[12:19] Anyone knows where one places a DSDT so mkinitrd appends it? Or a good RTFM pointer? === jimmyw [~waaaa@82.141.246.25] has joined #kubuntu [12:23] heya all , im just after breaking xandros for the 2nd time in 2 weeks and it seems im not the only one , so now im downloading kubuntu, would anyone be able to answer a few questions for me? [12:24] jimmyw: I can try [12:24] allee: I compiled mine into the kernel. [12:25] wickie: that what I want to prevent ;) === LeeJunFan [~junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu === kidzeus [~kidzeus@athe730i-0294.otenet.gr] has joined #kubuntu [12:26] I checked kern.log. Now it looks like no DSDT patch is applied (or ubuntu changed printks?) [12:27] allee: thanks, since kubuntu is really ubuntu with kde instead of gnome , will the packages released for ubuntu work perfectly on kubuntu? [12:27] They will, yes. [12:27] jimmyw: yes. [12:27] Hey. I just installed kubuntu-desktop to my hoary installation, and now when I run synaptic and go to upgrade packages, it tells me that it's going to remove ubuntu-base. and I can't unmark it. Will this screw my gnome? [12:27] Nope. [12:28] Ubuntu-base is a metapackage... removing it won't remove anything else. [12:28] allee: have you ever used xandros , mepis before using kubuntu ? [12:28] jimmyw: no. Never saw a reason before kubuntu to try a debian flavor [12:29] thanks. was kinda worried [12:29] hmm ok, sorry for the questions , just tryin to decide on which distro to go for , i thought i had it with xandros but ... === kidzeus is now known as taki [12:30] If you like KDE, Kubuntu is great. [12:30] apokryphos: yeah i installed ubuntu about a month ago and i liked it except for gnome, we use gnome in college and i just dont like it, probably from using windows for so long === taki is now known as kidzeus [12:31] is kubuntu totally stable since its still only a preview release? [12:31] Not totally stable; technically in "developement", as is all of Hoary. [12:31] i just don't like not being able to right click and edit lots of properties in gnome... and the spatial file manager by default is sooo annoying for me [12:31] apokryphos: have you had any probs with it? [12:32] but, as far as I've seen the majority of the community is using Hoary. At least nearly everyone on IRC. [12:32] and that can't be disabled on the machines at my university [12:32] but at least i can login under kde there [12:32] jimmyw: there are a few little tweaks that need to be done (sudo stuff needs to be finalized; one or two broken dependencies still), but generally it's been great. [12:32] dimmak: i wish we could here, its stupid ,the admins (maybe rightly) are so protective of their linux boxes [12:32] what school? [12:33] that's funny jimmy, cause I tend to prefer Gnome, and I've been using OS X for a while now. [12:33] apokryphos: its sounding very good, do g++ and other development tools come preinstalled? [12:33] dimmak: ul , ireland [12:33] I wouldn't mind being able to change my screen res on the fly with my ati. any word on that? [12:33] jimmyw: Pre-installed... I'm not sure. But the vast majority of compile necessities come with one package; easily installable. [12:34] kidzeus: i used to work for symantec for a while and i used a max there, i LOVE the look of os x, i dont think any desktop can match it yet [12:34] apokryphos: ah yeah, thats ok , xandros didnt come with any development tools [12:34] yeah, I must say I've yet to see it's match for usability and pleasure. at least for my own needs [12:34] jimmyw: just download the "build-essential" package. [12:34] oh , i dont spose anyone knows if kubuntu supports nvidia opengl by default? [12:34] but I figured it was long past due I hop into linux, and ubuntu is treating me right so far [12:35] i really like mac for "expose" ... sorry no easy way to accent in gaim and i don't memorize the clipboard [12:35] jimmyw: it supports it all; drivers can be installed very easily; can get them from the repositories. [12:35] or character map rather [12:35] kidzeus: everything about macs scream finesse, my dad runs a digital imaging lab and they all use macs, he got a mac mini to see what its like, putting asside that its not a powerhouse ,its an incredible setup [12:36] expose has changed the way I manouever. Seriously, every time I sit down at a non-mac, I click my middle mouse button and blink when the windows don't all shuffle into smaller versions. [12:36] apokryphos: it was a pain in the ass to get nvidia to work with mdk [12:36] I like the latest gnome and kdes though. slick. and kde screams. [12:36] kidzeus: haha ,theres probably a medical term for that! :D [12:36] jimmyw: Ubuntu is the opposite. :) [12:37] apokryphos: excellent <-- in mr.byrnes voice :D [12:37] yeah... i would love if windows tile feature didn't suck [12:37] 44 mins til my iso is finished downloading :D [12:37] but kde is just fine for me [12:37] cool :) [12:37] an expose port would be welcomed [12:37] but I do have a problem burning cds. Apparently 2.6 