[12:01] <herve> doko, I let you think about it :-)
[12:01] <herve> ++
[12:04] <lamont> dholbach: gcc-2.95 _WANTS_ to die
[12:04] <lamont> and in fact, you can't fix it... (it needs bootstrap love, which I will only give it under duress)
[12:04] <dholbach> gcc-3.2 too?
[12:04] <lamont> yep
[12:04] <dholbach> doko approved it, but i wasnt sure
[12:04] <dholbach> rocking
[12:05] <dholbach> i'll tell elmo
[12:05] <lamont> well, 3.2 won't build - if you look at it, you'll find that there's a circular dep-wait
[12:05] <dredg> dholbach: make sure you use the actual words "wants to die" :)
[12:05] <lamont> how'd it get installed on i386...
[12:06] <dredg> 23.00 and haven't eaten yet. ok, stopping work for today.
[12:07] <lamont> hrm.. actually, I might should maybe bootstrap gnat where I can... doko?  thoughts?
[12:07] <Slant> What is the proper method of reporting Universe bugs? Or perhaps, a better question, where was I supposed to look to find out how? I wasn't able to find anything.
[12:07] <dredg> malone :)
[12:07] <dredg> it's your friend.
[12:07] <dredg> mmmm
[12:08] <dredg> happy...
[12:08] <dredg> *ahem*
[12:08] <dholbach> sladen: it will be  http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone , but for now, it's either this channel or ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:08] <dholbach> argl
[12:08] <dholbach> Slant: it will be  http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone , but for now, it's either this channel or ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:08] <Slant> Ahh, ok.
[12:09] <Slant> Should I try using malone irght now, or just e-mail the list?
[12:13] <sabdfl> Slant: malone!
[12:13] <Slant> I tried. No access.
[12:15] <koke> dholbach: UniversePriorityList is great :)
[12:15] <dholbach> good
[12:16] <dholbach> :-)
[12:19] <koke> dholbach: how did you made it?
[12:19] <koke> some script?
[12:19] <dholbach> i chucked the list together and then used a python script by mvo :-)
[12:20] <koke> can you pass me that stuff, it'd be great to have info about what has to be done for each package
[12:20] <koke> or at least, what transition/section does it belongs to
[12:22] <dholbach> just a sec
[12:24] <tseng> anyone want to upload f-spot?
[12:24] <dholbach> i completely lost track of what to upload
[12:24] <dholbach> so just give it over here
[12:24] <dholbach> :-)
[12:24] <dholbach> url?
[12:24] <tseng> well you cant get to my site
[12:26] <ajmitch> hi
[12:29] <ajmitch> UniversePriorityList looks big
[12:35] <dholbach> it is due to UniverseDoesNotBuild
[12:35] <dholbach> (which is not finished itself)
[12:36] <dholbach> tseng: how do i get them?
[12:37] <tseng> http://getsweaaa.com/~tseng/f-spot/ if you can
[12:37] <tseng> if you cant i guess i will have to put it somewhere else
[12:38] <dholbach> cant
[12:38] <tseng> smarterits.com/~brandon/f-spot
[12:39] <tseng> uh
[12:40] <tseng> wtf
[01:37] <koke> tseng: were you the mono guy?
[01:38] <ogra> koke, he still is
[01:38] <koke> ok, so I guess you also maintain tomboy
[01:38] <koke> http://www.reigndropsfall.net/index.php?itemid=149
[01:38] <koke> "
[01:38] <koke> Hmm, that Tomboy icon is really out of place (for any icon theme). If only theyd use a sane icon like the one that Jakub made a couple of months back"
[01:38] <koke> what do you think about that??
[01:39] <koke> we could include a new HIG compliant icon in the ubuntu package while upstream realises the icon needs to be changed :)
[01:39] <tseng> koke: i think ive asked him to give me a working patch for it
[01:39] <tseng> and i give him credit, he took a nice stab at it
[01:39] <tseng> but it doesnt work
[01:40] <tseng> if anyone else has hacked in a new icon, ill happily take it.. dont really have time to waste on it
[01:45] <koke> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/Artwork/LowresTomboy <-- the icons are missing :(
[02:17] <crimsun> test-building wxwidgets2.5-2.5.3.2ubuntu3 (fixes FTBFS on ppc, which is holding up at least wxvlc)
[02:19] <dholbach> libnet-ph-perl fixed
[02:21] <ogra> yay+#
[02:24] <dholbach> looking at xlockmore
[02:25] <ogra> bah, morgue, we have a screensaver *g*
[02:26] <dholbach> it seems to be quite popular on the debian end
[02:26] <ogra> hehe, was kidding...i know
[02:26] <dholbach> oh... forgot the smiley :-)
[02:30] <dholbach> xlockmore looks goooood
[02:32] <dholbach> what about icewm?
[02:32] <dholbach> is it fixed?
[02:41] <koke> tseng: http://koke.amedias.org/2005/03/24/tintin-is-not-hig-compliant/
[02:41] <mdz> dholbach: did you have luck prioritizing according to the popcon data?
[02:41] <koke> do you like that?
[02:42] <dholbach> mdz: YEAH! wiki/UniversePriorityList
[02:43] <mdz> dholbach: that list looks just right; great work
[02:43] <dholbach> mdz: but the list is as incomplete as wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild - since the rebuilds will still be taking 2-3 days
[02:43] <mdz> kdebase is in main now
[02:44] <tseng> koke: dude jimmac made icons
[02:44] <dholbach> mdz: yeah, it's not perfect and i'll try to poke the right people :-)
[02:44] <mdz> it builds and is installable, too
[02:44] <tseng> koke: they just need a patch to a few files
[02:44] <koke> tseng: where the hell they are??
[02:44] <dholbach> mdz: must be still on one of the lists (python could be)
[02:44] <tseng> koke: one minute dude
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/Artwork/LowresTomboy <-- the icons are missing :(
[02:44] <tseng> its on his blog way back
[02:45] <tseng> oh, damn
[02:45] <mdz> if you guys can get only the top 25% or so of that list, I think you'll be in good shape
[02:46] <dholbach> i can't stop the constant-headache i have, when i think about all the broken packages (and those to come)
[02:46] <mdz> try not to worry about the ones to come; we'll make it easy to exclude them from reports
[02:47] <dholbach> from user reports to? :-)
[02:49] <koke> it seems just lacks a build-dep on libxinerama-dev
[02:51] <lamont> koke: quite likely, actually
[02:55] <ogra> dholbach, didnt you talk about libdumb yesterday ? i thought you touched it
[02:55] <dholbach> erm
[02:55] <dholbach> i think i uploaded it already
[02:55] <ogra> its still on the X lost
[02:55] <ogra> list
[02:56] <dholbach> chuck it out
[02:56] <dholbach> please
[02:56] <crimsun> [libdumb_0.9.2-5ubuntu1.dsc] 
[02:56] <ogra> dholbach, sure :)
[02:58] <schweeb> think I'll take a look at x2vnc, I know a bunch of peeps that use it
[02:58] <koke> schweeb: I use it sometimes
[02:58] <koke> actually I'm not sure if I use x2vnc or x11vnc
[02:59] <schweeb> it's in the fails to build list ;)
[03:00] <schweeb> x2vnc allows you to control a remote display using VNC protocol with your local X keyboard and mouse
[03:00] <schweeb> similar to synergy, etc...
[03:00] <tseng> koke: if you recall jimmacs hd crashed
[03:01] <dholbach> looking at ntop
[03:01] <schweeb> x11vnc exports your X session for control
[03:04] <schweeb> since I've never tried fixing any of these packages before - the source that failed to build is the same you get with apt-get source X? or are those sources stored elsewhere
[03:05] <dholbach> apt-get source <bla> is fine
[03:05] <schweeb> k, good
[03:06] <tritium> good night all
[03:09] <schweeb> cool, think I figured out x2vnc already :D
[03:10] <dholbach> did ajmitch fix licq?
[03:11] <dholbach> ah no.. he's working on it
[03:11] <ogra> is still tagged in the xosd list...
[03:11] <schweeb> standard naming convention is to add -ubuntuX onto the end of the debian version, right?
[03:12] <ogra> no dash
[03:12] <schweeb> k
[03:12] <dholbach> schweeb: what typ of package is it?
[03:12] <ogra> blah-1.2.3-1 becomes blah-1.2.3-1ubuntu1
[03:12] <dholbach> native package?
[03:12] <dholbach> no   .orig.tar.gz and  .diff.gz?
[03:13] <schweeb> no, it's not native
[03:13] <dholbach> alright
[03:14] <schweeb> debiain version is x2vnc 1.6-3, so new version would be x2vnc 1.6-3ubuntu1
[03:14] <schweeb> *debian
[03:14] <ogra> yup
[03:15] <dholbach> looking at 3ddesktop
[03:16] <schweeb> lintian complains about capital letter/article as first word in description, fix or leave alone?
[03:16] <dholbach> the latter
[03:16] <ogra> hehe, the first :)
[03:16] <dholbach> if it's your package or you plan to maintain it, ... :-)
[03:16] <ogra> schweeb, up to you
[03:16] <schweeb> dissension among the ranks!
[03:17] <schweeb> yes, I guess if it gets synced with debian again, it'd be a kinda pointless fix
[03:17] <dholbach> it's the workload, that makes us less anal
[03:18] <dholbach> s/us/me
[03:18] <ogra> so i try to avoid them always
[03:18] <ogra> lamont, ping
[03:18] <schweeb> that gsf-sharp package passes lintian, except for the netlibs thing that it doesn't know about ;)
[03:18] <dholbach> hope we get a new lintian soon ;-)
[03:19] <ogra> night koke
[03:19] <koke> I'll put icewm into th list tomorrow if it builds while I'm dreaming
[03:19] <dholbach> koke: you rock
[03:19] <crimsun> may I remove modconf from UniversePriorityList?  It doesn't exist in Ubuntu.
[03:20] <dholbach> it does
[03:20] <ogra> yeah, koke, that was really a nice workday from your side, respect
[03:20] <dholbach> apt-cache showsrc modconf
[03:20] <crimsun> what the
[03:20] <ogra> unfortunately
[03:20] <dholbach> it's for the 2.4-kernels
[03:20] <ogra> crimsun, we also have kernel 2.4
[03:20] <koke> ogra: I just want a script to generate all the .desktop files :)
[03:21] <ogra> yeah
[03:21] <crimsun> argh, does it even build?
[03:21] <dholbach> koke: i want a fix-all-broken-builds-script
[03:21] <lamont> ogra: ak
[03:21] <koke> maybe my target for tomorrow
[03:21] <koke> dholbach: but you have to begin at something
[03:21] <koke> :D
[03:21] <dholbach> at broken-builds ;-)
[03:21] <lamont> schweeb: I should really fix that same lintian error in postfix, eh?
[03:22] <ogra> lamont, how hard would it be to add a http-refresh meta tag to the http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html page, my ctrl and R keys start getting glossy
[03:22] <dholbach> 3ddeskop fixed
[03:22] <schweeb> lamont: hah
[03:22] <koke> ok, sounds reasonable
[03:22] <lamont> ogra: uh, tell me what it should say... :-)
[03:22] <ogra> yes
[03:22] <ogra> easy
[03:22] <ogra> ?
[03:22] <ogra> wait...
[03:23] <lamont> hrm.. will actually be work..
[03:23] <lamont> today, the file consists of nothing but one-line-per-logfile, appended blindly as I go...
[03:23] <lamont> no <head>, etc.
[03:24] <lamont> now I'm gonna have to notice that I'm starting a new file...
[03:24] <lamont> and if you tell me I have to tack something on the end of it, that'll be annoying enough to not do it.. :-(
[03:25] <ogra> in the header put something like <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600">
[03:25] <ogra> ah, no head, darn
[03:26] <lamont> well, can I have a head, but no <body></body> tags?
[03:26] <ogra> hmm, might work....
[03:26] <lamont> <a href="../x/xlockmore/1:5.13-2ubuntu1/xlockmore_1:5.13-2ubuntu1_20050324-0219-amd64-successful">xlockmore_1:5.13-2ubuntu1_20050324-0219-amd64-successful</a><br>
[03:26] <Amaranth> i'm confused, how do i add something to MOTUNewPackages?
