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setite2i found the code on the forum12:00
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, why did you pass by debian if ubuntu is like a sub debian?12:00
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apokryphosFl-i-nT: It's a good distro. The first one I tried, as it happens. Quite liked it.12:00
_phate_black_Nightmare, weird that it would switch and also what was throwing me off12:00
black_Nightmareeh...go figure12:00
setite2and yea... i didnt do it... but thats because it wouldnt uninstall12:00
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smouchemy keyboard is practically falling apart under my fingers here... accumulated cigarette ash, must be...12:00
apokryphosFl-i-nT: not so much because I didn't like it. Installed it on another computer while I had Fedora on mine; didn't think of switching at the time.12:00
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, geez i trying to close synaptic down but it wont close down ?12:00
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sleptsetite2: just remove that section , there is aswell a saftycopy of the file with a (can't enter the sign its a tilde)12:01
apokryphosFl-i-nT: you can't check the X in the top-right-corner?12:01
sleptsetite2: at its end12:01
apokryphosFl-i-nT: is there a download currently?12:01
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, nope12:01
Redwraith111has anyone had any x problems? like going to tty2 then back to 7 and the system crashes12:01
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Quinn_StormRedwraith111: that would be a video driver/hardware problem12:01
Shoda1apt-get can't find "libqt-mt" do I have a better chance with more entries in sources.list or are they just mirrors?12:01
apokryphosFl-i-nT: and if it's not loading anything, then you might want to just kill it12:01
Redwraith111like the fglrx?12:01
Quinn_StormRedwraith111: older/less-supported video cards often have that sort of problem12:01
Redwraith111that i installed12:01
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, there was but then i relized i only had 15 minutes ledt to go to bed i cancled12:02
mjrhm, apt-get checks digital signatures automatically nowadays, yes?12:02
mjr(hoary)12:02
smouchegimp keeps my cpu in a state of hyperactivity even after I shut gimp down; ok, forget gimp on this box...12:02
setite2yea thats what i want to do... but i cant find the file12:02
apokryphosShoda1: search in synaptic. It's a similar name.12:02
Redwraith111also.. if i log out i get stuck at a black screen?12:02
setite2i dont know where it is12:02
kkathmanShoda - you might need to get your /etc/apt/sources.list straightened out12:02
Redwraith111like from gnome?12:02
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setite2i dont know how to mount12:02
Redwraith111and i cant do anything?12:02
setite2and the wiki isnt helping me all that much12:02
Redwraith111vid card aswell?12:02
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kkathmanShoda - I would back that up and then get a good one from someone12:02
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Fl-i-nTapokryphos, flint@ubuntu:~ $ killall synaptic12:02
Redwraith111Quinn_Storm could that me it aswell?12:03
apokryphosFl-i-nT: well, if it's crashed then you're best off killing it.12:03
Fl-i-nTsynaptic(7967): Operation not permitted12:03
apokryphosFl-i-nT: sudo it12:03
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Shoda1kkathman: Can you send me yours, please?12:03
Quinn_StormRedwraith111: not sure about the log-out problem12:03
athoHm, I need some assistance.12:03
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Redwraith111I think x is broked12:03
kkathmanShoda - are you using Synaptic or issuing the commands at the CLI?12:03
Redwraith111lol12:03
Redwraith111Im going to format12:03
sleptsetite2: you don't want to use the live cd , if you do you have to chroot and you'll be running the same system as if you would boot.12:03
kkathmansure I'll be glad to send you mine12:03
smoucheFl-i-nT -- one thing you might want to watch for when downloading via synaptic, make sure terminal messages are showing; some upgrade make you click in the screen to configure stuff;12:03
zOapHey people, I have a problem, I like superkaramba better than gdesklets, but superkarama won't use the Gnome wallpaper, but uses the color black as background. Anyone know of a workaround to this is Gnome?12:03
setite2chroot?12:03
setite2run that from safe mode12:03
Redwraith111Also I cannot switch back to tty2 Quinn_Storm12:03
smouchethe download will seem to stall, if you aren';t looking at a terminal12:04
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, thanks just learned how to kill a programme cheers12:04
apokryphosShoda1: it's libqt3-mt-dev12:04
kkathmanShoda do you know how to copy your current one to a backup?12:04
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Quinn_StormRedwraith111: well, it sounds like it probably is a vid card/driver problem12:04
apokryphosFl-i-nT: you only ever have to sudo if it's being run by root. Synaptic is always thus.12:04
larsrohdinif i want a program to start when i start x, i put it in the .xsession file... but how should i write? like: start "program" or what?12:04
Redwraith111can i fix it?12:04
kkathmanapokryphos - I think Shoda's sources.list is messed up12:04
Redwraith111i have the fglrx12:04
Redwraith111the ubuntu package12:04
apokryphoskkathman: why so?12:04
athoI'm running Hoary preview on a PPC, and boot-up freezes at "starting hotplug subsystem"12:04
Fl-i-nTsmouche, ill take that on board12:04
sleptsetite2: you don't need all that things, just boot your system ( not the live-cd ) , dosn't matter if safemode or not12:04
athoAny work-around?12:04
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, ok ill take that onboard too.12:04
kkathmanapokryphos - he's getting repeated errors - this same thing happened to me12:05
=== _phate_ away I'm of to kill the Xserv, the wonderful Xserv of OZ
setite2ok and do what12:05
Redwraith111if I modprobe fglrx Quinn_Storm and it doesnt say anything does that mean those drivers are loaded and im not in Vesa?12:05
setite2i tried the dpkg -P xserver-xorg12:05
setite2actually sudo that12:05
kkathmanapokryphos - his apt-get update fails :)12:05
setite2no sudo?12:05
apokryphoskkathman: I'm not sure if it's down to his soruces.list. Several people are reporting problems with the repos at the moment, but I'm not experiencing any.12:05
sleptsetite2: fix the configuration file12:05
Quinn_StormRedwraith111: not sure12:05
setite2yea how12:05
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, have you ever made your own alterations to a source of a programme to make it do what you required or to change something?12:05
setite2i dont know how to text edit from CLI12:05
Redwraith111hmm its bugging me12:05
apokryphosShoda1: could you pastebin.com your sources.list12:05
Redwraith111it just started today12:06
sleptsetite : all administration things need sudo12:06
Shoda1kkathman: I use a console and am SU'ed in as root12:06
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Redwraith111so maybe i was ifddling with things12:06
apokryphosFl-i-nT: a few times; very minor things.12:06
kevman`I'm getting a /dev/vbi error when i use my TV card, but its showing a station just fine.12:06
sleptsetite: nano or joe are nice editors12:06
jeanjeanwhere can i find packages for hoary ?12:06
Redwraith111i use nano12:06
setite2are they included?12:06
sleptyes12:06
apokryphosjeanjean: are you on hoary?12:06
kkathmanapokryphos - hmm...well I dont think there is a harm in resetting the sources.list and then running the apt-get clear, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade do you?12:06
larsrohdinhow to write in .xsession? start "program" or what?12:06
jeanjeanyup12:06
setite2so sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf12:06
LuckyStrikeany know if there is a gui runlevel setup program i can download?12:07
jeanjeanbutonly can install the basics12:07
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, are you a type of user which has no room for Eyecandy and doesnt like icons on there desktop?12:07
apokryphoskkathman: I don't think it's necessary to fully upgrade the system for this. What was he looking to do?12:07
sleptsetite2: yes12:07
LuckyStrikedoesn't seem to be one included in ubuntu unlike in fedora12:07
setite2ok wish me luck12:07
apokryphosFl-i-nT: Quite the opposite. :)12:07
smoucheapokryphos, the repos do seem kind of, I don;t know, unpredictable lately.  I keep getting error messages, every apt-get update has to be done at least twice...12:07
apokryphoskkathman: but there is indeed no harm with resetting his sources.list12:07
kkathmanapokryphos - he's trying to apt-get the libqt so Opera works12:07
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, so you liek eyecandy too >12:07
kkathmanits a standard thing I believe for Opera12:07
kkathmanI had to do it12:07
athoagain12:08
smouchei'd settle right now for the eye candy of less ugly fonts.12:08
apokryphoskkathman: I'd find it odd if Opera relied on Qt, but looking at its dependencies... it does.12:08
athoany solution to hotplug freeze?12:08
kkathmanShoda - I highly advise you to go to the Ubuntu site, though, under components and read that..its very important12:08
sleptsetite2: good luck12:08
smoucheeven with antialiasing on, these fonts are hideous12:08
apokryphosFl-i-nT: very much so, yes. I like to be looking at something that is aesthetically pleasing.12:08
Quinn_Stormopera is a qt app, but you can get it statically linked if you need to12:08
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apokryphosInteresting that it's often labelled a "Gnome app".12:09
LuckyStrikeIs there a gui runlevel setup program (like the one in fedora) for ubuntu?12:09
black_Nightmarestupid question once again (lol) ... can wmv be played? :">12:09
maxcheeit is strange, but being a qt app, opera is in the spirit of kde12:09
maxcheeblack_Nightmare: totem-xine12:09
LinuxJonesLuckyStrike, no12:09
apokryphosShoda1: are you still here? Are you on hoary?12:09
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Fl-i-nTapokryphos, i liek eyecandy too vvery much aswell but i dont like icons on desktop. anyway i have put the MAC OSX AQUA theme and a glossed icon theme and i would like the equiv to superkaramaba for gnome( i think is gdesklets )12:09
LuckyStrikeHave to setup all the run levels via the console then?12:09
maxcheeFl-i-nT: gdesklet?12:10
Quinn_Stormopera isn't really in the spirit of kde since its a closed-source, pay-for piece of software...but it is a qt app12:10
apokryphosFl-i-nT: I recommend switching to KDE :P certainly, but that is your decision. Yup, superkaramba is great. I think themes run alright on Gnome, however.12:10
LinuxJonesLuckyStrike, they are planning a gui runlevel editor12:10
maxcheeQuinn_Storm: but the cluttered interface and infinite configuration certainly make it more kde like (no offence to kde people)12:10
black_Nightmarehmm thanks maxchee....its just that too many online clips are stupidly **** WMP format12:10
black_Nightmarego figure hehe12:10
apokryphosQuinn_Storm: eek. Interesting; thanks.12:10
LuckyStrikeok thanks12:10
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smoucheFl-i-nT, you might like xfce4; no icons on desktop, really nice window themes, very fast and light.12:11
jeanjeanplz can anyone say how i can install more packages12:11
goldfishxfce4 is great12:11
Quinn_Stormmaxchee: well I am a kde person...while the interface doesn't seem cluttered to me (gnome's seems sparse and clunky), I do prefer the configurability12:11
jeanjeani only can instal the packages from the cd12:11
apokryphosFl-i-nT: I put some screenies up not so long ago: youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu12:11
apokryphosFl-i-nT: none with the x composite extentsion there though; should put them up when I next have time.12:11
sleptjeanjean :  run apt-setup12:11
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smoucheI prefer kde, but I do like the way nautilus sets pictures on the desktop as their own icons..12:12
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jeanjeanslept: thx12:12
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apokryphossmouche: Not sure if I follow.. could you link to a screeny?12:12
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smoucheand having little previews of text files as icons for those files is useful too12:12
black_Nightmaremaxchee don't you have to hate WMP sometimes?  hehe12:12
andrilhello all12:12
apokryphossmouche: kde does that.12:12
Quinn_Stormsmouche: if you turn it on, konqueror does that12:13
black_Nightmareat least most website short sound clips are usually wav or cresendo which isn't quite restrictive ;)12:13
andrilanyine having issues with themes in Hoary?12:13
goldfishapokryphos: what;s that on the right hand side?12:13
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Jesteraceandril what kind of themes? metacity?12:13
goldfishapokryphos: in those pics, sweet set-up btw12:13
apokryphosgoldfish: superk theme12:13
Jesteracethey work fine for me12:13
smoucheapokryphos, kde gives you a mouseover preview -- I mean the actual icons are not generic for type-- you get a thumbnail,really, not an icon12:13
nervHey guys, whats the default root password?12:13
apokryphosgoldfish: I change reasonably often (but haven't recently). Thanks. :)12:13
smoucheyou don;t need the mouse over12:13
kevman`The same as your usepassword12:13
andrilGTK,Metacity and icons - like Indutrial12:13
goldfishapokryphos: is that for kde only?12:13
nervGreat, thanks12:14
andrilIt work work12:14
Jesteraceandril nope they work fine for me12:14
kevman`There is no Root, really.12:14
apokryphossmouche: no, I really am. No mouseover necessary.12:14
setitenano is nto working12:14
setitefile must not exist12:14
Jesteraceandril you putting them in .themes? in the home dir?12:14
setitewhats the apt command12:14
andrildid you install from the CD or Synaptic update?12:14
smouchehmm, apokryphos , must be a setting I haven't found yet12:14
apokryphosgoldfish: I don't think so. Superkaramba. It's in the repositories; try it out. :)12:14
goldfishah right12:14
goldfishsweet12:14
goldfishthanks :)12:14
setitesudo apt-get reinstall xserver-xorg12:14
athoGuys, anyone know how to fix the hotplug subsystem freeze???12:14
atho?12:14
smoucheI just see, you know, plain icons.  It's a very nice mouse over preview though.12:14
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sleptsetite : apt-get install nano12:14
setiteno i have nano12:14
setitewhen i open xorg there is nothign there12:15
apokryphosgoldfish: there's hundreds of themes for it on www.kde-look.org Some really sweet ones there.12:15
mastergoonis us.archive down?12:15
setitewait... i think i know my mistake12:15
setitebrb12:15
goldfishapokryphos: cool :)12:15
black_Nightmaredoes the hoary preview iso cd have a irc client included in it?  just checking12:15
athoCan Warty be upgraded to Hoary without a CD?12:15
mjratho, yes, via the net12:15
Quest-MasterYes atho12:15
andrilJesterace: did you upgrade via Synaptics or use the CD?12:15
sleptsetite: sudo ? use the tab-autocompletion, the file is called xorg.conf12:15
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athomjr, is there a howto or such anywhere?12:15
Jesteraceandril synaptic12:15
LinuxJonesblack_Nightmare, yeah schat12:16
LinuxJones*xchat12:16
_phate_YAY, my mouse  is working now!12:16
black_Nightmareschat...don't you mean...lol nevermind12:16
athoi really don't like any other distro, and hoary won't install.12:16
smouchehmm, apokryphos -- in konqueror, you get thumbnails, I notice -- but not on the desktop12:16
black_Nightmareyou faster than me :p12:16
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apokryphossmouche: you can get them12:16
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andrilme too - but my themes seemed to change after a few updates12:16
mjratho, hmm, haven't checked, since basically it's just changing warty references to hoary in either /etc/apt/sources.list or synaptic and upgrading...12:16
LinuxJonesatho, you searched the wiki ?12:16
apokryphossmouche: the preview thing as mentioned before is not limited to Konqueror.12:16
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setitenope... dont know what i did wrong12:16
athoLinux, no, i'm ashamed. BRB. :(12:17
LinuxJonesheh12:17
smoucheexcellent, apokryphos -- Thanks!  I thought this was some nautilus specialty, or something12:17
apokryphossmouche: Nautilus seems real nice, but there's no contest with Konqueror for me.12:17
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, do you have kubuntu then?12:17
athoWhat search term should I use?12:18
apokryphosFl-i-nT: Yeah.12:18
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kkathmansorry Im back now12:18
MacPlusG3daniels: ping12:18
kkathmanhopefully I didnt miss much12:18
danielsMacPlusG3: goooood morning!12:18
smoucheme too apokryphos .12:18
sleptsetite: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:18
MacPlusG3daniels: good morning to you too12:18
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, so i dont know anything about kubuntu but is it only fro hoary or warty i mean is there like warty kubuntu so on...12:19
apokryphossmouche: cool. :)12:19
MacPlusG3daniels: so i should book bill bailey tickets? how many (did you need one?)12:19
MacPlusG3daniels: also going to an install day at monash today (for a little while). taking lots of CDs :)12:19
apokryphosFl-i-nT: KDE is available on Warty, but only KDE 3.2. Hoary has 3.4 in the repositories (one of the first distros to, FTR).12:19
jogarigadoes anyone know how to install skype on ubuntu?12:19
andrilJesterace: do you know how to repair themes?12:20
Jesteraceandril not really12:20
Jesteracethe only theme i use is bluecurve12:20
smoucheWell, I'm going to do something unneccesary, probably, but I can't help myself: reinstall hoary fresh from cd, kde version,12:20
andriloh12:20
danielsMacPlusG3: rad ... if you need cds, i have a hojillion in wheelers hill, so call me and you can pick some up if you need12:20
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andrilthanks anyways12:20
smouchejust for the hell of it.12:20
MacPlusG3daniels: i have like 50-100 of each arch :)12:20
Quinn_Stormjogariga: you have to add a repository that has it to your sources.list...deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main has it last I checked12:20
danielsMacPlusG3: a friend has a spare ticket for tonight, so I can grab that and just meet you there12:20
apokryphossmouche: why? ;-). Just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade instead.12:20
MacPlusG3daniels: rock. i'll book stuff for me12:20
setitei dunno what to do12:20
kkathmanI would love to install KDE but I just dont think my box would take it12:20
nisbbl.12:21
apokryphossmouche: there's been changes likely since your CD version.12:21
Quinn_Stormkkathman: specs?12:21
setitehow do i navigate to different folders12:21
danielsMacPlusG3: phat12:21
CarlK_what is the channel for kernel hackers?12:21
kkathmanAm I right that KDE is more resource intense than Gnome?12:21
CarlK_or, how can I pass more than 255 chars at boot?12:21
Quinn_Stormkkathman: actually gnome is usually more intensive than kde, but gtk is less intensive than qt.  what are your specs?12:21
jogarigaQuinn_Storm: where is sources.list located?12:21
Quinn_Stormjogariga: /etc/apt/sources.list12:21
setiteanyoen12:21
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kkathmanQuinn - its a hand me down puter....old HP Pavillion, 96 mb 12 gb12:21
smoucheI'm not happy with my partitioning; need a home partition...12:21
apokryphoskkathman: it has more features, but it's oft been said that it's better for liteweight systems than Gnome. Gnome say the same thing, but visa versa, but hey. ;-)12:21
setitehow do you navigate folders in clu12:21
setitecli*12:22
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athoOne more thing; how do12:22
apokryphossetite: man cd12:22
Quinn_Stormkkathman: proc speed? 96mb ram sounds kinda small...but if the proc is fast enough you might pull it off12:22
sleptsetite: cd , with ls you can list , try the autocompletion with pressing the tab-key12:22
MacPlusG3daniels: gah. ticketmaster 7 crud... need to find some password baloney12:22
kkathmanapokryphos...interesting :)12:22
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athoI use apt to upgrade my whole system?12:22
athoafter ive edited sources?12:22
_phate_How do I change the name of a system12:22
setitewth.... i tried cd12:22
setitefiguring it was like dos12:22
kkathmanQuinn...its some Celeron12:22
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kkathmanno clue as to its proc speed12:22
setitei tried autocompleteion but its not showing12:22
Quinn_Stormkkathman: cat /proc/cpuinfo for proc speed12:22
smouchekkathman, I get the feeling gnome is much harder on my cpu, but kde seems a little more ram hungry.  but i  don't know...12:22
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Fl-i-nTapokryphos, FTR meaning ?12:23
kkathmanbut its responsive with Gnome, but I just have to wait for things to swap out alot12:23
apokryphosFl-i-nT: For The Record12:23
Quinn_Stormkkathman: well, I'd say at least check out kde, you can always switch back easily...just do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop12:23
sleptsetite: become root with sudo su and exit after your done with editing12:23
tritium_phate_, hostname is in /etc/hostname.  Also, see the manpage for the "hostname" command.12:23
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, when do you think i could get hoary from cd?12:23
apokryphosFl-i-nT: right now. :)12:23
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Grexohave any of u tried uwb yet?12:24
Grexois the range actually limited to 10 meters?12:24
Grexooh also12:24
danielsMacPlusG3: hm.  phone booking?12:24
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, so what if i order some cd of ubuntu off site there cd will now change form warty t ohoary?12:24
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Grexoi would like to develop uwb software for ubuntu12:24
apokryphosFl-i-nT: oh... to order. I'm not sure if they sell the Hoary arrays.12:24
Grexoim gonna need uwb support :P12:24
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kkathmanQuinn..thanks...its a Celeron 500MHz12:24
apokryphosFl-i-nT: I don't think they do; you'll likely have to wait for the official. April 6th.12:25
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apokryphos(roughly)12:25
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, so what where you thinking of ::P12:25
Grexoubuntu doesnt support uwb yet i take it right?12:25
Grexosince nothing is really out yet12:25
apokryphosFl-i-nT: downloading the ISO. Momentarily forgot about BT evilness.12:25
MacPlusG3daniels: i found the email with the 'welcome to' stuff from last time. pity they don't mail you your password12:25
latinboy_webcam:((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com12:25
sleptlooking for spam ?12:26
apokryphoscharming12:26
smouchedon't you hate that stuff12:26
KamionFl-i-nT: we don't ship the arrays, no12:26
Grexohey kamion12:26
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, well i have schule tommorow so good night and shoot some windows lol bye bye all c'ya all tommorow be bad ;)12:26
Kamionhi12:26
danielsMacPlusG3: heh12:26
KamionGrexo: uwb?12:26
Grexokamion:  ubuntu preview is NICE :)12:26
apokryphosFl-i-nT: See ya. :)12:26
Fl-i-nTkamion are you from the shiping department?12:26
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KamionFl-i-nT: no, I'm the guy who does the Array releases though12:26
Grexokamion:  Cant wait for the final........ preview fixed up all my major bugs12:26
smoucheI want an ubuntu t-shirt.  anything but brown, please12:26
_phate_I screwed up my sources.list where can I get the default one >_<12:26
Grexokamion i used to have that major partitioning issue with windows and linux12:27
apokryphos_phate_: hoary?12:27
_phate_yes12:27
Grexoall gone :)12:27
Coilyso... unless my moniter can save 2 different x,y positions im screwed when switching between linux, xp?12:27
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Fl-i-nTKamion,  do you have any idea when you will though12:27
apokryphos_phate_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary12:27
slept_phate_ apt-setup12:27
Grexokamion:  ultrawideband... its kinda like wifi12:27
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Grexoin a sense12:27
KamionFl-i-nT: no sooner than final release on 6 April12:27
Grexoits different tho12:27
hdeHello, where can I get Hoary?12:27
Grexooooooo april 6, kewl12:27
black_Nightmareonce again another stupid question: alt+tab pretty much is a generic command that most os gui would usually have by default12:27
black_Nightmaream I right?12:27
Coilyanyone?12:27
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apokryphoshde: check the link I just posted.12:27
KamionGrexo: ah, you've definitely confirmed that that partitioning issue is gone? good, it's been incredibly hard to get success reports for that12:28
Grexokamion im addicted to this opensource thing :)12:28
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apokryphoshde: oh, you just joined... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary12:28
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hdeapokryphos: :)12:28
Grexokamion:  with preview it was gone12:28
Coilyrepeat:12:28
Coilyso... unless my moniter can save 2 different x,y positions im screwed when switching between linux, xp?12:28
hdeapokryphos: Thanks.12:28
apokryphosnp :)12:28
latinboy_webcam:((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com12:28
apokryphoshde: that is presuming that (i) you already have warty, and (ii) you're willing to download it from apt.12:28
P229Coily: pretty much12:28
KamionGrexo: yeah, that was gone ages ago, Array CD 212:28
CoilyP229, ='[12:29
hdeapokryphos: Nope, am.12:29
hdeI will install then use apt.12:29
apokryphoslatinboy_webcam: This is hardly the best place to look for ladies.12:29
Kamionfabbione: speaking of other channels, wake up and do something about latinboy_webcam :)12:29
apokryphoshde: you're not on warty?12:29
hdeNope.12:29
fabbioneKamion: ?12:29
Zugotis us.archive.ubuntu.com up?12:29
setitehow do i reinstall linux12:29
hdeBut I will be.12:29
setiteover the current installation12:29
Kamionfabbione: spammer12:29
apokryphosfabbione: look up ^12:29
fabbioneKamion: right...12:30
latinboy_webcamwhat is up12:30
setiteor would apt-get dist-upgrade work12:30
latinboy_webcami am inoccent12:30
setiteanything i just want back in12:30
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apokryphoshde: go straight for Hoary then. See /topic12:30
hdeok12:30
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Fl-i-nTKamion you'll be happy to know ive done my job i gave away 10 cd's to people in my school i am spreading linux and believe me it shard12:30
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KamionFl-i-nT: we all appreciate it :)12:30
KamionZugot: didn't seem to be, earlier12:30
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Zugotdamn12:31
Zugotfigures it wouldn't be when i actually want to get something working12:31
tjsdoes ubuntu have any form of gui for managing init.d scripts and services per runlevel?12:31
Fl-i-nTthis tiem round can i order 20 or si that too many?12:31
sleptsetite: you don't have to reinstall for sure not , how far did you get with editing12:31
setitei cant edit the file12:31
black_Nightmarehm anyone?12:31
apokryphossetite: which file, and why not?12:31
sleptsetite: with sudo ?12:31
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setitesudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf brings up a blank file12:31
Grexoack12:31
KamionFl-i-nT: 20 should be fine12:31
setitesoemtimes a new file12:32
hdeerr downing.lol12:32
sleptsetite : still live-cd ?12:32
ZugotKamion, ah...12:32
Kamionsetite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf; case is significant12:32
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LinuxJonessetite, it case sensitive12:32
Quest-MasterHas anyone gotten Enlightenment-17 working on Hoary?12:32
Absenthafternoon all12:32
setitestupid case sensitivity!!!!12:32
setitebrb12:32
kkathmanQuinn - sorry I was otherwise preoccupied at the moment12:32
LinuxJonessetite, if you hit the (tab) key bash will auto-complete for you12:32
AbsenthI don't suppose anyone knows which Apt package I need to grab to re-install "libXaw.so.6"12:33
kkathmanSo with only 96 MB you think KDE would still perform?12:33
azeemAbsenth: dpkg -S libXaw.so.612:33
Fl-i-nTKamion, godo ngiht12:33
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kkathmanI think Im going to splurge $80.00 and upgrade the memory12:33
sic|what is the trick to making samba stable...mine works about 50% of the time...it is more stable running it with wins server enabled...but it just failed for no reason12:33
Quest-MasterAlso, anyone think Kubuntu is faster than normal Gnome?12:33
AbsenthAzeem where do I get the file to dpkg?12:33
apokryphosQuest-Master: me :P. I'm sure Gnome users think the same but visa versa. :)12:33
AbsenthAzeem, Citrix is erroring on the shared libraries post a Hoary dist-upgrade12:34
azeemAbsenth: no idea what you mean, sorry12:34
Quest-Masterapokryphos: I'm looking into XFCE and KDE since Gnome's main menu in Hoary takes exactly 10 seconds to load12:34
P229Quest-Master: if you want something faster, use xfce or a lighter window manager12:34
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Quest-MasterP229: I'm gonna go for XFCE most likely12:34
apokryphosQuest-Master: what are your specs?12:34
kkathmanso I can do an apt-get install kbuntu-desktop and that will do it eh?12:34
apokryphoskkathman: that's right. See www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE for the info12:35
Quest-Masterapokryphos: 256MB RAM and 2.2Ghz Celeron12:35
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_phate_I just ran apt-setup, after searching the CD it gave me this: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/10812:35
P229Quest-Master: yeah, kde takes a while to load, too12:35
kkathmanokie doke12:35
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apokryphosQuest-Master: erm... you don't need a lightweight desktop12:35
nervI was wondering if you guys could help me with one more problem I seem to be having12:35
apokryphosQuest-Master: kde will run quite well on that.12:35
_phate_what does it mean12:35
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Quest-Masterapokryphos: Yeah. My computer runs Windows (nooo) and the old Gnome just fine, but Gnome's new app. menu takes unbearably long to load12:36
AbsenthHmmm, it appears that file, or those libraries are related to XFree86,  which might explain why after upgrading to Hoary Citrix can't locate it.12:36
sleptnerv : don't ask to ask, just ask12:36
apokryphos_phate_: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?12:36
apokryphosQuest-Master: KDE is real nice. :)12:36
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MacPlusG3daniels: do you know where your seats are?12:36
Quest-Masterapokryphos: Will most likely try KDE then XFCE. I really like a lot of KDE's apps. Quanta and Konqueror <312:36
nervI have an external harddrive that I connect through USB. I was running SuSE before this an it would automount the harddrive whenever I turned it on and I'd have instant access. But after a while it would detect the harddrive but have trouble detecting the files and such, it even stopped letting me write to the harddrive. I tried it on a laptop with XP and the harddrive worked perfect, But I seem to still have this problem on Unbuntu12:37
apokryphosQuest-Master: if you're looking to install, see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE for details. Also, might be worth noting that #kubuntu channel exists.12:37
Quest-Masterapokryphos: Does Kubuntu still have the problem with sudo?12:37
Zugotah... changed us.archive.ubuntu.com to ca.archive.ubuntu.com12:37
Zugotthis will work for now...12:37
ZugotQuest-Master, gnome is crazy fast on my box... takes about 5 seconds12:37
Quest-Masterapokryphos: I've tried Kubuntu before. :) It just wasn't working very well the last time I tried it.12:37
apokryphosQuest-Master: nope. As mentioned in the link, that "problem" is resolved. Minor editing needed, but no problems.12:37
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Quest-MasterZugot: I don't know what's wrong with my Gnome then.12:37
apokryphosQuest-Master: on Warty?12:37
ZugotQuest-Master, i run ubuntu for amd6412:38
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Zugoteverything is way fast12:38
setite_ok slept12:38
setite_you are a god... and so is the case sensitive guy12:38
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Quest-Masterapokryphos: Well, lucky you. I'm on a Celeron. :P12:38
setite_case sensitivity is the devil12:38
nervI just recently turned on the harddrive and Ubuntu is still trying to read it, that was about 5 minutes ago12:38
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setite_now im back to the problem that led to the other12:38
setite_black bars12:38
nervAfter a while it will detect all the files tho12:38
apokryphosQuest-Master: I'm not on AMD 64. :P12:38
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setite_how do i successfully add my resolution12:38
kkathmanApokryphos - do I just do the apt-get install kbuntu-desktop  or do I follow that site you mentioned, because they say to download the kde core and go from there12:38
apokryphosQuest-Master: Athlon here. 2.8, though.12:38
Zugoti'm just happy to get linux running on this laptop...12:38
Quest-Masterapokryphos: My bad. Wrong name.12:38
_phate_apokryphos, http://www.pastebin.com/26153912:38
Zugotthe newest hoary is the only thing i can get on it12:39
apokryphoskkathman: not quite.. it says you have three options, right?12:39
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kkathmanUnder Hoary yes12:39
nervAnyone have any idea?12:39
kkathmanIm on Warty12:39
casteelany way i can set up internet connection sharing for my xbox?12:40
apokryphoskkathman: Oh... what's your Internet speed like?12:40
kkathmanDSL12:40
apokryphos_phate_: does sudo apt-get update produce errors?12:40
LeeJunFananyone succesfully using debmirror on ubuntu?12:40
apokryphoskkathman: why not go for Hoary then?12:40
setite_slept or apokryphos12:40
apokryphosQuest-Master: no worries. :)12:40
sleptsetite_: edit the configuration file just add the resolution you want in front of the resolutions you got"1223423232x231231231"12:40
setite_http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12225&highlight=dell+2005fpw  is this the solution?? i added that as well as the other things but when i went to remove the mistakes it wasnt there12:40
apokryphossetite: yeah?12:40
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setite_so replace my current resolution in the file and reboot?12:41
kkathmanapkoryphos - well I just installed the standard Warty from the dowload ...I guess ;)12:41
setite_that simple12:41
sleptsetite: its in the "screen" section12:41
apokryphoskkathman: Hoary is the way to go. :) As a note, you can use TAB for autocompletion of IRC-nicknames.12:41
Zugothow come there isn't a linux-restricted modules for the newest 2.6.11 kernel for amd64-k812:41
apokryphossetite: what's the problem?12:42
Zugotthat blows12:42
sleptsetite_ it's not stupid windows, you don't have to reboot , only if you want an other kernel12:42
HrdwrBoBZugot: use 2.6.1012:42
HrdwrBoB-512:42
ZugotHrdwrBoB, i'm about to...12:42
Zugotthannks12:42
kkathmanIsnt Hoary the unstable one?12:42
KamionZugot: 2.6.11 isn't something we'll be releasing with hoary; that kernel package is kind of broken and out of date anyway12:42
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ZugotKamion, thanks... i'll remove it now12:42
Kamionit'll be updated to 2.6.11.2 or newer eventually12:42
sleptsetite: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart12:42
setite_well i mean kill x12:42
setite_ok can i just ass a subsection to screens12:42
setite_SubSection "Display"12:43
setite_Depth2412:43
setite_Modes"1600x1050"12:43
setite_EndSubSection12:43
setite_would that suffice12:43
LinuxJonesAny indication as to when "Beagle" will make an appearance in Ubuntu ??12:43
_phate_apokryphos, it seems to be downloading but its being slower then snot12:44
Absenthis anyone here on Hoary, using Citrix?12:44
setite_yes?12:44
apokryphos_phate_: if you're doing it for the first time it'll likely take some time. You got a fast connection?12:45
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sleptsetite_ : the best way is to "comment " the current section with # at the beginning of the lines , and then write a new section so it s easier to fix things later if you break them12:45
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odie5533hey12:45
odie5533I just got12:45
odie5533cannot grab mouse12:45
kkathmanapokryphos: so I suppose there is some "easy" way to go from warty to hoary?12:45
odie5533malicious client may be eves dropping12:45
apokryphoskkathman: A very easy way, yes. As in, requiring the alteration of one file and two commands. :)12:45
Absenthkkathman, on a fast connection, it's edit one file, and two command line entries12:45
odie5533anoyne know what I should do?12:46
_phate_apokryphos, yes I have a 6MB dl on cable and a 2MB upload12:46
_phate_its great for Xbox live12:46
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apokryphos_phate_: sweet. You shouldn't be experiencing any slowness... has it not finished?12:46
_phate_now its giving me errors12:47
_phate_I'll paste them12:47
kkathmanapokryphos:  can you point me in that direction then?12:47
apokryphos_phate_: pastebin if they're long, or query them to me.12:47
Absenthkkathman, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (replace warty with hoary)12:47
maddlerany hint for a nice kde theme? :)12:47
apokryphoskkathman: Sure. www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary12:47
apokryphosmaddler: theme or window decoration?12:47
Absenthapokryphos, kkathman, that's even better :)12:47
_phate_apokryphos, http://www.pastebin.com/26154112:48
apokryphosAh, you're using the us mirror, I forgot. A few people are reporting problems about it.12:48
apokryphosNot quite sure why. I recommend leaving and trying in a few hours or so.12:48
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_phate_apokryphos, okay thanks12:49
kkathmanAbsenth: I figured it was a matter of changing the sources.list and running apt-get update, upgrade12:49
Absenthkkathman, dist-upgrade actually :)12:49
kkathmanAhh ok12:49
kkathmanyes of course12:49
CarlK_append ramdisk_size=12890 - is there some way I can shorten/eliminate that?  my kenel append line is 264 chars long12:50
danielsMacPlusG3: no idea, sorry12:50
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CarlK_or, the install's kernel append line12:50
MacPlusG3daniels: on hold on the phone....12:50
MacPlusG3daniels: internet wasn't letting me book anything.12:50
danielsbah12:50
KamionCarlK_: there are generally other things that are better candidates for elimination; did you see my mail about that?12:51
KamionCarlK_: assuming you're Carl Karsten12:51
CarlK_I am12:51
CarlK_I didh12:51
CarlK_t12:51
bretzelhi there :)12:51
kkathmansorry guyz, Im still feeling my way around here in Linux :)12:51
KamionCarlK_: the one about replacing languagechooser/blah and countrychooser/blah with preseed/locale=en_US12:51
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pvoceis there a question queue or should I just throw it out there?:)12:52
goldfishgo ahead12:52
goldfish:)12:52
apokryphosmaddler: Plastik for both, for me, lately. Though kde-look.org has a superfluity of great ones.12:52
maddlerapokryphos... window decoragion... sorry... :)12:52
HackmoCan someone help me with my java plugin for firefox problem please?12:53
maddlerhmmm... I don't like plastik :)12:53
apokryphosnp :)12:53
maddlergh12:53
maddlerI prfer smtg... hmmm... "smaller"12:53
pvoceIve googled and looked through forums for this error loading up nvidia glx drivers:12:53
Shoda1Has anyone a idea why my at key isn't working? german keyboard, CTRL+ALT+Q doesn't do anything12:53
bretzelJust want to make a comment: Yet I installed kubuntu-destop and switched to KDE (3.4) for a couple of days ...and ... Can't get rid of GNOME! that is funny, I use much KDE apps but as win-manager, I prefer GNOME now!!12:53
pvoceE: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 212:53
apokryphosmaddler: There's plenty of other good ones... one sec, I'll check my kcontrol12:54
apokryphosbretzel: if you want to keep gtk apps (firefox, gaim, xchat), then you'll have to keep gtk related stuff.12:54
maddlerBrent... I tried gnome today... but I'm missing a lot of function I'm used to with kde12:54
maddlerhehe12:54
maddlerapokryphos... thx... :)12:54
geneo93c4 aint bad12:54
apokryphosbretzel: a few have asked; gnome-session looks reasonably core-ish, so I recommend trying to remove that.12:54
apokryphosmaddler: ok, they're not installed :P. Forgot I meddled with that stuff recently...12:54
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HackmoCan anyone tell me why my java plugin doesn't work in firefox?12:55
apokryphosmaddler: however, check on www.kde-look.org It's great. Select "Window Decorations" and check highest rated/most downloaded12:55
kkathmanoops..thats what I get for pasting something to someone :)12:55
CarlK_Kamion - I missed that12:55
goldfishlol12:55
KamionCarlK_: ok, I think that should give you plenty of sparc12:55
Kamioner, space12:55
bretzelapokryphos: I said I prefer Gnone over KDE for the xwindow session-window manager... Yet I need kde tho -- but can't live without GNOME that what I wanted to say :-)12:55
Kamionarchitectures on the brain12:55
geneo93well you can have gnome does fit me12:55
pvocehackmo: you need tp sym link the libfile in your .mozilla/firefox/plugins dir12:55
CarlK_yeah - I just need 9 less chars12:55
maddlerapokryphos... doing already... :) was only looking for suggestions :)12:55
CarlK_i think12:56
KamionCarlK_: yep12:56
danielsKamion: alpha arm m68k s390 sh12:56
apokryphosbretzel: session window manager? Do you mean gdm?12:56
Hackmopvoce: I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org but it didn't work12:56
Kamionlimits are at most 256 characters (possibly -1 for null terminator), at most 32 arguments without =, at most 32 arguments with =12:56
pvocehackmo: which version of java did you install?12:56
bretzelI said "can't get rid of gnome" in the sense of that I cannot live without :-) 8-) - session/window-manager... both, but I actually use KDM and run Gnome hahah!12:57
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Hackmopvoce: 1.5.0_02"12:57
KamionCarlK_: hopefully it'll get a lot easier in future as we pull preseed back to take effect earlier, following the example of kickseed12:57
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setite_shit12:57
Kamionanyway, sleep12:57
setite_well after fighting back into ubuntu... the new resolution is not selectable12:57
setite_should i upgrade my driver12:57
apokryphosmaddler: A lot of people like Baghira (sp), but I don't like it much. Lipstik and ActiveHeart are good, imo.12:57
CarlK_Kamion, how much earlier can it get?12:58
geneo93bretzel:  kde has login manager dont it12:58
setite_wheres synaptic12:58
bretzel-- uh.. sorry if my english isn't enough skilled... :-)12:58
apokryphossetite: Alt + F2 > gksudo synaptic12:59
setite_is there something in the programs though12:59
KamionCarlK_: kickstart happens before any questions at all12:59
Hackmopvoce: any ideas?12:59
apokryphossetite: erm, what?12:59
bretzelbriefely, I just wanted to say that I need KDE but I prefer to run KDE apps into gnome session --- voila! :-P12:59
KamionCarlK_: so potentially right to the start12:59
setite_nvm found it12:59
pvocehackmo: did you create a symlink for the libjava*.oji?01:00
CarlK_Kamion - but the netboot (my focus) won't read preseed from a floppy, only the lan01:00
pvocebbiab...wife tells me supper is ready01:00
CarlK_Kamion - and there are lan setup questions01:00
KamionCarlK_: that's the current situation, certainly; it doesn't have to stay that way01:00
MacPlusG3daniels: couldn't get any more tickets for tonight. soonest i seem to be able to get is sunday01:00
KamionCarlK_: yes, the same issues apply to kickstart and I solved them01:00
maddlerapokryphos... baghira would be nice... but it gaves me some error while compiling... :(01:01
Hackmopvoce: how do I create a symlink?01:01
P229Hackmo: man ln01:01
CarlK_Kamion - grovy ;)01:01
apokryphosmaddler: what error?01:01
KamionCarlK_: basically kickstart tries to bring up the network noninteractively whatever way it can manage it01:01
bretzelAnd I prefer gnome over KDE because of Ubuntu ...01:01
Kamionand then you reconfigure properly later01:01
CarlK_Kamion - what does the -- in the append line mean?01:01
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yasirfhello01:02
apokryphosbretzel: because of Ubuntu?01:02
Kamionif you need to override with kernel arguments to use a particular network interface or whatever, you can01:02
CarlK_Kamion - duh.. good idea01:02
KamionCarlK_: arguments after -- get passed through to the second-stage bootloader configuration, e.g. /boot/grub/menu.lst01:02
maddlerapokryphos... private...01:02
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jesus\is there a way to test the java looking glass project in ubuntu?01:03
yasirfhello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server01:03
Hackmopvoce: yes I have created a symlink01:03
CarlK_Kamion oh, I thought they were passed to the installer - no wonder things got screwy01:03
chillywillyjesus\: nice nick ;)01:03
Hackmopvoce: that's what it tells me to do on ubuntuguide.org but it still does not work01:03
CarlK_Kamion - so I can get rid of the -- ?01:03
KamionCarlK_: they're passed to the installer as well01:03
KamionCarlK_: if I were you I'd put the -- last01:03
danielsMacPlusG3: sunday?  i thought it was only on until saturday?01:03
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KamionCarlK_: the intent is that bootloader configuration always has "--" at the end01:04
Shoda1Damn...still can't apt-get libqt-mt01:04
MacPlusG3daniels: well... they list it on ticktmaster01:04
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CarlK_Kamion - no prob, I am down to 240 chars01:04
KamionCarlK_: then people can boot with "linux mymagicargument" and have mymagicargument passed to both installer kernel and target kernel01:04
CarlK_I can spare the extra 3 ;)01:04
KamionCarlK_: losing -- is an option if you're desperate later, though01:05
danielsMacPlusG3: hm01:05
yasirfhello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server01:05
yasirfhello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server01:05
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apokryphosjesus\: yes, though I haven't tried it. Follow the instructions on the site (java one).01:05
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MacPlusG3daniels: must have put on an extra night or something.... or printed it in the guide wrong01:06
MacPlusG3daniels: no, the comedy festival web site is either wrong, or ticktmaster is taking bookings for a night that doesn't exist01:06
geneo93Kamion:  while your on the subject why didn't warty detect my smp01:07
Hackmoso anyone got any ideas why java isn't working?01:07
Kamiongeneo93: SMP kernels aren't on the CD for space reasons; it *did* detect SMP, but it fell back to the standard kernel01:08
Kamiongeneo93: netboot installations should install the SMP kernel01:08
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puppetHi all01:09
Kamiongeneo93: we've discussed this and we don't believe it's more important than, say, having more translations on the CD so that more people can make use of it01:09
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puppetIm starting to hate v4l2 :(01:09
nekrataalhello01:09
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geneo93Kamion:  why not leave open office of instead01:09
poizehttp://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=754322077423056727323d&m=screen <- does anyone know what font that is, or a font that is similar to it?01:09
Kamiongeneo93: not happening01:09
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Kamiongeneo93: it's a standard part of the Ubuntu desktop; trading it for SMP kernels would not be a sensible trade01:10
nekrataalive installed acroread from the multiverse on Hoary, but when i try to launch it it says: nekrataal@seidel:~$ acroread01:10
nekrataal/usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No existe el fichero o el directorio01:10
geneo93Kamion:  or even emacs01:10
puppetanyone know how to get back regular V4L support instead of v4l2?01:10
nekrataalwhats wrong??, i installed it using apt-get install acroread...01:10
danielsMacPlusG3: hmmmmmmm01:10
geneo93but emacs who would use that these days01:10
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Kamiongeneo93: please don't try to start an editor war here; it will not produce useful results01:11
declanI don't know about acroread, but the same happened to me.  It seems normal.  In the Ubuntu starter guide, one of them, there is a fix.  I don't have the link, but just look at the starter guides.01:11
|QuaD-nekrataal: you know there are pdf readers included with debian?01:11
declanAcrobat is sometimes the most reliable01:11
kevman`Where is Xmms installed?01:12
meanimalhas anyone had considerable experience using all three of arch linux, slackware, and ubuntu? i've been using slackware for years, but feeling like its sole maintainer might not be enough to keep it going.. :)01:12
nekrataal|QuaD-, yes, but they are the hell of slowers compared to acroread01:12
nekrataalit takes for ever to chanche the page on large files..01:12
CarlK_Kamion - is the hosthame come before or after preseed/url=http://192.168.1.22/preseed.cfg ?01:12
geneo93Kamion:  but isn't gedit enough01:12
|QuaD-nekrataal: ok01:12
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declan/usr/bin/xmms01:12
KamionCarlK_: order on the kernel command line isn't important01:12
Kamionat least not the position of debconf preseeds01:13
poizehttp://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=754322077423056727323d&m=screen <- does anyone know what font that is, or a font that is similar to it?01:13
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CarlK_Kamion - so I have to pass it as a kernel parameter, not set it in preseed.cfg01:13
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KamionCarlK_: oh, sorry, I see what you mean now01:13
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KamionCarlK_: it's before01:14
netmonkhello! how do i add fonts in hoary?01:14
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CarlK_Kamion - know what I need to pass? (or where the docs for this is)01:14
kevman`declan, isn't there a folder where it stores plugins and stuff?01:14
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meanimalpoize, might be smoothansi?01:14
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loaofwar3hi i am new to ubuntu and hav trouble with the apt-get option01:14
declanI don't know.  Let's see...01:14
sysrqanyone else having issues with dpkg freezing and then going defunct on hoary?01:14
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loaofwar3can any help me with the apt-get ?01:15
KamionCarlK_: the question name is in the example preseed file in manual section C.101:15
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KamionCarlK_: netcfg/get_hostname=whatever01:15
Fackamatoloaofwar3: ?01:15
apokryphos7loaofwar3: what's the problem?01:15
poizemeanimal thanks ill look01:15
loaofwar3i am trying to install acroread01:15
CarlK_Kamion - thanks.01:15
loaofwar3but apt get says it cant find package01:15
KamionCarlK_: which will put you over your limit, I guess - what's your current line?01:15
meanimalpoize, it probably isn't actually, i think it's andale mono01:15
Quest-Masterloaofwar3: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?01:16
nekrataalthanks i found the solution01:16
nekrataal;)01:16
meanimalalthough smoothansi is nice.01:16
loaofwar3yes01:16
loaofwar3i do01:16
loaofwar3heres the error message i get01:16
meanimalAndale Mono i find is more productive though01:16
|QuaD-loaofwar3: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#acroread01:16
Quest-Masterloaofwar3: sudo apt-get update01:16
loaofwar3i did01:16
KamionCarlK_: I almost wonder if it might not make more sense to combine kickstart and traditional preseeding in your case :-)01:16
poizethanks01:16
sickFLameHi. Is there any VPN client in Hoary Live supporting MS Encryption ? I cant find the "pptp-client" included in standart install cd.01:16
nekrataaldamn its ugly....01:16
nekrataalheheh01:16
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Kamionbut kickstart in Ubuntu is still *completely* undocumented so that's probably not helpful01:16
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CarlK_Kamion - stil under (I dumped a path and have another to spare)01:17
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nekrataalanyone knows about a GTK version of the acrobar reader???01:17
loaofwar3sorry i got disconnected01:17
loaofwar3for pasting the error message01:17
KamionsickFLame: the pptp-linux package is on the CD01:17
nekrataalits really nasty hahah01:17
loaofwar3i guess it was too long01:17
meanimalnekrataal, try ggv01:17
apokryphos7loaofwar3: are you on hoary?01:17
loaofwar3nope01:17
loaofwar3i am running 4.1001:17
nekrataalmeanimal, its to slow....01:17
mjrnekrataal, it's currently in beta01:17
loaofwar34.10 on a amd6401:17
nekrataalon big files..01:17
meanimali don't think there are other options01:17
nekrataalmjr, ??01:17
meanimalbesides xpdf, but that's not gtk !01:18
nekrataalthe gtk version of the acrobat reader?01:18
apokryphos7loaofwar3: it should be there... in Multiverse repository.01:18
CarlK_Kamion -  http://phpfi.com/5524801:18
loaofwar3its not there01:18
loaofwar3i cant even connect to the last 4 servers01:18
loaofwar3every time i go to the package management gui01:18
loaofwar3it gives me error message01:18
hardyCan i install LimeWire through Synaptic?01:18
CarlK_Kamion - I moved initrd.gz to the root of my tftp dir01:18
loaofwar3cant connect to the servers01:18
apokryphos7loaofwar3: some people are reporting repository problems... that might be why01:18
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KamionCarlK_: netcfg/wireless_wep there is a dup, you can drop it01:18
black_Nightmareany of you play lincity? :p01:18
Kamionthe first one01:18
CarlK_doh01:18
apokryphos7loaofwar3: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?01:18
Quest-MasterWhat's happening to the repos.?01:18
kevman`Where do I put plugins for Xmms?01:18
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loaofwar3ok ill try01:19
geneo93ahh you need to enable them01:19
apokryphos7erm01:19
sickFLameKamion, it is included in the INSTALL Cd but i can't find it in the Live CD Packets LIST, so that's why am asking.01:19
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darkgamer20hey everyone01:19
darkgamer20how is everyone to day?01:19
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KamionsickFLame: oh, you said "can't find ... on the standard install CD"01:19
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KamionsickFLame: that kind of software is not on the live CD as yet, although there's been some discussion about adding it there01:20
black_NightmareI'm finding lincity quite fun -- got to thank that I noticed it in the software list then noticed there was a win32 port01:20
black_Nightmare:)01:20
puppetno one that have check on v4l2 and v4l?01:20
KamionCarlK_: anyhow, really sleep time now ...01:20
CarlK_Kamion - thanks for your help01:20
loaofwar3just pasted it01:20
CarlK_I think you gave me what I need to get 3 boxe up tonight01:20
sickFLameKamion, Thank you, and excuse me for the wrong question below.01:21
loaofwar3apokryphos7: loaofwar3: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list? just pasted it01:21
jesus\"keyboard shortcuts" are cool, but how can I combine the "windows" key with a character?01:21
pvoceok...back01:21
loaofwar3http://www.pastebin.com/26155101:21
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declankevman, do you need to put them somewhere manually?  Are you apt-getting them?01:21
morgalahey would you guys say ubuntu is more or less resource hungry than win xp?01:22
apokryphosloaofwar3: and an apt-get update is not successful?01:22
pvoceE: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 201:22
loaofwar3i followed the exact instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories01:22
kevman`I need to place it in Xmms's plugin directory01:22
loaofwar3ill try update again01:22
declanJust curious. I don't know much about these things myself.01:22
apokryphosmorgala: more resource hungry, as in... more hdd space taken up.01:22
pvoceis that with the actual .deb file or something on my end?01:22
kevman`But, I can't find Xmms's dir01:22
loaofwar3still cant connect to the last 4 links01:22
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morgalaprocessor and ram?01:22
declanI just apt-got xmms-flac and xmms-shn, without wondering where to put them01:22
loaofwar3nope apt update dont owrk01:22
apokryphosmorgala: oh. Hmm, not quite sure. It depends on your desktop environment etc..01:23
WhiteRabbitapt-get update01:23
loaofwar3i guess it has problems with 64bit ver?01:23
loaofwar3is it a bug?01:23
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odie5533welcome :D01:23
apokryphosloaofwar3: since others have been reporting errors tonight, I wouldn't presuppose that. I recommend updating your sources in a few hours and re-trying01:24
TripleBlahello01:24
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morgalayeah... i know it is a bit of a dumb wuestion but i want a desktop linux for 5-3 year old systems... min p2 450 min 128mb ram... 3gb hdd01:24
loaofwar3i hav been trying since yesterday01:24
pvocethats the most debug I can get with the term scroll01:24
declanIs it /usr/lib/xmms/input?01:24
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loaofwar3is the servers just down?01:24
apokryphosmorgala: that should run fine with Linux01:24
loaofwar3how else can i view pdf files?01:24
pvocemorgala: outside of the ubuntu, older slack versions are good for them01:24
loaofwar3i really need to read pdf01:25
apokryphosloaofwar3: can you pastebin all the errors?01:25
morgalaoh and i want a desktop linux that would make win users happy...01:25
declanSorry kevman, make that /usr/lib/xmms/Input01:25
loaofwar3ok01:25
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pvocemorgala: Im sorry, I dont know of any distros that BSOD:))01:25
apokryphosmorgala: Linux requires diligence to get used to, but Windoze -> Ubuntu is not too extreme. I would recommend it, sure.01:25
loaofwar3just pasted01:26
loaofwar3http://pastebin.com/26155301:26
ewhittenI have an amd64 system w/ an nforce3 motherboard an ati x800 card that keeps spontaneously locking up.  anyone have any thoughts?01:26
ewhitten(running hoary)01:26
morgalaewhitten: is everything keeping its cool?01:26
pvoceehitten: is it just locking up as in the x-server or the entire box?01:26
ewhittenentire box... and no outputs to /var/log/messages01:27
ewhittenmorgala: I should think so.  Antec case with way too many fans on it. :)01:27
apokryphosloaofwar3: comment out the nerim ones there and retry01:27
ewhittenbut I guess I could grab gkrellm and take a look.01:27
pvoceewitten: is it rebooting spontaneously at all?01:27
loaofwar3ok01:27
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morgalaewhitten: mmmm... aahhhh... antec case... droool...01:28
ewhittenpvoce: nope.  just complete lock...never had a linux box do this in like 10 years. :-/01:28
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pvoceehitten: Neither have I...thats why I ask:)  Can you drop out of X to cl and run from there for a while?01:28
morgalaewhitten: have you tested the box with other OS?01:28
ewhittenmorgala: yes, it occasionally runs windows off another drive.01:29
ewhittenand will stay up for days.  or, at least until it bluescreens. ;)01:29
loaofwar3i get new error mesage01:29
loaofwar3http://pastebin.com/26155501:29
pvoceewhitten: or the better question is, does it lockup while youre only in console?01:29
geneo93pvoce:  i did me no help doing that did same thing01:30
ewhittenpvoce:  I really haven't been only at the console for long enough to check.01:30
moyogoanybody managed to get apache2 working with ssl?01:30
moyogoon hoary01:30
pvocegeneo: your machine has locked up on you in console?01:30
loaofwar3and even if i commend out the last source i still cant install acroread01:30
ewhittenI am running the fglrx driver for my video card, but leaving it on the generic ati didn't help either.01:30
apokryphosloaofwar3: you did an update first, right?01:31
pvoceewhitten: See if you can do that.  IF its the OS, youll receive the same results.  If not, its probably and x serve or video driver issue01:31
geneo93yes several times xterm01:31
apokryphosloaofwar3: it doesn't make any sense though, because it still shouldn't give that original error01:31
loaofwar3yes01:31
pvoceewhitten:nvidia driver?01:31
loaofwar3i did numerous updates01:31
ewhittenpvoce:  fglrx (ati) driver01:31
loaofwar3by using apt-get update01:32
ewhittenI had another machine with an ati 9200 that never had problems.  so sad.01:32
geneo93pvoce:  i think that may be it01:32
loaofwar3the server doesnt hav the files01:32
pvocegeneo: XTerm is a terminal IN X.  You need t get out of X Server altogther to just command line01:32
ewhittenof course, fglrxconfig doesn't see my card as being supported.01:32
apokryphosloaofwar3: someone might have removed it; that's what the error suggests. Try posting your error in #ubuntu-devel or putting it on the mailing list01:32
geneo93nvidia01:32
loaofwar3ok how do i post it on mailing list?01:33
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typois doind a dist-upgrade from debian sid to ubuntu hoary a good idea?01:33
pvoceewhitten: did you get the driver from the ATI site?01:33
apokryphosloaofwar3: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users01:33
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Quest-Mastertypo: A lot of people have done that before and have had no problems. Maybe someone in this channel has experience01:35
apokryphosloaofwar3: you just wrote about completely different errors :). You shouldn't ask about that in there... I was talking about the acroread one01:35
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loaofwar3o01:35
loaofwar3ic01:35
loaofwar3oops01:35
kraQhi all01:35
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typoQuest-Master: ok, thanks01:36
kraQI'm having problems installing openoffice.org 2.0 beta, it seems that there are missing package:01:36
moyogoahhh... silly me... i was putting the correct line at the wrong place01:36
typodoes anyone know of a Portuguese (.pt) mirror for the ubuntu packages?01:36
kraQarc@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search org201:36
kraQopenoffice.org2-common - OpenOffice.org office suite architecture independent files01:36
kraQopenoffice.org2-debian-files - Debian specific parts of OpenOffice.org01:36
kraQopenoffice.org2-l10n-en-us - english_american language package for OpenOffice.org01:36
kraQsorry for the flood, openoffice.org2-core is missing for example01:37
kraQdoes anyone know if I have something wrong? maybe an apt source?01:37
lamontloaofwar3: looks like the packages file isn't there on ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net01:37
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lamontand nothing more01:37
loaofwar3ok01:37
puppetno one that have check on v4l2 and v4l? since gnomemeeting dont work at all now kinda :/ But the rest work with cam its just kinda gnomemeeting01:37
loaofwar3then how can i install acroread?01:37
maddlerloaofwar3... download it from acrobat?01:38
maddler:)01:38
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sabmocloaofwar3, I installed it from apt01:39
sabmochas it disapeared since then?01:39
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apokryphosloaofwar3: :(. Better go for the mailing list then.. if you're sure that you get a "hit" for the Universe repository in apt-get update01:39
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lamont acroread_5.09-0.0_i386.deb is in the warty archive....01:40
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apokryphos*Multiverse01:40
kevman`Anybody still have that link on how to disable IPv6?01:40
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setite_whats the winamp clone01:40
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sabmockevman`, open firefox go to about:config01:41
lamontapokryphos: yeah, is multiverse01:41
sabmocthen search ipv6 and you'll find it01:41
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apokryphossetite: xmms01:41
geneo93xmms01:41
kraQbeep01:42
kraQ:-)01:42
kevman`Wow, its so much faster.01:42
setite_anyone know how to get my monitors native resolution to work01:42
setite_everything i try buggers the display01:42
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sabmockevman`, did you find it?01:42
kevman`Yes, and it cut the time to load a page in half.01:43
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britt_radiofreeok so I completely borked my mono. is anyone willing to take pity on me and spend a few minutes helping me figure this out (that has the mono config know-how)?01:43
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kevman`WTF?01:45
LinuxJonesbritt_radiofree, maybe try #ubuntu-devel01:45
LinuxJonesbritt_radiofree, they are very busy but someont there might be able to help01:46
crimsunthat's a #ubuntu question01:46
kevman`Does Ubuntu come with video4linux enabled?01:46
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sabmocWoOt! Mozilla Firefox Market Share Exceeds 6 Percent01:48
HrdwrBoBexceeeds 6?01:48
HrdwrBoBit's more than that01:48
sabmocyes, but only 0.001 more, but still 6% is a good milestone01:49
geneo93kevman`:  yes01:49
kevman`Hm.01:50
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geneo93kevman`:  check you /ect/x11/xfree or xorg config01:51
calcHrdwrBoB: depends on the site i guess01:51
calcthough 6% does seem low01:51
JanCsabmoc : that's their market share metered by 1 company...01:51
