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| Riddell | dates for your diaries people http://dot.kde.org/1111445162/ | 12:21 |
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| Riddell | Saturday 27th of August to Sunday 4th of September | 12:21 |
| Riddell | also akademy call for papers, just incase anyone has anything interesting to talk about | 12:22 |
| haggai | Riddell: re your kde 3.4 work you said you would do earlier after the website - please update your status when you start stuff, not when you finish. Amu said he ended up duplicating some of your work before he realised you had done something | 12:30 |
| haggai | Riddell: also, lets try and assign a bug to ourselves when we start work on it | 12:30 |
| Riddell | haggai: good plan | 12:30 |
| haggai | thanks | 12:31 |
| amu | haggai: .. in addtion apokryphos will help with bugtracking | 12:32 |
| Riddell | woo, go apokaway | 12:35 |
| amu | haggai: you should tell Riddell about our telefon-meeting ... another thing was, checking the kde-braches commits, meanwhile there are a lot of, some of them will fix our bugs | 12:36 |
| Riddell | another good idea | 12:36 |
| haggai | amu: hey tell him yourself :P | 12:36 |
| amu | haggai: hahahaah :) you're the boss | 12:36 |
| haggai | amu: ok. as boss I tell you to tell him muahahaaa | 12:37 |
| haggai | Riddell: I suggested we document how to pull those changes in from the branch so we all do it the same way | 12:37 |
| amu | haggai: i'll explain apokaway tomorrow about his new job | 12:38 |
| amu | Kamion: looks like the kubuntu-dvd's need your love | 12:46 |
| amu | setup of kubuntu.de ; done | 12:47 |
| Kamion | amu: they needed me to, er, run "crontab ~/cdimage/etc/crontab", d'oh | 12:47 |
| Kamion | amu: running by hand now | 12:47 |
| amu | Kamion: i'm also able to run it by hand? | 12:49 |
| Kamion | amu: no | 12:49 |
| Kamion | you don't have an account on little ... | 12:50 |
| amu | Kamion: what's about, define a amu-login which exec the crontab? | 12:50 |
| Kamion | amu: you'll have to talk to elmo about that; but is it so hard to go through me or mdz? we cover most timezones between us | 12:54 |
| haggai | arrgh it seems there are no rsyncable servers that have kubuntu images | 12:55 |
| elmo | mirnyy's load's almost back under control | 12:55 |
| elmo | and if it's super urgent you can use auckland.w.h.c, but don't expect that to work for much longer | 12:56 |
| haggai | @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later | 12:57 |
| haggai | time to wget overnight I guess | 12:58 |
| elmo | try mirnyy again? it's load is 1/50th of what it was? | 12:58 |
| amu | Kamion: if you are all time 24/7/365 up there's no problem, i just think to eastern, ex. sat. 14.00 or sunday afternoon :) | 12:58 |
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| haggai | elmo: ah cool mirnyy's working thanks | 12:58 |
| Kamion | amu: it's rare that one of us isn't around with some fairly small lag - and at the moment I'm leery of too many more people kicking off CD builds, 'cos there's no locking yet and it can get a bit hairy | 01:01 |
| Kamion | daniels also has access at the moment but that was kind of a temporary thing for an emergency | 01:01 |
| elmo | err, which is over now right? | 01:02 |
| mdz | yes | 01:02 |
| amu | Kamion: sound good | 01:02 |
| elmo | Kamion: ITYM had ;) | 01:02 |
| amu | ... i could ask him also ... | 01:03 |
| Kamion | elmo: heh :) | 01:04 |
| Kamion | amu: long-term hopefully derivative distributions will be able to kick off their own CD builds via Launchpad; it's just all a somewhat-privileged operation at the moment | 01:05 |
| mkedwards | Kamion: privilege issues, or just risk of overloading server? | 01:07 |
| amu | Kamion: cool, it was a thought, what will happen if there's noone there who could run an isobuild, but sounds good, if we have all time someone available | 01:10 |
| Kamion | mkedwards: bit of both, not so much overloading as hideous confusion when two people try to run a build for the same project at once | 01:12 |
| amu | mdz: is there any chance pump the crypto part also into main? | 01:13 |
| mkedwards | Kamion: I'd like to be able to build a CD with a slightly modified casper. I'd be willing to do the poor-man's-remaster of the cloop, but the stuff outside cloop is still kind of mysterious. It's the cloop that costs resources, yes? | 01:14 |
| mdz | amu: the crypto part of what? | 01:14 |
| Kamion | mkedwards: what kind of resources? | 01:14 |
| amu | mdz: kdepim | 01:14 |
