| mdz | xenonite: it is localized for as many languages as we could fit | 12:03 |
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| mdz | xenonite: which one did you try? | 12:03 |
| Pointwood | apokryphos: after changing sources.list (taken from this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary%20upgrading ), the command I need to issue is apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 12:05 |
| apokryphos | Pointwood: that will get you hoary | 12:06 |
| Pointwood | cool | 12:06 |
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| apokryphos | 8) | 12:06 |
| Pointwood | 675 upgraded, 163 newly installed, 28 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 12:07 |
| Pointwood | 7 not fully installed or removed. | 12:07 |
| Pointwood | Need to get 268MB/478MB of archives. | 12:07 |
| Pointwood | After unpacking 251MB of additional disk space will be used. | 12:07 |
| Pointwood | will take some time :) | 12:07 |
| apokryphos | Heh, yup. For all the details and to know what you're doing, check the "installingKDE" article on the wiki | 12:07 |
| Pointwood | it estimates ~15 min. to download it | 12:08 |
| Pointwood | will do | 12:08 |
| apokryphos | sweet | 12:08 |
| Pointwood | hopefully I'll end up with something that's not completely broken :p | 12:09 |
| apokryphos | apt upgrades have generally gone very well, as far as I've seen | 12:10 |
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| Pointwood | yeah, that's what I hear :) | 12:10 |
| Pointwood | :) | 12:10 |
| apokryphos | let me know if you have any more problems/questions | 12:10 |
| Pointwood | thx | 12:10 |
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| Pointwood | I'll go read up on kubuntu :) | 12:10 |
| incubii | kubuntu installed nicely | 12:11 |
| dimmak | i am gonna try this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor/view?searchterm=resolution ...for my dell 2405fpw issue... If I am successful, I will be sure to tell. | 12:14 |
| dimmak | i should probably apt-get and do the nvidia driver installation too in recovery mode | 12:15 |
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| phxguy | can anyone help me with my nvidia card | 12:18 |
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| dimmak | maybe me... what is your problem? | 12:20 |
| phxguy | i have installed the nvidia drivers un ubuntu but now that i am in Kubuntu the nvidia control panel; doesn't open | 12:20 |
| incubii | not a real loss | 12:21 |
| incubii | lol | 12:21 |
| dimmak | try running it from a terminal and see what errors you get. | 12:21 |
| phxguy | Geez!!! Im Such a Dub-ass sometimes.... | 12:23 |
| phxguy | i had a typo in the command in the menu =) | 12:23 |
| Pointwood | you said that yourself ;) | 12:23 |
| phxguy | lol | 12:24 |
| dimmak | well... good that it is remedied | 12:24 |
| Pointwood | and it looks like no one is arguing with you :p | 12:24 |
| phxguy | thanks | 12:24 |
| phxguy | wouldn't have thought of checking the command till you said to run it in a terminal window | 12:24 |
| dimmak | cool | 12:25 |
| phxguy | anyone here know anything about modprobe errors???? | 12:25 |
| dimmak | i am currently doing a reprobe of my monitor to get my dell 2405fpw display working: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor/view?searchterm=resolution | 12:25 |
| phxguy | I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide.org and added pciehp to the blacklist file... but i still get the error: modprobe fatal error inserting pciehp....... device does not exist | 12:26 |
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| dimmak | the dell 2405fpw is currently probed with id: dell 2405fpw, a max res of 1680x1680, freq: 30-81 56-76, distype: crt .... wrong wrong wrong | 12:32 |
| dimmak | i remember when installing it to my laptop after the first restart i was able to check what the display resolutions would be... i didn't get the same privilege when installing on my desktop... i immediately was presented with a "cannot display" error from my monitor after the first restart | 12:34 |
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| dimmak | no easy work around... i'll just take a break for a while before i go in to manually edit config files | 12:43 |
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| Brian_P | can anyone help me get my nvidia 3d working? I updated the driver with Kynaptic and rebooted and still no 3d... | 12:58 |
| Brian_P | anybody home here? lol | 12:59 |
| billytwowilly | Brian_P: | 01:01 |
| Brian_P | hi | 01:01 |
| billytwowilly | you probably have to edit your xorg.conf | 01:01 |
| Brian_P | ok | 01:01 |
| Brian_P | I know how to do dthat | 01:01 |
| billytwowilly | I did for the ati drivers anyway. | 01:01 |
| Brian_P | just wasnt sure I needed too | 01:01 |
| Brian_P | to | 01:02 |
| Brian_P | Thanks Billy | 01:02 |
| billytwowilly | np. | 01:02 |
| billytwowilly | hopefully that works for you. | 01:02 |
| Brian_P | was going to make a flaming comment, but you quelled my urge | 01:02 |
| billytwowilly | check the wiki out too. | 01:02 |
| Brian_P | :D | 01:02 |
| billytwowilly | that should have a fairly complete howto on how to get it all set up. | 01:02 |
| Brian_P | ok | 01:02 |
| Brian_P | where is the wiki? | 01:03 |
| billytwowilly | which is probably why noone else was saying anything. | 01:03 |
| billytwowilly | ubuntulinux.org | 01:03 |
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| Brian_P | no one else was saying anything cuz their all dead stiffs :D | 01:03 |
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| FX|Laptop | Hello | 01:05 |
| FX|Laptop | I just installed kubuntu through apt and it seems pretty nice | 01:06 |
| FX|Laptop | Couple of questions though. | 01:06 |
| FX|Laptop | Can I get icons for like say the trash can and my home on the desktop and if so how? | 01:06 |
| apokryphos | For Home: Right-click > Create New > Link to Location. Then enter /home/user | 01:09 |
| FX|Laptop | duh..........thanks. lol | 01:10 |
| apokryphos | For trash, same thing | 01:10 |
| apokryphos | link to: trash:/ | 01:10 |
| Pointwood | apokryphos: upgrade finished :) | 01:10 |
| apokryphos | cool | 01:10 |
| Pointwood | I guess I should restart then :) | 01:10 |
| apokryphos | yup | 01:10 |
| apokryphos | kernel reboot | 01:10 |
| Pointwood | there goes my (not so excellent) uptime :p | 01:11 |
| apokryphos | how many hours? | 01:11 |
| apokryphos | 00:12:37 up 3 days -- not bad, for me. | 01:12 |
| Pointwood | 01:12:23 up 17 days, 1:50, 8 users, load average: 1.33, 1.62, 1.64 | 01:12 |
| apokryphos | heh | 01:12 |
| Pointwood | 8 users? | 01:13 |
| apokryphos | weird; mine has just the two. | 01:13 |
| FX|Laptop | I need to find a email notification like gnome has. | 01:14 |
| apokryphos | Supported in Kmail | 01:15 |
| FX|Laptop | I use Thunderbird | 01:15 |
| apokryphos | you can also have it tell you how many new in systray icon | 01:15 |
| apokryphos | Not sure if it has a feature for that; possibly not. | 01:16 |
| Pointwood | I've tried to like Evolution, but that was a no go in warty at least | 01:16 |
| Pointwood | I'm using Thunderbird | 01:16 |
| apokryphos | Evolution is not bad, and Thunderbird isn't too bad if a little simple. Kontact's tight intergration is hard to ignore, though. Kmail is sweet. | 01:17 |
| Pointwood | I was trying to live with as many gnome apps as possible since Ubuntu is gnome based :) | 01:18 |
| Pointwood | I like Thunderbird | 01:18 |
| apokryphos | Sure; whatever floats your boat. :) | 01:19 |
| Pointwood | yeah :) | 01:19 |
| Pointwood | but if I switch to kubuntu, who knows ;) | 01:19 |
| FX|Laptop | hmm how can I configure systray? | 01:20 |
| apokryphos | FX|Laptop: what are you looking to change? | 01:21 |
| FX|Laptop | Well I would like to get some kind of email notification. | 01:21 |
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| apokryphos | oh, you'll have to check w/Thunderbird. Not sure if it has a tray icon, even. | 01:22 |
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| FX|Laptop | I was looking for something maybe in superkaramba | 01:23 |
| FX|Laptop | Thunderbird has a sound notification, but really doesn't work well. | 01:23 |
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| jsubl2 | where is the faq that gives you the deb sources for w32codecs | 01:24 |
| apokryphos | jsubl2: you can't get it from apt? | 01:24 |
| jsubl2 | really | 01:25 |
| mainer | apt-get install w32codecs | 01:25 |
| apokryphos | FX|Laptop: kde-look.org is your best bet, for that. Though doubtful, as kmail is kde's email client. | 01:25 |
