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handsome_bhas anybody in here installed hoary, and configured a pppoe connection?  I'm about to try and would like to know if it's simple or a nightmare12:00
DemonTearsanyne konw how to get linux logs on desktop background pls12:00
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handsome_bDemonTears: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org12:00
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DemonTearshandsome_b: thx12:02
handsome_banyone?  opinions on setting up pppoe?12:03
handsome_bDemonTears: np12:03
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thoreauputicDemonTears: or use root-tail12:03
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DemonTearsthoreauputic: dunno how to use it12:04
DemonTearsthoreauputic: do u know the sample command12:05
thoreauputicDemonTears: haven't used it for a while, but it's similar to tail12:05
thoreauputiclike tail -f to have updating logs12:06
thoreauputichave you tried root-tail -f /path/to/logfile ?12:07
thoreauputicalso in gnome, it probably won't show, as the desktop isn't the root window12:07
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DemonTearsthoreauputic: i'll test it12:09
_phate_does anyone have the Hoary Preview? If would you send me your sources.list, I screwed up mine so I need the default12:09
Nermal_phate_: http://nermal.org/misc/sources.list12:10
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Nermallast 3 lines I added12:11
jboyensis there any way to get Flash fonts to work correctly WITHOUT install msttcorefonts? I'd like to be able to use fontconfig to substitute a font for the MS font Flash wants.12:11
_phate_Nermal, thx!12:12
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aldarsiorwhat's the keyboard shortcut for switching desktops in gnome?12:13
Nermalset them up under keyboard shortcuts12:13
geppyaldarsior: CTRL-ALT-arroy12:13
geppy*arrow12:13
aldarsiorthanks :-)12:14
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black_Nightmareany of you know if any standard atapi drives would work fine in ubuntu?12:15
black_Nightmaredumb question but wanted check still12:15
Nermalsure12:15
Nermalits more the ide controller12:15
Nermalbut they are usually fine12:15
black_Nightmareah ok ty12:15
aldarsiorblack_Nightmare: do you mean for burning?12:16
black_Nightmarewell..do you know about backward compactibility?  this is udma/33 on the motherboard I think12:16
black_Nightmarelike could I use an ATA100 hd here?12:16
black_Nightmarealdar..nah just the drive itself12:16
aldarsiorblack_Nightmare: then you're asking if ATA has backwards compatibility. and the answer is Yes.12:17
black_Nightmarewell it was two questions anyhow....ty still :p12:17
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michael_hi all.. i'm trying to get my sound to work.. but it simply won't.. any help would be appreciated.. when i run the hoary live cd i get sound, and when i run the installed version of hoary i don't get sound12:19
geppymichael_: Do you have the sound system muted?12:19
geppymichael_: if you12:19
michael_geppy: negative12:19
geppymichael_: if you 'apt-get install aumix', you can check to make sure that it's not12:20
geppymichael_:  Sure?  The mixers like to mute themselves.12:20
mjrwell, the gnome mixer that's installed by default should do too...12:20
michael_well i get Errors when i run anything that plays audio12:20
mjrthat's a driver problem, probably, then12:21
geppymjr:  GNOME-mixer allows things to get "locked" such that you can't modify them. =/12:21
geppymichael_: What kind of errors?12:21
michael_geppy: for example when i try running Volume Meter i get the error "cannot connect to sound daemon. please run 'esd' at a command prompt12:21
mjror your user isn't in audio group12:21
geppymjr:  He has an SBLive, I don't see why.12:21
mjrdepends on the errors, really12:21
geppymichael_: Try running esd12:21
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mjrgeppy, righto, I have one too and it works fine :)12:21
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michael_esd returns "/dev/dsp: no such device"12:21
geppymjr:  As do I. =)12:22
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geppymichael_:  ls /dev | grep snd12:22
michael_snd12:22
michael_sndstats12:22
michael_sndstat i mean12:22
michael_snd and sndstat12:22
geppymichael_: Then, there is a /dev/snd12:22
geppymichael_: You probably aren't in the audio group, like mjr mentioned.12:22
mjrcould the OSS emulation layer be missing for some reason...12:22
geppymjr: ESD uses OSS =P12:22
michael_so how do i fix this then12:23
geppymichael_:  Well, open up the users and groups GUI, and make sure you're in the audio group. =)12:23
mjrgeppy, yes, and if trying to use /dev/dsp yields "no such device", well...12:23
thoreauputicDemonTears: I just tested that command in fluxbox, and it worked fine - gnome is using an overly of the root window, so nothing shows12:23
geppymjr: Then it can't read it due to permissions, I think. =)12:23
thoreauputic*overlay12:23
aldarsiorhmmm...12:23
geppymichael_: users-admin12:24
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madelhi there12:24
mjrmichael_, you can also do a quick check by running "id" in a prompt, but for fixing, use the admin tool mentioned12:24
aldarsiorI just installed Mysql and some associated things, and towards the end of the download it told me to insert the install cd and would not proceed without it...12:24
madelwhy don't I find the /dev/lp files?12:24
aldarsiorIs there a way to disable that?12:24
michael_hmm12:24
michael_groups=4(adm)12:24
michael_is listed from the id command12:25
michael_oh12:25
michael_oops12:25
michael_yeah it lists 29(audio) as a group12:25
geppyaldarsior: Did you install via apt?12:25
michael_in that list, when i do the ID command12:25
aldarsiorgeppy: yep12:25
geppyaldarsior: Odd, what were the other apps?12:25
DemonTearsthoreauputic: so no chance with the gnome12:25
mjrmichael_, well, that's not a problem then; what's ls -l /dev/dsp say?12:25
geppymichael_:  You need to be in "29(audio)"12:25
geppyoh12:26
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aldarsiorphpmyadmin (depended on apache) mysql server mysql client and various dependancies12:26
michael_crw-rw----  1 root audio 1412:26
aldarsiorso all of php, all of apache, mysql client, mysql server, and everything that those depend on12:26
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mjrmichael_, this is getting weird12:26
thoreauputicDemonTears: there's probably a way of redirecting output to the gnome desktop - if you can identify the window it uses - I don't know12:26
michael_crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-03-23 18:15 /dev/dsp12:27
mjrmichael_, does cat /dev/sndstat show your card?12:27
Zugotanyone here have a laptop that displays at 1280x800?12:27
michael_yes12:27
Zugoti need to find some modelines i believe12:27
mjrmichael_, well, I'm running out of things that could be wrong then12:27
michael_three audio devices12:27
mjrthree?12:27
jeanjeanZugot: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:27
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mjrlist them please12:28
michael_USB Audio Bt87x Digital and EMU10K1 (duplex)12:28
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Zugotjeanjean, it isn't that easy... i need find the ModeLine to stick in xorg.conf first12:28
Zugotjeanjean, and you also assumed i was running xorg...12:28
Zugoti could be running xfree8612:28
mjrmichael_, it may be that /dev/dsp tries and fails to use one of the other sound devices12:28
michael_so are you suggesting i should find a way to disable the other sound devices12:29
jeanjeanZugot: close X and try "X -config"12:29
thoreauputicheh - sound juicer with mp3 enabled rips at 250 kb/sec by default and can't be adjusted... stupid :(12:29
geppythoreauputic: That's why I use GRIP. =)12:30
mjrmichael_, that shouldn't be necessary, but I don't know how to change the order, which would be a less destructive way to go about it12:30
michael_mjr: keep in mind that my audio works when i run the LiveCD, but fails when i use my installed version of ubuntu... maybe there are some ways you could tell me to compare the settings in both to determine what the problem is?12:30
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andrewskithoreauputic: yeah, that simple interface only works to a point. :/12:30
thoreauputicgeppy: yeah, me too - I just thought I'd try it with the gstreame lame plugin to see what happened12:30
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geppythoreauputic: Ah, yeah.12:30
geppyUnfortunately, GRIP sucks on Ubuntu.12:30
geppyHas anyone else had serious issues with it?12:31
Nikopolyep12:31
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Nikopolthe id3 sucks12:31
geppyI have to perform certain rituals to get it to perform.12:31
Nikopolgeppy: if you use musicplayer with it, it won't put the tracks in the correct order12:31
thoreauputicgeppy: works OK here - I just pointed it at /dev/hdc from memory12:31
geppyNot just that, it tends to hang (and refuse to die, or have another instance opened) if you don't hold it just right.12:31
DemonTearsconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check12:31
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DemonTearsje dois installer quel package pour remedier ca12:32
NikopolDemonTears: g++ j e pense12:32
geneo93musicmatch at one time had nice linux offering12:32
geppythoreauputic:  If it doesn't have focus when I start the rip, it crashes.  (i.e. I move mouse focus to the dialog, which shows up half way across the bloody screen)12:32
michael_mjr: keep in mind that my audio works when i run the LiveCD, but fails when i use my installed version of ubuntu... maybe there are some ways you could tell me to compare the settings in both to determine what the problem is?12:32
NikopolDemonTears: essaie voir12:32
ellsi just installed a new hardrive along with the old,how can i see where it is and where to mount it12:32
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thoreauputicDemonTears: sudo apt-get install build-essential12:32
geppythoreauputic: And it crashes if I change the ID3 info and don't save and reopen12:33
ellsanyone know how12:33
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DemonTearsconfigure: error: Can't find Python.h! You will need the python development package12:33
geppythoreauputic: As well as various other things;  if I insert a CD when it's open, it crashes (and I have to reboot to kill it)12:33
DemonTearsj'ai ca12:34
ellsany takers12:34
DemonTearsthoreauputic: j'insatlle tous le python ?12:34
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thoreauputicgeppy: hmmm.... dunno - I mainly use ogg anyway so .... I tried ripperx which also works ( less configurable, of course)12:35
madelanyone could help me seting up a local paralel printer with ubuntu?12:35
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Zugotis this the official ubuntu support irc place?12:35
Zugotor are there more?12:35
thoreauputicDemonTears: j'sais pas ce que tu veux faire12:35
RupertSwmadel, are you using CUPS?12:35
thoreauputicDemonTears: english here for preference, mon ami ;)12:35
geppythoreauputic:  Yeah, I've recently switched to FLAC, so I guess SoundJuicer would work for me, now, minus certain things like Vorbis comment configuration.12:35
DemonTearsthoreauputic: je compile le gdesklet12:35
madelRupertSw, i think so, the default with ubuntu...12:36
mjrmichael_, yah, sorry, can't help, except to point at trying to change the order of the sound devices as I said (or, in panic, disabling them via /etc/hotplug/blacklist)12:36
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ellstritium: what is up mike12:36
ellstritium: I just put the new drive in12:36
RupertSwmadel, Probably the easiest is to point browser @ localhost:60112:36
tritiumHi ells12:36
thoreauputicDemonTears: pourqoi? C'est dans les repositories12:36
michael_mjr: okay thank you12:36
michael_mjr: i will try that12:36
DemonTearsthoreauputic ca marche poa12:37
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ellstritium: do you think you could help me get this thing mounted and formatted properly12:37
Desolatehello12:37
DemonTearsthoreauputic: j'ai ca12:37
DemonTearsthoreauputic: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead12:37
DemonTears  self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)12:37
tritiumells, perhaps a little later this evening12:37
RupertSwmadel, Any luck?12:37
madelRupertSw, do you mean  localhost:601?12:37
ellstritium: cool will catch you after school tonight12:37
Desolategot a bit of an issue, was wondering if anyone could assist me? I just installed ubuntu, everything went fine, but then when I start it, it looks absolutely awful (http://demonfire.breathingwater.com/ubuntu_crappy.jpg)12:37
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thoreauputicDemonTears: sorry, no idea then12:38
tritiumells, you have class this evening?12:38
RupertSwmadel, Yep. A cups demon should be running there, I think. Is it?12:38
ellstritium: until about 11 Mike12:38
ellstritium: it is cool12:38
madellocalhost:63112:38
DemonTearsthoreauputic: ok thx12:38
madelRupertSw, Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.12:38
tritiumells, if I'm awake when you get back ;)12:39
ellstritium: I am sure you will be,  ha ha12:39
RupertSwmadel, Hmm. You could try gnome-cups-manager or whatever it's called, which is there then!12:39
tritiumells, probably :)12:39
madelRupertSw, and when I try to use that printer manager, It only alows me to configure a USB printer12:39
ellstritium: Mike, I could always reinstall, ,ha ha (inside joke)12:40
tritiumheh12:40
garruthi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?12:40
ellstritium: it is all goo Mike12:40
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RupertSwmadel, If I run it as root, and click add printer, I can choose "Parallel Port" near the bottom of the dlg.12:40
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tritiumRupertSw, is your user in the "lpadmin" group?12:41
madelRupertSw, are you using ubuntu?12:41
DesolateI installed linux on Virtual PC, everything went/looked fine, but when I start it, it looks like this: http://demonfire.breathingwater.com/ubuntu_crappy.jpg12:42
RupertSwmadel, Yes12:42
RupertSwmadel, It wouldn't su automatically for me though for some reason, so I had to run it actually as root with su from the terminal12:42
RupertSwmadel, gnome-cups-manager, btw12:42
atjhas anyone set up nfs or samba w/ ubuntu?12:42
tritiumRupertSw, root account is disabled by default, as is documented.12:42
madelatj, to see another windows box, or to be seen?12:42
RupertSwtritium, sorry: sudo gnome-cups-manager, then.12:43
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tritiumRupertSw, is your user in the lpadmin group, though?12:43
RupertSwtritium, I got irritated and re-enabled it.12:43
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atjmadel: to be seen by a mac (or anything really)12:43
RupertSwtritium, Why should it have to be? I'm running it with _sudo_ - so as root.12:43
RupertSwtritium, Just checked: no I'm not12:44
tritiumRupertSw, you say when you run it as root, you _can_ add it right, but not as normal user?12:44
madelRupertSw, nope...  a only see USB printers...12:44
RupertSwtritium, I have _no_ problem! Adding a printer I would need to be admin, but as it's my flipping computer, I just sudoed to get the privileges rather than farting around with the groups for what is a one-off op.12:45
RupertSwmadel, Hmm.. we're using the same program, presumably. Same version? What are you running exactly?12:46
ellstritium: thru qtparted I think I got it, what should I make its mount point be12:46
tritiumells, that's entirely up to you12:46
RupertSwmadel, I think I'm on 0.3012:46
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ellstritium: it is showing up as hdb?12:46
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ellstritium: should I make it primary or extended12:47
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tritiumells, I thought it was usb drive?12:47
madelRupertSw, I' m using a just installed hoary, nothing changed...12:47
ellstritium: naw, hard drive (ide)12:47
geppySomething's wrong with the Ubuntu hardware database.12:47
geppyI can't connect to the server.12:47
geppyAnd I can't e-mail "hostmaster@grawert.net"12:47
tritiumells, the whole thing is for linux?  you can make one big primary partition12:48
RupertSwmadel, Sorry. could you run 'gnome-cups-manager --version' please? It would help if I knew we were looking at the same screen... :-)12:48
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atjanyone using ubuntu as a file server12:48
ellscool, yeah, the whold 120 gig is for linux, all for linux12:48
mylesbraithwaiteyes12:48
ellsshould i make it primary then12:48
madelGnome gnome-printer-view 0.3012:48
tritiumsure12:48
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madelRupertSw, I don't even have a /dev/lp file12:48
ellstritium: and of course format12:48
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tritiumells, yep12:49
atjmyles, nfs, samba or other?12:49
RupertSwmadel, Hmm.. I do. Gimme a sec.12:49
