[01:59] <herve> crimsun, ping
[02:08] <herve> hmm... I found ps2pdf on ubuntu fails
[02:08] <herve> the same code on debian unstable succeeds
[02:20] <dholbach> d3vic3: you're working on yehia?
[02:23] <d3vic3> not anymore '
[02:24] <dholbach> is it ready or didnt it work out?
[02:28] <d3vic3> didn't work
[02:28] <d3vic3> build errors
[02:28] <dholbach> so i can try having a go at it? ;-)
[02:28] <d3vic3> yes
[02:28] <dholbach> goood
[02:29] <herve> d3vic3, can I work on rpy tonight UTC?
[02:30] <ogra> welcome bradb
[02:30] <bradb> hi :)
[02:30] <d3vic3> herve, ok
[02:30] <herve> hi blathijs
[02:30] <herve> er... bradb
[02:30] <dholbach> herve: haha :-)
[02:30] <d3vic3> herve, take it off my list
[02:30] <herve> d3vic3, ack
[02:31] <dholbach> hey bradb, how are things?
[02:31] <herve> dholbach, I think I'll just remove that tab key off my keyboard!
[02:31] <dholbach> herve: good thinking :-)
[02:31] <ogra> guys bradb is the great guy who brought us malone and will lead us through the test, we owe him a lot ;)
[02:32] <ogra> bradb, will sabdfl attend ?
[02:32] <herve> I'll said that after the test ;-)
[02:32] <herve> s/said/say
[02:32] <ogra> herve, ah, come on, dont be picky :)
[02:32] <bradb> ogra: dunno if he's planning to show up, or if he's busy
[02:33] <dholbach> he's not on irc atm
[02:34] <ogra> probably hit by oe of the million netsplits today
[02:34] <ogra> one even
[02:34] <ogra> and still itting alone on his own server :-P
[02:35] <ogra> man...I WANT A NEW KEYBOARD argl
[02:35] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[02:35] <herve> ogra, yes, the keyboard is the problem ;-)
[02:35] <tritium> dholbach, hi Daniel :
[02:35] <tritium> :)
[02:35] <ogra> herve, :-P
[02:35] <herve> hey tritium!
[02:35] <tritium> Hi herve!
[02:35] <tritium> Morning, ogra
[02:35] <ogra> hi tritium
[02:50] <herve> Treenaks, can I ask you a simple question on a Dutch word?
[02:50] <Treenaks> herve: go ahead
[02:50] <herve> what "doei" means to you?
[02:50] <Treenaks> bye
[02:50] <herve> no special meaning?
[02:51] <Treenaks> well, you can use it in an ironic way ("ja doei" means "no way")
[02:51] <ogra> Treenaks, ja means no ?
[02:51] <Treenaks> ogra: no, ja means yes
[02:51] <Treenaks> nee means no
[02:52] <herve> Treenaks, thanks!
[02:52] <koke> like spanish, "si claro" --ironic--> "no way"
[02:52] <koke> :D
[02:52] <koke> but literally is "yes, of course"
[02:52] <tritium> How will the malone test be conducted?
[02:52] <Treenaks> literally it's "yes, goodbye"
[02:53] <ogra> tritium, i think we coordinate it here and start to file bugs we know about....(might be somethig from the transition pages or bugs reported to ubuntu-users@)
[02:54] <tritium> ogra, thanks
[02:54] <bradb> get your bug reports ready :)
[02:54] <ogra> tritium, bradb is around if something goes really weird (which i doubt) and to pick up/discuss suggestions
[02:54] <tritium> great
[02:55] <herve> dholbach, I poke you too :-p please update your "being transitioned" list when it's done
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: ?
[02:56] <herve> dholbach, diacanvas
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: i'm waiting for powerpc buildd :-)
[02:56] <herve> woops, sorry
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: *poking back* :-)
[02:56] <herve> ouch!
[02:57] <dholbach> wow... this is going to be my day: look what a mail i got: "Millions of horny girls looking for sex" ;-)
[02:57] <herve> yeah, once again I understand "accepted" as "rocks!"
[02:57] <herve> dholbach, reply!
[02:57] <dholbach> seems like spring is coming
[02:57] <herve> hi pitti
[02:57] <ogra> dholbach, you cant cope with that ;)
[02:57] <\sh> i'm too stupid for python and gtk + glade
[02:57] <\sh> really
[02:57] <pitti> Hi
[02:57] <dholbach> ogra: haha :-)
[02:57] <ogra> hi pitti-motu
[02:58] <bradb> t minus 2 minutes
[02:58] <ogra> yeah
[02:58] <\sh> finally i'm too stupid for python
[02:58] <herve> I won't attend it, sorry
[02:58] <ogra> herve, ?
[02:58] <herve> \sh, you can't say that
[02:58] <herve> ogra, the malone test
[02:58] <dholbach> the suspense is killing me
[02:58] <tritium> \sh, you can do it!
[02:58] <ogra> herve, not even 10 mins ?
[02:58] <dholbach> hey seb128_
[02:58] <seb128_> hi
[02:58] <\sh> herve, well...
[02:59] <ogra> hi seb128_
[02:59] <herve> ogra, I'm already losing too much time at work hanging around here
[02:59] <ogra> oh, ok
[02:59] <dholbach> herve: thanks for hanging around... have a nice day! :-)
[02:59] <herve> \sh, ask me the night UTC if you have questions about python
[03:00] <bradb> ok
[03:00] <\sh> well...what is wrong with: wnd=self.widgets.get_widget("window_name")\n wnd.show()\n if self.widgets is a gtk.glade.XML Object?
[03:00] <bradb> so, everybody ready to get this underway?
[03:00] <ogra> ok, lets start
[03:00] <tritium> yeah!
[03:00] <bradb> cool
[03:00] <\sh> herve, i will
[03:00] <ogra> i will file the pinfo bug from u-u@ now :)
[03:00] <bradb> so, first things first, who's here that is watching that demo, that should have a Launchpad account, but doesn't yet?
[03:00] <herve> dholbach, you think I should check a dictionary about that expression? :-)
[03:01] <tritium> watching what demo?
[03:01] <dholbach> herve: which?
[03:01] <herve> dholbach, hanging around
[03:01] <dholbach> herve: it's the expression YOU used
[03:01] <bradb> tritium: i'm giving a Malone demo right now :)
[03:01] <tritium> bradb, that's why I'm here :)
[03:02] <bradb> tritium: do you have a Launchpad account?
[03:02] <tritium> bradb, I believe so
[03:02] <dholbach> hey jani
[03:02] <bradb> tritium: oh, s/that demo/the demo/, etc.
[03:02] <jani> hey dholbach,all
[03:02] <herve> dholbach, nevermind
[03:02] <tritium> okay, logged in, bradb
[03:02] <bradb> so, you guys might find it useful to login to Launchpad then: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/+login
[03:03] <dholbach> herve: good bye then *wave*
[03:03] <bradb> from there, to orient yourselves a bit, there's the Malone front page: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:03] <bradb> we're going to work with the "View Distribution Bugs" link, and go from there
[03:03] <pitti_> darn, did I miss anything?
[03:04] <bradb> pitti: nope, just started, have a seat :)
[03:04] <ogra> i filed my first one...works great so far
[03:04] <pitti_> thx
[03:04] <bradb> pitti: we're at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:04] <pitti_> URL?
[03:04] <pitti_> thanks
[03:04] <bradb> So, if you click on View Distribution Bugs
[03:04] <bradb> you see the distributions we have registered in Launchpad
[03:04] <ogra> bradb, one little glitch, the MOTU team i assigned it to is written capitalized, but i have to enter the asignee in small letters
[03:05] <ogra> oh, i'm to fast
[03:05] <bradb> ogra: yeah, i'm not super familiar with the team creation code, but the username from the MOTU team is, indeed, "motu"
[03:05] <ogra> yup
[03:06] <bradb> so the system took the info you entered about that team and decided that's what the username should be.
[03:06] <ogra> but malone shows it capitalized
[03:06] <bradb> ogra: yeah, there's the team name, and then the username
[03:06] <\sh> i said i'm stupid  ;)
[03:06] <pitti_> am I right that this list will be looooooong in production?
[03:06] <ogra> bradb, ah, ok
[03:06] <bradb> pitti: it'll be paged when it gets to that point
[03:06] <ogra> pitti, thats why it has pages
[03:07] <bradb> so, from: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros, click on ubuntu
[03:07] <bradb> you'll see all the bugs filed in, well, Ubuntu
[03:07] <bradb> and links at the bottom to specific release bugs
[03:08] <dholbach> bradb: newlines in bugreports seem to be filtered out
[03:08] <bradb> so, ogra, why don't you take the lead here for actually filing the bug, by clicking on the File a bug on Ubuntu Linux link
[03:09] <ogra> bradb, ok, but i think its very intuitive....
[03:09] <bradb> dholbach: in the "task edit" page, the formatting is screwed up. in the bug page itself, it should look ok.
[03:09] <bradb> dholbach: the "bug page" is the page you get when you click on "More information on this bug..."
[03:09] <dholbach> bradb: i see
[03:09] <ogra> so we all click now on the "file a bug linke" (first one)
[03:09] <ogra> s/linke/link/
[03:10] <bradb> yeah, basically, anyone who can think of a bug they want to file, go for it.
[03:10] <ogra> hmm, either my line is slow or the server....
[03:10] <jani> the server I think
[03:10] <bradb> ogra: prod seems quite slow, yeah.
