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apokryphosNot quire sure what you mean by that; it's reasonably new to me, but I think I understand what it does... not sure on its actual usage, though. Help/man seem to conflict.12:02
maxcheethx12:04
_P_apokryphos:  do  you  know  when  kdeaddons is  added  to  kubuntu?12:07
apokryphos_P_: nope; though, it has been suggested in the article on the Wiki.12:07
_P_i can't install  because  dependecies problem with  some konq12:08
apokryphosit is an official package released with KDE, so hopefully... soon.12:08
_P_ah 12:08
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delltonyi have a question for some reason when i close my laptop and then come back to it later its as if x dies or something. all i get is a black screen with a flashing cursor in the upper left corner.  I can't launch a virtual shell or anything to see whats going on? any idea. I believe its something with power  management but i don't know how to resolve it. If its hibernation id personally rather get rid of that crap. all if anything i12:43
delltony would like is to simply turn off the monitor nothing more.12:43
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psndelltony: try pressing ctrl+alt+f712:48
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Blissexdelltony: it is probably something like sleep/standby mode...12:50
Blissexdelltony: try switching VTs first to a console one and then back, that often resets things.12:50
Blissexdelltony: as 'psn' suggests 50% of the way.12:50
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delltonyaww ok didn't do the atl f701:00
delltonyi was doing f1 and f201:00
delltonytrying to get a shell to see what was causing it to hang01:00
delltonywill try aft f7 again with the ctrl of course01:00
delltonywhen it happens thanks01:01
delltonyis there anyway to turn off that sleep standby im using 3.4 and hoary preview01:01
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billytwowilly http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot2.png02:29
billytwowillymy kubuntu desktop in all its glory!02:29
|QuaD-beautiful02:32
billytwowillythanks.02:34
billytwowillyKDE is finally working close to how I want it to work;)02:34
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|QuaD-haha02:34
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markchowdy,  what might the default root passowrd be ?03:32
markcfor the livecds, that is03:34
markccan anyone point me to where I might find out what the default root password is for the livecds ? ... I'm kinda stuck and on a borrowed machine to fet to this channel for help03:37
berlimarkc: try sudo?03:39
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mainer1is kde 3.4 a little buggy?,anyone/03:43
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markcberli> thanks, meaning there is no default root password ? I'm used to su - ing to root and continue working that way03:48
berlimarkc: i'm new to ubuntu, but from what I can tell the only way to gain root priv's is via sudo.  the installation doesn't even ask for a root p03:49
berlipw03:49
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Roeycalc:  you're here I see03:49
markcok, I suppose I can use sudo to change the root pw then... doh, I should have thought of that03:49
calcsssh ;)03:49
Roeymarkc:  didnt' work for me03:49
|QuaD-i just apt-get remove kdelibs4 03:49
calcnothing to see here move along ;)03:49
markcare there any docs anywhere on how to remaster kubuntu, or at least unbuntu ?03:50
Roeymarkc:  for me, the root password was already set to soemthing, and I didn't know what it was -- so I solved it by rebooting to the livecd, chroot'ing and doing passwd root  to change the password.03:50
|QuaD-whoooooa calc is here :)03:50
Roeythe legendary calc03:51
Roeycalc:  you have fans03:51
calcheh03:51
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markcRoey> so is the CD just a normal uncompressed isso9660 filesystem ?03:51
Roeymarkc:  it's the livecd that you boot off of03:51
markcRoey> sorry, I don't understand "rebooting to the livecd"... how is that different to just booting up on it normally ?03:52
markcRoey> and how would you permenently change the root password when running it as a livecd ?03:53
markcRoey> sorry to ask you all these questions :-)03:54
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Roeymarkc:  oh it's all fun03:54
Roeymarkc:  so Ubuntu/Kubuntu has this "livecd"03:54
Roeyyou put it in, and you boot to linux03:54
Roeyit runs off the CD (everything there is compressed, and it is uncompressed into memory behind the scenes for you)03:55
markcRoey> iyes, I know all that, already done it, but I'm used to Knoppix and their compressed filesystem... I don't understand what you actually did to change the root password... I presume, so that it was still changed when you ran the livecd ?03:56
RoeyOH03:56
Roeyok03:56
Roeyat the prompt:03:56
Roeymount /dev/hdX /mnt/hdX    #  where hdX is your disk03:57
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Roeychroot /mnt/hdX /bin/bash  # this starts a shell that maps '/' to  /mnt/hdX 03:57
markcRoey> yep, done that... I can see there is a casper/filesystem.cloop so is IS a compressed filesystem, fine03:58
Roeypasswd root  # this will execute /mnt/hdx/sbin/passwd, remember.03:58
Roeynote, hdX is your hard disk03:58
Roeyyou don't have to touch the cloop volume in any way (that is on the CD, leave it as it is)03:58
markcRoey> oh, are you talking about after it's installed onto a partition ?03:59
Roeyyeah03:59
Roeymarkc:  I assume you had this installed and didn't have the root password04:00
Roeysorry, sorry ;)04:00
Roeyyou can use "sudo bash" to get a root shell.04:00
Roeyfrom the ubuntu cd04:00
markc Roey> doh... that simple :-)04:00
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Roeybecause sudo is configured to let you execute any command04:00
Roeyso04:00
Roeysudo ls04:00
Roeysudo blah04:00
Roeysudo bash, why not ;)04:01
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markcRoey> yes, I was talking about using the livecd... I've been using linux for years but I'm not used to using sudo... and for instance knoppix has no root pw so getting to a root prompt is easy... this ain't knoppix :-)04:02
