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=== Beineri has committed some UI fixes to knetworkconfig...
=== Beineri also made a patch against Konserve to fix the worst UI problems - now whom to send? :-)
[09:40] <Beineri> anyway, http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/konserve.diff.bz2
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[10:13] <sabdfl> Beineri: Riddell would be the best person to send them to
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[10:41] <haggai> Beineri: great!  Can you attach the patch to a bug report?
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[11:19] <Beineri> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050321#new
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[11:45] <Beineri> "* Build openoffice.org-kde again." :-)
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[11:59] <dholbach> hi
[12:00] <dholbach> i'm trying to figure out, why kdelibs4-dev on ia64 pulls in  -lXinerama_pic
[12:00] <dholbach> can anyone help me with it?
[12:00] <dholbach> this is the problematic case:   http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/lineak-xosdplugin/1:0.8.3-1/lineak-xosdplugin_1:0.8.3-1_20050321-0911-ia64-failed
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[12:01] <dholbach> it's about "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama_pic"
[12:01] <haggai> dholbach: there's a debian patch in kdelibs that we have to pull out for kubuntu
[12:02] <haggai> dholbach: did you already trace it to kdelibs4-dev or is it a guess?
[12:02] <dholbach> haggai: mkedwards did
[12:03] <haggai> is that a nick?
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[12:03] <dholbach> haggai: yes... he's in here as well
[12:03] <dholbach> haggai: what do i have to do make it work on ia64?
[12:06] <mkedwards> Does ia64 need -fPIC?
[12:15] <mkedwards> dholbach: that "Disable Xinerama_pic hack" change needs to be backported to Ubuntu's qt-x11-free.
[12:17] <dholbach> mkedwards: we're discussing it in the right channel, but i'm not the one who could fix it :-)
[12:25] <haggai> dholbach: because of technical questions or upload rights?
[12:26] <dholbach> both
[12:26] <haggai> :)
[12:26] <dholbach> :-)
[12:26] <dholbach> and i would never imagine to upload qt :-)
[12:26] <dholbach> and be whipped around the channels by you folks :-)
[12:27] <haggai> oooh yesss verwy dangerous here... here be dragons...
[12:27] <haggai> (shh don't tell anyone they're cute)
[12:27] <dholbach> yeah... ;-)
[12:28] <haggai> so the problem is in qt itself?
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[12:30] <mkedwards> haggai: need to diff debian 3:3.2.3-3 against 3:3.2.3-2
[12:31] <haggai> mkedwards: thanks
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[03:06] <ttf> Qerub: can you tell me why gtk2-engines-gtk-qt is not in main?
[03:10] <Qerub> ttf: i'm the debian package maintainer of it, nothing more.
[03:10] <Qerub> ttf: ask amu or Riddell...
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[03:23] <ttf> Qerub: k - thanks
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[03:58] <dholbach> see you later
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[09:35] <haggai> Riddell / amu: HoaryPreviewKnownProblems:  Has anything been fixed or are all these problems still open?  How about we open bug reports for them and add the bugno next to each item in the list?
[09:35] <haggai> ttf can file the bugs for us
[09:35] <haggai> I think otherwise we'll loose track of what still needs doing
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[09:36] <Burgundavia> is there a kde equiv to gksu?
[09:37] <Riddell> haggai: nothing has been fixed although some arn't real problems and some arn't our problem and so forth, but good idea to put them into bugzilla
[09:38] <amu> haggai: working on them, just "fixed" the imap problems in kdepim 
[09:39] <amu> haggai: Riddell isnt it possible to to find a way to communicate in a better way?  
[09:40] <Riddell> we need an action plan
[09:40] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: you should be asking in #kubuntu :). kdesu.
[09:41] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: I am looking to change the deps on qtparted right now
[09:41] <amu> ex. i looked into python-kde, and ask ogra about some help, he told me you ( jr ) still working on it 
[09:41] <Riddell> amu: I'm not activly working on it, it's on my todo list but I'd be happy if someone else did it first
[09:41] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: I am rebuilding as the current one is uninstallable, and am looking at fixing things
[09:42] <amu> Riddell: haggai isnt it possible we use bugzilla for it? 
[09:43] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: does it do kdesudo?
[09:43] <Riddell> amu: for all our to do things?  and assign each entry to whoever it doing it?
[09:43] <Beineri> Shouldn't there be a openoffice.org-kde_1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1_i386.deb next to the gtk one now? :-|
[09:44] <amu> Riddell: yep
[09:44] <haggai> amu: tht's what I meant by 'How about we open bug reports for them'
[09:44] <haggai> Beineri: it needed changes to the package
[09:44] <amu> Riddell: haggai i force to users on #kubuntu to report their probs to bugzilla 
[09:45] <Beineri> haggai: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/003873.html says "Build openoffice.org-kde again"
[09:45] <apokryphos> (amu: do you prefer that?)
