[12:03] <mdz> xenonite: it is localized for as many languages as we could fit
[12:03] <mdz> xenonite: which one did you try?
[12:05] <Pointwood> apokryphos: after changing sources.list (taken from this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary%20upgrading ), the command I need to issue is apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:06] <apokryphos> Pointwood: that will get you hoary
[12:06] <Pointwood> cool
[12:06] <apokryphos> 8)
[12:07] <Pointwood> 675 upgraded, 163 newly installed, 28 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[12:07] <Pointwood> 7 not fully installed or removed.
[12:07] <Pointwood> Need to get 268MB/478MB of archives.
[12:07] <Pointwood> After unpacking 251MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:07] <Pointwood> will take some time :)
[12:07] <apokryphos> Heh, yup. For all the details and to know what you're doing, check the "installingKDE" article on the wiki
[12:08] <Pointwood> it estimates ~15 min. to download it
[12:08] <Pointwood> will do
[12:08] <apokryphos> sweet
[12:09] <Pointwood> hopefully I'll end up with something that's not completely broken :p
[12:10] <apokryphos> apt upgrades have generally gone very well, as far as I've seen
[12:10] <Pointwood> yeah, that's what I hear :)
[12:10] <Pointwood> :)
[12:10] <apokryphos> let me know if you have any more problems/questions
[12:10] <Pointwood> thx
[12:10] <Pointwood> I'll go read up on kubuntu :)
[12:11] <incubii> kubuntu installed nicely
[12:14] <dimmak> i am gonna try this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor/view?searchterm=resolution ...for my dell 2405fpw issue... If I am successful, I will be sure to tell.
[12:15] <dimmak> i should probably apt-get and do the nvidia driver installation too in recovery mode
[12:18] <phxguy> can anyone help me with my nvidia card
[12:20] <dimmak> maybe me... what is your problem?
[12:20] <phxguy> i have installed the nvidia drivers un ubuntu but now that i am in Kubuntu the nvidia control panel; doesn't open
[12:21] <incubii> not a real loss
[12:21] <incubii> lol
[12:21] <dimmak> try running it from a terminal and see what errors you get.
[12:23] <phxguy> Geez!!! Im Such a Dub-ass sometimes....
[12:23] <phxguy> i had a typo in the command in the menu =)
[12:23] <Pointwood> you said that yourself ;)
[12:24] <phxguy> lol
[12:24] <dimmak> well... good that it is remedied
[12:24] <Pointwood> and it looks like no one is arguing with you :p
[12:24] <phxguy> thanks
[12:24] <phxguy> wouldn't have thought of checking the command till you said to run it in a terminal window
[12:25] <dimmak> cool
[12:25] <phxguy> anyone here know anything about modprobe errors????
[12:25] <dimmak> i am currently doing a reprobe of my monitor to get my dell 2405fpw display working: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor/view?searchterm=resolution
[12:26] <phxguy> I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide.org and added pciehp to the blacklist file... but i still get the error:  modprobe fatal error  inserting pciehp....... device does not exist
[12:32] <dimmak> the dell 2405fpw is currently probed with id: dell 2405fpw, a max res of 1680x1680, freq: 30-81 56-76, distype: crt .... wrong wrong wrong
[12:34] <dimmak> i remember when installing it to my laptop after the first restart i was able to check what the display resolutions would be... i didn't get the same privilege when installing on my desktop... i immediately was presented with a "cannot display" error from my monitor after the first restart
[12:43] <dimmak> no easy work around... i'll just take a break for a while before i go in to manually edit config files
[12:58] <Brian_P> can anyone help me get my nvidia 3d working?  I updated the driver with Kynaptic and rebooted and still no 3d...
[12:59] <Brian_P> anybody home here?  lol
[01:01] <billytwowilly> Brian_P: 
[01:01] <Brian_P> hi
[01:01] <billytwowilly> you probably have to edit your xorg.conf
[01:01] <Brian_P> ok
[01:01] <Brian_P> I know how to do dthat
[01:01] <billytwowilly> I did for the ati drivers anyway.
[01:01] <Brian_P> just wasnt sure I needed too
[01:02] <Brian_P> to
[01:02] <Brian_P> Thanks Billy
[01:02] <billytwowilly> np.
[01:02] <billytwowilly> hopefully that works for you.
[01:02] <Brian_P> was going to make a flaming comment, but you quelled my urge
[01:02] <billytwowilly> check the wiki out too.
[01:02] <Brian_P> :D
[01:02] <billytwowilly> that should have a fairly complete howto on how to get it all set up.
[01:02] <Brian_P> ok
[01:03] <Brian_P> where is the wiki?
[01:03] <billytwowilly> which is probably why noone else was saying anything.
[01:03] <billytwowilly> ubuntulinux.org
[01:03] <Brian_P> no one else was saying anything cuz their all dead stiffs  :D
[01:05] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[01:06] <FX|Laptop> I just installed kubuntu through apt and it seems pretty nice
[01:06] <FX|Laptop> Couple of questions though.
[01:06] <FX|Laptop> Can I get icons for like say the trash can and my home on the desktop and if so how?
[01:09] <apokryphos> For Home: Right-click > Create New > Link to Location. Then enter /home/user
[01:10] <FX|Laptop> duh..........thanks. lol
[01:10] <apokryphos> For trash, same thing
[01:10] <apokryphos> link to: trash:/
[01:10] <Pointwood> apokryphos: upgrade finished :)
[01:10] <apokryphos> cool
[01:10] <Pointwood> I guess I should restart then :)
[01:10] <apokryphos> yup
[01:10] <apokryphos> kernel reboot
[01:11] <Pointwood> there goes my (not so excellent) uptime :p
[01:11] <apokryphos> how many hours?
[01:12] <apokryphos>  00:12:37 up 3 days -- not bad, for me.
[01:12] <Pointwood>  01:12:23 up 17 days,  1:50,  8 users,  load average: 1.33, 1.62, 1.64
[01:12] <apokryphos> heh
[01:13] <Pointwood> 8 users?
[01:13] <apokryphos> weird; mine has just the two.
[01:14] <FX|Laptop> I need to find a email notification like gnome has.
[01:15] <apokryphos> Supported in Kmail
[01:15] <FX|Laptop> I use Thunderbird
[01:15] <apokryphos> you can also have it tell you how many new in systray icon
[01:16] <apokryphos> Not sure if it has a feature for that; possibly not.
[01:16] <Pointwood> I've tried to like Evolution, but that was a no go in warty at least
[01:16] <Pointwood> I'm using Thunderbird
[01:17] <apokryphos> Evolution is not bad, and Thunderbird isn't too bad if a little simple. Kontact's tight intergration is hard to ignore, though. Kmail is sweet.
[01:18] <Pointwood> I was trying to live with as many gnome apps as possible since Ubuntu is gnome based :)
[01:18] <Pointwood> I like Thunderbird
[01:19] <apokryphos> Sure; whatever floats your boat. :)
[01:19] <Pointwood> yeah :)
[01:19] <Pointwood> but if I switch to kubuntu, who knows ;)
[01:20] <FX|Laptop> hmm how can I configure systray?
[01:21] <apokryphos> FX|Laptop: what are you looking to change?
[01:21] <FX|Laptop> Well I would like to get some kind of email notification.
[01:22] <apokryphos> oh, you'll have to check w/Thunderbird. Not sure if it has a tray icon, even.
