[12:00] <Jesterace> bob2, whatever dude chill
[12:00] <aspire> the connection is activated
[12:00] <petemc> if you install kubuntu-desktop, do you get to choose between kde and gnome when you login to gdm?
[12:00] <Brunellus> how do I get GDM to execute "startfluxbox" instead of plain-old "fluxbox"?
[12:00] <Elysium_> well, I'm not sure if it uses ethernet through usb protocal
[12:00] <apokryphos> petemc: yes
[12:00] <petemc> lovely, cheers
[12:00] <Elysium_> or some proprietary file transfer protocal
[12:00] <aspire> in place of eth0 it is usb0
[12:01] <aspire> i did modprobe usbnet to get the modules
[12:01] <spacey> petemc, you don't have to install kubuntu for that i think
[12:01] <Elysium_> that sounds ok
[12:01] <aspire> ya
[12:01] <aspire> it is ok
[12:01] <spacey> just install ubuntu and kde
[12:01] <aspire> and linux linux work
[12:01] <apokryphos> spacey: that is kubuntu :)
[12:01] <spacey> apokryphos, well you will still keep gnome
[12:01] <spacey> so
[12:01] <Elysium_> then I would say it's on the windows side
[12:01] <spacey> its both i guess
[12:01] <Elysium_> under the network properties in windows
[12:02] <aspire> what could be the problem
[12:02] <apokryphos> spacey: precisely.
[12:02] <aspire> i have noticed that it does not automatically optain an ip
[12:02] <aspire> but i can set it manualy and it connects
[12:02] <Elysium_> aspire, it wouldn't since there is no dhcp .. ou would have to manually assign it a local ip
[12:02] <aspire> it sends data but it does not recive
[12:02] <Anubis> mplayer-386:
[12:02] <Anubis>  Depends: libarts (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[12:02] <Anubis>  	libarts-alsa (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[12:02] <Anubis>  Depends: libdvdread2  but it is not installable
[12:02] <Anubis>  Depends: libvorbis0 (>=1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[12:03] <aspire> ok it i set it manualy should it work
[12:03] <Elysium_> yes
[12:03] <Elysium_> what ip addresses are you assining?
[12:03] <aspire> and about that it sends but not recive
[12:04] <aspire> 192.168.0.1win
[12:04] <hrgy> Anubis: the mplayer-586 is sent this messages too
[12:04] <yasirf> hello
[12:04] <yasirf> what is the su password for the system
[12:04] <Elysium_> aspire, that looks good too .. same subnet for linux I assume? 192.168.0.x
[12:04] <yasirf> i just installed the ubuntu 5.04 beta
[12:05] <aspire> win tells me that it send but doesent recive
[12:05] <tahorg> yasirf: I wish I knew
[12:05] <tahorg> :)
[12:05] <Anubis> yasirf, its random, you have to change it
[12:05] <Elysium_> aspire, what are you sending??
[12:05] <Elysium_> aspire, you mean you can send files?
[12:05] <aspire> do you know xp
[12:05] <yasirf> this is so dumb
[12:05] <Elysium_> aspire, unfortunately yes
[12:05] <aspire> lol
[12:05] <yasirf> the install did not ask me for root password
[12:06] <aspire> if you open a network connection then you can see activitie yes
[12:06] <yasirf> and now i can not do anything
[12:06] <Anubis> yasirf, right, its random YOU have ti chnage it
[12:06] <yasirf> i was trying to do updatedb
[12:06] <Elysium_> aspire, so you can see packets are send but nothing recieved?
[12:06] <Anubis> yasirf, sudo updatedb
[12:06] <aspire> well there i see send that keeps increasing and receiving that stays on zero
[12:07] <Anubis> yasirf, use your user password
[12:07] <aspire> Elysium_, yes
[12:07] <aspire> that mekes me think that it is a linux issue
[12:07] <yasirf> how to change the root password
[12:07] <yasirf> since i do not know the random one
[12:07] <Elysium_> aspire, usb ethernet is obviously setup correctly on the linux side since you cando linux to linux.. I would check your ip/network settings for the windows USB side again.. other than that I don't know anything else
[12:08] <syn-ack> yasirf: there is no root pass in Ubuntu
[12:08] <Anubis> syn-ack, of course there is
[12:08] <Elysium_> aspire, that doesn't explain anything.. it could just be sending packets to nowhere/oblivion
[12:08] <yasirf> yes there is
[12:08] <syn-ack> yasirf: you have to use sudo passwd root
[12:08] <Anubis> otherwise he could just use a blank passwd for root
[12:08] <thierry> yasirf: to have root privilege use sudo
[12:08] <HappyPills> Has anyone ran into "Error 12: Invalid Device Requested" when using Grub to boot windows xp? The forums came up pretty empty on that particular error =(
[12:08] <Anubis> which would not be how it works
[12:08] <aspire> Elysium_,  i see
[12:09] <aspire> still win 2 win works as well
[12:09] <syn-ack> Anubis: true, point takin.
[12:09] <phxguy> syn-ack: I doub le checked my /etc/hotplug/blacklist file and rebooted and I still get the error... says modprobe: fatal: error inserting pciehp.......... device does no exist
[12:09] <syn-ack> hrm
[12:09] <aspire> thats why i am thinking that there is some thing i need to put them at the same level
[12:09] <thierry> how do I install the xsl stylesheets for ubuntu?
[12:10] <yasirf> i am trying to how to change the root password
[12:10] <yasirf> ?
[12:10] <syn-ack> phxguy: in that case, I would consult the wiki, because I have NFI
[12:10] <Elysium_> aspire, I would suggest you look at google and linux windows usb peer to peer
[12:10] <^thehatsrule^> passwd?
[12:10] <phxguy> lol ok... well thanks anyways??/
[12:10] <aspire> Elysium_, ya been all around google
[12:11] <yasirf> no passwd is not it
[12:11] <rwabel> anyone know why under gnome I can't see special characters (umlaute) but I can see them when I'm not under X?
[12:11] <aspire> Elysium_, thanks
[12:11] <geneo93> sudo passwd root
[12:12] <yasirf> geneo93 thanks
[12:12] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to set multiple wm to be chosen from at login?
[12:12] <geneo93> yasirf:  np
[12:13] <rwabel> andreas_: just install it and it should update gdm automatically
[12:13] <andreas_> Say... XPDE for the girlfriend
[12:13] <rwabel> at least it did for me
[12:13] <mjr> rwabel, you're probably using the C/POSIX locale. Don't.
[12:13] <rwabel> I've xfve, kde and gnome
[12:13] <andrewski> uh, xfce?
[12:13] <keffo> must be
[12:13] <keffo> ;P
[12:13] <rwabel> mjr: no, I've changed, but somehow I get also errors when type locale
[12:13] <rwabel> andrewski: it's sweet
[12:13] <andreas_> rwabel: and you haven` t found it neccesary to mess with text files to make the choose menu?
[12:14] <andril> hello all
[12:14] <andrewski> rwabel: yes, but xfve is decidedly not sweet. :P
[12:14] <rwabel> andreas_: well I didn't have from them
[12:14] <mjr> rwabel, you haven't probably generated the locales; try dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:14] <aspire> Elysium_,
[12:14] <aspire> What if i dont have the protocol correct
[12:14] <andril> has anyone been able to find the Industrial theme?
[12:15] <andril> mine disappeared after upgrading to Hoary
[12:15] <rwabel> mjr: it did: Generating locales...
[12:15] <rwabel>   en_US.ISO-8859-1... done
[12:15] <rwabel>   en_US.UTF-8... done
[12:15] <rwabel>   de_CH.ISO-8859-1... done
[12:15] <rwabel>   de_CH.UTF-8... done
[12:15] <rwabel>   de_CH.UTF-8... done
[12:15] <rwabel> Generation complete.
[12:15] <rwabel> but I get error with locale
[12:15] <rwabel> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:15] <rwabel> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:15] <rwabel> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:15] <andrewski> andril: mouse or gtk or what?
[12:15] <rwabel> the rest is ok and also LC_ALL=
[12:16] <mina_linux_Tux> i got a kernel panic while runing the LiveCD how can i use MemTest , i tried to select the Memtest | .. submenu i got a text mode with same choices prompting me to choose which OS to boot using the key 'b' , i'm runinng on x86 .. may anyone answer me ?
[12:16] <rwabel> andreas: which window manager you want to install?
[12:17] <andril> the whole theme GTK & Metacity and Icons
[12:17] <rwabel> mjr: I can also choose in gdm en_US.UTF-8 or the swiss version
[12:17] <mina_linux_Tux> may anyone help me with my problem ? please
[12:18] <rwabel> sorry did never try out the live cd
[12:19] <DyGyTyL> rwabel: might wanna try getting xfonts-base and the 100dpi 75dpi packages, i dont use gnome..but just a thought
[12:19] <hazmat> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a machine without a bootable cdrm drive, its currently running an old redhat (7.2) and i have the ubuntu cd mounted... is  there anyway i can bootstrap the install process from here?
[12:19] <andrewski> hazmat: smart boot manager
[12:20] <mina_linux_Tux> rwabel: suppose  i got an error in my ram mdoules what to do install linux without chaging my ram modules ?
[12:20] <mina_linux_Tux> i got a kernel panic while runing the LiveCD how can i use MemTest , i tried to select the Memtest | .. submenu i got a text mode with same choices prompting me to choose which OS to boot using the key 'b' , i'm runinng on x86 .. may anyone answer me ?
[12:20] <andrewski> hazmat: i've never gotten it to work with my old lappy, but maybe it'll work for you. ;)
[12:20] <someguy32> hazmat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/SmartBootManagerHowto/view?searchterm=smart%20boot%20manager
[12:20] <andrewski> someguy32: :)
[12:20] <hazmat> someguy32, thanks
[12:21] <rwabel> DyGyTyL: well it's under all window manager. It happens when I start X (kde, gnome, xfce)
[12:21] <DemonTears> my ubuntu stop when i want to reboot after displaying rebooting
[12:21] <mina_linux_Tux> may anyone answer me ... ?
[12:21] <rwabel> DyGyTyL: and I've installed all this fonts and stuff
[12:21] <mina_linux_Tux> i got a kernel panic while runing the LiveCD how can i use MemTest , i tried to select the Memtest | .. submenu i got a text mode with same choices prompting me to choose which OS to boot using the key 'b' , i'm runinng on x86 .. may anyone answer me ?
[12:21] <DemonTears> can someone help me
[12:21] <andrewski> mina_linux_Tux: i believe someone said they haven't used the liveCD; neither have i.
[12:22] <rwabel> mina_linux_tux: why don't you want to change your ram?
[12:22] <mina_linux_Tux> rwabel: cause it's a laptop
[12:22] <Brian_P> hi
[12:22] <Levander> My syslog is full of "hdd: ATAPI reset complete" and "hdd: status error" messages.  hdd is my cd drive.  Any idea how to fix this?  Can't use the CD drive, when i push the eject button, the drive doesn't even open.
[12:23] <rwabel> mina_linux_tux: well I don't know if you can install it when having defect rams
[12:23] <someguy32> DemonTears: strangely, the same thing happens to me in mandrake 10.1 but only when shutting down
[12:23] <spacey> rwabel, you have to umount it before ejecting
[12:23] <saber> mina_tux: i think memtest fits on a bootdisk. check out their web page, that way you don't all of ubuntu
[12:23] <Brian_P> Can anyone give me pointers how to get my nvidia card working in Kubuntu...I would be very appreciative for the help
[12:23] <saber> load
[12:23] <mina_linux_Tux> rwabel: how to use this memtest.. i saw the man for it and i read it , but can't get how to let it work from the live cd
[12:23] <rwabel> spacey: umount what?
[12:23] <spacey> the cdrom
[12:23] <spacey> it won't eject if its mounted
[12:24] <saber> brainp: do you have the nvidia driver installed? dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[12:24] <DemonTears> someguy32, so what was the solution ?
[12:24] <rwabel> mhh what cd? don't get that
[12:24] <Brian_P> ok I will see...hold on
[12:24] <spacey> rwabel, in your cdrom drive
[12:24] <Levander> spacey: it's not mounted, but I think it's more of a problem than that
[12:24] <spacey> ah
[12:24] <spacey> wrong nick
[12:24] <spacey> lol
[12:24] <spacey> sorry
[12:24] <rwabel> spacey: mhh sorry don't follow that discussion about cdrom
[12:24] <spacey> s/rwabel/levander
[12:25] <mina_linux_Tux> saber: i know that .. but what is this menu that has this .. option "Memtest | Memory diagnostic tool "
[12:25] <Levander> spacey: u talking to me?
[12:25] <spacey> sorry rwabel, my mistake, looked wrong
[12:25] <rwabel> mina: well, don't know the memtest
[12:25] <spacey> Levander, yeah
[12:25] <rwabel> spacey: :-)
[12:25] <Levander> spacey: cool
[12:25] <Brian_P> ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.6629-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[12:25] <Brian_P> ii  nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.6629-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver devel
[12:25] <Brian_P> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6629+1     NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[12:25] <spacey> Levander, so read back:)
[12:25] <Levander> spacey: my syslog if full of reset and status errors on hdd, my cd drive
[12:25] <Levander> spacey: the cd drive is not mounted
[12:25] <mseney> second time doing a regular ubuntu haory install on a system and for some reason it's giving me /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found.
[12:25] <Levander> spacey: it just doesn't work
[12:25] <Brian_P> seems I do
[12:26] <Levander> spacey: don't know where to start to try to fix
[12:26] <spacey> Levander, yeah thats crap:)
[12:26] <Levander> spacey: what's crap?
[12:26] <spacey> that it doesn't work
[12:26] <spacey> :D
[12:26] <spacey> the errors are not a good sign
[12:26] <Levander> spacey: my bad, thought u were trying to help, :P
[12:26] <spacey> you sure the drive is not borken :)
[12:26] <spacey> broken
[12:26] <DemonTears> someguy32, are u there ?
[12:27] <Brian_P> Saber: what next
[12:27] <Levander> spacey: could be, but it worked fine till i installed ubuntu, didn't try it for first two weeks, then tried it after ubuntu install, doesn't work
[12:27] <mina_linux_Tux> no one has an answer for my question how to use .. this Memtest embeded to this ubuntu LiveCD ? //
[12:27] <Levander> spacey: just noticed syslog messages today, there are lots and lots of them
[12:27] <spacey> Levander, i did get sortlike errors for a HD, and that was not a good sign :)
[12:27] <stuNNed> hmmm anybody else's screen flickering with latest Hoary?
[12:27] <Absenth> clear
[12:27] <Levander> stuNNed: what's your refresh rate on your monitor?
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> any of you know a bit about storebrand desktop pc's? (like say Hp Vetra for example)
[12:27] <Absenth> heh.....  oops...
[12:27] <mseney> stuNNed, not on my everyday use hoary system nope
[12:28] <mseney> stuNNed, but I also didn't update today yet.
[12:28] <stuNNed> Levander: 75hz
[12:28] <Levander> black_Nightmare: just getta dell! competitive prices, better support
[12:28] <stuNNed> mseney: k thnx
[12:28] <Levander> stuNNed: try to raise it to at least 85 hz, that's minimum were human eye can't detect below
[12:28] <stuNNed> Levander: 1600x1200@75hz
[12:28] <spacey> my dell monitor has a problem with X :P
[12:28] <mseney> stuNNed, ill run a apt-get update and upgrade and see brb
[12:28] <spacey> in hoary
[12:28] <Levander> stuNNed: for 16x12, definitely need 85hz refresh
[12:28] <stuNNed> mseney: no need really but thanks
[12:28] <Brian_P> Im still not sure what to do to get my nvidia drivers working in Kubuntu, do I need to edit xorg?
[12:28] <Levander> spacey: call dell
[12:28] <someguy32> DemonTears: i still have the problem, lol
[12:29] <black_Nightmare> levander..I'm actually asking about used ones btw
[12:29] <stuNNed> Levander: so i need to have a modeline maybe cuz only can support up to 75hz
[12:29] <mina_linux_Tux> memtest memtest .. anyone knows anything about this diagnostic tool pckaged with the boot loader for ubuntu live cd ////
[12:29] <mseney> stuNNed, yeah it only updated groff
[12:29] <stuNNed> mseney: thanks mate
[12:29] <mseney> stuNNed, np.
[12:29] <Absenth> alright I admit it, I'm a convert.
[12:29] <spacey> Levander, its not dell's fault
[12:29] <DemonTears> someguy32, ok thx
[12:29] <spacey> its something in the latest x.org
[12:29] <Absenth> I don't think I'll be going back to any of the RPM based distros anytime soon.
[12:29] <Levander> stuNNed: if monitor or video card only supports 75hz, should lower resolution, if it's X config problem, good luck! i hate those
[12:29] <phxguy> syn-ack: you there???
[12:29] <DemonTears> anayone know how to solve the reboot problem in ubuntu ?
[12:29] <spacey> problem doesn't exist in warty:)
[12:30] <stuNNed> Levander: hehehe! :)
[12:30] <syn-ack> I am here.
[12:30] <Alinux> RealPlayer on amd64 ? is it possible?
[12:30] <^thehatsrule^> why not?
[12:30] <Absenth> theres something incredibly cool about being able to type "sudo apt-get install aterm" and have it work.
[12:30] <Levander> stuNNed: i thought u meant XP, but u said X with some emoticon after.  Yeah, X is outta dell's league
[12:30] <Alinux> I can't find nothing for hoary
[12:31] <phxguy> syn-ack: I just remembered something.... I had an internal pci winmodem whe i first installed ubuntu which i have since removed.. do think this could be my problem with modprobe???
[12:31] <syn-ack> phxguy: I dont think so. not at all. Thats hardware, it wouldnt affect anything thats been removed
[12:31] <mina_linux_Tux> i tried the following : pressing Escape at the prompt when the system is booting, and selecting the "memory test" option.
[12:32] <phxguy> hmmm im on th ewiki page but can't seem to find anything
[12:32] <mina_linux_Tux> and nothing happend
[12:32] <mina_linux_Tux> pressing Escape at the prompt when the system is booting, and selecting the "memory test" option.
[12:32] <Brian_P> Hi, I've asked about four times for help here, and hate to be a nuisance, but I really need some advice about getting my nvidia card working with 3d.  Is there anyone here who may know how to do this?  I have the driver installed, what next?
[12:32] <Alinux> there are lot of programs that can't work on amd 64 :\
[12:32] <syn-ack> phxguy: Hotplug would simply not see it and not load any accosiated with it.
[12:32] <Alinux> I need RealPlayer :/
[12:32] <syn-ack> Alinux: yes, there is
[12:32] <phxguy> ah okay syn-ack
[12:32] <zenrox> alindeman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for realplayer set up
[12:32] <ca_ca> http://real.com/linux
[12:32] <Alinux> syn-ack, can you tell me link or something else
[12:32] <phxguy> i didn't get this error when i first started with ubuntu
[12:32] <Absenth> Brian_P, have you installed the driver via Synaptic?
[12:33] <Alinux> yes i know but doesn't works!
[12:33] <Brian_P> Absenth: yes nvidia-glx
[12:33] <syn-ack> Alinux: I was agreeing with is is all
[12:33] <Absenth> Brian_P, it was pretty cut and dry for me.  Choose the package, reboot, and bang.... accellerated 3d.
[12:33] <Absenth> Brian_P, so what kinds of problems are you having?
[12:33] <mina_linux_Tux> if you no one knows anything about what i'm asking about , at least guide or point me to where i can get help ... ?
[12:33] <Brian_P> ok thanks, I havent rebooted yet, I will try
[12:33] <mina_linux_Tux> anyone answer
[12:33] <saber> brain_p: ensure the X server loads the nvidia driver. some good paths might be editing your XF86Config file.
[12:33] <stuNNed> Levander: going to try a modeline see what happens :D
[12:33] <zenrox> Alinux,  how is it not worken
[12:34] <saber> I haven't done it in a while, but check out the howto it should tell you pretty quickly
[12:34] <Alinux> so peaople? works or not?
[12:34] <syn-ack> Alinux: A *lot* works with AMD64 and then again there is a lot which doesnt
[12:34] <Alinux> ok ...so please I need RealPlayer.
[12:34] <syn-ack> Alinux: Just grab the iso for AMD64 from the site and install it
[12:34] <Alinux> something that can read rpm ulrs.
[12:34] <ca_ca> i gif you the link already .Alinux
[12:35] <syn-ack> Alinux: not gonna happen unless they have 64 bit port
[12:35] <ca_ca> =give
[12:35] <Alinux> syn-ack, tell me the link please?
[12:35] <Alinux> http://real.com/linux
[12:35] <mina_linux_Tux> heloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:35] <syn-ack> Alinux: How in the hell would I know? I cant stand anything .rm
[12:35] <ca_ca> yep
[12:35] <mina_linux_Tux> anyonw answerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr me
[12:35] <syn-ack> or .ra for that matter.
[12:35] <DemonTears> i got that message on boot "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:1f.3"
[12:35] <Alinux> ok so I can install amd 64 version from this site ?http://real.com/linux
[12:35] <DemonTears> anyone know what is ?
[12:35] <Levander> stuNNed: first try the Computer -> Screen Resolution dialog to see if you can just change it through the GUI.  If not, u need a modeline
[12:36] <andrewski> mina_linux_Tux: that's very annoying.  i assume someone would help if they could.
[12:36] <Alinux> sorry for my english.
[12:36] <ca_ca> click the link,Alinux
[12:36] <syn-ack> Alinux: what you thought about looking to see if they have an AMD64 port?
[12:36] <syn-ack> Alinux: Come on, its not rocket science.
[12:36] <Alinux> I've alredy installed with ubuntu RealPlayer.bin
[12:36] <stuNNed> Levander: yes, highest i can go is 75, with using gtf and generating a modeline i noticed it says *desired* frequency this means i can set it at 85 only if monitor can handle 75, if this makes sense
[12:36] <Alinux> folowing the howto.
[12:37] <Alinux> but it doesn't works.
[12:37] <Levander> stuNNed: no, u make no sense, retry?
[12:37] <syn-ack> Alinux: then you dont have an AMD 64 port.
[12:37] <Levander> stuNNed: what mean can set it at 85 only if monitor can handle 75?  think can only set it at 85 if monitor can handle 85
[12:38] <Alinux> so it means that I must wait :\
[12:38] <Alinux> heh
[12:38] <black_Nightmare> brb for supper
[12:38] <Alinux> cause there is no ports for amd64...onlu .bin file and rpm :/
[12:39] <stuNNed> Levander: tricky when it says *desired* what's the benefit of a modeline anyways?  better talk to the monitor?
[12:39] <critter> Anyone know a easy way to kill a running prosess
[12:39] <will> how do i get those lovely mouse pointers back which i had in warty?
[12:39] <critter> I installed Limewire and it is stuck at the splash screen
[12:39] <ca_ca> install gcursur
[12:39] <Absenth> critter killall limewire
[12:39] <confrey> how can I use web admin tool to configure cups?
[12:39] <ca_ca> gcursor
[12:39] <Absenth> critter or whatever it's called.
[12:39] <critter> I dont want to kill the chat
[12:40] <critter> hmm
[12:40] <geneo93> critter:  pidof proc  then kill number
[12:40] <critter> kill splash maybe
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> anyone got vmware workstation 5 RC working on an amd64 system?
[12:40] <critter> ill try it brb
[12:40] <mseney> hrmm well now after doing $sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, killing the gdm process and restarting it it's working. :)
[12:40] <Levander> stuNNed: the modeline tells the software what performance specs your hardware (video card and monitor can handle).  MS Windows has the same thing, but Windows ships with a huge database of these.  The hardware manufacturers ship these to Microsoft and they make sure they work.  Not as many use X-Windows, so the manufacturers don't bother.  You gotta gather yourself.
[12:40] <geneo93> no you need pid
[12:41] <KarlosII> anyone having issues with firefox loading?
[12:42] <deville_75> hi i need some help with installing Java
[12:42] <rapha_> HAAAH!
[12:42] <rapha_> Hah!
[12:42] <rapha_> Got it!
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[12:42] <Alinux> syn-ack, so no RealPlayer :/
[12:42] <KarlosII> ?
[12:42] <deville_75> i get the plugin at Firefox and it gives me a .bin file
[12:42] <syn-ack> Alinux: not if they dont have a port
[12:43] <deville_75> what do i do witht that?
[12:43] <Alinux> ok... only waiting ...
[12:43] <rapha_> crimsun: Sound's working! You have to DISable the IEC958 Capture Monitor AND anything that says "Surround". Then it works!
[12:44] <Alinux> syn-ack, thanks for your answers :D
[12:44] <syn-ack> Alinux: no prob
[12:45] <stuNNed> Levander: ok i need a bit of help can i pastebin something and you have a look at it?
[12:45] <Brian_P> after updating my Kubuntu system and setting root password, my kynaptic no longer works...can anyone help me with this?
[12:46] <Riddell> Brian_P: don't use your root password, use your user password
[12:46] <Levander> stuNNed: i'm back, i'll look at it, but i don't know X config very well
[12:46] <KarlosII> anyone having issues with firefox loading?
[12:46] <Brian_P> Riddell, user password craps out too
[12:46] <stuNNed> Levander: does this look right -> http://pastebin.com/261139
[12:46] <Levander> KarlosII: u've tried running firefox from command line to see what the error is?
[12:47] <KarlosII> levander no ouput of error
[12:47] <rapha_> Btw what are you guys using to watch TV?
[12:47] <geneo93> question  why does hoary use python 2.3 and 2.4
[12:48] <Brian_P> did I make a mistake to set a root password?  Kynaptic is dead now
[12:48] <KarlosII> Levander, if I do this "firefox --" it opens but won't for many other options, and I've tried complete removal and reinstall!!
[12:48] <geneo93> try your own passwd
[12:49] <Levander> stuNNed: no idea, i looked at my XF86Config-4.  My monitor "section" doesn't even have a modeline, sorry.
[12:49] <stuNNed> Levander: no biggie thanks
[12:49] <Brian_P> Geneo, I already said that I tried that, it doesn't work with either
[12:49] <xelizer> hi all
[12:49] <ca_ca> gene93, sudo kynaptic
[12:49] <InitMass> if i want the computer to shut down after 1 h is this the command then 'sleep 3600 && halt' ?
[12:49] <Levander> KarlosII: what happens if u just type firefox at the command line?  what gets printed out on the terminal
[12:50] <geneo93> Brian_P:  sudo passwd root
[12:50] <Levander> stuNNed: weren't modelines done away with at some point during the development of X-Windows?  Not sure if I remember that or not.
[12:50] <Levander> InitMass: there's a command line option to shutdown I think.  You've checked "man shutdown"?
[12:50] <Brian_P> Gen: it works from terminal that way...thankx
[12:51] <geneo93> Levander:  nothing
[12:51] <InitMass> Levander, but at a special time
[12:51] <InitMass> Levander, specific time
[12:51] <xelizer> if anyone could help me it'd be great, here's my problem: i'm on ubuntu live and "Music Player" is crashing when it tries to connect to a radio station
[12:52] <syn-ack> xelizer: because there is no mp3 support by defualt
[12:52] <xelizer> oh
[12:52] <Levander> InitMass: then i think your guess is the best
[12:52] <geneo93> i'm gone
[12:52] <xelizer> also, if I were to install Ubuntu on my computer, would all my hardware need linux-specific drivers?
[12:53] <stuNNed> Levander: sounds famliliar
[12:53] <xelizer> so I'd need to reinstall my speaker/sound card/gfx etc
[12:53] <HappyPills> Has anyone here ever ran into an 'Error 12: Invalid Device Requested' when trying to boot to a windows xp partition (hda,4) on a logical partition? using Grub?
[12:53] <Agrajag> xelizer: uh, as opposed to Windows drivers? of course
[12:53] <Agrajag> xelizer: the linux kernel supports almost everything
[12:53] <odie5533> Can I mount folders as drives for organization?
[12:53] <Levander> fuck, i figured out geneo93's problem, but he left!!!
[12:53] <Agrajag> all you should need to do is install nvidia's or ati's drivers
[12:54] <xelizer> but it will not be "plug and play", correct
[12:54] <Brian_P> Is the kmenuedit dead in Kubuntu??? Why ???
[12:54] <Agrajag> which should take 2 minutes
[12:54] <Agrajag> xelizer: of course it will
[12:54] <apokryphos> Brian_P: no, it's not.
[12:54] <Agrajag> xelizer: this isn't 1993
[12:54] <xelizer> lol, I don't know :P im 100% linux noob
[12:54] <Levander> how do u do a whois to see if someone's still on the irc server, just not on this channel?
[12:54] <apokryphos> Brian_P: however, you might have to run it via Alt + F2
[12:54] <Brian_P> thanks
[12:54] <black_Nightmare> back
[12:54] <stuNNed> Levander: i'm stuck at 1600x1200@75hz it's a crappy dell monitor so hopefully will replace soon with something a little more sturdy :)
[12:54] <Agrajag> xelizer: the ubuntu install will take you 30 minutes and unless you have some REALLY wierd hardware everything will work
[12:55] <xelizer> well the only thing setting me back from installing is that I will have to mess with partitions
[12:55] <Agrajag> and for 3d acceleration, you just need to install the nvidia or ati drivers, it's easy to do
[12:55] <Brian_P> apokryphos:  That worked
[12:55] <xelizer> i have 2x 80gb SATAs @ Raid 0, will that be a problem?
[12:55] <Agrajag> hardware raid?
[12:55] <Levander> stuNNed: look up the specs on the monitor, it might be your video card.  I"m guessing (blindly, for what I remember) that the max refresh is because of the video card.  It's not an issue with monitors (I think)
[12:55] <syn-ack> xelizer: no
[12:55] <apokryphos> Brian_P: It's a known issue; they're working on it, if not done already.
[12:55] <xelizer> ummm..not sure
[12:56] <xelizer> k thx syn-ack, will I have to reinstall windows?
[12:56] <Brian_P> I just downloaded and installed Kubuntu 20 minutes ago
[12:56] <xelizer> or can I just do a manual partition, like it says in the FAQ (i think)
[12:56] <apokryphos> Brian_P: I should note that #kubuntu exists :)
[12:56] <Brian_P> ok...thanks will go there
[12:58] <DsOft> hiya
[12:58] <black_Nightmare> hey dsoft
[12:59] <DsOft> i have one problem, at the installation, it dont ask me for root password, there is one by default?
[12:59] <Levander> DsOft: u use your user's password to run sudo
[12:59] <Levander> DsOft: root is turned off by default in ubuntu
[12:59] <DsOft> lol
[12:59] <Levander> DsOft: understand??
[12:59] <DsOft> yep
[01:00] <DsOft> and it dont like me xD
[01:00] <JDahl> Isn't it possible to read news in Evolution?
[01:00] <Levander> DsOft: there are pages on ubuntulinux.org about why they did that
[01:00] <DsOft> i dont want to sudo all
[01:00] <Levander> DsOft: well, the pages about that on the web site tell u how to enable the root user if u want, but i'd never done sudo before ubuntu either, it works a lot better than i thought, and it's a *lot* safer to do things that way.
[01:01] <DsOft> ok, i will seek the pages
[01:01] <artnay> Hmh, very annoying bug indeed. Does anybody else have problems with wnck-applet and gnome-panel?
[01:01] <flame> join #phpmelb
[01:01] <Levander> DsOft: google "sudo site:ubuntulinux.org" should find it pretty fast
[01:02] <artnay> Can't find anything similiar from Gnome Bugzilla or Ubuntu forum.
[01:02] <JDahl> Let me ask differently then, what client do Evolution users here use to read Usenet?
[01:03] <ca_ca> groups.google.com
[01:03] <DsOft> oki, it was easy
[01:03] <DsOft> sudo passwd root
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> any of you know where the ubuntu software/lib download page was again?
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> I don't seem to be able to find it again now lol
[01:04] <JDahl> oh.. I found it - you just have to create a regular email account, then you can choose Usenet
[01:04] <artnay> wnck-applet seems to be the problem here. it locks gnome-panel right after halfway the "add panel" menu, that's strange.
[01:04] <DsOft> sorry, its my first debian touch, im from gentoo, where can i set the mirrors for apt?
[01:04] <SadHatter> In Ubuntu, how do you make right click on caption roll up windows while leaving double click maximizing?
[01:05] <TongMaster> DsOft, in the backyard, facing towards the Sun for maximum effect.
[01:05] <black_Nightmare> lol
[01:05] <black_Nightmare> tong...not that.... download mirrors :)
[01:06] <Levander> SadHatter: check Computer -> Keyboard Shortcuts dialog
[01:06] <DsOft> lmao
[01:06] <DsOft> where is apt config file?
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> so anyone know about my question or not quite so?
[01:06] <Levander> DsOft: check /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:06] <SadHatter> Ok, I will once I boot back to Ubuntu.
[01:06] <Levander> black_Nightmare: check ubuntulinux.org
[01:07] <DsOft> thx
[01:08] <critter> If anone has ever installed LimeWire and knows how to uninstall it plz let me know
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> is there an rc.local equivilent?
[01:08] <DsOft> black_Nightmare look at gnome config tool
[01:08] <black_Nightmare> levander..I meant the softwares -- not the distro itself
[01:09] <SadHatter> Also, after I get Nautilus to browse folders in the same window, how do I customize the toolbar? I saw that you can hide/show the location bar and stuff like that, but I don't see where I can add/remove buttons from the toolbar and how to relocate it.
[01:09] <black_Nightmare> oh nevermind finally found it..jeeze...it was right under the wiki pages... hrm...
[01:11] <Levander> SadHatter: right click on the icon on the toolbar you want to move
[01:11] <Levander> SadHatter: have to "unlock" things to move them
[01:11] <DsOft> there is an java sun jre instaler from apt-get or i should do it manually?
[01:13] <critter> I installed LimeWIre from the ubutu http://ubuntuguide.org/.. But no info on how to remove it. Anyone know ?
[01:13] <^thehatsrule^> by apt-get?
[01:13] <SadHatter> Levander: Thanks.
[01:13] <Levander> DsOft: pretty sure most do it manually.  Ubuntu is strict about thinks that aren't GPL'd.  Like no software for MP3's sometimes.  Check ubuntuguide.org for quick instructions
[01:13] <^thehatsrule^> SadHatter! we are kin are we not?
[01:13] <critter> No "apt-get"
[01:13] <ca_ca> apt-get remove
[01:13] <^thehatsrule^> then what?
[01:14] <critter> tried that
[01:14] <^thehatsrule^> maybe you should search all instances of limewire, then delete manually
[01:14] <ca_ca> in synptic
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if there's umm.. something like to view multiply picture formats...able to resave them...zooms...and perhaps anything else (basic editor tools optional too)?
[01:14] <critter> Tried that to Wont let me using file Browser
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> and simple to use too maybe? :p
[01:15] <ca_ca> gwenview,black_Nightmare
[01:15] <akk> black_Nightmare: From the cmdline, imagemagick
[01:15] <bob2> black_Nightmare: gthumb is pretty good
[01:16] <akk> For non-cmdline stuff I use gimp.
[01:16] <SadHatter> And another question: It's obvious that I'm new to Linux (no?), so I was just wondering, should I bother to fully customize and set up the new preview version, because I will be able to simply "upgrade" once the final 5.04 comes out in April, or will I have to reinstall and so I shouldn't bother to fully set it up just yet?
[01:16] <apokryphos> SadHatter: just upgrade
[01:17] <apokryphos> On such Debian-based systems, you *never* have to reinstall
[01:17] <black_Nightmare> thanks ca_ca
[01:17] <ca_ca> :) black_
[01:17] <black_Nightmare> just trying piece together idea of what I'll have to apt-get when I finally get my pc together with ubuntu installed on it :p
[01:18] <SadHatter> apokryphos: Wonderful! Thanks.
[01:18] <black_Nightmare> oh..umm...whats [if there is one]  the default internet browser(s) in ubuntu?
[01:18] <apokryphos> black_Nightmare: anything kde ;-)
[01:18] <tahorg> black_Nightmare: might be epiphany
[01:18] <black_Nightmare> whats epiphany??? lol
[01:18] <ca_ca> sudo apt-get kde-core
[01:18] <TommyKLG> hey guys, i really need your help. it's driving me nuts
[01:18] <tahorg> black_Nightmare: a browser
[01:19] <apokryphos> ca_ca: or even better sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> tah...oh ok..never even heard of that name...so go figure
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> ty
[01:19] <ca_ca> epiphany-browser
[01:19] <TommyKLG> i've got a seg. fault with xmms. don't know how to handle it
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> so I wouldn't have to download a browser unless I had different preference - right?
[01:19] <ca_ca> yep
[01:19] <tahorg> black_Nightmare: Application-> Internet -> Epiphany Web Browser
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> ok..various games...epiphany....gwenview....qemu....hm guess thats all I'll be needing
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> only missing part: finding where I put my mointor for the pc now..heh
[01:20] <SadHatter> And one last question (yes, only one more... I think): Uptill now I was just looking around Ubuntu through the LiveCD and I fell in love. Now that I'm going to intall it on my hard drive, how much space should I set aside for it? Should I just make a single FAT32 partition for it? Should I just leave however much space unformated and let the installer format it?
[01:20] <mastergoon> is there any easy way to transform a debian unstable install into ubuntu hoary?
[01:21] <tahorg> black_Nightmare: did you see what I've written ?
[01:21] <DsOft> its not good to use fat32 to install linux
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> tah...yeah I did
[01:21] <DsOft> u should use ext3
[01:21] <SadHatter> Will the installer partition unallocated space and format it to ext3?
[01:22] <tahorg> SadHatter: if you tell him to do so
[01:22] <SadHatter> Great.
[01:22] <DsOft> if all hd is partitioned, u should use througth win partition magic to make some free space
[01:22] <SadHatter> So how much space should I leave unallocated?
[01:22] <black_Nightmare> umm full installion is 1.8gb I think?
[01:23] <tahorg> SadHatter: to use everyday or just to give it a try ?
[01:23] <black_Nightmare> probably at least 2gb on hd or more
[01:23] <DsOft> u should add a bit for swap
[01:23] <Absenth> does anyone have a howto for setting up nfs on Hoary?
[01:23] <tahorg> Absenth: server or client ?
[01:23] <black_Nightmare> dsoft..like I thought too
[01:23] <SadHatter> Well hopefully for everyday use, but for now, to give it a try.
[01:23] <akk> Hmm, the hoary installer set my user password wrong and wouldn't let me log in.
[01:23] <Absenth> tahorg, server.
[01:23] <akk> I had to ctl-alt-F2 and log in as root to fix it.
[01:23] <tahorg> SadHatter: 5GB
[01:23] <Dillweed> mastergoon: might be easier to just clean install
[01:23] <tahorg> Absenth: get an howto for debian
[01:24] <DsOft> akk, i think it didnt set up root password
[01:24] <Absenth> tahorg, will do, thanks.
[01:24] <tahorg> Absenth: it's the same
[01:24] <DsOft> in user account u shoull do sudo passwd root
[01:24] <akk> DsOft: My root password was right, but it wouldn't let me log in with that from the X screen.
[01:24] <KriegGoD> hello, i've downloaded Ubuntu 4.10 and booted the cd. it gets to the point where it loads the modules, then it stops doing anything
[01:24] <KriegGoD> can anyone help ?
[01:24] <KriegGoD> the keyboard locked up as well
[01:25] <SadHatter> Also, I have a partition for swapfiles in windows that's twice the size of my RAM. Will I be able to tell windows to delete its swap files when logged out of and make use of it for swap files in ubuntu? Where should I look in ubuntu to change the location of swap files?
[01:25] <DsOft> maybe u cant use X-windows in root account
[01:25] <mastergoon> Dillweed, ok, thanks
[01:25] <DsOft> not too much distros had able that
[01:25] <tahorg> Absenth: but for a quick and dirty install
[01:25] <akk> DsOft: Yeah, but it's kind of a problem if it didn't set my user password correctly either.
[01:25] <Absenth> tahorg I found one.
[01:25] <Jesterace> SadHatter, you'll likely have to make a new swap partition i doubt ubuntu and win can share considering windows file types
[01:26] <Absenth> tahorg: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSServerHOWTOUbuntu
[01:26] <tahorg> Absenth: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server && echo "/path/to/share *(ro,sync)" >> /etc/exports && portmap restart
[01:26] <DsOft> u cant set up a new passwd with sudo passwd root?
[01:26] <akk> DsOft: It's hard to set up anything without first logging in.  I couldn't log in except from the ctl-alt-f2 console.
[01:26] <DsOft> on console
[01:27] <DsOft> u are at user account?
[01:27] <tahorg> Absenth: you might need to restart nfs-kernel-server too
[01:27] <DsOft> it ask u to log, log in as normal user
[01:27] <akk> DsOft: It wouldn't let me log in as the user account.  It didn't set the password correctly during install.
[01:27] <DsOft> i thought it was the root passed
[01:27] <DsOft> root passw
[01:28] <DsOft> if user passwd isnt set fine, u should reinstall
[01:28] <Absenth> Absenth, how does one restart the nfs-kernel-server?
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> brb for some time
[01:28] <DsOft> not user and root accounts, big problem
[01:28] <akk> DsOft: I just got through my second install, I'd really rather not reinstall a third time.
[01:28] <tahorg> Absenth: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
[01:28] <tahorg> Absenth: the same for portmap
[01:29] <marcin_ant> hi
[01:29] <Absenth> tahorg, many thanks again....
[01:29] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to share printer between two ubuntu boxes?
[01:29] <DsOft> its not ubuntu problem if u dont type fine the password (at installer config, or after, loging)
[01:29] <tahorg> Absenth: you're welcome ;)
[01:30] <akk> I typed it twice.  I'm pretty sure I typed it right (I used my own name, it's just a temp account)
[01:30] <DsOft> not MAY BLOCK set up?
[01:30] <Absenth> tahorg, getting LTSP set up on the other hoary machine.  nfs "was" one of the missing prereqs :)
[01:30] <KriegGoD> can someone please help me? im trying to install Ubuntu 4.10 but after it detects and loads the modules for the cdrom, the install stop and everything locks up
[01:31] <critter> Got Limewire uninstalled . Hell yea woo hoooo
[01:31] <DsOft> well, there is no fix for that, only reinstall, i think
[01:31] <PacoBCN> why 4.10?
[01:31] <critter> Simple as hell to
[01:31] <PacoBCN> go for 5.04, dude
[01:32] <PacoBCN> critter, Limewire takes much more resources than gtk-gnutella
[01:32] <KriegGoD> if it's not stable im not using it
[01:32] <critter> I was just tying it
[01:32] <DsOft> if there is a really new brand PC, maybe 4.10 dont have correct modules
[01:32] <tahorg> Absenth: *ouch* you're going to have harder problems than setting up a nfs server
[01:32] <critter>  Now got rid of it
[01:32] <PacoBCN> KriegGoD, in some weeks your stable will be obsolete
[01:32] <DsOft> or maybe cdrom is broken....
[01:32] <tahorg> PXE boot for example :)
[01:32] <PacoBCN> remember, release times for Ubuntu are different from other distros
[01:33] <KriegGoD> yea once the new version comes out i will use it. but for now i just want to get this installed
[01:33] <KriegGoD> "use 5.04" is not a valid answer to why 4.10 wont even install
[01:33] <PacoBCN> KriegGoD, definitely there are many improvements on installation
[01:33] <critter> All I did was Drop the uninstall file into the term. Hit enter and boom brought up gui uninstaller
[01:33] <DsOft> where is rc.conf here?
[01:34] <KriegGoD> well then back to Slackware i go
[01:34] <ca_ca> KriegGod,try cdwr
[01:34] <tahorg> ahah
[01:34] <tahorg> I love 'slackers'
[01:34] <PacoBCN> honestly I find much more stable hoary than warty now
[01:34] <tahorg> so openminded
[01:34] <DsOft> KriegGod we didnt said that, i just said that maybe if ur pc is too new....
[01:34] <critter> Hell tried everthing else . Gave that a try and it worked what the hell
[01:35] <tahorg> DsOft: he's already far away
[01:35] <DsOft> ok, i see
[01:35] <Absenth> tahorg, heh, I run 9 ltsp servers currently running on RH8.  just learning the specifics of Ubuntu to make the two play well together
[01:35] <DsOft> well, slackware dont like me, i prefer gentoo
[01:35] <DsOft> where is rc.conf here?
[01:36] <tahorg> Absenth: using netboot ?
[01:36] <Absenth> tahorg, etherboot yeah.
[01:36] <critter> PacoBCN I guess gtk-gnutella is in synaptic??
[01:36] <Yldthing> put on ubuntu last night.  seems pretty good so far; i like apt-get and synaptic more than yum
[01:36] <PacoBCN> critter, yes
[01:36] <tahorg> Absenth: ok then, I thought you were starting from scratch
[01:36] <critter> Cool
[01:36] <Absenth> tahorg, although a large portion of what needs to happen is done by our stupid win2k dhcp server :/
[01:37] <PacoBCN> critter, I'm just telling you because I found that all java apps take a lot of resources
[01:37] <tahorg> Absenth: it's easy to set it up on ubuntu
[01:37] <someguy32> if i install kde-base/core with ubuntu, will it truly be the same as kubuntu? i'm a kde user, but i would like to give gnome a try.
[01:37] <DsOft> anyone knows what is the Hz of an standar 19" CRT monitor?
[01:37] <critter> Ill give it a try
[01:37] <tahorg> Absenth: apt-get install dhcpd && vi /etc/dhcpd.conf
[01:37] <Yldthing> heh ubuntu has been so easy so far
[01:37] <DsOft> not exactly, read  kubuntu posts
[01:37] <Absenth> tahorg, I can't run an ubuntu dhcpd, we'll break AD :(
[01:38] <DsOft> apt-get install kubuntu-base or something like this
[01:38] <tahorg> Absenth: AD ?
[01:38] <Absenth> Active Directory.
[01:38] <tahorg> ok
[01:38] <tahorg> :)
[01:38] <apokryphos> someguy32: see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[01:38] <Trixisity> What's a good Yahoo chat client to use?
[01:39] <Yldthing> i use gaim for everything except irc
[01:39] <Trixisity> but you can't enter yahoo chat rooms with gaim
[01:39] <Yldthing> oh?
[01:39] <Yldthing> wasn't aware of that
[01:40] <Fackamato> How do I make the computer suspend to ram or disk?
[01:40] <Fackamato> I don't have those options in the "log out" menu
[01:40] <hawke> Fackamato: look at /etc/default/acpi-support
[01:40] <hawke> Fackamato: or google for "hoarypm"
[01:40] <Fackamato> ah
[01:41] <Fackamato> thanks
[01:41] <someguy32> apokryphos: thanks for the link
[01:41] <apokryphos> someguy32: should answer all those Qs. :)
[01:42] <someguy32> btw, how does one pronounce 'ubuntu'... is it yoo-boon-too?
[01:42] <DsOft> how can i reset xorg without reloging?
[01:42] <Absenth> oh, boon, too, if you ask me.
[01:42] <Absenth> or ooh boon too,
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> ooh boon too
[01:43] <geneo93> ctrl alt backspace
[01:43] <yasirf> hello
[01:43] <DsOft> and then?
[01:43] <DsOft> gdm?
[01:44] <DsOft> or startx
[01:44] <DsOft> ?
[01:44] <yasirf> does ant one know a site like rpmfind.net for ubuntu?
[01:44] <DsOft> apt-get search
[01:44] <DsOft> xDD
[01:44] <BigIslandVegan> i think it's ooh bun too
[01:44] <BigIslandVegan> :-)
[01:44] <yasirf> i wanted a gui for apt
[01:44] <DyGyTyL> screw rpms.. convert them to .deb's with alien
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> DyGyTyL: not really a good idea
[01:44] <DyGyTyL> no?
[01:44] <DsOft> search at system admin tools Synaptic
[01:45] <DsOft> por apt-get forntend
[01:45] <DsOft> frontend
[01:45] <DyGyTyL> aliens worked every time for me so far hehe
[01:45] <Redwraith111> hey guys
[01:45] <DsOft> i mean menu system//admin tools/synaptic
[01:45] <Redwraith111> any idea why x wont load up again after i log off and leave the computer for an hour or so
[01:45] <bluefoxicy> you know
[01:45] <bluefoxicy> I hate to admit it
[01:46] <bluefoxicy> but the WinXP new menu layout for the start menu is damn good.
[01:46] <bluefoxicy> at least one GUI designer at MS has a brain and more than 40 braincells.
[01:46] <DsOft> acpi fault on your motherboard, maybe Redwraith111
[01:46] <Redwraith111> the monitor just stays black
[01:46] <Redwraith111> but like a lit up black
[01:46] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth or mac on linux?
[01:46] <Redwraith111> you know what i mean
[01:46] <Redwraith111> how can i fix that
[01:46] <Redwraith111> just go into bious
[01:46] <DsOft> bluetooth or mac on linux?
[01:46] <Fackamato> now we're gonna try hibernation
[01:46] <Fackamato> wish me luck ;P
[01:46] <DyGyTyL> use ththeres a window maker that looks like winxp
[01:47] <BigIslandVegan> either one, i could use help with
[01:47] <DsOft> it should get fixed updating system (or kernel)
[01:47] <Fackamato> that didn't go so wel
[01:48] <BigIslandVegan> primarily interested in bluetooth, since there is no options for my wireless card in the near future, i'd like to get online through the phone - bluetooth
[01:48] <DsOft> bluefoxicy u should test enlightenment too feel the X power
[01:48] <DyGyTyL> E is boggy:p
[01:48] <Fackamato> /etc/acpi/prepare.sh: line 38: cardctl: command not found
[01:48] <DsOft> bluetooth is supported by 2 years
[01:48] <Fackamato> how do I get cardctl ;O'
[01:48] <DsOft> 2 years ago, i mean
[01:48] <DsOft> sorry my english is a bit bad
[01:49] <Absenth> hey I have a quick question.....  is it possible to upgrade distros from CLI on anything non debian based...  Ie.  apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade.  but using rpm or yum?
[01:49] <yasirf> is there a gui for apt?  i know in redhat apt you can choose what programs you want to install and stufflike that
[01:49] <BigIslandVegan> yes, i just don't know how to make it work
[01:49] <BigIslandVegan> i got the bluez stuff
[01:49] <DsOft> u should search "bluetooth on debian" for more info at www.google.es or www.debian.org
[01:49] <Fackamato> it came with pcmcia, nm
[01:49] <BigIslandVegan> yeah, i looked on google, but not google.es
[01:49] <DsOft> sorry
[01:50] <geneo93> yasirf:  yes synaptic
[01:50] <DsOft> www.google.com
[01:50] <BigIslandVegan> ok
[01:50] <yasirf> oh ok
[01:50] <yasirf> i click add remove programs
[01:50] <DsOft> and nothing at www.debian.org?
[01:50] <BigIslandVegan> i will look again
[01:50] <yasirf> and it did not look like red hat apt
[01:50] <yasirf> so that is why i am asking
[01:50] <DsOft> that is not red hat yasirf
[01:50] <yasirf> will use that other program next time
[01:50] <DsOft> exe synaptic
[01:51] <DsOft> right button on packet to see the options
[01:51] <DsOft> (selecc, select for uninstall, etc....)
[01:51] <yasirf> oh ok
[01:51] <DsOft> and then click on apply
[01:51] <DsOft> to start the job
[01:52] <DsOft> u can do many operations at same time
[01:52] <AcidWolf> i judt got hoary offline and im about to reinstall in place of warty just wanted to check something when burning iso's in Ubuntu all i need to do is find the haory iso and then right click and write to cd
[01:52] <Pointwood> I just upgraded to hoary - where have they put synaptic?
[01:52] <AcidWolf> its now being writtren as a bin image
[01:52] <DsOft> system//admin
[01:52] <AcidWolf> written*
[01:53] <DsOft> or sudo synaptics at console
[01:53] <geneo93> just type it in terminal
[01:53] <DsOft> well, i have to go, thx for all. Cya, take care
[01:53] <jdub> Pointwood: System > Administration > Synaptic...
[01:53] <BigIslandVegan> have fun
[01:53] <catela> ok... so what driver do i need to run kismet on my iBook
[01:53] <catela> i thought it was already installed on it
[01:53] <Pointwood> jdub: it's not there...
[01:54] <geneo93> konsole is so much better
[01:55] <ca_ca> Pointwood install it again
[01:55] <AcidWolf> bbl
[01:55] <Pointwood> doing that ATM
[01:55] <Pointwood> wonder why it was removed
[01:55] <Pointwood> how do I edit the applications menu?
[01:56] <ca_ca> in Hoary its a bug
[01:57] <Pointwood> k
[01:57] <Pointwood> so I can't or rather have to do it manually?
[01:57] <Alinux> ca_ca, ah..
[01:57] <geneo93> ca_ca:  is that like poo poo
[01:58] <ca_ca> is the name of a brazilian footballplayer
[01:58] <jdub> Pointwood: type 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' at a terminal
[01:58] <caffinated> Pointwood: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[01:58] <Burk> hi
[01:58] <catela> can anyone help me config kismet please
[01:58] <caffinated> Pointwood: assuming you want to keep it, that is a workaround
[01:58] <Alinux> ca_ca, KAKA'
[01:58] <catela> the documentation is not helpful
[01:58] <Alinux> wow
[01:59] <Alinux> I'm AcMilan fan :D
[01:59] <Burk> excuse me guys, which one is more recent: preview or array7 ?
[01:59] <ca_ca> i am a fan of barca
[01:59] <Alinux> are you from spain?
[01:59] <catela> CAN ANYONE HELP ME CONFIGURE KISMET
[01:59] <catela> PLEASE
[01:59] <Burk> gosh...I'm a Juventus supporter Alinux ;)
[01:59] <zenwhen> lol
[01:59] <ca_ca> ajax-city
[01:59] <Alinux> no I'm from florence
[01:59] <Burk> good head to head this year
[02:00] <Pointwood> caffinated: thx
[02:00] <caffinated> catela: damn, do you always surf the internet with your keyboard cruise control on?
[02:00] <jdub> Pointwood: don't use that, it doesn't solve your problem
[02:00] <catela> what?
[02:00] <jdub> Pointwood: read my point above
[02:00] <caffinated> catela: because, you know WE ALL LIKE TO READ THIS KIND OF TEXT
[02:00] <ca_ca> sorry Pointwood...i thought i was in #Ubuntu
[02:00] <catela> oh
[02:01] <Pointwood> ahh
[02:01] <catela> well no one was answering me
[02:01] <caffinated> catela: so?
[02:01] <Pointwood> somehow I missed that jdub
[02:01] <jdub> catela: you asked your question, and didn't get an answer -> that would indicate that no one knows
[02:01] <catela> and i was getting a little frustrated with reading unhelpful documents
[02:01] <caffinated> catela: you have to remember, people here are not actually obligated to help you ;)  it's all volunteer
[02:01] <catela> well i know someone knows
[02:01] <Burk> so, anyone knows if Hoary Array CD 7 is more or less recent than Hoary preview?
[02:01] <catela> cuz i am not the only one who has done this
[02:01] <catela> i bet mostly everyone here has kismet
[02:01] <catela> on Ubuntu
[02:01] <geneo93> maybe not here
[02:02] <caffinated> i have kismet on my zaurus, but not on ubuntu
[02:02] <zenrox> catela,  i dont even know what kismet is
[02:02] <Alinux> someone here runs ubuntu on pcc or amd 64?
[02:02] <geneo93> Burk:  just get the preview and update
[02:03] <catela> ok... well whatever... then how do i install patches?
[02:03] <Alinux> someone here runs ubuntu on pcc or amd 64?
[02:03] <Alinux> oops
[02:03] <jdub> Burk: array 7 is more recent, get it
[02:03] <catela> ppc*
[02:03] <Burk> ok, thank you very much jdub ;)
[02:03] <Alinux> catela, mac mini ??? :O
[02:03] <catela> i have a patch file and i am not sure how to install it
[02:03] <critter> PacoBCN gtk-gnutella .Thanks great app.
[02:03] <catela> Alinux: that would be ppc
[02:03] <Alinux> yes sorry ppc I mean :D
[02:03] <catela> so does anyone know how to install patches?
[02:04] <critter> Hell he Left
[02:04] <catela> Alinux: i have it on other macs but not the macmini
[02:04] <catela> but it should work
[02:04] <catela> except for the airport extreme
[02:04] <catela> (i dnt know if hoary supports it)
[02:04] <jdub> catela: applying patches requires rebuilding stuff from source. generally not worth it unless you're working on the software.
[02:04] <Alinux> and how about your impression = ubuntu + mac machine combination?
[02:05] <Alinux> good bad?
[02:05] <catela> jdub: well seemingly kismet to work with the airport card, requires the orinocco driver
[02:05] <jdub> Alinux: it's pretty much the best distro you can get for powerpc.
[02:05] <catela> and they are all patches
[02:05] <pantz> does anyone have any experience with mounting a samba share with /etc/fstab?
[02:05] <Yldthing> i was surprised when hoary detected my wireless card
[02:05] <catela> and i thought that the orinocco driver was already installed on ubuntu
[02:05] <Alinux> jdub, mac mini became my dream in this period :D
[02:05] <Yldthing> with fedora i had to go to ipw2200.sourceforge
[02:06] <catela> orinoco*
[02:06] <Alinux> Yldthing, me too..
[02:06] <Alinux> but I have no ppc.. but x86 notebook.
[02:06] <Redwraith111> hey guys again i asked higher up about my computer not waking up after i left it.. someone said acpi
[02:06] <Redwraith111> what is that
[02:06] <Yldthing> yeah, when it got detected in setup, i was like WTF?
[02:06] <Redwraith111> and/or can i change a bios setting to not sleep it or w/e it wont wakeup from
[02:07] <Redwraith111> like an acpi fault
[02:07] <pantz> acpi is the new way to manage power on pcs
[02:07] <catela> FUCK
[02:07] <Redwraith111> can i turn it off
[02:07] <catela> this is so damn stupid
[02:07] <Yldthing> i pretty much got ubuntu to the way or better than i had fedora in 4 hours...fedora it was like a 3 month process
[02:07] <black_Nightmare> back
[02:07] <catela> i need to get kismet to work, and i know someone here knows how
[02:07] <pantz> it is still 'experimental' in terms of working or not on lots of machines
[02:08] <Redwraith111> so ca n i turn it off in linux? or do i have to on bios or what
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> catela - don't break the table or crush the legs :p
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> just some humor hehe
[02:08] <pantz> you can add acpi=off to your grub line i think will do the job
[02:08] <Redwraith111> ...
[02:08] <Redwraith111> how lol
[02:08] <Redwraith111> and will hta diddle anything else up?
[02:09] <Yldthing> what is that compositing that's on the howto in the forums?
[02:09] <jdub> catela: dude, it's pretty obvious that no one (who is awake) does. perhaps you should post to the mailing list or forums.
[02:09] <pantz> you will have to try
[02:09] <jdub> catela: it is *not* appropriate to be abusive about it.
[02:09] <Redwraith111> now what line do u ad
[02:09] <pantz> tell me when you get lost - here we go
[02:09] <Redwraith111> alrighty
[02:09] <pantz> you boot and arrive at the grub screen - ok?
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> catela: I got it working
[02:09] <Redwraith111> mmhmm'
[02:10] <Redwraith111> there is no grubconf or somethign
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> catela: I compiled the latest orinoco CVS driver
[02:10] <pantz> you select the line with the kernel you want to boot - ok?
[02:10] <Redwraith111> yeah yeah
[02:10] <pantz> you press 'e' to edit that line
[02:10] <Redwraith111> kk
[02:10] <catela> HrdwrBoB how do i compile it?
[02:10] <pantz> then go to the line that has the other options - usually the second line ...
[02:10] <Redwraith111> k
[02:11] <Redwraith111> and type acpi=off
[02:11] <pantz> go to the end of that line and add - thats it
[02:11] <pantz> then press enter
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> catela: you'll have to go to the orinoco development page
[02:11] <Redwraith111> alright
[02:11] <Redwraith111> here weeeeeee go
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> use CVS to download the drivers
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> get build-essential using apt-get
[02:11] <pantz> then press 'b' to boot that kernel you just added to
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> as well as the kernel headers
[02:11] <Redwraith111> mmhmm
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> then you'll have to build it, it should install
[02:11] <pantz> thats it - if it works - come back and we will make it permanent
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> then you can insert the new module
[02:12] <pantz> what i just told you is a one-off trial
[02:12] <catela> HrdwrBoB: the only issue i seemingly have is trying to find the driver that kismet uses when on a PPC platform (iBook) i am using an airport card
[02:12] <catela> and seemingly the one used right now to browse the web is the orinoco driver
[02:12] <pantz> if it works then you make it permanent by editing the same line in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[02:12] <catela> but i am not sure how to point kismet to use that driver
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> you need to edit the kismet.conf file
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> and add in the appropriate line
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> there is comments in the file
[02:13] <catela> HrdwrBoB: yea i figured that out
[02:13] <catela> oh yea i know
[02:14] <Zugot> I just installed amd64 ubuntu on my laptop
[02:14] <catela> but what am i editing into it
[02:14] <Zugot> it works pretty damn well
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> there will be a line configuring your network card
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> there are comments in the file
[02:14] <Zugot> warty amd64 didn't work... i love this
[02:14] <Redwraith111> thanks alot there pantz
[02:14] <Zugot> no more windows (unless under vmware)
[02:14] <Redwraith111> so we shall see if it happens again
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> Zugot: :)
[02:14] <Redwraith111> what is cvs.
[02:14] <Redwraith111> actually im gonna google that
[02:15] <Zugot> i'm gonna convert my work laptop to ubuntu as well
[02:15] <pantz> Redwraith111, good move
[02:15] <Zugot> and run windows in a vmware session
[02:15] <catela> the line currently reads (after me commenting it out and editing it) "source=orinoco,eth1,orinocosource
[02:15] <catela> "
[02:15] <Redwraith111> don't understand what it does but.. lol ill install the cedega source with it SOMEHOW im sure
[02:15] <Redwraith111> why do people talk like that /shakes head
[02:15] <Zugot> i gotta install ndiswrapper now
[02:16] <HappyPills> How would I tell if the swap partition I set up is being used?
[02:17] <hap0> Are there any reports of kubuntu turning laptops off capriciously?
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171164  How long do I have to live :)
[02:17] <geneo93> acpi may do that
[02:17] <yasirf> IN SYNptic how to i select all
[02:18] <hap0> geneo93: any idea of what I can do about it?
[02:18] <yasirf> so i do not have to select one at a time\
[02:18] <catela> but i get the following "FATAL: Could not find 'monitor' private ioctl or use the newer style 'mode monitor' command. This typically means that the drivers have not been patched or the correct drivers are being loaded. See the troubleshooting section of the README for more information."
[02:18] <catela> and i have the patch
[02:18] <catela> but i dnt know how to install it
[02:18] <Redwraith111> how do i use cvs to download cedega?
[02:18] <Redwraith111> do i download everything in the dir?
[02:18] <HappyPills> I don't think you want to select all... Pretty sure some of the packages have conflicts with other packages
[02:18] <Redwraith111> or just save the winex thing
[02:19] <Zugot> how does amd 64 3200+ compare with pentium M 2.0?
[02:19] <geneo93> turn off acpi
[02:19] <syn-ack> Zugot: They are apples and oranges
[02:19] <hap0> geneo93: Which end should I turn it off at? The BIOS or the OS?
[02:19] <pantz> Redwraith111, yep
[02:19] <pantz> to everything
[02:19] <Zugot> syn-ack, my play laptop is a amd... the laptop i'm buying for work is a pentium m
[02:20] <pantz> well you want the winex module i guess
[02:20] <geneo93> the os
[02:20] <syn-ack> Zugot: and the 64 with a 64 bit OS sould blow the pants off the m
[02:20] <Redwraith111> and also.. if i download that.. will it delete the source or do i still ned it after i compile
[02:20] <Zugot> syn-ack, i'm running 64 bit linux now
[02:21] <Zugot> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-amd64-generic #1 Thu Mar 10 02:52:25 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:21] <syn-ack> Zugot: However, this is still apples and oranges since they are the same arch
[02:21] <Zugot> ah
[02:21] <Zugot> ok
[02:21] <hap0> geneo93: Thanks I'll do some searches in the archives and forums for turning of acpi. I'm glad you suggested the OS, because I've ran a variety of other distro's and this is the first one to have had a problem.
[02:21] <syn-ack> arnt, that
[02:21] <syn-ack> is
[02:21] <yasirf> IN SYNptic how to i select all
[02:21] <yasirf> so i do not have to select one at a time\
[02:22] <syn-ack> Man, Im off right now...
[02:22] <syn-ack> yasirf: Dont know, I dont use synaptic.
[02:22] <geneo93> hapo well someone else has had the problem seems that was the cure
[02:22] <catela> linux is so damn frustrating
[02:22] <catela> i cnt get fucking kismet to run
[02:23] <syn-ack> so?
[02:23] <syn-ack> You wanna wardrive, dont you?
[02:23] <catela> it's not for wardriving
[02:23] <catela> it's to run ethereal and get packet information
[02:23] <pantz> Redwraith111, you are infact downloading the source through cvs - and then you will need to compile it b4 you will have anything useful
[02:23] <syn-ack> catela: then run ethereal
[02:24] <pantz> compiling will not delete the source
[02:24] <catela> syn-ack. i would except that it is requiring me to use kismet for some reason
[02:24] <catela> some undefined reason
[02:24] <catela> that is
[02:25] <yasirf> what is better version number 0b2-14 or 0.9-3
[02:25] <_j_> Howdy ho
[02:25] <yasirf> what is better version number 0b2-14 or 0.9-3?
[02:25] <zenrox> yasirf,  0.9.3
[02:26] <Redwraith111> i realize that pantz
[02:26] <Redwraith111> but can i get rid of the source after
[02:26] <Zugot> amd64 linux feels way faster
[02:26] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  if you want
[02:26] <Zugot> maybe its just placebo...
[02:26] <Redwraith111> alright
[02:27] <Redwraith111> i just had to install gcc and bison and flex as well lol
[02:27] <Redwraith111> someone needs to make a winex package for deb
[02:27] <sharp> so how do i login to root after a fresh install?
[02:27] <Zugot> Redwraith111, cedega ain't free
[02:27] <pantz> well after you run 'make install' it will get installed into either /usr/local/bin or wherever you specified and if you 'really' want to you can then delete the source you exported with cvs
[02:27] <geneo93> sharp:  you dont
[02:27] <caffinated> Redwraith111: the sad thing too, is after all the hassle of trying to get it compiled, assuming you succeed, it will probably dissapoint you.
[02:28] <Redwraith111> i realise that but winex source is and if you arent doing it commercially
[02:28] <akk> Is it common, or disrecommended, to add regular debian source to sources.list?
[02:28] <sharp> geneo93, what if i need to
[02:28] <Redwraith111> what do you mean?
[02:28] <Redwraith111> what will i do for games lol am i wasting my time?
[02:28] <caffinated> Redwraith111: i mean it's highly overrated
[02:28] <akk> Like if I wanted to get a lightweight window manager like icewm or fvwm
[02:28] <Glin|Jol> how would i go about creating a symlink to /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 in my /mnt dir
[02:28] <Glin|Jol> whenever i try i get a weird error
[02:28] <Redwraith111> i dont play ALOT of games but it would be nice to just have the knowledge that it works lol
[02:28] <geneo93> for what use sudo
[02:29] <hap0> geneo93: Thanks for the tip off about acpi. I just found this as an FAQ by searching the forums for 'acpi'.
[02:29] <someguy32> why is ubuntu so popular?
[02:29] <caffinated> Redwraith111: well, it's very hit and miss
[02:29] <Redwraith111> because ubuntu WORKS for a linux distro
[02:29] <geneo93> sharp:  is disabled by default
[02:29] <Redwraith111> what do you mean caffinated?
[02:29] <zenrox> someguy32,  ease of use, and the coumantity
[02:29] <Redwraith111> some may some may not?
[02:29] <sharp> geneo93, ok, so can i enable it, i need root access
[02:29] <Redwraith111> quake.. i didnt need winex for that anyway did i
[02:29] <caffinated> Redwraith111: i mean you're going to have experiences that range from works with issues, to works with major issues, to doesn't work at all.
[02:29] <CoNnEcTeD> omfg
[02:29] <Redwraith111> LOL
[02:29] <Redwraith111> ouch
[02:30] <geneo93> hapo np
[02:30] <Redwraith111> some ppl got WOW to work
[02:30] <Redwraith111> I dont play it
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> i apparently made an extra 7gs
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> this yr
[02:30] <Redwraith111> I just want medal of honor to work
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> cuz of my mom's bonus from her business
[02:30] <caffinated> Redwraith111: by all means try it anyway, just don't get your hopes up too high ;)
[02:30] <Redwraith111> how can i delete it after?
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> so now i have to file a w2 wit them
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> grr
[02:30] <Redwraith111> is there an unmake or just delete the dir?
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> there goes my income tax refund
[02:30] <CoNnEcTeD> = /
[02:30] <geneo93> sharp not recomended but do sudo passwd root
[02:30] <lakin> caffinated, I would also include a "works with no problems" in that category.
[02:31] <caffinated> lakin: i've never seen anything work under winex flawlessly.
[02:31] <Redwraith111> geneo93 why is it not recommended?
[02:31] <lakin> caffinated, Redwraith111, I had Warcraft3 working flawlessly with it for the longest time.
[02:31] <caffinated> there is always something
[02:31] <Redwraith111> it was the first thing i did
[02:31] <lakin> caffinated, of course, I never used battle.net
[02:31] <lakin> caffinated, so I guess you're right.
[02:31] <zenrox> sharp,  another was is sudo -s enter user password and you have root
[02:31] <Redwraith111> caffinated, i shall se
[02:31] <Redwraith111> see
[02:31] <geneo93> you can kill your system real fast
[02:31] <Redwraith111> the mohaa game can use a noCD
[02:31] <Redwraith111> ah ok
[02:31] <Redwraith111> yeah.. i know better.. if im not sure i ask lmao
[02:32] <Yldthing> i remember i tried running mIRC under wine for fun...ran pretty slow and buggy
[02:32] <Redwraith111> will winex run any windows.. (like not just games)
[02:32] <caffinated> Yldthing: i tried the same thing with ultraedit.  it was nasty ;)
[02:32] <Redwraith111> AND can i install vmware on a linux box or is it windows software
[02:33] <caffinated> Redwraith111: sure, assuming you own it.
[02:33] <Yldthing> i thought vmware was windows
[02:33] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  yes but vmware ant free to d/l either
[02:33] <Redwraith111> yeah.. i dont but i was thinking about a purchase soon
[02:33] <caffinated> Redwraith111: you might look at qemu as a viable free alternative
[02:33] <Redwraith111> how fast is vmware
[02:33] <Redwraith111> and/or qemu
[02:33] <caffinated> Redwraith111: keep in mind that neither vmware or qemu are going to let you play games.
[02:33] <zenrox> vmware kills the host os when the guest os is running
[02:33] <Redwraith111> i know
[02:33] <Redwraith111> ok
[02:33] <Redwraith111> hm
[02:34] <Yldthing> vmware doesn't do some distros too well
[02:34] <Yldthing> i couldn't get fc3 or mandrake working ont vmware
[02:34] <Redwraith111> yeah.. now i was reading somewhere that someone took a mac installed virtual pc on it then windows then pearpc then macos
[02:34] <zenrox> lol
[02:35] <caffinated> Redwraith111: qemu is supposed to be fairly close to native speeds under linux now.  i think you need their accelleration package (which i'm pretty sure is not free) to achieve those speeds though
[02:35] <Yldthing> what a waste of hd space
[02:35] <Redwraith111> lol.. how can i remotely connect to my computer.. say from school? to dl a file off of it or something of the like...
[02:35] <Redwraith111> yeah ill just not fiddle with that lol
[02:35] <geneo93> how silly
[02:35] <sharp> geneo93, i think i just figured out how ubuntu is supposed to handle root
[02:35] <Yldthing> setup sshd and use winscp :D
[02:35] <caffinated> heh
[02:35] <Redwraith111> winscp?