calcsince at least half of that would be linux users01:52
kraQcalc: don't think so01:52
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ewhitten*sigh*01:52
calckraQ: eh? about which part?01:52
kevman`Well, I have to get out here and go do work. Thanks for all your help, guys01:52
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kraQcalc: about that half01:53
JanCI see 10-20% market share for Firefox on a lot of sites...01:53
calcthere is at least 3% of the desktop market using linux01:53
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ewhittenis that including people who buy windows pre-loaded and then format?01:53
calcand a large majority of those are running firefox01:53
ewhittenthat's an awfully hard stat to track.01:53
calcewhitten: i think its the general estimate for used linux boxes01:54
sabmocJanC, I think even the mozilla team estimates it to be around 6-7% right now01:54
kraQcalc: |desktop market| != |browser market|01:54
ewhittenisn't apple predicted to have 5% of the desktop by end of year?01:54
JanCeven my ISP says they have +9% of firefox users now01:54
calcewhitten: aiui that is the lower conservative range01:54
calcewhitten: yea i saw someone predicting that01:54
kraQcalc: and there are a lot of users using konqueror || opera instead of firefox01:54
jnoonwhich package installs sqlite? which repo would i need?01:54
JanCand their portal site is something where a user with a clue only comes if he really needs01:54
setite_anyone know how to get sound working with an audigy 201:55
ewhittenhmmm... interesting.01:55
setite_im hearing nothing01:55
ewhittensetite_:  i have one01:55
ewhittenaudigy 2 zs platinum01:55
calcone site i regularly look at shows gecko (moz/ff) at ~ 26% vs ~ 1.8% for opera01:55
setite_i have that... not platinum though01:55
calcand konq is so low its not even on the list01:55
setite_but im hearing nothing01:55
ewhittensetite_:  shouldn't make a difference..  I actually had to drop down to the console and use alsamixer.01:55
sabmocJanC, http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=626301:56
ewhittensetite_:  there are a few switches that I don't think get properly flipped in gnome volume control.01:56
kraQcalc: that depends of the scope of that pages, that has no meaning at all01:56
ewhittensetite_:  I just ran the gstreamer-properties pipe test (one long tone) and kept unmuting things until I had it.01:56
typodoes hoary have WPA/802.1x integrated with the desktop?01:56
setite_console...alsamixer what01:56
JanCbut IE is still very popular in asia I heard, so maybe universal figures are lower than than european & maybe american ones?01:56
kraQcalc: maybe the google browsers and os visitors rank would be more ilustrative01:56
setite_im a total noob01:56
ewhittensetite_:  Oh, sorry. :)  open gnome-terminal and type: sudo alsamixer01:57
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ewhittensetite_:  go to System -> Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector and hit the top Test button01:58
geneo93ewhitten:  why sudo01:58
ewhittengeneo93: force of habit?01:58
calckraQ: google doesn't track it anymore (at least publically)01:58
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setite_nothing01:58
black_Nightmareso is there nothing ubuntu can't do by itself??? (*next* to emulating of course)01:58
black_Nightmare:p01:58
ewhittenthis is interesting...  I set my fglrx driver to use the kernel's AGPGART and now the card's in 8x mode instead of 4x.01:58
geneo93yeah he dont need it01:59
ewhitten<--- sheepishly hides his vmware icon. ;)01:59
ewhittengeneo93:  you do need sudo to use alsactl store, though, iirc01:59
geneo93ahh user owns alsamixer02:00
setite_ok what do i do02:01
setite_i have no sound02:01
geneo93i mean you can set it for root user also02:01
setite_tone is off whate4ver that is02:01
geneo93setite did you modprobe02:02
setite_no02:02
setite_i havent done anything02:02
setite_i dunno what to do02:02
geneo93does it tell you what card you have02:02
geneo93in alsamixer02:02
setite_yea02:02
setite_its recognized02:03
geneo93ok thats a start02:03
geneo93what card02:03
setite_yea see thats why i figured it would "just work"02:04
Fackamatoanyone used mame?02:04
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geneo93setite go through all them settings and make sure pcm or wave aint muted02:05
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setite_well on regular mixer its not02:06
setite_on alsa mixer tone is off02:06
setite_i cant figure out how to chane it02:06
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LinuxJonessetite, you have onboard sound ?02:07
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setite_no02:07
setite_audigy 2 zs02:07
geneo93m will change it02:07
daniel_bhHi everybody. I am ubuntu new user02:07
daniel_bhIt is great !02:07
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Fackamatohihi02:08
setite_ok tone is on...02:08
setite_still nothing02:08
daniel_bhanybody from Brazil here ?02:08
geneo93setite maybe the suround is off or switched02:09
geneo93right left arrow setite and up down02:10
setite_huh02:10
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geneo93thats how to scroll through alsamixer02:11
setite_yes got it02:11
setite_the analog/digital output jack option02:12
setite_had to set it to on02:12
geneo93cool beans02:12
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hwmhello all. I am having trouble getting firefox to recognize the java plugin.  Help!02:13
setite_really cool beans... now i must sleep before work02:13
setite_thanks geneo02:13
geneo93setite np02:15
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Gus_25anybody from brasil here?02:16
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hwmI installed the free java sdk package and made the syumbolic link to libjavaplugin_oji.so, but it doesn't run applets on web pages02:17
Gus_25I installed the ubuntu but it didnt find my mouse...02:17
geneo93i'm from my mama02:17
Gus_25good for you02:17
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Gus_25if u r really sure of that..02:18
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hwmI previously got java to work on Firefox with a different ubuntu installation, but I can't remember what (if anything) I did differently.02:18
geneo93Gus_25:  get th neighbors cat02:18
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Gus_25grow up...02:18
Gus_25and then try to be funy..02:19
geneo93hey i'm fully grown02:19
knucksanyone use tvtime here?02:19
hwmDoes anyone out there have a process that does work for enabling java applets in Firefox in umbuntu?  Any actual information appreciated02:19
geneo93and quite old at that02:20
Gus_25hahahha02:20
geneo93knucks:  yes02:20
Gus_25if you say so...02:20
knucksgeneo93: did you have to finetune your channels?02:20
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geneo93past mid life02:21
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knucksI have to finetune all my channels02:21
knucksand then when i close tvtime and open it again, they are all back to the default crap look02:21
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geneo93knucks:  no but i did have some playing around to get it to work02:21
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knucksdo your settings save?02:21
robertj_You know, the more I think, the more I believe clear looks is the best theme I have seen yet.02:22
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pxrohow to change colordepth of monitor in ubuntu ?02:22
pxrodidn't find anything02:23
geneo93seems to now ok02:23
robertj_pxro: AFAIK there is no way to do it through the gui02:23
pxrohow else ?02:23
robertj_if it isn't as high as you can go, something is probably b0rk in the auto detection02:23
Gus_25how do i configure the mouse??02:23
pxroshice02:24
geneo93in xfree or xorg config file02:24
knucksgeneo: how do i remove the channel number and everytrhing on the top of the screen?02:24
robertj_you can edit the default color depth in your X config file with a text editor but my guess is it won't work02:24
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knucksi dont want to stare at the channel # and the clock02:24
Gus_25tx02:24
hwmRepeat - having difficulty getting java applets to run under Firefox.  Have installed open java sdk and inserted symbolic link per Firefox FAQ, but still doesn't work.  Any suggestions?02:24
robertj_I've got a monitor that only does 16bit under Ubuntu, if i edit the color depth it wont sync02:24
geneo93knucks:  that goes away on its own for me02:24
robertj_even though it runs fine under Windows02:24
knucksweird..02:24
geneo93like 30 seconds after02:25
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hwmrobertj - x-windows is a kind of black magic. Best luck I have had is stealing someone else's config files that work (for no definable reason)02:26
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robertj_hwm: It's not really black magic is the lack of a hardware database02:26
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knucksgeneo did u configure the program guide and all?02:26
robertj_for instance, my monitor at work says "sure I can do this" and so Ubuntu sets it as my default res for X, but in fact the monitor just gives me a black screen02:27
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robertj_I google for the monitor, get the correct values, but there is noowhere upstream to send this info02:27
geneo93no02:27
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hwmrobertj - but there's all kinds of muimmery about the order in which things get turned on and an awful lot of tribal knowledge settings02:27
robertj_no database that will cause it work right in the next version of Ubuntu or for anyone else02:27
robertj_hwm: it does suck, noone contests that02:27
SeeleyUSMCYaya!02:27
robertj_AFAIK the goal is that next year if you have problems you can rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and be happy02:27
SeeleyUSMCI still can't get my internal wireless card to work, but I found that a cheap US Robotics card works for it automatically02:28
geneo93robertj you have warty or hoary02:28
hwmIs there anyone online now who can help me to get java to function under firefox in ubuntu???02:28
ironwolfhwm: yes02:29
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Glad to hear it.02:29
hwmironwolf - ok  let's hear it.02:29
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robertj_gene: both02:29
geneo93hwm google ubuntu java02:29
|QuaD-hwm: www.ubuntuguide.org02:30
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog, I'm still going to work on getting the internal to work so maybe I can write a simpleton's HOWTO and maybe help someone else out02:30
robertj_gene: I've got warty on one intel box, hoary i386 on a desktop and a laptop and hoary ppc on a laptop02:30
robertj_at work I've got hoary ppc on my desktop02:30
robertj_(as well as 10.3)02:30
geneo93robertj and both do the same02:30
YomicI need help setting up my printer (or my sister will bite my head off)02:30
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: I think the trouble is more deeply rooted than that.  I think that you've got some oddball implementation of an Atheros chip that the madwifi driver simply doesn't know about.02:31
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robertj_gene: well I haven't hooked it up to my laptop yet02:31
robertj_I need to, but it's my wifes machine ;)02:31
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog, could be02:31
robertj_gene: its a very crappy monitor too02:31
robertj_do you know much about this sort of thing02:31
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: What driver does your USR card use?02:32
geneo93oh dont get in trouble02:32
robertj_It really doesn't matter to me, it runs XP all day anyway and I'm buying myself a new machine in 3 months and she gets mine ;)02:32
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog, but until I'm for sure about it, I'll keep using this card02:32
geneo93i know how that is02:32
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Of course! :-)02:32
robertj_(I buy a $300 machine every year)02:32
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog, I'm not sure.  I just popped it in and it worked02:32
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: That's the way it should be.02:32
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog, The box said it supported Linux so I just figured I'd try it out02:32
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DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Which card is it?02:33
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black_Nightmareyyeeeeeeaahhhhhhhh02:33
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geneo93robertj i've had the same machine for the last 4 years02:33
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YomicCan anyone lead me to a tutorial showing my how to setup a printer in warty? (It is a Lex x83)02:33
robertj_gene: ack, get a new one!02:33
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: build a basic city, put it on fast to get lots of money, then start developing02:33
robertj_gene: I bought my machine at Office Max for $300 after rebates02:34
drossmmmmm.. 2000 FPS02:34
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robertj_My next machine is going to be a Dell with 17" flat panel at $500 total02:34
SeeleyUSMCDarthFrog, Its the US Robotics 802.11g Wireless Turbo PC/PCI02:34
geneo93robertj this is a dually loaded02:34
black_Nightmarequad....read these numbers....02:34
DarthFrogSeeleyUSMC: Is there a model #?02:34
drossrobertj_: dell isn't that great02:34
NetwrkMonkeySeeleyUSMC, it's prolly a broadcom chip02:35
robertj_dross: there monitors are above average and a 17" float panel + any new machine with 512 megs of ram is a good deal for $50002:35
NetwrkMonkeyif it is ... well... you need the ndiswrapper or linuxant drivers02:35
geneo93home brew msi mobo02:35
robertj_also they tend to be rather quiet02:35
drossrobertj_: depends on the hardware02:35
NetwrkMonkeyotherwise go to madwifi.sourceforge.net02:35
DarthFrogNetwrkMonkey: If he just plugged it in and it worked, it ain't a Broadcom chip, for sure.02:35
drossrobertj_: doesn't matter the price, you need to learn more about computers02:35
robertj_dross: why?02:35
NetwrkMonkeyDarthFrog, oh heh ;-)02:35
black_Nightmare72560 people, 4.6 tech level, 11772 food, 3362 jobs, 1459 coal, 17982 goods, 11773 ore, 6754 steel, 29M money ... and pretty much almost all of the numbers are staying somewhat neutral but cash slowly going upward02:35
SeeleyUSMCACX 111?02:36
drossrobertj_: it can be a 3.0GHz p4, with a cheap motherboard, and run like crap due to cheap hardware02:36
black_Nightmarequad...I've got tons of communes...some blacksmithers...tons of markets....several potteries02:36
robertj_dross: so its cheap02:36
black_Nightmarehehe02:36
drossthough p4 is screwed by design02:36
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: ar you still building/ developing?02:36
drossrobertj_: you should get a laptop02:36
robertj_dross: I have 202:36
drossrobertj_: M35-S456 for only 130002:36
black_Nightmarequad...nah mostly letting it sit now....trying figure how to push it past tech 4.6 now thou02:36
drosswonderful power of P-M 1.7GHz(faster than a p4 3.2 GHz)02:36
robertj_dross: I've got a 1.6 gig celeron/512 ram/30 gig hd/DVD I bought 2.5 years ago for $760 after S&H and tax from dell02:36
NetwrkMonkeywhat's the wifi problem?02:37
black_NightmareI don't even have any early windmills = wondering if I can wait for the better powerplants or what02:37
drossrobertj_: yuck, celeron02:37
robertj_dross: its fine02:37
black_Nightmaredross...what is wrong with celerons?02:37
black_Nightmarerobertj..ya looks fine02:37
drossrobertj_: heres a nickel kid, get yourself some good hardware02:37
robertj_dross: I've got good hardware02:37
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|QuaD-heh, i amg going to build a dual opteron box this summer :)02:37
drossblack_Nightmare: much is wrong, You obviously haven't studied the difference02:37
robertj_its 6 or 7 months old and I'm getting a new computer in 3 months02:37
DarthFrogblack_Nightmare: They're overpriced and under-engineered.02:37
alakdananyone familiar with keycodes or uinput.h ?02:37
drossbesides different power design(takes more power), they are slower02:37
black_Nightmaredross..no I think you're not quite getting it02:37
drossblack_Nightmare: money is nothing02:38
dross1300 is pocket change02:38
robertj_I've got a really good monitor, a good keyboard and mouse, etc.02:38
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drossblack_Nightmare: I think you are not understanding the difference in being cheap02:38
sal002Anyone else experienced weird network dropping problems in hoary?02:38
drosssal002: nope.02:38
black_Nightmaredarthfrog..last I checked several months ago.. celeron 2ghz for $89cdn and pentium 1.8ghz 512K for $134cdn  -- and this was supplies straight from intel02:38
robertj_I am cheap though02:38
DarthFrogsal002: Happened to me this morning on my laptop.02:38
black_Nightmareand the celeron still was a 512K model02:38
robertj_I appreciate frugality02:38
sal002Hmm..using tulip driver, and the network connection drops after so long02:38
drossrobertj_: I guess the saying is true though. You get what you pay for ;)02:39
sal002DarthFrog: Good!  It happens to someone else.02:39
black_Nightmareor thats what the box was able to tell me (gesture: nice store for letting me look at the glass shelves)02:39
drosssal002: theres your problem, the tulip driver02:39
robertj_The only problem I have had with my emachine is the noise, so I bought a quieter fan and have been happy02:39
drosssal002: running a cheap network card?02:39
drosssal002: realtek?02:39
drossrobertj_: how sad.02:40
black_Nightmarequad ~ you recoken I have to build one early windmill or something to get higher tech level?02:40
DarthFrogblack_Nightmare: $89 is still too much for that chip!  The p4 is a bad enough chip in itself that the castration to a Celeron makes it a laugher.02:40
geneo93emachines are cheap everything02:40
robertj_gene: true, but it owrks02:40
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DarthFroggeneo93: The new eMachines laptops are nice, very nice.02:40
dabiis it possible to set so ubuntu logs every incoming connection date/time, ip, session time, port, etc..? i have apache2 and webmin.02:40
drossDarthFrog: not really02:40
drossDarthFrog: I've used a couple, they were disappointing02:40
geneo93i have two here someone gave me for parts02:40
drossand again.. you get what you pay for.. utter crap02:40
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|QuaD-black_Nightmare: no idea... haven't played in a few months02:41
dross40 minute battery < *02:41
robertj_dross: don't cry for me, I'm the one who buys all the stuff at work "cheap" and I'm going to buy myself a very nice G5 with some very nice monitors and a very nice kvm and a very cheap dell to sit beside my desk on the kvm02:41
black_Nightmarequad..hm ok no problem then :p02:41
geneo93DarthFrog:  you want a real laptop get an alienware02:41
hamswhen gnome starts, i get the error "failed to initialize HAL!", what does that mean?02:41
black_Nightmareone word: if you think celeron are cheap then I am going to guess you keep spending $$$ on the most newest piece of tech you can even find....simple as it02:41
robertj_and then I'm going to have my very nice lackey do a presentation for me and I'm going to go to the gym and think about what I want to think about02:41
black_Nightmarerobertj ;-)02:41
DarthFroggeneo93: I've drooled over them!  Gotta win the 6/49 first, though.02:42
dross3 hour battery  is okay.. but a 3 hour battery and external battery to boot to 8-10 hours ++02:42
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|QuaD-black_Nightmare: i 2 ghz celeron is slower than a 2 ghz pentium02:42
drossrobertj_: thats fine, just be aware I've a nice powerbook ;)02:42
athoquestion again02:42
sal002dross: network card bult into motherboard - sis02:42
black_Nightmarerobertj ~ you thinking of the newer dual-G5 with 16x dvdrw? lol02:42
drossrobertj_: 1500USD is pocket change02:42
geneo93HAL's on vacation02:42
black_Nightmarequad...just for the record..cache is not quite 'all things'02:42
drosssal002: theres your problem there buddy ;)02:42
sal002dross: However, no problems whatsoever in warty02:42
drosssal002: you need to go get another net card02:42
hamsgeneo93, when02:42
sal002or go back to warty02:42
drosssal002: buy a decent one, not a realtek02:43
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: right, but look at benchmarks02:43
hamsgeneo93, when's HAL getting back?02:43
black_Nightmaresome particular beachmarks would put same-mhz celeron and pentium on the same lines anyhow02:43
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geneo93DarthFrog:  my ship hasn't come in either02:43
robertj_black: really I'll get the cheaper 1.8 with a ton of hd space and extras unless I decide I'd rather use Virtual PC to free up some floor space, in which case I'll get the dual 2.502:43
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csjhello, I want to remove everything except  some packages, so I use dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | egrep -v "(pkg1|pkg2|pgk3|..|long to pkg100)" | apt-get remove --purge -y, but remove nothing, is egrep cant handle too long expression?02:43
robertj_I'm mainly looking forward to my dual 19" ultrasharps02:43
sal002dross: Just frustrating it work in warty...and it even worked in OpenDarwin (which supports like 5 network cards)02:43
geneo93some time next week02:44
black_Nightmarerobertj ~ hmm good thought, try get a dualie still anyhow ;)  (I'm sure they started making dual's since the 1.0ghz G402:44
black_Nightmare;)02:44
DarthFroggeneo93: Tell you what, I win the 6/49, I'll buy you a top of the line Alienware laptop.  You win, you buy me one. :-)02:44
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: i am building a dual opteron soon02:44
robertj_black: I just don't need a dual proc machine unless I do VPC.02:44
black_Nightmarequad :p02:44
robertj_if I wanted to abuse some hardware I've got friends in research computing02:44
|QuaD-i want to build a dual ppc machine, but too hard to find the ppc mobo's and components02:44
black_NightmareI'm just trying to figure where to buy one piece of older hardware to upgrade my pc with -- perhaps run ubuntu better that way02:44
robertj_(speaking of which we now have a full on-campus mirror of ubuntu!)02:45
geneo93DarthFrog:  deal02:45
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black_Nightmarequad...umm...don't you mean something like a MP macintosh? (early dualie's)02:45
drosssal002: opendarwin is bsd and mach based02:45
robertj_black: don't, please don't. Save up $300 and get a new machine02:45
athoMy install hangs at the "starting hotplug sybsystem" guys02:45
|QuaD-MP macintosh? eh?02:45
athoplease help02:45
drosssal002: you are dealing with linux. Where support for cheap hardware is non-existant02:45
sal002dross: right..just saying...works there...works in warty...no go in hoary...me thinks the card isn't the problem ;)02:45
robertj_QuaD: yeah, for a while you couldn't buy a single proc G5 ;)02:45
geneo93black_Nightmare:  now where were you02:45
black_Nightmarerobertj ~ and for what particular reason when I don't really play much 3D games at all? :p02:45
|QuaD-robertj_: lol02:45
black_Nightmarequad... early dual-cpu macintosh (before the G3 was even out) were called MP's for some reason.  not sure what it quite stands for02:46
black_Nightmaregeneo....you asking where I live?02:46
robertj_black: I got mine and it was much much faster, came with a bigger hd, etc.02:46
calcmultiprocessor?02:46
geneo93oh teah the only intel duallys now are xeons02:46
|QuaD-i want to basically build a cheaper dual g5 tower (cuz they mark up the price a lot)02:46
calcgeneo93: and ia6402:46
black_Nightmarecalc..doh..good one.. *bangs my head here*02:46
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DarthFrog|QuaD-: Steve Jobs doesn't want you doing that.02:47
calc|QuaD-: the rumor is that apple with have dual dual-core g5's at WWDC02:47
black_Nightmarecalc....do you know that some earlier macintosh's were also clones as well?02:47
robertj_btw, mack hardware blows these days02:47
geneo93yeah but thats quite expensive for desktop machune02:47
robertj_I have a batch of G5s, 9/16 machines have been in for repair on 18 different occasions02:47
|QuaD-calc: that would be nice, but doesn't solve my problem :(02:47
calcblack_Nightmare: before jobs came back they allowed 3rd parties to make macs, yes02:47
athoCalc, what about the powerbrick?02:48
athoDid Terrasoft just feel like paying the royalty price?02:48
calcatho: no idea, though it would be nice if they updated that to a g502:48
black_Nightmarecalc ~ well one such clone was somewhat a madness [if you forget about the os limitations at these times]  ...02:48
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DarthFrog|QuaD-: Just get a minimac. :-)02:48
geneo93robertj i've never really seen any difference its all junk too me02:48
black_Nightmarea QUAD macintosh :p02:48
athoCalc, I don't think they sell bricks anymore02:48
black_Nightmareit used 604 (604e?) cpu cards02:48
|QuaD-DarthFrog: i would get a laptop if i wanted something that small02:48
jsgotangcowow02:48
black_Nightmarecan you image 4x cpu thou?02:48
calcatho: ah i thought you were calling powerbook a "powerbrick" :)02:49
athoXD02:49
athoNaw.02:49
|QuaD-DarthFrog: though i would buy my parents a mini if they called me and told me they needed a new comp02:49
black_NightmareI think it was daystar (or powercenter?) that sold that particular individual quad-cpu clone02:49
robertj_calc: I found an unopened "OrangePC" board with 4 megs of on-board ram and a rather impressive dongle the other day02:49
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DarthFrogblack_Nightmare: Yeah, people could read their email 4X faster! :-)02:49
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black_Nightmaredarth..it was not for that reason02:49
geneo93hey anyone have a ps2 with linux kit installed02:49
black_Nightmaremore like photoshop or something that can seperate into multiply cpu threads02:49
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EricNeonhello all!02:49
calcthe only mac i have has been powered off for a few years now02:49
jsgotangcoi wish i had one02:49
athoi love my G302:50
black_Nightmaregeneo...I sometimes wish I could know about them but sony say they don't even sell any more in north america at all :|02:50
robertj_calc: what kind?02:50
athoPowerMac02:50
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calci got it around 2001, 840av 128mb ram, whee :)02:50
athoit's old as fuck02:50
athoim too poor to buy even a mac mini02:50
robertj_atho: beige or blue and white?02:50
athob&w02:50
black_Nightmarecalc..damn LOL and I was just trying to make a deal with someone on a 840av to replace one of my computer too02:50
EricNeonChineseTeam for Ubuntu will found in this day!!02:50
black_Nightmare2MB vram and 128mb ram02:50
robertj_b&w is not horrible02:50
athoi know02:50
athoi'm only 15 though02:50
jsgotangcoChinese Team kooolll02:50
athoso hopefully ill buy a g5 this summer02:50
|QuaD-i am setting up FC3 in a vm, i like ubuntu SOOO much better02:50
athowhen i can work02:50
calc840av is not anywhere near "fast"02:50
Lemonzestis it possable to install bunty on a system with only sata drives?02:50
robertj_atho: why do you want the G5?02:51
calcif you cause it to have disk i/o under linux you can type faster than it can display02:51
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robertj_calc: thats oldworld right?02:51
geneo93robertj have you tried vesa on that02:51
athojust to brag :P02:51
robertj_geneo: on the b & w?02:51
athoI might build an x86 box.02:51
calcrobertj_: pre oldworld (iirc) its a m68k 040/4002:51
jsgotangcoEricNeon: that's good! The more teams the better02:51
calcrobertj_: fastest m68k mac made02:51
hamslemonzest, was able to do it with wart amd64 install.02:51
robertj_calc: does it run sid ;)02:51
Lemonzestthanks02:51
calcrobertj_: probably, but it takes forever to install so i haven't tried02:51
calcforever being probably like a week02:52
Lemonzestgetting a 160g sata drive on thirsday02:52
Fackamatomac?02:52
black_Nightmarecalc...well I'm actually looking toward a 840av to put up as a small video station especially for avid videoshop02:52
Fackamatoamiga is better <302:52
Lemonzestand wanna put bunty on with a duel boot of xp02:52
robertj_speaking of forever to install, does bochs work well enough these days to make a disk image of for releases?02:52
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black_Nightmarethe performa I have is not so good for the task (not to mention its oftenly running tons of 68k code on top of a ppc processor..slower than normal)02:52
calcblack_Nightmare: cool02:52
EricNeonthx,jsgotangco02:52
black_Nightmareso want replace it with a 840av which is a true 68k to run these softwares faster02:52
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black_Nightmareand calc...did you know that two of the nubus slot in the 840av were made that they could kinda run double speed?  makes for some interesting really-fast hd bandwidth when you have two scsi cards working together02:53
black_Nightmareit kinda sound a tad bit like the same idea behind dual-channel ram although I dunno much details how this really works02:53
EricNeonhow can add a wiki frontpage for Chinese team at UBUNTU wiki site ?02:53
geneo93Fackamato:  your not going to start shooting if i say something bad about amiga are you02:54
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jsgotangcoEricNeon: add your ChineseTeam entry on the proposed teams located at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamList02:54
calcblack_Nightmare: ah02:54
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athogahhhh02:55
athoi hate my system02:55
Fackamatogeneo93: yes I am02:55
athohoary won't start02:55
jsgotangcoEricNeon: make sure your ChineseTeam entry has LoCoTeamList as parent02:55
athoso i have to re-download warty and manually upgrade02:55
jsgotangcoEricNeon: and also make sure you use Moin markup we intend to standardise the wiki into Moin02:55
jsgotangcoEricNeon: if you encounter problems, #ubuntu-doc is always open02:56
EricNeonoh02:56
geneo93mine is aged like wine dual p3 80002:56
athoHas anyone tried a brooktree card in ubuntu?02:56
jsgotangcohi mdz02:56
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geneo93Fackamato:  just checking02:56
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Fackamato;P;P02:57
mdzjsgotangco: hello02:57
geneo93bbiaf02:57
dweavergeneo93: Hey,  I'm back.  Remember me?02:58
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robertj_is there any way to enable vino remotely?02:58
robertj_"I'm root, it's my desktop, I want to see it!"02:58
robertj_I looked for an hour last night with no luck02:59
HrdwrBoBrobertj_: run vino-server02:59
HrdwrBoBwith the right $DISPLAY02:59
black_Nightmareoh and calc one thing...02:59
black_Nightmarethe fastest 68k in term of processor was actually IIfx02:59
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black_Nightmareit was "wicked fast" at its time...had seperate chips to handle the I/O's (even adb was a seperate chip too)02:59
black_Nightmarebut then alas all these unusual archerict in the IIfx makes it a big pain for any linux to run on.  only mac os can run on a IIfx so far yet03:00
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dweaverThings seem a little quieter than the last time I was here.  Can any body comment on the loss of audio after an apt get update.  I am working on a new install and am gun shy.03:03
Fackamatoapt-get update doesn't install anything03:03
Fackamatoso that didn't bust your sound03:03
dweaverI'm sorry, typo03:03
dweaverupgrade03:04
athohow is general TV card support in buntu?03:04
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Fackamatoatho: as good as in any other linux03:04
Fackamatoi.e. works very well03:04
athocool03:04
robertj_Hrdwr: doesn't seem to work unless its been configured befoer03:04
athoespecially brooktree, id think.03:04
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HrdwrBoBrobertj_: yes but you can run the settings program with x forwarding03:06
HrdwrBoBand then run the server locally03:06
robertj_yeah, but that's a cop-out ;)03:06
HrdwrBoBnot really03:06
killly0uAny way to Install Ubuntu via the network?03:06
HrdwrBoBit works :P03:06
HrdwrBoBworking > not working03:06
robertj_yeah03:06
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robertj_but if the service is enabled and you can auth to root via gssapi (whatever that acronym is) it should let you view!03:07
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dweaverHas anybody on right now been able to sync a pocketpc?03:10
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dweaverHello, anyone home?03:12
Akiraim home03:12
ejlozoni have set up a headless ubuntu server, and would like to set up cups03:12
^thehatsrule^i am home03:12
ejlozonwhat would the best way to go about this?03:12
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^thehatsrule^click me and die03:12
YomicOKay, I have got my printer detected and such. Now it just won't print anything :(. Can anyone help?03:12
dweaverThank you, I was getting lonely.03:12
Fackamatohr03:13
^thehatsrule^lol03:13
Fackamatocome on, someone name an arcade game03:13
dweaverYomic: what kind of printer?03:13
YomicLexmark x8303:13
YomicDetected as x12503:13
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hypa7iahey folks, anyone finding the printer config thingy in hoary is kinda broken?03:14
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hypa7iahey Rene_S !03:14
dweaverSorry,  I just went thru setting up a Canon Pixma.  Had to go with Turbo Print.  Don't know about Lexmarks.03:14
Rene_Shi hypa7ia03:15
hypa7iadweaver: i have a pixma too, though at the moment i am setting up a well-supported HP Deskjet.  how's turboprint?03:15
^thehatsrule^hey i have that printer03:15
^thehatsrule^i use it on windows tho03:15
dweaverFackamato: Tempest03:15
Fackamatodweaver: what's that like?03:15
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hypa7iathe pixma was cheeeep03:16
hypa7iaand worst case, my roomie is on win2k :-/03:16
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dweaverhypa7ia: I have a iP400, wasn't so cheap.  Turbo Print works great but you get a turbo print logo if you try to print on high quality without paying.03:17
YomicFuck, if I don't get this printer working on here, my dad will akill my computer :((03:17
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dtsyomic what isn't working?03:17
hypa7iaYomic: what printer?03:17
YomicIt is being detected, it just won't print03:17
YomicLexmark x8303:18
hypa7iadweaver: yeah, the ip1500 i have was like $70 canadian :-)03:18
dtsdweaver can you print low quality w/o the logo?03:18
hypa7iadts: up to 300x300 i think?  or is it 600x60003:18
WhiteRabbitYomic, you picked the closet driver instead of the perfect driver revision correct?03:18
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YomicI picket what it recommended if that's what you mean.03:18
Yomicpicked*03:18
dweaverFackamato: You don't remember tempest?  I thought you asked someone to mention an arcade game.  Back in the day it was state-of-the-art.  Hard to explain, check the net and I bet there are pictures.03:19
phatcatanyone using virtual PC?03:19
phatcatwith ubuntu?03:19
dweaverdts: yes, works great03:19
Zugotgnome 2.10 doesn't have a wireless monitor applet?03:19
Zugotinteresting..03:19
hypa7iaZugot: yes it does03:19
athoWireless monitor?03:19
|QuaD-phatcat: i am using vmware03:19
WhiteRabbitYomic, pick drivers that are near the revision the 1st below its choice picked til 3 down then 3 up til you find one that will hopefully hit.03:19
atho?03:19
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Zugothypa7ia, whats the name?03:19
hypa7iashoudl be in your taskbar03:20
Zugotatho, yes wireless lan monitor...03:20
phatcat|QuaD-, any problems with web browsing?03:20
hypa7iagnome-network-monitor, methinks03:20
Fackamatodweaver: doh, now I remember03:20
phatcatlooks like i'm not getting network connection03:20
Fackamato:)03:20
|QuaD-nope... i am running ubuntu as my base os though03:20
dtsYomic, did you configure it, for me it dectected it but i actually had to configure it03:20
phatcatoh03:20
athoZugot, I took that the wrong way.03:20
Zugothypa7ia, that thing only monitors network.. i wanna know how fast the connection of my 802.11g is03:20
Zugotit fluctuates as i move through my house03:20
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phatcatI pinged google, nothing03:21
hypa7iaif you click on the thingy in the taskbar, it will show you the strength :-)03:21
dtsdid you guys download turboprint from the website because it's not in synaptic03:21
Chamkila_hey03:21
hypa7iaphatcat: sudo ifconfig03:21
dweaverFackamato: Spent lots of time and quarters down at the local deli.  I am sure that was before some of these people were born.03:21
YomicI am having to configure it yes.03:21
phatcattried firefox, nothing03:21
Chamkila_im a n00b to ubuntu livecd, how can i install to hd?03:21
Fackamatodweaver: before me too, I'm -86 :-)03:21
hypa7iaChamkila_: nope, gotta grab the install cd :-)03:21
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jsgotangcoChamkila_: download the install cd03:21
Fackamatobut I've played it in some arcades03:21
Chamkila_oh lmao. forgot about that, stupid me.03:21
YomicWhiteRabbit: There are no other choices.03:21
Zugotamd64 ubuntu is noticeably faster...03:21
Zugoti'm loving this03:21
Chamkila_i was thinking too much knoppix03:21
dtsdweaver, did you download tp from the website?03:22
Chamkila_knoppix sucks on my computer, ubuntu runs fast as hell and it's stable03:22
dweaverFackamato:  I just feel older and older.03:22
dtsfor some reason firefox doesn't start downloading whenever i download files03:22
dtsi select where to save it and then nothing happens03:22
hypa7iaChamkila_: some computers run gnome better and some kde is better, in my experience anyway :-)03:22
dtsit doesn't save, no error message nothing03:22
Chamkila_jsgotangco: hey, when it is installed, where do i get the information bar thing on my desktop that tells me my cpu power, ram, etc?03:22
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dweaverdts: yes, just answer ther questions and download.  the install was painless and worked flawlessly for me on Ubuntu and Mepis.03:23
jsgotangcoChamkia_: they're just add-ons to gnome and can be easily added to the panel if you want03:23
Fackamatodweaver: Sorry. :-)03:23
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dweaverFackamato: '86 I was a Junior in college.03:23
FackamatoHehe03:23
jsgotangcoChamkila_: you just right click and select add to panel03:23
dtsdweaver, cool03:23
WhiteRabbitYomic, http://www.xs4all.nl/~pastolk/ The driver will probably also work with the Lexmark X83, but this device is not recognised by the linux kernel.03:23
phatcathypa7ia, i have an ip address03:24
helio7Hello esteemed Ubuntu folk!  I need help again re-gaining Access to my X-server I'm using Irssi for the first time here, last time this happened on a different machine it was something about my nvidia module not being updated and I had to dpkg reconfgure the nvidia modules does anyone know what I mean?03:24
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hypa7iaphatcat: on dsl?03:24
dweaverFackamato:  Your not from central Ohio are you?03:24
phatcatyes03:24
hypa7iaphatcat: can you ping the router?03:24
dtshas anyone else had problems downloading with firefox?03:24
hypa7iausually 192.168.0.103:24
phatcathold on it's booting03:24
hypa7iarighteo03:25
Fackamatodweaver: Hah, no, I'm from Sweden :-)03:25
phatcati'll let you know in 45 minutes03:25
phatcatlol03:25
dweaverdts:I haven't had any problems getting the latest from synaptic but haven't tried a direct download.03:25
athohow's Ubuntu MOL support?03:25
dtsno, dweaver whenever i try to download any kind of file with mozilla it doesn't work, i have no clue why03:26
helio7crimsun: You helped me last time with an issue like the one I'm having now with losing X on an nvidia machine (Warty) and having to modprobe or update dpkg-reconfigure nvidia something or other; I'm at a loss03:26
dweaverFackamato: OK, just checking.  I was in Denmark and Norway in '86 but not Sweden.  I am Swedish by decent though! :)03:26
hypa7iaphatcat: when you get booted, make sure it can see the router03:26
phatcati'm sure it can03:26
phatcatwell see here's the thing03:27
phatcatit's a shared IP address with my mac03:27
helio7I left my machine on this morning actually, and when I came back after work it was off, with no X-server; How do I reconfigure the nvidia modules please?03:27
Chamkila_hey.. i have data on my hard drive, that i dont want to delete, hd = 20, like about maybe 2-3 gig of data..will the install cd take care of partitiong it properly with data on03:27
hypa7iaphatcat: as in behind a trouter?03:28
dweaverdts:  did I misunderstand? I thought you were downloading Firefox itself.  If you are having problems downloading through Firefox then I can't help.03:28
phatcatas in behind OS X03:28
hypa7iaChamkila_: the installer can't resize partitions, which i think is what you're trying to do03:28
crimsunhelio7: err?03:28
Chamkila_hypa7ia:  not resize, just "worK" with what it has without erasing whole disk03:28
hdeChamkila_: Use parted then install.03:28
crimsunhelio7: what's the problem, again?03:28
Chamkila_how hde03:28
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hypa7iawell, there needs to be extra unpartitioned space on the hdd, is there?03:29
hypa7iai just typed trouter03:29
hdeChamkila_: Well use a parted boot disk, manipulate the paritions, reboot, install.03:29
helio7crimsun: I just came home after leaving my Ubuntu.isos seeding on the bittorrent network while I was at work, got home and screen is black, got an X-server problem: loading nvidia module, no screens found... i didn't change anything as far as I know03:29
hypa7iathat is very entertaining for some reason.03:29
fangoriouscan anyone running an up to date hoary check their boot logs for "DSDT" (case insensitive)?03:29
crimsunhelio7: lsmod|grep ^nvidia03:30
helio7crimsun: i ran sudo apt-get update and upgrade just now to make sure everything is up-to-date and it is;03:30
hypa7iafangorious: on an asus m6n perchance?03:30
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fangorioushypa7ia: doesn't matter. I submitted a enhancement request against warty to integrate the DSDT-in-initrd image kernel patch. last I remember the bug was updated to say it had been added03:30
helio7crimsun: nvidia_agp         7772 103:31
dweaverOK, more action now.  Has anybody been able to sync a pocketpc or nomad zen?03:31
ejlozonwhat is the best way to set up cups remotely?03:31
ewhittenfor some reason, it seems like disabling DMA on my primary hard drive stopped my system from freezing (at least for the past hour and a half since I did it).  Does this sound strange to anyone?03:31
hypa7iafangorious: neat stuff, was just curious as the m6n's have buggy dsdt's03:31
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fangorioushypa7ia: so does my dell inspiron 2600, hence the request. :)03:32
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Chamkila_hey the "information" panel thing imtalking about is in FreesBie LiveCD03:32
dweaversabmoc:  nice to see you again03:32
Chamkila_its not something u can just put on the panel03:32
crimsunhelio7: you're running warty?03:32
helio7crimsun: yes03:32
fangoriouswarty had some serious problems with k3b (the whole root permission to burn thing) can anyone comment on whether that's been dealt with sensibly in hoary?03:32
ice_1963lol03:33
helio7crimsun: but willing to upgrade, I have other machines at my school running hoary03:33
hypa7iahaven't tried runnign k3b on hoary yet03:33
hypa7iaoh man.  printing on the latest hoary is kinda pooched03:33
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ice_1963you can run it and not be root03:34
sabmochi dweaver03:34
dweaverhypa7ia:  I'm on Hoary and am printing OK03:34
fangoriousice_1963, was that directed at me?03:34
crimsunls03:34
crimsunerr, sorry03:34
ice_1963ok03:34
Fackamato<dweaver> Fackamato: OK, just checking.  I was in Denmark and Norway in '86 but not Sweden.  I am Swedish by decent though! :) <- What does "by decent" mean?03:34
hypa7iadweaver: does system -> admin -> printing work for you?03:34
ewhittenbash: err,sorry: command not found03:35
fangoriousice_1963, as in run k3b not as root?03:35
dabihow can i add fonts in console?03:35
ice_1963not root03:35
dtsdweaver, so i installed it and even with the lowest resolution it still puts the logo on it03:35
black_Nightmarehmm...this is too strange..have many unhoused people in lincity but there's like *** lot of empty 100-people houses :|03:35
black_Nightmarewhy aren't these people seeing these empty houses..blah03:35
ice_1963im runing it right now lol03:35
crimsunhelio7: please paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin.ca03:36
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bmadonnahello03:36
dweaverFackamato:  you shouldn't question your elders!  I meant descent, as in my ancestors are from Sweden.03:36
fangoriousice_1963, did you have to add yourself to a special group, or run it with gksudo, or anything like thta?03:36
hypa7iablack_Nightmare: i've asked that myself of toronto.  especially when it gets to be -30C03:36
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bmadonnadoes anyone know why ubuntu can't pick up my cdrom drive when I try to isntall it03:36
helio7crimsun: I have trouble pasting to pastebin from the commandline; could I ftp them to a public_html folder on my webspace and pass you the url?03:36
crimsunhelio7: paste them to me in priv msg then03:37
dweaverLet me try printing again.  I have switched from Mepis -> Ubuntu and back twice in the last week and I might be remembering Mepis.03:37
|QuaD-dweaver: memphis? why memphis03:37
helio7crimsun: how do I private message in irssi =P ?03:37
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|QuaD-helio7: /msg nick msg03:38
ubuntugreylba mode03:38
bmadonnaits on03:38
bmadonnawhat else should I try03:38
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helio7|QuaD-: thanks how do I copy a file to the clipboard or could I /msg nick /path/to/file ?03:38
bmadonnais there a way to isntall ubuntu from a ftp site03:39
|QuaD-helio7: i don't understand the question03:39
|QuaD-bmadonna: as in a netinstall? or you want the iso from an ftp site?03:39
phatcatok, pinging the router works03:39
hypa7iadweaver: yeah, it seems pretty pooched from here03:39
hypa7iaphatcat: what about the mac?03:39
bmadonnaya netinstall03:39
dweaverMepis.  Because that is the distro I started with last week.  I then heard about Ubuntu so I tried it.  After upgrading I lost sound and couldn't get it back so I went back to Mepis.  I am now back here because I liked it better.  prety soon I'll have to decide.03:39
bmadonnaI would prefer my cdrom to work03:40
|QuaD-bmadonna: not sure03:40
helio7|QuaD-: i'm trying to PM crimsun my /var/log/error file in irssi so um, I don't know how to cut and paste in commandline (I have no X server atm)03:40
hypa7iaactually, better ask someone who knows more about networking... btu i think the mac is maybe not giving out dhcp?03:40
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crimsunhelio7: paste in the new window03:40
|QuaD-helio7: chances are you can't c/p in commandline03:40
phatcatthe mac is fine, i can use it03:40
phatcati'm trying firefox under ubuntu03:40
dweaverhypa7ia:  I just got done rebuilding and this chat is the first thing I have done on this go round.  I will download tp and let you know, stay tuned.03:41
helio7crimsun: paste in commandline?03:41
crimsunhelio7: I just told you what to do03:41
hypa7iadweaver: tp?03:41
crimsunhelio7: in the msg03:41
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Chamkila_hey cant i change the themes and stuff in livecd? change the brown one03:41
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dweaverhypa7ia: turboprint? am I mixing my threads?03:42
helio7help03:42
maxcheeokay, this is a crazy idea. but if apt has a bittorrent backend, then it would be much more scalable03:42
helio7oops I was asking irssi for help scrolling up03:42
hypa7iadweaver: yup, i can't get the gnome printing thingo to work :-)03:42
maxcheeI think it's fair to say that setting up a repository is very costly03:42
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hypa7iamaxchee: yes :-/03:43
helio7crimsun: can you please read the log at http://heliolith.com/ubuntu/XFree86.0.log ? I'm sorry I couldn't get what you said about PMing and pasting in the new window03:44
maxcheehypa7ia: is there any plans to do so? also what's wrong iwth your printing?03:44
Chamkila_hey cant i change the themes and stuff in livecd? change the brown one03:44
maxcheeChamkila_: hoary?03:44
dweaverhypa7ia: downloading now.03:44
Chamkila_maxchee:  how do u?03:45
hypa7iamaxchee: hoary gnome printing app won't load.  and the openoffice printer configger thing has been removed, looks like03:45
dtsdweaver, so did you have luck printing w/o the logo?03:45
maxcheeChamkila_: system/preferences/theme03:45
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maxcheehypa7ia: did you remove some gnome packages?03:45
dweaverdts:  I just downloaded, see my responce to hypa7ia.  I'll post in a minute.03:46
Chamkila_maxchee:  how do i get to preferences?03:46
hypa7iamaxchee: nope, just dist-upgraded03:46
maxcheeChamkila_: can you see the system menu on the top panel?03:46
maxcheehypa7ia: you can't get to system/administration/printing?03:46
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hypa7iamaxchee: it starts, then nothing happens, then a few minutes later i get a broken error window03:47
maxcheehypa7ia: what does it say?03:47
hypa7ianothing, jsut error.  have to force-close it03:48
maxcheeChamkila_: beside the places menu03:48
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crimsunhelio7: ?03:48
Chamkila_maxchee:  found it, wahts a site to get more?03:48
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helio7crimsun: what?  I passed you a link and was waiting on your response... did I miss something?  http://heliolith.com/ubuntu/XFree86.0.log03:49
maxcheeChamkila_: art.gnome.org03:49
crimsunhelio7: I asked you something in priv msg03:49
JohnnyNukehello all03:49
ice_1963johnny be good03:49
crimsunhelio7: I'm awaiting _your_ response03:49
crimsunhelio7: I've already read your log file03:49
maxcheehypa7ia: might have something to do with cups03:49
helio7crimsun: forgive my inability to read private messages; I've never used irssi before now03:50
jnoonim trying to add the extra repos as suggested on ubuntuguide, but im getting GPG errors. how do i add the key?03:50
helio7anyone know how to toggle between main and private screens in irssi? is there such a feature?03:50
crimsunhelio7: is there a highlighted number?03:50
crimsunhelio7: press alt+#03:50
hypa7iamaxchee: yeah, i got at one point a cups error03:50
JohnnyNukeI have a question, and I looked through the wiki and didn't find what I was looking for... I need some sort of boot floppy, I have an older system I'd like to boot into the livecd that doesnt have an ATAPI cdrom. I'd like to have a floppy. How do I go about doing this? The one article I found on it didn't seem like the right thing...03:51
Chamkila_maxchee:  theres only one? http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/03:51
YomicIt just said something was wrong with GTK(+?) when I was trying to install that driver thing03:52
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Yomicdriver for the printer*03:52
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YomicSorry for vagueness <_>03:52
maxcheeChamkila_: metacity is the default window manager for gnome03:53
maxcheehypa7ia: www.cups.org provide some manuals03:53
Yomic*** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.03:53
Yomicconfigure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?03:53
SeeleyUSMC289 available updates being downloaded lol03:53
maxcheehypa7ia: also try killall cupsd03:53
DonLI have to jump in here. After months of trying to hook up to a printer attached to an XP box on my home network, I finally bought a used HP and hooked it up directly to my Linux box. Set itself up perfectly. I'm a happy camper.03:53
crimsunYomic: either libgtk1.2-dev or libgtk2.0-dev03:53
YomicSo what should I do?03:54
Yomicapt-get them?03:54
crimsunYomic: depends which version of gtk+ the ./configure script is looking for03:54
YomicOh, it's 2.0.003:54
crimsunsudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev03:55
black_Nightmaresay any of you from canada? :p03:56
DonLblack_Nightmare, me03:56
ice_1963nop03:56
neighborleeblack_Nightmare, washington state here ;-)03:56
dweaverhypa71a & dts: I'll be back, rebooting and testing TP.03:56
SeeleyUSMCWhere can I find a list of current packages in Hoary?03:56
black_Nightmaredonl...which province?03:56
ice_1963mich here03:56
YomicThanks, crimsun03:56
dtsdweaver rebooting, for what is this windows?03:56
crimsunYomic: np03:56
neighborleeice_1963, sweet,,,I vacationed there and LOVED it03:57
DonLblack_Nightmare, BC03:57
neighborleeice_1963, where bouts03:57
neighborleeice_1963, near seattle here03:57
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black_Nightmaredonl - doh other side of canada from me LOL03:57
black_Nightmareeast ontario here unless you want to get technical03:57
neighborlee:)03:57
DonLI'm right off the mainland here.03:57
flamtripl3tbc here.03:58
DonLOn the mainland, flamtripl3t ?03:58
flamtripl3tvan. isle.03:59
DonLme too03:59
flamtripl3theh. nanaimo?03:59
dtshow do i edit the applications menu03:59
DonLno, parksville03:59
hypa7iablack_Nightmare: torontonia over here :-)04:00
flamtripl3tDonL, nice.04:00
SeeleyUSMCneighborlee, where near Seattle?  I'm from Kent, WA.04:00
hypa7ialots of canadians on this chan!04:00
DonLhaha04:00
DonLhypa7ia, seems like it04:00
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black_Nightmarehypa..you mean toronto :p04:00
black_Nightmarelol04:00
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hypa7iahehe of course :-)04:00
neighborleeSeeleyUSMC, kewl man04:01
neighborleeSeeleyUSMC, i'm out in snoqualmie ;)04:01
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neighborleeSeeleyUSMC, not far from the famous falls ;-)04:01
elhinto5000UBUNTU US GTE VBIOU BEST@04:02
DonLneighborlee, is that in the Cascades?04:02
black_Nightmarehypa...you been to computer stores in toronto?  just curious04:02
Bandittoronto? where is that?04:02
neighborleeDonL, yes04:03
black_Nightmarebandit...south 'tip' of ontario.....northeast of detriot04:03
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DonLI've ridden motorcycles through there. Beautiful04:03
SeeleyUSMCneighborlee, Been there on more than a few occasions :).  Now I'm stuck in Twentynine Palms, CA ... middle of the desert ... thanks Marine Corps :) lol04:03
neighborleeSeeleyUSMC, ahhhh ;-)))04:03
Banditblack_Nightmare i see04:03
black_Nightmaremiddle of nowwhere you mean seeley :))04:04
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black_Nightmare:p04:04
geneo93SeeleyUSMC:  could be iraq04:04
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SeeleyUSMCgeneo93, It will be in a few months :)04:04
hypa7iablack_Nightmare: they know me by name (okay, by laptop :-) ) at canada computers04:04
Banditblack_Nightmare so your from toronto?04:05
neighborleeSeeleyUSMC, yeah its nice out here...someday I want to visit CA cause in part my favorite singer , karen carpenter was from there and is buried there ..04:05
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geneo93SeeleyUSMC:  i was a jarhead namn days04:05
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neighborleenow that everyone knows my taste in music <G>04:05
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neighborleeheh04:05
SeeleyUSMCgeneo93, really?04:05
geneo93yup all behind me now04:05
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hypa7iablack_Nightmare: no, he seems to be from south of here, are you from TO?04:06
hypa7iaerr04:06
dweaverdts: you still there?04:06
hypa7iathat was directed at Bandit :-)04:06
black_Nightmarehypa...nope...close to ottawa ;)04:06
DonLI used to be from close to Ottawa04:06
SeeleyUSMCgeneo93, Have you ever been to http://www.leatherneck.com ?  Its a really cool site for current and former Marines to talk with eachother and share stories, etc.04:06
SiRrUsi used to be from ottawa04:06
JohnnyNukehey, can I have some help for a second?04:07
DonLI lived in Ottawa too04:07
hypa7iablack_Nightmare: cool, i hail from ottawa!04:07
DonLI enjoyed the Glebe in it's heyday04:07
geneo93SeeleyUSMC:  i have a few friends here local i see once in a while04:07
dweaverhypa7ia: how about you, I tried to install TurboPrint am have a question.04:07
hypa7iaDonL: i grew up in the glebe :-)04:07
DarthFrogJohnnyNuke: Answers are $1.  Correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free. :-)04:07
dweavergeneo93:  good to see you again!04:08
hypa7iawhois DonL04:08
hypa7iaoops :-)04:08
JohnnyNukenevermind... just found out the article doesnt work...04:08
DonLI used to live on the street right next to the Civic Centre04:08
DarthFrogJohnnyNuke: You saved $1. :-)04:08
black_Nightmarehypa :p so..do you know any computer stores in toronto or what? :)04:08
geneo93dweaver:  hey my memory aint good but i remember the nick04:08
JohnnyNukebah... all I want is a boot disk...04:08
hypa7iablack_Nightmare: yup, canada computers, factory direct, filtech, sonnam, ota :-)04:09
DonLhypa7ia, I remember... Holmwood04:09
dweavergeneo93:  you are fron northern OH, right?04:09
Amaranthwhere are the .desktop files that are on panel located?04:09
geneo93north west ohio04:09
dweaverjust checking my memory.04:09
hypa7iaDonL: remember the numbered avenues?04:10
hypa7iaDonL: i grew up on 4th :-)04:10
geneo93dweaver:  cinci04:10
DonLSort of. I've been on the left coast for a long time04:10
dweavergeneo93: just north04:10
hypa7iaahh, cool... whereabouts?04:10
geneo93k got ya then04:10
DonLhypa7ia, came here when I was 23, liked it and stayed04:10
black_Nightmarehmmm hypa...I never heard of these...do you perhaps mind dropping me any known toronto store website links to me? (in PM if you want)04:11
geneo93brb need a beer04:11
hypa7iablack_Nightmare: i'll pm so as to not flood the channel :-)04:11
black_Nightmaremight be interesting to see more stores to compare with for mail order [and I *** hate newegg..they have no-canada-shipping policy!] 04:11
black_Nightmarehypa..har ok...go ahead then ;)04:11
DonLI'm off for now, see you later. Thanks for the cht04:12
DonLchat04:12
hypa7iaboo newegg!  it's all about the college street computer alley :-)04:12
hypa7ialaters DonL !04:12
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regeyahahaha04:12
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dweaverneed a beer?  does that ever need an answer?04:12
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black_NightmareLOL dweaver :p04:12
regeyabeeeeeeeer04:12
black_Nightmaremy answer is: NO04:12
black_Nightmare:)04:13
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athoGRRRR04:13
dweaverbeer on draft means never forgetting to pick it up on the way home.:)04:14
athoim starting to get mad at my mac.04:14
regeyawhy?04:14
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athoUbuntu is giving me a hard time04:14
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athoHoary freezes at bootup04:14
regeyawell don't get mad at your mac for something ubuntu's doing ;-)04:14
regeyawhat sort of mac?04:14
atho;) I didn't want to dare degrade Ubuntu in this channel04:15
athog3 B&W04:15
regeyaoh dinnae lad04:15
athoI'm only 1504:15
atrusubuntu hoary: there's a long delay on boot at which the system prints "Mounting remote filesystems." The only remote filesystems i've got are two NFS mounts, which mount very quickly under debian sid. they do mount eventually on hoary, just takes its time. Suggestions?04:15
athoNeedless to say, I'm relatively poor and can't work ;)04:15
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geneo93atrus catsup04:16
athoAt least I'm not spoiled with a G504:16
atrusgeneo93: uhm.. no thanks, i just ate.04:16
SeeleyUSMCAnyone know if there is an Apache 1.3.x for Ubuntu?04:16
athoLike some other kids I've met on linux-related channels04:17
atrusgeneo93: unless you meant something i missed. :)04:17
regeyaatho: at the office I work at, the newest machine is a first-edition eMac.04:17
athoNice.04:17
atho:P04:17
geneo93atrus is a bot on beshare04:17
regeyaa b&w g3 should run acceptably well...provided you have plenty of ram04:17
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athoI SHOULD have 704.04:18
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athoBut both of my 64 meg sticks are a little flakey.04:18
athoSo 6 something.04:18
regeyaI've been thinking of picking up a G3 blue-n-white04:18
geneo93now my nautilus fails04:18
athoThey're fun.04:18
athoI'd go for a g404:18
atrusgeneo93: out demon! <sprinkles with holy water> the power if christ compels you!04:18
regeyaI found a place that has 'em for around $30004:18
regeyaor was it $20004:18
SeeleyUSMCregeya, WHERE?04:18
athoi paid about that for mine04:18
regeyano way04:19
athowww.macsensai.com04:19
athocall them up04:19
athothey custom build them04:19
regeyanot sharing SeeleyUSMC :-) you schmucks will get 'em before I get the cash04:19
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athothey're located near Philly, PA04:19
SeeleyUSMCregeya, I have to wait for my tax return on the 5th of April :)04:19
SeeleyUSMCatho, that link didn't work04:20
regeyaheh SeeleyUSMC04:20
athooops04:20
athoRusty Japanese.04:20
athowww.macsensei.com04:20
athoBeware, the base systems are pretty shitty04:21
athoid personally find a g4 cube + monitor deal on ebay04:21
athoor g3 ibook dealie04:21
robertj_regeya: I'd pay $100 for a B&W04:21
robertj_atho: I have a g3 ibook04:21
athosend it to me04:21
atho:D04:21
YomicWhy the heck is it not letting me change/addnew/copy to/anything to my folders in /*04:21
athoI'm poor!04:21
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robertj_I've already had to send mine in for the logic board replacement04:21
YomicExcept for ~/ that is04:21
regeyaI believe the one I found was a refurb, but I know what you're saying robertj_04:21
robertj_those things are bad news04:21
bn`there seems to be a problem with qemu in hoary... with that version (the newest) dhcp in the guest-system doesn't work... i downloaded the binaries from qemu.org and replaced the old and finally it works - after some days trying with the version in hoary04:22
athoAhhhhhh04:22
robertj_The mini is so much a better deal than any used mac04:22
athoRobert....04:22
athoG4 cube?04:22
Roeyok04:22
Roeyanother question04:22
Roeywhy did ubuntu install EVMS on my machine?04:22
robertj_atho: no the mac mini04:22
Roeyhow do I get rid of it without redoing my partitions???04:22
alakdananyone from hawaii?04:22
athoYou can get a cinema, cube, decent about of RAM for a little overr $50004:22
athoI know04:22
regeyaeveryone I know with g3 ibooks have good luck with 'em...and I hear horror stories all over the place.  guess it's hit-or-miss.04:22
athoThe cube holds a good fight though04:22
robertj_Cinema display for < $500?04:23
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SeeleyUSMCatho, I'm not seeing anything cheaper than regular there04:23
athoRobert, maybe the g3-era displays, but i swear ive seen them04:23
regeyaSeeleyUSMC: lowendmac often has links to good deals04:23
dweaveralakdan: in my dreams, but I guess that doesn't count.04:23
YomicHow can I gain access to the writting of all my folders (~/ is writtable already, nothing else is except from terminal)04:23
Yomic(ANd sudo)04:23
Roeyregeya:  it's good though that you're not one of those misguided folks who right grammar 'grammer'04:24
athoI've seen a dual G4 cube on ebay before, monitor, etc, for around $60004:24
athoThat was a raaare find.04:24
regeyaRoey!04:24
regeyadid you do that on purpose? :-)04:24
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alakdandweaver: lol :) I just need to test some toll free number04:25
dweaveralakdan:  so I take it you are not here either and just checking the call04:26
Roeyregeya:  what, the grammER thing?04:26
Roeyregeya:  or the evms thing?04:26
Roeyregeya:  I *didn't* want EVMS installed.04:26
Roeyarg04:26
regeyaRoey it's "write" not "right"04:27
alakdandweaver: yep04:27
Roeyregeya:   =)04:27
athoso guys04:28
Roeyregeya:  its not it's, whose not who's, definitely not definately.04:28
athodoes aqnyone know how to fix the hanging at hoary startup?04:28
alakdandweaver: can access the toll free from new york (i asked a friend to test it) but can not from hawaii04:28
Roeyregeya:  to Slashdot folks:  ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?04:28
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regeyahehehe04:28
athomy install hangs at starting the something-or-other subsystem04:28
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athohotplug subsystem04:28
Yomic I'm sorry for my pestering but my dad is in a stupor of rage.04:29
Yomic I just don't want to be a by-product of his rage issues soon.04:29
athooo04:29
dweaveralakdan: Well that sucks, I was hoping you could tell me about the palms and sand.  I'll go back to my virtual Margaritaville.:)04:29
robertj_I'm feeling whiny today04:29
athook04:29
alakdandweaver: lol04:29
athobetter question04:29
robertj_I've went as far as to record all my gnome-whining in swf format04:29
athohow do i pass options to the kernel at boot???04:30
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PZonedatho: configure grub04:30
hypa7iaatho: edit /boot/grub/menu.1st04:30
athoI'm using yaboot.04:30
athoAnd I can't even boot the system.04:30
Fackamatonp: Wayne Wade - Lady.mp304:30
Fackamato\o/04:30
athoHangs at starting the hotplug subsystem.04:30
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robertj_http://www.music.uga.edu/WIP/ <-- there for you complaining enjoyment04:31
robertj_first gripe complete, second gripe done in 1.15 minutes04:31
athoany ideas?04:32
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RoeyWarning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.04:32
Roey    Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'04:32
RoeyFatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD0204:32
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Roeywhen I run lilo04:32
Roeywhat is this about??04:32
YomicWhen I try to cp a folder to /usr/local/share/ I get the following message?:04:32
Yomiccp: omitting directory `drv_z42'04:32
hypa7iarobertj_: that is so cool, how do you do that?04:33
rnewsonThe warning seems ignorable, I've seen it before and it's not been a problem for me.04:33
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rnewsonthe fatal thing sounds worse ;)04:33
Yomicroot@Tommy:/home/tommy # cp drv_z42 /usr/local/share/z42tool/04:33
geneo93was there an update to 2.6.10-5-686-smp i all ready have it installed and its updating it again04:34
rnewsonMaybe /dev/evms/hdb1 isn't flagged as bootable?04:34
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robertj_hypa7ia: vnc2swf04:34
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rnewsonHas anyone successfully added the ubuntu-calendar stuff ?04:34
hypa7iarobertj_: neato!04:34
JohnnyNukecan anyone please help me, I just need a book disk for floppy04:34
athofucking shit ram04:34
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JohnnyNukeI can't find a single freaking thing about making the disk that works04:35
geneo93i'm gone04:35
Lightboycan someone tell me how to get to the firewall please04:36
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mastergoonwhere do i look to find mplayer on ubuntu?04:36
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rnewsonhttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty/view?searchterm=marillat04:36
mastergoonthanks04:37
dweavercan someone tell me how to mount a samba drive at bootup?04:37
rnewsondo you know how to edit your /etc/fstab?04:37
rnewsonyou should be able to set it up in there 'smbfs' for the first and third entry.04:38
dweaveryes, I just need the correct syntax04:38
rnewsonwhat have you got so far? :)04:38
robertj_is speed ok on that server?04:38
robertj_(btw 1.5 minutes left before gripe_3.swf is up ;)04:39
dweaveractually, I just rebuild my machine and don't have what I use before.04:39
rnewsonAh. I can't quite figure out where the share names goes but "smbfs /mntpoint smbfs defaults,uid=name 0 1" is close.04:40
rnewsonAre you sure the server will always be up when you boot btw?04:40
rnewsonyou really don't want to hang trying to connect.04:40
dweaverman, that last entry didn't even sound like english was my first language. :(04:40
rnewsonI'd personally configure it "0 0" and mount it when I needed it.04:40
rnewsonAh, sorry, I'll try again.04:41
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dweaverrnewson:I was talking about my english not yours, hope you didn't think I was talking about you.04:42
rnewsonI did, but you corrected me, thanks. :)04:42
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zerovertexI was in the middle of an apt-get dist-upgrade and my machine locked up, and now firefox is broken. apt-get told me to run dpkg --configure -a and it gave some errors about ubuntu-desktop, firefox firefox-gnome-support, and yelp04:43
Roeycan anyone here help me out?04:43
RoeyI run 'lilo' and get the following:  Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.04:43
Roey    Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'04:43
RoeyFatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD0204:43
foznoti can't get VLC to play sound consistently on a dvd in ubuntu hoary...any suggestions? using esd sound04:43
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dweaverrnewson: thanks for your info.04:44
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zerovertexThis looks like the original problem, here's the error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox.postinst: line 15: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found04:45
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dweaverrnewson: Found my first problem,  after installing, Samba is not there by default.  Think that could be a problem? :)04:47
Fackamatosudo apt-get install smbfs04:48
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HIghoSOw.  It does not like ATI Rage Pro's, eh.04:49
dweaverFackamato: thanks, I'm ahead of you.04:49
FackamatoP;04:50
danielsHIghoS: should work fine04:50
dweaverFackamato:  I thought you left04:50
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vs_zachhey04:50
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HIghoSdaniels: Freezing :/04:51
DaSkreechDoes Ubuntu have a screen fine tune?04:51
vs_zach...i am thinking about installing ubuntu04:51
vs_zachbut i heard that it has some font problems04:52
Fackamatodweaver: nah, just restarted gdm04:52
cugaHey, i just install samba, and in the smb.conf file i enabled so that it only uses local accounts for authentication, but I still can't authenticate to a share i created from a windows box, is there a step i missed?04:52
Fackamatovs_zach: font problems? :)04:52
HIghoSdaniels: You going to OLS again this year? :)04:52
Fackamatodweaver: I played some Tekken in zinc :)04:52
DaSkreechvs_zach: Great :-)04:52
Fackamatohttp://forum.tehjunkyard.net/index.php?s=5af64cb1a25fdaff347f4e55f3f60a22&showtopic=2104:52
vs_zachdoes it have font problems?04:53
DaSkreechvs_zach: Try the next step it's just as easy04:53
vs_zachwhat?04:53
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dweaverFackamato: Tekken, did your parents tell you about that or do they teach that in history class in Sweden?04:53
Fackamatodweaver: I have older friends ;p04:54
zerovertexHow can I force apt to redownload and retry a previously failed install??04:54
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[koji] will the final release of hoary be using the same repo?04:54
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dweaverFackamato: Apparently. ;)04:55
Fackamato:P04:55
Fackamatonp: Iron Maiden - The Trooper.mp304:55
Fackamato\o/04:55
Fackamatodweaver: Have you ever had an Amiga ?04:55
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DaSkreechDoes Ubuntu have a screen fine tune?04:56
rnewsonapt-get --reinstall <packagename> ?04:56
dweaverFackamato: No, bypassed Amiga.  Went from Atari to 486.04:57
|QuaD-any developers want to tell me where ifolder is, in regards to being available for breezy?04:57
Fackamatodweaver: :/04:57
FackamatoDaSkreech: What is that?04:57
sander__dweaver, atari 8 bit or st?04:57
DaSkreechFackamato: A program that would stop the display from running off the monitor04:57
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dweaverFackmato: Iron Maden?  is this what the youth are listening to in Sweden?04:58
SiRrUs:)04:58
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dweaversander_: uhm, atari 260004:58
vs_zachdoes ubuntu have font problems?04:59
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vs_zachnoone will answer me04:59
SiRrUsvs_zach mine doesnt05:00
hypa7iadweaver: metal never died in Quebec, let me tell ya05:00
DaSkreechvs_zach: What type of Font problems?05:00
athoOK05:00
vs_zachi dont know05:00
athoi took out all of my PCI cards05:00
atholets see the install now05:00
danielsHIghoS: with any luck05:00
vs_zachsomeone told me they installed and all the fonts were screwed up05:01
dweaverhypa7ia:It never lived with me!05:01
cugasomeone <> everyone05:01
vs_zach>seen Fackamato05:01
DaSkreechvs_zach: Your Mileage may vary05:01
hypa7ialol dweaver05:01
vs_zachhmm05:01
DaSkreechI've installed Ubuntu maybe 20+ times and I've never seen that05:02
vs_zachit didnt work05:02
vs_zachok05:02
HIghoSdaniels: Heh.  Aww, i should go again.  Will never forget KP's talks, after all :D05:02
vs_zachill go install...05:02
vs_zachheheh05:02
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DaSkreechAnd if you can't read anythign come back here and we'll type... um .. answers... um .... never mind :)05:03
Fackamatodweaver: yup, all about maiden ;)05:03
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Fackamatonp: Iron Maiden - Revelations.mp305:03
vs_zach...can i install stuff using apt-get with the same mirrors as debian05:03
serbois ubuntu suport dvb cards05:03
Fackamatoserbo: yes05:03
Fackamatovs_zach: not recommended, but probably works05:03
WildTangnive had no problems with ubuntus repositories05:04
Fackamatodweaver: So what do the older people in Ohio listen to? ;P05:04
DaSkreechvs_zach: Yes but to quote the website. Why?05:04
WildTangndamn my name got shortened05:04
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dweaverOK, someone help me.  I have a samba drive that I can see in Places-->Network servers.  How do I map it so that I can see it from Evolution?05:05
serboFackamato: this the card im talking about DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite05:05
Fackamatoserbo: http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/05:06
Fackamatofly, on your wings, like an eagle, fly as high, as the sun, on your wings, like an eagle, fly, touch the sun05:06
serboFackamato: thanks05:07
Wildanyone here know of a free FTP server program and a DNS updater?05:07
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dweaverFackamato: I don't know about the older people, but this middle aged person dreams of palm trees and tropical drinks while listening to Jimmy Buffett and any other tropical musicians05:07
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serbowhen i use the patch did i need to recompile the kernel after05:08
vs_zachDaSkreech: what do u mean05:09
vs_zachto quote the sire05:09
vs_zachsite05:09
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Fackamatodweaver: :P05:10
FackamatoWild: proftpd05:10
Wildill check that one out, but first i must deal with my ISP05:11
Wildthe blocked all FTP traffic on my computer05:11
Wild"innappropriate use of their network"05:11
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kakaltowow05:14
kakaltoI thought that this was an active room05:14
dweaverkakalto: it runs hot and cold05:15
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Wildanyone heard of the "blotto box" im thinking of doing that to my ISPs cable lines05:16
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dweaverWild: no, what is it?05:16
atomskwoa...hoary rocks :)05:16
shadowplayQ: I started using a FrameBuffer console (vga=793), and it's cool but I can't see a cursor05:17
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shadowplayXenguy : you use xen with Ubuntu?05:18
Wildthe blotto box is basically designed to send a MASSIVE electrical shock through phone lines, it should also work on cable05:18
dweaverwith the reulot of?05:18
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dweavermake that "with the result of?"05:18
Wildits a portable generator spliced to a phone or whatever kind of network cable your trying to fry05:19
FackamatoI'm gonna hit the sack, it's 5:20 am here now05:19
Fackamatogood night05:19
odie5533How do you guys organize your files in the home folder?05:19
atomskQ: Does anyone know how to use the "Application Launcher" icon for all executables?05:19
odie5533atomsk: yes05:19
odie5533just do custom launcher05:19
Wildanyway g2g05:19
atomskodie5533: I organize them just like all the files in /. Makes more sense to me but use whatever you like...05:20
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odie5533You mean ~/?05:20
dweaverodie5533:  as an old windows user - My Music, My Pictures My Downloads, etc05:20
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atomskodie5533: I like the custom launcher icon...I cant find the actual file so I can swap the ugly purple executable icon...05:21
odie5533dweaver: let windows die... ;D05:21
odie5533atomsk: Where are you clicking?05:21
atomskodie5533: no..."ls /" but take out all the media, mnt and cdrom stuff...05:22
stuNNedf*cking power management on this laptop is the suck oh well05:22
atomskugh05:22
atomskthat sounds odd05:22
dweaverodie5533: I'm killing it as fat as I can at home.  Can't do much about it at work since I am a .net developer.05:22
atomskdont remove anything in / everyone!05:22
odie5533.net eh? wow nice05:23
odie5533MCSD?05:23
atomskodie5533: right click on the panel, then add and then you see the custom application launcher icon...I want the name of the file of that icon.05:24
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odie5533What are you talking about?05:24
dweaverodie5533: no MCSD yet, but soon.  At my age I need it to keep up with th youngsters!:)05:24
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odie5533ah but of course05:25
shadowplayAnother question: what's supposed to mount /dev/pts?  I have it in /etc/fstab, but it doesnt get mounted on startup.  /etc/mountvirtfs *is* symlinked in rcS.d05:25
odie5533How did you learn .NET?05:25
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bretze1duh!!!!!!!! "const csize& size() const { __s; } " <=== try to debug this when the compiler issue no warning!!!05:26
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dweaverodie5533: My company made the move from VB6 to C#.  No training, just here is .Net, do it.  I am planning to work with Mono and also learn Python.05:27
odie5533Ah... I am actually interested in the best way to go about learning plain C++, not C# .net =/ I wish to program tools and applications... maybe games if I have time05:28
Chromatron600I can't make Ubuntu recognize my monitor's capabilities. It won't let me use resolutions other than the ones I set during setup and only allows refreshing at 60Hz. I already tried messing around with it, but all I did was corrupt X and had to reinstall. What do I do?05:28
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atomskI'm looking for the application/x-executable icon filename and also the "Custom Application Launcher" icon filename...does anyone happen to know them?05:29
odie5533atomsk: I do05:29
shadowplayis C# better about garbage collection and rogue pointers than C++?  Curious, because that's one of the things that java ppl criticize about c++05:29
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odie5533thats not what they criticize for me ;D05:29
odie5533And thats not what I'd say is the prob with it05:30
bretze1shadowplay: I think C# has garbage collect..05:30
odie5533C++ compared to java has few pre-loaded API libs, forcing you to use third party05:30
atomskodie5533: ...and the filenames would be?05:30
dweaverodie5533:  I started with cobol probably before you were born and have worked my way to where I am now.  If I had it all to do all over again I too would learn c/c++.   I would love to do games but am far too old.05:30
HKSDUguys are talking about programming in ubuntu channel...lol05:30
odie5533atomsk: I still don't know what file it is, so I can't tell you the name05:30
atomskodie5533: ugh...please dont tell me you do know them then :|05:31
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HKSDUdweaver: c'mon, don't give up, making games nowadays is not that difficult, all SDKs are free to use and many open source resources too05:31
odie5533Ok?I use them often, my panel is filled, but I don't know them05:31
dweaverHKSDU:  Been here for a while waiting for an answer to my problem.  Might as well be social.05:31
bretze1dweaver: and how old are you ? ( in multiple of 10 years ... )05:32
HKSDUdweaver: what problem you have again?05:32
odie5533dweaver: before I was born pfft doubt it ;D I started DOS at age five, then got... distracted by video games. I now know a sliver of java but the whole syntax, and want to get into c++ and maybe .NET as it is good for windows GUI's or so I hear.05:32
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dweaverThis aoctober i'll be 4 (in multiples of 10)05:32
odie5533ok fine before I was born :(05:32
HKSDUdweaver: omg, c'mon, 4*10 is not old at all05:33
bretze1dweaverL And so for me 10*4 in very soon april :-)05:33
dweaverHKSDU: OK, how about you?05:33
unkwnanyone know why the hyperlinks colide with the text on sites, example: http://ninjalogic.com/Screenshot.png05:33
odie5533Yeah that isn't entirely, but if your job is stable and you have extra time, go for game programing :D05:33
HKSDUdweaver: just passed 2*10 + 605:33
atomskam I the only one having problems renaming files?05:33
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odie5533omg HKSDU me too!05:34
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dweaverThen dweaver == old05:34
odie5533except the + is a -05:34
HKSDUodie5533: AGREE!05:34
shadowplayatomsk : renaming what to what?05:34
HKSDUodie5533: cool...lol...05:34
odie5533;D05:34
odie5533Now I feel like a little kid =/05:34
HKSDUodie5533: lol05:34
atomskshadowplay: when you get a nautilus window, right click on a file to change its name...click rename, after a sec or 2 I lose focus...05:34
bretze1old=={forget the \"return\" statement in a non void function!, and set the compiler to not warn!!!! that is getting old!!!!05:35
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HKSDUI started my game programming a year ago, I still haven't got anything out but at least I know how to draw some basic stuff and I started off at the middle of the mountain; I was making a game engine.05:35
Darfkhey... gota mac related question for someone...05:35
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Chromatron600(Sorry to repeat myself, but I no one replied) I can't make Ubuntu recognize my monitor's capabilities. It won't let me use resolutions other than the ones I set during setup and only allows refreshing at 60Hz. I already tried messing around with it, but all I did was corrupt X and had to reinstall. What do I do?05:35
DarkSMBhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51038&item=5177038622&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW05:36
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DarkSMBthat cdrom drive... it has a 50 pin connector on the back of it... what is that?05:36
Xenguyshadowplay: heh - that question is becoming more frequent -- I used 'Xen' (the nick) long before 'Xen' (the app) existed :-)  To answer your question, I haven't tried 'Xen' yet ;-)05:36
Xenguyironic eh?05:36
odie5533Chromatron600: you try installing the nvidia config files?05:36
shadowplayXenguy heh. ok then.05:36
HKSDUso after a year of part time studies, I got my SceneGraph(learned from Java and SGI, re-write the Java 3D API in C++), opengl and directx 3d rendering(lighting, shadow, multi-textures, different kinds of polygons), and more.05:37
dweaversince we are on the programming tangent,  what Python experience do we have here?05:37
Xenguyshadowplay: but I must say it does look rather cool, and I'll have to play with it someday soon I imagine05:37
HIghoSXenguy: Just say you use UML instead, lol :D05:37
Chromatron600odie5533: I installed the nvidia display driver for my GeForce, yes.05:37
shadowplayatomsk : mine jumps straight to highlighting the filename05:37
XenguyHIghoS: heheh05:37
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unkwni have some python experience, not as much as i'd like though05:38
XenguyHIghoS: or qemu :P05:38
odie5533Chromatron600: nvidia-settings <-- I don't know what it is, but it reminds me of windows where you had nvidia tools you could set that in05:38
HIghoSXenguy: rofl.05:38
odie5533python seems like the worst language, why not use something else?05:38
atomskshadowplay: yeah me too but after a sec or 2 (faster if i move mouse) It loses highlighting...odd eh?05:38
kakaltoOdie is a dog.05:38
odie5533thx05:38
unkwnodie5533:  shows how much you know05:38
hams2what package do i apt-get if i want the kernel source and configuration files that were used to buil dmy version of ubuntu?05:38
HKSDUodie5533: isn't that you configure your XF86Config-4 file for that refresh rate?05:38
kakaltosorry :P05:38
kakaltoI was reminded of a cartoon series or soething05:39
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DarkSMBanyone have an idea... is it SCSI?05:39
shadowplayhams2: config file should be in /boot05:39
odie5533I think you can do it through there yes05:39
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odie5533tell Chromatron600 not me05:39
dweaverodie5533: What else? that is what I would like to know? Python,Perl,Mono etc05:39
hams2shadowplay, do get the kernel source and copy over that config file and i'm good to go?05:39
HKSDUdweaver: you really use some languages borned long time ago...05:40
dweaverHKSDU: oh, to be young again05:40
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HKSDUdweaver: :P, but C/C++ are old too05:40
odie5533Old is tried and tested though05:40
shadowplayatomsk : yes, strange.  Try making a new user and seeing if it does the same thing.05:41
unkwnbigger learning curve, slow development and rollout process05:41
HKSDUI, myself, am a big fan of Java...05:41
Dr_WillisI like REXX :P05:41
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HKSDUunkwn: you mean c/c++?05:41
Dr_Willissince i used it ages ago for a lot of tasks in college.. hehheh.05:42
HKSDUunkwn: so what do you use?05:42
dweaverJava, sorry, enough MS left in me to wretch at the sound.05:42
unkwnwell, I'm a web developer by day05:42
HKSDUdweaver: MS you mean M$?  but Java is cross platform, so you can do it in linux05:42
unkwnphp/mysql05:42
unkwnpython hacker by night05:43
HKSDUunkwn: I love php and mysql too, especially mysql05:43
shadowplayhams2 : copy the config file to <sourcdir>/.config  then run make oldconfig.  If its the same kernel version you may not need to make oldconfig.05:43
atomskWhat else than sodipodi to open SVG files?05:43
dweaverDr_Willis sounds like an aged soul like me.  I used REXX on an IBM mainframe back in the day.05:43
unkwnatomsk:  inkscape05:43
odie5533HKSDU: Java is nice, but the problems it has are not nice =/05:43
atomskunkwn: thanks05:43
atrusi've got an sblive, kernel 2.6.11, and ubuntu hoary. snd-emu10k1 etc modules are all loaded, but there's no /dev/snd entries, nor does alsamixer or other sound apps work. what might I be missing?05:43
HKSDUodie5533: what problems it has?05:43
unkwnshould be able to open svg in gimp oo05:43
odie5533slow, very, very. very slow05:44
crimsunatrus: lsmod|grep ^emu10k105:44
unkwnjava is good at an enterprise level, but that's about it05:44
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odie5533I try to stick away from using java programs as much as possible due to their speed, are in this case lack there-of05:44
crimsununkwn: it's also fairly good for easing students into OOP05:44
dweaverI am not an M$ kind of person.  I am very pro capitalism and have no problem with Bill making his money.  I just have found a beter way.05:44
atruscrimsun: not loaded. successfully blacklisted by alsa-base's hotplug file.05:44
fangoriouscan some running a current install of hoary check dmesg for "DSDT" (case insensitive)05:44
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HKSDUodie5533: slow because of the developers.  Do a search on google, try to find all statistics.  There are many of them pointing out that Java is slower than C++ no more than 5% in many situations if you optimized for both(do not count swing please, I know it's slow in swing :P)05:45
crimsunatrus: lspci -v -> pastebin.ca05:45
shadowplayodie5533 : isnt that dependant on the VM also?05:45
odie5533you have to count swing05:45
odie5533its what most people use05:45
Dr_Willisdweaver,  I used mine on my amiga.. sad how some of the great ideas of old OS's get tossed out.05:45
odie5533rather than making their own of course05:45
odie5533shadowplay: find a fast vm then lol05:45
atruscrimsun: allright to get the pci list from my debian sid instead of hoary? (installed on the same machine)05:45
odie5533there really arent many, and if there are, I doubt they are cross-compatible with SUN05:46
crimsunatrus: certainly05:46
rnewsonSun's server VM is pretty snappy, after the warmup.05:46
rnewsonI think Java can outperform C in a lot of circumstances.05:46
rnewsonDo any of these chatrooms stay on topic btw? :)05:46
odie5533AFTER the warmup....05:46
HKSDUodie5533: if you are talking about standalone gui, of course it's slow.  The funny thing is that I guess it is faster to render a 3D menu using Java3D API than drawing with swing.05:46
odie5533rnewson: sometimes a bit yes05:46
JDahlrnewson, in terms of executions speed, or development time?05:46
atruscrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/803505:46
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HKSDUJDahl: both05:47
rnewsonJVM's generally are cross-compatible. Sun's usually the slowest btw.05:47
crimsunatrus: was hoping for -v05:47
fangoriousanyone?05:47
rnewsonJRockit and IBM's one are better, I hear.05:47
odie5533HKSDU: I think it is, I play a 3d java game daily, and its quite fast, 50fps and fully 3d, also it loads faster than my standalone java programs05:47
HKSDUrnewson: agree, in linux I use blackdown05:47
rnewsonJava is faster for development, of course, but also for execution because of JIT.05:47
odie5533Blackdown fully compatible with Sun?05:47
JDahlHKSDU, I am not an expert, but I'm somewhat sceptical that Java is faster than C with a decent compiler05:48
HKSDUodie5533: not fully but closely most05:48
crimsunfangorious: you mean case-_sensitive_, since "dsdt" will return nothing05:48
crimsunfangorious: but yes, two of my machines return something. Why?05:48
rnewsonwell, it makes sense. Runtime is the best time to optimise.05:48
odie5533If it isn't compatible with the standard.. =/05:48
dweaversorry all,  wife called and I had to step away.  let me read the log05:48
atruscrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/803605:48
HKSDUJDahl: agree!  it totally depends on how developers develop their programs.  In Java, since everything is OO, C/C++ programmers sometimes abuse their procedural skills in programming in Java and find it slow.05:49
rnewsonThe new Java VM's will recompile on the fly.05:49
fangoriouscrimsun: i meant `dmesg | grep -i dsdt` as I wasn't sure how it would be printed. I wanted to see if an enhancement I reqeusted in hoary had made it in05:49
rnewsonImagine if you could roll/unroll loops based on runtime characteristics?05:49
crimsunatrus: and lsmod, too, please05:49
rnewsonrather than hoping you can guess at compile time.05:49
crimsunfangorious: which "enhancement"?05:49
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rnewsondeveloping in Java is faster, it's a much cleaner language.05:49
odie5533Yeah it is05:50
rnewsonC++ is a hack on the side of C.05:50
atruscrimsun: I suppose that one would need to be while running ubuntu?05:50
odie5533it also has more 1st party api's...05:50
fangoriouscrimsun: the kernel should be looking in your initrd for a custom DSDT, helps people with laptops with crappy ACPI implementations05:50
HKSDUbut I do think that Java is getting a lot of mess these days, I have to admit that because of that JCP thingy, too many C/C++ features requested and now Java API is a bit too messy05:50
crimsunatrus: yes, if it doesn't affect your Sid install05:50
fangoriouscrimsun: bugzilla #337905:50
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fangoriouscrimsun: thanks, btw05:50
atrusi can reboot. i've just got an issue with hoary taking forever to mount nfs shares, so it'll be a few minutes :)05:51
crimsunfangorious: if it's still open, it's highly doubtful it made it in05:51
odie5533Anyone know how to compile java to native?05:51
rnewsonThe Java API contains lots of deprecated crap, I hate that Sun don't drop those bits.05:51
rnewsonGCJ for native compile.05:51
odie5533how mcuh faster is it?05:51
rnewsonAlthough, native compile will not be better performance, maybe it was true in 1995, but it isn't now.05:51
odie5533...05:51
rnewsonIt won't be any faster. but the exe will be larger :)05:51
HKSDUrnewson: the problem is that Sun has no direction sometimes, they want to include this and that, the original Java development team was genius05:51
fangoriouscrimsun: says resolved, last comment said dmesg didn't mention dsdt, though, which is why i came here. :)05:52
odie5533I like old microsoft java05:52
odie5533so much faster =/05:52
crimsunfangorious: because you're not using the correct case. It's uppercase, not lowercase.05:52
dweaverSorry, didn't want to start a religious war, lord knows we have to many.05:52
fangoriouscrimsun: the -i flag makes the search case insensitive, so grep -i dsdt would match DSDT05:53
atomskrnewson: using scripts to call a Java program thats what I call a hack :) You can still do very odd things in Java...05:53
HKSDUodie5533: no joking man, hate M$05:53
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odie5533Lol?05:53
odie5533they make a mean java05:53
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crimsunfangorious: it returns results here...05:53
odie5533and good video games (at least they find good video games :D)05:53
odie5533same thing tho right?05:53
HKSDUodie5533: look at .NET and you will see how crappy their products are05:54
odie5533.net is genius05:54
dweaverAfter looking at Linux development I thought that Python looked the easiest with the most power.05:54
HKSDUodie5533: .NET is a copy of Java, so you are saying Java is genius?05:54
wm_eddiedweaver: it pretty much is right now.05:54
wm_eddie.net is catching up though.05:54
wm_eddies/.net/mono/05:54
dweaverHKSDU: Wait until Mono takes over05:54
atomskdweaver: Python is mostly for scripting/prototyping I believe...05:54
fangoriouscrimsun: thanks for checking.05:55
HKSDUdweaver: ;)05:55
unkwnatomsk:  bittorrent is written in python ;)05:55
odie5533HKSDU: .net > java05:55
dweaveratomsk: Plenty of gui possibilities05:55
JDahlatomsk, that's not true05:55
HKSDUanyway, nice to talk to you guys, I will talk to you all later, have a good night(if yours is daytime now, have a good day)05:55
atomskunkwn: which part? I use Azureus and its written in Java...05:55
wm_eddieatomsk: The original bittorrent05:55
dweaverHKDSU: good night05:55
atomskJDahl: would you go commercial with Python?05:56
wm_eddieatomsk: With AtivePython, you can.05:56
JDahlatomsk, yes... whatever gets the most work done with least effort05:56
rnewsonPython is really solid, certainly good enough for building commercial software.05:56
rnewsonFiddly indentation, mind you.05:56
dweaverwm_eddie: any Mono experience?05:56
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atomskwm_eddie: let me put it this way...would you allow everyone (even your mom) to see the source code for a commercial e-mail program you wrote in Python?05:56
wm_eddiedweaver: I've used it a little05:57
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rnewsonWhy not?05:57
wm_eddieatomsk: uhh you don't have too..05:57
atomskwas that directed to me?05:57
unkwnatomsk:  what kinda question is that?05:57
dweaverwm_eddie: any experience with .Net on MS05:57
kkathmangood evening all :)05:57
wm_eddieatomsk: there is python to .exe programs.05:57
atomskunkwn: Python is good for fiddling and prototyping...its very good at that05:57
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ia1his mom would probably debug it05:58
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unkwnatomsk:  python is good for a very wide variety of things05:58
Roeyhey05:58
atomskunkwn: after fiddling I'd do it in a more involved language though...(its just my opinion)05:58
wm_eddiedweaver: Much less than with Mono, but I have used it for a couple of things.05:58
Roeyubuntu should have memtest86... it currently does not.  Booo.05:58
ian__is a hard freeze a known problem with using ACPI on a laptop that doesn't like it (thinkpad T23)?05:58
unkwnRoey:  it does05:58
crimsunRoey: you're lying05:58
unkwnif you boot and press escape05:58
unkwnyou can go right into memtest8605:58
crimsunRoey: main ships with memtest86+, universe ships with memtest8605:59
rnewsonMy ubuntu install has a memtest86 boot option.05:59
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Roeyunkwn, crimsun what'st he package name? I searched w/ apt-cache search memtest86 and got nothing.05:59
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crimsunRoey: memtest86+ and memtest86, respectively05:59
wm_eddiedweaver: For what I usually need, python is better.05:59
unkwnmemtest86 - A thorough real-mode memory tester06:00
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Roey00:00:07 boot apt-get install memtest8606:00
RoeyReading Package Lists... Done06:00
RoeyBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:00
RoeyPackage memtest86 is not available, but is referred to by another package.06:00
RoeyThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or06:00
Roeyis only available from another source06:00
unkwnmemtest86+ - A thorough real-mode memory tester06:00
RoeyE: Package memtest86 has no installation candidate06:00
atomskdont get me wrong guys...Python is one of my favorite languages...but for me its mostly ducttape :P06:00
Roeycrimsun:  see above06:00
crimsunRoey: you don't have universe enabled.06:00
rnewsonIt's the posh version of Perl, sure. :)06:00
wm_eddiedweaver: But if I was going to make an all out application, I would consider Mono.06:00
Roey00:00:10 boot apt-get install memtest86+06:00
RoeyReading Package Lists... Done06:00
RoeyBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:00
RoeyPackage memtest86+ is not available, but is referred to by another package.06:00
RoeyThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or06:00
Roeyis only available from another source06:00
RoeyE: Package memtest86+ has no installation candidate06:00
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unkwnRoey:  update your sources.list06:00
crimsunRoey: you don't have main enabled.06:00
kkathman_atomsk what do you usually use the most?06:00
Roeydeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe06:00
Roeydeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe06:00
Roeyoh I have universe in there.06:00
crimsunRoey: oh no you don't. Try updating.06:00
atomskkkathman_: ducttape languages :P06:01
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Roeydeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted06:01
Roeydeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted06:01
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RoeyI have main there too.06:01
crimsunRoey: and apt-cache policy memtest86 tells you...?06:01
kkathman_atomsk:  ducttape?06:01
kkathman_new one on me :)06:01
dweaverwm_eddie: I thought it was the right choice, I've already started playing with it.  I have also downloaded Mono to leverage my experience06:01
Roey00:01:44 roey apt-cache policy memtest8606:01
Roeymemtest86:06:01
Roey  Installed: (none)06:01
Roey  Candidate: (none)06:01
Roey  Version Table:06:01
Roeycrimsun:  shoudl I take 'restricted' out?06:01
crimsunRoey: restricted is necessary06:02
Roeykkathman_:  gimme some duct tape, I will kill myself.06:02
kkathman_lol06:02
Roeykkathman_:  I SPIT ON LINUX!!!!06:02
RoeyPTOO!!!!06:02
unkwnmemtest86 is in universe/misc06:02
atomskkkathman_: Perl, Python mostly...havent had the chance to work for more involved development yet...06:02
unkwnmemtest86+ is in misc06:02
crimsunRoey: amd64?06:02
wm_eddiedweaver: The only thing keeping me from using it more are how hard it is to get working in Ubuntu.06:02
kkathman_im almost exclusively PHP06:02
atomskkkathman_: add companies before yet.06:02
kkathman_meh06:02
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Roeycrimsun:  yes06:03
imcsk8how can i add xml support for php??06:03
stuNNedhow to install sun java plugin again? it's been a while :)06:03
ian__wm_eddie: hard to get mono working?06:03
Roey<unkwn> memtest86+ is in misc06:03
Roeyunkwn:  ok..06:03
crimsunRoey: that's why.06:03
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wm_eddieian__: I'm having problems with a couple of programs.06:03
crimsunRoey: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_contents.pl?word=memtest86&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=amd6406:03
unkwnimcsk8:  sudo apt-get install php4-domxml06:03
atomskkkathman_: PHP is nice...but I got bored of web languages :|06:04
dweaverwm_eddie: don't give up.  I dove in head first and reformatted my whole laptop.  I have tried both Mepis and Ubuntu andthink that Linux is the superior OS06:04
imcsk8unkwn, i have done that but phpinfo() still shows --disable-xml06:04
kkathman_ok, so Im thinking about moving from warty to hoary...anything else I need to do other than change the sources.list and do apt-get clear, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade?06:04
Roeygod damn.06:04
kkathman_atomsk - believe me, I know that feeling06:05
wm_eddiedweaver: I'll just wait for Hoary.06:05
Roeywhy is ubuntu so messed up right from the start06:05
Roeyno memtest86, grub can't boot off raid1...06:05
crimsunfor what values of "so messed up"?06:05
atomskkkathman_: some people are having problems on the mailing list...I'd wait till april 4th if I were you...06:05
Roeysmartacl/hddtemp won't work on sata drives..06:05
Roeycrimsun:  those above.06:05
dweaverwm_eddie: That's what I am running06:05
Roeycrimsun:  and the stupid default to kdm startup06:05
unkwnimcsk8:  a2enmod06:05
shadowplaystuNNed : I had trouble with 1.5.0_1, and went back to the previous 1.5.0.  Get the package from sun install it, then go to your plugins directory and symlink to /usr/java/jre<version>/plugin/.../libjavaplugin_oji.so06:05
Roeycrimsun:  at least I could change that last one06:05
crimsunRoey: well, you could help fix 'em... And honestly, maybe debian-amd64 is right for you.06:05
kkathman_Lol Roey - Ubuntu has been the only distribution I got that finally recognized everything I got :)06:05
atomskkkathman_: but hoary is definitely yummy! :P06:06
Roeykkathman_:  :(06:06
stuNNedshadowplay: thought  there was a .deb out there for it? or at least used to be06:06
wm_eddiedweaver: I ran it for a couple of days, but decided to wait for the release.06:06
kkathman_atomsk - okie dokie...I'll wait06:06
Roeycrimsun:  I need something for which I can use lilo without it spiting errors back in my face.06:06
kkathman_its not a prob06:06
Roeycrimsun:  I run lilo on my sata drive, I get:06:06
Roeycrimsun:  00:04:48 roey lilo06:06
RoeyWarning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.06:06
Roey    Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'06:06
RoeyFatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD0206:06
smoucheoh oh kkathman_ -- apt-get clear?  I upgraded warty to hoary, didn't know about the :"apt-get clear"  part -- upgrade seemed ok for me, though...06:06
dweaverwm_eddie: no problems this time on my laptop. :006:06
crimsunRoey: does lilo in sid work properly?06:06
Roeyyes06:07
Roeyer06:07
RoeyI don't know06:07
smoucheshould I have used "apt-get clear"? (newbie)06:07
Roeycrimsun:  I had sid with kernel 2.6.706:07
shadowplaystuNNed : yes, but yous still need to get the package from Sun I think.  The package just has a configuration tool.06:07
kkathman_smouche - someone told me that it was always a good thing to do...the clear...that way you start with a good slate06:07
crimsunRoey: it'd be great if you could verify if it does{n't}06:07
kkathman_hell if I know what that means06:07
Roeycrimsun:  which was before Jeff Garzick's libata superceded the old ata06:07
atomskunkwn: what are your uses of Python if I may ask?06:07
Roeycrimsun:  it's the kernel.06:07
Roeycrimsun:  I am almost sure.06:07
shadowplaystuNNed : correction... I might be thinking Debian... hold on a sec06:07
atomskunkwn: I'm always interested to fill my toolbox *grin*06:08
kkathman_yanno - one of those things you pick up from someone that you think knows06:08
smouchekkathman_, or anyone, what exactly is being "cleared" ?06:08
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Roeyatomsk:  python gives me good dreams at night06:08
atomsklol06:08
crimsunRoey: so somewhere between 2.6.7 and 2.6.10, "it" broke?06:08
dweaveratomsk: mine are just learning at this point.06:08
Roeycrimsun:  yes, because the ata code was switched with libata.06:08
kkathman_smouche - no clue dude06:08
crimsunRoey: have you reported this upstream on lkml and asked for CCs on replies?06:08
kkathman_like i said...was suggested by one of those peeps that seemed to know06:08
smoucheI had hoped that the package updates would magically sort out warty, hoary conflicts -- anyway, maybe I got lucky.06:08
Roeycrimsun:  jeff garzick figured to re-implement sata using the scsi subsystem06:08
Roeycrimsun:  consequently all /dev/hdX's turned into /dev/sdX's.06:09
atomskdweaver: wish you luck then...very ncie language06:09
Roeycrimsun:  not yet, becuase I don't know what I'd ask.06:09
kkathman_I dont think clear has anything to do with sync06:09
crimsunRoey: tell them your precise situation, and be verbose with details. :)06:09
Roeycrimsun:  sih06:09
Roey*sigh06:09
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Roeycrimsun:  it will end up being specific to my system somehow (somehwo in the blue fuck) and I wont' get anywhere.06:10
kkathman_yanno I meant clean..not clear06:10
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kkathman_dont know why I said clear :)06:10
dweaverI plan on developing GDL software in the future.   Any requests?:)06:10
atomskcool they fixed the long loading time problem06:10
codymanis there anyway to speedup konquerer's web page browsing speed.. its god awfully slow06:10
Roeycodyman:  prelink06:11
shadowplaystuNNed : AFAIK, you can install packages, but still need to get the actual jvm from a 3rd party.    ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java06:11
codymanRoey: how06:11
Roeycodyman:  run prelink on all the binaries06:11
kkathman_clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files.06:11
smouchethe ubuntu web site is done with plone/zope -- that stuff runs on python, right?06:11
Roeycodyman:  apt-get install prelink06:11
codymanRoey: thanks06:11
kkathman_thats why I remember it as clear :)06:11
Roeycodyman:  then prelink the libraries and binaries06:11
Roeycodyman:  ask in #kde though first06:11
stuNNedshadowplay: thanks06:11
Roeycodyman:  because I don't know why it's not already prelinked... there must be some reason...06:11
smouchethanks, kkathman_06:11
Roeywhy doesn't ubuntu prelink kde?06:11
HostingGeekbecause kde sucks?06:12
kkathman_smouche - do a man apt-get its all in there06:12
RoeyHostingGeek:  ah, wrong chan.06:12
codymanso prelink -a06:12
RoeyHostingGeek:  I meant to be in #kubuntu06:12
Roeycodyman:  ah, ok06:12
atomsksmouche: yes...isnt Zope author Python's creator?06:12
Roeycodyman:  note, I don't knowhow safe this is06:12
codymano06:12
Roeysmouche:  I don't think so06:12
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smoucheI will, kkathman_06:13
shadowplayDoes anyone use a framebuffer console (and like it)?06:14
billytwowillyanyone seen a turionbased laptop in stores yet?06:14
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smoucheIf ubuntu site is plone, it's much nicer than most plone sites I've seen.  The "plone look" gets old.   I tried zope once, found it confusing to use06:14
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bob2zope is pretty heavyweight06:15
shadowplaysmouche : what content manager do you like?06:15
wnaLinuxHELP! Hi guys I just found out that some of my mp3's are MISSING!?!? What do I do06:15
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kkathman_well Im off night all...ttyl06:15
atruscrimsun: okay, http://pastebin.ca/8037 has lsmod and lspci -v06:15
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billytwowillywnaLinux: Download them again?06:15
billytwowillyreport the theft to the police?06:16
deFrysk91106:16
smoucheshadowplay, I've never really administered a content management system; I was just trying to learn my options06:16
shadowplaywnaLinux  find / -iname="missingfile" 2>/&106:16
wnaLinuxwhy? should I do that when I know that there is software out there that can recover lost data06:16
wnaLinuxok I try that06:16
smouchezope was easy to install, I found, but the documentation etc was a little confusing to me06:16
bob2if you've deleted them, they're gone06:16
crimsunatrus: contents of /proc/asound/modules ?06:17
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wnaLinuxno I didnt delete them06:17
atruscrimsun: 0 snd_emu10k106:17
|QuaD-anyone know of a craps game for linux (non gambeling, just fun)06:17
shadowplaybob2: not true... you should unmount your filesystem imediately and then look at the ext2 undeletion FAQ06:17
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smouchewhat do you use, shadowplay?06:17
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crimsunatrus: output of amixer onto pastebin.ca, please06:17
Amaranthdaniels: HostingGeek is still here.06:17
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deFryskwnaLinux, look in your trash06:17
deFryskalso06:18
dweaverI am tryng to import my email but it is on a xp machince.  I can see the folder through Places-->Network Places but can't see it in Evolution.  Any help out there?06:18
danielsAmaranth: yeah, I know; doesn't do him any harm to watch the discussion06:18
bob2shadowplay: ext3 is the default on ubuntu06:18
atruscrimsun: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory06:18
shadowplaywnaLinux : or locate <filename>  if the file's been around long enough to get into the locate database.06:18
Amaranthdaniels: Then why not +q?06:18
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HostingGeekAmaranth: leave06:18
HostingGeekit06:18
Amaranthbtw you have an extra @ in there06:18
shadowplaybob2 : same thing.  that is, the same procedure applies.06:18
HostingGeekhe doesn't know howto set a ban06:18
HostingGeekhe has set it 2 times wrong now06:19
danielsAmaranth: good point, thanks06:19
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HostingGeekbye bye06:19
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HostingGeeklast words!06:19
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bob2shadowplay: no06:19
shadowplaybob2 : i've done it.  It's a pain though, because you will recover file data, but not filenames.06:19
danielssorry for the inconvenience06:19
johnoi06:19
johnis there a way to disable the console beep06:19
bob2shadowplay: well, I've seen things like this http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2003-January/006114.html06:20
Amaranthdaniels: It's still a ban instead of a +q. :P06:20
johni am hackin away in bash and everytime i hit tab for an autocomplete it beeps and wakes up my wife06:20
billytwowillyWhat's so bad about hostinggeek?06:20
danielsAmaranth: yeah, that bit doesn't concern me06:20
wnaLinuxno its not working06:20
shadowplaybob2: my bad actually.  What I did was on a reiser partition.06:20
bob2shadowplay: ah, right06:20
wnaLinuxhmm06:20
danielsbillytwowilly: persistent flooding with useless crap, including intentional flooding of the development channel with the aim of making it 'useless'06:20
AmaranthWho said 'useless'?06:21
atruscrimsun: i'm assuming that's for the lack of any /dev/snd*06:21
wnaLinuxI have an idea one moment06:21
crimsunatrus: are you using self-compiled 2.6.11?06:21
billytwowillythe devel channel?06:21
danielsAmaranth: him06:21
danielsbillytwowilly: yeah06:21
atruscrimsun: nope06:21
billytwowillynifty.06:21
billytwowillyI didn't know there were more channels.06:22
crimsunatrus: 2.6.11-0.2 from universe?06:22
Dr_Willisjohn,  try 'xset b 0 0 0 '   ( i think that kills the beep)06:22
ian__xset -b06:22
wnaLinuxok06:22
Roeyatrus:  warning! warning! going out of the expected debian norms will screw you up with linux! convert to pen and paper and forget about computers while there's still time!!06:22
atruscrimsun: linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 from hoary/universe06:22
crimsunatrus: ack, please use 2.6.10-29 from main06:22
desrthow do i change my password in ubuntu?06:22
wnaLinuxa lil help here I have some of the files that I lost on my dads server06:22
wnaLinuxso06:22
crimsunatrus: 2.6.11-0.2 is completely unsupported06:22
Amaranth2.6.11 has that nasty lockup from inotify, doesn't it?06:22
desrti want an answer that doesn't involve the commandprompt or being an administrator06:22
johnDr_Willis,  Thanks06:23
crimsunAmaranth: due to that older inotify patch, yes06:23
desrtAmaranth; yes.  it does.06:23
wnaLinuxcan someone help me use rsync to retrieve it?06:23
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desrtaccess to inotify structures are not properly locked06:23
desrt== kernel panic06:23
johnDr_Willis, is there something similiar for a console session (like when i hit ALT-F1 and work full screen06:23
atruscrimsun: i had the same problem under 2.6.1006:23
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AmaranthI just tacked a "noinotify" on the end of my kernel boot line thingy.06:23
shadowplaydesrt : passwd  ?06:24
desrtshadowplay; without using the commandline06:24
desrti'm just trying to find out of i'm entirely daft or if there really is no way for me to change my password06:24
shadowplaydesrt :  <f2> passwd  ? :-P06:24
atruscrimsun: -28 okay? my mirror doesn't have -29 yet06:24
crimsunatrus: if you blacklist bttv, does snd_emu10k1 work then? Or - disable the printer port in an attempt to free an additional irq.06:25
ian__desrt: it looks like you can avoid the command line but only if you know root pw06:25
da_bon_bonhi all06:25
da_bon_bonAmaranth: which kernel version ?06:25
Amaranthda_bon_bon: 2.6.1106:25
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desrtian; i said in my original question, "doesn't involve the commandprompt or being an administrator"06:26
atruscrimsun: any way i can try killing bttv without another reboot?06:26
ArcError trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...06:26
Dr_Willisjohn yep.. i forget the command however. :P i think its setterm or similer...06:26
ian__desrt: I know, and it's not possible with built-in apps.06:26
ArcI'm trying to burn a CD off a second drive while booted on an ubunto livecd06:26
da_bon_bonAmaranth: yes, 2.6.11 need noinotify :(06:26
desrttsk!06:26
johnecho -e "\33[11;0] "06:26
Arccan anyone help me?06:26
johni think that will do it06:26
DarkSMB i just shoved a 40 pin connecter into the 50 pin slot on the left hand side... and powered the devices with a second power supply06:26
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unkwnarn't the other pins just for legacy and power06:27
johni'd like to thank everybody at ubunu for such a great distro!!!06:27
crimsunatrus: unfortunately rmmoding it won't work, you'll need to reboot.06:27
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ian__desrt: I'll add it to my list ;)  I'm going to bring a bunch of them up when I meet with some of the gnome developers again06:27
atruscrimsun: loading snd-emu10k1 without bttv didn't help. i can't imagine the parallel port would be an issue, but 1) it's in use, and 2) the card works fine with the parport enabled under sid06:28
crimsunatrus: what kernel are you using under Sid?06:28
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atruscrimsun: everything from 2.4.x to 2.6.7,8,9,10,11 work fine06:29
atruscurrently 2.6.11.406:30
crimsunatrus: have any ubuntu kernels worked?06:30
atruscrimsun: not 100% to my recollection, although i thought it worked under warty way way back.06:30
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atrusoh, and i am using bttv simultaneously under sid.06:31
desrtian; filed06:31
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atruscrimsun: I only tried hoary again recently, starting with kernel 2.6.8, which also never had working sound, although I never looked into it all that closely before upgrading to 2.6.1006:32
coyote70I'm trying to add java to my browser but I can't get firefox to use it...is there someone that can help me06:32
smoucheian__ when you meet with gnome developers, could you ask them to tweak the screenshot applet?  It's helpful for newbies to keep track of events, but it should be able to capture just a window, instead of only whole screen06:33
smouchei know there's a command line thing for that, but building the choice into the panel applet would be nice06:34
deFryskcoyote70, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java06:34
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IAmTheWalrus...Hello06:34
Dr_Willisheh - gee speaking of gnome.. is there a way to disable that Minimazeing/Maximazing window animation (boxx's zooming in/out) from the task bar?06:34
coyote70<deFrysk>thanks06:34
crimsunatrus: ok, will have to consult alsa (mantis)06:34
JeezisDr_Willis: switch to kde ;)06:34
deFryskJeezis, tsk!06:34
Dr_WillisJeezis,  then i have to deal with the Idiotic ICONS in all the menus :P06:35
IAmTheWalrusUh...does anybody know anything about using bluetooth on ubuntu?06:35
ian__but everything is shiny, isn't that worth.. something? ;)06:35
smoucheDr_Willis, great question --  I was wondering the same.  That animation gets annoying!06:35
Dr_Willisi recall reserching how to disable that gnome-eye candy once.. and all i found was emailing list discussion of "where" such an opton should be.. no way to actually do it..06:35
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JeezisDr_Willis, but its pretty06:35
Dr_WillisJeezis,  pretty ugly,06:35
Dr_Willis:P06:35
Jeezisand you can disable all the fancy stuff when you set it up06:35
johnwhats a decent news nntp reader for ubuntu?06:36
Dr_Willis'pan' is a very good news reader06:36
johni wanna read the gmane ubuntu feeds :)06:36
ian__I talked to a guy in a coffee shop today who was trying KDE, he said it was alright but he missed gnome ("easier on the eyes")06:36
Jeezisdoes know where i can get a video driver for the ati radeon x800 pro mobility?06:36
johnUse fluxbox :)06:37
IAmTheWalrusHello?06:37
Dr_WillisI perfer windowmaker actually06:37
Dr_Willis:P06:37
deFryskin holland they smoke pot in coffeeshops06:37
crimsunatrus: all this time I've assumed that you're using in-kernel ALSA - is that in fact the case?06:37
Jeezisian__, i dunno, gnome does have a more streamlined look06:37
deFryskand smoking pot and using kde is not relaxing06:37
atruscrimsun: yep06:37
unkwngnome + clearlooks theme = hot06:38
ian__Jeezis: gnome is a sexy beast. :)06:38
IAmTheWalrusCAn anyone hear me?06:38
unkwnkde is too ... glossy06:38
ian__something about the controls (drop-down boxes, etc.) really does it for me06:38
Dr_WillisIAmTheWalrus,  yes.06:38
unkwnIAmTheWalrus:  what do you need to know about bluetooth/06:38
crimsunatrus: all right. Just to clarify: when you boot with bttv blacklisted, amixer still reports that error?06:38
Jeezisian__, that it is, but at my college saying that will get you klined :-P06:38
IAmTheWalrusHow to make it work06:38
IAmTheWalrusor if you can at all06:39
unkwnsure you can06:39
ian__Jeezis: it's a KDE kapital?06:39
IAmTheWalrusI've got a.. class 1 usb antenna06:39
deFryskcontrols yattacier3 windowporders plastic icons experience chrystal06:39
smoucheian__, the boxy looking animation effect on minimizing is very annoying, and the animation seems to get slower and more distracting the further one goes in a session06:39
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Jeezisian__, yup06:39
atruscrimsun: got the problem isolated to udev now. manually created the /dev/snd entries, and everything's working fine06:40
Jeezissmouche, i believe you can turn off all those animations in the control panel06:40
ian__smouche: err, I don't even minimize, I have 9 desktops and no bottom panel :)  but I seem to remember an option for that...06:40
smoucheeye candy is nice, but when I minimize a window, I want to see it gone, not see it going, if you see what I mean.06:40
crimsunatrus: you use separate partitions for the two, correct?06:40
unkwnIAmTheWalrus:  ok?06:40
Dr_Willissmouche,  or if you missclick while switching apps.. ya go tto see the min animation.. then click again to bring it back..06:40
atruscrimsun: sid and ubuntu? yes06:40
IAmTheWalrusI have no idea what I'm doing, if you can't tel06:40
ian__smouche: I think knowing where it went is much more "usable" but I can see why some people want to get rid of it :)06:40
IAmTheWalrustel*06:40
Dr_Willison my Slow machine - the window woule be back up - befor the animation was even done..06:41
IAmTheWalrus...TELL. I hate this keyboard06:41
unkwnsudo apt-get install bluez-utils06:41
atruscrimsun: the only odd thing is i use the devfs udev rules, but they don't differ at all for the /dev/snd stuff, so i'm not sure why that would be an issue06:41
smoucheJeezis, (I'm not running gnome anymore, so I can't check) but I seem to remember that turning off all "feedback" produced nasty results, like flashing annoying black borders at me when moving windows06:41
IAmTheWalrusok06:41
smoucheseems like it's all or nothing with the "visual feedback options"06:42
Dr_Willisanyone else find icons in 'menus' to be annoying also?06:42
Dr_Willis:P06:42
Jeezissmouche: yeah, i use kde now...its nice to be able to turn off some of the 'shinier' stuff06:42
IAmTheWalruscouldn't find package bluez-utils06:42
crimsunatrus: no, that shouldn't matter at all06:42
JeezisDr_Willis: a minimalist are you?06:43
Dr_WillisJeezis,  in some ways :P06:43
smoucheian_ -- normally I don't mind window minimising animations, but the way it's implemented in gnome could be improved.  The thick black boxy outline stuff-- doesn't work for me06:43
crimsunatrus: for a sec you had me scrambling thinking it was actually an emu10k1.c issue06:43
Dr_WillisI just find the icons to be useless.. since  i read the words.06:43
atruscrimsun: indeed, standard udev config fares no better06:43
ian__smouche: how long does the animation take for you?06:43
atruscrimsun: sorry :)06:44
smoucheironically, I always thought of kde as being the eye-candier (?) thing, but it's easy (for a noob anyway) to streamline kde, than gnome06:44
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Jeezissmouche: here here, i agree06:45
smoucheian_  -- it seems to depend on system performance, starts fast, gets very sluggish as a session continues.  I have 768 ram, Athlon Xp 1800+06:45
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smoucheian_ -- here's my take on the gnome eye candy:  user choices in config make it seem like the user wants maximum "visual feedback" unless there are performance problems, then he can turn it all off.06:47
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unkwntry configuration editor>desktop>gnome>interface>enable_animations(uncheck)06:48
ian__smouche: I agree gnome is a bit on the under-configurable side right now, but I also think it's far closer to the ideal than KDE.  I also see it moving the right direction, whereas KDE isn't really moving in any usability direction yet :)06:48
smoucheSome of us want to turn it off, just because it's distracting06:48
geneo93ian__:  your full of you know what to06:49
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smoucheian__ have you really tried the latest kde version?  At least as configued by ubuntu/kubuntu, it's awesome06:49
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raydoggI don't like kubuntu, they don't package any good apps, its full of K-apps06:50
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wolfehey guys06:50
wolfeI was isntalling debian06:50
Roeyha06:50
RoeyHAHAHA06:50
wolfeand my xserver doesnt work06:50
Roeythat's like a joke06:50
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Roeythe beginnnng of a joke:  "So this other night I was installing Debian..."06:50
wolfe...and i was wondering06:50
wjesus_axlhey guys do you know how to set up xcdroast06:51
wjesus_axlhow to start it as root?06:51
unkwni like gnomebaker06:51
geneo93raydogg:  are you telling me that ubuntu has all the apps you need bahh06:51
raydogglol no06:51
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wolfeif ubuntu is better at monitor and video card auto detection06:51
zenroxwjesus_axl,  xcdroast dont work with the 2.6 kernel series06:51
caffinatedwjesus_axl: yeah.  apt-get remove xcdroast ; apt-get install k3b06:51
IAmTheWalrusum06:51
wjesus_axlno way..06:51
caffinated:)06:51
IAmTheWalrusunkwn, the command you told me didn't do anything06:52
zenroxwjesus_axl,  get gnomebaker or graveman06:52
wolfehello?06:52
geneo93well i'm back to manpuke for now06:52
crimsunwolfe: than...?06:52
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IAmTheWalruswhat06:52
IAmTheWalrusargh06:52
wolfeis ubuntu better at hardware configuration than debian06:52
zenroxwjesus_axl,  the reasion why dont need scsi enulation for burnning no more like in the 2.4 kernel series06:52
codymando you think it will be safe to prelink konquerer06:52
crimsunwolfe: that's a question best posed to daniels06:53
caffinatedcodyman: i've done it on gentoo with success.06:53
ian__smouche: not on my own computer.  I got a KDE tour by KDE kids at linux world expo and sat next to a guy running the latest KDE today in a coffee shop and he showed me around a bit.  also read about the new version and looked at the screenshots.  I haven't seen kubuntu, though06:53
wolfeim asking everyone06:53
caffinatedi imagine you should be able to on ubuntu06:53
wjesus_axlthanks guys06:53
JDahlwolfe, In my unqualified opinion, yes - by far06:53
codymancaffinated: i apt-get installed the package what command would i use06:53
wolfeok06:53
zenroxwjesus_axl,  no prob06:53
caffinatedcodyman: man prelink06:53
codymanian_: i like kubuntu works great06:53
deFryskprelink konqueror ?06:54
deFryskwhy ?06:54
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codymandeFrysk: really lagging online06:54
caffinatedcodyman: prelinking only speeds up load time06:54
deFryskyou can set konqueror to load in kde06:54
caffinatedit won't improve how it runs06:54
deFryskin the settings somewhere06:54
smoucheian__ I have no way of judging these things, but i think you would instantly recognize kubuntu as, well, ubuntu!  Both kde and gnome have been nicely "humanized" -- ;-)06:54
JDahlwolfe, but then, I havent reinstalled Debian for quite awhile06:55
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codymancaffinated: o i c06:55
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codymanwell what browser is everyone using for web browsing the web.. firefox keeps crashing randomlyl06:55
caffinatedthen your system is broken06:55
caffinatedfirefox is rock stable here06:55
unkwncaffinated:  you turn off ipv6?06:56
|QuaD-anyone know the developers plans regarding the inclusion of ifolder in breezy?06:56
geneo93seems to me everybody is making coments about stuff they haven't even fucking tried06:56
smoucheI sincerely hope that the kubuntu and gnome-ubuntu developers will sort of cross-fertilize with ideas (and kde needs to steal gnomes desktop pager!)06:56
caffinatedunkwn: i've not had to turn it on or off.  i left most of my network configuration vanilla, except for those parts i needed for my wlan06:56
deFryskgeneo93, explain06:56
geneo93just cut the shit06:56
unkwnno, ipv6 in firefo06:56
unkwnx06:56
unkwnabout:config06:56
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deFryskfilter ipv606:57
bob2geneo93: please read the community code of conduct06:57
geneo93well kde 3.4 for one06:57
caffinatedunkwn: no, i've not had a need to.  it runs fine.06:57
bob2and try to be more polite06:57
ewfewalguien habla espaol ?06:57
deFryskand double click the ipv6 line06:57
unkwnit'll run better with it off06:57
deFryskgeneo93, I have tired kde3.406:57
caffinatedunkwn: it runs fine now.06:57
smouche(and ian__ gnome needs to steal kde's panel hiding mechanism-- when kde hides panels, they actually get out of the way of other apps; gnome's panels reserve the space, even when hidden)06:57
deFryskgeneo93, it looks great06:57
deFryskbut i dont like it anyway06:57
deFryskgeneo93, for kde users there is also #kubuntu06:58
geneo93i have a beta here in mandrake that will kick the snot out of anything i have ever used06:58
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deFrysktry that channel06:58
IAmTheWalrusUm..anybody else know how to get bluetooth working on ubuntu 4.10?06:58
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ian__smouche: err, do they?  I can move windows into the space the panel leaves behind06:58
deFryskgeneo93, sure ;)06:58
smoucheI realize that gnome and kde are based on different engines (?)(non-techie here), but functionally, they each could improve themselves by functional comparisons06:58
smouchein gnome?06:59
smoucheian__06:59
smouche?06:59
ian__smouche: yeah, just tried it06:59
geneo93i'm talking alll oses06:59
codymaneverytime there is any shockwave on a website firefox crashes.. anyway to fix this?06:59
bob2IAmTheWalrus: generally, nothing06:59
caffinatedsmouche: they just have different focuses.06:59
bob2IAmTheWalrus: it should Just Work if the kernel supports your hardware06:59
caffinatedsmouche: gnome is based on a strict set of usability guidelines.  KDE is ... well it's KDE :)06:59
IAmTheWalrushum...06:59
smoucheI found hiding panels in gnome only served to visually clean up the desktop, it didn't free the space to maximize other windows06:59
deFryskgeneo93, mdk is not os its a distro06:59
Roeycaffinated:  is there a need for it?06:59
deFrysklinux is an os07:00
caffinatedRoey: for which?07:00
IAmTheWalruswell...it doesn't, as near as I can tell. There isn't a graphical application for it?07:00
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caffinatedRoey: usability guidelines?07:00
JDahlcodyman, give an example URL that crashes your firefox07:00
Roeycaffinated:  tell me.. does GNOME's HIG change the fact that it doesn't offer half the functionality, features or  apps that KDE does?07:00
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geneo93hey beos is an os xp is an os what the hell you thiunk i'm lame07:00
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Roeycaffinated:  KDE is strong because it has no singular direction; people work on many different projects with many different goals07:00
codymanJDahl: www.travelocity.com07:01
crimsunRoey: psst, try to keep the DE wars outside ;)07:01
odie5533How does everyone organize their home folder?07:01
caffinatedRoey: it's a bit slower moving in the feature department, but i fail to see why you think it lacks programs.  it can use most of KDE's programs.07:01
deFryskgeneo93,  I see07:01
Roeycaffinated:  because those are kde programs, and they don't follow gnome's hig ;) as I was saying :)07:01
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Roeycaffinated:  I mean, I honestly do think that people should stop using gnome and move to kde07:01
smoucheLike I said, the developers shoould look at what works well in gnome, what works well in kde, and imitate useful functions.07:02
Tomcat_odie5533: I do it by using the home folder itself as temp folder, with subdirectories like "music", "photos", "videos". :o07:02
Roeycaffinated:  I see no point to it anymore.07:02
geneo93deFrysk:  have you ever used beos07:02