[03:10] <pitti_> for me it sucks, too
[03:10] <jani> it's crwaling from here as well
[03:11] <ogra> ah, i see the form now
[03:11] <bradb> ogra: it might be the load, or it might be that we've tripped on some bug in production somewhere.
[03:11] <ogra> yup
[03:12] <bradb> so, everyone comfortable with filing a bug so far?
[03:12] <ogra> so we enter ubuntu in the first field, since we dont want to report redhat bugs yet
[03:12] <jani> are there bug categories?
[03:12] <ogra> for the second we add the package name....
[03:12] <bradb> ogra: the first field is for the source package name
[03:12] <bradb> ogra: you should be filing the bug on this page: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu/+filebug as per how we've clicked to get there up to now.
[03:12] <ogra> bradb, for me there is a "Linux Distribution" field
[03:13] <ogra> ah, ok
[03:13] <bradb> thing to note about bug privacy:
[03:13] <bradb> it's a bit shaky in malone at the moment; don't rely on it quite yet.
[03:13] <dholbach> assignee "motu" is no ValidPerson
[03:14] <bradb> there are quite a lot of changes
[03:14] <ogra> pitti, no security bugs right now :(
[03:14] <dholbach> i mean it can't be searched from the list
[03:14] <pitti> bradb: right, I filed it as confidential, but it appears in the list (https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu/)
[03:14] <bradb> pitti: it's getting there and it's what i'm working on right now, but there are still one or two screens that aren't calling the proper APIs, and so you can sidestep privacy by visiting those screens.
[03:14] <pitti> bradb: it's not really a confident bug, just for testing (it's public for months)
[03:15] <bradb> pitti: it appears in the list for you, yes.
[03:15] <bradb> pitti: not for me
[03:15] <pitti> oh, cool
[03:15] <pitti> who can see #245?
[03:15] <ogra> i cant...
[03:15] <pitti> I'm automatically subscribed to bugs I file, of course, makes sense :-)
[03:15] <pitti> neat
[03:15] <bradb> even trying to go to /malone/bugs/245 directly, most people will get a login popup, and won't be able to get past that.
[03:16] <pitti> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/245
[03:16] <pitti> so every malone member can see this, right?
[03:16] <bradb> pitti: this is an example of one of the bugs, "team awareness" in privacy. when this works properly, the person or members of the team that are the "maintainer" on that bug, will properly see that bug in their listing.
[03:16] <pitti> bradb: is it planned to make this truly non-visible?
[03:16] <seb128> hum, it asks for a login/password
[03:16] <ogra> seb128, yeah
[03:16] <pitti> seb128: take your normal website login
[03:17] <seb128> bah, easy to say
[03:17] <bradb> pitti: totally 100% yes. it's supposed to be that way right now, but again, not quite working correctly everywhere.
[03:17] <seb128> I don't remember this one :p
[03:17] <dholbach> bradb: what does "22 Mar 05 00:00  	gmime2: assignee  	 	motu  	XXX: not yet implemented"  mean, in  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/244/activity  ?
[03:17] <pitti> bradb: okay, fine :-) it's not that critical, the current handling of nondisclosed bugs doesn't involve bug trackign systems anyway
[03:17] <bradb>  /malone/bugs/245 and the tasks link will be properly protected, but one or two listings that aren't using the appropriate APIs will still actually *list* the bug and its title in a bug listing (but still, when you try clicking on it, you won't be able to click through)
[03:18] <bradb> dholbach: means i haven't yet implemented a decent activity message for that thing yet :P
[03:18] <pitti> bradb: I edit the bug, click to Asignee (list), search for Pitt
[03:18] <dholbach> i see, ok (the time is wrong as well= :-))
[03:18] <pitti> bradb: now I see "name100" as asignee for Martin Pitt :-(
[03:18] <bradb> pitti: yeah :/
[03:19] <bradb> pitti: i'm not a big fan of that, but it can be fixed.
[03:19] <bradb> heh
[03:19] <ogra> heh
[03:19] <name100> hello world
[03:19] <pitti> seb128: are you name128? :-)
[03:19] <bradb> pitti: i think that's a leftover from when we imported what was basically sample data into prod for the user accounts. stub can help us sort out sane usernames, i think.
[03:20] <seb128> pitti: I'll wait a big and try to get this one :p
[03:20] <seb128> s/big/bit/
[03:20] <ogra> pitti, are you unique in the user list ? you probably need to merge your accounts...
[03:20] <dholbach> who can get on  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/assigned ?
[03:20] <pitti> ogra: ENOCLUE
[03:20] <bradb> ok, so, everyone cool then with filing a bug so far? everyone aware of the warning about not counting too much on privacy for critical things right this moment?
[03:20] <jani> dholbach, my browser is trying for half a minute
[03:21] <ogra> bradb, for me its fine....lets hear the others
[03:21] <bradb> the next thing i'm going to explain is the bug listing, clicking on it, and the difference between tasks and bugs, how they're related, how they're different, and why you'll love them.
[03:21] <pitti> bradb: bug filing is alright
[03:21] <pitti> bradb: one question
[03:22] <pitti> bradb: can I enter metadata to the bug filing, like an external URL?
[03:22] <bradb> pitti: if it were a strong use case, we could spec around you on that.
[03:22] <ogra> dholbach, how did you get there (through links)
[03:22] <pitti> bradb: I'd like a CAN number for security bugs, or just links to mailing lists, etc.
[03:22] <dholbach> ogra: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone -> "Assigned Bug Reports"
[03:22] <pitti> bradb: but please go on with your agenda
[03:23] <bradb> pitti: the intent is that MOTU is going to barrage me with requests for useful features that we then turn into detailed specs and implement. a more complete bug filing form will surely be part of that (we already have a spec for it, actually, but it will probably need some molding based on MOTU feedback)
[03:23] <pitti> bradb: cool
[03:23] <ogra> bradb, also a package version field would be nice
[03:23] <pitti> sorry for interrupting
[03:24] <bradb> ogra: i think the intent for right this moment is to leave that with comments, but we do have a mechanism for tracking bugs in versions which i'll mention shortly
[03:24] <bradb> so
[03:24] <bradb> the bug listing
[03:24] <bradb> what you're looking at when you view a bug listing is basically the "tasks" filed on bugs in your context.
[03:24] <bradb> so, what does THAT mean?
[03:25] <bradb> well, take a look at bug 206, for example
[03:25] <bradb> let's face it, that bug exists upstream, and potentially in other distributions that might package bazaar.
[03:26] <bradb> it's bug #206 no matter whether you're looking at it in Ubuntu, upstream, or Debian
[03:26] <tritium> some packages have different names in other distros.  How will you handle that?
[03:26] <bradb> but, bug #206 in MY context (Ubuntu) has, for example, somebody different assigned to fix it, a different priority, possible a different status (might already be Fixed), etc.
[03:27] <bradb> this is definitely slow. ing. down. for some reason.
[03:27] <ogra> yup
[03:27] <ogra> cant get to 206
[03:27] <tritium> Yeah, I can't even connect
[03:27] <pitti> I can't get any page any more
[03:27] <jani> I got proxy error 502
[03:28] <jani> I am not using a proxy btw
[03:28] <ogra> jani, its  internal one
[03:28] <ogra> + a
[03:28] <ogra> hey sabdfl
[03:28] <bradb> i'm talking to stub right now, to see what's going on
[03:28] <sabdfl> hey all - hey bradb!
[03:28] <pitti> Hi sabdfl
[03:28] <bradb> hi sabdfl
[03:28] <HostingGeek> hey ogra
[03:28] <tritium> Hi sabdfl
[03:28] <mvo> hi sabdfl
[03:29] <HostingGeek> hey Treenaks
[03:29] <zul> hey sabdfl
[03:29] <HostingGeek> hi sabdfl
[03:29] <HostingGeek> hi zul
[03:29] <bradb> sabdfl: so, MOTU seem to have stumbled on the first potential problem with Launchpad. it's as though we've just slashdotted production. :/
[03:30] <bradb> so, while stub's looking at that...
[03:30] <pitti> 20 people can already DoS launchpad?
[03:30] <ogra> sabdfl, beside that its a really nice tool
[03:30] <bradb> pitti: it appears to be something happening on the database end of things, according to stub.
[03:31] <pitti> some theory then?
[03:31] <bradb> so, more about bugs and tasks.
[03:31] <ogra> yeah
[03:31] <bradb> a bug is a problem in some software
[03:31] <seb128> pitti: bah, 20 people is a lot :p
[03:31] <bradb> so, like bug #206 was "baz signing failure should be more visible"
[03:31] <bradb> a *task* OTOH is a bug needing to be fixed in a specific place
[03:32] <bradb> so, for bug #206...
[03:32] <sabdfl> it's early days guys, but i think malone has huge potential to improve collaboration between us, derivatives, upstream and debian
[03:32] <sabdfl> so thanks bradb!
[03:32] <bradb> (just getting stub to restart the zope instance)
[03:33] <ogra> sabdfl, did you hear any disappionment in our words ? ;)
[03:33] <bradb> so, for bug #206, you might have a *task* to say that bug has to be fixed in Ubuntu
[03:33] <bradb> a *task* to fix that bug upstream
[03:33] <bradb> a *task* to fix that bug in Debian.
[03:33] <pitti> so a bug itself does not have a status?
[03:33] <kiko> not per se.
[03:33] <bradb> each *task* (fear my *asterisk* *usage*) has an assignee, a status, a priority, etc.