[02:35] <caffinated> or vnc
[02:35] <Yldthing> winscp
[02:35] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  dont turn off the pc ever
[02:35] <Redwraith111> i cant jsut telnet to it
[02:35] <packetgod> Say anyone here using ubuntu on IBM Thinkpads?  Good/bad/ugly?
[02:35] <Redwraith111> lol y so you can hack it?
[02:35] <sharp> geneo93, but thanks for your help
[02:35] <Redwraith111> :P
[02:36] <zenrox> lol
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> packet..since they're quite common it would have to be 'good' I would think?
[02:36] <Yldthing> http://winscp.net/eng/download.php
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> who really knows thou? hehe (for me)
[02:36] <Redwraith111> honestly though? just winscp?.. can i acess it from anywindows comp?
[02:36] <Yldthing> yeah
[02:36] <Redwraith111> like from telnet or something or a web interface?
[02:36] <zenrox> Redwraith111, ssh
[02:36] <packetgod> Is Ubuntu laptop support is pretty good in general?
[02:36] <Burk> guys, an off-topic question: I'd like to buy a notebook. I only know it must have Mobile AMD 64. Which firm should I choose? Toshiba, Asus, Acer or others?
[02:36] <zenrox> ??
[02:36] <Yldthing> u need winscp on the windows comps though
[02:36] <geneo93> sharp i use it now but dont use any apps in it
[02:37] <Jesterace> heh my ubuntu setup http://jesterace.com/~jester/screenie.jpg
[02:37] <Redwraith111> that doesnt help
[02:37] <Redwraith111> lol
[02:37] <Redwraith111> i cant install anything atschool
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[02:37] <Redwraith111> but it will be easier than sending to gmail
[02:37] <Yldthing> setup ftp server then
[02:37] <sharp> geneo93, yeah, i know a bit about linux, so ubuntu had me confused for a sec. but so far its been really great
[02:37] <Redwraith111> my comp teacher told me you could telnet and have a bash prompt
[02:38] <packetgod> telnet=bad ssh=good
[02:38] <zenrox> ssh is kinda like telnet but better security
[02:38] <geneo93> sharp:  i a long time user but ubuntu is really good
[02:38] <b_> Burk, I'm very happy with ubuntu on my new hp AMD64 so far (had it a week)
[02:38] <Redwraith111> how do i set it up
[02:38] <Yldthing> i just put ubuntu on my dell 700m last night
[02:38] <Redwraith111> and do i need that on my windows comp
[02:38] <Yldthing> pretty much everythings working
[02:39] <Yldthing> yeah ssh doesn't come on windows
[02:39] <geneo93> sharp:  as young as it is really good
[02:39] <packetgod> putty is a non-installing windows ssh client
[02:39] <zenrox> packetgod,  thats a good one
[02:39] <Yldthing> putty is good
[02:39] <packetgod> Personally I prefer teratermpro3.1 if I have to use windows but it requires an install
[02:39] <geneo93> no much comes with windows in fact
[02:39] <Yldthing> it lacks file transfer like the one at www.ssh.com though
[02:40] <Redwraith111> yeah i can download
[02:40] <Redwraith111> and run a filej
[02:40] <jbass1234> hello
[02:40] <Redwraith111> just not install one
[02:40] <b_> I'm having annoying "sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting" pop-ups in kubuntu, but that's my only major problem with my laptop
[02:40] <Redwraith111> is there an ssh package?
[02:40] <packetgod> Then putty is perfect for you, pscp (putty scp) is also a download and use for file transfer
[02:40] <Redwraith111> or am i paying again
[02:40] <geneo93> viruses and trojens
[02:40] <Yldthing> ohhh i didn't know about pscp
[02:40] <akk> Why does everything I try to run from the System->Administration menu fail with: Failued to run $progname: Child terminated with 1 status ?
[02:40] <Redwraith111> virsus and trojens?
[02:40] <jbass1234> I have a problem as follows, I just installed hoary and I cannot install xmms
[02:41] <geneo93> Redwraith111:  open ssh
[02:41] <Yldthing> what's the msg jbass1234 ?
[02:41] <akk> All the programs run fine if I su to root and run from the cmdline, but nothing runs from the menu.
[02:41] <Redwraith111> ok
[02:41] <Redwraith111> lol
[02:41] <Redwraith111> and i can connect to ssh with puty
[02:41] <Redwraith111> putty?
[02:41] <caffinated> jbass1234: can you be a bit more specific?
[02:41] <packetgod> Yup, putty is an SSH client
[02:41] <Yldthing> Redwraith111, yes
[02:41] <geneo93> should
[02:41] <jbass1234> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:41] <jbass1234> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:41] <jbass1234> is only available from another source
[02:41] <zenrox> jbass1234,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for enabling extra repostories and the the xmms section too
[02:41] <Redwraith111> ok
[02:41] <jbass1234> I did
[02:41] <Redwraith111> what is the package for open ssh
[02:41] <Redwraith111> ?
[02:41] <jbass1234> I'm also having a problem with the universe packages
[02:41] <zenrox> Redwraith111, openssh
[02:42] <Redwraith111> k
[02:42] <jbass1234> apt does not seem to like it
[02:42] <akk> Maybe because when I run from the cmdline, they all complain: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[02:42] <geneo93> openssh
[02:42] <Redwraith111> isnt one
[02:42] <Redwraith111> for hoary
[02:42] <Burk> b_: tnx, I'll have a look at HP catalogue
[02:42] <Redwraith111> hmm
[02:42] <geneo93> Redwraith111:  do you have all the repositories checked
[02:42] <Redwraith111> how do i do that
[02:42] <Redwraith111> im new remember
[02:42] <Yldthing> sudo synaptic
[02:42] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for d/l and set up off ssh
[02:43] <Redwraith111> ok
[02:43] <Redwraith111> thanks
[02:43] <Yldthing> sudo synaptic is probably easier if you're new than apt-get
[02:43] <Redwraith111> you guys are nicer than the debian guys lol
[02:43] <geneo93> na
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[02:43] <b_> Burk, if you google hp pavilion zv5405us and ubuntu, I know there are some pages out there talking about installing on my machine.  might help
[02:43] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  thats why ubunt uis so killer
[02:43] <caffinated> Redwraith111: different idiological beliefs
[02:43] <Redwraith111> i asked whats his name greycat a question and i got muted lol
[02:43] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  better coumanty
[02:44] <geneo93> Redwraith111:  you what some abuse goto azureus channel
[02:44] <jbass1234> anyone have any ideas about not being able to apt xmms onto hoary?
[02:44] <Redwraith111> wow man!
[02:44] <caffinated> Redwraith111: debian and it's followers believe that you should always exhaust all reading options before coming to them.  this isn't always time effective.  and it's frustrating.
[02:44] <Burk> tnx again ;) I'll look for it at once
[02:44] <Yldthing> i used apt-get to get xmms on hoary
[02:44] <Redwraith111> that guide is amazing
[02:44] <jbass1234> mine won't
[02:44] <jbass1234> it says obsolete ...
[02:44] <caffinated> Redwraith111: however, if you do try to read lots, you will learn more.
[02:44] <zenrox> Redwraith111,  yep
[02:44] <jbass1234> not available
[02:44] <geneo93> apt-get install xmms
[02:44] <jbass1234> rather
[02:45] <jbass1234> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:45] <jbass1234> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:45] <jbass1234> is only available from another source
[02:45] <Yldthing> i couldn't get mplayer until i added a multiverse repository
[02:45] <b_> has anyone been able to get RealPlayer, or Helix, working on hoary amd64?  following www.ubuntuguide.org results in failure with this configuration
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[02:45] <Redwraith111> the package is just ssh
[02:45] <Redwraith111> i do try to read lots
[02:45] <Redwraith111> i found my self a new book lol
[02:45] <Redwraith111> that site!
[02:45] <jbass1234> what repository should I add?
[02:45] <geneo93> ok then you dont have all the repositories enabled
[02:45] <jbass1234> I have some
[02:45] <caffinated> Redwraith111: well, reading books, but also using google, reading the FAQs, manpages, etc ;)
[02:45] <Redwraith111> xmms worked for me
[02:46] <lakin> so my desktop machine has some available options in the logout menu for Hibernating the computer, but my laptop doesn't, it doesn't even have a suspend option.
[02:46] <Redwraith111> thats what i ment.. ubuntuguide
[02:46] <zenrox> b_ thay dont have 64bit clents yet thats why
[02:46] <Redwraith111> lol
[02:46] <caffinated> it won't all make sense right away, but that's ok.  that's why people are here.
[02:46] <Redwraith111> for now*
[02:46] <Redwraith111> anyway... the package was ssh
[02:46] <GarySaved> Does anyone know if editing the application menus is going to be included before hoary is released?
[02:46] <Yldthing> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:46] <jbass1234> oh
[02:46] <adamh> How can I get ant on Ubuntu?
[02:46] <jbass1234> the first few repositories in hoary give apt problems
[02:46] <lakin> adamh, download a live-cd and use it, or download and install from an install cd.
[02:46] <b_> zenrox -- ah, ah hah... not even Helix?  hmmm.  dammit.
[02:46] <lakin> errrr.
[02:46] <zenrox> b_ nope
[02:46] <caffinated> GarySaved: yes, it's an unclosed bug for now
[02:46] <lakin> adam, I misread your question.
[02:47] <adamh> lakin: Figured, np :)
[02:47] <caffinated> GarySaved: sec, i'll dig you up the workaround
[02:47] <Redwraith111> is putty a GUI based or cmd based?
[02:47] <geneo93> GarySaved:  i'm sure it will be fixed
[02:47] <Yldthing> Redwraith111, gui
[02:47] <lakin> adamh, I missed the 'ant' word. I just read: How can I get on ubuntu.
[02:47] <adamh> :)
[02:47] <Yldthing> Redwraith111, but ssh is cmd
[02:47] <adamh> I've got multiverse and universe in my sources.list, and no ant...
[02:47] <GarySaved> I saw the script, thanks.  I do not like work-arounds.  It should be fixed.
[02:47] <Redwraith111> yeah i realize that but as soon as ssh is on its on right
[02:47] <adamh> There's libant1.6-java...
[02:47] <Redwraith111> everything is shared?
[02:47] <zenrox> GarySaved,  thare is a few menu editors out in the www.ubunutforums.org
[02:47] <Redwraith111> how can i shut it off?
[02:47] <zenrox> check it out
[02:47] <Redwraith111> or you ppl cant hack it anyway?
[02:48] <shank_> is kernel 2.6.11-1 know to have issues?
[02:48] <jbass1234> I'm running hoary and for some reason apt throws up on the hoary main restricted
[02:48] <adamh> But then I see stuff like http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/a/ant/ -- why is that there? I'm confused...
[02:48] <caffinated> GarySaved: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[02:49] <GarySaved> O.K>  I'll check it out.  THanks.
[02:49] <geneo93> update apt-get update
[02:49] <zenrox> geneo93, you mean sudo apt-get update
[02:49] <caffinated> GarySaved: well, i'm sure it will be fixed, but until then, this is a usable option ;)
[02:50] <geneo93> zenrox:  not for me
[02:50] <zenrox> lol
[02:50] <b_> zenrox, this shows I'm just too ignorant to be permitted to use a newish cpu architecture; didn't think compatibility issues like this would be a problem
[02:50] <jbass1234> are the universe repositories the ones that say universe?
[02:50] <geneo93> su ing here
[02:50] <caffinated> jbass1234: yes
[02:51] <adamh> jbass1234: Yes :)
[02:51] <jbass1234> ok
[02:51] <jbass1234> so why in hoary does it say xmms is unaviable
[02:51] <jbass1234> ?
[02:52] <caffinated> jbass1234: did you update your repository databases?
[02:52] <zenrox> b_ its ok i havent even tried amd64 just rember windows ant even releace there 64 bit os yet
[02:52] <caffinated> jbass1234: sudo apt-get update
[02:52] <jbass1234> many times
[02:52] <caffinated> should be there then
[02:52] <geneo93> jbass1234:  did you update
[02:52] <jbass1234> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:52] <jbass1234> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:52] <jbass1234> is only available from another source
[02:52] <jbass1234> yes
[02:53] <jbass1234> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[02:53] <Zugot> got wireless working on my laptop
[02:53] <Zugot> i'm impressed
[02:53] <b_> zenrox, I just wish there were a "64bit hoary version" of that "unoffical ubuntu guide" -- so far googling hasn't been that helpful
[02:53] <geneo93> its comented out in apt sources list i bet
[02:53] <goxy> i have problem with intel 536ep modem anyone can help me
[02:53] <Zugot> windows made my laptop seem way too slow
[02:53] <jbass1234> what is?
[02:53] <zenrox> b_, ya i can understand that
[02:53] <b_> I see people with similar issues to mine, but nobody has definitive answers yet
[02:53] <critter> Is it possible to restor files from the trash bin?
[02:54] <critter> restore
[02:54] <geneo93> the repositories you need
[02:54] <Yldthing> OMG middle mouse click closes tabs in firefox
[02:54] <Yldthing> awesome
[02:54] <geneo93> critter:  yes
[02:54] <sabmoc> wow that is cool
[02:54] <jbass1234> which ones?
[02:55] <sabmoc> Yldthing, do you have to middle click on the tab? or just anywhere in the window
[02:55] <Yldthing> tab
[02:55] <critter> geneo93 how I don't see a menu for it
[02:55] <sabmoc> hmm.. ok, still pretty cool
[02:55] <sabmoc> fear the badger!!
[02:55] <caffinated> jbass1234: hm, not sure why it's doing that, BUT you could grab the deb manually
[02:55] <jbass1234> grab the deb?
[02:55] <caffinated> sure.  try: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[02:55] <geneo93> right click the file ??
[02:56] <jbass1234> I think there is something wrong with the sources.list file
[02:56] <critter> I put something in trash but when I clean trash it wont let me clean whats in there . Says I dont have permission
[02:56] <caffinated> jbass1234: 'deb' meaning the debian package (which will work with ubuntu)
[02:56] <xxxzzz> does any body know how can i make my network card work under ubuntu? i plug the hardware but i cannot make ubuntu see it
[02:57] <bwlang> critter: i recommend that you do a command like this...  sudo chown <yourusername> ~/.Trash/*
[02:57] <geneo93> critter:  you did it as root or sudoer
[02:57] <xxxzzz> i am so new on linux.
[02:57] <caffinated> xxxzzz: what kind of card is it?
[02:57] <critter> Will try now
[02:57] <caffinated> xxxzzz: did you check the compatibility list?
[02:57] <bwlang> xxxzzz: what kind of card is this ? pci, isa, or pc card?
[02:57] <DarthFrog> bwlang: You need the -R switch on that chown command.
[02:58] <b_> I'll be happy when I can start telling people "get badger!" instead of "get hoary".  "Hoary" is oft misconstrued in speech
[02:58] <bwlang> DarthFrog: ahhh.. you're thining it might be in subdirectories... you might be right.
[02:58] <bwlang> critter: if my command does not work... listen to DarthFrog - i assumed that your file was not in a subdirectory
[02:58] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  is was going to mention that but you beat me to it
[02:59] <jbass1234> got it
[02:59] <jbass1234> fixed the sources.list
[02:59] <DarthFrog> geneo93: I was quicker on the keyboard. :-)
[02:59] <critter> Ok It was in my home dir
[02:59] <xxxzzz> i dont know what kind exactly, it is my network card i was using with my windows machine before. there is one place to put the lan cable in
[03:00] <geneo93> well i'm old and slow how do you think i've lived this long
[03:00] <xxxzzz> the cable is in, the light is green also
[03:00] <caffinated> xxxzzz: well, knowing what kind of card it is is the first step
[03:00] <caffinated> xxxzzz: you may need to pull it out and look at it
[03:00] <bwlang> DarthFrog: if you were really quick you would have answerd before me ... ;)
[03:01] <DarthFrog> bwlang: I had just sat down at the computer when I saw your msg. :-)
[03:01] <geneo93> xxxzzz:   you have to enable it in network-admin
[03:01] <xxxzzz> caffinated: ok
[03:01] <goxy> i have problem with intel 536ep modem anyone can help me
[03:01] <Redwraith111> how do you untar sometin again
[03:02] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  thats no excuse
[03:02] <bwlang> xxxzzz: if your computer is fairly new it's likely to be pci... try this command "lspci -v" and search for something that looks like your ethernet card.  i want to be sure that it's registered on your bus.
[03:02] <goxy> i have problem with intel 536ep modem anyone can help me
[03:02] <bwlang> goxy: i don't know what that modem is... but don't repeat your question over and over...
[03:02] <geneo93> have to go bblr
[03:03] <goxy> ok
[03:03] <critter> I'll just leave it in there for now. since no easy way to fix it. Thanks anyways
[03:03] <goxy> i just...
[03:03] <bwlang> xxxzzz: i've got to go... somebody else will help you out
[03:05] <caffinated> anyone know of a reliable repository for sun's java?  i need 1.4.2, and the repo i normally use appears down
[03:06] <xxxzzz> bwlang: okey. thank you. by the way my computer is very very old. it is pentium 166 mmx
[03:06] <caffinated> heh, could be anything in there then
[03:06] <xxxzzz> i have my network card in my hands but still i have no idea about waht kind of a network card it is
[03:06] <caffinated> any company names on it?
[03:07] <xxxzzz> GTS
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> stupid question but can libs be on a different hd or..I probably should sourge a larger hd?
[03:07] <xxxzzz> trademark..
[03:07] <caffinated> is it ISA or PCI?
[03:07] <caffinated> if it's ISA, there is a good chance it might not be PnP, which could really make things harder for you
[03:08] <black_Nightmare> caffin...there's tons of 3COM isa thou isn't there?
[03:08] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: sure.
[03:08] <ogami1972> hello room-
[03:08] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: i said there is a possibility, not a certainty ;)
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> reason I asked about the hd is that...I only have a 2.5gb but might want to download a lot of libs so......
[03:09] <Elsidox> does anyone know a good typing totour?
[03:09] <Redwraith111> the kde one is ok
[03:09] <mephisto> Hola all. I'm having a problem installing flash plugins for mozilla... I went through the package manager and added the flash things, but they don't appear to be the plugins for firefox. Anyone hanve an idea?
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> elsidox..aside to the old mavis beacon program -- nope
[03:09] <xxxzzz> i dont know because nothing defining these is written. here is the list of the words written:  GTS, FC-518LS,2K208YC, RTL8139C, RMC
[03:10] <caffinated> mephisto: iirc, you need the flashplugin-nonfree package
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> xxxzzz thats a realtek = RTL
[03:10] <Elsidox> black_Nightmare, heh.
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> elsidox...seriously...they were good hehehe
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[03:10] <caffinated> mephisto: the repository for that won't be enabled by default
[03:10] <Elsidox> black_Nightmare, we still use them at my high school. =)
[03:10] <mephisto> Ok. I'm going to have to show my ignorance here. How do i enable it?
[03:11] <xxxzzz> what if it is a realtek
[03:11] <caffinated> xxxzzz: realtek eh?  you should be able to use it then
[03:11] <black_Nightmare> elsidox :p
[03:11] <xxxzzz> so, what should i do
[03:11] <caffinated> realtek is fairly generic
[03:12] <caffinated> well, next up you need to look up the card model to find out if it's plug and play or not
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> caff...not quite so..there's actually some report of non-working realtek models seriously
[03:12] <caffinated> some really old cards need software to set them up
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> one of them was like 81xx something
[03:12] <c0re_> ey
[03:12] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: really?  i've always had fairly good success with them
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> but the 8029 and so on are fully supportable anyhow
[03:12] <Jeezis> man, when is ati gonna put out a driver for the x800 pro mobility :-/
[03:12] <xxxzzz> where can i check this
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> and I'm kinda bastardly lucky I have a 8029(AS) card on hand here :p
[03:13] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: heh, i only buy 3com/us robotics
[03:13] <caffinated> except for my wlan card, where i made an impulse buy, and paid for it
[03:13] <akk> Oh, I had a nonworking realtek just a few months ago.
[03:13] <caffinated> stupid motorola
[03:13] <pantz> has anyone here mounted a samba share using /etc/fstab?
[03:13] <c0re_> i've just installed ubuntu; i have a second disk drive (ntfs) with some files i would like to retrieve. what can i do?
[03:14] <akk> realtek changed the chipset: it was funny, not only did the claimed linux driver not work, even the windows drivers they shipped didn't work with the new chipset.
[03:14] <Burk> guys, ubuntu finds my adsl usb modem as "Dynamite modem". Is it the terrible chipset that is not (and never will be) supported?
[03:14] <black_Nightmare> hrm...guess I'll sourge a larger hd then
[03:14] <c0re_> ps: kinda n00b with this linux stuff :p
[03:15] <sharp> how can i keep my laptop from sleeping when the lid is closed?
[03:15] <caffinated> sharp: play loud music
[03:15] <black_Nightmare> lol caffin :))
[03:15] <sharp> :)
[03:16] <caffinated> sharp: seriously though, you can probably tweak your kernel options for power management
[03:16] <sharp> caffinated, how?
[03:16] <caffinated> sharp: kernel recompile.  there may be some supplimentry tools for dealing with this though.  shop around before you resort to that.
[03:17] <caffinated> unfortunatly i don't have a laptop, so i'll be of limited use there
[03:17] <akk> sharp: If it uses acpi, you might be able to edit one of the files in /etc/acpi to change what it does when it sees the lid button event.
[03:17] <black_Nightmare> I think it might be a bios thing for the lid sleep..i could be wrong thou
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[03:17] <akk> sharp: I see /etc/acpi/lid.sh -- that's probably the script that's being run when you close the lid.
[03:18] <caffinated> bastards.  i need my $#!@ editor to work heh
[03:18] <xxxzzz> okey, it is a plug and play card. what is next
[03:19] <caffinated> put it back in, and start the machine up.  see if it's seen as 'eth0' when you run ifconfig
[03:19] <Burk> go to sleep ;) see you again guys!
[03:19] <sharp> ok its not sleeping
[03:19] <xxxzzz> 5 minutes ago it did not
[03:19] <sharp> just changeing vts
[03:19] <mjg59> sharp: Edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[03:19] <mjg59> But what problems is it causing?
[03:20] <sharp> a ctrl-f7 gets me back
[03:20] <sharp> to desktop
[03:20] <mjg59> Ah. You don't get a lid up event?
[03:20] <sharp> i guess not
[03:20] <mjg59> (Gragh broken hardware designers)
[03:20] <mjg59> Yeah, looks like we'll probably have to end up disabling that after Hoary. Sigh.
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> one question anyhow... if 98se can burn cd fine at 24x @ 128MB ram then I should have no problem with 256MB ram @ ubuntu and burning a 24x or 32x cdr?
[03:21] <akk> I have tons of trouble unsuspending from 2.6 even with my old apm laptop.
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> its a buslink 32x12x40x ide drive [liteon rebadge]  ;)
[03:21] <sharp> comment out chvt 12?
[03:21] <DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: Should work just tickety-boo.
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> umm what is 'tickety-boo' ??? lol
[03:22] <DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: Google it. :-)
[03:22] <black_Nightmare> you tell me!!
[03:22] <black_Nightmare> you said it lol
[03:22] <DarthFrog> Ah, young padawan, such impatience.
[03:22] <DarthFrog> That's not tickety-boo. :-)
[03:23] <PacoBCN> compile xchat? Isn't it installed by default?
[03:23] <GnuKemist> akk, why not apt-get it?
[03:23] <akk> I need an xchat that won't keep dismissing the window every time I type ^W
[03:23] <akk> So I have to build my own, unfortunately.
[03:23] <h2o> I'm having trouble with a wlan card & ndiswrapper -- the driver loads fine and dmesg shows  happy things, but the card won't find access points...card works great under XP -- and worked fine under Fedora -- any ideas?
[03:24] <tritium> akk, do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed?
[03:24] <akk> tritium: Yes, I have that.
[03:24] <caffinated> h2o: are you running hoary or warty?
[03:24] <Redwraith111> what sthe command to delete a fodler that has stuff in it
[03:24] <Redwraith111> and the subdirs and everything
[03:24] <Redwraith111> im giving up on wine
[03:24] <Redwraith111> also how do i "uninstall it"
[03:24] <h2o> caffinated:hoary & drinking Red Bull
[03:25] <HappyPills> alrighty than... Does Ubuntu have a lilo autoconfiguration program?
[03:25] <knucks> anyone here use a tv tuner on ubuntu?
[03:25] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111, rm -rf
[03:25] <Redwraith111> ok
[03:25] <tritium> akk, did you install all of xchat's Build-dependencies?
[03:25] <DarthFrog> HappyPills:  Ubuntu uses grub.
[03:25] <caffinated> h2o: i had big problems with that too - what i had to do was downgrade my kernel to the one used by warty.
[03:25] <e5Pete> I acedenty deleted the contest of /boot so now ubuntu won't boot, what do i do?
[03:25] <tritium> knucks, yes, I have 2
[03:25] <akk> tritium: I have /usr/include/gtk-2.0 with lots of files in it, but it looks like autoconf isn't finding it when it calls pkg-config
[03:25] <caffinated> h2o: then it worked fine
[03:25] <Redwraith111> lol i tried to install winex but i didnt have a config made and i dunno how to go back and make the config
[03:25] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: Re-install.
[03:25] <knucks> tritium: what progs should i use?
[03:25] <Redwraith111> plus i want to delte source
[03:25] <caffinated> h2o: i think the new kernel module for it is broken
[03:25] <tritium> knucks, for just watching TV, or what?
[03:25] <akk> tritium: I have xchat installed, so I assume the dependencies are all there (but maybe not all the -dev dependencies)
[03:25] <knucks> yes
[03:25] <HappyPills> DarthFrog: I know, I am trying to replace it with Lilo
[03:26] <DarthFrog> HappyPills: Why?  Grub is much better.
[03:26] <tritium> akk, no, installing a package does not install its build-dependencies
[03:26] <ubuntu> guys I need some  help
[03:26] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: is there a way so i can save my config and apps?
[03:26] <akk> tritium: How do I install its build dependencies?  I'm probably missing something ...
[03:26] <HappyPills> DarthFrog: Because I am having no luck with dual booting, and I know I've gotten it to work with Lilo before
[03:26] <h2o> caffinated:awesome...did you insert the new kernel manually or through Synaptic/apt-get/etc?
[03:26] <caffinated> h2o: i used 2-6.8.1-3 and locked it so it won't upgrade - i'll probably check it again when hoary goes stable
[03:26] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possible to update from preview to any future release of hoary or not quite so?
[03:26] <ubuntu> I'm using Mandrake and I just install the live CD for Gnome 2.10
[03:26] <knucks> tritium: what progs should i use just for watching tv?
[03:27] <caffinated> h2o: i added the warty repos and use apt
[03:27] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: Yeah, boot from the live CD and back them up.
[03:27] <tritium> akk, man apt-get will reveal that you can apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[03:27] <Redwraith111> how can i uninstall winex now.. you were right caffinated
[03:27] <ubuntu> How can I install it to Mandrake instead of the live CD?
[03:27] <akk> tritium: Oh, apt-get build-dep?  Sorry, just found that.  Thanks.
[03:27] <h2o> caffinated:excellent...thanks for the support!
[03:27] <tritium> knucks, I use tvtime for watching TV, and mythtv for PVR stuff
[03:27] <caffinated> h2o: no trouble, glad to save someone the hours it took me to figure that crap out ;)
[03:27] <knucks> can i apt-get those?
[03:27] <Redwraith111> eh caffinated? you were right
[03:28] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: can't i just reinstall the files that's missing
[03:28] <akk> Nothing new related to gtk ... but I do need some packages I don't have (bison stuff, etc.)
[03:28] <tritium> knucks, yes
[03:28] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: Actually, you might be able to copy the kernel over from the live CD, re-configure grub, and rescue your system.
[03:28] <caffinated> h2o: oh, don't forget to get/lock the warty versions of ndiswrapper-tools too
[03:28] <caffinated> or it won't work
[03:28] <knucks> tthx
[03:28] <h2o> caffinated: I appreciate it...been banging my head against this vaio for a while...ndiswrapper...ok, will do...
[03:28] <tritium> knucks, tvtime is in universe
[03:28] <black_Nightmare> hm no one?
[03:28] <tritium> knucks, and mythtv is in multiverse
[03:29] <knucks> tritium: i have an ati tv wonder
[03:29] <knucks> i just got tvtime
[03:29] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: i dont have a live cd at the moment - only the install 4.10. will this do?
[03:29] <knucks> all i get is a bluescreen
[03:29] <Redwraith111> is winex compiled in the kernal?
[03:29] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: Or install Ubuntu again on a different partition, boot from that.
[03:29] <tritium> winex isn't a kernel module
[03:29] <caffinated> thank GOD winex isn't a kernel module haha
[03:29] <akk> tritium: Nope, didn't help, it still doesn't think it has enough to build with the gtk front-end.
[03:29] <caffinated> i can just imagine what kind of fun that would be
[03:29] <knucks> hm everything's in black and white?!
[03:30] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: The second installation option is the one I'd take in your situation.
[03:31] <akk> tritium: It's getting the wrong flags from pkg-config, but config.log doesn't tell me what arguments it's passing in to pkg-config to get those compile flags.
[03:31] <bokden> excuse me.  can someone point me in the direction of the unofficial Ubuntu guide?
[03:31] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: i was wondering if i can use my 4.10 config-files in a 5.04 cuz i consider trying the new Hoacy?
[03:32] <tritium> akk, are you rebuilding the ubuntu source package?
[03:32] <HappyPills> http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:32] <DarthFrog> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:32] <akk> tritium: No, just a tarball downloaded from xchat.org
[03:32] <bokden> HappyPills, DarthFrog, Thank you
[03:32] <HappyPills> =P np
[03:32] <tritium> akk, that's probably the problem.  xchat ubuntu source package builds fine
[03:32] <knucks> is there a way to fine tune all channels at once tritium?
[03:33] <tritium> knucks, not sure what you mean by "fine tine"
[03:33] <knucks> all my channels are gray
[03:33] <knucks> i right clicked and found a "fine tune" option
[03:33] <knucks> makes it color
[03:33] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: Once you get your Warty installation fixed, it'll be a straightforward and easy upgrade to Hoary. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[03:33] <tritium> you might have it configured for the wrong video standard (perhaps PAL instead of NTSC)
[03:34] <knucks> no its definitely ntsc
[03:34] <sabmoc> Hi DarthFrog
[03:34] <akk> tritium: I'll try that now ... I'm doing apt-get source, but do I need to do something special to build it, or can I just configure and make?
[03:34] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: will it not be easier to install Hoary rigth away - i got an iso for it at my hd
[03:34] <bung__> don't configure and make
[03:35] <sabmoc> oh great, now Im hungry.
[03:35] <sabmoc> and thirsty..
[03:35] <bung__> dpkg-buildpackage in the source dir
[03:35] <tritium> akk, if you're using the debian source package, and you've installed and the build dependencies, you can use devscripts to build it
[03:35] <bung__> or apt-get source -b foo
[03:35] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: Either way.
[03:35] <bung__> iirc
[03:35] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, are you any good at judging graphic design type stuff?
[03:35] <akk> tritium: I'll try that, 'cause configure in the directory I get with apt-get source still doesn't build the gtk frontend.
[03:35] <caffinated> sabmoc: well, you could go and get something.  i know detaching from the terminal is not an easy thing, but you CAN do it. ;)
[03:35] <d27654> what auto-run at startup file can I put my gDesklet's in?
[03:36] <tritium> akk, get dpkg-dev and devscripts.  Then you can use debuild or dpkg-buildpackage)
[03:36] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: what do you meen?
[03:36] <DarthFrog> e5Pete: You might be able to rescue your system by booting from that Hoary CD you're going to burn and upgrading via the CD.
[03:36] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[03:36] <d27654> I need to run some commands at system startup
[03:37] <sabmoc> caffinated, well I could, but .. NO I CANT!! AAGGHH!!!
[03:37] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: I've been known to formulate an uninformed opinion before. :-)
[03:37] <caffinated> sabmoc: haha
[03:37] <HappyPills> hmm... this might work. I'll boot into Knoppix, grab the lilo configuration file from there, and Butcher it till I break something!
[03:37] <e5Pete> DarthFrog: okay i'll try that, thx
[03:37] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, want to see something Im working on in inkscape, its not nearly finished yet
[03:37] <DarthFrog> newcpnb: You need to research the route command.  Route and netstat are your friends for what you want to do.
[03:38] <caffinated> sabmoc: we might have to make an #ubuntu-addicts channel for some of you guys.  with some counciling and a little work, we can get you to the refridgerator :D
[03:38] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: No time tonight.  Gotta get ready for VanLUG in a few minutes.
[03:38] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, actually no, I dont want to show it to anyone yet, not close enough to being finished
[03:38] <black_Nightmare> LOL caff... :p
[03:38] <akk> tritium: Yes, looks like that's doing it.  I wonder what it's doing differently?
[03:38] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, really? man I wish I could go!
[03:38] <akk> tritium: I had to get fakeroot too, easy enough.
[03:38] <newcpnb> DarthFrog, can you please tell me how to do this ?
[03:38] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Where are you?
[03:38] <newcpnb> i spent 3 days on this and found nothing !
[03:39] <tritium> akk, you can look in debian/rules under the source directory to see what it's doing
[03:39] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, Sechelt, about an hour away from Van
[03:39] <knucks> know any other tv programs?
[03:39] <DarthFrog> newcpnb: Not now, sorry.  I have to leave in fairly short order.   It's a fairly advanced networking job, though.  Not beginner stuff.
[03:39] <caffinated> that reminds me of a news article i saw once about a guy who played everquest for 4 days straight and actually died from exhaustion
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> so..just to ask.. any of you know if laptop touchpad are usually a software thing, right?
[03:39] <caffinated> craziness
[03:39] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: I have a bunch of Ubuntu CDs to give out tonight at the meeting. :-)
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> caff....want hear something worser?
[03:40] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, cool
[03:40] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: lay it on me
[03:40] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, how often to you meet?
[03:40] <newcpnb> DarthFrog, isnt this just one command ?
[03:40] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Monthly.  Go to http://www.linux.bc.ca   There's a VanLUG mailing list, get yourself put on it.
[03:40] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, you should seriously sign up on the Canadian team wiki
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> caff.... police case: girl died because a boy was quite a bit too D&D-fantasying into reality
[03:41] <black_Nightmare> reason for death? sword
[03:41] <black_Nightmare> :|
[03:41] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: I've got another iron in the fire just at the moment.
[03:41] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, absolutely, I will try to be there next time, but you too, sign up on the wiki
[03:41] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, its ok, at least do it just to keep in contact with other Canadian ubunters
[03:41] <GnuKemist> anybody from Northern NJ around?
[03:42] <Redwraith111> Im in Canada
[03:42] <Redwraith111> What are we talking about
[03:42] <Redwraith111> lol
[03:42] <Redwraith111> whats the link
[03:42] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: i have a hard time understanding how people can cross that barrier :x
[03:42] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, we're getting a mailing list setup pretty quick, its just a way to let anyone else know of important evens and stuff, but a little more too, but if you have no time thats ok.
[03:42] <caffinated> definatly something wrong in the greymatter
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> caff....me as well... ughh..don't even ask me anything about it anyhow
[03:42] <sabmoc> Redwraith111, cool, join the team! where are you?
[03:43] <sabmoc> Redwraith111, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[03:43] <Absenth> how do I change what "right click" "terminal" launches in gnome?
[03:44] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: It's not that I'm uninterested or don't have any time, it's that I'm going in a different direction just at the moment and I don't want to dilute my efforts.  Otherwise, it becomes work and I lose interest awful fast if that happens.
[03:44] <black_Nightmare> just wondering for two questions: can I update hoary preview to any future upcoming hoary?  is laptop touchpad usually a software thing?
[03:44] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:44] <black_Nightmare> caff....where? :p
[03:44] <caffinated> Prince Rupert, BC
[03:44] <ells> tritium: mike, what is up
[03:44] <black_Nightmare> BC? ugh...thats opposite side of canada from me lol
[03:44] <ells> anyone know about acidrip
[03:44] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, I understand, but you do realize I will nag you until you rupture your spleen
[03:44] <caffinated> if BC had a sphinchter, i'd be living in it heh
[03:45] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, and even then I might not stop
[03:45] <caffinated> i want to move to vancouver island i think
[03:45] <Absenth> caffinated, can't be as bad a Gary Indiana
[03:45] <sabmoc> f34r m3!!
[03:45] <caffinated> Absenth: i bet it could give it a good run for it's money
[03:45] <jack|w> is there a way i can make ESD not "block" the alsa mixer?  Every time mozilla tries toplay a sound, it locks up
[03:45] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: I've kinda noticed that you are a persistant puppy, yes.
[03:45] <sabmoc> caffinated, you're in BC too?
[03:46] <caffinated> yeah
[03:46] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, yeah really
[03:46] <DarthFrog> caffinated: Where are you?
[03:46] <calc> sabmoc: u 2 l33t 4 m3
[03:46] <caffinated> DarthFrog: Prince Rupert
[03:46] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, but I hope you realize Im only joking, its cool man
[03:46] <Absenth> I was within a few KM of BC last month
[03:46] <DarthFrog> caffinated: PR is a very nice place in the 5 minutes each year that it's not raining. :-)
[03:46] <Absenth> I made it as far as Lake Louise
[03:46] <HappyPills> ah well... I'll give up on booting windows for now. TIme to move onto sharing my printer!
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> eh I guess no one know about my questions then *shuts up*
[03:46] <tritium> Absenth, you're in Gary?
[03:47] <akk> tritium: debuild built the package okay, then bombed out because it wanted a signing program like gpp.
[03:47] <Absenth> tritium, I'm in Fishers actually (near Indianapolis)(
[03:47] <ells> any you tech guys familiar with the use of acidrip, just need to tweak it for op performance
[03:47] <tritium> Absenth, cool, I'm in W. Lafayette
[03:47] <caffinated> DarthFrog: hahah, word.  it actually SNOWED today
[03:47] <jbass1234> hi
[03:47] <akk> tritium: Er, gpg, even.  But gpg "has no installation candidate".  What's the right package to use there?
[03:47] <sabmoc> calc, heh
[03:47] <Absenth> tritium, nice.  going to Purdue?
[03:47] <ells> tritium: what's up Mike
[03:47] <caffinated> DarthFrog: like, i haven't seen more than 3 days of snow this year, and then today, for NO reason at all ...
[03:47] <GnuKemist> black_Nightmare, what do you need to know about touchpad?
[03:48] <tritium> akk, apt-cache search gpg to find out.  (it's gnupg)
[03:48] <jbass1234> hey all, I had xmms working, ran update on synaptic, and now when I try to open xmms, it opens and closes automatically
[03:48] <DarthFrog> caffinated: The cherries are blooming down here in LotusLand. :-)
[03:48] <sabmoc> caffinated, this time last year I was living in Williams Lake, I feel for you
[03:48] <tritium> Absenth, yeah, finishing PhD
[03:48] <tritium> ells, hey
[03:48] <akk> tritium: Oh, okay, I did an aptitude search and it didn't find it.
[03:48] <ells> tritium: hows class man
[03:48] <caffinated> sabmoc: actually rupert is fairly temperate, just some weird weather lately.
[03:48] <tritium> ells, I don't have any classes :)  Just research/dissertation
[03:48] <GnuKemist> jbass1234, try opening xmms from terminal and see if it spits out anything usefull
[03:48] <akk> tritium: I never know which apt searching program to use to get the right answer ... they all seem a little different.
[03:48] <tritium> ells, how about you?
[03:48] <caffinated> sabmoc: it's usually warmer than terrace or smithers
[03:49] <Absenth> tritium, nice.  I'm just getting ready to go get my first degree.  Kinda did the college thing for a whole semester, and quit.  going back after 10 years :)
[03:49] <ells> tritium: forgot, not bad, just gonna study for my math final tomorrow
[03:49] <sabmoc> caffinated, well lately you can barely call it winter, which is really bad for killing the damn beetles
[03:49] <tritium> Absenth, awesome :)
[03:49] <ells> tiritium: quntitative decision making
[03:49] <tritium> ells, good luck
[03:49] <ells> tritium: math is okay, but dont understand why they wanna find ways to make it hard
[03:49] <jbass1234> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:49] <jbass1234> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m odid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:50] <sabmoc> Redwraith111, are you Dennis?
[03:50] <Absenth> tritium, I think I actually have a class I'll be taking in about 2 years called Hacking, and Counter hacking.
[03:50] <GnuKemist> jbass1234, ouch
[03:50] <caffinated> sabmoc: heh, i don't really pay too much attention to the insect life here, unless i'm killing the little bastards myself
[03:50] <jbass1234> what does that mean?
[03:50] <tritium> Absenth, :)
[03:50] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[03:50] <GnuKemist> jbass1234, don't really know what it means but have you tried re-installing it?
[03:50] <jbass1234> cannot open libmikdmod.so.2 cannot open shared object file
[03:50] <jbass1234> xmms?
[03:50] <jbass1234> yes
[03:50] <PacoBCN> dammit, Enemy Territory shuts the system down :S
[03:51] <PacoBCN> it's like if i typed shutdown -h now
[03:51] <caffinated> PacoBCN: bad news.  i had some issues with that until i went and got drivers from nvidia's site
[03:51] <ells> tritium: I got acidrip to rip the movie to avi, but the quality is not all that, slight lag in movie and voice. hoping someone in here knows ho to tweak it, and hopefully it will play on my home player
[03:51] <black_Nightmare> sorry....gnuk ~ I was wondering if laptop touchpads are usually software or no?
[03:51] <jbass1234> hmm
[03:51] <sabmoc> caffinated, my place was wood heat like a lot of other up that way, so when we would go out to get the wood it almost make you sad to see just how bad the devestation has gotten, but thats the only reason I know about it.
[03:51] <jbass1234> ok
[03:51] <jbass1234> it works now
[03:51] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[03:51] <jbass1234> I reinstalled libmikmod2
[03:51] <akk> tritium: Unfortunately installing gnupg didn't make it happy, it still can't find a signing program (even though gpg is there!)
[03:51] <knucks> Ok i need helpo
[03:51] <jbass1234> xmms
[03:51] <GnuKemist> jbass1234, what happened?
[03:51] <jbass1234> works anyways
[03:51] <caffinated> sabmoc: ah, ok
[03:51] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:51] <jbass1234> idk
[03:51] <knucks> how do i find my MySQL root info?
[03:51] <akk> tritium: Maybe it's unhappy because it doesn't have any keys ...
[03:52] <knucks> or how do i create a new account
[03:52] <jbass1234> oh I have a question
[03:52] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[03:52] <jbass1234> why can't rhytmbox read mp3 files?
[03:52] <tritium> akk, did you use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild?
[03:52] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[03:52] <caffinated> jbass1234: i have no idea - i had big problems with that package.  i eventually removed it and used xmms.
[03:52] <knucks> who can help me with MySQL ?
[03:52] <tritium> ells, not sure...haven't used it
[03:52] <akk> tritium: debuild
[03:52] <Absenth> newcpnb, spamming the same question over and over isn't likely to get you any faster help.
[03:52] <caffinated> it would die trying to read my mp3 list
[03:53] <ells> tritium, kind of cool that it worked, just need to find a wiki or some good doc. on it
[03:53] <GnuKemist> knucks, I think there's a command that will reveal all variables for MySQL
[03:53] <caffinated> yeah, show variables
[03:53] <jbass1234> yeah, me too
[03:53] <caffinated> mysql-administrator is a lot friendlier though
[03:54] <sabmoc> Redwraith111, ping
[03:54] <GnuKemist> knucks, yeah, there's a bunch of GUI apps out there for mysql
[03:54] <caffinated> jbass1234: that's one thing i'm really not happy about with ubuntu - the media software choices are not what i can describe as "best of breed"
[03:54] <caffinated> they simply have never worked for me
[03:54] <jbass1234> alright
[03:54] <jbass1234> as long as xmms works
[03:54] <caffinated> i had issues with totem too
[03:54] <jbass1234> thanks
[03:54] <jbass1234> bye
[03:54] <GnuKemist> caffinated, rhythmbox didn't work for me out of the box
[03:55] <tritium> caffinated, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:55] <GnuKemist> caffinated, then one day after aot-get upgrade it worked
[03:55] <caffinated> tritium: i just got rid of it.
[03:55] <caffinated> xine works great
[03:55] <GnuKemist> caffinated, and gstreamer too
[03:55] <tritium> caffinated, that's why you can't play mp3
[03:55] <Absenth> newcpnb, sorry man,  I'm drawing a blank on howto's for ubuntu as a router.
[03:55] <caffinated> tritium: no, rhythm box was the first to go
[03:55] <caffinated> after that, totem followed
[03:55] <Absenth> newcpnb, and the way I set mine up won't help you since it's openbsd 3.5
[03:56] <tritium> akk, try dpkg-buildpackage instead
[03:56] <tritium> caffinated, it works, though.  That's what I'm saying
[03:56] <caffinated> tritium: it doesn't though.
[03:56] <caffinated> tritium: totem won't read anything i give it.  not even mpeg.  it was very frustrating.
[03:57] <tritium> caffinated, my working rhythmbox is a counter-example to your claim
[03:57] <caffinated> and STILL wouldn't read anything even after i updated all the packages
[03:57] <GnuKemist> totem plays DVDs for me
[03:57] <pcybill> tritium: Do you know if Hoary will have and upgrade option or should I just backup home and do a fresh install?
[03:57] <akk> tritium: Uh-oh, with dpkg-buildpkg it has the error where it doesn't build the gtk front-end.
[03:57] <caffinated> tritium: well, that's good, except lots of people have been in here recently with non-working rhythembox setups ;)
[03:57] <akk> tritium: So something debuild is doing is necessary in the process.
[03:57] <caffinated> so, there is some problem with it
[03:57] <dwmcqueen> Anyone know how to get GDM to display Xfce in the Sessions menu?
[03:57] <SysFail> if ANYbody has gotten webmin from synaptic to work please msg me???? ...I keep getting access denied errors trying to load the page
[03:57] <knucks> how do i check my mysql settings?
[03:58] <tritium> pcybill, when Hoary is released, there will be an announcement, and instructions on how to upgrade at the very least.
[03:58] <knucks> i need to know where the database and everything?
[03:58] <knucks> PLAESE HELP
[03:58] <dwmcqueen> Also, why would 2.6.10 kernel not recognize my tulip ethernet card while warty's kernel does?
[03:58] <pcybill> tritium: Great thanks
[03:58] <akk> tritium: I have to go to dinner, but thanks for the help so far!  I'll get back to this later.
[03:58] <Yldthing> u can upgrade to final version of hoary with apt-get, right?
[03:58] <tritium> akk, np
[03:58] <GnuKemist> gonna hit the sack... night all
[03:58] <tritium> Yldthing, yes
[03:58] <akk> Maybe it just wants a gpg key or something.
[03:58] <Yldthing> excellent
[03:58] <tritium> Yldthing, and then possibly purge portmap, or something similar
[03:59] <Absenth> ubuntu doesn't install dhcpd by default does it?
[03:59] <caffinated> Absenth: i don't believe so
[03:59] <caffinated> it's fairly light on installing server-type stuff
[03:59] <tritium> caffinated, did you try w32codecs when you were having trouble with videos?
[03:59] <Absenth> caffinated, I didn't think so either......  if it did, does anyone know where the dhcpd.conf would live?
[03:59] <SysFail> nobody is running webmin??
[03:59] <Absenth> SysFail, not I sorry.
[03:59] <caffinated> tritium: it wouldn't play back xvid, divx or mpeg.  xine does this all out of the box.
[03:59] <tritium> Absenth, it doesn't install by default
[04:00] <SysFail> weird
[04:00] <SysFail> figured alot of ppl would be
[04:00] <tritium> caffinated, that's why I asked if you installed the codecs
[04:00] <caffinated> tritium: i got the codecs out of the repos.
[04:00] <Absenth> SysFail, I think most Ubuntu users aren't using it as a server.  At least that's my guess
[04:00] <tritium> caffinated, w32codecs?
[04:00] <caffinated> but i didn't add any win32 codecs
[04:00] <caffinated> i shouldn't need to.
[04:00] <sig> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/
[04:00] <Yldthing> tritium, purge portmap?
[04:00] <tritium> Absenth, it's for security reasons that few services are installed
[04:01] <tritium> Yldthing, yeah.
[04:01] <Yldthing> what's portmap?
[04:01] <caffinated> if i should need to, then that's a major flaw with totem, and they should replace totem with gxine.
[04:01] <tritium> caffinated, that was your problem there then
[04:01] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[04:01] <tritium> caffinated, no, the problem is the restricted formats
[04:01] <caffinated> tritium: that's just going to confuse and frustrate people
[04:01] <Absenth> tritium, I figured,  since I got to install nfsd, and portmap etc. etc.
[04:01] <tritium> caffinated, it's a legal issue that can't be gotten around
[04:01] <caffinated> tritium: um, mpeg is a restricted format? ;)
[04:01] <dwmcqueen> Anyone know how to get xfce to show up in menu in GDM?
[04:01] <Absenth> tritium, beats the hell out of removing all the crap you didn't want.
[04:02] <tritium> caffinated, no, but some of the other codecs in w32codecs
[04:02] <dwmcqueen> And how to get GDM to restart?
[04:02] <tritium> Absenth, yes
[04:02] <caffinated> tritium: then that doesn't explain why mpegs wouldn't work
[04:02] <caffinated> imo, totem is just a bad idea.  especially if you want a distro that "just works"
[04:03] <tritium> caffinated, you mentioned other codecs.  see this:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:03] <caffinated> i mean, if you can't do *anything* with it out of the box, it may as well not be there
[04:03] <Yldthing> what is compositing?  as described here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[04:03] <tritium> there are legal reasons they can't just do what you want
[04:03] <caffinated> Yldthing: makes video updates faster, as well as adding some visual effects.
[04:03] <caffinated> hardware accellerated transparancy, and shadowing, etc..
[04:04] <dwmcqueen> Anyone here even use GDM?
[04:04] <Yldthing> oooo
[04:04] <tritium> dwmcqueen, of course
[04:04] <Yldthing> is it worth the effort in your opinion?
[04:04] <dwmcqueen> tritium: How do you get itt to recognize other windowmanagers?
[04:04] <friedCrumpet> Hello.  I'm having some problems with Keyboard bindings.  Specifically trying to bind the 'windows' key + L to lock my screen.   However, when I press the windows key, I just get 'Super_R' added as the key binding.  Any pointers as how to fix this?
[04:04] <Dillweed> dwmcqueen: everyone does :) i think
[04:04] <dwmcqueen> I want to go into xfce.
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> friedCrumpet: that's what it is.
[04:04] <caffinated> tritium: i'm not arguing that it might work if you go through the hassle.  i'm just saying that it IS a hassle.  and people who are attacted to this kind of distro are not going to be impressed by a video player that is as useful as a doorstop ;)
[04:04] <tritium> dwmcqueen, I haven't tried it.  Look on the wiki or forums for xfce issues
[04:05] <Dillweed> dwmcqueen: click on sessions and then login
[04:05] <dwmcqueen> Billweed: xfce doesn't appear in the resulting menus
[04:05] <tritium> caffinated, the legal issues are what they are
[04:05] <yasirf> how to change the root password
[04:05] <caffinated> tritium: and the usability issues are what they are
[04:05] <Dillweed> dwmcqueen: it's Dillweed :) and do you have xfce installed?
[04:06] <yasirf> how to change the root password?
[04:06] <yasirf> how to change the root password?
[04:06] <caffinated> yasirf: you don't
[04:06] <yasirf> but i can
[04:06] <dwmcqueen> Dillweed: Yes...sorry monitor is bad ;P
[04:06] <caffinated> yasirf: use sudo with your regular user's account
[04:06] <tritium> caffinated, can't break the law for usability
[04:06] <Dillweed> lol
[04:06] <Dillweed> dwmcqueen: yes, you have xfce installed?
[04:06] <caffinated> if you *really* need to give a password to root, use: sudo su and then passwd
[04:06] <dwmcqueen> Dillweed: Yes
[04:06] <caffinated> but you shouldn't
[04:06] <tritium> sudo passwd
[04:06] <caffinated> leave root disabled.
[04:07] <tritium> yasirf, sudo -s -H is recommended instead
[04:07] <daniels> agh
[04:07] <caffinated> HostingGeek: first name jack?
[04:07] <dwmcqueen> Dillweed: How do you restart gdm?
[04:07] <friedCrumpet> HrdwrBoB: Sorry, phone just rang.  What do you mean 'Thats what it is?'
[04:07] <yasirf> what is  sudo - H mean?
[04:08] <Dillweed> dwmcqueen: logout.  gdm should have it already in the menu when you logout.
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> friedCrumpet: the windows key is called 'Super_R'
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> what's the problem?
[04:08] <friedCrumpet> Yeah, I can't use it in conjunction with another key
[04:08] <friedCrumpet> such as 'L'
[04:08] <dwmcqueen> Dillweed: It doesn;t
[04:09] <caffinated> yasirf: sudo is a program that allows you to run things as root, without actually being root.
[04:09] <dwmcqueen> I did logout.
[04:09] <caffinated> yasirf: it's how you do administration in ubuntu instead of using the root account
[04:09] <Dillweed> dwmcqueen: don't know then try doing a ctrl-alt-backspace.  everytime I've installed xfce the option to change the session to xfce was there.
[04:09] <caffinated> yasirf: prefixing 'sudo' with any command that needs root access will ask for a password - give it your user account password and it will execute.
[04:10] <dwmcqueen> Dillweed: I'll try that
[04:10] <HostingGeek> *g*
[04:11] <newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
[04:11] <Redwraith111> hey guys.. i downloaded a theme
[04:11] <Redwraith111> and it says file format invalid
[04:12] <Redwraith111> any ideas?
[04:13] <HostingGeek> Redwraith111: untar it in ~/.themes
[04:15] <friedCrumpet> Can anyone help with keybinding issues?  Specifically getting the windows key to work as a modifier key like ALT and CTRL?
[04:15] <Redwraith111> k
[04:16] <h2o> caffinated: can I bend your ear (eye) again?
[04:16] <ironwolf> what is gam_server and why does it keep respawning?  I can't seem to umount a partition.
[04:16] <Silvergun> anyone know an app to reassign my pwr, sleep, etc keys to volume and such?
[04:16] <bananasek> hey everyone
[04:16] <HostingGeek> freemymind: system > pref > keybaord shortcuts
[04:16] <HostingGeek> freemymind: system > pref > keybaord
[04:17] <pi> Has anybody here successfully installed cacti?
[04:17] <Jeezis> pi: what is cacti?
[04:17] <h2o> caffinated: I downgraded to 2.6.8.1-3-686 & likewise the warty ndiswrapper but the behavior is still the same...
[04:18] <pi> Jeezis: It's a stats utility for web servers, uses rrdtool to make nice graphs
[04:18] <Redwraith111> i untared and nothing
[04:18] <Jeezis> have you tried "apt-get install cacti"
[04:18] <pi> Jeezis: yes
[04:19] <Jeezis> hmmm
[04:19] <friedCrumpet> HostingGeek, I presume you were meaning that for me.  I can get into those fine, but if I try to bind Win+L, it just comes up with 'Super_R' or 'Super_L' as if the keys were not modifier keys, but actual keys by themselves
[04:19] <pi> I am getting odd errors about mysql_connect not being a defined function, when there are multiple other php scripts using it
[04:19] <HostingGeek> friedCrumpet: yes
[04:19] <Jeezis> hmmm, i dont think i'm your man. i dont work with servers much :-/
[04:19] <HostingGeek> friedCrumpet: change in those apps
[04:20] <pi> that's ok
[04:20] <bananasek> i know this is a question you guys get all the time, but how can I mount windows partitions? :)
[04:21] <tritium> pi, it's in universe.  make sure you've included it in your sources.list
[04:21] <Chipzz> if you know this is a question we get all the time, why don't you bother to check the faq? :P
[04:21] <pi> tritium: that is not the issue, i can install through apt without a problem, this is a matter of actually getting it working
[04:21] <tritium> ok
[04:21] <pi> i think it may be a problem with the package itself
[04:22] <h2o> anyone have insights on wlan w/ ndiswrapper...driver loads great, dmesg is happy, but iwconfig reports the card can't find any access points...works great in XP...and Fedora...
[04:24] <Jeezis> h2o: i've had the same problem :-p
[04:24] <Roey> hello
[04:24] <Roey> HI
[04:24] <Jeezis> Roey: HI
[04:24] <h2o> Jeezis: have you made the card work in other environments? if so, which?
[04:24] <ogami1971> hi room!- i have an icewm question...
[04:25] <ogami1971> or 2
[04:25] <Jeezis> it works perfectly in XP and it did work for a while, but as soon as i try to connect to a new network
[04:25] <Jeezis> it doesnt
[04:25] <h2o> have you made any progress on a solution?
[04:25] <h2o> tried linuxant?
[04:25] <Jeezis> no actually, what is that
[04:25] <Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5 ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[04:26] <HostingGeek> ogami1971: 'hannel'
[04:26] <HostingGeek> ogami1971: ask!
[04:26] <h2o> a paid wlan driver loader...free trial then you pay $20 after the trial's over...
[04:26] <h2o> Jeezis: www.linuxant.com
[04:26] <h2o> I've not tried it yet
[04:27] <ogami1971> first - how to adjust pwr management settings- second-is there an easy way to launch programs- like alt+f2?
[04:27] <Jeezis> h2o: huh, i just used ndiswrapper and it loads fine, its just an issure of connectivity
[04:27] <pi> ogami1971: try xbindkeys
[04:28] <h2o> Jeezis: yeah, ndiswrapper loads for me fine also...but something's not right...I've also played with disabling acpi...no different
[04:28] <ogami1971> ooo- thanks- have to go get it first...
[04:29] <Jeezis> h2o: what machine are you running it on?
[04:29] <h2o> Jeezis: Sony Vaio PCG-GRX670 -- you?
[04:29] <Jeezis> h2o: Sager 9860-s
[04:30] <Jeezis> it seems that we are having the same type of problem :-p
[04:31] <Roey> anyone know the answer to my problem?
[04:31] <ogami1971> what was the question?
[04:31] <Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5 ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[04:31] <Roey> what's wrong here?
[04:31] <Roey> er
[04:31] <Roey> how do I fix this?
[04:31] <h2o> yeah...I'm going to go try booting with "noapm nolapic noapic noacpi" in the kernel command line...will let you know if I have success...
[04:31] <Jeezis> h2o: is your wireless card an internal one?
[04:32] <Jeezis> h2o: hell, it cant hurt
[04:32] <h2o> Jeezis: no...external PCMCIA Linksys WPC54G using Broadcom chipset
[04:32] <Absenth> if dist-upgrade ever finishes I can test my ltsp server....
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> question with openoffice
[04:32] <h2o> brb...
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> when you do those slides, they have lines and crap in the background
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> how do you control those
[04:32] <odie5533> Is there a way to mount a directory as a drive, and possibly easily delete it?
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> like, "Dark Blue with Orange" has lines at the bottom
[04:33] <Absenth> odie5533, what is it you'er wanting to do?
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Roey: there is no need to build your own kernel
[04:33] <odie5533> Organize myself more
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Roey: but if you do make you use the ubuntu patches
[04:33] <bananasek> alright, i mounted my partitions with the help of friedcrumpet, but now i can't open the folder, even though i know the mounting worked... any ideas? the error msg say "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows"."
[04:34] <HostingGeek> Roey: and you need inotify
[04:34] <odie5533> bananasek you set it wrong
[04:34] <odie5533> bananasek: you working in fstab?
[04:34] <bananasek> in what?
[04:34] <odie5533> howd you mount it
[04:34] <Roey> HostingGeek:  ok, ubuntu patches???
[04:34] <tritium> bananasek, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:34] <friedCrumpet> I was just showing him how to do it at the command line with 'mount'
[04:34] <Roey> HostingGeek:  how so?
[04:35] <bananasek> i'll check that out... and i'll stop wasting ur time
[04:35] <Roey> HostingGeek:  and where do I get inotify??
[04:35] <AcidWolf> anyone on PPC know why apt-get update doesnt work
[04:35] <HostingGeek> Roey: if you don't know about that stuff then you shouldn't build your own kernel
[04:35] <Roey> HostingGeek:  there are things I need like wacom support, for instance.
[04:35] <Roey> HostingGeek:  I've been building kernels under debian for years... what's so special about ubuntu that you need to use inotify?
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> right, nobody here knows h ow to use ooimpress.
[04:35] <AcidWolf> in hoary :(
[04:36] <HostingGeek> Roey: the should be built inside a module
[04:36] <Roey> HostingGeek:  this is just the first time I'm using grub.
[04:36] <HostingGeek> Roey: gnome needs inotify
[04:36] <Roey> HostingGeek:  aaah, I'm using KDE ;)
[04:36] <HostingGeek> Roey: kde needs more patches
[04:36] <Roey> HostingGeek:  does it?
[04:36] <madstop> Is anybody using mldonkey, and can you tell me how to run the damn thing?  I can't find a command for the gui
[04:37] <Roey> HostingGeek:  I'm concerned that ubuntu is not yet 'finished', by what I hear you say
[04:37] <HostingGeek> Roey: yes like one to make the system run slower ;)
[04:37] <Roey> :)
[04:37] <HostingGeek> Roey: just use the ubuntu kernel
[04:37] <tritium> Roey, so you're using make-kpkg and linux-source-<ver> packages?
[04:37] <Roey> HostingGeek:  :) well I think GNOME's Nautilus fills that need just fine.
[04:37] <HostingGeek> Roey: and build the drive as a module
[04:37] <Roey> tritium:  I've done it with straight LILO before.
[04:37] <tritium> Roey, no, the kernel building
[04:37] <Roey> HostingGeek:  no kpkg or anything.
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  none of this kpkg nonsense
[04:38] <tritium> Roey, that's the debian way, not nonsense
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  just build, cp archi/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-blah
[04:38] <tritium> having your kernel under package management is a good thing
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  cp System.map /boot/System.map-blah
[04:38] <HostingGeek> Roey: crimsun i belive knows a lot about this stuff
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  update lilo.conf accordingly, and run lilo
[04:38] <Roey> HostingGeek:  crimsun is great
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  I know, I know.
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  I've been so lazy with it
[04:39] <Roey> Absenth:  heya
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  anyhow, I can't get this stupid thing to boot right.
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  and, past that, Grub gives me this weird error on startup:
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
[04:39] <tritium> you'd have an easier time if you were using linux-source-<version> and kernel-package
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  that's with the default kernel.
[04:40] <tritium> Roey, you can patch it
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  patch grub?
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  what's happening, btw??
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  btw, my /, /boot, and /home are on raid devices.
[04:42] <tritium> Roey, no, the kernel
[04:42] <Roey> tritium:  what's more... why is that  last device appearing differently than the first two ones in this listing:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LuhRpJ24.html
[04:42] <geppy> Hoary:  What package would provide /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build:
[04:42] <Roey> arg, he quit.
[04:42] <friedCrumpet> Okay, one last try to see if I can get this keybinding thing sorted out.  Here is what I am trying to do:  Bind 'Win'+L to lock my screen, just like it works in windows.  I went into System->Keyboard Shortcuts, and tried to set it.  All I got was 'Super_R' in the keybind, which meant that the right windows key by itself would lock the screen.  This is not what I wanted.  Going into Keyboard prefs, Layout Options I have changed it 
[04:42] <Roey> I was gonna ask, "patch the kernel now??"
[04:42] <maxchee> does anyone use mldonkey here?
[04:42] <tritium> Roey, no, patch your kernel
[04:43] <maxchee> friedCrumpet: gconf
[04:43] <friedCrumpet> maxchee: What do I do in gconf?
[04:43] <Roey> tritium:   with which patch?
[04:43] <Roey> tritium:  btw, thanks for helping me :)
[04:43] <tritium> Roey, whichever you wanted
[04:44] <Roey> tritium:  oh, I see.
[04:44] <tritium> Roey, you complained that the linux-source- package is the default one
[04:44] <Roey> tritium:  so I shoudl actually.. apt-get install the kernel sources, then patch it.
[04:44] <Roey> ok.
[04:44] <Roey> tritium:  that default kernel gives me that error with grub.
[04:45] <tritium> Roey, the one you built, or the ubuntu image you can install?
[04:45] <Roey> I have no idea which patch would solve the problem I get on normal bootup:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  the one that ubuntu installed for me.
[04:45] <tritium> Roey, the only reason I mentioned a patch is because you seemed to dislike the default linux-source
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  there are two things here:  (1) I am trying to install a new kernel, (2) I get this error on bootup.
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  understood.
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  the LinuxWacom project puts out their own wacom drivers
[04:46] <Roey> tritium:  NVidia puts out their own wacom drivers.
[04:46] <Roey> tritium:  I know NVidia drivers are there in Ubuntu, but they're a revision older.
[04:46] <tritium> Roey, I'm not familiar with wacom drivers
[04:46] <tritium> only the nvidia video drivers
[04:48] <Roey> ok
[04:49] <AcidWolf> sigh
[04:52] <Absenth> Weeee........
[04:53] <Deshboard> hellp
[04:53] <Absenth> remind me to exit irc, before flushing pf next time :)
[04:53] <Deshboard> errmmm... *Hello
[04:53] <friedCrumpet> hi
[04:53] <Deshboard> rumors say this is the place for online tech/mental support
[04:53] <friedCrumpet> If only
[04:54] <Absenth> Deshboard, what was the question?
[04:54] <calc> Deshboard: take 10 of those red pills and call us in the morning
[04:54] <Deshboard> well, I have two of them
[04:54] <Absenth> Deshboard, I was looking at 8 second internet porn.....  ok not really, but it sounded good.
[04:54] <Deshboard> first of all, how do I get a root password? [I know I sounds stupid, beat me up later] 
[04:55] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:55] <Deshboard> ...K, I'll have a look, thanks
[04:55] <Absenth> Deshboard, or http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel
[04:56] <Deshboard> and the other one, I have a small HD I used to back up my files
[04:56] <Deshboard> and I have no idea how to mount it
[04:56] <friedCrumpet> Is there a http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MakeTheStupidWindowsKeyWork page?
[04:56] <Absenth> Deshboard, where is it installed?  Second drive on ide0, or first drive on ide1?
[04:57] <Seq> friedCrumpet: work how? its an excellent modifier by default
[04:57] <Deshboard> hmmmpph... I actually have no idea
[04:57] <friedCrumpet> Naw, It doesn't work for me Seq.  Well, not in the way I want to.  I want to press Win+L to lock the screen
[04:57] <madstop> heh, friedCrumpet, when I installed kde in ubuntu I expected that key to work for the menu, but they killed it.
[04:57] <Absenth> Deshboard, it's probibly /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc
[04:57] <Absenth> Deshboard, you can try sudo fdisk /dev/hdb and then p
[04:58] <Absenth> q to exit.
[04:58] <Seq> friedCrumpet: well thats a keybinding thing. the key works, theres just no logo+L binding by default
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> But setting a keybinding causes 'Super_L' or 'Super_R' to come up
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> It doesn't let me use it like a modifier
[04:58] <Deshboard> i think it's hdc actually
[04:58] <Deshboard> the knoppix mounted it as hdc
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> If I try to set the windows keys to Meta or Hyper
[04:58] <neighborlee> does anyone else get a weird little sound ( hoary with gnome 2.10) when going from say 'mail' to 'contacts' in evolution ?
[04:58] <Absenth> then try sudo fdisk /dev/hdc
[04:58] <Seq> ahh, so maybe it is a key by default instead of a modifier. hold on
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> It lets me set a keybinding, but the keybinding doesn't work at all
[04:58] <Deshboard> and... is it safe to modify FAT32?
 rumors say this is the place for online tech/mental support
[04:59] <HostingGeek> besides the forums
[04:59] <Absenth> Deshboard, once you know where the partition is, and what type it is, you can mount it with either mount, or fstab
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and phone support
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and the mailing list
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and friends
[04:59] <friedCrumpet> neighborlee: I get a 'pop' sound
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and....
[04:59] <Absenth> HostingGeek, don't forget the bottle of Captain
[04:59] <Deshboard> I can't use mount... I'm not root
[05:00] <tritium> Deshboard, sudo mount
[05:00] <Absenth> sudo mount
[05:00] <Absenth> everything that requires root,  run the command preceded with "sudo
[05:00] <Deshboard> so, if I type "sudo" as a prefix in the console I can do anything a root can?
[05:00] <Deshboard> oh, you already said that...
[05:00] <Absenth> Deshboard, Correct.
[05:00] <Deshboard> thanks :)
[05:00] <lukin1> hello all
[05:00] <kain> which packages is needed to compile a module against a 2.6.10-5-686 kernel without installing the whole source? or it is mandatory?
[05:01] <Deshboard> problem is, I need root password to stuff like... configuring my ethernet
[05:01] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root
[05:01] <Absenth> sudo = Super User do (I think)  and if not that's my story and I'm sticking with it.
[05:01] <kain> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/zc0302 co zc030x
[05:01] <kain> ups
[05:01] <tritium> kain, linux-headers-`uname -r`
[05:01] <Absenth> Deshboard, no you don't  sudo ifconfig attribs.  :)
[05:01] <kain> tritium, ok, I'll check
[05:01] <Deshboard> well... thanks :)
[05:01] <kain> funny, I though they were installed
[05:01] <kain> thanks
[05:02] <Absenth> Deshboard, heh, coming from a redhat background, it's taken some getting used to for me too.
[05:02] <Deshboard> so sudo mount /dev/hdc
[05:02] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, hmm just one pop noise ?..odd mine is like a bunch of little ones strung together..almost like someone playing quick little congo drum piece LOL
[05:02] <Deshboard> I'm from a windows background :/
[05:02] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, weird I know but thats what I get LOL
[05:02] <Deshboard> always said i'd switch but was too lazy
[05:02] <tritium> Deshboard, you need to specify a mount-point
[05:02] <Absenth> Deshboard, probibly $sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /windows (after doing mkdir windows)
[05:02] <HostingGeek> Deshboard: system > admin > user $ groups and give your self access
[05:03] <Absenth> make that.... sudo mkdir /windows :)  unless you're putting it in your home dir.
[05:03] <lukin1> anyone see or fix a problem with Totem Movie Player where AVI's are all choppy?
[05:03] <friedCrumpet> neighborlee:  Maybe look in sound preferences and see what is in there... :)
[05:03] <tritium> lukin1, totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[05:04] <tritium> do you have w32codecs installed?
[05:04] <lukin1> totem-gstreamer i guess... whatever hoary installed :)
[05:04] <lukin1> tritium: i didnt install any codecs .. are they in the update manager
[05:05] <Mestapheles> hi
[05:05] <tritium> lukin1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:05] <Absenth> alright 2 hours and counting on dist-upgrade
[05:05] <Mestapheles> holy two hrs.  dial up?
[05:06] <Absenth> Mestapheles, no, it's a 500 celery.  taking forever every step of the way.
[05:06] <Deshboard> it doesn't work
[05:06] <lukin1> tritium: thanks a mill .. i will go do some reading!
[05:06] <Deshboard> at first it said I need to specify a file system, so I wrote:
[05:06] <tritium> lukin1, sure :)
[05:06] <Deshboard> sudo mount [-t FAT32]  /dev/hdc1 /windows
[05:06] <tritium> lukin1, my personal preference is xine (or gxine)
[05:06] <Deshboard> but it just spills the complete prefix manual on me
[05:06] <tritium> Deshboard, -t vfat
[05:07] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, veryyy odd...you know it sounds like a slowed down version ( by quite a bit) of question.wav
[05:07] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, odd
[05:07] <tritium> Hi neighborlee :)
[05:07] <Deshboard> "sudo mount [-t vfat]  /dev/hdc1 /windows"??