Roeywell in knoppix just do su04:02
Roeywithotu any passwrd.04:02
markcRoey> thanks for your help, appreciated... one more question... is there any docs on how to remaster the livecd ?04:02
Roeymarkc:  :) brb04:02
Roeyoh04:02
Roeyhmm04:03
Roeythe knoppix livecd, or ubuntu?04:03
markcubuntu04:03
markckunbuntu even04:03
RoeyI don't know about ubuntu, but #knoppix and #kanotix can help you with their stuff04:03
RoeyI don't know04:03
Roeybtw kubuntu is just an addon for ubuntu ;)04:03
markcok, thanks heaps :-)04:03
Roeyaye!04:03
Roeyhey04:03
Roeyyou're in oz arent' you04:03
Roey*aren't04:03
markcyes04:03
markc1pm04:04
Roeycool, cool04:04
Roeyhot isn't it?04:04
markcmoderately04:04
RoeyI want to get a house in Australia, and a house in Washington DC -- when it gets cold in one place, I will fly to the other.  Like a duck.04:04
markcI donno, about 25c I think04:04
Roey* 9.0/ 5 + 3204:04
markcheh, I'd go to Tasmania for the summers if I could04:04
Roey77F04:05
Roeyheh04:05
markcabout that, maybe 80f04:05
markcwhere are you ?04:05
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Roeymaryland, usa04:09
Roeybrb04:09
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Roeyhi05:02
RoeyI am compiling my own kernel based on /proc/config.gz config file.05:02
RoeyHow do I make an initrd.img with mkinitrd??05:02
RoeyI want to do this and then be able to use grub-update05:02
Roeyand then I'll be able to choose my new kernel on bootup.05:02
RoeyCan I just symlink an initrd to the existing initrd??05:03
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Sparhawk_roey, if you type mkinitrd it gives you the command line05:26
Sparhawk_but i believe it's somtheing like mkinitrd /boot/initrd-filename kernel-version05:26
Sparhawk_mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.11-roey1 linu-2.6.11-roey105:26
Roeyoh05:26
Roeyoh, ok.05:27
Roeyso the /boot/ininitrd-2.6.11-roey argument is just the name of the output file.05:27
Roeyok.05:27
Roeyand the linu-2.6.11-roey1 is the existing kernel image, great.05:27
Sparhawk_well, it's the name of the /lib/modules kernel version05:27
Sparhawk_without the /lib/modules05:27
Roeyok.05:27
RoeySparhawk_: how do I know which modules to add to this rdinit.img ?05:28
Sparhawk_i don't use that file, i just put everything in mkinitrd05:28
RoeySparhawk_: how does it know which System.map it should include?05:28
Roeywhat's everything05:28
Sparhawk_note, i've never done this on debian or ubuntu, only gentoo05:28
Roeyok05:28
Sparhawk_default mkinitrd is everything i think05:28
Roeyok05:28
Roeywhat05:28
Roeyall the modules???05:28
Sparhawk_system.map is not needed i think.  05:29
Roeythat's crazy.. I built all of them05:29
Sparhawk_all the modules in the initrd is not a problem05:29
Roeyit'll stuff all several hundred megs of modules???05:29
regeyagah!  my monitor is going to die, and that makes me sad.05:29
Sparhawk_it's only used to get past the first stage of boot05:29
Sparhawk_you do not have several hundred megs of miodules, /lib/modules should only be a couple meg05:29
Roeyok05:29
RoeySparhawk_: I built everything anyway (cat /proc/config.gz > .config)05:30
Roeyer05:30
Roeyzcat /proc/config.gz05:30
Roeythat was just so that I could get the same kernel more or less as the default Ubuntu one05:30
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Sparhawk_53m for 2.6.10-5-k7 ubuntu kernel, but the init does not actually store the moudles, just pointers05:30
Sparhawk_i'm not a kernel hacker, i'm more of those "it just works" kind of guys05:31
Roeyok05:32
Roeylemme try then05:32
Roeyso it's:05:32
Roeymkinitrd initrd_img kernel_img ?05:32
Roeyarg this don't work.05:34
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Roeyis there a way to just add a newly compile kernel to the grub system?05:44
Roeywith minimum pain and rdinit crap?05:44
Roey:)05:44
psoulocybeumm... how do i take a screenshot in kubuntu?05:47
neompsoulocybe - ksnapshot05:59
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songokuhi all06:15
songokui can't figure out why konq open new links in the same window 06:16
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songokuis this a bug of kubuntu preview or something related with kde 3.4?06:17
billytwowillycan anyone point me to more documentation on the extensions thing in konqueror 3.4?06:23
billytwowillyis there a site of extensions?06:24
neomhttp://neom.ca/1a.jpg or http://neom.ca/1b.jpg - What do you like better?06:24
billytwowilly1b06:25
billytwowilly1a is depressing.06:25
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neomhm06:26
P2291a is cooler, imho06:28
treke|homebillytwowilly: They are part of kdeaddons06:29
treke|homebillytwowilly: which isnt available in kubuntu at the moment06:29
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billytwowillytreke|home: Darn. Is there a list of what are there? I'm jonesing for some bugmenot plugin goodness;)06:29
treke|homebugmenot? Probably not included06:30
billytwowillynoooo!06:30
regeyaoooh bugmenot06:30
billytwowillyit isn't there.06:30
billytwowillyI found some info.06:30
billytwowillyfirefox has a sweet bugmenot extension.06:30
regeyaone of the things that has me thinking of installing firefox06:30
billytwowillyYah, firefox is nice, quite nice.06:30
billytwowillyI actually like it better than konqueror, but konqueror looks better in kde.06:31
billytwowillywhen I look at firefox in kde something strikes me as wrong.06:31
P229http://adblock.mozdev.org is why I can't use any other browser06:31
P229billytwowilly, try installing a different firefox theme06:31
billytwowillyso, the html rendering engine in firefox is being ported to konqueror, how about the extension engine?;)06:32
billytwowillyThere isn't one that quite fits my desktop06:32
treke|homethe renderer would just plug in in the place of khtml, so not much would really change plugin wise06:32
billytwowillyall I really need to be happy with konqueror is a google search thing like in firefox (which I think is possible, I just haven't figured it out yet)06:33
billytwowillyand bugmenot would be nice, but not necessary.06:33
