[12:01] lol [12:01] jdub, then i would suggest something less rdical...voodo puppets for example [12:02] ogra: or just find people who haven't signed the CoC yet [12:02] and "suggest" their course of action [12:11] Mithrandir: bah, dh_compress does compress explicitly specified files even if they are < 4k... === lamont rediscovers a hard drive with 2.0.35 on it. [12:18] oi vey [12:18] zul: yeah, I screamed [12:18] mdz : Regarding the FTBFS of mysqlclient10 on amd64... I suppose it's too late for me to suggest that I recompile 59 source packages to use mysqlclient12 (from mysql 4.0) and drop the old, broken lib entirely? [12:18] i still have have some slackware 2.0 cds around [12:18] infinity: YES [12:18] mdz : Just checking. :) === infinity goes to figure out the failure, then. [12:19] I may need access to an amd64 machine to poke at it. [12:21] hah [12:21] infinity, king of the last minute library transitions :) [12:21] dilinger : Shh. I just don't feel like fixing bugs in obsolete packages. :) [12:21] Luckily, this bug isn't all that tough. [12:22] Besides, all that talking with MySQL upstream has to be of some use.. [12:22] Other than me losing my sanity, that it. === stratus [~stratus@201008026181.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] Riddell: around? [12:25] amu: around? === mike_douglas [~mike@S01060011950b3207.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] jdub: alright, well, I uploaded what I did for gsf-sharp to http://www.schweeb.org/~chris/ubuntu/ [12:45] passes lintian === thully [~thully@166.155.97.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax6-015.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] thom: didn't notice slef had joined the channel, or didn't care? :) [12:48] yes === mike_dou1las [~mike@S01060011950b3207.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] thom: both? :D === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax6-015.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] Robot101: mostly the former, but i now don't care eitehr [12:49] schweeb: ahr! [12:50] jdub: huh? [12:50] schweeb: a pirate says "ahr!" [12:50] ahh, hehe [12:51] I know a brit that says that, but only when angry ;) [12:52] hrm [12:52] automake symlinks in the tarball [12:52] even though autogen.sh does automake -a [12:52] shouldn't have done that? [12:52] oh [12:52] I just ran autogen.sh [12:52] it needs -c too [12:52] automake -a -c === schweeb fixes [12:53] schweeb: perhaps copy the tomboy/beagle build-depends for mono stuff [12:56] schweeb: hrm, so [12:56] schweeb: instead of running autogen.sh [12:56] schweeb: run each command manually [12:56] schweeb: using aclocal-1.6 and automake-1.6 [12:56] in the rules file, or in the .orig source? [12:57] when you're generating the dist tarball [12:57] k === moquist [~moquist@pool-64-222-170-16.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] 1.6 specifically? I have 1.4 installed === jdub tries make distcheck [12:58] schweeb: yeah, use 1.6 === stratus [~stratus@201008026181.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] graphviz build-deps on itself unintentionally. Cute. [01:07] mjg59: bleh [01:08] mjg59: if we have working suspend, just bump the version to 1.2 [01:08] jdub: Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 4.1.0), mono-mcs (>= 1.0) | c-sharp-compiler, mono-jit [i386 powerpc] , mono-mint [!i386 !powerpc] , libmono-dev, mono-utils (>= 0.96), mono-gac, libgsf-1-dev, libgsf-gnome-1-dev [01:08] jdub: those look better [01:09] tops === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000fb552f039.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] daniels: Yeah, patch submitted [01:09] I was sitting there for ages looking at the code and thinking How does any of this stuff he added make any difference? [01:09] The answer is, of course, that it doesn't [01:09] jdub: and I'm guessing in the dist tarball, I shouldn't run configure, like autogen does? [01:10] you do [01:10] daniels: I've also come up with a solution for X output that doesn't require changing the X config [01:10] run the modified autogen commands (1.6 for aclocal and automake and use -a -c for automake) [01:10] good night everyone [01:10] then do the maintainer-mode configure [01:10] then make dist [01:10] night dholbach [01:10] ahh [01:11] Now, if I can just get the damn thing to reset... [01:11] bye pitti [01:11] alright, that makes more sense to me now [01:12] schweeb: oh, you need dh_makenetlibs too :) [01:13] alright [01:13] I wasn't sure what it did [01:13] and lintian bitched [01:13] yeah, lintian doesn't know about it yet [01:13] mjg59: oh? just poking it all by hand from userspace? [01:13] what's it for? registering with the GAC or what? [01:14] schweeb: it adds a little file that tells dependent packages how to depend on it [01:14] ahhhh [01:14] daniels: Yeah, I figured out how to get the video button to actually generate an acpi event [01:14] The ACPI spec is full of useful information [01:16] heh [01:16] it's big enough, it should be :P === mike_douglas [~mike@S01060011950b3207.