e.g. "sudo apt-get install vlc", most likely ;)
[06:15] <massimiliano> will i have problems?
[06:15] <ftwig> trying to do a make and it says  qpainter.h is missing.  This is part of the Qt library.  I have looked in synaptic and cant see what I have missed.  Any ideas?
[06:15] <LinuxJones> ermo, no
[06:15] <mjr> Doomhammer, depends entirely on how you went about writing the data there
[06:15] <Bauhn> scandium, ok, i think i'll make this now..
[06:15] <Doomhammer> I used Yosemite TapeWare
[06:15] <bniemczyk> ftwig: do you have the -dev or -devel packages installed?
[06:16] <mjr> sounds like you want to use Yosemite TapeWare for restoring
[06:16] <bniemczyk> i don't remember the name...
[06:16] <Doomhammer> but now, I can't restore it with TapeWare, because this is a fresh install of Ubuntu and TW doesn't know that I have ever backed up anything ...
[06:16] <Doomhammer> it doesn't know that I have any media
[06:16] <ftwig> bniemczyk: yes - think so
[06:16] <ermo> LinuxJones, then why do I need root? If it edits ~/.local/share/applications, I shouldn't need root. In fact, it would be detrimental..
[06:16] <mjr> well, find out how it writes the data, 'cause there's no one way of doing it
[06:17] <scandium> ftwig, additionally to libqt3-headers you also need libqt3-(mt-)dev
[06:17] <ermo> LinuxJones, but thx for the pointer
[06:17] <LinuxJones> ermo, ;)
[06:18] <Fl-i-nT> hi all
[06:18] <massimiliano> LinuxJones, Can i delete the two packages that give problems to me? (cupsys-driver-gimpprint and ubuntu-desktop)
[06:18] <Echylo> hmm how should I create a html playlist of my songs like winamp does,
[06:18] <ftwig> bniemczyk: ive got libqt3-mt-dev
[06:18] <ermo> LinuxJones, also, the newest version supports non-root editing, it would seem.
[06:18] <indiefusion> how do i edit grub to rid it of unwanted entries?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> massimiliano: ubuntu-desktop can be removed without problems
[06:19] <thoreauputic> massimiliano: it's a meta-package
[06:19] <ermo> LinuxJones, the newest is 0.2-1 (not 0.1-1)
[06:19] <LinuxJones> ermo, he must have changed it recently :)
[06:19] <ermo> 20th of martch, so yeah ;)
[06:19] <CarlK_> is there some way to do "screen shots" of the console durring an install?  cuz this is sutpid: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/e/00008.jpg
[06:19] <ermo> march even
[06:19] <massimiliano> and cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> massimiliano, do you have an epson printer ?
[06:19] <massimiliano> no..
[06:19] <massimiliano> i have a hp
[06:19] <thoreauputic> indiefusion: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:19] <mirak> what means footing ?
[06:19] <bniemczyk> ftwig: do you have libqt3-headers ?
[06:20] <indiefusion> k, thanks
[06:20] <scandium> ftwig, as I told you, you also need libqt3-headers
[06:20] <ftwig> bniemczyk: yes, I already had them
[06:20] <Myrtti> uulalaa
[06:21] <Myrtti> I managed to fix my nvidia installation
[06:21] <Myrtti> I'm good
[06:21] <LinuxJones> massimiliano, there might be some drivers that you printer might need in that package gimpprint. You can always re-install if your printer stops working if you remove it
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: :) congrats !
[06:21] <Myrtti> from now on, when referring to myself on Linux matters, I'll call myself as Ubuntu Goddess
[06:21] <Myrtti> I love me
[06:21] <LinuxJones> Myrtti, you rock !!
[06:21] <Myrtti> life is good
[06:21] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:21] <massimiliano> ok thanks a lot...
[06:22] <LinuxJones> massimiliano, ;)
[06:22] <ftwig> bniemczyk: rclock.cpp:22:22: qpainter.h: No such file or directory is what I get
[06:22] <Myrtti> this day has been full of good suprises
[06:22] <ermo> LinuxJones, bad bad bad Travis Watkins. He hasn't included python docstrings *waves fist at mr. Watkins*
[06:22] <Fl-i-nT> \o\o\o\o\o|o|o|o|o|o/o/o/o/o/o
[06:22] <Echylo> hmm how should I create a html playlist of my songs like winamp does ? anyone ?
[06:22] <Amaranth> ermo: ?
[06:22] <airox> Am I blind or is cdimages.ubuntu.com running apache 2.1.3 ??
[06:22] <Fl-i-nT> geez i hate this eyecandy stuff
[06:23] <Fl-i-nT> but i want it lol
[06:23] <Arcane> Any suggestions on how to get a USB modem working? >>
[06:23] <Amaranth> ermo: I didn't do what?
[06:23] <mdz> Myrtti: do we need to add a "goddess" tier to the Ubuntu community governance structure? ;-)
[06:23] <Echylo> arcane, start with saying wich modem ;)
[06:23] <indiefusion> thoreauputic, how do i make winxp default? (i'm dual booting(
[06:23] <Arcane> Westell Wirespeed B90-220030-04.
[06:24] <Echylo> indiefusion , just plave the whole XP entry above the ubuntu one :P
[06:24] <ermo> Amaranth, ah it's you! I was reading through the code to the nice menu-editor you wrote. I just commented on how you'd not written a docstring for your menu library class :D
[06:24] <SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed_: you there?
[06:24] <Myrtti> mdz: naah, I'll settle for just calling myself with that name
[06:24] <indiefusion> Echylo, hmm.....i don't have a winxp entry in there
[06:24] <ermo> Amaranth, nothing more
[06:24] <airox> indiefusion: Horray!
[06:24] <indiefusion> rofl
[06:24] <Amaranth> ermo: hehe, it's all pretty self explanatory
[06:24] <Echylo> :D
[06:24] <Echylo> euhm
[06:24] <Xappe> indiefusion, well, add one
[06:24] <Amaranth> ermo: MenuHandler is anyway
[06:24] <indiefusion> it's there when i boot up
[06:25] <indiefusion> but it's not in the file
[06:25] <indiefusion> the ifle just ends saying "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"
[06:25] <Myrtti> now I need to find out the correct refresh rates for this screen
[06:25] <airox> :)
[06:25] <Xappe> indiefusion, have you checked before the debian automagic thing
[06:25] <Echylo> there should be an entry indie ;)
[06:25] <ermo> Amaranth, yeah, it looks pretty too! I've a question though: Is the menu a system-wide xml-file which happens to be sync'ed with the current users' .local/share/applications/foobar.desktop entries?
[06:26] <indiefusion> Xappe: lol yeah
[06:26] <Doomhammer> how do I restore with TapeWare XE if I have a fresh install of it?
[06:26] <thoreauputic> indiefusion: it's below that - scroll down
[06:26] <ermo> Amaranth, (haven't read the whole thing yet)
[06:26] <Doomhammer> it doesn't regognize that I have any media ...
[06:26] <SeeleyUSMC> ath%d: unable to atach hardware; HAL status 13 <-- anyone know what this means?
[06:26] <indiefusion> there are really no more lines after that
[06:27] <thoreauputic> indiefusion: you should see comment lines like
[06:27] <MM2_> does ext2 has some filesize limits?
[06:27] <Amaranth> ermo: /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu and ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[06:27] <thoreauputic>  This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[06:27] <thoreauputic> # on /dev/hda1
[06:27] <indiefusion> i may have deleted it in a freak delete key accident
[06:27] <indiefusion> hmm
[06:27] <indiefusion> brb
[06:27] <indiefusion> thx
[06:27] <samo22> does anynoe know is this is Mozilla Firefox 1.0.1 bug in Hoary ? I can't download anything .. it won't start it ...
[06:27] <ermo> Amaranth, thanks. I shall promptly dive head first into menu goodness
[06:27] <ggl_6> hello
[06:28] <thoreauputic> samo22: yes, known issue
[06:28] <MM2_> darn, that explains why my tarred backups are screwed...
[06:28] <janc> samo22 : try downloading with right click & then save link as
[06:28] <Amaranth> ermo: don't suppose you know what's wrong with the locales stuff? :)
[06:28] <janc> as a workaround
[06:28] <thoreauputic> samo22: try right click, "save as"
[06:28] <samo22> janc: ok will try tnx
[06:28] <ggl_6> does ubuntu use the same package system as Debian?
[06:28] <JDahl> MM2_, I think ext2 has an 8 or 10 GB filesize limit.. not 100% sure though
[06:28] <mameluke> hrm... i try to upgrade to hoary with apt... im following the instruktions on the ubuntu-wiki, but it doesn't works
[06:29] <thoreauputic> janc: oops, sorry missed it
[06:29] <Echylo> what's the problem mameluke ?
[06:29] <Arcane> Eugh, I'm gonna reboot in Knoppix and try lspci -v
[06:29] <mameluke> Echylo, mom i past in query ok?
[06:29] <MM2_> JDahl: looks like limit is 2GB :(
[06:29] <Echylo> www.pastebin.com
[06:29] <Echylo> :p
[06:29] <Arcane> THEN I'll start downloading if it won't work.
[06:30] <samo22> yes tnx its working :)
[06:31] <samo22> another question .. does anynoe have good apt sources link for latest sun java ..?
[06:31] <calc> supposedly if you have LFS support enabled filesize limit is 8TB
[06:31] <Myrtti> wowee
[06:31] <Doomhammer> 8TB? wow ...
[06:31] <calc> though i think the site i am reading doesn't know how to do math correctly
[06:31] <Doomhammer> that would be a HUGE file :)
[06:32] <calc> it said 2^63 is only 8TB
[06:32] <calc> its actually ~ 8 exabytes
[06:32] <vaijr2002> grrr
[06:32] <ermo> Amaranth, are you planning, say, dnd capability where one drags a .desktop file onto the main Menu Editor window and it then automatically parses the .desktop entry so that you can insert it in whatever category you want?
[06:33] <vaijr2002> why when i type cd /home/user/M<tab> doesnt it see the file thats there?
[06:33] <Xappe> what's the filesize limit for ext3 then?
[06:33] <samo22> vair: maybe have root privileges
[06:33] <vaijr2002> hmm
[06:33] <calc> http://www.linuxhq.com/lnxlists/linux-kernel/lk_9906_01/msg00001.html <- that should shed some light on what the limits are
[06:34] <Absenth> Morning all
[06:34] <vaijr2002> tried that
[06:34] <vaijr2002> i am looking at the damn dir
[06:34] <calc> but i think that is still using just 32bit size, not LFS 64bit
[06:34] <Absenth> can someone name an apt package for bit torrents?
[06:34] <vaijr2002> lol its /home/vaijr/Mplayer...
[06:34] <Glin|Jol> i am trying to mount a windows partition using fstab
[06:34] <_4strO> hi all
[06:34] <airox> Absenth: Checkout http://www.ubuntuguide.org they have a nice howto about azureus
[06:34] <Glin|Jol> my fstab entry is as follows
[06:35] <Absenth> airox danke
[06:35] <Glin|Jol> /dev/sdb1       /mnt/win_d      ntfs    defaults,ro,user    0       0
[06:35] <Seveas> Glin|Jol, let me guess: unable to read from it as a normal user?
[06:35] <Glin|Jol> when i try to cd into the directory after i have issued the command 'sudo mount /mnt/win_d' it denies me
[06:35] <vaijr2002> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:35] <Glin|Jol> Seveas, heh yeah
[06:35] <vaijr2002> go there glin
[06:35] <calc> ah the actual limit in kernel is 2TB per file
[06:35] <_4strO> how can i burn multisession Cds with nautilus-burn ??
[06:35] <vaijr2002> worked fine for me
[06:35] <Seveas> Glin|Jol, change default,ro,user to default,ro,user,fmask=0333,dmask=0222
[06:36] <vaijr2002> just remember to set it up to auto mount on boot
[06:36] <vaijr2002> brb
[06:36] <Seveas> Glin|Jol, after making that change type sudo mount -a and you're done :)
[06:37] <Amaranth> ermo: maybe
[06:37] <janc> anyone can tell me if hoary (preview) live CDs have lvm support?
[06:37] <Amaranth> ermo: that'd be close to the last thing i'd do though
[06:37] <ermo> Amaranth, ack
[06:37] <mjr> _4strO, you can't, which sucks
[06:37] <ermo> Amaranth, thx for taking the time to answer, btw!
[06:37] <Amaranth> ermo: I need to get it to work first. :P
[06:37] <Absenth> Airox, is there a way to associate .torrent files with azureus so clicking the link to one automatically starts the application?
[06:37] <Amaranth> see the forums?
[06:37] <_4strO> mjr> are u sure ?
[06:38] <_4strO> or u try with no success ?
[06:38] <ermo> Amaranth, forums? (or weren't you talking to me?)
[06:38] <Glin|Jol> Seveas, i just removed the defaults,ro,user entry and added umask=0222
[06:38] <Amaranth> ermo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21048
[06:38] <mjr> _4strO, yes, I am; I've been wrestling over that issue with the developers on bugzilla for a bit
[06:38] <Glin|Jol> Seveas, is ther anything wrong with that?
[06:38] <Glin|Jol> i can cd into the directory just fine now
[06:38] <Amaranth> ermo: you are using 0.2, right?
[06:38] <ermo> Amaranth, yes
[06:38] <_4strO> oki thx mjr
[06:38] <goldfish_> Amaranth: right click on a torrent, properties, open with >
[06:38] <_4strO> :)
[06:39] <mameluke> hrmmm... hoary doesn't include oo2 beta?
[06:39] <airox> Absenth: keine probleme :)
[06:39] <mameluke> >_<
[06:39] <goldfish_> Amaranth: or something similar
[06:39] <Amaranth> goldfish_: tell Alinux
[06:39] <Seveas> Glin|Jol, you should not remove things, just add the umask/fmask things
[06:39] <goldfish_> ahite
[06:39] <goldfish_> lol
[06:39] <goldfish_> meh
[06:39] <goldfish_> Amaranth: sorry, mis-tab :)
[06:39] <Amaranth> goldfish_: err, Absenth
[06:39] <Glin|Jol> Seveas, i added the entry by hand thats the only reason why i removed them heh
[06:39] <goldfish_> I hate irssi's bloody random tabbing
[06:39] <jalal_ubuntu> how to change the open office language plz ?
[06:39] <Glin|Jol> ive never had to add umask=0222 before
[06:39] <mjr> _4strO, see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120384 if you're interested
[06:39] <_4strO> :)
[06:40] <Seveas> Glin|Jol,: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/win_d ntfs ro,user,fmask=0222,dmask=0333 0 0
[06:40] <goldfish_> Absenth: right click a torrent, properties, open with
[06:40] <Tybor2> hi people.... except ext3 what's the "best" filesystem for a /home partition?
[06:40] <Tybor2> reiser jfs or xfs?
[06:40] <Absenth> goldfish_, danke again.
[06:40] <vaijr2002> i hate mysql
[06:40] <vaijr2002> grrrr
[06:40] <ermo> Amaranth, it *is* annoying that one has to log out, then back in to make the changes 'happen'. There ought to be a hook to 'update' the menu in the current session (which, incidentally, should be called when one presses 'save' in Menu Editor)
[06:40] <sig> mysql is nice
[06:40] <Amaranth> ermo: I don't think gnome-menus can do that.
[06:40] <vaijr2002> i cant configure mysql gettin some mysqld sock error grrrr
[06:41] <vaijr2002> sig do you know alot about mysql
[06:41] <Amaranth> ermo: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes user overrides work, sometimes they don't. gnome-menus is very weird.
[06:41] <tck> anyone else not getting sounds working in amsn 0.94-1 on hoary
[06:41] <ermo> Amaranth, well, sounds like you thinkt that it's annoying too (it *should* be possible don't you agree?)
[06:42] <Amaranth> ermo: It's possible in KDE. :P
[06:42] <vaijr2002> is there a newbie guide to setting up mysql
[06:42] <vaijr2002> something really simple
[06:42] <jalal_ubuntu> how to change the open office interface language  plz ?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Tybor2: unless you have special needs, it won't make much difference
[06:42] <vaijr2002> i need to make a database, and add accts
[06:42] <ermo> Amaranth, apparently KDE has the menu thing down tight.
[06:42] <ermo> Amaranth, I won't give up my gnome, though.
[06:42] <Amaranth> ermo: They should, the menu spec is based on the menu system they already had.
[06:43] <mjr> jalal_ubuntu, openoffice uses the usual locale settings, but you need to have openoffice.org-l10n-XX packages for your country code installed
[06:43] <mjr> or well, language code
[06:43] <vaijr2002> can someone help me with mysql pleeeease
[06:43] <jalal_ubuntu> mjr, ok i'll try
[06:43] <ermo> Amaranth, ... which also tells me that they engineered it correctly. The goodly gnome-devs have something to catch up to, it would seem. But they're probably plenty busy as it is.
[06:44] <toni^> vaijr2002: /join #mysql
[06:44] <vaijr2002> been there lol
[06:44] <vaijr2002> they keep telling me to go to the site
[06:44] <vaijr2002> i am pretty much a newbie to linux, and its all kinda confusing
[06:44] <vaijr2002> hoping to get some nice person to walk me through it
[06:44] <vaijr2002> i am just trying to install a program that needs mysql and i am kinda lost
[06:45] <^thehatsrule^> install mysql?
[06:45] <vaijr2002> its installed
[06:45] <vaijr2002> but i need to configure it for a program
[06:45] <^thehatsrule^> then set up a user/password according to your program
[06:45] <vaijr2002> i dont know how
[06:45] <ermo> vaijr2002, hate to say it, but there's probably no way around reading a bit, although I'm sure the reading you've done so far has only added to the confusion...
[06:45] <vaijr2002> true ermo
[06:46] <vaijr2002> i dont lean well by reading
[06:46] <vaijr2002> easier for me to have someone show me or do it, and tell me what they did, or show me
[06:46] <Tybor2> thoreauputic, thanks.... I've read that reiser could be much faster than ext3...
[06:46] <vaijr2002> reiserfs is supposed to be awsome
[06:46] <thoreauputic> vaijr2002: with that learning style, IRC is probably not helpful
[06:46] <^thehatsrule^> Tybor2, for small files, yes
[06:46] <Absenth> How well does Ubuntu run on a P2 266 with 128mb of ram?
[06:47] <vaijr2002> lol thoreauputic
[06:47] <ermo> vaijr2002, I know the feeling - sorry I can't help, I'm not much of a DBA myself.
[06:47] <^thehatsrule^> prolly ok... Absenth
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Tybor2: for certain specialised tasks, maybe
[06:47] <mjr> Absenth, might be sluggish, but not unbearable
[06:47] <vaijr2002> ok me gonna go try #mysql
[06:47] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, think something like slackware or vector linux might be faster?
[06:47] <vaijr2002> thanks everyone, take care
[06:47] <mjr> Absenth, especially good that it has a 3-figure amount of RAM
[06:47] <^thehatsrule^> yea...
[06:47] <^thehatsrule^> ramdisk needs 100mb of ram
[06:48] <^thehatsrule^> if livecd
[06:48] <^thehatsrule^> but i think hd-install is much much better :P
[06:48] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I'd be doing a full hard drive install.
[06:48] <mjr> Absenth, still, you might want to consider using xfce4 instead of gnome; it's lighter
[06:48] <mjr> Absenth, but you can try first if gnome is too slow for you
[06:48] <Absenth> mjr that's a good idea.  I don't dislike xfce :)
[06:48] <^thehatsrule^> fluxbox!
[06:48] <^thehatsrule^> :D
[06:49] <ermo> Absenth, ... and since it's gtk2, dnd mostly works
[06:49] <thoreauputic> me too for fluxbox! :D
[06:49] <Absenth> The only place I've used fluxbox was Knoppix STD 1.0
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> i like the gnome interface in ubuntu tho... somehow
[06:50] <^thehatsrule^> heh its very light...
[06:51] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I recently adjusted my FC3 install at work to look a lot more like my Ubuntu install.  I like the top/bottom toolbars.  and the organization of applications on the menus are the best I've seen on a default install.
[06:52] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, Mad Penguin reviewed Hoary, and Xandros 3.0 Deluxe.  I think they're crazy for liking the menu layout on Xandros better.
[06:52] <zenrox> i agree
[06:52] <zenrox> i like the menu org.... on ubuntu
[06:52] <mellinux> Hey fellas, is there a program or option for Ubuntu that'll enable two monitors side by side?
[06:53] <ermo> mellinux, Xinerama
[06:53] <zenrox> mellinux,  yes but you got to do it manuley
[06:53] <mjr> mellinux, the X server can do that, but you need to configure it manually
[06:53] <JDahl> mellinux, that's pretty standard in all linux distros
[06:53] <mjr> does it echo here? :)
[06:53] <mellinux> no kidding
[06:53] <mellinux> wow
[06:53] <zenrox> lol
[06:53] <mellinux> that was quite a response, thanks
[06:53] <^thehatsrule^> heh well Absenth, i normally use flux for most stuff
[06:53] <mellinux> okay, so Xinerama = X server?
[06:53] <zenrox> suse is the only distro that has a gui tool for it
[06:53] <mjr> Xinerama is a feature of the X server
[06:54] <zenrox> witch is also a ferture of nvidia drivers
[06:54] <ermo> mellinux, a 'module' if you will
[06:54] <mellinux> Sweet, is the X server in Ubuntu or do I need to download it.
[06:54] <Zane> is there any rpm installer or pacjake manager available with ubuntu
[06:54] <mjr> (though Xinerama is not strictly necessary for dual-head, most people probably expect a Xinerama dual head system when they think of dual head)
[06:54] <mjr> mellinux, it's the thing you probably already run Gnome on
[06:54] <ermo> mellinux, so, it should be there you see
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Zane:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Zane: that's what you need :)
[06:55] <lrojas> hi all
[06:55] <mjr> mellinux, see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/
[06:55] <Zane> oh
[06:55] <mjr> mellinux, substitute /etc/X11/xorg.conf for XF86Config-4 if you're running Hoary
[06:55] <lrojas> i have a question, how can i refresh the media automounter in ubuntu?
[06:55] <mellinux> I'm running Warty.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Zane: tha link will tell you how
[06:56] <Zane> thanx thoreautic
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Zane: no worries :)
[06:56] <ermo> mellinux, I used the ressource mjr pointed to. What video card do you have?
[06:56] <mellinux> ..but I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to installing programs on linux.