[03:34] <pitti> yeah, makes sense
[03:34] <bradb> ok, stub's restarted it, you guys should be able to access it again
[03:34] <ogra> yeah, it pretty fast now
[03:34] <sabdfl> pitti: a bug will have an emergent status over time, but that's not implemented
[03:34] <bradb> according to him, this relates to a recent problem we've had to do with an email sending bug
[03:34] <sabdfl> the emergent status will be, for example, "a fix exists somewhere"
[03:34] <sabdfl> or "mostly fixed everywhere"
[03:35] <bradb> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/206/+edit
[03:35] <sabdfl> so it's more the overall status of the bug in the open source world
[03:35] <pitti> sabdfl: so a bug tracks patches, whereas a task tracks the status in distros
[03:35] <sabdfl> the specific status in, say, debian or ubuntu or guadalinex or upstream is given in a task
[03:35] <pitti> (spoken simply)
[03:35] <sabdfl> pitti: and upstream
[03:35] <pitti> nice
[03:35] <pitti> sure :-), I think in this context upstream can be abstracted to just another distro
[03:36] <bradb> so, for distros, any logged in user can edit the task, for the moment.
[03:36] <dredg> that's pretty neat
[03:36] <sabdfl> so basically we have one single bug number, no matter whether we are talking about the bug in RedHat or Debian or Ubuntu
[03:36] <bradb> maybe you guys'll decide that that's not a sane policy, but we can try it out and see how it goes.
[03:36] <pitti> bradb: it sounds _great_ :-)
[03:36] <bradb> :)
[03:36] <dholbach> yes :-)
[03:36] <bradb> anyone unclear so far on tasks vs. bugs?
[03:36] <pitti> bradb: a lot saner than all this URL shuffling between gnome, debbugs and bugzilla
 20 people can already DoS launchpad?
[03:36] <HostingGeek> wtf!
[03:37] <ogra> bradb, nope, great explanation so far
[03:37] <HostingGeek> 20 people ddos launchpad?!
[03:37] <dholbach> hmmmm, still don't get on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/assigned
[03:38] <dholbach> ahhhh, now
[03:38] <bradb> ok, so stub says he's got a quick fix to stop this email bug from slowing us down
[03:38] <ogra> ok
[03:38] <bradb> so, expect some tremors over the next minute or two
[03:39] <bradb> the next thing i want to go through is the bug page: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/206
[03:39] <ogra> hmm, proxy error...lets wait then
[03:39] <pitti> ah, so if I click on bug #206 in the ubuntu bug list, this will be the correct task automatically
[03:39] <bradb> basically just enough to give you guys an idea of what's there, how things are laid out, what doesn't quite work yet, etc.
[03:39] <bradb> pitti: yessirry
[03:40] <bradb> pitti: and, further, if you click on bug #206 from Ubuntu /warty/ you'll land on the correct backporting fix (assuming there was such a backporting task filed)
[03:40] <bradb> ok, stub's given the green light, so we'll continue here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/206
[03:41] <ogra> hmm, f i recieved an error i automatically get logged out....if i move on, recognize that and log in again i have to click through the whole procedure....
[03:41] <bradb> ogra: a server restart kills the cookie auth, yes.
[03:41] <pitti> bah, I'm immediately thrown into the edit page
[03:41] <ogra> would be nice if it automatically redirected me like the wiki does
[03:41] <herve> ogra, I noticed malone may wrongly say you're anonymous
[03:41] <ogra> yup
[03:42] <herve> and zope error message are in an anonymous context, generally speaking
[03:42] <bradb> yes, we've got some login problems with the interaction between basic auth, cookie auth, and some of the pages.
[03:42] <ogra> bradb, steal the wiki code ;)
[03:42] <bradb> so, looking at the bug page:
[03:42] <bradb> the first thing you'll see: portlets!
[03:43] <bradb> we're a big fan of using portlets as a way to display all kinds of extra useful information about a bug: the people subscribed to it, the maintainers, the external links related to this bug, CVE ref numbers, and even information about the status of this bug in an external bug tracker.
[03:44] <bradb> so, the subscriptions portlet, pretty obvious: the people subscribed to the bug.
[03:44] <bradb> where this takes on real importance is with private bugs, because once a bug is made private, only the people subscribed to the bug can actually /see/ the bug anymore.
[03:44] <bradb> (but let's not get too into privacy any further in the demo)
[03:44] <bradb> next up, the "add to bug:" portlet
[03:45] <bradb> things of note there:
[03:45] <bradb> infestations: we haven't quite fully figured out how we intend to work with these yet, so don't worry about them too much yet. suffice to say, ogra this is the mechanism i was talking about for how we intend to track bugs in specific versions of software, and document the way in which those versions are affected.
[03:46] <ogra> ah, ok
[03:46] <bradb> at some point, we may collect version info on the bug filing form and then automatically create the appropriate infestations to document that this bug affects version 2.0.52 of Apache, etc.
[03:47] <bradb> note also in the actions portlet, pitti this is where you can add your CVE ref #
[03:47] <dholbach> CVE?
[03:47] <sabdfl> also, automated bug submission tools will help maintain the version-infestation data
[03:47] <sabdfl> CVE is a standardised reference for a security vulnerability
[03:47] <ogra> sabdfl, youre referring to reportbug and friends ?
[03:47] <bradb> dholbach: http://www.cve.mitre.org/
[03:47] <dholbach> sabdfl, bradb: ok thanks
[03:48] <sabdfl> ogra: yes
[03:48] <pitti> bradb: cool :-)
[03:48] <ogra> great :)
[03:48] <bradb> you can also add external web links
[03:48] <bradb> e.g. mailing list discussions, a wikipedia page, whatever.
[03:49] <bradb> so, lastly, and one of the more interesting malone features (related to what's shown in the portlets, that is) is tracking bugs in external bug trackers.
[03:49] <bradb> Malone's a bug tracker for the open source world
[03:49] <bradb> it's there for people who want to use it
[03:49] <bradb> but realistically, not everyone's going to switch to malone
[03:49] <tritium> heh, bradb says "lastly", and I'm still trying to connect...
[03:50] <bradb> tritium: it was working for me as of about 1 min ago
[03:50] <bradb> i may need stub to do another restart though
[03:50] <tritium> It's okay.  I'll save a log of this and go back and try it later ;)
[03:50] <ogra> yeah, hanging here too
[03:51] <bradb> just asked stub to kick the tires again
[03:51] <bradb> it loaded for me again, but yeah, we'll be on this problem right after this demo until it's fixed. :)
[03:51] <dholbach> but from what i see this is the reach-out-your-hands-and-feel-the-love--experience we waited for :-)
[03:51] <bradb> so, returning to external bug trackers
[03:51] <ogra> YEAH, absolutely....its dammned cool
[03:52] <bradb> the typical workflow for using an external bug tracker would be something like this:
[03:52] <bradb> i'm the source package maintainer of package foo, in Ubuntu.
[03:52] <bradb> the "foo" upstream guys have their own fancy bug tracking system, so they don't use Malone
[03:52] <bradb> so
[03:53] <bradb> as the "foo" maintainer in Ubuntu, i get a bug report that "foo crashes when bar"
[03:53] <bradb> (a task filed against Ubuntu)
[03:53] <bradb> as the source package maintainer, having seen this bug report on my Ubuntu package...
[03:53] <bradb> i go to the upstream foo bug tracker and report the bug their, if it doesn't already exist.
[03:54] <bradb> then, i can add a /watch/ for that upstream bug, link it to the Ubuntu task, and know when it was fixed upstream.
[03:54] <ogra> wow
[03:54] <dholbach> bradb: i'm curious, how does it do that? :-)
[03:55] <bradb> we're not doing particularly fancy stuff yet, like mapping between upstream status codes and malone status codes on tasks, but that's a possibility for the future.
[03:55] <bradb> dholbach: we have objects that model the external bug tracker, and know where to find the bug tracker and how to interact with it, based on the data entered by the person who admins such bug trackers in Malone.
[03:56] <bradb> so, moving along though
[03:56] <dholbach> ah ok
[03:56] <dholbach> thanks bradb
[03:56] <bradb> note that comments are not threaded on the bug page
[03:56] <bradb> the intent is to encourage collaboration among all the developers that are working on fixing this bug
[03:57] <bradb> my partner in crime, BjornT is currently hacking away on the Malone email interface though
[03:57] <bradb> and discussions will, of course, be threadable through that
[03:57] <bradb> the last main point to note then for the bug page, is the tasks listing, and adding new tasks
[03:58] <bradb> so, the tasks listing shows all the tasks filed for this bug. i.e. all the places in which this bug needs to be fixed.
[03:58] <bradb> i would think that most bugs will have at least two tasks, one for the distro they were filed in, and one for upstream. this list might grow quite large when we really get moving with derivations and more and more users adopt launchpad.
[03:59] <bradb> there are three kinds of tasks you can file from this page:
[04:00] <bradb> 1. the upstream task -- as a source package maintainer who has a good connection with your upstream guy you could take the opportunity to note that this bug needs fixing upstream by adding an upstream task
[04:00] <bradb> 2. distro task -- a task that notes that this bug needs to be fixed in some other distro, somewhere. for you guys initially, you probably won't use this as much
[04:01] <bradb> 3. distro release task -- this is a kind of task that allows you to say, "this bug has to be fixed in Ubuntu *warty*"
[04:01] <bradb> so, that way, you can have a task filed in Ubuntu /and/ in Ubuntu warty
[04:01] <bradb> the former means "fix the bug in the current development release of Ubuntu"
[04:01] <bradb> the latter means "backport the fix to warty"
[04:01] <bradb> make sense?
[04:02] <ogra> hmm, yup
[04:03] <pitti> yeah, e. g. for security or data loss bugs
[04:03] <ogra> as long as we backport bugs....