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] mjg59: how boldly would you state the quality of our laptop/acpi power management in hoary? [01:16] jdub: It's massively better than anything else out there [01:17] jdub: i also can confirm that qca-tls is widely used [01:18] kopete developers said that using qca-tls is temporary, but removed "temporary" notice later [01:18] lamont : Around? [01:18] schweeb: also, why 'libgsf-cil' as the source package name? shouldn't it be 'gsf-sharp'? [01:18] buga: aha [01:19] jdub: I was going by what all the rest of the package names for mono assemblies I've seen are [01:19] schweeb: those are binary names tho, not source names [01:19] okay, so leave the binary name -cil, and set the source name to gsf-sharp? [01:19] $ apt-cache showsrc libevolution-cil | grep ^Package [01:19] Package: evolution-sharp [01:19] yeah [01:20] kk [01:20] that means the tarball name, etc., etc. too ;) [01:20] jdub: hey, I'm not doin too bad for bein green at packaging ;) [01:20] not at all [01:20] very tidy :-) [01:20] this is like the 2nd package I've done that isn't just a mod/upgrade of a prebuild [01:21] and the 1st haven't been released... Xen stuff [01:26] If I can figure out this reboot problem, we're all set [01:26] jdub: hrm... configure wasn't generated when I did aclocal-1.6 and automake-1.6 [01:26] jdub: Are you still getting suspend love with latest Hoary kernels? [01:26] mjg59: i did the other day [01:27] mjg59: i was having problems earlier with suspend workign once then not again [01:27] but i did it twice the other day [01:27] jdub: except dbus is dbus-mono, not dbus-sharp :) [01:27] schweeb: you should be running... [01:27] aclocal-1.6 [01:27] libtoolize --force --copy [01:27] automake-1.6 -a -c [01:27] autoconf [01:27] ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode [01:27] make dist [01:28] daniels: special case :-) [01:28] ah, okay, didn't do autoconf [01:28] heh === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sgran [~steve@lobefin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] jdub: the exception that proves the rule! [01:28] autoconf is the bit that generates configure ;) [01:28] morning jlj [01:28] jdub: Probably down to mdnsresponder, if you had that running [01:28] jdub: why not just autoreconf -v --install? [01:28] jdub: hehe, well their autogen script didn't run it! [01:28] jlj: how's the response been to your release? [01:28] mjg59: could've been polypaudio too, actually [01:29] hey, jlj comes here too [01:30] I guess I was wrong on my versioning... they claim it's 0.3, but their NEWS claims 0.1.0, heh [01:30] schweeb: you wrote http://bonehunter.rulez.org/~algernon/blog/2005/03/20/#pyMusique ? [01:31] oh, nm [01:31] nope [01:31] you're talking about something else :P [01:31] yep [01:31] i fell off my chair when i read what they wrote about us [01:31] gsf-sharp, heh [01:31] my name is python, or something [01:42] Amaranth: hehehe [01:44] night everybody === moquist [~moquist@pool-64-223-152-208.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] infinity: not really === mike_douglas [~mike@S01060011950b3207.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] infinity: If you need SSH access to an amd64, I can hook you up. [01:49] daniels : Too late, but I may bug you later. [01:49] infinity: OK [01:49] lamont : Can I bug you about an FTBFS bug of yours anyway [01:49] lamont : ? [01:50] lamont : 7846 ... libtool is generating a different linker line on i386 than on the other 3 arches (which is why it's only failing on i386).. Any chance it was cosmic rays, or a goofy chroot? [02:01] daniels : Do we have a house yet? :) [02:01] infinity: just called and harassed Simon, incidentally [02:01] infinity: 34 Barkly St is coming up soon ... === daniels [~daniels@202.44.183.