[01:23] <FX|Laptop> I was looking for something maybe in superkaramba
[01:23] <FX|Laptop> Thunderbird has a sound notification, but really doesn't work well.
[01:24] <jsubl2> where is the faq that gives you the deb sources for w32codecs
[01:24] <apokryphos> jsubl2: you can't get it from apt?
[01:25] <jsubl2> really
[01:25] <mainer> apt-get install w32codecs
[01:25] <apokryphos> FX|Laptop: kde-look.org is your best bet, for that. Though doubtful, as kmail is kde's email client.
[01:25] <jsubl2> Couldn't find package w32codecs.. i must be missing a line in my sources.list
[01:26] <apokryphos> jsubl2: yup; one sec, I'll find you the link
[01:26] <jsubl2> thank you
[01:26] <apokryphos> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/restrictedformats
[01:26] <apokryphos> should be mentioned there
[01:26] <jsubl2> thanks
[01:27] <apokryphos> np
[01:27] <mainer> sorry i use debian repositorys at times
[01:36] <Pointwood> apokryphos: upgrade seems to have gone resonable well, though I have a sound problem
[01:36] <apokryphos> no sound?
[01:38] <Pointwood> I got "system sounds", but I tried playing the net radio I usually listen to with mplayer and that was a no go
[01:38] <Pointwood> xmms wouldn't play either
[01:39] <apokryphos> hm, I'm actually pretty bad with hardware ;-). Hmm, are your alsamixer settings alright?
[01:39] <Pointwood> I have no idea :)
[01:40] <apokryphos> terminal > alsamixer
[01:40] <apokryphos> check that, say, Master is up, and PCM..
[01:40] <Pointwood> hrm...rythmbox can play
[01:40] <apokryphos> aha
[01:40] <apokryphos> It's likely an engine issue, then.
[01:42] <Pointwood> yeah
[01:43] <apokryphos> Pointwood: not an amaroK fan?
[01:43] <apokryphos> It's very good. :)
[01:43] <Pointwood> apokryphos: does it play .asf streaming? ;)
[01:44] <apokryphos> no idea; I only use it for MP3s. You could check on their site
[01:44] <Pointwood> this is what I want to play: http://wmsc.dr.dk/e02ch03m?wmcontentbitrate=300000/.wma
[01:45] <ca_ca> which player plays mms streaming
[01:45] <ca_ca> ?
[01:45] <Pointwood> windows media player :/
[01:46] <ca_ca> only wmp?
[01:46] <Pointwood> mplayer can do it too
[01:46] <FX|Laptop> Thanks for the help
[01:46] <ca_ca> no linux-player?
[01:46] <Pointwood> mplayer is a linux player ;)
[01:47] <ca_ca> i know but i cannot play mms-links
[01:47] <ca_ca> some mms-links
[01:48] <Pointwood> it worked here in mplayer, until I upgrade to hoary
[01:48] <apokryphos> Not quite sure; might have a plugin etc.. you can try in #amarok -- channel is generally reasonably active.
[01:48] <Pointwood> k
[01:49] <Pointwood> however I want to get mplayer to work again anyway
[01:49] <apokryphos> suffice it to say, they have one of the most active developemtn teams I've ever seen
[01:50] <apokryphos> Does your mplayer work with other things? Did you install it using the instructions described on the Wiki?
[01:50] <Pointwood> hrm...where have they put synaptic
[01:50] <apokryphos> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/restrictedformats
[01:50] <Pointwood> and how do I edit the applications menu?
[01:50] <ca_ca> are u using mozplugger?
[01:50] <apokryphos> kmenuedit
[01:51] <Pointwood> I haven't ugraded to kubuntu yet
[01:51] <ca_ca> u better use mozilla-mplayer
[01:51] <apokryphos> Pointwood: oh, ok.
[01:51] <Pointwood> I should prolly ask in #ubuntu :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> Perhaps. I'm off to bed; late here. :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> Good luck
[01:51] <Pointwood> laters
[01:51] <Pointwood> it's late here too ;)
[02:58] <phxguy> hi... Can anybody here suggest a good CD burning program that will support .iso's
[03:25] <mdz> phxguy: k3b seems to be popular
[03:32] <HostingGeek> kubuntu shouldn't call it self GNU/Linux
[03:32] <HostingGeek> It doesn't use GNU tool kit
[03:32] <HostingGeek> it doesn't use GNU's DE
[03:32] <HostingGeek> (GNOME)
[03:32] <HostingGeek> It should just be called 'linux'
[03:33] <HostingGeek> or KDE/Linux
[03:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get my multimedia keys to work as keyboard shortcuts.
[03:46] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: use ubuntu
[03:47] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: kde sucks because they still call it GNU/Linux when they are not using ALL the gnu tools
[03:47] <HostingGeek> they are incorrectly using GNU
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i am in ubuntu
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> duh
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde does suck.
[03:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i'm banned from #ubuntu
[03:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> for some reason
[03:51] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: they ban everyone
[03:51] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: look at the ban list
[03:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> .lol
[03:51] <HostingGeek> bob2 is a ban-a-holic
[03:52] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: ask in #gnome on gimpnet\
[03:52] <HostingGeek> daniels is also a ban-a-holic
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> cool.
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> he is who i'm talking to right now.
[03:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i bought this new keyboard because my old m$ keyboard's lights don't work right, and it's from m$.  but i dunno about this new one i got.  the m$ one has pretty sweet key action. :/
[03:59] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: #gnome
[03:59] <treke|home> BROKEN_LADDER: Ignore HostingGeek. What is your problem?
[04:00] <HostingGeek> treke|home: he is a ubuntu user not a stupid kde user
[04:00] <HostingGeek> ubuntu == gnome
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> :)
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> exactly.
[04:07] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: i got unbaned w00t
[04:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> from where?
[04:09] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: sometime i think daniels like making fun of me
[04:09] <HostingGeek> look at this:
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..
 what about a -b?
 :P
 from where?
 #ubuntu?
 anyway goto go now the same as you....
 enjoy
[04:09] <HostingGeek> (from /msg)
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus.
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --> You are now talking on #ubuntu
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to daniels
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> that dude has me waiting around to get unbanned.
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --- daniels sets ban on *!*@200.48.233.220
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> he doesn't even know who originally banned me, because he just updated the ban.
[04:10] <HostingGeek> --- daniels removes channel operator status from daniels
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> is that you?
[04:10] <HostingGeek> wtf!?
[04:10] <HostingGeek> thats is me
[04:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> he's not so friendly eh?
[04:10] <je4d> And yet he forgot to kick you aswell? silly daniels..
[04:11] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: he teased me
[04:12] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: heck i don't even know why he banned me
[04:13] <YuriMaru> is there a way to request kubuntu cd's thru the mail?
[04:14] <je4d> YuriMaru: There probably will be after it's released - but almost certainly not before
[04:14] <HostingGeek> YuriMaru: no because kde sucks
[04:14] <YuriMaru> hehe
[04:14] <HostingGeek> je4d: no there will not be at all
[04:14] <YuriMaru> kde pwns
[04:14] <HostingGeek> YuriMaru: you can get it on the dvd images
[04:14] <YuriMaru> hehe
[04:14] <HostingGeek> the dvd images include all of main
[04:14] <YuriMaru> would help if this pos could use dvd's
[04:14] <HostingGeek> and kubuntu is also in main
[04:15] <je4d> HostingGeek: ok. "heck i don't even know why he banned me" <-- I do. and and If this channel wasn't sufficiently new that chanserv was sorted out, you'd have been out of here a while ago.
