[12:03] <koke_> I just have had to become a member to have my address whitelisted :)
 sorry, I misunderstood the email, didn't realise it was only for whitelisting
[12:04] <dholbach> two koke* talking at me makes me dizzy :-)
[12:04] <koke_> xD, I've booted today into SMP
[12:04] <dholbach> koke_: uploaded
[12:05] <koke_> It's my cheap xinerama imitation
[12:07] <ogra> one topic left
[12:07] <kiko> ogra, how is it going? tough or not so
[12:07] <kiko> ?
[12:07] <ogra> ah, two
[12:08] <ogra> kiko, fine, thanks..
[12:08] <ogra> :)
[12:10] <ogra> kiko, at least here.... real life is a bit of a mess currently :)
[12:11] <kiko> heh
[12:11] <kiko> ogra, how's the community council hanging?
[12:11] <dholbach> koke_: hoary-changes looks goooood
[12:12] <koke_> dholbach: kmail is even showing my face in the upload :_)
[12:12] <ogra> kiko, ah, talking about the new website and simultaneously about the italian loco team *g*
[12:12] <kiko> the new website AGAIN
[12:12] <kiko> :)
[12:12] <ogra> kiko, abelli has left...(you met him in mataro i guess)
[12:13] <kiko> indeed I did, first day wasn't it?
[12:13] <ogra> yeah, again...just a short summary from hno73
[12:13] <koke_> ogra: do you know who chosed the "loco" term??
[12:13] <ogra> yep
[12:13] <ogra> koke, CC
[12:13] <ogra> local community
[12:14] <koke_> ogra: I know, but in Spanish "loco" == "crazy", "mad"
[12:14] <koke_> :D
[12:14] <ogra> koke, that as the intention ;)
[12:14] <jani> koke what other people stay up this late ;)
[12:14] <ogra> was even
[12:15] <ajmitch__> late? it's getting close to lunchtime here :)
[12:15] <koke> 00:15 here
[12:16] <koke> I usually go to sleep at 02:00~03:00
[12:16] <ogra> same here
[12:16] <koke> but I don't have to work tomorrow
[12:16] <ogra> 00:15 i mean....i never sleep ;)
[12:17] <koke> how noisy is my workstation :(
[12:17] <koke> I can't remember how I could sleep with it running
[12:17] <koke> it was my server for about a year, online 24hrs
[12:18] <koke> and now I can't stand more than an hour with the noise
[12:25] <ajmitch_> oops
[12:26] <ogra> heh, you dropped a dash
[12:26] <ajmitch_> yeah
[12:26] <ajmitch_> 2 was just too ostentatious
[12:26] <ogra> yeah...
[12:30] <koke> 2nd try: hmmm, now which's the next step?
[12:30] <koke> after the cash :)
[12:32] <jani> koke got key signed?
[12:33] <trulux> woka woka
[12:33] <jani> gotta be approved at TB meeting too for MOTU
[12:33] <koke> jani: signed by a DD
[12:33] <jani> cool
[12:33] <jani> then TB meeting only
[12:33] <ajmitch_> currently we're still on fast-track which doesn't require the TB meeting, iirc
[12:33] <ajmitch_> but it can still be done that way
[12:35] <jani> ok so MOTU's approve, since today he was only made member?
[12:36] <jani> btw I am all for koke = MOTU :)
[12:38] <ogra> guys lets take over the channel
[12:41] <tseng> are we into motu meeting now?
[12:41] <tseng> i had to take out my friends dog
[12:41] <tseng> he is going apeshit
[12:42] <dholbach> going apeshit?
[12:42] <tseng> crazy, nuts
[12:42] <tseng> jumping all over the place :/
[12:43] <tseng> hm i missed malone?
[12:43] <tseng> um?
[12:44] <kiko_zzz> don't forget malone ;)
[12:44] <tseng> id prefer to not be beaten with fish, please.
[12:44] <kiko_zzz> sleeping fish, even worse
[12:45] <dredg> urgh
[12:49] <tseng> *tear*
[12:49] <tseng> have you guys looked at any of that apt-get.org stuff?
[12:50] <ajmitch_> some of it is real junk, I've heard :)
[12:51] <tseng> yeah some guy is packaging tomboy
[12:51] <tseng> and his diff.gz is full of autotools junk for no reason
[12:51] <tseng> among other things
[12:52] <tseng> hm i guess i need one of you to upload my f-spot
[12:53] <tseng> ondrej@debian hasnt responded re that
[12:53] <crimsun> "the world" scares the crap out of me
[12:53] <crimsun> heck, _my_ warty backports are getting rm -rf'ed as soon as hoary releases
[12:53] <tseng> actually, they are already broken by accident
[12:53] <tseng> 500, somehow
[01:04] <dholbach> sabdfl: would you like to attend #ubuntu-meeting
[01:07] <tseng> mayhaps he is sleeping?
[01:08] <koke> tseng: idle for only 3mins
[01:12] <jani> crimsun are you ok with us sorting out which packs are needed from os-works then asking elmo to sync them?
[01:13] <dholbach> jani: i'm not sure if he "syncs" from there
[01:13] <jani> dholbach, as part of his syncing world
[01:13] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:13] <dholbach> hm
[01:13] <jani> he said he's open to suggestions
[01:13] <dholbach> well
[01:13] <jani> well not sync right :)
[01:14] <crimsun> jani: let's shoot for later this evening
[01:15] <dholbach> haha... evening :-)
[01:15] <jani> it's 2 AM here :)
[01:15] <crimsun> jani: ok, I'll be busy all tomorrow (EST -0500)
[01:15] <jani> but yes this evening in NZ I'll be at work in the mornig so we can talk
[01:16] <jani> then I'll send you a mail with what I conclude tomorrow night
[01:16] <crimsun> ok, so in 8 hours?
[01:17] <jani> ok
[01:18] <crimsun> ok, ping me then. :) Have a good night.
[01:18] <jani> ok, have good day :)
[01:20] <dholbach> good night jani :-)
[01:20] <jani> dholbach you too :)
[01:20] <dholbach> i will :-)
[01:20] <jani> I am still standing till the meeting ends though
[01:21] <jani> mako is doing smt bout my account now so I'll wait
[01:45] <dredg> i work too much
[01:46] <dredg> and no, the same can't be said for eating
[01:47] <crimsun> tseng: if you have a few minutes, britt_radiofree in #ubuntu has mono questions
[01:47] <tseng> he is in #mono also
[01:47] <crimsun> k
[01:47] <tritium> ogra, will you let me know when you have word on the NewPackages please?
[01:47] <ogra> tritium, sure
[01:47] <tritium> thanks
[01:49] <koke> well, the translation stuff actually came to me with system-tools-backend
[01:49] <koke> since some added patches introduced two new strings that appeared untranslated in the GUI
[01:50] <koke> my first reaction was another dpatch with the translation, but it's really dirty
[01:50] <koke> anyone knows how is managed the debconf templates translation??
[01:53] <koke> bad time for discussion, heh :)
[01:55] <ogra> koke, sorry, to tired ....
[01:55] <koke> ogra: me too
[01:56] <ogra> koke, then lets do it tomorrow
[01:56] <koke> perfect :)
[02:09] <tseng> i have a bit of a question for all of you
[02:09] <crimsun> k
[02:09] <tseng> should we persue packaging mono 1.1.4 for breezy regardless of debian (in)action
[02:09] <crimsun> yes.
[02:09] <tseng> and fix up all fall out, rebuild etc
[02:10] <tseng> i imagine we can cause a conflict nightmare this way
[02:10] <crimsun> although it's best if we coordinate w/ debian-mono, of course
[02:10] <tseng> yes
[02:10] <tseng> i work with the muine maintainer
[02:10] <jbailey> tseng: Can the Debian mono folks be convinced to team up with you the way the Debian Java folks and Ubuntu Java folks are working together now?
[02:10] <tseng> and I *am* the tomboy / f-spot maintainer
[02:10] <tseng> as for meebey, the core guy
[02:10] <tseng> im not sure how well he will receive it
[02:11] <crimsun> he and zomb, mainly
[02:11] <tseng> i never see zomb
[02:14] <crimsun> well, it's best if we coordinate with debian-mono, of course, but we aren't tied to them
[02:14] <crimsun> I try to keep my changes small and in dpatches so the Debian maintainer can drop what he wishes
[02:15] <tseng> ill just do it and see what he does about it
[02:15] <tseng> and count on you kids for support
[02:16] <crimsun> sure thing
[02:16] <crimsun> I'm in there, too
[02:43] <ajmitch_> tseng: yes, I think packaging mono for breezy will be a good idea
[02:43] <ajmitch_> since you don't  know when meebey will get 1.1.x done
[02:50] <dholbach> good night everyone
[02:50] <ajmitch_> night dholbach
[02:50] <crimsun> night daniel
[02:50] <dholbach> night daniel
[02:50] <dholbach> night andrew
[02:51] <dholbach> tomorrow we'll start some serious priorizing action
[03:03] <tritium> good night all
[03:04] <crimsun> night
[03:04] <tseng> bye.
[03:11] <dredg> tseng: oh, i like your nasty muine-shell hacks :)
[03:11] <tseng> heh
[03:11] <tseng> thanks
[03:12] <dredg> kind of. the html output is nasty.
[03:12] <dredg> but you knew that :)
[03:15] <koke> MOTUs, good news :)
[03:15] <koke> http://amedias.org/img/menus_default_icon_patch.png
[03:15] <koke> too tired to blog'it :D
[03:16] <HostingGeek> Amaranth said it will be another 2 days
[03:17] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: No one cares.
[03:17] <HostingGeek> YES THEY DO!
[03:17] <HostingGeek> everyone does!
[03:17] <HostingGeek> its a MENU EDITOR!!!!!!!
[03:17] <tseng> what did I say about caps
[03:17] <ajmitch_> calm down, please
[03:17] <tseng> consider this your second warning
[03:18] <tseng> and thats being very generous.
[03:18] <koke> HostingGeek: it's to late to shout here...
[03:18] <dredg> holy crap it's after 2
[03:19] <HostingGeek> i was up till 4:30am
[03:20] <dredg> yeah, stupidly, i do that every night. as a result i'm always very tired.
[03:21] <dredg> i reckon i'm about 2 days away from collapsing
[03:24] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/patches/gnome-panel_add-icon-to-items-without-one_0.diff
[03:24] <koke> tomorrow I'll try it more
[03:25] <HostingGeek> dredg: i was up 2.5 days and fell to sleep in the midle of the road
[03:25] <HostingGeek> Thank G-d my techer was with me
[03:25] <HostingGeek> And he got me off the road
[03:26] <dredg> your family must be proud.
[07:02] <crimsun> at last, wxvlc is fixed.  Now to fix wxwidgets2.5 so it builds on ppc!
[07:02] <crimsun> ah dang, still gotta fix the correct .desktop :/
[07:13] <HostingGeek> crimsun: yay! i downloaded 2 updates to day to it
[07:13] <HostingGeek> crimsun: whats the fixed version?
[07:14] <crimsun> HostingGeek: nothing for non 64-bit
[07:14] <crimsun> HostingGeek: although you'll probably notice the switch to gtk2
[07:14] <HostingGeek> crimsun: cool
[07:15] <HostingGeek> crimsun: with vlc??
[07:17] <crimsun> HostingGeek: no, wxvlc
[07:17] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I highly recommend you use the wxvlc package if you use vlc :)
[07:17] <HostingGeek> crimsun: wxvlc uses GTK?
[07:17] <HostingGeek> doesn't it use wxwidgets?
[07:18] <HostingGeek> like how it depends on it
[07:18] <crimsun> HostingGeek: wxwidgets2.5 uses gtk2; wxwindows2.4 uses gtk1
[07:18] <HostingGeek> c00l
[07:18] <crimsun> since we're pursuing a consistent ui, may as well go with gtk2
[07:18] <HostingGeek> crimsun: can we get the totem mozilla plugin
[07:19] <HostingGeek> in universe
[07:19] <HostingGeek> so we can uninstall vlc
[07:19] <crimsun> not my decision, sorry
[07:19] <HostingGeek> it should be beta by now
[07:20] <HostingGeek> if not before april hopefully
[07:30] <HostingGeek> crimsun: ahh but the plugin hasn't changed at all
[07:30] <HostingGeek> i only used the plugin
[07:31] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I only use the player :)
[07:31] <HostingGeek> crimsun: but RB rules!!!