[06:56] <zenrox> lrojas,  open system montor and end task the nautilus
[06:56] <mellinux> GeForce FX 5200
[06:56] <zenrox> it will re start
[06:56] <arnaud__> does any of you know how to turn off ipv6 lookups ??? (especially in apt)
[06:56] <mellinux> There's obviously 2 VGA ports on the back.
[06:56] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here use a wireless atheros card?
[06:57] <mjr> mellinux, then, if you use nvidia's binary drivers, you might want to use nvidia's twinview feature, which gives you 3d acceleration (which, I believe, doesn't work with plain xinerama on those drivers)
[06:57] <lrojas> zenrox, it didnt work...
[06:57] <mjr> mellinux, see eg. http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2001-Jun/att-3012/01-TWINVIEW_README for that
[06:57] <lrojas> perhapos if i explain my problem further...
[06:57] <zenrox> lrojas,  dont know any orhter way
[06:58] <zenrox> lrojas,  that be a good idea
[06:58] <lrojas> i have an iPod, sometimes it gets mounted, sometimes it dont...
[06:58] <mjr> mellinux, or http://alufis35.uv.es/spip/article66.html , or google ;)
[06:58] <mellinux> Thanks, mjr.
[06:58] <lrojas> basically i cant figure out why sometimes when i connect the ipod it sends the mount signal
[06:58] <ermo> mjr, I just found out yesterday that the DRI ati radeon drivers won't go into direct rendering mode when using Xinerama, and thus, won't have 3D accel
[06:58] <lrojas> and other times it dont
[06:58] <zenrox> lrojas, it probly is getting mounted every time  just not in the same spot
[06:58] <lrojas> zenrox, so i was wondering...
[06:59] <ermo> mjr, did you watch formula one?
[06:59] <lrojas> well, when it does get mounted i find it at /media/ipod
[06:59] <mjr> ermo, yah, but X.org has "mergedfb" support for that, which basically does the same thing as twinview on nvidia
[06:59] <mjr> no
[06:59] <lrojas> so, i was wondering what subsystem handles the /media directory
[06:59] <ermo> mjr, "mergedfb"?
[06:59] <lrojas> to see if i can make it mount it
[07:00] <zenrox> lrojas,  you can manuly mount it
[07:00] <lrojas> how?
[07:00] <ermo> mjr, does that imply running X on the framebuffer?
[07:00] <mjr> ermo, essentially the same as xinerama, but the frame buffer is arranged to be one big canvas in the video card memory
[07:00] <lrojas> is connected to the firewire port
[07:00] <mjr> ermo, no
[07:00] <zenrox> lrojas,  sudo mount -t filesystemhere /dev/location /media/ipod
[07:01] <ermo> mjr, is it stable yet?
[07:01] <lrojas> and how do i find what /dev/ is my ipod?
[07:01] <mjr> 'course, there are limitations on it; eg. the radeons up to 9250 won't do 3d acceleration on over 2048 pixels (but stuff that stays within those bounds does work)
[07:01] <mjr> (even if the total resolution is higher)
[07:01] <mjr> ermo, yes
[07:01] <zenrox> lrojas,  find out when it auto mounts it or plug it in and reboot
[07:02] <ermo> mjr, so, you are using mergedfb?
[07:02] <lrojas> ok
[07:02] <lrojas> thanks
[07:02] <zenrox> then look in the system montor agine
[07:02] <mjr> ermo, yes, on hoary
[07:02] <mjr> ermo, and I've played long games of nwn on it without problems ;)
[07:03] <ermo> mjr, *yiippeeeeee*
[07:03] <ermo> mjr, link?
[07:03] <dieffel> hi all! Anyone who can recommand a good FTP-server with GUI for Ubuntu?
[07:03] <zenrox> mjr,  another nwn player here
[07:03] <zenrox> woohoo
[07:03] <^thehatsrule^> proftpd... is the only one i know of - theres prolly a gui somewhere too
[07:04] <thoreauputic> dieffel: why do you need a GUI for an ftp server??
[07:04] <dieffel> i think its the most simple for me right now.
[07:04] <^thehatsrule^> guess for adding users?
[07:05] <^thehatsrule^> dunno, maybe he likes the point-click ;p
[07:05] <dieffel> thoreauputic, what can u recommend?
[07:05] <Absenth> What's wrong with point and click?
[07:05] <dieffel> thats why i uswe ubuntu :)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> dieffel: proftpd - but don't know anout the GUI part
[07:05] <mjr> ermo, don't have a good one; google around. I can send you my config though if you like?
[07:05] <Absenth> don't get me wrong, the command line is my friend.  but after a half dozen beers, point an click require less brain power.
[07:06] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[07:06] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know what the latest stable kernel is?  I need to to do my Madwifi install
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Absenth: hehe - admining a server after 6 beers? *grin*
[07:06] <Absenth> thoreauputic, what's wrong with that?
[07:07] <thoreauputic> nothing, have fun  :)
[07:07] <ermo> mjr, sure thing. Perhaps just paste the relevant section in a /query?
[07:07] <Absenth> heh....
[07:07] <mjr> ermo, nah, I'll save some of the bother for you ;)
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Absenth: can we have the IP for your server, so we can play too ?
[07:07] <Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I'm a lot more likely to rm -Rf /home/* after 6 beers then to give full access to everyone.
[07:07] <mjr> ermo, I have multiple configurations there so don't get confused
[07:08] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[07:08] <mjr> the RadeonM one is for merged framebuffer
[07:08] <Glin|Jol> i am currently using kunbuntu
[07:08] <Glin|Jol> and i am having a real hard time editing my kde meus
[07:08] <Glin|Jol> i use kmenuedit but noone of the changes i make are saved
[07:09] <Doomhammer> guys, how do I get Ubuntu to recognize my IDE tape drive?
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Glin|Jol: /join #kubuntu, I suggest :)
[07:09] <Absenth> thoreauputic, I could give you an account on this machine if you like.  the chances you could get to it from there however are pretty slim.
[07:09] <mjr> ermo, here's a somewhat relevant link too: http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/xorg-alpha.html
[07:09] <bung__> anyone know of a neat way to have java 1.4 and 1.5 on the same box?
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Absenth: yeah, i was kidding :)
[07:09] <Absenth> thoreauputic, this one only allows remote access from one specific host on the external interface.
[07:09] <ermo> mjr, what's that "Composite" thing? alpha-blending?
[07:09] <^thehatsrule^> bung_, why would you need both?
[07:09] <Glin|Jol> thoreauputic: heh thanks
[07:10] <airox> ermo: and shadows ;)
[07:10] <bung__> because I trust 1.4, but I need to use 1.5 for some practical :)
[07:10] <mjr> ermo, oh yeah, that's the composite extension, which isn't just for that, but yeah, you can do stuff like that with it
[07:10] <Doomhammer> how do I get Ubuntu to recognize my IDE tape drive, and have it in /dev so I can mount it?
[07:10] <SeeleyUSMC> should I use the latest stable kernel?
[07:10] <mjr> ermo, by the way, it's not suggested to be used with 3d accel currently, and is dubbed otherwise unstable too ;)
[07:11] <mjr> I don't really use composite day-to-day, but I like to have it enabled if I want to test something out
[07:11] <thoreauputic> bung__: 1.5 seems to work OK here
[07:11] <Absenth> finally....  my office is <20c
[07:11] <Doomhammer> how do I get Ubuntu to recognize my IDE tape drive, and have it in /dev so I can mount it?
[07:11] <LinuxJones> Doomhammer, this might help ?? >> http://www.aplawrence.com/Bofcusm/2043.html
[07:11] <thoreauputic> bung__: ah, but I just have the jre
[07:11] <bung__> I know it'd probably work
[07:11] <Trixisity> Hey all, just new on ubuntu now for about 2 hours, how does one deal with rpm's?
[07:11] <bung__> but I'd rather have the fallback.
[07:12] <Doomhammer> LinuxJones: yes, however, I don't have a /dev/ht0
[07:12] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Hey :)
[07:12] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: one doesn't - ubuntu uses debs
[07:12] <Absenth> Trixisity, I know there's some app that converts rpm
[07:12] <Doomhammer> as far as Ubuntu is concerned, I dont' have a tape drive
[07:12] <Trixisity> okay
[07:12] <Trixisity> thanks
[07:12] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:12] <DarthFrog> Hi SeeleyUSMC, Good morning.
[07:12] <Trixisity> just compile from scratch then?
[07:12] <Absenth> Trixisity, I know there's some app that converts rpm's to .deb files, however I've yet to find an rpm that didn't have an apt equiv.
[07:12] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: read the link above
[07:12] <Trixisity> o
[07:12] <Trixisity> k
[07:12] <Trixisity> limewire
[07:12] <bung__> Absenth: alien, I think it's called
[07:13] <LinuxJones> Doomhammer, you might search google for makedev ide tape drive
[07:13] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: according to the madwifi howto, I'm supposed to use the latest kernel, should I get the latest kernel from kernel.org?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: for jave, read http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:13] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your kernel is recent enough.
[07:13] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: I meant * java of course
[07:14] <bung__> thoreauputic: I couldn't see anything handy for having both 1.4 and 1.5
[07:14] <Trixisity> yes
[07:14] <Trixisity> thanks
[07:14] <plagerism> For k3b to handle mp3s what package needs to be installed??
[07:14] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: so I shouldn't worry about downloading the newest kernel?
[07:14] <bung__> gentoo has java-select for this, which is neat.
[07:14] <thoreauputic> bung__: coudn't it be installed in /opt or something?
[07:15] <bung__> there are a load of symlinks in /etc/alternatives
[07:15] <AMIGrAve> is there a Aoss package in ubuntu ?
[07:15] <bung__> but I'm not sure if there's an automagical way to manage them
[07:15] <thoreauputic> bung__: update-alternatives?
[07:16] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone has a link handy for surround sound on an nForce2 motherboard's onboard sound?
[07:16] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Nope.  You can try getting the latest Ubuntu kernel via synaptic, though.  Make sure you do a Reload first, then search for linux-image.
[07:16] <bung__> thoreauputic: never heard of it, ta
[07:16] <Absenth> something that will hopefully work in cedega
[07:16] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
[07:16] <tck> anyone know where to get the w32codecs for hoary ?
[07:16] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I just got the latest and greatest madwifi and now Im reading up on it
[07:16] <sal002> Anyone have problems with grub in warty after doing as apt-get upgrade?
[07:17] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: :-)
[07:17] <sal002> I get a file not found looking for the -5-pkg-tmp kernel.  Only kernel found is -3 which segfaults
[07:17] <DarthFrog> sal002: Nope, its worked every time.
[07:17] <sal002> Hmmm...Is there a way to probe in grub to see what kernels I have installed (look at the filesystem)?
[07:18] <DarthFrog> sal002: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:18] <sal002> DarthFrog: What kernel are you running?
[07:18] <Absenth> Whoever suggested Alien as the tool to convert .RPM to .DEB was right on the money.  It appears to have a problem where it looses dependencies, which leads me to believe Apt or Synaptic is a much better way to go if at all possible.
[07:18] <Glin|Jol> how can i search for a specific package using apt-get
[07:18] <sal002> I can't boot into Ubuntu right now
[07:18] <restrex> who knows a howto of the pearpc package at ubuntu?
[07:18] <Glin|Jol> i am trying to install mplayer
[07:18] <Smeve1> error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so <-- i keep getting that error
[07:18] <Glin|Jol> and apt-get install mplayer says there are no packages
[07:18] <restrex> I've seen it at ubuntu hoary.
[07:18] <restrex> ?
[07:18] <sal002> apt-cache search mplayer
[07:18] <restrex> Glin|Jol you've to compile it.
[07:18] <DarthFrog> sal002: 2.6.10-5-k7
[07:19] <Glin|Jol> restrex: !!!
[07:19] <Glin|Jol> arg
[07:19] <restrex> Glin|Jol it's easy
[07:19] <Smeve1> error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so <-- i what do i need to do to fix that
[07:19] <sal002> Darth: Have you done an apt-get upgrade recently?
[07:19] <Absenth> WooT!  that's the kernel I'm running.
[07:19] <restrex> Glin|Jol you have to install some packages =)
[07:19] <restrex> and compile it.
[07:19] <arek> Glin|Jol: apt-cache search mplayer but there is no :)
[07:19] <Glin|Jol> restrex: yeah i can compile
[07:19] <Absenth> I do think the machine acts a bit snappier now that I'm running the K7 vs the noarch kernel.
[07:19] <Glin|Jol> just surprised
[07:19] <DarthFrog> sal002: I'm doing update and dist-upgrade daily.
[07:20] <DarthFrog> sal002: Just did one.
[07:20] <restrex> Glin|Jol what architecture?
[07:20] <Absenth> Glin|Jol, did you add the universe and multiverse?
[07:20] <Glin|Jol> restrex: i686
[07:20] <sal002> Hmmm...why did it update my grub to point to some -tmp-pkg kernel
[07:20] <Glin|Jol> Absenth: not that i know of, what is that
[07:20] <restrex> ok
[07:20] <restrex> install it from multiverse
[07:20] <DarthFrog> Absenth: :-)  Well, at least you know that you're running a kernel tailored to your architecture.
[07:20] <sal002> Can the install CD boot to a point where I can mount the filesystem?
[07:20] <restrex> =)
[07:21] <Absenth> Glin|Jol, /etc/apt/sources.list add the following
[07:21] <Absenth> coming in a msg
[07:23] <dolphy> what's the equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/iptables (Fedora) on Ubuntu? Which init.d script will load firewall rules ?
[07:23] <wjesusaxl> hey guys ....
[07:24] <wjesusaxl> I've got problems switching to KDE from GNOME
[07:24] <wjesusaxl> I can't apt-get install kde-core..
[07:24] <malte__> what's apt-get say?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> dolphy: Good question, don't know the answer.  Do you have a firewall installed?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <wjesusaxl> what_
[07:25] <dolphy> DarthFrog: well i ve a big iptables file from my old fedora installation
[07:25] <dolphy> DarthFrog: and i m trying to migrate to ubuntu :)
[07:25] <Absenth> DarthFrog, would that command give you both KDE and Gnome as options from the login window?
[07:25] <wjesusaxl> there are a lot of unmet dependencies
[07:25] <sal002> My /boot/initrd is gone for -5
[07:25] <malte__> Absenth, yes :)
[07:25] <malte__> uhm
[07:25] <dolphy> DarthFrog: iptables-restore < my_file works...
[07:25] <DarthFrog> dolphy: Pull it over and write your own script?  Or load the rules from rc.local?
[07:25] <Absenth> That's awesome....
[07:25] <sal002> Is the live cd the only way I will be able to view my filesystem if I can no longer boot?
[07:26] <DarthFrog> Absenth: It should.
[07:26] <dolphy> DarthFrog: ok so there's nothing prepared for that then. I'll handle it myself
[07:26] <DarthFrog> dolphy: Urk!  I didn't say that.  I said I didn't know.
[07:26] <dolphy> DarthFrog: and for ip forwarding in sysctl ? Do i have to manually edit /etc/init.d/networking ?
[07:26] <wjesusaxl> I have so many unmet dependencies
[07:26] <sal002> And is there current a problem with iptables?
[07:26] <dolphy> DarthFrog: ah sorry :)
[07:27] <sal002> Alternatively, has anyone safely done an apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary from warty?
[07:27] <DarthFrog> dolphy: I've seen nothing about IP forwarding.  You might want to google for it.
[07:27] <dolphy> sal002: i just did
[07:27] <LinuxJones> sal002, most everybody
[07:27] <DarthFrog> sal002: It's safe.
[07:27] <wjesusaxl> can't install KDE!!! help me out!
[07:27] <LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, what's the problem ?
[07:27] <dolphy> DarthFrog: i'll do. thx
[07:27] <DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: Hey bud, I already told you what to do.
[07:28] <wjesusaxl> but it didn't work
[07:28] <DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:28] <LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:28] <wjesusaxl> more unmet dependencies
[07:28] <DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: What are you running?
[07:28] <wjesusaxl> already done...
[07:28] <wjesusaxl> ubunut
[07:28] <sal002> Okay...I'll do that later today...warty is giving me so many problems ;)
[07:28] <DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: Warty or Hoary?
[07:28] <wjesusaxl> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:28] <wjesusaxl> Hoary
[07:28] <SeeleyUSMC> I can't seem to find out what the latest wireless tools version is
[07:28] <LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, what files have unmet dependencies can you post them to www.pastebin.ca ?
[07:28] <SeeleyUSMC> anyone know?
[07:28] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's installed.
[07:29] <wjesusaxl> wait a sec
[07:29] <sal002> Too bad I have to wait until I download the live cd to test it out.
[07:29] <mdz> SeeleyUSMC: 27-1ubuntu1 in hoary
[07:29] <DarthFrog> sal002: Why?
[07:29] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: so 27-1 is the latest?
[07:29] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: They'll do you just fine. :-)  That's not the problem.
[07:30] <wjesusaxl> done
[07:30] <wjesusaxl> http://www.pastebin.com/260645
[07:30] <dolphy> DarthFrog: found it :) /etc/network/options
[07:30] <wjesusaxl> that's when I tried kubuntu-desktop
[07:31] <sal002> DarthFrog: I can't boot in.  Grub either gives me "File Not Found" or I get some nasty debugging message with -3 kernel
[07:31] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your problem is that your mini-PCI Atheros chip doesn't seem to be  supported by the version of madwifi that you have installed.   I'm not really thinking that compiling from CVS will change that but lets give it a shot.
[07:31] <Absenth> Alright, I've got Ubuntu Hoary on a 2400+, Xandros 3.0 on a 1900+,  what should I install on the P2 266?
[07:31] <LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, yikes
[07:31] <AMIGrAve> under firefox, the file dialog is not the same under debian (don't know if it's due to newer version or a gnome config) How can I use the same file dialog than debian ?
[07:31] <sal002> Absenth: Crux
[07:31] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Put Gentoo from Stage One on the P2 266. :-)
[07:32] <wjesusaxl> What happened?
[07:32] <LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, can you try to install kdebase kdm and see if it pulls down enough of kde to get your up and running for now ?
[07:32] <DarthFrog> sal002:  did you bugger up your menu.lst file?
[07:32] <zenrox> wjesusaxl, or sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:32] <wjesusaxl> nop...
[07:33] <sal002> Darth: How do I do that in grub?
[07:33] <mattgirv> Hey I am running Openbox at the moment, but how can I get it to run certain applications when I start it?
[07:33] <mattgirv> (I start it through GDM)
[07:33] <LinuxJones> zenrox, there are unmet dependencies with kubuntu-desktop
[07:33] <Absenth> ok, Gentoo is out of the question....  Portage is cool, but if I wanted that I'd load openbsd and have real ports :)
[07:33] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  like what
[07:33] <LinuxJones> zenrox, >> http://www.pastebin.com/260645
[07:33] <Absenth> sal002, what's Crux?
[07:33] <wjesusaxl> it's still not working :(
[07:33] <sal002> absenth: crux.nu - small distro
[07:34] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  thats odd
[07:34] <LinuxJones> zenrox, I'm sure it will get fixed for him within a day or so
[07:34] <Absenth> I'll be honest, the 266 will likely be used mostly for booting diskless to one of the other two computers via LTSP.
[07:34] <Absenth> but it'd be nice to have an OS on it as well.
[07:35] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  ya it sould be
[07:35] <mattgirv> anyone have an idea?
[07:35] <sal002> I would do Crux....or be more adventerous and do ReactOS
[07:35] <sal002> Actually, if you don't need Linux - do BeOS
[07:35] <LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, you should join #kubuntu and let them know there are some problems with the desktop package.
[07:35] <DarthFrog> sal002: You can have command line editing in grub.  You can tell it at boot time, by editing the command line, what kernel to boot, where it is, what your root device is, etc.  The syntax is identical to what you see in /etc/boot/menu.lst.  You must first figure out what is going wrong (sounds like it doesn't know where your kernel is, should be in /boot) then tell it what to do.
[07:35] <plagerism> Why doesnt K3B support mp3s in Ubunto hoary?? It doesnt even depend on libmad0??
[07:35] <Absenth> downloading crux now, going to look at React in a min or two :)
[07:36] <sal002> DarthFrog: Yep - but I need to know which kernel to boot - and I don't know what is on the system without booting into Linux - which I cannot do.  Catch-22
[07:36] <Absenth> sal002, where does one aquire a working iso of beos these days?  I've looked and never come across one.
[07:36] <plagerism> Is there any other good burning software that supports mp3s in Hoary??
[07:36] <sal002> bebits.com
[07:36] <zenwhen> plagerism, yes
[07:36] <Xappe> plagerism, graveman and/or gnomebaker
[07:36] <zenwhen> graveman
[07:36] <zenwhen> beaten
[07:36] <zenwhen> graveman is great
[07:36] <sal002> Absenth: http://www.bebits.com/app/3148
[07:37] <plagerism> So is there actually a reason why K3B doesnt support mp3s in HOary??  Or is that just a mistake??
[07:37] <DarthFrog> sal002: You can boot the live CD and look at the file system.  You can edit menu.lst so that it's correct and grub should then boot your system properly.  Unlike LILO, grub doesn't need anything more to process changes in its config file.
[07:37] <zenwhen> K3b supports mp3's on my system
[07:37] <Hannes_> can I mount a EXT2 partition from livecd?
[07:37] <zenwhen> wait maybe it doesnt
[07:37] <plagerism> okay then perhaps its just the Amd64 port
[07:37] <Absenth> sal002, Danke
[07:37] <vordul> plagerism - Could it be because of copyright reasons?
[07:37] <zenwhen> who needs it when you can use graveman
[07:38] <plagerism> zenwhen if its good then I wont complain, I just like k3b its a good solid all-in-one
[07:38] <HillTop> The famous fork bomb was mentioned in the news and Debian was not effected (servives).  http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308   Do I dare try it on Hoary?
[07:38] <DarthFrog> plagerism: Like your nick, MP3 are not free. :-)  You can get MP3 support from the Multiverse repository.
[07:39] <DarthFrog> HillTop: Go for it!  Let us know if you survive. :-)
[07:39] <calc> HillTop: someone in the thread about that claimed that debian was effected as well and the author just didn't test it, so try at your own risk ;)
[07:39] <wonderone> can anyone tell me why some upgrades with hoary cause the system to become slow and sluggish? I'm experiencing it now, and have done in the past.
