[12:02] <apokryphos> Not quire sure what you mean by that; it's reasonably new to me, but I think I understand what it does... not sure on its actual usage, though. Help/man seem to conflict.
[12:04] <maxchee> thx
[12:07] <_P_> apokryphos:  do  you  know  when  kdeaddons is  added  to  kubuntu?
[12:07] <apokryphos> _P_: nope; though, it has been suggested in the article on the Wiki.
[12:08] <_P_> i can't install  because  dependecies problem with  some konq
[12:08] <apokryphos> it is an official package released with KDE, so hopefully... soon.
[12:08] <_P_> ah 
[12:43] <delltony> i have a question for some reason when i close my laptop and then come back to it later its as if x dies or something. all i get is a black screen with a flashing cursor in the upper left corner.  I can't launch a virtual shell or anything to see whats going on? any idea. I believe its something with power  management but i don't know how to resolve it. If its hibernation id personally rather get rid of that crap. all if anything i
[12:43] <delltony>  would like is to simply turn off the monitor nothing more.
[12:48] <psn> delltony: try pressing ctrl+alt+f7
[12:50] <Blissex> delltony: it is probably something like sleep/standby mode...
[12:50] <Blissex> delltony: try switching VTs first to a console one and then back, that often resets things.
[12:50] <Blissex> delltony: as 'psn' suggests 50% of the way.
[01:00] <delltony> aww ok didn't do the atl f7
[01:00] <delltony> i was doing f1 and f2
[01:00] <delltony> trying to get a shell to see what was causing it to hang
[01:00] <delltony> will try aft f7 again with the ctrl of course
[01:01] <delltony> when it happens thanks
[01:01] <delltony> is there anyway to turn off that sleep standby im using 3.4 and hoary preview
[02:29] <billytwowilly>  http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot2.png
[02:29] <billytwowilly> my kubuntu desktop in all its glory!
[02:32] <|QuaD-> beautiful
[02:34] <billytwowilly> thanks.
[02:34] <billytwowilly> KDE is finally working close to how I want it to work;)
[02:34] <|QuaD-> haha
[03:32] <markc> howdy,  what might the default root passowrd be ?
[03:34] <markc> for the livecds, that is
[03:37] <markc> can anyone point me to where I might find out what the default root password is for the livecds ? ... I'm kinda stuck and on a borrowed machine to fet to this channel for help
[03:39] <berli> markc: try sudo?
[03:43] <mainer1> is kde 3.4 a little buggy?,anyone/
[03:48] <markc> berli> thanks, meaning there is no default root password ? I'm used to su - ing to root and continue working that way
[03:49] <berli> markc: i'm new to ubuntu, but from what I can tell the only way to gain root priv's is via sudo.  the installation doesn't even ask for a root p
[03:49] <berli> pw
[03:49] <Roey> calc:  you're here I see
[03:49] <markc> ok, I suppose I can use sudo to change the root pw then... doh, I should have thought of that
[03:49] <calc> sssh ;)
[03:49] <Roey> markc:  didnt' work for me
[03:49] <|QuaD-> i just apt-get remove kdelibs4 
[03:49] <calc> nothing to see here move along ;)
[03:50] <markc> are there any docs anywhere on how to remaster kubuntu, or at least unbuntu ?
[03:50] <Roey> markc:  for me, the root password was already set to soemthing, and I didn't know what it was -- so I solved it by rebooting to the livecd, chroot'ing and doing passwd root  to change the password.
[03:50] <|QuaD-> whoooooa calc is here :)
[03:51] <Roey> the legendary calc
[03:51] <Roey> calc:  you have fans
[03:51] <calc> heh
[03:51] <markc> Roey> so is the CD just a normal uncompressed isso9660 filesystem ?
[03:51] <Roey> markc:  it's the livecd that you boot off of
[03:52] <markc> Roey> sorry, I don't understand "rebooting to the livecd"... how is that different to just booting up on it normally ?
[03:53] <markc> Roey> and how would you permenently change the root password when running it as a livecd ?
[03:54] <markc> Roey> sorry to ask you all these questions :-)
[03:54] <Roey> markc:  oh it's all fun
[03:54] <Roey> markc:  so Ubuntu/Kubuntu has this "livecd"
[03:54] <Roey> you put it in, and you boot to linux
[03:55] <Roey> it runs off the CD (everything there is compressed, and it is uncompressed into memory behind the scenes for you)
[03:56] <markc> Roey> iyes, I know all that, already done it, but I'm used to Knoppix and their compressed filesystem... I don't understand what you actually did to change the root password... I presume, so that it was still changed when you ran the livecd ?
[03:56] <Roey> OH
[03:56] <Roey> ok
[03:56] <Roey> at the prompt:
[03:57] <Roey> mount /dev/hdX /mnt/hdX    #  where hdX is your disk
[03:57] <Roey> chroot /mnt/hdX /bin/bash  # this starts a shell that maps '/' to  /mnt/hdX 
[03:58] <markc> Roey> yep, done that... I can see there is a casper/filesystem.cloop so is IS a compressed filesystem, fine
[03:58] <Roey> passwd root  # this will execute /mnt/hdx/sbin/passwd, remember.
[03:58] <Roey> note, hdX is your hard disk
[03:58] <Roey> you don't have to touch the cloop volume in any way (that is on the CD, leave it as it is)
[03:59] <markc> Roey> oh, are you talking about after it's installed onto a partition ?
[03:59] <Roey> yeah
[04:00] <Roey> markc:  I assume you had this installed and didn't have the root password
[04:00] <Roey> sorry, sorry ;)
[04:00] <Roey> you can use "sudo bash" to get a root shell.
[04:00] <Roey> from the ubuntu cd
[04:00] <markc>  Roey> doh... that simple :-)
[04:00] <Roey> because sudo is configured to let you execute any command
[04:00] <Roey> so
[04:00] <Roey> sudo ls
[04:00] <Roey> sudo blah
[04:01] <Roey> sudo bash, why not ;)
[04:02] <markc> Roey> yes, I was talking about using the livecd... I've been using linux for years but I'm not used to using sudo... and for instance knoppix has no root pw so getting to a root prompt is easy... this ain't knoppix :-)
[04:02] <Roey> well in knoppix just do su
[04:02] <Roey> withotu any passwrd.
[04:02] <markc> Roey> thanks for your help, appreciated... one more question... is there any docs on how to remaster the livecd ?
[04:02] <Roey> markc:  :) brb
[04:02] <Roey> oh
[04:03] <Roey> hmm
[04:03] <Roey> the knoppix livecd, or ubuntu?
[04:03] <markc> ubuntu
[04:03] <markc> kunbuntu even
[04:03] <Roey> I don't know about ubuntu, but #knoppix and #kanotix can help you with their stuff
[04:03] <Roey> I don't know
[04:03] <Roey> btw kubuntu is just an addon for ubuntu ;)
[04:03] <markc> ok, thanks heaps :-)
[04:03] <Roey> aye!