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] daniels : A lot of stuff is. Then again, it may all suck as badly as everything we've already seen. :) [02:06] Heh. [02:06] daniels : If we don't settle soon, Zofia might actually cause me bodily harm. And I'l pass on the favour. [02:06] daniels : Not to mention, until we move, I don't have my amd64 system up and running. [02:06] infinity: shouldn't be... === moquist_ [~moquist@pool-70-16-203-164.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] infinity: Right. [02:07] infinity: and libtool shouldn't be in the chroot, so the log should show what version was installed. [02:07] Hm. ndiswrapper is depressingly easy to set up [02:07] lamont : If you look at the build logs, it looks pretty suspect, that's all. [02:08] lamont : On the other hand, the packages doesn't relibtoolise during build either, so it's all a bit weird. [02:08] lamont : IOW, I can't come up with a solid explanation for the different logs, other than "something was confused that day". But I'll dig deeper. [02:08] lamont : Could you retry it anyway for kicks? === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] which package? [02:12] lamont : graphviz/i386 [02:13] lamont : Note that it IS in the archive already, it just failed during your rebuildability testing... [02:13] ah, from the hoary-test rebuild? [02:13] right [02:13] Right. [02:13] But the other 3 arches succeeded. [02:14] given back [02:14] mind you, if it succeeds, I'll be annoyed [02:14] Not as annoyed as I will if it fails. :) [02:15] oh, if it still works, I expect that there's still a bug... if it succeeds, I'll build it 3-5 more times to take a vote. [02:15] mjg59: http://live.gnome.org/ProjectUtopia_2fPowerManagement_2fgnome_2dpower_2dmanager [02:15] intermittant failures are far worse than solid ones. [02:16] lamont : Agreed, though I don't look forward to trying to find the bug in question. The previous i386 build (the one in the archive) got the correct libtool linker line, and so did the other 6 builds (previous and current builds of the other 3 arches) [02:17] lamont : So, one broken build out of 8 looks pretty weird, when the breakage is in an arch-indep bit. [02:17] yeah === infinity goes back to reproducible bugs for a while. [02:22] jdub: Yeah, it's lovely [02:22] *drool* [02:23] jdub: It doesn't do all that much of use yet, though :) [02:24] I'm doing a GUADEC BOF on this stuff [02:27] jdub: alright, uploaded changes... would have done so a long time ago, but my parents disconnected the cable modem... I wasn't a very happy camper [02:27] jdub: http://schweeb.org/~chris/ubuntu [02:34] thom: I've also got code for ndiswrapper over suspend/resume [02:34] (argh) === bradb [~bradb@c66.110.165-11.clta.globetrotter.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] schweeb: d'oh! [02:37] schweeb: thanks :) [02:37] np [02:37] always lookin to contribute, now was as good a time as any [02:42] ahar! [02:45] infinity: T&*)%_+_)&%*^_(+_*&%^_)&*^_%)(+*^%^( [02:45] lamont : Is that line-noise for "it built fine this time"? [02:45] document that however you want. [02:45] the latter [02:45] must run for a while [02:46] lamont : alright... I'll document another successful build, but leave the bug open for now. [02:46] lamont : I'm still betting on cosmic rays. [02:47] schweeb: ok, i'm running a big fat index now :-) === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] jdub: cool, tell me how it goes... I'm too impatient to sit there and let my stuff index... too many gigs of it [03:00] jdub: what about gst-sharp? that gonna be wanted too, or are there probs with it? [03:02] dunno really [03:02] haven't tried it [03:07] it seems like several packages have no /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files (yet) ? [03:07] several being "a ton", yes [03:07] I just filed a bug for fontforge [03:08] the other ones I found were in universal [03:09] jdub: ah, gst-sharp ain't happenin... requires a newer ver of libgtk2.0-cil... === bradb_ [~bradb@c66.110.165-11.clta.globetrotter.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] schweeb: aha, ok === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] so i started update-notifier (and it's running in my session) and i never get the icon in my panel [03:34] you will when you apt-get update and there are updates available === Sparhawk_ [~sparhawk@c-24-14-121-93.