[04:03] <bradb> ok, any other questions? i'm about ready to wrap up and decide how we're going to move forward.
[04:04] <bradb> pitti: ?
[04:04] <ogra> err s/bugs/fixes indeed
[04:04] <pitti> bradb: yes?
[04:05] <bradb> pitti: oh, i thought that when you said "yeah, ..." that you meant you had a question about security/data loss bugs.
[04:05] <bradb> anyway, sorry :)
[04:05] <pitti> no, just loud thinking, sorry
[04:05] <bradb> so, as for MOTU using Malone...
[04:06] <bradb> i'll have to have a quick chat with sabdfl and stub about the glitch we just experienced, and come up with a plan for how to work with that.
[04:06] <bradb> i think our intent though is to get you guys using Malone ASAP (like, even today, if I get the go-ahead from sabdfl/stub/etc)
[04:06] <tritium> Thanks bradb!  :)
[04:06] <pitti> hmm, when I click on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/245/tasks/+distrotask, I just get an error
[04:07] <bradb> we'll be looking for lots of feedback from you guys, because getting you guys using Malone will be the best exercise of the system so far, and give us some really good ideas for how to improve the end-user experience.
[04:07] <ogra> yep, that should get sorted before we go in production, but otherwise, awesome !!!
[04:07] <dholbach> bradb: that sounds marvellous
[04:07] <pitti> bradb: good crack, when can we use it for main? :)
[04:08] <bradb> pitti: yeah, one of the privacy fixes that i made broke the task screens, but when stub rolls out a new version onto production, those task screens should work 100% again.
[04:08] <bradb> pitti: heh!
[04:08] <ogra> pitti, if MOTU has tested it enough ;)
[04:08] <sabdfl> absolutely, if we can iron out that glitch let's get using malone right away
[04:08] <ogra> we are the guinea pigs
[04:09] <bradb> sabdfl: cool, i'll talk to stub right now and see what our best plan is for that.
[04:09] <sabdfl> pitti: we'll get the MOTu guys to break the ice, then shift over to using Malone for main during the breezy cycle
[04:09] <pitti> nice
[04:09] <sabdfl> we'll migrate the main bugs from bugzilla to malone when we do that
[04:09] <bradb> that'll rock
[04:09] <ogra> YEAH
[04:09] <ogra> such a nice tool
[04:09] <pitti> sabdfl: btw, what do we do about all the (Ubuntu #nnn) numbers in existing changelogs?
[04:09] <pitti> sabdfl: as well as in mails, etc. Will the old open bugs be imported somehow?
[04:09] <kiko> pitti, we live with them :)
[04:10] <pitti> but if Malone can track other trackers (like bz) anyway, can't we just import our own bz?
[04:10] <ogra> pitti, you can add them to "bugtrackerwatches" and leave bugzilla in place for a while
[04:10] <sabdfl> pitti: no, old closed bugs will stay closed
[04:10] <pitti> yeah, that was the idea. I just don't want to import some 3000 bugs manually :-)
[04:10] <sabdfl> old open bugs that we really care about will get new bugs in malone, and a watch on the bugzilla
[04:10] <pitti> sabdfl: okay
[04:11] <sabdfl> so it can be marked fixed in bugzilla and will automaticlaly be marked fixed in malone
[04:11] <sabdfl> pitti: it will be an automatic process
[04:11] <pitti> great
[04:12] <dholbach> what about the formation ob new teams? like MOTUGames, MOTUPython or something?
[04:12] <dholbach> s/ob/of
[04:12] <bradb> so guys, that's a wrap from my end, but any questions, don't hesitate to contact me on IRC or via email: brad.bollenbach@canonical.com.
[04:12] <tritium> thanks again bradb!
[04:12] <bradb> i'm talking to stub now. ogra i'll give you an update shortly.
[04:12] <pitti> bradb: thanks a lot!
[04:12] <bradb> thanks all.
[04:12] <dholbach> bradb: thank you very much
[04:12] <ogra> bradb, thanks for this nice presentation
[04:13] <pitti> MOTU team, have fun with it! And please don't find too many bugs so that we can use it as well :)
[04:13] <dholbach> pitti: haha :-)
[04:13] <ogra> a log is here if anybody wants to read back: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-current.html
[04:13] <kiko> thanks ogra
[04:14] <ogra> pitti, havent you seen the plante entry of tseng ? hoary has no bugs anymore ;)
[04:14] <ogra> kiko, youre welcome :)
[04:14] <ogra> planet even
[04:15] <pitti> ogra: oh, nice to hear
[04:15] <ogra> heh
[04:15] <ogra> lol, have a nice holiday pitti
[04:15] <pitti> ogra: I think I will now tackle the undocumented features
[04:15] <pitti> hehe
[04:16] <ogra> hihi
[04:20] <dholbach> ogra: just leave it in place :-)
[04:21] <ogra> yeah, my face muscles nearly forgot how that feels the last days :)
[04:22] <dholbach> ogra: we now have 43 people in here... will you start some recruitment action, while i take murphy for a walk? :-)
[04:23] <ogra> dholbach, i think most of them already are candidates ;)
[04:24] <ogra> so anybody in here who aims to be a MOTU and doesnt know how to procced ?
[04:26] <ogra> hm, looks like our process is documented well enough now, great :)
[04:28] <ogra> herve, how should i interpret that waving....you dont know how to go on ?
[04:28] <herve> I heard about motu candidites
[04:29] <herve> (candidates)
[04:29] <dredg> ogra: i'm stuck. my shoelace has come untied. i am not sure how to proceed
[04:29] <herve> but I haven't read all
[04:29] <dholbach> herve: how's your key?
[04:29] <ogra> herve, your key ?
[04:29] <herve> not changed
[04:29] <ogra> dredg, could we do this by email, its a bit off topic here *g*
[04:31] <bradb> ok guys, just got the official word from kiko and sabdfl to give you guys the go-ahead. MOTU is on Malone baby! :)
[04:31] <ogra> yippie
[04:31] <dredg> sweet as
[04:32] <dholbach> woohoo!
[04:32] <herve> dholbach, none of the DD I contacted answered (yet)
[04:32] <dholbach> herve: :-(((
[04:32] <kiko> we are happy to serve
[04:32] <herve> this means malone ROCKS?
[04:32] <bradb> it ROCKS
[04:33] <dholbach> herve: maybe you should start the same actions as jani (notary and such)
[04:33] <herve> dholbach, I have other cards in my hand ;-)
[04:33] <ogra> herve, send them :)
[04:33] <koke> hi MOTUs
[04:33] <ogra> hi koke
[04:33] <dholbach> koke: could you please change your perl-script to file bugs in malone instead? ;-)
[04:34] <ogra> yeah
[04:34] <sabdfl> dholbach, ogra: glad you like the concept - plese file bugs on usability issues to help steer bradb and bjornt in the right direction
[04:34] <koke> how was the malone stuff??
[04:34] <ogra> koke, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-motu-current.html
[04:34] <ogra> sabdfl, we'll do :)
[04:34] <dholbach> sabdfl: sure thing - it's what we really needed
[04:35] <ogra> sabdfl, thanks for this nice tool
[04:35] <dholbach> sabdfl: the lists are getting more and more each day
[04:35] <bradb> ogra, dholbach: yeah, like sabdfl says, your input will act as direct input into what we focus on to improve the Malone user experience.
[04:35] <ogra> bradb, and thanks for building it  ;)
[04:36] <koke> ogra: I only see 01:59-04:16 in the log :(
[04:37] <ogra> koke, it starts 3:00 ...
[04:37] <koke> ok
[04:37] <dholbach> the  "assigned"   page still doesnt work
[04:37] <ogra> (the test that is)
[04:37] <ogra> dholbach, file a bug
[04:39] <bradb> if you guys want to get your bugs and features fixed and/or worked on quickly https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/malone is the right starting point. we get IRC notifications when bugs are filed there.
[04:39] <ogra> wow, thats a cool feature
[04:39] <ogra> can we have it too for MOTU bugs ?
[04:40] <ogra> (might be a flood though)
[04:40] <dholbach> #ubuntu-bugs ?
[04:40] <bradb> ogra: we're planning improving the IRC notifications so that different upstreams and/or distros can use this stuff for their channel, but that's still at the pre-spec stage, so still much to consider before implementing it on that scale.
[04:40] <ogra> gah, another channel ?
[04:41] <ogra> bradb, ok, but put me on the customer list ;)
[04:41] <dredg> can never have too many channels...
[04:41] <sabdfl> it should be ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu
[04:42] <dredg> bradb: how does that work? does it ping an irc bot?
[04:42] <bradb> dredg: it's an IRC bot that knows how to read email and talk to IRC channels
[04:42] <ogra> yeah, thats waht i thought, but universe holds more the 15000 pkgs, could get hard to cope with
[04:42] <koke> bradb: are there jabber notifications too?
[04:42] <bradb> koke: also on the wishlist, i think, but somewhat in the future.
[04:43] <koke> bradb: do you know sendxmpp?? is quite simillar to the mail command
[04:43] <bradb> koke: looks cool
[04:44] <koke> I use it for my mini-dinstall notifications
[04:44] <bradb> there are python jabber libraries too; no idea how useful they are at this point
[04:45] <herve> bradb, I found xmpp was the most usable
[04:45] <herve> well, usable at least, other are either too young or not maintained
[04:50] <dholbach> see you later
[04:50] <tritium> you leaving dholbach ?
