=== mdke [~matt@81-178-89-149.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@81-178-89-149.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:00] mdke, ping re: moinmoin [01:00] ello [01:01] i mean, sabmoc, pong [01:01] ah good you're awak, so what is involved with switching to moinmoin [01:01] haha :) [01:01] hmm [01:01] i'll pong you! [01:01] heh [01:01] i heard it was the geek way to respond [01:01] anyhow [01:01] heh [01:02] moinmoin is pretty simple [01:02] I like simple [01:02] yeah you basically cut out all the tags ;) [01:02] http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MoinMoin [01:02] sabmoc, i don't mind doing it later on [01:03] mdke, thats ok, I would like to do it myself to see how it works. [01:03] ok [01:04] best way is to take a look at an existing page [01:04] also [01:04] http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MoinMoinExamples === sabmoc is becoming suspicious that ubuntu people can read his mind. [01:05] heh [01:05] we all think alike [01:05] we are the borg [01:05] *coughs* [01:05] lol [01:05] not really [01:05] >_> [01:05] <_< [01:05] stop [01:05] im dying [01:05] you can't die [01:06] only be assimilated [01:06] ok enough [01:06] i've only seen the occasional start trek episode, i wanna make that clear [01:06] kidneys rupturing [01:06] *star [01:06] suure.. [01:06] heh [01:07] moinmoin [01:07] huh http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?source=search&expr=MoinMoinExamples&submit=Search [01:07] 0 results [01:08] oh sorry [01:08] i suck [01:08] oh well its linked from HelpOnEditing [01:08] found it [01:09] mdke, where are you located? [01:09] london uk [01:09] sorry [01:09] my name is matt [01:12] hi matt [01:12] hiya [01:12] ok, moinmoin looks pretty strait forward, but I have one question. [01:12] 1. Why [01:12] fire away [01:12] hmm [01:13] as in, why not html which almost everyone is already familiar with [01:13] but loads of users aren't familiar with html [01:13] the idea is to encourage people who can't write things like html: because those that can, can easily write moin ;) [01:13] but probably more than moinmoin [01:14] ah ok, I see now [01:14] i wasn't around when they took the decision, but i think that simplicity is the main reason [01:14] yes it is simpler [01:14] Ok, good enough [01:14] sadly it is not yet set as default [01:15] Ask me what I think of wiki's [01:15] lol [01:15] i've read it [01:15] haha [01:15] you have a point [01:16] wait a minute? [01:16] what! [01:16] read it where? [01:16] on the canadian team page [01:16] oh === sabmoc goes to check what it sasy [01:16] actually I didnt write that [01:17] oh [01:17] it says you did iirc [01:17] you mean the little note about the bug? [01:17] wikis always get [01:17] cluttered over time and become difficult to navigate (imo). [01:17] AlexCombas 19March2005 [01:17] oh under the web portal section! [01:17] heh [01:17] ok ok [01:17] read all the way down! [01:17] guilty [01:18] bah === mdke slaps sabmoc === sabmoc dies of a nosebleed [01:18] the bug thing relates to OUR wiki [01:18] not wikis in general [01:18] our website sucks ass [01:18] hmm ok [01:18] yeah its a little *cough cough* [01:18] lemme see which bug that is [01:19] but in general, about wiki [01:19] bizarre [01:19] those website bugs never get assigned HRMPH [01:19] brb [01:21] me too [01:21] ok, this is what i wanted to say [01:21] I dont like wiki's because they don't seem to encourage banter. [01:22] forums are great for bantering back and forth on subjects [01:22] but forums need large groups to really be fun [01:22] for a small group nothing is better than a mailing list [01:23] I dunno, just my opinion [01:23] yeah i c [01:23] we should distinguish here [01:23] that doesn't apply to the docs on the wiki [01:23] just to the devel and community stuff [01:24] yeah [01:24] wiki's are super for document creation though [01:24] i still think you're wrong tho, hang on a tic and i'll explain [01:24] ok [01:25] ok [01:25] Im not trying to say wiki's are not useful or good. They are great for making documents with a group. [01:25] just a quick example [01:25] i help out with the italian team [01:25] today i made a page for wiki pages which could usefully be translated [01:26] the idea is that people add to it, wishlist style [01:26] cool [01:26] that wouldn't work as well on a mailing list [01:26] I see your point [01:26] another reason that i dislike mailing lists [01:27] is that threads end up all over the shop [01:27] Ok, for creating action lists where everyone can have a say they are really good. [01:27] branching off left right and centre [01:27] because people don't reply to the right one [01:27] or don't use reply-to-list or whatever [01:28] yes, I only like mailing lists with about 10-30 people [01:28] more than 30(just off the top of my head) you should build a forum [01:28] hmm [01:29] in the italian group list today there was one thread that began again because someone replied all [01:29] so irritating [01:29] what Im saying is that if you want to have a running conversation with someone, wiki is not the best tool. [01:29] yeah that's very true [01:29] email or irc ;) [01:29] haha [01:29] irc sucks! [01:29] jk [01:29] hmm [01:29] I like irc [01:30] good for meetings [01:31] and procrastinating [01:31] yeah, sometimes its difficult to understand someone enless you are having a convo. You can get a better picture of the feelings involved. [01:31] HAHA [01:31] mdke, Ok, I'll stop bugging you [01:31] i'm not doing anything [01:31] Ok, then stop bugging me [01:31] haha [01:31] heh [01:32] these cheeky canadians [01:32] heh [01:32] us brits are so much more polite [01:32] aye, you are more polite [01:33] I dont think we are impolite though, maybe just a little abrupt. [01:33] honest is the word [01:33] perhaps [01:33] see, that was a very polite thing to say.. i would have never thought of that [01:33] heh [01:33] i like straight talking [01:33] i'm not that english ;) [01:33] ah ok [01:34] hmm [01:34] i tell you what is fun [01:34] ok [01:34] converting polish pages to moin [01:34] whys that? [01:34] can't understand where anything is supposed to go [01:34] heh [01:35] this one's got some random css in it [01:35] so when you translate a page, its completely automated? [01:35] i'm not translating just trying to change the formatting [01:36] oh, I read that wrong. I see. [01:36] ah the polish, wonderful people [01:36] yeah they rock [01:37] but their punctuation looks like code [01:37] or vice versa [01:37] lol [01:38] A while back I lived in Toronto, it is much more metropolitan overthere than here. Met some real poles fresh from poland, very crazy times. [01:38] fun, but just completely crazy [01:38] but fun [01:38] Did I say fun? [01:39] you may have [01:39] *grins* [01:39] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PolishUbuntu [01:39] awesome [01:41] i'll leave that one till later [01:42] oh wow [01:42] mdke, is that a before or after shot? [01:42] later [01:43] before === sabmoc needs more sleep [01:43] me too [01:44] when I select moinmoin markup, and hit preview, in the textbox it doesnt change, but the preview at the bottom shows all the html. Are they invisible in the text box? [01:45] the preview shows you what it looks like [01:45] moin doesn't include html tags so they show up as normal text [01:46] geddit? [01:47] hmm, down in the preview box it looks like this now:

= Welcome to the Canadian Local Ubuntu Team=

[01:47] yes, I understand why, but how do I remove the html? [01:48] in the text box it doenst show me any of the html tags [01:48] oh [01:48] huh [01:49] funky [01:49] save it and lemme see [01:49] maybe I just needed to save it and reload the file [01:50] yup [01:50] alrighty, now I'm in business [01:50] ok [01:50] how bizarre [01:50] shout if you wanna know anything [01:50] i'll be around [01:51] any when i say "anything" [01:51] mdke, thank you I will [01:51] i mean, basic things about moin [01:51] ;) [01:51] i know nothing about star trek [01:51] now Im really getting suspicious [01:51] heh [01:52] you cut me off in the middle of a clever borg retort [01:52] crazy thing is that its true [01:52] i actually dont [01:52] oh you mean the mind reading thing? [01:52] yes [01:52] thats not borg related at all [01:52] just said that to put you off the scent [01:52] it worked, im completely lost [01:53] what is
in moin? [01:53] nowt [01:53] nowt? [01:53] nothing [01:53] to my knowledge [01:54] ok [01:54] just text [01:54] I mean, when I want to make a break space, how do I do that in moin? [01:55] leave a line i think [01:55] thanks [01:55] hang on [01:56] hmm dunno [01:56] leaving a line will give you a new paragraph [01:56] lists have decent line gaps [01:56] other than that, i'm not too sure tbg [01:56] tbh* [01:57] thats good, ok thanks [01:59] its not as flexible as html of course [01:59] can't get very nice designs, but its ok for text based stuff [02:05] ok bed for me [02:05] sabmoc, nice to meet you, see you again soon === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sabmoc [~alex@d154-20-136-124.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:30] good day [03:34] good day to you also [03:38] sabmoc i am jerome pleased to meet you [03:39] hi Jerome, Im Alex [03:39] and same here [03:49] im just got my feet wet in docbook, its very nice i got the 1st steps covered easily [03:54] cool [03:54] I just joined the team yesterday [03:54] I did a little DocBook work about a year ago, so I know a little. [03:56] i learned that its not that hard actually [03:57] yeah, its just basically xml, and xml is just markup === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060060b0b65399.