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[07:16] <sabmoc> anyone awake?
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[09:05] <froud> African Greetings
[09:06] <Kinnison> froud.
[09:06] <froud> morning enrico
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[09:06] <froud> Kinnison: hi
[09:06] <froud> OK, ideas wanted dudes
[09:06] <Kinnison> What does that mean for you?
[09:07] <Kinnison> (being capped)
[09:07] <froud> I have done docs for Ubuntu Update Manager
[09:09] <froud> Kinnison: yeah Telscum cap the DSL when you pass 3GB
[09:09] <froud> Kinnison: slllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww mooooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttion
[09:09] <froud> Now Update Manager has moved to gnome cvs
[09:09] <froud> problem is I documented it on Ubuntu
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[09:10] <froud> question, how to keep the doc Ubuntu specific and neutral for GNOME
[09:11] <froud> ouch did anyone get what I just wrote?
[09:11] <sabmoc> would someone like to help me get started on working with the doc team?
[09:11] <froud> sabmoc: sure
[09:11] <sabmoc> ok, let me tell you where and what I am
[09:11] <froud> OK
[09:12] <sabmoc> I've read all the wiki pages on the docteam and howtogetstartedblahblahblah. I have used cvs but not svn yet. Dont think that should be too difficult.
[09:12] <sabmoc> I have read parts of the DocBook guide
[09:12] <froud> easy stuff
[09:12] <froud> good
[09:13] <sabmoc> I would like to learn more DocBook, and help the doc team if I can.
[09:13] <froud> good
[09:13] <sabmoc> That is all.
[09:13] <froud> what would you like to know next
[09:13] <sabmoc> hmm.. where do I start? Have any tasks that need taskers?
[09:14] <sabmoc> taskee's?
[09:14] <froud> well we are about to tag for release
[09:14] <sabmoc> yes, but I think that a good thing
[09:14] <froud> so not much writing is happening.
[09:14] <sabmoc> ah ok
[09:14] <froud> yes
[09:14] <froud> however, you should look at the following documents
[09:15] <sabmoc> This way I will see the breazy release from start to finish
[09:15] <froud> and see how you can contribute for the next release 
[09:15] <sabmoc> froud, will I need to actually run the unstable release? 
[09:15] <froud> look at User Guide, Admin Guide
[09:16] <froud> are you running Hoary now
[09:16] <sabmoc> yes, but when breazy comes out I dont plan to switch until it is very near release.
[09:16] <froud> next release is grumpy, no?
[09:17] <froud> then comes breazy
[09:17] <sabmoc> Oh!
[09:17] <sabmoc> ok, well s/breazy/grumpy/;
[09:17] <froud> Well same diff
[09:17] <froud> normally, yes you run the next release from the devel 
[09:18] <sabmoc> froud, hmm.. 
[09:18] <froud> however, not everything in those guides will require changes
[09:18] <froud> to grumpy
[09:18] <froud> one place to look if you want to stay on hoary is the FAQ Guide
[09:19] <sabmoc> Im sort of planning to buy another computer, maybe if I do then Ill install grumpy, but otherwise I really need a stable desktop.
[09:20] <froud> it is currently at warty
[09:20] <froud> and needs updaating to hoary
[09:20] <froud> I believe that Corey was gonna look at that
[09:20] <froud> he is not here now
[09:20] <froud> however, the last meeting notes will give you an idea
[09:20] <sabmoc> The notes are posted to the mailing list?
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[09:21] <sabmoc> The notes are posted to the mailing list?
[09:21] <froud> sorry i may disappear and reappear
[09:21] <sabmoc> I noticed :)
[09:21] <froud> my line has been capped
[09:21] <sabmoc> Thats strange, what does that mean, upload limits?
[09:22] <froud> I would start looking at all the docs and thinking what I can and want to do
[09:23] <sabmoc> Ok :)
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[09:24] <froud> Kinnison:  arrrrrg this is what it means for me ;-(
[09:24] <sabmoc> heh
[09:24] <sabmoc> poor guy
[09:24] <Kinnison> froud: Oh dear
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[09:24] <sabmoc> get a new provider
[09:24] <froud> poor South Africa
[09:24] <Kinnison> just waiting for the regrade to complete
[09:25] <froud> lemme see if I can find a server on which I can get a shell
[09:26] <froud> sabmoc: in co.za it is all the same
[09:26] <sabmoc> froud, ok thank you for the information. So basically just read the current documents and wait for the next cycle to begin. I can do that. :)
[09:27] <sabmoc> froud, that is most unfortunate :(
[09:27] <froud> whats the command to run bitchx again
[09:29] <sabmoc> it is `xchat`
[09:29] <sabmoc> for me, at least..
[09:29] <froud> sabmoc: yes, you can give patches on the docs I mentioned
[09:29] <sabmoc> where do I send them?
