[01:00] <sabmoc> mdke, ping re: moinmoin
[01:00] <mdke> ello
[01:01] <mdke> i mean, sabmoc, pong
[01:01] <sabmoc> ah good you're awak, so what is involved with switching to moinmoin
[01:01] <sabmoc> haha :)
[01:01] <mdke> hmm
[01:01] <sabmoc> i'll pong you!
[01:01] <mdke> heh
[01:01] <mdke> i heard it was the geek way to respond
[01:01] <mdke> anyhow
[01:01] <sabmoc> heh
[01:02] <mdke> moinmoin is pretty simple
[01:02] <sabmoc> I like simple
[01:02] <mdke> yeah you basically cut out all the tags ;)
[01:02] <mdke> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MoinMoin
[01:02] <mdke> sabmoc, i don't mind doing it later on
[01:03] <sabmoc> mdke, thats ok, I would like to do it myself to see how it works.
[01:03] <mdke> ok
[01:04] <mdke> best way is to take a look at an existing page
[01:04] <mdke> also
[01:04] <mdke> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MoinMoinExamples
[01:05] <mdke> heh
[01:05] <mdke> we all think alike
[01:05] <mdke> we are the borg
[01:05] <mdke> *coughs*
[01:05] <sabmoc> lol
[01:05] <mdke> not really
[01:05] <mdke> >_>
[01:05] <mdke> <_<
[01:05] <sabmoc> stop
[01:05] <sabmoc> im dying
[01:05] <mdke> you can't die
[01:06] <mdke> only be assimilated
[01:06] <mdke> ok enough
[01:06] <mdke> i've only seen the occasional start trek episode, i wanna make that clear
[01:06] <sabmoc> kidneys rupturing
[01:06] <mdke> *star
[01:06] <sabmoc> suure..
[01:06] <mdke> heh
[01:07] <sabmoc> moinmoin
[01:07] <sabmoc> huh http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?source=search&expr=MoinMoinExamples&submit=Search
[01:07] <sabmoc> 0 results
[01:08] <mdke> oh sorry
[01:08] <mdke> i suck
[01:08] <mdke> oh well its linked from HelpOnEditing
[01:08] <sabmoc> found it
[01:09] <sabmoc> mdke, where are you located?
[01:09] <mdke> london uk
[01:09] <mdke> sorry
[01:09] <mdke> my name is matt
[01:12] <sabmoc> hi matt
[01:12] <mdke> hiya
[01:12] <sabmoc> ok, moinmoin looks pretty strait forward, but I have one question.
[01:12] <sabmoc> 1. Why
[01:12] <mdke> fire away
[01:12] <mdke> hmm
[01:13] <sabmoc> as in, why not html which almost everyone is already familiar with
[01:13] <mdke> but loads of users aren't familiar with html
[01:13] <mdke> the idea is to encourage people who can't write things like html: because those that can, can easily write moin ;)
[01:13] <sabmoc> but probably more than moinmoin
[01:14] <sabmoc> ah ok, I see now
[01:14] <mdke> i wasn't around when they took the decision, but i think that simplicity is the main reason
[01:14] <sabmoc> yes it is simpler
[01:14] <sabmoc> Ok, good enough
[01:14] <mdke> sadly it is not yet set as default
[01:15] <sabmoc> Ask me what I think of wiki's
[01:15] <mdke> lol
[01:15] <mdke> i've read it
[01:15] <sabmoc> haha
[01:15] <mdke> you have a point
[01:16] <sabmoc> wait a minute? 
[01:16] <sabmoc> what!
[01:16] <sabmoc> read it where?
[01:16] <mdke> on the canadian team page
[01:16] <sabmoc> oh
[01:16] <sabmoc> actually I didnt write that
[01:17] <mdke> oh
[01:17] <mdke> it says you did iirc
[01:17] <sabmoc> you mean the little note about the bug?
[01:17] <mdke> wikis always get
[01:17] <mdke> cluttered over time and become difficult to navigate (imo).
[01:17] <mdke> AlexCombas 19March2005
[01:17] <sabmoc> oh under the web portal section!
[01:17] <mdke> heh
[01:17] <sabmoc> ok ok
[01:17] <mdke> read all the way down!