[03:26] <lamont> that's what the current lines all look like...
[03:27] <lamont> Amaranth: login (upper right), then click on edit above the page.
[03:27] <dholbach> poking xdiskusage
[03:27] <Amaranth> no, i know that
[03:27] <Amaranth> where do i add it?
[03:27] <lamont> oh.  a harder question.  sihg.
[03:27] <Amaranth> that first table with my name as NEW Maintainer?
[03:27] <dholbach> in the table
[03:27] <dholbach> yeah
[03:27] <schweeb> alright, I got x2vnc fixed... I'm gonna upload to my site... should I sign the pkgs or what? (and how to do so manually)
[03:28] <dholbach> schweeb: just upload it
[03:28] <schweeb> k
[03:28] <ogra> lamont, i'll think about it, probably a frameset or something ..... tell you tomorrow ....
[03:28] <lamont> schweeb: if you dpkg-buildpackage, it defaults to signing,
[03:28] <lamont> otherwise, debsign is your firiend
[03:28] <koke> my firefox is crashing very strangely today
[03:28] <lamont> ogra: sure
[03:28] <koke> dholbach: could you please update http://amedias.org/~koke/misc/UniversePackagesWithoutDesktopFile for me??
[03:28] <ogra> koke, thom just built 1.0.2
[03:29] <koke> I've extracted the window managers from the list
[03:29] <koke> ogra: I guess it's a mozex problem
[03:29] <koke> when I click the textarea it freezes eating my cpu
[03:29] <ogra> oh, youre using extensions...
[03:29] <dholbach> schweeb: be sure to tell elmo he should whitelist your emailadress
[03:30] <ogra> ah great afterstep is done...
[03:30] <dholbach> koke: what shall i change?
[03:31] <koke> just replace the wiki page with the URL's content
[03:31] <dholbach> why dont you do it yourself?
[03:31] <dholbach> dont you have a wiki account by now? :-)
 when I click the textarea it freezes eating my cpu
[03:31] <dholbach> oh nice
[03:31] <dholbach> alright
[03:32] <koke> I can try tomorrow anyway
[03:32] <koke> but I've killed firefox about ten times in the last minutes
[03:32] <crimsun> koke: 1.0.2 is in main.
[03:33] <koke> crimsun: yeah, and update-notifier is telling me I have 241 updates
[03:33] <koke> but I usually update at the university :)
[03:33] <dholbach> koke: done
[03:33] <koke> and I'm on holidays now :)
[03:33] <koke> dholbach: thanks
[03:33] <dholbach> de rien
[03:33] <schweeb> where should I document that I've fixed this package now?
[03:34] <dholbach> debian/changelog
[03:34] <crimsun> \m/
[03:34] <crimsun> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wxwidgets2.5/2.5.3.2ubuntu3/wxwidgets2.5_2.5.3.2ubuntu3_20050324-0138-powerpc-successful
[03:34] <koke> ypopup.cc:118:2: warning: #warning "FIXME: this logic needs rethink"
[03:34] <koke> icewm comments are quite curious
[03:34] <ogra> dholbach, that != what
[03:34] <schweeb> dholbach: I mean to tell others that I've fixed the package, so they don't duplicate work
[03:34] <dholbach> ahhhhhhhh ok
[03:34] <schweeb> ;)
[03:34] <ogra> schweeb, on which wiki page did you find it ?
[03:35] <schweeb> UniversePriorityList
[03:35] <dholbach> xdiskusage fixed
[03:35] <schweeb> should I do it on there, or on UniverseTODO
[03:35] <ogra> hmm, must be on another list too
[03:35] <schweeb> err MotuTODO
[03:36] <ogra> crimsun, with gtk2 ?
[03:36] <schweeb> ogra: DoesNotBuild
[03:36] <crimsun> ogra: yep.
[03:36] <ogra> wooot
[03:36] <ogra> schweeb, then there...and rip it off the Priority list
[03:37] <schweeb> wtf is the diff between "Done" or "Taken Care Of"
[03:37] <ogra> dholbach, ?
[03:37] <dholbach> if it has passed all 4 buildds on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[03:37] <koke> w0w, I was already tired anough but this http://www.burtonini.com/blog//life/india-2005-03-24-02-18 ...
[03:37] <dholbach> then it's done
[03:38] <schweeb> is "Taken Care Of" where you speak for the fact that you intend to fix something?
[03:38] <dholbach> yeah or you fixed it and hope the buildds say the same :-)
[03:38] <schweeb> forgive my green-ness, I'm just trying to do shit right the first time, and learn quickly
[03:39] <dholbach> schweeb: you're doing admirably well
[03:39] <koke> pbuilder is cleaning!!! icewm fixed
[03:39] <ogra> schweeb, six months ago we werent better ;)
[03:39] <dholbach> i was worse
[03:39] <koke> I'll sleep really tight
[03:39] <schweeb> kinda helps that I've used debian day-in/day-out for the last 2 years
[03:40] <schweeb> as an admin and an desktop user
[03:40] <ogra> yeah
[03:43] <ogra> nearly 4am
[03:43] <koke> icewm uploaded, see you
[03:44] <koke> I'm running out of batteries :)
[03:44] <koke> bye
[03:44] <ogra> hmm, we probably should announce malone in ubuntu-users
[03:44] <dholbach> koke
[03:44] <dholbach> bye
[03:45] <ogra> dholbach, i've given up to try this, he's always gone to fast if he says that :)
[03:45] <schweeb> argh,I really wish there was a way to stay always logged into the wiki
[03:48] <dholbach> schweeb: i'll upload your packgae, right?
[03:48] <schweeb> yea
[03:49] <dholbach> i'll check it :-)
[03:49] <schweeb> http://schweeb.org/~chris/ubuntu
[03:49] <dholbach> unstable -> hoary
[03:49] <dholbach> in the changelog
[03:49] <dholbach> apart from that... good
[03:49] <schweeb> err whoops
[03:50] <dholbach> not to worry :-)
[03:50] <Amaranth> there are tools that generate all this stuff, aren't there?
[03:50] <Amaranth> the control and changelog and etc
[03:50] <schweeb> dh_make and friends
[03:50] <dholbach> schweeb: i change and upload it, right?
[03:50] <schweeb> dholbach: you mean you're fixing it, or you want me to?
[03:51] <dholbach> schweeb:   dch -i Dhoary   <--- helps
[03:51] <Amaranth> hah, i took the files from pymusique and have been modifying them by hand
[03:51] <dholbach> schweeb: i do it and spare you the pain
[03:51] <schweeb> heh
[03:51] <schweeb> alright, cool
[03:51] <dholbach> schweeb: you tested it? it installs?
[03:52] <schweeb> yes
[03:52] <dholbach> rock
[03:53] <dholbach> uploaded
[03:53] <schweeb> cool :)
[03:53] <schweeb> man, editing the wiki sucks... I can't get ffox to search the textboxes
[03:53] <dholbach> schweeb: take a seat in the back row and enjoy:  lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/thread.html  and  http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[03:53] <ogra> Amaranth, be carful with that, one tends to make errors or leave old junk in....better use the debhelper scripts
[03:54] <Amaranth> ogra: *shrug*, all i really had to do was change every pymusique to menueditor and edit the control file
[03:54] <Amaranth> both are python apps that install the same way
[03:55] <schweeb> dholbach: :D
[03:55] <ogra> Amaranth, try building it in pbuilder and let lintian check it...
[03:55] <Amaranth> lintian?
[03:55] <ogra> yup
[03:55] <schweeb> lintian rocks
[03:55] <dholbach> did my 200th upload *headbang*
[03:56] <crimsun> nice!
[03:56] <Amaranth> why do i need pbuilder to use lintian?
[03:56] <dholbach> Amaranth: as a packager you need both
[03:56] <dholbach> pbuilder to build packages in a clean environment, lintian to perform nitpicking-checks
[03:57] <ogra> Amaranth, pbuilder cares for the building like the buildd does, lintianb chacks for all the other chacks
[03:57] <ogra> outch, time for bed i think...
[03:57] <dholbach> s/chacks/cracks ;-)
[03:58] <ogra> dholbach, come on, 4am, i'm allowed to make typos...
[03:58] <schweeb> dholbach: so I need to tell elmo to whitelist my email?  is that for when I start being able to upload stuff on my own (hopefully eventually), or do I need to it now?
[03:58] <dholbach> you don't need it
[03:58] <dholbach> but it's nicer
[03:58] <dholbach> because 1) you get a receipt mail by the buildd  2) you appear with your full name on hoary-changes
[03:58] <dholbach> and 3) elmo asked for it
[03:59] <schweeb> k
[03:59] <lamont> and 4) you get reject notices
[03:59] <lamont> if any
[03:59] <ogra> schweeb, you'll see your packages even before you are allowed to upload, e.g. when dholbach uploads for you, you get katies nice ACCEPTED/REJECTED mails
[03:59] <dholbach> so just ping him tomorrow, tell him your name and mail adress and that you're going to be rocking MOTU soon
[03:59] <schweeb> alright
[04:00] <schweeb> elmo's in the UK?  what's the time offset between US->UK I always forget
[04:01] <ogra> 8h ?
[04:01] <crimsun> where are you based, schweeb?
[04:01] <ogra> donno exactly and i guess it depends if youre west or east
[04:01] <schweeb> k, sounds about right
[04:01] <schweeb> EST
[04:01] <crimsun> schweeb: he's approximately 5-6 hours ahead of you
[04:01] <crimsun> we're (EST) -0500 GMT
[04:02] <Amaranth> whee, running pbuilder
[04:02] <crimsun> ok, time to test on amd64.  Sigh.
[04:02] <ogra> crimsun, sigh ?
[04:02] <schweeb> ah, it's based off Greenwich... /me never even connected the 2
[04:03] <crimsun> ogra: I've been burned by 64-bit so many times that I just make it a point to compile on both arches now
[04:03] <crimsun> err, i386 and amd64
[04:03] <ogra> ah... i dont compile on 32bit anymore :)
[04:03] <crimsun> :)
[04:04] <schweeb> I need to get a 64bit machine
[04:04] <dholbach> ok pals, i'm off to bed
[04:04] <dholbach> good night
[04:04] <schweeb> night
[04:04] <crimsun> bye daniel
[04:04] <ogra> night dholbach, i'll follow up right away
[04:04] <schweeb> crimsun: so you're EST? where you at? MI here
[04:04] <dholbach> *wave*
[04:04] <crimsun> schweeb: NC
[04:05] <schweeb> nice
[04:05] <ogra> night all
[04:05] <crimsun> night oliver
[04:08] <schweeb> nice. guess I have "unstable" in my gsf-sharp package too
[04:08] <schweeb> whoops
[04:11] <schweeb> is there a config setting in devscripts.conf or something where I can tell it to always use hoary?
[04:11] <Amaranth> heh, pbuilder just found me an error in my control file :P
[04:11] <Amaranth> i forgot to build depend on python-dev
[04:12] <schweeb> which is the point of pbuilder ;)
[04:12] <crimsun> Amaranth: python2.4-dev, currently, please
[04:12] <Amaranth> oh, i just did python-dev (>= 2.4)
[04:12] <crimsun> ok, that'll work
[04:13] <Amaranth> ok, so how do i use lintian?
[04:13] <schweeb> lintian blah.deb
[04:13] <schweeb> and I think you can do lintian -c blah.changes to check from a changes file...
[04:15] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/kXgVVQ88.html <--d'oh
[04:16] <Amaranth> are any of those serious?
[04:17] <dredg> all very easy to fix
[04:17] <dredg> `lintian -i' will give you full descriptions
[04:18] <Amaranth> well, i don't have a man page :P
[04:18] <dredg> write one
[04:18] <Amaranth> heh, can it just say the command and a short description?