| mdz | mkedwards: all you need to do is regenerate Packages and Release after swapping in new udebs | 01:14 |
| mdz | amu: meaning gnupg2? | 01:14 |
| Kamion | mkedwards: if you're just modifying casper, it's easiest to drop in a new .deb, hack Packages/Packages.gz, update Release, rm Release.gpg, hope you got it all right | 01:15 |
| amu | mdz: yep | 01:15 |
| mkedwards | Kamion: server load | 01:15 |
| mdz | mkedwards: if you only want to modify casper, there's no need to change the cloop | 01:15 |
| mdz | amu: if pitti is willing to support it, yes | 01:15 |
| mkedwards | mdz, Kamion: can I set up debarchiver or something like that to generate Packages and Release? | 01:16 |
| mkedwards | mdz: cloop changes are to add some packages | 01:16 |
| mkedwards | mdz: autobuilder / application demo LiveDVD | 01:16 |
| Kamion | mkedwards: er, as I said server load is pretty irrelevant to what I was talking about | 01:17 |
| Kamion | mkedwards: absolutely no idea, we do it with debian-cd | 01:17 |
| Kamion | mkedwards: I'm sure you could, I just can't help you :) | 01:18 |
| mdz | mkedwards: the simplest way to regenerate them is to use apt-ftparchive | 01:18 |
| mdz | I can send you the trivial script | 01:18 |
| amu | mdz: i'll ask him | 01:18 |
| mkedwards | mdz: that would be a kindness. :) | 01:18 |
| mdz | mkedwards: address? | 01:18 |
| mkedwards | m.k.edwards@gmail.com | 01:19 |
| ttf | Riddell: the anti-aliasing issue - would you say it's a kubuntu-defaults or a kdebase bug? | 01:20 |
| amu | Riddell: haggai: did you saw Klik | 01:21 |
| mdz | mkedwards: sent. so after removing the old udebs and replacing them with new ones, running the script should put the CD back into a consistent state | 01:21 |
| mdz | mkedwards: I think you might need to rm Release.gpg now; I haven't used it since Kamion added support for that | 01:22 |
| amu | ttf: probably a X bug, X should detect which kind of display is used | 01:23 |
| amu | mdz: did you saw http://klik.atekon.de/ | 01:26 |
| mdz | amu: no | 01:26 |
| amu | mdz: something like linspire's 1 click installation | 01:29 |
| Kamion | one-click installation is bad crack | 01:29 |
| mdz | amu: yes, indeed | 01:29 |
| mdz | Kamion: it's really not; it's on my list for UDU | 01:29 |
| mdz | Kamion: click on magic file -> launch synaptic and install the (authenticated) package normally | 01:30 |
| Kamion | well, I hope you intend to reopen things like all the keyboard-chooser bugs :P | 01:30 |
| Kamion | when we tried to not ask that question | 01:30 |
| Kamion | oh, you mean one-click .deb installation? | 01:30 |
| mdz | Kamion: we are talking about two different things | 01:30 |
| Kamion | ok, totally different :) | 01:30 |
| Kamion | good :) | 01:30 |
| amu | Kamion: ;) imho very usefull, ex. for my Dad/Mom | 01:31 |
| mvo | amu: I added something to the wiki about the klik stuff | 01:31 |
| mvo | we can emulate it fairly easily with a script and current synaptic | 01:31 |
| mvo | but we need to assume a valid sources.list file and a up-to-date cache | 01:32 |
| amu | mvo: overcool | 01:32 |
| Kamion | amu: yeah, I think it's a good idea now that I don't think you mean system installation | 01:33 |
| amu | mvo: should be easy, compare timestamps before installing them | 01:33 |
| mvo | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PackageManagement | 01:33 |
| amu | Kamion: nope ;) just deb's | 01:33 |
| mvo | there is a script for firefox there | 01:33 |
| mvo | mdz: what goals/ideas do you have exactly for the "install-via-web"? | 01:35 |
| mdz | ttf: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8029 ? | 01:35 |
| mdz | mvo: to be able to use web-based package browsers to select software for installation | 01:36 |
| mdz | mvo: such as, say, soyuz ;-) | 01:36 |
| mdz | amu: who is packaging kde-i18n? | 01:38 |
| mvo | mdz: web-based installs gives us all this nice formating and screenshots and background information data (links to FAQs, homepage, even translated descriptions by default *yummy*). it has great potential :) to what extend to we want to support it? download debs, checks there dependencies and download more of them from the same web-based source? cheat like we can do now with klik? something in between? | 01:39 |
| mdz | mvo: we can handle it gracefully if the package is not available wit hsources.list | 01:39 |
| mdz | mvo: I do not think we should download the .debs from the same place, but use the existing sources.list authenticated mechanism | 01:39 |
| mdz | mvo: (well, not for this feature) | 01:39 |