caffinatedRoey: and as for the HIG, i think it's important that a set of standards are formed and complied with.  linux is two sheets to the wind most of the time on the desktop because of a LACK of standardization.07:02
deFryskgeneo93, tried it07:02
JDahlcodyman, Am I supposed to click something to make it crash? it loads perfectly07:02
Roeycaffinated:  you've seen what happens to standards.07:02
deFryskdont like it07:02
Roeycaffinated:  someone else comes out with their own standards07:02
geneo93was it fast07:02
smouchebeing different just to be different isn't useful for users; it's the users' focus that should count07:02
bob2IAmTheWalrus: well, that doesn't help if it's not working07:02
codymanweird it crashes instantly on my system07:02
deFryskgeneo93, its fast yes07:02
bob2IAmTheWalrus: what does 'sudo hcitool dev' print out? (in  a terminal)07:02
odie5533Tomcat_: I do the same, but I have too many folders beneath that... it becomes a task to find files07:03
Drauconanyone running pymusic?07:03
geneo93well this is faster is my point07:03
caffinatedRoey: compare the windows desktop to the linux desktop in terms of application inter-operability.  for all window's flaws, it excells because it works from a common base instead of everyone inventing their own thing.07:03
Roeycaffinated:  and gnome's standards are set by committees who are (like lots of committee-oriented design groups) out of touch with their userbase.07:03
smoucheanyway, it's all ubuntu, it's all good.07:03
codymanJDahl: I get a "Segmentation Fault"07:03
Roeycaffinated:  oh I agree!07:03
deFryskgeneo93, ok07:03
odie5533How do I edit what programs a file is opened with?07:03
deFryskyou got your point07:03
codymanRoey: I am very pleased about KDE 3.407:03
Roeycaffinated:  cross-leveraging each other's apps is a truly shining distinction!07:03
Roeycodyman:  aye07:03
Roeycool07:04
Roeycodyman:  what do you like about it?07:04
caffinatedRoey: so, i think the gnome organization effort is a good thing.  and one can only hope that KDE and Gnome can at least agree on some of the more important parts.07:04
geneo93thank you and this isn't a gnome only channel07:04
Tomcat_odie5533: I can usually navigate my home folder and all subfolders blindly :o07:04
JDahlcodyman, on this machine I have Hoary Preview, and I didnt installed flash myself07:04
Roeycaffinated:  definitely!!07:04
Tomcat_odie5533: If you got too much, try using more categories and subcategories, and moving files according to that.07:04
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caffinatedbut the HIG is less about that, and more about providing a predictable user interface07:04
codymanRoey: Well first of all very fast.. also the new interface reminds me of an os x like feeling but with still keeping the linux roots intact07:04
deFryskgeneo93, ubuntu is mostly gnome , kubuntu is mostly kde07:05
caffinatedso that newbies don't start it up and get all freaked out07:05
ian__caffinated: I've noticed a real social pressure to follow the HIG, too, which is excellent07:05
Roeycodyman:  do you think there was anything unclear about the interface? for example, sometimes I think Konqueror's sidebar is too cluttered.. I barely useit07:05
caffinatedone thing linux programmers have been habitually bad at in the past is creating good UIs07:05
geneo93deFrysk:  you beeter check main repository has kde07:05
Roeycaffinated:  aye07:05
ian__smouche: windows seem to maximize into that space, too :)07:05
caffinatedand then they wonder why nobody wants to use their stuff ;)07:05
geneo93and it supported07:06
JDahlHow long has the Gnome terminal had tabs? I just noticed that... a great feature07:06
Roeycaffinated:  well.. I guess.. people who go and learn it in a formal manner are much better07:06
Roeycaffinated:  at designing them07:06
deFryskgeneo93, I am talking channels ;)07:06
Roeycaffinated:  (i.e., a CS course)07:06
codymanRoey: yes the sidebar likes to try to grab your attention a little too much sometimes.. its not too bad but I did notice that07:06
Roeycodyman:  sometimes toobars appear to be stuffed with buttons -- I almost never use any of them07:06
geneo93hey go over there and see how many ppl are there07:06
codymanKDE 3.4 isn't flawless but its definately a noticeable achievement in its history07:06
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caffinatedah well.  i love gnome myself.  it scratches my itch in all the right places, and provides a clean, predictable and productive interface to everything i use.07:07
deFryskgeneo93, I know07:07
codymanRoey: Yes but gnomes toolbar I find with that "spacial" stuff they use is too minimalistic07:07
Roeyah07:07
bob2"spatial nautilus" has nothing to do with the taskbar07:07
Tomcat_I'm still pondering if I want ubuntu or kubuntu when I install hoary... what I wonder is: Is kubuntu as good as regular Ubuntu? :o07:07
Roeycodyman:  also, I think this translucency thing in KDE was rushed;  why enable support for it when the underlying infrastructure isn't stable??07:07
codymanGnome reminds me of like Mac OS 7.5.3 days where it was click opens new window.. click opens new window... etc. etc. very early 90's feel07:07
geneo93gnome dont or kde dont reaally care what hardware you have now do they07:08
ian__Tomcat_: gasoline on a fire...07:08
smoucheian__ sorry, I'm confused.  As I said, I'm not running gnome now, so I can't check.  In general, i just prefer kde's panels to gnome's.  They also handle transparency better; the handles on gnome applets stay opaque when the rest of the panel is transparent, kind of ugly07:08
deFryskTomcat_, if you prefer kde get kubuntu07:08
bob2geneo93: indeed07:08
caffinatedTomcat_: you can always install gnome or kde in one or the other, regardless of which one you pick.07:08
Roeycaffinated:  do you do gui programming at all?07:08
factotumcodyman: you can change that07:08
factotumif you want to07:08
caffinatedRoey: as little as possible ;)07:08
Roey=)07:08
Tomcat_Well I like both desktops... it's more that I feel Gnome has more support on Ubuntu - so it'll get more packages and stuff. :o07:08
caffinatedRoey: while i understand the fundimentals of good design, it's not one of my focuses.  so i tend to leave it to the people who are truly good at it.07:09
factotumi dunno, i use fluxbox so I suppose i could use either one07:09
Tomcat_Oh well... I'll probably just try. ;)07:09
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factotumor in my case, neither07:09
deFryskTomcat_, after install ubuntu apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get it all07:09
codymanRoey: I am having no problems with translcuentsy.. on my notebook.. i installed kubuntu and it started right up with nvidia drivers already configured and ready to go.. I get barely any cpu use and it has been a very clean install with very little loose ends to catch up on... cleanest linux installation yet07:09
codymanthen again i am running the amd64 build so it screaams07:09
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caffinatedi just wish gnome would hurry up on the internal compositing.  the screen redraw on the desktop without xcompmgr is slowzer07:10
Roeycodyman:  also, foci would have also worked (foci and focuss are synonyms)07:10
smouchecodyman, yeah!  kubuntu on amd64 blazes!07:10
factotumthats what i like about linux when i first started with it, low cpu usage07:10
K-RichCan anyone tell me how to install true type fonts in Warty07:10
Roeycodyman:  hmm, I have an nvidia ti4200 and it gets very laggy with kcompmgr runnimng.07:10
ian__smouche: check 2.10 for panel applet transparency07:10
codymanjsgotangco: amd64 3000+, 256 mb ddr with 2 dim slots, 40 gb, 15.4 high def wide screen, cdrw/dvd, media cards, etc. for $75007:10
Roey*running.07:10
jsgotangcooohhhh07:11
desrtK-Rich; alt+f2 and enter fonts:///07:11
desrtK-Rich; drag the files into there07:11
Tomcat_codyman: Only 256 MB? :D07:11
smoucheand the new version of kde -- this is great that kubuntu is up to date with latest kde version-- is much much faster than previous kde07:11
factotumget some ram man!07:11
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factotumheh07:11
K-Richthanks07:11
codymanTomCat: yes, only draw back really.. but i still thanks to linux don't need as much ram as windows hogs07:11
Tomcat_I'm thinking of getting an AMD64 with 512 and it still seems low :o07:11
codymanbut for the price i couldn't pass it up07:11
Tomcat_Yeah, indeed.07:11
Tomcat_Ubuntu needs like... 100 MB RAM and no swap on my laptop. :o07:11
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caffinatedTomcat_: heh, that changes rapidly once you open a few apps.07:12
factotummy 2600 barton has a gig, I havent had 256 since my pentium 207:12
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smoucheian__ thanks for listening, the willingness of folks to hear out people's concerns is fantastic in this community-- but, for now, I'm going with kde07:12
Tomcat_caffinated: Yeah, that's with only a few xpdfs open ;)07:12
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Tomcat_caffinated: But I think it's way better than WinXP :o07:12
deFrysksmouche, are you sure ? ;p07:12
smoucheBut Iwouldn't have made it to kubuntu heaven without gnome-warty !07:12
codymanfactotum: i still have my old mac classic in the garage somewhere... whopping 256k of ram i believe?07:12
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factotumplay with gimp, play some tunes, compile a kernel and see what happens with speed then07:13
caffinatedTomcat_: well, there is no question that XP has a few more things going on.  my only real bitch with XP is it's security model.07:13
Tomcat_;)07:13
Tomcat_Gotta go. :o07:13
Jeezisis there a p2p client for ubuntu?07:13
Roeycaffinated:  its07:13
codymancaffinated: what windows security model :-)07:13
caffinatedthe linux/unix model is far superior.  however, security issues aside, windows has better application interoperability.07:13
factotumcodyman: oh yea, all the harware keeps evolving, but ive always felt like I'v always been doing the same things since i started07:13
deFryskcaffinated, not to forget the price stability tools needed to be safe on the internet bla bla07:13
Roeycaffinated:  it's not granular enough!!! arg07:13
Roeycaffinated:  I have this problem with OpenVPN... arg07:14
smoucheI use WinXp; but for me, it's just a platform for running lots of great open-source stuff07:14
caffinatedRoey: thanks.  shall i pick apart all your spelling and grammar too? ;)07:14
ian__for anyone interested in gnome/linux memory usage http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000450.html07:14
Roeycaffinated:  you need to give the user admin rights to their machine so that they can use openvpn07:14
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deFryskfor me its a flatform07:14
wjesus_axlguys help me out again07:14
Roeycaffinated:  :) its/it's is one of my big pet peeves, hehe07:14
Jeezisis there a p2p client for ubuntu?07:14
caffinatedRoey: i have far more.  like 'u', 'ur', 'lolz' etc07:14
wjesus_axlk3b can't recognize any writer device07:14
Roeycaffinated:  oh that's fine07:14
codymansmouche: well with windows its basically all about the games... but thats what an $150 xbox and a 30 buck mod chip for it does ;-)07:14
caffinatedbut i don't run this channel, so i don't feel the need to impose it on people.07:14
caffinatedso please, don't impose on me :)07:15
Roeycaffinated:  I get annoyed not with the typos or the abbreviations but with the misspellings07:15
factotump2p-->gtk-gnutella, limewire, DC something or other, emule07:15
factotumthere are a few07:15
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codymanJeezis: also azureus07:15
Roeycaffinated:  but since you asked, I will not07:15
deFryskbittorrent07:15
Jeezisfactotum: thanks07:15
factotumand yes, of course bittorrent07:15
Jeezisany client that you particularly recommend?07:15
codymancan't forget about bittorrent ;-)07:15
wjesus_axlGUYS...07:15
smouchecodyman, for me it's more about multimedia, my favorite applications (foobar2000 audio player, Bsplayer for video, other stuff) isn't available for linux07:16
deFryska Gnome-bittorrent is in hoary07:16
wjesus_axlk3b is not working07:16
wjesus_axlit does not recognize my burner..07:16
Drauconanyone have pymusic installed?07:16
factotumi know a guy at work who has a g5 running as a torrent sever more or less07:16
codymansmouche: ever use media player classic.. all in one media app that plays anything you throw at it07:16
Jeezisany kde client?07:16
smoucheyes codyman, it's great!07:16
codymansmouche: if it was only for linux...07:16
codymanfactotum: g5s kick @$$.. got one at work and its *only* the 1.8ghz single and it screams....07:17
smouchecodyman, the irony is, I managed to put off diving into linux, because so much great *nix stuff was successfully ported to windows!  Open office, gimp, audacity07:17
wjesus_axlhelp me out with k3b please07:17
ian__smouche: why did you finally switch?07:17
factotumoh yeah, thier amazing07:17
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codymansmouche: yeah audacity just got some PR from a radio station from los angeles07:18
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smoucheian__, One, I got tired of the performance drag my anti-virus software was exacting, Two, I want my desktop to look the way I want it to, now how some company wants it to...07:18
codymansmouche: oh.. i do have a windows box for using dvdshrink since its the best for the dvd 9 to 5 job07:19
ian__smouche: also I'm curious, what OSS apps were you using on windows?07:19
smouchethree, like I said, I like open-source07:19
wjesus_axlDOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO SET UP K3B_07:19
factotumi dunno, ive been working with linux for the past 2 years after win98 just got to the point where it shouldnt be used anymore, thought i would give linux a shot and 2 years later its still working for me07:19
ian__wjesus_axl: what?  I can't hear you07:19
wjesus_axl>S07:19
ian__wjesus_axl: perhaps bold and capitals would do it :)07:19
factotumlol i still have the pentuim166 i started out with, still running slackware07:19
wjesus_axlsorry but it's urgent07:19
factotumubuntu is a great desktop distro though07:20
ian__wjesus_axl: have you tried #kde?  it is a KDE app after all07:20
wjesus_axlto burn cd's?07:20
factotumcheck your /etc/fstab file07:20
smoucheian_  Videolan, gimp, Open office, firefox (obviously) , all kinds of stuff, including stuff for windows, not ported to linux07:20
factotumsee what is says for you burner07:20
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geneo93gcombust is best for gnome burning app07:21
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factotummight have to play with permissions and goups setting a bit07:21
eclipsef\07:21
ian__smouche: once you switched, did you find any of those apps to be better in gnome/linux?07:21
factotumi heard there where some issues with k3b and device permissions in the last month or so07:21
ian__geneo93: this?  http://www.abo.fi/~jmunsin/gcombust/shot1.png  ew :)07:22
eclipsehow do u put the TRASH icon on the desktop of gnome?07:22
wjesus_axlTHIS DOES NOT AUTOMOUNT07:22
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smoucheian__, ironically, I've found some of them worse.  Audacity worked better in windows for me (but sound configuration in linux is tricky) -- video lan worked much better in windows,07:22
factotumyou dont need the capital letter07:22
factotum*letters07:22
eclipsedoes anyone know how?07:23
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smouchebut ian, I've had a lot more time to learn how to do stuff on my windows box, so I can't fairly judge performance of apps in *nix yet07:23
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markybobi cant login to ubuntulinux.org...says my password's wrong.  i reset it, but get the same problem.  anyone else having the same problem?07:24
factotumi dont know what to tell ya, ive been using gnome and have it looking pretty much how i want it, apps and all07:24
wjesus_axlK3b did not find a suitable writer. You will only be able to create an image07:24
wjesus_axlthat's got I got07:24
wjesus_axlthat's what I got07:24
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ian__eclipse: I don't think there's a preference dialog for that.  it's in gconf as "/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible"07:25
ian__oy07:25
virtualdmarkybob: your user name might be case sensitive B] 07:25
factotumscreenshot>>     http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=181088482423b83e55f38e&p=screen07:25
geneo93wjesus_axl:  you need cdrecord and a few other things for it07:25
markybobvirtuald, checked.  not it.07:25
ian__factotum: that's pretty nice07:26
smouchefunny, eclipse, I was wondering the reverse:  how do I get the trash icon OFF the desktop in kde! ;-) (without hiding all the icons)07:26
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factotumian__: i like it, ive been liking a lot of the vector art thats been going around07:26
Marcelo_24_MSNHOLA ALGUIEN DE CHILE07:26
factotuminkscape is great07:26
deFrysksmouche, kde also has a trash applet asaIk07:26
deFrysks=f07:26
wjesus_axllike what07:27
wjesus_axlI have cdrecord already07:27
virtualdmarkybob: 8[07:27
ian__wjesus_axl: what are you trying to burn?07:27
Marcelo_24_MSNALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAOL07:27
wjesus_axlsome files07:27
markybobvirtuald, can you log in right now?07:27
ian__wjesus_axl: in gnome?07:27
wjesus_axlkde07:27
bob2Marcelo_24_MSN: please stop it07:27
JeezisMarcelo_24_MSN: si, yo hablo un poco07:27
ian__wjesus_axl: and you're in #ubuntu because..? :)07:27
wjesus_axlI'm using ubuntu07:28
ian__wjesus_axl: perhaps kubuntu?07:28
factotumyour using kubuntu07:28
factotumlol07:28
Marcelo_24_MSNDE DONDE ERES jEEZIS07:28
wjesus_axlnop ubuntu07:28
deFrysk /j #kubuntu07:28
factotumuh oh, gonna start a civil ware07:28
factotumwar even07:28
JeezisMarcelo_24_MSN: los ee uu07:28
geneo93ian__:  i,m not going to put up with your crap07:28
ian__geneo93: what are you talking about?07:28
bob2Can someone who speaks spanish please tell Marcelo_24_MSN to go to #ubuntu-es or whatever it is?07:29
deFryskkubuntu is warware factotum07:29
Marcelo_24_MSNY A QUE TE DEDICAS07:29
Jeezisbob2: sure07:29
geneo93there is noone over there to help him07:29
markybobMarcelo_24_MSN, please turn off your capslock07:29
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billy-420Marcelo_24_MSN vas a #ubuntu-es07:29
JeezisMarcelo_24_MSN: recomiendo ve a #ubuntu-es07:29
geneo93this bs that this is gnome channel is crazzy07:30
deFryskthe MSN bit seems a give away to me :/07:30
Marcelo_24_MSNOK07:30
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Nem[Laptop] op plz kthx07:30
smoucheMarcelo_24_MSN, por favor, no usa los majusculos07:30
markybobcan someone confirm that login to ubuntulinux.org is currently down?  or i am the only one with an issue?07:30
geneo93thats all you guys have been beating your fingers about kde gnome kde genome07:31
billy-420it works07:31
Jeezismarkybob: i didnt have a problem07:31
billy-420just logged out/in07:31
caffinatedbob2: i'm curious - is this channel actually syndicated by ubuntulinux.com, or is it unofficial?07:31
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ian__geneo93: I thought he might be better served asking his question in a room full of KDE users. silly me.07:31
smouchedeFrysk, "warware factotum" ?07:31
deFrysksmouche, ?07:31
smouche"kubuntu is warware factotum"07:32
geneo93ian__:  you go over there and ask a question07:32
smouche?07:32
deFrysksmouche, I was joking kinda07:32
smouche"ipso facto warware" ?07:32
DarthFrogcaffinated: It's official.  There was discussion about it on the Ubuntu Community Council meeting today, about channel operations.07:32
bob2caffinated: it's official in that it's called the official channel07:33
smoucheit's all ubuntu, it's all good.07:33
caffinatedgood deal.  just curious, because lilo appears to be restructuring parts of the network07:33
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bob2caffinated: I'm not sure what it actually means, tho ;)07:33
deFrysksmouche, sure is ;)07:33
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DemisMis there a way to update the gdm desktop?07:33
bob2DemisM: in what sense?07:33
caffinatedbob2: well, by freenode policy if it's not official, you can't claim the name.  we're having some issues with that rule in #php.07:33
smoucheLet's bring ubuntu xfce4 into it, so we don't have a bipolar standoff07:33
DarthFrogbob2: are you the channel manager? Mako seemed to act as though you were.07:34
deFryskDemisM, you mean gdmsetup ?07:34
smoucheubuntu everything07:34
DemisMlike i've installed new icons and I want to refresh my desktop07:34
bob2caffinated: oh, by that standard, yeah07:34
caffinatedbob2: it was more a point of curiosity than anything though07:34
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smoucheJust rename the whole open software movement gnubuntu07:34
bob2caffinated: it was registered and such before ubuntu came out, but the people working on it, etc07:34
vs_zachhey guys07:34
vs_zachim on my new ubuntu system07:34
deFrysklol smouche07:34
bob2DarthFrog: hm, heh.  I think I'm just the op and canonical employee who wastes the most time here ;)07:35
vs_zachbut i cannot log in as root07:35
deFryskgnubuntu is a good one :D07:35
caffinatedbob2: we've found that it doesn't matter.  our channel is roughly the same size as this, and we're going to have to move it.07:35
DemisMis there any way to refresh the desktop?07:35
bob2DarthFrog: it seems it has been delegated to me, tho07:35
caffinatedeven though we've been established for almost 5 years now07:35
DarthFrogbob2: LOL!07:35
DarthFrogbob2: yeah, it was.07:35
deFryskDemisM, should be no need to refresh07:35
Jeezisvs_zach: you need to set up your root account07:35
smouchebob2, we appreciate how attentive you canonical folks are...07:35
DemisMso it is broken :(07:35
deFryskDemisM, on gnome ?07:35
DemisMyes07:35
vs_zachhow do i set up my root account07:36
bob2caffinated: wow07:36
deFryskDemisM, use the theme manager07:36
markybobvs_zach, sudo passwd root07:36
Jeezissudo passwd root07:36
bob2caffinated: well, I guess someone should ask him about it, tho I can't imagine how it could be any more official07:36
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caffinatedbob2: well, if the official ubuntu project recognizes you, you've got no issues.07:36
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deFryskDemisM,  you can set the icons in the details section of the theme manager07:37
caffinatedif not, well, you might wind up getting a /msg from the network admin here07:37
bob2caffinated: the core php developers don't recognise #php?07:37
caffinatedbob2: they don't recognize any php channel07:37
caffinatedon any network07:37
caffinatedrasmus and the others are very anti-irc for some reason07:38
bob2ah07:38
deFryskthey are irc-sists07:38
bob2most old-school developers are like that, it seems07:38
bob2unless they're dragged onto it07:38
DarthFrogIRC can be kinda messy.07:39
caffinatedprobably the socio-political BS that almost inevitably happens sooner or later07:39
ian__irc is pretty oldschool itself07:39
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geneo93yeah donyt fix it if its not broken'07:40
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vs_zachhey07:41
vs_zachnow im having apt problems07:41
vs_zachi ran apt-setup07:41
vs_zachand put in a new source07:41
geneo93for what07:41
vs_zachfluxbox07:41
geneo93apt-get installl fluxbos07:42
deFrysk-l s=x07:42
vs_zachno07:42
vs_zachapt-get install fluxbox doesnt work07:42
vs_zachcannot find the package07:43
vs_zachhellloooo07:43
geneo93oh you dont have all the repositories enabled then07:43
neighborleeanyone else still seeing firefox causing gnome-panel ( and so far gnome-terminal too is toast)  and seemingly entire desktop to crash ??07:43
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deFryskneighborlee, no ?07:44
neighborleedeFrysk, why the question mark07:44
vs_zachwhat the heck07:44
geneo93you need to edit apt src list uncomment07:44
vs_zachapt-setup is being a dick07:44
deFryskneighborlee, wondering what you did to your box07:44
neighborleedeFrysk, nothing at all....this has been ongoing issue in hoary preview for a while and I would have thought it would be fixed by now07:45
neighborleeshrugggg07:45
neighborleeits been behaving so nicely too till just now ;-))ha07:45
deFryskneighborlee, hehe07:45
vs_zachcan someone help me with apt07:46
vs_zachplease07:46
neighborleeand since my desktop is fried i shall make like tree and leaf and brb07:46
caffinatedmm, i'm quite happy with hoary, despite the small issues i had getting the wlan up initially.07:47
smouchefolks, can anyone tell me why Amarok is playing mp3 "out of the box"  in kubuntu?  This is a pleasant surprise, but I thought there were licensing issues...07:47
caffinatedit's fixed some issues i was having before.07:47
deFryskvs_zach, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html07:48
smouchehere I thought I would have to apt-get mp3 codecs or whatever from mulitiverse... ?07:48
caffinatedi think i'm going to switch to desktop-tweakin mode soon here heh07:48
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smoucheanyway, with gnome warty, I couldn't play mp3 immediately, with kubuntu, I can07:48
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geneo93aint that nice07:49
caffinatedi had no problems playing mp3s once i stopped trying to use the music player that came with it, and started using xmms07:49
deFrysksmouche, probably you had universe open before you instaslled amarok ;)07:49
smouche(I'm talking about a fresh install of kubuntu array 7, I think, no other ubuntu stuff was on that drive)07:49
deFrysken great spelling yeah!07:49
geneo93na its right off cd man07:49
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smoucheno, deFrsysk, this is a brand new install from cd, no updates.07:49
deFrysksmouche, thats cool then07:49
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geneo93thats kde packaging07:52
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smouchehmm, but I thought it was ubuntu policy to not have mp3 etc support installed by default; I'm not complaining, mind you.07:53
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smoucheman, Amarok is nice.  I like it better than rhythm box and totem so far...07:53
crimsunsmouche: it is ubuntu policy; kubuntu policy might differ.07:54
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optikshi07:55
neighborleehi optika07:55
neighborleeoptiks even LOL07:55
optiksI want to increase my monitor refresh rate to 75Hz, but options only allow me the option of 60 -- is there a way to force the refresh rate value ?07:55
optiksg'day :P07:55
neighborleeoptiks: you need to alter that in /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:56
neighborleeoptika, somehow it did not detect right during install07:56
neighborleeoptika, make sure you go by your manual or you can break things ;)07:56
optikss/optika/optiks ;)07:57
smoucheI see crimsun; the ubuntu/kubuntu relationship is still terra incognita to me; I thought it was all working under Canonical's oversight07:57
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crimsunsmouche: two different distros sharing the same base07:57
optiksany idea what option I am editing?07:57
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smoucheI see.  thanks crimsun.07:57
neighborleeoptika,'section MONITOR' is what you want..its under there08:00
optiksthat's what I'm saying, neighborlee, there's no option to force it.08:01
vs_zachdoes anyone know where i could find a apt source for fluxbox08:02
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ian__nautilus PDF thumnailer!  http://www.gnome.org/~fherrera/img/pdfs.png08:04
ian__+b08:04
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ian__*drool*08:04
_4strOvs_zach> on oary repository08:06
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_4strOhoary*08:06
vs_zachwhere?08:06
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_4strOyou're on warty ?08:07
ice_1963i'm on hoary08:08
_4strOapt-get install fluxbox ...08:08
odie5533How many video players can you run on linux without any lag?08:09
ice_1963why08:09
odie5533I run two on windows and it freezes...08:09
_4strOwill try08:09
_4strO;o08:09
smouchehow much ram, odie5533?08:09
odie5533512mb08:09
odie5533I got 5 running not a bit of lag08:09
odie5533my sound sounds funny though, so many diff things08:09
geneo93i think i got to around 3008:10
odie55336 it gets a BIT laggy on some :(08:10
smoucheOdie5533, with 512 in windows you should be able to run more than that; try the old windows media player, or google for "media player classic"08:10
odie5533frames dropping on one of them08:10
odie5533the others look perfect08:10
_4strO4 for me08:10
odie5533ah its lagging at 6 =/08:10
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odie55335 is the max, though I see no reason to run more than one :D08:11
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ioguix_hi everyone :)08:11
SirinusHi folks08:11
_4strOhi08:11
ioguix_I need some clue about the live cd hoary ppc :/08:12
virtualdodie5533: if you have more than one screen and sound card then it would be useful :P08:12
odie5533I have 2 sound cards08:12
odie5533:D08:12
virtuald:D08:12
ioguix_It doesn't boot on my ibook G4 12" 800MHz08:12
odie5533onboard (which isnt crap, its pretty good) and a 5.1 SS08:12
virtualdSS?08:12
odie5533Surround Sound08:12
virtualdok08:12
ioguix_with yaboot or with the 'C' key...08:12
smoucheI'm just really happy that kubuntu recognized my sound card, and uses it perfectly, no messing around with sound configuration at all08:12
bob2ioguix_: do other cds boot?08:13
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odie5533smouche: same, except ubuntu, no 'k'08:13
ioguix_bob2: yep08:13
odie5533My card is an odd card, but very high quality08:13
odie5533Mad Dog Multimedia Sound Card08:13
ioguix_bob2: like the apple cd for example...08:13
odie5533Ah apple...08:14
ioguix_I am currently writing the iso a second time...08:14
odie5533Never had one, and proud of it :D08:14
ioguix_to try again...08:14
ioguix_odie5533: lol08:14
smoucheubuntu, kubuntu, gnubuntu, it's all good odie5533 ;-)08:14
bob2ioguix_: ok08:14
odie5533gnubuntu? never heard of it08:14
DarthFrogGnubuntu.  Love it. :-)08:14
odie5533I've heard of gnoppix, which is based of ubuntu08:14
Sirinus...Hm, does anyone have any idea what could cause the debootstrap to throw up an error 1 during installation on aN Apple G4 AGP?08:14
DarthFrogrms would love GNUbuntu, too.08:15
smoucheyou buntu, thou buntust, el bunta, nosotros bunatamos...08:15
odie5533Does gnubuntu exist?08:15
odie5533or is that a joke?08:15
bob2Sirinus: you'd need to paste the error to #flood08:15
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smouchejoke, odie5533 -- and hope!  ;-)08:15
bob2odie5533: gnoppix is only recently based on ubuntu, up until 6 months ago it was seperate08:15
odie55336 months is pretty long lol08:16
DarthFrogbob2: Up until 6 months ago, ubuntu didn't exist. :-)08:16
ioguix_Is it normal that I can't mount the live cd of hoary under MacOSX ??08:16
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Sirinusbob2: Hmm, ok - thats all that it tells me though - i'm not sure how I get the details08:16
smoucheI should copyright gnubuntu -- er, no I shouldn't.  Stallman would get pissed.08:16
odie5533hmm gnubuntu.org .net and .com are all registered domains...08:16
fez_I just installed hoary on a machine with a 1680x1050 screen... i found this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html) and edited the conf file, but how do i get the changes to take effect without restarting the system?08:17
DarthFrogodie5533: Who owns them?08:17
odie5533checking08:17
bob2DarthFrog: heh, I was using it in june ;)08:17
DarthFrogfez_: Press CTL-ALT-Backspace.08:17
smoucheheh, DarthFrog --it took me a minute to realize what you meant by "rms", lol.  Linux/gnu noob here...08:17
bob2Sirinus: no, we need to see maybe 6 lines before that08:17
DarthFrogbob2: :-)08:17
odie5533someone in london08:17
DarthFrogodie5533: Mark Shuttleworth?08:17
odie5533nope08:18
smoucheodie5533, -- gnubuntu is registered as a domain??  heh08:18
fez_DarkFrog: I tried that... and x exited and restarted... but i am still running in the old resolution... it could be that i didn't edit the file correctly.. is there an automated way of creating the modelines?08:18
odie5533.net .com and .org08:18
odie5533Registrant Organization:MRS Virtual Development08:18
odie5533MRS virtual dev08:18
ioguix_08:18
Sirinusbob2: Okay, one moment08:18
bob2hahaha08:18
odie5533wonder what that is08:18
ioguix_arf08:18
ioguix_nobody can help me ?08:18
ioguix_:/08:18
DarthFrogfez_: If X restarted in the old resolution, then you did not make the changes you thought you made.08:18
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bob2ioguix_: no, it's not normal08:19
smouchewell, once ubuntu settles on an animal (warthog, hedgehog, badger?? what's next ;-) we'll see nice graphics with Tux and the gnu ...08:19
DarthFrogPerky Penguin.08:19
ioguix_bob2: lol, thanks...I already installed a warty, so I use yaboot as boot manager...any clue about that ?08:20
smoucheOr maybe, it should be called "noobuntu".08:20
bob2ioguix_: no, sorry08:20
DarthFrogTesty Tenerec08:20
fez_DarthFrog: yeah i guess not... is there any way of editing the resolution chooser options?08:20
bob2ioguix_: try asking on the user list, I guess08:20
bob2ioguix_: could just be you burnt it incorrectly, check the md5sum too08:20
ioguix_bob2: ok, I'm gonna try with the CD I just burned...08:20
DarthFrogCrafty Coyote, Dusty Dormouse, Jaggy Jaguar, Lusty Lemming, Rocky Racoon. :-)08:20
ioguix_bob2: I gona check that first ;)08:21
smoucheGnomish Gnu08:21
odie5533DarthFrog: Someone in the community owns the gnubuntu set08:21
odie5533A staff I believe08:21
DarthFrogodie5533: That's what I figured.08:21
odie5533Whats gonna be there :D08:21
smoucheSprinting Springbok08:22
odie5533Its the same person that registered the canonical.com domain, except with a different name :D08:24
smouchecovering all their bases08:24
odie5533well I hope gnubuntu turns into something cool :D08:26
smouchehmm, is Shuttleworth still into space travel?  could this distro be the first linux used in space someday? (or has that been done?)08:26
odie5533prob been done08:26
odie5533just no one cares08:26
odie5533;)08:26
odie5533no offense to any linux users of course08:27
geneo93the shuttle that crashed was using M$ crap08:27
odie5533wait, the os crashed?08:28
geneo935 friging computers and none of them worked atm08:29
jdubsmouche: he took mozilla with him :)08:29
smoucheheh heh.  By the way, jdub, next time Mr Shuttleworth invites all you developers out on his yacht (he does do that right?) please thank him for me...08:30
smouche;-)08:30
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jsgotangcohello08:31
jdubwe won't be yachting, but we'll all be at UbuntuDownUnder in Sydney in late april :)08:31
jsgotangcoohh08:31
jsgotangcojdub: hi08:31
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jsgotangcojdub: it seems i'll see you there as well as i got sponsored08:31
jdubrock and roll08:32
smouchehave fun jdub-- hope y'all share the pictures on the web site08:32
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bob2hah08:32
bob2the pictures are kinda scary08:32
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smoucheirony:  my first task in using kynaptic -- downloading synaptic.08:32
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jsgotangcohas anyone encoutered login failures in the wiki at the moment08:33
bob2it seems broken08:33
bob2people know about it08:33
jsgotangcoso it seems08:33
geneo93smouche:  why aint it called gynaptic08:33
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smouchelol, geneo93.  That sounds a bit obstetric to me...08:34
geneo93maybe cause its not a gnome app08:34
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geneo93or has nothing to do with gnome08:35
geneo93or kde08:35
smoucheI think you're on to something there, geneo93.08:35
odie5533Do people that work on ubuntu ever stop in here?08:35
jdubodie5533: always08:35
bob2yes08:35
jdubwell08:35
odie5533oh08:35
jdubnot stop08:35
jdubwe never stop08:35
jsgotangcoalways08:35
smoucheodie5533, jdub is a developer.08:35
smoucheand bob2, /08:36
smouche?08:36
factotumand ya don' stooop08:36
geneo93its hard to stop in irc08:36
odie5533wow, I thought that dev's weren't coming in here08:36
odie5533'stop' = come into IRC08:36
odie5533Maybe its a chicago term...08:36
smoucheThey stoop to konquer.08:36
odie5533jdub: what is gnubuntu.org/com/net for?08:37
factotumdevs are everywhere, its crazy when you meet one, especially when youve known them off and on for a looong time08:37
geneo93coffee shop08:37
odie5533coffee shop?08:37
jdubodie5533: might be a surprise. :-)08:37
odie5533Do you know?08:37
jdubyes.08:37
odie5533:D08:37
bob2hah08:37
odie5533I hope its a good surprise!08:38
jsgotangcointeresting08:38
geneo93maybe08:38
jdub(compare the dates of gnubuntu.org and kubuntu.org)08:38
geneo93dont start agggain08:39
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jsgotangcohaha08:39
jsgotangcointeresting stuff08:39
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smouchehmm, let me guess-- gnubuntu is Shuttleworth's gift to Richard Stallman -- no funding worries for gnu open source ever in perpetuity!08:39
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smouche(how rich is Shuttleworth anyway?)08:39
crimsun"enough"08:39
odie5533sptember 0408:39
jsgotangcorich enough to join the soyuz08:39
odie5533So what is gnubuntu.org for08:40
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smouchejesus, I started a joke, and it got the whole world coughing...08:40
BuffaloSoldiermaybe gnubuntu is like an investment for the future08:40
BuffaloSoldierGNU/Hurd based Ubuntu08:40
odie5533ubuntu.org was created months before gnubuntu08:40
jsgotangcoif HURD does get finished08:40
jsgotangcohehe08:40
odie5533or maybe its a top secret organization08:41
smouchesomebody register noobuntu, please08:41
odie5533bent on... distributing free operating systems08:41
syn-ackjsgotangco: it will be done. They bitch more than any other org I know.08:41
virtualdwhat do you think comes first, Hurd or Duke Nukem Forever?08:41
jsgotangcohow about poobuntu since people sometimes think the ubuntu colors remind them of poo08:41
bob2the hurd exists already08:41
bob2duke nukem forever does not08:42
virtualdwell08:42
virtualdthey have code08:42
virtualdB] 08:42
smouchedoodoobuntu08:42
turfguys has any one here have successful made internal modem of ibook work, can u direct me to some docs?08:43
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odie5533Hmm08:43
odie5533is ubuntu registration down?08:44
jsgotangcoits borked at the moment in my experience08:44
turfi down load it from there site08:44
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jsgotangcoi cant even fix the wiki08:44
bob2odie5533: as I said earlier, it's broken08:44
BuffaloSoldiervirtuald: i think duke nukem first :P08:44
odie5533Ah, sorry, I missed that08:44
virtuald:P08:44
smoucheDuke Nukuntu vs The HURD08:45
BuffaloSoldierbut i do hope it gets finished... another opensource OS.. the more the merrier08:45
puppetno one that have check on v4l2 and v4l? since gnomemeeting dont work at all now kinda :/ But the rest work with cam its just kinda gnomemeeting08:46
bob2turf: if it's a g3 ibook, it should be possible08:46
BuffaloSoldierDuke Nukuntu = Duke Nukem for Ubuntu?08:46
smoucheI hope open BeOs or whatever it's called gets finished.08:46
BuffaloSoldiersmouche: is that Zeta OS?08:46
turfbob2: its an old ibook 300 mhz08:46
smoucheBuffaloSoldier, I think Zeta is one of the BeOs clone projects, yeah -- but there are others... /08:47
smoucheI think -- anyway, I loved BeOs.08:47
turfbob2: i notice during installation the only detected for net connection is airport and my eth008:47
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bob2sure, it won't work automatically08:47
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turfbob2: yes its a G3 300 mhz, its kind of old08:48
jsgotangcoi think the older airports are supported but the newer ones use broadcom so its a no go08:48
smouchetoo bad thoreauputic isn't on here now; he uses an ibook, I think08:49
smouchebut on a dialup08:49
turfi havent tried airport yet, only the lan08:49
smoucheyeah, new airport i've heard is not supported08:49
turfsmouche; he have use it on a dialup?08:49
jsgotangcohe's good08:49
jsgotangcohhee08:49
Sirinusbob2: Thanks for starting to help me..looks like a reburn with different software on a different machine fixed the issue :)08:49
smoucheyeah, I think so08:49
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jsgotangcohi membreya08:50
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bob2Sirinus: ah, right08:51
bob2Sirinus: broken cds seem to cause most install problems trhese days08:51
membreyahey there jsgotangco :)08:51
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Sirinusbob2: Yeah, I eventually found a post on the forum which talked about Nero causing issues..seems to be the case here, too08:52
puppetbah no one more that have problems with v4l2 :( Worked fine in Debian :/08:52
woodywartyHi all08:52
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woodywartyCan somebody help to out with Squid08:52
membreyanot long now till the final :D08:52
BuffaloSoldierguys, got to go.. take care08:53
woodywartySquid is running fine on my system08:53
puppetsquid is easy to setup08:53
woodywartyBut the access.log is 0 KB in size08:53
GNAMvery best in translations is BAD08:53
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GNAMyou must learn english.08:53
membreyawoodywarty: have you configured the log properly ?08:53
woodywartyWhy is the access.log 0 KB in size08:53
jimarkoHey all! Quick Question... Anyone had issues with Flash animations losing sync with sound?08:53
woodywartymembreya, I sure did the config rightly08:53
smouchebob2, Sirinus, Nero kept screwing up my ubuntu CDs till i set the burn to slowest speed possible.08:53
membreyadid you chmod the /var/log/squid directory?08:54
turfwhere should i go for basic commands in ubuntu, cause some of the command i use like for ex. service mysql restart stuff like that?08:54
membreyai mean chown08:54
bob2membreya: you don't need to do that08:54
bob2turf: they're all the same as Debian08:54
bob2turf: invoke-rc.d is the tool you're looking for there08:54
turfok, thanks08:54
woodywartyWell I did08:54
membreyawoodywarty: in your squid.conf, have you stipulated the log file08:54
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woodywartyYes I did, hey it is now working08:55
membreyalol :P08:55
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woodywartymembreya, I don't understand why08:55
woodywartyBut tomorrow, the access.log will again be 0 KB in size08:56
turfby the way ubuntu is cool in ibook, easy to install just need to work on my int. modem08:56
membreyanfi woodywarty, try #squid :) chrish is a great help08:56
membreyawoodywarty: don't forget that the log rotates daily08:56
woodywartyAnd today's access logs gets tared08:56
bob2woodywarty: er, you know logs get rotated, right?08:58
bob2this is the same on all modern unixes08:58
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membreyabob2: that's what I said :P08:58
woodywartybob2, what do you mean by rotated ?08:59
jimarkohas anyone encountered a SWF audio sync problem?08:59
woodywartywhat should the write permissions of the the access.log be ?08:59
puppetwoodywarty: to the user you run squish as09:00
bob2woodywarty: don't touch the permissions09:00
bob2they are fine09:00
bob2you'll only break it09:00
pinPointthere's almost audio sync in anything involving video and audio09:00
pinPointor clip and audio09:00
bob2woodywarty: every morning, a tool called logrotate moves your log files to a new name and compresses the old ones09:00
membreyabob2: wouldn't that depend on the user you run squid as ? :P09:00
bob2woodywarty: this is so your logs don't fill up /var/log/09:00
pinPointi experience audio sync problems in DVDs too09:00
bob2membreya: the default in Debian and Ubuntu is fine09:00
woodywartyOh Ok, that's going well09:00
membreyabob2: you mean "nobody"09:01
woodywartyBut I really don't understand why the access.log stops working after getting rotated today09:01
bob2woodywarty: "stops working"?09:01
bob2did someone change the permissions on it?09:01
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woodywartyfor example, the access.log will again be 0 KB in size after getting rotated tomorrow09:01
membreyabob2: he said it's 0 bytes....but then said "it's working"09:01
syn-ackjimarko: Blame Macromedia for that. its common on all linux distros09:02
membreyawoodywarty: rotated means it gets emptied09:02
jimarkoARGH! really? and there is no other plugin is there...09:02
bob2woodywarty: that's fine.  then as new requests come in, it'll grow.09:02
jimarkolike a 3rd party developed plugin or something09:02
woodywartyWell yes, the access.log file today will get zipped tomorrow09:02
topylijimarko: nobody can make one09:02
syn-ackjimarko: not one worth a damn09:02
woodywartyToday's access.log will be access.log.1.gz tomorrow09:03
bob2woodywarty: right09:03
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bob2woodywarty: I don't think we get what yo uthink the problem is09:03
woodywartyBut after that, the new access.log will be again 0 KB in size09:03
jimarkook, well thx for the info :)09:03
dave_anyone know how to install nvidia drivers?09:04
membreyadave_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx09:04
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woodywartybob2, I am saying that my access.log tomorrow will be 0KB09:04
lizardkinghello09:04
syn-ackwoodywarty: and the problem with that is?09:04
bob2dave_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto09:04
ioguix_hello09:04
bob2woodywarty: that's what's supposed to happen09:04
membreyawoodywarty: as i said, when the log rotates it empties09:05
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woodywartyWell how can I analyze a Access.log which is 0 KB in size09:05
bob2woodywarty: er?09:05
bob2woodywarty: you're missing the point09:05
membreyawoodywarty: check the stored logs09:05
topyliwoodywarty: analyze the old one, it's all there09:05
bob2woodywarty: if you want to look at yesterday's data, look at access.1.log.gz09:05
lizardkingdo U know which program or gdesk display allow you to put the Terminal in the desktop background?09:05
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AmaranthCan I get hoary users to try out the latest release of my menu editor? I need lots of testers. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139009:05
dave_yeh i install my driver then edit the config to use the driver rather than the base driver and xwindow dosnt start09:05
membreyalizardking: AFAIK you cant09:05
syn-ackwoodywarty: see this? this install is almost 3 weeks old: 6.6M    /var/log09:05
jsgotangcoAmaranth: i'll get it now to try it tee hee09:06
dave_nvidia09:06
membreyawoodywarty: use calamaris to analyze your log files09:06
syn-ackwoodywarty: it would be ALOT larger without the compression09:06
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Amaranthjsgotangco: Are you the one I told to wait a day? :)09:06
membreyaAmaranth's release is SOOOOO yesterday :P09:06
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AmaranthI'm going to see if the MOTU can get this in if no one has issues with it.09:06
jsgotangcono that wasnt me hehehe09:06
Amaranthmembreya: This is 0.4.09:06
membreyalol calamari_ :P09:07
membreyaoo oo link me baby!09:07
Amaranthread up :P09:07
membreyadamn developers that release a new version every day09:07
AmaranthIt doesn't actually add any new features.09:07
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AmaranthIt's just a polish release, something worthy of getting into universe (I hope).09:07
jsgotangcovlc was updated twicetoday lol09:07
dave_i just installed that today09:08
membreyapolish? :| who the hell speaks polish09:08
lizardking0353do U know which program allow you to display the terminal in the desktop background like a gdesk display?09:08
woodywartyType:  303880 Mar 23 13:16 access.log09:08
calamari_kate was updated to fix an editing bug, but I haven't had time to download all of kde to compile it :)09:08
Amaranthvlc-gtk makes vlc usable, btw :)09:08
Amaranthmembreya: um, polish as in what you do to make things shine :P09:08
membreyaoh POLISH..not polish ...gotcha :)09:08
jsgotangcoohhhhh09:08
jsgotangcoits nice09:08
membreyaAmaranth: develop your own icon :P09:09
Amaranthmembreya: meh, i suck with inkscape and gimp09:09
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lizardking0353hello09:09
jsgotangcolet's make a documentation for it for yelp09:09
lizardking0353only a question!09:09
Amaranthbesides, the foot is used for the menus so it makes sense that it would be used for the editor ;)09:09
dave_Is there a way to connect to the internet using gui?09:09
elmayaAmaranth, how do u run vlc-gtk?09:09
membreyatrying to justify your lax action Amaranth ? :P09:09
dave_Im using a script in the terminal09:09
Amaranthelmaya: Just install it, you'll be able to tell the difference.09:09
jsgotangcoAmaranth: it seems to work fine09:10
membreyanah, all respect to you ..it's a great app :)09:10
Amaranthelmaya: You'll have to reopen vlc, of course.09:10
elmayai did but when i type vlc-gtk nothing works09:10
jsgotangcowhy not apply it for universe09:10
Amaranthjsgotangco: I'm going to, if I can get some speedy QA from you guys. :)09:10
lizardking0353dave, which kind of script?09:10
AmaranthDo you worst, try to break it.09:10
jsgotangcosure09:10
dave_a basic script09:10
Amarantherr, your09:10
jsgotangcoill try to do a docbook for it later09:11
AmaranthDon't delete any files, that's cheating. :D09:11
lizardking0353can you send me yours script?09:11
dave_#!/bin/bash09:11
dave_slmodemd --country=7e /dev/slamr0 &09:11
dave_wvdial &09:11
lizardking0353please09:11
=== membreya sudo killall's menu-editor...there ya go Amaranth :)
calamari_dave: I use gnome's modemlights taskbar application09:11
Amaranthlizardking0353: GNOME PPP?09:11
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jsgotangcolet me reboot x09:11
elmayaAmaranth, whats the command vlc-gtk?09:11
lizardking0353nome PPP?09:11
Amaranthelmaya: Just vlc09:12
elmayahummm09:12
Amaranthlizardking0353: Yeah, the gnome-ppp package.09:12
Amaranthelmaya: You can't tell the difference?09:12
calamari_dave: it uses pppon / off to work, though.. so you'd need to set things up with pppconfig first09:12
lizardking0353do put the terminal on the screen?09:12
dave_k09:13
topyliAmaranth: seems to work. also, lots of progress -- i was a bit behind the times, had v0.1 :)09:13
Amaranthhehe09:13
Amaranthno more root editting!09:13
topyliyah09:13
dave_i minimize the terminal once its connected09:13
lizardking0353dave but if i put the bash code in bashrd then My terminal goes to the desktop?09:14
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woodywartybob2, my problem is that my Access.log won't be created daily automatically09:14
jsgotangcohmmm09:14
jsgotangcoAmaranth: make your own icon lol09:14
Amaranthjsgotangco: make me one09:14
calamari_lizardking0353: umm, I think he's talking about getting online, maybe not about your problem.. but I could be mistaken :)09:14
membreyajsgotangco: already gave him that feedback :)09:14
jsgotangcoim bad at it ill just make you a docbook09:14
dave_?09:14
lizardking0353Amaranth how can I configure GNOMEPPP TO DO THAT?09:15
topylijsgotangco: actually Amaranth has a point when he says the foot _is_ what's on the menu itself09:15
membreyai hate seeing icons reused.it's so passe :P09:15
woodywartyHow can I get my Squid's access.log to be update daily09:15
Amaranthlizardking0353: err, i thought you wanted a gui app to connect to the internet09:15
lizardking0353 no no09:15
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lizardking0353i want terminal permanently on the desktop like a gdesk app09:15
membreyaAmaranth: he wants his terminal embedded on his desktop ..AFAIK it cant be done09:16
Amaranthoh09:16
Amaranthdave_: gnome-ppp :P09:16
dave_i want a gui app to connect to the internet09:16
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dave_k09:16
lizardking0353:P09:16
Amaranthlizardking0353: you can get a one liner in your panel that doesn't give feedback09:16
lizardking0353mini commander?09:17
Amaranthi think that's it09:17
woodywartybob2,09:17
lizardking0353because I have seen in some screeen shot I think the terminal in the deskop09:17
topylilizardking0353: do alt-f2. there's your terminal, embedded on the desktop :)09:17
woodywartybob2 ?09:17
lizardking0353eheh09:17
lizardking0353:d09:17
membreyalol topyli :P09:17
johns^lizardking0353: it's probably a terminal without borders & menubar?09:18
topyliyou may lose some icons and stuff though09:18
lizardking0353yes09:18
woodywartymembreya, syn-ack09:18
johns^on a gnome desktop?09:18
Amaranththat isn't embedded09:18
Amaranththat's just chromeless09:18
jsgotangcoperfect09:18
Amaranthi think eterm can do that09:18
lizardking0353boh i don't remember which DESK09:18
woodywartyAmaranth, can you help me out with Squid09:18
lizardking0353eterm so I apt get install it !09:19
woodywartybob2 , syn-ack09:19
Amaranthwoodywarty: Never used it.09:19
bob2woodywarty: stop it09:19
lizardking0353the configure that09:19
lizardking0353ok09:19
bob2woodywarty: it will be created when something write to it09:19
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bob2if it's not, it's a bug09:19
lizardking0353thanks you to ALL :D09:19
Amaranthjsgotangco: what's perfect?09:19
woodywarty-rw-r--r--    1 squid     6218214 Mar 22 04:01 access.log.2.gz09:19
membreyabob2: either that or his squid / browser configs are wrong :P09:19
DemisMI was wondering, when I log out my screen blacks out any reason why this happens I'm using ati?09:19
woodywartyIs the ownership right09:19
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AmaranthDemisM: It's just X restarting.09:20
AmaranthDemisM: It comes back, right?09:20
jsgotangcoAmaranth: the editor is just perfect at the moment does what it needs to do09:20
DemisMno09:20
Amarantho_O09:20
elmayaAmaranth, oh..now i see the diff09:20
topyliAmaranth: yeah, you fixed gnome single-handedly :)09:21
bob2woodywarty: don't touch the permissiions or ownership09:21
DemisMlet me try it again09:21
Amaranthelmaya: I guess it sticks out more for me, I use Clearlooks-Indubstrial09:21
elmayavlc rocks09:21
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Amaranthtopyli, jsgotangco: Thanks. :)09:21
woodywartyI don't understand this Group ID consisting of numbers09:21
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negativecreephi all09:22
negativecreep/usr/bin/dirsplit : permission denied09:22
AmaranthI'll let a few more random people attempt to break it.09:22
negativecreepthis is what I get when i try to use dirsplit as root09:22
jsgotangcoAmaranth: i'll make a docbook for it later so i it could have a simple manual at least09:22
Amaranthjsgotangco: I don't really think it needs one.09:23
jsgotangcooh come on im not doing anything at the moment09:23
jsgotangcohehe09:23
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membreyajsgotangco: write a manual for mouse cursors :P09:24
puppetbah no one more that have problems with v4l2 :( Worked fine in Debian :/09:25
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Amaranthjsgotangco: Write me a Continuum clone. ;)09:26
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membreyapuppet: what's wrong ?09:26
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DemisMok I logout from the ubuntu desktop and it never comes back, it just blacks out, anyone ahve this problem, or has had it and fixed it, or know about it?09:27
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jsgotangcowait a minute09:27
jsgotangcohow come you can't delete stuff09:27
puppetmembreya: v4l209:27
jsgotangco?09:27
puppetmembreya: doesnt completley work :/09:27
Amaranthjsgotangco: What can't you delete?09:27
membreyapuppet: elaborate09:27
puppetmembreya: i had v4l supprt in debian, but when i installed ubuntu there just is v4l209:27
jsgotangcoi want to delete some entries09:27
puppetmembreya: and the v4l2 > v4l1 support aint that good09:27
puppetmembreya: so it kinda suck :/09:27
Amaranthjsgotangco: I need more details.09:27
membreyapuppet: what exactly is "not working" with v4l2?09:28
puppetmembreya: the webcam09:28
puppetmembreya: i have tried latest snapshot of pwc09:28
jsgotangcoAmaranth: how can you delete entries in the editor say i want to delete vlc or move it elsewhere09:28
woodywartybo2, last question. If my access.log becomes 0 KB and does not increase in size, what should I do ?09:28
puppetmembreya: that is supposed to support v4l209:28
membreyaoh, i only have a logitech quickcam express..09:28
membreyaand i haven't bothered getting it work properly09:28
Amaranthjsgotangco: err, double click on the entry and click the delete button09:28
membreyaAmaranth: damn you, make it a single click interface09:29
Amaranthmembreya: Real users always double click. ALWAYS09:29
jsgotangcowell now you need a manual09:29
jsgotangco:D09:29
Amaranth;P09:29
puppetcat: /tmp/tmpfile: No such file or directory09:29
membreyajsgotangco: you just want you name in the credit :P09:29
puppetbah oops ;p09:29
jsgotangcobah fine09:29
puppetwrong server haha09:29
jsgotangcoim not doing anything then09:30
puppetMar 23 01:57:43 localhost kernel: pwc Frame buffer underflow (1130 bytes); discarded.09:30
membreyaim sure that upsets Amaranth :P09:30
puppetit gets like that membreya09:30
AmaranthSeriously, users that don't double click everything are usually the ones that will be able to figure out that you need to double click some things. :P09:30
Amaranthjsgotangco: You can write one, I can't guarantee I'll use it.09:30
Amaranthjsgotangco: I know I'll need one later on though.09:30
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Insomhi all09:30
woodywartyast question. If my access.log becomes 0 KB and does not increase in size, what should I do ?09:30
jsgotangcoits ok i'll just pass09:31
Insomhow can i find out witch version of samba i am using in console?09:31
jsgotangcoill just clean up the wiki09:31
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AmaranthYeah, a nice wiki entry would be cool.09:32
jsgotangcono i mean clean up the wiki like i always do09:32
jsgotangco:D09:32
woodywartylast question. If my Squid's access.log becomes 0 KB after being rotated tomorrow, what should I do ?09:33
DemisMis there a way I can uninstall evolution and other programs with having to uninstall some other programs like ubuntu-desktop09:33
jsgotangcoi believe ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package09:33
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jsgotangcoit just points to actual packages09:33
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Insomanyone? what do i type in console to find out wtich version of samba i have on my ubuntu sisthem?09:35
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odie5533Any C coders here?09:35
DemisMwhen I do a system log out, my screen never returns, it just blacks out. would this be an ati fglrx driver problem, cause it worked when I had the ati instead of fglrx driver...09:36
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dave_go to the samba config file?09:37
topyliInsom: apt-cache show samba09:38
Insomtnx topyli09:38
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tyrethHi, ubuntu seems to only have libboost packages of version 1.31.0 but I need 1.32.0.  I know debian testing has the newer version - will it be bad for me to use those?  how can I get and install them using apt-get?09:38
puppeti dont like v4l2 :'(09:39
puppetis it so hard to just get back v4l in gnomemeeting :/09:39
Insomtopyli: does that work for all other packages09:40
virtualdpuppet: mew09:41
java-joneshello help with installing linux on laptop without cdrom09:41
java-jonescan anyone pls help09:41
topyliInsom: any package, yes09:41
java-jonesi have a ibm thinkpad09:41
puppetvirtuald: help me bitch :(09:41
virtualdpuppet: sed -i s/v4l2/v4l/g /usr/bin/gnomemeeting :D09:41
crimsunjava-jones: got a network connection?09:41
java-jonesits got a cdrom but its not working09:42
puppetvirtuald: lol09:42
puppetvirtuald: hahhahaha09:42
java-jonesyeah its got a usb lan09:42
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virtualdi don't use it09:42
Insomif u dont have broad band u should give it up java-jones09:42
Smevenmy comp keeps doing weird things09:42
puppetvirtuald: use it and fix it! ;P09:42
crimsunjava-jones: please try the netboot option, then. Search http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/09:42
virtuald:P09:42
Smeventhe eth0 just keeps losing its ip and dropping off the net09:42
puppetvirtuald: i know where u live!09:42
java-jonesbut i can install via NFS09:42
puppetvirtuald: almost not ;p09:42
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Smevenand dmesg doesnt say a thing about it09:42
java-jonesthe thing is i created bootdisk from RHEL 309:43
java-jonesbut when i try booting from floppy its gives error msg "boot failed"09:43
virtualdpuppet: i moved in december, did you know that too? :P09:43
java-jonesthe same disk is working on other desktop pcs09:43
puppetvirtuald: no ;p09:43
DemisMare the packages in the universe and multiverse repositories safe to install (i.e. wont break the system)?09:43
puppetvirtuald: didnt know that09:43
puppetvirtuald: moved where?09:43
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crimsunjava-jones: try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Netboot%20InstallHowto09:44
virtualdpuppet: bellevuegrden09:44
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odie5533Is there a way to mount a bin file as a cd?09:45
VladDraccan't say the sarge->hoary migration is as easy as the docs promised :(09:45
DemisMwhat does the following command do? echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules09:46
crimsunVladDrac: that's because sarge is not in the same state as it was when the docs were written ;)09:46
VladDracodie: if it's .bin/.cue, get an iso out of it first (bchunk), then do a loopback mount09:46
crimsunDemisM: it adds fglrx to the list of modules that are automatically loaded during boot09:46
topyliDemisM: yes, they are built for ubuntu and should work09:46
topyliDemisM: looks like it will add fglrx to the end of /etc/modules :)09:47
dave_anyone know how to install .deb packages that are on my comp?09:48
syn-ackdave_: man dpkg09:48
dave_cool09:48
syn-ackdave_: its one of the better manpages out there09:49
syn-ackdave_: you may want to man 8 apt-get as well09:49
DemisMthe resolution program doesn't work The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available. How can I view my current resolution and or change it?09:49
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BurgundaviaDemisM: most of universe is simply stuff from debian just rebuilt09:51
VladDrac  ? Attempt to autodetect video hardware?                                    ?09:51
VladDrachere we go again!09:51
Insomwhat do i have to install in order to watch divx movies and listen to mp3s?09:52
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jsgotangcoyoull need codecs09:52
Insomi know but witch ones?09:53
DemisMor from where?09:53
Insomwhere do i get them?09:53
jsgotangcoits not in the ubuntu repositories but elsewhere09:53
jsgotangcohold on09:53
Insomk09:53
BurgundaviaInsom: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:53
jsgotangcothere09:54
jsgotangcohe beat me to it09:54
Burgundaviaoh09:54
Burgundaviawiki is down right now09:54
jsgotangcoits borked09:54
Burgundaviaelmo is borking it right now09:54
BurgundaviaInsom: quick run through09:54
jsgotangcoyou can try the marillat repositories09:55
BurgundaviaInsom: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main09:55
BurgundaviaInsom: add that using synaptic09:55
BurgundaviaInsom: then seek out w32codecs09:55
BurgundaviaInsom: that will get you the codecs09:55
sabmocborkdy borkdy bork bork bork!!09:55
sabmocbork09:55
topylithen burn them!09:56
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Burgundaviasabmoc: how dare you say that about my father09:56
sabmocIm sorry09:56
sabmocbut someone had to say it09:56
odie5533How do I mount a bin file?09:56
topyliBurgundavia: don't shoot the messenger dude09:56
sabmocodie5533, mount a bin?09:57
odie5533yes09:57
odie5533bin/cue09:57
woodywartyDoes somebody know what  /etc/logrotate.d/squid  file do ?09:58
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alavistawoodywarty: will rotate the squid log files10:00
woodywartyIs the line:       squid -k reconfigure10:01
woodywartyfine10:01
woodywartyOr    squid -k rotate10:02
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gruadis it possible to re-run hardware detection on an already installed system10:03
KarlosIIgood question10:04
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Adrossi put forward the motion of changing the topic title to a hyerlink of 'RTFM' linking to google10:10
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DemisMwhen I try launcching totem movie player I get a resource busy or not available anybody know why or how to fix it?10:15
Adrossi get that too10:16
Adrossi can semi-fix it10:16
Adrossthat is, use vlc10:16
DemisMlol10:16
Adrosscan play anything, with or without codecs10:16
DemisMi can fix it, use xine10:16
Adrossmeh, i still recommend vlc10:16
Adrossitunes on crack10:17
Quinn_Stormahem...while it doesn't play video, I will have to disagree, and say that amaroK is itunes on crack...vlc is just...good10:17
jsgotangcovlc is very good10:17
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jsgotangcoi really like amarok but i dont like the idea of downloading a lot of kde components just to run it10:18
mischaquestion to anyone: i upgraded from warty to hoary on my del laptop. when i start x (xorg). it takes ages (5 min) for my gnome panel to come up and if i start any app it pops up with nothing inside and after 3 mins or so the inside of the app appears.....im clules about what is happening...10:20
Quinn_Stormjsgotangco: well I run kde so...:-P  however I know what you mean.  I don't care as much as I'm on a nice broadband and have plenty of HD space, but if one or both of those aren't true, it can be a real pain if you prefer the other de10:20
jsgotangcotrue10:20
