[12:12] <lytefyre> amu: the ide=reverse dint work
[12:14] <amu> lytefyre: meanwhile i found probably a solution, please check http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8050.html
[12:15] <lytefyre> thanks in advance
[12:16] <hoschbert> hi! what can I do with this problem: xorg causes a lag of about 4 seconds... typing "top" shows xorg using a lot of cpu-power, in X everything is "paused".. any idea?
[12:16] <dimmak> yeah... i am totally having probs with the repositories
[12:23] <amu> lytefyre: in adition you should file a bug :) it shouldbe fixed asap
[12:23] <lytefyre> thanks, just went through the whle site,seens like it has something to do with bugs 496 and  3363 
[12:25] <lytefyre> am going to try the new install method , wish me luck ;) !
[12:36] <francesc> Hi, I'm having problems with the Xservers file, with kdm in kubuntu I can't get it to work...
[12:37] <francesc> I've made a link and copied from xdm to /etc/kde3/kdm/, but I still can't set the -dpi to 75
[12:38] <francesc> anyone has had this issue?
[12:38] <francesc> kdm from kubuntu seems to use other config files, different from debian ones, but which ones?
[12:45] <neom> There there a cli command to generate a random password?
[12:47] <HaPpYhObO> Kumbuyah my Lord kumbuyah
[12:47] <slim> lol HaPpYhObO wtf
[12:47] <francesc> neom, you can it uuidgen and also there are 2 extensions for firefox that do that job
[12:48] <francesc> neom, you can try uuidgen and also there are 2 extensions for firefox that do that job
[12:48] <francesc> so... nobody is missing the Xservers file in the Kubuntu's kdm??
[01:10] <francesc> thanks a lot, what a great community... :(
[02:21] <maxchee> any work being done by the devs to make kde mroe usable?
[02:22] <ggilbert> yes
[02:22] <Riddell> maxchee: all suggestions happily accepted
[02:53] <ggilbert> Riddell: Just one thought, but maybe move the games out of the different subdirectories of Games, and into one menu?
[02:54] <ggilbert> and hide the application name that currently appears next to the description of menu items
[02:55] <ggilbert> I guess that's two thoughts
[02:56] <Riddell> ggilbert: imteresting idea with games, will consider.  why don't you like to know which application you are running?
[02:58] <ggilbert> Riddell: I like knowing what I'm running, but it seems redundant to list something as Personal Information Manager ( Kontact ) or Web Browser ( Konqueror ). 
[02:58] <Riddell> if you have 2 web browsers installed you wouldn't know which you were about to run
[02:59] <ggilbert> yeah that is a problem
[03:00] <ggilbert> how does gnome handle it? Do they do the same thing as KDE?
[03:03] <Riddell> eek, I made someone install gnome :)
[03:03] <ggilbert> haha
[03:03] <ggilbert> I do it every release anyways :p
[03:03] <brian_> lol
[03:04] <ggilbert> if they just hide the app name, then the kde way might be the lesser of two evils
[03:05] <brian_> i just came in and i'm not sure what you are talking about. It sounds like menus?
[03:05] <ggilbert> brian_: yeah
[03:05] <ggilbert> brian_: The current menu entries being Description ( Name ) 
[03:06] <maxchee> okay, I just think that kde can be complex without being complicated
[03:06] <maxchee> right now the UI is chaotic
[03:07] <maxchee> it would be a lot nicer if the saner configs and better organizations are applied
[03:07] <maxchee> also, is kubuntu aware of the KDE usability group?
[03:08] <maxchee> I read on dotKDE that they are drafting a HIG for KDE!
[03:08] <Riddell> maxchee: kubuntu-default-settings attempts to do this
[03:09] <Riddell> maxchee: concrete suggestions would be very welcome
[03:09] <brian_> i like Internet - Web Browsers - Mozilla etc.. then list all browsers that you have installed on your computer
[03:09] <maxchee> then the next thing would be to make the UI more context-aware
[03:09] <Riddell> maxchee: I am incontact with the usability man, we plan to have a good look at all the settings sometime after hoary
[03:09] <maxchee> ie. more context-aware popup menus
[03:10] <ggilbert> maxchee:  indepth ui changes are a little outside the realm of the distribution maintainer though
[03:10] <Riddell> maxchee: right click means exist throughout KDE
[03:10] <maxchee> ggilbert: I am aware of that
[03:10] <maxchee> ggilbert: it would be better if kubuntu can help kde to simplify its yi
[03:10] <maxchee> sorry, I mean UI
[03:10] <maxchee> Riddell: they are just too long
[03:11] <maxchee> Riddell: and a lot of menus can be replaced by drag and drop (example: the applet addition/deletion menus)
[03:11] <ggilbert> brian_: personally i don't like the idea of adding too many submenus. It breaks it  makes things a bit tougher to get to.
[03:12] <maxchee> Riddell: and although people are complaining about gconf, it would be nice if kde have such a thing
[03:12] <ggilbert> s/it breaks//
[03:12] <maxchee> Riddell: a lot of the settings are rarely used
[03:13] <maxchee> ggilbert: a gconf/about:config like system will pacify the advanced users and help less advanced users adopt
[03:14] <maxchee> Riddell: also, I believe it's a good idea to separate konquorer into two apps
[03:14] <brian_> ggilbert: I guess for me it is eaiser, when I want to run a app that is internet related I just go to the Internet menu then to whatever submenu I need
[03:15] <maxchee> Riddell: this is inline with the unix philosophy of small tools with focused functions.
[03:16] <ggilbert> I dunno, I've always thought of konqueror as being in line with that philosphy
[03:17] <maxchee> ggilbert: but it's a file manager and a browser all rolled into one!
[03:17] <Riddell> maxchee: sounds like you have a few KDE gripes (all perfectly valid)
[03:17] <Riddell> :)
[03:17] <maxchee> and the UI shows it
[03:17] <maxchee> Riddell: I really wanted to use kde
[03:17] <Riddell> maxchee: applet addition/deletion is being fixed in the next KDE version
[03:17] <maxchee> Riddell: I am big fan of DCOP/Kparts
[03:17] <maxchee> Riddell: is the next version 4.0?