treke|homethat's part of kdeaddons06:33
billytwowillythe google thing?06:34
treke|homeyes06:34
billytwowillyok, I'll just wait for that, the kubuntu guys can't be much longer with it.06:34
billytwowillyThey've had 3.4 out for a week or so now.06:34
treke|homeor just type gg:foo in the title bar06:34
billytwowillyheh, it's not the same;)06:34
billytwowillyhmm.06:35
billytwowillywait, maybe it is. I forgot I modded firefox's behaviour to open searches in a new tab.06:35
P229billytwowilly, you mean the search thing next to the address bar?06:35
billytwowillyyah06:35
P229konqueror has that already06:36
billytwowillywell, when I say "I modded" I really mean "I installed an extension that did it for me.06:36
billytwowillyP229: yah, it's in kdeaddons.06:36
billytwowillytreke already filled me in.06:36
P229oh... silly me, I didn't realize I had that installed06:37
billytwowillywell, thanks guys, I'm going to save my karma and not ask anymore questions for a while;)06:37
billytwowillyttyl06:37
treke|homeP229: Is it part of kdebase? Thought it was in addons06:38
P229treke|home, the google thing? I actually have no idea. I mostly use gnome, but I have kdeaddons installed and the google search thing does appear in konqueror06:44
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treke|homecool, kubuntu ppc iso is done downloading :)07:32
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HostingGeekkubuntu sucks it should be renamed to kuubuntu07:53
neomwhy?07:56
HostingGeekbecause if ku mean towards07:56
HostingGeekand ubuntu means humanity07:56
HostingGeek...07:56
neomhm07:56
HostingGeekAny way the name doesn't make snese07:56
HostingGeekkde is not towards humanity its towards power users07:57
HostingGeekif kde and gnome would be BSD07:58
HostingGeekgnome would be a mix of freebsd and netbsd07:58
neomWell either way, we just prefer the kde software enviornment...so, yah.07:58
HostingGeekwhile kde will be of just freebsd07:58
treke|homeI dont get the analogy07:58
HostingGeekkde aim is not to be profonal or portable07:59
HostingGeekit real aim is to be configurable07:59
HostingGeekhumanity means things work alike08:05
HostingGeekgnome has a HIG08:05
HostingGeekkde has a pile of  widgets08:05
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treke|homehrmmm. ppc installer doesnt want to work08:22
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kbittyhttp://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=2204208:32
kbittykubuntu blue and true08:33
neomAre you a girl?08:35
neomheh08:35
kbittylol08:35
kbittyits purple!08:36
neomriiiight. ;P08:36
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neomhttp://neom.ca/kde1.png08:36
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neomsept with 3.4 now.08:36
kbittyhttp://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=22008&file1=22008-1.png&file2=22008-2.png&file3=22008-3.png&name=kubuntu+true08:38
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kbittywith blue08:38
kbittybut i just ripped that wallpaper then the first link08:38
kbittyif you didnt notice the kubuntu on it08:38
kbittytop left08:38
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kbittyno one likes it ?08:40
kbittyne one got ne good bootsplash images they made or grub splash screens?08:40
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treke|homeok that's coool08:58
treke|homesuspend works on my laptop now that I installed ubuntu08:58
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kbittydoes ne one have ne good wallpapper for kubuntu?09:00
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pv_Hi all.10:48
pv_Is anybody else having problems using the Kmail IMAP resources (calendars etc. o10:48
pv_n IMAP) on Hoary's new KDE 3.4.0?10:48
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Quinn_Stormpv_: I think there was a bug something like that in kde3.4 release, not sure if hoary has a patch in the repo yet or not...try making sure you're up-to-date11:00
pv_Quinn_Storm, This was on 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 which seems to be the newest version. (I've also filed #7971 in bugzilla.)11:08
Quinn_Stormpv_: ok, its probably that they haven't totally applied the patch yet...not certain though, sorry I can't help more, I don't use imap myself11:09
pv_Quinn_Storm, Ok, and thanks for the info. 11:11
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marcusTmmm... I still have the looping kbuildsycoca problem11:31
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markcis there a remastering howto somewhere ?11:57
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markcspecific to ubuntu/kubuntu, that is11:57
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marcusTRiddell: ping01:51
marcusTamu: ping01:51
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ShaquileHey.. I just inserted a SoundBlaster Live card... Any ideas how I get it to work?01:54
ubuntuI'm booted up into kubuntu now, is there a way to save my custom settings ?01:54
ubuntuShaquile> modprobe snd-emu10k101:54
Shaquileubuntu: Already done01:54
ubuntuShaquile> woops, I must have the default kubuntu irc nick :-)01:55
Shaquileubuntu: Hehe01:55
ubuntuShaquile> have you run alsamixer and turned up the volumes ?01:55
Shaquileubuntu: That's not the problem.. ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory01:55
ubuntuShaquile> modprobe snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss01:56
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ubuntumy old sblive is beeping away under kubuntu01:57
Shaquileubuntu: already done..01:58
ubuntuwow, irc nicks are unique so that means I must be the only idiot on freenode that's connected via a livecd!!01:58
ubuntudoes /dev/dsp exist (ls -l) ?01:59
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insanekaneamu: you there ?02:01
ubuntumaybe run this and it _might_ help pinpoint your problem http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=aadebug02:01
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chakieoo, lots of people here03:08
chakiei just downsucked the live cd, not even tested it yet, so i'm just a possible wannabe kubuntuer03:10
