[12:03] I just have had to become a member to have my address whitelisted :) [12:03] sorry, I misunderstood the email, didn't realise it was only for whitelisting [12:04] two koke* talking at me makes me dizzy :-) [12:04] xD, I've booted today into SMP [12:04] koke_: uploaded [12:05] It's my cheap xinerama imitation === ajmitch__ wonders how long the CC meeting has to go :) [12:07] one topic left [12:07] ogra, how is it going? tough or not so [12:07] ? [12:07] ah, two [12:08] kiko, fine, thanks.. [12:08] :) [12:10] kiko, at least here.... real life is a bit of a mess currently :) [12:11] heh [12:11] ogra, how's the community council hanging? [12:11] koke_: hoary-changes looks goooood [12:12] dholbach: kmail is even showing my face in the upload :_) [12:12] kiko, ah, talking about the new website and simultaneously about the italian loco team *g* [12:12] the new website AGAIN [12:12] :) [12:12] kiko, abelli has left...(you met him in mataro i guess) [12:13] indeed I did, first day wasn't it? [12:13] yeah, again...just a short summary from hno73 [12:13] ogra: do you know who chosed the "loco" term?? [12:13] yep [12:13] koke, CC [12:13] local community [12:14] ogra: I know, but in Spanish "loco" == "crazy", "mad" [12:14] :D [12:14] koke, that as the intention ;) [12:14] koke what other people stay up this late ;) [12:14] was even [12:15] late? it's getting close to lunchtime here :) === koke_ thread_join() [12:15] 00:15 here [12:16] I usually go to sleep at 02:00~03:00 [12:16] same here [12:16] but I don't have to work tomorrow [12:16] 00:15 i mean....i never sleep ;) === ajmitch__ starts work at 8am [12:17] how noisy is my workstation :( [12:17] I can't remember how I could sleep with it running [12:17] it was my server for about a year, online 24hrs [12:18] and now I can't stand more than an hour with the noise === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port162-45.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] oops [12:26] heh, you dropped a dash [12:26] yeah [12:26] 2 was just too ostentatious [12:26] yeah... === ajmitch_ wonders if Phython will manage to run the fast-track for MOTU in time :) [12:30] 2nd try: hmmm, now which's the next step? [12:30] after the cash :) === dholbach checks his bank account and winks furtively in Phython's direction [12:32] koke got key signed? [12:33] woka woka [12:33] gotta be approved at TB meeting too for MOTU [12:33] jani: signed by a DD [12:33] cool [12:33] then TB meeting only [12:33] currently we're still on fast-track which doesn't require the TB meeting, iirc [12:33] but it can still be done that way [12:35] ok so MOTU's approve, since today he was only made member? [12:36] btw I am all for koke = MOTU :) [12:38] guys lets take over the channel [12:41] are we into motu meeting now? [12:41] i had to take out my friends dog [12:41] he is going apeshit [12:42] going apeshit? [12:42] crazy, nuts [12:42] jumping all over the place :/ === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:koke] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | get Python rocking again: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePythonTransitionTODO | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackagingProgress | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages | malone test Mar. 22 14:00 UTC in this channel | MOTUs at meeting: #ubuntu-meeting [12:43] hm i missed malone? === kiko_zzz slaps tseng around with a large sleeping trout [12:43] um? [12:44] don't forget malone ;) [12:44] id prefer to not be beaten with fish, please. [12:44] sleeping fish, even worse [12:45] urgh === dredg stops working for the day [12:49] *tear* [12:49] have you guys looked at any of that apt-get.org stuff? [12:50] some of it is real junk, I've heard :) [12:51] yeah some guy is packaging tomboy [12:51] and his diff.gz is full of autotools junk for no reason [12:51] among other things [12:52] hm i guess i need one of you to upload my f-spot [12:53] ondrej@debian hasnt responded re that [12:53] "the world" scares the crap out of me [12:53] heck, _my_ warty backports are getting rm -rf'ed as soon as hoary releases === tseng too [12:53] actually, they