ellsokay, when i went to make active, it says something like virtual drive12:49
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SeeleyUSMCAnyone have an idea of what language I should start off in to learn programming?12:50
ZotnixAnyone know what module to load to load inotify. Seems modprobe inotify doesn't work.12:50
RupertSwmadel, I've got one, but if I get rid of it I still see the same in the CUPS manager - is that the parallel port dev anyway?12:50
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geneo93SeeleyUSMC:  python12:51
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RupertSwmadel, Can I check: when you run the manager, do you get a screen with a 'New Printer' icon, looking lots like a windows control panel?12:51
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madelRupertSw, yes....12:52
RupertSwmadel, And when you click on New Printer, you get a sort of wizard dlg, right?12:52
madelyes...12:52
RupertSwmadel, With 4 radio buttons?12:53
thoreauputicSeeleyUSMC: I would start with writing bash scripts,ten look at python12:53
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madelRupertSw, yes....   local printer, network printer,  user a detected printer, user another printer by specifyung a port12:53
RupertSwmadel, So you say 'specify a port' and get the drop-down combo box12:53
madelRupertSw, yes.. and I only see USB  printer #1, #2...  #1612:54
thoreauputicSeeleyUSMC: if you want to have some simple GUI things happening with bash scripts, install Xdialog or use zenity12:54
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RupertSwmadel, Hmmm... You could try 'mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0' as root, which will give you that device. I notice I haven't got lp1 and only 'see' 1 parallel port, so maybe that is what's needed?12:55
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thoreauputicSeeleyUSMC: the documentation for Xdialog is excellent :  /usr/share/doc/xdialog/html12:56
irbdavidquestion; if i d/l ubuntu, will kubuntu essentially come with it? or will the aptget not come off the CD?12:56
RupertSwmadel, And then you'd need to restart CUPS at the least: 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart'12:56
apokryphosirbdavid: nope, it won't.12:56
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apokryphosirbdavid: apt-get will come with it.12:57
codymanhmm... http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=106 whats up12:57
mjrcodyman, slashdot jumping the gun is up12:57
thoreauputicirbdavid: kubuntu is a seoarate CD, but sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install it12:57
thoreauputicnot from the CD though12:57
mjrcodyman, Perens isn't buying it, apparently12:57
RupertSwmadel, And if that doesn't work, I'm really sorry, because I reckon that's about the limit of my knowledge...12:57
irbdavidcool beans12:57
RupertSw:)12:57
irbdavidother than that the difference between the two is just the desktop and the apps that come with it?12:58
madelRupertSw, what does " mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0"   mean?12:58
apokryphosirbdavid: Pretty much, yes. It's all Ubuntu.12:58
RupertSwmadel, It'll create your device for you12:58
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geneo93there is a seperate kubunt iso at http://kambing.vlsm.org/bebas/ISO/12:59
irbdavidkay, thanks guys12:59
RupertSwmadel, And for normal use, you need to also do 'chgrp lp /dev/lp0', which is probably needed for CUPS to use it.12:59
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madelRupertSw, lp or lpadmin  ?01:00
andrilhas anyone installed MPlayer?01:01
andrilor have a link?01:01
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RupertSwmadel, Mine says lp, presumably so that anyone can print, it's just changing the spooler/drivers etc. which needs special priveleges?01:01
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thoreauputicandril: I installed it - but I recommend xine-ui01:01
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thoreauputicandril: and look at ubuntuguide.org for a howto on installing win codecs etc01:02
iananyone successfully switch from ACPI to APM?01:02
madelRupertSw,    crw-r--r--  1 root lp 6, 0 2005-03-24 05:56 /dev/lp0   <-- this is the way it looks yours?01:02
andrilnot Media Player - just MPlayer for linux01:03
D3vIm haveing trouble installing ubuntu. when it gos to install base system it gets up to the kernel and says  initrd-tools error then it aborts? how can i fix this?01:03
andrildo you have a link for Xine-UI01:03
RupertSwmadel, Yes.01:03
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RupertSwandril, You could try the repository at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/01:03
akurashydo gnome have a cd burner program?01:03
madelRupertSw, nop I still see only  USB printers01:03
thoreauputicandril: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:03
greebohi all01:03
apokryphosakurashy: gnomebaker01:03
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thoreauputicandril: you need to set up your synaptic repositories01:04
RupertSwmadel, Sorry - I really have no idea. Anyone else??01:04
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ianakurashy: also Nautilus can burn CDs directly.  right click an ISO to burn it or do Ctrl-L in Nautilus and type in burn://01:05
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greebodoes anyone know how to get IR working on Ubuntu Warty? Do I need to upgrade to Hoary for this?01:05
greeboTongMaster, heya01:05
ianakurashy: drag/drop files there then File/Write to disc01:05
akurashyian: can i drag and drop into the cd?01:05
akurashykk01:05
thoreauputicandril: xine-ui is in the universe repository - you need to look at those other links as well01:05
ianit's pretty slick, but I'm not sure how people are supposed to find it :)01:06
TongMasterheya greebo \01:06
RupertSwmadel, Oh: try 'lsmod' I've got a 'parport' module installed. Do you?01:06
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RupertSwmadel, And an lp one as well.01:06
SoRcEtTahow can I umount my cd , while a script inside it is running ?01:07
madelRupertSw, a parport_pc and a parport01:07
geneo93RupertSw:  maybe he need to turn off pnp in bios01:07
madelRupertSw, and a lp too01:07
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RupertSwgeneo93, Mine's on, so far as I know.01:07
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RupertSwmadel, What happens if you 'cat /dev/lp0' ?01:08
geneo93mines off01:08
jnoonwhen i do apt-get dist-upgrade it wants to remove ubuntu-base.  im assuming thats a very bad sign correct?01:08
madelRupertSw, cat some_txt_file > /dev/lp0??  or cat /dev/lp0?01:08
geneo93jnoon:  it will get replaced01:09
RupertSwmadel, If there's a driver connected, you should get probably a 'Input/output error' message01:09
RupertSwmadel, The latter01:09
RupertSwmadel, Although either would probably work.01:09
greebojnoon, from memory, ubuntu-base is a "nothing" package that simply depends on a lot of stuff, making installing a working base easy for the initial installation. I don't think removing that package itself is a problem but I could be wrong01:09
jnoongeneo93, there is no ubuntu-base that it says is going to be installed though?01:10
jnoonoh... ok01:10
jnoongeneo93 *  greebo01:10
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jnoonsorry01:10
madelRupertSw, cat: /dev/lp0: No such device or address01:10
jnoonerr, confused :)01:10
RupertSwmadel, That means that there's nothing listening to it.01:10
geneo93jnoon:  just do it01:10
RupertSwmadel, In the dark again, I'm afraid...01:10
greeboanyone know about IR in ubuntu?01:11
geneo93i'll be fine01:11
madelRupertSw, hmm...01:11
jnoongeneo93, how sure are you? :)01:11
geneo93done it many times here01:11
jnoonlol...  alllllright...01:12
geneo93jnoon:  ubuntu-desktop replaces a lot of stuff01:13
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robtaylorhmm, w32codecs have gone from multiverse, right?01:13
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tritiumrobtaylor, not in multiverse.  They're in marillat's repo01:14
jnoongeneo93, will be back to tell you how this went... hopefully ;)01:14
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robtaylortritium: ok, thought they used to be in multi, i must have been imagining it =)01:14
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ice_1963=)01:15
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larsrohdinjoin /fluxbox01:16
larsrohdinsorry... how do i do that?01:16
^thehatsrule^O.o fluxbox channel?01:16
^thehatsrule^/join #fluxbox01:16
^thehatsrule^?01:16
robtaylorlarsrohdin: /join #fluxbox01:16
larsrohdinthank yo=)01:16
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D3vIm trying to install kubuntu and it says this when i get to base system install.. Unable to install initrd-tools ?? how can i fix this????01:16
RupertSwmadel, Been looking through parport.txt in /usr/src/linux.01:16
RupertSwmadel, It suggests looking at  /proc/sys/dev/parport/.01:17
RupertSw?01:17
andrilis there a MP3 to OGG converter avail?01:17
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CarlK_D3v - just got that error too01:17
mjrandril, there are scripts to do that (google mp32ogg), but that reduces sound quality01:17
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thoreauputicandril: i think audacity can do that01:18
D3vCarlK_  =((01:18
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thoreauputicandril: with the right mp3 support01:18
CarlK_D3v - pretty sure this is the problem: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=812301:18
CarlK_reported and fixed today01:18
thoreauputicandril: I suggest you also install mpg12301:18
thoreauputicand sox01:18
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ice_1963right now gnome is better =)01:18
ice_1963then kde lol01:19
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thoreauputicice_1963: matter of taste, old boy ;)01:20
crymsanwell, I finally got ubuntu booted, turns out the cdrom drive woulnd't boot it, but it would boot debian, changed the drive and off I go01:20
black_Nightmareback01:21
black_Nightmarewas afk for a while01:21
andrilThanks guys - I keep getting errors upon "sudo dpkg" - so i guess I need Win around after all01:21
D3vCarlK_  so you think its my disks?01:21
madelRupertSw, I have there a folder called default01:22
madeland 2 files in it.... spintime and timeslice01:22
ice_1963synaptic is better kynaptic01:22
CarlK_D3v - I didn't have that problem yesterday, but my .iso may have been a few days old01:22
andrilThanks again01:22
thoreauputicandril:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto01:22
RupertSwmadel, Yeah. I've also got a parport0 folder with loads of stuff about my actual existing parallel port.01:22
ice_1963gnome is more stable01:23
CarlK_D3v - does your Alt-F3 console show the same thing I posted to bugzilla just now?01:23
thoreauputicandril: don't use dpkg directly, use the GUI and make life easier on yourself01:23
madelRupertSw, I don't have any partport001:23
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black_Nightmareany of you got any comments on this case? :p http://www.pccyber.ca/scrItem.asp?product_subtypes_id=20&product_types_id=5&product_id=421001:23
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ianhas anyone seen talk of an "Ubuntu Update Manager" but for installs instead of updates?  in other words, a super easy to use program for installing new software, with screenshots etc.01:24
D3vCarlK_ hold up let me check01:25
RupertSwmadel, Presumably not, because something isn't looking for it. I'm sorry - I've never had any problems here before. You appear to have the correct device nodes (as far as I know) and the right modules. As I'm not _that_ knowledgeable about the parallel port on linux, which is currently not seen by your machine, I think I have to give up. Good luck!01:25
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geneo93ian:  how much easyer can synaotic01:26
andrilthoreauputic: all I have to do is add another repository with Uni/Multi verse01:26
black_Nightmaresay....do any of you know if ubuntu has or can emulate an terminal session just like under windows 2K01:26
geneo93synaptic be01:26
iangeneo93: a lot01:26
caffinatedian: i fail to see how.01:27
mjrblack_Nightmare, umm, gnome-terminal?01:27
caffinatedsyntaptic is so easy it makes easy look hard ;)01:27
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thoreauputicandril: yes, add those - but for win32 codecs you need others - all on the wiki page and ubuntuguide.org01:27
ianwould you guys sit your mom down in front of synaptic?01:27
geneo93ian:  synaptic is very simple01:27
caffinatedian: in a second, without hesitation.01:27
black_Nightmaremjr...hmm ok here's a tuff question > are these rj45>DB9 adapters actually only for ethernet-consoled network stuffs or not quite so?01:28
andrilwil this harm the system during updates?01:28
greebocan anyone at least point me to some documentation about getting IR working in ubuntu? I've tried looking through the ubuntu forums, and can't get it working01:28
geneo93why not its so simple01:28
thoreauputicandril: I had better luck with xine-ui than mplayer - your mileage may vary , as they say :)01:28
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iangeneo93: saying the same thing over and over doesn't help :)01:28
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D3vCarlK_ No mines way different, says gpg: No valid user IDS  Gpg: this may be caused by missing self -signatrue ?  htf do i fix that01:29
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ben0nehi all01:29
caffinatedian: what part do you find hard?  and what do you think will fix it?01:29
willhi01:29
MarkrianAre there going to be many changes between Ubuntu Preview and the Final release?01:29
ben0neis there a tomcat "port" to ubuntu ?01:29
ben0ne...hoary01:29
mjrblack_Nightmare, so you probably mean a serial terminal; for that, minicom, and those adapters are probably just converters for uncommon physical serial ports01:29
geneo93ian:  if you cant use synaptic u should n't use computer01:29
andrilinstalling xine-ui now01:29
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black_Nightmaremjr...hm ty I was wondering anyhow01:30
caffinatedian: sorry, that was a little badly phrased.  i should say, what do you think *other* users would find hard about it.01:30
andrilbut what's ggod for audio (mp3) or must i convert01:30
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iangeneo93: you're always rude, I'm done talking to you01:30
CarlK_D3v - do you have a web server box handy?01:30
mjrandril, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:30
D3vCarlK_ yes01:31
D3vits a windows box01:31
CarlK_yer in luk01:31
thoreauputicandril: if you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed , mp3 will play in the music player01:31
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andrilwell xine-ui played them01:31
thoreauputicandril: yes xine will play them too01:31
thoreauputicandril: in fact xine will play just about anything with the right codecs01:32
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ice_1963xine is better then mplayer =)01:32
mjryah, but I'd really rather play my music with Rhythmbox :)01:32
caffinatedian: not that i'm saying you're wrong or anything;  i'm just curious to hear your argument.01:32
iancaffinated: right.  it's not for *me* as a software developer, but for people who have never used computers before (much of the world) and for basic non-techie folks who only know "put in CD, click Yes".  a few things that scream to me as being too complicated (for them) in synaptic: "Reload" (should happen once in a while or be hidden away.  "Reload WHAT?").  "Mark All Upgrades" of course would be left to the upgrade manager.  no need for "A01:33
thoreauputicandril: there are other mp3 players - beep-media-player for instance or xmms01:33
ianhehe sorry for the length01:33
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black_Nightmareian :p01:33
caffinatedheh01:33
ice_1963ok01:33
geneo93thoreauputic:  what about .mkv  have you tried that01:33
andrilwell that's all I need01:33
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andrilthoreauputic: thanks so much01:33
thoreauputicgeneo93: no I haven't any .mkv files01:34
iancaffinated: also, it wouldn't show all the packages, just the *applications*.  most users don't want to do package management01:34
caffinatedian: so, you want something that further limits choices to make it a no-brainer kind of installation01:34
thoreauputicandril: no worries01:34
CarlK_D3v - hmm, well.. I had some notes on the wiki, but now I cant find them01:34
iancaffinated: exactly.  the technology is there (.debs are fantastic!), I just want to say "here are 100 great applications, here's what they look like, click Install to try it"01:34
caffinatedian: i can agree with hiding the developer stuff.01:34
CarlK_D3v - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ - search for something about a damaged CD01:35
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caffinatedian: it might be worth even having a default 'user' mode for synaptic.01:35
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thoreauputician: what you describe is like lindows click-n-run - I guess a ui like that would be a nice addition'01:35