[04:03] <Roey> hey
[04:03] <Roey> you're in oz arent' you
[04:03] <Roey> *aren't
[04:03] <markc> yes
[04:04] <markc> 1pm
[04:04] <Roey> cool, cool
[04:04] <Roey> hot isn't it?
[04:04] <markc> moderately
[04:04] <Roey> I want to get a house in Australia, and a house in Washington DC -- when it gets cold in one place, I will fly to the other.  Like a duck.
[04:04] <markc> I donno, about 25c I think
[04:04] <Roey> * 9.0/ 5 + 32
[04:04] <markc> heh, I'd go to Tasmania for the summers if I could
[04:05] <Roey> 77F
[04:05] <Roey> heh
[04:05] <markc> about that, maybe 80f
[04:05] <markc> where are you ?
[04:09] <Roey> maryland, usa
[04:09] <Roey> brb
[05:02] <Roey> hi
[05:02] <Roey> I am compiling my own kernel based on /proc/config.gz config file.
[05:02] <Roey> How do I make an initrd.img with mkinitrd??
[05:02] <Roey> I want to do this and then be able to use grub-update
[05:02] <Roey> and then I'll be able to choose my new kernel on bootup.
[05:03] <Roey> Can I just symlink an initrd to the existing initrd??
[05:26] <Sparhawk_> roey, if you type mkinitrd it gives you the command line
[05:26] <Sparhawk_> but i believe it's somtheing like mkinitrd /boot/initrd-filename kernel-version
[05:26] <Sparhawk_> mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.11-roey1 linu-2.6.11-roey1
[05:26] <Roey> oh
[05:27] <Roey> oh, ok.
[05:27] <Roey> so the /boot/ininitrd-2.6.11-roey argument is just the name of the output file.
[05:27] <Roey> ok.
[05:27] <Roey> and the linu-2.6.11-roey1 is the existing kernel image, great.
[05:27] <Sparhawk_> well, it's the name of the /lib/modules kernel version
[05:27] <Sparhawk_> without the /lib/modules
[05:27] <Roey> ok.
[05:28] <Roey> Sparhawk_: how do I know which modules to add to this rdinit.img ?
[05:28] <Sparhawk_> i don't use that file, i just put everything in mkinitrd
[05:28] <Roey> Sparhawk_: how does it know which System.map it should include?
[05:28] <Roey> what's everything
[05:28] <Sparhawk_> note, i've never done this on debian or ubuntu, only gentoo
[05:28] <Roey> ok
[05:28] <Sparhawk_> default mkinitrd is everything i think
[05:28] <Roey> ok
[05:28] <Roey> what
[05:28] <Roey> all the modules???
[05:29] <Sparhawk_> system.map is not needed i think.  
[05:29] <Roey> that's crazy.. I built all of them
[05:29] <Sparhawk_> all the modules in the initrd is not a problem
[05:29] <Roey> it'll stuff all several hundred megs of modules???
[05:29] <regeya> gah!  my monitor is going to die, and that makes me sad.
[05:29] <Sparhawk_> it's only used to get past the first stage of boot
[05:29] <Sparhawk_> you do not have several hundred megs of miodules, /lib/modules should only be a couple meg
[05:29] <Roey> ok
[05:30] <Roey> Sparhawk_: I built everything anyway (cat /proc/config.gz > .config)
[05:30] <Roey> er
[05:30] <Roey> zcat /proc/config.gz
[05:30] <Roey> that was just so that I could get the same kernel more or less as the default Ubuntu one
[05:30] <Sparhawk_> 53m for 2.6.10-5-k7 ubuntu kernel, but the init does not actually store the moudles, just pointers
[05:31] <Sparhawk_> i'm not a kernel hacker, i'm more of those "it just works" kind of guys
[05:32] <Roey> ok
[05:32] <Roey> lemme try then
[05:32] <Roey> so it's:
[05:32] <Roey> mkinitrd initrd_img kernel_img ?
[05:34] <Roey> arg this don't work.
[05:44] <Roey> is there a way to just add a newly compile kernel to the grub system?
[05:44] <Roey> with minimum pain and rdinit crap?
[05:44] <Roey> :)
[05:47] <psoulocybe> umm... how do i take a screenshot in kubuntu?
[05:59] <neom> psoulocybe - ksnapshot
[06:15] <songoku> hi all
[06:16] <songoku> i can't figure out why konq open new links in the same window 
[06:17] <songoku> is this a bug of kubuntu preview or something related with kde 3.4?
[06:23] <billytwowilly> can anyone point me to more documentation on the extensions thing in konqueror 3.4?
[06:24] <billytwowilly> is there a site of extensions?
[06:24] <neom> http://neom.ca/1a.jpg or http://neom.ca/1b.jpg - What do you like better?
[06:25] <billytwowilly> 1b
[06:25] <billytwowilly> 1a is depressing.
[06:26] <neom> hm
[06:28] <P229> 1a is cooler, imho
[06:29] <treke|home> billytwowilly: They are part of kdeaddons
[06:29] <treke|home> billytwowilly: which isnt available in kubuntu at the moment
[06:29] <billytwowilly> treke|home: Darn. Is there a list of what are there? I'm jonesing for some bugmenot plugin goodness;)
[06:30] <treke|home> bugmenot? Probably not included
[06:30] <billytwowilly> noooo!
[06:30] <regeya> oooh bugmenot
[06:30] <billytwowilly> it isn't there.
[06:30] <billytwowilly> I found some info.
[06:30] <billytwowilly> firefox has a sweet bugmenot extension.
[06:30] <regeya> one of the things that has me thinking of installing firefox
[06:30] <billytwowilly> Yah, firefox is nice, quite nice.
[06:31] <billytwowilly> I actually like it better than konqueror, but konqueror looks better in kde.
[06:31] <billytwowilly> when I look at firefox in kde something strikes me as wrong.
[06:31] <P229> http://adblock.mozdev.org is why I can't use any other browser
[06:31] <P229> billytwowilly, try installing a different firefox theme
[06:32] <billytwowilly> so, the html rendering engine in firefox is being ported to konqueror, how about the extension engine?;)
[06:32] <billytwowilly> There isn't one that quite fits my desktop
[06:32] <treke|home> the renderer would just plug in in the place of khtml, so not much would really change plugin wise
[06:33] <billytwowilly> all I really need to be happy with konqueror is a google search thing like in firefox (which I think is possible, I just haven't figured it out yet)
[06:33] <billytwowilly> and bugmenot would be nice, but not necessary.
[06:33] <treke|home> that's part of kdeaddons
[06:34] <billytwowilly> the google thing?
[06:34] <treke|home> yes
[06:34] <billytwowilly> ok, I'll just wait for that, the kubuntu guys can't be much longer with it.
[06:34] <billytwowilly> They've had 3.4 out for a week or so now.