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:47] hi Burgundavia [08:49] what a pleasant surprise hibernate and sleep now works flawlessly [08:53] salut [09:06] fear the badgers!! === sabmoc has been drawing badgers like a madman [09:07] would their names be benny? [09:07] *grin* [09:08] ah yes, more user art [09:08] can I look at some of the stuff you are doing? === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:09] hi Kinnison [09:10] Morning [09:12] Burgundavia, its not finished yet.. [09:12] but sure [09:12] sabmoc: you contribute artwork i presume? [09:13] jsgotangco, this will be my first === jsgotangco wished his pencil skills can be translated to digitizers [09:13] jsgotangco, oh they can! [09:13] i tried im not too good at it [09:13] hehe [09:14] mostly its practise [09:14] as you can see, I clearly cant spell worth a damn [09:14] ive heard most comic books now are just lifted from scanned pencils [09:14] Burgundavia, want me to email it? [09:14] the inkers are left to doing the letters [09:15] and the letter have nothing to do [09:15] hehehe [09:15] jsgotangco, hhaha [09:16] i'd like to do icons sometime but its been a while i did artwork [09:17] jsgotangco, good icons are a lot harder than they look [09:17] people dont give jimmac enough credit [09:18] even though they give him lots of cred, it just isnt enough [09:18] Burgundavia, ping [09:19] jsgotangco, want to see my picture? [09:19] sure [09:20] dccsend or email? [09:20] oh email: jgotangco@gmail.com [09:21] is svg ok? [09:21] no problem [09:22] there you go [09:24] as you can see, its not finished yet, eventually there will be a laptop in front of him with UBUNTU written on the screen, and his body needs a lot more detail. [09:24] aww [09:24] lol [09:24] svg blends well with my background color [09:25] maybe you should add more lines to make his knees more prominent [09:25] yes I havnet fixed his leg [09:25] haven't* [09:26] and he has not hands [09:26] sabmoc: here [09:26] sabmoc: playing kolf [09:26] very addictive, if sadly kde [09:26] sabmoc: sure, you can eamil it [09:26] whats the addy? [09:27] kolf sure is fun === sabmoc installs kolf [09:29] its kind of hard to tell that it's a badger [09:30] sabmoc what time is it there arent you supposed to be sleeping hehehe [09:35] jsgotangco, no, only 12:35am [09:35] how about you? [09:38] 4:38pm [09:42] sabmoc: corey.burger@gmail.com [09:42] burgey! [09:43] Kinnison: hello [09:43] Kinnison: good morning, should I say [09:43] Kinnison: I had my first upload. xconq [09:46] cool [09:46] whassat do then? [09:46] Aaha found it [09:46] Source: xconq [09:46] Version: 7.4.1-2.1ubuntu1 [09:46] Changed-By: Corey Burger [09:46] Cool [09:47] sabmoc: not bad badger [09:47] sabmoc: tail is a little odd, but the rest is good [09:49] Burgundavia, :D thanks [09:49] he is going to have a little laptop infront of him that says UBUNTU on the screen [09:49] I want him to be the mascot for the breezy badger release [09:49] Kinnison: I have been sucked in by KDE. I am fixing qtparted, and now am filing bugs against kolf [09:49] save me from this evil qt-ing [09:51] Burgundavia, dude, get out while you still can. [09:57] lol === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060060b0b65399.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sabmoc [~alex@d154-20-136-124.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] welcome back :) [10:26] sabmoc: are you a canuck? [10:27] haha, oh man I really miss hockey :) [10:27] bah hockey [10:27] bah [10:27] hehe [10:27] they can stay locked out [10:27] well I was until hockey died [10:27] lol [10:28] well i just asked because i am moving to toronto next year [10:28] where are you now? [10:29] i am in manila [10:35] i think i get the docteam flow and process but i have a question: where do i actually get to know which doc needs to be edited/reviewed and stuff? [10:35] jsgotangco: mostly everything is done, with minor review stuff [10:35] jsgotangco: in the quickguide, it says at the beginning of the section [10:36] oh [10:36] i guess i will be doing more stuff for badger instead === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:38] jsgotangco: there is still stuff to do right now [10:38] hi all [10:38] jsgotangco: if you are feeling adventurous, try editing and cleaning up the wiki [10:38] Burgundavia: that's what i want to know but i really dont know where to start [10:38] well the wiki [10:38] hehe [10:38] that's a good start too [10:39] :) [10:39] I hate the wiki [10:39] I barely touch it [10:39] but that means fixing everyting to moin moin hehehe [10:39] don't knock it ;) [10:39] I like wikis, just not this one [10:40] i like the wiki except that its kinda chaotic for me at the moment [10:40] en.wikpedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia [10:40] i mean, don't knock the job of fixing everything to moin [10:40] *grins* [10:40] but arent we supposed to standardise the wiki to moin? [10:41] yeah [10:41] i spend lots of time on it [10:42] Burgundavia, not the right link [10:42] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia [10:42] missed an i [10:42] oh doh [10:42] should have seen that [10:43] that is why there is a page there [10:43] as lots of people don't [10:43] lol [10:43] see it, that is [10:43] amd64 users here? [10:44] wish my laptop has that [10:45] jsgotangco, if the idea of doing moin conversion doesn't repel you, you can use this page to see what needs to be done: [10:45] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/pagesByType [10:45] we're nearly there ;) [10:46] holy [10:47] i don't mind moin really [10:47] but... [10:47] hehe [10:47] nevermind [10:47] sup? [10:48] mdke, CanadianTeam has been moined [10:48] that stat aint bad actually [10:48] sabmoc, genius [10:48] its almost there === sabmoc blushes [10:48] mdke, did you just wake up? [10:48] not long ago [10:48] isn't it really early with you? [10:48] heh, well now its my turn to hit the bed [10:48]