caffinatedian: see, i don't know if replacing synaptic is a good idea.  but having a simplified mode might be.01:35
ianthoreauputic: yeah. only not Lindows. :)01:36
ice_1963for get synaptic us apt-get01:36
EricNeonmorning all~01:36
thoreauputician: exactly :)01:36
CarlK_D3v http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD01:36
caffinatedian: kinda like, nero burning rom on windows.  it starts out in a 'novice' mode, but can easily be swicthed over to a 'power user' mode.01:36
iancaffinated: oh no-- keep synaptic around.  in fact with .deb there's no reason to not have many different front ends01:36
caffinatedian: might be an interesting suggestion for the synaptic maintainer01:37
[bn] ennoiaYou could have bunches of things too01:37
thoreauputician: there *could* be a "simple" package manager, with an "advanced" button to pop up synaptic01:37
[bn] ennoialike a "wireless" package, that installs all the things needed for a good wireless experience :o01:37
iancaffinated: but the default should be the easy one.  so yeah, either synaptic could have two modes or ... yeah what thoreauputic just said01:37
[bn] ennoiaA user might know they have wireless, but not know which peices of software they need to make it all work01:37
pvhian: You might be interested in http://klik.atekon.de/01:37
mjrhmm, so you mean like add/remove applications with the advanced button running synaptic? ;)01:37
ianmjr: you mean from windows?01:38
mjrI mean from Hoary01:38
mjroh, sorry, add/remove programs01:38
ianwhat is "add/remove programs"?01:38
ianis that the gnome-app-install thing?01:38
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mjryah01:38
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ianthen yes, but not just for the basic gnome software01:38
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ianfor all good end-user software01:39
mjrrighto01:39
black_Nightmaredoes ubuntu support raid? (especially from Promise)01:39
ianmjr: do you have a URL for that btw?01:39
mjr(hm, there _is_ emacs in the list, but not much other non-gnome programs ;)01:39
AgentQanyone know how i can get my resolution higher than 1024x768?01:39
mjrnah01:39
ianpvh: yeah I saw that recently-- it's along the right track, but I'd hate to get users into the habit of clicking in web browsers to install software.  so dangerous :)01:40
thoreauputicmjr: I feel it would be less confusing to new users if the install mechanism was explained on first startup of the installed system01:40
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pvhgnome-app-install is nifty, but it definitely needs some work.01:40
[bn] ennoiayou could ask a bunch of questions too, friendly questions, and determine what default software to install  based on their answeres01:40
ianthoreauputic: how about an Install New Software link on the desktop?01:40
ianthoreauputic: or similarly obvious place01:41
pvhlike, maybe it would be good if you could find out ANYTHING about the application you're installing01:41
D3vCarlK_ is i386 for p4?01:41
_bSynaptic's great.01:41
adamjohnsonanyone know where to find my machine's ip addy on my homoe network?01:41
thoreauputician: yes, good idea - on the panel with a tooltip perhaps01:41
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CarlK_D3v - i3 will work, i6 would be 'better'01:42
geneo93D3v:  yes01:42
D3vCarlK_ lol  well i got amd u think thats my problem?01:42
ehertleinadamjohnson: try ifconfig in a terminal01:42
geneo93D3v:  k701:43
CarlK_D3v - du no - I would think it would puke on cd boot if it wasn't going to work01:43
adamjohnsonehertlein: just type ifconfig in a term window and it'll output ip addy info or is there more to it, sorry i'm new at this...01:43
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ianpvh: is there a webpage for it?  are you running it?01:43
geneo93dv3 its just a kernel thing the rest is compiled for your machine01:44
D3vgeneo93 i guess its a 2600??01:44
PacoBCNMy pc loves DVDs, love them so much it doesn't want to eject them and I'm forced to execute the eject command.01:44
ehertleinadamjohnson: correct it will tell you your inet addr01:44
PacoBCN:S01:44
thoreauputicadamjohnson: that command will show the network interfaces and IPs01:44
CarlK_D3v Intel x86 install CD     For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors... http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/01:44
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adamjohnsonthanks01:44
ehertleindoes anyone here use pastebin often? im not seeing howto "update" a post01:45
D3vCarlK_ ok01:45
FackamatoPacoBCN: you can't eject a drive that's mounted *gee*01:45
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PacoBCNFackamato, it used to work properly01:45
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thoreauputicehertlein: which pastebin are you using? The pastebin.com interface is pretty intuitive01:46
ice_1963lol01:46
ice_1963=)01:46
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ehertleinthoreauputic: using pastebin.ca, ill take a look at pastebin.com01:46
geneo93thoreauputic:  you can use #flood also01:47
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thoreauputicgeneo93: errm... yes I know, but thanks anyway :)01:48
ehertleinthoreauputic: yeah the pastbin.com UI seems to do what i want, i think its just a bug in the pastbin.ca code that causes every change to be a new post01:49
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black_Nightmarejust wondering but any of you know if usb is the only way to adapt rj45 into a computer externally?01:49
black_Nightmareor are there other type of connectors for ethernet? :p01:49
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CarlK_black_Nightmare - let me know cuz I have a P2=300 laptop that has a broken pcmcia slot and no USB01:50
ehertleinthoreauputic: nope pastebin.com does the exact same thing... i cant modify a current post, it makes new ones01:50
codymandoes anyone know if there is a flash player build for x6401:50
black_Nightmarecarlk - ty :)01:50
iancaffinated: I could go on about synaptic... a 6-page preferences dialog (better if no prefs needed).  filters? (remove). remove file menu.   remove Edit menu (maybe have a search box on the main window like firefox).   remove package menu.  in fact, I can't find any useful menu items for novices except Help, but they wouldn't need that in an easier app :)01:51
mjrThere are some old parallel port ethernet adapters; slow, but may be functional. I don't know about support or availability nowadays. See eg. http://www.home.unix-ag.org/nils/accton_linux.html01:52
caffinatedian: agreed.  i'm just thinking it might be better as one integrated application to avoid confusion.01:52
CarlK_oh yeah!  I have a xircom!01:52
thoreauputician: one problem is that descriptions of packages are ...ummm... rather geeky for the average novice01:52
iancaffinated: what kind of integration are you thinking of?  what about having the easy one be able to launch the hard one01:52
thoreauputicthe search function works OK but package names can be unintuitive01:53
CarlK_I think the paralel port can do 1.5mbps, about as fast as my cable modem before comcast started speeding them up ;)01:53
caffinatedian: well, you'd start the easy one as the default, and then you could either a) make a preference to switch to the hard, or b) make a conspicuous button that is labeled "easy mode" and "hard mode" respectively.01:53
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ianthoreauputic: agreed.  couldn't use those.  but writing a few hundred normal-human-readable descriptions shouldn't be too hard (surely there are some ubuntu/redhat/novell/volunteer writers)01:53
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black_Nightmarecarlk_ xircom parallel>rj45?? thats interesting I need to locate one lol01:54
black_Nightmarebrb :p01:54
ianthoreauputic: remember that it would only be apps (not -dev, libraries, etc.), and only ones that use modern technology (GTK2) and at least try to fit in in gnome (ie. be easy to use).  so not too many, I think01:55
caffinatedian: i don't really see a problem with having the two modes in the same program, provided that there is a really obvious way to switch.01:55
CarlK_black_Nightmare - i thnk you are confusing someting01:55
ice_1963synaptic is vary good you know that =)01:55
ianit's good for us... :)01:55
caffinatedotherwise you get in to having multiple package managers on the same system, and for a novice, that may also be confusing01:55
thoreauputician: an example: how the heck is anyone supposed to know that for rhythmbox to play mp3 requires installing gstreamer0.8-mad ?01:55
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iancaffinated: I wonder if the simple one could apt-get and install the fancy one the first time the user clicks Advanced...? :)01:56
caffinatedthoreauputic: the solution is to dump rhythm box as an option.01:56
caffinatedat least until they can make that make more sense.01:56
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caffinatedian: that's a thought too01:56
geneo93ian:  try mandrake it uses gurpmi and it gets all depends you need for apps to run01:57
thoreauputician: so the only people who find that out are those who have the skills to find it  ( gstreamer etc) Unfortunately if they don't kow how to access the wiki or IRC they are stuffed...01:57
caffinatedthoreauputic: i have a huge problem with some of the default applications in ubuntu - they simply do not work out of the box.  the media applications are bad that way.01:58
geneo93including codecs01:58
ianthoreauputic: which of course, they don't01:58
thoreauputician: exactly01:58
black_Nightmaresorry carlk_ was thinking a bit too fast :p01:58
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pvhthoreauputic: the problem is a legal one01:58
thoreauputiccaffinated: totem is another unfortunate example of that...01:58
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iancaffinated: do they not work for any free formats?01:58
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caffinatedthoreauputic: yes.  totem left my setup fast.01:58
ice_1963mandrake is for kid's01:59
caffinatedian: i couldn't even get totem to play back mpeg without modification.01:59
andrilthoreauputic: do you know how to remove a item from the Applications > Sound & Vido menu - RealPlayer?01:59
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thoreauputicpvh: I undestand the legal issue - nut a link to the relevant pages on the site could be provided, surely ?01:59
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caffinatedian: out of the box, it's about as useful as a paperweight ;)01:59
geneo93ice thats what he wants in ubuntu01:59
mjr(having totem use gstreamer by default when it has problems playing video smoothly _is_ a bit unwise, methinks)01:59
pvhthoreauputic: I believe ubuntuguide will be included as part of Hoary.01:59
caffinatedmjr: i agree.  they should make it use xine.02:00
ianmjr: I wonder if it's to push gstreamer development?02:00
thoreauputicpvh: good news :)02:00
pvhthoreauputic: even better would be if all the things in ubuntuguide were fixed for hoary02:00
ice_1963why02:00
thoreauputicandril: are you on warty?02:00
mjrian, maybe02:00
pvhthoreauputic: but there are good reasons for most of the problems in there02:00
thoreauputicpvh: yes, I grok02:00
mjrI hope it's pushed quickly02:00
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thoreauputicandril: ah, that entry must be a hoary entry - don't know then ( I'm using warty here)02:02
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robertjack!02:03
robertjIs Wobbly Windows for real?02:03
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apokryphosthoreauputic: :-O02:04
thoreauputicapokryphos: heh02:04
VjazAnyone here who has successfully configured a GPRS Internet connection over IRDA and a phone?02:04
ianrobertj: are you referring to seth nickell's blog?02:04
black_Nightmarehmmm IrDa......02:04
ice_1963hhmmmmmmmm02:04
robertjindeed02:04
black_Nightmarethat makes me thinking02:04
black_NightmareLOL ice02:04
Vjazblack_Nightmare: you know anything about configuring irda?02:05
thoreauputicapokryphos: I'll install hoary when the CDs arrive (dialup here)02:05
ice_1963do tel02:05
ianrobertj: it's real but not necessarily going to make it into production software02:05
black_Nightmareany of you know about these wireless adapters that you can buy in stores for your online-abled game console?02:05
robertjian: I still haven't finished reading, I'll ask why not in a few minutes ;)02:05
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ianrobertj: pretty cool looking huh?02:05
iansomething a little more subtle might be good02:06
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black_Nightmareor not I guess02:06
darkgamer20hey everyone02:07
darkgamer20I installed ubuntu02:07
robertjand it played in Firefox02:07
robertjI feel like I came home 5 years in the future02:07
darkgamer20and i upgraded02:07
ice_1963ok that's good02:07
ianrobertj: I think part of "why not" is that it all requires Luminocity which is an experiment of Owen's, not prime time stuff02:08
darkgamer20i want to know if it is ok to comment out the olf kernel in menu.lst?02:08
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thoreauputicdarkgamer20: it's OK but having the old kernel is a nice fallback at times02:08
robertjrequires? I was under the impression that it was Luminocity?02:09
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robertjis there some other bit besides the fd.o extensions we all know and love?02:09
thoreauputicdarkgamer20: if a new kernel breaks something02:09
ellstritium: I have returned,......but on my laptop02:09
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darkgamer20thoreauputic: thanks I know its safe to leave it there i am just going to comment it out02:09
tritiumells, ok02:10
thoreauputicdarkgamer20: your choice - as always with Free software ;)02:10
tritiumells, one minute02:10
ianrobertj: I think "wobbly windows" is sort of a plugin effect for Luminocity, although where open source software begins and ends is sometimes hard to say :)02:10
ellstritium: I am thinking I will have to reinstall.....okay02:10
darkgamer20thoreauputic: thank you :)02:10
Nibelis it possible to use native debian packages with ubuntu02:11
darkgamer20see you everyone02:11
darkgamer20Nibel: yes02:11
Nibelty02:11
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thoreauputicdarkgamer20: don't thank me - thank the people who thought up the licences :)02:11
darkgamer20Nibel: but you should find most of the packages in "Universe"02:11
darkgamer20bye everyone02:11
typothe hoary install cd freezes one kernel boot right after saying what's the version of the ACPI subsystem. What should I do?02:12
typos/one/on/02:12
thoreauputicNibel: possible but not a Good Idea (tm)02:12
iantypo: on a laptop?02:12
typoian: yes02:12
iantypo: what type?02:12
typoian: Asus M2400N centrino02:12
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typoian: I have been using 2.6.9-ac13 with S3 suspend and all02:13
typoian: and ACPI has worked for a long time in this laptop02:13
iantypo: there are some notes about that laptop here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops  no mention of that problem though02:14
typoian: I read those02:15
typoian: maybe that was with warty?02:15
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robertjian: that makes OS X look very restrained02:15
typoian: should I try booting with acpi=off?02:16
ianrobertj: I had the same thought. I wonder if Apple will ever allow 3rd parties to make new effects02:16
robertjI actually like the idea of being able to wave a window to see behind it02:16
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iantypo: I would say try it.  although then you don't have ACPI... :)  how is APM on that laptop?02:16
typoian: I don't think it exists even02:17
typoian: I'd just have to install my own kernel02:17
typoian: not a big problem02:17
typoian: right?02:17
ianI may have to do the same on my T2302:17
iannot sure-- anyone want to chime in here?  is installing a custom compiled kernel hard on ubuntu?02:18
VjazNo harder than on any other distro.02:18
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typofine, I have a compiled one right there in my home02:19
typoand since I'm not overwriting that installing it should be fine02:19
typooff to try02:19
typothanks02:19
iangood luck02:19
typoshould I file a kernel bug about this?02:19
michal_dhi. will the hoary preview be easily upgradable to the hoary release? i'm not sure which cd image to download02:19
tritiummichal_d, people are already updating their hoary preview installs daily, so yes02:20
michal_dok. thanks02:20
geneo93bbiab02:21
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poningruok stupid question, I am sure people have been kicked for this, but is ubuntu being combined with user linux?02:21
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Fackamatouser linux?02:22
Fackamatowhat's that?02:22
poningruhttp://www.userlinux.com/02:22
poningrubbl02:22
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EricNeon02:23
EricNeonsmurfix,02:23
thundrcleezesay what?02:23
thoreauputicponingru: I gather Bruce Perens says no02:23