| mdz | we have also discussed a metafile which makes it easy to add an entry to sources.list | 01:39 |
| mdz | but that is a secondary feature; we should focus on access to the software in Ubuntu | 01:40 |
| amu | mdz: it's on ttf's task | 01:40 |
| ttf | mdz: is reported on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems | 01:40 |
| mvo | mdz: have you seen the script for firefox on the PackageManagment wiki-page? we could add before hoary :) | 01:41 |
| mvo | (not using klik but klack or something else for the url) | 01:41 |
| mdz | ttf: there is not enough information in that bug report to do any diagnosis or repair | 01:41 |
| ttf | mdz: don't know exactly what is meant with it either - thought that somebody (Riddell, amu, etc) put it up there and they would know how to fix what exactly :) | 01:43 |
| mdz | ttf: please don't file incomplete reports like that; it only creates more work for me | 01:45 |
| ttf | k - thought it would help people to see that the problem has already been reported | 01:47 |
| mdz | ttf: it only helps if the bug report actually describes the problem; otherwise it is only noise | 01:48 |
| ttf | Riddell, amu, haggai: do you know more about the "X colour palette is broken on the live CD" issue on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems? | 01:56 |
| ttf | mdz: true | 01:57 |
| amu | ttf: it's also broken on my brand-new ppc, it looks fine after restarting kdm, we speak about it a week ago | 01:57 |
| ttf | ah - remember something | 01:58 |
| amu | there was a wrong value in the color settings ... | 01:59 |
| amu | n8 all | 02:44 |
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| Burgundavia | anybody here? | 10:32 |
| haggai | yup | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | <Burgundavia> asking about kdesu | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | <Burgundavia> I am looking to change the deps for qtparted to this by default, instead of gksudo | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | <Burgundavia> I fired up kdesu, and it asked for my root password, but accepted mine | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | <Burgundavia> has it been hacked to be sudo? | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | I asked that just before the netsplit | 10:39 |
| haggai | ah I didn't see that | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:39 |
| haggai | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7327 | 10:39 |
| haggai | yes its been hacked to use sudo | 10:40 |
| Burgundavia | ok, just checking | 10:40 |
| Burgundavia | so it is safe to change the dep to kdesu? (actually kdebase-bin) | 10:40 |
| haggai | uuh, kdebase-bin has a gksudo deb? | 10:41 |
| haggai | dep | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | no | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | kdebase-bin provides the file kdesu | 10:41 |
| haggai | ah right | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | you running amd64? | 10:41 |
| haggai | hmm I see | 10:41 |
| haggai | gksu | kdebase-bin | sux | 10:41 |
| haggai | well, they are | 10:41 |
| haggai | they are |ed together to you don't need to change anything | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | am going to cleanup to just kdebase-bin and change .desktop to kdesu from gksudo | 10:42 |
| haggai | ah yes, that would be better | 10:42 |
| haggai | hmm might be an idea to actually move qtparted to main too | 10:45 |
| Burgundavia | is gparted main? | 10:45 |
| Burgundavia | gparted is currently universe | 10:45 |
| ttf | somebody has complained that bibletime has got it's K-menu entry in lost+found. the package is in universe. will we fix this and get the package into main for hoary or will it be done only for the next release? | 11:04 |
| Kamion | it can be fixed without having to migrate to main | 11:09 |
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| haggai | amu: a fix for you? | 11:27 |
| haggai | 10:26 < CIA-10> lukas KDE_3_4_BRANCH * kdebase/l10n/tr/entry.desktop: | 11:27 |
| haggai | 10:26 < CIA-10> Turkey changed its monetary symbol | 11:27 |
| haggai | amu: better make sure ttf has the branch updates ;) | 11:27 |
| amu | haggai: heh | 11:37 |
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| === Beineri tried openoffice.org-kde today: I simulates the Qt style but doesn't use KDE icons and the KDE file dialog :-| | ||
| haggai | Beineri: file bug reports please, both of those problems should not be there | 12:14 |