| jsubl2 | Couldn't find package w32codecs.. i must be missing a line in my sources.list | 01:25 |
| apokryphos | jsubl2: yup; one sec, I'll find you the link | 01:26 |
| jsubl2 | thank you | 01:26 |
| apokryphos | www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/restrictedformats | 01:26 |
| apokryphos | should be mentioned there | 01:26 |
| jsubl2 | thanks | 01:26 |
| apokryphos | np | 01:27 |
| mainer | sorry i use debian repositorys at times | 01:27 |
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| Pointwood | apokryphos: upgrade seems to have gone resonable well, though I have a sound problem | 01:36 |
| apokryphos | no sound? | 01:36 |
| Pointwood | I got "system sounds", but I tried playing the net radio I usually listen to with mplayer and that was a no go | 01:38 |
| Pointwood | xmms wouldn't play either | 01:38 |
| apokryphos | hm, I'm actually pretty bad with hardware ;-). Hmm, are your alsamixer settings alright? | 01:39 |
| Pointwood | I have no idea :) | 01:39 |
| apokryphos | terminal > alsamixer | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | check that, say, Master is up, and PCM.. | 01:40 |
| Pointwood | hrm...rythmbox can play | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | aha | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | It's likely an engine issue, then. | 01:40 |
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| Pointwood | yeah | 01:42 |
| apokryphos | Pointwood: not an amaroK fan? | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | It's very good. :) | 01:43 |
| Pointwood | apokryphos: does it play .asf streaming? ;) | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | no idea; I only use it for MP3s. You could check on their site | 01:44 |
| Pointwood | this is what I want to play: http://wmsc.dr.dk/e02ch03m?wmcontentbitrate=300000/.wma | 01:44 |
| ca_ca | which player plays mms streaming | 01:45 |
| ca_ca | ? | 01:45 |
| Pointwood | windows media player :/ | 01:45 |
| ca_ca | only wmp? | 01:46 |
| Pointwood | mplayer can do it too | 01:46 |
| FX|Laptop | Thanks for the help | 01:46 |
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| ca_ca | no linux-player? | 01:46 |
| Pointwood | mplayer is a linux player ;) | 01:46 |
| ca_ca | i know but i cannot play mms-links | 01:47 |
| ca_ca | some mms-links | 01:47 |
| Pointwood | it worked here in mplayer, until I upgrade to hoary | 01:48 |
| apokryphos | Not quite sure; might have a plugin etc.. you can try in #amarok -- channel is generally reasonably active. | 01:48 |
| Pointwood | k | 01:48 |
| Pointwood | however I want to get mplayer to work again anyway | 01:49 |
| apokryphos | suffice it to say, they have one of the most active developemtn teams I've ever seen | 01:49 |
| apokryphos | Does your mplayer work with other things? Did you install it using the instructions described on the Wiki? | 01:50 |
| Pointwood | hrm...where have they put synaptic | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/restrictedformats | 01:50 |
| Pointwood | and how do I edit the applications menu? | 01:50 |
| ca_ca | are u using mozplugger? | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | kmenuedit | 01:50 |
| Pointwood | I haven't ugraded to kubuntu yet | 01:51 |
| ca_ca | u better use mozilla-mplayer | 01:51 |
| apokryphos | Pointwood: oh, ok. | 01:51 |
| Pointwood | I should prolly ask in #ubuntu :) | 01:51 |
| apokryphos | Perhaps. I'm off to bed; late here. :) | 01:51 |
| apokryphos | Good luck | 01:51 |
| Pointwood | laters | 01:51 |
| Pointwood | it's late here too ;) | 01:51 |
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| phxguy | hi... Can anybody here suggest a good CD burning program that will support .iso's | 02:58 |
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| mdz | phxguy: k3b seems to be popular | 03:25 |
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| HostingGeek | kubuntu shouldn't call it self GNU/Linux | 03:32 |
| HostingGeek | It doesn't use GNU tool kit | 03:32 |
| HostingGeek | it doesn't use GNU's DE | 03:32 |
| HostingGeek | (GNOME) | 03:32 |
| HostingGeek | It should just be called 'linux' | 03:32 |
| HostingGeek | or KDE/Linux | 03:33 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | i can't get my multimedia keys to work as keyboard shortcuts. | 03:45 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: use ubuntu | 03:46 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: kde sucks because they still call it GNU/Linux when they are not using ALL the gnu tools | 03:47 |
| HostingGeek | they are incorrectly using GNU | 03:47 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | i am in ubuntu | 03:48 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | duh | 03:48 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | kde does suck. | 03:48 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | but i'm banned from #ubuntu | 03:49 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | for some reason | 03:49 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: they ban everyone | 03:51 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: look at the ban list | 03:51 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | .lol | 03:51 |
| HostingGeek | bob2 is a ban-a-holic | 03:51 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: ask in #gnome on gimpnet\ | 03:52 |
| HostingGeek | daniels is also a ban-a-holic | 03:52 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | cool. | 03:53 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | lol | 03:53 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | he is who i'm talking to right now. | 03:53 |
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| BROKEN_LADDER | i bought this new keyboard because my old m$ keyboard's lights don't work right, and it's from m$. but i dunno about this new one i got. the m$ one has pretty sweet key action. :/ | 03:56 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: #gnome | 03:59 |
| treke|home | BROKEN_LADDER: Ignore HostingGeek. What is your problem? | 03:59 |
| HostingGeek | treke|home: he is a ubuntu user not a stupid kde user | 04:00 |
| HostingGeek | ubuntu == gnome | 04:00 |
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| BROKEN_LADDER | :) | 04:02 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | lol | 04:02 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | exactly. | 04:02 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: i got unbaned w00t | 04:07 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | from where? | 04:07 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: sometime i think daniels like making fun of me | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | look at this: | 04:09 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | hmm.. | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | <HostingGeek> what about a -b? | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | <HostingGeek> :P | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | <daniels> from where? | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | <HostingGeek> #ubuntu? | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | <HostingGeek> anyway goto go now the same as you.... | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | <daniels> enjoy | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | (from /msg) | 04:09 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | jesus. | 04:09 |
| HostingGeek | --> You are now talking on #ubuntu | 04:10 |
| HostingGeek | --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to daniels | 04:10 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | that dude has me waiting around to get unbanned. | 04:10 |
| HostingGeek | --- daniels sets ban on *!*@200.48.233.220 | 04:10 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | he doesn't even know who originally banned me, because he just updated the ban. | 04:10 |
| HostingGeek | --- daniels removes channel operator status from daniels | 04:10 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | is that you? | 04:10 |
| HostingGeek | wtf!? | 04:10 |
| HostingGeek | thats is me | 04:10 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | he's not so friendly eh? | 04:10 |
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| je4d | And yet he forgot to kick you aswell? silly daniels.. | 04:10 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: he teased me | 04:11 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: heck i don't even know why he banned me | 04:12 |