[01:17] <sabmoc> guilty
[01:18] <sabmoc> bah
[01:18] <mdke> the bug thing relates to OUR wiki
[01:18] <mdke> not wikis in general
[01:18] <mdke> our website sucks ass
[01:18] <sabmoc> hmm ok
[01:18] <sabmoc> yeah its a little *cough cough*
[01:18] <mdke> lemme see which bug that is
[01:19] <sabmoc> but in general, about wiki
[01:19] <mdke> bizarre
[01:19] <mdke> those website bugs never get assigned HRMPH
[01:19] <sabmoc> brb
[01:21] <mdke> me too
[01:21] <sabmoc> ok, this is what i wanted to say
[01:21] <sabmoc> I dont like wiki's because they don't seem to encourage banter.
[01:22] <sabmoc> forums are great for bantering back and forth on subjects
[01:22] <sabmoc> but forums need large groups to really be fun
[01:22] <sabmoc> for a small group nothing is better than a mailing list
[01:23] <sabmoc> I dunno, just my opinion
[01:23] <mdke> yeah i c
[01:23] <mdke> we should distinguish here
[01:23] <mdke> that doesn't apply to the docs on the wiki
[01:23] <mdke> just to the devel and community stuff
[01:24] <sabmoc> yeah
[01:24] <sabmoc> wiki's are super for document creation though
[01:24] <mdke> i still think you're wrong tho, hang on a tic and i'll explain
[01:24] <sabmoc> ok
[01:25] <mdke> ok
[01:25] <sabmoc> Im not trying to say wiki's are not useful or good. They are great for making documents with a group. 
[01:25] <mdke> just a quick example
[01:25] <mdke> i help out with the italian team
[01:25] <mdke> today i made a page for wiki pages which could usefully be translated
[01:26] <mdke> the idea is that people add to it, wishlist style
[01:26] <sabmoc> cool
[01:26] <mdke> that wouldn't work as well on a mailing list
[01:26] <sabmoc> I see your point
[01:26] <mdke> another reason that i dislike mailing lists
[01:27] <mdke> is that threads end up all over the shop
[01:27] <sabmoc> Ok, for creating action lists where everyone can have a say they are really good.
[01:27] <mdke> branching off left right and centre
[01:27] <mdke> because people don't reply to the right one
[01:27] <mdke> or don't use reply-to-list or whatever
[01:28] <sabmoc> yes, I only like mailing lists with about 10-30 people
[01:28] <sabmoc> more than 30(just off the top of my head) you should build a forum
[01:28] <mdke> hmm
[01:29] <mdke> in the italian group list today there was one thread that began again because someone replied all
[01:29] <mdke> so irritating
[01:29] <sabmoc> what Im saying is that if you want to have a running conversation with someone, wiki is not the best tool.
[01:29] <mdke> yeah that's very true
[01:29] <mdke> email or irc ;)
[01:29] <sabmoc> haha
[01:29] <sabmoc> irc sucks!
[01:29] <sabmoc> jk
[01:29] <mdke> hmm
[01:29] <sabmoc> I like irc
[01:30] <mdke> good for meetings
[01:31] <mdke> and procrastinating
[01:31] <sabmoc> yeah, sometimes its difficult to understand someone enless you are having a convo. You can get a better picture of the feelings involved.
[01:31] <sabmoc> HAHA
[01:31] <sabmoc> mdke, Ok, I'll stop bugging you
[01:31] <mdke> i'm not doing anything
[01:31] <sabmoc> Ok, then stop bugging me
[01:31] <sabmoc> haha
[01:31] <mdke> heh
[01:32] <mdke> these cheeky canadians
[01:32] <sabmoc> heh
[01:32] <mdke> us brits are so much more polite
[01:32] <sabmoc> aye, you are more polite
[01:33] <sabmoc> I dont think we are impolite though, maybe just a little abrupt.
[01:33] <mdke> honest is the word
[01:33] <sabmoc> perhaps
[01:33] <sabmoc> see, that was a very polite thing to say.. i would have never thought of that
[01:33] <mdke> heh
[01:33] <mdke> i like straight talking
[01:33] <mdke> i'm not that english ;)
[01:33] <sabmoc> ah ok
[01:34] <mdke> hmm
[01:34] <mdke> i tell you what is fun
[01:34] <sabmoc> ok
[01:34] <mdke> converting polish pages to moin
[01:34] <sabmoc> whys that?