[07:33] <crimsun> RB?
[07:33] <crimsun> Rhythmbox?
[07:34] <HostingGeek> yes
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <crimsun> g'morning
[08:00] <dholbach> hey daniel
[08:25] <BuffaloSoldier> hello everyone
[08:25] <dholbach> hey BuffaloSoldier
[08:26] <BuffaloSoldier> :)
[08:26] <BuffaloSoldier> just another Ubuntu user... just observing what are you guys doing :)
[08:27] <crimsun> it's fairly quiet during these hours, since many people are still asleep
[08:27] <csj> hello, where can I about about liveCD cusdomize?
[08:28] <csj> s/about/ask
[08:28] <dholbach> BuffaloSoldier: most of the work is working oneself through wiki/PbuilderHowto and starting rebuild broken packages, adjust build-depends and learn on-the-job
[08:28] <dholbach> #ubuntu-devel - none of us guys works on the live cd
[08:30] <csj> thanks
[08:30] <dholbach> de rien
[08:42] <BuffaloSoldier> is "de rien" = you're welcome?
[08:43] <dholbach> yes :-)
[08:43] <dholbach> "you're welcome / not to worry" in french
[08:44] <BuffaloSoldier> oo french? i assume it was german :)
[08:46] <dholbach> in german you'd say "keine Ursache / gern geschehen", but that's harder to understand :-)
[08:46] <Treenaks> de nada :)
[08:46] <dholbach> hey Treenaks
[08:46] <Treenaks> hey dholbach
[08:47] <BuffaloSoldier> and harder to type too :)
[08:47] <dholbach> Treenaks: we had motu meeting last night: universe will be closed by april, 6th as well
[08:47] <Treenaks> dholbach: OK
[08:47] <dholbach> so i'll have to prepare a priority list
[08:48] <dholbach> based on debian's popcon
[08:48] <dholbach> which gives me all sorts of headaches
[08:48] <Treenaks> dholbach: sorry to have missed it, but my date was more important :)
[08:49] <Treenaks> (and she was first :P)
[08:49] <dholbach> no worry
[08:50] <dholbach> i just hope we'll have universe less crack-addled in 2 weeks
[08:51] <Treenaks> dholbach: is it so crackful now then?
[08:51] <dholbach> have a look at wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild and wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps
[08:51] <dholbach> first of both isnt even complete
[08:52] <dholbach> the test-rebuild will be finished in 3-4 days
[08:52] <Treenaks> urgh
[08:52] <dholbach> now if the wiki worked again, i'd double the doesntbuild-list
[08:52] <BuffaloSoldier> guys, got to go.. take care
[08:52] <dholbach> have a nice day, BuffaloSoldier
[08:52] <Treenaks> dholbach: some seem to be python2.3/4 issues
[08:52] <BuffaloSoldier> you too
[08:53] <Treenaks> (yehia)
[08:53] <dholbach> yehia is a PITA, ask d3vic3 :-)
[08:53] <dholbach> i gave up on it
[08:53] <Treenaks> dholbach: and some are not even universe! (l-r-m)
[08:53] <dholbach> some are just x.org-dependencies to add
[08:53] <dholbach> i won't object, kill them from the list
[08:54] <dholbach> just go ahead and make it happen! :-)
[08:54] <Treenaks> on the wiki
[08:54] <dholbach> elmo works on the wiki
[08:54] <Treenaks> ah
[08:54] <Treenaks> that's why I can't log in then?
[08:54] <dholbach> yes
[08:55] <Treenaks> ah
[10:00] <HostingGeek> WTF is up with the wiki?
[10:00] <crimsun> it was being repaired
[10:00] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: i also can't login
[10:01] <HostingGeek> then turn it offline
[10:08] <Amaranth> yeah, i was just trying to add my editor to the MOTUNewPackages page to see if it could get in :)
[10:09] <Amaranth> or am i not supposed to do that?
[10:12] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: blame elmo for messing with the login
[10:12] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I blame no one.
[10:12] <Amaranth> It's not a big deal.
[10:13] <Treenaks> let's just blame canada
[10:13] <HostingGeek> yea just get 3 people here to review it
[10:14] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: what? all of Canada?
[10:14] <HostingGeek> o.0
[10:16] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I'll just wait for the wiki to work again and do it right. Why should I get special treatment?
[10:16] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: Becasue its a MENU EDITOR!!!!
[10:17] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: hey!
[10:18] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: hm? whay?
[10:18] <Treenaks> what?
 let's just blame canada
[10:18] <dredg> and seven hours later i'm seeing 'menu editor' in caps all over again
[10:19] <dredg> why? what the hell is going on?
[10:19] <Treenaks> dredg: HostingGeek is going on
[10:19] <HostingGeek> lol
[10:19] <Amaranth> dredg: My fault.
[10:19] <Burgundavia> menu editing is apparently something that is held holy by all who use ubuntu
[10:20] <HostingGeek> Yes!
[10:20] <Burgundavia> and we have sinned by taking that away
[10:20] <dredg> editing of what menus?
[10:20] <HostingGeek> Noooo!
[10:20] <dredg> applications?
[10:20] <HostingGeek> Bring it back!!!!!
[10:20] <dredg> the file menu in abiword?
[10:20] <dredg> system menu in my panel?
[10:20] <HostingGeek> jeffk?!
[10:20] <dredg> Treenaks: been expecting that for some time now.
[10:21] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk
[10:21] <Burgundavia> apparently lack of menu editing also causes you to abuse your keyboard by using lots of !!?!?!@?!1?!1
[10:21] <dredg> what does this menu editor do? what menus does it allow you edit?
[10:21] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: !!!!!!1111oneoneone
[10:21] <Burgundavia> dredg: the gnome menus
[10:22] <Burgundavia> dredg: the ones that no longer have a gui tool as of 2.10
[10:22] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: I belive the HIG says says change should take place automaticly
[10:22] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: so you need to remove the save button
[10:22] <dredg> oh. i haven't edited those menus in jebus knows how many years
[10:22] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: If it says that this is one time where I'm going to tell it to sod off.
[10:22] <Burgundavia> if it doesn't show up on my menu, I file a bug or fix it myself in the package
[10:23] <dredg> sorry, gnome plays the "the menus should be sane by default" game.
[10:23] <Burgundavia> much more useful than a menu editor
[10:23] <dredg> if a package doesn't show up, file a bug.
[10:23] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: but its for prefences
[10:23] <dredg> r, s/package/app/
[10:23] <dredg> yeah, ok, look take it somewhere else.
[10:23] <HostingGeek> dredg: get ready for 8000 bug reports then
[10:23] <dredg> preferably #iwantmyway ors
[10:23] <dredg> then file them instead of whining about it on irc
[10:24] <dredg> menu editor helps *you*. it doesn't help everyone else using those apps.
[10:24] <ajmitch> evening
[10:24] <dholbach> a HUGE one
[10:24] <dholbach> hey aj
[10:24] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:24] <Burgundavia> salut ajmitch
[10:24] <Amaranth> dredg: Lots of .desktop entries didn't validate but I forgot to make a list of them before I fixed them. :P
[10:24] <HostingGeek> IRC stands for whIne Repeatively  Chat
[10:24] <Amaranth> I thought maybe that was why my editor wasn't working once
[10:25] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: You've been banned from #ubuntu and #gnome-hackers, I'd watch yourself.
[10:25] <dredg> HostingGeek: oh give over and do something productive. file those bug reports.
[10:25] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: not on other networks
[10:25] <dredg> if you have nothing constructive to say can you say it louder somewhere else?
[10:25] <dredg> thanks.
[10:25] <dredg> end of discussion.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> dredg: lol
[10:25] <HostingGeek> dredg: i filed 30 bugs last night for epiphany
[10:26] <dredg> good man. want a medal?
[10:26] <Gervystar> Hi. I've filed a bug regarding gnome-bluetooth and mdz replied me to get in touch with someone of motu for that. Anyone taking care of that package in here?
[10:26] <dholbach> Gervystar: what's the problem?
[10:26] <HostingGeek> dredg: i bugzilla is borig know
[10:27] <Amaranth> dredg: Did you understand what he just said?
[10:27] <dredg> HostingGeek: that's really nice and i think you're really sweet and all, but i've got work to do.
[10:27] <Gervystar> dholbach: the nautilus context menus are missing and the menu icons are broken.
[10:27] <dredg> Amaranth: on some level.
[10:27] <dholbach> Gervystar: you have an idea how to fix it?
[10:27] <dredg> Amaranth: (that's a no)
[10:27] <dholbach> Gervystar: we're as busy as can be, i won't manage to read specs or something
[10:27] <Gervystar> dholbach: the "send via bluetooth". the gnome-obex-server is working fine instead
[10:28] <dholbach> Gervystar: do you have an idea how to fix it?
[10:28] <Gervystar> dholbach: I understand. I was already seeking info about it. If I'll get it working how can i contribute?
[10:29] <dholbach> Gervystar: that'd be brilliant... just tell us, best you'd provide the source package
[10:29] <dholbach> the changes will have your name on it and you'll be rich and famous :-)
[10:29] <dholbach> no honestly... i really appreciate you getting involved
[10:30] <Gervystar> dholbach: rotfl! I'll try to, then. :)
[10:30] <dredg> for certain values of rich and famous :)
[10:30] <zyga> hello
[10:30] <zyga> anyone with ppc around?
[10:30] <HostingGeek> my connection went out...
[10:30] <HostingGeek> YAY back online
[10:30] <dholbach> Gervystar: the best way is to build it in a pbuilder, but it's no must
[10:31] <dholbach> wiki/PbuilderHowto could be a pointer
[10:31] <HostingGeek> YAY! i got all i missed for the server all 15 lines
[10:31] <ajmitch> congrats
[10:32] <Gervystar> dholbach: thanks. I'll try as soon as i'll get some spare time
[10:34] <dholbach> rocking
[10:42] <Burgundavia> looking at gnome-bluetooth
[10:42] <Burgundavia> it currently puts a bunch of pixmaps in /usr/share/gnome-bluetooth/pixmaps
[10:42] <Burgundavia> but the link to it in the .desktop is wrong
[10:43] <Burgundavia> however, absolute paths to pixmaps in .desktop files are bad
[10:43] <Burgundavia> so I think we should move these various images to /usr/share/pixmaps
[10:47] <HostingGeek> wb doko_
[11:11] <Burgundavia> dholbach: ping
[11:11] <dholbach> Burgundavia: pong
[11:11] <HostingGeek> ping pong!
[11:11] <Burgundavia> dholbach: is it worth doing a quick fix for a .desktop file to convert the icon from absolute to relative path?
[11:12] <dholbach> Burgundavia: provide me with the source package and i'll do it
[11:12] <Burgundavia> dholbach: then I should send you my .diff.gz and .dsc?
[11:13] <dholbach> yes
[11:13] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:13] <ajmitch> dholbach: what's the depends meant to look like after doing a libxosd rebuild?
[11:13] <Burgundavia> coming once I test it
[11:13] <ajmitch> licq finally built after a long compile ;)
[11:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: if it builds, should be alright, but ask crimsun to make sure
[11:14] <ajmitch> well it builds alright, i did it in pbuilder to avoid installing lots of kde stuff
[11:14] <ajmitch> -Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), dpatch, autotools-dev, libncurses5-dev, libcdk-dev, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, qt3-dev-tools-compat,
[11:14] <ajmitch> libssl-dev, kdelibs4-dev, imagemagick, kdebase-data, libgpgme-dev, libxosd-dev (>= 2.1.0)
[11:14] <ajmitch> +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), dpatch, autotools-dev, libncurses5-dev, libcdk-dev, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, qt3-dev-tools-compat,
[11:14] <ajmitch> libssl-dev, kdelibs4-dev, imagemagick, kdebase-data, libgpgme-dev, libxosd-dev (>= 2.2.14-1ubuntu1)
[11:14] <ajmitch> that's the sort of stuff that gets dragged in ;)
[11:15] <crimsun> err, did you mean what the build-deps are meant to look like?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> if the current is -1, it would be -2ubuntu1 or 1ubuntu1?