[04:18] <Amaranth> there isn't anything else to it
[04:21] <crimsun> if it's missing a man page, that's not RC
[04:21] <crimsun> (release-critical)
[04:21] <crimsun> you should definitely look into implementing one, however
[04:21] <Amaranth> i can make one, once i learn how :P
[04:22] <crimsun> it's very straightforward
[04:28] <Amaranth> i've got it down to just the man page
[04:28] <Amaranth> i'll make one of those and upload -2 for consideration for universe
[04:41] <Amaranth> meh, i suck at creating man pages
[04:41] <schweeb> ugh, this ethereal source is organized hideously
[04:43] <Amaranth> ok, -2 uploaded without a man page
[04:53] <schweeb> is it appropriate to put a strict python2.4 dep in the build-deps?
[04:53] <crimsun> yes
[04:53] <schweeb> where it's currently just "python"
[04:53] <schweeb> (no version whatsoever)
[04:53] <schweeb> okay
[04:54] <crimsun> gkrellm here
[04:54] <Amaranth> don't suppose i could get anyone to take a look at http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/
[04:54] <Amaranth> it's pretty small
[04:54] <schweeb> crimsun: yea, I was gonna do that, but no amd64 box
[04:54] <crimsun> Amaranth: sec.
[04:57] <crimsun> Amaranth: Debian-native?
[04:57] <Amaranth> ?
[04:57] <Amaranth> no, i don't think so
[04:57] <Amaranth> the unstable bit in the changelog is just me being stupid
[04:58] <crimsun> but you wrote it, correct?
[04:59] <Amaranth> yep
[04:59] <crimsun> ok, lintian will complain about the versioning scheme then
[04:59] <crimsun> since you're both upstream and the ubuntu maintainer, it's probably best if you reversion it to just 0.4.2
[05:00] <crimsun> then tack on the ubuntu1
[05:00] <crimsun> -> 0.4.2ubuntu1
[05:01] <crimsun> unless, of course, you absolutely want 0.4.2-2ubuntu1
[05:03] <Amaranth> done
[05:04] <crimsun> whoa
[05:05] <crimsun> ok, debian/rules needs to be cleaned
[05:05] <crimsun> all right, let's start from the top.
[05:06] <crimsun> make sure the tar.gz extracts into menu-editor-0.4.2ubuntu1
[05:06] <crimsun> eek!
[05:06] <crimsun> you have conflicting source/package names.
[05:07] <Amaranth> eh?
[05:07] <Amaranth> I really didn't want to be the maintainer of this. :P
[05:07] <crimsun> both source and [binary]  package are listed as "menueditor", but your tar.gz extracts into menu-editor
[05:07] <Amaranth> I don't even know where to being.
[05:07] <Amaranth> err, begin
[05:08] <crimsun> ok, well first of all, you need to rename the directory to 0.4.2ubuntu1
[05:08] <Amaranth> the one i'm building out of?
[05:08] <crimsun> second of all, decide what names you'll use for source and binary packages
[05:08] <crimsun> yes
[05:09] <Amaranth> can i use the same thing for binary and source?
[05:09] <crimsun> yes, but source must match the base of the directory if it's non-Debian/-Ubuntu-native
[05:10] <crimsun> in other words, if you choose menueditor to be your source package name, then the tarball must extract to menueditor-0.4.2ubuntu1
[05:10] <Amaranth> ok, so if i call both of them menu-editor and rename the dir to menu-editor-0.4.2ubuntu1 it should be good?
[05:10] <crimsun> yes
[05:10] <Amaranth> actually, i don't want to confuse people already using it, i'll make it menueditor
[05:11] <crimsun> ok, I recommend you use the python policy
[05:11] <crimsun> which means you'll need to bump debian/control:Build-Depends to debhelper (>= 4.2.28)
[05:12] <crimsun> and uncomment dh_python in debian/rules
[05:13] <crimsun> furthermore, you can replace debian/control:Depends's python (>= 2.4) with ${python:Depends}
[05:13] <crimsun> definitely make the long description more verbose
[05:14] <crimsun> the synopsis should probably hint toward being a python-based menu editor for the freedesktop.org xdg standard
[05:14] <schweeb> ugh, this python switch is a pain in my ass
[05:14] <Amaranth> how about "A simple menu editor for GNOME 2.10 that can edit and add new entries."
[05:14] <crimsun> schweeb: cheer up, it's not so bad!
[05:14] <crimsun> Amaranth: is it limited to just gnome 2.10, or might another DE that uses fd.o's xdg utilise it?
[05:15] <schweeb> crimsun: I'm trying to figure out how the ethereal package got the python stuff into site-packages, they're not using a setup.py, and I don't see any explicit python2.3 declarations, it's annoying
[05:15] <Amaranth> Well, if _might_ work but I've got it pretty well setup for GNOME only.
[05:15] <Amaranth> It will more then likely not run at all or be unable to do anything with other DEs.
[05:16] <crimsun> Amaranth: ok, that's a good start then.  You might want to note that while it supports the fd.o xdg spec, it may or may not work with other DEs  [which of course, you'll want to ensure it does if you'd like it to pick up usage] 
[05:18] <crimsun> Amaranth: there are some fairly useless sections in debian/rules that can be deleted, like the whole lib section
[05:18] <crimsun> be sure you call python2.4 explicitly, or use a shell variable
[05:18] <crimsun> PYTHON = python2.4
[05:18] <crimsun> ...
[05:19] <crimsun> $(PYTHON) setup.py build
[05:19] <crimsun> ...
[05:19] <Amaranth> lib section?
[05:19] <Amaranth> I don't even know what that is.
[05:19] <schweeb> which it'd be great if ethereal did it that way
[05:19] <schweeb> @_@
[05:19] <crimsun> Amaranth: "# shared library versions, option 1"
[05:19] <crimsun> that block
[05:20] <crimsun> I highly recommend you consider cdbs
[05:20] <schweeb> mmm cdbs rules
[05:21] <crimsun> cdbs will simplify many, many things
[05:21] <Amaranth> well, that can come later :)
[05:21] <Amaranth> new try uploaded
[05:22] <Amaranth> still ubuntu1, dunno if i should have changed that since it isn't in any repo yet
[05:22] <crimsun> nah, not really worth changing
[05:23] <crimsun> although I tend to use ubuntu0~1, ubuntu0~2, ubuntu0~3, ...
[05:23] <crimsun> then when it's all fixed, I bump it to ubuntu1
[05:24] <Amaranth> good idea
[05:24] <crimsun> you're missing a COPYING (license) file
[05:24] <crimsun> that's critical
[05:25] <crimsun> although debian/copyright might be able to pass
[05:25] <schweeb> question, why would a -dev package (ethereal-dev) have an explicit depend on debhelper and cdbs... ?
[05:25] <Amaranth> lintian told me not to have that
[05:25] <crimsun> Amaranth: since it's native, all right, that's true
[05:28] <crimsun> sorry, need to jet for a bit, be back
[05:28] <Amaranth> ok
[05:28] <Amaranth> thanks for your help
[05:30] <schweeb> oh nice... it's a manual copy of this python script to site packages in the rules file, jesus
[05:34] <Amaranth> o_O
[05:54] <schweeb> W: ethereal source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[05:54] <schweeb> ^^^ what's that mean
[05:59] <Amaranth> use -i
[06:01] <Phython> Hi, given that I am a DD and I uploaded a package to debian, to get it into ubuntu, I should add the package to the MOTUToSync page and then it should someone else will rebuild it?  Or should I build the package on Ubuntu, sign it, put it in my own repo and put it on the MOTUTodo list?
[06:03] <schweeb> which package?
[06:04] <schweeb> and does it already exist in ubuntu?
[06:05] <Phython> schweeb: yes, retchmail does, libwvstreams4.0 doesn't, libxplc doesn't
[06:05] <Phython> oh yeah, libwvstreams3 is also in base, so I dono't want to mess with that
[06:08] <schweeb> I'm not authoritative or anything, but I imagine if you fix all those packages to build on ubuntu, someone will at least consider syncing/adding them
[06:08] <schweeb> as long as they're not in main
[06:09] <Phython> schweeb: I'm put libwvstreams4.0 in universe until after hoary is released then let it move to main with a new wvdial
[06:09] <Phython> schweeb: I'll put up a repo soon enough with this stuff
[06:09] <schweeb> yea, that's what they'll be lookin for
[06:13] <schweeb> alright
[06:14] <schweeb> got ethereal fixed, test building now
 Then why use debmaker?
[07:00] <HostingGeek> *g*
[07:01] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Ignored.
[07:04] <HostingGeek> You know i only cp that here so others can tell you why
[07:04] <HostingGeek> as hardly anyone repects me
[09:42] <herve> hi!
[10:41] <Amaranth> g'night all
[10:56] <dholbach> hey!
[10:57] <crimsun> morning daniel :-)
[10:58] <dholbach> hey daniel!
[11:44] <dholbach> is there ANY package that DOES build in universe: wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild ?
[11:45] <ogra> what for ? we have apt-get.org :-P
[11:45] <ogra> morning all
[11:45] <dholbach> hey ogra
[11:45] <dholbach> updated UniversePriorityList will take me a while
[11:45] <dholbach> will have to do it by hand
[11:46] <ogra> hrm
[11:46] <ogra> dholbach, seen my mail to the other daniel ?
[11:46] <dholbach> erm
[11:46] <crimsun> which, me?
[11:46] <ogra> nope robitaille
[11:46] <crimsun> ah
[11:47] <dholbach> oh ROCK
[11:47] <ogra> i invited him to become MOTU, i think its about time
[11:47] <dholbach> yeah good thinking
[11:49] <dholbach> our list system is becoming a bit of a PITA
[11:49] <dholbach> may i ask you to remove a package you fixed everywhere from all lists?
[11:49] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure I already do that
[11:49] <dholbach> alright
[11:50] <dholbach> just wanted to impress it on you all again
[11:50] <dholbach> it's not perfect and i hope i have a better system for breezy
[11:56] <Amaranth> crimsun: I'm using cdbs now. :)
[11:56] <dholbach> ARG
[11:56] <dholbach> ARG
[11:56] <dholbach> ARG
[11:56] <crimsun> Amaranth: great!
[11:56] <dholbach> UniverseDoesNotBuild is fucked up now
[11:56] <dholbach> because of buildd fuckup
[11:56] <Amaranth> crimsun: The help you were giving me last night with the rules file seemed to have broken it (was making an empty data.tar.gz) so I figured I might as well switch.
[11:56] <Amaranth> :)
[11:57] <crimsun> guh, I don't understand how diacanvas2 built on ppc 6 days before
[11:57] <crimsun> and suddenly it just ... doesn't?
[11:57] <dholbach> i give up on lists
[11:57] <dholbach> i COMPLETELY give up
[11:57] <dholbach> see you in half an hour
[11:57] <dholbach> fuck
[11:58] <crimsun> go get some coffee
[11:58] <crimsun> :-)
[11:59] <Amaranth> crimsun: Think you could take another look at it?
[12:00] <ogra> dholbach, relax
[12:00] <crimsun> Amaranth: sure, but I'm really tired; do you mind if I look in the afternoon during a break at work? (~8 hours)
[12:01] <Amaranth> I'll be asleep but sure. :)
[12:01] <crimsun> Amaranth: just leave your away log on, and I'll prefix comments with your nick
[12:01] <Amaranth> away log?
[12:01] <Amaranth> how do you make one of those? :P
[12:01] <crimsun> do you use irssi?
[12:01] <Amaranth> no, xchat
[12:01] <Amaranth> just pm comments?
[12:02] <crimsun> hmm, when you set /away in irssi, it logs statements addressed to you and pms
[12:02] <crimsun> here, test with xchat right quick
[12:02] <Amaranth> ok
[12:02] <crimsun> (let me know when you've set away)
[12:02] <Amaranth> oh, i did before i said ok :P
[12:02] <crimsun> k
[12:03] <crimsun> Amaranth: this should show up in your log when you come back from /away
[12:03] <Amaranth> what log? :)
[12:03] <crimsun> is it in your server window?
[12:03] <Amaranth> err, i don't have one
[12:03] <crimsun> k, nevermind, I'll just pm you
[12:03] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:04] <Amaranth> ok
[12:06] <crimsun> k, quick nap, then back to work.