[06:34] <treke|home> or just type gg:foo in the title bar
[06:34] <billytwowilly> heh, it's not the same;)
[06:35] <billytwowilly> hmm.
[06:35] <billytwowilly> wait, maybe it is. I forgot I modded firefox's behaviour to open searches in a new tab.
[06:35] <P229> billytwowilly, you mean the search thing next to the address bar?
[06:35] <billytwowilly> yah
[06:36] <P229> konqueror has that already
[06:36] <billytwowilly> well, when I say "I modded" I really mean "I installed an extension that did it for me.
[06:36] <billytwowilly> P229: yah, it's in kdeaddons.
[06:36] <billytwowilly> treke already filled me in.
[06:37] <P229> oh... silly me, I didn't realize I had that installed
[06:37] <billytwowilly> well, thanks guys, I'm going to save my karma and not ask anymore questions for a while;)
[06:37] <billytwowilly> ttyl
[06:38] <treke|home> P229: Is it part of kdebase? Thought it was in addons
[06:44] <P229> treke|home, the google thing? I actually have no idea. I mostly use gnome, but I have kdeaddons installed and the google search thing does appear in konqueror
[07:32] <treke|home> cool, kubuntu ppc iso is done downloading :)
[07:53] <HostingGeek> kubuntu sucks it should be renamed to kuubuntu
[07:56] <neom> why?
[07:56] <HostingGeek> because if ku mean towards
[07:56] <HostingGeek> and ubuntu means humanity
[07:56] <HostingGeek> ...
[07:56] <neom> hm
[07:56] <HostingGeek> Any way the name doesn't make snese
[07:57] <HostingGeek> kde is not towards humanity its towards power users
[07:58] <HostingGeek> if kde and gnome would be BSD
[07:58] <HostingGeek> gnome would be a mix of freebsd and netbsd
[07:58] <neom> Well either way, we just prefer the kde software enviornment...so, yah.
[07:58] <HostingGeek> while kde will be of just freebsd
[07:58] <treke|home> I dont get the analogy
[07:59] <HostingGeek> kde aim is not to be profonal or portable
[07:59] <HostingGeek> it real aim is to be configurable
[08:05] <HostingGeek> humanity means things work alike
[08:05] <HostingGeek> gnome has a HIG
[08:05] <HostingGeek> kde has a pile of  widgets
[08:22] <treke|home> hrmmm. ppc installer doesnt want to work
[08:32] <kbitty> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22042
[08:33] <kbitty> kubuntu blue and true
[08:35] <neom> Are you a girl?
[08:35] <neom> heh
[08:35] <kbitty> lol
[08:36] <kbitty> its purple!
[08:36] <neom> riiiight. ;P
[08:36] <neom> http://neom.ca/kde1.png
[08:36] <neom> sept with 3.4 now.
[08:38] <kbitty> http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=22008&file1=22008-1.png&file2=22008-2.png&file3=22008-3.png&name=kubuntu+true
[08:38] <kbitty> with blue
[08:38] <kbitty> but i just ripped that wallpaper then the first link
[08:38] <kbitty> if you didnt notice the kubuntu on it
[08:38] <kbitty> top left
[08:40] <kbitty> no one likes it ?
[08:40] <kbitty> ne one got ne good bootsplash images they made or grub splash screens?
[08:58] <treke|home> ok that's coool
[08:58] <treke|home> suspend works on my laptop now that I installed ubuntu
[09:00] <kbitty> does ne one have ne good wallpapper for kubuntu?
[10:48] <pv_> Hi all.
[10:48] <pv_> Is anybody else having problems using the Kmail IMAP resources (calendars etc. o
[10:48] <pv_> n IMAP) on Hoary's new KDE 3.4.0?
[11:00] <Quinn_Storm> pv_: I think there was a bug something like that in kde3.4 release, not sure if hoary has a patch in the repo yet or not...try making sure you're up-to-date
[11:08] <pv_> Quinn_Storm, This was on 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 which seems to be the newest version. (I've also filed #7971 in bugzilla.)
[11:09] <Quinn_Storm> pv_: ok, its probably that they haven't totally applied the patch yet...not certain though, sorry I can't help more, I don't use imap myself
[11:11] <pv_> Quinn_Storm, Ok, and thanks for the info. 
[11:31] <marcusT> mmm... I still have the looping kbuildsycoca problem
[11:57] <markc> is there a remastering howto somewhere ?
[11:57] <markc> specific to ubuntu/kubuntu, that is
[01:51] <marcusT> Riddell: ping
[01:51] <marcusT> amu: ping
[01:54] <Shaquile> Hey.. I just inserted a SoundBlaster Live card... Any ideas how I get it to work?
[01:54] <ubuntu> I'm booted up into kubuntu now, is there a way to save my custom settings ?
[01:54] <ubuntu> Shaquile> modprobe snd-emu10k1
[01:54] <Shaquile> ubuntu: Already done
[01:55] <ubuntu> Shaquile> woops, I must have the default kubuntu irc nick :-)
[01:55] <Shaquile> ubuntu: Hehe
[01:55] <ubuntu> Shaquile> have you run alsamixer and turned up the volumes ?
[01:55] <Shaquile> ubuntu: That's not the problem.. ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory
[01:56] <ubuntu> Shaquile> modprobe snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
[01:57] <ubuntu> my old sblive is beeping away under kubuntu
[01:58] <Shaquile> ubuntu: already done..
[01:58] <ubuntu> wow, irc nicks are unique so that means I must be the only idiot on freenode that's connected via a livecd!!
[01:59] <ubuntu> does /dev/dsp exist (ls -l) ?
[02:01] <insanekane> amu: you there ?
[02:01] <ubuntu> maybe run this and it _might_ help pinpoint your problem http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=aadebug
[03:08] <chakie> oo, lots of people here
[03:10] <chakie> i just downsucked the live cd, not even tested it yet, so i'm just a possible wannabe kubuntuer
[03:13] <rzei> hi everyone i just installed kubuntu and .... i don't remember being prompted for a root password at any stage
[03:14] <rzei> is this a known problem? :)
[03:15] <_P_> rzei:   there is  not  root passwd 
[03:15] <_P_> kubuntu  and  ubuntu  uses sudo 
[03:15] <rzei> _P_: oh.. i guessed something like that
[03:16] <rzei> aah, now i've got my root passwd :)
[03:17] <rzei> why does it look like that the font size 12 is much bigger than 11 and 13?
[03:26] <insanekane> rzei: maybe u need to turn on anti-aliasing ?
[03:40] <markc> rzei> bitstream vera fonts seem to be naturally bigger than helvetica (or airial)
[03:40] <Shaquile> ubuntulog: Still here?
[03:40] <Roey> msttcorefonts is not in kubuntu it seems.