[03:17] <Riddell> maxchee: next version is either 3.5 or 4.0
[03:18] <Riddell> gconf smells, the problem is to sort and allow to search configutaion options in a usable way
[03:18] <maxchee> Riddell: did the usability team set a schedule on the adoption of HIG by apps shiped with KDE?
[03:18] <Riddell> which is also being looked at for KDE 4
[03:18] <Riddell> maxchee: KDE 4
[03:18] <Riddell> is the schedule
[03:18] <maxchee> Riddell: well, I think about:config in firefox might be a better example
[03:19] <Riddell> maxchee: konqueror is a very small tool with a focused function (to load kparts)
[03:19] <Riddell> maxchee: about:config being a configuration dialogue?
[03:19] <maxchee> Riddell: type about:config into firefox
[03:19] <Riddell> i have no firefox
[03:20] <maxchee> Riddell: it is a bit too primitive for kde, but it might work better than gconf (which is comparable to the dreaded windows registry)
[03:20] <maxchee> Riddell: or mozilla
[03:20] <Riddell> I have no mozilla
[03:20] <maxchee> Riddell: well, I will send you a screenshot then
[03:20] <ggilbert> Riddell: basically it just lists all of the config file options for mozilla in one long html page
[03:21] <maxchee> yes
[03:21] <ggilbert> I dont think it's all that useful myself
[03:21] <maxchee> again, firefox does not have all than many settings, which means it is very primitive
[03:21] <ggilbert> since you dont necessarilly know what are valid responses in the context of the config
[03:22] <maxchee> somehow, by making the config system a two-tier system, it allows people to tweak the common settings quickly to get to work and tweak kde further when they have time to get rid of their small complains so that it fits like a glove
[03:22] <maxchee> ggilbert: that's true
[03:23] <maxchee> Riddell: my gripe with konqueror is that I would like it to have a UI focused on browsing only when it is in browser mode
[03:23] <ggilbert> I'm kind of the opinion that if an option is  not important enough to put in the preferences, then it probably should just be removed altogether
[03:24] <maxchee> ggilbert: that's another option. although some kde people hate to learn from the gnome project
[03:24] <maxchee> Riddell: and a UI focused on file management and loading kparts for preview without any browsing functions
[03:25] <ggilbert> maxchee: That stuff is improving
[03:25] <maxchee> ggilbert: although it still needs some work before it can reach firefox's simplicity
[03:26] <ggilbert> maxchee: yeah
[03:27] <maxchee> ggilbert: I think kde needs to be simple, yet has its unique qualities
[03:27] <maxchee> ggilbert: flexibility and ultra-tight intergration between apps would be its best qualities
[03:27] <maxchee> gnome bonobo is just brain-dead
[03:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet..i just plugged in my usb mouse and took my ps/2 mouse out and it just works..
[03:28] <brian_> but you have to keep kde fast too
[03:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's way to simple for linux.
[03:28] <maxchee> ggilbert: also will KDE 4 require a longer period of time to develop?
[03:29] <maxchee> ggilbert: since it's a major revision.
[03:29] <ggilbert> it needs more work, and I teahteag
[03:29] <ggilbert> blah
[03:29] <ggilbert> yeah
[03:29] <maxchee> ggilbert: but will it take as long as KDE2?
[03:29] <ggilbert> don't know, i seriously doubt it though
[03:30] <ggilbert> kde 1 and kde2 are much more different from each other than kde 2 and kde 3 seem
[03:30] <brian_> i hated kde 1
[03:30] <maxchee> ggilbert: both gnome2 and kde2 sufferred from long dev time
[03:30] <maxchee> brian_: I actually think kde 1 is much better compared to gnome 1
[03:31] <maxchee> brian_: at least most things work
[03:31] <maxchee> lastly, anyone here using koffice?
[03:31] <brian_> yes you are right but i found it very bloated
[03:31] <ggilbert> I dont think suffered is quite the right word. Both projects took the time to stop and focus a bit more. KDE suffered from the second system effect a bit more than gnome
[03:32] <maxchee> ggilbert: second system effect?
[03:32] <ggilbert> I actually liked kde 1 quite a bit. I started using the betas of it when i started with linux, and it was a very nice desktop  for the time
[03:32] <ggilbert> maxchee: A bit over built
[03:32] <maxchee> ggilbert: yeah.
[03:33] <ggilbert> maxchee: the idea is that the second time you build something you tend to over compensate for design flaws in the first one
[03:33] <maxchee> ggilbert: a lot of popular oss suffer from feature-creep, but right now firefox is setting a better trend
[03:33] <maxchee> ggilbert: so over-engineered?
[03:33] <brian_> catch you later kids bath time
[03:33] <ggilbert> gnome did the same thing, but in the opposite direction :)
[03:33] <brian_> i mean my kids bath time
[03:34] <maxchee> ggilbert: under-built?
[03:34] <ggilbert> maxchee: a bit. They got the idea that their stuff was too chaotic and tried to simplify it. I think they went a little too far
[03:34] <maxchee> ggilbert: that's true
[03:34] <ggilbert> I think both systems are gradually moving towards a good medium though
[03:35] <maxchee> ggilbert: metacity made sense, but natutilus is a bit too far
[03:35] <maxchee> the other thing is, it would be nice if kde and gnome could share more infrastructures.
[03:35] <maxchee> it's not productive to make two vfs systems, two drawing libraries etc.
[03:35] <maxchee> this is why I think freedesktop is so important
[03:36] <ggilbert> I dont think that will ever change, there are just too many core disagreements there
[03:36] <maxchee> ggilbert: but will qt ever adopt cairo as it drawing library
[03:36] <maxchee> ggilbert: after all, it's a freedesktop project
[03:37] <maxchee> ggilbert: although I do understand that it's difficult to work together
[03:37] <maxchee> ggilbert: when two projects have vastly different goals
[03:37] <ggilbert> remember, qt is outside of the scope of kde
[03:37] <maxchee> ggilbert: that's true
[03:37] <maxchee> ggilbert: although kde does have some say in it
[03:37] <maxchee> ggilbert: or am I wrong?