[04:50] <dholbach> Treenaks: yes... take murphy out and get a bit of fresh air
[04:50] <tritium> see you later
[04:50] <dholbach> *ARGL*, i was talking to you, tritium :-)
[04:50] <tritium> I figured ;)
[04:50] <ogra> heh, he will be happy to hear that....
[04:52] <dholbach> *wave*
[04:58] <herve> hi jani
[04:59] <herve> can you check if the python transition page is up to date for you?
[05:01] <jani> hi herve
[05:01] <jani> I have 3 packages pending review or upload ((if I get upload right)
[05:01] <herve> rock!
[05:02] <jani> I suck, I thought CC metting is at 16UTC, I rushed home from work
[05:02] <herve> so no ghost package marked as "being transitioned" but resolved?
[05:02] <jani> and it's at midnight here :(
[05:02] <jani> well I think they're marked as being transitioned since they're not upoloaded yet
[05:03] <herve> sure
[05:03] <jani> are you a motu candidate today?
[05:03] <herve> ok then, thanks
[05:03] <herve> er yes, but my key is too weak
[05:04] <jani> I just faxed a notary signed paper to mako today and he got it
[05:04] <jani> you got _real_ people in grenoble who can sign your keys
[05:04] <jani> go and stalk them till they do it :)
[05:04] <herve> no one answered
[05:04] <jani> there was noone in my area
[05:05] <jani> did you try ringign their doorbells ;) ?
[05:05] <herve> couldn't find where they live ;-)
[05:16] <jani> guys which public keyserver should I upload my key to?any preference?
[05:18] <jani> ok I've done it, was easier than I thought
[05:20] <herve> I use pgp.mit.edu
[05:23] <jani> It was a no-brainer: gpg --send-key jani
[05:24] <jani> it has a default server
[05:25] <herve> so you mean you don't even know where you published your key? ;-)
[05:25] <jani> well the keyservers propagate the keys to/from eachother so it doesn't matter
[05:25] <jani> just learned this 10 minutes ago so it mighht be not true :)
[05:26] <herve> I was told that pgp.mit.edu does
[05:26] <herve> does it mean some others don't...
[05:30] <jani> I think they all do it
[05:32] <jani> herve I don't know where it uploaded but gpg,mit.edu has mine already .
[05:32] <jani> cool :)
[05:38] <herve> jani, did you know you can append a photograph to your gpg key? :-)
[05:50] <dredg> well, save for driving licence and passport. and i look like a dirty hippy in those
[05:51] <lamont> hrm....  3dwm alogg atlas bakery-gnomeui2.0 clanlib db4.0 dia-newcanvas digikamplugins fenris gal2 gaphor glui gmime2 gprolog gwydion-dylan harbour hdf5 hmake jakarta-log4j1.2 kdebindings kimdaba mico mozart oo2c ossp-uuid python-gnome pyx rscheme sbcl sip-qt3 swt-motif torch-examples wnn6-sdk wxwidgets2.5 xplc yehia
[05:51] <herve> dredg, any many of us I guess :-)
[05:52] <herve> lamont, these are?
[05:52] <dredg> that said, i do need a haircut... it's starting to adopt a mullet-like quality
[05:53] <lamont> herve: the 'since the beginning of the test-build' potential regressions
[05:54] <lamont> my data source is not conducive to making delta lists...
[05:54] <herve> problem with sip-qt3?
[05:54] <herve> I have to transition it tonight...
[05:55] <lamont> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[05:55] <lamont> python(inst 2.4-0ubuntu6 ! << wanted 2.4)
[05:55] <lamont> herve: that would be the problem
[05:56] <lamont> that list is: test-rebuild failed on at least one architecture, and at least one deb of the same version exists in the archvie
[05:56] <herve> lamont, will be resolved in a few hours now
[05:56] <lamont> woot
[06:14] <dholbach> re
[06:19] <herve> plop
[06:20] <dholbach> hey herve :-)
[06:21] <herve> so you have something against guys hanging around this channel? ;-)
[06:21] <dholbach> erm
[06:21] <dholbach> maybe i misunderstand you :-)
[06:22] <herve> yes, I really meant *me*, not *you*
[06:23] <ogra> lamont, how long is a american second ?
[06:23] <dholbach> herve: i think i have to cook something to regain the ability to understand whats going on :-)
[06:23] <ogra> lamont, does it differ from european ones ?
[06:24] <herve> dholbach, I even ask an American customer downstairs if "hanging around" wasn't insultive ;-)
[06:24] <herve> (and he told me another nice expression!)
[06:24] <dholbach> "hanging around" is ok, isnt it?
[06:25] <ogra> dholbach, i would guess so
[06:25] <herve> now I'm sure!
[06:39] <lamont> ogra: I think that one is a world-wide standard.  (well, actually 3 of them, iirc.)
[06:40] <ogra> hmm, strange...
[06:40] <ogra> lamont, are you sure the new yorkers dont mean h if they say s ?
[06:41] <ogra> lamont, yust private with mako, the last he said was " yeah one second"  (at 17:46 ..... now its 18:40) :)
[06:42] <ogra> was just wondering *g*
[06:43] <herve> ogra, have you thought there might be some lag? ;-)
[06:44] <ogra> lol...i'm just silly kidding....trying to beat the time until the next sentence :)
[06:47] <herve> maybe he has moved to the Moon?
[06:48] <ogra> hmm, that would explain the lag
[06:50] <herve> try subspace communication, it rocks! ;-)
[06:50] <ogra> dunno if my alptop supports that.....i guess its a BIOS setting and i'd have to reboot :)
[06:59] <herve> driing! time to leave the job!
[07:01] <tritium> dholbach, we're "meeting" after the CC meeting?
[07:02] <ogra> tritium, sadly, yes
[07:02] <tritium> ogra, why sadly?
[07:02] <tritium> Is that a bad time?
[07:02] <ogra> it got rescheduled
[07:02] <tritium> Oh, yeah...
[07:03] <tritium> Well, I can't make the CC meeting, but I should be back in time for the start of the MOTU meeting.
[07:03] <ogra> heh, great
[07:03] <jani> I don't think I can make either :(
[07:08] <lamont> ogra: it's a time zone thing... :-)
[07:08] <ogra> hehe
[07:10] <ogra> still no answer :) but i could watch the cat instead experiencing its first rain outside which is _very_ entertaining...
[07:12] <lamont> 3dwm dia-newcanvas digikamplugins gal2 harbour kdebindings kimdaba mozart oo2c python-gnome pyx sip-qt3 snacc torch-examples u++ wnn6-sdk xmpi
[07:12] <lamont> hrm.. I think _some_ of those are new... :-)
[07:12] <lamont> poor man's delta. :-)
[07:12] <ogra> hmm
[07:13] <ogra> python-gnome is universe ?
[07:31] <koke> hi all! sorry, I forgot the meeting :8
[07:31] <koke> :(
[07:32] <dholbach> koke: you didnt
[07:32] <dholbach> koke: 22 utc is CC meeting
[07:32] <dholbach> koke: and after that motu meeting
[07:32] <koke> aah ok :D
[07:32] <koke> is a bit late here, but I don't have to work tomorrow :D
[07:33] <dholbach> koke: so you can relax and update wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild :-)
[07:33] <koke> :D
[07:34] <dholbach> or auto-file-bugs-in-malone :-)
[07:34] <koke> I'm going to read the malone log now
[07:35] <tritium> that's quite a changelog for the latest kernel update
[07:35] <koke>  ia64, amd64, powerpc <-- IMHO this would be clearer as "!= i386" or simillar
[07:36] <koke>  libmrproject all
[07:36] <koke> shouldn't this be "any"??
[07:36] <dholbach> yes
[07:36] <dholbach> i wrote it in a hurry
[07:37] <dholbach> change the layout to whatever you think is better
[07:39] <dholbach> lamont: could you please the  powerpc -buildd on handling  alogg  dia-newcanvas  openscenegraph  xli  ?
[07:41] <dholbach> jani: will the darcs-sync fix the ia64-issue?
[07:43] <dholbach> koke: the links on  UniverseDoesNotBuild  are still borked :-)
[07:44] <lamont> dholbach: please what?
[07:44] <koke> dholbach: which ones?
[07:44] <koke> :D
[07:44] <dholbach> koke: darcs
[07:44] <lamont> dholbach: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/a/alogg/....
[07:44] <lamont> etc
[07:44] <lamont> if you want the log...
[07:44] <dholbach> lamont: erm the real builds
[07:45] <dholbach> lamont: i thought you were able to give them a kick?
[07:45] <koke> dholbach: that was ok, are you sure you (or someone else) aren't overwriting it?
[07:45] <lamont> dholbach: well, the verb was missing from your sentence...
[07:45] <dholbach> lamont: oh sorry... KICK, please kick! :-)
[07:45] <dholbach> koke: i can't be sure... :-)
[07:46] <lamont>   Package             : alogg
[07:46] <lamont>   Version             : 1.3.3-4ubuntu1
[07:46] <lamont>   Builder             : buildd+royal
[07:46] <lamont>   State               : Installed
[07:46] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/alogg/1.3.3-4ubuntu1/alogg_1.3.3-4ubuntu1_20050322-1604-powerpc-failed
[07:47] <dholbach> oh... now it built
[07:47] <dholbach> *GRR*
[07:47] <dholbach> sorry for keeping you away from your work
[07:47] <lamont> the only ones I need to be involved in kicking are things where it winds up dep-waited on a package that will never show up in the archive.
[07:48] <lamont> or in the cases where it sends me a failure log  (still shows as 'Building' and there is a log file with a failure).