[01:34] <mdke> can't understand where anything is supposed to go
[01:34] <mdke> heh
[01:35] <mdke> this one's got some random css in it
[01:35] <sabmoc> so when you translate a page, its completely automated?
[01:35] <mdke> i'm not translating just trying to change the formatting
[01:36] <sabmoc> oh, I read that wrong. I see.
[01:36] <sabmoc> ah the polish, wonderful people
[01:36] <mdke> yeah they rock
[01:37] <mdke> but their punctuation looks like code
[01:37] <mdke> or vice versa
[01:37] <sabmoc> lol
[01:38] <sabmoc> A while back I lived in Toronto, it is much more metropolitan overthere than here. Met some real poles fresh from poland, very crazy times.
[01:38] <sabmoc> fun, but just completely crazy
[01:38] <sabmoc> but fun
[01:38] <sabmoc> Did I say fun?
[01:39] <mdke> you may have
[01:39] <mdke> *grins*
[01:39] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PolishUbuntu
[01:39] <mdke> awesome
[01:41] <mdke> i'll leave that one till later
[01:42] <sabmoc> oh wow
[01:42] <sabmoc> mdke, is that a before or after shot?
[01:42] <sabmoc> later
[01:43] <mdke> before
[01:43] <mdke> me too
[01:44] <sabmoc> when I select moinmoin markup, and hit preview, in the textbox it doesnt change, but the preview at the bottom shows all the html. Are they invisible in the text box?
[01:45] <mdke> the preview shows you what it looks like
[01:45] <mdke> moin doesn't include html tags so they show up as normal text
[01:46] <mdke> geddit?
[01:47] <sabmoc> hmm, down in the preview box it looks like this now: <h1>= Welcome to the Canadian Local Ubuntu Team=</h1>
[01:47] <sabmoc> yes, I understand why, but how do I remove the html?
[01:48] <sabmoc> in the text box it doenst show me any of the html tags
[01:48] <mdke> oh
[01:48] <mdke> huh
[01:49] <mdke> funky
[01:49] <mdke> save it and lemme see
[01:49] <sabmoc> maybe I just needed to save it and reload the file
[01:50] <sabmoc> yup
[01:50] <sabmoc> alrighty, now I'm in business
[01:50] <mdke> ok
[01:50] <mdke> how bizarre
[01:50] <mdke> shout if you wanna know anything
[01:50] <mdke> i'll be around
[01:51] <mdke> any when i say "anything"
[01:51] <sabmoc> mdke, thank you I will
[01:51] <mdke> i mean, basic things about moin
[01:51] <mdke> ;)
[01:51] <mdke> i know nothing about star trek
[01:51] <sabmoc> now Im really getting suspicious
[01:51] <mdke> heh
[01:52] <sabmoc> you cut me off in the middle of a clever borg retort
[01:52] <mdke> crazy thing is that its true
[01:52] <mdke> i actually dont
[01:52] <mdke> oh you mean the mind reading thing?
[01:52] <sabmoc> yes
[01:52] <mdke> thats not borg related at all
[01:52] <mdke> just said that to put you off the scent
[01:52] <sabmoc> it worked, im completely lost
[01:53] <sabmoc> what is <br> in moin?
[01:53] <mdke> nowt
[01:53] <sabmoc> nowt?
[01:53] <mdke> nothing
[01:53] <mdke> to my knowledge
[01:54] <sabmoc> ok
[01:54] <mdke> just text
[01:54] <sabmoc> I mean, when I want to make a break space, how do I do that in moin?
[01:55] <mdke> leave a line i think
[01:55] <sabmoc> thanks
[01:55] <mdke> hang on
[01:56] <mdke> hmm dunno
[01:56] <mdke> leaving a line will give you a new paragraph
[01:56] <mdke> lists have decent line gaps
[01:56] <mdke> other than that, i'm not too sure tbg
[01:56] <mdke> tbh*
[01:57] <sabmoc> thats good, ok thanks
[01:59] <mdke> its not as flexible as html of course
[01:59] <mdke> can't get very nice designs, but its ok for text based stuff
[02:05] <mdke> ok bed for me
[02:05] <mdke> sabmoc, nice to meet you, see you again soon
[03:30] <jsgotangco> good day
[03:34] <sabmoc> good day to you also
[03:38] <jsgotangco> sabmoc i am jerome pleased to meet you
[03:39] <sabmoc> hi Jerome, Im Alex
[03:39] <sabmoc> and same here
[03:49] <jsgotangco> im just got my feet wet in docbook, its very nice i got the 1st steps covered easily
[03:54] <sabmoc> cool
[03:54] <sabmoc> I just joined the team yesterday
[03:54] <sabmoc> I did a little DocBook work about a year ago, so I know a little.