[11:16] <ajmitch> -1ubuntu1
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:16] <crimsun> ajmitch: looks ok to me
[11:16] <ajmitch> crimsun: I didn't know if it was just depends that got changed (shlibs:Depends) or if it was a compilation change
[11:16] <ajmitch> I'll try & upload it then
[11:17] <crimsun> k
[11:17] <ajmitch> nice big 740K .diff.gz
[11:17] <crimsun> yeesh
[11:18] <ajmitch> yeah, I checked with interdiff that I didn't introduce anything
[11:18] <dholbach> see you later
[11:18] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[11:18] <crimsun> cya daniel
[11:26] <zyga> anyone with ppc around?
[11:31] <HostingGeek> Did someone say they are not accepting the menu editor!!!
[11:32] <HostingGeek> get ready for mass complant threads and emails and trolls in the irc channel
[11:32] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: try a few less '!'
[11:32] <Burgundavia> it might make your points a little more palatable
[11:32] <koke> hi MOTUs!
[11:32] <crimsun> hi
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hey koke
[11:32] <HostingGeek> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:33] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: no, I am really serious
[11:33] <HostingGeek> of i though you said more
[11:33] <HostingGeek> *oh
[11:33] <HostingGeek> sorry i am in the midle of an im
 just kidding :P
[11:35] <HostingGeek> Ok sorry about that
[11:36] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: please remember the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[11:43] <dredg> HostingGeek: you are not being constructive in any way. you are obnoxious, distracting and seem to completely miss the point of this channel. #ubuntu-motu is not your forum for "I want $this in universe. now now now now." grow up and cop the hell on.
[11:43] <dredg> HostingGeek: don't bother replying, i have you on ignore from now.
[11:45] <HostingGeek> *g*
[11:47] <dredg> gah, mustn't feed the trolls.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> I know
[12:02] <d3vic3> dredg, hi
[12:03] <d3vic3> dredg, how is jaxml going?
[12:04] <dredg> d3vic3: it was uploaded a while ago iirc
[12:04] <d3vic3> hmm, I installed it, and it failed
[12:04] <dredg> (i didn't upload it, but it's there)
[12:05] <dredg> yeah, issue with postinst script. i'll look at it later and upload again.
[12:06] <d3vic3> I'm working on something that needs it
[12:06] <dredg> sorry, i've been up to my neck in work for the past few weeks
[12:07] <dredg> i'll look at it over lunch.
[12:07] <ajmitch> sigh
[12:07] <ajmitch> I wish my computers could have built licq as fast as the buildds ;)
[12:10] <crimsun> yeah, I sure could use 3 of each arch
[12:10] <crimsun> ;D
[12:10] <Burgundavia> might have to go get me a ppc and a amd64 if I continue
[12:10] <Burgundavia> make it easier to test
[12:17] <koke> RFC about menu icons
[12:17] <koke> http://amedias.org/img/menus_default_icon_patch.png
[12:17] <koke> http://amedias.org/img/menus_default_icon_patch_1.png
[12:17] <koke> the best icon is the second but scaled better
[12:17] <ogra> i like the latter
[12:18] <Burgundavia> concur with koke
[12:18] <koke> it's taken from libwnck
[12:18] <ogra> yup, its the default for dialogs without icon...
[12:26] <koke> is the Places->Network Places menu supossed to have an icon??
[12:30] <HostingGeek> i like #2, koke
[12:31] <HostingGeek> link
[12:36] <koke> too blurry yet :(
[12:40] <\sh> ogra...wanna join tomorrow?
[12:40] <\sh> ogra, for a drink in cologne?
[12:41] <ogra> \sh, dunno if i already have the car back then
[12:42] <\sh> ogra, bran and all the others are meeting in cologne..got a call a couple of meanutes ago
[12:42] <ogra> \sh, GF is in kassel....
[12:42] <\sh> minutes
[12:42] <\sh> minutes meanutes peanuts ;)
[12:44] <Treenaks> does anyone here know of a good, well-supported laptop I can buy?
[12:44] <Burgundavia> an older one?
[12:44] <ogra> Treenaks, i thought you already picked yors
[12:44] <Treenaks> ogra: yeah, I did
[12:44] <ogra> but ?
[12:44] <Treenaks> ogra: but then the store decided to stop processing orders for the next 3 weeks
[12:44] <Treenaks> ogra: just when I was about to order
[12:44] <ogra> grr
[12:44] <Treenaks> so they just lost a customer
[12:45] <\sh> Treenaks, hp/compaq nc6000 or nc8000
[12:46] <Treenaks> \sh: do they have OS-less bundles?
[12:46] <ogra> Treenaks, mine is very nice, costed me 1250 euro, but the wireless card isnt supported and the keyboard could be better (acer aspire 1520)
[12:46] <ogra> Treenaks, and i couldnt buy it os-less indeed
[12:47] <Treenaks> supported wireless is mandatory, nice keyboard would be nice
[12:47] <\sh> Treenaks, i don't think so...but I think the nc6000 is only 1.2k US$ (list price from hp)
[12:47] <\sh> Treenaks, intel centrino stuff...keyboard is very good
[12:47] <\sh> ogra, u know those laptops from the company
[12:47] <Treenaks> \sh: nice.. I'll have a look
[12:48] <\sh> nc8000 is with 2Megs cache and nc6000 with 1megs only ..intel pentium M 1.6Ghz
[12:48] <ogra> Treenaks, two pcmcia slots my orinoco is doing fine here ;)
[12:48] <\sh> 512megs 40gb hd, irda, bluetooth, wlan, sound, ati radeon 9600 mobility (working with the latest drivers)
[12:48] <ogra> \sh, i know them and dont like them ;)
[12:48] <\sh> only irda is puking around...
[12:49] <\sh> but i'm working on it...
[12:50] <\sh> shouldn't be there in 2.6. anymore...but these are only PR texts ... finally the driver is there, but the constellation of the chipset + the design of hp is not working
[12:50] <\sh> ogra, :)) u and ur amd64
[12:50] <koke> http://amedias.org/img/menus_default_icon_patch_2.png
[12:50] <Treenaks> EUR 2269 at hp.nl for the NC8000.. WTF?
[12:50] <koke> just a bit more shadow... :)
[12:50] <koke> have to go
[12:50] <\sh> ogra, u don't habe a laptop there, is a flat desktop
[12:51] <\sh> Treenaks, check hp.com
[12:51] <Treenaks> \sh: oh wait. that's the everything-selected version..
[12:51] <Treenaks> but the cheapest one is still expensive
[12:51] <\sh> then use the nc6000
[12:51] <\sh> u don't need the 2mb
[12:51] <Treenaks> what's the screen resolution on those?
[12:52] <\sh> 1024x768 14" or something like this...nice to travel with... lightweight
[12:52] <robtaylor_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/encompass/encompass_0.5.99.3-4.diff.gz  appears to have been curtailed.
[12:52] <\sh> i think the nc8000 is a bit larger
[12:52] <robtaylor_> as size 5773 instead of expected 5659
[12:52] <Treenaks> \sh: I'll look around a bit, thanks
[12:53] <dholbach> robtaylor_: you want to provide a new source package and someone will upload it?
[12:53] <robtaylor_> dholbach: i'll just go check that its ok in unstable
[12:54] <\sh> but...u can have my old laptop :) amd mobile athlon 1800 32mb shared mem graphics card, orinoco wlan include...broken display,
[12:54] <\sh> from 4mbo ;)
[12:55] <ogra> argh
[12:55] <ogra> 4mbo is such a crap...
[12:55] <\sh> well...4mbo is not there anymore
[12:55] <\sh> just 2 days before i wanted to send in my laptop, they closed because of disappeared money ;)
[12:56] <\sh> adn now the cpu, ram, wlan card etc. is laying around...but is not in the chassie anymore ;)
[12:59] <trulux> ajmitch: problems for logging in Plone
[12:59] <trulux> ajmitch: I will comment the package after shower
[12:59] <trulux> ;)
[01:00] <ajmitch> ok :)
[01:00] <robtaylor_> dholbach: yeah, the diff is fin in sid, so just pulling that again should suffice
[01:00] <robtaylor_> s/fin/fine
[01:00] <robtaylor_> agh, no i'm lying
[01:01] <robtaylor_> its wrong in sid too
[01:01] <robtaylor_> hmm
[01:01] <robtaylor_> and maintainer is debian-qa group, which doesnt help
[01:01] <robtaylor_> ahwell, not really an ubuntu issue then. Thanks :)
[01:01] <dholbach> robtaylor_: i'll try building a new source package later
[01:02] <dholbach> if the wiki would work, i'd set it on our todo
[01:06] <robtaylor_> dholbach: well, it's been removed from sarge, and the maintainer seems to have lost interest in it, so not that huge an issue.
[01:07] <robtaylor_> though upstream seems to have woken up again recently
[01:07] <dholbach> robtaylor_: alright... i'll have a look at it and if upstream isnt there anymore, i'll put it on wiki/MorgueCandidates
[01:07] <dholbach> oh
[01:07] <dholbach> well, if you want to maintain it for ubuntu...
[01:08] <robtaylor_> well i'm just gonna do a cvs co and see what its like
[01:08] <dholbach> that would be cool
[01:08] <robtaylor_> it'll be either this or flower, as gecko is starting to really get on my nerves ;)
[01:14] <mantien1> hi all
[01:16] <crimsun> off to work, bye all
[01:16] <mantien1> Burgundavia: so, who could add .desktop file, reported at http://bugs.debian.org/271904 into gdeb package ?
[01:16] <Burgundavia> you can
[01:17] <Burgundavia> pull the source down and fix it
[01:17] <Burgundavia> then ask for someone here to check it so it can be uploaded
[01:19] <mantien1> Burgundavia: should I add to source package or compile binaries ?
[01:20] <Burgundavia> grab the source and then fix that
[01:21] <Burgundavia> I am wrong person to ask about debian packaging
[01:21] <Burgundavia> I only just started myself last week
[01:27] <ogra> mantien1, make a patch ;)
[01:30] <Treenaks> \sh: I think I'll go for this one: http://www.jewelnotebooks.nl/index.php?page=jade-8080
[01:31] <ogra> Treenaks, bah, wrong cpu :-P
[01:31] <Treenaks> ogra: shutup :)
[01:31] <ogra> hehe
[01:40] <mantien1> ogra: "patch" is already at http://bugs.debian.org/271904
[01:41] <ogra> mantien1, ah, ok
[01:46] <mantien1> ogra: I just want to find a person, who can include fixes from this bug in ubuntu
[01:47] <ogra> mantien1, is it included in the debian package already ?
[01:51] <mantien1> ogra: no, it seems gdeb debian maintainer disapeared for one year :(
[01:51] <Treenaks> especially the "oh, that person just disappeared" part of it... 8)
[01:52] <Treenaks> mantien1: how about girls that love debian?
[01:53] <mantien1> Treenaks: it's hard to find - debian is not designed for girls, debian has too many usability problems :(
[01:58] <robtaylor_> mantien1: invalid assumption...
[01:59] <mantien1> except me wife
[01:59] <BuffaloSoldier> at least you have a wife :)
[02:12] <dholbach> NEW crack on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild - have fun
[02:14] <Treenaks> http://home.twcny.rr.com/mechgeek/fark/shortcut-punishment.gif
[02:18] <mantien1> BuffaloSoldier: ;)
[02:25] <mantien1> ogra: so, you could add .desktop file, reported at http://bugs.debian.org/271904 into gdeb package ?
[02:25] <dholbach> mantien1: we'd all be grateful for a source package we could just review and upload
[02:26] <ogra> mantien1, yeah, like dholbach said....could you put a fixed source package anywhere on the web wher we can pull it ?