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] hrm [03:40] ok, if i've already rolled a LiveCD, and i want to make further changes, i should use the LiveCDCustomizationHowTo and only pay attention to the customizations part (i.e. preparing the chroot) right? [03:44] should do [03:46] great, time to make the LiveCD more customised then. does anyone know how to specify the firefox startpage properly? in my last roll pref("browser.startup.homepage", "...") didn't work so well [03:47] perhaps check our firefox diff [03:52] cc: I think the user's preference overrides in that situation... so you'd have to specifically set it in the user's prefs.js... otherwise, there's also a way to lockdown ffox settings, but I don't have a link [03:53] schweeb: hmm, thanks. i'll have to take a look [03:53] (and get faster cdrws) [03:53] I've done it at work before [03:54] or alternatively, use Epiphany, which uses gconf settings iirc [03:55] crap, I thought I blogged about when I did the firefox lockdown :-/ [03:55] guess you're out of luck [03:55] it's on mozillazine somewhere [04:01] later === shaya [~spotter@dyn-wireless-244-228.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb [~bradb@modemcable022.154-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] whoa. i have a big hate on for evolution. i think i'm going to have an i hate evolution party === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] srbaker: the enlightened use thunderbird or mutt [04:37] schweeb, i was using thunderbird, i'm switching back to balsa [04:37] all mail clients suck [04:37] yea, pretty much [04:37] actually, i don't mind evo for mail [04:37] it's all of the other horseshit they throw in there === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-92-118.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk adds "nda" to the list of silly tool names :p === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabmoc [~alex@d154-20-136-124.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] morning [05:41] schweeb : thunderbird has one big faw: it has no useable plain text editor :-( [05:42] hrm? I make plain text messages just fine...? [05:43] you don't see how they look at the receiver's end? ;) [05:43] plaintext is just that - plaintext... no formatting... I still dunno what you're talking about [05:44] hi schweeb [05:44] hello sabmoc [05:44] quoting is completely broken in the plain text editor [05:44] schweeb, hows it going? [05:45] fine fine [05:45] trying to mock up some mono 1.1.4 packages for myself [05:45] at least up to TB 1.0 [05:45] mutt is a good mail client :) === infinity scratches his head. [05:46] janc: odd, it's worked fine for me. I have my whole company (150 users) running on tbird [05:46] schweeb, hmm.. Im not much of a programmer so Im not too interested in mono, only the slick mono apps like tomboy. [05:46] hehe [05:46] Is festival_client supposed to vomit all over stderr when you run it? [05:47] sabmoc: hah, I'm in the middle... I know enough that I can build the stuff and be interested in it, but I'm by no means a programmer [05:47] as soon as I hit GUI design I give up [05:48] hopefully Stetic makes things better [05:48] schweed : it works, the messages just look stupid when the receiver has a decent mail client :P [05:48] schweeb, yeah me too sort of, I went though a little the learning to build mono process, then I went though all the msdn tutorials on mono (very good btw) then made a calculator in gtk# and gave up :D [05:48] schweeb* [05:49] I think I would like to learn xul now. [05:50] err.. correction, I went though the msdn tutorials on c#, they dont have any tutorials on mono yet. ;) [05:51] gtk# really impressed me, I didnt give up because I didnt like it. GTK# makes GTK+ look like an evil joke. No offense :D [05:51] yea, I've seen GTK+ too, bleh [05:51] sabmoc: PyGTK makes GTK# look like a joke. :P [05:52] Amaranth, but I have no interestin in py, I picked up a book on it but keep falling asleep, anything that easy is just no fun. [05:52] bleh, py doesn't rub me right for some reason [05:52] sabmoc: You like pain? :) [05:52] me2 [05:53] If you do it correctly it reads like psuedo-code, it's so awesome. [05:53] Amaranth, no, just kidding you a bit, but py just didnt really interest me. Its just personal preference I guess. [05:54] GTK# is good too. Anything is better than GTK+. :) [05:54] Amaranth, I know, but maybe thats the problem, my brain