| YuriMaru | is there a way to request kubuntu cd's thru the mail? | 04:13 |
| je4d | YuriMaru: There probably will be after it's released - but almost certainly not before | 04:14 |
| HostingGeek | YuriMaru: no because kde sucks | 04:14 |
| YuriMaru | hehe | 04:14 |
| HostingGeek | je4d: no there will not be at all | 04:14 |
| YuriMaru | kde pwns | 04:14 |
| HostingGeek | YuriMaru: you can get it on the dvd images | 04:14 |
| YuriMaru | hehe | 04:14 |
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| HostingGeek | the dvd images include all of main | 04:14 |
| YuriMaru | would help if this pos could use dvd's | 04:14 |
| HostingGeek | and kubuntu is also in main | 04:14 |
| je4d | HostingGeek: ok. "heck i don't even know why he banned me" <-- I do. and and If this channel wasn't sufficiently new that chanserv was sorted out, you'd have been out of here a while ago. | 04:15 |
| HostingGeek | je4d: what did i do here that need me to be banned? | 04:16 |
| HostingGeek | je4d: you have even asked me to stop | 04:16 |
| HostingGeek | if you did i would | 04:16 |
| calc | hmm only three people have chanserv access | 04:16 |
| treke|home | HostingGeek: Please stop | 04:16 |
| je4d | calc: makes sense.. there's three people at canonical working on it | 04:16 |
| calc | haggai doesn't work for canonical | 04:17 |
| HostingGeek | treke|home: ok :P | 04:17 |
| HostingGeek | BROKEN_LADDER: (you see they asked me to stop) | 04:17 |
| calc | i think fooishbar is a bot or something | 04:17 |
| je4d | fooishbar is almost certainly controlled by daniels.. | 04:17 |
| calc | yea | 04:17 |
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| treke|home | YuriMaru: I suppose it mostly boils down to whether or not the entity paying for the current Ubuntu cds ( Canonical?) decides to push Kubuntu | 04:18 |
| YuriMaru | aha | 04:18 |
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| treke|home | I can see why they might not though, to encourage a more predictable platform | 04:19 |
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| Roey | hi | 04:23 |
| Roey | what package is the keyboard layouts in? | 04:23 |
| Roey | *are the | 04:23 |
| Roey | also, | 04:23 |
| Roey | who was helping me here earlier.... | 04:23 |
| Roey | I'll ask in #ubuntu rather. | 04:24 |
| Roey | I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5 ; grub-update", and when I booted the new kernel I get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html | 04:26 |
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| Roey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/LuhRpJ24.html | 04:42 |
| Roey | Why is the last raid device appearing differently than the first two ones?? | 04:42 |
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| hitriko | hey guys i just installed Kubuntu and it looks good to me so far | 05:25 |
| hitriko | but i'm having a problem | 05:25 |
| hitriko | i can't login as root | 05:25 |
| hitriko | .. | 05:25 |
| dimmak | sudo passwd | 05:26 |
| dimmak | and change it | 05:26 |
| dimmak | then try using su | 05:26 |
| dimmak | that is how i managed this task | 05:26 |
| hitriko | WOW! awesome man | 05:28 |
| hitriko | thanks | 05:28 |
| dimmak | no prob | 05:28 |
| hitriko | another problem | 05:30 |
| hitriko | (i'm a linux noob man) lol | 05:30 |
| delltony | where do you go to change your ip and all in kde i know i can change the network file in the shell but how is it done in kde? | 05:30 |
| hitriko | i'm trying to install gaim, i did ./configure and it does it ok but when i go to do "make" it gives me an erroe message | 05:31 |
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| kaplanfx | hitriko: why not apt-get install gaim? | 05:33 |
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| kaplanfx | or use synaptic? | 05:33 |
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| hitriko | huh? | 05:37 |
| hitriko | i don't know anything about that... | 05:37 |
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| hitriko | kaplanfx: please explain... | 05:38 |
| delltony_ | where do you go to change your ip and all in kde i know i can change the network file in the shell but how is it done in kde? | 05:38 |
| delltony_ | i go to control panel and network and it says unsupported platform | 05:39 |
| treke|home | kde doesnt have a front end that I know of for doing this | 05:39 |
| delltony_ | so you have to use network/interfaces? | 05:39 |
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| treke|home | yes | 05:39 |
| delltony_ | whats the gtk app that does it ill use it | 05:40 |
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| delltony_ | i just removed all the stuff from here when i installed kubuntu | 05:40 |
| dalerisham | oops | 05:40 |
| delltony_ | ok so if there isn't a front in then what the purpose of network interfaces int he control panel? | 05:41 |
| treke|home | it's intended to control network interfaces | 05:43 |
| treke|home | but it doesnt support every distribution | 05:43 |
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| delltony_ | ok | 05:43 |
| delltony_ | since we have kubuntu now is anyone gonna modify it so it does? | 05:44 |
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| BROKEN_LADDER | i have installed the reiser4 kernel patch but i still can't mount reiser4 partitions. | 05:45 |
| treke|home | dlooks like they just removed it | 05:45 |
| BROKEN_LADDER | can anyone help? | 05:45 |
| treke|home | since I dont see anything related to interfaces in the control panel | 05:45 |
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| phxguy | Anyonehere familiar with kdebluetooth??? | 06:19 |
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| phxguy | Anyonehere familiar with kdebluetooth??? | 06:22 |
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| stazz | Hey... which is the current kde version on kubuntu? | 06:54 |
| billytwowilly | 3.4 | 06:54 |
| stazz | really? this fast? | 06:54 |
| stazz | is kde available through ubuntu's normal package repositories? | 06:55 |
| billytwowilly | kubuntu and ubuntu use the same package repository... | 06:58 |
| stazz | right.. so why is it called kubuntu then? | 06:58 |
| billytwowilly | because there are cds for it that will install kde instead of gnome . | 07:00 |
| billytwowilly | Think of it like this: mandrake, redhat, etc, do 3 or 4 cd releases with gnome and kde on them. with ubuntu you download one cd if you want gnome or the other cd if you want kde. | 07:01 |
| billytwowilly | If you decide you want the other one you can pull it down from the repository no problem. | 07:01 |
| treke|home | stazz: in some ways the kde project is a seperate project from the gnome version, even though they share a repository | 07:02 |
| stazz | right.. right.. | 07:03 |
| stazz | so, how does the new kde feel like? | 07:04 |
| treke|home | slim | 07:05 |
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| delltony | ok i updated kubuntu now for some reason i see no place to find my files where can i find my files now before i had personal files but now its not on the menu | 07:49 |
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| delltony | where in the heck is the kde file manager ? | 08:22 |
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| chakie_ | delltony: konqueror | 08:25 |
| delltony | understood | 08:25 |
| chakie_ | alt-f2 konqueror | 08:26 |
| delltony | but how the heck do you get it to open the home dir | 08:26 |
| delltony | on the menu | 08:26 |
| delltony | as in put it on your menu where you click on it and it opens home dir | 08:26 |
| delltony | it was once there i updated and not anymore | 08:26 |
| chakie_ | ah, ok | 08:26 |
| delltony | i'm a command type guy but i wanted the gui for that | 08:26 |
| delltony | if you know how that would be great | 08:27 |
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| chakie_ | you want to add konqueror back to the k-menu? | 08:28 |
| delltony | yes | 08:28 |
| delltony | where when i click on | 08:28 |
| delltony | it opens home | 08:28 |
| delltony | actually id like it on that little quick launcher panel actually | 08:29 |
| delltony | but whichever works | 08:29 |
| chakie_ | well, you can at least right click on the panel, choose Add to Panel->Application and then find "Home" or something similar | 08:30 |
| delltony | its not there thats my point | 08:32 |
| chakie_ | oh, sorry | 08:32 |
| chakie_ | weird | 08:32 |
| delltony | dude all that needs to happen is this | 08:34 |
| delltony | but i don't know the the command | 08:34 |
| delltony | konqueor open in home | 08:34 |