kernel doesn't handle scsi emulation, which I didn't realize I needed. I downloaded three burning apps, including graveman, and I can't burn a disc [12:38] problem with expose port is that expose uses mac's graphics core. so it doesn't actually bother the main processor. means I can watch video in one little window, or while it zooms in or out, and see everything in the other windows live with no slow down [12:38] kidzeus: ya try k3b? [12:39] no. should I? [12:39] one sec. lemme change this nick === kidzeus is now known as taki [12:39] kidzeus: yeah its a great burning tool ,sorta neroesque [12:39] there we go. [12:39] will download it now [12:39] anyone here from ireland? [12:40] I also would love to see ndiswrapper preinstalled. as a total newb, it took me a few days to get my wifi card running [12:40] jimmyw: not that I know of, but there's at least a couple of Brits. :P [12:40] im reading really good reviews about kubuntu here [12:41] man, I love how easy it is to switch between the two windows systems [12:41] apokryphos: over here we are really lucky with the downloading of linux distros, HEA or higher education authority have huge servers of linux distros and they are really fast so we can download whatever flavour pretty quickly , i think the uk have a similar setup [12:42] if you have ubuntu installed and then you decide to download kde for it, is it the same as kubuntu or no? [12:42] I'm not sure if we do, but that sounds really sweet [12:43] apokryphos: you from uk? where abouts? [12:43] jimmyw: pretty much. There's a few kubuntu tweaks. See: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE [12:43] London [12:43] ive never been to london , always wanted to go ,maybe when i finish college this year [12:44] kubuntu-desktop is available for package download. it adds all the functionality of kubuntu, I believe, with no loss. I have both now === SeFoKumA [~sefokuma@228.Red-81-44-200.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:44] taki: can ya choose when logging in which to go for? [12:44] but lord do I have a ton of apps populating my k menu. too many to find things [12:44] You're quite right, taki. Essentially, the kubuntu tweaks are mainly contained in the "kubuntu-default-settings" package. There's still tweaks on other progs like KDM, though. [12:44] jimmyw: course. === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.187.113] has joined #kubuntu [12:45] yeah, you can choose default, and every time at login you have th eopportunity to switch [12:45] also, you can switch easily by using ctrl-alt-backspace and relogging [12:46] damnit! i have the ubuntu disk sittin in my drawer beside me! i could have just installed that and downloaded kde-desktop [12:46] kubuntu-desktop, yes :P [12:46] <-- king of wasting time and bandwidth , lol! [12:46] What's the file browser app in kde? [12:47] Konqueror [12:47] Oh, duh. thanks [12:47] taki: i was just reading there that kubuntu-desktop comes with k3b as default, you might already have it installed [12:48] ah i spose im better off getting kubuntu since its the hoarty , is it difficult to upgrade warthog to hoarty? [12:48] Nope, very easy. Takes the editing of one file and two commands. [12:49] is the download big? [12:49] Quite, yes. [12:49] Around 500 megs, I'd guess at. [12:49] oh right, so i might as well just wait for kubuntu to download :D [12:49] I do. Using it now:) will let you know if it works [12:50] taki: cool [12:50] so far so good. got past where the others did. thanks:) [12:50] apokryphos: when hoary(i now learned the spelling :) ) becomes stable , will it be easy to update kubuntu to stable version? [12:50] taki: fingers crossed :) [12:50] jimmyw: Very easily; that's the glory of Debian-based systems. It takes only two commands to do so. [12:51] i gotta tell yas, im really liking the sound of this , but im still a little annoyed that xandros didnt work out , i really liked that system [12:53] Never tried it, but sounds reasonable. [12:54] apokryphos: been using linux long? [12:54] Just under a year now, I think. [12:54] go back to windows much? === irbdavid [Dave@modem-3455.elk.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [12:55] I don't think I've logged into Windoze, at home, for a few months now. [12:55] rock on. I know have my package archive saved to disc. all 500 megs worth;) thanks Jimmy === irbdavid [Dave@modem-3455.elk.dialup.pol.co.uk] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:56] taki: no probs :) [12:56] so now when I reinstall ubuntu, I can just install them all from here? [12:56] taki: when i get kubuntu installed would ya mind telling me how to do that? that would be extremely handy incase anything goes pear shaped somewhere down the line [12:57] taki: I'm on about 10G mirroring amd64 and i386 right now :) [12:57] no prob. I found 'em in /var/cache/apt/archives/ [12:57] so you can put in your burned cd , add the path to synaptic and just reinstall em all? [12:58] with synaptic you just make sure not to select clean cache