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| haggai | Beineri: no, the first one is probably because the patch was taken from Debian (which is non UTF8 and therefore needs the OOo dialogs), and the icons, well I'm not sure | 12:15 |
| ttf | there's 3 possibilities to reach "Trash" in an easy way: panel applet, desktop icon and click on "System" icon in the panel and then on Trash - I think this is too much - would remove 1-2 | 12:58 |
| ttf | preferably the panel applet and then the one from the "system" icon (if this is done easy) | 12:59 |
| amu | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 | 01:03 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Preview Released | http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Mar 18 04:36:33 2005 | ||
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| apokryphos | amu: re: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7880; I wasn't the one that reported that, btw. :) | 02:04 |
| apokryphos | me = Francis Giannaros | 02:08 |
| haggai | ttf: that X colour pallete thing, I still see it on current live CD | 02:09 |
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| ttf | haggai: you mean you also get this bug on a live CD on i386? | 02:20 |
| haggai | ttf: yes | 02:20 |
| haggai | I'll make a screenshot | 02:20 |
| haggai | arrgh, network interface is dead | 02:22 |
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| ttf | haggai: #8029 - it's still open | 02:25 |
| haggai | ttf: thanks | 02:26 |
| haggai | ttf: I was talking about reopening #5228 | 02:26 |
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| elmo | haggai/riddell/amu: kubuntu.org is now working, fwiw | 04:12 |
| haggai | elmo: ooh thanks! | 05:08 |
| amu | elmo: ping, could you please move gnupg2 into main, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 | 07:06 |
| elmo | amu: err, seed it? | 07:08 |
| elmo | and/or make something {build-,}depend on it | 07:09 |
| amu | thx, {build-,}depend | 07:16 |
| haggai | Riddell: ping? how's the website going? | 07:24 |
| amu | sync | 07:35 |
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| amu | hehe, i should definitiv change the window behavioirs | 07:38 |
| mdz | what are your plans for all of these kubuntu bugs you are filing? most of them are not assigned to anyone | 08:06 |
| haggai | mdz: to fix them? :) I filed them to make sure they don't get forgotten | 08:17 |
| mdz | haggai: in my experience, bugs which are filed and not assigned are lost in the swamp | 08:17 |
| haggai | mdz: my KDE query brings them all up | 08:18 |
| haggai | mdz: I agree once that gets over more than a page that method might not be so good | 08:20 |
| amu | haggai: Riddell you know how submit the bugfixes from kde-cvs 3-4-BRANCH ? | 08:26 |
| mdz | is someone addressing the "CPU overload" problem with arts? | 08:31 |
| haggai | mdz: no. You saw my message about how the installer broke my lvm... I was trying to do a fresh install to reproduce it | 08:32 |
| haggai | amu: ? to do what? | 08:32 |
| Kamion | haggai: lvm10 or lvm2? | 08:37 |
| Kamion | haggai: never mind, presumably lvm2 | 08:41 |
| elmo | hey, can we not have two versions of lvm in breezy? | 08:43 |
| Kamion | haggai: actually it would be interesting to know if that was once an lvm10 volume? | 08:44 |
| Riddell | haggai: website is my target for tonight | 08:45 |
| Riddell | amu: which bugfixes? | 08:45 |
| Kamion | lvm2 says that by default it uses the second sector, and it scans the first four looking for the label | 08:46 |
| mdz | elmo: hmm, good point | 08:49 |
| mdz | elmo: we shouldn't even have had lvm10 in Warty, after we decided to drop 2.4 | 08:49 |
| mdz | Kamion: fancy a debootstrap change? | 08:50 |
| elmo | hey, can we not have two versions of lvm in hoary? | 08:50 |
| elmo | ;-) | 08:50 |
| mdz | I don't think it costs us much to wait for breezy, but i'm not unopposably against doing it for hoary | 08:50 |
| Kamion | can lvm2 deal with existing lvm10 volumes? I thought the reason they were able to coexist on the system was that it couldn't | 08:51 |
| Kamion | and the reason for that cunning lvmiopversion thing | 08:52 |
| mdz | Kamion: both lvm2 and evms can deal with existing lvm10 volumes | 08:52 |
| mdz | afaik | 08:52 |
| mdz | the lvmiopversion thing is due to the differing kernel APIs | 08:52 |
| amu | Riddell: the KDE_3_4_BRANCH commits into kde-cvs | 08:59 |
| Riddell | amu: do a cvs diff from 3_4_RELEASE to BRANCH and add the patch to debian/patches | 09:01 |
| haggai | Kamion: it was once an lvm10 volume | 09:08 |
| haggai | Riddell: my point for the diffing is to document the commands so we all do it the same way, reproducibly | 09:09 |