[02:28] <dholbach> wow... 43 people in #u-motu :-)
[02:28] <mantien1> ogra: ok
[02:28] <ogra> yeah, were growing, dholbach :)
[02:29] <BuffaloSoldier> everyone wants to be He-Man: Master of the Universe :P
[02:29] <ogra> yeah
[02:30] <ogra> isnt that great ?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> it is the name that attracted me
[02:31] <Burgundavia> ;)
[02:32] <BuffaloSoldier> of all the "work" in Ubuntu... Master of Universe could have the coolest t-shirt :)
[02:33] <ogra> BuffaloSoldier, we will ;)
[02:34] <BuffaloSoldier> hhmmm.. that gives an idea.... Ubuntu merchandise franchise
[02:34] <BuffaloSoldier> like the English football club opening merchandise shop all over the planet
[02:39] <BuffaloSoldier> is there any channel for ubuntu marketing?
[03:00] <Burgundavia> ogra, dholbach: ping
[03:02] <dholbach> pong
[03:02] <dholbach> Burgundavia: didnt look at your mail yet, sorry
[03:02] <Burgundavia> np
[03:02] <Burgundavia> I was wondering more about malone
[03:02] <Gervystar> any known mono 1.1 repositories for hoary? On this machine i've mono 1.1.4 installed, but i've accidentally lost the repo used for the install
[03:02] <Burgundavia> can I beat it up?
[03:03] <Burgundavia> er, I mean test it
[03:03] <Burgundavia> right
[03:03] <dholbach> Burgundavia: go ahead
[03:03] <ogra> Burgundavia, pong ... somehow
[03:03] <dholbach> Burgundavia: bradb will be pleased to get bug reports
[03:03] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:03] <Burgundavia> I was looking at it
[03:04] <Burgundavia> looked good
[03:04] <ogra> Burgundavia, dont test it,  USE IT !! ;)
[03:04] <Burgundavia> login the same as the wiki?
[03:04] <ogra> yep
[03:04] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:04] <ogra> its live, we already are supposed to use it
[03:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:05] <ogra> Gervystar, we dont use mono 1.1 (and to be honest dont care for it before breezy development starts)
[03:06] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:18] <Burgundavia> ogra, dholbach: for assigned bugs to motu, how to do I do that?
[03:18] <Burgundavia> or to me
[03:20] <ogra> Burgundavia, either assign them to motu in the form (username of MOTU is motu) or leave it up to us... we'll review the page regulary
[03:20] <Burgundavia> ogra: ok
[03:20] <ogra> Burgundavia, see the topic, the log of the test might be helpful for usage questions
[03:21] <Burgundavia> I read over the log
[03:21] <Burgundavia> but I didn't see that very clearly
[03:28] <mantien1> ogra: http://ftp.akl.lt/incoming/gdeb
[03:28] <ogra> ok
[03:31] <tritium> dholbach, I'm guessing that the vpnc segfault issue is amd64-specific
[03:37] <dholbach> tritium: yeah... maybe... i just won't have the time to package a new cvs version or something
[03:37] <dholbach> tritium: however, i'd test it
[03:37] <tritium> dholbach, I use vpnc successfully here.  I can't reproduce the segfault here
[03:38] <lamont> ew.
[03:39] <lamont> 3ddesktop 3dwm aime ara astats bbdate d4x debbuggtk digikamplugins enbd fdclock freewnn giftui golem harbour idesk ion2 iterm k3d kannel kdebindings kernel-patch-powerpc-2.6.9 kerneltop kimdaba kimwitu kimwitu++ kipina kismet klic kmd kprof lkcdutils lurker nip nip2 ntop oroborus osdclock ppmd pspresent python-gnome redboot sagasu sbcl sip-qt3 strategoxt sylpheed-claws-maildir-plugin sylpheed-claws-pgpinline-plugin tct tleenx2 torch-examples u++ wmr
[03:39] <lamont> essel wmxres wnn6-sdk xautolock xdiskusage xfcalendar xfce-mcs-manager xfce-mcs-plugins xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-iconbox xfce4-minicmd-plugin xfce4-mixer xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes-plugin xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-showdesktop-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-systray xfce4-toys xfce4-trigger-launcher xfce4-utils xfce4-weather-plugin xfdesktop4 xffm4 xfprint4 xfwm4 xloc
[03:39] <lamont> kmore xt-aterm
[03:39] <lamont> that's this mornings partially inclusive list
[03:39] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDoesNotBuild -> last failed build: 20050323-0724 - i'll update later :-)
[03:40] <dholbach> *copy*
[03:40] <lamont> dholbach: that was all the new build failures, stripped of things with no .debs in the archive (for that version)
[03:40] <lamont> however, since things are building on 4 architectures, it includes things previously reported (when the first architecture failed)
[03:41] <dholbach> lamont: thank you
[03:41] <lamont> np - is next to zero effort (cmd + cut/paste from mutt..)
[03:42] <lamont> hence the lack of preciseness. :-(
[03:42] <dholbach> lamont: thanks anyway... i hope with the planned xfce-update we'll get at least those from the list
[03:45] <lamont> dholbach: yeah, I expect that many of the failures are already known.
[03:45] <lamont> Total 3437 package(s) in state Installed.
[03:45] <lamont> Total 3492 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[03:45] <lamont> that's i386
[03:45] <dholbach> ... and should be dragged to morgue.ubuntu.com
[03:45] <dholbach> sorry for sounding bitter :-)
[03:46] <dholbach> the failing ones :-)
[03:46] <lamont> I'm inclined to say that if something is ftbfs at release, it should at least be dropped from the hoary Packages files. (and moved into breezy, maybe?)
[03:47] <dholbach> yeah... we'll have to decide on that one
[03:47] <dholbach> atm i'm not uploading anything... just preparing lists
[03:47] <lamont> to be fair, the list I'm pasting does include all of the cases where at least one of the 4 architectures is ftbfs for arch-specific reasons.
[03:48] <lamont> since it's _any_ ftbfs && _any_ .deb
[03:48] <dholbach> quite luckily some of them were fixed in debian
[03:48] <lamont> even better
[03:48] <dholbach> so a sync will suffice
[03:48] <dholbach> but we need more people to check :-)
[03:51] <mantien1> ogra: my gdeb improvements looks ok ?
[03:51] <ogra> mantien1, where is the diff.gz ?
[03:52] <mantien1> ogra: hehe, there were no diff.gz in gdeb source package ;)
[03:52] <ogra> hmm...
[03:53] <mantien1> I did dpkg-buildpackage -S -us -uc
[03:53] <ogra> mantien1, and had no lintian warnings ?
[03:57] <mantien1> ogra: I simply downloaded gnome-apt_0.4.7-1.2ubuntu4.dsc and gnome-apt_0.4.7-1.2ubuntu4.tar.gz from archive.ubuntu.com/debian, added gdeb.desktop, added changelog entry and added dh_desktop to debian/rules
[03:58] <mantien1> then did dpkg-buildpackage -S -us -uc
[03:58] <ogra> mantien1, you didnt apt-get source ?
[03:59] <mantien1> apt-get source does the same
[03:59] <ogra> no orig.gz ? no diff.gz ? hmm
[04:00] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:00] <Burgundavia> I don't get one either
[04:00] <mvo> ogra: gnome-apt is a native package IIRC
[04:01] <ogra> yup, i see it now..
[04:01] <Burgundavia> the tar is not .orig.
[04:10] <mantiena> ogra: so, my gdeb improvements looks ok ?
[04:11] <ogra> mantiena, please be a bit patient, i cant review the package right away, i'm busy with some other stuff, i'll do it during the day (4pm HERE)
[04:11] <ogra> whoops
[04:11] <ogra> here indeed
[04:12] <mantiena> where ?
[04:12] <mantiena> ;)
[04:12] <ogra> germany
[04:12] <mantiena> ogra: I live near you ;)
[04:12] <ogra> nl ? or be ?
[04:13] <mantiena> lt
[04:13] <ogra> ah, ok its the other side ;)
[04:13] <Treenaks> mantiena: by that definition, I live near to ogra
[04:13] <ogra> Treenaks, by that definition you sit on my lap
[04:13] <ogra> * go away *
[04:14] <Burgundavia> unless you count on the planet, I am near none of you
[04:15] <crimsun> mantiena: I'll take a look.
[04:17] <mantiena> crimsun: thanks
[04:20] <Burgundavia> ogra: should I be filing hundreds of missing .desktop file bugs?
[04:20] <ogra> Burgundavia, if youre bored :-P
[04:21] <Burgundavia> ogra: I was just wondering if we wanted to fill malone up with this stuff
[04:21] <ogra> Burgundavia, nah, rather fix some of them and wait for the users to file them....i'm sure we wont be able to solve all these missing enrtys
[04:22] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:22] <Burgundavia> I will file the ones I want to get done soon, so I have a place to leave notes easily
[04:22] <ogra> Burgundavia, great idea !
[04:23] <mantiena> ogra: ubuntu does submit .desktop files to upstream and debian ?
[04:25] <ogra> mantiena, we should be able, through malone and Keybuks patch collection it should even work automatically soon
[04:27] <mantiena> cool
[04:28] <tritium> Burgundavia, your bugs are not assigned to anybody.  Are you working on them?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> tritium: yes, but I have no rights to do that
[04:29] <tritium> Okay, just wanted to make sure I don't duplicate any of your efforts
[04:29] <ogra> Burgundavia, i guess you have a wiki account ... so you also have a malone account to assign the bugs to
[04:29] <Burgundavia> oh
[04:29] <mantiena> I made dosemu.desktop file, but debian developer don't wanted to include it (he abandoned dosemu package soon after my bugreport with dosemu.desktop and now dosemu in Debian doesn't have a maintainer:( ). maybe ubuntu will accept dosemu.desktop file ?
[04:29] <ogra> Burgundavia, search the user list on launchpad....
[04:30] <Burgundavia> mantiena: make the necessary package changes and then give ogra/dholbach the diff.gz/.dsc
[04:30] <Burgundavia> ogra: ?
[04:32] <ogra> yup
[04:33] <mantiena> Burgundavia: I do this if my changes to gdeb will contain no problems after verifying
[04:33] <Burgundavia> mantiena: ?
[04:34] <crimsun> mantiena: Is it intentional that you call dh_desktop without having bumped the build-dep version of debhelper?
[04:34] <crimsun> mantiena: (>= 4.2.21)
[04:35] <crimsun> mantiena: you'll also want an Image entry in .desktop
[04:37] <mantiena> crimsun: gdeb.desktop file is needed only for mime database, not for calling from gnome menu
[04:38] <crimsun> mantiena: so it already has a proper menu item?
[04:38] <ogra> mantiena, if you create a desktop file please make it complete....
[04:40] <mantiena> ogra: I make it complete
[04:40] <mantiena> crimsun: no, gdeb package doesn't need a menu item in gnome menu
[04:40] <Burgundavia> calling gdeb for the menu would be useless
[04:40] <mantiena> yes
[04:40] <Burgundavia> it is a very unfriendly app that way
[04:40] <mantiena> ;)
[04:40] <Burgundavia> I was most non-impressed
[04:41] <Burgundavia> hence no menu item
[04:41] <Burgundavia> if you run gdeb from the menu, you get an error message
[04:41] <mantiena> crimsun: look at http://bugs.debian.org/271904
[04:41] <crimsun> mantiena: yep, I see.
[04:42] <crimsun> mantiena: just double-checking, thanks.
[04:43] <crimsun> mantiena: looks good; the only thing I'd consider is tightening that build-dep on debhelper
[04:44] <mantiena> crimsun: ok, thanks for verifying, I will increase build-dep in future when need to add dh_desktop
[04:46] <mantiena> crimsun: you will upload fixed gdeb package to ubuntu ?
[04:46] <crimsun> mantiena: I'll be busy for about 2 more hours, but I'll do it if no one else has done it by then.
[04:47] <mantiena> ok, 2 hours it's not a problem for me ;)
[04:48] <dholbach> mantiena: put it please on MOTUTodo where all the other to-review packages are
[04:48] <dholbach> so we won't forget
[04:48] <dholbach> and try to be patient :-)
[04:49] <dholbach> ok... i'll be off - see you later
[04:52] <Burgundavia> ogra: does qtparted build fine on amd64 now?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> ogra: does qtparted build fine on amd64 now?