| delltony | nothing more nothing less | 08:34 |
| delltony | i don't know the command to pass it though | 08:34 |
| chakie_ | lemme see what my "home" does | 08:36 |
| chakie_ | kfmclient openProfile filemanagement | 08:36 |
| chakie_ | that's the "Command" that my "Home" executes | 08:36 |
| delltony | ok | 08:36 |
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| delltony | ok thta works | 08:37 |
| delltony | now how do i add it to the little quick launch thing | 08:37 |
| chakie_ | the panel? | 08:38 |
| chakie_ | at the bottom? | 08:38 |
| delltony | the little quuick launch thing | 08:39 |
| delltony | i don't know wht its called | 08:39 |
| delltony | its a panel | 08:39 |
| delltony | but where you have show desktop and all | 08:39 |
| chakie_ | where the main k menu is? | 08:39 |
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| membreya | hmmmm stupid question, but with kubuntu, can i continue to use my ubuntu apps like tvtime, thunderbird and galeon? | 11:26 |
| psn | membreya: sure | 11:27 |
| membreya | hrm, according to http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php I should just need to type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I'm getting package not found | 11:28 |
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| `TUX`` | Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing. | 11:31 |
| `TUX`` | but are we joking? | 11:31 |
| `TUX`` | there is a way to trash sudo | 11:32 |
| `TUX`` | kprint crash gnome cups admin has 3 features and we can't use localhost:631 ... | 11:33 |
| `TUX`` | is this the ubuntu kubuntu way? | 11:33 |
| `TUX`` | to become a gui oriented distro more then mandrake? | 11:34 |
| `TUX`` | but mandrake has 5 years of gui administration with mcc .. don't uses somthing like gnome-cups-manager :/ | 11:34 |
| psn | membreya: you need to enable the online repositories by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list | 11:38 |
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| membreya | psn: what sources are you referring to in the sources.lst? | 12:00 |
| membreya | remembering that I'm on an amd64 :) | 12:01 |
| membreya | I already have universe installed | 12:02 |
| psn | membreya: hmm well then I don't know as the kubuntu packages are in main | 12:02 |
| haggai | I just filed a bug report regarding this question, #8053 | 12:02 |
| membreya | my problem haggai ? | 12:03 |
| haggai | membreya: yes. Can you show me your sources.list? | 12:03 |
| membreya | haggai: #flood | 12:04 |
| membreya | erm | 12:05 |
| haggai | membreya: you're using warty | 12:05 |
| haggai | membreya: you need to be on hoary | 12:05 |
| membreya | haggai: I've just been playing with this, replace the warty with hoary :) | 12:05 |
| membreya | only just copied and pasted it into my file | 12:05 |
| membreya | ok haggai ... don't bother about me :) I'm an idjet :) | 12:06 |
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| haggai | membreya: it still needs the faq entry to be clarified | 12:07 |
| === haggai updates bug | ||
| membreya | once I install kubuntu-desktop ...do I just restart? | 12:07 |
| haggai | there's a good doc somewhere | 12:08 |
| === membreya goes a'lookin :) | ||
| haggai | http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html | 12:09 |
| membreya | I gotta stop playing with my system on very little sleep | 12:09 |
| membreya | cute icon :) | 12:09 |
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| Dudu678 | does any body know why when i mount by using smbmount i get strange characters in file names, but when i do it in konqueror using smb:// i see everything ok? | 12:13 |
| haggai | probably a character encoding problem | 12:15 |
| Dudu678 | yup | 12:16 |
| Dudu678 | but i cannot figure out | 12:16 |
| Dudu678 | how to solve it | 12:16 |
| Dudu678 | i've tried specifying in the mounting options | 12:17 |
| Dudu678 | the charset | 12:17 |
| Dudu678 | and also in the smb.conf file | 12:17 |
| Dudu678 | it doesn't matter | 12:17 |
| Dudu678 | from windows and from konqueror without mounting i see everything ok | 12:18 |
| Dudu678 | when i mount, it all goes wrong | 12:18 |
| Dudu678 | i'm using utf-8 in my system, of course | 12:19 |
| Dudu678 | but the problem is that i have to share files with windows clients | 12:20 |
| haggai | what smbmount options did you actually try? | 12:22 |
| Dudu678 | username=lf,password=******,gid=1000,uid=1000,iocharset=iso8859-1 | 12:24 |
| Dudu678 | and also with iso8859-15 | 12:24 |
| Dudu678 | in smb.conf i have dos charset = 850 | 12:25 |
| Dudu678 | unix charset = ISO8859-1 | 12:25 |
| haggai | how about | 12:26 |
| haggai | codepage=unicode,iocharset=utf8,unicode | 12:26 |
| haggai | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/unicode.html | 12:27 |
| haggai | I'm no expert but that page seems to explain what is going on | 12:28 |
| Dudu678 | hmmm... ok | 12:30 |
| Dudu678 | thank you | 12:30 |
| Dudu678 | i'll try | 12:30 |
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| underlord | is there a way i can stop konqui from asking me if i want to have it remember passwords from html forms that doesnt involve a big hammer or throwing my monitor out of a window? | 01:21 |
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| haggai | underlord: control centre->web browswer->web behaviour-> [ ] Enable completion of forms | 01:23 |
| underlord | thats allready off | 01:24 |
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| underlord | you would expect that to work, but it seems that doesn't apply to storing username&pass combo's in the kde wallet service, only filling in of random information | 01:25 |
| haggai | ah | 01:26 |
| haggai | in kwalletmanager->settings you can either disable kwallet completely, or just disable it for konqueror | 01:27 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu: Preview Released http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/ | Feedback please: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewComments | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu): set by haggai at Sun Mar 20 10:35:48 2005 | ||
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| phed_ | hi. can I upgrade from debian to kubuntu? | 02:11 |
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| apokryphos | phed_: it is not recommended; there have been a few success stories, but also quite a few problems around. | 02:11 |
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| phed_ | well, so I should just keep my home folder and wipe the rest and install? | 02:12 |
| apokryphos | phed_: I recommend doing that, yes. Do you have your /home on a seperate partition? | 02:12 |
| phed_ | no, I don't. but I can probably just rm -R stuff manually. done that before. | 02:13 |
| phed_ | however, I'm a tad fatalistic. how could I do a kubuntu apt-upgrade? | 02:13 |
| apokryphos | Why would that mean you're fatalistic ;-) | 02:14 |
| apokryphos | phed_: do you mean from Debian? | 02:14 |
| phed_ | yes | 02:14 |
| apokryphos | In theory: change your sources.list, apt-get dist-upgrade | 02:14 |
| phed_ | mm, I assume I find a sources list at the website | 02:14 |
| apokryphos | You can in fact, yes. www.ubuntilinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary | 02:15 |
| phed_ | also, how successful is it to install stuff from the debian trunk? I mean, are there problems with apt'ing software that aren't in the kubuntu trunk? | 02:15 |
| phed_ | I develop a lot, and tend to use quite a few hairy libs. ;) | 02:15 |
| apokryphos | Quite a lot of people have the marillat repository; I do too, and haven't experienced any problems. | 02:16 |
| apokryphos | Whoops, that link should have been: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary | 02:16 |
| apokryphos | Though, the Ubuntu repository is huge. Practically every single package in Debian is in Ubuntu. Apart from a few "restricted formats", which you just have to add a new repos for. | 02:18 |
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| phed_ | apokryphos: yeah, I catched that. yeah, I am using debian on the laptop | 02:26 |
| phed_ | and I think debian isn't as well suited for that task really. | 02:26 |
| phed_ | but for development its excellent at least | 02:26 |
| phed_ | mm, that sources, does that include kde? | 02:28 |
| apokryphos | phed_: KDE is now in the main repository, so yes. | 02:28 |
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| apokryphos | g'day ztonzy | 02:30 |
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| ztonzy | apokryphos, hi...I am in just shortly | 02:35 |