[12:26] <dholbach> Burgundavia: hey
[12:26] <dholbach> crimsun: sleep tight :-)
[12:29] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:31] <dholbach> Burgundavia, comme va-tu?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> xchat actually crashed on my
[12:48] <Burgundavia> s/my/me
[01:32] <koke> hi all!
[01:32] <Burgundavia> salut
[01:59] <koke> some has put it in the Done list?!
[01:59] <dholbach> might have been me
[02:00] <dholbach> i was messing around with the lists yesterday
[02:00] <dholbach> sorry for that
[02:01] <koke> do you know if the ubuntulinux.org zope has webdav enabled??
[02:02] <dholbach> erm
[02:02] <dholbach> dunno at all
[02:25] <dholbach> koke: where is it? i'll upload it
[02:26] <HostingGeek> Hi daniel!
[02:27] <dholbach> hi... whats your name?
[02:29] <HostingGeek> Is it possible to take mallarts LEGAL GPL package of that itunes app that Amaranth is working on (who ingore me for ome weird reason) and stuff it into universe some day so we can install it any not get dependce problems because ubuntu has a diffrent version of gstreamer?
[02:29] <koke> http://www.amedias.org/~koke/debian/hoary/icewm_1.2.18-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[02:30] <dholbach> koke: i'm on the phone, but will take care of it
[02:30] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: You're off ignore now. PyMusique needs libfaad2 from CVS.
[02:30] <koke> ok, I'm going to make something for lunch now
[02:30] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Everything that uses libfaad2 would have to be patched and recompiled.
[02:30] <dredg> Amaranth: fool. chuck him back on ignore :)
[02:30] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: which is in universe
[02:30] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: The release version. We need the one from CVS.
[02:31] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: well i said SOME day
[02:31] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: and not for hoary
[02:31] <Amaranth> Sure, when libfaad has a new release.
[02:31] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: if your cooking why not put into ##cooking for some tips ;)
[02:32] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: there is a lot of cvs stuff inside the reps
[02:32] <dredg> wonderful justification.
[02:32] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: and i belive grumpy will be used for cvs snapshot builds of gnome
[02:32] <Amaranth> grumpy doesn't exist
[02:33] <Amaranth> name changed to breezy
[02:33] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: no
[02:33] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: there is going to be grumpy AND breezy
[02:33] <HostingGeek> grumpy will be like sid/experiMENTAL
[02:34] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: you can read my thread on the forums where daniels replys
[02:34] <HostingGeek> and explains
[02:35] <dredg> HostingGeek: are you a troll?
[02:35] <HostingGeek> dredg: did i just troll?
[02:35] <HostingGeek> dredg: the answer is no if just in case you are wondering
[02:36] <dredg> actually, are you a script that contains 'print "I want $randpackage in ubuntu"' running from cron?
[02:38] <HostingGeek> dredg: if i was a motu i would be able to do it my self
[02:38] <dredg> last i checked, that wasn't a requirement
[02:39] <HostingGeek> dredg: umm thats only not a requeirment for 1 or 2 packages
[02:39] <HostingGeek> dredg: but really i want to rebuild 40 packages or so
[02:39] <HostingGeek> and my talents going to waste...
[02:39] <HostingGeek> :P
[02:40] <dredg> so you reckon that instead of trying to get MOTU it's better to get someone here to do it for you?
[02:40] <dredg> how does this sound: go away.
[02:41] <dholbach> HostingGeek: being a MOTU is about involvement
[02:41] <dholbach> and dedication
[02:41] <dholbach> and being active yourself
[02:41] <HostingGeek> dredg: i will do it IF i could
[02:41] <HostingGeek> but as ubuntu hates me
[02:42] <dholbach> not about complaining, asking others to do stuff
[02:42] <HostingGeek> i'll never see them being THAT friendly to me
[02:42] <dholbach> you just complain again
[02:42] <HostingGeek> yes
[02:42] <dredg> HostingGeek: it's very simple, if you have nothing better to do than demand things, you have no real business being here
[02:42] <dholbach> everyone in here had assembled some piece of code and asked others kindly to review it
[02:43] <HostingGeek> and i contuine untill i could help
[02:43] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: I think the point here is that there are huge lists about packages to fix before release
[02:43] <koke_cooking> so we can't afford new packages atm
[02:43] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: and i can fix some of the,
[02:43] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: and i can fix some of them
[02:43] <dholbach> HostingGeek: you're in here nearly ALL day, you really should have figured out, how things work
[02:44] <dholbach> i don't even doubt that your intentions are good
[02:44] <dredg> that, and all of us here are doing this on our own time. telling us what you want doesn't get results.
[02:44] <dholbach> but your approach is completely wrong
[02:44] <HostingGeek> and i will fix them if i could with having to edit the wiki for every damb fix
[02:44] <dredg> the only motivation for any involvement is because you want to, for whatever reason.
[02:44] <HostingGeek> dredg: you get me wrong
[02:44] <dredg> then please, give me a better impression of you
[02:45] <dholbach> dredg: exactly, stop this discussion here
[02:45] <dholbach> it only wastes time
[02:45] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: The correct questions to ask, for those of us who aren't that experienced are ones that pertain to specific problems. Such as "blah does build right with this error. Any ideas?"
[02:45] <HostingGeek> dredg: I am a type of person that wants stuff and WILL do it myself IF I could but as I am not a motu i can't
[02:45] <dholbach> HostingGeek: show involvement, and we'll appreciate it
[02:45] <HostingGeek> dholbach: Yes but for every damb fix i need to edit the wiki
[02:45] <dholbach> HostingGeek: please drop it: Burgundavia is not MOTU too, even koke isnt yet
[02:45] <dholbach> and they work hard nevertheless
[02:46] <dholbach> HostingGeek: that's how things work, if you don't like it, don't consider it and stop wasting people's time
[02:46] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I'm not a MOTU either. I made the package for my stuff and offered to maintain it. You could too.
[02:46] <HostingGeek> well how do fix stuff with out being a MOTU
[02:46] <dredg> enough. if you're not prepared to put the work in yourself then don't ask anyone else here to do it for you.
[02:46] <dholbach> HostingGeek: i upload packages for other guys, that's how things work
[02:46] <HostingGeek> dredg: I am!
[02:46] <dholbach> people don't get uploader status for nothing
[02:47] <HostingGeek> dholbach: i don't need the power to upload
[02:47] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: have you really been in this channel all this time?? :)
[02:47] <dholbach> then fix a package, upload it somewhere and ask us to review it
[02:47] <schweeb> like this:
[02:47] <schweeb> dholbach: ethereal
[02:47] <schweeb> hehe
[02:47] <HostingGeek> dholbach: i need the power to be able to help with out aving so do 2 extra steps
[02:47] <HostingGeek> *having
[02:47] <dholbach> which steps?
[02:48] <HostingGeek> currently if i want to help i need to do extra useless steps
[02:48] <dholbach> WHICH steps?
[02:48] <dholbach> editing the wiki?
[02:48] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: you can't expect nobody to trust in your packaging abilities the first time
[02:48] <HostingGeek> 1) Upload the packages to somewhere else
[02:48] <HostingGeek> 2) Get it reviewed
[02:49] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: why not??
[02:49] <HostingGeek> all i want to have to do is send in a patch
[02:49] <HostingGeek> for the fixes
[02:49] <schweeb> seriously though, I fixed ethereal for python 2.4, and it's on my site for someone's review... this should also fix kismet since it failed on installing ethereal-dev... http://schweeb.org/~chris/ubuntu
[02:49] <koke_cooking> I can do it, I don't think you're more special than me :)
[02:49] <dholbach> HostingGeek: hear my FINAL word: everyone in here sticks to the rules, they all dedicate their time and it's great to have them in a team - if you don't intend to stick to the rules, GO AWAY
[02:49] <schweeb> and, off I head to work, later
[02:50] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: uploading a .diff.gz is quite similar to send a patch
[02:50] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: The problem is if its a simple fix i don't want to have to upload 10MB
[02:50] <dholbach> a diff.gz won't be 10mb
[02:50] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: http://www.amedias.org/~koke/debian/hoary/
[02:50] <koke_cooking> look at there
[02:50] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: a diff.gz to the diff.gz?
[02:51] <dholbach> debuild -S  will make up a source packge
[02:51] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: the diff.gz are the changes between the .orig.tar.gz and your version
[02:51] <dholbach> store .dsc and .diff.gz somewhere and they will in the most cases be less than 100k
[02:51] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: i know
[02:51] <koke_cooking> but the orig.tar.gz is already in the arvhive, you don't have to upload it
[02:51] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: but what if i want to make a SIMPLE patch to a diff.gz
[02:52] <HostingGeek> i can't submit a patch
[02:52] <dholbach> HostingGeek: do the diff.gz or leave it
[02:52] <HostingGeek> i need to upload the whole diff.gz
[02:52] <dholbach> HostingGeek: please stop complaining
[02:52] <Amaranth> hey, instead of fighting with HostingGeek could someone poke at http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ ? :)
[02:52] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: oOh, some kbs are killing me :)
[02:53] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: what's the problem???
[02:53] <HostingGeek> dholbach: you know the problem with gdeb it needed a simple edit in the CONTROL file why the hell do i need to upload 100KB
[02:53] <koke_cooking> mv *.diff.gz *.patch, upload it and be happy :P
[02:53] <dholbach> HostingGeek: i kindly ask you to read the conversation again, if you don't like the rules we ALL stick to (even those on #ubuntu-devel), don't consider being motu
[02:53] <HostingGeek> koke_cooking: i have 5KB/s upload
[02:53] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: me 10KB/s
[02:53] <dholbach> HostingGeek: you waste more than 100kb on COMPLAINING
[02:53] <koke_cooking> and have no prob
[02:53] <HostingGeek> dholbach: is a motu someone who upload if yes i don't want that
[02:54] <dholbach> that's how it is
[02:54] <koke_cooking> dholbach: xD
[02:54] <dredg> HostingGeek: if you don't want any of this, then why are you here?
[02:54] <HostingGeek> dholbach: if a motu is some which helps in universe then yes
[02:54] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: then, become a friend of malone :)
[02:54] <HostingGeek> malone?
[02:55] <HostingGeek> dholbach: rename motu to uploader of something its make its a lot easier to understand
[02:56] <Burgundavia> launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/
[02:56] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: I like the look of the menu editor. Did you do it?
[02:56] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:56] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia: nice work
[02:56] <koke_cooking> HostingGeek: ok, but only after you go to debian and ask to turn Debian Developers into Debian Uploaders
[02:56] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: nic work
[02:56] <Amaranth> thanks
[02:56] <Burgundavia> I am a little tired right now
[02:57] <Amaranth> trying to get it into universe for hoary :)
[02:57] <dholbach> HostingGeek: and please listen this time: if you ever complain (about the course of action we take) again, i will ask the community council to have you banned from this channel as well, BECAUSE we are goddamn busy and were as patient with you as we could be, but we set up rules and everybody sticks to them
[02:57] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: i'll unoffically review your package :P
[02:58] <dholbach> it simply doesnt lead anywhere and it steals time
[02:59] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: where is the orig?
[02:59] <dholbach> i don't tell you to "clear off", but if you don't like this then don't consider it
[02:59] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: It's the .tar.gz
[02:59] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: rename it to the corrent terming in the future
[02:59] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Tell cdbs
[02:59] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: no diff?
[03:00] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: It's an original package....
[03:00] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: the orig should not contain /debian in it
[03:00] <HostingGeek> that should all be in .diff
[03:00] <dholbach> HostingGeek: ack?
[03:01] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Tell cdbs
[03:01] <HostingGeek> cdbs?
[03:01] <HostingGeek> ack?
[03:01] <dholbach> i said something to you just 5 minutes ago
[03:01] <dholbach> i wanted to know, if you could acknowledge
[03:02] <HostingGeek> dholbach: no one said i don't follow the rules as at this point of time i am not part of the helpers....
[03:02] <dholbach> but you complain about them
[03:02] <HostingGeek> OHH! https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/ is just what i wanted!!