[03:41] <rzei> insanekane: markc: actually a restart took care of that
[03:41] <markc> the only thing I can't figure is how to save all the settings I've changed in the livecd  so I don't have to to it all again next time I boot into the livecd
[03:42] <rzei> but hey, there are some pretty insane default settings on kubuntu! every text/plain to text/x-c++ is opened to openoffice writer, and kate comes in next? where do i file a bugreport?
[03:42] <markc> I thing a tarball of the home dir would be a reasonable workaround
[03:44] <markc> rzei> I don't know where the bug reports should go but the Help -> Report Bug _> Launch Wizard goes to some loval html files so they could be tweaked for kunbuntu... that'd be cool
[03:45] <markc> local
[03:45] <rzei> err.. where's my khexedit?
[03:46] <rzei> come on, what's this, every diff is supposed to be opened with openoffice?
[03:46] <markc> perhaps a apt-get install away
[03:46] <markc> yuk
[03:46] <rzei> markc: nah the khexedit is there, but it's just hidden
[03:47] <insanekane> rzei: thanks :)
[03:47] <markc> where was it... which didn't find it for me
[03:47] <rzei> damn there's more to tweak in this than in a lfs system :)
[03:47] <rzei> and i thought i could get away easily :)
[03:48] <insanekane> lfs ?
[03:48] <rzei> linuxfromscratch
[03:50] <markc> heh, I wonder how long I can last without rebooting! I just spent 2 hours tweaking this livecd instance.
[03:52] <Roey> =)
[03:52] <Roey> markc:  so I see you got some help with that
[03:53] <markc> Roey> sorry, with what ? ... no, I haven't figured out how to save all my settings yet... maybe just a tarball of /home/ubuntu might do the trick
[03:55] <Roey> markc:  with remastering ubuntu livecds? :)
[03:55] <markc> ah cool, I have a copy of a knoppix save config setup... the tarball is called "config.tbz" and the active script is calle knoppix.sh... hmm, might be able to adapt this for kubuntu
[03:57] <markc> Roey> hell no, I haven't got anywhere yet except booted up onto the livecd with root access... and I was silly enough to spend a coupl of hours tweaking things the way I like them... couldn't help meself!
[03:58] <Roey> =)
[03:59] <rzei> am i the only one who's kcmshells sigsegv when closing?
[04:01] <markc> yes, cool, knoppix's save settings file is just the home dir plus a couple of dozen files from /etc
[04:08] <alm> what web browser does everyone prefer?  FF or Konq?
[04:08] <Telep_> ff
[04:08] <Telep_> although that's just me, not "everyone" ;)
[04:09] <alm> I understand, I am using FF now, but considering a switch, I was kinda wondering how flash, movies, etc render in konq
[04:25] <markc> heh, I added a comment to the KubuntuSuggestedPackages wiki, I wonder if anyone else will be interested, and if I can remain booted on this liveCD until there is a working sollution to save my settings :-)
[04:29] <Roey> *solution
[04:29] <Roey> cool
[04:33] <markc> oh yeah :-) stupid keyboard
[04:37] <markc> WOW... apt-get works on this liveCD... damn, I wonder how that works... unionFS perhaps... too cool!
[04:37] <Roey> hmm
[04:37] <Roey> it was not unionfs
[04:37] <Roey> it was something else (i remmeber asking that)
[04:43] <markc> OH NO, there is no PHP in universe... wtf!
[04:43] <markc> surely that can't be
[04:45] <insanekane> hahahaha
[04:45] <insanekane> lovely :)
[04:46] <Beineri> Roey: "device mapper"?
[04:46] <Roey> Beineri:  what of it?
[04:46] <Beineri> Roey: instead of unionfs?
[04:46] <Roey> Beineri:  oh! ok
[04:46] <markc> device mapper ? got a URL ?
[04:46] <Roey> Beineri:  that makes sense.. you have a ram disk and a CD disc and you use LVM to connect them
[04:46] <Roey> hmm
[04:47] <Beineri> Roey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDDesign http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCD
[04:47] <Roey> markc:  #lvm, #evms
[04:47] <markc> thanks
[04:50] <Roey> Beineri:  some of my RAID devices are listed in /proc/mdstat as normal software raid devices (that is, it shows /dev/md2 as sda&sdb), but others are shown with device names like dm-set1 or dm-something-3
[04:50] <Roey> what's up with that?
[04:50] <Roey> that's after my installation of ubuntu
[04:50] <Roey> why is dm managing any of my physical partitions???
[04:57] <markc> Beineri> those links were exactly what I was after, thank you!!!
[05:11] <Verwilst> damned the download is slow
[05:11] <Verwilst> i had 4meg per second until 520 meg, then it dropped to 15k or so :(
[05:11] <SeeleyUSMC> Yeah really
[05:12] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm running the dl at 10KB/s...started at only 40 too
[05:12] <Verwilst> strange though
[05:12] <Verwilst> i redownloaded it, and the same, first 3-4 meg per second, at +- 520, back to 16
[05:13] <Verwilst> 7 now even :'
[05:13] <Verwilst> :'(
[05:15] <SeeleyUSMC> 21kbs now
[05:27] <berli> anyone have a script to fix the KDE text file associations so they don't all open OpenOffice?  I was just doing it manually until i tried to "view source" in konqueror
[05:32] <Telep> does it still hold true that wireless won't work without gnome-system-tools?
[05:41] <berli> Telep: i don't have gnome-system-tools installed and wireless works fine
[06:05] <spiral> hi
[06:33] <markc> howdy
[06:43] <benjanet> :D
[07:24] <amu> g'morning all 
[07:27] <thiesen> amu: finally.... :-)
[07:42] <Roey> hi
[07:44] <Roey> I tried to install a new kernel by building it, then running 'mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5  ;  grub-update'.  Then I tried selecting it from the menu on bootup.  It complains about a 'pivot_error:  no such file' and that it "can't open /dev/console" or something like that.
[07:46] <benjanet> how do i minimize windows on KDE _
[07:47] <Riddell> benjanet: click the minimise button at the top right of the window
[07:52] <benjanet> and ALL windows _
[07:55] <mfoxela> hi,
[07:56] <mfoxela> I have installed the preview yesterday and I am missing the "add new network folder" in konqueror "remote:/"
[07:57] <treke|laptop> hehe
[07:57] <mfoxela> I have seen this on debian/unstable kde 3.4pre packages
[07:57] <treke|laptop> I just noticed that 30 seconds ago :)
[07:57] <mfoxela> is this rwmoved from kde final or from kubuntu?
[07:57] <mfoxela> s/rwmoved/removed/
[07:58] <treke|laptop> for the time being you can run knetattach to do that
[07:59] <mfoxela> thank you for the hint :)
[08:00] <allee> benjanet: alt-ctrl-D
[08:00] <treke|laptop> I'd put in a bug report, but I can't get to my mail atm to sign up for bugzilla
[08:01] <benjanet> allee, Thanks >D
[08:01] <benjanet> allee, Thanks :D
[08:02] <mfoxela> I can do that. bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?