[07:39] <DarthFrog> wonderone: Use top as a diagnostic tool.
[07:40] <elshadii> I'm trying to find a how to that will explain the steps to get a root account in ubuntu can someone help?
[07:40] <calc> i do know in the past i have taken debian down with a fork bomb but that was several years ago
[07:40] <DarthFrog> elshadii: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[07:40] <elshadii> ok thank you!!
[07:40] <wonderone> DarthFrog, which stat should I look at? I dont see any out of control processes
[07:40] <HillTop> DarthFrog, Aaak, Actually I'm not in Hoary now (pclinuxos) but I might just try it in the live CD next time it is up.
[07:40] <DarthFrog> wonderone: Keep monitoring.  Get to know what's going on, on your system.
[07:42] <wonderone> hard to find, when i dont know what i'm looking for though.and i've not installed anything new, only upgraded. so i assume it's a broken program or something
[07:42] <gasteiz23> hi
[07:42] <mattgirv> Can someone help me with the GDM Xsession files, I have Openbox and would like to launch more than Openbox, when choosing that through GDM... I have the Openbox.desktop file open, and there is Exec=openbox, can I add commands to this?
[07:45] <Dr_Aevil> hi guys - I notice that alsaconf seems to be missing from the alsa packages provided by ubuntu in hoary - what do you use in ubuntu to configure alsa? or are you reduced to editing /etc/modlues.conf, /etc/modprobe.conf, I think it's /etc/modprobe.d/* in hoary?
[07:45] <LinuxJones> Dr_Aevil, manually editing :(
[07:45] <odie5533> Can you change your mouse cursor on Gnome?
[07:46] <Dr_Aevil> LinuxJones: ah, ok thanks - just wanted to check before I spent any time when there is a nice config tool I just hadn't noticed :)
[07:46] <LinuxJones> ;)
[07:46] <Dr_Aevil> my housemate has installed ubuntu and he wants his nice 5.1 surround working - he's trying to get the nforce drivers to work, but it loads the intel ones in preference; I shall go make it load nvsound now :)
[07:47] <Spooks> Someone explain to this newb how I install this updated version of Firefox now I've downloaded it please?
[07:47] <DarthFrog> Spooks: Where did you get it from?
[07:47] <mattgirv> Spooks: Are you running Warty then.
[07:47] <Spooks> The official site
[07:47] <Spooks> I am, yes
[07:47] <mattgirv> Because if you are I suggest you just add the Backports Repos,
[07:47] <mattgirv> That would probably be the safest bet to get Firefox 1
[07:48] <Spooks> That went straight over my head
[07:48] <mattgirv> www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:48] <DarthFrog> mattgirv: Do you have a URL for backports?
[07:48] <odie5533> Is it possible to change the cursor on Ubuntu Gnome?
[07:48] <mattgirv> Yeah one sec, I will get you a direct link
[07:48] <mattgirv> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47
[07:48] <mattgirv> :)
[07:48] <zenrox> odie5533,  get gcurser
[07:49] <zenrox> gcursor
[07:49] <zenrox> for the repos
[07:49] <sal002> I'll try out the livecd
[07:49] <zenrox> from
[07:49] <indiefusion> I'm having trouble getting my Envy24 sound card (driver snd-ice1724) working.  When I modprobe, I get no errors, but Ubuntu will not detect it.  It shows up in lspci
[07:49] <phxguy> Can anyone here Help a newbie with installing the nvidia drivers....
[07:49] <odie5533> downloading
[07:49] <zenrox> phxguy,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:49] <DarthFrog> Spooks:  What mattgirv means, is don't install the software that you downloaded.  Instead, use the Ubuntu package manager (Synaptic) to get it from the backports repository (read the URL he just posted).  It's best to not put software on your system except through the package mangement system.
[07:49] <punkrockguy318> Is there any way I can write a script to change all my GNOME default font sizes?  I want a quick way to change my fonts sizes for when i'm in front of the computer or far away...
[07:50] <mattgirv> DarthFrog and Spooks if you check this site out as well : http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ it will tell you everything
[07:50] <phxguy> zenrox,  Im there now but for some reason i get an error when i enter the command from the root terminal nautilus applications:///System
[07:50] <encKe`> Ubuntu as a server......  any comments?
[07:50] <zenrox> that doent work in hoary
[07:50] <zenrox> phxguy,
[07:51] <phxguy> zenrox, It says :applications:///System is not a valid location.:
[07:51] <mattgirv> Yeah they got rid of that I think, in Gnome 2.10
[07:51] <zenrox> phxguy,  ya thats broke in hoary
[07:51] <DarthFrog> mattgirv: Thanks.  I've added it to my list of helpful URLs. :-)
[07:51] <zenrox> phxguy,  but the rest works
[07:51] <phxguy> zenrox, Any workarounds???
[07:52] <mattgirv> DarthFrog: No probs, in all honesty, I would give the Hoary Preview Release a go, its very stable for me :)
[07:52] <mattgirv> (but it might not be for you, but its definately worth a try anyway :P)
[07:52] <zenrox> phxguy,  get the gnome menu editor and add it to the menu manuley
[07:52] <phxguy> zenrox, so should I just skip that command and move on???
[07:52] <zenrox> phxguy,  yep
[07:52] <DarthFrog> mattgirv: hehe, I've been running it for quite a while.  You and I were both trying to help a newbie.
[07:53] <mattgirv> phxguy: A good menu editor is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705 :)
[07:53] <zenrox> mattgirv,  is right that one works
[07:53] <DarthFrog> Spooks: Also have a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:54] <phxguy> mattgirv, I tried installing that last night and couldn't get it to install
[07:54] <mattgirv> zenrox, yeah I like that one, but you cannot delete entries, still miles better than nothing :D
[07:54] <mattgirv> phxguy, you downloaded and then did an "alien -i packagename.i386.deb" ?
[07:54] <phxguy> yup
[07:54] <zenrox> mattgirv,  agreed
[07:55] <mattgirv> hmm strange, worked for me
[07:55] <phxguy> thats is what I did mattgirv
[07:55] <Trixisity> What kinda P2P programs do any of you use?
[07:55] <mattgirv> what went wrong?
[07:55] <phxguy> i can try it again....
[07:55] <mattgirv> yeah, tell me if it gives any errors
[07:55] <zenrox> Trixisity,  limewire
[07:55] <plagerism> graveman I like, its exactly what I was looking for.  Thank yo
[07:55] <Xappe> Trixisity, linuxdcpp for direct connect (and sometimes valknut)
[07:55] <mattgirv> Limewire Pro here, very nice imo :)
[07:56] <Trixisity> how did you install that on ubuntu zenrox?
[07:56] <mattgirv> I have heard, erm I forgot its name lol, but it supports basically ALL the p2p networks, couldnt get it working well though :(
[07:56] <zenrox> Trixisity,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:56] <mattgirv> And it had an awful interface.
[07:56] <Xappe> oh, I read peer to peer
[07:56] <Trixisity> where can I find an APT package?
[07:56] <Trixisity> yes I've been to that side
[07:56] <plagerism> mattgirv edonkey
[07:56] <mattgirv> Hmm,
[07:56] <plagerism> it made no sense
[07:56] <zenrox> Trixisity, its on that site and how to install it
[07:56] <mattgirv> Might of been edonkey,
[07:57] <Trixisity> ow missed that tnx alot zenrox
[07:57] <plagerism> it was if you are talking about terrible interface, I could never get it to work
[07:57] <encKe`> how many chans are you allowed to join on Freenode??
[07:57] <mattgirv> plagerism, lol :P
[07:57] <roey> hi
[07:57] <thoreauputic> encKe`: as many as you like , AFAIK
[07:57] <zenrox> hello roam
[07:57] <roey> [13:56]  <roey> what's kubuntu's default root password
[07:57] <roey> [13:56]  <roey> I try the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[07:57] <zenrox> err roey
[07:57] <roey> [13:56]  <billytwowilly> there is no root password.
[07:57] <roey> [13:57]  <roey> but there apparently is a password set.
[07:57] <roey> hmm?
[07:58] <encKe`> hmmm....... mine wont get past 4
[07:58] <encKe`> dont see anyting in xchat to change it
[07:58] <phxguy> mattgirv, Wierd Seems to install okay that time....
[07:58] <punkrockguy318> does a dualdesktop work smoothly with ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop?
[07:58] <alican> Hi all
[07:59] <mattgirv> phxguy, lol :)
[07:59] <DarthFrog> punkrockguy318: Yes
[07:59] <punkrockguy318> DarthFrog, what DM would be used? gdm? kdm?
[07:59] <DarthFrog> punkrockguy318: Could use either.
[07:59] <DarthFrog> punkrockguy318: You can set it to use the one you want.
[07:59] <punkrockguy318> alright
[07:59] <Absenth> anyone here a Cedega user?
[08:00] <Spooks> k, added the lines explained to sources.list, but I can't save. Any ideas?
[08:00] <punkrockguy318> Absenth, yes, why?
[08:00] <mattgirv> Does anyone know how I can get Openbox to start pypanel and torsmo when I load it through GDM?
[08:00] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, what file system to you use?
[08:01] <punkrockguy318> Absenth, reiserfs
[08:01] <phxguy> mattgirv, I have another question.... When i throw something in the trash.... it doesn't show up there....
[08:01] <DarthFrog> Spooks: Did you do it via sudo?  You have to have root priviliges for that.
[08:01] <phxguy> mattgirv, but if i goto .Trash it is showing there....
[08:01] <Spooks> ah
[08:01] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, is there a pretty visable performance gain over ext3?
[08:01] <Tilos> Should I try Warty or Hoary? (Does Warty have Gnome 2.8?)
[08:01] <punkrockguy318> i doubt it
[08:01] <mattgirv> phxguy, hmm, I had a sort of problem similar, it was to do with one bin being called something else, like one was called Trash , and the other Trashbin
[08:02] <mattgirv> Like it was some sort of redundant feature, I assume it was a bug though :/
[08:02] <alican> hi I just installed Kubuntu .. my 2.eth card is Davicom and uses tulip now. but I want to use dmfe driver . both tulip and dmfe is in lsmod list.. How can I make eth1 use dmfe instead of tulip and remove tulip driver
[08:02] <DarthFrog> Spooks: You can also do it via Synaptic.  Settings/Repositories.
[08:02] <Spooks> I tried, it keeps disappearing
[08:02] <Xappe> Tilos, warty: gnome 2.8, Hoary: gnome 2.10
[08:02] <Spooks>  :\
[08:02] <phxguy> mattgirv, did you get it fixed??
[08:02] <Tilos> Xappe: Thanks.
[08:02] <mattgirv> Well all it was, was that a Trash Bin had appeared on my desktop, the tray bin was still working fine
[08:02] <DarthFrog> alican: If it's a tulip chipset, then the dmfe driver won't work.  dmfe is for the Davcom chipset.
[08:02] <mattgirv> :)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> Spooks: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , save and quit
[08:03] <phxguy> mattgirv, yeah i went to the configuration editor and check the box to show the desktop... it shows but doesn't update when item are sent there
[08:04] <phxguy> ....and neither does the one in the bottom panel
[08:04] <alican> darkling,  I know it works with dmfe and doesnt work with tulip.. I am sure (from other dists.) I just wantto know how can I edit kernel modules and assign drivers to devices
[08:04] <mattgirv> Hmm that is strange, I am afraid I don't know why that is :(
[08:05] <phxguy> well thanks for your help on the nvidia thing.. =)
[08:05] <phxguy> It says i need to restart X... suppose Ill do that now
[08:05] <mattgirv> Heh
[08:05] <mattgirv> ctrl + alt + backspace
[08:05] <mattgirv> Does anyone know how I can get Openbox to start pypanel and torsmo when I load it through GDM?
[08:05] <alican> DarthFrog, I know it works with dmfe and doesnt work with tulip.. I am sure (from other dists.) I just wantto know how can I edit kernel modules and assign drivers to devices
[08:06] <Spooks> Oh wow. I'm starting to understand this now. I can see how it fits together. Thanks guys
[08:07] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: make a file   ~/.xsession , put the apps you want to start on separate lines with & , the last line just  openbox ( no &)
[08:07] <mattgirv> But won't that exec them apps, regardless of the WM/DE i choose?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: then choose system session in gdm
[08:07] <mattgirv> I only want them to load with Openbox
[08:07] <Yomic> Where do the drivers for USB connected WiFi devices go?
[08:08] <DarthFrog> alican: you would do that in /etc/modules.d. Create a file called whatever you want and add the line "alias eth0 dmfe". Then reboot.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: .xsession is only used by the "system sessioN"
[08:08] <mattgirv> oki
[08:08] <thoreauputic> or whatever gdm calls it
[08:09] <DarthFrog> Spooks: Good stuff!  Have fun & welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
[08:09] <alican> DarthFrog, ok then how can I remove tulip module .. I do not want it to be loaded at boot
[08:09] <DarthFrog> alican: /etc/modutils, sorry, not modules.d
[08:09] <\sh> straw : module gtkhtml2 not found
[08:09] <\sh> and I can't find a package for python gtkhtml2
[08:09] <Spooks> hehe :p
[08:10] <DarthFrog> alican: Find the module in the lib/modules/ hierarchy and rename it. :-)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> \sh: try sudo apt-get install liferea - very similar to straw
[08:11] <mattgirv> Thanks so much thoreauputic :)
[08:11] <mattgirv> Worked a charm heh.
[08:11] <odie5533> Where do people normally put desktop backgrounds/splash screens?
[08:11] <wezzer> backgrounds can be put anywhere
[08:11] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: no wories :)
[08:11] <odie5533> But is there a standard place to put them?
[08:11] <wezzer-_> not really
[08:12] <wezzer-_> I have them at /home/antti/photos
[08:12] <ThePfhor> I just have a folder ~/Pictures, but the OS doesn't care
[08:12] <\sh> thoreauputic, well..i hope its just usable like akregator
[08:12] <wezzer-_> ... where are my other photos also
[08:12] <thoreauputic> \sh: I've used both - they both work fine, and look very similar
[08:12] <\sh> and its not in the tree
[08:12] <supos> Is the firefox icons supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
[08:13] <supos> s/is/are
[08:13] <\sh> lol
[08:13] <\sh> liferea
[08:13] <thoreauputic> \sh: the tree?
[08:13] <Taraxacum> what was the page again for the sudo root thing?
[08:14] <\sh> thoreauputic, have it
[08:15] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view?searchterm=sudo%20root
[08:15] <snk00sj-> does ubuntu have nvidia drivers in it ?
[08:16] <snk00sj-> trying to manually compile the nvidia drivers, but it's being a pain in my **
[08:16] <snk00sj-> :)
[08:16] <Absenth> snk00sj-, yes.  Easiest way to install the accellerated drivers is through synaptic
[08:16] <snk00sj-> ah thats good to hear
[08:17] <Trixisity> while installing Java jre I get this message, ot@Italjet:/home/tristan # sudo chown -R root:root /usr/java/jrel.5.0_01/
[08:17] <Trixisity> chown: failed to get attributes of `/usr/java/jrel.5.0_01/':
[08:17] <Trixisity> what's that?
[08:18] <MidnightDevil> hi! :)
[08:18] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[08:19] <MidnightDevil> how do i install nvidia using apt-get ?
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> theres docs
[08:19] <DoppelGanger> tee hee hee
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> ahem... DoppelGanger from RO?
[08:20] <mdz> MidnightDevil: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:20] <mdz> two easy steps
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> yea that one ;p
[08:21] <geneo93> need a little help with update
[08:21] <geneo93> keeps hanging on kde stuff
[08:22] <MidnightDevil> thanx mdz
[08:22] <Absenth> geneo93, did you add the universe and multiverse stuff to your sources.list
[08:22] <geneo93> oh yes
[08:23] <Absenth> hmmmm.....
[08:23] <alican> can I install nvidia-glx in init5 ??
[08:23] <geneo93> i can paste first few lines
[08:23] <odie5533> How do I create a link to a folder?
[08:24] <Absenth> odie5533, ln -s source dest
[08:24] <geneo93> allready did the -ff install
[08:24] <geneo93> and the dpkg -- reconfig
[08:24] <odie5533> ty
[08:25] <geneo93> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[08:25] <geneo93> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:25] <geneo93>   kaddressbook: Depends: libkcal2a (>= 4:3.4.0) but it is not installed
[08:25] <Absenth> odie5533, also you can right click, and "make link"
[08:25] <Yomic> Can someone help me manually configure a USB connected WiFi device?
[08:25] <odie5533> ah
[08:25] <zenwhen> what model
[08:26] <DarthFrog> Yomic: Perhaps.  Is it detected?
[08:26] <Yomic> Yes, but it is unknown
[08:26] <Yomic> (And more than likely not supported.
[08:26] <Yomic> )*
[08:26] <DarthFrog> Yomic: Does it get a network interface?  what does ifconfig tell you?
[08:26] <Absenth> geneo93, I'm sure someone here can help, unfortunatly I'm not that someone.
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> anyone here know how to get mplayer to not have the window border at the top when playig movies?
[08:26] <punkrockguy318> does ubuntu support wireless mice and keyboards? how easy would the installation of one be?
[08:27] <Yomic> But I have the drivers; I don't know where they go though.
[08:27] <Glin|Jol> this is not the gui version
[08:27] <DarthFrog> Yomic: What are the drivers?
[08:27] <Yomic> I have no connection with that PC.
[08:27] <jk> punkrockguy318: mostly 'just works [tm] '
[08:27] <Yomic> Different .CAB and .bin files
[08:27] <punkrockguy318> jk, awesome, so i just plug them in and i'm good to go?
[08:27] <jk> punkrockguy318: yup
[08:27] <DarthFrog> Yomic: Those are Windows files.
[08:28] <Yomic> I know.
[08:28] <Yomic> I only have access to the Windows drivers.
[08:28] <DarthFrog> Yomic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:28] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, I'm running a wireless Logitech MX1000, it worked for basic wheel mouse functionality outta the gate.
[08:28] <Fleebailey33> gtg
[08:28] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, I configured the forward and back keys with (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons)
[08:29] <Yomic> Yes, I have an .inf file.
[08:29] <punkrockguy318> that's great!
[08:29] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, and for multimedia keys on the keyboard (ie vol, mute, etc) I found a howto somewhere, it was super simple.
[08:29] <punkrockguy318> ubuntulinux has the nicest hardware detection i've seen in any distro
[08:29] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, I'll see if I can find that for you as well.
[08:29] <punkrockguy318> Absenth, yeah, i set them up on my friends machine.. it's just in system->preference->keyboard shortcuts
[08:30] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, that's the one :)
[08:30] <Yomic> Crap, I don't have internet connection so I cannot download the ndiswrapper >_<
[08:30] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, the only key that doesn't work on my mouse is the task switching button, which is useless as hell anyway :)
[08:30] <sal002> Do I need the initrd to boot?
[08:30] <punkrockguy318> hey
[08:30] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, oh, and the right/left wheel movement.
[08:31] <DarthFrog> Yomic: It might be already installed.
[08:31] <punkrockguy318> Absenth, did that work oob?
[08:31] <Yomic> I hope.
[08:31] <rwabel_> hi
[08:31] <Yomic> I'm on Warty, fresh from the CD
[08:31] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, doesn't work at all right now.  oob was up down, right, left click, and mvoement.
[08:31] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, the link I posted, got my browser forward and backward working.
[08:32] <rwabel_> I still have problems with locales with special characters. whenever I'm in X mode (gnome, kde, xfce etc) special characters are displayed wrong (invalid encoding). anyone has an idea?
[08:32] <Absenth> punkrockguy318, the rest of the functions of my mouse I didn't use in winderz anyway so it's not a huge loss.
[08:33] <zenrox> ho do i get this line to match up for whare that is in ubuntu  if ( -e "${procloc}/sys/dev/sensors" && file_executable("sensors") == 1) {
[08:33] <tsume> Absenth: what is winderz?
[08:33] <tck> anyone got xmms working with hoary ?
[08:33] <zenrox> casue that dont exist
[08:33] <tsume> tck: works fine
[08:33] <zenrox> and i do have sensors and gkrellm displays them
[08:33] <tck> tsume, no matter what i try, wont work, any suggestions
[08:33] <tsume> tck: if you installed gnome, you most likely are using esd, download xmms-esd
[08:33] <Absenth> tsume, Winderz aka most operating systems out of redmond WA
[08:34] <tck> i think im using alsa
[08:34] <tsume> Absenth: I don't understand child talk
[08:34] <tck> hmm i'll check
[08:34] <DarthFrog> tsume: Windows.
[08:34] <tsume> Absenth: please use correct words
[08:34] <tsume> DarthFrog: ohh, Windows.
[08:34] <tsume> Absenth: why didn't you say so?
[08:34] <DarthFrog> tsume: Absenth was using slang.  Self-invented slang. :-)
[08:34] <Absenth> tsume, I'm a redneck. I did say so.
[08:34] <bassman> bonsoir  tous
[08:35] <DarthFrog> bassman: Bon matin.
[08:35] <bassman> :)
[08:35] <Tilos> Is there something akin to http://www.gentoo-portage.com for Ubuntu?
[08:35] <tizen> bonne apres-midi
[08:35] <tizen> lol
[08:35] <bassman> j'aurais voulu un renseignement sur ubuntu
[08:35] <bassman> je ne sais pas comment crer mon mdp root
[08:35] <larsrohdin> Hi, if I download a certain program, how do i know which command to use to start it?
[08:35] <DarthFrog> bassman: Nous parlons anglais ici.
[08:35] <rwabel_> bassman: pour francais il faut aller sur ubuntu-fr
[08:36] <bassman> very nice sorry for my bad english :)
[08:36] <ren0> Hi. I notice when I am using gaim all my freinds have little pictures in their window. Is there a way for me to set this up in gaim. I just don't seem to find it.
[08:36] <tsume> the french have a titanium version of windows on the net, cute
[08:36] <tsume> its full of warez
[08:36] <tsume> WindowsXP Pro Titanium... heh
[08:36] <DarthFrog> bassman:  Don't worry about it. It's better than my french! :-)
[08:36] <tsume> This is amusing
[08:37] <tsume> Bienvenue!
[08:37] <Absenth> is there a howto to set up dual head in ubuntu hoary?
[08:37] <^thehatsrule^> njan?