[03:38] <ggilbert> maxchee: I'm sure trolltech pays attention to the opinions of some KDE developers, but all decisions are made by Trolltech
[03:39] <ggilbert> you have some overlap because some trolltech employees are kde developers
[03:39] <maxchee> ggilbert: qt is a really nice toolkit, and trolltech have made a lot of compromises to make it more suitable for oss development
[03:39] <ggilbert> yeah they've really gone far beyond what could be expected of them
[03:39] <maxchee> hopefully the qtwin32 4.x licensing change will cause more oss projects to adopt qt
[03:40] <maxchee> ggilbert: but I guess most commercial companies are just too greedy
[03:40] <maxchee> I mean toolkits cost very little compared to the labour cost etc.
[03:46] <jsubl2> what is the name of the metapackage to install gcc
[05:13] <dimmak> well i got 1920x1200 resolution working, using gtf i generated the following modeline, but it is incorrect: Modeline "1200x1920_60.00"  196.47  1200 1296 1424 1648  1920 1921 1924 1987  -HSync +Vsync
[05:14] <dimmak> this is the one that works properly for me: ModeLine "1920x1200_60.00" 154.0  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +Hsync -Vsync
[05:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> KDE 1 BETTER than gnome 1?  hah
[05:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..gnome 1 was pretty ugly.  but uglier than kde?  i dunno..
[05:16] <dimmak> so apparently my dot clock frequency (pixel clock) gets improperly detected
[06:02] <phxguy> can someone help me out with configuring konquerer to use java
[06:03] <phxguy> I have installed Java according to the instructioons on ubuntuguide.org but when i go to the java test page at java.com all i get is a grey box that says loading applet
[06:07] <markc> phxguy> make sure about:plugins says something about java
[06:08] <phxguy> the only things showing on the plugin page is the plugin for flash and acrobat
[06:09] <markc> phxguy> make sure JAVA_HOME points to where java is installed
[06:11] <phxguy> markc: the path to java executable  is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[06:11] <phxguy> I have a symbolic linkk there.... according to the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[06:12] <Roey> hi
[06:13] <Roey> why aren't kubuntu debs prelinked?
[06:13] <kaplanfx> Roey: becuase your mom
[06:13] <kaplanfx> :)
[06:13] <Roey> ah
[06:14] <markc> phxguy> try settings -> plugins and make sure one of the paths there is the right one, and rescan maybe
[06:14] <Roey> again and again and again.
[06:14] <kaplanfx> Roey: you are using kubuntu now?
[06:14] <Roey> kaplanfx:  yes but I will give up linux and computers in general within a week
[06:14] <kaplanfx> haha
[06:14] <Roey> kaplanfx:  this is stupid, all these problems.
[06:14] <Roey> kaplanfx:  seroiusly!!!! listen:
[06:14] <Roey> kaplanfx:  - cannot make my own kernel with grub because grub needs an initrd.
[06:14] <Roey> kaplanfx:  - it's not enough to supply --initrd to make-kpkg,
[06:15] <Roey> kaplanfx:  because I will need to patch my custom kernel with the cramfs debian-specific patches for initrd
[06:15] <dimmak> is roey your real name?
[06:15] <Roey> kaplanfx:  those patches are available only for specific kernel versions
[06:15] <kaplanfx> Roey: no, you need to build initial ramdisk support in the kernel then build with --initrd to make an initrd kernel
[06:15] <Roey> kaplanfx:  so I said, screw grub, I'll use LILO
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  NO it is not enough
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  the kernel must be patched with the debian-cramfs patch
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  which only exists for specific debian kernels
[06:16] <kaplanfx> debian+initrd has always been problematic
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  so I can't use grub
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  then I thought to use lilo
[06:16] <kaplanfx> Roey: blame it on RMS
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  but lilo just gave me some bullshit complaint about not recoginizing the drive type
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  and then at that point I weent CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY
[06:16] <kaplanfx> it scsi?
[06:16] <Roey> dimmak:  yes
[06:16] <Roey> kaplanfx:  SATA
[06:17] <kaplanfx> kernel 2.6.11?
[06:17] <Roey> kaplanfx:  what in the *BLUE FUCK* is wrong with libata???? 
[06:17] <Roey> yes
[06:17] <Roey> 2.6.11.5
[06:17] <kaplanfx> .5?
[06:17] <phxguy> markc: okk i did that and now i get Error java executable not found
[06:18] <kaplanfx> whoa
[06:18] <dimmak> pronounced like joey?
[06:18] <kaplanfx> they are using the new numbering system alredy?
[06:18] <kaplanfx> already?
[06:19] <Roey> dimmak:  joey, accent on the second syllable
[06:20] <Roey> dimmak:  Dima Kaznachey??
[06:21] <Roey> BATFOYOMAT, LIBATA, YOU SUCK!!! take THAT linux!!!
[06:23] <kaplanfx> dimmak: its like Roeee
[06:23] <phxguy> I knew I hated java for a reasonn.....
[06:25] <Roey> phxguy:  YES YES YES
[06:26] <phxguy> whats wierd is it work fine in firefox..... but not in Konquerer
[07:34] <delphi> are there daily snapshot images available?
[07:35] <ian__> where are the best kubuntu screenshots?
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone here used reiser4 in ubuntu?
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: resier4 is bad
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> bad?
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was highly touted on articles i read.
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> real bad
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> it broke my machine
[07:56] <ggilbert> I wouldnt trust it as far as I can throw the cd it's on :p
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't even get it to work.
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i installed the reiser4 kernel patch.
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> still nothing.
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay..i guess i'll hold off using it for now.
[07:58] <ian__> reiser (3?) worked for me for years, but I switched to ext3 for the better laptop support
[07:58] <ggilbert> ian__: reeiserfs and reiser4 are very different beasts
[07:58] <ian__> is reiser4 new?  if so, it wasn't that. :)
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: even grub cant currently use reiser4
[07:59] <ggilbert> reiser4 looks really cool, but I wouldnt trust it until it gets quite a bit more testing
[07:59] <ian__> seeing the words "new" and "file system" anywhere near each other scares me :)
[08:00] <ggilbert> particularly around "hans reiser" :p
[08:00] <ggilbert> reiser3 was pretty dangerous when it was new
[08:00] <ian__> why, is he a nut?