[08:03] <treke|laptop> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ is what  I found
[08:03] <mfoxela> ok
[08:03] <Riddell> mfoxela: it's a known issue
[08:04] <mfoxela> riddell: ok
[08:04] <Riddell> mfoxela: there may already be a bugzilla entry, not sure, you should check first
[08:06] <mfoxela> Riddel: another proposition: what about adding the same tabs to the navigation panel as you can find on the system menu in the panel? 
[08:06] <mfoxela> I mean the navigation panel of konqueror
[08:07] <treke|laptop> Riddell: All in all, I think you've done a terrific job on kubuntu. The default install is really nicely simplified
[08:08] <mfoxela> treke|laptop: you are right, thats the nicest and less bloated default kde installation I have seen
[08:08] <Riddell> mfoxela: system menu?
[08:08] <Riddell> treke|laptop: cool, thanks
[08:09] <mfoxela> in the panel you have the system button with Home folder, Storage media etc.
[08:09] <Riddell> mfoxela: mm hmm
[08:10] <mfoxela> and the same 5 buttons could be found in the konqeror navigation panel
[08:10] <Riddell> mfoxela: they're mostly already in the Go menu
[08:10] <Riddell> which, like the rest of konqueror, could do with some user interface love
[08:11] <mfoxela> ridell: you are right, didn't see this
[08:12] <Riddell> actually the system panel menu needs some improvements too
[08:12] <benjanet> should i enable "sub pixel hinting" ?
[08:12] <Riddell> benjanet: if you have an LCD screen and know which way round the colours go
[08:12] <treke|laptop> benjanet: do you have an LCD display?
[08:13] <benjanet> treke|laptop, nope..CRT :)
[08:14] <mfoxela> riddell: I think the hd partitions could be removed from storage media, or at least be separated from removeble media
[08:15] <Riddell> mfoxela: agreed, I'll try and investigate that
[08:16] <ztonzy> hi :) <--- hellobot :P
[08:17] <ztonzy> j/k
[08:17] <ztonzy> Riddell, sorry again for Gwenview...I now realize how nice it is inside Konqueror
[08:17] <Riddell> ztonzy: he he, a convert :)
[08:17] <ztonzy> hehe
[08:18] <ztonzy> Riddell, what though want...being able to do html gallery of my digicamera pics...also, would be neat
[08:18] <Riddell> ztonzy: that's in kdeaddons which we havn't done yet
[08:19] <ztonzy> Riddell, yepp...hd's away from storage media...have loads of those now in storagemedia list :-/
[08:19] <ztonzy> Riddell, ok...no hurry ?
[08:19] <allee> Riddell: what html gallery stuff is in kdeaddons?
[08:21] <Riddell> allee: there's a konqueror plugin to make an HTML gallery of all the images in a directory
[08:21] <allee> ztonzy:  try kipi-plugins + gwenview or digikam
[08:22] <ztonzy> well... digikam doesn't compress and make image gallery into html what I know, maybe I am wrong...
[08:22] <ztonzy> kipi ?
[08:23] <`TUX``> Riddell: 
[08:24] <allee> ztonzy: kipi-plugins, is an enhanced version of image gallery of kdeaddons (I almost sure.  But I now it was a copy from KDE cvs)
[08:24] <`TUX``> i need  to  uses cups  from  localhost 
[08:24] <allee> kipi:  KDE Image Plugins Interface
[08:24] <ztonzy> allee, thanks! will try and find it
[08:24] <`TUX``> but  i can't use  administrator
[08:24] <`TUX``> how  can i renable  it?
[08:25] <allee> ztonzy, Riddell:   deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./  ;)
[08:25] <ztonzy> hmm
[08:25] <ztonzy> another thing
[08:25] <ztonzy> Riddell, when I want to install with Kynaptic...the buttons below is not showing...the bottom borders needs to be dragged
[08:26] <Riddell> allee: as I say, my the todo list :)
[08:26] <ztonzy> allee, what is it ?
[08:26] <ztonzy> Riddell, and I need to do it every time
[08:26] <allee> ztonzy: what?  the URL?
[08:27] <ztonzy> allee, yupp, what does it contain ?
[08:27] <ztonzy> no kipi-plugins in my repositry
[08:27] <DarthFrog> Riddell: Did you see where kubuntu is actually a word in one of the Bantu languages?  Means "to humanity". :-)
[08:28] <allee> ztonzy: kipi-plugins + latest digikam release.  Try http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php for a list
[08:28] <Riddell> DarthFrog: yes, pretty fortunate really, means the slashdot comments were about that and not slagging off the name :)
[08:28] <Riddell> ztonzy: which buttons?
[08:28] <DarthFrog> Riddell: It'll be more than Slashdot, I'm afraid. 
[08:29] <DarthFrog> Riddell: You might want to mention it front and centre on the kubuntu web page. :-)
[08:29] <treke|laptop> might want to verify it's true before doing that :
[08:29] <treke|laptop> :p
[08:30] <Riddell> DarthFrog: it's on the FAQ
[08:30] <DarthFrog> Riddell: Good idea.
[08:30] <Roey> let's see GNOME folks make up a super-gnome distribution and see how they try and justify Gubuntu.
[08:30] <Riddell> and yes, like treke|laptop says :)
[08:30] <benjanet> is there an easy way so KDE fonts dont look so bold ?
[08:30] <ztonzy> Riddell, continue when want to installed marked stuff in the list
[08:30] <DarthFrog> Riddell: have I mentioned just how good a job you guys are doing?  I'm seriously impressed with kubuntu.
[08:30] <BamaJank> Not GuGubuntu?
[08:30] <Riddell> ztonzy: works for me, can you send a screenshot?
[08:31] <treke|laptop> Roey: they called it ubuntu :)
[08:31] <ztonzy> allee, how to add this into synaptic? (kynaptic doesnt have a repositry lists)
[08:31] <ztonzy> Riddell, sure
[08:32] <Roey> treke|laptop:  hence "super-gnome" distribution :)
[08:32] <Roey> So is KDE going to start releasing previews by way of LiveCDs now?
[08:34] <ztonzy> Riddell, can you take DCC ?
[08:35] <Riddell> ztonzy: nope, http prefered
[08:35] <ztonzy> Riddell, ok, wait
[08:37] <ztonzy> http://hem.bredband.net/b311031/tmp/kynaptic_button_bug.png
[08:37] <ztonzy> looks like that for me each time
[08:38] <Riddell> ztonzy: strange.  maybe the layout is done fixed with and you have larger fonts set
[08:38] <ztonzy> hmm...settings in Kontrolpanel ?
[08:39] <ztonzy> strange
[08:39] <ztonzy> all those are 8 points
[08:39] <ztonzy> and it is small
[08:41] <allee> ztonzy: never used kynaptics.  Booting ...
[08:53] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[08:53] <apokryphos> good evening
[08:56] <damn_yankee> downloading preview release,now..any time-saving tips?
[08:56] <damn_yankee> post-install config's?