Quinn_Stormmischa: how much ram, what proc speed?10:20
mischa512 ram10:20
Quinn_Stormmischa: ouch...you -should- be fine with that kind of ram...anyone have an idea?10:21
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mischaits an inspiro dell10:21
jsgotangcoit should be fast actually10:21
Quinn_Stormyeah it should be plenty fast...(I also have 512mb ram on this box and pretty much never touch swap unless I have like 20 ffox tabs open or something)10:21
mischai know... the machine is not busy either10:21
mischait's just wiating....10:22
VladDraccrap10:22
VladDracsarge->hoary == total failure10:22
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jsgotangcomy laptop only has 256MB Ram but its fast10:22
Quinn_StormVladDrac: yeah...its a much better idea to just go with an ubuntu fresh install, they use patched versions of a lot of stuff10:22
jsgotangcoyeah10:22
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jsgotangcoit will crash10:22
jsgotangcoubuntu has a lot of meta packages as well10:23
VladDracquinn: that's not really what people told me yesterday when I asked about the sarge->hoary upgrade (or downgrade as it turns out) :(10:23
Quinn_Stormbtw I just blew away my debian partition and gave ubuntu a bigger bit of space (5gb -> 20gb), its quite amazing how quickly reiserfs can copy a whole 3gb-worth of filesystem10:23
mischawell....i think the fastest sissy solution will be to reinstall with a hoary install :(10:23
Quinn_Stormmischa: unless you have a lot of stuff you can't back up, yeah, reinstall is the best idea I think10:24
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Adrossresierfs is great for many small files10:24
mischayep, it's a clean lappie10:24
Adrossi still prefer ext3 though10:24
Adrossat least, right now10:24
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VladDracSite error10:24
VladDracThis site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:10:24
VladDracError Type10:24
VladDrac    Fault10:24
VladDracgreat10:24
Quinn_StormAdross: so far reiser (3.6, haven't tried 4) has been nice and fast, and taken far less space then ext310:25
VladDraceverything's broken today10:25
Quinn_StormVladDrac: lol10:25
mischait's the laptop of my girlfriend. i want to use it for support at knight :)10:25
mischa-K10:25
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Quinn_Stormmischa: fortunately the ubuntu install is nice and smooth...and might I reccomend checking out kubuntu too (of course I'd say that given I'm a kde person)10:25
VladDrac(and I'm really glad I didn't "upgrade" my office desktop yesterday)10:25
Quinn_Stormmischa: if you like kde, and just use the regular ubuntu install, install kubuntu-desktop to get kde/kubuntu10:26
DemisMwhat program do you guys recommend for mp3 playback?10:26
P3L|C4N0XMMS10:26
topyliDemisM: mp3 is not the issue, it's what sort of players you like10:27
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Wildthingxmms is like winamp10:27
DemisMi liked winamp10:27
mischaQuinn_Storm: i don't really care about the interface...:) i am a terminal dude anyway :)10:27
Wildthingyou play mp3s from terminal?10:27
P3L|C4N0from bash?10:28
Quinn_StormDemisM: I prefer amaroK but I'm a kde person10:28
mischampg12310:28
Wildthingheh some things i need a gui for10:28
Quinn_Stormmischa: you mean mpg321 :-P10:28
Wildthingirc is one of em...10:28
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Quinn_StormWildthing: while I'm not a console person, irssi is quite nice for irc10:28
mischaQuinn_Strom: :)10:28
DemisMdo any of the mozilla plugins work for firefox?10:28
Wildthingso i hear...10:28
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Wildthingcoming from mIRC, xchat is easier though10:29
Wildthingit'd take me some time to learn irssi10:29
paulproteusDemisM: Like flash-nonfree?  Yes.10:29
topylimischa: or mpd, which you can control from cli, gui, web...10:29
Wildthinghow long did it take u to learn irssi Quinn_Storm ?10:30
topyliirssi can be learned in about 10 minutes10:30
Wildthingand get it all configured?10:31
Quinn_StormWildthing: it was pretty much right away, irssi is very simple, assuming you're used to using /join and such10:31
DemisMis irssi only terminal based?10:31
Quinn_StormDemisM: yeah, use xchat, konversation, etc. for X11-irc10:31
Wildthingyeah im used to /join and /part10:31
topyliWildthing: well, you'll start changing the default configuration only after using it for a while10:31
Wildthingbut i go on multiple servers/multiple channels, like browsing user names, etc.10:31
topyliWildthing: it has windowing for that10:32
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Wildthingwhat about dcc transfers/chats?10:32
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topylisure10:32
topylihmm. not sure about file transfers. should work though10:33
Wildthingmmm10:33
Wildthingi'll give it a try sometime10:33
Wildthingnot tonight though10:33
Wildthingfor tonight, xchat shall remain in use10:33
DemisMirssi is like ircII only prettier10:33
dwa_irssi rules10:33
dwa_it's also great if you're on different pc's all the time10:33
Wildthinghow so?10:33
dwa_you can run it on one machine and pick it up from all the others10:33
topyliWildthing: basically, you need irssi when you ssh to your home box and have no gui. locally, you can use whatever10:34
Quinn_Stormirssi is great for when you're installing a new distro and X doesn't work :-P10:34
dwa_hehe true :)10:34
dwa_Quinn_Storm : or when you're installing gentoo10:34
topyliyeah10:34
Quinn_Stormdwa_: I tend to try not to do things that silly10:34
dwa_that's not silly, only a bit time consuming :)10:34
Insomchatzilla?10:34
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Quinn_Stormdwa_: lol, I prefer (k)ubuntu by far10:35
Wildthingi don't think i'll ever ssh to my home box10:35
Wildthingi don't have sshd up10:35
topyliInsom: well, i've seen that working too10:35
Insomwell im useing it and i like it10:35
topyliWildthing: then it's pretty sure you won't ssh in :)10:35
Insomit works fine for me10:35
Quinn_Stormchatzilla is too slow as far as I am concerned...all of xul seems to be10:35
Wildthingwait...10:35
Wildthingyou can ssh and use IRC via ur home box?10:35
dwa_yes10:36
Wildthingserious?10:36
dwa_you don't have to use ssh10:36
Wildthingthat's freaking awesome10:36
topylisure10:36
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dwa_irssi as something build in for that10:36
topyliWildthing: i never carry laptops around, they're silly. i find a box (any box) and connect to my home box10:36
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Wildthingheh i like my laptop10:36
dwa_http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c1010:36
Wildthinglab computer keyboards are icky10:37
topyliWildthing: for emergencies, i have putty on my phone :)10:37
dwa_check that10:37
WildthingROFL10:37
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Wildthingputty on the phone....now THAT is hardcore10:37
topyliWildthing: i have nethack too :)10:38
Wildthingnot familiar with it10:38
dwa_not quite usable i guess :)10:38
dwa_and that coming from the guy who's complaining about laptop keyboards ;)10:38
Wildthingyou can seriously ssh and use irssi like that?10:38
topylidwa_: it's ok. i have an old nokia communicator with a 80x25 screen and a full keyboard10:38
dwa_Wildthing : yes10:39
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Wildthingwould ssh handle windowing of the terminal n stuff that u have setup in irssi?10:39
Quinn_Stormtopyli: btw, on that phone, how laggy is the ssh connection?10:39
topyliQuinn_Storm: it's painful :)10:39
sabmocQuinn_Storm, hey10:39
Quinn_Stormtopyli: I guessed as much, lol10:40
topyliQuinn_Storm: the commie has a modem speed of about 1K10:40
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Quinn_Stormtopyli: heh, its really latency thats the big issue, IIRC, GSM/GPRS/etc tend to have very high latency (just a guess but I bet it can be as high as 1 or 2 seconds)10:41
garrutwhat do i have to restart to change my hostname?10:41
Wildthinglol i can imagine trying to type in all the commands on a touchtone phone...10:41
KamionWildthing: irssi windowing works fine over ssh10:41
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Wildthingwow10:41
Wildthingmaybe i'll set something like that up10:41
Kamakazieso does centericq10:41
Wildthingdo you just login as your root user? or do you setup an account just for ssh?10:41
Quinn_StormWildthing: you can log in as any user you want10:42
topyliQuinn_Storm: connection speed: 960010:42
Kamakazieyou can slog in as any user10:42
Quinn_Stormtopyli: yeah, though like I said its the latency thats the big issue10:42
Wildthingmmm10:42
Wildthingdang10:42
Wildthingi did not know you could do that10:42
topyliQuinn_Storm: mostly, i just fetch and send email10:42
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Kamakaziei wish ssh supported multiple terminal emulation :(10:42
KamionKamakazie: what do you mean?10:43
topyliKamakazie: use screen10:43
Quinn_Stormtopyli: if I had it (and a decent data plan) I'd look into writing IM clients for it and stuff10:43
DemisMcan I connect to my box from another computer, but with windows' remote connection program?10:43
Wildthinganything else i should know you can do w/ linux/irc/etc. ?10:43
Kamakaziei dont wanna use screen its easier to press ctr alt Fx10:43
Quinn_StormDemisM: no, there's no rdp server for linux.  however there is a nice rdp client (rdesktop)10:43
Quinn_StormDemisM: I know this b/c it was a very recent story on /.10:44
topyliQuinn_Storm: i've tried ssh/irssi and i don't think it was that bad. the screen refresh was a bigger problem when text scrolls on a full screen10:44
garrutdoes anyone what i have to restart to change my hostname?10:44
Kamakazie   /.\10:44
KamionKamakazie: as my fiancee says, "use screen and you'll go to heaven"10:44
Kamakazie   /.    does not know all10:44
DemisMdo any of you know why I can't log out without my computer locking up?10:45
Quinn_Stormtopyli: interesting10:45
garrutDemisM: i've had that since i enabled xcomposite10:45
topyliQuinn_Storm: there's a lot of software for this phone. even vim and nethack :)10:45
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randyyou can Control+Alt+F110:46
DemisMthat doesn't work10:46
topyliQuinn_Storm: doom too, but it didn't work form me10:46
Quinn_Stormtopyli: cool10:46
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randyi have to do that all the time b/c gnome never wants to finish logging out10:46
topyliQuinn_Storm: but it's off topic. look here: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/phones/9210/10:47
Quinn_StormDemisM: sounds like a video driver problem if it hard-locks like that10:47
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Quinn_Stormtopyli: cool, yeah, well back-on-topic ;)10:48
randyin the latest .iso of hoary, how do you get rid of gksudo in all the apps10:49
usernamein evolution, the contacts, there's an 'ldap' option. What's involved in setting this up?10:49
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Wildthingis evolution > thunderbird?10:50
membreyausername: establishing an ldap server?10:50
usernamemembreya, that's right.10:50
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buzzadoes any body have some to time to help me at all?10:51
buzzaproblems with sudo10:52
ruffianyea10:52
ruffianwhat you need?10:52
ruffianIf i can help that is10:52
buzzatrying to reset the sudo root password10:52
buzzadoesn't seem to be happening10:53
caffinatedWildthing: that's a hard comparison because evoltion is more than just a mail client10:53
Wildthingit's more like outlook, right?10:53
caffinatedkinda10:53
ruffianhave you changed the root password before?10:53
buzzamy command is sudo passwd root10:53
buzzano10:53
ruffianok10:53
ruffianthen when it askes for your password, enter your user password10:53
ruffianand then it would promote for a new password10:54
buzzabut it seems to asking for a password, not for one to be entered on mine10:54
ruffiansee if that works10:54
pepsi?10:54
pepsioops10:54
caffinatedWildthing: if you were to disregard all features except the mail end, i'd put them on fairly equal ground.10:54
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buzzai put in the command, then it returns with "Password:"10:54
Wildthingmmm10:54
Wildthingi'll stick with it then10:55
ruffianbuzza: Just put your current password10:55
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Wildthingman10:55
ruffianbuzza: The one you use to login to the system10:55
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Wildthingso far ubuntu has been so easy to do stuff with10:55
buzzarighto, give me a minute10:55
ruffianalright10:55
randyhas anyone here tried the hoary 5.04 for amd6410:55
Wildthingfc3 i had to do all this crap to get my intel wireless card, and vid card working10:55
DemisMhow do you guys get java10:56
ruffianrandy: I have heard, its hard to get 32 bit programs working10:56
DemisMdo you just get the jre from sun.java.com?10:56
buzzathanks that worked.10:56
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ruffianbuzza: No worries :)10:56
NermalDemisM, http://ubuntuguide.org/#fre10:56
Nermalffs10:56
buzzaI had tried that before, but must have did it wrong10:56
Nermalhttp://ubuntuguide.org/#jre10:56
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ruffianHappend to me too10:56
buzzathis seems to unsecure10:56
randyi've found that it's relatively easy to find replacement 64 bit packages10:56
Wildthinglol beat me to it Nermal10:56
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buzzait's quite easy to chnage the password10:56
randyfor all the others i just compile the source10:57
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catch-_ello!!!10:57
WildthingDemisM, if you want to use jdk, there is also a jre directory inside of jdk10:57
catch-_Am busy at work as you can see Nermal :)10:57
Wildthingso you would do something like jdk-1.5.../jre/bin10:57
Wildthingrather than the lines listed there10:57
ruffianOk, I need some help my self10:57
Nermalbuzza, howso?10:57
ruffianI cant seem to get the sound working10:58
membreyayou're scaring me Nermal :P10:58
Nermal:)10:58
catch-_ Hi, I'm trying to setup webdav for subversion to authenticate10:58
catch-_          against our windows2003 AD. I already have ssh and terminal logins10:58
catch-_          working against winbind (was using it for CVS) but I can't seem to10:58
catch-_          get apache2 to authenticate against it. The logs seems to indicate10:58
catch-_          that it's not even trying. I've got auth_pam_module in httpd.conf10:58
catch-_          and was wondering if anyone had any experience or could point me in10:58
catch-_          the right direction, I've tried google without much luck10:58
buzzawell, with such easy commands, couldn't anyone get inside a linux system and change the password?10:58
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ruffianbuzza: But first they have to login...wouldn't they?10:59
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Nermalcatch-_, #apache :)10:59
catch-_yeah, i copied and pasted it from another chan that i asked in, and didn't get a responce10:59
insanusany guide to learn and configure grub?10:59
catch-_#apache is empty ;)10:59
Nermal:)10:59
Nermal167 people there atm10:59
Seveasinsanus, try the grub manual :)10:59
caffinatedmembreya: you know, in the wrong frame of mind, that could be ... a very bad thing to say ;)10:59
catch-_sorry i checked #apache210:59
catch-_:|10:59
ruffianThe sound server is working, i Have installed the mp3 codecs...yet no sound when i am playing songs through xmms10:59
membreyalol caffinated :P10:59
ruffianAny suggestion?10:59
Nermaltry not to paste that in there, join the lines up :|10:59
catch-_going to11:00
Nermalruffian, umm. .check that xmms is using the right output plugin ?11:00
Nermaldo you get sound in something like rhythmbox ?11:00
ruffianYes i have tired all the diff output pulgins11:00
ruffianrhythmbox won't play mp311:00
Nermalcatch-_, or just do "any guides for getting apache to authenticate with PAM?"11:00
topyliruffian: that can be cured11:01
topyliruffian: install gstreamer0.8-mad11:01
ruffiantopyli: Why wouldn't it work on xmms though? Which output plugins are you guyz using for XMMS?11:01
ruffiantopyli: I tired doing gstreamer0.8-mad, but apt-get can't seem to find it?11:02
ruffianI read something about respostitary11:02
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ruffianbut nothing is greyed out11:02
topyliruffian: it's in universe or multiverse11:02
membreyaruffian: www.ubuntuguide.org11:02
ruffianmembreya: Yes, i read taht11:03
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membreyaruffian: read the bit that says about repos :)11:03
Nermalruffian, yeah, edit /etc/apt/sources.list11:04
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Nermaluncomment the universe lines and add restricted and multiverse too11:04
ruffianok11:04
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DemisMif i have a directory and I want to put it inside another directory how do I do it11:07
membreyamv11:07
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DemisMyes i know but ofr example i have a /directory and i want to put it in /usr/local/ so that it is then /usr/local/directory11:08
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DemisMi don't just want to move the contents of /directory11:08
Nermalso don't put the end / and *11:09
Nermalie: mv /directory /usr/local/ not mv /directory/* /usr/local/11:09
membreyasudo :P11:09
Wildthinglol11:09
Nermal*slap*11:09
Wildthingoops11:09
Wildthing=P11:09
membreya*purrr*11:09
P3L|C4N0xD11:10
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DemisMis just having sudo better than having a root acct?11:11
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membreyaless chance of screwing up11:11
ruffianNermal: Thank you, it's downloading and installing it now :)11:12
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cjpangilinanwhat can you say about BEATRIX?11:12
DemisMk cool...11:12
ruffianbrb11:13
Wildthingwhat does compsiting do?11:13
topylicjpangilinan: very pretty11:13
membreyaWildthing: composting allows you to recycle your garden clippings into mulch11:13
Wildthingcompositing11:13
membreya:P11:13
Wildthingas shown on ubuntuforums11:13
cjpangilinanwhat's the difference of that in ubuntu?11:14
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topylicjpangilinan: no idea. i was just kidding because of the name. looking at the home page now though11:16
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Nermalruffian, splendid11:19
ruffianThe sound is still not working...I think i need to configure the sound card or something11:19
ruffianbut i am not sure how to do that11:19
crimsunruffian: which sound card?11:19
ruffianIt's built into the motherboard11:19
ruffianjust the onboard one11:19
Nermalruffian, thats not helpful. lspci11:20
crimsunruffian: please paste lsmod and lspci output onto http://pastebin.ca11:20
ruffianok11:20
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ruffiandone11:22
ruffianhere: http://pastebin.ca/804811:22
VladDracruffian: what kind of system do you have?11:23
ruffianAMD64, Asrock k8 motherboard11:23
ruffianmore info?11:23
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VladDracah ok, not a laptop11:24
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crimsungrr, my route to pastebin.ca is dead11:24
ruffianno, desktop11:24
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crimsunruffian: same info to http://pastebin.com, please?11:24
ruffianok11:24
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deltaex8411:25
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ruffianIs pastebin.com down?11:26
ruffianIt doesn't seem to load11:26
crimsunruffian: no worries, I'm using a shell to read pastebin.ca11:26
ruffianok :)11:26
crimsunruffian: ok, and output of amixer11:27
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ruffianok11:27
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ruffianhttp://pastebin.ca/804911:28
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ruffianthere you go11:28
crimsunruffian: are you using line-out?11:31
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ruffiancrimsun: You mean the speacker connection?11:31
crimsunright, which speaker connection?11:31
ruffianYes, it's fine. Sound is working perfect under windows11:32
crimsunruffian: but which output?11:32
crimsunruffian: spdif or analog line-out?11:32
ruffiancrimsun: i don't understand what that means? Is there anyway i can check?11:32
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DemisMis there a nice way of fixing the icons on the desktop and freezing them?11:33
crimsunruffian: are you using the digital surround output or the analog speaker output?11:33
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ruffiancrimsun: I am quite sure it's analog11:33
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crimsunDemisM: secondary-click, choose "Clean Up by Name", and select "Keep Aligned" ?11:33
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deltaexgerman channel?11:34
DemisMcrimsun, I mean to an order I give them11:34
crimsunruffian: ok.  Have you tried playing a .wav file?  aplay -Dplughw:0,0 some.wav11:34
admin0what is the diff between ubuntu and kubuntu ?  gnome vs kde ?11:34
ruffiancrimsun: I will give that ago11:34
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crimsunadmin0: ubuntu and kubuntu are two distros that use the same base, but yes, their desktops are gnome and kde, respectively.11:35
admin0:)11:35
admin0thanks crimsun11:35
crimsunnp11:36
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admin0i am using ubuntu now11:36
admin0and use it @home and office11:36
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mlambiehow can i manage my password with gnome-keyring?11:37
membreyahmm with a 200gb harddrive, how would you split it for a normal user? (i want seperate partitions for each normal directory)11:37
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johns^why/11:37
johns^?11:37
maddlermorning all11:37
ruffiancrimsun: Nope it won't play .wav files either. I have also tired System -> Preference -> Sound -> Sound Events and play11:37
topylideltaex: #ubuntu-de should be there11:38
crimsunruffian: what do you mean by "won't play"?11:38
crimsunruffian: does aplay hang?11:38
admin0membreya,  / - 8gb, /usr - 16gb /var - 4gb  swap -- 2gb  rest /home :)11:38
crimsunruffian: does it appear to play but gives no sound?11:38
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ruffiancrimsun: Sorry. I am no sound11:38
membreyata admin0 :)11:38
admin0if server, set /var to 8 or 16gb depending on what u use it for11:38
ruffianyes11:38
admin0if you don't want too much space on /home, u can divide that to /usr/local etc11:38
crimsunruffian: is this with hoary?11:38
ruffiancrimsun: It appears to play, but no sound11:38
membreyaadmin0: just a normal desktop.. I will give about 1 - 1.5gb for squid11:38
ruffiancrimsun: Yes. Ubuntu 5.0411:38
crimsunruffian: let me check something.11:39
ruffiancrimsun: sure11:39
admin0give more for squid :)11:39
membreyamore? :| really?11:39
admin0cache everything, meaning all the binaries and etc and run in offline mode.11:40
admin0gives you an ultra fast squid11:40
admin0well, make your var 16 gb then :)11:40
membreyaadmin0: or just turn logging off :P11:41
admin0so that it has squid, qmail, jabber etc etc that you might want to play with11:41
membreyaadmin0: not quite ready to play with mail servers :P11:41
admin0games ?11:41
membreyaadmin0: don't play them :)11:41
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membreyaespecially since I can only get 400-500fps in glxgears :|11:42
admin0hmm.. then don't use all the disk, and perhaps dual-boot to windows etc11:42
membreyawell I play crack-attack :P11:42
membreyaadmin0: I currently have 40gb of music vids.. I "collect" downloads :P11:42
admin0:)11:42
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crimsunruffian: I think you need a newer version of ALSA11:43
admin0root/ - 8gb, swap - 2gb ,  /usr - 16gb  /var - 8 gb  /home rest of the space11:43
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admin0on /home, make   /home/squid to host squid, and /home/vids or whatever you want for your vids11:43
crimsunruffian: cat /proc/asound/cards11:43
ruffiancrimsun: ok11:43
admin0in that way, you are not running out of space :)11:43
ruffianguest@bdzone:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards11:44
ruffian0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI701211:44
ruffian                     SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xe000, irq 1811:44
admin0i have a dual boot system, ubuntu for everything, xp for games, macromedia, phtoshop and others that i can't do on ubuntu11:44
membreyasounds good to me, thanks admin0 :)11:44
admin0tried wine+macromedia, but did not worked too good.. trying to get crossover11:44
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maccorini just upgraded to hoary, gotta give you devs credit, it's quite an improvement11:44
crimsunruffian: yup.11:44
crimsunruffian: hmm.11:44
maccorinso... ty11:44
maccorin;)11:44
ruffiancrimsun: So how do i update ALSA?11:45
admin0if you go on the server side,  add /usr/local, /tmp  and /boot ..    rest remains the same11:45
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deltaexgerman channel?11:45
admin0what are good games that I can play in ubuntu ?11:45
membreyaadmin0: crack-attack ..barrage..supertux :)11:45
crimsunruffian: hmm, first you'll have to patch alsa-source11:45
membreyaoh and frozen-bubble :)11:45
crimsunruffian: let's see...11:45
admin0url's ?11:45
membreyaadmin0: apt-get :)11:46
dvsdudeadmin0 ut2004 enemy territory armagetron quake11:46
ondarhello, i have one problem with k3b, i can't burn cdaudio, i think i tis becuase i havn't got a neccesary dep. somebody could tell me the package name?11:46
admin0no mummy-maze ;) ?11:46
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ruffiancrimsun: ok. Is there any tutorial somewhere that you know of?11:46
crimsunruffian: make sure you have universe repo enabled, then: sudo aptitude install fakeroot build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source11:46
ruffiancrimsun: ok. give me a sec11:46
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admin0hi, i got a dvd/cdrw combo here.. how do I play my dvd's ?11:47
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admin0totem ?11:47
membreyadvsdude: where can I get quake? :D11:47
membreyawait..it's open source now11:47
membreyacompile it myself :)11:47
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ruffiancrimsun: Its downloading, something things now :)11:48
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ondarsomebody could help me with k3b?11:48
dvsdudesorry not os but linux version is there gnu/linux is free as in freedom not free beer11:48
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ruffiancrimsun: Installation done. What do i do now?11:50
admin0dvsdude, i think i played fps too much .. right now, i am playing farcry and prince: sands of time , and ut2004 on windows..   for linux, are there good games that are not fps ?11:50
jsgotangcobye bye god bless11:50
crimsunruffian: I need to generate a patched tarball for you; give me about 10 minutes, please11:50
admin0casino games, board games, startegies etc ?11:50
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ruffiancrimsun: Sure. Btw are you one of ubuntu developers?11:50
crimsunruffian: in the meantime, sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source11:50
gilleshi11:50
SneldaHello.11:51
crimsunruffian: say "no" to PnP, "yes" to debug code, and choose the intel8x0 driver11:51
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dvsdudeadmin0 planeshift11:51
crimsunruffian: (no, I'm not, but I'm one of the universe maintainers)11:51
admin0hey btw, is there a way i can sync the clieNX70 pda with ubuntu ?11:52
topylicrimsun: does your business card say "master of the universe"? mine would :)11:52
membreyaadmin0: use ogle to watch DVDs :)11:52
crimsuntopyli: hehe11:52
gillesthe wifi doesn't work on an ASUS Z8GP30 with my integrated wifi card, but works with a pccard, also there a "push" button to activate the wifi on the laptop, i think it doesn't work because it's not activated by default. What can I do ?11:52
ruffiancrimsun: do i unselect all?11:52
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crimsunruffian: select only intel8x0  (_not_ intel8x0m)11:53
ruffianyes i did that11:53
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ruffianbut do i unselect all? becuase by default it's selected11:53
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crimsunruffian: yes, unselect all but intel8x011:53
SneldaHey everyone, I've never used ubuntu and am downloading now.  Does it use the same installer as debian?11:53
crimsunSnelda: it uses a modified version of the Sarge installer11:54
membreyaadmin0: looking up ogle yet? :P11:54
ruffiancrimsun: Done11:54
Sneldacrimsun: I was trying ubuntu because Debian's installer hangs on my system11:55
admin0downloadinv via syn11:55
crimsunruffian: please hold.11:55
Snelda(sorry, i didnt finish my message... wasnt done typing)11:55
ruffianSnelda: I think it's modified11:55
ruffiancrimsum: Sure11:55
admin0ok..how do I install gdesklets in ubuntu ? those nice gui's that i see displayed on screenshots on fedora and other distros11:56
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gillesHow can I activate the wifi on an Asus laptop (i just have a push button), I mean having the wifi led on ?11:56
topyliSnelda: if you're lucky, it will play nicer with your hardware than debian-installer. or maybe not11:56
SneldaIt would always hang at "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK' for about 15 or 20 minutes.  Once I get to partitioning, the same thing happens (takes about 10 minutes to get to 2 percent)11:56
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admin0btw, when is the next release of ubuntu ?11:59
admin0any place where we can suggest what features we want to see ?11:59
ruffiancrimsum: 14th April i think12:00
ruffiantypo12:00
Kamion6 April, and the time for new feature requests was a couple of months ago12:00
topyliadmin0: i believe it's frozen12:00
Kamionthere are lots of idea-pool-type pages on the wiki, though, and there's the mailing lists12:00
Sneldaanyone have any suggestions by chance...  :/   I'm using an ABIT A8N-SLI Deluxe (AMD64) and 4 good SATA drives (a 74gb raptor and a few larger drives)12:01
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black_Nightmarehey there12:05
RobenHi. Need help with XMMS. I'm using Hoary. And everytime I try to start XMMS it crashes. This is what I get up in the terminal: libmp4v2.so.0: kan inte ppna delad objektfil: Filen eller katalogen finns inte12:05
RobenInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!12:05
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RobenAnyone knows what i wrong?12:05
crimsunRoben: are you using the nvidia binary-only drivers?12:05
Robenis12:05
Robendon't know.12:06
crimsunRoben: sudo aptitude install libmikmod212:06
RobenIv'e got libmikmod212:06
crimsunRoben: it's a glibc problem and is fixed already, just awaiting upload12:06
crimsunRoben: do you have libesd0, too?12:06
Robenwait a sec.12:06
crimsunruffian: still working.12:06
Robencrimsun: yes i do.12:07
ruffiancrimsun: No problem. I really appreciate you going out of your way to help me12:07
Robencrimsun: I've got the nvidia binary too.12:07
crimsunRoben: ok, then you'll have to wait for the glibc update, which should be up later this afternoon12:08
Robenthank you very much!12:08
crimsunRoben: (assuming you use hoary)12:08
Robenyes,12:08
Robeni do.12:08
Robencrimsun: thank you so much. bye!12:09
gillesHow to detect special buttons of  keyboard (like this that activate the wifi, put on/off the volume...) ?12:09
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looksaushi, I have a problem with epiphany and printing12:10
looksausI must admit this is on a Debian system12:11
looksausbut I'm trying to avoid the rudeness in #debian12:11
looksausby coming here12:11
looksausit's quite strange12:11
looksausevery gnome app seems to be able to print12:11
looksausjust not epiphany12:11
lirazHow similar is gnopppix to ubuntu/ what someone using gnoppix be able to get support from an ubuntu user?12:11
looksausno really useful output in /var/log12:11
looksausI'm using cups with a jetdirect-enabled HP printer12:12
crimsunruffian: just to check, what is the output of: dpkg -l alsa-source|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'12:12
ruffiancrimsun: give me a sec12:13
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looksausany suggestions on where to check?12:13
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inetizenhow do i share files between ubuntu and xp pro on a network12:13
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ruffiancrimsun: guest@bdzone:~$ dpkg -l alsa-source|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'12:14
ruffian1.0.8-4ubuntu312:14
inetizeni dont see samba12:14
crimsunruffian: ok.12:14
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psh1hi guys, I've copied a load of mp3's that I'd backed up on cd's. but on my laptop, they're unreadable/playable12:18
psh1how can I change the permissions properly?12:18
crimsunruffian: ok, I'm test-building.  Sec.12:18
ruffiancrimsun: ok :)12:19
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DragoraNhi12:22
dcfhi12:22
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DragoraNplease.. i want to compile reiser4 support into kernel, but in menuconfig i dont see reiser4 support in filesystems (2.6.11.5 kernel)12:23
Kamionreiser4 is still a third-party patch12:24
crimsunruffian: ok, it's a fairly invasive change, and it doesn't apply cleanly to alsa-source12:24
crimsunruffian: so it's going to take a bit more work12:24
gillesWhy Hotkeys isn't integrated by default to ubuntu ?12:24
ruffiancrimsun: I am up for it12:24
crimsunruffian: uname -r12:24
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ruffiancrimsun: 2.6.10-5-38612:25
DragoraNKamion: where can i find it?12:25
crimsunruffian: unfortunately the changes are in cvs, which means they'll make it in for upstream 1.0.9, but I don't know if they'll make it into universe in time for Hoary's release.12:26
KamionDragoraN: no idea, if you really need reiser4 I figure you should know :)12:26
DragoraNKamion: :)12:27
ruffiancrimsun: Ok. Honestly i can live without sound for few days. But in the future would i have to go through all this again?12:27
psh1nobody know how to change the permissions? I change them, then play a song, but then the song wont play again12:27
ruffiancrimsun: To make sound work that is12:27
crimsunruffian: I hope not, but then again, we haven't tested if the fix works for you.12:27
crimsunruffian: one sec.12:28
ruffiancrimsun: Sure12:28
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fridgeanyone know the package that provides, eg man 3 printf?12:36
crimsunfridge: sudo apt-get install manpages-dev12:37
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fridgethanks champ12:37
crimsunnp12:37
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crimsunruffian: ok, test-building a less invasive solution :)12:38
ruffiancrimsun: Whatever that means :)12:38
ruffiancrimsun: Thank you12:38
woodywartyCan someone help to figure out Qmail to make it a Virtual Mail Server for my System internal users12:38
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raskhow does this work12:41
crimsunrask: how do you mean?12:41
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raskeverything :-) mostly the rules for what can be said here, and what is this , i am obviously a newbie both to linux and this...12:42
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HappyPillsDoes Ubuntu have a keyboard shortcut set up to switch desktops by default?12:44
crimsunyou can configure one, or roll your mouse wheel over the pager12:45
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HappyPillsctrl-alt-right12:46
HappyPillscoolies12:46
raskis there anybody who can help me getting my usb-harddrive to work?12:46
crimsunrask: this is a general support channel, so basically the only rule is to respect the Code of Conduct (CoC).12:48
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crimsunrask: I presume you've plugged in your HD and powered it on?12:48
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raskof course...12:49
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crimsunrask: has a disk drive icon appeared on your desktop?12:49
rasknope, but the device manager finds a store device12:49
raskstorage...12:50
crimsunrask: is this a brand-new usb HD?12:50
crimsunrask: or does it already have information on it?12:50
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raskits new, but not clean, a ntfs partition, and I find it when I boot from the liveCD12:51
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markybobi cant log into ubuntolinux.org.  anyone else having that problem right now?12:51
Myrttiubuntulinux.org?12:51
St0n3-C0lmarkybob: NOpes12:52
Myrttiworks fine with me12:52
deFrysko=u12:52
crimsunrask: ok, open a Terminal12:52
markybobyes, mistyped.12:52
raskyes12:52
markybobhad a few jack and cokes.  bare with me :)12:52
crimsunmarkybob: maintenance work was being done on it earlier, no idea if it's ongoing.12:52
markybobcrimsun, i see.  thanks for the heads up12:52
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lupusBEdoes openldap use a lot of memory?12:53
St0n3-C0lIs Hoary works Stably ?12:53
crimsunrask: ok, now you need to make a mountpoint12:53
crimsunrask: something like /media/windows12:53
St0n3-C0lDoes*12:53
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, officially no12:53
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raskwhat is a mountpoint? and what commands?12:54
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, for me yes12:54
St0n3-C0lI am asking for people's experiences :P12:54
SirinusHmm..can anyone point me towards a how-to/tutorial on authenticating ubuntu logins against a macosx 10.3 LDAP server?12:54
gholenHI! I about to install ubuntu warty 4.10 on a acer laptop, but how do i load the module thats finds an configs my infrared device?12:54
ruffianrask: it's basicly making a directory12:54
raskthanks12:54
crimsunrask: sudo mkdir /media/windows12:54
ruffianrask: try mkdir /media/windows12:54
RobenStOn3-COl: No. I don't think it is as stable as Warty.12:54
raskdone that12:55
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crimsunrask: now, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /media/windows12:56
St0n3-C0lCan Warty Users get their gnome updated from Ubuntu repos ?12:57
crimsunSt0n3-C0l: when they dist-upgrade to Hoary, absolutely.12:57
raskthat worked!12:57
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, udated as in upgraded ?12:57
raskthanks a bunch...12:57
crimsunrask: np12:57
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St0n3-C0ldeFrysk: Only gnome :P12:58
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, yould be safer to do a dist-upgrade then I think12:59
St0n3-C0lI heard we can use Debian repos in Ubuntu12:59
St0n3-C0lis that true ?12:59
St0n3-C0lit will work or not ?12:59
SeveasSt0n3-C0l, of course you CAN, but whether you SHOULD do that.....01:00
Seveasmost debain stuff is in ubuntu repos too01:00
crimsunSt0n3-C0l: generally speaking, it's a bad idea to mix in external repos01:00
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, you can but its not supported , better to use universe and multiverse01:00
St0n3-C0lhmm01:01
SeveasSt0n3-C0l, are you looking for a specific app?01:01
St0n3-C0lnah01:02
St0n3-C0lthinking to download Hoary :P01:02
St0n3-C0lI was using Debian Sarge till now01:02
Seveasyou should, works like a charm :)01:02
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gholenIs there support for IrDa (e.g LIRC)  in ubuntu?01:03
kenthow long have the gnome 2.x releases been around?  Its been here for a long time now, right?01:03
St0n3-C0lI used Warty and saw there was very old softs in their repos01:03
St0n3-C0lthats why I left using it01:03
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deFryskSt0n3-C0l, install it and let us know what you think :)01:03
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, and if you are an kde addict get kubuntu01:03
Seveasgholen, there is support for irda: apt-get install irda-utils01:03
Seveasmodprobe irda will help too :)01:04
St0n3-C0lI will give you fair comments about Ubuntu leaving their repos :P01:04
St0n3-C0lnah :P01:04
St0n3-C0lGnome01:04
St0n3-C0l:>01:04
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, my man :D01:04
Seveasgnome >> kde01:04
St0n3-C0lkde >> gnome01:04
St0n3-C0l:P01:04
Seveas(i.e.: gnome is strictly better than kde)01:04
St0n3-C0lohh01:05
njangnome > * >> kde01:05
St0n3-C0l:P01:05
Seveasimnsho01:05
Seveaslol njan :)01:05
njan:)01:05
St0n3-C0lI thought u're saying that I was using gnome then i moved to kde01:05
St0n3-C0l:P01:05
Seveassometimes fluxbox >> gnome01:05
Seveas(on the universities crappy old sparcs)01:05
deFryskcandystore kde01:05
deFryskbad for your teeth01:05
mjrSeveas, crappy old sparcs make decent X terminals ;P01:06
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St0n3-C0ldeFrysk: There's no firefox for Ubuntu ?01:06
Seveasmjr, definitely :)01:06
deFryskSt0n3-C0l, ubuntu uses firefox by def. in ubuntu01:06
SeveasSt0n3-C0l, firefox is the default browser for Ubuntu01:06
Seveashey01:06
Echylohmm01:06
Seveasthat's my line :p01:06
deFryskits part of the gnome2.10 package01:06
Echylois grumpy gonna be a sort of media centre or not?01:06
St0n3-C0llol01:06
Echylocause when i read objectives it doesn't looks like01:06
SeveasEchylo, grumpy is gonna be the codename for a rolling unstable (that's what i heard at least)01:07
deFryskSeveas, he asked ME danget ;p01:07
Seveasthe next ubuntu will be Breezy Badger01:07
mjrBadger Badger Badger01:07
EchyloI see01:07
Seveasmushroom mushroom!01:07
mjrthe one after that simply must be Slithery Snake01:07
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Seveaslol01:07
deFryskfarty skunk would be a nice rel.01:08
Seveasstinku skunk01:08
Seveasstinky*01:08
mjrhmm01:09
Seveasyay!, ./configure && make finally succeeded, /me is gone :)01:09
mjr"Try the all new stinky release of Ubuntu", yes, that works01:09
membreyahmmm im really liking kubuntu :)01:09
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deFryskmembreya, /j #kubuntu ;p01:10
membreyalol :P01:10
moshiiwhere can I find kompmgr?01:10
membreyanot as many people :P01:10
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deFryskmembreya, wonder why ;p01:10
membreyashush :P01:10
deFrysk:x01:10
membreyaonly problem with it ..even running 1152x864 everything is cluttered :)01:10
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mjrwell, that's kde for you ;)01:11
deFryskcluttered bloat01:11
mjr(sorry, I'll go away now :)01:11
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suokohi there01:11
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membreyadeFrysk: pretty bloat :)01:11
deFryskmembreya, yes01:12
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deFryskmembreya, till you'v had enough01:12
moshiipeople that bitch kde are generally idiots01:12
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D-G0_o01:12
deFryskmoshii, yes , but smart idiots01:12
D-Ghi all01:12
membreyamoshii: I ain't bitchin it :P01:12
suokoI have a question about services: I tryed disabling evms through sysvconf deselecting it but at boot it loads anyway.01:12
agenteohi, inserting this new USB key nothing happens... the older one was correctly auto-mounted... this one is not even showed in syslog and messages logs... someone has a suggestion?01:13
catch-_.whois D-G01:13
catch-_erk01:13
agenteoubuntu warty standard kernel01:13
mjrdeFrysk, or smartasses01:13
moshiideFrysk: how so? the reasons they give are mostly "it's bloated", um what about X, um every other desktop, ah shit agrument falls down there01:13
woodywartyWell I have installed Qmail, what is the first step to start it using the IP 192.168.1.10001:13
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deFryskcould someone make an #ubuntu-flame channel to get rid of some energy/steam ?01:13
D-Gcatch  ?:)01:14
ruffiancrimsun is a legend everyone :D01:14
SeveasdeFrysk, just join the channel01:14
crimsunpshah01:14
ruffianbye01:14
St0n3-C0l.es belongs to ?01:14
crimsuncya01:14
catch-_sorry thought you might be someone i knew so did a whois on you01:14
Seveasspain?01:14
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D-Gi need help... im newbie in linux :) so.. how to know what version i have /01:14
membreyameep01:14
deFryskuname -r01:14
St0n3-C0luname -a01:14
moshiiD-G: uname -r01:15
membreyathat's a BAD button01:15
crimsunD-G: cat /etc/issue01:15
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D-Gtnx01:15
St0n3-C0lcat /etc/issue01:15
St0n3-C0l:P01:15
deFryskand what crimsun said of course01:15
St0n3-C0lI'll make my issue :P01:15
D-G2.6.10-4-386.... where can i get c compiler for this version ? :)01:15
deFryskcat your issue here please01:15
moshiidoes anyone know if kompmgr is packaged for ubuntu? seems a bit of a waste of time hacking ubuntu's xorg onto my sid without it ;)01:16
suokoI'm trying to disable evms cause it randomly hangs at boot time...01:16
membreyamoshii: kompmgr is in kubuntu01:17
suokoit's probably a bug.01:17
St0n3-C0lkubuntu is also of Ubuntu ?01:17
moshiimembreya: is kubuntu similar enough to debian that it isn't going to screw stuff up?01:17
deFryskcannonical01:17
deFrysk-n01:18
membreyamoshii: it's ubuntu with KDE as its WM01:18
deFryskkubuntu is to attract the mepis/mandrake users01:19
moshiimembreya: ah, I just want the package.. It doesn't seem to be part of the semi-offical debian kde 3.4 packages or ubuntu's01:19
D-Gi wrote sudo apt-get install gftp01:19
D-Gbut there is writin that there is no packages =[01:19
catch-_D-G check the package exists, aptitude search gftp01:20
membreyaD-G: www.ubuntuguide.org check that you have all repositories enabled01:20
D-Gim there01:20
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D-Gan im tryin thoose commands01:20
D-Gbecuz i installed just now ubuntu01:20
D-G:)01:20
D-Gand im noob in linux =[01:21
deFryskD-G, good for you :)01:21
D-G:)01:21
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moshiimembreya: that kubuntu-desktop package doesn't half depend on a lot of shit ;)01:21
catch-_D-G look in package.. It doesn't seem to be part of01:21
Burgundaviamoshii: then tell the kubuntu people about it01:21
catch-_erk01:21
D-Gwhere can i look ?01:22
catch-_look in ..01:22
catch-_ /etc/apt/sources.list01:22
D-Gok01:22
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suokocan anybody help me?01:24
suokobetter say, explain me...01:24
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scizzosuoko: could you tell us what your problem is maybe?01:25
gholensuoko: the problem is?01:25
deFrysksuoko, 392 are logged in so who knows ?01:25
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suoko I'm trying to disable evms cause it randomly hangs at boot time...01:26
suokoI have a question about services: I tryed disabling evms through sysvconf deselecting it but at boot it loads anyway.01:26
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gholensouko: you shold take a look in the ubuntu giude. http://www.ubuntuguide.org01:26
markybobsuoko, update-rc.d -f evms remove ...heh01:27
suokoI also tried rcconf but there evms doen't appear01:27
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D-Gcatch-_,01:28
markybobsuoko, so do what i suggested.  man i'm drunk.01:28
D-Gis there anybody who has dc++ on linux ? :)001:28
suokomarkybob: I'm going to try right now...01:28
puppetgah01:29
RobenD-G: Not at the moment but I did before. Though I never got it to work right ;)01:29
puppetwhy doesnt GnomeMeeting work :(01:29
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D-G:)01:29
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D-Gi need some sharing program01:29
D-G:>01:29
suokowhat about the way I tyed disabling it with sysvconf, was that worng?01:29
markybobsuoko, debian and debian derivatives use update-rc.d...that's just life.01:30
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deFryskD-G, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/x11/amule01:31
D-GL(01:31
D-Gok01:31
deFryskD-G, iow apt-get install amule if you have universe enabled01:31
suokothanks a lot.01:31
D-Gi gto this hoary new01:32
D-G:)01:32
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Burkhello there01:32
D-Gsorry for my grammar im from latvia01:32
D-G:)01:32
markybobwhere's latvia?01:32
deFryskwelkome to the E.U.01:32
Burkguys, what would you advise as development tool? anjuta or eclipse?01:32
fridgevi01:32
fridgeand make01:32
D-Glatvia is near the baltic sea01:32
Burklol01:32
gholenD-G: I from sweden, an my grammar s**ks01:32
D-G:))01:32
D-Ggholen cool01:33
D-G:)01:33
AmaranthBurk: I do all my stuff in gedit and gazpacho. :)01:33
Burkgazpacho...what's it?01:33
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markybobi'm a sailor...traveled the world and never heard of latvia.  that's neat.01:33
RobenD_G Why don't u just get Azureus?01:33
gholenD-G: you are not alone in that matter01:33
D-Groben what is that ?01:33
deFryskRoben, azureus is a chore for newbs01:33
D-Gim noob 0-o01:33
RobenD-G A bittorrent client. Do you got java installed?01:33
gholenD-G: you think I cool?! :D01:34
SeveasdeFrysk, your from Frisland, the most retarded part of holland (me now runs and hides :))01:34
D-Groben i thing so01:34
RobenDG: ok.01:34
Burkmmm...I'd like a serious ide, with templates and all the other cool features..01:34
deFryskSeveas, you #$@& ;p01:34
RobenD-G: you could read about how bittorent works in http://www.slyck.org01:34
Burklooks like choice is between eclipse and anjuta, the first being more complicated, the second still alpha01:34
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D-Gtnx01:35
RobenD-G: Do you got Hoary?01:35
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deFryskRoben, for the usual filesharing for nood on ubuntu amule is easyer01:35
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deFrysknood = noob01:35
deFryskalhough I have no clue how to run amule (never used it)01:36
RobendeFrysk: I've never ever used amule. I mean, Azureus isn't so hard.01:36
D-Groben yep01:36
deFryskRoben, ok01:36
Burkuh..found several threads on ubuntu linux forums..I'll take a look there ;)01:36
membreyahey guys...figured out what's been crashing my PC :)01:37
RobenD-G: ok. I think there is a guide in http.//ubuntuguide.org on how to install azureus. It's easierif you read from there, because i don't remember everything.01:37
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RobenD-G: then you just could go to any bittorrent site on the net, ex: http://piratebay.org or http:www.mininova.org01:38
Robenand start your'e downloading.01:39
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deFryskRoben, no spamming illegal sites here01:39
HappyPillshmm... is there anyway to make openoffice generate smaller pdf files?01:39
HappyPillsa one page file should not be 220 kb01:39
membreyaHappyPills: you DO know that a PDF is essentially an image?01:40
RobenD-G: but I think there is a bittorrent program installed by default in Hoary. It's lying in the meny under Internet>>gnome bittorrent.01:40
RobendeFrysk: How could they possible be illegal?01:40
HappyPillsyes, but I have used other programs that makes it a much lower quality image, but still ideal for printing01:40
HappyPillssay, 20-30kb instead of 200-30001:41
markybobmembreya, i'd like to see you searching through an image.01:41
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HappyPillspdf files can be made to do a lot of things =P01:41
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HappyPillsyes, that is what I am guessing at01:42
mjr(might be circumventable by using some font that pdf readers are assumed to have, but *shrug*)01:43
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markybobfonts have nothing to do with pdf01:43
calcadobe acrobat itself has many options for writing pdfs including putting the fonts in the pdf itself01:43
mjrmarkybob, as a matter of fact, they do01:43
calcperhaps oo.o has some way to configure that as well01:43
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HappyPillsI'm saving it as a .doc for now (14kb) until I find the shrinkage button in OO01:44
membreyadoes ubuntu have nvidia-glx for 2.6.10-1 yet?01:44
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tomi12619re01:46
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markybobmembreya, just make sure you do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx01:46
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tomi12619which kind of boot tool has got the ubuntu?01:47
membreyatomi12619: grub01:47
tomi12619lilo or grub or both?01:47
tomi12619just the grub?01:47
membreyaoooo, 2.6.10-5 is there :)01:47
deFryskgrub by default01:47
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markybobtomi12619, you can apt-get install lilo if you seriously want to.  dont know why you would.01:47
HappyPillshmm... the help for OO mentions that it can export as a small file size for viewing/printing... however OO itself seems to be missing the option =(01:48
tomi12619i see01:48
tomi12619markybob: i have az interesting prob.01:48
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markybobtomi12619, i believe you.  we all do.  i need to get laid, for instance.01:48
tomi12619i ve a 300mhz intel celeron computer with 6G winchester01:48
tomi12619i installed an uhu (hungarian) linux, a debian-sarge01:49
tomi12619and the same problem occure...01:49
tomi12619'error 18'01:49
markybobtomi12619, not familiar with that setup. sorry01:49
deFrysk18 is usually an architecture problem.01:51
deFryskTry changing the Disk to "LBA" and see what happens.01:51
deFryskcut and pasted from http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=1&threadid=30345101:52
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tomi12619LBA? what is it?01:52
deFryska bios setting01:53
deFryskfor hdrives01:53
deFryskread the link, perhaps it helps01:53
Burkcu guys01:53
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deFrysktomi12619,, also ask in #grub , perhaps they know what to do01:54
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benjanetwill beagle be included in hoary ?02:02
Funraiserfound something interesting: to found torrents type all the following in google: nameofthefileyoulookfor type:torrent02:03
markybobbenjanet, i'd bet not.02:03
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HappyPillsto restart samba do I just type smbd again?02:04
benjanetmarkybob, thanks :p02:04
markybobHappyPills, /etc/init.d/samba restart02:04
HappyPillsthanks02:04
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HappyPillsthat makes more sense02:04
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Tomcat__Can Ubuntu use a DLink USB WLAN stick?02:05
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tom_neos/Ubuntu/linux/02:06
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tom_neoTomcat_: that's in no way a ubuntu-question02:06
Seveasbenjanet, no, they are trying that for Breezy (the next version)02:06
markybobTomcat_, the easy answer is yes.02:06
HappyPillsbladdy hell. I have no idea if it worked because the windows computer is farked!02:07
markybobTomcat_, http://julian.coccia.com/article-53.html  ...try googling next time.02:07
SeveasTomcat_, the difficult answer is: if it is going to work, you need ndiswrapper02:07
Tomcat__tom_neo: Well the question is more or less if it's easy in Ubuntu... like a package or auto-detection or something... :)02:07
HappyPillstried adding printer sharing via samba but the windows computer times out when detecting networks, even it's own =(02:07
markybobSeveas, nah.  it uses prism02:07
keffohm, what FTP-client do you guys use?02:07
markybobTomcat_, it's a prism chipset.  so probably.02:08
Seveasmarkybob, ok, than it's easy if the usb things go right :)02:08
tom_neoTomcat_: no idea ^^02:08
tom_neogftp02:08
deFryskgftp and nautilus02:08
markybobTomcat_, it should.  prism is supported natively by the kernel.  so you shouldnt have a problem02:08
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Tomcat__markybob: That's it... good. I'll try. :)02:09
markybobyay.  i get a silver star!02:10
benjanetSeveas, thanks02:11
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libpngbuv02:15
libpngamy-Lee faLLen02:15
libpnglol02:15
DragoraNi have one serious problem.. i just now compiled new kernel (2.6.11.5) and in grubs menu.lst it needs some initrd.img with newest version.. how to make it?02:15
libpngeheh02:15
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markybobDragoraN, i have no idea what you just aid.02:16
markybobDragoraN, how did you compile the kernel?02:16
markybobs/aid/said02:16
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DragoraNmarkybob: make all; make modules_install; make install02:16
DragoraNmarkybob: in grubs menu.lst i need initrd file..02:17
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markybobDragoraN, to compile a kernel the ubuntu way, with initrd, this is what you do:  make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image02:17
markybobDragoraN, that'll create the kernel package02:17
markybobthen dpkg -i the file02:17
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DragoraNmarkybob: wtf :) ok.. thx02:17
markybobDragoraN, that'll install it and edit grub for you02:17
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DragoraNmarkybob: cool :) thx.. and kernel_image is vmlinuz or what?02:17
markybobDragoraN, you need to download kernel-package for that to work02:17
jk24Hi02:17
jk24is there packages of mono 1.1.4 for hoary ?02:18
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markybobjk24, 1.0.502:18
markybobjk24, in universe, if i'm not mistaken.02:18
jk24markybob: that's right, but the "unstable" versions ?02:18
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markybobjk24, no 1.1.402:19
HappyPillshmm... theoretically, if I configured samba correctly than browsing my computer on the network should allow me to at least see the printer right?02:19
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jk24markybob: thanks02:19
maddlerhello again....02:20
maddler:)02:20
HappyPillsah. I got split02:20
jsgotangcohello hello02:20
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HappyPills*hammer02:20
maddlerdoes anyone has any clue on how to have evolution locally caching messages from an imap account?02:20
maddlerI mean... I want the messages available even if I am offline...02:21
DragoraNmarkybob: what is parameter kernel_image ?02:21
markybobDragonFly, man make-kpkg ...builds bzimage and modules in a nice package for dpkg to install02:22
DragoraNmarkybob: i see, ok, thxxx many02:22
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markybobDragoraN, and it takes care of all that pesky grub config editing when you use dpkg.  it's a win win.02:23
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DragoraNmarkybob:  :)02:24
DragoraNmarkybob: so it will create a debian package for me with my compiled kernel..02:24
SavHow do i change color depth ? Trying to load simcity 200 with wine but it wount run in 32bit mode02:24
Sav =)02:24
markybobDragoraN, kernel and modules.  then just dpkg -i02:24
DragoraNmarkybob: cool02:25
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markybobi need a job.  someone hiring? ;)02:26
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DragoraNmarkybob: teach me, 2 bucks / hour02:27
DragoraNmarkybob: :)02:27
markybobDragoraN, i would, but i'm a law-abiting citizen and that's under minimum wage...thus illegal ;)02:27
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jsgotangcolol02:28
DragoraNmarkybob: how old r u?02:28
markybobDragoraN, 2202:28
markybobfresh out of the navy.02:28
DragoraNmarkybob: oh..02:30
markybobDragoraN, ?02:30
SavHow do i change color depth ? Trying to load simcity 200 with wine but it wount run in 32bit mode02:34
markybobsav dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:34
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markybobin hoary, anyway.  warty is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:35
markybobor you could also do nano -w /etc/X11/XF86config-4 in warty02:35
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dcfhas anybody experience in running ubuntu warty on an iMac G3?02:36
no0ticchanging scaling governor to performance and then back to userspace breaks powernowd that has to be restarted02:36
no0ticis this bug known?02:37
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markybobno0tic, who knwos...check https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/02:38
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BSD_Hello. I have a question: Can a commercial product use a BSD licensed library without mentioning the library's copyright holders in the product?02:46
markybobhell no02:46
BSD_we can metion it in the dll ant that's about it02:47
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vpalleanyone here knows how to search the command history in gnome-terminal?02:48
markybobvpalle, use the up/down arrows02:48
Kamionctrl-r02:48
comforteagleAre there any problems with perl on Warty?  using CPAN to install basic modules is pooching out.02:48
mjrvpalle, it's not a gnome-terminal question, it's a shell question, and yes, ctrl-r02:48
vpallethx all02:48
markybobcomforteagle, which module?02:49
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comforteagleBundle::CPAN!02:49
trigx300hey im trying to get my sound card to work any advice (i had sound with mandrake)02:50
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bob2I really wouldn't use CPAN like that.02:50
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bob2there's dh-make-perl to make .debs from CPAN modules.02:51
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markybobtrigx300, wanna give more specifics?  is the user in audio group, for example?  do you have /dev/dsp?02:51
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trigx300what doe that mean? - sorry im new to linux02:52
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trigx300does*02:52
markybobtrigx300, can you cat /dev/dsp?02:53
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mayangCan debian deb packages be used for ubuntu as on line install ?02:54
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bob2if you mean "Can you use Debian apt mirrors with Ubuntu?", then yes, but don't do it02:54
markybob:) heh02:54
mayangyes02:54
bob2if you mean "Can Ubuntu use remote mirrors over http like Debian?", then yes, it has it's own mirros and apt02:54
tritiummayang, most packages available for debian are also available for ubuntu.02:55
mayangyes ubuntu has quite few mirros and very slow02:56
jsgotangcogrowing pains :D02:56
bob2I've never had a problem saturating my dsl02:57
mayangtrutium,I think so,but the question is how to make the source.list.02:57
tritiummayang, I can help you with that if you like02:58
mayangyes,please.02:58
tritiummayang, are you using Warty or Hoary?02:58
mayangHoary5.0402:59
tritiumokay02:59
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tritiummayang, this is a good starting point: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/02:59
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Kamionmaybe we should have renumbered the preview so that people didn't call it 5.04 before it's even April yet ... :)03:00
tritiummayang, you may want to uncomment the lines with universe and multiverse to get access to the largest set of available software for ubuntu03:00
mayangIs there any intruduction about how to use debian deb alike ?03:01
tritiummayang, the packaging format?03:01
tritiummayang, if you're looking for documentation on how to use apt, you can install the apt-howto package03:02
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mayangyou mean delete # lines with universe and multivers?03:03
tritiummayang, not the whole line.  Just remove the "#"03:03
Burgundaviamayang: no, remove the 303:03
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mayang#only ?03:04
tritiumyes03:04
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mayangthanks03:04
tritiummayang, so the first character on the line is "d" (part of the word deb)03:04
mayangsure03:04
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tritiummayang, you'll need to do an update after you finish editing that file03:05
mgcrosshello all03:06
tritiumHi mgcross03:06
mayangtritium,what do u do with ubuntu (x applaction or servers)?03:06
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markybobheh03:06
tritiummayang, are you asking what I do personally, or what can one do in general?03:06
mgcrossdoes the kernel image 2.6.5.10.5amdk8 have the restriceted modules needed for nvidia yet?03:07
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mgcrossor should I wait to update?03:07
tritiummayang, the short answer is scientific computing, as well as everyday desktop usage03:07
mayanggeneray03:07
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mgcrosstritium, thanks for the help yesterday....twinview is on and working fine for tv-out :-)03:08
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tritiummgcross, Oh, you're welcome :)03:08
tritiumI'm glad it's working for you.03:08
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mgcrosstritium...me to...wife was sharpening knives03:09
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mgcrosser too03:09
tritiumheh ;)03:09
jsgotangcobye bye03:09
mayangI like linux because it can do things like win03:09
jsgotangcomayang: and more!03:09
tritiummayang, the sky's the limit :)03:10
markybobmayang, wow.  that's a really messed up reason to like linux03:10
deFrysk windows saves me money (on hydro bill)03:10
mayangreally03:10
mgcrosstritium, if I isnstall the current kernel updates, will I break nvidia-glx?03:10
jsgotangcomayang: you can really do a lot with it compared with windows03:10
tritiummgcross, you're on k8?03:11
mgcrossdon't see and restricted modules....03:11
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mgcrossyes03:11
mayangI use win learn less than linux,that is reason.03:11
jsgotangcomayang: its ok we always start at nothing03:11
kensaidoes kubuntu has a channel?03:11
mgcrosstritium, yes03:11
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tritiummgcross, I don't see a l-r-m for k8...03:11