[04:16] <HostingGeek> je4d: what did i do here that need me to be banned?
[04:16] <HostingGeek> je4d: you have even asked me to stop
[04:16] <HostingGeek> if you did i would
[04:16] <calc> hmm only three people have chanserv access
[04:16] <treke|home> HostingGeek: Please stop
[04:16] <je4d> calc: makes sense.. there's three people at canonical working on it
[04:17] <calc> haggai doesn't work for canonical
[04:17] <HostingGeek> treke|home: ok :P
[04:17] <HostingGeek> BROKEN_LADDER: (you see they asked me to stop)
[04:17] <calc> i think fooishbar is a bot or something
[04:17] <je4d> fooishbar is almost certainly controlled by daniels..
[04:17] <calc> yea
[04:18] <treke|home> YuriMaru: I suppose it mostly boils down to whether or not the entity paying for the current Ubuntu cds ( Canonical?)  decides to push  Kubuntu
[04:18] <YuriMaru> aha
[04:19] <treke|home> I can see why they might not though, to encourage a more predictable platform
[04:23] <Roey> hi
[04:23] <Roey> what package is the keyboard layouts in?
[04:23] <Roey> *are the
[04:23] <Roey> also,
[04:23] <Roey> who was helping me here earlier....
[04:24] <Roey> I'll ask in #ubuntu rather.
[04:26] <Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5 ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[04:42] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LuhRpJ24.html
[04:42] <Roey> Why is the last raid device appearing differently than the first two ones??
[05:25] <hitriko> hey guys i just installed Kubuntu and it looks good to me so far
[05:25] <hitriko> but i'm having a problem
[05:25] <hitriko> i can't login as root
[05:25] <hitriko> ..
[05:26] <dimmak> sudo passwd
[05:26] <dimmak> and change it
[05:26] <dimmak> then try using su
[05:26] <dimmak> that is how i managed this task
[05:28] <hitriko> WOW! awesome man
[05:28] <hitriko> thanks
[05:28] <dimmak> no prob
[05:30] <hitriko> another problem
[05:30] <hitriko> (i'm a linux noob man) lol
[05:30] <delltony> where do you go to change your ip and all in kde i know i can change the network file in the shell but how is it done in kde?
[05:31] <hitriko> i'm trying to install gaim, i did ./configure and it does it ok but when i go to do "make" it gives me an erroe message
[05:33] <kaplanfx> hitriko: why not apt-get install gaim?
[05:33] <kaplanfx> or use synaptic?
[05:37] <hitriko> huh?
[05:37] <hitriko> i don't know anything about that...
[05:38] <hitriko> kaplanfx: please explain...
[05:38] <delltony_> where do you go to change your ip and all in kde i know i can change the network file in the shell but how is it done in kde?
[05:39] <delltony_> i go to control panel and network and it says unsupported platform
[05:39] <treke|home> kde doesnt have a front end that I know of for doing this
[05:39] <delltony_> so you have to use network/interfaces?
[05:39] <treke|home> yes
[05:40] <delltony_> whats the gtk app that does it ill use it
[05:40] <dalerisham> join #ubuntu
[05:40] <delltony_> i just removed all the stuff from here when i installed kubuntu
[05:40] <dalerisham> oops
[05:41] <delltony_> ok so if there isn't a front in then what the purpose of network interfaces int he control panel?
[05:43] <treke|home> it's intended to control network interfaces
[05:43] <treke|home> but it doesnt support every distribution
[05:43] <delltony_> ok
[05:44] <delltony_> since we have kubuntu now is anyone gonna modify it so it does?
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have installed the reiser4 kernel patch but i still can't mount reiser4 partitions.
[05:45] <treke|home> dlooks like they just removed it
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help?
[05:45] <treke|home> since I dont see anything related to interfaces in the control panel
[06:19] <phxguy> Anyonehere familiar with kdebluetooth???
[06:22] <phxguy> Anyonehere familiar with kdebluetooth???
[06:54] <stazz> Hey... which is the current kde version on kubuntu?
[06:54] <billytwowilly> 3.4
[06:54] <stazz> really? this fast?
[06:55] <stazz> is kde available through ubuntu's normal package repositories?
[06:58] <billytwowilly> kubuntu and ubuntu use the same package repository...
[06:58] <stazz> right.. so why is it called kubuntu then?
[07:00] <billytwowilly> because there are cds for it that will install kde instead of gnome .
[07:01] <billytwowilly> Think of it like this: mandrake, redhat, etc, do 3 or 4 cd releases with gnome and kde on them. with ubuntu you download one cd if you want gnome or the other cd if you want kde.
[07:01] <billytwowilly> If you decide you want the other one you can pull it down from the repository no problem.
[07:02] <treke|home> stazz: in some ways the kde project is a seperate project from the gnome version, even though they share a repository
[07:03] <stazz> right.. right..
[07:04] <stazz> so, how does the new kde feel like?
[07:05] <treke|home> slim
[07:49] <delltony> ok i updated kubuntu now for some reason i see no place to find my files where can i find my files now before i had personal files but now its not on the menu
[08:22] <delltony> where in the heck is the kde file manager ?
[08:25] <chakie_> delltony: konqueror
[08:25] <delltony> understood
[08:26] <chakie_> alt-f2 konqueror
[08:26] <delltony> but how the heck do you get it to open the home dir
[08:26] <delltony> on the menu
[08:26] <delltony> as in put it on your menu where you click on it and it opens home dir
[08:26] <delltony> it was once there i updated and not anymore
[08:26] <chakie_> ah, ok
[08:26] <delltony> i'm a command type guy but i wanted the gui for that
[08:27] <delltony> if you know how that would be great
[08:28] <chakie_> you want to add konqueror back to the k-menu?
[08:28] <delltony> yes
[08:28] <delltony> where when i click on 
[08:28] <delltony> it opens home
[08:29] <delltony> actually id like it on that little quick launcher panel actually
[08:29] <delltony> but whichever works
[08:30] <chakie_> well, you can at least right click on the panel, choose Add to Panel->Application and then find "Home" or something similar
[08:32] <delltony> its not there thats my point
[08:32] <chakie_> oh, sorry
[08:32] <chakie_> weird
[08:34] <delltony> dude all that needs to happen is this
[08:34] <delltony> but i don't know the the command
[08:34] <delltony> konqueor open in home
[08:34] <delltony> nothing more nothing less
[08:34] <delltony> i don't know the command to pass it though
[08:36] <chakie_> lemme see what my "home" does
[08:36] <chakie_> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[08:36] <chakie_> that's the "Command" that my "Home" executes
[08:36] <delltony> ok
[08:37] <delltony> ok thta works
[08:37] <delltony> now how do i add it to the little quick launch thing
[08:38] <chakie_> the panel?
[08:38] <chakie_> at the bottom?
[08:39] <delltony> the little quuick launch thing
[08:39] <delltony> i don't know wht its called
[08:39] <delltony> its a panel
[08:39] <delltony> but where you have show desktop and all
[08:39] <chakie_> where the main k menu is?
[11:26] <membreya> hmmmm stupid question, but with kubuntu, can i continue to use my ubuntu apps like tvtime, thunderbird and galeon?
[11:27] <psn> membreya: sure
[11:28] <membreya> hrm, according to http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php I should just need to type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I'm getting package not found
[11:31] <`TUX``> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[11:31] <`TUX``> but  are we joking?
[11:32] <`TUX``> there is a  way  to  trash  sudo
[11:33] <`TUX``> kprint crash gnome cups admin  has 3 features and we can't use localhost:631 ... 
