[12:00] <setite2> i found the code on the forum
[12:00] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, why did you pass by debian if ubuntu is like a sub debian?
[12:00] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It's a good distro. The first one I tried, as it happens. Quite liked it.
[12:00] <_phate_> black_Nightmare, weird that it would switch and also what was throwing me off
[12:00] <black_Nightmare> eh...go figure
[12:00] <setite2> and yea... i didnt do it... but thats because it wouldnt uninstall
[12:00] <smouche> my keyboard is practically falling apart under my fingers here... accumulated cigarette ash, must be...
[12:00] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: not so much because I didn't like it. Installed it on another computer while I had Fedora on mine; didn't think of switching at the time.
[12:00] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, geez i trying to close synaptic down but it wont close down ?
[12:01] <slept> setite2: just remove that section , there is aswell a saftycopy of the file with a (can't enter the sign its a tilde)
[12:01] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: you can't check the X in the top-right-corner?
[12:01] <slept> setite2: at its end
[12:01] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: is there a download currently?
[12:01] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, nope
[12:01] <Redwraith111> has anyone had any x problems? like going to tty2 then back to 7 and the system crashes
[12:01] <Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: that would be a video driver/hardware problem
[12:01] <Shoda1> apt-get can't find "libqt-mt" do I have a better chance with more entries in sources.list or are they just mirrors?
[12:01] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: and if it's not loading anything, then you might want to just kill it
[12:01] <Redwraith111> like the fglrx?
[12:01] <Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: older/less-supported video cards often have that sort of problem
[12:01] <Redwraith111> that i installed
[12:02] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, there was but then i relized i only had 15 minutes ledt to go to bed i cancled
[12:02] <mjr> hm, apt-get checks digital signatures automatically nowadays, yes?
[12:02] <mjr> (hoary)
[12:02] <smouche> gimp keeps my cpu in a state of hyperactivity even after I shut gimp down; ok, forget gimp on this box...
[12:02] <setite2> yea thats what i want to do... but i cant find the file
[12:02] <apokryphos> Shoda1: search in synaptic. It's a similar name.
[12:02] <Redwraith111> also.. if i log out i get stuck at a black screen?
[12:02] <setite2> i dont know where it is
[12:02] <kkathman> Shoda - you might need to get your /etc/apt/sources.list straightened out
[12:02] <Redwraith111> like from gnome?
[12:02] <setite2> i dont know how to mount
[12:02] <Redwraith111> and i cant do anything?
[12:02] <setite2> and the wiki isnt helping me all that much
[12:02] <Redwraith111> vid card aswell?
[12:02] <kkathman> Shoda - I would back that up and then get a good one from someone
[12:02] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, flint@ubuntu:~ $ killall synaptic
[12:03] <Redwraith111> Quinn_Storm could that me it aswell?
[12:03] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: well, if it's crashed then you're best off killing it.
[12:03] <Fl-i-nT> synaptic(7967): Operation not permitted
[12:03] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: sudo it
[12:03] <Shoda1> kkathman: Can you send me yours, please?
[12:03] <Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: not sure about the log-out problem
[12:03] <atho> Hm, I need some assistance.
[12:03] <Redwraith111> I think x is broked
[12:03] <kkathman> Shoda - are you using Synaptic or issuing the commands at the CLI?
[12:03] <Redwraith111> lol
[12:03] <Redwraith111> Im going to format
[12:03] <slept> setite2: you don't want to use the live cd , if you do you have to chroot and you'll be running the same system as if you would boot.
[12:03] <kkathman> sure I'll be glad to send you mine
[12:03] <smouche> Fl-i-nT -- one thing you might want to watch for when downloading via synaptic, make sure terminal messages are showing; some upgrade make you click in the screen to configure stuff;
[12:03] <zOap> Hey people, I have a problem, I like superkaramba better than gdesklets, but superkarama won't use the Gnome wallpaper, but uses the color black as background. Anyone know of a workaround to this is Gnome?
[12:03] <setite2> chroot?
[12:03] <setite2> run that from safe mode
[12:03] <Redwraith111> Also I cannot switch back to tty2 Quinn_Storm
[12:04] <smouche> the download will seem to stall, if you aren';t looking at a terminal
[12:04] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, thanks just learned how to kill a programme cheers
[12:04] <apokryphos> Shoda1: it's libqt3-mt-dev
[12:04] <kkathman> Shoda do you know how to copy your current one to a backup?
[12:04] <Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: well, it sounds like it probably is a vid card/driver problem
[12:04] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: you only ever have to sudo if it's being run by root. Synaptic is always thus.
[12:04] <larsrohdin> if i want a program to start when i start x, i put it in the .xsession file... but how should i write? like: start "program" or what?
[12:04] <Redwraith111> can i fix it?
[12:04] <kkathman> apokryphos - I think Shoda's sources.list is messed up
[12:04] <Redwraith111> i have the fglrx
[12:04] <Redwraith111> the ubuntu package
[12:04] <apokryphos> kkathman: why so?
[12:04] <atho> I'm running Hoary preview on a PPC, and boot-up freezes at "starting hotplug subsystem"
[12:04] <Fl-i-nT> smouche, ill take that on board
[12:04] <slept> setite2: you don't need all that things, just boot your system ( not the live-cd ) , dosn't matter if safemode or not
[12:04] <atho> Any work-around?
[12:04] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, ok ill take that onboard too.
[12:05] <kkathman> apokryphos - he's getting repeated errors - this same thing happened to me
[12:05] <setite2> ok and do what
[12:05] <Redwraith111> if I modprobe fglrx Quinn_Storm and it doesnt say anything does that mean those drivers are loaded and im not in Vesa?
[12:05] <setite2> i tried the dpkg -P xserver-xorg
[12:05] <setite2> actually sudo that
[12:05] <kkathman> apokryphos - his apt-get update fails :)
[12:05] <setite2> no sudo?
[12:05] <apokryphos> kkathman: I'm not sure if it's down to his soruces.list. Several people are reporting problems with the repos at the moment, but I'm not experiencing any.
[12:05] <slept> setite2: fix the configuration file
[12:05] <Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: not sure
[12:05] <setite2> yea how
[12:05] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, have you ever made your own alterations to a source of a programme to make it do what you required or to change something?
[12:05] <setite2> i dont know how to text edit from CLI
[12:05] <Redwraith111> hmm its bugging me
[12:05] <apokryphos> Shoda1: could you pastebin.com your sources.list
[12:06] <Redwraith111> it just started today
[12:06] <slept> setite : all administration things need sudo
[12:06] <Shoda1> kkathman: I use a console and am SU'ed in as root
[12:06] <Redwraith111> so maybe i was ifddling with things
[12:06] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: a few times; very minor things.
[12:06] <kevman`> I'm getting a /dev/vbi error when i use my TV card, but its showing a station just fine.
[12:06] <slept> setite: nano or joe are nice editors
[12:06] <jeanjean> where can i find packages for hoary ?
[12:06] <Redwraith111> i use nano
[12:06] <setite2> are they included?
[12:06] <slept> yes
[12:06] <apokryphos> jeanjean: are you on hoary?
[12:06] <kkathman> apokryphos - hmm...well I dont think there is a harm in resetting the sources.list and then running the apt-get clear, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade do you?
[12:06] <larsrohdin> how to write in .xsession? start "program" or what?
[12:06] <jeanjean> yup
[12:06] <setite2> so sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[12:07] <LuckyStrike> any know if there is a gui runlevel setup program i can download?
[12:07] <jeanjean> butonly can install the basics
[12:07] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, are you a type of user which has no room for Eyecandy and doesnt like icons on there desktop?
[12:07] <apokryphos> kkathman: I don't think it's necessary to fully upgrade the system for this. What was he looking to do?
[12:07] <slept> setite2: yes
[12:07] <LuckyStrike> doesn't seem to be one included in ubuntu unlike in fedora
[12:07] <setite2> ok wish me luck
[12:07] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Quite the opposite. :)
[12:07] <smouche> apokryphos, the repos do seem kind of, I don;t know, unpredictable lately.  I keep getting error messages, every apt-get update has to be done at least twice...
[12:07] <apokryphos> kkathman: but there is indeed no harm with resetting his sources.list
[12:07] <kkathman> apokryphos - he's trying to apt-get the libqt so Opera works
[12:07] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so you liek eyecandy too >
[12:07] <kkathman> its a standard thing I believe for Opera
[12:07] <kkathman> I had to do it
[12:08] <atho> again
[12:08] <smouche> i'd settle right now for the eye candy of less ugly fonts.
[12:08] <apokryphos> kkathman: I'd find it odd if Opera relied on Qt, but looking at its dependencies... it does.
[12:08] <atho> any solution to hotplug freeze?
[12:08] <kkathman> Shoda - I highly advise you to go to the Ubuntu site, though, under components and read that..its very important
[12:08] <slept> setite2: good luck
[12:08] <smouche> even with antialiasing on, these fonts are hideous
[12:08] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: very much so, yes. I like to be looking at something that is aesthetically pleasing.
[12:08] <Quinn_Storm> opera is a qt app, but you can get it statically linked if you need to
[12:09] <apokryphos> Interesting that it's often labelled a "Gnome app".
[12:09] <LuckyStrike> Is there a gui runlevel setup program (like the one in fedora) for ubuntu?
[12:09] <black_Nightmare> stupid question once again (lol) ... can wmv be played? :">
[12:09] <maxchee> it is strange, but being a qt app, opera is in the spirit of kde
[12:09] <maxchee> black_Nightmare: totem-xine
[12:09] <LinuxJones> LuckyStrike, no
[12:09] <apokryphos> Shoda1: are you still here? Are you on hoary?
[12:09] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i liek eyecandy too vvery much aswell but i dont like icons on desktop. anyway i have put the MAC OSX AQUA theme and a glossed icon theme and i would like the equiv to superkaramaba for gnome( i think is gdesklets )
[12:09] <LuckyStrike> Have to setup all the run levels via the console then?
[12:10] <maxchee> Fl-i-nT: gdesklet?
[12:10] <Quinn_Storm> opera isn't really in the spirit of kde since its a closed-source, pay-for piece of software...but it is a qt app
[12:10] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: I recommend switching to KDE :P certainly, but that is your decision. Yup, superkaramba is great. I think themes run alright on Gnome, however.
[12:10] <LinuxJones> LuckyStrike, they are planning a gui runlevel editor
[12:10] <maxchee> Quinn_Storm: but the cluttered interface and infinite configuration certainly make it more kde like (no offence to kde people)
[12:10] <black_Nightmare> hmm thanks maxchee....its just that too many online clips are stupidly **** WMP format
[12:10] <black_Nightmare> go figure hehe
[12:10] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: eek. Interesting; thanks.
[12:10] <LuckyStrike> ok thanks
[12:11] <smouche> Fl-i-nT, you might like xfce4; no icons on desktop, really nice window themes, very fast and light.
[12:11] <jeanjean> plz can anyone say how i can install more packages
[12:11] <goldfish> xfce4 is great
[12:11] <Quinn_Storm> maxchee: well I am a kde person...while the interface doesn't seem cluttered to me (gnome's seems sparse and clunky), I do prefer the configurability
[12:11] <jeanjean> i only can instal the packages from the cd
[12:11] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: I put some screenies up not so long ago: youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
[12:11] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: none with the x composite extentsion there though; should put them up when I next have time.
[12:11] <slept> jeanjean :  run apt-setup
[12:12] <smouche> I prefer kde, but I do like the way nautilus sets pictures on the desktop as their own icons..
[12:12] <jeanjean> slept: thx
[12:12] <apokryphos> smouche: Not sure if I follow.. could you link to a screeny?
[12:12] <smouche> and having little previews of text files as icons for those files is useful too
[12:12] <black_Nightmare> maxchee don't you have to hate WMP sometimes?  hehe
[12:12] <andril> hello all
[12:12] <apokryphos> smouche: kde does that.
[12:13] <Quinn_Storm> smouche: if you turn it on, konqueror does that
[12:13] <black_Nightmare> at least most website short sound clips are usually wav or cresendo which isn't quite restrictive ;)
[12:13] <andril> anyine having issues with themes in Hoary?
[12:13] <goldfish> apokryphos: what;s that on the right hand side?
[12:13] <Jesterace> andril what kind of themes? metacity?
[12:13] <goldfish> apokryphos: in those pics, sweet set-up btw
[12:13] <apokryphos> goldfish: superk theme
[12:13] <Jesterace> they work fine for me
[12:13] <smouche> apokryphos, kde gives you a mouseover preview -- I mean the actual icons are not generic for type-- you get a thumbnail,really, not an icon
[12:13] <nerv> Hey guys, whats the default root password?
[12:13] <apokryphos> goldfish: I change reasonably often (but haven't recently). Thanks. :)
[12:13] <smouche> you don;t need the mouse over
[12:13] <kevman`> The same as your usepassword
[12:13] <andril> GTK,Metacity and icons - like Indutrial
[12:13] <goldfish> apokryphos: is that for kde only?
[12:14] <nerv> Great, thanks
[12:14] <andril> It work work
[12:14] <Jesterace> andril nope they work fine for me
[12:14] <kevman`> There is no Root, really.
[12:14] <apokryphos> smouche: no, I really am. No mouseover necessary.
[12:14] <setite> nano is nto working
[12:14] <setite> file must not exist
[12:14] <Jesterace> andril you putting them in .themes? in the home dir?
[12:14] <setite> whats the apt command
[12:14] <andril> did you install from the CD or Synaptic update?
[12:14] <smouche> hmm, apokryphos , must be a setting I haven't found yet
[12:14] <apokryphos> goldfish: I don't think so. Superkaramba. It's in the repositories; try it out. :)
[12:14] <goldfish> ah right
[12:14] <goldfish> sweet
[12:14] <goldfish> thanks :)
[12:14] <setite> sudo apt-get reinstall xserver-xorg
[12:14] <atho> Guys, anyone know how to fix the hotplug subsystem freeze???
[12:14] <atho> ?
[12:14] <smouche> I just see, you know, plain icons.  It's a very nice mouse over preview though.
[12:14] <slept> setite : apt-get install nano
[12:14] <setite> no i have nano
[12:15] <setite> when i open xorg there is nothign there
[12:15] <apokryphos> goldfish: there's hundreds of themes for it on www.kde-look.org Some really sweet ones there.
[12:15] <mastergoon> is us.archive down?
[12:15] <setite> wait... i think i know my mistake
[12:15] <setite> brb
[12:15] <goldfish> apokryphos: cool :)
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> does the hoary preview iso cd have a irc client included in it?  just checking
[12:15] <atho> Can Warty be upgraded to Hoary without a CD?
[12:15] <mjr> atho, yes, via the net
[12:15] <Quest-Master> Yes atho
[12:15] <andril> Jesterace: did you upgrade via Synaptics or use the CD?
[12:15] <slept> setite: sudo ? use the tab-autocompletion, the file is called xorg.conf
[12:15] <atho> mjr, is there a howto or such anywhere?
[12:15] <Jesterace> andril synaptic
[12:16] <LinuxJones> black_Nightmare, yeah schat
[12:16] <LinuxJones> *xchat
[12:16] <_phate_> YAY, my mouse  is working now!
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> schat...don't you mean...lol nevermind
[12:16] <atho> i really don't like any other distro, and hoary won't install.
[12:16] <smouche> hmm, apokryphos -- in konqueror, you get thumbnails, I notice -- but not on the desktop
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> you faster than me :p
[12:16] <apokryphos> smouche: you can get them
[12:16] <andril> me too - but my themes seemed to change after a few updates
[12:16] <mjr> atho, hmm, haven't checked, since basically it's just changing warty references to hoary in either /etc/apt/sources.list or synaptic and upgrading...
[12:16] <LinuxJones> atho, you searched the wiki ?
[12:16] <apokryphos> smouche: the preview thing as mentioned before is not limited to Konqueror.
[12:16] <setite> nope... dont know what i did wrong
[12:17] <atho> Linux, no, i'm ashamed. BRB. :(
[12:17] <LinuxJones> heh
[12:17] <smouche> excellent, apokryphos -- Thanks!  I thought this was some nautilus specialty, or something
[12:17] <apokryphos> smouche: Nautilus seems real nice, but there's no contest with Konqueror for me.
[12:17] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, do you have kubuntu then?
[12:18] <atho> What search term should I use?
[12:18] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Yeah.
[12:18] <kkathman> sorry Im back now
[12:18] <MacPlusG3> daniels: ping
[12:18] <kkathman> hopefully I didnt miss much
[12:18] <daniels> MacPlusG3: goooood morning!
[12:18] <smouche> me too apokryphos .
[12:18] <slept> setite: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:18] <MacPlusG3> daniels: good morning to you too
[12:19] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so i dont know anything about kubuntu but is it only fro hoary or warty i mean is there like warty kubuntu so on...
[12:19] <apokryphos> smouche: cool. :)
[12:19] <MacPlusG3> daniels: so i should book bill bailey tickets? how many (did you need one?)
[12:19] <MacPlusG3> daniels: also going to an install day at monash today (for a little while). taking lots of CDs :)
[12:19] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: KDE is available on Warty, but only KDE 3.2. Hoary has 3.4 in the repositories (one of the first distros to, FTR).
[12:19] <jogariga> does anyone know how to install skype on ubuntu?
[12:20] <andril> Jesterace: do you know how to repair themes?
[12:20] <Jesterace> andril not really
[12:20] <Jesterace> the only theme i use is bluecurve
[12:20] <smouche> Well, I'm going to do something unneccesary, probably, but I can't help myself: reinstall hoary fresh from cd, kde version,
[12:20] <andril> oh
[12:20] <daniels> MacPlusG3: rad ... if you need cds, i have a hojillion in wheelers hill, so call me and you can pick some up if you need
[12:20] <andril> thanks anyways
[12:20] <smouche> just for the hell of it.
[12:20] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i have like 50-100 of each arch :)
[12:20] <Quinn_Storm> jogariga: you have to add a repository that has it to your sources.list...deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main has it last I checked
[12:20] <daniels> MacPlusG3: a friend has a spare ticket for tonight, so I can grab that and just meet you there
[12:20] <apokryphos> smouche: why? ;-). Just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade instead.
[12:20] <MacPlusG3> daniels: rock. i'll book stuff for me
[12:20] <setite> i dunno what to do
[12:20] <kkathman> I would love to install KDE but I just dont think my box would take it
[12:21] <nis> bbl.
[12:21] <apokryphos> smouche: there's been changes likely since your CD version.
[12:21] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: specs?
[12:21] <setite> how do i navigate to different folders
[12:21] <daniels> MacPlusG3: phat
[12:21] <CarlK_> what is the channel for kernel hackers?
[12:21] <kkathman> Am I right that KDE is more resource intense than Gnome?
[12:21] <CarlK_> or, how can I pass more than 255 chars at boot?
[12:21] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: actually gnome is usually more intensive than kde, but gtk is less intensive than qt.  what are your specs?
[12:21] <jogariga> Quinn_Storm: where is sources.list located?
[12:21] <Quinn_Storm> jogariga: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <setite> anyoen
[12:21] <kkathman> Quinn - its a hand me down puter....old HP Pavillion, 96 mb 12 gb
[12:21] <smouche> I'm not happy with my partitioning; need a home partition...
[12:21] <apokryphos> kkathman: it has more features, but it's oft been said that it's better for liteweight systems than Gnome. Gnome say the same thing, but visa versa, but hey. ;-)
[12:21] <setite> how do you navigate folders in clu
[12:22] <setite> cli*
[12:22] <atho> One more thing; how do
[12:22] <apokryphos> setite: man cd
[12:22] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: proc speed? 96mb ram sounds kinda small...but if the proc is fast enough you might pull it off
[12:22] <slept> setite: cd , with ls you can list , try the autocompletion with pressing the tab-key
[12:22] <MacPlusG3> daniels: gah. ticketmaster 7 crud... need to find some password baloney
[12:22] <kkathman> apokryphos...interesting :)
[12:22] <atho> I use apt to upgrade my whole system?
[12:22] <atho> after ive edited sources?
[12:22] <_phate_> How do I change the name of a system
[12:22] <setite> wth.... i tried cd
[12:22] <setite> figuring it was like dos
[12:22] <kkathman> Quinn...its some Celeron
[12:22] <kkathman> no clue as to its proc speed
[12:22] <setite> i tried autocompleteion but its not showing
[12:22] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: cat /proc/cpuinfo for proc speed
[12:22] <smouche> kkathman, I get the feeling gnome is much harder on my cpu, but kde seems a little more ram hungry.  but i  don't know...
[12:23] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, FTR meaning ?
[12:23] <kkathman> but its responsive with Gnome, but I just have to wait for things to swap out alot
[12:23] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: For The Record
[12:23] <Quinn_Storm> kkathman: well, I'd say at least check out kde, you can always switch back easily...just do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:23] <slept> setite: become root with sudo su and exit after your done with editing
[12:23] <tritium> _phate_, hostname is in /etc/hostname.  Also, see the manpage for the "hostname" command.
[12:23] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, when do you think i could get hoary from cd?
[12:23] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: right now. :)
[12:24] <Grexo> have any of u tried uwb yet?
[12:24] <Grexo> is the range actually limited to 10 meters?
[12:24] <Grexo> oh also
[12:24] <daniels> MacPlusG3: hm.  phone booking?
[12:24] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so what if i order some cd of ubuntu off site there cd will now change form warty t ohoary?
[12:24] <Grexo> i would like to develop uwb software for ubuntu
[12:24] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: oh... to order. I'm not sure if they sell the Hoary arrays.
[12:24] <Grexo> im gonna need uwb support :P
[12:24] <kkathman> Quinn..thanks...its a Celeron 500MHz
[12:25] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: I don't think they do; you'll likely have to wait for the official. April 6th.
[12:25] <apokryphos> (roughly)
[12:25] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so what where you thinking of ::P
[12:25] <Grexo> ubuntu doesnt support uwb yet i take it right?
[12:25] <Grexo> since nothing is really out yet
[12:25] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: downloading the ISO. Momentarily forgot about BT evilness.
[12:25] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i found the email with the 'welcome to' stuff from last time. pity they don't mail you your password
[12:25] <latinboy_webcam> :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com
[12:26] <slept> looking for spam ?
[12:26] <apokryphos> charming
[12:26] <smouche> don't you hate that stuff
[12:26] <Kamion> Fl-i-nT: we don't ship the arrays, no
[12:26] <Grexo> hey kamion
[12:26] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, well i have schule tommorow so good night and shoot some windows lol bye bye all c'ya all tommorow be bad ;)
[12:26] <Kamion> hi
[12:26] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh
[12:26] <Kamion> Grexo: uwb?
[12:26] <Grexo> kamion:  ubuntu preview is NICE :)
[12:26] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: See ya. :)
[12:26] <Fl-i-nT> kamion are you from the shiping department?
[12:26] <Kamion> Fl-i-nT: no, I'm the guy who does the Array releases though
[12:26] <Grexo> kamion:  Cant wait for the final........ preview fixed up all my major bugs
[12:26] <smouche> I want an ubuntu t-shirt.  anything but brown, please
[12:26] <_phate_> I screwed up my sources.list where can I get the default one >_<
[12:27] <Grexo> kamion i used to have that major partitioning issue with windows and linux
[12:27] <apokryphos> _phate_: hoary?
[12:27] <_phate_> yes
[12:27] <Grexo> all gone :)
[12:27] <Coily> so... unless my moniter can save 2 different x,y positions im screwed when switching between linux, xp?
[12:27] <Fl-i-nT> Kamion,  do you have any idea when you will though
[12:27] <apokryphos> _phate_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:27] <slept> _phate_ apt-setup
[12:27] <Grexo> kamion:  ultrawideband... its kinda like wifi
[12:27] <Grexo> in a sense
[12:27] <Kamion> Fl-i-nT: no sooner than final release on 6 April
[12:27] <Grexo> its different tho
[12:27] <hde> Hello, where can I get Hoary?
[12:27] <Grexo> oooooo april 6, kewl
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> once again another stupid question: alt+tab pretty much is a generic command that most os gui would usually have by default
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> am I right?
[12:27] <Coily> anyone?
[12:27] <apokryphos> hde: check the link I just posted.
[12:28] <Kamion> Grexo: ah, you've definitely confirmed that that partitioning issue is gone? good, it's been incredibly hard to get success reports for that
[12:28] <Grexo> kamion im addicted to this opensource thing :)
[12:28] <apokryphos> hde: oh, you just joined... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:28] <hde> apokryphos: :)
[12:28] <Grexo> kamion:  with preview it was gone
[12:28] <Coily> repeat:
[12:28] <Coily> so... unless my moniter can save 2 different x,y positions im screwed when switching between linux, xp?
[12:28] <hde> apokryphos: Thanks.
[12:28] <apokryphos> np :)
[12:28] <latinboy_webcam> :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com
[12:28] <apokryphos> hde: that is presuming that (i) you already have warty, and (ii) you're willing to download it from apt.
[12:28] <P229> Coily: pretty much
[12:28] <Kamion> Grexo: yeah, that was gone ages ago, Array CD 2
[12:29] <Coily> P229, ='[
[12:29] <hde> apokryphos: Nope, am.
[12:29] <hde> I will install then use apt.
[12:29] <apokryphos> latinboy_webcam: This is hardly the best place to look for ladies.
[12:29] <Kamion> fabbione: speaking of other channels, wake up and do something about latinboy_webcam :)
[12:29] <apokryphos> hde: you're not on warty?
[12:29] <hde> Nope.
[12:29] <fabbione> Kamion: ?
[12:29] <Zugot> is us.archive.ubuntu.com up?
[12:29] <setite> how do i reinstall linux
[12:29] <hde> But I will be.
[12:29] <setite> over the current installation
[12:29] <Kamion> fabbione: spammer
[12:29] <apokryphos> fabbione: look up ^
[12:30] <fabbione> Kamion: right...
[12:30] <latinboy_webcam> what is up
[12:30] <setite> or would apt-get dist-upgrade work
[12:30] <latinboy_webcam> i am inoccent
[12:30] <setite> anything i just want back in
[12:30] <apokryphos> hde: go straight for Hoary then. See /topic
[12:30] <hde> ok
[12:30] <Fl-i-nT> Kamion you'll be happy to know ive done my job i gave away 10 cd's to people in my school i am spreading linux and believe me it shard
[12:30] <Kamion> Fl-i-nT: we all appreciate it :)
[12:30] <Kamion> Zugot: didn't seem to be, earlier
[12:31] <Zugot> damn
[12:31] <Zugot> figures it wouldn't be when i actually want to get something working
[12:31] <tjs> does ubuntu have any form of gui for managing init.d scripts and services per runlevel?
[12:31] <Fl-i-nT> this tiem round can i order 20 or si that too many?
[12:31] <slept> setite: you don't have to reinstall for sure not , how far did you get with editing
[12:31] <setite> i cant edit the file
[12:31] <black_Nightmare> hm anyone?
[12:31] <apokryphos> setite: which file, and why not?
[12:31] <slept> setite: with sudo ?
[12:31] <Kamion> Zugot: it's just that mirror though, AFAIK
[12:31] <setite> sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf brings up a blank file
[12:31] <Grexo> ack
[12:31] <Kamion> Fl-i-nT: 20 should be fine
[12:32] <setite> soemtimes a new file
[12:32] <hde> err downing.lol
[12:32] <slept> setite : still live-cd ?
[12:32] <Zugot> Kamion, ah...
[12:32] <Kamion> setite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf; case is significant
[12:32] <LinuxJones> setite, it case sensitive
[12:32] <Quest-Master> Has anyone gotten Enlightenment-17 working on Hoary?
[12:32] <Absenth> afternoon all
[12:32] <setite> stupid case sensitivity!!!!
[12:32] <setite> brb
[12:32] <kkathman> Quinn - sorry I was otherwise preoccupied at the moment
[12:32] <LinuxJones> setite, if you hit the (tab) key bash will auto-complete for you
[12:33] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows which Apt package I need to grab to re-install "libXaw.so.6"
[12:33] <kkathman> So with only 96 MB you think KDE would still perform?
[12:33] <azeem> Absenth: dpkg -S libXaw.so.6
[12:33] <Fl-i-nT> Kamion, godo ngiht
[12:33] <kkathman> I think Im going to splurge $80.00 and upgrade the memory
[12:33] <sic|> what is the trick to making samba stable...mine works about 50% of the time...it is more stable running it with wins server enabled...but it just failed for no reason
[12:33] <Quest-Master> Also, anyone think Kubuntu is faster than normal Gnome?
[12:33] <Absenth> Azeem where do I get the file to dpkg?
[12:33] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: me :P. I'm sure Gnome users think the same but visa versa. :)
[12:34] <Absenth> Azeem, Citrix is erroring on the shared libraries post a Hoary dist-upgrade
[12:34] <azeem> Absenth: no idea what you mean, sorry
[12:34] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: I'm looking into XFCE and KDE since Gnome's main menu in Hoary takes exactly 10 seconds to load
[12:34] <P229> Quest-Master: if you want something faster, use xfce or a lighter window manager
[12:34] <Quest-Master> P229: I'm gonna go for XFCE most likely
[12:34] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: what are your specs?
[12:34] <kkathman> so I can do an apt-get install kbuntu-desktop and that will do it eh?
[12:35] <apokryphos> kkathman: that's right. See www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE for the info
[12:35] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: 256MB RAM and 2.2Ghz Celeron
[12:35] <_phate_> I just ran apt-setup, after searching the CD it gave me this: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/108
[12:35] <P229> Quest-Master: yeah, kde takes a while to load, too
[12:35] <kkathman> okie doke
[12:35] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: erm... you don't need a lightweight desktop
[12:35] <nerv> I was wondering if you guys could help me with one more problem I seem to be having
[12:35] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: kde will run quite well on that.
[12:35] <_phate_> what does it mean
[12:36] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: Yeah. My computer runs Windows (nooo) and the old Gnome just fine, but Gnome's new app. menu takes unbearably long to load
[12:36] <Absenth> Hmmm, it appears that file, or those libraries are related to XFree86,  which might explain why after upgrading to Hoary Citrix can't locate it.
[12:36] <slept> nerv : don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:36] <apokryphos> _phate_: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?
[12:36] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: KDE is real nice. :)
[12:36] <MacPlusG3> daniels: do you know where your seats are?
[12:36] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: Will most likely try KDE then XFCE. I really like a lot of KDE's apps. Quanta and Konqueror <3
[12:37] <nerv> I have an external harddrive that I connect through USB. I was running SuSE before this an it would automount the harddrive whenever I turned it on and I'd have instant access. But after a while it would detect the harddrive but have trouble detecting the files and such, it even stopped letting me write to the harddrive. I tried it on a laptop with XP and the harddrive worked perfect, But I seem to still have this problem on Unbuntu
[12:37] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: if you're looking to install, see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE for details. Also, might be worth noting that #kubuntu channel exists.
[12:37] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: Does Kubuntu still have the problem with sudo?
[12:37] <Zugot> ah... changed us.archive.ubuntu.com to ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <Zugot> this will work for now...
[12:37] <Zugot> Quest-Master, gnome is crazy fast on my box... takes about 5 seconds
[12:37] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: I've tried Kubuntu before. :) It just wasn't working very well the last time I tried it.
[12:37] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: nope. As mentioned in the link, that "problem" is resolved. Minor editing needed, but no problems.
[12:37] <Quest-Master> Zugot: I don't know what's wrong with my Gnome then.
[12:37] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: on Warty?
[12:38] <Zugot> Quest-Master, i run ubuntu for amd64
[12:38] <Zugot> everything is way fast
[12:38] <setite_> ok slept
[12:38] <setite_> you are a god... and so is the case sensitive guy
[12:38] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: Well, lucky you. I'm on a Celeron. :P
[12:38] <setite_> case sensitivity is the devil
[12:38] <nerv> I just recently turned on the harddrive and Ubuntu is still trying to read it, that was about 5 minutes ago
[12:38] <setite_> now im back to the problem that led to the other
[12:38] <setite_> black bars
[12:38] <nerv> After a while it will detect all the files tho
[12:38] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: I'm not on AMD 64. :P
[12:38] <setite_> how do i successfully add my resolution
[12:38] <kkathman> Apokryphos - do I just do the apt-get install kbuntu-desktop  or do I follow that site you mentioned, because they say to download the kde core and go from there
[12:38] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: Athlon here. 2.8, though.
[12:38] <Zugot> i'm just happy to get linux running on this laptop...
[12:38] <Quest-Master> apokryphos: My bad. Wrong name.
[12:38] <_phate_> apokryphos, http://www.pastebin.com/261539
[12:39] <Zugot> the newest hoary is the only thing i can get on it
[12:39] <apokryphos> kkathman: not quite.. it says you have three options, right?
[12:39] <kkathman> Under Hoary yes
[12:39] <nerv> Anyone have any idea?
[12:39] <kkathman> Im on Warty
[12:40] <casteel> any way i can set up internet connection sharing for my xbox?
[12:40] <apokryphos> kkathman: Oh... what's your Internet speed like?
[12:40] <kkathman> DSL
[12:40] <apokryphos> _phate_: does sudo apt-get update produce errors?
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> anyone succesfully using debmirror on ubuntu?
[12:40] <apokryphos> kkathman: why not go for Hoary then?
[12:40] <setite_> slept or apokryphos
[12:40] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: no worries. :)
[12:40] <slept> setite_: edit the configuration file just add the resolution you want in front of the resolutions you got"1223423232x231231231"
[12:40] <setite_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12225&highlight=dell+2005fpw  is this the solution?? i added that as well as the other things but when i went to remove the mistakes it wasnt there
[12:40] <apokryphos> setite: yeah?
[12:41] <setite_> so replace my current resolution in the file and reboot?
[12:41] <kkathman> apkoryphos - well I just installed the standard Warty from the dowload ...I guess ;)
[12:41] <setite_> that simple
[12:41] <slept> setite: its in the "screen" section
[12:41] <apokryphos> kkathman: Hoary is the way to go. :) As a note, you can use TAB for autocompletion of IRC-nicknames.
[12:41] <Zugot> how come there isn't a linux-restricted modules for the newest 2.6.11 kernel for amd64-k8
[12:42] <apokryphos> setite: what's the problem?
[12:42] <Zugot> that blows
[12:42] <slept> setite_ it's not stupid windows, you don't have to reboot , only if you want an other kernel
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> Zugot: use 2.6.10
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> -5
[12:42] <Zugot> HrdwrBoB, i'm about to...
[12:42] <Zugot> thannks
[12:42] <kkathman> Isnt Hoary the unstable one?
[12:42] <Kamion> Zugot: 2.6.11 isn't something we'll be releasing with hoary; that kernel package is kind of broken and out of date anyway
[12:42] <Zugot> Kamion, thanks... i'll remove it now
[12:42] <Kamion> it'll be updated to 2.6.11.2 or newer eventually
[12:42] <slept> setite: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:42] <setite_> well i mean kill x
[12:42] <setite_> ok can i just ass a subsection to screens
[12:43] <setite_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:43] <setite_> 		Depth		24
[12:43] <setite_> 		Modes		"1600x1050"
[12:43] <setite_> 	EndSubSection
[12:43] <setite_> would that suffice
[12:43] <LinuxJones> Any indication as to when "Beagle" will make an appearance in Ubuntu ??
[12:44] <_phate_> apokryphos, it seems to be downloading but its being slower then snot
[12:44] <Absenth> is anyone here on Hoary, using Citrix?
[12:44] <setite_> yes?
[12:45] <apokryphos> _phate_: if you're doing it for the first time it'll likely take some time. You got a fast connection?
[12:45] <slept> setite_ : the best way is to "comment " the current section with # at the beginning of the lines , and then write a new section so it s easier to fix things later if you break them
[12:45] <odie5533> hey
[12:45] <odie5533> I just got
[12:45] <odie5533> cannot grab mouse
[12:45] <kkathman> apokryphos: so I suppose there is some "easy" way to go from warty to hoary?
[12:45] <odie5533> malicious client may be eves dropping
[12:45] <apokryphos> kkathman: A very easy way, yes. As in, requiring the alteration of one file and two commands. :)
[12:45] <Absenth> kkathman, on a fast connection, it's edit one file, and two command line entries
[12:46] <odie5533> anoyne know what I should do?
[12:46] <_phate_> apokryphos, yes I have a 6MB dl on cable and a 2MB upload
[12:46] <_phate_> its great for Xbox live
[12:46] <apokryphos> _phate_: sweet. You shouldn't be experiencing any slowness... has it not finished?
[12:47] <_phate_> now its giving me errors
[12:47] <_phate_> I'll paste them
[12:47] <kkathman> apokryphos:  can you point me in that direction then?
[12:47] <apokryphos> _phate_: pastebin if they're long, or query them to me.
[12:47] <Absenth> kkathman, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (replace warty with hoary)
[12:47] <maddler> any hint for a nice kde theme? :)
[12:47] <apokryphos> kkathman: Sure. www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:47] <apokryphos> maddler: theme or window decoration?
[12:47] <Absenth> apokryphos, kkathman, that's even better :)
[12:48] <_phate_> apokryphos, http://www.pastebin.com/261541
[12:48] <apokryphos> Ah, you're using the us mirror, I forgot. A few people are reporting problems about it.
[12:48] <apokryphos> Not quite sure why. I recommend leaving and trying in a few hours or so.
[12:49] <_phate_> apokryphos, okay thanks
[12:49] <kkathman> Absenth: I figured it was a matter of changing the sources.list and running apt-get update, upgrade
[12:49] <Absenth> kkathman, dist-upgrade actually :)
[12:49] <kkathman> Ahh ok
[12:49] <kkathman> yes of course
[12:50] <CarlK_> append ramdisk_size=12890 - is there some way I can shorten/eliminate that?  my kenel append line is 264 chars long
[12:50] <daniels> MacPlusG3: no idea, sorry
[12:50] <CarlK_> or, the install's kernel append line
[12:50] <MacPlusG3> daniels: on hold on the phone....
[12:50] <MacPlusG3> daniels: internet wasn't letting me book anything.
[12:50] <daniels> bah
[12:51] <Kamion> CarlK_: there are generally other things that are better candidates for elimination; did you see my mail about that?
[12:51] <Kamion> CarlK_: assuming you're Carl Karsten
[12:51] <CarlK_> I am
[12:51] <CarlK_> I didh
[12:51] <CarlK_> t
[12:51] <bretzel> hi there :)
[12:51] <kkathman> sorry guyz, Im still feeling my way around here in Linux :)
[12:51] <Kamion> CarlK_: the one about replacing languagechooser/blah and countrychooser/blah with preseed/locale=en_US
[12:52] <pvoce> is there a question queue or should I just throw it out there?:)
[12:52] <goldfish> go ahead
[12:52] <goldfish> :)
[12:52] <apokryphos> maddler: Plastik for both, for me, lately. Though kde-look.org has a superfluity of great ones.
[12:52] <maddler> apokryphos... window decoragion... sorry... :)
[12:53] <Hackmo> Can someone help me with my java plugin for firefox problem please?
[12:53] <maddler> hmmm... I don't like plastik :)
[12:53] <apokryphos> np :)
[12:53] <maddler> gh
[12:53] <maddler> I prfer smtg... hmmm... "smaller"
[12:53] <pvoce> Ive googled and looked through forums for this error loading up nvidia glx drivers:
[12:53] <Shoda1> Has anyone a idea why my at key isn't working? german keyboard, CTRL+ALT+Q doesn't do anything
[12:53] <bretzel> Just want to make a comment: Yet I installed kubuntu-destop and switched to KDE (3.4) for a couple of days ...and ... Can't get rid of GNOME! that is funny, I use much KDE apps but as win-manager, I prefer GNOME now!!
[12:53] <pvoce> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[12:54] <apokryphos> maddler: There's plenty of other good ones... one sec, I'll check my kcontrol
[12:54] <apokryphos> bretzel: if you want to keep gtk apps (firefox, gaim, xchat), then you'll have to keep gtk related stuff.
[12:54] <maddler> Brent... I tried gnome today... but I'm missing a lot of function I'm used to with kde
[12:54] <maddler> hehe
[12:54] <maddler> apokryphos... thx... :)
[12:54] <geneo93> c4 aint bad
[12:54] <apokryphos> bretzel: a few have asked; gnome-session looks reasonably core-ish, so I recommend trying to remove that.
[12:54] <apokryphos> maddler: ok, they're not installed :P. Forgot I meddled with that stuff recently...
[12:55] <Hackmo> Can anyone tell me why my java plugin doesn't work in firefox?
[12:55] <apokryphos> maddler: however, check on www.kde-look.org It's great. Select "Window Decorations" and check highest rated/most downloaded
[12:55] <kkathman> oops..thats what I get for pasting something to someone :)
[12:55] <CarlK_> Kamion - I missed that
[12:55] <goldfish> lol
[12:55] <Kamion> CarlK_: ok, I think that should give you plenty of sparc
[12:55] <Kamion> er, space
[12:55] <bretzel> apokryphos: I said I prefer Gnone over KDE for the xwindow session-window manager... Yet I need kde tho -- but can't live without GNOME that what I wanted to say :-)
[12:55] <Kamion> architectures on the brain
[12:55] <geneo93> well you can have gnome does fit me
[12:55] <pvoce> hackmo: you need tp sym link the libfile in your .mozilla/firefox/plugins dir
[12:55] <CarlK_> yeah - I just need 9 less chars
[12:55] <maddler> apokryphos... doing already... :) was only looking for suggestions :)
[12:56] <CarlK_> i think
[12:56] <Kamion> CarlK_: yep
[12:56] <daniels> Kamion: alpha arm m68k s390 sh
[12:56] <apokryphos> bretzel: session window manager? Do you mean gdm?
[12:56] <Hackmo> pvoce: I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org but it didn't work
[12:56] <Kamion> limits are at most 256 characters (possibly -1 for null terminator), at most 32 arguments without =, at most 32 arguments with =
[12:56] <pvoce> hackmo: which version of java did you install?
[12:57] <bretzel> I said "can't get rid of gnome" in the sense of that I cannot live without :-) 8-) - session/window-manager... both, but I actually use KDM and run Gnome hahah!
[12:57] <Hackmo> pvoce: 1.5.0_02"
[12:57] <Kamion> CarlK_: hopefully it'll get a lot easier in future as we pull preseed back to take effect earlier, following the example of kickseed
[12:57] <setite_> shit
[12:57] <Kamion> anyway, sleep
[12:57] <setite_> well after fighting back into ubuntu... the new resolution is not selectable
[12:57] <setite_> should i upgrade my driver
[12:57] <apokryphos> maddler: A lot of people like Baghira (sp), but I don't like it much. Lipstik and ActiveHeart are good, imo.
[12:58] <CarlK_> Kamion, how much earlier can it get?
[12:58] <geneo93> bretzel:  kde has login manager dont it
[12:58] <setite_> wheres synaptic
[12:58] <bretzel> -- uh.. sorry if my english isn't enough skilled... :-)
[12:59] <apokryphos> setite: Alt + F2 > gksudo synaptic
[12:59] <setite_> is there something in the programs though
[12:59] <Kamion> CarlK_: kickstart happens before any questions at all
[12:59] <Hackmo> pvoce: any ideas?
[12:59] <apokryphos> setite: erm, what?
[12:59] <bretzel> briefely, I just wanted to say that I need KDE but I prefer to run KDE apps into gnome session --- voila! :-P
[12:59] <Kamion> CarlK_: so potentially right to the start
[12:59] <setite_> nvm found it
[01:00] <pvoce> hackmo: did you create a symlink for the libjava*.oji?
[01:00] <CarlK_> Kamion - but the netboot (my focus) won't read preseed from a floppy, only the lan
[01:00] <pvoce> bbiab...wife tells me supper is ready
[01:00] <CarlK_> Kamion - and there are lan setup questions
[01:00] <Kamion> CarlK_: that's the current situation, certainly; it doesn't have to stay that way
[01:00] <MacPlusG3> daniels: couldn't get any more tickets for tonight. soonest i seem to be able to get is sunday
[01:00] <Kamion> CarlK_: yes, the same issues apply to kickstart and I solved them
[01:01] <maddler> apokryphos... baghira would be nice... but it gaves me some error while compiling... :(
[01:01] <Hackmo> pvoce: how do I create a symlink?
[01:01] <P229> Hackmo: man ln
[01:01] <CarlK_> Kamion - grovy ;)
[01:01] <apokryphos> maddler: what error?
[01:01] <Kamion> CarlK_: basically kickstart tries to bring up the network noninteractively whatever way it can manage it
[01:01] <bretzel> And I prefer gnome over KDE because of Ubuntu ...
[01:01] <Kamion> and then you reconfigure properly later
[01:01] <CarlK_> Kamion - what does the -- in the append line mean?
[01:02] <yasirf> hello
[01:02] <apokryphos> bretzel: because of Ubuntu?
[01:02] <Kamion> if you need to override with kernel arguments to use a particular network interface or whatever, you can
[01:02] <CarlK_> Kamion - duh.. good idea
[01:02] <Kamion> CarlK_: arguments after -- get passed through to the second-stage bootloader configuration, e.g. /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:02] <maddler> apokryphos... private...
[01:03] <jesus\> is there a way to test the java looking glass project in ubuntu?
[01:03] <yasirf> hello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server
[01:03] <Hackmo> pvoce: yes I have created a symlink
[01:03] <CarlK_> Kamion oh, I thought they were passed to the installer - no wonder things got screwy
[01:03] <chillywilly> jesus\: nice nick ;)
[01:03] <Hackmo> pvoce: that's what it tells me to do on ubuntuguide.org but it still does not work
[01:03] <CarlK_> Kamion - so I can get rid of the -- ?
[01:03] <Kamion> CarlK_: they're passed to the installer as well
[01:03] <Kamion> CarlK_: if I were you I'd put the -- last
[01:03] <daniels> MacPlusG3: sunday?  i thought it was only on until saturday?
[01:04] <Kamion> CarlK_: the intent is that bootloader configuration always has "--" at the end
[01:04] <Shoda1> Damn...still can't apt-get libqt-mt
[01:04] <MacPlusG3> daniels: well... they list it on ticktmaster
[01:04] <CarlK_> Kamion - no prob, I am down to 240 chars
[01:04] <Kamion> CarlK_: then people can boot with "linux mymagicargument" and have mymagicargument passed to both installer kernel and target kernel
[01:04] <CarlK_> I can spare the extra 3 ;)
[01:05] <Kamion> CarlK_: losing -- is an option if you're desperate later, though
[01:05] <daniels> MacPlusG3: hm
[01:05] <yasirf> hello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server
[01:05] <yasirf> hello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server
[01:05] <apokryphos> jesus\: yes, though I haven't tried it. Follow the instructions on the site (java one).
[01:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: must have put on an extra night or something.... or printed it in the guide wrong
[01:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: no, the comedy festival web site is either wrong, or ticktmaster is taking bookings for a night that doesn't exist
[01:07] <geneo93> Kamion:  while your on the subject why didn't warty detect my smp
[01:07] <Hackmo> so anyone got any ideas why java isn't working?
[01:08] <Kamion> geneo93: SMP kernels aren't on the CD for space reasons; it *did* detect SMP, but it fell back to the standard kernel
[01:08] <Kamion> geneo93: netboot installations should install the SMP kernel
[01:09] <puppet> Hi all
[01:09] <Kamion> geneo93: we've discussed this and we don't believe it's more important than, say, having more translations on the CD so that more people can make use of it
[01:09] <puppet> Im starting to hate v4l2 :(
[01:09] <nekrataal> hello
[01:09] <geneo93> Kamion:  why not leave open office of instead
[01:09] <poize> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=754322077423056727323d&m=screen <- does anyone know what font that is, or a font that is similar to it?
[01:09] <Kamion> geneo93: not happening
[01:10] <Kamion> geneo93: it's a standard part of the Ubuntu desktop; trading it for SMP kernels would not be a sensible trade
[01:10] <nekrataal> ive installed acroread from the multiverse on Hoary, but when i try to launch it it says: nekrataal@seidel:~$ acroread
[01:10] <nekrataal> /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[01:10] <geneo93> Kamion:  or even emacs
[01:10] <puppet> anyone know how to get back regular V4L support instead of v4l2?
[01:10] <nekrataal> whats wrong??, i installed it using apt-get install acroread...
[01:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: hmmmmmmm
[01:10] <geneo93> but emacs who would use that these days
[01:11] <Kamion> geneo93: please don't try to start an editor war here; it will not produce useful results
[01:11] <declan> I don't know about acroread, but the same happened to me.  It seems normal.  In the Ubuntu starter guide, one of them, there is a fix.  I don't have the link, but just look at the starter guides.
[01:11] <|QuaD-> nekrataal: you know there are pdf readers included with debian?
[01:11] <declan> Acrobat is sometimes the most reliable
[01:12] <kevman`> Where is Xmms installed?
[01:12] <meanimal> has anyone had considerable experience using all three of arch linux, slackware, and ubuntu? i've been using slackware for years, but feeling like its sole maintainer might not be enough to keep it going.. :)
[01:12] <nekrataal> |QuaD-, yes, but they are the hell of slowers compared to acroread
[01:12] <nekrataal> it takes for ever to chanche the page on large files..
[01:12] <CarlK_> Kamion - is the hosthame come before or after preseed/url=http://192.168.1.22/preseed.cfg ?
[01:12] <geneo93> Kamion:  but isn't gedit enough
[01:12] <|QuaD-> nekrataal: ok
[01:12] <declan> /usr/bin/xmms
[01:12] <Kamion> CarlK_: order on the kernel command line isn't important
[01:13] <Kamion> at least not the position of debconf preseeds
[01:13] <poize> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=754322077423056727323d&m=screen <- does anyone know what font that is, or a font that is similar to it?
[01:13] <CarlK_> Kamion - so I have to pass it as a kernel parameter, not set it in preseed.cfg
[01:13] <Kamion> CarlK_: oh, sorry, I see what you mean now
[01:14] <Kamion> CarlK_: it's before
[01:14] <netmonk> hello! how do i add fonts in hoary?
[01:14] <CarlK_> Kamion - know what I need to pass? (or where the docs for this is)
[01:14] <kevman`> declan, isn't there a folder where it stores plugins and stuff?
[01:14] <meanimal> poize, might be smoothansi?
[01:14] <loaofwar3> hi i am new to ubuntu and hav trouble with the apt-get option
[01:14] <declan> I don't know.  Let's see...
[01:14] <sysrq> anyone else having issues with dpkg freezing and then going defunct on hoary?
[01:15] <loaofwar3> can any help me with the apt-get ?
[01:15] <Kamion> CarlK_: the question name is in the example preseed file in manual section C.1
[01:15] <Kamion> CarlK_: netcfg/get_hostname=whatever
[01:15] <Fackamato> loaofwar3: ?
[01:15] <apokryphos7> loaofwar3: what's the problem?
[01:15] <poize> meanimal thanks ill look
[01:15] <loaofwar3> i am trying to install acroread
[01:15] <CarlK_> Kamion - thanks.
[01:15] <loaofwar3> but apt get says it cant find package
[01:15] <Kamion> CarlK_: which will put you over your limit, I guess - what's your current line?
[01:15] <meanimal> poize, it probably isn't actually, i think it's andale mono
[01:16] <Quest-Master> loaofwar3: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[01:16] <nekrataal> thanks i found the solution
[01:16] <nekrataal> ;)
[01:16] <meanimal> although smoothansi is nice.
[01:16] <loaofwar3> yes
[01:16] <loaofwar3> i do
[01:16] <loaofwar3> heres the error message i get
[01:16] <meanimal> Andale Mono i find is more productive though
[01:16] <|QuaD-> loaofwar3: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[01:16] <Quest-Master> loaofwar3: sudo apt-get update
[01:16] <loaofwar3> i did
[01:16] <Kamion> CarlK_: I almost wonder if it might not make more sense to combine kickstart and traditional preseeding in your case :-)
[01:16] <poize> thanks
[01:16] <sickFLame> Hi. Is there any VPN client in Hoary Live supporting MS Encryption ? I cant find the "pptp-client" included in standart install cd.
[01:16] <nekrataal> damn its ugly....
[01:16] <nekrataal> heheh
[01:16] <Kamion> but kickstart in Ubuntu is still *completely* undocumented so that's probably not helpful
[01:17] <CarlK_> Kamion - stil under (I dumped a path and have another to spare)
[01:17] <nekrataal> anyone knows about a GTK version of the acrobar reader???
[01:17] <loaofwar3> sorry i got disconnected
[01:17] <loaofwar3> for pasting the error message
[01:17] <Kamion> sickFLame: the pptp-linux package is on the CD
[01:17] <nekrataal> its really nasty hahah
[01:17] <loaofwar3> i guess it was too long
[01:17] <meanimal> nekrataal, try ggv
[01:17] <apokryphos7> loaofwar3: are you on hoary?
[01:17] <loaofwar3> nope
[01:17] <loaofwar3> i am running 4.10
[01:17] <nekrataal> meanimal, its to slow....
[01:17] <mjr> nekrataal, it's currently in beta
[01:17] <loaofwar3> 4.10 on a amd64
[01:17] <nekrataal> on big files..
[01:17] <meanimal> i don't think there are other options
[01:17] <nekrataal> mjr, ??
[01:18] <meanimal> besides xpdf, but that's not gtk !
[01:18] <nekrataal> the gtk version of the acrobat reader?
[01:18] <apokryphos7> loaofwar3: it should be there... in Multiverse repository.
[01:18] <CarlK_> Kamion -  http://phpfi.com/55248
[01:18] <loaofwar3> its not there
[01:18] <loaofwar3> i cant even connect to the last 4 servers
[01:18] <loaofwar3> every time i go to the package management gui
[01:18] <loaofwar3> it gives me error message
[01:18] <hardy> Can i install LimeWire through Synaptic?
[01:18] <CarlK_> Kamion - I moved initrd.gz to the root of my tftp dir
[01:18] <loaofwar3> cant connect to the servers
[01:18] <apokryphos7> loaofwar3: some people are reporting repository problems... that might be why
[01:18] <Kamion> CarlK_: netcfg/wireless_wep there is a dup, you can drop it
[01:18] <black_Nightmare> any of you play lincity? :p
[01:18] <Kamion> the first one
[01:18] <CarlK_> doh
[01:18] <apokryphos7> loaofwar3: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?
[01:18] <Quest-Master> What's happening to the repos.?
[01:18] <kevman`> Where do I put plugins for Xmms?
[01:19] <loaofwar3> ok ill try
[01:19] <geneo93> ahh you need to enable them
[01:19] <apokryphos7> erm
[01:19] <sickFLame> Kamion, it is included in the INSTALL Cd but i can't find it in the Live CD Packets LIST, so that's why am asking.
[01:19] <darkgamer20> hey everyone
[01:19] <darkgamer20> how is everyone to day?
[01:19] <Kamion> sickFLame: oh, you said "can't find ... on the standard install CD"
[01:20] <Kamion> sickFLame: that kind of software is not on the live CD as yet, although there's been some discussion about adding it there
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> I'm finding lincity quite fun -- got to thank that I noticed it in the software list then noticed there was a win32 port
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> :)
[01:20] <puppet> no one that have check on v4l2 and v4l?
[01:20] <Kamion> CarlK_: anyhow, really sleep time now ...
[01:20] <CarlK_> Kamion - thanks for your help
[01:20] <loaofwar3> just pasted it
[01:20] <CarlK_> I think you gave me what I need to get 3 boxe up tonight
[01:21] <sickFLame> Kamion, Thank you, and excuse me for the wrong question below.
[01:21] <loaofwar3> apokryphos7: loaofwar3: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list? just pasted it
[01:21] <jesus\> "keyboard shortcuts" are cool, but how can I combine the "windows" key with a character?
[01:21] <pvoce> ok...back
[01:21] <loaofwar3> http://www.pastebin.com/261551
[01:21] <declan> kevman, do you need to put them somewhere manually?  Are you apt-getting them?
[01:22] <morgala> hey would you guys say ubuntu is more or less resource hungry than win xp?
[01:22] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: and an apt-get update is not successful?
[01:22] <pvoce> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[01:22] <loaofwar3> i followed the exact instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:22] <kevman`> I need to place it in Xmms's plugin directory
[01:22] <loaofwar3> ill try update again
[01:22] <declan> Just curious. I don't know much about these things myself.
[01:22] <apokryphos> morgala: more resource hungry, as in... more hdd space taken up.
[01:22] <pvoce> is that with the actual .deb file or something on my end?
[01:22] <kevman`> But, I can't find Xmms's dir
[01:22] <loaofwar3> still cant connect to the last 4 links
[01:22] <morgala> processor and ram?
[01:22] <declan> I just apt-got xmms-flac and xmms-shn, without wondering where to put them
[01:22] <loaofwar3> nope apt update dont owrk
[01:23] <apokryphos> morgala: oh. Hmm, not quite sure. It depends on your desktop environment etc..
[01:23] <WhiteRabbit> apt-get update
[01:23] <loaofwar3> i guess it has problems with 64bit ver?
[01:23] <loaofwar3> is it a bug?
[01:23] <odie5533> welcome :D
[01:24] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: since others have been reporting errors tonight, I wouldn't presuppose that. I recommend updating your sources in a few hours and re-trying
[01:24] <TripleBla> hello
[01:24] <morgala> yeah... i know it is a bit of a dumb wuestion but i want a desktop linux for 5-3 year old systems... min p2 450 min 128mb ram... 3gb hdd
[01:24] <loaofwar3> i hav been trying since yesterday
[01:24] <pvoce> thats the most debug I can get with the term scroll
[01:24] <declan> Is it /usr/lib/xmms/input?
[01:24] <loaofwar3> is the servers just down?
[01:24] <apokryphos> morgala: that should run fine with Linux
[01:24] <loaofwar3> how else can i view pdf files?
[01:24] <pvoce> morgala: outside of the ubuntu, older slack versions are good for them
[01:25] <loaofwar3> i really need to read pdf
[01:25] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: can you pastebin all the errors?
[01:25] <morgala> oh and i want a desktop linux that would make win users happy...
[01:25] <declan> Sorry kevman, make that /usr/lib/xmms/Input
[01:25] <loaofwar3> ok
[01:25] <pvoce> morgala: Im sorry, I dont know of any distros that BSOD:))
[01:25] <apokryphos> morgala: Linux requires diligence to get used to, but Windoze -> Ubuntu is not too extreme. I would recommend it, sure.
[01:26] <loaofwar3> just pasted
[01:26] <loaofwar3> http://pastebin.com/261553
[01:26] <ewhitten> I have an amd64 system w/ an nforce3 motherboard an ati x800 card that keeps spontaneously locking up.  anyone have any thoughts?
[01:26] <ewhitten> (running hoary)
[01:26] <morgala> ewhitten: is everything keeping its cool?
[01:26] <pvoce> ehitten: is it just locking up as in the x-server or the entire box?
[01:27] <ewhitten> entire box... and no outputs to /var/log/messages
[01:27] <ewhitten> morgala: I should think so.  Antec case with way too many fans on it. :)
[01:27] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: comment out the nerim ones there and retry
[01:27] <ewhitten> but I guess I could grab gkrellm and take a look.
[01:27] <pvoce> ewitten: is it rebooting spontaneously at all?
[01:27] <loaofwar3> ok
[01:28] <morgala> ewhitten: mmmm... aahhhh... antec case... droool...
[01:28] <ewhitten> pvoce: nope.  just complete lock...never had a linux box do this in like 10 years. :-/
[01:28] <pvoce> ehitten: Neither have I...thats why I ask:)  Can you drop out of X to cl and run from there for a while?
[01:28] <morgala> ewhitten: have you tested the box with other OS?
[01:29] <ewhitten> morgala: yes, it occasionally runs windows off another drive.
[01:29] <ewhitten> and will stay up for days.  or, at least until it bluescreens. ;)
[01:29] <loaofwar3> i get new error mesage
[01:29] <loaofwar3> http://pastebin.com/261555
[01:29] <pvoce> ewhitten: or the better question is, does it lockup while youre only in console?
[01:30] <geneo93> pvoce:  i did me no help doing that did same thing
[01:30] <ewhitten> pvoce:  I really haven't been only at the console for long enough to check.
[01:30] <moyogo> anybody managed to get apache2 working with ssl?
[01:30] <moyogo> on hoary
[01:30] <pvoce> geneo: your machine has locked up on you in console?
[01:30] <loaofwar3> and even if i commend out the last source i still cant install acroread
[01:30] <ewhitten> I am running the fglrx driver for my video card, but leaving it on the generic ati didn't help either.
[01:31] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: you did an update first, right?
[01:31] <pvoce> ewhitten: See if you can do that.  IF its the OS, youll receive the same results.  If not, its probably and x serve or video driver issue
[01:31] <geneo93> yes several times xterm
[01:31] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: it doesn't make any sense though, because it still shouldn't give that original error
[01:31] <loaofwar3> yes
[01:31] <pvoce> ewhitten:nvidia driver?
[01:31] <loaofwar3> i did numerous updates
[01:31] <ewhitten> pvoce:  fglrx (ati) driver
[01:32] <loaofwar3> by using apt-get update
[01:32] <ewhitten> I had another machine with an ati 9200 that never had problems.  so sad.
[01:32] <geneo93> pvoce:  i think that may be it
[01:32] <loaofwar3> the server doesnt hav the files
[01:32] <pvoce> geneo: XTerm is a terminal IN X.  You need t get out of X Server altogther to just command line
[01:32] <ewhitten> of course, fglrxconfig doesn't see my card as being supported.
[01:32] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: someone might have removed it; that's what the error suggests. Try posting your error in #ubuntu-devel or putting it on the mailing list
[01:32] <geneo93> nvidia
[01:33] <loaofwar3> ok how do i post it on mailing list?
[01:33] <typo> is doind a dist-upgrade from debian sid to ubuntu hoary a good idea?
[01:33] <pvoce> ewhitten: did you get the driver from the ATI site?
[01:33] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[01:35] <Quest-Master> typo: A lot of people have done that before and have had no problems. Maybe someone in this channel has experience
[01:35] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: you just wrote about completely different errors :). You shouldn't ask about that in there... I was talking about the acroread one
[01:35] <loaofwar3> o
[01:35] <loaofwar3> ic
[01:35] <loaofwar3> oops
[01:35] <kraQ> hi all
[01:36] <typo> Quest-Master: ok, thanks
[01:36] <kraQ> I'm having problems installing openoffice.org 2.0 beta, it seems that there are missing package:
[01:36] <moyogo> ahhh... silly me... i was putting the correct line at the wrong place
[01:36] <typo> does anyone know of a Portuguese (.pt) mirror for the ubuntu packages?
[01:36] <kraQ> arc@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search org2
[01:36] <kraQ> openoffice.org2-common - OpenOffice.org office suite architecture independent files
[01:36] <kraQ> openoffice.org2-debian-files - Debian specific parts of OpenOffice.org
[01:36] <kraQ> openoffice.org2-l10n-en-us - english_american language package for OpenOffice.org
[01:37] <kraQ> sorry for the flood, openoffice.org2-core is missing for example
[01:37] <kraQ> does anyone know if I have something wrong? maybe an apt source?
[01:37] <lamont> loaofwar3: looks like the packages file isn't there on ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[01:37] <lamont> and nothing more
[01:37] <loaofwar3> ok
[01:37] <puppet> no one that have check on v4l2 and v4l? since gnomemeeting dont work at all now kinda :/ But the rest work with cam its just kinda gnomemeeting
[01:37] <loaofwar3> then how can i install acroread?
[01:38] <maddler> loaofwar3... download it from acrobat?
[01:38] <maddler> :)
[01:39] <sabmoc> loaofwar3, I installed it from apt
[01:39] <sabmoc> has it disapeared since then?
[01:39] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: :(. Better go for the mailing list then.. if you're sure that you get a "hit" for the Universe repository in apt-get update
[01:40] <lamont>  acroread_5.09-0.0_i386.deb is in the warty archive....
[01:40] <apokryphos> *Multiverse
[01:40] <kevman`> Anybody still have that link on how to disable IPv6?
[01:40] <setite_> whats the winamp clone
[01:41] <sabmoc> kevman`, open firefox go to about:config
[01:41] <lamont> apokryphos: yeah, is multiverse
[01:41] <sabmoc> then search ipv6 and you'll find it
[01:41] <apokryphos> setite: xmms
[01:41] <geneo93> xmms
[01:42] <kraQ> beep
[01:42] <kraQ> :-)
[01:42] <kevman`> Wow, its so much faster.
[01:42] <setite_> anyone know how to get my monitors native resolution to work
[01:42] <setite_> everything i try buggers the display
[01:42] <sabmoc> kevman`, did you find it?
[01:43] <kevman`> Yes, and it cut the time to load a page in half.
[01:43] <britt_radiofree> ok so I completely borked my mono. is anyone willing to take pity on me and spend a few minutes helping me figure this out (that has the mono config know-how)?
[01:45] <kevman`> WTF?
[01:45] <LinuxJones> britt_radiofree, maybe try #ubuntu-devel
[01:46] <LinuxJones> britt_radiofree, they are very busy but someont there might be able to help
[01:46] <crimsun> that's a #ubuntu question
[01:46] <kevman`> Does Ubuntu come with video4linux enabled?
[01:48] <sabmoc> WoOt! Mozilla Firefox Market Share Exceeds 6 Percent
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> exceeeds 6?
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> it's more than that
[01:49] <sabmoc> yes, but only 0.001 more, but still 6% is a good milestone
[01:49] <geneo93> kevman`:  yes
[01:50] <kevman`> Hm.
[01:51] <geneo93> kevman`:  check you /ect/x11/xfree or xorg config
[01:51] <calc> HrdwrBoB: depends on the site i guess
[01:51] <calc> though 6% does seem low
[01:51] <JanC> sabmoc : that's their market share metered by 1 company...
[01:52] <calc> since at least half of that would be linux users
[01:52] <kraQ> calc: don't think so
[01:52] <ewhitten> *sigh*
[01:52] <calc> kraQ: eh? about which part?
[01:52] <kevman`> Well, I have to get out here and go do work. Thanks for all your help, guys
[01:53] <kraQ> calc: about that half
[01:53] <JanC> I see 10-20% market share for Firefox on a lot of sites...