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i learned that its not that hard actually
[03:57] <sabmoc> yeah, its just basically xml, and xml is just markup
[08:47] <sabmoc> hi Burgundavia 
[08:49] <jsgotangco> what a pleasant surprise hibernate and sleep now works flawlessly
[08:53] <Burgundavia> salut
[09:06] <sabmoc> fear the badgers!!
[09:07] <jsgotangco> would their names be benny?
[09:07] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:08] <Burgundavia> ah yes, more user art
[09:08] <Burgundavia> can I look at some of the stuff you are doing?
[09:09] <jsgotangco> hi Kinnison
[09:10] <Kinnison> Morning
[09:12] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, its not finished yet..
[09:12] <sabmoc> but sure
[09:12] <jsgotangco> sabmoc: you contribute artwork i presume?
[09:13] <sabmoc> jsgotangco, this will be my first 
[09:13] <sabmoc> jsgotangco, oh they can!
[09:13] <jsgotangco> i tried im not too good at it
[09:13] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:14] <sabmoc> mostly its practise
[09:14] <sabmoc> as you can see, I clearly cant spell worth a damn
[09:14] <jsgotangco> ive heard most comic books now are just lifted from scanned pencils
[09:14] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, want me to email it?
[09:14] <jsgotangco> the inkers are left to doing the letters
[09:15] <jsgotangco> and the letter have nothing to do
[09:15] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[09:15] <sabmoc> jsgotangco, hhaha
[09:16] <jsgotangco> i'd like to do icons sometime but its been a while i did artwork
[09:17] <sabmoc> jsgotangco, good icons are a lot harder than they look
[09:17] <sabmoc> people dont give jimmac enough credit
[09:18] <sabmoc> even though they give him lots of cred, it just isnt enough
[09:18] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ping
[09:19] <sabmoc> jsgotangco, want to see my picture?
[09:19] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:20] <sabmoc> dccsend or email?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> oh email: jgotangco@gmail.com
[09:21] <sabmoc> is svg ok?
[09:21] <jsgotangco> no problem
[09:22] <sabmoc> there you go
[09:24] <sabmoc> as you can see, its not finished yet, eventually there will be a laptop in front of him with UBUNTU written on the screen, and his body needs a lot more detail.
[09:24] <jsgotangco> aww
[09:24] <sabmoc> lol
[09:24] <jsgotangco> svg blends well with my background color
[09:25] <jsgotangco> maybe you should add more lines to make his knees more prominent
[09:25] <sabmoc> yes I havnet fixed his leg
[09:25] <sabmoc> haven't*
[09:26] <sabmoc> and he has not hands
[09:26] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: here
[09:26] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: playing kolf
[09:26] <Burgundavia> very addictive, if sadly kde
[09:26] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: sure, you can eamil it
[09:26] <sabmoc> whats the addy?
[09:27] <jsgotangco> kolf sure is fun
[09:29] <sabmoc> its kind of hard to tell that it's a badger 
[09:30] <jsgotangco> sabmoc what time is it there arent you supposed to be sleeping hehehe
[09:35] <sabmoc> jsgotangco, no, only 12:35am 
[09:35] <sabmoc> how about you?
[09:38] <jsgotangco> 4:38pm
[09:42] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: corey.burger@gmail.com
[09:42] <Kinnison> burgey!
[09:43] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: hello
[09:43] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: good morning, should I say
[09:43] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: I had my first upload. xconq
[09:46] <Kinnison> cool
[09:46] <Kinnison> whassat do then?