VjazDoes Google work for anyone else?02:23
EricNeonI got your e-mal,02:23
Fackamatoyes02:23
VjazO_O02:23
EricNeonthank you02:23
poningru?02:23
poningruso are we combining a distro here?02:24
thoreauputicVjaz: heh... never finds what I want! I'm filing a bug ! *grin*02:24
VjazIs Google working right now?02:24
akkI wonder about the userlinux thing too.  He talks about it but when I've gone to the site there doesn't seem to be much going on.02:24
ianVjaz: yes02:24
VjazAaaaaaaaaaa.02:24
black_Nightmarevjaz... try this for now? www.teoma.com02:24
VjazCurse the ISP02:24
black_Nightmareits actually my homepage ;)02:24
black_Nightmarenot my site..I mean the browser homepage02:24
black_Nightmare:p02:24
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poningruhttp://lists.userlinux.com/pipermail/discuss/2005-March/007251.html02:25
Vjazblack_Nightmare: ok, was thinking it's probably a porn site or something02:25
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black_Nightmarevjaz...WTF???? are you crazy?02:25
black_Nightmarelol02:25
Vjazblack_Nightmare: which would've been thoughtful also, given the most popular search keywords...02:25
CarlKduh... what is the irc list wildcard char?  /list #ubunt* is not showing me ubuntu02:25
MarkrianIf I installed Hoary Preview now, and updated via APT when the Hoary is released, would I be at any disadvantage to people who installed Hoary final directly?02:25
thoreauputicblack_Nightmare: you don't have a porn site as your home page? What's wrong with you ? :D02:25
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Markriani.e., would anything be different on my system/02:26
black_Nightmare:p02:26
robl^ubuntu needs some antipsychotic drugs!! its doing very odd things.  its telling me it can't install gnustep because gworkspace.app and viewpdf.app will not be install.. but they are already installed02:26
VjazHm... Google works again...02:26
VjazCursed ISP.02:27
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michal_dmakrian: i was led to believe "no"02:28
VjazThat Teoma site doesn't really look like a match for Google.02:28
VjazThe results I got from Google were much more relevant.02:28
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VjazI was searching for a keyword in Finnish though, so that might affect the search in a bad way.02:29
Zugotdeb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main.... this looks correct?02:29
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Burkhi02:30
phxguycan anybody in here help me with my screensavers???02:30
thoreauputicphxguy: hard to say until you specify the problem...02:31
VjazZugot: I have "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" but it probably makes no difference02:31
VjazI'd say it's ok02:31
Zugotoops... i used http instead of ftp02:32
Zugotoops02:32
phxguywell i have installed my nvidia drivers and everything but when i go to test any of my screensavers they do not seem to work thoreauputic02:32
thoreauputicphxguy: how are you testing? are you running xscreensaver-demo or what?02:32
phxguythoreauputic: in the screen saver window i click on preview02:33
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thoreauputicphxguy: and *none* of them will preview? or just some?02:34
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phxguythoreauputic: im using KDE and the only ones that preview in the little are the ones from x-screensaver. but when i go to test it it doesn't do anything02:34
strugglercan anyone tell me if you can boot off of software raid 5 using yaboot? and if so, how?02:35
thoreauputicphxguy: ah, KDE issue I think02:35
thoreauputicphxguy: I don't have KDE here, sorry02:35
machoohi i just plugged in an external hard drive 40gb that I stored my filed (old win xp files) and i can't access them now although the system recognmizes the device02:35
phxguythoreauputic: i did some updates today and now im back in the screensaver panel and everything is differnet02:36
thoreauputicphxguy: maybe ask in #kubuntu02:36
phxguycould i have been missing a library or something02:36
phxguyi already asked in  #kubuntu no one there is talking02:36
thoreauputicphxguy: could be a conflict with the KDE screensaver, but asking in #kubuntu would be an idea, I think02:37
thoreauputicphxguy: I see02:37
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crimsunmachoo: what filesystem?02:37
machoouh sorry am new to ubuntu what do you mean?02:37
robertjbeagle's compile page is way out of date for warty now, right?02:38
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robertjerr hoary02:38
thoreauputicphxguy: have you tried turning the kde screensaver off and running xscreensaver-demo from a terminal ?02:38
crimsunmachoo: are those old win xp files on an NTFS partition?02:38
phxguyAh Kewl!!!! they are working now02:38
machoocrimsum: i copied my windows documents to the hdd before switching to ubuntu02:38
machooi think so02:38
CarlKis there a channel that bugzilla anounces to?02:38
machoocrimsum: i think so02:38
phxguyI must have been missing something thoreauputic ...02:38
thoreauputicphxguy: what did you do to make them work?02:38
esherhmmmm02:38
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machoocrimsum: actually i don't remember formatting the disk myself, i think the guy at the store did it02:39
crimsunmachoo: try mounting it.  First, create a mountpoint, like: sudo mkdir -p /media/windows02:39
esherwhere is midnight commander gone in latest hoary ??02:39
phxguynothing really.... Like i said earlier i did an update earlier today and now everything is different in there02:39
^thehatsrule^mc? O.o02:39
machoocrimsum: baby steps please :) how do I do that02:39
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esherhehe02:39
esherserver install dont have this hehe02:39
madelhi there...  anyone was aviable to run OpenOffice.org 2 in ubuntu?02:39
esherand apt-cache search midnight or commander dont find anything02:40
crimsunmachoo: then, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /media/windows02:40
esheri install now from source :(02:40
struggleranyone familiar with apple hardware and raid?02:40
CarlKmadel - I would if I could get past an instal hangup -02:40
machoocrimsum: what app do i use to put these commands in am only familiar with synaptic02:40
crimsunmachoo: those two commands are typed in a Terminal (or Konsole if you're using Kubuntu)02:41
madelCarlK,  control+c ?02:41
phxguythanks for trying to help thoreauputic ... i appreciate it02:41
CarlKmadel - huh?02:41
thoreauputicphxguy: no worries :)02:41
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madelCarlK, joking...02:42
CarlKah02:42
phxguythoreauputic: can you help me with something else???02:42
thoreauputicphxguy: just ask - if anyone can help, they will02:42
machoocrimsum: i used the first commend and it says to type mkdir --help02:43
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BockBilbocan someone tell me how to disable the x server in the startup ?02:43
ben0nethoreauputic, using hoary ?02:43
CarlKin bugzilla, is there a "related to02:43
machoocrimsum: thing is I could read the files automatically with warty02:44
crimsunmachoo: sudo mkdir -p /media/windows02:44
CarlKI see depends and blocks, but want to loosly tie two together02:44
thoreauputicben0ne: I'm on warty atm02:44
machoocrimsum: sorry missed a space02:44
phxguyFor some reason when I try to change the image for my username it tells me that i can't change it and to contact mmy administrator02:45
thoreauputicBockBilbo: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove should do it, IIRC02:45
machoocrimsum: it says special drive does not exist but I saw the lights change ont he external drive when it was working on the command02:46
BockBilbothoreauputic, so, if i do that, after booting, i will have a shell login prompt02:46
BockBilboright?02:46
thoreauputicphxguy: does it ask for a paddword?02:46
phxguynoope just says i can't change it02:46
BockBilboand if then i want to start the X server ill have to do startx02:46
thoreauputicBockBilbo: I believe so02:46
crimsunmachoo: do you have any other external HDs?02:46
crimsunmachoo: is it a USB HD?02:47
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machoocrimsum: yes sorry failed to mention it is a usb external hd02:47
strugglerdoes anyone know anything about booting raid 5 on a powerpc?02:47
crimsunmachoo: but it's the only one, correct?02:47
machooyes02:47
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machoocrimsum: aside from the one i have inside the pc02:47
phxguyok i got the exact error msg:  Your administrator has disallowed changing your image.02:47
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crimsunmachoo: please tell me privately the output of, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda02:48
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madelso... no1 has installed openoffice.org2?02:49
Kamakazielots of people have02:49
madelKamakazie, have you? could you help me?02:49
crimsunit's a bit crashy for me, madel, when opening large Word documents.02:49
BockBilbothoreauputic, is this ok?: root@PC-SERVIDOR:/var/www# update-rc.d gdm remove02:50
BockBilboupdate-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)02:50
madelcrimsun, you think I should wait for the final release?02:50
crimsunmadel: I'm can't make that recommendation for you, though I'm sticking with 1.1.302:50
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thoreauputicBockBilbo: hmm...not sure on that - maybe someone else can tell you02:50
jordanaui have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?02:51
madelcrimsun, why r you stuck?02:51
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BockBilbothoreauputic, could that be cause im running gdm?02:51
crimsunmadel: I'm not02:51
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black_Nightmareany of you know if ubuntu works well with TNT2 Pro cards?02:52
black_Nightmareits 16MB agp :p02:52
thoreauputicBockBilbo: probably - you can try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop to kill X and get a tty02:52
BockBilbothoreauputic, im actually doing all of this via ssh02:52
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crimsunblack_Nightmare: Warty works fine, and Hoary's nv driver works. Hoary's nvidia driver is broken.02:53
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thoreauputicBockBilbo: without X or through gdm?02:53
black_Nightmarecrimsun...hrm so I should probably wait for the final release of hoary to ask again then?02:53
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BockBilbowhat do you mean?02:53
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thoreauputicBockBilbo: was your ssh session using X, and is gdm running on the remote system?02:54
BockBilbo(i think i have dissabled gdm)02:54
crimsunblack_Nightmare: the Nvidia drivers are not likely to be updated again before Hoary releases.  If you require hardware-accelerated 3D on your TNT2, I recommend you install 1.0-7167 manually.  Otherwise, the 2D "nv" driver works just fine.02:54
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BockBilbogdm was running on the remote system yes, and my ssh session is using x02:54
BockBilbolol02:54
mellinuxHey fellas, what's the terminal command to reset everything in X?02:54
BockBilbobut i think ive done it02:54
black_Nightmarecrimsun..ahh ok I see now02:55
black_Nightmarety02:55
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thoreauputicBockBilbo: OK :)02:55
mellinuxmy XF86Config-4 file got messed up..02:55
gankzorI've got unrar and I want to use it to extract a file from multiple rar files, but it only wants to extract from the first file and not continue to the rest, how do I do this02:55
thoreauputicmellinux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:55
black_Nightmarecrimsun its that one local used store has three of these cards in stock -- I'll have try trade my older cards (two are 4MB pci, don't laugh lol) to try get one TNT2 card :p02:55
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mellinuxthanks man02:56
thoreauputicmellinux: assuming you didn't edit it manually02:56
mellinuxi did.02:56
thoreauputicoh02:56
mellinuxdang02:56
BockBilbothoreauputic, i wanted to dissable the x server cause i see no use of it in my web server02:56
mellinuxis that henry david thoreau?02:56
thoreauputicmellinux: in that case, read the top of the file - it tells you how to fix it so dpkg-reconfigure will work02:57
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mellinuxi can't read it02:57
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BockBilboits a really old computer running ubuntu, and makes no sense using resources for nothing02:57
BockBilbolol02:57
mellinux...x doesn't work at all, i have a big, non-graphic window02:57
thoreauputicmellinux: of course you can -   less /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:58
mellinuxthat's the command to reset it?02:58
thoreauputicmellinux: use the space bar to read each screen02:58
thoreauputicmellinux: no, that's to look at it02:58
thoreauputicmellinux: at the top it tells you what to do if you want to reset it02:59
mellinuxok thanks man =] 02:59
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mellinuxbe back in a bit02:59
jordanaui have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?03:01
gankzorHow do I get unrar to extract from multiple split archives03:01
robertjstupid cat03:01
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fangoriouswhat's the no-gui runlevel?03:02
black_Nightmareso crimsun ~ if I use hoary preview .. the TNT2 Pro card would be a 2D card for gnome ... then I do a manual upgrade (or is that more of downgrade? lol) of the drivers to get full 3D performance03:02
black_Nightmareright?03:02
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crimsunblack_Nightmare: essentially, yes.03:02
thoreauputicfangorious: debian style distros don't use runlevels for gui/non-gui03:03
black_Nightmarety03:03
black_Nightmarehmm say...03:03
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black_Nightmarehave they figured firewire support for linux yet or thats for a future kernel?03:03
fangoriousthoreauputic: so do I have to boot in single-user mode from grub to not get X/gdm loading?03:03
knuckshow do i set up an ftp on ubuntu?03:03
akkRegular debian seems to use runlevels for gui/nongui (cmdline/x), but ubuntu apparently doesn't.03:03
crimsunakk: debian does not.03:04
crimsunakk: 2-5 are identical03:04
gankzorHow do I get unrar to extract from multiple split archives?03:04
black_Nightmarehm..anyone? :p03:04
thoreauputicfangorious: you can disable gdm03:04
crimsungankzor: extract the first one in the set, and unrar will continue03:04
thoreauputicfangorious: have a look at the update-rc.d command03:05
fangoriousthoreauputic: and if after installing 5.04 the default boot gives me a blank screen fromwhich I can only ctrl-alt-del to reboot (checking vt1-6 doesn't seem to work)03:05
crimsunblack_Nightmare: for what, mass storage?  That's already functional.03:05
knuckshow do i set up an ftp on ubuntu? please?03:05
fangoriousknucks: and ftp server?03:05
knucksthats what i want. an ftp server03:06
thoreauputicfangorious: umm... that sounds like /etc/inittab is fubar, but I may be wrong...03:06
akkfangorious: How about just apt-get remove gdm?  That's what I end up doing on my debian machines.03:06
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black_Nightmarecrimsun ah hmm so the creative soundblaster audigy card is kinda fully useable under ubuntu then? (sound card with one firewire400)03:06
akkfangorious: Sometimes it comes back (other packages dependant on it) and you have to remove it again.03:06
fangoriousknucks: have you looked at proftpd03:06
knucksnope03:06
knucksapt-get it?03:06
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crimsunblack_Nightmare: no, firewire support in alsa is forthcoming.03:06
black_Nightmareah ok03:07
black_Nightmarewas only curious..I don't quite have any need of firewire yet :p03:07
akkblack_Nightmare: It's a little flaky for mass storage; doesn't work with all hardware.03:08
fangoriousakk: I can't seem to get to a shell at all. I see the boot sequence, and when I expect gdm to load (or a text console login to appear), the screen goes blank.03:08
black_Nightmarebrb for a minute03:08
knucksok i got proftpd03:08
akkfangorious: ctl-alt-F2 ?03:08
knucksnow what?03:08
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crimsunfangorious: what graphics chipset?03:08
fangoriousakk: doesn't do anything. all I can do is reboot via power button or ctrl-alt-del03:09
geneo93wow got it back03:09
fangorioussingle-user seems to give me a shell ... seems X is hanging ... intel i830M03:09
knucksum..03:09
knucksi apt-get install proftpd03:09
knucksnow what?03:09
knuckshow do i run it..03:09
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fangoriousknucks: check out the man pages for how to configure it. there should be an /etc/init.d/proftpd script to start/stop it03:10
crimsunfangorious: I believe that's being sorted (i810).03:10
blackzillacan any one help a begginer03:10
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blackzillaI just installed ubuntu and I can't find my hard drives03:11
knucksits not a gui?03:11
knucksi want a gui :(03:11