[11:33] <`TUX``> is this the ubuntu kubuntu way?
[11:34] <`TUX``> to become a  gui oriented distro  more then mandrake?
[11:34] <`TUX``> but  mandrake has 5 years of gui administration  with mcc .. don't uses somthing like gnome-cups-manager  :/
[11:38] <psn> membreya: you need to enable the online repositories by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <membreya> psn: what sources are you referring to in the sources.lst?
[12:01] <membreya> remembering that I'm on an amd64 :)
[12:02] <membreya> I already have universe installed
[12:02] <psn> membreya: hmm well then I don't know as the kubuntu packages are in main
[12:02] <haggai> I just filed a bug report regarding this question, #8053
[12:03] <membreya> my problem haggai ? 
[12:03] <haggai> membreya: yes.  Can you show me your sources.list?
[12:04] <membreya> haggai: #flood
[12:05] <membreya> erm
[12:05] <haggai> membreya: you're using warty
[12:05] <haggai> membreya: you need to be on hoary
[12:05] <membreya> haggai: I've just been playing with this, replace the warty with hoary :)
[12:05] <membreya> only just copied and pasted it into my file
[12:06] <membreya> ok haggai ... don't bother about me :) I'm an idjet :)
[12:07] <haggai> membreya: it still needs the faq entry to be clarified
[12:07] <membreya> once I install kubuntu-desktop ...do I just restart?
[12:08] <haggai> there's a good doc somewhere
[12:09] <haggai> http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html
[12:09] <membreya> I gotta stop playing with my system on very little sleep
[12:09] <membreya> cute icon :)
[12:13] <Dudu678> does any body know why when i mount by using smbmount i get strange characters in file names, but when i do it in konqueror using smb:// i see everything ok?
[12:15] <haggai> probably a character encoding problem
[12:16] <Dudu678> yup
[12:16] <Dudu678> but i cannot figure out
[12:16] <Dudu678> how to solve it
[12:17] <Dudu678> i've tried specifying in the mounting options
[12:17] <Dudu678> the charset
[12:17] <Dudu678> and also in the smb.conf file
[12:17] <Dudu678> it doesn't matter
[12:18] <Dudu678> from windows and from konqueror without mounting i see everything ok
[12:18] <Dudu678> when i mount, it all goes wrong
[12:19] <Dudu678> i'm using utf-8 in my system, of course
[12:20] <Dudu678> but the problem is that i have to share files with windows clients
[12:22] <haggai> what smbmount options did you actually try?
[12:24] <Dudu678> username=lf,password=******,gid=1000,uid=1000,iocharset=iso8859-1
[12:24] <Dudu678> and also with iso8859-15
[12:25] <Dudu678> in smb.conf i have dos charset = 850
[12:25] <Dudu678> unix charset = ISO8859-1
[12:26] <haggai> how about
[12:26] <haggai> codepage=unicode,iocharset=utf8,unicode
[12:27] <haggai> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/unicode.html
[12:28] <haggai> I'm no expert but that page seems to explain what is going on
[12:30] <Dudu678> hmmm... ok
[12:30] <Dudu678> thank you
[12:30] <Dudu678> i'll try
[01:21] <underlord> is there a way i can stop konqui from asking me if  i want to have it remember passwords from html forms that doesnt involve a big hammer or throwing my monitor out of a window?
[01:23] <haggai> underlord: control centre->web browswer->web behaviour-> [ ]  Enable completion of forms
[01:24] <underlord> thats allready off
[01:25] <underlord> you would expect that to work, but it seems that doesn't apply to storing username&pass combo's in the kde wallet service, only filling in of random information
[01:26] <haggai> ah
[01:27] <haggai> in kwalletmanager->settings you can either disable kwallet completely, or just disable it for konqueror
[02:11] <phed_> hi. can I upgrade from debian to kubuntu?
[02:11] <apokryphos> phed_: it is not recommended; there have been a few success stories, but also quite a few problems around.
[02:12] <phed_> well, so I should just keep my home folder and wipe the rest and install?
[02:12] <apokryphos> phed_: I recommend doing that, yes. Do you have your /home on a seperate partition?
[02:13] <phed_> no, I don't. but I can probably just rm -R stuff manually. done that before.
[02:13] <phed_> however, I'm a tad fatalistic. how could I do a kubuntu apt-upgrade?
[02:14] <apokryphos> Why would that mean you're fatalistic ;-)
[02:14] <apokryphos> phed_: do you mean from Debian?
[02:14] <phed_> yes
[02:14] <apokryphos> In theory: change your sources.list, apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:14] <phed_> mm, I assume I find a sources list at the website
[02:15] <apokryphos> You can in fact, yes. www.ubuntilinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[02:15] <phed_> also, how successful is it to install stuff from the debian trunk? I mean, are there problems with apt'ing software that aren't in the kubuntu trunk?
[02:15] <phed_> I develop a lot, and tend to use quite a few hairy libs. ;)
[02:16] <apokryphos> Quite a lot of people have the marillat repository; I do too, and haven't experienced any problems.
[02:16] <apokryphos> Whoops, that link should have been: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[02:18] <apokryphos> Though, the Ubuntu repository is huge. Practically every single package in Debian is in Ubuntu. Apart from a few "restricted formats", which you just have to add a new repos for.
[02:26] <phed_> apokryphos: yeah, I catched that. yeah, I am using debian on the laptop
[02:26] <phed_> and I think debian isn't as well suited for that task really. 
[02:26] <phed_> but for development its excellent at least
[02:28] <phed_> mm, that sources, does that include kde?
[02:28] <apokryphos> phed_: KDE is now in the main repository, so yes. 
[02:30] <apokryphos> g'day ztonzy 
[02:35] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hi...I am in just shortly
[02:35] <phed_> Need to get 562MB of archives. After unpacking 81.0MB of additional disk space will be used. 
[02:35] <phed_> :)
[02:35] <phed_> <3 apt
[02:35] <apokryphos> phed_: Let's hope it goes well; no guarantees, though. :)
[02:36] <phed_> yeah. I usually get away with worse ;)
[02:37] <phed_> apokryphos: the last time I gave up when was I tried to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.2 in slackware. on a 200MB partition.
[02:37] <apokryphos> hah
[02:37] <apokryphos> Ubuntu is not nearly that light.
[02:38] <underlord> anyone know how to get ubuntu to see a usb modem thats plugged in after boot (usbnet module)?
[02:39] <ztonzy> apokryphos, any news or fun to tell ?
[02:40] <apokryphos> Not so much; just reading the comments on slashdot about kubuntu.
[02:41] <ztonzy> aah, what is it ?
[02:41] <apokryphos> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/19/2045221.shtml?tid=190&tid=121&tid=106
[02:43] <ztonzy> hmm
[02:43] <ztonzy> have to read later
[02:44] <apokryphos> Few useless comments, some interesting ones, some silly propaganda.
[02:44] <ztonzy> heh
[02:44] <ztonzy> well...later!
[02:44] <apokryphos> see ya :)
[03:20] <alm> Is anyone else have problems with very slow konqueror web browsing?  I have googled and it seems to be common, but no solutions
[03:21] <apokryphos> fine here
[03:22] <apokryphos> Might be worth asking in #kde
[03:25] <garret> So ubuntu has the tools for handling network interfaces, does kubuntu offer something like this also?
[03:25] <apokryphos> garret: Yup, knetworkconf.