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rzeihi everyone i just installed kubuntu and .... i don't remember being prompted for a root password at any stage03:13
rzeiis this a known problem? :)03:14
_P_rzei:   there is  not  root passwd 03:15
_P_kubuntu  and  ubuntu  uses sudo 03:15
rzei_P_: oh.. i guessed something like that03:15
rzeiaah, now i've got my root passwd :)03:16
rzeiwhy does it look like that the font size 12 is much bigger than 11 and 13?03:17
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insanekanerzei: maybe u need to turn on anti-aliasing ?03:26
markcrzei> bitstream vera fonts seem to be naturally bigger than helvetica (or airial)03:40
Shaquileubuntulog: Still here?03:40
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Roeymsttcorefonts is not in kubuntu it seems.03:40
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rzeiinsanekane: markc: actually a restart took care of that03:41
markcthe only thing I can't figure is how to save all the settings I've changed in the livecd  so I don't have to to it all again next time I boot into the livecd03:41
rzeibut hey, there are some pretty insane default settings on kubuntu! every text/plain to text/x-c++ is opened to openoffice writer, and kate comes in next? where do i file a bugreport?03:42
markcI thing a tarball of the home dir would be a reasonable workaround03:42
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markcrzei> I don't know where the bug reports should go but the Help -> Report Bug _> Launch Wizard goes to some loval html files so they could be tweaked for kunbuntu... that'd be cool03:44
markclocal03:45
rzeierr.. where's my khexedit?03:45
rzeicome on, what's this, every diff is supposed to be opened with openoffice?03:46
markcperhaps a apt-get install away03:46
markcyuk03:46
rzeimarkc: nah the khexedit is there, but it's just hidden03:46
insanekanerzei: thanks :)03:47
markcwhere was it... which didn't find it for me03:47
rzeidamn there's more to tweak in this than in a lfs system :)03:47
rzeiand i thought i could get away easily :)03:47
insanekanelfs ?03:48
rzeilinuxfromscratch03:48
markcheh, I wonder how long I can last without rebooting! I just spent 2 hours tweaking this livecd instance.03:50
Roey=)03:52
Roeymarkc:  so I see you got some help with that03:52
markcRoey> sorry, with what ? ... no, I haven't figured out how to save all my settings yet... maybe just a tarball of /home/ubuntu might do the trick03:53
Roeymarkc:  with remastering ubuntu livecds? :)03:55
markcah cool, I have a copy of a knoppix save config setup... the tarball is called "config.tbz" and the active script is calle knoppix.sh... hmm, might be able to adapt this for kubuntu03:55
markcRoey> hell no, I haven't got anywhere yet except booted up onto the livecd with root access... and I was silly enough to spend a coupl of hours tweaking things the way I like them... couldn't help meself!03:57
Roey=)03:58
rzeiam i the only one who's kcmshells sigsegv when closing?03:59
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markcyes, cool, knoppix's save settings file is just the home dir plus a couple of dozen files from /etc04:01
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almwhat web browser does everyone prefer?  FF or Konq?04:08
Telep_ff04:08
Telep_although that's just me, not "everyone" ;)04:08
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almI understand, I am using FF now, but considering a switch, I was kinda wondering how flash, movies, etc render in konq04:09
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markcheh, I added a comment to the KubuntuSuggestedPackages wiki, I wonder if anyone else will be interested, and if I can remain booted on this liveCD until there is a working sollution to save my settings :-)04:25
Roey*solution04:29
Roeycool04:29
markcoh yeah :-) stupid keyboard04:33
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markcWOW... apt-get works on this liveCD... damn, I wonder how that works... unionFS perhaps... too cool!04:37
Roeyhmm04:37
Roeyit was not unionfs04:37
Roeyit was something else (i remmeber asking that)04:37
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markcOH NO, there is no PHP in universe... wtf!04:43
markcsurely that can't be04:43
insanekanehahahaha04:45
insanekanelovely :)04:45
BeineriRoey: "device mapper"?04:46
RoeyBeineri:  what of it?04:46
BeineriRoey: instead of unionfs?04:46
RoeyBeineri:  oh! ok04:46
markcdevice mapper ? got a URL ?04:46
RoeyBeineri:  that makes sense.. you have a ram disk and a CD disc and you use LVM to connect them04:46
Roeyhmm04:46
BeineriRoey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDDesign http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCD04:47
Roeymarkc:  #lvm, #evms04:47
markcthanks04:47
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RoeyBeineri:  some of my RAID devices are listed in /proc/mdstat as normal software raid devices (that is, it shows /dev/md2 as sda&sdb), but others are shown with device names like dm-set1 or dm-something-304:50
Roeywhat's up with that?04:50
Roeythat's after my installation of ubuntu04:50
Roeywhy is dm managing any of my physical partitions???04:50
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markcBeineri> those links were exactly what I was after, thank you!!!04:57
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Verwilstdamned the download is slow05:11
Verwilsti had 4meg per second until 520 meg, then it dropped to 15k or so :(05:11
SeeleyUSMCYeah really05:11
SeeleyUSMCI'm running the dl at 10KB/s...started at only 40 too05:12
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Verwilststrange though05:12
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Verwilsti redownloaded it, and the same, first 3-4 meg per second, at +- 520, back to 1605:12
Verwilst7 now even :'05:13
Verwilst:'(05:13
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SeeleyUSMC21kbs now05:15
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berlianyone have a script to fix the KDE text file associations so they don't all open OpenOffice?  I was just doing it manually until i tried to "view source" in konqueror05:27
Telepdoes it still hold true that wireless won't work without gnome-system-tools?05:32