| phed_ | Need to get 562MB of archives. After unpacking 81.0MB of additional disk space will be used. | 02:35 |
| phed_ | :) | 02:35 |
| phed_ | <3 apt | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | phed_: Let's hope it goes well; no guarantees, though. :) | 02:35 |
| phed_ | yeah. I usually get away with worse ;) | 02:36 |
| phed_ | apokryphos: the last time I gave up when was I tried to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 in slackware. on a 200MB partition. | 02:37 |
| apokryphos | hah | 02:37 |
| apokryphos | Ubuntu is not nearly that light. | 02:37 |
| underlord | anyone know how to get ubuntu to see a usb modem thats plugged in after boot (usbnet module)? | 02:38 |
| ztonzy | apokryphos, any news or fun to tell ? | 02:39 |
| apokryphos | Not so much; just reading the comments on slashdot about kubuntu. | 02:40 |
| ztonzy | aah, what is it ? | 02:41 |
| apokryphos | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/19/2045221.shtml?tid=190&tid=121&tid=106 | 02:41 |
| ztonzy | hmm | 02:43 |
| ztonzy | have to read later | 02:43 |
| apokryphos | Few useless comments, some interesting ones, some silly propaganda. | 02:44 |
| ztonzy | heh | 02:44 |
| ztonzy | well...later! | 02:44 |
| apokryphos | see ya :) | 02:44 |
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| alm | Is anyone else have problems with very slow konqueror web browsing? I have googled and it seems to be common, but no solutions | 03:20 |
| apokryphos | fine here | 03:21 |
| apokryphos | Might be worth asking in #kde | 03:22 |
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| garret | So ubuntu has the tools for handling network interfaces, does kubuntu offer something like this also? | 03:25 |
| apokryphos | garret: Yup, knetworkconf. | 03:25 |
| garret | great, looking now | 03:26 |
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| garret | hmmm, not installed by default? | 03:26 |
| garret | nope | 03:27 |
| apokryphos | nope | 03:28 |
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| underlord | wtf, i just got spam in japanese :| | 03:30 |
| Roey | =) | 03:30 |
| Roey | awesome | 03:30 |
| Roey | good morning | 03:30 |
| garret | what's the usage apokryphos? | 03:36 |
| garret | command | 03:36 |
| garret | don't see it popping up as an exectuable, or in menus | 03:36 |
| apokryphos | garret: check in kcontrol | 03:36 |
| apokryphos | Mornin' Roey | 03:36 |
| garret | ahh. gottcha! | 03:36 |
| garret | okay, seen this before . . . pick sarge? | 03:37 |
| apokryphos | I guess | 03:38 |
| garret | k, craches on me going to admin mode :-( | 03:39 |
| garret | fonts did the same, I'll get to it using konq | 03:40 |
| apokryphos | Re: crash; I have no idea; works fine here.. | 03:41 |
| apokryphos | one or two others had problem with going into Admin mode on the forum too | 03:41 |
| apokryphos | but no reported crashes | 03:41 |
| garret | not a true crash, a loop | 03:42 |
| garret | just takes me back to the choice again | 03:42 |
| apokryphos | garret: try running kdesu kcontrol, and thenc onfiguring | 03:42 |
| apokryphos | are you entering your user password? | 03:43 |
| garret | yes | 03:43 |
| garret | ah, good idea, get into kcontrol as root and problem is fixed, I like it | 03:43 |
| garret | checking | 03:43 |
| garret | works, but no control over wireless interfaces :-( | 03:45 |
| apokryphos | cool, and uncool | 03:46 |
| apokryphos | Does the Gnome one have such a feature? | 03:46 |
| garret | yeah, has anybody actually gotten the the "Wireless network" setting to work? | 03:46 |
| garret | yes, it control all interfaces for gnome | 03:47 |
| garret | including wireless | 03:47 |
| apokryphos | I don't know; I suspect there's likely stuff on the Ubuntu forums | 03:47 |
| apokryphos | or even the ubu site itself | 03:47 |
| garret | I'll take a look, just more of an IRC guy :-) | 03:48 |
| apokryphos | same | 03:48 |
| garret | that whole "instant gratification" thing :-) | 03:48 |
| garret | getting ready to install Kubuntu for 120 users, on two term servers | 03:50 |
| garret | now trying to get the laptop stuff figured | 03:50 |
| garret | have 10 of those also | 03:50 |
| apokryphos | garret: I think it's worth compiling a bug report (with a "recommendation") on wireless configuration with K. | 03:51 |
| apokryphos | garret: wow; excellent stuff. Good luck with that. | 03:51 |
| garret | thanks, will do the bug report also | 03:51 |
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| Mithsir | Hello! When I click on "Devices" in Konquerer, I get an error dialog box saying "Protocol not supported: devices" (or something like that). What am I missing? | 04:20 |
| Mithsir | Or in other words: how do I access my usb-cardreader that used to show up under devices? | 04:23 |
| noobietux | cd /home/your_user_name/usb | 04:25 |
| noobietux | sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /home/your_user_name/usb | 04:25 |
| Mithsir | no such file or diirectory. | 04:25 |
| Mithsir | oh, ok, I know how to manually mount stuff. but kde used to do that for me (which I liked).... | 04:25 |
| noobietux | create that directory before | 04:25 |
| Mithsir | but somehow, since kde 3.4, this doesn't work anymore. | 04:26 |
| noobietux | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems | 04:26 |
| kbitty | kde does not do this for you | 04:26 |
| kbitty | its just another daemon | 04:26 |
| Mithsir | well, it used to. there were entries for any entry of /etc/fstab in "devices" | 04:27 |
| kbitty | kde was only a front end of the configuration file i think | 04:27 |
| noobietux | make a clean fstab and it will be ok | 04:28 |
| noobietux | does someone use amarok here? | 04:28 |
| kbitty | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22042 | 04:28 |
| noobietux | (sorry for my english) | 04:28 |
| kbitty | i moded the kde3.4 wallpapper and dropped the kubuntu logo | 04:29 |
| Mithsir | I use amarok | 04:29 |
| noobietux | wich version do you have installed? | 04:30 |
| kbitty | i use xmms or noatun | 04:30 |
| kbitty | or mplayer | 04:30 |
| kbitty | 5.04 | 04:30 |
| noobietux | nice wallpaper kbitty | 04:30 |
| kbitty | want it? | 04:30 |
| apokryphos | noobietux: 1.2.1 | 04:30 |
| Mithsir | noobietux, I cleaned my fstab, still no luck (do I have to restart some daemon?) | 04:30 |
| Mithsir | # amarok --version | 04:31 |
| Mithsir | Qt: 3.3.3 | 04:31 |
| Mithsir | KDE: 3.4.0 | 04:31 |
| Mithsir | amaroK: 1.2.1 | 04:31 |
| noobietux | Mithsir: you haven't deleted your fstab? | 04:31 |
| marcusT | is there a best practice to link kubuntu bugs to kde upstream bugs and vice versa? | 04:32 |
| noobietux | i've got a really annoying bug with amarok: in my collection when i chose an artist/album classification nothing appear | 04:32 |
| Mithsir | noobietux, should I delete it? | 04:32 |
| noobietux | Mithsir: no | 04:32 |
| Mithsir | noobietux, good :-) | 04:32 |
| noobietux | make correct rules in it an everything will be mounted properly | 04:33 |
| kbitty | Mithsir, http://geocities.com/kasper002003/KDE34_kooby.png | 04:33 |
| kbitty | for kubuntu fans! | 04:34 |
| apokryphos | noobietux: did you select the directory to have amaroK import to collection? | 04:34 |
| noobietux | yes, when i classify only by artist it works fine | 04:34 |
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| apokryphos | I don't have that problem here; did you get it from the repos? | 04:35 |
| noobietux | but when i choose album only or combined with another rule nothing appears | 04:35 |
| noobietux | apokryphos: yes i think so | 04:35 |
| kbitty | ne one thing this wallpapper i posted is better than default? | 04:35 |
| kbitty | think* | 04:35 |
| Mithsir | kbitty, thanks | 04:36 |
| apokryphos | noobietux: could you paste the first line output of sudo dpkg -l | grep amarok? | 04:36 |
| Mithsir | kbitty, I like it. | 04:36 |
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| noobietux | ii amarok 1.2.1-0ubuntu5 versatile and easy to use audio player for K | 04:37 |
| kbitty | ty Mithsir | 04:37 |
| apokryphos | Yup, definitely from the repositories. No idea why you're getting that error. | 04:37 |
| kbitty | where can i find some kubuntu art work? | 04:38 |
| kbitty | bootsplashes and so on? | 04:38 |
| apokryphos | kbitty: The release has just come out; such a site does not exist. | 04:38 |
| kbitty | damn | 04:39 |
| kbitty | well has ne one here got wallpappers or something of their own they made for kubuntu? | 04:40 |
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| kbitty | http://geocities.com/kasper002003/16580-2.png | 04:49 |