[05:07] <Absenth> Deshboard, did you create a /windows directory?
[05:07] <tritium> Deshboard, don't use the "[" and "] "
[05:07] <Deshboard> yep
[05:07] <Deshboard> no barriers?
[05:07] <lukin1> tritium: i've only used mplayer before.. but willing to try something different.. i just want my clips to play !
[05:07] <tritium> heh, no
[05:07] <neighborlee> tritium, HI  do I know you or just saying a kind generic hello ;-))heh
[05:08] <tritium> lukin1, good luck :)
[05:08] <Absenth> eclipse $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /windows
[05:08] <tritium> neighborlee, yes, we've chatted before.  How's the game development?
[05:08] <Deshboard> well, it mounted
[05:08] <Deshboard> but I can't access any directory
[05:08] <neighborlee> tritium, ahhhh ok kewl
[05:08] <neighborlee> tritium, SLOW of course..one man teams tend to be like that <wink>
[05:08] <Mestapheles> if I do a upgrade righ now and encounter any buggy software, it'll be fixed as a simple update right?
[05:08] <tritium> yep
[05:09] <akk> tritium: On that xchat I was building: looks like it built a .deb that works, so I can just ignore the error about signing it.
[05:09] <Deshboard> and when I try browsing through the console I get an empty dir
[05:09] <neighborlee> tritium, but I'm working on altering that ;-)
[05:09] <Absenth> Deshboard, I think.....  and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. you can....   $ chmod 777 /windows
[05:09] <friedCrumpet> neightborlee: Maybe your sound server or drivers are not working properly?
[05:09] <tritium> akk, cool.  You modified the source in some way?
[05:09] <Absenth> throw a sudo in there.
[05:09] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, shrug should be fine...sblive here and so far evo is only app that seems to display this behavior
[05:09] <Absenth> Deshboard, that gives full read/write/execute to /windows for all users.
[05:09] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, it noticeably slows down transitions from say mail to contacts or any other area for that matter
[05:10] <Deshboard> through sudo
[05:10] <Deshboard> ?
[05:10] <Agrajag> Absenth: no you can't
[05:10] <akk> tritium: Yes, a couple of lines to turn off mandatory keybindings that aren't otherwise turnoffable.
[05:10] <Agrajag> fat32 doesn't support permissions
[05:10] <tritium> akk, okay.
[05:10] <akk> (notably ^F)
[05:10] <Agrajag> you have to set a umask when you mount it
[05:10] <Deshboard> arrgghh
[05:10] <friedCrumpet> neighborlee:  Weird.  Maybe evo is using a lot of CPU for some reason at that point.
[05:10] <Absenth> Agrajag  but the /windows has permissions doesn't it.
[05:11] <Deshboard> what should be the complete mount command line? [if I'm not being to pesky] 
[05:11] <tritium> Deshboard, have you seen this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows ?
[05:11] <Agrajag> yes, but changing the mountpoint's permissions will not change what's mounted
[05:11] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, yeah would seem to be
[05:11] <Seq> friedCrumpet: yeah, i've got it to let me set the keybinding for Logo+L to lock screen, but it also doesn't work. WHich is odd, because other bindings work, and my logo+number bindings work...
[05:11] <Absenth> WOOOOO!!!! dist-upgrade finished!!!!
[05:12] <Deshboard> well
[05:12] <Miguez> howdy guys.  Been using Ubuntu for three days on a PII 350MHz, everything working great.  Installed in my Athlon machine today, Soyo KT-600 DragonPlus 1.0 mobo, Ubuntu won't recognize the on-board LAN
[05:12] <Deshboard> the directory is there, but I have no permission
[05:12] <Miguez> Soyo has no Linux drivers
[05:12] <Miguez> any ideas?
[05:13] <Mestapheles> say I've a custom installed X, I imagine I shoudl pin it if I want to keep it while upgrading to hoary
[05:13] <Miguez> by the way, checked ubuntuguide also, nothing there
[05:13] <Mestapheles> or will upgrade proceed just fine and simply refused to upgrade all but custom X/
[05:13] <Mestapheles> ?
[05:13] <Deshboard> is there anyway to gain permission?
[05:13] <tritium> Deshboard, did you see the URL I sent you?
[05:14] <Deshboard> oh, sorry, I'll look
[05:15] <kurtwisener> Hi guys
[05:15] <Miguez> hey kurt
[05:15] <kurtwisener> does anyone here know anything about fixing the sound problems on a mac mini
[05:16] <Mestapheles> is hoary being kept up to date with security issues as we speak?
[05:16] <akk> Cool, it works.
[05:16] <Miguez> guys, any ideas on how to enable the onboard LAN?
[05:16] <Miguez> wasn't recognized during install
[05:17] <akk> It even has reasonable default fonts, yay for ubuntu
[05:17] <zenrox> Mestapheles,  yep
[05:18] <Deshboard> finally!
[05:18] <Deshboard> great! you've been much help!
[05:18] <Mestapheles> thanks, I might upgrade tonight by pinning my X else I'll worry about it post upgrade.  Does anuyone knowif the accel freeze issue on iMacs with r128 were ever solved?
[05:19] <kurtwisener> Is this a good place to go for ubuntu/mac support
[05:20] <geneo93> Mestapheles:  lock down the kernel as well
[05:22] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:22] <kurtwisener> Does Mac Mini/Ubuntu Support exist anywhere?
[05:22] <kurtwisener> I have checked the forums
[05:22] <kurtwisener> I didn't see much there
[05:22] <kurtwisener> any clues
[05:23] <neighborlee> hey all.is there a IM cliient for linux that will allow one to have a sweet little icon picture like say msn in windows does ??
[05:23] <kain> neighborlee, gaim
[05:23] <neighborlee> gaim doesnt seem to allow one so im curious
[05:23] <neighborlee> o_0
[05:23] <geneo93> google for it
[05:23] <tritium> neighborlee, gaim does in fact
[05:23] <kain> check msn plugin options
[05:23] <neighborlee> geneo93,gee thanks LOL
[05:24] <neighborlee> kain, ok sounds good
[05:24] <kurtwisener> WHERE DO I GO?
[05:24] <tritium> kurtwisener, please don't yell.
[05:24] <akk> I can't find a font chooser -- does gtkfontsel exist in some ubuntu package?
[05:24] <kurtwisener> sorry
[05:24] <MacPlusG3> neighborlee: gaim will put pictures there if people have set them
[05:24] <akk> In debian it's in a package of the same name, but that doesn't seem to be in ubuntu.
[05:24] <kain> damn, spca5xx nor zc030x works with my stoopid creative cam
[05:24] <kurtwisener> I am on my fourth day of this
[05:24] <kurtwisener> seriously
[05:24] <geneo93> gaim supports avitars
[05:25] <tritium> kurtwisener, you're probably one of a small group using ubuntu on mac mini at this point
[05:25] <neighborlee> MacPlusG3, actually sorry my bad..I meant can I put a picture there for people to see
[05:25] <MacPlusG3> neighborlee: i think so... in the settings for something... have a look, i'm sure i've seen it.
[05:25] <MacPlusG3> neighborlee: at least for some networks
[05:25] <tritium> kurtwisener, what's the issue?
[05:25] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: there's been some discussion on the debian-powerpc list
[05:26] <geneo93> why are you that pretty
[05:26] <kurtwisener> I am trying to fu=igure out what modules to enable in my recomplie
[05:26] <geneo93> hehe
[05:26] <kurtwisener> the mini uses the Apple Intrepid sound setup
[05:27] <kurtwisener> I am trying to find another similar older system configuration to base my efforts off of
[05:27] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: there's only really one or two mac sound drivers. they need some love :)
[05:27] <shai> hei, last one :] 
[05:27] <kurtwisener> do powerbooks use Intrepid
[05:28] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: check the debian-powerpc list
[05:28] <shai> I just switched to linux and I'm looking for a good C++ compiler/development enviorment
[05:28] <shai> any reccomendations?
[05:28] <kurtwisener> thank you mac, is that through the debian main site
[05:28] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: yeah, should be easy to find. most ppc related people hang out there. good resource.
[05:29] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: and considering ubuntu and debian are pretty closely related, it's still applicable
[05:29] <jsgotangco> qt toolkit is good if you prefer kde
[05:29] <kurtwisener> right on thank you
[05:29] <Yldthing> vim :D
[05:29] <kurtwisener> Tritium sorry about the loudness man
[05:29] <MacPlusG3> shai: Anjuta isn't bad if you want an IDE
[05:29] <shai> I'm on gnome... does it make any diffrence?
[05:29] <kain> waiting for anjuta2...
[05:29] <Yldthing> eclipse is ok
[05:30] <kain> eclipse exists in repositories?
[05:30] <shai> which is the most... standart?
[05:30] <Yldthing> i think the site has it
[05:30] <tritium> kurtwisener, np :)
[05:30] <kurtwisener> later fellas and thanks again
[05:30] <MacPlusG3> shai: there is no real standard.
[05:30] <farruinn> akk: do you have universe enabled?  apt-cache search shows a gtkfontsel package for me
[05:30] <jsgotangco> well theres no standard really except they usually use the same compiler
[05:31] <kain> eclipse-platform doesn't exists in current hoary repository
[05:31] <shai> It was refrainly asked... I meant, which is the closest to the standart ANSI/ISO?
[05:31] <shai> I don't wanna download a compiler just to realize it doesn't match
[05:31] <kain> there is eclipse-nls-sdk
[05:31] <Miguez> where in Ubuntu can I check settings on my NIC?
[05:31] <kain> but it's a localized message catalog
[05:31] <farruinn> shai: gcc is the standard gnu compiler, I think that's ANSI/ISO compatible...
[05:31] <jsgotangco> gcc is the most standard as you can get
[05:32] <jsgotangco> everything in linux has gcc has foundation anyway
[05:32] <shai> hmmpphh, is it comfortable?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> how comfortable does it have to be as a compiler?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> everthing in free software has gcc as foundation
[05:33] <shai> not as a compiler but as an enviorment
[05:33] <akk> farruinn: How do I enable universe?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> oh environment then
[05:33] <kain> wonder why eclipse isn't in multiverse/devel on hoary
[05:33] <jsgotangco> its your call
[05:33] <jsgotangco> theres no standard environment
[05:33] <shai> I know
[05:33] <akk> farruinn: apt-cache search universe doesn't show anything either, here ...
[05:33] <shai> but, I'm looking for a comfy enviorment whose compiler is rather standart
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i swear by emacs though
[05:34] <shai> although I'd sattle for the enviorment rather then for the compiler
[05:34] <farruinn> akk: check the settings>repositories menu in synaptic, make sure everything is checked/enabled
[05:34] <MacPlusG3> shai: things like anjuta (an IDE) combine a text editor and some functionality to manage makefiles. they all end up using GCC at the end
[05:34] <farruinn> shai: I think (for gnome) anjuta is as close as it gets...
[05:34] <MacPlusG3> shai: think of things like anjuta and kdevelop providing a wrapper around GCC, Make, autotools etc
[05:34] <sabmoc> Im having trouble with pan :/
[05:34] <shai> well, if they all have the same compiler, it deosn't really matter which enviorment I choose... right?
[05:35] <akk> farruinn: Is it a known problem that none of the root items like synaptic will run from the menus?
[05:35] <sabmoc> it does not download any of the messages from the server
[05:35] <jsgotangco> it matters to what environment you want your app to run though
[05:35] <Akira> woot! just installed hoary
[05:35] <jsgotangco> if its gnome or kde
[05:35] <farruinn> akk: does it ask for your password?
[05:35] <farruinn> akk: (it should work)
[05:35] <akk> farruinn: Yes.
[05:35] <sabmoc> but gives no error messages from the command line or in the message window
[05:35] <farruinn> akk: you enter your user password?
[05:35] <akk> I type in the password, then nothing happens, or else, sometimes, a dialog comes up saying it failed to run, exit 1
[05:35] <Akira> but how come... it was setup for a different keyboard setup than what i specified on installation
[05:36] <MacPlusG3> shai: yeap, that's why you always hear different people saying <insert environment here> is good
[05:36] <shai> well.. then you say anjuta is a comfy enviorment with a GCC compiler?
[05:36] <MacPlusG3> shai: it's a pretty front end
[05:36] <sal002> How do I set the timezone (non-graphically)?
[05:36] <shai> well, than it might be what I need, I'll give it a shot, thanks
[05:36] <Akira> anyone know the command to install nvidia-glx?
[05:36] <delltony_> what is the name of the application to control your ip and all ? i need to add it to myself for i removed it
[05:36] <farruinn> akk: try 'gksudo synaptic' from the terminal (alternatively hit alt+F2 and enter the command)
[05:37] <farruinn> sal002: iirc the command is tzconfig
[05:37] <farruinn> sal002: if it isn't you can always run base-config, that should allow you to set it
[05:37] <akk> farruinn: It works with gksudo.
[05:37] <farruinn> akk: are you using warty or hoary?
[05:37] <caffinated> does anyone know a way to get audio mixing from multiple sources working?  IE: xmms and a game.
[05:37] <akk> farruinn: hoary, just installed earlier today.
[05:37] <akk> farruinn: from the preview release cd
[05:38] <sal002> farruinn: Thanks!
[05:38] <caffinated> one always seems to block the other
[05:38] <farruinn> akk: ok, in that case I do remember there being a problem with gksudo.  Do an upgrade and it should be fixed.
[05:38] <Absenth> night all.
[05:38] <shai> thanks for your time, G'day
[05:38] <farruinn> shai: enjoy =)
[05:38] <akk> farruinn: okay, will do.
[05:39] <farruinn> Akira: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto :-)
[05:40] <Akira> farruinn: done thanks
[05:40] <Akira> No wonder it wasn't working I forgot to modprobe nvidia
[05:40] <Akira> duh
[05:41] <delltony_> can someone please tlel me which application needs to be installed to change ip?
[05:41] <sal002> Anyone else have problems with hoary and tulip ethernet driver?
[05:42] <farruinn> delltony_: how was it you were changing your ip before? (and why?...)
[05:42] <Tomcat23> Hope y'all don't mind if I ask some Ubuntu questions here ;)
[05:42] <delltony_> always used /etc/network/interfaces
[05:42] <delltony_> but there was a gui in ubuntu for it but then i moved the kde and kde doesn't have it so id like the ap that did it in a gui
[05:43] <Tomcat23> I'm a new linux user, and I've only gotten gentoo instaled (with gnome and working after 2 weeks...what a learning curve...)
[05:43] <farruinn> delltony_: well if you want the complete gnome desktop back you can install ubuntu-desktop, but that's likely to remove a lot of universe stuff you've installed
[05:43] <hitriko> how do i install gaim, b/c it's giving me an error message... should i post the wrror message?
[05:44] <Yldthing> ubuntu comes with gaim doesn't it
[05:44] <Yldthing> ?
[05:44] <Akira> hoary slays warty
[05:44] <Tomcat23> But my next install I'm considering Ubuntu, coz it's based on Debian and from all the reviews the synapse(?) fronted for apt-get is well worth it...
[05:44] <farruinn> hitriko: if it's a long message please use a pastebin website
[05:44] <hitriko> no it's not
[05:44] <delltony_> i don't want the complete thing back only that one portion
[05:44] <hitriko> it's like a 3 line
[05:44] <geneo93> yes it does
[05:44] <farruinn> Tomcat23: synaptic, and actually it's a front-end to dpkg ;)
[05:44] <jason> delltony_:
[05:45] <Yldthing> Tomcat23, synaptic
[05:45] <Yldthing> and yes, it is awesome
[05:45] <jason> son(+i)]  [2:#ubuntu(+cnt)]  [Act: 1,3] 
[05:45] <jason> [#ubuntu] 
[05:45] <delltony_> jason?
[05:46] <farruinn> Tomcat23: imho using apt is a beautiful way of managing packages :)
[05:46] <jason> sorry
[05:46] <jason> it is network-admin
[05:46] <Tomcat23> farruinn: thx. yeah. I've heard it's good. I went with Gentoo originally coz I liked that I'd be able to install and uninstall things... but found out the hard way that it's a bit too advanced for me. A fact the Gentoo forums have pointed out a few times.
[05:46] <delltony_> hm not found with a search
[05:46] <farruinn> Tomcat23: synaptic is very user friendly imo
[05:47] <Yldthing> lol for most of the gentoo install i was going "WTF!?"  So i just went with ubuntu
[05:48] <Chipzz> Tomcat23: if "uninstalling" things is high on your priority list gentoo would be the very last distribution to try IMHO
[05:48] <farruinn> hrm, hitriko left.... :/
[05:48] <jason> the command I have is gksudo network-admin for that tool and it is part of gnome I believe
[05:49] <farruinn> delltony_: network-admin is part of the gnome-system-tools package
[05:49] <farruinn> (dpkg -S file to find what package owns the file)
[05:50] <sal002> will installing the ubuntu-desktop virtual package give me a basic ubuntu system?
[05:50] <Tomcat23> Oh man, Installed Gentoo (total linux newbie here) and the 1st time around (with days and days of compile time) I didn't know what modules I needed, so I skipped them thinking (as the docs said) I'd get what modules autoloaded like the livecd.... but nope. When I finally had a friend tell me to try 'lsmod' it saved the day... but now I've got it running, and I like gnome, but installing anything is just too much for me, and I've spent days going ove
[05:50] <knapjack> sal002: Yep
[05:50] <knapjack> sal002: Did you install a minimal system or something?
[05:50] <Yldthing> doesn't emerge do everything for you, Tomcat23 ?
[05:51] <jason> Tomcat23: sure you learned alot though :)
[05:51] <sal002> knapjack: nah..install failed
[05:52] <Tomcat23> Well, After spending 3 evenings trying to figure out how to install a driver that wasn't in the blessed gentoo package... I'm ready to try somethign else
[05:52] <Tomcat23> On the next box I do... leaving the gentoo one up for now
[05:52] <farruinn> Tomcat23: I would highly recommend ubuntu.  When a friend tells me they want to try out linux I hand them an ubuntu CD =)
[05:53] <jason> gentoo always seemed too far on the cutting edge when I used it
[05:53] <jason> always something I needed broke
[05:53] <Tomcat23> I have the unbuntu livecd... can I do the install with just it?
[05:53] <Yldthing> i got bootup errors when i tried gentoo right after i installed
[05:53] <Yldthing> didn't like what i saw
[05:53] <jason> Tomcat23: dont think so
[05:54] <farruinn> Tomcat23: unfortunately I think doing that would be more troublesome than installing gentoo :/  You'll have to get the install cd.
[05:55] <akk> KarlosII: Hard to say, but cheap generic ones usually seem to work.
[05:55] <Tomcat23> Yeah, Gentoo left a lot to be desired. I'm gonna research upgrading to vidalinux on the gentoo box and get ubuntu on another as soon as the main install iso comes down (thx Jason)
[05:55] <Akira> God, selling a ati 9800 pro is hard
[05:56] <Tomcat23> I'm hoping to get asterisk up on ubuntu.. Is it in the main package?
[05:56] <jason> with a bit of tweaking im pretty happy with ubuntu at the moment
[05:56] <Tomcat23> or in the .. universe package?
[05:57] <jason> took a month to make friends
[05:57] <farruinn> Tomcat23: universe
[05:57] <Tomcat23> Ah, good.
[05:58] <DJCryptic> quick question: is there a way to change the color of the window backgroup using Gnome?
[05:58] <Tomcat23> I want to do a fancy answering machine with different rings (and emailed voicemails) and I know it's possible in Asterisk to do, if I get the right type of modem in the box.
[05:59] <farruinn> DJCryptic: (hoary) System>Preferences>Desktop Background, select "no wallpaper", click the color button, choose color :)
[06:00] <DJCryptic> not the desktop background, the individual window backgrounds... like if i open up my home folder
[06:00] <Amaranth> Hey, anyone on hoary wanna test my menu editor?
[06:01] <farruinn> DJCryptic: oooh, I think if you open nautilus you can change that, otherwise it's a gtk theme thing (take a look at the cool ice theme for example)
[06:01] <farruinn> er, thinice*
[06:01] <Tomcat23> So as a soon to be new ubuntu user, should I go with hoary for now...?
[06:01] <DJCryptic> farruinn, thank you... trying now
[06:02] <DJCryptic> btw... Ubuntu 5.04 Preview 2 is running godlike on my G4 iBook 933mhz
[06:02] <farruinn> Tomcat23: hoary freezes one week from now, so if you experience any problems (I'm runny hoary now with hardly any problems) they'll be fixed over the ocurse of the next couple of weeks
[06:02] <DJCryptic> thank you so so much :)
[06:03] <jason> Tomcat23: I am using hoary because I have pretty new hardware
[06:03] <Akira> I'm haveing less problems with hoary than warty...
[06:03] <jason> Akira: same here
[06:04] <DJCryptic> im just wishing that someone would leak airport extreme's driver source so someone can make airport extreme work in linux
[06:04] <Akira> jason: Yeah, same here, however i need to upgrade from a ati9800 to a 6600 or something
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: haha
[06:05] <tim__> I never tried warty, kind of fell into hoary and it has been great so far.
[06:05] <SeeleyUSMC> I've got 2 friends here that want to try out Linux so I'm going to help them install Ubuntu Hoary on their laptops.  Only problem is, we all use Atheros wireless cards to connect to the net, so I guess I better learn how to setup MADWiFi huh?
[06:05] <Akira> jason: Right now using a mx440, so linux can work well
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: my friend is reverse engineering them atm
[06:05] <farruinn> HrdwrBoB: niiiiice :D
[06:05] <DJCryptic> its annoying to have an airport extreme wired inside of the ibook... then have a linksys USB wireless B card velcro'ed to the lid of the laptop
[06:06] <jason> Akira: my radion mobility 9000 works pretty good with the free drivers
[06:06] <DJCryptic> HrdwrBoB, give your friend a pat on the back, it will be great when they do it :)
[06:06] <farruinn> DJCryptic: tbh, if I had an apple laptop I probably wouldn't use linux on it, but I have a couple of old macs and linux breaths new life into them ;)
[06:06] <HrdwrBoB> farruinn: he reversed ALAC recently but now he's got an ax, cut it open and should be extracting the data from it
[06:06] <Tomcat23> Cool, that's good to hear. And I should be able to upgrade any core components through synaptic?
[06:06] <Akira> jason: well thats why its a 9000
[06:07] <Akira> jason: 9800 are not supported, and if you try atis drivers
[06:07] <yasirf> hello
[06:07] <yasirf> how to change the root password
[06:07] <DJCryptic> i love linux, and i really really dislike MacOS X... so between the two... linux went on here first thing
[06:07] <yasirf> what is the command
[06:07] <Akira> jason: its a horrible sight, all sorts of errors and stuff, nothing works
[06:08] <farruinn> yasirf: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:08] <jason> Akira: I wont use non-free anything so ...
[06:08] <Akira> jason: im totally converting once i upgrade my card, and the ati drivers are free...
[06:09] <DJCryptic> i have 10.3 dualbooted so my girlfriend can borrow it sometimes... other then that... linux is great
[06:09] <DJCryptic> yellowdog was kinda glitchy on here, so i tried ubuntu, and i havent found a glitch yet
[06:09] <farruinn> DJCryptic: good to hear, I've never tried yellowdog, so now I won't be tempted ;)
[06:10] <Akira> werid, a distro made for apples is glitchy
[06:10] <akk> Why doesn't middleclick in the content area work on ubuntu's firefox?
[06:10] <jason> it is saltydog
[06:10] <farruinn> akk: what's it supposed to do?
[06:10] <akk> Aha, because you've set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false!
[06:10] <akk> It's supposed to go to that url.
[06:11] <DJCryptic> Akira, i dont know why, it didnt handle well on my G3 iMac (sluggish) and glitched up all of the time on my G4 iBook.
[06:11] <DJCryptic> im still primarly a PC person...
[06:11] <DJCryptic> this laptop was just too good of a deal to pass up when i bought it
[06:11] <Akira> DJCryptic: maybe just a werid situation or something
[06:12] <Akira> DJCryptic: what kind of deal?
[06:12] <DJCryptic> brand new 14" ibook 933mhz with airport card and 2 year FULL warranty for $800
[06:12] <tim__> leaving
[06:12] <DJCryptic> i can run the thing over with my car and they will fix it
[06:12] <Akira> DJCryptic: wow nice, that american?
[06:12] <DJCryptic> yep
[06:12] <jason> DJCryptic: pretty fast with Ubuntu? how much ram?
[06:13] <Akira> DJCryptic: oh, that is an awesome deal
[06:13] <DJCryptic> using the stock 256 megs and its running GREAT
[06:13] <DJCryptic> im doing software updates... downloading using firefox and have mp3s playing... no lag
[06:13] <Akira> my p3 ran with 219 or something, and it ran alright
[06:14] <Akira> hmm, i wish i could update
[06:14] <Akira> takes too long on dialup
[06:14] <DJCryptic> lol... yep
[06:14] <ytripppy> this old guy i work with gave me some ubuntu cd's mailed out to him
[06:14] <ytripppy> he doesnt have a PC.
[06:14] <DJCryptic> im on 6mbps cable
[06:14] <BrettMeister> I would appreciate some help....
[06:15] <Akira> i use to download updates and such at school, but since they installed a proxy server, i cant
[06:15] <Siddhartha> I'm new to linux. Should I use ext2 or ext3 for my linux partition?
[06:15] <BrettMeister> I just fouled up my root login and now I can't figure out what I typed in.  Can't get to root.
[06:15] <Akira> nice... fast?
[06:15] <jason> ext3
[06:15] <ytripppy> im wondering why i cant record sound in ubuntu
[06:15] <farruinn> Siddhartha: ext3 has journalling, I'd use that
[06:15] <BrettMeister> Anything short of another install?
[06:15] <DJCryptic> ext3 or riser
[06:15] <Siddhartha> What does that mean?
[06:15] <Siddhartha> What's riser? Is it better?
[06:15] <ytripppy> i know how to use the mixer.
[06:15] <Akira> its a type of partition
[06:15] <ytripppy> it all looks good.
[06:15] <will`> reiser _is_ the best =D
[06:15] <Akira> like ntfs, and fat32
[06:15] <delltony_> Unpacking replacement xlibmesa-gl ...
[06:15] <delltony_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-5.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:15] <delltony_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[06:15] <farruinn> BrettMeister: were you setting the root password or the user password?
[06:15] <delltony_> any idea ?
[06:16] <ytripppy> the wizard in gnomemetting will not work
[06:16] <Akira> and fatx
[06:16] <DJCryptic> ah... forgot the e :)
[06:16] <Siddhartha> So ntfs is to fat32 as riser is to ext2/3?
[06:16] <farruinn> delltony_: remove fglrx-6-8-0 first
[06:16] <DJCryptic> Siddhartha, kinda
[06:16] <will`> Siddhartha: that looks about right
[06:16] <Akira> kinda, but ext2/3 are not as bad as fat
[06:16] <delltony_> aww so its to do witht he fact i'm running the ati driver ok
[06:16] <DJCryptic> ext2 is extremely slow... expesially if you shutdown wrong
[06:16] <Akira> they are better
[06:17] <delltony_> well is ubuntu ever gonna fix theirs?
[06:17] <Siddhartha> Well, partition magic doesn't offer riser. Should I leave some space unallocated and let the installer partition space and format it?
[06:17] <jason> Siddhartha: can you upgrade from 3.6 to 4 in Ubuntu?
[06:17] <DJCryptic> thats what i do :)
[06:17] <Akira> O YEAH
[06:17] <Akira> Fetched 3878kB in 14m42s (4395B/s)
[06:17] <delltony_> the one in the repository creates a xfree86 file instead of a xorg.conf one
[06:17] <Siddhartha> jason: What's 3.6 and 4? Are those versions of this riser format?
[06:17] <codyman> what apt-get dev file is for "x includes" and "qt"
[06:18] <jason> yeah
[06:18] <DJCryptic> Siddhartha, i just leave the space unallicated... and then do it in the installer
[06:18] <Siddhartha> ok. thanks.
[06:18] <wjesusaxl> hey guys do you know another text editor besides jedit
[06:18] <Akira> gedit
[06:18] <Akira> vim
[06:18] <Siddhartha> gonna run the installer now. i'll prolly be back once i get it online.
[06:18] <jason> I use reiser 3.6 but would like to use 4
[06:18] <Akira> emacs
[06:18] <DJCryptic> lol... i use pico still :)
[06:18] <farruinn> codyman: xlibs-dev will get  you x includes I believe
[06:18] <Akira> there is like a billion
[06:18] <Akira> same
[06:18] <Akira> or nano now
[06:19] <HostingGeek> Does anyone want xchat-gnome packages? (the devel doesn't want me to upload it to the reps as he belives it not ready but i say diffrent)
[06:19] <DJCryptic> thats the only thing PINE is good for now is PICO
[06:19] <DJCryptic> PINE is just OLD!
[06:19] <codyman> thanks farruinn
[06:20] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
[06:20] <Akira> ugh, im going to get find something to do while xmms download and music copys to hdd...
[06:20] <wjesusaxl> do you know why jedit doesn't work quite ok... I can get it opened
[06:21] <DJCryptic> ive actually got a question with Ubuntu... why can i not SU with my root password
[06:21] <codyman> anyone know whats the generic apt qt dev package file name
[06:21] <DJCryptic> i noticed the same thing with ubuntu 4
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: because by default there is no root password
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> you should use sudo
[06:21] <picole> hello,i wanna to know why my totem can't play the movie?
[06:21] <wjesusaxl> problems with jedit
[06:21] <picole> i have copy the win32codecs into /usr/lib/win32,but still can't play the rmvb or wmv ,somebody help me?
[06:21] <farruinn> SeeleyUSMC: I belive you want linux-source-$(uname -r)
[06:21] <ytripppy> is there anyone to reset the soundcard?
[06:21] <wjesusaxl> hey picole try mplayer
[06:21] <DJCryptic> HrdwrBoB, whats the syntax on that?
[06:22] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: 'sudo command'
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> or sudo -s for shell
[06:22] <wjesusaxl> su -
[06:22] <helio7> Does anyone know a command or method of renaming a batch of files (say jpegs) say 050321_01.jpg, 050321.02.jpg, etc. etc.??
[06:22] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
[06:22] <geneo93> DJCryptic:  try sudo passwd root
[06:22] <wjesusaxl> does anyone know how to make jedit work?
[06:23] <Myrtti> good morning angels
[06:23] <Myrtti> I have to try if my Citrix install really works still
[06:23] <picole> hi,i have copy the win32codecs into /usr/lib/win32,but my totem still can't play the rmvb or wmv ,somebody help me?
[06:24] <akk> helio7: you can do it with a for loop in your shell.
[06:24] <DJCryptic> what is the best video file player for ubuntu, any suggestions?
[06:25] <sic|> is there anyone who has an smb.conf file for a setup where it is a linux box on a home workgroup where the windows boxes are winxp with no logon...I just need a good example to go off of
[06:25] <wjesusaxl> xine
[06:25] <wjesusaxl> either that or mplayer
[06:25] <helio7> all so I'd need to create a script?
[06:25] <wjesusaxl> both work fine to me
[06:25] <helio7> akk:  so I'd need to create a script?
[06:25] <saber> Why is it that unbutu 4.10 ships with kernel 2.6.8, but you can only install 2.6.7 using apt-get?
[06:25] <DJCryptic> wjesusaxl, neither are available with apt-get?
[06:25] <niran> saber: the package names changed
[06:25] <niran> make sure you're looking for the right one
[06:25] <akk> helio7: You can just type a for loop into the cmdline.
[06:26] <akk> helio7: I'm more familiar with tcsh than bash; in tcsh you'd say something like
[06:26] <geneo93> saber:  maybe you dont have repositories enabled
[06:26] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth? I could use some help
[06:26] <saber> niran: apt-get install kernel-source        <- returns a list of "aliases" ... the lastest "ubuntu" kernel is not listed
[06:26] <akk> helio7: foreach f (*.jpg)\n mv $f $f.new\n end
[06:26] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth? I could use some help
[06:26] <akk> helio7: (\n is a newline)
[06:27] <Darkone238> Maybe someone can help me. I am trying to set up a samba share and when I try to log in from my windows computer, it gives me an error regarding "Access denied. Multiple users aren't allowed" something along those lines. anyone encountered this that can help?
[06:27] <saber> geneo: i've made changed to /etc/apt/sources.list, and ran apt-get update
[06:27] <akk> helio7: you didn't say how you wanted them renamed -- that would move foo.jpg to foo.jpg.new which I'm sure isn't quite what you want)
[06:27] <saber> What's the correct new name?
[06:27] <HostingGeek> when is grumpy merge going to start? (not talking about bendy or pengiun)
[06:27] <niran> saber: kernel-source isn't the right package. i think it's linux-source
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> akk: I use ; instead of \n
[06:28] <helio7> akk: cool I don't even know what tcsh is (= i wanted them renamed with the date, then a 3 digit serial # then .jpg (= does ubuntu have tcsh by default?
[06:28] <farruinn> HostingGeek: I think they've changed it to "breezy badger"
[06:28] <geneo93> saber:  have you looked at synaotic and seen whats enabled there
[06:28] <saber> OH, ok.
[06:28] <saber> I have no idea what synaotic is, geneo
[06:28] <Darkone238> synaptic
[06:29] <saber> aha... perfect niran: it is linux-source
[06:29] <akk> helio7: In bash I think it's: for f in *.jpg; do, then at the end done instead of end
[06:29] <HostingGeek> fabbione: or something pengiun now (they rererererererererenamed the wikipage again)
[06:29] <farruinn> HostingGeek: jdub announced a mascot competition a litle while ago
[06:29] <geneo93> saber:  uts the gui frontend to apt
[06:30] <fabbione> HostingGeek ?????
[06:30] <geneo93> ah gee i should give up for the day
[06:30] <HostingGeek> * farruinn
[06:30] <Akira> ubuntu mascot?
[06:30] <HostingGeek> there to many people in this channel
[06:30] <HostingGeek> Akira: at least its nothing offence like 3 naked people
[06:30] <akk> helio7: If they don't have that serial number now, and you need the shell to count up for you, it's a little more complicated.
[06:31] <Akira> HostingGeek: awwwwwwww
[06:31] <wjesusaxl> help me out guys with jedit
[06:31] <HostingGeek> wjesusaxl: gedit
[06:31] <farruinn> wjesusaxl: what exaclty is the problem?
[06:31] <ian> it seems that ubuntu defaults to 24 bit color.  just FYI, I changed to 16 bit and GDK drawing is significantly faster
[06:31] <wjesusaxl> I can't get it to work
[06:32] <HostingGeek> wjesusaxl: so use gedit
[06:32] <wjesusaxl> ok
[06:32] <Amaranth> ian: It takes less work to handle 16 bits than it does to handle 24 bits, of course it'll go faster.
[06:32] <helio7> akk: hmm thanks for the info; I wonder if there's a utility more within my ability to do it for me (=
[06:33] <farruinn> Mascot competition info: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[06:33] <wjesusaxl> jedit looked nicer...
[06:33] <wjesusaxl> :p
[06:33] <ian> Amaranth: sometimes 32 bit is faster than 24 bit, so you can't always apply the "obvious" rule-- but my point was just that 24 bit need not be the default and/or people in here might want to consider changing it :)
[06:33] <geneo93> ian:  change to two bits
[06:33] <Amaranth> ian: iirc the math for handling 24-bit is odd
[06:34] <helio7> akk currently they're "img_4277" and such you think i could replace the "img" part with the date?
[06:34] <ian> Amaranth: yeah it's 3 bytes which computers don't like :)
[06:34] <Amaranth> ian: so 16 and 32 would be faster, but 24 gives more detail then 16 so most people will want it
[06:34] <ian> does it?  I don't see any difference
[06:34] <ian> maybe in the gimp or something
[06:34] <deFrysk> ian, believe me there is
[06:35] <akk> helio7: Yes, that's not too hard.
[06:35] <Amaranth> ian: It has to, it's 24 bits of color data vs 16 bits of color data.
[06:35] <madstop> ian or Amaranth, for a newbie: just how does one change color depth?  I can't find any settings for it.  I'd like 32 bit.
[06:35] <ian> Amaranth: no, it doesn't have to.  a 16 bit image won't look better on a 24 bit screen
[06:35] <Amaranth> madstop: iirc if it can X will use 32-bit when you set it to 24
[06:35] <deFrysk> fedora would say millions of coluers vs thousands of colours
[06:35] <wjesusaxl> thanks guys
[06:36] <geneo93> ian:  i you had a 25 inch monitor you would
[06:36] <Amaranth> ian: No, but a 24-bit image will look better.
[06:36] <argonaught> i have a question, have ubuntu support for i810 video?
[06:36] <ian> geneo93: what does color depth have to do with resolution / dpi ?
[06:36] <JDahl> argonaught, yes
[06:36] <graben> greetings everyone
[06:36] <madstop> sorry Amaranth, I don't understand "iirc"
[06:36] <Amaranth> madstop: if i remember correctly
[06:36] <geneo93> yes
[06:36] <Siddhartha> I am networking to my Toshiba PCX1100U cable modem through USB. http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/support/downloads.html says USB networking with the modem isn't supported under linux. Is their a third party USB driver that works for this modem?
[06:37] <madstop> ah! thanks Amaranth.
[06:37] <ian> madstop: you can change it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- I don't know of a GUI way (?)
[06:37] <HappyPills> Anyone tried moving ReiserFS partitions before? what did you use?
[06:37] <graben> Quick question, does ubuntu have Japanese input support, and if so with one? ie scim, wnn, etc
[06:37] <Amaranth> Siddhartha: All I know about USB networking is that I was told to avoid it at all costs. I'm guessing this is something that isn't really there yet as far as linux driver support goes.
[06:38] <ian> madstop: DefaultDepth    24         just change to 16 (there may be a GUI way to do this?)
[06:38] <madstop> Can't understand why color depth settings aren't included in the same dialogs as resolution.
[06:38] <Amaranth> Siddhartha: Try searching google.
[06:38] <ian> madstop: neither can I!
[06:38] <Siddhartha> I will. Thanks anyway.
[06:38] <akk> helio7: for f in img_*; do mv $f `echo $f | sed 's/img_/0321_/'`; done
[06:38] <deFrysk> ian, alwayse use dpkg-recofigure
[06:38] <Amaranth> ian, madstop: I don't think you can change color depth without restarting X.
[06:38] <deFrysk> reconfigure
[06:38] <akk> helio7: Try that in a scratch directory first (copy all the images somewhere safe), don't blindly trust me on that. :-)
[06:38] <geneo93> in kde i think it is
[06:39] <bored2k> Amaranth I added an Entry with the past version, and it will not show on the latest one you posted .
[06:39] <madstop> btw, photos look fine on my display -- laptop widescreen, but the default gradiated wallpapers look horrible, even when not stretched--
[06:39] <madstop> very patchy
[06:39] <Amaranth> bored2k: Can you PM me the contents of the .desktop file?
[06:39] <helio7> akk: thanks so much eh? very helpful
[06:39] <madstop> any ideas about why?
[06:39] <ian> Amaranth: hopefully in the near future...
[06:41] <Amaranth> bored2k: Can you PM me the contents of the .desktop file?
[06:41] <Amaranth> err
[06:41] <Amaranth> bored2k: Oh, if you tried to PM me already you'll have to do it again.
[06:41] <madstop> heh, probably just need to check around for wallpapers meant for this resolution,,, Thanks for the info, ian, Amaranth
[06:44] <ian> Amaranth: an idea I'd like to throw out there-- the screen resolution preferences could have depth setting and update the x config file, but tell the user he needs to restart X (or just "reboot")
[06:44] <sianis> good morning ey
[06:45] <hams> what are the 'apt' commands to update after an ubuntu install?
[06:45] <sianis> apt-get update
[06:45] <sianis> this command is update the list
[06:45] <ian> madstop: you put up with a few things in Linux... :)  but then, same goes for Windows, eh?
[06:45] <farruinn> ian: really kernel upgrades are the only things that require reboots, it would be better to just restart the X server
[06:46] <ian> farruinn: I agree.  How does a non-technical user do that?
[06:46] <geneo93> hams:  you need to enable all the repositories first
[06:46] <sianis> hams: start the synaptic, press update and install all application what you need
[06:46] <farruinn> ian: these are good ideas, all things that need to be addressed for Linux to be a robust desktop os
[06:47] <ian> "just switch to a console and type 'sudo killlall -HUP gdm'" ? :)
[06:47] <sianis> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:47] <farruinn> ian: well in ubuntu it's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ;)
[06:47] <ian> farruinn: forgive me, I'm a slackware convert :)
[06:48] <sianis> delete all # front of the addresses
[06:48] <farruinn> ian: heheh, of course :) but seriously you might consider submitting a feature request to gnome
[06:48] <ian> farruinn: what I'd really love is if X would come out of the stone ages :)
[06:48] <helio7> akk: it worked beautifully, on a test batch, I will save it, study it, memorize it!  Thanks for saving me hours of googling; I am most appreciative
[06:48] <ian> farruinn: I'm hoping Novell, RedHat or Canonical will work some magic
[06:50] <ian> farruinn: happen to know if KDE has an option for color depth?
[06:50] <farruinn> I haven't used kde in the longest time...
[06:51] <akk> helio7: Great!  Glad it worked.
[06:51] <madstop> ian, while you're at it (go get 'em man! We non (yet) *nixers need you) try to get boot managers and log-in managers to be less of a pain as well...  :-)
[06:51] <geneo93> farruinn:  you should try 3.4 it is nice
[06:52] <ian> madstop: how so?
[06:52] <stazz> is kde available for ubuntu?
[06:52] <madstop> thing is, from my perspective, it's ironic that hackers who one presumes love a command line, would create guis that require so much damn click clicking
[06:53] <ian> stazz: see topic.
[06:53] <madstop> going hither and yon, this menu or that, configure here, configure there.  Stuff needs to be consolidated.
[06:53] <geneo93> ian:  auto login
[06:53] <bored2k> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <stazz> ian: which part of it?
[06:53] <ian> stazz: "kubuntu"
[06:53] <madstop> pardon my rant, ian
[06:53] <stazz> aahh.
[06:54] <stazz> which version is on it?
[06:54] <sianis> what is the kubuntu desktop?
[06:54] <ian> madstop: I'm not sure what you mean-- have it all in one big "control center" ?
[06:54] <geneo93> stazz #kubuntu
[06:54] <sianis> is it a KDE?
[06:54] <madstop> ubuntu (and especially "kubuntu") have gone 80 percent of the way there...
[06:54] <pablo928> stazz : I believe it's KDE 3.6?
[06:55] <ian> does gnome have a special nautilus location that shows all config apps?
[06:55] <stazz> pablo928: such thing doesn't exist :)
[06:55] <ian> the KDE control center is insane
[06:55] <Siddhartha> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=912 has a check mark for Toshiba PCX1100U's status with CDCEther through usb. What does mean about getting the modem to work through usb on ubuntu? How would it be done?
[06:55] <madstop> Nope, ian, just sensible associations of things-- like we said, color depth and resolution together, for example.
[06:55] <geneo93> ian:  have you ever seen mandrake control center
[06:56] <madstop> Less confusing menus.
[06:56] <stazz> geneo93: always write your own configs
[06:56] <hams> what is apt-get upgrade ? does it upgrade all your packages?
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> hams: yes
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> dist-upgrade is prefereable
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> it intelligently upgrades your packages
[06:56] <ian> madstop: KDE has a sensible control center? :)
[06:57] <madstop> log-in screens that concentrate more on information and quickly made choices by the user than on prettiness.
[06:57] <geneo93> stazz:  yes
[06:57] <ian> doesn't KDE's control center have a search box?
[06:57] <hams> how do i check if i have a particular package installed?
[06:57] <HappyPills>  oooh, if I install winXP to /dev/hda2 how borked do you think it'l make /dev/hda1? (where Ubuntu is installed)
[06:57] <madstop> kubuntu's settings interfaces aren't bad at all
[06:57] <madstop> for linux land
[06:57] <stazz> HappyPills: it will break your mbr
[06:57] <pablo928> stazz : I  was just on the Canonical site, they say which version of KDE it is.
[06:58] <HappyPills> stazz, is that all?
[06:58] <madstop> but, xfce4 -- great
[06:58] <stazz> HappyPills: mostly, yes. that means that you can't boot to linux afterwards
[06:58] <HappyPills> because if that is all I can just throw in the Ubuntu cd and restore my mbr
[06:58] <geneo93> ian:  yes
[06:58] <HappyPills> FOllowing the steps in the unnofficial guide
[06:58] <madstop> and grub is a pain in the ass.  End of rant!
[06:59] <ian> geneo93: you think this is usable?  http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.1/fullsize/94.png
[06:59] <ian> if so, we have different ideas of what most people want in a computer :)
[06:59] <geneo93> madstop:  i prefer lilo myself
[06:59] <madstop> geneo93, i was afraid you'd say that...
[07:00] <madstop> ;-)
[07:00] <geneo93> ian:  for what
[07:00] <ian> geneo93: for 99% of the world
[07:00] <damripp> whats the command to add more modes to my ubuntu's resoulutions?
[07:02] <geneo93> well you know most of the ppl coming over to linux are going to have trouble so its needs to be real simple and not days of reading
[07:02] <HappyPills> damripp, don't you have to edit the xf86config file in /etc/X11/?
[07:02] <damripp> i thought there was a wizard type command.
[07:03] <ian> geneo93: I agree.  I think that's an argument against that beast of a KDE control center :)
[07:03] <HappyPills> I don't know Ubuntu well enough to know about any wizard
[07:03] <deFrysk> damripp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:03] <HappyPills> if you do meet one than hit him for me though
[07:03] <deFrysk> damripp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:03] <deFrysk> damripp, make sure you know what you are doing
[07:03] <geneo93> ian:  at least its more than gnome has
[07:04] <ian> geneo93: think so?  I don't
[07:04] <damripp> yeah, ive fuxed this before
[07:04] <ian> geneo93: I mean, sure, it's MORE.  Lots MORE.  and that's worse! :)
[07:05] <geneo93> and in kde you can right click screen to do most things like screen size and so on
[07:05] <ian> geneo93: having it all in one place is good, but KDE has some real trouble with preferences-overload.  I was talking to the KDE guys at LinuxWorldExpo about it (and they agree).  But it's going to be a serious problem for them to "fix", since so many KDE users are "hardcore" and like it that way
[07:05] <madstop> ian, if you want to hand out awards for horrible, beastly control centers, give it to gconfig, not kde
[07:05] <geneo93> its much more windows user style
[07:05] <ian> madstop: gconfig is not for novice users
[07:05] <madstop> kde can be pretty much learned by using.
[07:06] <madstop> which is to say, ian, that gnome is not for users.
[07:06] <madstop> I mean, I don't know how else to alter anything in there.
[07:06] <geneo93> ian:  thats the problem thats whats coming
[07:07] <madstop> I do wish people would try not to succumb to the notion that "more windows user style" is only alternative to most linux guis
[07:08] <madstop> Many of my issues with these guis is they're alreay to damn windows like.
[07:08] <billytwowilly> heh. my desktop looks nothing like windows.
[07:08] <madstop> "too damn"
[07:08] <ian> madstop: if you think KDE is easier to learn, why do you think gnome is favored by big companies in their rollouts?
[07:08] <billytwowilly> http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot4.png Boo shacka;)
[07:09] <madstop> Neither does mine, though if I say it's kde, people will assume, "oh, because it's like windows"
[07:09] <sic|> anyone know off the top of there head why the windows boxes on my network can browes my ubuntu file server, but the file server cannot browse the windows shares...its sees them but can't open them
[07:09] <deFrysk> gnome is easyest to work with
[07:09] <pablo928> madstop: It's just that most new Linux users are migrating from windows.
[07:09] <billytwowilly> ian: because gnome is standard on redhat.
[07:09] <ian> billytwowilly: it's favored by big companies because it's the standard on redhat?
[07:09] <ian> billytwowilly: redhat is a big company.  why is it the standard on redhat?
[07:09] <madstop> ian, one thing I know for sure, what I look for in a desktop computer is not predicated by "big companies in their rollouts"
[07:10] <hams> with useradd, what do you specify so the user can't login?
[07:10] <madstop> gnome is fine if you've got staff to do a mass install and configuration, for a user who wants to personalize, but isn't technically expert- that's where you have problems with gnome
[07:11] <mass> madstop: a mass install?
[07:11] <deFrysk> madstop, ???
[07:11] <madstop> pablo928, there's a reason we're migrating from windows!
[07:11] <geneo91> i mean kiss
[07:11] <billytwowilly> ian: because redhat has always supported gnome. They wanted an alternative to kde, which, at the time was using QT, which wasn't gpl'd.
[07:11] <mass> madstop: I agree.. mac os x on the other hand is very good for user maintenance of machines, but not so good for mass installs
[07:12] <madstop> hell, before kubuntu, I couldn't stand kde.  Canonical is on the right track.
[07:12] <mass> there isn't a package file database or anything like that
[07:12] <ian> is kubuntu coming out of canonical or a community project?
[07:12] <pablo928> madstop: Yes, but I have to admit that Gnome had me scratching my head in the beginning (and still) but I've only been using it less than a month.
[07:12] <billytwowilly> community I believe.
[07:12] <ian> billytwowilly: I think so, too
[07:13] <hap0> My laptop spontaniously shut off after about 30 seconds into KDE.
[07:13] <hap0> Where do you report bugs?
[07:13] <Echylo> hmm, to install kubuntu, it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:13] <ian> madstop: I'd be happy to listen to other issues you've had with gnome configuration
[07:13] <crimsun> Echylo: yes
[07:13] <Echylo> 'key
[07:13] <geneo91> well i try to avoid gnome
[07:14] <ian> geneo91: is it hard to do? :)
[07:14] <Echylo> what is so wrong about it?
[07:14] <deFrysk> we have a #kubuntu for kde peaople
[07:14] <morgala> hey guys... how hungury is ubuntu for system resources...
[07:14] <ian> yeah I'm wondering why people who "try to avoid gnome" are in #ubuntu :)
[07:14] <deFrysk> so kde folks , go to #kubuntu
[07:15] <deFrysk> ian, agree
[07:15] <hap0> That's interesting, I thought there wasn't supposed to be a seperation of the community?
[07:15] <madstop> well, ian, heh heh-- believe me, I'm still talking too much out of ignorance-- so don't get me started!
[07:15] <geneo91> its old time stuff
[07:15] <hap0> If you have a kubuntu for KDE folks, then why don't you have a gubuntu for GNOME folks?
[07:15] <bob2> because Ubuntu itself uses GNOME
[07:15] <Echylo> cause gnome is the default?
[07:15] <deFrysk> hams, ubuntu is originaly for gnome folks
[07:16] <madstop> it's hard for me to be fair, because these systems are such mixes -- I'm never sure whether I have an issue with gnome per se,
[07:16] <deFrysk> hap0 I mean
[07:16] <ian> and "gubuntu" sounds silly :)
[07:16] <Echylo> lel
[07:16] <ian> (much like kubuntu)
[07:16] <madstop> or with metacity, or with nautilus, or with
[07:16] <akk> Surely gnome isn't the only reason to use ubuntu?
[07:16] <madstop> stuff that's just intrinsic to linux
[07:16] <deFrysk> ian, and kubuntu = SILLY
[07:16] <akk> If it is, tell me know and I'll go look for some other distro.
[07:16] <geneo91> i mean kde you want to move a file its a matter of right click and wala its done
[07:16] <bob2> akk: of course not
[07:16] <hap0> OK so because it was "first". But I've read fairly extensively that Ubuntu is THE project, and GNOME and KDE are just options.
[07:16] <bob2> hap0: where?
[07:17] <ian> madstop: metacity and nautilus are gnome.  I'll filter, don't worry!  seriously, message me with your thoughts :)
[07:17] <madstop> but really, kubuntu, from what I've seen, would have made for a much better new user experience with ubuntu than gnome
[07:17] <downsideup> hello all
[07:17] <deFrysk> madstop, would it ?
[07:17] <bob2> madstop: e.g.?
[07:17] <hap0> In the discussion following the press release
[07:17] <Echylo> I used kde before gnome, but I love to use gnome now
[07:17] <downsideup> I'm new to irc and have a question
[07:17] <Echylo> shoot downsideup
[07:17] <ian> Echylo: how technical would you say you are?
[07:17] <Echylo> not
[07:18] <[FiDO] > does anyone know why the latest python packages aren't available on synaptic
[07:18] <deFrysk> most kde users eventually revert to gnome
[07:18] <geneo91> yes i agree
[07:18] <Echylo> I'm a normal user
[07:18] <deFrysk> revert = convert
[07:18] <ian> Echylo: what's your profession, if you don't mind me asking?
[07:18] <Echylo> student ;)
[07:18] <madstop> deFrysk, I should specify -- "new user" meaning, new (or returning after failed attempts) at linux, not just new to ubuntu
[07:18] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:18] <[FiDO] > I'm trying to install the latest version of gdesklet and the dependencies I need aren't there
[07:18] <ian> Echylo: major? :)
[07:18] <bob2> [FiDO] : e.g.?
[07:18] <Echylo> yes I'm 17
[07:18] <madstop> or even "new to computers"
[07:18] <Echylo> I don't use my computer for networks etc
[07:18] <deFrysk> madstop, gnome is very easy to use and install
[07:18] <Echylo> so I'm not that advanced :)
[07:18] <geneo91> hell most windows users dont even know what they are
[07:18] <akk> I know lots of kde users, some very technical, who haven't reverted.
[07:18] <bob2> [FiDO] : where did you get that gdesklets .deb from?
[07:18] <ian> Echylo: right on.  welcome!
[07:19] <ian> Echylo: how long on linux?
[07:19] <[FiDO] > I'm compiling it from source
[07:19] <Echylo> well pretty long story
[07:19] <[FiDO] > since the ubuntu package wasn't working correctly
[07:19] <Echylo> so let's say in total 6 months
[07:19] <bob2> [FiDO] : did you file a bug so it can be fixed?
[07:19] <geneo91> 90% of windows users never read any docs
[07:19] <deFrysk> and kde people dont forget!!! /j #kubuntu
[07:19] <madstop> it's easy to install, deFrysk, with ubuntu, ubuntu's installer is amazing.  It's easy to use.  It's not easy to personalize.
[07:19] <Echylo> and a couple of weeks on ubuntu
[07:19] <Echylo> I think
[07:19] <Echylo> time goes by
[07:19] <geneo91> thats last resort
[07:19] <ian> Echylo: how do you like ubuntu?
[07:19] <deFrysk> madstop, its dead eazy to persnalize
[07:19] <[FiDO] > I'm not sure if it is a bug or a problem with my sensor packages
[07:19] <madstop> anything you say deFrysk.
[07:20] <downsideup> why do I have no sound in Ubuntu? What should i look for?
[07:20] <Echylo> I used mandrake before it, and red hat, and ubuntu is the best experience until now
[07:20] <[FiDO] > for whatever reason it wasn't displaying correctly
[07:20] <ian> madstop: no need for attitude.. :)
[07:20] <bob2> anyway, gnome vs kde is off-topic
[07:20] <[FiDO] > barely any of the desklets would work
[07:20] <bob2> [FiDO] : then please tell someone so it can be fixed
[07:20] <[FiDO] > will do
[07:20] <bored2k> Amaranth: pm-ing you
[07:21] <hap0> My question is not KDE related anyway, and another thing, I wasn't under the impression this channel was supposed to be window manager specific.
[07:21] <madstop> ian, it's almost 2:30 in the morning, I'd be happy to talk at you more about this if you're on another time, and I do thank you for your patience with a newbie's issues
[07:21] <Echylo> ian, why are you questionning(is this even a word) me ?
[07:21] <geneo91> but its not user freindly
[07:21] <hap0> What are we going to do for folks who want to run fluxbox or windowmaker?
[07:21] <bob2> hap0: they're welcome in here
[07:21] <[FiDO] > what do you do in a case where packages you want aren't available ... if you compile from source the package manager won't be able to update them but if the packages are need they are needed
[07:21] <Echylo> #ubuntu.whatsleft
[07:21] <Echylo> ;)
[07:21] <bob2> hap0: but need to be aware that it's not supported software, for whatever that means
[07:21] <hap0> Just not KDE folks?
[07:21] <ian> Echylo: just curious who is coming to linux/gnome and why.  hope I'm not making you paranoid ;)
[07:21] <geneo91> nope
[07:22] <bob2> hap0: they're welcome in here, too
[07:22] <[FiDO] > is there somewhere you can request the packages be added to the repositories
[07:22] <bob2> but this is primarily an ubuntu channel
[07:22] <bob2> [FiDO] : wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[07:22] <Echylo> ian, no no :) I was using XP first, but I was getting bored with it, so I tried linux again, and so It will stay I guess
[07:22] <[FiDO] > I don't really want to install from source unless I absolutely have to
[07:22] <[FiDO] > I'll check that out thanks
[07:22] <farruinn> hap0: the issue isn't using kde, flux, etc, this channel simply isn't the place to argue which is "the best"
[07:23] <Echylo> but I don't follow the crowd like, "haate m$"
[07:23] <hap0> Thanks. Cuz the way I start is with Ubuntu. I don't think of the window manager. I think of the OS.
[07:23] <geneo91> Echylo:  all the things wrong with xp and your bored
[07:23] <geneo91> hehe
[07:23] <ian> geneo91: yeah it seems pretty entertaining every time I use someone else's XP computer :)
[07:23] <landon> hi guys
[07:23] <deFrysk> Echylo, I do dislike m$ without following krauts
[07:23] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:23] <landon> how do I go about getting dri on my nvidia card?
[07:23] <Echylo> :D
[07:24] <ian> geneo91: it's all "CRITICAL UPDATES!!!!!!" and shaking web ads
[07:24] <geneo91> Echylo:  i haven't used windows for 6 years
[07:24] <hap0> farruinn: Thanks, then I can count on feeling welcom to stay and ask questions about why my laptop seems to shutdown spontaniously.
[07:24] <Echylo> :-)
[07:24] <madstop> (bob2 -- why is gnome/kde off topic?  those are the two packaged defaults now.  Making "kubuntu" cd images was the second smartest things ubuntu developers did! ;-)  g'night everyone
[07:24] <zenrox> landon,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:24] <Echylo> I sometimes use it on school
[07:24] <bob2> lord
[07:24] <Echylo> then it's like
[07:24] <landon> k
[07:24] <Echylo> I miss some things :p
[07:24] <geneo91> patch upon patch is all it is
[07:25] <ian> I don't think madstop understands that kubuntu is not official
[07:25] <Echylo> but I love to learn new things(except school then :&) and linux is the place to do that no?
[07:25] <geneo91> i dont miss the viruses and trogemns
[07:25] <Echylo> well that's one big reason
[07:26] <Echylo> the viruses
[07:26] <Echylo> and spyware & stuff
[07:26] <hap0> I'm glad to read that kubuntu is not official.
[07:26] <ian> Echylo: absolutely.  and to get a nice high paying job in a few years :)
[07:26] <Echylo> :)
[07:26] <bob2> ian: how is it not official?
[07:26] <Echylo> ian: :)
[07:26] <bob2> KDE stuff is in the supported section now
[07:26] <geneo91> hell 30 bucks a years for protection
[07:27] <ian> bob2: I think it's a community project, no?
[07:27] <farruinn> it's in main though
[07:27] <bob2> it's getting security support, archive space, etc
[07:28] <geneo91> depends how things go i think
[07:28] <wdh> ian, isnt ubuntu a  community project as well? :P
[07:28] <hap0> Archive search turns up nothing about laptops shutting off...
[07:28] <farruinn> wdh: with the support of one filthy rich man ;)
[07:28] <ian> are paid Canonical employees working on it?
[07:28] <wdh> farruinn, thats a detail :P
[07:29] <geneo91> farruinn:  you get paid
[07:29] <wdh> ian, thats irrelevant..
[07:29] <hap0> I propose new naming conventions for iso's should state ubuntu-gnome/kde respectively.
[07:29] <wdh> ian, as long as they are part of the community :)
[07:30] <bob2> hap0: why do you care so much?
[07:30] <ian> wdh: not if you define "official" as "from the company that created and funds ubuntu", then it's quite relevant :)
[07:30] <geneo91> money talks bs walks
[07:30] <wingsline> hello everyone...
[07:31] <wdh> well.. afaik, everything in 'main' is supported.. and kubuntu is just there :)
[07:31] <ian> what do you mean 'supported' ?
[07:31] <ian> like free tech support?
[07:31] <hap0> Well I just found it kind of sad to be invited to go elsewhere because of my choice of that one WM. None of the other WM's are singled to use a seperate channel.
[07:31] <bob2> ian: it gets security fixes, bug fixes, etc, like gnome does in ubuntu
[07:31] <wdh> well.. 18 months of securityupdates after first release at least..
[07:32] <geneo91> so it is then
[07:32] <wdh> ian: just as much support as you would get for gnome :)
[07:33] <ian> "This is a volunteer driven effort..."
[07:33] <wdh> ok.. so lets get to work :)
[07:33] <copilot> any good how-to's for setting up an ftp server on ubuntu?
[07:33] <wdh> copilot, its really quite simple..
[07:33] <geneo91> the only reason i here is to see M$ crushed like they did so many small companys
[07:33] <adscadsa> ok
[07:33] <wdh> proftpd does the job.. you could install that..
[07:33] <adscadsa> I need some support
[07:33] <adscadsa> I cant get x working
[07:34] <hap0> I'm "working" to submit a bug right now.
[07:34] <adscadsa> cause I have a 6600GT
[07:34] <geneo91> BeOS for one
[07:34] <wingsline> copilot, install proftpd, and you can manage it simple with webmin
[07:34] <wdh> copilot, but you might wanna consider a safer alternative like SFTP or SCP
[07:34] <farruinn> hap0: is the bug specific to fluxbox?
[07:34] <oggah> hello, is there anybody who can help me. I've typed the ./configure for the dclib-0.3.7.tar.bz2. It is now unpacked in the opt/ folder.
[07:34] <bob2> adscadsa: does hoary work?
[07:34] <farruinn> hap0: you're getting random reboots?
[07:34] <copilot> I was steered toward vsftpd, but haven't been able to log in from anywhere else.
[07:34] <adscadsa> nah im running warty
[07:34] <wdh> wingsline, webmin sucks.. proftpd is really quite easy to configure in its config file..
[07:34] <ian> geneo91: BeOS was great!
[07:35] <copilot> I can log in using user:pass@localhost
[07:35] <adscadsa> I dont know what to do
[07:35] <wdh> so why use a frontend that is bound to change sooner or later?
[07:35] <hap0> farruinn: Yes I'm getting random reboots, even before the WM loads sometimes.
[07:35] <bob2> adscadsa: try hoary
[07:35] <adscadsa> Im tring to get the new package
[07:35] <oggah> is there any guide to install dclib on Ubuntu? Please help me.
[07:35] <wingsline> adscadsa, yeah I know, but for a beginner it is easier and faster
[07:35] <adscadsa> mm now I have to redownload it
[07:35] <bob2> oggah: it's best to just ask your question and wait, instead of begging people
[07:35] <farruinn> hap0: that doesn't sound like a fluxbox problem then... (maybe I'm missing the point)
[07:36] <copilot> I don't need a gui, i'm familiar with text based config files
[07:36] <bob2> oggah: you'd want to explain what dclib is, and then paste the whole error from ./configure to #flood
[07:36] <hap0> farruinn: Actually I think it just shuts off, and I initiate the reboot by hand.
[07:36] <adscadsa> IM just looking for a  apt-get fix
[07:36] <bob2> adscadsa: I doubt there is one
[07:37] <geneo91> ian:  i still have R503 on this box
[07:37] <adscadsa> is there anyway to upgrade from warty to hoary
[07:37] <bob2> adscadsa: sure
[07:37] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:37] <jsgotangco> change your sources
[07:37] <adscadsa> kk
[07:37] <ian> geneo91: been following the open beos stuff?
[07:37] <farruinn> hap0: in that case your /var/log/syslog will be helpful I think
[07:37] <geneo91> and dano
[07:37] <hap0> farruinn: ??? The point is that spontaneously powering off is a "bad thing".
[07:37] <jsgotangco> you can change your repositories from synaptic
[07:37] <adscadsa> I dont have x
[07:37] <bob2> hap0: does it happen with ubuntu?
[07:37] <adscadsa> so can I just edit the file
[07:37] <jsgotangco> then just edit your /etc/sources.list
[07:37] <hap0> I'd love to check my syslog if the laptop would stay running long enough.
[07:38] <jsgotangco> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:38] <zenrox> adscadsa, like this tho sudo pico /etc/sources.list
[07:38] <hap0> bob2: Yes.
[07:38] <adscadsa> yeah will ti install the new drivers
[07:38] <geneo91> ian:  do you know about haiku (open BeOS)
[07:38] <zenrox> jsgotangco, sudo apt-get update first then dist-upgrade\
[07:38] <Roey> hi
[07:38] <bob2> hap0: do the fans run?
[07:38] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:38] <jsgotangco> i forgot the update
[07:38] <Roey> according to this, grub won't install to raid1 partition:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15605.html
[07:38] <ian> geneo91: yes-- that's what I was asking you about.  didn't know the new name
[07:39] <Roey> I have /, /boot and /home just like in this post http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15605.html
[07:39] <bob2> Roey: *software* raid, important difference
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  I use sw raid.
[07:39] <Echylo> hmm how to choose a directory in proftpdconf ?
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  and to be honest, grub is giving me the biggest freaking headache
[07:39] <hap0> bob2: The fans run just fine before the power shuts off.
[07:39] <Echylo> or how to add one
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  I tried an initrd
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  I tried compiling kernel with builin raid and xfs
[07:39] <geneo91> haiku news .org
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  nothing works, it keeps giving me errors.
[07:39] <aljosa> i can't compile slmodem driver (slamr) on 2.6.10 (kubuntu), any ideas?
[07:40] <bob2> Roey: yes, I don't know if that's supported or not
[07:40] <bob2> if it is, I suspect it will involve magic
[07:40] <ian> hap0: does it power off, sleep, hibernate?
[07:40] <Mestapheles> exit
[07:41] <hap0> ian: The power shuts down instantly, completely, abnormal end.
[07:41] <hams> in ubuntu, what is the equivalent of chkconfig ?
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  unfortunately for me the Zen of Debian/Grub Voodoo is not high on my priorities ;)
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  thanks though
[07:41] <bob2> hams: update-rc.d or so
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  I will switch to lilo and be done with this.
[07:41] <bob2> Roey: you could just install lilo
[07:41] <Roey> that's what I'll do
[07:41] <hap0> hams: Try apt-get install chkconfig :)
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  I had wanted to try my hand at grub :(
[07:42] <Roey> bob2:  do I have to do anything special to get rid of grub, or can I just install lilo over it?
[07:42] <Roey> bob2:  (to the mbr I mean)
[07:42] <bob2> just install it
[07:43] <geneo91> all i did
[07:43] <Roey> bob2:  can make-kpkg work with lilo instead of grub?
[07:43] <bob2> Roey: sure
[07:43] <Roey> bob2:  so if I have lilo installed, dpkg -i will automatically detect it and install the kernel accordingly? nice, nice
[07:44] <wingsline> does anyone know a good clipboard manager for gnome?
[07:44] <aljosa> anybody with softmodem here and using kubuntu hoary?
[07:44] <adscadsa> for dammit
[07:45] <adscadsa> when does it every tell you have to update apt-get after chnaging sources
[07:45] <adscadsa> *ever
[07:46] <bob2> Roey: it's not dpkg, but the kernel-image scripts
[07:46] <bob2> you might need to rerun lilo after installing new images, I forget
[07:47] <adscadsa> mm one more question how do I reinstall the windows to the MBR
[07:47] <geneo91> na he dont it uses the newest kernel
[07:47] <adscadsa> thanks bob2
[07:47] <adscadsa> for your previous answers
[07:48] <Echylo> it's world water day!!!!!
[07:48] <geneo91> you dont need windows
[07:48] <adscadsa> oh I get it now
[07:48] <geneo91> just ubuntu
[07:48] <adscadsa> with that image
[07:48] <adscadsa> I play games so no
[07:48] <adscadsa> I do need windows
[07:49] <CoNnEcTeD> anyone else ever experience this....in my browser if i type in www.etcetc.com as oppose to without it... in mozilla it loads quicker...without the www. it takes forever and a day to load the page in tryin to view??
[07:49] <geneo91> na you dont
[07:49] <adscadsa> get break into MS and steal the directx source and make a distro with it incorporated in it
[07:50] <Echylo> how to reconfigure a package?
[07:50] <adscadsa> and I will love you
[07:50] <bob2> Echylo: there's no general way
[07:50] <Echylo> hmm
[07:50] <Echylo> I thought there was command
[07:50] <bob2> Echylo: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah" might do what you want
[07:50] <Echylo> yes ;)
[07:50] <Echylo> that one
[07:50] <Echylo> thank you
[07:50] <geneo91> to mant things wrong with directx
[07:52] <Echylo> hmm I installed proftpd and webmin but I can't retrieve proftpd in webmin :|
[07:52] <adscadsa> hey whats a easy way of finding what kernel you are using
[07:52] <hams> what package do i install for compiler tools again?
[07:52] <Echylo> adscadsa uname -a
[07:52] <adscadsa> kk thanks
[07:52] <Echylo> "uname -a" in a terminal :p :)
[07:52] <geneo91> uname -r
[07:53] <Echylo> a!
[07:53] <Echylo> ok
[07:53] <Echylo> -r just gives the kernel
[07:53] <Echylo> -a gives it all :p
[07:54] <Echylo> now, why doesn't webmin recognizes my proftpd server??
[07:54] <geneo91> he wanted the kernel
[07:54] <bob2> hams: build-essential
[07:54] <Echylo> yeh
[07:55] <geneo91> you jusr wanted him to see all the neat stuff
[07:56] <geneo91> s/jusr/just
[07:56] <pablo928> uname -a in terminal gives me command not found.
[07:57] <geneo91> your not in linux then
[07:57] <pablo928> Hoary] 
[07:57] <pablo928> that's linux right?
[07:58] <geneo91> yes it should work if you rebooted when you updated things
[07:58] <pablo928> No, sorry, this box is still on warty.
[07:59] <pablo928> geneo91:I haven't updated this one yet
[07:59] <geneo91> try sudo uname -r
[08:00] <pablo928> that's what i did.
[08:00] <pablo928> think I need to reboot?
[08:00] <geneo91> oh well you dont need the sudo
[08:01] <geneo91> i have warty here
[08:01] <geneo91> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[08:01] <saber> heh.. i thought ubuntu did not have a root user... it turns out that it does
[08:01] <pablo928> I'll try after I reboot.
[08:02] <saber> sudo passwd <- lets you change the root passwd, and then you can login
[08:02] <bob2> er, of course
[08:02] <bob2> it just has no password
[08:02] <saber> i thought it was completely taken out
[08:03] <geneo91> yes dont be messing around in root or you'll be starting all over
[08:03] <bob2> you can't just take it out
[08:03] <[FiDO] > I'm having a package naming problem ... ubuntu names the packages differently then the source package I'm trying to compile so it doesn't recognize the dependencies is there some way to fix this
[08:03] <bob2> [FiDO] : no, source code does not care about package names
[08:04] <saber> i've been using linux for a while, i think i'll be ok geneo :)
[08:04] <geneo91> saber:  dont sound that way to me
[08:05] <saber> bob: i thought ubuntu built some kind of abstraction layer
[08:05] <[FiDO] > ubuntu calls it python-gtk where the source I'm trying to compile calls it pygtk
[08:05] <[FiDO] > so there is no way I can install it using the ubuntu python packages??
[08:06] <bob2> eh?