[01:53] <calc> there is at least 3% of the desktop market using linux
[01:53] <ewhitten> is that including people who buy windows pre-loaded and then format?
[01:53] <calc> and a large majority of those are running firefox
[01:53] <ewhitten> that's an awfully hard stat to track.
[01:54] <calc> ewhitten: i think its the general estimate for used linux boxes
[01:54] <sabmoc> JanC, I think even the mozilla team estimates it to be around 6-7% right now
[01:54] <kraQ> calc: |desktop market| != |browser market|
[01:54] <ewhitten> isn't apple predicted to have 5% of the desktop by end of year?
[01:54] <JanC> even my ISP says they have +9% of firefox users now
[01:54] <calc> ewhitten: aiui that is the lower conservative range
[01:54] <calc> ewhitten: yea i saw someone predicting that
[01:54] <kraQ> calc: and there are a lot of users using konqueror || opera instead of firefox
[01:54] <jnoon> which package installs sqlite? which repo would i need?
[01:54] <JanC> and their portal site is something where a user with a clue only comes if he really needs
[01:55] <setite_> anyone know how to get sound working with an audigy 2
[01:55] <ewhitten> hmmm... interesting.
[01:55] <setite_> im hearing nothing
[01:55] <ewhitten> setite_:  i have one
[01:55] <ewhitten> audigy 2 zs platinum
[01:55] <calc> one site i regularly look at shows gecko (moz/ff) at ~ 26% vs ~ 1.8% for opera
[01:55] <setite_> i have that... not platinum though
[01:55] <calc> and konq is so low its not even on the list
[01:55] <setite_> but im hearing nothing
[01:55] <ewhitten> setite_:  shouldn't make a difference..  I actually had to drop down to the console and use alsamixer.
[01:56] <sabmoc> JanC, http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6263
[01:56] <ewhitten> setite_:  there are a few switches that I don't think get properly flipped in gnome volume control.
[01:56] <kraQ> calc: that depends of the scope of that pages, that has no meaning at all
[01:56] <ewhitten> setite_:  I just ran the gstreamer-properties pipe test (one long tone) and kept unmuting things until I had it.
[01:56] <typo> does hoary have WPA/802.1x integrated with the desktop?
[01:56] <setite_> console...alsamixer what
[01:56] <JanC> but IE is still very popular in asia I heard, so maybe universal figures are lower than than european & maybe american ones?
[01:56] <kraQ> calc: maybe the google browsers and os visitors rank would be more ilustrative
[01:56] <setite_> im a total noob
[01:57] <ewhitten> setite_:  Oh, sorry. :)  open gnome-terminal and type: sudo alsamixer
[01:58] <ewhitten> setite_:  go to System -> Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector and hit the top Test button
[01:58] <geneo93> ewhitten:  why sudo
[01:58] <ewhitten> geneo93: force of habit?
[01:58] <calc> kraQ: google doesn't track it anymore (at least publically)
[01:58] <setite_> nothing
[01:58] <black_Nightmare> so is there nothing ubuntu can't do by itself??? (*next* to emulating of course)
[01:58] <black_Nightmare> :p
[01:58] <ewhitten> this is interesting...  I set my fglrx driver to use the kernel's AGPGART and now the card's in 8x mode instead of 4x.
[01:59] <geneo93> yeah he dont need it
[01:59] <ewhitten> <--- sheepishly hides his vmware icon. ;)
[01:59] <ewhitten> geneo93:  you do need sudo to use alsactl store, though, iirc
[02:00] <geneo93> ahh user owns alsamixer
[02:01] <setite_> ok what do i do
[02:01] <setite_> i have no sound
[02:01] <geneo93> i mean you can set it for root user also
[02:01] <setite_> tone is off whate4ver that is
[02:02] <geneo93> setite did you modprobe
[02:02] <setite_> no
[02:02] <setite_> i havent done anything
[02:02] <setite_> i dunno what to do
[02:02] <geneo93> does it tell you what card you have
[02:02] <geneo93> in alsamixer
[02:02] <setite_> yea
[02:03] <setite_> its recognized
[02:03] <geneo93> ok thats a start
[02:03] <geneo93> what card
[02:04] <setite_> yea see thats why i figured it would "just work"
[02:04] <Fackamato> anyone used mame?
[02:05] <geneo93> setite go through all them settings and make sure pcm or wave aint muted
[02:06] <setite_> well on regular mixer its not
[02:06] <setite_> on alsa mixer tone is off
[02:06] <setite_> i cant figure out how to chane it
[02:07] <LinuxJones> setite, you have onboard sound ?
[02:07] <setite_> no
[02:07] <setite_> audigy 2 zs
[02:07] <geneo93> m will change it
[02:07] <daniel_bh> Hi everybody. I am ubuntu new user
[02:07] <daniel_bh> It is great !
[02:08] <Fackamato> hihi
[02:08] <setite_> ok tone is on...
[02:08] <setite_> still nothing
[02:08] <daniel_bh> anybody from Brazil here ?
[02:09] <geneo93> setite maybe the suround is off or switched
[02:10] <geneo93> right left arrow setite and up down
[02:10] <setite_> huh
[02:11] <geneo93> thats how to scroll through alsamixer
[02:11] <setite_> yes got it
[02:12] <setite_> the analog/digital output jack option
[02:12] <setite_> had to set it to on
[02:12] <geneo93> cool beans
[02:13] <hwm> hello all. I am having trouble getting firefox to recognize the java plugin.  Help!
[02:13] <setite_> really cool beans... now i must sleep before work
[02:13] <setite_> thanks geneo
[02:15] <geneo93> setite np
[02:16] <Gus_25> anybody from brasil here?
[02:17] <hwm> I installed the free java sdk package and made the syumbolic link to libjavaplugin_oji.so, but it doesn't run applets on web pages
[02:17] <Gus_25> I installed the ubuntu but it didnt find my mouse...
[02:17] <geneo93> i'm from my mama
[02:17] <Gus_25> good for you
[02:18] <Gus_25> if u r really sure of that..
[02:18] <hwm> I previously got java to work on Firefox with a different ubuntu installation, but I can't remember what (if anything) I did differently.
[02:18] <geneo93> Gus_25:  get th neighbors cat
[02:18] <Gus_25> grow up...
[02:19] <Gus_25> and then try to be funy..
[02:19] <geneo93> hey i'm fully grown
[02:19] <knucks> anyone use tvtime here?
[02:19] <hwm> Does anyone out there have a process that does work for enabling java applets in Firefox in umbuntu?  Any actual information appreciated
[02:20] <geneo93> and quite old at that
[02:20] <Gus_25> hahahha
[02:20] <geneo93> knucks:  yes
[02:20] <Gus_25> if you say so...
[02:20] <knucks> geneo93: did you have to finetune your channels?
[02:21] <geneo93> past mid life
[02:21] <knucks> I have to finetune all my channels
[02:21] <knucks> and then when i close tvtime and open it again, they are all back to the default crap look
[02:21] <geneo93> knucks:  no but i did have some playing around to get it to work
[02:21] <knucks> do your settings save?
[02:22] <robertj_> You know, the more I think, the more I believe clear looks is the best theme I have seen yet.
[02:22] <pxro> how to change colordepth of monitor in ubuntu ?
[02:23] <pxro> didn't find anything
[02:23] <geneo93> seems to now ok
[02:23] <robertj_> pxro: AFAIK there is no way to do it through the gui
[02:23] <pxro> how else ?
[02:23] <robertj_> if it isn't as high as you can go, something is probably b0rk in the auto detection
[02:23] <Gus_25> how do i configure the mouse??
[02:24] <pxro> shice
[02:24] <geneo93> in xfree or xorg config file
[02:24] <knucks> geneo: how do i remove the channel number and everytrhing on the top of the screen?
[02:24] <robertj_> you can edit the default color depth in your X config file with a text editor but my guess is it won't work
[02:24] <knucks> i dont want to stare at the channel # and the clock
[02:24] <Gus_25> tx
[02:24] <hwm> Repeat - having difficulty getting java applets to run under Firefox.  Have installed open java sdk and inserted symbolic link per Firefox FAQ, but still doesn't work.  Any suggestions?
[02:24] <robertj_> I've got a monitor that only does 16bit under Ubuntu, if i edit the color depth it wont sync
[02:24] <geneo93> knucks:  that goes away on its own for me
[02:24] <robertj_> even though it runs fine under Windows
[02:24] <knucks> weird..
[02:25] <geneo93> like 30 seconds after
[02:26] <hwm> robertj - x-windows is a kind of black magic. Best luck I have had is stealing someone else's config files that work (for no definable reason)
[02:26] <robertj_> hwm: It's not really black magic is the lack of a hardware database
[02:26] <knucks> geneo did u configure the program guide and all?
[02:27] <robertj_> for instance, my monitor at work says "sure I can do this" and so Ubuntu sets it as my default res for X, but in fact the monitor just gives me a black screen
[02:27] <robertj_> I google for the monitor, get the correct values, but there is noowhere upstream to send this info
[02:27] <geneo93> no
[02:27] <hwm> robertj - but there's all kinds of muimmery about the order in which things get turned on and an awful lot of tribal knowledge settings
[02:27] <robertj_> no database that will cause it work right in the next version of Ubuntu or for anyone else
[02:27] <robertj_> hwm: it does suck, noone contests that
[02:27] <SeeleyUSMC> Yaya!
[02:27] <robertj_> AFAIK the goal is that next year if you have problems you can rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and be happy
[02:28] <SeeleyUSMC> I still can't get my internal wireless card to work, but I found that a cheap US Robotics card works for it automatically
[02:28] <geneo93> robertj you have warty or hoary
[02:28] <hwm> Is there anyone online now who can help me to get java to function under firefox in ubuntu???
[02:29] <ironwolf> hwm: yes
[02:29] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Glad to hear it.
[02:29] <hwm> ironwolf - ok  let's hear it.
[02:29] <robertj_> gene: both
[02:29] <geneo93> hwm google ubuntu java
[02:30] <|QuaD-> hwm: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:30] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, I'm still going to work on getting the internal to work so maybe I can write a simpleton's HOWTO and maybe help someone else out
[02:30] <robertj_> gene: I've got warty on one intel box, hoary i386 on a desktop and a laptop and hoary ppc on a laptop
[02:30] <robertj_> at work I've got hoary ppc on my desktop
[02:30] <robertj_> (as well as 10.3)
[02:30] <geneo93> robertj and both do the same
[02:30] <Yomic> I need help setting up my printer (or my sister will bite my head off)
[02:31] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I think the trouble is more deeply rooted than that.  I think that you've got some oddball implementation of an Atheros chip that the madwifi driver simply doesn't know about.
[02:31] <robertj_> gene: well I haven't hooked it up to my laptop yet
[02:31] <robertj_> I need to, but it's my wifes machine ;)
[02:31] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, could be
[02:31] <robertj_> gene: its a very crappy monitor too
[02:31] <robertj_> do you know much about this sort of thing
[02:32] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What driver does your USR card use?
[02:32] <geneo93> oh dont get in trouble
[02:32] <robertj_> It really doesn't matter to me, it runs XP all day anyway and I'm buying myself a new machine in 3 months and she gets mine ;)
[02:32] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, but until I'm for sure about it, I'll keep using this card
[02:32] <geneo93> i know how that is
[02:32] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Of course! :-)
[02:32] <robertj_> (I buy a $300 machine every year)
[02:32] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, I'm not sure.  I just popped it in and it worked
[02:32] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: That's the way it should be.
[02:32] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, The box said it supported Linux so I just figured I'd try it out
[02:33] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Which card is it?
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> yyeeeeeeaahhhhhhhh
[02:33] <geneo93> robertj i've had the same machine for the last 4 years
[02:33] <Yomic> Can anyone lead me to a tutorial showing my how to setup a printer in warty? (It is a Lex x83)
[02:33] <robertj_> gene: ack, get a new one!
[02:33] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: build a basic city, put it on fast to get lots of money, then start developing
[02:34] <robertj_> gene: I bought my machine at Office Max for $300 after rebates
[02:34] <dross> mmmmm.. 2000 FPS
[02:34] <robertj_> My next machine is going to be a Dell with 17" flat panel at $500 total
[02:34] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, Its the US Robotics 802.11g Wireless Turbo PC/PCI
[02:34] <geneo93> robertj this is a dually loaded
[02:34] <black_Nightmare> quad....read these numbers....
[02:34] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Is there a model #?
[02:34] <dross> robertj_: dell isn't that great
[02:35] <NetwrkMonkey> SeeleyUSMC, it's prolly a broadcom chip
[02:35] <robertj_> dross: there monitors are above average and a 17" float panel + any new machine with 512 megs of ram is a good deal for $500
[02:35] <NetwrkMonkey> if it is ... well... you need the ndiswrapper or linuxant drivers
[02:35] <geneo93> home brew msi mobo
[02:35] <robertj_> also they tend to be rather quiet
[02:35] <dross> robertj_: depends on the hardware
[02:35] <NetwrkMonkey> otherwise go to madwifi.sourceforge.net
[02:35] <DarthFrog> NetwrkMonkey: If he just plugged it in and it worked, it ain't a Broadcom chip, for sure.
[02:35] <dross> robertj_: doesn't matter the price, you need to learn more about computers
[02:35] <robertj_> dross: why?
[02:35] <NetwrkMonkey> DarthFrog, oh heh ;-)
[02:35] <black_Nightmare> 72560 people, 4.6 tech level, 11772 food, 3362 jobs, 1459 coal, 17982 goods, 11773 ore, 6754 steel, 29M money ... and pretty much almost all of the numbers are staying somewhat neutral but cash slowly going upward
[02:36] <SeeleyUSMC> ACX 111?
[02:36] <dross> robertj_: it can be a 3.0GHz p4, with a cheap motherboard, and run like crap due to cheap hardware
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> quad...I've got tons of communes...some blacksmithers...tons of markets....several potteries
[02:36] <robertj_> dross: so its cheap
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> hehe
[02:36] <dross> though p4 is screwed by design
[02:36] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: ar you still building/ developing?
[02:36] <dross> robertj_: you should get a laptop
[02:36] <robertj_> dross: I have 2
[02:36] <dross> robertj_: M35-S456 for only 1300
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> quad...nah mostly letting it sit now....trying figure how to push it past tech 4.6 now thou
[02:36] <dross> wonderful power of P-M 1.7GHz(faster than a p4 3.2 GHz)
[02:36] <robertj_> dross: I've got a 1.6 gig celeron/512 ram/30 gig hd/DVD I bought 2.5 years ago for $760 after S&H and tax from dell
[02:37] <NetwrkMonkey> what's the wifi problem?
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> I don't even have any early windmills = wondering if I can wait for the better powerplants or what
[02:37] <dross> robertj_: yuck, celeron
[02:37] <robertj_> dross: its fine
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> dross...what is wrong with celerons?
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> robertj..ya looks fine
[02:37] <dross> robertj_: heres a nickel kid, get yourself some good hardware
[02:37] <robertj_> dross: I've got good hardware
[02:37] <|QuaD-> heh, i amg going to build a dual opteron box this summer :)
[02:37] <dross> black_Nightmare: much is wrong, You obviously haven't studied the difference
[02:37] <robertj_> its 6 or 7 months old and I'm getting a new computer in 3 months
[02:37] <DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: They're overpriced and under-engineered.
[02:37] <alakdan> anyone familiar with keycodes or uinput.h ?
[02:37] <dross> besides different power design(takes more power), they are slower
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> dross..no I think you're not quite getting it
[02:38] <dross> black_Nightmare: money is nothing
[02:38] <dross> 1300 is pocket change
[02:38] <robertj_> I've got a really good monitor, a good keyboard and mouse, etc.
[02:38] <dross> black_Nightmare: I think you are not understanding the difference in being cheap
[02:38] <sal002> Anyone else experienced weird network dropping problems in hoary?
[02:38] <dross> sal002: nope.
[02:38] <black_Nightmare> darthfrog..last I checked several months ago.. celeron 2ghz for $89cdn and pentium 1.8ghz 512K for $134cdn  -- and this was supplies straight from intel
[02:38] <robertj_> I am cheap though
[02:38] <DarthFrog> sal002: Happened to me this morning on my laptop.
[02:38] <black_Nightmare> and the celeron still was a 512K model
[02:38] <robertj_> I appreciate frugality
[02:38] <sal002> Hmm..using tulip driver, and the network connection drops after so long
[02:39] <dross> robertj_: I guess the saying is true though. You get what you pay for ;)
[02:39] <sal002> DarthFrog: Good!  It happens to someone else.
[02:39] <black_Nightmare> or thats what the box was able to tell me (gesture: nice store for letting me look at the glass shelves)
[02:39] <dross> sal002: theres your problem, the tulip driver
[02:39] <robertj_> The only problem I have had with my emachine is the noise, so I bought a quieter fan and have been happy
[02:39] <dross> sal002: running a cheap network card?
[02:39] <dross> sal002: realtek?
[02:40] <dross> robertj_: how sad.
[02:40] <black_Nightmare> quad ~ you recoken I have to build one early windmill or something to get higher tech level?
[02:40] <DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: $89 is still too much for that chip!  The p4 is a bad enough chip in itself that the castration to a Celeron makes it a laugher.
[02:40] <geneo93> emachines are cheap everything
[02:40] <robertj_> gene: true, but it owrks
[02:40] <DarthFrog> geneo93: The new eMachines laptops are nice, very nice.
[02:40] <dabi> is it possible to set so ubuntu logs every incoming connection date/time, ip, session time, port, etc..? i have apache2 and webmin.
[02:40] <dross> DarthFrog: not really
[02:40] <dross> DarthFrog: I've used a couple, they were disappointing
[02:40] <geneo93> i have two here someone gave me for parts
[02:40] <dross> and again.. you get what you pay for.. utter crap
[02:41] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: no idea... haven't played in a few months
[02:41] <dross> 40 minute battery < *
[02:41] <robertj_> dross: don't cry for me, I'm the one who buys all the stuff at work "cheap" and I'm going to buy myself a very nice G5 with some very nice monitors and a very nice kvm and a very cheap dell to sit beside my desk on the kvm
[02:41] <black_Nightmare> quad..hm ok no problem then :p
[02:41] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  you want a real laptop get an alienware
[02:41] <hams> when gnome starts, i get the error "failed to initialize HAL!", what does that mean?
[02:41] <black_Nightmare> one word: if you think celeron are cheap then I am going to guess you keep spending $$$ on the most newest piece of tech you can even find....simple as it
[02:41] <robertj_> and then I'm going to have my very nice lackey do a presentation for me and I'm going to go to the gym and think about what I want to think about
[02:41] <black_Nightmare> robertj ;-)
[02:42] <DarthFrog> geneo93: I've drooled over them!  Gotta win the 6/49 first, though.
[02:42] <dross> 3 hour battery  is okay.. but a 3 hour battery and external battery to boot to 8-10 hours ++
[02:42] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: i 2 ghz celeron is slower than a 2 ghz pentium
[02:42] <dross> robertj_: thats fine, just be aware I've a nice powerbook ;)
[02:42] <atho> question again
[02:42] <sal002> dross: network card bult into motherboard - sis
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> robertj ~ you thinking of the newer dual-G5 with 16x dvdrw? lol
[02:42] <dross> robertj_: 1500USD is pocket change
[02:42] <geneo93> HAL's on vacation
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> quad...just for the record..cache is not quite 'all things'
[02:42] <dross> sal002: theres your problem there buddy ;)
[02:42] <sal002> dross: However, no problems whatsoever in warty
[02:42] <dross> sal002: you need to go get another net card
[02:42] <hams> geneo93, when
[02:42] <sal002> or go back to warty
[02:43] <dross> sal002: buy a decent one, not a realtek
[02:43] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: right, but look at benchmarks
[02:43] <hams> geneo93, when's HAL getting back?
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> some particular beachmarks would put same-mhz celeron and pentium on the same lines anyhow
[02:43] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  my ship hasn't come in either
[02:43] <robertj_> black: really I'll get the cheaper 1.8 with a ton of hd space and extras unless I decide I'd rather use Virtual PC to free up some floor space, in which case I'll get the dual 2.5
[02:43] <csj> hello, I want to remove everything except  some packages, so I use dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | egrep -v "(pkg1|pkg2|pgk3|..|long to pkg100)" | apt-get remove --purge -y, but remove nothing, is egrep cant handle too long expression?
[02:43] <robertj_> I'm mainly looking forward to my dual 19" ultrasharps
[02:43] <sal002> dross: Just frustrating it work in warty...and it even worked in OpenDarwin (which supports like 5 network cards)
[02:44] <geneo93> some time next week
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> robertj ~ hmm good thought, try get a dualie still anyhow ;)  (I'm sure they started making dual's since the 1.0ghz G4
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[02:44] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Tell you what, I win the 6/49, I'll buy you a top of the line Alienware laptop.  You win, you buy me one. :-)
[02:44] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: i am building a dual opteron soon
[02:44] <robertj_> black: I just don't need a dual proc machine unless I do VPC.
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> quad :p
[02:44] <robertj_> if I wanted to abuse some hardware I've got friends in research computing
[02:44] <|QuaD-> i want to build a dual ppc machine, but too hard to find the ppc mobo's and components
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> I'm just trying to figure where to buy one piece of older hardware to upgrade my pc with -- perhaps run ubuntu better that way
[02:45] <robertj_> (speaking of which we now have a full on-campus mirror of ubuntu!)
[02:45] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  deal
[02:45] <black_Nightmare> quad...umm...don't you mean something like a MP macintosh? (early dualie's)
[02:45] <dross> sal002: opendarwin is bsd and mach based
[02:45] <robertj_> black: don't, please don't. Save up $300 and get a new machine
[02:45] <atho> My install hangs at the "starting hotplug sybsystem" guys
[02:45] <|QuaD-> MP macintosh? eh?
[02:45] <atho> please help
[02:45] <dross> sal002: you are dealing with linux. Where support for cheap hardware is non-existant
[02:45] <sal002> dross: right..just saying...works there...works in warty...no go in hoary...me thinks the card isn't the problem ;)
[02:45] <robertj_> QuaD: yeah, for a while you couldn't buy a single proc G5 ;)
[02:45] <geneo93> black_Nightmare:  now where were you
[02:45] <black_Nightmare> robertj ~ and for what particular reason when I don't really play much 3D games at all? :p
[02:45] <|QuaD-> robertj_: lol
[02:46] <black_Nightmare> quad... early dual-cpu macintosh (before the G3 was even out) were called MP's for some reason.  not sure what it quite stands for
[02:46] <black_Nightmare> geneo....you asking where I live?
[02:46] <robertj_> black: I got mine and it was much much faster, came with a bigger hd, etc.
[02:46] <calc> multiprocessor?
[02:46] <geneo93> oh teah the only intel duallys now are xeons
[02:46] <|QuaD-> i want to basically build a cheaper dual g5 tower (cuz they mark up the price a lot)
[02:46] <calc> geneo93: and ia64
[02:46] <black_Nightmare> calc..doh..good one.. *bangs my head here*
[02:47] <DarthFrog> |QuaD-: Steve Jobs doesn't want you doing that.
[02:47] <calc> |QuaD-: the rumor is that apple with have dual dual-core g5's at WWDC
[02:47] <black_Nightmare> calc....do you know that some earlier macintosh's were also clones as well?
[02:47] <robertj_> btw, mack hardware blows these days
[02:47] <geneo93> yeah but thats quite expensive for desktop machune
[02:47] <robertj_> I have a batch of G5s, 9/16 machines have been in for repair on 18 different occasions
[02:47] <|QuaD-> calc: that would be nice, but doesn't solve my problem :(
[02:47] <calc> black_Nightmare: before jobs came back they allowed 3rd parties to make macs, yes
[02:48] <atho> Calc, what about the powerbrick?
[02:48] <atho> Did Terrasoft just feel like paying the royalty price?
[02:48] <calc> atho: no idea, though it would be nice if they updated that to a g5
[02:48] <black_Nightmare> calc ~ well one such clone was somewhat a madness [if you forget about the os limitations at these times]  ...
[02:48] <DarthFrog> |QuaD-: Just get a minimac. :-)
[02:48] <geneo93> robertj i've never really seen any difference its all junk too me
[02:48] <black_Nightmare> a QUAD macintosh :p
[02:48] <atho> Calc, I don't think they sell bricks anymore
[02:48] <black_Nightmare> it used 604 (604e?) cpu cards
[02:48] <|QuaD-> DarthFrog: i would get a laptop if i wanted something that small
[02:48] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:48] <black_Nightmare> can you image 4x cpu thou?
[02:49] <calc> atho: ah i thought you were calling powerbook a "powerbrick" :)
[02:49] <atho> XD
[02:49] <atho> Naw.
[02:49] <|QuaD-> DarthFrog: though i would buy my parents a mini if they called me and told me they needed a new comp
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> I think it was daystar (or powercenter?) that sold that particular individual quad-cpu clone
[02:49] <robertj_> calc: I found an unopened "OrangePC" board with 4 megs of on-board ram and a rather impressive dongle the other day
[02:49] <DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: Yeah, people could read their email 4X faster! :-)
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> darth..it was not for that reason
[02:49] <geneo93> hey anyone have a ps2 with linux kit installed
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> more like photoshop or something that can seperate into multiply cpu threads
[02:49] <EricNeon> hello all!
[02:49] <calc> the only mac i have has been powered off for a few years now
[02:49] <jsgotangco> i wish i had one
[02:50] <atho> i love my G3
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> geneo...I sometimes wish I could know about them but sony say they don't even sell any more in north america at all :|
[02:50] <robertj_> calc: what kind?
[02:50] <atho> PowerMac
[02:50] <calc> i got it around 2001, 840av 128mb ram, whee :)
[02:50] <atho> it's old as fuck
[02:50] <atho> im too poor to buy even a mac mini
[02:50] <robertj_> atho: beige or blue and white?
[02:50] <atho> b&w
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> calc..damn LOL and I was just trying to make a deal with someone on a 840av to replace one of my computer too
[02:50] <EricNeon> ChineseTeam for Ubuntu will found in this day!!
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> 2MB vram and 128mb ram
[02:50] <robertj_> b&w is not horrible
[02:50] <atho> i know
[02:50] <atho> i'm only 15 though
[02:50] <jsgotangco> Chinese Team kooolll
[02:50] <atho> so hopefully ill buy a g5 this summer
[02:50] <|QuaD-> i am setting up FC3 in a vm, i like ubuntu SOOO much better
[02:50] <atho> when i can work
[02:50] <calc> 840av is not anywhere near "fast"
[02:50] <Lemonzest> is it possable to install bunty on a system with only sata drives?
[02:51] <robertj_> atho: why do you want the G5?
[02:51] <calc> if you cause it to have disk i/o under linux you can type faster than it can display
[02:51] <robertj_> calc: thats oldworld right?
[02:51] <geneo93> robertj have you tried vesa on that
[02:51] <atho> just to brag :P
[02:51] <robertj_> geneo: on the b & w?
[02:51] <atho> I might build an x86 box.
[02:51] <calc> robertj_: pre oldworld (iirc) its a m68k 040/40
[02:51] <jsgotangco> EricNeon: that's good! The more teams the better
[02:51] <calc> robertj_: fastest m68k mac made
[02:51] <hams> lemonzest, was able to do it with wart amd64 install.
[02:51] <robertj_> calc: does it run sid ;)
[02:51] <Lemonzest> thanks
[02:51] <calc> robertj_: probably, but it takes forever to install so i haven't tried
[02:52] <calc> forever being probably like a week
[02:52] <Lemonzest> getting a 160g sata drive on thirsday
[02:52] <Fackamato> mac?
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> calc...well I'm actually looking toward a 840av to put up as a small video station especially for avid videoshop
[02:52] <Fackamato> amiga is better <3
[02:52] <Lemonzest> and wanna put bunty on with a duel boot of xp
[02:52] <robertj_> speaking of forever to install, does bochs work well enough these days to make a disk image of for releases?
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> the performa I have is not so good for the task (not to mention its oftenly running tons of 68k code on top of a ppc processor..slower than normal)
[02:52] <calc> black_Nightmare: cool
[02:52] <EricNeon> thx,jsgotangco
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> so want replace it with a 840av which is a true 68k to run these softwares faster
[02:53] <black_Nightmare> and calc...did you know that two of the nubus slot in the 840av were made that they could kinda run double speed?  makes for some interesting really-fast hd bandwidth when you have two scsi cards working together
[02:53] <black_Nightmare> it kinda sound a tad bit like the same idea behind dual-channel ram although I dunno much details how this really works
[02:53] <EricNeon> how can add a wiki frontpage for Chinese team at UBUNTU wiki site ?
[02:54] <geneo93> Fackamato:  your not going to start shooting if i say something bad about amiga are you
[02:54] <jsgotangco> EricNeon: add your ChineseTeam entry on the proposed teams located at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamList
[02:54] <calc> black_Nightmare: ah
[02:55] <atho> gahhhh
[02:55] <atho> i hate my system
[02:55] <Fackamato> geneo93: yes I am
[02:55] <atho> hoary won't start
[02:55] <jsgotangco> EricNeon: make sure your ChineseTeam entry has LoCoTeamList as parent
[02:55] <atho> so i have to re-download warty and manually upgrade
[02:55] <jsgotangco> EricNeon: and also make sure you use Moin markup we intend to standardise the wiki into Moin
[02:56] <jsgotangco> EricNeon: if you encounter problems, #ubuntu-doc is always open
[02:56] <EricNeon> oh
[02:56] <geneo93> mine is aged like wine dual p3 800
[02:56] <atho> Has anyone tried a brooktree card in ubuntu?
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hi mdz
[02:56] <geneo93> Fackamato:  just checking
[02:57] <Fackamato> ;P;P
[02:57] <mdz> jsgotangco: hello
[02:57] <geneo93> bbiaf
[02:58] <dweaver> geneo93: Hey,  I'm back.  Remember me?
[02:58] <robertj_> is there any way to enable vino remotely?
[02:58] <robertj_> "I'm root, it's my desktop, I want to see it!"
[02:59] <robertj_> I looked for an hour last night with no luck
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> robertj_: run vino-server
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> with the right $DISPLAY
[02:59] <black_Nightmare> oh and calc one thing...
[02:59] <black_Nightmare> the fastest 68k in term of processor was actually IIfx
[02:59] <black_Nightmare> it was "wicked fast" at its time...had seperate chips to handle the I/O's (even adb was a seperate chip too)
[03:00] <black_Nightmare> but then alas all these unusual archerict in the IIfx makes it a big pain for any linux to run on.  only mac os can run on a IIfx so far yet
[03:03] <dweaver> Things seem a little quieter than the last time I was here.  Can any body comment on the loss of audio after an apt get update.  I am working on a new install and am gun shy.
[03:03] <Fackamato> apt-get update doesn't install anything
[03:03] <Fackamato> so that didn't bust your sound
[03:03] <dweaver> I'm sorry, typo
[03:04] <dweaver> upgrade
[03:04] <atho> how is general TV card support in buntu?
[03:04] <Fackamato> atho: as good as in any other linux
[03:04] <Fackamato> i.e. works very well
[03:04] <atho> cool
[03:04] <robertj_> Hrdwr: doesn't seem to work unless its been configured befoer
[03:04] <atho> especially brooktree, id think.
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> robertj_: yes but you can run the settings program with x forwarding
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> and then run the server locally
[03:06] <robertj_> yeah, but that's a cop-out ;)
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[03:06] <killly0u> Any way to Install Ubuntu via the network?
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> it works :P
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> working > not working
[03:06] <robertj_> yeah
[03:07] <robertj_> but if the service is enabled and you can auth to root via gssapi (whatever that acronym is) it should let you view!
[03:10] <dweaver> Has anybody on right now been able to sync a pocketpc?
[03:12] <dweaver> Hello, anyone home?
[03:12] <Akira> im home
[03:12] <ejlozon> i have set up a headless ubuntu server, and would like to set up cups
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> i am home
[03:12] <ejlozon> what would the best way to go about this?
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> click me and die
[03:12] <Yomic> OKay, I have got my printer detected and such. Now it just won't print anything :(. Can anyone help?
[03:12] <dweaver> Thank you, I was getting lonely.
[03:13] <Fackamato> hr
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:13] <Fackamato> come on, someone name an arcade game
[03:13] <dweaver> Yomic: what kind of printer?
[03:13] <Yomic> Lexmark x83
[03:13] <Yomic> Detected as x125
[03:14] <hypa7ia> hey folks, anyone finding the printer config thingy in hoary is kinda broken?
[03:14] <hypa7ia> hey Rene_S !
[03:14] <dweaver> Sorry,  I just went thru setting up a Canon Pixma.  Had to go with Turbo Print.  Don't know about Lexmarks.
[03:15] <Rene_S> hi hypa7ia
[03:15] <hypa7ia> dweaver: i have a pixma too, though at the moment i am setting up a well-supported HP Deskjet.  how's turboprint?
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> hey i have that printer
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> i use it on windows tho
[03:15] <dweaver> Fackamato: Tempest
[03:15] <Fackamato> dweaver: what's that like?
[03:16] <hypa7ia> the pixma was cheeeep
[03:16] <hypa7ia> and worst case, my roomie is on win2k :-/
[03:17] <dweaver> hypa7ia: I have a iP400, wasn't so cheap.  Turbo Print works great but you get a turbo print logo if you try to print on high quality without paying.
[03:17] <Yomic> Fuck, if I don't get this printer working on here, my dad will akill my computer :((
[03:17] <dts> yomic what isn't working?
[03:17] <hypa7ia> Yomic: what printer?
[03:17] <Yomic> It is being detected, it just won't print
[03:18] <Yomic> Lexmark x83
[03:18] <hypa7ia> dweaver: yeah, the ip1500 i have was like $70 canadian :-)
[03:18] <dts> dweaver can you print low quality w/o the logo?
[03:18] <hypa7ia> dts: up to 300x300 i think?  or is it 600x600
[03:18] <WhiteRabbit> Yomic, you picked the closet driver instead of the perfect driver revision correct?
[03:18] <Yomic> I picket what it recommended if that's what you mean.
[03:18] <Yomic> picked*
[03:19] <dweaver> Fackamato: You don't remember tempest?  I thought you asked someone to mention an arcade game.  Back in the day it was state-of-the-art.  Hard to explain, check the net and I bet there are pictures.
[03:19] <phatcat> anyone using virtual PC?
[03:19] <phatcat> with ubuntu?
[03:19] <dweaver> dts: yes, works great
[03:19] <Zugot> gnome 2.10 doesn't have a wireless monitor applet?
[03:19] <Zugot> interesting..
[03:19] <hypa7ia> Zugot: yes it does
[03:19] <atho> Wireless monitor?
[03:19] <|QuaD-> phatcat: i am using vmware
[03:19] <WhiteRabbit> Yomic, pick drivers that are near the revision the 1st below its choice picked til 3 down then 3 up til you find one that will hopefully hit.
[03:19] <atho> ?
[03:19] <Zugot> hypa7ia, whats the name?
[03:20] <hypa7ia> shoudl be in your taskbar
[03:20] <Zugot> atho, yes wireless lan monitor...
[03:20] <phatcat> |QuaD-, any problems with web browsing?
[03:20] <hypa7ia> gnome-network-monitor, methinks
[03:20] <Fackamato> dweaver: doh, now I remember
[03:20] <phatcat> looks like i'm not getting network connection
[03:20] <Fackamato> :)
[03:20] <|QuaD-> nope... i am running ubuntu as my base os though
[03:20] <dts> Yomic, did you configure it, for me it dectected it but i actually had to configure it
[03:20] <phatcat> oh
[03:20] <atho> Zugot, I took that the wrong way.
[03:20] <Zugot> hypa7ia, that thing only monitors network.. i wanna know how fast the connection of my 802.11g is
[03:20] <Zugot> it fluctuates as i move through my house
[03:21] <phatcat> I pinged google, nothing
[03:21] <hypa7ia> if you click on the thingy in the taskbar, it will show you the strength :-)
[03:21] <dts> did you guys download turboprint from the website because it's not in synaptic
[03:21] <Chamkila_> hey
[03:21] <hypa7ia> phatcat: sudo ifconfig
[03:21] <dweaver> Fackamato: Spent lots of time and quarters down at the local deli.  I am sure that was before some of these people were born.
[03:21] <Yomic> I am having to configure it yes.
[03:21] <phatcat> tried firefox, nothing
[03:21] <Chamkila_> im a n00b to ubuntu livecd, how can i install to hd?
[03:21] <Fackamato> dweaver: before me too, I'm -86 :-)
[03:21] <hypa7ia> Chamkila_: nope, gotta grab the install cd :-)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> Chamkila_: download the install cd
[03:21] <Fackamato> but I've played it in some arcades
[03:21] <Chamkila_> oh lmao. forgot about that, stupid me.
[03:21] <Yomic> WhiteRabbit: There are no other choices.
[03:21] <Zugot> amd64 ubuntu is noticeably faster...
[03:21] <Zugot> i'm loving this
[03:21] <Chamkila_> i was thinking too much knoppix
[03:22] <dts> dweaver, did you download tp from the website?
[03:22] <Chamkila_> knoppix sucks on my computer, ubuntu runs fast as hell and it's stable
[03:22] <dweaver> Fackamato:  I just feel older and older.
[03:22] <dts> for some reason firefox doesn't start downloading whenever i download files
[03:22] <dts> i select where to save it and then nothing happens
[03:22] <hypa7ia> Chamkila_: some computers run gnome better and some kde is better, in my experience anyway :-)
[03:22] <dts> it doesn't save, no error message nothing
[03:22] <Chamkila_> jsgotangco: hey, when it is installed, where do i get the information bar thing on my desktop that tells me my cpu power, ram, etc?
[03:23] <dweaver> dts: yes, just answer ther questions and download.  the install was painless and worked flawlessly for me on Ubuntu and Mepis.
[03:23] <jsgotangco> Chamkia_: they're just add-ons to gnome and can be easily added to the panel if you want
[03:23] <Fackamato> dweaver: Sorry. :-)
[03:23] <dweaver> Fackamato: '86 I was a Junior in college.
[03:23] <Fackamato> Hehe
[03:23] <jsgotangco> Chamkila_: you just right click and select add to panel
[03:23] <dts> dweaver, cool
[03:23] <WhiteRabbit> Yomic, http://www.xs4all.nl/~pastolk/ The driver will probably also work with the Lexmark X83, but this device is not recognised by the linux kernel.
[03:24] <phatcat> hypa7ia, i have an ip address
[03:24] <helio7> Hello esteemed Ubuntu folk!  I need help again re-gaining Access to my X-server I'm using Irssi for the first time here, last time this happened on a different machine it was something about my nvidia module not being updated and I had to dpkg reconfgure the nvidia modules does anyone know what I mean?
[03:24] <hypa7ia> phatcat: on dsl?
[03:24] <dweaver> Fackamato:  Your not from central Ohio are you?
[03:24] <phatcat> yes
[03:24] <hypa7ia> phatcat: can you ping the router?
[03:24] <dts> has anyone else had problems downloading with firefox?
[03:24] <hypa7ia> usually 192.168.0.1
[03:24] <phatcat> hold on it's booting
[03:25] <hypa7ia> righteo
[03:25] <Fackamato> dweaver: Hah, no, I'm from Sweden :-)
[03:25] <phatcat> i'll let you know in 45 minutes
[03:25] <phatcat> lol
[03:25] <dweaver> dts:I haven't had any problems getting the latest from synaptic but haven't tried a direct download.
[03:25] <atho> how's Ubuntu MOL support?
[03:26] <dts> no, dweaver whenever i try to download any kind of file with mozilla it doesn't work, i have no clue why
[03:26] <helio7> crimsun: You helped me last time with an issue like the one I'm having now with losing X on an nvidia machine (Warty) and having to modprobe or update dpkg-reconfigure nvidia something or other; I'm at a loss
[03:26] <dweaver> Fackamato: OK, just checking.  I was in Denmark and Norway in '86 but not Sweden.  I am Swedish by decent though! :)
[03:26] <hypa7ia> phatcat: when you get booted, make sure it can see the router
[03:26] <phatcat> i'm sure it can
[03:27] <phatcat> well see here's the thing
[03:27] <phatcat> it's a shared IP address with my mac
[03:27] <helio7> I left my machine on this morning actually, and when I came back after work it was off, with no X-server; How do I reconfigure the nvidia modules please?
[03:27] <Chamkila_> hey.. i have data on my hard drive, that i dont want to delete, hd = 20, like about maybe 2-3 gig of data..will the install cd take care of partitiong it properly with data on
[03:28] <hypa7ia> phatcat: as in behind a trouter?
[03:28] <dweaver> dts:  did I misunderstand? I thought you were downloading Firefox itself.  If you are having problems downloading through Firefox then I can't help.
[03:28] <phatcat> as in behind OS X
[03:28] <hypa7ia> Chamkila_: the installer can't resize partitions, which i think is what you're trying to do
[03:28] <crimsun> helio7: err?
[03:28] <Chamkila_> hypa7ia:  not resize, just "worK" with what it has without erasing whole disk
[03:28] <hde> Chamkila_: Use parted then install.
[03:28] <crimsun> helio7: what's the problem, again?
[03:28] <Chamkila_> how hde
[03:29] <hypa7ia> well, there needs to be extra unpartitioned space on the hdd, is there?
[03:29] <hypa7ia> i just typed trouter
[03:29] <hde> Chamkila_: Well use a parted boot disk, manipulate the paritions, reboot, install.
[03:29] <helio7> crimsun: I just came home after leaving my Ubuntu.isos seeding on the bittorrent network while I was at work, got home and screen is black, got an X-server problem: loading nvidia module, no screens found... i didn't change anything as far as I know
[03:29] <hypa7ia> that is very entertaining for some reason.
[03:29] <fangorious> can anyone running an up to date hoary check their boot logs for "DSDT" (case insensitive)?
[03:30] <crimsun> helio7: lsmod|grep ^nvidia
[03:30] <helio7> crimsun: i ran sudo apt-get update and upgrade just now to make sure everything is up-to-date and it is;
[03:30] <hypa7ia> fangorious: on an asus m6n perchance?
[03:30] <fangorious> hypa7ia: doesn't matter. I submitted a enhancement request against warty to integrate the DSDT-in-initrd image kernel patch. last I remember the bug was updated to say it had been added
[03:31] <helio7> crimsun: nvidia_agp         7772 1
[03:31] <dweaver> OK, more action now.  Has anybody been able to sync a pocketpc or nomad zen?
[03:31] <ejlozon> what is the best way to set up cups remotely?
[03:31] <ewhitten> for some reason, it seems like disabling DMA on my primary hard drive stopped my system from freezing (at least for the past hour and a half since I did it).  Does this sound strange to anyone?
[03:31] <hypa7ia> fangorious: neat stuff, was just curious as the m6n's have buggy dsdt's
[03:32] <fangorious> hypa7ia: so does my dell inspiron 2600, hence the request. :)
[03:32] <Chamkila_> hey the "information" panel thing imtalking about is in FreesBie LiveCD
[03:32] <dweaver> sabmoc:  nice to see you again
[03:32] <Chamkila_> its not something u can just put on the panel
[03:32] <crimsun> helio7: you're running warty?
[03:32] <helio7> crimsun: yes
[03:32] <fangorious> warty had some serious problems with k3b (the whole root permission to burn thing) can anyone comment on whether that's been dealt with sensibly in hoary?
[03:33] <ice_1963> lol
[03:33] <helio7> crimsun: but willing to upgrade, I have other machines at my school running hoary
[03:33] <hypa7ia> haven't tried runnign k3b on hoary yet
[03:33] <hypa7ia> oh man.  printing on the latest hoary is kinda pooched
[03:34] <ice_1963> you can run it and not be root
[03:34] <sabmoc> hi dweaver
[03:34] <dweaver> hypa7ia:  I'm on Hoary and am printing OK
[03:34] <fangorious> ice_1963, was that directed at me?
[03:34] <crimsun> ls
[03:34] <crimsun> err, sorry
[03:34] <ice_1963> ok
 Fackamato: OK, just checking.  I was in Denmark and Norway in '86 but not Sweden.  I am Swedish by decent though! :) <- What does "by decent" mean?
[03:34] <hypa7ia> dweaver: does system -> admin -> printing work for you?
[03:35] <ewhitten> bash: err,sorry: command not found
[03:35] <fangorious> ice_1963, as in run k3b not as root?
[03:35] <dabi> how can i add fonts in console?
[03:35] <ice_1963> not root
[03:35] <dts> dweaver, so i installed it and even with the lowest resolution it still puts the logo on it
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> hmm...this is too strange..have many unhoused people in lincity but there's like *** lot of empty 100-people houses :|
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> why aren't these people seeing these empty houses..blah
[03:35] <ice_1963> im runing it right now lol
[03:36] <crimsun> helio7: please paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin.ca
[03:36] <bmadonna> hello
[03:36] <dweaver> Fackamato:  you shouldn't question your elders!  I meant descent, as in my ancestors are from Sweden.
[03:36] <fangorious> ice_1963, did you have to add yourself to a special group, or run it with gksudo, or anything like thta?
[03:36] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: i've asked that myself of toronto.  especially when it gets to be -30C
[03:36] <bmadonna> does anyone know why ubuntu can't pick up my cdrom drive when I try to isntall it
[03:36] <helio7> crimsun: I have trouble pasting to pastebin from the commandline; could I ftp them to a public_html folder on my webspace and pass you the url?
[03:37] <crimsun> helio7: paste them to me in priv msg then
[03:37] <dweaver> Let me try printing again.  I have switched from Mepis -> Ubuntu and back twice in the last week and I might be remembering Mepis.
[03:37] <|QuaD-> dweaver: memphis? why memphis
[03:37] <helio7> crimsun: how do I private message in irssi =P ?
[03:38] <|QuaD-> helio7: /msg nick msg
[03:38] <ubuntugrey> lba mode
[03:38] <bmadonna> its on
[03:38] <bmadonna> what else should I try
[03:38] <helio7> |QuaD-: thanks how do I copy a file to the clipboard or could I /msg nick /path/to/file ?
[03:39] <bmadonna> is there a way to isntall ubuntu from a ftp site
[03:39] <|QuaD-> helio7: i don't understand the question
[03:39] <|QuaD-> bmadonna: as in a netinstall? or you want the iso from an ftp site?
[03:39] <phatcat> ok, pinging the router works
[03:39] <hypa7ia> dweaver: yeah, it seems pretty pooched from here
[03:39] <hypa7ia> phatcat: what about the mac?
[03:39] <bmadonna> ya netinstall
[03:39] <dweaver> Mepis.  Because that is the distro I started with last week.  I then heard about Ubuntu so I tried it.  After upgrading I lost sound and couldn't get it back so I went back to Mepis.  I am now back here because I liked it better.  prety soon I'll have to decide.
[03:40] <bmadonna> I would prefer my cdrom to work
[03:40] <|QuaD-> bmadonna: not sure
[03:40] <helio7> |QuaD-: i'm trying to PM crimsun my /var/log/error file in irssi so um, I don't know how to cut and paste in commandline (I have no X server atm)
[03:40] <hypa7ia> actually, better ask someone who knows more about networking... btu i think the mac is maybe not giving out dhcp?
[03:40] <crimsun> helio7: paste in the new window
[03:40] <|QuaD-> helio7: chances are you can't c/p in commandline
[03:40] <phatcat> the mac is fine, i can use it
[03:40] <phatcat> i'm trying firefox under ubuntu
[03:41] <dweaver> hypa7ia:  I just got done rebuilding and this chat is the first thing I have done on this go round.  I will download tp and let you know, stay tuned.
[03:41] <helio7> crimsun: paste in commandline?
[03:41] <crimsun> helio7: I just told you what to do
[03:41] <hypa7ia> dweaver: tp?
[03:41] <crimsun> helio7: in the msg
[03:41] <Chamkila_> hey cant i change the themes and stuff in livecd? change the brown one
[03:42] <dweaver> hypa7ia: turboprint? am I mixing my threads?
[03:42] <helio7> help
[03:42] <maxchee> okay, this is a crazy idea. but if apt has a bittorrent backend, then it would be much more scalable
[03:42] <helio7> oops I was asking irssi for help scrolling up
[03:42] <hypa7ia> dweaver: yup, i can't get the gnome printing thingo to work :-)
[03:42] <maxchee> I think it's fair to say that setting up a repository is very costly
[03:43] <hypa7ia> maxchee: yes :-/
[03:44] <helio7> crimsun: can you please read the log at http://heliolith.com/ubuntu/XFree86.0.log ? I'm sorry I couldn't get what you said about PMing and pasting in the new window
[03:44] <maxchee> hypa7ia: is there any plans to do so? also what's wrong iwth your printing?
[03:44] <Chamkila_> hey cant i change the themes and stuff in livecd? change the brown one
[03:44] <maxchee> Chamkila_: hoary?
[03:44] <dweaver> hypa7ia: downloading now.
[03:45] <Chamkila_> maxchee:  how do u?
[03:45] <hypa7ia> maxchee: hoary gnome printing app won't load.  and the openoffice printer configger thing has been removed, looks like
[03:45] <dts> dweaver, so did you have luck printing w/o the logo?
[03:45] <maxchee> Chamkila_: system/preferences/theme
[03:45] <maxchee> hypa7ia: did you remove some gnome packages?
[03:46] <dweaver> dts:  I just downloaded, see my responce to hypa7ia.  I'll post in a minute.
[03:46] <Chamkila_> maxchee:  how do i get to preferences?
[03:46] <hypa7ia> maxchee: nope, just dist-upgraded
[03:46] <maxchee> Chamkila_: can you see the system menu on the top panel?
[03:46] <maxchee> hypa7ia: you can't get to system/administration/printing?
[03:47] <hypa7ia> maxchee: it starts, then nothing happens, then a few minutes later i get a broken error window
[03:47] <maxchee> hypa7ia: what does it say?
[03:48] <hypa7ia> nothing, jsut error.  have to force-close it
[03:48] <maxchee> Chamkila_: beside the places menu
[03:48] <crimsun> helio7: ?
[03:48] <Chamkila_> maxchee:  found it, wahts a site to get more?
[03:49] <helio7> crimsun: what?  I passed you a link and was waiting on your response... did I miss something?  http://heliolith.com/ubuntu/XFree86.0.log
[03:49] <maxchee> Chamkila_: art.gnome.org
[03:49] <crimsun> helio7: I asked you something in priv msg
[03:49] <JohnnyNuke> hello all
[03:49] <ice_1963> johnny be good
[03:49] <crimsun> helio7: I'm awaiting _your_ response
[03:49] <crimsun> helio7: I've already read your log file
[03:49] <maxchee> hypa7ia: might have something to do with cups
[03:50] <helio7> crimsun: forgive my inability to read private messages; I've never used irssi before now
[03:50] <jnoon> im trying to add the extra repos as suggested on ubuntuguide, but im getting GPG errors. how do i add the key?
[03:50] <helio7> anyone know how to toggle between main and private screens in irssi? is there such a feature?
[03:50] <crimsun> helio7: is there a highlighted number?
[03:50] <crimsun> helio7: press alt+#
[03:50] <hypa7ia> maxchee: yeah, i got at one point a cups error
[03:51] <JohnnyNuke> I have a question, and I looked through the wiki and didn't find what I was looking for... I need some sort of boot floppy, I have an older system I'd like to boot into the livecd that doesnt have an ATAPI cdrom. I'd like to have a floppy. How do I go about doing this? The one article I found on it didn't seem like the right thing...
[03:51] <Chamkila_> maxchee:  theres only one? http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/
[03:52] <Yomic> It just said something was wrong with GTK(+?) when I was trying to install that driver thing
[03:52] <Yomic> driver for the printer*
[03:52] <Yomic> Sorry for vagueness <_>
[03:53] <maxchee> Chamkila_: metacity is the default window manager for gnome
[03:53] <maxchee> hypa7ia: www.cups.org provide some manuals
[03:53] <Yomic> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[03:53] <Yomic> configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
[03:53] <SeeleyUSMC> 289 available updates being downloaded lol
[03:53] <maxchee> hypa7ia: also try killall cupsd
[03:53] <DonL> I have to jump in here. After months of trying to hook up to a printer attached to an XP box on my home network, I finally bought a used HP and hooked it up directly to my Linux box. Set itself up perfectly. I'm a happy camper.
[03:53] <crimsun> Yomic: either libgtk1.2-dev or libgtk2.0-dev
[03:54] <Yomic> So what should I do?
[03:54] <Yomic> apt-get them?
[03:54] <crimsun> Yomic: depends which version of gtk+ the ./configure script is looking for
[03:54] <Yomic> Oh, it's 2.0.0
[03:55] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[03:56] <black_Nightmare> say any of you from canada? :p
[03:56] <DonL> black_Nightmare, me
[03:56] <ice_1963> nop
[03:56] <neighborlee> black_Nightmare, washington state here ;-)
[03:56] <dweaver> hypa71a & dts: I'll be back, rebooting and testing TP.
[03:56] <SeeleyUSMC> Where can I find a list of current packages in Hoary?
[03:56] <black_Nightmare> donl...which province?
[03:56] <ice_1963> mich here
[03:56] <Yomic> Thanks, crimsun
[03:56] <dts> dweaver rebooting, for what is this windows?
[03:56] <crimsun> Yomic: np
[03:57] <neighborlee> ice_1963, sweet,,,I vacationed there and LOVED it
[03:57] <DonL> black_Nightmare, BC
[03:57] <neighborlee> ice_1963, where bouts
[03:57] <neighborlee> ice_1963, near seattle here
[03:57] <black_Nightmare> donl - doh other side of canada from me LOL
[03:57] <black_Nightmare> east ontario here unless you want to get technical
[03:57] <neighborlee> :)
[03:57] <DonL> I'm right off the mainland here.
[03:58] <flamtripl3t> bc here.
[03:58] <DonL> On the mainland, flamtripl3t ?
[03:59] <flamtripl3t> van. isle.
[03:59] <DonL> me too
[03:59] <flamtripl3t> heh. nanaimo?
[03:59] <dts> how do i edit the applications menu
[03:59] <DonL> no, parksville
[04:00] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: torontonia over here :-)
[04:00] <flamtripl3t> DonL, nice.
[04:00] <SeeleyUSMC> neighborlee, where near Seattle?  I'm from Kent, WA.
[04:00] <hypa7ia> lots of canadians on this chan!
[04:00] <DonL> haha
[04:00] <DonL> hypa7ia, seems like it
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> hypa..you mean toronto :p
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> lol
[04:00] <hypa7ia> hehe of course :-)
[04:01] <neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, kewl man
[04:01] <neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, i'm out in snoqualmie ;)
[04:01] <neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, not far from the famous falls ;-)
[04:02] <elhinto5000> UBUNTU US GTE VBIOU BEST@
[04:02] <DonL> neighborlee, is that in the Cascades?
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> hypa...you been to computer stores in toronto?  just curious
[04:02] <Bandit> toronto? where is that?
[04:03] <neighborlee> DonL, yes
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> bandit...south 'tip' of ontario.....northeast of detriot
[04:03] <DonL> I've ridden motorcycles through there. Beautiful
[04:03] <SeeleyUSMC> neighborlee, Been there on more than a few occasions :).  Now I'm stuck in Twentynine Palms, CA ... middle of the desert ... thanks Marine Corps :) lol
[04:03] <neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, ahhhh ;-)))
[04:03] <Bandit> black_Nightmare i see
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> middle of nowwhere you mean seeley :))
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> :p
[04:04] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  could be iraq
[04:04] <SeeleyUSMC> geneo93, It will be in a few months :)
[04:04] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: they know me by name (okay, by laptop :-) ) at canada computers
[04:05] <Bandit> black_Nightmare so your from toronto?
[04:05] <neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, yeah its nice out here...someday I want to visit CA cause in part my favorite singer , karen carpenter was from there and is buried there ..
[04:05] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  i was a jarhead namn days
[04:05] <neighborlee> now that everyone knows my taste in music <G>
[04:05] <neighborlee> heh
[04:05] <SeeleyUSMC> geneo93, really?
[04:05] <geneo93> yup all behind me now
[04:06] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: no, he seems to be from south of here, are you from TO?
[04:06] <hypa7ia> err
[04:06] <dweaver> dts: you still there?
[04:06] <hypa7ia> that was directed at Bandit :-)
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> hypa...nope...close to ottawa ;)
[04:06] <DonL> I used to be from close to Ottawa
[04:06] <SeeleyUSMC> geneo93, Have you ever been to http://www.leatherneck.com ?  Its a really cool site for current and former Marines to talk with eachother and share stories, etc.
[04:06] <SiRrUs> i used to be from ottawa
[04:07] <JohnnyNuke> hey, can I have some help for a second?
[04:07] <DonL> I lived in Ottawa too
[04:07] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: cool, i hail from ottawa!
[04:07] <DonL> I enjoyed the Glebe in it's heyday
[04:07] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  i have a few friends here local i see once in a while
[04:07] <dweaver> hypa7ia: how about you, I tried to install TurboPrint am have a question.
[04:07] <hypa7ia> DonL: i grew up in the glebe :-)
[04:07] <DarthFrog> JohnnyNuke: Answers are $1.  Correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free. :-)
[04:08] <dweaver> geneo93:  good to see you again!
[04:08] <hypa7ia> whois DonL
[04:08] <hypa7ia> oops :-)
[04:08] <JohnnyNuke> nevermind... just found out the article doesnt work...
[04:08] <DonL> I used to live on the street right next to the Civic Centre
[04:08] <DarthFrog> JohnnyNuke: You saved $1. :-)
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> hypa :p so..do you know any computer stores in toronto or what? :)
[04:08] <geneo93> dweaver:  hey my memory aint good but i remember the nick
[04:08] <JohnnyNuke> bah... all I want is a boot disk...
[04:09] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: yup, canada computers, factory direct, filtech, sonnam, ota :-)
[04:09] <DonL> hypa7ia, I remember... Holmwood
[04:09] <dweaver> geneo93:  you are fron northern OH, right?
[04:09] <Amaranth> where are the .desktop files that are on panel located?
[04:09] <geneo93> north west ohio
[04:09] <dweaver> just checking my memory.
[04:10] <hypa7ia> DonL: remember the numbered avenues?
[04:10] <hypa7ia> DonL: i grew up on 4th :-)
[04:10] <geneo93> dweaver:  cinci
[04:10] <DonL> Sort of. I've been on the left coast for a long time
[04:10] <dweaver> geneo93: just north
[04:10] <hypa7ia> ahh, cool... whereabouts?
[04:10] <geneo93> k got ya then
[04:10] <DonL> hypa7ia, came here when I was 23, liked it and stayed
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> hmmm hypa...I never heard of these...do you perhaps mind dropping me any known toronto store website links to me? (in PM if you want)
[04:11] <geneo93> brb need a beer
[04:11] <hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: i'll pm so as to not flood the channel :-)
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> might be interesting to see more stores to compare with for mail order [and I *** hate newegg..they have no-canada-shipping policy!] 
[04:11] <black_Nightmare> hypa..har ok...go ahead then ;)
[04:12] <DonL> I'm off for now, see you later. Thanks for the cht
[04:12] <DonL> chat
[04:12] <hypa7ia> boo newegg!  it's all about the college street computer alley :-)
[04:12] <hypa7ia> laters DonL !
[04:12] <regeya> hahaha
[04:12] <dweaver> need a beer?  does that ever need an answer?
[04:12] <black_Nightmare> LOL dweaver :p
[04:12] <regeya> beeeeeeeer
[04:12] <black_Nightmare> my answer is: NO
[04:13] <black_Nightmare> :)
[04:13] <atho> GRRRR
[04:14] <dweaver> beer on draft means never forgetting to pick it up on the way home.:)
[04:14] <atho> im starting to get mad at my mac.
[04:14] <regeya> why?
[04:14] <atho> Ubuntu is giving me a hard time
[04:14] <atho> Hoary freezes at bootup
[04:14] <regeya> well don't get mad at your mac for something ubuntu's doing ;-)
[04:14] <regeya> what sort of mac?
[04:15] <atho> ;) I didn't want to dare degrade Ubuntu in this channel
[04:15] <atho> g3 B&W
[04:15] <regeya> oh dinnae lad
[04:15] <atho> I'm only 15
[04:15] <atrus> ubuntu hoary: there's a long delay on boot at which the system prints "Mounting remote filesystems." The only remote filesystems i've got are two NFS mounts, which mount very quickly under debian sid. they do mount eventually on hoary, just takes its time. Suggestions?
[04:15] <atho> Needless to say, I'm relatively poor and can't work ;)
[04:16] <geneo93> atrus catsup
[04:16] <atho> At least I'm not spoiled with a G5
[04:16] <atrus> geneo93: uhm.. no thanks, i just ate.
[04:16] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know if there is an Apache 1.3.x for Ubuntu?
[04:17] <atho> Like some other kids I've met on linux-related channels
[04:17] <atrus> geneo93: unless you meant something i missed. :)
[04:17] <regeya> atho: at the office I work at, the newest machine is a first-edition eMac.
[04:17] <atho> Nice.
[04:17] <atho> :P
[04:17] <geneo93> atrus is a bot on beshare
[04:17] <regeya> a b&w g3 should run acceptably well...provided you have plenty of ram
[04:18] <atho> I SHOULD have 704.
[04:18] <atho> But both of my 64 meg sticks are a little flakey.
[04:18] <atho> So 6 something.
[04:18] <regeya> I've been thinking of picking up a G3 blue-n-white
[04:18] <geneo93> now my nautilus fails
[04:18] <atho> They're fun.
[04:18] <atho> I'd go for a g4
[04:18] <atrus> geneo93: out demon! <sprinkles with holy water> the power if christ compels you!
[04:18] <regeya> I found a place that has 'em for around $300
[04:18] <regeya> or was it $200
[04:18] <SeeleyUSMC> regeya, WHERE?
[04:18] <atho> i paid about that for mine
[04:19] <regeya> no way
[04:19] <atho> www.macsensai.com
[04:19] <atho> call them up
[04:19] <atho> they custom build them
[04:19] <regeya> not sharing SeeleyUSMC :-) you schmucks will get 'em before I get the cash
[04:19] <atho> they're located near Philly, PA
[04:19] <SeeleyUSMC> regeya, I have to wait for my tax return on the 5th of April :)
[04:20] <SeeleyUSMC> atho, that link didn't work
[04:20] <regeya> heh SeeleyUSMC
[04:20] <atho> oops
[04:20] <atho> Rusty Japanese.
[04:20] <atho> www.macsensei.com
[04:21] <atho> Beware, the base systems are pretty shitty
[04:21] <atho> id personally find a g4 cube + monitor deal on ebay
[04:21] <atho> or g3 ibook dealie
[04:21] <robertj_> regeya: I'd pay $100 for a B&W
[04:21] <robertj_> atho: I have a g3 ibook
[04:21] <atho> send it to me
[04:21] <atho> :D
[04:21] <Yomic> Why the heck is it not letting me change/addnew/copy to/anything to my folders in /*
[04:21] <atho> I'm poor!
[04:21] <robertj_> I've already had to send mine in for the logic board replacement
[04:21] <Yomic> Except for ~/ that is
[04:21] <regeya> I believe the one I found was a refurb, but I know what you're saying robertj_
[04:21] <robertj_> those things are bad news
[04:22] <bn`> there seems to be a problem with qemu in hoary... with that version (the newest) dhcp in the guest-system doesn't work... i downloaded the binaries from qemu.org and replaced the old and finally it works - after some days trying with the version in hoary
[04:22] <atho> Ahhhhhh
[04:22] <robertj_> The mini is so much a better deal than any used mac
[04:22] <atho> Robert....
[04:22] <atho> G4 cube?
[04:22] <Roey> ok
[04:22] <Roey> another question
[04:22] <Roey> why did ubuntu install EVMS on my machine?
[04:22] <robertj_> atho: no the mac mini
[04:22] <Roey> how do I get rid of it without redoing my partitions???
[04:22] <alakdan> anyone from hawaii?
[04:22] <atho> You can get a cinema, cube, decent about of RAM for a little overr $500
[04:22] <atho> I know
[04:22] <regeya> everyone I know with g3 ibooks have good luck with 'em...and I hear horror stories all over the place.  guess it's hit-or-miss.
[04:22] <atho> The cube holds a good fight though
[04:23] <robertj_> Cinema display for < $500?
[04:23] <SeeleyUSMC> atho, I'm not seeing anything cheaper than regular there
[04:23] <atho> Robert, maybe the g3-era displays, but i swear ive seen them
[04:23] <regeya> SeeleyUSMC: lowendmac often has links to good deals
[04:23] <dweaver> alakdan: in my dreams, but I guess that doesn't count.
[04:23] <Yomic> How can I gain access to the writting of all my folders (~/ is writtable already, nothing else is except from terminal)
[04:23] <Yomic> (ANd sudo)
[04:24] <Roey> regeya:  it's good though that you're not one of those misguided folks who right grammar 'grammer'
[04:24] <atho> I've seen a dual G4 cube on ebay before, monitor, etc, for around $600
[04:24] <atho> That was a raaare find.
[04:24] <regeya> Roey!
[04:24] <regeya> did you do that on purpose? :-)
[04:25] <alakdan> dweaver: lol :) I just need to test some toll free number
[04:26] <dweaver> alakdan:  so I take it you are not here either and just checking the call
[04:26] <Roey> regeya:  what, the grammER thing?
[04:26] <Roey> regeya:  or the evms thing?
[04:26] <Roey> regeya:  I *didn't* want EVMS installed.
[04:26] <Roey> arg
[04:27] <regeya> Roey it's "write" not "right"
[04:27] <alakdan> dweaver: yep
[04:27] <Roey> regeya:   =)
[04:28] <atho> so guys
[04:28] <Roey> regeya:  its not it's, whose not who's, definitely not definately.
[04:28] <atho> does aqnyone know how to fix the hanging at hoary startup?
[04:28] <alakdan> dweaver: can access the toll free from new york (i asked a friend to test it) but can not from hawaii
[04:28] <Roey> regeya:  to Slashdot folks:  ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
[04:28] <regeya> hehehe
[04:28] <atho> my install hangs at starting the something-or-other subsystem
[04:28] <atho> hotplug subsystem
[04:29] <Yomic>  I'm sorry for my pestering but my dad is in a stupor of rage.