[03:26] <garret> great, looking now
[03:26] <garret> hmmm, not installed by default?
[03:27] <garret> nope
[03:28] <apokryphos> nope
[03:30] <underlord> wtf, i just got spam in japanese :|
[03:30] <Roey> =)
[03:30] <Roey> awesome
[03:30] <Roey> good morning
[03:36] <garret> what's the usage apokryphos?
[03:36] <garret> command
[03:36] <garret> don't see it popping up as an exectuable, or in menus
[03:36] <apokryphos> garret: check in kcontrol
[03:36] <apokryphos> Mornin' Roey
[03:36] <garret> ahh. gottcha!
[03:37] <garret> okay, seen this before . . . pick sarge?
[03:38] <apokryphos> I guess
[03:39] <garret> k, craches on me going to admin mode :-(
[03:40] <garret> fonts did the same, I'll get to it using konq
[03:41] <apokryphos> Re: crash; I have no idea; works fine here..
[03:41] <apokryphos> one or two others had problem with going into Admin mode on the forum too
[03:41] <apokryphos> but no reported crashes
[03:42] <garret> not a true crash, a loop
[03:42] <garret> just takes me back to the choice again
[03:42] <apokryphos> garret: try running kdesu kcontrol, and thenc onfiguring
[03:43] <apokryphos> are you entering your user password?
[03:43] <garret> yes
[03:43] <garret> ah, good idea, get into kcontrol as root and problem is fixed, I like it
[03:43] <garret> checking
[03:45] <garret> works, but no control over wireless interfaces :-(
[03:46] <apokryphos> cool, and uncool 
[03:46] <apokryphos> Does the Gnome one have such a feature?
[03:46] <garret> yeah, has anybody actually gotten the the "Wireless network" setting to work?
[03:47] <garret> yes, it control all interfaces for gnome
[03:47] <garret> including wireless
[03:47] <apokryphos> I don't know; I suspect there's likely stuff on the Ubuntu forums
[03:47] <apokryphos> or even the ubu site itself
[03:48] <garret> I'll take a look, just more of an IRC guy :-)
[03:48] <apokryphos> same
[03:48] <garret> that whole "instant gratification" thing :-)
[03:50] <garret> getting ready to install Kubuntu for 120 users, on two term servers
[03:50] <garret> now trying to get the laptop stuff figured
[03:50] <garret> have 10 of those also
[03:51] <apokryphos> garret: I think it's worth compiling a bug report (with a "recommendation") on wireless configuration with K.
[03:51] <apokryphos> garret: wow; excellent stuff. Good luck with that.
[03:51] <garret> thanks, will do the bug report also
[04:20] <Mithsir> Hello! When I click on "Devices" in Konquerer, I get an error dialog box saying "Protocol not supported: devices" (or something like that). What am I missing?
[04:23] <Mithsir> Or in other words: how do I access my usb-cardreader that used to show up under devices?
[04:25] <noobietux> cd /home/your_user_name/usb
[04:25] <noobietux> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /home/your_user_name/usb
[04:25] <Mithsir> no such file or diirectory.
[04:25] <Mithsir> oh, ok, I know how to manually mount stuff. but kde used to do that for me (which I liked)....
[04:25] <noobietux> create that directory before
[04:26] <Mithsir> but somehow, since kde 3.4, this doesn't work anymore.
[04:26] <noobietux> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems
[04:26] <kbitty> kde does not do this for you
[04:26] <kbitty> its just another daemon
[04:27] <Mithsir> well, it used to. there were entries for any entry of /etc/fstab in "devices"
[04:27] <kbitty> kde was only a front end of the configuration file i think
[04:28] <noobietux> make a clean fstab and it will be ok
[04:28] <noobietux> does someone use amarok here?
[04:28] <kbitty> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22042
[04:28] <noobietux> (sorry for my english)
[04:29] <kbitty> i moded the kde3.4 wallpapper and dropped the kubuntu logo
[04:29] <Mithsir> I use amarok
[04:30] <noobietux> wich version do you have installed?
[04:30] <kbitty> i use xmms or noatun
[04:30] <kbitty> or mplayer
[04:30] <kbitty> 5.04 
[04:30] <noobietux> nice wallpaper kbitty 
[04:30] <kbitty> want it?
[04:30] <apokryphos> noobietux: 1.2.1
[04:30] <Mithsir> noobietux, I cleaned my fstab, still no luck (do I have to restart some daemon?)
[04:31] <Mithsir> # amarok --version
[04:31] <Mithsir> Qt: 3.3.3
[04:31] <Mithsir> KDE: 3.4.0
[04:31] <Mithsir> amaroK: 1.2.1
[04:31] <noobietux> Mithsir: you haven't deleted your fstab?
[04:32] <marcusT> is there a best practice to link kubuntu bugs to kde upstream bugs and vice versa?
[04:32] <noobietux> i've got a really annoying bug with amarok: in my collection when i chose an artist/album classification nothing appear
[04:32] <Mithsir> noobietux, should I delete it?
[04:32] <noobietux> Mithsir: no
[04:32] <Mithsir> noobietux, good :-)
[04:33] <noobietux> make correct rules in it an everything will be mounted properly
[04:33] <kbitty> Mithsir, http://geocities.com/kasper002003/KDE34_kooby.png
[04:34] <kbitty> for kubuntu fans!
[04:34] <apokryphos> noobietux: did you select the directory to have amaroK import to collection?
[04:34] <noobietux> yes, when i classify only by artist it works fine
[04:35] <apokryphos> I don't have that problem here; did you get it from the repos?
[04:35] <noobietux> but when i choose album only or combined with another rule nothing appears
[04:35] <noobietux> apokryphos: yes i think so
[04:35] <kbitty> ne one thing this wallpapper i posted is better than default?
[04:35] <kbitty> think*
[04:36] <Mithsir> kbitty, thanks
[04:36] <apokryphos> noobietux: could you paste the first line output of sudo dpkg -l | grep amarok?
[04:36] <Mithsir> kbitty, I like it.
[04:37] <noobietux> ii  amarok         1.2.1-0ubuntu5 versatile and easy to use audio player for K
[04:37] <kbitty> ty Mithsir
[04:37] <apokryphos> Yup, definitely from the repositories. No idea why you're getting that error.
[04:38] <kbitty> where can i find some kubuntu art work?
[04:38] <kbitty> bootsplashes and so on?
[04:38] <apokryphos> kbitty: The release has just come out; such a site does not exist.
[04:39] <kbitty> damn
[04:40] <kbitty> well has ne one here got wallpappers or something of their own they made for kubuntu?
[04:49] <kbitty> http://geocities.com/kasper002003/16580-2.png
[04:49] <kbitty> good to use as login screen
[04:50] <Telep> :D
[04:54] <noobietux> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20622
[05:08] <ricardog> hi there
[05:08] <kbitty> hi
[05:08] <ricardog> would anyone like to help a kubuntu noob?
[05:09] <kbitty> whats the problem?
[05:09] <ricardog> I keep losing sudo-ability
[05:09] <ricardog> everyhting is fine until I run kuser
[05:10] <ricardog> (trying to add another account)
[05:11] <ricardog> then I'm unable to sudo anything after that
[05:12] <kbitty> hmmm
[05:12] <ricardog> "sudo: no passwd entry for root!"
[05:12] <kbitty> i could sudo kuser then exit and still use sudo
[05:13] <ricardog> now I'm a little stuck with what I'm able to do
[05:13] <ricardog> any suggestions?