[08:37] <motuline> Can I re-size my swap partition? Ubuntu made Swap what is only 486mb :o
[08:37] <Absenth> or whatever it'
[08:37] <tsume> Absenth: that is based on your vid card and X, not the distrop
[08:37] <tsume> *distro
[08:37] <tizen> ren0: Yup. Ctrl-A, then Modify on your MSN account and set up the buddy icon thing
[08:37] <bassman> nice to see you again see you later bye !!!!:)
[08:37] <DarthFrog> motuline: How much RAM do you have?
[08:38] <motuline> 512mb
[08:38] <Absenth> tsume, even if I'm running an agp and a seperate pci video card?
[08:38] <motuline> why?
[08:38] <DarthFrog> motuline: That really should be enough swap.
[08:38] <thoreauputic> motuline: that should be plenty of swap
[08:38] <tsume> Absenth: its linux + X then
[08:38] <DarthFrog> motuline: The days of swap = 2x RAM are over.
[08:38] <ren0> thanks tizen. I'll give it a try
[08:38] <tsume> Absenth: you can find the information anywhere for linu
[08:38] <tsume> linux
[08:38] <motuline> ok :).. Im used to 1028mb of swap space.. other distros have biger swap bases
[08:39] <tsume> Absenth: you can set up Xinemina or have a virt on each screen
[08:39] <snk00sj-> thanks man ! my nvidia drivers work !
[08:39] <snk00sj-> 53194 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10662.400 FPS
[08:39] <snk00sj-> awesome, you all rock !
[08:39] <Absenth> tsume, danke.
[08:39] <motuline> I get 1800fps..
[08:39] <tsume> snk00sj-: what card is that? and is that at full screen?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> motuline: unless you're running some kind of badass server with huge memory demands :) But then you'd have more RAM anyway ;)
[08:40] <Spooks> Beauty, firefox r the updated
[08:40] <DarthFrog> Spooks: Glad to hear it worked for you.
[08:40] <tsume> snk00sj-: what card? :P
[08:40] <Spooks> Thanks again
[08:40] <Spooks>  :)
[08:40] <Absenth> 22875 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4575.000 FPS
[08:40] <DarthFrog> Spooks: And better yet, you learned how to do it yourself.
[08:40] <sal002> When booting the livecd can I pass root=[my ubuntu root]  and use the kernel from the cd to boot using my system filesystem?
[08:40] <Spooks> Kind of
[08:41] <tsume> Absenth: what card do you have?
[08:41] <tck> tsume, no xmms-esd
[08:41] <DarthFrog> sal002: Probably.
[08:41] <Absenth> tsume, 5900 ultra 128m
[08:41] <tsume> oo
[08:41] <tck> what sound support does gnome start with
[08:41] <snk00sj-> tsume 6800 GT Pro :)
[08:41] <tck> there's , alsa, esd, oss, arts
[08:41] <tsume> tck: esd
[08:41] <^thehatsrule^> esd?
[08:41] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[08:41] <codyman> DarthFrog: I got my amd64 broadcom wifi connection up and running.. the only thing is that every time i reboot i have to retype in my WEP key.. any ideas on how I can automate that?
[08:41] <sal002> Because my initrd for -5 kernel is missing.  I tried using the -3 kernel and all hell broke loose
[08:41] <tck> how come alsa starts up on mine then
[08:41] <tsume> tck: you need the esd driver for xmms, or killall the sound drivers
[08:42] <tsume> tck: if you are running artsd, then you need the xmms-artsd driver
[08:42] <tsume> *xmms-arts
[08:42] <ermo> mjr, does dri work with mergedfb?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> tck: esd talks to alsa ;)
[08:42] <sal002> Is there a way to regenerate the initrd?
[08:42] <UdeS-ppc> what's the command hdparm for?
[08:42] <tck> ah ok
[08:42] <codyman> whats a quick way to reset sound?  rhythmbox all the sudden says my speakers are busy
[08:42] <DarthFrog> codyman: Yeah.  In /etc/network-something-or-other is the config file for that interface.  Put the info in there.
[08:42] <codyman> thanks
[08:42] <Brainache> hey, im a newbie, and im trying to compile a package.  I keep running into things that are missing in the Configure stage, and im not sure if im missing something, or do i just have to add the bits as i find the things missing from the configure log?
[08:42] <tck> theres not xmms-esd in my synaptic by the way
[08:43] <tck> s/not/no
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Brainache: what are you trying to compile? and do you have a ll the dev packages?
[08:43] <djp> anyone here help me out with a cron message?
[08:44] <djp> No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Brainache: 99% of the time, the missing packages are the dev (development) packages
[08:44] <Brainache> oh, ok
[08:44] <motuline> Any Idea.. if I run fglrxconfig and write XF86Config-4.. X won't work.. and other thing is that X won't work if I change identifier: ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR) instead of "Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SG86C202"
[08:44] <Brainache> do i jsut search synaptic for dev packages and install them all?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> Brainache: that's one way, yes
[08:45] <Brainache> ok
[08:45] <snk00sj-> ATI drivers suck :)
[08:45] <JDahl> brainache, normally you should be able to see from compiler or linker error what's missing
[08:45] <sn0wman> snk00sj-, lol, yep.
[08:45] <bung__> snk00sj-: so does your face
[08:45] <thoreauputic> Brainache: assuming the thing you are compiling isn't available in the repos
[08:45] <Absenth> snk00sj-, on linux anyway.....  although I got them working once.
[08:45] <DarthFrog> snk00sj-: I'm Canadian and ATI is a Canadian company.  I won't be buying their products again.
[08:46] <Brainache> yeah. This time it wants me to re-write something.  I'll cp the log file
[08:46] <DarthFrog> bung__: No personal abuse, please.
[08:46] <larsrohdin> is there a problem with gedit in hoary? Because since i updated, i can't get gedit to work...
[08:46] <tsume> tck: whit
[08:46] <tsume> *wait
[08:46] <bung__> DarthFrog: sorry, reflex
[08:46] <tsume> tck: it already has the esd support
[08:46] <DarthFrog> bung__: :-)
[08:46] <tsume> tck: open config
[08:46] <tsume> switch the audio driver to eSound
[08:46] <tck> from within xmms ?
[08:46] <tsume> yes
[08:47] <bung__> seriously though I don't get why people love nvidia quite so much
[08:47] <geneo91> still need some HELP
[08:47] <tck> hang on
[08:47] <thoreauputic> bung__: lesser of two evils on linux
[08:47] <DarthFrog> codyman: The file is /etc/network/interfaces.
[08:47] <Brainache> checking for gtk+-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 libxml-2.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[08:47] <Brainache> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[08:47] <Brainache> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:47] <Brainache> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[08:47] <Brainache> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 libxml-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[08:47] <tsume> bung__: because the drivers are the best out there
[08:47] <Absenth> bung__ I have no love for nvidia either.  I'd rather have an X800 over the 6800 ultra, but the drivers are a LOT easier on the nvidia side of the fence.
[08:48] <MMond> JDahl: hihi, -I don't want to be cumbersome, but perhaps, could you only spare seconds on me?
[08:48] <DarthFrog> codyman: Underneath the line that says "wireless_essid (your ssid), put "wireless_key (your key)".
[08:48] <kent> Brainache, you dont need to paste all that here, and you need to install the development-packages for gtk+.  Search for itt in synaptic
[08:48] <tck> tsume, cool that worked :)
[08:48] <Absenth> bung__ and if Matrox could create a card that wasnt a generation or two behind ATI/Nvidia when it came to gaming performance I'd have their stuff in all my machines :)
[08:48] <tsume> does anybody know where the keyboard map layout change tool is in windows?
[08:48] <tck> chose the esound output plugin :)
[08:48] <Brainache> ok, cheers
[08:48] <Brainache> will do
[08:48] <JDahl> MMond, just ask your questions, and if I know something about it, I will chime in
[08:49] <bung__> Absenth: do they do OSS drivers?
[08:49] <scandium> Wait for Techsource's open graphics card later this year...it has quite advanced features and specs will be open...it's not interesting for people who want to play doom3, though
[08:49] <Absenth> bung__, I admit to having no idea, as their stuff is so behind performance wise it's not worth the time to look into.
[08:49] <tsume> scandium: people need 3d cards not only for gaming
[08:49] <scandium> s/it has/it is supposed to have them when it is released/ ;)
[08:49] <tsume> scandium: games are for stupid people
[08:49] <Absenth> bung__, however on windows, the 2d graphics quality are WAY better.
[08:50] <tsume> they waste thier life on the game
[08:50] <codyman> thanks Darth
[08:50] <DarthFrog> tsume: I have a Ph.D. and enjoy the occasional game. :-)
[08:50] <tsume> DarthFrog: games suck fyi
[08:50] <MMond> JDahl: I have at least a bit more ground understanding of this now -- http://localhost/~user/test2.html works now, perfectly. But when I go upon a php file, it gives me a dialog of "Save the file," so php at this, is not working. If it is of any consolation, though: when I do type "php" in basic term.. it "works," (although this shouldn't mean anything.. especially with my little knowledge of CLI)
[08:50] <tsume> graphics programming is nice when it contributes to science
[08:50] <bung__> I'm dumb and I hate gaming!
[08:50] <scandium> tsume, that's why I said "quite advanced" since it looks like it'll do a lot of opengl etc., but not for gamers
[08:50] <tsume> bung__: its not mny fault you were born with less nueral nodes :)
[08:50] <Absenth> gaming sure beets the hell out of venting frustrations on the freeway with a 9mm
[08:51] <thoreauputic> tsume: are you a Puritan or something ? (joking)
[08:51] <Absenth> -beets +beats
[08:51] <bung__> tsume: neural :P
[08:51] <codyman> DarthFrog: this is weird in that "interfaces" file there is no mention of anything wireless just ethernet.. but my wireless connection is currently working no problem... ?!?
[08:51] <tsume> thoreauputic: I think you mean.. Omish..
[08:51] <DarthFrog> codyman: Don't complain!  It works. :-)
[08:51] <JDahl> MMond, try this test-script: http://www.htmlite.com/php003.php
[08:52] <tsume> Absenth: not really
[08:52] <thoreauputic> tsume: no, I meant Puritan - but never mind - comparative theology is probably not your subject ;)
[08:52] <JDahl> MMond, i.e., copy and paste it into a file at your own machine
[08:52] <tsume> Absenth: it just means you can't control your testosterone
[08:52] <DarthFrog> codyman:  use the network tool to configure your interface.  It'll write that file for you.
[08:52] <tsume> thoreauputic: its not my strong area :)
[08:52] <codyman> DarthFrog: seirously i'm glad it works i don't mine typing in the simple iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxxxx open then dhclient wlan0 everytime it boots.. i mean i got it working i get points for that don't I :-)
[08:52] <Absenth> tsume, that's probibly true.
[08:52] <tsume> thoreauputic: science leaves no room for poppycock
[08:53] <DarthFrog> codyman: Points and an attaboy. :-)
[08:53] <Absenth> tsume, does Science have a solution for the users I work with?
[08:53] <codyman> DarthFrog: My wireless router is downstairs and across the house yet I still for some reason have 99% connection and it downloads from apt-get at around 500kb/s
[08:53] <thoreauputic> tsume: ah, well - Einstei liked to play the violin and ride bicycles :)
[08:53] <MMond> JDahl: Did it . . . and I get the "save" dialog. I tried that when I had apache 1.3 . . . and that time it worked, so did every file with php
[08:53] <phxguy> can someone help me with the chown command
[08:53] <Absenth> tsume, I should warn you, I do have a government job.
[08:53] <MidnightDevil> heya again
[08:53] <thoreauputic> *Einstein
[08:53] <tsume> Absenth: does electric chair sound good enough?
[08:53] <sal002> Anyone ever use the livecd to boot into their ubuntu system (using the kernel on the bootcd)?
[08:54] <MidnightDevil> what's horay address for apt-get?
[08:54] <Absenth> tsume, sign me up for 2
[08:54] <MMond> JDahl: And now with apache2.. it doesn't work ;\
[08:54] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Application of technology to social problems is a major mistake!  Herding cats is more likely to work.
[08:54] <bung__> someone give me a jb
[08:54] <bung__> er
[08:54] <bung__> job
[08:54] <phxguy> how can i Chown on a folder and all files and folders in it at one time??
[08:54] <bung__> chown -R
[08:54] <JDahl> MMond, did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ?
[08:54] <Absenth> DarthFrog, Again I think it depends on which technology you'
[08:54] <thoreauputic> phxguy:  chown -R
[08:54] <tsume> I need a job in Alaska
[08:54] <tsume> :/
[08:54] <Absenth> DarthFrog, Again I think it depends on which technology you're talking about applying.
[08:54] <MMond> JDahl: Yes
[08:54] <phxguy> thanks
[08:54] <MidnightDevil> someone ?
[08:54] <tsume> I've every motion set except the job
[08:54] <Absenth> DarthFrog, I think a baseball bat represents some amount of technology, and does solve quite a few social problems when used correctly.
[08:55] <tsume> and the ferry :)
[08:55] <ossiii> can anyone plz tell me how to set numlock on at booting?
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> what's horay address for apt-get?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Well, yes.  If you want the "users" to survive, it kinda limits your options, though. :-)
[08:55] <MMond> JDahl: Simpy plain off, what concise files would I need go get at least apache2 and php working? asking out of curiosity..
[08:55] <larsrohdin> is kernel 2.6.10-4 the latest version?
[08:55] <tsume> larsrohdin: no
[08:55] <alec> MidnightDevil, replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in your apt sources
[08:55] <JDahl> MMond, apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4
[08:55] <larsrohdin> tsume, which is then?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ossiii: numlockx I think
[08:55] <Absenth> larsrohdin, I'm running 2.6.10-5-k7
[08:55] <tsume> larsrohdin: I think 2.6.10-5
[08:55] <JDahl> MMond, and normally you shouldnt have to change configuration
[08:55] <MMond> JDahl: Woah.. uhm, I do have them..
[08:56] <MMond> And I didn't . . . everything is at default . . . at least I think so
[08:56] <MMond> Or unless the installations of other modules had them tweaked
[08:56] <phxguy> ok now I just installed my Nvidia driver according to the isntruction on ubuntu and when I restarted and logged into ubuntu i got an error that said "HAL failed to initialize" can someone help me with that?
[08:56] <larsrohdin> tsume, how can i upgrade it, with apt-get?
[08:56] <MidnightDevil> ok
[08:56] <tsume> larsrohdin: you need to make sure your sources are correct
[08:56] <ossiii> well, will try it out, tnx thoreauputic
[08:56] <MMond> At several instances, upon removal, I received messages like "This folder isn't empty, and thus will not be removed"
[08:56] <tsume> larsrohdin: I bet you have it set to cdrom only
[08:57] <rwabel_> anyone has an idea why under X (gnome, kde etc) special characters like umlaute doesn't work but working fine when switching back with ctrl-alt-f1?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ossiii: that's the package name - apt-cache show numlockx will tell you more
[08:57] <larsrohdin> tsume, no but, i've just upgraded to hoary, so maybe i don't have the correct sources... do you know where i can find the correct?
[08:57] <ossiii> tnx again :)
[08:58] <sal002> Okay - does apt-get save the retreived deb files anywhere?
[08:58] <JDahl> MMond, try copying the php test script to /var/www and run it from there... maybe php is disabled from user directories - although I doubt it. I dont have apache2/php4 install atm, so I cant help you with the configuration files
[08:58] <andril> hello all
[08:58] <rwabel_> sal002: yes it does
[08:58] <apokryphos> sal002: yes, /var/cache/apt I think
[08:58] <scandium> sal002, /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:58] <DarthFrog> sal002: Yes.  /var/cache/apt/archives.
[08:58] <sal002> Thanks!
[08:58] <Absenth> 2.6.10 isn't an option in Warty?
[08:58] <rwabel_> sal002: under  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Absenth: no
[08:59] <Absenth> thoreauputic, I guess it's time for a dist-upgrade then :)
[08:59] <MMond> JDahl: I'll try it
[08:59] <phxguy> ok now I just installed my Nvidia driver according to the isntruction on ubuntu and when I restarted and logged into ubuntu i got an error that said "HAL failed to initialize" can someone help me with that?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Absenth: warty is stable - hence no kernel changes except security patches
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> uh oh
[09:00] <geneo93> how do i get another terminal in failsafe
[09:00] <andril> I need to find out how to chane my resolution after upgrading to Hoary
[09:00] <larsrohdin> tsume, or maybe you could show me your sources...
[09:00] <tsume> its like riding a bicycle because you know its more reliable than a motorcycle
[09:01] <thoreauputic> tsume: so I assume you run Hoary?
[09:01] <tsume> thoreauputic: affirmative
[09:01] <^thehatsrule^> geneo... xterm &? its a guess
[09:01] <tsume> larsrohdin: theres a sources.list file in /etc/apt/
[09:01] <elshadii> does anyone have an opinion about how to replace the mail notification gnome pannel applet?
[09:01] <tsume> larsrohdin: uncomment the ones which are soundful, but don't uncomment the ones which say "for major system updates"
[09:01] <larsrohdin> tsume, yeah i know...thats the sources we're talking about...
[09:01] <larsrohdin> ok
[09:02] <tsume> thoreauputic: better updated software gets the job done faster than old software
[09:02] <tsume> what is going to really suck about alaska is they do the same stupid thing aussies do
[09:02] <actionjackson> andril: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:02] <larsrohdin> tsume, soundful?
[09:02] <AlohaWolf> i
[09:02] <tsume> they charge 49USD a month for 20 gigs a month
[09:02] <thoreauputic> tsume: yes, well - assuming it doesn't crash and burn.... ;-)
[09:02] <tsume> larsrohdin: which sound right
[09:02] <geneo93> no luck
[09:02] <tsume> thoreauputic: it doesnt
[09:03] <thoreauputic> tsume: that's nice
[09:03] <larsrohdin> ok, but i don't know which sounds good...
[09:03] <Absenth> thoreauputic, I've been on Hoary since last weekend, so far, no problems.
[09:03] <tsume> my cpu keeps throttling lower when I've vmware open :)
[09:03] <tsume> this laptop rocks :)
[09:03] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[09:03] <tsume> GeforceFX 5200 64MB
[09:04] <tsume> the vid card is decent.
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Absenth: sure - if I wasn't on dial up I'd download it too :)
[09:04] <Absenth> thoreauputic, heh.
[09:04] <tsume> australia sucks.
[09:04] <tsume> alaska sucks for the BW too
[09:04] <phxguy> can someone tell me what I should have in my fstab to auomount my Windows NTFS drive on hda1??
[09:04] <djp> anyone able to help out with a cron message?
[09:04] <Absenth> tsume, I've thought about putting ubuntu on my laptop.  Except it's already got a unix that doesn't suck on it.  Hard to justify wiping it out for ubuntu
[09:04] <apokryphos> phxguy: ubuntuguide.org
[09:04] <^thehatsrule^> phxguy, you know thats prolly read-only?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Absenth: I'm very happy with warty - only needed to reboot for new kernels so far
[09:05] <tsume> but I'm adventurous :) if I can stand dial-up like I always had, then I can live there
[09:05] <phxguy> yup i am aware that ntfs is read only
[09:05] <tsume> Absenth: linux has always worked on my laptops
[09:05] <tsume> I need to email toshiba for the sources to the software modem
[09:05] <phxguy> I followed the ubuntu guide and it doesn't seem to work right....
[09:05] <larsrohdin> ok
[09:05] <tsume> toshiba will actually opensource thier software if you ask
[09:05] <Absenth> tsume, mine is running OSX.  Linux might be a bit more difficult in terms of apps.
[09:05] <DarthFrog> tsume: You could always investigate getting a satellite connection.
[09:05] <tsume> Absenth: keep OSX, its BSD based, its more secure
[09:06] <tsume> DarthFrog: I thought about that
[09:06] <thoreauputic> tsume: Australia sucks but, say, Alaska doesn't ? heheh
[09:06] <tsume> DarthFrog: would be faster too
[09:06] <tsume> thoreauputic: not as much
[09:06] <Absenth> tsume, hense the "unix that doesn't suck"
[09:06] <DarthFrog> tsume: Exactly.
[09:06] <actionjackson> Absenth: YDL
[09:06] <phxguy> apokryphos, I have the option set in nautulis to show mounted drives on my desktop but it doesn't show up there
[09:06] <tsume> thoreauputic: I like all weather, I just currently feel like being in alaska
[09:06] <Absenth> actionjackson, ???
[09:06] <actionjackson> Absenth: sorry I meant have you tried YDL
[09:06] <DarthFrog> tsume: You're in Australia?
[09:06] <apokryphos> phxguy: don't know gnome, sorry. :(
[09:06] <tsume> ubuntu pasuaf!
[09:06] <goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem on ubuntu 5.04 anybody help me
[09:06] <MMond> JDahl: Placed it under /var/www . . . still not working (getting the same "open > save as" dialog)
[09:06] <tsume> DarthFrog: no.
[09:07] <ermo> Could someone help me debug dri?
[09:07] <Glin|Jol> how would i go about making gtk look less boxy
[09:07] <tsume> DarthFrog: I'm in redneckville because I thought country would be nice to live in for a few years
[09:07] <Glin|Jol> gtk themes?
[09:07] <tsume> DarthFrog: Southern states in the US are very poor and theres not many jobs here
[09:07] <DarthFrog> tsume: Where is redneckville?
[09:07] <tsume> DarthFrog: Knoxville, TN
[09:07] <Absenth> actionjackson, no I have not.  I've thought about it a few times, but each time I get back to....  I can do everything in OSX YDL would let me do, and I don't have to change anything.
[09:08] <actionjackson> true
[09:08] <andril> actionjackson: do I restar after doing this?
[09:08] <JDahl> MMond, so provided that you really have libapache2-mod-php4 installed (and not just libapache-mod-php4), there's nothing left for you to do but to dig into /etc/apache2 and greb for php... it's easier than it sounds
[09:08] <tsume> windowsxp (this copy) is french *sigh*
[09:08] <codyman> anyone know why gl screensavers aren't working?
[09:08] <actionjackson> I have it setup as a dual-boot on my PowerBook
[09:08] <tsume> how can I change the keyboard layout in XP? :)
[09:08] <actionjackson> andril: yes
[09:08] <tsume> do I need to download something from MS?
[09:08] <MMond> JDahl: I did this in term: root@tosh:/var/www # php -f info.php  <-- and it worked, well . . . in term at least
[09:08] <andril> thanks I'll be back
[09:08] <Absenth> tsume, start, settings, control panel, keyboards/mice I believe.