[09:46] <Kinnison> Aaha found it
[09:46] <Kinnison> Source: xconq
[09:46] <Kinnison> Version: 7.4.1-2.1ubuntu1
[09:46] <Kinnison> Changed-By: Corey Burger <corey.burger@gmail.com>
[09:46] <Kinnison> Cool
[09:47] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: not bad badger
[09:47] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: tail is a little odd, but the rest is good
[09:49] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, :D thanks
[09:49] <sabmoc> he is going to have a little laptop infront of him that says UBUNTU on the screen
[09:49] <sabmoc> I want him to be the mascot for the breezy badger release
[09:49] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: I have been sucked in by KDE. I am fixing qtparted, and now am filing bugs against kolf
[09:49] <Burgundavia> save me from this evil qt-ing
[09:51] <Kinnison> Burgundavia, dude, get out while you still can.
[09:57] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:23] <sabmoc> welcome back :)
[10:26] <jsgotangco> sabmoc: are you a canuck?
[10:27] <sabmoc> haha, oh man I really miss hockey :)
[10:27] <Burgundavia> bah hockey
[10:27] <jsgotangco> bah
[10:27] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:27] <Burgundavia> they can stay locked out
[10:27] <sabmoc> well I was until hockey died
[10:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:28] <jsgotangco> well i just asked because i am moving to toronto next year
[10:28] <Burgundavia> where are you now?
[10:29] <jsgotangco> i am in manila
[10:35] <jsgotangco> i think i get the docteam flow and process but i have a question: where do i actually get to know which doc needs to be edited/reviewed and stuff?
[10:35] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: mostly everything is done, with minor review stuff
[10:35] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: in the quickguide, it says at the beginning of the section
[10:36] <jsgotangco> oh
[10:36] <jsgotangco> i guess i will be doing more stuff for badger instead
[10:38] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: there is still stuff to do right now
[10:38] <mdke> hi all
[10:38] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: if you are feeling adventurous, try editing and cleaning up the wiki
[10:38] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: that's what i want to know but i really dont know where to start
[10:38] <jsgotangco> well the wiki
[10:38] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:38] <jsgotangco> that's a good start too
[10:39] <mdke> :)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> I hate the wiki
[10:39] <Burgundavia> I barely touch it
[10:39] <jsgotangco> but that means fixing everyting to moin moin hehehe
[10:39] <mdke> don't knock it ;)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> I like wikis, just not this one
[10:40] <jsgotangco> i like the wiki except that its kinda chaotic for me at the moment
[10:40] <Burgundavia> en.wikpedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia
[10:40] <mdke> i mean, don't knock the job of fixing everything to moin
[10:40] <mdke> *grins*
[10:40] <jsgotangco> but arent we supposed to standardise the wiki to moin?
[10:41] <mdke> yeah
[10:41] <mdke> i spend lots of time on it
[10:42] <mdke> Burgundavia, not the right link
[10:42] <Burgundavia> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia
[10:42] <Burgundavia> missed an i
[10:42] <mdke> oh doh
[10:42] <mdke> should have seen that
[10:43] <Burgundavia> that is why there is a page there
[10:43] <Burgundavia> as lots of people don't
[10:43] <mdke> lol
[10:43] <Burgundavia> see it, that is
[10:43] <Burgundavia> amd64 users here?
[10:44] <jsgotangco> wish my laptop has that
[10:45] <mdke> jsgotangco, if the idea of doing moin conversion doesn't repel you, you can use this page to see what needs to be done:
[10:45] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/pagesByType
[10:45] <mdke> we're nearly there ;)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> holy
[10:47] <jsgotangco> i don't mind moin really
[10:47] <jsgotangco> but...
[10:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:47] <jsgotangco> nevermind
[10:47] <mdke> sup?
[10:48] <sabmoc> mdke, CanadianTeam has been moined
[10:48] <jsgotangco> that stat aint bad actually
[10:48] <mdke> sabmoc, genius
[10:48] <jsgotangco> its almost there
[10:48] <sabmoc> mdke, did you just wake up?
[10:48] <mdke> not long ago
[10:48] <mdke> isn't it really early with you?
[10:48] <sabmoc> heh, well now its my turn to hit the bed
[10:48] <mdke> same applies @ Burgundavia 
[10:49] <sabmoc> almost 2am
[10:49] <mdke> sabmoc, ok sweet dreams
[10:49] <mdke> 10 here
[10:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:49] <Burgundavia> 2am is great!
