[12:00] <nis> thoreauputic: e.g. you click on a link on a web site designed to exploit it, and they can exec arbitrary script on your machine.
[12:00] <thoreauputic> nis: scary
[12:00] <djp> nis: i think that is referring to a full system backup script. i am trying to get the differential backup script to work. i have tested the full backup manually and got it to work but haven't tried it as a cron job yet.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> nis: I assume my recent install would have incorporated the patch (January this year)
[12:01] <HillTop> DarthFrog, calc, You there??
[12:01] <raetsel> well time for bed for me
[12:02] <raetsel> goodnight all
[12:02] <DarthFrog> HillTop: Sometimes. :-)
[12:02] <thoreauputic> night raetsel
[12:02] <nis> thoreauputic: it angered me -- I wasn't about to d/l a 65 meg 'patch' for something that should not have been there.  It was a *big* flaw, on par with Microsoft's usual lousy security.  So I stopped using Mac OS X when the modem established internet connectivity via pppd or whatever.
[12:02] <djp> night raetsel
[12:02] <monteiro> i can't install nvidia drivers on my 686 2.6.10 kernel, i install the deb but when i make modprobe nvidia he says that don't exist, in my 386 kernel worked well , anyone can help me ?
[12:02] <HillTop> DarthFrog,  I tried The Famous Fork Bomb in Kubuntu Hoary livecd on a 200MH and it locked up in less than a second. Mouse, stuck, top in console stopped. ctrl-alt-backspace -- nothing.  :(
[12:03] <DarthFrog> HillTop: LOL!
[12:03] <nis> thoreauputic: I'm sure they learned a lesson, and you don't have the flaw.  But you might want to google for it; it was very easy to test for.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> nis: right . I find I use linux almost all the time anyway - I don't really like OS-X that much: too much is "hidden" and hard to find under the hood
[12:04] <maxchee> does anyone know how to use debfoster?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> I tried fink etc, but then I figured I have allthat in linux, so why bother
[12:05] <nis> thoreauputic: yep, exactly.  When I bought the iMac I was thinking, 'Okay, *BSD. Good -- another Unix.'  Then I looked at what was really available under a GPL-type of license.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> nis: yes, it's not exactly "free as in speech", is it ?
[12:05] <nis> btw I'm coming off a 1.5 year stint on Gentoo.
[12:06] <MicroChris> hello :-)
[12:06] <HillTop> DarthFrog,  Do you know if Ubuntu live has tohd=/dev/hda1    and fromhd=/dev/hda1    as KNOPPIX does?
[12:06] <Spooks> Finally, got it reconnected
[12:06] <DarthFrog> HillTop: Sorry, no.
[12:06] <nis> thoreauputic: aqua and company is too much abstraction. It's too Macish. ;)
[12:06] <thoreauputic> nis: I have neither the bandwidth noer the patience for gentoo ;)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> nis: haha - yeah, the trouble with Mac is its Macishness ;)
[12:07] <nis> thoreauputic: right.  Gentoo was really fun, but it took up all my time.
[12:07] <nis> I've been using Debian since about 1995 or so.
[12:07] <nis> I've never been without at least one working Debian box.
[12:08] <MicroChris> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[12:08] <MicroChris> omg
[12:08] <thoreauputic> nis: debian for two years, a stint with mandrake before that - I now have two Ubuntu installs and a woody on an old P 200 mmx
[12:09] <nis> thoreauputic: so why ubuntu .. really?  For me I just wanted to see if there were more pix of that blonde at top of family circle. ;)
[12:09] <monteiro> MicroChris : you've nvidia working ?
[12:09] <MicroChris> Ill be sticking with Ubuntu for years
[12:09] <thoreauputic> nis: oh, and debian sarge on another
[12:09] <MicroChris> monteiro, naa Radeon 7500 :-\
[12:10] <monteiro> MicroChris : :((( ok , i've problems with nvidia only with the 686 2.6.10 kernel
[12:10] <MicroChris> i upgraded to hoary last night, and had this reallly crappy res that was making my eyes bug out
[12:10] <MicroChris> ahh
[12:10] <thoreauputic> nis: the blonde is nice :) But I like the community/ philosophy and it solved my sound problems out of the box...
[12:10] <MicroChris> monteiro, did you try upgrading to 2.6.11.x?
[12:10] <nis> thoreauputic: how can a debian derivative be more secure than testing or unstable debian?
[12:10] <monteiro> MicroChris : yes
[12:10] <monteiro> MicroChris : same think
[12:10] <djp> nis: things are happening!
[12:10] <monteiro> MicroChris : i installed nvidia-glx 2 :(
[12:11] <MicroChris> ahh that sucks :-(
[12:11] <odie5533> When I try install w32codecs it tells me E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[12:11] <thoreauputic> nis: secure? I'm not running a server here and I have a firewall - I guess they're about equal
[12:11] <nis> djp: cool!
[12:11] <cusco> hi folks
[12:11] <MicroChris> hey cusco
[12:11] <cusco> I have a data link cable using usbnet as a driver
[12:12] <EddieX> I wonder, what has happend to epiphiany? ;)
[12:12] <cusco> but when I type ifup usb0 it says: error for wireless request "set encode"
[12:12] <thoreauputic> odie5533: because you don't have the marillat repository, I expect
[12:12] <cusco> why wireless?
[12:12] <nis> thoreauputic: well I was not happy with constant state of flux of Gentoo in terms of security; Woody is secure as all heck but is old.  testing and unstable (debian) are said to be insecure, by the Deb security team FAQ itself. (they say 'run woody').
[12:12] <odie5533> I dont
[12:13] <odie5533> ill add it
[12:13] <MicroChris> IMO, Ubuntu > Gentoo
[12:13] <cusco> I was taking http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ as a tutorial
[12:13] <MicroChris> hands down
[12:13] <MicroChris> heh
[12:13] <cusco> could anyone give me some lights on this networking issue with usbnet
[12:14] <BSDskin> if anyone's up for an xorg question, I got one that needs tackling
[12:14] <MicroChris> sure
[12:14] <MicroChris> shoot
[12:14] <nis> I looked at sourcemage -- I thot it was pretty strange (just the chatter on their website).  Too dungeons & dragons for my tastes.
[12:14] <djp> nis: gonna leave this thing running and see what the outcome is. my changes have made it do something and it has got further than before anyhow. have to wait and see if i get a cron message when it finishes. off for some kip now. thanks for the insight
[12:14] <thoreauputic> nis: for what it's worth, my warty install has had a constant stream of security updates
[12:14] <MicroChris> BSDskin, PM me if you want
[12:14] <nis> djp: welcome.
[12:15] <nis> thoreauputic: yes, but the debian security mirror model seems well-implemented in ubuntu. I saw it working early.
[12:15] <calc> nis: unstable is likely to be more secure than testing on debian, yes
[12:15] <thoreauputic> nis: mostly small, a few bigger ( 80MB) but I have a lot of dev packages, which tends to double the patches up, I think
[12:16] <nis> thoreauputic, calc: I'm considering learning how to build everything in ubuntu from source.
[12:16] <calc> nis: what does that accomplish?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> nis: the guys with canonical and co seem to be right on the ball
[12:16] <nis> (having used portage for a year and a half under gentoo)
[12:16] <nis> calc: optimization.
[12:16] <calc> its trivial to build the stuff from source, yes but it doesn't buy you anything
[12:16] <calc> nis: ah good luck with that
[12:16] <JDahl> nis, there's not much to learn, I think...
[12:16] <nis> altivec!
[12:16] <nis> ;)
[12:17] <calc> nis: the time wasted by doing that is not offset by any trivial speedup
[12:17] <thoreauputic> calc: I'm inclined to agree
[12:17] <elixir> Hi, Everyone, I've got a question... Is there a "how-to" patch ubuntu's kernel to use bootsplash?
[12:17] <calc> i don't know about ppc but it definitely isn't time well spent on i386
[12:17] <nis> calc: might expose some security flaws and I might actually contrib a patch now and then.  Don't forget I'm running on a not well-understood platform (iMac G4)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> nis: quite a few ubuntu devs seem to run macs
[12:18] <nis> There's probably less than 1000 iMac G4 users running any Linux variant 24/7. ;)
[12:19] <jim_jacques> can someone give me a hint on how to solve a segmentation fault problem, please?
[12:19] <calc> i've seen quite a few gnome/debian/ubuntu people that run macs
[12:19] <elixir> how to install a bootsplash? I need a "how-to"...
[12:19] <nis> calc: I hope so. ;)
[12:19] <calc> though they probably don't all have G4's
[12:19] <thoreauputic> elixir: gogle is your friend :)
[12:19] <calc> even linus uses G5 for the past few years (that news article was very out of date)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> *google
[12:20] <elixir> I found a patch in the official bootsplash webpage... but it's for a different kernel version :S
[12:20] <elixir> I'm using Hoary... kernel 2.6.10
[12:20] <nis> Well ubuntu is worth a shot.
[12:21] <jim_jacques> does anyone else get segmentation faults on hoary a lot?
[12:21] <nis> I still don't know where to look for mirrors to point /etc/apt/sources.list to tho.
[12:21] <calc> nis: point at archive.ubuntulinux.org ?
[12:22] <nis> calc: yes, that works, I was hoping for a local mirror nearer to me.
[12:22] <nis> (east coast usa)
[12:22] <nis> I use debian.crosslink.net here, for debian.
[12:22] <madstop> anybody seen these:  "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting."
[12:23] <calc> nis: their website has a list of mirrors by country
[12:23] <nis> calc: o btw, I have to modify the kernel myself to get sound working on the iMac.
[12:23] <madstop> eh, that's kde, "artsmessage"
[12:23] <nis> calc: thanks!  haven't seen that yet.  Will look.
[12:23] <thoreauputic> nis: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Archive  has mirror listings
[12:23] <thoreauputic> as well
[12:24] <nis> thoreauputic: ding! THANKX
[12:25] <nis> that pays the freight.
[12:25] <nis> it'd be nice to get the iMac microphone working.  that'd be neat.
[12:27] <calc> erm totem-xine in hoary is buggy
[12:27] <calc> its eating 66% cpu on a athlon64 3200 to just stream a 96k mp3
[12:29] <EddieX> I got a really hang on my system today, the webradio was fine but everything just freezed. Have checked the logs but could not find anything.. Anyone who had this?
[12:29] <GnuKemist> hello all
[12:30] <calc> heh yea gnome was biting it
[12:30] <DazeD||laptop> hello
[12:30] <calc> now its only using 3% cpu
[12:30] <Fackamato> hm
[12:30] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[12:30] <calc> linux desktop is getting to be about as reliable as win98
[12:30] <Fackamato> has anyone solved the issue with xorg eating cpu resources?
[12:31] <calc> Fackamato: trying logging out and back in it might fix it
[12:31] <DazeD||laptop> calc: where do you get that idea from?
[12:31] <calc> Fackamato: totem was just eating 66% for me until i did that
[12:31] <EddieX> calc, I agree :)
[12:31] <Fackamato> calc: It didn't solve it for me, moving around a window still eats lots of cpu resources. :/
[12:31] <calc> DazeD||laptop: gnome is always causing problems for me, i have to log out to get it to start working right again
[12:31] <calc> Fackamato: you may be using a bad video driver or something like that then
[12:31] <DazeD||laptop> craziness...works great with me
[12:32] <Fackamato> well
[12:32] <Fackamato> tried with the latest nvidia driver, and I'm now using 66.29, same :\
[12:32] <Fackamato> and I've got both 2D and 3D acceleration
[12:32] <thoreauputic> calc: don't forget that gnome 2.10 is *very* new - warty with xfree seems OK here
[12:32] <nis> gnome is quite difficult to build from sources.
[12:32] <Spooks> sleep time
[12:33] <rabidgoblin> hey does it matter if i get a newer version of kernel-sources than my kernel for the nvidia driver?
[12:33] <Fackamato> uh yeah
[12:33] <thoreauputic> rabidgoblin: yes it does
[12:33] <Fackamato> of course it does
[12:33] <rabidgoblin> thought so
[12:33] <rabidgoblin> hmm
[12:33] <thoreauputic> rabidgoblin: thay must match
[12:34] <rabidgoblin> exactly? like 2.6.10-5?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> rabidgoblin: exactly
[12:34] <thoreauputic> as in  linux-sources-$(uname -r)
[12:35] <rabidgoblin> hmm theres no kernel-sources-2.6.10-5
[12:35] <thoreauputic> linux-sources in ubuntu
[12:35] <rabidgoblin> linux-sources?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> just to make life confusing :/
[12:35] <rabidgoblin> ok
[12:35] <nick_m> anyone know how i get the exact kernel source that was used in the 5.04 preview live cd?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> linux-headers, linux-sources, linux-image
[12:36] <calc> nick_m: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.10/changelog.gz
[12:36] <nis> oh! clarkson.edu is in NY.
[12:36] <calc> nick_m: erm thats not the proper url
[12:36] <calc> nick_m: it will look something like that depending on the exact kernel package name
[12:37] <nick_m> if i apt-get source linux-source-2.6.10 and drop the config in from the live cd, there are differences..
[12:37] <nick_m> calc, thanks.. but its all newer now..
[12:37] <calc> nick_m: you can get it out of the morgue most likely
[12:38] <calc> nick_m: assuming you find out the rev that is installed on the live cd
[12:38] <djst> this is lame to say in an #ubuntu channel, but i must say i really like ubuntu
[12:38] <Blissex> djst: good taste :-)
[12:38] <sal002> Are there any comparisons of warty and hoary online?
[12:39] <actionjackson> how do I get ouyt of the terminal after I type sudo nano /etc/hdparm.conf and saving my settings?
[12:39] <actionjackson> ^X doesn't seem to do it?
[12:39] <GnuKemist> actionjackson, typed exit?
[12:39] <actionjackson> I did and nothing happens?!
[12:40] <nick_m> calc, hmm.. i'm trying to save myself some time and failing :( if i just want to add a module to the livecd, would i be better off using the daily preview? is the apt source in sync with that?
[12:40] <GnuKemist> actionjackson, do you mean get out of nano?
[12:40] <actionjackson> yes
[12:40] <calc> nick_m: no idea
[12:40] <thoreauputic> ^X means ctrl-X
[12:40] <GnuKemist> ctrl + x
[12:40] <thoreauputic> in case that's the problem
[12:40] <GnuKemist> thoreauputic, I think you nailed it
[12:40] <actionjackson> sorry for being so ignorant guys:)
[12:41] <GnuKemist> actionjackson, don't apologize... it's ok
[12:41] <GnuKemist> actionjackson, been there, done that
[12:41] <thoreauputic> actionjackson: understandable - it isn't obvious :)
[12:41] <actionjackson> yeah, just did that and it worked... thanks!
[12:41] <nick_m> calc, thanks anyway :)
[12:41] <GnuKemist> brb
[12:42] <nis> actionjackson: can't you just click on the window decoration of nano that has the X in it?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> nis: he was trying to exit the editor, not the shell
[12:43] <nis> oh -- wait -- nano is PICO.
[12:43] <nis> yeah, ^X does it there.
[12:43] <thoreauputic> nis: clone of, yeah
[12:43] <actionjackson> that's right
[12:43] <sal002> Is it a pretty seemless upgrade to hoary - just apt-get dist-upgrade and presto?
[12:43] <nis> actionjackson: try 'joe' if available.
[12:43] <MMond> thoreauputic: Busy? Wanna walk me through that.. thing?
[12:43] <actionjackson> nis, got it under control now...
[12:43] <thoreauputic> MMond: fluxbox?
[12:44] <MMond> Mmmhmm
[12:44] <nis> sal002: you should always upgrade the 'base' first. essential packages; esp libc and perl.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> MMond: can you wait 5 minutes? I'm on dialup and about to lose the connection
[12:44] <MMond> Oh, okies. np.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> MMond: I'll be back in 5
[12:45] <MMond> Others were asking if it comes with suckit ;D
[12:45] <MMond> kk
[12:45] <sal002> nis: so apt-get upgrade?
[12:45] <GnuKemist> back
[12:45] <nis> sal002: I've never done it that way (this is years of Debian upgrades by hand after being bit).
[12:46] <sal002> nis: Ahh
[12:46] <odie5533> Is there any good java IDE for ubuntu?
[12:46] <nis> sal002: I do it the hard way; I generally work at dselect until it doesn't ask for any downloads (use = key and Q keybinding) first.
[12:46] <sal002> Eclipse
[12:47] <odie5533> Is it in the repositories?
[12:47] <GnuKemist> odie5533, try Eclipse
[12:47] <nis> sal002: once dselect doesn't want anything it's an excellent tool for solving dependencies.
[12:47] <sal002> nis: I installed ubuntu that way after the installer crapped out ;)
[12:48] <nis> sal002: try setting    Download-Only "true";   in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[12:48] <nis> that'll prevent dselect from installing anything.
[12:49] <nis> it'll just grab all the .deb files from the mirror.
[12:49] <CarlK_> did a new hoary image get released today?
[12:50] <nis> after that you   'dpkg -i filename.deb'  or  move all the wanted .deb files to a directory and type 'dpkg -i *.deb' to install just those, together.
[12:50] <nis> if it breaks, 'dpkg --pending --configure' generally fixes things.
[12:51] <thoreauputic> MMond: did you see my /msg ?
[12:51] <CarlK_> I just finished downloading hoary-install-i386.iso, ran rsync on it and the eta is 2 hours
[12:51] <CarlK_> at 79.50kB/s
[12:52] <lrojas> hi all, this might be dumb but how do i make sure i have the new nvidia drivers installed in hoary?
[12:52] <nis> rsync over ssh will be running encrypted. /random thot
[12:52] <nis> lrojas: dmesg
[12:52] <sal002> nis: That seems to be a good method.
[12:52] <sal002> Of course, this is a test machine, so if it crashes, I could care less
[12:53] <nis> sal002: it's slow but it is a great ratchet when changing to a new release of Debian.
[12:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: erm.. do you still want help, or have you gone to sleep?
[12:54] <McVerne> is there a jigdo file for kubuntu live cd?
[12:54] <nis> I don't let dselect install .deb files until a new release is completely installed; then I allow apt to install by changing Download-Only to "false".
[12:55] <lrojas> nis, ok how do i make sense of all that.. if i dont see anything related to nvidia, how do i add the nvidia modules?
[12:55] <ngd> hey guys, does anyone know to make the defualt firefox theme the actually default firefox theme
[12:55] <nis> lrojas: dmesg | more
[12:56] <nis> lrojas: look for the video stuph
[12:56] <ngd> at the moment it uses some ugly gnome icons
[12:56] <thoreauputic> lrojas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:57] <ngd> anybody else noticed that?
[12:58] <odie5533> Where can I download Eclipse for Ubuntu?
[12:59] <nis> lrojas: just after 'Console' will be a msg something like 'rivafb: PCI nVidia NV10 framebuffer ver 0.9.4b (GeForce2-MX, 32MB @ 0x98000000)' (mine's powerpc tho)
[12:59] <GnuKemist> ngd, have you tried going to tools and selecting the appropriate theme and setting it as the default one?
[12:59] <sal002> nis: And pretty safe, from what I gather.  Good for environments that need to stay up
[01:00] <GnuKemist> odie5533, not sure if there's a deb for it but head on down to IBM (I think that is where they have it)
[01:00] <sal002> odie5533: I think you can download the eclipse package at www.eclipse.org
[01:00] <apokryphos> McVerne: no
[01:00] <GnuKemist> sal002, there u go... wasn't sure they had their own site  ;)
[01:01] <sal002> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2664.html
[01:01] <ngd> GnuKemist: I haven't installed any themes
[01:01] <sal002> err..http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
[01:01] <ngd> GnuKemist: I selected the default theme again to make sre, but it just uses gnome icons which look rubbish
[01:01] <nis> sal002: I find libc and perl most sensitive; then dpkg suite (including apt dselect etc.) and then to the rest of the required packages.
[01:02] <GnuKemist> ngd, I usually get something to replace the default one right away on a new install ;)
[01:02] <deceptiiive> Hey, anyone know where to get 3d backgrounds for e17? just installed, and lurvin :-D
[01:02] <nis> sal002: dselect does a good job showing things by priority, top to bottom.  I was quite happy ubuntu didn't remove dselect from its toolchain.
[01:02] <ngd> yeah, I guess that's the best fix, it's just I dont get why it isnt the actual _default_ font
[01:02] <GnuKemist> ngd, may I suggest the Qute theme?
[01:02] <GnuKemist> ngd, agreed
[01:03] <ngd> GnuKemist: cool I'll have a butchers
[01:03] <nis> sal002: you just have to stomp it with a lot of iterative = and Q keypresses after an (U)pdate. ;)
[01:03] <GnuKemist> ngd, https://addons.update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=7
[01:04] <ngd> GnuKemist: muuucchhh better :-)
[01:04] <ngd> GnuKemist: cheers dude
[01:04] <PacoBCN> guys, do you know any cd/mp3 cataloguer?
[01:04] <GnuKemist> ngd, right on dude!  :)
[01:04] <PacoBCN> I need to sort my music collection
[01:05] <MicroChris> Is there Synaptic on Hoary? If not, whats in place of it
[01:05] <nis> sal002: you can also use a chroot jail on a new tree if you have room.  start dselect inside the jail.
[01:05] <PacoBCN> MicroChris, yes
[01:05] <PacoBCN> there is
[01:05] <MicroChris> i cant find it :-(
[01:05] <GnuKemist> MicroChris, yup...  under System -> Administration
[01:05] <PacoBCN> ?
[01:05] <MicroChris> ahh
[01:05] <GnuKemist> ;)
[01:05] <PacoBCN> Really?
[01:05] <GnuKemist> yup
[01:05] <MicroChris> i dont see it
[01:05] <MicroChris> heh
[01:05] <vafnord> I switched out an nvidia video card for an ati rage 128.  I need help getting it working.
[01:06] <PacoBCN> MicroChris, try typing "synaptic" in your console
[01:06] <MicroChris> chris@ubuntu:~ $ synaptic
[01:06] <MicroChris> bash: synaptic: command not found
[01:06] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, can always rely on the console...  heh
[01:06] <BSDskin> aptitude?
[01:06] <ngd> any larswm users in here?
[01:06] <PacoBCN> MicroChris, ok, install it then :D
[01:07] <GnuKemist> MicroChris, weird... it wasn't installed by default?
[01:07] <MicroChris> :-( nope
[01:07] <MicroChris> lol
[01:07] <PacoBCN> MicroChris, probably it was uninstalled somehow
[01:07] <MicroChris> very weird
[01:07] <MicroChris> ahh
[01:07] <PacoBCN> don't panic :D
[01:07] <MicroChris> lol
[01:07] <GnuKemist> MicroChris, apt-get it
[01:07] <PacoBCN> "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
[01:07] <GnuKemist> MicroChris, simple solution
[01:07] <MicroChris> got it
[01:07] <MicroChris> thanks guys
[01:07] <PacoBCN> got the app?
[01:07] <PacoBCN> or installed it?
[01:07] <GnuKemist> MicroChris, my pleasure
[01:08] <PacoBCN> now help me, guys :D
[01:08] <GnuKemist> hehe
[01:08] <PacoBCN> any music cataloguer known?
[01:08] <PacoBCN> just need to sort my music collection
[01:08] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, tried Rhythmbox?
[01:08] <lrojas> sorry to bother, after i install the driver how do i fix X configuration so it uses the nvidia driver?
[01:09] <PacoBCN> Rhythbox is a player
[01:09] <GnuKemist> lrojas, you have to change the driver from nv to nvidia
[01:09] <lrojas> where?
[01:09] <PacoBCN> I need something that will also add all the thousands of cds I have
[01:09] <lrojas> whats the name of the file i have to edit
[01:09] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, you want to be able to edit the tags and such?
[01:09] <lrojas> ?
[01:09] <username> if I go to 'Network' and navigate to a smb folder on the network, where is this actually mounted in ubuntu?
[01:09] <GnuKemist> lrojas, xorg.config
[01:10] <PacoBCN> no, no, might sound stupid, but I just have to be able to know if I have something or not :S
[01:10] <PacoBCN> many people ask me for music and most of the times I don't know if I have it or not
[01:10] <GnuKemist> oh... you may have to write it...  hehehe  lil' bash script
[01:11] <PacoBCN> no, no, I want something a bit more elaborated, prolly even able to grab the cover
[01:11] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, don't have anything like it here
[01:11] <nis> oops I didn't see the scrollback.  May've missed some comments.
[01:11] <odie5533> Where is a standard place to install files?
[01:11] <sal002> nis: all good ideas...
[01:11] <nis> odie5533: /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[01:11] <GnuKemist> odie5533, you mean hand compiled stuff?
[01:11] <PacoBCN> odie, what kind of files?
[01:11] <caffinated> odie5533: /usr/local
[01:11] <odie5533> Eclipse in this case
[01:11] <nis> odie5533: /usr/src ?
[01:11] <PacoBCN> bins? manuals? locales?
[01:11] <apokryphos> nis: no, that's just where the .debs are downloaded to from apt.
[01:12] <PacoBCN> oh
[01:12] <GnuKemist> odie5533, I'd say /usr/src as well
[01:12] <apokryphos> It completely depends on what you're installing
[01:12] <username> and /opt
[01:12] <nis> odie5533: $HOME? ;)
[01:12] <caffinated> i wouldn't put binaries in /usr/src - makes no sense :)
[01:12] <username> and /sw in the case of fink
[01:12] <PacoBCN> /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:12] <PacoBCN> this is the place
[01:12] <PacoBCN> ;)
[01:12] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: no, it's not.
[01:12] <nis> username: good one. ;)
[01:13] <odie5533> Where are my programs anyway? For example, where is FireFox?
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> 'which firefox'
[01:13] <nis> odie5533: 'which firefox'
[01:13] <PacoBCN> in that case my sys is fucked up because I have tons of debs there :D
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> will show the path to it.
[01:13] <apokryphos> odie5533: the executable? "whereis firefox"
[01:13] <GnuKemist> odie5533, shouldn't really matter... I'd put them home and point the config to install the binaries in /usr/local/bin or such
[01:13] <Hackmo> Hey, does anyone know why Firefox freezes or shuts itself when I view certain websites?
[01:13] <username> where is my doctor?
[01:13] <apokryphos> odie5533: or what Dr_Willis said
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  try a diffrent browser?
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  what site?
[01:13] <odie5533> ah
[01:13] <odie5533> thats handy
[01:14] <nis> odie5533: if it's a lib, point LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the same path.
[01:14] <Hackmo> Dr_Willis: The site works in other browsers http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401855/
[01:14] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, I remember reading about an iTunes-like app for linux the other day
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  works for me useing firefox under windows.
[01:15] <odie5533> The executable I think its called are all in /usr/bin, but where are the other files?
[01:15] <PacoBCN> GnuKemist, don't remember the name, I guess, right?
[01:15] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, lemme see...
[01:15] <Hackmo> Dr_Willis: it worked for me in warty but now that i'm using hoary i'm having the problem
[01:15] <Pointwood> I would like to run convert (to resize some images) on an entire folder of images, how do I do that?
[01:15] <GnuKemist> Pointwood, type man convert
[01:15] <username> typing 'which doctor' gives no response
[01:16] <GnuKemist> Pointwood, it should say something
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> Pointwood,  with creative use of 'find' and/or 'xargs' is one way. also... if that progam dosent support wildcards
[01:16] <nis> odie5533: try looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info under the program's name.  Use the .list file.
[01:16] <Pointwood> GnuKemist: I couldn't find anything in the manual
[01:16] <andril> hello all
[01:16] <GnuKemist> Pointwood, hummm
[01:16] <username> has anyone managed to get multisync to actually work with a PocketPC?
[01:17] <andril> I need some help with sharing folders in Ubuntu "Hoary"
[01:17] <Hackmo> Dr_willis: does that site have any flash, javascript or anything that would need an additional plugin?
[01:17] <GnuKemist> Pointwood, follow Dr_Willis' advice for a quick solution then
[01:17] <PacoBCN> GnuKemist, I found an interesting list: http://www.icewalkers.com/opd/Computers/Multimedia/Music_and_Audio/Software/Collection_Catalogers/
[01:17] <apokryphos> odie5533: again, it totally depends on the program being installed. For example, kde stuff goes into the specified KDEDIR directory
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  it has a flash ad at the top it looks like. (i got it ddisabled) :P
[01:18] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, I remember the program was written in .NET so I'm browsing http://gnomefiles.org/ for it
[01:18] <Hackmo> Dr_Willis:hm, it might be the flash applet I installed i'll try uninstalling that and seing how it works, thanks
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  i use that firefox extension that disables flash also. :P
[01:18] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, check gtkPod
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  and that 'adkiller' extension.
[01:19] <mfraase> help please... there's a command that displays the server ports currently in use; can someone post it?
[01:19] <nis> mfraase: netstat
[01:19] <PacoBCN> GnuKemist, having a look now, thx
[01:19] <GnuKemist> mfraase, is it netstat?
[01:19] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, good luck... and let me know... I'd be interested too  ;)
[01:19] <odie5533> Is there a move command for the terminal?
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> mv
[01:20] <PacoBCN> now what I need. I have many audio cds too and that won't support it
[01:20] <mfraase> not what I was thinking of... seemed like it used grep for part of it.
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> doh
[01:20] <GnuKemist> odie5533, as in move file to a diferent folder?
[01:20] <odie5533> yes, mv I got it
[01:20] <PacoBCN> I need something that will add to the db my local mp3, cd's mp3, audio cd, etc
[01:20] <GnuKemist> DoppelGanger, easy does it
[01:20] <username> I've got multisync installed, the 'synce-plugin' installed, but it says 'Plugin missing' under the status column.
[01:20] <PacoBCN> it all in a db
[01:20] <thully> Hi - I installed the c/c++ compilers (apt-get install build-essential) and tried to compile something rather simple, and it gave some errors about assert.  The same builds fine on Fedora Core 3.  How do I fix this?
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> blow me
[01:20] <bung__> netstat -l -p ?
[01:20] <andril> any help with sharing folders through my network
[01:21] <apokryphos> andril: ubuntuguide.org
[01:21] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, any ops around?
[01:21] <mfraase> Ok, let's try this a little differently. I need a list of what programs/servers are running on what ports
[01:21] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: there are probably a few, but haven't given themselves the power at the mo. Why?
[01:21] <bung__> netstat -l -p as root does that
[01:21] <Dr_Willis> mfraase,  'nmap' can tell ya a lot of that stuff. with a scan.
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> :P
[01:22] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, just as a reference if someone like DoppelGanger gives someone else trouble
[01:23] <apokryphos> ok
[01:23] <nis> bbl. nice meeting everyone. cya.
[01:23] <blahrus> anyone had any luck with hoary and unrar w/fileroller?
[01:23] <jdub> mfraase: netstat -ltun
[01:23] <GnuKemist> nis, later
[01:23] <Fackamato> not me
[01:23] <Fackamato> blahrus: seems broken
[01:23] <nis> cya GnuKemist
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> rar is sooo... annoying in ways :P lol
[01:23] <Fackamato> It doesn't matter what unrar you use, the archives doesn't support it
[01:23] <mfraase> That got it. Thanks.
[01:23] <blahrus> Fackamato: yea I can't get it to work via the command line
[01:23] <username> multisync seems to do nothing but crash every time
[01:23] <Fackamato> it works just fine via the command line
[01:23] <Fackamato> apt-get install unrar
[01:23] <Fackamato> or
[01:23] <Fackamato> apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[01:24] <blahrus> i have unrar
[01:24] <PacoBCN> GnuKemist, http://domo.sourceforge.net/index2.html
[01:25] <andril> apokryphos: I tried this but it doesn't seem to work in Hoary
[01:25] <andril> any one else willing to help
[01:25] <Stuttergart> I'm doing a remote bootstrap of a hoary system from a hoary system installed on what will eventually be the swap.
[01:25] <Stuttergart> using debootstrap
[01:25] <apokryphos> andril: remind me again of what you're talking about :)
[01:25] <andril> np
[01:26] <andril> I am trying to share my folder on the network
[01:26] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, I have been using Musik Cube under windows for the same purpose... and it supports ogg ripping out of the box too
[01:26] <apokryphos> andril: of other Linux computers or Windoze too?
[01:26] <PacoBCN> cool
[01:27] <PacoBCN> not enough to switch to Windows though :)
[01:27] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, the community behind it is very cool too
[01:27] <odie5533> Is it just me or is Eclipse really really slow
[01:27] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, hehehe
[01:27] <Fackamato> blahrus: don't message me, it's an insult to do so
[01:27] <Fackamato> this isn't quakenet
[01:27] <Stuttergart> the "new" system has a /dev/sda3 for /boot
[01:27] <Stuttergart> but /root is on an LVM volumes
[01:27] <Stuttergart> Just wondering what the fstab needs to look like for that?
[01:27] <Stuttergart> If the volume groups is "system"
[01:27] <Stuttergart> /dev/mapper/system-home?
[01:27] <Fackamato> and use unrar-nonfree then
[01:27] <Stuttergart> Did anyone get all of that? My connx dropped just as I was hitting enter.
[01:27] <andril> right now one can be seen on the network - but I cannot share a drive "linux"
[01:27] <blahrus> Fackamato: fine, what repo is non-free in
[01:28] <GnuKemist> odie5533, I have found (not wanting to offend any java programmers out here) java apps to be very slow no matter what
[01:28] <Fackamato> doesn't matter if you use all repos
[01:28] <thoreauputic> blahrus: multiverse
[01:28] <blahrus> thank you thoreauputic
[01:28] <odie5533> Eclipse is made in java?
[01:28] <GnuKemist> odie5533, I believe it is
[01:28] <odie5533> Dear god no wonder
[01:28] <GnuKemist> someone correct me if I'm wrong
[01:28] <PacoBCN> time to make some coffe with milk, I'll preper some liters for you all 391 guys :)
[01:29] <GnuKemist> PacoBCN, little sugar please
[01:29] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: double strength black for me, thank you :)
[01:29] <odie5533> I'm a java programmer, but java is the slowest language I've delt with aside from a special made high level pascal language... but thats different
[01:29] <bung__> odie5533: take it you know about java -server for heavy stuff?
[01:30] <odie5533> I don't see why someone would write an IDE in java, let alone write anything
[01:30] <odie5533> Nah, I am not familiar with that sorry
[01:30] <GnuKemist> odie5533, a friend of mine was developing a pretty cool app for work but had to drop it and start over with VB for it was taking wayyyy to long
[01:30] <PacoBCN> java is cool only for porn live show applets
[01:30] <odie5533> I went to linux for fast IDE's, not eclipse :D
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> for emacs! :P
[01:30] <odie5533> I'll have to try something else
[01:30] <odie5533> emacs any good?
[01:30] <bung__> vim++
[01:30] <mfraase> More help needed: I need to *completely* uninstall a package and its dependencies and reinstall it/them. When I uninstall from synaptic all appears to go well, but when I reinstall I'm getting: [package]  failed to preconfigure, with exit status 23
[01:30] <GnuKemist> odie5533, most if not all of Oracle's apps are written in java
[01:30] <apokryphos> odie5533: lot of good reports about it from those that use it
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. would ya all call emacs the 'original' ide ? :P
[01:31] <GnuKemist> brb
[01:31] <blahrus> Fackamato: non-free seems to work
[01:31] <Fackamato> blahrus: I know
[01:31] <Fackamato> but it still doesn't work with the archives
[01:31] <Fackamato> but it still doesn't work with the archiver
[01:31] <blahrus> Fackamato: wonder why thats broken all of a sudden
[01:32] <blahrus> wasn't before array 7
[01:32] <odie5533> Well I don't like emacs
[01:32] <odie5533> ;D
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> odie5533,  then use vi :P
[01:32] <odie5533> vi or vim?
[01:32] <EddieX> NEdit is a very nice editor :)
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> elVIs
[01:32] <bung__> I wish I could use IDEs
[01:32] <bung__> sadly I can't give up vim.
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> wine notepad.exe
[01:32] <apokryphos> kate.. wooo
[01:32] <thoreauputic> odie5533: vi is a symllink to vim, I would guess :)
[01:32] <odie5533> wine notepad sounds good
[01:33] <Fackamato> gedit is good
[01:33] <Fackamato> except it takes an hour to load
[01:33] <odie5533> hmm?
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> thoreauputic,  unlss you install kvim - then it breaks that  symlink.. or at least it used to.
[01:33] <odie5533> gedit loads in seconds for me
[01:33] <mfraase> More help needed: I need to *completely* uninstall a package and its dependencies and reinstall it/them. When I uninstall from synaptic all appears to go well, but when I reinstall (sudo apt-get install [package] ) I'm getting: [package]  failed to preconfigure, with exit status 23
[01:33] <apokryphos> odie5533: that's pretty long.
[01:34] <odie5533> lol I load it once a day so not for me
[01:34] <odie5533> I used UltraEdit on windows, load it once in the morning, and close it before bed ;)
[01:34] <apokryphos> ;)
[01:34] <odie5533> VIM has no gui...
[01:34] <bung__> gvim?
[01:34] <EddieX> gvim ?
[01:34] <apokryphos> kvim
[01:35] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[01:35] <thoreauputic> mfraase: try   sudo apt-get remove --purge <packagename>
[01:35] <GnuKemist> odie5533, take your pick
[01:35] <GnuKemist> ;)
[01:35] <odie5533> good idea
[01:35] <odie5533> I think I'll go with vim-gnome
[01:36] <bung__> don't do it man
[01:36] <odie5533> too late
[01:36] <GnuKemist> if I have to use GUI, I go with gedit
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> i like 'fte' myself
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> :P
[01:36] <bung__> before you know it you won't be able to use word
[01:36] <bung__> or notepad
[01:36] <GnuKemist> most of the time I use Vim or Nano
[01:36] <bung__> or ides
[01:36] <odie5533> I use nano for command line editing
[01:36] <odie5533> but... I don't do that unless I only have a command line ;D
[01:37] <odie5533> I used kate before
[01:37] <GnuKemist> I'm not a "power user" so either one does the trick for me
[01:37] <odie5533> it was nice
[01:37] <apokryphos> ;)
[01:37] <odie5533> but reminds me too much of KDE
[01:37] <apokryphos> odie5533: surely that's a plus. :D
[01:37] <odie5533> and the fileswitching was badly added in
[01:37] <odie5533> no... its a big minus
[01:37] <odie5533> enough to make me not use it
[01:37] <apokryphos> odie5533: there's a plugin for tabs now.
[01:37] <mfraase> thoreauputic: I get [package]  is not installed so not removed. But the config files or something are remaining which screws up the reinstall
[01:37] <GnuKemist> KDE is awsome but somehow I can't get myself to use it
[01:37] <apokryphos> odie5533: sorry to hear that. :)
[01:38] <GnuKemist> anyone from North New Jersey here tonight?
[01:38] <GnuKemist> guess not
[01:38] <GnuKemist> hehe
[01:39] <odie5533> well vim is bad too :(
[01:39] <bung__> odie5533: a judgement after how many seconds of use?
[01:39] <odie5533> 60
[01:39] <bung__> uhhuh
[01:39] <Elysium_> hi, how does one enable the trash can icon on the desktop?
[01:39] <odie5533> enough to write a java program and it didn't color my syntax and made it hard to type
[01:39] <prince> 
[01:40] <prince> :
[01:40] <odie5533> I am picky, sorry
[01:40] <bung__> :set syntax=on
[01:40] <prince> err
[01:40] <GnuKemist> Elysium_, I think that's posted in the wiki
[01:40] <odie5533> I could do that
[01:40] <Elysium_> GnuKemist, thanks
[01:40] <odie5533> or I could do sudo apt-get remove vim-gnome
[01:40] <GnuKemist> Elysium_, no problem
[01:40] <odie5533> both work ;
[01:40] <prince> :=/
[01:40] <bung__> actually, the ubuntu defaults for vim are kinda crappy
[01:40] <Elysium_> vi /etc/vim/vimrc .. uncommend the syntax on line
[01:40] <Elysium_> that turns on syntax for all users
[01:41] <GnuKemist> odie5533, in theory you should be able to run JDeveloper under Linux
[01:41] <Elysium_> uncomment*
[01:41] <mfraase> Can someone tell me where downloaded packages are stored in the filesystem pending installation?
[01:41] <prince> How do I add games like freeciv, and programs like mythtv and tvtime?
[01:41] <GnuKemist> Elysium_, thanks for the tip... very usefull
[01:41] <bung__> Elysium_: any idea how to make it remember where you were last editing a file?
[01:41] <odie5533> hmm... no good ide's...
[01:42] <teratorn> anyone know how to install pygtk for python2.2?
[01:42] <Dr_Aevil> mfraase: hmm, in debian it's /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:42] <DarthFrog> mfraase: And in Ubuntu, too.
[01:42] <Pointwood> GnuKemist: how do I feed the convert command with two options through xargs? I would like to do something like this: find i* | xargs convert -resize 1600x1200 "inputfile" "outputfile"
[01:42] <andril> hello all
[01:42] <mfraase> thanks
[01:42] <apokryphos> Pointwood: you can use -exec instead
[01:42] <DarthFrog> Pointwood: Just like that.
[01:42] <GnuKemist> Pointwood, sounded good to me
[01:43] <andril> can someone help with sharing folders in Hoary
[01:43] <prince> How do I add games like freeciv, and programs like mythtv and tvtime?
[01:43] <apokryphos> with {} {};
[01:43] <Strata> ubuntu noob question: I' want to boot the intall to use buslogic SCSI controller, the instructions say to use "linux buslogic=iobase", what exactly does "iobase" refer to?
[01:43] <DarthFrog> prince: Use Synaptic.
[01:43] <DoppelGanger> prince: ask 50 more times
[01:43] <prince> k
[01:43] <thoreauputic> prince: we saw your first post - patience
[01:43] <Pointwood> apokryphos: not sure what you mean?
[01:43] <GnuKemist> andril, windows or linux only?
[01:43] <prince> okay
[01:43] <apokryphos> Pointwood: you want to do some imagemagick image manipulation to all images in a folder, right?
[01:44] <Pointwood> yes
[01:44] <andril> with linux first
[01:44] <andril> I can see the pc on the network - just can't share folders
[01:44] <apokryphos> Pointwood: then, as an example: find -iname "*.jpg" -exec convert -quality 85 -resize 47% -quality 75 {} {} \;
[01:44] <Pointwood> ahh...k
[01:44] <GnuKemist> have you tried creating a connection through ssh using Places -> Connect to Server?
[01:44] <apokryphos> Pointwood: cancel the last -quality 75
[01:45] <DoppelGanger> ha ha gui ssh
[01:45] <GnuKemist> ;)
[01:45] <DarthFrog> prince: Start Synaptic.  Use Settings/Repositories to enable the universe and multiverse repositories.  Then Reload.  use Search to find the stuff you want.
[01:45] <apokryphos> Pointwood: be careful with it though :P
[01:45] <ziggity> hi
[01:45] <Pointwood> apokryphos: I got backups of the images
[01:46] <kb> has anybody here tried ipodder on linux? i'm having some trouble getting it to play the downloaded files
[01:46] <prince> DarthFrog, do I need to change sourcs to get those programs, as they are not found in the ubuntu update manager or synaptic?
[01:46] <apokryphos> Pointwood: Cool; that should work fine then. No need to lose image names, neither.
[01:46] <DarthFrog> prince: Follow the instructions I just gave you.
[01:46] <DoppelGanger> prince: rtfm
[01:46] <apokryphos> Pointwood: you can do a lot of pretty cool stuff like that with krename, btw; just as a note.
[01:46] <andril> yep
[01:46] <Pointwood> k
[01:46] <kwortman> I just dist-upgraded my nautilus and now it is totally screwed up, is anyone else having that problem?
[01:47] <BSDskin> if i could get xorg to load, I might
[01:47] <BSDskin> lol
[01:47] <keffo> kwortman, whats screwed
[01:47] <mjr> kwortman, if you upgraded while it was running, you might want to kill it so it restarts
[01:47] <odie5533> There any other ok IDE's worth checking out?
[01:47] <ziggity> anyone use Eclipse on ubuntu>
[01:47] <kwortman> I've restarted the session
[01:47] <kwortman> 2 problems
[01:47] <prince> DoppelGanger, get lost
[01:48] <odie5533> ziggity I am using it right now
[01:48] <kb> my ipodder says it can't detect an audio player and therefore can't invoke it after downloading podcasts... does anybody know how i can set it up for xine or something?
[01:48] <odie5533> very, very slow
[01:48] <kwortman> nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus-private.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:48] <DarthFrog> prince: No personal abuse, please.
[01:48] <GnuKemist> odie5533, hehe
[01:48] <odie5533> so mean....
[01:48] <ziggity> odie5533 :: what version of Ubuntu? can u install from synaptic?
[01:48] <DoppelGanger> prince: ask the question again
[01:48] <prince> DarthFrog, not a problem if DoppelGanger deosn't swear and stop being a newbie basher
[01:48] <odie5533> No, you can't install with Synaptic, but it's quite easy to do
[01:48] <DarthFrog> DoppelGanger: Leave it alone, please.
[01:48] <odie5533> Hoary
[01:48] <DoppelGanger> fine
[01:49] <kwortman> also if I try removing the deb to reinstall, it fails due to some schema file being corrupt
[01:49] <ziggity> odie5533 : I'm on warty will it install
[01:49] <andril> yep havin problems just sharing a folder
[01:49] <odie5533> I have no idea, probably though
[01:49] <Strata> I'm trying to run an ubuntu install on a machine with a buslogic SCSI controller, the boot option page says to use "linux buslogic=iobase", what does "iobase refer to?
[01:49] <Pointwood> apokryphos: I'm getting " find: missing argument to `-exec' " on this: find -iname "img_000*.jpg" -exec convert -resize 1600x1200 {} {}
[01:49] <DarthFrog> Strata: Google for it.
[01:49] <prince> DarthFrog, btw I had to scroll back, I still have to adjust the colours of xchat which is why I missed your instructions! :)
[01:49] <ziggity> odie5533 How to install??
[01:50] <apokryphos> Pointwood: did you include the semi-colon at the end?
[01:50] <DarthFrog> prince: :-)  Been there, done that.
[01:50] <kb> has nobody here used ipodder on linux?
[01:50] <Strata> I did Google, always do.  It just comes up with a .txt of the instructions.  Sorry to bother.
[01:50] <GnuKemist> kb, sorry... afraid not
[01:50] <odie5533> Download it: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk.zip
[01:50] <Pointwood> oh
[01:50] <apokryphos> Pointwood: and the backslash :)
[01:50] <kwortman> "/usr/share/gconf/schemas/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas" appears to be full of garbage
[01:50] <Pointwood> apokryphos: what does \; do?
[01:50] <kb> ihh... it's a small configuration thing... i just don't know how to do it... :)
[01:51] <odie5533> ziggity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
[01:51] <GnuKemist> well, it is time for my shower... yes, sometimes I do take a shower
[01:51] <GnuKemist> good night to all
[01:51] <DarthFrog> Strata: Its just that repetitious questions are annoying.  If someone knew the answer to your question, they'd respond.
[01:51] <apokryphos> Pointwood: I actually don't remember. Bash syntax
[01:51] <Pointwood> k
[01:51] <ziggity> cheers odie5533 ;-) what do U do ?
[01:51] <odie5533> Excuse me?
[01:52] <lrojas> i need emergency help
[01:52] <Strata> OK, thanks DF, I'll search elsewhere.
[01:52] <helio7> I'm trying to do my part to spread Ubuntu by keeping bittorrents of all the ISOs up and running.  I noticed that the latest ISOs under hoary all have http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ "preview" as a part of their name... I still have a few older Hoary ISO torrents that don't have "preview" as a part of their name, that probably means they are older right?  yet people are still DLing them, but I don't think the official site is 
[01:52] <DarthFrog> Strata: You might have better luck on #Linux.
[01:52] <Strata> Many thanks.
[01:52] <DarthFrog> Strata: Or read the source code to the driver.
[01:52] <lrojas> for the love of god
[01:53] <lrojas> :(
[01:53] <Strata> I'm not a Linux noob, just new to Ubuntu.
[01:53] <lrojas> my Xserver went bye-bye
[01:53] <BSDskin> epidemic
[01:53] <BSDskin> lol
[01:53] <Strata> Good idea.  That gives me a starting place.
[01:53] <lrojas> i am doing this from the console, please any kind soul that can help me reestablish my gui?
[01:54] <ziggity> can anyone here offer help with pricing out a software project?
[01:54] <DarthFrog> lrojas: Try "init 1" then "init"2.
[01:54] <^KrOmE^> lrojas, what DM are you using?
[01:54] <helio7> Irojas do you have any idea what changes were made that may have caused it to fail?
[01:54] <odie5533> Eclipse is the best I guess... I wish it was faster... =/
[01:54] <lrojas> gdm, and yes, it failed after i tried to configure it to use the nvidia drivers
[01:55] <DarthFrog> lrojas: Probably that should have been "sudo init 1" then Control-D when asked.
[01:55] <^KrOmE^> Ah
[01:55] <DarthFrog> lrojas: Ah.  Then undo your changes. :-)
[01:55] <BSDskin> my xorg crapped out after the latest update
[01:55] <blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
[01:55] <BSDskin> wonder if there's a way to downgrade
[01:55] <^KrOmE^> lrojas, undo whatever you did
[01:55] <DarthFrog> lrojas: You did  make a backup, didn't you? :-)
[01:55] <kwortman> BSDskin: downgrades don't really figure into the APT way of doing things
[01:55] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: and then check the doco for installing NVIDIA drivers
[01:55] <BSDskin> kinda figured that
[01:55] <BSDskin> lol
[01:56] <lrojas> i cant, i followed a command on the wiki, sudo dpkg-config xserver-xorg
[01:56] <lrojas> it didnt make a backup
[01:56] <kwortman> hey so no one else's nautilus croaked after a dist-upgrade today?
[01:56] <prince> question, what's the best way to make the bttv driver set the tuner type to 2 in ubuntu?
[01:56] <BSDskin> if I could see nautilus, I'd let you know
[01:56] <BSDskin> lol
[01:56] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: You may need to set your display driver in your X config file
[01:57] <DarthFrog> lrojas: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the line "Driver" "nvidia" to "nv".
[01:57] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Back from the NVIDIA driver
[01:57] <^KrOmE^> Or
[01:57] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Run dpkg-config again
[01:57] <kwortman> BSDskin: how is it broken?
[01:57] <lrojas> :(
[01:57] <odie5533> Is there a good Gnome cd burning software?
[01:57] <lrojas> this is a mess
[01:57] <kwortman> odie: nope
[01:57] <odie5533> Ah K3b it is then...
[01:57] <BSDskin> kwortman: after the upgrade a few days ago, it stopped loading
[01:57] <kwortman> odie: there are a few things which will probably be nice "soon"
[01:57] <lrojas> all i wanted was to run the nvidia drivers with hoary
[01:57] <jintxo> prince, you probably have to pass an option to the kernel module when you load it
[01:57] <lrojas> *sigh*
[01:57] <blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
[01:58] <blahrus> odie5533: graveman
[01:58] <BSDskin> kwortman: I've tried just about everything short of removing xorg, deleting the packages, and trying to re-download them
[01:58] <^KrOmE^> lrojas, there is a much simpler way
[01:58] <kwortman> BSDskin: did you look at the error logs?
[01:58] <prince> jintxo, okay so is it a module or is it part of the kernel, just make sure as you did say module?
[01:58] <odie5533> That for all cd burning or just audio?
[01:58] <Lightboy> hey i am running an amd64 kernel of ubuntu and when i try install cedega from a .deb i get the following error  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:58] <lrojas> wich is?
[01:58] <prince> jintxo, and which file do I use modules.conf?
[01:59] <BSDskin> kwortman: definitely.  there's absolutely nothing useful.  it quits with a signal 11 and gives a blue screen saying it can't load...and it locks the keyboard
[01:59] <lrojas> ^KrOmE^: ?
[01:59] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:59] <jintxo> prince for me it's a module. I'm not using the standard ubuntu kernel, but I would imagine it's compiled as module in the standard kernel
[01:59] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Well, the problem is obvious, isn't it? :-)
[01:59] <kwortman> BSDskin: that's bad.  which driver?
[01:59] <BSDskin> kwortman: ati
[01:59] <prince> jintxo, well let me check
[01:59] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: wrong architechture right
[01:59] <eleet> i installed Hoary and i get this error after i did "apt-get dist-upgrade"  --> unable to write <file>; read only filesystem
[02:00] <kwortman> BSDskin: weird, ati has always been solid for me
[02:00] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: You need support from Transgaming, not us.
[02:00] <BSDskin> kwortman:  same here
[02:00] <eleet> so a wiki told me to drop into a shell and run fsck, but i dont know how to get to a hsell
[02:00] <jintxo> prince, yes you have to have the option in modules.conf but the way of putting it htere is not editing the file directly. but creating a file in /etc/modutils/ with the line "option bttv card=X" (or something like that) and then run "update-modules"
[02:00] <BSDskin> kwortman:  I've updated, upgraded, dist-upgraded, and reconfigured....no avail
[02:00] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: so should i just email em or post on the forum
[02:00] <^KrOmE^> eleet: Ctrl+Alt+F2
[02:00] <DarthFrog> eleet: Reboot.
[02:00] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Your call.
[02:00] <^KrOmE^> eleet: Then /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:00] <Askew> to get propietary codecs like wmv9 in totem, all you do is add the file to the folder that opens up when you click the "add propietary plugins" button in the prefs for toem, right?
[02:01] <^KrOmE^> eleet: Do whatever, then /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:01] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: cheers. also im having some trouble getting gstreamer to play mp3's
[02:01] <kwortman> BSDskin: I assume you've rebooted too
[02:01] <^KrOmE^> eleet: /etc/init.d/gdm start sorry
[02:01] <BSDskin> kwortman: many times, yes
[02:01] <ziggity> can anyone here offer help with pricing out a software project?
[02:01] <prince> jintxo, k I'll do that as root
[02:01] <kwortman> BSDskin: ugh
[02:01] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Have you installed the gstreamer-mad package?
[02:01] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: i have tried to install the mad plugin but it wont download
[02:01] <eleet> man, how do you learn all about linux ?
[02:01] <kwortman> BSDskin: yeah all I can think of is deinstalling/reinstalling all of X
[02:01] <BSDskin> kwortman:  i'm not really complaining, though.  it's the first time I've had any trouble at all with ubuntu
[02:01] <kwortman> BSDskin: in case some important file is broken
[02:01] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: i get a 404 not found but im sure the url is correct
[02:01] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: How did you try?
[02:02] <lrojas> quit
[02:02] <eleet> i'm a windows technician and most of this is foreign to me
[02:02] <eleet> lol
[02:02] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: i used the package manager
[02:02] <DarthFrog> eleet: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
[02:02] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Did you do an update first?
[02:02] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: yup
[02:03] <Elysium_> anyone here notice the fglrx modules that come with ubuntu are much slower than the ATI fglrx drivers?? according to the apt description the modules are compile from what ati provides though.. this makes no sense
[02:03] <eleet> ^KrOmE^ - i stopped gdm, but when i run fsck i get a warning that running e2fsck on a mounted fs may cause SEVERE fs damange
[02:03] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Check your sources against http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:04] <^KrOmE^> eleet: How critical is your system?
[02:04] <kwortman> eleet: yeah don't do that
[02:04] <Strata> Darth: My solution (still no idea what iobase is exactly), go to a console mid-install and modprobe BusLogic.  Ubuntu sees all of my drives now.  Thanks for the responses.
[02:04] <blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
[02:04] <DarthFrog> Elysium_: Did you get direct rendering enabled?
[02:04] <eleet> ^KrOmE^ - i dont know, lol
[02:04] <lrojas> ^KrOmE^, excuse me
[02:04] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Yep?
[02:04] <Elysium_> DarthFrog, I disabled DRI and replaced "ati" in x config file with "fglrx". I also load the fglrx module and when I lsmod it's properly loaded
[02:05] <DarthFrog> Elysium_:  Run "flgrxinfo" and see if you have direct rendering.
[02:05] <lrojas> i changed nvidia to nv, and now it works... but the instructions in binarydrivershowto, just tell me to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from nv to nvidia
[02:05] <Elysium_> let me restart x real quick
[02:06] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: If it works, that's a start.
[02:06] <eleet> so how do i go about fixing my system ?
[02:06] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: At least you now have a working system...backup you config file
[02:06] <prince> brb
[02:06] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: And then you can start again
[02:06] <DarthFrog> lrojas: nv is the open source driver.  nvidia is the proprietary one.
[02:06] <eleet> should i pop in knoppix, chroot into ubuntu and then fsck ?
[02:07] <lrojas> how about i open a ssh session then you can log in and check if it is working?
[02:07] <lrojas> or fix whatever is it need fixing
[02:07] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: I'm not going to be able to tell a whole lot via terminal
[02:07] <Elysium_> when I do fglrxinfo I still get the Mesa GLX
[02:07] <lrojas> *sigh*
[02:07] <Elysium_> sigh
[02:07] <^KrOmE^> eleet: Give it a crack, but heed the warnings
[02:07] <lrojas> is it because i got hoary installeed isnt it
[02:08] <WW> OK everyone, group sigh...
[02:08] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: That's what I'm running
[02:08] <lrojas> with nvidia?
[02:08] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: I didn't have to edit my config file manually at all
[02:08] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Yep
[02:08] <lrojas> can i see your xorg.conf ?
[02:08] <DarthFrog> Elysium_:  That's software rendering.  Nuisance.  I get the same thing.
[02:08] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: I just followed the instructions at that link for the Nvidia gear
[02:08] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Hang on
[02:08] <Elysium_> DarthFrog, do you know how to get rid of mesa?
[02:08] <eleet> ya, i'm getting that /boot is readonly
[02:09] <DarthFrog> Elysium_: and I'm running the latest drivers from ATI, not the Ubuntu one.s
[02:09] <eleet> what if i just change the setting in fstab ?  (but i forget where that config file is)
[02:09] <DarthFrog> Elysium_: I banged my head against that one for most of yesterday afternoon. :-(
[02:09] <lrojas> Elysium_, you might wanna ask Dr. Freeman about that
[02:09] <Elysium_> DarthFrog, fantastic :(
[02:09] <DarthFrog> Elysium_: And all I achieved was a sore head.
[02:09] <ObsidianB> hey has the ubuntu installer gotten past the problem where it could only install on the first partition?
[02:10] <Elysium_> lrojas, Dr. Freeman??
[02:10] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: I can, but I can't guarantee it'll work for you.
[02:10] <blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
[02:10] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Do you want to PM me your email?
[02:10] <DarthFrog> ObsidianB: I had no problem installing on a second drive.
[02:10] <lrojas> is cool let me look it up
[02:10] <lrojas> sure...
[02:10] <ObsidianB> not second drive, second partition
[02:10] <ObsidianB> it (in the past) would only grab the first partiion of the drive
[02:11] <ObsidianB> even when i used mknod to force creation of the other partitions it still produced errors
[02:11] <lrojas> Elysium_, sorry bad joke, Dr. Freeman is the hero in Half Life, he escapes from the Black Mesa Facility
[02:11] <ObsidianB> lrojas: heh
[02:12] <Elysium_> lrojas, I did know that Freeman, but i didn't remember Mesa
[02:12] <Elysium_> it's quite clever .. good joke
[02:12] <andril> how do I chagnge the permission on a folder?
[02:12] <DarthFrog> andril: Use the chmod command.
[02:12] <ObsidianB> DarthFrog: any ideas?
[02:13] <DarthFrog> ObsidianB: I installed upon /dev/hdc4.  No problems.
[02:13] <ObsidianB> well i hope the hoary CD works then
[02:13] <andril> I a lil help
[02:13] <Elysium_> DarthFrog, here is the solution: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:14] <Elysium_> it says the nvidia module there is causing this "issue" where Mesa is loaded instead of fglrx opengl
[02:14] <Elysium_> so removing it should fix the problem
[02:14] <deadcat> how would i compile the orinico_usb driver for hoary? i cant apt-get install the kernel-headers for this kernel.
[02:14] <lrojas> that is not updated for hoary i think, is intended for warty
[02:15] <jaket__> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL
[02:15] <jaket__> :D
[02:15] <ObsidianB> oooh i just read that kde 3.4 is the only choice in hoary... very nice
[02:15] <lrojas> yo hablo espano;
[02:15] <jaket__> eee
[02:15] <jaket__> :D
[02:15] <ObsidianB> heh
[02:15] <andril> DarthFrog: can you give me an example?
[02:15] <jaket__> sabes algo de ubuntu =)
[02:15] <lrojas> no mucho, apenas estoy comenzando, vengo de FC3
[02:16] <ObsidianB> je parle francois
[02:16] <ObsidianB> :D
[02:16] <jaket__> pero sabes si ubuntu trae algun programa para grabar cd's ?
[02:16] <lrojas> claro, K3b
[02:16] <jaket__> i esta instalado ?
[02:16] <jaket__> :S
[02:16] <lrojas> si
[02:16] <DarthFrog> andril: What are you trying to do?
[02:16] <jaket__> ahy ke usar el synp nose cuanto ?
[02:16] <jaket__> xD
[02:16] <lrojas> ^KrOmE^, did you sent the mail?
[02:16] <pinPoint> i got a netgear pcmcia card and ubuntu detected it at once but i cant DHCP to my router with ssid off and wep
[02:17] <pinPoint> anyone have any ideas
[02:17] <DarthFrog> ObsidianB: I've done all that.  And I have an Nforce2 board.
[02:17] <deadcat> pinPoint: you mean WEP off?
[02:17] <pinPoint> deadcat: wep is on
[02:18] <pinPoint> ssid broadcast is off
[02:18] <deadcat> pinPoint: iwconfig show the Access Point MAC? or just 44:44:44:44:44 or FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF ?
[02:18] <Dillweed> pinPoint, i think you need ssid on and wep off
[02:18] <deadcat> Dillweed: no. either way should work
[02:18] <Elysium_> DarthFrog, did you add Option "UseInternalAGPGART?" "no" to xorg.conf ?
[02:18] <Dillweed> is the router broadcasting?
[02:18] <pinPoint> Dillweed: wow, and my home network...
[02:18] <pinPoint> No
[02:18] <Dillweed> or the card.
[02:18] <ObsidianB> ObsidianB: i've got a via board
[02:19] <deadcat> so no one know how to compile a module using the default haory kernel?
[02:19] <Dillweed> ah never mind got it mixed up. :)
[02:19] <eleet> as long as you have the SSID name set correctly it should be ok
[02:19] <^KrOmE^> lrojas: Done
[02:19] <eleet> unless ubuntu is like XP and it breaks WEP
[02:19] <pinPoint> deadcat: use mac address restriction
[02:19] <pinPoint> is that better
[02:19] <pe7er> hmm.... anybody with packaging knowledge: how do i replace a package using dpkg? like, i have liblame4 installed but some tool relies on me having installed a package called liblame4_4.0-1? i can't uninstall using apt-get as that would break other packages dependencies, however, dpkg can't upgrade installed packages, can't it? what am i supposed to do? forget that tool?
[02:19] <Dillweed> are you using ndiswrapper?
[02:19] <pinPoint> than wep
[02:19] <pinPoint> Dillweed: nope, just booted the lappy with the new card in
[02:20] <pinPoint> it picked it up as ath0
[02:20] <andril> DarthFrog: I am trying to delete a folder that I created via sudo
[02:20] <deadcat> pinPoint: they all suck. WPA would be better. MAC is so easy to fake. and WEP can be crack in 2 sec with 1/2 mill packets
[02:20] <Dillweed> what does iwconfig ath0 do?
[02:20] <DarthFrog> andril: delete it using sudo.
[02:20] <pinPoint> deadcat: what options do i have?
[02:20] <pinPoint> hold up
[02:20] <deadcat> Dillweed: shows the info of the card
[02:20] <andril> cool all I need is an example - please
[02:20] <DarthFrog> andril: sudo rmdir (directory)
[02:20] <goldfish_> andril: sudo rm -rf name
[02:21] <Dillweed> well i know, but is it working or not... is the question.
[02:21] <deadcat> pinPoint: i only use WEP for my network. safe enough.
[02:21] <pinPoint> shows info
[02:21] <DarthFrog> goldfish_: Though shalt not tell newbies about rm -rf.
[02:21] <Dillweed> does ubuntu use dhclient or dhcpd?
[02:21] <Dillweed> or whatever.
[02:21] <goldfish_> DarthFrog: hehe, i am a newbie :)
[02:21] <deadcat> pinPoint: does iwconfig shows that you are connected to the AP? the Access Point: MAC
[02:21] <goldfish_> sometimes rmdir doesnt work for me
[02:21] <andril> cool
[02:21] <goldfish_> well, if it's empty i think
[02:21] <deadcat> goldfish_: cus you got shits in the dir
[02:21] <goldfish_> ah right
[02:21] <pinPoint> yeah, it does, i just enabled broadcasting
[02:22] <goldfish_> thanks
[02:22] <andril> do you have a link for sudo commands
[02:22] <DarthFrog> goldfish_: You will be reinstalling at some point if you use "sudo rm -rf".  I guarantee it.
[02:22] <pinPoint> but it wont connect either
[02:22] <goldfish_> DarthFrog: kk
[02:22] <goldfish_> apologies
[02:22] <prince> anyone know how to check and see if modules-update is working?
[02:22] <deadcat> pinPoint: route shows the table?
[02:22] <prince> err
[02:22] <prince> I mean update-modules
[02:22] <DarthFrog> goldfish_: :-)
[02:22] <blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
[02:22] <deadcat> prince: load a module.
[02:22] <andril> DeathFrog: much thanks
[02:22] <pinPoint> ya
[02:23] <deadcat> pinPoint: then ping a lan ip
[02:23] <Dillweed> anyone know why ubuntu gets 2000fps in glxgears than other distros using the nvidia module?  (I know that glxgears isn't for benchmarking :)
[02:23] <DarthFrog> andril: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/  will have what you want.
[02:23] <Dillweed> 2000fps less .
[02:23] <Fackamato> Dillweed: has nothing to do with ubuntu
[02:23] <pinPoint> network unreachable
[02:23] <Fackamato> Dillweed: what driver version and graphics card, what chipset on the mainboard, using agpgart or not
[02:24] <deadcat> pinPoint: but "route" shows the gateway?
[02:24] <deadcat> so no one know how to compile a module using the default haory kernel?
[02:24] <pinPoint> deadcat: its up
[02:24] <pinPoint> i can ping yahoo.com
[02:24] <rbaker> I cannot seem to properly setup apt-get
[02:24] <rbaker> can someone suggest a fast mirror to try?
[02:24] <deadcat> pinPoint: well hot dang.... no clue. (=
[02:25] <pinPoint> deadcat: with ssid broadcasting and using wep
[02:25] <prince> hmm I created a file in /etc/modutils/bttv and put options bttv card=63 tuner=2 in it, and it's still not setting it to tuner type 2, yet when I run update-modules it seems to not do anything when I look inside the file update-modules I see the command update-modules.modutils but that command don't seem to exists so I'm not sure whether it is working correctly, could someone take a moment and assist me with this?
[02:25] <deadcat> pinPoint: did you setup iwconfig ath0 essid any or essid <YOUR ESSID>?
[02:25] <pe7er> deadcat: me neitrher but i KNOW there is a howto at the wiki
[02:25] <pe7er> *neither
[02:25] <bob2> rbaker: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[02:26] <DarthFrog> goldfish_: The safe way to use it would be to use "sudo -s" to get a shell.  Then "cd (directory)" to move into the directory you want to delete.  Important: be in the directory!  Use "pwd" to confirm that.  Sit on your hands for a minute and think about what you are about to do. :-)  Then you can use "rm -rf *" to blow everything away in that directory.  Then "cd .." to move up one directory and "rmdir (directory)".  That'll do it safely
[02:26] <pinPoint> deadcat: i used the network-admin panel under Administration
[02:26] <Dillweed> Fackamato, i'm not using agggart, it is a geforce 6600gt and the driver is 6629 in both distros of linux
[02:26] <deadcat> pinPoint: oh.
[02:26] <deadcat> pe7er: can you link me?
[02:26] <DarthFrog> goldfish_: And safer still would to not use sudo unless you absolutely had to.
[02:26] <deadcat> pe7er: trying to compile orinoco_usb
[02:26] <goldfish_> DarthFrog: :) thanks
[02:26] <pe7er> deadcat: let me see
[02:27] <pe7er> deadcat: wifi driver installation?
[02:27] <deadcat> ya
[02:27] <prince> :/
[02:27] <pe7er> omg i scrapped that. but you may have better luck
[02:27] <deadcat> prince: try modprobe bttv tuner=2 see if that works or not
[02:28] <pinPoint> deadcat: it stalled without reason
[02:28] <Dillweed> Fackamato, oh btw my chipset is a via 266a
[02:28] <deadcat> pe7er: i just need to find the headers files for my `uname -r`
[02:28] <pinPoint> just stopped working
[02:28] <pinPoint> up again
[02:28] <deadcat> pinPoint: crappy network. (=
[02:29] <pe7er> deadcat: it was a such frustrating experience that i wiped all my remembers out of my head and branded it with a big shiny Z but i get that wikilink for you
[02:29] <prince> deadcat, dmesg is showing the tuner type as set to 2
[02:29] <deadcat> pe7er: thanks (=
[02:30] <pinPoint> deadcat: im not more than 2 feet away from AP
[02:30] <pinPoint> :)
[02:30] <deadcat> prince: i dont remeber where to put in /etc/ to load tuner=2 on startup. i usually just have a script to load my bttv module with options.
[02:31] <prince> hmm
[02:32] <mattgirv> Hi :)
[02:32] <Sero> Can anyone tell me what's good about Ubuntu?
[02:32] <deadcat> Sero: nothing. try #linux
[02:32] <rbaker> nothing
[02:32] <prince> very simple for former windowsxp usrs
[02:32] <prince> :>
[02:32] <mattgirv> It is a well thought out, and based upon Debian :) (which rocks)
[02:32] <mattgirv> :P
[02:33] <crimsun> Sero: would you rephrase that question?
[02:33] <ace2001ac> has anyone had trouble compiling gcc 3.4.3 on amd64
[02:33] <DarthFrog> Sero:  Have read at http://www.ubuntu.com
[02:33] <pe7er> pe7er: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto this should help. not KernelHowto but KernelCompileHowto
[02:33] <crimsun> ace2001ac: hoary has 3.4.4 prerelease
[02:33] <Sero> Yeah I went on Ubuntu.com it didn't say much.
[02:33] <pe7er> deadcat: btw, what chipset do you have?
[02:34] <crimsun> ace2001ac: any particular reason you're trying to compile 3.4.3?
[02:34] <deadcat> pe7er: orinoco
[02:34] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: i did what u said and it downloaded the plugin
[02:34] <Sero> Ok, can anyone tell me what's good about Ubuntu opposed to Debian?
[02:34] <pe7er> deadcat, ah, for me it was atmel
[02:34] <DarthFrog> Sero: Download the ISO of the LiveCD and give it a looksee.
[02:34] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Glad I was able to help. :-)
[02:34] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: now when rhythembox trys to add my mp3's it just crashes
[02:34] <deadcat> pe7er: acx100?
[02:34] <mjr> Sero, more recent stable, a bit more refined desktop
[02:34] <prince> deadcat, I think it's update-modules is nto working
[02:34] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: lol perhaps im thinkin a reboot is in order
[02:34] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Try reinstalling rhythmbox first.
[02:35] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: how? through package manager?
[02:35] <DarthFrog> Sero: It's a very good desktop Debian.
[02:35] <pinPoint> well, my wireless nic works
[02:35] <prince> anyokne know why update-modules is not working?
[02:35] <crimsun> Sero: timed release schedule (every 6 months), 18 months of support following each stable release, desktop-centric distro, focus on stabilised current software
[02:35] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Yes. Use Synaptic.
[02:35] <crimsun> prince: update-modules is deprecated for 2.6 and module-init-tools
[02:35] <prince> crimsun, what do i use?
[02:35] <deadcat> prince: its somewhere in /etc/modutils.d or /etc/modules.d
[02:35] <pe7er> deadcat, i don't know for sure. some old 10mbit chip build into a siemens usb device.
[02:36] <crimsun> prince: to accomplish what?
[02:36] <Sero> Ahah, okie, thanks guys.
[02:36] <DarthFrog> Sero: Documentation/support in many languages.