berliTelep: i don't have gnome-system-tools installed and wireless works fine05:41
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spiralhi06:05
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amug'morning all 07:24
thiesenamu: finally.... :-)07:27
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Roeyhi07:42
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RoeyI tried to install a new kernel by building it, then running 'mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5  ;  grub-update'.  Then I tried selecting it from the menu on bootup.  It complains about a 'pivot_error:  no such file' and that it "can't open /dev/console" or something like that.07:44
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benjanethow do i minimize windows on KDE _07:46
Riddellbenjanet: click the minimise button at the top right of the window07:47
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benjanetand ALL windows _07:52
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mfoxelahi,07:55
mfoxelaI have installed the preview yesterday and I am missing the "add new network folder" in konqueror "remote:/"07:56
treke|laptophehe07:57
mfoxelaI have seen this on debian/unstable kde 3.4pre packages07:57
treke|laptopI just noticed that 30 seconds ago :)07:57
mfoxelais this rwmoved from kde final or from kubuntu?07:57
mfoxelas/rwmoved/removed/07:57
treke|laptopfor the time being you can run knetattach to do that07:58
mfoxelathank you for the hint :)07:59
alleebenjanet: alt-ctrl-D08:00
treke|laptopI'd put in a bug report, but I can't get to my mail atm to sign up for bugzilla08:00
benjanetallee, Thanks >D08:01
benjanetallee, Thanks :D08:01
mfoxelaI can do that. bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?08:02
treke|laptophttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ is what  I found08:03
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mfoxelaok08:03
Riddellmfoxela: it's a known issue08:03
mfoxelariddell: ok08:04
Riddellmfoxela: there may already be a bugzilla entry, not sure, you should check first08:04
mfoxelaRiddel: another proposition: what about adding the same tabs to the navigation panel as you can find on the system menu in the panel? 08:06
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mfoxelaI mean the navigation panel of konqueror08:06
treke|laptopRiddell: All in all, I think you've done a terrific job on kubuntu. The default install is really nicely simplified08:07
mfoxelatreke|laptop: you are right, thats the nicest and less bloated default kde installation I have seen08:08
Riddellmfoxela: system menu?08:08
Riddelltreke|laptop: cool, thanks08:08
mfoxelain the panel you have the system button with Home folder, Storage media etc.08:09
Riddellmfoxela: mm hmm08:09
mfoxelaand the same 5 buttons could be found in the konqeror navigation panel08:10
Riddellmfoxela: they're mostly already in the Go menu08:10
Riddellwhich, like the rest of konqueror, could do with some user interface love08:10
mfoxelaridell: you are right, didn't see this08:11
Riddellactually the system panel menu needs some improvements too08:12
benjanetshould i enable "sub pixel hinting" ?08:12
Riddellbenjanet: if you have an LCD screen and know which way round the colours go08:12
treke|laptopbenjanet: do you have an LCD display?08:12
benjanettreke|laptop, nope..CRT :)08:13
mfoxelariddell: I think the hd partitions could be removed from storage media, or at least be separated from removeble media08:14
Riddellmfoxela: agreed, I'll try and investigate that08:15
ztonzyhi :) <--- hellobot :P08:16
ztonzyj/k08:17
ztonzyRiddell, sorry again for Gwenview...I now realize how nice it is inside Konqueror08:17
Riddellztonzy: he he, a convert :)08:17
ztonzyhehe08:17
ztonzyRiddell, what though want...being able to do html gallery of my digicamera pics...also, would be neat08:18
Riddellztonzy: that's in kdeaddons which we havn't done yet08:18
ztonzyRiddell, yepp...hd's away from storage media...have loads of those now in storagemedia list :-/08:19
ztonzyRiddell, ok...no hurry ?08:19
alleeRiddell: what html gallery stuff is in kdeaddons?08:19
Riddellallee: there's a konqueror plugin to make an HTML gallery of all the images in a directory08:21
alleeztonzy:  try kipi-plugins + gwenview or digikam08:21
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ztonzywell... digikam doesn't compress and make image gallery into html what I know, maybe I am wrong...08:22
ztonzykipi ?08:22
`TUX``Riddell: 08:23
alleeztonzy: kipi-plugins, is an enhanced version of image gallery of kdeaddons (I almost sure.  But I now it was a copy from KDE cvs)08:24
`TUX``i need  to  uses cups  from  localhost 08:24
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alleekipi:  KDE Image Plugins Interface08:24
ztonzyallee, thanks! will try and find it08:24
`TUX``but  i can't use  administrator08:24
`TUX``how  can i renable  it?08:24
alleeztonzy, Riddell:   deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./  ;)08:25
ztonzyhmm08:25
ztonzyanother thing08:25
ztonzyRiddell, when I want to install with Kynaptic...the buttons below is not showing...the bottom borders needs to be dragged08:25
Riddellallee: as I say, my the todo list :)08:26
ztonzyallee, what is it ?08:26
ztonzyRiddell, and I need to do it every time08:26
alleeztonzy: what?  the URL?08:26
ztonzyallee, yupp, what does it contain ?08:27
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ztonzyno kipi-plugins in my repositry08:27
DarthFrogRiddell: Did you see where kubuntu is actually a word in one of the Bantu languages?  Means "to humanity". :-)08:27
alleeztonzy: kipi-plugins + latest digikam release.  Try http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php for a list08:28
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RiddellDarthFrog: yes, pretty fortunate really, means the slashdot comments were about that and not slagging off the name :)08:28
Riddellztonzy: which buttons?08:28
DarthFrogRiddell: It'll be more than Slashdot, I'm afraid. 08:28
DarthFrogRiddell: You might want to mention it front and centre on the kubuntu web page. :-)08:29
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treke|laptopmight want to verify it's true before doing that :08:29