[10:49] <mdke> yeah 2 am is doable
[10:50] <Burgundavia> 4am is better
[10:50] <mdke> but Burgundavia you've probably just got up or something
[10:50] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:50] <mdke> after a couple of hours sleep
[10:50] <Burgundavia> got up at 9am
[10:50] <mdke> ok cool
[10:50] <mdke> body clock is back 
[10:51] <Burgundavia> I even went to bed at 11pm last night
[10:51] <jsgotangco> whaddaya know my userpage is still in html hehehe
[10:52] <mdke> lol
[10:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, i'm matt btw
[10:52] <mdke> pleased to meet you
[10:52] <mdke> oh you're the phillippines guy?
[10:52] <jsgotangco> i am jerome
[10:52] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:52] <mdke> ahh
[10:52] <jsgotangco> pleased to meet your acquaintance
[10:52] <mdke> sorry to see your site got deleted
[10:53] <mdke> i believe there is a recycle bin
[10:53] <mdke> but i don't remember how it works
[10:53] <jsgotangco> ahh its ok the n00bs where just learning
[10:53] <jsgotangco> good thing they didnt delete anything else
[10:53] <mdke> heh
[10:54] <jsgotangco> thanks for recovering some parts
[10:54] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:54] <mdke> np
[10:55] <jsgotangco> hmm wiki work aint so bad after all
[10:55] <mdke> lol
[10:56] <sabmoc|sleeping> goodnight folks
[10:56] <sabmoc|sleeping> Zzzz
[10:56] <jsgotangco> night
[10:56] <mdke> night
[10:57] <mdke> i'm off too
[10:57] <mdke> cyall
[10:57] <jsgotangco> cya
[10:57] <sabmoc|sleeping> Burgundavia, before I go, I dont think Im going to be able to make it to the vanlug in April I'll catch the next one. Do you go to the vancouver meetings too?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> sabmoc|sleeping: haven't been but might go
[11:00] <sabmoc|sleeping> Burgundavia, well I hope you do, If you make it I'll buy you a beer
[11:01] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:01] <sabmoc|sleeping> alrighty, nite
[11:15] <sabmoc|sleeping> Burgundavia, take a look under News and Anouncements https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[11:15] <sabmoc|sleeping> ok, this time for real.. ZZzz
[11:24] <sabmoc|sleeping> damn
[11:25] <sabmoc|sleeping> cant sleep
[11:25] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[11:25] <jsgotangco> do you happen to play around with Rosetta?
[11:25] <sabmoc|sleeping> that name sounds familiar
[11:26] <Burgundavia> online translation app
[11:26] <Burgundavia> one of 3
[11:26] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:26] <Burgundavia> IRMA
[11:26] <jsgotangco> i am trying it out
[11:26] <Burgundavia> and Pootle
[11:26] <jsgotangco> but i stll get errors?
[11:26] <Burgundavia> rosetta is very much alpha
[11:27] <jsgotangco> but i just have to type and enter right?
[11:27] <jsgotangco> no special characters whatsoever?
[11:27] <Burgundavia> what do you mean by special chars?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> There is a rosetta channel #rosetta
[11:28] <jsgotangco> its already #launchpad but no one seems awake
[11:48] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:49] <sabmoc|zombie> hrmm... brainzzz!!
[11:49] <jsgotangco> aha your wiki page is in html
[11:50] <sabmoc|zombie> blast!
[11:50] <sabmoc|zombie> i'll fix it tomorrow
[11:51] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[11:52] <sabmoc|zombie> are these the hoary docs? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamProjects
[11:53] <jsgotangco> the sure look hoary
[11:54] <sabmoc|zombie> jsgotangco, do you know if the html preview is available in a single page for easier printing?
[11:54] <jsgotangco> no i don't :(
[11:55] <sabmoc|zombie> Or maybe someone can tell me the best way to print out the documentation.
[11:58] <jsgotangco> well im going home
[11:58] <jsgotangco> see you later
[11:59] <sabmoc|zombie> jsgotangco, cya 
[08:00] <sm> hi mdke, want to spend a few minutes on stuff ?
[08:02] <sm> or mako ?