fangoriouscrimsun: how can it still be broken .... every other current distro i've tried works with the chip03:11
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fangoriousknucks: uh, i'm not familiar with any gui ftpd config tools on linux. (and i haven't configured proftpd in a couple of years)03:12
akkServer apps seldom have guis; lots of servers don't even have X installed, so server apps can't rely on them.03:12
knucksakk: true03:12
Zugotok...03:12
knucksok so how do i check my ftp?03:12
knucksi don even know how to work this03:12
Zugotyou can run linux under linux correct?03:13
fangoriousso is there a workaround I can do for this chip?03:13
geneo93veas03:13
geneo93vesa03:13
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akkfangorious: In single user mode, you could try update-rc.d -f gdm remove03:15
akkfangorious: which might get you booting into a cmdline.03:15
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akk(if apt-get remove gdm doesn't work)03:15
blackzillaplease excuse me if Im not familiar with the ettiquette I've never chatterd before but I hope someone can help me find my hard drives03:15
fangoriousakk: yeah, but it seems I'll have to use the VESA driver use X03:15
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crimsunfangorious: I'm not familiar with the i810 and Hoary's X.Org; have you searched bugzilla?03:16
fangoriouscrimsun: in the process03:16
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fangoriousis the vesa driver VESA or vesa in xorg.conf?03:18
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geneo93fangorious:  just edit xorg,cong and put vesa driver03:20
fangoriousgeneo93: couldn't recall the capitalization, vesa seems to be right. C loaded.03:20
fangorioushrm .. "failed to initialize HAL"03:21
fangoriousC loaded means X loaded03:21
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geneo93hmm ctrl alt backspace03:21
geneo93or reboot03:22
fangoriousgeneo93: X loaded just fine with VESA, fully responsive, just got a big error window that said that, and on OK button, rebooting03:22
danielsfangorious: what's your problem with i810?03:23
danielsfangorious: oh03:23
danielsfangorious: what resolution are you running at?03:24
geneo93he has a i830m03:24
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fangoriousdaniels: daniels 1024x768, 24 bpp03:24
fangoriouscan't find anything in bugzilla. but I have a history of not being able find things and filing a duplicate03:24
jordanaui have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?03:25
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danielsfangorious: try editing xorg.conf and adding the following two lines:03:25
danielsHorizSync 36-5203:25
danielsVertRefresh 36-6003:25
fangoriousI notice the kernel option "splash" in the grub kernel lines. did ubuntu opt to use bootsplash rather than an rhgb type approach?03:26
danielsfangorious: those go in the Display section03:26
robertjare there mono 1.1 debs floating around anywhere?03:26
danielsfangorious: if it doesn't work, try bumping the 52 in HorizSync down to 51 or up to 5303:26
danielsrobertj: nope, we're going with our own solution, called 'usplash' that is somewhere between the two (entirely in userspace, but not invoking X at all)03:26
robertjdaniels: hrmm?03:27
robertjdnaiels: hehe, I think your answer is matched to the wrong person03:28
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fangoriousdaniels: I asked about bootsplash. ;)03:28
robertjand I asked about mono 1.103:28
geneo93confused03:29
zulfangorious: no to bootsplash03:29
danielsfangorious: yes, but I'm trying to solve your X problem as well without needing to use vesa03:29
crimsunrobertj: work is being done on mono 1.1.  Whether it makes it in for Hoary is another issue altogether.03:29
fangoriousdaniels: the Display subsection of the Screen section?03:29
danielsfangorious: (i'm the xorg maintainer, and would rather like it if it worked out of the box everywhere)03:29
danielsfangorious: actually, the top-level Monitor section, sorry03:30
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geneo93hehe i have a naked gnome03:30
black_Nightmareany of you know if its possibel to have a 12x dvdrw drive?03:30
sander__daniels, at this point is the x.org ati driver as good as the binary for ati7500 mobility?03:30
robertjcrimsun: if it makes it will beagle .0.8 go in universe?03:30
black_NightmareI thought it was like either 8x or 16x for dvd (dvdrom too even)03:30
fangoriousdaniels, looks like it's working03:30
sander__er radeon 750003:30
danielssander__: fglrx doesn't even work on that chip03:30
sander__That would be yes then. :)03:31
black_Nightmaresander.... heh I have an aiw7500 here :p03:31
black_Nightmarenot used thou03:31
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mebaran151Anyone know any phones that sync with Evolution03:31
crimsunrobertj: tseng is the person you should ask.03:31
mebaran151I was looking at a pretty Sony03:31
mebaran151but I really would like it to sync with Evolution03:31
fangoriousdaniels: is there a gui xorg.conf config tool (other than gvim)?03:32
sander__black_Nightmare, at some point I went all Athlon/ATI. I don't know what caused it. I t happened so fast.03:32
jordanaui have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?03:32
mebaran151fangorious, you could try gedit03:32
mebaran151if you just want to edit the text files03:32
black_Nightmaresamder...oh ok03:32
fangoriouslol03:32
Blissexjordanau: depends on how geeky you are.03:32
mebaran151the text files are pretty easy to navigate03:32
danielsfangorious: not really, sorry03:32
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fangoriousmebaran151: i meant to avoid hand tweaking the text file03:33
Blissexjordanau: an HTTP server is an alternative, and HTTP+WbDAV is particularly convenient.03:33
mebaran151fangorious, just tweek it03:33
fangoriousdaniels: no big deal, if it's working it's working03:33
mebaran151the gui tools I have tried are usually not reliable03:33
mebaran151I am sure you can handle it03:33
mebaran151if you installed Linux03:33
mebaran151you can tweak them03:33
mebaran151if you want03:33
mebaran151try xorgconf03:33
mebaran151it will generate one for you03:33
mebaran151I think03:33
sander__And now I find ATI is crappy for linux. I guess until all that fancy cairo/kdrive/gl stuff makes it to my level it doesn't make a difference anyway.03:33
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mebaran151xorgconfig03:34
mebaran151sorry03:34
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fangoriousmebaran151: i was just thinking about the posibility of running such a tool messing up the sync rates I put in by hand sugested by daniels. thanks for the tip on xorgconfig though (and system-config-display on fedora has been pretty good to me)03:35
mebaran151ah03:37
mebaran151yeah03:37
mebaran151if you have weird sync rates03:37
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mebaran151I think it lets you put them in03:38
mebaran151but if you can put those in03:38
mebaran151you should be ok03:38
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strugglerAnybody seen this on Warty?  GNOME hangs after the login screen before putting up the desktop when connecting from a remote X terminal.  XFCE works fine, so I don't think it is a permission issue.03:38
geneo93back in a flash03:38
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kkathmancan apt-get upgrade just one application?  The newest Firefox is 1.0.2 and the version I have is 0.93.03:39
geppyNo.03:39
fangorioussweet, only 284 updates available03:39
geppykkathman: You could 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox'03:39
kkathmangeppy.. and that would get the most recent?03:39
geppykkathman: Yep.03:39
kkathmanI guess only if the recent version was in the archive eh?03:40
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ioguixplop03:40
Roeyhi03:40
RoeyI get this when I start xmms:  21:38:01 kamelot xmms03:40
Roeylibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:40
RoeyInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!03:40
Roeywtf?03:40
ioguixRoey: I had the same pb...03:41
geppyRoey:  sudo apt-get install libmikmod203:41
mebaran151Roey03:41
geppy*sigh*03:41
mebaran151apt-get install libmikmod203:41
mebaran151geppy beat me03:41
mebaran151haha03:41
geppyhaha03:41
geppy=)03:41
ioguixgeppy: you're faster than me :)03:41
mebaran151Geppy wins03:41
crimsunRoey: that's fixed already.03:41
mebaran151we should give him a trophy03:41
geppyhahaha =)03:41
crimsunRoey: you no longer need the libmikmod/libesd0 workarounds.03:41
mebaran151I like libmikmod03:42
mebaran151I dont know what it does03:42
mebaran151or why I need it03:42
geppybut, hey, it works03:42
crimsunit was a libc6 issue03:42
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geppyWhen will usplash be out?03:42
crimsunBreezy, perhaps.03:43
crimsundefinitely not in time for Hoary.03:43
strugglerAnyone using Warty/GNOME by way of a Xterminal or Windows running a X server?03:43
geppyAlright.03:43
Roeygeppy:  this ubuntu seems rushed...03:43
Roeygeppy:  packages are missing all over the place03:43
geppyRoey:  Hoary is coming out in a couple of weeks, they can't add anything new.03:43
Roeycrimsun:  they don't have konq-plugins for example, in kubuntu.03:43
Roeygeppy:  so they're going to leave it broken like this?03:43
fangoriousdaniels: any hint why the i915 kernel module loaded instead of the i830 module? you think that might explain the problem?03:43
geppyRoey: Kubuntu != Ubuntu03:43
zeratha I am having some wierd issues and need help with them. It's on Hoary.03:43
Roeygeppy:  xmms doesn't really work03:43
geppyRoey:  Hey, it's not broken for me.03:44
Roeygeppy:  kubuntu is just a set of packages, it's still ubuntu03:44
geppyRoey: XMMS works fine for me.03:44
Roeygeppy:  didn't here.03:44
geppyRoey: That sucks.03:44
kkathmankubuntu = KDE more or less I think03:44
geppykkathman: Right.03:44
Roeygeppy:  it also formats partitions even though you told it not to03:44
geppyBut, seriously, if you want KDE, use Mepis.03:44
geppyRoey:  Never happened to me03:44
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kkathmanwhy Mepis?03:44
Roeygeppy:  happened here.03:44
Roeyand the sound drivers are still messed up in the kernel!03:44
geppykkathman: Because it's like Ubuntu, but it's based on KDE.03:44
Roeyall this distortion!03:44
geppyNot for me.03:45
Roeygeppy:  it w3asn't here with kernel 2.403:45
Roeysblive.03:45
geppyRoey: Sounds like your install is jacked up.03:45
geppySBLive here, as well.03:45
kkathmanohh hmm..well my system is pretty minimal and I doubt it would run KDE very well03:45
crimsunRoey: I don't see 3.4 for kdeaddons03:45
kkathmanI gotta get more memory for this wittle box lol03:45
jordanauHi what is the best way to host all of my MP3's for a friend of mine to download?03:45
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crimsunRoey: 3.3.2 for amd64 didn't even build successfully until Feb 26th03:45
Roeycrimsun:  rushed...03:46
kkathmancrimsun, is that because you are in warty?03:46
black_Nightmarekkath..I'm trying to locate a compactible 128MB stick for my pc's motherboard lol :p03:46
kkathmanI think in warty only the KDE core is available03:46
black_Nightmaretill then..the case is half disassembled (almost all drives out.... all ribbons removed) for now :p03:46
crimsunRoey: talk to the kubuntu guys03:46
kkathmanyou have to go to hoary to get all the KDE addons etc03:46
Roeycrimsun:  I mean in general.03:46
fangoriousjordanau: ftp, webdav, http, sftp, ...03:46
Roeykkathman:  that I'll ask in #kubuntu03:47
Roeykkathman:  right now I have issues with non-kde stuff as well.03:47
crimsunRoey: meaning how?03:47
Roeycrimsun:  how what?03:47
Roeycrimsun:  what the problems are?03:47
black_Nightmarewhat is 'kubuntu' anyhow?03:47
Roeybtw03:47
crimsunRoey: sure.03:47
Roeyblack_Nightmare:  a set of packages that makes Ubuntu usable03:47
kkathmanRoey: I understand...I have been researching moving to hoary to get the KDE03:47
black_Nightmareoh ok03:47
mebaran151black_Nightmare, you want Ubuntu03:47
mebaran151but you dont like Gonme03:47
kkathmantheres a good page on it in the wiki03:47
mebaran151and enjoy German technology03:47
Roeyblack_Nightmare:  Kubuntu is a set of KDE debs for Ubuntu.03:47
mebaran151so you go with Kubuntu and its KDE tech03:48
crimsunRoey: keep in mind for universe packages, there are barely one dozen of us overseeing fifteen thousand packages.03:48
ogramebaran151, LOL03:48
Roeycrimsun:  sure! understood!03:48
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black_Nightmarehm I think I'll stick to gnome -- the least addon/edits I have to do..the easier it'll be for me to get hang of using LINUX as my main computer or something :p03:48
mebaran151Gnome is cool03:48
Roeycrimsun:  I want to get EVMS off my /boot.03:48
kkathmangnome is ok03:48
Roeygnome is cool under six feet of dirt.03:48
Roeyarg03:48
mebaran151all of them have as mnay bells and whistles03:48
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kkathmanI get conflicting opinions over whether Gnome or KDE is harder on resources03:49
Roeybut len(kde.bellsAndWhistles) > len(gnome.bellsAndWhistles)03:49
Roeykkathman:  gnome is.03:49
Roeytry nautilus.03:49
shank_kkathman, kde is03:49
machooanyone got a limewire equiv for ubuntu?03:49
mebaran151kkathman, you want resource independence03:49
mebaran151go with XFCE03:49
kkathmansee :)03:49
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shank_Roey, have you ran any recent very of nautilus?03:49
ianRoey: you're thinking 2001 ...03:49
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typoian: the install was flawless03:49
tomcatHey all, just got my 1st ubuntu install up!03:49
iantypo: excellent :)03:49
Quest-MasterRoey: Gnome's main menu in Hoary takes almost 15 seconds to load on my fabulous machine03:49
tomcatVery nice...03:49
Roeymebaran151:  everyone says that but kde can be less resource dependent than xfce... it depends on what KDE components you want to use03:49
typoian: a quick kernel install later and I have ACPI and sound03:49
kkathmanmebaran...I just have a very minimal system right now...only 96mb memoryUGH03:50
RoeyQuest-Master:  I'm happy your machine is fabulous ;)03:50
crimsunRoey simply likes kde, let's leave it at that.03:50
shank_Quest-Master, turn on memory cache'ing of menu items03:50
kkathmanan old Celeron based HP Pavillion I picked up03:50
smouchexfce4, beautiful.  Log-ins are near instantaneous, window themes are very nice.  Just works.03:50
RoeyLove, don't like. There is no like.03:50
Quest-Mastershank_: I'll try.03:50
mebaran151XFCE looks nicer03:50
Roeyor actually,03:50
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typoian: but I'd rather use the ubuntu kernels03:50
Wildthingdoes anyone here use irssi?03:50
RoeyLove, like not.  There is no like.03:50
typoian: what should I do?03:50
Roeycrimsun:  hi!03:50
shank_Quest-Master, its more of an issue that it checks the disk for updates03:50
Quest-MasterXFCE looks really nice03:50
shank_more than an issue of ram usage03:50
Roeycrimsun:  how do get evms off /boot?03:50
Quest-Mastershank_: How do I turn on the cache'ing?03:51
kkathmanmebaran151:  XFCE .. is that in warty hoary?03:51
crimsunRoey: I have zero experience with evms, lvm, and the like.03:51
iantypo: maybe send the kernel config to someone.  not sure who03:51
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shank_Quest-Master, it maybe hidden somewhere now03:51
tomcatI have a question though: How do I get spca50x (or spca5xx?) installed through synaptic? I've got an old intel cs430 webcam I'm trying to get recognized by linux... and I think that's the driver for it...03:51
Roeycrimsun:  oh, ok.03:51
mebaran151XFCE is everywhere03:51
smoucheI like konqueror better than nautilus, but konqueror keeps krashing on me.03:51
mebaran151just in univese03:51
kkathmanuniverse ok03:51
mebaran151both are unfortunate03:51
mebaran151I use the commandline03:51
mebaran151mv and cp03:51
mebaran151haha03:51
Roeysmouche:  several possibilities there03:52
Roeysmouche:  one is heat03:52
kkathmanI was going to go to hoary, but was told it would be better to wait until after April 1 when it goes official03:52
Roeysmouche:  another is memory quality03:52
kkathmanhey smouche :)03:52
ianmebaran151: unfortunate?  are you russian by any chance?03:52
mebaran151no03:52
smouchehello kkathman, Roey, all!03:52
VjazApril 1 would be a fun time for a release.03:52
Roeyhey smouch03:52
zerathaHey everyone, I really need help with an issue I am having.03:52
Roeye03:52
kkathmanVjaz yah :)03:52
VjazI think it's April 4th really.03:52
mebaran151I have Russian ancestry03:52
kkathmanyeah I think 4/4 is right03:53
kkathmansorry bout that03:53
smoucheheat could be it, Roey, my fan may be busted.  Either that or amd64 is surprisingly cool, or the fan is very quiet, or kde is very efficient03:53
VjazEarly on the April fools then?03:53
smoucheseems like my system never gets warm.03:53
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mebaran151my system can fry eggs on a bad day03:53
kkathmansmouche if yours is like mine, it has that auto cool feature03:53
mebaran151cheaper heating03:53
mebaran151dinner all03:54
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typoian: what kernel config?03:55