[05:13] <ricardog> logging in and out does not help
[05:13] <ricardog> restarting does not help
[05:14] <ricardog> now I can't enable or log in as root
[05:19] <ricardog> OK, well thanks for your time, kbitty. I'll keep on hammering my head on the monitor
[05:30] <bhna> is there any plan for a bootscreen like other distribution (e.g. SuSE)
[05:33] <apokryphos> Not sure, but you can make your own.
[05:35] <bhna> i read anywhere they developing a new typ of bootsreen
[05:42] <kbitty> i use debian bootsplash
[05:42] <kbitty> included on the cd
[05:42] <kbitty> if i knew how to make the xpm images i will be making them
[05:42] <kbitty> bhna join my ircd, if i manage to make a kubuntu one tonight
[05:47] <apokryphos> kbitty: erm, GIMP?
[05:48] <kbitty> yes i can make them in gimp
[05:49] <kbitty> i was talking about the tools in gimp is more difficult to use in gimp rather than me making my photoshop art
[05:54] <Roey> kbitty:  but at least .XCF is a documented format.
[06:11] <installnewb> interesting
[06:12] <buz> i was wondering, how do i activate gtk-qt?
[06:12] <installnewb> I must have closed the list of people who are in the channel somehow
[06:13] <regeya> what irc client
[06:13] <regeya> see if there's a little grab-bar on the right-hand side of the window
[06:13] <regeya> that happens sometimes with xchat
[06:14] <installnewb> Ahhh yes, success
[06:14] <installnewb> Thanks
[06:14] <regeya> np :)
[06:14] <installnewb> I'm slowly migrating to linux
[06:15] <installnewb> I'm getting errors when I try to do the apt-get install of Kubuntu over an existing install of Ubuntu
[06:15] <regeya> buz: it's pretty remarkable, isn't it
[06:15] <installnewb> jpmyers@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <installnewb> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:15] <installnewb> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:15] <installnewb> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <buz> yeah it is
[06:15] <installnewb> Is that because I need to add more servers to the repisitory?
[06:15] <regeya> are you using hoary sources, installnewb?
[06:16] <installnewb> I'm not sure, I'm working on a fresh install of 4.10 warty install.
[06:16] <buz> i'm usually more the BSD guy but for desktops, BSD is a bit too picky about hardware support
[06:16] <installnewb> How can I find out?
[06:17] <psn> installnewb: well if it's a fresh warty install you're not
[06:17] <installnewb> When your name is in yellow, is that a whisper?
[06:17] <installnewb> I'm new to x-chat
[06:18] <pv_> It's probably an ordinary highlight, as your nick was mentioned.
[06:19] <installnewb> oh i see, thanks
[06:20] <installnewb> Is there a way to update Warty to Hoary?
[06:23] <regeya> yes; in /etc/apt/sources.list, iirc all you have to do is change every instance of "warty" to "hoary"
[06:23] <installnewb> will it work to simply replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list then use apt-get to upgrade my packages?
[06:23] <regeya> then apt-get update
[06:23] <regeya> then upgrade :-) heh
[06:26] <installnewb> Should I take the octothorpe off these lines? # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:26] <installnewb> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:27] <installnewb> I'm new to debian in general
[06:28] <installnewb> I'm going to uncomment the universe respositories as I think they may be necessary for me
[06:29] <DarthFrog> installnewb: Yes.  And add multiverse to that line, too.
[06:29] <DarthFrog> installnewb: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:30] <DarthFrog> installnewb: And mentally substitue hoary for warty on that page.
[06:30] <installnewb> does multiverse extend my package selection to the typical debian packages?
[06:31] <DarthFrog> installnewb: Mulitverse contains non-free packages that have some restrictions.
[06:31] <DarthFrog> installnewb: Universe will give you only free packages.
[06:31] <installnewb> I see, thank you.
[06:32] <DarthFrog> You're welcome. 
[06:32] <DarthFrog> And welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
[06:33] <installnewb> deb http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories :is this correct? It's saying malformed line
[06:33] <installnewb> when i try to update
[06:35] <amiroff> hello, how can I make ctrl+enter work in konqueror like in firefox?
[06:39] <phxguy> can someone help me with my  External  USB Drive?
[06:55] <marcusT> phxguy: to do what?
[06:58] <phxguy> for some reason my maxtor usb harddrive doesn't mount
[06:59] <marcusT> does not mount as in "i click and nothing happens" or does not mount as in "I do "mount -something" and I get an error"
[07:02] <phxguy> marcusT: It shows up in the media folder and i click on it but i get an error that says mount: can't find /dev/sde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:02] <marcusT> phxguy: you installed pmount?
[07:02] <phxguy> marcusT: how would I know??
[07:03] <phxguy> do  I have to install that seperate from the kubunt insntall?//
[07:03] <marcusT> phxguy: well, there's a bug out there stating that and the outstanding issues page says it too
[07:03] <marcusT> but you're right, you don't have to... reason for people like me to stick around
[07:03] <marcusT> phxguy: just apt-get install pmount
[07:04] <phxguy> ok doing that now. what does it do (just out of curiosity)
[07:04] <phxguy> ... yeah i saw that it doesn't automount in the 'known problems' area
[07:05] <phxguy> marcusT: ok it is done downloading/installing
[07:05] <marcusT> phxguy: user space mounting... makes it possible that for your hald to tell the userspace that there is a new device that can be mounted
[07:05] <marcusT> do a /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[07:05] <marcusT> it's dbus-1
[07:06] <phxguy> marcusT:  i type: /etc/init.d/dbus restart and i got: /etc/init.d/dbus: No such file or directory
[07:06] <marcusT> as I said, it's /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[07:07] <phxguy> o sorry
[07:07] <phxguy> marcusT:  It told me permission denied
[07:07] <marcusT> then prepend a sudo
[07:08] <phxguy> ok that time it did what it does It gave me 4 ok to the right
[07:08] <phxguy> should i be able to access it now?
[07:08] <marcusT> excelent, now try again what you did...
[07:08] <marcusT> yepp, you should
[07:09] <phxguy> it gove me an error still
[07:09] <marcusT> does it say the same thing as before?
[07:10] <phxguy> marcusT: The file or folder media:/sde1 does not exist
[07:10] <marcusT> phxguy: well, maybe you need to restart kde
[07:10] <phxguy> marcusT:  do   I have to make a folder for each sde device???
[07:10] <marcusT> nope, they'll be created automagically
[07:11] <phxguy> marcusT: ok i think i do need to restart because now i cannot even access my home folder or linux drive
[07:11] <marcusT> we'll that's something that should not happen...
[07:11] <phxguy> marcusT: should i just log out and log back in or should do a full restart??
[07:11] <marcusT> phxguy: sorry, I have to leave... just restart and retry...
[07:12] <marcusT> nope, just restart KDE, i.e. logout and login
[07:12] <phxguy> alright thanks for your help. cross your fingers :)
[07:20] <amiroff> guy is there a way to make konqui open a .com site with ctrl+enter shotrcut?
[07:50] <treke> ok now this is strange
[07:50] <treke> if I have juk and noatun paused and then unpause noatun, both apps start playing
[07:51] <spiral> hi
[07:52] <spiral> anyone using ubuntu on a ppc here ?
[07:52] <treke> I do
[07:55] <haggai> treke: we wanted to make amarok the default player anyway
[07:56] <spiral> treke: nice... does it work nice ?
[07:56] <spiral> is it a recent one ?