[03:02] <dholbach> and it drives everyone mad, because those are pointless discussions
[03:03] <HostingGeek> I can file patches using that right?
[03:03] <dredg> Amaranth: ah. upstream has a debian/ dir in there?
[03:03] <HostingGeek> dredg: he is upstream
[03:03] <dredg> right.
[03:03] <HostingGeek> and upstream shouldn't have it
[03:03] <Amaranth> So yes. ;)
[03:03] <dredg> IMO you should still split it out.
[03:03] <Amaranth> How?
[03:03] <HostingGeek> because other distros will kill you
[03:04] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: you want me to fix up your package :)
[03:04] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: no.
[03:04] <dholbach> Amaranth: do a <name>_<version>.orig.tar.gz of it
[03:04] <Amaranth> How? I'm new to all this.
[03:04] <dholbach> then add the debian/ crack to the extracted tarball
[03:04] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: get the orig tarball with out the debian stuff
[03:04] <dholbach> then run   debuild -S -sa
[03:05] <dholbach> (and you'll have a nice .diff.gz to it
[03:05] <dredg> Amaranth: create an orig.tar.gz without the debian.... what dholbach said.
[03:05] <HostingGeek> and do what dholbach said to it
[03:05] <HostingGeek> WooHoo! 3 people confusing Amaranth lol
[03:05] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: wondering about the add new entry stuff. Might it be better to bring up another window, to make it a bit more clear when you need to enter the info?
[03:05] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: you understand what todo still?
[03:06] <Amaranth> whoa, the FreeBSD GNOME Team is sending me bug reports
[03:06] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: is it that you have a /debian dir in the orig?
[03:06] <HostingGeek> (the bug report)
[03:06] <Amaranth> no
[03:07] <HostingGeek> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/ should be make more clear
[03:07] <HostingGeek> it was JUST what i was looking for
[03:07] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: discuss in #launchpad, that is being worked on
[03:07] <dholbach> koke: icewm uploaded
[03:07] <koke> dholbach: thanks :)
[03:07] <dredg> laters
[03:07] <Burgundavia> cya
[03:07] <dholbach> bye dredg
[03:09] <HostingGeek> Burgundavia: as bob2 set the topic it wont be long till i get banned he bans me from every channel i enter even if i don't say a word :(
[03:10] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: that is an issue you are going to have to deal with. I wish you luck doing so
[03:10] <dholbach> schweeb: ethereal was fine?
[03:10] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: it's mostly a thing of listening & reading vs shouting & demanding
[03:10] <Treenaks> s/thing/issue/
[03:10] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: indeed
[03:12] <HostingGeek> ok so i send https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/ .desktop files and stuff like that?
[03:13] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: bugs for universe go there. malone is in testing right now
[03:13] <HostingGeek> Burgundavia: only bugs? :( not patches or stuff like that?
[03:14] <Treenaks> so yes, you can open "wishlist" style bugs, and attach .desktop files, I guess
[03:14] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: it is bug tracker
[03:14] <schweeb> dholbach: yes, it was fine... the only problem with the packages, was there were 2 files going into python2.3/site-packages, so I just changed that to python2.4 (they don't have a setup.py or anything)
[03:14] <koke> see you
[03:14] <koke> :D
[03:14] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: YAY! I am so happy now!
[03:14] <schweeb> which is what ethereal-dev failed on on install, python2.3/site-packages didn't exist
[03:14] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: "bugs" can be wishlist features etc. as well
[03:15] <dholbach> schweeb:  fgrep 2.4 debian/  helps you there
[03:15] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: default settings?
[03:15] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: what do you mean?
[03:15] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: there are some apps that the default setting is not friendly
[03:15] <schweeb> dholbach: yea, it took me a while to figure out that they were manually moving the python files in the rules file...
[03:16] <dholbach> schweeb: i'll have a look
[03:16] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: if it would go in bugzilla, it goes into malone
[03:16] <schweeb> dholbach: but, be back in an hour
[03:16] <schweeb> later
[03:16] <dholbach> schweeb: if it'S ok, i'll upload it
[03:16] <dholbach> wb ogra
[03:16] <HostingGeek> Burgundavia: hmm why use malone when there is a bugzilla?
[03:16] <Burgundavia> salut ogra
[03:17] <HostingGeek> malone == python?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: bugzilla is for main, malone is for universe
[03:17] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: eventually, malone will be for everything
[03:17] <HostingGeek> ah ha
[03:17] <hsprang> hy alltogether :)
[03:18] <HostingGeek> Burgundavia: this is because bugzilla list thingy... which make it take for ever to load?
[03:19] <ogra> hey, everybody
[03:20] <HostingGeek> well i'll start helping on sunday hopefully
[03:20] <Burgundavia> salut ogra
[03:20] <hsprang> hy ogra :)
[03:22] <hsprang> Does someone know id there will be any MOTU's at the CCC Easterhegg event this weekend in Hamburg, Germany?
[03:23] <hsprang> s/id/if
[03:23] <Amaranth> hey, how do i create a key to sign this package? :)
[03:24] <HostingGeek> WTF malone is not open source
[03:25] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek: none of launchpad is
[03:25] <Treenaks> *headdesk*
[03:29] <ogra> hsprang, oh, its this weekend, darn
[03:30] <ogra> hsprang, i was on the one in duesseldorf (my company sponsored the line for them)....sadly i cant this weekend :(
[03:32] <hsprang> ogra: I wouldn't go either if it wouldn't be just around the corner for me :)
[03:32] <ogra> heh, ok, i'm in the eifel, its a serious distance :)
[03:33] <Amaranth> ok, i think i got this
[03:33] <Amaranth> what files should i upload?
[03:34] <Amaranth> bah wtf
[03:34] <Amaranth> it used the ubuntu1.tar.gz
[03:34] <hsprang> but i still feel guilty because the weekend would otherwise be the first time since a week that i could do some ubuntu work :(
[03:34] <Treenaks> Amaranth: the difference between native and non-native packages is essential
[03:35] <Amaranth> whatever that means
[03:35] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:35] <dholbach> hsprang: don't feel guilty
[03:36] <dredg> packages should only be native if they are designed to run on $distro and _nothing_ _else_
[03:36] <Amaranth> ok, i'm just going to upload all of these and let you guys figure out the differences
[03:36] <ogra> hsprang, nah, no need to feel guilty, ubuntu is (and will be ;) ) always here, easterhegg is to special to miss
[03:36] <Amaranth> :P
[03:36] <hsprang> dholbach: i hoped somebody would say this - thank you! :)
[03:37] <dholbach> :-)
[03:37] <ogra> hsprang, and if only for the nice cups and t-shirts ;)
[03:39] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ <--can someone tell me if i don't need some of those?
[03:39] <hsprang> ogra: it's the first time for me, but i already read something about special cups...
[03:43] <hsprang> Amaranth: I am not completely sure, i "think" if you go for maintainer-approval,  only the *.dsc, *.orig.tar.gz and *.diff.gz should be needed
[03:44] <Amaranth> i don't think i have a diff.gz
[03:44] <Amaranth> how do i make that?
[03:46] <hsprang> Amaranth: that is documented very good and detailed in the debian new mainainers guide
[03:47] <hsprang> is your package considered to be a native package?
[03:47] <Amaranth> native?
[03:48] <ogra> hsprang, go there, its worth it :) and spread some ubuntu at the conference ;)
[03:48] <Amaranth> i wrote it for hoary, appearently i wrote it well enough for it to work on freebsd too :)
[03:49] <hsprang> ogra: hmm, good idea, i should burn some live and install cd's and bring a FAI install server :)
[03:49] <ogra> yeah
[03:49] <dholbach> schweeb: ethereal uploaded
[03:50] <hsprang> Amaranth: hmm, if it can and will be used on other distributions, too, and you will provide a source package in generic *.tar.gz form, it will not be a native package
[03:51] <Amaranth> ok
[03:51] <hsprang> ogra: I'm not up to date with the state, would you suggest preview or array7 cd's?
[03:54] <hsprang> Amaranth: and if it's not native, the source files necessary fo maintainers to review are the one's mentioned above
[03:59] <hsprang> Amaranth: otherwise, you'd only need a *.tar.gz and a *.dsc file - because there are no patches to be applied for the program to have everything needed to build the *.deb
[04:01] <hsprang> Amaranth: if I think about my last words, if you are the upstream author yourself, and you will create a *.tar.gz source distribution file where no patches need to be applied to build the deb, but others cann easily buidl their freebsd binary, too, it might be native, too
[04:01] <hsprang> sorry for the typos
[04:02] <ogra> hsprang, sorry, i another meeting, array7 is newer
[04:02] <herve> hi
[04:03] <ogra> hi herve
[04:03] <hsprang> ogra: i knew about that, just thought newer isn't always better :)
[04:03] <ogra> might have new bugs but even new fixes ;)
[04:14] <herve> kinda like hoary ;-)
[04:15] <dholbach> hey herve
[04:15] <Amaranth> so if this doesn't generate a *.diff.gz then there are no changes? :)
[04:15] <Amaranth> there shouldn't be
[04:15] <dholbach> herve: one of your packages didnt work out
[04:15] <dholbach> herve: dont remember which one
[04:15] <dholbach> herve: poker3d
[04:15] <herve> dholbach, either poker3d or m2crypto
[04:15] <herve> ha
[04:17] <Amaranth> ok, http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ should be ready to go
[04:17] <dholbach> Amaranth: put it on MOTUNewPackages
[04:17] <Amaranth> using dh_make and cdbs goodness this time
[04:17] <schweeb> dholbach: awesome
[04:17] <dholbach> (if you didnt already)
[04:17] <Amaranth> dholbach: it is
[04:17] <herve> dholbach, refused or failed to compile?
[04:17] <dholbach> alright
[04:17] <dholbach> herve: the latter
[04:17] <herve> I can't find it in the buildlogs
[04:18] <dholbach> herve: it didnt build here
[04:18] <dholbach> herve: didnt even debuild -S
[04:18] <schweeb> dholbach: what happens with kismet, is it just gonna get sent through the buildd again after that gets successfully built?
[04:18] <schweeb> kismet died on the build-dep
[04:19] <dholbach> schweeb: ask lamont please
[04:19] <schweeb> ok
[04:19] <herve> dholbach, it's in my /var/cache/pbuilder/result, I wonder what could have happened
[04:19] <dholbach> herve: i'll paste you the log in some minutes
[04:20] <lamont> schweeb: define 'died'
[04:20] <schweeb> lamont: well, ethereal-dev was broke, it's a build-dep for kismet
[04:21] <lamont> define 'broke'
[04:21] <schweeb> just a sec, I'll show you the build log
[04:21] <lamont> failed during install?  apt refused to install it?
[04:21] <schweeb> yea, it failed during install
[04:21] <schweeb> so the build-deps weren't satisfied
[04:22] <lamont> and buildLogs/Lists/... has it as 'Building' still, or 'Dep-Wait'?
[04:23] <schweeb> lemme check
[04:31] <lamont> schweeb: hoary lists should be in buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.$arch
[04:31] <lamont> hoary-test lists are at buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary.all.$arch
[04:32] <trulux> hallo
[04:33] <schweeb> lamont: whoops, I accidentally pasted in #ubuntu-devel
[04:33] <schweeb> lamont: and here's the build log
[04:33] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/k/kismet/2004.04.R1-5/kismet_2004.04.R1-5_20050323-1031-i386-failed
[04:33] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary-test.all.i386
[04:34] <schweeb> failed - no reason given... but it clearly was the build-dep if you look at the build log
[04:34] <ogra> schweeb, Setting up ethereal-dev (0.10.4-3ubuntu1) ...
[04:34] <ogra> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ethereal-dev.postinst: line 7: /usr/bin/python2.3: No such file or directory
[04:34] <schweeb> yea, that
[04:35] <schweeb> I fixed ethereal-dev, what's the right thing to do about kismet?