[02:36] <prince> to set modules options bttv card=63 tuner=2
[02:36] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i want to do some fooling around for a compiler class
[02:36] <ace2001ac> crimsun: so i need to compile it :)
[02:37] <lrojas> brb testing it
[02:37] <crimsun> prince: echo "options bttv card=63 tuner=2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/bttv
[02:38] <prince> k
[02:38] <deadcat> pe7er: i dont need to compile a new kernel. i just need the kernel-headers for the hoary kernel so i can compile a module.
[02:38] <pinPoint> what do you ppl think of hsftp
[02:38] <crimsun> ace2001ac: ok.  It will be beneficial to ,,apt-get source gcc-3.4'' then.
[02:38] <pinPoint> trying to install some ftp client
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> What's the best way to mirror a certain architecture to make a DVD for a friend who doesn't have a high-speed connection?
[02:38] <pe7er> deadcat, oh. apt-get kernel-headers ;)
[02:38] <deadcat> LeeJunFan: jigdo
[02:39] <deadcat> pe7er: not found
[02:39] <ace2001ac> crimsun: ah, so ubuntu has made afew changes, I see :)
[02:39] <crimsun> deadcat: do you have deb-src lines for hoary main restricted?
[02:39] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i'll do that then, thanks
[02:39] <deadcat> crimsun: let me check
[02:39] <prince> crimsun, ty it worked
[02:39] <deadcat> crimsun: ya
[02:39] <xbaez> hi
[02:39] <crimsun> deadcat: uname -r
[02:40] <pinPoint> my vlc plays audio out of sync
[02:40] <prince> 2.6.10-5-k7
[02:40] <prince> :)
[02:40] <pinPoint> why would that be?
[02:40] <crimsun> deadcat: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:40] <pe7er> deadcat: i get a list of available options and the message "You should explicitly select one to install."
[02:40] <pinPoint> starts out good then the audio gets left
[02:40] <deadcat> crimsun: ya. not found
[02:40] <tjs> is there any chance that postgresql 8 will be packaged for ubuntu? its been stable for a few months now
[02:40] <pe7er> crimsun: wow. :)
[02:40] <xbaez> if i want ubuntu stable, and i want upgrade to hoary just have to change sources.list and -dist-upgrade in apte-get ?
[02:40] <crimsun> deadcat: what is your ,,uname -r'' ?
[02:40] <deadcat> crimsun: linux-headers or kernel-headers?
[02:41] <crimsun> deadcat: linux-headers for ubuntu; kernel-headers for debian
[02:41] <deadcat> 2.6.10-4-686
[02:41] <deadcat> DOH(=
[02:41] <eleet> xbaez - yes
[02:41] <pe7er> xbaez: if you didn't install warty-backports: yes
[02:41] <deadcat> crimsun: there we go. (= linux-headers HAHAHAH
[02:42] <xbaez> ok thanks
[02:42] <pe7er> hmmm. how did those kernel-headers get into my apt?
[02:42] <crimsun> pe7er: they're in universe.
[02:42] <pinPoint> warning! you are about to install software that cant be authenticated???
[02:43] <pinPoint> what the heck is that ^^^
[02:43] <pe7er> ah. i rembered it confused me before, thanks for clearing that up, crimsun
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> pinPoint.... winxp/2k?
[02:43] <crimsun> pinPoint: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[02:43] <pe7er> pinPoint: ubuntu repositories come with gpg signatures
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> nvm
[02:43] <pinPoint> ^thehatsrule^: winxp???
[02:43] <pinPoint> are you out of your mind
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[02:43] <pinPoint> :P
[02:44] <^thehatsrule^> well thats what it always says
[02:44] <^thehatsrule^> when installing something
[02:44] <pinPoint> so i cant this software even though its in the repositories
[02:45] <^thehatsrule^> redownload?
[02:45] <crimsun> pinPoint: it's a warning; you can override it.
[02:45] <crimsun> pinPoint: please read the url I pasted
[02:45] <thoreauputic> pinPoint: won't stop you installing
[02:45] <pinPoint> crimsun: im getting to that
[02:45] <pinPoint> trying to get a second nick going
[02:45] <pinS> im here crimson
[02:45] <pinS> heheh
[02:46] <lrojas> hi, is there any special instructions for installing cedega in ubuntu?
[02:46] <crimsun> lrojas: nope, standard install.  sudo dpkg -i cedega....deb
[02:47] <pinPoint> what do you mean ....deb?
[02:47] <ahijah> i havn't tried it yet, but does cd burning work in horay? i don't want to waste a cd if it doesn't
[02:47] <crimsun> pinPoint: that means I don't know the precise filename
[02:47] <tjs> are there ubuntu versions of debial experimental packages?
[02:47] <pe7er> ahijah: fine
[02:47] <ahijah> ty
[02:47] <crimsun> tjs: sometimes.  If so, they'll be in universe.
[02:47] <tjs> okay cheers :)
[02:48] <lrojas> ok this standard install is odd, i was expecting apt-get install.. so i download the tarball as if for debian?
[02:48] <tjs> Im specifically hunting postgres 8
[02:48] <crimsun> lrojas: cedega is not distributed in an apt-gettable repo.
[02:48] <goldfish_> ls
[02:48] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[02:48] <lrojas> ok
[02:48] <crimsun> lrojas: you must download the deb manually and install it via dpkg
[02:48] <lrojas> ok
[02:48] <black_Nightmare> was wondering if any of you use livecd?
[02:49] <prince> the live cd is what encouraged me to do a live install
[02:49] <prince> :)
[02:49] <tjs> I gave my mum a livecd of warty :)
[02:49] <crimsun> tjs: Candidate: 7.4.7-2ubuntu2
[02:49] <tjs> crimsun, thats 8.0?
[02:50] <crimsun> tjs: not afaict
[02:50] <crimsun> tjs: at least according to the version
[02:50] <tjs> k
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> well I was wondering if I could like have a system with only a cdrom and usb media reader so run system from cd then save files/bookmarks to CF or something?
[02:50] <crimsun> tjs: and experimental only has 7.5.0
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> just curious.  strange sounding idea I know
[02:50] <tjs> oh
[02:50] <tjs> some guy on #postgresql said it was in debian experimental
[02:51] <crimsun> tjs: I don't know squat about postgre's versioning scheme, sorry
[02:51] <tjs> does ubuntu have a list of 'planned stuff to package soon' anywhere?
[02:51] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: could it be that all my mp3's are on a ntfs partition
[02:51] <crimsun> tjs: please see the "Ongoing merge" section at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
[02:52] <prince> hmm
[02:52] <mattgirv> black_Nightmare: Maybe one of the bootable CD's :) Knoppix, or whatever :)
[02:52] <DoppelGanger> oh god
[02:52] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: not so strange - i believe you've been able to do that with knoppix for a long time
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> matt....or I could just find one of these ide>CF adapter to treat it as an ide drive
[02:52] <tjs> crimsun, thanks :)
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> think that would work with ubuntu as well?
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> knoppix...hm whats their site now? heh
[02:53] <mattgirv> Knoppix, try that, you should be able to mount the CF disk, www.knoppix.org i think
[02:53] <pe7er> oh, crimsun, how do i replace a previously installed packe with a manually downloaded one? must be easy, but i don't know how. (yet)
[02:53] <pinS> could installed applications be added to the 'Applications' menu?
[02:53] <pe7er> *package
[02:53] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: used to be the best english site was knoppix.net - don't know now as I haven't been there for a while
[02:53] <crimsun> pe7er: just use dpkg directly
[02:54] <pe7er> crimsun: dpkg -i foo.deb?
[02:54] <lrojas> crimsun, are you running cedega on hoary ?
[02:54] <black_Nightmare> ty matt
[02:54] <crimsun> pe7er: yes
[02:54] <pe7er> crimsun: tried that. damn.
[02:54] <crimsun> lrojas: installed but haven't executed in quite some months
[02:54] <crimsun> pe7er: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb, of course
[02:54] <pe7er> crimsun: yeah, of course
[02:54] <lrojas> crimsun, but have you ran it under a 2.6 kernel?
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> hmm I would take it a live cd would be happy with huge amount of ram if in a hdless system mode?
[02:55] <crimsun> lrojas: yes, the newer versions supposed run fine.  Ask in #cedega if you have questions.
[02:55] <pe7er> crimsun: something must be wrong with that libfaad2 package, then
[02:55] <lrojas> crimsun, kay will do
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> outlaw...eh....where do you live??? lol (hint: look at mine ip as well)
[02:55] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: sure, but it will reading from a much slower atapi device, of course.
[02:55] <crimsun> will be reading, rather
[02:56] <Ubuntu_User> anyone there?
[02:56] <crimsun> pe7er: paste the error in #flood
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> crimsun...so both the distro's ram requirement *and* extra ram for any decompression needs
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> or am I getting something wrong?
[02:56] <outlaw> hello I would like to ask a question about an xorg problem (Montreal Canada)
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> montreal..ah.. just about 1.5hr far from me
[02:56] <Ubuntu_User> hello im am trying to run Ubuntu Live disc and it does not seem to boot Xinit and i cant get the GUI can anyone know why
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> outlaw.. I'm a bit north of hull -- not a long drive to ottawa downtown core
[02:57] <xbaez> eleet, just change hoary for warty ?
[02:57] <outlaw> nice place to live
[02:57] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: I'm unsure what you're asking regarding requirements
[02:57] <pe7er> crimsun: thanks, but i think i'll just google a bit more about it before i waste your precious time for debugging. people here need you :)
[02:58] <crimsun> pe7er: just paste in #flood :)
[02:58] <DarthFrog> pe7er: We like people like you. :-)  Welcome, welcome.
[02:58] <black_Nightmare> crimsun -- sorry I might have not asked it well..nevermind ;)
[02:58] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: just rephrase, please
[02:59] <black_Nightmare> crimsun - for a hdless system.  the ram needed would be like this: distro ram requirement + free ram for decompressed files from livecd = total amount of ram needed << or am I getting the wrong math?
[02:59] <outlaw> I would like to ask a queston about a keyboard mapping error using xorg on a non-Ubuntu distro but which is Debian based (MEPIS)
[02:59] <eleet> xbaez - i think you can, but to be sure if you scroll down (close to the end) of www.ubuntuguide.org  it tells you how to upgrade to hoary from warty
[02:59] <Ubuntu_User> hello im am trying to run Ubuntu Live disc and it does not seem to boot Xinit and i cant get the GUI can anyone know why
[02:59] <Ubuntu_User> hello im am trying to run Ubuntu Live disc and it does not seem to boot Xinit and i cant get the GUI can anyone know why
[02:59] <eleet> it's just a copy+paste
[03:00] <eleet> dont spam for one ;)
[03:00] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: well, it'd be kernel+decompressed filesystem, but yes, you have the basic idea correct
[03:00] <outlaw> I realize this is kind of rude but I'm desperate
[03:00] <xbaez> eleet, ok thanks
[03:00] <black_Nightmare> crimsun thanks I'll keep this in mind
[03:01] <jesus_> http://jesus.spydro.be/weblog/?p=55
[03:01] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: ok i tried re-installing it and rebooting but gstreamer still wont work
[03:01] <eleet> xbaez - np
[03:01] <crimsun> outlaw: unfortunately very few of us - if any - know the specifics of MEPIS's keymap configuration
[03:01] <pe7er> crimsun: done.
[03:01] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Well, I'm momentarily out of suggestions.  I've not used rhythmbox at all; I use amaroK.
[03:01] <pinS> gosh!
[03:02] <pinS> playing DVDs in ubuntu is next to impossible
[03:02] <pinS> damn, the lag!!!
[03:02] <pinS> hell, windows does better
[03:02] <pinS> :)
[03:02] <crimsun> pe7er: you have two packages that contain the same libary (file): libfaad2-0 and libfaad2
[03:03] <mattgirv> pinS: Installed your 3D drivers?
[03:03] <pe7er> crimsun, yes.
[03:03] <pinS> i have no idea
[03:03] <mattgirv> pinS: Enabled DMA on your DVD drive?
[03:03] <pe7er> but shouldn't be libfaad2 be update with libfaad2-0 ?
[03:03] <outlaw> crimusm this is a xorg issue I installed xorg using ubunty .deb's
[03:03] <crimsun> pe7er: you need to resolve that conflict:  What program requires libfaad2 that you're trying to install it?
[03:03] <mattgirv> pinS: Tried a different Renderer
[03:03] <pinS> renderer?
[03:04] <crimsun> outlaw: which version of the X.Org debs/
[03:04] <outlaw> ubuntu is the only debian destro I know that officaially
[03:04] <mattgirv> You get different Drivers for playing video, like... x11 , xvidix etc..
[03:04] <crimsun> outlaw: if you're using Ubuntu's debs, you need to stay current.
[03:04] <crimsun> outlaw: in other words, you need 6.8.2-5.1
[03:04] <outlaw> the very very latest I udated today
[03:04] <pe7er> crimsun: some norwegian toy with questionable legality called pymystique. i wanted to throw an eye on it because i thought i might be 'cool to have'
[03:04] <pinS> mattgirv, i have a radeon mobile card
[03:04] <mattgirv> yep
[03:04] <pe7er> crimsun: they explicitely provided it as hoary packages
[03:05] <angeles> hello, i was just wondering if someone could tell me if ubuntu is suitable for server systems as well as desktops, please?
[03:05] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: wats amaroK like
[03:05] <pe7er> crimsun: so i thought i could risk a look.
[03:05] <crimsun> angeles: yes, it is.
[03:05] <mattgirv> pinS: install the ati drivers and make sure dma is enabled
[03:05] <Davidcc6> mako, I'm home now, hope you had a great time at the mountain, burbuja sends you many hellos, and I hope you're very well and had a wonderful time at colombia
[03:05] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: It's the best media app I've ever used.  I love it.
[03:05] <angeles> crimsun, excellent, thanks alot
[03:05] <outlaw> crimsun under what dir is your xorg installed please
[03:05] <crimsun> pe7er: but libfaad2-0 is already provided in multiverse. It's recommended you use that instead.
[03:06] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: where can i get it lol
[03:06] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: It's in the Ubuntu repositories.
[03:06] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: woot so i can go like apt-get install amaroK
[03:06] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Fill yer boots.
[03:06] <pinS> mattgirv, what exactly im i looking for in Synapics
[03:07] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: it might be amarok instead of amaroK.
[03:07] <pinS> ati doesnt return very exact results
[03:07] <crimsun> pinS: what are you trying to install?
[03:07] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: yeah i found it :P im using gnome but
[03:07] <pinS> crimsun, 3d drivers and ati drivers. :)
[03:07] <mattgirv> pinS: there is a guide on ubuntuforums.org but you get fglrx-driver (i think)
[03:07] <mattgirv> fglrx something :)
[03:07] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Gnome apps run on KDE.  KDE apps run on Gnome. :-)
[03:07] <crimsun> pinS: did you follow http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[03:08] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: learn something new every day... isnt linux great
[03:08] <pinS> crimsun, i just love those links dont I? :)
[03:08] <mjr> hmh, I do think that the free radeon drivers are quite sufficient for watching dvds
[03:08] <lrojas> odd, sudo cd <somedir> does not work, it says that there is no cd command...
[03:08] <mjr> more likely the dma issue
[03:08] <outlaw> crimsun?
[03:08] <mattgirv> pinS: dont forget to enable dma on the drives
[03:08] <crimsun> mjr: please walk pinS through those issues.
[03:09] <mattgirv> mjr: yeah i mentioned that, along with the card drivers
[03:09] <crimsun> outlaw: /usr/X11R6
[03:09] <outlaw> thank you
[03:09] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: I've been running Linux since 1993 and learn new things each and every day.  Unlike other systems that try to limit you, Linux has the attitude, "OK, what do you want to do now?" :-)  I'm the limiting factor in Linux, not the system.
[03:09] <mjr> mattgirv, yes, I noticed
[03:09] <pinS> dma on drives... i assume that can be done somewhere in here?
[03:09] <thoreauputic> lrojas: yes, it's a shell built-in - cd first, then run the command
[03:09] <mjr> pinS, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc (or whatever your dvd drive is)
[03:10] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: it is great... if only i wasnt on dialup *cries* amarok is 107 mb
[03:10] <mattgirv> add it to your session file as well
[03:10] <mattgirv> or you will have to type it each time
[03:10] <lrojas> what happens when the dir i have to cd dont have permission for my user because i mounted a drive from other os?
[03:10] <pinS> ?
[03:10] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: and i will admit the fact there is no flash plugin for amd64 builds is a tad annoying and cedega didnt work onthis or FC3
[03:10] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: but i wont give up
[03:11] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: its fun tweaking things :P
[03:11] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: Then you have lotsa fun. :-)
[03:11] <outlaw> ok that the same dir structure I have that's not the problem
[03:11] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: specially if i had broadband
[03:11] <black_Nightmare> interesting hardware question for you people....
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> think a hd (can be 3.5" or 2.5" I can piece either) can worthstand the average car-travelling-on-older-roads shocks and still run?
[03:12] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: is there like a gstreamer config file that tells it what codecs to use?
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> worthstand=withstand
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> stupid fingers.... bah
[03:13] <thoreauputic> lrojas: possibly your /etc/fstab needs attention - depends on the case
[03:13] <DarthFrog> Lightboy: I've never played around with gstreamer, sorry.
[03:13] <pinPoint> ouch
[03:13] <pinPoint> i just pulled out my power cord from lappy
[03:13] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: its cool
[03:13] <pinPoint> there goes all the good stuff
[03:13] <pe7er> crimsun: problem is there are other provided packages that rely on libfaad2 not libfaad2-0, namely gstreamer0.8-faad. but i posted this anyway because i felt you were a tiny bit curious. i'm sure i'll find some notes on it somewhere, even if google doesn't know of it yet.
[03:14] <Lightboy> does n e one know if there is like a gstreamer config file that tells it what plugins to use?
[03:14] <pe7er> crimsun, thank you!
[03:14] <outlaw> crinsum thank you for taking the time to try and help me ... perhaps my best bet is to post a question on a forum
[03:15] <crimsun> pe7er: it's best to recommend to the packager that (s)he recreate those debs against what's available in multiverse
[03:15] <crimsun> pe7er: that way users won't run into issues such as the one you're experiencing
[03:16] <crimsun> outlaw: what precisely is the issue with the layout?
[03:16] <outlaw> just a second
[03:17] <Lightboy> does n e one know if there is like a gstreamer config file that tells it what plugins to use?
[03:17] <geneo93> back to square one again
[03:18] <janc> damn, Tkinter is ugly on Ubuntu (all linux?)  :-(
[03:18] <Lightboy> hah gstreamer wont even play flac files let alone mp3's!
[03:18] <pinS> heh
[03:19] <pinS> man you gotta love when they trip over the power cable
[03:19] <outlaw> crimsun this is from the xorg.0.log: (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
[03:19] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: I assume you've got gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer-plugins installed?
[03:20] <outlaw> been trying to solve for awhile now google searches advice from more experiance users on MEPIS ... made all the recommedend changes to my keyboard config in xorg.con
[03:20] <maddler> hi all!!!
[03:20] <maddler> and...
[03:20] <LeeJunFan> is jigdo/jigit going to help me build a DVD that has the main and also universe / multiverse packages for amd64? Or just for main?
[03:20] <maddler> THANK YOU!
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> :o
[03:20] <maddler> I just fall in love with ubuntu!
[03:21] <Lightboy> thorepautic: i hav all the right pluins installed.. im running hoary with the amd64 k8 kernel
[03:21] <thoreauputic> another convert....
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> maddler :p ~ I *may* soon....yet to make an installion cdr to put on my sitting-there-now pc system and maybe bring it back to life :p
[03:21] <pinS> ubuntu was a good first sight
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: ah - I know nothing about amd64, sorry
[03:21] <maddler> this is not "a" distro... ubuntu is THE distro!
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> but for now..ughh... go figure that I'm a windoze user
[03:21] <outlaw> either I'm missing something in xkb dir or a symbolic link didn't get created because of a diference between MEPIs and Ubuntu
[03:21] <maddler> black_Nightmare: do that!!!
[03:21] <eleet> anyone running kismet here ?
[03:22] <eleet> with orinoco drivers?
[03:22] <black_Nightmare> maddler...soon lol...don't worry about it thou ;)
[03:22] <maddler> I just installed on my new amd64 laptop...
[03:22] <black_Nightmare> say... is there irc built into the setup for ubuntu?
[03:22] <maddler> and... well... it rox!!!
[03:22] <maddler> I'm a kinda old slackware user...
[03:22] <pinS> black_Nightmare, ya
[03:22] <maddler> and tried many distros until now...
[03:22] <pinS> xchat
[03:22] <maddler> but... man... ubuntu rox!
[03:22] <pinS> true
[03:22] <maddler> in a snap!
[03:22] <caffinated> maddler: wait'll you get compositing working ;)  it rocks even more after that
[03:22] <black_Nightmare> pins ~ eh.. xchat is for linux too?  I never noticed that
[03:23] <pinS> maddler, its clean too huh
[03:23] <janc> black_Nightmare : xchat & irssi
[03:23] <maddler> it configured _everything_!
[03:23] <pinS> always for linux
[03:23] <pinS> ported for windows
[03:23] <black_Nightmare> win version
[03:23] <maddler> pinS: right...
[03:23] <black_Nightmare> ahh...ported... I thought it was native..duh
[03:23] <maddler> it's the definitive distro!
[03:23] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: heh - "too" ? It originated in linux / open source
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> maddler: I agree - I just converted from mandrake. Now if only I could find a way to keep a local mirror and make DVD's for my bw challenged friends I'm going to convert too.
[03:23] <caffinated> no need to pay for xchat
[03:23] <black_Nightmare> anyhow...next question....
[03:23] <black_Nightmare> is there any tv player program support? :)
[03:23] <crimsun> outlaw: you'll want to see how your xkb conf matches up to what's available in /etc/X11/xkb/
[03:23] <maddler> LeeJunFan: use rsync for mirroring...
[03:23] <black_Nightmare> ati tv tuner that is
[03:24] <maddler> and a few bash scripts for bunrinig... :)
[03:24] <jdub> LeeJunFan: install debmirror
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> maddler: yeah - but I only need amd64 and i386 packages. 50+ GB is a lot.
[03:24] <maddler> hehehe...
[03:25] <black_Nightmare> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/hoary/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso <is that what I should get for mine pc system?
[03:25] <maddler> a couple days of work... :)
[03:25] <maddler> I bet so :)
[03:25] <maddler> black_Nightmare: have you got an intel cpu?
[03:25] <maddler> 32 bit? :)
[03:25] <black_Nightmare> about 18 minutes left :p
[03:25] <janc> LeeJunFan : debmirror can do that
[03:25] <black_Nightmare> maddler.. 300Amhz slot1
[03:26] <black_Nightmare> I hope its ram is okay @ 128mb
[03:26] <black_Nightmare> amways could try sourge a 2nd stick if necessary
[03:26] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: borderline RAM
[03:26] <maddler> yup... hoary-preview-install-i386.iso is ok
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> jdub, janc : thanks - that's what I was looking for :)
[03:26] <black_Nightmare> thore..hmm so 256mb would be better then?
[03:26] <janc> a friend of me always has a complete i386 & PPC Debian sarge mirror on his laptop  :)
[03:26] <maddler> 128MB is ok... 256 is better ;)
[03:26] <black_Nightmare> ok and about hd space?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: yes, especially on 300mhz
[03:26] <geneo93> black_Nightmare:  thats min ram
[03:27] <maddler> the full install is about 1.8gigs
[03:27] <maddler> so at least a 3G disk would help... :)
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> 1.8gb hmmm
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> maddler...or I could just save my files to another hd?
[03:27] <geneo93> and you need space for home
[03:27] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare:sure
[03:27] <maddler> black_Nightmare: also...
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> I can mount 2x 2.5gb right away here
[03:28] <black_Nightmare> any bigger I'll have to sourge it
[03:28] <maddler> black_Nightmare: that will be fine...
[03:28] <thoreauputic> that's enough - you could put /home on your secondary hdd
[03:28] <geneo93> if you stripp out OO that saves a lot
[03:28] <black_Nightmare> hm ok....that would be four ide drives....full controller LOL
[03:29] <Fackamato> heh
[03:29] <black_Nightmare> well put it this way.....
[03:29] <outlaw> crimsum not quite sure I follow you: don't have xkb conf in /etc/X11/xkb
[03:29] <maddler> folks... the more I look at ubuntu... the more I see it is a GREAT distro!
[03:29] <maddler> black_Nightmare: you could also kill gnome... and gain some space...
[03:30] <thoreauputic> maddler: and improving , of course :)
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> mine pc has 2x 2.5gb hd (I can format both) .. buslink 32x12x40x cdrw [liteon rebadge, lasting well] , 16x dvdrom [dunno what brand, bought it oem in bag]  ... that aside to the slot1 cpu and ram
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> creative soundblaster 16 pnp isa
[03:30] <maddler> thoreauputic: great... really... great...
[03:30] <geneo93> emacs
[03:30] <maddler> I've been figting with a "few" distros since three days...
[03:30] <outlaw> crimsun: not sure I understan xkb conf? compare to what?
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> hrmm... does ubunute have ppp or something for external modems?
[03:30] <geneo93> dont need emacs
[03:30] <maddler> and none of them worked 100%
[03:31] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: yes (I'm on dialup)
[03:31] <maddler> ubunto not only worked fine...
[03:31] <crimsun> outlaw: as in check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:31] <crimsun> outlaw: then see what's actually available in /etc/X11/xkb
[03:31] <maddler> but also was able to setup everything in the right way...
[03:31] <mako> maddler: are you the maddler i know?
[03:31] <maddler> great job...
[03:31] <maddler> mako!!!
[03:31] <maddler> mako!!!
[03:31] <mako> maddler: DUDE :)
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> thore...ah ok ty.  can internal known-fully-hardware [not winmodem]  modems work or its best to find external ones?
[03:31] <maddler> sure I am!!!
[03:31] <maddler> who else!!!
[03:31] <maddler> mako: thank you! and to everyone involved!!!
[03:31] <maddler> really!
[03:32] <mako> maddler: awesome, i'm glad you like it
[03:32] <mjr> black_Nightmare, if you mean modems that present themselves as a serial port to the computer, they work
[03:32] <maddler> I like it?! naaaaaaaaa...
[03:32] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: I guess they would work - even a few winmodems would ( I used to use a lucent winmodem)
[03:32] <maddler> I'M IN LOVE WITH UBUNTU!
[03:32] <maddler> :D
[03:32] <mjr> and yes, what thore said
[03:32] <mako> maddler: awesome :)
[03:32] <maddler> :)
[03:32] <outlaw> sorry crimsun not an expert with X11
[03:32] <mako> maddler: it's awesome to see you here :)
[03:32] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: you would need to know hwich ttyS* port was your modem
[03:32] <maddler> hehehe...
[03:33] <maddler> and looks like I'll become a regular!
[03:33] <mako> maddler: killer :)
[03:33] <maddler> I would also be _happy_ to give a help...
[03:33] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: com 1 is ttyS0, com 2 ttyS1 and so on
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> hmm.. lucent modems
[03:33] <mako> maddler: there's lots to give back to the community.. the italian community team seems to be in something of a state of flux and could probably use some fresh energy :)
[03:33] <markc> what would the default root password be for the live cds ?
[03:34] <black_Nightmare> I guess I'll see what any store around here have and report back ;)
[03:34] <maddler> yep... I noticed the channel... :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: external is safer (with serial connection)
[03:34] <black_Nightmare> I take it a realtek 8029(AS) ethernet pci card would work straight away?  its already worked well under 98se without any assistance needed
[03:35] <mjr> Yep, external is safe. But if you want something else, recommend looking at http://www.linmodems.org/
[03:35] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: most nics are well supported
[03:35] <eleet> bye, thx for all the help :)
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> ty mjr
[03:36] <pinPoint> device not found
[03:36] <outlaw> crimsun if your interested (willing) my Xorg.conf Keyboard config is pastebin.com
[03:36] <black_Nightmare> hm so that would be isa sound card, pci ethernet, internal or external modem .... guess that wraps up my hardware questions
[03:36] <pinPoint> at bootup, the fglrx drivers
[03:36] <lnoldan> my how linux has grown....  :)
[03:36] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: isa can be problematic
[03:36] <pinPoint> [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!
[03:37] <lnoldan> hd install of warty, runing xfce with a 266 & 64mb of ram is pretty painful :/
[03:37] <mjr> yah, with isa you might have to fiddle with yourself, no reliable autodetection there...
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> mjr...umm the card is a pnp type
[03:37] <mjr> umm, what did I just say?
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> or that doesn't matter to non-windows?
[03:37] <vordul> =[
[03:37] <thoreauputic> lnoldan: try icewm, fluxbox or openbox
[03:37] <pinPoint> i cant start gnome now
[03:38] <mjr> black_Nightmare, that might help, I think alsa has pnp support. Or might not, I don't know.
[03:38] <pinPoint> what now
[03:38] <pinPoint> im screwed?
[03:38] <crimsun> alsa does have pnp support, but it's recommended that you not use it.
[03:38] <black_Nightmare> hmm that reminds me...
[03:39] <pinPoint> getting a nice error before gnome startup
[03:39] <mjr> anyway, I'll just go to sleep from telling people to fiddle with themselves now, thankyouverymuch
[03:39] <lnoldan> thoreauputic, any of those avalible through synaptic?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: you might need to install isapnptools , and fiddle
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> any of you know what the actual defintition is of a "controllerless modem"?
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> its aopen FM56-PX pci
[03:39] <thoreauputic> lnoldan: all of them, AFAIK ( probably in universe repo)
[03:40] <geneo93> just got 204 mb free by removing OO
[03:40] <lnoldan> black_Nightmare, I would assume the same as a win-modem  (software controlled, vs having a hardware controller)
[03:40] <lnoldan> thoreauputic, thanks.
[03:40] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: check linmodems.org and search
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> hmm...good thought
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> thanks
[03:40] <crimsun> outlaw: and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> one second...
[03:40] <outlaw> crimsun do you have a high speed connection
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> okie found the card easily...
[03:41] <crimsun> outlaw: yes, but don't dcc me anything.
[03:41] <black_Nightmare> CONEXANT  CX06834-11
[03:41] <outlaw> don't worry I don't even know ehat that means :)
[03:42] <outlaw> crimsun if I gave you my email would you consider sending me a tar.gx of your xkb dir?
[03:43] <lnoldan> brb
[03:45] <bluefoxicy> hah"
[03:45] <bluefoxicy> dosfsck put a directory in itself
[03:45] <FR500> is anyone having troubles with java being too slow in ubuntu?
[03:45] <bluefoxicy> and kliled my usbdisk
[03:45] <bluefoxicy> though windows killed it too.
[03:45] <FR500> java in firefox i mean
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> someone tell me this is stupid http://www.devidal.tv/~chris/winmodems/conexant/conexant_monopak_hcf.html  2003-09-08 they make you PAY for linux drivers :|
[03:45] <Frederick> hi folks
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> I probably should trade this modem card for something that has free drivers?
[03:46] <Frederick> can anyone pleasse help me with users mounting cdrom?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> FR500: when is javav ever fast ? *grin*
[03:46] <pinPoint> heh
[03:46] <FR500> thoreauputic:  well same it's faster in the same computer + windoze
[03:46] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: if you get an external hardware modem, you won't need drivers
[03:47] <geneo93> crimsun:  is it safe to upgrade from warty to hoary with out updating warty
[03:47] <FR500> but
[03:47] <FR500> i hate windows
[03:47] <crimsun> geneo93: hmm?
[03:47] <pinPoint> what is /dev/cdrom
[03:47] <outlaw> I know about those **** black_Nightmare
[03:47] <pinPoint> /dev/dvd
[03:47] <crimsun> geneo93: how would you upgrade without updating?
[03:47] <FR500> geneo93:  you mean installing hoary without toaching warty?
[03:47] <FR500> geneo93:  if that is the cae you should be safe
[03:47] <pinPoint> i dont i had a success install of fglrx crimsun
[03:48] <pinPoint> it screwed up things
[03:48] <crimsun> outlaw: no need for me to send, just unpack xlibs and xbase-clients
[03:48] <pinPoint> dvds are laggy still
[03:48] <crimsun> pinPoint: did you follow mjr's hints about DMA?
[03:48] <pinPoint> i have to type 'startx'
[03:48] <pinPoint> yes i did
[03:48] <outlaw> you mean apt-get?
[03:48] <geneo93> well i have warty off cd without the 132 mb of updates i need and what to upgrade right to hoary
[03:48] <pinPoint> did them on /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom
[03:48] <black_Nightmare> outlaw hehe ~ well this aopen modem lasted me well when I was seriously only having dialup access for several months [and still running 98se anyhow whatever] 
[03:48] <pinPoint> thats correct?
[03:48] <janc> Frederick : cd-roms should mount automaticly?
[03:48] <crimsun> outlaw: sure, and use dpkg-deb -x
[03:48] <thully> Hi - I'm curious - what portable music players are usable in Ubuntu as standard mass storage for transferring songs?
[03:48] <black_Nightmare> so I guess I wouldn't mind making a trade together with original box ;)
[03:49] <FR500> geneo93:  i don't really understand
[03:49] <Frederick> janc: no but users should be able to mount them if they want
[03:49] <FR500> geneo93:  you want to have both? or just upgrade?
[03:49] <calc> thully: ipod works as regular mass storage
[03:49] <lnoldan> so I don't completely flock this thing up.... a PentiumII = i686?
[03:49] <thully> yes - but not for transferring songs
[03:49] <thully> I don
[03:49] <outlaw> never used dpkg before could you please be very explict in your instructions .... sorry
[03:49] <thoreauputic> lnoldan: yes
[03:49] <FR500> talking about mass storage, my usb1.1 hd doesnt work
[03:49] <FR500> any clues?
[03:50] <janc> Frederick : a cd-rom should be mounted automaticly after closing the CD-drive
[03:50] <lnoldan> thoreauputic, alright, going to add the right kernel arch, and reboot with the new window managers..... wish me luck :)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> lnoldan: pentium classic, I= i586
[03:50] <pinPoint> crimsun: [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!
[03:50] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:50] <geneo93> just go from warty install off cd to hoary
[03:50] <Frederick> janc: I need something like this /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
[03:50] <pinPoint> bootup
[03:50] <Frederick> janc: but my user still unable to mount it
[03:51] <FR500> geneo93:  it's not that safe
[03:51] <crimsun> geneo93: do you have a live Internet connection on the warty machine?
[03:51] <FR500> better download the iso, and burn it
[03:51] <thully> I may just end up getting an iPod - but drap-and-drop without any intermediate software would be nice (I know iriver does this, any others?)
[03:51] <geneo93> yes this is it
[03:51] <janc> I'm the only user here...  :)
[03:51] <|QuaD-> syn-ack: i used to like kde better, but i tend to find my self liking gnome now too
[03:51] <crimsun> geneo93: are you on dial-up or metered?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> FR500: have more faith - apt is an incredible tool
[03:51] <geneo93> dial up
[03:51] <janc> probably they have t obe in the cdrom group
[03:51] <janc> ?
[03:52] <syn-ack> |QuaD-: Ive used Gnome since my Red Hat days. ;)
[03:52] <FR500> thoreauputic:  3 of 3 wartys broken for me
[03:52] <crimsun> geneo93: well then try using the hoary cd to dist-upgrade
[03:52] <syn-ack> I can remember when Gnome had SawFish as its WM. :)
[03:52] <thoreauputic> FR500: how did you manage that ?
[03:52] <outlaw> apt-get is one the main reasons why I choose debian
[03:52] <FR500> thoreauputic:  apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:52] <|QuaD-> oh well, i really liked kpim, but evolution is as fully featured
[03:52] <geneo93> i dont have a hoary cd
[03:53] <crimsun> geneo93: then how do you plan to go to hoary?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> FR500: i've dist upgraded several times without incident...
[03:53] <FR500> didnt even break gnome?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> FR500: nope
[03:53] <geneo93> just change the repositories in synaptic to hoary
[03:53] <FR500> weird
[03:54] <crimsun> geneo93: then you'll still have to update && dist-upgrade
[03:54] <thoreauputic> FR500: do you have backports or non-ubuntu debs installed?
[03:54] <syn-ack> Thats usually how I upgrade.
[03:54] <geneo93> yup
[03:54] <FR500> thoreauputic:  i got a sources.list from......you i think
[03:54] <crimsun> geneo93: which means you'll still have to download ~700 MB of updates
[03:54] <thoreauputic> FR500: haha - OK it's all my fault :)
[03:55] <outlaw> crimsum?
[03:55] <FR500> seriously, i think you sent me
[03:55] <geneo93> well i killed off OO saves 200+ there and emacs another 50 or so
[03:55] <FR500> not sure though
[03:55] <maven_> morning ,every body
[03:55] <thoreauputic> FR500: well, mine seems to be working fine ;)
[03:55] <FR500> thoreauputic:  well xserver broke on all of mine
[03:55] <crimsun> geneo93: so now you're down to 600.
[03:55] <geneo93> crimsun:  i'll let you know how much it will take without those
[03:56] <thoreauputic> FR500: do you have nvidia drivers?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> or ati?
[03:56] <FR500> no
[03:56] <thully> geneo93- one thing you may want to know - Hoary will be available on CD soon for free if you can wait
[03:56] <thoreauputic> FR500: odd then - *shrug*
[03:57] <thully> right now, it isn't  an official "stable" release (although it is pretty stable)
[03:57] <sal002> Crap...Hoary won't bood...group descriptor corrupted
[03:57] <sal002> boot
[03:57] <jony> hi
[03:57] <thully> However, at least Ubuntu's stable releases actually have a kernel/software from this century...
[03:58] <black_Nightmare> a bit confusing to me but ~ anyone care to tell me if any difference between controllerless and software modems?
[03:58] <thully> no - same thing
[03:58] <black_Nightmare> both being conexant
[03:58] <jony> how can i modify my $PATH var??? to add jdk1.5###/bin/
[03:58] <black_Nightmare> oh ic
[03:58] <geneo93> on my way
[03:58] <thully> black_Nightmare - oh, conexant - one is HSF and one is HCF, and they use different drivers
[03:58] <jony> black_Nightmare, win modems or softwaremodems rely on apps to do the functions normal modems have built in.
[03:59] <thully> HSF is software modem, and HCF is controllerless I believe
[03:59] <thully> They are both very similar - use slightly different drivers though
[03:59] <black_Nightmare> ehh....guess I'll just try find a cash+trade for external 28.8K or better then
[03:59] <black_Nightmare> usr perhaps? ;)
[04:00] <thully> You can go to www.linuxant.com and download drivers - they have a free 14.4 driver and a full driver which costs
[04:00] <thor|coffee> black_Nightmare: get a 56k - 28 is really too painful to contemplate
[04:00] <jony> thully, how can i modify my $PATH
[04:00] <jony> ?
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> thor..lol I said 'or better' :p
[04:00] <thully> they have both software/controllerless
[04:00] <outlaw> crimsun did you get my request for more explicit intructions on using dpkg to extract those files?
[04:00] <geneo93> black_Nightmare:  i've seen them on ebay for 5 bucks serial modems
[04:00] <crimsun> outlaw: use dpkg-deb -x
[04:00] <crimsun> outlaw: man dpkg-deb
[04:00] <sal002> Is there a way to repair my disk if the group descriptor blocks are corrupted?
[04:01] <xbaez> hi , i already change sources.list for upgrade hoary but when i run apt-get update show me 2 errors in Sources.gz
[04:01] <bloated> hi
[04:01] <bloated> why is ubuntu so hot
[04:01] <thully> Also, many people's phone lines can only do 28.8 - like mine.  That's why I use a wireless (as in mobile phone technology, not wi-fi) connection.
[04:01] <xbaez> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[04:01] <xbaez> some idea ?
[04:01] <jony> xbaez, have you imported the gpg keys??
[04:01] <bloated> ubuntu is debian isnt it?
[04:01] <xbaez> jony, nop
[04:02] <thully> no - it's debian based - uses it's own repository but is very similar to debian, only simpler
[04:02] <jony> xbaez, are you adding the nerif.net servers or something like that??
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> isa blaster sound card, external 28.8K-56K used modem, pci realtek ethernet card, cdrw, dvdrom, 2x 2.5gb hd, to find 2nd 128mb ram for 256mb total ram, 300Amhz slot1
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> what else can I be missing in hardwares? :p
[04:03] <thully> I actually find the fact that Ubuntu uses it's own repo to be an advantage - no dealing with unstable/testing and non-standard packages
[04:03] <bloated> should i grab the 5.04 preview?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: a Mac G5 ;-)
[04:03] <crimsun> bloated: array-7
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> thore..thats too much $$ :))
[04:03] <crimsun> bloated: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/
[04:03] <jony> black_Nightmare, http://www.linmodems.org/
[04:03] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: indeed ;)
[04:03] <xbaez> jony, no, are the sources from instalation, i just replace warty for hoary
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> thore... :p
[04:04] <thully> I always think it's a bit weird that people run Linux on Macs - isn't their main appeal Mac OS?
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> thully..no clue :)
[04:04] <jony> hmmm there's a guide to do that look in www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:04] <utku> hi all, are you experiencing problems with xorg from ubuntu depots while using nvidia drivers, like freezes etc.
[04:04] <geneo93> black_Nightmare:  best external modem i ever had was a diamond supra
[04:04] <sal002> Anyone know if you can repair an ext3 filesystem that has a corrupted group descriptor block?
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> geneo ... hmm never seen any of these -- save an supraexpress on the mac (its these adb-powered one)
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> its mostly usr and aopen around here
[04:05] <crimsun> sal002: yes, using e2fsck
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> but intel now seem to also have their own budget winmodem card too
[04:05] <geneo93> that would do shotguning
[04:05] <geneo93> two phone line dual connection
[04:05] <jony> geneo93, how can i change my $PATH huh???
[04:05] <thoreauputic> thully: the mac is nice hardware - and I like my iBook G4 with linux better than OS-X
[04:05] <jony> geneo93, i want to add the bin dir for java
[04:05] <geneo93> 10kb/s d/l
[04:05] <thoreauputic> thully: Linus Torvalds runs a G5 BTW
[04:05] <outlaw> tis asking for a extract directory for xlibs crimsun /usr/X11R6?
[04:05] <bloated> crimsun: i can use the livecd to install also?
[04:05] <janc> utku : I use the default open source drivers for nvidia and those seem to be stable  :-)
[04:06] <janc> don't know about the binary drivers...
[04:06] <crimsun> bloated: no.
[04:06] <xbaez> how can i upgrade to hoarty ?
[04:06] <bloated> no?
[04:06] <crimsun> bloated: no, use the install cds
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> any of you got any experience with emulating windows 3.1 or 95 either way on ubuntu?
[04:06] <sal002> crimsun: Thanks!
[04:07] <thully> either way?
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> thully..sorry I mean either os anyhow ;)
[04:07] <thully> you could try qemu for that - but it's a little slow
[04:07] <thoreauputic> jony: read the ubuntuguide.org java howto
[04:08] <thully> There is a new accelerator module, though (but it is closed source and requires latest CVS qemu, I believe)
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> qemu hmm..I think I might have heard that -- got a link?
[04:08] <geneo93> just google ubuntu java
[04:09] <thully> I think it's in universe - http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ is the homepage
[04:09] <jony> thoreauputic, thanx
[04:09] <lnoldan> what's the apt command to rebuild broken kernel modules
[04:09] <bloated> black_Nightmare: you can use wine, cedega, vmware etc
[04:09] <lnoldan> the one you'ld run after a kernel upgrade?
[04:09] <pinPoint> mjr: you around?
[04:10] <janc> hm, I've never tried qemu
[04:10] <janc> only bochs...
[04:10] <bloated> can ubuntu compile software for you?
[04:10] <geneo93> take you right to the page
[04:10] <geneo93> man there must have been a shit load of updates today
[04:10] <underlord> im thinking about upgrading my computer soon, is there any reason at all to get a 64bit system instead of 32?
[04:10] <black_Nightmare> bloated thing anyhow was that I was wondering about getting one 3.1/95 software to run as its a camera program for an older digital camera which is in its own properity picture formats (norm in early days I guess, go figure)
[04:11] <bloated> underlord: isnt it better to get something small and an HMD
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> ubuntu almost all the way for me but emulating windows to run some specific smaller programs I need
[04:11] <bloated> www.cbc.ca/cyberman
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[04:11] <geneo93> yes but you need the libs
[04:11] <lnoldan> anyone?
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> anyhow I'm going to bed now
[04:11] <bloated> black_Nightmare: i dont know if itll work
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> I might be back tomorrow
[04:11] <utku> janc: are you using composite addon?
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> ty a LOT of you anyhow.. bye :D
[04:12] <crimsun> lnoldan: huh?
[04:12] <janc> utku : no
[04:12] <underlord> bloated: whats hmd?
[04:12] <bloated> head mounted display
[04:12] <lnoldan> there's a command  "apt-get install something(uname -a)" to repair missing kernel modules. after replacing the noarch with something specific.  anyone able to help me find the mising piece?
[04:13] <bloated> :>
[04:13] <underlord> lol, no thanks :P
[04:13] <thoreauputic> lnoldan: your question didn't make a lot of sense
[04:13] <janc> utku : composite requires OpenGL IIRC ?
[04:13] <crimsun> lnoldan: are you trying to recompile kernel modules?
[04:13] <daniels> janc: no, it doesn't
[04:13] <bloated> no thanks?
[04:13] <lnoldan> crimsun, no, I just replaced the noarch, with the 686 kernel.  At boot it pukes on at least two modules.
[04:13] <jony> if i add a simbolic link to the java/bin directory in usr/local/bin would it work???
[04:13] <bloated> soon everyone will have hmds
[04:13] <crimsun> noarch? what the...
[04:14] <thully> speaking of emulation, what's the best way to run Windows apps (especially multimedia stuff - no games, though) on Linux?  I especially want to buy music online
[04:14] <underlord> they said that 10 years ago, and i still dont
[04:14] <maddler> hmmmm... I need a help...
[04:14] <Agrajag> wine, or vmware
[04:14] <thully> I've used pyMusique, but don't want to be busted for TOS violation
[04:14] <underlord> its stupid, why would anyone want to put a computer on their head
[04:14] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I guess he means he upgraded to i686 or somehting
[04:14] <crimsun> thully: then just JHymn
[04:14] <thoreauputic> oops
[04:14] <maddler> what if I want to compile a program and I am running an x86_64 kernel?
[04:14] <lnoldan> crimsun, the default kernel isn't tailored to any specific processor.  it's generic x86  I replaced it with the 686 kernel.  hense noarch -> 686
[04:14] <maddler> right now I get checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
[04:14] <maddler> checking for gcc... no
[04:14] <maddler> checking for cc... no
[04:14] <maddler> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[04:15] <thully> with iTunes in crossover, or what?
[04:15] <maddler> I know I am missing something... but what?
[04:15] <Agrajag> maddler: did you install build-essential
[04:15] <crimsun> lnoldan: no, that's i386, most definitely an arch. You want linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:15] <thully> Also, does anyone sync an iPod w/iTunes in crossover?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> maddler: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:15] <bloated> underlord: because you can turn the world into a computer with software. the hardware becomes a mediator tot he external world
[04:15] <maddler> ok... perfect... I knew there was smth :)
[04:16] <thoreauputic> maddler: you are missing a compiler and other bits :)
[04:16] <bloated> itll be as useful as your t shirt and glasses
[04:16] <maddler> thoreauputic: :)
[04:16] <janc> hm, there is a nice article about the stupidity of DRM on the BBC site   :)
[04:16] <underlord> yeah,, ok, i can understand people wanting to live online, but stil, its pritty over the top
[04:16] <thoreauputic> janc: link?
[04:17] <thully> speaking of build-essential - I recently installed it and tried to compile a class project in C++, and I got an error message, something about assert.  On Fedora it works fine.  What am I missing?
[04:17] <bloated> underlord: its all be said before about what we have now
[04:17] <janc> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4360793.stm
[04:17] <janc> (print version)
[04:17] <bloated> its only a matter of time
[04:17] <underlord> all i wanna do with my computer is steal tv shows and code cool apps, maybe a bit of artistic stuff on the sde, not live in it
[04:17] <thoreauputic> thully: probably a dev library (that's the usual problem anyway)
[04:18] <geneo93> gcc matbe
[04:18] <underlord> if you used one for very long you would totaly lose depth perception too
[04:18] <thully> I installed build-essential
[04:18] <bloated> underlord: youll have a camera as well, so itll improve your vision
[04:18] <rbaker> I upgraded my kernel and now I cannot change my display resolution, it is now stuck at 640x480, I was happyily running 1024x768.
[04:18] <maddler> time to hit the bed here!
[04:18] <maddler> thank you all!
[04:18] <bloated> itll replace glasses etc
[04:18] <maddler> mako... c ya nxt time dude! :D
[04:19] <crimsun> thully: are you using the correct #include?
[04:19] <underlord> hows it improve your vision, you can still only see at the same resolution regardless of if you have a camera and screen infront of your bio-cameras
[04:19] <crimsun> thully: i.e. cassert
[04:19] <bloated> itll improve your driving
[04:19] <thully> Yes - this compiles fine on Fedora Core 3
[04:19] <thully> should work
[04:19] <rbaker> I even modified XF86config-4 and still nothing.
[04:19] <thully> crimsun: what setup do you have w/JHymn?  Do you use iTunes w/crossover office
[04:19] <caffinated> is there something special I have to do to get gnome VFS to work again?  it doesn't seem to work in hoary since the installation.  (ie: applications-all-users:/// in nautilus brings up an invalid location error)
[04:20] <underlord> bloated: have you listened to tales from the afternow?
[04:20] <crimsun> thully: no, I have a workstation that runs xp
[04:20] <thully> oh - you buy there and then move the songs - I see
[04:20] <crimsun> yep
[04:20] <thoreauputic> caffinated: menu editing is broken in gnome 2.10
[04:20] <caffinated> argh!
[04:20] <crimsun> rbaker: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[04:20] <bloated> underlord: it will happen because it is
[04:20] <caffinated> thoreauputic: any workaround?
[04:21] <rbaker> ii  linux-restrict 2.6.8.1.3-4    Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 386
[04:21] <thoreauputic> caffinated: there's a script/app for it written by Amaranth
[04:21] <thoreauputic> don't have a link
[04:21] <crimsun> rbaker: still running warty?
[04:21] <underlord> yeps
[04:21] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: menu editor?
[04:21] <thoreauputic> caffinated: a search on the wiki/forum would find it I think
[04:21] <rbaker> crimsun, yes
[04:22] <geneo93> crimsun:  340 mb without OO and emacs
[04:22] <caffinated> thoreauputic: fair enough, i'll have a peek.  thanks for the heads up
[04:22] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: that's yours, isn't it ?
[04:22] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: it's getting it's own subforum, i think :)
[04:22] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: yeah
[04:22] <caffinated> Amaranth: oh, i don't suppose you could save me the time and link me, eh? ;)
[04:22] <Amaranth> caffinated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705 <--known to work
[04:22] <crimsun> geneo93: nice
[04:22] <caffinated> thanks a bunch
[04:22] <Amaranth> caffinated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21048 <--if you want to help test
[04:22] <crimsun> rbaker: sec, lemme update.
[04:23] <Amaranth> almost positive 0.2 won't work so good luck :P
[04:23] <rbaker> I thought I was totally updated, am I not?
[04:23] <caffinated> Amaranth: it looks nice, i daresay nicer than actually using nautilus :)
[04:23] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:23] <crimsun> rbaker: won't know til my update finishes
[04:24] <rbaker> all I know is that I'm going nuts trying to use this notebook with such a crappy resolution. and ctrl+alt+ + or - makes no differnce.
[04:24] <geppy> Why doesn't Firefox have a soundserver-wrapper built in for plugins like Konqueror does?  And, more importantly;  what should I do about it?
[04:24] <crimsun> geppy: it does.
[04:24] <geppy> crimsun: Where can it be found?
[04:24] <crimsun> granted, you have 1 choice, really, and that's esd.
[04:25] <thoreauputic> heh just realised I pointed at the wrong nick ...
[04:25] <geppy> crimsun:  eh, yeah, well, I guess that'll work, as ESD/polypaudio can pipe to other servers =)
[04:25] <Amaranth> caffinated: Give up on PHP yet? :)
[04:25] <geppy> crimsun:  Where can I find the options for that?
[04:25] <caffinated> Amaranth: hell no, they've made me a moderator now.  so i can twist and bend minds!
[04:25] <Amaranth> caffinated: moderator of what?
[04:25] <crimsun> geppy: zmore /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian.gz
[04:25] <caffinated> Amaranth: #php
[04:26] <rbaker> where is grub.conf file?
[04:26] <Amaranth> caffinated: ah. you should use python. :P
[04:26] <caffinated> i officially have keys to the executive washroom!
[04:26] <Amaranth> caffinated: that menu editor is written in python
[04:26] <caffinated> Amaranth: i can believe it
[04:26] <crimsun> geppy: make sure the libesd.so.1 symlink exists
[04:26] <crimsun> rbaker: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:26] <caffinated> Amaranth: i must spend half my day telling people php is not a very good GUI language heh
[04:26] <bloated> which software will burn isos?
[04:26] <bloated> nautilus cd burner>?
[04:26] <rbaker> ahh
[04:27] <caffinated> Amaranth: someone actually came in with php-SDL questions yesterday.  i almost died :(
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> bloated: right click on it
[04:27] <Amaranth> lmao
[04:27] <Amaranth> caffinated: didn't daeken write that?
[04:27] <caffinated> i have no idea.  but it is officially a Thing that Should Not Be(tm)
[04:27] <bloated> HrdwrBoB: nautilus will burn isos?
[04:27] <Amaranth> bloated: right click on the iso :D
[04:28] <geppy> crimsun:  where does the libesd.so.1  need to be?
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> bloated: yes
[04:28] <crimsun> geppy: /usr/lib/
[04:29] <rbaker> is there some kind of script I can run to try and change the resolution?
[04:29] <rbaker> cause the one that's in COMPUTER doesn't give me any options other than 640x480/
[04:29] <crimsun> rbaker: sec, my warty machine is rebooting
[04:29] <rbaker> ok.
[04:30] <Amaranth> rbaker: you'll need to edit the config file
[04:30] <geppy> crimsun: Do I need to make a symlink from libesd.so.1 to libesd.so.0?
[04:30] <rbaker> Amaranth, I did
[04:30] <rbaker> XF86config-4
[04:31] <Amaranth> remove all the resolution settings except the one you want
[04:31] <rbaker> I did.
[04:31] <Amaranth> then i dunno
[04:31] <rbaker> me either =P
[04:31] <crimsun> rbaker: your l-r-m is quite old
[04:31] <rbaker> so how should I update
[04:31] <crimsun> rbaker: ii  linux-restrict 2.6.8.1.3-7    Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on PPro/Celer
[04:32] <crimsun> rbaker: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:32] <rbaker> I tried to use 2.6.11.5 bt it kernel panic
[04:32] <geneo93> maybe its in grub config
[04:32] <rbaker> I did that, I get nothing
[04:32] <rbaker> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:32] <crimsun> rbaker: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:32] <crimsun> rbaker: paste in #flood
[04:33] <rbaker> what do I need to change in sourcelist
[04:33] <rbaker> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[04:33] <rbaker> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main
[04:33] <rbaker> that's all I have.
[04:33] <crimsun> hah
[04:33] <crimsun> you're missing restricted
[04:33] <rbaker> ahh
[04:34] <crimsun> *** 2.6.8.1.3-7 0 500 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
[04:34] <geneo93> click all them
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: any screenies of your editor ? ( just curious - I'm on Warty anyway)
[04:34] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: thanks - looking
[04:36] <geneo93> crimsun:  i was 10 minutes away from have up to date hoary and then things went south
[04:36] <zerovertex> Anyone using Skype? I'd like to try it out on ubuntu
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: umm - that's where I was - I was thinking a screnshot would be interesting - have I missed something obvious?
[04:36] <Amaranth> ?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> *screenshot
[04:36] <geppy> I'm getting _really_ choppy playback in firefox of an asf file;  is this because of asf decoder problems, or is it something that I can fix?
[04:37] <Amaranth> it isn't interesting? :)
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I don't see a screenshot here ?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it has a GUI, I guess?
[04:37] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor.png
[04:38] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[04:38] <thoreauputic> thanks again
[04:38] <rbaker> crimsun, I got it started.
[04:38] <rbaker> I'm updating.
[04:39] <crimsun> rbaker: good.
[04:39] <rbaker> ok done
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: looks really nice :) And easy to understand :)
[04:39] <rbaker> but now what?
[04:40] <caffinated> Amaranth: you should look at getting that added to one of the standard repositories
[04:40] <geneo93> crimsun:  its was hanging on kde stuff said something about svg being in kde base and something else and it couldn't over write it
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: and BTW of course it's interesting - bookmarked for passing on in the channel to the frustrated hordes ;-)
[04:41] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:41] <Amaranth> point them to 0.1 for now
[04:41] <Amaranth> i don't think i'll have a working replacement until 0.3, 0.2 is dead in the water
[04:42] <suifur> How would I forbid a module from being loaded? I have a Netgear WG511 wireless card and it 'supposedly' works with the prism54 native linux driver but it doesn't and I want to use ndiswrapper instead. I want to forbid my system from loading the prism54 driver and alias wlan0 to ndiswrapper. how would i do so?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK
[04:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:42] <caffinated> suifur: modprobe
[04:42] <jony> do you guys know any good java IDE or editor for linux??
[04:43] <caffinated> jony: jedit or eclipse
[04:43] <suifur> caffinated: im aware of that but at boot it automatigically loads the prism54 driver...
[04:43] <Absenth> what would be an example of a very light weight web browser, that at least mostly functions?
[04:43] <suifur> Absenth: epiphany? firefox?
[04:43] <Absenth> just pulling up a page in firefox on this computer takes the cpu to 90% ormore.
[04:43] <suifur> Absenth: what is it?
[04:44] <Absenth> the page?  www.userfriendly.org
[04:44] <caffinated> Absenth: well, if you're willing to go non-free, i'd suggest opera
[04:44] <suifur> Absenth: no the hardware?
[04:44] <Absenth> P2 266 with 192mb of ram now.
[04:44] <caffinated> the alternative browsers to firefox mostly suck in the free dept.
[04:44] <caffinated> either that, or they're using the gecko engine anyway
[04:44] <geneo93> Absenth:  dilo
[04:44] <crimsun> geneo93: ah, a conflicting file?
[04:44] <suifur> Absenth: heh i have less ram than that and run a p2 333 and i have no problems at all but you might try getting off of Gnome first, its a resource hog on machines like that
[04:45] <Absenth> suifur I'll exit, and come back in xfce and see how that goes.
[04:45] <geneo93> galion
[04:45] <Absenth> brb
[04:45] <caffinated> those are all gecko browsers iirc
[04:45] <caffinated> so they're all going to be a bit hungry
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Absenth: as geneo93 says , dillo is quite nice - but rather limited
[04:46] <caffinated> heh
[04:47] <caffinated> or good ol' elinks even
[04:47] <crimsun> links or w3m
[04:47] <thoreauputic> caffinated: actually *links* compiled with graphics is quite good, if a bit eccentric
[04:47] <thoreauputic> links -g
[04:47] <caffinated> thoreauputic: i know a guy who uses it quite religiously.  i think he's half insane
[04:47] <geneo93> caffinated:  thats to much work for most ppl
[04:48] <Absenth> so I should look into Dilo as well as opera.  Anything else I should consider trying?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> caffinated: good for browsing sites that block well-known browsers but don't have  aclue what links is ;-)
[04:48] <caffinated> Absenth: well, you could try something that uses khtml, but i'm less than happy with that engine myself.
[04:48] <geneo93> i've used it a couple of times in 6 yrs so
[04:49] <caffinated> thoreauputic: that makes no sense.  why would you make a site, and then block well-known browsers?
[04:49] <thoreauputic> caffinated: heh - banks do it all the time
[04:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:49] <NormD> I'm assuming that means "I.E. only"...?
[04:49] <caffinated> ah, ok
[04:49] <caffinated> NormD: yeah, i wasn't thinking ;)
[04:50] <thoreauputic> NormD: oh - and the ones that won't allow firefox but allow netscape 7
[04:50] <Absenth> Hmmmm..... just the gnome terminal is worth 9% of the cpu.....
[04:50] <thoreauputic> what a joke
[04:50] <Absenth> Thanks for the help guys.
[04:50] <NormD> heh.  assumption there is probably "I.E. and AOL only"  : )
[04:50] <caffinated> thoreauputic: that's usually due to bad browser checking.  not any desire to block mozilla and/or firefox
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Absenth: gnome termianl is slow - try aterm
[04:51] <caffinated> or eterm :D
[04:51] <Absenth> I guess I'll have to install those.....
[04:51] <thoreauputic> caffinated: yet when you email them, they don't fix it
[04:51] <caffinated> i have cycles to waste though, so i use gnome-terminal
[04:51] <pinPoint> i set my dma to on on /hda and still totem takes a long time to load
[04:51] <caffinated> thoreauputic: it takes a lot of noise for any of those places to consider spending the money
[04:52] <Absenth> this is a huge departure from my normal computing experiance.
[04:52] <pinPoint> for playing dvds
[04:52] <caffinated> thoreauputic: you have to keep in mind that the decision makers are clueless
[04:52] <thoreauputic> caffinated: indeed
[04:52] <sabmoc> hello
[04:52] <geneo93> xterm is there i believe
[04:52] <Absenth> the other two computers are a 1900+ w/512 and a 2400+ w/1024mb respectivly
[04:52] <thoreauputic> caffinated: well, firefox is edging towards 10% - soon they'll have to pay attention
[04:52] <Absenth> I am hoping to get this slow pc running well enough that I don't mind surfing, and checking my mail on it.
[04:52] <caffinated> thoreauputic: it's still a farily small piece of the pie overall;  but one would hope they would.
[04:53] <geneo93> i use what ever is handy
[04:53] <Absenth> keep the temps in my office under 28c :)
[04:53] <caffinated> thoreauputic: it all comes back to this.  We pay attention to it all, so it's a big deal to us.  they don't pay attention to it, so unless a lot of people bitch, nothing will happen.
[04:53] <thoreauputic> caffinated: they can't afford to alienate 10% of their customers, though
[04:53] <NormD> I thought I saw 6% on the last slashdot blurb I read...still, that's quite a movement over the last few months.
[04:54] <DazeD||laptop> hows everyone doing tonight
[04:54] <pinPoint> need help with playing dvd
[04:54] <caffinated> thoreauputic: 10% browser usage doesn't really mean 10% of the banks customers
[04:54] <thoreauputic> caffinated: but I understand your point and agree with you
[04:54] <Absenth> I don't suppose there's any way to migrate the gnome menus into xfce?
[04:54] <caffinated> a bank may have less than 1% of it's users using firefox.
[04:54] <geneo93> dont believe any thing on /.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> caffinated: true- IE still rules the banks I guess ;-)
[04:55] <Fackamato> has anyone experienced any troubles by compiling your own kernel in ubuntu?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: no, because I haven't ;-)
[04:55] <thoreauputic> sorry
[04:55] <caffinated> geneo93: it's not a question of believing or disbelieving things on /. - it's to do with using your brain, and doing some follow-up research if you're interested in being in the know.
[04:55] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:55] <Fackamato> thoreauputic: ;P
[04:55] <Fackamato> I'm thinking of compiling my own kernel
[04:55] <Fackamato> Just for fun, tweak it etc
[04:56] <NormD> hrrm....I gotta believe *some* things I read there...else I wouldn't have noticed Ubuntu and Mepis...caffinated's right on the money there. : )
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: thinking about it is harmless ;)
[04:56] <Absenth> anyone want to share the diffrences between a and e term?
[04:56] <caffinated> Absenth: e is closer to z?
[04:56] <Absenth> that was helpful :)
[04:56] <caffinated> Absenth: eterm has a few more eye-candy options ;)
[04:56] <geneo93> well how does osnews report ubuntu
[04:57] <Fackamato> thoreauputic:  :P :P :P
[04:57] <caffinated> well i would hope
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Absenth: aterm is lighter, eterm is eaier to configure with point and click
[04:57] <caffinated> this distro kicks ass
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: heheh
[04:57] <Fackamato> thoreauputic: well, I'm gonna go for it
[04:57] <Absenth> I'm installing both :)
[04:57] <geneo93> eugenia sucks big ones so i dont read it anymore
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: have fun then :)
[04:57] <caffinated> excellent community backing, and a truly brilliant marketing idea.
[04:58] <caffinated> the free CD shipping - just brilliant.  i've got all my friends ordering them :)
[04:58] <Absenth> Ubuntu does kick ass....  on slightly faster hardware then this computer :)
[04:58] <Absenth> I think my Celery 700 would do fantastic.
[04:59] <geneo93> well look at beos gave free d/l for pe and i didn't succeed
[04:59] <rempresent> i am trying the new kubuntu release, it isn't all that great
[04:59] <rempresent> kde still looks a little dated
[04:59] <rempresent> not as pretty or smooth as ubuntu
[04:59] <DazeD||laptop> hey how do get my wireless card to scan for access points to connect to...and once found how do i get it to connect to it?
[04:59] <Absenth> rempresent, I had Xandros 3 on the other computer earlier today.  I agree KDE just isn't for me.
[04:59] <geneo93> update it then
[04:59] <caffinated> geneo93: right, but this is different because people will order it just because it's free, and it doesn't use up their time.  beos also didn't have a livecd, had sub-par hardware support, and it lacked a lot of software.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Absenth: try aterm -tr +sb -sh 80 -fg grey -bg black  when you get it, to see waht can be done...
[05:00] <rempresent> there is just something about gnome that makes it more current
[05:00] <Absenth> rempresent, however, the guys over at Mad Penguin think kde and qt are the cats ass, and gnome/gtk suck.
[05:00] <NormD> I'll order a few sets to pass along after the official release. I suspect it might even be "auntie ready" by that point...
[05:00] <caffinated> geneo93: someone is more likely to try something if a friend hands them a cd and says "keep it, i have 9 more at home" than if they're given a link
[05:01] <rempresent> i understand, i just can't see it, i am going to use kde for a week, and if i am still disappointed then i am going back
[05:01] <Absenth> thoreauputic, that looks pretty nice actually.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> caffinated: yes, my 15 CDs went fast
[05:01] <rempresent> i just tried installing debian by itself today also, that was a task...
[05:01] <caffinated> thoreauputic: heh, guess it's time to get on the new list eh?  i went conservative, only 10 386 builds and 3 AMD64 builds
[05:01] <geneo93> thats true
[05:01] <rempresent> after like 3 hours, x wouldn't run correctly and crashed on me
[05:01] <caffinated> i should have got a few PPC ones though, i know some macintoy users
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Absenth: assuming you have a functional mouse scroll wheel it's fairly practical
[05:02] <geneo93> i took my other 9 to the local library
[05:02] <Absenth> rempresent, I'll be honest I haven't loved gnome much in the past, although, the way Ubuntu has it configured really changed my mind.  at least 90% better then a generic gnome setup like FC3's layout
[05:02] <rempresent> yep, i agree
[05:02] <calc> is FC3's actually generic now?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> caffinated: I'm already signed up :)
[05:02] <calc> they used to modify it heavily
[05:02] <rempresent> i am not crazy about the whole rpm deal either
[05:02] <rempresent> apt is the shit
[05:02] <Absenth> calc, I dunno about that, but it's just a toolbar across the bottom ala windows.
[05:03] <calc> Absenth: that isn't stock gnome
[05:03] <caffinated> Absenth: well, to give you an idea:  i've used linux off and on forever.  and I always go back to windows.  there is always some annoyance or issue or problem that angers me enough to go back.  I think they may have actually got it to the point where it's a viable alternative now.
[05:03] <calc> ubuntu's gnome is nearly stock but they changed the top menu around a bit
[05:03] <geneo93> anything that comes from rh needs a good polish
[05:03] <Roey> hi
[05:03] <calc> so i guess it is proof that the normal gnome layout is a pretty good one :)
[05:03] <Roey> calc: hi
[05:03] <calc> Roey: hi
[05:03] <Absenth> caffinated, I'm in the same boat.  Although I've found recently if you're willing to pull your hair out in the first few weeks after setup to get everything working.  then it's smooth sailing.
[05:04] <Roey> once I compile my own kernel, how do I use mkinitrd on that new kernel image?
[05:04] <|al3x|> calc : i think so
[05:04] <caffinated> Absenth: many people mistake my attitude as some kind of "fanboyism" but the truth is, i've been waiting, and checking back for a long time now waiting for *this*
[05:04] <Absenth> caffinated, also it's nice not to have the system performance degrade over the next 6 weeks --> 6 months forcing another reinstall.
[05:04] <geneo93> caffinated:  best way to avoid going back is fdisk and nukeing cds
[05:04] <andrewski> caffinated: *this* being ubuntu?
[05:04] <caffinated> andrewski: more or less
[05:04] <caffinated> it's not completely hassle-free, but it's close enough for me now.
[05:05] <Absenth> caffinated, what I've been waiting for was a way to use linux, and still get my work done at the office which is over 99% windows.
[05:05] <Fackamato> Hm, anyone know a page with kernel tweaks?
[05:05] <Fackamato> Performance tweaks
[05:05] <andrewski> caffinated: well, nice.  i switched from gentoo; nice we can coexist with this distro. :)
[05:05] <caffinated> geneo93: i'm not pro-windows.  i'm not pro-linux.  i'm pro-having-it-my-way. :)
[05:05] <crimsun> calc: like everquest
[05:05] <andrewski> Fackamato: the kernel docs?
[05:05] <SiRrUs> good evening guys
[05:05] <calc> crimsun: heh, i'm still stuck playing old games ;)
[05:05] <Roey> anyone know the answer to my question?
[05:05] <crimsun> calc: hehe
[05:05] <Absenth> caffinated, it it wasn't quite so....  stupid....  I'd probibly be using Xandros 3.0 buisness edition at work, since it intigrated with AD really nicely.  However I don't really want to pay $129 for something I don't like.
[05:05] <Roey> YOU!
[05:06] <calc> i never reboot my main desktop out of linux
[05:06] <Roey> you know
[05:06] <Amaranth> caffinated: Ubuntu was the first distro that kept me on Linux more then a week
[05:06] <crimsun> Roey: hey now, I'm checking lastlog
[05:06] <thoreauputic> the other thing that's nice is the relative absence of arrogance and elitism on this channel
[05:06] <NormD> absenth: cygwin and OO 2.0? : )
[05:06] <Absenth> caffinated, I'm pretty Pro OpenBSD.
[05:06] <Roey> crimsun:  :)
[05:06] <caffinated> Absenth: heh, i actually destroyed my first installation with too much tinkering
[05:06] <|al3x|> Amaranth: :-) really ??
[05:06] <caffinated> however, i wanted to move to hoary anyway
[05:06] <calc> i think i more or less stop dual booting my desktop in 98
[05:06] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:06] <caffinated> so it all worked out
[05:06] <Roey> *caffeinated
[05:06] <Roey> *absynthe
[05:06] <crimsun> Roey: pfft. You're supposed to pass --initrd
[05:07] <Amaranth> i've used it on servers for years so i was comfortable with a command line but other things were annoying
[05:07] <Roey> crimsun: to what, the kernel building process? :)
[05:07] <Absenth> NormD, I can't seem to make Cygwin do anything I want it to inany sort of useful manner
[05:07] <crimsun> Roey: to fakeroot make-kpkg
[05:07] <caffinated> Amaranth: i *love* gnome.  it's so clean, and snappy.
[05:07] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:07] <Roey> crimsun: that's a command?!
[05:07] <Roey> caffinated: that's what I like about KDE, too.
[05:07] <crimsun> Roey: see make-kpkg(1) !
[05:08] <Roey> crimsun: thanks!!!!
[05:08] <caffinated> Absenth: under windows i don't use cygwin, i use services for unix
[05:08] <Absenth> Roey, it's actually Absinth 90% of the time.  In New Orleans it was renamed Absynthe.
[05:08] <|al3x|> i want to upgrade my warty to hoary
[05:08] <Roey> Absenth: oh right!
[05:08] <thoreauputic> DoppelGanger: haha - well someone has to iI guess :)
[05:08] <Roey> Absenth: why the name change? is that a brand name?