[07:56] <treke> spiral: works well
[07:56] <spiral> somebody just stole my laptop...
[07:56] <treke> somewhat recent
[07:56] <spiral> and I want to buy a new one...
[07:57] <spiral> and I thought about buying an ibook
[07:57] <treke> if you want to run linux, I wouldnt recommend buying an apple laptop
[07:57] <spiral> treke: is it so hard ?
[07:57] <treke> hard? no
[07:57] <treke> hardware support just isn't quite there
[07:58] <treke> and  quite likely never will be
[07:58] <spiral> treke: I had lots of problems with my pc laptop...
[07:58] <amu> spiral: also running it on a ppc 
[07:58] <spiral> amu: and you think the same about apple laptops ?
[07:58] <treke> wireless will probably not ever work, and video performance is pretty poor
[07:59] <treke> the single mouse button is an annoyance, but there is a way to emulate it other two on a keyboard that works pretty well
[08:00] <amu> spiral: if you buy an new laptop, your wlan will not work. If you can live with this all other hardware will be supported, at least i run a pcmcia-wlan and a usb-wlan  
[08:00] <amu> spiral: linux on a ppc rocks
[08:00] <treke> you're also not going to have any support for hardware accelerated opengl
[08:01] <amu> treke: that would be a real problem if you rendering your own movies
[08:02] <treke> I know suspend works on the ati based powerbooks, do you know if it works on the nvidias?
[08:03] <spiral> amu: wlan... I need wifi...
[08:03] <treke> spiral: You can use a pcmcia card if you get a powerbook or a usb dongle 
[08:03] <spiral> ah damn... the single mouse button... damn apple
[08:03] <spiral> and no scroll ?
[08:03] <treke> no scoll wheel
[08:03] <amu> treke: hmm never tried, i have 3 pb's and 1 ibook, all of then have a ati
[08:04] <spiral> hmmm, is it hard to keep macos & install kubuntu on the same laptop ?
[08:04] <treke> That's something to look into before getting one
[08:04] <treke> fairly easy
[08:04] <amu> spiral: works out of the box 
[08:05] <spiral> hmmm, yeah... and bluetooth ?
[08:05] <treke> cool. I never tried it with ubuntu
[08:05] <treke> needed the space, so I removed OSX
[08:05] <spiral> so I can't use included wifi modules if they exist ?
[08:05] <treke> spiral: right
[08:05] <treke> you can't use the built in wireless 
[08:05] <amu> spiral: i told you before all hardware is supported except extreme wireless
[08:06] <spiral> amu: what is extreme wireless ? airport thing ?
[08:06] <treke> yes
[08:06] <treke> perhaps some day a driver will exist
[08:06] <treke> but I wouldn't count on it happening 
[08:06] <amu> treke: guess never :) 
[08:06] <spiral> are they mac laptops wifi powered (no airport) ?
[08:07] <treke> I think all of the current macs use airport extreme
[08:07] <treke> which is one of the broadcom chipsets
[08:07] <spiral> treke: all right
[08:08] <treke> if you want osx and linux then an apple is a good choice
[08:08] <treke> I just don't think it's the best way to go for a linux only machine
[08:14] <spiral> treke: I have to use office for my school...
[08:14] <spiral> and can't stand windows anymore...
[08:14] <spiral> So I thought about apple...
[08:16] <treke> I guess it comes down to preference
[08:16] <treke> I'd rather deal with windows if I needed something like office
[08:17] <treke> since linux would suit me better on the x86 hardware
[08:17] <treke> and it's my primary use of the laptop
[08:20] <P229> StarOffice seems much more compatible with Word formatting, if that's the issue
[08:21] <treke> I've had some  really bad experiences with openoffice and excell
[08:21] <treke> I really dont trust it any more :)
[08:21] <haggai> P229: that would be difficult seeing as it is exactly the same codebase as OOo
[08:22] <P229> haggai: well, maybe they just have the default formattings set differently. 
[08:23] <P229> haggai: I didn't mess around with it too much, so all I know is that OpenOffice doesn't correctly open some documents created in Word, but StarOffice (in Solaris 10) handled them ok
[08:28] <hoschbert> hi! what can I do with this problem: xorg causes a lag of about 4 seconds... typing top shows xorg using a lot of cpu-power, in X everything is "paused".. any idea?
[09:02] <mdke> hi all. Is there a way to get volumes mounting automatically with kubuntu?
[09:02] <mdke> do you have an equivalent to gnome-volume-manager
[09:03] <teprrr> hmm, I think no, not yet
[09:03] <mdke> ok np
[09:03] <teprrr> not sure about this though...
[09:11] <noobietux> salut tout le monde
[09:11] <noobietux> Hello here
[09:12] <Telep> salut
[09:12] <noobietux> does anyone know how to add a mirror's gpg key ?
[09:12] <Telep> hrmm, well you'd need to know the key first
[09:13] <noobietux> i have the key but i don't know what to do with it
[09:13] <noobietux> it is for this repository : http://archive.kalyxo.org/
[09:19] <naerex> hi i tested kubuntu and its GREAT !! (im french) ;)
[09:19] <Riddell> formidable
[09:19] <naerex> Riddell> tu parles francais ?
[09:20] <naerex> ubuntu is good too but i never like gnome
[09:22] <Riddell> naerex: un petit peux
[09:22] <Telep> mys fysiikkaa, matikkaa ja yleisesti matemaattisluonnontieteellisi aineita on melko helppo pst lukemaan yliopistoon, jos prjsi edes keskinkertaisesti lukiossa
[09:22] <Riddell> naerex: un petit peut
[09:22] <Telep> oops
[09:23] <Riddell> hmm
[09:23] <Telep> arr, silly split windows :D
[09:23] <noobietux> kuduntu c'est vraiment bien
[09:23] <naerex> noobietux> ouais :)
[09:23] <Telep> tout  fait
[09:23] <naerex> noobietux> je vais enfin passer en Full Linux ;)
[09:24] <noobietux> :)
[09:24] <noobietux> Kubuntu c'est bon mangez en
[09:24] <Telep> lol
[09:25] <Riddell> noobietux: bon mangez?  good to eat?
[09:25] <naerex> pour KDE en francais on fait comment par contre ?
[09:25] <noobietux> Riddell: it's a way of saying that it is a good thing
[09:26] <Riddell> quelle bizarre
[09:26] <naerex> j'ai DL ca --> kde-i18n-3.4.0.tar.bz2
[09:26] <noobietux> with apt-get
[09:26] <noobietux> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr
[09:26] <naerex> no i use kynaptic but this file i DL it with konqueror
[09:28] <Riddell> oui kde-i18n etre fais cette semain j'espaire
[09:28] <noobietux> Riddell: it is done i've already installed it
[09:29] <naerex> yes me too
[09:29] <naerex> 250Mo
[09:29] <Riddell> mais kde-i18n 3.4 n'est pas en kubuntu maintainant
[09:30] <naerex> Riddell> tu veux dire : pas dans le depos ?
[09:32] <noobietux> Riddell: a fonctionne chez moi
[09:32] <naerex> noobietux> avec apt-get ?
[09:32] <noobietux> oui
[09:32] <naerex> noobietux> ca ne derange pas le system de faire comme ca ?
[09:32] <noobietux> sudo apt-get update avant
[09:32] <bhna> is this a french channel?
[09:33] <Telep> no
[09:33] <Telep> non :)
[09:33] <bhna> nein?