[08:06] <bob2> the python module is called pygtk
[08:06] <geneo91> [FiDO] : it is pygtk
[08:07] <[FiDO] > when I try to compile it says something about a PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:07] <geneo91> i have ptchat app here running with it
[08:07] <[FiDO] > it is looking for pygtk but with ubuntu its named python-gtk
[08:08] <bob2> then the program is broken
[08:08] <geneo91> maybe you dont have pygtk installed
[08:08] <SadHatter> Okay. I'm gonna sound really stupid. But, well, how do I login as root so I have administrative priveleges so I can install some drivers?
[08:09] <geneo91> SadHatter:  sudo
[08:09] <Akira> open a root terminal, or use sudo
[08:09] <[FiDO] > pygtk doesn't show up with aptget
[08:09] <DarthFrog> SadHatter: sudo -s
[08:09] <bob2> [FiDO] : blah
[08:09] <bob2> [FiDO] : it's in the python-gtk package
[08:09] <bob2> [FiDO] : the module is called pygtk
[08:09] <SadHatter> When I installed Ubuntu, it never asked me for a root password. Is there a default one?
[08:09] <[FiDO] > ahh I understand lol
[08:10] <bob2> SadHatter: no
[08:10] <DarthFrog> SadHatter: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:10] <bob2> SadHatter: please read the FAQ
[08:10] <geneo91> yup
[08:10] <SadHatter> Ok. sorry. I'll go read it.
[08:10] <[FiDO] > so something must be wrong with the gdesklet source I downloaded
[08:10] <bob2> SadHatter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <geneo91> SadHatter:  you can create one sudo passwd root
[08:12] <geneo91> [FiDO] :  can you export path then try
[08:13] <wingsline> bye everyone, have a nice evening..:)
[08:13] <geneo91> or edit makefile
[08:14] <SadHatter> The installation instructions for the NVidia driver tell me I need to shutdown X. How do I boot ubuntu to just the console then, no X? Is that what I'm supposed to do?
[08:14] <dead|shell> whats the best way to get system info from the livecd im using a 64 bit system
[08:14] <dead|shell> SadHatter, try cntrl alt f1
[08:15] <Akira> Sadhatter: try ctrl alt F1
[08:15] <Akira> beat me to it
[08:15] <dead|shell> just to get a shell out of x
[08:15] <_4strO> and then kill x and gdm
[08:15] <MHaggag> Hi all, a quickie question: How can I change the gnome GUI language from arabic to english?
[08:15] <geneo91> SadHatter:  ctl alt backspace
[08:15] <Tomcat23> Ah, So if what I'm reading from the link Darthfrog just posted, the Root user isn't gone from Ubuntu, it's just that it's recommended that one use sudo for everything...
[08:15] <bob2> SadHatter: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:16] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: Right.
[08:16] <_4strO> MHaggag> on the logon screen
[08:16] <bob2> ignore broken howtos that tell you to shut down
[08:16] <geneo91> MHaggag:  there should be aphlet in gnome pannel that will let you switch
[08:17] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: If you're an experienced Linux user, there's no real reason not to enable the root account.
[08:17] <MHaggag> _4strO: It's there? I know I sound retarded, but I really couldn't make any of the text out! I want to change this because it displayed arabic incorrectly (each character written separately, while arabic characters in general are joint together)
[08:17] <geneo91> or you can add one
[08:17] <MHaggag> Well, I currently want to switch to english to be able to read stuff...currently I can nearly read nothing
[08:17] <bob2> DarthFrog: and no reason to do so, either
[08:18] <Tomcat23> DarthFrog: very much not an experienced user, so I've just been lurking in here reading. About an hour before the ubuntu install torrent comes down.
[08:18] <_4strO> MHaggag> ctrl alt backspace and choose english
[08:18] <DarthFrog> bob2: Yes there is.  As I said, an experienced Linux user.  Which means I can work in Ubuntu as I'm most used to.
[08:18] <MHaggag> Ok, thanks - I'll try that out :)
[08:18] <_4strO> ;)
[08:18] <geneo91> MHaggag:  we can tell by your nick
[08:19] <MHaggag> Tell what? :)
[08:19] <Taleel> MHaggag: CTRL ALT Backspace kills the current instance of your X server, so close all applications before you do that :)
[08:19] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: You'll like Ubuntu, it's very good.  And there's good reasoning behind the sudo issue.
[08:19] <geneo91> you cant read
[08:19] <bob2> ok then!
[08:19] <geneo91> Taleel:  i never do
[08:20] <MHaggag> lol!
[08:20] <MHaggag> I can read *very* well - but first give me readable text! Giving me a string of separate glyphs just doesn't cut it (especially in the case of languages like arabic) :)
[08:20] <geneo91> DarthFrog:  so windows pll cant screw it up
[08:20] <DarthFrog> geneo91: I suppose that's one way of looking at it.  Not a very charitable point of view, though. :-)
[08:21] <geneo91> MHaggag:  j/k its been a long day
[08:21] <MHaggag> I noticed :D
[08:21] <MHaggag> However, I really have to say thanks for the help. Good luck :)
[08:21] <darkgamer20> do i need to download the hoary cd when it comes out to upgrade or can i just do it with apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:22] <Taleel> darkgamer20: you should be able to just change /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. yes.
[08:22] <geneo91> MHaggag:  did you find the aphlet thing
[08:22] <Taleel> that's the beauty of the Debian package management that's lying underneath Ubuntu
[08:22] <bob2> darkgamer20: you can upgrade
[08:23] <MHaggag> I'm on windows right now, and I'm doing a couple of things, after which I'll reboot and look for it :)
[08:24] <pinPoint> hello fellow jungle explorers!
[08:24] <Tomcat23> Does anyone have a good link that explains what teh common linux directories are? Like what goes into /etc, /bin /sbin, etc....?
[08:24] <pinPoint> :P
[08:24] <darkgamer20> Taleel: so if i have the 4.10 warty cds don't i need the 5.4 hoary (when it comes out) cds to upgrade i just edit sources.lst for start updating for 5.4 and then do apt-get update/dist-update?
[08:24] <darkgamer20> *dist-upgrade
[08:24] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
[08:25] <Taleel> darkgamer20: be prepare to download a *lot* of packages, though. I did a test upgrade and it pulled about 700 MB of packages from the server :)
[08:25] <darkgamer20> i just need comfirmation
[08:25] <darkgamer20> really why?
[08:25] <Taleel> because on that test system I had a lot of stuff installed
[08:25] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  you need tree
[08:25] <Taleel> it's basically a clone of my work machine
[08:25] <darkgamer20> oh ok
[08:26] <geneo91> that will show you all
[08:26] <darkgamer20> Taleel: you are now on 5.04?
[08:26] <Taleel> darkgamer20: just on the test installation (running in VMware)
[08:26] <darkgamer20> Taleel: if you are how is it?
[08:26] <Taleel> For my production systems both at work and at home I'm waiting for the Hoary release
[08:27] <darkgamer20> Taleel: thanks man i really appreciate the help
[08:27] <darkgamer20> :)
[08:27] <Taleel> darkgamer20: I didn't test it very much yet. It looked very nice, though.
[08:27] <darkgamer20> one more thing
[08:27] <darkgamer20> should i install warty or wait for hoary?
[08:27] <brad[] > Not that I'm ignoring the wiki or anything, but are there any repositories with prebuilt java/flash?
[08:28] <Tomcat23> DarthFrog, the force be wit'cha. Thx for the link.
[08:28] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: Welcome to the Light Side of The Force, young padawan. :-)
[08:29] <bob2> brad[] : wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:29] <Taleel> darkgamer20: depends how urgent you need an Ubuntu system. Hoary is supposed to be released on April 6th
[08:30] <darkgamer20> ok so it will be the same if i edit apt and update it right?
[08:30] <geneo91> Taleel:  i thought that was RC1
[08:30] <Taleel> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[08:30] <spacey> updating is probably more work then install preview now
[08:30] <darkgamer20> geneo91: think that had been released already
[08:31] <Akira> the april 6th release, is that the one they are shipping out?
[08:31] <darkgamer20> also what do you guys think about ubuntu for server use?
[08:31] <geneo91> darkgamer20:  march 30 is cut off date and just bug fixes after
[08:32] <darkgamer20> cut off for what?
[08:32] <Taleel> darkgamer20: doing an install from a hoary CD, either preview or final, will probably be less work
[08:32] <geneo91> adding stuff
[08:32] <geneo91> or making changes
[08:33] <darkgamer20> Taleel: thanks for if i asked you too many questions about the same thing, i just wanted to comfirm , and i am a lttle slow today for some reason.
[08:33] <geneo91> Taleel:  its 340 mb without openoffice and emacs from warty
[08:33] <Taleel> darkgamer20: no prob, you're welcome :)
[08:34] <darkgamer20> i like the ubuntu community
[08:34] <Taleel> geneo91: as I said, my test upgrade was from a clone of my work machine. That includes OpenOffice and a lot of other stuff
[08:34] <Akira> but open office owns
[08:34] <Akira> becoming better than ms office
[08:34] <Akira> well not becoming anymore
[08:34] <Akira> it it
[08:34] <Akira> is
[08:35] <Taleel> darkgamer20: well, "Ubuntu" means "humanity to others" :-)
[08:35] <geneo91> M$ crap is to much the same ole crap
[08:35] <darkgamer20> Taleel: thank you very very very much
[08:35] <darkgamer20> see you everybody
[08:36] <syn-ack> Not to dissapoint anyone, but I still like Office better than OOo
[08:36] <geneo91> Taleel:  the warty i had shiped to me wasn't final
[08:36] <Taleel> geneo91: I see
[08:37] <Taleel> geneo91: I jumped on the bandwagon about one month after the warty release and downloaded the ISO image via bittorrent
[08:37] <geneo91> 132 mb to update that
[08:37] <Taleel> geneo91: that could have been just the usual slew of bug fixes and security patches
[08:38] <geneo91> well i had it long before it was shiped also
[08:38] <Taleel> I think I did as much updates after I installed from the CD, but I'm not sure
[08:38] <Akira> syn-ack: Why?
[08:38] <omniscient> hey guys whats that thing you type to send a programs stderr to stdout?
[08:38] <omniscient> $< something
[08:38] <omniscient> &< even
[08:38] <Taleel> omniscient: /usr/bin/something 2>&1
[08:38] <omniscient> ah ty
[08:38] <geneo91> i have a newer cd i made myself thats final
[08:39] <omniscient> i hate printers.
[08:39] <omniscient> when somethings wrong i never know if its the software or the printer :|
[08:39] <Taleel> omniscient: oh yes. printing - one of the last unsolved mysteries of the universe :-(
[08:40] <omniscient> one day maybe you just push the print button and BAM you got a paper with printed stuff
[08:40] <geneo91> paper and pencil work just fine
[08:40] <omniscient> none of this "errrrr eeeeeeeek de dooooooooooo" *more random printer noises* then nothing
[08:40] <omniscient> no more noise, no printed document
[08:40] <omniscient> nothing
[08:40] <geneo91> smart paper no printer
[08:41] <omniscient> these days hand writing your resume isnt very professional :(
[08:42] <geneo91> no but aleast they know you can write
[08:42] <NormD> hrrm...I guess that's part of the joy of postscript...I've not had a problem with an old HP lj5m...cheap, cheap toner, good reliable duty...
[08:42] <Akira> im using a 10 year old printer
[08:42] <geneo91> hehe
[08:42] <Akira> does the job
[08:43] <Tomcat23> Anyone know where ubuntu stands with JACK? http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ On the CD? I don't see it listed in the dpkg list of the ubuntu faq. Is it available through synaptic?
[08:43] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  yes its there
[08:44] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  you have all the repositories enabled
[08:44] <Taleel> Tomcat23: it's in "universe", thus available, but relatively unsupported
[08:44] <hap0> Well I've submitted a bug report, posted to the forums and the mailing list. I've done my part for the evening. Time to get some sleep.
[08:44] <Tomcat23> Ok, cool. I want to get terminatorX up... damn silly app has made me install linux in the first place (and having a lot of old hardware lying round.)
[08:44] <Tomcat23> It's one of the programs that uses JACk
[08:45] <Taleel> Tomcat23: terminatorX is also in universe
[08:45] <geneo91> tahorg:  dont that use aspecial kernel
[08:45] <Tomcat23> Thx, Taleel.
[08:45] <hap0> Goodnight then. /quit
[08:46] <Ubunovice> I've been trying to install the nvidia display drivers but without success. I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111 , but even the first step doesn't work for me. If I run the command it tells me that the package is either missing or obselete. If I use synaptic, I can't find anything that has linux-source. I'm totally perplexed.
[08:46] <geneo91> Taleel:  mandrake uses multimedia kernel for jack
[08:47] <Taleel> geneo91: I have never used jack nor terminatorX, so I don't know if you need a special kernel
[08:47] <Akira> what is jack?
[08:47] <Tomcat23> I do have another question (disclaimer: newbie here) I see that synaptic is a front-end for dpkg... is there a difference between dpkg and apt-get? Can you freely use both?
[08:47] <geneo91> kernel org has the patches for it
[08:48] <geneo91> synaptic is frontend for apt
[08:48] <Tomcat23> Hmmn, geneo91, maybe I'll need to install mandrake on the box that I set up for that one then... but I think ubuntu is going to work for me in general.
[08:49] <Akira> Tomcat23: dpkg allows to install .deb files, while apt-get pulls from repositories
[08:49] <Akira> then installs
[08:49] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  well i shy away from mandrake unless your a club member
[08:49] <Taleel> Tomcat23: dpkg is the core of the package system. apt-get is the mechanism that pulls the packages from a server or CD. synaptic, dselect, aptitude etc. are the frontends that make selecting and deselecting packages easier
[08:49] <Tomcat23> Ah, ok... synaptic = apt, got it.
[08:51] <membreya> ello Echylo :)
[08:51] <HostingGeek> sad news everyone Amaranth's menu editor wont make it unless someone fixes PyXDG on time
[08:51] <Echylo> hey
[08:51] <Tomcat23> Ok, I think I understand... You can point synaptic at a .deb file you've downloaded then?
[08:51] <geneo91> Taleel:  jack is a multimedia thing that uses low level hardware
[08:51] <Echylo> I'm on school
[08:51] <Echylo> windows : &
[08:51] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: ffs, stop
[08:51] <Echylo> :p
[08:51] <Initri> Hi.. anyone have a few minutes to help with some Ubuntu newbie questions ?:P
[08:51] <Echylo> yes
[08:51] <Echylo> I do
[08:51] <Echylo> Initri, shoot your questions :p
[08:51] <Echylo> (as long as it are newbie questions, I can help)
[08:52] <Initri> I fscked my Woody box on Debian.. (apt-get update/upgrade to Sarge.. ouch) -- so, I'm considering Ubuntu as I'm building a new box..
[08:52] <Echylo> uhu
[08:52] <Initri> ..should I go that route vs. a stock Debian install ? - and if so, which version is the latest stable (Horay or Warty) ?
[08:52] <Taleel> Tomcat23: let me check. usually you just do sudo dpkg -i foobar.deb
[08:52] <Echylo> hoary is pretty stable
[08:52] <Initri> [I wasn't paying attention!] 
[08:52] <Echylo> hoary is the last release
[08:52] <Initri> It's going to be a server.
[08:52] <jdub> Amaranth: is HostingGeek being a problem (i have him/her on /ignore)
[08:52] <Echylo> hmm
[08:52] <Initri> (private)
[08:52] <Echylo> I don't have experience with servers, but I think hoary will do just fine
[08:52] <Initri> (Apache/PHP/Mysql/Postfix)
[08:53] <Echylo> as it has the latest security fixes & updates of programs
[08:53] <Amaranth> jdub: Just blabbing something I told him in every Ubuntu related channel he can find.
[08:53] <jdub> Initri: hoary is still pre-release, but it's pretty robust.
[08:53] <Initri> Now it's completely Debian based, right ? - so all of my apt-get stuff will work the same ?
[08:53] <jdub> Initri: i'm running it on my home server and my linode vm.
[08:53] <Taleel> Initri: for a server, Debian might be the better choice, since a lot of server-related stuff in Ubuntu is in "universe", thus relatively unsupported
[08:53] <Echylo> Initri, ye
[08:53] <jdub> Initri: ubuntu has separate repositories (don't mix packages), but yes, it's much the same as debian.
[08:53] <Initri> Taleel:  Such as ?
[08:54] <packetgod> So should I install the preview release or wait for the final version?
[08:54] <jdub> Taleel: not really, most of the important stuff is in main
[08:54] <jsgotangco> just wait for the final its just a few days away anyway
[08:54] <membreya> Echylo: did you see http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ ???
[08:54] <Echylo> no, what's wrong?
[08:54] <paulproteus> Initri: For me, I'd stick with Debian Sarge.
[08:54] <paulproteus> Initri: Of course, I have a server on Debian Sarge right now.
[08:54] <membreya> visit it :)
[08:54] <Initri> Let me define server:  I run PHP, Apache, MySQL, Samba, Postfix, and a small handful of other things at home - it's my development box (Programmer).
[08:54] <Echylo> ooh :)
[08:54] <Echylo> I wasn't using it anyway
[08:54] <jsgotangco> hello membreya :D
[08:55] <membreya> hey jsgotangco :)
[08:55] <Initri> However, I would also like the ability since I'm using updated equipment to have a GUI environment available as well.
[08:55] <Echylo> lel, that's a reason to hate microsof
[08:55] <Echylo> stupid patent wars
[08:55] <Taleel> Initri + jdub: I have all my servers running on Debian sarge, so maybe I'm biased :)
[08:55] <membreya> Echylo: the EU started it!
[08:55] <Initri> Patents are good..
[08:55] <Initri> ..software patents SUCK.
[08:55] <jsgotangco> copyrights are good patents suck
[08:55] <omniscient> damn printers not supported :(
[08:56] <paulproteus> Feel free to set up an Ubuntu-based server.  I think it's a fairly reasonable idea,
[08:56] <Taleel> Initri: in that case just use the distro you're most familiar with. those services are all supported just fine on Ubuntu
[08:56] <Initri> *Ponders*
[08:56] <paulproteus> Make *sure* to keep dist-upgrading to Hoary until it's released, and applying security updates.
[08:56] <paulproteus> Initri: The nice thing about Ubuntu is releases.
[08:56] <jsgotangco> theres a perception that Ubuntu is generally a desktop distro
[08:56] <jsgotangco> but its not
[08:56] <paulproteus> They happen, basically. :)
[08:56] <Tomcat23> Taleel: Thx, I am sure I would have seen that command in the docs and figured it out. Just trying to understand what I'm getting into with synaptic. (Have gotten gentoo up, but 'emerge' just don't cut it for me..)
[08:56] <Initri> Debian = slooooow.
[08:56] <paulproteus> Initri: Eh?
[08:56] <geneo91> omniscient:  what printer you have
[08:56] <membreya> wtf ...THIRD day in a row and no hoary updates >:(
[08:57] <Initri> Paul: (on updates)
[08:57] <omniscient> canon i965
[08:57] <jsgotangco> huh?
[08:57] <jsgotangco> membreya: just updated hours ago
[08:57] <paulproteus> Initri: Oh, right.  Indeed.
[08:57] <membreya> no updates for me :|
[08:57] <Initri> I've got a mess of stuff to do.. got a WRTG54GS to play with too :P
[08:57] <jsgotangco> just updated yesterday as well
[08:57] <membreya> Initri: did you just hit random keys? :|
[08:57] <paulproteus> Initri: My recommendation:
[08:57] <paulproteus> Install Hoary.
[08:57] <paulproteus> dist-upgrade regularly until the release hits.
[08:58] <Initri> [All] :  So, Ubunto would be OK for me to use as a server, is a different Debian flavor, and I might learn something new and have some fun and should work for me just fine ?
[08:58] <paulproteus> Then you'll only have security updates to worry about.
[08:58] <paulproteus> Initri: OK as server?  Yes.  Diff. Debian flavor?  Yes.  Learn something new?  Probably.  Have fun and work fine?  Likely.
[08:58] <geneo91> omniscient:  is that old
[08:58] <Initri> Paul:  What's wrong with apt-get update/upgrade ? - I've never really used dist-upgrade.
[08:58] <packetgod> Can you do a non x-windows install of Ubunto?  If so then you bet for servers, if no then skip it
[08:58] <Echylo> initri
[08:58] <Echylo> you beter should :p
[08:59] <Initri> Packet:  I'm interested in having X installed as well -- I'll just start & stop it manually.
[08:59] <membreya> packetgod: yes you can
[08:59] <Echylo> in ubuntu ofcourse :)
[08:59] <omniscient> geneo91, newish.. mid last year it was baught and it was fairly new thing i think
[08:59] <omniscient> i don't know
[08:59] <membreya> just type server
[08:59] <membreya> when the install comes up
[08:59] <omniscient> it's a friends printer im just borrowing
[08:59] <paulproteus> Initri: dist-upgrade brings in fresh dependencies, too.
[08:59] <packetgod> Well then no worries, cause it is still debian underneath and it is one of the most stable server platforms out there
[08:59] <geneo91> packetgod:  yes you can
[08:59] <Initri> Hey - thanks guys, I *really* appreciate the tips :) -- very friendly community, not always the case when hitting IRC for info :))  I might just have to come hang out in here sometime :P
[09:00] <Ubunovice> I try to install soemthing through synaptic, but it tells me it is dependant on dpatch, which is non-installable. What am I doing wrong?
[09:00] <Echylo> like I do ^^
[09:00] <paulproteus> Initri: Great, see you soon. :)
[09:00] <Echylo> this is a great channel
[09:00] <Tomcat23> Yeah, y'all've been great with helping folks
[09:00] <membreya> Initri: sorry, the "regulars" spots are all full, you'll need to sign up and wait for a spot to open
[09:00] <Initri> [All] :  Thanks for the help!  Take care guys.  I'm gonna give Hoary a try.
[09:00] <paulproteus> Ubunovice: What are you trying to install?
[09:00] <Echylo> :)
[09:00] <membreya> :P
[09:00] <Ubunovice> nvidia-kernel-source
[09:00] <Echylo> you can have membreya's spot
[09:01] <Initri> Cool :P
[09:01] <Initri> :)
[09:01] <Echylo> we don't need him anyway :p
[09:01] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:01] <Initri> I was just going to say.. :P
[09:01] <membreya> hmpf!
[09:01] <Initri> <-- loggin.
[09:01] <Initri> Thanks again :)
[09:01] <Initri> Bye.
[09:01] <Echylo> :)
[09:01] <Echylo> bye
[09:01] <membreya> Echylo: is an active idler..says lots but doesn't end up saying a thing
[09:01] <packetgod> This is one serious active IRC chanel... impressive
[09:01] <membreya> :P
[09:01] <jsgotangco>  it is pretty active aye
[09:02] <jsgotangco> omniscient: are you coming for Ubuntu Down Under?
[09:02] <membreya> omniscient: it's sydney..of course it's "hot" gear :)
[09:02] <omniscient> if you live in sydney (au) its down by central station, sells books like half the price you get in a bookstore
[09:02] <geneo91> packetgod:  wonder over to #kubuntu also
[09:02] <omniscient> jsgotangco, whats that :)
[09:02] <Ubunovice> paulproteus: I'm trying to install nvidia-kernel-source
[09:02] <jsgotangco> eh?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> heheh
[09:02] <packetgod> Yeah, I'm a gnome fan personally :)
[09:02] <membreya> jsgotangco: isn't ubuntu down under being held in nz?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> i'll take that as a yes
[09:03] <jsgotangco> no its in Sydney
[09:03] <membreya> oooooooooooooh :)
[09:03] <jdub> membreya: that's linux.conf.au 2006
[09:03] <Echylo> membreya, what did you said ? :p
[09:03] <membreya> oh ok :)
[09:03] <jsgotangco> i'll be going there
[09:03] <Echylo> I say alot :p
[09:03] <omniscient> hrm, where in sydney?
[09:03] <omniscient> linkage?
[09:03] <membreya> yup Echylo :D
[09:03] <jsgotangco> rushcutters
[09:03] <Echylo> hmm
[09:03] <jdub> omniscient: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[09:03] <membreya> if it's not too soon, I might have to fly up to laugh at the nerds :)
[09:03] <Echylo> yea actually, many of sentences don't make sense
[09:03] <jdub> omniscient: a hotel in rushcutters bay
[09:03] <paulproteus> Ubunovice: Not sure, bout to go to sleep I'm afraid.
[09:03] <paulproteus> Good night, all.
[09:03] <Echylo> like that one
[09:03] <Echylo> and this one
[09:04] <jsgotangco> well just drop by
[09:04] <jsgotangco> its open to the public anyway
[09:04] <jdub> omniscient: i'm speaking at slug on april 1st too
[09:04] <jsgotangco> a day or two wont hurt if youre in the area
[09:04] <jsgotangco> you can get to rant to the developers hehe
[09:05] <omniscient> my old teacher goes to slug
[09:05] <Amaranth> jdub: If a new version of PyXDG came out in the next few days that fixed a sortof bad bug would it stand a chance of getting into hoary?
[09:05] <membreya> omniscient: you don't go to swapmeets?
[09:05] <jdub> omniscient: geoffrey robertson?
[09:05] <omniscient> yeah ;)
[09:05] <jsgotangco> small world
[09:05] <omniscient> i did his intro course and started his php/cisco ones but then got accepted for a diploma
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[09:05] <geneo91> you have young teacher also
[09:06] <jdub> Amaranth: possibly - if you take a stab at upgrading the package and verify that it works, we could update
[09:06] <omniscient> membreya, no i dont
[09:06] <packetgod> php/cisco?  Sounds like fun
[09:06] <membreya> omniscient: .....hmmmm :| odd
[09:06] <omniscient> i want to go to those kind of things but i dont know what they are half the time
[09:06] <jdub> omniscient: at granville or north sydney?
[09:06] <omniscient> and none of my mates are into this stuff
[09:06] <membreya> going to a swapmeet in 2 weeks time to pick me up a 200gb SATA
[09:06] <omniscient> jdub granville
[09:07] <Amaranth> jdub: I'd definately be upgrading the package and verifying, my menu editor would depend on the fix I'm hoping someone figures out. :)
[09:07] <jdub> omniscient: whenabouts? i might've given a guest lecture while you were there ;)
[09:07] <jdub> L
[09:07] <omniscient> ah i did his intro last year, last semester
[09:07] <omniscient> no guest speakers
[09:07] <Amaranth> jdub: only one app in hoary even seems to depend on it
[09:07] <jdub> hrm, not my mutt window
[09:08] <omniscient> if you've spoken this year i missed it, cos i left
[09:08] <omniscient> he was getting someone to come and speak about something for his php class
[09:08] <omniscient> was that you?
[09:08] <flames> hi, i start the ubuntu 5.04 live cd, but mouse does not work, i changed my xorg.conf, how can i apply the changes?
[09:08] <jdub> nah, wasn't this year
[09:08] <Echylo> ctrl alt backspace ?
[09:08] <Echylo> flames?
[09:08] <Echylo> don't shoot me if it doesn't work
[09:08] <will> flames
[09:09] <omniscient> jdub, geoff gave me the ubuntu cd i use to install this
[09:09] <flames> ok, ctrl alt backspace, i get a command line
[09:09] <omniscient> hes a ubuntu cd spammer i tell you
[09:09] <flames> and now?
[09:09] <omniscient> ihave like 3 or 4 of them
[09:09] <Echylo> startx
[09:09] <geneo91> Echylo:  have tried it with live cd
[09:09] <Echylo> ?
[09:10] <Echylo> what geneo91?
[09:10] <jdub> omniscient: uh huh ;)
[09:10] <jdub> omniscient: i'm his dealer ;)
[09:10] <omniscient> haha
[09:10] <omniscient> he has a cupboard full!
[09:10] <geneo91> ctrl alt backspace
[09:10] <will> flames: at the command line, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:11] <will> then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:11] <Echylo> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:11] <Echylo> ;)
[09:11] <will> exactly!
[09:11] <Echylo> :p
[09:12] <Echylo> wb
[09:12] <flames> thx, i try these tips
[09:12] <will> lovely gnome display manager
[09:13] <membreya> hmm, just went into synaptic and it said my package information was out of date... i reloaded it but most things were 0bytes :|
[09:13] <Ubunovice> What is dpatch and how do I install the package? It's a dependency for some nvidia thing but synaptic can't find it.
[09:14] <geneo91> Ubunovice:  you have all the repositories enabled
[09:14] <Taleel> dpatch is in the main Ubuntu repository
[09:15] <packetgod> night all
[09:15] <Ubunovice> geneo91: Do you mean I have them all enabled and that's bad or I should have them all enabled?
[09:15] <Taleel> Ubunovice: you said that your update didn't work. do you use a proxy server? maybe you have to clear the proxy server's cache so the synaptic update gets complete files?
[09:16] <Ubunovice> I don't use a proxy.
[09:16] <Taleel> any error messages?
[09:16] <Ubunovice> I'm just trying to follow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111
[09:16] <ells> anyone familiar with using acidrip. Trying to get the settings right
[09:16] <Echylo> Ubunovice, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:17] <geneo91> yea they should be enabled
[09:17] <Ruby> Hello :)
[09:19] <Ubunovice> Echylo: Thanks. Thier guide seems more logical.
[09:19] <Ruby> Can any one help me with ubuntu hoary installation? at the end of the second stage, it says "setting up X-server" or "starting X-server" or something like that, and freezes... what shuld i do?
[09:20] <Echylo> hehe :)
[09:20] <Echylo> ruby try to boot with another kernel
[09:20] <Echylo> don't know which one
[09:20] <Ubunovice> Now I get stuck on 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings'. Says it's unavailable but referred to by another. It adds that it may be missing or obselete.
[09:20] <Echylo> but I think it was kernel related
[09:20] <HappyPills> hmm... any idea how to batch rename files? I wish to add a '0' to a bunch of images...
[09:20] <Echylo> Ubunovice, have you did sudo apt-get update
[09:20] <Ruby> your talking to an absolute noob :( i dont have a clue how to do that
[09:20] <jnoon> is there a known issue with some routers not working well with the 2.6 kernel?  my dlink gives me the router ip as the dns, but it doesnt work.  if i manully enter the dns servers everything is fine
[09:20] <membreya> HappyPills: mrename
[09:21] <Ubunovice> Echylo: I have.
[09:21] <HappyPills> thanks
[09:21] <HappyPills> I love apt-get sometimes
[09:21] <jiyuu0|work> Ubunovice, how about have u modify the sources file?
[09:21] <membreya> HappyPills: make sure you man it :)
[09:22] <HappyPills> pfft, I never read instructions!
[09:22] <Echylo> Ubunovice, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:22] <Echylo> remove the #
[09:22] <Ubunovice> jiyuu0|work: What exactly does that mean?
[09:22] <HappyPills> I'll just copy the files elsewhere first =)
[09:22] <pinPoint> any idea why audio is out of sync in videos and dvs
[09:22] <Echylo> before universe etc
[09:22] <pinPoint> dvds*
[09:22] <Echylo> wait a sec
[09:22] <jiyuu0|work> Ubunovice, Echylo just reply to it
[09:22] <jsgotangco> pinPoint: Hoary?
[09:22] <membreya> HappyPills: caveat emptor
[09:22] <Ubunovice> okay. it's in gedit.
[09:22] <Echylo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:22] <Ubunovice> Now what?
[09:22] <HappyPills> everybody says that to me
[09:22] <Ubunovice> ok
[09:23] <membreya> lol HappyPills :P
[09:23] <pinPoint> jsgotangco: ya
[09:23] <Ruby> Echylo, how am i suposed to do that? what kernel? im confused :( i have only used mandrake for a month... newbie here :(
[09:23] <Echylo> well if you reboot
[09:24] <Echylo> you normally get alot of choises ?
[09:24] <Ruby> 4 ubuntu choises and one windows
[09:24] <Echylo> hmm
[09:24] <Echylo> which ?
[09:24] <Echylo> msg them me
[09:24] <Echylo> or post them in #flood
[09:24] <Ruby> like 2 default and 2 regular
[09:24] <geneo91> yes
[09:24] <membreya> Ruby: boot the top one
[09:25] <Echylo> he probably does membreya
[09:25] <membreya> :)
[09:25] <Echylo> cause that's the default one
[09:25] <Ruby> i have... at the end the screen goes black...
[09:25] <Ubunovice> Wonderful! It installed nvidia-settings. Thank you.
[09:25] <Echylo> great!
[09:26] <GNAM> on the air the flavour of ubutu final
[09:26] <GNAM> ubuntu :P
[09:26] <geneo91> you are
[09:26] <Echylo> have you tried to update hoary Ruby?
[09:26] <Ruby> also tried running recovery mode and executing /usr/X11R6/bin/X ... same resoult... the screen goes black/...
[09:26] <jsgotangco> pinPoint: mine does that too, but Im not sure why i cant say if its the codecs either
[09:26] <Ruby> what do you mean?
[09:26] <Echylo> ruby how did you installed hoary?
[09:26] <geneo91> wrong window
[09:26] <Echylo> with the iso cd?
[09:26] <Ruby> yeah
[09:26] <Echylo> well
[09:26] <Echylo> go to a command line
[09:27] <Echylo> and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:27] <Echylo> or sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:27] <jnoon> my router gives me the router ip as the dns server, but it doesnt work.  if i manully enter the dns servers everything is fine.  is there any known bug about this?
[09:27] <membreya> what's that damn package that does net streaming for radio ?
[09:27] <membreya> box
[09:27] <membreya> something
[09:27] <Ruby> it will work without setting the  sources list?
[09:27] <Echylo> rhythmbox?
[09:28] <membreya> aaah :D
[09:28] <Echylo> the sources list should be set to hoary
[09:28] <theDragon> Hello
[09:28] <theDragon> I am having a bit of a problem:
[09:28] <Echylo> membreya, that was non sense sentence so don't read it :p
[09:28] <membreya> :P
[09:28] <Ruby> ok... going to try...
[09:28] <Ruby> thanks
[09:28] <theDragon> I can not boot back into windows, and I am not sure what to change in my grub menu to make it work
[09:28] <Echylo> np
[09:28] <theDragon> I have like a million combos, none work
[09:28] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, have u tried hoary preview?
[09:29] <Echylo> jiyuu0|work I have hoary :)
[09:29] <Echylo> not the cd
[09:29] <jiyuu0|work> how's it?
[09:29] <jiyuu0|work> many changes?
[09:29] <Echylo> but I upgraded from wwarty
[09:29] <Echylo> yes
[09:29] <Echylo> no
[09:29] <Echylo> but
[09:29] <theDragon> ...
[09:29] <pinPoint> 'There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg'
[09:29] <pinPoint> what is that?
[09:29] <Echylo> you have the latest updates, and it's pretty stable so :)
[09:29] <nvashi2> hey upgrading from warty to hoary or try :)
[09:29] <Echylo> thedragon, you'll need to add an entry for windows
[09:29] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, it still can't mix wif debian repo right?
[09:29] <theDragon> yes
[09:29] <theDragon> I have many
[09:29] <theDragon> because I cannot figure why it won't boot
[09:29] <Echylo> no I don't think so
[09:30] <theDragon> the default one gives me the 0x7 error
[09:30] <flames> mouse work fine, hooray! :-) thx for help
[09:30] <flames> bye
[09:30] <Echylo> ;)
[09:30] <Echylo> cya
[09:30] <geneo91> oh boy maybe windows aint there no more
[09:30] <Echylo> euhm the dragon
[09:30] <Echylo> I don't know what is the entry you putted into your menu.lst
[09:30] <theDragon> lemme show you the main one
[09:30] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, heard can't edit the menu item... issit true?
[09:30] <Echylo> yes
[09:31] <Echylo> thedragon msg it to me , or post it on www.pastebin.com
[09:31] <nvashi2> whoa 973 files to be upgraded
[09:31] <theDragon> title   Windows Nt/2000/XP          root (hd0,0)      savedefault    makeactive     chainloader +!
[09:31] <Echylo> or #flood
[09:31] <membreya> damn rhythmbox and its small list of radio servers and yes I know I can edit the file ..but it's a matter of getting a list of stations
[09:31] <theDragon> that's a +1
[09:31] <Echylo> damn
[09:31] <Echylo> yes nvashi2 :P
[09:31] <[FiDO] > has anyone here used gdesklets
[09:31] <Echylo> I did
[09:31] <jsgotangco> whats that a hoary upgrade? hehehe
[09:31] <theDragon> and it says unrecognized filesystem
[09:31] <Echylo> hmm
[09:32] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, so how do u add a item into the menu?
[09:32] <Echylo> you don't ;)
[09:32] <Echylo> U just have to wait until they release a program for that
[09:32] <jiyuu0|work> why can't gnome make the menu like kde
[09:32] <Echylo> I'm not a gnome/kde expert
[09:32] <Echylo> ;)
[09:32] <theDragon> and all my other combos in the menu.lst file just make grub hang
[09:33] <nvashi2> I guess I could have just used the cd to install it from scratch
[09:33] <nvashi2> but this seemed more fun
[09:33] <Echylo> theDragon check this http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[09:33] <geneo91> Echylo:  there is a temp fix posted on wiki
[09:33] <Echylo> for the menu?
[09:34] <geneo91> yes
[09:34] <membreya> why oh why would you want to add windows :(
[09:34] <Echylo> oh ok
[09:34] <membreya> windows makes baby jesus cry
[09:34] <Echylo> membreya, baby jesus cries anyway
[09:35] <membreya> :P there you go again Echylo with that "chat" :P
[09:35] <Echylo> so if they need windows, help them ;)
[09:35] <Echylo> hey I'm helping people no?
[09:35] <membreya> :P
[09:35] <membreya> i know, but I like to razz ya :P
[09:35] <nvashi2> why not let windows be on a seperate machine
[09:35] <Echylo> yea I know
[09:35] <Echylo> :p
[09:35] <theDragon> well linux makes baby newbs like me cry
[09:35] <geneo91> membreya:  i think he wrote over his windows when he installed
[09:35] <Echylo> theDragon, have you checked the site?
[09:36] <theDragon> ya, its rebooting now
[09:36] <jiyuu0|work> if only ubuntu got a resize partition tool during install
[09:36] <theDragon> lemme see what it does
[09:36] <Echylo> that would be great geneo91 :P
[09:36] <membreya> theDragon: it's a fun learning curve..my head hasn't worked this much in years with computers :)
[09:36] <theDragon> says "Filesystem type unknown, partition typ 0x7"
[09:36] <theDragon> again
[09:36] <theDragon> arg
[09:36] <Echylo> then be happy
[09:36] <Echylo> you lost your windows
[09:36] <geneo91> if its not listed in grub after install you have no more windows
[09:37] <theDragon> hah
[09:37] <Echylo> and don't blame ubuntu, it worked fine here
[09:37] <Echylo> :p
[09:37] <theDragon> yea, I know
[09:37] <theDragon> it works fine for everyone else _except_ me, as usual
[09:37] <theDragon> :S
[09:37] <Echylo> can you acces your windows partition?
[09:37] <theDragon> if I make it rootnoverify I don't get that error
[09:37] <membreya> world's against you huh theDragon ?
[09:37] <theDragon> but now it hangs
[09:37] <Echylo> membreya ....
[09:38] <theDragon> yea, it sees it
[09:38] <Echylo> you are really supportive today
[09:38] <membreya> :D
[09:38] <theDragon> but I cannot boot it
[09:38] <membreya> Echylo: working 9 am starts and living on 4 hours sleep a night
[09:38] <Echylo> well It will always sees it
[09:38] <geneo91> theDragon:  do a df -h
[09:38] <Echylo> that's the title
[09:38] <Echylo> membreya you say that all the time
[09:38] <Echylo> :P
[09:38] <membreya> theDragon: can you mount the windows partition in ubuntu ?
[09:38] <Echylo> wb Ruby
[09:38] <nvashi2> 5% done
[09:38] <theDragon> yea I could try
[09:38] <Echylo> lel
[09:38] <Echylo> nvashi2 how much time left?
[09:38] <theDragon> hold on, loading up my menu.lst again
[09:38] <DemisM> what is the text init level for ubuntu?
[09:39] <bob2> DemisM: make one
[09:39] <bob2> (ie this isn't redhat, run leveles 2-5 are identical by default)
[09:39] <DemisM> oh ok
[09:39] <Echylo> bob2, can you make your own init levels?
[09:39] <theDragon> damnit again
[09:39] <bob2> Echylo: sure
[09:39] <membreya> what's wrong theDragon ?
[09:39] <bob2> Echylo: well, you can edit the existing ones
[09:39] <theDragon> I made a change and it just hangs, again... hmmm
[09:39] <Echylo> thedragon, try to mount the windows partition!
[09:39] <theDragon> I am puzzled
[09:39] <theDragon> ok ok
[09:39] <DemisM> how can I make one or config so that gdm doesn't automatically start up
[09:40] <Echylo> bob2, you can't "add" one?
[09:40] <ells> anyone know much about acidrip
[09:40] <bob2> Echylo: not without patching init
[09:40] <theDragon> loading into linux, 1 min
[09:40] <bob2> Echylo: do you need more than 4?
[09:40] <Echylo> ok :)
[09:40] <Echylo> no :p
[09:40] <Echylo> but just wondering
[09:40] <nvashi2> just hit 400
[09:40] <bob2> DemisM: rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm
[09:40] <DemisM> why would I delete it, can I just chg its name?
[09:41] <nvashi2> kewl 502
[09:41] <bob2> DemisM: sure
[09:41] <bob2> there's no reason not to delete it, tho
[09:41] <bob2> it's just a symlink
[09:42] <nvashi2> guess I will do my nvidia card next
[09:42] <theDragon> ok
[09:42] <theDragon> I am looking at all my windows stuff now
[09:42] <theDragon> its all there
[09:43] <Echylo> hmm
[09:43] <nvashi2> theDragon: nice
[09:43] <theDragon> yes, now if only it would _boot_
[09:43] <Echylo> have you chosen the right partition to boot?
[09:43] <Ubunovice> How do I edit xorg.conf? It's read only, because X is running.
[09:43] <Echylo> Ubunovice
[09:43] <Echylo> don't know sure but
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> Ubunovice: it's read only because you don't have permissions
[09:43] <theDragon> yes
[09:43] <theDragon> hda1
[09:43] <Echylo> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:43] <theDragon> which is on hd0,0
[09:43] <Echylo> hmm
[09:44] <Echylo> tried hd0,1 ?
[09:44] <Ubunovice> Oh I see. I'll sudo -s then.
[09:44] <ells> does anyone know about burning dvds in linux
[09:44] <theDragon> no... I will, need to edit, sec
[09:44] <Echylo> yup ;)
[09:44] <DemisM> bob2, k thank you :)
[09:44] <pinPoint> how come xmms or xine wont play mp3 streams nor mp3 files?
[09:44] <pinPoint> how come?
[09:44] <Echylo> change your preferences
[09:44] <Echylo> change the soundserver to esound
[09:44] <Echylo> oh
[09:45] <pinPoint> it plays cds
[09:45] <Echylo> oh
[09:45] <Echylo> hmm
[09:45] <geneo91> Echylo:  if it xp it use dos for boot
[09:45] <pinPoint> but not mp3
[09:45] <pinPoint> it is esound
[09:45] <Echylo> geneo91, nothing wrong with trying
[09:45] <bob2> pinPoint: it should work fine
[09:45] <pinPoint> well it plays mp3 but no sound ever comes out
[09:45] <santiago> hi, does anyone knows why one can't search about the text of the links in evolution 1.0 whitout using ctrl+f ?
[09:45] <membreya> pinPoint: tried launching it from the terminal ?
[09:45] <nvashi2> he might want to get xmms-mad
[09:45] <Echylo> or xmms-lame ?
[09:45] <Echylo> or what is lame good for? :p
[09:46] <geneo91> well it would be hd0,1
[09:46] <Echylo> well he is trying that now
[09:46] <jnoon> can anyone tell me what ubuntu uses to set resolve.conf?
[09:46] <santiago> in the warty version it was possible to do that
[09:46] <ells> pinPoint, I had the same issue before. I believe you will need the gstreamer codecs
[09:46] <santiago> s/it/
[09:47] <ells> does anyone in here know about burning dvds in linux
[09:47] <theDragon> no... I will, need to edit, sec
[09:47] <Echylo> nope, I don't
[09:47] <theDragon> ok, now it says Error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format
[09:47] <Echylo> hmm
[09:47] <membreya> ells: what's wrong ?
[09:47] <geneo91> i dunno i took xp off here after two weeks
[09:47] <jnoon> Does ubuntu use dhcpcd?
[09:47] <membreya> hmmmm :|
[09:47] <ells> membrey, well I can rip a dvd to an avi but the audio is not right
[09:47] <santiago> ells, try graveman
[09:48] <Ubunovice> Can I make it so double clicking the app icon is equivalent to clicking the x, like in win?
[09:48] <Echylo> yes
[09:48] <xamdm> jnoon, it uses dhclient
[09:48] <Echylo> mouse setttings I think Ubunovice
[09:48] <geneo91> theDragon:  xp has a dos partition in front of it to boot
[09:49] <Ubunovice> mouse settings doesn't have that... doesn't have much actually
[09:49] <Ruby_> back... any one has an idia what more can i do? black screen on X start in a new installation
[09:49] <Echylo> hmm
[09:49] <Echylo> you updated?
[09:49] <Ubunovice> Updated how?
[09:49] <xamdm> Ruby_, which cind off Grafikscard ??
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jnoon: no, uses dhclient
[09:50] <Burgundavia> ells: what are trying to use to burn?
[09:50] <Echylo> xamdm, you are german?
[09:50] <xamdm> Echylo, yes
[09:50] <ells> santiago: for ripping dvds?
[09:50] <membreya> oh, DVD ripping..that's different :)
[09:50] <Echylo> cause that was one hell of a fucked up english sentence
[09:50] <ells> membreya: I can backup a dvd, but cannot compress the dvd to copy
[09:50] <xamdm> Echylo, sorry :-)
[09:50] <Echylo> no problem
[09:50] <ells> membreya: because of this, I have to make avi
[09:50] <Ubunovice> Update like "Ubuntu Update Manager"?
[09:51] <Echylo> I probably make more mistaks
[09:51] <nvashi2> ells: you using dvdrip?
[09:51] <santiago> ells, http://graveman.tuxfamily.org/index-e.php
[09:51] <Echylo> mistakes*
[09:51] <ells> membreya; the avi play, but the voice lags behind.
[09:51] <Echylo> but I talk more ;)
[09:51] <xamdm> Echylo, i try to do it better next time ;-)
[09:51] <santiago> ells, not for rip, for burn
[09:51] <Echylo> :D
[09:51] <ells> nvashi: using acidrip
[09:51] <ells> santiago: okay
[09:51] <ells> santiago: what types of files? I want them playable on my home dvd player
[09:52] <xamdm> Ruby_, is it a nvidia ??
[09:53] <Echylo> ruby, what videocard do u use?
[09:53] <Echylo> ati or nvidia one?
[09:54] <Echylo> like xamdm asked :)
[09:54] <xamdm> Echylo, ore any other :)
[09:54] <Echylo> yea, but ati & nvidia are the majority
[09:55] <xamdm> Echylo, yes i never get X after a fresh install geforce 6800.....
[09:55] <Echylo> have you installed nvidia drivers?
[09:55] <xamdm> Echylo, after that it works, its just anoying, is it possible to build a install disk, with restricted-modules etc ??
[09:56] <siddharthk> hi all
[09:56] <Echylo> goddamned
[09:56] <Echylo> fucking netsplits
[09:56] <Echylo> bye
[09:56] <Echylo> netsplit
[09:56] <Echylo> or totally disconnect
[09:56] <Echylo> you may choose :p
[09:56] <xamdm> wow
[09:57] <geneo91> wow is right
[09:57] <Echylo> wait until they'll join again :p
[09:57] <HostingGeek> This is a the weirodest one ever
[09:57] <Echylo> yea
[09:57] <Echylo> netsplits are pretty kewl
[09:57] <geneo91> maybe iran droped one
[09:57] <HostingGeek> its looks like the southern servers are connected with each other
[09:58] <HostingGeek> and the northern ones are connection with each other
[09:58] <xamdm> i get this if i try to run xmms, waht is going on ??: Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[09:58] <geneo91> or n.korea
[09:58] <xamdm>   serial 238 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[09:58] <Echylo> hmm
[09:58] <theDragon> ok I am back, got disconnected
[09:58] <Echylo> yea
[09:58] <xamdm> many laos diskonnected in ubuntu-de
[09:58] <xamdm> also i meant
[09:58] <HostingGeek> so in other words a mainserver went down
[09:58] <theDragon> as I was saying, any ideas with the grub thing? I am really at a loss
[09:59] <siddharthk> i am new to irc, so can anybody tell me whats is netsplit ?
[09:59] <geneo91> hey i'm in the north
[09:59] <xamdm> theDragon, what does happen, just connected later ..
[09:59] <Echylo> siddharthk, I gonna try to explain, as far as I know, irc.freenode exists of many servers, people who are connected with one server are disconnected
[10:00] <siddharthk> ohh .. thats why i just now saw many 'quit' messages ...
[10:00] <Echylo> ;)
[10:00] <Echylo> anyway
[10:00] <Echylo> gtg
[10:00] <geneo91> man thats a lot of servers california went down
[10:00] <theDragon> I cannot boot into my NTFS partition
[10:00] <Echylo> leel
[10:00] <Echylo> school time, greets to membreya :p
[10:01] <xamdm> theDragon, what happens ??, can jou show me jour menu.lst just the part with the ntfs...
[10:01] <geneo91> theDragon:  did you try to mount it as dos
[10:01] <theDragon> how?
[10:01] <theDragon> what do you mean mount it as dos?
[10:01] <xamdm> geneo91, ???
[10:02] <geneo91> xp uses dos to boot it
[10:02] <theDragon> ok, so... how do I do this?
[10:02] <xamdm> geneo91, no
[10:02] <geneo91> so there should be two partitions for xp by default
[10:02] <xamdm> geneo91, no
[10:03] <geneo91> ithink one is about 20mb
[10:03] <theDragon> ??
[10:03] <xamdm> geneo91, thats not default
[10:03] <xamdm> geneo91, ntldr statrs directly from ntfs
[10:03] <theDragon> sure isn't 2 by default
[10:03] <geneo91> yes it is goto a r console in xp one time and you'll see it
[10:03] <Ubunovice> In an ntfs partition I have files and folders with names in Hebrew. I mounted the partition and I can't even see the folders/files in nautilus. How can I correct this?
[10:04] <theDragon> ubunovoice: hebrew? hardcore
[10:04] <xamdm> theDragon, just a example of my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:04] <xamdm> # on /dev/sda1
[10:04] <xamdm> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[10:04] <xamdm> root            (hd0,0)
[10:04] <xamdm> savedefault
[10:04] <xamdm> makeactive
[10:04] <xamdm> chainloader     +1
[10:04] <geneo91> not any i ever worked on
[10:04] <theDragon> that is exactly mine
[10:04] <theDragon> only mine not work
[10:04] <theDragon> and XP is in hda1
[10:05] <xamdm> theDragon, can jou mount the ntfs partition ??
[10:05] <theDragon> yes, I did
[10:05] <theDragon> I can see all my NTFS stuff
[10:05] <theDragon> but I want to boot to it
[10:05] <theDragon> and it won't
[10:05] <theDragon> it just hangs
[10:06] <xamdm> theDragon, is the ntfs-partition the active one ??
[10:06] <theDragon> as far as I know
[10:06] <theDragon> how would I change/set/view that?
[10:06] <theDragon> oh wait, it is
[10:06] <theDragon> it gets a makeactive before the chainloader
[10:06] <Ubunovice> I don't know if it actually matters but my ntfs partitions are hdb# and not hda#.
[10:07] <xamdm> theDragon, run fdisk an p, to look if its correct
[10:07] <Ubunovice> Hmm... FireFox got stuck. Is there like a task manager a la windows that can close it down? What should I do?
[10:08] <xamdm> Ubunovice, gnome ore kde ??
[10:08] <Ubunovice> gnome
[10:08] <theDragon> fdisk wha?
[10:08] <geneo91> Ubunovice:  pidof
[10:08] <xamdm>  gnome-system-monitor
[10:08] <geneo91> then kill that number
[10:08] <xamdm> theDragon, fdisk /dev/hda and then type p
[10:08] <theDragon> ...
[10:08] <theDragon> k
[10:09] <Ubunovice> xamdm: Thanks.
[10:09] <xamdm> np
[10:09] <Ubunovice> geneo91: Huh?
[10:10] <theDragon> ok p apparently is not valid
[10:10] <xamdm> try m for help
[10:10] <theDragon> oh wait
[10:10] <theDragon> sorry
[10:10] <theDragon> passing p as an option
[10:10] <theDragon> ok, yea
[10:10] <theDragon> hda1 gets the boot flag
[10:10] <geneo91> pid is the proc number and you can type kill in terminal to stop any thing
[10:11] <xamdm> is it active ?, sometimes two partitions become active, then xp won't boot
[10:11] <theDragon> how do I tell if it is active?
[10:11] <brion> before the netsplit i was saying... Has something recently changed in the warty php4 packages that would break the ability to write to files or create files in directories not owned by www-data? It's acting like PHP's safe_mode is on, but phpinfo() claims it's off. I'm fairly certain it worked a few days ago, and there's been a security update to these packages recently...
[10:11] <xamdm> geneo91, the dos partition in the xp-recue mode is a RAM-drive ;-)
[10:11] <geneo91> xp is pissed off
[10:12] <geneo91> well maybe but when i use a mandrke disk i have it shows two also
[10:12] <xamdm> theDragon, a
[10:13] <Ruby_> this is better :P
[10:13] <brion> :D
[10:13] <xamdm> geneo91, then jou do have a non standard setup ..
[10:13] <Ruby_> any one care to help me now? :P
[10:13] <theDragon> I see no a's under the fdisk util
[10:13] <geneo91> hey its not mine i dont do windows here
[10:13] <theDragon> as in under the p listing
[10:14] <xamdm> theDragon, *
[10:14] <xamdm> sorry
[10:14] <theDragon> yes, hda1 sure does
[10:14] <theDragon> like I said a few moments ago
[10:14] <theDragon> and it is indicated as NTFS
[10:14] <xamdm> any others also ??
[10:14] <theDragon> no
[10:14] <geneo91> xamdm:  why cant u see all your drive
[10:14] <Ruby_> help :( after new installation of ubuntu i get a blank black screen on X start :(
[10:15] <xamdm> geneo91, ??, i see all my drive
[10:16] <geneo91> i'm sure you dont
[10:17] <xamdm> geneo91, gparted qtparted fdisk, als say the same :-)
[10:17] <Ruby_> damn... im out... if any one has an idia how to help me please oh please PM me :(
[10:18] <pinPoint> and still no sound
[10:18] <pinPoint> o_O
[10:18] <Ruby_> god... where did you all come from? :P
[10:18] <membreya> everyone's coming back :D
[10:18] <nvashi2> wb guys
[10:18] <membreya> netsplits are always fun :)
[10:18] <Ruby_> and some are comming back twice? :P
[10:18] <nvashi2> they are on kornbluth
[10:19] <Ruby_> lol... this *is* fun :P
[10:19] <Amaranth> haha, that's what happens when you rejoin during a netsplit and don't disconnect properly
[10:20] <nvashi2> ok now check your oput settings for xmms
[10:20] <[FiDO] > can anyone help me with gdesklet ??
[10:20] <[FiDO] > gdesklets rather
[10:20] <HostingGeek> we are still missing 100 people
[10:21] <pinPoint> nvashi2: everything's clean
[10:22] <xamdm> Ruby_, what is joutr problem
[10:22] <Ruby_> new ubuntu installation- blank black screen on X start
[10:22] <nvashi2> ok
[10:23] <xamdm> Ruby_, waht kind of Grafikscard ??, sorry for my bad engleich
[10:23] <Ubunovice> Which repository will have winetools? Should I just install it manually?
[10:23] <desplesda> Ubunovice:  i remember seeing it in universe, i think
[10:23] <Ruby_> erm... its a really old Nvidia... Gforce 2 i think
[10:23] <[FiDO] > can anyone help me with gdesklets ??
[10:23] <xamdm> Ruby_, ok, warty ore hoary ??
[10:24] <Ruby_> xamdm, hoary
[10:24] <HappyPills> warty is nice, havn't tried hoary
[10:24] <Gecko> Hello people
[10:24] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I have updated from warty to hoary and I have a few strange things happening ; can we talk about it ?
[10:24] <xamdm> Ruby_, ok, just change the xorg.conf to use vesa instead of nv, 1st, so jou have unaccelerated X
[10:24] <nvashi2> HappyPills: I am upgrading to Hoary now
[10:24] <nvashi2> going smootly so far
[10:25] <xamdm> Ruby_, then try to install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx and the restricted-modules
[10:25] <Ruby_> erm... i have no clue of how to do that...
[10:25] <xamdm> Ruby_, then change the driver from vesa to nvidia
[10:25] <Ruby_> :P
[10:25] <xamdm> Ruby_, are jou able to handle the edito vi ina shell ??
[10:25] <Ruby_> install--> you mean just apr-get yeah? :(
[10:25] <nvashi2> Ruby: yeah that what he means
[10:25] <Sonium> how do i stop xserver?
[10:25] <xamdm> Ruby_, ok, we try it slower :-)
[10:25] <Ruby_> i am a total linux newbie :(
[10:26] <HappyPills> it took me several hours to get ubuntu working how I want it, I don't want to risk breaking it by going to Hoary =P
[10:26] <xamdm> Ruby_, press ctrl+alt+F1 thne login
[10:26] <geneo91> Ruby_:  you need to hit ctrl alt f1 get a terminal
[10:26] <xamdm> Ruby_, then type sudo su
[10:26] <xamdm> Ruby_, then do a dpkr-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <nvashi2> HappyPills: then you should have an easier time doing it a 2nd time
[10:26] <xamdm> dpkg-reconfigure i meant
[10:26] <dmoyne> no way to edit menus with hoary ?
[10:27] <Ubunovice> I can't find winetools on universe. How exactly do I go about installing a tar.gz distribution?
[10:27] <nmoore> dmoyne: gnome menus? it seems that way
[10:27] <membreya> dmoyne: no way to edit menus with gnome2.1
[10:27] <membreya> 0
[10:27] <brion> Nobody running php, knows anything about mysterious file access problems cropping up since last security updates to warty?
[10:27] <membreya> you CAN edit them
[10:27] <Gecko> I have a weird problem. I just compiled a new kernel 2.6.11.4 from source, using the configuration from the default ubuntu kernel found in /boot. When booting up I get a blank screen, and no init. It is an amd64 running hoary. Can anyone help?
[10:27] <membreya> but it's a pain
[10:27] <pinPoint> i changed my runlevel to 5 and this thing didnt work
[10:27] <Seveas> membreya, there is an easy way
[10:27] <xamdm> Ruby_, when it aks for a driver choose the vesa an not the nv one !!
[10:27] <pinPoint> i lost my default sounds too
[10:27] <HappyPills> nvashi2, I didn't have time to spend doing it the first time... stupid ndiswrapper!
[10:27] <membreya> how's that Seveas ?
[10:27] <pinPoint> for opening apps
[10:27] <Seveas> on the forums, you can find an editor
[10:27] <dmoyne> I mean with KDE no way to edit menus ! ; is there any fix ?
[10:27] <membreya> Seveas: AFAIK that's for adding
[10:27] <Seveas> search for 'punkass editor'
[10:27] <xamdm> Ruby_, if  that worked try a /etc/init.d/gdm restart (for kubuntu its kdm)
[10:28] <Amaranth> Seveas: bleh, that editor sucks :P
[10:28] <Seveas> membreya, and editing your own additions :)
[10:28] <Amaranth> Seveas: Give me 5 minutes and I'll have 0.3.1 of mine up. :)
[10:28] <Seveas> Amaranth, nice :)
[10:28] <membreya> ok Amaranth :D
[10:28] <membreya> direct URL us :D
[10:28] <Myrtti> Amaranth: is that downloadable and installable already?
[10:28] <Seveas> if you create a .deb i'll put it in my repository :)
[10:29] <nmoore> anyone using kolivas kernel patches?
[10:29] <Amaranth> Myrtti: Old versions are.
[10:29] <Amaranth> Seveas: It's a deb, yes. :)
[10:29] <Myrtti> Amaranth: plz.
[10:29] <Myrtti> :-)
[10:29] <DemisM> how can I view my dvds?
[10:29] <Myrtti> we want the new one
[10:29] <New2ubuntu> iTunes on my windows machines created a bloody mess! All of my MP3's are in folder after folder of layered by album, band and track name then finally the actual music.  Is there a Linux MP3 player that can handle this, or will I have to go through each folder and just copy the mp3?
[10:29] <membreya> hurry up Amaranth hurry up
[10:29] <DemisM> do i need to install some codecs?
[10:29] <Seveas> Amaranth, if it's < 10mb, please mail it to dennis@kaarsemaker.net
[10:29] <Ruby_> okxamdm, thanks... going to try... all lower case yeah?
[10:29] <Amaranth> Seveas: ha, i don't think it goes over 500k
[10:29] <dmoyne> so apparently either with Gnome or KDE noway to edit menus !
[10:29] <nvashi2> HappyPills: I was thinking of installing my motorala wpc1810g wireless
[10:29] <Seveas> nice!
[10:29] <brion> New2ubuntu: rhythmbox should be fine with that
[10:29] <xamdm> DemisM, libdvdcss, just google for it
[10:30] <Daehlie> DemisM:sudo apt-get install vlc & apt-get install vlc-gtk
[10:31] <HappyPills> nvashi2, The only reason I had issues was because the version of ndiswrapper installed by Ubuntu didn't run my excel wireless card
[10:31] <membreya> done yet Amaranth ? :)
[10:31] <codemarauder> I tried installing ubuntu. But was not able to login after the install. Then I had to reboot the system and login to single user mode. I edited the passwd and shadow file and reset the passwd for root and the user that i created at the time of install.
[10:31] <HappyPills> I had to upgrade to 1.1, which was a pain
[10:31] <codemarauder> Is this a known bug?
[10:31] <nvashi2> piPoint why you change your runlevel from the default of 2
[10:31] <Amaranth> membreya: not quite :P
[10:31] <dmoyne> another bug I have the sound when entering a Gnome session but not with KDE session so with the KDE sound module of KDE control center I can play sound !
[10:31] <membreya> well hurry up!
[10:31] <Mestapheles> hey guys I'm stuck somewhere between a warty and hoary dist-upgrade.  I'm having dep conflicts, and apt-get -f install reports "error [1] "  Might this simply be a matter of waiting it out?
[10:32] <Seveas> codemarauder, it is known that you cannot login as root, that is NOTABUG
[10:32] <geneo91> lost a hub
[10:32] <Seveas> not being able to login as the user you created must mean you mispelled the password
[10:32] <codemarauder> Seveas, but i was not able to login with the user passwd that i set
[10:32] <codemarauder> Seveas, that's why i had to login in the bad way
[10:33] <codemarauder> Seveas, and this has happened every time i tried installing ubuntu
[10:33] <nvashi2> HappyPills: that is understandable .. you had to do it from source [ndiswrapper] ?
[10:33] <Seveas> codemarauder, that IS weird, please file a bug
[10:33] <HappyPills> yup
[10:33] <nvashi2> kewl
[10:33] <codemarauder> i just wanted to confirm whether this happened with others also?
[10:34] <HappyPills> but I had to install a whole heap of crap first, check out the ndiswrapper section of the Ubuntu unofficial faq if you are having issues
[10:34] <codemarauder> Seveas,
[10:34] <dwa_> hey garrut
[10:34] <nvashi2> I palan on looking at that b4 I put my wireless card in
[10:34] <geneo91> nite all
[10:35] <nvashi2> Geneo91: cya
[10:35] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to change locales?
[10:35] <nvashi2> the crew is almost all here
[10:35] <DemisM> none of the repositories have the dvd codecs and avi codecs?
[10:36] <xamdm> andreas_, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:36] <andreas_> thanks
[10:36] <xamdm> np
[10:36] <nvashi2> DemisM you can use olge /ogle-gui that is what I use to watch dvds
[10:36] <nmoore> DemisM: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[10:36] <nvashi2> works great
[10:37] <xamdm> DemisM, maybe jo have to download libdvdcss
[10:37] <rb2k> hi guys
[10:37] <nvashi2> and yes you will have to get liddvdcss
[10:37] <DemisM> oh ok
[10:37] <nvashi2> libdvdcss
[10:37] <nvashi2> cause even ogl has that as a depends
[10:38] <waxhead> hi everyone
[10:38] <rb2k> hi
[10:38] <nvashi2> hey
[10:38] <pinPoint> did i screw up something
[10:38] <pinPoint> no more sound at startup
[10:38] <DemisM> do the debian pkgs work on ubuntu for libdvdcss?
[10:38] <pinPoint> and i have to type startx everytime
[10:39] <xamdm> DemisM, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/ just download the .deb files and install them with dpkg -t file-name
[10:39] <pinPoint> runlevel is 5
[10:39] <Amaranth> Seveas, membreya, Myrtti: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
[10:39] <membreya> champ :)
[10:39] <nvashi2> ah what did you change other than stuff in xmms??
[10:39] <dmoyne> when trying to install kdm as a replacement for gdm with "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" after this action has no effect at all what is wrong ?
[10:40] <Myrtti> Amaranth: *kiss* on the cheek
[10:40] <waxhead> there's something on the unbuntu wiki that covers installing that stuff...
[10:40] <Amaranth> It took me 10 minutes but who is counting? :)
[10:40] <membreya> Amaranth: I'm impressed..it installed :)
[10:40] <xamdm> dmoyne, also after a rebbot, did jou do a /etc/init.d/gdm stop ??
[10:40] <Amaranth> I blame it on you guys asking me so many times. :P
[10:40] <nmoore> do ubuntu apply any patches to the default kernel?
[10:40] <pinPoint> nvashi2: i removed some stuff in synaptics not sure what sound stuff
[10:40] <Amaranth> membreya: Hopefully it'll do more but that's all I ever test. :P
[10:40] <Myrtti> ok, I'll mail myself that URL so I wont forget it
[10:40] <pinPoint> nvashi2: i cant test sound anymore
[10:41] <nvashi2> dmoyne: why change from gdm it is better [and I like kde and use it but use gdm] 
[10:41] <pinPoint> i used to hear a beeeep but now its quiet
[10:41] <membreya> Amaranth: ya it works :) but I was impressed it installed on my amd64 :)
[10:41] <Initri> ::raises hand::
[10:41] <Amaranth> membreya: Check your system tools menus.
[10:41] <Amaranth> membreya: It's Python, it works anywhere Python does. :)
[10:41] <Initri> I'm baaaaaack. :P -- anyone know the proper boot: sequence to make Ubuntu recognize a Fasttrack TX2100 raid controller (crap, I know.. but still, it's something!)
[10:41] <nvashi2> ah now that was a bad mistake pinPoint if you remove stuff at least write it down if you are not sure you need it
[10:42] <rb2k> got some problems with the current Ubuntu and Kubuntu previews... can't get X running
[10:42] <dmoyne> to xamdm what do you mean with this "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" ! ; this command "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" is not supposed to do the job ?
[10:42] <rb2k> only a black screen
[10:42] <Amaranth> pinPoint: In a terminal run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[10:42] <rb2k> any known bug? (including a workarround *g*)
[10:43] <rb2k> << Laptop with Ati GFX Chip
[10:43] <xamdm> dmoyne, if jou don't reboot, gdm won't be stoped bevore nstall of kdm, so just stop it and start it with /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:43] <membreya> Amaranth: now get cpan to install ipnetv4 :)
[10:44] <xamdm> dmoyne, the dpkg-... just makes kdm default
[10:44] <dmoyne> to xamdm : ok I try !
[10:44] <xamdm> dmoyne, that stops the complete x session !!
[10:44] <xamdm> dmoyne, di it from a shell as root
[10:44] <Amaranth> membreya: ?
[10:44] <rempresent> need help real fast...
[10:45] <xamdm> rempresent, just ask
[10:45] <HappyPills> yaya. Anyone know of a decent graphical Fserving program? Or do I have to use wine and sysreset =P
[10:45] <rempresent> i can't play a .wmv file in xine or vlc or totem... what can i use instead
[10:45] <clx> hi all
[10:45] <rempresent> i just thought that i would be polite before blabbing
[10:45] <xamdm> rempresent, jou just need the w32-codecs and installt totem-xine
[10:45] <clx> people, can you show for me your sources.list?
[10:45] <clx> in private please
[10:45] <HappyPills> oooh, I havn't tried playing .wmv's yet
[10:45] <Amaranth> rempresent: WMV3 (made with WMP 9 or 10) is very spotty. Have you installed ffmpeg and/or w32codecs?
[10:46] <rempresent> where can you get the w32-codecs from
[10:46] <Gecko> Hello. I have a problem. I am running hoary on an amd64 laptop, with an ati radeon mobility 9700. Yesterday I tried to compileol a new kernel, 2.6.11.4, using mostly the same configuration as the binary kernel bundled with Ubuntu, which is found in the /boot/config-* files. So I compiled the kernel using the debian tool (make-kpkg) and everything seemed fine, but when I tried to boot it, my screen went blank. Any clues to what could be wrong?
[10:46] <rempresent> no... can i do that with synaptic
[10:46] <nvashi2> hooray my warty to hoary upgrade is complete
[10:46] <rempresent> or "tec...
[10:46] <brion> Anybody using the php4 packages? Anybody had problems with scripts accessing files since the March 18 security update, even with safe_mode *off*?
[10:46] <Yldthing> i like vlc more than mplayer...but mplayer seems to be able to play more types of files
[10:46] <Amaranth> Gecko: Use grub to boot the kernel that came with hoary.
[10:46] <xamdm> rempresent, jou can get the codecs at the mplayer-homepage
[10:46] <Amaranth> Gecko: Why are you compiling your own kernel?
[10:47] <rempresent> xamdm i don't use mplayer
[10:47] <HostingGeek> I hope everyone is drinking bear as told
[10:47] <nico|m> hi! i'm having problems with k3b on ubuntu hoary: k3bsetup is broken, and I can't burn mp3 files anymore :-(
[10:47] <xamdm> rempresent, they just have the codecs :-)
[10:47] <xamdm> rempresent, just extract them to /usr/lib/win32
[10:47] <dmoyne> to xamdm : it dit not work for kdm but it had an interesting sideeffect : it brought back sound to KDE whenopening and closing !
[10:47] <HostingGeek> even if that means we have a channel full of drunks
[10:47] <HappyPills> nup wmv's don't work in totem and in vlc I just get sound =)
[10:48] <nvashi2> ah I am dring jack daniels
[10:48] <membreya> Amaranth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=98973
[10:48] <Gecko> Amaranth: Because to run the fglrx module, you need to have agpgart as a module as well, and all the Ubuntu kernels are with agpgart compiled in
[10:48] <waxhead> totem just core dumps on my system...
[10:48] <rempresent> thanks
[10:48] <xamdm> dmoyne, strange, just tryed to uninstall gdm ??
[10:48] <HappyPills> nvashi2, Drink Wild Turkey instead
[10:48] <waxhead> gmplayer does it all for me these days
[10:48] <Amaranth> Gecko: ubuntu has a package to install fglrx
[10:48] <nvashi2> hehe wild turkey is nice too but this jack is 30 years old
[10:49] <Gecko> Amaranth: yes. The module itself. But that doesn't work very well
[10:49] <dmoyne> to xamdm : you with get rid of it !
[10:49] <xamdm> is there a fglrx-pakage in warty ??, just need it tomorrow...
[10:49] <Amaranth> membreya: meh, no clue.
[10:49] <membreya> nvashi2: ..mix it with coke :)
[10:49] <Amaranth> xamdm: yeah
[10:49] <HappyPills> gmplayer... got a repository for it?
[10:49] <xamdm> Amaranth, thx
[10:49] <waxhead> hmmm
[10:49] <rempresent> xamdm what is the terminal command then for the extraction
[10:49] <membreya> Amaranth: your programming skills have left me sad :P
[10:49] <HappyPills> You don't mix 30 year old bourbon!