treke|laptop:p08:29
RiddellDarthFrog: it's on the FAQ08:30
DarthFrogRiddell: Good idea.08:30
Roeylet's see GNOME folks make up a super-gnome distribution and see how they try and justify Gubuntu.08:30
Riddelland yes, like treke|laptop says :)08:30
benjanetis there an easy way so KDE fonts dont look so bold ?08:30
ztonzyRiddell, continue when want to installed marked stuff in the list08:30
DarthFrogRiddell: have I mentioned just how good a job you guys are doing?  I'm seriously impressed with kubuntu.08:30
BamaJankNot GuGubuntu?08:30
Riddellztonzy: works for me, can you send a screenshot?08:30
treke|laptopRoey: they called it ubuntu :)08:31
ztonzyallee, how to add this into synaptic? (kynaptic doesnt have a repositry lists)08:31
ztonzyRiddell, sure08:31
Roeytreke|laptop:  hence "super-gnome" distribution :)08:32
RoeySo is KDE going to start releasing previews by way of LiveCDs now?08:32
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ztonzyRiddell, can you take DCC ?08:34
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Riddellztonzy: nope, http prefered08:35
ztonzyRiddell, ok, wait08:35
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ztonzyhttp://hem.bredband.net/b311031/tmp/kynaptic_button_bug.png08:37
ztonzylooks like that for me each time08:37
Riddellztonzy: strange.  maybe the layout is done fixed with and you have larger fonts set08:38
ztonzyhmm...settings in Kontrolpanel ?08:38
ztonzystrange08:39
ztonzyall those are 8 points08:39
ztonzyand it is small08:39
alleeztonzy: never used kynaptics.  Booting ...08:41
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ztonzyapokryphos, hey08:53
apokryphosgood evening08:53
damn_yankeedownloading preview release,now..any time-saving tips?08:56
damn_yankeepost-install config's?08:56
apokryphosnot really apart from if you have Ubuntu, don't downoad it. :)08:56
apokryphosNot so much apart from general kcontrol stuff08:57
damn_yankeedon't care for gnome de08:57
apokryphosdamn_yankee: are you currently on ubuntu?08:57
damn_yankeeis kde 3.4 real buggy?08:57
apokryphosNot at all08:57
damn_yankeeno,in windows and run debian-unstable,dual-boot,had o do doc's in winbloze,so dwnlding it now08:58
apokryphosok, cool.08:58
damn_yankeeran wrty 4.10,but i'm not big on Gnome,personal preference08:59
apokryphosWarty progs are very dated compared to hoary08:59
damn_yankeecool..you can upgrade from debian testing/unstable repositorys?09:00
damn_yankeeor from ubuntu,only?09:00
apokryphosIt is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories with a bit of alteration after.09:00
damn_yankeeapt-pinning to the rescue..:)09:01
apokryphossome have had problems though...09:01
damn_yankeeyes,not distro specific prob..09:01
damn_yankeeo.k.,thanks,i'll lurk for a while to see what issues are common,yhanks for response!09:02
damn_yankee28% done09:02
apokryphosno problem09:04
damn_yankee1st time i've booted windows in a month:)09:04
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damn_yankee90% and counting down..09:20
benjanetdo all KDE users see big/bold fonts ??09:21
apokryphosbenjanet: I don't. But you can edit your fonts from kcontrol if there's a problem...09:22
benjanetapokryphos, i find that the standard set of fonts, is wierd in size...copared to the gnome one09:23
apokryphosbenjanet: could you send a screenie, perhaps?09:24
benjaneti tried changing theme, but fonts continue all sizes09:24
apokryphosTheme won't change font-size09:24
benjanetok, what theme do u use09:24
apokryphoskcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Fonts will09:24
alleebenjanet: my impressin was that gnome uses px not pt.  KDE uses pt  (I would use 10 pt as default, but I'm sure 12pt has a 'deeper' sense.)09:27
billytwowillyany idea when  python-kde3 will be updated?09:28
damn_yankeeapokryphos:download complete,now,to burn,what firewall tools,if any,are installed by default/09:30
apokryphosThe conventional linux one, I think.09:31
apokryphosI know there are other firewall tools available, but I don't use/know them.09:31
damn_yankeeno guarddog,firestareter,o.k. ipkungfu will work just fine09:31
damn_yankeethank you..09:32
damn_yankeei never connect w/o setiing up ip-tables f/w 1st..:)09:32
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incubiidoes anyone else have any troubles burning the 5.04 CD images? OS X  Disk utility just bombs out from trying to read the iso. Linux burns it but then when im installing from the media it bombs out with corrupt errors, any ideas ?09:37
incubiithis is on the PPC version09:37
apokryphosdamn_yankee: hmm, you might want to read: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FireWall09:38
damn_yankeeapokryphos:thanks09:38
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spiralhi09:41
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Beunohey, I installed kubuntu over my ubuntu, with apt-get10:12
Beunonow10:12
BeunoI dont have the option10:12
Beunoto load gnome any more10:12
Beunoany ideas?10:12
apokryphosBeuno: no different ones, from me. :P10:13
Beunolol10:13
Beuno:D10:13
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apokryphosBeuno: are you using kdm/gdm?10:13
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BeunoIm useing10:14
Beunoapparently10:14
Beunokdm10:14
Beunojust installed ubuntu yesterday, still kinda lost10:14
Beunoliking it MUCH better then mandrake and fedora10:15
damn_yankeehttp://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php#d0e34010:15
Beunojsu got excited and installed kunutnu10:15
incubiii finally go kubuntu to burn properly in OS X10:15
damn_yankeetells how to switch between gnome and kde10:15
incubiiits installing now10:15
Beunotnx!10:15
BeunoIll give that a try!10:15
damn_yankeen.p.10:16
Beuno/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gdm is broken or not fully installed10:17
Beuno:/10:17
damn_yankeetry,apt-get -f install as su or root10:18
BeunoReading Package Lists... Done10:19
BeunoBuilding Dependency Tree... Done10:19
Beuno0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 69 not upgraded.10:19
damn_yankeetry apt-get -f gdm10:19
BeunoE: Invalid operation gdm10:20