[09:45] <Beineri> haggai: and there was a *-successful build log. 
[09:45] <amu> 21:28 < billytwowilly> any idea when  python-kde3 will be updated?
[09:46] <haggai> Beineri: ah right, in that case it needs elmo love
[09:46] <amu> apokryphos: sorry? 
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[09:46] <apokryphos> amu: do you prefer that we report our woes on bugzilla?
[09:47] <apokryphos> (essentially dependency issues/broken-packages etc.)
[09:48] <amu> apokryphos: yes, it's easier to follow, who's working on it, you see the status about an bug ... 
[09:49] <haggai> amu: if you actually work on a bug then accept it.  I'll reassign to myself if I start on one
[09:49] <apokryphos> Alright; I'll put one in about kde-devel; I see you're already working on the PyKDE one...
[09:49] <haggai> ttf: can you make issues for KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems items please?
[09:49] <haggai> uh, bugs.  They're issues on OOo :)
[09:52] <amu> apokryphos: yep, i fixed the depends and run a testbuild, got some error's and ask agra for help, than he told me someone other was working before on it. That's very frustationg and wasted time. 
[09:53] <apokryphos> amu: sorry to hear that :(. It's down to libkcal2 as far as I can see. So, what do you reckon, no bug report?
[09:56] <amu> apokryphos: no a bugreport is fine, it doesnt matter about what, better 1 useless bugreport as some 1h lost time
[10:00] <Riddell> amu, haggai: for your information my current to do list is topped with putting the website in a baz repository so that other people can look after it, then sorting out the kde 3.4 modules that arn't done yet then all the other things
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[10:42] <haggai> Riddell: great thanks.
[10:42] <mdz> Riddell: are you able to migrate it to the server we provided as well?
[10:44] <Riddell> mdz: did that last week
[10:44] <mdz> Riddell: oh, good
[10:45] <mdz> and k.ubuntu.com is live as well, I see
[10:45] <Riddell> means I didn't get to test my servers against a slashdotting, but on the other hand it also means kubuntu didn't make me go over a monthly bandwidth quota again
[10:46] <Riddell> no movement on kubuntu.org yet
[10:46] <mdz> I have pinged
[10:47] <Beineri> Riddell: no slashdotting? there was a slashdot story
[10:47] <mdz> Beineri: he moved the site first
[10:48] <ttf> haggai: yup - working on it
[10:48] <Riddell> Beineri: slashdot story was after I moved the website from my server to ubuntu server
[10:51] <mdz> when would be a good day to hold a Kubuntu development meeting?
[10:51] <Riddell> mdz: covering what?
[10:51] <mdz> amu,Riddell,haggai: ?
[10:51] <haggai> yup
[10:51] <mdz> Riddell: status review, milestones for the remainder of the release cycle
[10:52] <amu> yep?
[10:52] <mdz> sometime this week
[10:52] <mdz> tuesday is a CC meeting, thursday I have another meeting
[10:53] <mdz> wednesday or friday?
[10:53] <amu> let's have Thu. a milestone-meeting?  
[10:53] <haggai> I can't do Friday
[10:53] <Riddell> wednesday is good for me (as indeed is any day other than tomorrow)
[10:54] <amu> wed. is also fine for me
[10:55] <haggai> wed is ok too
[10:55] <Riddell> now we just need a time :)
[10:56] <mdz> anytime after about 1700 UTC is good for me
[10:57] <Riddell> how about 17:00 GMT?
[10:59] <haggai> at 1700 I have people coming to view our house.  My preference would be sometime between 19-2200, but I can make from 1730 if that fits better with everyone else
[11:02] <Riddell> I have no preference
[11:03] <mdz> 1900 is fine
[11:03] <mdz> amu?
[11:04] <amu> ack, doesnt matter for which time or date, i'm allways on ;)
[11:08] <haggai> ttf: can you be around then too?
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[11:14] <ttf> yup - there
[11:31] <mdz> ok, 1900 UTC, Wednesday 23 March
[11:31] <mdz> see you there
[11:31] <mdz> haggai: selling your house?
[11:36] <haggai> mdz: I wish :-/  Our landlord is selling our house :(
[11:36] <haggai> mdz: we wanted to stay here until we found somewhere to buy, but now we have to move in mid April
[11:37] <mdz> ugh
[11:37] <Riddell> haggai: I have a room free in my (rented) house, move in with us
[11:37] <haggai> mdz: thanksfully its been put a week back so it won't interfere too much with the kubuntu release