[10:49] <Amaranth> membreya: I'm a Python programmer. :P
[10:50] <xamdm> rempresent, just install unp with apt-get install unp, and then run unp filename
[10:50] <rempresent> xamdm what is unp
[10:50] <nvashi2> I was not going to reply to that
[10:51] <xamdm> rempresent, then jou can move the folder to usr /lib/win32 with "sudo mv foleder /usr/lib/win32"
[10:51] <xamdm> rempresent, unp is a scripped that can handel any unpacker
[10:51] <rempresent> alright, i hear ya
[10:51] <nvashi2> would be ruining the flavor
[10:51] <waxhead> HappyPills, this is what I did: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:51] <nvashi2> I am savoring the flavor
[10:52] <Initri> Did anyone catch my Promise question ? - I've started the install process, but it doesn't seem to detect the RAID (FastTrack TX2/100) - and shows each device as a seperate IDE entity.  Ideas ?
[10:52] <waxhead> anyone got an ATI radeon video card working on warty?
[10:52] <xamdm> Initri, the Raid-feature is not in kernel 2.6, so badluck :-), promise has no driver for kernel 2.6
[10:53] <Initri> Crap card anyway..
[10:53] <Initri> Hmm.
[10:53] <xamdm> Initri, any distro with kernel 2.4 should work, sorry
[10:53] <Initri> Since it won't recognize the 'hardware' RAID, will it be ok to use each IDE device seperately as though it was just a regular HDD controller ?
[10:53] <xamdm> Initri, ore buy a 3ware raid-controller as i did :-)
[10:53] <rempresent> what is the command that you can type to kind of clean up your system from junk
[10:53] <HappyPills> waxhead, thanks
[10:53] <Initri> -- i.e., I know the promise controllers are 'software'.
[10:54] <nvashi2> waxhead I had the old ati 128 pro ultra te working but have not tried my radeon on there
[10:54] <xamdm> Initri, the promise is a SOftware-raid
[10:54] <Initri> I have a 3Ware Escalade in my desktop machine. :)
[10:54] <rempresent> and how can i uninstall apps that i don't use easily, maybe even graphically
[10:54] <pinPoint> Amaranth: thanks, ubuntu-desktop got it
[10:54] <xamdm> rempresent, synaptoc
[10:54] <dmoyne> to xamdm : funny I got rid of gdm but my logging manager is not kdm still the same that I thought was gdm ; how to know about the name of this one ?
[10:54] <pinPoint> mp3 music and streams are working
[10:54] <HostingGeek> 'synaptic'
[10:54] <xamdm> rempresent, just search the ap and choose uninstall :-)
[10:54] <Initri> Xamdm:  But it shouldn't be a problem ignoring it and just each device as if it were a normal HDD controller, correct ?
[10:54] <nvashi2> pinPoint you still need to make note of stuff you uninstall
[10:54] <pinPoint> ya
[10:55] <Ubunovice> How do I make ubuntu recognize my monitor so I may have normal refresh rates?
[10:55] <xamdm> Initri, jes, ther is also a projekt that tries to get tat to work, just forgot the name
[10:55] <waxhead> nvashi2, I had it going on a Radeon 9600 on mandrake, but it was using xfree86 so wasn't so bad... but I haven't seen much on Xorg... was hoping someone mighth ave done it.. or had a link
[10:55] <xamdm> Initri, it trys to handel the controller via lvm , just google a little while
[10:55] <Initri> I'm not too worried about.. even linux-based software raid is better than nothing.
[10:56] <xamdm> dmoyne, ist it kde 3.4 ??, KDM is able to use scinns the :-)
[10:56] <Pointwood> I just upgraded to hoary and now sound in mplayer and vlc doesn't work - anyone got a hint?
[10:56] <pinPoint> heh
[10:56] <HappyPills> oh, I already have w32codecs installed...
[10:56] <xamdm> dmoyne, do jou have the shutdown ore reboot option in kde-logoff ??, then it should be KDM :-)
[10:57] <xamdm> dmoyne, can't test just swithed to gnome when i installed ubuntu, its faster ...
[10:58] <pinPoint> nvashi2: do you get laggy sound on xine
[10:58] <pinPoint> like audio out of sync
[10:58] <dmoyne> to xamdm : yes it is KDE 3.4 ; my option when logging off is I can restart ; what is scinns ?
[10:58] <pinPoint> on dvd
[10:59] <Pointwood> vlc gives me the following errors:
[10:59] <Pointwood> [00000297]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[10:59] <Pointwood> [00000297]  main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
[10:59] <Pointwood> [00000297]  main audio output error: couldn't set an output pipeline
[10:59] <HappyPills> how do I update the locate repository?
[10:59] <xamdm> dmoyne, jou removed gdm ??
[10:59] <nvashi2>  ok going to reboot to see how my upgrade to hoary went brb
[10:59] <waxhead> HappyPills, what do you mean?
[10:59] <New2ubuntu> how is everybody this fine evening?
[10:59] <xamdm> dmoyne, did jou try to reboot ??
[11:00] <dmoyne> yes I did but I will reckeck no I can !
[11:00] <HappyPills> locate -u /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db
[11:00] <membreya> hmmm so all I need to do to change to kubuntu is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop huh :)
[11:00] <HappyPills> I think it's that line
[11:00] <membreya> what are peoples opinions of kubuntu ?
[11:00] <HappyPills> seems to be doing something
[11:00] <waxhead> HappyPills, oh irght... try sudo updatedb &
[11:00] <nvashi2> pinpoint: it does that somethings that why I moved back to xmms and I got my default cd player to work in warty as well to see if it was the app
[11:01] <dmoyne> to xamdm : gdm out !
[11:01] <nvashi2> rebootingnow see you guys in a minute
[11:01] <HappyPills> waxhead, oops, I leapt first =P
[11:01] <waxhead> HappyPills, then you have to wait for it up finish as it will lock the locate database
[11:01] <eSPete> how do i write to my hd from the 4.10 live cd_
[11:01] <HappyPills> yep
[11:01] <HappyPills> and it has 120 gb's to index
[11:02] <xamdm> dmoyne, if jou do a ctral+alt+f1, an run ther a /etc/init.dgdm stop, and then just type kdm what happens ??
[11:02] <gyo_mac> hi all
[11:02] <dmoyne> to xamdm : I try and come back
[11:03] <gyo_mac> Is there a tool under macos9 to calculate md5sums ?
[11:04] <HappyPills> oooh, netlimiter... any decent linux equivalents? (It limits download/upload bandwidth on an application level)
[11:04] <DemisM> do you guys think the best install would be just base install and from there install the rest?
[11:04] <dmoyne> to xamdm : nothing special : I mean no error message on exec !
[11:05] <dmoyne> to xamdm : should I reboot no I do not see why this would cure the problem !
[11:05] <xamdm> did, kdm startup ??
[11:05] <omniscient> do the ubuntu forums have a link to like a page of unanswered threads like what linuxquestions has?
[11:05] <xamdm> dmoyne, if got the strange feeling that gdm doesn't et stopped ...
[11:06] <xamdm> get i meant
[11:06] <sabmoc|sleeping> DarthFrog, poing!
[11:06] <dmoyne> to xamdm : simply it has been removed !
[11:06] <sabmoc|sleeping> wake up! its 2am!
[11:06] <sabmoc|sleeping> woot!
[11:06] <sabmoc|sleeping> omg, need sleep
[11:07] <xamdm> dmoyne, but it seemed to be running ore am i wrong ??
[11:08] <dmoyne> to xamdm : ok I see what you mean it is removed from HD but maybe still running in memory ; so if I reboot this problem should definetly be cleared !
[11:08] <eSPete> is there a way to restore deleted files from a live cd?
[11:09] <xamdm> dmoyne, yes, i also hate rebooting linux, but sometimes nothing else helps
[11:09] <dmoyne> to xamdm : you say it I do it ; I rebbot and come back but with no real hope !
[11:11] <membreya> does anyone have a link to some screenshots for kubuntu????
[11:12] <xamdm> membreya, lokks like any other KDE-distro ??
[11:13] <Tomcat_> Look at screenies of KDE 3.4... that's it. :)
[11:13] <Tomcat_> It doesn't even have an Ubuntu-like theme. :o
[11:13] <dmoyne> to xamdm : my display manager when logging is not gdm but neither kdm otherwise it has changed a lot !!
[11:14] <xamdm> dmoyne, simple grey ??, than it is xdm, hm
[11:15] <gyo_mac> I have downloaded a ubuntu livecd hoary for ppc, the livecd seems to block on the languages settings process, it is normal ?
[11:15] <membreya> ok xamdm :)
[11:15] <dmoyne> to xamdm : it is blue wiwth simply a box for name and password and an icon like enter keyboard key to enter session when clicking on it !
[11:16] <xamdm> dmoyne, shure that it is not a bad-configured kdm ??
[11:16] <kalis> any Swedes in here?
[11:17] <foobarishness> Not that I can see
[11:17] <eSPete> i'm danish
[11:17] <foobarishness> Australian
[11:17] <dmoyne>  to xamdm : if I do "dpkg-reconfigure xdm" in root mode it says xdm not installed !
[11:18] <xamdm> dmoyne, ps -ax, ist there a kdm-prozess ??
[11:18] <kalis> the thing is that i am still struggling to get all my files and folders on my w2k serve to act as supposed. The share is mounted from fstab.
[11:18] <kalis> so i would really have neede a swede in here ;)
[11:19] <Yldthing> lol i've been so lazy....haven't even touched fstab....everytime i boot i just type sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/c -t vfat
[11:19] <xamdm> isn't ther a swedish chaneel #ubuntu-?? available ??
[11:20] <kalis> Yldthing, i am mounting 6 different w2k SMB shares from fstab at boot
[11:20] <garrut> is anyone in here running valknut?
[11:20] <dmoyne> to xamdm : I see qmgr and kded !
[11:20] <Yldthing> oh
[11:20] <Yldthing> well, that might be a pain to type each time ;)
[11:20] <xamdm> dmoyne, back in five minutes, ill try to install kdm...
[11:20] <kalis> Yldthing, yes it is ;)
[11:21] <dmoyne> to xamdm : ok I wait
[11:22] <Yldthing> i should sit down and memorize fstab syntax sometime...
[11:23] <membreya> hmmmm stupid question, but with kubuntu, can i continue to use my apps like tvtime, thunderbird and galeon?
[11:23] <garrut> Yldthing: something like /dev/hda1 /mnt/c vfat defaults 0 0
[11:23] <Yldthing> yeah
[11:23] <Yldthing> i was told somewhere that it needs to be defaults 000 0 because each 0 is a bit
[11:23] <xamdm> dmoyne, the blue thing has a kubuntu slogan in the right corner ??, that is kdm
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[11:24] <Yldthing> i also wanna map network drives with samba
[11:24] <brion> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8051
[11:24] <xamdm> dmoyne, just try the kcontro to change the layout of KDM
[11:24] <Yldthing> but i'll figure it out some other time....too tired to read
[11:24] <quar> how can i kill giftd?
[11:25] <quar> killall -9 giftd doesnt seem to work
[11:25] <dmoyne> to xamdm : yes it has a kubuntu slogan in the right corner but with kcontrol I was supposed to have another design ! ; I will try to see what happens when reinstalling the watch !
[11:25] <Sonium> how can I list the processes running under a given user name?
[11:25] <Yldthing> ps -e  ?
[11:26] <sabmoc|sleeping> hi jbailey
[11:26] <jbailey> hi sabmoc|sleeping
[11:27] <sabmoc> jbailey, so are you really really busy?
[11:28] <xamdm> dmoyne, the blue-thing is kdm
[11:28] <jbailey> sabmoc: At this exact moment, no.  I'm contemplating going back to bed.
[11:28] <quar> How can i kill a running proccess?
[11:29] <quar> is there some kind of task manager with a GUI?
[11:29] <xamdm> gnome-sessions-manager
[11:29] <dmoyne> to xamdm : then the designthrogh kcontrol is not related to it whatsoever as it has no impact at all !!!!
[11:29] <membreya> hrm, according to http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php I should just need to type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I'm getting package not found
[11:30] <quar> xamdm, I dont have that bin?
[11:30] <dmoyne> to xamdm : can you please try to tailor ir through kcontrol in root mode ?
[11:31] <xamdm> dmoyne, i opend kcontrole if jou look there to the wallpaper joul see that it matches
[11:31] <quar> So no one can tell me how to kill a process?
[11:32] <Amaranth> quar: xkill
[11:32] <membreya> quar: find its PID
[11:32] <dmoyne> to xamdm : yes but this is the only thing that works all other features are not relevant !
[11:32] <deFrysk> quar killall <whatever process>
[11:32] <quar> tried that
[11:32] <deFrysk> what process is it ?
[11:32] <Amaranth> Applications->System Tools->System Monitor (at least in hoary)
[11:32] <garrut> kill -9 <pid>
[11:32] <Amaranth> it might be a zombie
[11:32] <quar> all it did is make more processes with a <defunct> flag?
[11:32] <Amaranth> defunct is zombie
[11:33] <Amaranth> you'll have to wait for init to clear them or reboot
[11:33] <xamdm> quar its gnome-system-monito sorry
[11:33] <deFrysk> simply use top
[11:33] <quar> the system monitor wont kill em either?
[11:33] <Amaranth> nope
[11:33] <quar> top didnt display them
[11:34] <Amaranth> it's just a fancy ps and kill wrapper
[11:34] <quar> killall -9 giftd doesnt even work???
[11:34] <Amaranth> defunct means you can't kill it
[11:34] <quar> so wtf?
[11:34] <Amaranth> init will have to clear it out or you'll have to reboot
[11:35] <quar> thats stupid
[11:35] <Amaranth> init should clear it out eventually, it might just take 24 hours :P
[11:35] <Amaranth> *shrug* that's just how it works
[11:35] <Amaranth> someone tried to explain it to me once and i ran away
[11:35] <quar> so i have to reboot to fix something, this is sounding allot like another OS i know of ;)
[11:35] <Amaranth> quar: actually...
[11:36] <Amaranth> quar: log out and back in :)
[11:36] <topyli> hrm. an upgrade touched xorg.conf, setting DefaultDepth to 1, thus breaking X. this is the second box where it happened.
[11:37] <quar> yea last couple upgrades screwed me up as well, im scared to upgeade this clean install now
[11:37] <Burgundavia> topyli: you filed a bug for that>'
[11:37] <topyli> Burgundavia: not initially, but seeing it on two different boxen i may have to :)
[11:37] <andreas_> Anyone here from Denmark?
[11:38] <garrut> topyli: i think it already is
[11:38] <andreas_> I need some help
[11:38] <quar> aww i figured it out, they all had a parent process
[11:38] <topyli> garrut: you mean it's already reported?
[11:38] <garrut> i think so
[11:38] <garrut> read something somewhere about that this week anyway :)
[11:38] <andreas_> Damn kubuntu!
[11:39] <dmoyne> to xamdm : I tried to install xdm and install it as a replacement and I still have the same logging manager that is not kdm for me but a default screen mana !ger
[11:39] <quar> dmoyne, try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:39] <andreas_> Would almost wish i had a Windows
[11:40] <xamdm> dmoyne, the blue thing is KDM !!!
[11:40] <jsgotangco> nyaahha
[11:40] <xamdm> dmoyne, kde3.4 gave kdm a themeengine
[11:40] <xamdm> but kcontrol isnt able to contole it for now ...
[11:40] <dmoyne> to xamdm : so you think it might be affected by theme !
[11:41] <andreas_> Can someone please help me? I am really hung up here
[11:41] <xamdm> andreas_, whats the problem ??
[11:41] <xamdm> dmoyne, shure
[11:42] <andreas_> xamdm> After installing Kubuntu I cannot get my danish letters back and i am going nuts
[11:42] <dmoyne> to xamdm : you see this does not explain why when installing another logging manager you still have no other choice !!!!
[11:43] <xamdm> dmoyne, just try /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then run /etc/init.dwahtever start, for me that works.
[11:43] <andreas_> dpkg-reconfigure locales does not help even though i have set the three DK thingies as the only ones
[11:43] <Fackamato> hm, my gnome has fucked up
[11:43] <Fackamato> whenever I start it, it says "panel is already started, so I'm quitting" like 6 times
[11:43] <Fackamato> then I get no panels, no desktop
[11:43] <Fackamato> can't do shit, do I control+alt+backspace
[11:43] <Fackamato> and I'm there again, after I login ;(
[11:43] <Fackamato> I'm in xfce now
[11:44] <Ruby> hey guys... i need some help... i installed ubuntu and now i get a black screen on X start... some one here told me to change my driver from vm to vesa or something like that, but i cant seem to get to these configurations... anyone can help?
[11:45] <Fackamato> Ruby: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or X(tab)
[11:45] <Ruby> i just write that down in the command line?
[11:46] <Fackamato> ?
[11:46] <Fackamato> that's the file you're looking for
[11:46] <Fackamato> edit it
[11:46] <Ruby> how? :P
[11:47] <Ruby> vi it?
[11:47] <Fackamato> whatever editor you want
[11:47] <waxhead> ok.. what's the go with burning music CD's on ubuntu?
[11:47] <Fackamato> you need to be root or su
[11:47] <Fackamato> waxhead: k3b or something
[11:47] <Ruby> ok... and what driver do i set? vesa?
[11:48] <waxhead> Fackamato, so nothing gnome based in the repositorys?
[11:48] <waxhead> k3b the only way to go?
[11:48] <Fackamato> waxhead: there's something
[11:48] <Fackamato> gnometoaster or something
[11:48] <Fackamato> don't recall exactly
[11:48] <Fackamato> but k3b is very good imo
[11:49] <garrut> has anyone tried nero linux?
[11:49] <onkarshinde> Anybody using torrent for hoary preview? How many seeders are there?
[11:49] <sii> does ubuntu have anything like packages.debian.org?
[11:49] <Ruby> ow, yeah, Fackamato, can i edit it using a Live CD?
[11:49] <Fackamato> yes
[11:49] <Fackamato> sii what do you mean?
[11:49] <Fackamato> package search online?
[11:50] <Ruby> thank you very much :D
[11:50] <Fackamato> not that I know of - use apt-cache search
[11:50] <Fackamato> np
[11:50] <Ruby> im going to try...
[11:50] <sii> Fackamato: yupp, exactly
[11:50] <Ruby> bb
[11:50] <sii> Fackamato: apt-cache search doesn't cut it
[11:50] <scandium> sii, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[11:50] <Dudu678> hello, i have a question about smbmount
[11:50] <scandium> let's you search hoary and warty
[11:51] <sii> scandium: ah, great, thanks
[11:51] <dmoyne>  to xamdm : try to install gdm as a replacement and telle me if you succeed ?
[11:52] <xf_> howdy; is building a hoary cd via jigdo (which i assume is possible) recommended, or is using one of the pre-produced iso's much preferred?
[11:52] <kain> xf_, there are a certain number of updates since hoary release
[11:53] <heatwave> xf_: just go for the torrent :)
[11:53] <kain> so be prepared
[11:53] <KarlosII> how do i get the screen resolution option to use 100 mhz
[11:53] <xamdm> dmoyne, works fine, didn't need to remvoe it to get kdm work ;-)
[11:53] <kent> does this meen my harddisk is about to blow? : hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } [...]  ide: failed opcode was: unknow
[11:53] <xf_> heh just found my local isp is mirroring the hoary prerelease iso, so i'll grab that
[11:53] <kain> kent, most likely yes, save your data and buy a new one
[11:53] <xf_> many people install ubuntu via jigdo/debootstrap methods?
[11:54] <xf_> did a warty installation via debootstrap the other day, worked reasonably well minus a few hiccups
[11:54] <dmoyne>  to xamdm : you mean you could install something different from what we call "kdm" ?
[11:54] <kent> kain, hmm. The strange thing is that this computer (its my brothers actually) had a harddisk that went nuts a week ago. This is a new harddisk. Perhaps its the mainboard?
[11:54] <xamdm> dmoyne, yes
[11:55] <xamdm> dmoyne, easely
[11:55] <kain> can be a bunch of things
[11:55] <dmoyne>  to xamdm : I have just re-installed gdm ; I will check what happens and report back to you.
[11:55] <KarlosII> anyone know how?
[11:57] <HostingGeek> KarlosII: edit xorg.conf
[11:57] <KarlosII> HostingGeek, well it says it should be using it
[11:58] <KarlosII> http://www.pastebin.com/261273
[12:02] <membreya> does anyone know how I install kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:04] <syltty> Does anybody how to get 'esddsp skype' to work in Hoary ?
[12:05] <nvashi> well all my screen setting have dropped down to 1024*768
[12:05] <scandium> syltty, if you find out, please tell me..having the same problem here
[12:07] <nvashi> installing hoary on another PC to seehow my wireless will fair on it
[12:07] <syltty> scandium:not much luck finding solution. I guess I have to wait for next skype version
[12:07] <nvashi> so far looking like I will be doing what you did HappyPills
[12:08] <Dudu678> does any body know why when i mount by using smbmount i get strange characters in file names, but when i do it in konqueror using smb:// i see everything ok?
[12:08] <scandium> syltty, I can get sound working (also recording using gnome's sound recorder) but skype is just silent...I hope they implement native alsa support soon, their FAQ has that item for a long time promising "in the future"
[12:10] <scandium> but that's the deal with non-free software ;p
[12:10] <gilles> the install on a laptop "acer travelmate 230" doesn't work well, the pb concerns xorg, apparently the computer doesn't support depth 24, and i have to chose depth 16. why doesn't ubuntu hoary preview doesn't recognize that ?
[12:11] <Gecko> Hey, is there any smart way of making an initrd image in ubuntu?
[12:12] <membreya> mkinitrd?
[12:12] <quar> howcome when i try to stream using the music player it says theres no application for handling mpeg? I have mplayer? what other packages do i need to stream mpeg?
[12:12] <membreya> :)
[12:12] <Gecko> membreya, well, that requires me to specify each and every module to load
[12:13] <quar> anyone?
[12:13] <quar> whta packages do i need to stream radio stations using the mplayer in hoary?
[12:14] <heatwave> quar: youre using xmms?
[12:14] <HappyPills> huh... I saw my name.
[12:14] <HappyPills> ndiswrapper stuff?
[12:15] <quar> heatwave, no the music player
[12:16] <garrut> wonder why...
[12:16] <heatwave> quar: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-misc gstreamer0.8-a52dec gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-mad gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec
[12:16] <dwa_> zweeeeeeeeeeets
[12:17] <heatwave> then restart rhythmbox (the music player) and try again
[12:17] <nvashi> HappyPills: I am using my primary PC [nvashi2 is 2nd PC]  and yes ndiswrapper may be for me as well
[12:17] <quar> heatwave, all of those?
[12:18] <quar> screw it ill use xmms
[12:18] <heatwave> quar: yes, theyre just plugins though
[12:18] <heatwave> quar: wont take up your cpu/mem or anything
[12:18] <HappyPills> yep. it's a painful experience alright...
[12:19] <HappyPills> anyway, what graphical ftp browser would people say has the closest look to Filezilla?
[12:19] <nvashi> HappyPills: that why I am doing it on one other 4 PCs I have laying around 1st
[12:19] <heatwave> HappyPills: i dont use ftp, only sftp, but i hear gftp is good (also supports sftp btw)
[12:20] <HappyPills> yep. was having some issues installing gftp
[12:20] <deFrysk> or using the ftp connector of nautilus
[12:20] <HappyPills> maybe I'll try wine with filezilla =P
[12:21] <dmoyne> to xamdm : ok you were wright it was kdm with a funny look that does not fit kcontrol tailoring features ! ; thanks a lot for your help ; that will be all for a while ; when changing logging manager you have to reboot which I did not ! ; thanks again.
[12:21] <ruffian> Hi
[12:21] <ruffian> i am having problem with my sound server
[12:21] <dwa_> tell us about it
[12:21] <ruffian> after login in, i get the following message
[12:22] <HappyPills> oh wow. Nautilus handles it pretty well
[12:22] <ruffian> device /dev/dsp can't be oped (Permission denied)
[12:22] <deFrysk> HappyPills, nautilus rules
[12:22] <dwa_> copy that
[12:22] <ruffian> The sound server will continue, using the null output device
[12:22] <mjr> ruffian, you're not in the audio group, fix that
[12:22] <ruffian> ah i see
[12:24] <membreya> wb Echylo :)
[12:24] <Echylo> :)
[12:24] <Echylo> I don't stay for long
[12:25] <Echylo> need to study math:)
[12:25] <membreya> bah
[12:25] <membreya> where's math get you
[12:25] <dwa_> good programming skills...
[12:25] <membreya> all you need to know in life is that "the man" will always screw you over
[12:26] <ruffian> Hmm, i did system -> User and groups -> select username -> User privileges -> select 'Use audio devices'
[12:26] <ruffian> Still not working?
[12:26] <dwa_> did you restart gnome?
[12:26] <ruffian> no
[12:26] <ruffian> hang on i will do that
[12:26] <ruffian> brb
[12:26] <dwa_> OK
[12:28] <dwa_> why?
[12:28] <membreya> eye candy :)
[12:28] <dwa_> why don't you just install kde?
[12:28] <sylvesterxxl> hi
[12:29] <deFrysk> -eyecandy +bloat
[12:29] <membreya> sorry, there was a macintosh running osX at work today...
[12:29] <deFrysk> dwa kununtu-desktop is the meta pack for kde
[12:29] <dwa_> i know
[12:29] <dwa_> but if one says he's going to install kubuntu i'm thinking reinstall
[12:30] <dwa_> and that's not nessecary
[12:30] <membreya> nope, dwa_ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[12:30] <membreya> hooray for hoary
[12:30] <sylvesterxxl> how viewing divx in ubuntu and mp3?
[12:30] <dwa_> good luck membreya :) i'm sticking with my gnome
[12:31] <HostingGeek> Who here likes clearlooks and wants to give their opinions on how stuff should look please /msg me
[12:31] <dwa_> omg hostinggeek is back
[12:31] <membreya> dwa_: I'm getting a new 200gb sata in 2 weeks and reinstalling ubuntu :) if i don't like kubuntu it's no huge issue
[12:31] <HostingGeek> dwa_: no i haven't left
[12:32] <dwa_> kde is just as good as gnome membreya
[12:32] <sylvesterxxl> im new in ubuntu ... how can i see divx films and best program for listening mp3?
[12:32] <HostingGeek> The devels current need more people than me and 2 other to say what looks good and what looks bad
[12:32] <membreya> dwa_: but prettier :)
[12:32] <dwa_> it's just a matter of taste
[12:32] <dwa_> i disagree
[12:32] <dwa_> gnome looks prettier :)
[12:33] <mjr> sylvesterxxl, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:33] <HostingGeek> GNOME looks more proforsanal
[12:33] <KarlosII> sylvesterxxl, speaking which, my freaking totem player in ubuntu hoary plays sound and no video with just the visualizations showing :/
[12:33] <KarlosII> HostingGeek, agreed
[12:34] <membreya> looks more what now? oooh you meant professional
[12:34] <dwa_> hehe
[12:34] <waxhead> sylvesterxxl, I followed this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:34] <Echylo> clearlooks is just fine HostingGeek  ;)
[12:35] <membreya> HostingGeek: there's a great applet for gnome with a dictionary...it holds immense value :)
[12:35] <sylvesterxxl> thanks all
[12:35] <HostingGeek> Ok still looking for 2 people to give their opinions
[12:35] <HostingGeek> they will show you mock ups and ask for a yes or no
[12:36] <Seveas> HostingGeek, opinions about what?
[12:36] <Echylo> the theme
[12:36] <Echylo> clearlooks
[12:36] <Echylo> I adore the olive one btw :p
[12:36] <Seveas> ah
[12:36] <KarlosII> what is clearlooks?
[12:36] <Seveas> I am just dist-upgrading to hoary, so no clearlooks for me yet...
[12:36] <Echylo> omg
[12:36] <Echylo> clearlooks = THEME
[12:36] <mjr> KarlosII, when that happens, you simply don't have the appropriate gstreamer video codec
[12:36] <HostingGeek> Ok if anyone does join #clearlooks on gimpnet
[12:36] <KarlosII> mjr, heh
[12:37] <HostingGeek> Echylo: Wrong!
[12:37] <Echylo> damn
[12:37] <HostingGeek> clearlooks == engine
[12:37] <Echylo> :p
[12:37] <Echylo> well
[12:37] <KarlosII> HostingGeek, huh waa???
[12:37] <Echylo> how do you call the theme then?
[12:37] <dwa_> who cares HostingGeek
[12:37] <HostingGeek> then there is also a clearlooks metacity
[12:37] <Echylo> dwa_ you're not really friendly eh,
[12:38] <KarlosII> mjr, I just installed the totem xine and now it works
[12:39] <mjr> yes, that'll play some things that the gstreamer variant won't
[12:40] <KarlosII> :>
[12:40] <sylvesterxxl> how access to irchispano org?
[12:40] <HostingGeek> Hmm no one cares enough about clearlooks to join the channel?
[12:40] <HostingGeek> clearlooks == ubuntu hoary default engine
[12:41] <membreya> default?
[12:41] <sylvesterxxl> how can acsess to irc hispano?
[12:41] <Echylo> is there a sort of mixing program for ubuntu like pcdj for windows?
[12:41] <SlackShrike> How-To upgrade the kernel of ubuntu-live-i386-hoary ?
[12:41] <nvashi> HostingGeek: just installing hoary so can't give an opinion yet
[12:42] <KarlosII> hoary is awesome
[12:42] <KarlosII> nopw if only i could get 100 resfresh rates
[12:42] <nvashi> hehe
[12:43] <sylvesterxxl> when i start ubuntu it says something about no pnpbios? but the rest loads ok and computer seems to work fine ...
[12:43] <KarlosII> no plug n play bios
[12:43] <sylvesterxxl> whats pnpbios?
[12:43] <SlackShrike> How-To upgrade the kernel of ubuntu-live-i386-hoary ?
[12:43] <KarlosII> u must have it disabled if it's a recent board
[12:43] <KarlosII> SlackShrike, WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[12:44] <Seveas> KarlosII, please keep it down on the caps...
[12:44] <HostingGeek> nvashi: come and look at the screenys
[12:44] <sylvesterxxl> pnpbios is the responsible to detect printer webcam and usb devices?
[12:44] <SlackShrike> How-To upgrade the kernel of ubuntu-live-i386-hoary ?
[12:44] <nvashi> ok
[12:44] <GarySaved> I see 'Ubuntu Live' avalible in the list of packages.  What is that for?
[12:44] <nvashi> where at?
[12:45] <HostingGeek> nvashi: when you see the first one you will automaticly install clearlooks first
[12:45] <KarlosII> SlackShrike, WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[12:45] <HostingGeek> nvashi: #clearlooks on irc.gimpnet.net
[12:45] <HostingGeek> nvashi: #clearlooks on irc.gimp.org
[12:45] <membreya> in kubuntu now :)
[12:45] <nvashi> will come with my alter nvashi2
[12:46] <supos> When I try to start Firefox on Hoary all I get is "bus error" and then it quits. Has anyone experienced this?
[12:46] <GarySaved> Does that allow me to make a live disk specific to my machine's hardware?
[12:46] <sylvesterxxl> it is a recent board but when it loads ubuntu says nopnpbios ... what is the function of pnpbios? how to make it works fine?
[12:46] <mjr> KarlosII, sylvesterxxl, in case you're interested, in this thread there are instructions on getting a gstreamer-ffmpeg (divx/etc) codec: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-223.html
[12:47] <KarlosII> mjr, I yeah i realized after
[12:47] <jazzka> hi!
[12:47] <KarlosII> SlackShrike whem i will upgarde the kernel, acoPortuguese <-0---- someone who speaks portugese help this dude
[12:47] <VladDrac> I wonder if I should upgrade my sarge to hoary...
[12:47] <jazzka> any web browser for ubuntu not based on mozilla or gecko engine?
[12:48] <GarySaved> VladDrac, I had Sarge, and switched.  This box has never worked as well.
[12:48] <KarlosII> gecko engine is grreat
[12:48] <sylvesterxxl> it is a recent board but when it loads ubuntu says nopnpbios ... what is the function of pnpbios? how to make it works fine?
[12:48] <VladDrac> gary: as well as it did with sarge?
[12:48] <Echylo> wb
[12:49] <sylvesterxxl> my new board is asus p5p800
[12:49] <GarySaved> VladDrac, MUCH better.  It detects everything on its own.  Debian never has never had that ability.
[12:49] <VladDrac> gary ah ok
[12:50] <VladDrac> well I love ubuntu on my laptop
[12:50] <KarlosII> sylvesterxxl, that's a bios setting
[12:50] <VladDrac> sarge runs fine on my desktop, so additional detection isn't really required
[12:50] <SlackShrike> when I go to bring up to date kernel of live, it I say that he does not know which is kernel that he is bringing up to date.  He break!
[12:50] <sylvesterxxl> how setting it?
[12:51] <KarlosII> sylvesterxxl, I'm not the mobo manufacturer
[12:51] <sylvesterxxl> ok
[12:53] <membreya> gah, my system crashing is really giving me the irrits
[12:54] <membreya> i blame reiserfs
[12:54] <KarlosII> membreya, ehehhe I haven't seen a kernel panic ont his box in months :) of course the last time was when , messed up the kernel compile
[12:54] <KarlosII> reiserfs has given me no issues and has in fact saved his sytem on occasion
[12:55] <membreya> KarlosII: it's not that..just my system will freeze...but it won't :| it's weird it's usually when I access a web browser..but in kubuntu i was playing with power saving on the monitor and it locked
[12:55] <membreya> weird thing is, the mouse still works
[12:55] <membreya> i just can't do anything
[12:55] <Myrtti> reiser is the spawn of the devil
[12:55] <membreya> and then it takes ages for my grub to come up, like 5 - 10 seconds
[12:55] <KarlosII> Myrtti, the best thing in the world :)
[12:55] <Myrtti> reiser and fat16
[12:56] <KarlosII> hmm sounds more like but maybe I'm wrong a hardware issue
[12:56] <membreya> KarlosII: hdd is a SATA 120 western digital
[12:56] <membreya> it's only started happening since I placed reiserfs on
[12:56] <KarlosII> :)
[12:56] <membreya> when I get my 200gb I'm going back to ext3
[12:56] <KarlosII> and a 36 GB 10,000 rpm boot drive is too
[12:57] <mjr> yah, I do recommend ext3 over reiserfs for stability
[12:57] <membreya> i might keep reiserfs on my partition with my music videos though (40gb worth)
[12:57] <mjr> though I usually mean the stability of the file system in the case that some stray bit is turned over there :)
[12:57] <KarlosII> heh
[12:58] <onkarshinde> What is min memory requirement for Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:58] <KarlosII> 128 I think
[12:58] <mjr> membreya, I'd convert that too; it's not like a typical music video storage gains anything from using reiserfs anyway
[12:59] <membreya> mjr: isn't reiserfs only a poor fs with small files?
[12:59] <mjr> membreya, actually, I think it rather shines (performance-wise) with lots of files, which are typically small
[12:59] <mjr> ('cause, well, if there's lots of them, they can't be that large ;)
[12:59] <ruffian> mjr: Thank you. That message has gone. Just sorting out the mp3 issue, so i can start playing songs :)
[01:00] <membreya> i would do a convertfs back to ext3, but the last time I tried convertfs from ext3 to reiserfs my system died in the a$$
[01:00] <mjr> and yeah, 128 megs seems to be a good realistic minimum for starting to enjoy using gnome, but Ubuntu can be used with less (though then you might want to use a lighter desktop, such as xcfe)
[01:01] <mjr> membreya, haha, yes, I'd rather just copy the stuff over to the new 200 meg disk while it still fits, mke2fs and move the stuff back :)
[01:01] <onkarshinde> Dows Ubuntu by default installs XFCE?
[01:01] <membreya> 200meg? what sort of year are you living in mjr? :P
[01:01] <lok> onkarshinde, no
[01:02] <lok> you juste have to do an apt-get for get XFCE$
[01:02] <mjr> membreya, umm, I said _gig_. Did anyone see me say meg? You're all hallucinating.
[01:02] <membreya> lol :P
[01:02] <mjr> yeah, not by default
[01:02] <onkarshinde> lok: That is costly for me. I live in a country where brodband is still very expensive.
[01:03] <membreya> lol my poor mouse, where my thumb sits I've worn away the rubber and it's down to plastic
[01:03] <lok> onkarshinde, ubuntu install gnom then a greet dependency of xfce is with gtk so you don't have to dl a big stuff
[01:03] <membreya> only had it a few months :P
[01:03] <mjr> well; of course you _can_ use gnome with 2-figure amounts of memory, but then you'll have to flex your patience muscles
[01:03] <lok> and you can also use gnome
[01:03] <miniX> How i install my sound card ?
[01:04] <membreya> stay or go Echylo :P
[01:04] <Echylo> :D
[01:04] <Echylo> should or should I go
[01:04] <Echylo> :p
[01:04] <Echylo> fucked up phrase again
[01:04] <membreya> mwuahaha :D
[01:05] <membreya> hey Quinn_Storm :)
[01:06] <membreya> i scared him off :(
[01:07] <Echylo> you scare everyone
[01:07] <Echylo> not that surprising
[01:07] <miniX> How i install my sound card ?
[01:08] <Echylo> membreya help that miniX to proof you aren't mean
[01:08] <miniX> o
[01:08] <maddler> morning all
[01:08] <membreya> open the computer and put the card in ? i don't know ..how do you mean "install" the sound card?
[01:09] <New2ubuntu> good morrow Maddler
[01:09] <New2ubuntu> where prey tell, do you hail from?
[01:13] <supos> Anyone having problems with Firefox in Hoary? When I try to start it, it just fails with a "bus error"
[01:14] <miniX> where can i get dc++ to linux ?
[01:15] <suifur> miniX: sourceforge would be a good start... where the project is hosted...
[01:15] <miniX> sourceforge = direct connect ?
[01:17] <Echylo> no
[01:17] <Echylo> you can get it there
[01:17] <supos> noone? I need to firgure out if this is a Ubuntu issue or something else?
[01:17] <supos> figure even
[01:19] <mlambie> is there a way to clear the passwords stored with gnome keyring
[01:21] <KarlosII> http://poptech.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-adblock-is-bad-for-free-internet.html <----- rotflo
[01:21] <KarlosII> http://poptech.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-adblock-is-bad-for-free-internet.html <----- rotflol
 HostingGeek: Patch for PyXDG submitted upstream and to Ubuntu. :D
[01:22] <HostingGeek> Guys there will be a menu editor!
[01:22] <tuppa> hrm
[01:22] <tuppa> is Firefox broken with anyone?
[01:22] <Slashdotpimp> ahoy governors, hows the fucking kernel doing :)
[01:22] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: They didn't accept it and the menu editor still might not make it into universe...
[01:22] <tuppa> I can't seem to save any files by left-clicking on links
[01:22] <supos> tuppa: is with me
[01:22] <KarlosII> oooh
[01:22] <KarlosII>  gah gah
[01:22] <tuppa> cool, I'm not alone
[01:23] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: cont. work on the editor and hope PyXDG will be fix on time
[01:23] <supos> tuppa: do you get "bus error" too?
[01:23] <tuppa> no bus errors
[01:23] <HostingGeek> firefox works even?
[01:23] <supos> HostingGeek: Not for me
[01:23] <KarlosII> ff works for me
[01:23] <HostingGeek> it never works
[01:24] <HostingGeek> alway has memery leaks after 10 tabs are opened
[01:24] <KarlosII> ...
[01:24] <KarlosII> did you bugzilla the leaks
[01:24] <supos> When I try to start it, it quits with no messages. When I start it from the command line it returns "bus error"
[01:25] <visor> hey anyone could get sound from flash/firefox in hoary? i read in the wiki about the esd config file to allow apps not using esd natively to use sound but i just dont have sound but going to flash site and then opening a new address crash it
[01:25] <miniX> Where can i download Valknut ?
[01:25] <kain> hi there, what's the best gui frontend to iptables for you?
[01:25] <kain> on ubuntu hoary
[01:27] <visor> kain: try Firestarter...   http://firestarter.sf.net
[01:27] <kain> thanks
[01:29] <queuetue> Can someone explain WT ***F*** is wrong with linux and audio?  Why does every program need exclusive ownership of the audio channel, and why does every program die or freeze when it encounters a locked audio instead of dealing with it gracefully - since it MUST HAPPEN TO EVERYONE!
[01:29] <queuetue> (sorry so exciteable)
[01:29] <kain> visor, nice app
[01:30] <visor> queuetue: its not linux fault
[01:30] <queuetue> visor, Who's fault is it?
[01:30] <mjr> queuetue, doesn't happen to everyone; us with audio hardware and drivers capable of mixing don't have the problem. Anyway, it can be fixed on the ALSA level by using dmix, that's just not usually configured by default (dunno why, perhaps adds latency?)
[01:30] <petemc> queuetue: yours, for not writing a patch to fic it
[01:31] <visor> queuetue: the _problem_ if you can call it like that is that the sound deppends uppon the architecture you use to play the sound trough your soundcard
[01:31] <queuetue> petemc, I've contributed plenty to both the kernel and various projects that ship with ubuntu, thank you very much.
[01:31] <petemc> sure :)
[01:31] <visor> queuetue: there is ALSA and OSS, thats the lower level stuff, then there is Arts, ESD and some others i dont really used
[01:32] <mjr> I do agree that it's a pain in the ass and dmix should be configured by default unless there are really horrible side effects
[01:32] <queuetue> mjr, So, what hardware do I need tp [urchase t make this problem go away?
[01:32] <petemc> dmix doesnt work all the time
[01:32] <mjr> (such as not being able to play video and audio in sync, in which case it should be fixed and then configured by default)
[01:32] <queuetue> Besides a full-size keyboard. :)
[01:32] <petemc> i was under the impression this is what esd is for
[01:32] <mjr> queuetue, sb live works for me
[01:33] <visor> queuetue: but when an application does not have ESound support within it would try to use directly your sound card, so, any app that does not have either support for esd compiled in, or a plugin will either not get sound or crash
[01:33] <queuetue> mjr, So, with an sb live, you can use kphone, totem, gaim and mpg123 all atr the same time?
[01:33] <mjr> queuetue, well, haven't tried that, but no reason to think one couldn't
[01:33] <stazz> queuetue: does dmix work at all for you?
[01:34] <stazz> queuetue: as in.. can two alsa-supporting applications (mpg123 isn't one) output sound simultaneously?
[01:34] <queuetue> stazz, Is there a repository where I can get dmix?
[01:34] <mjr> you don't need to get it, it comes with alsa
[01:34] <visor> solution? use the damn ALSA-Sink in gnome-audio properties in preferences instead of esd :)
[01:34] <stazz> queuetue: wget http://zzats.intterweb.com/asoundrc
[01:34] <stazz> queuetue: place that under your home directory with .asoundrc and dmix "is set up for you"
[01:34] <queuetue> Well, if I already have it, then it's not working. :)
[01:35] <mjr> queuetue, as I said, it's not configured by default
[01:35] <stazz> queuetue: Could you please try what I just mentioned
[01:35] <queuetue> mjr, Ah, ok.  reading now.
[01:35] <mjr> and by the way, dmix can be configured to work also for alsa's OSS emulation (though I don't know how, since I haven't had to)
[01:36] <mjr> (just that a friend did it)
[01:36] <visor> but yet there are some problems :S im trying to have sound from flash in firefox but i cant, i have to turn off esd :S, and if i select the alsa output to the sink properties then i would not have sound from various programs at a time
[01:36] <queuetue> stazz, once the file is inplace, what needs to get restarted?
[01:36] <stazz> queuetue: xmms for example, you have to set it to use alsa-output and "default" as the sound device
[01:36] <Shortbus> Hello everyone, is there any way we can reset the panels? I kind of messed up everything and I want to know if this is possible! Thanks! =)
[01:37] <stazz> queuetue: end esd for example, needs to be started with esd -d default
[01:37] <stazz> queuetue: but mplayer and xmms should work simultaneously, you just have to set them to use alsa.
[01:38] <Shortbus> Yeah, is there anyway to do that?
[01:38] <mjr> more info on dmix apparently here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:38] <queuetue> sudo esd -d default brings me to some shell...
[01:39] <Shortbus> queuetue - is this addressed to me? *hopes*
[01:39] <mjr> hmm, that document does say that the old OSS api wouldn't work with dmixing
[01:39] <visor> Shortbus: maybe deleting ''~/.gnome2/panel2.d''  :)
[01:41] <queuetue> Bah!  Why is audio so complicated?
[01:41] <stazz> queuetue: didn't it work?
[01:41] <queuetue> How do I know what formats my card needs? Or if it needs arts or esd or polywhatever or alsa...
[01:42] <stazz> erh, you're just making it complicated.
[01:42] <mjr> your card doesn't need arts or esd or polywhatever, those are higher level stuff
[01:42] <queuetue> stazz, sudo esd -d default bring me to a prompt and I don;t know what to do there.
[01:42] <mjr> don't run it as root
[01:43] <queuetue> mjr, if I don't run it with sudo, it reports that it'sd already running.
[01:43] <stazz> queuetue: you don't necessarily have to run esd, it's just a point I made.
[01:43] <stazz> queuetue: try it with xmms & mplayer first
[01:43] <mjr> then kill it, or whatever
[01:43] <madstop> while you're on the subject of sound server, can anybody help me deal with this error that happens every time I log in to hoary kde:
[01:43] <madstop> "Sound server fatal error:
[01:43] <mjr> audio stuff is too complicated, but not that complicated
[01:43] <madstop> cpu overload, aborting
[01:44] <mcnl_1> hello :)
[01:44] <Shortbus> visor: nope, but there is %gconf.xml that i can't delete
[01:45] <visor> Shortbus: then why dont you just remove the panels and add new ones?
[01:45] <Ruby_> guys... i need some help... when istart ubuntu (new installation) i get a blank black screen on X start... some one edvised me to change the driver in xorg.conf from nv to vesa, i did but i still get the same problem... help?
[01:46] <New2ubuntu> how do I use conqueror to bring up another local computer on my network?
[01:47] <madstop> New2ubuntu, in the "Go" menu, click on network folders
[01:48] <madstop> New2ubuntu, and then you should see an icon for Samba Shares.  Click on it
[01:48] <visor> Ruby_: try a lower refresh sync
[01:48] <queuetue> Gaim does not appear to support alsa...
[01:48] <New2ubuntu> madstop I don't have a network thing in my K menu
[01:48] <Ruby_> visor: linux noob here... didnt understand a thing of what your saing...
[01:49] <madstop> In the maien menu, New2ubuntu , there should be a menu marked "Go"
[01:49] <visor> Ruby_: uhmm ok, you did the standard install but when it loads the login manager the screen goes blank?
[01:50] <madstop> In the Konqueror menu, New2ubuntu , not the K menu
[01:50] <New2ubuntu> OH
[01:50] <New2ubuntu> ok
[01:50] <Ruby_> i gues... i doesnt only go black... i a second or two the screen goes in stand by mode... havent seen this before enywhere...
[01:50] <New2ubuntu> OK
[01:50] <New2ubuntu> I found go
[01:50] <queuetue> If I kill esd, then "esd -d default" it dtill brings me to some shell...
[01:51] <madstop> sorry, I wasn't clear New2ubuntu -- do you see Samba Shares?  if you don't, you might not have Samba support installed
[01:51] <New2ubuntu> I do
[01:51] <New2ubuntu> it says it can't find a workgroup
[01:51] <New2ubuntu> where do I configure my work group?
[01:52] <madstop> hmm, New2ubuntu -- I get that error when the other machines on my Lan aren't turned on--
[01:53] <visor> Ruby_: well can you access at least a virtual console? (Alt+F1, Alt+F2....)
[01:53] <New2ubuntu> its on
[01:53] <Ruby_> yeah... i can...
[01:53] <madstop> are you accessing a windows workgroup by any chance?
[01:53] <queuetue> How do I launch esd in daemon mode?
[01:53] <New2ubuntu> yeah
[01:53] <New2ubuntu> I have a console up
[01:53] <visor> Ruby_: what is your videocard and display and so?
[01:53] <ReD_MiDNighT>  
[01:53] <madstop> if so, then configuring the workgroup in windows and enabling shares etc should do it
[01:54] <Ruby_> visor: its an old Nvidia... Gforce 2 i think...
[01:54] <ReD_MiDNighT>      ?
[01:54] <queuetue> Linux audio is such a *&#$% mess...
[01:54] <madstop> mine worked "out of the box", New2ubuntu , so I'm not sure I can help with your setup.
[01:55] (ReD_MiDNighT/#ubuntu) peoples how to connect to the internet from ubuntu?????????
[01:55] <garrut> lol
[01:55] <ReD_MiDNighT> lol
[01:55] <sdogi> wow
[01:55] <queuetue> Do I have to run esd as a background task in a console?
[01:56] <New2ubuntu> Ok
[01:56] <New2ubuntu> then lets just say I wanted to browse on that computer
[01:56] <New2ubuntu> what prefix would I put ahead of the computer name?
[01:57] <ReD_MiDNighT> facking english russian forever
[01:58] <garrut> ok...
[01:58] <Ruby_> erm... visor? :(
[01:58] <queuetue> Even that doesn't work - esd belches so much debug junk to the terminal that it locks up after a few seconds, running in the background...
[01:58] <visor> Ruby_: well then do this in a virtual console...  ''dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common''
[01:58] <visor> Ruby_: oh i forgot ''sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common''
[01:59] <Ruby_> i need root for this?
[01:59] <visor> Ruby_: that should give you a wizard in console to set up the display and video card, try to select the right choices and then it should do, if not then ask then for help
[02:00] <visor> Ruby_: you dont use root in ubuntu, you use sudo
[02:00] <visor> so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common... i already wrote that
[02:00] <kresten> Hi everybody! Is it possible to install java through apt-get?
[02:00] <Ruby_> oh... ok... have to remember that... thanks a lot :D
[02:01] <deFrysk> kresten, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:01] <kresten> deFrysk, thanks!
[02:01] <deFrysk> kresten, happy reading :)
[02:01] <queuetue> Does anyone know how to restart esd so it does not tie up a console?  How does it normally get started?
[02:02] <vaijr2002> good morning everyone
[02:03] <garrut> queuetue: dunno, but if you start it from a console just put a & behind the command
[02:03] <kain> do you know if there is something similar to kmilo (for thinkpads) for gnome?
[02:03] <visor> queuetue: esd &
[02:03] <vaijr2002> anyone any good with xmms
[02:03] <vaijr2002> think i got everything ok but still no sound
[02:04] <garrut> vaijr2002: yeah i can press play like a pro
[02:04] <vaijr2002> lol
[02:04] <queuetue> garrut, visor, unfortunately, it spits such volumes of junk that the console is unusable.
[02:04] <vaijr2002> i got all the plugins configured and stuff
[02:05] <visor> queuetue: so what is this you want to do at the end?
[02:05] <garrut> queuetue: start it from the menu: applications - run application
[02:06] <topyli> vaijr2002: plugins like the output plugin for example? :)
[02:06] <vaijr2002> yeah
[02:06] <vaijr2002> dunno if i am missing one or not
[02:06] <dwa_> does sound work in other apps?
[02:06] <vaijr2002> no
[02:06] <vaijr2002> i get no sound at all
[02:06] <dwa_> then i'm guessing that's your problem
[02:06] <vaijr2002> soundblaster audigy 2 platinum ex
[02:06] <queuetue> visor, what I want to do is use more than 1 audio application at a time.  I've been told dmix makes this possible (it didn't.) and that esd does, (kind of, but not many applications support it.)
[02:07] <dwa_> try to change your multimedia system
[02:07] <vaijr2002> um
[02:07] <vaijr2002> where?
[02:07] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : preferences > multimedia selector
[02:07] <dwa_> multimedia system selector
[02:07] <vaijr2002> in xmms right?
[02:07] <dwa_> no in gnome
[02:07] <vaijr2002> oh ok
[02:07] <underlord> im on a cable broadband system, in the rain sometimes the modem dropes out for a sec and reconnects, the problem is that its hooked in over the usbnet module, and whenever the modem resets my ubuntu installation goes offline, i have tried removing and adding the usbnet module, and also running dhclient, but it seems the kernel doesnt even create the new device in /dev when it comes back, what can i do to avoid constant reb
[02:08] <vaijr2002> cant find that
[02:08] <dwa_> underlord : try not to put your modem outside in the rain
[02:08] <vaijr2002> found it lol
[02:08] <underlord> the modem isnt in the rain :P
[02:08] <vaijr2002> my card doesnt show in output
[02:08] <visor> queuetue: im affraid that only esd applications or arts one's can do that but there is a dirty hack wich is starting an app to use esd like this:  esddsp spyke
[02:09] <visor> err, esddsp skype
[02:09] <visor> for example
[02:09] <vaijr2002> just alsa osd osss
[02:09] <dwa_> what is it on now?
[02:09] <vaijr2002> alsa
[02:09] <underlord> dwa_: its to do with the temprature, different metals contract at different rates and cause noise, so when rain comes in my usualy hot climate sometimes modems reset
[02:09] <linuxboy> does hoary have a splash screen on boot ?
[02:10] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : try esd or alsa
[02:10] <apokryphos> linuxboy: no
[02:10] <visor> linuxboy: no it hasnt, but there is some hack around...
[02:10] <dwa_> that;s really strange underlord
[02:10] <Fu2|xAz> boo
[02:10] <underlord> its a normal thing in my area
[02:10] <queuetue> GAH, why can't any of the distributions get together and solve the audio and printing problems in linux?  I've been using it as a desktop for 6 years, and no one has made any headway on either front.  it's all myterious "try this - try that - x works for me - coming soon" ...
[02:10] <Jesterace> wee netsplit
[02:10] <linuxboy> visor: any url to the hack ?
[02:10] <vaijr2002> testing pipeling
[02:10] <apokryphos> linuxboy: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/
[02:11] <Fu2|xAz> haha! im scary!
[02:11] <kain> about bootsplash, I see a thread regarding usplash, there is some packages somewhere, btw I see that the kernel installed have "splash" ad parameter, if I go into framebuffer mode with vga=whatever I see a sort of icons popping around during boot
[02:11] <dwa_> where do you live underlord ? venus?
[02:11] <underlord> sydney, australia
[02:11] <Tomcat_> queuetue: I guess most people don't have problems with the way it is today, and so it's okay for them. I haven't had desktop audio problems in the last 5 years in Linux.
[02:11] <underlord> on optus cable
[02:11] <darkkyo> where can i found a good sources.list for ubuntu hoary 5.04 preview?
[02:11] <vaijr2002> when i do test it doesnt stop testing] 
[02:12] <dwa_> i'm sorry i don't have any experience with modems stopping because of the rain
[02:12] <Tomcat_> queuetue: I agree that it's not perfect the way it is. But I guess there's too many people who don't have problems, so nobody fixes anything. :)
[02:12] <visor> kain: strange, i didnt, just plain higher resolution but no icons or eyecandyness ar all
[02:12] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : you have to stop it yourself
[02:12] <apokryphos> linuxboy: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[02:12] <queuetue> Tomcat_, So you can just use kphone, totem, xmms, mpg123, gaim .. all simultaneously with a stock debian/ubuntu install?
[02:12] <vaijr2002> ok
[02:12] <underlord> well, not exactly because of the rain, because of the temprature, and it doesnt stop perminently, just momentarily
[02:12] <kain> visor, those icons appears at the top of the screen, overriding kernel woutput
[02:12] <kain> output*
[02:12] <kain> and they are ugly :P
[02:12] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : if it doesn't work make sure you have your audio drivers loaded
[02:13] <underlord> but hoary doesnt seem to care when it comes back online and refuses to acknolage themodem is there
[02:13] <dwa_> open a console and enter: ps aux|grep sound
[02:13] <Tomcat_> queuetue: It's not like using them all simultaneously is a "standard" task.... I wouldn't do that even in Windows. And even in Windows problems occur when you do that kind of stuff. :o
[02:13] <dwa_> sorry vaijr2002 : type: lsmod|grep sound
[02:13] <kain> visor, this is my grub line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash vga=792
[02:13] <queuetue> Tomcat_, Well, using kphone, xmms and gaim simultaneously is certainly a "standard" task... Does this work for you?
[02:13] <kain> I added only vga=792
[02:14] <queuetue> Tomcat_, Because it does not for me.  Typically, one wins, one loses and one dies.
[02:14] <visor> linuxboy: there is http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org but seems to be down right now
[02:14] <underlord> same thing happens if i just disconnect the usb connector and reconnect it, ubuntu must be somehow initialising it at boot
[02:14] <vaijr2002> soundcore               9824  2 snd
[02:14] <Tomcat_> queuetue: The last time I had xmms and gaim running they both worked. Same with xine and gaim... :o
[02:14] <visor> kain: strange, i have the same but different vga value
[02:14] <vaijr2002> thats what i get
[02:14] <kain> visor, nanofreesoft was down even yesterday
[02:15] <visor> kain: no, i downloaded the debs yesterday
[02:15] <dwa_> so your sound card is detected properly
[02:15] <Tomcat_> queuetue: As I said, I don't believe the situation is perfect, but *maybe* most people don't have problems... I don't know people who use Linux and have audio problems. Or maybe they don't talk about it. It's hard to tell. :)
[02:15] <kain> strange, I read the thread about usplash and wanted to download debs but no connection
[02:15] <queuetue> Tomcat_, You're not answerring my question, but thank you for trying.
[02:15] <visor> well if anybody wants them i can upload them
[02:15] <visor> to my site
[02:15] <vaijr2002> that the detection stuff for soundblaster audigy 2?
[02:15] <kain> visor, they works?
[02:15] <dwa_> no for the general sound driver
[02:16] <kain> that would be nice
[02:16] <visor> kain: in my ati M7 mobility (AKA 7500) does
[02:16] <Tomcat_> queuetue: Sorry I thought it was more of a statement or request for discussion... didn't see it as a question. I can't answer it, sorry. :o
[02:16] <queuetue> Anyone else, is there a distro that gets closet to having audio work?  One that's worked out all the conflicts between all of the competing technologies of alsa, oss, dmix, arts, esd, polywhatever, etc?
[02:16] <kain> I have a i915 that uses i810 driver.. too bad
[02:16] <queuetue> s/closet/closer/
[02:17] <visor> kain: however it seems that only for booting because when shutdown it does show nothing but the plain text but yet it is still a hack not a finished thing
[02:17] <dwa_> try this vaijr2002 : lsmod | grep emu10k1
[02:17] <kain> visor, yes, I read the related thread
[02:17] <kain> but giving it a try would not be bad
[02:17] <kain> "breakmyubuntu"
[02:17] <kain> :D
[02:17] <vaijr2002> ok
[02:17] <visor> queuetue: buy a SB Live card or something than you get natively full duplex and all that fancyness
[02:18] <vaijr2002> bunch of stuff showed up
[02:18] <queuetue> visor, Ok, so this problem *can* be fixed with hardware - simply replacing it will make everything "just work"?
[02:18] <visor> kain: it doesnt install nothing else, you only need libfb, libstdc++ and another library i dont know, but yeah, you dont lose that much
[02:18] <kain> visor, k
[02:18] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : and you are sure gnome sound doesn't work? it's not just xmms?
[02:19] <DemisM> how do I add programs to my menus?
[02:19] <stazz> queuetue: didn't the dmix work for you at all?
[02:19] <vaijr2002> havent heard any system bells or anything
[02:19] <visor> queuetue: yeah, a friend of mine has one with this emu10k1 chip or something like that called and the multi sound thing worked in suse, mandrake, fedora and so
[02:19] <queuetue> stazz, absolutely no difference whatsoever.
[02:20] <vaijr2002> yeah i had it working in suse also lol
[02:20] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : go to preferences > sound
[02:20] <dwa_> in gnome
[02:20] <stazz> queuetue: are you sure you checked the settings with both xmms and mplayer?
[02:20] <apokryphos> DemisM: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[02:20] <stazz> queuetue: Those were the ones I told you try first try it with
[02:20] <vaijr2002> yes
[02:20] <visor> well brb
[02:20] <queuetue> stazz, I do not have mplayer installed.  My goal is to get kphone and gaim to work together.
[02:21] <vaijr2002> i get nothing testing the sounds for sound events either
[02:21] <queuetue> stazz, with mpd, if that is possible.
[02:21] <vaijr2002> ok gotta go for a few. bbl thanks for the help
[02:21] <bwlang> anybody know how to get nautilus to not open so many windows?
[02:21] <stazz> queuetue: well, I could tell you how but it seems you would make it a really time-consuming effort
[02:22] <queuetue> stazz, It already has been, but thanks for the suggestion that didn't work. :)
[02:22] <dwa_> did you start the soundserver vaijr2002 ?
[02:22] <dwa_> is there a check with start soundserver on startup?
[02:22] <stazz> queuetue: it _does_ work with _certain_ applications
[02:22] <stazz> queuetue: as in applications that support alsa
[02:23] <queuetue> stazz, I'm looking to get it to work with the specific applications I mentioned.  Other applictions do not interest me especially.
[02:23] <stazz> queuetue: the rest can be solved with artsd/esd.
[02:23] <vaijr2002> yes
[02:23] <vaijr2002> says to start it at startup
[02:23] <stazz> queuetue: you're not working with me here :)
[02:23] <dwa_> mmm
[02:23] <vaijr2002> yeah kinda strange to me too
[02:23] <queuetue> stazz, I was not aware we were working on *anything* - it appears I have a hardware problem.
[02:24] <stazz> queuetue: That's not necessarily true.
[02:24] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : did you try the forums?
[02:24] <stazz> queuetue: I have a soundcard that appears not to support native mixing.
[02:24] <dwa_> vaijr2002 : not sure if i can help you with this
[02:24] <queuetue> If spending 20 bucks on a new soundcard saves me from amorning of hopeful voodoo configuration, then yes - I have a hardware problem.
[02:24] <stazz> queuetue: and I can play just about everything simultaneously..
[02:24] <stazz> queuetue: with very minimal configuration.
[02:25] <queuetue> stazz, Can you play sounds from gaim. kphone and mpd simultaneously?  This is what I am trying to do.
[02:25] <vaijr2002> well thanks for trying dwa
[02:25] <queuetue> stazz, Other applications do not really interest me at the current time.
[02:25] <stazz> queuetue: You've said that repeatedly and I know what you're trying to do.
[02:26] <queuetue> stazz, Then why do you keep giving me generic advice and hope that it might work if I use the correct applications?
[02:26] <stazz> queuetue: gaim (esound using dmix) + mpd (dmix) is doable, kphone (arts using dmix) will work too.
[02:26] <stazz> queuetue: Because that would be the first step to the solution I would have been proposing.
[02:27] <queuetue> stazz, By doing nothing more than editing the file you showed me earlier, you are saying that kphone, gaim and mpd all work for you.
[02:27] <stazz> queuetue: No, I never said that.
[02:27] <queuetue> stazz, That was meant as a question. :)
[02:27] <vaijr2002> back in a bit. gotta take kiddies to school
[02:28] <p88> In FreeBSD there is a chflags command. What is this command in linux?
[02:28] <queuetue> Ok, i am looking to get kphone, mpd and gaim all working at the same time.  A solution that does something differnet does not interest me right now, even from an academic standpoint.
[02:28] <kain> p88, maybe chattr?
[02:29] <stazz> queuetue: I very, very well know what you are wanting to do. I even have a solution for you.
[02:29] <p88> chflags is a command to set a file "system immutable" or "user immutable"
[02:29] <kain> yeah
[02:29] <kain> sudo chflags uchg file-name(s)
[02:30] <queuetue> stazz, Thanks for all your help.  I suspect that if you keep "helping" me than no oe else will, though.
[02:31] <stazz> queuetue: You're really being an asshole.
[02:31] <stazz> queuetue: I mean, I didn't even get started!
[02:32] <stazz> queuetue: I was planning to tell you how to use both arts and esd simulatenously with dmix to allow you play sound from *any* application simultaneously.
[02:32] <Nermal> just get rid of arts and esd
[02:32] <Nermal> use alsa
[02:32] <Nermal> both are a pain in the ass
[02:32] <stazz> I've *never* had any trouble with esd.
[02:33] <Nermal> esd is pretty evil
[02:33] <stazz> and as esd supports alsa, it goes very well with dmix-using applications.
[02:33] <apokryphos> aRts is fine for what it does
[02:33] <Nermal> and uneeded to a large extend with hardware mixing
[02:33] <queuetue> stazz, Ok, I appreciate your plan, but I was hoping to find someone that was less stuck in the 'planning' phase, and more interested in helping me actually solve the problem.
[02:33] <apokryphos> though officially unmaintained by a dev now, I believe.
[02:34] <stazz> queuetue: You know, I really could have told you how to do it, as in, get it out of the planning phase ;)
[02:34] <Nermal> "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable."
[02:34] <Nermal> - Alan Cox
[02:34] <Nermal> :)
[02:34] <queuetue> stazz, You could have, but for some reason have not yet.  Thanks for the effort, but maybe you should "help" someone else.
[02:35] <queuetue> It's getting difficult to stay civil here.
[02:35] <Nermal> queuetue, tried just using alsa ?
[02:35] <stazz> Nermal: yes, I told him how to. he's not interested.
[02:35] <Nermal> ah
[02:35] <queuetue> Nermal, Some applications (namely, gaim) do not work with alsa.
[02:35] <Nermal> ah
[02:36] <kent> queuetue, you dont have to talk like that. If your not happy with what some one tries to do, just ignore.  But it actually seems like he tries to help you..  :)
[02:36] <stazz> he's just impatient.
[02:36] <queuetue> kent, Unfortunately, if someone is trying to help you - no matter how misguided, then other generally will not.
[02:39] <kent> queuetue, Well, then just stop talking to the person you feel is misguided? It seemd like a discussion that was starting to go overheated.. and thats never good.  Just ignore. Its better.  :)
[02:40] <stim_la_plak> hi
[02:41] <kent> btw, will performance decrease alot if i disable dma on the ide? I got some strange errors from the drive last night and thought I might try if something happens if U turn of dma.  (Like, will the dvd-burner become *slow* or something).
[02:41] <stazz> kent: with dma is faster than without :)
[02:41] <Nermal> around 10 times quicker usually
[02:41] <stazz> kent: and yes, performance will plummet
[02:42] <stim_la_plak> hi, sorry guys i'm a newbie, just installed ubuntu but how to connect to internet? im using adsl modem
[02:42] <stazz> what are the errors you're getting?
[02:42] <GarySaved> How do I put applications on the Panel? I do not see it on the menus.
[02:43] <dmouritsendk> GarySaved, drag and drop the launchers to the panel. Or rightclick it
[02:43] <GarySaved> Hehe ... I just woke up ...
[02:43] <GarySaved> Yep
[02:44] <stim_la_plak> hi, can someone assist me to get into internet?
[02:44] <dmouritsendk> GarySaved, you can add widgets to it by rigtclick it and selecting "add"
[02:45] <GarySaved> I have it.  I do not see an app to keep checking E-Mail.
[02:46] <dmouritsendk> GarySaved, there should be a inbox monitor
[02:46] <Nermal> stim_la_plak, easy unless you're using a usb modem
[02:46] <stazz> queuetue: heh, just noticed, gaim supports alsa ;)
[02:46] <stim_la_plak> no im using ethernet modem
[02:46] <Nermal> stazz, doesn't surprise me
[02:47] <Nermal> hum.. then just configure the ethernet card for dhcp ?
[02:47] <stazz> but it's via aplay, so it's basically about cheating :p
[02:47] <stim_la_plak> pk nermal
[02:47] <stim_la_plak> ok nermal
[02:48] <noxfu> I dist-upgraded from warty to hoary and flash broke.  Which package should I install to get flash working again in firefox?  libflash-mozplugin didn't work.
[02:48] <stim_la_plak> i'll try now, thanks
[02:49] <AcidWolf> anyone know how i might resolve Audio problem on Hoary PPC
[02:49] <AcidWolf> i have system sounds howeber have no other sound not even the drum sounds at login
[02:49] <AcidWolf> i have tried the Forums
[02:50] <queuetue> stazz, maybe yours does.  Mine doesn't.
[02:52] <dmouritsendk> AcidWolf, what system sound do you have? and are the sound drivers loaded?
[02:52] <darkkyo> anyone have a good sources.list for hoary 5.04 preview?
[02:52] <AcidWolf> i have Apple G4 Powerbook 15 Aluminium
[02:53] <AcidWolf> yes
[02:53] <AcidWolf> i did a full upgrade this afternoon
[02:53] <AcidWolf> fresh installation so i had alot to upgrade now that all that is done and still no sound
[02:53] <AcidWolf> however when i did apt-get upgrade there were some updates held back
[02:54] <AcidWolf> i had this same problem when i stepped up to hoary from warty about a month ago but this time i decided to download the hoary ISO instead of using apt
[02:55] <AcidWolf> everything is working fine except sound
[02:55] <dmouritsendk> AcidWolf, ok. can u try and paste the output of your /proc/asound
[02:55] <AcidWolf> ok give me a second
[02:56] <Tycho451> Hi, can anyone give me hand in changing the refresh rate on my new installed ubuntu?
[02:56] <Tycho451> The only thing I can select is 60Hz
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> time to manually edit the X config files then perhaps.
[02:57] <mjr> Tycho451, basically what you'll need to do is edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or xorg.conf if in Hoary), the Monitor section, so that it spesifies your monitors capabilities
[02:57] <Tycho451> Ok, thanks. I'll try
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> you do mean select as in the 'set screen settings' control panel tool?
[02:57] <Tycho451> Yes Dr_Willis
[02:57] <mjr> Tycho451, namely, you'll want to spesify HorizSync and VertRefresh ranges, which you can get from your monitor manual
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> yea - that tool gets its infro from the XF86config-4 file or xorg.conf file.
[02:58] <mjr> (modern monitors should communicate these to the X server via DDC, but old monitors and/or cards may need the manual settings)
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> is this a lcd monitor by the way?
[02:58] <Tycho451> No, old 17" CRT
[02:58] <mjr> yep, thought as much :)
[02:59] <noxfu> I dist-upgraded from warty to hoary and flash broke.  Which package should I install to get flash working again in firefox?  libflash-mozplugin didn't work.
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> if its real old. you may want to be very carefull. :P
[02:59] <mjr> so the X server is just making conservative assumptions so that it wouldn't blow your monitor up ;)
[02:59] <mjr> if you can't find the manual, some monitors have the values on the back, and then there's Google
[03:00] <Tycho451> It's not that old (I hope)
[03:00] <Tycho451> If im not back in 10min it blew up
[03:00] <stazz> the monitor's manual is a good place to look at, too :)
[03:00] <Tycho451> Yeah...like I ever had a manual for that thing...it was 2nd hand ;)
[03:01] <mjr> well, of course you can do it by testing too; it shouldn't be _too_ likely to blow up the device, but do so on your own risk anyway ;)
[03:01] <mjr> I'd still try googling first
[03:02] <Tycho451> And even if...not very usefull things have their way of disappearing after some years :D
[03:02] <Tycho451> I think theiy are on the back of it
[03:03] <Tycho451> I already had them looked up when I used PowerStrip to create a monitor driver one time
[03:03] <mjr> righto
[03:03] <caffinated> Tycho451: looking for monitor frequency ranges?
[03:04] <Tycho451> Yes
[03:05] <caffinated> for which model monitor?
[03:05] <Tycho451> Belinea 10 70 10
[03:05] <Tycho451> 17"
[03:06] <caffinated> Tycho451: http://www.belinea.com/monitore/Modell-Archiv/17_Zoll/archiv7010.asp
[03:06] <caffinated> good luck
[03:06] <mjr> righto
[03:06] <mjr> there they are
[03:06] <kresten> What is the command to create a new dir from the console?