[08:00] <ggilbert> gave it a really bad reputation
[08:00] <ggilbert> ian__: not bad
[08:00] <ian__> I chose it after reading some benchmarks
[08:01] <ian__> I'd stick with it, except the ext3 has the laptop-mode now
[08:01] <ggilbert> I used to use reiser3, it worked well
[08:01] <ggilbert> he does have some annoying ideas when it comes to licensing
[08:05] <ian__> like what?
[08:11] <ggilbert> ian__: He used to have a clause where you couldn't remove code from his tools that had to do with credits
[08:12] <ggilbert> ian__: then he added in code that would print out a list of anyone who had contributed money that would display when the tools tran
[08:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there anything wrong with this line? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        reiserfs  umask=0222    0       0
[08:14] <ggilbert> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm going to venture a guess and say reiserfs is incorrect
[08:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> uh..no, the partition is reiser
[08:14] <ggilbert> reiser4 is not reiser3
[08:15] <ggilbert> make sure reiserfs is correct for a reiser4 partition
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh, it was the umask.
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i changed the partition to reiserfs
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> for reiser4 it's "reiser4"
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just had to change the umask=0222, so i just put in "defaults" instead of figuring out what i typed wrong.
[08:16] <ggilbert> ah
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what umask should i use to get the same as chmod 1777 ?
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to make the partition so that everyone can store things in it.
[08:18] <ggilbert> 766?
[08:20] <ggilbert> wait
[08:21] <ggilbert> umasks work by setting every bit set to 1 in the mask to 0 in the final result
[08:21] <ggilbert> so if you want 1777 you probably want 0000
[08:21] <ggilbert> hmm that would allow suid
[08:21] <ggilbert> 6000 maybe
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> wouldn't chmod 744 be umask=7033?
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> or is the first bit of umask actually not a mask, but just like chmod?
[08:23] <ggilbert> I think so
[08:27] <BROKEN_LADDER>  warning: unknown mount option "umask=0222"
[08:27] <ian__> ggilbert: err, that is kinda nutty
[08:28] <ggilbert> ian__: the idea is to let you to force certain permissions off
[08:28] <ian__> ggilbert: no no, the last thing you said to me :)
[08:28] <ggilbert> ian__: ah
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER>  warning: unknown mount option "umask=004"
[08:28] <ggilbert> he may have changed his opinions recently and his software seems to be decent
[08:29] <ian__> and anyone who makes Free Software is ultimately alright in my book
[08:30] <ggilbert> yeah 
[08:31] <ggilbert> until I'm declared supreme dictator for life ( still working on this one) people don't have to conform to my particular views :)
[08:33] <ian__> any day now
[09:46] <amiroff> hello people, I've seen on many screenshots a kde utility similar to netstatus on gnome or windows (blinking monitors ). What is the name of it on KDE?
[10:04] <amu> probably knemo he's looking for 
[11:30] <lexNL> hiya guys
[11:31] <lexNL> anyone knows how to get a bootsplash going with kubuntu?
[11:55] <incubii> ah its lookin much better now
[12:39] <incubii> why is it after install the xserver is fine but as soon asi reboot the colors are all fucked up
[12:41] <incubii> strange 16bit works and 24bit doesnt work properly :|
[12:47] <ubuntu> would anyone know why a loop mounted iso image is ro (read-only) and how to change it to rw... (mount -o remount,rw dir does not work) ?
[12:47] <dimmak> you might want to run gtf passed with your max resolution and max refresh rate at that resolution to generate a modeline, ie "gtf 1600 1200 85" ... Then replace the hardcoded display values in your xorg.conf to that single modeline... I had to do this to get my 1900x1200 display working properly.
[12:47] <incubii> from my knowledge and attempts you cant mount an iso rw
[12:49] <incubii> ill give it a try dimmak 
[12:49] <dimmak> i'll link you to where i got the info
[12:49] <markc> it's an extracted cloop iso... this one is a knoppix image but I'm strying to solve a different problem with the kubuntu livecd image
[12:51] <markc> whenever I try to remaster the current kubuntu livecd image it gets larger in  size... so I was messing with a knoppix iso to see if it did the same thing, expect it's read-only even though it loop mounted
[12:51] <incubii> oh
[12:51] <incubii> because it uses a special defrag util
[12:52] <incubii> and symlinks multiple files
[12:52] <incubii> www.knoppix.net will have info as to why your ISOs will be larger then theirs
[12:52] <markc> ah! where is this special defrag util ?
[12:53] <markc> heh, I've spent hours trying to work this out ... would you know where on www.knoppix.net by any chance ?
[12:53] <incubii> lol
[12:54] <incubii> the customizing section ?
[12:54] <incubii> i havent looked into those problems for ages
[12:54] <markc> I don't really care about the knoppix iso ro problem.. I really want to solve the kubuntu getting larger problem
[12:54] <dimmak> damnit... i can't find the page by googleing... i am starting up my other computer that has the link in a log
[12:54] <dimmak> bah
[12:55] <dimmak> i suck
[12:55] <incubii> lol
[12:55] <dimmak> incubii: this is similar >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3277
[12:56] <dimmak> and you generate the modeline that appears in the xorg.conf as i stated earlier with gtf
[12:59] <incubii> alrite brb
[12:59] <incubii> hopefully ittl work
[01:00] <incubii> that was awesome
[01:00] <incubii> 24bit
[01:00] <incubii> :D
[01:00] <incubii> thanks for that
[01:00] <dimmak> good good
[01:00] <incubii> now if only i could work out why i can get sound in KDE and not XMMS
[01:00] <dimmak> i had to find that out to get my display going today... i am glad the knowledge is paying off
[01:01] <incubii> last time i had sound working in xmms and not kde
[01:01] <incubii> i cant win
[01:01] <incubii> lol
[01:02] <dimmak> well are you running multiple applications that would be trying to get access to the sound card... like kaffeine and xmms?