| kbitty | good to use as login screen | 04:49 |
| Telep | :D | 04:50 |
| noobietux | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20622 | 04:54 |
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| ricardog | hi there | 05:08 |
| kbitty | hi | 05:08 |
| ricardog | would anyone like to help a kubuntu noob? | 05:08 |
| kbitty | whats the problem? | 05:09 |
| ricardog | I keep losing sudo-ability | 05:09 |
| ricardog | everyhting is fine until I run kuser | 05:09 |
| ricardog | (trying to add another account) | 05:10 |
| ricardog | then I'm unable to sudo anything after that | 05:11 |
| kbitty | hmmm | 05:12 |
| ricardog | "sudo: no passwd entry for root!" | 05:12 |
| kbitty | i could sudo kuser then exit and still use sudo | 05:12 |
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| ricardog | now I'm a little stuck with what I'm able to do | 05:13 |
| ricardog | any suggestions? | 05:13 |
| ricardog | logging in and out does not help | 05:13 |
| ricardog | restarting does not help | 05:13 |
| ricardog | now I can't enable or log in as root | 05:14 |
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| ricardog | OK, well thanks for your time, kbitty. I'll keep on hammering my head on the monitor | 05:19 |
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| bhna | is there any plan for a bootscreen like other distribution (e.g. SuSE) | 05:30 |
| apokryphos | Not sure, but you can make your own. | 05:33 |
| bhna | i read anywhere they developing a new typ of bootsreen | 05:35 |
| kbitty | i use debian bootsplash | 05:42 |
| kbitty | included on the cd | 05:42 |
| kbitty | if i knew how to make the xpm images i will be making them | 05:42 |
| kbitty | bhna join my ircd, if i manage to make a kubuntu one tonight | 05:42 |
| apokryphos | kbitty: erm, GIMP? | 05:47 |
| kbitty | yes i can make them in gimp | 05:48 |
| kbitty | i was talking about the tools in gimp is more difficult to use in gimp rather than me making my photoshop art | 05:49 |
| Roey | kbitty: but at least .XCF is a documented format. | 05:54 |
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| installnewb | interesting | 06:11 |
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| buz | i was wondering, how do i activate gtk-qt? | 06:12 |
| installnewb | I must have closed the list of people who are in the channel somehow | 06:12 |
| regeya | what irc client | 06:13 |
| regeya | see if there's a little grab-bar on the right-hand side of the window | 06:13 |
| regeya | that happens sometimes with xchat | 06:13 |
| installnewb | Ahhh yes, success | 06:14 |
| installnewb | Thanks | 06:14 |
| regeya | np :) | 06:14 |
| installnewb | I'm slowly migrating to linux | 06:14 |
| === buz finds this to be the first linux distro that really works for him. props for that | ||
| installnewb | I'm getting errors when I try to do the apt-get install of Kubuntu over an existing install of Ubuntu | 06:15 |
| regeya | buz: it's pretty remarkable, isn't it | 06:15 |
| installnewb | jpmyers@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 06:15 |
| installnewb | Reading Package Lists... Done | 06:15 |
| installnewb | Building Dependency Tree... Done | 06:15 |
| installnewb | E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop | 06:15 |
| buz | yeah it is | 06:15 |
| installnewb | Is that because I need to add more servers to the repisitory? | 06:15 |
| regeya | are you using hoary sources, installnewb? | 06:15 |
| installnewb | I'm not sure, I'm working on a fresh install of 4.10 warty install. | 06:16 |
| buz | i'm usually more the BSD guy but for desktops, BSD is a bit too picky about hardware support | 06:16 |
| installnewb | How can I find out? | 06:16 |
| psn | installnewb: well if it's a fresh warty install you're not | 06:17 |
| installnewb | When your name is in yellow, is that a whisper? | 06:17 |
| installnewb | I'm new to x-chat | 06:17 |
| pv_ | It's probably an ordinary highlight, as your nick was mentioned. | 06:18 |
| installnewb | oh i see, thanks | 06:19 |
| installnewb | Is there a way to update Warty to Hoary? | 06:20 |
| regeya | yes; in /etc/apt/sources.list, iirc all you have to do is change every instance of "warty" to "hoary" | 06:23 |
| installnewb | will it work to simply replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list then use apt-get to upgrade my packages? | 06:23 |
| regeya | then apt-get update | 06:23 |
| regeya | then upgrade :-) heh | 06:23 |
| installnewb | Should I take the octothorpe off these lines? # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe | 06:26 |
| installnewb | # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe | 06:26 |
| installnewb | I'm new to debian in general | 06:27 |
| installnewb | I'm going to uncomment the universe respositories as I think they may be necessary for me | 06:28 |
| DarthFrog | installnewb: Yes. And add multiverse to that line, too. | 06:29 |
| DarthFrog | installnewb: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories | 06:29 |
| DarthFrog | installnewb: And mentally substitue hoary for warty on that page. | 06:30 |
| installnewb | does multiverse extend my package selection to the typical debian packages? | 06:30 |
| DarthFrog | installnewb: Mulitverse contains non-free packages that have some restrictions. | 06:31 |
| DarthFrog | installnewb: Universe will give you only free packages. | 06:31 |
| installnewb | I see, thank you. | 06:31 |
| DarthFrog | You're welcome. | 06:32 |
| DarthFrog | And welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-) | 06:32 |
| installnewb | deb http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories :is this correct? It's saying malformed line | 06:33 |
| installnewb | when i try to update | 06:33 |
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| amiroff | hello, how can I make ctrl+enter work in konqueror like in firefox? | 06:35 |
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| phxguy | can someone help me with my External USB Drive? | 06:39 |
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| marcusT | phxguy: to do what? | 06:55 |
| phxguy | for some reason my maxtor usb harddrive doesn't mount | 06:58 |
| marcusT | does not mount as in "i click and nothing happens" or does not mount as in "I do "mount -something" and I get an error" | 06:59 |
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| phxguy | marcusT: It shows up in the media folder and i click on it but i get an error that says mount: can't find /dev/sde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab | 07:02 |
| marcusT | phxguy: you installed pmount? | 07:02 |
| phxguy | marcusT: how would I know?? | 07:02 |
| phxguy | do I have to install that seperate from the kubunt insntall?// | 07:03 |
| marcusT | phxguy: well, there's a bug out there stating that and the outstanding issues page says it too | 07:03 |
| marcusT | but you're right, you don't have to... reason for people like me to stick around | 07:03 |
| marcusT | phxguy: just apt-get install pmount | 07:03 |
| phxguy | ok doing that now. what does it do (just out of curiosity) | 07:04 |
| phxguy | ... yeah i saw that it doesn't automount in the 'known problems' area | 07:04 |
| phxguy | marcusT: ok it is done downloading/installing | 07:05 |
| marcusT | phxguy: user space mounting... makes it possible that for your hald to tell the userspace that there is a new device that can be mounted | 07:05 |
| marcusT | do a /etc/init.d/dbus restart | 07:05 |
| marcusT | it's dbus-1 | 07:05 |
| phxguy | marcusT: i type: /etc/init.d/dbus restart and i got: /etc/init.d/dbus: No such file or directory | 07:06 |
| marcusT | as I said, it's /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart | 07:06 |
| phxguy | o sorry | 07:07 |
| phxguy | marcusT: It told me permission denied | 07:07 |
| marcusT | then prepend a sudo | 07:07 |
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| phxguy | ok that time it did what it does It gave me 4 ok to the right | 07:08 |
| phxguy | should i be able to access it now? | 07:08 |
| marcusT | excelent, now try again what you did... | 07:08 |
| marcusT | yepp, you should | 07:08 |
| phxguy | it gove me an error still | 07:09 |
| marcusT | does it say the same thing as before? | 07:09 |
| phxguy | marcusT: The file or folder media:/sde1 does not exist | 07:10 |
| marcusT | phxguy: well, maybe you need to restart kde | 07:10 |
| phxguy | marcusT: do I have to make a folder for each sde device??? | 07:10 |
| marcusT | nope, they'll be created automagically | 07:10 |