are already broken by accident [12:53] 500, somehow [01:04] sabdfl: would you like to attend #ubuntu-meeting [01:07] mayhaps he is sleeping? [01:08] tseng: idle for only 3mins [01:12] crimsun are you ok with us sorting out which packs are needed from os-works then asking elmo to sync them? [01:13] jani: i'm not sure if he "syncs" from there [01:13] dholbach, as part of his syncing world [01:13] ah ok [01:13] hm [01:13] he said he's open to suggestions [01:13] well [01:13] well not sync right :) [01:14] jani: let's shoot for later this evening [01:15] haha... evening :-) [01:15] it's 2 AM here :) [01:15] jani: ok, I'll be busy all tomorrow (EST -0500) [01:15] but yes this evening in NZ I'll be at work in the mornig so we can talk [01:16] then I'll send you a mail with what I conclude tomorrow night [01:16] ok, so in 8 hours? [01:17] ok [01:18] ok, ping me then. :) Have a good night. [01:18] ok, have good day :) [01:20] good night jani :-) [01:20] dholbach you too :) [01:20] i will :-) [01:20] I am still standing till the meeting ends though [01:21] mako is doing smt bout my account now so I'll wait === ajmitch_ managed to miss most of the meeting === dredg managed to miss all of it by working and then eating [01:45] i work too much [01:46] and no, the same can't be said for eating [01:47] tseng: if you have a few minutes, britt_radiofree in #ubuntu has mono questions [01:47] he is in #mono also [01:47] k [01:47] ogra, will you let me know when you have word on the NewPackages please? [01:47] tritium, sure === ajmitch_ is busy at work still [01:47] thanks [01:49] well, the translation stuff actually came to me with system-tools-backend [01:49] since some added patches introduced two new strings that appeared untranslated in the GUI [01:50] my first reaction was another dpatch with the translation, but it's really dirty [01:50] anyone knows how is managed the debconf templates translation?? [01:53] bad time for discussion, heh :) [01:55] koke, sorry, to tired .... [01:55] ogra: me too [01:56] koke, then lets do it tomorrow [01:56] perfect :) [02:09] i have a bit of a question for all of you [02:09] k [02:09] should we persue packaging mono 1.1.4 for breezy regardless of debian (in)action [02:09] yes. [02:09] and fix up all fall out, rebuild etc [02:10] i imagine we can cause a conflict nightmare this way [02:10] although it's best if we coordinate w/ debian-mono, of course [02:10] yes [02:10] i work with the muine maintainer [02:10] tseng: Can the Debian mono folks be convinced to team up with you the way the Debian Java folks and Ubuntu Java folks are working together now? [02:10] and I *am* the tomboy / f-spot maintainer [02:10] as for meebey, the core guy [02:10] im not sure how well he will receive it [02:11] he and zomb, mainly [02:11] i never see zomb [02:14] well, it's best if we coordinate with debian-mono, of course, but we aren't tied to them [02:14] I try to keep my changes small and in dpatches so the Debian maintainer can drop what he wishes [02:15] ill just do it and see what he does about it [02:15] and count on you kids for support [02:16] sure thing [02:16] I'm in there, too === Gervystar [~gervystar@217.201.12.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ returns to uni [02:43] tseng: yes, I think packaging mono for breezy will be a good idea [02:43] since you don't know when meebey will get 1.1.x done [02:50] good night everyone [02:50] night dholbach [02:50] night daniel [02:50] night daniel [02:50] night andrew [02:51] tomorrow we'll start some serious priorizing action [03:03] good night all [03:04] night === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [03:04] bye. [03:11] tseng: oh, i like your nasty muine-shell hacks :) [03:11] heh [03:11] thanks [03:12] kind of. the html output is nasty. [03:12] but you knew that :) [03:15] MOTUs, good news :) [03:15] http://amedias.org/img/menus_default_icon_patch.png [03:15] too tired to blog'it :D [03:16] Amaranth said it will be another 2 days [03:17] HostingGeek: No one cares. [03:17] YES THEY DO! [03:17] everyone does! [03:17] its a MENU EDITOR!!!!!!! [03:17] what did I say about caps [03:17] calm