[08:56] <apokryphos> not really apart from if you have Ubuntu, don't downoad it. :)
[08:57] <apokryphos> Not so much apart from general kcontrol stuff
[08:57] <damn_yankee> don't care for gnome de
[08:57] <apokryphos> damn_yankee: are you currently on ubuntu?
[08:57] <damn_yankee> is kde 3.4 real buggy?
[08:57] <apokryphos> Not at all
[08:58] <damn_yankee> no,in windows and run debian-unstable,dual-boot,had o do doc's in winbloze,so dwnlding it now
[08:58] <apokryphos> ok, cool.
[08:59] <damn_yankee> ran wrty 4.10,but i'm not big on Gnome,personal preference
[08:59] <apokryphos> Warty progs are very dated compared to hoary
[09:00] <damn_yankee> cool..you can upgrade from debian testing/unstable repositorys?
[09:00] <damn_yankee> or from ubuntu,only?
[09:00] <apokryphos> It is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories with a bit of alteration after.
[09:01] <damn_yankee> apt-pinning to the rescue..:)
[09:01] <apokryphos> some have had problems though...
[09:01] <damn_yankee> yes,not distro specific prob..
[09:02] <damn_yankee> o.k.,thanks,i'll lurk for a while to see what issues are common,yhanks for response!
[09:02] <damn_yankee> 28% done
[09:04] <apokryphos> no problem
[09:04] <damn_yankee> 1st time i've booted windows in a month:)
[09:20] <damn_yankee> 90% and counting down..
[09:21] <benjanet> do all KDE users see big/bold fonts ??
[09:22] <apokryphos> benjanet: I don't. But you can edit your fonts from kcontrol if there's a problem...
[09:23] <benjanet> apokryphos, i find that the standard set of fonts, is wierd in size...copared to the gnome one
[09:24] <apokryphos> benjanet: could you send a screenie, perhaps?
[09:24] <benjanet> i tried changing theme, but fonts continue all sizes
[09:24] <apokryphos> Theme won't change font-size
[09:24] <benjanet> ok, what theme do u use
[09:24] <apokryphos> kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Fonts will
[09:27] <allee> benjanet: my impressin was that gnome uses px not pt.  KDE uses pt  (I would use 10 pt as default, but I'm sure 12pt has a 'deeper' sense.)
[09:28] <billytwowilly> any idea when  python-kde3 will be updated?
[09:30] <damn_yankee> apokryphos:download complete,now,to burn,what firewall tools,if any,are installed by default/
[09:31] <apokryphos> The conventional linux one, I think.
[09:31] <apokryphos> I know there are other firewall tools available, but I don't use/know them.
[09:31] <damn_yankee> no guarddog,firestareter,o.k. ipkungfu will work just fine
[09:32] <damn_yankee> thank you..
[09:32] <damn_yankee> i never connect w/o setiing up ip-tables f/w 1st..:)
[09:37] <incubii> does anyone else have any troubles burning the 5.04 CD images? OS X  Disk utility just bombs out from trying to read the iso. Linux burns it but then when im installing from the media it bombs out with corrupt errors, any ideas ?
[09:37] <incubii> this is on the PPC version
[09:38] <apokryphos> damn_yankee: hmm, you might want to read: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FireWall
[09:38] <damn_yankee> apokryphos:thanks
[09:41] <spiral> hi
[10:12] <Beuno> hey, I installed kubuntu over my ubuntu, with apt-get
[10:12] <Beuno> now
[10:12] <Beuno> I dont have the option
[10:12] <Beuno> to load gnome any more
[10:12] <Beuno> any ideas?
[10:13] <apokryphos> Beuno: no different ones, from me. :P
[10:13] <Beuno> lol
[10:13] <Beuno> :D
[10:13] <apokryphos> Beuno: are you using kdm/gdm?
[10:14] <Beuno> Im useing
[10:14] <Beuno> apparently
[10:14] <Beuno> kdm
[10:14] <Beuno> just installed ubuntu yesterday, still kinda lost
[10:15] <Beuno> liking it MUCH better then mandrake and fedora
[10:15] <damn_yankee> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php#d0e340
[10:15] <Beuno> jsu got excited and installed kunutnu
[10:15] <incubii> i finally go kubuntu to burn properly in OS X
[10:15] <damn_yankee> tells how to switch between gnome and kde
[10:15] <incubii> its installing now
[10:15] <Beuno> tnx!
[10:15] <Beuno> Ill give that a try!
[10:16] <damn_yankee> n.p.
[10:17] <Beuno> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gdm is broken or not fully installed
[10:17] <Beuno> :/
[10:18] <damn_yankee> try,apt-get -f install as su or root
[10:19] <Beuno> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:19] <Beuno> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:19] <Beuno> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 69 not upgraded.
[10:19] <damn_yankee> try apt-get -f gdm
[10:20] <Beuno> E: Invalid operation gdm
[10:21] <Beuno> wait
[10:21] <Beuno> dod
[10:21] <Beuno> did
[10:21] <Beuno> apt-get -f install gdm
[10:21] <Beuno> doing something
[10:21] <Beuno> :D
[10:23] <incubii> ah ffs its stoped on network repositry
[10:23] <Roey> *it's
[10:24] <Beuno> brb
[10:24] <damn_yankee> going to re-boot in linux,b.b.l.
[10:26] <incubii> 5 mins to time out is a bit too long :|
[10:27] <Roey> ack
[10:30] <Beuno> hey, apok:  worked!!!!
[10:30] <Beuno> :D
[10:30] <Beuno> thanks a lot!
[10:32] <incubii> still waiting for security repositry to time out :|
[10:32] <incubii> go you good thing
[10:45] <incubii> ooo kubuntu looks sweet
[10:52] <anna> Hallo, mein Kubuntu spinnt
[10:53] <anna> Ich hab das .kde gelscht, und das Datum auf DD.MM.YYYY gestellt
[10:53] <anna> Jetzt zeigt die Uhr z.B. DD.03.YYYY an
[10:53] <anna> Kmail macht es genauso ... ich bin verloren
[10:57] <Roey> anna:  verfrag auf #knoppix oder #kanotix?  
[10:58] <Roey> anna:  *bitten Sie auf #knoppix oder #kanotix?  Sie sprachen dort auf Deutsch
[10:59] <Roey> anna:  oder verstehstu Anglisch?
[11:00] <ztonzy> heh :-/
[11:01] <Roey> ztonzy:  mein Duetsch ist *soooo* schlecht(er)
[11:01] <Roey> mein brokener Deutsch.
[11:01] <apokryphos> I'm not German, but I can guess what that means. :P
[11:02] <ztonzy> Roey, eller kanske svenska ;) ?
[11:02] <ztonzy> hehe
[11:02] <Roey> ztonzy:  muy mal
[11:02] <Roey> very bad
[11:02] <Roey> I don't know it
[11:02] <Roey> I love languages but I don't know that one
[11:02] <Roey> what is it, danish? 