| phxguy | marcusT: ok i think i do need to restart because now i cannot even access my home folder or linux drive | 07:11 |
| marcusT | we'll that's something that should not happen... | 07:11 |
| phxguy | marcusT: should i just log out and log back in or should do a full restart?? | 07:11 |
| marcusT | phxguy: sorry, I have to leave... just restart and retry... | 07:11 |
| marcusT | nope, just restart KDE, i.e. logout and login | 07:12 |
| phxguy | alright thanks for your help. cross your fingers :) | 07:12 |
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| amiroff | guy is there a way to make konqui open a .com site with ctrl+enter shotrcut? | 07:20 |
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| treke | ok now this is strange | 07:50 |
| treke | if I have juk and noatun paused and then unpause noatun, both apps start playing | 07:50 |
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| spiral | hi | 07:51 |
| spiral | anyone using ubuntu on a ppc here ? | 07:52 |
| treke | I do | 07:52 |
| haggai | treke: we wanted to make amarok the default player anyway | 07:55 |
| === treke prefers the juk/noatun combination, but that's just personal preference | ||
| spiral | treke: nice... does it work nice ? | 07:56 |
| spiral | is it a recent one ? | 07:56 |
| treke | spiral: works well | 07:56 |
| spiral | somebody just stole my laptop... | 07:56 |
| treke | somewhat recent | 07:56 |
| spiral | and I want to buy a new one... | 07:56 |
| spiral | and I thought about buying an ibook | 07:57 |
| treke | if you want to run linux, I wouldnt recommend buying an apple laptop | 07:57 |
| spiral | treke: is it so hard ? | 07:57 |
| treke | hard? no | 07:57 |
| treke | hardware support just isn't quite there | 07:57 |
| treke | and quite likely never will be | 07:58 |
| spiral | treke: I had lots of problems with my pc laptop... | 07:58 |
| amu | spiral: also running it on a ppc | 07:58 |
| spiral | amu: and you think the same about apple laptops ? | 07:58 |
| treke | wireless will probably not ever work, and video performance is pretty poor | 07:58 |
| treke | the single mouse button is an annoyance, but there is a way to emulate it other two on a keyboard that works pretty well | 07:59 |
| amu | spiral: if you buy an new laptop, your wlan will not work. If you can live with this all other hardware will be supported, at least i run a pcmcia-wlan and a usb-wlan | 08:00 |
| amu | spiral: linux on a ppc rocks | 08:00 |
| treke | you're also not going to have any support for hardware accelerated opengl | 08:00 |
| amu | treke: that would be a real problem if you rendering your own movies | 08:01 |
| treke | I know suspend works on the ati based powerbooks, do you know if it works on the nvidias? | 08:02 |
| spiral | amu: wlan... I need wifi... | 08:03 |
| treke | spiral: You can use a pcmcia card if you get a powerbook or a usb dongle | 08:03 |
| spiral | ah damn... the single mouse button... damn apple | 08:03 |
| spiral | and no scroll ? | 08:03 |
| treke | no scoll wheel | 08:03 |
| amu | treke: hmm never tried, i have 3 pb's and 1 ibook, all of then have a ati | 08:03 |
| spiral | hmmm, is it hard to keep macos & install kubuntu on the same laptop ? | 08:04 |
| treke | That's something to look into before getting one | 08:04 |
| treke | fairly easy | 08:04 |
| amu | spiral: works out of the box | 08:04 |
| spiral | hmmm, yeah... and bluetooth ? | 08:05 |
| treke | cool. I never tried it with ubuntu | 08:05 |
| treke | needed the space, so I removed OSX | 08:05 |
| spiral | so I can't use included wifi modules if they exist ? | 08:05 |
| treke | spiral: right | 08:05 |
| treke | you can't use the built in wireless | 08:05 |
| amu | spiral: i told you before all hardware is supported except extreme wireless | 08:05 |
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| spiral | amu: what is extreme wireless ? airport thing ? | 08:06 |
| treke | yes | 08:06 |
| treke | perhaps some day a driver will exist | 08:06 |
| treke | but I wouldn't count on it happening | 08:06 |
| amu | treke: guess never :) | 08:06 |
| spiral | are they mac laptops wifi powered (no airport) ? | 08:06 |
| treke | I think all of the current macs use airport extreme | 08:07 |
| treke | which is one of the broadcom chipsets | 08:07 |
| spiral | treke: all right | 08:07 |
| treke | if you want osx and linux then an apple is a good choice | 08:08 |
| treke | I just don't think it's the best way to go for a linux only machine | 08:08 |
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| spiral | treke: I have to use office for my school... | 08:14 |
| spiral | and can't stand windows anymore... | 08:14 |
| spiral | So I thought about apple... | 08:14 |
| treke | I guess it comes down to preference | 08:16 |
| treke | I'd rather deal with windows if I needed something like office | 08:16 |
| treke | since linux would suit me better on the x86 hardware | 08:17 |
| treke | and it's my primary use of the laptop | 08:17 |
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| P229 | StarOffice seems much more compatible with Word formatting, if that's the issue | 08:20 |
| treke | I've had some really bad experiences with openoffice and excell | 08:21 |
| treke | I really dont trust it any more :) | 08:21 |
| haggai | P229: that would be difficult seeing as it is exactly the same codebase as OOo | 08:21 |
| P229 | haggai: well, maybe they just have the default formattings set differently. | 08:22 |
| P229 | haggai: I didn't mess around with it too much, so all I know is that OpenOffice doesn't correctly open some documents created in Word, but StarOffice (in Solaris 10) handled them ok | 08:23 |
| hoschbert | hi! what can I do with this problem: xorg causes a lag of about 4 seconds... typing top shows xorg using a lot of cpu-power, in X everything is "paused".. any idea? | 08:28 |
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| mdke | hi all. Is there a way to get volumes mounting automatically with kubuntu? | 09:02 |
| mdke | do you have an equivalent to gnome-volume-manager | 09:02 |
| teprrr | hmm, I think no, not yet | 09:03 |
| mdke | ok np | 09:03 |
| teprrr | not sure about this though... | 09:03 |
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| noobietux | salut tout le monde | 09:11 |
| noobietux | Hello here | 09:11 |
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| Telep | salut | 09:12 |
| noobietux | does anyone know how to add a mirror's gpg key ? | 09:12 |
| Telep | hrmm, well you'd need to know the key first | 09:12 |
| noobietux | i have the key but i don't know what to do with it | 09:13 |
| noobietux | it is for this repository : http://archive.kalyxo.org/ | 09:13 |
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| naerex | hi i tested kubuntu and its GREAT !! (im french) ;) | 09:19 |
| Riddell | formidable | 09:19 |
| naerex | Riddell> tu parles francais ? | 09:19 |
| naerex | ubuntu is good too but i never like gnome | 09:20 |
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| Riddell | naerex: un petit peux | 09:22 |
| Telep | mys fysiikkaa, matikkaa ja yleisesti matemaattisluonnontieteellisi aineita on melko helppo pst lukemaan yliopistoon, jos prjsi edes keskinkertaisesti lukiossa | 09:22 |
| Riddell | naerex: un petit peut | 09:22 |
| Telep | oops | 09:22 |
| Riddell | hmm | 09:23 |
| Telep | arr, silly split windows :D | 09:23 |
| noobietux | kuduntu c'est vraiment bien | 09:23 |
| naerex | noobietux> ouais :) | 09:23 |
| Telep | tout fait | 09:23 |
| naerex | noobietux> je vais enfin passer en Full Linux ;) | 09:23 |
| noobietux | :) | 09:24 |
| noobietux | Kubuntu c'est bon mangez en | 09:24 |
| Telep | lol | 09:24 |
| Riddell | noobietux: bon mangez? good to eat? | 09:25 |
| naerex | pour KDE en francais on fait comment par contre ? | 09:25 |
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| noobietux | Riddell: it's a way of saying that it is a good thing | 09:25 |
| Riddell | quelle bizarre | 09:26 |
| naerex | j'ai DL ca --> kde-i18n-3.4.0.tar.bz2 | 09:26 |
| noobietux | with apt-get | 09:26 |
| noobietux | sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr | 09:26 |
| naerex | no i use kynaptic but this file i DL it with konqueror | 09:26 |
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| Riddell | oui kde-i18n etre fais cette semain j'espaire | 09:28 |
| noobietux | Riddell: it is done i've already installed it | 09:28 |
| naerex | yes me too | 09:29 |
| naerex | 250Mo | 09:29 |
| Riddell | mais kde-i18n 3.4 n'est pas en kubuntu maintainant | 09:29 |
| naerex | Riddell> tu veux dire : pas dans le depos ? | 09:30 |