[03:06] <Tycho451> Thanks a lot
[03:06] <mjr> kresten, "mkdir"
[03:06] <fgx> kresten, mkdir
[03:07] <kresten> thanks!
[03:07] <caffinated> no problem, i've done the frequency game more than a few times ;)
[03:07] <dieffel> hi all! i have a problem with gDesklets and my sensors... how can i fix that?
[03:08] <garrut> well, since you explained your problem perfectly, i dunno...
[03:08] <fgx> kresten, if the dir is empty you can remove it with rmdir, if not you have to use rm -rf "yourdir"
[03:08] <kresten> ok!
[03:08] <kresten> And copying?
[03:08] <fgx> kresten, cp
[03:08] <kresten> tnx :D
[03:09] <Lightboy> does n e one know how to get ubuntu hoary to play dvd's
[03:10] <Tycho451> Ok, XConfig is edited. But the resolution change tool still only displays 60Hz. Do I need to restart the XServer?
[03:10] <garrut> Tycho451: yes you do
[03:10] <Tycho451> ok, thanks
[03:11] <Lightboy> does n e one know how to get ubuntu hoary to play dvd's
[03:11] <DXT> i set a new personal record: winxp is running for a 1w 4h without crashing xD amazing. too bad i really want to install hoary now :(
[03:12] <_linux_newb_> xp runs fine for me
[03:12] <caffinated> DXT: i've had it up for months.  usually the reboot is due to drivers/updates
[03:12] <_linux_newb_> just dont like it but need it for work
[03:12] <BigIslandVegan> Might somebody help me set up bluetooth on Hoary ppc with PowerBook G4 1Ghz
[03:13] <BigIslandVegan> DXT what is 1w, 1 watt?
[03:13] <BigIslandVegan> :-p
[03:13] <DXT> im actually not the type that keeps his pc open without purpose.. just happened so it ran a week straight (lotsa bittorrenting..)
[03:13] <DXT> one whoop ass
[03:13] <CarlK_> Lightboy - start here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:13] <CarlK_> BigIslandVegan - you done anything with a bluetooth mouse?
[03:13] <BigIslandVegan> i haven't Carlk
[03:14] <CarlK_> I hate haveing things pluged into my laptops's usb
[03:14] <BigIslandVegan> I'm wishing to get online through the Motorola v600 like I do on Mac OS X
[03:14] <dsoft> hiya
[03:14] <dsoft> where can i find user thrash?
[03:14] <Nermal> eh ?
[03:15] <dsoft> or, how can i empty my trash
[03:15] <Nermal> right click - > empty trash ?
[03:15] <caffinated> heh
[03:15] <DXT> people, a word of advice to you - don't buy the WR850G Motorola router.. it is THE MOST annoying piece of plastic and circuits ever created on this earth.
[03:15] <dsoft> but, where? i cant see any thrash icon
[03:15] <Nermal> rm -rf ~/.Trash/* ?
[03:15] <Nermal> on the panel ?
[03:15] <caffinated> dsoft: rightclick on the panel and add the panel applet
[03:15] <BigIslandVegan> I haven't figured out how to access any software tools to configure the bluetooth components which i found and installed with synaptic
[03:16] <Nermal> BigIslandVegan, hcitools
[03:16] <BigIslandVegan> hcitools, hmm, ok, is it gui?
[03:16] <dsoft> oki, thx :)
[03:16] <kresten> fgx, How do you change file permissions? Or... Which command do you use?
[03:16] <_linux_newb_> chmod
[03:17] <DXT> cya, installing hoary :D
[03:17] <fgx> kresten, chown "permission" file, i suggest you "man chown" "man chmod"
[03:18] <BigIslandVegan> Nermal, how do i find hcitools?
[03:18] <sdogi> just one question, where is ubuntu universe repository being fetched?
[03:18] <sdogi> debian woody?
[03:18] <Nermal> aptitude search hci ?
[03:18] <BigIslandVegan> Nermal, is this something you have used?
[03:18] <Nermal> a little
[03:18] <Nermal> I use it to talk to my nokia 6230
[03:18] <kresten> fgx, yeah, thats wat i'm doing all the time. I just need to learn the different commands...
[03:18] <underlord> in the packages whats the difference for example between a version of "0.8.8-1ubuntu1" and "0.8.8-1ubuntu2"?
[03:18] <Nermal> I've used hciconfig, and l2ping etc
[03:19] <BigIslandVegan> Nermal, would it allow me to get online, do you think?
[03:19] <Nermal> try this -> http://zenit.xs4all.nl/html/deb6230en.html
[03:19] <Nermal> probably, but it won't be too simple
[03:19] <Nermal> underlord, a different ubuntu build
[03:19] <dsoft> what the hell, how can i delete a file throught X-windows without send to trash? (dele)
[03:20] <Nermal> dsoft, gconf -> apps -> nautilus
[03:20] <Nermal> you have to enable it here
[03:20] <fgx> kresten, "apropos somethingyouneed", is your friend too
[03:20] <Nermal> and it's not through x-windows, it's through nautilus
[03:21] <Nermal> key: /apps/nautilus/preferences/enable_delete
[03:21] <BigIslandVegan> synaptic doesn't see hcitools, fyi
[03:21] <BigIslandVegan> i know you said apt but i'm not familiar with it
[03:21] <BigIslandVegan> this is all new to me
[03:21] <BigIslandVegan> the linux thing
[03:21] <Nermal> #apt-get install bluez-hcidump bluez-pin bluez-utils libbluetooth1 libsdp2
[03:22] <Nermal> thats in the howto I gave you
[03:22] <Nermal> try reading it
[03:22] <kresten> fgx, ???
[03:22] <Nermal> *pies of rage*
[03:23] <BigIslandVegan> yes, i am reading it now, just wanted you to know that
[03:23] <BigIslandVegan> and get any feedback
[03:23] <BigIslandVegan> you might have
[03:23] <dwa_> yawn
[03:23] <fgx> kresten, try "apropos owner" or "apropos permission" or "apropos whateveryouneed", you will have a list of possible commands you need
[03:23] <BigIslandVegan> i'm a bit afraid of trying something like apt that i'm unfamiliar with :-o i think i installed those bluez and other items already through synaptic
[03:23] <BigIslandVegan> sorry to bore you dwa
[03:24] <Nermal> synaptic is just a front end to apt
[03:24] <Nermal> geez
[03:24] <kresten> fgx, ahh ok.
[03:24] <dwa_> i'm just sleepy BigIslandVegan
[03:24] <Nermal> apt-get is *nice*
[03:24] <dsoft> how can i exe nautilus with root acces?
[03:24] <Nermal> you should try dpkg :P
[03:24] <Nermal> dsoft, you shouldn't need to
[03:24] <_Demian_> Amaranth, someone told me you know a way to edit the menus in hoary
[03:24] <BigIslandVegan> what is dpkg?
[03:24] <dsoft> well, then how can i really delete root trash files?
[03:24] <Nermal> the actual package manager
[03:24] <Amaranth> _Demian_: It's a little b0rked right now.
[03:24] <dwa_> BigIslandVegan : man dpkg
[03:25] <_Demian_> Amaranth, borked?
[03:25] <Amaranth> _Demian_: Ask again tomorrow. :)
[03:25] <Nermal> sudo rm -rf /root/.Trash/*
[03:25] <Amaranth> _Demian_: Not working.
[03:25] <Nermal> obviously
[03:25] <_Demian_> Amaranth, wil do
[03:25] <_Demian_> Amaranth, thnx
[03:25] <BigIslandVegan> oh yes, i guess i would check the manual in terminal, i haven't yet looked at the terminal :-o
[03:25] <dsoft> /home/.trash0/*
[03:25] <Amaranth> _Demian_: You can use the old version, if you'd like.
[03:25] <BigIslandVegan> you technoids have good patience with me :-)
[03:25] <Tycho451> Ok, refresh rate sucessfuly changed. Thanks for the help again.
[03:25] <Amaranth> It has issues for some people but if you don't have them you should be fine.
[03:25] <_Demian_> Amaranth, any version wil work for me :)
[03:26] <_Demian_> Tycho451, what kind of problems did you have with your monitor?
[03:26] <Amaranth> _Demian_: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.3-1_all.deb
[03:26] <BigIslandVegan> well, it would be nice if they included the bluetooth stuff in the default package for ppc since there is no hardware support for the wifi chipset apple uses
[03:26] <_Demian_> Amaranth, thnx
[03:27] <BigIslandVegan> bluetooth would give a wireless option, with people's mobile phones
[03:27] <BigIslandVegan> very useful
[03:27] <BigIslandVegan> :-)
[03:27] <Tycho451> It wasn't identified properly, so I could run it only on 60Hz...which gave me a serious headache
[03:28] <BigIslandVegan> does that seem to be a reasonable suggestion?
[03:28] <_Demian_> Amaranth, ehm... how do I install it :)
[03:28] <_Demian_> Amaranth, I'm still a newbie :D
[03:28] <Amaranth> _Demian_: download it to your home folder
[03:28] <Tycho451> My next personal goal is to find out how to install a rpm. "rpm" told me to use alien.
[03:28] <Nermal> rpm -ihv ?
[03:28] <goldfish> yep
[03:28] <goldfish> alien command
[03:29] <_Demian_> Amaranth, I did
[03:29] <_Demian_> Amaranth, an then tried sh
[03:29] <Amaranth> _Demian_: Then open a terminal and type sudo dpkg -i menueditor_0.3-1_all.deb
[03:29] <_Demian_> right
[03:29] <_Demian_> thnx
[03:29] <BigIslandVegan> sorry nermal if my ignorance is giving  you pies of rage
[03:29] <_Demian_> I forgot about that one
[03:29] <Amaranth> then you should have an entry in your system tools menu
[03:29] <Tycho451> Alien isn't cooperating though...ati drivers produce an error and opera doesn't return any message
[03:30] <Nermal> BigIslandVegan, oh it's not just you
[03:30] <tritium> installing ati rpms is just begging for problems
[03:30] <BigIslandVegan> well, all of you folks are very appreciated, i must say
[03:31] <stim_la_plak> hi guys, can someone help me on the internet connection problem?
[03:31] <Tycho451> :D Thats what I wanted to hear tritium ;)
[03:31] <Tycho451> It's a x86_64 system to make things even more complicated I guess
[03:32] <tritium> the fglrx drivers don't work for you
[03:32] <tritium> ?
[03:32] <_Demian_> Amaranth, thnx
[03:32] <stim_la_plak> hi guys, can someone help me on the internet connection problem?
[03:32] <Amaranth> _Demian_: no problem
[03:32] <garrut> stim_la_plak: what problem
[03:32] <BigIslandVegan> thanks everybody for your suggestions, i will continue tomorrow with new knowledge
[03:32] <Tycho451> It's the first time I installed linux on my PC. I hope I can get it far enough to do my normal buissnes on it, so I can get used to it a bit better...
[03:32] <BigIslandVegan> woo hoo
[03:33] <Tycho451> Yes, tritium. They won't install
[03:33] <Tycho451> None of the two
[03:33] <tritium> Tycho451, the .debs won't install?
[03:33] <stim_la_plak> how to set up connection via ADSL broadband on stand alone pc
[03:34] <dwa_> stim_la_plak : using an usb modem?
[03:34] <Tycho451> I tried "alien fgl...rpm" and got an error
[03:34] <stim_la_plak> no..its network card modem
[03:34] <tritium> Tycho451, the first things you should try are the native ubuntu packages
[03:34] <httpdss> stim_la_plak: pppoeconf
[03:34] <garrut> then there's not much to setup is there, if your modem is correctly configured...
[03:35] <Tycho451> Is .debs the native ubuntu package?
[03:35] <Nermal> yah
[03:35] <Nermal> well.. debian package
[03:36] <Tycho451> ok, I'll search for the newest ati drivers in that format
[03:36] <Nermal> Tycho451, why
[03:36] <Phython> Is Martin Pitt on irc anywhere?
[03:36] <Nermal> is X not working ?
[03:36] <tritium> Tycho451, you need linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[03:36] <tritium> Tycho451, apt-cache search fglrx
[03:36] <mus> hello, what i wanna know is do i have to use X in order to surf the web, connect to irc and so on.
[03:37] <mus> my computer installed linux is so old that (pentium166MMX) i have difficulties on X
[03:37] <HostingGeek> Phython: yes he is in #ubuntu-motu
[03:37] <Tycho451> No, nermal, I just thought it would be generally a good idea to have the latest video drivers
[03:37] <Phython> HostingGeek: I found him as pitti, thanks
[03:37] <zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
[03:38] <pitti> Phython: yes, here
[03:39] <apokryphos> zooko: hi :)
[03:39] <Tycho451> "apt-cache search fglrx" didn't produce any message, but maybe nermal is right. I shouldn't tamper with the videodrivers if it works right now.
[03:39] <Phython> pitti: Why doesn't /usr/local/share/locale work?
[03:40] <Phython> I have mo files installed there on my machine
[03:40] <pitti> Phython: this is something I want to convince upstream about
[03:40] <pitti> Phython: this should work, but doesn't at the moment
[03:40] <pitti> Phython: however, upstream just refuses to see the need for this :-(
[03:41] <Tycho451> Is using alien in a terminal window the normal way to install new software (like e.g. Opera)?
[03:41] <Phython> pitti: Send a patch to either read /usr/local/share/locale or have it configured via a file
[03:41] <NormD> mus: I vaguely remember lynx for browsing, can't remember a cli irc client, but I'm sure searching sourceforge or freshmeat would turn up a few hits.
[03:41] <Phython> pitti: no, they are refusing to see the need of supporting a new way to do stuff
[03:41] <tritium> Tycho451, you must not have enabled the restricted component
[03:42] <tritium> All the fglrx packages are in "restricted"
[03:42] <Phython> mus: irssi for irc
[03:42] <pitti> Phython: I explained them the need to install local translations into a separate directory, but Ulrich Drepper still insists that this is a packaging bug...
[03:43] <Phython> pitti: yeah, that's not a libc bug
[03:43] <Phython> the libc bug is not having a way to read arbitrary locale directories
[03:43] <mus> okey, and is it confortable to use NOT X software in usual usage or it is hard, what do you think
[03:43] <Nermal> mus, web -> lynx, links, w3c
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> heh - isent there an irc client called... 'irc' :P  the original?
[03:43] <Phython> and your original solution was rejected
[03:43] <Nermal> irc -> bitchx, ircii, irsii
[03:43] <HostingGeek> Tycho451: Opera make debs for opera
[03:43] <pitti> Phython: the missing libc feature is a _list_ of standard directories, not just a single one
[03:43] <Tycho451> tritium: I'm not sure what you are talking about
[03:44] <Phython> pitti: then add that
[03:44] <pitti> Phython: generally /usr/share/locale/:/usr/local/share/locale would be a nice default
[03:44] <NormD> heh.  a P166 would cramp just about everything...I'd look into retrobox.com for a "new" used machine....: )
[03:44] <pitti> Phython: for Ubuntu, we add /usr/share/locale-langpack
[03:44] <Phython> pitti: What you should add to the list is /usr/local/share/locale, not what you suggested originally
[03:44] <tritium> Tycho451, http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[03:44] <pitti> Phython: yes, I already added such a feature, but I asked upstream about how to improve it
[03:44] <tritium> Tycho451, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[03:44] <Phython> pitti: sure, but you want to have the list done by directory list, not modified time
[03:45] <pitti> Phython: priority by list position would be fine for other distros too, I guess, but not necessarily for the purpose of language packs
[03:45] <Phython> pitti: it should be enough for language packs as well
[03:46] <pitti> Phython: in the long run it will be enough, just not for Hoary
[03:47] <NormD> hrrm....how specifically "tailored" for ubuntu are the repositories? i.e. would packages work on another debian-based distro such as mepis?
[03:48] <Tycho451> Thx tritium. I have read it.
[03:49] <tritium> Tycho451, sure.
[03:49] <pitti> Phython: we did not strip translations for all our packages yet, but as soon as we did, we don't need the timestamps any more
[03:49] <Phython> pitti: Right.  Do be careful next time you bring something up with the glibc folks, you have to be very specific and not go down the wrong path while trying to show your point
[03:49] <pitti> Phython: however, the libintl code is a mess, that's why I asked upstream where it makes most sense to hook this
[03:49] <Phython> pitti: So, excluding the multiple directories bit (which is really only mentioned in passing) uli was right
[03:50] <jbailey> pitti: Well, no - the proble you mentioned before is still true.  Users are forced to install with a prefix of /usr
[03:50] <Phython> jbailey: which *is* the users mistake
[03:50] <pitti> Phython: I wouldn't call "stop this nonsense" and "it's a packaging bug" right if I explain the need for locally installed software...
[03:50] <Tycho451> Though I'm not sure I fully understand the first link
[03:50] <jbailey> Phython: No, the C library needs a locales search path concept.
[03:51] <pitti> Phython: it's not the user's mistake, it's a necessity with current libc (for the mo files)
[03:51] <pitti> jbailey: exactly
[03:51] <jbailey> Phython: I wouldn't do it with time stamps, I'd iterate through them in the right order and stop at the first one.
[03:51] <Phython> jbailey: yes it does
[03:51] <Lightboy> rythembox wont play flac or mp3's.. i have installed all the correct codecs. xmms handles it fine but
[03:51] <Phython> jbailey: right, that is the way most other path search work
[03:51] <tritium> Tycho451, you need to make sure you have listed the restricted component in your /etc/apt/sources.list, or you won't be able to find the fglrx drivers
[03:52] <jbailey> Phython: Right.  I will rework this patch to do it that way at some point in the future.
[03:52] <Phython> pitti: locally installed software in /usr is a packaging problem, not a glibc problem
[03:52] <pitti> AAAAAAAARGH
[03:52] <Phython> pitti: you indicated there is a problem users installing stuff in /usr.  That is something they shouldn't care about
[03:52] <pitti> Phython: dude, did you never install software with configure, make, make install in /usr/local=
[03:52] <Phython> pitti: you are correct in what you want, but the argument didn't do what you wanted  ;)
[03:52] <jbailey> Phython: Semantics.  We have to reasonably give them the option with a search path.
[03:52] <pitti> s/=/?
[03:53] <Phython> pitti: yes, and that is why I have files in /usr/local/share/locale
[03:53] <pitti> Phython: if the user is forced to put translations into /usr, this is not a packaging problem. it's entirely outside the concept of packages
[03:53] <pitti> Phython: but /usr/local/share/locale doesn't work ATM
[03:53] <Phython> pitti: it's sort of rare to have en_CA translations so I'm not surprised I didn't notice those translations not working
[03:54] <Phython> pitti: dealing with user installed software in /usr is a packaging problem
[03:54] <pitti> Phython: oh right, it's not immediately obvious to English speakers :-)
[03:54] <Phython> pitti: Having /usr/local/share/locale is a different problem
[03:54] <pitti> Phython: why is this a packaging problem?
[03:55] <Phython> pitti: If you put both problems in the same paragraph the important one (/usr/local/share/locale) is ignored
[03:55] <Tycho451> restricted is on. multi and universe is off
[03:55] <Phython> pitti: because what is in /usr is a distribution issue, if you want to work around users putting stuff in /usr then deal with it!
[03:55] <pitti> Phython: but the point is that without /usr/locale/share/locale, the user is *forced* to use /usr/share/locale
[03:56] <Phython> pitti: no, the user is forced not to have translations
[03:56] <pitti> Phython: which is crap either way
[03:56] <pitti> Phython: the clean solution would be to support multiple locale directories
[03:56] <Phython> pitti: yes, but people putting stuff into /usr is not the problem you want to solve
[03:56] <Phython> so bring it up only brings badness
[03:57] <pitti> Phython: but most upstream software just puts mo files into /usr/share/locale
[03:57] <pitti> Phython: exactly because of the lack of other alternatives
[03:57] <pitti> Phython: so while this is not the same bug, one is the consequence of the other
[03:58] <Phython> pitti: yes, translations not working is caused by /usr/local/share/locale not being searched
[03:58] <pitti> exactly
[04:03] <Tycho451> What would be the correct mount command to mount a NTFS partition (hdb1) read only to /mnt/hdb1? (I'm SU'ed and /mnt/hdb1 existst)
[04:04] <Tycho451> "mount --help" is not very detailed
[04:05] <tritium> Tycho451, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:05] <_ronny_> hi, i can't burn any cd's with joliet :-/ "mkisofs returned an unknown error (code 1)"
[04:06] <AcidWolf> anyone know where i might find the init script for the esd daemon
[04:07] <tritium> AcidWolf, all init scripts are in /etc/init.d/
[04:07] <paulproteus> Tycho451: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[04:07] <AcidWolf> ty
[04:07] <Nermal> mount -t nfts -o ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[04:07] <paulproteus> That's the easy case, for read-only.
[04:07] <Nermal> s/nfts/ntfs
[04:07] <paulproteus> Tycho451: mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[04:07] <paulproteus> uid = 1000 makes all the files owned by the first Ubuntu user.  You can replace 1000 with a username.
[04:08] <Tycho451> Thanks a lot
[04:09] <AcidWolf> hrrrrmz
[04:09] <AcidWolf> interesting
[04:10] <AcidWolf> for some reason esd daemon seems to run default at boot and in turn is hogging the sound driver so my sound for everything else doesnt work
[04:10] <AcidWolf> yuck
[04:12] <vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
[04:12] <vaijr2002> i am having some probs gettin mp3's to play in xmms
[04:12] <AcidWolf> join the club
[04:13] <vaijr2002> checked everything. i dont get system sounds either
[04:13] <AcidWolf> what version
[04:13] <DXT> Bah. The preview disc i dled was b0rked... the only time I didn't MD5SUM checked, lol... :(
[04:13] <vaijr2002> version of what?
[04:13] <mcnl_1> help help help :( new ubuntu install... first X whuldnt start, i was told to configure it, now when i enter dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it says xserver-xork is broken or not fully installed or something like that... what to do?
[04:13] <AcidWolf> what version of ubuntu @ vaijr2002
[04:13] <vaijr2002> ummmmm
[04:13] <vaijr2002> warty?
[04:13] <AcidWolf> what machine are you using
[04:14] <vaijr2002> amd athlon
[04:14] <AcidWolf> k
[04:14] <AcidWolf> pvt me
[04:14] <burbuja> hi all!
[04:14] <mcnl_1> vajir2002: i downloaded three times, all were broken... i dont think the MD5 is right
[04:14] <vaijr2002> damnit someone told me the command how to check to see what versiion
[04:14] <vaijr2002> hmm
[04:14] <vaijr2002> i got everything working so far but my sound
[04:15] <mcnl_1> i get problems with xorg :)
[04:15] <optika> vaijr2002: cat /etc/issue
[04:15] <optika> vaijr2002: or just open up /etc/issue in a text editor
[04:15] <jason> I get an error when booting VFS: cant find ext3 fs on /dev/hda3, it still boots fine but I use reiser and would like to make this error message stop, any ideas?
[04:15] <vaijr2002> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[04:16] <keffo> hoho
[04:16] <keffo> huge hoary update right now
[04:17] <vaijr2002> okies
[04:17] <vaijr2002> when i go to multimedia server and select alsa and test i get error about cant create/connect to pipelinie
[04:19] <deshboard> hello
[04:19] <deshboard> anyone there?
[04:19] <dwa_> no
[04:20] <garrut> me neuther
[04:20] <deshboard> great, so if you are not here I guess you couldn't help me configure ajunta
[04:20] <deshboard> *anjuta
[04:20] <zooko> I'm not here, because when I booted it couldn't load root fs, because root fs was reiser3.
[04:20] <dwa_> what's the problem with anjuta?
[04:20] <pluesch0r> evening. anyone else experiencing problems with gnome/freezing OS when upgrading from warty to hoary?
[04:20] <deshboard> it won't compile, neither would Kdev
[04:20] <pluesch0r> seems to have something to do with gnome-panel and the trash applet ..
[04:21] <deshboard> sais it can't find the G++
[04:21] <dwa_> can't you download a .deb?
[04:21] <dwa_> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:21] <dwa_> try that
[04:21] <deshboard> me?
[04:21] <dwa_> yes
[04:21] <dwa_> not sure what you are planning to do with anjuta though...
[04:22] <pluesch0r> is there something comparable to bugs.debian.org on the ubuntu homepage?
[04:22] <tritium> bugzilla
[04:22] <keffo> damn
[04:22] <keffo> ;P
[04:23] <pluesch0r> right.
[04:23] <deshboard> j00 r0ck
[04:24] <pluesch0r> well .. did anyone else have problems after upgrading to hoary?
[04:24] <zooko> Not me.
[04:24] <Mithsir> Hello! When I click on "Devices" in Konquerer, I get an error dialog box saying "Protocol not supported: devices" (or something like that). What am I missing? (sorry, this is a kubuntu question, but maybe someone can help)
[04:25] <mijndert> pluesch0r, My sound didn't work after upgrading :)
[04:25] <pluesch0r> mijndert: would be great if _that_ were my problem.
[04:25] <mijndert> hehe
[04:26] <dwa_> aaaaah kwifje
[04:26] <pluesch0r> fsck .. also freezes when i start nautilus.
[04:26] <dwa_> a.k.a. kwoffer
[04:28] <onkarshinde> Has anyone installed ubuntu in Bochs emulator?
[04:30] <^thehatsrule^> nop
[04:32] <cusco> hi
[04:32] <cusco> Im having troubles with my wireless conection...
[04:32] <cusco> its always going down
[04:32] <cusco> like now... and my lag is rising
[04:32] <cusco> so maybe I reconnect meanwhile
[04:32] <cusco> or maybe you can't see this...
[04:32] <cusco> :/
[04:32] <cusco> looks like I reconnecte
[04:33] <coachz> hi
[04:33] <^thehatsrule^> ya we can see
[04:34] <coachz> Does Vmware run under ubuntu?
[04:34] <pluesch0r> coachz: yes.
[04:34] <coachz> with ubuntu as host
[04:34] <pluesch0r> coachz: _yes_
[04:34] <coachz> i currently run vmware in debian as host
[04:34] <goldfish> Is there an xterm config file?
[04:34] <pluesch0r> coachz: i'm running vmware both in debian and ubuntu as host..
[04:34] <jason> anyone use polypaudio?
[04:35] <pluesch0r> goldfish: use ~/.Xresources
[04:35] <cusco> I went down again
[04:35] <goldfish> pluesch0r: cheers
[04:35] <Taleel> I#m running VMware on Ubuntu, as well
[04:35] <Taleel> works great
[04:36] <jason> is there a free alternative to vmware?
[04:36] <goldfish> lol
[04:36] <pluesch0r> jason: bochs.
[04:36] <goldfish> get it for free :)
[04:36] <pluesch0r> jason: you could also get the public beta .. which can be downloaded for free.
[04:36] <jason> I mean free like speach
[04:36] <Taleel> jason: if you want to run only virtual Linux machines: http://www.faumachine.org/
[04:37] <petemc> jason: qemu
[04:37] <Taleel> (not tested by me yet, I've just seen it at the CeBIT last week)
[04:38] <jason> thanks :)
[04:38] <pluesch0r> sigh .. i'd really like to know how to troubleshoot this problem .. both gnome and kde freeze .. however, the terminal only session works.
[04:38] <^thehatsrule^> but right now vmware beta 5 is free
[04:38] <^thehatsrule^> you could try it
[04:39] <jason> it is not free, they give you the source?
[04:39] <pluesch0r> jason: what are you trying to proof?
[04:39] <^thehatsrule^> huh? vmware BETA is free right now
[04:40] <DarthFrog_> Free beer, free speech.
[04:40] <jason> just that it is not free in my view of what makes software free
[04:41] <DarthFrog_> jason: Which is why the term Free Software is a bad one.  Ambiguity in the usage of the word free.
[04:41] <jason> anyway I just asked if there was a free as in libre alternative to vmware
[04:42] <shai> *sobs* anjuta hates me
[04:42] <jason> the english laguage is laking in that area :(
[04:43] <DarthFrog_> jason: Freedom is a quality of life, price is a quality of things.
[04:43] <pluesch0r> yes.oooooh, yes. it's a kernel issue.
[04:43] <pluesch0r> thank god.
[04:44] <Taleel> jason: the FAUmachine is free as in speech.
[04:44] <shai> anyway, I've finally menaged to somehow moake anjuta compile something
[04:44] <shai> but when I tell the damn thing to run it I get "there is no executable for this program"
[04:45] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell what this means? Kernel panic - not syncing : Fatal Exception in interrupt
[04:45] <jason> Taleel: thank you
[04:47] <shai> well, can anyone tell me where anjuta keeps the executables?
[04:47] <vaijr2002> shai look in /usr/local/bin see if its there
[04:48] <vaijr2002> most exe's are in /bin folders
[04:48] <vaijr2002> hi Darth
[04:48] <Darthfrog> Good morning vaijr2002
[04:48] <vaijr2002> how are ya today buddy
[04:48] <coachz> pluesch0r, how is ubuntu different than debian?  I'm an old debian user tired of old packages.
[04:48] <vaijr2002> got that mysql prob fixxed, and that program installed woot woot
[04:49] <shai> nope, empty
[04:49] <Darthfrog> vaijr2002: Good for you.
[04:49] <Darthfrog> coachz: Ubuntu is a superb desktop Debian, packages very up-to-date.
[04:50] <vaijr2002> yeah just cant get me sound working
[04:50] <vaijr2002> i think i got everything right
[04:50] <shai> is there anyway to config anjuta to find it's own compiled executables?
[04:50] <trans_err> i just bought a new mobo, installed everything, but my processor is running 500mhz under its max-- it reports 1200 when its a 1.7ghz processor
[04:50] <coachz> Darthfrog, and i can use apt-zip to update my home off network pc right?
[04:50] <vaijr2002> worked in suse and gentoo lol
[04:50] <trans_err> amy ideas?
[04:50] <vaijr2002> dunno shai
[04:50] <trans_err> its an asus mobo
[04:50] <shai> well... I'll search for an anjuta support chat :/
[04:50] <shai> thanks anyway
[04:50] <Darthfrog> coachz: I've never heard of apt-zip before. I should assume so, Ubuntu is debian-compatible.
[04:51] <coachz> Darthfrog, can you tell me the current version available for Postgresql, PHP and Mysql?
[04:51] <coachz> cuz i really want leading edge packages available
[04:52] <vaijr2002> brb
[04:52] <sylvesterxxl> is there an easy way to install codecs for divx?
[04:53] <Darthfrog> coachz: Postgres 7.47, PHP 4.4.3, MySQL 4.023
[04:53] <coachz> Deathfrog and that's my problem.  those are old
[04:53] <coachz> can't i get new packages in ubuntu?
[04:53] <coachz> PG is 8.0.1  and PHP is over 5
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> use testing?
[04:54] <coachz> in Gentoo I can get them but I don't want to compile all day
[04:54] <dizzie> sylvesterxxl, install win32 codecs from mplayerhq's website
[04:54] <Darthfrog> coachz: Are those levels you want available in Sid?
[04:54] <coachz> nope they are not
[04:54] <coachz> and that is what shocks me
[04:55] <^thehatsrule^> maybe cause its always being updated heh
[04:55] <sylvesterxxl> dizzie:win32 codecs from mplayerhq so where is it? i cant see
[04:55] <Darthfrog> Well, Debian tends to be a bit conservative. :-)
[04:56] <^thehatsrule^> hehe true
[04:56] <ikaro> hellas!
[04:57] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[04:57] <dizzie> sylvesterxxl, http://ftp5.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/releases/codecs/essential-20050216.tar.bz2
[04:57] <sylvesterxxl> dizzie:where in the hard disk i install it?
[04:59] <dizzie> Depends on player, usually they goes to /usr/share/win32 ... check manual, i cant remember
[04:59] <Fackamato> hm
[04:59] <Fackamato> what do I need in order to mount nfs shares?
[04:59] <desrt> Fackamato; an NFS server :)
[04:59] <Fackamato> portmap, nfs-common, nbd-client, nfs-user-server
[05:00] <Fackamato> those I got
[05:00] <Fackamato> still can't mount my nfs exports on the server
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> those arent samba compatible?
[05:00] <Fackamato> just sits there
[05:00] <Fackamato> samba?
[05:00] <desrt> on the client side, it seels, you only need support in the kernel
[05:00] <desrt> *seems
[05:00] <desrt> are you trying to setup client or server?
[05:00] <Fackamato> the client
[05:00] <Fackamato> the server is already configured
[05:00] <desrt> i don't think you need that stuff
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> samba's the windows network sharing thingy ;p
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> guess it isnt
[05:00] <Fackamato> well, I still can't mount
[05:01] <desrt> you should just be able to do mount -t nfs server:/path/on/server /mnt/point
[05:01] <desrt> assuming your kernel has nfs support
[05:01] <desrt> (modprobe nfs)
[05:01] <Fackamato> root@fackamato:/home/fackamato # mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/www/warez /home/fackamato/warez_on_amiga
[05:01] <Fackamato> just sits there
[05:01] <Fackamato> btw, warez = my jpegs
[05:01] <Fackamato> ;)
[05:01] <desrt> oh
[05:01] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[05:01] <desrt> ubuntu knows about warez
[05:01] <fungus> check that portmap is running.  `rpcinfo -p`
[05:01] <desrt> it has built-in copy protection technology
[05:02] <Fackamato> portmap is running along with status, nfsd and mountd
[05:02] <Fackamato> s/nfsd/nfs
[05:02] <Tomcat23> I'm in the middle of a ubuntu install and I've got a quick question.....
[05:03] <fungus> I meant check that portmap is running on the client.
[05:03] <Fackamato> fungus: it is, that was output from the client.
[05:03] <fungus> oh, why is your client running mountd,nfs,and status?  that is not necessary.
[05:04] <Tomcat23> ...I've enabed S.M.A.R.T. in the bios, and now I'm getting an error that the disk is failing... could that be because I've just repartitioned and reformated the drive?
[05:04] <Fackamato> fungus: because I tried to get nfs to work.
[05:04] <Fackamato> still doesn't.
[05:05] <fungus> from the client run `rpcinfo -p <server>`
[05:05] <DXT> http://abum.com/?show_media=5889 the most dumb ass thing i saw in ages... but still funny
[05:06] <knewt> Tomcat23: what does smartctl say about things?
[05:06] <Fackamato> fungus: it just sits there, no output
[05:06] <Tomcat23> knewt: what's smartctl?
[05:06] <fungus> That is your problem, your server is not responding to portmap requests from the client.  firewall??
[05:06] <knewt> Tomcat23: [[ smartctl - Control and Monitor Utility for SMART Disks ] ] 
[05:07] <knewt> part of smartmontools
[05:07] <Tomcat23> is it on the live or install disks?
[05:07] <Fackamato> no firewall :/
[05:07] <coachz> I see PG 8.0.1 listed here.  Is that in "standard" ubuntu or an unstable version?   http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[05:08] <coachz> oh, that's source i guess
[05:08] <Tomcat23> knewt: I did an install, a reboot and then while I was installing packages it hung for a long time, so I rebooted and now I get that error...
[05:09] <fungus> Fackamato, try running `rpcinfo -p` on the server.
[05:10] <Fackamato> fungus: I get portmapper, status, nfs, nlockmgr, mountd
[05:11] <Spooks> Hey hey
[05:12] <andril> hello all
[05:12] <`helix> is there any way to get libapache-mod-php4 in ubuntu for apache
[05:13] <andril> since I upgraded to Hoary - alot of my GTK,Metacity & Icon themes just don't work - anyone having similar issues?
[05:13] <fungus> Fackamato, run `sudo tcpdump port 111` on the client, then in another window run `rpcinfo -p <server>`.
[05:14] <fungus> You should see traffic going in both directions.
[05:16] <Fackamato> fungus: yeah I did
[05:16] <farruinn> Tomcat_: you can't boot back into the system?
[05:16] <Fackamato> I did see traffic with tcpdump, but rcpinfo just said nothing. still can't mount, this is strnage
[05:17] <`helix> so there is no libapache-mod-php4
[05:17] <fungus> did you see replies from the server?  or just the requests?
[05:17] <farruinn> Tomcat_: sorry, guess you're not Tomcat23
[05:18] <Tomcat_> :P
[05:18] <farruinn> heatwave: try libapache2-mod-php4
[05:18] <andril> any theme issues?
[05:18] <farruinn> oops, `helix ^^^
[05:18] <`helix> but i dont want it for apache2
[05:18] <Fackamato> fungus: both
[05:18] <Fackamato> 17:16:00.635766 IP fackamato.830 > www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc: S 1729540802:1729540802(0) win 5840 <mss 1460>
[05:18] <Fackamato> 17:16:00.635968 IP www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc > fackamato.830: S 1349580188:1349580188(0) ack 1729540803 win 5840 <mss 1460>
[05:18] <Fackamato> 17:16:03.636027 IP fackamato.830 > www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc: S 1729540802:1729540802(0) win 5840 <mss 1460>
[05:18] <Fackamato> 17:16:03.636276 IP www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc > fackamato.830: S 1352580076:1352580076(0) ack 1729540803 win 5840 <mss 1460>
[05:19] <alican> hi ..
[05:20] <alican> How can I run X progs with root priv..
[05:20] <goldfish> dont
[05:20] <^thehatsrule^> sudo blah
[05:20] <`helix> sudo <application>
[05:20] <fungus> Fackamato, odd.  do you have any iptables rules `sudo iptables -L`
[05:20] <farruinn> alican: use gksudo, you risk running into problems using just sudo
[05:20] <goldfish> will that not own his Xauthority
[05:20] <goldfish> or something like that
[05:20] <`helix> alican: sudo <application>
[05:21] <Get> when I try to compile php5 from the howto in the wiki, I got error: ext/libxml/libxml.lo: file not recognized: File truncated
[05:21] <Fackamato> strange, actually yes
[05:21] <farruinn> goldfish: ~/.ICEauthority, correct =)
[05:21] <Fackamato> how do I disable iptables, fungus ?
[05:21] <Get> how to fix?
[05:21] <goldfish> farruinn: hehe
[05:21] <alican> `helix,  t asks pass
[05:21] <goldfish> that happened to me :)
[05:21] <`helix> alican: huh?
[05:21] <goldfish> Lesson:  never run x apps using root.
[05:21] <zooko> Sigh.  When I compile the kernel myself, it is unable to boot.
[05:21] <goldfish> :)
[05:21] <fungus> Fackamato, `sudo iptables -F`
[05:21] <ikaro> and then you cant get online again :>
[05:21] <alican> `helix, angelaus@angel:~$ sudo xmms
[05:21] <alican> Password:
[05:22] <`helix> type your password
[05:22] <farruinn> alican: use gksudo, don't use sudo with X apps
[05:22] <ikaro> alican, use visudo to edit the /etc/sudoers file
[05:22] <alican> you mean usert pass ?
[05:22] <`helix> yes
[05:22] <goldfish> alican: Why are you running xmms as root?
[05:22] <farruinn> no kidding
[05:22] <Symbiote> can somebody tell me where i can find the default ubuntus CD burners config file? i need to change path to where it saves the image
[05:22] <Fackamato> fungus: dohg, thanks
[05:22] <`helix> Symbiote: what application do you use?
[05:23] <ander_> et
[05:23] <sianis> hi all
[05:23] <Symbiote> i dont know its the default one
[05:23] <Symbiote> doesnt have a name
[05:23] <goldfish> prolly the nautilus cd burner
[05:23] <Symbiote> CD/DVD creator
[05:23] <Symbiote> ya probably
[05:24] <`helix> is it possible to use debian packages with ubuntu
[05:24] <Symbiote> u use debian packeges iwth ubuntu
[05:24] <Symbiote> so where can the config file be?
[05:24] <farruinn> `helix: yes, but it is not recommended, they're built against different libraries
[05:24] <akk> I'm trying to allow remote X connections on ubuntu.
[05:24] <`helix> omg then how i am suppost to get libapache-mod-php4
[05:25] <akk> I've tried removing the -nolisten tcp from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, which does the job on debian
[05:25] <akk> but it doesn't seem to be enough on ubuntu.
[05:25] <farruinn> `helix: I use 'sudo apt-get source -b [package] '
[05:25] <Chipzz> akk: ubuntu as client or as server?
[05:26] <nmoore> has anyone got "skype" running? i'm having a problem with libXft.so.1
[05:26] <akk> Chipzz: X server running on ubuntu, X client running on another machine trying to display to ubuntu.
[05:26] <paulproteus> akk: You're sure you don't want to SSH X forwarding instead?
[05:26] <Symbiote> can anyone recomend a good cd writer for ubuntu then? i tried xcdroast but thats way too complicated
[05:26] <paulproteus> Symbiote: k3b is widely recommended.
[05:26] <Neill> k3b
[05:26] <Symbiote> ok thnx
[05:26] <akk> paulproteus: I haven't had good luck getting ssh to work with passwordless connections.
[05:26] <`helix> xcdroast seems pretty easy to me
[05:26] <caffinated> Symbiote: i second the k3b recommendation
[05:27] <akk> paulproteus: This is on a lan, so it would be a whole lot easier just to use regular remote X.
[05:27] <caffinated> i've tried them all, k3b is the only one i found worthwhile
[05:27] <Symbiote> isnt k3b for KDE?
[05:27] <Symbiote> i use gnome
[05:27] <caffinated> Symbiote: yes, but you can use it in gnome
[05:27] <`helix> there is kde for hoary
[05:27] <deFrysk> Symbiote, try graveman in gnome
[05:27] <akk> kde apps in non-kde are annoying because they spew hundreds of lines of crap to stdout, but they work well anyway.
[05:28] <Symbiote> okl
[05:28] <paulproteus> akk: /me nods
[05:28] <caffinated> akk: what you don't see won't hurt you ;)
[05:28] <garrut> sianis: dwa says hi
[05:28] <deFrysk> Symbiote, you can also try gnome-baker : http://people.debian.org/~goedson/debian/packages/gnomebaker/snapshots/gnomebaker_0.3-1_i386.deb
[05:28] <deFrysk> they both can easyly replace k3b bloat
[05:29] <Symbiote> k
[05:29] <Symbiote> btw is there a way to increase the size of a partition without loosing data on it?
[05:29] <deFrysk> >;)
[05:29] <akk> eroaster is a nice lightweight burner, but I don't know how well it works in the modern 2.6 and dvd burning world.
[05:29] <Chipzz> akk: do you have X forwarding on on the other machine, and installed xbase-clients on it?
[05:29] <Darthfrog> Symbiote: Yes.  Use gparted.
[05:29] <Symbiote> ok thanks
[05:29] <Chipzz> akk: with on, I mean, enabled in the sshd_config?
[05:29] <Chipzz> akk: the -nolisten option is not required here to get it working
[05:30] <akk> Chipzz: I haven't tried ssh forwarding at all.  I run remote clients from the other machine to all my other machines without needing ssh.
[05:30] <Chipzz> akk: ssh is the easy way, you don't need xhost or anything
[05:30] <tsume> :)
[05:30] <akk> "ssh" and "easy" in the same sentence ... I'm dubious.
[05:31] <tsume> ubuntu is nice so far(hoary is anyway)
[05:31] <Chipzz> akk: very much so
[05:31] <tsume> akk: ssh is easy
[05:31] <akk> Chipzz: So what's involved in getting that to work?  No, there's nothing in the remote machine's ssh config.
[05:31] <Chipzz> akk: I always use ssh to run remote X apps because not using ssh is too much of a kludge
[05:31] <tsume> ssh -X host
[05:31] <akk> Kludge?  It works well in everything except ububtu .. I've been using remote X for years.
[05:31] <Chipzz> chipzz@Vector:~$ grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[05:31] <Chipzz> X11Forwarding yes
[05:31] <Chipzz> X11DisplayOffset 10
[05:32] <Chipzz> apt-get install xbase-clients
[05:32] <Chipzz> and then ssh -X otherhost
[05:32] <Chipzz> and run your program
[05:32] <tsume> akk: then you are doing it wrong(tm)
[05:32] <akk> xbase clients is installed.
[05:32] <Chipzz> akk: on the remote machine?
[05:32] <akk> Yes.
[05:32] <akk> "ssh -X otherhost" -- where does the name of the X program come in?
[05:33] <Chipzz> akk: you can do ssh -X otherhost xclock
[05:33] <Chipzz> or you can just execute xclock from the shell you get with ssh
[05:33] <Chipzz> either will work
[05:33] <akk> It prompts me for a password.
[05:33] <victoria> nadie habla espaol?
[05:33] <Chipzz> doesn't ssh always?
[05:33] <akk> And then it doesn't work.
[05:33] <akk> It says "command not found" even though typing the command from the cmdline works fine.
[05:34] <Chipzz> akk: did you restart the ssh server on the remote host after changing the config?
[05:34] <Symbiote> Darthfrog, where can i get gparted?
[05:34] <akk> Chipzz: I'm confused here.  Why is the ssh server on the remote host involved?  Shoudn't it be the ssh server on my desktop, where the X server is running?
[05:34] <Chipzz> akk: no not at all
[05:35] <akk> The remote host is my mail server, where I'm reading mail and I want to display a photo someone sent me (for example).
[05:35] <akk> So I'm in mutt and I call the mime handler to display a .jpg
[05:35] <Chipzz> akk: ssh to the remote host, and then try to run xauth
[05:35] <padlefot> how do i give myself acc to view the ntfs disk i just mounted?
[05:35] <Symbiote> didnt found it in packeges
[05:35] <Chipzz> akk: see if that works
[05:35] <Symbiote> its called gpart it seems
[05:36] <akk> I'm clearly not understanding this.  This "ssh -X imbrium cmd", is that going to be typed on the local machine or the remote machien?
[05:37] <neiras> Hello - using ubuntu is it possible to listen to aiff files, or convert them to wavs?
[05:37] <bung__> apt-cache search aiff
[05:37] <Symbiote> can anyone else recommend another good partition app?
[05:37] <bung__> brings up loads of stuff
[05:37] <neiras> cool
[05:37] <Chipzz> akk: on the local machine
[05:38] <Symbiote> i need to increase the size of a partition without loosing data
[05:38] <akk> Chipzz: I need to be able to run a command on the remote machine, because I'm in mutt and dealing with a mime attachment.
[05:38] <Chipzz> akk: try to get it working from a normal shell first instead of from mutt
[05:39] <akk> Fine for testing; but if it requires running a command on the local machine, it will never work from mutt.
[05:39] <bung__> that's a good idea that is
[05:39] <DXT> What's the best (ease of use and comfort wise) formula editor for linux? In windows I was using MathType.
[05:40] <bung__> DXT: are you looking to making the computer do stuff with it, or just make it look pretty?
[05:40] <DXT> look pretty :)
[05:40] <ncp> how is ubuntu if i choose server? is it just with out desktop?
[05:40] <bung__> learn latex
[05:41] <DXT> and what would you answer me if I have said "to making the comp do stuff with it"?
[05:41] <bung__> seriously, it makes all your stuff look professional
[05:41] <bung__> probably warez maple or something
[05:41] <bung__> although I suck at using it
[05:41] <nmoore> DXT: emacs calc does a lot of maths stuff
[05:42] <DXT> ok..
[05:43] <sylvesterxxl> how can i place a short cut to a folder in the main window in ubuntu?
[05:43] <JokeR2> hello
[05:43] <DXT> is there anything close to mathtype? I tried the oo.org thingie (don't remember the name) - it was _ok_ but still it was missing a few things.
[05:43] <bung__> seriously, latex.
[05:44] <sylvesterxxl> how can i place a short cut to a folder in the main window in ubuntu?
[05:44] <akk> Equation editing seems to be a real weak point.
[05:44] <JokeR2> how much space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
[05:44] <bung__> akk: in latex?!?
[05:44] <DXT> once I have learned latex, it will be simple and fast to input formulas into my documents?
[05:44] <bung__> very
[05:44] <DXT> in linux i think he meant
[05:44] <nmoore> DXT: into your latex documents, not OOo documents
[05:44] <akk> DXT: There's a front end to latex called lyx but I don't know if it handles equations.  Probably not, but it's worth looking.
[05:44] <DXT> hrmf
[05:44] <bung__> pfft, once you've learned latex you never want OOo again
[05:45] <deFrysk> is it possible to install ubuntu with reiser4 on amd64 with S-ATA disks ?
[05:45] <DXT> I hope so :) thanks for the info, I hope latex isn't too hard to learn.
[05:45] <sylvesterxxl> how can i place a short cut to a folder in the main window in ubuntu? how can i change the wallpaper using a jpg file i downloaded from internet?
[05:45] <JokeR2> how much space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
[05:46] <DXT> sylvesterxxl: to change wallpaper: right click in desktop->change background (something like that) then you can "add" new images to the set of available wallpapers.
[05:47] <PacoBCN> new VLC is just soooo coool
[05:47] <jason> ln -s /home/jason/media/ /home/jason/Desktop/media for shortcut sylvesterxxl
[05:47] <bung__> DXT: if you have any probelms tell me as I just finished doing my disseration in it
[05:47] <cavediver> I can't get this figured out. I can't install OO.org2, the -core package is unlisted in the package-list. Although I have for example the -common package..
[05:47] <JokeR2> how much hard drive space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
[05:47] <bung__> so I'm fairly familiar with it atm :)
[05:47] <padlefot> how do i mount an ntfs disk and make i readable from my user??
[05:48] <DXT> bung_: disseration?
[05:48] <akk> So, is there really no way to do remote X display on ubuntu?  Is this an Xorg limitation?
[05:48] <padlefot> can somebody please help me?
[05:48] <bung__> DXT: uni project
[05:48] <chillywilly> anyone know how I can add menu entries?
[05:48] <DXT> oh
[05:48] <olle> noob
[05:48] <olle> noobs
[05:49] <olle> your all noobs
[05:49] <ac^> yo, i'm using hoary and wondering how i could change my character set into scandinavian ones?
[05:49] <ac^> my keyboard layout is already scandinavian
[05:49] <olle> does any off you play WoW
[05:49] <DXT> sorry, only noobs play wow.
[05:49] <bung__> sounds like fighting talk
[05:49] <DXT> real men play tuxracer.
[05:49] <JokeR2> you know what you were a noob too at one time
[05:49] <olle> what
[05:49] <olle> no
[05:49] <nmoore> padlefot: off the top of my head: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX /mnt/ntfs
[05:49] <olle> noobs
[05:50] <leobardo> Hi i install the visualboyadvance debian package but i cant run the installed  aplication some one can help me?
[05:50] <olle> just play WoW once and fell the joy
[05:50] <bung__> nmoore: that's only readable by root
[05:50] <JokeR2> how much hard drive space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
[05:50] <olle> bung__ has a short dick
[05:51] <olle> hallo
[05:51] <JokeR2> dont anyone know
[05:51] <bung__> olle: so does your mumn
[05:51] <bung__> -n
[05:51] <JokeR2> how much hard drive space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
[05:51] <DXT> joker.. not much, 2gig perhaps
[05:51] <JokeR2> ty DXT
[05:51] <nmoore> padlefot: add a line to /etc/fstab for the disk with an option "user"
[05:51] <olle> what does my mom
[05:51] <olle> you suck at WoW] 
[05:52] <leobardo> Hi i install the visualboyadvance debian package but i cant run the installed  aplication some one can help me?
[05:52] <olle> i own everybody here_
[05:52] <`helix> is there a way to get php mod for apache 1.3.33
[05:52] <olle> mary kate is nice
[05:52] <olle> ha
[05:52] <nmoore> padlefot:does that help you at all?
[05:52] <olle> and ashley__
[05:52] <olle> what
[05:53] <olle> hallo noobs
[05:53] <olle> i like mary kate
[05:53] <akk> Oh, I forgot to test tuxracer.  Blah, ubuntu isn't doing DRM right on my radeon.
[05:53] <akk> libGL error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted)
[05:53] <Zyan_eq> Has anyone rebuilt a kernel on the Hoary release here?
[05:53] <akk> Also "No available audio device" even though gnome plays sound fine.
[05:53] <leobardo> Hi i install the visualboyadvance debian package but i cant run the installed  aplication some one can help me?
[05:54] <IamJacksUsername> What's the difference between array7 and the preview isos?
[05:55] <Zyan_eq> ok.. is there a #ubuntu-dev channel? or something similar
[05:55] <goldfish> try :)
[05:55] <marcin_ant> hi all
[05:56] <Zyan_eq> I did, was all alone =/
[05:56] <nmoore> Zyan_eq: what was it regarding? do you know that there are guides?
[05:56] <marcin_ant> could someone heeeelp me and tell how to share printer between two linux boxes?
[05:56] <Zyan_eq> nmoore: I have read the guides, I cannot get libncurses-dev. from any repository
[05:57] <Zyan_eq> nmoore: I'm looking for the "Ubuntu" way of doing things for testing. I'm familiar with kernel build process of redhat/gentoo/deb
[05:57] <nmoore> Zyan_eq: pass!
[05:57] <Zyan_eq> I just find it strange that I have yet to find someone that has rebuilt a kernel on Hoary =/
[05:58] <jason> marcin_ant: I use a usp print server I got from newegg for 30 bucks it works nice and works for my GNU/Linux boxed and my gfs winders box
[05:58] <Zyan_eq> nmoore: thanks though )
[05:59] <neiras> the only thing that pisses me off about the stock ubuntu kernel is that it has an ancient driver for my webcam - and I haven't figured out the 'right' way to build third-party kernel drivers yet
[06:00] <sheep_> ubuntu rulez
[06:00] <neiras> sheep rule... they have wool, and wool is warm
[06:00] <neiras> plus they follow along with the flock
[06:00] <nmoore> does anyone know if the stock kernel has patches applied compared to mainline?
[06:00] <garrut> they taste good too
[06:01] <neiras> Mutton!
[06:01] <marcin_ant> jason: so you got "hardware" print server right?
[06:01] <neiras> nmoore, I believe so
[06:01] <neiras> apt-get source <kernel package> applies them
[06:01] <deFrysk> Zyan_eq, try linux-restriced-modules
[06:01] <marcin_ant> jason: I just want to share printer connected to ubuntu box and use this from my ubuntu laptop...
[06:01] <Zyan_eq> deFrysk: thanks, trying now
[06:02] <marcin_ant> jason: and no help, no info localhost:631 blocked and I don't know what to do
[06:02] <jason> marcin_ant: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=33-129-220&depa=0
[06:02] <Zyan_eq> deFrysk: installed already, and doesn't include libncurses-dev.
[06:03] <jason> marcin_ant: sorry I dont know how we use laptops and it works great for me
[06:03] <bung__> damn clones
[06:03] <deFrysk> Zyan_eq, libncurses5.dev
[06:04] <deFrysk> Zyan_eq, libncurses5-dev sorry
[06:04] <Zyan_eq> deFrysk: nothing in any repository with that
[06:04] <Zyan_eq> deFrysk: at least that I can find
[06:05] <deFrysk> Zyan_eq, got universe multiverse ?
[06:06] <Zyan_eq> deFrysk: universe
[06:06] <deFrysk> Zyan_eq, add multiverse
[06:07] <deFrysk> just put the name behind universe
[06:07] <neiras> which package provides the gstreamer video-thumbnailer for gnome?
[06:07] <DarthFrog> neiras: Use syntaptic and search for it.
[06:08] <marcin_ant> jason: thanks but 1. I won't buy newegg in Poland, 2. I need to do this today for my customer I don't have money for printserwer from him and this should work just with cups or samba
[06:08] <marcin_ant> jason: but without documentation it is hard....
[06:10] <Zyan_eq> deFrysk: thanks, that worked!
[06:10] <jason> marcin_ant: http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/ try this link
[06:10] <deFrysk> Zyan_eq, good :)
[06:12] <AcidWolf> can anyone tell me how id add this to my sources.list  http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/
[06:12] <jason> marcin_ant: and gentoos guide, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml
[06:13] <AcidWolf> i tried adding it and it keeps saying Malformed line 28
[06:13] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, mplayer is in universe/multiverse
[06:13] <AcidWolf> on hoary
[06:13] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, yes
[06:13] <AcidWolf> oh ok i only have universe
[06:14] <AcidWolf> what is the link for multiverse
[06:14] <deFrysk> AcidWolf,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats read the info on mplayer for hoary
[06:14] <AcidWolf> coultn find the info for hoary
[06:14] <AcidWolf> else i would have
[06:15] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, just put the word multiverse behind universe
[06:15] <AcidWolf> k
[06:15] <deFrysk> like so universe multiverse
[06:15] <AcidWolf> ok
[06:15] <AcidWolf> thank you
[06:15] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, also add the marrillat repo , not the crimson repo
[06:16] <AcidWolf> PPC
[06:16] <AcidWolf> that repo doesnt support ppc
[06:16] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, oh darn
[06:16] <AcidWolf> indeed
[06:17] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, then you have to get hte w32 codecs manually
[06:17] <HomerJSimpson> Hello, I need some help please. I have installed ubuntu and cannot get my mp3's to play. Ubuntu does however have sound
[06:17] <AcidWolf> and i added multiverse after universe and that didnt work
[06:17] <AcidWolf> i did apt-get update aswell
[06:17] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:17] <mjr> HomerJSimpson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:17] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, show me the line
[06:17] <AcidWolf> ok
[06:18] <deFrysk> just the line
[06:18] <HomerJSimpson> Thanks!
[06:18] <deFrysk> not the whole list
[06:18] <AcidWolf> # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:18] <AcidWolf> # deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:18] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, see the comment ?
[06:18] <deFrysk> remove it ;)
[06:18] <deFrysk> otherwise you have nothing
[06:18] <AcidWolf> you mean #
[06:18] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:18] <deFrysk> yup
[06:19] <Symbiote> is there a tool in ubuntu that allows to increase size of a partition? if not tell me the name of the app please
[06:19] <AcidWolf> cool
[06:19] <deFrysk> now upgrade and get mplayer ;)
[06:19] <AcidWolf> upgrade or update
[06:19] <AcidWolf> apt-get update
[06:19] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, both
[06:19] <deFrysk> update and upgrade
[06:19] <AcidWolf> um
[06:19] <AcidWolf> ok
[06:20] <Symbiote> anyone?
[06:21] <goldfish> Symbiote: what filesystem?
[06:21] <Symbiote> ext2
[06:22] <ioc> somebody there ?
[06:22] <deFrysk> ioc, just me and 401 others
[06:22] <ioc> i dl the hoary live cd for ppc
[06:22] <goldfish> Symbiote: parted, cfdisk
[06:22] <goldfish> maybe
[06:23] <Symbiote> ok thnx
[06:23] <AcidWolf> well done ioc
[06:23] <AcidWolf> now install it
[06:23] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:23] <ioc> and i wonder if i can use this one to install hoary
[06:23] <Symbiote> but is it possible to increase size without loosing data?
[06:23] <deFrysk> ioc, want a short or long answer ?
[06:23] <ioc> er
[06:23] <ioc> the long one
[06:23] <AcidWolf> deFrysk i was just going to say that
[06:24] <deFrysk> no
[06:24] <ioc> lol
[06:24] <deFrysk> thats the long one ;)
[06:24] <ioc> cause i dl the 659 mb thing
[06:24] <ioc> ;)
[06:24] <ioc> and there is a directory called install
[06:24] <jason> ioc do you have broadband?
[06:24] <ioc> yes
[06:24] <deFrysk> ioc, not sure how live works but afaIk its not installable
[06:24] <ioc> but i want it to install now :)
[06:25] <jason> would be easier and faster to get the install iso
[06:25] <AcidWolf> what was the link that you downloaded it from
[06:25] <ioc> k my other pc is just dl it
[06:25] <ioc> wait
[06:25] <jason> but you probly could, you may even be able to install from sarge
[06:26] <AcidWolf> yes you can build ubuntu with the live cd
[06:26] <ioc> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/hoary-preview-live-powerpc.iso
[06:27] <AcidWolf> ok
[06:27] <AcidWolf> i wouldnt recomend it ioc
[06:27] <ioc> k
[06:27] <ioc> then i get the install iso
[06:27] <jason> would be nice to have an ftp install iso
[06:27] <AcidWolf> yes
[06:27] <AcidWolf> that would make things alot easier
[06:27] <ioc> another question, can i make a secondary partition with mac osx ?
[06:27] <AcidWolf> yes you can
[06:27] <ioc> and will it be detacted by yaboot
[06:28] <mjr> incidentally, is it planned to send free hoary cds around too or not, ie. will I burn some myself for the university students' lounge? ;)
[06:28] <AcidWolf> mjr i got 30 cds on order
[06:28] <ioc> i should do that afterwards right ?
[06:28] <deFrysk> mjr, free cds wil be shipped yes
[06:28] <AcidWolf> no ioc you do that first
[06:28] <ioc> ah
[06:28] <ioc> first mac osx
[06:28] <AcidWolf> yes ioc
[06:29] <ioc> but do i have to make new partitions first ?
[06:29] <AcidWolf> would anyone else like to step up to the plate
[06:29] <AcidWolf> yes ioc
[06:29] <AcidWolf> use your remaining space
[06:29] <ioc> mhh
[06:29] <ioc> ah k
[06:29] <jason> ioc: just leave room
[06:30] <ioc> ok well... see ya later ... hopefully
[06:30] <AcidWolf> fingers crossed ioc
[06:30] <mjr> AcidWolf, mmh, can one preorder hoary? How? Are all orders for Hoary nowadays?
[06:30] <AcidWolf> mjr all the orders have been suspended
[06:30] <AcidWolf> pending the release of hoary
[06:30] <AcidWolf> so all the cds that are ordered now will be hoary and not warty
[06:31] <mjr> right, 'cause that's not clear on the order form
[06:31] <mjr> good, then I think I'll put some on order
[06:31] <mjr> thanks
[06:31] <AcidWolf> yeah good idea
[06:31] <AcidWolf> i ordered for all architectures
[06:31] <AcidWolf> cause i hand them out
[06:31] <mjr> yes, I will too; there are AMD64 and PPC users here in the uni
[06:31] <linuzo> Hey all..  How do I disable the mouse over on kubuntu on the Panel buttons?
[06:31] <AcidWolf> are you using shipit
[06:32] <mjr> Mac laptops tend to be somewhat popular nowadays...
[06:32] <mjr> AcidWolf, yes, shipit
[06:32] <AcidWolf> yes im on my mac laptop now
[06:32] <AcidWolf> mjr they mention in shipit that all cds sent after a certain date will be hoary cds and not warty
[06:33] <AcidWolf> and that if you wish to order a large amount of cds you should email them with your order and the reason for all the cds
[06:33] <mjr> oh, right, it was that "Important notice" on the login screen that I neglected to read
[06:33] <linuzo> Acidwolf do you know how to disable the mouse hover on the panel on kubuntu?
[06:33] <mjr> *blush*
[06:33] <mgcross> hi all
[06:33] <mjr> I just eyed around on the order form itself...
[06:33] <AcidWolf> linuzo no sorry i dont :(
[06:33] <linuzo> ok,..
[06:33] <AcidWolf> yes mjr thats the one :p
[06:34] <linuzo> it must just be a kde 3.4 thing
[06:34] <AcidWolf> linuzo the forums are you friend look around
[06:34] <linuzo> there isn't much info on kubuntu yet
[06:34] <Spooks> Hello
[06:34] <mgcross> anyone have any insight as to why nvtv segfaults? running hoary 5.4 64
[06:34] <linuzo> not that I could find
[06:34] <arek> where is the rar/unrar package?
[06:35] <mjr> hmm, last time I ordered 10 x86, they went pretty well, perhaps some more this time around
[06:35] <AcidWolf> yes thats cause it unstabel at the moment
[06:35] <linuzo> Why you need so many cd's?
[06:35] <mjr> linuzo, I'm the main ubuntu advocate and distributor of the CS department of my university ;)
[06:35] <linuzo> mjr, Ahh nice..
[06:36] <linuzo> What university
[06:36] <mjr> Helsinki
[06:36] <mgcross> kubuntu works ok....have it installed seperatly (diff part)
[06:36] <linuzo> yeah nice..  mgcross
[06:36] <AcidWolf> mgcross smart move :)
[06:36] <linuzo> I like kde so :P
[06:36] <mjr> actually, had some lectures too on administrating a Linux workstation, with focus on Ubuntu and Fedora
[06:36] <linuzo> wow so Ubuntu is pretty popular then..
[06:36] <mjr> (this is a traditional red hat shop, hence Fedora also ;P )
[06:36] <linuzo> I just heard about this last week so I through it on.
[06:36] <linuzo> lol
[06:37] <neiras> most of our technical staff here is running ubuntu
[06:37] <arek> nonfree multiverse thx
[06:37] <Dr_Aevil> hi guys - I'm trying to get my friend's Nforce2 mobo's in-built audio to use all his speakers - 5.1 surround sound and am having trouble doing so - probalby not least since alsaconf is missing.  Could someone who has that chipset tell me if they had any trouble getting it to do proper surround either using the nvidia nvsound module or the intel8x0 one.
[06:37] <mgcross> I used to love KDE....since using ubuntu-gnome it seems....hack-kneed...lol
[06:37] <linuzo> lol..
[06:37] <neiras> mgcross - yeah - I used KDE forever, but GNOME has become so clean and pretty
[06:37] <linuzo> lol.
[06:37] <Spooks> Anyone point me to a repository that has the latest bahamut?
[06:38] <linuzo> So Ubuntu is converting everyone.
[06:38] <linuzo> lol
[06:38] <mgcross> win32codecs for 64bit would make me dual-boot less :-)
[06:38] <neiras> I'm waiting for my GNOME2 dev guide book... taking frever to get here
[06:39] <mjr> mgcross, I have a 32-bit chroot with w32codecs for emergency use
[06:39] <phxguy> Can Someone Help me with my External USB Drive
[06:39] <neiras> phxguy, what do you need
[06:39] <goldfish> phxguy: what's up?
[06:39] <goldfish> it should work plug and play
[06:40] <phxguy> I have an External   Maxtor 120Gig Drive. and it doesn't mouunt    properlly...
[06:40] <mgcross> i was using nforce3 mobo's built in sound....couldn't get dig i/o to work....stuck an old sb live 5.1 in and presto!
[06:40] <phxguy> gives me the error mount: can't find /dev/sde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:41] <linuzo> phxguy,  you have to edit the fstab
[06:41] <linuzo> or just manually mount it as root
[06:41] <mgcross> mjr...ubuntu boots quickly enough that I havn't bothered with chroot...got cedega to wok fine 64 bit as well
[06:41] <mgcross> er work
[06:41] <phxguy> I put it in the fstab earlier but then i get an error msg buring boot-up that sayd device does not exist
[06:42] <linuzo> phxguy, maybe it's setup as a different device file..
[06:43] <arek> phxguy: you shouldnt automount it at boot time use 0 0 as last arguments in fstab
[06:44] <phxguy> thats what i had in there earlier arek but it gave me an error. I followed theh instruction for mounting an ntfs device on ubuntuguiide.org
[06:44] <phxguy> I also have a problem accessing my usb flash drive...
[06:44] <mgcross> can anyone help me with xorg.conf for nvidia tv-out...having a hell of a time...
[06:46] <mgcross> phxguy, usb flash drive should automount when you insert it...mine does at any rate...what errors do you get?
[06:47] <arek> phxguy: check what dmesg says
[06:48] <phxguy> I get the same error saying: mount: can't find /dev/sdf1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:48] <MeHere> hey guys
[06:48] <MeHere> is there a room for hoary?
[06:48] <tritium> mgcross, did you read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz ?
[06:48] <tritium> MeHere, you're in it ;)
[06:48] <DarthFrog> MeHere: This is t.
[06:48] <DarthFrog> it.
[06:49] <MeHere> ok
[06:49] <phxguy> arek: when i type dmesg or sudo dmesg i get this error:
[06:49] <phxguy> atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0).
[06:49] <phxguy> atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycode>' to make it known.
[06:49] <MeHere> what should i do for dumping my already installed warty and getting hoary
[06:49] <MeHere> i tried aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:49] <goldfish> MeHere: did u edit sources.list
[06:49] <MeHere> but didn't do what i wanted
[06:49] <goldfish> ?
[06:50] <arek> phxguy: that got nothing to do with usb storage
[06:50] <MeHere> yes
[06:50] <goldfish> kk
[06:50] <mgcross> tritium, no, several howto's...X goes bork whenever I edit the file (xorg.conf) i'll have a look...
[06:50] <DarthFrog> MeHere: Change all instances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[06:50] <cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
[06:50] <MeHere> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ universe multiverse
[06:50] <tritium> mgcross, that file has the information you seek
[06:50] <amiroff> anyone using konqueror extensively here ? :)
[06:50] <linuzo> no for java
[06:50] <linuzo> lol
[06:50] <MeHere> apt-get has dist-upgrade?
[06:51] <cusco> MeHere: yes
[06:51] <DarthFrog> MeHere: deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[06:51] <mgcross> Thanks tritium, I'll give it a boo...rather ham-fisted tho....lol
[06:51] <MeHere> i don't want the restricted
[06:51] <linuzo> anyone know how to get rid of the hover over on kde on the panel icons?
[06:51] <MeHere> i want universe
[06:51] <BockBilbo> hey
[06:51] <phxguy> arek:  so what am i looking for ??
[06:51] <DarthFrog> MeHere: Insert hoary between ubuntu and universe in that line you posted.
[06:51] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows if there is an irc channel for vsftp?
[06:52] <tritium> MeHere, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/
[06:52] <MeHere> universe hoary multiverse?
[06:52] <arek> phxguy: any usb storage message
[06:52] <DarthFrog> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[06:53] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you know anything about vsftp?
[06:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, sorry.
[06:53] <tritium> mgcross, what is giving a boo?  and how about ham-fisted?
[06:53] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:53] <maddler_> evenin' dudes!
[06:53] <MeHere> on the webpage they posted it says hoary universe multiverse
[06:54] <phxguy> arek ok if I scoll up a bit i have some things referring to my flash card reader.
[06:54] <tritium> MeHere, you can list on the same line or separate lines.  Either way.
[06:55] <arek> phxguy: it should tell you the device name for your usb stick
[06:55] <mgcross> tritium, ham-fisted is clumsy and having a boo is local slang for taking a look at something
[06:55] <tritium> mgcross, thanks for the translation :)  (local to where?)
[06:55] <gsuveg> re
[06:56] <phxguy> arek: ok... i found the etry for my usb stick.... says it is sdf
[06:56] <gsuveg> anyone use vncserver on hoary ?
[06:56] <mgcross> tritium, yes, same readme as on nvidia's site...but again, X won't start when I make ANY change to xorg.conf file...
[06:56] <mgcross> Tritium Nova Scotia..
[06:56] <phxguy> arek: but the error referrs to sdf1
[06:56] <tritium> mgcross, I can show you how I setup my file
[06:56] <arek> phxguy: sdf wow hmm fdisk -l /dev/sdf
[06:57] <mgcross> tritium, that would be great....my wife is making windows noises at me because we can't watch movies...lol
[06:57] <tritium> heh
[06:58] <phxguy> arek: this  is what i get: /dev/sdf1   *           1        1904      487408    6  FAT16
[06:58] <tritium> mgcross, you want TV out or 2nd monitor?
[06:58] <arek> phxguy: mount /dev/sdf1 /media/somthing -t vfat
[06:59] <tritium> mgcross, here's my config for twinview with a projector: http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/xorg.conf.twinview
[06:59] <liran> the new ubuntu released?
[06:59] <mgcross> trtium, what I'm looking for is monitor/tv with tv to the right of monitor....worked well for me with Debian Sarge
[06:59] <arek> phxguy: just create dir whare you want to mount your device
[06:59] <tritium> liran, not until April
[06:59] <liran> great
[06:59] <liran> :)
[06:59] <mgcross> tritium, thanks, will have a look...
[07:00] <tritium> mgcross, no problem.  Your needs should only require minor changes.
[07:00] <^thehatsrule^> and make sire the dir is empty..
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> lolz haha I killed openoffice by switching to/away very quickly.