Myrttik703:11
markybobkensai, seriously...why not just try #kubuntu before asking?03:11
mgcrosstritium, thanks, that's what I thought....03:11
jsgotangcoheh03:12
mayangright03:12
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markybobdamnit.03:13
tritiummgcross, but then again, I don't see any linux-images for k8 either...03:13
Myrttik703:13
sianishi all03:13
kensaimarkybob, lol because I'm a little bit lazy since I just woke up03:13
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membreyais there any reason for me to keep the mesagl drivers?03:13
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sianishow can i setup my ftp server, so it load automatic when ubuntu is booting?03:13
tritiummgcross, amd64?03:13
markybobkensai, great, thanks.  i'd love to do your work for your lazy ass03:13
zookogreetings, people of #ubuntu!03:13
mayangtritium,but learn is unlimit03:14
sianisi thing i have ftpd03:14
zookoDoes bug #300842 -- libc6: upgrade fails in i386 chroot on amd64 system mean that I cannot safely upgrade libc on my hoary amd64 system at this time?03:14
mgcrosstrituim, yes, they are there....perhaps only avail on universe...03:14
tritiummayang, yep03:14
mgcrosstritium, update manager brought them up03:14
tritiummgcross, good03:14
kensaimarkybob>03:14
kensaimarkybob> was I asking you to do it for me please03:15
kensai?03:15
markybobkensai does kubuntu has a channel?03:15
markyboblet's think about that for a minute03:15
tritiummgcross, I'm on i686, so I don't see them03:16
kensaimarkybob, remember we are not in #debian so we shouldn't be rude here LOL we at #debian won the most disapointment of 2004 award for treating bad people. Thanks for checking out ;)03:17
tritiummayang, were you able to find the software you're looking for after adding universe and multiverse?03:17
zookoDoes anyone know how to open an URL in a firefox with -remote and *not* bring the firefox window to the front?03:17
zookogaleon offers a "--noraise" cmdline switch, but firefox doesn't.03:17
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mayangyes03:17
markybobkensai, yeah, and aint it a bitch that i actually used to be a debian maintainer?03:17
mgcrosstritium, oic..lol...again, thanks for the help...great community...03:17
tritiummgcross, :)03:18
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kensaimarkybob, thats good mantaining debian is a pain it surely is. Binary distros are not easy to work with03:18
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mayangI am doing apt now from us morrios03:19
tritiumnot as slow?03:19
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mayangtritium,there are kubuntu-desktop kdm etc03:20
tritiummayang, yes.  Is that what you were looking for?03:21
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mayangyes,but I rather like linked with debian apt source either.03:22
tritiummayang, if you're interested in kubuntu, have you seen this: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/index.php ?03:22
sianiscan some1 help with the ftp servr config?03:22
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mayangno, a friend told me kubuntu deb03:24
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tritiummako, how's the laptop after the water incident?03:26
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mayangtritium,thanks you show me the way.http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/index.php.03:33
tritiummayang, of course :)03:33
membreyais there any reason for me to keep the mesagl drivers?03:33
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mayangif I install base-system like debian,can I install kde without gnome ?03:35
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bob2mayang: yeah03:36
tritiummayang, it's possible, but not really recommended, to install ubuntu over a debian base installation03:36
bob2see also, kubuntu03:36
Kamiona Kubuntu install is an Ubuntu base system plus KDE03:37
mayangmaybe03:37
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mayangthe qestion is I install hoary5.0.4 with "smart way",no chioce for kde or gnome ?03:39
zookoWell, upgrading seemed to work.03:40
meworkHi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load03:40
tritiummayang, you could install kubuntu if you prefer KDE03:41
mayangwhat the real meaning of wiki ?03:41
mayangyes03:42
tritiummayang, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki03:42
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andrilhello all03:44
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andrilcan someone help me play my MP3's?03:45
mayangtritium:can u tell me in short?03:45
tritiumandril, with which player?03:45
andrilxxms03:45
Kamionmayang: google for 'wiki'; the definition is visible in the search results03:45
andrilI can't get Real installed03:45
andrilBTW I am running Hoary03:45
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bob2andril: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:46
tritiumI haven't used xmms in some time.  I'm probably not the best to help you, andril.  Sorry.03:46
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IamJacksUsernameWhat's the difference between array-7 and preview?03:46
bob2I really wouldn't bother using RealPlayer for anything other than realmedia files03:46
tritiumbob2, several complaints lately about xmms and mp3, have you noticed?03:46
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mayangtritium,let me see03:47
andrilyeah it freezes up03:47
KamionIamJacksUsername: Array 7 is newer; I documented the main differences in the announcement03:47
amichaican someone tell me if there is a single click funtion in gnome for desktop icons? plz03:47
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tritiumamichai, there's a nautilus setting for that03:47
membreyayes amichai03:47
bob2tritium: hm, no, but I haven't been paying attention much today03:47
andrilI also noticed the Industrial theme disappeared (GTK,Metacity & Icons)03:47
membreyamy gl vendor currently says mesa gl .. would that explain my poor performance ?03:48
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IamJacksUsernameThanks Kamion.03:48
bob2most problems with mp3 seem to be people not reading the GAQ03:48
tritiumbob2, not so much today, but in the past week or so03:48
tritiumandril, you have read the info on restricted formats, yes?03:48
meworkHi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load03:48
andrilMP3 is now restricted?03:48
mayangtritium,I have to exit for kde installation restart now.03:48
andrilis there a link?03:48
Symbiotei have this error: Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions are too restrictive. | i understand that it has something to do with PAM system changing permissions for NVIDIA. where can i set it so it doenst change the permissions?03:48
Kamionandril: er, mp3's always been restricted03:49
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andrilit worked with Warty03:49
kangathe protocol always has been03:49
tritiumamichai, in a nautilus window: Edit -> Preferences -> Behavior -> Single click to activate items03:49
Kamionandril: oh, yeah, by accident03:49
sh0rhi there03:49
vivekhi people... can u tell me how do make entries in ap--sourses?03:49
membreyaso ...noone knows about mesagl ?03:49
sh0rwhat do i need to install if i want to play .mpc files?03:49
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maswanis it possible to make the network monitor thingie stop blinking all the time?03:49
andrilso - is there a way to convert my (massisve) library?03:49
geppy_schoolDoes Ubuntu use udev?03:49
Kamiongeppy_school: yes03:49
maswan(hoary gnome panel thingie)03:50
tritiumandril, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/RestrictedFormats/03:50
geppy_schoolKamion:  Thanks!03:50
viveki mean i do apt-get install gaim-vv and it sez Couldnt find package03:50
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jazzkahi!03:50
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tritiumvivek, it hasn't been packaged03:50
andriltritium: cool and thanks03:50
geppy_schoolWhy deos Ubuntu come without DMA enabled on drives?  Is it a backwards-compatability thing?03:50
membreyavivek: good luck compiling it :)03:50
tritiumandril, np03:50
vivekno, i just installed it some time bCK in progeny...03:50
amichaitritium: found it. That will work for all?03:50
amichaistupid q03:51
amichaithanx03:51
tritiumamichai, np03:51
jazzkaI've got a bash script on my desktop, every time I double click it, a window appears asking me if I want to execute it with a terminal, show it ...03:51
Kamiongeppy_school: it's turned off on CDs because it broke installations too often03:51
geppy_schoolKamion: Just out of curiosity, how would DMA cause breakage?03:51
jazzkais there any way to make that decision stable? so it doesnt ask me every time?03:51
andrilKamion: thnk you again - you helped me alot03:51
vivekhow do i stop OS from showng up mautilus evertime i boot a partition??03:51
andrilI got alot to learn guys03:52
sh0rwhicht protocol do i have to put in my pointer section to get the mousewheel of my IntelliMouseExplorer to work?03:52
Kamiongeppy_school: usually the reports indicate silent data corruption while reading from the CD-ROM03:52
geppy_schoolvivek:  In the "Removable Media" GUI, you can set it not to open up newly mounted partitions03:52
Kamiongeppy_school: or just random failures to read files03:52
geppy_schoolKamion: Oh, alright.03:52
sh0reer i mean the pointer section of the XF86Config-403:52
vivekgeppy_school:ty..03:52
geppy_schoolvivek: You're welcome.03:53
sh0rIntelliMouse doesn't work...03:53
Kamiongeppy_school: turning off DMA seems to be less hard on (particularly) older drives03:53
kangamust be a stupi mouse then sh0r03:53
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sh0rstupi?03:54
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kangalol just a joke!03:54
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sh0rah :) english is not my native language... ;)03:54
kangakool03:54
PacoBCNsh0r, like most people in Florida :D03:55
kangawhat is sh0r?03:55
sh0rso any idea which protocol i could use? it sucks without mousewheel03:56
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membreyash0r: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html03:56
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andrilhey I am in Florida too03:57
vivekhow did i get gaim-vv in progeny???03:58
PacoBCNvivek, you got gaim-vv working?03:59
vivekyes..03:59
PacoBCNages ago I asked for a backport but no luck03:59
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PacoBCNvivek, tell me, how does it work?03:59
viveki cud very wel c other ppls webcams...03:59
TenPlus1Hi folks... can someone help me plz...03:59
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TenPlus1am trying to change screen colour depth from 24 to 16 in safe mode03:59
vivekgaim-vv works quite fine...03:59
TenPlus1and emacs isnt installed03:59
PacoBCNvivek, that's cool. When I tried to compile it I had no luck04:00
tritiumvivek, you say there's a progeny package for it?04:00
bhodieany network gurus here to help a linux beginner?04:00
vivekyes.. i mean i got it install in progeny.. but if  remmebr it right, i got it from a debian mirror04:00
PacoBCNTell me there's pack for it and you'll make my day04:00
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viveki am quite sure.. as i instlld it abt 5 days back....04:01
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PacoBCNyou don't remember the repo, right?04:02
viveknope..04:02
vivekbut i got it from a search in google for gami-vv04:02
bhodieperhaps someone could point me in the right direction....04:02
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TenPlus1any other txt editors I can use in safe mode... I dont have emacs for some reason04:03
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geppy_schoolKamion: Is it not plausible to set up a "white list" of DMA-friendly driveS?04:03
PotajiTowenas04:04
Kamiongeppy_school: that's something we're planning for the future04:04
Kamionhence the hardware database stuff for hoary04:04
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PacoBCNvivek, can you tell me which version of gaim-vv you have installed?04:05
geppy_schoolKamion: Would that be something I and other clueless users would be able to help with?04:05
Kamiongeppy_school: the point of the hardware database is exactly that04:05
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Kamiongeppy_school: don't know exactly how it would work with DMA, though; not really my area; we'll see04:06
TenPlus1How do I change my SCREN DEPTH from 24 to 16 in Safe Mode ???04:06
typoI've just upgraded from sid to hoary and epiphany can't find libgtkembedmoz.so, so I guess there's a missing dependency somewhere04:06
typowhat package provides libgtkembedmoz.so?04:06
sh0rmembreya: thx i'will try that!04:06
geppy_schoolKamion: Ah, cool;  much thanks!04:06
membreyash0r: it's great because it lets me use the buttons on the side of muh intellimouse :)04:07
PacoBCNInstalling gaim-vv from a repo I found04:07
PacoBCNI'll tell you if there's luck04:07
vivekPacoBCN:i do not remember.. cuz i had apt-get it .. n erased mh hd in 3 days...now i have ubuntu..04:08
vivekPacoBCN:plz let me know too....04:08
tritiumtypo, dpkg -S <filename> will tell you04:09
bhodiehelp with dhcp and/or static ip settings?04:09
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PacoBCNit just deleted gaim :D04:09
vivekkool...04:10
PacoBCNno luck at all04:10
viveku r on the right track..04:10
PacoBCNdependencies problems04:10
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typotritium: "mozilla-browser: /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so"04:10
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typotritium: and yet epiphany can't find it04:10
typomaybe I need to reboot04:11
PacoBCNtries to overwrite /usr/share/man/man1/gaim.1.gz04:11
PacoBCNwhich already exists in the gaim-data pack04:11
sh0rmembreya: brb, i have to restart x04:11
vivekit worked perfecly for me .....04:12
bhodie393 peeps and one ops..  and no help...  :)04:12
tritiumPacoBCN, you'd need to remove gaim-data (which will remove gaim, ubuntu-desktop, etc.)04:12
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PacoBCNtritium, if I delete gaim-data and install gaim-vv and then I try to install gaim again it will remove gaim-vv, I guess04:13
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PacoBCN(BTW, I see another update of firefox...)04:14
tritiumPacoBCN, if you try it and don't want it, yes, you can reinstall gaim and anythiing else that gets removed, such as ubuntu-desktop04:14
PacoBCNubuntu-desktop is a meta pack, I think04:15
membreyaPacoBCN: indeed it is :)04:16
tritiumPacoBCN, yep04:16
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flyingsquirrel54You guys know of a good IRC for a linux noob?04:16
tritiumclient?04:16
tritiumxchat and irssi seem popular.  gaim has IRC capabilities as well04:17
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PacoBCNuninstalling gaim-data04:17
krestenHi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" to write?04:17
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PacoBCNinstalling gaim-vv04:17
flyingsquirrel54no, sorry not a client, a server/channel04:18
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jsgotangcosalut04:18
PacoBCNsalut04:18
SpooksHey hey04:18
CarlK_I am going to test someone's .deb package.  what is the name of the 'script' that builds the .deb?04:18
PacoBCNgaim loads ok04:18
SpooksSomeone mind explaining how I format a drive with Ubuntu on so I can install windoze again please?04:18
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jsgotangcoeh?04:19
jsgotangcowhy do you want to do that?04:19
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esheriam search for a nice terminal font for "terminal-console" under x04:19
flyingsquirrel54back to windoze? You can do it with the win cd during the install04:19
esherany idea ?04:19
benjanetis beagle on the unverse repository for hoary...i cant seem to find it04:20
benjanetto find it04:20
Symbiotewhat software can i download to use for sound mixing on ubuntu if my sound card is too primitive to do it?04:20
SpooksYeah, I want my other drive to have windoze on so I can play a couple of games04:20
tritiumCarlK_, there's a makefile called "rules" in the debian/ dir that is used by dpkg-buildpackage04:20
SpooksThat I cannot run on Linux04:20
krestenHi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" to write?04:20
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jsgotangcoSpooks: your windows CD can repartition your drive04:21
PacoBCNlooks like you can't have gaim-vv and gaim-encryption together04:21
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jsgotangcoSpooks: next time just dual boot instead04:21
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sh0rre04:21
Spooksdual boot = no ty04:21
sh0rworks fine :)04:21
flyingsquirrel54better to install windows first and then linux04:21
Spooksbut I shall try04:21
Spooksty04:21
jsgotangcohehe04:21
jsgotangcomustve been pissed04:21
PacoBCNrestarting X04:22
krestenHi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" write-access?04:23
sh0rhow do i put a script in my init.d directory?04:23
typoepiphany still doesn't work because it can't find libgtkembedmoz.so, anyone know what this might be?04:23
sh0rerr xinitrc.d i mean04:23
tritiumkresten, 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute04:24
tritiumkresten, those values are additive04:24
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krestentritium, Thanks a bunch!04:25
tritiumsure04:25
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typoanyone know how I can fix epiphany?04:27
eyequeuebugzilla?04:27
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typoeyequeue: where's ubuntu's bugzilla?04:28
maddlercould someone send me "Lucida Typewriter" font? :)04:28
maddlerplease...04:28
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eyequeuetypo:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/04:28
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Burgundaviatypo: what is the issue with epiphany?04:31
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typoBurgundavia: "epiphany: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"04:31
Burgundaviatypo: warty or hoary?04:32
typoBurgundavia: hoary04:32
mrammI am having a problem with ndiswrapper and the dell 1170 card in a inspiron 8200 any body got any debugging tips?04:32
typoBurgundavia: upgraded from sid04:32
jsgotangcowhat kind of problems exactly?04:32
Burgundaviatypo: hmm04:32
jk24mramm: what's the problem ?04:33
typobtw, I can't install ubuntu-desktop04:33
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rvalleshi04:33
typopython-newt is uninstallable04:33
tritiumtypo, perhaps its not a bug in epiphany-browser, but rather something wrong with the upgrade from sid04:33
Burgundaviatypo: file the bug. I cannot replicate the problem though04:33
rvallesin order to make my own kernel for ubuntu...04:33
rvalleswell, I've made it04:33
Burgundaviatypo: you upgraded from sid?04:33
typotritium: might be04:33
typoBurgundavia: yes04:33
rvallesbut I see that grub uses an initrd04:33
rvallesfor the kernel to load initially04:33
rvallesand there is an initrd for each kernel version of the ones ubuntu installed04:34
Burgundaviatypo: have you looked at what package provides libgtkembedmoz.so? and tried updating that?04:34
typoBurgundavia: it's mozilla-browser04:34
rvalleswhat I want to know is, basically, what does the initrd do04:34
Burgundaviahmm04:34
rvallesif I can ditch it, if I can use one of the already made ones04:34
typoBurgundavia: 1.7.5-1ubuntu104:34
eyequeuemkinitrd (8)         - make an initrd image04:34
rvallesor how to make a new one for my kernel04:34
tritiumtypo, what prevents installation of ubuntu-desktop?04:34
typoBurgundavia: so I guess its updated04:34
rvallesany recommendation?04:35
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typotritium: python-newt04:35
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eyequeuervalles:  initial ram disk04:35
mrammI get the drivers installed and ndiswrapper -l shows driver loaded and hardware present.  I did modprobe ndiswrapper, and then ifconfig wlan0 up.  The interface then shows up, but no traffic hits it, and attempts to manually change the essid with iwconfig have no result.04:35
Burgundaviatypo: that is the latest version04:35
rvalleseyequeue: please, I know this much.04:35
lrojasis there a way to install ubuntu with a 2.4.x kernel?04:35
BurgundaviaI would try removing the whole thing and reinstalling and see if that helps04:35
eyequeuervalles:  man mkinitrd04:35
rvalleseyequeue: ...04:35
Burgundavialrojas: why?04:35
tritiumtypo, what's the error with python-newt?04:35
rvalleseyequeue: what I want to know is why ubuntu uses a initrd04:35
Burgundavialrojas: and yes, ifyou compile it yourself04:35
rvalleseyequeue: that is, what does it use it for.04:35
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King_Crimsonhey i downloaded the new hoary and burnt the install iso to cd how do i install it now?04:36
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typotritium: I think it depends on an old version of libnewt04:36
lrojaswell, i been trying to install debian, is been hard, so i figured that maybe i could go with ubuntu, but i need a 2.4 kernel because thats what transgaming ppl recomend04:36
BurgundaviaKing_Crimson: place it in your cd drive and reboot your computer04:36
jsgotangcoput it on the cd tray?04:36
King_Crimsonok04:36
King_Crimsonthx04:36
BurgundaviaKing_Crimson: make certain that you boot from the cd rom before  your harddrive04:36
Burgundavianev mind04:36
jsgotangcohehe04:36
Kangaset bios04:36
typoBurgundavia: reinstalling mozilla-browser had no effect04:37
Burgundaviahmm04:37
jsgotangconice suggestion04:37
typotritium: "python-newt: Depends: libnewt0.51 (= 0.51.6-20ubuntu3) but 0.51.6-21 is to be installed"04:37
eyequeuervalles:  you'd have to ask someone involved in the kernel package maintenence i suppose04:37
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Kangathought you were sleeping jsgotangoco!04:37
zookogreetings, people of #ubuntu!04:37
zookoThis doesn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowtob04:37
zookoon my current hoary amd64 system.04:37
eyequeuelrojas:  what is transgaming?04:38
zookoIt compiled the whole thing, then got an error attempting to ls something "amd64" something "generic".04:38
lrojasthe ppl that make cedega04:38
tritiumtypo, apt-cache policy libnewt0.51 please.  I think you have another repo providing a different version.04:38
zookoThis failure of ls caused it not to create the .deb file.  :-?04:38
eyequeuelrojas:  what is cedega?04:38
lrojascedega is the aplication formely known as WineX04:38
Burgundaviaeyequeue: a fork of the wine project, allows you to run windows app on linux04:39
lrojashttp://www.transgaming.com04:39
eyequeuelrojas:  okay, still no clue, sorry04:39
rvallesI just want to boot my own kernel04:39
Burgundaviaeyequeue: www.winehq.org04:39
zookoWhen did it fork?04:39
PacoBCNeyequeue, it avoids to have a windows OS :)04:39
Burgundaviazooko: when wine changed their license04:39
tritiumzooko, try using kernel-package to build your kernel04:39
eyequeueBurgundavia:  thanks.  not having any windows apps, i have never had that desire04:39
lrojaswhy, oh why.... is linux such a mess for the newbie04:39
rvalleswhich isn't such a weird thing; people love to bould their own kernels.04:40
eyequeuePacoBCN:  i've avoided having one fairly well without it :)04:40
Burgundaviaeyequeue: I have never used it, but I have heard some good reports04:40
makoDarthFrog: bob2 is not the channel manager, but he's the only person on the list of current channel managers who i know is active here04:40
zookotritium: I have tried that.  Unfortunately the resulting kernel couldn't boot...04:40
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PacoBCNeyequeue, well, you might want to play some videogames, some times04:40
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eyequeuePacoBCN:  ah, i'm no gamer04:40
zookoI guess I could copy to config file from the Ubuntu way to do it and then use kernel-package...04:40
zookoThat sounds like a good idea.  Thanks.04:40
PacoBCNeyequeue, in that case you don't need it :D04:40
eyequeuePacoBCN:  :)04:40
typotritium: probably the debian sid version04:41
tritiumtypo, is that what apt-cache policy shows you?04:41
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mrammjk24: sorry I had to take a support call.   Any thoughts on how to troubleshoot problems with ndiswrapper04:41
tritiumtypo, you don't really want a sid repo in your sources.list, now do you?04:41
tritiummako, how's the laptop after the water incident?04:41
keyhackHow can I disable the annoying loud startup noise at the gdm login screen? It would be fine if I could have adjusted the volume but blaring it at 100% volume on my laptop is not fun.04:42
eyequeuekeyhack:  disable the sound that it calls?04:42
Burgundaviakeyhack: system-->admin-->login screen setupo04:42
keyhackBurgundavia: It's not there04:42
eyequeuekeyhack:  that's if there's not a more elegant solution someone offers04:42
keyhackeyequeue: I've muted my sound, rebooted, and it still does it04:42
PacoBCNOk, conclusions after installing gaim-vv (voice-video support for gaim): It works pretty well. However, the installation might give you some headache since you have to uninstall gaim-data and gaim, and, most important, looks like you can't run gaim-vv + gaim-encryption, which is why I rolled back to def. installation.04:43
typotritium: I don't have one04:43
eyequeuekeyhack:  no, i mean the actual file04:43
tritiumtypo, what version is installed now?04:43
typotritium: it's just that the debian version is -21 and the ubuntu one -20, so it's not an upgrade04:43
Burgundaviakeyhack: accessablity tab04:43
makotritium: well.. i ordered a new keyboard04:43
typotritium: I need to downgrade04:43
eyequeuekeyhack:  mv filename filename.saved ; touch filename04:43
makotritium: should arrive later this week probably04:43
Burgundaviakeyhack: oh, that gets only drums04:43
makotritium: i think that'z the only thing that's broken04:43
eyequeuekeyhack:  something like that04:43
Burgundaviakeyhack: you want tinkly sounds gone04:43
makotritium: keyboard/mouse combo thing04:43
tritiummako, that's good, but sorry that happened :(04:43
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keyhackBurgundavia: no, I want the one second drums gone04:43
makotritium: i got it refurbished so it only cost $6004:43
rvallesseriously; does nobody here build their own kernels?04:43
mrammtypo:  Have you tried completely removing the package and installing the one from the Ubuntu repository.04:44
keyhackBurgundavia: I removed the 20 second startup audo from gnome fine04:44
Burgundaviakeyhack: the drums in accessablity04:44
typodoes anyone know a Portuguese (.pt) mirror for ubuntu packages?04:44
keyhackBurgundavia: Why its there, who knows, thanks04:44
typomramm: looks like aptitude can handle things, thanks04:44
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tritiummako, could be worse, I guess04:44
flyingsquirrel54I just barely got done installing ubuntu on my laptop, but what's the root pswd?04:44
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Burgundaviakeyhack: it is for people who cannot see to login04:44
eyequeuekeyhack:  how did you remove the 20 second startup?04:44
rvallesI'm helping a non-english speaking linux user on his ubuntu04:44
rvallesbut at this rate04:44
PacoBCNflyingsquirrel54, know what sudo is?04:44
keyhackeyequeue: from the sound settings04:44
eyequeueflyingsquirrel54:  there is none.  on purpose.04:44
rvallesI'll just move him to my distro (Gentoo) which is far less intrusive04:44
makorvalles: what language?04:44
typocould someone tell me what's in their /etc/ld.so.conf?04:44
rvallesmako: spanish04:44
flyingsquirrel54but I need to know the password to use sudo too don't I?04:45
keyhackSystem -> Preferences -> Sound04:45
keyhackI turned it all off04:45
BurgundaviaFleebailey33: your own04:45
keyhackgtg reboot04:45
makorvalles: http://www.ubuntu-es.org/04:45
PacoBCNflyingsquirrel54, yes, your own password04:45
Burgundaviaflyingsquirrel54: your own04:45
Burgundaviawrong person04:45
eyequeueflyingsquirrel54:  https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:45
PacoBCNit has root privilegies04:45
makorvalles: there is an active spanish-speaking community04:45
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eyequeueflyingsquirrel54:  no you do not04:45
makorvalles: and lots of spanish documentation04:45
eyequeueflyingsquirrel54:  you use your user password04:45
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eyequeueflyingsquirrel54: sudo != su04:45
flyingsquirrel54never seen that before, of course, i'm new, thanks04:46
tritiumtypo, yes, try downgrading the sid version of python-newt to allow ubuntu-desktop to install04:46
eyequeueflyingsquirrel54:  no prob, and welcome04:46
rvallesmako: thanks, didn't know that site04:46
flyingsquirrel54it's very pretty04:46
flyingsquirrel54is wine installed by default?04:46
makorvalles: no problem04:46
PacoBCNflyingsquirrel54, since you installed the system it's assumed that you're a super user, but next users you add won't have sys privilege unless you specificly add them.04:46
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CarlK_hoary server install: cardinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared04:46
rvallesmako: they have a kernel tutorial, but it's using kernel-package04:47
rvallesmako: :/04:47
CarlK_is that "expected" or should I file a bugreport?04:47
tritiumrvalles, not too many people have need to build their own kernels.04:47
keyhackOk back, does anyone have experience using fireglcontrol? I'm trying to set up dual head with my ATI card, and I set my settings, restart X, go back, and its back to where it was before. Anyone?04:47
flyingsquirrel54paco makes sense04:47
makorvalles: why is that a problem?04:47
eyequeuemke-kpkg rocks :)04:47
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rvallesmako: because most people prefer to build the kernel their own way04:47
PacoBCNflyingsquirrel54, you'll soon find that sudo not only makes sense but it's pretty comfortable04:47
rvallesmako: without distro interference04:48
makorvalles: most people who are starting out prefer to build a kernel the *easiest* way :)04:48
eyequeuervalles:  you have a strange definition of "most people" perhaps04:48
flyingsquirrel54pacoBCN: is wine installed by def?04:48
Kamionrvalles: you asked why we use an initrd; there's no other sane way for a binary distribution to go about it04:48
rvallesbut... there's this initrd thing ubuntu uses for stuff I don't know of04:48
arnau_Hello. How can I change the menu fonts of my applications? I use kde 3.4.004:48
tritiumrvalles, the advantage of kernel-package is that your kernel is under package management system04:48
PacoBCNflyingsquirrel54, no, it's not but it's easy to install04:48
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makorvalles: in fact, most people use whatever the stock kernel is :)04:48
rvallesKamion: what do you do place in the initrd?04:48
typoBurgundavia: what does ldd tell you for libgtkembedmoz?04:48
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makoincluding me, for that matter04:48
Riddellarnau_: kcontrol->appearance->fonts04:49
rvallesmako: and people who build it, don't like distro-isms04:49
eyequeuervalles:  that is a complete lie04:49
Kamionrvalles: drivers that would otherwise have to be compiled monolithically into the kernel04:49
makorvalles: i think that's a pretty overly broad statement04:49
Burgundaviatypo: ?04:49
zookoSo what is the easiest way to build the kernel?04:49
Kamionrvalles: initrd is not a "distro-ism"04:49
tritiumzooko, kernel-package04:49
zookoI've failed two different ways now, and I'm going back to kernel-package at this moment...04:49
rvallesKamion: you mean... modules?04:49
Kamionrvalles: yes04:49
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zookoThanks.04:49
eyequeuervalles:  if you are opposed to using the tools that come with a given distro, perhaps you should consider not using that distro04:49
naikutyhello friends04:49
flyingsquirrel54what type of install sytem does ubuntu use? yum, apt-get?04:49
typoBurgundavia: running ldd for /usr/bin/epiphany? where is it getting libgtkembedmoz.so?04:49
rvallesKamion: why are the modules not just in the standard /lib/modules place?04:50
Kamionrvalles: but you can load modules from the initrd before you mount the root filesystem04:50
makoeyequeue: there's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater in this case04:50
eyequeueflyingsquirrel54:  ubuntu is debian-based, hence dpkg/apt/and the like04:50
Burgundaviatypo: just a sec, I have to reinstall it04:50
rvallesKamion: what does having the modules in initrd have to do with ubuntu being a binary distro?04:50
Kamionrvalles: there are enough SCSI controller drivers, filesystem drivers, etc., that creating a single kernel that could mount any root filesystem would be far too huge04:50
makorvalles: nothing04:50
eyequeuervalles:  what is your rationale for subverting the package management system?04:51
Kamionrvalles: because that means we prefer to build and properly test a single kernel package which will work in as many situations as possible04:51
Kamionrvalles: for instance, we use the same kernel in an installed system as we do in the installer04:51
rvallesKamion: that's quite easy to comprehend04:51
rvallesKamion: but... why should people who build their own kernels care?04:51
Kamionthat sort of flexibility is not practical with a huge monolithic kernel; AFAIK, all binary distributions use initrds04:52
Kamionrvalles: you don't have to04:52
rvallesKamion: so, I don't need initrd to boot, then?04:52
arnau_Riddell: the menu fonts in openoffice don't change.04:52
Kamionit is not necessary to use an initrd if you don't want to; you just have to tweak the bootloader configuration to take that into account04:52
makorvalles: are you using a custom kernel?04:52
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Riddellarnau_: ah well openoffice is a whole new mystery04:52
rvallesKamion: If I place the modules in the standard place (/lib/modules), ubuntu won't complain?04:52
Kamionrvalles: er, Ubuntu ALREADY has a bunch of stuff in /lib/modules04:52
eyequeuervalles:  again, what is your rationale for subverting the package management system?04:53
rvalleseyequeue: personal preference04:53
Kamioneyequeue: I think that's overly hostile04:53
flyingsquirrel54is there any type of package manager that I could install to make installation easier for a noob?04:53
rvalleseyequeue: do you have a problem with it?04:53
Kamioneyequeue: we provide facilities for people to provide their own kernels; it's not subversion04:53
tritiumflyingsquirrel54, synaptic04:53
eyequeuervalles:  nor do i have a problem if you -rf your rm04:53
makorvalles: you just need to make sure you have the stuff necessary to to the filesystem, etc loaded into the monolithic kernels so you can load up those modules04:53
arnau_Riddell: with firefox I have the same result04:53
makorvalles: if you've built a custom kernel, that's fine04:53
eyequeuervalles:  but your hosptility in here does bother me04:54
flyingsquirrel54that's it! I was trying to remember that but I couldn't. Thanks!04:54
Burgundaviaeyequeue: remember the Ubuntu code of conduct please04:54
rvallesmako: ok04:54
Kamioneyequeue: AFAICT you're being at least as hostile; please cut it out04:54
makoeyequeue: different strokes for different folks04:54
makoeyequeue: i've gone through stages of building kernels in at least two different debian ways, totally by hand, and am now sticking with stock kernels.. :) they're all fine :)04:55
rvallesmako: he's having problems booting it... I guess I'll ssh into his box after all and try to figure out more about the boot process (it seems the kernel boots)04:55
makorvalles: if you can ssh into it.. it sounds like it's booting alright04:55
Kamionrvalles: maybe he forgot to take the initrd line out of the bootloader config?04:55
rvallesmako: he boots the old kernel, of course.04:56
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tritiumrvalles, it's nice that you're helping your friend, and going to the extent of learning about a distro other than the one you use yourself04:56
Kamionunfortunately it does have to be taken into account there, by nature04:56
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gooniewrkshould i need to install anything extra after a default install to mount windows shares? I can mount them in my gentoo box but not my ubuntu.. plz forgive my newbieness... New to *nix04:56
rvallestritium: thanks... I was curious about ubuntu anyways04:56
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makorvalles: it's nice to learn how other distributions works anyway04:56
makorvalles: i had a very good time learning about gentoo this summer04:56
rvallesmyself I use Gentoo; not because I care much about optimizations or stuff like that04:57
rvallesbut because it isn't intrusive at all04:57
typoBurgundavia: any luck?04:57
Dr_Williswindows 'shares' are accesed useing the 'samba' tools - its possible that samba is disabled by default or for security reasons.04:57
keyhackfireglcontrol doesn't seem to be applying any settings. I have a second monitor hooked up, I set the 2nd display to be disabled, restart X, and its enabled still. Anyone have experience with this? Is fireglcontrol designed to work with XFree86 and not Xorg?04:57
rvallesit doesn't fight the admin... <304:57
Burgundaviajust a sec, had some issues with installing04:57
zookoIs there an established channel for users (like me) to communicate to Ubuntumasters about packages that I would like to see included?04:57
tritiumtypo, have you looked at the python-newt issue, or are you working on epiphany at the moment?04:57
zookoThere is a package that I currently have to get from debian...04:57
Burgundaviatypo: firefox04:58
tritiumzooko, which one is it?04:58
Kamionzooko: anything other than IRC :-) ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com would be reasonable04:58
Dr_Willisgooniewrk,  the site    http://ubuntuguide.org/   - i a must read. :P its has loads of info on this and other areas.04:58
Burgundaviatypo: libgtkembedmoz.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so (0xb7faa000)04:58
Kamionzooko: I'm surprised it's not in universe/multiverse though?04:58
typotritium: that seams fixed04:58
tritiumtypo, super04:58
zookoIt's because I'm on 64-bit.  ghc6.04:58
gooniewrkDr_Willis, I checked in synaptics and the samba packages are installed.. how do I enable samba if it is disabled?04:58
Burgundaviagooniewrk: it is also warty, and thus slightly outdated04:58
Kamionoh, a build failure then presumably04:58
typotritium: thanks04:58
zookoThe reason I can't use uni/multi is because they don't have 64-bit.04:58
typoBurgundavia: I don't have that file04:58
gooniewrkDr_Willis, thx I'll read it04:58
Kamionzooko: they do so :)04:58
typoBurgundavia: looks like it's that04:58
Burgundaviatypo: hmm04:58
zookoOops.  I'll doublecheck..04:59
Burgundaviatypo: do you have firefox?04:59
Kamionzooko: all architectures have all components04:59
Dr_Willisgooniewrk,  you may just need to start the service.. been so long since id dont a clean install..04:59
typoBurgundavia: ahhh, that's it04:59
typoBurgundavia: I have debian's firefox04:59
Burgundaviatypo: there we go04:59
Kamionzooko: ghc6 built successfully on amd6404:59
tritiumzooko, ghc6 is available, at least on i38604:59
PacoBCNwow, every 30 minutes I see more upates04:59
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Kamion18 days ago04:59
PacoBCNupdates04:59
Burgundaviatypo: firefox is part of desktop-seed on ubuntu, those everybody gets it04:59
gooniewrkk, i'll give it a try when i get home04:59
tritiumzooko, do you have universe included in your /etc/apt/sources.list?05:00
typoBurgundavia: yes, but I have debian sid's version05:00
Kamionit failed on ia6405:00
typoBurgundavia: that doesn't have the embed stuff05:00
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Kamion      ghc6 |    6.2.2-2 | hoary/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc05:00
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Burgundaviatypo: ah05:00
athohm05:00
Kamionzooko: warty/universe didn't have ghc6, though05:00
rvallesfor some reason, his kernel doesn't boot when he doesn't place the initrd line on grub config05:00
rvallesand it does if he does place it05:00
rvalles:O05:00
zookoSorry about that.05:00
athoHow can I pass something to the kernel on PPC hoary??05:00
rvallesit's a "wth"05:00
Kamionrvalles: so that means that his kernel expects an initrd; i.e. it doesn't have enough compiled into it to get by on its own05:00
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typoBurgundavia: thanks for the help, this should fix it05:00
tritiumatho, all the time, or just once?05:01
athoI need acpi to be off05:01
rvallesKamion: that would be fine05:01
Kamionrvalles: the stock kernel will certainly behave that way05:01
Burgundaviatypo: np05:01
rvallesKamion: if the initrd was for his new kernel05:01
Kamionatho: powerpc doesn't have ACPI05:01
athoKamion...05:01
tritiumatho, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (the kopt line)05:01
Kamiontritium: nor does powerpc have grub :)05:01
athoHow can I fix the hotplug subsystem freeze?05:01
atho:)05:01
tritiumatho, and the sudo update-grub05:01
rvallesKamion: but he uses the initrd of the _old_ kernel and it boots (it cannot possible be a modules thing; the modules won't link against his new kernel)05:01
athoHI2U05:02
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rvallesKamion: and he doesn't and it doesn't05:02
typois there any way I can make the ubuntu packages supercede the debian ones in all cases, even if it means downgrading?05:02
Kamionrvalles: weirdness!05:02
Burgundaviatypo: you can force the install05:02
tritiumatho, oh, you're on PPC, sorry...didn't see that.  Thanks for catching that Kamion05:02
atho:P05:02
athoKamion, any ideas?05:02
athoHotplug subsystem freezes05:02
typoBurgundavia: I can fix it case by case, but I wanted to do it for everything05:02
Burgundaviatypo: and you force, remember to remove the sid repo05:02
Kamionatho: not right now sorry05:03
Burgundaviatypo: don't know sorry05:03
rvallesKamion: well, it's ssh time05:03
Kamionrvalles: I do think the kernel must be broken though, there's no reason it shouldn't be able to boot by itself05:03
atho:|05:04
rvallesKamion: there's no reason it would boot with an initrd which contains modules for a different kernel version05:04
rvallesKamion: either05:04
Kamionrvalles: not if the module ABI has changed, certainly05:04
typoepiphany is back :)05:05
Kamionrvalles: which leads me to believe there's more going on than is being described :)05:05
tritiumtypo, cool :)05:05
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esheriam search for a nice terminal font for "terminal-console" under x05:05
esherfixed font, like terminal are :)05:05
athoDoes anyone think upgrading to Hoary from Warty will work?05:05
athoTo skip the hotplug subsys problem05:06
tritiumatho, have you tried the Hoary LiveCD?05:06
lokatho, why does you think it does not works ?05:06
lokhoary have no probleme05:06
athoInstalling from Hoary gives the freeze05:07
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lokthe installer ?05:08
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lokor after the install ?05:09
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mrammIf I install ndiswrapper, install the drivers, check the driver instalation (ndiswrapper -l), and do the modprobe, but am still not able to see anything on wlan0 are there any debugging steps I can try?05:09
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lokiwconfig mramm05:09
lokthen ifconfig wlan0 up05:09
mrammifconfig wlan0 up brings something up, but no traffic ever hits it05:09
lokiwconfig wlan0 can config it05:10
mayangtritium,I just install kde-core05:10
mrammiwconfig shows the interface, but iwconfig commands will not work (for istance I can't get it to accept a essid change)05:10
lokchange the mode first to change essid05:10
tritiummayang, okay, it's entirely up to you :)05:10
lokmode Ad-Hoc05:11
lokthen change the essid05:11
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mayang3.4 is quit bealtiful than 3.205:11
udubuntugreetings #ubuntu05:11
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tritiumhi udubuntu05:12
mrammlok: that seems to work.  Thanks05:12
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andrilhey all05:12
udubuntuAm I the only one who waits up to 5 minutes for Gnome to load?05:12
andrilI need help making shortcuts or launchers to apps05:13
Zugoti'm so sad...05:13
Zugotnone of my software works on amd64 linux05:13
Zugotso i have to revert to x8605:13
udubuntuI saw the faq and tried the .ICEauthority suggestion but to no avail05:13
mayangnow I am do system updating05:13
lokZugot, I m on a x86_64 and my software works05:14
udubuntuhas anyone here solved the GNOME-takes-ages-to-start problem?05:14
tritiumudubuntu, I haven't experienced it05:14
lokall the software except microsoft oriented ones (acroread, flash, wine)05:14
zookoZugot: I'm going 64-bit all the way, so far.05:14
udubuntutritium: ah, i c05:14
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tritiumudubuntu, sorry, otherwise I'd try to help05:15
naikutyzooko, I just cannot get my Xserver up on AMD6405:15
udubuntutritium: thanks - much appreciated05:15
mrammOK.  Now the wlan0 interface is up, and the essid is set, but still not a single transmited or recieved packet.05:15
udubuntutritium: any idea where I may find help?05:16
tritiumudubuntu, you've tried the right places...05:16
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andrilcan someone help me with shortt cuts?05:16
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Keizer<305:17
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tritiumandril, do you want launchers on your panel?05:17
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KeizerHey guys, i've got a problem with my wireless DWL-G650 card05:17
udubuntutritium: looks like I'll fix it then - and then provide the answer :-)05:17
loknaikuty zooko, I just cannot get my Xserver up on AMD64 << I don't how you do but I never had one probleme with X due to the x86_6405:18
mrammI have a dell 1170 card, which is a broadcom 4301 chipset.  Ndiswrapper installs, the driver shows up, but I can't get it to transmit a packet.05:18
tritiumudubuntu, :)05:18
mrammkeizer; what kind of problem?05:18
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KeizerIt can't find my network05:19
lokmramm, you want to make what type of network ? ad-hoc ?05:19
mrammKeizer: did it work previously?05:19
KeizerI'm in windows and the card works fine.05:19
KeizerI want to boot back into Linux and have internet. I'm reading some stuff05:20
mrammI have an access point, with encryption.05:20
KeizerBut I don't think Ubuntu is going to support it even though the site says it will.05:20
lokan access point does not use ad-hoc mode05:20
mrammI started by trying managed, but then I couldn't change the essid.05:20
lokjuste configure the password and channel05:20
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lokyou don't need to set the essid in this mode05:21
KeizerMine is not encrypted05:21
CarlK_how do you see what cards are in?05:21
CarlK_lscard or something05:21
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loknetwork card ?05:21
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CarlK_pcmica05:22
zookonaikuty: what kind of graphics card have you?05:22
naikutyzooko, via s3 unichrome based K8m80005:22
KeizerI'm using PCMCIA05:22
lokit depends in what does the card do05:22
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mrammtrying it now.  Thanks!05:22
lokif it's for a wireless network use iwconfig05:22
CarlK_na, there is soemthing that will probe the cards and return there ID's05:22
typowhat's the package for the panel package update stuff?05:22
naikutyzooko, there was no problem with warty/xfree86/x-8605:22
burbujahi all!05:23
KeizerWhat's the command to bring up the wireless network search in Bash?05:23
KeizerThe stupid installation crashed on me last time.05:23
KeizerFedora didn't crash05:23
CarlK_Keizer - long shot: ifup -a05:23
naikutyzooko, yesterday i updated to Hoary/AMD64 & this is Xorg - the vesa mode which earlier used to work doesn't work now05:23
zookonaikuty: I just ran "google ubuntu k8m800" and got several interesting hits in the top 10...05:24
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KeizerCarlK_, Ok, I'm going to reboot and go into Ubuntu. It it doesn't work i'm going back to Fedora05:24
loknaikuty, have you verify that the driver use by Xorg is realy vesa05:24
KeizerI know my chipset is Atheros05:24
CarlK_Keizer - hang on a sec.05:24
CarlK_I may have the same card05:24
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CarlK_dlink 650?05:25
KeizerYes05:25
naikutyzooko, the first link from the search is exactly my problem05:25
KeizerIt says AirPlus on it?05:25
CarlK_the part that is sticking out says "dwl-650+ dlink airplus"05:25
CarlK_yup05:25
naikutylok, how do i do that, I just gave vesa in the driver section05:25
CarlK_but... I here dlink changed the inside a few times, and there are relly 4 different versions under that name05:26
KeizerMine doesn't have a "+" on the end, it just says AirPlus05:26
CarlK_I am hoping that the ID returned by the card is a bit more usefull05:26
CarlK_but I can't remember how to probe it05:26
bwlangCarlK_: cardctl ident05:26
KeizerI know it's an Atheros chipset05:27
CarlK_thats it!05:27
loknaikuty, edit the xorg.conf file all is in05:27
CarlK_wtf...    product info: "Wireless Network CardBus PC Card", "Global", "", ""05:27
mrammStill no packets transmited or recieved.   Shouldn't I be able to see some packets going out, even if I don't have the right cripto stuff?05:28
CarlK_Keizer - you get that and "manfid: 0x0097, 0x8402"05:28
naikutylok, I made the xorg.con as similar as possible with the working config of XFree86 from a previous installation, but it doesn't just seem to work05:28
andriltritium: that would be fine - but also on the desktop05:30
andrilI JUST INSTALLED THE Opera browser05:30
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tritiumandril, on the panel, right-click and choose Add to Panel.  Then, choose Custom Application Launcher05:30
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CarlK_does grub support mutiple append lines?05:31
CarlK_and/or, does grub support global settings, then specific ones under each "lable"?05:31
andrilok05:32
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zookoSo.... if I'm about to compile 2.6.10+ubuntu packages, using kernel-package, can someone supply me with a sample .config that is likely to actually boot?05:32
andriltritium: ok I am there05:33
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setite_anyone have a widescreen monitor?05:33
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setite_anyone have a widescreen monitor and know how to set custom resolutions05:33
tritiumzooko, there are configs in /boot for kernel images you have installed05:34
zookotritium: excellent!  Thanks!05:34
tritiumnp :)05:34
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zookoThanks, #ubuntu!  See you later05:34
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tritiumandril, okay, you just need to fill out a few fields then05:35
andrilthat's where the issue begins05:35
virtualdsetite_: no i don't but hand edit /etc/xorg.conf, you'll get the idea when you see the lists of resolutions05:35
setite_i updated my driver... and now the current resolution properly stretches instead of being in 1:1 with b lack bards05:35
tritiumandril, okay, like what?05:35
andrilthe command05:35
setite_virtuald  ive tried replacing and changing values in the xorg.conf05:36
setite_never works05:36
tritiumandril, which opera05:36
setite_it makes GDM not run05:36
setite_ive copied and pasted code from a few forum threads but nothing has worked so far05:36
andrilOpera 7.54u205:36
KeizerCarlK_, Ok, reboot time05:36
setite_can you recommend a forum to me05:37
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setite_i didnt find what i needed at the ubuntu forum05:37
tritiumandril, can you type that command in the terminal please?05:37
flyingsquirrel54I'm trying to install synaptic on my brand new system but don't have a c compiler, don't know apt either05:37
virtualdsetite_: :/05:37
setite_yea....05:37
virtualdi don't use forums05:37
setite_i have another driver though05:37
setite_from nvidias site05:38
setite_its a .run05:38
setite_what do i use05:38
setite_alien?05:38
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setite_or just dpkg the file as it is05:38
andrili don't know the command05:38
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setite_how do i use alien again05:38
virtualdsetite_: chmod +x file and then ./file05:38
tritiumandril, "which opera"05:38
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andrilOpera7.54u205:38
virtualdchmod +x sets execute permissions on it05:38
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setite_thta makes it executable right05:38
setite_cool05:39
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andriltritium, Opera 7.54u205:39
tritiumandril, that's the output from the command?05:40
tritiumandril, is opera installed from a .deb package?05:40
andrilprobaly not I downloaded it form the site05:41
setite_damn i have to run it from CLI05:41
setite_grrr05:41
setite_forget that05:41
virtuald:)05:41
andriluncompressed the folder and click on the opera file to get it started05:41
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setite_yea i dont like messing with cli05:41
Burgundaviatritium: yes05:41
elhinto5000anyone know why i dont get sound in flash??05:41
Burgundaviatritium: I think05:41
setite_i always make a blunder of it05:42
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elhinto5000i just installed flash-mozilla and i get no sound05:42
elhinto5000everything else i get sound with05:42
tritiumandril, and it installed?05:42
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elhinto5000rythembox, xmms, tv card05:42
virtualdsetite_: then you should use the nvidia driver in ubuntus restricted section05:42
virtualdand not touch the official release05:42
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tritiumandril, "which opera" should return the full path05:43
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CarlK_Keizer - I am going to install hoary server with my (your?) card - should be done in about 30 min05:43
netventuresetite: FYI, there's a deb package available for Opera05:43
setite_virtual did that alread05:45
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setite_net... why you telling me about opera05:45
tritiumandril, you still there?05:45
andriltritium: I am lost05:45
elhinto5000ok05:45
setite_i dont want opera05:45
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setite_tried it... like it on windows... hate in on linux05:45
netventureoops! sowwy, mixed up nicks05:46
tritiumandril, okay, did opera install for you?05:46
elhinto5000im getting no sound in flash. i installed flash-mozilla from apt, everything else plays sound but flash, any help??05:46
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tigruxWhere can I see the list of current packages for Ubuntu?05:46
andrilall I did is extract to folder05:46
wezzerI don't like the idea of paying for web browser05:46
Kamiontigrux: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/05:46
tritiumandril, netventure mentioned that there's a .deb for opera.  Did you realize this?05:46
andrilI keep it free like Ubuntu05:46
tigruxKamion: Thanks.05:47
andrilreally - where05:47
netventureandril: here05:47
netventurehttp://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20i386&lng=en&ver=7.54u2&platform=Linux%20i386&local=y05:47
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setite_anyone know off hand if there is a linux driver for the logitech mx510?05:48
andrilok - I downloaded the Other/Static DEB one05:48
andrilnetventure: did you get this installed?05:48
netventureandril: sorry, I never tried, not really into opera05:49
netventureandril: have you tried dpkg -i opera-xxxxxxxxx.deb ??05:50
andrilnope wil do05:50
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tigruxCan anyone that had used mandrake before tell me why should I use Ubuntu instead of Mandrake? I still use mandrake, but I don't like the new cycle of releases of Mandrake, so I could change of distro.05:51
netventuresetite: try this page: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=108762&postcount=505:51
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netventuresetite: it says MS Optical, but I guess it was also meant for the mx51005:51
elhinto5000anyone know how to get flash to play sound?05:51
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KeizerCarlK_, I just did the ident05:52
andrilnot working05:52
kotatsutigrux: ubuntu will make you a 1337 h4x0r? dunno, try it and see if you like it =) IIRC, mandrake is KDE based, so you might give kubuntu a spin... honestly though, if mandrake already works, there's no reason apart from curiousity for you to switch05:52
andrilor I am just screwed05:52
KeizerOf course it doesn't work05:52
erikhey, how do I set up pppoe with ubuntu?05:52
CarlK_Keizer - "doesn't work"?05:53
KeizerCarlK_, I didn't have the same chip as you05:53
KeizerMine is Atheros Communications AR 500105:53
CarlK_damm dlink!05:53
tigruxkotatsu: I'm a gnome user, actually I'm very happy with my gnome 2.10.0, but I'm using a non-official repository.05:53
CarlK_Keizer - "manfid: 0x0097, 0x8402" ?05:53
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kotatsutigrux: I can definitely say that ubuntu is the best out-of-the-box GNOME setup I've used... everything works extremely well and I didn't run across any show-stopping bugs while I was using Warty (stable release)05:54
tigruxkotatsu: I have noticed Ubuntu follows the gnome cycle release closely, but mandrake does not, and mandrake does not have updates for gnome as often as I want.05:54
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KeizerCarlK_, 0x0271 0x001205:54
kotatsutigrux: your desire to switch should be based on how satisfied you are with mandrake =)05:54
Kamiontigrux: having the GNOME release manager on staff does something to help with that ;)05:54
elhinto5000anyone know how to get flash to play sound?05:54
kotatsutigrux: in that case, I'd recommend trying out ubuntu - it's very nice to get GNOME fresh out of the oven every 6 months05:55
CarlK_Keizer - did you install Warty (current stable) or Hoary (beta) ?05:55
kotatsualthough I don't think I'll ever be able to stay with the stable ubuntu release for more than a month or two on my workstation05:55
kotatsudevel branches have too many tempting new toys05:56
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KeizerCarlK_, Hoary05:56
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KeizerCarlK_, I think I found a driver online05:56
maximauselhinto5000, flash *should* have sound w/o configuration, perhaps you have some other app tying up the sound card?05:56
tigruxkotatsu: I like to create hacks for my apps, as well as recompiling for optimizing. Is it easy with Ubuntu/deb?05:56
Keizerhttp://linux.seindal.dk/item23.html05:56
tigruxkotatsu: I'm used to create rpms, and it seems to be easy. I don't how easy is for deb.05:56
zenroxboy ubuntu is loading really slow after yesterdats updates05:56
kotatsutigrux: not sure what you mean by "hacks" but sure, you can recompile packages if you really want to... it's much easier and faster to just install binaries though05:56
elhinto5000max: exactly which flash should i install?  does it matter?05:57
maximauselhinto5000, I05:57
kotatsutigrux: "optimizing" is an uncertain science at best and doesn't always give you significant speed gains05:57
maximaus'm using the bog standard from the site.05:57
tigruxkotatsu: But example, translating applications, or fixing minor bugs I.05:57
xigle1Hey folks. I really can't understand what's going on with the hoary repositories these days. I just did a clean install of Hoary Array 7, and the first thing I did was to add the universe repository and did a apt-get update. And this is what's happening when I do a apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad: ...unmet dependencies: libmad0 but it is not installable (the same with libid3tag0), broken packages. Really, is it just me? Tried this 3 times now, the same with ho05:58
KeizerCarlK_, What do you think?05:58
maximauselhinto5000, try running gnome-system-montior, kill any apps that might be using the soundcard, and even "esd" for good measure and try your flash thing again. (ESD is the sound server and can be wierd at times)05:58
KeizerCan apt install xinit?05:58
kotatsutigrux: the best resource for that is  http://www.debian.org/doc/ - read through the developers stuff05:58
KeizerI don't have x on there.05:58
kotatsutigrux: that should give you some idea about how difficult it will be for you to switch from RPM to DEB05:59
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elhinto5000maximaus: so i would have to kill esd everytime?  thats kinda crappy05:59
medihello05:59
medihay alguien que able castellano?05:59
zookotigrux: I hack lots of my own apps.05:59
zookoI generally just use gnu stow and install my versions in /usr/local/stow/...05:59
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zenroxthis is anoying gnome has finised loading up my bars yet and i dont see my menus even yet05:59
maximauselhinto5000, no, not at all, every now and then it gets carried away. Flash sound works fine for me out of the box, btw (Warty)06:00
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zenroxhas=hasnt06:00
medialguien controla en programacion en entorno de terminales??06:00
CarlK_Keizer - reading that link06:00
elhinto5000max: exactly what package did you install for flash? or did you just do the install plugin button on firefox?06:00
zookoHm.  These instructions for installing Sun's java 1.5 didn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java1506:01
maximauselhinto5000, I just grabbed the plugin from an old Fedora install and threw it in my ~.firefox/plugins folder and it worked.06:01
elhinto5000ok thanks06:01
mediplease, any people can help me in a programation problem?06:01
zenroxzooko, follow this one www.ubuntuguide.org06:01
tigruxzooko: OK, but what about merging your patches to a deb, and recompiling. Is it easy?06:01
zenroxright thru to the pluging install too06:01
zookoThese instructions didn't work either: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java06:02
netventuremedi: what's the prob?06:02
zooko(I'm on a hoaryish amd64...)06:02
zenroxoh06:02
zookotigrux: I've never compiled a .deb.  Well, actually I compile my kernel into debs...06:02
zenroxthats makes a difference06:02
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zookoOh wait -- I'm not going to get Sun's java going on amd64.  NEvermind.  :-{06:02
elhinto5000works if i kill esd06:02
CarlK_Keizer -woa... now lspci shows "Texas Instruments ACK 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface06:02
elhinto5000i hope after a reboot it works06:02
zookoelhinto5000: yes, I recently upgraded my hoary, and alsa sound stopped working.\06:03
Burgundaviaelhinto5000: it is trying to access /dev/dsp I bet06:03
elhinto5000how do i change it?06:03
zookothe workaround was sudo kill esd before running something that used alsa sound.  :-/06:03
medican i pass the info of an archive to a variable?06:03
elhinto5000:-\06:03
zookoI used to report things like this to debian bug tracker.06:03
medisorry, but i speak reeeeally bad english06:03
dtshow do i add entries to my applications menu?06:03
medixD06:03
zookoI would do the same for ubuntu, but I haven't been able to report bugs successfully yet...06:03
tigruxzooko: For example, I modified gnome-speech to add it support for mexican Spanish. So i made my own rpm, modifying the one of Mandrake. I don't want to loss that flexibility, that's why I'm asking a lot. :-)06:03
zookotigrux: Now I see what you want -- you want your hacked things to satisfy the dependency requirements of other packages.06:04
CarlK_Keizer - that page lists some steps that are what I did to add an Atmel card to a Warty install, so give it a shot06:04
zookoThat's definitely doable -- people do that, but I don't.06:04
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zookoMaybe a tool called "equivs" will help...06:04
zookoWhy is ubuntuguide.org not something that I was previously introduced to via ubuntu.com?06:06
dtsthis can't be a hard question, how do i modify the applications menu?06:06
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zookoOh cool -- Sun's Java *is* compiled for Linux AMD64.06:06
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tigruxzooko: Kind of, but I'm talking about creating your own patches. For example, mergeant didn't compile with gnome-db 1.2, then I created a patch for mergeant, and I uploaded my custom rpm to mandrake's incoming ftp, and it was commited. : )  That's the kind of flexibility I'm refering.06:07
zenroxwith the amd64 ver of java zooko ?06:07
xigle1what version of hoary should I use to get as little trouble as possible regarding universe repository? ?06:07
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CarlK_xigle1 - the latest ;)06:08
bhnaxigle1> the latest ;-)06:08
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xigletCarlK_: Have tried preview and array 7, both fails06:08
zookotigrux: I think you're talking about two different things: 1. your hacked package satisfies another package's dependencies, so that you are not required to install the original unhacked package in order to install the other one.  2. submitting patches to upstream to be included in new official releases.  IS that right?06:09
tigruxzooko: Or at least to a Contrib repository. Yes.06:10
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xigletguess I have to try debian or something then ... :-|06:10
zookoHm.  So you're talking about a 3rd things-- sharing your packaged hacked apps for other people to use your packages.06:11
zookoThat last thing is a bigger deal in RPM land than in Deb land.06:11
zookoPossibly because in Deb land there are semi-official packages for almost everything, so there isn't as much need for individually maintained packages.06:11