[05:08] <caffinated> Absenth: it's still free (albiet it needs 2000 or XP pro) but it's much better integrated, and i found things easier to compile.
[05:08] <Absenth> Roey, no, just curious how many people would catch the misspelling :)
[05:08] <billytwowilly> |al3x|, it's easy read the wiki you change 3 or 4 things in your sources.list file from warty to hoary.
[05:08] <Roey> Absenth: :)
[05:08] <caffinated> that's how i kept using irssi in windows
[05:09] <caffinated> SFU + GCC + irssi source ;)
[05:09] <Absenth> So Far you're only the second one.
[05:09] <DoppelGanger> Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/ makes you sexy
[05:09] <|al3x|> billytowilly : yup, i c
[05:09] <geneo93> |al3x|:  its very easy
[05:09] <calc> just do :%s/warty/hoary/g
[05:09] <New2ubuntu> I need help I need to get DVD support on my machine, but it insists that this repository doesn't exist deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable
[05:09] <Absenth> now.....  If I could only get my Blackberry to connect to my linux machine at work.  The conversion would be complete.
[05:10] <New2ubuntu> Is there another repository that has win32codecs?
[05:10] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, marillate sometimes goes down.
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Absenth: ther's a pun, is there not? As in "absynthe makes the heart grow fonder" ? *g*
[05:10] <Absenth> thoreauputic, heh.....  there might be..
[05:10] <New2ubuntu> billytwowilly is there an alternative repository?
[05:10] <|al3x|> geneo93 : i change my source-list to hoary then run apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:10] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, Not that Iknow of.
[05:10] <calc> |al3x|: apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, yea
[05:11] <Absenth> thoreauputic, one of these days I'm going to order a $200 bottle of Absinth, and have it shipped to my house to put on a shelf.  I'm not sure I'm brave enough to actually open it, or drink from it.
[05:11] <pinPoint> help help
[05:11] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, marillat is up right now.. I just did an update from there.
[05:11] <pinPoint> fglrx wont load
[05:11] <geneo93> ahh you have to update first
[05:11] <Roey> crimsun: I read the make-kpkg docs but I don't understand what 'fakeroot' refers to. How do I know which files to put in that fakeroot directory???
[05:11] <New2ubuntu> ok
[05:11] <|al3x|> calc : i use ubuntuforum.org as my source list
[05:11] <New2ubuntu> could you send my the deb address
[05:11] <pinPoint> x wont start
[05:11] <New2ubuntu> maybe this blog is wrong
[05:11] <crimsun> Roey: use fakeroot instead of running it as root or as a user
[05:11] <geneo93> apt-get update then dist-upgrade
[05:11] <pinPoint> i have to type startx and thats after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:11] <billytwowilly> Absenth, Absinth isn't that dangerous. Ecstacy is more dangerous than Absinth
[05:11] <Roey> crimsun: upon boot you mean?
[05:11] <Roey> crimsun: and that 'fakeroot' is a flag
[05:11] <crimsun> Roey: nope, when you run make-kpkg
[05:12] <pinPoint> from "fglrx" to "ati"
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: ok.. so it's a flag?
[05:12] <crimsun> Roey: it's a command
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: aaah.
[05:12] <Absenth> billytwowilly, having never tried anything outside of Smoking Camel Lights, and more then my share of Captain Morgans.
[05:12] <prince> hey is there a java 1.5 repository for hoary?
[05:12] <New2ubuntu> billytwowilly could you give me the deb address you are using, mybe the Forum I got mine from is wrong
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: so I'd do:  make-kpkg fakeroot --initrd vmlinuz-2.6.11.5
[05:12] <Roey> yes?
[05:12] <crimsun> Roey: no, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd ....
[05:12] <Roey> crimsun: then what about System.map-2.6.11.5 ?
[05:12] <prince> hey billytwowilly :)
[05:12] <billytwowilly> Absenth, Yah, smoking tobacco is worse for you than absinth as well.
[05:13] <Roey> crimsun: ah.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Absenth: I believe the French word "absinthe" also means "wormwood"
[05:13] <billytwowilly> prince, sup?
[05:13] <andrewski> :q
[05:13] <calc> most now days don't include wormwood
[05:13] <andrewski> whoops :P
[05:13] <|al3x|> price: java respitory? what do you means ?
[05:13] <crimsun> Roey: I'm fairly certain you want fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd             make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image
[05:13] <Absenth> billytwowilly, the big question is, does absinthe show up when your employeer throws you into a random drug screening?
[05:13] <billytwowilly> prince, look on ubuntuforums.org there is a link to a java repository. You're breaking the java licence if you use it though.
[05:13] <prince> billytwowilly, you never have come by to ge that cpu stuff
[05:13] <crimsun> Roey: err, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
[05:14] <Absenth> thoreauputic, That's true,  and Calc, that's also true.
[05:14] <prince> billytwowilly, why?
[05:14] <crimsun> Roey: sorry, paste went wonky there
[05:14] <calc> Absenth: its alcohol so probably
[05:14] <calc> besides the whole staggering around bit
[05:14] <Roey> crimsun: ok
[05:14] <billytwowilly> Absenth, I'm not certain. If they are testing for it then yes it will. The question is how long afterwards. If it is fat soluble (like THC) then a long time afterwards, if it is water soluble (like Cocaine) then not so long afterwards.
[05:14] <Roey> crimsun: how does make-kpkg know where the System.map file is for the corresponding kernel_image ?
[05:14] <deang> Sorry but google and my 56k line are failing me. How do I modify the Applications , Computer menus, along with the top level enclosed folders?
[05:15] <crimsun> Roey: they're named matching the respective uname -r
[05:15] <Roey> billytwowilly: are there any countries where cannabis is 100% legal?
[05:15] <Absenth> billytwowilly, all the more reason to leave it on the shelf for conversation, and not open it up.
[05:15] <Roey> crimsun: aaaah ok.
[05:15] <billytwowilly> prince, Because the licence says you can only repackage java and distribute it with the permission of sun and sun doesn't usually give that out to individuals.
[05:15] <Roey> crimsun: hmm, I dunno what the uname -r name of this fresh bzImage is.. how can I find out?
[05:15] <New2ubuntu> billytwowilly I have copied the exact text of the deb from the Ubuntu guide and it says that ti cannot downlaod the repository index
[05:16] <calc> Roey: run strings on it
[05:16] <|al3x|> hey, any body try using kubuntu ?
[05:16] <caffinated> am, i wonder if theres a way to daemonize xcompmgr so if it dies it automaticly restarts.  kinda like gnome-panel
[05:16] <crimsun> Roey: look at Makefile's VERSION+PATCHLEVEL+SUBLEVEL+EXTRAVERSION
[05:16] <billytwowilly> Roey, I don't know..
[05:17] <billytwowilly> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[05:17] <billytwowilly> that's what you should have in your sources.list
[05:17] <Roey> calc: thoght about that
[05:17] <Roey> calc:  will do
[05:17] <billytwowilly> and as for the java dude here it is now that I have my sources.list open:
[05:17] <billytwowilly> deb ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Roey: i used to live in Fiji, and there was a scandal about US Peace Corps people smoking cannabis - when it hit the papers, a lot of Indo-Fijian farmers were surprised, as they'd been smoking it in hookahs for years without a clue taht it was "illegal" :)
[05:17] <billytwowilly> eb-src ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ source/
[05:17] <calc> Roey: looking at the Makefile should give you the same info like crimsun said but strings will show you what is in the file exactly
[05:17] <billytwowilly> d in front of that.
[05:18] <New2ubuntu> thank you Billytwowilly :)
[05:18] <New2ubuntu> that one worked
[05:18] <Roey> ok.
[05:18] <odie5533> What is Apache?
[05:18] <Absenth> anyone able to tell me how to create a launcher in xfce?
[05:18] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, what was the one in the faq?
[05:18] <Roey> thoreauputic: interesting.
[05:18] <Roey> thoreauputic: so is it illegal now?
[05:18] <|al3x|> odie5533: it's web server
[05:18] <calc> odie5533: a patchy web server
[05:19] <Absenth> Apache?  a tribe of indians?  also a web server.
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Roey: yes, I'd say so :)
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> no
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> not that
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> sorry
[05:19] <Roey> Linux is like a teepee:  it has no "windows", no "gates" and there's an Apache inside
[05:19] <DoppelGanger> xena a warrior princess also a lesbian show
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> eb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable
[05:19] <New2ubuntu> that one
[05:19] <caffinated> Roey: heh, good one
[05:19] <Roey> crimsun: that fakeroot command gave this error:
[05:19] <odie5533> but
[05:19] <odie5533> Isn't Jakarta by Apache?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Roey: it was quite funny at the time - people saying "wtf - my grandfather introduced me to it !"
[05:19] <Roey> crimsun: Error: unknown target vmlinuz-2.6.11.5
[05:20] <New2ubuntu> they hsould change the faq to say the one you gave m
[05:20] <crimsun> Roey: don't pass it that.
[05:20] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, add a main to the end of that and it will work too.
[05:20] <billytwowilly> or should work.
[05:20] <Roey> crimsun: that's what strings showed me.
[05:20] <calc> hmm supposedly apache was always intended to mean the indian tribe
[05:20] <Roey> crimsun: will look in makefile now.
[05:20] <odie5533> ASF Apache Software Foundation
[05:20] <crimsun> Roey: your uname -r will be "2.6.11.5", yes
[05:20] <New2ubuntu> ok
[05:20] <crimsun> Roey: but you don't pass that to make-kpkg
[05:20] <New2ubuntu> who do you report this too, so they can modify the Faq for better clarity?
[05:20] <billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, that one might be better to have anyway, newer packages.
[05:21] <Roey> crimsun: then how does it know which image to generate the rdinit on???
[05:21] <billytwowilly> It's a wiki. You should be able to log in somehow and change it yourself.
[05:21] <crimsun> Roey: when you build a kernel, it uses that one
[05:22] <Roey> crimsun: how does it know where this newly built kernel image is?
[05:22] <Absenth> alright I'm out for the night.  See everyone later
[05:22] <crimsun> Roey: that's what kernel-package does
[05:22] <Roey> !!!!arg!!!!!!!!1
[05:22] <crimsun> Roey: if you want to run mkinitrd manually, then don't use make-kpkg
[05:22] <crimsun> Roey: i.e. for an already-compiled (manually) vmlinuz
[05:23] <Roey> crimsun: I have no idea how to do this then.  All I want to do is to add a kernel image to grub, and I understand that I need an initrd.img...
[05:23] <Roey> crimsun: yes, my linux is already compiled.
[05:23] <crimsun> Roey: you don't necessarily need an initrd if you compiled the root fs in as "y"
[05:24] <odie5533> How do people normally divide their home directory?
[05:24] <Roey> crimsun: it's whatever ubuntu's 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic  says
[05:24] <Roey> crimsun: also I have raid
[05:24] <Roey> crimsun: / and /boot are on raid.
[05:25] <geneo93> odie5533:  at set up time
[05:25] <Roey> crimsun: grub chokes on startup and thinks that it can't open /dev/md2 because it cannot read an ext2 superblock or something
[05:25] <nis> yo.
[05:25] <odie5533> Hmm?
[05:25] <odie5533> I mean divide into folders
[05:25] <Roey> crimsun: (but I end up mounting /dev/md2 onto /boot manually, and mount is fine with that)
[05:25] <odie5533> how do people normally divide it up, what folders are usually made
[05:25] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Your home directory is your personal space.  Use it as it makes most sense to you.
[05:25] <odie5533> Is there a normal way to use it though?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Nope.
[05:26] <odie5533> For instance, how do you have it set up?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> odie5533: LOL!
[05:26] <odie5533> Windows did all the thinking for you, I kind of miss that :D
[05:26] <thoreauputic> odie5533: mine just looks like a dump until I get sick of it and do a cp *.txt textdir or something :)
[05:26] <nis> odie5533: you'll want ~/bin and ~/Mail at least.
[05:27] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Well, consider your home directory equivalent to My Documents.
[05:27] <odie5533> I am trying
[05:27] <odie5533> but then why have the ~/bin?
[05:27] <geneo93> well i always make a home dir seperate from / so if i have lots of thing in home i can keep them
[05:27] <odie5533> I have one, Eclipse told me to have on, and thats the only reason
[05:27] <thoreauputic> odie5533: useful for scripts and things
[05:27] <sabmoc> gah
[05:27] <thoreauputic> odie5533: you can add it to your PATH
[05:27] <crimsun> Roey: hmm, it would have been easiest to apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, modify the arches built and the config, and proceed
[05:27] <odie5533> Is that useful to do?
[05:28] <odie5533> I had just been using the /usr/bin
[05:28] <thoreauputic> odie5533: depends how you work
[05:28] <odie5533> I don't know how I do
[05:28] <crimsun> Roey: does the default ubuntu image work?
[05:28] <odie5533> which is why I am open to suggestions
[05:28] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Think of it this way: you should be able to back up your home directory, re-install the OS, restore your home directory and all your data, mail, etc. is back.
[05:28] <pinPoint> im stuck getting fglrx working, anyone have time to help?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> odie5533: no, /usr/bin should not be used - /usr/local/bin is more sensible
[05:28] <SiRrUs> ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 11:28 PM ) Day: ( Sunday ) Date: ( March 20, 2005 )
[05:28] <nis> odie5533: /bin/cat ~/.bash_profile
[05:28] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: I'm in the same boat with you.
[05:29] <odie5533> why should usr/local/bin be instead?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> odie5533: /usr/bin is for "official" system-wide binaries
[05:29] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: my dvd wont play good at all
[05:29] <odie5533> woops
[05:29] <pinPoint> lag and no picture
[05:29] <odie5533> what about lib?
[05:29] <odie5533> /usr/local/lib?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> odie5533: /usr/local can be independent of other stuff
[05:29] <odie5533> I saw the empty dirs and thought this is definately not where I should put my files :D
[05:29] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive.  As root "hdparm -d 1 (DVD drive)"
[05:29] <pinPoint> does anyone know why  VLC gets audio out of sync
[05:29] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: it is
[05:30] <DarthFrog> pinPoint:  Run xine-check.
[05:30] <odie5533> pinPoint you should be able to set it
[05:30] <janc> Roey : in several countries using cannabis is not illegal but it's not legal either  ;)
[05:30] <nis> I like to use /var/local/<hostname> to store large databases.
[05:30] <odie5533> databases?
[05:30] <odie5533> hmm?
[05:30] <janc> like in The Netherlands and (less so) in Belgium
[05:31] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: xine-check?
[05:31] <Roey> janc: that's not enough to answer 'no' on government forms that ask if you have ever illegally abused those substances
[05:31] <pinPoint> does pick up on terminal
[05:31] <nis> odie5533: photographs downloaded off the web, movies etc.
[05:31] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Yes.
[05:31] <odie5533> Ah, why?
[05:31] <Roey> crimsun: didn't try yet.
[05:31] <pinPoint> odie5533: set it how?
[05:31] <janc> AFAIK it's legal to use it in the Netherlands
[05:31] <janc> but illegal to sell  it
[05:31] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: sorry i meant doesnt
[05:31] <odie5533> why not ~/hostname?
[05:31] <prince> W: Failed to fetch ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary/sun-j2re1.4.2_07-2_i386.deb
[05:31] <prince>   MD5Sum mismatch
[05:32] <odie5533> pinPoint: I am not sure, use Xine-UI, it's better ;D
[05:32] <prince> :/
[05:32] <Roey> crimsun: I actually built all the modules as per the default ubuntu kernel's /proc/config.gz states (I used that as a base for my .config).  How the heck am I gonna stuff all those modules into mkinitrd.img ;)
[05:32] <janc> but they don't prosecute selling if you pay taxes  :)
[05:32] <nis> odie5533: because then I can mount /var/local/<hostname> as a volume, delete it etc and I know I'm only losing/moving 'consumer-oriented' data.
[05:32] <odie5533> prince: I got that a lot too, make your own JRE's, its easier
[05:32] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: 1500 lb halibut?  They don't get that big, mon ami.  Yeah, I know, you did it just for the halibut, you had a porpoise but lobster.
[05:32] <odie5533> mount as a volume?
[05:32] <visor> anybody has noticed problems downloading files from within mozilla-firefox? (of course in ubuntu)
[05:33] <odie5533> can you give me an example of what you substitute <hostname> for?
[05:33] <prince> odie5533, I thought it is friendlier for for ubuntu filetype settings?
[05:33] <Roey> janc: you close yourself off from govt contracts if you do that.
[05:33] <Roey> janc: US ones at least.
[05:33] <nis> odie5533:  mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 /var/local/mylittlehost
[05:33] <janc> there is also a law in the making in Belgium that would make 'personal non-disturbing use by adults' legal  :)
[05:33] <odie5533> Hmm... seems useless?
[05:33] <nis> odie5533:  echo $HOSTNAME
[05:34] <odie5533> oh
[05:34] <janc> but selling & growing it will remain illegal  :P
[05:34] <thoreauputic> odie5533: not if you want to segregate data
[05:34] <odie5533> Ah... I love disorganization I suppose
[05:34] <odie5533> My windows desktop needed a scroll bar :D
[05:35] <thoreauputic> odie5533: yet another thing in linux that is configurable to personal taste ;)
[05:35] <janc> Roey : just don't tell them about it  :)
[05:35] <pinPoint> odie5533: xine-check, no xine-config found
[05:35] <odie5533> Do you have xine installed?
[05:35] <nis> odie5533: the whole point is if I need to dump a gigabyte of dull photograph images and movies I never look at, I don't have to sift out from my $HOME directory what can be removed and what is essential.  Large aggregates of consumer-oriented data goes (on my system) under /var/local/<hostname>.
[05:35] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[05:35] <pinPoint> ya
[05:35] <janc> when I went to NYC almost 15 years ago, they had some stupid immigration form there too
[05:36] <pinPoint> i did through synaptics
[05:36] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: What video player are you using?  I use xine.
[05:36] <pinPoint> xinelib its asking
[05:36] <odie5533> Try reinstalling it xine-ui
[05:36] <DarthFrog> odie5533: no, libxine.
[05:36] <odie5533> libxine1 I think it's called
[05:36] <janc> 'are you planning or involved in any attacks to the US' --> I'll tell them if I would...  :-P
[05:36] <odie5533> yes libxine1
[05:37] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install libxine1
[05:37] <pinPoint> installing it through synaptics
[05:37] <pinPoint> done
[05:37] <odie5533> Synaptic... ah
[05:37] <pinPoint> is it going to be added in the menu
[05:37] <pinPoint> under soud and video
[05:37] <nis> What is Synaptic anyway?
[05:37] <pinPoint> ah
[05:37] <odie5533> No, it might not be
[05:37] <odie5533> in terminal just time xine then
[05:37] <pinPoint> after reboot perhaps?
[05:37] <odie5533> and it will load
[05:37] <odie5533> no
[05:37] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Now running xine-check you shouldn't see any Ouch's. :-)
[05:37] <odie5533> you have to make your own
[05:38] <pinPoint> ok
[05:38] <pinPoint> stand by
[05:38] <odie5533> Right click the panel and click Add to Panel
[05:38] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, yeah I know, the really really big ones usually only get to 300lbs bigest on record is about 500lbs I think. But didnt you wonder what it was doing falling from the sky?
[05:38] <odie5533> Call it xine, command: xine
[05:38] <odie5533> it will make the icon by itself
[05:38] <DarthFrog> nis: synaptic is a graphical package manager.  Front end to apt-get.
[05:38] <pinPoint> hint: no xine-config found
[05:38] <odie5533> Er, Custom Launcher Application it is called
[05:38] <pinPoint> OUCH!
[05:38] <odie5533> Did it load though?
[05:38] <pinPoint> no input plugins
[05:38] <nis> DarthFrog: thanks.  I use dselect for that.
[05:39] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: I'm immersed in Monty Python.  I don't wonder about those sort of things any more.
[05:39] <odie5533> Monty Python... I never liked that... sadly
[05:39] <pinPoint> odie5533: seems like synaptic is not doing its job
[05:39] <odie5533> The humor seemed dry, and slightly british
[05:39] <odie5533> pinPoint: close Synaptic :D
[05:39] <pinPoint> since the lib looks installed but xine-check goes haywire
[05:39] <pinPoint> it is closed
[05:39] <odie5533> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[05:40] <pinPoint> there
[05:40] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, desensitized to falling halibut? now thats funny stuff...
[05:40] <thoreauputic> odie5533: *slightly* British? That's a british understatement, I'd say ;)
[05:40] <odie5533> It is your friend
[05:40] <pinPoint> sudo apt-get install libexine1
[05:40] <odie5533> thoreauputic: as it was meant ;D
[05:40] <odie5533> yes
[05:40] <ells> tritium: mike what is up man
[05:40] <pinPoint> nothing
[05:40] <odie5533> If that doesn't work... try Totem or MPlayer... or even Kaffeine I found was nice too, bit WMP GUI which I didn't like though
[05:40] <pinPoint> 0 on everything
[05:41] <odie5533> what is nothing
[05:41] <odie5533> hmm
[05:41] <pinPoint> Totem hangs
[05:41] <odie5533> Ah... hmm
[05:41] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, like being mostly dead, its a bit of an understatement.
[05:41] <ells> pinpoint: there are different versions of totem
[05:41] <odie5533> Are you up-to-date?
[05:41] <odie5533> sudo apt-get update
[05:41] <ells> pinpoint: try totem-xine
[05:41] <odie5533> sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:41] <CoNnEcT3D> anyone around that mite b able to help me with this error
[05:41] <calc> totem-xine seems to work better than totem-gstreamer
[05:41] <ells> calc-I agree
[05:41] <john> oi all
[05:41] <CoNnEcT3D> trying to get kcmpureftpd to compile
[05:42] <odie5533> I use Xine-UI, has major lag, but meh
[05:42] <john> anybdody here able to get a broadcom wifi in my Dell D600 to work?
[05:42] <john> everything else works BEAUTIFUL
[05:42] <calc> broadcom only works with ndiswrapper and only on i386
[05:42] <odie5533> Totem always got mad at me for things I didn't do =/
[05:42] <CoNnEcT3D> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss a package named similiar to libstd++-dev.
[05:43] <calc> they are $*%*% and won't release their drivers, docs or anything else for linux
[05:43] <odie5533> CoNnEcT3D: always do a search for those lib's
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> ive checked and i swear i have the necesary libs to compile it
[05:43] <odie5533> try sudo apt-cache search libstd
[05:43] <odie5533> see what turns up
[05:43] <Roey> crimsun: ok, this is not working:
[05:43] <Roey> crimsun: I give this command:
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> i have but
[05:43] <Brunellus> hey thoreauputic, wave that wand this way and tell me how to make my dockapps load when fluxbox starts
[05:43] <calc> some people are working on writing a broadcom linux driver but at their current pace it will be a few years until its done
[05:43] <Brunellus> :P
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> my apt-cache
[05:43] <Roey> crimsun: mkinitrd inird.img-2.6.11.5 vmlinuz-2.6.11.5
[05:43] <john> calc, ubunto have a deb package for ndiswrapper?
[05:43] <calc> john: not sure
[05:43] <pinPoint> odie5533: upgrade? im using hoary
[05:43] <CoNnEcT3D> doesnt return that specific lib
[05:43] <john> thoreauputic, thanks for the magic ;) i think i am going to need it
[05:43] <odie5533> Me too :D
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: pu them in .xsession with abn & after them?
[05:44] <CoNnEcT3D> that it asks for
[05:44] <CoNnEcT3D> = /
[05:44] <Roey> crimsun: it gives me a help screen.
[05:44] <Roey> crimsun: blah, that's it.
[05:44] <pinPoint> why apt-get upgrade?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: and maybe a -w option
[05:44] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I don't have an .xsession file
[05:44] <Fackamato> finished kernel config
[05:44] <Fackamato> now compiling \o/
[05:44] <odie5533> pinPoint: highlight me or I'll miss it, sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <HillTop> thoreauputic,  I gave away 3 ubuntu CD sets today to tech guys at a PC sales/repair place. They were very happy to get them.
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: well, whatever startup method you are using...
[05:45] <odie5533> pinPoint: It will update your packages, sudo man apt-get
[05:45] <Brunellus> I'm using gdm
[05:45] <pinPoint> odie5533: the source seems encrypted
[05:45] <Roey> crimsun: is there a way to just add a freshly built kernel into the grub chain, without the hassle of mastering the Zen of rdimage?
[05:45] <odie5533> pinPoint: What source?
[05:45] <Fackamato> odie5533: sudo isn't required for man ;P
[05:45] <pinPoint> odie5533: and cant read your DVD
[05:45] <odie5533> Fackamato: It was for me in some cases
[05:45] <tritium> hi ells - what's up?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> HillTop: I gave some to the guys at a local Aplle Centre - theyu weren't quite so happy, nthinks ;)
[05:45] <thoreauputic> *Apple
[05:45] <odie5533> pinPoint: What are you talking about, what did you run?
[05:45] <pinPoint> odie5533: do i need, css somehting
[05:45] <odie5533> try
[05:45] <pinPoint> xine
[05:46] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 i think
[05:46] <prince> whaqt package is make-jpkg in?
[05:46] <odie5533> prince: java-package
[05:46] <pinPoint> odie5533: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[05:47] <HillTop> thoreauputic,  Yesterday I had a Kubuntu with me whenI visited them - they made copies right off. Today I gave them the pretty Warty sets. :)
[05:47] <crimsun> Roey: just configure /boot/grub/menu.lst, then make sure the kernel's in place, then run update-grub
[05:47] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> HillTop: :)
[05:47] <odie5533> pinPoint: You don't have your sources configured correctly
[05:47] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Do you have the marilliat repository enabled?  That's where libdvdcss is .
[05:47] <nis> CoNnEcT3D: try mkdir test ; cd test ; script ; cd /usr/src/path/to/build/dir to make a record of the compilation so you can look at all the errors.
[05:47] <pinPoint> did update and upgrade
[05:47] <pinPoint> marilliant?
[05:47] <odie5533> pinPoint: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:47] <pinPoint> i have no idea
[05:48] <odie5533> Add as many as you can ;D multiverse, universe, marillat
[05:48] <DarthFrog> pinPoint:  Follow the URL that odie5533 just gave you.
[05:48] <odie5533> The Ubuntu wiki is quite the helper
[05:48] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You need universe, multiverse and marilliat, at a minimum.
[05:48] <odie5533> As is the amazing and all-knowing SEARCH button
[05:49] <john> does ubuntu come with kernel source on cd?
[05:49] <odie5533> Indeed, I just installed 2 days ago too ;D
[05:49] <john> i need to compile ndiswrapper against it
[05:49] <thoreauputic> john, no
[05:49] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  what init file do I have to edit to make the dockapps load?
[05:49] <odie5533> And I have switched 2 people to Ubuntu already LOL
[05:49] <Brunellus> the gdm init file?
[05:49] <john> thoreauputic, what do i apt-get to get kernel source
[05:50] <john> i guess i can run my lan cable into this room lol
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I use ~/.xsession - it depends how you start fluxbox
[05:50] <odie5533> Whenver I see someone complain about windows, I tell them Ubuntu will fix all the problems ;) it did for me at least
[05:50] <ells> tritium: sorry, i was checking email, what is up man
[05:50] <odie5533> speed, stabability, user-friendly, so many helpful people and tutorials galore, etc etc etc...
[05:50] <thoreauputic> john, sudo apt-get  install linux-source-$(uname -r) I guess
[05:51] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I have it as an option in my gdm session-types menu
[05:51] <odie5533> I still laugh at myself for ever using windows...
[05:51] <Brunellus> do I edit /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox ?
[05:51] <kevman> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu, and I cannot get it to communicate on my network
[05:51] <ells> odie5533,  I am there with ya
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I don't know, since I use a different method, sorry
[05:51] <ells> odie5533,  Not that I am a linux expert, but this site helps us all
[05:51] <tritium> ells, not much.  You?
[05:51] <Brunellus> oh, OK.  thanks anyway
[05:51] <odie5533> Yes, it does quite a bit
[05:52] <DarthFrog> ells: That's what Ubuntu is all about.
[05:52] <oggah> Hi, How do I get Azureus work properly
[05:52] <ells> tritium: not alot, just getting home
[05:52] <pinPoint> odie5533: is it a custom add in synaptic
[05:52] <ells> DarthFrog,  I agree
[05:52] <odie5533> Also, I tried so many distros, then I finally popped in Ubuntu LiveCD
[05:52] <odie5533> pinPoint: yes and no
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I use the deafult "system session" entry and a ~/.xsession file
[05:52] <odie5533> custom for multiverse and universe normally
[05:52] <thoreauputic> *default
[05:52] <ells> tritium: hows the paper ocming
[05:52] <ells> coming
[05:52] <tritium> ells, finished it up.
[05:52] <kevman> Ifconfig reports the eth0 as UP, and my DNS servers are reported, but I have no Internet
[05:52] <ells> tritium: really, how long is it
[05:52] <kevman> Any ideas?
[05:53] <odie5533> You can do either either way though
[05:53] <oggah> How do I add support for .mp3 with the standard musicplayer comes with Ubuntu.
[05:53] <tritium> ells, 6 pages in IEEEtran.cls LaTeX format
[05:53] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  do I understand correctly that you've set flux as your default wm?
[05:53] <ells> tritium:okay, sounds like fun, but what did alll that mean
[05:54] <HillTop> odie5533, when did you become Windows free?  For me it was when I installed Ubuntu this month. Otherwise there seemed to be a few things I needed on the other box. :)
[05:54] <kevman> No help?
[05:54] <nis> kevman: what is eth0 connected to?
[05:54] <Brunellus> but you don't use gdm, though, right.
[05:54] <odie5533> I am not windows free =/
[05:54] <tritium> ells, IEEE Transactions (for publication)
[05:54] <odie5533> nor will I ever be
[05:54] <ells> tritium: cool, sounds like alot work
[05:54] <odie5533> Cedega can not emulate my favorite game for the past 2 years, Halo PC =/
[05:54] <kevman> nis what do you mean? Its connected to the school system
[05:54] <odie5533> So I keep a dual boot... just for fun
[05:55] <caffinated> odie5533: cedega is a doorstop
[05:55] <HillTop> odie5533, So sorry. :/
[05:55] <kevman> All it normally has to do is DHCP and be on the net
[05:55] <odie5533> Then again
[05:55] <ells> tritium: I am getting that hard drive on tuesday, can I set it up without reformatting or installing
[05:55] <nis> kevman: /sbin/ifconfig should tell u your IP adrs.
[05:55] <caffinated> odie5533: the sad fact of the matter is, linux just isn't that good for games yet
[05:55] <odie5533> Halo PC was made by MS
[05:55] <caffinated> odie5533: i doubt that has anything to do with it
[05:55] <odie5533> So I wouldnt think it would be easy to emulate
[05:55] <oggah> How do I add support for .mp3 with the standard musicplayer comes with Ubuntu?
[05:55] <tritium> ells, which one?
[05:55] <odie5533> So sure? It emulates HL2, which is almost the same as Halo
[05:56] <ells> tritium; for the desktop
[05:56] <kevman> nis: Its being reported in base16, which is unusual.
[05:56] <ells> tritium; the 120 gig
[05:56] <odie5533> Linux isn't great for games at all... they should make a DX for linux
[05:56] <odie5533> or the equivelent
[05:56] <odie5533> Also, what language is... for instance Fire
[05:56] <nis> kevman: should be a dotted quad, unless you're talking about the MAC adrs.
[05:56] <odie5533> FireFox or GAIM made in?
[05:56] <caffinated> odie5533: uh, halo and halflife 2 are *worlds* apart
[05:56] <pinPoint> DarthFrog: i noticed its ftp location
[05:57] <caffinated> they don't even use the same engine
[05:57] <tritium> ells, yes, depending on what you want to do with it
[05:57] <odie5533> caffinated: no.. both use the same DX version, thats loads close
[05:57] <pinPoint> those are allowed in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:57] <odie5533> I meant emulating it, not how they were made
[05:57] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: Which ftp location?
[05:57] <pinPoint> marrialnt
[05:57] <kevman> nis: Its not.
[05:57] <caffinated> odie5533: that doesn't mean anything.  there is more to the translation layer than what version of DX gets used.
[05:57] <ells> tritium: nice, I was hoping to add it to my total space
[05:57] <ells> tritium: if need be, I guess I can do that
[05:57] <odie5533> I haven't looked into it sadly, so you are most likely right
[05:57] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: :-)  I'm watching a Dire Straits DVD and have lost track of things.
[05:57] <ells> tritium: what would be the easiest method to set them up
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> How do I find out what version of Ubuntu I am running
[05:57] <tritium> ells, you'll have to mount it somewhere
[05:58] <odie5533> I have no use to, I can't program at all in anything but Java... and even that I am not good at all
[05:58] <kevman> It says inet6 addr: fe80::250::2cff:fe07:7968/64
[05:58] <caffinated> odie5533: the point of the matter is, there are *lots* of games that don't work in cedega.  or work badly.
[05:58] <nis> kevman: I've never seen that. eth0 should have 'inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' as 2nd line.
[05:58] <DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: cat /etc/issue
[05:58] <ells> tritium: okay Mike, well, if I reinstall ubuntu it should hook things up for me right
[05:58] <odie5533> Are games easily made for Linux?
[05:58] <ells> sort of
[05:58] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[05:58] <kevman> Well, it is strange... How can I correct it?
[05:58] <tritium> ells, heh, again?
[05:58] <odie5533> how hard is it to make a game? Harder than windows?
[05:58] <caffinated> odie5533: are games easily made for windows? ;)
[05:58] <kevman> Not use ipV6?
[05:58] <tritium> you reinstall every other day ;)
[05:59] <odie5533> comparatively I meant
[05:59] <ells> tritium: rather not, ,but just want to do the easiest way with this hard drive
[05:59] <ells> tritium: can it just be mounted for space
[05:59] <caffinated> odie5533: sure.  if thought was put in during design time to make a linux port, it's not that hard.
[05:59] <DarthFrog> There is no significant difference between making games for Windows or Linux, depending upon the graphics libraries used.
[05:59] <nis> kevman: oh, maybe that's ipv6!  I never seen that.  No clue.
[05:59] <odie5533> I may end up saying ah well I'll just make my games in java, but c++ is too much faster...
[05:59] <ells> tritium: formatted in ext3 and then used for programs and files
[05:59] <tritium> ells, yes, just pick where you want to mount it
[05:59] <kevman> ...
[05:59] <caffinated> odie5533: but the fact is, that there is very little profit in making games for linux.
[06:00] <kevman> Is there any way to revert to ipv4?
[06:00] <ells> tritium: what would you recommend mike
[06:00] <odie5533> :(
[06:00] <arek> 95% of game is graphic art and sound ...
[06:00] <odie5533> I would buy them!!!
[06:00] <caffinated> loki proved that when they went belly up, even though their ports were really nice.
[06:00] <odie5533> arek: 95% is easy stuff to ;)
[06:00] <tritium> ells, it's a personal preference, really, so I'm no tsure.
[06:00] <tritium> not sure
[06:00] <ells> caffinated, they should have been in the pc and linux market
[06:00] <nis> kevman: first I'd look in the man page for ifconfig to see if you can get that reported normally etc.
[06:00] <ells> tritium: cool man
[06:00] <arek> odie5533: no thats the hardest part
[06:00] <odie5533> I was reading a tutorial on designing 3d game engines, entirely over my head none-the-less quite challenging
[06:00] <caffinated> ells: yes, but there is no money in porting windows games to windows ;)
[06:00] <arek> rest is easy
[06:01] <caffinated> ells: all the games they were doing already had companies selling windows versions.
[06:01] <odie5533> I disagree... to design a fully 3d game engine requires an amazing amount of math knowledge, that of course I have yet to learn
[06:01] <ells> caffinated, okay, i get what you were saying
[06:01] <odie5533> What graphics libs are there for linux?
[06:01] <Zyan> Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any strange ndiswrapper problems with Hoary. I have to modprobe -r after every reboot to get the card to work
[06:01] <arek> odie5533: well you got other game engines to take ideas from
[06:01] <odie5533> No directx I know that
[06:01] <odie5533> arek: thats called stealing ;D
[06:02] <arek> thats life
[06:02] <odie5533> and unless you are called MS, you don't do that
[06:02] <caffinated> odie5533: depending on license, it could be called contributing
[06:02] <ells> tritium: mike you ever play UT2004
[06:02] <tritium> ells, No, I'm not really a gamer
[06:02] <caffinated> odie5533: MS doesn't steal code.
[06:02] <nis> Zyan: I'd just write a boot script that does that (modprobe -r) if it works. ;)
[06:02] <odie5533> Yes they do...
[06:02] <pinS> odie5533, is this good?
[06:02] <ells> tritium: I am not really either, ,but the graphics on the laptop are awesome
[06:02] <odie5533> for instance... java? lol
[06:02] <arek> there are some engines with open source are they?
[06:02] <odie5533> pinS: is what good?
[06:03] <caffinated> odie5533: an implimentation of something doesn't imply code theft.
[06:03] <pinS> odie5533, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat hoary marillat
[06:03] <odie5533> arek: I doubt they are commercial
[06:03] <pinS> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat hoary marillat
[06:03] <Zyan> nis: I'd much rather get it working right =( never had to do that before
[06:03] <Fackamato> quake3 is open source
[06:03] <Fackamato> have a look at that
[06:03] <odie5533> no I thought
[06:03] <odie5533> that marillat used unstable
[06:03] <caffinated> odie5533: that's like saying openoffice stole from microsoft because it can open word documents.
[06:03] <odie5533> instead of hoary
[06:03] <odie5533> open office didn't loose a lawsuit for it though did they?
[06:04] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Ubuntu can use Debian repos.
[06:04] <caffinated> odie5533: right, because they didn't steal code.  they implimented an idea.
[06:04] <odie5533> not named incorrectly? I though
[06:04] <caffinated> odie5533: and microsoft didn't steal code either.
[06:04] <odie5533> I thought they did, at least a while ago
[06:04] <odie5533> before I was born
[06:04] <caffinated> hell, they don't *need* to steal code.  they can outright buy anything they need.
[06:05] <odie5533> they also steal money... but it isn't illegal how they did it
[06:05] <odie5533> windows for example, in itself was made from money taken from IBM
[06:05] <caffinated> odie5533: i think you should spend some time studying the corporate model.
[06:05] <pinS> odie5533, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SIUA2D86.html
[06:05] <geneo93> caffinated:  i beg ti differ on that last statement
[06:05] <ells> tritium: well mike,  gotta go,  I am supposed to be moving the desktop
[06:05] <odie5533> ms was supposed to make OS2 was it, and used the money for Windows
[06:05] <caffinated> geneo93: i figured you might :)
[06:05] <mike_douglas> sound problems with latest hoary. /dev/dsp is busy, yet lsof isn't reporting any processes holding it and there are no sound servers open.
[06:05] <tritium> ells, have a good night.  I'm going to get to bed early myself. :)
[06:05] <ells> tritium: later Mike
[06:06] <nis> Zyan: how about a kernel rebuild and change M to Y for that module?
[06:06] <odie5533> Wheres is the sources file located for apt-get?
[06:06] <odie5533> It escapes me at the moment
[06:06] <pinS> /etc/apt/sources.lisst
[06:06] <Zyan> nis: that may do it, didn't think about that.
[06:06] <rempresent> word
[06:06] <kevman> Well, I used ifconfig to change my Ip version to 4, and it ignored the command
[06:06] <geneo93> caffinated:  i dont think you were around in the early days
[06:06] <odie5533> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:07] <caffinated> geneo93: that's possible, but how far back is "the early days" for you?
[06:07] <rempresent> question:  i want to enable the windows sharing network that is in the network settings, what packages do i need to download to get that to work?
[06:07] <caffinated> geneo93: i mean, i started programming on a TI-99/4A
[06:07] <calc> caffinated: wow you are old :)
[06:07] <virtuald> caffinated: is that a calculator?
[06:07] <odie5533> caffinated: I did the same! but on a DOS prompt, then a Ti-83+ ;D
[06:07] <caffinated> virtuald: no
[06:07] <calc> virtuald: almost
[06:07] <virtuald> :P
[06:08] <calc> ti99/4a was a real computer but was nearly as small as a graphing calculator
[06:08] <geneo93> i had a trs-80
[06:08] <virtuald> ok
[06:08] <caffinated> calc: no, it was about the same size as a trash-80
[06:08] <odie5533> it was a real computer
[06:08] <odie5533> ;)
[06:08] <odie5533> good one too, super fast
[06:08] <KarlosII> :>
[06:08] <caffinated> i owned 2 of those too
[06:08] <odie5533> top-of-the-line
[06:08] <odie5533> Amazingly fast eh?
[06:08] <odie5533> I couldn't believe the speed
[06:08] <pinS> odie5533, GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:08] <caffinated> heh, 'fast' is such a relative term
[06:09] <calc> caffinated: i must be thinking of one of the other ti99 then
[06:09] <odie5533> pinS: I don't know what that means, but I got that too
[06:09] <calc> caffinated: yea the 4a was bigger than i am remembering
[06:09] <caffinated> calc: yeah, probably.  sec, i'll see if i can find a picture for you
[06:09] <odie5533> caffinated: quite :D
[06:09] <nis> kevman: This isn't quite related, but it may put you onto the right idea:  cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[06:09] <calc> or maybe i was just thinking of the sinclair, not really sure
[06:09] <DarthFrog> pinPoint: You can safely ignore that.
[06:09] <odie5533> then I had a computer, desktop, which loaded DOS in under 10 minutes!!!
[06:10] <calc> though the ti99/2 was somewhat smaller
[06:10] <pinPoint> k
[06:10] <odie5533> I couldn't believe the blazing speed of that baby
[06:10] <kevman> OK, WTF is a sit0?
[06:10] <caffinated> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=236
[06:10] <odie5533> kevman: where do you see it?
[06:10] <JDahl> around what time was that? I remember getting an Amstrad 464 around 85
[06:10] <caffinated> there she is, in all her outmoded glory ;)
[06:10] <odie5533> or is it one of those random messages that just come up 'sit0'
[06:10] <kevman> Its in ifconfig, along with lo and eth0
[06:11] <virtuald> ip over ip tunnel
[06:11] <kevman> Its "Ipv6-in-IPv4"
[06:11] <kevman> Why would I use that? Can I use just straight ipV4?
[06:11] <DarthFrog> kevman:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
[06:11] <virtuald> if you want a tunnel to the ipv6 internet
[06:11] <jsgotangco> sit0 is an ipv6 thingie
[06:12] <DarthFrog> kevman: It's a tunnel.
[06:12] <calc> caffinated: yea i probably am thinking of the sinclair
[06:12] <caffinated> ooh, those were nice
[06:12] <caffinated> the little ones?
[06:12] <pinS> odie5533, works like a charm but where's my audio
[06:12] <calc> caffinated: yea
[06:12] <caffinated> with the touchpad kinda keys?
[06:12] <pinS> and the video appears interlaced
[06:12] <calc> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=639
[06:12] <pinS> can it be deint'ed
[06:12] <odie5533> Press [ALT]  + [S] 
[06:12] <odie5533> change as much as you want
[06:12] <odie5533> set the level to master though
[06:12] <nis> kevman: I'd trace the entire boot procedure, starting with /etc/inittab
[06:13] <caffinated> calc: i think i was thinking of a slightly newer model, but i remember those.  they rocked :)
[06:13] <odie5533> What does deinterlaced mean anyways? :D
[06:13] <pinS> you dont see motion lines
[06:13] <pinS> on fast scenes
[06:13] <odie5533> Is that bad?
[06:13] <pinS> well i do video and i tend to notice that alot
[06:13] <pinS> lol
[06:13] <odie5533> I constantly see motion lines, is that really fixable? :D
[06:14] <pinS> video habit
[06:14] <odie5533> I noticed skipping... thats what I hate
[06:14] <pinS> but its cool
[06:14] <calc> caffinated: its been roughly 16yr since i saw it so i don't really recall what it looked like
[06:14] <odie5533> it drives me crazy, skipping
[06:14] <kevman> nis, I'd abandon Linux first.
[06:14] <odie5533> I actually rebootted to windows to watch a DVD before :D
[06:14] <pinS> lol
[06:14] <caffinated> calc: i know the feeling.  i used  lot of different boxes over the years.  i can't even remember the system commands for a lot of them anymore ;)
[06:15] <odie5533> pinS: so will deinterlacing show or remove motion lines?
[06:15] <calc> caffinated: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=76 <- that was the first computer i used
[06:15] <pinS> removes them
[06:15] <odie5533> pinS: press the letter [
[06:15] <pinS> its sort like progressiveness
[06:15] <odie5533> [I] 
[06:15] <odie5533> it will deinterlace if you press i
[06:15] <pinS> ah
[06:15] <caffinated> calc: heh, i kinda skipped the whole atari scene with the exception of the 2600, which can't really be considered a computer in the same respect.
[06:15] <calc> yea
[06:15] <Jeezis> when installing files (like games) using 'apt-get install' how do i get shortcuts into the k menu
[06:16] <DarthFrog> caffinated:  BTW, your nick is misspelled.  It's spelled: caffeine. Your nick should be caffeinated.:-)
[06:16] <caffinated> DarthFrog: very observant.
[06:16] <calc> i went from a 400 -> 800xl -> 386sx16
[06:16] <caffinated> calc: during that whole time i was on my apple binge.  back when apple made good computers.
[06:17] <Jeezis> when installing files (like games) using 'apt-get install' how do i get shortcuts into the k menu?
[06:17] <calc> macs and ibms were a bit expensive back then so we just used the ataris heh
[06:17] <caffinated> i had a lot of fun with everything pre-mac.  when they dropped support for the ] [gs, i dropped support for apple.
[06:17] <calc> ah
[06:17] <poize> what package repos does ubuntul use by default? apt-get.org.... or?
[06:17] <caffinated> and never went back
[06:17] <caffinated> too bad, i miss my GS
[06:18] <DarthFrog> caffinated: I played with a 128k Mac when they first came out.  Seemed like a toy to me.
[06:18] <calc> i came pretty close to getting a IIgs in 86
[06:18] <caffinated> DarthFrog: they still are imo ;)
[06:18] <DarthFrog> caffinated: Not with OS X.  Not anymore.
[06:18] <calc> i guess it was just too expensive for my parents to afford
[06:18] <caffinated> DarthFrog: still a toy to me.  an expensive toy.
[06:19] <odie5533> Does anyone know if there are any "good" 3d games for linux?
[06:19] <caffinated> my problem isn't really with the hardware though, as much as it is with steve jobs.
[06:19] <HillTop> calc, My first computer was http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=191&st=1   Commodore Pet.  Actually did useful computations on it back in '77 or so.
[06:19] <odie5533> or are they non-existant?
[06:19] <pinS> odie5533, where's the little control bar? i lost it
[06:19] <odie5533> pinS: [G] 
[06:19] <calc> odie5533: UT, quake, etc
[06:19] <DarthFrog> odie5533: as in linux only?
[06:19] <pinS> what you memorize all
[06:19] <odie5533> Yes, Linux only
[06:19] <calc> HillTop: heh thats a bit before my time
[06:19] <DarthFrog> odie5533: www.tuxgames.org
[06:19] <caffinated> gltron$#@!
[06:20] <odie5533> cant find =/
[06:20] <caffinated> how can you not love gltron? ;)
[06:20] <HillTop> calc, OK  :)
[06:20] <poize> what package repos does ubuntul use by default? apt-get.org.... or? <-- ?
[06:20] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Make that: http://www.linuxgames.com/  instead. :-)
[06:20] <caffinated> woot, it's in the hoary repositories
[06:20] <kevman> I'm rebooting, lets see what happens
[06:21] <DarthFrog> odie5533: And www.tuxgames.com not .org   My bad.
[06:21] <Fackamato> how do I create my own initrd image?
[06:21] <caffinated> odie5533: you're going to find rapidly though, that linux games, especially the OSS ones, are 99% crap.
[06:21] <calc> i would have loved to have had an amiga back when they came out, but they cost even more than the IIgs
[06:21] <Fackamato> for use with grub and my newly configured kenrel
[06:21] <DarthFrog> Fackamato:  man mkinitrd
[06:22] <odie5533> :(
[06:22] <caffinated> odie5533: unfortunatly, making quality games still kinda revolve around a paycheck
[06:22] <Jeezis> after install packages using apt-get do you have to reboot before you can use them?
[06:22] <DarthFrog> Jeezis: No.
[06:22] <jdub> Jeezis: no
[06:22] <nis> Jeezis: rarely.
[06:22] <odie5533> ah I'll stick with runescape ;D 100k players on 24/7 almost
[06:23] <DarthFrog> Jeezis: The only time you really have to reboot linux is to change either your kernel or your hardware.  And sometimes not even then (PCMCIA). :-)
[06:23] <Jeezis> ok, thanks...then how do i figure out where the hell they are installed too? :-p
[06:23] <jdub> Jeezis: what did you install?
[06:23] <kevman> Or when you go from ipv6 to ipv4
[06:23] <Jeezis> some games
[06:23] <nis> Jeezis: which <program>
[06:24] <Jeezis> nethack, prboom, pingus
[06:24] <DarthFrog> kevman: Not even then.
[06:24] <jdub> Jeezis: you should be able to type all of those names in at the command line, and they will work
[06:24] <regeya> odie5533: some would argue that "good game" and "3d" rarely go together, but that's rare
[06:24] <Jeezis> ah, ok
[06:24] <caffinated> oops, xcompmngr doesn't like opengl heh
[06:24] <kevman> OK, now I don't have an IP at all
[06:25] <odie5533> I disagree, for me if a game is not 3d or a classic, it is not worth playing
[06:25] <caffinated> X went down for the count over that
[06:25] <Jeezis> but lets say i wanted to place shortcuts to them on my desktop?
[06:25] <kevman> Now what>
[06:25] <nis> Jeezis: you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<program>.list too.
[06:25] <Jeezis> ah, ok :-p
[06:25] <jdub> caffinated: COMPOSITE and glx don't work together atm
[06:25] <daniels> jdub: well, they sort of do on nvidia
[06:25] <regeya> odie5533: just to throw my own two bits in well after the fact:  at this point, I'd suggest dual-booting windows, or sticking with a game console.  linux just isn't on the radar of most game companies.
[06:25] <jdub> Jeezis: dpkg -L <package>
[06:25] <pinS> kevman, is your card active in network-admin
[06:25] <caffinated> jdub: heh, i think i just figured that out when everything exploded ;)
[06:25] <jdub> daniels: since a month ago?
[06:25] <daniels> jdub: since 1.0.6629
[06:25] <daniels> which is in hoary
[06:26] <kevman> pinS, yes
[06:26] <Jeezis> jdub: many thanks
[06:26] <Fackamato> can I create an initrd for a kernel which is not currently running?
[06:26] <jdub> daniels: you're going to make me test this, aren't you?
[06:26] <daniels> jdub: eh, you can if you want.  closed drivers are all the same to me.
[06:26] <daniels> jdub: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" off the top of my head
[06:27] <jdub> daniels: aha, extra option :)
[06:27] <nis> jdub: yours is better. ;)
[06:27] <caffinated> daniels: i have that, it didn't work very well heh
[06:27] <jdub> daniels: likelihood of COMPOSITE being useful in general for breezy?
[06:27] <DarthFrog> Fackamato: Yes.  Read the manpage for mkinitrd.
[06:27] <daniels> jdub: HA HA
[06:27] <pinS> i think im going to reboot
[06:27] <daniels> jdub: breezy+1, probably
[06:27] <kevman> Dammit
[06:27] <daniels> jdub: modularisation is more important
[06:27] <jdub> daniels: yeah
[06:28] <kevman> How do I force a DHCP request?
[06:29] <daniels> sudo dhclient interfacename
[06:29] <bob2> which will fuck up if dhclient is already in the background
[06:30] <kevman> Why aren't I getting an IP.....?
[06:31] <linux_galore> downloaded Kubuntu live CD..... loads the kernel then does a hardware detection thing then about 80% of the way through cant find the CD drive
[06:31] <pinPoint> kevman: that card is set to dhcp right?
[06:31] <pinPoint> in network-admin
[06:32] <odie5533> do people still play StarCraft? (linux maybe?)
[06:32] <kevman> Yes sit
[06:32] <kevman> sir*
[06:32] <pinPoint> odie5533: used to, windows 98
[06:32] <odie5533> ah
[06:32] <pinPoint> :)
[06:32] <kevman> There's a Linux Starcraft? Or you talking WINE?
[06:32] <caffinated> odie5533: it's not really worth playing online anymore - too many people cheat.  but it's still widely played.
[06:32] <caffinated> kevman: wine will play it
[06:32] <DarthFrog> kevman: Starcraft runs under wine.
[06:32] <odie5533> yeah I cheated once, but it didnt matter, I was so horrible I still lost ;D
[06:32] <pinPoint> odie5533: will xine play xvid's
[06:33] <geneo93> you want your ip addy
[06:33] <pinPoint> heh
[06:33] <linux_galore> wonder if starcraft has been ported to Linux
[06:33] <odie5533> pinPoint: yes
[06:33] <DarthFrog> linux_galore: No.
[06:33] <kevman> Oh, I'd try it, but apt WON'T WORK
[06:33] <pinPoint> odie5533: drag and drop
[06:33] <odie5533> ?
[06:33] <pinPoint> the file into xine
[06:33] <odie5533> yes
[06:33] <linux_galore> DarthFrog: let me look on liberated games
[06:33] <kevman> No DHCP offers recieved
[06:34] <kevman> Does this work with your everyday DHCP?
[06:34] <linux_galore> nice list of games that have been liberated and many work native on Linux -> http://www.liberatedgames.com/gamelisting.php
[06:35] <DarthFrog> kevman: Ubuntu works just fine with DHCP.
[06:35] <geneo93> yes
[06:35] <kevman> Eeee! Four distros, four major problems. :-/
[06:35] <kevman> Linux is not for me.
[06:36] <linux_galore> kevman: get the comercial version of mandrake or suse...... maybe some of your hardware needs binary only drivers
[06:36] <kevman> Bwahaha
[06:37] <kevman> No, and besides KNOPPIX is happy to work with my network
[06:37] <nis> Seems to me Mac-On-Linux also uses DHCP over a tunnel interface.
[06:37] <DarthFrog> kevman: Then use Knoppix?
[06:37] <linux_galore> kevman: knoppix has many none GPL drivers
[06:37] <Fackamato> that didn't go so well
[06:37] <Fackamato> said my kernel was an invalid executable format
[06:37] <Fackamato> :O
[06:37] <kevman> Well, it hsa other problems.
[06:38] <linux_galore> Fackamato: heh heh like my boot it said  it cant find the cdrom IDE device...lol it just booted from it
[06:38] <nis> kevman: Linux wants a bit of massaging.
[06:38] <kevman> Then why bother?
[06:39] <linux_galore> kevman: even windows doesnt give full support....most people never do a true raw on random hardware install
[06:39] <nis> kevman: no one knows, but we all do it.
[06:39] <kevman> Magically, Windows supports all my hardware and my school's fucked up network...
[06:40] <linux_galore> kevman: yes from an OEM install disk.........thats not a true install thats an image
[06:40] <nis> so run windows.
[06:40] <kevman> Lookit that! All of a sudden, I AM
[06:40] <kevman> I'm sorry, I'm just a little annoyed.
[06:40] <kevman> And holy shit, its 12:40. time for bed.
[06:41] <nis> it was the holy penguin pee
[06:41] <Sarah> hi guys
[06:41] <DarthFrog> nis: it always is.
[06:41] <Fackamato> brb rebppt agaom
[06:41] <nis> or for Art Bell at 0100 ;)
[06:41] <pinPoint> how do i remove a module from bootup
[06:41] <pinPoint> fglrx failed mercilessly
[06:42] <Sarah> my kernel-headers when i got them from synaptic is 2.6.10-5
[06:42] <Sarah> but my installed kernel is 2.6.10-4
[06:42] <pinPoint> sound! for my xine!
[06:42] <Sarah> i can't find a 2.6.10.5 kernel on ubuntus apt
[06:43] <DarthFrog> Sarah: have you done an update?
[06:43] <Sarah> i did apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade
[06:43] <Sarah> i mean update
[06:43] <nis> Sarah: they're probably fine.
[06:43] <Sarah> i am trying to compile ndiswrapper
[06:43] <DarthFrog> Sarah: Use Synaptic and search for it.
[06:44] <DarthFrog> Sarah: You don't have to.  Ndiswrapper is installed.
[06:44] <Sarah> oh?
[06:44] <Sarah> i did the ndiswrapper - i (the inf file of my wifi card)
[06:44] <pinPoint> yeah! it plays xvids too
[06:44] <Fackamato> same error :/(
[06:44] <Sarah> it loads fine
[06:44] <Fackamato> I have no idea what I'm doing wrong
[06:44] <pinPoint> awesomeness
[06:44] <pinPoint> my wireless nic works too
[06:45] <pinPoint> awesomeness!
[06:45] <Sarah> wlan0 shows up in my network config of available cards
[06:45] <DarthFrog> pinPoint is a happy camper.
[06:45] <_mojo> does ndiswrapper work on USB wireless adapters?
[06:45] <Sarah> but when i active it ,  it doesn't do anything
[06:45] <Sarah> i have to plug my ethernet cord in to get online
[06:45] <DarthFrog> _mojo: It should
[06:45] <pinPoint> ill stick around to help too. :)
[06:45] <Sarah> ubuntu does rock! i just miss my wifi :(
[06:46] <Sarah> ndiswrapper           109044  0
[06:46] <Sarah> usbcore               107384  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[06:46] <DarthFrog> Sarah: Do you have encryption turned on in the router?
[06:46] <Sarah> no
[06:46] <Sarah> its vanilla setup of the router
[06:47] <Sarah> no WEP or security at all
[06:47] <_mojo> its too bad wireless isnt supported well under linux.. itd be nice to see the chipset developers opensource some drivers
[06:47] <Sarah> how cna i see if the network card is even working with the driver?
[06:47] <DarthFrog> Sarah: And what happens when you issue the command "dhclient wlan0"?
[06:47] <Sarah> just sits here and does DHCPDISCOVER's
[06:48] <Sarah> whats all this sit0 weirdness?
[06:48] <_mojo> does your adapter show activity?
[06:48] <DarthFrog> _mojo: Wireless is supported quite well under Linux.  However, some of the manufacturers don't provide appropriate information for Linux to support their hardware.  But wireless itself is well supported.
[06:48] <Sarah> how can i tell if it "shows activity"
[06:49] <_mojo> link leds.. transmit leds
[06:49] <Sarah> its an adapter inside my Dell
[06:49] <Sarah> laptop
[06:49] <Sarah> no leds
[06:50] <geneo93> can you ping your router
[06:50] <geneo93> without the lancable
[06:50] <Sarah> well i am on eth0 right now
[06:50] <_mojo> not if theres no dhcp response
[06:50] <Sarah> my wlan0 doens't get a dhcp response
[06:51] <Sarah> how can i tell if its talking on my SSID
[06:51] <_mojo> you could try a tcpdump on the wlan0 interface
[06:51] <_mojo> doesnt sound like anything is actually going out though
[06:51] <Zyan> Sarah: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' show anything?
[06:52] <Sarah> no scan results
[06:52] <_mojo> what card is it?
[06:52] <Sarah> broadcom
[06:52] <_mojo> model?
[06:52] <Sarah> its inside my D600
[06:52] <Sarah> umm
[06:53] <Zyan> Sarah: ndiswrapper loaded and see card info in dmesg?
[06:53] <_mojo> oh thats an intel chipset then
[06:53] <Sarah> BCM4306
[06:53] <Sarah> mojo, no,  thats the "newer" d600's
[06:53] <_mojo> oh
[06:53] <geneo93> thats a lappy right
[06:53] <Sarah> the older ones have BCM
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[06:54] <sean_> hi all too
[06:55] <_mojo> Sarah: have you run through the wiki on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php
[06:55] <madstop> Sarah, this page has advice on Dell D600 that might help:
[06:55] <madstop> http://www.shahidhussain.com/wordpress/index.php?p=30#more-30
[06:55] <Sarah> madstop, that has the newer intel card
[06:56] <Sarah> _mojo, just a sec
[06:56] <_mojo> its got the BCM4306 listed
[06:56] <Zyan> I'm having a similar problem with ndiswrapper.. I have to modprobe -r ndiswrapper everytime I reboot or do a config change
[06:56] <Zyan> thats only with Hoary
[06:56] <nis> anyone happen to know what driver a netgear FA310TX nic uses?
[06:57] <_mojo> Sarah: they recommend using the dell provided drivers
[06:57] <Sarah> whats modprobe -r do ?
[06:57] <madstop> Sarah, it's not this card then?  Intel Wireless 2100 3A
[06:57] <helio7> to export mp3 from Audacity it's asking for the path to libmp3lame.so but I don't know where it is if I have it... I ran sudo apt-get lame but that didn't install the lib files any thoughts?
[06:57] <Sarah> madstop, no
[06:58] <Zyan> Sarah: modprobe -r.. removes the module, I run modprobe ndiswrapper again and it works fine
[06:58] <Sarah> crap, i think i just messed up something
[06:58] <Sarah> brb guys gotta kick it
[06:59] <helio7> what's the command to search apt-get?  sudo apt-get search ?
[06:59] <jdub> helio7: apt-cache search ...
[07:00] <_mojo> nis: DEC21x4x tulip
[07:01] <nis> _mojo: thanks!
[07:05] <cyklus> I'm using an IBM T40 and having trouble with battery life... ever since i installed Ubuntu my battery is drained extremely fast... anyone have any suggestions of what might be wrong?
[07:06] <KarlosII> rotflol
[07:06] <nis> jdub: That apt-cache is neat.  Never really worked with it before. tnx.
[07:07] <sean_> i have ubuntu on my AMD64 lappy and battery life is short as well
[07:07] <cyklus> sean_: its weird wasnt when i had debian... only since i installed ubuntu
[07:08] <KarlosII> sean_, short?
[07:08] <sean_> 30 min
[07:08] <cyklus> KarlosII: as in half normal battery life
[07:08] <cyklus> yeah
[07:09] <sean_> if i am lucky, nothing taxing  running
[07:09] <linux_galore> sounds like the hardisk isnt powering down on some machines
[07:09] <cyklus> my hardisk is powering down...
[07:09] <cyklus> as far as i can tell
[07:09] <sean_> mine too
[07:09] <linux_galore> to use more power something must be running more
[07:10] <caffinated> either that or the CPU isn't scaling properly
[07:10] <cyklus> my cpu is scalling to 600mhz
[07:10] <cyklus> so that should be working too
[07:10] <cyklus> 600-1500mhz
[07:10] <caffinated> or you just have a messed up battery ;)
[07:10] <linux_galore> yeah I compiled my kernel again too with a few options turned on for power management
[07:10] <sean_> mine will not scale down
[07:11] <linux_galore> sean_: compile your own kernel
[07:11] <sean_> will do
[07:11] <cyklus> Xorg is what is taking most
[07:11] <cyklus> and battery is ok.. works fine in windows (which i try never to boot.. heh)
[07:11] <linux_galore> sean_: read up on your cpu see what the preferred options are in the kernel
[07:12] <|QuaD-> i found unofficial ubuntu packages at http://schurger.org/debian/ for beagle, anyone tried them?
[07:12] <linux_galore> yeayh xorg is a cpu hog
[07:12] <cyklus> is there any good guide for compiling your own kernel in ubuntu?
[07:12] <sean_> thanks galore
[07:13] <gardio1> I find that my mouse sometimes freezes during startup
[07:13] <gardio1> any ideas?
[07:14] <sean_> it wants cheese
[07:14] <linux_galore> http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html
[07:14] <sean_> jk
[07:16] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[07:16] <nis> gardio1: disable gdm/xdm/kdm in /etc/rc2.d/
[07:17] <Roey> crimsun:  it didn't work; I did the following command:  "mkrdinit -o /boot/rdinit.img-2.6.5.11   2.6.5.11; grub-update".  That worked.  When I selected this new kernel from he GRUB menu I get this:
[07:17] <gardio1> nis: I've got gdm started.  how does disabling gdm help?  I'm happy to do that.
[07:17] <cyklus> linux_galore: thanks
[07:18] <nis> gardio1: it's a longshot, but I found xdm had mouse problems one one very old machine.
[07:18] <gardio1> I've disabled it.  Can you start X before gdm?
[07:18] <nis> gardio1: if startx works but xdm/kdm/gdm hangs, that's a starting pt
[07:19] <nis> gardio1: login on the console and then 'startx' or 'startx > logfile 2>&1 &'
[07:19] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
[07:19] <Roey> that's the error I get.
[07:19] <Roey> crimsun:  there
[07:20] <crimsun> Roey: presuming you meant mkinitrd?
[07:20] <nis> gardio1: you may want to (re)start gpm too.
[07:20] <nis> (first)
[07:20] <Roey> right
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  right.
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  mkinitrd, yes.
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  actually, that's what happens normally with grub.
[07:20] <Roey> crimsun:  the error when I booted my custom kernel is:
[07:21] <esato> hallo
[07:21] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[07:22] <Roey> crimsun:  is that.
[07:22] <gardio1> nis: I'm going to install gpm.
[07:22] <esato> how can i get a complete sourcelist of ubuntu?
[07:23] <crimsun> esato: a what?
[07:23] <cyklus> i installed a package for debian ignoring dependencies (which it doesnt need) but now everytime i try to apt-get i get dependency errors... how do i remove these dependencies?
[07:23] <esato> a full version sources.list
[07:23] <crimsun> esato: do you mean http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ ?
[07:23] <nis> gardio1: some old HOWTO suggested also reordering /etc/rc2.d/ so that gpm loads before other things competing for interrupts (notably soundblaster cards).
[07:23] <crimsun> esato: your sources.list already contains "full repositories"
[07:24] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[07:24] <linux_galore> just realised no one has done a Ubuntu kernel building howto
[07:24] <linux_galore> lots of debian stuff
[07:24] <esato> but i uncomment it ,and i get some time out errors.
[07:24] <nis> cyklus: you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/status (or available etc) by hand.
[07:24] <cyklus> linux_galore: what kernel source do i get? doesnt seem to be a unbuntu one?
[07:24] <cyklus> nis: thanks
[07:25] <Sarah> it works! :)
[07:25] <Sarah> thanks guys
[07:25] <nis> cyklus: welcome.
[07:25] <Sarah> i am wireless now
[07:25] <Sarah> :)
[07:25] <crimsun> esato: what sort of timeouts?
[07:25] <linux_galore> cyklus: there should be a kernel sources package
[07:25] <Sarah> Dell had "newer" drivers out on their site
[07:25] <esato> connection
[07:25] <Sarah> but i still have to modprobe -r everytime
[07:25] <crimsun> Roey: have you tried the default array-7 amd64 generic kernel?
[07:25] <Sarah> why does that happen?
[07:26] <cyklus> nis: worked like a charm, thanks
[07:26] <esato> for example,i connect to a url in my sources.list ,and it takes much time in connecting.
[07:26] <Zyan> sarah: I dunno.. never had to do that before. Only thing I have found that works on Hoary
[07:26] <nis> cyklus: neat.
[07:26] <linux_galore> does ubuntu have /etc/modprobe.preload
[07:26] <cyklus> linux_galore: the newest is 2.6.9, but my kernel is currently 2.9.10
[07:26] <nis> Sarah: make a boot script to handle that modprobe -r. ;)
[07:26] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth net access? I use it with OS X but don't know how to configure it on Hoary
[07:26] <jnc> i wish metacity wasn't so retarded
[07:26] <Sarah> well now that everything works... what should i do now? lol
[07:26] <jnc> it's the only thing i notice when working on ubuntu desktop
[07:26] <linux_galore> cyklus: not good
[07:27] <crimsun> jnc: hmm? What's broken with it?
[07:27] <jnc> it's not broken per-say
[07:27] <maxchee> does anyone know how to edit raw partitions using a hex editing tool?
[07:27] <Amaranth> ok, no more ubuntu-users list for me
[07:27] <jnc> there are some features i miss dearly that are in WindowMaker
[07:27] <cyklus> linux_galore: hmm any suggestions?
[07:27] <crimsun> Amaranth: the deluge has claimed you, eh/
[07:27] <Amaranth> those that help people there should be treated like gods
[07:27] <linux_galore> Sarah: usually I add the driver to  /etc/modprobe.preload
[07:28] <maxchee> or at least a way to view raw partitions
[07:28] <linux_galore> cyklus: go to  www.kernel.org  start from scratch
[07:28] <cyklus> linux_galore: another q.. does ubuntu use a straight debian kernel or? ...the source says its debian patched... is there a ubuntu patched/configured kernel?
[07:28] <nis> maxchee: what about fdisk expert mode?
[07:28] <nis> (to view it)
[07:28] <cyklus> linux_galore: good idea.. where can i get the current ubuntu kernel configuration.. so i can work from that
[07:28] <crimsun> cyklus: ubuntu's is patched above and beyond debian's
[07:28] <esato> i got an error again.
[07:29] <jnc> i would think so, cyklus
[07:29] <crimsun> cyklus: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:29] <esato> Connection timed out.
[07:29] <jnc> my SATA optical burner works with ubuntu kernel
[07:29] <gardio1> nis: Thanks for the help.  Setting up gpm seemed to do the trick
[07:29] <cyklus> crimsun: ok so where is the patched source that they use?
[07:29] <jnc> it does not work with a custom vanilla kernel
[07:29] <crimsun> cyklus: linux-tree-2.6.10
[07:29] <gardio1> nis: I have it starting before alsa
[07:29] <cyklus> crimsun: found it :)
[07:29] <cyklus> crimsun: aha... so download that.. edit config and compile? ,,,any guide for that yet?>
[07:30] <nis> gardio1: neat.
[07:30] <linux_galore> yeah as i was saying there isnt a ubuntu kernel howto so people can build there own kernels and not break things
[07:30] <Amaranth> jnc: so don't use the vanilla kernel :P
[07:31] <jnc> :)
[07:31] <jnc> i got it to read an iso9660 fs once on a debian box
[07:31] <jnc> more than that, it was not working so well
[07:31] <crimsun> cyklus: no, in that case you want to sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r) && sudo apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[07:31] <jnc> today i used it with ubuntu and burned an iso9660 disc!
[07:31] <ahijah> ...
[07:31] <Echylo> yea
[07:31] <Echylo> ...
[07:32] <Echylo> want cookie?
[07:32] <ahijah> yes please
[07:32] <ahijah> ;P
[07:32] <cyklus> crimsun: what will that do?
[07:32] <Echylo> :p
[07:33] <Amaranth> *chomp*
[07:33] <Amaranth> oh, sorry, that might have been your hand
[07:33] <Echylo> just a flesh-wound
[07:33] <Echylo> oh this not #python
[07:33] <Echylo> :p
[07:34] <saber> i'm having trouble getting postfix running. does ubuntu do anything to block connections from a machine on a private network?
[07:34] <saber> (when its it is in the same private network)
[07:34] <Amaranth> afaik ubuntu only allows connects from localhost
[07:35] <ahijah> ... ok now for the question i want to ask.... what file to i patch to update drivers?
[07:35] <crimsun> cyklus: that actually gives you the infrastructure to easily create a customized kernel
[07:35] <saber> amaranth, how can you change which incoming connections are allowed?
[07:35] <Amaranth> saber: dunno, i don't touch postfix :P
[07:35] <cyklus> crimsun: ic... what do i need to do from there to compile and install the kernel?
[07:36] <crimsun> cyklus: nothing once you've run those commands.
[07:36] <saber> well, lets consider the case where postfix is not running. how to i open up port X?
[07:36] <crimsun> cyklus: you can modify the kernel config and run debian/rules
[07:36] <gardio1> Hey anyone got mplayer firefox plugin to work without shutting of the sound?
[07:36] <cyklus> crimsun: ic.. thanks
[07:38] <maxchee> does anyone have experience with wine?
[07:39] <jdub> saber: see /etc/postfix/master.cf
[07:39] <Echylo> the only experience I have is typing "wine setup.exe"
[07:40] <maxchee> does anyone know how to set up a global fake windows drive?
[07:40] <saber> ok, jdbug
[07:40] <Echylo> doesn't wine does that auto.
[07:40] <Echylo> in /home/username/.wine/fake_windows ?