[07:02] <mgcross> tritium, thanks...will play with your settins a bit
[07:02] <tritium> mgcross, good luck
[07:02] <mgcross> er settings
[07:02] <mgcross> ty
[07:04] <AcidWolf> i seriously hope this Mplayer install atempt works
[07:04] <bedboi> hi there.
[07:04] <bedboi> how to add root ?
[07:04] <justin`> looks like there is a lot of newbies here
[07:04] <goldfish> hehe
[07:04] <AcidWolf> open terminal
[07:04] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:04] <AcidWolf> and then type this sudo passwd
[07:05] <AcidWolf> it will ask you to enter a new unix password
[07:05] <bedboi> tritium: tanks
[07:05] <padlefot> sudo passwd root
[07:05] <AcidWolf> and then as you to renter it for confirmation
[07:05] <tritium> no prob.
[07:05] <AcidWolf> :)
[07:06] <suki> hi ... i'm new here and want to know where i can find a german "project-branch" ... can you help me?
[07:06] <suki> or am i here wrong ...
[07:06] <sylvesterxxl>  how can i move some files from une dir to other?
[07:07] <spades> cd dir; mv files newdir
[07:07] <heatwave> sylvesterxxl: using the terminal or nautilus (the file browser)
[07:07] <heatwave> ?
[07:07] <sylvesterxxl> nautilus is easier for moving files?
[07:08] <_BIJ_> hi@ all
[07:08] <tritium> sylvesterxxl, that's personal preference
[07:08] <heatwave> sylvesterxxl: nautilus is just drag and drop (or cut/n/paste), depends on your preference
[07:09] <sylvesterxxl> nautilus lets you manage files and folders without the need to use terminal?
[07:09] <_BIJ_> my wlan is not workin properly with ubuntu... everytime i do nothing for a longer time the wlan gets a connectionproblem with an exclamation mark in the upper right corner with the two networkdisplays... what is wron with my ubuntu 5.04???
[07:10] <jintxo> suki, try joining #ubuntu-de, maybe someone can help you there
[07:10] <suki> thx
[07:11] <dashnu> _BIJ_, what chipset is you card?
[07:11] <_BIJ_> dashnu, it's an intel bg 2200 wireless lan (in a centrino computer)
[07:12] <GnuKemist> _BIJ_: are you using ndiswrapper or is your card supported out of the box???  Just curious
[07:12] <jazzka> hi!
[07:12] <GnuKemist> jazzka: hi
[07:12] <jazzka> any idea if iriver mp3 players run correctly with linux?
[07:13] <dashnu> _BIJ_, also what does lspci show for your card
[07:13] <gsuveg> Kaloz: .
[07:13] <tritium> jazzka, I have an ifp-880, and it works fine with ifp-line
[07:14] <jazzka> tritium, does ubuntu recognize it? can you transfer files and music and play them?
[07:14] <jazzka> tritium, any problem?
[07:14] <tritium> jazzka, yes
[07:14] <tritium> no problem
[07:14] <jazzka> tritium, you my God
[07:14] <jazzka> you are my God, I mean. ;)
[07:15] <jazzka> and it plays ogg files!!
[07:15] <_BIJ_> dashnu, i'm using the box driver of ubuntu... they work properly until i leave my computer "alone" for a while
[07:15] <bedboi> tritium: if i run sudo -s it asks for password
[07:15] <bedboi> tremor: what's up?
[07:16] <jintxo> hey tritium thanks for posting your xorg.conf file I was planning on getting that configured, now I have a nice example :-)
[07:16] <tritium> bedboi, yes, yours
[07:16] <dashnu> _BIJ_, not sure man, your kern.log may give some needed log info
[07:16] <bedboi> tremor: ah
[07:17] <tritium> jintxo, you're welcome
[07:17] <_BIJ_> dashnu, where is it located?
[07:17] <dashnu> /var/log
[07:17] <_BIJ_> kk hold up
[07:18] <dashnu> you would need to 'catch it in the act' unless you know what you are looking for
[07:18] <dashnu> reading some stuff about firmware
[07:19] <dashnu> then hotplug will load it at boot
[07:19] <tritium> jazzka, heh, you're silly
[07:19] <jazzka> tritium, why?
[07:20] <jesus\> what ftp gui's are there other than gftp?
[07:20] <_BIJ_> dashnu, it loads correctly and everything is fine... just until i do nothing for lets say 20 min...
[07:20] <jesus\> filezilla isn't in portage
[07:20] <pv_> nautilus :)
[07:21] <dashnu> _BIJ_, could be many things.. acpi is screwing with it / your bios may have some weird power options set. the software may just be buggy
[07:22] <dashnu> cant really pin point it
[07:22] <dashnu> tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[07:23] <dashnu> watch for the error
[07:23] <Sontek> Does ubuntu have mount on  its liveCD? And floppy support?  I need to try to recover a floppy disk
[07:23] <_BIJ_> dashnu, i assume that it is some kind of power-save option that clocks it down after some time doing nothing....
[07:23] <dashnu> may be in a different log
[07:23] <_BIJ_> ok i'll watch
[07:23] <dashnu> try to edit your grub.conf and add no-acpi to the boot line
[07:24] <dashnu> not sure the exact sytanx of that you will have to google
[07:24] <toerli> i search a usenet client which can fetch binarys... any idea?
[07:24] <dashnu> i had that issue a long time ago when wireless was first hitting linux
[07:25] <dashnu> drove me crazy
[07:25] <_BIJ_> dashnu, but i need the processor to be clocked automaticall if i turn acpi off then it will no longer clock itself, or does it?
[07:25] <sianis> hi all
[07:25] <dashnu> think you will be all set
[07:26] <sianis> can some1 write shell scripts?
[07:26] <dashnu> you can always set it back
[07:26] <dashnu> sure sianis
[07:26] <dashnu> lots of people i bet ;)
[07:27] <_BIJ_> dashnu, can this be the error: Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8000000,400000 found
[07:27] <_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8400000,100000 found
[07:27] <_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8500000,80000 found
[07:27] <_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8580000,40000 found
[07:27] <_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a85c0000,20000 found
[07:27] <_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a85e0000,8000 found
[07:27] <_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a85e8000,1000 found
[07:27] <dashnu> pm with that crap so you do not spam the room
[07:27] <DommyFlon> I am a complete novice who just installed Ubuntu and I am trying to resolve a problem with my display--apparently I need to edit the XF86Config-4 file.  My problem is that I have no idea how to do this.  I can open up a root terminal, but i am stuck from there.
[07:28] <_BIJ_> ok sorry... i didn't want to flood the room.... :-/ Sorry
[07:28] <dashnu> sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:28] <liran> why using ubuntu ?
[07:28] <dashnu> DommyFlon, ^
[07:28] <liran> can anyone answer ?
[07:28] <DommyFlon> Thanks dashnu  I 'll try it!
[07:29] <dashnu> or gedit
[07:29] <cusco> liran: why not?
[07:29] <wdh> liran, because we like it :)
[07:29] <sylvesterxxl> finally i was abel to create codecs dir and to move there all codecs essential-20050115.tar.bz2 and now what?
[07:29] <dashnu> i use gentoo for servers
[07:29] <dashnu> ubuntu is a great Desktop OS
[07:30] <sylvesterxxl> finally i was abel to create codecs dir and to move there all codecs essential-20050115.tar.bz2 and now what?
[07:30] <wdh> and has Debian as a basis.. which is a good thing in my opinion
[07:30] <_BIJ_> dashnu, how can i send you a personal message with xchat?
[07:30] <dashnu> right click my name ?
[07:30] <wdh> _BIJ_, /msg dashnu blaat?
[07:30] <wdh> its quite universal :)
[07:30] <cusco> _BIJ_: /query nick
[07:30] <sylvesterxxl> dashnu
[07:30] <CarlK_> why is there an RPM tree under /usr/src ?
[07:31] <sylvesterxxl> dashnu
[07:31] <sylvesterxxl> finally i was abel to create codecs dir and to move there all codecs essential-20050115.tar.bz2 and now what?
[07:31] <dashnu> huh
[07:32] <sylvesterxxl> to view divx i have created dir codecs into /usr/local/lib and have just move there all codecs ... what should i do now to see divx?
[07:35] <sylvesterxxl> to view divx i have created dir codecs into /usr/local/lib and have just move there all codecs ... what should i do now to see divx?
[07:35] <gteppel> Lilo is refusing to boot on my Debian box so I booted up a Live CD on the box and was wondering how i can reinstall lilo or even grub from the live cd....
[07:35] <gteppel> Ubuntu Live CD
[07:36] <tritium> sylvesterxxl, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:39] <buz> is there any place i can get a packaged version of qemu with accelerator (i know it's non free)
[07:39] <cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
[07:39] <cusco> its like it goes down... I dunno why
[07:39] <cusco> and when then I do ifup wlan0
[07:39] <cusco> and it can't get a dhcp ofer signal
[07:40] <cusco> !
[07:40] <cusco> :(
[07:41] <tritium> buz, the accelerator is only available in the CVS version, as far as I know
[07:41] <justin`> is it pronounced you bunt you or eww bunt eww or eww bunt you or what? :)
[07:42] <vixus> Hey, I tried to install gnome-blog and got this error when I added it to my panel: [[The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_BlogApplet".] ] 
[07:43] <tritium> justin`, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation/
[07:43] <vixus> justin`: ooboontoo... XD That's how I say it =o
[07:43] <vixus> Yes!! I got it right!
[07:43] <vixus> Anyway, back to my rather trivial problem. gnome-blog won't work.
[07:44] <numb> hey, i'm having a problem with mp3's, i've installed gstreamer-mad but when i try to open one mp3, the application appears on the screen then suddenly the application closes
[07:44] <vixus> Can anyone help. ;|
[07:44] <numb> and nothing more appear, does anyone know what it could be?
[07:44] <vixus> numb: Check out ubuntuguide.org
[07:44] <vixus> numb: I think you may need more than that.
[07:45] <vixus> Well.. tell me if you can help me. I'm off to revise for biology. =p
[07:46] <Ruby_live> hey... guys... i had a problem with X-server (new installation) some one told me to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but the system says xserver-xorg is either broken or not fully installed... what now?
[07:46] <nis> My session ends for no reason I can think of -- I walk away to do something and when I come back I see the greeter for gdm instead of the active session.  I use xscreensaver to lock the session, btw.  I've never seen this before; otoh I've rarely used gdm in the past.
[07:46] <vixus> Ruby_live: So are you on commandline?
[07:46] <dizzie> Rudy_live, xorg -configure
[07:46] <Ruby_live> right now i am in a liceCD distro...
[07:47] <Ruby_live> *liveCD
[07:47] <nis> (running Xfree and warty not xorg and hoary)
[07:47] <vixus> Ruby_live: Have you done anything dodgy, I couldn't get X to work after upgrading to hoary.
[07:47] <xiglet> what is going on with the repositaries for hoary these days? (multiverse, universe, marillat) I added these and did a apt-get update. After that, I almost can't install anything, even I have removed them. Broken packages etc
[07:47] <dizzie> Ruby_live, try: xorg -configure
[07:47] <vixus> nis: I dunno. Pretty weird. Is there some sort of auto-logout thang? XD
[07:47] <Ruby_live> unser sudo?
[07:47] <vixus> Ruby_live: Sure
[07:47] <Ruby_live> ok...
[07:47] <Ruby_live> thanks...
[07:47] <nis> vixus: it sounds like some kind of session manager that times out an idle session doesn't it?
[07:48] <vixus> Can anyone help me install this gnome blog thing... correction, can anyone help me make it work? =o
[07:48] <vixus> nis: Yeah, I guess...
[07:48] <vixus> nis: I don't know about such things (I'm moaning about gnome blog here)
[07:49] <DommyFlon> Thanks Dashnu--I tried to edit the XF86Config-4 with gedit, but the file was read-only.  My thought was to select all, paste to another gedit document, make my changes and then replace the orig with my edited version.  i wound up not doing it cause the display problem resolved itself (X in the middle of screen)
[07:49] <nis> vixus: I figure it to be either xscreensaver or gdm.  I think I've ironed out the other variables.  Possibly .. my window manager (sawfish).  Or a cron job I don't know about.
[07:49] <vixus> nis: Sawfish, eh? Check out its options.
[07:50] <dashnu> DommyFlon, you need to use sudo
[07:50] <nis> vixus: well I'm a veteran sawfish user, but ur' right, I haven't checked for new options/defaults yet.
[07:51] <tritium> xiglet, they're working fine.  You probably have a bad sources.list file, or something
[07:51] <marcin_ant> come on guys I reallllly need to configure printer sharing on ubuntu
[07:51] <marcin_ant> please help me
[07:51] <spiral> hello
[07:51] <spiral> anyone using ubuntu on a ppc here ?
[07:51] <topyli> marcin_ant: share it with what?
[07:52] <marcin_ant> topyli: linux with... linux
[07:52] <nis> allio`afk: btw last night in Xfree (warty) I found I needed 'Option "omit DPMS"' in 'SubSection "extmod"' of XF86Config-4.
[07:52] <vixus> topyli: He wants to make his printer network-accessible.
[07:52] <nis> oops
[07:52] <marcin_ant> topyli: I got linux on desktop
[07:52] <marcin_ant> topyli: and on laptop
[07:52] <tritium> marcin_ant, cups
[07:52] <vixus> marcin_ant: Just find a printer networking guide.
[07:52] <nis> that should have been 'all:'
[07:53] <topyli> marcin_ant: never done that. i only have samba shares here :(
[07:53] <marcin_ant> tritium: I know - but it _just doesn't work_
[07:53] <akk> Isn't cups supposed to just magically see other print servers?
[07:53] <vixus> marcin_ant: http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/networking/printsharing.shtml
[07:53] <topyli> marcin_ant: anyway, cups is networking by nature
[07:53] <marcin_ant> topyli: you know - this is crazy because this printer works with windows beautifully
[07:53] <marcin_ant> topyli: laptop is dualboot
[07:54] <marcin_ant> topyli: printer is shared with samba
[07:54] <marcin_ant> topyli: and works great from xp on laptop
[07:54] <topyli> marcin_ant: probably cups is just listening to localhost only and you have to make it listen to your network interface too
[07:54] <vixus> marcin_ant: Ah... so linux<->linux is a bigger problem? =o
[07:54] <marcin_ant> topyli: and doesn't at all from linux
[07:54] <marcin_ant> vixus: exactly :)
[07:54] <vixus> marcin_ant: See chat box.
[07:54] <marcin_ant> vixus: and this is crazy don't you think :) ?
[07:55] <vixus> marcin_ant: T)
[07:55] <nis> My printer can print from inside Mac-On-Linux -- but it is tcp/ip based setup (printer has a print server).
[07:55] <someguy32> i got a quick question: is it possible to write to ext3 from within windows (from ntfs)?
[07:55] <nis> CUPS is extremely intolerant of bad syntax. ;)
[07:55] <DarthFrog> someguy32: Yes, but you will have to install ext3fs drivers in windows.
[07:56] <topyli> marcin_ant: it's not so crazy. ubuntu makes services not listen to network so you don't need a firewall. you need to enable cups to listen to other interfaces besides lo
[07:56] <tritium> marcin_ant, what does /usr/share/cups/browsing_status tell you?
[07:56] <nis> DarthFrog: ain't that a Danger Will Robinson moment? ext3 under windows?
[07:56] <borchposselt> Is there a way to change the command associated with an entry in the application menu on Hoary? I need to change the k3b entry so it is run as root (or whatever you call this in Ubuntu). I don't mind doing it by cli
[07:56] <topyli> marcin_ant: just be careful you won't make it accessible over the whole internet :)
[07:57] <DarthFrog> nis: It shouldn't necessarily be.  Windows supports installable file systems.
[07:57] <vixus> Why won't gnome blog WORK? >:|
[07:57] <nis> topyli: good point.
[07:57] <topyli> heh
[07:58] <tritium> marcin_ant, is it enabled?
[07:58] <nis> DarthFrog: after losing a filesystem or two /under linux/ from messing with vfat I'm super cautious about interoperating between OS's.  exception (flawless) was Mac-On-Linux, which never corrupted the native Apple filesystem (dual-boot machine).
[07:58] <neighborlee> anyone know why: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extension < doesn't contain xf86vmode.h: reason i'm asking is I'm compiling a app that needs that header..and according to debian.org ,- xlibs-static-dev ( whcih acording to synaptic IS a installed package) is in unstable yet ubuntu shows that header clearly not in the DIR I pasted and wondering why they would have chosen to leave it out ??? ;-))
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> borchposselt,  why do ya need to run k3b as root?  is a better question.
[07:58] <keffo> hm
[07:58] <klaym> can anyone give me the name of a program that one can use to attach photos to make an animation?
[07:58] <akk> I've had problems (on other systems, not tried it on hoary yet) with k3b as non-root.
[07:58] <keffo> what ftp-client to use? gFTP is the worst ever
[07:58] <akk> Seems to burn coasters more often that way.
[07:58] <marcin_ant> tritium: nothing
[07:59] <vixus> keffo: Works for me... :/
[07:59] <marcin_ant> tritium: I mean no output from ./browsing_status
[07:59] <nis> neighborlee: possibly it's deprecated? (wild guess).
[07:59] <borchposselt> Dr_Willis: yeah, that's what I thought too, but if I do that it won't write anything :(
[07:59] <spades> keffo: http://www.linux.org/apps/all/Networking/FTP.html
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> borchposselt,  sounds like some permission issue or mounting the cd/dvd issue.
[07:59] <tritium> marcin_ant, take a look at /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf.  If it's not enabled, try /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing
[08:00] <borchposselt> Dr_Willis: I'm sure it is
[08:00] <keffo> spades, any specific?
[08:00] <cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
[08:00] <nis> vixus: btw the problem with idle session logouts never appears when I'm active at the keyboard; typically my idle timer at keyboard never gets beyond the two-minute mark (I'm always typing /something/ ;)
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> borchposselt,  run k3b from a shell and see if it spits out any messages.. i'd help more - but i gotta go to work. good luck
[08:00] <spades> keffo: i use gftp so i duno, check out the developers' pages for screenshots
[08:00] <vixus> marcin_ant: lpadmin?
[08:00] <marcin_ant> tritium: cat /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf
[08:00] <cusco> its like its always disconnecting
[08:01] <marcin_ant> tritium: Browsing On
[08:01] <tritium> marcin_ant, both machines?
[08:01] <borchposselt> Dr_Willis: I did, and it returned lot's of errors, unfortunately none of which gave me an idea of the problem
[08:01] <nis> I actually like CUPS very much.  Ran perfect under Gentoo and Mac-On-Linux.
[08:02] <vixus> marcin_ant: Try the lpadmin utility.
[08:02] <vixus> Ok, I gotta go revise for Biology.
[08:02] <nis> Using a print server is very free-ing.  It's a great way to standardize printer connections.
[08:02] <justin`> anyone else drink shitloads of alkaline water daily? :)
[08:02] <vixus> (Said that ages ago... but oh well.)
[08:02] <vixus> See you around. =|
[08:02] <nis> justin`: heh.
[08:02] <marcin_ant> vixus: lpadmin doesn't do any changes in /etc/cups/printers.conf
[08:02] <nis> vixus: cya
[08:02] <justin`> nis: do you?
[08:02] <marcin_ant> tritium: no
[08:03] <marcin_ant> tritium: second machine is on warty live currently
[08:03] <nis> justin`: I don't know the PH but damn water does bother me.  I let the chlorinated tap water sit a few days before drinking it.
[08:03] <topyli> nis: so what has changed? is just switched from lpd to cups when i upgraded to hoary, nothing changed except one key in my smb.conf :)
[08:03] <borchposselt> So, anyone know if there is a way of changing the command associated with an entry in the application menu on Hoary?
[08:03] <tritium> marcin_ant, try /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing on it
[08:03] <justin`> nis: interesting
[08:03] <akk> borchposselt: It's certainly possible ... you just have to find the files that control those menus.
[08:04] <nis> topyli: I haven't tackled CUPS in ubuntu yet.  I just got ubuntu fully installed last night (omitting all the desktop crap; just updated from a fully-functional Debian Woody installation under powerpc).
[08:04] <marcin_ant> tritium: this command is not present on live
[08:04] <borchposselt> akk: yeah, that's about how far I got on my own :)
[08:04] <tritium> marcin_ant, don't know what to say, then.
[08:04] <farruinn> borchposselt: edit the *.desktop file or use one of the user developed apps out there
[08:04] <topyli> nis: ok :)
[08:04] <marcin_ant> tritium: ok but what is an idea of this?
[08:04] <farruinn> borchposselt: a search on ubuntuforums.org should turn a few things up
[08:05] <nis> justin`: A friend in Australia who deals with the public water supply said: "if fish can't live in the water, do not drink it."  so: raise fish and test your water with /them/. ;)
[08:05] <akk> borchposselt: I wonder if /usr/share/desktop-directories is involved?  (I got that with: locate Applications)
[08:05] <topyli> nis: all i'm saying, printing has been a service in unix for ever
[08:05] <marcin_ant> topyli: because now I'm at home and I got "experimental" environment
[08:05] <tritium> marcin_ant, what?
[08:05] <marcin_ant> tritium: sorry it was to topyli
[08:05] <borchposselt> akk, farruinn: thanks guys, I'll look into hose
[08:05] <akk> borchposselt: Using locate and looking for names of specific menus is probably the way to start (sorry, I don't have the menus up right now).
[08:06] <marcin_ant> topyli: and I'll go to my customer in about an hour
[08:06] <nis> borchposselt: maybe.  Is that the Debian menu thing?
[08:06] <_BIJ_> is there a possibility to extend the "archive manager" with the .RAR format... if i want to unzip the .rar it says that it doesn't know it...
[08:06] <marcin_ant> topyli: and he has ubuntu on "server"
[08:06] <_BIJ_> ???
[08:06] <borchposselt> nis: I have no Debian menu
[08:06] <tritium> _BIJ_, see the ubuntuguide
[08:06] <marcin_ant> topyli: and two laptops with ubuntu as clients
[08:06] <justin`> nis: problem with that, I HATE FISH. I've started drinking alkaline water bottled elsewhere
[08:06] <topyli> marcin_ant: you just have to see how to enable cups for a little wider audience than localhost :)
[08:06] <nis> topyli: a LOT changed with the advent of CUPS.  You can still use the lpr interface to CUPS from within Linux, tho.
[08:07] <_BIJ_> on the  website?
[08:07] <justin`> nis: and I have seen some pretty mucky water with 9 eye'd fish =8^)
[08:07] <topyli> nis: sure
[08:07] <farruinn> _BIJ_: as in www.ubuntuguide.org ;)
[08:07] <marcin_ant> topyli: and how to check if this is enabled to lan?
[08:07] <nis> borchposselt: is there an /etc/menu type entry?
[08:08] <marcin_ant> topyli: ./enable-browsing ?
[08:08] <topyli> nis: also depends on the printers. good ol' postscirpt stuff works well with lpr, cups drivers are more available for "modern" stuff
[08:08] <WhiteRabbit> How stable is Ubuntu 5.04-preview?
[08:08] <topyli> marcin_ant: i honestly have no idea!
[08:08] <borchposselt> nis: nope
[08:08] <WhiteRabbit> is it decent enuff to try out & run & half way enjoy?
[08:08] <topyli> marcin_ant: doesn't cups have this famous web interface for configuring it?
[08:08] <justin`> WhiteRabbit: of course, it's linux
[08:08] <marcin_ant> topyli: this is hp 5740 - pretty cheap but works great
[08:08] <ncp_> i'm looking for vhost on apt for apache2, but cant find anyting, what should i search for?
[08:08] <WhiteRabbit> justin`, O ty kind sir Im saved now..
[08:09] <nis> topyli: all I can say is I get a *lot* more functionality out of CUPS than I ever got out of the older lpr-based stuph.  Linux now feels comparable to other good-printing systems.
[08:09] <marcin_ant> topyli: yes there is something like web interface
[08:09] <WhiteRabbit> justin`, ;)~ so you tryed the 5.04-preview?
[08:09] <marcin_ant> topyli: but on top of this screen there is an info
[08:09] <topyli> nis: your demands obviously are higher than my home office's :)
[08:09] <nis> topyli: port 603 localhost I think.
[08:09] <marcin_ant> topyli: that admin tasks are disabled for security reasons
[08:09] <tritium> WhiteRabbit, lots of us are using Hoary, updating it daily, so we're not really using the preview exactly
[08:10] <justin`> WhiteRabbit: I've never even tried ubuntu. I'm a linux guru many breeds that is curious about the "rage" of ubuntu has been getting :)
[08:10] <topyli> marcin_ant: arrrrr. it's ubuntu disabling stuff :(
[08:10] <WhiteRabbit> justin`, "humanity to others"!
[08:10] <WhiteRabbit> imho that has a nice ring to it.
[08:10] <justin`> yes, give North Korea ubuntu
[08:10] <P229> justin`, it's the free CDs
[08:11] <nis> justin`: ubuntu is basically Debian unstable.
[08:11] <topyli> marcin_ant: install lpr and use lprtool to set it up if you're in a hurry
[08:11] <topyli> marcin_ant: not lprtool, what i mean is printtool
[08:11] <justin`> nis: that's what I hear
[08:11] <justin`> nis: if that is true, then why use it over debian unstable? :)
[08:12] <nis> justin`: I had no problem pointing /etc/apt/sources.list to ubuntu, running (U)pdate in dselect, to migrate from Debian Woody to Ubuntu warty.
[08:12] <marcin_ant> topyli: well the problem is that now I just would like this to "just work"
[08:12] <justin`> nis: wow
[08:12] <nis> justin`: the basic idea is that you get security updates like you would have from security.debian.org .. but for /unstable/ which Debian does not support in this way.
[08:12] <topyli> marcin_ant: well, that's what we like all right
[08:12] <marcin_ant> topyli: but it is possible that I'll go to my customer and take this server and printer
[08:12] <justin`> nis: I see
[08:12] <marcin_ant> topyli: and I'll have all night to configure this
[08:12] <mulux> Heyya I'm running ubuntu amd64 and I'm having problems with bittornado. The downloaded data seems to be corrupted; ie it says "piece XXX failed hash check, re-downloading it" while downloading... Anyone heard of this problem before? Can't seem to find anything on it using google.
[08:13] <topyli> marcin_ant: sounds better
[08:13] <marcin_ant> topyli: no... it sounds like a "waste of time" :)
[08:13] <P229> mulux: is the final download corrupted?
[08:13] <dmouritsendk> mulux, i get that sometimes. its just a corrupted piece, it doesn't matter
[08:13] <justin`> wow, a helicopter just flew directly over my house.. how loud
[08:13] <topyli> marcin_ant: put debian on that server, on servers that's the one that "just works"
[08:14] <mulux> every downloaded piece seems to be corrupted. not just one. I've never been able to download a complete torrent, it "DIES" before completion.
[08:14] <marcin_ant> topyli: and I really don't want to do what Nat wants to here http://www.nat.org/camera/img_4584-800x533-border.jpg
[08:14] <marcin_ant> topyli: well it's not Server - just "server"
[08:14] <topyli> marcin_ant: nat knows when it's time to give up :)
[08:15] <nis> justin`: the last time Debian had a serious upgrade problem was (iirc) from potato -> woody, one summer.  There were two competing perl versions that did not coexist, and some apps depended on one or the other and couldn't coexist with both.  Since then Debian's done a better job of lockstepping everything; so upgrades are generally painless with zero downtime.  Ubuntu follows this trend -- the upgrade caused no downtime and no real reason to reboot either.  I
[08:15] <nis> n fact I kept the ...
[08:15] <nis> justin`: firewall up from the Debian legacy .. the whole time.
[08:15] <dmouritsendk> mulux, okay.. i never tried that..! :D had a lot of pieces that haven't passed the hashcheck but they always just get redownloaded
[08:15] <marcin_ant> topyli: ok I'll try do to something but another question
[08:15] <vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
[08:16] <marcin_ant> topyli: maybe my problem is that there is something wrong with cups on server
[08:16] <topyli> marcin_ant: i seriously have no idea how to configure cups without the web interface
[08:16] <mulux> dmouritsendk: okay :/ thanks anyway
[08:16] <marcin_ant> topyli: but maybe I do something wrong on client
[08:16] <vaijr2002> whats the diff between warty, hoary hedgehog?
[08:16] <marcin_ant> topyli: than question
[08:16] <nis> justin`: only real complaint is ubuntu 'desktop' target (dummy package) selects way too much crap such as openoffice.org.
[08:16] <marcin_ant> topyli: in gnome printer configuration dialog
[08:16] <topyli> marcin_ant: if the cups server works, the client will see it. if it won't it's the server's fault. that simple with print servers
[08:16] <vaijr2002> mine says hoary hedgehog development branch
[08:17] <marcin_ant> topyli: I need to add URI
[08:17] <topyli> oik
[08:17] <marcin_ant> topyli: maybe my uri is wrong?
[08:17] <marcin_ant> topyli: what is an uri that is known to work :) ?
[08:17] <topyli> marcin_ant: yeah. which port does cups listen to?
[08:17] <marcin_ant> topyli: propably 631
[08:17] <marcin_ant> topyli: but how to check this?
[08:18] <vaijr2002> hi veryone
[08:18] <topyli> so, server-ip:port
[08:18] <justin`> nis: hmmm, don't want no bloatware :)
[08:18] <topyli> marcin_ant: telnet from localhost
[08:18] <vaijr2002> can someone explain the differances between hoary hedgehog, and warty
[08:18] <vaijr2002> mine is hoary hedgehot development branch whats that mean?
[08:19] <nis> marcin_ant: cups should definitely answer on localhost:630 or whatever it is.
[08:19] <mulux> is there any other text-based bittorrent client for ubuntu except for bittornado?
[08:19] <vaijr2002> isnt guntella a bit torrent thingie
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> no
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> different network
[08:20] <vaijr2002> ig ij
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> = oh ok? :P
[08:20] <vaijr2002> i use direct connect, and overnet/edonkey
[08:20] <nis> http://localhost:631/ works here
[08:20] <rwabel> hi
[08:20] <topyli> vaijr2002: no
[08:20] <rwabel> can someone help me with that problem on hoary:
[08:20] <rwabel> Usage: install-keymap [ keymap_file | NONE | KERNEL ] 
[08:20] <rwabel> dpkg: error processing console-data (--configure):
[08:20] <rwabel>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:20] <rwabel> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of console-common:
[08:20] <rwabel>  console-common depends on console-data; however:
[08:20] <rwabel>   Package console-data is not configured yet.
[08:20] <rwabel> dpkg: error processing console-common (--configure):
[08:20] <rwabel>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:20] <dmouritsendk> mulux, isn't the "official" bt client availiable in ubuntu?
[08:20] <rwabel> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:20] <rwabel>  console-data
[08:20] <rwabel>  console-common
[08:20] <nis> mine's a default (idiot) install  --  have touched /nothing/.
[08:20] <rwabel> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:20] <justin`> thanks for the flood
[08:20] <topyli> wow! what a typist!
[08:20] <mulux> dmouritsendk: perhaps. but is it text-based? :>
[08:21] <vaijr2002> sorry rwable cant help ya there
[08:21] <marcin_ant> nis: so not 630
[08:21] <dmouritsendk> mulux, one of the clients included are
[08:21] <marcin_ant> nis: 631 right?
[08:21] <vaijr2002> i just need my sound to work and i will be happy
[08:21] <vaijr2002> but cant tried everything
[08:21] <dmouritsendk> mulux, wait.. two of them are :p
[08:21] <marcin_ant> nis: telnet localhost 630 - connection refused
[08:21] <marcin_ant> nis: telnet localhost 631 - ok
[08:21] <mulux> dmouritsendk: haha, okay
[08:22] <marcin_ant> topyli: yes I got cups on 631
[08:23] <nis> rwabel: 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure'
[08:23] <marcin_ant> topyli: so then... ipp://192.168.0.1:631/printers/BJC-6000 should work?
[08:23] <topyli> marcin_ant: cups work on tcp, so you can just put the IP and port on the client
[08:23] <dmouritsendk> is there anywhere i can browse the package lists from the offical repositories?
[08:23] <^thehatsrule^> ftp
[08:23] <topyli> marcin_ant: or is it ipp?
[08:23] <nis> marcin_ant 631.
[08:23] <^thehatsrule^> or synaptic
[08:23] <^thehatsrule^> or http
[08:23] <mulux> dmouritsendk: okay, I just installed the apt-packet "bittorrent", how do I start it, lol?
[08:23] <marcin_ant> topyli: I really don't know :)
[08:23] <topyli> heh
[08:23] <topyli> marcin_ant: try telnet
[08:23] <topyli> first
[08:24] <marcin_ant> topyli: just when I got mouse over URI box
[08:24] <dmouritsendk> mulux, from a prompt btdownloadheadless.py or btdownloadcurses.py
[08:24] <marcin_ant> topyli: then I got "hint"
[08:24] <nis> marcin_ant: NO.  631 is the webadmin interface to CUPS, only.  No printer listening on that port!
[08:24] <mulux> dmouritsendk: oh, thanks!
[08:24] <topyli> uhhh...
[08:24] <marcin_ant> nis: then... what?
[08:24] <nis> dmouritsendk: you can download Packages.gz (.bz2) and browse those directly.
[08:24] <lok> mulux, you already have a bittorent client with gnome
[08:24] <dmouritsendk> mulux, np :) does it work now?
[08:25] <marcin_ant> topyli: I can telnet to 631 on localhost but not from laptop
[08:25] <lok> gnome-btdownload mulux
[08:25] <dmouritsendk> nis: ooh, nice. thanks alot :)
[08:25] <nis> marcin_ant: use mozilla to look at port 631 in http.
[08:25] <marcin_ant> nis: there is cups admin web interface on this port
[08:26] <nis> dmouritsendk: dpkg is the older tool; always worked here under Debian and I see nothing in it disabled in Ubuntu.
[08:26] <topyli> marcin_ant: aren't you happy to have professional support such as myself? ;)
[08:26] <mulux> lok: I wanted a text-based client...
[08:26] <Zane> i cant get my sound to work in kubuntu.. i have sound blaster 64 awe audio card.. anyone knows if i am supposed to download drivers or if this card is even supported
[08:26] <topyli> marcin_ant: cups is only listening to localhost
[08:26] <lok> ah ok sorry I haven't look to the beggining
[08:26] <farruinn> isn't there a wiki page about setting up network printing?
[08:26] <dmouritsendk> nis, i haven't got ubuntu installed, so i can't really use those atm :/
[08:26] <rwabel> nis: thanks...strange thing, sudo apt-get upgrade only doesn't work in X. I did it not under X and it worked
[08:26] <nis> dmouritsendk: 'sudo dselect' does same thing in the base menu before the package list.
[08:27] <nis> marcin_ant: yes. the CUPS web admin is on that port!
[08:27] <mulux> dmouritsendk: I think it's working now, I'll let you know in a second
[08:27] <marcin_ant> topyli: ok - then I need to make this available on lan - not only on localhost - right?
[08:27] <dmouritsendk> mulux, nice :)
[08:27] <farruinn> nis: dpkg is still the system used, apt, dselect, synaptic, aptitude, etc, they're all just front ends to the dpkg system
[08:27] <marcin_ant> topyli: then a question is how
[08:27] <marcin_ant> nis: ok - then what next?
[08:28] <ShurikN> yeah
[08:29] <nis> rwabel: I've only occasionally shell-scripted for apt-get; I generally use dpkg or dselect, but apt-get is more efficient.  However, dselect with /etc/apt/apt.conf set to 'Download-Only = "true"' (or similar) is the equivalent of using apt-get from the command-line, IMO.
[08:29] <Fackamato> anyone tried kbear?
[08:29] <Fackamato> ftp client
[08:29] <mulux> dmouritsendk: lol, how can I shut down this client? I'm using btlaunchmanycurses, ctrl-c wont shut it down
[08:29] <nis> farruinn: I suspected as much. tnx.
[08:29] <naikuty> hello, please help me configure Xorg on AMD64/via-chipset/K8M800
[08:30] <topyli> marcin_ant: yeah, might be a tcp_wrappers setup on ubuntu so nothing listens to nobody by default
[08:30] <dmouritsendk> mulux, i cntl-z it
[08:30] <nis> marcin_ant: hold on I'll look. I have to mount a gentoo volume to see how I did it.
[08:30] <marcin_ant> nis: ok - thanks I'll wait
[08:30] <mulux> dmouritsendk: didn't work either
[08:30] <mulux> I killed it :P
[08:31] <topyli> orfff... lots of updates but not the time to do anything while clients are up
[08:31] <dmouritsendk> mulux, did u need to use kill or ?
[08:31] <mulux> yup :/
[08:31] <mulux> still doesn't work
[08:31] <dmouritsendk> mulux, thats pretty wierd, i can kill mine with ctrl-z..
[08:31] <mulux> maybe there's something wrong with my python?
[08:31] <naikuty> can somebody help me configure Xorg on AMD64/via-chipset/K8M800?
[08:32] <topyli> naikuty: doesn't "just work"?
[08:32] <dmouritsendk> mulux, i don't know, it sounds mighty wierd. Are u 100% sure the torrent you are downloading is working?
[08:32] <farruinn> naikuty: what is the problem specifically?
[08:32] <topyli> naikuty: you don't say much about your video card
[08:32] <nis> marcin_ant: this'll take a few minutes. I've chrooted into gentoo (first step). ;)
[08:33] <Coily> ive already asked #winehq: i have a problem with a program in wine which can be fixed with the latest directx... am i screwed?
[08:33] <naikuty> farruinn,topyli, it is a K8M800 via video card
[08:33] <mulux> dmouritsendk: it happens to every torrent I tried (3 different, where at least one of them was working on my main computer)
[08:34] <dmouritsendk> mulux, okay. just checking :)
[08:34] <marcin_ant> nis: ok ok I got time
[08:34] <naikuty> farruinn,topyli: It earlier worked with Xfree86 on Woody/32but
[08:34] <topyli> naikuty: and what happens, or, doesn't happen?
[08:34] <Echylo> with what can you record sound from a micro the best?
[08:35] <naikuty> topyli: Now the screen just blinks 3 times and after that the console is screwed up
[08:35] <naikuty> topyli: I have to restart after that
[08:35] <topyli> naikuty: not very promising
[08:35] <selinium_> hi all, how do i do a screen shot?
[08:35] <farruinn> naikuty: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' from the terminal first
[08:36] <nis> marcin_ant: okay first up: my user cannot do 'Administration'.  Do u see the 'Administration' button in CUPS main menu in your web browser?
[08:36] <naikuty> topyli: yeh I tried, but the same result
[08:36] <farruinn> selinium_: for hoary just look under the System menu
[08:36] <naikuty> farruinn: yeh I tried, but the same result
[08:36] <schasi> Was there any other xserver than xfree86 and xorg?
[08:36] <selinium_> farruinn: cheers!
[08:36] <farruinn> naikuty: my guess is that your vert/horiz sync are out of range
[08:36] <topyli> schasi: there are about half a dozen commercial X implementations
[08:36] <nis> selinium_: I use the GIMP to do screenshots.
[08:37] <selinium_> nis how do you do that?
[08:37] <farruinn> selinium_: the one thing I don't like about gnome's screenshot thing is it doesn't allow you to do single windows, I use gimp for that
[08:37] <naikuty> farruinn: I just copied the range that worked in Woody/32 bit
[08:37] <nis> selinium_: It's in the first menu on the left, probably 'File' .. in the most basic dialog for GIMP.
[08:38] <farruinn> naikuty: you'll probably have to post the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin for us or send it to the mailing list
[08:38] <nis> farruinn: yes, it does.  Unless I'm seriously misremembering.
[08:38] <tritium> farruinn, you can take shotw of a single window with Alt-Print Screen
[08:38] <tritium> shots :)
[08:38] <selinium_> nis farruinn: cheers for your help!
[08:38] <nis> farruinn: my bad.
[08:38] <Keito> Hi
[08:38] <nis> farruinn: I didn't read what you /typed/. ;)
[08:39] <farruinn> nis: np :)
[08:39] <marcin_ant> nis: I can log on http://localhost:631/admin
[08:39] <farruinn> tritium: nice, didn't know about that one, I'm used to the mac keystrokes...
[08:39] <GammaRay> stop talking for a minute so unison can backup the log file for this channel :-P
[08:39] <tritium> farruinn, :)
[08:39] <marcin_ant> nis: but I got big info on top: Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[08:39] <nis> selinium_: you can 'paste as new' after a 'cut' to get the exact rectangle crop you wanted.
[08:40] <nis> marcin_ant: yes that's where I'm stuck.  iirc I just need to add myself to the right group in /etc/groups
[08:40] <topyli> marcin_ant: yeah, and you can't really set up a server from there :(
[08:40] <nis> marcin_ant: and/or modify /etc/cups/foo
[08:41] <naikuty> farruinn: "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6796.html" - This is what exactly i experience
[08:41] <marcin_ant> topyli: so... the only "easy" way is gnome-cups-manager
[08:41] <oggah> how do I change my wwwroot apache folder? (Ubuntu) Can't delete the existing standard .html files.
[08:41] <marcin_ant> topyli: but there is no way to configure anything related with server
[08:41] <oggah> from standard install.
[08:42] <topyli> marcin_ant: yeah, but that's client stuff
[08:42] <marcin_ant> topyli: so... I need to configure everyting by hand with /etc/cups/*
[08:43] <dashnu> oggah, DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs
[08:43] <topyli> marcin_ant: sure you can configure cups, but you need to 1) configure cups, 2) perhaps configure tcp_wrappers, 3) perhaps something else, all from the config files
[08:43] <nis> marcin_ant: it /looks/ like I had to add myself to group 'lp' under gentoo to admin CUPS.
[08:43] <dashnu> in /etc/apache/conf maybe
[08:43] <topyli> marcin_ant: i still say install debian on that server :)
[08:43] <naikuty> farruinn: "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6796.html" - This is what exactly i experience
[08:44] <marcin_ant> topyli: I did a lot of work to configure this server... gprs stuff etc.
[08:44] <nis> marcin_ant: no, do not modify /etc/cups/foo* at all by hand. USE the web admin tool.
[08:44] <topyli> marcin_ant, nis, we need access to that web tool first though
[08:45] <klaym> with what program can I attach photos to create an animation? (avi, mpg...)
[08:45] <nis> topyli: yes but it's doable.  group 'lp' does not exist in Ubuntu; whereas in gentoo it does and I beleive was the required group membership to admin as an otherwise-unprivileged user.
[08:46] <akk> klaym: "animate", part of imagemagick, can do that, I think (it can definitely make animated gifs)
[08:46] <klaym> akk: I checked imagemagick, all it can do is animated gifs
[08:46] <topyli> nis: group lp owns /dev/lp0 on this here ubuntu box
[08:47] <mulux> dmouritsendk: hmm, it seems btdownloadcurses is working but not btlaunchmanycurses. Isn't that weird?
[08:47] <klaym> but I found something called gAnim8
[08:47] <akk> klaym: There's a gimp plugin called gap (gimp animation package) but I hear it's tricky to set up.
[08:47] <nis> topyli: aha!  '#Group lpadmin' commented-out in cupsd.conf!
[08:47] <klaym> akk: ok thanks. I'll check gAnim8 out first
[08:47] <marcin_ant> nis: so I need to add myself to lpadmin?
[08:48] <topyli> nis: yes! so marcin_ant, uncomment that and change it to lp
[08:48] <marcin_ant> nis: hmmmmmm I'm already member of this group :(
[08:48] <topyli> marcin_ant: and put yourself to group lp
[08:48] <marcin_ant> topyli: ooooo
[08:49] <dmouritsendk> mulux, it sure is :/
[08:49] <oggah> in my apache2-default folder, located in /var/www/. there is alot of index files in different languages. and some gif files, how do I remove them?
[08:49] <oggah> So I can put my own in there :)
[08:49] <dashnu> sudo rm -f *
[08:49] <marcin_ant> topyli: ok - group uncommented
[08:49] <marcin_ant> topyli: I'm already member of this group
[08:49] <dashnu> cd to that dir of course!!
[08:50] <topyli> marcin_ant: or perhaps you should leave it to lpadmin since you already are in the group
[08:50] <tritium> oggah, dpgk -S <filename> to find out to which packge the files you want removed belong, and then apt-get remove that package
[08:50] <topyli> marcin_ant: then restart cupsd
[08:50] <nis> marcin_ant: #SystemGroup lpadmin commented-out!  uncomment that, I think.
[08:50] <tritium> oggah, unless you want to just break the package, and remove files by hand
[08:51] <dashnu> they are index file it wont break anything
[08:51] <dashnu> files* even
[08:51] <oggah> using natilus, I just cant get them removed. strange.
[08:51] <tritium> dashnu, not functionally, no
[08:51] <tritium> but the package that owns those files will be broken
[08:51] <nis> marcin_ant: didn't work here. ;)
[08:51] <marcin_ant> nis: ok - uncommented, cups restarted
[08:52] <marcin_ant> nis: what next?
[08:52] <farruinn> naikuty: I just read your thread, the "VESA(0): No matching modes" would be a problem with the vesa driver which is causing the other error I'm guessing
[08:52] <nis> marcin_ant: still trying here.  I did this once before, tho. ;)
[08:52] <oggah> thanx,the rm -f * did it! thanx dashnu.
[08:52] <Tilos> Is there a simple way to convert PST files from Outlook 2003 to something that Evolution can use?
[08:53] <sabmoc> Im planning to switch from kernel-image-386 to kernel-image-k7 but I use the nvidia drivers, will I need to reinstall them, or only reconfigure them... and should I do the reconfiguring after or before booting?
[08:53] <tritium> Tilos, there's something called outport that you can try
[08:53] <marcin_ant> nis: I need to go to my customer
[08:53] <tritium> sabmoc, you'll need the linux-restricted-modules that match the k7 kernel you install
[08:54] <marcin_ant> nis: I'll take his server and printer and will be back in less than hour (30-40 min I hope)
[08:54] <farruinn> naikuty: this isn't very helpful, but my suggestion would be to try today'd daily install cd, if it doesn't work submit a bug report
[08:54] <sabmoc> tritium, yes I was going to install them, but I wasnt sure if they were actually needed
[08:54] <tritium> sabmoc, they are for nvidia, yes
[08:54] <arek> hmm i got problems with udev after upgrade to hoary install dies on Populating the new /dev filesystem temporarily mounted on /tmp/dir.F6sRlW/...
[08:55] <sabmoc> tritium, will I still need to run `sudo nvidia-glx-confg enable`?
[08:55] <mjr> tilos, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2002-April/msg00043.html
[08:55] <tritium> sabmoc, no, you're all set
[08:55] <Tilos> tritium: Thank you.
[08:56] <sabmoc> tritium, awesome, but previously I installed nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings, will those interfere in anyway?
[08:56] <tritium> Tilos, sure :)
[08:56] <Tilos> mjr: Theonly problem with that solution is that I don't have a Windows left to do so on. :P
[08:56] <topyli> marcin_ant: install lpd, it has worked for ever :)
[08:56] <nis> marcin_ant: rgr. best regards.
[08:56] <tritium> sabmoc, nope
[08:56] <sabmoc> tritium, thanks man
[08:56] <tritium> no prob
[08:56] <Tilos> Where's a good page to find additional software? debian.org?
[08:56] <mjr> Tilos, righto; well, see http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2002-May/018577.html
[08:57] <tritium> Tilos, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[08:57] <Fl-i-nT> Hi all
[08:57] <topyli> Tilos: we have everything. what additional software are you referring to?
[08:57] <warty> i installed ubuntu what should i add in sources.list to use apt-get
[08:57] <wezzer> warty: open up synaptic
[08:57] <ShurikN> hi all, where i put dl a openBSD in french version?
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> lol ShurikN....
[08:57] <nis> topyli: /var/log/cups/error_log says PAM doesn't like my user.
[08:57] <wezzer> there you can easily choose which repositories you'd like to use
[08:58] <wezzer> enable universe at least
[08:58] <Fl-i-nT> Can anyone tell me what the site to the howtos of ubuntu is?
[08:58] <tritium> Tilos, an easier way is to browse packages in synaptic or aptitude
[08:58] <goldfish> www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:58] <goldfish> has some
[08:58] <wezzer> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:58] <goldfish> also ubuntuguide.org
[08:58] <goldfish> and ubuntuforums.org
[08:58] <topyli> nis: hmm. same here, i've been experimenting on the way as well :)
[08:59] <Tilos> tritium: I'll try it out.
[08:59] <Fl-i-nT> Thanks guys
[08:59] <CarlK_> dont forget https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[08:59] <dashnu> anyone use SSL/tls  smtp with evolution ?
[08:59] <tritium> Tilos, and if you want a ton of software to choose from, be sure to include universe and multiverse in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <tritium> dashnu, yes
[08:59] <dashnu> my ssl is broke do you know if it is a bug?
[08:59] <topyli> Tilos: we have pretty much the same selection as debian
[09:00] <tritium> dashnu, it's working here
[09:00] <CarlK_> what package has just svn (the subversion client) and not the server?
[09:00] <dashnu> it onyl works if i select whenever possible
[09:00] <dashnu> than i see the ssl handshake
[09:00] <dashnu> (serverside that is)
[09:00] <nis> topyli: okay, Loglevel must be set very high to debug this.  I remember doing so.
[09:00] <dashnu> with always i do not even make it to the server
[09:00] <Tilos> topyli: Ah, I see. I thought you shared packages with Debian so I thought debian.org was a good place to start.
[09:01] <marcin_ant> topyli: last question
[09:01] <marcin_ant> topyli: before I go
[09:01] <marcin_ant> topyli: when cupsys is configured properly
[09:01] <tritium> Tilos, most of the packages do come from debian originally
[09:01] <marcin_ant> topyli: printers should appear in gnome-cups-manager automatically - right?
[09:02] <farruinn> CarlK_: the subversion package includes the client as well as tools for creating a repository
[09:02] <drspin> hey all
[09:02] <CarlK_> farruinn - right, but what if I dont want to create a repo, just pull sources from somewhere else>?
[09:03] <topyli> marcin_ant: it should find them on the network, yes
[09:03] <dashnu> tritium, and you have it set to always use ssl?
[09:03] <dashnu> i have same issue in gentoo same version of evolution
[09:03] <farruinn> CarlK_: I haven't used svn myself, but I believe you just use the svn command
[09:03] <dashnu> never had this issue until upgrade
[09:03] <tritium> dashnu, no, either setting works for me
[09:03] <CarlK_> farruinn - it isn't installed by default
[09:03] <topyli> Tilos: ubuntu is a frozen snapshot of debian unstable basically. only a subset of the packages are supported, but everything is available
[09:04] <nis> topyli: I see the problem I think.
[09:04] <dashnu> *sighs*
[09:04] <topyli> Tilos: and btw, i don't mean "we have this" as in "i made this with my friends", i just mean we the users have it :)
[09:04] <tritium> plus some new packages that are not in debian at all
[09:05] <Tilos> :)
[09:05] <bung__> a few from debian don't seem to be in ubuntu
[09:05] <bung__> e.g. fudgit
[09:05] <bung__> oh
[09:05] <bung__> it is!
[09:05] <bung__> nevermind then.
[09:05] <bung__> could swear it wasn't there before
[09:06] <sabmoc> tritium, wow, that sure was painless
[09:06] <tritium> Tilos, in addition to that URL and synaptic or aptitude, apt-cache searching is another way to look for packages
[09:06] <tritium> sabmoc, cool :)
[09:06] <farruinn> CarlK_: you've installed subversion? You should have /usr/bin/svn
[09:06] <drspin> I know it's not supported - but technically if I upgrade to GNOME from Hoary on my Warty system things should be just fine right?
[09:07] <CarlK_> farruinn -I don't want the whole subversion server... just the client
[09:07] <mjr> drspin, if you want to go that way, I'd rather recommend going all the way
[09:07] <mjr> drspin, but theoretically, yeah, though upgrading just gnome may lead to much of the rest of hoary to be dragged in anyway
[09:07] <tritium> CarlK_, it's not separated out.  Just don't setup a local repository
[09:07] <mjr> due to dependencies
[09:08] <topyli> nis: are you happily administering cups now? :)
[09:08] <wavefunction> g'afternoon.
[09:08] <sabmoc> tritium, weird! I ran glxgears before and after restart, to compare if there would be any difference with 386 or k7, the 386 looked much much faster, the cogs just cranking like crazy, but k7 looks slow and smooth, but the fps is exactly the same for both of them!
[09:08] <drspin> mjr: I have upgraded a few specific things Gaim, FF, pmount and few others to Hoary just for the bug fixes
[09:08] <CarlK_> tritium - yup - #svn just confirmed it is all in one package
[09:08] <oggah> is hoary worth waiting for? :)
[09:08] <Fl-i-nT> Yesterday someone here gave me a link for a great begginers tutorials fro ubuntu but i cant find it could you guys help?
[09:08] <CarlK_> oggah - no, it is worth installig now ;)
[09:09] <farruinn> drspin: through warty-packports?
[09:09] <farruinn> Fl-i-nT: probably www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:09] <topyli> oggah: if you want it to stabilize, you should wait. but it works right now
[09:09] <wavefunction> Kind of offtopic : how do I redirect irc commands ? Eg, if I would like to save '/list -YES' in a file.
[09:09] <wavefunction> I'm using irssi.
[09:09] <oggah> aight!
[09:10] <drspin> farruinn: no -- by using the Warty repo and upgrading just the packages and the dependencies
[09:10] <dtudosie> hi
[09:10] <topyli> oggah: i said it works right now. dunno after the next set of updates :)
[09:10] <drspin> farruinn: know that you cannot get help from ubuntu if your system is mixed
[09:10] <Fl-i-nT> farruinn, nah it was more tutorialish and at the end of each chapter you have a excersise
[09:10] <oggah> okey, i think ill wait. warty works fine for me.
[09:10] <farruinn> Fl-i-nT: specific to ubunu?
[09:11] <oggah> fast-command to change workspace in Ubuntu?
[09:11] <farruinn> drspin: I guess I don't know where you upgraded from... if it was just through apt/synaptic then that is most certainly supported
[09:11] <slept> Fl-i-nT: maybe selflinux , you can apt-get
[09:11] <topyli> oggah: have you ever used debian unstable?
[09:11] <drspin> oggah: you can set this up in Computer -> Desktop Prefs -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[09:11] <oggah> nopes
[09:11] <tritium> Ctrl-Alt-Arrow Keys
[09:11] <topyli> oggah: pretty much the same these days
[09:11] <oggah> drspin, tritium , thanx.
[09:12] <dtudosie> anybody noticed a delay of 3 to 6 seconds in opening the windows in hoary ? (this happens after about 20 minutes after starting ubuntu)
[09:12] <drspin> farruinn: I added the Hoary repository and I upgraded just specific packages from it and then disabled it in Synaptic...
[09:12] <drspin> farruinn: Again... a mixed Hoary and Warty system is not supported because it *could* cause all kinds of problems...
[09:13] <topyli> well, only a pure warty system is supported of course
[09:13] <bluefoxicy> gaim 1.2 won't reach hoary?
[09:13] <farruinn> drspin: I see, sorry for the confusion :)
[09:13] <drspin> bluefoxicy: right now it's 1.1.2
[09:13] <tritium> 1.1.4
[09:14] <drspin> bluefoxicy: 1.1.4 rather ;) sorry
[09:14] <drspin> tritium: thanks ;)
[09:14] <topyli> bluefoxicy: it will reach my box for sure :)
[09:14] <tritium> ;)
[09:14] <Fl-i-nT> farruinn, abit like this but more begginer friendly http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/ch02s03.html
[09:14] <slept> drspin : the "mixed system" works fine , if you accept the new versions of configuration files
[09:14] <bung__> what's new in 1.2?
[09:14] <drspin> slept: I haven't had any stability issues so far
[09:14] <ob1kenobi> I have a grub question
[09:14] <drspin> ob1kenobi: ok
[09:14] <Echylo> wow that shadow tutorial on ubuntuforums is ownage
[09:14] <ob1kenobi> in my menu.lst I have set vga=791
[09:15] <ob1kenobi> each time linux-image is updated, I lost that setting!
[09:15] <slept> drspin: yes, that was no question :-)
[09:15] <ob1kenobi> how can I do to keep it steady?
[09:15] <drspin> ob1kenobi: place the settings on the line that says #kopt=
[09:15] <drspin> ob1kenobi: update-grub
[09:15] <ob1kenobi> update-grub?
[09:16] <drspin> ob1kenobi: do me a favor #cat /boot/grub/menu.lst and paste it into #flood
[09:16] <topyli> bung__: yahoo support is supposedly better. otherwise i don't know
[09:16] <dtudosie> anybody noticed a delay of 3 to 6 seconds in opening the windows in hoary ? (this happens after about 20 minutes after starting ubuntu) could it be caused by a package that I have installed ?
[09:16] <ob1kenobi> ok, i'll do
[09:16] <nis> ah.
[09:17] <Echylo> say cheese everyone!
[09:17] <dtudosie> furthermore, is there a way to do a cleanup (somehow automatic) among the installed packages ?
[09:17] <nis> topyli: still hacking this.  There is an encrypted string reported in the logs; it is consistent each time.
[09:17] <drspin> dtudosie: if you find a way to "cleanup" installed packages... please let me know...
[09:18] <topyli> nis: ubuntu has disabled it pretty well, it seems :)
[09:18] <nis> topyli: my bet is this is a random password and is specified somewhere and needs to be overwritten with the output of crypt(5) for a chosen password.
[09:18] <drspin> ob1kenobi: #sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:19] <topyli> nis: i absolutely don't have a slightest idea what all that means :)
[09:19] <slept> drspin dtudosie : apt-get clean , or did you mean clean in an other way ?
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT>  File Menu -> Create Launcher
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT> Basic Tab ->
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT> Name: Nvu
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT> Command: /opt/nvu-0.80/nvu
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT> Icon: /opt/nvu-0.80/icons/mozicon50.xpm
[09:20] <ob1kenobi> yes, and then..
[09:20] <drspin> slept - I was meaning remove packages that have sat unused for a certain period of time
[09:20] <queuetue> I'm sshed into a host - and I had to ssh through another host to get there.  Is there a way to send a file from my machine to the one that is two hops away, through this connection I've already created?
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT> Sorry about that
[09:20] <nis> topyli: /etc/pam.d/cupsys is suspicious here.
[09:20] <Fl-i-nT> btu what is that telling me to do i serously dont understnad?
[09:20] <drspin> scroll down till you see a line that says # kopt=root=/dev/hdb6 ro
[09:20] <fubared> I got ubuntu setup and configured on my laptop, but when I rebooted it's freezing on startup with no errors
[09:20] <ob1kenobi> yes, gotcha
[09:20] <drspin> ob1kenobi: scroll down till you see a line that says # kopt=root=/dev/hdb6 ro
[09:20] <fubared> same thing happened on my desktop
[09:21] <ob1kenobi> drspin, I got it
[09:21] <djgentoo> fubared have you some messages?
[09:21] <drspin> ob1kenobi: this is the default options for ALL kernel images that Grub will boot -- Grub will automatically append these options to all kernels when you run update-grub
[09:22] <ob1kenobi> drspin, so I should write vga=791 at the end of this line?
[09:22] <fubared> djgentoo: nope... it just freezes on startup, not in the process of starting a specific thing
[09:22] <LeeJunFan> I notice gkrellm isn't in the pool, is there something better included? (forgive my old-schoolness :) )
[09:22] <djgentoo> fubared do you see grub?
[09:22] <topyli> nis: in /etc/pam.d/cupsys i have exactly three lines: common auth, common-account, common-seession :-/
[09:22] <drspin> ob1kenobi: #kopt=root=/dev/hdb6 ro quiet splash vga=791
[09:22] <fubared> djgentoo: yes, things like inetd work
[09:23] <fubared> startup, even.
[09:23] <klaym> how do I get permission to write to usr/bin ? I've done everything with console using sudo, but I'd now like to do it using drag and drop via gnome
[09:23] <oggah> where can I find nice Ubuntu wallpapers?
[09:23] <drspin> ob1kenobi: also right below that you'll see # alternative=tr
[09:23] <ob1kenobi> drspin, thank you very much..!
[09:23] <klaym> oggah: www.gnome-look.org
[09:23] <drspin> ob1kenobi: you're going to want to change that to # alternative=true
[09:23] <ob1kenobi> ok, it is set to true
[09:23] <dtudosie> slept: by cleanup I meant a way to have a "fresh install" i.e. how the system came initially so I can lose any bad choice packages that may become difficult to track and remove bu hand...
[09:23] <djgentoo> fubared try to boot on the deefault mode
[09:24] <drspin> ob1kenobi: go ahead and save and close gedit then type update-grub
[09:24] <mastergoon> anyone here had problems with hoary where X just crashes all the time
[09:24] <ob1kenobi> drspin, did it.
[09:24] <drspin> mastergoon: have you cheked dmesg|tail after it crashes
[09:24] <fubared> djgentoo: what's default mode? I think that's what I'm using.. ie, not failsafe
[09:24] <mastergoon> drspin, nothing, ill check the xorg log
[09:24] <drspin> ob1kenobi: now #cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:25] <djgentoo> fubared try the failsafe one
[09:25] <drspin> ob1kenobi: and you should see the options after each kernel image
[09:25] <fubared> ok, but how do I know what to do to fix a normal boot?
[09:25] <mastergoon> drspin, nothing in the log that says why it crashes, just says it caught a signal 11
[09:25] <ob1kenobi> drspin, fantastic!
[09:26] <drspin> mastergoon: what is Signal 11?
[09:26] <djgentoo> fubared try to check dmesg
[09:26] <mastergoon> no idea
[09:26] <mastergoon> Fatal server error:
[09:26] <mastergoon> Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
[09:26] <ob1kenobi> drspin, thanks a lot.
[09:26] <drspin> mastergoon: LOL - me neither
[09:26] <drspin> ob1kenobi: no problem
[09:26] <mastergoon> segfault of some kind im guessing
[09:26] <topyli> drspin: while you're at it, you might as well tell us if the hoary kernel is bootsplash ready :)
[09:26] <drspin> topyli: I have no clue
[09:27] <topyli> drspin: at boot, i get the message something like: looking for splash image... none found
[09:27] <drspin> (13:27:15) drspin: is the default hoary kernel bootsplash ready?
[09:27] <topyli> drspin: so i'm thinking if it would find one it would perhaps use one :)
[09:27] <drspin> (13:27:21) Kamion: drspin: no.
[09:27] <topyli> ah
[09:27] <nis> topyli: the doco says to 'sudo adduser cupsys shadow' and I bet this is the problem.  danger will robinson tho.
[09:28] <topyli> nis: shadow? hmmm
[09:28] <cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
[09:28] <drspin> topyli: it's a possibility -- not sure where it would look though
[09:29] <nis> topyli: BUD A BING.
[09:29] <cusco> I keep on loosing internet :(
[09:29] <kevman> Hey, I was here Sunday, and couldn't get my compuer to go on the Network.
[09:29] <nis> topyli: that's all it takes.
[09:29] <kevman> That was with the new Preview build, right now I'm using the 4.1 Live and it works!
[09:29] <topyli> nis: heh, you fixed ubuntu :)
[09:30] <slept> nis: what are you trying to do with cups ?
[09:30] <kevman> Is there any way I can transfer the settings used right now to my Preview install?
[09:30] <nis> topyli: AND .. it was in /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian.gz
[09:31] <nis> slept: admin as a low user on localhost:631
[09:31] <zooko>  #300842 - libc6: upgrade fails in i386 chroot on amd64 system
[09:31] <topyli> nis: well i be damned =)
[09:31] <zooko> Does this mean if I update to this version my system will break?  Hm.
[09:31] <drspin> KevMan: sound like the install didn't detect your nic right - do me a favor paste the results of #lsmod in #flood
[09:31] <topyli> nis: anyway, it works!
[09:31] <kevman> drspin, for which? The one that works, or doesn't?
[09:31] <nis> topyli: yes, and I know how to do the rest.
[09:31] <slept> nis : works out of the box
[09:31] <drspin> kevman: that one that works first so I can see where the differences are
[09:31] <nis> slept: fine.  Only I didn't get a 'box'.
[09:32] <drspin> kevman: I want to see what driver is loaded so that we can load it after ytou boot into the one where it doesn't work
[09:32] <kevman> Uh, OK, but how will I post the results for the one that doesn't work?
[09:32] <topyli> drspin: the splash screens could be anywhere afaik. you just tell grub where to get one. might be best to put it in /boot though
[09:32] <ayalp> whats up
[09:32] <drspin> kevman: you won't need to -- I'll try and just tell you how to do it before you restart
[09:33] <nis> topyli: now to undo all my changes to cupsys.conf ;)
[09:33] <zooko> Hm.  .. which means I'll be building a 2.6.8.1 kernel.  Okay.
[09:33] <ayalp> whats going on negger
[09:33] <zooko> whoops
[09:33] <zooko> E: Build-dependencies for linux-source-2.6.8.1 could not be satisfied.
[09:33] <kevman> drspin, eoth0 was reconized in the one that doesn't work, but DHCP always failed
[09:33] <drspin> topyli: oh you want a GRUB bootsplash ---- man menu.lst (I think)
[09:33] <topyli> nis: oh yes, cleaning up. not a backupping type of guy?
[09:33] <zooko> So now I can't build a new kernel on this system.  Hm.
[09:33] <zooko> I guess I just wait without a new kernel until the libc breakage is fixed in hoary.
[09:33] <topyli> drspin: yes, just grub :)
[09:33] <drspin> kevman: right -- paste the results of #lsmod in #flood please
[09:34] <zooko> I wish I could get access to the .deb of the libc that was in hoary *before* the broken one...
[09:34] <drspin> topyli: google for "ubuntu grub bootsplash"
[09:34] <drspin> kevman: it's coming -- slowly ;)
[09:35] <nis> topyli: usually very much so, but in this case I got excited.  IRCing in one window while hacking in another is a *lot* of load on my brain.
[09:35] <kevman> Now that's a flood!
[09:35] <topyli> drspin: awwww... it's right there for those who google :)
[09:35] <kevman> I did.
[09:35] <kevman> drspin, my Internet connection is major crap.
[09:35] <nis> topyli: I can always 'ar x debianpackage.deb' for cupsys and get the file. ;)
[09:35] <cusco> when does the final version of hoary comes out?
[09:35] <drspin> topyll: :) love google - live google -- breathe google -- and you'll be a lot smarter to anyone that doesn't know you ;)
[09:36] <nis> topyli: then 'dpkg-reconfigure cupsys' ;)
[09:36] <lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hard drive
[09:36] <topyli> nis: well if your original wasn't very much customized it's easy to revert
[09:36] <lytefyre> ?
[09:36] <mastergoon> is anyone else having trouble updating from us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:36] <nis> topyli: I generally comment the changes inside the file so it's no big deal.
[09:36] <topyli> yeah
[09:37] <Fackamato> I just did an update ; dist-upgrade
[09:37] <hitriko> hey guys, when i try to change my password it says "password was to simple"
[09:37] <hitriko> is there anyway to fix this?
[09:37] <Fackamato> saw that it had an _upgrade_ for the 2.6.10-5 kernel
[09:37] <Fackamato> how can i find out what the upgrade was?
[09:37] <kevman> Woo! Ubuntu found myu TV card
[09:37] <hitriko> hello?
[09:37] <hitriko> help please?
[09:38] <topyli> hitriko: how about a more complicated password? :)
[09:38] <hitriko> well i don't need it...
[09:38] <topyli> aww
[09:38] <lytefyre> anyone external hard drive boot sucess ??
[09:38] <zooko> hitriko: is this your home computer?  Are you going to be storing life-or-death secrets on it?  Then write the password on a postit note and stick it to the monitor.
[09:38] <hitriko> topyli: there is not way i can fix this other then change my password?
[09:39] <lytefyre> im trying to run kubuntu off it
[09:39] <topyli> hitriko: sure
[09:39] <drspin> kevman: do you what kind of NIC you have?
[09:39] <topyli> hitriko: i've never done it but it's configurable
[09:39] <kevman> drspin, Integrated Davicom.
[09:39] <hitriko> zooko: no, i don't wany my mom and dad on it -_-;
[09:39] <drspin> kevman: do you know the model?
[09:39] <kevman> Do you need the model number of the chip?
[09:39] <kevman> OK, I'll look it up on the Internet
[09:40] <nis> topyli: diff is your friend. ;)
[09:40] <topyli> hitriko: easiest is to configure gdm to log you in automatically without any interaction
[09:40] <hitriko> topyli: any hottos for this?
[09:40] <lytefyre> i have a pivot_root error on kubuntu install
[09:40] <drspin> kevman: /msg me -- I'll brb
[09:40] <hitriko> hottos*
[09:40] <hitriko> i'm using kubuntu
[09:40] <rizla> hi folks..
[09:40] <topyli> hitriko: so you don't need to login yourself, you'll just come up with a desktop like in windows 95 or something
[09:41] <topyli> hitriko: NOT recommended
[09:41] <hitriko> topyli: how to do i that?
[09:41] <zooko> hitriko: that would allow you mom and dad to access your files.
[09:42] <topyli> hitriko: run gdmconfig and tick a couple of buttons that's all
[09:42] <hitriko> zooko: true
[09:42] <zooko> anybody know how to find out *which* build-deps couldn't be satisfied?  :
[09:42] <Redwraith111> hey guys.. how can I make it so i dont use GDM to log in but rather the command line
[09:42] <zooko> E: Build-dependencies for linux-source-2.6.8.1 could not be satisfied.
[09:43] <lytefyre> Redwraith111:use init level 3
[09:43] <kevman> What's the name of the GNOME fileviewer? I'm a KDE kinda guy...
[09:43] <farruinn> zooko: are you trying to do 'sudo apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1'?
[09:43] <tigger|nl> kevman: nautilus
[09:43] <hitriko> i think i wanna move back to fedora -_-;
[09:43] <zooko> farruinn: I'm following this doc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[09:43] <zooko> and I'm doing: sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:43] <Redwraith111> do i have to add that to grub?
[09:44] <slept> Redwraith111: apt-get remove gdm
[09:44] <mdz> zooko: sounds like you don't have the network repositories enabled
[09:44] <mdz> zooko: not all of the packages you need to build it are available on the CD
[09:44] <zooko> hitriko: because Ubuntu won't let you use your password?  Interesting.  It might be configurable.
[09:44] <zooko> mdz: no, I'm using warty network repos.
[09:44] <zooko> I think I've found the issue though.  Thanks.
[09:44] <hitriko> zooko: more then that
[09:44] <mdz> zooko: what was it?
[09:45] <zooko> Well, I installed a libc6 from hoary.
[09:45] <zooko> Now, I can't upgrade to the latest libc6 from hoary, as it will allegedly break my whole system.
[09:45] <topyli> hitriko: but if you have weak passwords we can crack your box in 10 minutes from home and make it a spam relay or something
[09:45] <zooko> But nor can I install the build-deps from warty.
[09:45] <lytefyre> Redwrait111: or edit /etc/inittab and change id:5...  to id:3
[09:45] <zooko> So I guess I'm stuck til they fix the libc6 in hoary.
[09:45] <zooko> Someday our package management systems will provide a way out of messes like this.
[09:45] <Fl-i-nT> Geez my firefox just terminated !?!?! fro no reason jsut liek that help!!!
[09:46] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[09:46] <lytefyre> anyone sucessfull with booting ubunutu off an external hdd ??
[09:46] <nis> topyli: *you* were my backup; since you didn't make the changes I did, when you got into the admin it proved that was the only step needed.  Which meant the factory-default cupsys.conf was correct and needed no mods at all. ;)
[09:46] <topyli> hdh
[09:46] <black_Nightmare> was wondering if ubuntu setup has anything for playing dvd or thats a seperate software apt-get I'll have to do?
[09:47] <topyli> nis: yeah :)
[09:47] <kevman> I can't run Robots :-(
[09:47] <zooko> black_Nightmare: I use mplayer.  There's a page on ubuntu web about it.