immediately. [12:58] yeah, synaptic has that option where you add resources. you can add a cd [12:58] haven't tried it yet [12:58] thats brillaitn [12:58] brilliant even [12:59] and kubuntu has kynaptic. don't see a tab or button or option for modifying sources there, though [12:59] kynaptic blows - use synaptic. [12:59] I run synaptic from kde in a terminal, though. if you don't have it default, I suppose you can download it [12:59] or better yet - just use apt-get [12:59] LeeJunFan: can ya use synaptic with kubuntu ? [12:59] Kynaptic is pretty primitive at the mo. [12:59] or does it just allow kynaptic? [12:59] jimmyw: sure can. you can use any of ubuntu [12:59] yeah, will probably switch to apt-get. but seems more complicated for doing things like setting the resource to a cd [01:00] jimmyw: open konsole, sudo apt-get install synaptic === MindZEye makes a promise to himself to look at the Kynaptic code. [01:00] so will upgrading to the final version of hoary require anything more than apt-get installing? [01:01] LeeJunFan: thanks! , i dont mean to be smart , but i think il be on this chan quite a bit when im finding my feet with kubuntu [01:01] taki: actually I found editing /etc/apt/sources.list to be easier. Just one line to change then, not 10 boxes. [01:01] taki: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. Nothing more. [01:01] jimmyw: it's worth it. I just switched from mandrake a couple days ago. [01:01] jimmyw: I've been running Mandrake for about 6 yrs and redhat for a couple before that. They both stink. [01:01] LeeJunFan: great , cos im using mdk10.1 at the mo, well whatya think ? [01:02] jimmyw: compared to ubuntu anyway. I just didn't like the path they were taking with their overbranding and customizing. [01:02] jimmyw: now I just have to upgrade my servers to ubuntu. [01:03] yeah thats why i said i think mdk is too cumbersome, its like a corporate gleam over linux or something [01:03] thank lee and apok for the two heads-ups. I suppose I should have realized that I could add the cd into sources.list. that's where I changed my settings anyway. what's the syntax for adding the cd? [01:03] jimmyw: yep, and they are getting more and more corporate-anal every day. I've contributed to cooker for as long as I've used mandrake, and 10.2 was just too much crap for me. [01:04] oh thats another thing, i have my samba server setup in mdk, using swat , in xandros it came preconfigured and was childsplay to change, whats kubuntu like for setting up swat? [01:04] LeeJunFan: i installed 10.2 rc about a week ago and immediately got rid, didnt like it at all [01:04] jimmyw: swat and webmin are only an apt-get away. ;) [01:05] I'm going to have to start hunting for how to set up my linux so I can see my powerbook and vice versa. do I need to make use of samba? totally clueless. [01:05] eggs cellent :D [01:05] jimmyw: yeah, I wanted a sleeker less adulterated linux. And the article for ubuntu/kubuntu just happened to be on slashdot when I was looking for a debianlike distro. [01:05] taki: there is an apple share, ive never used it but webmin lets you set it up [01:06] taki swat will be a big help - Samba has SOOO many options. [01:06] LeeJunFan: i had half if mepis downloaded but stopped cos i read better things about ubuntu, and then kubuntu [01:06] thanks guys. swat and webmin. will look. [01:06] yeah i agree ,swat is so handy [01:07] Mepis seems great too; heard good things about it. Community isn't nearly as big as Ubuntu, though. [01:07] IRC comparison is... dazzling. [01:08] I wish my mirror would hurry up. I want to install 386 version on my other partition so I can run vmware and get some work done. I hate relying on windows for radio/topo mapping software. heheh [01:08] hehe === _b [~b@24-90-94-112.nyc.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:09] i had awfull trouble with mkd a while ago tryin to get it to compile a wrapper for me, i had to use 3 wrappers in conjunction and 2 of them needed different versions of g++ ,such a pain in the ass finding which ones were needed [01:09] 11 mins left :) [01:09] the k7 optomized kernel... make a noticeable difference? [01:09] apokryphos: yeah, I looked too when I was switching distro's. I noticed the only distro that had more IRC users was debian. And ubuntu had even more than #linux. :) [01:10] apokryphos: oh thats what you meant by irc comparison :) [01:10] Well, Gentoo is the largest out there, IIRC. :P [01:10] taki: somewhat - but so much stuff won't compile for amd64 w/o a hassle, and prebuilt binaries like my modem driver and vmware won't work. Right now openoffice is br0ke. === wkenny [~wkenny@228-91-74-65.gci.