[04:29] <Yomic>  I just don't want to be a by-product of his rage issues soon.
[04:29] <atho> oo
[04:29] <dweaver> alakdan: Well that sucks, I was hoping you could tell me about the palms and sand.  I'll go back to my virtual Margaritaville.:)
[04:29] <robertj_> I'm feeling whiny today
[04:29] <atho> ok
[04:29] <alakdan> dweaver: lol
[04:29] <atho> better question
[04:29] <robertj_> I've went as far as to record all my gnome-whining in swf format
[04:30] <atho> how do i pass options to the kernel at boot???
[04:30] <PZoned> atho: configure grub
[04:30] <hypa7ia> atho: edit /boot/grub/menu.1st
[04:30] <atho> I'm using yaboot.
[04:30] <atho> And I can't even boot the system.
[04:30] <Fackamato> np: Wayne Wade - Lady.mp3
[04:30] <Fackamato> \o/
[04:30] <atho> Hangs at starting the hotplug subsystem.
[04:31] <robertj_> http://www.music.uga.edu/WIP/ <-- there for you complaining enjoyment
[04:31] <robertj_> first gripe complete, second gripe done in 1.15 minutes
[04:32] <atho> any ideas?
[04:32] <Roey> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[04:32] <Roey>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'
[04:32] <Roey> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD02
[04:32] <Roey> when I run lilo
[04:32] <Roey> what is this about??
[04:32] <Yomic> When I try to cp a folder to /usr/local/share/ I get the following message?:
[04:32] <Yomic> cp: omitting directory `drv_z42'
[04:33] <hypa7ia> robertj_: that is so cool, how do you do that?
[04:33] <rnewson> The warning seems ignorable, I've seen it before and it's not been a problem for me.
[04:33] <rnewson> the fatal thing sounds worse ;)
[04:33] <Yomic> root@Tommy:/home/tommy # cp drv_z42 /usr/local/share/z42tool/
[04:34] <geneo93> was there an update to 2.6.10-5-686-smp i all ready have it installed and its updating it again
[04:34] <rnewson> Maybe /dev/evms/hdb1 isn't flagged as bootable?
[04:34] <robertj_> hypa7ia: vnc2swf
[04:34] <rnewson> Has anyone successfully added the ubuntu-calendar stuff ?
[04:34] <hypa7ia> robertj_: neato!
[04:34] <JohnnyNuke> can anyone please help me, I just need a book disk for floppy
[04:34] <atho> fucking shit ram
[04:35] <JohnnyNuke> I can't find a single freaking thing about making the disk that works
[04:35] <geneo93> i'm gone
[04:36] <Lightboy> can someone tell me how to get to the firewall please
[04:36] <mastergoon> where do i look to find mplayer on ubuntu?
[04:36] <rnewson> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty/view?searchterm=marillat
[04:37] <mastergoon> thanks
[04:37] <dweaver> can someone tell me how to mount a samba drive at bootup?
[04:37] <rnewson> do you know how to edit your /etc/fstab?
[04:38] <rnewson> you should be able to set it up in there 'smbfs' for the first and third entry.
[04:38] <dweaver> yes, I just need the correct syntax
[04:38] <rnewson> what have you got so far? :)
[04:38] <robertj_> is speed ok on that server?
[04:39] <robertj_> (btw 1.5 minutes left before gripe_3.swf is up ;)
[04:39] <dweaver> actually, I just rebuild my machine and don't have what I use before.
[04:40] <rnewson> Ah. I can't quite figure out where the share names goes but "smbfs /mntpoint smbfs defaults,uid=name 0 1" is close.
[04:40] <rnewson> Are you sure the server will always be up when you boot btw?
[04:40] <rnewson> you really don't want to hang trying to connect.
[04:40] <dweaver> man, that last entry didn't even sound like english was my first language. :(
[04:40] <rnewson> I'd personally configure it "0 0" and mount it when I needed it.
[04:41] <rnewson> Ah, sorry, I'll try again.
[04:42] <dweaver> rnewson:I was talking about my english not yours, hope you didn't think I was talking about you.
[04:42] <rnewson> I did, but you corrected me, thanks. :)
[04:43] <zerovertex> I was in the middle of an apt-get dist-upgrade and my machine locked up, and now firefox is broken. apt-get told me to run dpkg --configure -a and it gave some errors about ubuntu-desktop, firefox firefox-gnome-support, and yelp
[04:43] <Roey> can anyone here help me out?
[04:43] <Roey> I run 'lilo' and get the following:  Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[04:43] <Roey>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'
[04:43] <Roey> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD02
[04:43] <foznot> i can't get VLC to play sound consistently on a dvd in ubuntu hoary...any suggestions? using esd sound
[04:44] <dweaver> rnewson: thanks for your info.
[04:45] <zerovertex> This looks like the original problem, here's the error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox.postinst: line 15: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found
[04:47] <dweaver> rnewson: Found my first problem,  after installing, Samba is not there by default.  Think that could be a problem? :)
[04:48] <Fackamato> sudo apt-get install smbfs
[04:49] <HIghoS> Ow.  It does not like ATI Rage Pro's, eh.
[04:49] <dweaver> Fackamato: thanks, I'm ahead of you.
[04:50] <Fackamato> P;
[04:50] <daniels> HIghoS: should work fine
[04:50] <dweaver> Fackamato:  I thought you left
[04:50] <vs_zach> hey
[04:51] <HIghoS> daniels: Freezing :/
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Does Ubuntu have a screen fine tune?
[04:51] <vs_zach> ...i am thinking about installing ubuntu
[04:52] <vs_zach> but i heard that it has some font problems
[04:52] <Fackamato> dweaver: nah, just restarted gdm
[04:52] <cuga> Hey, i just install samba, and in the smb.conf file i enabled so that it only uses local accounts for authentication, but I still can't authenticate to a share i created from a windows box, is there a step i missed?
[04:52] <Fackamato> vs_zach: font problems? :)
[04:52] <HIghoS> daniels: You going to OLS again this year? :)
[04:52] <Fackamato> dweaver: I played some Tekken in zinc :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> vs_zach: Great :-)
[04:52] <Fackamato> http://forum.tehjunkyard.net/index.php?s=5af64cb1a25fdaff347f4e55f3f60a22&showtopic=21
[04:53] <vs_zach> does it have font problems?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> vs_zach: Try the next step it's just as easy
[04:53] <vs_zach> what?
[04:53] <dweaver> Fackamato: Tekken, did your parents tell you about that or do they teach that in history class in Sweden?
[04:54] <Fackamato> dweaver: I have older friends ;p
[04:54] <zerovertex> How can I force apt to redownload and retry a previously failed install??
[04:54] <[koji] > will the final release of hoary be using the same repo?
[04:55] <dweaver> Fackamato: Apparently. ;)
[04:55] <Fackamato> :P
[04:55] <Fackamato> np: Iron Maiden - The Trooper.mp3
[04:55] <Fackamato> \o/
[04:55] <Fackamato> dweaver: Have you ever had an Amiga ?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Does Ubuntu have a screen fine tune?
[04:56] <rnewson> apt-get --reinstall <packagename> ?
[04:57] <dweaver> Fackamato: No, bypassed Amiga.  Went from Atari to 486.
[04:57] <|QuaD-> any developers want to tell me where ifolder is, in regards to being available for breezy?
[04:57] <Fackamato> dweaver: :/
[04:57] <Fackamato> DaSkreech: What is that?
[04:57] <sander__> dweaver, atari 8 bit or st?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Fackamato: A program that would stop the display from running off the monitor
[04:58] <dweaver> Fackmato: Iron Maden?  is this what the youth are listening to in Sweden?
[04:58] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:58] <dweaver> sander_: uhm, atari 2600
[04:59] <vs_zach> does ubuntu have font problems?
[04:59] <vs_zach> noone will answer me
[05:00] <SiRrUs> vs_zach mine doesnt
[05:00] <hypa7ia> dweaver: metal never died in Quebec, let me tell ya
[05:00] <DaSkreech> vs_zach: What type of Font problems?
[05:00] <atho> OK
[05:00] <vs_zach> i dont know
[05:00] <atho> i took out all of my PCI cards
[05:00] <atho> lets see the install now
[05:00] <daniels> HIghoS: with any luck
[05:01] <vs_zach> someone told me they installed and all the fonts were screwed up
[05:01] <dweaver> hypa7ia:It never lived with me!
[05:01] <cuga> someone <> everyone
[05:01] <vs_zach> >seen Fackamato
[05:01] <DaSkreech> vs_zach: Your Mileage may vary
[05:01] <hypa7ia> lol dweaver
[05:01] <vs_zach> hmm
[05:02] <DaSkreech> I've installed Ubuntu maybe 20+ times and I've never seen that
[05:02] <vs_zach> it didnt work
[05:02] <vs_zach> ok
[05:02] <HIghoS> daniels: Heh.  Aww, i should go again.  Will never forget KP's talks, after all :D
[05:02] <vs_zach> ill go install...
[05:02] <vs_zach> heheh
[05:03] <DaSkreech> And if you can't read anythign come back here and we'll type... um .. answers... um .... never mind :)
[05:03] <Fackamato> dweaver: yup, all about maiden ;)
[05:03] <Fackamato> np: Iron Maiden - Revelations.mp3
[05:03] <vs_zach> ...can i install stuff using apt-get with the same mirrors as debian
[05:03] <serbo> is ubuntu suport dvb cards
[05:03] <Fackamato> serbo: yes
[05:03] <Fackamato> vs_zach: not recommended, but probably works
[05:04] <WildTangn> ive had no problems with ubuntus repositories
[05:04] <Fackamato> dweaver: So what do the older people in Ohio listen to? ;P
[05:04] <DaSkreech> vs_zach: Yes but to quote the website. Why?
[05:04] <WildTangn> damn my name got shortened
[05:05] <dweaver> OK, someone help me.  I have a samba drive that I can see in Places-->Network servers.  How do I map it so that I can see it from Evolution?
[05:05] <serbo> Fackamato: this the card im talking about DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite
[05:06] <Fackamato> serbo: http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/
[05:06] <Fackamato> fly, on your wings, like an eagle, fly as high, as the sun, on your wings, like an eagle, fly, touch the sun
[05:07] <serbo> Fackamato: thanks
[05:07] <Wild> anyone here know of a free FTP server program and a DNS updater?
[05:07] <dweaver> Fackamato: I don't know about the older people, but this middle aged person dreams of palm trees and tropical drinks while listening to Jimmy Buffett and any other tropical musicians
[05:08] <serbo> when i use the patch did i need to recompile the kernel after
[05:09] <vs_zach> DaSkreech: what do u mean
[05:09] <vs_zach> to quote the sire
[05:09] <vs_zach> site
[05:10] <Fackamato> dweaver: :P
[05:10] <Fackamato> Wild: proftpd
[05:11] <Wild> ill check that one out, but first i must deal with my ISP
[05:11] <Wild> the blocked all FTP traffic on my computer
[05:11] <Wild> "innappropriate use of their network"
[05:14] <kakalto> wow
[05:14] <kakalto> I thought that this was an active room
[05:15] <dweaver> kakalto: it runs hot and cold
[05:16] <Wild> anyone heard of the "blotto box" im thinking of doing that to my ISPs cable lines
[05:16] <dweaver> Wild: no, what is it?
[05:16] <atomsk> woa...hoary rocks :)
[05:17] <shadowplay> Q: I started using a FrameBuffer console (vga=793), and it's cool but I can't see a cursor
[05:18] <shadowplay> Xenguy : you use xen with Ubuntu?
[05:18] <Wild> the blotto box is basically designed to send a MASSIVE electrical shock through phone lines, it should also work on cable
[05:18] <dweaver> with the reulot of?
[05:18] <dweaver> make that "with the result of?"
[05:19] <Wild> its a portable generator spliced to a phone or whatever kind of network cable your trying to fry
[05:19] <Fackamato> I'm gonna hit the sack, it's 5:20 am here now
[05:19] <Fackamato> good night
[05:19] <odie5533> How do you guys organize your files in the home folder?
[05:19] <atomsk> Q: Does anyone know how to use the "Application Launcher" icon for all executables?
[05:19] <odie5533> atomsk: yes
[05:19] <odie5533> just do custom launcher
[05:19] <Wild> anyway g2g
[05:20] <atomsk> odie5533: I organize them just like all the files in /. Makes more sense to me but use whatever you like...
[05:20] <odie5533> You mean ~/?
[05:20] <dweaver> odie5533:  as an old windows user - My Music, My Pictures My Downloads, etc
[05:21] <atomsk> odie5533: I like the custom launcher icon...I cant find the actual file so I can swap the ugly purple executable icon...
[05:21] <odie5533> dweaver: let windows die... ;D
[05:21] <odie5533> atomsk: Where are you clicking?
[05:22] <atomsk> odie5533: no..."ls /" but take out all the media, mnt and cdrom stuff...
[05:22] <stuNNed> f*cking power management on this laptop is the suck oh well
[05:22] <atomsk> ugh
[05:22] <atomsk> that sounds odd
[05:22] <dweaver> odie5533: I'm killing it as fat as I can at home.  Can't do much about it at work since I am a .net developer.
[05:22] <atomsk> dont remove anything in / everyone!
[05:23] <odie5533> .net eh? wow nice
[05:23] <odie5533> MCSD?
[05:24] <atomsk> odie5533: right click on the panel, then add and then you see the custom application launcher icon...I want the name of the file of that icon.
[05:24] <odie5533> What are you talking about?
[05:24] <dweaver> odie5533: no MCSD yet, but soon.  At my age I need it to keep up with th youngsters!:)
[05:25] <odie5533> ah but of course
[05:25] <shadowplay> Another question: what's supposed to mount /dev/pts?  I have it in /etc/fstab, but it doesnt get mounted on startup.  /etc/mountvirtfs *is* symlinked in rcS.d
[05:25] <odie5533> How did you learn .NET?
[05:26] <bretze1> duh!!!!!!!! "const csize& size() const { __s; } " <[05:27] <dweaver> odie5533: My company made the move from VB6 to C#.  No training, just here is .Net, do it.  I am planning to work with Mono and also learn Python.
[05:28] <odie5533> Ah... I am actually interested in the best way to go about learning plain C++, not C# .net =/ I wish to program tools and applications... maybe games if I have time
[05:28] <Chromatron600> I can't make Ubuntu recognize my monitor's capabilities. It won't let me use resolutions other than the ones I set during setup and only allows refreshing at 60Hz. I already tried messing around with it, but all I did was corrupt X and had to reinstall. What do I do?
[05:29] <atomsk> I'm looking for the application/x-executable icon filename and also the "Custom Application Launcher" icon filename...does anyone happen to know them?
[05:29] <odie5533> atomsk: I do
[05:29] <shadowplay> is C# better about garbage collection and rogue pointers than C++?  Curious, because that's one of the things that java ppl criticize about c++
[05:29] <odie5533> thats not what they criticize for me ;D
[05:30] <odie5533> And thats not what I'd say is the prob with it
[05:30] <bretze1> shadowplay: I think C# has garbage collect..
[05:30] <odie5533> C++ compared to java has few pre-loaded API libs, forcing you to use third party
[05:30] <atomsk> odie5533: ...and the filenames would be?
[05:30] <dweaver> odie5533:  I started with cobol probably before you were born and have worked my way to where I am now.  If I had it all to do all over again I too would learn c/c++.   I would love to do games but am far too old.
[05:30] <HKSDU> guys are talking about programming in ubuntu channel...lol
[05:30] <odie5533> atomsk: I still don't know what file it is, so I can't tell you the name
[05:31] <atomsk> odie5533: ugh...please dont tell me you do know them then :|
[05:31] <HKSDU> dweaver: c'mon, don't give up, making games nowadays is not that difficult, all SDKs are free to use and many open source resources too
[05:31] <odie5533> Ok?I use them often, my panel is filled, but I don't know them
[05:31] <dweaver> HKSDU:  Been here for a while waiting for an answer to my problem.  Might as well be social.
[05:32] <bretze1> dweaver: and how old are you ? ( in multiple of 10 years ... )
[05:32] <HKSDU> dweaver: what problem you have again?
[05:32] <odie5533> dweaver: before I was born pfft doubt it ;D I started DOS at age five, then got... distracted by video games. I now know a sliver of java but the whole syntax, and want to get into c++ and maybe .NET as it is good for windows GUI's or so I hear.
[05:32] <dweaver> This aoctober i'll be 4 (in multiples of 10)
[05:32] <odie5533> ok fine before I was born :(
[05:33] <HKSDU> dweaver: omg, c'mon, 4*10 is not old at all
[05:33] <bretze1> dweaverL And so for me 10*4 in very soon april :-)
[05:33] <dweaver> HKSDU: OK, how about you?
[05:33] <unkwn> anyone know why the hyperlinks colide with the text on sites, example: http://ninjalogic.com/Screenshot.png
[05:33] <odie5533> Yeah that isn't entirely, but if your job is stable and you have extra time, go for game programing :D
[05:33] <HKSDU> dweaver: just passed 2*10 + 6
[05:33] <atomsk> am I the only one having problems renaming files?
[05:34] <odie5533> omg HKSDU me too!
[05:34] <dweaver> Then dweaver == old
[05:34] <odie5533> except the + is a -
[05:34] <HKSDU> odie5533: AGREE!
[05:34] <shadowplay> atomsk : renaming what to what?
[05:34] <HKSDU> odie5533: cool...lol...
[05:34] <odie5533> ;D
[05:34] <odie5533> Now I feel like a little kid =/
[05:34] <HKSDU> odie5533: lol
[05:34] <atomsk> shadowplay: when you get a nautilus window, right click on a file to change its name...click rename, after a sec or 2 I lose focus...
[05:35] <bretze1> old=={forget the \"return\" statement in a non void function!, and set the compiler to not warn!!!! that is getting old!!!!
[05:35] <HKSDU> I started my game programming a year ago, I still haven't got anything out but at least I know how to draw some basic stuff and I started off at the middle of the mountain; I was making a game engine.
[05:35] <Darfk> hey... gota mac related question for someone...
[05:35] <Chromatron600> (Sorry to repeat myself, but I no one replied) I can't make Ubuntu recognize my monitor's capabilities. It won't let me use resolutions other than the ones I set during setup and only allows refreshing at 60Hz. I already tried messing around with it, but all I did was corrupt X and had to reinstall. What do I do?
[05:36] <DarkSMB> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51038&item=5177038622&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[05:36] <DarkSMB> that cdrom drive... it has a 50 pin connector on the back of it... what is that?
[05:36] <Xenguy> shadowplay: heh - that question is becoming more frequent -- I used 'Xen' (the nick) long before 'Xen' (the app) existed :-)  To answer your question, I haven't tried 'Xen' yet ;-)
[05:36] <Xenguy> ironic eh?
[05:36] <odie5533> Chromatron600: you try installing the nvidia config files?
[05:36] <shadowplay> Xenguy heh. ok then.
[05:37] <HKSDU> so after a year of part time studies, I got my SceneGraph(learned from Java and SGI, re-write the Java 3D API in C++), opengl and directx 3d rendering(lighting, shadow, multi-textures, different kinds of polygons), and more.
[05:37] <dweaver> since we are on the programming tangent,  what Python experience do we have here?
[05:37] <Xenguy> shadowplay: but I must say it does look rather cool, and I'll have to play with it someday soon I imagine
[05:37] <HIghoS> Xenguy: Just say you use UML instead, lol :D
[05:37] <Chromatron600> odie5533: I installed the nvidia display driver for my GeForce, yes.
[05:37] <shadowplay> atomsk : mine jumps straight to highlighting the filename
[05:37] <Xenguy> HIghoS: heheh
[05:38] <unkwn> i have some python experience, not as much as i'd like though
[05:38] <Xenguy> HIghoS: or qemu :P
[05:38] <odie5533> Chromatron600: nvidia-settings <-- I don't know what it is, but it reminds me of windows where you had nvidia tools you could set that in
[05:38] <HIghoS> Xenguy: rofl.
[05:38] <odie5533> python seems like the worst language, why not use something else?
[05:38] <atomsk> shadowplay: yeah me too but after a sec or 2 (faster if i move mouse) It loses highlighting...odd eh?
[05:38] <kakalto> Odie is a dog.
[05:38] <odie5533> thx
[05:38] <unkwn> odie5533:  shows how much you know
[05:38] <hams2> what package do i apt-get if i want the kernel source and configuration files that were used to buil dmy version of ubuntu?
[05:38] <HKSDU> odie5533: isn't that you configure your XF86Config-4 file for that refresh rate?
[05:38] <kakalto> sorry :P
[05:39] <kakalto> I was reminded of a cartoon series or soething
[05:39] <DarkSMB> anyone have an idea... is it SCSI?
[05:39] <shadowplay> hams2: config file should be in /boot
[05:39] <odie5533> I think you can do it through there yes
[05:39] <odie5533> tell Chromatron600 not me
[05:39] <dweaver> odie5533: What else? that is what I would like to know? Python,Perl,Mono etc
[05:39] <hams2> shadowplay, do get the kernel source and copy over that config file and i'm good to go?
[05:40] <HKSDU> dweaver: you really use some languages borned long time ago...
[05:40] <dweaver> HKSDU: oh, to be young again
[05:40] <HKSDU> dweaver: :P, but C/C++ are old too
[05:40] <odie5533> Old is tried and tested though
[05:41] <shadowplay> atomsk : yes, strange.  Try making a new user and seeing if it does the same thing.
[05:41] <unkwn> bigger learning curve, slow development and rollout process
[05:41] <HKSDU> I, myself, am a big fan of Java...
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> I like REXX :P
[05:41] <HKSDU> unkwn: you mean c/c++?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> since i used it ages ago for a lot of tasks in college.. hehheh.
[05:42] <HKSDU> unkwn: so what do you use?
[05:42] <dweaver> Java, sorry, enough MS left in me to wretch at the sound.
[05:42] <unkwn> well, I'm a web developer by day
[05:42] <HKSDU> dweaver: MS you mean M$?  but Java is cross platform, so you can do it in linux
[05:42] <unkwn> php/mysql
[05:43] <unkwn> python hacker by night
[05:43] <HKSDU> unkwn: I love php and mysql too, especially mysql
[05:43] <shadowplay> hams2 : copy the config file to <sourcdir>/.config  then run make oldconfig.  If its the same kernel version you may not need to make oldconfig.
[05:43] <atomsk> What else than sodipodi to open SVG files?
[05:43] <dweaver> Dr_Willis sounds like an aged soul like me.  I used REXX on an IBM mainframe back in the day.
[05:43] <unkwn> atomsk:  inkscape
[05:43] <odie5533> HKSDU: Java is nice, but the problems it has are not nice =/
[05:43] <atomsk> unkwn: thanks
[05:43] <atrus> i've got an sblive, kernel 2.6.11, and ubuntu hoary. snd-emu10k1 etc modules are all loaded, but there's no /dev/snd entries, nor does alsamixer or other sound apps work. what might I be missing?
[05:43] <HKSDU> odie5533: what problems it has?
[05:43] <unkwn> should be able to open svg in gimp oo
[05:44] <odie5533> slow, very, very. very slow
[05:44] <crimsun> atrus: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[05:44] <unkwn> java is good at an enterprise level, but that's about it
[05:44] <odie5533> I try to stick away from using java programs as much as possible due to their speed, are in this case lack there-of
[05:44] <crimsun> unkwn: it's also fairly good for easing students into OOP
[05:44] <dweaver> I am not an M$ kind of person.  I am very pro capitalism and have no problem with Bill making his money.  I just have found a beter way.
[05:44] <atrus> crimsun: not loaded. successfully blacklisted by alsa-base's hotplug file.
[05:44] <fangorious> can some running a current install of hoary check dmesg for "DSDT" (case insensitive)
[05:45] <HKSDU> odie5533: slow because of the developers.  Do a search on google, try to find all statistics.  There are many of them pointing out that Java is slower than C++ no more than 5% in many situations if you optimized for both(do not count swing please, I know it's slow in swing :P)
[05:45] <crimsun> atrus: lspci -v -> pastebin.ca
[05:45] <shadowplay> odie5533 : isnt that dependant on the VM also?
[05:45] <odie5533> you have to count swing
[05:45] <odie5533> its what most people use
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> dweaver,  I used mine on my amiga.. sad how some of the great ideas of old OS's get tossed out.
[05:45] <odie5533> rather than making their own of course
[05:45] <odie5533> shadowplay: find a fast vm then lol
[05:45] <atrus> crimsun: allright to get the pci list from my debian sid instead of hoary? (installed on the same machine)
[05:46] <odie5533> there really arent many, and if there are, I doubt they are cross-compatible with SUN
[05:46] <crimsun> atrus: certainly
[05:46] <rnewson> Sun's server VM is pretty snappy, after the warmup.
[05:46] <rnewson> I think Java can outperform C in a lot of circumstances.
[05:46] <rnewson> Do any of these chatrooms stay on topic btw? :)
[05:46] <odie5533> AFTER the warmup....
[05:46] <HKSDU> odie5533: if you are talking about standalone gui, of course it's slow.  The funny thing is that I guess it is faster to render a 3D menu using Java3D API than drawing with swing.
[05:46] <odie5533> rnewson: sometimes a bit yes
[05:46] <JDahl> rnewson, in terms of executions speed, or development time?
[05:46] <atrus> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/8035
[05:47] <HKSDU> JDahl: both
[05:47] <rnewson> JVM's generally are cross-compatible. Sun's usually the slowest btw.
[05:47] <crimsun> atrus: was hoping for -v
[05:47] <fangorious> anyone?
[05:47] <rnewson> JRockit and IBM's one are better, I hear.
[05:47] <odie5533> HKSDU: I think it is, I play a 3d java game daily, and its quite fast, 50fps and fully 3d, also it loads faster than my standalone java programs
[05:47] <HKSDU> rnewson: agree, in linux I use blackdown
[05:47] <rnewson> Java is faster for development, of course, but also for execution because of JIT.
[05:47] <odie5533> Blackdown fully compatible with Sun?
[05:48] <JDahl> HKSDU, I am not an expert, but I'm somewhat sceptical that Java is faster than C with a decent compiler
[05:48] <HKSDU> odie5533: not fully but closely most
[05:48] <crimsun> fangorious: you mean case-_sensitive_, since "dsdt" will return nothing
[05:48] <crimsun> fangorious: but yes, two of my machines return something. Why?
[05:48] <rnewson> well, it makes sense. Runtime is the best time to optimise.
[05:48] <odie5533> If it isn't compatible with the standard.. =/
[05:48] <dweaver> sorry all,  wife called and I had to step away.  let me read the log
[05:48] <atrus> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/8036
[05:49] <HKSDU> JDahl: agree!  it totally depends on how developers develop their programs.  In Java, since everything is OO, C/C++ programmers sometimes abuse their procedural skills in programming in Java and find it slow.
[05:49] <rnewson> The new Java VM's will recompile on the fly.
[05:49] <fangorious> crimsun: i meant `dmesg | grep -i dsdt` as I wasn't sure how it would be printed. I wanted to see if an enhancement I reqeusted in hoary had made it in
[05:49] <rnewson> Imagine if you could roll/unroll loops based on runtime characteristics?
[05:49] <crimsun> atrus: and lsmod, too, please
[05:49] <rnewson> rather than hoping you can guess at compile time.
[05:49] <crimsun> fangorious: which "enhancement"?
[05:49] <rnewson> developing in Java is faster, it's a much cleaner language.
[05:50] <odie5533> Yeah it is
[05:50] <rnewson> C++ is a hack on the side of C.
[05:50] <atrus> crimsun: I suppose that one would need to be while running ubuntu?
[05:50] <odie5533> it also has more 1st party api's...
[05:50] <fangorious> crimsun: the kernel should be looking in your initrd for a custom DSDT, helps people with laptops with crappy ACPI implementations
[05:50] <HKSDU> but I do think that Java is getting a lot of mess these days, I have to admit that because of that JCP thingy, too many C/C++ features requested and now Java API is a bit too messy
[05:50] <crimsun> atrus: yes, if it doesn't affect your Sid install
[05:50] <fangorious> crimsun: bugzilla #3379
[05:50] <fangorious> crimsun: thanks, btw
[05:51] <atrus> i can reboot. i've just got an issue with hoary taking forever to mount nfs shares, so it'll be a few minutes :)
[05:51] <crimsun> fangorious: if it's still open, it's highly doubtful it made it in
[05:51] <odie5533> Anyone know how to compile java to native?
[05:51] <rnewson> The Java API contains lots of deprecated crap, I hate that Sun don't drop those bits.
[05:51] <rnewson> GCJ for native compile.
[05:51] <odie5533> how mcuh faster is it?
[05:51] <rnewson> Although, native compile will not be better performance, maybe it was true in 1995, but it isn't now.
[05:51] <odie5533> ...
[05:51] <rnewson> It won't be any faster. but the exe will be larger :)
[05:51] <HKSDU> rnewson: the problem is that Sun has no direction sometimes, they want to include this and that, the original Java development team was genius
[05:52] <fangorious> crimsun: says resolved, last comment said dmesg didn't mention dsdt, though, which is why i came here. :)
[05:52] <odie5533> I like old microsoft java
[05:52] <odie5533> so much faster =/
[05:52] <crimsun> fangorious: because you're not using the correct case. It's uppercase, not lowercase.
[05:52] <dweaver> Sorry, didn't want to start a religious war, lord knows we have to many.
[05:53] <fangorious> crimsun: the -i flag makes the search case insensitive, so grep -i dsdt would match DSDT
[05:53] <atomsk> rnewson: using scripts to call a Java program thats what I call a hack :) You can still do very odd things in Java...
[05:53] <HKSDU> odie5533: no joking man, hate M$
[05:53] <odie5533> Lol?
[05:53] <odie5533> they make a mean java
[05:53] <crimsun> fangorious: it returns results here...
[05:53] <odie5533> and good video games (at least they find good video games :D)
[05:53] <odie5533> same thing tho right?
[05:54] <HKSDU> odie5533: look at .NET and you will see how crappy their products are
[05:54] <odie5533> .net is genius
[05:54] <dweaver> After looking at Linux development I thought that Python looked the easiest with the most power.
[05:54] <HKSDU> odie5533: .NET is a copy of Java, so you are saying Java is genius?
[05:54] <wm_eddie> dweaver: it pretty much is right now.
[05:54] <wm_eddie> .net is catching up though.
[05:54] <wm_eddie> s/.net/mono/
[05:54] <dweaver> HKSDU: Wait until Mono takes over
[05:54] <atomsk> dweaver: Python is mostly for scripting/prototyping I believe...
[05:55] <fangorious> crimsun: thanks for checking.
[05:55] <HKSDU> dweaver: ;)
[05:55] <unkwn> atomsk:  bittorrent is written in python ;)
[05:55] <odie5533> HKSDU: .net > java
[05:55] <dweaver> atomsk: Plenty of gui possibilities
[05:55] <JDahl> atomsk, that's not true
[05:55] <HKSDU> anyway, nice to talk to you guys, I will talk to you all later, have a good night(if yours is daytime now, have a good day)
[05:55] <atomsk> unkwn: which part? I use Azureus and its written in Java...
[05:55] <wm_eddie> atomsk: The original bittorrent
[05:55] <dweaver> HKDSU: good night
[05:56] <atomsk> JDahl: would you go commercial with Python?
[05:56] <wm_eddie> atomsk: With AtivePython, you can.
[05:56] <JDahl> atomsk, yes... whatever gets the most work done with least effort
[05:56] <rnewson> Python is really solid, certainly good enough for building commercial software.
[05:56] <rnewson> Fiddly indentation, mind you.
[05:56] <dweaver> wm_eddie: any Mono experience?
[05:56] <atomsk> wm_eddie: let me put it this way...would you allow everyone (even your mom) to see the source code for a commercial e-mail program you wrote in Python?
[05:57] <wm_eddie> dweaver: I've used it a little
[05:57] <rnewson> Why not?
[05:57] <wm_eddie> atomsk: uhh you don't have too..
[05:57] <atomsk> was that directed to me?
[05:57] <unkwn> atomsk:  what kinda question is that?
[05:57] <dweaver> wm_eddie: any experience with .Net on MS
[05:57] <kkathman> good evening all :)
[05:57] <wm_eddie> atomsk: there is python to .exe programs.
[05:57] <atomsk> unkwn: Python is good for fiddling and prototyping...its very good at that
[05:58] <ia1> his mom would probably debug it
[05:58] <unkwn> atomsk:  python is good for a very wide variety of things
[05:58] <Roey> hey
[05:58] <atomsk> unkwn: after fiddling I'd do it in a more involved language though...(its just my opinion)
[05:58] <wm_eddie> dweaver: Much less than with Mono, but I have used it for a couple of things.
[05:58] <Roey> ubuntu should have memtest86... it currently does not.  Booo.
[05:58] <ian__> is a hard freeze a known problem with using ACPI on a laptop that doesn't like it (thinkpad T23)?
[05:58] <unkwn> Roey:  it does
[05:58] <crimsun> Roey: you're lying
[05:58] <unkwn> if you boot and press escape
[05:58] <unkwn> you can go right into memtest86
[05:59] <crimsun> Roey: main ships with memtest86+, universe ships with memtest86
[05:59] <rnewson> My ubuntu install has a memtest86 boot option.
[05:59] <Roey> unkwn, crimsun what'st he package name? I searched w/ apt-cache search memtest86 and got nothing.
[05:59] <crimsun> Roey: memtest86+ and memtest86, respectively
[05:59] <wm_eddie> dweaver: For what I usually need, python is better.
[06:00] <unkwn> memtest86 - A thorough real-mode memory tester
[06:00] <Roey> 00:00:07 boot apt-get install memtest86
[06:00] <Roey> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:00] <Roey> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:00] <Roey> Package memtest86 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:00] <Roey> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:00] <Roey> is only available from another source
[06:00] <unkwn> memtest86+ - A thorough real-mode memory tester
[06:00] <Roey> E: Package memtest86 has no installation candidate
[06:00] <atomsk> dont get me wrong guys...Python is one of my favorite languages...but for me its mostly ducttape :P
[06:00] <Roey> crimsun:  see above
[06:00] <crimsun> Roey: you don't have universe enabled.
[06:00] <rnewson> It's the posh version of Perl, sure. :)
[06:00] <wm_eddie> dweaver: But if I was going to make an all out application, I would consider Mono.
[06:00] <Roey> 00:00:10 boot apt-get install memtest86+
[06:00] <Roey> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:00] <Roey> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:00] <Roey> Package memtest86+ is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:00] <Roey> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:00] <Roey> is only available from another source
[06:00] <Roey> E: Package memtest86+ has no installation candidate
[06:00] <unkwn> Roey:  update your sources.list
[06:00] <crimsun> Roey: you don't have main enabled.
[06:00] <kkathman_> atomsk what do you usually use the most?
[06:00] <Roey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:00] <Roey> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:00] <Roey> oh I have universe in there.
[06:00] <crimsun> Roey: oh no you don't. Try updating.
[06:01] <atomsk> kkathman_: ducttape languages :P
[06:01] <Roey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[06:01] <Roey> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[06:01] <Roey> I have main there too.
[06:01] <crimsun> Roey: and apt-cache policy memtest86 tells you...?
[06:01] <kkathman_> atomsk:  ducttape?
[06:01] <kkathman_> new one on me :)
[06:01] <dweaver> wm_eddie: I thought it was the right choice, I've already started playing with it.  I have also downloaded Mono to leverage my experience
[06:01] <Roey> 00:01:44 roey apt-cache policy memtest86
[06:01] <Roey> memtest86:
[06:01] <Roey>   Installed: (none)
[06:01] <Roey>   Candidate: (none)
[06:01] <Roey>   Version Table:
[06:01] <Roey> crimsun:  shoudl I take 'restricted' out?
[06:02] <crimsun> Roey: restricted is necessary
[06:02] <Roey> kkathman_:  gimme some duct tape, I will kill myself.
[06:02] <kkathman_> lol
[06:02] <Roey> kkathman_:  I SPIT ON LINUX!!!!
[06:02] <Roey> PTOO!!!!
[06:02] <unkwn> memtest86 is in universe/misc
[06:02] <atomsk> kkathman_: Perl, Python mostly...havent had the chance to work for more involved development yet...
[06:02] <unkwn> memtest86+ is in misc
[06:02] <crimsun> Roey: amd64?
[06:02] <wm_eddie> dweaver: The only thing keeping me from using it more are how hard it is to get working in Ubuntu.
[06:02] <kkathman_> im almost exclusively PHP
[06:02] <atomsk> kkathman_: add companies before yet.
[06:02] <kkathman_> meh
[06:03] <Roey> crimsun:  yes
[06:03] <imcsk8> how can i add xml support for php??
[06:03] <stuNNed> how to install sun java plugin again? it's been a while :)
[06:03] <ian__> wm_eddie: hard to get mono working?
 memtest86+ is in misc
[06:03] <Roey> unkwn:  ok..
[06:03] <crimsun> Roey: that's why.
[06:03] <wm_eddie> ian__: I'm having problems with a couple of programs.
[06:03] <crimsun> Roey: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_contents.pl?word=memtest86&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=amd64
[06:03] <unkwn> imcsk8:  sudo apt-get install php4-domxml
[06:04] <atomsk> kkathman_: PHP is nice...but I got bored of web languages :|
[06:04] <dweaver> wm_eddie: don't give up.  I dove in head first and reformatted my whole laptop.  I have tried both Mepis and Ubuntu andthink that Linux is the superior OS
[06:04] <imcsk8> unkwn, i have done that but phpinfo() still shows --disable-xml
[06:04] <kkathman_> ok, so Im thinking about moving from warty to hoary...anything else I need to do other than change the sources.list and do apt-get clear, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:04] <Roey> god damn.
[06:05] <kkathman_> atomsk - believe me, I know that feeling
[06:05] <wm_eddie> dweaver: I'll just wait for Hoary.
[06:05] <Roey> why is ubuntu so messed up right from the start
[06:05] <Roey> no memtest86, grub can't boot off raid1...
[06:05] <crimsun> for what values of "so messed up"?
[06:05] <atomsk> kkathman_: some people are having problems on the mailing list...I'd wait till april 4th if I were you...
[06:05] <Roey> smartacl/hddtemp won't work on sata drives..
[06:05] <Roey> crimsun:  those above.
[06:05] <dweaver> wm_eddie: That's what I am running
[06:05] <Roey> crimsun:  and the stupid default to kdm startup
[06:05] <unkwn> imcsk8:  a2enmod
[06:05] <shadowplay> stuNNed : I had trouble with 1.5.0_1, and went back to the previous 1.5.0.  Get the package from sun install it, then go to your plugins directory and symlink to /usr/java/jre<version>/plugin/.../libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:05] <Roey> crimsun:  at least I could change that last one
[06:05] <crimsun> Roey: well, you could help fix 'em... And honestly, maybe debian-amd64 is right for you.
[06:05] <kkathman_> Lol Roey - Ubuntu has been the only distribution I got that finally recognized everything I got :)
[06:06] <atomsk> kkathman_: but hoary is definitely yummy! :P
[06:06] <Roey> kkathman_:  :(
[06:06] <stuNNed> shadowplay: thought  there was a .deb out there for it? or at least used to be
[06:06] <wm_eddie> dweaver: I ran it for a couple of days, but decided to wait for the release.
[06:06] <kkathman_> atomsk - okie dokie...I'll wait
[06:06] <Roey> crimsun:  I need something for which I can use lilo without it spiting errors back in my face.
[06:06] <kkathman_> its not a prob
[06:06] <Roey> crimsun:  I run lilo on my sata drive, I get:
[06:06] <Roey> crimsun:  00:04:48 roey lilo
[06:06] <Roey> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[06:06] <Roey>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'
[06:06] <Roey> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD02
[06:06] <smouche> oh oh kkathman_ -- apt-get clear?  I upgraded warty to hoary, didn't know about the :"apt-get clear"  part -- upgrade seemed ok for me, though...
[06:06] <dweaver> wm_eddie: no problems this time on my laptop. :0
[06:06] <crimsun> Roey: does lilo in sid work properly?
[06:07] <Roey> yes
[06:07] <Roey> er
[06:07] <Roey> I don't know
[06:07] <smouche> should I have used "apt-get clear"? (newbie)
[06:07] <Roey> crimsun:  I had sid with kernel 2.6.7
[06:07] <shadowplay> stuNNed : yes, but yous still need to get the package from Sun I think.  The package just has a configuration tool.
[06:07] <kkathman_> smouche - someone told me that it was always a good thing to do...the clear...that way you start with a good slate
[06:07] <crimsun> Roey: it'd be great if you could verify if it does{n't}
[06:07] <kkathman_> hell if I know what that means
[06:07] <Roey> crimsun:  which was before Jeff Garzick's libata superceded the old ata
[06:07] <atomsk> unkwn: what are your uses of Python if I may ask?
[06:07] <Roey> crimsun:  it's the kernel.
[06:07] <Roey> crimsun:  I am almost sure.
[06:07] <shadowplay> stuNNed : correction... I might be thinking Debian... hold on a sec
[06:08] <atomsk> unkwn: I'm always interested to fill my toolbox *grin*
[06:08] <kkathman_> yanno - one of those things you pick up from someone that you think knows
[06:08] <smouche> kkathman_, or anyone, what exactly is being "cleared" ?
[06:08] <Roey> atomsk:  python gives me good dreams at night
[06:08] <atomsk> lol
[06:08] <crimsun> Roey: so somewhere between 2.6.7 and 2.6.10, "it" broke?
[06:08] <dweaver> atomsk: mine are just learning at this point.
[06:08] <Roey> crimsun:  yes, because the ata code was switched with libata.
[06:08] <kkathman_> smouche - no clue dude
[06:08] <crimsun> Roey: have you reported this upstream on lkml and asked for CCs on replies?
[06:08] <kkathman_> like i said...was suggested by one of those peeps that seemed to know
[06:08] <smouche> I had hoped that the package updates would magically sort out warty, hoary conflicts -- anyway, maybe I got lucky.
[06:08] <Roey> crimsun:  jeff garzick figured to re-implement sata using the scsi subsystem
[06:09] <Roey> crimsun:  consequently all /dev/hdX's turned into /dev/sdX's.
[06:09] <atomsk> dweaver: wish you luck then...very ncie language
[06:09] <Roey> crimsun:  not yet, becuase I don't know what I'd ask.
[06:09] <kkathman_> I dont think clear has anything to do with sync
[06:09] <crimsun> Roey: tell them your precise situation, and be verbose with details. :)
[06:09] <Roey> crimsun:  sih
[06:09] <Roey> *sigh
[06:10] <Roey> crimsun:  it will end up being specific to my system somehow (somehwo in the blue fuck) and I wont' get anywhere.
[06:10] <kkathman_> yanno I meant clean..not clear
[06:10] <kkathman_> dont know why I said clear :)
[06:10] <dweaver> I plan on developing GDL software in the future.   Any requests?:)
[06:10] <atomsk> cool they fixed the long loading time problem
[06:10] <codyman> is there anyway to speedup konquerer's web page browsing speed.. its god awfully slow
[06:11] <Roey> codyman:  prelink
[06:11] <shadowplay> stuNNed : AFAIK, you can install packages, but still need to get the actual jvm from a 3rd party.    ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:11] <codyman> Roey: how
[06:11] <Roey> codyman:  run prelink on all the binaries
[06:11] <kkathman_> clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files.
[06:11] <smouche> the ubuntu web site is done with plone/zope -- that stuff runs on python, right?
[06:11] <Roey> codyman:  apt-get install prelink
[06:11] <codyman> Roey: thanks
[06:11] <kkathman_> thats why I remember it as clear :)
[06:11] <Roey> codyman:  then prelink the libraries and binaries
[06:11] <Roey> codyman:  ask in #kde though first
[06:11] <stuNNed> shadowplay: thanks
[06:11] <Roey> codyman:  because I don't know why it's not already prelinked... there must be some reason...
[06:11] <smouche> thanks, kkathman_
[06:11] <Roey> why doesn't ubuntu prelink kde?
[06:12] <HostingGeek> because kde sucks?
[06:12] <kkathman_> smouche - do a man apt-get its all in there
[06:12] <Roey> HostingGeek:  ah, wrong chan.
[06:12] <codyman> so prelink -a
[06:12] <Roey> HostingGeek:  I meant to be in #kubuntu
[06:12] <Roey> codyman:  ah, ok
[06:12] <atomsk> smouche: yes...isnt Zope author Python's creator?
[06:12] <Roey> codyman:  note, I don't knowhow safe this is
[06:12] <codyman> o
[06:12] <Roey> smouche:  I don't think so
[06:13] <smouche> I will, kkathman_
[06:14] <shadowplay> Does anyone use a framebuffer console (and like it)?
[06:14] <billytwowilly> anyone seen a turionbased laptop in stores yet?
[06:14] <smouche> If ubuntu site is plone, it's much nicer than most plone sites I've seen.  The "plone look" gets old.   I tried zope once, found it confusing to use
[06:15] <bob2> zope is pretty heavyweight
[06:15] <shadowplay> smouche : what content manager do you like?
[06:15] <wnaLinux> HELP! Hi guys I just found out that some of my mp3's are MISSING!?!? What do I do
[06:15] <kkathman_> well Im off night all...ttyl
[06:15] <atrus> crimsun: okay, http://pastebin.ca/8037 has lsmod and lspci -v
[06:15] <billytwowilly> wnaLinux: Download them again?
[06:16] <billytwowilly> report the theft to the police?
[06:16] <deFrysk> 911
[06:16] <smouche> shadowplay, I've never really administered a content management system; I was just trying to learn my options
[06:16] <shadowplay> wnaLinux  find / -iname="missingfile" 2>/&1
[06:16] <wnaLinux> why? should I do that when I know that there is software out there that can recover lost data
[06:16] <wnaLinux> ok I try that
[06:16] <smouche> zope was easy to install, I found, but the documentation etc was a little confusing to me
[06:16] <bob2> if you've deleted them, they're gone
[06:17] <crimsun> atrus: contents of /proc/asound/modules ?
[06:17] <wnaLinux> no I didnt delete them
[06:17] <atrus> crimsun: 0 snd_emu10k1
[06:17] <|QuaD-> anyone know of a craps game for linux (non gambeling, just fun)
[06:17] <shadowplay> bob2: not true... you should unmount your filesystem imediately and then look at the ext2 undeletion FAQ
[06:17] <smouche> what do you use, shadowplay?
[06:17] <crimsun> atrus: output of amixer onto pastebin.ca, please
[06:17] <Amaranth> daniels: HostingGeek is still here.
[06:17] <deFrysk> wnaLinux, look in your trash
[06:18] <deFrysk> also
[06:18] <dweaver> I am tryng to import my email but it is on a xp machince.  I can see the folder through Places-->Network Places but can't see it in Evolution.  Any help out there?
[06:18] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, I know; doesn't do him any harm to watch the discussion
[06:18] <bob2> shadowplay: ext3 is the default on ubuntu
[06:18] <atrus> crimsun: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[06:18] <shadowplay> wnaLinux : or locate <filename>  if the file's been around long enough to get into the locate database.
[06:18] <Amaranth> daniels: Then why not +q?
[06:18] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: leave
[06:18] <HostingGeek> it
[06:18] <Amaranth> btw you have an extra @ in there
[06:18] <shadowplay> bob2 : same thing.  that is, the same procedure applies.
[06:18] <HostingGeek> he doesn't know howto set a ban
[06:19] <HostingGeek> he has set it 2 times wrong now
[06:19] <daniels> Amaranth: good point, thanks
[06:19] <HostingGeek> bye bye
[06:19] <HostingGeek> last words!
[06:19] <bob2> shadowplay: no
[06:19] <shadowplay> bob2 : i've done it.  It's a pain though, because you will recover file data, but not filenames.
[06:19] <daniels> sorry for the inconvenience
[06:19] <john> oi
[06:19] <john> is there a way to disable the console beep
[06:20] <bob2> shadowplay: well, I've seen things like this http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2003-January/006114.html
[06:20] <Amaranth> daniels: It's still a ban instead of a +q. :P
[06:20] <john> i am hackin away in bash and everytime i hit tab for an autocomplete it beeps and wakes up my wife
[06:20] <billytwowilly> What's so bad about hostinggeek?
[06:20] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, that bit doesn't concern me
[06:20] <wnaLinux> no its not working
[06:20] <shadowplay> bob2: my bad actually.  What I did was on a reiser partition.
[06:20] <bob2> shadowplay: ah, right
[06:20] <wnaLinux> hmm
[06:20] <daniels> billytwowilly: persistent flooding with useless crap, including intentional flooding of the development channel with the aim of making it 'useless'
[06:21] <Amaranth> Who said 'useless'?
[06:21] <atrus> crimsun: i'm assuming that's for the lack of any /dev/snd*
[06:21] <wnaLinux> I have an idea one moment
[06:21] <crimsun> atrus: are you using self-compiled 2.6.11?
[06:21] <billytwowilly> the devel channel?
[06:21] <daniels> Amaranth: him
[06:21] <daniels> billytwowilly: yeah
[06:21] <atrus> crimsun: nope
[06:21] <billytwowilly> nifty.
[06:22] <billytwowilly> I didn't know there were more channels.
[06:22] <crimsun> atrus: 2.6.11-0.2 from universe?
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> john,  try 'xset b 0 0 0 '   ( i think that kills the beep)
[06:22] <ian__> xset -b
[06:22] <wnaLinux> ok
[06:22] <Roey> atrus:  warning! warning! going out of the expected debian norms will screw you up with linux! convert to pen and paper and forget about computers while there's still time!!
[06:22] <atrus> crimsun: linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 from hoary/universe
[06:22] <crimsun> atrus: ack, please use 2.6.10-29 from main
[06:22] <desrt> how do i change my password in ubuntu?
[06:22] <wnaLinux> a lil help here I have some of the files that I lost on my dads server
[06:22] <wnaLinux> so
[06:22] <crimsun> atrus: 2.6.11-0.2 is completely unsupported
[06:22] <Amaranth> 2.6.11 has that nasty lockup from inotify, doesn't it?
[06:22] <desrt> i want an answer that doesn't involve the commandprompt or being an administrator
[06:23] <john> Dr_Willis,  Thanks
[06:23] <crimsun> Amaranth: due to that older inotify patch, yes
[06:23] <desrt> Amaranth; yes.  it does.
[06:23] <wnaLinux> can someone help me use rsync to retrieve it?
[06:23] <desrt> access to inotify structures are not properly locked
[06:23] <desrt> == kernel panic
[06:23] <john> Dr_Willis, is there something similiar for a console session (like when i hit ALT-F1 and work full screen
[06:23] <atrus> crimsun: i had the same problem under 2.6.10
[06:23] <Amaranth> I just tacked a "noinotify" on the end of my kernel boot line thingy.
[06:24] <shadowplay> desrt : passwd  ?
[06:24] <desrt> shadowplay; without using the commandline
[06:24] <desrt> i'm just trying to find out of i'm entirely daft or if there really is no way for me to change my password
[06:24] <shadowplay> desrt :  <f2> passwd  ? :-P
[06:24] <atrus> crimsun: -28 okay? my mirror doesn't have -29 yet
[06:25] <crimsun> atrus: if you blacklist bttv, does snd_emu10k1 work then? Or - disable the printer port in an attempt to free an additional irq.
[06:25] <ian__> desrt: it looks like you can avoid the command line but only if you know root pw
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: which kernel version ?
[06:25] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: 2.6.11
[06:26] <desrt> ian; i said in my original question, "doesn't involve the commandprompt or being an administrator"
[06:26] <atrus> crimsun: any way i can try killing bttv without another reboot?
[06:26] <Arc> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> john yep.. i forget the command however. :P i think its setterm or similer...
[06:26] <ian__> desrt: I know, and it's not possible with built-in apps.
[06:26] <Arc> I'm trying to burn a CD off a second drive while booted on an ubunto livecd
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: yes, 2.6.11 need noinotify :(
[06:26] <desrt> tsk!
[06:26] <john> echo -e "\33[11;0] "
[06:26] <Arc> can anyone help me?
[06:26] <john> i think that will do it
[06:26] <DarkSMB>  i just shoved a 40 pin connecter into the 50 pin slot on the left hand side... and powered the devices with a second power supply
[06:27] <unkwn> arn't the other pins just for legacy and power
[06:27] <john> i'd like to thank everybody at ubunu for such a great distro!!!
[06:27] <crimsun> atrus: unfortunately rmmoding it won't work, you'll need to reboot.
[06:27] <ian__> desrt: I'll add it to my list ;)  I'm going to bring a bunch of them up when I meet with some of the gnome developers again
[06:28] <atrus> crimsun: loading snd-emu10k1 without bttv didn't help. i can't imagine the parallel port would be an issue, but 1) it's in use, and 2) the card works fine with the parport enabled under sid
[06:28] <crimsun> atrus: what kernel are you using under Sid?
[06:29] <atrus> crimsun: everything from 2.4.x to 2.6.7,8,9,10,11 work fine
[06:30] <atrus> currently 2.6.11.4
[06:30] <crimsun> atrus: have any ubuntu kernels worked?
[06:30] <atrus> crimsun: not 100% to my recollection, although i thought it worked under warty way way back.
[06:30] <Roey> *gleefully
[06:31] <atrus> oh, and i am using bttv simultaneously under sid.
[06:31] <desrt> ian; filed
[06:32] <atrus> crimsun: I only tried hoary again recently, starting with kernel 2.6.8, which also never had working sound, although I never looked into it all that closely before upgrading to 2.6.10
[06:32] <coyote70> I'm trying to add java to my browser but I can't get firefox to use it...is there someone that can help me
[06:33] <smouche> ian__ when you meet with gnome developers, could you ask them to tweak the screenshot applet?  It's helpful for newbies to keep track of events, but it should be able to capture just a window, instead of only whole screen
[06:34] <smouche> i know there's a command line thing for that, but building the choice into the panel applet would be nice
[06:34] <deFrysk> coyote70, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:34] <IAmTheWalrus> ...Hello
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> heh - gee speaking of gnome.. is there a way to disable that Minimazeing/Maximazing window animation (boxx's zooming in/out) from the task bar?
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[06:34] <crimsun> atrus: ok, will have to consult alsa (mantis)
[06:34] <Jeezis> Dr_Willis: switch to kde ;)
[06:34] <deFrysk> Jeezis, tsk!
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Jeezis,  then i have to deal with the Idiotic ICONS in all the menus :P
[06:35] <IAmTheWalrus> Uh...does anybody know anything about using bluetooth on ubuntu?
[06:35] <ian__> but everything is shiny, isn't that worth.. something? ;)
[06:35] <smouche> Dr_Willis, great question --  I was wondering the same.  That animation gets annoying!
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> i recall reserching how to disable that gnome-eye candy once.. and all i found was emailing list discussion of "where" such an opton should be.. no way to actually do it..
[06:35] <Jeezis> Dr_Willis, but its pretty
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Jeezis,  pretty ugly,
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:35] <Jeezis> and you can disable all the fancy stuff when you set it up
[06:36] <john> whats a decent news nntp reader for ubuntu?
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> 'pan' is a very good news reader
[06:36] <john> i wanna read the gmane ubuntu feeds :)
[06:36] <ian__> I talked to a guy in a coffee shop today who was trying KDE, he said it was alright but he missed gnome ("easier on the eyes")
[06:36] <Jeezis> does know where i can get a video driver for the ati radeon x800 pro mobility?
[06:37] <john> Use fluxbox :)
[06:37] <IAmTheWalrus> Hello?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> I perfer windowmaker actually
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:37] <deFrysk> in holland they smoke pot in coffeeshops
[06:37] <crimsun> atrus: all this time I've assumed that you're using in-kernel ALSA - is that in fact the case?
[06:37] <Jeezis> ian__, i dunno, gnome does have a more streamlined look
[06:37] <deFrysk> and smoking pot and using kde is not relaxing
[06:37] <atrus> crimsun: yep
[06:38] <unkwn> gnome + clearlooks theme = hot
[06:38] <ian__> Jeezis: gnome is a sexy beast. :)
[06:38] <IAmTheWalrus> CAn anyone hear me?
[06:38] <unkwn> kde is too ... glossy
[06:38] <ian__> something about the controls (drop-down boxes, etc.) really does it for me
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> IAmTheWalrus,  yes.
[06:38] <unkwn> IAmTheWalrus:  what do you need to know about bluetooth/
[06:38] <crimsun> atrus: all right. Just to clarify: when you boot with bttv blacklisted, amixer still reports that error?
[06:38] <Jeezis> ian__, that it is, but at my college saying that will get you klined :-P
[06:38] <IAmTheWalrus> How to make it work
[06:39] <IAmTheWalrus> or if you can at all
[06:39] <unkwn> sure you can
[06:39] <ian__> Jeezis: it's a KDE kapital?
[06:39] <IAmTheWalrus> I've got a.. class 1 usb antenna
[06:39] <deFrysk> controls yattacier3 windowporders plastic icons experience chrystal
[06:39] <smouche> ian__, the boxy looking animation effect on minimizing is very annoying, and the animation seems to get slower and more distracting the further one goes in a session
[06:39] <Jeezis> ian__, yup
[06:40] <atrus> crimsun: got the problem isolated to udev now. manually created the /dev/snd entries, and everything's working fine
[06:40] <Jeezis> smouche, i believe you can turn off all those animations in the control panel
[06:40] <ian__> smouche: err, I don't even minimize, I have 9 desktops and no bottom panel :)  but I seem to remember an option for that...
[06:40] <smouche> eye candy is nice, but when I minimize a window, I want to see it gone, not see it going, if you see what I mean.
[06:40] <crimsun> atrus: you use separate partitions for the two, correct?
[06:40] <unkwn> IAmTheWalrus:  ok?
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> smouche,  or if you missclick while switching apps.. ya go tto see the min animation.. then click again to bring it back..
[06:40] <atrus> crimsun: sid and ubuntu? yes
[06:40] <IAmTheWalrus> I have no idea what I'm doing, if you can't tel
[06:40] <ian__> smouche: I think knowing where it went is much more "usable" but I can see why some people want to get rid of it :)
[06:40] <IAmTheWalrus> tel*
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> on my Slow machine - the window woule be back up - befor the animation was even done..
[06:41] <IAmTheWalrus> ...TELL. I hate this keyboard
[06:41] <unkwn> sudo apt-get install bluez-utils
[06:41] <atrus> crimsun: the only odd thing is i use the devfs udev rules, but they don't differ at all for the /dev/snd stuff, so i'm not sure why that would be an issue
[06:41] <smouche> Jeezis, (I'm not running gnome anymore, so I can't check) but I seem to remember that turning off all "feedback" produced nasty results, like flashing annoying black borders at me when moving windows
[06:41] <IAmTheWalrus> ok
[06:42] <smouche> seems like it's all or nothing with the "visual feedback options"
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> anyone else find icons in 'menus' to be annoying also?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:42] <Jeezis> smouche: yeah, i use kde now...its nice to be able to turn off some of the 'shinier' stuff
[06:42] <IAmTheWalrus> couldn't find package bluez-utils
[06:42] <crimsun> atrus: no, that shouldn't matter at all
[06:43] <Jeezis> Dr_Willis: a minimalist are you?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> Jeezis,  in some ways :P
[06:43] <smouche> ian_ -- normally I don't mind window minimising animations, but the way it's implemented in gnome could be improved.  The thick black boxy outline stuff-- doesn't work for me
[06:43] <crimsun> atrus: for a sec you had me scrambling thinking it was actually an emu10k1.c issue
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> I just find the icons to be useless.. since  i read the words.
[06:43] <atrus> crimsun: indeed, standard udev config fares no better
[06:43] <ian__> smouche: how long does the animation take for you?
[06:44] <atrus> crimsun: sorry :)
[06:44] <smouche> ironically, I always thought of kde as being the eye-candier (?) thing, but it's easy (for a noob anyway) to streamline kde, than gnome
[06:45] <Jeezis> smouche: here here, i agree
[06:45] <smouche> ian_  -- it seems to depend on system performance, starts fast, gets very sluggish as a session continues.  I have 768 ram, Athlon Xp 1800+
[06:47] <smouche> ian_ -- here's my take on the gnome eye candy:  user choices in config make it seem like the user wants maximum "visual feedback" unless there are performance problems, then he can turn it all off.
[06:48] <unkwn> try configuration editor>desktop>gnome>interface>enable_animations(uncheck)
[06:48] <ian__> smouche: I agree gnome is a bit on the under-configurable side right now, but I also think it's far closer to the ideal than KDE.  I also see it moving the right direction, whereas KDE isn't really moving in any usability direction yet :)
[06:48] <smouche> Some of us want to turn it off, just because it's distracting
[06:49] <geneo93> ian__:  your full of you know what to
[06:49] <smouche> ian__ have you really tried the latest kde version?  At least as configued by ubuntu/kubuntu, it's awesome
[06:50] <raydogg> I don't like kubuntu, they don't package any good apps, its full of K-apps
[06:50] <wolfe> hey guys
[06:50] <wolfe> I was isntalling debian
[06:50] <Roey> ha
[06:50] <Roey> HAHAHA
[06:50] <wolfe> and my xserver doesnt work
[06:50] <Roey> that's like a joke
[06:50] <Roey> the beginnnng of a joke:  "So this other night I was installing Debian..."
[06:50] <wolfe> ...and i was wondering
[06:51] <wjesus_axl> hey guys do you know how to set up xcdroast
[06:51] <wjesus_axl> how to start it as root?
[06:51] <unkwn> i like gnomebaker
[06:51] <geneo93> raydogg:  are you telling me that ubuntu has all the apps you need bahh
[06:51] <raydogg> lol no
[06:51] <wolfe> if ubuntu is better at monitor and video card auto detection
[06:51] <zenrox> wjesus_axl,  xcdroast dont work with the 2.6 kernel series
[06:51] <caffinated> wjesus_axl: yeah.  apt-get remove xcdroast ; apt-get install k3b
[06:51] <IAmTheWalrus> um
[06:51] <wjesus_axl> no way..
[06:51] <caffinated> :)
[06:52] <IAmTheWalrus> unkwn, the command you told me didn't do anything
[06:52] <zenrox> wjesus_axl,  get gnomebaker or graveman
[06:52] <wolfe> hello?
[06:52] <geneo93> well i'm back to manpuke for now
[06:52] <crimsun> wolfe: than...?
[06:52] <IAmTheWalrus> what
[06:52] <IAmTheWalrus> argh
[06:52] <wolfe> is ubuntu better at hardware configuration than debian
[06:52] <zenrox> wjesus_axl,  the reasion why dont need scsi enulation for burnning no more like in the 2.4 kernel series
[06:52] <codyman> do you think it will be safe to prelink konquerer
[06:53] <crimsun> wolfe: that's a question best posed to daniels
[06:53] <caffinated> codyman: i've done it on gentoo with success.
[06:53] <ian__> smouche: not on my own computer.  I got a KDE tour by KDE kids at linux world expo and sat next to a guy running the latest KDE today in a coffee shop and he showed me around a bit.  also read about the new version and looked at the screenshots.  I haven't seen kubuntu, though
[06:53] <wolfe> im asking everyone
[06:53] <caffinated> i imagine you should be able to on ubuntu
[06:53] <wjesus_axl> thanks guys
[06:53] <JDahl> wolfe, In my unqualified opinion, yes - by far
[06:53] <codyman> caffinated: i apt-get installed the package what command would i use
[06:53] <wolfe> ok
[06:53] <zenrox> wjesus_axl,  no prob
[06:53] <caffinated> codyman: man prelink
[06:53] <codyman> ian_: i like kubuntu works great
[06:54] <deFrysk> prelink konqueror ?
[06:54] <deFrysk> why ?
[06:54] <codyman> deFrysk: really lagging online
[06:54] <caffinated> codyman: prelinking only speeds up load time
[06:54] <deFrysk> you can set konqueror to load in kde
[06:54] <caffinated> it won't improve how it runs
[06:54] <deFrysk> in the settings somewhere
[06:54] <smouche> ian__ I have no way of judging these things, but i think you would instantly recognize kubuntu as, well, ubuntu!  Both kde and gnome have been nicely "humanized" -- ;-)
[06:55] <JDahl> wolfe, but then, I havent reinstalled Debian for quite awhile
[06:55] <codyman> caffinated: o i c
[06:55] <codyman> well what browser is everyone using for web browsing the web.. firefox keeps crashing randomlyl
[06:55] <caffinated> then your system is broken
[06:55] <caffinated> firefox is rock stable here
[06:56] <unkwn> caffinated:  you turn off ipv6?
[06:56] <|QuaD-> anyone know the developers plans regarding the inclusion of ifolder in breezy?
[06:56] <geneo93> seems to me everybody is making coments about stuff they haven't even fucking tried
[06:56] <smouche> I sincerely hope that the kubuntu and gnome-ubuntu developers will sort of cross-fertilize with ideas (and kde needs to steal gnomes desktop pager!)
[06:56] <caffinated> unkwn: i've not had to turn it on or off.  i left most of my network configuration vanilla, except for those parts i needed for my wlan
[06:56] <deFrysk> geneo93, explain
[06:56] <geneo93> just cut the shit
[06:56] <unkwn> no, ipv6 in firefo
[06:56] <unkwn> x
[06:56] <unkwn> about:config
[06:57] <deFrysk> filter ipv6
[06:57] <bob2> geneo93: please read the community code of conduct
[06:57] <geneo93> well kde 3.4 for one
[06:57] <caffinated> unkwn: no, i've not had a need to.  it runs fine.
[06:57] <bob2> and try to be more polite
[06:57] <ewfew> alguien habla espaol ?
[06:57] <deFrysk> and double click the ipv6 line
[06:57] <unkwn> it'll run better with it off
[06:57] <deFrysk> geneo93, I have tired kde3.4
[06:57] <caffinated> unkwn: it runs fine now.
[06:57] <smouche> (and ian__ gnome needs to steal kde's panel hiding mechanism-- when kde hides panels, they actually get out of the way of other apps; gnome's panels reserve the space, even when hidden)
[06:57] <deFrysk> geneo93, it looks great
[06:57] <deFrysk> but i dont like it anyway
[06:58] <deFrysk> geneo93, for kde users there is also #kubuntu
[06:58] <geneo93> i have a beta here in mandrake that will kick the snot out of anything i have ever used
[06:58] <deFrysk> try that channel
[06:58] <IAmTheWalrus> Um..anybody else know how to get bluetooth working on ubuntu 4.10?