[07:48] <koke> dholbach: check darcs now
[07:48] <dholbach> bon apptit, lamont
[07:48] <dholbach> lamont: i'll just wait if  openscenegraph  and  xli  on  powerpc  will work out
[07:51] <dholbach> koke: jani requested a sync
[07:53] <koke> dholbach: I meant just the link
[07:54] <dholbach> ah ok :-)
[07:58] <koke> ouch http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gcc-2.95/2.95.4.ds15-22/gcc-2.95_2.95.4.ds15-22_20050322-1132-powerpc-failed
[07:58] <koke> cyclic dep
[08:00] <dholbach> gcc-2.95 is nasty :-/
[08:01] <tseng> oh jeez, i just noticed this months calender
[08:01] <tseng> as if anyone was left out there that didnt think we were pushing porn
[08:02] <tseng> in background manager
[08:02] <tseng> its a new image every month, like a calender
[08:02] <tritium> there's an actual listing of the days of the month?
[08:02] <tseng> ^
[08:03] <tritium> I've only seen the images, never an actual listing of days...I'll look again
[08:03] <herve> tritium, it just means the update is much awaited every month ;-)
[08:03] <tritium> herve, kind of a misnomer, imho
[08:04] <herve> in mine too
[08:10] <dholbach> ok... looking into gnustep-imagekits now
[08:20] <ogra> fud ?
[08:20] <dholbach> ha... works
[08:27] <dholbach> libdumb next
[08:30] <herve> what happened?
[08:30] <dholbach> you flew out
[08:30] <herve> I just quit?
[08:30] <dholbach> 20:27 you flew out, 20:30 you came back
[08:30] <dholbach> "* herve hat die Verbindung getrennt ("Leaving")"
[08:31] <herve> boy, I really need to sleep... I don't remember having closed xchat!
[08:32] <herve> so, I wanted to say
[08:32] <herve> that new transition/rebuild seems easy
[08:32] <dholbach> which one?
[08:32] <dholbach> xosd?
[08:33] <herve> I thought it was over
[08:33] <herve> you're not fixing the universe rebuilding?
[08:33] <dholbach> yes, but i left you some xosd bits :-)
[08:33] <dholbach> libdumb is rocking again :-)
[08:33] <herve> don't tell me... the worst cases? :-)
[08:34] <dholbach> haha :-)
[08:34] <dholbach> you'll be building for hours
[08:34] <dholbach> no... just kidding
[08:34] <jani> dholbach I don't know anything about amd64 and darcs
[08:34] <jani> I requested sync for some bugs fixed and a nice feature
[08:34] <dholbach> jani: jani did i say amd64?
[08:34] <dholbach> jani: i meant ia64
[08:35] <dholbach> jani: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/d/darcs/1.0.1-1/darcs_1.0.1-1_20050322-0506-ia64-failed
[08:35] <jani> I don;t know about that either :)
[08:35] <dholbach> maybe it got fixed as well ;-)
[08:35] <jani> I might have misread
[08:35] <jani> could be :)
[08:36] <herve> jani, check debian changelogs for arch fix ups
[08:36] <jani> oh no it's ghc not building not darcs itself
[08:36] <herve> er...
[08:36] <herve> I thought that whole tla-load-dirs/darcs/ghc ftbfs was alreary cleaned?
[08:36] <jani> I keep getting disconnected and then write for minutes
[08:36] <jani> and then see noone answers :)
[08:37] <jani> I lost mako that way too
[08:37] <herve> maybe that's what happened to ogra ;-)
[08:38] <ogra> herve, nope, it was relativity (E=mc) ;)
[08:39] <herve> you're right
[08:39] <herve> that's what happens with subcommunication at relativistic speeds ;-)
[08:40] <ogra> herve, yeah, as i said, its a BIOS option here i guess, and i refuse to reboot ;)
[08:40] <dholbach> you should always take your time, when talking to others
[08:40] <dholbach> :-)
[08:40] <ajmitch__> nice little malone demo earlier
[08:41] <ogra> yeah
[08:45] <siretart> hi motus
[08:46] <ogra> hi siretart
[08:46] <siretart> is anybody already at nvidia-settings? it ftbfs, I think it 'just' needs more build dependencies
[08:47] <siretart> I'm setting up an hoary chroot right now, it's just a matter of hours ;)
[08:47] <ogra> hmm, i would like to leave that one in daniels hands....
[08:47] <ogra> since its in restricted
[08:47] <siretart> oh
[08:48] <ogra> where we dont have access
[08:48] <dholbach> but pbuilder chroot is good anyways :-)
[08:48] <siretart> ;)
[08:48] <ogra> (which is actually not tre for me personally, but its no universe/multiverse package)
[08:48] <ogra> true even
[08:49] <herve> now kernel going wild...
[08:49] <dholbach> i look after libxcb
[08:49] <dholbach> herve: how that?
[08:49] <ogra> cosmic rays ?
[08:50] <herve> all freezed, 100% cpu use, and hdd light kept active
[08:50] <herve> ogra, so this "acct" package seems useful ;-)
[08:50] <ogra> yeah
[08:50] <ogra> was a real good tip from mjg59
[08:50] <siretart> ogra: well, I suspect adding libxxf86vm-dev and libxv-dev suffices. This seems to me some breakage from the xfree -> xorg transition..
[08:51] <siretart> adding to build-depends line
[08:51] <ogra> yeah, but since daniels packages X i guess he's aware...but i'll tell him again if .au wakes up
[08:52] <siretart> ok
[08:53] <herve> maybe some hints from ubuntu changelogs at the time of the xorg transition?
[08:53] <dholbach> there are quite a lot packages needing a poke libx*-wise
[08:53] <dholbach> most of the rebuilt packages fail because of it, i guess
[08:53] <ogra> dholbach, this will get worse (a LOT) in breezy....
[08:54] <dholbach> ogra: why that?
[08:54] <ogra> since xorg will get modularized completely.....
[08:54] <dholbach> sounds fun :-)
[08:54] <ogra> heh
[08:54] <ogra> yup, a lot to recompile....
[08:54] <herve> *fear*
[08:55] <dholbach> well what are you folks waiting for? grab a package from the list! ;-p
[08:55] <herve> it could be worth to write some script then?
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[08:55] <dholbach> woohoo
[08:55] <ogra> bad
[08:56] <koke> sorry, but it seems not very user friendly to me :(
[08:56] <herve> if I read well, the motu managed to kill malone this afternoon? ;-)
[08:56] <ogra> koke, file bugs against malone ....
[08:56] <koke> :D
[08:57] <koke> I'll do
[08:57] <koke> but it's a bunch of different small details :)
[08:57] <ogra> koke, great, thats exactly what the guys expect from us....be picky, make melone ROCK
[08:57] <koke> ogra: stuff like auto-focusing on inputs in popups
[08:57] <herve> koke, note how it will train you to use it in the end ;-)
[08:58] <ogra> err, malone
[08:58] <dholbach> ogra: "melodien fr melonen", eh?
[08:58] <ogra> hehe
[08:59] <ogra> yeah, singing for melons
[09:00] <koke> how can I assign the bug to me??
[09:02] <jani> is that a proverb or a songs' title ?
[09:02] <ogra> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/<your_bug_number>/+edit
[09:03] <ogra> jani, the funny way of describing a weird german TV show that plays music for ppl over 120
[09:03] <jani> aha :)
[09:04] <ogra> jani, "meldodys for millions" is the original title
[09:04] <ogra> -d
[09:04] <dholbach> jani: the shows title is "melodien fr millionen" - "melodies for millions" ... "melodien fr melonen" is... well you figured it already :-)
[09:04] <jani> yup :)
[09:04] <jani> yes they sound similar
[09:05] <dholbach> today was german lesson, tomorrow jani will teach us a bit romanian, right?
[09:06] <jani> or hungarian
[09:06] <jani> I just sorted out my notary papers with mako
[09:06] <jani> in the course of that I updated the wikipedia entry on John for both ro and hu
[09:06] <dholbach> that surely was big fun :-)
[09:06] <jani> name on ID != Jani :)
[09:07] <jani> actually I am (slowly and passively) learning german
[09:07] <koke> malone is crying for a box with [ "My bugs", "New bug", ...]  links
[09:07] <dholbach> jani: *arg*
[09:07] <jani> but only know a few words and some verbs in present term :)
[09:07] <koke> sorry if I look too pessimist :)
[09:07] <dholbach> John Monoses  is your real name then?
[09:07] <jani> Ioan
[09:07] <herve> jani, could you complete the wiki page about your notary experience?
[09:07] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:08] <jani> that romanian for John and the official name on /my ID
[09:08] <koke> I think that malone will really rock, but IMHO it's in a *very* early stage
[09:08] <dholbach> koke: bradb wil gladly hear
[09:08] <jani> herve I think that wikipage is good as is, the notarial procs differ in each country I think
[09:08] <koke> is there a malone-{users,devel} list?
[09:09] <dholbach> koke: he seemed very enthusiastic about getting input from us
[09:09] <dholbach> koke: #launchpad
[09:09] <herve> jani, I'm most of all curious about how you explained the gpg thing to the notary
[09:09] <dholbach> :-))
[09:09] <jani> I did't, I gave up.
[09:09] <jani> I just dictated what to write
[09:09] <herve> I see ;-)
[09:09] <koke> dholbach: I've my output buffers full :P
[09:09] <jani> my GPG keys fingerprint is ...