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:10] has anyone here installed gentoo? its sposed to take AGES to get setup cos of having to compile everything [01:10] and if I install it (the k7 build), do I have to reinstall other stuff that's linked to specific headers? I'm thinking ndiswrapper here, and maybe mplayer had a k7 build. [01:10] I've heard great things about gentoo, except not for newbs. so I didn't bother. [01:11] jimmyw: nope, and that's why I haven't. I want a distro I can take on a DVD and go to a friends house and convert them even if they don't have a 1Gbps internet connection :) [01:11] got a quick question about sudo in kubuntu... I just installed the kubuntu preview release of hoary... it is asking for a password for sudo whereas the regular ubuntu doesn't... do I need to configure something for it? [01:11] Regular ubuntu does ask. Unless you open a root terminal [01:11] wkenny: it sure does. use your user pass. [01:11] aaah, okay, thanks [01:12] taki: which you can't do unless you sudo -s first w/ a password and setup a root password :) [01:12] taki: catch22 there. [01:12] LeeJunFan: its funny you should say that , cos i feel both good and bad, good that i converted 4 of my mates to linux via xandros, bad that i discovered it has big flaws...might be popping round with kubuntu tomorrow hehe [01:12] actually, there's a root terminal link in the apps/system folder. opens right up [01:12] really, okay, that makes it a bit easier. [01:12] <_b> I just installed kubuntu, and was disappointed to see it didn't install x-chat [01:13] that said, I'm extremely impressed with kubuntu... [01:13] _b: well, it is a KDE-based distro. [01:13] <_b> Konversation seems ok, but I miss the pre-installed server list === wkenny is now known as tehkgb [01:13] _b a good few distros ive tried didnt come with it , xchat rocks [01:13] I don't know why people would use x-chat when Konversation is out there, but hey. [01:13] jimmyw: ah well, technology moves fast. That's the way it goes, what's good one day is old and busted the next. I've got a couple people converted already myself. [01:13] <_b> irc noob here, is there some way I can load all that stuff into konversation in one shot? [01:13] thanks again y'all [01:13] I'll have to check out x-chat. I'm on snak on the mac right now while I do some stuff on k/ubuntu [01:14] _b: all the channels? Course. [01:14] LeeJunFan: i reckon these new user friendly distros and live cds that come free with magazines are converting thousands [01:14] taki: don't :P. Konvi is much better. =) [01:14] jimmyw: Everyone knew me as a mdk evangelist for the most part, and they really couldn't believe it when I tried kubuntu and removed my local mandrake mirrors, deleted my system backup, repartitioned, and threw away 6 years of mdk discs. [01:14] :) [01:14] apokryphos: never tried konvi, whats it like? [01:14] <_b> apok, xchat lets a newbie just go ahead and use it, konversation has nothing but #kde on there === trans_err [~trans_err@hc65272dd.dhcp.vt.edu] has joined #kubuntu [01:14] jimmyw: Konversation. It's excellent. [01:14] jesus, really LeeJunFan ? thats a big step isnt it? [01:14] <_b> apokryphos: , sorry, shortened your name [01:15] _b: erm, what? I think it's pretty user-friendly. [01:15] x-chat is ugly :P === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.60.161] has joined #kubuntu [01:15] never tried konversation , im using xchat at the mo, i must say i really like it so :P apokryphos hehe [01:15] 5 mins !!! [01:15] jimmyw: yep. I was so impressed with the fact that ubuntu was not overbloated with automated crap I couldn't keep up with, and it was much lighter and more pure. [01:16] <_b> I'm talking about the server list, apokryphos -- that's what I'm asking. with x-chat i didn't have to go googling or whatever for server names and channels [01:16] Okay, before I go to konvi, I get a message at the end of the webmin install. saying it uses a seperate password file, and that a root password was generated frm that file. but when I open the file in an editor, I see nothing [01:16] <_b> as I guess I have to do... [01:16] <_b> with Konversation [01:16] jimmyw: Mandrake was always doing something stupid that caused me grief - one was ifplug, I love having a server that reset all my routes and what not because a switch lost power or a machine it was crossed over to got rebooted. Just lame. [01:17] LeeJunFan: member you said mdk was becoming really corporate? well i just remebered we had a "linux event" in our college run my mdk and they gave away free cd's of mdk 10.1 and quick start guide, they are really chasing down the market [01:17] _b: Ubuntu has a server list. Don't know why you have to go Googling... Freenode is pretty much the only one to use. [01:17] jimmyw: of course it only took 1-2 times before I decided I better either get rid of it or learn to configure it, but that was just ONE thing. [01:17] *Konversation, not Ubuntu [01:17] taki: with webmin you can use root as user and yer root pass and pass [01:18] <_b> apokryphos: I am not on drugs here. I know what I'm looking at: Server list -- freenode. That's all it says. [01:18] ooh 2:30 left , blank cd is in the burner, k3b is open... im all prepped hehe [01:18] <_b> maybe you haven't used x-chat and don't know what I'm referring to [01:18] taki: yeah, only the way ubuntu doesn't setup a root password