needs at least a small level of abstraction from psudocode to code, writing psudocode is no fun. [05:54] I'm lazy so easy is fun. :) [05:54] but its possible im crazy [05:55] Amaranth, hehe [05:55] I like perl for quick admin stuff, C# for other stuff [05:56] schweeb, ever looked at xul? [05:56] xul is mozilla's stuff, isn't it? if so, yes [05:56] yes [05:57] hrm [05:57] when I have time Im starting to poke into xul a little bit. So far it seems more complecated that I had hoped, but Im still interested. [05:57] it seems really complicated [05:57] yes [06:00] its basically just xml, css and javascript, thats pretty neat [06:00] I don't like webapps that much, heh... if I so desired, I could do PHP all day at work [06:01] But even for a simple app they make you jump though a lot of hoops [06:01] through* [06:01] hrm [06:01] schweeb, where do you work? [06:02] I work in the finance industry... for a credit card processor in MI [06:02] wow cool [06:02] eh, not really... rich bosses suck [06:03] haha [06:03] want to trade jobs? [06:03] probably not [06:03] indeed [06:03] Financial industry's not that bad. [06:04] That's usually my sector. [06:04] hey jbailey [06:04] we're a bit... understaffed [06:04] and mismanaged [06:04] schweeb: understaffed usually isn't the problem I've seen. Committee meetings with 30 people, none of whom have a clue or are really interested in the problem are. [06:04] heh [06:05] But each of them have to sign off on it because it touches something they might once have thought about. [06:05] damn bureaucracy [06:05] well, we're a rather small company... ~150... 5 person IT dept, 2 of us are co-ops (interns) === sabmoc gets back to work.. *grumble grumble* === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:07] sabmoc: Usually, bad trust model more than anything else. You can't trust that people will review the things they're supposed to so you drag them into a meeting to force them to do it. [06:07] jbailey, hmm.. ic [06:09] jbailey, I've never had to deal with that, closest I have ever come to going corporate was working in the mailroom for midlandwalwyn but they got bought out by merril lynch sortly before I left (I still blame myself) [06:09] odd [06:10] oops, I mean shortly after I left.. [06:10] I think I ran into a problem compiling mono 1.1.4 with mono 1.1.4 === schweeb uninstalls [06:10] schweeb, I havent compiled mono since around .40 or so, whats the problem? [06:11] it's cleared from my scrollback already [06:11] heh === sabmoc reaches over and adds another zero to schweebs scrollback [06:11] but I built mono alone earlier, and installed to /usr/local... but when building for a package, it bombed on compile every time [06:12] (fresh source tree) [06:12] ah, well I dont know a thing about packaging [06:13] ok, time to work [06:13] time to sleep === sabmoc is away: why cant I just make art for a living? [06:13] sabmoc: Midland Walwyn had an awesome trading floor. =) I got a tour of their facility in BCE in 96 or 97. [06:14] jbailey, cool, I would have been the guy pushing the mailcart around, and picking up the courier to be delivered. [06:15] jbailey, that was back when I lived in TO of course, Im in BC now. [06:16] that was such a fun job :) [06:20] I was working for Phillips Hager & North in Vancouver at the time and was out here to do some server maintenance. [06:20] I moved to TO 'bout 4 years ago, moving to Montral this summer. [06:21] cool [06:21] And in another 3 years, he'll be in Newfoundland. [06:22] noofie! [06:22] infinity: I'm vegan, I don't think I could cope with being screached in. [06:22] jbailey: You too could be a Noofie. [06:22] jbailey: Ooh, but I hear the screach is awesome! [06:22] jbailey : Pfft. Convert. [06:22] Okay, and why do the Auzzies know about neufies? [06:23] we know noofies smell [06:23] jbailey: And their screach. [06:24] feel the love! ;) [06:24] jdub: Newfie's don't smell, that's just what living in a seaport smells like in general. === jbailey misses living near real water. [06:25] Not this thing that used to be a fresh water lake that's beside me. [06:25] Port, schmort. [06:25] A year next to the ocean in Cairns cured me of any such urges. [06:25] Thankfully, Melbourne smells enough like "big city" to avoid smelling like ocean. [06:25] infinity: Are you in Melbourne now? [06:26] Aye. [06:26] Shit dude, pick a city and stay there for a week or two. [06:26] Well, as much as you can