[09:33] <naerex> bhna> no but 2 french speak in french its easely ;)
[09:33] <noobietux> naerex: apt-get is the default util for installing packages
[09:34] <bhna> but i cant understand
[09:34] <naerex> noobietux> kynaptic use apt-get ?
[09:34] <naerex> bhna> true
[09:34] <noobietux> yes i think
[09:34] <naerex> bhna> sorry :)
[09:34] <noobietux> kynaptic is a front end
[09:35] <naerex> noobietux> you don't use it ?
[09:35] <noobietux> sometimes, when i don't know the precise name of the package
[09:37] <naerex> noobietux> when i create an user with Kuser it crash
[09:37] <bhna> why don't you use ctrl+f
[09:37] <noobietux> naerex: i am quite new to linux
[09:38] <bhna> you can search name summary and description
[09:38] <naerex> bhna> for the bug ?
[09:39] <dimma1> so who should i ask to get the 2405fpw monitor working by default without having to manually edit the xorg.conf file?
[09:39] <dimma1> i thought this would be the first absolutely perfect distro for me since it works spectacularly on my laptop... just the desktop display doesn't work by default
[09:40] <dimma1> everything else is perfect... i am quite impressed
[09:40] <naerex> what is 2405fpw ?
[09:40] <dimma1> dell's 24" widescreen display
[09:40] <bhna> drimma1: what's the problem?
[09:40] <dimma1> flatpanel... gets detected as a crt when probed
[09:40] <naerex> i don't know. the resolution is special ?
[09:41] <dimma1> just doesn't work unless i edit the xorg.conf myself
[09:41] <Telep> puh, Angel on menny oudoksi
[09:41] <dimma1> 1920 x 1200
[09:41] <naerex> kubuntu is perfect for day to day use :)
[09:41] <Telep> quite so
[09:41] <dimma1> that is the native resolution
[09:41] <dimma1> it can do lower no problem... it is that the refresh rate isn't detected properly... so it won't display after the first restart during installation
[09:41] <naerex> in french we says: sans se prendre la tete ;)
[09:42] <dimma1> so i have to use recovery mode or ctrl-alt-FX to a different console to edit the xorg.conf file
[09:43] <naerex> dimma1> refresh is not 60hz ?
[09:43] <dimma1> not by default
[09:43] <dimma1> it gets detected as a typical crt
[09:43] <bhna> dimma1: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/printthread.php?t=47376
[09:44] <dimma1> with max resolution of 1600x1200
[09:44] <dimma1> i just wanted to make the report so hopefully it work by default in future releases
[09:45] <dimma1> if there is anything kubuntu can do to remedy it
[09:45] <naerex> dimma1> knoppix detect your screen ?
[09:45] <naerex> "detect correctly"
[09:45] <dimma1> i'll give it a shot
[09:45] <naerex> i dont understand
[09:46] <naerex> a shot ?
[09:46] <dimma1> a try
[09:46] <dimma1> i will boot up with knoppix to see what happens
[09:47] <naerex> it a good test for see what happen
[09:47] <lytefyre> anyone sucessfull with booting kubuntu off an external hdd ?
[09:47] <dimma1> yeah... is that how kubuntu detects hardware?
[09:48] <dimma1> i have always been impressed with knoppix
[09:48] <naerex> kubuntu use udev hal and hotplug no ?
[09:48] <naerex> and dbus
[09:49] <Riddell> naerex: yes  media:/
[09:49] <naerex> great :)
[09:49] <Riddell> may need to install pmount first
[09:49] <lytefyre> ive got a pivot_root error on my kubuntu install 
[09:50] <bhna> i have no luck with hal, dbus +pmount
[09:50] <naerex> Riddell> i plug usbkey and photo and he mount directly
[09:50] <bhna> kubuntu doesn't detecdt my usb-stick
[09:51] <Riddell> bhna: in media:/  ?
[09:51] <naerex> but kubuntu is a beta ?
[09:52] <bhna> Riddell> yes, in media. no usbstick no icon ...
[09:53] <haggai> bhna: what does 'lsusb' tell you?
[09:53] <Roey> hi
[09:54] <Roey> I want to build CVS HEAD KDE on my own.  Is prelinking KDE and/or Qt dangerous??
[09:54] <naerex> i go to sleep bye all :)
[09:54] <bhna> Riddell>naerex>by
[09:55] <lytefyre> hello ?
[09:55] <Roey> bye naere
[09:55] <bhna> Riddell>i don't no, i will try it.
[09:55] <Roey> x
[09:59] <lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[10:00] <lytefyre> install went fine and grub shows entries too, but it stalls with pivot_root:no such directory and cannot open dev/console
[10:01] <brainkilla> #join #amarok
[10:02] <bhna> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[10:02] <bhna> Riddell> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[10:02] <haggai> bhna: that doesn't list your device at all
[10:03] <haggai> bhna: it won't work in kde if the kernel doesn't even see it
[10:03] <brainkilla> hey guys
[10:03] <bhna> haggai> what can i do? no problems with knoppix, suse ...
[10:04] <brainkilla> if I start d/l-ing kubuntu now, what do I get?
[10:04] <brainkilla> I mean, kde 3.4, but what parts of it?
[10:05] <haggai> bhna: check the output of 'dmesg' to see if there is anything mentioned about the device
[10:05] <haggai> bhna: and try removing/readding the device
[10:06] <Riddell> try  sudo modprobe usb-storage
[10:06] <bhna> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[10:06] <bhna> haggai>dmesg: usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[10:07] <haggai> ouch
[10:08] <haggai> bhna: please file a bug against linux-image package and copy that output in the bug report
[10:08] <bhna> haggai>ok
[10:11] <bhna> haggai> any link for the bug-report-form
[10:11] <haggai> bhna: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:12] <bhna> haggai> thanks ;-)
[10:16] <bhna> Riddell> lsmod: ide_core              118988  5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,piix,ide_disk
[10:18] <bhna> there is a problem with kynaptic. it's starts only via konsole
[10:26] <lytefyre>  anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[10:35] <lytefyre> anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ?
[10:36] <amu> lytefyre: not happend till now 
[10:36] <lytefyre> amu : any idea why it happens ? along with a dev/console not being found 
[10:36] <amu> lytefyre: you boot from a usb-cdrom and got this error? 
[10:36] <lytefyre> amu: usb-hdd
[10:38] <amu> hmm could you add an boot-argument: like ide=reverse as a kernel-bootparameter?  
[10:39] <lytefyre> well it boots of grub so yeah i can add that argument but havent tried it..u think its worth a shot ?
[10:41] <amu> lytefyre: you run a warty or hoary? 
[10:41] <lytefyre> hoary
[10:41] <lytefyre> im trying to run a hoary..this is my first with an ubuntu :)
[10:42] <amu> well, it's worth to try it
[10:42] <lytefyre> k thanks amu
[10:42] <amu> lytefyre: the same happens on a liveCD? did you got the same error message?  
[11:40] <dimmak> anybody timing out when trying to connect to us.archive.ubunu.com:80?
[11:40] <dimmak> i can't apt-get with the default repository
[11:41] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: I think others are...I'm just using archive.ubuntu.com myself
[11:58] <phxguy> is anyone else experiencing problems with the ubuntu repositories???
[11:58] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: some people are yes
[11:59] <phxguy> thought so .... Im getting a lot of failed msgs when i try to refresh my repositories
[12:00] <phxguy> Quinn_Storm, Do you thin i shouuld wait then before downloading kubuntu???
[12:00] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: not sure