your root pass in webmin after setup will be disabled. you'll have to cut/paste your root passwd from /etc/shadow to /etc/webmin/miniserv.users [01:18] _b: I have used it. When did I deny that it says Freenode? I'm lost. [01:19] You seem to be complaining because Konversation doesn't automatically come with a list of servers, right? [01:19] LeeJunFan: thats weird, how come webmin doesnt have root login as default? [01:19] <_b> jesus, apokryphos , scroll up if you care. X-chat comes with a very large list of servers. A newbie doesn't have to add stuff; konversation just presents me with blanks to fill in. === evan_d [~evan@12.173.107.122] has joined #kubuntu [01:20] LeeJunFan: it does, but only if you have a root account with an actual password [01:20] 50 seconds ... [01:20] How do I open webmin? I can't seem to find it [01:20] jimmyw: by default it takes the one from the system when you set it up - only in ubuntu root passwd is * (disabled) by default. Which is why you have to use sudo, and sudo -s to get a root shell. [01:20] oh right ,sorry [01:20] taki: localhost:10000 [01:20] _b: Well geez, I'm sorry to hear that it's so terribly user-unfriendly because it doesn't give you a list of servers. [01:20] taki go to web browser type https://localhost:10000 [01:21] jimmyw: if you set a root password before installing webmin it should use that ok. [01:21] Speaking of user-unfriendliness.. I don't see all these button options on the side of xchat with Whois, Version, Kick, Part, Ban, Quit etc... [01:21] LeeJunFan: i think i better do that, the lads i live with arent that gentle with pc's :) [01:22] though admittedly it does it differently ;) [01:22] <_b> yes, apokryphos , I "seem" to be noting that fact yes; no "seems" about it; that was what I said. Very simple. Doesn't start with a list of servers. Simple fact. If it's preferable to you that that is so, great. Works for you. For me xchat was much more convenient. You are way too defensive about apps beginning with "k". [01:22] hey, what do I press to "start"? There's a K where my "start" usually is and I don't dare press it because I think it means "K"ill. :) [01:23] _b: Way to defensive? I think it's a wholly ungrounded to critisize Konversation as necessarily unfriendly because it doesn't give you a list of servers. [01:23] Okay, I didn't set a root password, and I'm unsure what to do now. and it says the host has been blocked due to too many unauthorized attempts [01:23] How does the newbie know to go on Freenode, even when it's presented there? [01:24] <_b> I was talking about newbies to irc, apokryphos . I don't need to be a power user, I need to find channels. Which I'm googling for now, since evidently my original, simple request for help was apparently inappropriate here. [01:24] a newbie to IRC will emphatically NOT know that Freenode is gonna be the channel they're likely to spend 99% of their time on. [01:24] <_b> I didn't say it was "unfriendly" apokryphos , lighten up, would you? I said I preferred xchat, for my needs. [01:24] ooh im burning now , yesh yesh! [01:25] LeeJunFan: you have a bluetooth phone? [01:25] apokry, what was that you were saying about using sudo -s to open a root terminal? then what? [01:25] _b: "xchat lets a newbie just go ahead and use it, konversation has nothing but #kde on there". If you're not insinuating that it's user-unfriendly there, then.. [01:26] I don't think computers should be user friendly. They should be productive, if you're too dumb to be productive then you don't need a computer. :) [01:26] <_b> apokryphos: did I run over your cat or something? [01:26] taki: you can just use sudo for any command you wanna do with root priveldges. [01:26] I'm not down with that at all LeeJun. For 95% of computer users, they definitely need to be friendly. like a car or a toaster or any other appliance [01:26] taki: there might be a way to set root password from start menu, im not sure in ubuntu cos i havent used it, is there a control centre? [01:26] No, I mean for getting into webmin [01:27] _b: Not at all. Despite what you might think, I'm not anti-gnome or anti-gtk at all. I think some of their apps are great. When I think a criticism is unfair though, I'll explain why I think it is. :) [01:27] yeah, it's there [01:27] taki: no they don't. Should we dumn down 747's too :) [01:27] 747s aren't for every home. [01:27] taki: type this in console : sudo passwd root [01:27] 747s are operated by specially trained folks because lives are at stake, and there's no way to really fix that well yet. [01:28] _b: Dislike cats :P; more of a dogs person (though don't have one myself =)). [01:28] then set the root pass, webmin pass should be same, LeeJunFan might be able to help you better,im not taht familiar with it [01:28] taki: exactly. Dumbing down a 747 would basically mean turning it into a cessena. We don't want a dumbed down linux with less "confusing" features, that's what windows is for. Linux is the 747. [01:28] computers, 90 some percent of the time, are for