[06:58] <ian__> smouche: err, do they?  I can move windows into the space the panel leaves behind
[06:58] <deFrysk> geneo93, sure ;)
[06:58] <smouche> I realize that gnome and kde are based on different engines (?)(non-techie here), but functionally, they each could improve themselves by functional comparisons
[06:59] <smouche> in gnome?
[06:59] <smouche> ian__
[06:59] <smouche> ?
[06:59] <ian__> smouche: yeah, just tried it
[06:59] <geneo93> i'm talking alll oses
[06:59] <codyman> everytime there is any shockwave on a website firefox crashes.. anyway to fix this?
[06:59] <bob2> IAmTheWalrus: generally, nothing
[06:59] <caffinated> smouche: they just have different focuses.
[06:59] <bob2> IAmTheWalrus: it should Just Work if the kernel supports your hardware
[06:59] <caffinated> smouche: gnome is based on a strict set of usability guidelines.  KDE is ... well it's KDE :)
[06:59] <IAmTheWalrus> hum...
[06:59] <smouche> I found hiding panels in gnome only served to visually clean up the desktop, it didn't free the space to maximize other windows
[06:59] <deFrysk> geneo93, mdk is not os its a distro
[06:59] <Roey> caffinated:  is there a need for it?
[07:00] <deFrysk> linux is an os
[07:00] <caffinated> Roey: for which?
[07:00] <IAmTheWalrus> well...it doesn't, as near as I can tell. There isn't a graphical application for it?
[07:00] <caffinated> Roey: usability guidelines?
[07:00] <JDahl> codyman, give an example URL that crashes your firefox
[07:00] <Roey> caffinated:  tell me.. does GNOME's HIG change the fact that it doesn't offer half the functionality, features or  apps that KDE does?
[07:00] <geneo93> hey beos is an os xp is an os what the hell you thiunk i'm lame
[07:00] <Roey> caffinated:  KDE is strong because it has no singular direction; people work on many different projects with many different goals
[07:01] <codyman> JDahl: www.travelocity.com
[07:01] <crimsun> Roey: psst, try to keep the DE wars outside ;)
[07:01] <odie5533> How does everyone organize their home folder?
[07:01] <caffinated> Roey: it's a bit slower moving in the feature department, but i fail to see why you think it lacks programs.  it can use most of KDE's programs.
[07:01] <deFrysk> geneo93,  I see
[07:01] <Roey> caffinated:  because those are kde programs, and they don't follow gnome's hig ;) as I was saying :)
[07:01] <Roey> caffinated:  I mean, I honestly do think that people should stop using gnome and move to kde
[07:02] <smouche> Like I said, the developers shoould look at what works well in gnome, what works well in kde, and imitate useful functions.
[07:02] <Tomcat_> odie5533: I do it by using the home folder itself as temp folder, with subdirectories like "music", "photos", "videos". :o
[07:02] <Roey> caffinated:  I see no point to it anymore.
[07:02] <geneo93> deFrysk:  have you ever used beos
[07:02] <caffinated> Roey: and as for the HIG, i think it's important that a set of standards are formed and complied with.  linux is two sheets to the wind most of the time on the desktop because of a LACK of standardization.
[07:02] <deFrysk> geneo93, tried it
[07:02] <JDahl> codyman, Am I supposed to click something to make it crash? it loads perfectly
[07:02] <Roey> caffinated:  you've seen what happens to standards.
[07:02] <deFrysk> dont like it
[07:02] <Roey> caffinated:  someone else comes out with their own standards
[07:02] <geneo93> was it fast
[07:02] <smouche> being different just to be different isn't useful for users; it's the users' focus that should count
[07:02] <bob2> IAmTheWalrus: well, that doesn't help if it's not working
[07:02] <codyman> weird it crashes instantly on my system
[07:02] <deFrysk> geneo93, its fast yes
[07:02] <bob2> IAmTheWalrus: what does 'sudo hcitool dev' print out? (in  a terminal)
[07:03] <odie5533> Tomcat_: I do the same, but I have too many folders beneath that... it becomes a task to find files
[07:03] <Draucon> anyone running pymusic?
[07:03] <geneo93> well this is faster is my point
[07:03] <caffinated> Roey: compare the windows desktop to the linux desktop in terms of application inter-operability.  for all window's flaws, it excells because it works from a common base instead of everyone inventing their own thing.
[07:03] <Roey> caffinated:  and gnome's standards are set by committees who are (like lots of committee-oriented design groups) out of touch with their userbase.
[07:03] <smouche> anyway, it's all ubuntu, it's all good.
[07:03] <codyman> JDahl: I get a "Segmentation Fault"
[07:03] <Roey> caffinated:  oh I agree!
[07:03] <deFrysk> geneo93, ok
[07:03] <odie5533> How do I edit what programs a file is opened with?
[07:03] <deFrysk> you got your point
[07:03] <codyman> Roey: I am very pleased about KDE 3.4
[07:03] <Roey> caffinated:  cross-leveraging each other's apps is a truly shining distinction!
[07:03] <Roey> codyman:  aye
[07:04] <Roey> cool
[07:04] <Roey> codyman:  what do you like about it?
[07:04] <caffinated> Roey: so, i think the gnome organization effort is a good thing.  and one can only hope that KDE and Gnome can at least agree on some of the more important parts.
[07:04] <geneo93> thank you and this isn't a gnome only channel
[07:04] <Tomcat_> odie5533: I can usually navigate my home folder and all subfolders blindly :o
[07:04] <JDahl> codyman, on this machine I have Hoary Preview, and I didnt installed flash myself
[07:04] <Roey> caffinated:  definitely!!
[07:04] <Tomcat_> odie5533: If you got too much, try using more categories and subcategories, and moving files according to that.
[07:04] <caffinated> but the HIG is less about that, and more about providing a predictable user interface
[07:04] <codyman> Roey: Well first of all very fast.. also the new interface reminds me of an os x like feeling but with still keeping the linux roots intact
[07:05] <deFrysk> geneo93, ubuntu is mostly gnome , kubuntu is mostly kde
[07:05] <caffinated> so that newbies don't start it up and get all freaked out
[07:05] <ian__> caffinated: I've noticed a real social pressure to follow the HIG, too, which is excellent
[07:05] <Roey> codyman:  do you think there was anything unclear about the interface? for example, sometimes I think Konqueror's sidebar is too cluttered.. I barely useit
[07:05] <caffinated> one thing linux programmers have been habitually bad at in the past is creating good UIs
[07:05] <geneo93> deFrysk:  you beeter check main repository has kde
[07:05] <Roey> caffinated:  aye
[07:05] <ian__> smouche: windows seem to maximize into that space, too :)
[07:05] <caffinated> and then they wonder why nobody wants to use their stuff ;)
[07:06] <geneo93> and it supported
[07:06] <JDahl> How long has the Gnome terminal had tabs? I just noticed that... a great feature
[07:06] <Roey> caffinated:  well.. I guess.. people who go and learn it in a formal manner are much better
[07:06] <Roey> caffinated:  at designing them
[07:06] <deFrysk> geneo93, I am talking channels ;)
[07:06] <Roey> caffinated:  (i.e., a CS course)
[07:06] <codyman> Roey: yes the sidebar likes to try to grab your attention a little too much sometimes.. its not too bad but I did notice that
[07:06] <Roey> codyman:  sometimes toobars appear to be stuffed with buttons -- I almost never use any of them
[07:06] <geneo93> hey go over there and see how many ppl are there
[07:06] <codyman> KDE 3.4 isn't flawless but its definately a noticeable achievement in its history
[07:07] <caffinated> ah well.  i love gnome myself.  it scratches my itch in all the right places, and provides a clean, predictable and productive interface to everything i use.
[07:07] <deFrysk> geneo93, I know
[07:07] <codyman> Roey: Yes but gnomes toolbar I find with that "spacial" stuff they use is too minimalistic
[07:07] <Roey> ah
[07:07] <bob2> "spatial nautilus" has nothing to do with the taskbar
[07:07] <Tomcat_> I'm still pondering if I want ubuntu or kubuntu when I install hoary... what I wonder is: Is kubuntu as good as regular Ubuntu? :o
[07:07] <Roey> codyman:  also, I think this translucency thing in KDE was rushed;  why enable support for it when the underlying infrastructure isn't stable??
[07:07] <codyman> Gnome reminds me of like Mac OS 7.5.3 days where it was click opens new window.. click opens new window... etc. etc. very early 90's feel
[07:08] <geneo93> gnome dont or kde dont reaally care what hardware you have now do they
[07:08] <ian__> Tomcat_: gasoline on a fire...
[07:08] <smouche> ian__ sorry, I'm confused.  As I said, I'm not running gnome now, so I can't check.  In general, i just prefer kde's panels to gnome's.  They also handle transparency better; the handles on gnome applets stay opaque when the rest of the panel is transparent, kind of ugly
[07:08] <deFrysk> Tomcat_, if you prefer kde get kubuntu
[07:08] <bob2> geneo93: indeed
[07:08] <caffinated> Tomcat_: you can always install gnome or kde in one or the other, regardless of which one you pick.
[07:08] <Roey> caffinated:  do you do gui programming at all?
[07:08] <factotum> codyman: you can change that
[07:08] <factotum> if you want to
[07:08] <caffinated> Roey: as little as possible ;)
[07:08] <Roey> =)
[07:08] <Tomcat_> Well I like both desktops... it's more that I feel Gnome has more support on Ubuntu - so it'll get more packages and stuff. :o
[07:09] <caffinated> Roey: while i understand the fundimentals of good design, it's not one of my focuses.  so i tend to leave it to the people who are truly good at it.
[07:09] <factotum> i dunno, i use fluxbox so I suppose i could use either one
[07:09] <Tomcat_> Oh well... I'll probably just try. ;)
[07:09] <factotum> or in my case, neither
[07:09] <deFrysk> Tomcat_, after install ubuntu apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get it all
[07:09] <codyman> Roey: I am having no problems with translcuentsy.. on my notebook.. i installed kubuntu and it started right up with nvidia drivers already configured and ready to go.. I get barely any cpu use and it has been a very clean install with very little loose ends to catch up on... cleanest linux installation yet
[07:09] <codyman> then again i am running the amd64 build so it screaams
[07:10] <caffinated> i just wish gnome would hurry up on the internal compositing.  the screen redraw on the desktop without xcompmgr is slowzer
[07:10] <Roey> codyman:  also, foci would have also worked (foci and focuss are synonyms)
[07:10] <smouche> codyman, yeah!  kubuntu on amd64 blazes!
[07:10] <factotum> thats what i like about linux when i first started with it, low cpu usage
[07:10] <K-Rich> Can anyone tell me how to install true type fonts in Warty
[07:10] <Roey> codyman:  hmm, I have an nvidia ti4200 and it gets very laggy with kcompmgr runnimng.
[07:10] <ian__> smouche: check 2.10 for panel applet transparency
[07:10] <codyman> jsgotangco: amd64 3000+, 256 mb ddr with 2 dim slots, 40 gb, 15.4 high def wide screen, cdrw/dvd, media cards, etc. for $750
[07:10] <Roey> *running.
[07:11] <jsgotangco> oohhhh
[07:11] <desrt> K-Rich; alt+f2 and enter fonts:///
[07:11] <desrt> K-Rich; drag the files into there
[07:11] <Tomcat_> codyman: Only 256 MB? :D
[07:11] <smouche> and the new version of kde -- this is great that kubuntu is up to date with latest kde version-- is much much faster than previous kde
[07:11] <factotum> get some ram man!
[07:11] <factotum> heh
[07:11] <K-Rich> thanks
[07:11] <codyman> TomCat: yes, only draw back really.. but i still thanks to linux don't need as much ram as windows hogs
[07:11] <Tomcat_> I'm thinking of getting an AMD64 with 512 and it still seems low :o
[07:11] <codyman> but for the price i couldn't pass it up
[07:11] <Tomcat_> Yeah, indeed.
[07:11] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu needs like... 100 MB RAM and no swap on my laptop. :o
[07:12] <caffinated> Tomcat_: heh, that changes rapidly once you open a few apps.
[07:12] <factotum> my 2600 barton has a gig, I havent had 256 since my pentium 2
[07:12] <smouche> ian__ thanks for listening, the willingness of folks to hear out people's concerns is fantastic in this community-- but, for now, I'm going with kde
[07:12] <Tomcat_> caffinated: Yeah, that's with only a few xpdfs open ;)
[07:12] <Tomcat_> caffinated: But I think it's way better than WinXP :o
[07:12] <deFrysk> smouche, are you sure ? ;p
[07:12] <smouche> But Iwouldn't have made it to kubuntu heaven without gnome-warty !
[07:12] <codyman> factotum: i still have my old mac classic in the garage somewhere... whopping 256k of ram i believe?
[07:13] <factotum> play with gimp, play some tunes, compile a kernel and see what happens with speed then
[07:13] <caffinated> Tomcat_: well, there is no question that XP has a few more things going on.  my only real bitch with XP is it's security model.
[07:13] <Tomcat_> ;)
[07:13] <Tomcat_> Gotta go. :o
[07:13] <Jeezis> is there a p2p client for ubuntu?
[07:13] <Roey> caffinated:  its
[07:13] <codyman> caffinated: what windows security model :-)
[07:13] <caffinated> the linux/unix model is far superior.  however, security issues aside, windows has better application interoperability.
[07:13] <factotum> codyman: oh yea, all the harware keeps evolving, but ive always felt like I'v always been doing the same things since i started
[07:13] <deFrysk> caffinated, not to forget the price stability tools needed to be safe on the internet bla bla
[07:13] <Roey> caffinated:  it's not granular enough!!! arg
[07:14] <Roey> caffinated:  I have this problem with OpenVPN... arg
[07:14] <smouche> I use WinXp; but for me, it's just a platform for running lots of great open-source stuff
[07:14] <caffinated> Roey: thanks.  shall i pick apart all your spelling and grammar too? ;)
[07:14] <ian__> for anyone interested in gnome/linux memory usage http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000450.html
[07:14] <Roey> caffinated:  you need to give the user admin rights to their machine so that they can use openvpn
[07:14] <deFrysk> for me its a flatform
[07:14] <wjesus_axl> guys help me out again
[07:14] <Roey> caffinated:  :) its/it's is one of my big pet peeves, hehe
[07:14] <Jeezis> is there a p2p client for ubuntu?
[07:14] <caffinated> Roey: i have far more.  like 'u', 'ur', 'lolz' etc
[07:14] <wjesus_axl> k3b can't recognize any writer device
[07:14] <Roey> caffinated:  oh that's fine
[07:14] <codyman> smouche: well with windows its basically all about the games... but thats what an $150 xbox and a 30 buck mod chip for it does ;-)
[07:14] <caffinated> but i don't run this channel, so i don't feel the need to impose it on people.
[07:15] <caffinated> so please, don't impose on me :)
[07:15] <Roey> caffinated:  I get annoyed not with the typos or the abbreviations but with the misspellings
[07:15] <factotum> p2p-->gtk-gnutella, limewire, DC something or other, emule
[07:15] <factotum> there are a few
[07:15] <codyman> Jeezis: also azureus
[07:15] <Roey> caffinated:  but since you asked, I will not
[07:15] <deFrysk> bittorrent
[07:15] <Jeezis> factotum: thanks
[07:15] <factotum> and yes, of course bittorrent
[07:15] <Jeezis> any client that you particularly recommend?
[07:15] <codyman> can't forget about bittorrent ;-)
[07:15] <wjesus_axl> GUYS...
[07:16] <smouche> codyman, for me it's more about multimedia, my favorite applications (foobar2000 audio player, Bsplayer for video, other stuff) isn't available for linux
[07:16] <deFrysk> a Gnome-bittorrent is in hoary
[07:16] <wjesus_axl> k3b is not working
[07:16] <wjesus_axl> it does not recognize my burner..
[07:16] <Draucon> anyone have pymusic installed?
[07:16] <factotum> i know a guy at work who has a g5 running as a torrent sever more or less
[07:16] <codyman> smouche: ever use media player classic.. all in one media app that plays anything you throw at it
[07:16] <Jeezis> any kde client?
[07:16] <smouche> yes codyman, it's great!
[07:16] <codyman> smouche: if it was only for linux...
[07:17] <codyman> factotum: g5s kick @$$.. got one at work and its *only* the 1.8ghz single and it screams....
[07:17] <smouche> codyman, the irony is, I managed to put off diving into linux, because so much great *nix stuff was successfully ported to windows!  Open office, gimp, audacity
[07:17] <wjesus_axl> help me out with k3b please
[07:17] <ian__> smouche: why did you finally switch?
[07:17] <factotum> oh yeah, thier amazing
[07:18] <codyman> smouche: yeah audacity just got some PR from a radio station from los angeles
[07:18] <smouche> ian__, One, I got tired of the performance drag my anti-virus software was exacting, Two, I want my desktop to look the way I want it to, now how some company wants it to...
[07:19] <codyman> smouche: oh.. i do have a windows box for using dvdshrink since its the best for the dvd 9 to 5 job
[07:19] <ian__> smouche: also I'm curious, what OSS apps were you using on windows?
[07:19] <smouche> three, like I said, I like open-source
[07:19] <wjesus_axl> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO SET UP K3B_
[07:19] <factotum> i dunno, ive been working with linux for the past 2 years after win98 just got to the point where it shouldnt be used anymore, thought i would give linux a shot and 2 years later its still working for me
[07:19] <ian__> wjesus_axl: what?  I can't hear you
[07:19] <wjesus_axl> >S
[07:19] <ian__> wjesus_axl: perhaps bold and capitals would do it :)
[07:19] <factotum> lol i still have the pentuim166 i started out with, still running slackware
[07:19] <wjesus_axl> sorry but it's urgent
[07:20] <factotum> ubuntu is a great desktop distro though
[07:20] <ian__> wjesus_axl: have you tried #kde?  it is a KDE app after all
[07:20] <wjesus_axl> to burn cd's?
[07:20] <factotum> check your /etc/fstab file
[07:20] <smouche> ian_  Videolan, gimp, Open office, firefox (obviously) , all kinds of stuff, including stuff for windows, not ported to linux
[07:20] <factotum> see what is says for you burner
[07:21] <geneo93> gcombust is best for gnome burning app
[07:21] <factotum> might have to play with permissions and goups setting a bit
[07:21] <eclipse> f\
[07:21] <ian__> smouche: once you switched, did you find any of those apps to be better in gnome/linux?
[07:21] <factotum> i heard there where some issues with k3b and device permissions in the last month or so
[07:22] <ian__> geneo93: this?  http://www.abo.fi/~jmunsin/gcombust/shot1.png  ew :)
[07:22] <eclipse> how do u put the TRASH icon on the desktop of gnome?
[07:22] <wjesus_axl> THIS DOES NOT AUTOMOUNT
[07:22] <smouche> ian__, ironically, I've found some of them worse.  Audacity worked better in windows for me (but sound configuration in linux is tricky) -- video lan worked much better in windows,
[07:22] <factotum> you dont need the capital letter
[07:22] <factotum> *letters
[07:23] <eclipse> does anyone know how?
[07:23] <smouche> but ian, I've had a lot more time to learn how to do stuff on my windows box, so I can't fairly judge performance of apps in *nix yet
[07:24] <markybob> i cant login to ubuntulinux.org...says my password's wrong.  i reset it, but get the same problem.  anyone else having the same problem?
[07:24] <factotum> i dont know what to tell ya, ive been using gnome and have it looking pretty much how i want it, apps and all
[07:24] <wjesus_axl> K3b did not find a suitable writer. You will only be able to create an image
[07:24] <wjesus_axl> that's got I got
[07:24] <wjesus_axl> that's what I got
[07:25] <ian__> eclipse: I don't think there's a preference dialog for that.  it's in gconf as "/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible"
[07:25] <ian__> oy
[07:25] <virtuald> markybob: your user name might be case sensitive B] 
[07:25] <factotum> screenshot>>     http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=181088482423b83e55f38e&p=screen
[07:25] <geneo93> wjesus_axl:  you need cdrecord and a few other things for it
[07:25] <markybob> virtuald, checked.  not it.
[07:26] <ian__> factotum: that's pretty nice
[07:26] <smouche> funny, eclipse, I was wondering the reverse:  how do I get the trash icon OFF the desktop in kde! ;-) (without hiding all the icons)
[07:26] <factotum> ian__: i like it, ive been liking a lot of the vector art thats been going around
[07:26] <Marcelo_24_MSN> HOLA ALGUIEN DE CHILE
[07:26] <factotum> inkscape is great
[07:26] <deFrysk> smouche, kde also has a trash applet asaIk
[07:26] <deFrysk> s=f
[07:27] <wjesus_axl> like what
[07:27] <wjesus_axl> I have cdrecord already
[07:27] <virtuald> markybob: 8[
[07:27] <ian__> wjesus_axl: what are you trying to burn?
[07:27] <Marcelo_24_MSN> ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAOL
[07:27] <wjesus_axl> some files
[07:27] <markybob> virtuald, can you log in right now?
[07:27] <ian__> wjesus_axl: in gnome?
[07:27] <wjesus_axl> kde
[07:27] <bob2> Marcelo_24_MSN: please stop it
[07:27] <Jeezis> Marcelo_24_MSN: si, yo hablo un poco
[07:27] <ian__> wjesus_axl: and you're in #ubuntu because..? :)
[07:28] <wjesus_axl> I'm using ubuntu
[07:28] <ian__> wjesus_axl: perhaps kubuntu?
[07:28] <factotum> your using kubuntu
[07:28] <factotum> lol
[07:28] <Marcelo_24_MSN> DE DONDE ERES jEEZIS
[07:28] <wjesus_axl> nop ubuntu
[07:28] <deFrysk>  /j #kubuntu
[07:28] <factotum> uh oh, gonna start a civil ware
[07:28] <factotum> war even
[07:28] <Jeezis> Marcelo_24_MSN: los ee uu
[07:28] <geneo93> ian__:  i,m not going to put up with your crap
[07:28] <ian__> geneo93: what are you talking about?
[07:29] <bob2> Can someone who speaks spanish please tell Marcelo_24_MSN to go to #ubuntu-es or whatever it is?
[07:29] <deFrysk> kubuntu is warware factotum
[07:29] <Marcelo_24_MSN> Y A QUE TE DEDICAS
[07:29] <Jeezis> bob2: sure
[07:29] <geneo93> there is noone over there to help him
[07:29] <markybob> Marcelo_24_MSN, please turn off your capslock
[07:29] <billy-420> Marcelo_24_MSN vas a #ubuntu-es
[07:29] <Jeezis> Marcelo_24_MSN: recomiendo ve a #ubuntu-es
[07:30] <geneo93> this bs that this is gnome channel is crazzy
[07:30] <deFrysk> the MSN bit seems a give away to me :/
[07:30] <Marcelo_24_MSN> OK
[07:30] <Nem[Laptop] > op plz kthx
[07:30] <smouche> Marcelo_24_MSN, por favor, no usa los majusculos
[07:30] <markybob> can someone confirm that login to ubuntulinux.org is currently down?  or i am the only one with an issue?
[07:31] <geneo93> thats all you guys have been beating your fingers about kde gnome kde genome
[07:31] <billy-420> it works
[07:31] <Jeezis> markybob: i didnt have a problem
[07:31] <billy-420> just logged out/in
[07:31] <caffinated> bob2: i'm curious - is this channel actually syndicated by ubuntulinux.com, or is it unofficial?
[07:31] <ian__> geneo93: I thought he might be better served asking his question in a room full of KDE users. silly me.
[07:31] <smouche> deFrysk, "warware factotum" ?
[07:31] <deFrysk> smouche, ?
[07:32] <smouche> "kubuntu is warware factotum"
[07:32] <geneo93> ian__:  you go over there and ask a question
[07:32] <smouche> ?
[07:32] <deFrysk> smouche, I was joking kinda
[07:32] <smouche> "ipso facto warware" ?
[07:32] <DarthFrog> caffinated: It's official.  There was discussion about it on the Ubuntu Community Council meeting today, about channel operations.
[07:33] <bob2> caffinated: it's official in that it's called the official channel
[07:33] <smouche> it's all ubuntu, it's all good.
[07:33] <caffinated> good deal.  just curious, because lilo appears to be restructuring parts of the network
[07:33] <bob2> caffinated: I'm not sure what it actually means, tho ;)
[07:33] <deFrysk> smouche, sure is ;)
[07:33] <DemisM> is there a way to update the gdm desktop?
[07:33] <bob2> DemisM: in what sense?
[07:33] <caffinated> bob2: well, by freenode policy if it's not official, you can't claim the name.  we're having some issues with that rule in #php.
[07:33] <smouche> Let's bring ubuntu xfce4 into it, so we don't have a bipolar standoff
[07:34] <DarthFrog> bob2: are you the channel manager? Mako seemed to act as though you were.
[07:34] <deFrysk> DemisM, you mean gdmsetup ?
[07:34] <smouche> ubuntu everything
[07:34] <DemisM> like i've installed new icons and I want to refresh my desktop
[07:34] <bob2> caffinated: oh, by that standard, yeah
[07:34] <caffinated> bob2: it was more a point of curiosity than anything though
[07:34] <smouche> Just rename the whole open software movement gnubuntu
[07:34] <bob2> caffinated: it was registered and such before ubuntu came out, but the people working on it, etc
[07:34] <vs_zach> hey guys
[07:34] <vs_zach> im on my new ubuntu system
[07:34] <deFrysk> lol smouche
[07:35] <bob2> DarthFrog: hm, heh.  I think I'm just the op and canonical employee who wastes the most time here ;)
[07:35] <vs_zach> but i cannot log in as root
[07:35] <deFrysk> gnubuntu is a good one :D
[07:35] <caffinated> bob2: we've found that it doesn't matter.  our channel is roughly the same size as this, and we're going to have to move it.
[07:35] <DemisM> is there any way to refresh the desktop?
[07:35] <bob2> DarthFrog: it seems it has been delegated to me, tho
[07:35] <caffinated> even though we've been established for almost 5 years now
[07:35] <DarthFrog> bob2: LOL!
[07:35] <DarthFrog> bob2: yeah, it was.
[07:35] <deFrysk> DemisM, should be no need to refresh
[07:35] <Jeezis> vs_zach: you need to set up your root account
[07:35] <smouche> bob2, we appreciate how attentive you canonical folks are...
[07:35] <DemisM> so it is broken :(
[07:35] <deFrysk> DemisM, on gnome ?
[07:35] <DemisM> yes
[07:36] <vs_zach> how do i set up my root account
[07:36] <bob2> caffinated: wow
[07:36] <deFrysk> DemisM, use the theme manager
[07:36] <markybob> vs_zach, sudo passwd root
[07:36] <Jeezis> sudo passwd root
[07:36] <bob2> caffinated: well, I guess someone should ask him about it, tho I can't imagine how it could be any more official
[07:36] <caffinated> bob2: well, if the official ubuntu project recognizes you, you've got no issues.
[07:37] <deFrysk> DemisM,  you can set the icons in the details section of the theme manager
[07:37] <caffinated> if not, well, you might wind up getting a /msg from the network admin here
[07:37] <bob2> caffinated: the core php developers don't recognise #php?
[07:37] <caffinated> bob2: they don't recognize any php channel
[07:37] <caffinated> on any network
[07:38] <caffinated> rasmus and the others are very anti-irc for some reason
[07:38] <bob2> ah
[07:38] <deFrysk> they are irc-sists
[07:38] <bob2> most old-school developers are like that, it seems
[07:38] <bob2> unless they're dragged onto it
[07:39] <DarthFrog> IRC can be kinda messy.
[07:39] <caffinated> probably the socio-political BS that almost inevitably happens sooner or later
[07:39] <ian__> irc is pretty oldschool itself
[07:40] <geneo93> yeah donyt fix it if its not broken'
[07:41] <vs_zach> hey
[07:41] <vs_zach> now im having apt problems
[07:41] <vs_zach> i ran apt-setup
[07:41] <vs_zach> and put in a new source
[07:41] <geneo93> for what
[07:41] <vs_zach> fluxbox
[07:42] <geneo93> apt-get installl fluxbos
[07:42] <deFrysk> -l s=x
[07:42] <vs_zach> no
[07:42] <vs_zach> apt-get install fluxbox doesnt work
[07:43] <vs_zach> cannot find the package
[07:43] <vs_zach> hellloooo
[07:43] <geneo93> oh you dont have all the repositories enabled then
[07:43] <neighborlee> anyone else still seeing firefox causing gnome-panel ( and so far gnome-terminal too is toast)  and seemingly entire desktop to crash ??
[07:44] <deFrysk> neighborlee, no ?
[07:44] <neighborlee> deFrysk, why the question mark
[07:44] <vs_zach> what the heck
[07:44] <geneo93> you need to edit apt src list uncomment
[07:44] <vs_zach> apt-setup is being a dick
[07:44] <deFrysk> neighborlee, wondering what you did to your box
[07:45] <neighborlee> deFrysk, nothing at all....this has been ongoing issue in hoary preview for a while and I would have thought it would be fixed by now
[07:45] <neighborlee> shrugggg
[07:45] <neighborlee> its been behaving so nicely too till just now ;-))ha
[07:45] <deFrysk> neighborlee, hehe
[07:46] <vs_zach> can someone help me with apt
[07:46] <vs_zach> please
[07:46] <neighborlee> and since my desktop is fried i shall make like tree and leaf and brb
[07:47] <caffinated> mm, i'm quite happy with hoary, despite the small issues i had getting the wlan up initially.
[07:47] <smouche> folks, can anyone tell me why Amarok is playing mp3 "out of the box"  in kubuntu?  This is a pleasant surprise, but I thought there were licensing issues...
[07:47] <caffinated> it's fixed some issues i was having before.
[07:48] <deFrysk> vs_zach, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[07:48] <smouche> here I thought I would have to apt-get mp3 codecs or whatever from mulitiverse... ?
[07:48] <caffinated> i think i'm going to switch to desktop-tweakin mode soon here heh
[07:48] <smouche> anyway, with gnome warty, I couldn't play mp3 immediately, with kubuntu, I can
[07:49] <geneo93> aint that nice
[07:49] <caffinated> i had no problems playing mp3s once i stopped trying to use the music player that came with it, and started using xmms
[07:49] <deFrysk> smouche, probably you had universe open before you instaslled amarok ;)
[07:49] <smouche> (I'm talking about a fresh install of kubuntu array 7, I think, no other ubuntu stuff was on that drive)
[07:49] <deFrysk> en great spelling yeah!
[07:49] <geneo93> na its right off cd man
[07:49] <smouche> no, deFrsysk, this is a brand new install from cd, no updates.
[07:49] <deFrysk> smouche, thats cool then
[07:52] <geneo93> thats kde packaging
[07:53] <smouche> hmm, but I thought it was ubuntu policy to not have mp3 etc support installed by default; I'm not complaining, mind you.
[07:53] <smouche> man, Amarok is nice.  I like it better than rhythm box and totem so far...
[07:54] <crimsun> smouche: it is ubuntu policy; kubuntu policy might differ.
[07:55] <optiks> hi
[07:55] <neighborlee> hi optika
[07:55] <neighborlee> optiks even LOL
[07:55] <optiks> I want to increase my monitor refresh rate to 75Hz, but options only allow me the option of 60 -- is there a way to force the refresh rate value ?
[07:55] <optiks> g'day :P
[07:56] <neighborlee> optiks: you need to alter that in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:56] <neighborlee> optika, somehow it did not detect right during install
[07:56] <neighborlee> optika, make sure you go by your manual or you can break things ;)
[07:57] <optiks> s/optika/optiks ;)
[07:57] <smouche> I see crimsun; the ubuntu/kubuntu relationship is still terra incognita to me; I thought it was all working under Canonical's oversight
[07:57] <crimsun> smouche: two different distros sharing the same base
[07:57] <optiks> any idea what option I am editing?
[07:57] <smouche> I see.  thanks crimsun.
[08:00] <neighborlee> optika,'section MONITOR' is what you want..its under there
[08:01] <optiks> that's what I'm saying, neighborlee, there's no option to force it.
[08:02] <vs_zach> does anyone know where i could find a apt source for fluxbox
[08:04] <ian__> nautilus PDF thumnailer!  http://www.gnome.org/~fherrera/img/pdfs.png
[08:04] <ian__> +b
[08:04] <ian__> *drool*
[08:06] <_4strO> vs_zach> on oary repository
[08:06] <_4strO> hoary*
[08:06] <vs_zach> where?
[08:07] <_4strO> you're on warty ?
[08:08] <ice_1963> i'm on hoary
[08:08] <_4strO> apt-get install fluxbox ...
[08:09] <odie5533> How many video players can you run on linux without any lag?
[08:09] <ice_1963> why
[08:09] <odie5533> I run two on windows and it freezes...
[08:09] <_4strO> will try
[08:09] <_4strO> ;o
[08:09] <smouche> how much ram, odie5533?
[08:09] <odie5533> 512mb
[08:09] <odie5533> I got 5 running not a bit of lag
[08:09] <odie5533> my sound sounds funny though, so many diff things
[08:10] <geneo93> i think i got to around 30
[08:10] <odie5533> 6 it gets a BIT laggy on some :(
[08:10] <smouche> Odie5533, with 512 in windows you should be able to run more than that; try the old windows media player, or google for "media player classic"
[08:10] <odie5533> frames dropping on one of them
[08:10] <odie5533> the others look perfect
[08:10] <_4strO> 4 for me
[08:10] <odie5533> ah its lagging at 6 =/
[08:11] <odie5533> 5 is the max, though I see no reason to run more than one :D
[08:11] <ioguix_> hi everyone :)
[08:11] <Sirinus> Hi folks
[08:11] <_4strO> hi
[08:12] <ioguix_> I need some clue about the live cd hoary ppc :/
[08:12] <virtuald> odie5533: if you have more than one screen and sound card then it would be useful :P
[08:12] <odie5533> I have 2 sound cards
[08:12] <odie5533> :D
[08:12] <virtuald> :D
[08:12] <ioguix_> It doesn't boot on my ibook G4 12" 800MHz
[08:12] <odie5533> onboard (which isnt crap, its pretty good) and a 5.1 SS
[08:12] <virtuald> SS?
[08:12] <odie5533> Surround Sound
[08:12] <virtuald> ok
[08:12] <ioguix_> with yaboot or with the 'C' key...
[08:12] <smouche> I'm just really happy that kubuntu recognized my sound card, and uses it perfectly, no messing around with sound configuration at all
[08:13] <bob2> ioguix_: do other cds boot?
[08:13] <odie5533> smouche: same, except ubuntu, no 'k'
[08:13] <ioguix_> bob2: yep
[08:13] <odie5533> My card is an odd card, but very high quality
[08:13] <odie5533> Mad Dog Multimedia Sound Card
[08:13] <ioguix_> bob2: like the apple cd for example...
[08:14] <odie5533> Ah apple...
[08:14] <ioguix_> I am currently writing the iso a second time...
[08:14] <odie5533> Never had one, and proud of it :D
[08:14] <ioguix_> to try again...
[08:14] <ioguix_> odie5533: lol
[08:14] <smouche> ubuntu, kubuntu, gnubuntu, it's all good odie5533 ;-)
[08:14] <bob2> ioguix_: ok
[08:14] <odie5533> gnubuntu? never heard of it
[08:14] <DarthFrog> Gnubuntu.  Love it. :-)
[08:14] <odie5533> I've heard of gnoppix, which is based of ubuntu
[08:14] <Sirinus> ...Hm, does anyone have any idea what could cause the debootstrap to throw up an error 1 during installation on aN Apple G4 AGP?
[08:15] <DarthFrog> rms would love GNUbuntu, too.
[08:15] <smouche> you buntu, thou buntust, el bunta, nosotros bunatamos...
[08:15] <odie5533> Does gnubuntu exist?
[08:15] <odie5533> or is that a joke?
[08:15] <bob2> Sirinus: you'd need to paste the error to #flood
[08:15] <smouche> joke, odie5533 -- and hope!  ;-)
[08:15] <bob2> odie5533: gnoppix is only recently based on ubuntu, up until 6 months ago it was seperate
[08:16] <odie5533> 6 months is pretty long lol
[08:16] <DarthFrog> bob2: Up until 6 months ago, ubuntu didn't exist. :-)
[08:16] <ioguix_> Is it normal that I can't mount the live cd of hoary under MacOSX ??
[08:16] <Sirinus> bob2: Hmm, ok - thats all that it tells me though - i'm not sure how I get the details
[08:16] <smouche> I should copyright gnubuntu -- er, no I shouldn't.  Stallman would get pissed.
[08:16] <odie5533> hmm gnubuntu.org .net and .com are all registered domains...
[08:17] <fez_> I just installed hoary on a machine with a 1680x1050 screen... i found this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html) and edited the conf file, but how do i get the changes to take effect without restarting the system?
[08:17] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Who owns them?
[08:17] <odie5533> checking
[08:17] <bob2> DarthFrog: heh, I was using it in june ;)
[08:17] <DarthFrog> fez_: Press CTL-ALT-Backspace.
[08:17] <smouche> heh, DarthFrog --it took me a minute to realize what you meant by "rms", lol.  Linux/gnu noob here...
[08:17] <bob2> Sirinus: no, we need to see maybe 6 lines before that
[08:17] <DarthFrog> bob2: :-)
[08:17] <odie5533> someone in london
[08:17] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Mark Shuttleworth?
[08:18] <odie5533> nope
[08:18] <smouche> odie5533, -- gnubuntu is registered as a domain??  heh
[08:18] <fez_> DarkFrog: I tried that... and x exited and restarted... but i am still running in the old resolution... it could be that i didn't edit the file correctly.. is there an automated way of creating the modelines?
[08:18] <odie5533> .net .com and .org
[08:18] <odie5533> Registrant Organization:MRS Virtual Development
[08:18] <odie5533> MRS virtual dev
[08:18] <ioguix_> 
[08:18] <Sirinus> bob2: Okay, one moment
[08:18] <bob2> hahaha
[08:18] <odie5533> wonder what that is
[08:18] <ioguix_> arf
[08:18] <ioguix_> nobody can help me ?
[08:18] <ioguix_> :/
[08:18] <DarthFrog> fez_: If X restarted in the old resolution, then you did not make the changes you thought you made.
[08:19] <bob2> ioguix_: no, it's not normal
[08:19] <smouche> well, once ubuntu settles on an animal (warthog, hedgehog, badger?? what's next ;-) we'll see nice graphics with Tux and the gnu ...
[08:19] <DarthFrog> Perky Penguin.
[08:20] <ioguix_> bob2: lol, thanks...I already installed a warty, so I use yaboot as boot manager...any clue about that ?
[08:20] <smouche> Or maybe, it should be called "noobuntu".
[08:20] <bob2> ioguix_: no, sorry
[08:20] <DarthFrog> Testy Tenerec
[08:20] <fez_> DarthFrog: yeah i guess not... is there any way of editing the resolution chooser options?
[08:20] <bob2> ioguix_: try asking on the user list, I guess
[08:20] <bob2> ioguix_: could just be you burnt it incorrectly, check the md5sum too
[08:20] <ioguix_> bob2: ok, I'm gonna try with the CD I just burned...
[08:20] <DarthFrog> Crafty Coyote, Dusty Dormouse, Jaggy Jaguar, Lusty Lemming, Rocky Racoon. :-)
[08:21] <ioguix_> bob2: I gona check that first ;)
[08:21] <smouche> Gnomish Gnu
[08:21] <odie5533> DarthFrog: Someone in the community owns the gnubuntu set
[08:21] <odie5533> A staff I believe
[08:21] <DarthFrog> odie5533: That's what I figured.
[08:21] <odie5533> Whats gonna be there :D
[08:22] <smouche> Sprinting Springbok
[08:24] <odie5533> Its the same person that registered the canonical.com domain, except with a different name :D
[08:24] <smouche> covering all their bases
[08:26] <odie5533> well I hope gnubuntu turns into something cool :D
[08:26] <smouche> hmm, is Shuttleworth still into space travel?  could this distro be the first linux used in space someday? (or has that been done?)
[08:26] <odie5533> prob been done
[08:26] <odie5533> just no one cares
[08:26] <odie5533> ;)
[08:27] <odie5533> no offense to any linux users of course
[08:27] <geneo93> the shuttle that crashed was using M$ crap
[08:28] <odie5533> wait, the os crashed?
[08:29] <geneo93> 5 friging computers and none of them worked atm
[08:29] <jdub> smouche: he took mozilla with him :)
[08:30] <smouche> heh heh.  By the way, jdub, next time Mr Shuttleworth invites all you developers out on his yacht (he does do that right?) please thank him for me...
[08:30] <smouche> ;-)
[08:31] <jsgotangco> hello
[08:31] <jdub> we won't be yachting, but we'll all be at UbuntuDownUnder in Sydney in late april :)
[08:31] <jsgotangco> ohh
[08:31] <jsgotangco> jdub: hi
[08:31] <jsgotangco> jdub: it seems i'll see you there as well as i got sponsored
[08:32] <jdub> rock and roll
[08:32] <smouche> have fun jdub-- hope y'all share the pictures on the web site
[08:32] <bob2> hah
[08:32] <bob2> the pictures are kinda scary
[08:32] <smouche> irony:  my first task in using kynaptic -- downloading synaptic.
[08:33] <jsgotangco> has anyone encoutered login failures in the wiki at the moment
[08:33] <bob2> it seems broken
[08:33] <bob2> people know about it
[08:33] <jsgotangco> so it seems
[08:33] <geneo93> smouche:  why aint it called gynaptic
[08:34] <smouche> lol, geneo93.  That sounds a bit obstetric to me...
[08:34] <geneo93> maybe cause its not a gnome app
[08:35] <geneo93> or has nothing to do with gnome
[08:35] <geneo93> or kde
[08:35] <smouche> I think you're on to something there, geneo93.
[08:35] <odie5533> Do people that work on ubuntu ever stop in here?
[08:35] <jdub> odie5533: always
[08:35] <bob2> yes
[08:35] <jdub> well
[08:35] <odie5533> oh
[08:35] <jdub> not stop
[08:35] <jdub> we never stop
[08:35] <jsgotangco> always
[08:35] <smouche> odie5533, jdub is a developer.
[08:36] <smouche> and bob2, /
[08:36] <smouche> ?
[08:36] <factotum> and ya don' stooop
[08:36] <geneo93> its hard to stop in irc
[08:36] <odie5533> wow, I thought that dev's weren't coming in here
[08:36] <odie5533> 'stop' = come into IRC
[08:36] <odie5533> Maybe its a chicago term...
[08:36] <smouche> They stoop to konquer.
[08:37] <odie5533> jdub: what is gnubuntu.org/com/net for?
[08:37] <factotum> devs are everywhere, its crazy when you meet one, especially when youve known them off and on for a looong time
[08:37] <geneo93> coffee shop
[08:37] <odie5533> coffee shop?
[08:37] <jdub> odie5533: might be a surprise. :-)
[08:37] <odie5533> Do you know?
[08:37] <jdub> yes.
[08:37] <odie5533> :D
[08:37] <bob2> hah
[08:38] <odie5533> I hope its a good surprise!
[08:38] <jsgotangco> interesting
[08:38] <geneo93> maybe
[08:38] <jdub> (compare the dates of gnubuntu.org and kubuntu.org)
[08:39] <geneo93> dont start agggain
[08:39] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:39] <jsgotangco> interesting stuff
[08:39] <smouche> hmm, let me guess-- gnubuntu is Shuttleworth's gift to Richard Stallman -- no funding worries for gnu open source ever in perpetuity!
[08:39] <smouche> (how rich is Shuttleworth anyway?)
[08:39] <crimsun> "enough"
[08:39] <odie5533> sptember 04
[08:39] <jsgotangco> rich enough to join the soyuz
[08:40] <odie5533> So what is gnubuntu.org for
[08:40] <smouche> jesus, I started a joke, and it got the whole world coughing...
[08:40] <BuffaloSoldier> maybe gnubuntu is like an investment for the future
[08:40] <BuffaloSoldier> GNU/Hurd based Ubuntu
[08:40] <odie5533> ubuntu.org was created months before gnubuntu
[08:40] <jsgotangco> if HURD does get finished
[08:40] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:41] <odie5533> or maybe its a top secret organization
[08:41] <smouche> somebody register noobuntu, please
[08:41] <odie5533> bent on... distributing free operating systems
[08:41] <syn-ack> jsgotangco: it will be done. They bitch more than any other org I know.
[08:41] <virtuald> what do you think comes first, Hurd or Duke Nukem Forever?
[08:41] <jsgotangco> how about poobuntu since people sometimes think the ubuntu colors remind them of poo
[08:41] <bob2> the hurd exists already
[08:42] <bob2> duke nukem forever does not
[08:42] <virtuald> well
[08:42] <virtuald> they have code
[08:42] <virtuald> B] 
[08:42] <smouche> doodoobuntu
[08:43] <turf> guys has any one here have successful made internal modem of ibook work, can u direct me to some docs?
[08:43] <odie5533> Hmm
[08:44] <odie5533> is ubuntu registration down?
[08:44] <jsgotangco> its borked at the moment in my experience
[08:44] <turf> i down load it from there site
[08:44] <jsgotangco> i cant even fix the wiki
[08:44] <bob2> odie5533: as I said earlier, it's broken
[08:44] <BuffaloSoldier> virtuald: i think duke nukem first :P
[08:44] <odie5533> Ah, sorry, I missed that
[08:44] <virtuald> :P
[08:45] <smouche> Duke Nukuntu vs The HURD
[08:45] <BuffaloSoldier> but i do hope it gets finished... another opensource OS.. the more the merrier
[08:46] <puppet> no one that have check on v4l2 and v4l? since gnomemeeting dont work at all now kinda :/ But the rest work with cam its just kinda gnomemeeting
[08:46] <bob2> turf: if it's a g3 ibook, it should be possible
[08:46] <BuffaloSoldier> Duke Nukuntu = Duke Nukem for Ubuntu?
[08:46] <smouche> I hope open BeOs or whatever it's called gets finished.
[08:46] <BuffaloSoldier> smouche: is that Zeta OS?
[08:46] <turf> bob2: its an old ibook 300 mhz
[08:47] <smouche> BuffaloSoldier, I think Zeta is one of the BeOs clone projects, yeah -- but there are others... /
[08:47] <smouche> I think -- anyway, I loved BeOs.
[08:47] <turf> bob2: i notice during installation the only detected for net connection is airport and my eth0
[08:47] <bob2> sure, it won't work automatically
[08:48] <turf> bob2: yes its a G3 300 mhz, its kind of old
[08:48] <jsgotangco> i think the older airports are supported but the newer ones use broadcom so its a no go
[08:49] <smouche> too bad thoreauputic isn't on here now; he uses an ibook, I think
[08:49] <smouche> but on a dialup
[08:49] <turf> i havent tried airport yet, only the lan
[08:49] <smouche> yeah, new airport i've heard is not supported
[08:49] <turf> smouche; he have use it on a dialup?
[08:49] <jsgotangco> he's good
[08:49] <jsgotangco> hhee
[08:49] <Sirinus> bob2: Thanks for starting to help me..looks like a reburn with different software on a different machine fixed the issue :)
[08:49] <smouche> yeah, I think so
[08:50] <jsgotangco> hi membreya
[08:51] <bob2> Sirinus: ah, right
[08:51] <bob2> Sirinus: broken cds seem to cause most install problems trhese days
[08:51] <membreya> hey there jsgotangco :)
[08:52] <Sirinus> bob2: Yeah, I eventually found a post on the forum which talked about Nero causing issues..seems to be the case here, too
[08:52] <puppet> bah no one more that have problems with v4l2 :( Worked fine in Debian :/
[08:52] <woodywarty> Hi all
[08:52] <woodywarty> Can somebody help to out with Squid
[08:52] <membreya> not long now till the final :D
[08:53] <BuffaloSoldier> guys, got to go.. take care
[08:53] <woodywarty> Squid is running fine on my system
[08:53] <puppet> squid is easy to setup
[08:53] <woodywarty> But the access.log is 0 KB in size
[08:53] <GNAM> very best in translations is BAD
[08:53] <GNAM> you must learn english.
[08:53] <membreya> woodywarty: have you configured the log properly ?
[08:53] <woodywarty> Why is the access.log 0 KB in size
[08:53] <jimarko> Hey all! Quick Question... Anyone had issues with Flash animations losing sync with sound?
[08:53] <woodywarty> membreya, I sure did the config rightly
[08:53] <smouche> bob2, Sirinus, Nero kept screwing up my ubuntu CDs till i set the burn to slowest speed possible.
[08:54] <membreya> did you chmod the /var/log/squid directory?
[08:54] <turf> where should i go for basic commands in ubuntu, cause some of the command i use like for ex. service mysql restart stuff like that?
[08:54] <membreya> i mean chown
[08:54] <bob2> membreya: you don't need to do that
[08:54] <bob2> turf: they're all the same as Debian
[08:54] <bob2> turf: invoke-rc.d is the tool you're looking for there
[08:54] <turf> ok, thanks
[08:54] <woodywarty> Well I did
[08:54] <membreya> woodywarty: in your squid.conf, have you stipulated the log file
[08:55] <woodywarty> Yes I did, hey it is now working
[08:55] <membreya> lol :P
[08:55] <woodywarty> membreya, I don't understand why
[08:56] <woodywarty> But tomorrow, the access.log will again be 0 KB in size
[08:56] <turf> by the way ubuntu is cool in ibook, easy to install just need to work on my int. modem
[08:56] <membreya> nfi woodywarty, try #squid :) chrish is a great help
[08:56] <membreya> woodywarty: don't forget that the log rotates daily
[08:56] <woodywarty> And today's access logs gets tared
[08:58] <bob2> woodywarty: er, you know logs get rotated, right?
[08:58] <bob2> this is the same on all modern unixes
[08:58] <membreya> bob2: that's what I said :P
[08:59] <woodywarty> bob2, what do you mean by rotated ?
[08:59] <jimarko> has anyone encountered a SWF audio sync problem?
[08:59] <woodywarty> what should the write permissions of the the access.log be ?
[09:00] <puppet> woodywarty: to the user you run squish as
[09:00] <bob2> woodywarty: don't touch the permissions
[09:00] <bob2> they are fine
[09:00] <bob2> you'll only break it
[09:00] <pinPoint> there's almost audio sync in anything involving video and audio
[09:00] <pinPoint> or clip and audio
[09:00] <bob2> woodywarty: every morning, a tool called logrotate moves your log files to a new name and compresses the old ones
[09:00] <membreya> bob2: wouldn't that depend on the user you run squid as ? :P
[09:00] <bob2> woodywarty: this is so your logs don't fill up /var/log/
[09:00] <pinPoint> i experience audio sync problems in DVDs too
[09:00] <bob2> membreya: the default in Debian and Ubuntu is fine
[09:00] <woodywarty> Oh Ok, that's going well
[09:01] <membreya> bob2: you mean "nobody"
[09:01] <woodywarty> But I really don't understand why the access.log stops working after getting rotated today
[09:01] <bob2> woodywarty: "stops working"?
[09:01] <bob2> did someone change the permissions on it?
[09:01] <woodywarty> for example, the access.log will again be 0 KB in size after getting rotated tomorrow
[09:01] <membreya> bob2: he said it's 0 bytes....but then said "it's working"
[09:02] <syn-ack> jimarko: Blame Macromedia for that. its common on all linux distros
[09:02] <membreya> woodywarty: rotated means it gets emptied
[09:02] <jimarko> ARGH! really? and there is no other plugin is there...
[09:02] <bob2> woodywarty: that's fine.  then as new requests come in, it'll grow.
[09:02] <jimarko> like a 3rd party developed plugin or something
[09:02] <woodywarty> Well yes, the access.log file today will get zipped tomorrow
[09:02] <topyli> jimarko: nobody can make one
[09:02] <syn-ack> jimarko: not one worth a damn
[09:03] <woodywarty> Today's access.log will be access.log.1.gz tomorrow
[09:03] <bob2> woodywarty: right
[09:03] <bob2> woodywarty: I don't think we get what yo uthink the problem is
[09:03] <woodywarty> But after that, the new access.log will be again 0 KB in size
[09:03] <jimarko> ok, well thx for the info :)
[09:04] <dave_> anyone know how to install nvidia drivers?
[09:04] <membreya> dave_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:04] <woodywarty> bob2, I am saying that my access.log tomorrow will be 0KB
[09:04] <lizardking> hello
[09:04] <syn-ack> woodywarty: and the problem with that is?
[09:04] <bob2> dave_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:04] <ioguix_> hello
[09:04] <bob2> woodywarty: that's what's supposed to happen
[09:05] <membreya> woodywarty: as i said, when the log rotates it empties
[09:05] <woodywarty> Well how can I analyze a Access.log which is 0 KB in size
[09:05] <bob2> woodywarty: er?
[09:05] <bob2> woodywarty: you're missing the point
[09:05] <membreya> woodywarty: check the stored logs
[09:05] <topyli> woodywarty: analyze the old one, it's all there
[09:05] <bob2> woodywarty: if you want to look at yesterday's data, look at access.1.log.gz
[09:05] <lizardking> do U know which program or gdesk display allow you to put the Terminal in the desktop background?
[09:05] <Amaranth> Can I get hoary users to try out the latest release of my menu editor? I need lots of testers. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
[09:05] <dave_> yeh i install my driver then edit the config to use the driver rather than the base driver and xwindow dosnt start
[09:05] <membreya> lizardking: AFAIK you cant
[09:05] <syn-ack> woodywarty: see this? this install is almost 3 weeks old: 6.6M    /var/log
[09:06] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: i'll get it now to try it tee hee
[09:06] <dave_> nvidia
[09:06] <membreya> woodywarty: use calamaris to analyze your log files
[09:06] <syn-ack> woodywarty: it would be ALOT larger without the compression
[09:06] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: Are you the one I told to wait a day? :)
[09:06] <membreya> Amaranth's release is SOOOOO yesterday :P
[09:06] <Amaranth> I'm going to see if the MOTU can get this in if no one has issues with it.
[09:06] <jsgotangco> no that wasnt me hehehe
[09:06] <Amaranth> membreya: This is 0.4.
[09:07] <membreya> lol calamari_ :P
[09:07] <membreya> oo oo link me baby!
[09:07] <Amaranth> read up :P
[09:07] <membreya> damn developers that release a new version every day
[09:07] <Amaranth> It doesn't actually add any new features.
[09:07] <Amaranth> It's just a polish release, something worthy of getting into universe (I hope).
[09:07] <jsgotangco> vlc was updated twicetoday lol
[09:08] <dave_> i just installed that today
[09:08] <membreya> polish? :| who the hell speaks polish
[09:08] <lizardking0353> do U know which program allow you to display the terminal in the desktop background like a gdesk display?
[09:08] <woodywarty> Type:  303880 Mar 23 13:16 access.log
[09:08] <calamari_> kate was updated to fix an editing bug, but I haven't had time to download all of kde to compile it :)
[09:08] <Amaranth> vlc-gtk makes vlc usable, btw :)
[09:08] <Amaranth> membreya: um, polish as in what you do to make things shine :P
[09:08] <membreya> oh POLISH..not polish ...gotcha :)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> ohhhhh
[09:08] <jsgotangco> its nice
[09:09] <membreya> Amaranth: develop your own icon :P
[09:09] <Amaranth> membreya: meh, i suck with inkscape and gimp
[09:09] <lizardking0353> hello
[09:09] <jsgotangco> let's make a documentation for it for yelp
[09:09] <lizardking0353> only a question!
[09:09] <Amaranth> besides, the foot is used for the menus so it makes sense that it would be used for the editor ;)
[09:09] <dave_> Is there a way to connect to the internet using gui?
[09:09] <elmaya> Amaranth, how do u run vlc-gtk?
[09:09] <membreya> trying to justify your lax action Amaranth ? :P
[09:09] <dave_> Im using a script in the terminal
[09:09] <Amaranth> elmaya: Just install it, you'll be able to tell the difference.
[09:10] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: it seems to work fine
[09:10] <membreya> nah, all respect to you ..it's a great app :)
[09:10] <Amaranth> elmaya: You'll have to reopen vlc, of course.
[09:10] <elmaya> i did but when i type vlc-gtk nothing works
[09:10] <jsgotangco> why not apply it for universe
[09:10] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: I'm going to, if I can get some speedy QA from you guys. :)
[09:10] <lizardking0353> dave, which kind of script?
[09:10] <Amaranth> Do you worst, try to break it.
[09:10] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:10] <dave_> a basic script
[09:10] <Amaranth> err, your
[09:11] <jsgotangco> ill try to do a docbook for it later
[09:11] <Amaranth> Don't delete any files, that's cheating. :D
[09:11] <lizardking0353> can you send me yours script?
[09:11] <dave_> #!/bin/bash
[09:11] <dave_> slmodemd --country=7e /dev/slamr0 &
[09:11] <dave_> wvdial &
[09:11] <lizardking0353> please
[09:11] <calamari_> dave: I use gnome's modemlights taskbar application
[09:11] <Amaranth> lizardking0353: GNOME PPP?
[09:11] <jsgotangco> let me reboot x
[09:11] <elmaya> Amaranth, whats the command vlc-gtk?
[09:11] <lizardking0353> nome PPP?
[09:12] <Amaranth> elmaya: Just vlc
[09:12] <elmaya> hummm
[09:12] <Amaranth> lizardking0353: Yeah, the gnome-ppp package.
[09:12] <Amaranth> elmaya: You can't tell the difference?
[09:12] <calamari_> dave: it uses pppon / off to work, though.. so you'd need to set things up with pppconfig first
[09:12] <lizardking0353> do put the terminal on the screen?
[09:13] <dave_> k
[09:13] <topyli> Amaranth: seems to work. also, lots of progress -- i was a bit behind the times, had v0.1 :)
[09:13] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:13] <Amaranth> no more root editting!
[09:13] <topyli> yah
[09:13] <dave_> i minimize the terminal once its connected
[09:14] <lizardking0353> dave but if i put the bash code in bashrd then My terminal goes to the desktop?
[09:14] <woodywarty> bob2, my problem is that my Access.log won't be created daily automatically
[09:14] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[09:14] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: make your own icon lol
[09:14] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: make me one
[09:14] <calamari_> lizardking0353: umm, I think he's talking about getting online, maybe not about your problem.. but I could be mistaken :)
[09:14] <membreya> jsgotangco: already gave him that feedback :)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> im bad at it ill just make you a docbook
[09:14] <dave_> ?
[09:15] <lizardking0353> Amaranth how can I configure GNOMEPPP TO DO THAT?
[09:15] <topyli> jsgotangco: actually Amaranth has a point when he says the foot _is_ what's on the menu itself
[09:15] <membreya> i hate seeing icons reused.it's so passe :P
[09:15] <woodywarty> How can I get my Squid's access.log to be update daily
[09:15] <Amaranth> lizardking0353: err, i thought you wanted a gui app to connect to the internet
[09:15] <lizardking0353>  no no
[09:15] <lizardking0353> i want terminal permanently on the desktop like a gdesk app
[09:16] <membreya> Amaranth: he wants his terminal embedded on his desktop ..AFAIK it cant be done
[09:16] <Amaranth> oh
[09:16] <Amaranth> dave_: gnome-ppp :P
[09:16] <dave_> i want a gui app to connect to the internet
[09:16] <dave_> k
[09:16] <lizardking0353> :P
[09:16] <Amaranth> lizardking0353: you can get a one liner in your panel that doesn't give feedback
[09:17] <lizardking0353> mini commander?
[09:17] <Amaranth> i think that's it
[09:17] <woodywarty> bob2,
[09:17] <lizardking0353> because I have seen in some screeen shot I think the terminal in the deskop
[09:17] <topyli> lizardking0353: do alt-f2. there's your terminal, embedded on the desktop :)
[09:17] <woodywarty> bob2 ?
[09:17] <lizardking0353> eheh
[09:17] <lizardking0353> :d
[09:17] <membreya> lol topyli :P
[09:18] <johns^> lizardking0353: it's probably a terminal without borders & menubar?
[09:18] <topyli> you may lose some icons and stuff though
[09:18] <lizardking0353> yes
[09:18] <woodywarty> membreya, syn-ack
[09:18] <johns^> on a gnome desktop?
[09:18] <Amaranth> that isn't embedded
[09:18] <Amaranth> that's just chromeless
[09:18] <jsgotangco> perfect
[09:18] <Amaranth> i think eterm can do that
[09:18] <lizardking0353> boh i don't remember which DESK
[09:18] <woodywarty> Amaranth, can you help me out with Squid
[09:19] <lizardking0353> eterm so I apt get install it !
[09:19] <woodywarty> bob2 , syn-ack
[09:19] <Amaranth> woodywarty: Never used it.
[09:19] <bob2> woodywarty: stop it
[09:19] <lizardking0353> the configure that
[09:19] <lizardking0353> ok
[09:19] <bob2> woodywarty: it will be created when something write to it
[09:19] <bob2> if it's not, it's a bug
[09:19] <lizardking0353> thanks you to ALL :D
[09:19] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: what's perfect?
[09:19] <woodywarty> -rw-r--r--    1 squid     6218214 Mar 22 04:01 access.log.2.gz
[09:19] <membreya> bob2: either that or his squid / browser configs are wrong :P
[09:19] <DemisM> I was wondering, when I log out my screen blacks out any reason why this happens I'm using ati?
[09:19] <woodywarty> Is the ownership right
[09:20] <Amaranth> DemisM: It's just X restarting.
[09:20] <Amaranth> DemisM: It comes back, right?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: the editor is just perfect at the moment does what it needs to do
[09:20] <DemisM> no
[09:20] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:20] <elmaya> Amaranth, oh..now i see the diff
[09:21] <topyli> Amaranth: yeah, you fixed gnome single-handedly :)
[09:21] <bob2> woodywarty: don't touch the permissiions or ownership
[09:21] <DemisM> let me try it again
[09:21] <Amaranth> elmaya: I guess it sticks out more for me, I use Clearlooks-Indubstrial
[09:21] <elmaya> vlc rocks
[09:21] <Amaranth> topyli, jsgotangco: Thanks. :)
[09:21] <woodywarty> I don't understand this Group ID consisting of numbers
[09:22] <negativecreep> hi all
[09:22] <negativecreep> /usr/bin/dirsplit : permission denied
[09:22] <Amaranth> I'll let a few more random people attempt to break it.
[09:22] <negativecreep> this is what I get when i try to use dirsplit as root
[09:22] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: i'll make a docbook for it later so i it could have a simple manual at least
[09:23] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: I don't really think it needs one.
[09:23] <jsgotangco> oh come on im not doing anything at the moment
[09:23] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:24] <membreya> jsgotangco: write a manual for mouse cursors :P
[09:25] <puppet> bah no one more that have problems with v4l2 :( Worked fine in Debian :/
[09:26] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: Write me a Continuum clone. ;)
[09:26] <membreya> puppet: what's wrong ?
[09:27] <DemisM> ok I logout from the ubuntu desktop and it never comes back, it just blacks out, anyone ahve this problem, or has had it and fixed it, or know about it?
[09:27] <jsgotangco> wait a minute
[09:27] <jsgotangco> how come you can't delete stuff
[09:27] <puppet> membreya: v4l2
[09:27] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:27] <puppet> membreya: doesnt completley work :/
[09:27] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: What can't you delete?
[09:27] <membreya> puppet: elaborate
[09:27] <puppet> membreya: i had v4l supprt in debian, but when i installed ubuntu there just is v4l2
[09:27] <jsgotangco> i want to delete some entries
[09:27] <puppet> membreya: and the v4l2 > v4l1 support aint that good
[09:27] <puppet> membreya: so it kinda suck :/
[09:27] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: I need more details.
[09:28] <membreya> puppet: what exactly is "not working" with v4l2?
[09:28] <puppet> membreya: the webcam
[09:28] <puppet> membreya: i have tried latest snapshot of pwc
[09:28] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: how can you delete entries in the editor say i want to delete vlc or move it elsewhere
[09:28] <woodywarty> bo2, last question. If my access.log becomes 0 KB and does not increase in size, what should I do ?
[09:28] <puppet> membreya: that is supposed to support v4l2
[09:28] <membreya> oh, i only have a logitech quickcam express..
[09:28] <membreya> and i haven't bothered getting it work properly
[09:28] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: err, double click on the entry and click the delete button
[09:29] <membreya> Amaranth: damn you, make it a single click interface
[09:29] <Amaranth> membreya: Real users always double click. ALWAYS
[09:29] <jsgotangco> well now you need a manual
[09:29] <jsgotangco> :D
[09:29] <Amaranth> ;P
[09:29] <puppet> cat: /tmp/tmpfile: No such file or directory
[09:29] <membreya> jsgotangco: you just want you name in the credit :P
[09:29] <puppet> bah oops ;p
[09:29] <jsgotangco> bah fine
[09:29] <puppet> wrong server haha
[09:30] <jsgotangco> im not doing anything then
[09:30] <puppet> Mar 23 01:57:43 localhost kernel: pwc Frame buffer underflow (1130 bytes); discarded.
[09:30] <membreya> im sure that upsets Amaranth :P
[09:30] <puppet> it gets like that membreya
[09:30] <Amaranth> Seriously, users that don't double click everything are usually the ones that will be able to figure out that you need to double click some things. :P
[09:30] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: You can write one, I can't guarantee I'll use it.
[09:30] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: I know I'll need one later on though.
[09:30] <Insom> hi all
[09:30] <woodywarty> ast question. If my access.log becomes 0 KB and does not increase in size, what should I do ?
[09:31] <jsgotangco> its ok i'll just pass
[09:31] <Insom> how can i find out witch version of samba i am using in console?
[09:31] <jsgotangco> ill just clean up the wiki
[09:32] <Amaranth> Yeah, a nice wiki entry would be cool.
[09:32] <jsgotangco> no i mean clean up the wiki like i always do
[09:32] <jsgotangco> :D
[09:33] <woodywarty> last question. If my Squid's access.log becomes 0 KB after being rotated tomorrow, what should I do ?