[05:07] <ogra> no idea...
[05:07] <Burgundavia> I saw it go by
[05:07] <Burgundavia> so I assume dholbach uploaded it then
[05:07] <Burgundavia> and he has amd64, so I guess he found a fix
[05:07] <ogra> i'm looking at build logs
[05:08] <Burgundavia> ogra: where would I find those, so I that can check in the future?
[05:09] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[05:09] <ogra> Burgundavia, mvo uploaded it
[05:09] <ogra> 11:35 UTC
[05:10] <ogra> Burgundavia, and it built :) thanks for the work :)
[05:10] <Burgundavia> np
[05:11] <lamont> Burgundavia: and http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists is also interesting
[05:12] <Burgundavia> thanks
[05:14] <Burgundavia> what does optional:out-of-date mean?
[05:45] <koke> motus, I have the last shot :)
[05:45] <koke> http://amedias.org/img/menus_default_icon_patch_3.png
[05:46] <koke> I think is the best I can do without a jimmac :)
[05:46] <ogra> koke, looks great, hav you seen the mail ?
[05:47] <koke> ogra: which mail?? ;)
[05:47] <koke> the meeting summary?
[05:48] <Burgundavia> is there no motu mailing list?
[05:49] <ogra> koke, the answer from vincent
[05:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, we are 7 MOTUs currently u-devel@ should be enough
[05:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:50] <ogra> Burgundavia, and until yesterday we all had to catch the bugs via u-users@ so we decided to postpone the decision for a new ML, but we might start one for breezy
[05:51] <koke> ogra: sounds interesting
[05:51] <Burgundavia> now that everything is going in malone, that will be very nice
[05:51] <ogra> Burgundavia, YEP :-D
[05:51] <ogra> yeah, Burgundavia great work...
[05:52] <Burgundavia> koke: so that default icon, that is for things that do not have an icon listed in their .desktop files?
[05:52] <koke> yep
[05:53] <Burgundavia> has that all made its way into hoary yet (is it going in hoary?0
[05:53] <koke> I have to check it with some gnome hacker but it seems to work well
[05:54] <koke> Burgundavia: I made it yesterday after the meeting :)
[05:54] <ogra> Burgundavia, we should include it, yes....to not have menu entries without icon at all
[05:54] <Burgundavia> so will that happen automagically?
[05:55] <ogra> nope...
[05:55] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:55] <Burgundavia> what is the file name for that?
[05:55] <ogra> not yet at least, but a script that scans the .desktop files dir for files with a empty Icon= line would be very welcome
[05:56] <Burgundavia> is that a hint?
[05:56] <ogra> heh, as you like ;)
[05:56] <lamont> |= akregator freewnn gpsbabel iterm kazehakase kipina mod-proxy-html ng-utils oroborus osdclock ppmd pspresent qterm sagasu toursst zope-popyda
[05:56] <Burgundavia> he speaks tongues
[05:57] <koke> ogra: why do you want to search empty Icon='s??
[05:57] <ogra> koke, how else would you suggest to do it ?
[05:57] <koke> ogra: it's done
[05:57] <koke> it's a patch for gnome-panel
[05:57] <koke> :D
[05:58] <ogra> hey, koke....
[05:58] <ogra> did i tell you
[05:58] <koke> if (no icon) use the default one :)
[05:58] <ogra> *YOU ROCK* !!!!
 so will that happen automagically? <-- I guess the answer was YEAH!
[05:58] <koke> :D
[05:58] <ogra> koke, have you talked to seb128 about the patch ?
[05:59] <ogra> since he will be the one to approve it...
[05:59] <koke> ogra: nop, I'm uploading it to my repo before
[05:59] <koke> so he'll be able to test it :)
[06:00] <ogra> koke, but please talk to seb128 (and jdub i guess), i'll be there to help if you need anyone additional from MOTU
[06:00] <koke> but first, my new blog is crying for a first post :)
[06:00] <ogra> yeah
[06:00] <ogra> koke, are you on the planet already ?
[06:01] <ogra> koke, also a thing to tell jdub ;)
[06:01] <koke> ogra: not yet
[06:02] <ogra> koke, and i'm not sure if the patch should be against gnome-panel or gnome-menus, probably something to ask seb first
[06:03] <koke> ogra: I guess it's gnome-panel but can't bet on it :)
[06:03] <ogra> lets ask
[06:34] <ogra> wb
[06:34] <dholbach> re
[06:37] <koke> why the hell all good xml editors are written in Java??
[06:37] <koke> http://vex.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[06:37] <koke> :(
[06:37] <dholbach> mlview! conglomerate!
[06:40] <Burgundavia> conglomerate is not bad, but very beta
[06:40] <ogra> dholbach, conglomerate is usable for you ?
[06:40] <ogra> mlview is great though
[06:40] <dholbach> i know it exists.... the conglomerate advocate isnt here
[06:40] <dholbach> mlview rocks
[06:40] <ogra> yup
[06:41] <koke> dholbach: have you tried xxe (xmlmind xml editor)??
[06:41] <dholbach> and has the best german translation around ;-)
[06:41] <koke> it's just great, but non-free :(
[06:41] <dholbach> koke: no didnt try it
[06:49] <koke> have to go
[06:49] <koke> my grandma's birthday :)
[06:49] <ogra> oh, congrats from germany
[06:49] <koke> she's 80 today
[06:49] <ogra> wow
[06:49] <koke> see you
[06:49] <dholbach> have a nice party :-)
[06:57] <dholbach> hi mdz
[06:58] <mdz> morning
[06:59] <ogra> hey mdz
[07:00] <lamont> |= lablgtk2-doc python-gnome tleenx2 vnc4
[07:01] <ogra> lamont, do you ever stop ?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> he speaks in tongues, with many gnomish pythons coming out of his mouth
[07:02] <lamont> ogra: I just look over and see new mail.. :0)
[07:03] <lamont> Burgundavia: nah - that's just me adding more work to the list for motu..
[07:03] <ogra> heh, Burgundavia thats the secret motu code ;)
[07:04] <Burgundavia> ya, but it looks mighty wierd to the uninitiated
[07:04] <ogra> Burgundavia, you'll get there ;)
[07:04] <Burgundavia> is is bad when you understand it or when you don't?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[07:04] <lamont> Burgundavia: heh
[07:05] <lamont> Burgundavia: fwiw, actually understanding that requires context from yesterday, possibly today
[07:05] <ogra> Burgundavia, thats a "point of view" thing i guess
[07:05] <lamont> Burgundavia: along with knowing that I don't normally say anything here...
[07:05] <Burgundavia> I saw the stuff go by earlier about broken package builds
[07:05] <lamont> that's the one
[07:05] <ogra> Burgundavia, if you undersatnd it youre one of the ppl that never sleep....its a requirement, ask dholbach
[07:06] <lamont> ogra: heh
[07:06] <Burgundavia> does anybody elses synaptic now bounce?
[07:06] <lamont> Burgundavia: I'm taking the list of failures from people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/, and removing all the ones that have no successful builds (for that version) on any architecture.
[07:07] <lamont> so it's a slightly less daunting list than the byDate lists
[07:09] <Burgundavia> ah locales rebuild
[07:10] <lamont> amd64 4361
[07:10] <lamont> i386 3492
[07:10] <lamont> ia64 4694
[07:10] <lamont> powerpc 5355
[07:10] <lamont> for those keeping score (needs-build)
[07:11] <ogra> sabdfl, have a second for something i dont want to discuss in a channel ?
[07:29] <herve> hi all!
[07:30] <ogra> hi herve !
[07:35] <herve> reading the meeting report... I don't get the point of importing apt-get.org's packages
[07:37] <ogra> herve, the idea is really great...its just not the right time for it we think, but anyway, dholbach assembles a list currently we will go through this weekend together....
[07:37] <ogra> so lets see how much we can get in :)
[07:38] <herve> yes it's premature
[07:38] <herve> and as I said to dholbach, I agree people can request packages for inclusion
[07:38] <herve> but mass importing...
[07:39] <ogra> if you got all .deb packages that are available in the world in universe, nobody needs to fuck his/her sources list :)
[07:39] <lamont> herve: just think of it as your one-stop-shop for packages that might build
[07:40] <lamont> herve: they can't request an import to hoary after it closes though.
[07:40] <herve> hoary is out of the way
[07:40] <herve> I can't even see the light of python transition...
[07:41] <ogra> herve, the sad thing is that we absolutely werent prepared for that and got struck by it in the meeting yesterday (thats why my meeting report sounded a bit bitter)
[07:41] <lamont> if I were an motu, I'd be tempted to just focus on all the stuff that is already there, and worry about the new stuff post-hoary.  AIUI, the object if all the source in the world in universe/multiverse.  actual binaries considered wonderful if it happens.
[07:42] <lamont> s/object if/object is/
[07:42] <ogra> and i think its unfair to the NEW candidates if we let in all the apt-get org stuff, but hey have to wait some weeks until their packages get review
[07:43] <Burgundavia> there is no particular reason we can't just wait until someone requests it before it gets imported
[07:43] <herve> lamont, I agree there are packages unknow to Debian deserve to enter ubuntu
[07:43] <herve> lamont, it's just too soon, and too much work for the actual crew
[07:44] <lamont> herve: I didn't say that I didn't sympathize...
[07:45] <ogra> Burgundavia, its really a great idea, but we cant match our QA standard we worked out in the last meeting anymore, thats what makes me sad, if we knew it earlier we could have worked it out....
[07:45] <Burgundavia> ogra: ?
[07:45] <herve> and why now? so close to hoary release...
[07:46] <ogra> herve, i think it was decided a while ago, the information just didnt get through to us
[07:46] <ogra> Burgundavia, the import i mean...
[07:47] <Burgundavia> I am confused about if you support wholesale import or not
[07:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, i support it, its not my decision and i understand the intention behind it, i'm pretty sad we couldnt take it into account in our decisions before, thats it....(and yes, yesterday i was really angry about it, but the more i think about it the more i like it)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:49] <Burgundavia> just wondering
[07:50] <Burgundavia> it does seem odd to me
[07:50] <herve> ogra, it's a good idea, but a mid-term idea
[07:50] <Burgundavia> is this planned before hoary or after?
[07:50] <herve> when the crew has doubled, first of all
[07:50] <ogra> Burgundavia, the big problem here is to make sure we dont import root kits, heavy data loss bugs etc, and the time is to short forit
[07:51] <Burgundavia> we are talking before hoary releases?
[07:51] <ogra> yep
[07:51] <Burgundavia> wow
[07:51] <herve> what about the opposite, those packagers/maintainers asking for the inclusion of their packages in universe?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> are we doing everything?
[07:51] <herve> Burgundavia, unbelievable
[07:52] <Burgundavia> there is a lot to be done for universe anyway
[07:52] <Burgundavia> s/for/in
[07:53] <ogra> my main problem with it is, we have established a QA process for NEW packages going in and it would be unfair to the packagers to treat these different from the apt-get.org ones, so we have to drop the whole QA process for now if we want to be honest to the people
[07:53] <Burgundavia> good point
[07:54] <ogra> thats what made me (and many others in the meeting yesterday) sad about it....and its mirrored in my report ...
[07:55] <ogra> (this feeling)
[07:55] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:56] <ogra> but anyway, it nothing to discuss, as i said, dholbach assembles the list and we'll go through it to see what we can do
[07:56] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:56] <herve> it's a target for badger, not for hoary we already have hard time to get frozen
[07:56] <ogra> some things will have to fall off the table
[07:57] <ogra> thats the thing with release schedules ;)
[07:57] <herve> dholbach, ping
[07:57] <dholbach> herve: pong
[07:57] <herve> dholbach, ha, I was about to say it doesn't seem you're here :-)
[07:58] <dholbach> i came back 4 minutes ago and read through the backlog, but didn't want to comment :-)
[07:58] <herve> do you have time to check siq-qt3?