call Altona a part of Melbourne. [06:26] I'm staying, I promise. [06:26] Unless they kick me out of the ocuntry. [06:26] daniels : Pfft, it's closer than your current residence. [06:26] (barely) [06:27] Also, I get to hear folk from Footscray on the train every day talking JUST LIKE Dave Hughes. And that's always good for a laugh. === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp149.bu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity gives wget a sideways glance. [06:28] Wow, is everyone here Australian Noofies except me? Whats going on? [06:28] sabmoc: Australian Noofies? [06:28] That's a little bit of a contradiction in terms. [06:28] Evidently, wget segfaults iff the first connection times out, but the second attempt connects. [06:28] I'm a resident of the US of A [06:28] That seems... Different. [06:28] Except for infinity, because he comes from Noofieland, and now lives in .au. [06:29] I come from Noofieland? [06:29] infinity: Yes. [06:29] WOuld you like me to tell people that you come from Darwin? [06:29] Well, that's demonstrably untrue. [06:29] yes, tell us he comes from Darwin [06:29] then tell us who Darwin is [06:30] daniels : As is the bit about me and Newfoundland. :) [06:30] daniels : Since I'm from the other side of the country. [06:30] sabmoc: darwin is a horrible city in Australia === infinity goes to argue with wget instead, which is starting to seem like more fun. [06:31] infinity, noofies are the best people === sabmoc has never met a noofie he didnt like. [06:32] sabmoc: While australia is a rock they exile people to, it's a bit too big to be mistaken for the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. [06:32] sabmoc: Even my geography isn't that bad (and I can assure you, my geography is horrible) [06:33] It's probably the lack of meat that makes your sense of proportion and direction go all whacky. [06:33] jbailey, how can you have bad geography? I thought you were Canadian. [06:34] oh wait, should have said "of course you have bad geography, your Canadian." [06:34] s/your/you're/ [06:34] gah === sabmoc things grama is for whimps [06:35] sabmoc: Right. If it's flat it's the praries. If there's a mountain it's BC. If there's a big lake, it's Toronto. If people are talking around me and I can understand them all, it's Quebec, and if it smells like Vancouver but is either hotter or colder than it should be, it's Halfax. [06:35] HAHA [06:35] sabmoc: But notwithstanding that, I tend to think that Africa and India look awfully similar on maps. [06:36] jbailey: And if it's flat, dull, and invaded by masses of hackers once a year, it's Ontario. [06:37] You're thinking about ottawa. It's not perfectly flat. There's one hill there, and they decided to put the parliament buildings there. There's a hurd of wild cats there, which I think is terribly cool. [06:37] oh man [06:37] Is a hurd like a herd? :) [06:37] jbailey: you're SICK [06:37] ^ exactly [06:38] daniels: they're daemon cats [06:38] jbailey: and I thought Ottawa was in Ontario? [06:38] daniels: we'll fix him in sydney [06:38] Err. [06:40] a hurd of cats sounds cruel ... poor things must keep dying every few hours :( === OddAbe19 is back (gone 07:44:24) [06:42] daniels: There are allegidely mountains in Ontario somewhere. I haven't seen any sign of them, but this provice is somewhere around a million square kilometers. [06:43] jbailey: Ahr. [06:43] jbailey, what is the weather doing over there right now, have your igloos melted yet? [06:43] The province I'm moving to is apparently larger: 1,450,680 square kilometres. [06:43] ouch; we have 1,511 sources in main. and 1,026 sources we've changed from Debian [06:44] sabmoc: Mostly. There's still a bit of snow on the ground my rain and sun over the last 3 days are wearing them down. [06:44] The igloos never melt. If they did, where would we keep our pet polar bears? [06:44] (though some of that latter number are universe ones) [06:44] Keybuk: I blame lsb init. [06:44] daniels: I suspect python2.4 is more worthy of your blame [06:44] Keybuk: A question that came to mind earlier, if we eventually merge everything to where the changelog is the only difference, do we eventually go back to just merging? [06:45] if the changelog is the only difference, get elmo to sync it from Debian [06:45] highly unscientific: [06:45] daniels@catsby:~xap/debian/patches% COLUMNS=1200 dpkg -l | COLUMNS=1200 egrep '^ii' > foo [06:45]