[09:33] <DemisM> is there a way I can uninstall evolution and other programs with having to uninstall some other programs like ubuntu-desktop
[09:33] <jsgotangco> i believe ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[09:33] <jsgotangco> it just points to actual packages
[09:35] <Insom> anyone? what do i type in console to find out wtich version of samba i have on my ubuntu sisthem?
[09:35] <odie5533> Any C coders here?
[09:36] <DemisM> when I do a system log out, my screen never returns, it just blacks out. would this be an ati fglrx driver problem, cause it worked when I had the ati instead of fglrx driver...
[09:37] <dave_> go to the samba config file?
[09:38] <topyli> Insom: apt-cache show samba
[09:38] <Insom> tnx topyli
[09:38] <tyreth> Hi, ubuntu seems to only have libboost packages of version 1.31.0 but I need 1.32.0.  I know debian testing has the newer version - will it be bad for me to use those?  how can I get and install them using apt-get?
[09:39] <puppet> i dont like v4l2 :'(
[09:39] <puppet> is it so hard to just get back v4l in gnomemeeting :/
[09:40] <Insom> topyli: does that work for all other packages
[09:41] <virtuald> puppet: mew
[09:41] <java-jones> hello help with installing linux on laptop without cdrom
[09:41] <java-jones> can anyone pls help
[09:41] <topyli> Insom: any package, yes
[09:41] <java-jones> i have a ibm thinkpad
[09:41] <puppet> virtuald: help me bitch :(
[09:41] <virtuald> puppet: sed -i s/v4l2/v4l/g /usr/bin/gnomemeeting :D
[09:41] <crimsun> java-jones: got a network connection?
[09:42] <java-jones> its got a cdrom but its not working
[09:42] <puppet> virtuald: lol
[09:42] <puppet> virtuald: hahhahaha
[09:42] <java-jones> yeah its got a usb lan
[09:42] <virtuald> i don't use it
[09:42] <Insom> if u dont have broad band u should give it up java-jones
[09:42] <Smeven> my comp keeps doing weird things
[09:42] <puppet> virtuald: use it and fix it! ;P
[09:42] <crimsun> java-jones: please try the netboot option, then. Search http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/
[09:42] <virtuald> :P
[09:42] <Smeven> the eth0 just keeps losing its ip and dropping off the net
[09:42] <puppet> virtuald: i know where u live!
[09:42] <java-jones> but i can install via NFS
[09:42] <puppet> virtuald: almost not ;p
[09:42] <Smeven> and dmesg doesnt say a thing about it
[09:43] <java-jones> the thing is i created bootdisk from RHEL 3
[09:43] <java-jones> but when i try booting from floppy its gives error msg "boot failed"
[09:43] <virtuald> puppet: i moved in december, did you know that too? :P
[09:43] <java-jones> the same disk is working on other desktop pcs
[09:43] <puppet> virtuald: no ;p
[09:43] <DemisM> are the packages in the universe and multiverse repositories safe to install (i.e. wont break the system)?
[09:43] <puppet> virtuald: didnt know that
[09:43] <puppet> virtuald: moved where?
[09:44] <crimsun> java-jones: try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Netboot%20InstallHowto
[09:44] <virtuald> puppet: bellevuegrden
[09:45] <odie5533> Is there a way to mount a bin file as a cd?
[09:45] <VladDrac> can't say the sarge->hoary migration is as easy as the docs promised :(
[09:46] <DemisM> what does the following command do? echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[09:46] <crimsun> VladDrac: that's because sarge is not in the same state as it was when the docs were written ;)
[09:46] <VladDrac> odie: if it's .bin/.cue, get an iso out of it first (bchunk), then do a loopback mount
[09:46] <crimsun> DemisM: it adds fglrx to the list of modules that are automatically loaded during boot
[09:46] <topyli> DemisM: yes, they are built for ubuntu and should work
[09:47] <topyli> DemisM: looks like it will add fglrx to the end of /etc/modules :)
[09:48] <dave_> anyone know how to install .deb packages that are on my comp?
[09:48] <syn-ack> dave_: man dpkg
[09:48] <dave_> cool
[09:49] <syn-ack> dave_: its one of the better manpages out there
[09:49] <syn-ack> dave_: you may want to man 8 apt-get as well
[09:49] <DemisM> the resolution program doesn't work The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available. How can I view my current resolution and or change it?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> DemisM: most of universe is simply stuff from debian just rebuilt
[09:51] <VladDrac>   ? Attempt to autodetect video hardware?                                    ?
[09:51] <VladDrac> here we go again!
[09:52] <Insom> what do i have to install in order to watch divx movies and listen to mp3s?
[09:52] <jsgotangco> youll need codecs
[09:53] <Insom> i know but witch ones?
[09:53] <DemisM> or from where?
[09:53] <Insom> where do i get them?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> its not in the ubuntu repositories but elsewhere
[09:53] <jsgotangco> hold on
[09:53] <Insom> k
[09:53] <Burgundavia> Insom: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:54] <jsgotangco> there
[09:54] <jsgotangco> he beat me to it
[09:54] <Burgundavia> oh
[09:54] <Burgundavia> wiki is down right now
[09:54] <jsgotangco> its borked
[09:54] <Burgundavia> elmo is borking it right now
[09:54] <Burgundavia> Insom: quick run through
[09:55] <jsgotangco> you can try the marillat repositories
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Insom: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Insom: add that using synaptic
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Insom: then seek out w32codecs
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Insom: that will get you the codecs
[09:55] <sabmoc> borkdy borkdy bork bork bork!!
[09:55] <sabmoc> bork
[09:56] <topyli> then burn them!
[09:56] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: how dare you say that about my father
[09:56] <sabmoc> Im sorry
[09:56] <sabmoc> but someone had to say it
[09:56] <odie5533> How do I mount a bin file?
[09:56] <topyli> Burgundavia: don't shoot the messenger dude
[09:57] <sabmoc> odie5533, mount a bin?
[09:57] <odie5533> yes
[09:57] <odie5533> bin/cue
[09:58] <woodywarty> Does somebody know what  /etc/logrotate.d/squid  file do ?
[10:00] <alavista> woodywarty: will rotate the squid log files
[10:01] <woodywarty> Is the line:       squid -k reconfigure
[10:01] <woodywarty> fine
[10:02] <woodywarty> Or    squid -k rotate
[10:03] <gruad> is it possible to re-run hardware detection on an already installed system
[10:04] <KarlosII> good question
[10:10] <Adross> i put forward the motion of changing the topic title to a hyerlink of 'RTFM' linking to google
[10:15] <DemisM> when I try launcching totem movie player I get a resource busy or not available anybody know why or how to fix it?
[10:16] <Adross> i get that too
[10:16] <Adross> i can semi-fix it
[10:16] <Adross> that is, use vlc
[10:16] <DemisM> lol
[10:16] <Adross> can play anything, with or without codecs
[10:16] <DemisM> i can fix it, use xine
[10:16] <Adross> meh, i still recommend vlc
[10:17] <Adross> itunes on crack
[10:17] <Quinn_Storm> ahem...while it doesn't play video, I will have to disagree, and say that amaroK is itunes on crack...vlc is just...good
[10:17] <jsgotangco> vlc is very good
[10:18] <jsgotangco> i really like amarok but i dont like the idea of downloading a lot of kde components just to run it
[10:20] <mischa> question to anyone: i upgraded from warty to hoary on my del laptop. when i start x (xorg). it takes ages (5 min) for my gnome panel to come up and if i start any app it pops up with nothing inside and after 3 mins or so the inside of the app appears.....im clules about what is happening...
[10:20] <Quinn_Storm> jsgotangco: well I run kde so...:-P  however I know what you mean.  I don't care as much as I'm on a nice broadband and have plenty of HD space, but if one or both of those aren't true, it can be a real pain if you prefer the other de
[10:20] <jsgotangco> true
[10:20] <Quinn_Storm> mischa: how much ram, what proc speed?
[10:20] <mischa> 512 ram
[10:21] <Quinn_Storm> mischa: ouch...you -should- be fine with that kind of ram...anyone have an idea?
[10:21] <mischa> its an inspiro dell
[10:21] <jsgotangco> it should be fast actually
[10:21] <Quinn_Storm> yeah it should be plenty fast...(I also have 512mb ram on this box and pretty much never touch swap unless I have like 20 ffox tabs open or something)
[10:21] <mischa> i know... the machine is not busy either
[10:22] <mischa> it's just wiating....
[10:22] <VladDrac> crap
[10:22] <VladDrac> sarge->hoary == total failure
[10:22] <jsgotangco> my laptop only has 256MB Ram but its fast
[10:22] <Quinn_Storm> VladDrac: yeah...its a much better idea to just go with an ubuntu fresh install, they use patched versions of a lot of stuff
[10:22] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:22] <jsgotangco> it will crash
[10:23] <jsgotangco> ubuntu has a lot of meta packages as well
[10:23] <VladDrac> quinn: that's not really what people told me yesterday when I asked about the sarge->hoary upgrade (or downgrade as it turns out) :(
[10:23] <Quinn_Storm> btw I just blew away my debian partition and gave ubuntu a bigger bit of space (5gb -> 20gb), its quite amazing how quickly reiserfs can copy a whole 3gb-worth of filesystem
[10:23] <mischa> well....i think the fastest sissy solution will be to reinstall with a hoary install :(
[10:24] <Quinn_Storm> mischa: unless you have a lot of stuff you can't back up, yeah, reinstall is the best idea I think
[10:24] <Adross> resierfs is great for many small files
[10:24] <mischa> yep, it's a clean lappie
[10:24] <Adross> i still prefer ext3 though
[10:24] <Adross> at least, right now
[10:24] <VladDrac> Site error
[10:24] <VladDrac> This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
[10:24] <VladDrac> Error Type
[10:24] <VladDrac>     Fault
[10:24] <VladDrac> great
[10:25] <Quinn_Storm> Adross: so far reiser (3.6, haven't tried 4) has been nice and fast, and taken far less space then ext3
[10:25] <VladDrac> everything's broken today
[10:25] <Quinn_Storm> VladDrac: lol
[10:25] <mischa> it's the laptop of my girlfriend. i want to use it for support at knight :)
[10:25] <mischa> -K
[10:25] <Quinn_Storm> mischa: fortunately the ubuntu install is nice and smooth...and might I reccomend checking out kubuntu too (of course I'd say that given I'm a kde person)
[10:25] <VladDrac> (and I'm really glad I didn't "upgrade" my office desktop yesterday)
[10:26] <Quinn_Storm> mischa: if you like kde, and just use the regular ubuntu install, install kubuntu-desktop to get kde/kubuntu
[10:26] <DemisM> what program do you guys recommend for mp3 playback?
[10:26] <P3L|C4N0> XMMS
[10:27] <topyli> DemisM: mp3 is not the issue, it's what sort of players you like
[10:27] <Wildthing> xmms is like winamp
[10:27] <DemisM> i liked winamp
[10:27] <mischa> Quinn_Storm: i don't really care about the interface...:) i am a terminal dude anyway :)
[10:27] <Wildthing> you play mp3s from terminal?
[10:28] <P3L|C4N0> from bash?
[10:28] <Quinn_Storm> DemisM: I prefer amaroK but I'm a kde person
[10:28] <mischa> mpg123
[10:28] <Wildthing> heh some things i need a gui for
[10:28] <Quinn_Storm> mischa: you mean mpg321 :-P
[10:28] <Wildthing> irc is one of em...
[10:28] <Quinn_Storm> Wildthing: while I'm not a console person, irssi is quite nice for irc
[10:28] <mischa> Quinn_Strom: :)
[10:28] <DemisM> do any of the mozilla plugins work for firefox?
[10:28] <Wildthing> so i hear...
[10:29] <Wildthing> coming from mIRC, xchat is easier though
[10:29] <Wildthing> it'd take me some time to learn irssi
[10:29] <paulproteus> DemisM: Like flash-nonfree?  Yes.
[10:29] <topyli> mischa: or mpd, which you can control from cli, gui, web...
[10:30] <Wildthing> how long did it take u to learn irssi Quinn_Storm ?
[10:30] <topyli> irssi can be learned in about 10 minutes
[10:31] <Wildthing> and get it all configured?
[10:31] <Quinn_Storm> Wildthing: it was pretty much right away, irssi is very simple, assuming you're used to using /join and such
[10:31] <DemisM> is irssi only terminal based?
[10:31] <Quinn_Storm> DemisM: yeah, use xchat, konversation, etc. for X11-irc
[10:31] <Wildthing> yeah im used to /join and /part
[10:31] <topyli> Wildthing: well, you'll start changing the default configuration only after using it for a while
[10:31] <Wildthing> but i go on multiple servers/multiple channels, like browsing user names, etc.
[10:32] <topyli> Wildthing: it has windowing for that
[10:32] <Wildthing> what about dcc transfers/chats?
[10:32] <topyli> sure
[10:33] <topyli> hmm. not sure about file transfers. should work though
[10:33] <Wildthing> mmm
[10:33] <Wildthing> i'll give it a try sometime
[10:33] <Wildthing> not tonight though
[10:33] <Wildthing> for tonight, xchat shall remain in use
[10:33] <DemisM> irssi is like ircII only prettier
[10:33] <dwa_> irssi rules
[10:33] <dwa_> it's also great if you're on different pc's all the time
[10:33] <Wildthing> how so?
[10:33] <dwa_> you can run it on one machine and pick it up from all the others
[10:34] <topyli> Wildthing: basically, you need irssi when you ssh to your home box and have no gui. locally, you can use whatever
[10:34] <Quinn_Storm> irssi is great for when you're installing a new distro and X doesn't work :-P
[10:34] <dwa_> hehe true :)
[10:34] <dwa_> Quinn_Storm : or when you're installing gentoo
[10:34] <topyli> yeah
[10:34] <Quinn_Storm> dwa_: I tend to try not to do things that silly
[10:34] <dwa_> that's not silly, only a bit time consuming :)
[10:34] <Insom> chatzilla?
[10:35] <Quinn_Storm> dwa_: lol, I prefer (k)ubuntu by far
[10:35] <Wildthing> i don't think i'll ever ssh to my home box
[10:35] <Wildthing> i don't have sshd up
[10:35] <topyli> Insom: well, i've seen that working too
[10:35] <Insom> well im useing it and i like it
[10:35] <topyli> Wildthing: then it's pretty sure you won't ssh in :)
[10:35] <Insom> it works fine for me
[10:35] <Quinn_Storm> chatzilla is too slow as far as I am concerned...all of xul seems to be
[10:35] <Wildthing> wait...
[10:35] <Wildthing> you can ssh and use IRC via ur home box?
[10:36] <dwa_> yes
[10:36] <Wildthing> serious?
[10:36] <dwa_> you don't have to use ssh
[10:36] <Wildthing> that's freaking awesome
[10:36] <topyli> sure
[10:36] <dwa_> irssi as something build in for that
[10:36] <topyli> Wildthing: i never carry laptops around, they're silly. i find a box (any box) and connect to my home box
[10:36] <Wildthing> heh i like my laptop
[10:36] <dwa_> http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c10
[10:37] <Wildthing> lab computer keyboards are icky
[10:37] <topyli> Wildthing: for emergencies, i have putty on my phone :)
[10:37] <dwa_> check that
[10:37] <Wildthing> ROFL
[10:37] <Wildthing> putty on the phone....now THAT is hardcore
[10:38] <topyli> Wildthing: i have nethack too :)
[10:38] <Wildthing> not familiar with it
[10:38] <dwa_> not quite usable i guess :)
[10:38] <dwa_> and that coming from the guy who's complaining about laptop keyboards ;)
[10:38] <Wildthing> you can seriously ssh and use irssi like that?
[10:38] <topyli> dwa_: it's ok. i have an old nokia communicator with a 80x25 screen and a full keyboard
[10:39] <dwa_> Wildthing : yes
[10:39] <Wildthing> would ssh handle windowing of the terminal n stuff that u have setup in irssi?
[10:39] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: btw, on that phone, how laggy is the ssh connection?
[10:39] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: it's painful :)
[10:39] <sabmoc> Quinn_Storm, hey
[10:40] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: I guessed as much, lol
[10:40] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: the commie has a modem speed of about 1K
[10:41] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: heh, its really latency thats the big issue, IIRC, GSM/GPRS/etc tend to have very high latency (just a guess but I bet it can be as high as 1 or 2 seconds)
[10:41] <garrut> what do i have to restart to change my hostname?
[10:41] <Wildthing> lol i can imagine trying to type in all the commands on a touchtone phone...
[10:41] <Kamion> Wildthing: irssi windowing works fine over ssh
[10:41] <Wildthing> wow
[10:41] <Wildthing> maybe i'll set something like that up
[10:41] <Kamakazie> so does centericq
[10:41] <Wildthing> do you just login as your root user? or do you setup an account just for ssh?
[10:42] <Quinn_Storm> Wildthing: you can log in as any user you want
[10:42] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: connection speed: 9600
[10:42] <Kamakazie> you can slog in as any user
[10:42] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: yeah, though like I said its the latency thats the big issue
[10:42] <Wildthing> mmm
[10:42] <Wildthing> dang
[10:42] <Wildthing> i did not know you could do that
[10:42] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: mostly, i just fetch and send email
[10:42] <Kamakazie> i wish ssh supported multiple terminal emulation :(
[10:43] <Kamion> Kamakazie: what do you mean?
[10:43] <topyli> Kamakazie: use screen
[10:43] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: if I had it (and a decent data plan) I'd look into writing IM clients for it and stuff
[10:43] <DemisM> can I connect to my box from another computer, but with windows' remote connection program?
[10:43] <Wildthing> anything else i should know you can do w/ linux/irc/etc. ?
[10:43] <Kamakazie> i dont wanna use screen its easier to press ctr alt Fx
[10:43] <Quinn_Storm> DemisM: no, there's no rdp server for linux.  however there is a nice rdp client (rdesktop)
[10:44] <Quinn_Storm> DemisM: I know this b/c it was a very recent story on /.
[10:44] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: i've tried ssh/irssi and i don't think it was that bad. the screen refresh was a bigger problem when text scrolls on a full screen
[10:44] <garrut> does anyone what i have to restart to change my hostname?
[10:44] <Kamakazie>    /.\
[10:44] <Kamion> Kamakazie: as my fiancee says, "use screen and you'll go to heaven"
[10:44] <Kamakazie>    /.    does not know all
[10:45] <DemisM> do any of you know why I can't log out without my computer locking up?
[10:45] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: interesting
[10:45] <garrut> DemisM: i've had that since i enabled xcomposite
[10:45] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: there's a lot of software for this phone. even vim and nethack :)
[10:46] <randy> you can Control+Alt+F1
[10:46] <DemisM> that doesn't work
[10:46] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: doom too, but it didn't work form me
[10:46] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: cool
[10:46] <randy> i have to do that all the time b/c gnome never wants to finish logging out
[10:47] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: but it's off topic. look here: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/phones/9210/
[10:47] <Quinn_Storm> DemisM: sounds like a video driver problem if it hard-locks like that
[10:48] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: cool, yeah, well back-on-topic ;)
[10:49] <randy> in the latest .iso of hoary, how do you get rid of gksudo in all the apps
[10:49] <username> in evolution, the contacts, there's an 'ldap' option. What's involved in setting this up?
[10:50] <Wildthing> is evolution > thunderbird?
[10:50] <membreya> username: establishing an ldap server?
[10:50] <username> membreya, that's right.
[10:51] <buzza> does any body have some to time to help me at all?
[10:52] <buzza> problems with sudo
[10:52] <ruffian> yea
[10:52] <ruffian> what you need?
[10:52] <ruffian> If i can help that is
[10:52] <buzza> trying to reset the sudo root password
[10:53] <buzza> doesn't seem to be happening
[10:53] <caffinated> Wildthing: that's a hard comparison because evoltion is more than just a mail client
[10:53] <Wildthing> it's more like outlook, right?
[10:53] <caffinated> kinda
[10:53] <ruffian> have you changed the root password before?
[10:53] <buzza> my command is sudo passwd root
[10:53] <buzza> no
[10:53] <ruffian> ok
[10:53] <ruffian> then when it askes for your password, enter your user password
[10:54] <ruffian> and then it would promote for a new password
[10:54] <buzza> but it seems to asking for a password, not for one to be entered on mine
[10:54] <ruffian> see if that works
[10:54] <pepsi> ?
[10:54] <pepsi> oops
[10:54] <caffinated> Wildthing: if you were to disregard all features except the mail end, i'd put them on fairly equal ground.
[10:54] <buzza> i put in the command, then it returns with "Password:"
[10:54] <Wildthing> mmm
[10:55] <Wildthing> i'll stick with it then
[10:55] <ruffian> buzza: Just put your current password
[10:55] <Wildthing> man
[10:55] <ruffian> buzza: The one you use to login to the system
[10:55] <Wildthing> so far ubuntu has been so easy to do stuff with
[10:55] <buzza> righto, give me a minute
[10:55] <ruffian> alright
[10:55] <randy> has anyone here tried the hoary 5.04 for amd64
[10:55] <Wildthing> fc3 i had to do all this crap to get my intel wireless card, and vid card working
[10:56] <DemisM> how do you guys get java
[10:56] <ruffian> randy: I have heard, its hard to get 32 bit programs working
[10:56] <DemisM> do you just get the jre from sun.java.com?
[10:56] <buzza> thanks that worked.
[10:56] <ruffian> buzza: No worries :)
[10:56] <Nermal> DemisM, http://ubuntuguide.org/#fre
[10:56] <Nermal> ffs
[10:56] <buzza> I had tried that before, but must have did it wrong
[10:56] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:56] <ruffian> Happend to me too
[10:56] <buzza> this seems to unsecure
[10:56] <randy> i've found that it's relatively easy to find replacement 64 bit packages
[10:56] <Wildthing> lol beat me to it Nermal
[10:56] <buzza> it's quite easy to chnage the password
[10:57] <randy> for all the others i just compile the source
[10:57] <catch-_> ello!!!
[10:57] <Wildthing> DemisM, if you want to use jdk, there is also a jre directory inside of jdk
[10:57] <catch-_> Am busy at work as you can see Nermal :)
[10:57] <Wildthing> so you would do something like jdk-1.5.../jre/bin
[10:57] <Wildthing> rather than the lines listed there
[10:57] <ruffian> Ok, I need some help my self
[10:57] <Nermal> buzza, howso?
[10:58] <ruffian> I cant seem to get the sound working
[10:58] <membreya> you're scaring me Nermal :P
[10:58] <Nermal> :)
[10:58] <catch-_>  Hi, I'm trying to setup webdav for subversion to authenticate
[10:58] <catch-_>           against our windows2003 AD. I already have ssh and terminal logins
[10:58] <catch-_>           working against winbind (was using it for CVS) but I can't seem to
[10:58] <catch-_>           get apache2 to authenticate against it. The logs seems to indicate
[10:58] <catch-_>           that it's not even trying. I've got auth_pam_module in httpd.conf
[10:58] <catch-_>           and was wondering if anyone had any experience or could point me in
[10:58] <catch-_>           the right direction, I've tried google without much luck
[10:58] <buzza> well, with such easy commands, couldn't anyone get inside a linux system and change the password?
[10:59] <ruffian> buzza: But first they have to login...wouldn't they?
[10:59] <Nermal> catch-_, #apache :)
[10:59] <catch-_> yeah, i copied and pasted it from another chan that i asked in, and didn't get a responce
[10:59] <insanus> any guide to learn and configure grub?
[10:59] <catch-_> #apache is empty ;)
[10:59] <Nermal> :)
[10:59] <Nermal> 167 people there atm
[10:59] <Seveas> insanus, try the grub manual :)
[10:59] <caffinated> membreya: you know, in the wrong frame of mind, that could be ... a very bad thing to say ;)
[10:59] <catch-_> sorry i checked #apache2
[10:59] <catch-_> :|
[10:59] <ruffian> The sound server is working, i Have installed the mp3 codecs...yet no sound when i am playing songs through xmms
[10:59] <membreya> lol caffinated :P
[10:59] <ruffian> Any suggestion?
[10:59] <Nermal> try not to paste that in there, join the lines up :|
[11:00] <catch-_> going to
[11:00] <Nermal> ruffian, umm. .check that xmms is using the right output plugin ?
[11:00] <Nermal> do you get sound in something like rhythmbox ?
[11:00] <ruffian> Yes i have tired all the diff output pulgins
[11:00] <ruffian> rhythmbox won't play mp3
[11:00] <Nermal> catch-_, or just do "any guides for getting apache to authenticate with PAM?"
[11:01] <topyli> ruffian: that can be cured
[11:01] <topyli> ruffian: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:01] <ruffian> topyli: Why wouldn't it work on xmms though? Which output plugins are you guyz using for XMMS?
[11:02] <ruffian> topyli: I tired doing gstreamer0.8-mad, but apt-get can't seem to find it?
[11:02] <ruffian> I read something about respostitary
[11:02] <ruffian> but nothing is greyed out
[11:02] <topyli> ruffian: it's in universe or multiverse
[11:02] <membreya> ruffian: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:03] <ruffian> membreya: Yes, i read taht
[11:03] <membreya> ruffian: read the bit that says about repos :)
[11:04] <Nermal> ruffian, yeah, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:04] <Nermal> uncomment the universe lines and add restricted and multiverse too
[11:04] <ruffian> ok
[11:07] <DemisM> if i have a directory and I want to put it inside another directory how do I do it
[11:07] <membreya> mv
[11:08] <DemisM> yes i know but ofr example i have a /directory and i want to put it in /usr/local/ so that it is then /usr/local/directory
[11:08] <DemisM> i don't just want to move the contents of /directory
[11:09] <Nermal> so don't put the end / and *
[11:09] <Nermal> ie: mv /directory /usr/local/ not mv /directory/* /usr/local/
[11:09] <membreya> sudo :P
[11:09] <Wildthing> lol
[11:09] <Nermal> *slap*
[11:09] <Wildthing> oops
[11:09] <Wildthing> =P
[11:09] <membreya> *purrr*
[11:10] <P3L|C4N0> xD
[11:11] <DemisM> is just having sudo better than having a root acct?
[11:11] <membreya> less chance of screwing up
[11:12] <ruffian> Nermal: Thank you, it's downloading and installing it now :)
[11:12] <cjpangilinan> what can you say about BEATRIX?
[11:12] <DemisM> k cool...
[11:13] <ruffian> brb
[11:13] <Wildthing> what does compsiting do?
[11:13] <topyli> cjpangilinan: very pretty
[11:13] <membreya> Wildthing: composting allows you to recycle your garden clippings into mulch
[11:13] <Wildthing> compositing
[11:13] <membreya> :P
[11:13] <Wildthing> as shown on ubuntuforums
[11:14] <cjpangilinan> what's the difference of that in ubuntu?
[11:16] <topyli> cjpangilinan: no idea. i was just kidding because of the name. looking at the home page now though
[11:19] <Nermal> ruffian, splendid
[11:19] <ruffian> The sound is still not working...I think i need to configure the sound card or something
[11:19] <ruffian> but i am not sure how to do that
[11:19] <crimsun> ruffian: which sound card?
[11:19] <ruffian> It's built into the motherboard
[11:19] <ruffian> just the onboard one
[11:20] <Nermal> ruffian, thats not helpful. lspci
[11:20] <crimsun> ruffian: please paste lsmod and lspci output onto http://pastebin.ca
[11:20] <ruffian> ok
[11:22] <ruffian> done
[11:22] <ruffian> here: http://pastebin.ca/8048
[11:23] <VladDrac> ruffian: what kind of system do you have?
[11:23] <ruffian> AMD64, Asrock k8 motherboard
[11:23] <ruffian> more info?
[11:24] <VladDrac> ah ok, not a laptop
[11:24] <crimsun> grr, my route to pastebin.ca is dead
[11:24] <ruffian> no, desktop
[11:24] <crimsun> ruffian: same info to http://pastebin.com, please?
[11:24] <ruffian> ok
[11:25] <deltaex> 84
[11:26] <ruffian> Is pastebin.com down?
[11:26] <ruffian> It doesn't seem to load
[11:26] <crimsun> ruffian: no worries, I'm using a shell to read pastebin.ca
[11:26] <ruffian> ok :)
[11:27] <crimsun> ruffian: ok, and output of amixer
[11:27] <ruffian> ok
[11:28] <ruffian> http://pastebin.ca/8049
[11:28] <ruffian> there you go
[11:31] <crimsun> ruffian: are you using line-out?
[11:31] <ruffian> crimsun: You mean the speacker connection?
[11:31] <crimsun> right, which speaker connection?
[11:32] <ruffian> Yes, it's fine. Sound is working perfect under windows
[11:32] <crimsun> ruffian: but which output?
[11:32] <crimsun> ruffian: spdif or analog line-out?
[11:32] <ruffian> crimsun: i don't understand what that means? Is there anyway i can check?
[11:33] <DemisM> is there a nice way of fixing the icons on the desktop and freezing them?
[11:33] <crimsun> ruffian: are you using the digital surround output or the analog speaker output?
[11:33] <ruffian> crimsun: I am quite sure it's analog
[11:33] <crimsun> DemisM: secondary-click, choose "Clean Up by Name", and select "Keep Aligned" ?
[11:34] <deltaex> german channel?
[11:34] <DemisM> crimsun, I mean to an order I give them
[11:34] <crimsun> ruffian: ok.  Have you tried playing a .wav file?  aplay -Dplughw:0,0 some.wav
[11:34] <admin0> what is the diff between ubuntu and kubuntu ?  gnome vs kde ?
[11:34] <ruffian> crimsun: I will give that ago
[11:35] <crimsun> admin0: ubuntu and kubuntu are two distros that use the same base, but yes, their desktops are gnome and kde, respectively.
[11:35] <admin0> :)
[11:35] <admin0> thanks crimsun
[11:36] <crimsun> np
[11:36] <admin0> i am using ubuntu now
[11:36] <admin0> and use it @home and office
[11:37] <mlambie> how can i manage my password with gnome-keyring?
[11:37] <membreya> hmm with a 200gb harddrive, how would you split it for a normal user? (i want seperate partitions for each normal directory)
[11:37] <johns^> why/
[11:37] <johns^> ?
[11:37] <maddler> morning all
[11:37] <ruffian> crimsun: Nope it won't play .wav files either. I have also tired System -> Preference -> Sound -> Sound Events and play
[11:38] <topyli> deltaex: #ubuntu-de should be there
[11:38] <crimsun> ruffian: what do you mean by "won't play"?
[11:38] <crimsun> ruffian: does aplay hang?
[11:38] <admin0> membreya,  / - 8gb, /usr - 16gb /var - 4gb  swap -- 2gb  rest /home :)
[11:38] <crimsun> ruffian: does it appear to play but gives no sound?
[11:38] <ruffian> crimsun: Sorry. I am no sound
[11:38] <membreya> ta admin0 :)
[11:38] <admin0> if server, set /var to 8 or 16gb depending on what u use it for
[11:38] <ruffian> yes
[11:38] <admin0> if you don't want too much space on /home, u can divide that to /usr/local etc
[11:38] <crimsun> ruffian: is this with hoary?
[11:38] <ruffian> crimsun: It appears to play, but no sound
[11:38] <membreya> admin0: just a normal desktop.. I will give about 1 - 1.5gb for squid
[11:38] <ruffian> crimsun: Yes. Ubuntu 5.04
[11:39] <crimsun> ruffian: let me check something.
[11:39] <ruffian> crimsun: sure
[11:39] <admin0> give more for squid :)
[11:39] <membreya> more? :| really?
[11:40] <admin0> cache everything, meaning all the binaries and etc and run in offline mode.
[11:40] <admin0> gives you an ultra fast squid
[11:40] <admin0> well, make your var 16 gb then :)
[11:41] <membreya> admin0: or just turn logging off :P
[11:41] <admin0> so that it has squid, qmail, jabber etc etc that you might want to play with
[11:41] <membreya> admin0: not quite ready to play with mail servers :P
[11:41] <admin0> games ?
[11:41] <membreya> admin0: don't play them :)
[11:42] <membreya> especially since I can only get 400-500fps in glxgears :|
[11:42] <admin0> hmm.. then don't use all the disk, and perhaps dual-boot to windows etc
[11:42] <membreya> well I play crack-attack :P
[11:42] <membreya> admin0: I currently have 40gb of music vids.. I "collect" downloads :P
[11:42] <admin0> :)
[11:43] <crimsun> ruffian: I think you need a newer version of ALSA
[11:43] <admin0> root/ - 8gb, swap - 2gb ,  /usr - 16gb  /var - 8 gb  /home rest of the space
[11:43] <admin0> on /home, make   /home/squid to host squid, and /home/vids or whatever you want for your vids
[11:43] <crimsun> ruffian: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:43] <ruffian> crimsun: ok
[11:43] <admin0> in that way, you are not running out of space :)
[11:44] <ruffian> guest@bdzone:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:44] <ruffian> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[11:44] <ruffian>                      SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xe000, irq 18
[11:44] <admin0> i have a dual boot system, ubuntu for everything, xp for games, macromedia, phtoshop and others that i can't do on ubuntu
[11:44] <membreya> sounds good to me, thanks admin0 :)
[11:44] <admin0> tried wine+macromedia, but did not worked too good.. trying to get crossover
[11:44] <maccorin> i just upgraded to hoary, gotta give you devs credit, it's quite an improvement
[11:44] <crimsun> ruffian: yup.
[11:44] <crimsun> ruffian: hmm.
[11:44] <maccorin> so... ty
[11:44] <maccorin> ;)
[11:45] <ruffian> crimsun: So how do i update ALSA?
[11:45] <admin0> if you go on the server side,  add /usr/local, /tmp  and /boot ..    rest remains the same
[11:45] <deltaex> german channel?
[11:45] <admin0> what are good games that I can play in ubuntu ?
[11:45] <membreya> admin0: crack-attack ..barrage..supertux :)
[11:45] <crimsun> ruffian: hmm, first you'll have to patch alsa-source
[11:45] <membreya> oh and frozen-bubble :)
[11:45] <crimsun> ruffian: let's see...
[11:45] <admin0> url's ?
[11:46] <membreya> admin0: apt-get :)
[11:46] <dvsdude> admin0 ut2004 enemy territory armagetron quake
[11:46] <ondar> hello, i have one problem with k3b, i can't burn cdaudio, i think i tis becuase i havn't got a neccesary dep. somebody could tell me the package name?
[11:46] <admin0> no mummy-maze ;) ?
[11:46] <ruffian> crimsun: ok. Is there any tutorial somewhere that you know of?
[11:46] <crimsun> ruffian: make sure you have universe repo enabled, then: sudo aptitude install fakeroot build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[11:46] <ruffian> crimsun: ok. give me a sec
[11:47] <admin0> hi, i got a dvd/cdrw combo here.. how do I play my dvd's ?
[11:47] <admin0> totem ?
[11:47] <membreya> dvsdude: where can I get quake? :D
[11:47] <membreya> wait..it's open source now
[11:47] <membreya> compile it myself :)
[11:48] <ruffian> crimsun: Its downloading, something things now :)
[11:48] <ondar> somebody could help me with k3b?
[11:48] <dvsdude> sorry not os but linux version is there gnu/linux is free as in freedom not free beer
[11:50] <ruffian> crimsun: Installation done. What do i do now?
[11:50] <admin0> dvsdude, i think i played fps too much .. right now, i am playing farcry and prince: sands of time , and ut2004 on windows..   for linux, are there good games that are not fps ?
[11:50] <jsgotangco> bye bye god bless
[11:50] <crimsun> ruffian: I need to generate a patched tarball for you; give me about 10 minutes, please
[11:50] <admin0> casino games, board games, startegies etc ?
[11:50] <ruffian> crimsun: Sure. Btw are you one of ubuntu developers?
[11:50] <crimsun> ruffian: in the meantime, sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[11:50] <gilles> hi
[11:51] <Snelda> Hello.
[11:51] <crimsun> ruffian: say "no" to PnP, "yes" to debug code, and choose the intel8x0 driver
[11:51] <dvsdude> admin0 planeshift
[11:51] <crimsun> ruffian: (no, I'm not, but I'm one of the universe maintainers)
[11:52] <admin0> hey btw, is there a way i can sync the clieNX70 pda with ubuntu ?
[11:52] <topyli> crimsun: does your business card say "master of the universe"? mine would :)
[11:52] <membreya> admin0: use ogle to watch DVDs :)
[11:52] <crimsun> topyli: hehe
[11:52] <gilles> the wifi doesn't work on an ASUS Z8GP30 with my integrated wifi card, but works with a pccard, also there a "push" button to activate the wifi on the laptop, i think it doesn't work because it's not activated by default. What can I do ?
[11:52] <ruffian> crimsun: do i unselect all?
[11:53] <crimsun> ruffian: select only intel8x0  (_not_ intel8x0m)
[11:53] <ruffian> yes i did that
[11:53] <ruffian> but do i unselect all? becuase by default it's selected
[11:53] <crimsun> ruffian: yes, unselect all but intel8x0
[11:53] <Snelda> Hey everyone, I've never used ubuntu and am downloading now.  Does it use the same installer as debian?
[11:54] <crimsun> Snelda: it uses a modified version of the Sarge installer
[11:54] <membreya> admin0: looking up ogle yet? :P
[11:54] <ruffian> crimsun: Done
[11:55] <Snelda> crimsun: I was trying ubuntu because Debian's installer hangs on my system
[11:55] <admin0> downloadinv via syn
[11:55] <crimsun> ruffian: please hold.
[11:55] <Snelda> (sorry, i didnt finish my message... wasnt done typing)
[11:55] <ruffian> Snelda: I think it's modified
[11:55] <ruffian> crimsum: Sure
[11:56] <admin0> ok..how do I install gdesklets in ubuntu ? those nice gui's that i see displayed on screenshots on fedora and other distros
[11:56] <gilles> How can I activate the wifi on an Asus laptop (i just have a push button), I mean having the wifi led on ?
[11:56] <topyli> Snelda: if you're lucky, it will play nicer with your hardware than debian-installer. or maybe not
[11:56] <Snelda> It would always hang at "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK' for about 15 or 20 minutes.  Once I get to partitioning, the same thing happens (takes about 10 minutes to get to 2 percent)
[11:59] <admin0> btw, when is the next release of ubuntu ?
[11:59] <admin0> any place where we can suggest what features we want to see ?
[12:00] <ruffian> crimsum: 14th April i think
[12:00] <ruffian> typo
[12:00] <Kamion> 6 April, and the time for new feature requests was a couple of months ago
[12:00] <topyli> admin0: i believe it's frozen
[12:00] <Kamion> there are lots of idea-pool-type pages on the wiki, though, and there's the mailing lists
[12:01] <Snelda> anyone have any suggestions by chance...  :/   I'm using an ABIT A8N-SLI Deluxe (AMD64) and 4 good SATA drives (a 74gb raptor and a few larger drives)
[12:05] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:05] <Roben> Hi. Need help with XMMS. I'm using Hoary. And everytime I try to start XMMS it crashes. This is what I get up in the terminal: libmp4v2.so.0: kan inte ppna delad objektfil: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[12:05] <Roben> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[12:05] <Roben> Anyone knows what i wrong?
[12:05] <crimsun> Roben: are you using the nvidia binary-only drivers?
[12:05] <Roben> is
[12:06] <Roben> don't know.
[12:06] <crimsun> Roben: sudo aptitude install libmikmod2
[12:06] <Roben> Iv'e got libmikmod2
[12:06] <crimsun> Roben: it's a glibc problem and is fixed already, just awaiting upload
[12:06] <crimsun> Roben: do you have libesd0, too?
[12:06] <Roben> wait a sec.
[12:06] <crimsun> ruffian: still working.
[12:07] <Roben> crimsun: yes i do.
[12:07] <ruffian> crimsun: No problem. I really appreciate you going out of your way to help me
[12:07] <Roben> crimsun: I've got the nvidia binary too.
[12:08] <crimsun> Roben: ok, then you'll have to wait for the glibc update, which should be up later this afternoon
[12:08] <Roben> thank you very much!
[12:08] <crimsun> Roben: (assuming you use hoary)
[12:08] <Roben> yes,
[12:08] <Roben> i do.
[12:09] <Roben> crimsun: thank you so much. bye!
[12:09] <gilles> How to detect special buttons of  keyboard (like this that activate the wifi, put on/off the volume...) ?
[12:10] <looksaus> hi, I have a problem with epiphany and printing
[12:11] <looksaus> I must admit this is on a Debian system
[12:11] <looksaus> but I'm trying to avoid the rudeness in #debian
[12:11] <looksaus> by coming here
[12:11] <looksaus> it's quite strange
[12:11] <looksaus> every gnome app seems to be able to print
[12:11] <looksaus> just not epiphany
[12:11] <liraz> How similar is gnopppix to ubuntu/ what someone using gnoppix be able to get support from an ubuntu user?
[12:11] <looksaus> no really useful output in /var/log
[12:12] <looksaus> I'm using cups with a jetdirect-enabled HP printer
[12:12] <crimsun> ruffian: just to check, what is the output of: dpkg -l alsa-source|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[12:13] <ruffian> crimsun: give me a sec
[12:13] <looksaus> any suggestions on where to check?
[12:13] <inetizen> how do i share files between ubuntu and xp pro on a network
[12:14] <ruffian> crimsun: guest@bdzone:~$ dpkg -l alsa-source|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[12:14] <ruffian> 1.0.8-4ubuntu3
[12:14] <inetizen> i dont see samba
[12:14] <crimsun> ruffian: ok.
[12:18] <psh1> hi guys, I've copied a load of mp3's that I'd backed up on cd's. but on my laptop, they're unreadable/playable
[12:18] <psh1> how can I change the permissions properly?
[12:18] <crimsun> ruffian: ok, I'm test-building.  Sec.
[12:19] <ruffian> crimsun: ok :)
[12:22] <DragoraN> hi
[12:22] <dcf> hi
[12:23] <DragoraN> please.. i want to compile reiser4 support into kernel, but in menuconfig i dont see reiser4 support in filesystems (2.6.11.5 kernel)
[12:24] <Kamion> reiser4 is still a third-party patch
[12:24] <crimsun> ruffian: ok, it's a fairly invasive change, and it doesn't apply cleanly to alsa-source
[12:24] <crimsun> ruffian: so it's going to take a bit more work
[12:24] <gilles> Why Hotkeys isn't integrated by default to ubuntu ?
[12:24] <ruffian> crimsun: I am up for it
[12:24] <crimsun> ruffian: uname -r
[12:25] <ruffian> crimsun: 2.6.10-5-386
[12:25] <DragoraN> Kamion: where can i find it?
[12:26] <crimsun> ruffian: unfortunately the changes are in cvs, which means they'll make it in for upstream 1.0.9, but I don't know if they'll make it into universe in time for Hoary's release.
[12:26] <Kamion> DragoraN: no idea, if you really need reiser4 I figure you should know :)
[12:27] <DragoraN> Kamion: :)
[12:27] <ruffian> crimsun: Ok. Honestly i can live without sound for few days. But in the future would i have to go through all this again?
[12:27] <psh1> nobody know how to change the permissions? I change them, then play a song, but then the song wont play again
[12:27] <ruffian> crimsun: To make sound work that is
[12:27] <crimsun> ruffian: I hope not, but then again, we haven't tested if the fix works for you.
[12:28] <crimsun> ruffian: one sec.
[12:28] <ruffian> crimsun: Sure
[12:36] <fridge> anyone know the package that provides, eg man 3 printf?
[12:37] <crimsun> fridge: sudo apt-get install manpages-dev
[12:37] <fridge> thanks champ
[12:37] <crimsun> np
[12:38] <crimsun> ruffian: ok, test-building a less invasive solution :)
[12:38] <ruffian> crimsun: Whatever that means :)
[12:38] <ruffian> crimsun: Thank you
[12:38] <woodywarty> Can someone help to figure out Qmail to make it a Virtual Mail Server for my System internal users
[12:41] <rask> how does this work
[12:41] <crimsun> rask: how do you mean?
[12:42] <rask> everything :-) mostly the rules for what can be said here, and what is this , i am obviously a newbie both to linux and this...
[12:44] <HappyPills> Does Ubuntu have a keyboard shortcut set up to switch desktops by default?
[12:45] <crimsun> you can configure one, or roll your mouse wheel over the pager
[12:46] <HappyPills> ctrl-alt-right
[12:46] <HappyPills> coolies
[12:46] <rask> is there anybody who can help me getting my usb-harddrive to work?
[12:48] <crimsun> rask: this is a general support channel, so basically the only rule is to respect the Code of Conduct (CoC).
[12:48] <crimsun> rask: I presume you've plugged in your HD and powered it on?
[12:49] <rask> of course...
[12:49] <crimsun> rask: has a disk drive icon appeared on your desktop?
[12:49] <rask> nope, but the device manager finds a store device
[12:50] <rask> storage...
[12:50] <crimsun> rask: is this a brand-new usb HD?
[12:50] <crimsun> rask: or does it already have information on it?
[12:51] <rask> its new, but not clean, a ntfs partition, and I find it when I boot from the liveCD
[12:51] <markybob> i cant log into ubuntolinux.org.  anyone else having that problem right now?
[12:51] <Myrtti> ubuntulinux.org?
[12:52] <St0n3-C0l> markybob: NOpes
[12:52] <Myrtti> works fine with me
[12:52] <deFrysk> o=u
[12:52] <crimsun> rask: ok, open a Terminal
[12:52] <markybob> yes, mistyped.
[12:52] <rask> yes
[12:52] <markybob> had a few jack and cokes.  bare with me :)
[12:52] <crimsun> markybob: maintenance work was being done on it earlier, no idea if it's ongoing.
[12:52] <markybob> crimsun, i see.  thanks for the heads up
[12:53] <lupusBE> does openldap use a lot of memory?
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> Is Hoary works Stably ?
[12:53] <crimsun> rask: ok, now you need to make a mountpoint
[12:53] <crimsun> rask: something like /media/windows
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> Does*
[12:53] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, officially no
[12:54] <rask> what is a mountpoint? and what commands?
[12:54] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, for me yes
[12:54] <St0n3-C0l> I am asking for people's experiences :P
[12:54] <Sirinus> Hmm..can anyone point me towards a how-to/tutorial on authenticating ubuntu logins against a macosx 10.3 LDAP server?
[12:54] <gholen> HI! I about to install ubuntu warty 4.10 on a acer laptop, but how do i load the module thats finds an configs my infrared device?
[12:54] <ruffian> rask: it's basicly making a directory
[12:54] <rask> thanks
[12:54] <crimsun> rask: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[12:54] <ruffian> rask: try mkdir /media/windows
[12:54] <Roben> StOn3-COl: No. I don't think it is as stable as Warty.
[12:55] <rask> done that
[12:56] <crimsun> rask: now, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /media/windows
[12:57] <St0n3-C0l> Can Warty Users get their gnome updated from Ubuntu repos ?
[12:57] <crimsun> St0n3-C0l: when they dist-upgrade to Hoary, absolutely.
[12:57] <rask> that worked!
[12:57] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, udated as in upgraded ?
[12:57] <rask> thanks a bunch...
[12:57] <crimsun> rask: np
[12:58] <St0n3-C0l> deFrysk: Only gnome :P
[12:59] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, yould be safer to do a dist-upgrade then I think
[12:59] <St0n3-C0l> I heard we can use Debian repos in Ubuntu
[12:59] <St0n3-C0l> is that true ?
[12:59] <St0n3-C0l> it will work or not ?
[01:00] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, of course you CAN, but whether you SHOULD do that.....
[01:00] <Seveas> most debain stuff is in ubuntu repos too
[01:00] <crimsun> St0n3-C0l: generally speaking, it's a bad idea to mix in external repos
[01:00] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, you can but its not supported , better to use universe and multiverse
[01:01] <St0n3-C0l> hmm
[01:01] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, are you looking for a specific app?
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> nah
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> thinking to download Hoary :P
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> I was using Debian Sarge till now
[01:02] <Seveas> you should, works like a charm :)
[01:03] <gholen> Is there support for IrDa (e.g LIRC)  in ubuntu?
[01:03] <kent> how long have the gnome 2.x releases been around?  Its been here for a long time now, right?
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> I used Warty and saw there was very old softs in their repos
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> thats why I left using it
[01:03] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, install it and let us know what you think :)
[01:03] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, and if you are an kde addict get kubuntu
[01:03] <Seveas> gholen, there is support for irda: apt-get install irda-utils
[01:04] <Seveas> modprobe irda will help too :)
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> I will give you fair comments about Ubuntu leaving their repos :P
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> nah :P
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> Gnome
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> :>
[01:04] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, my man :D
[01:04] <Seveas> gnome >> kde
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> kde >> gnome
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:04] <Seveas> (i.e.: gnome is strictly better than kde)
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> ohh
[01:05] <njan> gnome > * >> kde
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:05] <Seveas> imnsho
[01:05] <Seveas> lol njan :)
[01:05] <njan> :)
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> I thought u're saying that I was using gnome then i moved to kde
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:05] <Seveas> sometimes fluxbox >> gnome
[01:05] <Seveas> (on the universities crappy old sparcs)
[01:05] <deFrysk> candystore kde
[01:05] <deFrysk> bad for your teeth
[01:06] <mjr> Seveas, crappy old sparcs make decent X terminals ;P
[01:06] <St0n3-C0l> deFrysk: There's no firefox for Ubuntu ?
[01:06] <Seveas> mjr, definitely :)
[01:06] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, ubuntu uses firefox by def. in ubuntu
[01:06] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, firefox is the default browser for Ubuntu
[01:06] <Seveas> hey
[01:06] <Echylo> hmm
[01:06] <Seveas> that's my line :p
[01:06] <deFrysk> its part of the gnome2.10 package
[01:06] <Echylo> is grumpy gonna be a sort of media centre or not?
[01:06] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:06] <Echylo> cause when i read objectives it doesn't looks like
[01:07] <Seveas> Echylo, grumpy is gonna be the codename for a rolling unstable (that's what i heard at least)
[01:07] <deFrysk> Seveas, he asked ME danget ;p
[01:07] <Seveas> the next ubuntu will be Breezy Badger
[01:07] <mjr> Badger Badger Badger
[01:07] <Echylo> I see
[01:07] <Seveas> mushroom mushroom!
[01:07] <mjr> the one after that simply must be Slithery Snake
[01:07] <Seveas> lol
[01:08] <deFrysk> farty skunk would be a nice rel.
[01:08] <Seveas> stinku skunk
[01:08] <Seveas> stinky*
[01:09] <mjr> hmm
[01:09] <Seveas> yay!, ./configure && make finally succeeded, /me is gone :)
[01:09] <mjr> "Try the all new stinky release of Ubuntu", yes, that works
[01:09] <membreya> hmmm im really liking kubuntu :)
[01:10] <deFrysk> membreya, /j #kubuntu ;p
[01:10] <membreya> lol :P
[01:10] <moshii> where can I find kompmgr?
[01:10] <membreya> not as many people :P
[01:10] <deFrysk> membreya, wonder why ;p
[01:10] <membreya> shush :P
[01:10] <deFrysk> :x
[01:10] <membreya> only problem with it ..even running 1152x864 everything is cluttered :)
[01:11] <mjr> well, that's kde for you ;)
[01:11] <deFrysk> cluttered bloat
[01:11] <mjr> (sorry, I'll go away now :)
[01:11] <suoko> hi there
[01:11] <membreya> deFrysk: pretty bloat :)
[01:12] <deFrysk> membreya, yes
[01:12] <deFrysk> membreya, till you'v had enough
[01:12] <moshii> people that bitch kde are generally idiots
[01:12] <D-G> 0_o
[01:12] <deFrysk> moshii, yes , but smart idiots
[01:12] <D-G> hi all
[01:12] <membreya> moshii: I ain't bitchin it :P
[01:12] <suoko> I have a question about services: I tryed disabling evms through sysvconf deselecting it but at boot it loads anyway.
[01:13] <agenteo> hi, inserting this new USB key nothing happens... the older one was correctly auto-mounted... this one is not even showed in syslog and messages logs... someone has a suggestion?
[01:13] <catch-_> .whois D-G
[01:13] <catch-_> erk
[01:13] <agenteo> ubuntu warty standard kernel
[01:13] <mjr> deFrysk, or smartasses
[01:13] <moshii> deFrysk: how so? the reasons they give are mostly "it's bloated", um what about X, um every other desktop, ah shit agrument falls down there
[01:13] <woodywarty> Well I have installed Qmail, what is the first step to start it using the IP 192.168.1.100
[01:13] <deFrysk> could someone make an #ubuntu-flame channel to get rid of some energy/steam ?
[01:14] <D-G> catch  ?:)
[01:14] <ruffian> crimsun is a legend everyone :D
[01:14] <Seveas> deFrysk, just join the channel
[01:14] <crimsun> pshah
[01:14] <ruffian> bye
[01:14] <St0n3-C0l> .es belongs to ?
[01:14] <crimsun> cya
[01:14] <catch-_> sorry thought you might be someone i knew so did a whois on you
[01:14] <Seveas> spain?
[01:14] <D-G> i need help... im newbie in linux :) so.. how to know what version i have /
[01:14] <membreya> meep
[01:14] <deFrysk> uname -r
[01:14] <St0n3-C0l> uname -a
[01:15] <moshii> D-G: uname -r
[01:15] <membreya> that's a BAD button
[01:15] <crimsun> D-G: cat /etc/issue
[01:15] <D-G> tnx
[01:15] <St0n3-C0l> cat /etc/issue
[01:15] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:15] <deFrysk> and what crimsun said of course
[01:15] <St0n3-C0l> I'll make my issue :P
[01:15] <D-G> 2.6.10-4-386.... where can i get c compiler for this version ? :)
[01:15] <deFrysk> cat your issue here please
[01:16] <moshii> does anyone know if kompmgr is packaged for ubuntu? seems a bit of a waste of time hacking ubuntu's xorg onto my sid without it ;)
[01:16] <suoko> I'm trying to disable evms cause it randomly hangs at boot time...
[01:17] <membreya> moshii: kompmgr is in kubuntu
[01:17] <suoko> it's probably a bug.
[01:17] <St0n3-C0l> kubuntu is also of Ubuntu ?
[01:17] <moshii> membreya: is kubuntu similar enough to debian that it isn't going to screw stuff up?
[01:17] <deFrysk> cannonical
[01:18] <deFrysk> -n
[01:18] <membreya> moshii: it's ubuntu with KDE as its WM
[01:19] <deFrysk> kubuntu is to attract the mepis/mandrake users
[01:19] <moshii> membreya: ah, I just want the package.. It doesn't seem to be part of the semi-offical debian kde 3.4 packages or ubuntu's
[01:19] <D-G> i wrote sudo apt-get install gftp
[01:19] <D-G> but there is writin that there is no packages =[
[01:20] <catch-_> D-G check the package exists, aptitude search gftp
[01:20] <membreya> D-G: www.ubuntuguide.org check that you have all repositories enabled
[01:20] <D-G> im there
[01:20] <D-G> an im tryin thoose commands
[01:20] <D-G> becuz i installed just now ubuntu
[01:20] <D-G> :)
[01:21] <D-G> and im noob in linux =[
[01:21] <deFrysk> D-G, good for you :)
[01:21] <D-G> :)
[01:21] <moshii> membreya: that kubuntu-desktop package doesn't half depend on a lot of shit ;)
[01:21] <catch-_> D-G look in package.. It doesn't seem to be part of
[01:21] <Burgundavia> moshii: then tell the kubuntu people about it
[01:21] <catch-_> erk
[01:22] <D-G> where can i look ?
[01:22] <catch-_> look in ..
[01:22] <catch-_>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:22] <D-G> ok
[01:24] <suoko> can anybody help me?
[01:24] <suoko> better say, explain me...
[01:25] <scizzo> suoko: could you tell us what your problem is maybe?
[01:25] <gholen> suoko: the problem is?
[01:25] <deFrysk> suoko, 392 are logged in so who knows ?
[01:26] <suoko>  I'm trying to disable evms cause it randomly hangs at boot time...
[01:26] <suoko> I have a question about services: I tryed disabling evms through sysvconf deselecting it but at boot it loads anyway.
[01:26] <gholen> souko: you shold take a look in the ubuntu giude. http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:27] <markybob> suoko, update-rc.d -f evms remove ...heh
[01:27] <suoko> I also tried rcconf but there evms doen't appear
[01:28] <D-G> catch-_,
[01:28] <markybob> suoko, so do what i suggested.  man i'm drunk.
[01:28] <D-G> is there anybody who has dc++ on linux ? :)0
[01:28] <suoko> markybob: I'm going to try right now...
[01:29] <puppet> gah
[01:29] <Roben> D-G: Not at the moment but I did before. Though I never got it to work right ;)
[01:29] <puppet> why doesnt GnomeMeeting work :(
[01:29] <D-G> :)
[01:29] <D-G> i need some sharing program
[01:29] <D-G> :>
[01:29] <suoko> what about the way I tyed disabling it with sysvconf, was that worng?
[01:30] <markybob> suoko, debian and debian derivatives use update-rc.d...that's just life.
[01:31] <deFrysk> D-G, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/x11/amule
[01:31] <D-G> L(
[01:31] <D-G> ok
[01:31] <deFrysk> D-G, iow apt-get install amule if you have universe enabled
[01:31] <suoko> thanks a lot.
[01:32] <D-G> i gto this hoary new
[01:32] <D-G> :)
[01:32] <Burk> hello there
[01:32] <D-G> sorry for my grammar im from latvia
[01:32] <D-G> :)
[01:32] <markybob> where's latvia?
[01:32] <deFrysk> welkome to the E.U.
[01:32] <Burk> guys, what would you advise as development tool? anjuta or eclipse?
[01:32] <fridge> vi
[01:32] <fridge> and make
[01:32] <D-G> latvia is near the baltic sea
[01:32] <Burk> lol
[01:32] <gholen> D-G: I from sweden, an my grammar s**ks
[01:32] <D-G> :))
[01:33] <D-G> gholen cool
[01:33] <D-G> :)
[01:33] <Amaranth> Burk: I do all my stuff in gedit and gazpacho. :)
[01:33] <Burk> gazpacho...what's it?
[01:33] <markybob> i'm a sailor...traveled the world and never heard of latvia.  that's neat.
[01:33] <Roben> D_G Why don't u just get Azureus?
[01:33] <gholen> D-G: you are not alone in that matter
[01:33] <D-G> roben what is that ?
[01:33] <deFrysk> Roben, azureus is a chore for newbs
[01:33] <D-G> im noob 0-o
[01:33] <Roben> D-G A bittorrent client. Do you got java installed?
[01:34] <gholen> D-G: you think I cool?! :D
[01:34] <Seveas> deFrysk, your from Frisland, the most retarded part of holland (me now runs and hides :))
[01:34] <D-G> roben i thing so
[01:34] <Roben> DG: ok.
[01:34] <Burk> mmm...I'd like a serious ide, with templates and all the other cool features..
[01:34] <deFrysk> Seveas, you #$@& ;p
[01:34] <Roben> D-G: you could read about how bittorent works in http://www.slyck.org
[01:34] <Burk> looks like choice is between eclipse and anjuta, the first being more complicated, the second still alpha
[01:35] <D-G> tnx
[01:35] <Roben> D-G: Do you got Hoary?
[01:35] <deFrysk> Roben, for the usual filesharing for nood on ubuntu amule is easyer
[01:35] <deFrysk> nood = noob
[01:36] <deFrysk> alhough I have no clue how to run amule (never used it)
[01:36] <Roben> deFrysk: I've never ever used amule. I mean, Azureus isn't so hard.
[01:36] <D-G> roben yep
[01:36] <deFrysk> Roben, ok
[01:36] <Burk> uh..found several threads on ubuntu linux forums..I'll take a look there ;)
[01:37] <membreya> hey guys...figured out what's been crashing my PC :)
[01:37] <Roben> D-G: ok. I think there is a guide in http.//ubuntuguide.org on how to install azureus. It's easierif you read from there, because i don't remember everything.
[01:38] <Roben> D-G: then you just could go to any bittorrent site on the net, ex: http://piratebay.org or http:www.mininova.org
[01:39] <Roben> and start your'e downloading.
[01:39] <deFrysk> Roben, no spamming illegal sites here
[01:39] <HappyPills> hmm... is there anyway to make openoffice generate smaller pdf files?
[01:39] <HappyPills> a one page file should not be 220 kb
[01:40] <membreya> HappyPills: you DO know that a PDF is essentially an image?
[01:40] <Roben> D-G: but I think there is a bittorrent program installed by default in Hoary. It's lying in the meny under Internet>>gnome bittorrent.
[01:40] <Roben> deFrysk: How could they possible be illegal?
[01:40] <HappyPills> yes, but I have used other programs that makes it a much lower quality image, but still ideal for printing
[01:41] <HappyPills> say, 20-30kb instead of 200-300
[01:41] <markybob> membreya, i'd like to see you searching through an image.
[01:41] <HappyPills> pdf files can be made to do a lot of things =P
[01:42] <HappyPills> yes, that is what I am guessing at
[01:43] <mjr> (might be circumventable by using some font that pdf readers are assumed to have, but *shrug*)
[01:43] <markybob> fonts have nothing to do with pdf
[01:43] <calc> adobe acrobat itself has many options for writing pdfs including putting the fonts in the pdf itself
[01:43] <mjr> markybob, as a matter of fact, they do
[01:43] <calc> perhaps oo.o has some way to configure that as well
[01:44] <HappyPills> I'm saving it as a .doc for now (14kb) until I find the shrinkage button in OO
[01:44] <membreya> does ubuntu have nvidia-glx for 2.6.10-1 yet?
[01:46] <tomi12619> re
[01:46] <markybob> membreya, just make sure you do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx
[01:47] <tomi12619> which kind of boot tool has got the ubuntu?
[01:47] <membreya> tomi12619: grub
[01:47] <tomi12619> lilo or grub or both?
[01:47] <tomi12619> just the grub?
[01:47] <membreya> oooo, 2.6.10-5 is there :)
[01:47] <deFrysk> grub by default
[01:47] <markybob> tomi12619, you can apt-get install lilo if you seriously want to.  dont know why you would.
[01:48] <HappyPills> hmm... the help for OO mentions that it can export as a small file size for viewing/printing... however OO itself seems to be missing the option =(
[01:48] <tomi12619> i see
[01:48] <tomi12619> markybob: i have az interesting prob.
[01:48] <markybob> tomi12619, i believe you.  we all do.  i need to get laid, for instance.
[01:48] <tomi12619> i ve a 300mhz intel celeron computer with 6G winchester
[01:49] <tomi12619> i installed an uhu (hungarian) linux, a debian-sarge
[01:49] <tomi12619> and the same problem occure...
[01:49] <tomi12619> 'error 18'
[01:49] <markybob> tomi12619, not familiar with that setup. sorry
[01:51] <deFrysk> 18 is usually an architecture problem.
[01:51] <deFrysk> Try changing the Disk to "LBA" and see what happens.
[01:52] <deFrysk> cut and pasted from http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=1&threadid=303451
[01:52] <tomi12619> LBA? what is it?
[01:53] <deFrysk> a bios setting
[01:53] <deFrysk> for hdrives
[01:53] <deFrysk> read the link, perhaps it helps
[01:53] <Burk> cu guys
[01:54] <deFrysk> tomi12619,, also ask in #grub , perhaps they know what to do
[02:02] <benjanet> will beagle be included in hoary ?
[02:03] <Funraiser> found something interesting: to found torrents type all the following in google: nameofthefileyoulookfor type:torrent
[02:03] <markybob> benjanet, i'd bet not.
[02:04] <HappyPills> to restart samba do I just type smbd again?
[02:04] <benjanet> markybob, thanks :p
[02:04] <markybob> HappyPills, /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:04] <HappyPills> thanks
[02:04] <HappyPills> that makes more sense
[02:05] <Tomcat__> Can Ubuntu use a DLink USB WLAN stick?
[02:06] <tom_neo> s/Ubuntu/linux/
[02:06] <tom_neo> Tomcat_: that's in no way a ubuntu-question
[02:06] <Seveas> benjanet, no, they are trying that for Breezy (the next version)
[02:06] <markybob> Tomcat_, the easy answer is yes.
[02:07] <HappyPills> bladdy hell. I have no idea if it worked because the windows computer is farked!
[02:07] <markybob> Tomcat_, http://julian.coccia.com/article-53.html  ...try googling next time.
[02:07] <Seveas> Tomcat_, the difficult answer is: if it is going to work, you need ndiswrapper
[02:07] <Tomcat__> tom_neo: Well the question is more or less if it's easy in Ubuntu... like a package or auto-detection or something... :)
[02:07] <HappyPills> tried adding printer sharing via samba but the windows computer times out when detecting networks, even it's own =(
[02:07] <markybob> Seveas, nah.  it uses prism
[02:07] <keffo> hm, what FTP-client do you guys use?
[02:08] <markybob> Tomcat_, it's a prism chipset.  so probably.
[02:08] <Seveas> markybob, ok, than it's easy if the usb things go right :)
[02:08] <tom_neo> Tomcat_: no idea ^^
[02:08] <tom_neo> gftp
[02:08] <deFrysk> gftp and nautilus
[02:08] <markybob> Tomcat_, it should.  prism is supported natively by the kernel.  so you shouldnt have a problem
[02:09] <Tomcat__> markybob: That's it... good. I'll try. :)
[02:10] <markybob> yay.  i get a silver star!
[02:11] <benjanet> Seveas, thanks
[02:15] <libpng> buv
[02:15] <libpng> amy-Lee faLLen
[02:15] <libpng> lol
[02:15] <DragoraN> i have one serious problem.. i just now compiled new kernel (2.6.11.5) and in grubs menu.lst it needs some initrd.img with newest version.. how to make it?
[02:15] <libpng> eheh
[02:16] <markybob> DragoraN, i have no idea what you just aid.
[02:16] <markybob> DragoraN, how did you compile the kernel?
[02:16] <markybob> s/aid/said
[02:16] <DragoraN> markybob: make all; make modules_install; make install
[02:17] <DragoraN> markybob: in grubs menu.lst i need initrd file..