[01:02] <incubii> ah ffs now it works
[01:02] <incubii> i had to change it to ALSA about 40 times
[01:02] <incubii> now it works
[01:02] <incubii> :D
[01:03] <incubii> first linux distro to get sound working 100% on ppc for me
[01:03] <dimmak> so have you been using kubuntu long? i have only been running it like 2 days now
[01:03] <dimmak> i was so happy that it worked perfectly on my laptop
[01:03] <incubii> yeah its great, im a debian fan
[01:03] <incubii> and i dont like ubuntu
[01:03] <incubii> cause its gnome
[01:03] <incubii> someone mentioned kubuntu
[01:04] <incubii> so gave ti a try
[01:04] <dimmak> yeah... i am not a fan of gnome
[01:04] <incubii> it rocks specially after using Yellow Dog Linux
[01:04] <dimmak> i usually would do the install script for knoppix
[01:04] <markc> incubii> did sound work with YDL ?
[01:04] <incubii> partially
[01:04] <incubii> its was borked
[01:05] <dimmak> i played around with fedora core 3 for a while... but it just required way to much editing to get working right
[01:05] <incubii> ;)
[01:05] <markc> cool :)
[01:05] <dimmak> i like kubuntu as much as knoppix... knoppix for running from cd... and kubuntu for installing natively
[01:05] <dimmak> very cool
[01:05] <incubii> though Fabian has done an excellent job with it
[01:05] <incubii> mcuh better then i could
[01:05] <incubii> lol
[01:06] <incubii> yeah i use knoppix everywhere
[01:06] <incubii> and knoppix-std
[01:06] <markc> so I was almost the right man about my knoppix ro problem... close 
[01:06] <incubii> waiting for knoppix-std 0.2 to come out
[01:06] <incubii> lol
[01:07] <incubii> its probably an option you arent passing to the creation of the iso
[01:07] <incubii> hmm accelerated sound
[01:08] <incubii> thats an interesting problem
[01:08] <dimmak> accelerated... our pitch problems?
[01:08] <incubii> it speeds up
[01:08] <incubii> or maybe its pitch
[01:08] <incubii> it sounds faster
[01:09] <dimmak> duration the same?
[01:09] <dimmak> length of song
[01:09] <incubii> yea
[01:09] <dimmak> then it seems like pitch
[01:09] <dimmak> chipmunk style?
[01:09] <incubii> nah not that bad
[01:09] <incubii> its like its running 10% faster
[01:09] <incubii> thats how it sounds
[01:10] <incubii> only happens after it loops back to the start
[01:10] <dimmak> definitely weird
[01:10] <markc> incubii> the iso is the CeBIT 3.8, I use extract_compressed_fs on it, then mount -o loop the extracted file... chroot into it but it's RO !!!
[01:10] <dimmak> i am playing around with the amaroK player right now... i like it so far
[01:11] <incubii> i honestly have no idea how to mount an iso rw
[01:11] <incubii> u might need something a lil more powerful then mount
[01:11] <incubii> like ultraiso for windows only the linux version
[01:12] <incubii> if there is such a program for linux
[01:12] <dimmak> playing around with a live-cd you can save to?
[01:12] <markc> incubii> np, but it's not the iso itself... it's the extracted file I am loop mounting... the kubuntu livecd iso works fine, as evry other livecd iso I've tried to remaster
[01:12] <markc> wierd
[01:12] <incubii> hmm
[01:12] <incubii> that is weird
[01:12] <markc> a klaus trick to prevent the cdbit image from being altered, I suspect
[01:12] <markc> cebit
[01:13] <incubii> well if he can turn it on, you can turn it off
[01:13] <markc> it does complain about no /etc/fstab inside the chroot, but, being ro I can't add one
[01:14] <markc> yes, I would like to think so :)
[01:14] <dimmak> incubii: you can also completely remove the subsection display modes from your xorg.conf... i did... i like not having unnecessary lines... be sure to backup your current working wrong... cuz i am sure that might not work on certain configs
[01:15] <dimmak> alright... well i am gonna shower and sleep... adios
[01:16] <incubii> cya
[01:17] <membreya> would anyone know why Control Center would be crashing my PC?
[01:18] <incubii> has it always done this from the get go?
[01:19] <membreya> incubii: yup, but in gnome ..my system will "occasionally" lock up when I'm using a web browser..everything but the mouse locks up (i can still use it but the buttons dont work)
[01:20] <membreya> only thing that's changed is that I've changed to reiserfs
[01:20] <incubii> all i can think of is something is broken
[01:21] <incubii> which is obvious
[01:21] <incubii> lol
[01:24] <incubii> Linux anubis 2.6.10-5-powerpc #1 Tue Mar 15 15:25:47 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[01:26] <membreya> hmmm ok
[01:26] <membreya> it appears that the nvidia driver
[01:26] <membreya> is killing my pc
[01:26] <incubii> maybe you should update the driver?
[01:26] <membreya> incubii: running 2.6.11-1
[01:27] <membreya> running 2179 from the nvidia website
[01:27] <incubii> damn they move fast
[01:27] <incubii> last time i used them was like 1049
[01:27] <incubii> lol
[01:27] <incubii> on my tnt2
[01:27] <incubii> :D
[01:28] <membreya> :P
[01:28] <incubii> hehe
[01:29] <incubii> i have a radeon 9000 in this g4
[01:29] <incubii> better then my gaming PC
[01:30] <membreya> my pc is an amd64 3200+, 120gb (soon to be a 2nd hdd as 200gb) both sata..and a geforce 4000 :|
[01:30] <membreya> damnit...kde doesn't support my multimedia keys :|
[01:30] <incubii> what a bitch
[01:32] <incubii> does kubuntu have mac-on-linux available to it
[01:35] <incubii> damn 45mb for 2.6.10-5
[01:36] <incubii> my poor lil 28.8kb dialup will get fried
[01:36] <incubii> :D
[01:36] <membreya> lol :P
[01:36] <membreya> I was thinking ...45mb..dat's nothing
[01:36] <membreya> is there ANY way to make kde not so .... "big"
[01:37] <membreya> im running 1152x864 and everything's cluttered
[01:37] <incubii> big as in icons?