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| noobietux | Riddell: a fonctionne chez moi | 09:32 |
| naerex | noobietux> avec apt-get ? | 09:32 |
| noobietux | oui | 09:32 |
| naerex | noobietux> ca ne derange pas le system de faire comme ca ? | 09:32 |
| noobietux | sudo apt-get update avant | 09:32 |
| bhna | is this a french channel? | 09:32 |
| Telep | no | 09:33 |
| Telep | non :) | 09:33 |
| bhna | nein? | 09:33 |
| naerex | bhna> no but 2 french speak in french its easely ;) | 09:33 |
| noobietux | naerex: apt-get is the default util for installing packages | 09:33 |
| bhna | but i cant understand | 09:34 |
| naerex | noobietux> kynaptic use apt-get ? | 09:34 |
| naerex | bhna> true | 09:34 |
| noobietux | yes i think | 09:34 |
| naerex | bhna> sorry :) | 09:34 |
| noobietux | kynaptic is a front end | 09:34 |
| naerex | noobietux> you don't use it ? | 09:35 |
| noobietux | sometimes, when i don't know the precise name of the package | 09:35 |
| naerex | noobietux> when i create an user with Kuser it crash | 09:37 |
| bhna | why don't you use ctrl+f | 09:37 |
| noobietux | naerex: i am quite new to linux | 09:37 |
| bhna | you can search name summary and description | 09:38 |
| naerex | bhna> for the bug ? | 09:38 |
| dimma1 | so who should i ask to get the 2405fpw monitor working by default without having to manually edit the xorg.conf file? | 09:39 |
| dimma1 | i thought this would be the first absolutely perfect distro for me since it works spectacularly on my laptop... just the desktop display doesn't work by default | 09:39 |
| dimma1 | everything else is perfect... i am quite impressed | 09:40 |
| naerex | what is 2405fpw ? | 09:40 |
| dimma1 | dell's 24" widescreen display | 09:40 |
| bhna | drimma1: what's the problem? | 09:40 |
| dimma1 | flatpanel... gets detected as a crt when probed | 09:40 |
| naerex | i don't know. the resolution is special ? | 09:40 |
| dimma1 | just doesn't work unless i edit the xorg.conf myself | 09:41 |
| Telep | puh, Angel on menny oudoksi | 09:41 |
| dimma1 | 1920 x 1200 | 09:41 |
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| naerex | kubuntu is perfect for day to day use :) | 09:41 |
| Telep | quite so | 09:41 |
| dimma1 | that is the native resolution | 09:41 |
| dimma1 | it can do lower no problem... it is that the refresh rate isn't detected properly... so it won't display after the first restart during installation | 09:41 |
| naerex | in french we says: sans se prendre la tete ;) | 09:41 |
| dimma1 | so i have to use recovery mode or ctrl-alt-FX to a different console to edit the xorg.conf file | 09:42 |
| naerex | dimma1> refresh is not 60hz ? | 09:43 |
| dimma1 | not by default | 09:43 |
| dimma1 | it gets detected as a typical crt | 09:43 |
| bhna | dimma1: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/printthread.php?t=47376 | 09:43 |
| dimma1 | with max resolution of 1600x1200 | 09:44 |
| dimma1 | i just wanted to make the report so hopefully it work by default in future releases | 09:44 |
| dimma1 | if there is anything kubuntu can do to remedy it | 09:45 |
| naerex | dimma1> knoppix detect your screen ? | 09:45 |
| naerex | "detect correctly" | 09:45 |
| dimma1 | i'll give it a shot | 09:45 |
| naerex | i dont understand | 09:45 |
| naerex | a shot ? | 09:46 |
| dimma1 | a try | 09:46 |
| dimma1 | i will boot up with knoppix to see what happens | 09:46 |
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| naerex | it a good test for see what happen | 09:47 |
| lytefyre | anyone sucessfull with booting kubuntu off an external hdd ? | 09:47 |
| dimma1 | yeah... is that how kubuntu detects hardware? | 09:47 |
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| dimma1 | i have always been impressed with knoppix | 09:48 |
| naerex | kubuntu use udev hal and hotplug no ? | 09:48 |
| naerex | and dbus | 09:48 |
| Riddell | naerex: yes media:/ | 09:49 |
| naerex | great :) | 09:49 |
| Riddell | may need to install pmount first | 09:49 |
| lytefyre | ive got a pivot_root error on my kubuntu install | 09:49 |
| bhna | i have no luck with hal, dbus +pmount | 09:50 |
| naerex | Riddell> i plug usbkey and photo and he mount directly | 09:50 |
| bhna | kubuntu doesn't detecdt my usb-stick | 09:50 |
| Riddell | bhna: in media:/ ? | 09:51 |
| naerex | but kubuntu is a beta ? | 09:51 |
| bhna | Riddell> yes, in media. no usbstick no icon ... | 09:52 |
| haggai | bhna: what does 'lsusb' tell you? | 09:53 |
| Roey | hi | 09:53 |
| Roey | I want to build CVS HEAD KDE on my own. Is prelinking KDE and/or Qt dangerous?? | 09:54 |
| naerex | i go to sleep bye all :) | 09:54 |
| bhna | Riddell>naerex>by | 09:54 |
| lytefyre | hello ? | 09:55 |
| Roey | bye naere | 09:55 |
| bhna | Riddell>i don't no, i will try it. | 09:55 |
| Roey | x | 09:55 |
| lytefyre | anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview | 09:59 |
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| lytefyre | install went fine and grub shows entries too, but it stalls with pivot_root:no such directory and cannot open dev/console | 10:00 |
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| brainkilla | #join #amarok | 10:01 |
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| bhna | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 | 10:02 |
| bhna | Riddell> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 | 10:02 |
| haggai | bhna: that doesn't list your device at all | 10:02 |
| haggai | bhna: it won't work in kde if the kernel doesn't even see it | 10:03 |
| brainkilla | hey guys | 10:03 |
| bhna | haggai> what can i do? no problems with knoppix, suse ... | 10:03 |
| brainkilla | if I start d/l-ing kubuntu now, what do I get? | 10:04 |
| brainkilla | I mean, kde 3.4, but what parts of it? | 10:04 |
| haggai | bhna: check the output of 'dmesg' to see if there is anything mentioned about the device | 10:05 |
| haggai | bhna: and try removing/readding the device | 10:05 |
| Riddell | try sudo modprobe usb-storage | 10:06 |
| bhna | usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 | 10:06 |
| bhna | haggai>dmesg: usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 | 10:06 |
| haggai | ouch | 10:07 |
| haggai | bhna: please file a bug against linux-image package and copy that output in the bug report | 10:08 |
| bhna | haggai>ok | 10:08 |
| bhna | haggai> any link for the bug-report-form | 10:11 |
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| haggai | bhna: bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 10:11 |
| bhna | haggai> thanks ;-) | 10:12 |
| bhna | Riddell> lsmod: ide_core 118988 5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,piix,ide_disk | 10:16 |
| bhna | there is a problem with kynaptic. it's starts only via konsole | 10:18 |
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| lytefyre | anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview | 10:26 |
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| lytefyre | anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ? | 10:35 |
| amu | lytefyre: not happend till now | 10:36 |
| lytefyre | amu : any idea why it happens ? along with a dev/console not being found | 10:36 |
| amu | lytefyre: you boot from a usb-cdrom and got this error? | 10:36 |
| lytefyre | amu: usb-hdd | 10:36 |
| amu | hmm could you add an boot-argument: like ide=reverse as a kernel-bootparameter? | 10:38 |
| lytefyre | well it boots of grub so yeah i can add that argument but havent tried it..u think its worth a shot ? | 10:39 |
| amu | lytefyre: you run a warty or hoary? | 10:41 |
| lytefyre | hoary | 10:41 |
| lytefyre | im trying to run a hoary..this is my first with an ubuntu :) | 10:41 |
| amu | well, it's worth to try it | 10:42 |
| lytefyre | k thanks amu | 10:42 |
| amu | lytefyre: the same happens on a liveCD? did you got the same error message? | 10:42 |
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| dimmak | anybody timing out when trying to connect to us.archive.ubunu.com:80? | 11:40 |
| dimmak | i can't apt-get with the default repository | 11:40 |
| Quinn_Storm | dimmak: I think others are...I'm just using archive.ubuntu.com myself | 11:41 |
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| phxguy | is anyone else experiencing problems with the ubuntu repositories??? | 11:58 |
| Quinn_Storm | phxguy: some people are yes | 11:58 |
| phxguy | thought so .... Im getting a lot of failed msgs when i try to refresh my repositories | 11:59 |
| phxguy | Quinn_Storm, Do you thin i shouuld wait then before downloading kubuntu??? | 12:00 |
| Quinn_Storm | phxguy: not sure | 12:00 |
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