[11:03] <ztonzy> :p
[11:03] <Roey> swedish?
[11:03] <ztonzy> swedish
[11:03] <Roey> yes!
[11:03] <Roey> got it
[11:03] <Roey> svenska is swedish
[11:03] <ztonzy> jupp
[11:03] <Roey> all I know of Swedish is "bork, bork, bork"
[11:03] <Roey> =)
[11:03] <ztonzy> that's just crap
[11:03] <Roey> I know
[11:03] <Roey> ztonzy:  who was it here who was talking about it?
[11:03] <Roey> hehe
[11:03] <ztonzy> americans ;)
[11:03] <Roey> ah =)
[11:03] <ztonzy> I dont know
[11:04] <Roey> ztonzy:  was it the two of us who were speaking about the Swedish Chef
[11:04] <ztonzy> no
[11:04] <apokryphos> hej
[11:04] <ztonzy> hejsan!
[11:04] <ztonzy> :D
[11:04] <apokryphos> hej d
[11:04] <apokryphos> =)
[11:04] <ztonzy> lol
[11:04] <apokryphos> That's the extent of my Swedish (just learnt it).
[11:05] <Pointwood> hejsa
[11:05] <ztonzy> that's fine
[11:05] <ztonzy> or "tack" --> "thanks"
[11:05] <Pointwood> er der andre skandinaver her? :)
[11:05] <ztonzy> Pointwood, seems so
[11:05] <ztonzy> <--- me
[11:05] <Pointwood> and the most important: ?l == beer 
[11:06] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:06] <ztonzy> l
[11:06] <ztonzy> :)
[11:06] <Roey> apokryphos:  you forgot:
[11:06] <ztonzy> but in german that means oil
[11:06] <ztonzy> so I have heard
[11:06] <Roey> apokryphos:  "enn nauwwwww, dee cho-ko-lette ferrrrr dee moooooooose"
[11:07] <ztonzy> Roey, hot chocolate with whipped cream ?
[11:07] <apokryphos> How could I forget!
[11:07] <Roey> =)
[11:07] <ztonzy> danish = piskefle
[11:07] <Roey> bork, bork, bork.
[11:07] <apokryphos> (what does it mean? )
[11:07] <Roey> apokryphos:  bork?
[11:07] <Roey> apokryphos:  probably something important to swedes
[11:07] <Roey> apokryphos:  like food or something
[11:07] <ztonzy> Roey, what ??
[11:07] <Roey> apokryphos:  bork mousse?
[11:07] <Roey> ztonzy:  kidding, kidding! :)
[11:07] <Roey> apokryphos:  it's a made-up word
[11:07] <ztonzy> I cant make any sense of it
[11:08] <Pointwood> piskefloede ;)
[11:08] <ztonzy> Pointwood, yay !
[11:08] <Roey> ztonzy:  "and now, the chocolate for the mousse"
[11:08] <apokryphos> skl
[11:08] <apokryphos> farligt
[11:08] <ztonzy> Pointwood, and let the tounge roll as ever !!
[11:08] <Pointwood> hehe
[11:08] <Roey> ztonzy:  can you understand german at all
[11:08] <ztonzy> Pointwood, I can say it in danish
[11:08] <Pointwood> nice
[11:08] <Pointwood> "roed groed med floede" is the real test ;)
[11:08] <ztonzy> lol
[11:09] <ztonzy> oe = 
[11:09] <Pointwood> Roey: I do
[11:09] <Pointwood> oe = ?
[11:09] <apokryphos> hur mycket
[11:09] <Pointwood> aa = ?
[11:09] <Pointwood> ae = ?
[11:09] <Pointwood> not sure if you can see them correctly
[11:09] <Roey> Pointwood:  aaaha ok, I thought I saw 'german' uttered here.
[11:09] <DaivdH86> io and some times y too'
[11:09] <DaivdH86> and u
[11:09] <Pointwood> or the diff. charsets makes it look wrong
[11:09] <Roey> DaivdH86:  =)
[11:10] <Roey> Pointwood:  looks OK here.
[11:10] <Roey> Pointwood:  I don't know how to type them though.
[11:10] <DaivdH86> lol 
[11:10] <Roey> (american US keyboard layout)
[11:11] <psn> Roey: if you still use konversation use Insert->Special Character
[11:11] <Roey> apokryphos:  heya, just noticed you on #ubuntu too
[11:11] <Roey> psn:  hey!!!!!!
[11:11] <psn> Roey: you
[11:11] <Roey> psn:  OK look I wanna start hacking Konvi again
[11:11] <apokryphos> Roey: yup :). Ubuntu is us.
[11:11] <Roey> :)
[11:11] <Pointwood> Roey: I've had german in school for some years
[11:11] <Roey> Pointwood:  awesome
[11:11] <Roey> Pointwood:  it's such a mechanical language, I love it :)
[11:11] <Roey> Pointwood:  it's like.. ya know what it sounds like to me?
[11:11] <ztonzy> Pointwood, I use charset ISO-8859-15 :)
[11:11] <Pointwood> but that's some years back and when you don't use it regularly...
[11:12] <Roey> Pointwood:  think of a Mecha, but built in the 19th century, out of wood and iron 
[11:12] <Roey> Pointwood:  that runs on steam
[11:12] <psn> Roey: cool we'll have a release this week so we're a bit frozen at the moment :)
[11:12] <Roey> Pointwood:  that's what it's like to me.
[11:12] <Pointwood> ztonzy: same here
[11:12] <Roey> psn:  =)
[11:12] <ztonzy> Roey, no I dont understand german very well, but I can probably understand some text...
[11:12] <Pointwood> Mecha?
[11:12] <ztonzy> Roey, cause swedish and german are close related
[11:12] <Roey> aye
[11:13] <Roey> I guess bork in german would be translated to verpfeffengeschlecktenbock
[11:13] <Roey> bock bock bock.
[11:13] <ztonzy> lol
[11:14] <Pointwood> LOL
[11:14] <Pointwood> saurkraut
[11:14] <ztonzy> huge sausage :p ?
[11:14] <Roey> =)
[11:14] <Roey> see,
[11:14] <Pointwood> ztonzy: no
[11:14] <apokryphos> Jo jo jo
[11:15] <Roey> ahh, German, it's like this giant wood-and-iron Mecha that runs on steam.
[11:15] <Pointwood> I don't like german
[11:15] <Roey> i like it.
[11:15] <Roey> I want to learn it.
[11:15] <Roey> I took some Yidish courses in college, I want to learn them both.
[11:15] <apokryphos> German looks like it'll make my throat hurt after speaking it long.
[11:15] <Roey> heh
[11:15] <Pointwood> the people are, in general, very nice people
[11:15] <Roey> I think I'd have a hard time getting around there.. I'm vegan
[11:16] <apokryphos> I find most Europeans very nice, in general. Except for England, of course. :P 
[11:16] <Pointwood> heh
[11:16] <Pointwood> vegan?