down, please [03:17] consider this your second warning [03:18] and thats being very generous. [03:18] HostingGeek: it's to late to shout here... [03:18] holy crap it's after 2 [03:19] i was up till 4:30am [03:20] yeah, stupidly, i do that every night. as a result i'm always very tired. [03:21] i reckon i'm about 2 days away from collapsing [03:24] http://amedias.org/~koke/patches/gnome-panel_add-icon-to-items-without-one_0.diff [03:24] tomorrow I'll try it more === koke getting really asleep [03:25] dredg: i was up 2.5 days and fell to sleep in the midle of the road [03:25] Thank G-d my techer was with me [03:25] And he got me off the road [03:26] your family must be proud. === mkedwards [~mkedwards@adsl-64-175-14-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has left #ubuntu-motu ["If] === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janc [~janc@dD576265C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik [~carthik@r1.adminz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] at last, wxvlc is fixed. Now to fix wxwidgets2.5 so it builds on ppc! [07:02] ah dang, still gotta fix the correct .desktop :/ [07:13] crimsun: yay! i downloaded 2 updates to day to it [07:13] crimsun: whats the fixed version? [07:14] HostingGeek: nothing for non 64-bit [07:14] HostingGeek: although you'll probably notice the switch to gtk2 [07:14] crimsun: cool [07:15] crimsun: with vlc?? [07:17] HostingGeek: no, wxvlc [07:17] HostingGeek: I highly recommend you use the wxvlc package if you use vlc :) [07:17] crimsun: wxvlc uses GTK? [07:17] doesn't it use wxwidgets? [07:18] like how it depends on it [07:18] HostingGeek: wxwidgets2.5 uses gtk2; wxwindows2.4 uses gtk1 [07:18] c00l [07:18] since we're pursuing a consistent ui, may as well go with gtk2 [07:18] crimsun: can we get the totem mozilla plugin [07:19] in universe [07:19] so we can uninstall vlc [07:19] not my decision, sorry [07:19] it should be beta by now [07:20] if not before april hopefully === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000bdbb5820d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] crimsun: ahh but the plugin hasn't changed at all [07:30] i only used the plugin [07:31] HostingGeek: I only use the player :) [07:31] crimsun: but RB rules!!! [07:33] RB? [07:33] Rhythmbox? [07:34] yes === dholbach [~daniel@td9091cd6.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] good morning [08:00] g'morning [08:00] hey daniel === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BuffaloSoldier [~user@218.111.208.82] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] hello everyone [08:25] hey BuffaloSoldier [08:26] :) [08:26] just another Ubuntu user... just observing what are you guys doing :) [08:27] it's fairly quiet during these hours, since many people are still asleep === csj [~ubunewbie@218-164-187-81.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] hello, where can I about about liveCD cusdomize? [08:28] s/about/ask [08:28] BuffaloSoldier: most of the work is working oneself through wiki/PbuilderHowto and starting rebuild broken packages, adjust build-depends and learn on-the-job [08:28] #ubuntu-devel - none of us guys works on the live cd [08:30] thanks [08:30] de rien [08:42] is "de rien" = you're welcome? [08:43] yes :-) [08:43] "you're welcome / not to worry" in french [08:44] oo french? i assume it was german :) [08:46] in german you'd say "keine Ursache / gern geschehen", but that's harder to understand :-) [08:46] de nada :) [08:46] hey Treenaks [08:46] hey dholbach [08:47] and harder to type too :) [08:47] Treenaks: we had motu meeting last night: universe will be closed by april, 6th as well [08:47] dholbach: OK [08:47] so i'll have to prepare a priority list [08:48] based on debian's popcon [08:48] which gives me all sorts of headaches [08:48] dholbach: sorry to have missed it, but my date was more important :) [08:49] (and she was first :P) [08:49] no worry [08:50] i just hope we'll have universe less crack-addled in 2 weeks === dholbach sheds some tears silently [08:51] dholbach: is it so crackful now then? [08:51] have a look at wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild and wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps [08:51] first of both isnt even complete [08:52] the test-rebuild will be finished in 3-4 days [08:52] urgh === d3vic3 sigh * [08:52] now if the wiki worked again, i'd double the doesntbuild-list [08:52] guys, got to go.. take care [08:52] have a nice day, BuffaloSoldier [08:52] dholbach: some seem to be python2.3/4 issues [08:52] you too [08:53] (yehia) [08:53] yehia is a PITA, ask d3vic3 :-) [08:53] i gave up on it [08:53] dholbach: and some are not even universe! (l-r-m) [08:53] some are just x.org-dependencies to add [08:53] i won't object, kill them from the list [08:54] just go ahead and make it happen! :-) === Treenaks hates the login crap [08:54] on the wiki [08:54] elmo works on the wiki [08:54] ah [08:54] that's why I can't log in then? [08:54] yes [08:55] ah === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@82.161.239.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] WTF is up with the wiki? [10:00] it was being repaired [10:00] Treenaks: i also can't login [10:01] then turn it offline [10:08] yeah, i was just trying to add my editor to the MOTUNewPackages page to see if it could get in :) [10:09] or am i not supposed to do that? [10:12] Amaranth: blame elmo for messing with the login [10:12] HostingGeek: I blame no one. [10:12] It's not a big deal. [10:13] let's just blame canada [10:13] yea just get 3 people here to review it [10:14] HostingGeek: what? all of Canada? [10:14] o.0 [10:16] HostingGeek: I'll just wait for the wiki to work again and do it right. Why should I get special treatment? [10:16] Amaranth: Becasue its a MENU EDITOR!!!! === Amaranth rolls his eyes [10:17] Treenaks: hey! [10:18] Burgundavia: hm? whay? [10:18] what? [10:18] let's just blame canada [10:18] and seven hours later i'm seeing 'menu editor' in caps all over again [10:19] why? what the hell is going on? [10:19] dredg: HostingGeek is going on [10:19] lol [10:19] dredg: My fault. [10:19] menu editing is apparently something that is held holy by all who use ubuntu [10:20] Yes! [10:20] and we have sinned by taking that away [10:20] editing of what menus? [10:20] Noooo! [10:20] applications? [10:20] Bring it back!!!!! [10:20] the file menu in abiword? [10:20] system menu in my panel? === Treenaks expects HostingGeek to break out in jeffk-like speech any moment [10:20] jeffk?! [10:20] Treenaks: been expecting that for some time now. [10:21] HostingGeek: http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk [10:21] apparently lack of menu editing also causes you to abuse your keyboard by using lots of !!?!?!@?!1?!1 [10:21] what does this menu editor do? what menus does it allow you edit? [10:21] Burgundavia: !!!!!!1111oneoneone [10:21] dredg: the gnome menus [10:22] dredg: the ones that no longer have a gui tool as of 2.10 [10:22] Amaranth: I belive the HIG says says change should take place automaticly [10:22] Amaranth: so you need to remove the save button [10:22] oh. i haven't edited those menus in jebus knows how many years [10:22] HostingGeek: If it says that this is one time where I'm going to tell it to sod off. [10:22] if it doesn't show up on my menu, I file a bug or fix it myself in the package [10:23] sorry, gnome plays the "the menus should be sane by default" game. [10:23] much more useful than a menu editor [10:23] if a package doesn't show up, file a bug. [10:23] Amaranth: but its for prefences [10:23] r, s/package/app/ [10:23] yeah, ok, look take it somewhere else. [10:23] dredg: get ready for 8000 bug reports then [10:23] preferably #iwantmyway ors [10:23] then file them instead of whining about it on irc === dholbach has a headache [10:24] menu editor helps *you*. it doesn't help everyone else using those apps. [10:24] evening [10:24] a HUGE one [10:24] hey aj [10:24] hey ajmitch [10:24] salut ajmitch [10:24] dredg: Lots of .desktop entries didn't validate but I forgot to make a list of them before I fixed them. :P [10:24] IRC stands for whIne Repeatively Chat [10:24] I thought maybe that was why my editor wasn't working once [10:25] HostingGeek: You've been banned from #ubuntu and #gnome-hackers, I'd