everyday people to help them do work or for entertainment. therefor they definitely should be made as easy to use as possible. I'm not saying don't have options for power users [01:28] <_b> Who the heck is talking about gnome? and I "insinuated" nothing. I came here for help (to find out if there was a quick way to load a bunch of servers into the server list in one swoop) and just got this tirade. [01:28] taki: sudo -s will have you in a root terminal [01:29] taki: ok. close enough. [01:29] problem is, webmin took its initial password from the alrady existant root password. which didn't exist. I gues I can reinstall it [01:29] :) [01:29] taki: no need. [01:29] taki: sudo -s [01:30] guys, thanks for all the help, ive just burned it, gonna install now,il be back in a while to give ya my first impressions :) if yas are still here hehe [01:30] _b: hence the "anti-gtk" added in. I'm sorry, but you might have "just" come in for that, but... by the way, "insinuated nothing" is meaningless. You clearly did; I don't think you're in the business of making vacuous sentences, as I amen't. [01:30] _b: I answered your question that you can load a bunch of servers on startup... [01:31] taki: then vi /etc/shadow, copy the crap between the first and second : (that's your encrypted pass). Then :q to quit vi. Then vi /etc/webmin/miniserv.users press 'i' to enter insert mode - remove the * and paste your password in it's place. [01:31] <_b> apokryphos: my original comment: "Konversation seems ok, but I miss the pre-installed server list." For that you act as if pulled out a flame thrower. [01:31] jimmy, how do I change root's password in Password & User Account? it only gives me the option for my regular login account [01:31] _b: That is not true. I made no response to that comment. [01:31] <_b> "seems ok" to mild praise for you? Hey apokryphos , it's god's gift! happy? [01:32] I never said that you hated it; I simply thought that your criticism of it was ungrounded. What's the big deal [01:33] <_b> There was no criticism, apokryphos , there was the comment that "I missed the server list." [01:33] Konversation is what does it for me; xchat does it for others. Whatever floats your boat. [01:33] _b: Again, as I said, I made no response to *that* comment. [01:33] Ah, didn't realize he vanished. LJF, do you know where I change the password for root? [01:33] <_b> Yes you did; you contradicted it, implying that Konversation was not lacking anything that x-chat had [01:34] taki: sudo passwd [01:34] Contradicting it does not mean that I responded to it. Please check what I wrote; my response was to your, ""xchat lets a newbie just go ahead and use it, konversation has nothing but #kde on there" [01:34] _b: I have never said, nor implied, that konversation is not lacking anything that xchat has. I have no idea. [01:34] <_b> anyway, this is one way to keep me using the damn thing! Instead of apt-getting x-chat, which I'm doing ... now-- gnight. [01:35] <_b> lord, apokryphos , get some sleep man. [01:35] _b: Good night :). I'm sorry for the hassle, but hey. ;) === _b [~b@24-90-94-112.nyc.rr.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:35] yeah, look above. [01:36] taki: that's how you change the password in webmin anyway. if you just want to change the root password just do sudo passwd root [01:36] taki: but that won't change your webmin pass automatically. [01:37] leejunfan, sorry to be a bother, but when you say copy between first and second in shadow, I'm unclear on what is 'first' and what is 'second' [01:38] taki: first : and second : - the colons [01:41] Thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have worked. I believe from what it said at configuration that it takes the password from the .users file the first time it starts. [01:41] taki: grep ^kidzeus/etc/shadow | awk -F : '{print $2}' [01:41] taki: that'll print out your encrypted pass. [01:42] taki: assuming your username on the system we are talking about is kidzeus [01:43] taki: then take that and replace the * in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users where it says root:* [01:44] Sorry to be so clueless, but where does it print it? the terminal where I typed it in is just hanging [01:44] taki: ctrl-c [01:45] taki: it shouldn't. crap - there should be a space between ^kidzeus and /etc... [01:45] right, that gets me out of the hang, but I still don't see the password. I had found it in the shadow file earlier. ah, okay. retry [01:45] grep ^kidzeus /etc/shadow | awk -F : '{print $2}' === Quest-Master [~Quest-Mas@c-24-99-26-36.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:46] needs a sudo to execute, and then just gives me the prompt with no output [01:46] taki: sudo -s [01:47] taki: that will make you become root in the shell. [01:47] sorry, my bad. forgot the colon after F. got it [01:47] taki: ok, now you need to copy/paste that whole line in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users - remove the * and put the pass key in there. === Glin|Jol [~bobo@66-108-244-133.nyc.