[07:58] <dholbach> it's now all about getting work done and having as much as possible with it
[07:59] <dholbach> herve: first i'll do Burgundavia's crack then yours, then get on with list-assembling
[07:59] <dredg> i missed all this yesterday. what's the apt-get.org thing?
[07:59] <herve> dholbach, would you prefer I ask someone else?
[07:59] <dholbach> herve: no... it's perfectly alright
[07:59] <ogra> dredg, the plan is to import as much as possible into universe from there
[07:59] <herve> dredg, third-party packagers' work
[07:59] <dholbach> Burgundavia: you saw the new qtparted upload?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> dholbach: yes
[08:00] <Burgundavia> what was wrong?
[08:00] <dredg> hmm
[08:00] <dholbach> Burgundavia: if you add your desktop changes to it, we should be fine
[08:00] <dholbach> Burgundavia: built against new libparted... dunno the exact changes, but should be fine now
[08:00] <ogra> Burgundavia, did you see what koke did ?
[08:00] <dredg> i think i agree with pitti
[08:00] <Burgundavia> ogra: not in specifics
[08:00] <herve> dredg, I would have said "amateur" but I don't know if the English sense is positive or not :-)
[08:01] <ogra> Burgundavia, http://koke.amedias.org/
[08:01] <herve> nvu in the NEW queue of Debian, *this* is to import in hoary :-)
[08:01] <dredg> herve: yeah, i've seen apt-get.org. i know someone listed on it, but he knows what he's doing (the apticron package, which is really really useful)
[08:02] <Burgundavia> ogra: oh the default icon thing
[08:02] <ogra> yup
[08:03] <herve> at first I didn't like the idea of an icon repeated in a row
[08:03] <ogra> herve, its not great, bu its the best we can do :-P
[08:03] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I will pull the latest down and tweak that and get you the changes
[08:03] <herve> but this one is neutral enough and not disruptive
[08:03] <dholbach> Burgundavia: why you use the .xpm?
[08:04] <ogra> dholbach, its easier in a patch ;)
[08:04] <dholbach> it's not in the patch :-)
[08:04] <ogra> oh
[08:04] <dholbach> the change is:
[08:04] <dholbach> -Icon=/usr/share/gazpacho/pixmaps/gazpacho-icon.png
[08:04] <dholbach> +Icon=gazpacho-debian.xpm
[08:04] <herve> ogra, use base64 coding ;-)
[08:04] <Burgundavia> dholbach: huh?
[08:04] <ogra> herve, i do, but still, xmp is the cooles in a patch ;)
[08:05] <Burgundavia> dholbach: the xpm is already shipped but not used
[08:05] <dholbach> but the xpm surely looks ugly compared to the .png?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:05] <ogra> Burgundavia, but if there is a png, its better to use that
[08:05] <Burgundavia> ogra: ok
[08:05] <herve> ogra, I kinda agree, I most of all like the "ascii art" feature!
[08:05] <ogra> hehe
[08:05] <dholbach> Burgundavia: did you do the   gazpacho-0.5.2/gazpacho/files.py    changes?
[08:06] <herve> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6.1
[08:06] <herve> what's that ".1" version?
[08:06] <tritium> herve, where did you read the meeting report?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> dholbach: oops
[08:06] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I will tweak that and get it to you
[08:06] <herve> tritium, ubuntu-devel, -users, and probably somewhere on the wiki
[08:06] <dholbach> Burgundavia: did you or didnt you?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> dholbach: nope
[08:06] <tritium> herve, thanks
[08:06] <dholbach> hmmm
[08:07] <dholbach> Burgundavia: do a debdiff, before you send it
[08:07] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:07] <dholbach> i'll get on with herve's package
[08:07] <herve> s/sparsely/carefully
[08:07] <herve> dholbach, take an aspirin before!
[08:08] <ogra> sabdfl ... another ping
[08:08] <herve> I go cook and eat meanwhile
[08:08] <ogra> (not about apt-get.org stuff)
[08:09] <herve> ogra, ;-)
[08:09] <herve> (whoops I'm away!)
[08:09] <ogra> herve, then comback ;)
[08:09] <ogra> come back even
[08:09] <herve> you'll never catch me!!!
[08:10] <ogra> heh, no, my arm doesnt reach to france from here
[08:10] <schweeb> dholbach: hey, I was told you'd be a good person to talk to about interest in MOTU
[08:10] <dholbach> schweeb: nice to hear, how are you?
[08:11] <schweeb> good good
[08:11] <dholbach> nice :-)
[08:12] <dholbach> so you'd like to get involved, tackle bugs with us, get packages in, maintain the universe and be part of a rocking crew?
[08:12] <schweeb> of course ;)
[08:12] <dholbach> rocking
[08:12] <ogra> yeah
[08:13] <dholbach> if you're not afraid of long lists, a bit familiar with the build process and manage to get a pbuilder up (PbuilderHowto): let the games begin :-)
[08:13] <schweeb> I've got a basic understanding of packages currently
[08:13] <dholbach> cool
[08:13] <schweeb> and metallikop said he'd introduce me to pbuilder
[08:13] <ogra> good start
[08:14] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto    is quite good
[08:14] <schweeb> and I've packaged gsf-sharp (which I submitted to jdub, dunno if he actually plans on uploading it or what)
[08:15] <mantien1> crimsun: have you uploaded gnome-apt package already ?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> mantien1: it will get uploaded when it gets uploaded
[08:16] <mantien1> Burgundavia: very clear
[08:17] <dholbach> schweeb: nice to have you around
[08:18] <dholbach> schweeb: so if you got  pbuilder  rocking, we'll be able to push you towards some easy cases, so you see what the MOTUness feels like :-)
[08:18] <schweeb> heh, alright
[08:19] <schweeb> I was just using a regular chroot before, lol
[08:19] <dholbach> herve: *testbuilding*
[08:20] <herve> dholbach, debdiff review's conclusion?
[08:20] <dholbach> herve: looks nice
[08:21] <herve> you're kidding me ;-)
[08:22] <dholbach> no
[08:22] <herve> schweeb, you join the team? ROCK!
[08:23] <schweeb> might as well, best way for me to contribute to OSS, as I'm not a coder
[08:23] <herve> I want to read it as "I'm making real progress"!
[08:23] <herve> schweeb, there are so many ways for a non coder to help
[08:24] <schweeb> heh, I'm also big on testing/bug reporting
[08:24] <dholbach> herve: that was REALLY good work
[08:25] <dholbach> herve: i'm so glad you're in the team.... and i really mean it
[08:25] <herve> dholbach, thank you so much!
[08:25] <herve> schweeb, a game you might like is finding the missing build deps of some packages
[08:26] <Burgundavia> I have run into this twice now
[08:26] <herve> ogra, what do you think about building, cleaning, then building again a package in the rules file ;-)
[08:26] <Burgundavia> in order to have the .desktop file play nice and have a relative path, I need to move the icon
[08:27] <Burgundavia> but the program also references that file
[08:27] <Burgundavia> so should I take the easy road and have an absolute path in the .desktop?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> should I have 2 copies?
[08:28] <ogra> herve, huh ?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> should I modify the source to look in /usr/share/pixamps?
[08:28] <herve> Burgundavia, have you checked what dh_installdesktop does?
[08:28] <herve> ogra, nevermind
[08:28] <ogra> herve, sounded a bit weird to me ....
[08:29] <herve> ogra, actually I build for py2.3, clean upstream, then build for py2.4
[08:29] <herve> that's the best hack I found
[08:29] <Burgundavia> herve: you mean dh_desktop?
[08:29] <herve> the makefile isn't much flexible
[08:31] <ogra> herve, if its only for the cleanout it sounds ok, if you do it in the actual uploaded package it sounds weird ;)
[08:31] <herve> Burgundavia, just saw that name in debhelper
[08:31] <Burgundavia> herve: it doesn't install, just registers them after the fact
[08:31] <herve> ha ok
[08:33] <Burgundavia> ya, I got exciting too
[08:33] <Burgundavia> s/exciting/excited
[08:33] <Burgundavia> dholbach: forget about gazpacho. I am going to defer the .desktop files that work but need work (ie, non relative paths, until after hoary)
[08:33] <dholbach> alright
[08:34] <dholbach> Burgundavia: if you want to help out, have a look at UniverseDoesNotBuild
[08:34] <dholbach> there are some cases which just need a changed build-depends
[08:34] <Burgundavia> dholbach: ok
[08:34] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I will play there then
[08:34] <dholbach> or having a look at {packages,bugs}.debian.org to see, if we can get something from them
[08:37] <dholbach> i will work on the UniverseDoesNotBuild list for 2 minutes
[08:37] <dholbach> so please hold your breath for that long :-)
[08:38] <ogra> mm 2mins no breathing ...
[08:40] <dholbach> done
[08:40] <ogra> pffffffff
[08:40] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I have a .diff.gz/.dsc for the qtparted changes. I have built and tested on my machine
[08:41] <dholbach> looks good? menu entry ok?
[08:41] <dholbach> if you have no webspace, mail it
[08:42] <dholbach> ok... links are broken in doesnotbuild
[08:42] <dholbach> will fix it
[08:43] <Burgundavia> dholbach: yep the menu entry on needed tweaking to use kdesu from gksudo
[08:43] <dholbach> right
[08:43] <dholbach> Burgundavia: will kde-folks have gksudo?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> dholbach: kdesu does the same job
[08:44] <Burgundavia> it has been hacked to provide sudo
[08:44] <Burgundavia> already confirmed with them on that
[08:44] <dholbach> so they will 100% positively have it?
[08:45] <herve> encolpe, plop
[08:46] <Burgundavia> dholbach: they already have it and I have tested it
[08:46] <dholbach> rock
[08:46] <dholbach> send the mail :-)
[08:46] <Burgundavia> I wouldn't give it to you if it didn't work
[08:46] <dholbach> sorry for being so anal, but i already uploaded a good bunch of crack :-)
[08:46] <encolpe> hi
[08:47] <Burgundavia> dholbach: the more anal you are, the better ubuntu is
[08:47] <Burgundavia> dholbach: it is better to ask these questions than not
[08:47] <dholbach> yeah... that's how i feel towards it too :-)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> I personally want my packages ripped apart
[08:47] <Burgundavia> that is how you learn
[08:51] <jani> evening all
[08:51] <herve> hey jani!
[08:51] <dholbach> hey jani
[08:54] <siretart> evening folks!
[08:54] <dholbach> hey siretart
[08:55] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[08:55] <crimsun> mantien1: looking now.
[08:55] <herve> whoops
[08:55] <siretart> I added wpasupplicant to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync. Debian has new upstream, which fixes several quite important bugs..
[08:56] <jani> dholbach what are MOTU priorities right now?
[08:56] <ajmitch> hi
[08:56] <herve> hi siretart, ajmitch
[08:56] <dholbach> jani: UniverseDoesNotBuild
[08:56] <ajmitch> siretart: what problems? I've been using it here
[08:56] <dholbach> i'm working on a list which has debian's popcon info in it
[08:57] <dholbach> so we know what to fix and what not
[08:57] <herve> doko, you noticed you forgot "1" in sip4's revision number, after "ubuntu"?
[08:58] <herve> should I use 1 or 2 then?
[08:58] <siretart> ajmitch: for me, for example http://bugs.debian.org/294909, wpasupplicant is quite heavy in development, and having recent version around seems to solve some problems..
[08:58] <dholbach> herve: just fix it
[08:58] <herve> dholbach, rewriting history? :-)
[08:58] <dholbach> er no
[08:58] <ogra> herve, never upload the same version twice
[08:58] <herve> ogra, of course, but that's not the matter :-)
[08:59] <ogra> except elmo tells you to do :)
[08:59] <ajmitch> siretart: right, I'm using madwifi as well, I guess I didn't look into stuff very much :)
[08:59] <ogra> ah, ok
[08:59] <dholbach> what about UniverseXosdRebuildTODO ?
[08:59] <herve> I'll pretend he versionned its upload "ubuntu1"
[09:00] <herve> s/its/his
[09:01] <dholbach> how do i shell-script "throw out newlines"?