[01:37] <incubii> prolly in control center
[01:37] <membreya> as in programs
[01:38] <markc> incubii> you know, you were right, that extracted knoppix iso image is a iso9660 filesystem whereas an extracted kubuntu is ext2
[01:39] <incubii> well there you go
[01:39] <incubii> lol
[01:40] <incubii> im not sure what you are asking membreya 
[01:41] <membreya> incubii: ...nevermind, it's "fonts" :) just playing now :)
[01:41] <incubii> ah
[01:43] <membreya> god...that's so much better :D
[01:43] <incubii> yeah its much nicer with smaller fonts
[01:43] <incubii> then turn on antialiasing
[01:43] <incubii> yum yum
[01:44] <membreya> done that, not sure how well AA will work with "nv" as my vid driver :P
[01:44] <incubii> no idea
[01:44] <incubii> brb
[01:45] <markc> membreya> what size is your main font now ?
[01:45] <membreya> 10 :)
[01:45] <membreya> much nicer :)
[01:45] <incubii> size 10 font with AA looks damn nice
[01:45] <incubii> woot
[01:46] <markc> I usually am always putting mine up to 13 or 14, even 18 in konq
[01:46] <membreya> thats a bit .....insane :)
[01:46] <membreya> unless you're running like 1600x1200 :P
[01:46] <markc> jst 1280x1024... but the monitor is always 1.5 mtr away
[01:47] <incubii> im on 1280x1024
[01:47] <membreya> lol :P
[01:47] <incubii> monitor i less then a foot away
[01:47] <markc> I'm trying to remaster kubuntu so I can set the defaults... but, obviously that might not always suit.. as in your case
[01:48] <incubii> heh
[01:48] <incubii> i do as i please
[01:50] <incubii> :O
[01:50] <incubii> thats still in kubuntu ?
[01:51] <membreya> incubii: I installed ubuntu ...2 days ago I just did a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[01:51] <membreya> now I have a whole lotta gnome crap :)
[01:51] <membreya> ooo I like transparent konsole :)
[01:51] <incubii> oh
[01:52] <incubii> yeah that will do that
[01:52] <membreya> damn lying konsole!
[01:52] <membreya> it said "transparent" it's a liar
[01:52] <membreya> it
[01:52] <membreya> it's only transparent to the desktop not to apps :|
[01:53] <incubii> yep
[01:53] <incubii> kinda like most
[01:53] <incubii> it fakes transparency
[01:53] <incubii> instead of alpha transparency
[02:37] <membreya> I installed my computer with ubuntu and then upgraded to kubuntu..is there an easy way to remove all references to gnome? or do I need to go through kynaptic and find anything installed with a reference to gnome ?
[02:40] <psn> membreya: well if you choose to uninstall one of the gnome libs I'm sure the rest will follow
[02:43] <membreya> it's asking me to remove kubuntu-desktop ..but that's only a metapackage :)
[02:43] <membreya> 280mb freed :)
[02:47] <membreya> god, even the kopete page has been hit by the EU :|
[02:47] <Riddell> membreya: how so?
[02:48] <membreya> http://kopete.kde.org/
[02:48] <membreya> same as amsn
[02:49] <Riddell> gosh
[02:49] <membreya> yup
[02:51] <marcusT> Riddell: hi, I was having a nice talk with Waldo Bastian via bugs.kde.org about my kded issue... and I still have no solution, though it might have something to do with gamin
[02:53] <Riddell> marcusT: what's the issue
[02:53] <marcusT> restarting kbuildsycoca... kdebug #102183
[02:55] <Riddell> marcusT: how do you know that kbuildsycoca is running all the time?
[02:56] <marcusT> Riddell: it's not running all the time, it's beeing constantly restarted... I can see that in my top output, it actually needs a lot of CPU cycles which make my notebook fan louder
[02:58] <Riddell> marcusT: any idea which file is being detected as changed?
[02:58] <Riddell> I'm not seeing the problem
[02:58] <membreya> hmmm my volume icon is gone :|
[02:58] <marcusT> nope... there should be no special things in my filesystem.... isn't there a way to find out what is reported as changed?
[02:59] <jiyuu0> any idea when's the next test release of kubuntu?
[02:59] <Riddell> marcusT: dunno, maybe ask Waldo
[02:59] <membreya> back now :)
[02:59] <Riddell> jiyuu0: final thing April 6th
[02:59] <marcusT> ja, well hope he's still on it somehow
[02:59] <Riddell> marcusT: be quick, waldo is leaving KDE soon!
[02:59] <marcusT> Riddell: ???
[03:00] <Riddell> another week or something
[03:01] <marcusT> where is he going?
[03:02] <Riddell> intel
[03:03] <marcusT> and then he won't work on KDE anymore? isn't he with Novell?
[03:03] <membreya> does kubuntu not save folder options (konqueror) ?
[03:03] <Riddell> marcusT: his day to day involvement will reduce a lot because he won't be paid to work on it full time
[03:04] <Riddell> membreya: which options?
[03:04] <marcusT> well, that's bad... didn't know that...he's been one of the KDE names ever since I've been using it. 
[03:04] <membreya> ie, I have 973 music videos .. I want it to always display that folder as a list
[03:04] <membreya> any other folder is fine as an icon
[03:22] <kensai> Thanks to kubuntu now I don't hate kde like I used to do
[03:23] <kensai> kde 3.4 is the first version I like
[03:23] <membreya> ooo new games to play :D
[03:23] <membreya> how do you autostart programs though ? :|
[03:24] <Riddell> membreya: put them in ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:24] <Riddell> actually put a .desktop file there
[03:25] <membreya> I just have a script that I need to run at startup :| for my mouse
[03:26] <membreya> hrm
[03:27] <marcusT> membreya: when it's just something like that, try to put it in the .xsession file in your home
[03:30] <membreya> i don't have an .xsession file :|
[03:35] <marcusT> membreya: you can create one... it should be sourced (i.e. run) when you login to your system
[04:27] <benjanet> i cant find beagle on hory universe repository. Anyone else ?