Beunowait10:21
Beunodod10:21
Beunodid10:21
Beunoapt-get -f install gdm10:21
Beunodoing something10:21
Beuno:D10:21
incubiiah ffs its stoped on network repositry10:23
Roey*it's10:23
Beunobrb10:24
damn_yankeegoing to re-boot in linux,b.b.l.10:24
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incubii5 mins to time out is a bit too long :|10:26
Roeyack10:27
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Beunohey, apok:  worked!!!!10:30
Beuno:D10:30
Beunothanks a lot!10:30
incubiistill waiting for security repositry to time out :|10:32
incubiigo you good thing10:32
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incubiiooo kubuntu looks sweet10:45
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annaHallo, mein Kubuntu spinnt10:52
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annaIch hab das .kde gelscht, und das Datum auf DD.MM.YYYY gestellt10:53
annaJetzt zeigt die Uhr z.B. DD.03.YYYY an10:53
annaKmail macht es genauso ... ich bin verloren10:53
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Roeyanna:  verfrag auf #knoppix oder #kanotix?  10:57
Roeyanna:  *bitten Sie auf #knoppix oder #kanotix?  Sie sprachen dort auf Deutsch10:58
Roeyanna:  oder verstehstu Anglisch?10:59
ztonzyheh :-/11:00
Roeyztonzy:  mein Duetsch ist *soooo* schlecht(er)11:01
Roeymein brokener Deutsch.11:01
apokryphosI'm not German, but I can guess what that means. :P11:01
ztonzyRoey, eller kanske svenska ;) ?11:02
ztonzyhehe11:02
Roeyztonzy:  muy mal11:02
Roeyvery bad11:02
RoeyI don't know it11:02
RoeyI love languages but I don't know that one11:02
Roeywhat is it, danish? 11:02
ztonzy:p11:03
Roeyswedish?11:03
ztonzyswedish11:03
Roeyyes!11:03
Roeygot it11:03
Roeysvenska is swedish11:03
ztonzyjupp11:03
Roeyall I know of Swedish is "bork, bork, bork"11:03
Roey=)11:03
ztonzythat's just crap11:03
RoeyI know11:03
Roeyztonzy:  who was it here who was talking about it?11:03
Roeyhehe11:03
ztonzyamericans ;)11:03
Roeyah =)11:03
ztonzyI dont know11:03
Roeyztonzy:  was it the two of us who were speaking about the Swedish Chef11:04
ztonzyno11:04
apokryphoshej11:04
ztonzyhejsan!11:04
ztonzy:D11:04
apokryphoshej d11:04
apokryphos=)11:04
ztonzylol11:04
apokryphosThat's the extent of my Swedish (just learnt it).11:04
Pointwoodhejsa11:05
ztonzythat's fine11:05
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ztonzyor "tack" --> "thanks"11:05
Pointwooder der andre skandinaver her? :)11:05
ztonzyPointwood, seems so11:05
ztonzy<--- me11:05
Pointwoodand the most important: ?l == beer 11:05
apokryphoshehe11:06
ztonzyl11:06
ztonzy:)11:06
Roeyapokryphos:  you forgot:11:06
ztonzybut in german that means oil11:06
ztonzyso I have heard11:06
Roeyapokryphos:  "enn nauwwwww, dee cho-ko-lette ferrrrr dee moooooooose"11:06
ztonzyRoey, hot chocolate with whipped cream ?11:07
apokryphosHow could I forget!11:07
Roey=)11:07
ztonzydanish = piskefle11:07
Roeybork, bork, bork.11:07
apokryphos(what does it mean? )11:07
Roeyapokryphos:  bork?11:07
Roeyapokryphos:  probably something important to swedes11:07
Roeyapokryphos:  like food or something11:07
ztonzyRoey, what ??11:07
Roeyapokryphos:  bork mousse?11:07
Roeyztonzy:  kidding, kidding! :)11:07
Roeyapokryphos:  it's a made-up word11:07
ztonzyI cant make any sense of it11:07
Pointwoodpiskefloede ;)11:08
ztonzyPointwood, yay !11:08
Roeyztonzy:  "and now, the chocolate for the mousse"11:08
apokryphosskl11:08
apokryphosfarligt11:08
ztonzyPointwood, and let the tounge roll as ever !!11:08
Pointwoodhehe11:08
Roeyztonzy:  can you understand german at all11:08
ztonzyPointwood, I can say it in danish11:08
Pointwoodnice11:08
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Pointwood"roed groed med floede" is the real test ;)11:08
ztonzylol11:08
ztonzyoe = 11:09
PointwoodRoey: I do11:09
Pointwoodoe = ?11:09
apokryphoshur mycket11:09
Pointwoodaa = ?11:09
Pointwoodae = ?11:09
Pointwoodnot sure if you can see them correctly11:09
RoeyPointwood:  aaaha ok, I thought I saw 'german' uttered here.11:09
DaivdH86io and some times y too'11:09
DaivdH86and u11:09
Pointwoodor the diff. charsets makes it look wrong11:09
RoeyDaivdH86:  =)11:09
RoeyPointwood:  looks OK here.11:10
RoeyPointwood:  I don't know how to type them though.11:10
DaivdH86lol 11:10
Roey(american US keyboard layout)11:10
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psnRoey: if you still use konversation use Insert->Special Character11:11
Roeyapokryphos:  heya, just noticed you on #ubuntu too11:11
Roeypsn:  hey!!!!!!11:11
psnRoey: you11:11
Roeypsn:  OK look I wanna start hacking Konvi again11:11
apokryphosRoey: yup :). Ubuntu is us.11:11
Roey:)11:11
PointwoodRoey: I've had german in school for some years11:11
RoeyPointwood:  awesome11:11
RoeyPointwood:  it's such a mechanical language, I love it :)11:11
RoeyPointwood:  it's like.. ya know what it sounds like to me?11:11
ztonzyPointwood, I use charset ISO-8859-15 :)11:11
Pointwoodbut that's some years back and when you don't use it regularly...11:11
RoeyPointwood:  think of a Mecha, but built in the 19th century, out of wood and iron 11:12
RoeyPointwood:  that runs on steam11:12
psnRoey: cool we'll have a release this week so we're a bit frozen at the moment :)11:12
RoeyPointwood:  that's what it's like to me.11:12
Pointwoodztonzy: same here11:12
Roeypsn:  =)11:12
ztonzyRoey, no I dont understand german very well, but I can probably understand some text...11:12
PointwoodMecha?11:12
ztonzyRoey, cause swedish and german are close related11:12
Roeyaye11:12
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RoeyI guess bork in german would be translated to verpfeffengeschlecktenbock11:13
Roeybock bock bock.11:13
ztonzylol11:13
PointwoodLOL11:14
Pointwoodsaurkraut11:14
ztonzyhuge sausage :p ?11:14
Roey=)11:14
Roeysee,11:14
Pointwoodztonzy: no11:14
apokryphosJo jo jo11:14
Roeyahh, German, it's like this giant wood-and-iron Mecha that runs on steam.11:15
PointwoodI don't like german11:15
Roeyi like it.11:15
RoeyI want to learn it.11:15
RoeyI took some Yidish courses in college, I want to learn them both.11:15
apokryphosGerman looks like it'll make my throat hurt after speaking it long.11:15
Roeyheh11:15
Pointwoodthe people are, in general, very nice people11:15