[04:35] <ogra> schweeb, is it already in the archive ? (eth...-dev)
[04:36] <schweeb> uploaded about an hour ago
[04:36] <schweeb> maybe less
[04:36] <schweeb> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/004059.html
[04:38] <schweeb> so, probably not in the archive yet, but will be (it gets submitted to buildd first, right?)
[04:39] <ogra> schweeb, yop, then it gets build and _then_ it gets moved to the archive, so it might just not be there yet
[04:40] <schweeb> right right
[04:40] <schweeb> what I was asking was just what's the right way to make sure kismet is attempted to build again after it's in the archive ;)
[04:41] <lamont> schweeb: I've been kicking all the build failures (that show up as email to me) into Failed...
[04:41] <lamont> with no reason.
[04:41] <schweeb> ah
[04:41] <lamont> so.  What we have is a package that has a build log, and is marked Failed (but would be Building if it were hoary)
[04:41] <lamont> for that, you'll need to pester lamont to give it back
[04:41] <lamont> oh wait.  that's me.
[04:41] <lamont> :-)
[04:41] <schweeb> lol
[04:41] <lamont> schweeb: which architecture?
[04:42] <schweeb> I think it failed on all 3, lemme check
[04:44] <schweeb> it failed on i386, ia64 for that reason
[04:44] <schweeb> amd64 for a diff reason :-/
[04:44] <herve> haa... amd64 build failures... :-)
[04:45] <schweeb> on amd64 because snacc is not installable
[04:46] <schweeb> I don't have and amd64 to do anything with... and the ppc version was "given-back" cause there were umpteen dep problems
[04:46] <schweeb> s/and/an/
[04:47] <schweeb> lamont: so it should be good on i386 and ia64... other than that, I'm useless ;)
[04:49] <lamont> schweeb: yeah -that particular ppc buildd is my current annoyance... then I'll kick kismet around some
[05:03] <schweeb> lamont: so, should i consider it marked off, or just make a note next to kismet saying the ethereal-dev dep should be fixed?
[05:04] <lamont> schweeb: uh, dunno - I'll kick it back to the buildd and let you look at it again, I guess.
[05:05] <schweeb> alright
[05:05] <schweeb> build log will be in the same place?
[05:05] <lamont> oh - this is hoary-test?
[05:05] <schweeb> yea
[05:05] <lamont> build-dep issues there should be failures
[05:05] <lamont> so: start with a current hoary system
[05:05] <lamont> apt-get source kismet
[05:05] <lamont> dpkg-buildpackage -B -rfakeroot
[05:05] <lamont> see if it fails or passes
[05:06] <schweeb> ok
[05:06] <lamont> I'll accept some transience, but anything other than success in hoary-test is probably bad.
[05:14] <schweeb> lamont: builds fine on i386
[05:14] <lamont> ok - will kick it
[05:15] <schweeb> installs cleanly too :p
[05:16] <schweeb> man, I need pain killers... this lady in our ATM department is loud as hell and giving me a killer headache
[05:35] <koke> hi again!
[05:36] <herve> hi!
[05:37] <lamont> schweeb: sorry - finally given back
[05:38] <schweeb> hmm?
[05:38] <schweeb> kismet didn't build?
[05:42] <dholbach> see you later
[05:45] <lamont> schweeb: at :37, I tossed it back into the hoary-test ring.
[05:45] <lamont> it'll get to the front of the queue _sometime_
[05:46] <lamont> and then it'll try to build again
[05:46] <schweeb> alright
[05:50] <koke> wow, I see blender in the priority list, do you know what is the problem??
[05:50] <koke> dholbach: do you have the raw lists anywhere??
[05:50] <koke> I *really* need to connect them :)
[05:52] <herve> koke, dholbach is away for a moment
[05:53] <koke> herve: ok, I leave the question in the air :)
[05:53] <schweeb> what do you need? the build log to see what's wrong?
[05:55] <schweeb> hrm, the build log in test says "successful" for blender
[05:55] <schweeb> for all of the 4 arches
[05:56] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/b/blender/2.36-1ubuntu1/
[05:57] <koke> schweeb: the problem is
[05:57] <koke> it's on the priority list, but I don't now if it's a python transition, a doesn't build,...
[05:58] <schweeb> looks like someone may have fixed it... it may mistakenly be on the list
[05:59] <schweeb> or maybe it doesn't install
[05:59] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/blender/2.36-1ubuntu1/
[05:59] <schweeb> it failed a few times there
[06:00] <koke> I have a dirty solution :)
[06:00] <koke> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList
[06:00] <koke> I've added a search link next to each package
[06:00] <koke> it looks for package+Universe
[06:01] <koke> blender - uses scons to build, causes problems when using ccache (used by buildd). Suggested workaround does not appear to work.
[06:01] <schweeb> nice :)
[06:03] <schweeb> now it'd be even cooler if lamont's stuff was indexed for faster navigation
[06:04] <lamont> schweeb: patches welcome. :)  it's about 20 minutes of python programming so far, because "it's temporary"
[06:04] <schweeb> lol
[06:05] <schweeb> python ain't my thang
[06:08] <koke> schweeb: what do you mean by "faster navigation"??
[06:08] <koke> well, I know the concept :P
[06:08] <koke> but what do you want to have exactly?
[06:08] <herve> schweeb, need python help?
[06:09] <schweeb> no
[06:10] <schweeb> koke: rather than having to click Test/k/kismet/kismet-blahblah, it'd be cool to just search for kismet and come up with all of the kismet build logs ;)
[06:10] <koke> extracted XFCE packages from the list :)
[06:12] <schweeb> herve: don't plan on learnin python anytime soon, don't need another language to get jumbled in my head :p
[06:12] <ogra> koke, hi
[06:12] <herve> schweeb, that's why I volunteered to help :-)
[06:14] <schweeb> guess I should do some work for my real job for a while, hehe
[06:14] <herve> see ya!
[06:15] <koke> ogra: hi!
[06:15] <ogra> koke, see the other win ?
[06:20] <koke> hey, I've added numbers to priority list, so you can group the pacakges :)
[06:21] <schweeb> nice
[06:22] <koke> hehe, just upgraded a computer from warty to hoary, and the new artwork is cool
[06:22] <ogra> yeah
[06:23] <koke> the funny thing is update-notifier tolds me about three updates: my icewm packages :D
[06:23] <ogra> YEAH
[06:23] <koke> the bad thing is 800x600 is a *big pain*
[06:24] <koke> the video card has 11 years
[06:24] <ogra> hmm, talk to daniels
[06:24] <koke> ogra: it's not a software problem :)
[06:24] <ogra> oh
[06:24] <ogra> ok
[06:25] <koke> the software problem are some windows bigger than screen
[06:25] <koke> it's going to be a computer "for dummies"
[06:25] <ogra> ouch....
[06:26] <koke> its only mission is to serve as ERP
[06:26] <koke> for a small enterprise
[06:37] <koke> anyway, it's a pentium II 350, with 64MB and gnome 2.10 runs quite smooth
[06:37] <ogra> woah, with 64MB ?
[06:38] <ogra> how did you manage to install ? didnt think that was possible
[06:39] <koke> ogra: `free` actually says 60
[06:39] <ogra> woah
[06:39] <ogra> unbelivable...
[06:39] <koke> I installed XFCE, but realised gnome was running quite well
[06:40] <koke> (for not intensive use) :P
[06:40] <ogra> yeah, but that it is usable at all is very impressing
[06:41] <schweeb> I'm guessing it sits there swapping all day
[06:42] <schweeb> similar to a windows on the same configuration ;)
[06:42] <schweeb> s/a//
[06:42] <koke> Mem:            60         59          1
[06:42] <koke> I guess so :)
[06:42] <koke> I put 250M of swap
[06:42] <schweeb> running w2k on 64mb of ram is evil.
[06:42] <koke> running w2k is evil by itself :P
[06:42] <schweeb> think the kernel itself consumes 64 (maybe 128)
[06:43] <Treenaks> schweeb: s/on 64mb of ram//
[06:43] <schweeb> necessary evil at work :0/
[06:43] <schweeb> er :-/
[06:43] <koke> schweeb: work is evil too :P
[06:43] <schweeb> true...
[06:43] <schweeb> my boss is definitely evil
[06:43] <Treenaks> most bosses are
[06:43] <schweeb> swear I can see devil horns on him
[06:44] <schweeb> rich bastard
[06:44] <dholbach> re
[06:44] <dholbach> koke: what do you need?
[06:44] <koke> IIRC, there are plans to run synaptic as user, and separate the root part?
[06:45] <koke> dholbach: I can't remember
[06:45] <koke> I guess the search hack will be enough by now
[06:45] <koke> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList
[06:45] <Treenaks> dholbach: we need to sign keys some time... you're one of the few people who aren't "close enough" according to my trustdb
[06:46] <dholbach> Treenaks: mvo and i signed
[06:46] <Treenaks> dholbach: yeah, but I forgot to sign mvo in Matar
[06:46] <dholbach> ah i see
[06:46] <ogra> dholbach, Treenaks left before the keysigning party :/
[06:47] <Treenaks> ogra: no, my plane did :P
[06:47] <ogra> heh
[06:47] <Treenaks> dholbach: so, where in Germany are you? N, E, S or W? :)
[06:47] <ogra> Treenaks, around the corner
[06:47] <dholbach> W
[06:48] <Treenaks> dholbach: ah, the "close to the Netherlands" part :P
[06:48] <dholbach> dortmund
[06:48] <dholbach> to be exact
[06:48] <Treenaks> *looks at map*
[06:48] <ogra> the "nearest to the netherlands part
[06:48] <ogra> "
[06:49] <Treenaks> ogra: :P
[06:50] <Treenaks> oh yeah it's really close
[06:50] <dholbach> how many kilometers?
[06:50] <dholbach> ah herve is gone again
[06:51] <ogra> dholbach, amsterdam....
[06:51] <Treenaks> dholbach: 235km
[06:51] <Treenaks> 2 hours by car
[06:52] <dholbach> oh cool, amsterdam
[06:52] <schweeb> heh
[06:52] <dholbach> coooooooooool
[06:52] <Treenaks> dholbach: not quite Amsterdam :) but almost
[06:52] <dholbach> then we should meet there :-)
[06:52] <Treenaks> dholbach: ok, cool :)
[06:52] <dholbach> i'll grab mvo as well :-)
[06:52] <Treenaks> :)
[06:52] <schweeb> wish I remembered more German too
[06:53] <schweeb> been 6 yrs since I learned it in hs
[06:53] <Treenaks> dholbach: ok, but when? :)
[06:54] <dholbach> Treenaks: after UDU
[06:54] <Treenaks> dholbach: of course
[06:55] <dholbach> rock
[06:55] <Treenaks> yay for beer + keysigning :)
[06:55] <dholbach> woohoo
[07:04] <schweeb> man, wiki's been slow as hell lately
[07:11] <schweeb> so, if anybody's got some time, and wants to review my gsf-sharp package, feel free to... it's beneficial to beagle being in universe (beagle can index ms docs and stuff w/ it)... pretty sure jdub intends to upload beagle eventually
[07:12] <schweeb> I know of 1 prob in it, which I can fix before upload (it's set to 'unstable' branch, rather than 'hoary' in changelog)
[07:14] <tritium> Good afternoon.
[07:14] <schweeb> afternoon
[07:15] <schweeb> I take it you're in the US? it has to be evening in europe by now ;)
[07:15] <tritium> Yep
[07:15] <tritium> :)
[07:15] <schweeb> MI here
[07:16] <tritium> IN here, neighbor
[07:16] <schweeb> nice
[07:16] <tritium> Yeah!
[07:17] <schweeb> guess the eastern half of the US is the place to be... can't think of any ubuntu related people in the west that I know of
[07:18] <tritium> schweeb, not yet, but I'll be moving back to NM in August
[07:18] <schweeb> ahh, nice and warm there
[07:18] <tritium> yes, mostly :)
[07:27] <Treenaks> (anyone interested in a DVB-T receiver + antenna, supported in Linux)
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[07:31] <schweeb> just curious, what's the normal amount of time it usually takes some thing to make it from upload -> archive.u.c
[07:36] <dholbach> schweeb: wiki/Uploads answers that
[07:36] <schweeb> thx
[07:37] <tritium> How's it going dholbach ?