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:49] access denied from too many wrong entries;) I'll try again in a bit [01:50] taki: you might have to /etc/init.d/webmin restart to get it to load the passes again. [01:51] woot! thanks:) [01:51] all good [01:51] taki: cool. [01:52] taki: and think of what you just learned as opposed to just uninstalling and re-installing webmin after setting a root pass :) [01:52] Oh, I will. I appreciate it. [01:53] np. [01:53] Gonna spend some time learning unix commands as soon as I get things setup half decently. [01:53] taki: yeah, you'll find grep,awk,sed,head,tail,cut,expr and quite a few others very useful. [01:54] taki: those are probably the most used. [01:54] taki: well - for scripting type stuff anyway. Of course mkdir, rm, ls, are used more for disk operations :) [01:55] wow - old school, the dukes of hazzard are on tv. [01:55] Those I've got somewhat of a handle on. the file ones [01:56] ha. man I loved that show [01:56] taki: when I was in second grade my class wrote in to the show and they sent us all autographed group pictures of the cast [01:57] At least I think it was 2nd grade - that was a long time ago :) === SeFoKumA [~sefokuma@228.Red-81-44-200.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:58] taki: it's funny, as I remember it Daisy looked better. [01:59] owell, off to get some laundry done. later. === SeFoKumA [~sefokuma@228.Red-81-44-200.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@166.153.59.236] has joined #kubuntu [02:02] me, I was in 4th, I think. But god I loved it. Later LJ === azuzak [~azuzak@201009179011.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@166.153.59.236] has joined #kubuntu [02:08] okay. late here. later all [02:08] thanks so much for the help === darkgamer20 [~rajiv@ppp-68-122-227-147.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === claydoh is now known as claydoh|HL2 === sander__ [~sander@pool-68-160-223-80.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === CarlK [~ck2@c-24-13-54-45.client.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === phxguy [~phxguy@ip24-251-194-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:28] Can anybody in here help me with my screensavers??? === CarlK [~ck2@c-24-13-54-45.client.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu [] === BROKEN_LADDER [~BROKEN@h-67-103-33-230.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === jw [~waaaa@82.141.246.25] has joined #kubuntu [02:42] heyas all [02:42] im back in mandrake :( === jw is now known as jimmyw [02:43] grrr says I to the installation [02:43] GRR! [02:43] LeeJunFan: ya here? === regeya_ [~shane@dialup-4.159.178.27.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:54] could anyone please give me some help? i just installed kubuntu and i need some advice [02:54] what's up? [02:55] jimmyw: how can i help? [02:56] heya dimmak , installed it , it setup my network connection automatically (which i didnt want) it failed to detect my nvidia graphics card and my mouse, so in command prompt i did xorgconfig , got kde loaded up but cant get my network settings changed [02:58] heya. [02:58] jimmyw: edit /etc/network/interfaces [02:58] jimmyw: man interfaces [02:59] i dont mean to sound like a muppet but is there no config tool ? im a bit disappointed initially by the whole thing [03:00] i think the control centre is rubbish too :| [03:00] if it doesn't "just work" you are usually gonna have to edit some config files [03:00] what distribution are you migrating from? [03:00] dimmak: true, but i thought it would "hold my hand" along the way :) [03:00] from mdk and xandros, i had it easy til now hehe [03:01] jimmyw: http://www.ubuntuguide.org [03:01] jimmyw: you learn more by being in the front lines with your system. :) [03:01] jimmyw: MDK and Xandros hold your hand, but the ease of use comes at a cost. ;) [03:01] this has been my favored distro so far... with knoppix for troubleshooting systems [03:02] i only had to get it to detect my 2405fpw properly [03:02] but on my laptop it is perfect === Quest-Master only uses Ubuntu and Sysreccd [03:02] Only Knoppix for cases when I need a Live GUI [03:02] dimmak: I'm suprized as heck everything on my brand new lappy worked right out of install. [03:02] yeah... the thing even standby's and wakes up properly [03:03] total surprise [03:03] ok fuckit lads, im gonna try get ubuntu working cos i heard so much good about it, Quest-Master thats tutorial looks like it has all i need to get started === regeya_ [~shane@dialup-4.159.179.217.