zookoHowever, the way it is done in debland is that you upload your package to a separate apt source server.06:12
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CarlK_speaking of debs, some unknown person wants to make a .deb for kRecipies and I am willig to test, but want to take proper steps to avoid a trogen - what should I do?06:12
tolleI'm having some strange problems with my Wireless network06:12
zookoThere is not a general purpose "Contrib" server space the way there is in RPMland.  Although maybe Hoary multiverse is slightly like that, but only one package of each software is kept there.  :-)06:12
zookoCarlK_: sigh06:12
tolleThe card is detected and all, and so is the accesspoint.. I just get a realy high package loss..06:12
zookoCarlK_: test it on a virginal system then wipe and reinstall operating system after testing?  :-(06:13
tolleIs there anything else that could cause it other then a broken card?06:13
zookoCarlK_: newer better ways to do this are coming -- things like Xen.06:13
CarlK_zooko - that is very doable - I install hoary over once a day06:13
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zookoCarlK_: someday, people will be amazed when we tell them that we had to do this in order to test new software safely...06:13
tolleThe card uses the ath_pci driver. So a bad driver shouldnt cause it as far as i know.06:13
CarlK_well, I try to.. just got an error ;)06:13
dtudosiehi everybody06:13
dtudosieI have an issue with my printer in hoary06:14
tigruxzooko: Interesting, I will give ubuntu a try.06:14
tigruxzooko: Thanks.06:14
CarlK_zooko - I am amazed at how many people don't test on clean boxes06:14
dtudosieafter I launch a print job, in a few seconds it shows a paused printer icon and it wont print...06:15
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setiteshit06:15
setiteit still doesnt work06:15
dtudosieanybody have an ideea ?06:15
setiteanyone wanna take a gander at my xorg.conf and tell me what im doing wrong06:15
zookoCarlK_: I guess I overlooked an already-mature way to do it: chroot06:16
zookoCarlK_: But it seems like possibly more work to do that than to reinstall the OS...06:16
dtudosieI have an epson stylus c20sx06:16
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CarlK_zooko - I was more interested in getting "the source" so that I could review and maybe even build the .deb myself06:16
CarlK_but I have no clue what it takes to build a .deb, and after reading up on it I get the feeling that isn't resonable06:17
[koji] will the final hoary release still be using the same repo?06:17
setitedoes anyone know where ps/2 or USB is preferrable06:18
setitefor mouse and keyboard06:18
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zookoxiglet: I think current hoary works fine for installing things from universe and multiverse.  Was that your question?06:18
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setitelike for gaming... is there any proof or general accepted notions that USB is faster/better/more responsive or that PS/2 is06:18
CarlK_zooko - are you up on the Moinmon markup stuff?06:18
zookoCarlK_: Nope.06:19
CarlK_oh yeah.. this is mine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall06:19
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CarlK_soon to be referenced by HandsOffInstall06:19
CarlK_once I figure out how I did it ;)06:19
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typodoes anyone know how I can make xorg do multihead with my laptop's monitor port?06:20
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appleseedanyone know what -HUP means? in regards to killall -HUP06:20
blecki'm testing the hoary-preview-live-powerpc on a G3 BW. The system (and desktop) loads but the system is extremely slowwww06:20
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CarlK_typo - not all laptops support it, and #xorg is a good place to ask06:20
zookoappleseed: different apps might interpret it differently06:20
raphaHi all!06:20
bluefoxicyWhat exactly does gcj do?06:20
DarthFrogappleseed: Basically to reprocess the config file.06:21
zookoappleseed: some servers reread their config files and then restart, when they get HUP.06:21
zookoappleseed: lots of apps die when they receive it though.  ;-)06:21
raphaHow do you get Samba to work with Hoary (sharing and also accessing other shares)? I got it installed, but starting the daemon fails ...06:21
appleseedDarthFrog,zooko: cool thanks. was just wondering :)06:21
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CarlK_appleseed - man kill has some explanation06:21
beloDRAKhi06:21
appleseedCarlK_, thanks I'll check it out06:21
DarthFrogappleseed: It is also known as SIGHUP and "kill -1".06:22
zenroxthis is just driving me nuts06:22
zenroxtakes forever gor gnome to load06:22
beloDRAKis it possible to manually add xfce into the "Sessions" option in GDM?06:22
zookozenrox: yes, amd64 version of java 1.506:22
zenroxfor gnome06:22
typoCarlK_: this one does06:22
typoCarlK_: I'm trying there, thanks06:22
zenroxand i dont have any thang RUNNING06:22
appleseedcan anyone give me their opinions on software for this setup: 2 laptops and 1 desktop. I want to setup mail and filesharing on the server, so the 2 laptops can mail eachother and store files on the server.06:22
netventurerapha: do you get any error messages when starting it?06:23
deFryskbeloDRAK, thats not needed06:23
appleseedwhat mailserver. and is iFolder the right thing to use for the file sharing?06:23
raphanetventure: no, unfortunately not06:23
deFryskit does that automaticly06:23
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Kamion[koji] : yes06:23
CarlK_damm, my append line is 293 chars...06:23
beloDRAKdeFrysk: I've installed Xfce with an installer and it isnt in the GDM06:23
KamionCarlK_: build a deb> install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'06:23
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netventurechecked /var/log/samba/log/smbd, log.nmbd ??06:24
enrico_Hello.  Does someone know of internationalised Ubuntu Live CDs?  We would like to distribute some Ubuntu live CDs in Italy, but we'd need them preset to Italian, with OOo Italian spellchecking, thesaurus and so on06:24
enrico_Does something like that already exist?06:24
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deFryskbeloDRAK, there is a repo listed in osworks.com wich works exellent on ubuntu , also docs are provided there howto set the sesiion up manually when installing with the installer06:24
raphanetventure: Unable to open printcap file06:25
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deFryskbeloDRAK, in short read the docs on os-works.com06:25
setitecan anyone look at my xorg and tell me why it wont work06:25
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raphanetventure: but creating one didn't help06:26
netventurerapha: that shouldn't really be a problem, me thinks06:26
beloDRAKdeFrysk: ok , i'll try, thnx06:26
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raphanetventure: I also saysparams.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().06:27
raphanetventure: And "params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file."06:27
terry_I am trying to install ia32-libs and I am getting this message: error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory06:27
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terry_What is it trying to link to where, or how would I find out, I tried looking through the control files of the package, but it didnt shed any light on the problem06:28
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raphaOh06:28
raphanetventure: got it started06:29
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appleseedany opinions on decent mailserver software for a small network?06:29
raphanetventure: But in "Places > Network Servers" and then "Windows Network", it doesn't even find itself ... not to speak of the Windows machine on the net06:30
DarthFrogappleseed: ubuntu defaults to using postfix, which is quite good.  I prefer, and use, exim.06:31
appleseedDarthFrog, thanks again, i'll look it up06:31
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DarthFrogappleseed: But you'll get more support for postfix as it is the Ubuntu default.06:32
jdubappleseed: go postfix. :-)06:32
appleseedDarthFrog, jdub: will do, ta :)06:32
Anubiswtf is wrong with xmms?06:33
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Anubissometimes it works sometimes it segfaults06:33
AnubisRhythmbox won't play shit06:33
netventureAnubis: try bmp06:33
netventurebeep media player06:33
Anubisdamn whats left?06:33
Anubisbmp looks ugly06:33
netventure:O06:33
CarlK_Kamion - what should I ask the maintainer to send me?  (script, make file, "the files needed so I can run debuild" )06:34
netventurexmms is GTK1.x06:34
Anubisat least with the default skin06:34
Anubisit uses winamp skins?06:34
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netventureI agree... bmp can use a few better skins06:34
deFryskAnubis, also yes06:34
netventurebut that's all that's bad06:34
KamionCarlK_: "source package"06:35
CarlK_Kamion - bingo. thanks06:36
KamionCarlK_: source packages for all packages are already in the archive, so you should rarely need to ask for it06:36
setitethis is sad.... i find myself missing windows06:36
setitewidescreen added a whole new hurdle to leap... and i keep tripping06:36
CarlK_Kamion - this is for kRecipies, a project on sf.net, that currently has no .deb .rpm .ebuild. nutin.06:36
setiteanyone know where i can get cedega cvs06:37
Kamionok06:37
setitei plan to buy it... but i cant yet... not till i get paid tomorrow06:37
zenroxsetite,  but the trippings are ok at least you get back up06:38
setiteyea well now i know how06:38
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zenroxhehehe06:38
setitetook a few hours to learn to get back up from the xorg.conf blunders06:38
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setiteim using code directly from forums06:38
setitepeople with my same problem... thats the part that is driving me nuts06:38
setitealso i love counterstrike and i cant find cedega cvs...06:39
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setiteand if i boot back to windows i wont be back for a few days... happens everytime06:39
zenroxsetite,  sine up for a free account and get the code06:39
setiteso i get the cvs from the official site06:39
plagerismquit06:39
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zenroxsetite,  yep06:39
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setitegracias06:40
zenroxsetite,  allso look at torrents to find a deb allready made06:40
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setitehey would you like to look at a portion of my xorg.conf to see if you can figure out what im doing wrong06:40
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mastergoonanyone else have problems with firefox crashing a ton on hoary?06:41
zookomastergoon: not me06:41
garrutnope, just the download problem06:41
mastergoonhmmm :\06:41
omni_lonnienope, no problems here..06:42
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knewtmy only firefox problem is something i've filed a bug report for, with a patch. but hasn't even been looked at yet06:43
zookoI have a problem that it doesn't offer a feature to cmdline open a URL in a new tab and *not* pop to front.06:43
zookoAnd a problem that it doesn't have a feature to stay running a server so that when I invoke it with -remote it will *not* pop to front.06:43
flyingsquirrel54hey, I'm brand new to ubuntu; no c compiler with def install?06:43
zooko... these are two things that galeon already does nicely for me...06:43
mastergoonapt-get install gcc06:43
knewtwell, ok, i do have another firefox problem but it's really a gtk2 bug06:43
flyingsquirrel54thx06:43
mastergoongcc-4.0 is there if you want on hoary, havent tested it much yet though06:44
zookoWhee!  I built my kernel! -rw-r--r--   1 root src  13237294 Mar 23 13:35 ./kernel-image-2.6.10_customyumyum.6.0_amd64.deb06:44
flyingsquirrel54mastergoon: how can I get a list of available? new to apt.06:44
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mastergoonflyingsquirrel54, apt-cache search gcc06:44
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flyingsquirrel54awsome. thanks.06:44
virtualddoes ubuntu do source code security auditing?06:44
TilosIs there a simple way to graphically log in to a remote Ubuntu box?06:44
mastergoonsure06:44
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arverneanybody know why usb drive don't automount anymore (on hoary with all the updates)?06:45
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SlugOhow can i get hoary live-cd to detect my cd-rom drive? it just says that No common CD-rom drive was detected06:45
virtualdgot a common cd-rom drive :P06:47
virtualdget06:47
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SlugOso my LG isn't common enough :p06:47
SlugO?06:47
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knewthmm. 4 days without acknowledgement of filed bug.06:47
Plukhi all06:47
SlugOthis seems to be a common problem with debian installers...06:48
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Burgundaviaknewt: which bug?06:48
knewtBurgundavia: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793106:48
Burgundaviaknewt: we are in cram for relase now06:48
Burgundaviaknewt: I would wait. I am certain they have seen it06:49
no0ticlast python-xdg package: python-xdg_0.9-1_all  is bugged, it crashes gdesklets starter bar06:52
no0ticthe previous version was ok06:52
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Burgundaviano0tic: there is some work being done on that right now06:54
no0ticBurgundavia: thanks, I was reporting it ;)06:55
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aLiAsYnOnYmanyone here who knows how to run Quake3 on Ubuntu ??06:56
BurgundaviaaLiAsYnOnYm: yes06:56
BurgundaviaaLiAsYnOnYm: running hoary?06:56
aLiAsYnOnYm4.1006:57
Burgundaviahmm06:57
Burgundaviawhat does it do?06:57
flyingsquirrel54trying to install perl module; is there an authoritative collection on the web?06:57
akkWHat's a "non-conventional window manager"?06:57
Burgundaviaflyingsquirrel54: cpan?06:57
Burgundaviaakk: something other than metacity06:58
akkBurgundavia: I'm using fvwm and xremote works for me in firefox, though it's been broken in mozilla since the aviary landing.06:58
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Burgundaviaakk: I don't run one of those, but add your confirmation to the bug report then06:58
Burgundaviaakk: it might move faster06:58
aLiAsYnOnYmBurgundavia do you know a web page explaining the installation etc?? i just wanted to inform me if it works before i try it myself ...06:59
akkBurgundavia: I'm reading the mozilla bug report trying to figure out what the actual bug is.06:59
akkBurgundavia: The ubuntu bug report doesn't have any details at all.06:59
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BurgundaviaaLiAsYnOnYm: I didn't isntall it06:59
KeizerCarlK_, You there?06:59
BurgundaviaaLiAsYnOnYm: I have a copy that was copied over06:59
KeizerI don't have the appropriate stuff to fix this wireless problem I believe.07:00
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KeizerHow can I execute the command to edit the network settings?07:00
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aLiAsYnOnYmBurgundavia : and that's it ?? hmm, sounds nice..07:01
akkNo, it says firefox.  Shrug.  I guess fvwm and probably icewm don't need these props, whatever they are.  Maybe it's just ion.07:01
BurgundaviaaLiAsYnOnYm: sorry I cannot help you07:01
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LeeJunFaneveryone else seeing openoffice.org broken on amd64 systems suddenly? anyone know what changed - I should pay more attention to my updates :)07:02
zookomine works.  i haven't upgraded it recently.  oops -- i think i removed it yesterday so now i might be in trouble...07:03
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KeizerI'm going to give Ubuntu one last install attempt.07:09
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Dr_Willishmmm.07:10
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roscohi07:10
Plukhi rosco07:10
roscoIs it already possible to boot the hoary preview (64)  on a plextor sata drd rewriter ?07:11
^thehatsrule^anything, is possible ;p07:11
roscoI remember that a file should be modified and recompiled for  sata dvd to work07:11
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roscokernel in fact07:12
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nasdaq7hi does anyone know how to open .wpd files?07:13
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Dr_Willisserial ata dvd? they make those?07:14
flyingsquirrel54okay, I'm brand new to debian based installs. trying to get synaptic to ease the pain. need XML:: Parser first. when I told Perl to install it, it lead me through a long list of options I did the best I can, but now it fails to compile07:15
roscoyes, but they are'nt fully recognized on linux, I should recompile the kernel, but it's hard to do it if the system isn't installed before07:16
Dr_WillisWPD = Document; PFS:WindowWorks, - i would try openoffice or abiword07:16
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Dr_Willisflyingsquirrel54,  hmm... synaptic needs that?07:16
flyingsquirrel54the problem is that the list of errors is so long I can see where the train left the track so to speak07:16
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flyingsquirrel54that's what it told me07:17
Kamionflyingsquirrel54: try installing the libxml-parser-perl package07:17
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Dr_Willisi dont revcall ever needing to install that stuff :P just apt-get install synaptic  should download all ya need.07:17
flyingsquirrel54ok from apt-get, right?07:17
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Kamionflyingsquirrel54: yes07:17
KamionDr_Willis: he was trying to use synaptic to get it, not trying to get it in order to use synaptic :)07:18
lizdeika_to be removed: libc6-i686, ubuntu-base. Is this OK ?07:18
Dr_WillisKamion,  lol :P07:18
Kamionlizdeika_: no, glibc's broken07:18
lizdeika_so better not dist-upgrade ?07:18
Kamionindeed07:18
Kamionit's been brought to the uploader's attention07:19
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o8bgreetings07:20
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o8bcan anyone tell me where i can bind packages for ubuntu07:20
o8bsorry find not bing07:21
o8bbid07:21
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shinuxD07:21
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spiralouah... no updates today ?07:22
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kevmanHey, when I try to make something, I get this error: "configure: error: Can't find X includes""07:22
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kevmanI assume I need to get the x develop package, but I don't know what package to get07:22
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VladDracbut ubuntu's lost all the karma it gained by running so smoothly on my laptop :(07:23
shinuis hoary that bad?07:23
akkkevman: apt-get build-dep for a similar X package should get all the X headers and other development requirements.07:23
VladDrachoary is great07:23
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VladDracbut the howto on the website saying a migration from sarge to hoary is possible should ber emoved07:24
BurgundaviaVladDrac: can it be fixed>07:24
shinuah...07:24
Burgundavia?07:24
shinusee what you mean07:24
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VladDracburgundavia: I didn't manage to - my fix is a reinstall (and losing my system configuration in the process)07:24
kevmanakk, what would the command be? I don't understand you.07:24
BurgundaviaVladDrac: right07:25
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BurgundaviaVladDrac: at least one other person had that07:25
akkkevman: What are you trying to build?07:25
kevmanJust a KDE theme07:25
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akkkevman: Do you have any other kde themes already installed?07:25
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kevmanNo, I just got KDE a few hours ago.07:26
apokryphosCheck into #kubuntu07:26
kevmanI think I got it...07:26
akkkevman: Try something like: apt-get build-dep kde-icons-crystal07:26
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akkkevman: using any kde theme package name.  That should get all the build requirements.07:27
kevmanWell, I'm fetching xlibs-dev now... We'll see of that works07:27
robertjhttp://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/ <-- Finally, pages to go alogn with the swfs on Rob's hall of Grumpyness ;)07:28
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robertjmdz: how many of those gripes go to Ubuntu bugzilla and how many to gnome?07:30
mdzrobertj: what gripes?07:31
Anubiskubuntu is the dumbest shit I have ever heard07:31
robertjhttp://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/ has a list of 4 complete with swf, there pretty self explanatory07:31
Anubiswhen you can obviously install KDE on Ubuntu?07:31
mdzAnubis: easy, now07:31
KamionAnubis: it's thanks to the Kubuntu guys that KDE is maintained/supported on Ubuntu07:32
kevmanWell, now I need Qt, but of course can't figurew out the package name07:32
Dr_WillisI agree with Kamion07:32
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mdzKubuntu and "KDE on Ubuntu" are essentially the same project07:32
DarthFrogAnubis: It's a proper word in Bemba, one of the Bantu languages.  Means, "to humanity".07:32
akkkevman: You know about apt-cache search and aptitude search?07:32
robertjKubuntu is a very boring project, but I don't have any problems with it07:32
neirasAnubis, GNOME gets a lot of extra love from the Ubuntu team to make it work well... KDE folks just wanted to let people know that they're doing the same for KDE07:33
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neirasI think having a separate distro name is stupid07:33
appleseedare there any good tools for configuring postfix?07:33
DarthFrogappleseed: Have a look at Webmin.07:33
kevmanakk, Yes, but they are aall like documentations and tools for developing.07:33
Dr_Williswebmin is  Handy at times.07:33
appleseedDarthFrog, does it run on ubuntu though? I've heard there's problems with it07:33
lamontappleseed: there's a webmin module, but I've never used it07:33
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lamontappleseed: fwiw, I use vi...07:34
ytrabbitHey Ubuntians! What's going on?07:34
appleseedlamont, for postfix config?07:34
kevmanlibqt3-dev?07:34
neirasDoes anyone know what the "autorun programs on newly inserted media" option in gnome-volume-manager actually runs?07:34
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akkkevman: Adding a "| grep dev" to the end of the search line is often appropriate when you're trying to find development headers.07:34
DarthFrogappleseed: I'm not aware of that.  I don't see why there should be any problems, other than the lack of a root password, though.  So if you enable a root password, I would think it would run OK.07:34
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appleseedDarthFrog, thanks, i'll have a go07:35
Dr_Willisenable the root password - befor installing webmin07:35
robertjmdz: did you take a looksy?07:35
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mdzrobertj: no, I cannot look at it right now07:35
mdzI have about 3 days of work to do today :-)07:35
Skidanyone know if asterisk is in any warty backports? I dont wanna update to horay07:35
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shai_help..?07:36
akkkevman: Those qt and gtk packages do tend to proliferate, so anything like dev that you can give grep to make the list smaller can help in searching ...07:36
crimsunSkid: why not?07:36
shai_k3b won't recognize my burner as a burner, only as a drive07:36
DarthFrogappleseed: And remember that webmin runs in https mode, even for localhost.  As I just found out. :-)07:36
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Skidcrimsun: in case something breaks? :)07:36
kevmanakk, I think I found the right package... libqt3-dev07:36
crimsunSkid: you're more likely to hit breakage in a backport07:36
appleseedDarthFrog, cheers :)07:36
Skidseeing as it's only a preview atm07:36
crimsunSkid: eh, we hit release candidate in 1 week07:37
neighbordudeis anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))07:37
lamontappleseed: yes.07:37
lamontbut I also happen to be the maintainer...07:37
InitMassanyone who play games in linux?07:37
Skidcrimsun: yep, but it doesn't definately mean it's stable :)07:37
shai_I tried to config the writer address is the CDrom address (which is the same one!) but he won't let me07:37
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SkidI've got a load of uni work to do, and I need it done asap on a working laptop heh07:38
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crimsunSkid: been fairly stable for me.  What of your experiences?  Oh wait, that's right...07:38
neighbordudeInitMass, all the time ;-)07:38
Skid..07:38
shai_anyone? please?07:38
shai_it's kinda urgent07:38
crimsunSkid: (the best way to help stabilise is of course to help test ;)07:39
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InitMassneighbordude, i like rise of nations....any thing like that for linux?07:39
Skidcrimsun: well I'm not that 'comfortable' yet, I'm still learning07:39
shai_...07:39
Skidhence why I was in here asking for help, not sarcasm07:39
crimsunSkid: I'm not throwing sarcasm at you, I'm honestly asking you to consider trying Hoary.07:40
refluxxis it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?07:40
neighbordudeInitMass, yes sorta07:40
crimsunshai_: what device is your cdr{w}?07:40
neighbordudeInitMass, there is that new one called 'glest'07:40
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drspinquick question --07:40
apokryphos7Skid: Warty is *very* dated application-wise. Security fixes etc will still happen to Warty for the 18 months of its life, but Hoary has all the new stuff.07:40
chillywillylalala07:40
drspinkillall -9 grip doesn't kill grip :/07:41
shai_dev/hdd07:41
InitMassneighbordude, i'll chech that out! any other?07:41
neighbordudeInitMass, there's another one whose name escapes me..look up real time strategy I guess at happypenguin.org07:41
Skidhm07:41
crimsundrspin: what process state is the grip process in?07:41
drspincrimsun: ??07:41
raphaFUCK!!! /opt/novell/ifolder3 $ sudo rm -rf bin include lib share /usr/ ... DAMNIT07:41
neighbordudeInitMass, I want to say its made by summer games or something weird like that..been long time so I could be way offf..just search for real time strategy07:41
crimsundrspin: ps auxww|grep grip|grep -v grep07:41
neighbordudel8r07:41
shai_crimsun... do you know what should I do?07:42
crimsunshai_: can you burn using cdrecord directly?07:42
shai_I don't even know how to check that...07:42
drspincrimsun: cole     24685  0.0  2.7 42524 14172 ?       D    01:21   0:05 grip07:42
drspincrimsun: cole     32049  0.0  1.5 18920 7740 ?        D    10:27   0:00 grip07:42
drspincrimsun: cole       670  0.0  0.1  1820  568 pts/0    S+   11:42   0:00 grep grip07:42
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Skidwhere's the page with updating to horay info? - just altering the sources list?07:42
apokryphos7shai_: man cdrecord07:42
shai_can it record a cd image?07:42
crimsunshai_: i.e., sudo cdrecord -dao dev=/dev/hdd foo.iso07:42
apokryphos7Pyre: tell Skid ubuhoary07:42
PyreSkid: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary07:42
Skidta07:43
crimsunshai_: k3b uses cdrecord as its backend07:43
shai_thanks...07:43
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InitMassneighbordude, thanx07:43
refluxxis it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?07:43
zookoArgh.  I built 2.6.10+ubuntupatches, using kernel-package, and for the .config I did this:07:43
crimsundrspin: right, so your grip processes are in uninterruptible sleep.  Is your hardware faulty?07:44
zookozcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make oldconfig07:44
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drspincrimsun: ?? I don't think so -- I don't have any other problems07:45
zookoNow when I boot to this kernel, it panics saying it can't boot the root fs.07:45
zookoHow can this be?07:45
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drspincrimsun: I also never had a problem ripping cd's in the *other* OS07:45
jeanjeanhow can i restart the fstab file ?07:46
Skidwhat'st eh horay-updates repositry for?07:46
drspinjeanjean: what are you trying to do?07:46
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jeanjeanjust mount ntfs file07:46
crimsunSkid: nothing yet, since Hoary hasn't released :-)07:46
jeanjeanbut i want to try the new fstab file07:46
Skidso what's a rc then?07:46
Skidpre-release type thing?07:46
jeanjeanhow can i restart without reboting07:47
crimsunSkid: "release candidate"07:47
crimsunSkid: i.e., "nearly there"07:47
drspinjeanjean: just sudo mount /mount/point should run that line07:47
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Skidij07:47
Skidok07:47
shai_K, the it works07:47
shai_thanks :)07:47
Skidand can i change multiverse to universe? so i dont take the non-free softwrae/07:47
Skidware07:47
crimsundrspin: what does dmesg tell you concerning your cdrom?07:47
netventurebye room07:47
crimsunSkid: just don't uncomment the multiverse line :-)07:47
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Skidbut if I want extra packages tat are in the universe rep, I can just add it  yep?07:48
apokryphosSkid: you'll want to remove "multiverse" in the first two repos there07:48
lizdeika_i was thinking and thinking.. but i finally cant remember a broken package on ubuntu :) libc6 is first ? :)07:48
drspincrimsun: hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }07:48
drspincrimsun: hdd: command error: error=0x5407:48
drspincrimsun: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 51207:48
drspincrimsun: Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 12807:48
Skidya07:48
Skidkk07:48
crimsunzooko: from where did you get /proc/config.gz?  That option isn't enabled in Ubuntu kernels; instead, use /boot/config-$(uname -r)07:48
Skidta07:48
zookocrimsun: it isn't ?07:48
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shai_say, is there any param letting me see percentage?07:48
_d4vidhi all07:48
jeanjeandrspin: how can i acces mount points with any user ?07:49
zookoKERN yumyum:~$ zdiff /proc/config.gz /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k807:49
zookoKERN yumyum:~$07:49
crimsundrspin: there you have it.07:49
zookoThat shows that the contents are the same.07:49
drspinjeanjean: umask=00007:49
zookoWhich makes me think that option *is* enabledf in ubuntu kernels.  ;-)07:49
jeanjeanok thx07:49
crimsunzooko: not in 2.6.10-5-686*07:49
andrildoes anyone know how to get rid of items on the menu?07:50
zookoKERN yumyum:~$ grep IKCONFIG /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k807:50
zookoCONFIG_IKCONFIG=y07:50
zookoCONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y07:50
drspincrimsun: so how can I kill those grip processes?07:50
zookoAnyway, this shows that the .config I used to build is identical to the config that was already booted...07:50
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gsuvegre07:51
zookoSo my inability to mount the root fs must lie elsewhere than the kernel config...07:51
crimsunzooko: the config isn't the important part.  Did you build the initrd?07:51
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gsuveganyone use tightvncserver ? me dont works under hoary.07:51
zookocrimsun: I just did "make-kpkg" to build a .deb then ran dpkg -i ./the.deb.07:51
shai_is it supposed to look like nothing happens?07:51
zookoI don't know what initrd is, I'm afraid.07:51
crimsunzooko: so you didn't pass --initrd ?07:51
zookocrimsun: no.07:51
zookopass --initrd to make-kpkg ?07:52
crimsunzooko: Ubuntu kernels use initrds.  If you didn't create one for your kernel, but you used the same config, then that's where the issue lies.07:52
zookocrimsun: Thanks a lot!  :-)07:52
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crimsundrspin: reboot.  You can't kill processes in 'D' state.07:52
zookoBy default, I assume you know what you are doing, and I07:53
zookoapologize for being so annoying. Should I abort[Ny] ?07:53
zookoheh heh heh07:53
drspincrimsun: what could be causing this?? aside from faulty hardware...07:54
crimsundrspin: sometimes bad media can do that07:55
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drspincrimsun: hmmm --- they are a low-budget band ;)07:55
drspincrimsun: and I don't have any problems with most other cd's07:55
UbooHow do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?07:56
Burgundaviaanybody else having problems with locales?07:56
crimsundrspin: might try modprobe -r ide-cd, reinsert it, turn dma on, reseat the cd, and try again07:56
crimsundrspin: I'm fairly certain you'll have to reboot, though07:57
drspincrimsun: yup - ide-cd is in use... arghhhh --- thanks for your help!07:57
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drspinbe back later07:58
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flyingsquirrel54Is synaptic installed with warthog by default?08:00
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raphaflyingsquirrel54: yes08:01
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flyingsquirrel54rapha: I just spent the longest trying to install it. how do I run it?08:02
raphaflyingsquirrel54: Well, it should be somewhere in the menu08:02
raphaHaven't used Warty in months08:02
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flyingsquirrel54can't find it.08:02
raphatype "synaptic" into a terminal then08:03
tritiumflyingsquirrel54, it's somewhere under "Computer"08:03
tritium(a submenu of it)08:03
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tritiumI too haven't used Warty in months08:03
setitezenrox08:03
flyingsquirrel54yup, computer>System config>synaptic thanks08:04
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flyingsquirrel54I was looking under apps08:04
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=== wland hi
tritiumflyingsquirrel54, :)08:04
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lindohey guys, could anyone help me, im having trouble setting up x.org08:07
UbooHow do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?08:08
appleseedanyone seen the mplayerhq.hu page? i just had a shock08:09
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CarlK_appleseed - been that way for a few weeks08:10
CarlK_shocked me too08:10
appleseedCarlK_, ahh right08:11
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TjaBBeMaybe its just some way to make people aware...08:11
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TjaBBe...of what the consequences of software patenting will be I mean...08:12
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crwebis it possible to install kde 3.4 in ubuntu?08:13
klaymhello! I'm using warty without super user rights by default (although I am the main user of this computer), and I'd like to move files to usr/lib. When I drag and drop, I get an error that I have no right to do it. How do I get this right? (it's awkward to do things via terminal using sudo)08:14
DarthFrogcrweb: Yes.  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop08:15
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DarthFrogcrweb: Or use Synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop08:15
crwebDarthFrog: ok, thanks08:15
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crwebDarthFrog: i just wanted to make sure before i installed :)08:15
mjrklaym, you don't want to move files to /usr/lib, really08:15
DarthFrogcrweb: I'm running it right now.  You could also install Kubuntu from CD.08:15
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klaymmjr: why not?08:16
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crwebDarthFrog: ok...   any idea's on if i'm going to like kubuntu? as I seem to be a total gentoo fanatic08:16
crweberr, i ment ubuntu08:16
mjrklaym, bad idea maintainability-wise08:16
klaymI'm trying to install a program that came as a .gz file, and it has folders named 'usr' 'lib' 'etc' and I guess I should place those files into adequate folders08:17
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mjrklaym, besides, /usr/lib is for proper packages basically, /usr/local/lib is more for self-installed stuff08:17
njanheya, zeedo08:17
DarthFrogcrweb: Ubuntu is a superb desktop Debian, runs Gnome by default.  If you dislike Debian, you might not like Gnome.08:17
DarthFrogcrweb: Er, Ubuntu, not Gnome.08:17
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DarthFrogklaym: Does it have an install file?08:18
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crwebDarthFrog: i don't dislike debian,  it def. works and gets the job done.  Just some little things that get on my nerves.08:18
DarthFrogklaym: It's somewhat unlikely that you should have to do that stuff manually.08:18
mjrklaym, anyway, to answer your question, you can say "sudo nautilus", and have a root nautilus. But still a bad idea.08:18
DarthFrogcrweb: Well, approach Ubuntu with an open mind.  Read the manifesto, first.  See if you agree with it.08:19
klaymit's Ganim8 that I'm trying to install. the .gz only has a bin -folder and a usr -folder08:19
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sgtstadankohas anyone been able to get the exchange connector working in 5.04 preview08:19
bwlangklaym: let me encourage you NOT to start putting files all over the place... that's why you have a package manger.  Turn it into a deb.  Or use stow if you must.08:20
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tritiumsgtstadanko, I haven't yet, and I'm doing daily updates, so I've got newer than just the preview08:20
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sgtstadankotritium, yeah the exchange storage just dies everytime I try and connect08:21
tritiumsame here08:21
DarthFrogklaym: And if you absolutely insist on doing it by hand, put them in /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/bin, instead.08:22
neirasI think klaym's problem is, he is thinking in the "Windows" way - that is, "to install something I just unpack it and drop it in a folder somewhere"08:22
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drspincrimsun, going through dmesg after my reboot I see a couple interesting things... "ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later"08:23
jeanjeanwhat's a good mp3 player for ubuntu08:24
gsuvegxmms08:24
jeanjeanxmms hang on plaing mp3 from ntfs data disk08:24
UbooHow do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool?08:24
keffowhats your recommended app using.. like an replacement for windows daemontools08:24
jeanjeanUboo: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:24
Zotnixkeffo, mount08:25
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keffoguess theres some problem with safedisc etc08:25
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drspincrimsun, I also noticed that the kernel is assuming 33mhz bus :( ew! I'm going to fix that and brb08:25
keizerCarlK_, Beep08:26
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keizerI'm in Ubuntu finally08:26
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keizerI had to download the x11 packages with Aptitude and blam it works08:26
klaymok thank you people. I'll try to find a way to install it08:26
keizerI'm not sure how much hacking i'll need to do to get the wireless network to work.08:26
bwlangjeanjean: i'm liking amarok... it's one of the full featured ones.08:26
keizerI'm online with Ethernet right now.08:26
apokryphosbwlang: Yup, it's great. :)08:26
lucas_hello08:26
apokryphosHi08:27
lucas_i vane problems with my printer, who cen help me?08:27
lucas_i've installed ubuntu and almost everything is fine but my printer doesn't work08:28
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akkWhat's ubuntu's printer configuration app, anyway?08:29
akkThe CUPS admin page (html) doesn't seem to work.08:29
keffono hoary updates today?08:29
akkand printconf isn't installed on hoary, so there must be another app that does something similar.08:29
neirasakk - using GNOME?08:29
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lucas_i use gnome08:30
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lucas_and ther is something like System Configuration --> printing08:30
akkneiras: No, not currently.  But in gnome the admin menus don't work anyway (apparently there's some problem with the gtk sudo?)08:30
neirasThey work fine for everyone in the office here08:30
lucas_but when i'm trying to get there, it's impossible08:31
neirasUnder Hoary08:31
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akkneiras: I talked to someone last night, and apparently there's a known bug, since fixed (but I haven't dist-upgraded yet)08:31
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keffono hoary updates today?08:31
lucas_something wrond with cups server or something like that08:31
saaxhello i have a .deb file and cant open it HELP08:31
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akkneiras: All the apps worked if I called them up by hand from a root shell, just not from the menus or gksudo08:32
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akkneiras: But finding the right app to run isn't always obvious.08:32
typohow do I force apt to install a version that's a downgrade?08:32
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alexwillmergood evening all, on Warty libqt-dev and other libraries seem not to provide .so symlinks without the major version eg I have /usr/lib/libqt.so.3 but not /usr/lib/libqt.so, Is this by design?08:33
lucas_The CUPS server could not be contacted - that is showning when i try to get there08:33
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alexwillmersaax, how are you trying to open the deb?08:34
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klaymcan anyone recommend an animation program from ubuntu repositories?08:35
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gsuvegklaym: what like anymation ? blender ?08:36
aj1anyone out there networking a mac with their linux box?08:36
desrtaj1; i have 3 macs that run linux08:36
klaymjust to stitch together photos, set the framerate and compile as mpg08:37
klaymand add sound08:37
desrtoh.  not what you want.  nm08:37
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alexwillmerklaym: mplayer might be able to do that, one sec08:37
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Lfreezehey hey08:38
thundrcleezehi08:38
aj1desrt: looking for some help getting my ibook to see beige box08:38
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Lfreezedoes anyone happen to know the default root password for hoary hedgehog?08:38
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keffoLfreeze, there is no08:38
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keffoset one yourself08:38
thundrcleezeyes, nothing08:38
Quinn_StormLfreeze: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo08:38
keffosudo passwd08:38
Lfreezeno superuser account?08:39
thundrcleezeor just sudo everything, that's the default behavior08:39
thundrcleezeso rather than su to run synaptic, just "sudo synaptic" and enter your user password.08:39
alexwillmerklaym: transcode can do, it's almost certainly in the repositories: use im import filter08:40
keffohe can just do sudo passwd etc08:40
Lfreezetops... got it...08:40
apokryphosOr, better -- don't use terminal at all. Use gksudo or kdesu from Alt + F208:40
klaymalexwillmer: thanks, will try08:40
alexwillmerhttp://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Import_Modules/Import_Imlist08:40
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Lfreezethanks.08:41
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typodoes hoary support alcatel usb dsl modems?08:42
piranhahola08:43
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piranhaalguien tiene sintonizadora tv pixelviuw08:43
vaticanooigan se puede instalar un servidor de paginas web desde ubuntu???08:44
typois upgrading sid to hoary a good idea or should I install from scratch without overwriting /home?08:45
apokryphostypo: It is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories.08:45
apokryphosSeveral have encountered problems though; it's worth searching the site to see those.08:45
Quinn_Stormapokryphos: question, once hoary goes gold and a new dev branch opens up, will it be easy to switch sources over and keep tracking the most recent packages?08:46
AnubisI have a mp3 on my desktop08:46
Anubisbut there is no icon for it?08:46
AnubisI don't even see it08:46
typoapokryphos: reinstalling is probably a better idea then08:46
Anubiswtf is going wrong with my system?08:46
apokryphosQuinn_Storm: switch sources to what exaclty? The new dev branch?08:46
apokryphostypo: certainly, yes.08:46
KamionQuinn_Storm: same as it was when warty released; you'll be able to do it, though it'll be very very unstable for a while08:46
Anubisubuntu has been working well for me08:47
alexwillmerAnubis: you mean that yo have an mp3 file, but nothing will play it and the icon is just something plain?08:47
Quinn_Stormapokryphos: yeah08:47
apokryphosTo Grumpy, yes. :D08:47
b00gieAnubis, try ctrl+r08:47
Anubisbut all of a sudden08:47
Quinn_Stormgrumpy? oh, has the new one been named?08:47
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Anubisalexwillmer, no08:47
Anubisb00gie, thanks08:47
KamionQuinn_Storm: yes, but it won't be "grumpy"08:47
apokryphosoh?08:47
Anubisb00gie, how come clean up by name did not refresh?08:47
flyingsquirrel54Is there a way I can make gnome show a folder I open in the same window08:48
Quinn_StormKamion: what will it be?08:48
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thundrcleezeyes, flyingsquirrel5408:48
KamionQuinn_Storm,apokryphos: apparently neither of you read the ubuntu-announce list ;)08:48
Quinn_StormKamion: I should but I don't08:48
Kamionhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html08:48
apokryphosKamion: only recently subscribed.08:48
b00gieAnubis, i dont think that refresh the desktop08:48
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apokryphosKamakazie: Breezy. I like it better. ;-)08:49
flyingsquirrel54thundrcleeze: how??08:49
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thundrcleezeI'm trying to remember, I think it might be in the ubuntu guide.  I'll check.08:49
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/133.html08:49
holycowhey guys, i'm running the gubuntu 2.10 live cd... theoretically the user name and pass are 'ubuntu', and i assumed the root pass is 'ubuntu' as well but ...08:50
thundrcleezeflyingsquirrel54, http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindownautilus08:50
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holycowwhen i log out i cannot login with ubuntu/ubuntu, and i certainly cannnot su - to root with ubuntu pass08:50
holycowanyone else run into this?08:50
setitezenrox you there08:50
Quinn_Stormholycow: ubuntu doesn't have a root pass.08:50
Quinn_Stormholycow: it uses sudo by default08:51
Kamionthe user's password on the live CD is disabled; if you managed to log out such that you got asked for it, that's a bug08:51
apokryphosKamion: I'm a little confused. Just what si Grumpy, then?08:51
Kamionapokryphos: an old codename for 5.1008:51
apokryphos*is08:51
setiteanyone know where i can get point2play-small08:51
apokryphosah08:51
Kamionapokryphos: grumpy will be used for another project, eventually08:52
holycowoh!08:52
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holycowQuinn_Storm, danke08:52
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setiteUbuntu Grumpy Griffin08:52
Quinn_Stormlol...a grumpy griffin...that's a good image08:52
apokryphosKamion: I think I'll update the wiki with that.08:52
setiteyup08:52
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thundrcleezeI thought it was grumpy groundhog.08:52
apokryphoswith Breezy note, that is.08:53
Kamionapokryphos: please do, yes08:53
setiteground hog08:53
Kamionthundrcleeze: it *was*08:53
setiteno mroe hogs!!!!08:53
thundrcleezeWhen did it change?08:53
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Kamionthundrcleeze: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html08:53
HelloWorldhi guys08:53
setitedown with the hogs!08:53
HelloWorldwhat happened to boot-admin, from gnome-system-tools?08:53
setitegriffons rock... groundhocks... dont08:53
setitehogs*08:53
HelloWorldhelp files are present, the backends are present, the .glade file is there too08:53
HelloWorldbut there is no "boot-admin" executable08:54
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apokryphosthundrcleeze: see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html08:54
flyingsquirrel54awsome!!!! BTW I used thundrcleeze's info nice and simple the way I like it!08:54
EinzelgangerCan someone confirm that in totem-xine, the following url makes totem take 100% cpu, and the buttons don't react anymore, while xine (from xine-ui) plays fine: http://streams.planet.nl/cgi-bin/reflector.cgi?source=195.121.7.100&stream=TKStream3&title=Tweede%20Kamer%20der%20Staten-Generaal08:54
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flyingsquirrel54thanks all.08:54
thundrcleezeyou're welcome, flyingsquirrel5408:56
zaneI m running ubuntu at the moment and trying to get kubuntu through apt-get.. when i type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, i get an error.. its says cant find package kubuntu-desktop.. any ideas?08:56
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apokryphoszane: are you on warty?08:56
zaneyes.. i have ubutu 4.1008:57
apokryphosPyre: tell zane ubukde08:57
Pyrezane: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE08:57
HelloWorldi am on hoary, and i have no UI to manage grub08:57
apokryphoszane: That should explain it all.08:57
zaneoh.. thanx man08:57
apokryphosnp :)08:58
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vaticanodonde encuentro manuales de ubuntu???09:00
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thundrcleezeI'm running hoary, and when I try to use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop as descriped in the wiki, it want to remove xserver-xfree86, is that safe?09:01
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apokryphosthundrcleeze: it'll install xserver-xorg. Yes, it's fine.09:01
Quinn_Stormthundrcleeze: you should be using xserver-xorg, so yeah its fine09:01
b00giethundrcleeze hoary use xorg by default09:01
thundrcleezeOf course.09:01
faux_is inotify enabled by default in the newest ubuntu kernelns, or is it still disabled?09:02
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flyingsquirrel54where can one find ubuntu manuals?09:02
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Tycho451Where is the "at" key (like in every email address)? It used to be CTRL+ALT+Q in Windows.09:02
DarthFrogflyingsquirrel54: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/09:03
apokryphosflyingsquirrel54: the Wiki in general is very very useful.09:03
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flyingsquirrel54vaticano: aqui esta su respuesta: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/09:03
flyingsquirrel54thanks, I did a little translating there :)09:04
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PacoBCNso, what's up?09:04
JDahlafter I installed Hoary Preview instead of Debian on my work machine network speed has dropped alot. Now I get transfer rates of around 60-70kb/s over lan. Ifconfig shows 1029 errors out of 224000 transmitted packages and 21500 collisions - that's not bad, is it?09:04
PacoBCNI finally found a CMS for what I needed and can be back to the chat :)09:05
whittiHow do I switch sound capibility from my onboard sound to a Creative sound card?09:05
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KeizerThis Ubuntu is kinda tight09:05
whitti(in warty)09:05
KeizerI like it09:05
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Fl-i-nThi all09:06
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whittiHiya09:06
thundrcleezehi09:06
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, yeah good evening you alright?09:07
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drspincrimsun: I was using bad hdparm options for my drive (d1u1c1) -- oops!09:08
aj1anyone know of a good jukebox app? music players ripping cd's at 2x...09:09
CarlK_man rsync says "rsync  [OPTION] ... SRC [SRC] ..." but I can't get multiple SRC's working: http://www.sql-servers.com/nopaste/?show=178709:09
Fl-i-nTaj1 xmms?09:09
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holycowwell i gotta say, this ubuntu/gnome 2.10 live cd is a pleasure09:10
holycowi love have a pure debian/gnome environment for system recovery09:10
aj1Fl-i-nT: yeah it's an oldie but goodie09:11
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aj1was wondering if there's a new sheriff in town09:11
Fl-i-nTaj1, sorry abit uneducated i dont knmow!09:11
apokryphosquery Pyre09:11
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alexwillmeris there an Ubuntu equivalent to rpm --whatprovides /some/file which discovers the package which installed a given file?09:13
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typowhat's the kernel version in hoary?09:13
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crimsundrspin: zing!  That would certainly do it.09:14
apokryphostypo: 2.6.1009:14
drspincrimsun: thanks for the help :)09:14
crimsunnp09:14
typoapokryphos: ok, thanks09:14
drspinwhy is one of my CD drives "blacklisted"??09:14
typoapokryphos: how about S3/S4 suspend, is it supported?09:14
soukialexwillmer: dpkg -S /blabla/bla09:15
apokryphostypo: no idea09:15
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alexwillmersouki, cheers09:15
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UbooI've run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it my preferable setting was 1600x1200@75, but even then after I restart xorg, the refresh rate is still at 60. What do I do? The xorg.conf seems to be right and had VertRefresh 50-85. Using the config tool doesn't help because it only gives me 60Hz as an option.09:16
typoapokryphos: do ubuntu kernels have ipw2100 installed?09:16
whittiI have a question regarding sound in Warty: How can I switch between the onboard sound and a Creative sound card?09:16
thundrcleezeIs there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?09:17
apokryphostypo: No idea again; I really don't know anything about Ubu's kernel. Might be worth checking on the Wiki.09:17
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soukitypo: ipw2100 yes09:17
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thundrcleezeUboo, to get it to work for me, I had to delete the vertrefresh and horizrefresh lines from the xorg config.09:18
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UbooI'll try that. Thanks.09:18
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thundrcleezeUboo: (make a backup first)09:19
UbooOf course. ;)09:19
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zookoWhat, if anything, does Ubuntu use kernel capabilities for?09:20
typoapokryphos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM, looks like it does09:20
typosouki: thanks09:20
zooko(Yes, I've gotten my custom kernel to boot, so now I have this problem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelDoesNotSupportCapabilities)09:20
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saaxany1 know how to install fluxbox ?' please help09:20
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typodoes anyone know if there are any plans to support WPA/802.11x (wireless security) integrated with gnome?09:21
andrilbay all09:22
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Laivinanyone know why after a fresh install of 4.10, it displays all the startup stuff fine, but then when it should show the login screen, it is either just black, a light shade of brown over the whole screen, or white?09:22
UbooCan I run Konqueror on Gnome?09:23
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marcin_anthi all09:23
SeveasUboo, yes09:23
marcin_antI still got problems with printer09:23
UbooSeveas: How do I set it as my default file browser then?09:24
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Seveasdunno09:24
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Seveasbut you can use it :)09:24
UbooThanks anyway.09:24
marcin_antand still printer sharing is unresolved09:24
marcin_antbut today I got all hardware on my desktop09:24
UbooAre there any good alternatives to nautilus designed for gnome?09:24
marcin_antand I really would like to make this working09:25
Seveaswhy not use nautilus?09:25
marcin_antso my problem is09:25
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thundrcleezeIs there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?09:25
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marcin_antthat I have two desktops with ubuntu and there is a printer connected to let's call "ubuntu1"09:25
amir_Hey, why does the update icon always fails my root login on hoary?09:25
UbooSeveas: Because I can't get it to work how I want it to. I want it to use the webpage view but not have that annoying toolbar.09:25
marcin_antand I would like to share this printer to "ubuntu2"09:25
amir_s/fails/fail/09:25
marcin_antcould someone help me with this?09:26
Seveasamir_, use YOUR login, it uses gksudo09:26
amir_seveas, oops.. sorry about that. thanks!09:26
amir_do the marillat mplayer sources install well on ubuntu?09:27
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marcin_antany ubuntu user with shared printer on this channel?09:27
zookoamir_: I use mplayer from marillat on ubuntu.  64 bit, too.09:27
amir_zooko, wow, cool.09:27
amir_im using an amd64 install as well.09:28
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theantixmarcin_ant, I have tried and failed to get it working reliably09:28
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marcin_anttheantix: with cups?09:28
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bwlanganybody know how to modify a pdf file... i need to rotate pages and remove some pages... freshmeat has nothing for "pdf edit"09:29
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pv_pdfjam09:29
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theantixmarcin_ant,  with gnome-cups-manager on warty09:30
marcin_anttheantix: I see09:30
marcin_anttheantix: then question09:30
marcin_anttheantix: you had to add network printers?09:30
marcin_anttheantix: or maybe shared printers in lan are discovered automagically?09:31
theantixmarcin_ant, yes I tried that, and also to share a local printer -- neither worked reliably -- I didn't see any discovered automagically09:31
amir_is the groovy 3 persons in a ubuntu logo stance jpg availabe in the default hoary install? if not, is it apt-gettable in some art package?09:32
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Burkhi09:32
marcin_anttheantix: but worked for a while?09:32
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Seveasamir_ apt get install ubuntu-calendar-october (and november etc, up to march)09:32
marcin_anttheantix: (I ask because I wasn't able to print anything)09:32
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amir_thanks again :)09:33
Seveasamit, and install unbuntu0calendar itself too :)09:33
SoRcEtTawhat about links2 ? is it apt-get supported ?09:33
scottanyone know if the gnome 2.10 livecd is using ubuntu?09:33
amir_Seveas, will do :)09:33
Seveasscott, it is09:33
Biafrais it possible to install packages meant for Debian on Ubuntu?09:33
SeveasBiafra, possible: yes, sensible: usually not09:34
Burkguys, looks like 16:10 widescreen wallpapers are not that popular...do you know a site where I could find some? (I could crop&resize...but I'm pretty lazy :p )09:34
scottSeveas, do you know what version? cause the latest gnoppix doesn't work properly w/ my screen and the gnome 2.10 live cd works great.09:34
bwlangBiafra: yes... but it can hurt you... the dependencies sometimes don't match up.09:34
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Seveasscott, it is ubuntu hoary preview09:34
Seveas(afaik)09:34
soukiBurk: the macosx wallpaers are good09:34
scottcan you install off the livecd or is it better to get the installation cd?09:34
theantixmarcin_ant, yes it worked for a while09:34
Burksouki: where I could find them?09:35
Seveasyou cannot install from a livecd09:35
warmfreezegrr ..for some reason the update killed my network connection ..09:35
soukiBurk: I've got them but I don't remember where09:35
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Burkoh..found a good site: http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/widescreenselection.htm09:36
guillaumeirc://irc.lucidflux.com/whereswarez09:36
robl^does Ubuntu work well with laptops?  (power management, LCD, PCMCIA) without lots of tweaking?09:36
BiafraDoes anyone know if the soon-to-be-released pressed CDs of hoary will include both GNOME and KDE?09:36
syn-ackrobl^: I think thats where it shines the best09:36
Fackamatorobl^: yup09:36
FackamatoSYN09:36
syn-ackBiafra: No, thats what kubuntu is09:36
syn-ackFackamato: how goes?09:36
Fackamatotime out :/09:36
Fackamato:P09:36
syn-ack;P09:37
BiafraWill there be pressed CDs of Kubuntu coming out?09:37
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Fackamatohopefully not :P09:37
Seveasrobl^, i run warty and hoary in two differnet laptops09:37
Seveasworks like a charm, but hoary is definitely better09:37
Seveas(acpi problems with warty kernels)09:37
scottanyone used ubuntu on Thinkpad T40? (or T41/42) I'm wondeirng, like robl, how well it works out of the box w/o changing anything09:37
syn-ackscott: should work fine.09:37
HcEscott: I use Debian Sid on a T40p now, works like a charm09:37
HcEabout the same as Ubuntu Warty09:38
robl^syn-ack & Fackamato: great!  That's my major gripe with stock Debian at the moment. You've convinced me to give it a try09:38
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scottHcE, i've been reading the instructions on linux-on-laptops.com but they're old and there's tons of tweaking09:38
syn-ack I had a Compaq Presario 2535 QV and it ran very well09:38
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HcEscott: everything works for me "out-of-the-box"09:38
scottcool09:38
HcEscott: if you got a atheros wlan-card you'll need the atheros driver from sf.net09:38
HcEI have not tested suspend to ram/disk though09:39
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scottHcE, I still need to decide on which wifi card to buy, the intel 2200 or the atheros09:39
pixmanHello09:39
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black_Nightmarehey there09:39
HcEscott: I have the atheros 802.11a/b/g09:39
pixmanAnyone experienced problems with smb:/// in nautilus since today's samba update?09:39
scottHcE, isn't it supposed to suspend when you shut the lid? you never do that?09:39
robl^syn-ack: this is a Dell Inspiron 8500 with a 19200x1200 wide screen LCD09:39
pixmanor libsmbclient perhaps09:39
pixmandoesn't work anymore09:40
HcEscott: it turns of the light on the LCD09:40
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syn-ackrobl^: nice.09:40
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HcEscott: and ATI driver sucks, but they are a bit better now09:40
black_Nightmareanyone seen my canadian friend??? lol09:40
mjrHcE, hmh, atheros drivers are included in ubuntu (in the linux-restricted-modules package)09:40
HcEmjr: you'll probably want to grab CVS some times a week09:41
HcEthey are so absolutly not stable yet :P09:41
mjrI dunno09:41
HcEspeaking of which *cvs update*09:41
scottHcE, why do the ATI drivers suck? I still haven't gotten the laptop yet actually, it should be here saturday09:41
syn-ackI have the atheros drivers loaded, ATM ;)09:42
Biafraanother general question: which format is better: ext*, reiserFS, JFS, or XFS?09:42
mjrI've watched a dvb stream redirected over ssh with warty's atheros drivers for several hours with no problems ;)09:42
HrdwrBoBit depends on your requirements09:42
HrdwrBoBext3 is the most common and most widely supported09:42
scottare there packages for beagle in ubuntu?09:42
setiteis it worth it to try and get cedega working under ubuntu6409:42
HcEscott: It's good on my display, but TV-out and secondary display is still a bit of a mystery. I get secondary to work, but I have to tweak alot09:42
syn-ackI personally am going to start using XFS09:42
setiteits proving to be a truly frustrating process09:42
mjrBiafra, generally, I'd not recommend reiserfs for its lesser stability track record; ext3 is a good basic choice09:42
mjrxfs and jfs might provide benefits for high-end use09:43
Seveasscott, beagle is being worked on for the next release09:43
apokryphossyn-ack: Nope. Kubuntu has only KDE; no Gnome.09:43
Burkwhat will follow array cd7? the final release'09:43
Burk?09:43
syn-ackapokryphos: Im quite aware of that09:44
setitekubuntu09:44
setiteXFS09:44
setitewhats the x09:44
setitextreme09:44
stazzBiafra: You can't go wrong with reiserfs.09:44
marcin_anttheantix: then next question again09:44
setitexantifical09:44
syn-ackstazz: sure you can.09:44
Biaframy ubuntu comp (Cyrix M-II 300 with 96MB of memory) has 3 HDDs and one CDROM. I have it currently setup as folows:09:44
apokryphossyn-ack: you implied otherwise, but nevermind.09:44
warmfreezeso . who came up with this ubuntu idea anyway ?09:44
stazzsyn-ack: the current situation is pretty good, the random-crash-thingies are past.09:44
HrdwrBoBstazz: I would say you can't go wrong with ext309:44
syn-ackstazz: heh09:45
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HrdwrBoBanything else makes your system nonstandard09:45
setitek ubuntu09:45
setitek k ubuntu09:45
stazzsyn-ack: really.. reiserfs is currently considered quite stable.09:45
setiteku kubuntu09:45
setiteku ku kubuntu09:45
marcin_anttheantix: I got gnome-cups-manager09:45
marcin_anttheantix: and "add a printer" dialog09:45
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Biafrahda (1GB drive): hda1 135MB mounted as /boot using ext309:46
syn-ackmount: only root can do that09:46
setiteanyone running cedega with point2play on a 64bit platform?09:46
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warmfreezeis there a PPC version of ubuntu ?09:46
apokryphosBurk: Release Candidate will follow.09:46
mjrwarmfreeze, yes indeed09:46