[07:40] <saber> ah perfect.. i've been digging around main.cf options
[07:40] <maxchee> Echylo: nope, it's in you directory
[07:41] <nis> maxchee: sounds like a job for the New York Times /bad joke
[07:41] <Echylo> glad you putted /bad joke
[07:41] <Echylo> ;)
[07:41] <maxchee> Echylo: which means it would be a pain to have multiple users
[07:41] <Echylo> hmm ok
[07:42] <maxchee> Echylo, basically, I need to install it in something like /usr
[07:42] <Echylo> I see
[07:42] <Echylo> can't help you with that sorry :)
[07:43] <maxchee> that's alright
[07:43] <gankzor> ok whenever I try to run any program that requires root it prompts for a password, I put in the root password but it rejects it
[07:44] <maxchee> gankzor, ubuntu does have root account by default
[07:44] <maxchee> sorry, it doesn't
[07:44] <maxchee> gankzor, did you use passwd -s?
[07:45] <gankzor> I can su in a regular terminal and type in my root password and login to root
[07:45] <KarlosII> :> applications/system & tools/root terminal works
[07:45] <KarlosII> :)
[07:45] <KarlosII> menu
[07:45] <gankzor> no, no it doesnt that is the problem
[07:45] <hypa7ia> quick question boys and girls, camorama can see my pwc webcam but gnomemeeting errors on trying to open  /dev/video0 .  any ideas?
[07:46] <maxchee> gankzor, that graphical prompt is gksudo
[07:46] <maxchee> gankzor: enter your own passwd
[07:46] <KarlosII> use menu item /applications/system & tools/root terminal works
[07:46] <KarlosII> gankzor, :)
[07:47] <gankzor> that is backasswards, why would it ask for my user acct password to open the root terminal
[07:47] <maxchee> gankzor: sudo?
[07:47] <maxchee> gankzor: at least it's safer than a root account
[07:47] <gankzor> true
[07:47] <KarlosII> :/
[07:47] <gankzor> it just threw me off :) thanks for the help
[07:48] <hypa7ia> gankzor: because otherwise i could walk up to your computer and open a root terminal and leave nasty cron jobs that reboot your machine every hour :-p
[07:48] <maxchee> gankzor: just use the run as utility/root terminal if you need to run as root
[07:48] <KarlosII> it threw me for a loop, spent 5 mins figureing out how to access root
[07:48] <KarlosII> :>
[07:48] <gankzor> yea thanks maxchee I got it now
[07:48] <hypa7ia> heheh, i think i was on here when i first ran into it, back in october :-)
[07:48] <waxhead> hi everyone
[07:49] <jdub> gankzor: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[07:49] <maxchee> does hoary have a boot splash?
[07:50] <KarlosII> of course
[07:50] <jdub> gankzor: using a *normal* terminal, type sudo -i
[07:50] <jdub> maxchee: no
[07:50] <gankzor> right now I have a 2 headed display set up, is there a multi monitor setting that I can just have my second monitor a blank desktop that I can drag other windows to
[07:50] <odie5533> I installed kubuntu, anyway to delete all that stuff? Kubuntu = worst mistake
[07:50] <hypa7ia> maxchee: not as of my last reboot
[07:50] <waxhead> what's happening with "general" support of webcams for hoary?
[07:50] <jdub> gankzor: yes, but atm, you need you need to tweak xorg.conf
[07:50] <maxchee> thx, I thought there was something wrong with my machine. since usplash was so hyped
[07:51] <maxchee> jdub: is it not planned for hoary?
[07:51] <hypa7ia> odie5533: use synaptic and do a "complete removal", not sure what the metapackage is called, is it just kde?
[07:51] <jdub> maxchee: didn't make it
[07:51] <waxhead> I made the mistake of just buying a logitech camera...
[07:51] <tabmoW> anyone using the hoary preview ?
[07:51] <maxchee> tabmoW: yes
[07:51] <waxhead> any date set for the release of hoary?
[07:51] <tabmoW> maxchee: how is it?
[07:51] <fabbione> waxhead: hmmm why?
[07:51] <hypa7ia> waxhead: there's a new PWC driver in the kernel, it's what i'm working on getting working right now :-)
[07:51] <maxchee> tabmoW: great!
[07:51] <odie5533> I did a plain removal, it wont let me do a complete removal now....
[07:52] <jdub> odie5533: sudo apt-get remove --purge libqt3c102-mt
[07:52] <waxhead> hypa7ia, is there?
[07:52] <maxchee> tabmoW: just make sure you can live with no menu editing
[07:52] <tabmoW> maxchee: cool - downloading the kubuntu hoary preview now ;oP
[07:52] <jdub> odie5533: read the list to make sure it's not removing stuff you want
[07:52] <hypa7ia> works /great/ with camorama, but appears that gnomemeeting is kinda broken
[07:52] <waxhead> I'm still on warty, and just did an upgrade of all packages, the kernel included...
[07:52] <hypa7ia> waxhead: yup!  have you installed camorama?
[07:52] <gankzor> jdub what needs to be set differently in xorg.conf?
[07:52] <odie5533> read what list?
[07:52] <tabmoW> maxchee: i am going to install it ;oP
[07:52] <hypa7ia> waxhead: should be there then
[07:52] <jdub> gankzor: lots of stuff, best to find a guide via google
[07:52] <waxhead> hypa7ia, no... I'll just do it...
[07:53] <maxchee> tabmoW: kubuntu is also very nice.
[07:53] <jdub> odie5533: when you type in that command and press enter, you'll see a list.
[07:53] <hypa7ia> grr arrgh.  i think gnomemeeting may just not work with my cam at the moment. alas :-/
[07:53] <odie5533> If there is something I want? :D
[07:53] <maxchee> tabmoW: although I tried it, I find a fresh install of kubuntu would be less messy
[07:53] <tabmoW> yer
[07:53] <odie5533> K3B... only cd burning software I could fine =/
[07:54] <KarlosII> the best
[07:54] <maxchee> odie5533: haven't tried gnomebaker?
[07:54] <waxhead> hypa7ia, I'll have to reboot though... is the module enabled, or will I have to add it to modules.conf?
[07:54] <odie5533> nope, never heard of it
[07:54] <jdub> odie5533: that's easy enough to add back (and it'll be in your cache)
[07:54] <KarlosII> nerolinux is not very good I hear but I have yet to try it to see if the rumours are true
[07:54] <hypa7ia> waxhead: pwc should load when you plug the cam in
[07:55] <gankzor> I screwed up xorg earlier so it disable my graphical logon, how do I re enable it?
[07:55] <maxchee> I am stilling waiting for rhythmbox to adding burning support
[07:55] <ells> has anyone got dvdshrink to work in wine
[07:55] <mass> gankzor: how did you disable it?
[07:55] <hypa7ia> waxhead: does the light go on when you plug it in?
[07:55] <gankzor> xorg disabled it when I had the settings screwed up
[07:55] <maxchee> ells: did you use the wine repository?
[07:55] <gankzor> actually I haven't rebooted since I fixed xorg so it might work
[07:55] <ells> maxchee, what ya mean
[07:55] <mass> try (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:56] <maxchee> ells: go to www.winehq.org
[07:56] <gankzor> mass: thanks
[07:56] <ells> maxchee, i cannot get dvdshrink to work properly
[07:56] <maxchee> ells: that's because you are not using the latest version of wine
[07:56] <ells> maxchee, okay
[07:56] <maxchee> ells: which is released very frequently
[07:56] <ells> maxchee, can you give me the entire source name
[07:56] <waxhead> hypa7ia, ahh... no /dev/vedeo0
[07:56] <waxhead> hypa7ia, /dev/video0 even
[07:56] <waxhead> what abotu getting an ATI card up and running on warty?  any pointers...
[07:56] <odie5533> What does --purge do, the documentation on it is rather... it makes no sense
[07:56] <hypa7ia> waxhead: what program is telling you that?
[07:57] <waxhead> camorama
[07:57] <hypa7ia> really? weird, yeah, give it a reboot then :-)
[07:57] <maxchee> ells: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[07:57] <maxchee> ells: deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[07:57] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth / mac on linux?
[07:57] <waxhead> hypa7ia, light?
[07:57] <ells> maxchee, thanks
[07:57] <ells> maxchee, are you using dvdshrink
[07:57] <hypa7ia> waxhead: on the cam
[07:57] <waxhead> hypa7ia, it's a quick cam express....
[07:58] <KarlosII> odie5533, it purges all configuration files in your home dir for that program
[07:58] <waxhead> hypa7ia, no light... lsusb sees it though: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:0920 Logitech, Inc.
[07:58] <maxchee> ells: nope, but wine evolves very quickly
[07:58] <hypa7ia> oh yeah, might not have one... the record light on my QC for notebooks blinks when i plugit in :-)
[07:58] <odie5533> if I dont --purge when uninstalling something is that bad?
[07:58] <maxchee> ells: if it doesn't work. Try vmware
[07:58] <hypa7ia> folks, should i be filing the pwc gnomemeeting bug on our bugzilla or the gnomemeeting one?
[07:58] <waxhead> hypa7ia, so I don't have to enable any modules before I reboot
[07:58] <ells> maxchee, really,
[07:58] <ells> maxchee, where can one get vmware
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: you can get a trial version from vmware.com
[07:59] <odie5533> Can I get a list of removed packages that have not been purged?
[07:59] <KarlosII> odie5533, nope....just leaves the configuration files there and if you reinstall u don't have to setup again sometimes
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: it's rather messy though
[07:59] <ells> maxchee, what all does it do
[07:59] <odie5533> many packages I didn't purge I will never use again....
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: allowing you to run windows on linux
[07:59] <hypa7ia> waxhead: pwc maybe?
[07:59] <maxchee> ells: at around 80% the speed
[07:59] <ells> maxchee, okay
[07:59] <KarlosII> ells, doesn't have directx video support
[07:59] <hypa7ia> waxhead: not sure tho, i just plug it in and it works :-/
[08:00] <waxhead> hypa7ia, hahaha... ok then
[08:00] <waxhead> not the case here... I'll try rebooting and see what happens.
[08:00] <sabmoc> maxchee, hey, hows it hanging?
[08:00] <KarlosII> ells, if you need to use windows apps, then use crossover office
[08:01] <Echylo> gtg school time!
[08:01] <sabmoc> maxchee, remember me?
[08:01] <maxchee> jdub: how come switching to the human theme does not switch to the corresponding cursor theme?
[08:01] <ells> KarlosII this is true, but 1. it wont work in Hoary properly 2. dvdshrink wont work properly, ASPI error or something on the dvd
[08:01] <maxchee> sabmoc: from yesterday
[08:01] <maxchee> sabmoc: the wiki?
[08:01] <sabmoc> yes
[08:01] <sabmoc> maxchee, use gcursor
[08:02] <maxchee> sabmoc: I know, but I kind of expected that to be automatic
[08:02] <sabmoc> they call it 'human' cursor theme but its really just jimmac's cursor theme, I hope someone asked him if its ok to change the name.
[08:02] <maxchee> sabmoc: Or else they should add a tab to the mosue panel.
[08:02] <sabmoc> maxchee, yeah well I didnt know about gcursor, i just installed it manually and found out after the fact
[08:03] <maxchee> sabmoc: I thought it was the official cursor because it was the default one on the warty preview live cd
[08:03] <sabmoc> maxchee, thats a pretty good idea, I bet thats what is already being planned by the gnome team
[08:03] <sabmoc> no, its not packaged with xorg
[08:04] <sabmoc> the glass cursors are packaged, but I dont really like them
[08:05] <sabmoc> maxchee, did you see the CanadianTeam wiki yet?
[08:05] <maxchee> sabmoc: actually, I think you can change the cursor theme in the theme config dialogue
[08:05] <maxchee> sabmoc: address?
[08:05] <sabmoc> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[08:05] <DemisM> can someone give me the ubuntu repositories list?
[08:06] <sabmoc> maxchee, the config dialogue of what?
[08:08] <maxchee> sabmoc: System/Pref/Theme, then click on Theme details. I am glad that the gnome team didn't leave this out.
[08:08] <quar> How can i get hoary to play DVD's what packages do i need?
[08:08] <maxchee> sabmoc: so no, gcursor is not completely necessary
[08:09] <bob2> quar: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:09] <bob2> pretty sure that's in the FAQ
[08:09] <maxchee> sabmoc: btw, very nice page. Hopefully you can get some CAnadian stuff on there.
[08:09] <hypa7ia> there's a canadian team? sign me up!
[08:09] <hypa7ia> already ran into someone from the local 2600 crew in here completely randomly :-)
[08:10] <sabmoc> maxchee, im not sure what you mean, system/pref/theme/details is just for nautilus and other app icons, not xcursor icon.
[08:10] <sabmoc> hypa7ia, sign yourself up :)
[08:10] <sabmoc> hypa7ia, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[08:10] <quar> whats the full APT line that needs to be added for malliant?
[08:11] <hypa7ia> methinks i will :-)
[08:11] <hypa7ia> do you guys need hosting for ubuntu-ca.org?
[08:11] <Jeezis> apt-get install blobwars
[08:11] <sabmoc> Jeezis, yeah I got adicted to that for like a month
[08:11] <maxchee> sabmoc: the .icons folder?
[08:12] <maxchee> sabmoc: isn't that the cursor folder?
[08:12] <ells> maxchee, no dice, it still would not work properly
[08:12] <sabmoc> maxchee, I think thats for desktop icons, does it work for the xcursor as well?
[08:12] <ells> does anyone know of another way to compress video
[08:12] <maxchee> sabmoc: well the folder is right
[08:13] <DemisM> hmm, I have a question if I have debian net-install which is the minimal install and then i have to net install through apt, if I add only the ubuntu repositories will I pretty much have ubuntu?
[08:13] <maxchee> ells: do you have to use dvdshrink
[08:13] <ells> maxchee, hopefully not
[08:13] <hypa7ia> yay i reported a bug :-)
[08:13] <maxchee> ells: debian-marillat has a lot of dvd backup utililties
[08:13] <gankzor> I have libmpeg3-1 installed, rhythm box still says it can't decode mp3 files though
[08:13] <ells> maxchee, I just need a way to shrink down video
[08:13] <ells> maxchee, yeap, got it, but it wont shrink video
[08:13] <maxchee> ells: transcoding to xvid?
[08:13] <ells> could try I suppose
[08:14] <difeta> is there a gnome UI that lets me change the colors of the currently selected theme?
[08:14] <sabmoc> maxchee, the folder is right, so you place the xcursor icon in there and it will find it after you edit the default cursor file?
[08:14] <ells> maxchee, but I wanted to copy a dvd ya know
[08:14] <New2ubuntu> I can't get tuxracer to work anymore
[08:14] <New2ubuntu> i downlaoded it
[08:14] <New2ubuntu> I installed it
[08:14] <gankzor> what else beside libmpeg3-1 do I need to install to play mp3 files?
[08:14] <maxchee> ells: I think marillat is just what you need
[08:15] <New2ubuntu> apt-get install says it is currently in the latest version
[08:15] <ells> maxchee, how so
[08:15] <New2ubuntu> but when i run the command tuxracer the thing doesn't open
[08:15] <maxchee> ells: go to doom9 forum. It will offer some help
[08:15] <maxchee> ells: libdcss
[08:15] <hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: try runnign it from the console?  see if you get any error messages
[08:15] <quar> Can someone give me a full source list for hoary?
[08:15] <maxchee> ells: also it seems mplayer can actually transcode
[08:15] <quar> plz
[08:15] <ells> maxchee, I can decode all day, I need to compress video
[08:15] <New2ubuntu> will do
[08:16] <sabmoc> quar, the source.list for apt you mean?
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> sorry in advance, don't shoot me Tux Racer 0.61 -- a Sunspire Studios Production (http://www.sunspirestudios.com)(c) 1999-2000 Jasmin F. Patry <jfpatry@sunspirestudios.com>
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> "Tux Racer" is a trademark of Jasmin F. Patry
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> Tux Racer comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for details.
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> *** tuxracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success)
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> (#flood is being wierd
[08:16] <hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: stopstop there's a better way :-)
[08:16] <quar> sabmoc,
[08:16] <quar> ya
[08:16] <hypa7ia> http://www.pastebin.com/
[08:16] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:17] <maxchee> ells: okay it's called mencoder
[08:17] <maxchee> its usage is described on the mplayer man page
[08:17] <ells> maxchee, doesnt mencoder come with mplayer automatically
[08:17] <New2ubuntu> what does all that cra mean?
[08:17] <sabmoc> quar, join #flood and I will, but for stuff like that go to the website, read some docs
[08:17] <New2ubuntu> crap*
[08:17] <maxchee> ells: I believe so
[08:17] <quar> k im der
[08:17] <New2ubuntu> Ok I am in #flood as well
[08:18] <hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: means you need to get accelleration working on your vid card
[08:18] <ells> maxchee, I wonder if home players can divx dvds
[08:18] <hypa7ia> what card do you have?
[08:18] <New2ubuntu> I posted all the errors
[08:18] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:18] <maxchee> ells: they will be
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> I used synpaptic and got all the Nvidia glx stuff
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> then I restarded the system
[08:19] <ells> maxchee, I will have to try that then
[08:19] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, its not setup right
[08:19] <maxchee> ells: actually there are already standalone divx player
[08:19] <gankzor> I have libmpeg3-a installed, why can't I play mp3s?
[08:19] <odie5533> Is there any ok or good cd burning software that is for gnome?
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> sabmoc is there an ubuntu specific guide you could point me at?
[08:19] <maxchee> gankzor: you need gstreamer-mad
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> I googled it
[08:19] <hypa7ia> off to bed boys and girls, cheers to the canadians in the room (and everyone else too :-) )
[08:19] <ells> maxchee, well, I dont have one
[08:19] <New2ubuntu> and i found a some generic poorly written stuff in Linuxquestions.org
[08:20] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, uh
[08:20] <ells> maxchee, I will try to get this to work in my sony dvd player
[08:20] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, you mean you just installed all the nvidia stuff without actually reading a guide?
[08:20] <odie5533> apt-get install nvidiaglx
[08:20] <New2ubuntu> (looks around feeling like an idiote )  yes...
[08:21] <odie5533> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[08:21] <maxchee> ells: the best way we have right now is to use s-video output
[08:21] <odie5533> done
[08:21] <gankzor> maxchee: gstreamer-mad doesn't show up in my list of packs
[08:21] <New2ubuntu> sabmoc yeah I did, I feel like a moron, do you know where I could locate this guide you speek of?
[08:21] <ells> maxchee, if I have to, would rather get it to work the "right way"
[08:21] <Elysium_> is there a package equivilant to debian MScorefonts for ubuntu?
[08:22] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, heh, omg
[08:22] <DemisM> does anyone know what the list of ubuntu repositories are?
[08:22] <sabmoc> zmog!!
[08:22] <ells> maxchee, in windows crash x., I have dvd x copy, trying to quit cold turkey
[08:22] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, one sec dude
[08:22] <jdub> Elysium_: msttcorefonts, same package, in multiverse
[08:22] <New2ubuntu> the good news is all of the nvidia files are up to date
[08:22] <New2ubuntu> the bad news is they are not configured :(
[08:23] <Elysium_> jdub, thank you .. I haven't added multiverse yet
[08:23] <Elysium_> jdub, is it wise to do so?? are multiverse packages trustworthy?
[08:23] <quar> anyone know how to enable dma on a dvd rw drive in ubuntu>
[08:23] <quar> ?
[08:24] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[08:24] <jdub> Elysium_: they're roughly equivalent to contrib/non-free in debian
[08:24] <janc> multiverse is 'not supported' like universe, only not 100% free software
[08:24] <waxhead> re
[08:25] <quar> My dvd is all jumpy! why?
[08:25] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, thats for warty, but works fine for hoary
[08:25] <DemisM> I deleted the repositories list, can someone open there /etc/apt/sources.list and copy paste it to me in a pv msg or here?
[08:25] <Elysium_> excellent .. thanks
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> Found it
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> thanks :):)
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> Just did it
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> have to restart X
[08:25] <New2ubuntu> brb
[08:26] <janc> quar : you mean your DVD jumps around in your room?  ;)
[08:26] <janc> (or: tell the the channe lwhat's really going wrong...)
[08:27] <sabmoc> quar, thats what you get for pooring coffee in your dvd-player
[08:27] <sabmoc> gah s/pooring/pouring/;
[08:27] <sabmoc> gah!
[08:28] <sabmoc> hmmm phantompepsi
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> this is getting absurd
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> it worked
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> but now
[08:30] <New2ubuntu> when I type tuxracer I get bash: taxracer: command not found
[08:31] <New2ubuntu> which is stupid because apt-get says it already the latest version
[08:31] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, its not taxracer
[08:31] <thoreauputic> umm... was that a typo
[08:31] <New2ubuntu> tuxracer doesn't work either
[08:31] <New2ubuntu> sorry
[08:32] <kinema> is there a way to install hoary on a computer that is not capable of booting from a CD?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: what does the command  ` which tuxracer ` return?
[08:32] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, your going to make me install tuxracer arent you?
[08:32] <New2ubuntu> it worked
[08:32] <New2ubuntu> tuxracer worked when I used the terminal
[08:32] <quar> I think i need to enable DMA on my dvd-rw drive? anyone know how?
[08:32] <DemisM> does ubuntu have a net install through floppy?
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> but NOT in Konsole
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> wierd
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> I am not joking
[08:33] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, run glxgears from a gnome-terminal
[08:33] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: you mean you tried to start it in a tty ?
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> I am KDE
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> and it worked
[08:33] <New2ubuntu> I have tuxracer now
[08:33] <rapha> Hi all
[08:33] <kinema> quar:  take a look at hdparm
[08:33] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, then run glxgears from konsole, same thing
[08:33] <quar> ?
[08:33] <quar> kinema, ???
[08:34] <rapha> I've a strange behaviour in Hoary, which I didn't have in Warty and I think it might be a bug.
[08:34] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: your description of what actually happened is unclear...
[08:34] <janc> *fuck*
[08:34] <janc> monodevelop is useless  :-(
[08:34] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, do you really want to know?
[08:34] <kinema> quar: hdparm is the program used to set DMA and other modes
[08:34] <rapha> janc: How so?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: heh  - no I guess not ;)
[08:35] <sabmoc> kinema, dont! quar dont listen
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> thoreauputic  Simple, I typed Tuxracer into root konsole
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> and it said command not found
[08:35] <kinema> quar: read http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> I then when into run command
[08:35] <janc> rapha : crashes all the time  :-(
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> and typed tuxracer
[08:35] <quar> thx
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> and it worked
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> thats all I know
[08:35] <sabmoc> kinema, you dont ever need to fool around with hdparm
[08:35] <Maz> hi
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> but I have created a desktop link and it works
[08:35] <rapha> janc: Did you try installing Foresight Linux? Doesn't crash for me there.
[08:35] <New2ubuntu> that is what matters to me:)
[08:36] <New2ubuntu> Thanks for all the help getting the graphics drivers installed though
[08:36] <New2ubuntu> you guys are great :)
[08:36] <Maz> I am trying to change to a directory that has space on it, i.e. cd test 1
[08:36] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: you should never use the "root console" to run graphical applications
[08:36] <Maz> how do i do that?
[08:36] <sabmoc> kinema, thats basically just for tweak freaks who dont know better. I dont care what that document says.
[08:36] <rapha> About that bug... Warty and Hoary both detect my soundcard correctly (snd-via82cxx), but under Hoary the speakers remain silent. YES, the mixer IS unmuted and turned up.
[08:36] <kinema> is there any way to start a hoary install using a floppy?  one of my computers won't boot from a CD.
[08:36] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: but I think you might have misunderstood...
[08:36] <janc> rapha : this is #ubuntu, so I use Ubuntu...
[08:36] <sabmoc> kinema, did you check your bios?
[08:37] <rapha> janc: Sorry. Just a suggestion.
[08:37] <New2ubuntu> I will make sure I remember that
[08:37] <New2ubuntu> I will just use the run command for Graphical applications
[08:37] <rapha> janc: More meant for you to try out wether the problem is in the .deb
[08:37] <Maz> kinama: Check your boot sequence/priorities under bios
[08:37] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: using a non-root terminal is fine
[08:37] <kinema> sabmoc: yes.  the drives are attached to a PCI addon card and the bios refues to boot off it
[08:37] <janc> rapha : I just had to do some C# programming
[08:37] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:37] <rapha> janc: kay
[08:38] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: I don't think you are quite clear on what "root console" means ..?
[08:38] <janc> I've used SharpDevelop on WIndows before
[08:38] <New2ubuntu> its the console that lets me do what the other console denies permsission too right?
[08:38] <sabmoc> kinema, ok, well Im not sure about ubuntu have a floppy install, but I know debian does and I think there is a guide somewhere on the wiki for using the debian installer to install ubuntu, I could be wrong and I've never had to do it.
[08:38] <janc> which seems t obe a lot more mature...
[08:38] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: right
[08:38] <New2ubuntu> so I should only use it when I have to?
[08:38] <kinema> sabmoc: thanks.  i'll take alook
[08:39] <sabmoc> kinema, np
[08:39] <rapha> New2ubuntu: Problem is, it gives you LOTS of power
[08:39] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: and that privileged terminal should only be used for administration - not games or ordinary apps
[08:39] <New2ubuntu> ok
[08:39] <rapha> janc: Well, MonoDevelop inherited from SharpDevelop, but is a lot younger
[08:39] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, omg, he was using a root terminal for launching games??
[08:39] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: else you risk breaking things at best
[08:40] <rapha> janc: Actually, what version do you have and when does it crash? Maybe I can try to reproduce it on my Foresight installation
[08:40] <janc> rapha : obviously...  :-/
[08:40] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: yep, but it didb't work of course
[08:40] <sabmoc> janc I know a lot of work has gone into MD but to be honest, I didnt find it so usable myself.
[08:40] <rapha> Isn't there somebody who has a clue to that sound problem?
[08:40] <New2ubuntu> gotcha, I will make sure not to use it for anything but administration
[08:40] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, no of course not, but if he loged in to a regular terminal and 'su' it would work. Lets not tell him.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: :)
[08:41] <sabmoc> janc I prefer emacs for serious programming
[08:41] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: let's not indeed :)
[08:41] <New2ubuntu> its just a different experience, i am not used to leveled security within a session
[08:42] <janc> rapha : hoary seems to have a v0.5.1-3
[08:42] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: that's OK - we're here to warn you and help :)
[08:42] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, you mean your not used to any security at all within a session :)
[08:42] <New2ubuntu> I am used to logging in as admin
[08:42] <sabmoc> s/your/you're/;
[08:42] <New2ubuntu> or as user
[08:42] <thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: windows basically runs as root all the time - which is one reason it's so braindead
[08:43] <New2ubuntu> indeed
[08:43] <Aircobra> good morning
[08:43] <New2ubuntu> now I am going ot see how good these Nvidia drivers I just installed are
[08:43] <thoreauputic> also why it's so trivially easy to write viruses for, partly (lots of other reasons)
[08:43] <New2ubuntu> time to download ut2k4 demo :)
[08:44] <linux_galore> New2ubuntu: having a single point admin system in itself is a security problem.....single point hack
[08:45] <janc> sabmoc : I can always use SciTE or something (which I use on Windows a lot), but it's more about the project management & stuff
[08:45] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, run `glxgears` from a regular terminal it will tell you how well they perform, sortof
[08:45] <rapha> janc: I got 0.5, so it is even a little bit older. When does it crash for you?
[08:45] <sabmoc> janc, ah yes, well for that type stuff use the kde ide
[08:46] <sabmoc> janc, its actually very very advanced and goodness :)
[08:46] <janc> sabmoc : eh, kde? :-P
[08:47] <sabmoc> janc, kdevelop is good
[08:47] <janc> I saw the kdevelop talk @ fosdem, which looked very cool, except for the KDE/qt part  ;)
[08:47] <visor> anyone has tried a USB CD-RW with luck in linux? planning to buy one of those but i would like to hear if they really work out of the box (as usb sticks does)
[08:47] <ah`kin> is it ubuntu linux also use apt ?
[08:48] <sabmoc> janc, if I had a "Top 3 KDE Apps List", kdevelop would be second, amarok first, and third would still be empty.
[08:48] <sabmoc> visor, yes they work fine
[08:48] <janc> sabmoc : kdevelop would be maybe first for me   :-/
[08:48] <sabmoc> wait
[08:48] <sabmoc> k3b
[08:48] <linux_galore> sabmoc:  scribus/inkscape/k3b/dvdauthor
[08:48] <sabmoc> ok, I officially have 3 KDE apps I will use
[08:48] <janc> even if I only did look at it briefly
[08:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore, inkscape is not kde, and neither is scribus
[08:49] <sabmoc> scribus is qt
[08:49] <janc> inkscape is gtk
[08:49] <visor> sabmoc: oh great thanks, im assumming all usb cdwriters use a standard interface, more like pen drives and so, so does it matter wich brand i use or would you recommend me some unit in special?
[08:49] <linux_galore> sabmoc: they both use qt but yes dont need kde
[08:49] <sabmoc> linux_galore, inkscape uses kde? I dont think so.
[08:50] <sabmoc> err s/kde/qt/
[08:50] <thoreauputic> kworldclock! *grin*
[08:50] <sabmoc> egad!
[08:50] <thoreauputic> heheh
[08:50] <visor> inkscape uses GTK2 to be concise :) and scribus uses standard QT not KDELibs (kde libs deppend uppon QT)
[08:51] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: that's imaginative :)
[08:51] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, be thankful there was no flying halibut
[08:51] <sabmoc> visor, yes
[08:52] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: Oh - I forgot kteatime!! What an omission !
[08:52] <sabmoc> k3b, kdevelop, amarok ..the only reason for installing kdelibs at all!!
[08:53] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, whats next? keggtimer?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: nah, I wrote my own ;)
[08:53] <New2ubuntu> wow
[08:53] <New2ubuntu> celestia kicks ass
[08:53] <janc> rapha : it crashes (a.o.) when I hover over & click on the tabs for the differend editor/help windows
[08:54] <janc> that's _very_ annoying...  :)
[08:54] <sabmoc> New2ubuntu, did you run glxgears like I told you to do about a million times?
[08:54] <Elysium_> sabmoc, with gnomebaker, why evenworry about k3b
[08:55] <sabmoc> Elysium_, havent tried it
[08:55] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: perhaps he (very sensibly) doesn't care about how many fps he gets :)
[08:55] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker is nice, indeed
[08:55] <sabmoc> Elysium_, but thanks for the tip, ill take a look
[08:56] <Elysium_> sabmoc, it doesn't have all the features of k3b but I just thought if you are installing kde libs for just one app
[08:56] <sabmoc> Elysium_, no, three apps
[08:56] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/     << gnomebaker
[08:56] <sabmoc> Elysium_, is it in apt?
[08:57] <Elysium_> get the packages from thoreauputics link
[08:57] <waxhead> anyone got a ATI mobility setup working in warty?
[08:57] <New2ubuntu> sabmoc
[08:58] <New2ubuntu> I am kde
[08:58] <membreya> what's the easiest way to find out the version of nvidia that I'm running?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: yes, and I must say I'm bored ;)
[08:58] <New2ubuntu> and they are runnin in th corner
[08:58] <Elysium_> waxhead, I can't get fglrx to work with hoarty..
[08:58] <New2ubuntu> and they are running very very fast
[08:58] <sabmoc> ding!
[08:58] <Elysium_> waxhead, not that was much of a help :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: is this all you think about ?
[08:59] <sabmoc> oh you must have shifted down to my primordeal cerebelum.. the pleasure center
[08:59] <insidious> hey guys
[08:59] <BasL> membreya,   cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[08:59] <sabmoc> thats all THAT part thinks about
[08:59] <insidious> and gals
[08:59] <membreya> ta BasL :)
[09:00] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, do I need to add 'hoary multiverse' or anything to the end of the url?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: it isn't a repository
[09:00] <membreya> done EVERYTHING to try and get my nvidia working properly..yet I still only get 450 - 500 fps on glxgears
[09:00] <Elysium_> it's just a deb package
[09:00] <membreya> ANOTHER day without updates.. I'm starting to feel abandoned
[09:01] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: just dig into the directories
[09:01] <navashi> ah that is much better
[09:01] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, thanks
[09:01] <linux_galore> just had a though a good kde app thats matured well is kmyfirewall http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=10073&file1=10073-1.png&file2=10073-2.png&file3=10073-3.png&name=KMyFirewall
[09:01] <cusco> hi ya
[09:01] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: and didn't your mother/priest/father warn you you'd go blind? here's the evidence!
[09:01] <cusco> I don't have yet a ssh server install... I was wondering which one should I install...
[09:01] <membreya> what's that linux_galore ..kyfirewall ? :P
[09:01] <sabmoc> ouch
[09:02] <gankzor> anyone know how I can setup a second monitor that I can drag windows to, without using xinerama?
[09:02] <New2ubuntu> got to run
[09:02] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: :)
[09:02] <cusco> and if is possible to bind it to serve on port 25 instead of 22
[09:02] <linux_galore> well kmyfirewall tried to figure out what distro its on before it sets up the firewall
[09:02] <linux_galore> tried
[09:02] <linux_galore> tries*
[09:02] <linux_galore> grr
[09:02] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, this the one? gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[09:02] <nvashi> cuso: you left b4 I found the thing about your wifi .. but I guess you solved it
[09:02] <Elysium_> saber, yes
[09:02] <Elysium_> sabmoc, yes
[09:02] <waxhead> Elysium_, that's ok... got to ask..
[09:03] <sabmoc> Elysium_, haha
[09:03] <linux_galore> kmyfirewall is like firestarter on steroids
[09:03] <cusco> nvashi: well... Im not sure.. internet looks stable now but some times it falls
[09:03] <BasL> membreya, did you look at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/ ?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: make sure you get the hoary/warty version as applicable, of course - i guess the latest one
[09:03] <linux_galore> although personally I use shorewall
[09:03] <Elysium_> waxhead, ??? :(
[09:03] <cusco> I used ndiswrapper...
[09:03] <nvashi> cusco: you can forward the port to 25 if you want .. but why would you
[09:03] <membreya> BasL: lol yes :P
[09:03] <membreya> BasL: plus I'm running 2.6.11-1 :)
[09:03] <cusco> nvashi: is one of the few ports open in school
[09:03] <cusco> so I can access my machine
[09:03] <membreya> if you want to see what I've done, check out the email achive...
[09:03] <cusco> hehe
[09:04] <cusco> nvashi: how do I do it?
[09:04] <cusco> and which ssh server do I install?
[09:04] <Elysium_> ssh
[09:04] <cusco> open-ssh server
[09:04] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, yep yep
[09:04] <membreya> BasL: just finished up a thread 20 responses long trying to get it to work properly
[09:04] <membreya> the nvidia driver works, just slow as shit
[09:04] <cusco> webmin sshd
[09:04] <nvashi> cusco:but the thing is do you have access to the forewall/router
[09:04] <cusco> ssh-krb5
[09:04] <cusco> oh nvashi but that I can do..
[09:04] <cusco> actualli is done
[09:05] <cusco> bit normaly I listen on port 22
[09:05] <cusco> instead of 25
[09:05] <cusco> for ssh
[09:05] <blahrus> when is the issue going to be fixed with gstreamer mad/ffmpeg
[09:06] <nvashi> if you do then just open the right port .. saves all the hassle of ssh clients trying to switch to 25 [although it can be done .. but again why] 
[09:06] <sabmoc> thoreauputic, Elysium_ looks pretty good
[09:06] <jdub> blahrus: which issue?
[09:06] <BasL> membreya, the 2.6.11 kernel doesn't have a restricted-modules package, at least i don't see it here.
[09:06] <cusco> nvashi: but I would like to connect rough port 25 (in college I cannot go out trough 22)
[09:06] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: it seems to Just Work (tm)
[09:07] <blahrus> jdub: sync
[09:07] <blahrus> jdub: lag
[09:07] <membreya> BasL: that's right, I had to download it and install it myself
[09:07] <Elysium_> sabmoc, it's only .3
[09:07] <cusco> can you tell me how do I make the sshd server listen on 25 instead of 22 or both of them?
[09:07] <jdub> blahrus: there are some architectural problems with the current stable branch of gstreamer, hopefully they'll be dealt with in 0.9/1.0
[09:07] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: well, as long as you don't patent it - there's prior art :)
[09:08] <sabmoc> I thought patents were inventions
[09:08] <Dillweed> cusco: i believe you can chagne the settings in the sshd_config file
[09:08] <blahrus> jdub: yea I wasn't blaming ubuntu at all, I know its a gstreamer issue. they are getting sooo close . . . .
[09:08] <odie5533> Is there a good CD Burner for Ubuntu?
[09:08] <Dillweed> cusco: that file should be located in the /etc/sshd/ folder
[09:09] <thoreauputic> and goes to school to learn typing...
[09:09] <Dillweed> cusco: then restart the sshd server
[09:09] <membreya> thoreauputic: I still fail to see how an idea can be patented..it's an idea :|
[09:09] <membreya> it's like patenting breathing
[09:09] <thoreauputic> membreya: I agree - notice the large lmp in my cheek :)
[09:09] <cusco> Dillweed: but I haven't install a sshd server yet... which one should I install?
[09:09] <blahrus> odie5533: use graveman
[09:09] <cusco> webmin-sshd
[09:09] <membreya> thoreauputic: I thought that was just grime :\
[09:09] <cusco> ssh-krb5
[09:10] <cusco> openssh-server
[09:10] <jdub> cusco: openssh-server
[09:10] <cusco> ok
[09:10] <Dillweed> cusco: you need the server.  The webmin-sshd is the frontend.  I'm not sure in ubuntu which to install.  but it looks like jdub has the answer
[09:10] <nvashi> Cusco: opennssh-server is the one everyone one else is copying
[09:10] <cusco> well
[09:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: mostly hair in fact
[09:11] <cusco> ok
[09:11] <membreya> unkempt :P honestly thoreauputic :)
[09:13] <nvashi> cusco:and it is an outgrowth of the openbsd project
[09:13] <cusco> ok..
[09:14] <waxhead> Elysium_, oh.. about the ATI setup... I'm playing around with other stuff... took a while to see your reply
[09:14] <cusco> yeah I see the port in the config file
[09:14] <cusco> the thing is... it is comented
[09:14] <cusco> should I uncoment it?
[09:14] <nvashi> yes or it will us default
[09:14] <nvashi> us -> use
[09:16] <nvashi> now let us just hope your school has a lazy network admin
[09:16] <nvashi> and no email server
[09:17] <cusco> actually looks like I changed the ssh client default port
[09:17] <odie5533> Is there a hotkey to switch workspaces?
[09:17] <jdub> odie5533: ctrl-alt-<cursor-key>
[09:17] <odie5533> Elysium_:  You live right near me!
[09:18] <odie5533> can you give me an example of cursor-key?
[09:18] <cusco> oh yes.. but Ive chaged it
[09:18] <nvashi> cusco you are in the sshd config file rifgt
[09:18] <janc> odie5533 : arrow left, arrow right ,
[09:18] <janc> ?
[09:18] <janc>   :-)
[09:19] <odie5533> ah handy
[09:19] <cusco> for get it
[09:19] <cusco> I was in the wrong file
[09:19] <cusco> heh
[09:19] <nvashi> thought so
[09:19] <cusco> thats why it tas all commented
[09:19] <waxhead> so how does one manage the modules.conf these days?
[09:19] <membreya> waxhead: sudo nano /etc/modules ?
[09:19] <cusco> nvashi: please... could you try to ssh to my ip in port 25? lol
[09:19] <waxhead> membreya, nano?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> waxhead: one does modprobe, then one puts the name of the module in /etc/modules
[09:20] <nvashi> that would be a good way to lose my gov't job
[09:20] <waxhead> thoreauputic, thanks..
[09:20] <membreya> waxhead: nano = text editor..like vi ..but for dummies like me :)
[09:21] <DeadZed> Cannot mount iso image .. not sure if it is iso image. How do I find out?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> DeadZed:  file <name of file>
[09:21] <waxhead> membreya, oh.. I prefer vim anyway .. thanks
[09:21] <waxhead> is the pwc module in warty or hoary?
[09:21] <cusco> oh sory nvashi ... I din't meatn anything like that
[09:21] <nvashi> but will try to hit you
[09:21] <membreya> file
[09:21] <membreya> damn you
[09:22] <membreya> I'm working off 3 hours sleep here
[09:22] <sabmoc> membreya, welcome to my world
[09:22] <cusco> brb
[09:22] <nvashi> I know but schools and gov't agencies don't think to kindly topersonel hitting their systems unauthorized
[09:22] <sabmoc> I invented 3 hours sleep.
[09:22] <sabmoc> patent pending
[09:23] <drspin> sabmoc: I believe M$ Corp. Has already patented that ;)
[09:23] <DeadZed> thoreauputic it says ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data but doesnt mount
[09:23] <sabmoc> drspin, I invented M$ Corp.
[09:23] <nvashi> sabmoc: I belive drspin is coorect we go 3 days without it sometimes
[09:24] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: that isn't surprising
[09:24] <DeadZed> hah
[09:24] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: if you want to mount an iso you need to use loop
[09:24] <esher> my cdrw is messed up during burning, how can i "reset" this drive ?
[09:24] <visor> speaking of cd's do you know why the eject button doesnt work (even when eject package is installed) in hoary?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> mount -o loop file.iso
[09:24] <membreya> visor: umount the drive
[09:24] <drspin> DeadZed: you may need to # sudo modprobe loop
[09:24] <DeadZed> I used mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r
[09:24] <nvashi> but M$ Corp has nothing on USMC
[09:25] <drspin> DeadZed: I do at least on my Warty system
[09:25] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: you also need to modprobe `loop`  ( it's a module)
[09:25] <visor> membreya: isnt eject suppossed to do that automagically?
[09:25] <drspin> totem sucks
[09:25] <membreya> nfi
[09:25] <thoreauputic> drspin: oops didn't see your posts - sorry
[09:26] <membreya> DeadZed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofilewithoutburning
[09:26] <drspin> thoreauputic: no worries -- reinforcement :)
[09:26] <visor> membreya: in mdk it does eject without unmounting, i read somewhere that the hal provided with ubuntu is not the vanilla (the original source) so that maybe doing something
[09:26] <DeadZed> nope .. doesnt mount .. what if its not an iso image
[09:26] <DeadZed> aah no file told me it was
[09:26] <DeadZed> if its correct
[09:27] <membreya> file's never wrong :)
[09:27] <DeadZed> u sure?
[09:27] <DeadZed> I ll try
[09:27] <membreya> god is infalable and ms rules
[09:27] <jnc> i read that "god is inflatable and floats"
[09:27] <sabmoc> me2
[09:28] <jnc> it must be that time where i am tired
[09:28] <nvashi> hey do one of you have the link to the wiki page for the extra repositories page that lists them all I lost it and I want to set up my mom's PC so de can use ogle
[09:28] <membreya> nvashi: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:28] <nvashi> membreya: thanks
[09:29] <nvashi> she loved the way it plays on mine
[09:29] <cusco> back
[09:29] <nvashi> may make her intoa linux user yet
[09:31] <rapha> janc: Sorry for the long reply time. Doesn't crash here when switching tabs.
[09:31] <sabmoc> night folks
[09:31] <cusco> nvashi: actually I dind't foward the port
[09:31] <cusco> I did now
[09:31] <cusco> can you get to me on 25?
[09:32] <waxhead> does anyone have a /dev/video?
[09:35] <janc> rapha : it doesn't always crash, seems to have something to do with the help tabs
[09:35] <tezza> what's the latest hoary kernel?
[09:36] <tezza> Linux laptop 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Mar 15 14:43:37 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:38] <ells> anyone ever use acidrip
[09:39] <membreya> used acid ... :P
[09:40] <CHS> hi - does anybody know why hoary doesn't support the vga connector of the x40?
[09:40] <ells> membreya: you used acidrip before?
[09:41] <membreya> no ells :P was being a smart a$$
[09:41] <cusco> looks like my connection is not yet good navashi
[09:41] <cusco> it just keeps on going down :8
[09:41] <cusco> anyway can you get to me on port 25?
[09:42] <cusco> or can anybody ssh me on port 25 ?
[09:42] <drspin> how do I mount my USB drive so that I can read and write from it?
[09:42] <dwa_> drspin : doesn't just inserting it do the trick?
[09:43] <drspin> dwa_: no --
[09:43] <dwa_> drspin : try mount /dev/sda1
[09:43] <drspin> the automount script doesn't try NTFS --
[09:43] <dwa_> an ntfs usb drive? why?
[09:43] <drspin> dwa_: it's my friends
[09:44] <thoreauputic> almost certainly not ntfs - aren't they FAT or something like that?
[09:44] <saber> ugh!! i can't believe parted does not support reiserfs. now i need to do create some funkadelic symbolic links
[09:45] <drspin> thoreauputic: It's NTFS -- sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/data     <<==  works
[09:45] <drspin> thoreauputic: but I have to be root -- how do I make the automount script try NTFS as well as all the others?
[09:45] <thoreauputic> OK - but ntfs is read-only anyway in linux, no?
[09:46] <drspin> thoreauputic: yes read only but I at least want to be able to read it -- and I can't if I mount it manually -- only root can
[09:46] <dwa_> why don't you make a fat partition on it?
[09:46] <drspin> dwa_: because it's not mine --
[09:47] <thoreauputic> hmm - I don't know: I haven't used usb drives myself
[09:47] <drspin> RESTATE: how do I mount a drive so that I can read and write to it without having to be root and without adding it to FSTAB
[09:47] <drspin> ?
[09:48] <dwa_> drspin: dunno
[09:48] <drspin> :)
[09:48] <drspin> thanks
[09:48] <onkarshinde> drspin: for mounting you have to be root. Otherwise you have to add it to fstab.
[09:48] <cusco> actgually my ssh server isn't running at all
[09:48] <cusco> how can i start it?
[09:48] <drspin> onkarshinde: thanks for the tip --
[09:48] <navashi> what about hotplug and automount
[09:48] <thoreauputic> /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[09:49] <drspin> what script is run when a USB Mass Storage device is detected??
[09:49] <onkarshinde> drspin: Are you looking for info on user mask?
[09:49] <garrut> drspin: can't you format it so it's not ntfs?
[09:49] <membreya> cusco: I can't even telnet to you :|
[09:49] <thoreauputic> umm - I think it contains data, garrut
[09:50] <navashi> cuso : I forgot to say that I could not reach you as well
[09:50] <drspin> formatting isn't an option :: 1) it's not mine -- 2) where am I going to put 140Gb of data just to change the type of partition ??
[09:50] <papsmear> cd
[09:50] <navashi> cusco: I can't reach you as well
[09:50] <papsmear> dvd
[09:50] <papsmear> new hard drive
[09:51] <drspin> onkarshinde: no not umask= :: what script is run when I insert my USB device?? I'll modify it to check for NTFS as well
[09:51] <navashi> drspin: what is the reason for the data
[09:51] <cusco> navashi: I cannot reach my self :(
[09:51] <garrut> oh so it's a usb hdd
[09:51] <cusco> now I have to go
[09:51] <onkarshinde> drspin: Since I just entered channel, can you explain your problem?
[09:51] <membreya> lol cusco
[09:51] <cusco> Ill be back later
[09:52] <DeadZed> how to install rpm package?
[09:52] <garrut> kofje time!
[09:52] <membreya> DeadZed: alien them
[09:52] <dwa_> yeah garrut !
[09:52] <TongMaster> is there a recommended kernel package for transmeta chips?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> drspin: someone in #ubuntu-devel might know
[09:52] <DeadZed> alien them?
[09:53] <DeadZed> how do I install rpm package?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: sudo apt-get install alien
[09:53] <DeadZed> and then path
[09:53] <DeadZed> ?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: are you *sure* you can't get  a deb?
[09:53] <DeadZed> yap
[09:53] <DeadZed> 100%
[09:53] <drspin> I have a 140Gb USB drive that is full of data on an NTFS partition -- it's not mine -- the automount script for a USB drive doesn't check for an NTFS partition -- so it doesn't automount -- If I mount it manually (sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/data) I can't read from it unless I'm root
[09:53] <membreya> DeadZed: can you compile source from the repo's?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: what is this mysterious creature?
[09:54] <DeadZed> its win4lin
[09:54] <DeadZed> pro
[09:54] <thoreauputic> ah
[09:54] <navashi> drspin: and isf it was on another machine I would do it with samba or nfs/nis
[09:54] <navashi> hehe
[09:55] <thoreauputic> whereas all the evidence tends to suggest they'd probably prefer not to have to...
[09:55] <DeadZed> thoreauputic I know win4lin deb have existed but cant find one
[09:55] <membreya> haven't you heard thoreauputic ...RPM's are the way of the future :P
[09:56] <thoreauputic> membreya: you could get a job with DeadRat!!
[09:56] <membreya> nice play on words thor :P
[09:56] <onkarshinde> drspin: Well I have partial solution. Add option umask=0222 to your mount command. You can check manpage for verification.
[09:56] <thoreauputic> In Soviet Russia, the aliens support *you* !
[09:57] <navashi> drspin : so as you said you can read  it a root <correct> see if you can chown it to user staff
[09:57] <drspin> onkarshinde: you can do that when using an actual mount command?
[09:58] <onkarshinde> drspin: Yes, you can. Just check manpage for syntax.
[09:59] <onkarshinde> drspin: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mount.8.html Search for ntfs. You will find specific options.
[10:03] <bloated> hi
[10:03] <bloated> im about to install ubuntu
[10:04] <drspin> onkarshinde: pmount is the answer -- just so happens that the maintainer is awake and in the -devel channel :) :)
[10:04] <bloated> what do i need to know before i install ubuntu
[10:05] <navashi> bloated: that life is good
[10:05] <thoreauputic> bloated: everything ;-)
[10:06] <navashi> bloated: it is a sweet install and you will have fun learning it even when it may not seem that way
[10:06] <thoreauputic> bloated: be more specific and we'll be less flippant :)
[10:06] <bloated> thoreauputic: is there irssi when i get on the disc?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> bloated: on the disc?  irssi is indeed part of the standard install packages....
[10:07] <DeadZed> bloated it is not a live cd .. its a typical debian install
[10:07] <bloated> DeadZed: ya ok
[10:07] <bloated> bbs
[10:07] <bert> #ubuntu-nl
[10:08] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone know anything about getting lm-sensors working? I've got a via board and it works fine with mbmon and xmbmon, but despite loading all the various i2c and such modules that sensors-detect and various google sites suggest, I can't get lm-sensors to read my sensors
[10:09] <onno> Hello I need urgent help. This morning I want to start ubuntu and it asks after the init tab file...
[10:10] <onno> I isn't there anymore... and it ask wich init should I start... I say 5 but then its says no processes for this
[10:10] <onno> what should I do... I need to work a lot today and this isn't the time for me to fiddly with GNU/Linux
[10:10] <thoreauputic> onno: you mean runlevel? try 2
[10:10] <onno> Tryed theme all...
[10:11] <thoreauputic> onno: debian distros use runlevel 2 as default
[10:11] <onno> I'm now working on Ubuntu
[10:11] <thoreauputic> you lost inittab?
[10:11] <onno> yes
[10:11] <thoreauputic> completely?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> how??
[10:11] <navashi> ono: hpw
[10:11] <onno> I lost inittab, so I started knoopix...
[10:11] <onno> I don't know how I lost it, let me inspect it...
[10:11] <onno> Where should I find inittab normaly...
[10:12] <thoreauputic> onno: maybe chroot from knoppix and use the knoppix kernel
[10:12] <thoreauputic> onno:  /etc/inittab
[10:13] <onno> Ok inittab is still there
[10:13] <onno> but it won't work apparently... At what am I looking
[10:13] <thoreauputic> less /etc/inittab to look at it
[10:14] <onno> did it...
[10:14] <onno> file is intact...
[10:14] <thoreauputic> you should have lines like
[10:14] <onno> but apparently when I boot it won't work
[10:14] <thoreauputic> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[10:14] <thoreauputic> 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[10:14] <thoreauputic> onno: an error message would help
[10:14] <onno> sorry was looking at the knoopix one
[10:15] <thoreauputic> "doesn't work " is kind of not... informative
[10:15] <onno> Ok there is nothing any more in ETC_
[10:15] <onno> etc is empty on my comp
[10:15] <onno> what happend
[10:16] <thoreauputic> onno: you're in deep trouble
[10:16] <dwa_> onno: someone gave you the advice to do rm -rf /etc ?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> onno: your hard drive must be totalled
[10:16] <onno> var/log is still there
[10:16] <onno> no I was yesterday programming
[10:16] <onno> did not even on the net
[10:17] <onno> wich log file should I look
[10:17] <thoreauputic> onno: without /etc you have no config files , practically
[10:17] <onno> I know I will have to reinstall ubuntu...
[10:17] <onno> Why today
[10:18] <thoreauputic> your data is intact?
[10:18] <onno> Which log file do I need to look at
[10:18] <onno> some of my data seems in taket except for etc
[10:18] <thoreauputic>  bit late for log files I think
[10:18] <thoreauputic> does /boot exist? Is vmlinuz still there?
[10:19] <onno> Ok I need to backup
[10:19] <thoreauputic> in / I mean
[10:19] <onno> ./boot still there no vmlinuz
[10:19] <thoreauputic> indeed
[10:19] <onno> grub is there
[10:19] <thoreauputic> no, vmlinuz is in  /
[10:20] <thoreauputic> or should be
[10:20] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: depends
[10:20] <thoreauputic> if not you are totally screwed
[10:20] <onno> vmlinuz also
[10:20] <onno> is in /
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: ?
[10:20] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: you can actually configure where the kernel image should be
[10:20] <onno> Ok what should I do?
[10:21] <thoreauputic> onno: you could use knoppix grub to try and boot the kernel
[10:21] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: man kernel-img.conf
[10:21] <thoreauputic> but if /etc/ is gone...
[10:22] <onno> /etc/ is empty as hell
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: OK point taken - but / is default. is it not?
[10:22] <HappyPills> oooh, we talking grub now? I have a few issues with grub not running my windows partition =(
[10:22] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: it is not - default is symlinks in / pointing to kernel images in /boot
[10:22] <onno> all the rest is there
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: OK - I stand corrected :)
[10:23] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: :)
[10:23] <onno> thoreauputic, how would I do that?
[10:23] <thoreauputic> onno: I'll give you alink to a good grub tutorial - hang on
[10:23] <onno> does anybody have an idea how /etc can go away
[10:24] <drspin> HappyPills: I spent all day yesterday trying to fix Grub after a partition change...
[10:24] <HappyPills> yep. it can get quite annoying.
[10:24] <thoreauputic> onno: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[10:24] <HappyPills> what gets me is that lilo works perfectly for me
[10:24] <thoreauputic> onno: by accident, for instance typing the wrong thing as root
[10:25] <onkarshinde> Anyone knows about approximate date for Hoary release?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> HappyPills: yu can install lilo if you prefer it
[10:25] <thoreauputic> *you
[10:25] <Helios_> hi
[10:25] <HappyPills> I know I can... and I probably will end up doing that. I'm just customizing everything a little first
[10:25] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: april 6 IIRC
[10:26] <onno> No chance I didn't go root yesterday
[10:26] <Helios_> is there a command i can use to display information like processor speed, total amount of RAM, etc?
[10:26] <onno> the mysql databases where are they so I can backup them and instaal the new ubuntu
[10:26] <Neill> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:26] <thoreauputic> spontaneous combustion ?
[10:26] <Neill> and free -m will give you memory information
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Helios_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:27] <Helios_> i see.. thanks alot!
[10:27] <Neill> there is also dmesg which gives you output from the boot process, including lots of hardware stuff.
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Helios_: cat /proc/meminfo
[10:27] <Helios_> i see.... great! thanks!
[10:28] <HappyPills> but it does annoy me that the autodetection thing worked to find the windows partition and refused to boot from it...
[10:29] <thoreauputic> HappyPills: that seems to be a common ubuntu experience, unfortunately
[10:29] <Helios_> lol my old laptop gets 788 bogomips
[10:30] <quar> anyone know how to tell hdparm to turn dma on on a device?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Helios_: bogomips= bogus mips ;-)
[10:30] <Helios_> something like hdparm -d /dev/hda
[10:30] <thoreauputic> quar: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/whatever
[10:30] <quar> thx
[10:31] <quar> how can i tell what name my dvdrom drive is?
[10:31] <quar> its a dvdrw actuall
[10:31] <quar> y
[10:31] <thoreauputic> quar: it's probably /dev/hdd or /dev/hdc
[10:31] <HappyPills> thoreauputic: yes, it is a common grub experience I think... I've made it harder by making my windows partition /dev/hda5 =P
[10:32] <quar> but how can i tell?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> HappyPills: oh dear :/
[10:32] <quar> How can i tell for sure?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> quar: how many drives do you have?
[10:32] <Helios_> i've installed Ubuntu on 4 PC's lately and they all multiboot to XP with the default menu.lst
[10:32] <quar> just one optical
[10:32] <quar> 1 hdd
[10:32] <thoreauputic> quar: is it on primary or secondary?
[10:33] <quar> i dun wanna guess, i need to check for sure
[10:33] <quar> cant i modprobe or something?
[10:33] <quar> check my fstab
[10:33] <drspin> quar: ls /dev/hd*
[10:33] <quar> ?
[10:33] <waxhead> crap...
[10:33] <waxhead> I think it's the cam I have that's not supported
[10:33] <waxhead> sigh
[10:33] <thoreauputic> quar: yes, check fstab
[10:34] <bawbag> hi... anyone able to help me with a beagle issue?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> tine to go.... see you all - good night
[10:36] <bawbag> beagled --fg --debug seems to work, 'best' package runs fine, but i get no results for anything.  beagle-query returns "free(): invalid pointer 0x820d000!"
[10:37] <bawbag> dashboard also runs with no results
[10:37] <bawbag> tomboy, f-spot & muine all seem to run without trouble
[10:39] <bawbag> fstab entry for /  ...  "/dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr 1 2"
[10:39] <navashi> quar: now this may be an odd question are you currently on the system you are asking about? and if so have you put a dvd in? if so you should be able to see it in the filesystem if it does not show up on the DE
[10:40] <bawbag> any help much appreciated.... can't work out what i'm doing wrong =)
[10:43] <bawbag> oh.. and i'm using hoary =)  ty
[10:45] <ace2001ac> anyone try compiling gcc 3.4.3 on amd64?
[10:48] <claint> didnt know there was gcc 3.4.3.....
[10:49] <raghu> ace2001ac: apt-get install gcc
[10:50] <ace2001ac> raghu: well, it runs, I'm trying to compile it to add a frontend for a different language which is difficult if I can't get it to work on my new amd64 :)
[10:52] <odie5533> How do you write scripts for Xchat?
[10:52] <bawbag> anyone with some beagle experience?
[10:54] <dmoyne> please I am trying to update from warty to hoary and I have in the process for gnome and kde some errors reported ! ; is this supposed to work with no problems !
[10:55] <bob2> of course
[10:55] <pinPoint> bob2: you appear to be everywhere. ;)
[10:55] <dmoyne> what do you mean by of course !
[10:56] <deFrysk> of course = sure
[10:56] <dmoyne> you mean that you have proceeded with the update from warty to hoary with no error messages ?
[10:57] <beloDRAK> "** (gftp-gtk:2633): WARNING **: Invalid UTF8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()" any idea what this means?
[10:57] <bob2> dmoyne: it should work like that, yes
[10:57] <bob2> beloDRAK: that something is buggy
[10:57] <bob2> but not in a very serious way
[10:58] <dmoyne> what can I do when I have soemthing like this :
[10:58] <pinPoint> is there a way to make a list of files in a folder or drive and save it in a txt file
[10:58] <beloDRAK> bob2: so I can forget about it?
[10:58] <dmoyne> cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kcontrol/kalarmd/.dhelp': Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[10:58] <dmoyne> dpkg: erreur de traitement de kdepim-doc-html (--configure):
[10:58] <dmoyne>  le sous-processus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 2
[10:58] <topyli> pinPoint: ls > file.txt
[10:58] <bob2> pinPoint: find > ./list.txt
[10:59] <bob2> beloDRAK: I think it's safe to ignore
[10:59] <deFrysk> dmoyne, try apt-get -f install
[10:59] <beloDRAK> bob2: thnx
[10:59] <dmoyne> deFrysk I will try : what is this supposed to do ?
[10:59] <pinPoint> thanks ppl
[10:59] <cam_> hey guys. i have a usb infrared adaptor. any apps i can use to connect to my phone
[10:59] <bawbag> okay i found an error message.. it's something to do with dbus, but i think it's running....
[10:59] <cam_> it seemed to have detected it in dmesg
[10:59] <deFrysk> -f stands for fix
[11:00] <cam_> usbcore: registered new driver pl2303
[11:00] <cam_> drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor driver v0.12
[11:00] <bawbag> DEBUG: Couldn't acquire d-bus service 'com.novell.BeagleIndexHelper'
[11:00] <bawbag> free(): invalid pointer 0x8275000!
[11:01] <beloDRAK> bob2: "(process:2788): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[11:01] <beloDRAK>         Using the fallback 'C' locale." and this is something simillar I think, no?
[11:02] <HappyPills> wow... I must say that #ubuntu is a pretty popular channel!
[11:03] <onkarshinde> HappyPills: Why do you think so?
[11:03] <deFrysk> dmoyne, no privating
[11:04] <beloDRAK> anyone here using Xfce4?
[11:04] <dmoyne> deFrysk, sorry I thought itowul be mor efficient ! ; this is what I get on apt-get -f install :
[11:04] <dmoyne> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:04] <dmoyne> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:04] <dmoyne> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 728 not upgraded.
[11:04] <dmoyne> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[11:04] <dmoyne> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:04] <dmoyne> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[11:05] <deFrysk> dmoyne, shut down synaptic and use sude
[11:05] <deFrysk> sude = sudo
[11:06] <Cam-> anyone know of a InfrRed proggie
[11:06] <Cam-> i want to talk to my nokia phone
[11:06] <dmoyne> ok I do shut synaptic and now what shoud I do ? ; maybe I do not have the proper repositries set
[11:06] <onkarshinde> Anyone from India here?
[11:06] <dwa_> i'm guessing you are
[11:06] <deFrysk> all warty repos need to be set to hoary
[11:06] <deFrysk> apt-get update
[11:06] <onkarshinde> dwa_: apart from me.
[11:07] <deFrysk> apt-get -f install
[11:07] <deFrysk> as sudo
[11:07] <onkarshinde> dwa_: How did you find I am from India?
[11:07] <deFrysk> then try apt-get dist-upgrade again
[11:07] <dmoyne> is apt-get update going to clean my existing repositries ?
[11:07] <deFrysk> dmoyne, to refresh
[11:07] <dwa_> onkarshinde : well, you were asking for people from india...
[11:08] <beloDRAK> onkarshinde: it was really hard to find out
[11:08] <dwa_> hey, it's jesus !
[11:08] <garrut> our savior!
[11:08] <dmoyne> yes but as I have lod warty repositires what is this going to do to them ?
[11:08] <kosmos> comment them
[11:08] <kosmos> all you nee is
[11:08] <kosmos> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:08] <kosmos> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:09] <esher> my cdrw is messed up during burning, how can i "reset" the cddrine so that he is normal operating again ?
[11:09] <arek> dmoyne warty resp will make no harm dont worry bout them
[11:09] <dmoyne> ok I will set these repositries and restart my update process
[11:11] <deFrysk> dmoyne, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:11] <esher> must i reboot to bring cdrom back to working status ?
[11:11] <beloDRAK> whats better hoary or warty?
[11:11] <kosmos> try unmount an mount it
[11:11] <deFrysk> warty = stable
[11:12] <deFrysk> hoary is leet
[11:12] <beloDRAK> thats what I thought
[11:12] <kosmos> didnt help?
[11:13] <beloDRAK> I have custom instalation of warty on my ibook(first gen) and Im almost satisfied
[11:13] <M_Fatih> hi all
[11:14] <M_Fatih> i want to use grub splash, in ubuntu warty live.. is there any package to install for this?
[11:14] <dmoyne> to cosmos : after setting my repositries w/ synaptic and refreshing I still have error messages ; whould I work with apt-get commands ?
[11:15] <onkarshinde> M_Fatih: not really. You just need to use an option in menu.lst
[11:15] <Daehlie> i don't like graphical boot loaders, one more thing that can screw up
[11:15] <kagou> hi
[11:15] <onkarshinde> it should be of form splashimage=(hd0,0)/path_to_splash_image
[11:16] <onkarshinde> M_Fatih: I hope you know prerequisites for splash image.
[11:16] <kosmos> dmoyne, set up your sources list with gedit und try apt-get update
[11:17] <Z3phyr0s> Ahoy
[11:17] <M_Fatih> onkarshinde, where is splash's packages? xgz
[11:17] <deFrysk> dmoyne, before apt-get update shut down synaptic
[11:19] <onkarshinde> M_Fatih: I don't think there is any by default in Ubuntu. If you want to try one you can get some from http://onkarshinde.tripod.com/downloads.htm
[11:21] <M_Fatih> i crushed my menu.lst, there is no backup. how can i fix grub's menu.lst
[11:21] <dmoyne> I am now in the procees of apt-get dist-upgrade ; it will take a long time !
[11:21] <virtuald> M_Fatih: try running update-grub
[11:22] <M_Fatih> ah, thanks..
[11:22] <virtuald> or reinstall grub, then run update-grub
[11:22] <HappyPills> Okay... my libranet cd's are borked and I need an os running properly soon. How flexible is the Ubuntu installer when it comes to partitioning hard drives off?
[11:22] <M_Fatih> virtuald, can i found like this tools for system management? what like runlevel editor?
[11:22] <HappyPills> does it automatically try and wipe everything or do I have full control over which partitions it can touch?
[11:23] <topyli> HappyPills: you can set it up any way you like
[11:23] <virtuald> M_Fatih: what?
[11:23] <HappyPills> good... I'm not even sure what version of Ubuntu I have on this cd but it is better than a half borked distro... Hopefully I'll be right back =P
[11:23] <sianis> hi
[11:24] <sianis> i have a little probleme
[11:24] <topyli> HappyPills: good luck
[11:24] <sianis> i download a .deb file
[11:24] <sianis> but i cannot install it with the dpkg
[11:24] <sianis> can some1 help me?
[11:24] <M_Fatih> virtuald, is there any tool like this, "update-grub". i love console system management tools, i can't manage my runlevel scripts.. i'm newbie in debian&ubuntu
[11:24] <deFrysk> what package ?
[11:25] <sianis> it is fp-compiler_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[11:25] <sianis> it's a free pascal compiler
[11:26] <virtuald> M_Fatih: i don't know of any
[11:26] <M_Fatih> hm. ok. thanks :)
[11:26] <deFrysk> sianis, whete does the package complain about ?
[11:27] <deFrysk> dpkg that is
[11:27] <sianis> what is the option i can start install?
[11:27] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg -i
[11:27] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg -i <package>
[11:27] <sianis> ok, i try
[11:28] <supos> Anyone know if the firefox icons are supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
[11:28] <sianis> Selecting previously deselected package fp-compiler.
[11:28] <sianis> (Reading database ... 62060 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:28] <sianis> Unpacking fp-compiler (from fp-compiler_1.0.4-2_i386.deb) ...
[11:28] <sianis> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fp-compiler:
[11:28] <sianis>  fp-compiler depends on fp-units-rtl (= 1.0.4-2); however:
[11:28] <sianis>   Package fp-units-rtl is not installed.
[11:28] <sianis> dpkg: error processing fp-compiler (--install):
[11:28] <sianis>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[11:28] <sianis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:28] <sianis>  fp-compiler
[11:28] <sianis> sorry the long
[11:28] <topyli> M_Fatih: there's update-rc.d but you'll have to read the man page :)
[11:28] <topyli> aargh! flood
[11:29] <fgx> sianis, install fp-units-rtl then fp-compiler
[11:29] <deFrysk> sianis, get/find the missing apckages
[11:29] <sianis> okey
[11:29] <sianis> i try
[11:30] <sianis> ohh
[11:30] <sianis> it's good
[11:30] <sianis> complete
[11:30] <sianis> thx
[11:31] <sianis> i'm begginer in the Linux world
[11:31] <sianis> :)
[11:31] <sianis> thang guys, girls :)
[11:31] <topyli> M_Fatih: sysv-rc-conf is a nice runlevel editor if you want an interactive program
[11:32] <M_Fatih> hm. trying..
[11:32] <sianis> can i install a other graphics ... like gnome?
[11:32] <sianis> px: icwwm
[11:32] <sianis> icewm
[11:33] <mjr> gnome is quite a lot more than a window manager, but sure, you can use icewm
[11:34] <virtuald> gnome is not a window manager
[11:35] <fgx> metacity is the default wm for gnome
[11:35] <caffinated> i think he's thinking of gnome + metacity
[11:36] <selinium_> Hi all, i installed SKYPE a while ago, i want to upgrade to the next deb. How do I go about it?
[11:36] <fgx> did someone try to use fvwm+gnome?
[11:36] <fgx> selinium_, how did you install skype?
[11:37] <fgx> selinium_, using apt-get?
[11:37] <sianis> gnome + metacity is the default
[11:37] <sianis> but i like the icewm, xfce
[11:38] <selinium_> fgx: downloaded the deb from skype, and intalled dkpg from that... i think? it was some time ago and I am quite new to all this Linux stuff. Tooo much info pushing the old stuff out!
[11:40] <fgx> selinium_, dunno if dpkq -i newpack will overwright oldone. well, try and see what you get.
[11:40] <sianis> some1 use synaptics to the touchpad, toucscreen?
[11:41] <selinium_> fgx: do i need to download the new deb? Is there a way i can get synaptic to take care of it?
[11:41] <johnl> morning
[11:42] <garrut> eu
[11:42] <fgx> selinium_, synaptic will take kare only for staff from repos (sources.list)
[11:42] <optika> what's the best way to check what version of a package is installed/available?
[11:42] <fgx> selinium_, you are running warty or hoary?
[11:43] <optika> I don't really want to use aptitude or synaptic, I'd prefer plain output on stdout ;)
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> optika: dpkg for installed
[11:43] <selinium_> fgx: hoary
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache show for availbale
[11:43] <optika> HrdwrBoB: ta :)
[11:43] <fgx> optika, dpkg| grep package
[11:43] <optika> ta++ :)
[11:44] <garrut> it's dpkg -l
[11:44] <sianis> how can i look so what hardware is avaible to in my notebbok
[11:44] <optika> apt-cache show package   works for installed too
[11:44] <sianis> pl: wireless, irda
[11:44] <fgx> selinium_, maybe skype is in hoary universe. try apt-cache search skype ( be sure universe is enabled )
[11:44] <optika> garrut: indeed, it is. dpkg by itself doesn't work :)
[11:45] <sh1mmer> moin
[11:45] <Quinn_Storm> if you can't find it, check out apt-get.org
[11:46] <sianis> oh god
[11:46] <sianis> i delete my trush on the panel
[11:46] <sianis> :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:
[11:46] <sianis> how can i get back?
[11:46] <garrut> so, put it back...
[11:46] <sianis> how, where?
[11:46] <selinium_> fgx: it comes up with the skype slogan. In Synaptic, the version appears to be older than the one on Skype.com
[11:47] <fgx> selinium_, well, version on skype.com will always be the last one :-)
[11:47] <mjr> fgx, skype is non-free, thus not likely in universe
[11:47] <odie5533> Is there a good Java Decompiler for Linux?
[11:48] <mjr> maybe in multiverse, if it's redistributable; haven't checked
[11:48] <fgx> mjr, oh, right!
[11:48] <sianis> garrut
[11:48] <sianis> pls help me
[11:48] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me, how hard is it to develop driver for internal modem?
[11:48] <selinium_> fgx: Skype is free as voip. if you choose to pay for the other stuff thats up to you!
[11:48] <selinium_> mrj: Skype is free as voip. if you choose to pay for the other stuff thats up to you!
[11:48] <dwa_> sianis : what have you tried yourself?
[11:49] <fgx> selinium_, skype client is free, but not the protocal
[11:49] <mjr> selinium_, it's not free software, free as in speech
[11:49] <Syche> Hi. I've got Ubuntu Hoary installed and want to get KDE as well. Can i do it using the Kubuntu cd as I already have it?
[11:49] <Syche> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:49] <mjr> yah, and the proprietary protocol it uses makes things even worse
[11:50] <sianis> i delete the trush on the panel, but i don't know where i can put it back
[11:51] <selinium_> fgx mrj: I see... anyway, the best way forward to get the new one on my machine is to dowload the deb and 'dpkq -i newpack' ?