[07:37] <dholbach> tritium: hey... nice - how are you?
[07:38] <dholbach> ogra: could i have a drumroll?
[07:39] <tritium> I'm fine, thanks :)
[07:39] <dholbach> may I introduce you all to....
[07:39] <ogra> yayaya
[07:39] <dholbach> our NEW MOTU
[07:39] <dholbach> welcome aboard: koke!"
[07:39] <dholbach> :-)
[07:40] <ogra> hey koke
[07:40] <koke> I'm here :)
[07:40] <koke> thanks all :D
[07:40] <dholbach> koke: how does it feel there? :-)
[07:40] <schweeb> congrats
[07:40] <koke> well, as all you know I'm fighting with an old computer now
[07:40] <koke> so it's a mixture of feelings
[07:41] <schweeb> lol
[07:41] <koke> :P
[07:41] <ogra> hehe
[07:41] <herve> re
[07:41] <schweeb> I'm fighting with Windows right now, if it makes you feel better
[07:41] <dholbach> wb herve
[07:41] <ogra> hey herve
[07:41] <tritium> Congratulations koke :)
[07:41] <ogra> herve, you missed the fun
[07:41] <dholbach> herve: poker3d uploaded
[07:41] <herve> dholbach, rock!
[07:42] <dholbach> yeah :-)
[07:42] <herve> ogra, I shopped for baking cookies meanwhile :-)
[07:42] <ogra> ah, yeah, thats indeed a good excuse
[07:42] <dholbach> :-)
[07:42] <koke> uff, I really love clearlooks, but "Simple" is quite simpler, so lighter :)
[07:43] <herve> what happened, anyway?
[07:43] <ogra> yeah, as the name says :-P
[07:43] <dholbach> our new MOTU was announced
[07:43] <dholbach> we all had fun "on stage" :-)
[07:43] <dholbach> off
[07:43] <dholbach> koke made it in :-)
[07:43] <herve> haggai, sh*t
[07:43] <herve> argh...
[07:44] <herve> (how the hell I typed his nick so many times...)
[07:45] <dholbach> i started writing this months motu report, so if you could all *try* to remember, what you did and drop me a line in either IRC or dh@mailempfang.de i'd be really grateful
[07:46] <herve> I remember I complained a lot :-)
[07:46] <schweeb> hah
[07:47] <dholbach> or rather tell, what the last month in the MOTU crowd was like
[07:47] <dholbach> just a brief statement, thanks :-)
[07:47] <herve> laughs and tears :-)
[07:48] <herve> anyway, I'll seriously think about it
[07:48] <dholbach> this was the last one: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005006.html
[07:48] <dholbach> but i'd like to have it livelier
[07:50] <dholbach> s/have/make
[07:50] <dholbach> i'll start some review action, after i was in the showers
[07:51] <dholbach> brb
[08:02] <schweeb> odd
[08:02] <schweeb> ethereal failed on ppc looks like...  but it built successfully before
[08:06] <dholbach> herve: could you please tell elmo to whitelist your mail adress?
[08:08] <koke> I'll have to go soon
[08:09] <ogra> enjoy your new motuness :)
[08:09] <herve> dholbach, how so?
[08:10] <dholbach> herve: just tell him: state your name and mailadress, so you could work with the motu gang
[08:10] <herve> koke, how does it feel to be a motu, by the way?
[08:10] <koke> herve: well, my right foot is sleepy
[08:10] <koke> :P
[08:11] <herve> dholbach, it's not related to membership at all?
[08:11] <dholbach> no
[08:11] <dholbach> just tell him, no mail, nothing
[08:11] <herve> will do, but the oven is calling me :-)
[08:12] <ogra> koke, you sent the signed CoC to mako already, right ?
[08:13] <koke> ogra: yes, I think he confirmed it, but not sure
[08:13] <ogra> ok, elmo just asked in -devel
[08:14] <ogra> please confirm to him that you did
[08:17] <dholbach> siretart: ping
[08:24] <dholbach> siretart: fdclock uploaded
[08:24] <dholbach> siretart: i did 3ddesktop yesterday as well :-)
[08:24] <siretart> short re (I'm in an internet cafe).
[08:24] <dholbach> alright
[08:24] <siretart> dholbach: w000t! great news! :)
[08:24] <dholbach> just wanted to tell you
[08:25] <Burgundavia> dholbach: <mako> well my brother is in the city for the next 3 hours only.. so it will be later this evneing :)
[08:25] <siretart> thanks! :)
[08:25] <Burgundavia> from ubuntu-doc
[08:25] <dholbach> siretart: thank YOU!
[08:26] <siretart> I'll hope I can fix some more packages this weekend.. I have to see how well my studiing for exam next thursday's going..
[08:26] <dholbach> don't put too much pressure on you
[08:27] <siretart> I'll see. I see it as good recreation from thinking in Operating Systems :)
[08:27] <dholbach> yeah, absolutely :-)
[08:28] <dholbach> siretart: it's nice of you putting work into ubuntu :-)
[08:28] <siretart> ok, gotta back to table, others are waiting :)
[08:28] <dholbach> *wave*
[08:28] <dholbach> have fun
[08:28] <siretart> dholbach: I have to thank YOU (the Motu team) doing such a great job in maintaining universe!
[08:28] <dholbach> i speak for myself: it's a pleasure... it really is
[08:29] <ogra> siretart, actually you already took part :)
[08:30] <dholbach> schweeb: now that you say it: i can only review the packaging itself, because i'm on amd64
[08:31] <schweeb> heh
[08:31] <dholbach> but i will do
[08:31] <schweeb> coolness
[08:31] <dholbach> Burgundavia's packages are first
[08:31] <dholbach> because they're hosted like 10m from me :)
[08:32] <dholbach> Burgundavia: you there?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:40] <schweeb> hrmph
[08:40] <schweeb> muine's dying on something with gettext/libintl
[08:41] <herve> dholbach, done
[08:42] <dholbach> herve: gooood
[08:43] <dholbach> siretart: did you ask elmo to whitelist your mail adress?
[08:45] <herve> dholbach, though I don't get the point of being whitelisted without a valid GPG key
[08:46] <dholbach> it's just a list of mail adresses
[08:46] <dholbach> nothing more
[08:49] <herve> dholbach, could you please upload sip-qt3, now sip4-qt3 is updated?
[08:51] <dholbach> herve: sure... schweeb's mono package is first :-)
[08:52] <schweeb> dholbach: I did mention that I forgot to change the branch -> hoary?
[08:52] <dholbach> you want to change it and i upload herve's stuff first?
[08:53] <schweeb> I can just update the source, right? you don't care about a binary
[08:53] <dholbach> yeah
[08:54] <schweeb> does it matter if it's first upload would be revision 3? should I kick it back to 1?
[08:54] <dholbach> yeah 1 is nicer
[08:57] <dholbach> herve: building
[09:00] <dholbach> herve: you generated NEW packages with your transition?
[09:00] <dholbach> sip4-qt3 that is
[09:03] <schweeb> dholbach: alright, uploaded src
[09:04] <herve> dholbach, NEW source package?
[09:04] <dholbach> no
[09:04] <dholbach> binary onew
[09:04] <dholbach> one
[09:04] <herve> dholbach, I added another conflicts to sip4-qt3
[09:04] <herve> ha yes, a new binary one then
[09:04] <dholbach> hmm
[09:05] <dholbach> has to go over elmo's desk first
[09:05] <herve> we agreed to still generate it for python2.3
[09:05] <dholbach> yes
[09:05] <dholbach> i update my box, maybe it's ok then
[09:06] <herve> who want fresh... erm, hot cookies?
[09:06] <herve> encolpe, thanks again ;-)
[09:06] <dholbach> hmmmmmmmm, herve's baking again
[09:08] <schweeb> wtf
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I am glad I live on the other side of the world then
[09:09] <schweeb> muine worked on my system like last week just fine
[09:13] <Burgundavia> schweeb: restart x
[09:13] <Burgundavia> schweeb: muine was broken for me until I did that
[09:13] <schweeb> urgh
[09:13] <schweeb> I figured it out
[09:13] <schweeb> restarting X might help it
[09:13] <schweeb> but I had to dllmap libintl -> libc.so.6
[09:14] <Burgundavia> anyboyd else having a locales issue?
[09:18] <schweeb> odd, I've never had to map libintl before...
[09:18] <schweeb> even did it after a restart of X
[09:18] <schweeb> I'll have to prod tseng and see what he thinks of it later
[09:23] <herve> Burgundavia, how so?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> when it tries to generate locales, it fails
[09:24] <Burgundavia> about half way through
[09:29] <herve> last libc6 upload seemed problematic
[09:30] <herve> Burgundavia, I could generate a new locale
[09:30] <ogra> herve, nope, the last should actually have fixed it
[09:30] <encolpe> If you continue to bake, you will be married soon
[09:31] <herve> encolpe, you bet :-)
[09:31] <encolpe> ;)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> herve: no when the locales was updated, the setting up of new locales fails
[09:34] <Burgundavia> herve: just a sec and I will get the exact error
[09:40] <Burgundavia>  sr_YU.UTF-8@cyrillic...LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab2' value does not match `country_num' value
[09:40] <Burgundavia> LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab3' value does not match `country_num' value
[09:53] <herve> re
[09:53] <herve> Burgundavia, can't help further, sorry
[09:59] <herve> I don't get how the buildd works
[09:59] <herve> some packages get built before although they were uploaded after
[10:00] <herve> and they're all urgency=low
[10:01] <dholbach> hrm?
[10:05] <rimbert> ugh
[10:05] <herve> hey tritium!
[10:05] <rimbert> hey herve :)
[10:06] <dholbach> *arg*
[10:06] <dholbach> :-(
[10:06] <rimbert> :(
[10:07] <tritium> if anybody has updated anything gdm-related, don't logout ;)
[10:08] <dholbach> that's really strange
[10:08] <ajmitch> good morning
[10:08] <tritium> Yeah
[10:08] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:09] <dholbach> tritium: anyhing in the logs?
[10:09] <herve> tritium, what version of gdm?
[10:09] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/e/ethereal/0.10.4-3ubuntu2/ethereal_0.10.4-3ubuntu2_20050324-1622-powerpc-failed
[10:09] <tritium> let me check...
[10:09] <schweeb> this kinda worries me
[10:09] <schweeb> it didn't fail before... and I didn't change anything other than the python stuff...
[10:11] <tritium> yeah, in syslog, gdmgreeter: No default session link found.  Using failsafe gnome.
[10:11] <dholbach> if you try with a new user?
[10:12] <tritium> it doesn't take any keyboard input at all
[10:12] <herve> schweeb, this build ends in a strange manner
[10:12] <schweeb> indeed
[10:12] <herve> tritium, maybe you can type but can't see it
[10:13] <tritium> unfortunately not
[10:13] <herve> which version of gdm theN
[10:13] <herve> n?
[10:13] <tritium> heh, I also had to reboot into 2.6.10-4 since nvidia stopped working today also with latest kernel update
[10:13] <tritium> not my best day ;)
[10:14] <tritium> let me check gdm version
[10:15] <tritium> 2.6.0.7-0ubuntu3
[10:15] <herve> here too
[10:15] <tritium> it's somehow related to themes, though.  I don't think gdm was updated today
[10:15] <herve> and I could log two hours and a half ago
[10:15] <herve> ha maybe
[10:16] <tritium> I'll be back...
[10:16] <herve> hi master :-)
[10:17] <dholbach> schweeb: maybe you add  python2.4-dev  to the build-depends
[10:17] <herve> schweeb, the way the build fails makes me think of a hardware problem
[10:17] <schweeb> dholbach: it doesn't actually compile any python afaict, and builds fine on the other arches
[10:18] <tritium> thank goodness for startx
[10:18] <schweeb> herve: yea, no real error... it's like it was ctrl+c'ed
[10:18] <koke> hi all!