[09:29] <sabmoc> let me guess
[09:29] <sabmoc> as attachments to mailing list?
[09:30] <froud> yep
[09:30] <sabmoc> kk
[09:30] <sabmoc> anything else?
[09:30] <sabmoc> Actually, thats enough.
[09:30] <froud> BitchX is one of the most well-known IRC clients for the text console. It originated from ircii. It offers a lot of possibilities and settings.
[09:31] <sabmoc> froud, thanks goodnight
[09:31] <froud> aaaarg non of those hosts have bitchx
[09:31] <froud> sabmoc: my pleasure
[09:31] <froud> welcome
[09:31] <froud> to
[09:31] <froud> the
[09:32] <froud> docteam
[09:33] <froud> OK dudes, I cant stand the pain. I will drop in now and then to see you.
[09:33] <froud> c ya later
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[10:03] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[10:03] <Kinnison> ciao abelli
[10:03] <abelli> enrico: ding dong dang
[10:04] <abelli> Kinnison: hows life treating you??
[10:04] <Kinnison> abelli: not bad thanks
[10:04] <Kinnison> abelli: you?
[10:04] <abelli> everything's ok thank u.
[10:13] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[10:13] <abelli> ciao
[10:13] <jsgotangco> ciao
[10:14] <jsgotangco> how long does the initial doc source take to dl?
[10:16] <abelli> jsgotangco: mmmm no idea sorry.
[10:16] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[10:16] <abelli> jsgotangco: i think you better  ask enrico.
[10:20] <jsgotangco> i will i'm just getting my feet wet in docbook at the moment
[10:22] <abelli> :)
[10:31] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:31] <abelli> what?
[10:32] <jsgotangco> are wiki issues also discussed here?
[10:32] <abelli> i think so, yes.
[10:32] <jsgotangco> well it seems my wiki entry is deleted?
[10:33] <abelli> huh.
[10:34] <abelli> enrico is the team secretary... you should ask him.
[10:34] <jsgotangco> enrico u there?
[10:37] <jsgotangco> what the hell
[10:37] <jsgotangco> someone deleted my wiki
[10:37] <jsgotangco> grr
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[08:16] <mdke> hi all
[08:17] <Burgundavia> salut
[08:20] <Kinnison> Evening burger
[08:22] <mdke> hi Burgundavia Kinnison 
[08:24] <Kinnison> mdke: 
[08:24] <Kinnison> s/:/./
[08:24] <mdke> lol
[08:24] <mdke> sup
[08:25] <mdke> sabmoc, ping
[08:25] <Burgundavia> well if sabmoc's ip is correct, he lives very close to me
[08:25] <Burgundavia> which means he may be a work
[08:25] <mdke> whoops
[08:25] <mdke> brb
[08:25] <mdke> (phone)
[08:35] <sabmoc> hello
[08:35] <sabmoc> someone still looking for me?
[08:35] <sabmoc> mdke, ping
[08:35] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ping
[08:36] <Burgundavia> no
[08:36] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: where do you live?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> mdke: was looking for you, but he is on the phone
[08:37] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, near Vancouver
[08:38] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, do you live in BC too?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Victoria
[08:38] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ah cool, I actually live in sechelt, just across the water from Nanaimo
[08:38] <Burgundavia> if you can, come down to VLUG, April 12
[08:39] <sabmoc> Hey that would be cool!
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we meet 7pm, at UVIC
[08:39] <Burgundavia> www.vlug.org
[08:40] <sabmoc> Its possible that I could come. Im free on the 12th
[08:40] <Burgundavia> do you want to do a hoary presentation together on the 12th?
[08:40] <sabmoc> gah, no
[08:40] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:41] <sabmoc> well, what would be involved?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> do you have a laptop?
[08:41] <sabmoc> nope
[08:41] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:41] <Burgundavia> then I have to install hoary on something and bring it
[08:41] <Burgundavia> and then we show them the cool new features
[08:42] <Burgundavia> and we talk about where Ubuntu is going
[08:42] <sabmoc> hmm.. but what if Im a clueless twit?
[08:42] <mdke> lol
[08:42] <mdke> never
[08:42] <Burgundavia> if you use Ubuntu, you cannot be
[08:42] <mdke> hi sabmoc and welcome
[08:42] <sabmoc> hi mdke 
[08:43] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, hmm
[08:43] <sabmoc> should I bring a tent? :D
[08:44] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: hmm
[08:44] <Burgundavia> Unfortunately, I live in a room in a house, and thus have no place to put you up
[08:46] <sabmoc> How many people usually show up?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> ~20-30
[08:46] <sabmoc> sounds really fun
[08:48] <sabmoc> I'll have to think of where I would stay, since it would have to be an overnight trip for me, and I would have to get from Nanaimo to uvic, probably bus it.