[09:09] <dholbach> koke:  alt-f2  gedit
[09:10] <koke> I asked for the list to flush all them in a mail, and comment there
[09:10] <dholbach> ok... libxcb sucks, another libX*_pic-problem someone else can solve :-)
[09:10] <jani> what are you all using for irc? (gaim here but looking something better)
[09:11] <dholbach> jani: the other crack: xchat :-)
[09:11] <siretart> irssi is quite usable
[09:11] <tritium> xchat here
[09:11] <ogra> xchat indeed
[09:11] <herve> jani, xchat
[09:11] <koke> dholbach: even better, it's the best excuse to my new english blog premiere :)
[09:12] <jani> I tried both xchat and irssi but was too lazy to figure them out, gaim just works.But I'll switch soon
[09:12] <dholbach> koke: wow... so i can actually understand what you write
[09:12] <dholbach> koke: i always just looked at the pictures :-)
[09:12] <koke> xD
[09:12] <koke> like the children :P
[09:12] <dholbach> koke: and ogra will LOVE you for bugreport-via-blog
[09:12] <herve> jani, keep what you're comfortable with
[09:14] <dholbach> tritium: i moved your packages from MOTUTodo to MOTUNewPackages, alright?
[09:14] <dredg> i thought bugreport-via-blog was the preferred method?
[09:14] <tritium> dholbach, sure thing.  They were in both places anyway
[09:14] <dholbach> tritium: ah yes... now i see
[09:14] <dholbach> :-)
[09:14] <tritium> dholbach, did you see I have another one?
[09:15] <dholbach> dredg: you better beware if igra
[09:15] <dredg> dholbach: yeah, i saw :)
[09:15] <ogra> dholbach, yeah, blogs are the best report tools....
[09:15] <dredg> dholbach: (but it's alright. he won't mind)
[09:15] <dholbach> tritium: yes... some rtf-crack... cooool
[09:16] <dholbach> tritium: as soon as i get my head out of  UniverseDoesNotBuild  i'll give it a spin :-)
[09:16] <tritium> dholbach, heh, yeah, that's for gourmet :)
[09:16] <dholbach> tritium: oh... i see
[09:16] <ajmitch__> ok, what's up?
[09:16] <tritium> Right now it's not a build-depends for gourmet, but if it gets approved, I'd like to make it so
[09:16] <dholbach> ajmitch__: UniverseDoesNotBuild :-)
[09:17] <dredg> UniverseDoesNotBuild strikes me as the worst kind of evil
[09:17] <dholbach> dredg: and the list is not finished yet
[09:17] <dredg> oh dear.
[09:17] <tritium> Skeletor strikes again, or what?
[09:17] <dholbach> ajmitch__: UniverseXosdRebuildTODO for getting warm
[09:17] <ajmitch__> fun
[09:17] <dredg> dholbach: sweet zombie jesus?
[09:17] <dholbach> ahahahahhaaa :-)
[09:18] <dredg> yeah, let me get that food and caffeine thing sorted
[09:18] <dholbach> caffeeine is goood
[09:19] <ogra> heh, the cat and the discovering of the first rain....real fun....
[09:19] <dredg> well, food, caffeine and music
[09:20] <dredg> and finish off beating these 2 servers into playing nice
[09:26] <tritium> dholbach, time to meet my advisor.  See you after the CC meeting, for the MOTU meeting.
[09:26] <dholbach> see you tritium *wave*
[09:26] <tritium> bye all
[09:26] <ajmitch__> when is the CC meeting? 2200 UTC?
[09:26] <dholbach> yes
[09:27] <dredg> what a crazy time
[09:28] <ajmitch__> depends on how long CC is
[09:29] <dholbach> mysql++ done
[09:39] <herve> I don't think I can attend the motu meeting
[09:39] <zul> same here
[09:39] <herve> I can't stay up so late everynight
[09:39] <dholbach> herve: because of work tomorrow?
[09:39] <dholbach> *nod*
[09:39] <herve> dholbach, because of work all week ;-)
[09:40] <ogra> herve, you really should talk to your boss...
[09:40] <ogra> all week is a lot
[09:40] <herve> er... ?
[09:41] <herve> anyway, I'm not ready for being approved as a motu
[09:41] <ogra> tell him you have MOTU work to do...every second week should be enough
[09:41] <siretart> I think I'm really close to solve the pinfo puzzle..
[09:42] <ogra> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/243
[09:42] <ogra> siretart, ^^^
[09:42] <herve> ogra, he already saw me chatting on irc and wasn't pleased :-)
[09:42] <ogra> oops
[09:42] <ogra> herve, be more careful then....
[09:42] <ogra> herve, dont risk your job....
[09:43] <siretart> ogra: somehow the build process truncates doc/pinfo.info to 0 bytes. This does not happen in debian sarge..
[09:43] <ogra> siretart, id you look at the build logs ?
[09:43] <siretart> I'm now investigating what the cause could be, I suspect the bug not beeing in pinfo :/
[09:43] <siretart> ogra: is there a way to make dpkg-buildpackage produce build logs?
[09:44] <ogra> siretart, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[09:45] <ogra> siretart, to be precise: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pinfo/0.6.8-3/
[09:45] <siretart> yeah, thanks.
[09:46] <ogra> hmm, p.d.o seems to be more down then up recently
[09:46] <siretart> I see nothing suspicous there, but some command seems to truncate the file... still looking..
[09:48] <ogra> siretart, sid has 0.6.8-4 i think a sync will solve it
[09:48] <ogra> these build logs are still 2004
[09:49] <siretart> ogra: I'll try..
[09:50] <ogra> yeah, try to build the sid package, if it works i'll ask for a sync...
[09:51] <siretart> no, seems to have the same problem..
[09:53] <ogra> hmm
[09:53] <ogra> weird
[09:54] <ogra> damned....cant get to gnomebaker....to review it...
[09:54] <dholbach> ogra: packages.d.o is out of order as well
[09:54] <ajmitch__> nasty, need to install a bunch of kde stuff to build licq
[09:54] <ogra> dholbach, nope, only slow...
[09:54] <ogra> got it :)
[09:57] <siretart> HA! I got it
[09:57] <siretart> I don't know exactly why, but adding "texinfo" to builddepends solves the problem
[09:57] <ajmitch__> siretart: what was the problem?
[09:58] <ogra> heh
[09:58] <siretart> ajmitch__: pinfo fails in postinst, because /usr/share/info/pinfo.info.gz was truncated to 0 bytes in the build process. This does NOT happen with package texinfo installed
[09:59] <ajmitch__> ah that bug
[09:59] <dholbach> siretart: want to put the source package somewhere, so someone of us can upload it for you?
[09:59] <ajmitch__> I've made that mistake before
[09:59] <siretart> dholbach: ok, just a moment..
[09:59] <ajmitch__> because texinfo has makeinfo in it, used to generate the final info page
[09:59] <ogra> dholbach, there is a more recent version in sid
[09:59] <dholbach> ogra: oh
[09:59] <ogra> dholbach, which has the same bug it seems ;)
[10:00] <ogra> so siretart actally solved a bug for both distros, woot :)
[10:00] <siretart> I want to try it also in my fresh build pbuilder chroot ;)
[10:01] <ajmitch__> best to note that probem on the wiki, it may come up again
[10:01] <ogra> nah, submit the fix upstream, then it cant
[10:02] <ajmitch__> ogra: for other packages
[10:02] <ogra> does it occur more ften ?
[10:02] <ogra> often
[10:02] <ajmitch__> I've done it before ;)
[10:02] <ogra> ouch...thats weird...
[10:02] <ajmitch__> not really
[10:03] <ogra> 'm wondering why nobody in debian stumbled across it
[10:03] <ajmitch__> they have
[10:03] <siretart> upload target is hoary or unstable?
[10:03] <ajmitch__> but bugreports get filed per package
[10:03] <ogra> hoary
[10:03] <siretart> ok
[10:03] <ogra> ajmitch__, i mean this specific package....
[10:04] <ajmitch__> nobody uses it? :)
[10:04] <ogra> lol
[10:04] <ogra> might be
[10:04] <ajmitch__> or it was an i386 upload
[10:04] <ajmitch__> and it's only broken on other arches
[10:04] <ogra> ah, i always forget, debian allows binary uploads
[10:04] <dholbach> hm
[10:05] <dholbach> what does     [Category: none]     not ours        in    http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.amd64 mean?
[10:08] <ajmitch__> hm
[10:08] <ajmitch__> dholbach: over 200 uploads yet? ;)
[10:08] <dholbach> nearly :-)
[10:11] <ajmitch__> licq will take a couple of hours to build, I'd guess
[10:15] <siretart> dholbach: my package is at http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/pinfo/
[10:17] <lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[10:18] <dholbach> siretart: i'll look in some minutes
[10:18] <siretart> ok
[10:21] <herve> lytefyre, try #kubuntu
[10:22] <lytefyre> herve:thanks
[10:23] <herve> I must apologize in advance for the reviewer of my sip-qt3 package :-)
[10:25] <dholbach> siretart: where did you find the  pinfo  breakage?
[10:26] <siretart> dholbach: the ubuntu pinfo binary package fails in postinst, because /usr/share/info/pinfo.info is corrupt. this does happen because something in the build process truncates doc/pinfo.info. this does not happen with texinfo
[10:26] <siretart> in installed at build time
[10:26] <dholbach> yeah... but is it on any of our lists or how did you get there in the first place?
[10:27] <siretart> dholbach: I'm using pinfo quite often
[10:27] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:27] <siretart> ;)
[10:28] <siretart> but I also think that I saw a report somewhere in some lists suggesting to install the debian package (which would work)
[10:29] <dholbach> siretart: uploaded
[10:29] <siretart> w00t!