marcin_anttheantix: and Printer Type I choose "Network printer-> CUPS pinter IPP"09:46
warmfreezeyay!09:46
Biafrahda (1GB drive): hda2 rest of the drive as a raid member09:46
black_Nightmarewarmfreeze...look at the download list09:46
marcin_anttheantix: and very important thing is09:46
black_Nightmareits already there ;009:46
marcin_anttheantix: what is URI ?09:46
scottSeveas, do you know when the next release (or beta/preview) is supposed to be?09:46
Biaframy other 2 drives (hdb, a 4GB drive and hdd, a 3GB drive) are also raid members09:47
Burkapokryphos: release candidate is the step before the final 5.04 rel?09:47
warmfreezei got it now . i dident see it earlier .. tnx!09:47
Seveasscott, october 2005, there is a release every 6 months09:47
apokryphosBurk: Yes. See: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule09:47
syn-ackstazz: root@Jupiter:/home/meskes # df -HT /dev/sda209:47
syn-ackFilesystem    Type     Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on09:47
syn-ack/dev/sda2 reiserfs     122G   4.0G   119G   4% /09:47
syn-ackI know. ;)09:47
stazzsyn-ack :D09:47
Biafraall my raid members are setup together as a RAID0 device09:47
marcin_anttheantix: could you tell me what is URI on your system?09:47
Burkok, tnx apokryphos ;)09:47
theantixmarcin_ant, I used IP address09:47
Biafrawhich is setup for lvm09:47
scottSeveas, oh, but how often do they come out with the previews? I used to run debian unstable and it was always changing. is that how ubuntu is?09:48
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syn-ackstazz: Im going to migrate to XFS here soon and then set up LVM when I get another drive for it.09:48
UbooIf I trie Kubuntu and decided to go back to gnome, is there a real need to uninstall kubuntu? If I want to anyway, how will I be able to track all the packages that were installed because kubuntu-desktop wanted them?09:48
stazzsyn-ack: I recommend staying away from XFS, from personal experience.09:48
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Biafrain lvm i configured one VG (Goldeneye) and 2 PVs09:48
kalahi09:48
Anubisnothing but problems today09:49
kalacan i make a question?09:49
Anubisnow my gnome-panel is acting shitty09:49
stazzkala: shoot09:49
kalaeh, ubuntu is great :P09:49
HrdwrBoBkala: don't ask to ask, as09:49
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HrdwrBoBask09:49
Biafrapv1 (TransientData) 235MB swap09:49
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: Where else do I know you from?09:49
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apokryphosUboo: You can of course run both KDE and Gnome. You can remove all kubuntu stuff after if you decide that you don't want it, yes.09:49
kalai don't know how, but i've lost the default mouse pointers09:49
Anubishoary developmental was more stable than whats comming out these last few updates09:49
phxguyanyone know where gtk themes go??09:49
HrdwrBoBsyn-ack: ooh could be anywhere; I get around09:49
SoRcEtTawhy ubuntu is so great ?09:49
kalalike the circle waiting one09:49
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: undernet? #linux?09:50
SoRcEtTaand mepis ?09:50
Biafrapv2 (Storage) the remainder of the available lvm space mounted as /09:50
AnubisThe gaim panel icon just stopped working09:50
HrdwrBoBI'm on ozorg freenode09:50
setiteok back to windows i go for some CS Source09:50
Anubiswtf is happening?09:50
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Biafraand formatted as reiserfs09:50
Biafraanyone miss anything?09:50
Anubisshit is just breaking09:50
kalaok, i'll ask again: how can i reinstall the default ubuntu mouse pointers?09:51
neighbordudeis anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))09:51
Anubisgnome desktop no longer refreshes by itself09:51
HrdwrBoBkala: do you know the files you removed?09:51
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kalai haven't removed any file09:51
Ubooapokryphos: Ok, so how do I make it remove all the packages it installed with it? I don't want all the crap on my computer. Will telling synaptic to uninstall kubuntu-desktop also uninstall all the other packages it installed because of depedency?09:51
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Anubisneighbordude, check your bpp is it 24bpp09:51
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Anubis16bpp make firefox crash09:51
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kalai installed and they weren't there. i know they exist coz i installed it in other computer09:52
apokryphosUboo: "crap"... err, sure. Ahem. No, kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; it depends upon other things, not vice versa.09:52
NetGeekthe latest apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-base, is that bad?09:52
apokryphosNetGeek: No :)09:52
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apokryphosNetGeek: it is but a metapackage.09:52
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crymsanhey everyone09:53
kaladoes anyone know which is the package with the cursors?09:53
kalahi09:53
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Ubooapokryphos: What I mean is... when I wanted to install kubuntu-desktop it installed a lot of other packages as well. Will telling synaptic to uninstall the kubuntu-desktop package also uninstall all the other packages it installed?09:53
NetGeekit also wants to remove libc6-686, and replace it with libc609:53
apokryphosUboo: And as I said: no. It's a metapackage. It's not a "real" package; it only depends upon other things and drags them in.09:54
Biafrawould it be adviseable to reinstall and use xfs for my / partition?09:54
Burkguys, on April I'll get a laptop as present, probably Toshiba Sat m30x-161. I'm trying out the ubuntu live cd...that's absolutely the best linux I've ever been with (tested: mandrake, red hat, suse and freebsd). Of course laptop will be equipped with winxp installed. do you advice me to resize partition with partition magic or make a good old format and repartitioning from zero? also: how would you divide a 80GB hd?09:54
Ubooapokryphos: So how will I be able to remove all of those packages?09:54
kalaok, i gotta go, but i'll be back :P09:55
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phxguyI have a usb stick which is formatted vfat. how can I format it to something else??09:56
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maxcheeIs anyone aware of a gnome-vfs plugin that can open compressed file?09:56
amir_phxguy, mkdosfs09:56
mjrphxguy, unmount it and mke2fs (for example, for ext2/3)09:56
maxcheephxguy: you need to go to your usbstick manufacturer's website09:56
apokryphosubuntulog: man debfoster09:56
apokryphosubuntulog: sorry, wasn't meant to be to you.09:57
amir_maxchee, no he doesn't.09:57
mjroh, also, some memory sticks reportedly resist reformatting, but I don't know about that09:57
amir_phxguy, just type mkfs.<tab><tab> on the command line.09:57
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maxcheeamir_: see mrj09:57
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maxcheeamir_: see mjr09:57
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phxguyamir do i need to speciify /dev/sda1 in that command?09:59
amir_maxchee, i've used quite a few UMS devices and never saw one.09:59
amir_phxguy, yup!09:59
SlavenWhere can I select which greeter should be the 'default' one? appearantly, simply putting gdm in rc doesn't work. it needs to be the default greeter.09:59
maxcheeamir_: but if the formatting fails, then...09:59
phxguywhat format types are available?09:59
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maxcheephxguy: why do you have to reformat?09:59
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amir_phxguy, fat16, fat32, ext2, ext3.. if you want linux only you probably want ext3.10:00
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, sorry i had to get fish and ships how are you this evening?10:00
maxcheephxguy: Is your usb stick broken?10:00
phxguynope10:00
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apokryphosFl-i-nT: Very well thanks; all good. :)10:00
amir_phxguy, for example: mke2fs -j /dev/sda110:00
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A-starhi everyone10:00
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maxcheephxguy: ext3 cannot be read on windows10:00
Jesteraceheh i leave my usb stick as vfat10:00
Jesteracejust so i can read it in all os's i use10:00
InitMassis there any good benchmark app for linux?10:00
amir_i tend to agree with them, phxguy. you might as well format it with FAT16.10:00
crymsanhey all, quick question, just about to try ubuntu for the first time (usually debian) and trying to install hoary preview, but can't boot the cd, and yes I did burn it properly10:00
crymsanany ideas?10:01
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, are yuo at college still or out for a gap year?10:01
Slavenmaxchee: yes it can. with the proper drivers.10:01
phxguyi dont want this usb stick read on windows....10:01
apokryphosFl-i-nT: Last year sixth-form.10:01
Burkcu next time ;)10:01
Bazzihi, I've got a quick question, which packages do I need to build a kernel driver module? linux-source and linux-headers should be sufficient, shouldn't they?10:01
amir_phxguy, if you don't then you can use ext3. see above :)10:01
amir_anyways gotta go.10:01
maxcheeSlaven: that's true, although I seriously doubt that you can install a ext3 driver onto corporate computers without some serious justification10:01
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Slavenheh. nope.10:01
Fl-i-nTapokryphos, sweet what options did you take?10:01
amir_cya10:01
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Slavensorry for just breaking in to conversation, then. didn't grasp the context.10:02
phxguyamir so will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make it ext3 ??10:02
Slavennoone can help me with the greeter thingy?10:02
maxcheeSlaven: ?10:02
A-starWell I use a program which comes in a zip file to do that.10:02
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Slavenmaxchee: I'm wondering how I choose default greeters (like gdm,kdm...)10:03
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phxguymaxchee:  will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make the drive formatted in ext3 ??10:03
Jesteracephxguy, yes10:03
phxguythanks10:03
Jesteracemkefs without the -j will make it ext210:03
maxcheeSystem/Admin/Login Screen Setup10:03
A-stardo a search on explore2fs, then you can read ext3 and ext2 partition under windows10:03
Jesteracewhoa10:03
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neighbordudewhere do I verify that i'm using a speicifc bpp ? (  configuration editor ?..if so which section)10:03
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maxcheePersonally, I am a big fan of reiserfs. Any chance that reiser4 patch will be included?10:04
phxguyit gavfe m an error:  /dev/sda1: Read-only file system while setting up superblock10:04
maxcheein an ubuntu kernel?10:04
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phxguydo  I have to boot into windows and format as fat16 first?10:04
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maxcheephxguy: no10:04
aeolist_in order to do what?10:04
phxguyaeolist_:  I am trying to reformat a usb stick so it cant be read on a windows machine10:05
aeolist_oh10:05
maxcheephxguy: should have told us about that...10:05
aeolist_had the same trouble today10:05
aeolist_depends on what you have available10:05
phxguymaxchee i thought i did.,10:06
maxcheephxguy: reiserfs, xfs, jfs are even more obscure than ext10:06
aeolist_you can use a tool like gparted or qtparted10:06
crymsanyou try mkfs.vfat?10:06
aeolist_or try fdisk + mkfs.vfat10:06
maxcheethere is a driver for ext for windows10:06
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crymsanright, fdisk it first of course :-)10:07
black_Nightmaredoes ubuntu support having two keyboards plugged in altogether?10:07
black_Nightmareone unused ps/2 and one usb10:07
maxcheecryman: parted replaces (sort of) fdisk10:07
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Jesteracehow does one use two keyboards at the same time? and what practical use is it :P10:07
johaBBalol10:07
crymsanah, havne't really used parted10:07
johaBBanone?10:07
black_Nightmarejest..not 'same time' but..its kinda something to do with setups10:08
Jesteracedifferent keymaps?10:08
robl^I use ps/2 and USB keyboard at the same time.. no problem10:08
Jesteraceie: us layout and uk layout? :P10:08
Jesteracei used to have a uk keyboard and i'm in canada heh10:08
black_Nightmaresome of these cable kvm needs both ps/2 connectors to be powered to work .. but then with one of the pc I rather like use my own keyboard [alak through usb] 10:08
johaBBarobl^, you use both plugged into the same computer at the same time?10:08
black_Nightmarekinda like this way: 2 pc, 2 keyboards, 1 mouse, 1 mointor10:08
black_Nightmareget it?10:09
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Jesteraceoh kvm10:09
robl^johaBBa: yeah.  I have a notebook with a built-in PS/2 keyaboard and a full size USB10:09
black_Nightmaretill I can buy/trade for a kvm that can switch itself and has ac power (so it doesn't have to be plugged to ps/2 ports for power)10:09
johaBBaah, i see10:09
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phxguyholy cow i did fdisk /dev/sda1 and then l10:10
Jesteracei like my kvm10:10
Jesteracehandy10:10
phxguythere are so many.... which should i choose???10:10
johaBBai just had a funny picture in my head of someone using one keyboard with their hands and the other with their feet at the same time10:10
Jesteracehit numlock twice then hit up or down and it'll switch pc's10:10
afro-pire10:10
crymsan/dev/sda10:10
black_Nightmarejoha..NEVER for me lol10:10
johaBBaheh10:10
afro-pii've just installed ubuntu10:10
afro-piwhat is the admin pwd ?!? ;-)10:11
afro-pi(root)10:11
johaBBaafro-pi, use sudo10:11
black_Nightmareso...anyhow think it could work to have one pc with two keyboards, the inactive ps/2 cable to kvm (to power it) and the main usb keyboard?10:11
aeolist_the same as your user's one10:11
afro-piseems not...10:11
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Jesteraceblack_Nightmare,  seems plausible give it a try?10:11
Slavenafro-pi: you can't login as root at first10:11
afro-piit doesn't accept my user pwd10:11
Slavenlogin as a normal user10:11
Jesteracethat's the only way we'll find out10:11
black_Nightmarejest..ok thanks anyhow ;)10:11
johaBBaafro-pi, root account is disabled by default. type 'man sudo'10:11
Slavenand type sudo passwd <password>10:11
afro-piok10:11
Jesteracebest to learn by doing :P10:11
afro-pithanks10:11
Jesteracethat's my motto10:12
bung__Slaven: no.10:12
afro-piyou're right :)10:12
Slaven...no?10:12
crymsananyone try hoary?10:12
Jesteracehowever i refuse to use usb preferals :P10:12
socklerhow do i change my user password10:12
bung__that'd leave your password in your bash history, which would be a faux pas10:12
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bung__and I'm not sure if it works anyway10:12
johaBBacrymsan, running hoary on my lappy for about a month now10:12
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black_Nightmarejest...kinda not the best old kvm I got (requiring itself plugged into four ps/2 ports to even work) but anyhow...maybe for now till I get a better kvm10:12
Slavenyes it works10:12
black_Nightmarea kvm with ac power so it wouldn't need the ps/2 cables ;)10:13
bung__doing "passwd foo" sets the password for user foo10:13
Jesteraceblack_Nightmare, mine is powered that way too10:13
crymsanany reason why I wouldn't be able to boot the new release?10:13
robl^hoary is about stable enough for a release?10:13
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robl^why am I wasting my time fetching warty :)10:13
Jesteracerobl^, I think it's stable enough10:13
Slavenyeah, I meant sudo passwd <root>10:13
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Jesteracei'm running it :P10:13
johaBBacrymsan, not sure what you are asking...10:14
Slaveneh, sudo passwd root, even10:14
bung__aha10:14
Jesteracei haven't even really used warty since i needed hoary to have sound :P10:14
bung__sorry for being anal then :)10:14
BazziWhat packages do I need in order to compile a kernel driver module?10:14
black_Nightmarehmm...one tricky question...10:14
UbooWhat conifguration file does "Windows Preferences" edit? I want to see if I can edit some stuff there to make it work how I want it to.10:14
johaBBasry, no PM.10:14
black_Nightmareis it bios or os installion level to detect what kind of video source to use?10:14
JesteraceBazzi, build-essential fakeroot linux-headers and kernel-package i would recommend10:14
black_Nightmarelike say you have a computer and connect it immedately via tv/out cables to a tv before installing an os to the blank empty hd10:15
Bazziwhy fakeroot / what is that?10:15
robl^Jesterace: should be no problem updating from preview to the release version later?  atpt-get dist-upgrade, right?10:15
Jesteracerobl^, should be fine :)10:15
Jesteracethat's how i do it10:15
Jesteracei have no hoary cds10:15
Jesteracejust plenty of warty cds10:15
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robl^ohh..10:16
asghhi10:16
crymsanhey10:16
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asghi'm having some trouble with grub in ubuntu10:16
robl^Jesterace: basically the same as in debian going from stable to testing  for warty to hoary?10:16
Jesteraceso i install warty then immediately update /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the hoary repo's then run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade10:16
asghcan anyone help me?10:16
Jesteraceyeah10:16
HcEasgh: don't ask to ask, ask! (-:10:17
ob1kenobiasgh, what's happening?10:17
black_Nightmareor I guess my question is new? :p10:17
asghi have 2 hard drives, one with winx and one with ubuntu10:17
ob1kenobiasgh, me too10:18
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asghand grub won't let me boot winxp10:18
asghit gives error 23: error while parsing numbr10:18
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Jesteraceasgh, which hd is xp on? primary or secondary?10:19
ob1kenobiasgh, what is your last lines of menu.lst, those concerning windows?10:19
asghi think xp is primary master10:19
BazziJesterace what do I do when /lib/modules/2.6.10-5/build is not found? you happen to know what's missing then?10:19
Jesteracehrmm10:19
BazziIt's like driving me nuts here.10:20
asgh title           Windows 95/98/NT/200010:20
asghroot            (sd1,0)10:20
asghmakeactive10:20
asghchainloader     +110:20
asghsavedefault10:20
BazziI cannot get that damn thing to compile10:20
asghlast lines of menu.lst10:20
Jesteracedid you get the headers that are for your kernel?10:20
Bazziyep10:20
KamionBazzi: linux-headers-* packages, I imagine10:20
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Jesteracelinux-headers-$(name -r) will pull the matching kernel headers if you apt-get10:20
BazziI've got linux-headers-2.6.10-5 (so the right ones)10:20
ob1kenobiasgh, you win xp is on secondary drive10:20
KamionBazzi: you'll need e.g. linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38610:21
_linux_newb_     uname -r10:21
Kamion$ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-29_i386.deb | grep 'build '10:21
flyingsquirrel54is there an easy way to format/partition/mount filesystems with ubuntu (gui)10:21
Kamionlrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2005-03-22 17:15:07 ./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38610:21
asghi'm sure it is on master but i don't really remember if it is primary or secondary..10:21
Bazziwtf.10:21
BazziI had the wrong version apparently.10:21
GnuKemistKamion: please use #flood for this10:21
Jesteracewonder if i can grab the vanilla kernel source from kernel.org and compile my own hehe10:21
Bazzihead->table10:21
KamionBazzi: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 is a common package to save space10:22
ob1kenobiasgh, from your file (sd1,0) is not the primary. (sd0,0) is the primary10:22
KamionGnuKemist: no I think two lines to illustrate help I'm giving is quite reasonable10:22
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ob1kenobiasgh, try moving the line chainloader as the last10:22
Kamionfour or five lines, sure10:22
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bitstreamhello10:23
GnuKemistKamion: nm then... no harm10:23
ob1kenobiasgh, and check the disk (primary/secondary).10:23
ob1kenobiasgh, you can check from ubuntu.10:23
asghhow?10:23
VladDracanyone know what might cause audio to fail with my haupage tv-card?10:24
VladDracI thought all it required was the msp3400 module (which is loaded)10:24
ob1kenobiasgh, sudo fdisk -l10:24
bitstreamany1 can tell me if i can install PHP and mysql with the synaptic package manager ?10:24
asghyes, i did fdisk -l...how do i see which one is primary?10:25
ob1kenobiasgh, and look at the results. You will see NTFS. If it says sda1 or sda2..10:25
marcin_anttheantix: ip address and what...10:25
asghsda110:25
marcin_anttheantix: ipp://[hostip] /printers/printername?10:25
ob1kenobiasgh, so your disk is primary. change the entry in menu.-lst with (sd0,0)10:25
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bitstreambtw i try to mount ntfs partition but cant access it from the file manager :(10:25
asghok, did that10:26
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ob1kenobireboot10:26
jazzkahi!10:26
asghok10:26
asghthx a lot10:26
marcin_anttheantix: or http://[hostip] /printers/printername... or maybe something else?10:26
ob1kenobiasgh, no problem10:26
black_Nightmareany of you know what hd formats ubuntu can read presently? (at the hoary preview version)10:26
asghi'm really enjoying ubuntu10:26
asghbrb10:26
A-starjust a quick question10:26
bitstreamhd format?10:26
jazzkaMy linux desktop (warty) was running ok during almost 7 months until today.10:26
ob1kenobiasgh, you will soon format your ntfs partition!10:26
jazzkaI've rebooted and the gnome applications bar has dissappeared10:27
ob1kenobiA-star, go ahead10:27
jazzkaany help?10:27
black_Nightmarebitstream...in another word for your kind of people: partitions10:27
black_Nightmare;)10:27
jazzkais there any way to restore the gnome dekstop?10:27
ob1kenobiblack_Nightmare, any.10:27
A-starafter I installed openssh-server I want to install freenx, this depends on the ssh package (which does the same as the openssh-server and client).10:27
bitstreamblack_Nightmare, :))10:27
A-starDo I need to install the openssh-server then?10:27
black_Nightmareob1...hrm...even HFS?10:27
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bitstreamblack_Nightmare, can u tell me if i can find quick php/mysql IDE for ubuntu?10:28
KamionA-star: ssh is a transitional package that depends on openssh-server and openssh-client; yes, you still need openssh-server10:28
bitstreami mean quick to install10:28
KamionA-star: freenx should probably depend on the virtual package ssh-server10:28
Slavenbitstream: quanta, maybe?10:29
black_Nightmareumm no idea LOL bitstream..I'm just trying to get understanding of ubuntu -- hope to try make an cdr and install it on mine pc by the time the weekend is around10:29
KamionA-star: but the ssh split is a relatively recent change and a lot of stuff hasn't adapted yet10:29
|QuaD-beagle 0.8 released today :)10:29
ob1kenobibitstream, gedit10:29
black_Nightmarejust want to figure some compactibility and software questions first10:29
bitstreamSlaven, is it good?10:29
black_Nightmareso...can hoary preview r/w to HFS hd's?10:29
A-starok thanks for the info10:29
ob1kenobiblack_Nightmare, yes even hfs10:29
SlavenI think it's nice. but it's a qt application so it might look a little mismatch on a gnome desktop.10:30
Slavenunless you've configured KDE visuals.10:30
bitstreami'm trying to install nusphere phpedit but it requires some libraries i cant find in the synaptic pkg manager10:30
GnuKemistbitstream: I saw a live demo of Komodo... awsome!!!  but it isn't free...10:30
ob1kenobibitstream, I have installed NVU and it is nice with php10:30
black_Nightmarehm ty... so linux, fat16, fat32, HFS, HFS+, what else can it 'see'? :p10:30
bitstreamnusphere PHPedit is soooo coool10:30
Slavenblack: ntfs?10:31
ob1kenobiblack_Nightmare, it is hard to list here all fdisk types... a lot!10:31
crymsancan it write to ntfs?10:31
bitstreami'm new to ubunto10:31
Slaventhere are drivers for that now too, aren't there?10:31
bitstreamso i dont know how to install shit on it10:31
black_Nightmareoh ic ob1 so in a word "almost anything if its already been there for several months" ... right?10:31
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bitstreami've never seen debian either10:31
A-staranyone here who wants to help me with the configuration of freenx?10:31
bitstreamcrymsan,  no10:31
mrtxsudo sucks!10:31
neighbordudeguys where do I 'set' the desktop depth in gnome ??10:32
flyingsquirrel54what's the easiest way of mounting a volume?10:32
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ob1kenobiblack_Nightmare, c'mon... I'm not jocking.. seriously10:32
GnuKemistbitstream: easy... just remember apt-get install [app name] 10:32
asghdidn't work =|10:32
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bitstreamGnuKemist, what is that?10:32
neighbordudeI mean can desktop depth be set anywhere in gconf ?10:32
GnuKemistbitstream: the way to install programs10:33
black_Nightmarehmm ok think I don't have any more questions left except about modems compactibility but....no rush on that part yet10:33
black_Nightmare:p10:33
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, if the device or disk is recognised by hotplug it should be automatically mounted10:33
Jesteraceneighbordude, which are you using warty or hoary?10:33
GnuKemistbitstream: via the console10:33
bitstreambut10:33
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neighbordudeJesterace, hoary preview release10:33
bitstreami have to get it first in debian pkg format?right?10:33
Jesteraceok10:33
GnuKemistbitstream: you can always use Syanptic10:33
black_Nightmareany of you heard of symbios pci cards?10:33
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, otherwise you should use mount -t auto /dev/whatever /some/directory10:34
Jesteraceneighbordude, check under system -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution10:34
flyingsquirrel54I've got 2 windows partitions ntfs and fat3 where will they be mounted?10:34
GnuKemistbitstream: is mysql in the portage system?10:34
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Jesteraceand if the modes aren't there then you'll need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to support the proper depth10:34
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, that depends - have a look in /media it's the most likely place10:34
neighbordudeJesterace, been there done that and its not there faict10:34
black_Nightmarewas just wondering about this cheap scsi pci card I had...dunno about leave in there or take it out10:35
neighbordudeJesterace, ie: all you can set is res and refresh rate but n ot 'depth'10:35
snetx10i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system?10:35
Jesteraceah color depth true10:35
neighbordudeJesterace, yup10:35
snetx10i'm running hoary10:35
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Jesteraceyou'll have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and select the color depth you want10:35
black_Nightmareit seem to cause quite some trouble to 98se's device list but somehow works just fine with another non-window os10:35
neighborleeJesterace, yeah exactly..I had a hunch..darn gnome needs a gui for this <G>10:35
Jesteracehehe10:35
neighborlee:)10:35
Jesteracethat's true10:36
Jesteracesome nix version have a nice configurator for them10:36
ob1kenobiblack_Nightmare, no prob for ubuntu. it will get recognized10:36
black_Nightmarehm ok thanks ;)10:36
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alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, any luck?10:37
black_Nightmaresay... does it have to be specific to particular scanners all the times or think its possible to have like a generic user-customized scanner driver? (user select color and res for starters)10:37
black_Nightmareif that seem like a stupid thought then delete it10:37
stazzis there any ubuntu-specific tools?10:37
black_Nightmare:P10:37
flyingsquirrel54yeh,10:37
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flyingsquirrel54sort of.10:37
grogoreohi10:37
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flyingsquirrel54it mounted, but I don't have permission to open10:38
flyingsquirrel54wait, I did the ntfs, I should do the fat instead10:38
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snetx10hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)10:38
black_Nightmarebrb..trying find card jumpers again10:39
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, Ubuntu only has read support for ntfs - regardless of permissions10:39
grogoreoim trying to change the permissions of a group of folders (one folder with lots of sub folders) and i can change the permissions by using the command: chmod -R 755 folder    but i want to specify a user with that. any ideas?10:39
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flyingsquirrel54what about fat?10:39
black_Nightmareoh damn **** it.  my favorite hardware site closed down... :|10:39
alavistagrogoreo: you run latter: chown -R newuser folder10:39
black_Nightmareany of you know any site for jumper/pinout for older pci+isa cards?10:39
alexwillmergrogoreo, use chown to do that, only root (or sudo) can do it thougg10:39
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grogoreothanks alavista and alexwillmer10:40
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, read write support - you may need to adjust mount permissions to get write support as a normal user10:40
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black_Nightmaresorry..nevermind I found a previously-hidden mirror10:41
Skidhi folks, I've just updated to horay but my x config is broke now.. I can't seem to get it up, looking at the log, there's a version mismatch, but I can't seem to sort it10:41
flyingsquirrel54alex willmer: yeah, fat works fine. I didn't expect the other one anyway.10:41
jeanjeanxmms dont work I ve got these error libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory10:42
jeanjeanInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!10:42
flyingsquirrel54Actually the reason I asked was just to see if there is a gui way of doing it?10:42
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jeanjeancan anybody help10:42
SkidError: API mismatch : the NVIDIA kernel module is ver 1.0.6111, but this X Module is version 1.0.6629 pls be aware that your kernel and NVIDIA driver must have the same vrsion10:42
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, cool - were they already mounted, or did you need to do it manually?10:42
flyingsquirrel54manually10:42
flyingsquirrel54is there a gui way of doing it?10:42
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alavistaflyingsquirrel54: manually as "root" (or sudo) or normal user?10:42
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alexwillmerok, try this - from the menu bar, Computer -> Disks10:43
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flyingsquirrel54sudo, I was told here earlier that ubuntu doesn't allow one to do su!10:43
LinuxLoverhello10:43
flyingsquirrel54I just installed today!10:43
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alexwillmereach icon should allow you to right click and mount or unmount10:43
snetx10hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)10:43
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, su is different to sudo10:44
maddlerflyingsquirrel54... you need to do "sudo su"10:44
alavistaflyingsquirrel54: hmm, since you mounted as root (sudo way), it's by default read-only. You can specify a mount option to be accessible by normal user.10:44
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LinuxLoverWhy does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?10:44
A-starwoehoe, freenx finally works now10:44
flyingsquirrel54which Icons do I right click on?10:44
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jeanjeansnetx10: Go to System --> Prefernces --> Select multimedia system10:45
flyingsquirrel54and how do I specify r/w10:45
alexwillmerunmount from the command line (using sudo) then try the icons in Computer->Disks, it might Just Work(tm)10:45
snetx10jeanjean: thank you :)10:45
LinuxLoverI have a few questions, can anyone help?10:45
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snetx10dont ask to ask, just ask!10:45
alexwillmerLinuxLover, fire away10:45
snetx10:)10:45
maddlerlinuxboy... about the questions? or about what the questions are about? ;)10:46
alavistaflyingsquirrel54: it's better to mount as normal user or use the graphical interface. else, you delve more and more in complexity and things do not work..10:46
LinuxLoverWhy does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?10:46
bitstreamda,mit10:46
bitstreamdamnit that is10:46
flyingsquirrel54no, when I right click I don't see anything about mounting10:46
bitstreami get weird errors10:46
alexwillmeralavista, there is that, too many longer term users need to be weened from the command line when giving advice (self included)10:46
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jeanjeanLinuxLover --> try to write or download the cd again ?10:47
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alexwillmerLinuxLover, not with just that, I'd need more details10:47
LinuxLoverIt's a pressed copy, from Ubuntu. I just received it in the mail 3 days ago10:47
bitstreamwhen i uncommented the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list synaptick pkg manager says it cant connect to the sercers10:47
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alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, is that the icons in Disks?10:48
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LinuxLoverAlright, what else do you need to know? I put it in, boots up to the loading screen and just stalls there. Like it freezes.10:48
bitstreamany1 knows why is that?10:48
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, sorry the window will be titled Computer, the menu entry is called Disks10:48
flyingsquirrel54I've got 4 icons, floppy1, cdrom1 filesystem, network10:48
alavistabitstream: you can enable/disable repositories from the graphical interface..10:49
Skidcan anyone help me with X and nvidia please?10:49
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Skidi knew I shouldn't of updated to horay :/10:49
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alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, ok, that's the one. And there's no mount/unmount option in the menu when you rightclick an icon?10:50
jeanjeanSkid: Hoary ?10:50
LinuxLoverAnd also, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?10:50
Skidyep10:50
flyingsquirrel54no10:50
Skidhoray, whatever10:50
alavistaSkid: you probably need to install the correct version of the NVidia driver. You may be able to do from command line or configure manually your Xorg server to use some default low resolution so that you do graphically...10:50
Tux-RoxAnyone know if beagle / best is going to make it into 5.04? I saw a wiki page saying it is in restricted, but it is not it seems....10:50
SkidI've just updated nvidia from apt.. and im using XFee86, not Xorg10:50
flyingsquirrel54open, open new window, copy, prop.10:50
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alavistaTux-Rox: AFAIK, beagle is not ready yet, planned for the next version of Ubuntu, in six months time.10:50
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, sorry Filesystem and Network are exceptions try cdrom1 or floppy110:51
michael__hey all.. having problems with audio! i tried going to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector, but that just gives errors for any set up i select10:51
LinuxLoveralexwillmer, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?10:51
Tux-Roxalavista, too bad to hear. I figured since it is going to make it into SuSe 9.3 next month, it would make it in to Hoary.... :-(10:51
flyingsquirrel54yeah, but that just mounts media that's in the respective devices, no hd's10:51
bitstreamalavista, can u tell me some other repositories?10:51
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alexwillmerLinuxLover, ubuntu is tailored for gnome - I'm sure fluxbox is doable, I don't know how though10:52
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Jesteracei used e17 in ubuntu10:52
kkathmanGreetings all :)10:52
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alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, ok but the entry is there. I have an icon for my windows partition, let me think why you lack one10:53
Jesteracejust a matter of installing the wm then selecting it as a session on the gdm screen once every thing is installed and configured properly10:53
LinuxLoveralexwillmer, so what about the stalling problem?10:53
flyingsquirrel54when "I was installing I didn't tell it to use the partition10:53
flyingsquirrel54I have only one drive, perhaps you have 210:54
_phate_have they fixed the US hoary mirror issue?10:54
alavistabitstream: a generic list is provided in the update application. I recommend to work on those instead of adding manually other repositories. Risky, especially when you use Hoary.10:54
alexwillmerLinuxLover, I said that I couldn't give an answer jut with the description you gave, what is the last text printed before it stalls, is here any error? does the cd work on another computer?10:55
LinuxLoverNo, the screen is the one where it's just a yellow background with the ubuntu logo and the loading bar at the bottom. This is the LiveCD.10:55
alavistaTux-Rox: Beagle in SuSE 9.3? Strange stuff. Beagle is still being developed.10:55
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bitstreamok10:56
bitstream10x man10:56
_phate_what is the default sources.list for apt-get?10:56
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LinuxLoverDoes anyone know a site that offers free linux CDs? besides the freelinuxcd project?10:56
michael__hi all.. i'm having audio problems! i'm currently running ubuntu hoary, and i get error messages when i attempt to run any audio files in xmms.. it recommends that i check my sound card configuration.. but i dont know how to do that10:56
Tux-Roxalavista, I've read it in a few places today as PR from the Brainshare conference. Could be a confused reporter or two...10:57
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geppyLinuxLover:  Talk to your friends?  Go to your local LUG?10:57
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, try this: sudo gedit /etc/fstab10:57
flyingsquirrel54alexwillmer: no ideas??10:57
geppymichael__: Make sure that you install the xmms-esd package, and set the audio driver to "esound".10:57
Jesteracemichael__,  what soundcard do you have?10:58
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, what is the device of your fat32 volume?10:58
geppyJesterace: It's probably just an ESD conflict.10:58
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, eg /dev/hda110:58
LinuxLovergeppy, None will do the job because they dont have the proper tools, such as a buurner and proper connection. And there are no LUGs near my area.10:58
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michael__Jesterface: SB Live!10:58
LinuxLoveralexwillmer, so can you suggest something?10:58
Jesteracemichael__, 24bit?10:58
flyingsquirrel54it's not in the list.10:58
Jesteraceor a good one?10:58
geppyLinuxLover: I don't know of any other sites, but you can buy CDs in various places.  LinuxISO sells CDs, I think.10:58
flintDOEs anyone know of any server/channel whihc is mozilla psecific ?10:59
michael__Jesterace: hmm i dont know if its 24bit..10:59
geppyAre there any Linux projects similar to Windows' little hardware detection applet?10:59
Jesteraceahh10:59
LinuxLovergepp, Alright thanks for the help anyway10:59
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Jesteracebecause i know  my sb live is a 24bit and i need a different driver than the normal sb live driver10:59
alexwillmerLinuxLover, I've given you my answer, wrt to free CDs I haven't looked I'm happy to pay a few pounds and cheapbytes or similar10:59
geppyI don't want to duplicate someone elses' work, if there's already something going.10:59
Jesteracewhich i had to build myself10:59
bancusseb128, you around?10:59
michael__oh11:00
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LinuxLoveralexwillmer, no not that problem11:00
LinuxLoveralexwillmer, the stalling problem.11:00
seb128bancus: ?11:00
Jesteracemichael__, do me a favor11:00
bancushttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=808711:00
Jesteraceopen a terminal and enter lspci11:00
michael__Jesterace: well, my audio works on the LiveCD but not after i actually installed it on my hard drive11:00
bancusWhich package should I be trying to build from source?11:00
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Jesteraceand tell me what the Multimedia audio controller is11:00
alexwillmerLinuxLover, No I don;t have enough information11:00
Jesteracejust so i know which version it is :P11:00
bancus(Figured it'd be easier to get you IRC than bugzilla messaging.)11:00
UbooFiles with any special character (stuff with an umlaut for one) on my mounted ntfs partitions won't show up. How do I fix this?11:00
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, what is not in the list?11:00
flyingsquirrel54sorry, there's no entry for my partition in the list. I can add it, I was just looking for an esier way.11:01
alavistaUboo: hmm, verify that "utf8" encoding is chosen for your ntfs mount..11:01
LinuxLoveralexwillmer, I'm talking about the LIVE CD. I'm using it to test out Ubuntu. I put it in my computer and boot it up. The LIVE CD loads up fine until the LOADING SCREEN. The one with the yellow background, the logo, and the loading bar at the bottom. There are no error messages, no writing space, nothing.11:01
michael__Jesterace: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)11:01
Jesteraceah ok11:01
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, we can also try this with your ntfs volume, what was the full mount command you used?11:01
Jesteraceit has the driver then11:01
Jesteracehmm11:01
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Jesteracemust be a esd thing then11:01
michael__hmm11:01
Jesteraceit's a good sb live :P11:01
michael__esd11:02
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Jesteracecompared to mine11:02
Ubooalavista: How do I do that? I simply followed ubuntuguide.org's directions for making it mount on bootup.11:02
jcurryi'm a debian sid user, running ubuntu's xorg debs...how much trouble would i have editing my sources.list to point to the ubuntu repos and apt-get dist-upgrade'ing?11:02
Jesteracetry a power off then power on11:02
Jesteraceperhaps hardware needs refreshed11:02
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michael__yeh i tried that11:02
alexwillmerLinuxLover, You've said that and I've said that' not enough for me to go on, please accept that answer11:02
geppyjcurry:  Only one way to find out.11:02
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flyingsquirrel54sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /data11:02
Jesteracemichael type alsamixer11:02
Jesteracesee if it loads up11:03
michael__no mixer elems found11:03
jcurrygeppy, true...but i was hoping someone else had already done it, and could make suggestions11:03
LinuxLoveralexwillmer, You could of told me that you don't have an answer, isntead of saying not enough information which makes me assume you need more info. Please be more accurate.11:03
geppyTry searching the forums, and such.11:03
afro-pino mplayer package under ubuntu ?11:03
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alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, ok, add this line to the end of /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1       /data  ntfs    user,noauto,uid=alex,gid=alex,umask=077         0               011:04
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isamhi there .. I think I have a stange new problem11:04
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, except in your case replace alex with your login name11:04
isamk3b can't see that I has a cd-writer11:04
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isamand further more.. it doesn't appear in /dev11:04
seb128bancus: what about it ?11:04
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isamalthough it used to appear before I upgraded my syetem11:05
alavistaUboo: Type "locale" in your command prompt and verify that all lines have the same value. Tell us what value that is (looks like "en_US.UTF-8".)11:05
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bancusseb128, I just put a message on it explaining11:05
bancusseb, which package should I be trying to build?11:06
flyingsquirrel54yeh, I caught that11:06
jeanjeancan anyone help i got these error if i open xmms: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory11:06
flyingsquirrel54I'm also gonna put my fat in there11:06
alexwillmerI thought I'd been clear, first I asked for any errors - since none were printed I couldn't help. don't worry about it too much though11:06
Ubooalavista: Every line has whatever="en_US.UTF-8" excpet the line "LC_ALL=" which is the last line11:06
andrilare there any good .deb repositories?11:06
michael__Jesterace: no mixer elems found11:07
andrilanyone have issues with themes after installing Hoary?11:07
Jesteracehrmm11:07
alavistajeanjean: You need the "mikmod" package for this.11:07
Jesteraceodd11:07
jeanjeanalavista: thx11:07
LinuxLoverAnyone konw what the command to register on this server is11:07
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, ok. Once you've saved those changes icons should appear in the Computer window - although it may take a relogin or reboot to take effect11:07
LinuxLover?*11:07
alavistaUboo: ok, your shell info is good then.11:07
UbooSo, what else could it be?11:08
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alavistaLinuxLover: Type "/msg NickServ help"11:08
LinuxLoverI did11:08
LinuxLover--- nickserv :No such nick/channel11:08
alavistaLinuxLover: you got a password?11:08
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LinuxLoverNope11:08
Ubooalavista: My fstab says "/dev/hdb1/media/Cntfsumask=022200" and "/dev/hdb3/media/Dntfsumask=022200"11:08
flyingsquirrel54standby...11:08
LinuxLoverThats why I'm trying to register11:09
michael__Jesterace: so what sounds like my problem is then?11:09
LinuxLoverare services up?11:09
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michael__Jesterace: would it be that my soundcard is not configured properly, or i dont have the correct output plugin selected?11:09
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alavistaUboo: try adding "utf8" next to the umask parameter (.... umask=0222,utf8 0 0....)11:10
talelxixcan anyone help i just installed ubuntu and cant audio to work11:10
Jesteracemichael__, sounds like the soundcard module isn't installed11:10
Jesteracerunning hoary or warty?11:10
michael__hoary11:10
Jesteracehmm11:10
alavistaUboo: I figured out "utf8" by running on the command line "man mount", then looking into the NTFS section.11:10
Ubooalavista: Same. (I'm using "sudo mount -a" after each change)11:11
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flyingsquirrel54great it works!11:11
LinuxLoverWhat distro do you people suggest for a Linux newbie? Which distro is suitable for someone who's just starting out with Linux?11:11
flyingsquirrel54will I be risking data if I edit the ntfs partition?11:11
alavistaLinuxLover: err, ubuntu?11:11
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asghhi11:12
|QuaD-LinuxLover = newbie?11:12
LinuxLoverYes11:12
asghhaving real trouble getting grub to boot winxp can anyone help me?11:12
|QuaD-interesting choice of nick's then :)11:12
alavistaflyingsquirrel54: better not edit the ntfs partition. specify the flag to mount it read-only ("ro").11:12
andrilUbuntu of course - easy + Linux = Ubuntu11:12
LinuxLover|QuaD-, nicknames don't always describe the user.11:12
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, the driver won't allow you to write anything, there is a project called captive-ntfs if you absolutely MUST have write access but it's a last resort and takes some configuration11:13
|QuaD-LinuxLover: it was just a comment :)11:13
black_Nightmarehey quad :p11:13
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, out of interest why did ou choose flyingsquirrel as a nick11:13
|QuaD-hey black_Nightmare :)11:13
flyingsquirrel54Let me be sure I have this clear, the way we confi'd It won't LET me edit, right11:13
black_Nightmarejust trying prep my pc down...especially thinkI need fix some screws too11:14
black_Nightmarethen going to see about ubuntu on it11:14
LinuxLover|QuaD-, so was mine. =D11:14
flyingsquirrel54good question!11:14
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, the ntfs kernel driver has no write support, it's incapable of writing data11:14
crymsanubuntu eh? I'm not getting off to a good start ;-) Warty and Hoary won't boot :)11:14
crymsanwell, the cd's won't boot11:15
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LinuxLoverMy live cd stalls at the loading screen. Have noidea what to do.11:15
flyingsquirrel54this is, beleive it or not the first time I've used IRC. Back in the day when it was big I didn't have internet. My boss gets some crazy things that pop in his head, said not to use my name. I kind of like it though11:15
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alexwillmercrysman do any cds bboot for you, the bios must be configured to boot from cd11:15
BockBilbohey11:15
crymsanit will boot a debian cd just fine11:15
black_Nightmarequad so whats new with YOU anyhow?11:15
BockBilbocan someone tell me what do the 'd's mean in this ls -ld output: drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 2005-03-23 23:01 folder/11:16
BockBilbo?11:16
crymsandirectory11:16
BockBilbooh11:16
BockBilbo:D11:16
crymsans = socket11:16
BockBilbothanks11:16
asghplease could anyone help me? i'm getting kinda desperate here...can't get grub to boot up winxp11:16
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|QuaD-black_Nightmare: same old stuff, exam tomorrow... :(11:16
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wavefunction'nite.11:16
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, heh, it's a bit long but I like it too11:16
phxguyhow can i get my usb wi-fi adapter to work?11:17
black_Nightmarequad...blah..good luck anyhow.  I hope to get ubuntu on my own pc by the time the weekend is around ;)11:17
flyingsquirrel54That's perfect about the driver. Thanks for all of your help. Your awsome man!!11:17
flyingsquirrel54gotta go.11:17
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: good luck on that ;)11:17
alexwillmerflyingsquirrel54, you're welcome good night11:17
crymsanwell, maybe I'll just try to upgrade my debian install into ubuntu, here we go11:17
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Jesteraceheh cat damn near tore off the tray to my dvd-rw11:17
black_Nightmarequad..yeah the only thing I'm not so sure about is that I'm told I might have to configure my one and only isa card manually :|11:17
wavefunctionIs it possible to know how a given .deb was compiled ?11:17
black_NightmareI hope I can do okay11:17
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: whats an isa card?11:18
black_Nightmarequad.. creative soundblaster 16 [pnp isa card] 11:18
black_Nightmareits in the isa slot11:18
crymsanthe card that isn't a pci, or an agp :)11:18
alexwillmercrymsan, there are 2 methods of making bootable linux cds IIRC, some bioses don't work with the second, that may be it11:18
black_Nightmarecrym..LOL11:18
Kamionwavefunction: apt-get source <package>, start with debian/ruels11:19
crymsanalexwillmer, sorry, two methods? what methods are these?11:19
Kamionwavefunction: er, debian/rules11:19
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alexwillmercrymsan, my recolection is hazy, one sec11:19
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michael__Jesterace: so if the sound card module isn't installed.. what do i install then?11:21
wavefunctionKamion: So, then I can download the sources, define new configuration and then use debian/ubuntu tool for generating a new package, right ?11:21
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asghhas anyone had any trouble with SATA hard drives and grub?11:21
Kamionwavefunction: yeah, install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'11:22
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alexwillmercrymsan, I'm afraid I can't find a reference. I believe it's something like (1) fake it: embed a bootable floppy image, bios loads that which boots and loads stuff from cd (2) really do it, bootstrap loaded straight from cd and continue from there. Some BIOSs only support (1) which was an interim hack11:23
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alexwillmercrymsan, it's possible that debian uses 1 for compatibility and Ubuntu uses 2, but that's only a guess11:24
wavefunctionKamion: Thanks, for the help ! I'll try that.11:24
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crymsanalexwillmer, thanks, I'll try upgrading the bios, and if not try upgrading from debian11:25
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punkrockguy318Hmm.. It seems that ubuntulinux is vulnerable to fork bombs by default...11:27
michael__i tried to apt-get xmms-esd, but it isn't there.. i suppose my sources list isn't complete..  what settings are you people using for sources.list?11:27
michael__for hoary11:27
punkrockguy318michael__, i have a pretty complete sources.list and it's not coming up11:28
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alexwillmercrysma simple workaround would be to boot from floppy, Ubuntu must supply an image11:28
fubaredwhat runlevels should hotplug be in?11:28
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michael__punkrockguy318: oh.. thanks11:28
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Kamionalexwillmer: sadly not, our 2.6 kernels won't fit on a floppy11:29
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HeliodeGood evening all11:29
Kamionalexwillmer: I'll check the isolinux/el-torito thing tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure we're the same as Debian in this regard11:29
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andrilhy now11:31
andrilanyone using MPlayer?11:31
HeliodeI've got a question; does anyone here have any experiance using WLAN cards with ubuntu? Mine works fine (with NDISWrapper) but its a pain to have it connect to wireless networks. i use it at school and at home, and sometimes i have to reboot the machine before it will even detect networks11:31
michael__anyone who can help me: i'm having audio problems.. i get no audio from my speakers.. when i go to System->Preferences-> Multimedia Systems Selector and choose any of the  different output sinks, i still get errors11:32
punkrockguy318michael__, is your volume up?11:32
michael__yes11:32
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punkrockguy318michael__, what are your errors?11:33
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alexwillmercrymsan, Kamion this might fit the bill http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2004-October/010325.html11:33
black_Nightmareany of you willing to help me find info on one particular pci card?11:33
michael__well for example when i click the test button in the Multimedia Systems Selector, i get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'"11:33
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theineHi, I'm not able to install ubuntu-base under Hoary after the last 'apt-get update'11:34
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theineIs this a known problem?11:34
punkrockguy318theine, yup, be patient...11:34
alexwillmerhmm, maybe not11:34
theinealright11:34
sockleris 128mb of ram enough to run ubuntu? because thats what i have and its going realllll slow11:34
punkrockguy318theine, libc-686 needs to be compiled and released etc11:34
theineI see11:34
michael__when i run volume meter, i get the error "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." and when i do that, there is no esd command11:34
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black_Nightmaresockler..I think its suggested to have at least 256MB11:35
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punkrockguy318michael__, sudo apt-get install esd11:35
michael__punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp does not exist11:35
alexwillmeranyway, time for bed, good night all11:35
punkrockguy318oh11:35
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punkrockguy318michael__, looks like your soundcard isn't being detected..11:35
LuckyStrikeHello all11:35
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tahorganyone here has tried beagle on ubuntu ?11:35
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michael__punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp no such device11:36
tahorgI've got a lock timeout from mono11:36
socommtahorg: google11:36
michael__punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?11:36
tahorgbut dunno where it comes from11:36
tahorgsocomm: I used the wiki11:36
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tahorgsocomm: but I've an exception from mono :(11:36
geppyDoes anyone know of a plug'n'play hardware detection solution similar to Windows' pop-up applet daemon?11:36
socommtahorg: All right, you gotta setup your FS to be indexed and what not.11:36
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tahorg /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro11:37
tahorgthat was in the wiki11:37
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socommgeppy: automount?11:37
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geppysocomm: Automount only works with harddrives, cd-rom drives, flash drives, and the like, right?11:38
socommgeppy: As far as I know, yes.11:38
geppysocomm: I'm looking specifically for a USB plug'n'play applet for webcams, USB headphones, etc.11:38
socommStorage devices in general will show up on your desktop.11:38
geppysocomm:  More specifically, I'm wanting to write one, and I'm trying to make sure I don't duplicate someone else's work uselessly.11:38
turkohi, i dont known how to write in english but i need help....with cups11:39
geppysocomm: I'm wanting to clone Windows' little pop-up hardware detection thingy with something that automatically downloads and installs the drivers for detected devices via apt.11:39
socommgeppy: Haven't heard of such a thing, but I'd   visit a search engine before taking up such a task.11:39
andrewskisocomm: you in here too? :)11:39
socommandrewski: Yes I wanted to see if there was any discussion about the slashdot story.11:40
michael__punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?11:40
andrewskisocomm: slashdot?11:40
geppysocomm:  I've been trying, but I haven't met any kind of success.  autodetection and plug'n'play just kind of ruin the hope of finding anything.11:40
punkrockguy318michael__, hmm...11:40
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andrewskisocomm: so you don't usu ubuntu?11:40
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socommandrewski: Yes, but I don't hang out here much.11:40
geppysocomm:  Some of us have gotten off of our /. addiction;  what is the article? =)11:40
LuckyStrikeHow can i auto-identify in xchat?11:40
andrewskisocomm: oh, what slashdot story are you talking about?11:41
socommhttp://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=10611:41
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geppyyeargh11:41
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geppyis that about NeroLinux?11:41
thoreauputic Yqa,  [Yqa]  (cxv@81.213.64.29) : Pamella is doing on-join spam11:41
socommExecutive summary: Rumors of UserLinux and Ubutnu merging to one Uber distro.11:41
geppysocomm: Oooh.11:42
punkrockguy318socomm, did you hear the other /. story? ubuntu is vulnerable to fork bombs11:42
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Burgundaviamailing list post by jdub to userlinux11:42
Burgundaviaand it got a mixed reception11:42
andrewskiUserLinux... never heard of it.11:42
socommpunkrockguy318: Haven't read that story as of yet.11:42
Burgundaviaand then Bruce Perens said no11:42
turkoalguien que hable espaol y me ayude con cups...quien puede ser?11:42
black_Nightmareok just one question before I start yanking cards around (ROFL....me funny) = recoken it wouldn't be difficult to use an ati all-in-wonder radeon 7500 for vga, tv viewing, and to record video to the hd even if I need seperate software for some of the functions?11:42
mwyldeBruce Perens said on /. that he was sticking with Debian11:42
punkrockguy318socomm, it's a couple days old11:42
black_Nightmareits an agp 64mb sdram card11:42
socommandrewski: http://www.userlinux.com11:43
geppyblack_Nightmare: That'd be really easy on windows.11:43
mjrmwylde, hmh, rather a shame, methinks11:43
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mwyldeWith the state of debian release schedules, I can't see why he's sticking with it11:43
mjruserlinux and ubuntu would seem to be a good match to me11:43
black_Nightmaregeppy..and for ubuntu?  I was told there's a tv player program already11:43
mwyldeyeah11:43
socommgeppy: Anyways you'd have to write something specific to GNOME/KDE/XFCE/* whatever. Or a daemon to run in the background and have it communicate with applets written in different Tool Kits.11:44
geppyblack_Nightmare:  I don't know, but my friends have never gotten their ATI cards to work properly.11:44
black_Nightmarehm :\11:44
geppysocomm:  Right, I was definitely looking to do it just for GNOME.11:44
black_Nightmareand I only have ati cards...11:44
punkrockguy318feel so insecure about my ssh when i am vulnerable to a fork bomb11:44
black_Nightmaremay as well as just prop an ati rage agp in and see if that still works11:44
black_Nightmarebut...I have the aiw laying right there..blah oh well11:44
mwyldeI'm using Kubuntu, and I can't seem to set my display resolution above 102476811:45
geppysocomm:  I'm looking to have a daemon that just reads the system messages, and acts appropriately. =)11:45
punkrockguy318mwylde, same here w/ ubuntu11:45
mwyldeI have an ATI 920011:45
socommWell if you don't have drivers for something I doubt you'll be able to read it.11:45
punkrockguy318geppy, seems like a good idea... usually obscure hardware isn't in the kernel by default11:45
mwyldeIt works fine with FC311:45
theineblack_Nightmare: my ati card works rather nicely under Ubuntu11:45
socommOr access it.11:45
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black_Nightmarehmm...ok I'll try swap the aiw7500 in for now..even if it actually only works as vga card right away11:46
black_Nightmarethanks a lot11:46
geppysocomm:  Could you not identify the device, then download drivers for it?11:46
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socommgeppy: Not to my knowledge.11:46
geppysocomm:  HMm..11:46
socommI'm have a very limited knowledge on this area though.11:47
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geppysocomm:  How would Windows do it, then?  They still have to download the drivers once they identify the device.11:47
lrojascan anybody tell me what to do to enable syntax highlighting in emacs-nox for html, php, css, etc?11:47
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garruthi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?11:47
reraqhi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now11:47
socommgeppy: They probably recognize it as a generic device, then let you figure out what sort of device it is.11:47
black_NightmareI just decided to take another look at the wiki again and guess what I found? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards it has an aiw9800 in the list.....so maybe I'm not too far off11:47
aldarsiorhey, the default config for rhythmbox seems to not support mp3s, is there a way to correct this or should I just use something else for music?11:48
socommgeppy: Let you figure out the make, model, etc.11:48
reraqhi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now11:48
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geppysocomm: On Windows?  With all of the webcams, USB sound devices, etc, that I've used, it auto-magically determines what it is, and only notifies you as it progresses in installing it.11:48
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thoreauputicaldarsior: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad11:49
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reraqdebian da x yeniden nasi configure ederim? x acilmio11:49
reraqhi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now11:49
aldarsiorthoreauputic: thanks a bunch.11:49
socommgeppy: Yes it determines that it's a web cam and lets you figure out what sorta cam it is.11:49
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thoreauputicaldarsior: you'll need the universe repository11:49
thoreauputicaldarsior: and you're welcome :)11:49
geppysocomm:  Hmmm, I definitely remember this incorrectly.  I'll have to play around with some of my friends' Windows boxes this week. =)11:50
socommgeppy: You'd probably better off discussing this on ubuntu's mailing list though.11:50
geppysocomm: Alright, thanks! =)11:50
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socommSorry I wasn't of more help. :^)11:50
geppysocomm:  Don't be, linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net is entertaining me. =)11:51
socommgeppy: Good luck.11:51
geppysocomm: Thanks!11:51
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phosphorgreenhello all11:57
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Mr_Elendighi11:57
phosphorgreendoes anyone here have experience with wu-imapd11:57
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phinhey, is there a way to get the trash BACK on the desktop?!11:58
rempresentmy graphics card isn't working as fast, or it seems like it is chuggy, how can i go about diagnosing this?11:59
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handsome_bhello everybody11:59

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