[09:02] <herve> dos2unix?
[09:02] <herve> "while read" in bash?
[09:02] <dholbach> erm... i mean empty lines
[09:03] <schweeb> wow
[09:03] <herve> something like "grep -v ^$" maybe
[09:03] <schweeb> pbuilder is sweet!
[09:03] <dholbach> alright, thanks herve
[09:03] <dholbach> schweeb: it's superb
[09:03] <crimsun> that is is, schweeb.
[09:03] <crimsun> it is, rather.
[09:03] <schweeb> I just found 2 deps on that gsf-sharp package I didn't know about
[09:03] <schweeb> s/deps/build-deps/
[09:05] <jani> did anyone manage to get pbuilder working with the local apt-cache?
[09:06] <jani> even if I set it it tries to go to the net
[09:07] <jani> dhobach many of unidon't build errors are xorg debconfing errors in packages that use X.
[09:08] <herve> jani, I thought of adding a vhost to apache pointing to /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:08] <jani> look like xinerama dependencies missing
[09:08] <herve> and adding that source into pbuilder's sources
[09:08] <lamont> 3dwm bbdate clisp elastic gnue-navigator gnue-reports wmressel wmxres xautolock xdiskusage xfcalendar xfce-mcs-manager xfce-mcs-plugins xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-iconbox xfce4-minicmd-plugin xfce4-mixer xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes-plugin xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-showdesktop-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-systray xfce4-toys xfce4-trigger-launcher xfce4-utils xfce4-wea
[09:08] <lamont> ther-plugin xfdesktop4 xfprint4 xfs-xtt
[09:08] <dholbach> jani: yeah... should be easy to fix, did a couple of them myself
[09:08] <herve> (and generating Packages.gz in between of course)
[09:08] <jani> herve I though about things like that myself eg squid
[09:08] <siretart> I'm quite confused, can somebody explain me this: 3ddesktop seems to ftbfs acording to this http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/3/3ddesktop/0.2.7-1/. But there are binaries in the archive. How comes?
[09:08] <lamont> that's the buildd's way of saying that amd64 is catching up. :-)
[09:09] <dholbach> lamont: Timestamp: last failed build: 20050323-1929 :-)
[09:09] <jani> but I read in a mail it is suppoesd to work simply by settinb gthe path
[09:09] <lamont> siretart: that's the issue
[09:09] <lamont> it has regressed, and is no longer buildable
[09:09] <herve> jani, a dedicated apt cacher is another option
[09:09] <lamont> siretart: specifically, it was last built before we switched from xfree86 to xorg
[09:09] <schweeb> how can you generate just the diff and the .dsc w/o having to run dpkg-buildpackage?
[09:10] <siretart> lamont: ah, now I understand! Thanks for the pointer
[09:10] <lamont> schweeb: dpkg-source -b foo-vers in the parent directory
[09:10] <jani> schweeb dpkg-builpackage -S
[09:10] <tritium> RICKARD, J.T., and DILLARD, G.M.:  Adaptive detection algorithms for multiple target situations , IEEE Trans., 1977, AES-13, (41, pp. 338-343
[09:10] <tritium> dangit, sorry...
[09:10] <schweeb> thx
[09:10] <lamont> schweeb: which is waht dpkg-buildpackage -S invokes, btw.
[09:10] <schweeb> ;)
[09:12] <schweeb> wtf
[09:12] <schweeb> unsafe ownership on my gpg config?
[09:12] <herve> someone to upload a trivial change?
[09:13] <herve> schweeb, check chown and chmod
[09:13] <schweeb> ahh, whoops, I did sudo instead of fakeroot
[09:13] <herve> schweeb, building a package as root? hoooooo... ;-)
[09:13] <schweeb> I know better
[09:16] <siretart> I uploaded a fixed 3ddesktop package here: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/3ddesktop/
[09:16] <crimsun> siretart: on MOTUToDo please?
[09:16] <siretart> just a moment..
[09:18] <herve> crimsun, strange, it seems you already fixed rpy but it was marked as "being transitioned"
[09:19] <crimsun> herve: err, hmm.  Did you claim it?
[09:19] <crimsun> (sorry for stepping on your toes if you did)
[09:19] <herve> crimsun, d3vic3 but I took it from him (after asking)
[09:20] <crimsun> herve: ah, ok.  Yeah, it was listed in unresolved when I had it.
[09:20] <crimsun> thanks for the clarification.
[09:20] <herve> crimsun, and for gmailfs? you were waiting for an upload and I think it's here
[09:20] <crimsun> herve: working on it this afternoon.
[09:20] <herve> thanks for having worked on it ;)-
[09:20] <herve> ok, I leave it to you then
[09:21] <siretart> crimsun: I added my respoitory to MOTUTodo. I hope I didn't miss anything..
[09:21] <herve> I'll look at that m2crypto thing
[09:21] <herve> siretart, looks good
[09:21] <crimsun> mantien1: uploaded.
[09:21] <siretart> :)
[09:22] <crimsun> siretart: great, thanks.
[09:26] <crimsun> back in a bit
[09:28] <lamont> |= gnue-navigator gnue-reports
[09:36] <dholbach> could someone give me the sed-bit to make    "abc def ghi" ->  "abc" ?
[09:36] <dholbach> ("def") is fixed
[09:36] <herve> sorry I couldn't help
[09:37] <herve> I made my first sed rule just yesterday :-)
[09:37] <dholbach> my sed-fu is soooo bad :-/
[09:38] <herve> what about awk?
[09:39] <dholbach> dunno either
[09:39] <herve> erm... maybe I need a real example
[09:40] <dholbach> two lines:    "foo test bla" -> "foo"    and   "bar test 123" -> "bar"
[09:40] <schweeb> heh
[09:40] <dholbach> "test" is fix
[09:41] <herve> let's try it... "s,(.*) test (.*),$1,"
[09:41] <herve> not tested at all :-)
[09:44] <siretart> dholbach: perhaps: cat "abc def ghi" | awk ' { print $1 } ' ?
[09:44] <siretart> s/cat/echo/
[09:44] <dholbach> thanks siretart - WORKED
[09:44] <dholbach> :-)
[09:45] <dholbach> one day i'll do "sed/awk in 24h", i promise
[09:45] <siretart> ;)
[09:50] <siretart> gna, to fix fdclock, I need to add 2 includes to the source file "fdclock.c". This is a cdbs package. Am I right to assume that I need to add something like dpatch to the package in order to fix that?
[09:51] <siretart> I suppose that directly editing fdclock.c is not the way god intended to do..
[09:51] <herve> definitely not :-)
[09:51] <siretart> ok, then dpatch..
[09:51] <lamont> dholbach: of course, that last one just prints the first field of each line...
[09:51] <lamont> what exactly do you want to do?
[09:53] <dholbach> lamont: i'm compiling a list of packages that fail in any way, that are anywhere on our wiki's list
[09:53] <dholbach> now only UniverseDoesNotBuild is the only one that's left
[09:54] <dholbach> i have a script in place to get me the matches on two lists, so i can compare with debian-popcon-list most easily
[09:54] <dholbach> so we have a course of action
[09:54] <lamont> ok.
[09:55] <lamont> and so you want any line with 'def' in it to give you the first field?
[09:55] <schweeb> anyone feel like going over my gsf-sharp package and critiquing it, since jdub's not around?
[09:55] <dholbach> lamont: i fixed that by now :-)
[09:55] <dholbach> lamont: now i need to get   asis    out of   a/asis/3.15p-4/asis_3.15p-4_20050322-0648 asis_3.15p-4_20050322-0648
[09:55] <lamont> dholbach: well, the last one siretart gave you was unconditionally-print-the-first-field...
[09:55] <dholbach> i'm such a loser :-)
[09:55] <dholbach> lamont: that was fine, doublechecked in on my list
[09:56] <lamont> cut -d/ -f2
[09:56] <dholbach> oh rock
[09:56] <dholbach> *having a look
[09:56] <dholbach> I CAN'T BELIEVE IT
[09:56] <dholbach> lamont: i owe you a beer at UDU, YOU ROCK! :-)
[09:57] <lamont> echo $(ls $(sed 's/[0-9] *://; s/^.*of //; s/ .*$//; /^lib/s/\(....\)/\1\/\1/; /[^\/] /s/\(.\)/\1\/\1/; s/_\(.*\)/\/*\1_*.deb/') 2>/dev/null | cut -d/ -f2 | sort -u)
[09:57] <lamont> burried in that is the inverse
[09:57] <dholbach> oh nice
[09:57] <dholbach> thank you so very much
[09:57] <lamont> that's my magical command to turn mutt summaries into a list of packages that have debs...
[09:58] <lamont> so it turns      1367 Log for failed build of xffm4_4.0.6-1 (dist=hoary-test)
[09:58] <lamont>  into x/xffm4/*4.0.6-1_*
[09:59] <lamont> sed is your friend, you see..
[09:59] <dholbach> yes... can be :-)
[09:59] <Burgundavia> regarding stuff that doesn't build, where should I start when looking at all that output?
[10:00] <lamont> dholbach: you want the 'installed in hoary but not in hoary-test' lists?
[10:00] <dholbach> Burgundavia: at the end... just before the purging/removing
[10:00] <Burgundavia> dholbach: ok
[10:00] <dholbach> lamont: what does "installed" in that case mean?
[10:00] <lamont> Installed == in the archvie
[10:01] <lamont> is wanna-build state
[10:01] <dholbach> lamont: yeah... do you have it somewhere?
[10:01] <lamont> needs-build -> building -> uploaded -> installed (with deviations for the others..)
[10:01] <lamont> not yet.
[10:01] <dholbach> lamont: take your time... i'll go and compare my list to popcon
[10:01] <lamont> just about have things hacked to dump the hoary-test states into buildLogs/Test/Lists
[10:02] <dholbach> until now we have 461 entries - how does that sound? :-)
[10:03] <lamont> hrm... that's total failed, or total regressions?>
[10:03] <dholbach> total motutodo
[10:03] <lamont> ah, then not unreasonable
[10:03] <dholbach> it's compiled from various lists we have
[10:04] <Burgundavia> I have seen 3 errors regarding Xinerma
[10:04] <Burgundavia> erama
[10:04] <dholbach> Burgundavia: which package?
[10:05] <lamont>      2370 Log for failed build of afterstep_2.00.03dfsg-1 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont>       763 Log for failed build of hotkeys_0.5.7.2ubuntu1 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont>      1494 Log for failed build of icewm_1.2.18-1 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont>       418 Log for failed build of osdclock_0.5-11 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <Burgundavia> icewm, hotkeys and golem
[10:05] <lamont>       704 Log for failed build of xdiskusage_1.48-3 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont>       809 Log for failed build of xfcalendar_0.1.9-1 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont>       795 Log for failed build of xfprint4_4.0.6-1 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont>       889 Log for failed build of xfwm4_4.0.6-1 (dist=hoary-test)
[10:05] <lamont> and, of course xfce*
[10:06] <dholbach> Burgundavia: try adding libxinerama-dev to build-depends
[10:06] <lamont> Burgundavia: a few of those are on the todo list already for xorg transition
[10:07] <lamont> dholbach: Burgundavia: and that'll get you to the _next_ missing build-dep... (there are usually between 1 and 3)
[10:07] <dholbach> lamont: yeah... but you'll hopefully get to the   "-L<bla> is missing"  stanza :-)
[10:08] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:08] <herve> have you already had to add libsvga1-dev to build-deps?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> what is control.tmpl?
[10:16] <herve> probably just a temporary file
[10:16] <herve> do you have a control.in too?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:19] <Burgundavia> just control
[10:19] <herve> my guess was that some variables were expanded
[10:20] <herve> except debhelper's own of course
[10:20] <Burgundavia> one package on lamonts list down
[10:20] <Burgundavia> and a python one transitioned too
[10:21] <herve> which python one?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/f/freedict/1.1-4/freedict_1.1-4_20050323-1422-i386-failed
[10:21] <Burgundavia> just needed to be told 2.4 not 2.3
[10:21] <Burgundavia> as we don't have its 2.3 dep anymore
[10:22] <herve> Burgundavia, add it to the python transition todo then
[10:23] <Burgundavia> will do
[10:27] <siretart> ok, next ftbfs package fixed: fdclock. this one was a bit trickier, I needed to add 2 includes for building. Not sure why it could be built in the first place
[10:27] <lamont> herve: remember that libsvga1 doesn't exist on all architectures....