[10:30] <siretart> :)
[10:30] <dholbach> you should see it 1) http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/thread.html  and 2) http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[10:31] <siretart> so, now back to my lecture for exam.. cu!
[10:31] <siretart> ;)
[10:32] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeeee
[10:32] <dholbach> and thanks for helping out
[10:32] <herve> dholbach, another rocking guy?
[10:33] <dholbach> for sure :-)
[10:34] <herve> my rewrite of sip's rules for building two packages work
[10:34] <herve> my problem now
[10:34] <herve> ${shlibs:Depends}
[10:34] <herve> resolves to python 2.3, not 2.4
[10:35] <herve> I don't really know what to investigate
[10:35] <dholbach> hmmmmm
[10:35] <dholbach> do you have the control file somewhere?
[10:36] <herve> er... wait it
[10:36] <herve> I'm the one fubar, not the control file ;-)
[10:36] <ogra> hmm goedson isnt around...
[10:36] <herve> sorry for the noise
[10:36] <herve> but I still apologize to the reviewer in advance :-)
[10:41] <\sh> evening all
[10:41] <\sh> i solved my pygtk problem
[10:42] <herve> rock!
[10:42] <dholbach> hey \sh
[10:44] <\sh> now i fighting with the layout model of gtk
[10:45] <herve> there I won't be of any help ^^
[10:45] <ogra> yeah, thats not easy...
[10:46] <\sh> herve, problem is...1. gtk doesn't close windows like qt
[10:46] <\sh> so u have to hide and destroy the window
[10:46] <\sh> just like visual basic
[10:46] <ogra> \sh, get gazpacho, its easier to get familiar with the hbx/vbox model there
[10:46] <jani> anybody do you know some gtk+ users channel?
[10:46] <jani> I got an API question
[10:47] <ogra> hmm #pygtk ?
[10:47] <\sh> ogra: wtf is gazpacho
[10:47] <jani> well not py specific but might be ok
[10:47] <ogra> \sh, a ui design app
[10:47] <tseng> \sh: its a glade knockoff
[10:48] <\sh> ogra, compatible with gtk.glade / gnome.glade?
[10:48] <ogra> \sh, nice to see the different available pieces
[10:48] <ogra> yup
[10:49] <dholbach> #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org
[10:49] <dholbach> jani: ^--
[10:49] <jani> I entered that 30 min ago and was ignored :)
[10:49] <\sh> ogra, lets test
[10:50] <dholbach> wow
[10:50] <ogra> ?
[10:50] <dholbach> they must be sleeping
[10:50] <jani> >120 in the room and some were talking :)
[10:50] <jani> anyway
[10:50] <\sh> thats irc
[10:50] <ogra> jani, whats your porb then ?
[10:51] <ogra> prob even
[10:51] <jani> how to attach multiple accelerators
[10:51] <dholbach> ok... i take murphy before the meeting starts.... T-9m
[10:51] <jani> to an action
[10:51] <ogra> oh, CC meeting in 10 mins
[10:51] <jani> run dholbach, run!
[10:51] <ogra> jani, with action you mean a callback ?
[10:51] <tseng> oh
[10:52] <tseng> sounds "exciting"
[10:52] <jani> a gtkaction like a menu action
[10:52] <jani> specifically I want to add / as alias to Ctrl-F in evince
[10:52] <jani> I could replace it but not make both work
[10:53] <jani> at first glance gtk+ C api looks complicated
[10:53] <ogra> cant you just call the same subfunction from both ?
[10:53] <jani> I suppose I could I just did not figure out how yet
[10:54] <jani> I remember I wanted that and for some reason it was not simple
[10:54] <ogra> jani, why do we need to discuss XFCE4.2 ?
[10:55] <jani> ogra, to see if it's worth trying to get it in uni before hoary
[10:55] <jani> currently is at 4.0
[10:55] <jani> I know people wanted it but I am not sure if it's anything
[10:55] <crimsun> personally I'd rather not try and shove it in
[10:55] <jani> besides lakck of manpower
[10:55] <ogra> 3.8.18-2ubuntu1
[10:56] <jani> crimsun, yes this is what I wanted to talk about :)
[10:56] <ogra> is the current version here
[10:56] <crimsun> several people have already asked about 4.2, and I've replied to them saying it's best that we wait til after Hoary
[10:56] <jani> the whys
[10:56] <\sh> jani, 4.2 is quite nice
[10:56] <ogra> crimsun, why ?
[10:56] <crimsun> ogra: xfce4
[10:56] <jani> very nice
[10:56] <jani> and stable
[10:56] <\sh> i tried on my laptop under gentoo
[10:57] <jani> i use it in ubuntu from the os-cillation debs
[10:57] <crimsun> ogra: is there really enough time to test before 30 March?
[10:57] <ogra> crimsun, ah, ok, but still, its universe and if you guys think its stable enough i'd be urging you to get it in right away
[10:57] <jani> crimsun I suppose it's better tested than gnome 2.10 or kde 2.4
[10:57] <jani> after all 4.2 is from december
[10:57] <jani> 4.2.1.1 last week
[10:58] <jani> maintanence release
[10:58] <crimsun> well, it's stable, and it integrates well. If others think 4.2.1{.1} is worth going in, then that's cool by me.
[10:58] <ogra> crimsun, time is tight, thats why i want your Team judgement
[10:58] <dholbach> koke: you're ready?
[10:58] <jani> crimsun you'll be at MOTUMeeting?
[10:58] <crimsun> jani: yp
[10:58] <crimsun> +u
[10:58] <ogra> crimsun, ok , then lets do it...
[10:58] <crimsun> ogra: ok.
[10:58] <jani> cool than I'll try to stay awake :)
[10:58] <dholbach> wow...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda looks different
[10:58] <ogra> but lets agree it in the meeting...
[10:58] <koke> dholbach: 1 min
[10:59] <crimsun> I'll be there in 2 mins, gotta tidy something
[10:59] <koke> switchting computer :)
[10:59] <herve> I just need to clean the agenda meanwhile :-)
[10:59] <dholbach> take your time :-)
[11:00] <herve> I removed my packages from the NEW list
[11:00] <herve> it's of no concern for release hoary
[11:00] <ogra> hey the meeting starts...
[11:00] <ogra> move over to #ubunut-meeting :)
[11:01] <ogra> ah, better to #ubuntu-meeting
[11:02] <ogra> \sh, dont want to attend ?
[11:06] <\sh> ogra: hehe..moment coming
[11:07] <ogra> great :)
[11:09] <herve> no I really must sleep
[11:09] <herve> I'll have a sip-qt3 package to upload tomorrow
[11:09] <ogra> night herve
[11:10] <herve> good night all
[11:10] <jani> night herve
[11:10] <dholbach> good night herv
[11:10] <dholbach> *wave*
[11:10] <dholbach> sleep tight :-)
[11:10] <herve> jbailey, bonne nuit :-)
[11:10] <herve> thank you much all
[11:10] <herve> ++
[11:42] <koke_> dholbach: just for the record, would you do a last upload for me??
[11:42] <dholbach> no problem
[11:43] <dholbach> has it to be in this instant? :-)
[11:43] <koke_> keychain:    * Changed depend on ssh to ssh-client.
[11:43] <koke_> of course not :)
[11:43] <dholbach> ok
[11:43] <jani> koke congrats
[11:43] <koke> jani: thx
[11:45] <dholbach> hey tritium
[11:45] <tritium> hi dholbach
[11:45] <tritium> Is the CC meeting still going?
[11:45] <jani> yup
[11:45] <tritium> Great, so I'm not late :)
[11:45] <ajmitch__> still going..
[11:45] <dholbach> yes
[11:45] <tseng> they often run pretty long
[11:45] <dholbach> and koke made it
[11:45] <tseng> yes, yay for koke
[11:46] <tseng> next step, motu
[11:46] <dholbach> and Phython will soon be member too ;-)
[11:46] <ajmitch__> dholbach: in 2 weeks
[11:51] <\sh> well...i hope gnu hurd will be finished before the new debian release ,-)
[11:51] <dholbach> koke: the package at the usual place?
[11:52] <ajmitch__> \sh: I'm sure it will if you help out ;)
[11:52] <crimsun> I have to switch buildings, so I will be back online in 10 minutes. If XFce 4.2 comes up before then, then my statements above should be used.
[11:52] <ogra> yup
[11:52] <\sh> ajmitch, thx :) but I'm dancing on two weddings at the same time :)
[11:53] <koke> dholbach: yep
[11:54] <dholbach> koke: please tell elmo to whitelist your mail adress
[11:54] <dholbach> now, just tell him your mailadress :-)
[11:55] <jani> dholbach was my mail whitelisted already?
[11:55] <dholbach> talk to elmo
[11:56] <dholbach> he's there and WAITING FOR ALL OF YOU :-)
[11:56] <dholbach> on #u-devel :-)
[11:56] <ogra> haha
[11:57] <koke_> hmmm, now which's the next step?
[11:57] <ajmitch__> deposit some $ in certain named bank accounts :)
[11:58] <koke_> Oh shit! I should have noticed. Is this some kind of piramidal org.? :P
[11:58] <ajmitch__> of course :)
[11:59] <ajmitch__> how else do we get fame & fortune?
[11:59] <ogra> koke, i'll give you my account data after the meeting ;)
[12:00] <dholbach> koke_: did you ask elmo now?
[12:01] <dholbach> koke_: he will do really nasty things, if i still sponsor the upload :-)
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[12:02] <dholbach> rock
[12:02] <ogra> yeah