[09:08] <actionjackson> aight
[09:08] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works
[09:09] <goxy> help me
[09:09] <kent> Does some one know of a client to play poker over the internet with money? A friend asked me to get www.multipoker.com to work in Linux but their client wont work with wine, so if some one knows of another way to play poker with money in linux I think he would be happy :)
[09:09] <tsume> Absenth: I thought I checked there, I'll check again
[09:09] <Xappe> tsume, try alt+shift
[09:09] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works help me
[09:09] <Absenth> tsume, I know for sure there's a utility in there somewhere, but no promises as to where it is.....  I'll take a look at the wifes pc,  it's the only windows pc left in the house.
[09:09] <MMond> JDahl: wait, so I have to have libapache-mod-php4 too, so not just libapache2-mod-php4, but both? o.0
[09:09] <tsume> Xappe: *sigh*
[09:09] <mattgirv> Can anyone recommend me a good Terminal that can sort of... hmm, fade onto the desktop, so it looks like part of the desktop rather than being window-like :P
[09:09] <tsume> Xappe: then I need to take vmware off alt shift :)
[09:09] <Xappe> tsume, ahaha
[09:10] <JDahl> MMond, that's not what I said... I am just saying that maybe you have the wrong package installed
[09:10] <thor|away> mattgirv: eterm or aterm
[09:10] <Xappe> tsume, I think that's the default combination if you have more than one configuration
[09:10] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works help me
[09:10] <thor|away> mattgirv: in fluxbox, you can toggle window decorations off by editing ~/.fluxbox/keys
[09:10] <Xappe> tsume, installed
[09:10] <MMond> JDahl: I have libapache2-mod-php4 and apache2 . . . I cannot imagine what else could possibly be wrong . . . :s
[09:10] <tsume> Xappe: hmm
[09:11] <mattgirv> thor|away: I am running Openbox at the mo' maybe its a similar command or something
[09:11] <tsume> Xappe: booting XP back up.. minute
[09:11] <thor|away> mattgirv: also for logs there's roottail
[09:11] <MMond> I had little knowledge to begin with ;\
[09:11] <mattgirv> I will have to check :)
[09:11] <JDahl> MMond, so dig into the configuration files
[09:11] <tsume> I haven't used windows in a long time, but I bought turbotax and it wouldn't run on wine
[09:11] <tsume> I like doing my own taxes with computer programs :)
[09:12] <Xappe> tsume, haven't used win for five months or so...so I'm not  really sure
[09:12] <phxguy> tsume:  are you familiar with Wine???
[09:12] <Absenth> tsume, have you tried turbotax through Crossover Office?
[09:12] <MMond> JDahl: Before I do -- php4 worked with apache1.3, I'm simpy saying, to assure that this might possibly be of any good, I mean, if apache1.3 worked with php . . . and now this isn't . . . something else might be caused it . . . I download a _lot_ of things when I started with this.. lots of other modules
[09:12] <tsume> phxguy: it wont run with crossoveroffice either
[09:12] <MMond> +ed*
[09:12] <tsume> Absenth: have that, tried that :)
[09:12] <alican> where can I find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5
[09:13] <tsume> Absenth: it was acting glitchy
[09:13] <Absenth> tsume, it was worth a shot.
[09:13] <alican> apt-get says : Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5
[09:13] <MMond> anyways . . . I'll get dirty with it . . . haven't ever messed with the configuration files before . . . but here I go
[09:13] <phxguy> tsume: Was wonder if you have used wine to run Quicken.....
[09:13] <JDahl> MMond, I use apache2 with php4 for a small server at work.. it was easy to setup
[09:13] <Absenth> tsume, I don't suppose you know how to rebuild your Crossover office menus in gnome on hoary?
[09:13] <tsume> phxguy: crossoveroffice runs quicken
[09:13] <Xappe> alican, the name is linux-source in ubuntu
[09:13] <Absenth> tsume, Mine vanished post dist-upgrade
[09:13] <phxguy> is crossover hard to configure???
[09:13] <tsume> Absenth: no idea, I usually type out paths
[09:14] <tsume> Absenth: the menu should be automatic
[09:14] <MMond> JDahl: So was apache1.3 and php.. simply checked off a few things and I had it working from scratch within 2 minutes . . .
[09:14] <tsume> Absenth: you rebuild from the cxsetup
[09:14] <MMond> JDahl: Should I just mess with php.ini, and that'd be it? Or . . . something else too?
[09:14] <thorN> Is there any chance that my crappy "Visioneer 4800" scanner will work in Ubuntu? (Cos it's not working at the moment)
[09:14] <Absenth> ./cxsetup:error: could not find CrossOver in '/home/lnoldan/cxoffice/bin'
[09:15] <tsume> I installed mine in /opt
[09:15] <JDahl> MMond, look in /etc/apache2/*, I dont think you have to configure php.ini
[09:15] <phxguy> thorN, I think we're outta ucj on that.... I have a visioneer 9220 and it doesn't work either under ubuntu =(
[09:15] <alican> Xappe, ok I am updating it.. is there anything else after new kernel 2.6.11 is installed
[09:16] <Absenth> tsume, I'll uninstall, and reinstall to /opt which is a better loction anyway :)
[09:16] <MMond> apache2.conf  httpd.conf  mods-available  ports.conf  sites-available  ssl  conf.d        magic       mods-enabled    README      sites-enabled  <-- here is what is there.. where should I begin? I have absolutely no knowledge of this.. :s
[09:16] <edulix> bah it didn't work :|
[09:16] <edulix> well it's dinner time
[09:17] <jnc> MMond: it's a relatively new layout for apache configuration
[09:17] <jnc> i myself have not yet mastered it
[09:17] <Xappe> alican, i'm using 2.6.10-5, so I don't know if there's a difference in installation procedure
[09:18] <jnc> thorN: which interface does it use physically?
[09:18] <thorN> it's a USB thing
[09:19] <thorN> I haven't had any expeirence with Hotplug and things
[09:19] <MMond> jnc: Yeah.. but I have absolutely no knowledge at all whatsoever of this.. I'm  new to linux/ubuntu/apache/php . . . :s
[09:19] <sal002> okay - mkinitrd gives me a /dev/fd does not exeist - nayone get this?
[09:19] <DarthFrog> sal002: that's your floppy drive.
[09:19] <jnc> MMond: well, welcome to Ubuntu, at least
[09:19] <jnc> :)
[09:20] <jnc> i have been using Debian GNU/Linux distro for my webservers
[09:20] <sal002> DarthFrog: Right.
[09:20] <MMond> Thanks, I suppose
[09:20] <jnc> it is similar i think
[09:20] <sal002> But how do I get mkinitrd to generate the right initrd without caring about my floppy drive?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> jnc: practically identical in fact ;)
[09:20] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  how do i get another terminal that wont cover this
[09:21] <MMond> I have been using Windows for 4 years . . . first time using Linux . . . put it on a 266 mhz laptop.. with GNOME, kinda slow.. but I'm dealing with it
[09:21] <_linux_newb2> mmond: dont use gnome
[09:21] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Be more specific, please.
[09:21] <geneo93> say lower left corner
[09:21] <DarthFrog> sal002: man mkinitrd
[09:21] <thoreauputic> MMond: it would run better with a light window manager
[09:21] <_linux_newb2> use fluxbox or something a little lighter
[09:21] <djp> anyone able to help with an mbox message generated when attempting to run a script using cron to perform a diff backup using dar?
[09:21] <bung__> eww initrd
[09:21] <jnc> MMond: the windowing system X11 is a memory hog
[09:21] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  i'm in failsafe xterm
[09:21] <ermo> any x.org dri/drm buffs around? I'm getting strange errors on my ati r200 setup (which is supposedly supported)
[09:22] <jnc> without the pretty GUI stuff, a 233mhz box is *perfect* for webserving
[09:22] <larsrohdin> every 20 times i start ubuntu, it checks my filesystems... how can i make it not check the filesystems?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> jnc: it isn't X11 that's the problem - it's what runs on it :)
[09:22] <jnc> oh?
[09:22] <_linux_newb2> dont use ext3
[09:22] <thorN> jnc: my 500MHz webbox is excessive then ;)
[09:22] <Anubis> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-3-k7 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ 1533.771 MHz Bogomips: 3039.23 Mem: 291/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 45.84G Free: 10.60G Procs: 98 Uptime: 9 hrs 48 mins 49 secs Load: 0.11 0.10 0.09  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3) Screen Resolution: 1024x768 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 90.39M Out: 3.70M
[09:22] <jnc> thorN: yes ;)
[09:22] <jnc> yes it is
[09:22] <thoreauputic> jnc: X11 itself is quite efficient
[09:22] <MMond> I used xfce for a while . . . is it lighter than fluxbox?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> MMond: no
[09:23] <GNAM> it seems a good idea a "/home" on vfat partition, to condivide firefox/thunderbird settings windows/linux
[09:23] <MMond> And keep in mind, that I am a nub, and I have heard that the installation of fluxbox is rather intricate
[09:23] <bung__> computers suck
[09:23] <djp> jnc: got a 200mhz, 64mb machine here, running linux and using icewm for the gui. works very quick
[09:23] <thorN> horrible shameful fact, jnc: my webserver is running gnome :O
[09:23] <bung__> horses are where it's at
[09:23] <Chipzz> _linux_newb2: tsssk
[09:23] <Chipzz> larsrohdin: man tune2fs
[09:23] <jnc> djp: ah!   icewm, this is easily done with ubuntu?
[09:23] <Absenth> bung__, I agree completely
[09:23] <_linux_newb2> chipzz: what?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> MMond: not really - you would only need to edit one file to start it
[09:23] <GNAM> software sucks, not computer
[09:23] <erik> how can i install kde on ubuntu?
[09:23] <bung__> you've never seen my computer then.
[09:24] <jnc> erik: #kubuntu  i thinK?
[09:24] <Chipzz> larsrohdin: there is an option to set how much times a filesystem can be mounted without getting checked
[09:24] <jnc> Chipzz: yes, use 'tune2fs'
[09:24] <Chipzz> _linux_newb2: teh "don't use ext3" remark
[09:24] <djp> jnc: sure. however the machine is currently running vector linux due to internet not being available to it yet. as soon as it is though, switching over to ubunutu and using icewm with it
[09:24] <Chipzz> jnc: wrong person
[09:24] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell erik ubukde
[09:24] <Pyre> erik: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[09:24] <geneo93> there is no #kubuntu
[09:24] <jnc> whoops
[09:24] <jnc> oh
[09:24] <MMond> thoreauputic:  Hmm.. how light exactly is thoreauputic? I usually stay away from anything that is not mainstream . . . and from what I've seen/heard, I'll have to do a lot more worrying and taking care of it
[09:24] <apokryphos> geneo93: there is
[09:24] <jnc> i thought someone said @kubuntu
[09:24] <jnc> err.  you know
[09:24] <MMond> fluxbox*
[09:25] <MMond> sorry.. :|
[09:25] <erik> thanks
[09:25] <MMond> Is KDE lighter than GNOME? o.0
[09:25] <Echylo> how to open LaTeX files? .tex.tgz files
[09:25] <_linux_newb2> mmond: no
[09:25] <thoreauputic> MMond: well, have a look at http://fluxbox.org and read about it :)
[09:25] <bung__> Echylo: sounds like you need to tar zxvf that file
[09:25] <jnc> MMond: KDE would be nicer with a better optimizing compiler i think
[09:25] <bung__> then run latex foo.tex
[09:26] <bung__> then xdvi foo.dvi
[09:26] <thoreauputic> MMond: KDE and Gnome are similar in resource use
[09:26] <mattgirv>           about it :)
[09:26] <mattgirv> 20:25 <    bung__> Echylo: sounds like you need to tar zxvf that file
[09:26] <mattgirv> 20:25 <       jnc> MMond: KDE would be nicer with a better optimizing compiler
[09:26] <mattgirv>           i think
[09:26] <mattgirv> oops :( sorry
[09:26] <Echylo> hmm
[09:26] <mijndert> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu Hoary on my pc and I have problems with the sound. My chip is SiS (on a cheap ASrock mobo), All seems OK but no sound is coming out of my speakers. What can be wrong?
[09:26] <Echylo> tgz aint a tar file I think
[09:26] <airox> :)
[09:26] <bung__> Echylo: suck it and see
[09:26] <Echylo> well let's see
[09:26] <mattgirv> lol, messing around with irssi :P
[09:26] <elmaya> turn up the volume
[09:26] <jnc> Echylo: it may be a compressed tar file
[09:26] <_linux_newb2> mijndert:  try alsaconf
[09:26] <mijndert> elmaya, all up
[09:26] <mijndert> Ok, I'll try
[09:26] <Echylo> hmm
[09:27] <Echylo> sucking it doesn't help
[09:27] <Echylo> lets try tar
[09:27] <jnc> Echylo: the 'tar' command can be asked to handle some types of compression
[09:27] <DemonTears> what is the best cdburner for ubuntu ?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> _linux_newb2: no alsaconf in ubuntu
[09:27] <jnc> Echylo: with tar, you must tell it which type of compression to use,  'j' for bzip2,  'z' for gzip
[09:27] <mijndert> alsaconf is not found
[09:27] <mijndert> ah oke
[09:27] <mattgirv> ahhh perfect :D
[09:27] <_linux_newb2> sry
[09:27] <Echylo> yes yes already unzipped
[09:27] <jnc> DemonTears: good question
[09:27] <mijndert> strange :S
[09:27] <sal002> ah ha!  that is where my apt-get update broke my system...
[09:28] <sal002> mkinitrd failed with no /dev/fd
[09:28] <Absenth> is there a way to force umount?
[09:28] <Echylo> and how to open .tex files? :p
[09:28] <Chipzz> sal002: apt-get update will never ever break your system
[09:28] <mrquick> hey guys, I'm having trouble using mplayer out to esd.... esd is working, but mplayer reports Could not open/initialize audio device... I specify -ao esd
[09:28] <sal002> It did!
[09:28] <jnc> DemonTears: there is some built-in things for making CDs with GNOME 2.10, in the upcoming Hoary Hedgehog
[09:28] <_linux_newb2> sal002: just dont overwrite files already on your system
[09:28] <jnc> i did not see a way to burn ISO9660 files though
[09:28] <djp> DemonTears: GnomeBaker for me
[09:28] <mijndert> Music Player does not give any error (have sound on AUTO). But no sound at all
[09:28] <sal002> it install latest -5 kernel..mkinitrd failed
[09:29] <MMond> One thing that makes me scratch my head is the sometimes low opacity for their windows . . . I have been using Windows for a long time, and I would imagine that it would dramtically eat up the memory like pac-man on coke
[09:29] <airox> I love ubuntu!
[09:29] <airox> Just to mention it.
[09:29] <erik> thianks pyre
[09:29] <GNAM> ubuntu RULEZ!
[09:29] <sal002> initrd for the -5 image wasn't created correctly
[09:29] <erik> thanks*
[09:29] <mijndert> GNAM, It does when my sound works ;)
[09:29] <bung__> jnc: I've not been paying attention to whatever you're on about, but you know you can mount those files directly?
[09:29] <Chipzz> jnc: just right-click on the iso and select burn
[09:29] <Absenth> so is there a way to force umount?
[09:30] <jnc> Chipzz: !   i didn't even think to try this
[09:30] <thoreauputic> MMond: yes, transparency eats resources - but you can turn it off
[09:30] <Chipzz> jnc: me neither in the beginning ;)
[09:30] <sal002> And now mkinitrd fails...says no /dev/fd
[09:30] <mijndert> Does anybody have a solution to my sound problem?
[09:30] <sal002> man mkinitrd is of no use
[09:30] <Chipzz> jnc: I blushed too when I found out :)
[09:30] <totty> nick totty
[09:30] <mrquick> can anyone help me with an mplayer sound problem?
[09:30] <Absenth> mijndert, try "killall esd" and see if mplayer works that way
[09:30] <Beuno> hey, I just installed kubuntu over ubuntu, and now Im stuck on 640x480, any ideas?
[09:30] <jnc> and guess what i was trying to burn?  of course, the ubuntu iso!
[09:30] <DemonTears> djp, jnc thx
[09:31] <_linux_newb2> mijndert: mkinitrd was not meant for you i dont believe
[09:31] <mrquick> I don't want to kill esd though! I never had this problem in debian!
[09:31] <totty> hoooo year geniol  the westion ubuntu
[09:31] <GNAM> ubunto xfree version with kubuntu xorg version?
[09:31] <sal002> _linux_newb2: I didn't.
[09:31] <djp> anyoneable to help me out with my dar problem?
[09:31] <Beuno> yeap
[09:31] <apokryphos> GNAM: xorg
[09:32] <genghis> wow.  hoary update today and everything's very cramped indeed from a GNOME line-spacing point of view.  any ideas?
[09:32] <mrquick> sound card definitely works
[09:32] <thoreauputic> djp: what's dar ? I haven't come across it...
[09:32] <DemonTears> can install rpm file  in ubuntu ?
[09:32] <mrquick> because all of gnome sounds come through
[09:33] <mrquick> when I pkill esd sounds plays through mplayer
[09:33] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: you can, sometimes using "alien" - but why?
[09:33] <jnc> genghis: maybe, submit a bug?    i have amd64 and the hoary preview, it is working nicely.  i have not noticed any line spacing issues yet
[09:33] <ttindi> hello
[09:33] <mijndert> how can I see my sound card works properly?
[09:33] <mrquick> but when esd is running and I try to mplayer -ao esd I get no sound
[09:33] <djp> thoreauputic: backup program
[09:33] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, i wanna install the nero
[09:33] <Xappe> mrquick, if you compile mplayer yourself and have the esd or poly dev packages installed you can use it with esd or polyp output
[09:33] <MMond> Alright. I'll use Fluxbox . . . wish me luck. (really)
[09:34] <mijndert> Media Player plays a MP3 file, but still no sound
[09:34] <zenwhen> nero for linux is currently ass
[09:34] <jnc> mijndert: you could browse to your filesystem, /usr/share/sounds/
[09:34] <mrquick> when I configure Mplayer, it says it configured for esd
[09:34] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: ah, I see - well I can't advise you on that. I use gnomebaker
[09:34] <reb68> I have installed ubuntu and am very new to this. My sound card ,Web Cam, and Scanner do not work. If Hoary is coming out I guess I might as well wait to solve this until I upgrade to Hoary.
[09:34] <jnc> there are sounds to play there
[09:34] <mrquick> Xappe, when I configure Mplayer, it says it configured for esd
[09:34] <jnc> reb68: maybe
[09:34] <zenwhen> graveman is better in every way than the current nero
[09:34] <mijndert> jnc, I'll try :)
[09:34] <jnc> reb68: what brand and make are your devices?
[09:34] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, where cen i get that gnomebacker
[09:34] <jnc> (i may know if they work with any linux distro)
[09:34] <GNAM> i need UBUNTU FINAL!
[09:34] <Xappe> mrquick, well, have you tried to change the output to esd then?
[09:35] <zenwhen> lol
[09:35] <mijndert> jnc, No sound at /usr/share/sounds/ :S
[09:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: I'll get a link - hang on
[09:35] <djp> thoreauputic: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[09:35] <genghis> jnc:  in fact all font rendering is weird
[09:35] <mrquick> Xappe,yeah I specify -ao esd
[09:35] <jnc> mijndert: hmm
[09:35] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, ok thx
[09:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: warty?
[09:36] <jnc> mijndert: i think this is strange, there should be sound files in the /usr/share/sounds directory
[09:36] <DarthFrog> GNAM: Install Warty, then.
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DemonTears:  http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[09:36] <djp> DemonTears: thoreauputic recommended gnomebaker to me. it is excellent!
[09:36] <GNAM> warty doesn't boot on my laptop
[09:36] <GNAM> :P
[09:36] <mijndert> Yes there is, but when I try to play one, no sound is coming out of my speakers
[09:36] <GNAM> hoary 6 works
[09:36] <Fl-i-nT> Hi can anyone help me with a tiny mozilla-firefox problem?
[09:36] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, thx
[09:36] <DarthFrog> GNAM: So what's your problem?
[09:36] <jnc> djp: i could not find gnomebaker, is this in Universe?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: there are several files - you want the appropriate .deb
[09:36] <Fl-i-nT> it comes up with some wierd text at the bottom
[09:36] <sal002> Ahh!  Now I get similar error to - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2664.html
[09:36] <GNAM> warty had a serious problem in x86_64 kernel
[09:36] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: screenie?
[09:36] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, im using the 4.10
[09:37] <reb68> The cam is Dexxa which is same as logiteck. (sic) The sound card is ES1869 Control Interface (WDM) and the scanner is an OLD Microtec Scanmaker 4800.I am told it will never work in linux,
[09:37] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, what?
[09:37] <jnc> take a screenshot, please
[09:37] <sal002> Looks like off to bug report
[09:37] <jnc> so i can see
[09:37] <GNAM> problem solved with hoary
[09:37] <mijndert> jnc, there are some OGG en wave files but no sound is coming out of my speakers
[09:37] <jnc> mijndert: okay.  maybe sound does not work
[09:37] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:37] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, now what?
[09:38] <mijndert> jnc, do you know a solution? I realy would like sound on my pc :)
[09:38] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: erm, could you email to me?  jnc@gentoo.org
[09:38] <jnc> i will look
[09:38] <jnc> mijndert: privmsg, please.  i can try some things
[09:38] <mijndert> Ok
[09:38] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, i get an error while installing it
[09:39] <geneo91> damn ubuntu keeps crashing even in failsafe xterm
[09:39] <mattgirv> How can I take a screenshot of my Linux box ? :)
[09:39] <Tynian> can anyone help me update my menu.lst file? I have to add "acpi=force pci=noacpi" to the kernal params but I'm not sure where
[09:39] <mattgirv> Print Screen no longer suffices in Openbox :P
[09:39] <hno73> Could someone give some advice on unbreaking my ubuntu :)
[09:39] <apokryphos> mattgirv: there's an option to "take screenshot" in one of the Gnome menus there
[09:39] <djp> jnc: get it from here ...http://digitalpenguin.homelinux.org/downloads/
[09:39] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: did you do sudo dpkg -i <nameofpackage> ?
[09:39] <hno73> I changed the name of vthe first user and now I can no longer sudo
[09:39] <jnc> djp: ! thanks
[09:40] <mattgirv> apokryphos: :( I don't use Gnome I am afraid.
[09:40] <apokryphos> mattgirv: what do you use?