[11:16] <apokryphos> The best summing up I've heard from someone foreign who said, "they have cold bones".
[11:16] <Pointwood> Roey: and most people can speak english 
[11:16] <Roey> Pointwood:  strict vegetarian
[11:16] <Pointwood> oh
[11:17] <apokryphos> "I didn't fight my way to the top of the food-chain to be a vegetarian"
[11:17] <apokryphos> :P
[11:17] <Pointwood> that's something I will never become ;)
[11:17] <psn> nor I
[11:17] <Roey> Pointwood:  germans speaking english, wouldn't that be more like 19th century wood-and-iron mechas running on steam that can transform into wooden biplanes?
[11:17] <Pointwood> I guess I don't quite understand why :)
[11:18] <Pointwood> but as long as I'm allowed to eat som nice steaks and such, I'm happy :)
[11:19] <Roey> aye
[11:20] <Pointwood> France is prolly where you'd have to biggest problem in regards to language, unless you can speak French ;)
[11:20] <Roey> omg
[11:20] <Roey> French...
[11:21] <Roey> that's like.. hmm.
[11:21] <Roey> A mecha made out of chocolate souffle that deflates after a poke or two
[11:21] <Roey> looks big
[11:21] <Roey> <poke poke>
[11:21] <Roey> deflates.
[11:26] <apokryphos> Don't poke me, I'm full of chocolate.
[11:26] <Roey> =)
[11:27] <ztonzy> humm :)
[11:27] <Roey> that's what I mean
[11:27] <ztonzy> cvs-bf-blender has now transform widgets :P
[11:28] <ztonzy> but for normalmovements there isn't yet... (in editmode)
[11:28] <ztonzy> if anyone in here cares ;)
[11:29] <MindZEye> ztonzy:  I'm interested.
[11:30] <ztonzy> MindZEye, aah :)
[11:30] <ztonzy> MindZEye, you use Blender ?
[11:30] <ztonzy> compile it yourself ?
[11:31] <MindZEye> No, I'm a lazy user.  :)
[11:31] <ztonzy> haha
[11:31] <MindZEye> So when you say transform widgets, what exactly are we talking about?
[11:31] <ztonzy> no Blender user is a lazy user ;)
[11:32] <ztonzy> MindZEye, in Maya and MAX they have this when moving..colored axis to grab...and move certain location
[11:32] <ztonzy> MindZEye, you have a printed manual ?
[11:33] <MindZEye> Yup.
[11:33] <ztonzy> MindZEye, which ? 2.3 ?
[11:33] <ztonzy> have happened a lot in Blender since then
[11:33] <MindZEye> Yup again.
[11:33] <MindZEye> Yeah, but it's getting me to understand the basics.  Given that I'm a complete noob with it.
[11:34] <ztonzy> MindZEye, wanna have a build I did minutes ago ?  packed and all ?
[11:34] <ztonzy> hehe
[11:34] <MindZEye> ztonzy: AMD64?
[11:34] <ztonzy> MindZEye, no...it is i386
[11:34] <ztonzy> usual...  XP2800+  is my CPU
[11:34] <MindZEye> I wouldn't be able to use it, I'm afraid.
[11:35] <ztonzy> could go to testbuild forum and find out
[11:36] <ztonzy> but I dont see any late build I think
[11:36] <phxguy> Can someone help me with my Kubuntu Installation.... 
[11:36] <ztonzy> MindZEye, sorry
[11:36] <phxguy> I have a Windows Partition (hda1) and an external USB Drive (sde1) they are mounted but do not show up on the DEsktop
[11:37] <apokryphos> phxguy: have you checked ubuntuguide.org?
[11:37] <phxguy> yes i have...
[11:37] <phxguy> the drives are mounted
[11:38] <phxguy> i cvan goto /media and see the files from there but they dont show up on my desktop 
[11:38] <phxguy> or in the devices window
[11:38] <apokryphos> Oh yes, you mentioned it earlier... sorry, I have no idea.
[11:38] <phxguy> very odd
[11:39] <phxguy> sometimes they show up sometimes they donr
[11:39] <phxguy> dont
[11:39] <MindZEye> Thanks anyway.
[11:39] <MindZEye> Is it me or is the new Kopete bah-roken?
[11:39] <MindZEye> Or maybe it's my net connection.
[11:39] <apokryphos> does it not help if you Refresh sometimes?
[11:39] <apokryphos> MindZEye: fine here
[11:39] <phxguy> apokryphos: can you help with the MODPROBE FATAL error??? I followed the isntruction on ubuntuguide and added those lines but i still get a modprode error
[11:40] <apokryphos> phxguy: nope; never encountered that; it's worth asking in #ubuntu
[11:41] <phxguy> ok will do
[11:41] <phxguy> hard to get someone to answer in there... its so busy
[11:42] <apokryphos> if they don't answer, you can always try at a later time.
[11:44] <ztonzy> night
[11:44] <apokryphos> sleep well ztonzy :)
[11:44] <ztonzy> I will
[11:44] <ztonzy> u 2
[11:45] <Pointwood> so, are you all running kubuntu?
[11:45] <apokryphos> Pretty much, yes.
[11:46] <phxguy> anybody else have any ideas about modprobe fatal errors
[11:47] <phxguy> ooppps sorry wrong room
[11:47] <Pointwood> well, I consider trying it
[11:47] <Pointwood> but I need to upgrade to hoary first right?
[11:48] <apokryphos> Pointwood: are you on Warty?
[11:50] <Pointwood> yes
[11:50] <apokryphos> You can upgrade straight to Kubuntu
[11:50] <apokryphos> which is hoary, yes.
[11:50] <Pointwood> well I've added some packages from other repositores :)
[11:50] <Pointwood> but basically, I'm running warty
[11:50] <Pointwood> k
[11:51] <apokryphos> Pointwood: Warty is very behind package-wise; Hoary is much better. :P
[11:52] <Pointwood> I very much consider upgrading :)
[11:52] <apokryphos> You got a good Internet connection?
[11:52] <Pointwood> yes :)
[11:53] <Pointwood> 2560/768 :)
[11:53] <Pointwood> dsl
[11:53] <apokryphos> Very nice; should be a nice quick download.
[11:53] <Pointwood> yeah
[11:54] <Pointwood> okay, well maybe I should start by upgrading to hoary
[11:54] <xenonite> hi, shortt question:
[11:54] <apokryphos> Pointwood: I think that would be a very good idea, yes.
[11:54] <xenonite> the kubuntu live cd is not really localized, what is with the final?
[11:57] <dimmak> can someone help me configure kubuntu so my 2405fpw display works... any help is greatly appreciated
[11:58] <dimmak> i am so impressed with everything working just fine on my laptop... i was happy to destroy my fedora core 3 installation for a nice kubuntu one... everything seems wonderful... i'll just be happy to remedy this display issue