| Riddell | haggai: we should have a script in our baz archive for doing it | 09:09 |
| haggai | Riddell: yes I think that would be a good idea | 09:09 |
| Riddell | I should work out how to set up the baz archive first | 09:10 |
| amu | elmo: E: Couldn't find package gpgsm | 09:10 |
| elmo | amu: feature, don't worry about it, it'll come in eventually | 09:10 |
| amu | elmo: ^k | 09:11 |
| amu | yep that's what i meat, putting the diff's into debian/patches | 09:18 |
| amu | Riddell: ^^ | 09:18 |
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| lytefyre | anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview | 10:24 |
| lytefyre | anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ? | 10:35 |
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| haggai | amu: where is your baz archive with the seeds? | 11:14 |
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| Kamion | haggai: it's not his archive :) | 11:14 |
| haggai | Kamion: ah ok so I was looking at the master not a mirror | 11:15 |
| Kamion | haggai: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 11:15 |
| haggai | yup, was looking there thanks | 11:15 |
| Kamion | that is a mirror, but the master is only accessible by sftp to chinstrap | 11:15 |
| haggai | ah so it was a mirror :) | 11:16 |
| haggai | how difficult would it be to move it to our kubuntu dev machine? | 11:16 |
| haggai | I don't mind either way - I can ask amu to pull my changes if that's what folks prefer | 11:17 |
| Kamion | I guess it's possible; I do think those Ubuntu people who've committed to it so far should be able to continue committing to it | 11:18 |
| Kamion | merging branches ought to be possible too | 11:19 |
| haggai | oh I thought that was only amu, haven't been reading the logs | 11:19 |
| Kamion | no, at least mdz and I have done that too | 11:19 |
| Kamion | I set it up, both mdz and I have done merges | 11:19 |
| haggai | ah right makes it not so simple then | 11:19 |
| Kamion | and I did some germinate admin bits | 11:19 |
| Kamion | although I could have asked you guys to merge that | 11:19 |
| amu | haggai: the easier way would be an baz on my buildd | 11:20 |
| haggai | amu: ? we can use | 11:20 |
| haggai | novolazarevskaya | 11:21 |
| === haggai wonders where that name came from | ||
| Kamion | haggai: Antarctic station (naming scheme) | 11:22 |
| haggai | Kamion: ah, pity it has such a long name | 11:22 |
| Kamion | er, yeah :) | 11:23 |
| haggai | oh, ssh kubuntu.org works :) | 11:23 |
| Kamion | you know where ~/.ssh/config is, too ;) | 11:23 |
| haggai | yeah I already did that :) | 11:23 |
| Kamion | Host novothingy | 11:23 |
| Kamion | HostName novolazarevskaya.ubuntu.com | 11:24 |
| Kamion | ;) | 11:24 |
| amu | if it runs on novoblah, how it would be possible ex. for kamion to sync them | 11:24 |
| elmo | amu: you have a buildd? | 11:25 |
| Kamion | shrug, I'd either have an account, or it'd be http-accessible from rookery | 11:25 |
| Kamion | somewhere inside the LAN would certainly be optimal | 11:25 |
| elmo | kamion: novo's very much not in the LAN | 11:25 |
| Kamion | oh, it's not? .ubuntu.com fooled me | 11:25 |
| Kamion | ultimately seeds will live in launchpad, but I wouldn't hold your breath just yet | 11:25 |
| amu | elmo: a small sized one *g* | 11:26 |
| elmo | well, hopefully less soon than ultimately, there'll be a open to all ubunties people style machine where you can run the baz | 11:26 |
| elmo | until then, I'm happy to create accounts for kamion and whichever other folk might need them on novo | 11:26 |
| elmo | amu: ok, but you know there's a chroot on novo, right? | 11:26 |
| elmo | amu: kdepim encrypt pulled in a whole bunch more than just gnupg | 11:29 |
| elmo | I'm bouncing it back to pitti for review of the new stuff | 11:30 |
| elmo | haggai: novolazarevskaya means approx. "new miami beach" in russian | 11:32 |
| Kamion | elmo,amu: ok, how about we coordinate moving the archive tomorrow | 11:32 |
| elmo | </random> | 11:32 |
| amu | elmo: no i dont know, started to cluster my buildd, buildspeed is good. | 11:34 |
| elmo | heh, unless you have expensive taste, i reckon novo will out build anything you have at home | 11:34 |
| amu | elmo: gnupg2, if it's too difficult and timeintensive atm, i can easily remove it again. It would be nice, if the kdeusers could also crypt/encrypt their mails. It's just for a better useability. Showing them an FAQ isnt such a good way. | 11:44 |
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