RoeyI think I'd have a hard time getting around there.. I'm vegan11:15
apokryphosI find most Europeans very nice, in general. Except for England, of course. :P 11:16
Pointwoodheh11:16
Pointwoodvegan?11:16
apokryphosThe best summing up I've heard from someone foreign who said, "they have cold bones".11:16
PointwoodRoey: and most people can speak english 11:16
RoeyPointwood:  strict vegetarian11:16
Pointwoodoh11:16
apokryphos"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food-chain to be a vegetarian"11:17
apokryphos:P11:17
Pointwoodthat's something I will never become ;)11:17
psnnor I11:17
RoeyPointwood:  germans speaking english, wouldn't that be more like 19th century wood-and-iron mechas running on steam that can transform into wooden biplanes?11:17
PointwoodI guess I don't quite understand why :)11:17
Pointwoodbut as long as I'm allowed to eat som nice steaks and such, I'm happy :)11:18
Roeyaye11:19
PointwoodFrance is prolly where you'd have to biggest problem in regards to language, unless you can speak French ;)11:20
Roeyomg11:20
RoeyFrench...11:20
Roeythat's like.. hmm.11:21
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RoeyA mecha made out of chocolate souffle that deflates after a poke or two11:21
Roeylooks big11:21
Roey<poke poke>11:21
Roeydeflates.11:21
apokryphosDon't poke me, I'm full of chocolate.11:26
Roey=)11:26
ztonzyhumm :)11:27
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Roeythat's what I mean11:27
ztonzycvs-bf-blender has now transform widgets :P11:27
ztonzybut for normalmovements there isn't yet... (in editmode)11:28
ztonzyif anyone in here cares ;)11:28
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MindZEyeztonzy:  I'm interested.11:29
ztonzyMindZEye, aah :)11:30
ztonzyMindZEye, you use Blender ?11:30
ztonzycompile it yourself ?11:30
MindZEyeNo, I'm a lazy user.  :)11:31
ztonzyhaha11:31
MindZEyeSo when you say transform widgets, what exactly are we talking about?11:31
ztonzyno Blender user is a lazy user ;)11:31
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ztonzyMindZEye, in Maya and MAX they have this when moving..colored axis to grab...and move certain location11:32
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ztonzyMindZEye, you have a printed manual ?11:32
MindZEyeYup.11:33
ztonzyMindZEye, which ? 2.3 ?11:33
ztonzyhave happened a lot in Blender since then11:33
MindZEyeYup again.11:33
MindZEyeYeah, but it's getting me to understand the basics.  Given that I'm a complete noob with it.11:33
ztonzyMindZEye, wanna have a build I did minutes ago ?  packed and all ?11:34
ztonzyhehe11:34
MindZEyeztonzy: AMD64?11:34
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ztonzyMindZEye, no...it is i38611:34
ztonzyusual...  XP2800+  is my CPU11:34
MindZEyeI wouldn't be able to use it, I'm afraid.11:34
ztonzycould go to testbuild forum and find out11:35
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ztonzybut I dont see any late build I think11:36
phxguyCan someone help me with my Kubuntu Installation.... 11:36
ztonzyMindZEye, sorry11:36
phxguyI have a Windows Partition (hda1) and an external USB Drive (sde1) they are mounted but do not show up on the DEsktop11:36
apokryphosphxguy: have you checked ubuntuguide.org?11:37
phxguyyes i have...11:37
phxguythe drives are mounted11:37
phxguyi cvan goto /media and see the files from there but they dont show up on my desktop 11:38
phxguyor in the devices window11:38
apokryphosOh yes, you mentioned it earlier... sorry, I have no idea.11:38
phxguyvery odd11:38
phxguysometimes they show up sometimes they donr11:39
phxguydont11:39
MindZEyeThanks anyway.11:39
MindZEyeIs it me or is the new Kopete bah-roken?11:39
MindZEyeOr maybe it's my net connection.11:39
apokryphosdoes it not help if you Refresh sometimes?11:39
apokryphosMindZEye: fine here11:39
phxguyapokryphos: can you help with the MODPROBE FATAL error??? I followed the isntruction on ubuntuguide and added those lines but i still get a modprode error11:39
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apokryphosphxguy: nope; never encountered that; it's worth asking in #ubuntu11:40
phxguyok will do11:41
phxguyhard to get someone to answer in there... its so busy11:41
apokryphosif they don't answer, you can always try at a later time.11:42
ztonzynight11:44
apokryphossleep well ztonzy :)11:44
ztonzyI will11:44
ztonzyu 211:44
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Pointwoodso, are you all running kubuntu?11:45
apokryphosPretty much, yes.11:45
phxguyanybody else have any ideas about modprobe fatal errors11:46
phxguyooppps sorry wrong room11:47
Pointwoodwell, I consider trying it11:47
Pointwoodbut I need to upgrade to hoary first right?11:47
apokryphosPointwood: are you on Warty?11:48
Pointwoodyes11:50
apokryphosYou can upgrade straight to Kubuntu11:50
apokryphoswhich is hoary, yes.11:50
Pointwoodwell I've added some packages from other repositores :)11:50
Pointwoodbut basically, I'm running warty11:50
Pointwoodk11:50
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apokryphosPointwood: Warty is very behind package-wise; Hoary is much better. :P11:51
PointwoodI very much consider upgrading :)11:52
apokryphosYou got a good Internet connection?11:52
Pointwoodyes :)11:52
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Pointwood2560/768 :)11:53
Pointwooddsl11:53
apokryphosVery nice; should be a nice quick download.11:53
Pointwoodyeah11:53
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Pointwoodokay, well maybe I should start by upgrading to hoary11:54
xenonitehi, shortt question:11:54
apokryphosPointwood: I think that would be a very good idea, yes.11:54
xenonitethe kubuntu live cd is not really localized, what is with the final?11:54
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dimmakcan someone help me configure kubuntu so my 2405fpw display works... any help is greatly appreciated11:57
dimmaki am so impressed with everything working just fine on my laptop... i was happy to destroy my fedora core 3 installation for a nice kubuntu one... everything seems wonderful... i'll just be happy to remedy this display issue11:58

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