[11:51] <dwa_> trush? don't you mean trash?
[11:51] <mjr> selinium_, correct
[11:51] <fgx> selinium_, yes
[11:51] <sianis> trsh
[11:51] <sianis> trash :)
[11:51] <sianis> srry
[11:51] <dwa_> ok sianis try this: right click on your panel
[11:51] <saber> resizing reiserfs killed my system... damn i gotta go through another installation
[11:51] <dwa_> add to panel
[11:51] <dwa_> tadaaaaa select your trash panel
[11:51] <mjr> reiserfs isn't the poster-child for stability, exactly
[11:51] <selinium_> mrj fgx: thanks for your help! I have to start righting these commands down!
[11:51] <scandium> selinium_, what did you do to get sound during calls? Doesn't work for me, even when started with esddsp
[11:52] <dwa_> +applet
[11:52] <saber> mjr, what fs do you recommend?
[11:52] <sianis> thx
[11:52] <sianis> thx
[11:52] <sianis> thx
[11:52] <mjr> saber, for most uses, plain old ext3 - not blazingly fast, but good enough, and pretty solid. For high-end stuff, jfs or xfs may be better
[11:53] <selinium_> scandium: it just worked for me, sorry.  all it says is /dev/dsp if thats any help?
[11:53] <saber> i choose xfs for this install... it is going through the base system right now
[11:53] <saber> thankfully i was able to snap a copy of /etc
[11:53] <scandium> selinium_, yeah got that too...I can hear sound and record stuff using arecord on console or the gnome sound recorder but skype is just silent for me
[11:54] <scandium> silly peer pressure that makes me use skype ;-)
[11:55] <tayar> Hi
[11:55] <tayar> Is nautilus broken?
[11:55] <selinium_> scandium: i wish I could help! I just bought a years worth of skypeIn for 30 euros, and would like to use it. the idea of having a phone line available on any pc!
[11:55] <tayar> I am using 2.10.0-4
[11:56] <tayar> Its crashes every time I try opening it
[11:57] <tayar> in the places menu i have 2 ftp entery i got no idea what they are doing there
[11:57] <tayar> I have rebooted
[11:57] <tayar> and deleted ~/.nautilus
[11:57] <scandium> selinium_, I started using skype only 2 months ago when I realized all of my friends have it...I tried to educate them to use VoIP as in SIP/RTP but it has three disadvantages for the non-technical user: 1. you need to know the other users IP 2. you need to do NAT if you aren't connected directly 3. it doesn't do file transfer, chatting etc...so skype wins :(
[11:57] <mjr> tayar, weird, and not typical. Sorry, no ideas.
[11:57] <tayar> who am i meant to contact for help? seb128?
[11:58] <zzyber> Hi! For some reason my ubuntu has start freezing after a couple of hours of use, when the trouble began i installed Hoary Preview release in hope that the trouble will go away but i still have troble with the computer hanging after a couple of hours and the hard disk led is on constantly, ctrl, alt, del or ctrl, alt backspace dont work. Can i trace this problem with some software or is it logged when i do a hard reset?
[11:58] <selinium_> scandium: have you had a look at asterisk?
[11:58] <seb128> tayar: do you have python-nautilus installed ?
[11:58] <scandium> heard of it
[11:58] <tayar> seb128, yes
[11:58] <seb128> that's it
[11:58] <seb128> remove it
[11:59] <seb128> this stuff is broken
[11:59] <seb128> I wonder why people install it, is that useful somewhere ?
[11:59] <mjr> scandium, yah, sadly, free solutions have some ways to go yet (though gnomemeeting (which sadly doesn't support sip but only h323 so far) does have callto directory support, so no need for ips)
[11:59] <selinium_> scandium: apparently it is the dogs dangleys. but i haven't had time to look
[11:59] <tayar> seb128, i installe something that depends on it
[11:59] <mjr> (gnomemeeting sip support should be coming Real Soon Now)
[12:01] <seb128> tayar:
[12:01] <seb128> $ apt-cache rdepends python-nautilus
[12:01] <seb128> python-nautilus
[12:01] <seb128> Reverse Depends:
[12:01] <seb128> tayar: nothing depends on it ...
[12:01] <tayar> seb128, something outisde of ubuntu
[12:03] <seb128> k
[12:03] <kosmos> hm?
[12:03] <tayar> seb128, can you remove
[12:04] <seb128> ?
[12:04] <tayar> seb128, can remove it from the rep
[12:04] <seb128> why ?
[12:04] <seb128> fixing it is probably a better solution
[12:04] <tayar> searcher`, because someone else might install it like how i did
[12:04] <tayar> :o
[12:04] <tayar> ok
[12:05] <tayar> whatever
[12:05] <tayar> cya
[12:09] <selinium_> mjr fgx: I am getting this error when I try to install... subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[12:09] <selinium_> mrj fgx: any ideas?
[12:09] <resiak> selinium_: Look further up the screen for an error message.
[12:10] <selinium_> resiak: yep found it... dpkg-deb: `/home/james/Desktop/Save/skype_1.0.0.20-1_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[12:10] <resiak> selinium_: Download it again, since it's clearly corrupted.
[12:11] <selinium_> resiak: cheers, will do!
[12:13] <mjr> I'm untouchable, unless a sufficiently large sum of money is presented
[12:14] <Pointwood> skype being currupted?
[12:14] <Seveas> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[12:16] <HappyPills> me back! installation success =P
[12:16] <oggah> I did the "apt-get install bittornado" in terminal, it did install everything ok. But how do I start it?
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:17] <markc> are there cvs/svn repositories for the livecds anywhere ?
[12:18] <selinium_> It seems the the deb on the Skype site is corrupted :(  Icould try and install it from the binary tar.bz2, Is that just a case of unpacking it and running dpkg -i on that?
[12:19] <kosmos> not its not
[12:19] <kosmos> this way you install .debs
[12:19] <mameluke> selinium_, as i installed it, it worked
[12:19] <kosmos> binaries you have to compile
[12:20] <kosmos> jep, the deb is ok
[12:20] <mameluke> selinium_, whats the ending of the file?
[12:20] <IcedKiwi> hey ppls
[12:20] <selinium_> mameluke: I have downloaded it 4 times now, and run dpkg -i on the various files. No joy.  dpkg-deb: `/home/james/Desktop/Save/skype_1.0.0.20-1_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[12:21] <IcedKiwi> hows everyone?
[12:21] <mameluke> selinium_, whats the ending of the file?
[12:21] <mameluke> .deb?
[12:21] <selinium_> mameluke: youve got the complete route to the file there! yes .deb!
[12:21] <mameluke> hrmm.. yes, .deb... hrm
[12:22] <selinium_> mameluke: lol :)
[12:22] <mameluke> i had no problems.... but i installed it under warty
[12:22] <mjr> selinium_, see what file skype*deb says
[12:22] <HappyPills> hmm... anybody installed octave for ubuntu before?
[12:22] <mameluke> selinium_, are you root?
[12:23] <mameluke> selinium_, made chmod 755 *.deb?
[12:23] <selinium_> mamaluke: you have to run dpkg as sudo
[12:23] <mameluke> yes, sry.. i've activated root :P
[12:25] <selinium_> mjr: /home/james/Desktop/Save/skype_1.0.0.20-1_i386.deb: data
[12:25] <mjr> mfft
[12:26] <mjr> well, "complain to skype" is my advice...
[12:26] <IcedKiwi> does anyone know where i can get a driver for a winmodem? i cant find it a linmodem.org
[12:26] <mameluke> selinium_, try the tar-files
[12:26] <mjr> IcedKiwi, if not there, probably nowhere
[12:26] <IcedKiwi> oh
[12:26] <cusco> hi ya
[12:27] <selinium_> mjr: lol, i will try the tar files. is it just a case of upacking the dpkg -i ?
[12:27] <IcedKiwi> i guess id better get a new modem then, huh?
[12:27] <selinium_> mjr: lol, i will try the tar files. is it just a case of upacking and then dpkg -i ?
[12:27] <mjr> they call them "winmodems" for a reason
[12:27] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:27] <mjr> selinium_, no
[12:27] <HappyPills> fudge... couldn't find package ndiswrapper =(
[12:27] <IcedKiwi> the whole idea is crass
[12:28] <markc> are there cvs/svn repositories for the livecds anywhere ?
[12:28] <mjr> the tar package just contains the same files as the deb package should, but without the control information
[12:28] <petemc> HappyPills: read the ndiswrapper how to on the wiki
[12:28] <HappyPills> yeah... I was
[12:28] <cusco> HappyPills: type sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils
[12:28] <petemc> and you didnt notice the package isnt called ndiswrapper
[12:28] <selinium_> mjr: so what do i do with it when i have got it?
[12:29] <cusco> then ndiswrapper -i name-ofthe-driver.inf
[12:29] <mjr> selinium_, unpack it somewhere and hope it contains a README file or something
[12:29] <selinium_> mjr: thanks!
[12:29] <HappyPills> well. I installed it for dsl and it was =P
[12:30] <cusco> was? was what?
[12:30] <petemc> HappyPills: either way, if you were reading the how to you would know what it was called in ubuntu
[12:31] <mameluke> selinium_, unpack the tar.bz2 then male it runnable und the run it with ./<file>
[12:31] <mameluke> male = make
[12:31] <mameluke> arg i can't write anymore
[12:31] <HappyPills> must have been reading the wrong file...
[12:32] <HappyPills> but I'm all happy now!
[12:32] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:32] <factotum> who wants some seroquel LOL
[12:33] <HappyPills> now to test the automount capabilities of ubuntu default install =P
[12:34] <selinium_> mameluke: cheers for that!
[12:34] <Myrtti> I'd love some Ritalin
[12:35] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:35] <IcedKiwi> isnt ritalin just medical speed?
[12:35] <factotum> kinda
[12:35] <IcedKiwi> ok
[12:35] <Myrtti> well, it's said to slow people down too
[12:35] <IcedKiwi> yeah
[12:35] <Myrtti> those with ADD / ADHD
[12:36] <IcedKiwi> caffeine used to actually calm my ex down
[12:36] <IcedKiwi> he had adhd
[12:36] <factotum> like with seroquel, one pill knocks my wife out for at least 12 hours, i take 2 of them twice a day
[12:36] <factotum> just kinda mellows me out a bit
[12:36] <PacoBCN> ...
[12:36] <IcedKiwi> what is seroquel?
[12:37] <factotum> anti-psychotic
[12:37] <HappyPills> okay... I gotta go and switch to wireless now
[12:37] <HappyPills> brb
[12:37] <IcedKiwi> i used to take rypiradone (cant spell it) and after that they tried me on zoloft
[12:37] <IcedKiwi> nothing interesting
[12:37] <factotum> yea
[12:37] <factotum> same with effexor
[12:38] <IcedKiwi> interesting people, with interesting pill collections...
[12:38] <factotum> oh yes lol
[12:38] <IcedKiwi> my grandfather takes 36 different pills a day
[12:38] <factotum> wow
[12:38] <factotum> all to counter act each other lol
[12:38] <IcedKiwi> and thats when hes NOT in hospital
[12:38] <factotum> it is an even number after all
[12:38] <Lin> hi all.. what is the url that explain about codecs, and  "missing" packages?
[12:39] <factotum> ick
[12:39] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:39] <mjr> effexor dries my mouth
[12:39] <IcedKiwi> not counting doubles and triples and so on
[12:39] <factotum> same here
[12:39] <Myrtti> efexor has other not so funny side effects
[12:39] <factotum> i always have water with me
[12:39] <factotum> really?
[12:39] <IcedKiwi> zoloft doesnt do a bloody thing
[12:39] <factotum> yea i suppose for some people it does different things
[12:39] <deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:40] <Myrtti> sex sucked when a man I was dating took Efexor
[12:40] <mjr> and anyway, doesn't do more for me than more traditional stuffs, might go back to cipralex
[12:40] <mameluke> selinium_, does it work?
[12:40] <IcedKiwi> ryspiradone (sp?) made me put on a stack of weight
[12:40] <factotum> Myrtti: ah, gotcha
[12:40] <spacey> whats better, freeswan or openswan?
[12:40] <IcedKiwi> it made me eat heaps
[12:40] <KarlosII> swan?
[12:40] <Lin> deFrysk, it was a white and blue web page, with some explanations.
[12:40] <factotum> Myrtti: Dr. warned me about that, so far ive been lucky though
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> effexor & such can actually make it better sometimes, heh
[12:40] <Lin> deFrysk, non official web site :-)
[12:41] <deFrysk> Lin, dont use not official sites
[12:41] <factotum> Quinn_Storm: yea at times, now that you mention it lol
[12:41] <Myrtti> I tried Remeron, it made me crave for food constantly. I gained weight about 4kilos on one weekend
[12:41] <factotum> wow
[12:41] <Myrtti> the sweet cravings were awful
[12:41] <IcedKiwi> omg! thats like totally horribl
[12:41] <Lin> deFrysk, some one here recommends me :-D
[12:41] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: I'm too skinny so that'd be kinda a good thing for me, lol
[12:41] <deFrysk> white and blue must be mdk yukkie
[12:42] <visor> is there a way to change the default QT look without having to install KDE?
[12:42] <IcedKiwi> i dont get cravings except around that time of month
[12:42] <deFrysk> Lin, silly someone
[12:42] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: well I was and still am on a diet, so the doctor kindly changed the medication
[12:42] <Lin> deFrysk, I'm not a newbie.. I'm writting a paper for a magazine.
[12:42] <Myrtti> I'm on nothing now, though
[12:42] <deFrysk> visor kdeartwork
[12:42] <Lin> deFrysk, and I'm not a journalist ;-D
[12:42] <deFrysk> Lin, then you should have bookmarked the page ;)
[12:42] <Lin> coffe is over! :-(  I have to do more..
[12:43] <Lin> deFrysk, I have formatted yesterday to install ubuntu hoary
[12:43] <selinium_> mameluke: haven't had a chance to try yet!
[12:43] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: heh, personally I'm 5'8" tall (~173 centimeters) and plan to get up to around 220lbs (~100kilos)...and yes I'm female in case that wasn't clear
[12:43] <deFrysk> Lin, and what are you trying to find/install ?
[12:43] <Lin> deFrysk, to test it! And I'm amazed with niceties.
[12:43] <Lin> deFrysk, nothing.. just the url.. Every thing is working fine
[12:43] <selinium_> mameluke: is it worth finding the old files and replacing them with the new ones? Do i need to uninstall the old one first?
[12:44] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: yes, me too, female, 163cms, used to weigh 106kgs, have lost 20kg's in a year
[12:44] <deFrysk> blue and white is pretty vague for finding an url ;)
[12:44] <factotum> maybe your looking for the unofficial how-to's?
[12:44] <Lin> deFrysk, but in that website they helps to install Sun Java, Real Player and others
[12:44] <gholen> does anyone know why my mouse freezes all the time
[12:44] <Myrtti> or have --> did
[12:44] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: aww, you should have kept it on, I bet you were cute...but then as you can tell I have a thing for chubby girls, heh
[12:44] <deFrysk> Lin, the link I gave does that too and its official ;)
[12:44] <IcedKiwi> im female, about five foot six and 85 kg give or take 4 kg depending on the time of day and my mood
[12:44] <onno> is there a know issue's page for the hoary preview
[12:45] <mameluke> selinium_, no idea :P
[12:45] <onno> as ubuntu warty crased I'm going to install hoary
[12:45] <Lin> deFrysk, sun java isn't there :-D
[12:45] <Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: cool
[12:45] <Lin> deFrysk, but ok.. I will point to here! :-D
[12:45] <deFrysk> Lin, read the page better
[12:46] <IcedKiwi> i want to be around 50 kg though, max
[12:46] <Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: why?!
[12:46] <factotum> onno: so stable crashed, to resolve the problem your going to install beta?
[12:46] <Lin> deFrysk, ok.. there is a little Link in Java sub topic ;-)
[12:46] <IcedKiwi> im 14, everyone else at school is really skinny and i cant wear what i wanna
[12:46] <deFrysk> lin there is a story on that page about jave including this link
[12:47] <IcedKiwi> i wouldnt wanna dress like everyone else though
[12:47] <deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:47] <Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: well its not your fault the society is screwed up and focused on women being stupidly skinny
[12:47] <IcedKiwi> thats for sure
[12:47] <IcedKiwi> i dont want to be stupidly skinny
[12:47] <IcedKiwi> i just want to be comfortable in my own skin
[12:47] <Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: well...50 kg at your height, to me, is far too thin, but its your choice
[12:47] <onno> factotum: /etc disapeared... I'm not afraid of the beta...
[12:48] <Lin> deFrysk, i have read already.. thank you !
[12:48] <factotum> whatever works i guess :/
[12:48] <onno> I was anyway about to do it as preview prob. Is very stable and soon ubuntu hoary will be stable
[12:48] <onno> so I forsee little problems, but I want to overview what problems there still are
[12:48] <IcedKiwi> my weight can change as much as 5kg in one day
[12:48] <IcedKiwi> sometimes more
[12:48] <deFrysk> Lin, and next time stay away from non official howto-pages specially when writing a story
[12:49] <IcedKiwi> its rediculous
[12:49] <Lin> deFrysk, just a last question: There is some project to make a ubuntu graphical installer?
[12:49] <IcedKiwi> anyway, heres what some of the side affects of my old med are
[12:49] <IcedKiwi> Risperidone ( Symptoms or Effects )
[12:49] <IcedKiwi> Common: Lethargy / sleepiness,low blood pressure, dry mouth,blurred vision,constipation, weight gain,difficulty urinating, nasal irritation / stuffiness,or stiffness.
[12:49] <black_Nightmare> lin I think its best text-based
[12:49] <Lin> deFrysk, all right!
[12:49] <Lin> black_Nightmare, me too..
[12:49] <black_Nightmare> graphics often are useless... windows setup you see too much of then around screen
[12:49] <deFrysk> Lin, not that I know of , the installer of ubuntu is very easy to use and powerfull
[12:49] <selinium_> So Neo, do you take the Red pill.... or the Blue pill.... :)
[12:50] <Lin> black_Nightmare, I'm a debian power user... but..
[12:50] <IcedKiwi> i personally would rather install linux than windows
[12:50] <IcedKiwi> its so much easier
[12:50] <IcedKiwi> oh
[12:50] <IcedKiwi> i love the matrix
[12:50] <IcedKiwi> like trinity is my idol!
[12:50] <factotum> i figure, if im not going to be using X anyways, why have a graphic installer?
[12:50] <black_Nightmare> hm..I was looking at the ubuntu screenshots and I now have one minor complain :p
[12:50] <Lin> IcedKiwi, Persephone is better! :-D
[12:50] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:50] <Quinn_Storm> bleh...trinity needs to eat something...but then a good 99% of actresses do...
[12:50] <deFrysk> black_Nightmare, I hate ubuntu brown :D
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> defry..lol no not that kind of thing :))
[12:51] <deFrysk> thank god for themeing
[12:51] <IcedKiwi> she dresses well though (inside the matrix, that is)
[12:51] <Myrtti> I want something girlish
[12:51] <Lin> deFrysk, there is others who hate too..
[12:51] <IcedKiwi> Nairobi is cool
[12:51] <Quinn_Storm> I agree with that though I like the whole tight shiny black stuff look, heh
[12:51] <Myrtti> I had Sakura login screen, that was about the girlishy thing I found
[12:51] <resiak> It makes me want to hurt people...
[12:51] <Myrtti> and I want matching themes
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> defy = http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=156&slide=36 does either that computer actually have a 5.25" drive or is the mixedup term rearing its head again?
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:51] <selinium_> Nairobi certainly is cool!
[12:51] <Myrtti> the whole shebang
[12:51] <IcedKiwi> as long as its looks good and you can move, its ok
[12:51] <black_Nightmare>  3.5" = diskette or disk for short
[12:52] <black_Nightmare> but then thats only a minor naming complain
[12:52] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[12:52] <selinium_> Starting to think we should all move to #matrix :)
[12:52] <IcedKiwi> and Jada Pinkett-Smith is married to Will Smith, so she'd better be cool
[12:52] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:52] <IcedKiwi> i can talk on the # rooms
[12:52] <IcedKiwi> *cant talk
[12:52] <mattgirv> Hey :)
[12:52] <IcedKiwi> hi
[12:53] <mattgirv> How can I have an icon, start a program in sudo :/
[12:53] <mameluke> does anybody know why apt holds some packages back as i switched to hoary?
[12:53] <mameluke> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded.
[12:54] <deFrysk> mattgirv, gnomesu or in kde kdesu
[12:54] <mattgirv> erm, because you manually upgrade them :)
[12:54] <IcedKiwi> what is the name of the new version coming out in may?
[12:54] <mattgirv> deFrysk: thanks :D
[12:54] <mameluke> mattgirv, i have to do it manualy?
[12:54] <Myrtti> mameluke: did you do a upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[12:54] <mameluke> Myrtti, both
[12:54] <kosmos> grumpy groundhog
[12:54] <IcedKiwi> ok'
[12:54] <mattgirv> oh if you did both im not sure
[12:54] <kosmos> something like that
[12:54] <factotum> poopy porcupine
[12:54] <IcedKiwi> why would someone name it someting like that?
[12:55] <IcedKiwi> lol
[12:55] <IcedKiwi> i think a cool name for one would be 'zippy zebra'
[12:55] <mameluke> but there's no hog in it
[12:56] <IcedKiwi> i guess
[12:56] <GNAM> i don't agree two distros ubuntu/kubuntu... there's double work about nothing
[12:57] <arek> mameluke: check which packages are hold and try to upgrade 1 at  the time
[12:57] <factotum> sbut apt-getting kde is soo hard LOL
[12:57] <mameluke> soggy road hog
[12:57] <deFrysk> GNAM, so ?
[12:57] <GNAM> auau
[12:57] <GNAM> so there must be one only distro
[12:57] <mameluke> arek, each of the 31?
[12:57] <mameluke> >_<
[12:57] <deFrysk> GNAM, build one ;)
[12:57] <GNAM> no!
[12:57] <GNAM> less distro than possible!
[12:58] <deFrysk> GNAM, then shus!
[12:58] <Lin> see ya people!
[12:58] <viZion> hi all
[12:58] <IcedKiwi> hi
[12:58] <viZion> i got from #ubuntu-nl and they said i should ask here
[12:58] <arek> mameluke: well there must be some dependency problem you can wait and hope it will go
[12:59] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if ubuntu does not support VB at all...right?
[12:59] <GNAM> visual basic?
[12:59] <GNAM> auaua
[12:59] <GNAM> look at mono for c# support
[12:59] <arek> black_Nightmare: ms does not suport it any more :)
[01:00] <black_Nightmare> gnam - yeah
[01:00] <viZion> i got a problem with my Ati card, how do i get it to work on both monitors (Big-Desktop mode)
[01:00] <viZion> i installed fglrx, and fglrx control.. fglrxinfo gives this
[01:00] <viZion> bart@BartP4:~ $ fglrxinfo
[01:00] <viZion> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:00] <viZion> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[01:00] <viZion> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Generic
[01:00] <viZion> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[01:00] <viZion> If i change settings in fglrxcontrol it says to restart X, but nothing happends after that
[01:00] <black_Nightmare> arek hm so I guess I'll have to figure qemu for VB programs then?
[01:00] <mameluke> arek, i also think i wait first.. but strang that i'm the only one :P
[01:01] <viZion> VB can work
[01:01] <arek> mameluke: maybe u mixed some universe packages
[01:01] <viZion> with wine, at least Wine support the VB6 IDE
[01:01] <black_Nightmare> vizion hmm ok making me wondering about trying one thing myself
[01:01] <viZion> and MS is still supporting it, (extended support)
[01:01] <black_Nightmare> ubuntu has support for usb1.1 or no?
[01:02] <GNAM> seems sure
[01:02] <arek> well they decided to drop support on vb it was on /.
[01:02] <black_Nightmare> hm ok...well this project I'll try might be interesting....
[01:02] <viZion> they drop normal support
[01:02] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about the hp scanjet's?
[01:02] <GNAM> auauau
[01:02] <mameluke> thx anyway.. as long as everyting runs i won't do anything... arek ;)
[01:02] <GNAM> try
[01:03] <GNAM> time required to install ubuntu: 1h
[01:03] <GNAM> and a free partition.
[01:03] <viZion> extended support will still be available for VB6
[01:03] <viZion> also vb6 WILL work under Longhorn
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> I guess not
[01:03] <IcedKiwi> when is longhorn coming out?
[01:03] <GNAM> ubuntu is best distro for newbies
[01:04] <IcedKiwi> FC3 is pretty though
[01:04] <viZion> no its not gnam
[01:04] <deFrysk> IcedKiwi, anymoths foolsday
[01:04] <GNAM> and also for others :P
[01:04] <deFrysk> anymonths
[01:04] <IcedKiwi> ??
[01:04] <viZion> unbuntu fucked up my MBR and Parttable!! i lost alllll my data
[01:04] <IcedKiwi> lol
[01:04] <GNAM> fedora 2 fucked my MBR
[01:04] <GNAM> aauaua
[01:04] <arek> it  can be nice distro
[01:05] <rapha> viZion: Your data is still on the disk.
[01:05] <viZion> no it wasnt
[01:05] <black_Nightmare> *sigh* .. its a usb flatbed scanner with transparency attachment ..... and under 98se it uses a bit of VB because I remember having to install some libraries etc before I could even use the program.  but then I dunno if its the scanner driver or just the program that is needing VB
[01:05] <IcedKiwi> ive got ubuntu and Fedora core 3
[01:05] <viZion> luckely i got backup of december of my music
[01:05] <deFrysk> <--w2k and ubuntu
[01:05] <black_Nightmare> but then..if I can figure a pci scsi card into ubuntu I *may* use scanmaker E3 instead (its a bit of a big old scanner hehe)
[01:05] <zzyber> can someone tip me about som log reading program for ubuntu
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> brb for a while anyhow
[01:06] <rapha> viZion: Have you even _tried_ to recover your partition table?
[01:06] <claint> zzyber : less
[01:06] <viZion> yes i did
[01:06] <rapha> viZion: (And btw: no OS I've ever seen in the 18 years of using computers has fucked up a partition table _by_itself_)
[01:06] <viZion> installing of Grub Failed
[01:07] <arek> black_Nightmare: i got my epson perfection after compiling cvs sane are you sure there is no backend for your scanner?
[01:07] <zzyber> claint, less is..........working but :-) I really need some more developed gui kind of logger
[01:07] <viZion> i guess it failed because i had my XP on NTFS partition
[01:07] <rapha> viZion: Just that: "failed"? No more verbose error message?
[01:07] <GNAM> everyone has xp on NTFS partition
[01:07] <rapha> viZion: More people have that setup
[01:07] <claint> zzyber : you mean viewer
[01:07] <zzyber> claint, yes, of course. Sorry
[01:08] <claint> zzyber : the thing is logs are text messages. you need to differentiate or something?
[01:08] <scizzo> GNAM: no...not me
[01:08] <scizzo> GNAM: I use fat
[01:08] <viZion> well i got a GRUB error after installing
[01:08] <rapha> After installing?
[01:08] <rapha> What do you mean?
[01:08] <zzyber> claint, yes but isnt there some log viewer with pre defined scheme
[01:08] <scizzo> viZion: the fact is that you actually have to think and know how and what to partition.
[01:09] <GNAM> fat only if you want read/write partition with linux.
[01:09] <viZion> installing ubuntu, and then it installs GRUB
[01:09] <scizzo> viZion: what has screwed your partitions up is what you tell the install todo
[01:09] <onno> how can you use scp not to copy a file but a complete directory?
[01:09] <claint> zzyber : probably there is. what do you want it to do?
[01:09] <scizzo> onno: scp -r or -R
[01:09] <IcedKiwi> i have to go now
[01:09] <IcedKiwi> bye
[01:09] <scizzo> onno: recursive
[01:09] <onno> ok should have know that
[01:10] <viZion> scizzo, i'm not saying it wasnt my fault.. i only say that the setup is in that way not n00b proof enough to make it clear for people, that they should NOT install grub in their MBR but in a seperate /boot partition
[01:10] <scizzo> viZion: ?
[01:10] <scizzo> viZion: what you should maybe do is to read the information....
[01:11] <viZion> i did
[01:11] <zzyber> claint, read why my computer hangs after a couple of hours of running ubuntu, started a couple of day ago and i think it could be a update or a harware failure but i want to know for sure and i dont know where to look for information and i dont know where debian (ubuntu) store information just before a hard reset
[01:11] <claint> viZion : what's wrong with MBR installation anyways?
[01:11] <onno> how can it be that the compleet /etc directory disapears from my laptop
[01:11] <viZion> well it didnt work with me
[01:11] <scizzo> viZion: there is guides to stuff...and of course...if you go to the page you will also see that there has been one release of ubuntu and the second is comming soon
[01:11] <mameluke> viZion, i have it in my MBR and never hab Probs
[01:11] <onno> ubuntu warty
[01:11] <viZion> i had no problems with fedora core 3, Grub2 in my MBR
[01:12] <claint> zzyber : i dont have an ubuntu/deb machine with me, but regularly you "less /var/log/messages"
[01:12] <viZion> only now i did had problems with ubuntu in my mbr
[01:12] <claint> zzyber : you could also watch it real time with "tail -f /var/log/messages"
[01:12] <scizzo> viZion: how did you partition and what did you tell the install that the bootable partition should be?
[01:12] <claint> zzyber : kernel panics and such should be logged, if that is your problem.
[01:12] <deFrysk> make sure not to use xfs when using grub and things should work fine
[01:13] <deFrysk> in /boot that is
[01:14] <viZion> hd0: Windows XP NTFS
[01:14] <viZion> hd1: Misc Part, FAT32
[01:14] <viZion> hd2: Music Part, FAT32
[01:14] <viZion> hd3: Documents, NTFS
[01:14] <viZion> hd4: /boot ext2
[01:14] <viZion> hd5: /swap
[01:14] <viZion> hd6: / ext3
[01:14] <zzyber> claint, aha, i looked at messages and it may be ACPI that is troubeling me, i will disabe it and se whats happening
[01:14] <scizzo> viZion: and which one is bootable?
[01:14] <viZion> i said hd4 should
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> back
[01:15] <data> hi
[01:15] <viZion> what i have now is:
[01:15] <viZion> hd0: Windows XP, FAT32
[01:15] <viZion> hd1: Misc, FAT32
[01:15] <viZion> hd2: Music, FAT32
[01:15] <viZion> hd3: /boot ext2 (bootable)
[01:15] <viZion> hd4: swap
[01:15] <viZion> hd5: / Ext3
[01:16] <data> im very very new to ubuntu and im having a problem with other hdds on this pc. the os doesnt see them .. can anyone help?
[01:16] <viZion> i havent got it to dual-boot with windows yet, bu at least, dont have Grub freezing anymore, and actually starts ubuntu
[01:16] <Cam-> so many hard drives
[01:16] <black_Nightmare> arek I haven't even installed ubuntu yet but....its just that a similar scanner to mine seem to be no good with BE & similar as shown here http://www.bedrivers.com/hardware/list.php?category=30&sub=39 so made me wonder
[01:16] <mameluke> data what tells df -H?
[01:16] <Cam-> vizion
[01:16] <Cam-> dont u mean
[01:17] <Cam-> same hdxa b c d
[01:17] <Cam-> etc
[01:17] <Cam-> not
[01:17] <Cam-> because what your saying is u have 5 physical hard drives
[01:17] <viZion> oh i mean hda0 etc....
[01:17] <Cam-> yer was gonna say
[01:17] <Cam-> it might be something wrong with your raid
[01:17] <Cam-> =P
[01:17] <viZion> 5 physicals, no haha :D im not installing linux on my server
[01:18] <arek> black_Nightmare: what is your model name?
[01:18] <data> mame....can u say that in lay terms??
[01:18] <claint> viZion : so windows is still there and you want to be able to boot to it?
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> arek.. scanjet 4700c I believe -- ughh its upstairs in garage now ~ douf to that lol
[01:19] <viZion> claint, i got like 30 installs thru the weekend
[01:19] <viZion> and yes i got a Windows part, i wish to boot now
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> the scanmaker E3 is here in my bedroom thou..just having a bit problem tryign figure if the locker is stuck or not [the thing to lock down during transportation] 
[01:19] <viZion> i need to edit the boot.list right
[01:19] <claint> viZion : menu.lst i think in ubuntu.
[01:20] <viZion> yes menu.lst
[01:20] <data> i got 2 other hdds ntfs 180gb and 200gb
[01:20] <claint> viZion : should be in /boot/grub
[01:20] <viZion> i already edit it when i downloaded new kernel
[01:20] <claint> viZion : then run grub again.
[01:20] <claint> viZion : and type the necessary commands to install the bootloader once again.
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> jeeze...I just looked and there must be like 200+ small games for ubuntu/hoary *faints*
[01:21] <viZion> what do i need to edit in the mnu.lst so i can boot windows, on hda0 ?
[01:21] <mameluke> data if you don't write my nick i don't see what you write
[01:21] <mameluke> because it's not highlitet data
[01:22] <mameluke> data do you know what a shell is?
[01:23] <data> mameluke : nope. what is shell? sorry im clueless on linux
[01:23] <black_Nightmare> stupid question heh what kind of graphic engine(s) does ubuntu use?  for hoary x86 installion that is
[01:23] <rapha> Okay.
[01:23] <rapha> Since nobody in here has been answering, I'll just file a bug now.
[01:23] <rapha> Noone else experiencing sound problems with Hoary that they didn't have with Warty?
[01:23] <mameluke> data hrmmm i have tho gnome on german... so it's difficult for me ti tell you how to open a shell >_<
[01:23] <viZion> yes i did rapha
[01:24] <claint> viZion : that is several lines. should be a page for ubuntu.
[01:24] <viZion> my sound stopped working with the warty ->hoary
[01:24] <rapha> Hah
[01:24] <rapha> Just like me
[01:24] <data> mameluke : is there a www that can help maybe?
[01:24] <viZion> i got Audigy 2
[01:24] <mameluke> data search for something called Terminal or Shell.. its in the menue
[01:24] <rapha> viZion: mixers turned right up, unmuted, plenty perms on /dev/{dsp,mixer}, gstreamer unable to make an ALSA pipe?
[01:25] <black_Nightmare> LOL Pingus -- damn I remember lemmings some years ago :">
[01:25] <viZion> no mutes for sure
[01:25] <supos> Is it possible to install Hoary without installing Warty first and then dist-upgrading?
[01:25] <crimsun> rapha: is esd or polypaudio running?
[01:25] <schasi> of course supos, there are cds for it
[01:25] <data> mameluke found it opened it
[01:25] <mameluke> ok... then type df -H
[01:26] <schasi> supos: Just look in the topic
[01:26] <rapha> crimsun: Don't think sound servers here. Even cat'ing to /dev/dsp doesn't do a thing.
[01:26] <claint> viZion : ill just give you the lines, it is going to be easier than finding a page.
[01:26] <mameluke> data if you don't know how to use a shell you are lost with linux
[01:26] <viZion> ok thanx claint
[01:26] <crimsun> rapha: not a good test
[01:26] <data> mameluke only show the hdd that i installed linux on
[01:26] <rapha> crimsun: I suspect it to be an ALSA problem, but I'm not sure. Foresight Desktop Linux behaves like Hoary.
[01:26] <mameluke> data there are several turtorials in the web how tu use shell's
[01:26] <crimsun> rapha: does aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav work?
[01:26] <rapha> crimsun: Warty plays just fine.
[01:27] <rapha> crimsun: Didn't try aplay yet, but I'll give it a spin... second
[01:27] <Shambler> does ne1 know, how i can remove that "debian" menu folder in gnome?
[01:27] <mameluke> data can u paste it in my query?
[01:27] <crimsun> Shambler: remove the menu and menu-xdg packages
[01:27] <supos> schasi: Doh! thanks a lot. I'm coming from Debian, where there are no official cds for upcoming releases (at least not the last time I wanted to install one)
[01:28] <claint> hi
[01:28] <schasi> supos: I know im running debian atm
[01:28] <Shambler> crimsun: thx!
[01:28] <topyl1> hrmpf. how do i kill topyl1? it's a zombie of myself :\
[01:28] <Albacker> http://albacker.spymac.net/emacs.png <what's the problem here ?
[01:29] <topyl1> oh, that's who i am currently. topyli is the zombie :)
[01:29] <supos> schasi: Me too, this is my parents' computer, and I thought Ubuntu would be a nice choice for them
[01:29] <black_Nightmare> do I quite need to get 256mb of ram before I install ubuntu or not quite so?
[01:29] <rapha> crimsun: Okay, doesn't work like expected. It *appears* to be working, there's just no audible output.
[01:29] <niciqy> I am using Ubuntu virtual PC, samba able to see other network PC but not the one it is running on. Why??
[01:29] <resiak> rapha: Have you used alsamixer (or similar) to unmute things?
[01:30] <rapha> resiak: Like I said above, I unmuted every freaking control I could find.
[01:30] <mjr> black_Nightmare, not quite
[01:30] <resiak> rapha: Sorry, wasn't watching.
[01:30] <rapha> resiak: nm :)
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> mjr hmm so I could try install now then put the 2nd 128mb stick in at later date when I locate one?
[01:31] <niciqy> I am using Ubuntu virtual PC, samba able to see other network PC but not the one it is running on. Why?? could it be a port problem??
[01:31] <mjr> black_Nightmare, sure
[01:31] <schasi> supos: Why do you use hoary then?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> ty mjr..I'll just have to clear up the hardwares inside the box then...ughh find my mointor for it lol
[01:31] <mjr> black_Nightmare, should be fine; gnome will probably get snappier with the other stick in, but it shouldn't be unusable with just 128
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> mjr....correct me if I'm wrong but linux uses virtual ram as a small partition?
[01:32] <rapha> crimsun: No further ideas?
[01:33] <mjr> black_Nightmare, well, you're half right; Linux can use either partitions or files for swapping (or more correctly, paging, but swapping it calls it...)
[01:33] <mjr> black_Nightmare, usually installers want to create swap partitions
[01:33] <arek> black_Nightmare: yes at boot time, initrd
[01:33] <supos> schasi: I'm not, I just wanted to try it out, to see what it's like
[01:33] <crimsun> rapha: I recommend you build 1.0.8 from universe's alsa-source
[01:34] <black_Nightmare> hmm....
[01:34] <crimsun> rapha: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) fakeroot kernel-package
[01:34] <crimsun> rapha: sudo adduser $USER src
[01:34] <arek> black_Nightmare: you can mount part of your ram any time you want
[01:34] <crimsun> rapha: sudo apt-get install alsa-source
[01:35] <black_Nightmare> boot partition, home partition, swap partition .. am I missing any more partitions? :p
[01:35] <mjr> hmm, one of us is confused
[01:35] <crimsun> rapha: then read the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[01:35] <teleyinex> hi
[01:35] <black_Nightmare> arek.. 'mount part of your ram' .. really?  do you mean like you can unmount sticks?
[01:35] <teleyinex> im trying to use mutt in my console
[01:35] <mjr> black_Nightmare, you were talking about swap, right, not ram disks which arek talks about? :)
[01:35] <mjr> right
[01:35] <teleyinex> in framebuffer
[01:35] <teleyinex> but i get lots of strange characters due to UTF8
[01:35] <black_Nightmare> hm thats interesting..I always thought about drives and extra cpu being unmounted but never ram
[01:36] <teleyinex> but if i do a ls i dont see my utf8 folders
[01:36] <teleyinex> how can i fix it
[01:36] <teleyinex> im in hoary
[01:36] <arek> you can separate part of your ram and use it same as harddrive or a stick
[01:36] <mjr> black_Nightmare, well, if by boot you mean /boot, then you want root, but really, I'd just go with one root partition and one swap partition and avoid most of that partition mess...
[01:36] <niciqy> can anyone help me###?
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> mjr...oh ok so the boot partition isn't a necessary thing?
[01:36] <arek> using it as swap  got no sens though
[01:36] <HappyPills> dagnamnit... ndiswrapper won't install without the kernel source and the version designed for ubuntu is incompatible with my card =(
[01:37] <mjr> black_Nightmare, with older hardware it is, in cases where the BIOS can't see the whole disk
[01:37] <arek> with new udev its also necessary
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> mjr...I know mine bios can (beside 2.5gb's?  only an AT bios might not be able to see that)
[01:37] <mjr> black_Nightmare, if that's the case for you then you do want a separate /boot somewhere where the bios can find it (typically, at the start of disk)
[01:38] <mjr> black_Nightmare, then you don't need a separate /boot
[01:38] <black_Nightmare> oh so just the main root and a swap partition?
[01:38] <mjr> that's what I'd recommend for a typical workstation, yes
[01:38] <mjr> there might be some arguments for /home (but then again, some against)
[01:40] <arek> with time everyone separates /var /home / and /boot
[01:40] <mjr> incorrect
[01:40] <teleyinex> noone has problems with utf8?
[01:40] <mjr> I used to do that back when Linux was young, but there's really no point for a workstation. For a server, maybe.
[01:41] <rapha> crimsun: I'll try...
[01:41] <mjr> teleyinex, not notably (slrn needs screen's conversion though, grr ;/ )
[01:41] <teleyinex> mjr  i cant read my mails trough mutt
[01:41] <teleyinex> i only see weird characters
[01:42] <teleyinex> how can i make that via ssh to my pc i can use utf8
[01:42] <black_Nightmare> any of you heard of lincity? :p
[01:42] <mjr> black_Nightmare, yah, it was fun for a while
[01:43] <mjr> teleyinex, you need to tell your local ssh client (or the terminal emulator it's run in) to use it too
[01:43] <mjr> sadly, ssh doesn't negotiate character sets
[01:43] <teleyinex> how?
[01:43] <mjr> teleyinex, depends, what're you using?
[01:43] <teleyinex> im using now putty
[01:43] <black_Nightmare> mjr - I never thought there would be something more areal than simcity -- having to look after the tiny details
[01:43] <resiak> teleyinex: Look in its Translations option bit.
[01:43] <mjr> well, putty should support utf8, see the preferences
[01:44] <black_Nightmare> simcity 2K = okay for city building but not as real, simtown = well a tad real but you don't even have construction features at all, etc
[01:44] <teleyinex> ok
[01:44] <teleyinex> wait a sec
[01:44] <black_Nightmare> guess I'll have to try lincity too..lol
[01:44] <mjr> curiosity: there was a linux port of the official simcity semi-available in the mid-90's
[01:44] <mameluke> bb
[01:45] <teleyinex> thanks a lot mj4
[01:45] <teleyinex> thanks a lot mjr
[01:45] <teleyinex> you have save me
[01:45] <teleyinex> pardon safe me
[01:45] <teleyinex> ;)
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> mjr well the lincity screenshot seem to make thing look so real -- you have to actually look after your own material supply&demand.. even with ore too
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> interesting hehe
[01:45] <onno> how do you output this in a file "ls /var | ????
[01:45] <mattgirv> like transport tycoon then?
[01:45] <onno> what should be on ????
[01:45] <teleyinex> cya
[01:46] <mattgirv> i think A-Train was the most complex and fun, but it was severely underrated :(
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> matt... a-train I remembered the very old maxis.com site where I downloaded the atrain slideshow demo and kept using it several times on an old 386 ... father said he asked several stores to no luck these days....
[01:47] <mattgirv> hehe
[01:47] <mattgirv> yeah it had very high requirements
[01:47] <mattgirv> i still have it, for the amiga though.
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> does slackware display a message on every login ?
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> how does slackware display a message on every login ?
[01:48] <claint> what do you mean?
[01:48] <black_Nightmare> fastforward to around a year ago... aunt (grandfather's sister) already had a laptop and was starting to add more things to it so somehow that long-unused 386 finally had to go and so I took it home to diassemble [and I wasn't a kid anymore, go figure] 
[01:48] <resiak> da_bon_bon: #slackware ?
[01:48] <black_Nightmare> and I found the old a-train demo left on the hd...but seeing its uselessness I deleted it
[01:48] <mattgirv> lol
[01:48] <claint> da_bon_bon : you mean a message at the login prompt or a message after you login?
[01:49] <mattgirv> i still play it now, and elite/frontier elite
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> but somehow a-train still kinda lingered a tad bit in my mind..and when I was looking at a hotline for 68k/ppc I found a mac version of a-train so decided to try it
[01:49] <mattgirv> hehe, all still very fun
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> claint: after login
[01:49] <spacey> he should go to #slackware
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> only played about a hour max then deleted it...being glad I did not really buy it
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> resiak: oh VERY sorry, selected the wrong tab.. sorry
[01:49] <claint> da_bon_bon : you mean something different each time?
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> it just wasn't much fun at all trying to figure out how things actually worked
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> go figure
[01:49] <mattgirv> black_Nightmare: yeah you seriously have to put a lot of time into it
[01:49] <mattgirv> for it to actually be enjoyable :/
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> claint: yes. kindova a MOTD
[01:49] <claint> elite rocked. considering it was done in assmbly.
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> matt....well eh not my kind anyhow
[01:50] <mattgirv> hehe
[01:50] <claint> i mean even elite frontier was done in assembly.
[01:50] <black_Nightmare> simcity 2000 collection cd = for the ppc ... was quite nice especially the construction kit
[01:50] <mattgirv> frontier elite 2, was also superb but it simply was too slow on the amiga :(
[01:50] <mattgirv> and the pc for that matter
[01:50] <mattgirv> black_Nightmare: Yeah, urban renewal kit :D
[01:50] <mattgirv> lol
[01:50] <claint> da_bon_bon : that is fortune. if you put it in your login scripts, you can see it everytime you login, no matter which distro you got,
[01:50] <claint> da_bon_bon : slack has it by default.
[01:51] <black_Nightmare> matt...the weird thing was that the cd jewel shows windows graphic on rear but the cd ONLY works on the mac
[01:51] <gsuveg> re
[01:51] <mattgirv> lol
[01:51] <black_Nightmare> I never could even locate a 'collection cd' for the pc so I'm thinking I have a rare cd :)
[01:51] <gsuveg> whats vncserver is good for hoary ?
[01:51] <mattgirv> OpenTTD is great though
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> claint: how do i get it in ubuntu ?
[01:51] <mattgirv> Nah i got the collection cd
[01:51] <mattgirv> :P
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> oh and matt.. 'x-wing collection cd' also mac-only as well.  even for a road apple 100mhz the game runs full blaze speed...heh :)
[01:52] <mattgirv> i know what happened as well, apprently it shipped with a LOT of major bugs and they pulled it from shelves,
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> but I also never play that one much anymore for some reason
[01:52] <mattgirv> then released it as budget a few years later
[01:52] <mattgirv> hehe i got X-Wing for the pc,
[01:52] <claint> type 'fortune' from a terminal to see if you got it first. if not, apt-get
[01:52] <mattgirv> and the prima game guide lol
[01:52] <mattgirv> http://www.openttd.com/
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> matt....how about simtower and simfarm? two nice simple games on the mac
[01:53] <mattgirv> Didn't like Simfarm
[01:53] <mattgirv> and Simtower was too simple :P
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> you're weird
[01:53] <mattgirv> what about simearth and simant
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> I had fun trying to run an animal-only farm several times
[01:53] <mattgirv> simearth sucked, but simant was amusing
[01:53] <onno> how do you pipe output to a file?
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> trying to sell when the animal's value were higher
[01:53] <mattgirv> lol
[01:54] <queuetue> My microphone is *very very very* low.  It's a decent quality boom headset mic, and works fine on other systems, so I'm blaming software or hardware on this machine.  Can anyone suggest anything to make kphone useable?
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> simtower -- still never could quite get the hang of it yet...mostly 2 or 3 star towers yet
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> I'm like having a difficult time trying to figure good traffic pattern for OFFICES...jeeze
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> they oftenly jam my elevators to the limit....I still have to try get it right one tower one day
[01:54] <mattgirv> hehe
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> matt...you know how offices are like?  its heavy rush hour in morning and afternoon
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> and to make it worser sometimes the restaurant and condo want to share the same elevator at same time
[01:55] <ccelio> onno, command | tee file
[01:55] <onno> cannot do man |
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> matt... Test Drive?
[01:55] <brrrt> hello, does anyone know if the current hoary em8300 packages support 2.6 kernel?
[01:56] <mattgirv> yeah test drive is great
[01:56] <mattgirv> especially... Test Drive : The Duel!
[01:56] <mattgirv> :D
[01:56] <ccelio> onno, ex: ls -l | tee file-list.txt
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> Test Drive 4 here.  got Test Drive 5 for some time but never quite liked it including was a bit more difficult to control so some time later finally sold it away
[01:56] <onno> ok thanxs
[01:57] <ccelio> onno, you are welcome :-)
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> liked some of the cheats in Test Drive 4..especially one where all racers are made r/c-sized LOL (it looks very funny racing from a tiny view)
[01:57] <onno> sorry I need to learn and keep forgetting :)
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> once I tried that cheat AND turned traffic on..man you should see how crazy it was trying to avoid tires and slamming straight underneath vehicles too
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> :p
[01:57] <onno> see ya.. rebooting and reinstalling!
[01:59] <mattgirv> lol. hey! do you remember streets of simcity?
[01:59] <mattgirv> :)
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> saw that but never got it
[02:00] <mattgirv> damn it is great
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> played simcopter at someone's like 2-3 times for a short time each thou
[02:00] <kent> Will there be any differences if I upgrade to  final Hoary from Warty (has been using Hoary for some time now), or if I do a new installation of Hoary ?
[02:00] <mattgirv> simcopter is cool :)
[02:01] <mattgirv> kent: I would recommend a new installation but that is just personal preference.
[02:02] <M_Fatih> hi all
[02:02] <kent> mattgirv, and why would you recommand it?  Sorry if i ask stupid questions, its just that Im curios about how it works. If there can be differences from an upgrade compared to a new installation.
[02:02] <M_Fatih> i want to disable apache's autoindex, i installed & using apache2, i can't find autoindex.so or configuration section :(
[02:03] <M_Fatih> can i do it  another way?
[02:03] <mattgirv> i just think when it is a completely new build of the distro, with a significant amount of changes, such as going from X11 to Xorg, and other major package updates, its safer for your configuration and more likely to work from installing from scratch
[02:04] <mattgirv> xorg acted up when i upgraded from warty,
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> one question...
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> all of these lib* files ... are they like self install or I'll have to learn how to install them myself?
[02:04] <nici> can someone help me with Samba?
[02:04] <mattgirv> ? :)
[02:05] <ubuntu> I'm currently booted up onto a livecd, how would I save my settings (like knoppix can) ?
[02:05] <mattgirv> what lib files? :)
[02:05] <mjr> I recommend an upgrade to hoary; I didn't have X server trouble and if mattgirv did, it was probably on account of hoary not being stable yet
[02:05] <black_Nightmare> matt...any
[02:05] <mjr> (upgrade when it's done, that is)
[02:05] <mjr> (as opposed to fresh install)
[02:05] <dmoyne> during updating from warty to hoary I collected this error message :
[02:05] <mattgirv> you use synaptic anyway mostly, if not you use debs/rpm>deb so it installs it more or less automatically
[02:05] <dmoyne> Cleaning up category truetype..
[02:05] <dmoyne> Unpacking replacement x-ttcidfont-conf ...
[02:05] <dmoyne> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:05] <dmoyne>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:05] <dmoyne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:05] <dmoyne> what do I do
[02:05] <mattgirv> :O:O
[02:06] <mjr> black_Nightmare, libraries are pretty much automatically installed when needed
[02:06] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:06] <kent> mjr, mattgirv, dont get me wrong. I already run Hoary and it works for me. Its just that I was wondering if it would be any differences (like in the configuration-files etc) that will differ now if i continue to use my upgraded Hoary (and final hoary), that is.. if there would be differences from my hoary and a fresh install of hoary.
[02:07] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get remove -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:07] <deFrysk> sorry
[02:07] <black_Nightmare> mjr...hmm so things like these http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libs/libpango1.0-0 would be auto-installed when a program needs them?
[02:07] <mattgirv> kent: ahh, i thought you were upgrading warty>hoary... no dont worry then, i assume it will just be minor package updates from now on
[02:07] <mjr> kent, ah, dunno
[02:07] <dmoyne> I get this : Command line option 'p' [from -p]  is not known.
[02:07] <mjr> black_Nightmare, yes, if you're using apt-get / synaptic for installing stuff
[02:08] <mattgirv> if you arent you can search for libpangol on synaptic
[02:08] <mjr> black_Nightmare, mostly you'd need to manually install them if you want to compile some non-debian source packages
[02:08] <mattgirv> or search google for a deb, then alien -i blahblah.deb :)
[02:08] <andreiz> hi guys. my firefox 1.0.1 does not initiate the download manager if i click on a link. the current workarround is selecting <open with...> and getting the files from /tmp. do you have this problem too ?
[02:08] <mjr> black_Nightmare, or install non-deb binary clunks
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> mjr oh ok ty..was curious about this http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/gnome/abiword anyhow
[02:08] <mattgirv> andreiz: i think that is a bug, on bugzilla but im not sure
[02:09] <andreiz> mattgirv. thanks.
[02:09] <mjr> black_Nightmare, yah, that's a list of packages that installing abiword will pull in (if they're not already present)
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> ty mjr
[02:09] <mattgirv> yep, just apt-get install abiword
[02:09] <mattgirv> should work
[02:09] <dmoyne> to deFrysk  :I get this : Command line option 'p' [from -p]  is not known !
[02:09] <ubuntu> I'm currently booted up onto a livecd, how would I save my settings (like knoppix can) ?
[02:09] <mattgirv> or apt-get install abiword-common
[02:09] <mjr> most of them probably are already installed; pretty basic stuff
[02:10] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get remove -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:10] <black_Nightmare> matt...do I need internet connection or does the abiword download include the libs?
[02:10] <mattgirv> you need an internet connection :)
[02:10] <mattgirv> because it downloads the packages and dependencies for you :)
[02:10] <dmoyne> to deFrysk sorry to insist I get this  :E: Command line option 'p' [from -p]  is not known.
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> oh ughh....remind me to leave the computer here for the time being next to cable modem till I'm sure I got everything I need
[02:11] <viZion> claint
[02:11] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:11] <deFrysk> I think :s
[02:11] <mjr> yeah, an internet connection is preferred (though if all the dependencies are available on apt-indexed CD-ROMs, that'll work too)
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> since it'll be going on dialup for time being under my own useage
[02:11] <viZion> still error 12
[02:11] <mina_linux_Tux> got this error Kernel panic attempted to kill init while Im trying to run the Live CD, may i know what the reason or it's not the place to ask about that
[02:12] <kent> when will Ubuntu.com change the style of the homapge?
[02:12] <dmoyne> to deFrysk : woks and then how to resume update ? ; thanks
[02:12] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:12] <deFrysk> apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> mjr...I guess that I could grab the main programs I need (like abiword) on family's cable then any minor things I need later on (1-3 libs or something) I could just hook up dialup connection for these
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> what you think?
[02:13] <mina_linux_Tux> helloooooooooo anybody there can answer me ?
[02:14] <viZion> deFrysk fryslan boppe?
[02:14] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  hello, what was your question?
[02:14] <brrrt> hello, any dxr3 users here?
[02:14] <mattgirv> black_Nightmare: when you get abiword it will get the libs and dependencies at the same time, so i guess just do it now while you are on cable
[02:14] <deFrysk> viZion, eah
[02:14] <deFrysk> y
[02:14] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: got this error Kernel panic attempted to kill init while Im trying to run the Live CD, may i know what the reason or it's not the place to ask about that
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> matt..yeah thats what I thought.  ty
[02:14] <beloDRAK> I've lost my Xfce panel, someone knows, what to do?
[02:15] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, #xcfe
[02:15] <desplesda> can you tell me the last few lines displayed before the kernel panic?
[02:16] <mina_linux_Tux> some memory addresses
[02:17] <desplesda> that doesn't tell me much, but have you tried any other live cds?
[02:17] <desplesda> is the error reproducible with other distros?
[02:17] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: no
[02:17] <desplesda> is anybody here a livecd maintainer? :)
[02:17] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: i didn't try other distro nor live distro
[02:18] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: may i ask what is the main issue that causes a kernel panic
[02:18] <desplesda> a kernel panic is a major error within the kernel
[02:18] <black_Nightmare> one question.....
[02:18] <Spooks> G'day all
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> could ubuntu use a custom controller?  like say a homemade keypad plugged to serial port?
[02:19] <desplesda> basically it's an error that the kernel can't recover from
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> just curious since ubuntu isn't close-sourced so I can't see why can't figure develop serial drivers
[02:19] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: what if this pc is restarting when runing windows and logged on the net is it a subject of memory ?
[02:19] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  are you saying that it randomly reboots while in windows?
[02:20] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: yes
[02:20] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  that sounds like it could possibly be bad ram
[02:20] <BobaFett> mina_linux_Tux: try changing ram modules...
[02:20] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: what do you mean by dab ram .. what's wrong with it
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> hmm..anyone? heh :)
[02:21] <BobaFett> mina_linux_Tux: or run a memory test-app, to check your ram...if the problem persists, try switching mobos
[02:21] <calc> black_Nightmare: yes its fairly straight forward to write kernel drivers
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> calc...hmm ty
[02:21] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  ram can break, like any other component of a computer. ram usually is damaged by electrostatic discharges
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> brb...I'm wondering about something else :)
[02:21] <calc> black_Nightmare: oreilly has a few books that might be useful to read
[02:22] <calc> black_Nightmare: understanding linux kernel and linux device drivers
[02:22] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  when you boot up the ubuntu livecd you should be presented with a 'memtest' option in that boot menu
[02:22] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  give that a run and see what it turns up
[02:22] <dmoyne> to deFrysk : I collected this at the very end : Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:22] <dmoyne>  kdepim-doc-html
[02:22] <dmoyne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:23] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  i should warn you that it might take a while :)
[02:23] <dmoyne> Can this be fixed ! ; thanks
[02:25] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get -f sinstall
[02:25] <deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get -f install
[02:25] <deFrysk> i mean
[02:25] <cusco> apt hs ssuper cow powers
[02:25] <cusco> lol
[02:25] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if it returns any errors, you may need to replace some or all of your ram
[02:25] <ubuntu> is it possible to save your custom settings on a livecd like knoppix can ?
[02:25] <calc> black_Nightmare: actually for devices just using a serial port you can communicate with them via a serial library like pyserial for python
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> calc..well thats only half of it...
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> the other half is figuring some kind of chip/chipset to have several keys sent through just one data line [a bit like what PS/2 already does] 
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> could be fun to have your own custom keyboard control for your ubuntu computer hehe
[02:27] <calc> ah ok i didn't realize you were designing the serial device to be used ;)
[02:27] <deFrysk> ubuntu, save settings on a read only device is a hard thing to do
[02:27] <black_Nightmare> bye then calc and ty anyhow
[02:27] <black_Nightmare> defry..I would say if you need to save something..maybe how about plug an ide>CF adapter for few bucks in then buy any cheap CF card and there? :p
[02:27] <ubuntu> deFrysk> knoppix has an option to save settings to a writtable device, and pick them up on next reboot
[02:28] <deFrysk> ubuntu, ok I see
[02:28] <Dr_Willis> knoppix can be so handy
[02:28] <ubuntu> I thought the ubuntu livecds were based on knoppix ?
[02:29] <sianis> hi al
[02:29] <mjr> gnoppix, I think. And now gnoppix is based on Ubuntu :)
[02:29] <mjr> full circle
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  not sure - but 'based' on - can be room fr a lot of changes.
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> a lot of those live cd's have a 'scan for a home dir' type featre that they can make on a usb thumb drive.
[02:30] <ubuntu> are there any remastering howtos, or cvs/svn repositories, for the livecds ?
[02:30] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  are you there?
[02:30] <mijndert> Hi. Does anybody know if the Yamaha YMF715 sound card works in Ubuntu Hoary ?
[02:30] <mattgirv> Can I use Evolution as a newsreader?
[02:30] <Seveas> mattgirv, yes
[02:31] <mattgirv> Is it the best app (GTK) for newsreading
[02:31] <Seveas> nope :)
[02:31] <mattgirv> or is there a better alternative
[02:31] <ubuntu> mijndert> I think that might be the snd-ymfpci ALSA module... so quite likely yes
[02:31] <Seveas> i would like to suggest pan
[02:31] <mattgirv> ahh, can you recommend me one please :)
[02:31] <mattgirv> ok
[02:31] <mijndert> ubuntu, okay.. My SiS chip doesn't work, but I do have the yamaha sound card :) gonna try that
[02:32] <Seveas> looks a bit like agent or dialog under windows
[02:32] <mattgirv> Where can I get a free news server from? :P
[02:32] <ubuntu> mijndert> yeah, modprobe that driver and it just might work
[02:32] <matthew> anyone know how to make the gnome torretn work on hoary
[02:32] <Seveas> hmm, that depends on your interests
[02:32] <mijndert> ubuntu, thank you for your help :)
[02:32] <desplesda> mijndert:  according to modinfo the ymfpci driver suppers 'YMF7xx' cards
[02:32] <mattgirv> Not for downloading ;)
[02:32] <Seveas> mattgirv, one sec
[02:32] <dmoyne> to deFysk on apt-get -f install I still collect this :
[02:32] <mijndert> cool :D
[02:32] <dmoyne> ......
[02:32] <dmoyne> Setting up kdepim-doc-html (3.4.0-0ubuntu3) ...
[02:32] <dmoyne> cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kcontrol/kalarmd/.dhelp': No such file or directory
[02:32] <dmoyne> dpkg: error processing kdepim-doc-html (--configure):
[02:32] <dmoyne>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[02:32] <dmoyne> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:32] <dmoyne>  kdepim-doc-html
[02:32] <dmoyne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:32] <desplesda> supports* :P
[02:33] <Xappe> hmm, i'm doing a reinstall of Hoary. any issues with the array7 cd?
[02:33] <mattgirv> Seveas: Sure :)
[02:34] <matthew> anyone know how to make the gnome torretn work on hoary
[02:34] <Seveas> mattgirv, there is a german university that has a free newsserver (wich is very good), but i cant't remember which one it is
[02:34] <mattgirv> bummer
[02:34] <mattgirv> ok
[02:34] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth / mac on linux?
[02:34] <sianis> use someby ubuntu on laptop?
[02:35] <matthew> anyone know how to make the gnome torretn work on hoary
[02:35] <dwa_> yes sianis
[02:35] <desplesda> sianis:  here :)
[02:35] <Seveas> mattgirv, news.individual.net (go to the web site first, registration required)
[02:35] <sianis> :)
[02:35] <dwa_> matthew : worked out of the box for me
[02:35] <desplesda> mattgirv:  please explain your question, are you getting any errors?
[02:35] <sianis> so i say my probleme:
[02:35] <desplesda> err
[02:35] <desplesda> sorry
[02:35] <mattgirv> Seveas: Ok thanks
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> sianis: which is ur main language ?!
[02:35] <matthew> hmmm, I even downloaded from the repository
[02:35] <desplesda> matthew:  are you getting any erros
[02:35] <mattgirv> desplesda: np :P
[02:35] <desplesda> errors
[02:35] <sianis> when i close my laptop scren
[02:35] <Nikki> Hi :)
[02:35] <desplesda> damn tab completion :P
[02:36] <Nikki> just got my Ubuntu CD's today !
[02:36] <sianis> the ubuntu is start the screen lock
[02:36] <sianis> it's not too good
[02:36] <xerox> How do I install Sun's java in ubuntu?
[02:36] <matthew> no but when I click on it it says "open l;ocation for bit torrent meta file
[02:36] <desplesda> matthew:  when you click on a .torrent file?
[02:36] <mattgirv> Seveas: hmm you have to pay for this :(
[02:36] <SiRrUs> xerox check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:37] <sianis> can i set ubuntu, don't lock the scrren?
[02:37] <matthew> no when I go to applications>Internet>gnome torrent
[02:37] <dmoyne> to deFrysk : I will reboot and first see how all this behaves ; get in touch after !
[02:37] <Dr_Willis> sianis,  you mean when you boot the Installer?
[02:37] <desplesda> matthew:  yes, when you start gnome-torrent you need to give it a .torrent file to work with
[02:37] <desplesda> matthew:  are you trying to create a .torrent file?
[02:37] <matthew> hmmm what do you mean where do i get one of those?
[02:37] <matthew> no I want to use it to find music to be honest
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> http://www.legaltorrents.com/
[02:38] <sianis> Willis: I don't understand
[02:38] <desplesda> matthew: gnome-torrent isnt a peer to peer directory program
[02:38] <sianis> the ubuntu is installed
[02:38] <sianis> and when close the screen
[02:38] <matthew> desplesda: ok so do you know where I can get one?
[02:38] <desplesda> matthew: you need to find the torrents yourself, all gnome-torrent does for you is download them
[02:38] <sianis> the ubuntu is locked the screen
[02:38] <Seveas> mattgirv, what??
[02:38] <sianis> and i don't need this function
[02:38] <M_Fatih> how can i see programs versions?
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> 'when close the screen . the ubuntu is locked the screen' --> makes NO sence to me..
[02:38] <Seveas> mattgirv, sorry, didn't use it for quite some time
[02:39] <M_Fatih> installed & @apt
[02:39] <Seveas> i see it now
[02:39] <desplesda> matthew:  i'm not going to tell you where to find copyright infringing files :) this is an ubuntu help channel
[02:39] <ubuntu> Dr_Willis> he probably means when the screen blanker kicks in it's password protected
[02:39] <mattgirv> Seveas: no prob
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> desplesda,  thats why i posted the legal torrents file. :P
[02:39] <desplesda> Dr_Willis:  :D
[02:39] <matthew> ahhh ok
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  thats what im finially wondering.. :P  but  who can tell.
[02:39] <desplesda> matthew:  if you want to listen to music, you can listen to internet radio using the Music Player application
[02:40] <ubuntu> Dr_Willis> I don't use gnome so I have no idea where that config option is
[02:40] <sianis> ubuntu what are you using?
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  its under the desktop options.  I belive - same general location as windows. Lol.. Or under its own menu in the pref.. not hidden by any mean, :P
[02:40] <desplesda> matthew:  the legal torrents site that Dr_Willis posted could also have some content that you might like
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> seems to be a lot of Techno Music at that site.
[02:41] <xerox> SiRrUs: thank you.
[02:41] <ubuntu> sianis> I'm booted up on kunbuntu at the moment... that's why I'm called "ubuntu"... that was the default in konversation
[02:41] <desplesda> matthew:  but if you're looking for mp3z then i'm afraid we can't help you :)
[02:41] <matthew> ok thanks
[02:42] <vaijr2002> hi everyone
[02:42] <vaijr2002> can someone help me get xmms running correctly please
[02:42] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  hi there
[02:43] <desplesda> what seems to be the trouble?
[02:43] <vaijr2002> hiya desplesda
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> you normally dont use a Torrent file/client to get mp3's anyway :P
[02:43] <vaijr2002> wont play mp3
[02:43] <vaijr2002> s
[02:43] <desplesda> have you just recently installed ubuntu?
[02:43] <vaijr2002> yes
[02:43] <dmoyne> to deFrysk : boot with no problem but on "apt-get -f install" I still have that ridiculous mesage : "cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kcontrol/kalarmd/.dhelp': No such file or directory" and kalarmd does not exist as proposed !
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> vaijr2002,  i belive theres some extra package ya intall an it will start doing it.. but i forget what one.
[02:43] <desplesda> you'll need to download some extra multimedia codecs
[02:43] <vaijr2002> i got the mpeg123 codec
[02:44] <Ingenu_ubuntu> quick question, how do I mount my HDDs (just launched the LiveCD)
[02:44] <ubuntu> Ingenu_ubuntu> heh, I thought you might be... I already got the nick :-)
[02:44] <tanek> Ingenu_ubuntu: sudo mount -t filesystem /dev/hdxy /mount/point
[02:44] <tanek> ?
[02:45] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  i don't know what codec is needed for xmms, but if you are willing to use RhythmBox then http://www.ubuntuguide.org will help
[02:45] <Ingenu_ubuntu> :)
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> Ingenu_ubuntu: mount -t XX /dev/XXX /mntXXX
[02:45] <vaijr2002> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:45] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  that's right
[02:45] <vaijr2002> there go read how to mount... i did
[02:45] <Ingenu_ubuntu> is there a way to auto mount all recognized disks at boot ?
[02:45] <vaijr2002> yes read
[02:46] <tanek> modify /etc/fstab
[02:46] <vaijr2002> everything is on that page
[02:46] <vaijr2002> and ya dont have to modify fstab you can do it from term
[02:46] <Ingenu_ubuntu> ok
[02:46] <ubuntu> Ingenu_ubuntu> you need to add entries to /etc/fstab... read the above site
[02:46] <vaijr2002> dont mod fstab unless ya know what ya doing. i goofed mine up like 4 times hehe
[02:46] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  have you set up apt-get or synaptic to use the 'universe' repository?
[02:46] <BigIslandVegan> it seems that it could be a while before airport extreme and that chipset is supported in linux, therefore it would be great if the bluetooth net access tools were more friendly and intuitive...would be great to have that as a default install for ubuntu hoary ppc so there is some way to get online wirelessly for mac people
[02:46] <vaijr2002> not sure if i did that right desplesda
[02:46] <dmoyne> to deFrysk : I have" kalarm" but no" kalarmd" in that location !
[02:47] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  follow the 'add extra repositories' information at ubuntuguide.org
[02:47] <vaijr2002> ok yeah i did add one
[02:47] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  then run sudo apt-get install xmms-mad
[02:48] <tanek> is xmms-mad avaliable in universe? cool, i had to get mine from rpmseek :P
[02:48] <vaijr2002> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:48] <vaijr2002> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:48] <vaijr2002> E: Couldn't find package xmms-mad
[02:48] <desplesda> ok then
[02:48] <desplesda> i can link you to the direct download link
[02:48] <vaijr2002> guess i dont have the right repository in there
[02:48] <desplesda> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/sound/xmms-mad
[02:49] <desplesda> you can download the .deb file manually
[02:49] <desplesda> once you have it run `sudo dpkg -i xmms-mad*.deb`
[02:50] <ondrej> php4-pear from security team is broken (empty deb), since it's in universe, who should I bother? :-)
[02:50] <vaijr2002> sudo dpkg -i xmms-mad*.deb
[02:50] <vaijr2002> dpkg: error processing xmms-mad*.deb (--install):
[02:50] <vaijr2002>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[02:50] <vaijr2002> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:50] <vaijr2002>  xmms-mad*.deb
[02:50] <vaijr2002> do i have to nav to that dir first
[02:50] <desplesda> yes you do
[02:50] <tanek> yes
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> well yes. :P
[02:50] <vaijr2002> ok hehe brb
[02:50] <nvashi> hehe
[02:50] <desplesda> :D
[02:50] <ondrej> 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7 is fine (size of .deb is 324K), 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.5 is empty (87K)
[02:51] <encon> i run 2 X sessions at once as different users and i want both users to have access to sound at the moment its who ever plays sound first has access to sound how can i fix this issue
[02:52] <desplesda> encon:  are you running a sound mixing daemon like esound or polypaudio?
[02:53] <encon> tried esound, polypaudio and dmix alsa
[02:53] <desplesda> hmm, i don't know then :/
[02:53] <vaijr2002> almost got it
[02:53] <vaijr2002> damn dep's
[02:53] <vaijr2002> brb
[02:54] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  you can try fixing the dependencies using synaptic
[02:54] <desplesda> run synaptic and tell it to 'fix broken packages'
[02:54] <desplesda> it should download any dependencies you need
[02:54] <vaijr2002> ok its installed
[02:54] <vaijr2002> i just got the dep files
[02:54] <vaijr2002> lib files
[02:54] <Ingenu_ubuntu> mmmh is there no mp3 player on the liveCD ?
[02:54] <vaijr2002> do i run it like regular
[02:54] <Myrtti> fill up the gaps in my memory. What other packaging stuff I need than unrar?