[09:40] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, its ok thx
[09:40] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, done it its sent
[09:40] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: got it?
[09:40] <mattgirv> apokryphos: I know there are terminal commands to do it, but I forgot them, I am using Openbox at the moment
[09:40] <MMond> Okay.. so I'm getting Fluxbox.. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php what exactly do I wanna get? The debian binary package?
[09:40] <apokryphos> mattgirv: erm, you could use imagemagick if you have that installed
[09:40] <apokryphos> mattgirv: if not, it's a quick installation anyhow
[09:40] <hno73> What's the best way to add myself to the sudo list again? With a live CD?
[09:40] <djp> jnc: thoreauputic gave the roiginal link earlier
[09:40] <mattgirv> oki :)
[09:41] <mattgirv> thanks
[09:41] <wdh> does anyone know of a good GTK alternative for an integrated LaTeX editor such as Kile(KDE) or TeXnicsCenter(Windows)??
[09:41] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, do i have to be root to exec it
[09:41] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: okay.   i will have a look
[09:41] <GNAM> good question wdh
[09:42] <thoreauputic> DemonTears:   ` sudo dpkg -i packagename
[09:42] <mattgirv> apokryphos: What is the command when I have installed that?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> or do you mean the app?
[09:42] <wdh> GNAM, i know :P
[09:42] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, wait its still sending it o.O
[09:42] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, not for exe after install
[09:42] <MMond> Okay.. so I'm getting Fluxbox.. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php what exactly do I wanna get? The debian binary package? <-- :s
[09:42] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, how long does it take for evolution to send a email?
[09:42] <Tynian> I *think* I just need to add that to the of the default params, but I'm not sure...
[09:42] <apokryphos> mattgirv: import
[09:42] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, its been saying sending for like 30 seconds
[09:43] <zenwhen> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:43] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: it shoulbe in the menu under multimedia - if not, just type  gnomebaker & in a terminal
[09:43] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, there finally sent
[09:43] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, ok thx
[09:43] <reb68> I think I will try my question again later
[09:43] <jnc> :)
[09:46] <reb68> exit
[09:46] <MMond> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php  <-- what package do I want here? :x
[09:47] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: BTW if you start from a terminal it will probably spit out a few warnings - if it works Ok you can disregard them
[09:47] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, thx its work good :)
[09:47] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, any solution?
[09:47] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: you're welcom - enjoy :)
[09:48] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: hang on, i am fighting my email spam
[09:48] <jnc> it is a losing battle
[09:48] <fluoro> Hey guys.
[09:48] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, why?
[09:48] <DemonTears> thoreauputic, its freeze :( when converting mp3 to audio file
[09:48] <Ajray> I loathe satellight internet
[09:49] <Ajray> Hey everyone
[09:49] <mattgirv> Hi
[09:49] <mattgirv> Satellite by the way, ehm I think lol
[09:49] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: I haven't tried that - if you run it from a terminal, you might see an error when it does that
[09:50] <Fl-i-nT> Does anyone know of a good WEb making programme?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: if it won't close, type ` killall gnomebaker` in a terminal
[09:50] <Echylo> Fl-i-nT  Gedit
[09:50] <thoreauputic> then try it from the terminal
[09:50] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  NVU
[09:51] <Ajray> See why I hate it?
[09:51] <MMond> I can't download fluxbox by syanptic now, can I?
[09:51] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, i cant find that package on my Synaptic
[09:51] <robin_> I have installed xserver-xfree86 (because xorg currently doesn't support my i845 in res higher than 640) but it does not save configuration made with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[09:51] <thoreauputic> MMond: you can, but it's an old version in warty
[09:52] <MMond> thoreauputic: Hrmm. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php <-- what do I want here then? the binary debian package?
[09:52] <Xappe> Ajray, sattelite? modem upstream and satellite downstream?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> MMond: if you like I can send you the deb I made for myself
[09:52] <Ajray> Satellight up and down
[09:52] <Sonium_> hi,
[09:52] <robin_> robin_ I solved the problem, by using the xorg configuration file.. but I think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should do the job ;)
[09:53] <Sonium_> can someone tell me my root password?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> MMond: you install it with the  `sudo dpkg -i ` command
[09:53] <apokryphos> Sonium_: ubuntu uses sudo; not the conventional root.
[09:53] <Sonium_> erm, that means?
[09:53] <mattgirv> It means there is no root account
[09:53] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, how do i get that ppackage?
[09:53] <apokryphos> Sonium_: it means "you", but with root permissions.
[09:53] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Sonium_ ubusudo
[09:53] <Pyre> Sonium_: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:53] <Xappe> Ajray, how do you accomplish that? sending with your parabolic antenna? ;)
[09:54] <mattgirv> You have to use the sudo command to give root priviledges
[09:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb
[09:54] <Ajray> I really wonder why I came here. I don't even have a ubuntu distro Yet Another
[09:54] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  i don't think there is a dep but there are rpm's ... maybe a alien will work
[09:54] <Ajray> Yeah
[09:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: that will get you a warty deb, anyway
[09:54] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  didn't try myself
[09:54] <Ajray> The DW6000 modem sucks badly, though.
[09:54] <MMond> thoreauputic: Made for yourself.. as I said, I usually stay close to the mainstream stuf.. at the same time, I have incredibly little knowledge of this.. my laptop seems to have really great compatilibty problems, it's 6 years old, 266 mhz, I used it for experimenting :s
[09:55] <Bauhn> Hi, I tried to install vlc through "apt-get install vlc" but it didn't work.. can anyone help me with installing it?
[09:55] <airox> Anyone has a working msi pc54g wireless card ? (Broadcom chipset)
[09:55] <thoreauputic> MMond: up to you - several people have had no trouble with that deb
[09:55] <encKe`> does Ubuntu support a pretty good range of pci wireless cards?
[09:55] <robin_> airox: ndiswrapper ?
[09:55] <encKe`> like Motorola by chance?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> MMond: but I understand your reticence
[09:55] <airox> robin_: Would that work ?
[09:55] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, an alien?
[09:55] <airox> robin_: Hard to configure ?
[09:56] <DarthFrog> robin_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:56] <robin_> airox: you could check it, my linksys wpc54g is also broadcom and seems to work
[09:56] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, any luck?
[09:56] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  http://www.nvu.com/download.html <= the package
[09:56] <robin_> DarthFrog: I already got it to work :P
[09:56] <thoreauputic> MMond: fluxbox is a very small and simple window manager - not a lot can go horribly wrong with it
[09:56] <Bauhn> Can anyone here help me to install VLC?
[09:56] <DarthFrog> robin_: Good stuff.  How well is it working?
[09:56] <airox> DarthFrog: Give it to me!
[09:56] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: not yet.   i apparently have a small penis that needs to 'grow'  according to emails i receive
[09:56] <WillCooke> Does anyone know if WEP should work when using ndiswrapper to drive a linksys 802.11b card?
[09:56] <airox> :)
[09:56] <robin_> DarthFrog: perfectly
[09:56] <jnc> :(
[09:56] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  alien ... use to make a .dep from a .rpm
[09:56] <DarthFrog> airox: Give what to you?
[09:56] <robin_> DarthFrog: including WPA
[09:57] <Ajray> Well, as much as I'm accomplishing here I must leave
[09:57] <Ajray> Adios
[09:57] <MMond> thoreauputic: Fair enough.. I'll give it a shot
[09:57] <airox> DarthFrog: that url ;)
[09:57] <DarthFrog> airox: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:57] <robin_> WillCooke: probably
[09:57] <airox> tnx DarthFrog
[09:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: I can probably walk you through setting it up to start from gdm login - not too hard
[09:57] <WillCooke> robin, :)  I must be doing something wrong then!
[09:58] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, hehe
[09:58] <robin_> how good is the Kubuntu btw ?
[09:58] <Bauhn> I need help with installing VLC (or any other media player that play mp3's) Anyone here who can?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> robin_: most people who tried it seem to be happy
[09:58] <apokryphos> robin_: really very great. :)
[09:58] <Xappe> Bauhn, sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: you're biased ;-)
[09:59] <Bauhn> Xappe, and how does that program work?
[09:59] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, whats the website for alien?
[09:59] <djp> Bauhn: the Music Player default for ubuntu plays MP3's
[09:59] <bwlang> Bauhn: I recommend amarok: it's a nice gui... if you want something simpler xmms is okay... on the command line there are other options.
[09:59] <robin_> apokryphos: okay, I will give it a try
[09:59] <Xappe> Bauhn, xmms is a winamp clone
[09:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: shh, don't tell them. :P
[09:59] <Bauhn> djp, no it doesn't
[09:59] <Bauhn> Xappe, nice
[10:00] <Bauhn> bwlang, and how do i get it?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heheh :)
[10:00] <djp> Bauhn: sure does!
[10:00] <Xappe> Bauhn, you could also try beep-media-player
[10:00] <bwlang> Bauhn: do you know how to use synaptic ?
[10:00] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  did you try apt-get install alien ?
[10:00] <Bauhn> bwlang, not really ;P
[10:00] <djp> Bauhn: check out the following link for help setting up ubuntu http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:00] <Rockj> which one should I stick with? ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/
[10:00] <Fl-i-nT> nope didnt know you had to do that soz
[10:00] <Rockj> which directory?
[10:01] <NamShub> Hi
[10:01] <NamShub> Everytime I log into ubuntu I lose my net connection after a few minutes...
[10:01] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, ok i have done that now should it be in my Synaptic?
[10:01] <NamShub> How can I bring it back manually
[10:01] <bwlang> Bauhn: well - you're going to want to use that if you're going to use ubuntu... it's on the "system" menu... there's pretty good help for it.
[10:01] <NamShub> (im connected to a router with dhcp)
[10:01] <pvh> I can't eject a CD from my drive!
[10:02] <Bauhn> bwlang, i tested it yesterday, but i dont understand it totally yet..
[10:02] <bwlang> NamShub: i suspect you have multiple copies of dhclient running and interfering with each other...
[10:02] <pvh> It doesn't show up in media, and it won't respond to pressing the button!
[10:02] <pvh> NamShub: great nick
[10:02] <Xappe> pvh, you have to unmount it first
[10:02] <robin_> btw, I still think there is something wrong with the xorg package and the i810 driver
[10:02] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, oh ok i get it what it does but how can i find a NVU RPM now?
[10:02] <NamShub> bwlang: and how can I stop one?
[10:02] <NamShub> pvh: thx :P
[10:02] <pvh> Xappe: it's not mounted apparently
[10:02] <Rockj> which directory/distro-release should I stick with? ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/
[10:02] <Xappe> pvh,  it probably is
[10:02] <bwlang> Bauhn: the main idea there is to mark software for installation or deinstallatoin... just search for xmms or amarok or whatever and mark it for installation
[10:03] <Rockj> hoary? jigit? warty?
[10:03] <pvh> Xappe: umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab)
[10:03] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  if you installed alien, then try downloading the rpm for NVU and "alien" it to a debian package with alien <package.rpm>
[10:03] <Xappe> pvh, do a umount /media/cdrom0 and try the button again
[10:03] <bwlang> NamShub: you can tell if my hypothesis is correct by typing ps aux | grep dhc  on a command line ... you should see only one of these
[10:03] <NamShub> bwlang: ps aux | grep dh shows only 1 process
[10:03] <bwlang> NamShub: interesting... what does route -n show
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Rockj: how much experience do you have with linux? if not much, choose warty
[10:03] <Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, do i have to get NVU from there site or do i type apt-get something?
[10:03] <pvh> Xappe: it's my second drive, and isn't listed in media
[10:03] <NamShub> 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[10:03] <NamShub> 0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[10:04] <Xappe> pvh, ah
[10:04] <Bauhn> bwlang, sweet
[10:04] <bwlang> namshub: no line like this? 0.0.0.0         192.168.10.1    0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 ath0
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Fl-i-nT: www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide for installing nvu
[10:04] <robin_> those the kubuntu got also that nice update package manager ?
[10:04] <robin_> those=does
[10:05] <supos> Anyone know if the firefox icons are supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
[10:05] <djp> anyone here adept at setting up cron jobs?
[10:05] <Rockj> thoreauputic: abit, but not that much. I want to run it as a server, not a desktop with GUI. if GUI, it shoulden't be gnome or kde but just light-one.
[10:05] <Xappe> pvh, and no entry in the Places menu or in nautilus?
[10:05] <bwlang> namshub: you can manually add the route like this 'ip route add default 192.168.0.1'
[10:05] <apokryphos> robin_: it has kynaptic, which -- to be fair -- isn't as advanced as synaptic, but work is being done on it.
[10:05] <pvh> Xappe: no...
[10:05] <apokryphos> robin_: but if you've got gtk installed, there's no harm in having synaptic anyhow.
[10:05] <thoreauputic> Rockj: for that, I personally would use Debian Sarge
[10:05] <pvh> robin_: kynaptic is pretty nice in some ways. it's really fast.
[10:06] <Sonium_> isn't gcc a part of the standart ubuntu installation?
[10:06] <Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  better follow this, then you're sure it will work [thoreauputic Fl-i-nT: www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide for installing nvu] 
[10:06] <Xappe> pvh, ok...strange. well have you tried to umount the usual mountpoint for the drive then?
[10:06] <Rockj> thoreauputic: I tried Debian Sarge, the install just "forks" up :/
[10:06] <robin_> well I meant the Ubuntu Update manager, and not synaptic
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Rockj: the new installer for debian is the same as the ubuntu installer - that's odd
[10:06] <pvh> Xappe: yeah, without any luck.
[10:06] <Rockj> only one I have managed to get thru, where everything is working is Fedora. but atm I got troubles compiling stuff.
[10:06] <Rockj> thoreauputic: hum :/
[10:07] <Xappe> pvh, that's bad :/ how about forced umount?
[10:07] <pvh> Xappe: doesn't show up in mount -l
[10:07] <bwlang> Rockj: you could try installing debian from a live distro... like knoppix.   But the debian installer is pretty solid... is it possible that you gave it bad info?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Rockj: is this an old machine?
[10:07] <Xappe> pvh, ok
[10:07] <pvh> Xappe: so apparently, it isn't mounted at all
[10:07] <pvh> Xappe: Perhaps I could force a remount.
[10:07] <Rockj> thoreauputic: abit old, p2 450mhz with scsi hdd
[10:07] <Bauhn> why do i allways get "broken packages" when i'm trying with apt-get?
[10:07] <Rockj> bwlang: nope, not afaik.
[10:07] <Xappe> pvh, you cant mount it either?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Rockj: should be fine as a server, assuming you have reasonable RAM
[10:08] <Rockj> thoreauputic: don't remember the exact error I had, but I had error with gentoo too :/
[10:08] <bwlang> Rockj: I'm not saying you "knowingly" gave it bad info... ;)
[10:08] <pvh> mount /media/cdrom0
[10:08] <pvh> heh, wrong windwo
[10:08] <jnc> Rockj: *drool*
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: have you checked that you have all repositories configured right?
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: mount seems to be hung...
[10:09] <Xappe> pvh, that should be mount /dev/hd[x]  /media/cdrom0
[10:09] <jnc> Rockj: load it up with as much memory as possible, and run a web server
[10:09] <Rockj> thoreauputic: Used days to try to get help, but noone could help me, so I gave up the idea and went back to a working install of fedora :/
[10:09] <jnc> :)
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: unless it's in the fstab
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: which it wasn't
[10:09] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, i dont know, not so good at linux..
[10:09] <djp> Bauhn: did you manage to get mp3's playing with your default music player, Rhythmbox?
[10:09] <Rockj> jnc: its only supposed to be for that. ;) and a dhcp server
[10:09] <pvh> Xappe: but now mount has frozen.
[10:09] <Rockj> maybe running samba so I could move over some gb's with stash ;)
[10:09] <jnc> Rockj: maybe you should think about staying with a minimal install of debian gnu/linux
[10:10] <Xappe> pvh, kill the bastard :P
[10:10] <jnc> unless it is your only desktop computer
[10:10] <pvh> Xappe: won't even respond to sigints
[10:10] <Xappe> pvh, hmm, that's bad
[10:10] <Trixisity> Has anyone experience in mounting a USB mass storage device such as an mp3-man
[10:10] <pvh> Xappe: Sweet, now mount is gone from my proc listing, but my terminal is still hung.
[10:10] <Rockj> jnc: mhm.  but I might wanna try to get it to compile psybnc first. Thats my only problem I have now with fedora. but I get a problem realated to: http://forums.devshed.com/t110356/s.html?highlight=psyBNC
[10:11] <pvh> Xappe: this just keeps getting weirder
[10:11] <maxchee> What is the difference between evolution and kontact? Which one is more mature? and Which one is more stable?
[10:11] <MMond> Does it come with suckit?
[10:11] <SysFail> anybody have that reposit for the dvd playback file????
[10:11] <SysFail> i cant find the forum entry that had it
[10:11] <maxchee> Sysfail: google debian marillat
[10:11] <Xappe> pvh, i suggest you kick your cdrom drive
[10:11] <djp> maxchee: i think kontact is KDE app and Evolution is gnome based
[10:11] <pvh> Xappe: I suggest you don't buy HP.
[10:11] <jnc> maxchee: evolution has support from Novell company
[10:11] <maxchee> djp: that's rather...obvious?
[10:12] <Rockj> jnc: any suggestion on the psybnc error? downgrade gcc? oO
[10:12] <pvh> Xappe: time to reboot. this is oogalay
[10:12] <Xappe> pvh, well, their printers are ok :P
[10:12] <apokryphos> maxchee: I prefer kontact. Tight intergration with several other things... kmail/akregator/addressbook/kontact etc.
[10:12] <maxchee> but what about their functions?
[10:12] <djp> maxchee: sorry. just giving a difference. i prefer evolution for what it is worth...
[10:12] <apokryphos> quite a few more things, too.
[10:12] <SysFail> there was a great entry for it on the ubuntu forums
[10:12] <jnc> Rockj: privmsg me if you want and we can work it out
[10:12] <SysFail> where the hell did it go
[10:13] <maxchee> I believe kontact is rather new. Is it as stable as evolution or is it more stable?
[10:13] <NamShubWin> Ok I logged on my old computer so I could login to IRC
[10:13] <NamShubWin> After ~5 minutes, I lose my net connection
[10:13] <apokryphos> maxchee: Well, I've never come across a bug, and I use it all the time.
[10:13] <NamShubWin> *fresh* (k)ubuntu install
[10:13] <maxchee> SysFail: just search ubuntu wiki for debian marillat and you will find the article
[10:14] <DarthFrog> maxchee: Kontact is quite good.  I've used it for over a year and had no problems with it.
[10:14] <maxchee> do both of them support mbox importing?
[10:14] <NamShubWin> I can not even ping my router :(
[10:14] <maxchee> Darthfrog: so you've used it before kontact 1.0 is released, right?
[10:14] <NamShubWin> any clue?
[10:15] <DarthFrog> maxchee: Well, whatever version was included with KDE 3.2 for Mandrake.
[10:15] <Sonium_> where can in find the kernel header files?
[10:15] <maxchee> NamShubWin: your router might ignore ping packets
[10:15] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: linux-header-(kernel version)
[10:15] <Sonium_> full path?
[10:15] <maxchee> NamShubWin: protection from hackers
[10:15] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: Use Synaptic.
[10:16] <maxchee> Do evolution and kontact support mbox file importing?
[10:16] <maxchee> and do they intergrate with the system mailbox
[10:16] <Sonium_> what is synaptic ? :P
[10:16] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: Oh, I see what you're after.  Probably /usr/include/linux
[10:16] <maxchee> Sonium_:a graphical package manager
[10:16] <maxchee> Sonium_:you use it to install/uninstall programs
[10:16] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: :-)  Synaptic is the graphical package manager, used by default in Ubuntu.
[10:17] <Sonium_> ok, i'm working on text mode ;)
[10:17] <DarthFrog> maxchee: KMail can use mbox files.
[10:17] <Anubis> one day xmms is playing
[10:17] <Anubis> the next
[10:17] <Anubis> it seg faults?
[10:17] <Sonium_> but kernel headers work, thx
[10:17] <DarthFrog> Sonium_: Then apt-get is your friend.
[10:17] <apokryphos> maxchee: mbox file importing.. kmail: yes.
[10:18] <SysFail> its not there maxchee but thanks for your response
[10:18] <Sonium_> hrm, where are there any kernel sources on the standart installation?
[10:19] <maxchee> also, does anyone here use the system mailbox? I am forced to check my hormail for at least another 6 months regularly and I would like an automated solution
[10:19] <maxchee> I believe on sf.net
[10:19] <pvf> hello
[10:19] <maxchee> they provide several daemons that will fetch mail from hotmail servers and download it to the local mailbox
[10:20] <maxchee> but will modern programs like kmail and evolution accept those?
[10:20] <NamShubWin> what is the command to bring my network back?
[10:20] <pvf> anyone knows why there are no sticky windows in ubuntu ?
[10:20] <Chipzz> maxchee: yes, you connect to local mailserver with evolution
[10:20] <maxchee> pvf: you mean the stick notes applet?
[10:20] <Chipzz> or kmail
[10:20] <jnc> no no
[10:20] <jnc> 'sticky' windows
[10:20] <FR500> hello
[10:20] <jnc> same window stays on all desktops
[10:21] <maxchee> Chipzz: any security problems associated with it?
[10:21] <jnc> pvf: that is a function of 'metacity' windowmanager
[10:21] <Chipzz> maxchee: how's that?
[10:21] <FR500> is there any way to replace the Mac style clock cursor with the one that was in warty?
[10:21] <Chipzz> you can have it listen only on local adresses
[10:21] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, any luck?
[10:21] <pvf> maxchee: no mate...sticky windows...like when you aproximate a window to the border ...it sticks
[10:21] <maxchee> Chipzz: well it's a server, but it would be safe if it only accepts 127.0.0.1 connections
[10:21] <scandium> jnc, right click title bar and select "always on visible workspace"?
[10:22] <jnc> pvf: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[10:22] <scandium> jnc, oh sorry, misread, thought you asked
[10:22] <jnc> pvf: i think you are looking for "window resistance"
[10:22] <maxchee> pvf: you mean docking windows? I have only seen gaim doing that, on windows 2000
[10:22] <Sonium_> ok, there are no kernel sources right?