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] 1680x1050 screen, built in minipci wireless, mouse & touchpad, etc. [03:03] i was impressed that all the touchpad buttons worked just fine [03:04] i usually have to edit the config files... everything works for a while... then something happens and the files revert and i need to redo the process [03:04] hehe I had to fiddle with my xorg.conf file to make X work reasonably :p [03:04] jimmyw: there you go man :) linux is like a martial art - it's not easy along the way, but in the end when you can kick everyone's ass you realize that wasn't important after all - it was the journey that was important. [03:04] ggilbert_: i had to do a modeline thing for my display [03:04] but now i am cruising at 1920x1200 [03:04] same [03:05] LeeJunFan: lol! they should have you doin commercials! [03:05] ggilbert_: yeah i had to mess with my xorg.conf too, im a bit disheartened that it didnt pickup my mouse!! [03:06] that kind of marketing wouldn't bring in fresh faces though [03:06] and kde 3.4 doesnt look that fantastic :( [03:06] just keep the current faces spirits up [03:06] it didnt get either my 2005fpw or my coworkers apple cinema displays [03:06] make sure to anti alias those fonts [03:06] yeah... hopefully that is remedied for the future [03:07] jimmyw: I will agree with you on X, normally I like to get down and dirty with text files, but X, and sendmail are just !@#!@'ing crap when it comes to configuring them by hand for a newbie. [03:07] is was a single line of code that got me working fine [03:07] it did work on my powerbook out of the box [03:08] LeeJunFan: true, i mean for intents and purposes it is working for me ,but i mean i couldnt get onto irc cos i gotta configure my ethernet to a specific ip [03:08] i find that setting up linux requires two computers going to get it done quickly [03:09] dimmak: yeah that would have been awfull handy! but alls i have is one [03:09] one for setting up, one for irc? ;-) [03:09] dimmak: It certainly helps, yes [03:09] regeya_: Yes. :) [03:09] and its a shitty dell at that [03:09] jimmyw: yeah, you know what I would like to see instead of all these distro's doing config tools on their own? A tool that basically just asks you questions about what you want to do, and directs you to the manpages and documention to do it. That would be a HUGE help for newbs. [03:10] tahts true, sorta like a synaptic but instead of finding programs,its a directory of man's [03:10] isn't that yelp? [03:10] a nice ncurses thing that can run in any console/window. Not something that actually does it, but teaches people and points them in the right direction. [03:10] ggilbert_: is it? [03:10] I think so [03:10] screw the newbs... i want to see torrent based repositories or something. [03:11] ggilbert_: I'm checking now. [03:11] ugh. no bittorrent :) [03:11] then I can't get updates while at work :p [03:12] ggilbert_: what ya mean no birtorrent? [03:12] starting out is the worst part for newbs, they don't konw where to begin to accomplish X task. But if you have a flowchart type thing that at least tells you what to read.... [03:12] jimmyw: Stuck behind a network that disallows bittorrent [03:12] eeeeeeeep tahts annoying === abc is now known as Roey [03:12] alright... well i am gonna entertain my niece with "my neighbor totoro".... adios. [03:13] no bittorrent! [03:13] i got her hooked on studio ghibli [03:13] LeeJunFan: i found as a newb that mandrake was great, it did a lot of stuff itselft but there were still things i had to learn myself ,a good bit, which i can apply to any distro [03:13] sheeya dimmak [03:14] im gonna go to bed too, il have another crack at ubuntu tomorrow, night all, and thanks a million for help === jimmyw is now known as jimmyw-ZZzzzz === Telep_ is now known as Telep [03:15] ggilbert_: yelp is kind of like a manpage browser, but I mean something that basically is like a knowledge wizard. What distro do you have? ubuntu. What do you want to do 1. Change a setting, 2. install/remove software... and then lead them to documentation for it. kind of like a control panel for docs. [03:15] ah [03:15] would point them to the files they need to edit, etc... [03:15] I'm starting to think it's time to python this thing into existence. [03:16] like the whole - give the person a meal and they feast for a day, give them the knowledge to garden and... === thoreauputic_ [~debianarc@wolax7-012.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === thoreauputic_ is now known as thoreauputic === vishal [vishal@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #kubuntu [03:28] hi [03:28] 'lo [03:28] is konq-plugins going to be available anytime soon? :) [03:29] (specifically, tools->crashes is what I'm looking to use) [03:29] i dunno [03:29] <-- n00b [03:29] =) [03:31] question from a luser: i'm thinkin of moving from mandrake 10.0 to kubuntu when it releases, does it have GUI applets to config the system (like a 'control center')? or do i go to the shell to run scripts? [03:31] the live CD didnt have any, and i read on the web that kubuntu doesnt yet have applets, but will ? [03:32] vishal: it has several, both the same KDE one everybody hs, and some others. [03:33] ok, so it will/does have applets other than the ones that come with KDE? (custom GUI-based system config tools) so i dont have to ever open a command promtp 8-P ? [03:33] vishal: dream on :-) [03:33] lol [03:33] vishal: not even in Mandrake. [03:33]