[04:39] <ggilbert_> benjanet: probably not in hoary yet
[04:41] <benjanet> ggilbert_, thanks
[06:36] <omni_lonnie> Anyone here tried using "Scripts" in amaroK?
[06:37] <omni_lonnie> it complains about needing PyQt, but that doesn't seem to be available... :(
[06:40] <Riddell> omni_lonnie: yes, we're looking into that at the moment
[06:42] <omni_lonnie> would using one of the debian packages work as a stop-gap solution?
[06:46] <Riddell> omni_lonnie: probably python2.4-qt3 in universe
[06:48] <omni_lonnie> thanks! I'll give that a try.
[07:25] <Slike> hello, i'd like to test kubuntu....i already heave ubuntu, but apt doesn't find "kubuntu-desktop"....
[07:26] <apokryphos> Slike: are you in hoary?
[07:26] <Slike> warty...
[07:26] <Slike> upgrading first?
[07:26] <haggai> Slike: change warty to hoary and then apt-get update
[07:26] <apokryphos> Yup. Please see: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[07:27] <Slike> thx
[07:28] <wickie> any chance of getting an mDNS package?
[07:52] <Imsdlea> HELP... I want to install kubuntu from ubunt but I get E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <wickie> Imsdlea: you need to upgrade to hoary first.
[07:53] <Imsdlea> oh... how do i do that
[07:54] <wickie> see: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[07:55] <Imsdlea> fanks
[08:03] <Imsdlea> arrrgg i cna't seem to edit source.list
[08:05] <Biafra> Umm.... question... does KUbuntu come with gnome as well as kde?
[08:05] <Riddell> Biafra: no but you can install gnome easily enough
[08:06] <Biafra> is there a way I can do it without an internet connection?
[08:06] <Riddell> Biafra: not easily
[08:07] <Biafra> would it be possible using the regular Ubuntu installation disc?
[08:07] <Biafra> to install gnome?
[08:07] <wickie> Imsdlea: you didn't forget to sudo in order to edit sources.list?
[08:08] <omni_lonnie> gnome is installed by default with "regular" unbuntu
[08:08] <wickie> Riddell: Do you know if a mDNS package is planned?
[08:08] <Imsdlea> this my my first week with linux... so I apprechate your help
[08:09] <Imsdlea> im in terminal in sudo
[08:09] <Biafra> i mean would it be possible using an Ubuntu install disc to install gnome onto and already existing KUbuntu system
[08:09] <Imsdlea> how do i edit from terminal
[08:09] <Riddell> wickie: if we have time
[08:09] <wickie> Riddell: I read that it's not DSFG free, so that might be a problem.
[08:09] <Burgundavia> devs here?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> are you guys using kdesu by default, ala gksudo?
[08:10] <wickie> Imsdlea: If you're new to linux, it's easiest to use kwrite.
[08:10] <Riddell> Burgundavia: yes, it's sudo
[08:10] <Burgundavia> Riddell: I am rebuilding qtparted, and I wonder if it is safe to remove th gksu and sux build deps
[08:10] <wickie> Imsdlea: So, "sudo kwrite /etc/sources.list"
[08:11] <Burgundavia> qtparted will also now use kdesu instead of gksudo
[08:12] <wickie> Does kdesu sudo as well now?
[08:12] <wickie> grmbl
[08:12] <Riddell> Burgundavia: should be as long as you add kdesu
[08:12] <Riddell> wickie: yes
[08:12] <apokryphos> wickie: Yup.
[08:12] <Biafra> (soneone who knows the answer): would it be possible using an Ubuntu install disc to install gnome onto and already existing KUbuntu system?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> Riddell: kdesu is part of kdebase-bin, no?
[08:13] <apokryphos> kdelibs, I believe.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:13] <wickie> kdebase-bin
[08:14] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:14] <Biafra> Riddell: would it be possible using an Ubuntu install disc to install gnome onto and already existing KUbuntu system?
[08:14] <apokryphos> Erm, it comes with kdelibs.
[08:14] <Riddell> Burgundavia: sounds about right
[08:14] <Riddell> Biafra: could well be
[08:14] <Burgundavia> Riddell: ok I will build and test on my machine
[08:14] <Burgundavia> Riddell: should hit universe tomorrow or the next day
[08:15] <Biafra> Riddell: Ok, will try when I get home (getting set to DL the Ubuntu ISO)
[08:15] <Biafra> Riddell: If it helps I'm using hoary-preview
[08:28] <allee> Biafra: I would say yes.  Add ubuntu cdrom to sources.list
[08:33] <Biafra> Riddell: Alrightie then *kicks back and allows his download manager to do most of the work*
[08:47] <gsuveg> re
[08:56] <ztonzy> hmm
[08:56] <ztonzy> anyone more than me that have problem with /dev/video0 ?
[08:56] <ztonzy> how can it be created =
[08:56] <ztonzy> ?
[08:58] <AMIGrAve> does some uses krusader ? when i go in the configuration window and click on the first option : "Save settings on exit" krusader crashes
[08:58] <basse> i hope it atleast saves the settings :)
[08:59] <AMIGrAve> ;-) nope
[08:59] <AMIGrAve> they should call that "Exit on save settings" ;-)
[09:00] <basse> or save settings on crash
[09:00] <AMIGrAve> do you have the sameproblem ?
[09:00] <basse> let's see I think I have the program still installed
[09:04] <basse> AMIGrAve: works here
[09:04] <basse> krusader 1.51, on kde 3.3.2
[09:04] <AMIGrAve> anyway I bet you won't have the problem, I have really strange things happening. I would be under windows i'll say my computer is infected. Just today my Authostastart shortcuts have disappeared
[09:05] <AMIGrAve> basse: you're on warty ?
[09:06] <AMIGrAve> me 1.51 on 3.4.0 (hoary)
[09:06] <basse> AMIGrAve: i'm actually on debian :)
[09:07] <basse> AMIGrAve: have you tried to remove krusader config files?