[10:22] <Chipzz> Sonium_: yes
[10:22] <maxchee> Sonium_: but you can always download it through apt-get/synaptic
[10:23] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: still hacking away
[10:23] <Chipzz> linux-source for ubuntu kernels, kernel-source for debian kernels
[10:23] <Sonium_> this means, if some program requires the sources, i have to download and make/install them first
[10:23] <Fl-i-nT> oh ok jnc when you get it can you pm the answer please
[10:23] <FR500> is there a way to change cursors?
[10:23] <Fl-i-nT> it would be of alot fo help
[10:23] <jnc> Fl-i-nT: i should respond to you via email soon
[10:23] <maxchee> Chipzz: Is there a way to import mbox to local mailserver and export mails stored in it to mbox?
[10:23] <kent> FR500, there is a package called gcursor f ot that. its in Hoary
[10:23] <pvf> maxchee: like winamp...when you move the playlist window to the main window...it kinda magnets there
[10:24] <Chipzz> maxchee: not sure
[10:24] <FR500> kent, thanks
[10:24] <SysFail> whew found em
[10:24] <maxchee> pvf: try a different window manager, like enlightenment
[10:25] <A0000001> DCC SEND "+ y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y 
[10:25] <scandium> absolutely
[10:25] <sysrq> heh
[10:26] <Xappe> hmm
[10:26] <HcE> virus?
[10:26] <HcE> got pretty interesting dcc send from him
[10:27] <Sonium_> can someone tell me how to get my kernel sources?
[10:27] <Sonium_> i installed the latest ubuntu version
[10:27] <sal002> What installs the splash screens for grub?
[10:27] <tck> Sonium_, get linux-headers from synaptic
[10:28] <DoppelGanger> ha ah you do sal002
[10:28] <pablo928> Hi everybody.
[10:28] <zenwhen> hello
[10:28] <JDahl> Sonium_, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 or whatever
[10:28] <Xappe> Sonium_,  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:28] <_steve> how do I create a root password?
[10:28] <airox> _steve: sudo passwd
[10:29] <tck> _steve, sudo passwd root
[10:29] <sal002> DoppelGanger: ?
[10:29] <pablo928> Any one know where I can find a mp3 plug-in for k3b?
[10:29] <tck> pablo928, you try synaptic ?
[10:30] <pablo928> Did'nt think I'd find one there since it's proprietary.
[10:30] <tck> isn't k3b a cd burning app ?
[10:30] <DoppelGanger> sal002: splash screens are a feature of grub
[10:31] <DoppelGanger> you can make your ownsplash screens
[10:31] <Xappe> tck, yes
[10:31] <DoppelGanger> alter teh grub file
[10:31] <djp> anyone able to help with a dar backup problem?
[10:31] <Panquekas> anyone has an nvidia, kernel 2.6.8-1-5-686-smp ? my system tell me that: "failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module" :|
[10:31] <DoppelGanger> and have that screen loaded at startup
[10:31] <tck> Panquekas, try #nvidia
[10:31] <sal002> DoppelGanger: Ahh..thought there was a n ubuntu splash screen
[10:32] <tck> djp, a tar backup ?
[10:32] <pablo928> yes, k3b is a cd/dvd burning program but it won't let me burn mp3 files.
[10:32] <maxchee> pvf: metacity (gnome's default window manager) is featureless and you need alternative gnome compliant window manager to do that
[10:32] <Panquekas> tck, but it's no problem from nvidia drivers.. because i used on an kernel 2.6.8-1-5-386 without smp and worked :\
[10:32] <tck> pablo928, isn't there other ones you can use ?
[10:33] <Xappe> Panquekas, have you installed the restricted modules for that kernel?
[10:33] <djp> tck: using dar to backup. have created a couple of scripts and trying to run them as cron jobs. however get the message that No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program.Reading config file: /root/.darrc
[10:33] <tck> what the hell is dar ?
[10:33] <airox> tar he means i think
[10:34] <Panquekas> Xappe, yes
[10:34] <DoppelGanger> dar she blows captain
[10:34] <tck> well theres an app called dar in synaptic
[10:34] <pablo928>  tck:Yes I can convert all the mp3files to .ogg files with audacity, but I'm not sure if I can do that bulk,
[10:34] <djp> tck: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[10:34] <tck> im getting it now djp ;)
[10:35] <djp> airox: no dar. http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[10:36] <pvf> maxchee: thx
[10:36] <tck> pablo928, http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements
[10:37] <factotum> heh, just had my first experience running a game on ubuntu, pretty cool
[10:37] <airox> What driver would I use for ndiswrapper ? The xp, 98, 200 or me driver ?
[10:37] <factotum> for only a 64 meg card it wasnt bad
[10:37] <factotum> hah
[10:37] <Blissex> airox: get another card -- dont bother with 'ndiswrapper'.
[10:37] <djp> no one else using or ever used dar?
[10:38] <airox> Blissex: ...
[10:38] <factotum> it was just neverwinter nights, but its great. Mouse kinda drags a bit, but otherwise not bad
[10:38] <airox> The one says it works perfectly the other claims i don't have to bother ?
[10:38] <airox> :S
[10:38] <tck> factotum, what u use, wine or cedega ?
[10:38] <munki> airox : just use a driver, ndiswrapper runs nicely
[10:38] <Blissex> airox: it works perfectly as far as it goes, when it goes.
[10:38] <factotum> tck: i run it native
[10:38] <tck> cool
[10:38] <munki> airox : I use ndiswrapper now
[10:39] <factotum> tck: just download the needed packages from the nwn site
[10:39] <geneo93> well i just borked my hoary install for good
[10:39] <v1> hello: is it ok to ask a stupid question?
[10:39] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[10:39] <DoppelGanger> no
[10:39] <v1> well I'm gunna anyway
[10:39] <alexis_> hello
[10:39] <encKe`> think they will combine ubuntu & KUbuntu someday?
[10:40] <factotum> encKe`: dont know, dont care
[10:40] <encKe`> lol....k
[10:40] <factotum> heh
[10:40] <airox> Eventually you have to choose encKe` :)
[10:40] <kosmos> encKe`, its combined, kubuntu is in the main reps imho
[10:40] <v1> during install I'm sure I wasn't asked for a root password? what's up there?
[10:40] <apokryphos> encKe`: kubuntu is part of ubuntu
[10:40] <factotum> im waiting for "fluxbuntu" well, not really
[10:40] <encKe`> k
[10:41] <factotum> i guess i already have it
[10:41] <kosmos> v1, read about sudo
[10:41] <v1> sudo k
[10:41] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell v1 ubusudo
[10:41] <Pyre> v1: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:41] <geneo93> v1 use sudo
[10:41] <JDahl> v1, was or wasnt? normally ubuntu doesnt create a root account, but yesterday it did so when I installed Hoary preview
[10:41] <airox> i guess 1 wm is more then enough for ubuntu
[10:42] <alexis_> I(ve got a big problem with an update... could someone help me?
[10:42] <factotum> in some cases no window manager is more than enough
[10:42] <airox> let them make 1 great wm
[10:42] <airox> there a more then enough distro's having kde
[10:43] <apokryphos> airox: more the merrier
[10:43] <lookorez> is there a repository that has rubygems in it?
[10:43] <Xappe> how large partitions do you recommend for a 300 GB disk (i'm going to install ubuntu on that disk tomorow)
[10:43] <kosmos> yeah but k3b is an argument for kde
[10:43] <airox> Xappe: ever thought about LVM ?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> when is "ratpoisonbuntu" coming out ? ;-)
[10:44] <geneo93> gives ppl choice
[10:44] <lookorez> i'm loving kubuntu atm
[10:44] <JDahl> Xappe, 6 GB for Ubuntu is more than enough.. then install /home on a separate partition
[10:44] <Xappe> airox, don't even know what lvm is :)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> logical volume management?
[10:44] <factotum> heh 300GB, damn, I have 80gb and im barely using 10% of that
[10:45] <v1> Oh I see, cheers for the help, guys. Bit of a strange way to set things up but I'm open to new things : even no root account
[10:46] <Xappe> thoreauputic, and what does that really mean?
[10:46] <geneo93> factotum:  i have 80 gig of mp3's
[10:46] <lookorez> i have 3tb :/
[10:46] <factotum> v1: you can have a root account if you give it a password
[10:46] <pablo928>  tck:found and installed "madplay" from synaptic. Your link told me just what to look for. Thanks.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Xappe: I haven't the faintest idea :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Xappe: sorry :(
[10:46] <Xappe> thoreauputic, haha
[10:46] <alexis_> do you know if an apt-get dist-upgrade often do verry bad things? I updated my warty to hary but the only thing I get is a broken ext3 support so my / is mounted in read only, after reboot, I get a kernel panic!
[10:46] <factotum> i cant think of 80gb of bands that i like
[10:47] <airox> hehe
[10:47] <airox> i just use internet radio :))
[10:47] <raetsel> good evening all
[10:47] <airox> seems to spare disk space
[10:47] <airox> hi raetsel
[10:47] <calc> i'm only using around 1.8GB for ubuntu itself
[10:47] <geneo93> well this goes from 60's to present
[10:47] <Xappe> airox, you could explain lvm to me maybe?
[10:47] <factotum> working at a record store helps too ;)
[10:47] <Levander> Are they still upgrading versions of things in the hoary repository? Or, if it's that version in the repository, that's probably the version that's gonna be released?
[10:47] <raetsel> Hi Airox
[10:48] <calc> Levander: just bug fixes at this point
[10:48] <airox> Xappe: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html
[10:48] <nis> Are there any ubuntu mirrors to point /etc/apt/sources.list to?
[10:48] <calc> Levander: its coming out in a couple weeks
[10:48] <airox> nis: yes
[10:48] <geneo93> Levander:  march 30 is cut off date
[10:48] <raetsel> Does anyone know how you unsubscribe from the portal site? Through not paying attention I have joined twice
[10:48] <factotum> having a good music collection is one thing, hoarding is just a waste
[10:48] <Xappe> airox, thnx
[10:48] <Daehlie> nis: uncomment the lines in the file with the sources in it
[10:48] <Levander> calc: cool, i've never done a apt-get dist-upgrade before on a debian distribution, this'll be first!
[10:49] <Levander> how many problems should I expect?
[10:49] <returnthis> cups question: since the webadmin is disabled, how do you figure out the uri?
[10:49] <odie5533> Is there any good ftp software for ubuntu?
[10:49] <nis> Daehlie: I'm upgrading from debian woody and didn't snag a distribution version of that file.  So nothing to uncomment.
[10:49] <calc> Levander: none
[10:49] <Levander> calc: haha! i'll believe it when i see it
[10:49] <factotum> odie5533: yea its called ummm......oh yea ftp.  kidding, gftp aint too bad
[10:49] <geneo93> well i just had problems with kde
[10:49] <calc> Levander: any upgrade issues should have already be resolved by the time hoary is released
[10:49] <EfaistOs> when hoary is coming out ? can i use it now ?
[10:49] <Levander> calc: how come so many are having problems in this channel getting that new Xorg stuff to work then?
[10:49] <calc> Levander: personally i just always run the unstable version of the dist
[10:50] <isam> EfaistOs: use it
[10:50] <Levander> EfaistOs: yeah, can use it now, but it's still beta
[10:50] <calc> Levander: dunno
[10:50] <Krause> heya guys, im havin trouble building a kernel with dpkg. on my PC it works fine, but on my laptop, it fails to make a intrid.img in /boot (no reported error) so when it boots into the new kernel, it fails to load anything and kernel panics, anyone know what may cause that?
[10:50] <returnthis> anyone here use cups in ubuntu?
[10:50] <Levander> calc: yeah, well I'm half expecting to have to dig through X server configuration again files when I do upgrade...
[10:50] <geneo93> RC1 is slated for april 6
[10:50] <calc> Levander: the configuration is very similiar if there is any difference at all from xfree
[10:51] <Levander> calc: okay, cool, hopefully i won't have to
[10:51] <Levander> geneo93: but when is it gonna be released for real, not just as a release candidate?
[10:51] <xerox> Hi.
[10:51] <isam> I am plan to: add archive.ubuntulinux.org to my sources.list of my Debian Sarge, give release s=hoary a higher PIN value in /etc/apt/prefrences .. is what I am doing crazy ? or a nice way to move to Ubuntu from Debian ?
[10:51] <factotum> ugh its only 4pm and im already drinking a beer
[10:51] <isam> xerox: hi
[10:52] <Levander> factotum: just consider yourself lucky not on west coast then i guess
[10:52] <factotum> Levander: true
[10:52] <factotum> just a little hair of the dog
[10:52] <Levander> factotum: just puts a nice perspective on things
[10:53] <xerox> The LiveCD found the touchpad & the usb mouse, even if the first was disabled... the installed ubuntu didn't findt the first, what can I do to get it working=
[10:53] <xerox> ?
[10:53] <Xappe> airox, so LVM is something one could call software raid?
[10:53] <returnthis> are there any docs on cups for ubuntu? I can't find any one the site
[10:53] <Sonium_> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 just made a bz2 file in /usr/src
[10:53] <factotum> yes, I would like to thank the sun for making me not sound quite so much like an alchie
[10:53] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, you got anywhere?
[10:54] <Sonium_> should't it be unpacked automaticaly?
[10:54] <nis> Sonium_ I don't believe so.  You would just bzcat source.bz2 | tar -xvf -
[10:54] <thoreauputic> isam: more or less crazy :)
[10:55] <factotum> ugh, i have a job interview tomorrow morning...grrr
[10:55] <Sonium_> what makes bzcat?
[10:55] <isam> thoreauputic: crazy good or crazy bad ?
[10:55] <nis> Sonium_ Probably bunzip or bzip
[10:55] <returnthis> does anyone know how to reenable cups web interface?
[10:55] <nis> isam: why not just comment out the debian mirrors in sources.list?
[10:55] <factotum> for "design cordinator" at this design agency
[10:55] <factotum> might pan out well though
[10:56] <isam> nis: so, I won't need any of the debian sources along with Ubuntu ?
[10:56] <returnthis> is there a user oriented ubuntu channel?
[10:56] <raetsel> or a tar jvxf source.bz2 , Sonium that should work too
[10:57] <nis> isam: not that I can see.  Haven't installed ubuntu yet; I'm trying to get all the *.deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives first, having moved all the debian versions out of it.
[10:57] <isam> returnthis: from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  .. under the "Listen" and "Port"
[10:58] <returnthis> isam: right thats working, but it says admin tasks have been disabled
[10:58] <returnthis> so I can't do anything useful witht that interface
[10:58] <isam> nis: I think that according to APT, giving a PIN value that is greater than 1000 gives the packages from the PINed source a high priority so that they overwrite other sources
[10:58] <fsantos> Hi everyone! I'm trying to use Citrix ICA client and keep getting this error. /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfica: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:58] <isam> returnthis: did you login in it ?
[10:58] <isam> returnthis: enter the root passwd ?
[10:58] <nis> isam: sounds like it should work then.
[10:59] <returnthis> tried several things, including lppasswd
[10:59] <returnthis> I can not get it to login at all
[10:59] <thoreauputic> isam: no root password in ubuntu by default - uses sudo
[10:59] <nis> isam: you'll know -- there are lots of 'ubuntu' strings in many .deb filenames in dselect.
[10:59] <isam> one last thing.. anyone here know about a graphical LVM manager ? or a way to resize a Volume Group
[10:59] <returnthis> I set the root passwd just to use that, still did not work
[10:59] <djp> any dar users here?
[10:59] <returnthis> I then tried lppasswd, still did not work
[10:59] <raetsel> fsantos did you try looking in the synaptic pkg mgr for the libXaw?
[11:00] <nis> returnthis: are you on the right port # for the cups server?
[11:00] <returnthis> yes, the web page displays, I just can't do any admin tasks
[11:00] <Goshawk> is there someone interested on usplash here?
[11:00] <Trixisity> What's the best Multimedia-player to use?
[11:00] <Trixisity> Xine? xmms?
[11:00] <Goshawk> Trixisity, for me rythmbox
[11:01] <Trixisity> kaboodle?
[11:01] <djp> Trixisity: both xine and xmms are good
[11:01] <djp> Trixisity: i just stick with the default players in ubuntu at the moment
[11:01] <raetsel> fsantos: Just tried a quick check for the libXaw ver 7 is installed, ver 6 is available but not installed
[11:01] <returnthis> I am trying to get a printer to work that will only use hpoj. ptal-print works fine
[11:01] <raetsel> assuming that is the right library
[11:01] <Trixisity> they didn't work for me djp
[11:01] <fsantos> raetsel: I know this is present in this RPM: XFree86-libs-3.3.2pl2-1.i386.rpm
[11:01] <djp> Trixisity: MPlayer is also very popular and amarok
[11:01] <Trixisity> Totem it is called
[11:01] <fsantos> Let me check...
[11:02] <returnthis> I just can't get cups to use the printer at all... nor can I find an interface that will let me specify the printer
[11:02] <Trixisity> I just don't know how to install those plugins
[11:02] <Trixisity> for wmv, avi, asf and stuff
[11:02] <djp> Trixisity: totem works fine for me for watching dvd's and playing back avi, mov files etc...
[11:02] <returnthis> does anyone know what a cups uri is?
[11:02] <nis> returnthis: I haven't run cups on anything but gentoo in a while; seems to me there's a step to allow a user to admin (I do know I login/password as unprivileged user).  Maybe add that user to some /etc/group?
[11:02] <Trixisity> but can you see those life streams?
[11:03] <Trixisity> they're .asx
[11:03] <Trixisity> from sites
[11:03] <raetsel> Hmmm fsantos sounds like could be a library path thing then, though can you find the files other than in the rpm? check LD_LIBRARY_PATH maybe?
[11:03] <Trixisity> it's a ms format
[11:03] <returnthis> nis: I even went so far as loggin in as root
[11:03] <djp> Trixisity: links?
[11:04] <returnthis> nis: it looks like ubuntu has handicapped cups for security reasons.... with no docs on how to unhandicap it
[11:04] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, Now i've got it working :D Thanks for the help
[11:04] <fsantos> raetsel: how do I check if a certain lib is installed?
[11:04] <brrrt>  hello, i need help getting my dxr3 card to run, could anyone help please?
[11:04] <Trixisity> djp: http://interactive.creflodollarministries.org/broadcasts/wcm80w_v.asx
[11:04] <returnthis> my current theory: if I can figure out what a cups uri is, I should be able to get it to work
[11:04] <Trixisity> can you watch this?
[11:05] <djp> Trixisity: according to my plugins i should be able to, however proof is in the testing and all that ...
[11:05] <nis> returnthis: have you been able to use cups on other platforms okay?
[11:05] <returnthis> nis: this is the first time I have used a printer in 15yrs of computers
[11:05] <djp> Trixisity: giving it a try...
[11:05] <returnthis> its proving to be quite challenging
[11:06] <fsantos> ok
[11:06] <returnthis> setting up a build farm was easier (and more thoroughly documented)
[11:06] <SysFail> printers suck
[11:06] <nis> fsantos: I usually list /var/lib/dpkg/info to figure out if something is installed or not.  Dunno if ubuntu places them there; if it's debian-based it should.
[11:06] <fsantos> raetsel: I have run a find and got libXaw.so.7
[11:06] <raetsel> as soon as a computer system has to talk to paper you are asking for trouble :o)
[11:07] <raetsel> fsanstos: do you have the synaptic GUI package mgr?
[11:07] <djp> Trixisity: totem opens up but it then informs me that the plugin is not supported
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: ah - good - sorry I was looking at work on another desktop
[11:07] <nis> returnthis: haha (15 yrs remark).  Know the feeling.  cups never worked for me .. then one day it did.
[11:08] <spiral> hmmm, any new about openoffice2 testing packages upgrades ?
[11:08] <nis> returnthis: I thought ubuntu was supposed to 'just work' hehe.
[11:09] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, np ;P now when i have the music i'll try with some IM :P
[11:09] <thoreauputic> nis: it did for me (tm)
[11:09] <nis> How do I silence all the join/leave messages in bitchx?  I rarely IRC.
[11:09] <elshadii> I'm trying to find a mail notification pannel applet for gnome anyone have an opinion?
[11:09] <djp> Bauhn: did you get your mp3's to play?
[11:09] <DoppelGanger> ha ha bitchx
[11:09] <thoreauputic> nis: get a decent client ? (joke)
[11:10] <Bauhn> djp, yes :D
[11:10] <airox> Can I install ndiswrapper modules when I run the livecd ?
[11:10] <fsantos> raetsel: yes. I'm looking at it but can't find which package contains that lib... The RPM I mentioned eralier was found using google but I do not want to install it as I may break something.
[11:10] <Bauhn> djp, do you know a good instant messenger which works with msn?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> nis: seriously, if you like cli clients, try irssi
[11:10] <airox> Cause it doesn't seem to have the ndiswrapper modules ...
[11:10] <djp> Bauhn: :) good!
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: gaim
[11:10] <raetsel> fsantos: in the synaptic mgr just click search and enter libaw6
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: installed by default
[11:11] <nis> thoreauputic: I generally use silc
[11:11] <djp> Bauhn: i don't to be honest. only really use IRC. Gaim is popular but i don't know if it supports msn or not?
[11:11] <raetsel> it has the lovely ubuntu family circle by it in on my system fsantos so it part of the main ( I think )
[11:11] <spiral> djp: I think so
[11:11] <thoreauputic> nis: ah, OK - I don't know that one
[11:11] <elshadii> Bauhn, gaim suppots msn
[11:11] <Bauhn> thoreauputic, yes. i thought of gaim to.. but when i looked at their homepage i couldn't find any version for ubuntu or debian or something that i know is working with ubuntu.. which should i take
[11:11] <Bauhn> ?
[11:12] <spiral> Bauhn: apt-get install gaim
[11:12] <djp> Bauhn: gaim should be installed by default
[11:12] <ve3ixi> same something brilliant...up and running for an hour with ubuntu warty
[11:12] <raetsel>  yes gaim supports MSN but aMSN is a nicer interface
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: ubuntu *comes* with gaim
[11:12] <Bauhn> does it? :O
[11:12] <Bauhn> hahahaha
[11:12] <Bauhn> i didn't know that ;P
[11:12] <nis> thoreauputic: silc (www.silcnet.org?) is irssi-based but has added stuph
[11:12] <spiral> raetsel: hmmm... I find it quite ugly, I mean aMSN...
[11:12] <thoreauputic> applications > internet > gaim
[11:12] <usual> calc: you around?