[10:29] <herve> lamont, tell that to gcompris :-)
[10:29] <herve> lamont, "Depends: [...] , libsvga1-dev [i386] , [...] " should do it?
[10:30] <lamont> herve: I expect so
[10:32] <herve> will do that, thanks
[10:35] <schweeb> dholbach: should I add it to the MOTUNewPackages page, or is that to be done by a reviewer?
[10:36] <dholbach> schweeb: go ahead - add it please
[10:36] <schweeb> under the "Reviews" portion?
[10:37] <dholbach> no... in the table before that one
[10:37] <dholbach> hey koke
[10:37] <dholbach> koke: how was the birthday?
[10:37] <herve> hi koke
[10:37] <koke> it was well :)
[10:37] <dholbach> did you tell her our congratulations?
[10:38] <koke> yep, I've commented all the motu team knew the birthday :)
[10:38] <dholbach> woohoo
[10:38] <herve> er... not me, what was that?
[10:38] <dholbach> herve: his grandma had her 80th birthday today
[10:39] <herve> ho contragulations to her, koke
[10:40] <schweeb> dholbach: alright, added
[10:41] <herve> another package ready for upload \o/
[10:43] <herve> no one was working on poker3d?
[10:44] <schweeb> if anyone wants to review a new package, I've put gsf-sharp on MOTUNewPackages
[10:46] <herve> schweeb, it will be after hoary release now, for me
[10:49] <schweeb> herve: you mean you couldn't review until then, or you don't want it in until hoary+1?
[10:50] <herve> I mean I won't have time
[10:50] <schweeb> k
[10:50] <herve> I don't have to power to take such a decision :-)
[10:50] <schweeb> haha
[10:50] <schweeb> it just has to be signed off on by 3 MOTUs
[10:51] <schweeb> jdub's already signed off on it ;)
[10:51] <schweeb> (so 2 MOTUs, 1 maintainer/member/?)
[10:51] <dholbach> schweeb: did he have a look at it already? :-)
[10:51] <schweeb> he looked at my initial package, yes... I just added a revision
[10:52] <schweeb> 2 build deps (which I discovered due to pbuilder)
[10:52] <dholbach> ok
[10:52] <dholbach> then let him sign it off himself, so he knows, he's to blame :-)
[10:53] <schweeb> he basically said to throw it to MOTUs, and say that he had reviewed it
[10:53] <dholbach> then let him sign it off himself, so he knows, he's to blame :-)
[10:53] <dholbach> ;-)
[10:54] <Burgundavia> dholbach: tomboy looks like an easy fix, for someone who has amd64
[10:55] <dholbach> Burgundavia: it isnt... mono doesnt work on amd64 :-)
[10:55] <dholbach> and in case you have amd64-related trouble, ping ogra or me
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dholbach: ah
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dholbach: that would be why -cil wasn't available
[10:56] <dholbach> yeah
[10:56] <Burgundavia> bumber
[10:56] <Burgundavia> bummer
[10:57] <ogra> koke ? seen u-d ?
[10:57] <koke> ogra: yep :)
[10:58] <ogra> great (seen it)
[11:01] <Burgundavia> u-d?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> when we dont have a diff.gz, how do I incrememnt the package number?
[11:03] <dholbach> 0.34 -> 0.34ubuntu1
[11:03] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:05] <Burgundavia> should that rename the dir?
[11:07] <dholbach> yeah...  dch  should change the dir
[11:07] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:07] <Burgundavia> just checking
[11:07] <dholbach> *grabbing food* *preparing black tea*
[11:08] <herve> dholbach, food?! have you seen the time! :-)
[11:08] <dholbach> herve: the night is still young and 24967246 things to do :-)
[11:09] <schweeb> dholbach: alright, jdub reviewed and added his comments now :p
[11:09] <dholbach> yeah good one
[11:09] <Burgundavia> dholbach: Niall already did this package I just did as well
[11:09] <Burgundavia> but I tightened by build deps further
[11:10] <Burgundavia> s/by/the
[11:10] <dholbach> ping him :-)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> is he on irc?
[11:10] <dholbach> dredg
[11:10] <Burgundavia> dredg: ping
[11:11] <Burgundavia> seen this: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[11:11] <Burgundavia> that is a general comment
[11:12] <dredg> hmm?
[11:12] <Burgundavia> dredg: you worked on toursst
[11:12] <dredg> dholbach / Burgundavia: what's up?
[11:12] <dredg> oh yes.
[11:13] <Burgundavia> dredg: I noticed you change 2.3-->2.5. is there a reason it went to 5 instead of 4?
[11:13] <dredg> i cannot remember :-/
[11:13] <Burgundavia> it builds with 4, but I wondered
[11:14] <Burgundavia> I was also more agressive about the cdbs build dep
[11:14] <dredg> Burgundavia: sorry, i've been working crazy hours these last few weeks and i honestly can't remember anything of the packages i've previously worked on
[11:14] <Burgundavia> dredg: so I guess, should I just send dholbach my .dsc?
[11:15] <dredg> please do.
[11:15] <dholbach> Burgundavia: i'd highly appreciate it, if you had a piece of webspace somewhere
[11:15] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I will acquire one before the day is out
[11:15] <dholbach> Burgundavia: since i'm busy and already sent one of your packages to herve for review
[11:15] <Burgundavia> even if it just a free server I can dump stuff on for now
[11:16] <dredg> actually, i'm now checking out of any MOTU work for the next few weeks. i'm really really sorry, but i'm under far too much pressure with my day job currently
[11:17] <herve> Burgundavia, speaking of that
[11:17] <Burgundavia> herve: yes
[11:18] <herve> you should have updated control.tmpl instead of control
[11:18] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:18] <Burgundavia> not an issue
[11:18] <dredg> not that i've been active in any way lately. man i feel crap.
[11:18] <Burgundavia> what is the difference?
[11:18] <herve> as the previous changelog entry said, it's not to be forgotten :-)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> I saw that, but haven't seen a .tmpl before
[11:18] <herve> Burgundavia, looking at the rules files, control is generated from this file
[11:18] <Burgundavia> herve: ok
[11:18] <herve> me neither, nor google
[11:19] <herve> that's my only concern so far
[11:19] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:19] <Burgundavia> which app is this again?
[11:19] <herve> freedict
[11:19] <siretart> gn8, folks!
[11:20] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:20] <herve> ... ha ok, get it! good night siretart!
[11:20] <herve> Burgundavia, don't change the revision number for that change
[11:20] <herve> I'll try building it afterwards
[11:21] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:25] <Burgundavia> herve: that is horrible hack
[11:26] <lamont> dholbach: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary-test.report.i386
[11:26] <dholbach> lamont: looking
[11:26] <herve> Burgundavia, build control that way?
[11:26] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:26] <dredg> hmm, seems elmo sorted my uploading abilities. win.
[11:26] <lamont> about 200kb, sorry
[11:26] <herve> Burgundavia, it's worth another hack ;-)
[11:26] <herve> Burgundavia, but I agree it's obscure
[11:27] <herve> Burgundavia, speaking of it
[11:27] <dholbach> dredg: ROCK
[11:27] <Burgundavia> herve: yes?
[11:27] <dredg> a fixed jaxml is up now. should keep d3vic3 happy :)
[11:27] <dholbach> lamont: thank you very much
[11:27] <lamont> dholbach: note that dep-waits are also failures
[11:27] <lamont> for the rebuild (there's nothing that should block the build...)
[11:27] <herve> also check those python scripts touching the generated control file
[11:28] <lamont> dholbach: and building == Failed, btw
[11:28] <Burgundavia> herve: I did
[11:28] <dholbach> lamont: ok
[11:28] <lamont> except when building == building :-0)
[11:28] <lamont> if there's a log file for it, it failed
[11:28] <lamont> dholbach: or would you like me to mark all the failed builds as 'failed'?
[11:28] <lamont> cleans out my mailbox
[11:29] <dholbach> lamont: alright :-)
[11:29] <dholbach> thank you so much :-)
[11:30] <dholbach> Burgundavia: you can delete the "bla" :-)
[11:31] <herve> hmm... I guess leaving *.pyc in a package is an error?
[11:31] <Burgundavia> dholbach: I will
[11:31] <Burgundavia> eventually
[11:31] <dholbach> nevermind
[11:32] <dholbach> Burgundavia: now you can add it to MOTUTodo "to review"
[11:32] <dredg> herve: yeah, your postinst script should compile the modules at install time
[11:32] <Burgundavia> dholbach: ok
[11:33] <herve> dredg, ok thanks, I'll clean after the DD ;-)
[11:34] <herve> ho boy... that's far not the only thing to clean in that package...
[11:35] <herve> it comforts me on my abilities to become a DD ;-)
[11:35] <herve> the guy hardly changed something after dh_make's job
[11:36] <herve> there are still .EX files
[11:36] <herve> heya HiddenWolf!
[11:38] <HiddenWolf> Hey?
[11:39] <herve> HiddenWolf, just "hi"
[11:40] <ogra> xosd transition done so far
[11:41] <herve> rock!
[11:41] <ogra> :)
[11:41] <lamont> dholbach: that list updates every 10 minutes, generally finished by somewhere around  :*3
[11:48] <herve> another package to upload \o/
[11:49] <herve> hi sabdfl
[11:49] <sabdfl> hi guys!
[11:49] <herve> my first wm :-)
[11:49] <dholbach> sabdfl: hi mark
[11:49] <ogra> hey sabdfl
[11:49] <ogra> herve, mine too :)
[11:49] <ogra> sabdfl, got a second for PM ?
[11:49] <dholbach> hey guys, i give you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList
[11:50] <sabdfl> ogra: fire away
[11:50] <herve> dholbach, svgalibg1 is superseded by libsvga1
[11:51] <herve> er...
[11:51] <herve> or I don't get the purpose of that list
[11:51] <dholbach> herve: ok... i'll clarify and put it on the list
[11:51] <herve> I find packages deprecated too
[11:51] <dholbach> i compiled a list of everything that's broken on our lists atm
[11:51] <dholbach> then i took the popcon-list by the debian folks
[11:52] <herve> ha ok
[11:52] <dholbach> then i looked what matched
[11:52] <herve> so we should look at this list prior to any other todo?
[11:52] <dholbach> it's just to know what is of more importance
[11:53] <dholbach> i know... our lists are a pain in the ass, because we have so many sometimes holding the same data
[11:53] <dholbach> but i dont know a better way of putting it
[11:53] <tseng> hi dholbach
[11:53] <herve> gcompris scores quite much -:)
[11:54] <dholbach> hey tseng
[11:55] <herve> and there goes another package to upload \o/
[11:56] <dredg> dholbach: how are these apps broken?
[11:56] <herve> doko will have the final word but I'm pretty sure zopectl can go directly to the morgue
[11:56] <dholbach> dredg: each of them is on one of our lists
[11:57] <dholbach> most on UniverseDoesNotBuild, then UniverseUnmetDeps, ...
[11:57] <herve> what a night... see you later
[11:57] <herve> good night all!
[11:57] <dholbach> herve: good night
[11:58] <doko> herve: hmm ...
[11:58] <herve> .
[11:58] <dredg> night herve
[11:58] <dredg> dholbach: ok, grand so
[11:58] <herve> doko?
[11:58] <Burgundavia> dholbach: for those on Priority list and on morgue, can they be killed of Priority?
[11:59] <dholbach> dredg: "grand" is ironically for "good"? :-)
[11:59] <dholbach> Burgundavia: yeah... could make a section to not just lose them
[12:00] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:00] <dredg> dholbach: well, "grand" in the sense of "ok, i get it" :)
[12:00] <dholbach> ok
[12:00] <dholbach> .:-)