[02:54] <desplesda> yup
[02:55] <Myrtti> besides those already installed
[02:55] <vaijr2002> so its not called xmms-mad right
[02:55] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  no, run it as xmms
[02:55] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  xmms-mad is just a plugin
[02:55] <Myrtti> unace
[02:55] <vaijr2002> ok
[02:56] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  are you sure you added the universe repository, i can see the xmms-mad package in my list and all i've listed are the main restricted and universe repositories
[02:56] <vaijr2002> think so
[02:57] <vaijr2002> it shows the plugin in the player but i still get no sound
[02:57] <vaijr2002> config'd it too
[02:57] <vaijr2002> hmm
[02:57] <markc> das better
[02:57] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  got polypaudio or esound running? you may need to set xmms to run through whatever mixing daemon you may be running
[02:58] <vaijr2002> hmm
[02:58] <vaijr2002> dunno if they are running
[02:58] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, set sound in mplayerplugin.conf to esd
[02:58] <deFrysk> should work fine then
[02:58] <mastertet> Hello, I want to build e17 form cvs, I get many errors from ./autogen.sh. What packages do I need to install so I can build software from cvs?
[02:58] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: are you there
[02:59] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  hello!
[02:59] <mattgirv> so has anyone managed to get compositing working with ATI cards (at a decent speed , w/o loss of 3d acceleration) ?
[02:59] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, add this line to it : ao=esd
[02:59] <vaijr2002> whats the diff between the oss mixer and alsa
[02:59] <memsoft> hi everybody
[02:59] <vaijr2002> add that line to what?
[03:00] <desplesda> vaijr2002:  different plugin system; oss is deprecated
[03:00] <nvashi2> hello
[03:00] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: sorry disconnected , you told me bad memory .. so and someone else said i have to change the ram module .. may i ask what is bad in ram and changing my ram module means chaging the system's rams ?
[03:00] <memsoft> im new ubuntu user
[03:00] <Spooks> Hooray for Memsoft!
[03:00] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  ram can be damaged with static electricity
[03:01] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf
[03:01] <memsoft> what is root pass ??
[03:01] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if the ram is damaged then the system may be unstable
[03:01] <deFrysk> memsoft, ubuntu uses sudo
[03:01] <vaijr2002> oh ok
[03:01] <vaijr2002> brb
[03:01] <desplesda> memsoft: there isnt one, just use `sudo whatever_command`
[03:01] <memsoft> thanks
[03:01] <desplesda> memsoft:  you'll need to type in your user password
[03:01] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if the ram is damaged then you'll need to replace it
[03:02] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: and the issue of restarting is that let you think in ram .. ? if yes why ?
[03:02] <vaijr2002> i dont have that mplayerplug-in.conf file
[03:02] <vaijr2002> plus my mplayer doesnt work right either
[03:02] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, in hoary ?
[03:02] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  to check your ram, boot up the ubuntu live cd and choose the 'MemTest' option
[03:02] <supos> has anyone been able to edit the application menu in Hoary?
[03:03] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  the issue of your windows restarting may be due to ram - if windows has trouble with ram, it will just reboot
[03:03] <vaijr2002> um not sure if its hoary or warty
[03:03] <vaijr2002> lol
[03:03] <deFrysk> uname -r
[03:03] <deFrysk> vaijr2002,
[03:03] <vaijr2002> could be a bios setting too
[03:03] <deFrysk> do that
[03:03] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: MemTest what it does .. ? and how
[03:03] <vaijr2002> mina
[03:03] <vaijr2002> i had my processor jumper /multipliers wrong and that caused reboots
[03:03] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  MemTest just runs some checks on your ram
[03:04] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, uname -r
[03:04] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if there's anything wrong with your ram, MemTest will probably pick it up
[03:04] <vaijr2002> 2.6.10-4-386
[03:04] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, thats a hoary
[03:04] <vaijr2002> ok
[03:04] <vaijr2002> is that better than warty
[03:04] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  from what you've told me it sounds like your problem is the ram; if that's right then you'll need to replace some or all of your ram
[03:04] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: why windows reboot due to bad ram .. what lets it reboot and do you have a pointer for a guide on it .. or just
[03:04] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, did you install mplayer with apt
[03:05] <vaijr2002> no
[03:05] <vaijr2002> buddy did it for me
[03:05] <deFrysk> o
[03:05] <deFrysk> then I cannot help you
[03:05] <nvashi2> ah who is delta and why they spammimng me with porn link???
[03:05] <vaijr2002> when i try to open a move it flashes for a sec then crashes
[03:05] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, you should have used apt
[03:05] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  this site may help you
[03:05] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1565
[03:05] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: or just use MemTest to check ?
[03:05] <vaijr2002> probably
[03:05] <vaijr2002> me newbie to linux kinda
[03:05] <vaijr2002> went from suse 9.2 to gentoo to this lol
[03:05] <vaijr2002> so far this is the easiest
[03:05] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  it only refers to windows, but it should help you check
[03:06] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:06] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  MemTest will probably help too
[03:06] <deFrysk> and next time use the apropiate debs
[03:06] <mina_linux_Tux> desplesda:ok :) thanks in advance man
[03:06] <desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  no problem :)
[03:06] <vaijr2002> ok
[03:06] <vaijr2002> thanks defrysk
[03:07] <deFrysk> vaijr2002, make sure to use the info to hoary , not warty
[03:07] <vaijr2002> ok thanks
[03:07] <vaijr2002> gah now if i could get my system to not lag so much lol
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> put it on a high shelf.. that way the packets can run downhill.
[03:07] <vaijr2002> not sure if i goofed or not i run an amd athlon xp 2500+ think i got the right distro lol
[03:07] <vaijr2002> said for pent and athlong
[03:09] <vaijr2002> lol
[03:09] <vaijr2002> hiya Willis
[03:10] <vaijr2002> can you tweak ubuntu to run faster?
[03:10] <vaijr2002> like change run levels and stuffs?
[03:11] <spacey> vaijr2002, AFAIK they already tweaked it in hoary
[03:11] <rapha> cd /etc; for i in rc*.d; do (cd $i; mv * /dev/null; ln -s /bin/bash S01shell); done
[03:11] <vaijr2002> ahh ok
[03:11] <rapha> Fastest. System. Evva.
[03:11] <vaijr2002> just laggin a bit
[03:12] <spacey> rapha, you could just boot in single user mode :)
[03:12] <rapha> Or that :
[03:12] <rapha> :)
[03:12] <vaijr2002> ok me outtie for a bit. gotta go find me a job
[03:12] <vaijr2002> ttyl take care. have a great day, thanks for the help
[03:12] <rapha> Good luck vaijr2002!
[03:12] <vaijr2002> and weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gone bbl
[03:12] <rapha> ttyl
[03:12] <spacey> bye bye
[03:12] <nvashi2> vaijr2002: cya
[03:13] <dwa_> Pointwood : i think most people here run it
[03:13] <nvashi2> out the warty now but will be going to hoary soon
[03:14] <Pointwood> dwa_: is it resonable stable and problemfree?
[03:14] <dwa_> Pointwood : i've been using it for a while now and it's better then i thought it would be
[03:15] <Pointwood> k
[03:15] <jk> Pointwood: mostly...there are a few remaining bugs though
[03:15] <Pointwood> what are the most annoying bugs left?
[03:15] <jk> Pointwood: imho https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7711
[03:16] <Pointwood> ahh...that's kinda annoying
[03:17] <Pointwood> though a workaround exists
[03:19] <claint> still annoying.
[03:20] <dmoyne> to deFysk : can we please conclude on installation drom warty to hoary ?
[03:21] <invictus> when I do grep "something" I get the entire line as output. is it possible to just get a part of the output? I am grep'ing the output from finger.kernel.org and just want the versionnumber of the kernel instead of the entire line
[03:23] <Pointwood> so, all I have to do is to switch repositories right?
[03:23] <mjr> yes
[03:24] <brrrt> hola ubuntu freaks ;)
[03:24] <garrut> Pointwood: what's the workaround?
[03:25] <Pointwood> quote from the bugreport: If I right-click on the file and choose "Save Link As" then the file downloads (everything works as expected.).
[03:26] <garrut> yeah ok, but nothing to fix the actual problem?
[03:27] <Pointwood> not that I know of
[03:27] <Pointwood> but I also just learned about the bug :)
[03:28] <jjesse> i have a question on installing my wireless card
[03:28] <jjesse> when i do an sudo ndiswrapper -i ~/windows/WG511v2.INF it says that is is installed already
[03:29] <jjesse> yet when i do a sudo ndiswrapper -l to list it it doesn't show it installed
[03:29] <jjesse> hmm hold on i think i may have figured it out
[03:33] <ring_bearer> greets - How does one reset the gnome-keyring password ? Apologies if this isn't the right forum.
[03:34] <roltux> is it possible to install ubuntu from bootfloppy's
[03:35] <deFrysk> um nope roltux (I think)
[03:36] <Lightboy> hey all i was just wondering how do i use a custom splash screen that i downloaded
[03:38] <Lightboy> hey all i was just wondering how do i use a custom splash screen that i downloaded
[03:38] <Spooks> Anyone know what Java package comes with Warty?
[03:39] <lrojas> how can i install the J2SE platform on Ubuntu Hoary
[03:39] <lrojas> ?
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> spooks...I think its not quite offical but you can add sun java
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> check the wiki pages
[03:39] <mjr> Spooks, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:39] <Lightboy> DarthFrog: hey hows it going?
[03:40] <mjr> though there are some java compilers and implementations included, they don't include eg. Java AWT/Swing
[03:40] <mjr> (jikes, sablevm, kaffe; some of which in universe)
[03:40] <Spooks> Yeah, I want sun java, just found "java-package" in Synaptic and wondered what the heck it was
[03:40] <Spooks> ty
[03:40] <mjr> oh, and gcj/gij of course
[03:40] <deFrysk> Spooks,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:41] <sh1mmer> hi
[03:41] <deFrysk> Spooks, mine is the best (for sunjava)
[03:41] <sh1mmer> what is the best way to request that a package be made for newer version for hoary?
[03:42] <claint> sh1mmer : best way? make it yourself?
[03:42] <claint> ;-p
[03:42] <numb> hey, i'm having a problem, after installing ubuntu i've installed another OS and now i want to now how can i recover the grub
[03:42] <sh1mmer> the librdf hoary uses is custom because is has been done for python2.4
[03:42] <sh1mmer> claint if I could...
[03:42] <sh1mmer> and if I wasn't in such I hurry I might take the time to learn
[03:43] <padlefot_> hi, can somebody help me?
[03:43] <sh1mmer> I just assume that since an ubuntu developer has already done a version of librdf for python2.4 on hoary then they might be the best person to make a package for the 1.0.2 version with all the bug fixes
[03:43] <deFrysk> padlefot, only one way to find out
[03:44] <padlefot_> my grub crashed
[03:44] <padlefot_> now all i get when i boot is some wierd grub console
[03:44] <Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
[03:44] <giuliano> ho un problema con lascheda ait9600
[03:44] <padlefot_> i need to replace my new menu.lst list with the old one, i have booted with the live cd but i cant make any changes to the old system
[03:45] <padlefot_> anyone?
[03:45] <sianis> bye all
[03:46] <HappyPills> howdy all... mygod that was a painful experience! ndiswrapper for ubuntu is a biatch to upgrade I've decided! but I've finally done it =P
[03:46] <Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
[03:46] <claint> HappyPills : why was it so?
[03:47] <HappyPills> it kept giving me an error inserting ndiswrapper error when I tried modprobe
[03:47] <HappyPills> and the ubuntu version didn't support my card
[03:48] <claint> just asking because i might have to test it the coming day or so.
[03:48] <HappyPills> so I fixed it by deleting the offending file and copying over it again
[03:48] <HappyPills> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/41/2004/12/1/252347 <--helpful link for me
[03:48] <Spooks> Excellent, that worked a treat. ty guys
[03:49] <lrojas> Spooks, how di you do it?
[03:49] <claint> suni: are you using sun jre now?
[03:49] <claint> oops wrong room
[03:49] <Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
[03:49] <Spooks> sudo'd to sources.list and added the info, then Synaptic
[03:49] <lrojas> Lightboy, sorry... i dont know how yet
[03:49] <HappyPills> oh god... it seems to be working but it turns up in synaptic as a broken package!
[03:50] <lrojas> Spooks, wich info? is not clear to me whatshould i add
[03:50] <Lightboy> lrojas: i can find how to turn the splash screen on and off lol
[03:51] <Spooks> Well, for adding sun java: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" was 1 of 2 lines you add to sources.list
[03:51] <Spooks> minus the quotes
[03:51] <garrut> ojajo
[03:52] <lrojas> ahh you are using warty.. :(
[03:52] <Spooks> yup yup
[03:53] <lrojas> ok
[03:53] <Lightboy> lrojas: ok now i found where it saves splash screens
[03:53] <Spooks> New to linux, so just sticking with warty for now, while I get used to it
[03:57] <Spooks> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" is outdated? It used backports instead
[03:58] <jbailey> Anyone here running warty?  I need to check how something's configured by default so I can get info into the release notes if I need to.
[03:58] <Spooks> <-
[03:59] <jbailey> Spooks: Can you tell me what files are in /etc/udev/rules.d please?
[03:59] <djp> can anybody help me with certain file permissions?
[04:00] <leonel> leonel@human:/etc/udev/rules.d $ ls -l
[04:00] <leonel> total 0
[04:00] <leonel> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           13 2005-03-18 11:49 udev.rules -> ../udev.rules
[04:00] <jbailey> djp: It's usually better just to ask.
[04:00] <jbailey> leonel: So just that file?  Thanks.
[04:00] <djp> jbailey: cheers. will do...
[04:00] <Spooks> What a coincidence
[04:01] <Spooks> udev.rules is there, nothing else
[04:01] <jbailey> Spooks: Excellent thanks.  I definetly need to add a note to the release notes for Hoary then.   =)
[04:01] <Spooks> np (Y)
[04:01] <padlefot_> how can i get acc to write to /mnt/hda1 when i have booted from the LiveCD ??
[04:01] <jbailey> (Y)?
[04:02] <Spooks> sorry, MSN thumbs up. Old habits die hard
[04:02] <Rene_S> ok I installed mplayer, gxine and they arent showing up in the menu's any idea on how to make them show up there ?
[04:02] <nvashi2> ehhe
[04:02] <jbailey> padlefot_: I haven't played with the liveCD's, but I'm guessing that you'd need to sudo if it will let you at all.
[04:02] <jbailey> Spooks: *lol*  I've never looked at the underlying text to most of those emoticons. =)
[04:03] <djp> i'm trying to make a full system back-up using dar. however there are nine files that will not backup. one for example is /sys/bus/pci/drivers/nvidia/new_id. it will not backup because permission to do so is denied. i have checked the files permissions manually and it is set as 200, write permissions only for the owner, which i gather is root. my question is how can i backup these files using dar or is it not possible due to str
[04:03] <djp> ict permissions?
[04:03] <slept> I can't burn mp3 cds with k3b what am I missing?
[04:03] <jbailey> djp: Do not back up /proc or /sys
[04:03] <padlefot_> i have to reinsall grub on the old system, chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash, but when i run grub-install /dev/hda it gives me errors :( anyone?
[04:03] <sh1mmer> gah! apt-get upgrade is installing a bunch of x apps. I've been trying to get rid of them all.
[04:03] <deFrysk> slept, burn data , not audio
[04:03] <sh1mmer> Any suggestions for purging my box of x?
[04:04] <jbailey> djp: Even /dev you probably could just skip on Ubuntu systems, since it's all generated at boot time.  But /proc and /sys change by the moment.  You'll never get a good verify on them.
[04:04] <slept> drFrysk: no I want audio cds
[04:04] <djp> jbailey: leave out sys, ahh, that i haven't done. i have left out /proc though. thanks jbailey
[04:04] <groo> i'm really sorry to ask this super nub question, but i've got the base up and running but none o the extras like X or anything and i made a mistake and quit out of the update screen at post-install. how do i get back to that?
[04:04] <djp> jbailey: do you use dar personally?
[04:04] <padlefot_> i have to reinsall grub on the old system, chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash, but when i run grub-install /dev/hda it gives me errors :( anyone?
[04:05] <jbailey> djp: /sys is the same class of stuff as /proc is.  Most of it used to be in /proc at some point.
[04:05] <jbailey> djp: No, I've never even heard of it. =)
[04:05] <yccheok> how i can remove the sudo policy from ubuntu and enforce su in the system??
[04:06] <sic|work> morning all, I need to fix this resolution:    101x108 dots per inch...it needs to be 101X101...anyone know how to change this?
[04:06] <djp> jbailey: oh, ok, i'll forget my next question then... thanks for the advice though, i will make the necessary changes when i attempt to make my next system backup...
[04:06] <slept> yccheok : why???
[04:06] <slept> does anyone use k3b ?
[04:06] <yccheok> slept: i had a bad experience, i run a script from some bad guy which delete all my system file :(
[04:07] <mjr> sic|work, you can tell the monitor dimensions in the X configuration file so that the DPI will be what you want for the resolution you have (don't remember how, but that's what you might want to do)
[04:07] <mjr> 'course, for freetype, you can override this from font preferences
[04:07] <yccheok> slept: there is a sudo DO_BAD_THING in the script. i had to reinstall ubuntu since that
[04:07] <slept> yccheok : you should read scripts, especially from persons you don't trust
[04:07] <sic|work> mjr: heheh...I know that...I just can't find the xserver file
[04:08] <Spooks> I love how with linux I get about 15kb/s faster downloads than with windows
[04:08] <slept> yccheok : in other cases it would have asked for root permission, removing sudo won't secure your system
[04:08] <sic|work> Spooks: I love how using linux networking actually works efficiently
[04:08] <yccheok> it is a software with thousand of script. the guy just insert to code in one of the scripts. it is impossible for me to exame script by script
[04:09] <yccheok> slept: arh... u r right
[04:09] <slept> yccheok : you can change permissions for sudo with visudo
[04:09] <linuzo> Guys and Gals, I just install kubuntu the other day.. Love it actually seems real good but I was just wondering how to add my 41GB HD as a Storage Device..  I added a folder /mnt/hda1 and then changed the  fstab to the right paramaters..  but when I goto mount the drive as user it says access denied..  Pls Help...
[04:09] <yccheok> slept: by using su, i will be alerted when i prompt for password
[04:09] <slept> yccheok : what was the script for ?
[04:09] <Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
[04:09] <yccheok> slept: but sudo just wont prompt me for password
[04:10] <Loiosh> linuzo: You need to mount with sudo
[04:10] <Loiosh> sudo mount whatever
[04:10] <linuzo> ok
[04:10] <linuzo> I'll try
[04:10] <Loiosh> =)
[04:10] <sic|work> sudo mount -a works for me
[04:10] <sic|work> when I am changing stuff in fstab
[04:10] <yccheok> slept: is a software for my research project
[04:10] <groo> i'm really sorry to ask this super nub question, but i've got the base up and running but none o the extras like X or anything and i made a mistake and quit out of the update screen at post-install. how do i get back to that?
[04:12] <linuzo> yo Loiosh do you know how to change a folder ownership??  maybe if I change the ownership to Users I can access it..
[04:12] <Loiosh> Sure, chmod
[04:12] <linuzo> cause I can mount it as sudo
[04:12] <Loiosh> Then who
[04:12] <linuzo> just not view it
[04:12] <Loiosh> Like
[04:12] <Loiosh> chmod u+r file. It means, allows Users to Read the file
[04:13] <linuzo> ok thanks
[04:14] <gio> c' qualche italiana?
[04:14] <jbailey> gio: #ubuntu-it
[04:14] <slept> yccheok: you can edit the timestamp for sudo, that will change the period within sudo can be run without password
[04:15] <rodnarms> how do i erase a cd-rw in hoary?
[04:16] <slept> rodnarms: cdrdao blank
[04:16] <Echylo> I hope for hoary I don't have much updates
[04:16] <Echylo> :p
[04:16] <rodnarms> slept, do that in terminal?
[04:16] <slept> yes
[04:16] <rodnarms> <-- linux newbie
[04:18] <rodnarms> it said command not found
[04:18] <viZio1> Does anyone know how to solve the "no sound" problem in hoary? in warty i had working sound... in hoary not anymore...
[04:19] <yccheok> slept, oh great. perhaps that is wat i want. is it possible that i can timestamp 0, that mean each time i am having sudo, i will prompt for a pasword. (hence, most of the trust sutffs will be done inside a root shell, only one or two stuff will be done using sudo)
[04:20] <mijndert> Hi. I want to know if the C-Media 8783 Sound Chip is supported by Ubuntu Hoary running kernel 2.6.10-5. Does anybody have it up and running?
[04:20] <PacoBCN> viZio1, what kind of no sound is that?
[04:20] <slept> rodnarms: apt-get install cdrdao, or maybe you want sth for burning aswell - k3b, xcdroast, ...
[04:20] <viZio1> that i am not hearing anything on Creative Audigy2
[04:20] <rodnarms> thanks
[04:20] <Echylo> rodnarms , type sudo apt-get cdrdao
[04:20] <Echylo> ow
[04:20] <Echylo> oh :p
[04:20] <Quinn_Storm> anyone know anything about using bootsplash w/ ubuntu? is it just a "don't do it" situation?  I don't know much about how ubuntu handles its kernel and wether recompiling would be easy and such
[04:20] <Echylo> oops
[04:20] <viZio1> if i start XMMS it seems to decode it (i see the spectrum analyzer working) except i dont hear anyting
[04:20] <PacoBCN> only that application doesn't produces sound?
[04:21] <viZio1> the same with login sound etc.
[04:21] <PacoBCN> probably it's just muted :)
[04:21] <membreya> what's the keyboard shortcut to paste in a terminal ? (if there is one)
[04:21] <Echylo> viZio1 , in xmms, change the soundserver to esound
[04:21] <viZio1> its not
[04:21] <Echylo> membreya ctrl + shift + v
[04:21] <viZio1> i have it on esound
[04:21] <rodnarms> thanks!
[04:21] <PacoBCN> checked alsamixer?
[04:21] <membreya> aaah ty Echylo :) so am I to assume ctrl+shift+c is copy ?
[04:21] <Echylo> yes
[04:21] <sic|work> anyone know where the xserver file is for changing dpi?
[04:21] <slept> yccheok : I have nerver touched my settings, but I think it should work with 0.
[04:22] <membreya> you're a champ Echylo :)
[04:22] <nvashi2> hey guys anyone install metalog .. I see that it uninstall syslogd and ubuntu-base (I think it is base) and another package .. I like metalog but will that mess with something the base package needs
[04:22] <Echylo> ahum :p
[04:22] <PacoBCN> viZio1, checked alsamixer?
[04:22] <viZio1> how do i do that
[04:22] <PacoBCN> type "alsamixer" in command line
[04:22] <Loiosh> Mandrake ate my mbr. Bad mandrake!
[04:23] <sic|work> heheh
[04:23] <viZio1> i got a mixer in screen then yeah
[04:23] <sic|work> Mandrake ate my homeworks!
[04:23] <nvashi2> Mandrake should be full
[04:23] <PacoBCN> viZio1, make sure the master isn't muted or very low level
[04:24] <Loiosh> I hope so
[04:24] <viZio1> master is on 90
[04:24] <Loiosh> I had to reinstall grub, which is always fun
[04:24] <viZio1> so i should be kinda deaf when it plays anything
[04:24] <PacoBCN> PCM is also that level or so?
[04:24] <viZio1> pcm 78
[04:24] <sic|work> viZio1, I know you already checked this, but I have 4 jacks on my sound card and sometimes I forget which one to plug it into...are you sure your speakers are plugged into the right jack?
[04:25] <PacoBCN> weird
[04:25] <viZio1> all other pcm's are on 100
[04:25] <HappyPills> yaya. Now all I have to do is set up the printer for network sharing =)
[04:25] <slept> viZio: try if sound is generally working, mpg321 file in terminal and  killall esd
[04:25] <bloated> hi
[04:25] <slept> HappyPills: samba ?
[04:25] <nvashi2> congratz HappyPills
[04:26] <HappyPills> probably
[04:26] <viZio1> mpg321 ? bash: mpg321: command not found
[04:26] <PacoBCN> viZio1, sure your default sound server is esound?
[04:26] <slept> viZio1: install it
[04:26] <bloated> hi
[04:26] <HappyPills> I was suprised that a driver that actually worked was on the computer already! one model down from my printer =)
[04:26] <nvashi2> kewl
[04:26] <bloated> are there later repositories?
[04:27] <slept> does anyone use k3b for burning audio cds
[04:27] <viZio1> Playing MPEG stream from Silvertide-California_Rain.mp3 ...
[04:27] <bloated> slept, i tried it once and it worked
[04:27] <viZio1> MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo
[04:27] <viZio1> dont hear anything
[04:27] <PacoBCN> slept, nop, I prefer graveman
[04:27] <markc> slept> I've burnt a few bootable iso's lately
[04:28] <sic|work> slept<--neroLINUX works really well for me
[04:28] <bloated> its supposed to be good...
[04:28] <PacoBCN> viZio1, did you kill esd?
[04:28] <madduck> so i installed the latest hoary x.org onto a laptop with a 'Rage Mobility M4 AGP' card. How can I get DRI working now?
[04:28] <sihen> Hello all
[04:28] <Spooks> Hoorah! Perfect working sun java
[04:28] <viZio1> how
[04:28] <sihen> could someone please help me out
[04:28] <|QuaD-> are there any plans for ifolder server/workstation support?
[04:28] <PacoBCN> viZio1, command: killall esd
[04:29] <viZio1> Playing MPEG stream from Silvertide-California_Rain.mp3 ...
[04:29] <viZio1> MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo
[04:29] <viZio1> Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[04:29] <viZio1> bart@BartP4:/misc/Program Files/Winamp $
[04:29] <bloated> does anyone have a good sources.list?
[04:29] <viZio1> after i did killall esd
[04:29] <nvashi2> sihen they can't help if they don't know what the problem is
[04:29] <HappyPills> hmm... I had probably better get to bed soon. gotta wake up in three hours
[04:29] <sihen> nvashi,
[04:29] <sihen> 21% [1 openoffice.org-bin 8764704/41.5MB 21%] 
[04:29] <sihen> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main openoffice.org-bin 1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1
[04:29] <sihen>   Connection timed out
[04:29] <sihen> Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-bin_1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1_i386.deb  Connection timed out
[04:29] <sihen> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[04:29] <topyli> bloated:
[04:29] <topyli> ooops. bloated, for warty or hoary
[04:29] <sihen> nvashi2, thats during a apt-get upgrade
[04:30] <slept> viZio1: if you are using kde , killall artsd. And close your player
[04:30] <viZio1> im using gnome
[04:30] <sihen> nvashi2, iv tried a apt-get update - seems to be up to date
[04:30] <Quinn_Storm> sorry, I probably missed if anyone answered my question, had to restart x, got it messed up with a game
[04:31] <slept> sihen: --fix-missing should help
[04:31] <slept> sihen: did you try
[04:31] <sihen> slept, not sure of the exact command to use
[04:31] <bloated> topyli, hoary is the latest?
[04:31] <markc> sihen> I just used curl to see if that file is there and it seems to be
[04:32] <topyli> bloated: hoary is the upcoming version, it's not quite ready yeat
[04:32] <slept> sihen: sudo apt-get install  --fix-missing
[04:32] <sihen> then im unsure of the problem, all my other updates come down at 100KB/s
[04:32] <viZio1> slept: im using gnome
[04:32] <sihen> slept, let me try ta brb
[04:32] <bloated> topyli, i think hoary is what im using
[04:32] <sihen> slept,
[04:32] <sihen> oot@Enigma:~ # sudo apt-get install  --fix-missing
[04:32] <sihen> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:32] <sihen> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:32] <sihen> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[04:33] <Echylo> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:33] <Echylo> :p
[04:33] <sihen> Echylo, same thing
[04:33] <bloated> topyli, i dont think blender is on the repository im using now
[04:33] <Echylo> what?
[04:33] <Echylo> oh
[04:33] <Echylo> it doesn't update?
[04:33] <topyli> bloated: do 'cat /etc/lsb-release'
[04:33] <Echylo> sudo apt-get -f install ?
[04:33] <Echylo> or is that the same as --fix-missing ?
[04:34] <slept> sihen: dselect update
[04:34] <sihen> it get stuck on 21% [1 openoffice.org-bin 8764703/41.5MB 21%] 
[04:34] <sihen> slept, how?
[04:34] <Echylo> ooh got that error too once
[04:34] <bloated> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04 DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) Development Branch"
[04:34] <Echylo> but I can't remember whet I did
[04:34] <Echylo> what*
[04:34] <slept> sihen : it's the comman itself (with sudo )
[04:35] <slept> *d
[04:35] <sihen> slept, problem is i cant do other updates cause this one wont finish
[04:35] <topyli> bloated: my hoary sources: http://siltala.net/sources.list and warty: http://siltala.net/warty-sources.list . not everything there is quite safe and stable, beware :)
[04:35] <sihen> i need to find a way around it
[04:35] <slept> sihen : it dates up your sources
[04:36] <slept> sihen : try it , is your error still connection timed out ?
[04:36] <bloated> topyli, ok thanks
[04:36] <sihen> slept, ye
[04:36] <nvashi2> he could use synaptic to get it  w/ smart update chosen
[04:36] <sihen> nvashi2, synaptic does the same
[04:36] <sihen> gets to the same point then stops
[04:36] <nvashi2> although the cli shoud work
[04:36] <slept> sihen: you can change your sources with apt-setup, are you sure you got a network connection with that machine?
[04:37] <slept> sihen : the server you are using might be unreachable
[04:37] <Echylo> yea
[04:37] <Spooks> How stable is the Wesnoth one?
[04:37] <Echylo> I had the same problem here
[04:37] <nvashi2> cause the package is there we have checked that
[04:37] <sihen> slept, im using the machine now, it does all the others at 100KB/s +
[04:37] <slept> sihen : do sudo apt-setup and select an other mirror
[04:38] <viZio1> can somebody else help me with my sound problems (slept seems busy :))
[04:38] <black_Nightmare> I'm going off...bye
[04:38] <slept> sihen : then do an update
[04:38] <sihen> slept,  which source is good?
[04:38] <sihen> slept, dont i have to type in a source?
[04:38] <sihen> Enter the hostname of the mirror from which Ubuntu will be downloaded.
[04:38] <slept> sihen: look for somthing thats near
[04:39] <sihen> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[04:39] <sihen> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[04:39] <sihen> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[04:39] <sihen> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[04:39] <sihen> trying the SA one
[04:40] <viZio1> bye black
[04:40] <sihen> slept, diff sources and get to the same point heh
[04:41] <nvashi2> sihen: what were you installing that has all of this
[04:41] <nubbe> I got a progress-bar in X-chat beneath the nick-list, what is that for?
[04:41] <Spooks> lagbar?
[04:41] <teleyinex> hi
[04:41] <nvashi2> and yes I know it is an update
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> thats the lag thinggig
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> its changeable to some #'s in the settings if you want
[04:42] <teleyinex> how the hell I can get my wifi card be in ad-hoc mode?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> 'latency' or somthing.
[04:42] <sihen> nvashi2, just doing a apt-get upgrade. its trying to install the openoffice upgrade?
[04:42] <teleyinex> cause i have add the stanzas to /etc/network/interfaces and everytime I reboot i get my card in managed mode
[04:42] <teleyinex> why?
[04:42] <linuzo> How many people suing kubuntu?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> Ya mean USEing ? :P
[04:43] <teleyinex> If i do /etc/init.d/network restart
[04:43] <linuzo> :)
[04:43] <Spooks> Or using
[04:43] <teleyinex> then i get it in ad-hoc mode
[04:43] <nvashi2> I hope that what he meant
[04:43] <AndyFitz> GNOME is solid.  KDE is rice :P  nah  I love both
[04:43] <teleyinex> where or which program do this?
[04:43] <linuzo> Can someone tell me why I am getting segment fault when I run xmms
[04:43] <linuzo> and when I try to run glxgears I get seg fault too
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. printer just kicked in...  wife is prnting porn again.. :p
[04:43] <linuzo> lol @ Dr_Aevil
[04:43] <linuzo> lol @ Dr_Willis
[04:44] <sihen> any idea's?
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> oh wait.. its more 'cat furniture' - UGH
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> wose then porn.. Online SHopping!
[04:44] <jesusfreak69> teleyinx: iwconfig eth? mode ad-hoc
[04:44] <teleyinex> jesusfreak69, yes
[04:44] <slept> sihen : are you sure your connection is up try to ping  www.google.de
[04:44] <teleyinex> but i dont want to that all the times I boot my pc
[04:44] <linuzo> gonna try reboot and if xmms still doesn't work I dunno what I'm gona do
[04:44] <linuzo> lol
[04:45] <teleyinex> I want, taht when I boot my pc I get it in ad-hoc
[04:45] <linuzo> wonder why glxgears gives me a segment fault
[04:45] <markc> use alsaplayer
[04:45] <deFrysk> linuzo, using nvidia ?
[04:45] <jesusfreak69> Tele - ubuntu is wierd with the wireless in my whole 3 days of expirence
[04:45] <linuzo> deFrysk,  yeah
[04:46] <deFrysk> install mikmod
[04:46] <garrut> my xserver randomly crashes, anyone else having problems with that?
[04:46] <deFrysk> or something
[04:46] <sihen> slept, im using the connection to chat here, its the same box
[04:46] <nvashi2> slept: sihen is using the pc to talk here [that is what I got from his earlier statmenst]  so it must be up
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> 'wireless and linux' - the next incarnation of the 'companies not releaseing driver info' plague. :(
[04:46] <sihen> --- www.google.com ping statistics ---
[04:46] <sihen> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
[04:46] <sihen> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 326.682/356.246/416.539/31.983 ms
[04:46] <xamdm> linuzo, installed newer nvidia-driver then the one provided by ubuntu ??
[04:46] <linuzo> deFrysk, I installed libmikmod2 already but not it just gives me segment fault..
[04:46] <sic|work> anyone know how to fix an unbalanced DPI?  Be as specific as possible with what file to set it in...I have been looking for this info for a while
[04:47] <linuzo> xamdm, I installed the one from the nvidia website
[04:47] <slept> sihen : the only error you get ist that your connection times out ?
[04:47] <sihen> all my other upgrades are fine
[04:47] <sihen> slept, its only on this file
[04:47] <linuzo> xamdm, was working fine last night then I started my comp this morning and i get this
[04:47] <deFrysk> linuzo, then i do not know
[04:47] <xamdm> linuzo, also installed the restricted-modules pakages, if so jou hav a version mismatch
[04:47] <nubbe> there it goes again
[04:47] <nubbe> :)
[04:47] <nvashi2> sihen: I thought it said 3 not updated
[04:48] <sihen> Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe scrollz 1.9.2-1 [586kB] 
[04:48] <sihen> 94% [1 scrollz 556400/586kB 94%]                                                                                                                 58.3kB/s 0s
[04:48] <nubbe> there r actually 2 but only the upper 2 shows any signs of life
[04:48] <nubbe> upper 1
[04:48] <nubbe> no one knows?
[04:48] <sihen> its working fine, just that file.. :(
[04:48] <linuzo> loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-7167
[04:48] <xamdm> linuzo, ls -l /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 , where does it point too ??
[04:48] <slept> sihen: which package?
[04:49] <sihen> slept,
[04:49] <sihen> Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main openoffice.org-bin 1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1 [41.5MB] 
[04:49] <sihen> 21% [1 openoffice.org-bin 8764698/41.5MB 21%] 
[04:49] <sihen> just stays on 21% then tiems out
[04:49] <linuzo> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 21 2005-03-21 01:35 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 -> libGLcore.so.1.0.7167
[04:49] <xamdm> linuzo, that looks right, so daos any 3dapplikation segfault ??
[04:50] <linuzo> lol dunno never tried any yet.. lol..
[04:50] <linuzo> but I didn't think glxgears should eb..
[04:50] <slept> sihen: looks like you selected the same mirror again , try one somwhere else with apt-setup
[04:50] <xamdm> linuzo, why didn't jou use the driver from ubuntu ??
[04:50] <linuzo> cause there is no acceleration for opengl
[04:50] <xamdm> linuzo, hoary ore warty ??
[04:50] <xamdm> linuzo, wrong
[04:50] <linuzo> I'm using the kunbuntu hoary or whatever
[04:51] <deFrysk> linuzo, read the wiki pages
[04:51] <linuzo> kubuntu hoary
[04:51] <sihen> slept, i have 3 different sources in /etc/apt/source.list
[04:51] <deFrysk> linuzo, read and learn
[04:51] <sianis> hi all
[04:51] <linuzo> deFrysk, well with Ubuntu's drivers I was only getting 66 FPS
[04:51] <linuzo> with nvidia's I was getting 300 FPS
[04:51] <xamdm> linuzo, just uninstall the nvidia-driver package, anable universe in the sources list, and install nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx also the restricted-modules which match your kernel
[04:51] <sianis> do some1 use synaptics touchpad driver on ubuntu?
[04:51] <sic|work> linuzo: if you search the wiki it will tell you how to enable it
[04:52] <linuzo> olk sic
[04:52] <linuzo> thanks
[04:52] <deFrysk> linuzo, explayn ubuntu drivers
[04:52] <deFrysk> explain
[04:52] <linuzo> deFrysk, I installed the nvidia drivers in the package manager
[04:52] <bloated> how do i dexconf
[04:52] <sihen> slept, have tried a few from the http list on apt-setup
[04:52] <deFrysk> linuzo, if you would have read the wikipages ,....blah
[04:53] <sianis> helihooo
[04:54] <sianis> do someone use synaptics???
[04:54] <linuzo> deFrysk,  what's the url for the wiki?
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> you mean 'synaptic' the package installer tool?
[04:54] <deFrysk> linuzo, klick wiki on ubuntu frontpage
[04:54] <SeeleyUSMC> Sad...I tried downloading the torrent from the ubuntulinux.com site and it was currupt
[04:54] <bloated> how do i configure x
[04:55] <sianis> wow
[04:55] <sianis> grup qiut
[04:55] <no0tic> split!
[04:55] <deFrysk> linuzo, it leads to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[04:55] <linuzo> k thanks
[04:56] <deancographics> Hello, has anyone successfully downloaded Kubuntu??
[04:56] <linuzo> plus I'm uninstalling all nvidia
[04:56] <linuzo> deancographics, yes works great
[04:56] <vijub> hello friends, want some help in setting up sound
[04:56] <SeeleyUSMC> linuzo, Is it exactly the same as ubuntu, just with KDE?
[04:56] <deancographics> Is there a alternate download mirror?
[04:57] <linuzo> deancographics,  use the torrent
[04:57] <vijub> I installed gstream, after that whenever i start any multimedia app, i get the message "Failed to create a GStreamer play object"
[04:57] <sihen> ok now i am totally stuck
[04:57] <vijub> but as root there is no problem
[04:57] <bloated> how do i configure X
[04:57] <vijub> anybody can help?
[04:58] <no0tic> preview installer activates root user?
[04:58] <wdh> SeeleyUSMC, yes.. if you just install plain ubuntu and add kubuntu-desktop, you have KUbuntu
[04:59] <viZio1> ok, something went wrong :S
[04:59] <wdh> assuming you ment to ask: wtf is KDE :P
[04:59] <wdh> s\KDE\KUbuntu
[05:00] <SeeleyUSMC> wdh oic
[05:00] <viZio1> does anyone know how to get my sound working (Again) in, Warty it worked, bu now in Hoary it doesnt... ESD etc. are installed, nothing says muted. plz help
[05:00] <SeeleyUSMC> So Ubuntu origional is just the same but wit GNOME...which is horrible
[05:01] <Myrtti> not that fight again
[05:01] <JDigital> halp me guys
[05:01] <JDigital> :v
[05:01] <wdh> JDigital, dont ask for help.. just ask :)
[05:01] <JDigital> I renamed a folder on a Windows drive from "d&d" to "D&D" and Nautilus crashed without renaming it
[05:02] <viZio1> does anyone know how to solve my sound problem?
[05:02] <JDigital> I can "ls" it just fine, and I renamed the folder to "DnD", but nautilus stalls when I try to open it
[05:03] <JDigital> like it uses 100% CPU
[05:04] <viZio1> :-/ anyone, sound, not working, audigy2, argh O:-)
[05:05] <mijndert> viZio1, I also got a problem with my sound. I got a SiS 7012 chip.
[05:06] <viZio1> mijndert, tegen mij mag je nederlands praten
[05:06] <viZio1> :P
[05:06] <mijndert> lol :)
[05:06] <deFrysk> praet mar Frysk
[05:06] <mijndert> weet niet of de mensen hier dat leuk vinden
[05:06] <Myrtti> English please
[05:07] <mijndert> Sorry
[05:07] <Myrtti> or I'll start cursing in Finnish
[05:07] <mijndert> lol
[05:07] <viZio1> please no finnish
[05:07] <viZio1> swedish is fine though
[05:07] <deFrysk> mijndert there is also an #ubuntu-nl channel
[05:07] <viZio1> For anyone else, i'll just keep in english for now
[05:07] <viZio1> The problem is: in Warty i had sound... but now  in hoarty i dont have anymore
[05:07] <mijndert> ah
[05:07] <viZio1> volume control is NOT on mute...
[05:08] <viZio1> and ESD is loaded
[05:08] <viZio1> did anyone had this problem? and managed to solve it?
[05:08] <mijndert> deFrysk, thanks
[05:09] <viZio1> there's more peepz entering then answering / asking questions
[05:09] <JDigital> hehe
[05:09] <viZio1> enough new peepz now HI ALL
[05:09] <SeeleyUSMC> Here's a question...why is the torrent for kubuntu so darned slow?  Sheeze!
[05:10] <no0tic> hoary preview installer activated root account...
[05:10] <viZio1> i have a sound problem, i had sound in warty, but after updating to hoary, i dont hear anything.. Mixers are not on mute
[05:11] <viZio1> Frysk perhaps you know a solution?
[05:11] <no0tic> it's normal?
[05:11] <slept> viZio1 : try console mpg321 agian, kill all aplications that might block the card xmms,esd, ...
[05:12] <Myrtti> I have a girly question for all (prolly non-existant) women users here. I want to find a beautiful and stylish GDM theme. Any advice appreciated, currently having SVG Sakura -theme
[05:12] <viZio1> slept: killall esd ?
[05:12] <slept> viZio1: yes
[05:12] <ejah__> hi/re
[05:12] <slept> viZio1: you can get a list of all processea with ps -ax
[05:13] <scizzo> Myrtti: looked at gnome-look.org and art.gnome.org?
[05:13] <Myrtti> did, but I guess I'm too picky
[05:13] <SeeleyUSMC> Question: Should I report a bad torrent that came from the ubuntu site itself?
[05:13] <slept> viZio1: or uce CTRL + ESC under X
[05:14] <viZio1> i have a list
[05:14] <viZio1> only thing that has anything to do with sound is :  9379 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default5
[05:14] <slept> viZio1 : not what you are looking for
[05:15] <viZio1> mmz, cant put the list here, to big :P dont think many people would like that
[05:15] <Myrtti> I guess I'll have to do one myself
[05:15] <Myrtti> damn I'm too picky
[05:15] <slept> vizio1: youn can pate in #flood
[05:16] <viZio1> ?
[05:16] <wdh> or on one of many paste-sites..
[05:16] <wdh> try pastebin.org.. could be .com/net as well :P
[05:18] <slept> viZio1: try to mpg321 filename again
[05:21] <rapha_> Just  installed Array-7, and immediately (before doing anything else) installed Tomboy, too, and it says "** (/usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe:8174): WARNING **: Could not find assembly Mono.Posix, references from /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe (assemblyref_index=1)" ... this isn't my fault, is it?
[05:22] <slept> viZio1: if you want to be sure that nothing blocks your card you can switch to a terminal , sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if you want your xserver back restart it with sudo /etc...gdm restart) then try to mpg321 filename, if you need irc you can use bitchx
[05:22] <viZion2> lol
[05:22] <viZion2> i got kicked, exception flood in #flood
[05:22] <slept> viZio1: if you want to be sure that nothing blocks your card you can switch to a terminal , sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if you want your xserver back restart it with sudo /etc...gdm restart) then try to mpg321 filename, if you need irc you can use bitchx
[05:23] <Myrtti> <3 irssi
[05:24] <kent> Has some one used wine and know where to put .dll files that was required from windows? Is there some special place to put them?
[05:25] <data_> hi all.. does anyone know how i can find the kernel mode for ntfs for ubuntu?
[05:26] <Albacker> why did apt-get install another version of gcc, :
[05:26] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni # gcc
[05:26] <Albacker> gcc         gcc-2.95    gcc-3.3     gccbug      gccbug-3.3  gccmakedep
[05:26] <bung__> data_: I thought it did it automagically
[05:26] <Albacker>  did apt-get install gpc, and it installed gcc too
[05:27] <data_> bung__ well im real new to linux and ive almost had a nervous breakdown all day i cant read my other 2 hdds
[05:27] <slept> data_: just modprobe ntfs - allready works
[05:27] <slept> data_: with sudo
[05:28] <rapha_> Hmm
[05:28] <rapha_> Wierd
[05:28] <Stuttergart> Anyone know where I can get Array7 media with the Dell megaraid drivers in the initird?
[05:28] <bung__> $ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[05:28] <data_> bung__ could you type the whole line so i can paste is? sorry but i have no idea what im doing here
[05:28] <bung__> ^^ that did the modprobe for me..
[05:28] <rapha_> I uninstalled tomboy & deps, apt-get clean'd, reinstalled and now it runs
[05:28] <Albacker> can anyone help me please ?
[05:28] <bung__> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[05:28] <viZion2> ok with only console, it doesnt work
[05:28] <slept> data_ : sudo modprobe ntfs
[05:28] <bung__> data_: actually you'll probably want a -o uid=data or something in there too
[05:29] <viZion2> when starting up linux, when it stats the ALSA, i do hear a plop on my speakers so it seems to load?
[05:29] <thully> hi - quick question - I'm having trouble compiling a class project - it works fine on Fedora, but on Ubuntu with build-essential installed I get the following error
[05:29] <slept> viZion2: select alsa plugin with xmms
[05:29] <thully> nim_position.h:109: error: `assert' undeclared (first use this function)
[05:29] <thully> nim_position.h:109: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[05:29] <thully>    for each function it appears in.)
[05:29] <thully> make: *** [nim_position.o]  Error 1
[05:30] <viZion2> no sound...
[05:30] <data_>  bung__ nothing
[05:30] <rapha_> Is there a tutorial for installing dvdrip anywhere? The package is in Synaptic, but it says it depends on transcode which is not installable when I try to install it...
[05:30] <bung__> data_: nothing's good.
[05:30] <slept> viZion2: speakers are connected fine ?
[05:30] <petemc> rapha_: add a marillat source
[05:30] <rapha_> viZion2: I'm going to try out what crimsun earlier suggested now, and see if that helps with our sound
[05:31] <rapha_> slept: viZion2 and I are having more low-level problems
[05:31] <bung__> sudo ls /mnt/windows
[05:31] <rapha_> petemc: thx
[05:31] <bung__> (try without sudo too)
[05:31] <data_> bung__ so shall i commit suicide now or after dinner?? heheh
[05:31] <viZion2> speakers are connected normally
[05:31] <Zotnix> Wow... on distrowatch for the last 6 months Ubuntu is number 2, overtaking Fedora... and for the last three months it got the number one spot.
[05:31] <bung__> data_: do so now, but only once you've stuck your dinner in the post to me.
[05:31] <Zotnix> (only hits though, but a lot of traffic there ;p)
[05:31] <viZion2> the sound DID work in warty, but after updating to hoarty it DOESNT work anymore, you got that to rapha?
[05:32] <selinium_> hi all, i am trying to install a driver for my tv card, in the install it refers to 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' how does this translate on hoary?
[05:32] <selinium_> HI there slept! thanks for the help the other day!
[05:32] <bung__> selinium_: check that there's not a binary driver already somewhere
[05:32] <rapha_> petemc: how do I shut it up about the public key lacking?
[05:33] <petemc> rapha_: add the key, theres a how to on the wii
[05:33] <petemc> wiki
[05:33] <data_> bung__ ok so i did all that and the dinner is inthe post
[05:33] <rapha_> Thanks petemc
[05:33] <viZion2> rapha_: what is your specific problem?
[05:33] <slept> data_: did you mount -t ntfs /dev/hd... /mnt/windows ?
[05:34] <Spooks> Newb alert: Is their a standard way to install .rpm's?
[05:34] <petemc> -o umask=022
[05:34] <rapha_> viZion2: we spoke about it before. Since Hoary I have no audible sound output anymore, even though everything looks like it was working, except that gstreamer can't build an ALSA pipe.
[05:34] <data_> viZion2 did i what? like i said .. im lost in linux
[05:34] <Myrtti> Spooks: alien
[05:34] <rapha_> Spooks: alien -d blah.rpm; dpkg -i blah.deb
[05:34] <Myrtti> Spooks: but why
[05:35] <viZion2> rapha_: seems like same problem
[05:35] <rapha_> Myrtti: you could of course write a shell script that does that and call it /usr/bin/rpm
[05:35] <Spooks> hmm
[05:35] <rapha_> viZion2: Like I said, you and I have talked about it just a couple of hours ago
[05:35] <viZion2> rapha_: System -> Prefrences -> Multimedia Systems Selection
[05:36] <Myrtti> rapha_: Me not need rpm's, me got deb. Me woman, me not play around with things unknown
[05:36] <rapha_> viZion2: I know
[05:36] <viZion2> rapha_: what tests do work?? with you
[05:36] <rapha_> Myrtti, didn't you ask how to install RPMs?
[05:36] <Myrtti> rapha_: no?
[05:36] <rapha_> viZion2: just OSS
[05:36] <Myrtti> Spooks did
[05:36] <cisa> where to get kernel-source for the 2.6.8.1 in warty-release? without the source i cannot build the drivers for my usb-adsl modem so i cannot use apt.
[05:36] <deFrysk> Spooks, rpms are for rpm based distros , deb for debian based
[05:36] <rapha_> Myrtti, in that case, and with respect to you being a women (and I knowing my girlfriend), I apologize
[05:36] <viZion2> ALSA, OSS, and ESD are "working" here
[05:36] <deFrysk> Spooks, better not mix them
[05:37] <rapha_> s/i knowing/me knowing
[05:37] <Spooks> ahh
[05:37] <viZion2> at least, it shows a progressbar going back and forth
[05:37] <Spooks> I was under the impression they were just a different kinda of package/archive
[05:37] <Myrtti> rapha_: I told him that alien does the trick, and wondered (although shortly) why he'd need to use rpms
[05:37] <deFrysk> Spooks, sometimes in times of destress we sometimes convert an rpm to a deb with alien
[05:38] <Spooks> I see
[05:38] <rapha_> Myrtti, And I also told him to use alien, but was a tad slower (albeit more verbose) than you. No idea where the misunderstanding came from.
[05:38] <deFrysk> Spooks, but its usually not done
[05:38] <Myrtti> rapha_: hey, we're just humans :-)
[05:38] <rapha_> Myrtti: so if we could be friends again that would be great :-)
[05:38] <viZion2> no were not Myrtti
[05:38] <rapha_> Heheh
[05:38] <viZion2> i only look human
[05:38] <Myrtti> and I'm multitasking, so I get confused easily
[05:38] <rapha_> viZion2; so what are you?
[05:39] <cisa> i can't find them on http://www.uni-muenster.de/Jura.itm/hoeren/INHALTE/lehre/lehrematerialien.htm
[05:39] <cisa> hmm
[05:39] <selinium_> bung_: all the links send me eventually to the same page!
[05:39] <rapha_> Myrtti, actually, I thought men were more prone to make errors when multitaksing?
[05:39] <cisa> sorry, wrong url
[05:39] <viZion2> i'm an device, with unstable drivers for linux
[05:39] <EddieX> Weird, i have installed adobes acrobat reader through apt. But now i cant find the binary for it ony my system. Have reinstalled it and same problem
[05:39] <Stuttergart> Has anyone been able to install Hoary onto machine with a Perc controller?
[05:39] <EddieX> Anyone?
[05:40] <viZion2> EddieX, on the site of Adobe, there is a version 7 available
[05:40] <EddieX> viZion2, Ok.. but i still dont know what happend to it :)
[05:40] <selinium_> hi all, i am trying to install a driver for my tv card, in the install it refers to 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' how does this translate on hoary?
[05:40] <Albacker> where are the debs stored when I do apt-get install ?
[05:40] <markc> how "safe" is it to add normal debian archives to sources.list (like for PHP) ?
[05:40] <thully> anyone have a clue on my compiler issue?  I have to finish this today... (and fedora keeps blowing up on my machine)
[05:41] <bung__> EddieX: list files with dpkg -L [packagename] 
[05:41] <cisa> Albacker: /var/cache/apt
[05:41] <Albacker> thanx cisa
[05:41] <markc> Albacker > /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:41] <EddieX> bung_ ok.
[05:41] <Myrtti> markc: not that wise
[05:41] <viZion2> rapha_: making any progress?
[05:41] <selinium_> bung__: all the links send me eventually to the same page!
[05:41] <markc> Myrtti> so in the case of PHP, what you recomend I do ?
[05:41] <Myrtti> I have it commented off in sources.list and take the # off only in ultimate need
[05:42] <rapha> viZion2: patience :)
[05:42] <EddieX> bung_ That i have already done, and i cant find the binary program, just a shellscript where the binary should be.
[05:42] <bung__> selinium_: lame
[05:42] <viZion2> patience, dont have that installed i guess, yeah in windows
[05:42] <Myrtti> markc: depends on if you run hoary or warty
[05:42] <markc> Myrtti> assuming you care to recomend anything :-)
[05:42] <Myrtti> if hoary, I'd go for it
[05:42] <Myrtti> if warty, forget it
[05:42] <selinium_> bung__ ? my searching abilities or the install?
[05:42] <markc> Myrtti> hoary... just add normal deb repositories do you mean ?
[05:42] <Myrtti> but there surely are other opinions
[05:43] <Myrtti> markc: testing
[05:43] <markc> Myrtti> cool, thanks
[05:43] <Myrtti> np
[05:43] <bung__> selinium_: possibly both, I dunno :)
[05:44] <selinium_> bung__ lol! do you konw what the /path/to/kernel/source/tree is on hoary?
[05:44] <cisa> is there somebody who could give me some informations about the eagle-usb module wich is built in the kernel of warty? - or, who is the maintainer of these packages (eagle-usb and kernel)
[05:44] <selinium_> bung__ or is what I am trying to do not a good idea?
[05:45] <cisa> selinium_: normally it should be /usr/src
[05:45] <bung__> yeah
[05:45] <bung__> but I suck at using debian kernels
[05:45] <viZion2> selinium_: defenition of a good idea: install MS-DOS 6.2 or older, use EDIT for documents, QBASIC for anything else
[05:45] <bung__> so... hope someone else turns up
[05:45] <selinium_> :D OK!
[05:46] <Bauhn> Hey, can anyone here help me with getting counterstrike running on wine?
[05:46] <cisa> Bauhn: did you try cedega/wine? i heard about that.
[05:47] <Bauhn> cisa, i have installed wine.. but i dont understand it at all
[05:47] <bung__> half-life 1 has worked under normal wine for a few years
[05:47] <cisa> Bauhn: i am not a "gamer", but cedega should be a better choice
[05:47] <viZion2> Bauhn: sudo wine cs.exe ?
[05:47] <bung__> ewwww
[05:47] <bung__> no sudo
[05:47] <viZion2> sudo for installation
[05:47] <bung__> nah
[05:48] <Bauhn> viZion2, but i dont have cs installed?
[05:48] <Bauhn> i dont know how to get i neither
[05:48] <cisa> is there no pppoe package in warty?
[05:48] <bung__> you want the files to be user writeable too I expect,  just like windows
[05:48] <bung__> and maybe root will have his own registry too?
[05:49] <Bauhn> bung__, yes
[05:50] <Bauhn> and now when i'm going to try cedega, how do i uninstall wine?
[05:51] <cisa> Bauhn: you dont have to uninstall wine
[05:51] <ikaro> just install beer
[05:51] <no0tic> can anyone answer me? why hoary preview installer activates root account?
[05:51] <viZion2> lol!
[05:51] <Bauhn> cisa, no, but i just have 6gb of hdd and i dont want anything to take unescessary space
[05:52] <cisa> Bauhn: apt-get --purge remove $PROGRAM
[05:52] <viZion2> Bauhn
[05:52] <viZion2> fdisk, and then remove all partitions, that should free some space
[05:52] <Spooks> Ah, found my problem. I have no C compiler installed
[05:52] <Spooks> GG me
[05:53] <zenrox> Spooks,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:53] <zenrox> for more help
[05:54] <zenrox> and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[05:54] <viZion2> i GOT SOUND!! WOOOHOOOOOO!
[05:54] <slept> bauhn : debfoster should help you to get rid of the things you don't need want
[05:54] <ulisse> hi all!
[05:54] <slept> viZion"
[05:55] <ulisse> Is there a way to "downgrade" from hoary 64 to 32 bit?
[05:55] <viZion2> i turned on the TV :( my pc doesnt make any sounds :(
[05:55] <ulisse> without reinstalling, i mean
[05:55] <thully> ulisse: no, you have to reinstall (you can save your home directory to save some work, though)
[05:56] <viZion2> argh are there some weird solar radiations this week???
[05:56] <viZion2> My PC's fucked up
[05:56] <viZion2> My notebook network doesnt work anymore
[05:56] <viZion2> my tv's remote is broken
[05:56] <ulisse> ok, thanks thully
[05:56] <amiroff> guys, how do I make minmized apps on taskbar to be the same size no matter how many apps are there on taskbar?
[05:56] <ulisse> anyone owns a Radeon Mobility 9600?
[05:56] <viZion2> :-P the only things still working are the Windows server, and the Windows computers
[05:56] <thully> no, but I have a Radeon Mobility 7500
[05:57] <thully> Does anyone know why my darned compiler isn't working the way it seems it should?  This assert error is getting on my nerves ( I really want to develop on this box and not sshed into another)
[05:57] <ulisse> thully, do you have DRI working?
[05:57] <zenrox> viZion2,  you shure a bofh didnt screw with you
[05:57] <viZion2> hahaha
[05:57] <viZion2> i'm the bofh in this home
[05:57] <rapha_> crimsun, btw, the src group doesn't appear to be able to write to /usr/src by default.
[05:58] <thully> I think I do - but I just use the open drivers (not fglrx) since fglrx doesn't work on this card
[05:58] <viZion2> :D they sure arent happy with account restriction here :D
[05:58] <zenrox> viZion2,  lol
[05:58] <viZion2> XP SP2, limited account, Anti Spyware
[05:58] <viZion2> hehehe
[05:58] <ulisse> thanks again, thully
[05:59] <thully> but fglrx works on a 9600... no experience there, though
[05:59] <zenrox> viZion2,  write a antspyware script that deletes windows and installs ubuntu
[05:59] <thully> you can't suspend with fglrx installed ,though
[05:59] <viZion2> i already have it zenrox
[05:59] <zenrox> lol
[05:59] <viZion2> its quite effective
[05:59] <Blissex> thully: suspending is a dodgy idea regardless
[05:59] <zenrox> hahahahhahahahhaha
[05:59] <elshadii> I have just aquired a 4-port router and would like to be able to get two computers on the internet and share files can someone point me in the right direction for a How to?
[05:59] <viZion2> first run, it installed ubuntu, removed all my partitions except NTFS, and removed the MBR...
[05:59] <thully> Why? to disk, to ram, or both?
[06:00] <zenrox> elshadii,  ill talk you tharu it msg me
[06:00] <thully> I find it can be somewhat troublesome, but necessary in my case
[06:00] <viZion2> disabled the ability of Windows Setup to boot
[06:00] <thully> not needed for desktops, though
[06:00] <zenrox> viZion2,  thats kewl can i have a copy
[06:00] <zenrox> lol
[06:00] <viZion2> its called the Ubuntu installation cd
[06:01] <zenrox> i have one more win pc i need to infect
[06:01] <viZion2> to be honest
[06:01] <viZion2> i love windows
[06:01] <zenrox> elshadii, try using /msg zenrox hello
[06:01] <viZion2> i need linux for school
[06:01] <viZion2> else i had windows on
[06:02] <Myrtti> I'd need Windows for school, but I refuse to use it
[06:02] <viZion2> Windows: Everything works, and if it doesnt, it is easy to repair
[06:02] <viZion2> Linux: nothing works, and dont think you can get it to work
[06:02] <Myrtti> hmmm, I should prolly try the Citrix thing again
[06:02] <Myrtti> viZion2: YMMV, as mine does
[06:02] <thully> I need Linux for school and I like it as well... but this dang Fedora/Ubuntu compiler inconsistency is driving me NUTS!
[06:03] <viZion2> YMMV??????????
[06:03] <hawke_> viZion2: Apparently the GAIM IRC client works....else you'd not be here.
[06:03] <slept> viZion2 : don't be frustated it takes some time to get used to things
[06:03] <Guinea> Hey ya!
[06:04] <viZion2> my first attempt with linux was, red hat 6, back in 98 i guess? or 99 something like that
[06:04] <Myrtti> viZion2: Your Mileage May Vary
[06:04] <Myrtti> viZion2: ie. your experiences may differ from other peoples
[06:05] <Guinea> I've got a problem. I had installed Win98 and Win2k. I also installed Ubuntu then. First, there was no problem - I could boot every system. But somehow, I can't boot Win98 now and I don't know why... there are those four commands in Grub, and all I see then is a blinking cursor, but nothing happens.
[06:05] <cusco> hi ya!
[06:05] <spiral> hi
[06:06] <Myrtti> uuulalalaaa
[06:06] <slept> viZion2: did you reboot after your change to hoary and is discover installed ? try that and reboot sound might work then.
[06:06] <cusco> actually... Im rebooting now
[06:07] <viZion2> i did reboot yeah
[06:07] <Bauhn> hmm, i cant find cedega.. does anyone know how i can do that?
[06:07] <bung__> thully: is whatever you're trying to compile online anywhere?
[06:07] <mina_linux_Tux> Does anyone knows how to use the MemTest in the LiveCD i tried to run the LivCD and to select the Memtest | Memtest --.. and what i got is switch to the text mode .. so how to use this is utility ?
[06:07] <Guinea> Win98 is installed on my second hard disk (secondary master), while Win2k and Ubuntu are installed on the first one (primary master).
[06:07] <thully> no - but I do have the error message
[06:07] <amiroff> guys, how do I make minmized apps on taskbar to be the same size no matter how many apps are there on taskbar?
[06:07] <thully> This compiles fine on fedora core 3
[06:08] <Guinea> I wanted to reinstall win98, but unfortunately the setup program doesn't let me choose on which drive I want to install it.
[06:08] <mina_linux_Tux> hello may  anyone answer me please
[06:09] <mina_linux_Tux> this is the question .. "Does anyone knows how to use the MemTest in the LiveCD i tried to run the LivCD and to select the Memtest | Memtest --.. and what i got is switch to the text mode .. so how to use this is utility ?
[06:09] <Guinea> Dunno ;)
[06:10] <slept> Guinea : switch hda of in the bios
[06:10] <mina_linux_Tux> hellooooooo
[06:10] <Guinea> slept: How do you mean that?
[06:11] <viZion2> discover does see my soundcard
[06:11] <mina_linux_Tux> may anyone answer my questionnnnnnn
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port
[06:11] <mina_linux_Tux> helloo anybody there
[06:11] <viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port
[06:11] <bung__> spamtastic
[06:11] <viZion2> hehe sry
[06:12] <Myrtti> does alien -i work in Ubuntu hoary?
[06:12] <viZion2> didnt copy paste the complete list though :D
[06:12] <Myrtti> I think I've found a way of getting Citrix work
[06:12] <Myrtti> and that's by installing it from a rpm
[06:12] <slept> Guinea: reboot, go to the bios select none for primary master, install win on hdc
[06:12] <WickedKlown> errm i dont know if i should ask this here but i applyed for the free cds like 2 months ago and i havent got them yet
[06:14] <Jesterace> WickedKlown, give it time, i just got mine
[06:14] <Jesterace> i forget when i asked for them
[06:15] <mina_linux_Tux> there is no one here .. care to answer me ?
[06:15] <markc> when mixing hoary and std debian testing debs, should something be "pinned" ?
[06:15] <WickedKlown> i am a LUG and i want to distruburte them to every one
[06:16] <slept> mina_linux_Tux : what is your problem ?
[06:17] <rimmer> hi, can anyone help me
[06:18] <slept> mina_linux_Tux : heloooooooo
[06:18] <Myrtti> OMFG o.0
[06:18] <Myrtti> you know what I just did
[06:18] <viZion2> no?
[06:18] <Myrtti> I managed to install the damn Citrix thing and it DAMMIT WORKS
[06:18] <jason> rimmer: whats the problem
[06:18] <rimmer> hey please anyone help me, I'm new to linux, I have installed ubuntu and in installation process I set only my own account password, but when i'm trying to login as super-user, it asks the password and I don't know it
[06:18] <Myrtti> WOWEE
[06:19] <bung__> rimmer: don't login as super-user
[06:19] <rimmer> I need to install XMMS
[06:19] <rimmer> how to do it then?
[06:19] <Spooks> Synaptic is saying gcc is installed, yet when trying to compile it says I have no C compiler installed. Any ideas please anyone?
[06:19] <bung__> sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:19] <Myrtti> then do it by apt-get
[06:19] <Myrtti> or synaptic
[06:19] <rimmer> hmm I'm new, can somebody query me and explain me those commands? please...
[06:19] <jason> rimmer sudo command
[06:19] <bung__> just do it :)
[06:20] <bung__> or use the synaptic gui
[06:20] <jason> man apt-get
[06:20] <bung__> apparently it's nice.
[06:20] <kotatsu> rimmer: you generally don't want to log in as root... there are reasons for it, but not many on a daily basis when you're just doing desktop stuff
[06:20] <viZion2> apt-get install windows
[06:20] <slept> spooks :  did you use gcc itself gcc ?
[06:20] <rimmer> ok so... sudo apt-get install xmms ?
[06:20] <kotatsu> rimmer: you can use the sudo command to execute commands as root, or "sudo -s" to become root
[06:21] <Spooks> Pardon?
[06:21] <slept> spooks :  one gcc to much
[06:21] <Spooks> oh
[06:21] <rimmer> ALL: what means 'apt-get' ?
[06:21] <kotatsu> rimmer: apt-get is a way to install programs from the command line
[06:21] <bung__>        apt-get - APT package handling utility -- command-line interface
[06:22] <bung__>        apt-get is the command-line tool for handling packages, and may be con-
[06:22] <bung__>        sidered the user's "back-end" to other tools  using  the  APT  library.
[06:22] <bung__>        Several  "front-end"  interfaces  exist,  such as dselect(8), aptitude,
[06:22] <bung__>        synaptic, gnome-apt and wajig.
[06:22] <rapha_> viZion2: crimsun: Rebuilding ALSA didn't help.
[06:22] <rimmer> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:22] <rimmer> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:22] <rimmer> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:22] <rimmer> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:22] <rimmer> is only available from another source
[06:22] <rimmer> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[06:22] <rimmer> I need to download it, right? :(
[06:22] <Spooks> Basically I'm just following install instructions (./configure -> make -> make install), it tells me no C compiler is installed
[06:22] <kotatsu> rimmer: run $ sudo apt-get update
[06:22] <bung__> ah, you shouldn't have to, no
[06:22] <slept> rimmer : sudo apt-get install selflinux , this will solve many of your questions
[06:22] <Spooks> Synaptic says gcc IS installed
[06:22] <Spooks> Confusion reigns
[06:23] <rimmer> E: Couldn't find package selflinux
[06:23] <garrut> rimmer: enable the universe repositories in your sources
[06:23] <rimmer> what :O
[06:23] <kotatsu> anyone know if clearlooks 0.5 will make it into hoary before release?
[06:23] <markc> Spooks > have a look at ls -l /usr/bin/gcc*
[06:24] <rimmer> i'm going to download it online, should I download RMP or sourcecode ?
[06:24] <kotatsu> not sure if they're holding off on it or not
[06:24] <bung__> apt-cache policy gcc ?
[06:24] <Spooks> No such file or directory
[06:24] <Spooks> Awesome
[06:25] <NewNick> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[06:25] <deFrysk> NewNick, k
[06:25] <kotatsu> kubuntu comes with kde by default
[06:25] <kotatsu> ubuntu comes with gnome by default
[06:25] <kotatsu> assuming you do the regular installation
[06:25] <deFrysk> ubuntu rules kubuntu whateveres
[06:26] <rimmer> ok, if i download xmms-1.2.10.tar.gz, is it easy to compile+install then ?
[06:26] <NewNick> ok, is kde a better gui then gnome?
[06:26] <deFrysk> NewNick, no
[06:26] <slept> rimmer : nano /etc/apt/sources.list, then remove the # in the line with universe , save and exit ; then sudo apt-get update; then selflinux should be available
[06:26] <markc> NewNick, yes :-)
[06:26] <deFrysk> no
[06:26] <markc> absolutely yes
[06:26] <kotatsu> rimmer: you might want to give synaptic a try... it gives you a GUI to install things from
[06:26] <deFrysk> no
[06:27] <kotatsu> rimmer: you can enable repositories and such just by clicking on them
[06:27] <blino> hi
[06:27] <viZion2> you whats a good gui?
[06:27] <RiMMER> what does selflinux do?
[06:27] <viZion2> Windows Explorer :P
[06:27] <deFrysk> gnome xfce4.2
[06:27] <blino> which wifi applet is used by default on the Ubuntu desktop ?
[06:27] <viZion2> but guys im eating, bbl
[06:27] <oggah> why is kde a better gui than gnome?
[06:27] <oggah> and vice versa
[06:27] <viZion2> i hope anyone solves the soundproblembs
[06:27] <|QuaD-> oggah: that will start a flamewar
[06:27] <kotatsu> NewNick: both kde and gnome have their followers, some of them quite zealous ;)
[06:28] <kotatsu> NewNick: they're just different... I would recommend trying both and deciding which you like more
[06:28] <slept> Rimmer : it's documentation in html , easy to understand
[06:28] <amiroff> oggah: both of them have something working when other one does not
[06:28] <markc> oggah:  try them both out yourself and save us a flamefest :-)
[06:28] <oggah> ok =)
[06:28] <oggah> thanx
[06:28] <|QuaD-> oggah: explorer.exe is the best wm though
[06:28] <deFrysk> oggah, specially gnome ;p
[06:28] <|QuaD-> JK
[06:29] <kotatsu> NewNick: gnome goes for a very simple, streamlined interface that presents the most common options, while KDE is more of a "poweruser" thing where a lot more options are generally available in the GUI
[06:29] <viZion2> :P does explorer works with wine?
[06:29] <deFrysk> |QuaD-, mouthwash and chloride
[06:29] <kotatsu> while it's certainly not true in all cases, you could say that gnome is more similar to mac and kde is more similar to windows
[06:29] <markc> oggah> fwiw I'm booted on the kbuntu liveCD right now... kde 3.4 is nice, comfortable
[06:29] <viZion2> should be major PRO if it could work with wine :P
[06:29] <slept> viZion2 : did you do a reboot ?
[06:29] <viZion2> yeah lots of them
[06:29] <RiMMER> ALL: ok i'm downloading xmms sourcecode, I hope I will be able to compile it (maybe with your help :()
[06:29] <viZion2> but im going to eat now
[06:29] <viZion2> be back soon
[06:30] <slept> viZion2: you can use cygwin with windows
[06:30] <kotatsu> RiMMER: you should just install it from apt, it's less painful
[06:30] <RiMMER> it's not in apt :o
[06:30] <kotatsu> RiMMER: you can get xmms by adding the universe repository in synaptic and downloading it
[06:30] <CarinArr> hi, i have a dell inspiron 8200 laptop with a touchpad. The touchpad works fine (unfortunately;)) and it's driving me insane so i want to disable it.. i followed the instructions in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11299.html but it still works swimmingly.. getting a bit exasperated
[06:30] <RiMMER> ok minute...
[06:30] <ghita> hello! Can someone please help me to apply a patch?
[06:31] <CarinArr> does anyone know how i could possibly solve it
[06:31] <Taleel> RiMMER: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:31] <garrut> there are lots of ways to break your youchpad :)
[06:31] <RiMMER> thanks
[06:31] <CarinArr> argh, just give me one way and i'll be happy;)
[06:32] <CarinArr> thing is i have a touchpad, and a "nipple" thing as well.. and i never ever use the touchpad
[06:32] <markc> ghita> basically it's,  patch < patch.file
[06:32] <kotatsu> a "nipple" thing
[06:32] <kotatsu> awesome
[06:32] <CarinArr> hah.. i can't think what else to call it;)
[06:32] <kotatsu> I'm going to start calling them that
[06:33] <kotatsu> "Okay, use your nipple to move the cursor to the start menu..."