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> bitlbee
[11:13] <ve3ixi> ok guys yahoo messenger work with ubuntu
[11:13] <calc> usual: yes
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> is also msn
[11:13] <thoreauputic> nis: I see - thanks for the link :)
[11:13] <ve3ixi> ???
[11:13] <SysFail> bitlbee is cool
[11:13] <SysFail> is that in synaptic?
[11:13] <raetsel> Well it's as ugly as the windoze version I guess, Spiral :o)
[11:13] <usual> calc: you use kde (i think) do you know if konq can do ftp and ssh like nautilus can?
[11:13] <ve3ixi> and which download at the yahoo site?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> sysyes
[11:13] <calc> usual: konq can do anything
[11:13] <djp> Trixisity: mplayer seems to be the answer to many peoples problems with the file type you want to use
[11:13] <fsantos> raetsel: Dude... You just made my day! Thank you for showing me the obvious... ;-) I was trying to browse for it and couldn't find it anywhere. Search worked just fine! Excellent!
[11:13] <calc> usual: much more than what nautilus can
[11:13] <thoreauputic> hehe SysFail : yes
[11:14] <usual> calc: ok, I tried putting ssh://site:port and it opens a term
[11:14] <raetsel> Aww fsantos that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling :o)
[11:14] <calc> usual: try fish://
[11:14] <calc> usual: the kinfocenter (iirc) has a list of all the kioslaves
[11:14] <spiral> usual: sftp:/
[11:14] <raetsel> beginners luck mind you, I only installed Ubuntu yesterday
[11:14] <usual> k
[11:14] <usual> ty
[11:14] <spiral> calc: better than fish, isn't it ?
[11:15] <raetsel> so anyone know how to unsubscribe an account on the ubuntu website?
[11:15] <calc> spiral: i think so, i don't remember what the difference is
[11:15] <djp> any dar users online yet? :D
[11:15] <raetsel> It's looking seriously like a Hotel California situation
[11:15] <calc> i think fish is like scp and sftp is sftp...
[11:15] <Fl-i-nT> jnc, anythign yet?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> raetsel: does it matter if you have two accounts?
[11:16] <raetsel> well I guess not, thoreauputic but I just wanted to be economical
[11:16] <thoreauputic> calc: fish uses some kind of clever perl script IIRC
[11:16] <raetsel> just think of the extra bytes my settings take up on the ubuntu servers
[11:17] <spiral> calc: I thought fish was kind of a "hack"... using ssh, cat, ls & co to transfer files... & sftp used a "new" function provided by the ssh servers
[11:17] <raetsel> not going well then, returnthis?
[11:17] <calc> spiral: ah maybe it is, i haven't used it much
[11:17] <thoreauputic> raetsel: band width hog! *grin*
[11:17] <Anubis> Nvidia installer won't work with 2.10.5 kernel
[11:17] <returnthis> ok... why the hell would the default print manager be something so inebriated as gnome-cups-manager??
[11:17] <Anubis> only 2.6.10.3
[11:17] <Anubis> anyone experience similar
[11:17] <Anubis> I have the linux-headers
[11:18] <raetsel> On Mandrake I had a WEB browser based cups install that worked well. Any chance you can get that for ubuntu?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> returnthis: have you read Eric Raymond's rant about cups?
[11:18] <Anubis> raetsel, webmin
[11:18] <thoreauputic> returnthis: cups has a ways to go....
[11:18] <returnthis> that is what all docs say to use... and ubuntu decided to disable it
[11:18] <returnthis> yeah read that
[11:18] <raetsel> lol@thoreauputic, plus it impinges my human rights , right to pribacy
[11:19] <raetsel> no separate from webmin, Anubis
[11:19] <raetsel> -b+v
[11:19] <nis> I like CUPS but I'd hate to have to understand or support it. ;)
[11:19] <SysFail> great nick anubis
[11:19] <returnthis> so I have been trying to figure out how re-enable cups web interface
[11:19] <SysFail> Anubis
[11:19] <SysFail> heh
[11:19] <Anubis> thx
[11:19] <SysFail> you a stargate fan?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> raetsel: yeah, all those check boxes on the ubuntu site asking if you want to be sent the latest product information and magazines... really intrusive ;-)
[11:20] <returnthis> how much is paid support for ubuntu?
[11:20] <MMond> depends
[11:20] <odie5533> how do I start the sound server?
[11:20] <Anubis> any k7 uesrs here with nvidia?
[11:20] <raetsel> try this link, return this http://faq.jdshelp.org/faq/cache/166.html
[11:20] <djp> Anubis: yes
[11:20] <Anubis> who also oused the nvidia installer?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> returnthis: a question for Canonical :)
[11:21] <Anubis> djp, latest nvidia driver?
[11:21] <raetsel> now it is just plain irritating thoreauputic. Their joining email ought to say - if you wish to unsubscribe click here
[11:22] <djp> Anubis: no. i used the nvidia-glx driver in the universe repo
[11:22] <Trixisity> Why can't my pc find the apt-get packages?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> raetsel: agreed
[11:22] <Anubis> uh
[11:22] <Anubis> why are people still using the old nvidia driver?
[11:22] <returnthis> raetsel: I think that might be it
[11:22] <Anubis> that driver blows for my card
[11:22] <Trixisity> when I type apt-get totem-xine
[11:22] <Trixisity> he can't find it
[11:23] <raetsel> *raetsel is two for two (maybe)*
[11:23] <djp> Anubis: that driver works fine for me. i only have an old geforce2 mx card though
[11:23] <nis> djp: running an iMac?
[11:23] <Anubis> djp, I have a Geforce4 MMX 440 and I gained 200fps!
[11:23] <djp> Trixisity: have you setup your repos?
[11:23] <Trixisity> I'm new to ubuntu
[11:24] <Trixisity> I don't know what repos is
[11:24] <raetsel> I can't even find the appropriate place to post a question about unsubscribing. Is ubuntu part of the Illuminati? :o)
[11:24] <conner> Anubis: what kernel are you running? I have that card.
[11:24] <returnthis> hrmmm not it
[11:24] <raetsel> awww, sorry returnthis, (hits the post)
[11:24] <Anubis> conner, Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-3-k7 #1 Tue Feb 15 20:45:29 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:24] <returnthis> there are big red letters saying the web ui has been disabled
[11:25] <returnthis> with instructions specific to ubuntu
[11:25] <conner> Anubis: Thanks. I'm running the 2.6.10-5-686 kernel and it doesn't work on mine.
[11:25] <Anubis> conner, try that kernel and the nvidia installer and see if it works?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Trixisity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:25] <nis> So where do I get a list of ubuntu mirrors?
[11:26] <returnthis> ok spent too much time on this....
[11:26] <returnthis> thnx for the help
[11:26] <nis> returnthis: good luck.
[11:26] <Trixisity> thanks
[11:26] <conner> Anubis: Can't run that kernel. I have a P4.
[11:26] <Anubis> conner, the P4 version of that kernel version then?
[11:27] <returnthis> oh cool... no support for universe ... where I had to get the print driver from
[11:27] <returnthis> *sigh*
[11:27] <conner> Anubis: I'll try back-rev'ing to that version and see if it is a recent problem. It was running fine when I was on the earlier 386 kernel.
[11:27] <nis> returnthis: Aw, c'mon. Enjoy the hack.
[11:28] <odie5533> How do I set the flash screen in gnome?
[11:28] <djp> nis: no
[11:28] <raetsel> returnthis this link suggests you are on a hiding to nothing for cups webmin http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2126.html
[11:28] <geneo93> is the iso torrent any newer than just the iso's
[11:28] <raetsel> I take it the gnome interface won't do what you want, returnthis?
[11:28] <tullyan> hi
[11:28] <tullyan> i am new here
[11:28] <raetsel> hi tullyan, so am I
[11:28] <djp> Anubis: well done! i don't use the pc for gaming to be honest though...
[11:29] <tullyan> i have a little problem with my ubuntu
[11:29] <thoreauputic> hmm, the screenshot has disappeared from  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto  for some reason...
[11:29] <tullyan> hi raetsel
[11:29] <nis> Every set of controls on the computer should have an 'AND I MEAN IT' button or modifier.
[11:29] <tullyan> can anyone help me!
[11:29] <tullyan> ?
[11:29] <tullyan> please!
[11:29] <wastrel> hi!
[11:29] <tullyan> hi!
[11:29] <jujusix> there are french people?
[11:30] <raetsel> what's the problem tullyan?
[11:30] <wastrel> i see french people
[11:30] <returnthis> raetsel: no it doesn't... and whenever I get close gnome-cups crashes
[11:30] <thoreauputic> tullyan: hard to say since you haven't asked anything else...
[11:30] <tullyan> i have a problem with my user
[11:30] <tullyan> when i start my computer
[11:30] <thoreauputic> tullyan: be concise and informative, please
[11:30] <tullyan> and ubuntu is starting to ling screen
[11:30] <returnthis> will save this for another day, thnx
[11:30] <tullyan> the sound is al right
[11:31] <tullyan> but after login of only one special user
[11:31] <raetsel> tullyan is really building the tension :o)
[11:31] <tullyan> the sound won work anymore
[11:31] <odie5533> Is there a way to set the splash scren startup on gnome?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> tullyan:  is that user in the audio group?
[11:31] <tullyan> audio grou?
[11:31] <tullyan> p?
[11:31] <raetsel> is that if you login directly as that user tullyan or of you switch to that user after logging in as another?
[11:32] <tullyan> direct login
[11:32] <tullyan> the sound worked until yesterday
[11:32] <thoreauputic> tullyan: to use sound, the user must be in the audio group
[11:32] <raetsel> ah I found I can't switch to another user ang get the sound to worl
[11:32] <raetsel> -l+k
[11:32] <phw> thoreauputic: he is using the std ubuntu user
[11:32] <phw> so he should be
[11:32] <tullyan> yes
[11:32] <thoreauputic> tullyan: type ` groups ` in  terminal to see the groups the user belongs to
[11:33] <thoreauputic> phw: are you sure ?
[11:33] <phw> well you always can try
[11:33] <tullyan> ok wait
[11:33] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups
[11:33] <tullyan> tullyan
[11:33] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $
[11:33] <phw> oh
[11:33] <raetsel> ah
[11:33] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:33] <nis> thoreauputic: ha!  never seen the 'groups' command before!  cool.
[11:33] <phw> tullyan: have you deleted your user and added it?
[11:34] <maxchee> how to uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[11:34] <tullyan> maybe
[11:34] <tullyan> i think so
[11:34] <tullyan> why?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> tullyan: you will have to add yourself to all default groups
[11:34] <tullyan> oh
[11:34] <tullyan> aha
[11:34] <nis> maxchee: that target has a *lot* of dependencies.
[11:34] <djp> anyone using dar to auto backup?
[11:35] <conner> tullyan: Here's what shows on mine. conner adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:35] <phw> tullyan then "usermod tullyan -G audio"
[11:35] <Anubis> djp, it worked?
[11:35] <tullyan> ok i will try that
[11:35] <tullyan> wait shortly
[11:36] <raetsel> or you could use the user tool under Computer->System Configuration
[11:36] <djp> Anubis: i am having problems getting the cron job to work...
[11:36] <thoreauputic> tullyan: to take effect, adding a user to a group requires logout/login
[11:36] <djp> Anubis: managed to make a full backup from command line
[11:36] <Anubis> djp, I meant the kernel and nvidia?
[11:36] <nis> Well it's back to the great download of all the .debs for ubuntu.  Best regards, all. -nis
[11:36] <raetsel> phw doesn't usermod -G change it to be just that one group rather than adding that group to the list of allowable groups?
[11:37] <ephemeral> can anyone explain why [http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso]   didnt come with GNOME>?
[11:37] <raetsel> on hpux you have have to use usermod -G g1,g2,g4 etc
[11:37] <thoreauputic> he should use  sudo adduser "user" "group"
[11:37] <djp> Anubis: sorry! no i haven't tried it. happy with my setup in that department for now. dar is my problem at the moment! ;)
[11:37] <phw> raetsel no -g does do that
[11:37] <thoreauputic> but there's a GUI for it in system administration
[11:37] <phw> -G are secondary groups
[11:37] <dashnu> sudo vi /etc/group ;)
[11:37] <dashnu> -G is for multiple groups
[11:37] <nis> raetsel: -G is correct as you state it.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> dashnu: that's another way
[11:37] <thoreauputic> yes
[11:38] <odie5533> Is there any good ftp software for ubuntu?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> adduser is quick for one user/froup
[11:38] <raetsel> use the pointy-clicky tool tallyan
[11:38] <wastrel> ftp server or client?
[11:38] <raetsel> The man for usermod says :" If the user
[11:38] <odie5533> client
[11:38] <raetsel>               is currently a member of a group which is not listed,  the  user
[11:38] <raetsel>               will be removed from the group
[11:38] <raetsel> "
[11:38] <wastrel> client:  commandline ncftp gui gftp
[11:38] <plagerism> whats the piece of software that catches keystrokes and tells you what the were??
[11:38] <dashnu> ncftp has my vote
[11:38] <tullyan> hi guys
[11:39] <raetsel> there is a certain irony in your name and your request plagerism :o)
[11:39] <thoreauputic> plagerism: a keylogger?
[11:39] <dashnu> installing ubuntu for my dad :D
[11:39] <jk> plagerism:  xev
[11:39] <tullyan> i added my usr
[11:39] <tullyan> to the named groups
[11:39] <raetsel> did it work tullyan?
[11:39] <nis> plagerism: 'script'
[11:39] <tullyan> no, i am afraid
[11:39] <HillTop> DarthFrog, calc, I tried The Famous Fork Bomb in Kubuntu Hoary livecd on a 200MH and it locked up in less than a second. Mouse, stuck, top in console stopped. ctrl-alt-backspace -- nothing.  :(
[11:39] <djp> thoreauputic: u don't happen to have any idea about cron jobs do you? :)
[11:39] <tullyan> when i start real player
[11:39] <tullyan> it tells me;
[11:39] <thoreauputic> tullyan: did ou log out and in again?
[11:39] <plagerism> jk thank you
[11:39] <plagerism> thats the one
[11:39] <tullyan> that the audio device cannot be startet
[11:39] <tullyan> my mixer says
[11:39] <ephemeral> can anyone explain why [http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso]   didnt come with GNOME>?
[11:40] <tullyan> no mixer support of device
[11:40] <nis> raetsel: ha (irony remark)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> djp: no, not really - the syntax is kind of arcane
[11:40] <raetsel> what does "groups" show you now  tullyan?
[11:40] <tullyan> anyone have an idea?
[11:40] <djp> thoreauputic: oh well, worth a shot... ;)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> djp: I  haven't had a need for it (smal home network)
[11:40] <tullyan> hm...
[11:40] <tullyan> still nothing
[11:40] <tullyan> strange
[11:40] <tullyan> ...
[11:41] <raetsel> tullyan try a groups command for a user that does work and a groups command for one that does not
[11:41] <dashnu> raetsel, what groups you are currently in
[11:41] <nis> djp: what? u want to know how to instantiate a std cron job?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> djp: KDE has a poit 'n click tool for it - dunno about gnome
[11:41] <phw> tullyan what does "groups" return?
[11:41] <_linux_newb_away> CPU[Pentium II (Klamath) clocked at 300.094 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.8-2-686 i686]   Up[-7:00-]   Mem[-172.324/187.48MB-]   HDD[-15GB(16%used)-]   Procs[-52-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1] 
[11:41] <djp> thoreauputic: trying to automate a backup here iz all
[11:41] <raetsel> simon adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups andreas
[11:41] <tullyan> andreas : andreas dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups tullyan
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan : tullyan
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $
[11:41] <tullyan> tullyan does not work
[11:42] <raetsel> tullyan I would try the graphical tull under Computer-System Configuration->User & Groups
[11:42] <phw> tullyan is you user you use called "andreas" ?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> tullyan: "tullyan" is the one that needs to be added
[11:42] <tullyan> the user that works is andreas
[11:42] <phw> or tullyan?
[11:42] <tullyan> the user that does not
[11:42] <tullyan> is tullyan
[11:43] <phw> well then you have to add the user tullyan to the other groups
[11:43] <phw> so its just
[11:43] <tullyan> i already tried with that tool
[11:43] <phw> usermod tullyan -G tullyan dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:43] <[FiDO] > can anyone suggest a good p2p program other then bittorrent to use for linux
[11:43] <raetsel> oh and what does it do tullyan?
[11:43] <nis> djp:  export VISUAL=vim && crontab -e
[11:43] <linuxnoob> hey, has anyone been able to install eutils??
[11:44] <_linux_newb_> hello linuxnoob
[11:44] <linuxn00b> Hi :)
[11:44] <djp> nis: what does that do?
[11:44] <raetsel> you might need commas to separate them not white space , phw
[11:44] <tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ usermod tullyan -G tullyan dialout cdrom floppy audio
[11:44] <tullyan> usermod: Benutzer audio nicht vorhanden
[11:44] <phw> oh yes sure
[11:44] <phw> sorry
[11:44] <nis> djp: puts you into the vim editor editing your crontab.
[11:44] <vafnord> I just changed out an nvidia graphics card for an oldish ATI card.  Can someone help me with my XF86Config?
[11:44] <raetsel> use , instead of whitespace
[11:44] <phw> tullyan you have to use colons instead of spaces
[11:44] <raetsel> commas
[11:44] <phw>  usermod tullyan -G tullyan,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio
[11:45] <raetsel> that's the boy
[11:45] <nis> djp: at least in debian it does, and in every (just about) Linux I've used (many).
[11:45] <thoreauputic> tullyan: wrong syntax
[11:45] <thoreauputic> -G in wrong place
[11:45] <dashnu> usermod -G adm,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,src,video,plugdev,lpadmin,scanner tullyan
[11:45] <djp> nis: sorry, i have edited my crontab. my problem is this ...No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program. Reading config file: /root/.darrc
[11:45] <raetsel> hehe it's an international usermod competition
[11:45] <DarthFrog> W00t!  I just installed Wine and now have DVD Shrink working in linux. :-)
[11:46] <dashnu> :D i came in late on the conv.. i shall butt out
[11:46] <vafnord> What's DVD Shrink?
[11:46] <raetsel> and the prize goes to dashnu
[11:46] <raetsel> you got it I think dashnu
[11:46] <dashnu> heh
[11:46] <nis> djp: Sounds like you have to redirect input for the job you're calling.  I've never done that; I generally craft a shell script and direct output to /dev/null.
[11:46] <tullyan> hm
[11:47] <DarthFrog> vafnord: It's a freeware Windows program that decrypts commercial DVDs and shrinks them to DVR-R size for burning.
[11:47] <nis> djp: e.g.   sh ./myscript < commands.txt    <-- redirects input from a file called commands.txt
[11:47] <linuxn00b> so has anyone been able to install eutils, because I can't install it even after a fresh install
[11:47] <djp> nis: can i point you to the script in question?
[11:48] <nis> djp: not yet.  I haven't installed ubuntu.  I'm running debian woody on powerpc.
[11:49] <nis> djp: but you can mail it to me at 'chris@river.org' if you like.  I'll take a look at it.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> nis: ppc ubuntu rocks! :D
[11:49] <djp> nis: http://gradha.sdf-eu.org/textos/dar-differential-backup-mini-howto.en.html#setting-up-some-scripts-to-automate-the-process
[11:49] <nis> thoreauputic: does it?  I'm praying it fixes a few things that are bugging me.  <-- iMac G4 w/flat panel here.
[11:49] <raetsel> tullyan has gone very quiet
[11:49] <djp> nis: sorry, it is actually available to see in html
[11:49] <nis> djp: rgr.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> nis: I have warty on my iBook G4 1.2 Ghz
[11:49] <vafnord> oooh
[11:50] <vafnord> I just changed out an nvidia graphics card for an oldish ATI card.  Can someone help me with my XF86Config?
[11:50] <djp> nis: that is basically what i am using. as i say though, when i run it, said problem is reported in my mbox
[11:51] <raetsel> aufweidersehen, tullyan
[11:51] <thoreauputic> nis: the only real problem is unsupported Airport Extreme
[11:51] <nis> djp: do u know that the trailing \ chars must be the very last chars on that line?
[11:52] <djp> nis: let me check that...
[11:52] <nis> thoreauputic: I just want APM to work, and a way to dim the LCD backlight to nothing. ;)
[11:52] <nis> I'm burning an expensive iMac by running it full-on, 24/7.
[11:53] <maxchee> does anyone know how to uninstall ubuntu-desktop package completely along with all dependancies?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> nis: brightness control works well on the iBook ( goes to blackness if desired) The keys for it work fine
[11:53] <nis> thoreauputic: wow.
[11:53] <thoreauputic> nis: I also got mac-on-linux running on it
[11:53] <raetsel> well when I was playing around with firefox upgrade maxchee I seemed to uninstall it using synaptic mgr
[11:54] <conner> maxchee: check out debfoster. apt-get install debfoster (but you might need universe)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> the sound keys and all work , too
[11:54] <nis> thoreauputic: been running M-O-L for 2 yrs.  Sound started working better about 9 months ago.
[11:54] <nis> harrenschmitt (sp) is gh0d
[11:54] <djp> nis: my scripts are identical in layout to those at the link given, with just some changes to obvious locations and devices
[11:54] <DarthFrog> maxchee: Use Synaptic.
[11:55] <nis> djp: what's the error again? It wants some kind of interactive input right?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> nis: I enjoy the irony of running windows media player occasionally, on OS-X, on linux ( call me peculiar, but it amuses me to see it in that context)
[11:56] <djp> nis: yes. error is No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program. Reading config file: /root/.darrc
[11:57] <nis> djp: I'd definitely break that script down to components and debug it interactively until it works flawlessly before attempting to make it run under cron.
[11:58] <nis> thoreauputic: I stopped running M-O-L after the Apple great security flaw of last spring.
[11:58] <djp> nis: sure. i think i should give that a go. like you say, get it working then think about attempting to automate it. thanks for looking though.
[11:58] <thoreauputic> nis: I don't know about that - recent mac owner - what was the flaw?
[11:58] <raetsel> djp, using "at now" might be a quicker way to debug it for when it runs without a terminal
[11:58] <nis> djp: sure.  It says something about /system/ in italics.  Is that the user running the cron job?
[11:59] <nis> thoreauputic: well the short version is that you had to d/l like a 65 meg 'patch' from Apple.  I think it was a flaw in Panther. Allowed arbitrary exec. through any web browser.