watch yourself. [10:25] HostingGeek: oh give over and do something productive. file those bug reports. [10:25] Amaranth: not on other networks [10:25] if you have nothing constructive to say can you say it louder somewhere else? [10:25] thanks. [10:25] end of discussion. [10:25] dredg: lol [10:25] dredg: i filed 30 bugs last night for epiphany [10:26] good man. want a medal? [10:26] Hi. I've filed a bug regarding gnome-bluetooth and mdz replied me to get in touch with someone of motu for that. Anyone taking care of that package in here? [10:26] Gervystar: what's the problem? [10:26] dredg: i bugzilla is borig know [10:27] dredg: Did you understand what he just said? [10:27] HostingGeek: that's really nice and i think you're really sweet and all, but i've got work to do. [10:27] dholbach: the nautilus context menus are missing and the menu icons are broken. [10:27] Amaranth: on some level. [10:27] Gervystar: you have an idea how to fix it? [10:27] Amaranth: (that's a no) [10:27] Gervystar: we're as busy as can be, i won't manage to read specs or something [10:27] dholbach: the "send via bluetooth". the gnome-obex-server is working fine instead [10:28] Gervystar: do you have an idea how to fix it? [10:28] dholbach: I understand. I was already seeking info about it. If I'll get it working how can i contribute? [10:29] Gervystar: that'd be brilliant... just tell us, best you'd provide the source package [10:29] the changes will have your name on it and you'll be rich and famous :-) [10:29] no honestly... i really appreciate you getting involved [10:30] dholbach: rotfl! I'll try to, then. :) [10:30] for certain values of rich and famous :) [10:30] hello [10:30] anyone with ppc around? [10:30] my connection went out... [10:30] YAY back online [10:30] Gervystar: the best way is to build it in a pbuilder, but it's no must === HostingGeek waits for the server to send me all the messages i missed [10:31] wiki/PbuilderHowto could be a pointer [10:31] YAY! i got all i missed for the server all 15 lines [10:31] congrats [10:32] dholbach: thanks. I'll try as soon as i'll get some spare time [10:34] rocking === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] looking at gnome-bluetooth [10:42] it currently puts a bunch of pixmaps in /usr/share/gnome-bluetooth/pixmaps [10:42] but the link to it in the .desktop is wrong [10:43] however, absolute paths to pixmaps in .desktop files are bad [10:43] so I think we should move these various images to /usr/share/pixmaps === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-040-195.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] wb doko_ === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:11] dholbach: ping [11:11] Burgundavia: pong [11:11] ping pong! [11:11] dholbach: is it worth doing a quick fix for a .desktop file to convert the icon from absolute to relative path? [11:12] Burgundavia: provide me with the source package and i'll do it [11:12] dholbach: then I should send you my .diff.gz and .dsc? [11:13] yes [11:13] ok [11:13] dholbach: what's the depends meant to look like after doing a libxosd rebuild? [11:13] coming once I test it [11:13] licq finally built after a long compile ;) [11:13] ajmitch: if it builds, should be alright, but ask crimsun to make sure [11:14] well it builds alright, i did it in pbuilder to avoid installing lots of kde stuff [11:14] -Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), dpatch, autotools-dev, libncurses5-dev, libcdk-dev, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, qt3-dev-tools-compat, [11:14] libssl-dev, kdelibs4-dev, imagemagick, kdebase-data, libgpgme-dev, libxosd-dev (>= 2.1.0) [11:14] +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), dpatch, autotools-dev, libncurses5-dev, libcdk-dev, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, qt3-dev-tools-compat, [11:14] libssl-dev, kdelibs4-dev, imagemagick, kdebase-data, libgpgme-dev, libxosd-dev (>= 2.2.14-1ubuntu1) [11:14] that's the sort of stuff that gets dragged in ;) [11:15] err, did you mean what the build-deps are meant to look like? [11:15] if the current is -1, it would be -2ubuntu1 or 1ubuntu1? [11:16]