[06:33] <CarinArr> heh
[06:33] <Taleel> the politically incorrect term is "clitmouse", I believe :)
[06:33] <markc> heh
[06:33] <garrut> i always call it a clit
[06:33] <RiMMER> ok editing done what now
[06:33] <RiMMER> ok update..
[06:33] <CarinArr> cute
[06:33] <slept> RiMMER: sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:33] <CarinArr> anyway, does anyone know how i could break the touchpad but not the nipple
[06:34] <kotatsu> I might be able to get away with nipplemouse at work to people with a good sense of humor, not sure about clitmouse =(
[06:34] <deFrysk> never break a nipple
[06:34] <Taleel> kotatsu: hence my disclaimer of "politically incorrect"
[06:34] <kotatsu> hehe
[06:34] <garrut> CarinArr: i think you can disable it in the bios
[06:34] <CarinArr> o
[06:34] <CarinArr> got a point, i hadn't even thought of that
[06:35] <RiMMER> what have 'sudo apt-get update' done? did it just download the list of available packages?
[06:35] <M_Fatih> rehi
[06:35] <Taleel> RiMMER: exactly
[06:35] <kotatsu> RiMMER: yup
[06:35] <Taleel> RiMMER: you should now have lots more packages available
[06:35] <CarinArr> lemme try..
[06:35] <Taleel> in Synaptic, too, if you use that
[06:35] <Efwis> anyone here know how I can find out the status of an oder i put in last month?
[06:36] <LiSTER> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[06:36] <garrut> Efwis: just sniff
[06:36] <deFrysk> LiSTER, apt-get update
[06:37] <Efwis> hehe, err I meant order
[06:37] <Efwis> damn windows keyboard
[06:37] <deFrysk> odeur ?
[06:37] <sig> anyone using skype?
[06:37] <zenrox> me
[06:37] <LiSTER> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:37] <LiSTER> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[06:37] <sig> zenrox: go to #linuxdojo and talk to me
[06:37] <deFrysk> LiSTER, shut down synaptic
[06:37] <LiSTER> Things are going from bad to worse
[06:37] <deFrysk> and use sudo
[06:38] <LiSTER> I'm not using synaptic
[06:38] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[06:38] <slept> LiSTER: you need sudo
[06:38] <deFrysk> LiSTER, use sude apt-get update
[06:38] <LiSTER> That's what I'm using
[06:38] <deFrysk> sudo , sorry
[06:38] <LiSTER> I just did
[06:38] <Jesterace> i'm stumped
[06:38] <RiMMER> guys, linux rule !
[06:38] <deFrysk> lister is the synaptic window open ?
[06:38] <LiSTER> nope
[06:38] <Jesterace> ./configure && make && make install never works for me
[06:38] <RiMMER> finally I have it and I hope I will keep it forever
[06:38] <LiSTER> jesterace, you have the same problem as me
[06:39] <deFrysk> Spooks, how much damage have you done and is it reapairable ?
[06:40] <_BIJ_> i've got a question concerning hoary array7 release... i'm using wlan on my centrino notebook and everything works fine... so far... sometimes after i had idled and my computer had activated the sceensaver the wireless connection is broken and unrepearable... only a reboot solves the problem? what the hell is wrong???
[06:40] <_BIJ_> any clues????
[06:40] <Spooks> I haven't changed anything apart from my sources.list, but that's working fine
[06:40] <deFrysk> Spooks, have you ever bothered to read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ ?
[06:40] <Spooks> Of course
[06:41] <RiMMER> hey guys listen please, is here somebody who could add me to ICQ and help me when I need it? please... I'm not lame, I am just new, but I learn fast
[06:41] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: what's wrong?
[06:41] <goldfish_> ask in here RiMMER
[06:41] <goldfish_> and listen to what ppl tell you :)
[06:41] <kotatsu> RiMMER: this channel is available 24/7 =)
[06:41] <deFrysk> Spooks, or am I talking to the wrong person ? if so my excuse
[06:41] <RiMMER> yes yes I'm doing :)
[06:41] <M_Fatih> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) ,  i installed nvidia-glx package.. ?? :(
[06:42] <RiMMER> xmms is being downloaded
[06:42] <goldfish_> cool
[06:42] <RiMMER> by the way, linux kick ass very mach
[06:42] <RiMMER> much
[06:42] <M_Fatih> modprobed..
[06:42] <GnuKemist> M_Fatih: modprobe nvidia?
[06:42] <_BIJ_> anyone knows how to solve this "broken wlan" problem???
[06:42] <M_Fatih> yes
[06:42] <goldfish_> indeed it does
[06:42] <goldfish_> i just installed xfce4.2 it's really cool
[06:42] <deFrysk> Spooks, I think I talked to the wrong person , i apologize
[06:42] <kotatsu> anyone in here use an emachines 68xx series laptop?
[06:42] <GnuKemist> M_Fatih: changed xorg.conf?
[06:42] <mina_linux_Tux> hey anyone may answer my question .. Does anyone knows how to use the MemTest in the LiveCD i tried to run the LivCD and to select the Memtest | Memtest --.. and what i got is switch to the text mode .. so how to use this is utility ?
[06:42] <Spooks> Not a problem :>
[06:43] <deFrysk> ;p
[06:43] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: sorry... no...
[06:43] <slept> mina_linux_Tux: if you don't know what to use it for, you definitly don't need it
[06:43] <dmoyne> we cannot edit bmenu with KDE hoary ! ; is there any fix ?
[06:44] <mina_linux_Tux> i want to check my memory
[06:44] <CarinArr> *weep*
[06:44] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: have you man memtest?
[06:44] <M_Fatih> GnuKemist, yes, i do it all, i dont change nv - > nvidia, it works good, but when i change, X starts nvidia logo comes, sound works, cursor works & change in movement, but nvidia logo stops, i disable the nvidaLogo on xorg.conf, when i start x it blanks.. same as @nvidialogo, cursor works, sound works..
[06:44] <M_Fatih> nvidia tnt2 32mb
[06:44] <CarinArr> see i can't see WHY anyone wouldwant to use the touchpad AND the nipple at once.. but is there a way to disable one in the bios but not the other? no.
[06:44] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, in that case use the nv driver
[06:45] <M_Fatih> deFrysk, i want to use openGL
[06:45] <GnuKemist> M_Fatih: a quick fix (just to go back to X) change it to vesa
[06:45] <CarinArr> ah, don't use the nv driver
[06:45] <M_Fatih> this is the problem
[06:45] <CarinArr> ;)
[06:45] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, I have the same card , it does not work unfortunately with nvidia drivers
[06:45] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, wart does though
[06:45] <M_Fatih> deFrysk, but i'm using in xfree other distro
[06:45] <M_Fatih> :(
[06:46] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, warty has an oldes version wich still works
[06:46] <M_Fatih> yaaa, wft problem with nvidia, xorg sucks..
[06:46] <M_Fatih> i'm using hoary..
[06:46] <GnuKemist> M_Fatih: I'm assuming you got the drivers from Nvidia's web site???
[06:46] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, no its nvidia
[06:46] <deFrysk> nvidia driver has a bug
[06:46] <CarinArr> heh.. we have to use suse at work, bought myself a quadrofx to do graphics and it wouldn't work with the nvidia drivers
[06:46] <mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemit: i tried man memtest on Debian got no manual entry for memtest , and i want to use it cause i got a kernel panic on another machine than this ..one .. and i want to check the memory .
[06:46] <M_Fatih> deFrysk, why, it's work good with xfree
[06:46] <RiMMER> hey please, what file manager should I use ?
[06:46] <slept> CarinArr: put a sticker on it
[06:46] <deFrysk> older card no longer work (sounds familiair ? )
[06:46] <M_Fatih> can i install xfree & use ?
[06:46] <RiMMER> is here some default or what :o
[06:46] <M_Fatih> in hoary
[06:47] <deFrysk> likM_has nothing to do with xorg or xfree
[06:47] <Taleel> RiMMER: Nautilus is the default in Gnome (thus, in Ubuntu)
[06:47] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: sorry for asking the obvious but have you googled for it?
[06:47] <deFrysk> it is the newer driver
[06:47] <CarinArr> t'was funny.. took the tech guys weeks to fix it.. then i upgraded the kernel a few weeks later and it went kapoof again
[06:47] <CarinArr> ;)
[06:47] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: or gone to the developer's web site
[06:47] <deFrysk> witch is foulty fot tnt64 cards
[06:47] <sianis> how can i look my kernel version???
[06:48] <deFrysk> sianis, uname -r
[06:48] <garrut> uname -r
[06:48] <RiMMER> how can I add shortcut to xmms to desktop please
[06:48] <mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemist: i gone to the forums and i didn't got how to run the memtest from a live CD to check my memory
[06:48] <deFrysk> rightklick it in the menu and chose add to desktop
[06:48] <M_Fatih> deFrysk, what can i do, install old nvidia driver or use xfree?
[06:48] <sianis> thx
[06:48] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: hummm...  not sure how to help you
[06:49] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, nothing really , the older drivers no longer work on newer kernels
[06:49] <M_Fatih> :(
[06:49] <RiMMER> which menu? I don't see it
[06:49] <M_Fatih> can i use xfree in hoary?
[06:49] <deFrysk> Riddell, klick the gnome foot
[06:49] <deFrysk> with the 5 toes
[06:49] <mina_linux_Tux> slept: do you have any idea ?
[06:49] <deFrysk> RiMMER, I mean
[06:50] <GnuKemist> 10 more minutes of freedom until I have to go back to work
[06:50] <GnuKemist> [sigh] 
[06:50] <deFrysk> M_Fatih, xfree is obsolete in hoary
[06:50] <RiMMER> hm can I see my fat32 windows drivers?
[06:50] <sianis> some1 can help me, install the bootsplash
[06:51] <GnuKemist> sianis: did that for Gentoo... required kernel tweaking... not sure for Ubuntu
[06:51] <GnuKemist> sianis: would like to learn it though... ;)
[06:51] <goldfish_> hey guys, i'm just looking at d/l some xfce4 plugins, i see they come in various formats, would it be better to get the .rpm and use alien to install them or get the .gz and build them from source?
[06:51] <RiMMER> hey people please, can i see FAT32 drives from windows?
[06:52] <goldfish_> you can RiMMER
[06:52] <RiMMER> hmm where are they :(
[06:52] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: try Nautilus
[06:52] <RiMMER> how can I run nautilus
[06:52] <goldfish_> RiMMER: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:52] <goldfish_> shows u how to mount them
[06:52] <Spooks> That fixed it
[06:52] <RiMMER> thanks hm
[06:52] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: am not at my computer now (ssh'ing into it from work) but it is in the menus
[06:53] <sianis> Gnu: okey, just i want to try
[06:53] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: just out of curiosity, have you tried memtest --help?
[06:53] <viZion2> ok, im back all
[06:53] <sianis> i don't need use them, just a probe :)
[06:54] <garrut> hmm, i think i'm all setup, everything works like it should
[06:54] <GnuKemist> sianis: it is pretty cool
[06:54] <mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemist: yes nothing i to get
[06:54] <RiMMER> rimmer@ubuntu:/dev $ cd /hda
[06:54] <RiMMER> bash: cd: /hda: No such file or directory
[06:54] <RiMMER> why :o
[06:54] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: just an idea...  ;)
[06:54] <rapha_> Okay. Bug posting time now. These sound issues are driving me crazy.
[06:54] <slept> mina_linux_Tux : man memtester
[06:54] <sianis> ther isn't mode to don't see the ok ok ok ok ? :D
[06:55] <viZion2> rapha_: didnt find a solution?
[06:55] <sianis> so i don't want to close my eyes :)
[06:55] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: shouldn't that be /dev/hda?
[06:55] <rapha_> viZion2: As I said, even recompiling didn't help
[06:55] <RiMMER> doesn't work either
[06:55] <viZion2> weird
[06:55] <will> im getting out of sync problems in hoary with any media player starts of okay, then deterioates. wht is going on?
[06:55] <RiMMER> I just dont' know which to mount
[06:55] <viZion2> hoary = ARGH!? :P
[06:55] <RiMMER> there are hda1/2/3/4/5
[06:56] <mina_linux_Tux> slept: i said no manual entry for memtest nor memtester
[06:56] <rapha_> viZion2: Kind of like that, yes.
[06:56] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: use Nautilus and go to your File System
[06:56] <goldfish_> oh dear
[06:56] <RiMMER> I'm there
[06:56] <goldfish_> my hard disk is sounding bad :/
[06:56] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: see anything?
[06:56] <rapha_> Btw, why isn't there a bootsplash in Array 7 ... Hoary was meant to get one!
[06:56] <rapha_> crimsun: Are you still around?
[06:57] <RiMMER> yes folders :) many of them
[06:57] <RiMMER> Couldn't display "/dev/hda".
[06:57] <RiMMER> There was an error launching the application.
[06:57] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: hehehe...  your win partition should be there
[06:57] <RiMMER> what if I can't open it ;o
[06:57] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: haven't done it in Ubuntu (since I don't have win partition) but how about right clicking it and mounting?
[06:58] <slept> mina_linux_Tux : there is i just enterd it
[06:58] <Rene_S> oops
[06:58] <Rene_S> sorry wrong channel window
[06:58] <GnuKemist> slept: could you paste the exact command here for mina_linux_Tux ?
[06:58] <RiMMER> there is RED cross X on the icon of hda
[06:58] <RiMMER> why?
[06:59] <slept> don't know, don't want to read the whole doc
[06:59] <RiMMER> can somebody try it through VNC or something? :o
[06:59] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: maybe you don't have Fat or NTFS enabled?
[06:59] <slept> i can pate it in #flood
[06:59] <RiMMER> where can I enable it ?
[06:59] <ad-> hello
[06:59] <GnuKemist> RiMMER: I've only done it in the kernel
[06:59] <dabi> does anyone know the minium requirements of ubuntu hoary server?
[06:59] <ad-> having a point to point connection
[06:59] <ad-> win linux
[06:59] <goldfish_> RiMMER: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat
[07:00] <GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: can you check #flood for the command?
[07:00] <ad-> both computers have an ip
[07:00] <kent> slept, you "dont want to read the whole doc"?  But you can ask other to help you? ;)
[07:00] <ad-> still i do not suceed to make them connect
[07:00] <hempen> how do i open a terminal from the command line?
[07:00] <GnuKemist> hempen: try xterm &
[07:00] <kent> hempen, or gnome-terminal &
[07:00] <hempen> Cheers GnuKemist
[07:01] <GnuKemist> well, lunch is over for me
[07:01] <GnuKemist> hempen: any time
[07:01] <hempen> Cheers kent
[07:01] <Spooks> Hurrah, XMMS installed
[07:01] <sianis> where i can setup the bootable appllication list?
[07:01] <sianis> pld: cups stb
[07:01] <dabi> what are the minimum requirements of ubuntu hoary server?
[07:01] <mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemist: what's #flood
[07:02] <goldfish_> mina_linux_Tux: a channel for pasting large amounts of text
[07:02] <viZion2> rapha_: posted the bugreport yet?
[07:03] <slept> mina_linux_Tux : a channel you can join , if you go there I can paste it again
[07:04] <keffo> anyone been playing football manager 2005 under linux?
[07:04] <slept> kent : there is a difference between helping people with things you know and starting to read documentation about things you never thought of
[07:04] <rapha_> viZion2: No, I'm reading through the existing ones right now. One suggest to try to boot with `noapic' which I'm gonna do now.
[07:04] <CarinArr> eureka! *reads README.alps* heh
[07:04] <viZion2> ok:)
[07:05] <kent> slept, ah, ok. sorry, i thought you was the one asking for help and not the other way around :(
[07:08] <slept> mina_linux_Tux: are you sure there is no manpage, dpkg -L memtester
[07:08] <maxchee> does anyone know an option to force nautilus to refresh after deletion etc.
[07:09] <dabi> minimum requirements of ubuntu hoary server?
[07:09] <mina_linux_Tux> slept: i tried to : man memtester got no manual entry for memtester ..
[07:10] <slept> mina_linux_Tux: you can paste from #flood into a text file
[07:10] <_BIJ_> hi i've got a windows installation on my other partition... how can i access my windows files... if i try to mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda1 i get a :"error no mount point" message...???
[07:10] <maxchee> _BIJ_: you need to edit /etc/fstab
[07:10] <mjr> you need to create /mnt/hda1 first
[07:10] <httpdss> creat the folder !!
[07:11] <Myrtti> ahhh, I'll take a screenshot of this historical moment
[07:11] <_BIJ_> so i'll create it with mkdir
[07:11] <_BIJ_> ?
[07:11] <maxchee> _BIJ_: yes
[07:11] <_BIJ_> ok done
[07:11] <maxchee> _BIJ_: try the same command
[07:11] <maxchee> _BIJ_: fstab will allow you to mount automatically
[07:12] <_BIJ_> nice!
[07:12] <kent> maxchee, I dont know of an option, but ctrl+r refreshes.  I have a problem with the desktop not updating when downloading files etc, which ctrl+r solves for now.
[07:12] <_BIJ_> ok how do i have to edit the fstab?
[07:13] <maxchee> kent: I am really annoyed by this since win2k has exactly the same behaviour.
[07:13] <garrut> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[07:13] <_BIJ_> ok what do i have to change in fstab?
[07:13] <maxchee> _BIJ_: or sudo pico /etc/fstab
[07:13] <maxchee> _BIJ_: pico is easier to use
[07:13] <httpdss> is there any gnome integration for cvs like tortoisecvs ??
[07:13] <Stuttergart> So the install media for Hoary doesn't work with my PowerEdge 1850's PERC controller.
[07:13] <kent> maxchee, have you posted a bug about it in bugzilla.ubuntu.com?  That will help most of the times.
[07:13] <Stuttergart> Should I report that as a bug in bugzilla or....?
[07:14] <maxchee> httpdss: apt-cache search cvs
[07:14] <maxchee> kent: I think I should
[07:14] <no0tic> how can I add Trash icon on desktop?
[07:14] <slept> _BiJ: add a line with /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 auto defaults,auto  0 0 ; joe is a nice editor
[07:14] <garrut> _BIJ_: something like /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 vfat defaults 0 0
[07:14] <maxchee> Stuttergart: I believe automount for now only works with common media types
[07:14] <garrut> oops, too late
[07:15] <_BIJ_> ok i'll do this...
[07:15] <httpdss> maxchee: i know there are tools for cvs, im looking to something similar to what tortoisecvs does with folder in windoz
[07:15] <Myrtti> warning, a large-ish screenshot: http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/guesswhat.png
[07:15] <kent> maxchee, its one of the things i always forgets to file a bug about.  :(  And now im away from my computer so I cant do it, since it feels bad to post a bugreport and not being able to give examples of how to reproduce it :(
[07:15] <dabi> will i be able to install hoarty as server on 2g hd?
[07:16] <cusco> re
[07:16] <slept> dabi : as server for what ?
[07:16] <_BIJ_> will the windows partitions now automount?
[07:16] <maxchee> _BIJ_: this is what I use: /dev/hda5       /files          vfat    gid=100,umask=00770        0       0
[07:16] <CarlK_> dabi - yes
[07:16] <CarlK_> dabi - the "server install"needs
[07:16] <viZion2> rapha are you back?
[07:16] <maxchee> gid and umask will provide you with write access to your windows drive
[07:16] <_BIJ_> maxchee, windows xp has ntfs filesystem... so i'll have to change this right?
[07:17] <CarlK_> dabi - the "server install" needs 350 meg, and 50 gets returned to you when the intall is done.
[07:17] <maxchee> _BIJ_: are you trying to mount ntfs?
[07:17] <_BIJ_> yes...
[07:17] <maxchee> _BIJ_: then the problem is a bit more complex
[07:17] <httpdss> _BIJ_: winXp can also use fat32
[07:17] <maxchee> _BIJ_: fat32 is easier
[07:17] <cusco> I have this mouse... which connects to an adaptor which translates to usb.. into the computer
[07:17] <slept> _BiJ_ : don't write on ntfs
[07:17] <cusco> I disconected it and now I connected it
[07:17] <maxchee> _BIJ_: to write to ntfs, you need captive ntfs
[07:17] <cusco> and it doesn't moove
[07:17] <cusco> any hints please?
[07:18] <maxchee> cusco: restart?
[07:18] <cusco> besides that...
[07:18] <maxchee> cusco: or ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:18] <maxchee> and startx
[07:18] <cusco> oh..
[07:18] <CarlK_> cusco - lsusb
[07:18] <CarlK_> see if your mouse is even listed
[07:19] <slept> _BiJ_ : just change type tp ntfs and add an default,ro to fstab
[07:19] <maxchee> cusco: you can use the keyboard to save the file
[07:19] <viZion2> slept i got sound :D
[07:19] <slept> viZio2: still TV?
[07:19] <cusco> CarlK_: im not sure
[07:19] <larsl> Hello, what source do I need to add to install WindowMaker?
[07:19] <cusco> maxchee: I have a toutch pad that works is not a problem
[07:19] <maxchee> larsl: universe?
[07:20] <viZion2> no
[07:20] <cusco> ok restart x...
[07:20] <_BIJ_> ok i'll try
[07:20] <viZion2> seems that in the warty -> hoary, in the Alsamixer, it changes automaticly to only digital output
[07:21] <supos> Does anyone know how to edit the application menu in Hoary?
[07:21] <maxchee> cusco: try the wiki
[07:21] <_BIJ_> slept, do i have to reboot in order to see the drive automounted?
[07:21] <maxchee> cusco: someone on the forum provided a simple menu editor in python
[07:22] <maxchee> _BIJ_: well, yes. But you can mount it now by using mount /mnt/hda1
[07:22] <slept> _BiJ_: make sure you don't have it allready mounted , then just mount -a
[07:22] <[FiDO] > I don't think you can in hoary
[07:22] <supos> maxchee: I assume that was for me, and in that case thanks
[07:22] <larsl> maxchee: No, that doesn't work either.
[07:22] <[FiDO] > at least not the conventional way
[07:23] <maxchee> larsl: multiverse?
[07:23] <_BIJ_> slept, it is mounted at the moment...
[07:23] <slept> _BiJ_: umount it , then mount -a
[07:23] <larsl> But surely windowmaker is "free"?
[07:23] <_BIJ_> kk
[07:23] <maxchee> larsl: it's a gnu project
[07:24] <maxchee> larsl: I believe part of gnustep
[07:24] <slept> larsl: its in universe , its called wmaker
[07:24] <_BIJ_> slept, nice it works...
[07:24] <larsl> slept: Doh. Thanks.
[07:25] <desrt> is there any way to change the default attributes that a hotplugged vfat filesystem gets mounted with?
[07:26] <slept> what is ubuntu server ?
[07:26] <maxchee> desrt: sudo pico /etc/fstab
[07:26] <desrt> maxchee; hotplug.
[07:26] <maxchee> desrt: are you talking about flash drives?
[07:26] <desrt> yes.
[07:26] <slept> desrt: mount  --remount  -o ....
[07:26] <_BIJ_> slept, hm one question again... i can only access the mounted device as user root... if i try to chmod /mnt/hda1 i get:chmod: changing permissions of `hda1/': Read-only file system
[07:27] <desrt> slept; change the defaults
[07:27] <desrt> like is there a pmount config file or something?
[07:27] <_BIJ_> how can i set the permissions, that normal users can access?
[07:28] <desrt> nm.  this is actually pretty dumb.  it needs a bug filed about it :)
[07:28] <maxchee> _BIJ_: edit fstab and instead of change defaults to gid=100,umask=770
[07:28] <desrt> the default behaviour is not sane
[07:28] <slept> _BIJ_ : add  ,user to the options in fstab
[07:28] <_BIJ_> for user the username?
[07:29] <slept> _BIJ_: no, thats the option defaults,ro,user
[07:29] <_BIJ_> kk
[07:29] <viZion2> rapha
[07:29] <viZion2> i got sound!
[07:30] <[FiDO] > has anyone tried kubuntu.... opinions good or bad ?
[07:30] <crimsun> rapha_: yes?
[07:30] <[FiDO] > and does it alter gnome in any way
[07:30] <viZion2> rapha_: its working :D
[07:30] <maxchee> _BIJ_: edit fstab and instead of change defaults to gid=100,umask=00770
[07:30] <Riddell> [FiDO] : it's very good in my humble opinion
[07:31] <[FiDO] > does add anything to the gnome menus
[07:31] <slept> [FiDO] : it's worth a try , kde 3.4 looks really nice
[07:31] <[FiDO] > cool my only concern is someone said it adds kde stuff to your gnome menus is there any truth to that
[07:32] <[FiDO] > I love gnome's simplicity I just want to try out kde
[07:32] <pv_> It adds KDE applications in the correct submenus, but no other clutter.
[07:32] <[FiDO] > ok that's cool I didn't know you could run kde applications from gnome
[07:33] <maxchee> [FiDO] : my opinion: excellent, just make sure you install debfoster before hand
[07:33] <[FiDO] > what does that do
[07:34] <maxchee> [FiDO] : this is used to remove ubuntu-desktop/kubuntu-desktop in case you find one of them very nice and decide to remove the other
[07:34] <rapha_> crimsun: It isn't working :-D
[07:34] <rapha_> viZion2: What did you do?
[07:34] <rwabel> hi
[07:34] <[FiDO] > sounds like a good plan
[07:34] <maxchee> [FiDO] : when you use debfoster to remove packages, it removes every orphaned dependancies completely
[07:34] <[FiDO] > nice
[07:34] <rwabel> I've some problems with my locales. can someone help me to fix that?
[07:34] <rwabel> Unpacking replacement groff-base ...
[07:34] <rwabel> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:34] <rwabel> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:34] <rwabel>         LANGUAGE = "en_US.UTF-8",
[07:34] <rwabel>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:34] <rwabel>         LANG = "de_CH@euro"
[07:34] <rwabel>     are supported and installed on your system.
[07:34] <maxchee> [FiDO] : it also requires less typing compared to apt-get
[07:35] <_BIJ_> ok guys... now the automount works perfectly! thank you all!
[07:35] <stazz> hey.. is there a listing of ubuntu packages and versions somewhere?
[07:35] <[FiDO] > well you learn something new everyday thanks for the help guys I'm going to try out kubuntu
[07:35] <difeta> hey all! I'm trying to get GL support in X. I've installed the nvidia-glx driver and the restrictred kernel modiules. I have X all configured and the nvidia module loaded, but all 3d applications just seg fault on load. Any ideas?
[07:36] <slept> difeta: glxinfo
[07:38] <difeta> well.. glxinfo seg faults too. to whoever is interested
[07:38] <zenrox> difeta,  re install the 7176 drivers
[07:39] <difeta> zenrox, i dont have 7176 drivers. they are 6629
[07:39] <snetx10> hey, i'm running the ubuntu live cd, and i have two monitors set up. currently both monitors are working, but right now both monitors display the same thing... how do i have it set up so that each monitor displays it's own data (if i explained that in a way that makes sence)
[07:39] <zenrox> difeta,  have you read www.ubuntuguide.org/#nvidia
[07:40] <stazz> can one browse ubuntu package repositories somewhere?
[07:40] <^thehatsrule^> nvidia twinview?
[07:40] <^thehatsrule^> stazz, synaptic?
[07:40] <stazz> ^thehatsrule^: without ubuntu? :)
[07:40] <^thehatsrule^> lol... check the ftp i suppose
[07:40] <stazz> address?
[07:40] <difeta> zenrox, no i havent, ill try it out
[07:40] <^thehatsrule^> for debian its like ftp.debian.org i think
[07:41] <stazz> and for ubuntu?
[07:41] <^thehatsrule^> dont remember ;p
[07:41] <stazz> could you check your sources.list ?
[07:41] <stazz> as in cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <^thehatsrule^> im not on it right now, sorry
[07:41] <snetx10> anyone know how i can solve my problem?
[07:41] <^thehatsrule^> pretty sure itll be on forums too :P
[07:41] <^thehatsrule^> snetx10... nvidia? try twinview...
[07:42] <snetx10> thehatsrule: sudo apt-get install twinview ?
[07:42] <^thehatsrule^> doubt it :P
[07:42] <dabi> i want a program what shows me a popup window what shows if someone connects to me at some port and shows me details of the connection like ip port and when the connection goes off, is there any app? gkrellm shows.. but i want to have a popup nad more details
[07:42] <stazz> snetx10: no, you have to adjust your xorg.conf
[07:42] <difeta> zenrox, Yeah, I cant do the nvidia guide from the site. The nvidia-settings program seg faults
[07:42] <zenrox> or goto #nvidia
[07:42] <^thehatsrule^> dont use it myself, but its prolly in the driver package
[07:42] <stazz> snetx10: the Nvidia readme describes it quite well
[07:43] <zenrox> difeta,  reboot
[07:43] <rapha_> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6303
[07:43] <difeta> zenrox, ahh... serious. brb
[07:43] <snetx10> stazz: sorry i'm new to linux.. where would i find the readme
[07:43] <djp> anyone know if it is possible to edit genre, artist, album etc. in rhythmbox?
[07:43] <stazz> snetx10: /usr/doc/nvidia-something would be a good start
[07:44] <snetx10> i'm running an ATI video card.. so that's not nvidia
[07:45] <M_Fatih> i want to change my computers boot like ubuntu live cd.. i changed grub's image. but, how can i change the booting process to graphical progressbar
[07:45] <stazz> snetx10: ah well.. with ati.. xinerama is the case I believe
[07:45] <Funraiser> hola!
[07:45] <difeta> zenrox, ok.. rebooted, and no change
[07:45] <M_Fatih> in grub menu, how can i modify this menu linux ubuntu live cd's grub menu, or suse's grub menu?
[07:46] <zenrox> difeta,  hmm ask in #nvidia
[07:46] <snetx10> stazz: thanks.. where would i find the X86Config file?
[07:46] <stazz> snetx10: www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/
[07:47] <^thehatsrule^> if using xfree86, its prolly in /etc/X11/X86Config-4
[07:47] <Roey> I tried to install a new kernel by building it, then running 'mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5  ;  grub-update'.  Then I tried selecting it from the menu on bootup.  It complains about a 'pivot_error:  no such file' and that it "can't open /dev/console" or something like that.
[07:47] <snetx10> stazz: thanks alot
[07:49] <garrut> xinerama and twinview are not the same thing
[07:51] <tom_neo> hey
[07:51] <M_Fatih> heey
[07:51] <M_Fatih> :P
[07:52] <tom_neo> i heared root is deactivated on default. if i'd reactivate it ubuntu is useable such as debian or will reactivating of root cause some problems?
[07:53] <stazz> tom_neo: it won't cause any problems, but your system will be "less secure"
[07:53] <zenrox> tom_neo,  no prulmub
[07:53] <zenrox> problum
[07:53] <tom_neo> stazz: well i don't see any real security lack, except preventing n00bs from surving with root or sth like that
[07:55] <tom_neo> btw would you say ubuntu is only for n00bs or will it be interesting for people with know-how, too?
[07:55] <Fackamato> ubuntu is definitly not for beginners
[07:55] <tom_neo> not? thought so
[07:55] <garrut> Fackamato: why not?
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> why not?
[07:56] <Funraiser> thought so too
[07:56] <Rocco> how can i list all available accesspoints?
[07:57] <stazz> tom_neo: if you really want the challenge, go for gentoo..  :)
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> It all depends on what you've begun on. Wasn't too long ago people made due with DOS.
[07:57] <tom_neo> stazz: heh
[07:57] <tom_neo> stazz: i can't really get a friend of compiling every trash
[07:57] <Fackamato> tom_neo, garrut: because a beginner doesn't know shit about apt or drivers or anything
[07:58] <Fackamato> and thus he'll complain about things not workinbg
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> I'm one of those people that think not everything should be made for beginners though - Airplanes and nuclear power plants aren't for beginners either.
[07:58] <Fackamato> and he'll complain about having no 3d acceleration
[07:58] <M_Fatih> stazz, :) i'm came from gentoo, gentoo to ubuntu.. :)
[07:58] <Fackamato> so no, ubuntu is not for the 15 year old cs playing windows-noob
[07:58] <tom_neo> LeeJunFan: well but an operating system is normally used by people not by professionals
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> So are guns - but it doesn't make it right. :)
[07:58] <tom_neo> M_Fatih: what you like more?
[07:59] <M_Fatih> yeeppp
[07:59] <M_Fatih> so much..
[07:59] <M_Fatih> i love ubuntu
[07:59] <tom_neo> well ok.
[07:59] <garrut> well they should read howto's like all beginners should, and they can use synaptic, so they don't even have to know what apt is
[07:59] <PacoBCN> and Ubuntu loves you
[07:59] <dabi> is there any firewall with gui?
[07:59] <M_Fatih> gentoo is very good, you have too many chance.. but it so hard..
[07:59] <tom_neo> at the moment i use fedora core - but i wanna try sth new based on debian apt
[07:59] <PacoBCN> dabi, firestarter is what you're looking for
[08:00] <tom_neo> M_Fatih: well at the moment i don't have time to fight with my system, too -> so sth that just works will be ok
[08:00] <Fackamato> garrut: that's the wrong way to do it
[08:00] <Fackamato> if you learn everything by gui
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> I just came from mandrake yesterday. I'm liking the fact that ubuntu isn't for beginners, all that extra beginner junk in mandrake is what drove me away. Too much branding and automated stuff.
[08:00] <Fackamato> you have nothing to fall back on
[08:00] <Fackamato> if X wouldn't start, you would be braindead
[08:00] <M_Fatih> if you use gentoo, u must have so much times for compiling. debian is fast 4 package management..
[08:00] <M_Fatih> tom_neo, :) use debian..
[08:01] <stazz> M_Fatih: yes, it's a jigsaw puzzle to maintain..
[08:01] <M_Fatih> ubuntu easy way to debian.. i like so much..
[08:01] <tom_neo> mhh.. well as ubuntu is based on debian why should debian still have an advantage?
[08:01] <garrut> Fackamato: so your saying ubuntu isn't for beginners because it's to easy?
[08:02] <viZion2> bye all
[08:02] <Fackamato> garrut: kinda, yes
[08:02] <tom_neo> !damn cdrecord I/O error
[08:02] <Fackamato> I mean, if you run into trouble, you could get stuck
[08:02] <Fackamato> so you should have some console knowledge
[08:02] <garrut> yeah ok, then i igree :)
[08:03] <mrquick> hey guys, if a package description is incorrect on the ubuntu website, who does one talk to about getting it changed?
[08:04] <mrquick> seems too trivial for a bug report
[08:05] <tom_neo> mailinglist?
[08:05] <tom_neo> from the package maintainer?
[08:05] <mrquick> I talked to the package maintainer, he seemed to be involved in several projects and had no idea why it was listed as it was
[08:05] <revealed> is debfoster obolote when using synaptic?
[08:06] <mrquick> I guess I can bear the responsibility of joing yet another mailing list :-P
[08:06] <newbiecp> Hello, i tried useradd or userdel and i get this:   useradd: unable to lock password file    what is wrong and how i fix it ???
[08:06] <tom_neo> sudo useradd?
[08:07] <cusco> Im having troubles to find a nice irssi theme that goes on top of blue and white
[08:07] <Ins|de> hi there, does anyone is having problems with ALSA ?
[08:07] <newbiecp> im root
[08:07] <newbiecp> no sudo
[08:07] <cusco> lol
[08:08] <tom_neo> you got root by "su -" ?
[08:08] <cusco> newbiecp: type adduser
[08:08] <newbiecp> no real root
[08:08] <cusco> tom_neo: there is a root terminal on aplications -system tools
[08:08] <newbiecp> direct
[08:08] <tom_neo> cusco: k
[08:08] <cusco> or he can just use another tty
[08:08] <cusco> err
[08:08] <cusco> I mean
[08:08] <cusco> from that root terminal you can just passwd
[08:09] <cusco> and set a root password
[08:10] <zenrox> easy way sudo passwd root
[08:10] <Funraiser> I had a dream: all the distros joined forces to create a single Linux distribution...
[08:10] <zenrox> enter user password
[08:10] <zenrox> then type in root pass
[08:10] <tom_neo> Funraiser: no good
[08:10] <zenrox> then su  and root pass
[08:10] <tom_neo> Funraiser: about 3 or 4 would be ok
[08:10] <Funraiser> joining forces is not good now?
[08:10] <knewt> anyone know a typical initial response time to bug reports?
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> should kde 3.4 bugs from kubuntu be filed on the ubuntu bugtracker?
[08:11] <Funraiser> it's sad that there are so many distros
[08:11] <tom_neo> knewt: depends on type of bug
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> tom_neo: kde specific ones.
[08:11] <tom_neo> mhh?
[08:11] <knewt> tom_neo: firefox bug. is assigned to thom may
[08:12] <tom_neo> i meant how security relevated
[08:12] <Ins|de> what package provides alsaconf on hoary ??
[08:12] <snetx10> if i have made changes to my xorg.conf file and i am running a ubuntu livecd, how can i shut down the current windowing system, and restart it so that i now get my new settings applied?
[08:12] <zenrox> Ins|de,  the devel package of alsa
[08:12] <tom_neo> snetx10: strg+alt+backspace?
[08:12] <LeeJunFan> tom_neo: not - regular bugs in kde such as thumbnail creation brokenness, etc...
[08:12] <snetx10> strg?
[08:13] <tom_neo> mhh no idea *smile*
[08:13] <tom_neo> snetx10: crtl
[08:13] <tom_neo> sorry on a german keyboard it's strg ;-)
[08:13] <tom_neo> lol
[08:13] <tom_neo> seemed to work
[08:14] <VivekVC> I am using an IntelD845GLLY Motherboard and i am not able to get sound up on warty warthog.
[08:15] <cusco> ok
[08:15] <cusco> I thing I found a good one
[08:15] <djp> djp: answer to your question regards rhythmbox and missing id tags, use easytag to edit your mp3, ogg vorbis files!
[08:15] <Ins|de> zenrox, what is the name of alsa devel package??
[08:15] <larsl> I've just installed WindowMaker, and every time I use Alt-Tab to change window the window manager restarts. Any idea how to fix that?
[08:16] <VivekVC> lscpi gives me the output ac 97 for the audio controller.
[08:16] <cusco> lol
[08:17] <zenrox> Ins|de,  do a search for alsa and look for one that matches the ver that is installed that has a -dev on it
[08:17] <larsl> Is no one using WindowMaker on Ubuntu?
[08:17] <zenrox> Ins|de,  in snyaptic
[08:17] <Ins|de> okay
[08:17] <unkwn> anyone know anything about this error: gtranscode:
[08:17] <unkwn>  Depends: transcode  but it is not installable
[08:17] <Ins|de> i tries apt-cahe
[08:17] <Ins|de> but i didnt find
[08:18] <land0n> wow, this channel is heavily populated
[08:18] <dabi> is there any firewall with gui? or some program what shows list of all connections and i can block them
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> land0n: Kind of says something :)
[08:18] <land0n> dabi: firestarter?
[08:19] <land0n> LeeJunFan: heh ;) It's my first time here, so I'll just sit back and watch the traffic
[08:20] <DarthFrog> land0n: Welcome
[08:20] <zenrox> land0n,  welcome
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[08:21] <zyv> hi everyone !!!
[08:21] <zyv> hi everyone !!!
[08:22] <zenrox> zyv,  hello
[08:22] <zyv> someone can help me to getin'work a voodoo2 under my brand new ubuntu ?
[08:22] <^thehatsrule^> whoa! 3dfx!
[08:22] <zyv> hi zenrox, sorry for repetition
[08:22] <^thehatsrule^> long time no hear ;p
[08:22] <zyv> yeah ^thehatsrule^
[08:22] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[08:22] <kaouete> at a time it was the best :)
[08:22] <^thehatsrule^> dual voodoo2's?
[08:22] <zyv> spain it's 3 world ^thehatsrule^
[08:23] <^thehatsrule^> heh...
[08:23] <zyv> but my home it's 4 world about pc's !
[08:23] <^thehatsrule^> O.o
[08:23] <zyv> yes kaouete, i still using it for quake2
[08:23] <zyv> rules ;D
[08:23] <^thehatsrule^> 16mb?
[08:23] <zyv> 12 !
[08:23] <kaouete> hehe
[08:24] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:24] <zenrox> lol
[08:24] <^thehatsrule^> you can play quake3 too
[08:24] <tom_neo> mhh... cdrecord is stuck. killall -9 cdrecord doesn't help. any suggestions`? ;)
[08:24] <zyv> but i can't make it work again !
[08:24] <^thehatsrule^> i still can play my quake3 on my 8mb card :)
[08:24] <zyv> yeah ^thehatsrule^ but not in a Pentium 200
[08:24] <land0n> does anybody know why I can't apt-get kde while using hoary-array7?
[08:24] <^thehatsrule^> and even intel 2mb integrated :P
[08:24] <Riddell> land0n: probably broken dependencies, try kubuntu-desktop
[08:24] <land0n> is it because ubuntu is gnome-centric?
[08:24] <^thehatsrule^> zyv: i used a 333mhz :/
[08:25] <Riddell> land0n: it's because we havn't made all the KDE 3.4 packages yet
[08:25] <zyv> i've heard about a kubuntu, isnt?
[08:25] <zenrox> quake 3 rocks on a fx5200 128mbs ddr pci card
[08:25] <zyv> i feel better then ^thehatsrule^ ;D
[08:25] <land0n> zyv: I've heard about it too
[08:25] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:25] <larsl> If I want to change an Ubuntu installation to normal Debian, do I just need to change the dpkg sources and update?
[08:25] <^thehatsrule^> zenrox... it wont use the dx9 features tho :P
[08:25] <zyv> i dont know exactly if kubuntu it's realeased yet land0n
[08:25] <akk> Are there known issues with enabling ethernet cards?
[08:26] <zenrox> ya but its fast as heack
[08:26] <admin0> i have that card zenrox :)
[08:26] <CarinArr> right.. i have an alps touchpad, and it automatically uses the synaptics driver, however, i can't seem to disable it. When looking through the docs it mentions that alps hardware doesn't work properly without applying a kernel patch.. it gives me the patch file to run but i'm not sure how to run it.. have never done kernel patching before
[08:26] <land0n> Riddell: I'm not at my box atm. Will kubuntu-desktop produce v3.4 packages?
[08:26] <Riddell> land0n: yes
[08:26] <zyv> so .... someone can help me to getin'work a voodoo2 under my brand new ubuntu ?
[08:26] <larsl> akk: The installer wouldn't autoconfigure my card because my ISPs DHCP server is too slow. =P
[08:26] <akk> I have a really generic card, but my new hoary install doesn't see it; lspci sees it but the Device Manager says "Device: Unknown" for my LNE100RTX
[08:26] <land0n> Riddell: alright
[08:26] <admin0> ut2004, farcry, ms flight simulator and prince - sands of time rocks
[08:26] <^thehatsrule^> considering it came from 1998... anything from 16mb vram is nice
[08:26] <CarinArr> so could anyone possibly help me or give me a hint of where to find more info about it
[08:26] <akk> I should be on a static IP anyway, not DHCP, but the hoary installer didn't bother to ask me that.
[08:26] <Nermal> CarinArr: install the kernel source
[08:26] <zenrox> admin0,  so does nwn gold and et ,etf homeworld , and plaeshift
[08:26] <Nermal> usually cd to /usr/src
[08:27] <zenrox> plainshift
[08:27] <^thehatsrule^> dhcp is easier to set up
[08:27] <Nermal> and then do patch -p0 </path/to/patch
[08:27] <akk> But it's not obvious how to change it later: it seems like there's no ethernet support in the kernel (dmesg didn't mention the card while booting).
[08:27] <^thehatsrule^> zenrox... you play wolfet?
[08:27] <zenrox> ^thehatsrule^, yep
[08:27] <^thehatsrule^> :D
[08:27] <Nermal> akk: probably an irq problem
[08:27] <^thehatsrule^> wanna play a bit now?
[08:28] <zenrox> ^thehatsrule^, i suck badly
[08:28] <CarinArr> okay, thanks nermal
[08:28] <^thehatsrule^> zenrox, lol in which?
[08:28] <land0n> are any of you guys using a wireless pcmcia? How'd y'all get it configured?
[08:28] <akk> I don't see any irq complaints in dmesg ...
[08:28] <Nermal> CarinArr: the -p value is the number of lines to skip at the beginning of the patch file.. usually 0
[08:28] <Nermal> akk: cat /proc/interrupts
[08:28] <zenrox> ^thehatsrule^, in any of the fps's
[08:29] <Nermal> lspci show the card ?
[08:29] <^thehatsrule^> zenrox, lol dont matter, as long as its fun :>
[08:29] <land0n> nope
[08:29] <^thehatsrule^> i vary... in playing a lot tho
[08:29] <zenrox> ^thehatsrule^,  quake3
[08:29] <zenrox> then
[08:29] <zenrox> thats my fav
[08:30] <^thehatsrule^> hehe, i only play that on meh lans now
[08:31] <akk> Nermal: No eth0 mentioned in /proc/interrupts (but that's not surprising since the kernel isn't doing anything with the card)
[08:31] <akk> Nermal: What else should I look for there?
[08:31] <zenrox> we need a quake3 ubuntu server
[08:31] <akk> Nermal: irq9, which has the eth0 on this laptop, is acpi on the ubuntu desktop machine.
[08:32] <tom_neo> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/308.html
[08:32] <akk> (might be an acpi problem?  This machine has a pretty old acpi implementation)
[08:33] <larsl> Is anyone running WindowMaker on Hoary here?
[08:33] <Lethargy> lan pi WhoCaReS :P
[08:33] <WhoCaReS> who can help me? A funny problem I have....
[08:33] <WhoCaReS> ???
[08:33] <Lethargy> hahah
[08:34] <WhoCaReS> ?
[08:34] <Lethargy> nm
[08:35] <Nermal> akk: try booting with pci=noacpi ?
[08:35] <zane> Hello guys...
[08:35] <Nermal> and maybe noapic
[08:36] <zane> whats the easiest way to install rpms or debian packages in ubuntu? i tried kynoptics but it doesnt seem to work too well
[08:36] <WhoCaReS> I boot my cd and fallow the ins. step by step...but at the cd-rom check, it does not detects my cd rom
[08:37] <akk> Ooh, I think I may be booting the wrong kernel.
[08:37] <kagou> hi
[08:37] <akk> This might be an artifact of the /boot getting destroyed by the first install attempt.
[08:37] <WhoCaReS> wrong kernel?
[08:37] <Echylo> zane, dpkg ?
[08:37] <WhoCaReS> what must be the kernel?
[08:37] <Echylo> zane, sudo dpkg -i namepackage.deb
[08:38] <Echylo> I guess
[08:38] <Echylo> :p
[08:38] <zane> thanx echylo.. will this work for both rpms and deb?
[08:39] <Echylo> why should you install rpms in a debian based distro?
[08:39] <zane> i was trying to install opera browser but just wouldnt work.. suse has yast which used to work fine with rpms
[08:39] <akk> ... and I think the answer is, I don't have ubuntu's kernel there at all.  2.6.10-4-386 is the newest one there.
[08:39] <Echylo> zane, ubuntu is debian based, so uses .deb files, no rpm's
[08:39] <zane> cuz i am new to linux and rpms are easier than compiling manually
[08:39] <Echylo> yes
[08:39] <zane> oh i see..
[08:40] <akk> I think someone yesterday said hoary should be running 10-somenumberlargerthan4
[08:40] <Echylo> btw :)
[08:40] <Echylo> zane, sudo apt-get install opera
[08:40] <Echylo> will install it auto ;)
[08:40] <zane> i tried.. didnt work
[08:40] <Echylo> ok
[08:40] <Echylo> next step :p
[08:40] <zane> it said package not found
[08:40] <Echylo> have you activated universe?
[08:40] <Echylo> or do you know what I am talking about,
[08:41] <zane> whats a universe? :-(
[08:41] <Echylo> ok ;)
[08:41] <Gecko> Is there a specific amd64 channel for Ubuntu, or is it all in here?
[08:41] <jason> zane: you dont want opera it is non free
[08:41] <zane> but its free if u download off their website
[08:41] <sylvesterxxl> hi
[08:41] <nubbe> zane, check out ubuntuguide.org/
[08:41] <Echylo> jason, let me explain him first how to activate universe ;)
[08:41] <jason> no it is not
[08:42] <Echylo> or better
[08:42] <sylvesterxxl> about ubuntu
[08:42] <zane> oh ok..
[08:42] <Echylo> zane, read whole http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:42] <Echylo> it has alot of 'how to's"
[08:42] <Echylo> including the universe thing ;)
[08:42] <_linux_newb_> may i ask what the purpose of Kubuntu when all you have to do is apt-get kde?
[08:42] <sylvesterxxl> im new in linux does ubuntu need antivirus or firewall?
[08:42] <zane> thanx echylo..
[08:43] <Echylo> no problem
[08:43] <_linux_newb_> firewall yes, anitvirus really no
[08:43] <jason> sylvesterxxl: firewall no as no services are running by delltony
[08:43] <jason> default
[08:43] <Echylo> within 4 days you are helping people yourself :p
[08:43] <sylvesterxxl> how is it that it doesnt need antivirus?
[08:43] <Echylo> lack of virusses sylvesterxxl
[08:44] <Riddell> _linux_newb_: what's the purpose of ubuntu when all you have to do is apt-get install gnome
[08:44] <Spooks> Most viruses are written for windows
[08:44] <sylvesterxxl> jejeje
[08:44] <Gecko> sylvesterxxl, because 99% of all vira are made for windows
[08:44] <sylvesterxxl> jejeje
[08:44] <sylvesterxxl> yupiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[08:44] <jason> you could run some viruses with wine i suppose
[08:44] <Echylo> lol
[08:44] <akk> WhoCaReS: I had a cdrom detection problem too: it turned out my cdrom was bad.
[08:44] <Echylo> with which sense jason ?
[08:44] <akk> WhoCaReS: It worked in one of my drives, but not in the one I was booting from.
[08:44] <Gecko> yes, but you'd had to do it delibaretly
[08:44] <Spooks> BRB: Gonna run some viruses with wine
[08:44] <akk> WhoCaReS: The error message didn't tell me that, it implied that it couldn't find any CDROM drive.
[08:45] <_linux_newb_> running winows vuri in wine is interesting
[08:45] <jason> lol
[08:45] <miguez> hey guys, nice to meet all, been running ubuntu for the past two days, got Anjuta working today, after adding some missing libs, now trying to code in OpenGL, wanting to make sure of what I need, as far as libs
[08:45] <Rocco> hi
[08:45] <miguez> for example, does Mesa come with Ubuntu?
[08:45] <akk> WhoCaReS: I burned another CD from a different machine, and the problem went away.
[08:45] <Nermal> miguez: surely aptitude search mesa would tell you that
[08:45] <miguez> tried that
[08:45] <jason> there is anti virus for linux, check out clamAV
[08:46] <Nermal> miguez: so you have your answer
[08:46] <miguez> thing is, I don't quite know what DRI is for, or if I have/need it
[08:46] <Nermal> direct rendering interface ?
[08:46] <jason> sorry GNU/Linux
[08:46] <_linux_newb_> avg also has a nice one
[08:46] <sylvesterxxl> i own an envidia geforcefx 5700ultra where can i find drivers for installing it in ubuntu?
[08:46] <akk> miguez: 3d on the video card.
[08:46] <Echylo> hmm are there actually "good' virusses for linux?
[08:46] <DemonTears> plz how to change the Refresh rate of monitor  ?
[08:46] <Nermal> akk: not quite
[08:46] <Rocco> I'm a newbie that try to install ubuntu 4.10 but I encourred in a error
[08:46] <miguez> and following the Mesa compilation steps gives me about 5 minutes of good compiling, but then fails when trying different glx files
[08:46] <Nermal> Echylo: no
[08:46] <Rocco> someone can help me?
[08:47] <sylvesterxxl> i own an envidia geforcefx 5700ultra where can i find drivers for installing it in ubuntu?
[08:47] <Nermal> Rocco: give us the sodding error message
[08:47] <miguez> akk, you're saying DRI is another interface, besides OpenGL, to talk to the 3D GPU?
[08:47] <garrut> hehe
[08:47] <Echylo> great :)
[08:47] <_linux_newb_> why would anyone but a newb use ubuntu
[08:47] <_linux_newb_> it is linux for newbs
[08:47] <Rocco> after the first boot when I push enter the installation doesn't work and I see black screen
[08:48] <Nermal> _linux_newb_: sod off
[08:48] <Nermal> :)
[08:48] <^thehatsrule^> sylvesterxxl: install the nvidia binary drivers
[08:48] <miguez> Nermal, you code or have you coded OpenGL in Linux?
[08:48] <Nermal> nope
[08:48] <miguez> any clues about the glx prob?
[08:48] <sylvesterxxl> where to find envidia binary drivers?
[08:48] <Rocco> nermal can you help me
[08:48] <Nermal> sylvesterxxl: in apt
[08:48] <jason> _linux_newb_: I am no noob and to answear your question, debian with updated software and an acceptable philosophy
[08:49] <Nermal> Rocco: GIVE ME AN ERROR MESSAGE
[08:49] <_linux_newb_> roccoL what is the error?
[08:49] <Nermal> for the 2 nd time
[08:49] <sylvesterxxl> sorry im new in apt? where is apt?
[08:49] <Rocco> there isn't an error message
[08:49] <Nermal> sylvesterxxl: apt is where all the packages are
[08:49] <Nermal> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:49] <Rocco> I see only a black screen
[08:49] <Nermal> sorted
[08:49] <miguez> use apt-get in a terinal window
[08:49] <Nermal> oh.. and nvidia-kernel
[08:49] <miguez> apt-et is how you retrieve packages over the net
[08:49] <Nermal> once you have the kernel headers installed
[08:49] <miguez> from a repository
[08:49] <^thehatsrule^> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx <-- i think thats the 1st part...
[08:49] <Echylo> linux_newb why is ubuntu for newbies
[08:49] <Nermal> again, this is all in ubuntuguide.org
[08:49] <Echylo> explain
[08:49] <miguez> which is listed in sources.list
[08:49] <Echylo> and give arguments
[08:50] <Rocco> ola
[08:50] <Echylo> :p
[08:50] <Nermal> Echylo: don't feed the troll
[08:50] <Echylo> feed it until it blows
[08:50] <Rocco> nermal
[08:50] <_linux_newb_> well, 1st it tries to protect itself from the user with no root access
[08:50] <Echylo> you can put that off
[08:50] <jason> _linux_newb_: in 2 seconds i can set a root password
[08:51] <Echylo> back to zero
[08:51] <Rocco> helpppppp
[08:51] <Nermal> Rocco: boot with acpi=off noapic
[08:51] <Nermal> sorted.
[08:51] <Nermal> next.
[08:51] <miguez> Rocco, you say after CD boots, you hit Enter to start normal installation, on the boot: prompt, and everything goes black?
[08:51] <mrquick> poor nermal
[08:51] <_linux_newb_> why does it ship that way?
[08:51] <Nermal> mrquick: I had a hold button at suse :(
[08:51] <Echylo> ?
[08:52] <Rocco> yes miguez
[08:52] <Echylo> why are you whining about it
[08:52] <Spooks> Can I find the exact model of my soundcard without opening my PC? (It doesn't seem to show in Device Manager)
[08:52] <Nermal> _linux_newb_: I guess to stop people using root for normal tasks
[08:52] <Nermal> as n00bs do
[08:52] <_linux_newb_> and who would do that?
[08:52] <Nermal> newbies do
[08:52] <_linux_newb_> yup
[08:52] <Rocco> do you know the solutin?miguez
[08:52] <miguez> Rooc, Nermal suggested something
[08:52] <miguez> scroll up
[08:53] <Rocco> ok
[08:53] <Rocco> thanks a lot
[08:53] <paulsh> what does the noapic boot flag do?
[08:53] <Nermal> Spooks: sure
[08:53] <Nermal> Spooks: lspci
[08:53] <Nermal> paulsh: disables the advanced programmable interrupt controller and just uses the standard PIC
[08:53] <jason> _linux_newb_: it is more secure, sudo command then walk away for a while, You didnt leave someone a root shell
[08:54] <_linux_newb_> i am not saying there is anything wrong/right about it , this started due to a comment about newbs leaving
[08:54] <paulsh> Nermal, right thanks
[08:54] <Nermal> the apic basically means you have more than your bog standard 16 irqs
[08:54] <Spooks> Hmm, it's not there either, how infuriating. ty for command though
[08:54] <Nermal> so you get entries like
[08:54] <Nermal>  21:          0   IO-APIC-level  ohci_hcd
[08:54] <Nermal>  22:      48788   IO-APIC-level  ohci_hcd
[08:55] <Nermal> in /proc/interrupts
[08:55] <paulsh> when i change the permissions on a directory, whats the diff between "chown user" and "chown .user"? whats the . for? (sorry for the random q's,just interested in these things
[08:55] <Nermal> paulsh: never encountered that.. I just use chown user:group <files>
[08:55] <kotatsu> jason: in one respect it is less secure - by default sudo rights are conferred upon the user for a length of time, which is easier to exploit in a desktop setting than leaving a root terminal open
[08:55] <paulsh> Nermal, i've seen it mentioned a couple of times. thanks, again
[08:56] <Nermal> wow.. 10 minutes back in here and that beer in the fridge is already calling me
[08:56] <Spooks> Ahhh, I see why it's not showing
[08:56] <kotatsu> jason: e.g., run gksudo to launch synaptic then browse to a web site that attacks a vulnerability that allows code execution - bam, root access
[08:56] <jason> kotatsu: how is it less if there isnt a time limit on the root terminal
[08:56] <kotatsu> jason: because root terminals aren't normally left open on a regular user's desktop... synaptic, shared folders, etc. are
[08:57] <akk> Has anyone noticed that the root terminal is earlier in the list than the regular user terminal?
[08:57] <bwlang> anybody tried ifolders?  i'm considering it as a replacement for unison.
[08:57] <kotatsu> bwlang: tried, but it still seems very incomplete
[08:57] <akk> So someone looking for a terminal might be likely to use the root terminal even if they didn't need it.
[08:57] <bwlang> kotatsu: ahh.. thanks for saving me some time ;)
[08:57] <kotatsu> akk: I would say that anyone who is looking for a terminal would know what root means ;)
[08:58] <sylvesterxxl> how configure printer epson stilus c42s?
[08:58] <Nermal> not in the list ?
[08:58] <sylvesterxxl> how install epson stilus c42s?
[08:58] <miguez> has anyone in here been able to write and compile their own OpenGL app in Ubuntu?  I am trying through Anjuta, no success, get glx error even when installing Mesa
[08:59] <Nermal> tried system - > administration -> printing I hope
[08:59] <sylvesterxxl> im not used to install nothing in linux
[08:59] <Nermal> ah.  double negatives
[08:59] <akk> There were a lot of epson drivers missing in warty, but I think at least some of them are supposed to be there in hoary.
[08:59] <bwlang> sylvesterxxl: is that a usb printer?
[08:59] <jason> kotatsu: so maybe the time limit issue needs to be fixxed but properly configured sudo is better practice than to stay logged in as root, and possibly safer
[08:59] <sylvesterxxl> yes
[08:59] <kotatsu> miguez: are you using dev packages? I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but it sounds as if you're missing the source code you need
[08:59] <sylvesterxxl> usb printer
[09:00] <Nermal> miguez: 56 people in #opengl at the moment
[09:00] <sylvesterxxl> bwlang
[09:00] <miguez> thank Nermal, will check
[09:00] <kotatsu> jason: the main problem with the way it is currently configured is that the default ubuntu tty_tickets sudo setting doesn't appear to protect against desktop programs
[09:00] <bwlang> sylvesterxxl: when you're responding to one person in particular... use username: or something like that - so that people's IRC clients can flag the message
[09:00] <kotatsu> jason: in fact, I should bug that
[09:00] <sylvesterxxl> what should i do to install usb printer epsonstylus c42s?
[09:00] <bwlang> sylvesterxxl: when you plug it in what happens?
[09:00] <Nermal> sylvesterxxl: I've told you . kindly try it
[09:00] <miguez> Kotatsu, I write my own, but did so in Win up 'til now.  I understand Mesa comes with the Xorg in Ubuntu, but downloaded the latest one, and when compiling, Mesa throws out an error as if when it gets to the glx files, it doesn't know what they are
[09:01] <Nermal> miguez: .h files ?
[09:01] <kotatsu> jason: I can launch synaptic, enter a password, then launch shared folders without entering a password... I guess because they're both launched from the same tty
[09:01] <miguez> kotatsu: have you compiled Mesa successfully?
[09:01] <bwlang> sylvesterxxl: it's generally considered rude to repeat the same question in a short period of time.
[09:01] <miguez> Nermal, yes
[09:01] <Nermal> miguez: install the -dev packages
[09:01] <Nermal> in apt
[09:01] <sylvesterxxl> username:nermal to respond?
[09:02] <akk> sylvesterxxl: auto-detect often doesn't know about recent printers.  Have you gone through the printer list?  Is there anything similar?
[09:02] <Nermal> xlibmesa-dev for example
[09:02] <kotatsu> miguez: nope - in fact I'm not much of a programmer, it's just my best guess. the things you need to compile with are the -dev packages
[09:02] <miguez> Nermal:  installed libgnomeui-dev already
[09:02] <miguez> any other devs I am missing?
[09:02] <kotatsu> miguez: you need the -dev packages for any required dependency your program has
[09:02] <Nermal> sylvesterxxl: <Nermal> tried system - > administration -> printing I hope
[09:02] <Nermal> miguez: <Nermal> xlibmesa-dev for example
[09:02] <bwlang> sylvesterxxl: you misunderstand me... in your previous message you should type "nermal:" (ie "nermal" replaces "username"
[09:02] <sylvesterxxl> when i plug in it doenst detect
[09:03] <sylvesterxxl> nermal:thanks
[09:03] <Nermal> 3 times is my limit
[09:03] <sylvesterxxl> nermal:right?
[09:03] <Nermal> if you can't read, there is no point in installing your printer ..
[09:04] <sylvesterxxl> nermal:when i plug in it doesnt detect it ... what should i do?
[09:04] <cal_> hello
[09:04] <_linux_newb_> descriptive pictures
[09:04] <Nermal> sylvesterxxl: add it manually by going to  system - > administration -> printing
[09:04] <Nermal> 4th and final time
[09:04] <kotatsu> Nermal: I thought 3 times was your limit? =P
[09:04] <sylvesterxxl> nermal:it is usb printer someone ask me if it was a usb printer
[09:04] <Nermal> kotatsu: I just opened beer
[09:05] <kotatsu> Nermal: it all becomes clear now
[09:05] <_linux_newb_> it is 5:00 somewhere
[09:05] <Nermal> and.. ignored..
[09:05] <raetsel> evening all
[09:05] <revealed> is there any tool to remove orphaned dependencies in ubuntu? (Can Synaptic do that?)
[09:05] <kotatsu> revealed: debfoster
[09:05] <Nermal> revealed: apt should..
[09:05] <kotatsu> revealed: or deborphan
[09:05] <Nermal> ooh
[09:05] <kotatsu> I actually use both
[09:06] <miniX> Can someone help me with install nvidia ?
[09:06] <kotatsu> and they still don't seem to catch everything sometimes =\
[09:06] <Nermal> miniX: install kernel headers then install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel
[09:06] <revealed> hm, i'll try them, thanks
[09:06] <Nermal> then switch driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from nv to nvidia
[09:06] <Nermal> modprobe nvidia
[09:06] <Nermal> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:06] <Nermal> done.
[09:07] <kotatsu> revealed: debfoster is more powerful btw, you might try that first... it steps through dependencies that are freed up after each layer is removed
[09:07] <cal_> I have a problem I believe is related to the DNS problem described in the webforums.  It takes my computer a long time to find a webpage the first time, or any kind of server for that matter.  I have tried the solutions suggested in the web forum, but none have worked.  Would anyone mind giving me a hand?
[09:07] <kotatsu> really handy program when you want to install stuff then remove it all later ^^
[09:07] <Nermal> use different nameservers ?
[09:07] <Nermal> check nameserver ips in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[09:07] <goxy> hey
[09:08] <raetsel> hey goxy
[09:08] <goxy> someone helpme to make work intel 536ep on ubuntu 5.04
[09:08] <goxy> please
[09:08] <cal_> how do i know which ones to change?
[09:09] <kotatsu> cal_: have you altered anything in /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[09:10] <yasirf> hello
[09:10] <Gecko> Can anyone help me with an issue with the fglrx drivers on amd64? I get the following error in dmesg: [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 6331 using kernel context 0 - and fglrxinfo tells me that it is still using mesa...
[09:10] <cal_> I have not changed resolv.conf.  I don't know what nsswitch.conf is.
[09:10] <yasirf> i have a windows 2000 server
[09:10] <Nermal> cal_: well. the first is the primary.. I would ping them all and see if any are slow ones
[09:10] <revealed> kotatsu: works thank you, why doesn't apt have such an option?
[09:10] <kotatsu> revealed: you'd have to ask the creators of apt =) probably just not a feature that belongs in the core of apt
[09:10] <yasirf> and i want to Set up an Ubuntu mirror
[09:10] <yasirf> how can i do iti
[09:10] <Nermal> yasirf: google
[09:10] <yasirf> so it auto update
[09:11] <yasirf> i went to the ubuntu web site
[09:11] <Nermal> though why windows 2000 server came into the conversation is beyond me
[09:11] <yasirf> but the info that is for linux
[09:11] <yasirf> not windows
[09:11] <Nermal> well ubuntu is a linux distro so....
[09:11] <yasirf> yes i know
[09:11] <miniX> when i should install nvidia-glx..... so it come up i black window... and it stand error
[09:11] <Nermal> another ignore :)
[09:12] <yasirf> but my company uses it for the desktop
[09:12] <kotatsu> haha
[09:12] <yasirf> and windows 2000 for the server
[09:12] <_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: so how are you enjoying ubuntu?
[09:12] <Nermal> I very rarely ever use it, but I can't see for n00bs today :|
[09:12] <Nermal> ..and trolls..
[09:12] <^thehatsrule^> eh me?
[09:12] <jason> yasirf: get a cheap box and install GNU/Linux on it for that purpose
[09:13] <_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: yes
[09:13] <_linux_newb_> missing mepis yet?
[09:13] <^thehatsrule^> im really only testing it right now... really waiting for the final hoary before really trying it out
[09:13] <sylvesterxxl> i have a usb multiplier and the printer is switched to it ... is it possible ubuntu cant detect it there?
[09:13] <^thehatsrule^> lol are you mepis lover?
[09:13] <_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: yes
[09:13] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[09:13] <_linux_newb_> lol
[09:13] <cal_> Should 127.0.0.1 be in resolv.conf?
[09:13] <^thehatsrule^> howd i know... hmmm :P
[09:14] <^thehatsrule^> i dont think so cal_
[09:14] <cal_> that could be the problem...   thanks
[09:14] <yasirf> is that the only way to do it?
[09:14] <^thehatsrule^> _linux_newb_, we'll see in a couple weeks hehe
[09:14] <sylvesterxxl> can i do videoconference in ubuntu?
[09:15] <kotatsu> cal_: only if you're running a DNS server locally
[09:15] <goxy> someone helpme to make work intel 536ep on ubuntu 5.04 please
[09:15] <cal_> Should I be running DNS locally?
[09:15] <Nermal> no
[09:15] <Nermal> 127.0.0.1 shouldn't be there
[09:15] <kotatsu> cal_: if you have to ask, probably not ;)
[09:16] <yasirf> i guess there is no other way to do it
[09:16] <yasirf> with windows
[09:16] <yasirf> i can not
[09:16] <sylvesterxxl> can i do videoconference in ubuntu using gaim? what program lets me use my webcam to chat?
[09:16] <yasirf> i have to use linkux
[09:16] <cal_> I may have started a dns server locally, following the advise on the web forum.
[09:16] <apokryphos> sylvesterxxl: gnome meeting
[09:16] <Nermal> cal_: I doubt it
[09:16] <^thehatsrule^> cal_, that is what i did, but you can use external dns servers as well, in IP format
[09:16] <sylvesterxxl> gnome meeting is compatible with msn o yahoo?
[09:16] <Nermal> they are a bitch to set up
[09:17] <jk> sylvesterxxl: work is in progress to support it in gaim, but it's not there just yet
[09:17] <sylvesterxxl> jk:thanks
[09:17] <sylvesterxxl> ops i have learned to reply hehehe
[09:17] <_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: later
[09:18] <^thehatsrule^> heh cya
[09:18] <cal_> I installed bind, pump, and one other thing that I can't remember...
[09:18] <sylvesterxxl> gnome meeting is compatible with msn or yahoo?
[09:18] <kotatsu> cal_: you probably have bind installed but misconfigured
[09:18] <jk> sylvesterxxl: nope, it uses netmeeting's protocol
[09:18] <pv_> That is, videoconferencing.
[09:18] <sylvesterxxl> can i see divx films in ubuntu? what program to listen mp3?
[09:18] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[09:18] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: yes, and many
[09:18] <cal_> how would I go about reconfiguring it properly...
[09:18] <^thehatsrule^> xmms?
[09:19] <cal_> ?
[09:19] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: how and how?
[09:19] <kotatsu> cal_: learn how to administer a DNS server and edit the configuration files =) google would be helpful
[09:19] <cal_> :)
[09:19] <kotatsu> cal_: doubt it's worth your time if you already have reliable dns servers from your isp
[09:19] <^thehatsrule^> its much easier to find external dns servers
[09:19] <^thehatsrule^> just use the host computer, goto network settings
[09:20] <^thehatsrule^> and theres your dns settings!
[09:20] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:how see films in divx and which program to hear mp3?
[09:20] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: get codecs from mplayerhq.hu for divx, for mp3 playback there are a ton of programs... beep, xmms, rhythmbox, etc.
[09:21] <cal_> I called charter cable and asked for the DNS servers IP.  They told me they don't give them out, buecause my computer should pull them down automatically.
[09:21] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: check out the wiki at ubuntulinux.com for how to set up mp3 playback
[09:21] <raetsel> but out of the box rhythmbox doesn't play MP3s you need to add the package gstreamer-mad for the plugin
[09:21] <kotatsu> cal_: that's correct
[09:21] <Aerandir> ubuntu doesn't detect my ethernet card, what can I do about it?
[09:21] <raetsel> what make of card is it Aerandir?
[09:22] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:mplayerhq.hu closed for patent infringement
[09:22] <cal_> it doesn't...  the default dchp settings don't get the correct DNS
[09:22] <kotatsu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:22] <kotatsu> look at that page, sylvesterxxl
[09:23] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: they're not closed, that's just a notice before the main page
[09:23] <sylvesterxxl> ok
[09:23] <kotatsu> if you read it you would see that they provide a link
[09:24] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:you are really patient with me ... which program is it really the best to mp3?
[09:24] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: none, you just have to try them out to see which you like the most... I use beep media player
[09:25] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:it is a good program?
[09:25] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: I like it
[09:25] <stinger> PLZ help me reall quick... u gotta tell me what packets to get so that i can play MP3 files!!!!
[09:25] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: it's a fork of xmms, the perennial favorite linux music player
[09:25] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell stinger uburestricted
[09:25] <Pyre> stinger: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:25] <kotatsu> stinger: short answer: $ sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[09:26] <raetsel> gstreamer-mad
[09:26] <stinger> thanks mate!
[09:26] <raetsel> *snap*
[09:26] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:thanks ..... i have to leave now but maybe i ask again same tomorrow i hope not disturbing or annoying you
[09:26] <kotatsu> sure, this channel is open 24/7
[09:26] <Sabator> Can someone help me out with a problem?
[09:27] <kotatsu> Sabator: ?
[09:27] <sig> state your problem
[09:27] <sig> then we can help
[09:27] <Sabator> I made a screw-up creating a dual-boot system
[09:27] <Sabator> I wanna format the Linux partitions
[09:27] <Sabator> and try again
[09:27] <Sabator> How?
[09:27] <sig> put the cd back in and start over
[09:27] <sig> that simple
[09:27] <kotatsu> Sabator: why do you want to try again? it might be easier to fix what's wrong
[09:28] <Sabator> Windows doesn't boot
[09:28] <Sabator> at all
[09:28] <kotatsu> Sabator: but linux does?