[02:17] <markybob> DragoraN, to compile a kernel the ubuntu way, with initrd, this is what you do:  make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
[02:17] <markybob> DragoraN, that'll create the kernel package
[02:17] <markybob> then dpkg -i the file
[02:17] <DragoraN> markybob: wtf :) ok.. thx
[02:17] <markybob> DragoraN, that'll install it and edit grub for you
[02:17] <DragoraN> markybob: cool :) thx.. and kernel_image is vmlinuz or what?
[02:17] <markybob> DragoraN, you need to download kernel-package for that to work
[02:17] <jk24> Hi
[02:18] <jk24> is there packages of mono 1.1.4 for hoary ?
[02:18] <markybob> jk24, 1.0.5
[02:18] <markybob> jk24, in universe, if i'm not mistaken.
[02:18] <jk24> markybob: that's right, but the "unstable" versions ?
[02:19] <markybob> jk24, no 1.1.4
[02:19] <HappyPills> hmm... theoretically, if I configured samba correctly than browsing my computer on the network should allow me to at least see the printer right?
[02:19] <jk24> markybob: thanks
[02:20] <maddler> hello again....
[02:20] <maddler> :)
[02:20] <HappyPills> ah. I got split
[02:20] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[02:20] <HappyPills> *hammer
[02:20] <maddler> does anyone has any clue on how to have evolution locally caching messages from an imap account?
[02:21] <maddler> I mean... I want the messages available even if I am offline...
[02:21] <DragoraN> markybob: what is parameter kernel_image ?
[02:22] <markybob> DragonFly, man make-kpkg ...builds bzimage and modules in a nice package for dpkg to install
[02:22] <DragoraN> markybob: i see, ok, thxxx many
[02:23] <markybob> DragoraN, and it takes care of all that pesky grub config editing when you use dpkg.  it's a win win.
[02:24] <DragoraN> markybob:  :)
[02:24] <DragoraN> markybob: so it will create a debian package for me with my compiled kernel..
[02:24] <Sav> How do i change color depth ? Trying to load simcity 200 with wine but it wount run in 32bit mode
[02:24] <Sav>  =)
[02:24] <markybob> DragoraN, kernel and modules.  then just dpkg -i
[02:25] <DragoraN> markybob: cool
[02:26] <markybob> i need a job.  someone hiring? ;)
[02:27] <DragoraN> markybob: teach me, 2 bucks / hour
[02:27] <DragoraN> markybob: :)
[02:27] <markybob> DragoraN, i would, but i'm a law-abiting citizen and that's under minimum wage...thus illegal ;)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:28] <DragoraN> markybob: how old r u?
[02:28] <markybob> DragoraN, 22
[02:28] <markybob> fresh out of the navy.
[02:30] <DragoraN> markybob: oh..
[02:30] <markybob> DragoraN, ?
[02:34] <Sav> How do i change color depth ? Trying to load simcity 200 with wine but it wount run in 32bit mode
[02:34] <markybob> sav dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:35] <markybob> in hoary, anyway.  warty is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:35] <markybob> or you could also do nano -w /etc/X11/XF86config-4 in warty
[02:36] <dcf> has anybody experience in running ubuntu warty on an iMac G3?
[02:36] <no0tic> changing scaling governor to performance and then back to userspace breaks powernowd that has to be restarted
[02:37] <no0tic> is this bug known?
[02:38] <markybob> no0tic, who knwos...check https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:46] <BSD_> Hello. I have a question: Can a commercial product use a BSD licensed library without mentioning the library's copyright holders in the product?
[02:46] <markybob> hell no
[02:47] <BSD_> we can metion it in the dll ant that's about it
[02:48] <vpalle> anyone here knows how to search the command history in gnome-terminal?
[02:48] <markybob> vpalle, use the up/down arrows
[02:48] <Kamion> ctrl-r
[02:48] <comforteagle> Are there any problems with perl on Warty?  using CPAN to install basic modules is pooching out.
[02:48] <mjr> vpalle, it's not a gnome-terminal question, it's a shell question, and yes, ctrl-r
[02:48] <vpalle> thx all
[02:49] <markybob> comforteagle, which module?
[02:49] <comforteagle> Bundle::CPAN!
[02:50] <trigx300> hey im trying to get my sound card to work any advice (i had sound with mandrake)
[02:50] <bob2> I really wouldn't use CPAN like that.
[02:51] <bob2> there's dh-make-perl to make .debs from CPAN modules.
[02:51] <markybob> trigx300, wanna give more specifics?  is the user in audio group, for example?  do you have /dev/dsp?
[02:52] <trigx300> what doe that mean? - sorry im new to linux
[02:52] <trigx300> does*
[02:53] <markybob> trigx300, can you cat /dev/dsp?
[02:54] <mayang> Can debian deb packages be used for ubuntu as on line install ?
[02:54] <bob2> if you mean "Can you use Debian apt mirrors with Ubuntu?", then yes, but don't do it
[02:54] <markybob> :) heh
[02:54] <mayang> yes
[02:54] <bob2> if you mean "Can Ubuntu use remote mirrors over http like Debian?", then yes, it has it's own mirros and apt
[02:55] <tritium> mayang, most packages available for debian are also available for ubuntu.
[02:56] <mayang> yes ubuntu has quite few mirros and very slow
[02:56] <jsgotangco> growing pains :D
[02:57] <bob2> I've never had a problem saturating my dsl
[02:57] <mayang> trutium,I think so,but the question is how to make the source.list.
[02:58] <tritium> mayang, I can help you with that if you like
[02:58] <mayang> yes,please.
[02:58] <tritium> mayang, are you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:59] <mayang> Hoary5.04
[02:59] <tritium> okay
[02:59] <tritium> mayang, this is a good starting point: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/
[03:00] <Kamion> maybe we should have renumbered the preview so that people didn't call it 5.04 before it's even April yet ... :)
[03:00] <tritium> mayang, you may want to uncomment the lines with universe and multiverse to get access to the largest set of available software for ubuntu
[03:01] <mayang> Is there any intruduction about how to use debian deb alike ?
[03:01] <tritium> mayang, the packaging format?
[03:02] <tritium> mayang, if you're looking for documentation on how to use apt, you can install the apt-howto package
[03:03] <mayang> you mean delete # lines with universe and multivers?
[03:03] <tritium> mayang, not the whole line.  Just remove the "#"
[03:03] <Burgundavia> mayang: no, remove the 3
[03:04] <mayang> #only ?
[03:04] <tritium> yes
[03:04] <mayang> thanks
[03:04] <tritium> mayang, so the first character on the line is "d" (part of the word deb)
[03:04] <mayang> sure
[03:05] <tritium> mayang, you'll need to do an update after you finish editing that file
[03:06] <mgcross> hello all
[03:06] <tritium> Hi mgcross
[03:06] <mayang> tritium,what do u do with ubuntu (x applaction or servers)?
[03:06] <markybob> heh
[03:06] <tritium> mayang, are you asking what I do personally, or what can one do in general?
[03:07] <mgcross> does the kernel image 2.6.5.10.5amdk8 have the restriceted modules needed for nvidia yet?
[03:07] <mgcross> or should I wait to update?
[03:07] <tritium> mayang, the short answer is scientific computing, as well as everyday desktop usage
[03:07] <mayang> generay
[03:08] <mgcross> tritium, thanks for the help yesterday....twinview is on and working fine for tv-out :-)
[03:08] <tritium> mgcross, Oh, you're welcome :)
[03:08] <tritium> I'm glad it's working for you.
[03:09] <mgcross> tritium...me to...wife was sharpening knives
[03:09] <mgcross> er too
[03:09] <tritium> heh ;)
[03:09] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[03:09] <mayang> I like linux because it can do things like win
[03:09] <jsgotangco> mayang: and more!
[03:10] <tritium> mayang, the sky's the limit :)
[03:10] <markybob> mayang, wow.  that's a really messed up reason to like linux
[03:10] <deFrysk>  windows saves me money (on hydro bill)
[03:10] <mayang> really
[03:10] <mgcross> tritium, if I isnstall the current kernel updates, will I break nvidia-glx?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> mayang: you can really do a lot with it compared with windows
[03:11] <tritium> mgcross, you're on k8?
[03:11] <mgcross> don't see and restricted modules....
[03:11] <mgcross> yes
[03:11] <mayang> I use win learn less than linux,that is reason.
[03:11] <jsgotangco> mayang: its ok we always start at nothing
[03:11] <kensai> does kubuntu has a channel?
[03:11] <mgcross> tritium, yes
[03:11] <tritium> mgcross, I don't see a l-r-m for k8...
[03:11] <Myrtti> k7
[03:11] <markybob> kensai, seriously...why not just try #kubuntu before asking?
[03:11] <mgcross> tritium, thanks, that's what I thought....
[03:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:12] <mayang> right
[03:13] <markybob> damnit.
[03:13] <tritium> mgcross, but then again, I don't see any linux-images for k8 either...
[03:13] <Myrtti> k7
[03:13] <sianis> hi all
[03:13] <kensai> markybob, lol because I'm a little bit lazy since I just woke up
[03:13] <membreya> is there any reason for me to keep the mesagl drivers?
[03:13] <sianis> how can i setup my ftp server, so it load automatic when ubuntu is booting?
[03:13] <tritium> mgcross, amd64?
[03:13] <markybob> kensai, great, thanks.  i'd love to do your work for your lazy ass
[03:13] <zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
[03:14] <mayang> tritium,but learn is unlimit
[03:14] <sianis> i thing i have ftpd
[03:14] <zooko> Does bug #300842 -- libc6: upgrade fails in i386 chroot on amd64 system mean that I cannot safely upgrade libc on my hoary amd64 system at this time?
[03:14] <mgcross> trituim, yes, they are there....perhaps only avail on universe...
[03:14] <tritium> mayang, yep
[03:14] <mgcross> tritium, update manager brought them up
[03:14] <tritium> mgcross, good
[03:14] <kensai> markybob>
[03:15] <kensai> markybob> was I asking you to do it for me please
[03:15] <kensai> ?
[03:15] <markybob> kensai does kubuntu has a channel?
[03:15] <markybob> let's think about that for a minute
[03:16] <tritium> mgcross, I'm on i686, so I don't see them
[03:17] <kensai> markybob, remember we are not in #debian so we shouldn't be rude here LOL we at #debian won the most disapointment of 2004 award for treating bad people. Thanks for checking out ;)
[03:17] <tritium> mayang, were you able to find the software you're looking for after adding universe and multiverse?
[03:17] <zooko> Does anyone know how to open an URL in a firefox with -remote and *not* bring the firefox window to the front?
[03:17] <zooko> galeon offers a "--noraise" cmdline switch, but firefox doesn't.
[03:17] <mayang> yes
[03:17] <markybob> kensai, yeah, and aint it a bitch that i actually used to be a debian maintainer?
[03:17] <mgcross> tritium, oic..lol...again, thanks for the help...great community...
[03:18] <tritium> mgcross, :)
[03:18] <kensai> markybob, thats good mantaining debian is a pain it surely is. Binary distros are not easy to work with
[03:19] <mayang> I am doing apt now from us morrios
[03:19] <tritium> not as slow?
[03:20] <mayang> tritium,there are kubuntu-desktop kdm etc
[03:21] <tritium> mayang, yes.  Is that what you were looking for?
[03:22] <mayang> yes,but I rather like linked with debian apt source either.
[03:22] <tritium> mayang, if you're interested in kubuntu, have you seen this: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/index.php ?
[03:22] <sianis> can some1 help with the ftp servr config?
[03:24] <mayang> no, a friend told me kubuntu deb
[03:26] <tritium> mako, how's the laptop after the water incident?
[03:33] <mayang> tritium,thanks you show me the way.http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/index.php.
[03:33] <tritium> mayang, of course :)
[03:33] <membreya> is there any reason for me to keep the mesagl drivers?
[03:35] <mayang> if I install base-system like debian,can I install kde without gnome ?
[03:36] <bob2> mayang: yeah
[03:36] <tritium> mayang, it's possible, but not really recommended, to install ubuntu over a debian base installation
[03:36] <bob2> see also, kubuntu
[03:37] <Kamion> a Kubuntu install is an Ubuntu base system plus KDE
[03:37] <mayang> maybe
[03:39] <mayang> the qestion is I install hoary5.0.4 with "smart way",no chioce for kde or gnome ?
[03:40] <zooko> Well, upgrading seemed to work.
[03:40] <mework> Hi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load
[03:41] <tritium> mayang, you could install kubuntu if you prefer KDE
[03:41] <mayang> what the real meaning of wiki ?
[03:42] <mayang> yes
[03:42] <tritium> mayang, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
[03:44] <andril> hello all
[03:45] <andril> can someone help me play my MP3's?
[03:45] <mayang> tritium:can u tell me in short?
[03:45] <tritium> andril, with which player?
[03:45] <andril> xxms
[03:45] <Kamion> mayang: google for 'wiki'; the definition is visible in the search results
[03:45] <andril> I can't get Real installed
[03:45] <andril> BTW I am running Hoary
[03:46] <bob2> andril: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:46] <tritium> I haven't used xmms in some time.  I'm probably not the best to help you, andril.  Sorry.
[03:46] <IamJacksUsername> What's the difference between array-7 and preview?
[03:46] <bob2> I really wouldn't bother using RealPlayer for anything other than realmedia files
[03:46] <tritium> bob2, several complaints lately about xmms and mp3, have you noticed?
[03:47] <mayang> tritium,let me see
[03:47] <andril> yeah it freezes up
[03:47] <Kamion> IamJacksUsername: Array 7 is newer; I documented the main differences in the announcement
[03:47] <amichai> can someone tell me if there is a single click funtion in gnome for desktop icons? plz
[03:47] <tritium> amichai, there's a nautilus setting for that
[03:47] <membreya> yes amichai
[03:47] <bob2> tritium: hm, no, but I haven't been paying attention much today
[03:47] <andril> I also noticed the Industrial theme disappeared (GTK,Metacity & Icons)
[03:48] <membreya> my gl vendor currently says mesa gl .. would that explain my poor performance ?
[03:48] <IamJacksUsername> Thanks Kamion.
[03:48] <bob2> most problems with mp3 seem to be people not reading the GAQ
[03:48] <tritium> bob2, not so much today, but in the past week or so
[03:48] <tritium> andril, you have read the info on restricted formats, yes?
[03:48] <mework> Hi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load
[03:48] <andril> MP3 is now restricted?
[03:48] <mayang> tritium,I have to exit for kde installation restart now.
[03:48] <andril> is there a link?
[03:48] <Symbiote> i have this error: Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions are too restrictive. | i understand that it has something to do with PAM system changing permissions for NVIDIA. where can i set it so it doenst change the permissions?
[03:49] <Kamion> andril: er, mp3's always been restricted
[03:49] <andril> it worked with Warty
[03:49] <kanga> the protocol always has been
[03:49] <tritium> amichai, in a nautilus window: Edit -> Preferences -> Behavior -> Single click to activate items
[03:49] <Kamion> andril: oh, yeah, by accident
[03:49] <sh0r> hi there
[03:49] <vivek> hi people... can u tell me how do make entries in ap--sourses?
[03:49] <membreya> so ...noone knows about mesagl ?
[03:49] <sh0r> what do i need to install if i want to play .mpc files?
[03:49] <maswan> is it possible to make the network monitor thingie stop blinking all the time?
[03:49] <andril> so - is there a way to convert my (massisve) library?
[03:49] <geppy_school> Does Ubuntu use udev?
[03:49] <Kamion> geppy_school: yes
[03:50] <maswan> (hoary gnome panel thingie)
[03:50] <tritium> andril, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/RestrictedFormats/
[03:50] <geppy_school> Kamion:  Thanks!
[03:50] <vivek> i mean i do apt-get install gaim-vv and it sez Couldnt find package
[03:50] <jazzka> hi!
[03:50] <tritium> vivek, it hasn't been packaged
[03:50] <andril> tritium: cool and thanks
[03:50] <geppy_school> Why deos Ubuntu come without DMA enabled on drives?  Is it a backwards-compatability thing?
[03:50] <membreya> vivek: good luck compiling it :)
[03:50] <tritium> andril, np
[03:50] <vivek> no, i just installed it some time bCK in progeny...
[03:50] <amichai> tritium: found it. That will work for all?
[03:51] <amichai> stupid q
[03:51] <amichai> thanx
[03:51] <tritium> amichai, np
[03:51] <jazzka> I've got a bash script on my desktop, every time I double click it, a window appears asking me if I want to execute it with a terminal, show it ...
[03:51] <Kamion> geppy_school: it's turned off on CDs because it broke installations too often
[03:51] <geppy_school> Kamion: Just out of curiosity, how would DMA cause breakage?
[03:51] <jazzka> is there any way to make that decision stable? so it doesnt ask me every time?
[03:51] <andril> Kamion: thnk you again - you helped me alot
[03:51] <vivek> how do i stop OS from showng up mautilus evertime i boot a partition??
[03:52] <andril> I got alot to learn guys
[03:52] <sh0r> whicht protocol do i have to put in my pointer section to get the mousewheel of my IntelliMouseExplorer to work?
[03:52] <Kamion> geppy_school: usually the reports indicate silent data corruption while reading from the CD-ROM
[03:52] <geppy_school> vivek:  In the "Removable Media" GUI, you can set it not to open up newly mounted partitions
[03:52] <Kamion> geppy_school: or just random failures to read files
[03:52] <geppy_school> Kamion: Oh, alright.
[03:52] <sh0r> eer i mean the pointer section of the XF86Config-4
[03:52] <vivek> geppy_school:ty..
[03:53] <geppy_school> vivek: You're welcome.
[03:53] <sh0r> IntelliMouse doesn't work...
[03:53] <Kamion> geppy_school: turning off DMA seems to be less hard on (particularly) older drives
[03:53] <kanga> must be a stupi mouse then sh0r
[03:54] <sh0r> stupi?
[03:54] <kanga> lol just a joke!
[03:54] <sh0r> ah :) english is not my native language... ;)
[03:54] <kanga> kool
[03:55] <PacoBCN> sh0r, like most people in Florida :D
[03:55] <kanga> what is sh0r?
[03:56] <sh0r> so any idea which protocol i could use? it sucks without mousewheel
[03:56] <membreya> sh0r: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html
[03:57] <andril> hey I am in Florida too
[03:58] <vivek> how did i get gaim-vv in progeny???
[03:59] <PacoBCN> vivek, you got gaim-vv working?
[03:59] <vivek> yes..
[03:59] <PacoBCN> ages ago I asked for a backport but no luck
[03:59] <PacoBCN> vivek, tell me, how does it work?
[03:59] <vivek> i cud very wel c other ppls webcams...
[03:59] <TenPlus1> Hi folks... can someone help me plz...
[03:59] <TenPlus1> am trying to change screen colour depth from 24 to 16 in safe mode
[03:59] <vivek> gaim-vv works quite fine...
[03:59] <TenPlus1> and emacs isnt installed
[04:00] <PacoBCN> vivek, that's cool. When I tried to compile it I had no luck
[04:00] <tritium> vivek, you say there's a progeny package for it?
[04:00] <bhodie> any network gurus here to help a linux beginner?
[04:00] <vivek> yes.. i mean i got it install in progeny.. but if  remmebr it right, i got it from a debian mirror
[04:00] <PacoBCN> Tell me there's pack for it and you'll make my day
[04:01] <vivek> i am quite sure.. as i instlld it abt 5 days back....
[04:02] <PacoBCN> you don't remember the repo, right?
[04:02] <vivek> nope..
[04:02] <vivek> but i got it from a search in google for gami-vv
[04:02] <bhodie> perhaps someone could point me in the right direction....
[04:03] <TenPlus1> any other txt editors I can use in safe mode... I dont have emacs for some reason
[04:03] <geppy_school> Kamion: Is it not plausible to set up a "white list" of DMA-friendly driveS?
[04:04] <PotajiTo> wenas
[04:04] <Kamion> geppy_school: that's something we're planning for the future
[04:04] <Kamion> hence the hardware database stuff for hoary
[04:05] <PacoBCN> vivek, can you tell me which version of gaim-vv you have installed?
[04:05] <geppy_school> Kamion: Would that be something I and other clueless users would be able to help with?
[04:05] <Kamion> geppy_school: the point of the hardware database is exactly that
[04:06] <Kamion> geppy_school: don't know exactly how it would work with DMA, though; not really my area; we'll see
[04:06] <TenPlus1> How do I change my SCREN DEPTH from 24 to 16 in Safe Mode ???
[04:06] <typo> I've just upgraded from sid to hoary and epiphany can't find libgtkembedmoz.so, so I guess there's a missing dependency somewhere
[04:06] <typo> what package provides libgtkembedmoz.so?
[04:06] <sh0r> membreya: thx i'will try that!
[04:06] <geppy_school> Kamion: Ah, cool;  much thanks!
[04:07] <membreya> sh0r: it's great because it lets me use the buttons on the side of muh intellimouse :)
[04:07] <PacoBCN> Installing gaim-vv from a repo I found
[04:07] <PacoBCN> I'll tell you if there's luck
[04:08] <vivek> PacoBCN:i do not remember.. cuz i had apt-get it .. n erased mh hd in 3 days...now i have ubuntu..
[04:08] <vivek> PacoBCN:plz let me know too....
[04:09] <tritium> typo, dpkg -S <filename> will tell you
[04:09] <bhodie> help with dhcp and/or static ip settings?
[04:09] <PacoBCN> it just deleted gaim :D
[04:10] <vivek> kool...
[04:10] <PacoBCN> no luck at all
[04:10] <vivek> u r on the right track..
[04:10] <PacoBCN> dependencies problems
[04:10] <typo> tritium: "mozilla-browser: /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so"
[04:10] <typo> tritium: and yet epiphany can't find it
[04:11] <typo> maybe I need to reboot
[04:11] <PacoBCN> tries to overwrite /usr/share/man/man1/gaim.1.gz
[04:11] <PacoBCN> which already exists in the gaim-data pack
[04:11] <sh0r> membreya: brb, i have to restart x
[04:12] <vivek> it worked perfecly for me .....
[04:12] <bhodie> 393 peeps and one ops..  and no help...  :)
[04:12] <tritium> PacoBCN, you'd need to remove gaim-data (which will remove gaim, ubuntu-desktop, etc.)
[04:13] <PacoBCN> tritium, if I delete gaim-data and install gaim-vv and then I try to install gaim again it will remove gaim-vv, I guess
[04:14] <PacoBCN> (BTW, I see another update of firefox...)
[04:14] <tritium> PacoBCN, if you try it and don't want it, yes, you can reinstall gaim and anythiing else that gets removed, such as ubuntu-desktop
[04:15] <PacoBCN> ubuntu-desktop is a meta pack, I think
[04:16] <membreya> PacoBCN: indeed it is :)
[04:16] <tritium> PacoBCN, yep
[04:16] <flyingsquirrel54> You guys know of a good IRC for a linux noob?
[04:16] <tritium> client?
[04:17] <tritium> xchat and irssi seem popular.  gaim has IRC capabilities as well
[04:17] <PacoBCN> uninstalling gaim-data
[04:17] <kresten> Hi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" to write?
[04:17] <PacoBCN> installing gaim-vv
[04:18] <flyingsquirrel54> no, sorry not a client, a server/channel
[04:18] <jsgotangco> salut
[04:18] <PacoBCN> salut
[04:18] <Spooks> Hey hey
[04:18] <CarlK_> I am going to test someone's .deb package.  what is the name of the 'script' that builds the .deb?
[04:18] <PacoBCN> gaim loads ok
[04:18] <Spooks> Someone mind explaining how I format a drive with Ubuntu on so I can install windoze again please?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> eh?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> why do you want to do that?
[04:19] <esher> iam search for a nice terminal font for "terminal-console" under x
[04:19] <flyingsquirrel54> back to windoze? You can do it with the win cd during the install
[04:19] <esher> any idea ?
[04:20] <benjanet> is beagle on the unverse repository for hoary...i cant seem to find it
[04:20] <benjanet> to find it
[04:20] <Symbiote> what software can i download to use for sound mixing on ubuntu if my sound card is too primitive to do it?
[04:20] <Spooks> Yeah, I want my other drive to have windoze on so I can play a couple of games
[04:20] <tritium> CarlK_, there's a makefile called "rules" in the debian/ dir that is used by dpkg-buildpackage
[04:20] <Spooks> That I cannot run on Linux
[04:20] <kresten> Hi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" to write?
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Spooks: your windows CD can repartition your drive
[04:21] <PacoBCN> looks like you can't have gaim-vv and gaim-encryption together
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Spooks: next time just dual boot instead
[04:21] <sh0r> re
[04:21] <Spooks> dual boot = no ty
[04:21] <sh0r> works fine :)
[04:21] <flyingsquirrel54> better to install windows first and then linux
[04:21] <Spooks> but I shall try
[04:21] <Spooks> ty
[04:21] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:21] <jsgotangco> mustve been pissed
[04:22] <PacoBCN> restarting X
[04:23] <kresten> Hi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" write-access?
[04:23] <sh0r> how do i put a script in my init.d directory?
[04:23] <typo> epiphany still doesn't work because it can't find libgtkembedmoz.so, anyone know what this might be?
[04:23] <sh0r> err xinitrc.d i mean
[04:24] <tritium> kresten, 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute
[04:24] <tritium> kresten, those values are additive
[04:25] <kresten> tritium, Thanks a bunch!
[04:25] <tritium> sure
[04:27] <typo> anyone know how I can fix epiphany?
[04:27] <eyequeue> bugzilla?
[04:28] <typo> eyequeue: where's ubuntu's bugzilla?
[04:28] <maddler> could someone send me "Lucida Typewriter" font? :)
[04:28] <maddler> please...
[04:28] <eyequeue> typo:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:31] <Burgundavia> typo: what is the issue with epiphany?
[04:31] <typo> Burgundavia: "epiphany: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[04:32] <Burgundavia> typo: warty or hoary?
[04:32] <typo> Burgundavia: hoary
[04:32] <mramm> I am having a problem with ndiswrapper and the dell 1170 card in a inspiron 8200 any body got any debugging tips?
[04:32] <typo> Burgundavia: upgraded from sid
[04:32] <jsgotangco> what kind of problems exactly?
[04:32] <Burgundavia> typo: hmm
[04:33] <jk24> mramm: what's the problem ?
[04:33] <typo> btw, I can't install ubuntu-desktop
[04:33] <rvalles> hi
[04:33] <typo> python-newt is uninstallable
[04:33] <tritium> typo, perhaps its not a bug in epiphany-browser, but rather something wrong with the upgrade from sid
[04:33] <Burgundavia> typo: file the bug. I cannot replicate the problem though
[04:33] <rvalles> in order to make my own kernel for ubuntu...
[04:33] <rvalles> well, I've made it
[04:33] <Burgundavia> typo: you upgraded from sid?
[04:33] <typo> tritium: might be
[04:33] <typo> Burgundavia: yes
[04:33] <rvalles> but I see that grub uses an initrd
[04:33] <rvalles> for the kernel to load initially
[04:34] <rvalles> and there is an initrd for each kernel version of the ones ubuntu installed
[04:34] <Burgundavia> typo: have you looked at what package provides libgtkembedmoz.so? and tried updating that?
[04:34] <typo> Burgundavia: it's mozilla-browser
[04:34] <rvalles> what I want to know is, basically, what does the initrd do
[04:34] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:34] <rvalles> if I can ditch it, if I can use one of the already made ones
[04:34] <typo> Burgundavia: 1.7.5-1ubuntu1
[04:34] <eyequeue> mkinitrd (8)         - make an initrd image
[04:34] <rvalles> or how to make a new one for my kernel
[04:34] <tritium> typo, what prevents installation of ubuntu-desktop?
[04:34] <typo> Burgundavia: so I guess its updated
[04:35] <rvalles> any recommendation?
[04:35] <typo> tritium: python-newt
[04:35] <eyequeue> rvalles:  initial ram disk
[04:35] <mramm> I get the drivers installed and ndiswrapper -l shows driver loaded and hardware present.  I did modprobe ndiswrapper, and then ifconfig wlan0 up.  The interface then shows up, but no traffic hits it, and attempts to manually change the essid with iwconfig have no result.
[04:35] <Burgundavia> typo: that is the latest version
[04:35] <rvalles> eyequeue: please, I know this much.
[04:35] <lrojas> is there a way to install ubuntu with a 2.4.x kernel?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> I would try removing the whole thing and reinstalling and see if that helps
[04:35] <eyequeue> rvalles:  man mkinitrd
[04:35] <rvalles> eyequeue: ...
[04:35] <Burgundavia> lrojas: why?
[04:35] <tritium> typo, what's the error with python-newt?
[04:35] <rvalles> eyequeue: what I want to know is why ubuntu uses a initrd
[04:35] <Burgundavia> lrojas: and yes, ifyou compile it yourself
[04:35] <rvalles> eyequeue: that is, what does it use it for.
[04:36] <King_Crimson> hey i downloaded the new hoary and burnt the install iso to cd how do i install it now?
[04:36] <typo> tritium: I think it depends on an old version of libnewt
[04:36] <lrojas> well, i been trying to install debian, is been hard, so i figured that maybe i could go with ubuntu, but i need a 2.4 kernel because thats what transgaming ppl recomend
[04:36] <Burgundavia> King_Crimson: place it in your cd drive and reboot your computer
[04:36] <jsgotangco> put it on the cd tray?
[04:36] <King_Crimson> ok
[04:36] <King_Crimson> thx
[04:36] <Burgundavia> King_Crimson: make certain that you boot from the cd rom before  your harddrive
[04:36] <Burgundavia> nev mind
[04:36] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:36] <Kanga> set bios
[04:37] <typo> Burgundavia: reinstalling mozilla-browser had no effect
[04:37] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:37] <jsgotangco> nice suggestion
[04:37] <typo> tritium: "python-newt: Depends: libnewt0.51 (= 0.51.6-20ubuntu3) but 0.51.6-21 is to be installed"
[04:37] <eyequeue> rvalles:  you'd have to ask someone involved in the kernel package maintenence i suppose
[04:37] <Kanga> thought you were sleeping jsgotangoco!
[04:37] <zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
[04:37] <zooko> This doesn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowtob
[04:37] <zooko> on my current hoary amd64 system.
[04:38] <eyequeue> lrojas:  what is transgaming?
[04:38] <zooko> It compiled the whole thing, then got an error attempting to ls something "amd64" something "generic".
[04:38] <lrojas> the ppl that make cedega
[04:38] <tritium> typo, apt-cache policy libnewt0.51 please.  I think you have another repo providing a different version.
[04:38] <zooko> This failure of ls caused it not to create the .deb file.  :-?
[04:38] <eyequeue> lrojas:  what is cedega?
[04:38] <lrojas> cedega is the aplication formely known as WineX
[04:39] <Burgundavia> eyequeue: a fork of the wine project, allows you to run windows app on linux
[04:39] <lrojas> http://www.transgaming.com
[04:39] <eyequeue> lrojas:  okay, still no clue, sorry
[04:39] <rvalles> I just want to boot my own kernel
[04:39] <Burgundavia> eyequeue: www.winehq.org
[04:39] <zooko> When did it fork?
[04:39] <PacoBCN> eyequeue, it avoids to have a windows OS :)
[04:39] <Burgundavia> zooko: when wine changed their license
[04:39] <tritium> zooko, try using kernel-package to build your kernel
[04:39] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  thanks.  not having any windows apps, i have never had that desire
[04:39] <lrojas> why, oh why.... is linux such a mess for the newbie
[04:40] <rvalles> which isn't such a weird thing; people love to bould their own kernels.
[04:40] <eyequeue> PacoBCN:  i've avoided having one fairly well without it :)
[04:40] <Burgundavia> eyequeue: I have never used it, but I have heard some good reports
[04:40] <mako> DarthFrog: bob2 is not the channel manager, but he's the only person on the list of current channel managers who i know is active here
[04:40] <zooko> tritium: I have tried that.  Unfortunately the resulting kernel couldn't boot...
[04:40] <PacoBCN> eyequeue, well, you might want to play some videogames, some times
[04:40] <eyequeue> PacoBCN:  ah, i'm no gamer
[04:40] <zooko> I guess I could copy to config file from the Ubuntu way to do it and then use kernel-package...
[04:40] <zooko> That sounds like a good idea.  Thanks.
[04:40] <PacoBCN> eyequeue, in that case you don't need it :D
[04:40] <eyequeue> PacoBCN:  :)
[04:41] <typo> tritium: probably the debian sid version
[04:41] <tritium> typo, is that what apt-cache policy shows you?
[04:41] <mramm> jk24: sorry I had to take a support call.   Any thoughts on how to troubleshoot problems with ndiswrapper
[04:41] <tritium> typo, you don't really want a sid repo in your sources.list, now do you?
[04:41] <tritium> mako, how's the laptop after the water incident?
[04:42] <keyhack> How can I disable the annoying loud startup noise at the gdm login screen? It would be fine if I could have adjusted the volume but blaring it at 100% volume on my laptop is not fun.
[04:42] <eyequeue> keyhack:  disable the sound that it calls?
[04:42] <Burgundavia> keyhack: system-->admin-->login screen setupo
[04:42] <keyhack> Burgundavia: It's not there
[04:42] <eyequeue> keyhack:  that's if there's not a more elegant solution someone offers
[04:42] <keyhack> eyequeue: I've muted my sound, rebooted, and it still does it
[04:43] <PacoBCN> Ok, conclusions after installing gaim-vv (voice-video support for gaim): It works pretty well. However, the installation might give you some headache since you have to uninstall gaim-data and gaim, and, most important, looks like you can't run gaim-vv + gaim-encryption, which is why I rolled back to def. installation.
[04:43] <typo> tritium: I don't have one
[04:43] <eyequeue> keyhack:  no, i mean the actual file
[04:43] <tritium> typo, what version is installed now?
[04:43] <typo> tritium: it's just that the debian version is -21 and the ubuntu one -20, so it's not an upgrade
[04:43] <Burgundavia> keyhack: accessablity tab
[04:43] <mako> tritium: well.. i ordered a new keyboard
[04:43] <typo> tritium: I need to downgrade
[04:43] <eyequeue> keyhack:  mv filename filename.saved ; touch filename
[04:43] <mako> tritium: should arrive later this week probably
[04:43] <Burgundavia> keyhack: oh, that gets only drums
[04:43] <mako> tritium: i think that'z the only thing that's broken
[04:43] <eyequeue> keyhack:  something like that
[04:43] <Burgundavia> keyhack: you want tinkly sounds gone
[04:43] <mako> tritium: keyboard/mouse combo thing
[04:43] <tritium> mako, that's good, but sorry that happened :(
[04:43] <keyhack> Burgundavia: no, I want the one second drums gone
[04:43] <mako> tritium: i got it refurbished so it only cost $60
[04:43] <rvalles> seriously; does nobody here build their own kernels?
[04:44] <mramm> typo:  Have you tried completely removing the package and installing the one from the Ubuntu repository.
[04:44] <keyhack> Burgundavia: I removed the 20 second startup audo from gnome fine
[04:44] <Burgundavia> keyhack: the drums in accessablity
[04:44] <typo> does anyone know a Portuguese (.pt) mirror for ubuntu packages?
[04:44] <keyhack> Burgundavia: Why its there, who knows, thanks
[04:44] <typo> mramm: looks like aptitude can handle things, thanks
[04:44] <tritium> mako, could be worse, I guess
[04:44] <flyingsquirrel54> I just barely got done installing ubuntu on my laptop, but what's the root pswd?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> keyhack: it is for people who cannot see to login
[04:44] <eyequeue> keyhack:  how did you remove the 20 second startup?
[04:44] <rvalles> I'm helping a non-english speaking linux user on his ubuntu
[04:44] <rvalles> but at this rate
[04:44] <PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, know what sudo is?
[04:44] <keyhack> eyequeue: from the sound settings
[04:44] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  there is none.  on purpose.
[04:44] <rvalles> I'll just move him to my distro (Gentoo) which is far less intrusive
[04:44] <mako> rvalles: what language?
[04:44] <typo> could someone tell me what's in their /etc/ld.so.conf?
[04:44] <rvalles> mako: spanish
[04:45] <flyingsquirrel54> but I need to know the password to use sudo too don't I?
[04:45] <keyhack> System -> Preferences -> Sound
[04:45] <keyhack> I turned it all off
[04:45] <Burgundavia> Fleebailey33: your own
[04:45] <keyhack> gtg reboot
[04:45] <mako> rvalles: http://www.ubuntu-es.org/
[04:45] <PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, yes, your own password
[04:45] <Burgundavia> flyingsquirrel54: your own
[04:45] <Burgundavia> wrong person
[04:45] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:45] <PacoBCN> it has root privilegies
[04:45] <mako> rvalles: there is an active spanish-speaking community
[04:45] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  no you do not
[04:45] <mako> rvalles: and lots of spanish documentation
[04:45] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  you use your user password
[04:45] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54: sudo != su
[04:46] <flyingsquirrel54> never seen that before, of course, i'm new, thanks
[04:46] <tritium> typo, yes, try downgrading the sid version of python-newt to allow ubuntu-desktop to install
[04:46] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  no prob, and welcome
[04:46] <rvalles> mako: thanks, didn't know that site
[04:46] <flyingsquirrel54> it's very pretty
[04:46] <flyingsquirrel54> is wine installed by default?
[04:46] <mako> rvalles: no problem
[04:46] <PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, since you installed the system it's assumed that you're a super user, but next users you add won't have sys privilege unless you specificly add them.
[04:46] <CarlK_> hoary server install: cardinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared
[04:47] <rvalles> mako: they have a kernel tutorial, but it's using kernel-package
[04:47] <rvalles> mako: :/
[04:47] <CarlK_> is that "expected" or should I file a bugreport?
[04:47] <tritium> rvalles, not too many people have need to build their own kernels.
[04:47] <keyhack> Ok back, does anyone have experience using fireglcontrol? I'm trying to set up dual head with my ATI card, and I set my settings, restart X, go back, and its back to where it was before. Anyone?
[04:47] <flyingsquirrel54> paco makes sense
[04:47] <mako> rvalles: why is that a problem?
[04:47] <eyequeue> mke-kpkg rocks :)
[04:47] <rvalles> mako: because most people prefer to build the kernel their own way
[04:47] <PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, you'll soon find that sudo not only makes sense but it's pretty comfortable
[04:48] <rvalles> mako: without distro interference
[04:48] <mako> rvalles: most people who are starting out prefer to build a kernel the *easiest* way :)
[04:48] <eyequeue> rvalles:  you have a strange definition of "most people" perhaps
[04:48] <flyingsquirrel54> pacoBCN: is wine installed by def?
[04:48] <Kamion> rvalles: you asked why we use an initrd; there's no other sane way for a binary distribution to go about it
[04:48] <rvalles> but... there's this initrd thing ubuntu uses for stuff I don't know of
[04:48] <arnau_> Hello. How can I change the menu fonts of my applications? I use kde 3.4.0
[04:48] <tritium> rvalles, the advantage of kernel-package is that your kernel is under package management system
[04:48] <PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, no, it's not but it's easy to install
[04:48] <mako> rvalles: in fact, most people use whatever the stock kernel is :)
[04:48] <rvalles> Kamion: what do you do place in the initrd?
[04:48] <typo> Burgundavia: what does ldd tell you for libgtkembedmoz?
[04:48] <mako> including me, for that matter
[04:49] <Riddell> arnau_: kcontrol->appearance->fonts
[04:49] <rvalles> mako: and people who build it, don't like distro-isms
[04:49] <eyequeue> rvalles:  that is a complete lie
[04:49] <Kamion> rvalles: drivers that would otherwise have to be compiled monolithically into the kernel
[04:49] <mako> rvalles: i think that's a pretty overly broad statement
[04:49] <Burgundavia> typo: ?
[04:49] <zooko> So what is the easiest way to build the kernel?
[04:49] <Kamion> rvalles: initrd is not a "distro-ism"
[04:49] <tritium> zooko, kernel-package
[04:49] <zooko> I've failed two different ways now, and I'm going back to kernel-package at this moment...
[04:49] <rvalles> Kamion: you mean... modules?
[04:49] <Kamion> rvalles: yes
[04:49] <zooko> Thanks.
[04:49] <eyequeue> rvalles:  if you are opposed to using the tools that come with a given distro, perhaps you should consider not using that distro
[04:49] <naikuty> hello friends
[04:49] <flyingsquirrel54> what type of install sytem does ubuntu use? yum, apt-get?
[04:49] <typo> Burgundavia: running ldd for /usr/bin/epiphany? where is it getting libgtkembedmoz.so?
[04:50] <rvalles> Kamion: why are the modules not just in the standard /lib/modules place?
[04:50] <Kamion> rvalles: but you can load modules from the initrd before you mount the root filesystem
[04:50] <mako> eyequeue: there's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater in this case
[04:50] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  ubuntu is debian-based, hence dpkg/apt/and the like
[04:50] <Burgundavia> typo: just a sec, I have to reinstall it
[04:50] <rvalles> Kamion: what does having the modules in initrd have to do with ubuntu being a binary distro?
[04:50] <Kamion> rvalles: there are enough SCSI controller drivers, filesystem drivers, etc., that creating a single kernel that could mount any root filesystem would be far too huge
[04:50] <mako> rvalles: nothing
[04:51] <eyequeue> rvalles:  what is your rationale for subverting the package management system?
[04:51] <Kamion> rvalles: because that means we prefer to build and properly test a single kernel package which will work in as many situations as possible
[04:51] <Kamion> rvalles: for instance, we use the same kernel in an installed system as we do in the installer
[04:51] <rvalles> Kamion: that's quite easy to comprehend
[04:51] <rvalles> Kamion: but... why should people who build their own kernels care?
[04:52] <Kamion> that sort of flexibility is not practical with a huge monolithic kernel; AFAIK, all binary distributions use initrds
[04:52] <Kamion> rvalles: you don't have to
[04:52] <rvalles> Kamion: so, I don't need initrd to boot, then?
[04:52] <arnau_> Riddell: the menu fonts in openoffice don't change.
[04:52] <Kamion> it is not necessary to use an initrd if you don't want to; you just have to tweak the bootloader configuration to take that into account
[04:52] <mako> rvalles: are you using a custom kernel?
[04:52] <Riddell> arnau_: ah well openoffice is a whole new mystery
[04:52] <rvalles> Kamion: If I place the modules in the standard place (/lib/modules), ubuntu won't complain?
[04:52] <Kamion> rvalles: er, Ubuntu ALREADY has a bunch of stuff in /lib/modules
[04:53] <eyequeue> rvalles:  again, what is your rationale for subverting the package management system?
[04:53] <rvalles> eyequeue: personal preference
[04:53] <Kamion> eyequeue: I think that's overly hostile
[04:53] <flyingsquirrel54> is there any type of package manager that I could install to make installation easier for a noob?
[04:53] <rvalles> eyequeue: do you have a problem with it?
[04:53] <Kamion> eyequeue: we provide facilities for people to provide their own kernels; it's not subversion
[04:53] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, synaptic
[04:53] <eyequeue> rvalles:  nor do i have a problem if you -rf your rm
[04:53] <mako> rvalles: you just need to make sure you have the stuff necessary to to the filesystem, etc loaded into the monolithic kernels so you can load up those modules
[04:53] <arnau_> Riddell: with firefox I have the same result
[04:53] <mako> rvalles: if you've built a custom kernel, that's fine
[04:54] <eyequeue> rvalles:  but your hosptility in here does bother me
[04:54] <flyingsquirrel54> that's it! I was trying to remember that but I couldn't. Thanks!
[04:54] <Burgundavia> eyequeue: remember the Ubuntu code of conduct please
[04:54] <rvalles> mako: ok
[04:54] <Kamion> eyequeue: AFAICT you're being at least as hostile; please cut it out
[04:54] <mako> eyequeue: different strokes for different folks
[04:55] <mako> eyequeue: i've gone through stages of building kernels in at least two different debian ways, totally by hand, and am now sticking with stock kernels.. :) they're all fine :)
[04:55] <rvalles> mako: he's having problems booting it... I guess I'll ssh into his box after all and try to figure out more about the boot process (it seems the kernel boots)
[04:55] <mako> rvalles: if you can ssh into it.. it sounds like it's booting alright
[04:55] <Kamion> rvalles: maybe he forgot to take the initrd line out of the bootloader config?
[04:56] <rvalles> mako: he boots the old kernel, of course.
[04:56] <tritium> rvalles, it's nice that you're helping your friend, and going to the extent of learning about a distro other than the one you use yourself
[04:56] <Kamion> unfortunately it does have to be taken into account there, by nature
[04:56] <gooniewrk> should i need to install anything extra after a default install to mount windows shares? I can mount them in my gentoo box but not my ubuntu.. plz forgive my newbieness... New to *nix
[04:56] <rvalles> tritium: thanks... I was curious about ubuntu anyways
[04:56] <mako> rvalles: it's nice to learn how other distributions works anyway
[04:56] <mako> rvalles: i had a very good time learning about gentoo this summer
[04:57] <rvalles> myself I use Gentoo; not because I care much about optimizations or stuff like that
[04:57] <rvalles> but because it isn't intrusive at all
[04:57] <typo> Burgundavia: any luck?
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> windows 'shares' are accesed useing the 'samba' tools - its possible that samba is disabled by default or for security reasons.
[04:57] <keyhack> fireglcontrol doesn't seem to be applying any settings. I have a second monitor hooked up, I set the 2nd display to be disabled, restart X, and its enabled still. Anyone have experience with this? Is fireglcontrol designed to work with XFree86 and not Xorg?
[04:57] <rvalles> it doesn't fight the admin... <3
[04:57] <Burgundavia> just a sec, had some issues with installing
[04:57] <zooko> Is there an established channel for users (like me) to communicate to Ubuntumasters about packages that I would like to see included?
[04:57] <tritium> typo, have you looked at the python-newt issue, or are you working on epiphany at the moment?
[04:57] <zooko> There is a package that I currently have to get from debian...
[04:58] <Burgundavia> typo: firefox
[04:58] <tritium> zooko, which one is it?
[04:58] <Kamion> zooko: anything other than IRC :-) ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com would be reasonable
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> gooniewrk,  the site    http://ubuntuguide.org/   - i a must read. :P its has loads of info on this and other areas.
[04:58] <Burgundavia> typo: libgtkembedmoz.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so (0xb7faa000)
[04:58] <Kamion> zooko: I'm surprised it's not in universe/multiverse though?
[04:58] <typo> tritium: that seams fixed
[04:58] <tritium> typo, super
[04:58] <zooko> It's because I'm on 64-bit.  ghc6.
[04:58] <gooniewrk> Dr_Willis, I checked in synaptics and the samba packages are installed.. how do I enable samba if it is disabled?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> gooniewrk: it is also warty, and thus slightly outdated
[04:58] <Kamion> oh, a build failure then presumably
[04:58] <typo> tritium: thanks
[04:58] <zooko> The reason I can't use uni/multi is because they don't have 64-bit.
[04:58] <typo> Burgundavia: I don't have that file
[04:58] <gooniewrk> Dr_Willis, thx I'll read it
[04:58] <Kamion> zooko: they do so :)
[04:58] <typo> Burgundavia: looks like it's that
[04:58] <Burgundavia> typo: hmm
[04:59] <zooko> Oops.  I'll doublecheck..
[04:59] <Burgundavia> typo: do you have firefox?
[04:59] <Kamion> zooko: all architectures have all components
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> gooniewrk,  you may just need to start the service.. been so long since id dont a clean install..
[04:59] <typo> Burgundavia: ahhh, that's it
[04:59] <typo> Burgundavia: I have debian's firefox
[04:59] <Burgundavia> typo: there we go
[04:59] <Kamion> zooko: ghc6 built successfully on amd64
[04:59] <tritium> zooko, ghc6 is available, at least on i386
[04:59] <PacoBCN> wow, every 30 minutes I see more upates
[04:59] <Kamion> 18 days ago
[04:59] <PacoBCN> updates
[04:59] <Burgundavia> typo: firefox is part of desktop-seed on ubuntu, those everybody gets it
[04:59] <gooniewrk> k, i'll give it a try when i get home
[05:00] <tritium> zooko, do you have universe included in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:00] <typo> Burgundavia: yes, but I have debian sid's version
[05:00] <Kamion> it failed on ia64
[05:00] <typo> Burgundavia: that doesn't have the embed stuff
[05:00] <Kamion>       ghc6 |    6.2.2-2 | hoary/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[05:00] <Burgundavia> typo: ah
[05:00] <atho> hm
[05:00] <Kamion> zooko: warty/universe didn't have ghc6, though
[05:00] <rvalles> for some reason, his kernel doesn't boot when he doesn't place the initrd line on grub config
[05:00] <rvalles> and it does if he does place it
[05:00] <rvalles> :O
[05:00] <zooko> Sorry about that.
[05:00] <atho> How can I pass something to the kernel on PPC hoary??
[05:00] <rvalles> it's a "wth"
[05:00] <Kamion> rvalles: so that means that his kernel expects an initrd; i.e. it doesn't have enough compiled into it to get by on its own
[05:00] <typo> Burgundavia: thanks for the help, this should fix it
[05:01] <tritium> atho, all the time, or just once?
[05:01] <atho> I need acpi to be off
[05:01] <rvalles> Kamion: that would be fine
[05:01] <Kamion> rvalles: the stock kernel will certainly behave that way
[05:01] <Burgundavia> typo: np
[05:01] <rvalles> Kamion: if the initrd was for his new kernel
[05:01] <Kamion> atho: powerpc doesn't have ACPI
[05:01] <atho> Kamion...
[05:01] <tritium> atho, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (the kopt line)
[05:01] <Kamion> tritium: nor does powerpc have grub :)
[05:01] <atho> How can I fix the hotplug subsystem freeze?
[05:01] <atho> :)
[05:01] <tritium> atho, and the sudo update-grub
[05:01] <rvalles> Kamion: but he uses the initrd of the _old_ kernel and it boots (it cannot possible be a modules thing; the modules won't link against his new kernel)
[05:02] <atho> HI2U
[05:02] <rvalles> Kamion: and he doesn't and it doesn't
[05:02] <typo> is there any way I can make the ubuntu packages supercede the debian ones in all cases, even if it means downgrading?
[05:02] <Kamion> rvalles: weirdness!
[05:02] <Burgundavia> typo: you can force the install
[05:02] <tritium> atho, oh, you're on PPC, sorry...didn't see that.  Thanks for catching that Kamion
[05:02] <atho> :P
[05:02] <atho> Kamion, any ideas?
[05:02] <atho> Hotplug subsystem freezes
[05:02] <typo> Burgundavia: I can fix it case by case, but I wanted to do it for everything
[05:02] <Burgundavia> typo: and you force, remember to remove the sid repo
[05:03] <Kamion> atho: not right now sorry
[05:03] <Burgundavia> typo: don't know sorry
[05:03] <rvalles> Kamion: well, it's ssh time
[05:03] <Kamion> rvalles: I do think the kernel must be broken though, there's no reason it shouldn't be able to boot by itself
[05:04] <atho> :|
[05:04] <rvalles> Kamion: there's no reason it would boot with an initrd which contains modules for a different kernel version
[05:04] <rvalles> Kamion: either
[05:04] <Kamion> rvalles: not if the module ABI has changed, certainly
[05:05] <typo> epiphany is back :)
[05:05] <Kamion> rvalles: which leads me to believe there's more going on than is being described :)
[05:05] <tritium> typo, cool :)
[05:05] <esher> iam search for a nice terminal font for "terminal-console" under x
[05:05] <esher> fixed font, like terminal are :)
[05:05] <atho> Does anyone think upgrading to Hoary from Warty will work?
[05:06] <atho> To skip the hotplug subsys problem
[05:06] <tritium> atho, have you tried the Hoary LiveCD?
[05:06] <lok> atho, why does you think it does not works ?
[05:06] <lok> hoary have no probleme
[05:07] <atho> Installing from Hoary gives the freeze
[05:08] <lok> the installer ?
[05:09] <lok> or after the install ?
[05:09] <mramm> If I install ndiswrapper, install the drivers, check the driver instalation (ndiswrapper -l), and do the modprobe, but am still not able to see anything on wlan0 are there any debugging steps I can try?
[05:09] <lok> iwconfig mramm
[05:09] <lok> then ifconfig wlan0 up
[05:09] <mramm> ifconfig wlan0 up brings something up, but no traffic ever hits it
[05:10] <lok> iwconfig wlan0 can config it
[05:10] <mayang> tritium,I just install kde-core
[05:10] <mramm> iwconfig shows the interface, but iwconfig commands will not work (for istance I can't get it to accept a essid change)
[05:10] <lok> change the mode first to change essid
[05:10] <tritium> mayang, okay, it's entirely up to you :)
[05:11] <lok> mode Ad-Hoc
[05:11] <lok> then change the essid
[05:11] <mayang> 3.4 is quit bealtiful than 3.2
[05:11] <udubuntu> greetings #ubuntu
[05:12] <tritium> hi udubuntu
[05:12] <mramm> lok: that seems to work.  Thanks
[05:12] <andril> hey all
[05:12] <udubuntu> Am I the only one who waits up to 5 minutes for Gnome to load?
[05:13] <andril> I need help making shortcuts or launchers to apps
[05:13] <Zugot> i'm so sad...
[05:13] <Zugot> none of my software works on amd64 linux
[05:13] <Zugot> so i have to revert to x86
[05:13] <udubuntu> I saw the faq and tried the .ICEauthority suggestion but to no avail
[05:13] <mayang> now I am do system updating
[05:14] <lok> Zugot, I m on a x86_64 and my software works
[05:14] <udubuntu> has anyone here solved the GNOME-takes-ages-to-start problem?
[05:14] <tritium> udubuntu, I haven't experienced it
[05:14] <lok> all the software except microsoft oriented ones (acroread, flash, wine)
[05:14] <zooko> Zugot: I'm going 64-bit all the way, so far.
[05:14] <udubuntu> tritium: ah, i c
[05:15] <tritium> udubuntu, sorry, otherwise I'd try to help
[05:15] <naikuty> zooko, I just cannot get my Xserver up on AMD64
[05:15] <udubuntu> tritium: thanks - much appreciated
[05:15] <mramm> OK.  Now the wlan0 interface is up, and the essid is set, but still not a single transmited or recieved packet.
[05:16] <udubuntu> tritium: any idea where I may find help?
[05:16] <tritium> udubuntu, you've tried the right places...
[05:16] <andril> can someone help me with shortt cuts?
[05:17] <Keizer> <3
[05:17] <tritium> andril, do you want launchers on your panel?
[05:17] <Keizer> Hey guys, i've got a problem with my wireless DWL-G650 card
[05:17] <udubuntu> tritium: looks like I'll fix it then - and then provide the answer :-)
[05:18] <lok> naikuty zooko, I just cannot get my Xserver up on AMD64 << I don't how you do but I never had one probleme with X due to the x86_64
[05:18] <mramm> I have a dell 1170 card, which is a broadcom 4301 chipset.  Ndiswrapper installs, the driver shows up, but I can't get it to transmit a packet.
[05:18] <tritium> udubuntu, :)
[05:18] <mramm> keizer; what kind of problem?
[05:19] <Keizer> It can't find my network
[05:19] <lok> mramm, you want to make what type of network ? ad-hoc ?
[05:19] <mramm> Keizer: did it work previously?
[05:19] <Keizer> I'm in windows and the card works fine.
[05:20] <Keizer> I want to boot back into Linux and have internet. I'm reading some stuff
[05:20] <mramm> I have an access point, with encryption.
[05:20] <Keizer> But I don't think Ubuntu is going to support it even though the site says it will.
[05:20] <lok> an access point does not use ad-hoc mode
[05:20] <mramm> I started by trying managed, but then I couldn't change the essid.
[05:20] <lok> juste configure the password and channel
[05:21] <lok> you don't need to set the essid in this mode
[05:21] <Keizer> Mine is not encrypted
[05:21] <CarlK_> how do you see what cards are in?
[05:21] <CarlK_> lscard or something
[05:21] <lok> network card ?
[05:22] <CarlK_> pcmica
[05:22] <zooko> naikuty: what kind of graphics card have you?
[05:22] <naikuty> zooko, via s3 unichrome based K8m800
[05:22] <Keizer> I'm using PCMCIA
[05:22] <lok> it depends in what does the card do
[05:22] <mramm> trying it now.  Thanks!
[05:22] <lok> if it's for a wireless network use iwconfig
[05:22] <CarlK_> na, there is soemthing that will probe the cards and return there ID's
[05:22] <typo> what's the package for the panel package update stuff?
[05:22] <naikuty> zooko, there was no problem with warty/xfree86/x-86
[05:23] <burbuja> hi all!
[05:23] <Keizer> What's the command to bring up the wireless network search in Bash?
[05:23] <Keizer> The stupid installation crashed on me last time.
[05:23] <Keizer> Fedora didn't crash
[05:23] <CarlK_> Keizer - long shot: ifup -a
[05:23] <naikuty> zooko, yesterday i updated to Hoary/AMD64 & this is Xorg - the vesa mode which earlier used to work doesn't work now
[05:24] <zooko> naikuty: I just ran "google ubuntu k8m800" and got several interesting hits in the top 10...
[05:24] <Keizer> CarlK_, Ok, I'm going to reboot and go into Ubuntu. It it doesn't work i'm going back to Fedora
[05:24] <lok> naikuty, have you verify that the driver use by Xorg is realy vesa
[05:24] <Keizer> I know my chipset is Atheros
[05:24] <CarlK_> Keizer - hang on a sec.
[05:24] <CarlK_> I may have the same card
[05:25] <CarlK_> dlink 650?
[05:25] <Keizer> Yes
[05:25] <naikuty> zooko, the first link from the search is exactly my problem
[05:25] <Keizer> It says AirPlus on it?
[05:25] <CarlK_> the part that is sticking out says "dwl-650+ dlink airplus"
[05:25] <CarlK_> yup
[05:25] <naikuty> lok, how do i do that, I just gave vesa in the driver section
[05:26] <CarlK_> but... I here dlink changed the inside a few times, and there are relly 4 different versions under that name
[05:26] <Keizer> Mine doesn't have a "+" on the end, it just says AirPlus
[05:26] <CarlK_> I am hoping that the ID returned by the card is a bit more usefull
[05:26] <CarlK_> but I can't remember how to probe it
[05:26] <bwlang> CarlK_: cardctl ident
[05:27] <Keizer> I know it's an Atheros chipset
[05:27] <CarlK_> thats it!
[05:27] <lok> naikuty, edit the xorg.conf file all is in
[05:27] <CarlK_> wtf...    product info: "Wireless Network CardBus PC Card", "Global", "", ""
[05:28] <mramm> Still no packets transmited or recieved.   Shouldn't I be able to see some packets going out, even if I don't have the right cripto stuff?
[05:28] <CarlK_> Keizer - you get that and "manfid: 0x0097, 0x8402"
[05:28] <naikuty> lok, I made the xorg.con as similar as possible with the working config of XFree86 from a previous installation, but it doesn't just seem to work
[05:30] <andril> tritium: that would be fine - but also on the desktop
[05:30] <andril> I JUST INSTALLED THE Opera browser
[05:30] <tritium> andril, on the panel, right-click and choose Add to Panel.  Then, choose Custom Application Launcher
[05:31] <CarlK_> does grub support mutiple append lines?
[05:31] <CarlK_> and/or, does grub support global settings, then specific ones under each "lable"?
[05:32] <andril> ok
[05:32] <zooko> So.... if I'm about to compile 2.6.10+ubuntu packages, using kernel-package, can someone supply me with a sample .config that is likely to actually boot?
[05:33] <andril> tritium: ok I am there
[05:33] <setite_> anyone have a widescreen monitor?
[05:33] <setite_> anyone have a widescreen monitor and know how to set custom resolutions
[05:34] <tritium> zooko, there are configs in /boot for kernel images you have installed
[05:34] <zooko> tritium: excellent!  Thanks!
[05:34] <tritium> np :)
[05:34] <zooko> Thanks, #ubuntu!  See you later
[05:35] <tritium> andril, okay, you just need to fill out a few fields then
[05:35] <andril> that's where the issue begins
[05:35] <virtuald> setite_: no i don't but hand edit /etc/xorg.conf, you'll get the idea when you see the lists of resolutions
[05:35] <setite_> i updated my driver... and now the current resolution properly stretches instead of being in 1:1 with b lack bards
[05:35] <tritium> andril, okay, like what?
[05:35] <andril> the command
[05:36] <setite_> virtuald  ive tried replacing and changing values in the xorg.conf
[05:36] <setite_> never works
[05:36] <tritium> andril, which opera
[05:36] <setite_> it makes GDM not run
[05:36] <setite_> ive copied and pasted code from a few forum threads but nothing has worked so far
[05:36] <andril> Opera 7.54u2
[05:36] <Keizer> CarlK_, Ok, reboot time
[05:37] <setite_> can you recommend a forum to me
[05:37] <setite_> i didnt find what i needed at the ubuntu forum
[05:37] <tritium> andril, can you type that command in the terminal please?
[05:37] <flyingsquirrel54> I'm trying to install synaptic on my brand new system but don't have a c compiler, don't know apt either
[05:37] <virtuald> setite_: :/
[05:37] <setite_> yea....
[05:37] <virtuald> i don't use forums
[05:37] <setite_> i have another driver though
[05:38] <setite_> from nvidias site
[05:38] <setite_> its a .run
[05:38] <setite_> what do i use
[05:38] <setite_> alien?
[05:38] <setite_> or just dpkg the file as it is
[05:38] <andril> i don't know the command
[05:38] <setite_> how do i use alien again
[05:38] <virtuald> setite_: chmod +x file and then ./file
[05:38] <tritium> andril, "which opera"
[05:38] <andril> Opera7.54u2
[05:38] <virtuald> chmod +x sets execute permissions on it
[05:38] <setite_> thta makes it executable right
[05:39] <setite_> cool
[05:39] <andril> tritium, Opera 7.54u2
[05:40] <tritium> andril, that's the output from the command?
[05:40] <tritium> andril, is opera installed from a .deb package?
[05:41] <andril> probaly not I downloaded it form the site
[05:41] <setite_> damn i have to run it from CLI
[05:41] <setite_> grrr
[05:41] <setite_> forget that
[05:41] <virtuald> :)
[05:41] <andril> uncompressed the folder and click on the opera file to get it started
[05:41] <setite_> yea i dont like messing with cli
[05:41] <Burgundavia> tritium: yes
[05:41] <elhinto5000> anyone know why i dont get sound in flash??
[05:41] <Burgundavia> tritium: I think
[05:42] <setite_> i always make a blunder of it
[05:42] <elhinto5000> i just installed flash-mozilla and i get no sound
[05:42] <elhinto5000> everything else i get sound with
[05:42] <tritium> andril, and it installed?
[05:42] <elhinto5000> rythembox, xmms, tv card
[05:42] <virtuald> setite_: then you should use the nvidia driver in ubuntus restricted section
[05:42] <virtuald> and not touch the official release
[05:43] <tritium> andril, "which opera" should return the full path
[05:43] <CarlK_> Keizer - I am going to install hoary server with my (your?) card - should be done in about 30 min
[05:43] <netventure> setite: FYI, there's a deb package available for Opera
[05:45] <setite_> virtual did that alread
[05:45] <setite_> net... why you telling me about opera
[05:45] <tritium> andril, you still there?
[05:45] <andril> tritium: I am lost
[05:45] <elhinto5000> ok
[05:45] <setite_> i dont want opera
[05:45] <setite_> tried it... like it on windows... hate in on linux
[05:46] <netventure> oops! sowwy, mixed up nicks
[05:46] <tritium> andril, okay, did opera install for you?
[05:46] <elhinto5000> im getting no sound in flash. i installed flash-mozilla from apt, everything else plays sound but flash, any help??
[05:46] <tigrux> Where can I see the list of current packages for Ubuntu?
[05:46] <andril> all I did is extract to folder
[05:46] <wezzer> I don't like the idea of paying for web browser
[05:46] <Kamion> tigrux: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[05:46] <tritium> andril, netventure mentioned that there's a .deb for opera.  Did you realize this?
[05:46] <andril> I keep it free like Ubuntu
[05:47] <tigrux> Kamion: Thanks.
[05:47] <andril> really - where
[05:47] <netventure> andril: here
[05:47] <netventure> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20i386&lng=en&ver=7.54u2&platform=Linux%20i386&local=y
[05:48] <setite_> anyone know off hand if there is a linux driver for the logitech mx510?
[05:48] <andril> ok - I downloaded the Other/Static DEB one
[05:48] <andril> netventure: did you get this installed?
[05:49] <netventure> andril: sorry, I never tried, not really into opera
[05:50] <netventure> andril: have you tried dpkg -i opera-xxxxxxxxx.deb ??
[05:50] <andril> nope wil do
[05:51] <tigrux> Can anyone that had used mandrake before tell me why should I use Ubuntu instead of Mandrake? I still use mandrake, but I don't like the new cycle of releases of Mandrake, so I could change of distro.
[05:51] <netventure> setite: try this page: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=108762&postcount=5
[05:51] <netventure> setite: it says MS Optical, but I guess it was also meant for the mx510
[05:51] <elhinto5000> anyone know how to get flash to play sound?
[05:52] <Keizer> CarlK_, I just did the ident
[05:52] <andril> not working
[05:52] <kotatsu> tigrux: ubuntu will make you a 1337 h4x0r? dunno, try it and see if you like it =) IIRC, mandrake is KDE based, so you might give kubuntu a spin... honestly though, if mandrake already works, there's no reason apart from curiousity for you to switch
[05:52] <andril> or I am just screwed
[05:52] <Keizer> Of course it doesn't work
[05:52] <erik> hey, how do I set up pppoe with ubuntu?
[05:53] <CarlK_> Keizer - "doesn't work"?
[05:53] <Keizer> CarlK_, I didn't have the same chip as you
[05:53] <Keizer> Mine is Atheros Communications AR 5001
[05:53] <CarlK_> damm dlink!
[05:53] <tigrux> kotatsu: I'm a gnome user, actually I'm very happy with my gnome 2.10.0, but I'm using a non-official repository.
[05:53] <CarlK_> Keizer - "manfid: 0x0097, 0x8402" ?