zerathaNeed a hand with a couple apps that don't start properly.....03:55
typoian: I installed a 2.6.9-ac13 from kernel.org, not an ubuntu kernel03:55
tomcatI have a question though: How do I get spca50x (or spca5xx?) installed through synaptic? I've got an old intel cs430 webcam I'm trying to get recognized by linux... and I think that's the driver for it...03:55
smoucheit's a little spooky; fan never seems to kick in.  I should push this thing in windows, check it out...03:55
Wildthinghello, does anyone here happen to use IRSSI?03:56
smouchewhat computer are you using, kkathman?  I didn't know about "auto cool".  Mine's an hp laptop, amd6403:56
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kkathmansmouche:  I have an AMD64 based system that I run WinXP on for web development03:57
kkathmanMy linux box is a little celeron 500MHz 96MB system that I picked up for almost nothing03:58
Roeysmouche:  heat killed my konqueror all the time03:58
kkathmanI got it to start getting acquainted with Linux and learning03:58
Roeysmouche:  in fact... the stupid thing about the LIBATA, fuck it, is that it won't give you heat information for SATA drives.03:59
sander__smouche, I've noticed that too. 3.4 uses very little CPU. Much better then gnome on my box.03:59
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smoucheyes, sander__, gnome, on my other laptop, athlon xp, really thrashed the cpu.  Couldn't use gimp at all on there...04:00
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black_Nightmarekkath..mine is 300Amhz slot1, only 128MB right now04:00
black_Nightmarelooking to find 2nd stick to get to 256MB total of ram :p04:00
zerathaAll KDE based apps I install fail with a rather long, annoying error message. After installing kubuntu and logging into KDE I get this message: "Could not start process. Unable to create io-slave. Klauncher said Unknown protocol 'file'.04:00
Cube-nesshmm.. where BESIDES the font prefs would a gnome system font be set? I cant seem to change the app, menu, etc font anymore. well, i can make the change, and its reflected in the prefs, but no apps take the settings04:00
kkathmanblack:  Yeah Im going to splurge and spend $80 and get this little Celeron maxed out at 256MB HAHA04:01
kkathmanonly two DIMM slots for 128 each lol04:01
rafaeldthave any one experienced performance problems in xorg after updating to hoary ?04:01
geneo93hi Cube-ness04:01
Cube-nesshey04:01
smoucheI don't really have enough ram for transparency.  500 megs -- moving translucent windows around is like sludge04:02
geneo93i'm stuck here with only a striped gnome04:02
black_Nightmarekkath.. $80 sounds a bit steep lol04:02
black_Nightmaremine 128MB stick upgrade (old stick long sold off) was only a few bucks from a local store some years ago :p04:02
kkathmanits "crucial" memory I need to find something prolly less "reputable" hehe04:02
geneo93Cube-ness:  seems there is a problem with gnome menu04:02
black_NightmareLOL kkath :))04:02
kkathmanCrucial being the company..they love sticking it to ya04:03
black_Nightmarekkath...my small problem with locating the right ram is....04:03
black_Nightmareits quite an older fsb04:03
kkathmanbut its kind of a strange DIMM...way out of date I think04:03
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black_Nightmare:p04:03
kkathmanCrucial was the only people still selling it04:03
black_Nightmarewell mine is one step behind the PC100 if you can guess what it is04:04
kkathmanlol yeah I can definitely relate :)04:04
geneo93pc6604:04
kkathmanI think this computer seriously only has a 100FSB04:04
kkathmanbut I got it for like $14.0004:05
kkathmancant argue with that04:05
black_Nightmaregeneo..right04:05
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black_Nightmareand the board refuses PC100 sticks so...there (tried once...fully refunded it...end of story!)04:05
black_Nightmarehave to find a PC66 128MB again somewhere :p04:06
kkathmanwell crap, must not be any newer firefox in the archives :(04:06
kkathman0.93 seems very old to me04:06
kkathmanbrb - dinner time04:06
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caffinatedblack_Nightmare: if it's 168pin pc100 will probably work.  it'll just be reduced to PC66 speed.04:06
Roeyhi04:07
black_Nightmarecaffinated...I think its more of the chipset supporting both 66mhz and 100mhz for that to work04:07
Roeywhat's the procedure to get cpu/mobo temp sensors working?04:07
black_NightmareI might be wrong thou but I tried once and board didn't even want to use the 'newer' ram stick04:07
caffinatedblack_Nightmare: i used to use PC133 ram in a PC100 board without any problems at all.04:07
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black_Nightmarecaffinated..thats only because most PC133 already can clock down to PC10004:07
black_Nightmarebut PC66 seem to be its very own specifications04:08
geneo93PC133 will work also04:08
black_Nightmareor thats as far as I can tell04:08
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caffinatedblack_Nightmare: well, i'd just find some and try.04:08
BockBilbois it possible to remove a whole directory and the files it has inside with a single command in the shell?04:08
caffinatedblack_Nightmare: i'm fairly sure it'll work.04:08
josueanyone knows of a deb for nvu?04:08
thoreauputicBockBilbo: rm -rf <directory>04:08
BockBilbothnks04:09
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thoreauputicBockBilbo: but be *sure* :)04:09
BockBilboyeah04:09
BockBilbo;)04:09
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black_Nightmarecaffinated..hmm ok....one second04:09
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BockBilboand04:11
BockBilbohow do i do to copy a directory into another and allow overwrite?04:11
BockBilbosee... im upgrading a folder with some newer files04:11
BockBilboand directories04:11
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alainmBockBilbo: could you do a cp -R /olddir /newdir?04:12
black_Nightmarehmmm... $41cdn just for PC100 128MB 3.3V .. damn ... going to have to visit some stores in person and see if I can find anything cheaper04:13
|QuaD-anyone know why windows requires carriage returns?04:13
Coilywhen i install the firefox 1.0.2 tar.gz, should i use -C .mozilla/firefox or should i not use -C (assuming i want to instlal into my home dir)?04:13
BockBilbotrying that alainm thanks04:13
Markrian|QuaD-, what do you mean?04:14
|QuaD-text files04:14
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Coilyanyone?04:14
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WillySillywhere are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?04:14
tritiumCoily, there's an Hoary .deb of firefox 1.0.204:14
black_Nightmarequad..even websites have carriage returns and it usually blotches up your clipboards04:14
black_Nightmareits stupid lol04:14
Coilytritium, im not seeing it04:14
alainmCoily:  what is -C?04:14
MarkrianCoily, I'd suggest not installing firefox like that04:14
Coilyalainm, directory=04:14
Markrianstick to APT04:15
|QuaD-black_Nightmare: hehe yeah, but why04:15
black_Nightmareno idea :p04:15
tritiumCoily, it's in Hoary main04:15
Coilymarcin_ant, i agree but im not seeing the debian package04:15
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Coilytritium, ack oops hoary not sid :x04:15
MarkrianSecurity fixes will be backported to Ubuntu's Firefox soon enough04:15
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MarkrianIt's still a couple of weeks before release as well, so Firefox 1.0.2 might make it in as well04:16
tritiumMarkrian, it's in now04:16
Nekohayoyeah, just appeared today04:16
WillySillywhere are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?04:16
Coilytritium, im still using warty, im assuming the hoary package will be safe for me04:16
Nekohayosay, has anyone seen wine in the hoary repositories? mine disappeared, still stuck with the one from warty04:17
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Markriantritium, they do work fast, don't they04:17
jordanauanybody here use vsftpd???04:17
tritiumMarkrian, yep04:17
MarkrianCoily, why bother?04:17
CoilyMarkrian, what do you mean04:17
CoilyMarkrian, er, why bother with what?04:17
MarkrianCoily, Hoary will be released in two weeks, just wait for that and then you can upgrade all your pacakges04:18
tritiumCoily, it'll pull in a bunch of Hoary packages if you install it04:18
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King_Crimsoni need serious help04:18
Coilytritium, ok well damn it's either the unsafe 1.0 or the performance failure 1.0.104:18
Nekohayooh too bad, I wanted to do funny helping04:18
geneo93gun shot wound04:18
King_Crimsonlol04:19
King_Crimsonwell04:19
Nekohayowhat's the matter?04:19
Nekohayo(problem, I mean)04:19
King_Crimsoni tried installing ubuntu and creating a partiion04:19
King_Crimsonbut04:19
King_Crimsonit wont let me change the partition04:19
King_Crimsonlike i click on partition #1. and i change the size, but it wont change04:19
King_Crimsonit just stays at 40gb04:19
Nekohayoyou have to do "write"04:19
jordanaudont you have to clear the partition04:19
Nekohayoit doesn't change anything until you tell it to do so04:19
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crimsunCoily: warty or hoary?04:20
King_Crimsoni dod press tha04:20
King_Crimsoni did do write04:20
Coilycrimsun, warty, i wouldnt have these problems if i was using hoary =[04:20
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King_Crimsoni have hoary04:20
Nekohayohm, then like jordanau said, did you try clearing it?04:20
crimsunCoily: why not dist-upgrade to Hoary?04:20
King_Crimsondud i have windows on there i cnat delete it04:20
Nekohayocleaning the linux partition04:21
King_Crimsoni dont have one04:21
Nekohayo..........WELL04:21
King_Crimsoni only have 104:21
NekohayoXD how do you want linux to install on top of windows?04:21
Coilycrimsun, i havea feeling this question has been answered a million times before but: is it seemless or should i consider a new partition?04:21
WillySillywhere are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?04:21
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: sounds like you ar trying to resize an ntfs partition - right?04:21
King_Crimsonwell i wanted to make the windows partition04:21
King_Crimsonyeah04:21
King_Crimsonexactly04:21
crimsunCoily: seamless.04:22
Nekohayoheh, I'll leave you in thoreauputic's more skilled hands ;)04:22
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King_Crimsonok04:22
MarkrianCoily, I believe Ubuntu back port fixes to firefox04:22
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: do you have Partition Magic?04:22
King_Crimsonumm no04:22
Nekohayoanyone seen wine in hoary repositories?04:22
tritiumNekohayo, yes04:23
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: ntfs resizing is kind of tricky04:23
WillySillyconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check04:23
King_Crimsony is that04:23
Nekohayotritium, is it a special repo? I'm stuck with my warty version04:23
jordanauany of you use vsftpd04:23
jordanau??04:23
tritiumNekohayo, it's in universe.  There's also winehq.com04:23
Nekohayonope sorry04:23
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CoilyMarkrian, not for warty...04:23
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: I think the qtparted program can do it - if you have a knoppix disc it's on that04:23
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MarkrianCoily, what do you mean?04:24
King_Crimsonumm04:24
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: also Win XP tends to have unmovable crufy at the end of its partition04:24
King_Crimsoni have the ubuntu live cd04:24
thoreauputic*cruft04:24
CoilyMarkrian, the warty backports does not have upgrades to firefox04:24
King_Crimsonso ur saying i cant have linux = wndows?04:25
King_Crimson*+04:25
jordanauyes you can04:25
tritiumKing_Crimson, not in the same partition, though04:25
King_Crimsono04:25
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: no, I'm not saying that04:25
jordanaui am dual booting right now04:25
King_Crimsonyeah i no not in the same partition04:25
Nekohayotritium, oooh I just found out my problem while looking at the versions! the current hoary is a 2004xx xx, and mine is likely a warty backport (2005 11 11)... however, I thought I had kicked off the backports when I did my dist ugprade ?_? (I followed a guide about this)... so hoary backports are used for this, or I have to wait for an update here?04:25
jordanauright04:25
King_Crimsoni just wanna no how to dual boot04:25
Coilyjordanau, omgomg M$04:25
jordanauhaha half life 2 man sorry04:25
Coilyjordanau, haha same reason here ='[04:26
tritiumNekohayo, I've never touched backports.  You should uninstall it and install the Hoary version if you're in Hoary now.04:26
jordanaui am not going to spend 5 dollars more a month for not 100% support in cedega04:26
MarkrianWell, I don't mean backports, just security fixes. Fixes of later versions are applied to current apps04:26
jordanauplus i spent 100 dollars on windows, i can;t just throw it away :-)04:27
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Nekohayotritium, but it does work for now however... is hoary still stuck with the 2004 12 01 version? might not be worth the downgrade04:27
jordanauking krimson04:27
Coilythe only times ive booted into xp was to either apply security upgrades or for directx progs04:27
King_Crimsonwut04:27
jordanauKing_Crimson, how big is your hard drive?04:27
MarkrianPeople still buy Windows? :04:27
tritiumNekohayo, yes, that's the current version in Hoary04:27
Markrianp04:27
King_Crimson40 gb04:28
King_Crimsonbut realy 37.504:28
tezzais the latest kernel for hoary the 2.6.10 one?04:28
King_Crimsonor something, 37. something04:28
tritiumyes04:28
jordanauis it filled up?04:28
King_Crimson.204:28
Nekohayotritium, thanks04:28
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King_Crimsonno i have 4.10 gb left04:28
tritiumNekohayo, there are newer ones on the way soon04:28
jordanauthat not gonna be alot...04:29
jordanaui personally would do this...04:29
King_Crimsonyeah i no that the comps almost 5 years old04:29
King_Crimsonyeah i no removable hd04:29
jordanauI would reforman and reinstall windows04:29
tomcatHey all, I'm trying to get the spca5xx driver onto a new ubuntu install... new linux user here and Im stuck with the tar.gz file downloaded...04:29
jordanau*reformat04:29
thoreauputicKing_Crimson: that's enough to install ubuntu - but you'll only have about 2gigs space left04:29
tritiumKing_Crimson, s/no/know ;)04:29
tomcatWhat's the command to extract tar.gz?04:29
King_Crimsonthats ok04:30
tritiumtar zxvf file.tar.gz04:30
thoreauputictomcat: tar xvzf <file>04:30
King_Crimsoni dunt mind04:30
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steven123Hi04:30
Nekohayotritium, cool ;) and do you have an idea if we'll be able to test the scary xorg eyecandy (front page currently on osnews.com) ?04:30
tomcattanks guys!04:30
steven123I just recieved my order of unbuntu cd(s)04:30
steven123and i wwant to switch over to Unbuntu04:30
tritiumNekohayo, I haven't seen it.  What is it?04:30
steven123what games can i play on ubuntu. I play CS, HL2, Steam, Americas army,04:30
jordanauwhat windows version??04:30
Nekohayotritium, go take a look, well I find that scary.. first time I see this :) wobbling windows04:30
steven123Can i play these in Ubuntu04:30
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King_Crimsonxp04:31
jordanausteven123, all of them but you will need cedega04:31
steven123FreE?04:31
steven123Or Pay04:31
jordanaupay04:31
King_Crimsonso wat do i do?04:31
jordanau$5 per month04:31
NekohayoSteveA_, america's army has a linux version too04:31
steven123ok04:31
steven123cedege nevermind04:31
steven123i found a torrent04:31
steven123lol ok04:31
steven123How about Media04:31
Nekohayomedia?04:32
steven123Yes04:32
geneo93King_Crimson:  find a bootleg copy of PM04:32
steven123.WMV files04:32
jordanauKing_Crimson, fdisk and create a windows partition and then install windows04:32
steven123Can i install WIndows media player 10 in Ubuntu04:32
jordanauKing_Crimson, can you do that?04:32
King_Crimsonwat04:32
Nekohayotritium, it's about Luminocity window manager & Cairo04:32
tritiumNekohayo, ok04:32
King_Crimsonjordanau: u have aim?04:32
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thoreauputicsteven123: um..no04:32
Grexowhen will the new ubuntu website design be live? :)04:32
steven123Then how i watch stuff?04:32
jordanauno04:32
King_Crimsono04:32
King_Crimsonwell04:32
King_Crimsonhow do i fdisk04:32
steven123How do i burn a DVD /backit up in Ubuntu?04:32
King_Crimsoni dunt wanna delete all the stuff on my hard drive04:33
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Nekohayosteven123, you don't need windows software for everything04:33
King_Crimsoni just wanna resize the windows partition04:33
jordanauKing_Crimson, join this room #jordanau04:33
arnonwhat's ubuntu? some kind of bleeding edge version for debian ?04:33
Nekohayothere are LOTS of differents apps for every tastes04:33
King_Crimsonyes04:33
thoreauputicsteven123: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats << how to get wmv working04:33
skorahehe...04:33
Roey*04:33
Roeyer04:33
Roeyyes04:33
Roey*.04:33