[08:08] <mdke> sm, if you like
[08:08] <mdke> hi
[08:09] <sabmoc> is there an easy way to print out the current documents?
[08:10] <mdke> hi sabmoc 
[08:10] <mdke> not sure
[08:10] <sabmoc> goodday mdke 
[08:11] <mako> hey dude
[08:11] <mdke> hi mako 
[08:11] <sabmoc> maybe we could start exprorting snapshots to pdf
[08:12] <sabmoc> exporting, even
[08:35] <mdke> sm, ping
[08:50] <mako> mdke: hola
[08:50] <mdke> :)
[09:01] <sabmoc> brb
[09:09] <sm> ack, where's my sound
[09:10] <mdke> sm, ping {louder}
[09:10] <sm> oh I killed esd so I could hear something else
[09:10] <mdke> heh
[09:10] <sm> sucky ubuntu eh.. 
[09:10] <sm> oops
[09:10] <mdke> sm, do you use ubuntu?
[09:10] <mdke> ah
[09:11] <mdke> that's a yes ;)
[09:11] <mdke> sm, how you doing?
[09:12] <sm> good thx.. I see you're nearly finished with stx pages
[09:12] <mdke> heh
[09:12] <mdke> 30 odd to go
[09:16] <sabmoc> that reminds me, my userpage is still html
[09:17] <sabmoc> eep!
[09:17] <mdke> lol
[09:17] <sm> mako, what are we going to do about zwiki upgrades.. cut to the end of the story :)
[09:17] <sm> who's gonna do it
[09:18] <sabmoc> haha
[09:19] <mdke> oooh
[09:19] <sabmoc> mdke, it did it again, it wouldnt show me the html markup until I saved and reloded the page.
[09:19] <mdke> sabmoc, html is a bit dodgy i think
[09:20] <mdke> when you edit it it doesn't show you the whole code
[09:20] <sabmoc> ah
[09:21] <mdke> it tries to let you edit it as it appears
[09:21] <mdke> unless you open it in an external editor
[09:21] <mdke> lol http://www.uninteresting.info/archives/images/bart-google-thumb.gif
[09:22] <sabmoc> lol
[09:22] <sabmoc> good advice
[09:22] <sabmoc> speaking of which
[09:23] <sabmoc> does moin have a tag for <center> ?
[09:23] <mdke> no
[09:23] <sabmoc> blast!
[09:23] <mdke> lol
[09:23] <sabmoc> haha
[09:23] <mdke> its not cut out for design
[09:23] <sabmoc> yeah, oh well
[09:23] <mdke> emphasis on content
[09:26] <sabmoc> Im actually beginning to prefer moin
[09:26] <mdke> :)
[09:27] <sabmoc> Im discovering a whole new form of lazyness
[09:27] <sabmoc> and just when I thought I couldn't get any lazyer
[09:33] <mdke> laziness is an art
[09:39] <sm> sabmoc: prefer it to what ?
[09:39] <sm> mdke: deleted pages go to /recycle_bin
[09:43] <mdke> sm, thanks
[09:44] <mdke> sm, you're doing a zwiki update?
[09:44] <sm> no, I can't
[09:45] <mdke> sure
[09:45] <mdke> but you're hoping to do one ;)
[09:45] <mdke> ?
[09:45] <sm> right.. we're talking about how to re-establish the process
[09:45] <mdke> cool
[09:45] <sm> otherwise many things on the wishlist are held up
[09:46] <sm> but mako and I are playing irc tag around the world :)
[09:46] <mdke> lol
[09:47] <sabmoc> mdke, ok stop peering at me, it is fixed.
[09:47] <mdke> lol
[09:47] <mdke> awesome
[09:47] <sabmoc> sm, prefer it to html, but not really, just beause I am lazy
[09:48] <sabmoc> and now.. badger time!
[09:48] <sm> ah
[09:48] <mdke> ?
[09:48] <mdke> sabmoc, you have a badger?
[09:48] <sabmoc> no, im making one
[09:48] <sabmoc> frankenbadger!
[09:48] <mdke> hmm
[09:48] <sabmoc> no, inkscape
[09:48] <mdke> linux on a dead badger?
[09:49] <sabmoc> hmm, nice badger, does it run linux?
[09:49] <mdke> http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[09:49] <mdke> so you're designing a logo?