[05:54] <kotatsu> tigrux: I can definitely say that ubuntu is the best out-of-the-box GNOME setup I've used... everything works extremely well and I didn't run across any show-stopping bugs while I was using Warty (stable release)
[05:54] <tigrux> kotatsu: I have noticed Ubuntu follows the gnome cycle release closely, but mandrake does not, and mandrake does not have updates for gnome as often as I want.
[05:54] <Keizer> CarlK_, 0x0271 0x0012
[05:54] <kotatsu> tigrux: your desire to switch should be based on how satisfied you are with mandrake =)
[05:54] <Kamion> tigrux: having the GNOME release manager on staff does something to help with that ;)
[05:54] <elhinto5000> anyone know how to get flash to play sound?
[05:55] <kotatsu> tigrux: in that case, I'd recommend trying out ubuntu - it's very nice to get GNOME fresh out of the oven every 6 months
[05:55] <CarlK_> Keizer - did you install Warty (current stable) or Hoary (beta) ?
[05:55] <kotatsu> although I don't think I'll ever be able to stay with the stable ubuntu release for more than a month or two on my workstation
[05:56] <kotatsu> devel branches have too many tempting new toys
[05:56] <Keizer> CarlK_, Hoary
[05:56] <Keizer> CarlK_, I think I found a driver online
[05:56] <maximaus> elhinto5000, flash *should* have sound w/o configuration, perhaps you have some other app tying up the sound card?
[05:56] <tigrux> kotatsu: I like to create hacks for my apps, as well as recompiling for optimizing. Is it easy with Ubuntu/deb?
[05:56] <Keizer> http://linux.seindal.dk/item23.html
[05:56] <tigrux> kotatsu: I'm used to create rpms, and it seems to be easy. I don't how easy is for deb.
[05:56] <zenrox> boy ubuntu is loading really slow after yesterdats updates
[05:56] <kotatsu> tigrux: not sure what you mean by "hacks" but sure, you can recompile packages if you really want to... it's much easier and faster to just install binaries though
[05:57] <elhinto5000> max: exactly which flash should i install?  does it matter?
[05:57] <maximaus> elhinto5000, I
[05:57] <kotatsu> tigrux: "optimizing" is an uncertain science at best and doesn't always give you significant speed gains
[05:57] <maximaus> 'm using the bog standard from the site.
[05:57] <tigrux> kotatsu: But example, translating applications, or fixing minor bugs I.
[05:58] <xigle1> Hey folks. I really can't understand what's going on with the hoary repositories these days. I just did a clean install of Hoary Array 7, and the first thing I did was to add the universe repository and did a apt-get update. And this is what's happening when I do a apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad: ...unmet dependencies: libmad0 but it is not installable (the same with libid3tag0), broken packages. Really, is it just me? Tried this 3 times now, the same with ho
[05:58] <Keizer> CarlK_, What do you think?
[05:58] <maximaus> elhinto5000, try running gnome-system-montior, kill any apps that might be using the soundcard, and even "esd" for good measure and try your flash thing again. (ESD is the sound server and can be wierd at times)
[05:58] <Keizer> Can apt install xinit?
[05:58] <kotatsu> tigrux: the best resource for that is  http://www.debian.org/doc/ - read through the developers stuff
[05:58] <Keizer> I don't have x on there.
[05:59] <kotatsu> tigrux: that should give you some idea about how difficult it will be for you to switch from RPM to DEB
[05:59] <elhinto5000> maximaus: so i would have to kill esd everytime?  thats kinda crappy
[05:59] <medi> hello
[05:59] <medi> hay alguien que able castellano?
[05:59] <zooko> tigrux: I hack lots of my own apps.
[05:59] <zooko> I generally just use gnu stow and install my versions in /usr/local/stow/...
[05:59] <zenrox> this is anoying gnome has finised loading up my bars yet and i dont see my menus even yet
[06:00] <maximaus> elhinto5000, no, not at all, every now and then it gets carried away. Flash sound works fine for me out of the box, btw (Warty)
[06:00] <zenrox> has=hasnt
[06:00] <medi> alguien controla en programacion en entorno de terminales??
[06:00] <CarlK_> Keizer - reading that link
[06:00] <elhinto5000> max: exactly what package did you install for flash? or did you just do the install plugin button on firefox?
[06:01] <zooko> Hm.  These instructions for installing Sun's java 1.5 didn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[06:01] <maximaus> elhinto5000, I just grabbed the plugin from an old Fedora install and threw it in my ~.firefox/plugins folder and it worked.
[06:01] <elhinto5000> ok thanks
[06:01] <medi> please, any people can help me in a programation problem?
[06:01] <zenrox> zooko, follow this one www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:01] <tigrux> zooko: OK, but what about merging your patches to a deb, and recompiling. Is it easy?
[06:01] <zenrox> right thru to the pluging install too
[06:02] <zooko> These instructions didn't work either: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:02] <netventure> medi: what's the prob?
[06:02] <zooko> (I'm on a hoaryish amd64...)
[06:02] <zenrox> oh
[06:02] <zooko> tigrux: I've never compiled a .deb.  Well, actually I compile my kernel into debs...
[06:02] <zenrox> thats makes a difference
[06:02] <zooko> Oh wait -- I'm not going to get Sun's java going on amd64.  NEvermind.  :-{
[06:02] <elhinto5000> works if i kill esd
[06:02] <CarlK_> Keizer -woa... now lspci shows "Texas Instruments ACK 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface
[06:02] <elhinto5000> i hope after a reboot it works
[06:03] <zooko> elhinto5000: yes, I recently upgraded my hoary, and alsa sound stopped working.\
[06:03] <Burgundavia> elhinto5000: it is trying to access /dev/dsp I bet
[06:03] <elhinto5000> how do i change it?
[06:03] <zooko> the workaround was sudo kill esd before running something that used alsa sound.  :-/
[06:03] <medi> can i pass the info of an archive to a variable?
[06:03] <elhinto5000> :-\
[06:03] <zooko> I used to report things like this to debian bug tracker.
[06:03] <medi> sorry, but i speak reeeeally bad english
[06:03] <dts> how do i add entries to my applications menu?
[06:03] <medi> xD
[06:03] <zooko> I would do the same for ubuntu, but I haven't been able to report bugs successfully yet...
[06:03] <tigrux> zooko: For example, I modified gnome-speech to add it support for mexican Spanish. So i made my own rpm, modifying the one of Mandrake. I don't want to loss that flexibility, that's why I'm asking a lot. :-)
[06:04] <zooko> tigrux: Now I see what you want -- you want your hacked things to satisfy the dependency requirements of other packages.
[06:04] <CarlK_> Keizer - that page lists some steps that are what I did to add an Atmel card to a Warty install, so give it a shot
[06:04] <zooko> That's definitely doable -- people do that, but I don't.
[06:04] <zooko> Maybe a tool called "equivs" will help...
[06:06] <zooko> Why is ubuntuguide.org not something that I was previously introduced to via ubuntu.com?
[06:06] <dts> this can't be a hard question, how do i modify the applications menu?
[06:06] <zooko> Oh cool -- Sun's Java *is* compiled for Linux AMD64.
[06:07] <tigrux> zooko: Kind of, but I'm talking about creating your own patches. For example, mergeant didn't compile with gnome-db 1.2, then I created a patch for mergeant, and I uploaded my custom rpm to mandrake's incoming ftp, and it was commited. : )  That's the kind of flexibility I'm refering.
[06:07] <zenrox> with the amd64 ver of java zooko ?
[06:07] <xigle1> what version of hoary should I use to get as little trouble as possible regarding universe repository? ?
[06:08] <CarlK_> xigle1 - the latest ;)
[06:08] <bhna> xigle1> the latest ;-)
[06:08] <xiglet> CarlK_: Have tried preview and array 7, both fails
[06:09] <zooko> tigrux: I think you're talking about two different things: 1. your hacked package satisfies another package's dependencies, so that you are not required to install the original unhacked package in order to install the other one.  2. submitting patches to upstream to be included in new official releases.  IS that right?
[06:10] <tigrux> zooko: Or at least to a Contrib repository. Yes.
[06:10] <xiglet> guess I have to try debian or something then ... :-|
[06:11] <zooko> Hm.  So you're talking about a 3rd things-- sharing your packaged hacked apps for other people to use your packages.
[06:11] <zooko> That last thing is a bigger deal in RPM land than in Deb land.
[06:11] <zooko> Possibly because in Deb land there are semi-official packages for almost everything, so there isn't as much need for individually maintained packages.
[06:12] <zooko> However, the way it is done in debland is that you upload your package to a separate apt source server.
[06:12] <CarlK_> speaking of debs, some unknown person wants to make a .deb for kRecipies and I am willig to test, but want to take proper steps to avoid a trogen - what should I do?
[06:12] <tolle> I'm having some strange problems with my Wireless network
[06:12] <zooko> There is not a general purpose "Contrib" server space the way there is in RPMland.  Although maybe Hoary multiverse is slightly like that, but only one package of each software is kept there.  :-)
[06:12] <zooko> CarlK_: sigh
[06:12] <tolle> The card is detected and all, and so is the accesspoint.. I just get a realy high package loss..
[06:13] <zooko> CarlK_: test it on a virginal system then wipe and reinstall operating system after testing?  :-(
[06:13] <tolle> Is there anything else that could cause it other then a broken card?
[06:13] <zooko> CarlK_: newer better ways to do this are coming -- things like Xen.
[06:13] <CarlK_> zooko - that is very doable - I install hoary over once a day
[06:13] <zooko> CarlK_: someday, people will be amazed when we tell them that we had to do this in order to test new software safely...
[06:13] <tolle> The card uses the ath_pci driver. So a bad driver shouldnt cause it as far as i know.
[06:13] <CarlK_> well, I try to.. just got an error ;)
[06:13] <dtudosie> hi everybody
[06:14] <dtudosie> I have an issue with my printer in hoary
[06:14] <tigrux> zooko: Interesting, I will give ubuntu a try.
[06:14] <tigrux> zooko: Thanks.
[06:14] <CarlK_> zooko - I am amazed at how many people don't test on clean boxes
[06:15] <dtudosie> after I launch a print job, in a few seconds it shows a paused printer icon and it wont print...
[06:15] <setite> shit
[06:15] <setite> it still doesnt work
[06:15] <dtudosie> anybody have an ideea ?
[06:15] <setite> anyone wanna take a gander at my xorg.conf and tell me what im doing wrong
[06:16] <zooko> CarlK_: I guess I overlooked an already-mature way to do it: chroot
[06:16] <zooko> CarlK_: But it seems like possibly more work to do that than to reinstall the OS...
[06:16] <dtudosie> I have an epson stylus c20sx
[06:16] <CarlK_> zooko - I was more interested in getting "the source" so that I could review and maybe even build the .deb myself
[06:17] <CarlK_> but I have no clue what it takes to build a .deb, and after reading up on it I get the feeling that isn't resonable
[06:17] <[koji] > will the final hoary release still be using the same repo?
[06:18] <setite> does anyone know where ps/2 or USB is preferrable
[06:18] <setite> for mouse and keyboard
[06:18] <zooko> xiglet: I think current hoary works fine for installing things from universe and multiverse.  Was that your question?
[06:18] <setite> like for gaming... is there any proof or general accepted notions that USB is faster/better/more responsive or that PS/2 is
[06:18] <CarlK_> zooko - are you up on the Moinmon markup stuff?
[06:19] <zooko> CarlK_: Nope.
[06:19] <CarlK_> oh yeah.. this is mine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[06:19] <CarlK_> soon to be referenced by HandsOffInstall
[06:19] <CarlK_> once I figure out how I did it ;)
[06:20] <typo> does anyone know how I can make xorg do multihead with my laptop's monitor port?
[06:20] <appleseed> anyone know what -HUP means? in regards to killall -HUP
[06:20] <bleck> i'm testing the hoary-preview-live-powerpc on a G3 BW. The system (and desktop) loads but the system is extremely slowwww
[06:20] <CarlK_> typo - not all laptops support it, and #xorg is a good place to ask
[06:20] <zooko> appleseed: different apps might interpret it differently
[06:20] <rapha> Hi all!
[06:20] <bluefoxicy> What exactly does gcj do?
[06:21] <DarthFrog> appleseed: Basically to reprocess the config file.
[06:21] <zooko> appleseed: some servers reread their config files and then restart, when they get HUP.
[06:21] <zooko> appleseed: lots of apps die when they receive it though.  ;-)
[06:21] <rapha> How do you get Samba to work with Hoary (sharing and also accessing other shares)? I got it installed, but starting the daemon fails ...
[06:21] <appleseed> DarthFrog,zooko: cool thanks. was just wondering :)
[06:21] <CarlK_> appleseed - man kill has some explanation
[06:21] <beloDRAK> hi
[06:21] <appleseed> CarlK_, thanks I'll check it out
[06:22] <DarthFrog> appleseed: It is also known as SIGHUP and "kill -1".
[06:22] <zenrox> this is just driving me nuts
[06:22] <zenrox> takes forever gor gnome to load
[06:22] <beloDRAK> is it possible to manually add xfce into the "Sessions" option in GDM?
[06:22] <zooko> zenrox: yes, amd64 version of java 1.5
[06:22] <zenrox> for gnome
[06:22] <typo> CarlK_: this one does
[06:22] <typo> CarlK_: I'm trying there, thanks
[06:22] <zenrox> and i dont have any thang RUNNING
[06:22] <appleseed> can anyone give me their opinions on software for this setup: 2 laptops and 1 desktop. I want to setup mail and filesharing on the server, so the 2 laptops can mail eachother and store files on the server.
[06:23] <netventure> rapha: do you get any error messages when starting it?
[06:23] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, thats not needed
[06:23] <appleseed> what mailserver. and is iFolder the right thing to use for the file sharing?
[06:23] <rapha> netventure: no, unfortunately not
[06:23] <deFrysk> it does that automaticly
[06:23] <Kamion> [koji] : yes
[06:23] <CarlK_> damm, my append line is 293 chars...
[06:23] <beloDRAK> deFrysk: I've installed Xfce with an installer and it isnt in the GDM
[06:23] <Kamion> CarlK_: build a deb> install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'
[06:24] <netventure> checked /var/log/samba/log/smbd, log.nmbd ??
[06:24] <enrico_> Hello.  Does someone know of internationalised Ubuntu Live CDs?  We would like to distribute some Ubuntu live CDs in Italy, but we'd need them preset to Italian, with OOo Italian spellchecking, thesaurus and so on
[06:24] <enrico_> Does something like that already exist?
[06:24] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, there is a repo listed in osworks.com wich works exellent on ubuntu , also docs are provided there howto set the sesiion up manually when installing with the installer
[06:25] <rapha> netventure: Unable to open printcap file
[06:25] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, in short read the docs on os-works.com
[06:25] <setite> can anyone look at my xorg and tell me why it wont work
[06:26] <rapha> netventure: but creating one didn't help
[06:26] <netventure> rapha: that shouldn't really be a problem, me thinks
[06:26] <beloDRAK> deFrysk: ok , i'll try, thnx
[06:27] <rapha> netventure: I also saysparams.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[06:27] <rapha> netventure: And "params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file."
[06:27] <terry_> I am trying to install ia32-libs and I am getting this message: error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[06:28] <terry_> What is it trying to link to where, or how would I find out, I tried looking through the control files of the package, but it didnt shed any light on the problem
[06:28] <rapha> Oh
[06:29] <rapha> netventure: got it started
[06:29] <appleseed> any opinions on decent mailserver software for a small network?
[06:30] <rapha> netventure: But in "Places > Network Servers" and then "Windows Network", it doesn't even find itself ... not to speak of the Windows machine on the net
[06:31] <DarthFrog> appleseed: ubuntu defaults to using postfix, which is quite good.  I prefer, and use, exim.
[06:31] <appleseed> DarthFrog, thanks again, i'll look it up
[06:32] <DarthFrog> appleseed: But you'll get more support for postfix as it is the Ubuntu default.
[06:32] <jdub> appleseed: go postfix. :-)
[06:32] <appleseed> DarthFrog, jdub: will do, ta :)
[06:33] <Anubis> wtf is wrong with xmms?
[06:33] <Anubis> sometimes it works sometimes it segfaults
[06:33] <Anubis> Rhythmbox won't play shit
[06:33] <netventure> Anubis: try bmp
[06:33] <netventure> beep media player
[06:33] <Anubis> damn whats left?
[06:33] <Anubis> bmp looks ugly
[06:33] <netventure> :O
[06:34] <CarlK_> Kamion - what should I ask the maintainer to send me?  (script, make file, "the files needed so I can run debuild" )
[06:34] <netventure> xmms is GTK1.x
[06:34] <Anubis> at least with the default skin
[06:34] <Anubis> it uses winamp skins?
[06:34] <netventure> I agree... bmp can use a few better skins
[06:34] <deFrysk> Anubis, also yes
[06:34] <netventure> but that's all that's bad
[06:35] <Kamion> CarlK_: "source package"
[06:36] <CarlK_> Kamion - bingo. thanks
[06:36] <Kamion> CarlK_: source packages for all packages are already in the archive, so you should rarely need to ask for it
[06:36] <setite> this is sad.... i find myself missing windows
[06:36] <setite> widescreen added a whole new hurdle to leap... and i keep tripping
[06:36] <CarlK_> Kamion - this is for kRecipies, a project on sf.net, that currently has no .deb .rpm .ebuild. nutin.
[06:37] <setite> anyone know where i can get cedega cvs
[06:37] <Kamion> ok
[06:37] <setite> i plan to buy it... but i cant yet... not till i get paid tomorrow
[06:38] <zenrox> setite,  but the trippings are ok at least you get back up
[06:38] <setite> yea well now i know how
[06:38] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:38] <setite> took a few hours to learn to get back up from the xorg.conf blunders
[06:38] <setite> im using code directly from forums
[06:38] <setite> people with my same problem... thats the part that is driving me nuts
[06:39] <setite> also i love counterstrike and i cant find cedega cvs...
[06:39] <setite> and if i boot back to windows i wont be back for a few days... happens everytime
[06:39] <zenrox> setite,  sine up for a free account and get the code
[06:39] <setite> so i get the cvs from the official site
[06:39] <plagerism> quit
[06:39] <zenrox> setite,  yep
[06:40] <setite> gracias
[06:40] <zenrox> setite,  allso look at torrents to find a deb allready made
[06:40] <setite> hey would you like to look at a portion of my xorg.conf to see if you can figure out what im doing wrong
[06:41] <mastergoon> anyone else have problems with firefox crashing a ton on hoary?
[06:41] <zooko> mastergoon: not me
[06:41] <garrut> nope, just the download problem
[06:41] <mastergoon> hmmm :\
[06:42] <omni_lonnie> nope, no problems here..
[06:43] <knewt> my only firefox problem is something i've filed a bug report for, with a patch. but hasn't even been looked at yet
[06:43] <zooko> I have a problem that it doesn't offer a feature to cmdline open a URL in a new tab and *not* pop to front.
[06:43] <zooko> And a problem that it doesn't have a feature to stay running a server so that when I invoke it with -remote it will *not* pop to front.
[06:43] <flyingsquirrel54> hey, I'm brand new to ubuntu; no c compiler with def install?
[06:43] <zooko> ... these are two things that galeon already does nicely for me...
[06:43] <mastergoon> apt-get install gcc
[06:43] <knewt> well, ok, i do have another firefox problem but it's really a gtk2 bug
[06:43] <flyingsquirrel54> thx
[06:44] <mastergoon> gcc-4.0 is there if you want on hoary, havent tested it much yet though
[06:44] <zooko> Whee!  I built my kernel! -rw-r--r--   1 root src  13237294 Mar 23 13:35 ./kernel-image-2.6.10_customyumyum.6.0_amd64.deb
[06:44] <flyingsquirrel54> mastergoon: how can I get a list of available? new to apt.
[06:44] <mastergoon> flyingsquirrel54, apt-cache search gcc
[06:44] <flyingsquirrel54> awsome. thanks.
[06:44] <virtuald> does ubuntu do source code security auditing?
[06:44] <Tilos> Is there a simple way to graphically log in to a remote Ubuntu box?
[06:44] <mastergoon> sure
[06:45] <arverne> anybody know why usb drive don't automount anymore (on hoary with all the updates)?
[06:45] <SlugO> how can i get hoary live-cd to detect my cd-rom drive? it just says that No common CD-rom drive was detected
[06:47] <virtuald> got a common cd-rom drive :P
[06:47] <virtuald> get
[06:47] <SlugO> so my LG isn't common enough :p
[06:47] <SlugO> ?
[06:47] <knewt> hmm. 4 days without acknowledgement of filed bug.
[06:47] <Pluk> hi all
[06:48] <SlugO> this seems to be a common problem with debian installers...
[06:48] <Burgundavia> knewt: which bug?
[06:48] <knewt> Burgundavia: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7931
[06:48] <Burgundavia> knewt: we are in cram for relase now
[06:49] <Burgundavia> knewt: I would wait. I am certain they have seen it
[06:52] <no0tic> last python-xdg package: python-xdg_0.9-1_all  is bugged, it crashes gdesklets starter bar
[06:52] <no0tic> the previous version was ok
[06:54] <Burgundavia> no0tic: there is some work being done on that right now
[06:55] <no0tic> Burgundavia: thanks, I was reporting it ;)
[06:56] <aLiAsYnOnYm> anyone here who knows how to run Quake3 on Ubuntu ??
[06:56] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: yes
[06:56] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: running hoary?
[06:57] <aLiAsYnOnYm> 4.10
[06:57] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:57] <Burgundavia> what does it do?
[06:57] <flyingsquirrel54> trying to install perl module; is there an authoritative collection on the web?
[06:57] <akk> WHat's a "non-conventional window manager"?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> flyingsquirrel54: cpan?
[06:58] <Burgundavia> akk: something other than metacity
[06:58] <akk> Burgundavia: I'm using fvwm and xremote works for me in firefox, though it's been broken in mozilla since the aviary landing.
[06:58] <Burgundavia> akk: I don't run one of those, but add your confirmation to the bug report then
[06:58] <Burgundavia> akk: it might move faster
[06:59] <aLiAsYnOnYm> Burgundavia do you know a web page explaining the installation etc?? i just wanted to inform me if it works before i try it myself ...
[06:59] <akk> Burgundavia: I'm reading the mozilla bug report trying to figure out what the actual bug is.
[06:59] <akk> Burgundavia: The ubuntu bug report doesn't have any details at all.
[06:59] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: I didn't isntall it
[06:59] <Keizer> CarlK_, You there?
[06:59] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: I have a copy that was copied over
[07:00] <Keizer> I don't have the appropriate stuff to fix this wireless problem I believe.
[07:00] <Keizer> How can I execute the command to edit the network settings?
[07:01] <aLiAsYnOnYm> Burgundavia : and that's it ?? hmm, sounds nice..
[07:01] <akk> No, it says firefox.  Shrug.  I guess fvwm and probably icewm don't need these props, whatever they are.  Maybe it's just ion.
[07:01] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: sorry I cannot help you
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> everyone else seeing openoffice.org broken on amd64 systems suddenly? anyone know what changed - I should pay more attention to my updates :)
[07:03] <zooko> mine works.  i haven't upgraded it recently.  oops -- i think i removed it yesterday so now i might be in trouble...
[07:09] <Keizer> I'm going to give Ubuntu one last install attempt.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> hmmm.
[07:10] <rosco> hi
[07:10] <Pluk> hi rosco
[07:11] <rosco> Is it already possible to boot the hoary preview (64)  on a plextor sata drd rewriter ?
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> anything, is possible ;p
[07:11] <rosco> I remember that a file should be modified and recompiled for  sata dvd to work
[07:12] <rosco> kernel in fact
[07:13] <nasdaq7> hi does anyone know how to open .wpd files?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> serial ata dvd? they make those?
[07:15] <flyingsquirrel54> okay, I'm brand new to debian based installs. trying to get synaptic to ease the pain. need XML:: Parser first. when I told Perl to install it, it lead me through a long list of options I did the best I can, but now it fails to compile
[07:16] <rosco> yes, but they are'nt fully recognized on linux, I should recompile the kernel, but it's hard to do it if the system isn't installed before
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> WPD = Document; PFS:WindowWorks, - i would try openoffice or abiword
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> flyingsquirrel54,  hmm... synaptic needs that?
[07:16] <flyingsquirrel54> the problem is that the list of errors is so long I can see where the train left the track so to speak
[07:17] <flyingsquirrel54> that's what it told me
[07:17] <Kamion> flyingsquirrel54: try installing the libxml-parser-perl package
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> i dont revcall ever needing to install that stuff :P just apt-get install synaptic  should download all ya need.
[07:17] <flyingsquirrel54> ok from apt-get, right?
[07:17] <Kamion> flyingsquirrel54: yes
[07:18] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: he was trying to use synaptic to get it, not trying to get it in order to use synaptic :)
[07:18] <lizdeika_> to be removed: libc6-i686, ubuntu-base. Is this OK ?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Kamion,  lol :P
[07:18] <Kamion> lizdeika_: no, glibc's broken
[07:18] <lizdeika_> so better not dist-upgrade ?
[07:18] <Kamion> indeed
[07:19] <Kamion> it's been brought to the uploader's attention
[07:20] <o8b> greetings
[07:20] <o8b> can anyone tell me where i can bind packages for ubuntu
[07:21] <o8b> sorry find not bing
[07:21] <o8b> bid
[07:21] <o8b> bind
[07:21] <shinu> xD
[07:22] <spiral> ouah... no updates today ?
[07:22] <kevman> Hey, when I try to make something, I get this error: "configure: error: Can't find X includes""
[07:22] <kevman> I assume I need to get the x develop package, but I don't know what package to get
[07:23] <VladDrac> but ubuntu's lost all the karma it gained by running so smoothly on my laptop :(
[07:23] <shinu> is hoary that bad?
[07:23] <akk> kevman: apt-get build-dep for a similar X package should get all the X headers and other development requirements.
[07:23] <VladDrac> hoary is great
[07:24] <VladDrac> but the howto on the website saying a migration from sarge to hoary is possible should ber emoved
[07:24] <Burgundavia> VladDrac: can it be fixed>
[07:24] <shinu> ah...
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ?
[07:24] <shinu> see what you mean
[07:24] <VladDrac> burgundavia: I didn't manage to - my fix is a reinstall (and losing my system configuration in the process)
[07:24] <kevman> akk, what would the command be? I don't understand you.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> VladDrac: right
[07:25] <Burgundavia> VladDrac: at least one other person had that
[07:25] <akk> kevman: What are you trying to build?
[07:25] <kevman> Just a KDE theme
[07:25] <akk> kevman: Do you have any other kde themes already installed?
[07:26] <kevman> No, I just got KDE a few hours ago.
[07:26] <apokryphos> Check into #kubuntu
[07:26] <kevman> I think I got it...
[07:26] <akk> kevman: Try something like: apt-get build-dep kde-icons-crystal
[07:27] <akk> kevman: using any kde theme package name.  That should get all the build requirements.
[07:27] <kevman> Well, I'm fetching xlibs-dev now... We'll see of that works
[07:28] <robertj> http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/ <-- Finally, pages to go alogn with the swfs on Rob's hall of Grumpyness ;)
[07:29] <mdz> er
[07:29] <apokryphos> heh
[07:30] <robertj> mdz: how many of those gripes go to Ubuntu bugzilla and how many to gnome?
[07:31] <mdz> robertj: what gripes?
[07:31] <Anubis> kubuntu is the dumbest shit I have ever heard
[07:31] <robertj> http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/ has a list of 4 complete with swf, there pretty self explanatory
[07:31] <Anubis> when you can obviously install KDE on Ubuntu?
[07:31] <mdz> Anubis: easy, now
[07:32] <Kamion> Anubis: it's thanks to the Kubuntu guys that KDE is maintained/supported on Ubuntu
[07:32] <kevman> Well, now I need Qt, but of course can't figurew out the package name
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> I agree with Kamion
[07:32] <mdz> Kubuntu and "KDE on Ubuntu" are essentially the same project
[07:32] <DarthFrog> Anubis: It's a proper word in Bemba, one of the Bantu languages.  Means, "to humanity".
[07:32] <akk> kevman: You know about apt-cache search and aptitude search?
[07:32] <robertj> Kubuntu is a very boring project, but I don't have any problems with it
[07:33] <neiras> Anubis, GNOME gets a lot of extra love from the Ubuntu team to make it work well... KDE folks just wanted to let people know that they're doing the same for KDE
[07:33] <neiras> I think having a separate distro name is stupid
[07:33] <appleseed> are there any good tools for configuring postfix?
[07:33] <DarthFrog> appleseed: Have a look at Webmin.
[07:33] <kevman> akk, Yes, but they are aall like documentations and tools for developing.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> webmin is  Handy at times.
[07:33] <appleseed> DarthFrog, does it run on ubuntu though? I've heard there's problems with it
[07:33] <lamont> appleseed: there's a webmin module, but I've never used it
[07:34] <lamont> appleseed: fwiw, I use vi...
[07:34] <ytrabbit> Hey Ubuntians! What's going on?
[07:34] <appleseed> lamont, for postfix config?
[07:34] <kevman> libqt3-dev?
[07:34] <neiras> Does anyone know what the "autorun programs on newly inserted media" option in gnome-volume-manager actually runs?
[07:34] <akk> kevman: Adding a "| grep dev" to the end of the search line is often appropriate when you're trying to find development headers.
[07:34] <DarthFrog> appleseed: I'm not aware of that.  I don't see why there should be any problems, other than the lack of a root password, though.  So if you enable a root password, I would think it would run OK.
[07:35] <appleseed> DarthFrog, thanks, i'll have a go
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> enable the root password - befor installing webmin
[07:35] <robertj> mdz: did you take a looksy?
[07:35] <mdz> robertj: no, I cannot look at it right now
[07:35] <mdz> I have about 3 days of work to do today :-)
[07:35] <Skid> anyone know if asterisk is in any warty backports? I dont wanna update to horay
[07:36] <shai_> help..?
[07:36] <akk> kevman: Those qt and gtk packages do tend to proliferate, so anything like dev that you can give grep to make the list smaller can help in searching ...
[07:36] <crimsun> Skid: why not?
[07:36] <shai_> k3b won't recognize my burner as a burner, only as a drive
[07:36] <DarthFrog> appleseed: And remember that webmin runs in https mode, even for localhost.  As I just found out. :-)
[07:36] <Skid> crimsun: in case something breaks? :)
[07:36] <kevman> akk, I think I found the right package... libqt3-dev
[07:36] <crimsun> Skid: you're more likely to hit breakage in a backport
[07:36] <appleseed> DarthFrog, cheers :)
[07:36] <Skid> seeing as it's only a preview atm
[07:37] <crimsun> Skid: eh, we hit release candidate in 1 week
[07:37] <neighbordude> is anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))
[07:37] <lamont> appleseed: yes.
[07:37] <lamont> but I also happen to be the maintainer...
[07:37] <InitMass> anyone who play games in linux?
[07:37] <Skid> crimsun: yep, but it doesn't definately mean it's stable :)
[07:37] <shai_> I tried to config the writer address is the CDrom address (which is the same one!) but he won't let me
[07:38] <Skid> I've got a load of uni work to do, and I need it done asap on a working laptop heh
[07:38] <crimsun> Skid: been fairly stable for me.  What of your experiences?  Oh wait, that's right...
[07:38] <neighbordude> InitMass, all the time ;-)
[07:38] <Skid> ..
[07:38] <shai_> anyone? please?
[07:38] <shai_> it's kinda urgent
[07:39] <crimsun> Skid: (the best way to help stabilise is of course to help test ;)
[07:39] <InitMass> neighbordude, i like rise of nations....any thing like that for linux?
[07:39] <Skid> crimsun: well I'm not that 'comfortable' yet, I'm still learning
[07:39] <shai_> ...
[07:39] <Skid> hence why I was in here asking for help, not sarcasm
[07:40] <crimsun> Skid: I'm not throwing sarcasm at you, I'm honestly asking you to consider trying Hoary.
[07:40] <refluxx> is it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?
[07:40] <neighbordude> InitMass, yes sorta
[07:40] <crimsun> shai_: what device is your cdr{w}?
[07:40] <neighbordude> InitMass, there is that new one called 'glest'
[07:40] <drspin> quick question --
[07:40] <apokryphos7> Skid: Warty is *very* dated application-wise. Security fixes etc will still happen to Warty for the 18 months of its life, but Hoary has all the new stuff.
[07:40] <chillywilly> lalala
[07:41] <drspin> killall -9 grip doesn't kill grip :/
[07:41] <shai_> dev/hdd
[07:41] <InitMass> neighbordude, i'll chech that out! any other?
[07:41] <neighbordude> InitMass, there's another one whose name escapes me..look up real time strategy I guess at happypenguin.org
[07:41] <Skid> hm
[07:41] <crimsun> drspin: what process state is the grip process in?
[07:41] <drspin> crimsun: ??
[07:41] <rapha> FUCK!!! /opt/novell/ifolder3 $ sudo rm -rf bin include lib share /usr/ ... DAMNIT
[07:41] <neighbordude> InitMass, I want to say its made by summer games or something weird like that..been long time so I could be way offf..just search for real time strategy
[07:41] <crimsun> drspin: ps auxww|grep grip|grep -v grep
[07:41] <neighbordude> l8r
[07:42] <shai_> crimsun... do you know what should I do?
[07:42] <crimsun> shai_: can you burn using cdrecord directly?
[07:42] <shai_> I don't even know how to check that...
[07:42] <drspin> crimsun: cole     24685  0.0  2.7 42524 14172 ?       D    01:21   0:05 grip
[07:42] <drspin> crimsun: cole     32049  0.0  1.5 18920 7740 ?        D    10:27   0:00 grip
[07:42] <drspin> crimsun: cole       670  0.0  0.1  1820  568 pts/0    S+   11:42   0:00 grep grip
[07:42] <Skid> where's the page with updating to horay info? - just altering the sources list?
[07:42] <apokryphos7> shai_: man cdrecord
[07:42] <shai_> can it record a cd image?
[07:42] <crimsun> shai_: i.e., sudo cdrecord -dao dev=/dev/hdd foo.iso
[07:42] <apokryphos7> Pyre: tell Skid ubuhoary
[07:42] <Pyre> Skid: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[07:43] <Skid> ta
[07:43] <crimsun> shai_: k3b uses cdrecord as its backend
[07:43] <shai_> thanks...
[07:43] <InitMass> neighbordude, thanx
[07:43] <refluxx> is it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?
[07:43] <zooko> Argh.  I built 2.6.10+ubuntupatches, using kernel-package, and for the .config I did this:
[07:44] <crimsun> drspin: right, so your grip processes are in uninterruptible sleep.  Is your hardware faulty?
[07:44] <zooko> zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make oldconfig
[07:45] <drspin> crimsun: ?? I don't think so -- I don't have any other problems
[07:45] <zooko> Now when I boot to this kernel, it panics saying it can't boot the root fs.
[07:45] <zooko> How can this be?
[07:45] <drspin> crimsun: I also never had a problem ripping cd's in the *other* OS
[07:46] <jeanjean> how can i restart the fstab file ?
[07:46] <Skid> what'st eh horay-updates repositry for?
[07:46] <drspin> jeanjean: what are you trying to do?
[07:46] <jeanjean> just mount ntfs file
[07:46] <crimsun> Skid: nothing yet, since Hoary hasn't released :-)
[07:46] <jeanjean> but i want to try the new fstab file
[07:46] <Skid> so what's a rc then?
[07:46] <Skid> pre-release type thing?
[07:47] <jeanjean> how can i restart without reboting
[07:47] <crimsun> Skid: "release candidate"
[07:47] <crimsun> Skid: i.e., "nearly there"
[07:47] <drspin> jeanjean: just sudo mount /mount/point should run that line
[07:47] <Skid> ij
[07:47] <Skid> ok
[07:47] <shai_> K, the it works
[07:47] <shai_> thanks :)
[07:47] <Skid> and can i change multiverse to universe? so i dont take the non-free softwrae/
[07:47] <Skid> ware
[07:47] <crimsun> drspin: what does dmesg tell you concerning your cdrom?
[07:47] <netventure> bye room
[07:47] <crimsun> Skid: just don't uncomment the multiverse line :-)
[07:48] <Skid> but if I want extra packages tat are in the universe rep, I can just add it  yep?
[07:48] <apokryphos> Skid: you'll want to remove "multiverse" in the first two repos there
[07:48] <lizdeika_> i was thinking and thinking.. but i finally cant remember a broken package on ubuntu :) libc6 is first ? :)
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: hdd: command error: error=0x54
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 512
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 128
[07:48] <Skid> ya
[07:48] <Skid> kk
[07:48] <crimsun> zooko: from where did you get /proc/config.gz?  That option isn't enabled in Ubuntu kernels; instead, use /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:48] <Skid> ta
[07:48] <zooko> crimsun: it isn't ?
[07:48] <shai_> say, is there any param letting me see percentage?
[07:48] <_d4vid> hi all
[07:49] <jeanjean> drspin: how can i acces mount points with any user ?
[07:49] <zooko> KERN yumyum:~$ zdiff /proc/config.gz /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8
[07:49] <zooko> KERN yumyum:~$
[07:49] <crimsun> drspin: there you have it.
[07:49] <zooko> That shows that the contents are the same.
[07:49] <drspin> jeanjean: umask=000
[07:49] <zooko> Which makes me think that option *is* enabledf in ubuntu kernels.  ;-)
[07:49] <jeanjean> ok thx
[07:49] <crimsun> zooko: not in 2.6.10-5-686*
[07:50] <andril> does anyone know how to get rid of items on the menu?
[07:50] <zooko> KERN yumyum:~$ grep IKCONFIG /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8
[07:50] <zooko> CONFIG_IKCONFIG=y
[07:50] <zooko> CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y
[07:50] <drspin> crimsun: so how can I kill those grip processes?
[07:50] <zooko> Anyway, this shows that the .config I used to build is identical to the config that was already booted...
[07:51] <gsuveg> re
[07:51] <zooko> So my inability to mount the root fs must lie elsewhere than the kernel config...
[07:51] <crimsun> zooko: the config isn't the important part.  Did you build the initrd?
[07:51] <gsuveg> anyone use tightvncserver ? me dont works under hoary.
[07:51] <zooko> crimsun: I just did "make-kpkg" to build a .deb then ran dpkg -i ./the.deb.
[07:51] <shai_> is it supposed to look like nothing happens?
[07:51] <zooko> I don't know what initrd is, I'm afraid.
[07:51] <crimsun> zooko: so you didn't pass --initrd ?
[07:51] <zooko> crimsun: no.
[07:52] <zooko> pass --initrd to make-kpkg ?
[07:52] <crimsun> zooko: Ubuntu kernels use initrds.  If you didn't create one for your kernel, but you used the same config, then that's where the issue lies.
[07:52] <zooko> crimsun: Thanks a lot!  :-)
[07:52] <crimsun> drspin: reboot.  You can't kill processes in 'D' state.
[07:53] <zooko> By default, I assume you know what you are doing, and I
[07:53] <zooko> apologize for being so annoying. Should I abort[Ny] ?
[07:53] <zooko> heh heh heh
[07:54] <drspin> crimsun: what could be causing this?? aside from faulty hardware...
[07:55] <crimsun> drspin: sometimes bad media can do that
[07:55] <drspin> crimsun: hmmm --- they are a low-budget band ;)
[07:55] <drspin> crimsun: and I don't have any problems with most other cd's
[07:56] <Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> anybody else having problems with locales?
[07:56] <crimsun> drspin: might try modprobe -r ide-cd, reinsert it, turn dma on, reseat the cd, and try again
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: I'm fairly certain you'll have to reboot, though
[07:57] <drspin> crimsun: yup - ide-cd is in use... arghhhh --- thanks for your help!
[07:58] <drspin> be back later
[08:00] <flyingsquirrel54> Is synaptic installed with warthog by default?
[08:01] <rapha> flyingsquirrel54: yes
[08:02] <flyingsquirrel54> rapha: I just spent the longest trying to install it. how do I run it?
[08:02] <rapha> flyingsquirrel54: Well, it should be somewhere in the menu
[08:02] <rapha> Haven't used Warty in months
[08:02] <flyingsquirrel54> can't find it.
[08:03] <rapha> type "synaptic" into a terminal then
[08:03] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, it's somewhere under "Computer"
[08:03] <tritium> (a submenu of it)
[08:03] <tritium> I too haven't used Warty in months
[08:03] <setite> zenrox
[08:04] <flyingsquirrel54> yup, computer>System config>synaptic thanks
[08:04] <flyingsquirrel54> I was looking under apps
[08:04] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, :)
[08:07] <lindo> hey guys, could anyone help me, im having trouble setting up x.org
[08:08] <Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?
[08:09] <appleseed> anyone seen the mplayerhq.hu page? i just had a shock
[08:10] <CarlK_> appleseed - been that way for a few weeks
[08:10] <CarlK_> shocked me too
[08:11] <appleseed> CarlK_, ahh right
[08:11] <TjaBBe> Maybe its just some way to make people aware...
[08:12] <TjaBBe> ...of what the consequences of software patenting will be I mean...
[08:13] <crweb> is it possible to install kde 3.4 in ubuntu?
[08:14] <klaym> hello! I'm using warty without super user rights by default (although I am the main user of this computer), and I'd like to move files to usr/lib. When I drag and drop, I get an error that I have no right to do it. How do I get this right? (it's awkward to do things via terminal using sudo)
[08:15] <DarthFrog> crweb: Yes.  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <DarthFrog> crweb: Or use Synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <crweb> DarthFrog: ok, thanks
[08:15] <crweb> DarthFrog: i just wanted to make sure before i installed :)
[08:15] <mjr> klaym, you don't want to move files to /usr/lib, really
[08:15] <DarthFrog> crweb: I'm running it right now.  You could also install Kubuntu from CD.
[08:16] <klaym> mjr: why not?
[08:16] <crweb> DarthFrog: ok...   any idea's on if i'm going to like kubuntu? as I seem to be a total gentoo fanatic
[08:16] <crweb> err, i ment ubuntu
[08:16] <mjr> klaym, bad idea maintainability-wise
[08:17] <klaym> I'm trying to install a program that came as a .gz file, and it has folders named 'usr' 'lib' 'etc' and I guess I should place those files into adequate folders
[08:17] <mjr> klaym, besides, /usr/lib is for proper packages basically, /usr/local/lib is more for self-installed stuff
[08:17] <njan> heya, zeedo
[08:17] <DarthFrog> crweb: Ubuntu is a superb desktop Debian, runs Gnome by default.  If you dislike Debian, you might not like Gnome.
[08:17] <DarthFrog> crweb: Er, Ubuntu, not Gnome.
[08:18] <DarthFrog> klaym: Does it have an install file?
[08:18] <crweb> DarthFrog: i don't dislike debian,  it def. works and gets the job done.  Just some little things that get on my nerves.
[08:18] <DarthFrog> klaym: It's somewhat unlikely that you should have to do that stuff manually.
[08:18] <mjr> klaym, anyway, to answer your question, you can say "sudo nautilus", and have a root nautilus. But still a bad idea.
[08:19] <DarthFrog> crweb: Well, approach Ubuntu with an open mind.  Read the manifesto, first.  See if you agree with it.
[08:19] <klaym> it's Ganim8 that I'm trying to install. the .gz only has a bin -folder and a usr -folder
[08:19] <sgtstadanko> has anyone been able to get the exchange connector working in 5.04 preview
[08:20] <bwlang> klaym: let me encourage you NOT to start putting files all over the place... that's why you have a package manger.  Turn it into a deb.  Or use stow if you must.
[08:20] <tritium> sgtstadanko, I haven't yet, and I'm doing daily updates, so I've got newer than just the preview
[08:21] <sgtstadanko> tritium, yeah the exchange storage just dies everytime I try and connect
[08:21] <tritium> same here
[08:22] <DarthFrog> klaym: And if you absolutely insist on doing it by hand, put them in /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/bin, instead.
[08:22] <neiras> I think klaym's problem is, he is thinking in the "Windows" way - that is, "to install something I just unpack it and drop it in a folder somewhere"
[08:23] <drspin> crimsun, going through dmesg after my reboot I see a couple interesting things... "ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later"
[08:24] <jeanjean> what's a good mp3 player for ubuntu
[08:24] <gsuveg> xmms
[08:24] <jeanjean> xmms hang on plaing mp3 from ntfs data disk
[08:24] <Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool?
[08:24] <keffo> whats your recommended app using.. like an replacement for windows daemontools
[08:24] <jeanjean> Uboo: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:25] <Zotnix> keffo, mount
[08:25] <keffo> guess theres some problem with safedisc etc
[08:25] <drspin> crimsun, I also noticed that the kernel is assuming 33mhz bus :( ew! I'm going to fix that and brb
[08:26] <keizer> CarlK_, Beep
[08:26] <keizer> I'm in Ubuntu finally
[08:26] <keizer> I had to download the x11 packages with Aptitude and blam it works
[08:26] <klaym> ok thank you people. I'll try to find a way to install it
[08:26] <keizer> I'm not sure how much hacking i'll need to do to get the wireless network to work.
[08:26] <bwlang> jeanjean: i'm liking amarok... it's one of the full featured ones.
[08:26] <keizer> I'm online with Ethernet right now.
[08:26] <apokryphos> bwlang: Yup, it's great. :)
[08:26] <lucas_> hello
[08:27] <apokryphos> Hi
[08:27] <lucas_> i vane problems with my printer, who cen help me?
[08:28] <lucas_> i've installed ubuntu and almost everything is fine but my printer doesn't work
[08:29] <akk> What's ubuntu's printer configuration app, anyway?
[08:29] <akk> The CUPS admin page (html) doesn't seem to work.
[08:29] <keffo> no hoary updates today?
[08:29] <akk> and printconf isn't installed on hoary, so there must be another app that does something similar.
[08:29] <neiras> akk - using GNOME?
[08:30] <lucas_> i use gnome
[08:30] <lucas_> and ther is something like System Configuration --> printing
[08:30] <akk> neiras: No, not currently.  But in gnome the admin menus don't work anyway (apparently there's some problem with the gtk sudo?)
[08:30] <neiras> They work fine for everyone in the office here
[08:31] <lucas_> but when i'm trying to get there, it's impossible
[08:31] <neiras> Under Hoary
[08:31] <akk> neiras: I talked to someone last night, and apparently there's a known bug, since fixed (but I haven't dist-upgraded yet)
[08:31] <keffo> no hoary updates today?
[08:31] <lucas_> something wrond with cups server or something like that
[08:31] <saax> hello i have a .deb file and cant open it HELP
[08:32] <akk> neiras: All the apps worked if I called them up by hand from a root shell, just not from the menus or gksudo
[08:32] <akk> neiras: But finding the right app to run isn't always obvious.
[08:32] <typo> how do I force apt to install a version that's a downgrade?
[08:33] <alexwillmer> good evening all, on Warty libqt-dev and other libraries seem not to provide .so symlinks without the major version eg I have /usr/lib/libqt.so.3 but not /usr/lib/libqt.so, Is this by design?
[08:33] <lucas_> The CUPS server could not be contacted - that is showning when i try to get there
[08:34] <alexwillmer> saax, how are you trying to open the deb?
[08:35] <klaym> can anyone recommend an animation program from ubuntu repositories?
[08:36] <gsuveg> klaym: what like anymation ? blender ?
[08:36] <aj1> anyone out there networking a mac with their linux box?
[08:36] <desrt> aj1; i have 3 macs that run linux
[08:37] <klaym> just to stitch together photos, set the framerate and compile as mpg
[08:37] <klaym> and add sound
[08:37] <desrt> oh.  not what you want.  nm
[08:37] <alexwillmer> klaym: mplayer might be able to do that, one sec
[08:38] <Lfreeze> hey hey
[08:38] <thundrcleeze> hi
[08:38] <aj1> desrt: looking for some help getting my ibook to see beige box
[08:38] <Lfreeze> does anyone happen to know the default root password for hoary hedgehog?
[08:38] <keffo> Lfreeze, there is no
[08:38] <keffo> set one yourself
[08:38] <thundrcleeze> yes, nothing
[08:38] <Quinn_Storm> Lfreeze: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:38] <keffo> sudo passwd
[08:39] <Lfreeze> no superuser account?
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> or just sudo everything, that's the default behavior
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> so rather than su to run synaptic, just "sudo synaptic" and enter your user password.
[08:40] <alexwillmer> klaym: transcode can do, it's almost certainly in the repositories: use im import filter
[08:40] <keffo> he can just do sudo passwd etc
[08:40] <Lfreeze> tops... got it...
[08:40] <apokryphos> Or, better -- don't use terminal at all. Use gksudo or kdesu from Alt + F2
[08:40] <klaym> alexwillmer: thanks, will try
[08:40] <alexwillmer> http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Import_Modules/Import_Imlist
[08:41] <Lfreeze> thanks.
[08:42] <typo> does hoary support alcatel usb dsl modems?
[08:43] <piranha> hola
[08:43] <piranha> alguien tiene sintonizadora tv pixelviuw
[08:44] <vaticano> oigan se puede instalar un servidor de paginas web desde ubuntu???
[08:45] <typo> is upgrading sid to hoary a good idea or should I install from scratch without overwriting /home?
[08:45] <apokryphos> typo: It is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories.
[08:45] <apokryphos> Several have encountered problems though; it's worth searching the site to see those.
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: question, once hoary goes gold and a new dev branch opens up, will it be easy to switch sources over and keep tracking the most recent packages?
[08:46] <Anubis> I have a mp3 on my desktop
[08:46] <Anubis> but there is no icon for it?
[08:46] <Anubis> I don't even see it
[08:46] <typo> apokryphos: reinstalling is probably a better idea then
[08:46] <Anubis> wtf is going wrong with my system?
[08:46] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: switch sources to what exaclty? The new dev branch?
[08:46] <apokryphos> typo: certainly, yes.
[08:46] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: same as it was when warty released; you'll be able to do it, though it'll be very very unstable for a while
[08:47] <Anubis> ubuntu has been working well for me
[08:47] <alexwillmer> Anubis: you mean that yo have an mp3 file, but nothing will play it and the icon is just something plain?
[08:47] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: yeah
[08:47] <apokryphos> To Grumpy, yes. :D
[08:47] <b00gie> Anubis, try ctrl+r
[08:47] <Anubis> but all of a sudden
[08:47] <Quinn_Storm> grumpy? oh, has the new one been named?
[08:47] <Anubis> alexwillmer, no
[08:47] <Anubis> b00gie, thanks
[08:47] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: yes, but it won't be "grumpy"
[08:47] <apokryphos> oh?
[08:47] <Anubis> b00gie, how come clean up by name did not refresh?
[08:48] <flyingsquirrel54> Is there a way I can make gnome show a folder I open in the same window
[08:48] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: what will it be?
[08:48] <thundrcleeze> yes, flyingsquirrel54
[08:48] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm,apokryphos: apparently neither of you read the ubuntu-announce list ;)
[08:48] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I should but I don't
[08:48] <Kamion> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[08:48] <apokryphos> Kamion: only recently subscribed.
[08:48] <b00gie> Anubis, i dont think that refresh the desktop
[08:49] <apokryphos> Kamakazie: Breezy. I like it better. ;-)
[08:49] <flyingsquirrel54> thundrcleeze: how??
[08:49] <thundrcleeze> I'm trying to remember, I think it might be in the ubuntu guide.  I'll check.
[08:49] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/133.html
[08:50] <holycow> hey guys, i'm running the gubuntu 2.10 live cd... theoretically the user name and pass are 'ubuntu', and i assumed the root pass is 'ubuntu' as well but ...
[08:50] <thundrcleeze> flyingsquirrel54, http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindownautilus
[08:50] <holycow> when i log out i cannot login with ubuntu/ubuntu, and i certainly cannnot su - to root with ubuntu pass
[08:50] <holycow> anyone else run into this?
[08:50] <setite> zenrox you there
[08:50] <Quinn_Storm> holycow: ubuntu doesn't have a root pass.
[08:51] <Quinn_Storm> holycow: it uses sudo by default
[08:51] <Kamion> the user's password on the live CD is disabled; if you managed to log out such that you got asked for it, that's a bug
[08:51] <apokryphos> Kamion: I'm a little confused. Just what si Grumpy, then?
[08:51] <Kamion> apokryphos: an old codename for 5.10
[08:51] <apokryphos> *is
[08:51] <setite> anyone know where i can get point2play-small
[08:51] <apokryphos> ah
[08:52] <Kamion> apokryphos: grumpy will be used for another project, eventually
[08:52] <holycow> oh!
[08:52] <holycow> Quinn_Storm, danke
[08:52] <setite> Ubuntu Grumpy Griffin
[08:52] <Quinn_Storm> lol...a grumpy griffin...that's a good image
[08:52] <apokryphos> Kamion: I think I'll update the wiki with that.
[08:52] <setite> yup
[08:52] <thundrcleeze> I thought it was grumpy groundhog.
[08:53] <apokryphos> with Breezy note, that is.
[08:53] <Kamion> apokryphos: please do, yes
[08:53] <setite> ground hog
[08:53] <Kamion> thundrcleeze: it *was*
[08:53] <setite> no mroe hogs!!!!
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> When did it change?
[08:53] <Kamion> thundrcleeze: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[08:53] <HelloWorld> hi guys
[08:53] <setite> down with the hogs!
[08:53] <HelloWorld> what happened to boot-admin, from gnome-system-tools?
[08:53] <setite> griffons rock... groundhocks... dont
[08:53] <setite> hogs*
[08:53] <HelloWorld> help files are present, the backends are present, the .glade file is there too
[08:54] <HelloWorld> but there is no "boot-admin" executable
[08:54] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[08:54] <flyingsquirrel54> awsome!!!! BTW I used thundrcleeze's info nice and simple the way I like it!
[08:54] <Einzelganger> Can someone confirm that in totem-xine, the following url makes totem take 100% cpu, and the buttons don't react anymore, while xine (from xine-ui) plays fine: http://streams.planet.nl/cgi-bin/reflector.cgi?source=195.121.7.100&stream=TKStream3&title=Tweede%20Kamer%20der%20Staten-Generaal
[08:54] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks all.
[08:56] <thundrcleeze> you're welcome, flyingsquirrel54
[08:56] <zane> I m running ubuntu at the moment and trying to get kubuntu through apt-get.. when i type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, i get an error.. its says cant find package kubuntu-desktop.. any ideas?
[08:56] <apokryphos> zane: are you on warty?
[08:57] <zane> yes.. i have ubutu 4.10
[08:57] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell zane ubukde
[08:57] <Pyre> zane: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[08:57] <HelloWorld> i am on hoary, and i have no UI to manage grub
[08:57] <apokryphos> zane: That should explain it all.
[08:57] <zane> oh.. thanx man
[08:58] <apokryphos> np :)
[09:00] <vaticano> donde encuentro manuales de ubuntu???
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> I'm running hoary, and when I try to use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop as descriped in the wiki, it want to remove xserver-xfree86, is that safe?
[09:01] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: it'll install xserver-xorg. Yes, it's fine.
[09:01] <Quinn_Storm> thundrcleeze: you should be using xserver-xorg, so yeah its fine
[09:01] <b00gie> thundrcleeze hoary use xorg by default
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> Of course.
[09:02] <faux_> is inotify enabled by default in the newest ubuntu kernelns, or is it still disabled?
[09:02] <flyingsquirrel54> where can one find ubuntu manuals?
[09:02] <Tycho451> Where is the "at" key (like in every email address)? It used to be CTRL+ALT+Q in Windows.
[09:03] <DarthFrog> flyingsquirrel54: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:03] <apokryphos> flyingsquirrel54: the Wiki in general is very very useful.
[09:03] <flyingsquirrel54> vaticano: aqui esta su respuesta: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:04] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks, I did a little translating there :)
[09:04] <PacoBCN> so, what's up?
[09:04] <JDahl> after I installed Hoary Preview instead of Debian on my work machine network speed has dropped alot. Now I get transfer rates of around 60-70kb/s over lan. Ifconfig shows 1029 errors out of 224000 transmitted packages and 21500 collisions - that's not bad, is it?
[09:05] <PacoBCN> I finally found a CMS for what I needed and can be back to the chat :)
[09:05] <whitti> How do I switch sound capibility from my onboard sound to a Creative sound card?
[09:05] <Keizer> This Ubuntu is kinda tight
[09:05] <whitti> (in warty)
[09:05] <Keizer> I like it
[09:06] <Fl-i-nT> hi all
[09:06] <whitti> Hiya
[09:06] <thundrcleeze> hi
[09:07] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, yeah good evening you alright?
[09:08] <drspin> crimsun: I was using bad hdparm options for my drive (d1u1c1) -- oops!
[09:09] <aj1> anyone know of a good jukebox app? music players ripping cd's at 2x...
[09:09] <CarlK_> man rsync says "rsync  [OPTION] ... SRC [SRC] ..." but I can't get multiple SRC's working: http://www.sql-servers.com/nopaste/?show=1787
[09:09] <Fl-i-nT> aj1 xmms?
[09:10] <holycow> well i gotta say, this ubuntu/gnome 2.10 live cd is a pleasure
[09:10] <holycow> i love have a pure debian/gnome environment for system recovery
[09:11] <aj1> Fl-i-nT: yeah it's an oldie but goodie
[09:11] <aj1> was wondering if there's a new sheriff in town
[09:11] <Fl-i-nT> aj1, sorry abit uneducated i dont knmow!
[09:11] <apokryphos> query Pyre
[09:13] <alexwillmer> is there an Ubuntu equivalent to rpm --whatprovides /some/file which discovers the package which installed a given file?
[09:13] <typo> what's the kernel version in hoary?
[09:14] <crimsun> drspin: zing!  That would certainly do it.
[09:14] <apokryphos> typo: 2.6.10
[09:14] <drspin> crimsun: thanks for the help :)
[09:14] <crimsun> np
[09:14] <typo> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[09:14] <drspin> why is one of my CD drives "blacklisted"??
[09:14] <typo> apokryphos: how about S3/S4 suspend, is it supported?
[09:15] <souki> alexwillmer: dpkg -S /blabla/bla
[09:15] <apokryphos> typo: no idea
[09:15] <alexwillmer> souki, cheers
[09:16] <Uboo> I've run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it my preferable setting was 1600x1200@75, but even then after I restart xorg, the refresh rate is still at 60. What do I do? The xorg.conf seems to be right and had VertRefresh 50-85. Using the config tool doesn't help because it only gives me 60Hz as an option.
[09:16] <typo> apokryphos: do ubuntu kernels have ipw2100 installed?
[09:16] <whitti> I have a question regarding sound in Warty: How can I switch between the onboard sound and a Creative sound card?
[09:17] <thundrcleeze> Is there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?
[09:17] <apokryphos> typo: No idea again; I really don't know anything about Ubu's kernel. Might be worth checking on the Wiki.
[09:17] <souki> typo: ipw2100 yes
[09:18] <thundrcleeze> Uboo, to get it to work for me, I had to delete the vertrefresh and horizrefresh lines from the xorg config.
[09:18] <Uboo> I'll try that. Thanks.
[09:19] <thundrcleeze> Uboo: (make a backup first)
[09:19] <Uboo> Of course. ;)
[09:20] <zooko> What, if anything, does Ubuntu use kernel capabilities for?
[09:20] <typo> apokryphos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM, looks like it does
[09:20] <typo> souki: thanks
[09:20] <zooko> (Yes, I've gotten my custom kernel to boot, so now I have this problem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelDoesNotSupportCapabilities)
[09:20] <saax> any1 know how to install fluxbox ?' please help
[09:21] <typo> does anyone know if there are any plans to support WPA/802.11x (wireless security) integrated with gnome?
[09:22] <andril> bay all
[09:22] <Laivin> anyone know why after a fresh install of 4.10, it displays all the startup stuff fine, but then when it should show the login screen, it is either just black, a light shade of brown over the whole screen, or white?
[09:23] <Uboo> Can I run Konqueror on Gnome?
[09:23] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:23] <Seveas> Uboo, yes
[09:23] <marcin_ant> I still got problems with printer
[09:24] <Uboo> Seveas: How do I set it as my default file browser then?
[09:24] <Seveas> dunno
[09:24] <Seveas> but you can use it :)
[09:24] <Uboo> Thanks anyway.
[09:24] <marcin_ant> and still printer sharing is unresolved
[09:24] <marcin_ant> but today I got all hardware on my desktop
[09:24] <Uboo> Are there any good alternatives to nautilus designed for gnome?
[09:25] <marcin_ant> and I really would like to make this working
[09:25] <Seveas> why not use nautilus?
[09:25] <marcin_ant> so my problem is
[09:25] <thundrcleeze> Is there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?
[09:25] <marcin_ant> that I have two desktops with ubuntu and there is a printer connected to let's call "ubuntu1"
[09:25] <amir_> Hey, why does the update icon always fails my root login on hoary?
[09:25] <Uboo> Seveas: Because I can't get it to work how I want it to. I want it to use the webpage view but not have that annoying toolbar.
[09:25] <marcin_ant> and I would like to share this printer to "ubuntu2"
[09:25] <amir_> s/fails/fail/
[09:26] <marcin_ant> could someone help me with this?
[09:26] <Seveas> amir_, use YOUR login, it uses gksudo
[09:26] <amir_> seveas, oops.. sorry about that. thanks!
[09:27] <amir_> do the marillat mplayer sources install well on ubuntu?
[09:27] <marcin_ant> any ubuntu user with shared printer on this channel?
[09:27] <zooko> amir_: I use mplayer from marillat on ubuntu.  64 bit, too.
[09:27] <amir_> zooko, wow, cool.
[09:28] <amir_> im using an amd64 install as well.
[09:28] <theantix> marcin_ant, I have tried and failed to get it working reliably
[09:28] <marcin_ant> theantix: with cups?
[09:29] <bwlang> anybody know how to modify a pdf file... i need to rotate pages and remove some pages... freshmeat has nothing for "pdf edit"
[09:29] <pv_> pdfjam
[09:30] <theantix> marcin_ant,  with gnome-cups-manager on warty
[09:30] <marcin_ant> theantix: I see
[09:30] <marcin_ant> theantix: then question
[09:30] <marcin_ant> theantix: you had to add network printers?
[09:31] <marcin_ant> theantix: or maybe shared printers in lan are discovered automagically?
[09:31] <theantix> marcin_ant, yes I tried that, and also to share a local printer -- neither worked reliably -- I didn't see any discovered automagically
[09:32] <amir_> is the groovy 3 persons in a ubuntu logo stance jpg availabe in the default hoary install? if not, is it apt-gettable in some art package?
[09:32] <Burk> hi
[09:32] <marcin_ant> theantix: but worked for a while?
[09:32] <Seveas> amir_ apt get install ubuntu-calendar-october (and november etc, up to march)
[09:32] <marcin_ant> theantix: (I ask because I wasn't able to print anything)
[09:33] <amir_> thanks again :)
[09:33] <Seveas> amit, and install unbuntu0calendar itself too :)
[09:33] <SoRcEtTa> what about links2 ? is it apt-get supported ?
[09:33] <scott> anyone know if the gnome 2.10 livecd is using ubuntu?
[09:33] <amir_> Seveas, will do :)
[09:33] <Seveas> scott, it is
[09:33] <Biafra> is it possible to install packages meant for Debian on Ubuntu?
[09:34] <Seveas> Biafra, possible: yes, sensible: usually not
[09:34] <Burk> guys, looks like 16:10 widescreen wallpapers are not that popular...do you know a site where I could find some? (I could crop&resize...but I'm pretty lazy :p )
[09:34] <scott> Seveas, do you know what version? cause the latest gnoppix doesn't work properly w/ my screen and the gnome 2.10 live cd works great.
[09:34] <bwlang> Biafra: yes... but it can hurt you... the dependencies sometimes don't match up.
[09:34] <Seveas> scott, it is ubuntu hoary preview
[09:34] <Seveas> (afaik)
[09:34] <souki> Burk: the macosx wallpaers are good
[09:34] <scott> can you install off the livecd or is it better to get the installation cd?
[09:34] <theantix> marcin_ant, yes it worked for a while
[09:35] <Burk> souki: where I could find them?
[09:35] <Seveas> you cannot install from a livecd
[09:35] <warmfreeze> grr ..for some reason the update killed my network connection ..
[09:35] <souki> Burk: I've got them but I don't remember where
[09:36] <Burk> oh..found a good site: http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/widescreenselection.htm
[09:36] <guillaume> irc://irc.lucidflux.com/whereswarez
[09:36] <robl^> does Ubuntu work well with laptops?  (power management, LCD, PCMCIA) without lots of tweaking?
[09:36] <Biafra> Does anyone know if the soon-to-be-released pressed CDs of hoary will include both GNOME and KDE?
[09:36] <syn-ack> robl^: I think thats where it shines the best
[09:36] <Fackamato> robl^: yup
[09:36] <Fackamato> SYN
[09:36] <syn-ack> Biafra: No, thats what kubuntu is
[09:36] <syn-ack> Fackamato: how goes?
[09:36] <Fackamato> time out :/
[09:36] <Fackamato> :P
[09:37] <syn-ack> ;P
[09:37] <Biafra> Will there be pressed CDs of Kubuntu coming out?
[09:37] <Fackamato> hopefully not :P
[09:37] <Seveas> robl^, i run warty and hoary in two differnet laptops
[09:37] <Seveas> works like a charm, but hoary is definitely better
[09:37] <Seveas> (acpi problems with warty kernels)
[09:37] <scott> anyone used ubuntu on Thinkpad T40? (or T41/42) I'm wondeirng, like robl, how well it works out of the box w/o changing anything
[09:37] <syn-ack> scott: should work fine.
[09:37] <HcE> scott: I use Debian Sid on a T40p now, works like a charm
[09:38] <HcE> about the same as Ubuntu Warty
[09:38] <robl^> syn-ack & Fackamato: great!  That's my major gripe with stock Debian at the moment. You've convinced me to give it a try
[09:38] <scott> HcE, i've been reading the instructions on linux-on-laptops.com but they're old and there's tons of tweaking
[09:38] <syn-ack>  I had a Compaq Presario 2535 QV and it ran very well
[09:38] <HcE> scott: everything works for me "out-of-the-box"
[09:38] <scott> cool
[09:38] <HcE> scott: if you got a atheros wlan-card you'll need the atheros driver from sf.net
[09:39] <HcE> I have not tested suspend to ram/disk though
[09:39] <scott> HcE, I still need to decide on which wifi card to buy, the intel 2200 or the atheros
[09:39] <pixman> Hello
[09:39] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[09:39] <HcE> scott: I have the atheros 802.11a/b/g
[09:39] <pixman> Anyone experienced problems with smb:/// in nautilus since today's samba update?