Roeyheh, sorry:04:34
steven123ok04:34
skorastevie, there's different ways of playing media, different programs.04:34
Roeyhow do I get rid of evms managing a device?  I don't want evms managing /boot.04:34
skoralinux = lots of choices04:34
Roey(I selected something right as the text scrolled by)04:34
steven123What do i sacrifice if i move to Ubuntu?04:34
robstersteven123: only 3 goats.04:34
steven123what?04:35
thoreauputicsteven123: depends what you want/need to do04:35
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steven123So if i move to ubuntu i can still play games and stufF?04:35
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steven123well i'm just a 13 year old, doing Homework, Games, and Chatting04:35
steven123ubuntu good idea?04:36
King_Crimsonyes04:36
thoreauputicsteven123: homework=yes chatting=yes games= mostly04:36
alainmyes04:36
King_Crimsonit comes with openoffice, firefox, and gimp04:36
madelsteven123, yes, with GNU/linux you can do almost anything, and ubuntu is very user-friendly to make the change04:36
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steven123Alright GOODY!04:36
Nekohayosteven123, only if you are really enthousiastic and have spare time to work on your issues ;)04:36
steven123How about Virus/Adware/Spyware/Shit/Popups?04:36
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alainma thing of the past04:37
Nekohayosteven123, none for now04:37
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steven123ok04:37
steven123Is Ubuntu the "best" idea?04:37
thoreauputicsteven123: you need to do some research and reading - use the search function on ubuntulinux.org04:37
alainmi love it..04:37
steven123he he i know i'm just fooking around04:37
Nekohayothere's no such thing as "best" :)04:37
steven123anyway04:37
Ycrosthat depends on your definition of best04:37
madelsteven123,  there are no virus/spyware...in GNU/Linux04:37
Nekohayomaybe... "less suckier" XD?04:37
steven123So Ubuntu based oN Debian... Are their any good Debian Software04:37
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Nekohayomadel, for now.04:37
Coilyim having problems finding the firefox 1.0.2 (or 1.0.1) warty backport, can someone give me the repository?04:37
steven123wondering04:37
steven123there is DEBIAN software?04:38
Nekohayowhat do you mean?04:38
crimsunsteven123: look in universe and multiverse04:38
steven123Debian popular?04:38
thoreauputicsteven123: there are thousands of software choices04:38
Coilyanyone?04:38
Nekohayonot only debian-specific04:38
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steven123so then04:38
steven123i can't say04:38
steven123use Mandarke 10.1 Software on DEbian?04:38
cleit0nalguem fala portugues?04:38
Nekohayosteven123,04:39
geneo93steven123:  some04:39
skorasteve, all the linux software is based on the source.04:39
thoreauputicsteven123: you don't need to - the same stuff is available for Ubuntu04:39
Nekohayosomething you must understand04:39
Nekohayosoftware is not LOCKED into a distro04:39
BockBilbocleit0n, #ubuntu-pt04:39
Coilyrepeating:04:39
BockBilbo;)04:39
Coilyim having problems finding the firefox 1.0.2 (or 1.0.1) warty backport, can someone give me the repository?04:39
skorahowever, the source can be packaged in different ways: RPM, DEB, etc.04:39
steven123Ok guys04:39
NekohayoCoily, tried ubuntuguide.com?04:39
steven123Last Question04:39
skorak04:39
YomicWhy do I have to install so many libraries to install this one program *_*. This is pissing me off >_<04:39
Nekohayo.org, sorry04:40
steven123CAn i burn DVD or make copies in Unbuntu?04:40
Yomic(Prog is parted)04:40
Nekohayoyes04:40
skoradon't worry steve, i was in your position a few years ago.04:40
CoilyNekohayo, yup, i have all the repositories there added04:40
thoreauputicCoily: is there a burning reason to need it? the wrty firefox has security patches, you know04:40
Nekohayoyou can do anything that another os does04:40
steven123CAn i burn DVD or make copies in Unbuntu?04:40
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Nekohayosteven123, you can do anything that another os does04:40
Yomicsteven: Stop repeating yourself; and yes, you can >_<04:40
Nekohayodoing some research for which app you prefer04:40
Coilythoreauputic, the burning reason i need it is because of the security patches...04:40
steven123ok04:40
steven123so if i installk ubuntu04:40
steven123i can burn dvd right away download software04:41
Nekohayosteven123, TRY THE LIVECD!04:41
steven123i did04:41
thoreauputicCoily: well, warty has updated security on firefox04:41
steven123well OK i'll use it he he04:41
tritiumsteven123, you're doing a lot of repeating04:41
thoreauputicCoily: just not the version as such04:41
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Coilythoreauputic, youre saying the gif exploits are patched in warty?04:41
jordanauany vsftpd users here?04:41
Coilythoreauputic, and the javascript exploits...04:42
steven123i worry a lot04:42
Nekohayosteven123, everything has a reason, if it doesn't work out of the box, search in the forums or something04:42
steven123Anyway04:42
steven123i going to give this ubuntu a try04:42
bung__i AM going.04:42
thoreauputicCoily: I don't know the specifics - but firefox, like all other warty apps, gets security updates04:42
bung__GET security update04:42
bung__s04:42
bung___04:42
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bung__wait, ignore me.04:43
steven123i reading Ubuntu Review04:43
steven123bad scores04:43
steven1235 comign out son04:43
Coilythoreauputic, well 1.0.2 was released today so...04:43
steven123I GOTTA ORDER04:43
bung__I hate alcholol04:43
bung__just like I hate your face04:43
thoreauputicsteven123: in the end, you have to make up your own mind04:43
steven123bah ok guys04:44
Coilyi realy just need to find the wart backports repository04:44
steven123HMm cedega04:44
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Coilywarty04:44
steven123i come back after installing04:44
thoreauputicCoily: have you done an update/upgrade today? if firefox is included, the patch has been applied04:44
tezzawhat package do i need if i want to recompile the ubuntu kernel ?04:44
Coilythoreauputic, just did a minute ago04:44
Ghostfacekillamy Ubuntu seems happy right now04:45
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YomicIs there a package download that I missed somewhere that prevents me from having to download all these libs to install this one single program?04:45
thoreauputicCoily: I think you are worrying unduly for no real reason, frankly04:45
tezzayo hmms04:45
Coilythe 1.0.1 backports package was released ON MARCH 15, i had to go through debian to get the package04:45
steven123FUCKING AWEsome04:45
steven123opps.. sorry for the bad word.04:46
steven123found a guide that answered my questions04:46
tritiumYomic, are you using apt-get to install it?04:46
steven123GOODY04:46
Coilyeven though jdong, from the ubuntuforums, said he released it for warty i can not find it04:46
steven123thank u guys04:46
YomicNo, I'm using ./conigure04:46
tritiumCoily, don't panic.04:46
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thoreauputicCoily: I think you may be confusing versions with updates ?04:46
Yomic.configure *04:46
tritiumYomic, if you compile your own software, you have to install the libraries you need.04:47
Yomic:/04:47
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typoshould I use polypaudio?04:48
tritiumYomic, if you get the ubuntu source package, it's easy with apt-get build-dep04:48
Coilywell here's the facts: a package for firefox 1.0.1 has been released, i can not find the package using apt-get update04:48
Coilyid like to know what repository i must add04:48
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tritiumYomic, if you're not using an ubuntu source package, then your'e not tied into apt, and you have to get the build-dependencies yourself04:48
thoreauputicCoily: of course not - the warty version is like 0.93 - but it gets patches for secuity issues04:48
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eyequeuei thought warty-backports was closed now.  i just got 8 pacakges from warty-backports !04:49
eyequeueany ideas why?04:49
bung__it hates you04:49
tritiumCoily, your concern seems to warrant dist-upgrading to Hoary.04:49
LeeJunFanwhat does restricted mean in /etc/apt/sources.list?04:50
YomicI see; thanks.04:50
bung__isn't restricted non-free or something?04:50
Coilyhmm04:50
eyequeueCoily:  Get:8 http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/main mozilla-firefox 1.0.1-2ubuntu1~4.10ubp1 [9374kB] 04:50
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tritiumLeeJunFan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view04:50
Coilyeyequeue, thank you that was what i was looking for04:50
eyequeueCoily:  meaning it's available in warty-backports, if you choose not to go to hoary at present04:50
Coilya direct answer to my question wow04:50
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tritiumCoily, backports are not recommended.  They will make upgrading to Hoary a PITA04:51
mellohow do i install the latest nvidia drivers?04:51
eyequeueCoily:  see https://ubuntulinux.oorg/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu :)04:51
Coilytritium, i see04:51
eyequeuetritium:  allegedly that's no longer the case (numbering changes?)04:51
LeeJunFantritium: doh... thanks.. I was thinking it was an arg. I forgot there could be more than one src on a line.04:51
thoreauputicCoily: you got direct anwers - they just weren't what you wanted to hear04:51
tritiumLeeJunFan, :)04:51
tritiumeyequeue, it's still the case04:52
jordanauguys i am pretty stuck here04:52
eyequeuetritium:  in any case, there's a "back out of backports" method right at the top of the forum about it, right?04:52
tritiumeyequeue, no idea.  I don't touch backports04:52
eyequeuetritium:  all of the forum posts i've read about it seemed to indicate that the dpkg in hoary handles numbering differently now? (hence no longer is an issue)04:53
jordanauI am running vsftpd and have an ftp server up and running, unfortunately, i can't find where the folder where my ftp stuff is located04:53
Coilyi should point out that i already did the unrecommended 'installing mozilla.org's tar.gz', so i may already be looking at these problems04:53
tritiumeyequeue, the problems are more complicated than just version numbers04:53
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|QuaD-jordanau: i don't have vsftpd on my comp, but did you check the config file?04:55
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jordanauyeah i cant find anything04:56
jordanau|QuaD-,04:56
thoreauputicCoily: if you installed the tar.gz to your home dir or /usr/local or sinilar, you should be OK04:56
geneo93maybe we need split channel one for hoary and one for warty04:56
|QuaD-jordanau: another thing you can do if you REALLY can't find a config file, is upload something to is, sudo updatedb, locate *filename*04:56
Coilythoreauputic, whew, ive gotten semi-used to breaking linux installs but avoiding them is nice04:57
jordanauno i have found the config file okay04:57
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madelhi there...04:57
|QuaD-jordanau: its gotta be in there04:57
|QuaD-if you want to post it online somewhere, i can take a look04:57
madelwhat is the equivalent to do a rpm -ql  in debian/ubuntu04:57
jordanaui have an idea04:58
Grexowoah04:58
jordanau join this chat #jordanau04:58
Grexono more electricity bills04:58
Grexofree energy is real04:58
|QuaD-jordanau: put it ina pastebin04:58
Grexo:)04:58
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Grexoubuntu on a computer running free energy :-)04:58
LinuxNITcan you get xfce4 in ubuntu?04:58
Grexoamazing04:58
thoreauputicmadel: what did you want to do? tell us that and we can give you a command, probably ( not many here would be familiar with rpm)05:00
jordanaupastebin?05:00
madelthoreauputic, I did a apt-get install  quake2, but now want to know what files did that command install05:01
bung__dpkg -L quake205:01
bung__presumably05:01
eyequeuemadel:  dpkg -L quake205:02
eyequeueer, yeah :)05:02
jordanau|QuaD-, I got it fixed thank you for your help,05:02
|QuaD-np05:03
jordanauhow would i link all of my music files from /media/windows to /home/ftp ??05:03
jordanauthat way people could read them from ftp and i won't have to waste diskspace copying them to a whole new folder05:04
|QuaD-ln -s05:04
thoreauputicln -s /media/windows  /home/ftp  presumably05:05
eyequeuewill all ftpds honour a symlink?05:05
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eyequeueor will he need o check some config file?  (i don't run any ftps, just know symlinks can be an issue elsewhere)05:05
|QuaD-eyequeue: my guess is its a line in the config05:06
bung__eww ftp05:06
Desolateumm, would anyone happen to know why I don't have X11 in /etc/?05:06
bung__you're on crack!05:06
jordanaueyequeue, we will find out in a minute and i will be sure to let you know :-)05:06
thoreauputicDesolate: you don't have an X server installed?05:07
Desolatewhy wouldn't I?05:07
DesolateI don't recall even messing with that in the ubuntu install05:07
bung__yep05:07
bung__crack05:07
eyequeueDesolate:  warty of hoary?05:07
thoreauputicDesolate: well, if X is running, you most definitely have X11 in /etc05:08
eyequeueDesolate:  warty oR hoary?05:08
thoreauputiceyequeue: either way, he would have an X11 dir in /etc05:08
eyequeueDesolate:  apt-get install xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if on hoary)05:09
bung__...unless he's on crack...05:09
Desolateoh, I'm running it on Virtual PC btw05:09
eyequeuethoreauputic:  i'm not usre he is though, he's on mirc to get here05:09
bung__I think you're taking this crack problem of his a bit lightly05:09
thoreauputicDesolate: that's an upper case X, BTW05:09
Desolatewarty btw05:10
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jordanauThe folder "Music" linked and showed up on my server but i get a 550 failed to change directory05:10
thoreauputicDesolate:  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is probably what you're looking for05:10
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|QuaD-jordanau: make sure permissions are right05:11
Desolateyes except I don't have X11 :p05:11
typoshould I use apache or apache2?05:11
DesolateI'll try apt-get install xserver-xfree8605:11
eyequeueDesolate:  sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree8605:11
jediwith all these lovely kernel updates, my grub boot list is growing quite long. If i edit menu.lst it will just be regenerated next time another kernel update occurs... how would i go about remove these older kernels?05:11
typophp4 seams to drag apache2 along05:11
thoreauputicDesolate: not possible unless you have no xserver installed05:11
Fackamato:o05:11
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geneo93Desolate:  in terminal type cd /etc/X1105:11
eyequeueDesolate:  that command will likely bring in a number of other pacakges, if you really don't have that dir05:11
Desolatewhich is, I guess, what the case is then, thoreauputic05:11
jordanau|QuaD-, is the permission created when linking?05:11
eyequeuetypo:  apache2 is the "default" in ubuntu from what i've encountered05:12
Desolatealright eyequeue, I'll try it05:12
thoreauputicDesolate: in which case you would be staring at a prompt on tty105:12
|QuaD-jordanau: make sure the link and the actuall folder (and files) are atleast read only to everyone05:12
jordanaumay i ask how to check that?05:12
eyequeueDesolate:  are you a previous linux user?05:12
Desolatenope05:12
|QuaD-ls -l05:12
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Desolatethis is wierd05:13
Desolate"xserver-xfree86 is already the newest version"05:13
jordanaudrwxrwxrwx that is the windows directory05:13
jordanauso we are okay05:13
jordanauhow do i check the link?05:13
|QuaD-got to the directory, ls-l05:14
thoreauputicDesolate: umm... you are making some kind of mistake then - /etc/X11 *must* be there05:14
|QuaD-* ls -l05:14
eyequeueDesolate:  okay, if you have a graphical user intferface (icons, mouse, etc) then you have X11 running, and hence that directory .... and if you don't know linux from elsewhere, i suspect you would not be comfortable at a commandline ... so, i'm unclear05:14
Coilysince i installed mozilla's 1.0 tar.gz, will i need to do anything extra before upgrading to hoary?05:14
Desolateeyequeue: I need it to config Virtual PC to 16bit depth05:14
Desolateinstead of 24, which it does not support05:14
eyequeueDesolate:  as has already been mentioned, i'll repeat:  it is   /etc/X11/   not   /etc/x11/05:14
thoreauputicCoily: where did you install it? and did you make any symlinks ?05:15
Desolateaha05:15
Desolatehehe, ok that solved it :P05:15
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DesolateI feel stupid now, thanks :D05:15
thoreauputicDesolate: I told you that about 10 minutes ago05:15
Desolatesorry, I didn't see it05:15
Desolatehad 4 people talking to me at once :p05:16
Coilythoreauputic, my home dir. i only made a link to the executable05:16
thoreauputicCoily: should be fine then05:16
jordanau|QuaD-, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     nogroup        21 2005-03-23 22:08 Music -> /media/windows/Music/05:16
jordanauthat is the link05:16