[09:47] <farruinn> black_Nightmare: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for details
[09:47] <topyli> nis: anyway, thanks dude, i wanted that to work
[09:47] <black_Nightmare> mplayer?  don't tell me thats MS? :p
[09:47] <tigger|nl> fortunately not :P
[09:47] <nis> topyli: well so did I!  I just setup ubuntu yesterday, and cups was hi priority.  So thank *you* as well. /tips hat
[09:47] <black_Nightmare> tigger..ok ty because mplayer.exe is what the older standalone WMP were sometimes named as
[09:48] <heatwave> black_Nightmare: apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd libdvdcss2
[09:48] <black_Nightmare> funny concidence I guess
[09:48] <justin`> if you don't know what mplayer than you have issues
[09:48] <topyli> nis: also, when our friend returns, he'll get advice :)
[09:48] <oggah> how to get quicktime (.mov) work in mozilla firefox?
[09:48] <zooko> The M is for Movie, not for Microsoft.
[09:48] <Redwraith111> its not actually a big deal
[09:48] <zooko> oggah: mplayer mozilla plugin
[09:48] <oggah> for example, all the trailers at apple.com/trailers
[09:48] <heatwave> black_Nightmare: then start vlc like this: vlc --aout esd
[09:48] <heatwave> black_Nightmare: that will enable you to use the menus iirc
[09:48] <tigger|nl> black_Nightmare: I also recommend VLC above mplayer..
[09:48] <nis> topyli: if this all gets logged somewhere and published it's a good turn.  I'm sure the Wiki already covers this.
[09:48] <black_Nightmare> hmmm vlc -- ok
[09:49] <topyli> nis: logged yes i'm sure, but i don't know if anyone archives them on the web
[09:49] <nis> topyli: the 'install Debian' solution someone offered as an alternate 'inspired' me to prove it's overkill to do it that way.
[09:49] <black_Nightmare> you know.....
[09:49] <black_Nightmare> just how old is the apt-get thing itself?
[09:50] <nis> topyli: because, you know .. CUPS does in fact, rock.
[09:50] <topyli> nis: that someone was someone called topyli :)
[09:50] <griffith> I'm soon getting my new mb. it's msi's ati xpress 200 chipset with integrated grapichs. do anyone of you have any experience with that with ubuntu?
[09:50] <topyli> nis: i also said "install lpd"
[09:51] <black_Nightmare> anyone? :p
[09:51] <raydogg> how do I run the xorg config so i can add another resolution to my list ?
[09:51] <farruinn> raydogg: it'd probably just be easier to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:51] <vixus> Hey, can someone help me get sound working again in Ubuntu? (I recently installed hoary)
[09:51] <zooko> Anybody know if I can invoke mozilla -remote "openURL()" and get a noraise feature, such as galeon has?
[09:51] <moyogo> vixus: what's the problem?
[09:52] <vixus> It was automatically working on install in warty, but this time it hasn't (my sound card wasnt plugged in on install)
[09:52] <vixus> vixus: It just isn't.... there.
[09:52] <ob1kenobi> raydogg, in the first lines of the file xorg.conf it is written how to run dpkg-reconfigure
[09:52] <vixus> moyogo: It just hasn't been detected..
[09:52] <mdz> zooko: mixing packages from different branches will always be problematic; you'll have more problems mixing warty and hoary than you would if you simply upgraded wholesale to horay
[09:52] <mdz> hoary
[09:52] <raydogg> ok, the login screen runs at > 60 hz, how can i change this ?
[09:53] <deville_75> can anyone help me?
[09:53] <neighborlee> anyone know why: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extension < doesn't contain xf86vmode.h: reason i'm asking is I'm compiling a app that needs that header..and according to debian.org ,- xlibs-static-dev ( whcih acording to synaptic IS a installed package) is in unstable yet ubuntu shows that header clearly not in the DIR I pasted and wondering why they would have chosen to leave it out ??? ;-))
[09:53] <vixus> raydogg: System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[09:53] <ob1kenobi> raydogg, in the process of reconfiguring you are asked for screen hor-fx
[09:53] <drspin> raydogg: you want it to be at 60hz?
[09:53] <raydogg> yes
[09:53] <vixus> moyogo: Can you help?
[09:53] <deville_75> i need help with .bin files
[09:53] <raydogg> i have a 24 inch dell widescreen and at the login it says "this mode cannot be displayed"
[09:53] <farruinn> neighborlee: that *might* have something to do with xorg vs. xfree, it might be in a different package
[09:53] <deville_75> i downloaded the Java Plugin for Firefox, and it gives me a .bin file
[09:54] <moyogo> vixus: i haven't encountered that problem, but i can try to help
[09:54] <raydogg> but when i plug it up to another mon and login, i can see fine
[09:54] <dashnu> raydogg, nice screen :D
[09:54] <drspin> raydogg: 60hz is so bad for your eyes
[09:54] <vixus> moyogo: Please do..
[09:54] <deville_75> how do i install it?
[09:54] <black_Nightmare> drspin..not quite so
[09:54] <black_Nightmare> there's 52 and 60 (with except of 72 on the pc) here..no problem
[09:54] <dashnu> deville_75, chmod 777 filename.bin ; ./filename.bin
[09:54] <deville_75> huh?
[09:55] <tigger|nl> deville_75: check http://ubuntuguide.org#jre
[09:55] <neighborlee> farruinn, so your saying xlibs-static-dev might be part of xorg as well ?
[09:55] <vixus> moyogo: Doesn't seem to be in device manager...
[09:55] <black_Nightmare> I guess the truth problem is..as soon as you go higher..you just keep going higher and thats probably how some people suddenly just don't like the original refresh rate they had been at before
[09:55] <deville_75> oh ok,
[09:55] <black_Nightmare> no complain anyhow..just my own rant
[09:55] <vixus> moyogo: Oh wait... I think it may have come lose in the PCI slot.
[09:55] <oggah> used memory : 125 MB of 504Mb. how much memory used for you?
[09:55] <oggah> (RAM)
[09:55] <deville_75> oh and one more thing
[09:56] <deville_75> do i download RPM?
[09:56] <vixus> debiz: lol no
[09:56] <vixus> debiz: soz
[09:56] <vixus> deville_75: no
[09:56] <dashnu> heh
[09:56] <deville_75> ok
[09:56] <farruinn> neighborlee: no, what I'm saying is the header file you're looking for is in a different package
[09:56] <deville_75> whats that for neway?
[09:56] <topyli> black_Nightmare: refresh rates are very much a real health problem/solution, not something you just get used to
[09:56] <vixus> deville_75: RPMs are for RPM based distros <_<
[09:56] <moyogo> virtuald: hehe
[09:56] <farruinn> neighborlee: although I don't know for sure
[09:56] <vixus> deville_75: Ie... RedHat, etc.
[09:57] <moyogo> vixus: what does lspci say?
[09:57] <deville_75> oh ok
[09:57] <neighborlee> farruinn, nope its not...according to debian.org ..xlibs-static-dev contains the header I need
[09:57] <tigger|nl> deville_75: Ubuntu is a DEB based distro
[09:57] <deville_75> thx
[09:57] <griffith> I'm soon getting my new mb. it's msi's ati xpress 200 chipset with integrated grapichs. do anyone of you have any experience with that with ubuntu. can I get it to work just with just downloading some drivers. or is it better to reinstall ubuntu?
[09:57] <vixus> moyogo: Not in the list... must be lose. >_<
[09:57] <black_Nightmare> topy...hmm....and I wondered where the use of 60Hz still comes from
[09:57] <black_Nightmare> especially at higher crt res
[09:57] <neighborlee> farruinn, anyway one way of resolving this is..would you mind checking your system and DCC'ing it tome if you have it please...
[09:57] <vixus> griffith: Reinstall?
[09:58] <topyli> black_Nightmare: the wallet? :)
[09:58] <Redwraith111> im having printer trouble, how can i share it with my windows pcs?
[09:58] <farruinn> neighborlee: I'm checking if that file is in that package for hoary...
[09:58] <black_Nightmare> toy..what you mean?
[09:58] <topyli> Redwraith111: with a samba server
[09:58] <Redwraith111> how
[09:59] <Redwraith111> i dunno how to set that up
[09:59] <griffith> what I ment was is there any easy way to get a new mb and cpu working?
[09:59] <Redwraith111> and i cant find a instruction i can understand
[09:59] <drspin> Redwraith111: open up Synaptic and search for samba and install the server
[09:59] <Redwraith111> i did
[09:59] <farruinn> neighborlee: nope, it's not in that package
[09:59] <FLeiXiuS> Redwraith111: GOOGLE.COM
[09:59] <drspin> Redwraith111: warty or hoary?
[09:59] <Redwraith111> i can see the files on the windows box
[09:59] <Redwraith111> hoary
[09:59] <FLeiXiuS> :-)
[09:59] <lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[09:59] <Redwraith111> i tried that fleixius
[10:00] <vixus> hmm..
[10:00] <vixus> well
[10:00] <vixus> g'day, I need to check my PCIs
[10:00] <drspin> Redwraith111: if you google for "Ubuntu printer samba"
[10:00] <farruinn> neighborlee: try libxxf86vm-dev
[10:00] <drspin> Redwraith111: you shoudl find more than you could ever really need about it
[10:00] <Redwraith111> i tried.. couldnt undertand it
[10:00] <farruinn> neighborlee: btw, I found all this searching http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[10:00] <will> where do i get the ALSA driver for mplayer
[10:00] <lytefyre> install went fine and grub shows entries too, but it stalls with pivot_root:no such directory and cannot open dev/console
[10:01] <REAL> how can i make my floppy writable, so when i mounted i can save stuff on it
[10:01] <Redwraith111> is their a samba configorator or where is the smb.conf file?
[10:01] <black_Nightmare> floppy? hmm does it have a small black tape on it or something?
[10:01] <neighborlee> farruinn, hmmmm very nice..I had no idea ubuntu had its own ;-).thanks <<
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> damn archive is down :(
[10:02] <black_Nightmare> real - yes or no? ;)
[10:02] <farruinn> neighborlee: for some reason package names change going from debian->ubuntu, I don't completely understand why
[10:02] <farruinn> sometimes that is
[10:03] <ubungrom> black_Nightmare>yes
[10:03] <LinuxJones> farruinn, like which ones the kernel-images ?
[10:03] <slept> Redwraith111: /etc/samba/smb.conf - you want to use swat I thik
[10:03] <ubungrom> /dev/fd0 /floppy ufs rw,noauto 0 0
[10:03] <ubungrom> i got it like that on my fstab
[10:03] <black_Nightmare> hmm ubungrom see if you can try take the black tape off without flexing the floppy too much
[10:03] <neighborlee> farruinn, hmm....weird but yeah thanks bunches for info...
[10:03] <black_Nightmare> it might be set to read-only with the tape covering the flat hole
[10:04] <farruinn> LinuxJones: I guess I should rephrase that, some files aren't in the same packages as they are in debian
[10:04] <neighborlee> farruinn, saves my day LOL
[10:05] <LinuxJones> farruinn, can you recall any off the top of your head ?
[10:05] <brunch> Help! I have downloaded the latest Alsa drivers an when installing it tells me it needs the curses library?????
[10:05] <farruinn> LinuxJones: it seems to be mostly xorg/xfree stuff like this
[10:05] <LinuxJones> farruinn, ahh
[10:06] <will> where do i get the ALSA drivers for mplayer?
[10:06] <nis> marcin_ant: 'sudo adduser cupsys shadow' grants admin rights in CUPS.  The user trying to access admin rights should be in group 'lpadmin'.
[10:08] <Levander> Hey, I've set up bind9 on my ubuntu box.  From my Windows XP box, I can run nslookup, it hits the correct bind9 server on my Ubuntu box, and I can look up hosts on my local network and get the right IP address.  However, on my XP box, in Firefox, I use these same local network names and get redirected to public internet sights with the same DNS name.  Anybody know how to fix?
[10:08] <brunch> Will: go to www.alsa-project.org they have the drivers there.
[10:08] <Redwraith111> my printer wont print at all now...
[10:08] <Redwraith111> hmm
[10:09] <Redwraith111> says paralell port is busy
[10:09] <Redwraith111> anydieas?
[10:10] <Redwraith111> has anyone else had that problem?
[10:10] <brunch> i've tried several times and it still asks for ncurses library?
[10:10] <slept> Redwraith : ps ax and loook for processes trying to acess the printer
[10:10] <brunch> I tried instlling the library but it was installed already.
[10:11] <Redwraith111> something says parallel defunct..
[10:11] <Redwraith111> if i just restart may it work?
[10:12] <ice_1963> hello
[10:12] <setite> help!!!!!
[10:12] <setite> i cant get into ubuntu 64 preview
[10:12] <^thehatsrule^> !!!!!pleh
[10:12] <setite> the screen is all distorted
[10:13] <setite> i suppose the drivers dont work well with my dell widescreen lcd
[10:13] <mdz> setite: at the very beginning when booting from the CD?
[10:13] <mdz> setite: or at the end when it loads the desktop?
[10:13] <setite> its installed
[10:13] <setite> at the login screeen
[10:14] <pestilence> has anybody had problems using the intel compiler in hoary?  my machine locks up consistently when compiling a library
[10:14] <mdz> setite: please report a bug, Package: xserver-xorg, include the information listed at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[10:14] <ubungrom> anyone knows how i can format my HD with all the partitions from linux
[10:14] <setite> i imagine i need to change the resolution
[10:14] <setite> is it a bug
[10:14] <onno> what apt-get packets do I need to install to have more media files (codexes) in Totem?
[10:14] <setite> i promise to report it once i get it running
[10:14] <slept> Redwraith : what are you trying to configure printing or network printing
[10:14] <setite> whats the thing to change video settings
[10:14] <mdz> setite: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:14] <setite> yea thats it
[10:15] <slept> Redwraith111 : samba won't configure your printer
[10:15] <setite> thanks... lets hope this works...
[10:15] <setite> i wonder if it has any 16:10 resolutions
[10:16] <Photar> I've got a problem with the mouse not working when I have ubuntu running on virtual pc when I connect via ms remote desktop. Anyone know whats up with that?
[10:17] <slept> ubungrom: depends on the fs e.g mkreiserfs or whatever you want to use
[10:18] <topyli> slept: he's rebooting and hoping the problem will go away :)
[10:19] <Photar> the mouse works fine in remote desktop but not in the virtual pc window.
[10:20] <Photar> I bet its a vpc problem.
[10:21] <^Muffasa> hello?
[10:21] <selinium_> hi all, what is the best way of going about automating the zipping up of a folder and ftp'ing it to a remote server?
[10:22] <Tycho451> I have some trouble installing opera(.deb) via alien and don't have much experience with linux
[10:22] <Photar> bash
[10:22] <suifur> selinium_: write a bash script
[10:22] <LinuxJones> selinium_, a bash script run via cron
[10:23] <flodin> where can i find the alsalib development files in ubuntu?
[10:23] <selinium_> Photar suifur LinuxJones: I am a recent windows convert so wouldn't know how to go about it. ANy good links?
[10:23] <nis> Is there an elegant way to change ext2 to ext3 in-place? without backing up?
[10:23] <suifur> selinium_: http://www.faqs.org/docs/abs/HTML/
[10:23] <^thehatsrule^> elegant? :P
[10:23] <LinuxJones> selinium_, this is something your going to want to do regularly for say backups ?
[10:24] <Photar> selinium_: just put the commands you would type in at the command prompt into a file
[10:24] <selinium_> LinuxJones: Yes, i have a dev machine at home that I would like to backup the webroot on a daily basis
[10:25] <selinium_> Photar: Not ever used bash scripts i still dont know! :)
[10:25] <Tycho451> Excuse the stupid question, but if I have ubuntu x86_64 installed do I need special 64bit version of every program I want to run?
[10:25] <LinuxJones> selinium_, the Linux Document Project whould keep you busy :)  >> http://www.tldp.org/
[10:25] <LinuxJones> *should
[10:25] <Chipzz> flodin: apt-cache search alsa | grep dev ?
[10:26] <selinium_> THanks all, you have been great as usual!
[10:27] <lytefyre>  anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
[10:27] <flodin> Chipzz: ah thanks, found it. They use a different name than the alsalib home page
[10:28] <Chipzz> flodin: you're welcome :)
[10:29] <Jesterace> hullo hullo
[10:29] <setite> damn
[10:29] <setite> its not working
[10:29] <Fl-i-nT> What is better debian or ubuntu?
[10:29] <setite> ubuntu
[10:29] <WillCooke> ubuntu
[10:29] <Jesterace> Fl-i-nT, depends what you want to do
[10:29] <|QuaD-> Fl-i-nT: we are here because we like ubuntu
[10:29] <scandium> yes, this is the perfect channel to get an objective answer on this ;)
[10:29] <Jesterace> i personally like ubuntu for a desktop system
[10:29] <setite> i selected a resolution much closer to mine and the picture is not scrunched up to arround 3 inches wide
[10:29] <Jesterace> however for a server i'd likely lean towards debian
[10:30] <Jesterace> however i run slackware for a server :P
[10:30] <WillCooke> Ubuntu seems to be aimed more at "normal" users?
[10:30] <kevman> I am back,
[10:30] <setite> can i update the nvidia driver or something from safemode?
[10:30] <WillCooke> Much better community
[10:30] <setite> yea it is usable for normal users as well as above normal
[10:30] <zenrox> yep defentily
[10:30] <setite> but my linux noob ass has problems every step of the way
[10:30] <setite> anyone have adell widescreen lcd
[10:30] <oggah> ubuntu is more like a windows user-system =)
[10:31] <setite> or any widescreen lcd may have the same issues
[10:31] <zenrox> oggah,  not that extream
[10:31] <setite> yea oggah... take that back
[10:31] <zenrox> oggah, more like dos 6.22 and win 3.11 wfw
[10:31] <setite> its as much as any other decent gui based distro
[10:31] <nis> Fl-i-nT: ubuntu *is* debian, really.
[10:31] <Fl-i-nT> nis, oh ok
[10:31] <setite> yes it is
[10:32] <WillCooke> nis, Like a sugar-coated Debian!
[10:32] <zenrox> just updated more often
[10:32] <setite> well it is or it is based... bla bla bla
[10:32] <setite> whats wrong with sugar coating
[10:32] <setite> can anyone save this poor noob
[10:32] <zenrox> ya
[10:32] <zenrox> you need some
[10:32] <nis> Fl-i-nT: well if you see the fonts in Ubuntu you will be pleased. Very.
[10:32] <WillCooke> Nothing at all wrong with sugar coating.  It helps it go down easier.
[10:33] <Fl-i-nT> nis, what you mean fonts as in text and why do you say that?
[10:33] <nis> Ubuntu is debian and it does not cripple standard debian toolchain such as dselect etc.
[10:33] <Jesterace> heh i personally don't like debian that much
[10:33] <nis> scotch even better than sugar. ;)
[10:33] <Jesterace> however ubuntu I love
[10:33] <^thehatsrule^> and it loves you Jesterace
[10:33] <WillCooke> :)
[10:33] <Jesterace> hehe
[10:33] <nis> Fl-i-nT: I saw the Bitstream Vera font set integrated in Gentoo.  Well, in Ubuntu it is even more integrated.
[10:33] <Jesterace> there's a p100 in the closet
[10:34] <setite> anyone know how to get ubuntu to display on a widescren monitor
[10:34] <nis> Fl-i-nT: (truetype)
[10:34] <Jesterace> i should take the slave drive out of my server and use it in it :P
[10:34] <setite> i figured itd be stretched... but it doesnt seem to be able to
[10:34] <kevman> I found a bug in Ubuntu's install, though
[10:34] <lytefyre> anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ?
[10:34] <setite> whoops i found a thread with my monitor in the title...::: crosses fingers :::
[10:35] <WillCooke> setite, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html
[10:35] <nis> setite: wild guess: look in the /var/log for XFree and edit XF86Config-4 'extmod' section.
[10:35] <Jesterace> bbiab
[10:36] <Shoda1> Can someone help me installing opera?
[10:37] <ali_> need help with instalation of doom3
[10:37] <setite> yea lets hope that works
[10:37] <^thehatsrule^> SING Shoda1! SING!
[10:37] <setite> if i was getting 1400x1050 id be happy
[10:37] <GnuKemist> hehe
[10:37] <Shoda1> *sing*
[10:37] <^thehatsrule^> ali_, www.idsoftware.com ? :P
[10:37] <netmonk> how do i make a script start every time i start my computer?
[10:37] <setite> im getting more like something else
[10:37] <setite> its really distorted
[10:37] <ali_> i have downloaded the binary file innstalled it and copied over the pak files
[10:37] <ali_> what do i do next
[10:38] <setite> is there an easy way to do that without typing it all in?
[10:38] <Fl-i-nT> brb
[10:38] <setite> would i have to use a livecd or soemthing
[10:38] <^thehatsrule^> run it ?
[10:38] <kkathman> good day all :)
[10:38] <dmouritsendk> netmonk, have a peek at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto/view?searchterm=boot%20sequence
[10:38] <ali_> i dont have any file named doom3, so how can i "run it
[10:38] <GnuKemist> kkathman: hello
[10:39] <kevman> Hiya!
[10:39] <netmonk> thank you, dmouritsendk
[10:39] <andril> hello all
[10:39] <ali_> i innstalled the binary first then i copied over the pak files to the base directory
[10:39] <kkathman> I am trying to get Samba configured correctly, would there be anyone that might help me
[10:39] <dmouritsendk> netmonk, no problem
[10:39] <slept> setite: get-edid |parse-edid will give you information about your display, then you can select advanced configuration in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x..
[10:39] <andril> anyone having issues with themes after upgrading to Hoary?
[10:39] <GnuKemist> kkathman: have you checked the wiki?
[10:39] <ali_> what more can i do,
[10:39] <kkathman> Gnu - yes I followed that
[10:40] <nis> netmonk: ln -s /my/absolute/path/to/my/script /etc/rc2.d/S95myscript <-- example
[10:40] <ali_> should i make a base directory first then install the binary ?
[10:40] <GnuKemist> kkathman: and what exactly is wrong?
[10:40] <slept> kkathman : what doesn't work ?
[10:40] <kkathman> Apparently I have met with 1/2 success :)
[10:40] <GnuKemist> ;)
[10:40] <kkathman> My linux box is on a network in my home with 4 windows boxes
[10:40] <ali_> could any ine help me plaes
[10:40] <kkathman> all boxes are on the same subnet
[10:40] <kkathman> I can access all the windows boxes from my linux box
[10:40] <ali_> come on guys
[10:40] <kkathman> but the reverse is not true
[10:41] <GnuKemist> ohh
[10:41] <kkathman> the windows boxes cant even see the linux box at all
[10:41] <ali_> need help with doom 3, how di i make a runnable doom 3
[10:41] <kkathman> no ping
[10:41] <kkathman> no nothing
[10:41] <adachan> does anyone know how to get 3d working with ati 8500 AIW
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> why not kkathman?
[10:41] <ali_> well
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> adachan, get the binary drivers?
[10:41] <mjr> adachan, it basically should work out of the box
[10:41] <kkathman> why not what?
[10:42] <adachan> 2d works great
[10:42] <GnuKemist> kkathman: did you add the appropriate domain name to the smb.conf file?
[10:42] <mjr> adachan, if not, you'd need to analyze the X server log why not
[10:42] <kkathman> ie. the WORKGROUP
[10:42] <ali_> hmm...
[10:42] <GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
[10:42] <ali_> HELP ME:::doom 3
[10:42] <adachan> is ubuntu installing the current ati driver?
[10:42] <adachan> from ati.com
[10:42] <kkathman> yes I used the configuration tool i Gnome
[10:42] <mjr> adachan, and check what "glxinfo |grep -i Direct" says
[10:42] <slept> kkathman : you have to add a user with smbpasswd to access the linux boxes, when you can see them
[10:43] <mjr> adachan, ATI's proprietary driver is not installed by default, but the free DRI driver should work with 8500
[10:43] <kkathman> slept...can you elaborate on that?
[10:43] <WillCooke> Anyone know about dvbstream?
[10:43] <mjr> adachan, and that is installed by default
[10:43] <GnuKemist> kkathman: smbpasswd or something like that
[10:43] <Redwraith111> does anyone know how to get a printer working over smb.. i can see the linux box from the windows pc but i cant log into it
[10:43] <adachan> mjr, it does work fine
[10:43] <adachan> but i cant get 3d games to work
[10:43] <Redwraith111> thus cannot see if i printer is their or not
[10:43] <ali_> i have followed the instrutions from idsoftware but how can i make a doom3 excutible
[10:43] <mjr> adachan, yes, and it should work fine for 3d too
[10:43] <kkathman> I'll apologize..im very much the novice in linux at the moment
[10:43] <adachan> ok
[10:43] <mjr> adachan, see the above about glxinfo and X logs
[10:43] <adachan> ill reinstall
[10:44] <adachan> i will check it
[10:44] <adachan> im not at the box now
[10:44] <mjr> sure, go ahead, but that'll probably not do you any good
[10:44] <GnuKemist> kkathman: no prob...  I've been using it for a while and still need to check things online every now and then
[10:44] <adachan> does mythtv work with aiw 8500?
[10:44] <tigger|nl> anyone who knows how to install *.prc's and *.pdb's on a palm?
[10:44] <ali_> has anyone installed doom 3 in ubunru before ?
[10:44] <kkathman> would there have been a password originally set up
[10:44] <nis> tigger|nl: pilot-xfer -i file.prc
[10:44] <GnuKemist> kkathman: you have to set it up yourself
[10:45] <kkathman> i just typed smbpasswd in at the console line and its asking for the old SMB password :)
[10:45] <nis> tigger|nl: (iirc)
[10:45] <mrc3> hi all. how can i get gnucash in ubuntu?
[10:45] <setite> does anyone by any chance watch HDTV with and ati hdtv wonder or myhd 120,130 or a fusion hdtv3 or some other hdtv capture card with linux
[10:45] <GnuKemist> kkathman: it will create a password for the user you're logged as
[10:45] <kkathman> well assuming I set this password up, what do I do with that?
[10:46] <mjr> mrc3, it's probably in the warty universe (I know it is in hoary)
[10:46] <GnuKemist> I believe you should be good to go then
[10:46] <tigger|nl> nis: do I have to install something before I can do that? terminal says command not found..
[10:46] <slept> kkathman Redwraith111 : smbpasswd -a username
[10:46] <Redwraith111> mmk
[10:47] <kkathman> Gnu:  It just seems to hang when I try that for some reason
[10:47] <mrc3> mjr, something i can do like `apt-get install gnucash`? i'm totally newbie to ubuntu, i must confess!
[10:47] <Redwraith111> it just gives me a help dialog
[10:47] <kkathman> then it says "Failed the change password.."
[10:47] <GnuKemist> kkathman: which part is it hanging?
[10:47] <kresten> Hi everybody! Do you guys know how to install local dictionaries?
[10:47] <GnuKemist> kkathman: smbpasswd -a username
[10:47] <nis> tigger|nl: yes.  try 'sudo dselect' and look for 'pilot'.
[10:47] <mjr> mrc3, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[10:47] <kkathman> machine 127.0.0.1 rejected the negotiate protocol
[10:47] <GnuKemist> kkathman: change username to your username
[10:48] <Redwraith111> now i do that for each user?
[10:48] <nis> tigger|nl: pilot-link and also a library.
[10:48] <Redwraith111> and should they be able to see the prtiner
[10:48] <nis> tigger|nl: libpisock or something like that
[10:48] <slept> kkathman: can you see the linux box from windows ?
[10:48] <mrc3> mjr, thanks for the pointer!
[10:48] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111: printer setup is a different process after this
[10:48] <kkathman> Gnu: when I do that command, it just prints back a list of commands
[10:49] <nis> tigger|nl: libpisock8
[10:49] <Redwraith111> i did some set up
[10:49] <kkathman> oh wait
[10:49] <kkathman> let me sudo that
[10:49] <slept> Redwraith111: each user
[10:49] <Redwraith111> il lsee if i can acess it but i cant get it to print yet because i could access the linux box
[10:49] <tigger|nl> nis: tnx! it works!
[10:49] <Redwraith111> excellent
[10:49] <Redwraith111> i set up the printer correctly as well
[10:50] <Redwraith111> now if i am a user on the XP box and set it as a printer.. how can i make it so ALL users can use the printer?
[10:50] <kkathman> hmm ok well no error that time after typing the password and retyping
[10:50] <Xappe> hmm, wonder if I can get dune 2 running in dosbox :)
[10:50] <nis> tigger|nl: no problem.  Don't do it as root -- pilot-xfer will work as low user with access to the rs232c port (same access as minicom user has, say).  I think that's correct.
[10:50] <kkathman> now, are you saying that my windows boxes should be able to see the Linux now??
[10:51] <Redwraith111> i just dont have the driver on windows for the printer
[10:51] <kkathman> that doesnt seem right I guess
[10:51] <GnuKemist> kkathman: you may have to restart samba... someone correct me here
[10:51] <Redwraith111> so if i set up the printer can any user use it
[10:51] <Redwraith111> i didnt have to restart
[10:51] <Redwraith111> just aminute ago
[10:51] <kkathman> how do I do that? sorry to be such a newb :)
[10:52] <slept> kkathman : you need the password to log in if you can't see something to log in you can't use your password
[10:52] <GnuKemist> kkathman: /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:52] <GnuKemist> kkathman: not sure if the spelling is correct... am not at the pc right now
[10:53] <kkathman> its stopping and starting so I think its right :)
[10:53] <GnuKemist> kkathman: cool
[10:53] <Redwraith111> i can just dl the drivers on windows for the printer right?
[10:53] <Redwraith111> but do i have to go into each windows account and enter the password?
[10:53] <kkathman> now I should be able to go to a windows box and look at the network and see the box yes?
[10:53] <Redwraith111> or will it just work
[10:53] <GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
[10:53] <Redwraith111> GnuKemist, am i right?
[10:54] <sic|> why don't they just add java to synaptic....jeebus!
[10:54] <kkathman> nope
[10:54] <slept> kkathman : use smbtree to find out if your linuxboxes really can see  windows
[10:54] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111: hang on... didn't follow your thoughts
[10:54] <Redwraith111> oh
[10:54] <kkathman> slept  I can bring up the Computer display in Gnome and go right to a specific directory on one of my windows boxes
[10:54] <Redwraith111> well.. i need to install the driver still (linux doesnt send it over i dont have it) but then do i need toset it up with each user
[10:55] <Redwraith111> or will everyuser beable to print?
[10:55] <NetGeek> anyone having problems updating today?
[10:55] <GnuKemist> Redwraith111: am not too familiar with printer setup but I think you can set it up to be accessible by all
[10:55] <slept> kkathman: thaths the volume-manager that looks for workgroups, you have to make sure your server is in the same group
[10:56] <odie5533> what is the standard in archival filetype for linux?
[10:56] <odie5533> tgz?
[10:56] <stazz> odie5533: tar.gz
[10:56] <kkathman> slept:  Didnt I do that in the network configuration manager when I specified the workgroup as WORKGROUP?
[10:56] <stazz> odie5533: but .tar.bz2 is gaining popularity
[10:56] <GnuKemist> kkathman: another silly thing (it's happened to me before) is to make sure your linux box is not named the same as your windowz
[10:56] <odie5533> which is better?
[10:56] <kkathman> oh its not
[10:56] <mjr> tar.gz is pretty much the norm; tar.bz2 is emerging as a viable option (better compression)
[10:57] <odie5533> Yeah... bz2 is better
[10:57] <mjr> bz2 is tighter but slower, you decide
[10:57] <kkathman> When I go to System Config ... Neworking
[10:57] <GnuKemist> kkathman: I spent several hours one day trying to connect to a friend's server from my laptop... it had the same name as mine
[10:57] <NetGeek> where do you define your workgroup in  hoary?
[10:57] <odie5533> bz2 :D
[10:57] <sdogi> wtf
[10:57] <Chipzz> stazz: is gaining?
[10:57] <selinium_> is there a way to force a program to start in a particular workspace?
[10:57] <odie5533> Also, is tar.bz2 smaller than rar?
[10:57] <Chipzz> .tar.bz2 is in wide use since years
[10:57] <selinium_> Hi all again!
[10:57] <slept> kkathman : I  always edited samba by hand don't know about the gnome things
[10:57] <GnuKemist> NetGeek:
[10:57] <kkathman> and then go to the General tab...  the hostname is set to Ubuntu
[10:58] <kkathman> isnt that the computer name?
[10:58] <stazz> Chipzz: oh, I'm very sorry, let me rephrase..
[10:58] <GnuKemist> NetGeek: check ubuntuguide.org
[10:58] <mjr> odie5533, no idea and irrelevant for this talk about standard archival filetypes in linux, since rar isn't free ;)
[10:58] <GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
[10:58] <sdogi> is there a sloppy focus in gnome?
[10:58] <slept> kkathman : with smbtree you will find out in no time if things are configured right or not
[10:59] <kkathman> The Doman name is blank., the Enable Windows networking is checked, the Description is %h(Samba,Ubuntu) and Domain/Workgroup is WORKGROUP
[10:59] <mjr> sdogi, yes
[10:59] <odie5533> Ah, I thought it was, meh, its so widely used on windows, just wondering
[10:59] <sdogi> mjr: how can i enable it
[10:59] <mjr> sdogi, Preferences/Windows
[10:59] <GnuKemist> take care you all
[10:59] <selinium_> safe driving GnuKemist
[10:59] <netmonk> dmouritsendk, the starting of the script worked out, thanks s bunch
[10:59] <sdogi> mjr: ahh :)
[10:59] <sdogi> mjr: thanks :)
[10:59] <Zodi> whats this room for?
[11:00] <selinium_> Zodi: Ubuntu linux
[11:00] <dmouritsendk> netmonk, no problem :) glad it worked :)
[11:00] <Zodi> kk
[11:00] <ace2001ac> is the 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary' archive down?
[11:00] <kkathman> slept is the command just smbtree at the $ prompt?
[11:00] <selinium_> Zodi: is that you real name?
[11:00] <slept> yes
[11:00] <kkathman> ok I got a long output on that slept
[11:01] <slept> kkathman : did it find your windows boxes ?
[11:01] <kkathman> well
[11:01] <kkathman> I guess yes
[11:01] <kkathman> but just before them
[11:01] <kkathman> its says "failed negprot?
[11:02] <kkathman> but then the boxes are listed with their shared resources
[11:02] <kkathman> negprot = negotiated protocol?
[11:03] <slept> kkathman : do you have a firewall on windows ?
[11:03] <kkathman> oh wait
[11:03] <kkathman> hmm.. I just noticed something
[11:03] <kkathman> the system failed to restart samba
[11:03] <selinium_> hi there slept!
[11:03] <kkathman> when I did that restart
[11:04] <kkathman> it says ok to the stopp...but fail on the start
[11:04] <slept> kkathman : sudo ?
[11:04] <kkathman> should I do a sudo /etc/init.d/samba start   ?
[11:04] <slept> hi selinium_
[11:04] <slept> kkathman: yes it needs sudo
[11:04] <setite_> YAY!!!!
[11:05] <setite_> black bars!!!!
[11:05] <setite_> haha i figure out the issue
[11:05] <slept> kkathman :restart
[11:05] <kkathman> ok its started now
[11:05] <selinium_> slept: If i hang around here long enough I might become useful!
[11:05] <setite_> i needed to select the proper scan ranges
[11:05] <slept> hope so
[11:05] <setite_> for anyone
[11:05] <kkathman> but I get the same output on smbtree
[11:06] <kkathman> failed negprot...then a list of the windows boxes
[11:06] <rsw> hey pals, i heard ubuntu is a redhat project.  true, y/n?
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> no
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> read up
[11:06] <selinium_> rsw: NOOOO!
[11:06] <kkathman> fedora is the RH project I think
[11:06] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[11:06] <setite_> ok now i need to figure out the right settings to get the proper resolution
[11:06] <kkathman> ubuntu is debian-based I believe
[11:07] <slept> kkathman : don't know the negprot thing
[11:07] <setite_> is there a better driver for hoary 64... than the one included... for nvidia
[11:07] <kkathman> slept - I got a message before on failed negotiated protocol
[11:07] <kkathman> so Im thinking that may be similar
[11:07] <rsw> yeah, but from what i heard it seems to be redhat playing with debian.  but as i suspected, it's probably just baseless french propaganda.
[11:07] <setite> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html
[11:07] <rsw> thanks, pals.
[11:07] <selinium_> setite: I think you can choose between the nvidia and the NV driver
[11:07] <setite> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12225&highlight=widescreen+monitor
[11:08] <Shoda1> Shouldn't I be able to install a i386 .deb packet on a amd64 system?
[11:08] <^thehatsrule^> probably
[11:08] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[11:08] <kkathman> prolly not Shoda...wouldnt there be a specific kernel for the 64 bit processor?
[11:09] <kkathman> seems like I saw that somewhere
[11:09] <Shoda1> Yep
[11:09] <kkathman> but you still might be able to
[11:09] <kkathman> I know when I got my cd there were options to get a cd for a 64-bit AMD
[11:10] <kkathman> and another option to get the 386
[11:10] <setite_> where is the xorg.conf file
[11:10] <Shoda1> I read posts from people who installed e.g. opera i386 on amd64
[11:10] <selinium_> setite: you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure your setup,
[11:10] <flint_> does anyone here have SCSI and 1 tb hard drives?
[11:10] <selinium_> setite: it runs a druid for you.
[11:10] <Shoda1> Yes, thats right. There a special OS versions for amd64 systems
[11:10] <kkathman> ohh i see..opera should install ok on the 64-bit machine
[11:10] <setite_> nah ive done all that
[11:11] <setite_> i need to add my custom resolution to the xorg.conf
[11:11] <cyklus> setite: /etc/X11
[11:11] <slept> setite_ :  install read-edid  , get-edid|parse edid will give you all values
[11:11] <setite_> i know what to input... i just dont know where the xorg.conf file is
[11:11] <Shoda1> But dbki brings up a error: " Paket-Architektur (i386) passt nicht zum System (amd64)"
[11:12] <selinium_> setite: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:12] <Xappe> setite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:12] <robertj> whee our campus got a loca Ubuntu mirror
[11:12] <setite_> thanks
[11:12] <selinium_> Hi Xappe
[11:12] <gilles> i've got a big resolution problem on the new hoary (installed with review cd): first, to be able to run gdm on my acer laptop, i had to change the default depth from 24 to 16, but now i have a big resolution 640x480, and whatever i do doesn't change it, even the console's resolution is better! Someone has an idea ?
[11:12] <maxchee> does anyone know of a gnome-vfs plugin that supports compressed archieves?
[11:13] <cyklus> I installed preview and now there are over 250 updates.. are there really that many bug fixes after a feature freeze?
[11:13] <p-fox> when doing a full upgrade to hoary in synaptic, is it identical to installing hoary from an iso?
[11:13] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[11:14] <Shoda1> I meant dpkg of course...
[11:14] <Xappe> selinium_: hi
[11:14] <slept> gilles : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:14] <marsjays> is there any way to make _all_ of my installed (x-based) applications show up in gnomes applications menu?
[11:14] <^thehatsrule^> edit it
[11:15] <Yomic> Where can I find information on how to expand my partition (From a partial 3G of an HD the entire 15G hard-drive)
[11:15] <Yomic> to the*
[11:15] <^thehatsrule^> use parted or qtparted?
[11:15] <maxchee> marsjays: are you using hoary or warty?
[11:15] <geppy> Are any gstreamer-based plugins available for mozilla/firefox?  I'd like to be able to view streamed movies/listen to streamed music, etc
[11:15] <selinium_> Xappe: I am hanging around in the vain hope that some knowledge will rub off!"
[11:16] <selinium_> geppy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:16] <marsjays> maxchee: hoary
[11:16] <maddler> Yomic: try searching for "parted" on freshmeat
[11:16] <Yomic> Okay, thanks.
[11:17] <maxchee> marsjays: someone on the ubuntu forum made a menu editor for gnome 2.10
[11:17] <ronchie02> I have a question, if anyone is willing to take a stab at it
[11:17] <selinium_> go on :)
[11:17] <maxchee> ronchie02: go on
[11:17] <Yomic> Ask it, and they (we) might. ;)
[11:17] <ronchie02> I'm installing Ubuntu, and it keeps locking up at configuring apt
[11:17] <setite_> damn i forgot all the things i knew about ubuntu
[11:18] <ronchie02> I've installed debian before, so I'm familiar with the installer
[11:18] <Xappe> selinium_: what kind of knowledge?
[11:18] <setite_> how do i kill the xserver
[11:18] <geppy> selinium_:  Right, I have mplayer and xine plugins, but I'd like a gstreamer one, as gstreamer is a pretty fancy framework. =)
[11:18] <setite_> so that the changes to xorg will take place
[11:18] <maxchee> setite_: ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:18] <gilles> slept: it changed nothing
[11:19] <selinium_> Xappe: Any :) but mainly linux!
[11:19] <Xappe> selinium_: hehe
[11:19] <slept> setite_ : just stop it with /etc/init.d/gdm restart , kdm for kubuntu
[11:19] <garrut> * setite_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) think it worked :)
[11:19] <flint_> IS there a Equal too kazaa for ubuntu?
[11:20] <maxchee> flint_: amule
[11:20] <selinium_> Xappe: I managed to lunch my Xconfig and learnt so much! irssi and switching between consoles and the like!
[11:20] <flint_> maxchee, geez i have heard realy bad things
[11:20] <ronchie02> It's Hoary, BTW, if that makes a difference
[11:20] <slept> gilles : did you select the resolution you wanted ?
[11:20] <maxchee> flint_: like emule's slowliness
[11:20] <flint_> maxchee, yeah
[11:20] <selinium_> Xappe: Do you  know if there is a way of forcing a program to start in a particular workspace?
[11:21] <flint_> maxchee, if you use one whihc one?
[11:21] <black_Nightmare> one stupid question lol...
[11:21] <black_Nightmare> bios PnP probably should be off to install and run ubuntu with?
[11:21] <maxchee> flint_: if you want speed, go with bit torrent
[11:21] <black_Nightmare> it'll be the only os
[11:21] <gilles> slept: yes, but the problem looks more complicated, i even deleted all low resolution in xorg.conf, but it changed nothing
[11:21] <maxchee> flint_: hoary includes BT support
[11:21] <beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
[11:21] <flint_> maxchee, (abit uneducated in linux) what is bit torrent?
[11:21] <Akira> hoary comes with a bt client
[11:21] <setite> shit
[11:22] <maxchee> flint_: www.bittorrent.com
[11:22] <setite> i buggered the xorg
[11:22] <Xappe> selinium_: workspace as in gnome's virtual desktops?
[11:22] <setite> how do i return it to the original
[11:22] <Akira> bit torrent is like all other p2p in ways
[11:22] <Akira> its not just linux
[11:22] <slept> selinium_ : go to the workspace and start the programm , or just right-click it and move it to where you want it
[11:22] <setite> well the fact that it is peer to peer is one way
[11:22] <gilles> slept: and it depth 24, the laptop can't run gdm
[11:23] <geppy> the xine version of totem has a mozilla plugin
[11:23] <Xappe> slept: I guess he want that procedure automated
[11:23] <geppy> is there a gstreamer-based mozilla plugin to be had?
[11:23] <beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
[11:23] <maxchee> flint_: also there is edonkey. which cannot find the rare files in ed2k, but can download at a much higher speed
[11:23] <selinium_> Xappe: yep, I always start with particular programs on different v desktops. I know how to move them but I didn't know if there was a switch to auto start in desktop 4... Something like that
[11:23] <setite> anyone?
[11:23] <maxchee> flint_: also, note that kazaa has many fakes, while the file quality on ed2k is much higher
[11:23] <garrut> anyone here using valknut?
[11:23] <black_Nightmare> anyone?
[11:23] <slept> setite : read  /etc/X11/xorg and do the md5sum things
[11:23] <Akira> what about emule?
[11:23] <Akira> there is a lot of p2p clients
[11:23] <setite> ok
[11:24] <setite> well not ok
[11:24] <maxchee> geppy: I would suggest media player connection extension for firefox
[11:24] <setite> i dont get that
[11:24] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, basicly will any of them work with 56k?
[11:24] <Xappe> selinium_: if you find out how, please tell me :)
[11:24] <setite> read it from cli?
[11:24] <geppy> maxchee:  What's that, exactly?
[11:24] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: yes
[11:24] <maxchee> geppy: it
[11:24] <selinium_> Xappe: OK mission accepted!
[11:24] <DemonTears> plz can't print arabic font it replace it by bizzare char
[11:24] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, so whihc one do you think is best edonkey or bit torrent?
[11:24] <slept> setite : with any editor or cat
[11:24] <maxchee> is an extension for firefox that will replace the media player plugins with a spaceholder
[11:24] <Xappe> selinium_: dismissed.
[11:24] <DemonTears> i can read them in mozilla firefox
[11:25] <selinium_> Xappe: ROFL
[11:25] <beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
[11:25] <DemonTears> but not printing them
[11:25] <goldfish> Fl-i-nT: torrents are better
[11:25] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: BT is good for new releases, ed2k is for rare/old files
[11:25] <ronchie02> Anyone? :/
[11:25] <goldfish> Fl-i-nT: get azureus for d/l torrents
[11:25] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: I use both
[11:25] <goldfish> yeah
[11:25] <goldfish> :)
[11:25] <garrut> DemonTears: aribic fonts are bizarre characters
[11:25] <garrut> ;)
[11:26] <setite> md5?
[11:26] <slept> beCkman : edit /etc/apt/sources.list replace warthy with hoary, do an apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:26] <setite> can i by any chance pull the xorg off the install cd
[11:26] <kkathman> slept....finally worked
[11:26] <setite> and use a livecd to browse and replace
[11:26] <Xappe> selinium_: :D
[11:27] <maxchee> setite: what are you trying to do?
[11:27] <setite> fix my xorg
[11:27] <setite> i buggered it
[11:27] <slept> setite: you don't have to
[11:27] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, so shall i get azureus or BT ?
[11:27] <dabugas> hello
[11:27] <ronchie02> Can anyone help?
[11:27] <selinium_> setite: you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure your setup,
[11:27] <setite> ok well i know what i need to remove... so i guess i just need to know how
[11:27] <ronchie02> The install freezes half way through configuring apt
[11:27] <Shoda1> It looks like my sources.list is out of date, where can I get a uptodate version of it?
[11:27] <selinium_> setite: i think
[11:27] <jogariga> does anyone know how i can get the new enlightenment working on ubuntu?
[11:27] <setite> will that remove the extra stuff i added to teh xorg?
[11:27] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: just get hoary and you will have a bittorrent client (btw, BT is the short form for bittorrent. Azureus is a popular java+swt bittorrent client)
[11:28] <LuckyStrike> wow developers of ubuntu have made it quite possibly the most user friendly distro about
[11:28] <beCkman> thanks!
[11:28] <slept> setite:  sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[11:28] <selinium_> setite: what have you got to lose!
[11:28] <kkathman> Shoda - apt-get update   apt-get upgrade   apt-get dist-upgrade and that should get you straightened out
[11:28] <maxchee> anyone using openoffice2?
[11:28] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, how big is hoary to download from pure warty fresh install with no updates?
[11:28] <selinium_> setite: listen to slept, slept knows!
[11:28] <_BIJ_> is it possible to install kde via apt-get without risking to break my gnome configuration?
[11:28] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: around 550 megs
[11:29] <setite> whoa
[11:29] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: actually, it's probably less; it's quite a bit, but just less than the CD, I believe.
[11:29] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, then i doubt i can downlaod that with a 56k connexion lol id be here all month
[11:29] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: in the mean time, you can always use the official client (the one from BT's creator, Bram Cohen)
[11:29] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: yup :).
[11:29] <geppy> maxchee:  ?
[11:29] <Shoda1> Thx kkathman, I did run the first 2 commands already and running the third one right now.
[11:29] <garrut> _BIJ_: you can run gnome and kde at the same time no problem
[11:30] <maxchee> geppy: wait...
[11:30] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, its a rpm i donwloaded from there site how do i install it ?
[11:30] <geppy> k
[11:30] <Shoda1> Strangely "apt-get update" returned an error and suggested to run "apt-get update" to fix it O_o
[11:30] <ronchie02> Can someone please help?
[11:30] <maxchee> geppt: find it here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1899&hl=media
[11:30] <gilles> i can't have at the same time the sound of the system, and the sound in totem, why?
[11:31] <gilles> (on ubuntu hoary)
[11:31] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: try apt-get install bittorrent
[11:31] <kkathman> Shoda - hmm thats interesting
[11:31] <kkathman> what was the error?
[11:31] <garrut> gilles: your soundcard doesn't support duplex, you can do that through software though
[11:32] <apokryphos> gilles: You will likely want to look into getting ALSA with the dmix plugin set up
[11:32] <helix_> are the ubuntu archives down?
[11:32] <helix_> i do apt-get update and it fails
[11:32] <slept> kkathman : what was the problem with samba , how did you fix it ?
[11:32] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, you know how hoary right now is in preview what exactly do they mean by preview like it doesnt have full programmes or something?
[11:32] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: you should install new programs using apt-get or the graphical Synaptic Package Manager
[11:32] <apokryphos> helix_: nope
[11:32] <ronchie02> Hey, can someone please help?
[11:33] <maxchee> geppy: find it here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1899&hl=media
[11:33] <ronchie02> configuring apt locks up
[11:33] <ronchie02> half way thorough
[11:33] <kkathman> slept:   Not sure I've 100% fixed it
[11:33] <ronchie02> **through
[11:33] <helix_> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg
[11:33] <helix_>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138), connection timed out
[11:33] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, ok
[11:33] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: it means that it's still technically in "developement" status. It will reach "stable" status on April; roughly April 6th.
[11:33] <helix_> i get that
[11:33] <kkathman> slept:  The windows boxes can now see the Linux box though
[11:33] <geppy> maxchee: Thanks!
[11:33] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: did it work?
[11:33] <setite> nothing happened
[11:33] <Yomic> When running ./configure for parted I can across the following error:
[11:33] <Yomic> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[11:33] <Yomic> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:33] <setite> it errored
[11:33] <slept> kkathman : great, are you able to log in ?
[11:33] <setite> saying no md5-sum or soemthing
[11:33] <kkathman> but when I click on Ubuntu on the Windows tree, it times out
[11:33] <Fackamato> Yomic: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:33] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, shoudl i pkill gnome-panel'' ?
[11:33] <Yomic> OKay, thanks.
[11:33] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Though in such a status, the vast majority of people in here are using it. Hoary has all the latest apps etc. Warty will still get security updates for 18 months after its release, but it won't be getting new apps.
[11:34] <kkathman> slept I dont want to log in, just see files on the other machines
[11:34] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: try killall gnome-panel
[11:34] <setite> and dpkg-reconfigure wouldnt work because i modified my xorg
[11:34] <heatwave> Im running hoary preview... how do I get my old cursors back?
[11:34] <codyman> hey what browser does everyone use around here.. I've been using firefox lately but its been crashing on me a lot.. and konquerer is ridiculously slow on my computer even though I have a super fast cable connection
[11:34] <Shoda1> kkathman: I added something to sources.list as suggested in the ubuntu starter guide
[11:34] <heatwave> the new cursors arent as nice :/
[11:34] <heatwave> (esp the waiting-cursor)
[11:34] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: btw, rpm packages can be installed using the alien utility. but note that this is for applications only. (not libraries)
[11:34] <apokryphos> heatwave: do you recall the name of it?
[11:34] <slept> setite: dpkg  -P xserver-xorg and then reinstall it
[11:34] <Shoda1> The error was :"W: Kann nicht auf die Liste ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)
[11:34] <Shoda1> W: Sie mchten vielleicht apt-get update aufrufen, um diese Probleme zu lsen"
[11:35] <setite> reinstall what
[11:35] <setite> ubuntu
[11:35] <LuckyStrike> does ubuntu have a run level gui setup tool?
[11:35] <codyman> Shoda1: whats that say in english...
[11:35] <gilles> apokryphos: what package should i install, and what may i change in the system preferences ?
[11:35] <dabugas> does anyone know if there is a package for gmplayer? (i mean mplayer compiled with the gui)
[11:35] <helix_> does anyone knows why my apt keeps failing to update
[11:35] <heatwave> apokryphos: no, it was just the stock cursors.. the waiting-cursor was this round circle-thing in warty, but here in hoary its an analog clock
[11:35] <Xappe> heatwave: well, that is pure old cursors that got lost somewhere in the updates. the old ones should get back til the release
[11:35] <codyman> helix_: i am having the same problem right now
[11:35] <Shoda1> Which looks like some urls are out of date and I shouls run apt-get update to fix the problems
[11:35] <slept> setite: no, the xserver
[11:35] <Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: that's only a warning (just sorta figuring it from what is written there) but it means you haven't downloaded marillat's public key yet, unfortunately I've lost the link to how to do that or I'd tell you
[11:35] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, where abouts is it o.O
[11:36] <setite> oh running reconfigure will recreate the file?
[11:36] <helix_> codyman: mmm?
[11:36] <Xappe> heatwave: and i'm to tired to make any sense'
[11:36] <kevman`> Excuse me, but how should I determine how full the HD storing Ubuntu is?
[11:36] <Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: or it could be that you haven't run apt-get update yet
[11:36] <heatwave> Xappe: ok, good :)
[11:36] <codyman> helix_: maybe servers down.. it always is freezing at 99%
[11:36] <apokryphos> gilles: remind me again of the problem
[11:36] <kkathman> Slept: do I need to create users on my linux box that correspond to the winbox name?
[11:36] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[11:36] <gilles> apokryphos: no system sound and sound in totem at the same time
[11:36] <selinium_> lo
[11:36] <helix_> codyman: mine doesnt even goes from zero up
[11:36] <helix_> it timed out
[11:36] <pxro> how to change the default boot-in-XYZos ?
[11:37] <pxro> in yaboot
[11:37] <Shoda1> Quinn_Storm: "apt-get update" IS the program who brings up this error ;)
[11:37] <codyman> helix_: hmm... did it just stop working suddenly?
[11:37] <garrut> kevman: df -h
[11:37] <confrey> I installed libdvdcss2,but I can't see a dvd with totem, why?
[11:37] <slept> kkathman : you can choose whathever you want you have to log in anyway
[11:37] <helix_> codyman: yeah
[11:37] <Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: then its just the warning I mentioned, and you can safely ignore it
[11:37] <apokryphos> gilles: oh yes. http://resolute.ucsd.edu/diwaker/articles/howtos/howto-alsa-dmix.html
[11:37] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, see how jsut because BT( british telecom ) cant be asked to run a 1 mile long cable to the sourronding villages we peope are serously dissadvantaged
[11:37] <helix_> codyman: whats the ip of your server
[11:37] <setite> im almost done burning the livecd if that helps
[11:37] <codyman> helix_: if you haven't changed anything I would just chill for an hour or so and try again maybe the servers are really busy and or down
[11:37] <helix_> codyman: that is ubuntus
[11:37] <codyman> helix_: let me check
[11:37] <Shoda1> ok, thx
[11:37] <Xappe> Shoda1: wait for a while and try again
[11:37] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: That certainly sucks. I'm in GB, too. Wherabouts are you? :)
[11:38] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, South you?
[11:38] <codyman> helix_: us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:38] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: London :P
[11:38] <setite> felixstoe?
[11:38] <gilles> apokryphos: that looks very complicated... it's not for me
[11:38] <setite> ipswitch?
[11:38] <setite> ipswich*
[11:38] <kevman`> Thanks, garrut
[11:38] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i am around bristol
[11:38] <kkathman> Slept:  Hmm, I dont have to login from one windows box to another
[11:38] <helix_> codyman: 216.165.129.138) <------------
[11:38] <kevman`> I have all kinds of room!
[11:38] <apokryphos> gilles: don't be put off. It's simple file-editing.
[11:38] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Cool; I'm thinking of going to Uni there this year. Nice place.
[11:39] <confrey> where can I put a command to be executes evry boot timew?
[11:39] <pxro> how to change default boot from linux to an other os ?
[11:39] <pxro> in yaboot
[11:39] <setite> slept... i dont know if you answered
[11:39] <slept> setite : you won't need the cd , you can just remove all xorg things and install them again,
[11:39] <sabmoc> confrey, what type of command?
[11:39] <setite> if i remove the xserver how an i to reinstall it
[11:39] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, how old are you becuase i still have another 4 years to even think about how to spell uni lol
[11:39] <setite> i dont know if apt is working from cli
[11:39] <borgista> anybody else having trying running *apt-get update*?
[11:39] <confrey> a little script to make ip masquerading
[11:39] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: 18
[11:39] <codyman> borgista: yes me and helix are having problems
[11:39] <borgista> ok
[11:39] <borgista> good, i'm not the only one
[11:40] <codyman> yes.. something is up
[11:40] <slept> kkathman: I didn't figure out if there is  a way to log in without password
[11:40] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos gezz take 3 of that thats me i am young hehe
[11:40] <confrey> I have a old PC, it is only a server, it only must share the internet connection
[11:40] <sabmoc> confrey, have you seen firestarter? does ipmasq very nicely
[11:40] <slept> setite : apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:40] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: minor :D.
[11:40] <setite> hmmm... ill try...
[11:40] <sabmoc> confrey, apt-get install firestarter
[11:40] <kkathman> slept: so are you saying that over in the windows side, I need to map a drive to the ubuntu server and put in the name and password
[11:41] <confrey> sabmoc, I don't know what it is, no matter; I only want to launch
[11:41] <confrey> my little script every boot
[11:41] <slept> setite : if you deinstall you have to remove --purge
[11:41] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, check it out i jsut thoguht of something funny, you know in the matrix how they take the pill and they enter real life well its like here we linux users have escaped the windows empire and are saved
[11:41] <setite> sudo dpkg -p xserver-xorg?
[11:41] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: released/set free/unleashed. Yes. ;-)
[11:41] <setite> ok livecd burned...
[11:41] <sabmoc> confrey, check init.d
[11:41] <borgista> anybody else experience big instability w/FIrefox in Hoary?
[11:42] <sabmoc> confrey, services that start on boot should go there
[11:42] <slept> kkathman : didn't really get it, if you connect from win to lin you need username and password (I do )
[11:42] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, since when you been linux user
[11:42] <Shoda1> I get the error "/usr/lib/opera/7.54-20050131.5/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" so I need to install "libqt-mt.so.3", right?
[11:42] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: just under a year, now.
[11:42] <Shoda1> Can I install that with apt-get?
[11:42] <tigger|nl> Shodal: run "gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907" from terminal (without " ofcourse ;)) and then sudo apt-get update, I had error messages with nerim.net, but now it works!
[11:42] <confrey> sabmoc, in ither distribution there is a rc.local; in debian-like what is ?
[11:42] <kkathman> yes you need to install the libqt-mt
[11:42] <slept> setite : its -P
[11:42] <HdrBtrFSr> horay using gnome 2.10 yet?
[11:42] <setite> capital?
[11:42] <Shoda1> Ok, thanks a lot tigger!
[11:42] <sabmoc> not sure
[11:42] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i am a total noob when i mean noob i meant it (you can tell)
[11:42] <borgista> it is HdrBtrFSr
[11:42] <setite> damn i forgot that case sensitive bs
[11:43] <HdrBtrFSr> (as in, if i download 5.04)
[11:43] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: all in good time. :P
[11:43] <borgista> Yes.
[11:43] <Xappe> HdrBtrFSr: since before 2.10 was released :P
[11:43] <kkathman> I had to do that also...you can find instructions by searching the Ubuntu site under the applications support area
[11:43] <justin`> whats the default root password for ubuntu? I don't remember setting one
[11:43] <tigger|nl> shodal: hope it works for you too!
[11:43] <apokryphos> justin`: there isn't one. Use sudo.
[11:43] <borgista> justin'...it's your user password
[11:43] <Mr_Elendig> justin`, there ain't one
[11:43] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, look do you think i should read all the manuals whihc will boar meto death and i wil;l forget 95% of it or shall i stay here and just learn by trial and improvment (what did you do?)
[11:44] <apokryphos> justin`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:44] <HdrBtrFSr> how stable is it for someone looking to be able to do day-to-day work & some minor server admin stuff?
[11:44] <Mr_Elendig> having a default root pasword, now that is a "good" idea
[11:44] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It really depends on what manual and what for. I'd recommend a manual/tutorial on the Command Line. It'll make you more confident with it.
[11:44] <borgista> I've only had minor issues with GAIM...and some BIG issues with firefox.
[11:44] <borgista> in hoary
[11:44] <Mr_Elendig> just like making a master key for all the bank vaults in the world
[11:44] <apokryphos> Mr_Elendig: *cough* Mepis.
[11:44] <HdrBtrFSr> borgista: big issues w/ firefox is a major turnoff
[11:44] <borgista> I know it is.
[11:44] <Xappe> mmm, firefox in hoary is quite a drag right now
[11:45] <borgista> It's really buggin me
[11:45] <Quinn_Storm> Xappe: what's wrong with it?
[11:45] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, what you mean by command line is like terminals and stuff like cd mkdir rm ls ls -a apt-get etc etc etc?
[11:45] <HdrBtrFSr> (off-topic: /igore *what* will block joins/leaves messages?)
[11:45] <kkathman> ahh another small victory, I got my linux box printing through to a windows printer :)
[11:45] <HdrBtrFSr> *ignore
[11:45] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Anything in the Terminal, yup.
[11:45] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, is this what you did
[11:45] <kkathman> apokryphos...how do you like Konqueror?
[11:45] <Shoda1> kkathman: Can I install libqt-mt with apt-get?
[11:45] <smouche> konqueror or epiphany are more usable right now, even mozilla, than firefox.
[11:46] <Fl-i-nT> or a year ago linux was still in the stone age :P
[11:46] <Xappe> Quinn_Storm: well, it wont save files unless you do a "save link as...". it dies unexpectedly when browsing files and so on...
[11:46] <apokryphos> kkathman: I love it. One of my favourite apps of all time.
[11:46] <pxro> how to change yaboots defaults ?
[11:46] <borgista> yeah...i'm going to migrate to epiphany in the mean time
[11:46] <kkathman> shoda I believe you can
[11:46] <borgista> until Firefox gets fixed
[11:46] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Yup, exactly.
[11:46] <kkathman> Im sure I had to do that
[11:46] <Fl-i-nT> smouche, loads of peeps using windows i know in my school have fire fox
[11:46] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It's also worth just skim reading the beggining of the rute manual; it tells you some basic Linux stuff.
[11:46] <kkathman> apokryphos - you like Konq better than Opera or Firefox?
[11:47] <Shoda1> kkathman: How?
[11:47] <HillTop> Quinn_Storm, I had some of thosew problems with Warty, I hope Hoary is better. :)
[11:47] <smouche> I love firefox on windows, but this new version 1.1 is acting weird and very slow.
[11:47] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, ok i will take that advice another thing are you anygood with fire fox?
[11:47] <apokryphos> kkathman: I'm not sure whether you use Gnome... but in KDE, I've found Konqueror to be *much* faster than Firefox (both starting up + loading pages).
[11:47] <SysFail> firefox sux
[11:47] <smouche> I'm sure it'll get fixed
[11:47] <kkathman> smouche - check the ubuntu forums...there is something you can do ...some setting that makes Firefox faster
[11:47] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: What's the problem? I don't use it as my default browser.
[11:47] <smouche> thanks kkathman
[11:47] <borgista> i agree with kkathman
[11:48] <borgista> they help
[11:48] <_phate_> how do I get a serial mouse to work with Hoary?
[11:48] <apokryphos> Firefox tweaking: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[11:48] <kkathman> apokryphos - I havent gotten KDE up...Im using Gnome at the moment...some benchmarks I read said Opera was fastest in Gnome, but Konq was better in KDE
[11:48] <smouche> I'll do that; I do love konqueror; especially as a file browser too; love having tabs to browse folders
[11:48] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i jsut have this thing that whenever i use it it has soem red text at the bottom saying ^ class="t
[11:49] <black_Nightmare> phate....that would be different I believe..need different driver (or kernel whatever is proper?? lol) to run it
[11:49] <codyman> anyone here use amarok
[11:49] <apokryphos> codyman: right here
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> amarok?
[11:49] <borgista> not i, says borgista
[11:49] <black_Nightmare> the only reason usb mouse can work is since onboard usb usually have a overlay that let bios see it as a ps/2
[11:49] <borgista> amaroK is the player in KDE
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[11:49] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Sounds quite dodgy. Have you reported it? Firefox is in MAIN...
[11:49] <kkathman> I like KDE but this box Im on is VERY limited so Gnome is about as good as I get right now :)
[11:49] <codyman> apokryphos: what package enables mp3 playback?
[11:50] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, I'm not talking about a USB mouse I have a serial mouse as in COM1
[11:50] <apokryphos> codyman: it should all come with amaroK. But if it doesn't, get the gstreamer0.8-mad package
[11:50] <black_Nightmare> phate...I was just saying 'the only reason' anyhow
[11:50] <smouche> ...weird, weird.  My touch pad wasn't working under gnome; installed kde, now it works under both gnome and kde...
[11:50] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, thats okay
[11:50] <black_Nightmare> no problem
[11:50] <apokryphos> borgista: it's not the default KDE player, just for the record. Recommended one in Kubuntu though.
[11:50] <kkathman> I had KDE up when I had Libranet up
[11:50] <codyman> apokryphos: i have the -mad package.. but when I import my mp3's they don't show up in the window..
[11:51] <borgista> but i meant it's the best player in KDE
[11:51] <apokryphos> borgista: I agree
[11:51] <black_Nightmare> phate..just asking but..are you on AT board or just an ATX board but with a serial mouse?
[11:51] <apokryphos> codyman: did you get it from the repositories?
[11:51] <codyman> yes
[11:52] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, my board is freakish, it can be both AT and ATX but it only has one PS/2 port and no USB so I have to use a serial mouse.
[11:52] <codyman> aha! fixed it
[11:52] <apokryphos> codyman: cool. What did you do?
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> phate...sounds like very rare 'crossover' board (as in trying to convert over to ATX)
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> phate..so I take it the one ps/2 port is already for keyboard - right?
[11:52] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, it was a one point a SBC pII server
[11:52] <codyman> dragged the music folder into the playlist window instead of adding it via amaroks file add deal
[11:52] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, yep
[11:53] <codyman> apokryphos: o great it broke again
[11:53] <black_Nightmare> phate...hmmm I see where your problem is now....
[11:53] <codyman> now it says there's no engines although there were some a minute ago
[11:53] <phxguy> does anybody know if the ubunto repositories are having nework problems this afternoon? Specifically http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security
[11:53] <apokryphos> codyman: erm, amaroK's "add" thing will put it into the collection, not the playlist...
[11:53] <black_Nightmare> phate...I would say...a generic 2-button and 3-button serial mouse driver needs to be written and uploaded to the ubuntu software page
[11:54] <Xappe> goodnight ppl
[11:54] <codyman> thats what i meant.. i wanted to add to the collection but it wasn't doing it corrrectly
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> ....or can someone correct me wrong and say there is already something like this?
[11:54] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, is in main what/
[11:54] <codyman> but now i can't see any engines and now apt is in a tizzy and won't search so i am just going to reboot and hopefully everything will somehow work
[11:54] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, it should be built into Xorg
[11:54] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: did you get bittorrent working?
[11:54] <borgista> apt-get isn't working for anyone
[11:54] <borgista> at least not for me
[11:54] <borgista> apt-get update gets errors
[11:54] <ubuntu> ahhhh!!!
[11:54] <apokryphos> codyman: have you tried pressing "Update" and re-dragging in?
[11:54] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, urm no i cant find it and when i try to run it i couldnt
[11:54] <borgista> something about the GPGs
[11:54] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, where is it?
[11:54] <ubuntu> slept i need more help
[11:55] <codyman> apokryphos: yeah, its working now
[11:55] <setite2> or anyone
[11:55] <codyman> my comp is being weird today
[11:55] <maxchee> well, do you know how to open Synaptic?
[11:55] <jazzka> hi!
[11:55] <setite2> how do i view my linux partition from the livecd
[11:55] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, yeha
[11:55] <maxchee> on the administrator menu
[11:55] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Because it's in Main (repository), it's officially supported by Ubuntu. So, you can file a bug... though, have you tried reinstalling?
[11:55] <smouche> hmm, apokryphos , the page you linked to above on ubuntuforums mentions installing RealPlayer to /usr/local.
[11:55] <apokryphos> codyman: heh
[11:55] <maxchee> just search for bittorrent
[11:55] <apokryphos> smouche: the firefox tweaking one? Nope...
[11:55] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, nope i didnt know you could do that ill try
[11:55] <smouche> but www.ubuntuguide.org says to install to my folder
[11:55] <jazzka> I would like to write a text in color, using a bash script, can echo do that?
[11:55] <Jesterace> ugh stuck in windows for dvd authoring I miss ubuntu :(
[11:56] <_phate_> setite2, mount /mnt/whatever /dev/hda1
[11:56] <phxguy> I think the ubuntu repository servers are having problem =(
[11:56] <apokryphos> smouche: here it is again: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[11:56] <calamari_> hi
[11:56] <maxchee> Jesterace: which tool are you using?
[11:56] <slept> setie2 : you have to mount it ,
[11:56] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: yup. Just reinstall from synaptic.
[11:56] <setite2> ok
[11:56] <setite2> hmmm... to the wiki i go
[11:56] <smouche> sorry, apokryphos , I know, I'm changing th e subject
[11:56] <smouche> but I;m taling about the same page
[11:57] <Fl-i-nT> maxchee, what shall i do?
[11:57] <calamari_> when I cd to a symlink then do "cd ..", or "ls ..", etc.. it goes to the parent dir of the symlink rather than the previous dir I was in.  Is there a way to fix this?
[11:57] <black_Nightmare> phate..hm I dunno what else to say about the serial mouse....good luck anyhow
[11:57] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, how many linux distro's you been involved with
[11:57] <smouche> just wondering if Realplayer should go in /usr/local or in home/realplayer
[11:57] <maxchee> Jesterace: Just search for the name bittorrent?
[11:57] <apokryphos> smouche: Oh, that doesn't really matter. You'd install it to /usr/local if you wanted to eventually allow other users on the comp to access too.
[11:57] <slept> setie2:The live cd won't make things easier
[11:57] <borgista> realplayer? is that even worth using?
[11:57] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: 3 properly; 2 have been a passer-by.
[11:57] <setite2> why not
[11:57] <slept> setie2: did you try to remove an reinstall the xserver ?
[11:57] <setite2> i cant edit
[11:57] <setite2> i did the ep
[11:57] <setite2> -P
[11:57] <smouche> ah hah... thanks apokryphos -- borgista, if you want to listen to radio streams that require it
[11:57] <setite2> and got errors
[11:58] <Jesterace> maxchee i'm playing with a freeware divx to Dvd converter
[11:58] <setite2> something abotu dependencies
[11:58] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, which ones?
[11:58] <smouche> if helix works as well, whatever.
[11:58] <borgista> ah...but i just get the codecs ...and using the totem plugin thing...and voil
[11:58] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Properly: Mandrake, Fedora, Ubu. Passer-by: Debian, SuSE.
[11:59] <smouche> hmm, ok borgista, but I'm not sure that works with embedded applets in web pages ... but I'll try
[11:59] <slept> setite2: so you didn't do it ? what did you mess up with xorg ?
[11:59] <borgista> ok
[11:59] <setite2> i tried to add my resolution
[11:59] <slept> setie2 : just configuration or more ?
[11:59] <setite2> i created a section called "Modes"
[11:59] <smouche> damn web sites have these freaking customized players, annoying
[11:59] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i tryed mandrake latest 10.1 but its was really going wrong on me and people told me ubuntu and gentoo was brill so i picked ubuntu
[11:59] <setite2> and i added a resolution to the subsections
[12:00] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, I ran mdetect and found out its using the logitech serial protocal for hoary, in warty it was the MS protocal it was using