[09:49] <mdke> awesome
[09:49] <sabmoc> mascot
[09:49] <mdke> yeah sorry
[09:49] <sabmoc> should be finished tomorrow
[09:50] <sabmoc> or maybe today
[09:50] <mdke> awesome
[09:50] <mdke> check out that howto tho its great
[09:50] <sabmoc> omg
[09:53] <sabmoc> To install antenna, make a small incision with the pocketknife at the nape of the badger's neck. Then shove the antenna down the badger's back under the hide. Antenna must lie as flat as possible along the spine, or security will be suboptimal. Antenna may also be installed by cutting the badger's back skin open, but requires post-installation stitchery to restore structural integrity; this method is recommended for licensed taxidermist
[09:53] <sabmoc> s only.
[09:55] <sabmoc> thats just wrong
[09:55] <mdke> keep readin
[09:56] <mdke> sm, did you see that other thing about the pics?
[09:56] <sm> I lost it.. do you remember it
[09:56] <mdke> sure
[09:57] <mdke> the little pics at  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/ don't have suffixes
[09:59] <mdke> sm, there might be thousands of the buggers tho
[10:00] <sm> that link doesn't work for me.. how did you get there ?
[10:00] <mdke> ok sorry
[10:00] <mdke> example: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/118
[10:04] <sm> but how are those accessible on the site
[10:04] <mdke> people post them in their userpages and they come up in stx
[10:04] <sm> you can set them in preferences, right
[10:04] <mdke> no idea
[10:05] <mdke> in the pages i've seen they are just posted as links
[10:05] <sm> can I see one
[10:06] <mdke> erm
[10:06] <mdke> hang on
[10:06] <sm> I don't find any in the ubuntu wiki..
[10:08] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexanderPoslavsky
[10:09] <sm> dang.. search for "portraits" doesn't match that url
[10:09] <sm> plovs causing trouble :/
[10:09] <sm> he added that in his preferences
[10:09] <sm> but unfortunately it will always be without a suffix
[10:10] <mdke> right
[10:10] <sm> plone names these according to the username
[10:10] <mdke> but the address works on its own in a browser doesn't it?
[10:10] <sm> certainly
[10:10] <sm> but we can't link those in moin at all afaik, except by changing moin rules
[10:11] <mdke> not a problem
[10:12] <sm> unless.. we could get the apache admin to put in a rewrite rule, to just strip off the suffix
[10:12] <sm> then it would work
[10:12] <mdke> sounds like too much bother
[10:12] <sm> I think portraits could be useful
[10:12] <sm> you could also not use prefs, just upload the image to the wiki
[10:13] <mdke> yeah exactly
[10:13] <mdke> whats the score on making moin the default markup?
[10:14] <sm> let's talk about what that means exactly
[10:14] <sm> - move it to the top of the page types list
[10:15] <mdke> maybe
[10:15] <mdke> i don't know how it works
[10:15] <sm> what else
[10:15] <sm> I think that is probably what people mean
[10:15] <mdke> oh
[10:15] <sm> I can do that now
[10:15] <mdke> what i mean is
[10:16] <mdke> sm, when you create a new page, moin be the selected markup
[10:16] <mdke> so that people who don't look at that bit or change it because they don't know any of the markups, just leave it as moin
[10:16] <sm> yeah, I think it just needs to move to the top of the list
[10:17] <sm> there
[10:18] <sm> good move :)
[10:18] <mdke> cool
[10:18] <mdke> awesome thanks sm
[10:19] <sm> re the login redirect problem - I have seen it only when using the zwiki skin
[10:19] <sm> I think
[10:20] <mdke> right
[10:20] <mdke> i filed a bug
[10:20] <mdke> do those get assigned to you or elsewhere?
[10:20] <sm> I bookmarked it
[10:20] <mdke> ty
[10:20] <mdke> but perhaps its not your fault
[10:21] <mdke> maybe its plone
[10:21] <sm> they get assigned to louise
[10:21] <sm> so it's her fault
[10:21] <mdke> heh
[10:21] <mdke> i think more likely they don't get assigned at all
[10:37] <sm> out of time, I'll have to try again
[10:37] <mdke> lol
[10:38] <mdke> poor sm
[10:38] <sm> see you
[10:38] <mdke> bye