[09:20] <AMIGrAve> basse: yes of course
[09:21] <AMIGrAve> basse: got a debian amd-64 sid on another partition and I don't have the problem
[09:26] <Biafra> Riddel: Is it possible to use any packages for Debian on Ubuntu?
[09:30] <phxguy> I have downloaded a gtk theme... Can someone tell me where it goes???
[09:31] <gsuveg> anyone use a vnc server on hoary ?
[09:32] <Biafra> Is it possible to use any packages for Debian on Ubuntu?
[09:36] <Roey> hi
[09:36] <Roey> how do I get evms off a partition?
[09:37] <Roey> I can copy data off  the partition and remake it... I just want to know how to not have evms on it
[09:37] <Biafra> will there be pressed CDs of KUbuntu coming out with the final version of hoary?
[09:38] <phxguy> biafra i read that there would be sometime in mid/late april
[09:52] <Slike> i just installed kubuntu, but i'm having 1 little problem with it so far...
[09:52] <Slike> i have to go online by wlan
[09:53] <Slike> kubuntu sees the network, but i get no ip
[09:53] <Biafra> oh,l before I forget.... what packages would I haveta install to have gnome on KUbuntu
[09:53] <Slike> tried dhclient eth1, but it chooses the wrong netmask....
[09:53] <Slike> anu idea's how to get online efficiently?
[09:53] <chavo> Biafra, ubuntu-desktop will get you the whole thing
[09:53] <phxguy> can someone tell me how to format a usb stick
[09:54] <Biafra> ok thanks
[10:04] <basse> ztonzy: worked?
[10:12] <dimmak> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[10:12] <dimmak> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]   .... they are not here... where else could they be?
[10:13] <dimmak> kynaptic shows that linux-kernel-headers are installed
[10:13] <dimmak> are/is
[10:13] <Roey> dimmak:  hi, whydja ask yesterday for my name? just curious?
[10:14] <Roey> dimmak:  are you Dima K..y ?
[10:14] <dimmak> just never heard the name before... seemed worth asking
[10:15] <dimmak> my sn has nothing to do with my real name
[10:15] <Roey> oh, ok
[10:15] <Roey> :)
[10:15] <Roey> yeah my name is Roey
[10:15] <Roey> nice to meet you
[10:16] <dimmak> ditto
[10:18] <phxguy> I have downloaded a gtk theme... Can someone tell me where it goes???
[10:18] <chavo> phxguy, ~/.themes
[10:19] <phxguy> chavo: i dont have a .themes folder ....
[10:19] <chavo> phxguy, mkdir ~/.themes
[10:19] <phxguy> does it need to be hidden???
[10:22] <phxguy> chavo: I made the folder and copied the file there but where do I select it? I looked in the theme manger and stuff and I dont see it
[10:23] <chavo> phxguy, open theme manager, then hit Theme Details
[10:23] <chavo> Then click on the Controls tab, those are gtk themes
[10:23] <phxguy> chavo: Im using KDE not Gnome
[10:24] <chavo> phxguy, <phxguy> I have downloaded a gtk theme... Can someone tell me where it goes???
[10:24] <phxguy> chavo: yeah... so.... you can't use gtk themes in KDE???
[10:25] <chavo> sure if you use gtk apps???
[10:26] <Roey> ;)
[10:27] <chavo> phxguy, I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish.
[10:27] <chavo> KDE uses qt for drawing, gnome uses gtk.
[10:27] <chavo> you can use gtk apps under KDE though
[10:27] <phxguy> oh okay that explains it.... thanks
[10:32] <Roey> phxguy:  there is however a bridge layer
[10:33] <phxguy> If I download a kde3.2+ theme/style where would that go???? -browsing kde-look
[10:38] <apokryphos> phxguy: wherever you downloaded it to... to install it, you should specify the prefix. Not sure if it will necessarily work; might.
[10:38] <phxguy> ok i found one im gonna try its baghira for debian... think its a deb package....
[10:39] <phxguy> the instructions on there say to do apt-get install kwin-style-baghira
[10:40] <phxguy> will it put the files where it needs to be automatically?
[10:46] <Slike> i still don't get an ip using my centrino wlan card...although it sees my network :-(
[10:46] <Slike> any suggestions?
[10:47] <phxguy> are you using wep??
[10:47] <Slike> yes
[10:47] <Slike> 64-bit open key
[10:47] <phxguy> did you type in the wep key
[10:47] <Slike> essid, wep, interface,...
[10:47] <Slike> kwifimanager monitors the signal
[10:48] <phxguy> does your router have mac address filtering on??
[10:48] <phxguy> hmmm i have tried my wifi.... I suppose i should
[10:49] <Slike> yes, mac address filtering is turned on...but it should know my wlan card
[10:49] <phxguy> hmm dont know think ill try my wifi
[10:50] <Slike> if i do: dhclient eth1.... it tries to connect, but it shows a wrong netmask address (255.255.255.255 instead of 255.255.255.0)
[10:50] <Slike> is there a way to change that
[10:54] <wickie> Slike: shouldn't it get the netmask from the DHCP server?
[10:55] <Slike> the problem seems to be, that theres no dhcp request from my pc
[10:55] <phxguy> for some reason it isn't seeing my wi-fi usb adapter
[10:55] <Slike> and when i do it manualy, it does the same as when I used Fedora Core 2....
[10:56] <Slike> there it was solved (the right subnetmask) with some file ifcfg-eth1
[10:56] <wickie> Slike: perhaps you can change some settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:57] <Slike> i've been looking there
[10:57] <Slike> but what should i add?
[11:00] <wickie> Slike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/view?searchterm=dhcp%20netmask
[11:00] <wickie> Slike: maybe there's some useful info
[11:00] <Slike> thx, i'll have a look
[11:00] <Slike> (never had any wlan troubles with ubuntu warty)
[11:08] <allee> Slike: yeah, network is fun.  No ifplugd and eth0 is wifi.   took me some time to realize it (bangs head at the wall)
[11:16] <Slike> thx for all help...but i have to go now
[11:16] <phxguy> how can i get my usb adapter to work? do i have to download some libraries or something?