[09:39] <scott> HcE, isn't it supposed to suspend when you shut the lid? you never do that?
[09:39] <robl^> syn-ack: this is a Dell Inspiron 8500 with a 19200x1200 wide screen LCD
[09:39] <pixman> or libsmbclient perhaps
[09:40] <pixman> doesn't work anymore
[09:40] <HcE> scott: it turns of the light on the LCD
[09:40] <syn-ack> robl^: nice.
[09:40] <HcE> scott: and ATI driver sucks, but they are a bit better now
[09:40] <black_Nightmare> anyone seen my canadian friend??? lol
[09:40] <mjr> HcE, hmh, atheros drivers are included in ubuntu (in the linux-restricted-modules package)
[09:41] <HcE> mjr: you'll probably want to grab CVS some times a week
[09:41] <HcE> they are so absolutly not stable yet :P
[09:41] <mjr> I dunno
[09:41] <HcE> speaking of which *cvs update*
[09:41] <scott> HcE, why do the ATI drivers suck? I still haven't gotten the laptop yet actually, it should be here saturday
[09:42] <syn-ack> I have the atheros drivers loaded, ATM ;)
[09:42] <Biafra> another general question: which format is better: ext*, reiserFS, JFS, or XFS?
[09:42] <mjr> I've watched a dvb stream redirected over ssh with warty's atheros drivers for several hours with no problems ;)
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> it depends on your requirements
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> ext3 is the most common and most widely supported
[09:42] <scott> are there packages for beagle in ubuntu?
[09:42] <setite> is it worth it to try and get cedega working under ubuntu64
[09:42] <HcE> scott: It's good on my display, but TV-out and secondary display is still a bit of a mystery. I get secondary to work, but I have to tweak alot
[09:42] <syn-ack> I personally am going to start using XFS
[09:42] <setite> its proving to be a truly frustrating process
[09:42] <mjr> Biafra, generally, I'd not recommend reiserfs for its lesser stability track record; ext3 is a good basic choice
[09:43] <mjr> xfs and jfs might provide benefits for high-end use
[09:43] <Seveas> scott, beagle is being worked on for the next release
[09:43] <apokryphos> syn-ack: Nope. Kubuntu has only KDE; no Gnome.
[09:43] <Burk> what will follow array cd7? the final release'
[09:43] <Burk> ?
[09:44] <syn-ack> apokryphos: Im quite aware of that
[09:44] <setite> kubuntu
[09:44] <setite> XFS
[09:44] <setite> whats the x
[09:44] <setite> xtreme
[09:44] <stazz> Biafra: You can't go wrong with reiserfs.
[09:44] <marcin_ant> theantix: then next question again
[09:44] <setite> xantifical
[09:44] <syn-ack> stazz: sure you can.
[09:44] <Biafra> my ubuntu comp (Cyrix M-II 300 with 96MB of memory) has 3 HDDs and one CDROM. I have it currently setup as folows:
[09:44] <apokryphos> syn-ack: you implied otherwise, but nevermind.
[09:44] <warmfreeze> so . who came up with this ubuntu idea anyway ?
[09:44] <stazz> syn-ack: the current situation is pretty good, the random-crash-thingies are past.
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> stazz: I would say you can't go wrong with ext3
[09:45] <syn-ack> stazz: heh
[09:45] <HrdwrBoB> anything else makes your system nonstandard
[09:45] <setite> k ubuntu
[09:45] <setite> k k ubuntu
[09:45] <stazz> syn-ack: really.. reiserfs is currently considered quite stable.
[09:45] <setite> ku kubuntu
[09:45] <setite> ku ku kubuntu
[09:45] <marcin_ant> theantix: I got gnome-cups-manager
[09:45] <marcin_ant> theantix: and "add a printer" dialog
[09:46] <Biafra> hda (1GB drive): hda1 135MB mounted as /boot using ext3
[09:46] <syn-ack> mount: only root can do that
[09:46] <setite> anyone running cedega with point2play on a 64bit platform?
[09:46] <warmfreeze> is there a PPC version of ubuntu ?
[09:46] <apokryphos> Burk: Release Candidate will follow.
[09:46] <mjr> warmfreeze, yes indeed
[09:46] <marcin_ant> theantix: and Printer Type I choose "Network printer-> CUPS pinter IPP"
[09:46] <warmfreeze> yay!
[09:46] <Biafra> hda (1GB drive): hda2 rest of the drive as a raid member
[09:46] <black_Nightmare> warmfreeze...look at the download list
[09:46] <marcin_ant> theantix: and very important thing is
[09:46] <black_Nightmare> its already there ;0
[09:46] <marcin_ant> theantix: what is URI ?
[09:46] <scott> Seveas, do you know when the next release (or beta/preview) is supposed to be?
[09:47] <Biafra> my other 2 drives (hdb, a 4GB drive and hdd, a 3GB drive) are also raid members
[09:47] <Burk> apokryphos: release candidate is the step before the final 5.04 rel?
[09:47] <warmfreeze> i got it now . i dident see it earlier .. tnx!
[09:47] <Seveas> scott, october 2005, there is a release every 6 months
[09:47] <apokryphos> Burk: Yes. See: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[09:47] <syn-ack> stazz: root@Jupiter:/home/meskes # df -HT /dev/sda2
[09:47] <syn-ack> Filesystem    Type     Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[09:47] <syn-ack> /dev/sda2 reiserfs     122G   4.0G   119G   4% /
[09:47] <syn-ack> I know. ;)
[09:47] <stazz> syn-ack :D
[09:47] <Biafra> all my raid members are setup together as a RAID0 device
[09:47] <marcin_ant> theantix: could you tell me what is URI on your system?
[09:47] <Burk> ok, tnx apokryphos ;)
[09:47] <theantix> marcin_ant, I used IP address
[09:47] <Biafra> which is setup for lvm
[09:48] <scott> Seveas, oh, but how often do they come out with the previews? I used to run debian unstable and it was always changing. is that how ubuntu is?
[09:48] <syn-ack> stazz: Im going to migrate to XFS here soon and then set up LVM when I get another drive for it.
[09:48] <Uboo> If I trie Kubuntu and decided to go back to gnome, is there a real need to uninstall kubuntu? If I want to anyway, how will I be able to track all the packages that were installed because kubuntu-desktop wanted them?
[09:48] <stazz> syn-ack: I recommend staying away from XFS, from personal experience.
[09:48] <Biafra> in lvm i configured one VG (Goldeneye) and 2 PVs
[09:48] <kala> hi
[09:49] <Anubis> nothing but problems today
[09:49] <kala> can i make a question?
[09:49] <Anubis> now my gnome-panel is acting shitty
[09:49] <stazz> kala: shoot
[09:49] <kala> eh, ubuntu is great :P
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> kala: don't ask to ask, as
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> ask
[09:49] <Biafra> pv1 (TransientData) 235MB swap
[09:49] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: Where else do I know you from?
[09:49] <apokryphos> Uboo: You can of course run both KDE and Gnome. You can remove all kubuntu stuff after if you decide that you don't want it, yes.
[09:49] <kala> i don't know how, but i've lost the default mouse pointers
[09:49] <Anubis> hoary developmental was more stable than whats comming out these last few updates
[09:49] <phxguy> anyone know where gtk themes go??
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> syn-ack: ooh could be anywhere; I get around
[09:49] <SoRcEtTa> why ubuntu is so great ?
[09:49] <kala> like the circle waiting one
[09:50] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: undernet? #linux?
[09:50] <SoRcEtTa> and mepis ?
[09:50] <Biafra> pv2 (Storage) the remainder of the available lvm space mounted as /
[09:50] <Anubis> The gaim panel icon just stopped working
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> I'm on ozorg freenode
[09:50] <setite> ok back to windows i go for some CS Source
[09:50] <Anubis> wtf is happening?
[09:50] <Biafra> and formatted as reiserfs
[09:50] <Biafra> anyone miss anything?
[09:50] <Anubis> shit is just breaking
[09:51] <kala> ok, i'll ask again: how can i reinstall the default ubuntu mouse pointers?
[09:51] <neighbordude> is anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))
[09:51] <Anubis> gnome desktop no longer refreshes by itself
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> kala: do you know the files you removed?
[09:51] <kala> i haven't removed any file
[09:51] <Uboo> apokryphos: Ok, so how do I make it remove all the packages it installed with it? I don't want all the crap on my computer. Will telling synaptic to uninstall kubuntu-desktop also uninstall all the other packages it installed because of depedency?
[09:51] <Anubis> neighbordude, check your bpp is it 24bpp
[09:51] <Anubis> 16bpp make firefox crash
[09:52] <kala> i installed and they weren't there. i know they exist coz i installed it in other computer
[09:52] <apokryphos> Uboo: "crap"... err, sure. Ahem. No, kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; it depends upon other things, not vice versa.
[09:52] <NetGeek> the latest apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-base, is that bad?
[09:52] <apokryphos> NetGeek: No :)
[09:52] <apokryphos> NetGeek: it is but a metapackage.
[09:53] <crymsan> hey everyone
[09:53] <kala> does anyone know which is the package with the cursors?
[09:53] <kala> hi
[09:53] <Uboo> apokryphos: What I mean is... when I wanted to install kubuntu-desktop it installed a lot of other packages as well. Will telling synaptic to uninstall the kubuntu-desktop package also uninstall all the other packages it installed?
[09:53] <NetGeek> it also wants to remove libc6-686, and replace it with libc6
[09:54] <apokryphos> Uboo: And as I said: no. It's a metapackage. It's not a "real" package; it only depends upon other things and drags them in.
[09:54] <Biafra> would it be adviseable to reinstall and use xfs for my / partition?
[09:54] <Burk> guys, on April I'll get a laptop as present, probably Toshiba Sat m30x-161. I'm trying out the ubuntu live cd...that's absolutely the best linux I've ever been with (tested: mandrake, red hat, suse and freebsd). Of course laptop will be equipped with winxp installed. do you advice me to resize partition with partition magic or make a good old format and repartitioning from zero? also: how would you divide a 80GB hd?
[09:54] <Uboo> apokryphos: So how will I be able to remove all of those packages?
[09:55] <kala> ok, i gotta go, but i'll be back :P
[09:56] <phxguy> I have a usb stick which is formatted vfat. how can I format it to something else??
[09:56] <maxchee> Is anyone aware of a gnome-vfs plugin that can open compressed file?
[09:56] <amir_> phxguy, mkdosfs
[09:56] <mjr> phxguy, unmount it and mke2fs (for example, for ext2/3)
[09:56] <maxchee> phxguy: you need to go to your usbstick manufacturer's website
[09:56] <apokryphos> ubuntulog: man debfoster
[09:57] <apokryphos> ubuntulog: sorry, wasn't meant to be to you.
[09:57] <amir_> maxchee, no he doesn't.
[09:57] <mjr> oh, also, some memory sticks reportedly resist reformatting, but I don't know about that
[09:57] <amir_> phxguy, just type mkfs.<tab><tab> on the command line.
[09:57] <maxchee> amir_: see mrj
[09:57] <maxchee> amir_: see mjr
[09:59] <phxguy> amir do i need to speciify /dev/sda1 in that command?
[09:59] <amir_> maxchee, i've used quite a few UMS devices and never saw one.
[09:59] <amir_> phxguy, yup!
[09:59] <Slaven> Where can I select which greeter should be the 'default' one? appearantly, simply putting gdm in rc doesn't work. it needs to be the default greeter.
[09:59] <maxchee> amir_: but if the formatting fails, then...
[09:59] <phxguy> what format types are available?
[09:59] <maxchee> phxguy: why do you have to reformat?
[10:00] <amir_> phxguy, fat16, fat32, ext2, ext3.. if you want linux only you probably want ext3.
[10:00] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, sorry i had to get fish and ships how are you this evening?
[10:00] <maxchee> phxguy: Is your usb stick broken?
[10:00] <phxguy> nope
[10:00] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Very well thanks; all good. :)
[10:00] <amir_> phxguy, for example: mke2fs -j /dev/sda1
[10:00] <A-star> hi everyone
[10:00] <maxchee> phxguy: ext3 cannot be read on windows
[10:00] <Jesterace> heh i leave my usb stick as vfat
[10:00] <Jesterace> just so i can read it in all os's i use
[10:00] <InitMass> is there any good benchmark app for linux?
[10:00] <amir_> i tend to agree with them, phxguy. you might as well format it with FAT16.
[10:00] <crymsan> hey all, quick question, just about to try ubuntu for the first time (usually debian) and trying to install hoary preview, but can't boot the cd, and yes I did burn it properly
[10:01] <crymsan> any ideas?
[10:01] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, are yuo at college still or out for a gap year?
[10:01] <Slaven> maxchee: yes it can. with the proper drivers.
[10:01] <phxguy> i dont want this usb stick read on windows....
[10:01] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Last year sixth-form.
[10:01] <Burk> cu next time ;)
[10:01] <Bazzi> hi, I've got a quick question, which packages do I need to build a kernel driver module? linux-source and linux-headers should be sufficient, shouldn't they?
[10:01] <amir_> phxguy, if you don't then you can use ext3. see above :)
[10:01] <amir_> anyways gotta go.
[10:01] <maxchee> Slaven: that's true, although I seriously doubt that you can install a ext3 driver onto corporate computers without some serious justification
[10:01] <Slaven> heh. nope.
[10:01] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, sweet what options did you take?
[10:01] <amir_> cya
[10:02] <Slaven> sorry for just breaking in to conversation, then. didn't grasp the context.
[10:02] <phxguy> amir so will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make it ext3 ??
[10:02] <Slaven> noone can help me with the greeter thingy?
[10:02] <maxchee> Slaven: ?
[10:02] <A-star> Well I use a program which comes in a zip file to do that.
[10:03] <Slaven> maxchee: I'm wondering how I choose default greeters (like gdm,kdm...)
[10:03] <phxguy> maxchee:  will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make the drive formatted in ext3 ??
[10:03] <Jesterace> phxguy, yes
[10:03] <phxguy> thanks
[10:03] <Jesterace> mkefs without the -j will make it ext2
[10:03] <maxchee> System/Admin/Login Screen Setup
[10:03] <A-star> do a search on explore2fs, then you can read ext3 and ext2 partition under windows
[10:03] <Jesterace> whoa
[10:03] <neighbordude> where do I verify that i'm using a speicifc bpp ? (  configuration editor ?..if so which section)
[10:04] <maxchee> Personally, I am a big fan of reiserfs. Any chance that reiser4 patch will be included?
[10:04] <phxguy> it gavfe m an error:  /dev/sda1: Read-only file system while setting up superblock
[10:04] <maxchee> in an ubuntu kernel?
[10:04] <phxguy> do  I have to boot into windows and format as fat16 first?
[10:04] <maxchee> phxguy: no
[10:04] <aeolist_> in order to do what?
[10:05] <phxguy> aeolist_:  I am trying to reformat a usb stick so it cant be read on a windows machine
[10:05] <aeolist_> oh
[10:05] <maxchee> phxguy: should have told us about that...
[10:05] <aeolist_> had the same trouble today
[10:05] <aeolist_> depends on what you have available
[10:06] <phxguy> maxchee i thought i did.,
[10:06] <maxchee> phxguy: reiserfs, xfs, jfs are even more obscure than ext
[10:06] <aeolist_> you can use a tool like gparted or qtparted
[10:06] <crymsan> you try mkfs.vfat?
[10:06] <aeolist_> or try fdisk + mkfs.vfat
[10:06] <maxchee> there is a driver for ext for windows
[10:07] <crymsan> right, fdisk it first of course :-)
[10:07] <black_Nightmare> does ubuntu support having two keyboards plugged in altogether?
[10:07] <black_Nightmare> one unused ps/2 and one usb
[10:07] <maxchee> cryman: parted replaces (sort of) fdisk
[10:07] <Jesterace> how does one use two keyboards at the same time? and what practical use is it :P
[10:07] <johaBBa> lol
[10:07] <crymsan> ah, havne't really used parted
[10:07] <johaBBa> none?
[10:08] <black_Nightmare> jest..not 'same time' but..its kinda something to do with setups
[10:08] <Jesterace> different keymaps?
[10:08] <robl^> I use ps/2 and USB keyboard at the same time.. no problem
[10:08] <Jesterace> ie: us layout and uk layout? :P
[10:08] <Jesterace> i used to have a uk keyboard and i'm in canada heh
[10:08] <black_Nightmare> some of these cable kvm needs both ps/2 connectors to be powered to work .. but then with one of the pc I rather like use my own keyboard [alak through usb] 
[10:08] <johaBBa> robl^, you use both plugged into the same computer at the same time?
[10:08] <black_Nightmare> kinda like this way: 2 pc, 2 keyboards, 1 mouse, 1 mointor
[10:09] <black_Nightmare> get it?
[10:09] <Jesterace> oh kvm
[10:09] <robl^> johaBBa: yeah.  I have a notebook with a built-in PS/2 keyaboard and a full size USB
[10:09] <black_Nightmare> till I can buy/trade for a kvm that can switch itself and has ac power (so it doesn't have to be plugged to ps/2 ports for power)
[10:09] <johaBBa> ah, i see
[10:10] <phxguy> holy cow i did fdisk /dev/sda1 and then l
[10:10] <Jesterace> i like my kvm
[10:10] <Jesterace> handy
[10:10] <phxguy> there are so many.... which should i choose???
[10:10] <johaBBa> i just had a funny picture in my head of someone using one keyboard with their hands and the other with their feet at the same time
[10:10] <Jesterace> hit numlock twice then hit up or down and it'll switch pc's
[10:10] <afro-pi> re
[10:10] <crymsan> /dev/sda
[10:10] <black_Nightmare> joha..NEVER for me lol
[10:10] <johaBBa> heh
[10:10] <afro-pi> i've just installed ubuntu
[10:11] <afro-pi> what is the admin pwd ?!? ;-)
[10:11] <afro-pi> (root)
[10:11] <johaBBa> afro-pi, use sudo
[10:11] <black_Nightmare> so...anyhow think it could work to have one pc with two keyboards, the inactive ps/2 cable to kvm (to power it) and the main usb keyboard?
[10:11] <aeolist_> the same as your user's one
[10:11] <afro-pi> seems not...
[10:11] <Jesterace> black_Nightmare,  seems plausible give it a try?
[10:11] <Slaven> afro-pi: you can't login as root at first
[10:11] <afro-pi> it doesn't accept my user pwd
[10:11] <Slaven> login as a normal user
[10:11] <Jesterace> that's the only way we'll find out
[10:11] <black_Nightmare> jest..ok thanks anyhow ;)
[10:11] <johaBBa> afro-pi, root account is disabled by default. type 'man sudo'
[10:11] <Slaven> and type sudo passwd <password>
[10:11] <afro-pi> ok
[10:11] <Jesterace> best to learn by doing :P
[10:11] <afro-pi> thanks
[10:12] <Jesterace> that's my motto
[10:12] <bung__> Slaven: no.
[10:12] <afro-pi> you're right :)
[10:12] <Slaven> ...no?
[10:12] <crymsan> anyone try hoary?
[10:12] <Jesterace> however i refuse to use usb preferals :P
[10:12] <sockler> how do i change my user password
[10:12] <bung__> that'd leave your password in your bash history, which would be a faux pas
[10:12] <bung__> and I'm not sure if it works anyway
[10:12] <johaBBa> crymsan, running hoary on my lappy for about a month now
[10:12] <black_Nightmare> jest...kinda not the best old kvm I got (requiring itself plugged into four ps/2 ports to even work) but anyhow...maybe for now till I get a better kvm
[10:12] <Slaven> yes it works
[10:13] <black_Nightmare> a kvm with ac power so it wouldn't need the ps/2 cables ;)
[10:13] <bung__> doing "passwd foo" sets the password for user foo
[10:13] <Jesterace> black_Nightmare, mine is powered that way too
[10:13] <crymsan> any reason why I wouldn't be able to boot the new release?
[10:13] <robl^> hoary is about stable enough for a release?
[10:13] <robl^> why am I wasting my time fetching warty :)
[10:13] <Jesterace> robl^, I think it's stable enough
[10:13] <Slaven> yeah, I meant sudo passwd <root>
[10:13] <Jesterace> i'm running it :P
[10:14] <johaBBa> crymsan, not sure what you are asking...
[10:14] <Slaven> eh, sudo passwd root, even
[10:14] <bung__> aha
[10:14] <Jesterace> i haven't even really used warty since i needed hoary to have sound :P
[10:14] <bung__> sorry for being anal then :)
[10:14] <Bazzi> What packages do I need in order to compile a kernel driver module?
[10:14] <black_Nightmare> hmm...one tricky question...
[10:14] <Uboo> What conifguration file does "Windows Preferences" edit? I want to see if I can edit some stuff there to make it work how I want it to.
[10:14] <johaBBa> sry, no PM.
[10:14] <black_Nightmare> is it bios or os installion level to detect what kind of video source to use?
[10:14] <Jesterace> Bazzi, build-essential fakeroot linux-headers and kernel-package i would recommend
[10:15] <black_Nightmare> like say you have a computer and connect it immedately via tv/out cables to a tv before installing an os to the blank empty hd
[10:15] <Bazzi> why fakeroot / what is that?
[10:15] <robl^> Jesterace: should be no problem updating from preview to the release version later?  atpt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[10:15] <Jesterace> robl^, should be fine :)
[10:15] <Jesterace> that's how i do it
[10:15] <Jesterace> i have no hoary cds
[10:15] <Jesterace> just plenty of warty cds
[10:16] <robl^> ohh..
[10:16] <asgh> hi
[10:16] <crymsan> hey
[10:16] <asgh> i'm having some trouble with grub in ubuntu
[10:16] <robl^> Jesterace: basically the same as in debian going from stable to testing  for warty to hoary?
[10:16] <Jesterace> so i install warty then immediately update /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the hoary repo's then run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:16] <asgh> can anyone help me?
[10:16] <Jesterace> yeah
[10:17] <HcE> asgh: don't ask to ask, ask! (-:
[10:17] <ob1kenobi> asgh, what's happening?
[10:17] <black_Nightmare> or I guess my question is new? :p
[10:17] <asgh> i have 2 hard drives, one with winx and one with ubuntu
[10:18] <ob1kenobi> asgh, me too
[10:18] <asgh> and grub won't let me boot winxp
[10:18] <asgh> it gives error 23: error while parsing numbr
[10:19] <Jesterace> asgh, which hd is xp on? primary or secondary?
[10:19] <ob1kenobi> asgh, what is your last lines of menu.lst, those concerning windows?
[10:19] <asgh> i think xp is primary master
[10:19] <Bazzi> Jesterace what do I do when /lib/modules/2.6.10-5/build is not found? you happen to know what's missing then?
[10:19] <Jesterace> hrmm
[10:20] <Bazzi> It's like driving me nuts here.
[10:20] <asgh>  title           Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[10:20] <asgh> root            (sd1,0)
[10:20] <asgh> makeactive
[10:20] <asgh> chainloader     +1
[10:20] <asgh> savedefault
[10:20] <Bazzi> I cannot get that damn thing to compile
[10:20] <asgh> last lines of menu.lst
[10:20] <Jesterace> did you get the headers that are for your kernel?
[10:20] <Bazzi> yep
[10:20] <Kamion> Bazzi: linux-headers-* packages, I imagine
[10:20] <Jesterace> linux-headers-$(name -r) will pull the matching kernel headers if you apt-get
[10:20] <Bazzi> I've got linux-headers-2.6.10-5 (so the right ones)
[10:20] <ob1kenobi> asgh, you win xp is on secondary drive
[10:21] <Kamion> Bazzi: you'll need e.g. linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:21] <_linux_newb_>      uname -r
[10:21] <Kamion> $ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-29_i386.deb | grep 'build '
[10:21] <flyingsquirrel54> is there an easy way to format/partition/mount filesystems with ubuntu (gui)
[10:21] <Kamion> lrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2005-03-22 17:15:07 ./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:21] <asgh> i'm sure it is on master but i don't really remember if it is primary or secondary..
[10:21] <Bazzi> wtf.
[10:21] <Bazzi> I had the wrong version apparently.
[10:21] <GnuKemist> Kamion: please use #flood for this
[10:21] <Jesterace> wonder if i can grab the vanilla kernel source from kernel.org and compile my own hehe
[10:21] <Bazzi> head->table
[10:22] <Kamion> Bazzi: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 is a common package to save space
[10:22] <ob1kenobi> asgh, from your file (sd1,0) is not the primary. (sd0,0) is the primary
[10:22] <Kamion> GnuKemist: no I think two lines to illustrate help I'm giving is quite reasonable
[10:22] <ob1kenobi> asgh, try moving the line chainloader as the last
[10:22] <Kamion> four or five lines, sure
[10:23] <bitstream> hello
[10:23] <GnuKemist> Kamion: nm then... no harm
[10:23] <ob1kenobi> asgh, and check the disk (primary/secondary).
[10:23] <ob1kenobi> asgh, you can check from ubuntu.
[10:23] <asgh> how?
[10:24] <VladDrac> anyone know what might cause audio to fail with my haupage tv-card?
[10:24] <VladDrac> I thought all it required was the msp3400 module (which is loaded)
[10:24] <ob1kenobi> asgh, sudo fdisk -l
[10:24] <bitstream> any1 can tell me if i can install PHP and mysql with the synaptic package manager ?
[10:25] <asgh> yes, i did fdisk -l...how do i see which one is primary?
[10:25] <ob1kenobi> asgh, and look at the results. You will see NTFS. If it says sda1 or sda2..
[10:25] <marcin_ant> theantix: ip address and what...
[10:25] <asgh> sda1
[10:25] <marcin_ant> theantix: ipp://[hostip] /printers/printername?
[10:25] <ob1kenobi> asgh, so your disk is primary. change the entry in menu.-lst with (sd0,0)
[10:25] <bitstream> btw i try to mount ntfs partition but cant access it from the file manager :(
[10:26] <asgh> ok, did that
[10:26] <ob1kenobi> reboot
[10:26] <jazzka> hi!
[10:26] <asgh> ok
[10:26] <asgh> thx a lot
[10:26] <marcin_ant> theantix: or http://[hostip] /printers/printername... or maybe something else?
[10:26] <ob1kenobi> asgh, no problem
[10:26] <black_Nightmare> any of you know what hd formats ubuntu can read presently? (at the hoary preview version)
[10:26] <asgh> i'm really enjoying ubuntu
[10:26] <asgh> brb
[10:26] <A-star> just a quick question
[10:26] <bitstream> hd format?
[10:26] <jazzka> My linux desktop (warty) was running ok during almost 7 months until today.
[10:26] <ob1kenobi> asgh, you will soon format your ntfs partition!
[10:27] <jazzka> I've rebooted and the gnome applications bar has dissappeared
[10:27] <ob1kenobi> A-star, go ahead
[10:27] <jazzka> any help?
[10:27] <black_Nightmare> bitstream...in another word for your kind of people: partitions
[10:27] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[10:27] <jazzka> is there any way to restore the gnome dekstop?
[10:27] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, any.
[10:27] <A-star> after I installed openssh-server I want to install freenx, this depends on the ssh package (which does the same as the openssh-server and client).
[10:27] <bitstream> black_Nightmare, :))
[10:27] <A-star> Do I need to install the openssh-server then?
[10:27] <black_Nightmare> ob1...hrm...even HFS?
[10:28] <bitstream> black_Nightmare, can u tell me if i can find quick php/mysql IDE for ubuntu?
[10:28] <Kamion> A-star: ssh is a transitional package that depends on openssh-server and openssh-client; yes, you still need openssh-server
[10:28] <bitstream> i mean quick to install
[10:28] <Kamion> A-star: freenx should probably depend on the virtual package ssh-server
[10:29] <Slaven> bitstream: quanta, maybe?
[10:29] <black_Nightmare> umm no idea LOL bitstream..I'm just trying to get understanding of ubuntu -- hope to try make an cdr and install it on mine pc by the time the weekend is around
[10:29] <Kamion> A-star: but the ssh split is a relatively recent change and a lot of stuff hasn't adapted yet
[10:29] <|QuaD-> beagle 0.8 released today :)
[10:29] <ob1kenobi> bitstream, gedit
[10:29] <black_Nightmare> just want to figure some compactibility and software questions first
[10:29] <bitstream> Slaven, is it good?
[10:29] <black_Nightmare> so...can hoary preview r/w to HFS hd's?
[10:29] <A-star> ok thanks for the info
[10:29] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, yes even hfs
[10:30] <Slaven> I think it's nice. but it's a qt application so it might look a little mismatch on a gnome desktop.
[10:30] <Slaven> unless you've configured KDE visuals.
[10:30] <bitstream> i'm trying to install nusphere phpedit but it requires some libraries i cant find in the synaptic pkg manager
[10:30] <GnuKemist> bitstream: I saw a live demo of Komodo... awsome!!!  but it isn't free...
[10:30] <ob1kenobi> bitstream, I have installed NVU and it is nice with php
[10:30] <black_Nightmare> hm ty... so linux, fat16, fat32, HFS, HFS+, what else can it 'see'? :p
[10:30] <bitstream> nusphere PHPedit is soooo coool
[10:31] <Slaven> black: ntfs?
[10:31] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, it is hard to list here all fdisk types... a lot!
[10:31] <crymsan> can it write to ntfs?
[10:31] <bitstream> i'm new to ubunto
[10:31] <Slaven> there are drivers for that now too, aren't there?
[10:31] <bitstream> so i dont know how to install shit on it
[10:31] <black_Nightmare> oh ic ob1 so in a word "almost anything if its already been there for several months" ... right?
[10:31] <bitstream> i've never seen debian either
[10:31] <A-star> anyone here who wants to help me with the configuration of freenx?
[10:31] <bitstream> crymsan,  no
[10:31] <mrtx> sudo sucks!
[10:32] <neighbordude> guys where do I 'set' the desktop depth in gnome ??
[10:32] <flyingsquirrel54> what's the easiest way of mounting a volume?
[10:32] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, c'mon... I'm not jocking.. seriously
[10:32] <GnuKemist> bitstream: easy... just remember apt-get install [app name] 
[10:32] <asgh> didn't work =|
[10:32] <bitstream> GnuKemist, what is that?
[10:32] <neighbordude> I mean can desktop depth be set anywhere in gconf ?
[10:33] <GnuKemist> bitstream: the way to install programs
[10:33] <black_Nightmare> hmm ok think I don't have any more questions left except about modems compactibility but....no rush on that part yet
[10:33] <black_Nightmare> :p
[10:33] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, if the device or disk is recognised by hotplug it should be automatically mounted
[10:33] <Jesterace> neighbordude, which are you using warty or hoary?
[10:33] <GnuKemist> bitstream: via the console
[10:33] <bitstream> but
[10:33] <neighbordude> Jesterace, hoary preview release
[10:33] <bitstream> i have to get it first in debian pkg format?right?
[10:33] <Jesterace> ok
[10:33] <GnuKemist> bitstream: you can always use Syanptic
[10:33] <black_Nightmare> any of you heard of symbios pci cards?
[10:34] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, otherwise you should use mount -t auto /dev/whatever /some/directory
[10:34] <Jesterace> neighbordude, check under system -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[10:34] <flyingsquirrel54> I've got 2 windows partitions ntfs and fat3 where will they be mounted?
[10:34] <GnuKemist> bitstream: is mysql in the portage system?
[10:34] <Jesterace> and if the modes aren't there then you'll need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to support the proper depth
[10:34] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, that depends - have a look in /media it's the most likely place
[10:34] <neighbordude> Jesterace, been there done that and its not there faict
[10:35] <black_Nightmare> was just wondering about this cheap scsi pci card I had...dunno about leave in there or take it out
[10:35] <neighbordude> Jesterace, ie: all you can set is res and refresh rate but n ot 'depth'
[10:35] <snetx10> i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system?
[10:35] <Jesterace> ah color depth true
[10:35] <neighbordude> Jesterace, yup
[10:35] <snetx10> i'm running hoary
[10:35] <Jesterace> you'll have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and select the color depth you want
[10:35] <black_Nightmare> it seem to cause quite some trouble to 98se's device list but somehow works just fine with another non-window os
[10:35] <neighborlee> Jesterace, yeah exactly..I had a hunch..darn gnome needs a gui for this <G>
[10:35] <Jesterace> hehe
[10:35] <neighborlee> :)
[10:36] <Jesterace> that's true
[10:36] <Jesterace> some nix version have a nice configurator for them
[10:36] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, no prob for ubuntu. it will get recognized
[10:36] <black_Nightmare> hm ok thanks ;)
[10:37] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, any luck?
[10:37] <black_Nightmare> say... does it have to be specific to particular scanners all the times or think its possible to have like a generic user-customized scanner driver? (user select color and res for starters)
[10:37] <black_Nightmare> if that seem like a stupid thought then delete it
[10:37] <stazz> is there any ubuntu-specific tools?
[10:37] <black_Nightmare> :P
[10:37] <flyingsquirrel54> yeh,
[10:37] <flyingsquirrel54> sort of.
[10:37] <grogoreo> hi
[10:38] <flyingsquirrel54> it mounted, but I don't have permission to open
[10:38] <flyingsquirrel54> wait, I did the ntfs, I should do the fat instead
[10:38] <snetx10> hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)
[10:39] <black_Nightmare> brb..trying find card jumpers again
[10:39] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, Ubuntu only has read support for ntfs - regardless of permissions
[10:39] <grogoreo> im trying to change the permissions of a group of folders (one folder with lots of sub folders) and i can change the permissions by using the command: chmod -R 755 folder    but i want to specify a user with that. any ideas?
[10:39] <flyingsquirrel54> what about fat?
[10:39] <black_Nightmare> oh damn **** it.  my favorite hardware site closed down... :|
[10:39] <alavista> grogoreo: you run latter: chown -R newuser folder
[10:39] <black_Nightmare> any of you know any site for jumper/pinout for older pci+isa cards?
[10:39] <alexwillmer> grogoreo, use chown to do that, only root (or sudo) can do it thougg
[10:40] <grogoreo> thanks alavista and alexwillmer
[10:40] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, read write support - you may need to adjust mount permissions to get write support as a normal user
[10:41] <black_Nightmare> sorry..nevermind I found a previously-hidden mirror
[10:41] <Skid> hi folks, I've just updated to horay but my x config is broke now.. I can't seem to get it up, looking at the log, there's a version mismatch, but I can't seem to sort it
[10:41] <flyingsquirrel54> alex willmer: yeah, fat works fine. I didn't expect the other one anyway.
[10:42] <jeanjean> xmms dont work I ve got these error libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:42] <jeanjean> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:42] <flyingsquirrel54> Actually the reason I asked was just to see if there is a gui way of doing it?
[10:42] <jeanjean> can anybody help
[10:42] <Skid> Error: API mismatch : the NVIDIA kernel module is ver 1.0.6111, but this X Module is version 1.0.6629 pls be aware that your kernel and NVIDIA driver must have the same vrsion
[10:42] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, cool - were they already mounted, or did you need to do it manually?
[10:42] <flyingsquirrel54> manually
[10:42] <flyingsquirrel54> is there a gui way of doing it?
[10:42] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: manually as "root" (or sudo) or normal user?
[10:43] <alexwillmer> ok, try this - from the menu bar, Computer -> Disks
[10:43] <flyingsquirrel54> sudo, I was told here earlier that ubuntu doesn't allow one to do su!
[10:43] <LinuxLover> hello
[10:43] <flyingsquirrel54> I just installed today!
[10:43] <alexwillmer> each icon should allow you to right click and mount or unmount
[10:43] <snetx10> hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)
[10:44] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, su is different to sudo
[10:44] <maddler> flyingsquirrel54... you need to do "sudo su"
[10:44] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: hmm, since you mounted as root (sudo way), it's by default read-only. You can specify a mount option to be accessible by normal user.
[10:44] <LinuxLover> Why does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?
[10:44] <A-star> woehoe, freenx finally works now
[10:44] <flyingsquirrel54> which Icons do I right click on?
[10:45] <jeanjean> snetx10: Go to System --> Prefernces --> Select multimedia system
[10:45] <flyingsquirrel54> and how do I specify r/w
[10:45] <alexwillmer> unmount from the command line (using sudo) then try the icons in Computer->Disks, it might Just Work(tm)
[10:45] <snetx10> jeanjean: thank you :)
[10:45] <LinuxLover> I have a few questions, can anyone help?
[10:45] <snetx10> dont ask to ask, just ask!
[10:45] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, fire away
[10:45] <snetx10> :)
[10:46] <maddler> linuxboy... about the questions? or about what the questions are about? ;)
[10:46] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: it's better to mount as normal user or use the graphical interface. else, you delve more and more in complexity and things do not work..
[10:46] <LinuxLover> Why does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?
[10:46] <bitstream> da,mit
[10:46] <bitstream> damnit that is
[10:46] <flyingsquirrel54> no, when I right click I don't see anything about mounting
[10:46] <bitstream> i get weird errors
[10:46] <alexwillmer> alavista, there is that, too many longer term users need to be weened from the command line when giving advice (self included)
[10:47] <jeanjean> LinuxLover --> try to write or download the cd again ?
[10:47] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, not with just that, I'd need more details
[10:47] <LinuxLover> It's a pressed copy, from Ubuntu. I just received it in the mail 3 days ago
[10:47] <bitstream> when i uncommented the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list synaptick pkg manager says it cant connect to the sercers
[10:48] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, is that the icons in Disks?
[10:48] <LinuxLover> Alright, what else do you need to know? I put it in, boots up to the loading screen and just stalls there. Like it freezes.
[10:48] <bitstream> any1 knows why is that?
[10:48] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, sorry the window will be titled Computer, the menu entry is called Disks
[10:48] <flyingsquirrel54> I've got 4 icons, floppy1, cdrom1 filesystem, network
[10:49] <alavista> bitstream: you can enable/disable repositories from the graphical interface..
[10:49] <Skid> can anyone help me with X and nvidia please?
[10:49] <Skid> i knew I shouldn't of updated to horay :/
[10:50] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok, that's the one. And there's no mount/unmount option in the menu when you rightclick an icon?
[10:50] <jeanjean> Skid: Hoary ?
[10:50] <LinuxLover> And also, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?
[10:50] <Skid> yep
[10:50] <flyingsquirrel54> no
[10:50] <Skid> horay, whatever
[10:50] <alavista> Skid: you probably need to install the correct version of the NVidia driver. You may be able to do from command line or configure manually your Xorg server to use some default low resolution so that you do graphically...
[10:50] <Tux-Rox> Anyone know if beagle / best is going to make it into 5.04? I saw a wiki page saying it is in restricted, but it is not it seems....
[10:50] <Skid> I've just updated nvidia from apt.. and im using XFee86, not Xorg
[10:50] <flyingsquirrel54> open, open new window, copy, prop.
[10:50] <alavista> Tux-Rox: AFAIK, beagle is not ready yet, planned for the next version of Ubuntu, in six months time.
[10:51] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, sorry Filesystem and Network are exceptions try cdrom1 or floppy1
[10:51] <michael__> hey all.. having problems with audio! i tried going to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector, but that just gives errors for any set up i select
[10:51] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?
[10:51] <Tux-Rox> alavista, too bad to hear. I figured since it is going to make it into SuSe 9.3 next month, it would make it in to Hoary.... :-(
[10:51] <flyingsquirrel54> yeah, but that just mounts media that's in the respective devices, no hd's
[10:51] <bitstream> alavista, can u tell me some other repositories?
[10:52] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, ubuntu is tailored for gnome - I'm sure fluxbox is doable, I don't know how though
[10:52] <Jesterace> i used e17 in ubuntu
[10:52] <kkathman> Greetings all :)
[10:53] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok but the entry is there. I have an icon for my windows partition, let me think why you lack one
[10:53] <Jesterace> just a matter of installing the wm then selecting it as a session on the gdm screen once every thing is installed and configured properly
[10:53] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, so what about the stalling problem?
[10:53] <flyingsquirrel54> when "I was installing I didn't tell it to use the partition
[10:54] <flyingsquirrel54> I have only one drive, perhaps you have 2
[10:54] <_phate_> have they fixed the US hoary mirror issue?
[10:54] <alavista> bitstream: a generic list is provided in the update application. I recommend to work on those instead of adding manually other repositories. Risky, especially when you use Hoary.
[10:55] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, I said that I couldn't give an answer jut with the description you gave, what is the last text printed before it stalls, is here any error? does the cd work on another computer?
[10:55] <LinuxLover> No, the screen is the one where it's just a yellow background with the ubuntu logo and the loading bar at the bottom. This is the LiveCD.
[10:55] <alavista> Tux-Rox: Beagle in SuSE 9.3? Strange stuff. Beagle is still being developed.
[10:56] <bitstream> ok
[10:56] <bitstream> 10x man
[10:56] <_phate_> what is the default sources.list for apt-get?
[10:56] <LinuxLover> Does anyone know a site that offers free linux CDs? besides the freelinuxcd project?
[10:56] <michael__> hi all.. i'm having audio problems! i'm currently running ubuntu hoary, and i get error messages when i attempt to run any audio files in xmms.. it recommends that i check my sound card configuration.. but i dont know how to do that
[10:57] <Tux-Rox> alavista, I've read it in a few places today as PR from the Brainshare conference. Could be a confused reporter or two...
[10:57] <geppy> LinuxLover:  Talk to your friends?  Go to your local LUG?
[10:57] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, try this: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[10:57] <flyingsquirrel54> alexwillmer: no ideas??
[10:57] <geppy> michael__: Make sure that you install the xmms-esd package, and set the audio driver to "esound".
[10:58] <Jesterace> michael__,  what soundcard do you have?
[10:58] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, what is the device of your fat32 volume?
[10:58] <geppy> Jesterace: It's probably just an ESD conflict.
[10:58] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, eg /dev/hda1
[10:58] <LinuxLover> geppy, None will do the job because they dont have the proper tools, such as a buurner and proper connection. And there are no LUGs near my area.
[10:58] <michael__> Jesterface: SB Live!
[10:58] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, so can you suggest something?
[10:58] <Jesterace> michael__, 24bit?
[10:58] <flyingsquirrel54> it's not in the list.
[10:58] <Jesterace> or a good one?
[10:58] <geppy> LinuxLover: I don't know of any other sites, but you can buy CDs in various places.  LinuxISO sells CDs, I think.
[10:59] <flint> DOEs anyone know of any server/channel whihc is mozilla psecific ?
[10:59] <michael__> Jesterace: hmm i dont know if its 24bit..
[10:59] <geppy> Are there any Linux projects similar to Windows' little hardware detection applet?
[10:59] <Jesterace> ahh
[10:59] <LinuxLover> gepp, Alright thanks for the help anyway
[10:59] <Jesterace> because i know  my sb live is a 24bit and i need a different driver than the normal sb live driver
[10:59] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, I've given you my answer, wrt to free CDs I haven't looked I'm happy to pay a few pounds and cheapbytes or similar
[10:59] <geppy> I don't want to duplicate someone elses' work, if there's already something going.
[10:59] <Jesterace> which i had to build myself
[10:59] <bancus> seb128, you around?
[11:00] <michael__> oh
[11:00] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, no not that problem
[11:00] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, the stalling problem.
[11:00] <seb128> bancus: ?
[11:00] <Jesterace> michael__, do me a favor
[11:00] <bancus> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8087
[11:00] <Jesterace> open a terminal and enter lspci
[11:00] <michael__> Jesterace: well, my audio works on the LiveCD but not after i actually installed it on my hard drive
[11:00] <bancus> Which package should I be trying to build from source?
[11:00] <Jesterace> and tell me what the Multimedia audio controller is
[11:00] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, No I don;t have enough information
[11:00] <Jesterace> just so i know which version it is :P
[11:00] <bancus> (Figured it'd be easier to get you IRC than bugzilla messaging.)
[11:00] <Uboo> Files with any special character (stuff with an umlaut for one) on my mounted ntfs partitions won't show up. How do I fix this?
[11:00] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, what is not in the list?
[11:01] <flyingsquirrel54> sorry, there's no entry for my partition in the list. I can add it, I was just looking for an esier way.
[11:01] <alavista> Uboo: hmm, verify that "utf8" encoding is chosen for your ntfs mount..
[11:01] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, I'm talking about the LIVE CD. I'm using it to test out Ubuntu. I put it in my computer and boot it up. The LIVE CD loads up fine until the LOADING SCREEN. The one with the yellow background, the logo, and the loading bar at the bottom. There are no error messages, no writing space, nothing.
[11:01] <michael__> Jesterace: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)
[11:01] <Jesterace> ah ok
[11:01] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, we can also try this with your ntfs volume, what was the full mount command you used?
[11:01] <Jesterace> it has the driver then
[11:01] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:01] <Jesterace> must be a esd thing then
[11:01] <michael__> hmm
[11:01] <Jesterace> it's a good sb live :P
[11:02] <michael__> esd
[11:02] <Jesterace> compared to mine
[11:02] <Uboo> alavista: How do I do that? I simply followed ubuntuguide.org's directions for making it mount on bootup.
[11:02] <jcurry> i'm a debian sid user, running ubuntu's xorg debs...how much trouble would i have editing my sources.list to point to the ubuntu repos and apt-get dist-upgrade'ing?
[11:02] <Jesterace> try a power off then power on
[11:02] <Jesterace> perhaps hardware needs refreshed
[11:02] <michael__> yeh i tried that
[11:02] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, You've said that and I've said that' not enough for me to go on, please accept that answer
[11:02] <geppy> jcurry:  Only one way to find out.
[11:02] <flyingsquirrel54> sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /data
[11:02] <Jesterace> michael type alsamixer
[11:03] <Jesterace> see if it loads up
[11:03] <michael__> no mixer elems found
[11:03] <jcurry> geppy, true...but i was hoping someone else had already done it, and could make suggestions
[11:03] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, You could of told me that you don't have an answer, isntead of saying not enough information which makes me assume you need more info. Please be more accurate.
[11:03] <geppy> Try searching the forums, and such.
[11:03] <afro-pi> no mplayer package under ubuntu ?
[11:04] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok, add this line to the end of /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1       /data  ntfs    user,noauto,uid=alex,gid=alex,umask=077         0               0
[11:04] <isam> hi there .. I think I have a stange new problem
[11:04] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, except in your case replace alex with your login name
[11:04] <isam> k3b can't see that I has a cd-writer
[11:04] <isam> and further more.. it doesn't appear in /dev
[11:04] <seb128> bancus: what about it ?
[11:05] <isam> although it used to appear before I upgraded my syetem
[11:05] <alavista> Uboo: Type "locale" in your command prompt and verify that all lines have the same value. Tell us what value that is (looks like "en_US.UTF-8".)
[11:05] <bancus> seb128, I just put a message on it explaining
[11:06] <bancus> seb, which package should I be trying to build?
[11:06] <flyingsquirrel54> yeh, I caught that
[11:06] <jeanjean> can anyone help i got these error if i open xmms: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:06] <flyingsquirrel54> I'm also gonna put my fat in there
[11:06] <alexwillmer> I thought I'd been clear, first I asked for any errors - since none were printed I couldn't help. don't worry about it too much though
[11:06] <Uboo> alavista: Every line has whatever="en_US.UTF-8" excpet the line "LC_ALL=" which is the last line
[11:06] <andril> are there any good .deb repositories?
[11:07] <michael__> Jesterace: no mixer elems found
[11:07] <andril> anyone have issues with themes after installing Hoary?
[11:07] <Jesterace> hrmm
[11:07] <alavista> jeanjean: You need the "mikmod" package for this.
[11:07] <Jesterace> odd
[11:07] <jeanjean> alavista: thx
[11:07] <LinuxLover> Anyone konw what the command to register on this server is
[11:07] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok. Once you've saved those changes icons should appear in the Computer window - although it may take a relogin or reboot to take effect
[11:07] <LinuxLover> ?*
[11:07] <alavista> Uboo: ok, your shell info is good then.
[11:08] <Uboo> So, what else could it be?
[11:08] <alavista> LinuxLover: Type "/msg NickServ help"
[11:08] <LinuxLover> I did
[11:08] <LinuxLover> --- nickserv :No such nick/channel
[11:08] <alavista> LinuxLover: you got a password?
[11:08] <LinuxLover> Nope
[11:08] <Uboo> alavista: My fstab says "/dev/hdb1	/media/C	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0" and "/dev/hdb3	/media/D	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0"
[11:08] <flyingsquirrel54> standby...
[11:09] <LinuxLover> Thats why I'm trying to register
[11:09] <michael__> Jesterace: so what sounds like my problem is then?
[11:09] <LinuxLover> are services up?
[11:09] <michael__> Jesterace: would it be that my soundcard is not configured properly, or i dont have the correct output plugin selected?
[11:10] <alavista> Uboo: try adding "utf8" next to the umask parameter (.... umask=0222,utf8 0 0....)
[11:10] <talelxix> can anyone help i just installed ubuntu and cant audio to work
[11:10] <Jesterace> michael__, sounds like the soundcard module isn't installed
[11:10] <Jesterace> running hoary or warty?
[11:10] <michael__> hoary
[11:10] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:10] <alavista> Uboo: I figured out "utf8" by running on the command line "man mount", then looking into the NTFS section.
[11:11] <Uboo> alavista: Same. (I'm using "sudo mount -a" after each change)
[11:11] <flyingsquirrel54> great it works!
[11:11] <LinuxLover> What distro do you people suggest for a Linux newbie? Which distro is suitable for someone who's just starting out with Linux?
[11:11] <flyingsquirrel54> will I be risking data if I edit the ntfs partition?
[11:11] <alavista> LinuxLover: err, ubuntu?
[11:12] <asgh> hi
[11:12] <|QuaD-> LinuxLover = newbie?
[11:12] <LinuxLover> Yes
[11:12] <asgh> having real trouble getting grub to boot winxp can anyone help me?
[11:12] <|QuaD-> interesting choice of nick's then :)
[11:12] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: better not edit the ntfs partition. specify the flag to mount it read-only ("ro").
[11:12] <andril> Ubuntu of course - easy + Linux = Ubuntu
[11:12] <LinuxLover> |QuaD-, nicknames don't always describe the user.
[11:13] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, the driver won't allow you to write anything, there is a project called captive-ntfs if you absolutely MUST have write access but it's a last resort and takes some configuration
[11:13] <|QuaD-> LinuxLover: it was just a comment :)
[11:13] <black_Nightmare> hey quad :p
[11:13] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, out of interest why did ou choose flyingsquirrel as a nick
[11:13] <|QuaD-> hey black_Nightmare :)
[11:13] <flyingsquirrel54> Let me be sure I have this clear, the way we confi'd It won't LET me edit, right
[11:14] <black_Nightmare> just trying prep my pc down...especially thinkI need fix some screws too
[11:14] <black_Nightmare> then going to see about ubuntu on it
[11:14] <LinuxLover> |QuaD-, so was mine. =D
[11:14] <flyingsquirrel54> good question!
[11:14] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, the ntfs kernel driver has no write support, it's incapable of writing data
[11:14] <crymsan> ubuntu eh? I'm not getting off to a good start ;-) Warty and Hoary won't boot :)
[11:15] <crymsan> well, the cd's won't boot
[11:15] <LinuxLover> My live cd stalls at the loading screen. Have noidea what to do.
[11:15] <flyingsquirrel54> this is, beleive it or not the first time I've used IRC. Back in the day when it was big I didn't have internet. My boss gets some crazy things that pop in his head, said not to use my name. I kind of like it though
[11:15] <alexwillmer> crysman do any cds bboot for you, the bios must be configured to boot from cd
[11:15] <BockBilbo> hey
[11:15] <crymsan> it will boot a debian cd just fine
[11:15] <black_Nightmare> quad so whats new with YOU anyhow?
[11:16] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me what do the 'd's mean in this ls -ld output: drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 2005-03-23 23:01 folder/
[11:16] <BockBilbo> ?
[11:16] <crymsan> directory
[11:16] <BockBilbo> oh
[11:16] <BockBilbo> :D
[11:16] <crymsan> s = socket
[11:16] <BockBilbo> thanks
[11:16] <asgh> please could anyone help me? i'm getting kinda desperate here...can't get grub to boot up winxp
[11:16] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: same old stuff, exam tomorrow... :(
[11:16] <wavefunction> 'nite.
[11:16] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, heh, it's a bit long but I like it too
[11:17] <phxguy> how can i get my usb wi-fi adapter to work?
[11:17] <black_Nightmare> quad...blah..good luck anyhow.  I hope to get ubuntu on my own pc by the time the weekend is around ;)
[11:17] <flyingsquirrel54> That's perfect about the driver. Thanks for all of your help. Your awsome man!!
[11:17] <flyingsquirrel54> gotta go.
[11:17] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: good luck on that ;)
[11:17] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, you're welcome good night
[11:17] <crymsan> well, maybe I'll just try to upgrade my debian install into ubuntu, here we go
[11:17] <Jesterace> heh cat damn near tore off the tray to my dvd-rw
[11:17] <black_Nightmare> quad..yeah the only thing I'm not so sure about is that I'm told I might have to configure my one and only isa card manually :|
[11:17] <wavefunction> Is it possible to know how a given .deb was compiled ?
[11:17] <black_Nightmare> I hope I can do okay
[11:18] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: whats an isa card?
[11:18] <black_Nightmare> quad.. creative soundblaster 16 [pnp isa card] 
[11:18] <black_Nightmare> its in the isa slot
[11:18] <crymsan> the card that isn't a pci, or an agp :)
[11:18] <alexwillmer> crymsan, there are 2 methods of making bootable linux cds IIRC, some bioses don't work with the second, that may be it
[11:18] <black_Nightmare> crym..LOL
[11:19] <Kamion> wavefunction: apt-get source <package>, start with debian/ruels
[11:19] <crymsan> alexwillmer, sorry, two methods? what methods are these?
[11:19] <Kamion> wavefunction: er, debian/rules
[11:19] <alexwillmer> crymsan, my recolection is hazy, one sec
[11:21] <michael__> Jesterace: so if the sound card module isn't installed.. what do i install then?
[11:21] <wavefunction> Kamion: So, then I can download the sources, define new configuration and then use debian/ubuntu tool for generating a new package, right ?
[11:21] <asgh> has anyone had any trouble with SATA hard drives and grub?
[11:22] <Kamion> wavefunction: yeah, install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'
[11:23] <alexwillmer> crymsan, I'm afraid I can't find a reference. I believe it's something like (1) fake it: embed a bootable floppy image, bios loads that which boots and loads stuff from cd (2) really do it, bootstrap loaded straight from cd and continue from there. Some BIOSs only support (1) which was an interim hack
[11:24] <alexwillmer> crymsan, it's possible that debian uses 1 for compatibility and Ubuntu uses 2, but that's only a guess
[11:24] <wavefunction> Kamion: Thanks, for the help ! I'll try that.
[11:25] <crymsan> alexwillmer, thanks, I'll try upgrading the bios, and if not try upgrading from debian
[11:27] <punkrockguy318> Hmm.. It seems that ubuntulinux is vulnerable to fork bombs by default...
[11:27] <michael__> i tried to apt-get xmms-esd, but it isn't there.. i suppose my sources list isn't complete..  what settings are you people using for sources.list?
[11:27] <michael__> for hoary
[11:28] <punkrockguy318> michael__, i have a pretty complete sources.list and it's not coming up
[11:28] <alexwillmer> crysma simple workaround would be to boot from floppy, Ubuntu must supply an image
[11:28] <fubared> what runlevels should hotplug be in?
[11:28] <michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. thanks
[11:29] <Kamion> alexwillmer: sadly not, our 2.6 kernels won't fit on a floppy
[11:29] <Heliode> Good evening all
[11:29] <Kamion> alexwillmer: I'll check the isolinux/el-torito thing tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure we're the same as Debian in this regard
[11:31] <andril> hy now
[11:31] <andril> anyone using MPlayer?
[11:31] <Heliode> I've got a question; does anyone here have any experiance using WLAN cards with ubuntu? Mine works fine (with NDISWrapper) but its a pain to have it connect to wireless networks. i use it at school and at home, and sometimes i have to reboot the machine before it will even detect networks
[11:32] <michael__> anyone who can help me: i'm having audio problems.. i get no audio from my speakers.. when i go to System->Preferences-> Multimedia Systems Selector and choose any of the  different output sinks, i still get errors
[11:32] <punkrockguy318> michael__, is your volume up?
[11:32] <michael__> yes
[11:33] <punkrockguy318> michael__, what are your errors?
[11:33] <alexwillmer> crymsan, Kamion this might fit the bill http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2004-October/010325.html
[11:33] <black_Nightmare> any of you willing to help me find info on one particular pci card?
[11:33] <michael__> well for example when i click the test button in the Multimedia Systems Selector, i get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'"
[11:34] <theine> Hi, I'm not able to install ubuntu-base under Hoary after the last 'apt-get update'
[11:34] <theine> Is this a known problem?
[11:34] <punkrockguy318> theine, yup, be patient...
[11:34] <alexwillmer> hmm, maybe not
[11:34] <theine> alright
[11:34] <sockler> is 128mb of ram enough to run ubuntu? because thats what i have and its going realllll slow
[11:34] <punkrockguy318> theine, libc-686 needs to be compiled and released etc
[11:34] <theine> I see
[11:34] <michael__> when i run volume meter, i get the error "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." and when i do that, there is no esd command
[11:35] <black_Nightmare> sockler..I think its suggested to have at least 256MB
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> michael__, sudo apt-get install esd
[11:35] <michael__> punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp does not exist
[11:35] <alexwillmer> anyway, time for bed, good night all
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> oh
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> michael__, looks like your soundcard isn't being detected..
[11:35] <LuckyStrike> Hello all
[11:35] <tahorg> anyone here has tried beagle on ubuntu ?
[11:36] <michael__> punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp no such device
[11:36] <tahorg> I've got a lock timeout from mono
[11:36] <socomm> tahorg: google
[11:36] <michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?
[11:36] <tahorg> but dunno where it comes from
[11:36] <tahorg> socomm: I used the wiki
[11:36] <tahorg> socomm: but I've an exception from mono :(
[11:36] <geppy> Does anyone know of a plug'n'play hardware detection solution similar to Windows' pop-up applet daemon?
[11:36] <socomm> tahorg: All right, you gotta setup your FS to be indexed and what not.
[11:37] <tahorg>  /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro
[11:37] <tahorg> that was in the wiki
[11:37] <socomm> geppy: automount?
[11:38] <geppy> socomm: Automount only works with harddrives, cd-rom drives, flash drives, and the like, right?
[11:38] <socomm> geppy: As far as I know, yes.
[11:38] <geppy> socomm: I'm looking specifically for a USB plug'n'play applet for webcams, USB headphones, etc.
[11:38] <socomm> Storage devices in general will show up on your desktop.
[11:38] <geppy> socomm:  More specifically, I'm wanting to write one, and I'm trying to make sure I don't duplicate someone else's work uselessly.
[11:39] <turko> hi, i dont known how to write in english but i need help....with cups
[11:39] <geppy> socomm: I'm wanting to clone Windows' little pop-up hardware detection thingy with something that automatically downloads and installs the drivers for detected devices via apt.
[11:39] <socomm> geppy: Haven't heard of such a thing, but I'd   visit a search engine before taking up such a task.
[11:39] <andrewski> socomm: you in here too? :)
[11:40] <socomm> andrewski: Yes I wanted to see if there was any discussion about the slashdot story.
[11:40] <michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?
[11:40] <andrewski> socomm: slashdot?
[11:40] <geppy> socomm:  I've been trying, but I haven't met any kind of success.  autodetection and plug'n'play just kind of ruin the hope of finding anything.
[11:40] <punkrockguy318> michael__, hmm...
[11:40] <andrewski> socomm: so you don't usu ubuntu?
[11:40] <socomm> andrewski: Yes, but I don't hang out here much.
[11:40] <geppy> socomm:  Some of us have gotten off of our /. addiction;  what is the article? =)
[11:40] <LuckyStrike> How can i auto-identify in xchat?
[11:41] <andrewski> socomm: oh, what slashdot story are you talking about?
[11:41] <socomm> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=106
[11:41] <geppy> yeargh
[11:41] <geppy> is that about NeroLinux?
[11:41] <thoreauputic>  Yqa,  [Yqa]  (cxv@81.213.64.29) : Pamella is doing on-join spam
[11:41] <socomm> Executive summary: Rumors of UserLinux and Ubutnu merging to one Uber distro.
[11:42] <geppy> socomm: Oooh.
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> socomm, did you hear the other /. story? ubuntu is vulnerable to fork bombs
[11:42] <Burgundavia> mailing list post by jdub to userlinux
[11:42] <Burgundavia> and it got a mixed reception
[11:42] <andrewski> UserLinux... never heard of it.
[11:42] <socomm> punkrockguy318: Haven't read that story as of yet.
[11:42] <Burgundavia> and then Bruce Perens said no
[11:42] <turko> alguien que hable espaol y me ayude con cups...quien puede ser?
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> ok just one question before I start yanking cards around (ROFL....me funny) = recoken it wouldn't be difficult to use an ati all-in-wonder radeon 7500 for vga, tv viewing, and to record video to the hd even if I need seperate software for some of the functions?
[11:42] <mwylde> Bruce Perens said on /. that he was sticking with Debian
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> socomm, it's a couple days old
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> its an agp 64mb sdram card
[11:43] <socomm> andrewski: http://www.userlinux.com
[11:43] <geppy> black_Nightmare: That'd be really easy on windows.
[11:43] <mjr> mwylde, hmh, rather a shame, methinks
[11:43] <mwylde> With the state of debian release schedules, I can't see why he's sticking with it
[11:43] <mjr> userlinux and ubuntu would seem to be a good match to me
[11:43] <black_Nightmare> geppy..and for ubuntu?  I was told there's a tv player program already
[11:43] <mwylde> yeah
[11:44] <socomm> geppy: Anyways you'd have to write something specific to GNOME/KDE/XFCE/* whatever. Or a daemon to run in the background and have it communicate with applets written in different Tool Kits.
[11:44] <geppy> black_Nightmare:  I don't know, but my friends have never gotten their ATI cards to work properly.
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> hm :\
[11:44] <geppy> socomm:  Right, I was definitely looking to do it just for GNOME.
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> and I only have ati cards...
[11:44] <punkrockguy318> feel so insecure about my ssh when i am vulnerable to a fork bomb
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> may as well as just prop an ati rage agp in and see if that still works
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> but...I have the aiw laying right there..blah oh well
[11:45] <mwylde> I'm using Kubuntu, and I can't seem to set my display resolution above 1024768
[11:45] <geppy> socomm:  I'm looking to have a daemon that just reads the system messages, and acts appropriately. =)
[11:45] <punkrockguy318> mwylde, same here w/ ubuntu
[11:45] <mwylde> I have an ATI 9200
[11:45] <socomm> Well if you don't have drivers for something I doubt you'll be able to read it.
[11:45] <punkrockguy318> geppy, seems like a good idea... usually obscure hardware isn't in the kernel by default
[11:45] <mwylde> It works fine with FC3
[11:45] <theine> black_Nightmare: my ati card works rather nicely under Ubuntu
[11:45] <socomm> Or access it.
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> hmm...ok I'll try swap the aiw7500 in for now..even if it actually only works as vga card right away
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> thanks a lot
[11:46] <geppy> socomm:  Could you not identify the device, then download drivers for it?
[11:46] <socomm> geppy: Not to my knowledge.
[11:46] <geppy> socomm:  HMm..
[11:47] <socomm> I'm have a very limited knowledge on this area though.
[11:47] <geppy> socomm:  How would Windows do it, then?  They still have to download the drivers once they identify the device.
[11:47] <lrojas> can anybody tell me what to do to enable syntax highlighting in emacs-nox for html, php, css, etc?
[11:47] <garrut> hi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?
[11:47] <reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
[11:47] <socomm> geppy: They probably recognize it as a generic device, then let you figure out what sort of device it is.
[11:47] <black_Nightmare> I just decided to take another look at the wiki again and guess what I found? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards it has an aiw9800 in the list.....so maybe I'm not too far off
[11:48] <aldarsior> hey, the default config for rhythmbox seems to not support mp3s, is there a way to correct this or should I just use something else for music?
[11:48] <socomm> geppy: Let you figure out the make, model, etc.
[11:48] <reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
[11:48] <geppy> socomm: On Windows?  With all of the webcams, USB sound devices, etc, that I've used, it auto-magically determines what it is, and only notifies you as it progresses in installing it.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> aldarsior: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:49] <reraq> debian da x yeniden nasi configure ederim? x acilmio
[11:49] <reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
[11:49] <aldarsior> thoreauputic: thanks a bunch.
[11:49] <socomm> geppy: Yes it determines that it's a web cam and lets you figure out what sorta cam it is.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> aldarsior: you'll need the universe repository
[11:49] <thoreauputic> aldarsior: and you're welcome :)
[11:50] <geppy> socomm:  Hmmm, I definitely remember this incorrectly.  I'll have to play around with some of my friends' Windows boxes this week. =)
[11:50] <socomm> geppy: You'd probably better off discussing this on ubuntu's mailing list though.
[11:50] <geppy> socomm: Alright, thanks! =)
[11:50] <socomm> Sorry I wasn't of more help. :^)
[11:51] <geppy> socomm:  Don't be, linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net is entertaining me. =)
[11:51] <socomm> geppy: Good luck.
[11:51] <geppy> socomm: Thanks!
[11:57] <phosphorgreen> hello all
[11:57] <Mr_Elendig> hi
[11:57] <phosphorgreen> does anyone here have experience with wu-imapd
[11:58] <phin> hey, is there a way to get the trash BACK on the desktop?!
[11:59] <rempresent> my graphics card isn't working as fast, or it seems like it is chuggy, how can i go about diagnosing this?
[11:59] <handsome_b> hello everybody