[08:49] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Nanaimo to Vic by bus (ouch, I have done that once)
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[08:50] <sabmoc> hahaha
[08:50] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: right
[08:50] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: about that getting out more
[08:51] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: you want to fly? (my brother is a pilot)
[08:51] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I was thinking flying too
[08:51] <mdke> sabmoc, i don't believe that canadian team has grown up in 2 days
[08:51] <mdke> that's so cool
[08:52] <Burgundavia> have to counteract the european influence you know
[08:52] <sabmoc> aye, not to mention those pesky americano's
[08:52] <mdke> heh
[08:52] <mdke> get Burgundavia to join
[08:52] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, join
[08:52] <sabmoc> haha
[08:53] <mdke> he's only on 10 or so teams
[08:53] <sabmoc> pfft
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I am not
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I do stuff for universe and co
[08:53] <Burgundavia> s/co/doc
[08:53] <Burgundavia> that is it
[08:53] <mdke> just kidding
[08:53] <Burgundavia> ;)
[08:53] <mdke> but you're an active member of the ubuntu community
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I guess you could say that
[08:54] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, how much does the ferry to Nanaimo cost?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> 10, 5 if student
[08:55] <Burgundavia> each way
[08:55] <Burgundavia> from bcferries.com
[08:55] <sabmoc> Actually I meant with a vehicle
[08:55] <Burgundavia> more
[08:56] <Burgundavia> 31.25 each wa
[08:56] <Burgundavia> s/wa/way
[08:56] <Burgundavia> plus driver
[08:57] <sabmoc> so 72.50, plus about 35 for the Gibsons ferry, plus gas food and hotel. hmm
[08:57] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:57] <sabmoc> ouch
[08:57] <sabmoc> haha
[08:58] <Burgundavia> it doesn't have an airport, does it?
[08:59] <sabmoc> I'll check the rates for a float plane, next to where I work is a float airline
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:59] <Burgundavia> going to be more
[08:59] <sabmoc> they've given me free rides before
[08:59] <sabmoc> maybe we can work something out
[09:01] <sabmoc> Its funny that I've never been to Vancouver Island, yet I've been all over BC's interior.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> what do you do as a day job?
[09:02] <sabmoc> I used to fix photocopiers for sharp, but now I am in a transition taking over the family business from my father. We own a restaurant.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:03] <sabmoc> So basically Im a cook.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> I am currently enjoying being unemployed
[09:03] <Burgundavia> left my job about 2 weeks ago
[09:03] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, lucky bugger
[09:03] <Burgundavia> used to work for www.microserve.ca
[09:03] <Burgundavia> doing windows crap
[09:03] <sabmoc> ah cool
[09:03] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I worked for Stream in Chiliwack for a while doing tech support
[09:04] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, are you going to school right now?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> went to CDI
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I was hired straight out of CDI last Sept
[09:04] <Burgundavia> was kind of nice
[09:04] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, wow
[09:05] <Burgundavia> then I realized that I was killing myself doing the job
[09:05] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, what did you take at cdi?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> and wasn't having much fun doing it
[09:05] <Burgundavia> network and internet security specialist
[09:05] <Burgundavia> basically msce+security
[09:05] <Burgundavia> thought I don't have the certs
[09:05] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, nice, you're not going to believe this but I went to CDI for a short time as well.
[09:06] <Burgundavia> what did you take?
[09:06] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I didnt like it though, I was taking programming.
[09:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:06] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:06] <Burgundavia> they only teach m$ stuff
[09:06] <sabmoc> I droped out before the student loans went though the roof
[09:06] <mdke> lol@list
[09:07] <mdke> "bug first, then email"
[09:08] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, maybe you had desent teachers but when I was there all I did was read, there was almost no personal instruction going on at all, and I just figured why pay for this when I can do it myself for free.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I didn't get much is the way of personal stuff
[09:08] <Burgundavia> but I did quite well
[09:08] <sabmoc> thats cool
[09:08] <Burgundavia> the instructor really really knew his stuff through
[09:08] <Burgundavia> though
[09:09] <Burgundavia> that helped
[09:09] <sabmoc> in hind site I probably should have finished it, just for the sake of finishing
[09:09] <Burgundavia> hey, water over the dam
[09:10] <sabmoc> our instructor had her own software company and was making a killing on some contracts, i dont think she really cared about her teaching job but its tuff to find qualified programmers willing to teach.
[09:11] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, yeah, doesnt really matter, I've taken a few classes at BCIT and Im taking another one next term.
[09:11] <Burgundavia> cdi pays like shit too
[09:12] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, probably, they have to finance to advertisments somehow.
[09:12] <sabmoc> s/to/those/;
[09:15] <sabmoc> oh no, gmail is down
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: no, its not
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: however, it was down for me
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: I suspect rolling server outages
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