[10:18] <dholbach> hey koke
[10:21] <tritium>  not exactly jdubtv, but tritium can be seen here: http://www.mgmt.purdue.edu/info/cameracenter/public.asp?camera=drawingroom
[10:21] <lamont> schweeb: was that ross?
[10:22] <lamont> schweeb: in the top few lines - the buildd is named
[10:22] <dholbach> royal
[10:22] <lamont> scratch that thought
[10:22] <herve> tritium, can you wave the hand? ;-)
[10:23] <dholbach> haha coooooolk
[10:23] <tritium> :)
[10:23] <herve> tritium, seen you ;-)
[10:23] <tritium> hi :-)
[10:23] <dholbach> is that where you work?
[10:23] <dholbach> :-)
[10:23] <tritium> No
[10:23] <herve> tritium, there's a cute girl on your right!!
[10:23] <tritium> I had to go to the library, so I'm in the business school main floor
[10:24] <tritium> herve, sure enough, but I'm married ;)
[10:24] <herve> whoops!
[10:24] <dholbach> ha... we'll be watching you now :-)
[10:24] <tritium> heh
[10:24] <dholbach> but where's the drawing?
[10:24] <tritium> for some reason they call this the drawing room.  No idea why
[10:25] <dholbach> that guy picked his nose... i saw it
[10:25] <herve> UserLinux joining Ubuntu? it seems good
[10:25] <schweeb> lamont: yea, in the logs it just randomly dies in the middle of a gcc... really odd
[10:25] <tritium> ajmitch, it's nothing special ;)
[10:25] <ajmitch> tritium: where are you in there? :)
[10:25] <dholbach> ajmitch: on the computer
[10:26] <tritium> ajmitch - I just waed
[10:26] <tritium> waved
[10:26] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> I saw you
[10:26] <koke> wohooo, a happy day :)
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[10:26] <dholbach> YEAH
[10:26] <koke> my first gnome commit
[10:26] <tritium> awesome
[10:26] <koke> more first things to come this night
[10:26] <koke> now, I need a shower
[10:27] <ajmitch> schweeb: it does look rather odd
[10:27] <tritium> a lot
[10:27] <tritium> me wife is here!!!
[10:27] <ajmitch> almost like dpkg-buildpackage was the one killed
[10:27] <dholbach> hi anne! *wave*
[10:28] <lamont> schweeb: SIGILL?
[10:28] <dholbach> tritium: kiss her... for the camera :-)
[10:28] <herve> dholbach, he may be shy :-)
[10:29] <dholbach> herve: he isnt :-)
[10:29] <tritium> did you catch it?
[10:29] <herve> bye anne
[10:29] <dholbach> :-)
[10:30] <schweeb> lamont: you want me to paste you just the relevant portions?
[10:30] <tritium> it might have been too fast
[10:30] <schweeb> lamont: in PM?
[10:30] <tritium> dholbach, herve:  I'll tell Anne you guys said hi :)
[10:30] <dholbach> tritium: good :-)
[10:31] <tritium> herve, good thing I wasn't talking to that girl you spotted, eh?
[10:32] <ajmitch> otherwise we'd have lost a valuable member of the team ;)
[10:32] <tritium> heh
[10:32] <herve> tritium, you can, I'll warn you when she gets back -;)
[10:32] <tritium> okay, thanks ;)
[10:33] <herve> na, kidding... now get back to work, Big Motus are watching you ;-)
[10:33] <tritium> will do!
[10:37] <schweeb> bah
[10:38] <schweeb> forgot to update my samba pdc scripts when I upgraded my ldap :-/
[10:38] <dholbach> what's the problem about   http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/liba/libapache-request-perl/1.1-0.1/   ?
[10:39] <lamont> schweeb: ethereal/ppc would be someone terminating the buildd with extreme prejudice
[10:41] <schweeb> lamont: what's the simplest way to resolve this... I don't have PPC, and I didn't change more than 2-3 simple things relating to python when I fixed the package
[10:41] <herve> good night all!
[10:41] <tritium> Good night herve :)
[10:41] <dholbach> good night herve
[10:42] <schweeb> I changed the "python" build dep to "python2.4" and added teh PYTHON_VERSION variable in the rules file... that's it
[10:42] <ogra> night herve
[10:42] <schweeb> (and changed the created directory/moved python files to have PYTHON_VERSION in them)
[10:43] <tritium> Sweet, my office-mate got a faculty position!
[10:44] <dholbach> congrats to him! :-)
[10:44] <tritium> :)
[10:45] <lamont> schweeb: I gave it back - someone killed it
[10:45] <lamont> either me, or elmo rebooting the box... was a messy morning
[10:45] <schweeb> that makes me feel better
[10:45] <lamont> whcih is to say, probably me
[10:47] <lamont> dholbach: any hoary-test ppc build failure from before 20050324-1857 is uninteresting
[10:47] <lamont> well, unless > 24 hours or so old
[10:47] <dholbach> it was amd64 and ppc
[10:47] <dholbach> both the same error
[10:49] <lamont> yeah -not entirely sure what's up with apache perl there
[10:49] <lamont> but they'll both be retried
[10:50] <lamont> (1857 or so is when I gaveback everything marked as 'failed'
[10:50] <dholbach> ok
[10:51] <crimsun> hmm.
[10:51] <dholbach> hi crimsun
[10:51] <crimsun> hi dholbach
[10:52] <crimsun> lamont: any clues http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/d/diacanvas2/0.13.0-4ubuntu1/diacanvas2_0.13.0-4ubuntu1_20050321-1234-powerpc-failed ?  diacanvas2 built on 15 March on ppc...
[10:55] <lamont> crimsun: that one is an indicator of the cluster that caused the giveback at 1857 today
[10:55] <crimsun> lamont: ah, ok.
[10:56] <crimsun> whew.
[10:56] <schweeb> lamont: another odd thing is that i386 said build completed successfully hours ago, and it hasn't been sent to archives, but ia64 and amd64 were... related to the other stuff?
[10:56] <lamont> schweeb: different cluster, same result
[10:57] <schweeb> alright
[11:01] <tritium> I'm shutting down guys.  See you later on!
[11:03] <dholbach> argl
[11:03] <dholbach> we have some really cracked up cases on the list
[11:03] <crimsun> dholbach: indeed
[11:04] <dholbach> where you have hop along a list of 5 packages to find some dumb package build-depending on libtool1.4 which doesn exist on $random_arch
[11:05] <crimsun> yep!
[11:05] <crimsun> I was trying to figure out why vlc never built on ppc
[11:05] <crimsun> so I started checking its b-d
[11:05] <crimsun> sure enough, there was wxwidgets2.5 FTBFS
[11:06] <crimsun> but totally nonexistent... that's a complete headache
[11:07] <dholbach> yes
[11:07] <dholbach> i like those especially:    maintainer-script-lacks-debhelper-token debian/libgtop-dev.preinst
[11:08] <crimsun> oh, make the b-d libgtop2-dev
[11:08] <crimsun> I just did that for gkrellm earlier
[11:08] <dholbach> oh you fixed gkrellm already?
[11:08] <crimsun> yes
[11:09] <dholbach> must have missed it
[11:09] <dholbach> ok
[11:09] <dholbach> then... :-)
[11:09] <crimsun> oh, sorry, I only updated UniversePriorityList
[11:09] <dholbach> np
[11:09] <dholbach> didnt invest much time yet :-)
[11:14] <schweeb> lamont: you'll probably also wanna kick kismet again after you resend ethereal
[11:19] <tseng> schweeb: huh?
[11:19] <tseng> schweeb: i dont package either of those
[11:19] <dholbach> python-gnome is nice:
[11:19] <dholbach> checking if Python version >= 1.5.2... configure: error: too old
[11:19] <dholbach> configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for pygtk
[11:20] <dholbach> i'll investigate
[11:21] <schweeb> tseng: which, muine?
[11:21] <tseng> schweeb: muine and mono
[11:21] <schweeb> I was just gonna ask your advice
[11:21] <tseng> go for it
[11:21] <schweeb> I thought you did mono?
[11:21] <tseng> er, not exactly?
[11:21] <schweeb> ah
[11:21] <schweeb> ok
[11:21] <tseng> we use the debian packages where possible
[11:21] <schweeb> well
[11:21] <schweeb> on install of muine
[11:22] <schweeb> I get:
[11:22] <schweeb> Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Muine.Global ---> System.DllNotFoundException: libintl
[11:22] <tseng> uh
[11:22] <tseng> intltool?
[11:22] <schweeb> and I have to dllmap manually
[11:22] <tseng> uh
[11:22] <schweeb> to libc.so.6
[11:22] <tseng> wha?
[11:22] <schweeb> I googled
[11:22] <tseng> thats crack
[11:22] <schweeb> yes
[11:23] <schweeb> and I already have intltool installed
[11:23] <tseng> there is alot of stuff mapped ootb
[11:23] <schweeb> where is it mapped at, there's no /etc/mono/config
[11:24] <tseng> well there should be
[11:24] <tseng> unless its from my 1.1.4 build
[11:24] <schweeb> hrm
[11:24] <schweeb> chris@omglaptop:~$ dpkg -S /etc/mono/config
[11:24] <schweeb> mono-common: /etc/mono/config
[11:24] <tseng> yep was just doing that
[11:24] <schweeb> but it didn't get installed
[11:24] <schweeb> lemme purge and retry...
[11:24] <tseng> you have mono-common, right?
[11:25] <schweeb> yes
[11:25] <tseng> wee
[11:25] <tseng> crack.
[11:25] <schweeb> ii  mono-common    1.0.5-1        common files for the Mono CLI runtimes
[11:25] <schweeb> ohh
[11:25] <schweeb> nm
[11:26] <tseng> eh?
[11:26] <schweeb> I was gonna say I thought the latest rev was 1.0.5-2, but guess not
[11:26] <tseng> there is mono*-2 in sid
[11:26] <tseng> but it just disabled building on s390
[11:26] <tseng> we dont even have s390 buildd's afaik
[11:26] <dholbach> we luckily dont
[11:26] <tseng> that arch smokes serious crack
[11:27] <tseng> and costs 3 arms and 5 legs
[11:28] <schweeb> w... t... f....
[11:28] <ogra> s/in/as ?
[11:28] <schweeb> it worked just fine now
[11:28] <schweeb> that's crazy.
[11:28] <schweeb> I've purged like 4 times
[11:28] <tseng> it was my magic touch.
[11:29] <schweeb> oh, but it for some reason redownloaded mono-common 1.0.5-1
[11:29] <schweeb> ??
[11:29] <schweeb> guess as long as it works now
[11:29] <schweeb> heh
[11:32] <tseng> schweeb: no... -2 is in unstable
[11:32] <tseng> we dont have it
[11:32] <schweeb> yea, I dunno where I saw -2 at
[11:33] <schweeb> I don't have any debian sources in
[11:34] <schweeb> maybe mono-common wasn't fully downloaded on my box, and somehow dpkg didn't notice
[11:35] <tseng> uh
[11:35] <tseng> im pretty sure it checks md5, and gpg in our case
[11:35] <schweeb> weird.
[11:35] <schweeb> as long as it works now, I guess
[11:40] <ogra> tseng, why the heck do you still answer b.f.i ?
[11:41] <ogra> he obviously doesnt get it...
[11:41] <tseng> ogra: we go way back...
[11:41] <ogra> ah, k
[11:41] <tseng> he is a hardened gentoo user
[11:41] <tseng> been trolling me out of my mind for years
[11:41] <ogra> i know
[11:42] <tseng> so, I do what i can to keep him under control in #u-d, I guess
[11:42] <tseng> in hardened we abuse him senseless
[11:42] <tseng> (no CoC)
[11:42] <ogra> yep
[11:56] <tseng> so, whats new ogra
[11:56] <ogra> nothing special...
[11:57] <ogra> koke is MOTU
[11:57] <tseng> hm
[11:57] <tseng> cool.
[11:57] <koke> somebody said koke?? :P
[11:57] <dholbach> :-)
[11:57] <ogra> i'm fixing hwdb bugs, dholbach cant stop uploading like a berzerk...
[11:57] <ogra> so i would say snafu