[09:28] <Sabator> Yes, I'm using it now
[09:28] <kotatsu> Sabator: ok, it's probably fixable ten
[09:28] <kotatsu> then*
[09:28] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: can u help me to install it? come with me to mplayerhq and tell me what files to download please
[09:28] <maddler> evening all...
[09:28] <apokryphos> gstreamer-mad is not in hoary
[09:28] <kotatsu> apokryphos: you have to enable the universe repository
[09:28] <Sabator> how would I fix it?
[09:28] <raetsel> hi maddler
[09:29] <apokryphos> kotatsu: in hoary? I don't see it.
[09:29] <Nermal> apokryphos: gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:29] <apokryphos> ah, yes, that's there.
[09:29] <Sabator> It seems unsalvagable, whenever I select windows XP the PC just restarts
[09:29] <Nermal> *slap*
[09:29] <Nermal> Sabator: that sounds normal
[09:29] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: can u help me to install it? come with me to mplayerhq and tell me what files to download please
[09:29] <Sabator> Heh
[09:29] <kotatsu> Sabator: copy the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst into http://pastebin.ca
[09:29] <stinger> uuuuhm... xmms hangs when I try to play a file... super weird
[09:29] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: go to the download page and get the "essential codecs package"
[09:30] <vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
[09:30] <deFrysk> kotatsu, no
[09:30] <vaijr2002> can someone help with this prob?
[09:30] <deFrysk> there is a repo to get them
[09:30] <vaijr2002> failed to open /home/vaijr/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory
[09:30] <deFrysk> the marrillat repo
[09:30] <apokryphos> stinger: do you have the mp3 codecs?
[09:30] <kotatsu> deFrysk: I always just grab the newest ones from mplayer and stick them in /usr/local *shrug*
[09:31] <vaijr2002> trying to get a file from there and cant
[09:31] <Nermal> vaijr2002: create the file ?
[09:31] <vaijr2002> hmm
[09:31] <deFrysk> kotatsu, always use the debian way when helping
[09:31] <Nermal> file from where ?
[09:31] <carsonc> Can somebody tell me how to format a floppy disk using a USB floppy drive?
[09:31] <vaijr2002> so do i have to make one there?
[09:31] <Nermal> wow
[09:31] <carsonc> It mounts as /dev/sda when I have an already-formatted disk in it, but I'd like to format some new disks
[09:31] <kotatsu> deFrysk: I don't use the marrillat repository, so I can't recommend that course of action
[09:31] <Nermal> thats like someone calling in at a garage and asking how to hand crank a car
[09:32] <Sabator> Kotatsu: http://pastebin.ca/7883
[09:32] <sylvesterxxl> does pen drives work in ubuntu?
[09:32] <carsonc> Nermal:  It's an old computer :)
[09:32] <deFrysk> kotatsu, then you should not advise him
[09:32] <Nermal> carsonc: mkfs ?
[09:32] <Loiosh> Yes, Syl
[09:32] <Loiosh> It should auto-mount
[09:32] <kotatsu> Nermal: have some of that beer to share?
[09:32] <kotatsu> heh
[09:32] <Nermal> kotatsu: I was just thinking that
[09:32] <carsonc> Nermal:  mkdosfs  quits with an error "Cannot create filesystem" or similar
[09:32] <Zyan_eq> I'm trygint to make menuconfig but need ncurses-devel.. I have the repositories added from the howto but cannot find that package.. any advice?
[09:32] <vaijr2002> hmm
[09:32] <vaijr2002> brb
[09:32] <Nermal> carsonc: sufficient permissions
[09:32] <carsonc> and gfloppy only tries to read /dev/fd0
[09:32] <kotatsu> many thanks
[09:33] <carsonc> yeah, done with sudo
[09:33] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:where to install essential-20050115 in hard drive?
[09:33] <tck> sylvesterxxl, yes
[09:33] <Nermal> Zyan_eq: hum,, seems to be a v package here.. :*
[09:33] <Nermal> :(
[09:33] <Sabator> kotatsu, any ideas?
[09:33] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: you have to extract the files into /usr/local/lib/codecs
[09:34] <Nermal> kotatsu: isn't all this on ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:34] <kotatsu> Sabator: I see two entries for windows - have you tried both?
[09:34] <kotatsu> Nermal: not sure, I haven't read the entire thing... good idea though, checking
[09:34] <bender> any one able to help me with some video config's?
[09:34] <Zyan_eq> Nermal: sorry, what do you mean by a "v" package? old redhat gentoo user  here
[09:34] <Sabator> One is a recovery partition Compaq created. It doesn't actually have an OS on it, Kotatsu.
[09:35] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:35] <Zyan_eq> nermal: thanks
[09:35] <kotatsu> Sabator: so neither one of them will boot windows?
[09:35] <Nermal> Zyan_eq: I'm not entirely sure.. but I think it is an "installation candidate" not an actual package
[09:35] <nis> Zyan_eq: libncurses-dev?
[09:35] <kotatsu> Sabator: just making sure you're trying to boot from the correct one
[09:35] <sh1mmer> So I am looking at an ubuntu package and the person who is suposedly responsible for it, isn't. The ubuntu package has be changed for python2.4, any idea I could find out who is really responsible for it?
[09:35] <Nermal> nis: as I said.. it's a virtual package..
[09:35] <Sabator> The actual windows partition displays the windows screen, then says it's skipping autocheck and reboots.
[09:35] <Nermal> not installable..
[09:35] <Zyan_eq> nis: yes libncurses-dev
[09:36] <bender> im doing a triple head monitor setup with an nvidia and ati card... now in fc* / RH my system runs fine and fast...with gnome and kde but in anything else .... if i run gnome... the system is soooo slow like windows98 with out gfx drivers installed.. it like paints the app on the screen all slow and everything takes forever
[09:36] <bender> any ideas?
[09:36] <Nermal> Zyan_eq: the codecs url wasn't for you ;)
[09:36] <Zyan_eq> nermal: hehe saw that )
[09:36] <yasirf> hello
[09:36] <sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: i go to usr them to local and to lib but there is no codec folder only i see is forther python 2.3
[09:36] <yasirf> i have a linux box
[09:36] <yasirf> now
[09:36] <Nermal> bender: could be mesa screwing up the nvidia glx stuff I suppose
[09:36] <Nermal> dunno if it still does that
[09:37] <bender> i was kinda readin about that
[09:37] <Nermal> using nv or nvidia ?
[09:37] <nis> Zyan_eq: I generally 'egrep ^rovides.*libncurses-dev /var/lib/dpkg/available' or similar
[09:37] <bender> didnt know what to look for
[09:37] <bender> nvidia
[09:37] <kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: yes, you have to create it... alternatively, it looks like ubuntuguide.org has instructions on how to get the codecs
[09:37] <yasirf> and i have tryed the commands on the web site to setup mirror
[09:37] <kotatsu> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:37] <yasirf> but it does not work
[09:37] <Zyan_eq> nis: thanks
[09:37] <yasirf> linux tell me go such dir
[09:37] <Sabator> I've only had Ubuntu a couple days, kotatsu, I wouldn't lose anything by formatting.
[09:37] <bender> Nermal, Nvidia
[09:37] <yasirf> i have a linux box
[09:37] <yasirf> and i have tryed the commands on the web site to setup mirror
[09:38] <yasirf> linux tell me go such dir
[09:38] <kotatsu> Sabator: it's unlikely that it will fix your problem
[09:38] <Sabator> Right...okay.
[09:38] <yasirf> any one know anything for me?
[09:38] <kotatsu> Sabator: if it didn't do it right the first time, it probably won't do it right the second ;)
[09:38] <nis> Zyan_eq: didn't work tho. but that's the idea; you want to find a line with 'provides' and the virtual.
[09:38] <Sabator> I installed Debian before I installed Ubuntu, by the way. I found it difficult to use and that's why i switched to Ubuntu.
[09:38] <keyes> hello, when i shutdown my computer i've "power down" and "acpi call powerdown" but it don't stop :(
[09:38] <Zyan_eq> nis: ok
[09:39] <keyes> acpi -V :    Thermal 1: ok, 45.0 degrees C
[09:39] <kotatsu> Sabator: so no error messages, just a reboot? no output or anything?
[09:39] <Loiosh> Hehe Sabator
[09:39] <Sabator> Yes, that's right
[09:39] <Sabator> what is it Loiosh?
[09:39] <nis> Zyan_eq: first hit was libncurses5-dev here
[09:39] <yasirf> hello
[09:39] <raetsel> can you boot XP in safe mode or from a recovery CD Sabator?
[09:39] <yasirf> can some one help me?
[09:39] <kotatsu> Sabator: ubuntu is definitely more user friendly if you don't know your way around already ;)
[09:40] <Spooks> Hey hey
[09:40] <raetsel> hi spooks
[09:40] <Spooks> :)
[09:40] <Sabator> I don't have a CD. I made the mistake of buying a Compaq. All I have is a "System Recovery" option in BIOS, which formats the ENTIRE DRIVE.
[09:40] <Nermal> :D
[09:40] <Spooks> Compaq rules
[09:41] <raetsel> hmmm how about an F8 during the XP boot to get a list of options, Sabator
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[09:41] <spiral> hi
[09:41] <Sabator> my Ubuntu partition doesn't have anything important on it, but I don't wanna lose the windows partitions
[09:41] <raetsel> Compaq=HP
[09:41] <kotatsu> Sabator: does the windows boot process produce anything on the screen at all, or is it an instant reboot after the GRUB screen?
[09:41] <Sabator> I just bought this PC because it was very cheap for the specs
[09:41] <Sabator> it's not an instant reboot
[09:41] <deFrysk> Sabator, a simple reinstall will reformat the linux partitions
[09:42] <Sabator> it says "cannot find xmnt2002" SKIPPING AUTOCHEK "cannot find autochek" SKIPPING AUTOCHEK then it reboots
[09:42] <deFrysk> sabator do you have a recovery partition for windows on your hdrive
[09:43] <Sabator> Yes, but I tried booting it, no go defrysk
[09:43] <yasirf> nermal are you there?
[09:43] <deFrysk> Sabator, what is on there by default ?
[09:43] <kotatsu> well those aren't linux messages to my knowledge... sounds like grub is successfully handing off the boot process to NT and that's what's choking
[09:43] <deFrysk> what is on there
[09:43] <deFrysk> whas
[09:43] <deFrysk> geez typos
[09:44] <Sabator> I never checked dyfrysk, it's all hidden and I even tried checking the 2show hidden files and folders" button, but there was nothing there. according to windows, it was 3.5GB and completely full.
[09:44] <deFrysk> Sabator, you maght have a bios wich refuses other osses
[09:44] <yasirf> does any one in here know how to setup a ubuntu?  I have a linux computer now with linux installed
[09:44] <deFrysk> might
[09:45] <yasirf> i tryed what was on the web site but it did not work
[09:45] <Sabator> It's the COMPAQ BIOS so I wouldn't be surprised
[09:45] <deFrysk> Sabator, how old is your pc ?
[09:45] <Sabator> less than a year
[09:45] <raetsel> sabator this link might help http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/16969/
[09:46] <raetsel> suggests you run linux fdisk and change the partition type of the ntfs partition
[09:46] <Sabator> I bought it in...December, actually
[09:46] <raetsel> Christmas present to yourself, Sabator :o)
[09:46] <deFrysk> Sabator, pc's with windows recovery partitions are suspect to me
[09:46] <deFrysk> a 400 meg ddrive right ?
[09:46] <Sabator> Now
[09:46] <Sabator> *No
[09:46] <Sabator> 3.5GB
[09:47] <BockBilbo> hey
[09:47] <deFrysk> an d is on there when you bougt the thing right ?
[09:47] <BockBilbo> any of you has tried out the apache2 mod called musicindex from ubuntu's apt?
[09:47] <raetsel> that link has a fair few options people have tried when in the same situation sabator
[09:47] <nis> yasirf: you can setup a debian system and then install ubuntu from debian.
[09:48] <Roey> deFrysk:  you mean like Dell ones?
[09:48] <Xira> hi guys
[09:48] <Xira> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21022
[09:48] <Xira> :X
[09:48] <raetsel> hi Xira
[09:48] <Roey> deFrysk:  Dell comes with this little Windows recovery partition
[09:48] <sh1mmer> is bugzilla down?
[09:48] <deFrysk> Sabator, I would google for make and model and figure out about the bios
[09:48] <Sabator> raetsel that link solved my problem I think, but I dunno how to use fdisk to change it from hidden ntfs to ntfs
[09:49] <deFrysk> there is now even a linux pc in wallmart wich refuses other osses being installed
[09:49] <deFrysk> with is a bad thing
[09:49] <tck> Sabator, try cfdisk
[09:49] <Xira> linspire pc?
[09:49] <Nermal> deFrysk: the cash register ?
[09:49] <Nermal> "till" as we brits say
[09:49] <deFrysk> Nermal, not shure where I read it
[09:49] <Nermal> oooh..
[09:49] <deFrysk> not linspire
[09:50] <raetsel> Did you read all the thread sabator? It mentions several ways to fix it using different tools. Including one for the grub menu
[09:50] <deFrysk> I believe is was xandros
[09:50] <Xira> Eww
[09:50] <Xira> There should be Ubuntu PCs
[09:50] <Xira> ^_^
[09:50] <deFrysk> anyway linux distros with m$ additudes
[09:50] <deFrysk> bad thing
[09:50] <Nermal> ubuntu macs :P
[09:51] <Xira> Imagine a PC with a Ubuntu logo on it
[09:51] <Xira> That would be wicked
[09:51] <deFrysk> there should be empty , no os standard pc' s
[09:51] <deFrysk> free to choose
[09:51] <Sabator> I saw the one about the grub menu raetsel
[09:51] <Xira> I don't want Linux to be mainstream or popular
[09:52] <raetsel> any good? I only skimmed the postings Sbator
[09:52] <Sabator> But I don't know what yast2 is, raetsel
[09:52] <deFrysk> Xira, i do
[09:52] <Xira> Why?
[09:52] <deFrysk> good for developement
[09:52] <Xira> So it can be attacked like windows?
[09:52] <deFrysk> the more the better
[09:52] <kotatsu> Sabator's problem doesn't sound like a bios problem
[09:52] <deFrysk> Xira, that not true
[09:52] <Xira> Xirdneh: I don't want grandma running Linux
[09:52] <raetsel> oh yast2 is like a package manager for other distros ( I think )
[09:52] <kotatsu> he said he's inside of linux right now, and the error messages sound like windows choking, not the bios or grub itself
[09:52] <deFrysk> xira thats windows fud
[09:52] <Sabator> It's a problem with GRUB, kotatsu, GRUB loads windows incorrectly
[09:53] <Zyan_eq> ok, since I can't seem to find ncurses-dev or qt-dev what do you guys use to rebuild the kernel?
[09:53] <Xira> So you don't think there would be more Linux viruses if it were mainstream?
[09:53] <sihen> is there a trick to getting wireless working on ubuntu? im setting it up in gnome and its active at eth1 but does not see the network, nor gets a ip from DHCP
[09:53] <deFrysk> Xira, honestly , no
[09:53] <sihen> any idea's?
[09:53] <Xira> heh
[09:53] <deFrysk> Xira, linux is not a virus friendly environment
[09:53] <deFrysk> unlike windows
[09:54] <Xira> It's an opersating system which uses a direct binary language.
[09:54] <Xira> :\
[09:54] <deFrysk> Xira fprot can protect linux easily
[09:54] <sihen> can someone help please
[09:54] <deFrysk> or clamav
[09:54] <deFrysk> whatever
[09:54] <[koji] > what is the key again to recall previously typed command in bash?  I tried Ctrl+R and its not working
[09:54] <kotatsu> deFrysk: depends how you define virus
[09:55] <Sabator> so where can I get yast2?
[09:55] <kotatsu> deFrysk: malware is hardly contained to Windows
[09:55] <raetsel> the up arrow, Koji?
[09:55] <[koji] > it happens when I upgraded to Hoary
[09:55] <kotatsu> deFrysk: it's not terribly hard to get a user to run a rm -rf $HOME script
[09:55] <nis> Zyan_eq: I generally use dselect to sort packages by priority; the important development packages will sort to the top of that list.
[09:55] <Xira> The beauty of Linux is that it has a small, nice, (not too much of a corporate envoirment), which very little people use compared to the mainstream market, and it's hardly targeted at all.
[09:55] <kotatsu> Xira: you haven't looked at linux server sales recently then
[09:55] <[koji] > raetsel not the up arrow if i want to jump to specific command in history
[09:55] <Xira> I'm not talking about servers.
[09:55] <stazz> http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/linuxbeat3.htm
[09:56] <deFrysk> kotatsu, why does it never happen then ?
[09:56] <Xira> *nix _IS_ the mainstream for servers
[09:56] <raetsel> ah right sorry koji mis-understood
[09:56] <spacey> kotatsu, it would still need to be +x
[09:56] <kotatsu> Xira: uh... okay... "Linux isn't popular except where it is!"
[09:56] <Spooks> Someone mind telling me where the xmms skins directory is please?
[09:56] <Xira> I'm refering to the desktkop kotatsu
[09:56] <raetsel> Sabator how about using GNU parted?
[09:56] <Xira> *desktop
[09:56] <sihen> can someone help please
[09:56] <Sabator> what is that raetsel?
[09:56] <Sabator> I know nothing of Linux or it's stuff
[09:56] <stazz> Spooks: ~/.xmms/Skins
[09:56] <deFrysk> I have to go
[09:56] <raetsel> sorry sihen no wireless stuff here
[09:57] <kotatsu> spacey: yes, and it's not hard to get an executable script onto a person's drive
[09:57] <raetsel> parted is another partition tool like fdisk
[09:57] <Sabator> *google(
[09:57] <^thehatsrule^> but better
[09:57] <^thehatsrule^> qtparted is easier
[09:57] <^thehatsrule^> with a gui
[09:57] <sihen> raetsel, ?
[09:57] <spacey> kotatsu, maybe not, but by default things you download are not +x
[09:57] <Sabator> can I unhide my ntfs partition with parted?
[09:57] <stazz> ^thehatsrule^: there is no substitute for fdisk :)
[09:57] <Zyan_eq> sihen: are familiar with ndiswrapper and wireless tools?
[09:57] <kotatsu> spacey: things you decompress are, if they come that way
[09:58] <Spooks> ~/ = home directory, right?
[09:58] <httpdss> sabator: you can do that with grub
[09:58] <spacey> Spooks, yes
[09:58] <stazz> Spooks: yes.. the tilde means current user's home directory.
[09:58] <Sabator> I need to get yast2 to edit GRUB
[09:58] <raetsel> you should have parted already on your ubuntu system, sabator
[09:58] <Spooks> So, /home/username/.xmms/Skins ?
[09:58] <hawke_> Sabator: why?
[09:58] <sihen> Zyan_eq, nop im not
[09:58] <Spooks> Just to clarify
[09:58] <stazz> Spooks: yes.
[09:59] <hawke_> Sabator: why not just edit directly?
[09:59] <Sabator> how do i do that?
[09:59] <stazz> Spooks: and for system wide, /usr/share/xmms/Skins/
[09:59] <Sabator> I have no clue how to do anything on Ubuntu :)
[09:59] <Zyan_eq> sihen: you should check out the ndiswrapper for Ubuntu first.
[09:59] <kotatsu> Sabator: btw your grub file looks fine to me, no idea what's going on... if the correct partition is in there I'm not sure why it wouldn't load
[09:59] <httpdss> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:59] <apokryphos> Anyone know of any decent [extra]  font packages in the repositories?
[09:59] <Sabator> kthx
[09:59] <sihen> Zyan_eq,  ta
[09:59] <Zyan_eq> sihen: that will walk you through the configuration. If your still having problems I can help
[10:00] <Spooks> Ah, that's the one. Great stuff, many thanks
[10:00] <sihen> ta
[10:00] <snetx10> whenever i try to install a software package in the ubuntu live cd hoary version i keep getting an error message (using sudo apt-get install vncserver, for example)
[10:00] <snetx10> the error message has to do with /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-lubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[10:02] <snetx10> libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
[10:02] <dumbhack> Any suggestions for the best way to set up a virtual host with Ubuntu (Warty)?  I just want Apache2 and a mail server, with quota, etc.  I have Apache2/PHP/Perl and sendmail installed now.  Is there anything that I can apt-get to help set this up?  Or do I have to chagne each config file manually-like?
[10:03] <Sabator> Okay guys, I think I fixed GRUB, If I manage to boot up windows I'll use my windows IRC client to come and say thanks. Wish me luck, i'm gonna need it.
[10:03] <raetsel> good luck Sabator
[10:03] <raetsel> when it's fixed copy the files off and format it all as Linux
[10:04] <raetsel> So who thinks Sabator will make it?
[10:04] <raetsel> I reckon it is 50-50
[10:05] <kotatsu> what did he change in his grub config?
[10:06] <raetsel> some settings to unhid the ntfs partition
[10:06] <Sabator> Dammit!
[10:07] <raetsel> still no good sabator?
[10:07] <Sabator> No
[10:07] <kotatsu> =\
[10:07] <kotatsu> same error messages?
[10:07] <Sabator> I think I may have...er...messed up GRUB. Lemme try and fix it and I'll reboot again
[10:07] <raetsel> Kotatsu, it was stuff posted on this site http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21022
[10:08] <kotatsu> "Ubuntu and my monitor."?
[10:08] <Beuno> hey, I installed kubuntu over my ubuntu, with apt-get
[10:08] <Beuno> now
[10:08] <Beuno> I would like to be able
[10:08] <Beuno> to load my gnome again
[10:09] <Beuno> any ideas?
[10:09] <raetsel> oops I meant http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/16969/
[10:09] <^thehatsrule^> in your login screen, change the session?
[10:09] <sic|> Beuno: install gnome
[10:09] <BockBilbo> whats the best ftp server in the ubuntu repositories?
[10:09] <apokryphos> Beuno: you installed the Kubuntu ISO?
[10:09] <Sabator> Okay, time to reboot again! Hopefully I'll do better...
[10:09] <apokryphos> BockBilbo: it's a matter of preference. I like Konqueror.
[10:09] <Beuno> thehatsrule: gnome isnt on my session startup anymore
[10:09] <BockBilbo> apokryphos, lol
[10:09] <raetsel> good luck sabator
[10:09] <BockBilbo> konqueror is a browser from kde
[10:10] <Beuno> apok: no, I installed ubuntu, and then did apt-get to install the kubuntu desktop
[10:10] <apokryphos> BockBilbo: Thanks; it's also an ftp client.
[10:10] <BockBilbo> i actually want a ftp daemon
[10:10] <BockBilbo> :p
[10:10] <apokryphos> Beuno: Gnome is still there then.
[10:10] <BockBilbo> apokryphos, i know.. but im looking for a server
[10:10] <BockBilbo> ;)
[10:10] <Beuno> I know it
[10:10] <Beuno> just want to know how to get to ir
[10:10] <apokryphos> BockBilbo: eek, bad misreading.
[10:10] <Beuno> it
[10:10] <Beuno> :D
[10:10] <BockBilbo> ;)
[10:11] <apokryphos> Beuno: It really should be there under "Session". kubuntu-desktop does not uninstall any stuff
[10:11] <Beuno> yeah, I know
[10:11] <Beuno> it just isnt
[10:11] <Beuno> :(
[10:11] <apokryphos> Beuno: check to see if you've got all the Gnome packages still; i.e. gnome-session
[10:11] <raetsel> Sabator been gone a while. Either he's booting XP ( which takes a while ) or he ain't booting anything now :oS
[10:12] <Beuno> searching...
[10:12] <raetsel> oooh drumroll
[10:12] <Sabator> I never thought I'd say this
[10:12] <Sabator> but I'm so happy to see the Windows XP theme
[10:12] <apokryphos> Beuno: sudo dpkg -l | grep gnome-session
[10:12] <tahorg> ?
[10:12] <raetsel> hehe it worked then Sabator?
[10:12] <Sabator> Thanks for everything, guys.
[10:12] <raetsel> you are welcome
[10:13] <Sabator> Seriously, you saved my life
[10:13] <karlos> hi
[10:13] <Beuno> firing up the cosole
[10:13] <thurston> hi
[10:13] <raetsel> now backup your data and format that XP partition to be Linux as well :o)
[10:13] <Sabator> I had like 50GB of anime I hadn't burned yet
[10:13] <nis> apokryphos: I like the new Bitstream Vera fonts (truetype).
[10:13] <Beuno> rc  gnome-session  2.8.0-0ubuntu2 The GNOME 2 Session Manager
[10:13] <apokryphos> nis: cool :). I use Bitstream Vera Sans, generally.
[10:13] <kotatsu> Sabator: what did you do? just change it to regular NTFS instead of hidden?
[10:13] <Beuno> looks like I have it
[10:13] <tahorg> Beuno: rc != ii
[10:13] <Sabator> No, I'm keeping it as a dual-boot system, I'm using the windows partition for gaming and the Linux partition for...everything else, really.
[10:14] <Beuno> oh
[10:14] <plagerism> Why is there no kernel headers for my running kernel?? The package manager updated my kernel to 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, however there is no matching kernel?? Anyone know why??
[10:14] <kotatsu> btw what's a hidden ntfs partition - what's its usefulness? never heard of that
[10:14] <Beuno> so, its gone for no apparent reason?
[10:14] <Sabator> Yeah kotatsu, I just unhid it. I deleted some stuff from GRUB menu accidentally, but I fixed it and now it loads.
[10:14] <raetsel> Sabator I read an article about WINE on Linux for gaming, did quite a good review
[10:14] <dieman> grr
[10:14] <dieman> h8 oopses in the install kernel
[10:15] <Sabator> I know raetsel, the performance may be good, but a game running on an emulator will never beb better than a game running on it's native system
[10:15] <Sabator> See you later then guys.
[10:15] <Agrajag> wine is not an emulator.
[10:15] <kotatsu> ahhh interesting, it's a partition magic thing
[10:15] <kotatsu> the xmnt2002
[10:15] <Sabator> Bye
[10:15] <raetsel> true Sabator
[10:15] <kotatsu> bye Sabator, have fun
[10:15] <raetsel> bye
[10:16] <raetsel> we helped him get back to XP, should we feel dirty? :o)
[10:16] <kotatsu> heh
[10:16] <plagerism> lol raetsel, linux is about choices!!
[10:16] <kotatsu> I'm a little confused as to why he didn't just copy the data from XP to linux though
[10:17] <raetsel> but some choices are more equal than others
[10:17] <raetsel> good point Kotatsu, wonder if his window partition mounted under linux
[10:17] <raetsel> anyways he wants his gaming in XP
[10:17] <sic|> about his gaming comment...UT2k4 runs better in linux then in windows
[10:18] <sic|> and I ahve heard Q3 does too
[10:18] <sic|> *have
[10:18] <Agrajag> sic|: neither of those are running in wine
[10:18] <raetsel> Here's that article about Wine and Cadega http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005031300326RVDTGM
[10:18] <sic|> hehe
[10:18] <sic|> true
[10:18] <thurston> i am having trouble accessing my xp partition too
[10:18] <raetsel> what problem are you having thurston?
[10:18] <thurston> ithink i came in just after the crucial bit
[10:18] <thurston> i cant access it at all
[10:19] <sic|> the point2play guys need to come out with a strict gaming/mulitmedia distro...that would be cool
[10:19] <raetsel> what errors do you get? Thurston
[10:19] <thurston> madee the partition through linux
[10:19] <tigger|nl> I've got a question: I've just installed Webmin with Synaptic, but I cant login (https://localhost:10000) because I don't know the standard login name/password and I can't find it anywhere....
[10:19] <thurston> and now have no idea how to get to it
[10:20] <Agrajag> tigger|nl: webmin needs a password for root
[10:20] <raetsel> it would be the root user tigger but that is disabled, your main ubuntu account can sudo
[10:20] <Agrajag> sudo passwd root will set it
[10:20] <thurston> have tried a few things suggested on the forum but to no avail
[10:21] <raetsel> I think in webmin you can delegate stuff to other users, maybe you should do that then switch the root account off again ( in keeping with ubuntu philosophy )
[10:22] <raetsel> see if this helps Thurston ( though I think it is only for partition magic related errors ) http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/16969/
[10:23] <thurston> ill try that then, cheers raetsel
[10:23] <raetsel> bbl
[10:23] <raetsel> afk
[10:25] <foznot> does anyone have a tip for turning audio on in vlc?
[10:25] <pngai> After downloading the linux-source and unpacking it. Are there any environment variables that need to be set?
[10:25] <nis> raetsel: how do u transition from a debian system with a root account to a no-root ubuntu system?
[10:25] <raetsel> back, did you miss me?
[10:26] <nis> (too late; saw the afk)
[10:26] <raetsel> nis, hmm well set an account up with the full sudo permissions then disable root. I guess. Never disabled root on a running system
[10:27] <nis> raetsel: I guess I could find the base package that establishes /etc/passwd shadow etc and do the edits by hand.
[10:28] <Redwraith111> hey all, does anyone know how to disable the accupoint 2 on a toshiba tecra s1
[10:28] <raetsel> hmm is root just there but with an unknown password? it shows something in the users and groups tool
[10:28] <Redwraith111> it is broken i guess and it is jumping around
[10:28] <Redwraith111> no
[10:28] <Redwraith111> root isnt activated.. if your talking about ubuntu off the bat
[10:29] <Redwraith111> the accupoint/touchpad just jumps arouind or gets stuck on the bottom (i move it and it jumps back) and even if a mouse is hooked up it wont detect.
[10:29] <ubuntu_user23> sudo apt-get install xine-ui doesn't work in my Hoary Hedgehog version of ubuntu.. is this because xine isn't yet supported in this new version of ubuntu?
[10:29] <bung__> doubtful
[10:29] <raetsel> ah right - Redwraithull
[10:29] <sh1mmer> does anyone know a reliable way to remove all the x components from hoary?
[10:29] <nis> Redwraith111: yes but define 'activated'
[10:29] <Redwraith111> how?
[10:29] <bung__> use debian? :)
[10:29] <Redwraith111> i want to DISABLE the touchpda and accu
[10:30] <Redwraith111> i jsut want to use a mouse
[10:30] <Redwraith111> because i am suspecting breakage
[10:30] <Redwraith111> the mouse works at the same time as the dualpoint
[10:30] <Redwraith111> but the dualpoint is broken so it randomly chooses a side to move to
[10:30] <Redwraith111> ho
[10:30] <Redwraith111> oh
[10:30] <Redwraith111> we were tlaking about the root account
[10:31] <Redwraith111> you have to set a password by using the sudo something or other passwd.. one sec ill look it up
[10:31] <raetsel> and a passwd -l to lock it amd -u to unlock it
[10:31] <Redwraith111> nis: sudo passwd root
[10:31] <Fackamato> someone please kickban PizdaChujKurwa
[10:31] <Redwraith111> then it will prompt for password
[10:32] <Fackamato> -PizdaChujKurwa/#ubuntu- X Fedora is the best linux distribution. Download now: http://fedora.redhat.com
[10:32] <raetsel> There  is a wiki all about htis http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:32] <Redwraith111> lol
[10:32] <Redwraith111> good someone got the link lol
[10:32] <Redwraith111> no one knows about the accupoint though eh?
[10:33] <raetsel> not at the minute redwraith
[10:33] <Redwraith111> and does anyone notice firefox is a little laggy?
[10:33] <Redwraith111> to open and such
[10:33] <hemphill> Does hoary have a firewall on by default?
[10:33] <Redwraith111> last question: how do you disable those black squares when you minimize a window
[10:33] <nis> Redwraith111: yes.  thanks. However, I want to do the opposite: I want to lockdown root as if I'd installed ubuntu native, instead of  transitioning off of Debian as I did.  I have a std root account now (I use it often for system maintenance).  Trying to learn the ubuntu way.
[10:33] <Redwraith111> no.
[10:33] <Fackamato> hemphill: no, install firestarter
[10:33] <Redwraith111> oh
[10:33] <Redwraith111> i completely formatted debian and installed a fresh ubuntu
[10:34] <Redwraith111> so i dont know
[10:34] <dumbhack> How can I determine the version of Postfix installed?
[10:34] <Redwraith111> last question: how do you disable those black squares when you minimize a window they go to slow because my computer is dumb...
[10:34] <_BIJ_> hi
[10:34] <nis> raetsel: tnx for wiki ptr!
[10:35] <jason> nis: setup sudo then make the root passwd random
[10:35] <raetsel> well there is nothing new under the sun, someone else has already worked out the answer. I'm just lazy :o)
[10:35] <nis> jason: is that canonical here? ;)
[10:35] <Redwraith111> anyone know how to get rid o fthe blackboxes animation when minimizing?
[10:35] <_BIJ_> one question: i want to install "gimp-2-2-4" from where do i get the apt-url in order to install it via apt-get... otherwise there are too many dependencie problems...
[10:35] <_BIJ_> ???
[10:36] <Redwraith111> just go gimp and shouldnt it get the packages for you?
[10:36] <ubuntu_user23> sudo apt-get install xine-ui doesn't work in my Hoary Hedgehog version of ubuntu.. is this because xine isn't yet supported in this new version of ubuntu?
[10:36] <bung__> doubtful
[10:36] <Redwraith111> lol bung didnt you say that already
[10:37] <bung__> :)
[10:37] <_BIJ_> Redwraith111, the gimp version for ubuntu is 2-2-2
[10:37] <Redwraith111> what about my question lol
[10:37] <jason> nis: I dont think so, isnt that what you asked for?
[10:37] <Redwraith111> oh ok
[10:37] <Redwraith111> those animations run slow and look bad
[10:37] <Redwraith111> hmm.
[10:37] <nis> jason: I want to know exactly how 'root is disabled' in ubuntu.
[10:37] <Redwraith111> not sure then bij
[10:37] <nis> details, man. ;)
[10:37] <_BIJ_> from where do i get the line i have to add to the apt-sources.list
[10:38] <nis> there's no pt to disabling root if you're not really doing it securely.
[10:38] <Redwraith111> the directory is /etc/apt/sources.list... you have that?
[10:38] <jason> nis: it technically isnt disabled
[10:38] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows where does vsftpd keep its default anonymous directory?
[10:38] <Redwraith111> nis: is it a large deal? because I have a root account I just have a hard password and a stealthing* firewall and router
[10:39] <jason> nis: I believe the passwd is just random with sudo set up
[10:39] <Redwraith111> hm
[10:39] <bung__> jason: I doubt that
[10:39] <raetsel> no jason I thin the account is locked with "passwd -l"
[10:39] <jason> nis: if you sudo passwd root, you have a root account
[10:39] <bung__> it's more likely root logins are fully disabled
[10:39] <jason> ahh
[10:40] <Redwraith111> ok NIS
[10:40] <Redwraith111> go to your passwd file
[10:40] <Redwraith111> and change the UID
[10:40] <Redwraith111> from 0 to something different
[10:40] <bung__> you crazy fool
[10:40] <Redwraith111> then the root account is just another account
[10:40] <Redwraith111> lol
[10:40] <raetsel> Redwraith, try this link for disabling the animation http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg01088.html
[10:40] <Redwraith111> To disable remote login access for your root user, edit the /etc/security/user file. Specify false as the rlogin value on the entry for root.
[10:41] <nis> Redwraith111: cool.
[10:42] <nis> I knew all that.  I thot ubuntu had done something *interesting and new*.  What they've really done is dumbed down the system. ;)
[10:43] <bung__> by disabling root access?
[10:43] <nis> Well they haven't changed anything, bung.
[10:43] <igraltist> hi
[10:43] <nis> In other words they're using passwd -l which isn't a new idea.
[10:44] <igraltist> i have debian sid, is ubuntu better to play games?
[10:44] <nis> from my pt of view, sudo isn't worth the bother.
[10:44] <robertj> igraltist: native games, wine, anything in particular?
[10:44] <raetsel> well sudo -s is as quick su - :o)
[10:44] <jason> nis: it is nice to use for users to have limited priverages
[10:44] <igraltist> games with cedega
[10:45] <robertj> jason: and it logs the cmds
[10:45] <bung__> discouraging new users from using root for everything is important
[10:45] <robertj> jason: so you can properly blame your co-worker ;)
[10:45] <bung__> otherwise they'll be surfing as root and so forth
[10:45] <jason> :)
[10:45] <nis> jason: that wiki  page raetsel cited really answered my Q.  it discusses the pros and cons of sudo use.
[10:45] <igraltist> i had read ubuntu is more for desctop build
[10:45] <nis> bung__: yea but let them!
[10:46] <robertj> lgraltist: hrmmm, dunno. If it plays nice I'd say its going to be better because at least Ubuntu's stable is usable on the desktop.
[10:46] <Redwraith111> nis: i dont sudo either
[10:46] <Redwraith111> i rather work in a terminal with su
[10:46] <Redwraith111> is there a way to shutdown x and jsut use the cmd line?
[10:46] <robertj> lgraltist: OTOH, if it has nasty deps and whines you might be forced into the depraved lifestyle of running unstable
[10:46] <bung__> ctrl-alt-backspace? :)
[10:47] <Redwraith111> that resets it
[10:47] <zenrox> Redwraith111, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:47] <Redwraith111> i want to USE the cmd line
[10:47] <nis> Redwraith111: about the only concession I make is that I never login to the linux virtual console as root; I su.
[10:47] <raetsel> an action replay: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:47] <Redwraith111> k.. then how can i start again?
[10:47] <munki> anybody ever tried to get a usbphone connect to linux ?
[10:47] <zenrox> put start at the end
[10:47] <jason> Redwraith111: CTRL-ALT-F1-2-3-4-5-6
[10:47] <Redwraith111> yeah.. i SU at a terminal
[10:47] <jason> x still runing
[10:47] <munki> made a modprobe for it, but can't find it in /dev/
[10:47] <nis> Redwraith111: of course u can shutdown X.
[10:47] <jason> Redwraith111: or change init
[10:48] <raetsel> jason, how do you get back to the X session after the CTRL-ALT-F1 etc?
[10:48] <jason> f7
[10:48] <jason> alt-f7
[10:48] <raetsel> cool jason, can never remember what it was
[10:49] <igraltist> robertj, ok i must more read about ubuntu und how  the dist-upgrade from sid
[10:49] <nis> Redwraith111: edit /etc/inittab to add more getty lines to the virtual console.
[10:49] <Trixisity> Does anybody know where my mozilla-firefoz plugin directory would be?
[10:49] <robertj> lgraltist: i'd stick with ubuntu and install the bare minimum needed out of sid
[10:49] <raetsel> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox I think  Trix
[10:49] <raetsel> then a dir called plugins
[10:49] <robertj> googling seems to indicate that cedega works ok
[10:49] <munki> Trixisity : try finding it with 'whereis firefox'
[10:50] <robertj> I'm still kinda bumbed out that wine can't play HOMM3 for win32 ;)
[10:50] <Trixisity> Thanks all
[10:50] <Trixisity> found it
[10:50] <Trixisity> used to SuSe :s
[10:50] <munki> robertj  : Cedega can :)
[10:50] <robertj> btw, Ubuntu passed Fedora on distrowatch today :)
[10:50] <nis> Redwraith111: and also 'kill -HUP 1' as root after editing inittab
[10:50] <raetsel> review of Cadega here http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005031300326RVDTGM seemed quite postive
[10:51] <robertj> munki: yeah but I don't want to pay for something that will just go away at some point.
[10:51] <robertj> getting bochs up and going is probably what I need for HOMM3 and Worms
[10:51] <linux_galore> yeah Fedora has some bad kama with users right now
[10:51] <linux_galore> not hard to do
[10:52] <munki> robertj : okay, I never paid a cent :) and i'm running HOMM4 on Cedega
[10:52] <sig> is there a net install if you don't have a floppy or a cd drive for ubuntu?
[10:52] <linux_galore> karma*
[10:52] <robertj> munki: ?
[10:52] <robertj> (is 4 worth getting, i've heard 3 is the better game by far)
[10:53] <linux_galore> sig: havent seen one...... you will have to use debian
[10:53] <munki> robertj : used my friends account to install HOMM4, and don't need to use the account to play
[10:53] <Redwraith111> lol guys that didnt work
[10:53] <Redwraith111> haha
[10:53] <munki> robertj : off cause HOMM4 is better than HOMM3 , but they are both old games !
[10:53] <Redwraith111> i had to reboot because it says the xserver was already running
[10:54] <robertj> munki: I bought it a year after it was out and it's still a great game
[10:54] <robertj> plays fine under SP 2
[10:54] <Redwraith111> ubuntu was alot easier than debian for installing fglrx drivers
[10:54] <munki> robertj : okay :) HOMM is a great game, never expires...
[10:54] <robertj> yeah, but is it a better game than 3 or just different?
[10:54] <munki> robertj : else Cedega isn't any expencive to use
[10:55] <Redwraith111> lol can wine run mohaa? or do i have to buy cedega
[10:55] <robertj> I'd love a wine compatability list for Ubuntu
[10:55] <munki> Wine is bad for playing games !
[10:55] <linux_galore> if you pay monthly cedega is pretty cheap......only need to pay for 3 months subscription and cedega is yours to keep
[10:55] <kensai> Redwraith111, build cedega from source it's free
[10:55] <Redwraith111> if i knew how
[10:55] <robertj> I'll definately take my 3 games and see how they do with Hoary when it hits stable
[10:55] <Redwraith111> is it a tarball?
[10:55] <kensai> cvs
[10:56] <Redwraith111> hoary is pretty much stable robertj
[10:56] <Redwraith111> hm
[10:56] <topyli> robertj: i doubt it's a distro issue, wine is wine
[10:56] <robertj> Red: I know, I've been running it for months
[10:56] <Redwraith111> im gonna need a walkthrough lol
[10:56] <robertj> topyli: I know but versions change
[10:56] <linux_galore> Redwraith111:  www.frankscorner.org
[10:56] <Redwraith111> forok
[10:56] <robertj> and google indicates taht Homm3 worked at one time, but now it does not
[10:56] <linux_galore> everything wine is there
[10:56] <kensai> Redwraith111, there is a walkthrough google
[10:56] <Redwraith111> and cedega
[10:56] <Redwraith111> thanks kensai haha
[10:56] <sic|> robertj: or you could just biuld a dedicated game box...only thing I have a windows box for is games...nothing else is even installed on it
[10:57] <topyli> robertj: sure. you get the wine release that runs your apps. the distros ship whatever seems to be available at relase time
[10:57] <nis> Redwraith111: I often start a second xserver to hot-key into when 'mom' shows up and there's um questionable graphics on the screen.  I have a wholesome environment at-the-ready with a single keybinding. ;)
[10:57] <robertj> sic: yeah, the only time I really play though is when I visit my parents so it has to be the laptop ;)
[10:57] <linux_galore> frankscorner is one of the best wine/crossover/cedega hack sites Ive seen
[10:57] <kensai> the best tool of a linux user should be google
[10:57] <Redwraith111> how can you run anothe rx server?
[10:57] <Redwraith111> you HAVE to tell me that
[10:57] <linux_galore> www.google.com/linux   the must know Linux tool
[10:57] <raetsel> amen to that kensai
[10:57] <Redwraith111> just for other uses
[10:57] <sippeter> HELP HELP: Where is this from: "Uppy, Stewie wants to go uppy"?
[10:57] <Redwraith111> i agree
[10:57] <Redwraith111> but it takes work lol sometimes
[10:57] <Redwraith111> anyway running another xserver? how
[10:57] <Redwraith111> lol
[10:57] <raetsel> and the google groups as well
[10:58] <kensai> gentoo gives cedega free from portage
[10:58] <Redwraith111> cedega from cvs.. is that eaaaaaasy
[10:58] <Redwraith111> lol
[10:58] <raetsel> well bye for now
[10:58] <raetsel> goodnight
[10:59] <linux_galore> Ive got a machine running Vidalinux.....its basically Gentoo made easy
[10:59] <Redwraith111> nis: how do i set up another x server? i would imagine is slow
[10:59] <robertj> old games are awesome, I remember how my monstrous p 133 with 64 megs of ram could play the 64 meg maps but none of my firneds could
[10:59] <topyli> Redwraith111: just run it. you can run as many X servers you like (if i understand what you mean)
[10:59] <Redwraith111> i thought you could only run one x server
[10:59] <Trixisity> It's kinda irritating, that mozilla keeps asking me on several sites to install the application/x-java-vm plugin, has anybody solved that/
[10:59] <kensai> Redwraith111, maybe you can take a cedega tarball from a gentoo portage mirror and ./configure && make && make install
[10:59] <Redwraith111> nah i got hte cvs instructions
[10:59] <robertj> I made a map a few years ago that took 10 minutes to cross with the main unit ;)
[10:59] <Redwraith111> have*
[11:00] <Redwraith111> is there a cvs package on ubuntu repos?
[11:00] <nis> Redwraith111: not slow at all.  I generally copy the exec ${HOME}/startx.d/_startx -- :1 > ~/startx.errorlog 2>&1 &startx script to _startx and then:
[11:00] <Redwraith111> i can just stick with what igot
[11:00] <Redwraith111> ill write a kill script
[11:00] <robertj> ok guys been fun, check yall around tonight
[11:00] <Redwraith111> or somethign
[11:00] <nis> bad paste
[11:01] <kensai> I just realized today thta from nearly 400 distros there existe there are only like 5 which are good
[11:01] <nis> Redwraith111: not slow at all.  I generally copy the startx script to ~/startx.d/_startx and then:  exec ${HOME}/startx.d/_startx -- :1 > ~/startx.errorlog 2>&1 &
[11:01] <Redwraith111> do you guys have to click on the title bar to bring a window to front or did i mess a setting?
[11:01] <petemc> kensai: good is relative
[11:01] <nis> Redwraith111: so the essential is (at the console) 'startx -- :1'
[11:01] <kensai> but is a better statistic than windows cause there only exist one and is worthless
[11:02] <geneo93> there all good just different use for them
[11:02] <sic|> Trixisity, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16230&postcount=48
[11:02] <Redwraith111> YES kensai
[11:02] <Redwraith111> im setting that s my msn
[11:02] <Trixisity> thanks sic
[11:02] <Brunellus> hey all.
[11:03] <sippeter> Fuck.
[11:03] <Brunellus> anybody running fluxbox in the house?
[11:03] <topyli> kensai: of the 400, probably 350 are very special-purpose custom distros to do one thing. then there's 40 beginners and 10 that count as something for the general public
[11:03] <sippeter> sowwy.
[11:04] <Redwraith111> lol
[11:04] <Redwraith111> i am installing flux tomorrow
[11:04] <Redwraith111> i want to play with it again
[11:04] <Redwraith111> im too busy tonight
[11:04] <kensai> topyli, and you take gentoo and make the one you need and don't need the othe 300+ worthless distros
[11:04] <syn-ack> The last time I ran flux, I was running Gentoo on my old G3 333 /w 98 Megs RAM
[11:05] <topyli> kensai: probably. i'm used to customizing debian for any purpose i'm building a box for :)
[11:05] <nis> Redwraith111: title-bar clicking is a function of your chosen window-manager.  Each has it's own idea about this.
[11:05] <Brunellus> I'm running flux now, and liking it
[11:05] <Brunellus> although.
[11:06] <kensai> topyli, good one debian and gentoo are the best to customize your needs I'm in love with both debian when I feel like not compiling in the box I put it ;)
[11:06] <nis> I like sawfish.
[11:06] <Brunellus> I'm trying to work out how to make it run dockapps when it starts without those same apps running when I run gnome
[11:06] <andrewski> xfwm4 rocks the house!
[11:06] <topyli> Brunellus: in ubuntu, do you get the debian menu when you install fluxbox or E or another simple window manager, or do you have to build a menu?
[11:06] <syn-ack> a base Gentoo install is about 1 gig, thats not bad if Im running something "custom" and I dont mind taking the space. For all other "custom" installs its Debian, seeing that I can get a base install of that down to about 500 megs
[11:06] <Brunellus> topyli:  you will have to build a menu.
[11:07] <nis> I use 'wmsetbg' from windowmaker tho.
[11:07] <geneo93> Brunellus:  you need some kde apps for that
[11:07] <topyli> kensai: yes
[11:07] <topyli> Brunellus: ah. not too bad still, at least with E
[11:07] <Brunellus> do NOT use the fluxbox .deb on the warty repositories
[11:07] <Brunellus> it is ANCIENT.  find a 0.9.12 .deb;  things will run nicely.
[11:07] <kensai> which version is enlightenment in ubuntu?
[11:07] <syn-ack> or if Im building my custom routers with a Soekris, I use Peanut linux
[11:08] <syn-ack> kensai: the same one thats in the rest of the world. E 16
[11:08] <syn-ack> kensai: I *highly* doubt E 17 would be in there.
[11:08] <nis> topyli: the 'menu' package does that I believe.
[11:08] <Brunellus> geneo:  why KDE apps?
[11:09] <topyli> kensai: nobody has E more recent than .16 i guess, except real E sportsmen :)
[11:09] <kensai> syn-ack, I was using e17 alpha in gentoo a few days ago from cvs and is going to impress everybody is so awesome
[11:09] <topyli> nis: comes with universe :)
[11:09] <Brunellus> what I'm looking for is a way to fudge the init script so that it runs wmix and wmcpuload when flux starts
[11:09] <Brunellus> but otherwise does nothing if I want to run gnome
[11:09] <geneo93> Brunellus:  fluxbox uses them
[11:09] <ikaro> sorry. fixed.
[11:09] <nis> topyli: for example I have full menus in blackbox (forced to use it because sawfish is broken until I finish the upgrade to ubuntu).
[11:10] <syn-ack> kensai: inho, E 17 is like the HURD... its the WM of the future... The future will never come though
[11:10] <Redwraith111> how is kubuntu guys?
[11:10] <topyli> kensai: E17 is very neat, i just hope it will be usable one day :(
[11:10] <Roey> Redwraith111:  ok
[11:10] <Riddell> Redwraith111: we're very well thanks
[11:10] <apokryphos> Redwraith111: great. :)
[11:10] <kensai> syn-ack, the hurd is the future in like 10 years more if they don't switch kernels again
[11:10] <Roey> apokryphos:  aren't you speaking on #kubuntu as well
[11:10] <Redwraith111> nice
[11:10] <Redwraith111> i like gnome
[11:11] <Redwraith111> ill try it someday
[11:11] <syn-ack> kensai: thats my point. :)
[11:11] <apokryphos> Roey: I am. :)
[11:11] <topyli> nis: i'm also quite accustomed to the (admittedly pretty unwiedly) debian menu by now, so that should be enough for me
[11:11] <syn-ack> kensai: Ive used Gnome since I was using RedHat 5.2.
[11:11] <kensai> syn-ack, ;)
[11:11] <Brunellus> geneo:  again, what do the kde apps have to do with what I'm trying to do?
[11:11] <syn-ack> kensai: Im quite fine with that. :D
[11:12] <syn-ack> Hell, Im thinking about using SawFish as Gnome's WM like back in the day.
[11:12] <geneo93> i dunno what your trying to do
[11:12] <neighborlee> I dont need concensus of a hundred people here LOL but just wondering what email client you all use and why...
[11:12] <topyli> syn-ack: i always reverted back to E before gnome got to 2.2 or so
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> I use evolution and mutt
[11:12] <topyli> then it got better
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> evolution because it's easy
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> mutt because it rocks
[11:12] <nis> topyli: I generally use the Debian menu only to remind me of what's on the system; I launch everything in an xterm tho. ;)
[11:12] <neighborlee> I love evo but its horriby buggy here in hoary
[11:13] <andrewski> neighborlee: horribly buggy?
[11:13] <syn-ack> Evolution, bucause I thought all the others with the exception of mutt suck
[11:13] <garrut> thunderbird for me
[11:13] <neighborlee> andrewski, horribly buggy yes
[11:13] <kensai> syn-ack, gnome rulez
[11:13] <andrewski> neighborlee: which version are you using?
[11:13] <topyli> nis: well it's hard to find stuff on menus anyway :)
[11:13] <neighborlee> andrewski, it woudn't even 'reply' to emails right without giving a relay error and its crashed way too much
[11:13] <neighborlee> andrewski, latest that came with hoary
[11:13] <nis> topyli: The debian menu comes into its own when a visitor pops in and wants to use my machine tho.
[11:13] <neighborlee> andrewski, 2.2.1.1
[11:14] <topyli> nis: well yes, it does have _everything_ in there :)
[11:14] <syn-ack> The only thing I use mutt for nowadays is internal mail though
[11:14] <Anubis> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages
[11:14] <Anubis>   404 Not Found
[11:14] <nis> syn-ack: I've been using sawfish since I first saw it in GNOME yrs ago.  I like it.
[11:14] <EsK> hey how can i check my computer specs
[11:14] <andrewski> neighborlee: well, 2.2 is the latest stable version, maybe you should downgrade.  or, perhaps more stable would be going back to the 2.0 version.  using packages in hoary is hit-or-miss, and evo 2.1 was a development version, so i'm not sure what you expected. :P
[11:14] <syn-ack> nis: Those were the days.....
[11:14] <neighborlee> andrewski, its also slow'ish I find to respond to things unlike sylpheed or say thunderbird..but it might be that what came with hoary is bleeding edge and to be expected I dont know
[11:14] <Silvergun> so why cant you people give firefox its real fucking icon instead of some ulgy blue world that's missing the firefox
[11:15] <EsK> lol
[11:15] <EsK> true that
[11:15] <ells> anyone familiar with acidrip
[11:15] <kensai> Silvergun, the icon is not gpl
[11:15] <sippeter> My braces hurt.
[11:15] <andrewski> neighborlee: well, it's larger.  you could try balsa: email only, but still GTK+2.
[11:15] <nis> EsK: dmesg ?
[11:15] <Trixisity> wget http://copy.the.correct/url/from/your/browser
[11:15] <EsK> what
[11:15] <neighborlee> andrewski, I expect them to ship half way stable versions frankly even if its hoary ;-) ( considering hoary is stabalizing nicely now ) but hey that just me <wink>
[11:15] <Trixisity> what would he mean with that
[11:16] <warmfreeze> hi everyone
[11:16] <andrewski> neighborlee: if evo releases it, it ends up in hoary.  until hoary is stable, you can't expect stable *upstream* software...
[11:16] <syn-ack> Silvergun: iirc, the icon is NPL not GPL
[11:16] <Silvergun> kensai: oh. well tons other apps get their real icons, and the icon is seriously one of the coolest things about firefox.
[11:16] <ells> anyone familiar with the program acidrip
[11:16] <EsK> hey, can someone send me that script that shows you the computer specs
[11:16] <neighborlee> andrewski, yeah I know evo does quite a bit indeed and sadly thunderbird doesn't handle global filters making it rather pita to setup..can't win LOL
[11:16] <andrewski> ells: you can usually take silence as no. :P
[11:16] <Silvergun> so...figure out a way around it :P
[11:16] <andrewski> neighborlee: i'd suggest balsa... again.
[11:16] <warmfreeze> this is the coolest OS sence BeOS
[11:16] <warmfreeze> lol
[11:17] <ells> andrewski: are you trying to be rude man
[11:17] <neighborlee> andrewski, I might try just grabbing evo earlier and see or just go with thunderbird shrug....
[11:17] <kensai> Silvergun, nah is just one of my guess but the real firefox icon is not even used in gentoo
[11:17] <syn-ack> Silvergun: call Netscape and bitch at them if it makes you that mad.
[11:17] <neighborlee> andrewski, hmmm yes I know of balsa..Ill take a look
[11:17] <andrewski> ells: no, sorry.
[11:17] <ells> andrewski, just hoping someone had some answers. Will check back later
[11:17] <Silvergun> ite i will do that. thx
[11:17] <ells> andrewski, it is all good
[11:18] <andrewski> ells: it's just that typically repeating your question so soon after asking can be annoying. :)
[11:18] <Anubis> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages
[11:18] <Anubis>   404 Not Found
[11:18] <kensai> Silvergun, tell us what response you get from the netscape people
[11:18] <andrewski> ells: but no sweat; i'm not trying to be a pain.
[11:18] <nis> ells: nothing is all good /pedant
[11:18] <Anubis> anyone have a hoary-update link in there apt source list?
[11:18] <syn-ack> kensai: no doubt that I would love to hear it. :)
[11:18] <Silvergun> kensai: k
[11:18] <ells> andreski, undestand, but sometimes when people typ over you and the text seems to sometimes get lost or unanswered
[11:18] <kensai> LOL
[11:18] <Silvergun> but wait, netscape and not mozilla?
[11:19] <syn-ack> Silvergun: Netscape OWNS mozilla
[11:19] <Silvergun> word
[11:19] <kensai> Silvergun, netscape are the fathers of mozilla
[11:19] <Silvergun> wait, ima check /. archives on the firefox icon
[11:19] <syn-ack> I thought everyone knew that.
[11:19] <Silvergun> i remember seeing somethign abotu it
[11:19] <Silvergun> I did
[11:19] <Silvergun> but i was jsut thinking mozilla would be in greater contact with the users
[11:19] <EsK> how do you pernounce mozilla, is it like, moh ZIL LAAA or like mozeeah
[11:20] <syn-ack> I dont see what the fuss is about for a damned icon anyway
[11:20] <Silvergun> EsK: dictionary.com
[11:20] <Silvergun> i thin it's MO zilla
[11:20] <syn-ack> its mo zilla
[11:20] <EsK> ok
[11:20] <geneo93> u can use any icon you want
[11:21] <EsK> where can u find a script that shows your comp specs
[11:21] <nis> mo ZIL a
[11:22] <syn-ack> Mozilla           [Derived from "{Mosaic} killer/Godzilla"?] 
[11:22] <nis> EsK: dmesg
[11:22] <EsK> wtf is dmesg
[11:22] <andril> hello all
[11:22] <syn-ack> There you have it. Straight from dict
[11:22] <geneo93> just stick it in /usr/share/pixmaps/
[11:22] <nis> Mosaic was nice back in the day.
[11:22] <syn-ack> EsK: man dmesg
[11:22] <nis> Esk try it.
[11:23] <EsK> im not linux, this is my windows bot
[11:23] <EsK> box*
[11:23] <EsK> i got this box made for me, and i dont know the specs and i was just wondering
[11:23] <syn-ack> EsK: then let google be your friend.
[11:23] <EsK> i've been doing that
[11:24] <topyli> EsK: here's one: http://siltala.net/system-info.sh -- didn't write it, found it on the web. it tells you pretty much
[11:24] <nis> EsK: something in Control Panel maybe.
[11:24] <warmfreeze> bbl ..goign to go try this live CD
[11:25] <syn-ack> Man, Im in love with this box.
[11:26] <andril> does any one know the name of the Dock for gnome?
[11:26] <Silvergun> syn-ack, kensai, etc: it's something to do with its trademark
[11:26] <Silvergun> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/02/msg01877.html
[11:26] <Silvergun> from debian itself^
[11:26] <syn-ack> andril: gnome-panel
[11:27] <Silvergun> Unfortunately it seems these icons and even
[11:27] <Silvergun> the name "Firefox" (and Mozilla even) are trademarked and can't be
[11:27] <Silvergun> used except with the official builds or permission of the Mozilla
[11:27] <Silvergun> Foundation (see http://mozilla.org/foundation/licensing.html and
[11:27] <Silvergun> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=50876)
[11:28] <njan> according to the wpa howto on the ubuntu wiki, wpasupplicant is in universe, but I don't see it; is it in hoary and not warty or something?
[11:28] <Silvergun> that's what i thought all along, kinda ghey
[11:28] <Silvergun> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/genocider/firefox_abstract_01_png.png kewl
[11:29] <cavediver> Hi. How do I disble the Nvidia logo under Hoary. I've added Option "NoLogo" "True" under Device section with no luck.
[11:30] <syn-ack> cavediver: for the most part you dont.
[11:30] <njan> cavediver, 1, not True.
[11:30] <Silvergun> uhhh...
[11:30] <njan> cavediver,         Option "NoLogo" "1" # Disable nVidia splash logo on starting X. <= that's what I have in my XF86Config-4
[11:30] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[11:30] <cavediver> njan: ok will do that, Thanks
[11:30] <njan> Silvergun, server split. One freenode server has decided not to talk to another. :)
[11:30] <njan> cavediver, yw
[11:30] <Silvergun> njan: I know lol
[11:31] <njan> Silvergun, :p
[11:31] <Silvergun> just funny when it happens in the middle of a convo
[11:31] <njan> Silvergun, indeed.
[11:31] <BockBilbo> hello??
[11:31] <njan> kornbluth has done this a few times today iirc. I wonder if freenode is being DoS'd again
[11:31] <njan> BockBilbo, hi.
[11:31] <Silvergun> njan: just curious, why are you stuck in xfree?
[11:31] <njan> Silvergun, running warty.
[11:31] <Silvergun> ah, not by choice
[11:32] <BockBilbo> ... can anyone tell me what does the first 3 mean in this "ls -ld /home/ftpsite" command result ??? : drwx------    3 virtual  virtual      4096 Jul 30 00:39 /home/ftpsite
[11:32] <njan> Silvergun, the reason I run ubuntu is because I don't want to break shit. I've been running xorg for ~18 months straight, but I need stable software, and I'm not hacking warty to bits just so I can use xfree in the few weeks before hoary's released :)
[11:32] <darkling> BockBilbo: It's the number of links to the file.
[11:32] <BockBilbo> of links?
[11:32] <BockBilbo> darkling, which kind of links?
[11:32] <njan> BockBilbo, hard/soft links.
[11:32] <Silvergun> aye
[11:32] <darkling> Hardlinks.
[11:33] <darkling> (_not_ softlinks)
[11:33] <njan> darkling, no? didn't know that
[11:33] <njan> BockBilbo, man ln
[11:33] <darkling> In this case, it's got one link from the parent directory,
[11:33] <njan> darkling, I suppose that makes sense, though.
[11:33] <darkling> one from the "." it contains, and one from a ".." in a directory inside it, I think.
[11:34] <Smeven> hi\
[11:34] <Smeven> I was wondering if libflash worked at all in amd64?
[11:34] <cavediver> Actually the NoLogo 1 didn't work. Is there another option in Hoary ?
[11:35] <cavediver> Smeven: I don't get flash to work on my system either
[11:35] <Silvergun> did you try it with the quotes
[11:35] <cavediver> yes
[11:35] <cavediver> Option "NoLogo" "1"
[11:35] <cavediver> Under device
[11:35] <Silvergun> prolly something different in xorg
[11:35] <cavediver> really strange.
[11:35] <cavediver> Maybe.
[11:35] <Dillweed> cavediver: did you restart X
[11:35] <cavediver> yes
[11:36] <cavediver> maybe that option is changed in x.org
[11:36] <Smeven> cavediver: i load the plugin and it just crashes firefox
[11:36] <_kees_> .
[11:36] <cavediver> oh ok
[11:36] <Dillweed> cavediver: here is the command from nvidia.com readme
[11:36] <Dillweed> cavediver: Option "NoLogo" "boolean"
[11:37] <cavediver> Yes i know. And from what i recall, it did work in Warty
[11:37] <Dillweed> cavediver: so I think you would do this option "NoLogo" "true"
[11:37] <cavediver> But after an upgrade it doesn't work
[11:37] <cavediver> Tried true
[11:37] <Dillweed> cavediver: then do a clt-alt-backspace
[11:37] <Smeven> Anyone know how I go about getting the flash plugin working on amd64
[11:37] <cavediver> Don't work
[11:38] <Dillweed> cavediver: what did u update?
[11:38] <burbuja> hi all
[11:38] <cavediver> from warty to hoary
[11:38] <cavediver> from xfree to x.org
[11:38] <Dillweed> cavediver: what does your xorg.conf say?
[11:38] <Dillweed> cavediver: can you dcc it the file to me?
[11:39] <cavediver> Dillweed: will put it on the web, hang on
[11:39] <Dillweed> k
[11:39] <njan> cavediver, the option doesn't change, xfree => xorg. My config file has been identical for both for the last ~6 months, apart from font-specific stuff.
[11:39] <njan> cavediver, No Logo 1 should work.
[11:40] <cavediver> strange
[11:40] <cavediver> http://helium.terminal.se/dump/XF86Config
[11:41] <Dillweed> cavediver: are you using xorg.conf or xf86config for the config file for X?
[11:41] <cavediver> hang on.. is it the wrong file I'm editing !!
[11:41] <cavediver> ohh, maybe that is the problem :
[11:41] <cavediver> I assume it was the same config as before..
[11:41] <cavediver> Aaaaahhh
[11:41] <Dillweed> cavediver: xorg use xorg.conf
[11:41] <cavediver> i see
[11:41] <cavediver> :)
[11:41] <cavediver> No wonder
[11:41] <njan> cavediver, :)
[11:41] <Dillweed> cavediver: your xorg log should show what file it is parsing.
[11:42] <phxguy> Can anyone help with the modprobe error??? I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide but i am still getting the error
[11:42] <Dillweed> phxguy: what is the error?
[11:43] <andril> hello all
[11:43] <phxguy> Dillweed: would the error show up in the system logs??? dont remember the whole thing but it says modeprobe fatal ..... device does not exist
[11:43] <syn-ack> phxguy: it will show in dmesg
[11:43] <Dillweed> phxguy: the only thing that I know about modprobe is if the hardware isn't there the module won't load
[11:44] <phxguy> hmmm
[11:45] <marcin_ant> hi all
[11:45] <marcin_ant> short question
[11:45] <shubist> congrats on knocking Fedora down on distrowatch.
[11:45] <Dillweed> but geez i really fedora and those rpm;s
[11:45] <marcin_ant> when can I find good howto about printer sharing on ubuntu?
[11:46] <marcin_ant> I got desktop with printer shared with samba
[11:46] <syn-ack> YAY! the net is unsplitting
[11:46] <njan> Goddamnit.. bittorrent is like Zeno's paradox, the transfer rate just keeps going down in the last 5%...
[11:46] <EsK> anyone got a script to show your comp specs to everyone
[11:47] <phxguy> anybody else have any ideas about modprobe fatal errors
[11:47] <Dillweed> esk: look on www.mircscripts.org
[11:47] <EsK> ] i did
[11:47] <Elysium_> phxguy, yes, wrong module, wrong hardware
[11:47] <Dillweed> tons there.
[11:47] <syn-ack> SYSTEM GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, GLIBC 2.3.2 | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+, 1658Mhz, 256KB cache, 3284 BMIPs | RAM 181MB of 1520MB Used | SWAP 0MB of 847MB Used | STORAGE 114G reiserfs, 761M tmpfs, 45M ext2 | UPTIME 1 Day, 17 Hrs, 52 Mins | LOAD 0.06 0.04 0.00
[11:47] <syn-ack> Like that?
[11:47] <EsK> yeah
[11:48] <EsK> wait no
[11:48] <phxguy> Elysium_: well how do i find out what its trying to load?
[11:48] <EsK> uh
[11:48] <Dillweed> your not using xchat though
[11:48] <EsK> yeah
[11:48] <EsK> nvm
[11:48] <EsK> anyone mirc scripts
[11:48] <Elysium_> phxguy, start from the beginning. what are you trying to do?
[11:48] <^thehatsrule^> EsK... theres a hell a lot of mirc scritps that does that
[11:48] <EsK> well i cant find any
[11:48] <Dillweed> EsK: try google.  Or use the nnscript
[11:48] <syn-ack> EsK: I would NEVER use mIRC on anything.
[11:48] <^thehatsrule^> then you dont know www.google.com
[11:48] <Nermal> EsK: google mirc sysinfo
[11:48] <Nermal> just use xchat on doze
[11:48] <phxguy> when i boot up i get modprobe Fatal  ...... device does not exist
[11:49] <Elysium_> and is that messing up anything?
[11:49] <Dillweed> phxguy: the wrong module is loading for your hardware
[11:49] <phxguy> Elysium_: it mentions something about pcielp
[11:49] <Elysium_> or you just want to get rid of the message?
[11:49] <syn-ack> phxguy: thats ok. thats hotplug
[11:49] <phxguy> but i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide for the error and i still get it
[11:50] <syn-ack> Its not loading the pci-x driver.
[11:50] <Elysium_> yea
[11:50] <Elysium_> usplash would be a nice hood to cover these messages :)
[11:50] <Elysium_> can't wait
[11:50] <phxguy> syn-ack: could this be the reason why my External USB drive doesn't always show up on my desktop???
[11:50] <syn-ack> phxguy: you didnt follow it correctly then, because that needs to be blacklisted.
[11:51] <phxguy> well I added it to the end of the file with those other things and saved the file....
[11:51] <phxguy> I will double check it suppose
[11:52] <EsK> [Operating System] :-[WinXP Pro (5.1 - 2600)]  [CPU] :-[1-AMD , 1499MHz, 256KB]  [RAM] :-[Usage: 175/512MB (34.18%)]  [Uptime] :-[Now: 24mins 7secs] -[Record: ]  [Resolution] :-[1024x768 32bit 60Hz] 
[11:52] <EsK> [Free Space] :-[C 33.86/38.33GB] -[Total 33.86/38.33GB] 
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> EsK: please do not do that
[11:52] <EsK> my bad i was just checking
[11:52] <syn-ack> thats some uptime.
[11:52] <Elysium_> syn-ack, HAHA
[11:52] <EsK> whats is mean by 1-amd
[11:52] <^thehatsrule^> 1 cpu...
[11:53] <Elysium_> cpu 1 probably
[11:53] <shubist> sweet, i found 50 blank cds in my brothers room. I now have 50 blank rewritable cds
[11:53] <Elysium_> heh
[11:53] <Elysium_> I'm glad you're not my brother
[11:53] <syn-ack> shubist: nothing like a lil jack to make the home a happy place. :p
[11:53] <shubist> haha
[11:53] <Elysium_> "I found a girl in my bros room, now I have a girlfriend!"
[11:53] <shubist> LOLl
[11:54] <aspire> hello
[11:54] <aspire> i am using ubuntu
[11:54] <aspire> and have a windowze machine
[11:55] <aspire> Elysium_,
[11:55] <aspire> thanks
[11:55] <aspire> can you give me a hand here
[11:55] <phxguy> > # Added 21MAR05 - UbuntuGuide
[11:55] <phxguy> > pcihelp
[11:55] <phxguy> > shpchp
[11:55] <phxguy> > hw_random
[11:55] <phxguy> syn-ack: here is what i have in the blacklist file :::
[11:55] <aspire> i am connecting it peer to peer
[11:55] <nis> hehe
[11:55] <Elysium_> aspire, ask your question! :)
[11:55] <aspire> but they dont finde eachother
[11:56] <Nermal> aspire: crossover cable ?
[11:56] <Nermal> and they can't ping each other ?
[11:56] <aspire> Elysium_, no usb2 datalink
[11:56] <Nermal> HAR
[11:56] <Nermal> GFL
[11:56] <Elysium_> uhh
[11:56] <aspire> Nermal, usb2 datalink
[11:56] <Nermal> use ethernet :P
[11:56] <aspire> no i cant ping
[11:56] <Nermal> much easier :)
[11:57] <aspire> Nermal, i dont have ethernet but i hav usb2 and would like to use it
[11:57] <andrewski> is this forum descending into partial sentences and unintelligible drivel?
[11:57] <Jesterace> host[mana]  os[Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 - Debian 3.1]  up[41 minutes]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+, 1916.547 MHz (3801.08 bogomips)]    cache[512 KB]  mem[399.67/1012.24 MB (39.5%)]  users[1]  load[0.16]  procs[71]  swap[0.00/486.30 MB (0.0%)]  disk[23330.94/302610.68 MB (7.7%) (WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0)]  video[ at 1600x1200 (24 bits)]    xchat[Version: 2.4.1]   eth0[in: 19.14 MB, out: 1.09 MB] 
[11:57] <phxguy> any ideas syn-ack ???
[11:57] <aspire> so i have the device set up drivers and the usb0 is up
[11:58] <aspire> still cant ping each other
[11:58] <bob2> Jesterace: please don't
[11:58] <aspire> what am i doing wrong Nermal
[11:59] <aspire> Elysium_, do you know
[11:59] <nis> bbl.
[11:59] <Brunellus> flux users?
[11:59] <Elysium_> aspire, I have never setup peer 2 peer usb hat way .. I'm not sure if you would need proprietary driver
[11:59] <Elysium_> aspire, did you have to install any drivers on the windows side?
[11:59] <aspire> yes
[11:59] <aspire> but i have the drivers installed
[12:00] <aspire> and it works