|QuaD-jordanau: and it still doesn't work?05:16
thoreauputicCoily: it won't affect your apt stuff - it's independent05:16
jordanauyou want to try05:16
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Coilythoreauputic, gotcha05:17
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eyequeueDesolate:  99% of linux is uppercase, you just stumbled across an exception :)  that said, it is always case-*sensitive* :)05:17
|QuaD-jordanau: i trust you... did you look in the config file?05:17
Desolateah, well thanks05:17
DesolateI'm a total linux noob :P05:17
jordanau|QuaD-, for info on linking?05:17
Coilythoreauputic, should i just try the same thing with mozilla's 1.0.2? if i dont want to upgrade to hoary that is05:17
thoreauputiceyequeue: heh - I think you meant "lower case" ?05:17
|QuaD-jordanau: yeah05:17
jordanaulet me check05:17
eyequeueDesolate:  ugh, retract that ... 99% of linux is *lower*case, heh05:17
thoreauputicCoily: you can do that, sure05:18
eyequeuethoreauputic:  yeah thanks, i caught it after i sent it ... no need to confuse him further, eh? :)05:18
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karstenwhat's the supported upgrade path from Debian woody = Ubuntu?  Hoary or Warty?05:18
geneo93sarge05:19
typohumm, I installed in english and then told it I was in portugal. It added en_PT to the locale which drives perl nuts. Is this a bug?05:19
thoreauputickarsten: there isn't a "supported" path, AFAIK :)05:19
eyequeuekarsten:  at this point, for a week or so, i'd say warty is more likely, even though it's not officially supported05:19
karstenthoreauputic: IIRC there was an item on the Wiki about it.05:20
thoreauputickarsten: hmm... OK... I guess it's possible - as far as I know, it's not encouraged ;)05:20
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eyequeuekarsten:  as a point of interest, i can say i saw someone in here yesterday who had problems because he upgraded from sid to warty, and an ubuntu pacakge version didn't get upgraded, and he got bit (sid's version was missing a file that ubuntus version had, and some other package needed that)05:21
eyequeuekarsten:  sheesh, he went from sid to hoary, sorry05:21
thoreauputickarsten: but if you're the karsten I'm thinking you are, you will know how to avoid the pitfalls05:21
eyequeuewhat's with me tonight?05:21
karstenthoreauputic: Got someone trying an Debian install w/ ls-120 superdisk, floppy, various rootfs issues.  My recommendation is to either put the HD in another system or another system's CD in this one.05:21
karstenthoreauputic: I can.  The n00b I'm assisting may not ;-)05:22
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thoreauputickarsten: :)05:22
giardhi all05:22
karsteneyequeue: <shudder>05:22
giard:)05:22
giardhas anyone had any problems with apache2 recently?05:22
eyequeuei'd suggest heading to stable, then making the step up if you want :)05:22
jdubkarsten: there's no *supported* upgrade path from woody, but either warty or hoary should work ok (helps if whoever's doing it is comfortable with big debian upgrades)05:22
karstenthoreauputic: Yo're you IRL?05:22
giardrecent updates seems to be giving me trouble with php4 and mysql05:22
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karstenthoreauputic: s/Yo/who/05:22
eyequeuegiard:  the warty version has been working for me here05:23
karstenjdub: Thanks.05:23
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jordanau|QuaD-, i don't see anything in the manpages of the confiq file under symbolic links or links05:23
giardeyequeue: cool05:23
karstenjdub: gnome is f*cke seven ways from sunday, BTW.05:23
giardanyone using hoary?05:23
thoreauputickarsten: sorry I lost you there ?05:23
eyequeuegiard:  "recent updates" implies you may be on hoary though, and i can't speak to that05:23
Fackamato<- hairy hoary05:23
typopt_PT.UTF-8@euro isn't generated although it is selected as LC_CTYPE05:23
karstenthoreauputic: Where do I know you from?05:24
karstenthoreauputic: ...or vice versa.05:24
thoreauputickarsten: a /whois tells me who you are and I've red some of your stuff :)05:24
thoreauputic8read05:24
thoreauputichaha05:24
thoreauputic*read05:24
NormDgiard: I've installed the pre-release from cd and upgraded from there.05:24
karstenthoreauputic: OK.05:24
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giardwhen I try to call mysql_connect, the php page dies with "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in..."05:25
karstenthoreauputic: I get that a lot ;-)05:25
NormDerr..."updated", I suppose is more accurate.05:25
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giardit only seems to not work recently05:25
eyequeuekarsten:  run in fear, even i seem to recognize your name from somewhere, you're infamous :)  (though i just associate it with debian, nothing specific)05:25
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karsteneyequeue: That seems to be my problem.  My name is associated with nothing specific.05:26
giardcould it be something having to do with installing phpmyadmin?05:26
andrewskianyone have periodic freezes?05:26
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eyequeuelol., no, it's that i'm not heavily immersed, though i guess i'd associate branden with x, things like that, i don't know any of the majority of the faces and their contributions05:27
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jordanauthoreauputic, would the following command help with my problem??? mount --bind /path/you/want/to/include /path/to/vsftpd/docroot/subdir05:27
karstenthoreauputic: Wrote the book, kthx05:27
thoreauputickarsten: hehe05:27
karstenandrewski: How's your swap situation?05:27
giardnevermind05:28
giardsigh05:28
andrewskikarsten: none used (at present), don't know about when it freezes, but i have a gig...05:28
giardI figured it out05:28
giardthanks05:28
thoreauputicjordanau: to be totally honest , I haven't a clue05:28
jordanauactually better question, can i hurt anything doing that?05:28
YomicHow can I put short-cuts in my Applications -> Subgroup?05:28
karstenandrewski: ...and what's freezing.  Whole desktop?  Whole system?  Specific apps?05:28
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andrewskikarsten: mpd still plays, grip still rips, mouse moves, but nothing responds and i can't ctrl+alt+f1 to the CLI.05:29
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akkandrewski: Keyboard lockup, possibly?05:31
eyequeueYomic:  shortcuts?05:31
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andrewskiakk: no, the mouse doesn't respond either, just moves.05:31
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akkUSB keyboard and mouse?  I wonder if a USB lockup could cause mouse clicks to fail while mouse movement worked?05:32
eyequeueYomic:  if you mean a launcher, i can tell you how in warty, but i'm told it's different in hoary05:33
eyequeueYomic:  which are you running?05:33
akkWe have a machine that periodically gets usb lockup (keyboard stops working, so does the PDA cradle; no mouse, it's a server).05:33
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andrewskiakk: usb mouse.05:34
andrewskiakk: but it still tracks when it freezes. :)05:34
arc_does anyone knows why gnome-cups-manager package has the smb browsing deactivated?05:35
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Inva|idI am trying to find the kernel header files to install the spca5xx driver, but I don't see any for my kernel : 2.6.10-4-38605:35
Inva|idany suggestions?05:35
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eyequeuearc_:  wild guess, do you ave full smb support installed?  (i know nothing of it personally)05:36
arc_eyequeue: yes, that's not the problem05:36
eyequeuearc_:  at a minimum it would need botht the libraries and the tools pacakges05:36
benjiehey, rhythmbox is crashing when I try to load it in ubuntu, anyone know how to solve this?05:37
arc_eyequeue: both libsmbclient and smbclient installed05:37
akkandrewski: Do you have another machine, so you could telnet/ssh in and poke around, see if the machine is responding to the net?05:37
arc_eyequeue: I think that the package is not compiled to support that05:37
eyequeuearc_:  okay, since i have neither a printer nor smb here, i have no further ideas, good luck05:37
andrewskiakk: i could set it up to do that next time it freezes.  should i look at top?05:37
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arc_eyequeue: thanks05:38
eyequeuei do wish this laptop had a parallel port though, seems odd to have no option to print05:38
arc_hum05:38
Cube-nessOk.. weird.. Is there some weird networking issue lately? suddenly a lot of networky apps dont work.. like not being able to bind 127.0.0.1 and such.. and WHAT is sit0?05:38
arc_eyequeue no usb port either?05:38
jordanauthoreauputic, that mount i just made, I need to change the permissions how do i do that?05:39
eyequeuearc_:  i have 4 of those, heh05:39
Yomiceyequeue: warty05:39
arc_eyequeue: there are usb printers :)05:39
thoreauputicjordanau: chmod05:39
eyequeueYomic:  okay, step one, Applcations > run application05:39
thoreauputicjordanau: or chown for ownership05:39
akkandrewski: If you can get in, that tells you something (kernel is okay).  Then I might look at dmesg,05:39
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andrewskiakk: to check for hw?05:39
eyequeueYomic:  in the dialog box that popos up, type "applications:///" and yes that's a tripe slash :)05:39
akkandrewski: or maybe try other usb stuff (plug in an external storage device or a second mouse or something).05:39
oggb4mp3Is there a way to change the size of the GNOME system font?  I have changed all font sizes to 8pt in font configuration, but menu and othe stuff is still big05:40
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oggb4mp3like 12 pt05:40
eyequeueYomic:  browse through the gui to the subdir you want to be in, and then select "new launcher" or similar phrase05:40
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oggb4mp3I have been all through gconf looking for a setting05:40
oggb4mp3to no avail05:40
andrewskiakk: seems like it could be X, since my music daemon keeps running.05:40
eyequeueYomic:  the rest should be self-evident, but ask if confused05:40
YomicOkay, thanks :)05:40
helio7hey all; i'm trying to get quicktime to work as a plugin through firefox, and one step in the process is deleting "~/.mozilla//pluginreg.dat" where is that?  Any idea why there are two slashes?05:41
akkandrewski: Oh, could be.  I was thinking ctl-alt-Fn failing meant it wasn't X, but maybe X locks up the kbd and won't let those events get to the kernel.05:41
eyequeueYomic:  i'm told "applications:///" went away in gnome 2.10 (==hoary) so add what you want to the menus now? heh05:41
andrewskiakk: dunno.  we'll see next time. :)05:41
Yomic;)05:41
eyequeueanyone here know what the hoary equivalent is?05:41
thoreauputiceyequeue: there isn't one05:42
jordanauthoreauputic, i am a lttle confused, i am reading the help file, i ran mount --bind /media/windows /home/ftp what would i do to change to read only?05:42
andrewskieyequeue: hoary == hoary :)05:42
eyequeuethoreauputic:  how do we get launchers added to the submenus?05:42
eyequeueandrewski:  ah thanks, i was hoping it wouldn't be too hard, lol05:42
thoreauputiceyequeue: amaranth has written a python app to do it05:43
andrewskieyequeue: do you mean the next unstable thing after hoary is stable?05:43
thoreauputiceyequeue: it's on the forums somewhere - don't have a URl handy05:43
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eyequeueandrewski:  no, read my line above the one you answered :)  i'm looking to add to hoary menus05:43
Amarantheyequeue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139005:43
andrewskieyequeue: whoops, too many channels. :)05:44
helio7where is ~/.mozilla//pluginreg.dat ?05:44
eyequeuethoreauputic:  that's fine, i'm not on hoary yet, just thought it could be useful in doing support05:44
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typois "Add/Remove Programs" going to get a better list of programs?05:44
thoreauputicjordanau: read only is 444 but you probably don't want that05:44
eyequeueit does seem weird that gnome would remove that functionality and someone outside would need to write an app to accomplish it though05:44
jordanauyes i want read only05:45
thoreauputicjordanau: it depends what you need05:45
jordanauvsftpd wont run with the mount i created as write05:45
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markybobwho do i change the icon nautilus uses for specific file types?  not just a single file, but all files with such an extension?05:45
thoreauputicjordanau: chmod 755 is full access, read and execute for group and owner, for instance05:45
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eyequeueread-only because it's an ntfs partition perhaps?  i'd say mount it read-only and don't worry about the perms05:45
thoreauputicsorry for group and others05:45
jordanaubut no write correct?05:46
typoanyone know?05:46
thoreauputicjordanau:  4=read 1= execute05:46
thoreauputic2=write05:46
thoreauputichence 5= read + execute05:47
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giardI take that back05:47
giardI can't get any php modules to load05:47
giardphp itself works fine05:47
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giardbut trying to use an addon like the mysql plugin or the mhash one doesn't work05:47
eyequeuethoreauputic:  if it's a mount point he needs, talk him through traversal/"execute" :)  i seem to lack communication skills tonight05:47
Yomiceyequeue: I can't seem to find anything similar to 'new launcher'05:47
giardand I just reinstalled everything fresh05:47
eyequeueYomic:  okay, hang on, let me get where you are05:48
jordanauso to change the mount permisson (i need to read up on this stuff) chmod 755 in the directory05:48
mconbereI just installed hoary, I'm trying to get nvidia drivers running, but I need the older version (6111) which doesn't show up on synaptic.  How do I get the older drivers to be avialable?05:48
YomicI'm in the folder with the application I want linked.05:48
eyequeueYomic:  you're in the subdirectory/submenu that you want?05:48
thoreauputicjordanau: not *in* the dir - you specify the dir after the chmod command05:49
YomicYes.05:49
eyequeueYomic:  don't go to the /usr/bin type place, go to the applications/internet type place05:49
eyequeueYomic:  there now?05:49
YomicYes.05:49
YomicI see now.05:49
thoreauputicjordanau: but yes, I suggest you read a bit about hmod/chown05:49
YomicThanks.05:49
thoreauputic*chmod05:49
Yomic;P05:49
eyequeueYomic:  menu file, item "create launcher"05:49
thoreauputicjordanau: to change ownership recursively, for instance, use chown -r group:user05:51
jordanaujordan@JordanUbuntu:/home/ftp $ chmod /home/ftp/ 75505:51
jordanauchmod: invalid mode string: `/home/ftp/'05:51
jordanauthis is a mount by the way05:51
eyequeue1 2 3 >--> 1 3 205:51
thoreauputicjordanau: chmod 755 /path/dir05:51
jordanauhaha05:52
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jordanaujordan@JordanUbuntu:/home/ftp $ sudo chmod 755 /home/ftp05:52
jordanauPassword:05:52
jordanaujordan@JordanUbuntu:/home/ftp $05:52
jordanau:-)05:52
thoreauputicjordanau: done :)05:53
tomcathey all, I'm trying to compile a module I'll need for a webcam I've got here, and I'm getting an error...05:53
jordanauPerfect My FTP server works perfectly,05:53
thoreauputicjordanau: silence is golden in *nix ;)05:53
tomcatmake -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/tomcat/Desktop/spca5xx-20050319 modules05:53
tomcat/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found05:53
jordanauAlthough i am sure it is as insecure as hell05:53
eyequeuetomcat:  common.  apt-get install build-essential05:54
jordanauin one month of linux i have learned that05:54
tomcatEyeQ: Oh, really... ok, let me try that.05:54
benjiehey, rhythmbox is crashing when I try to load it in ubuntu, anyone know how to solve this?05:55
thoreauputicjordanau: man hosts.allow ; man hosts.deny     ;-)05:55
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thoreauputicjordanau: and others.... heheh ... there's a couple of RTFM answers for you :P05:56
eyequeuetomcat:  the other common building error (not for today, but for the future) you typically need the libfoo-dev version of libraries, not just the libfoo version :)05:56
thoreauputicbenjie: umm... run it from a terminal and see what errors it's spitting out for a start05:56
benjieok05:56
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benjie(rhythmbox:13582): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:05:57
benjieAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.05:57
benjieRhythmbox-ERROR **: file rb-ipod-source.c: line 478 (rb_ipod_get_itunesdb_path): assertion failed: (mount_point != NULL)05:57
benjiethats the lot of it05:57
jordanauI will say that i have been a lot better about figuring stuff out for my own in general than i was with windows05:57
kkathmandoes anyone know if the new firefox (1.0.2) is anywhere?  It doesnt seem to be anywhere in warty even universe.05:57
jordanaui still have a long way to go though :-)05:57
eyequeuejordanau:  it's fun, isn't it?05:58
tomcateyequeue: That did it, thx05:58
eyequeuetomcat:  cool05:58
thoreauputicjordanau: at least you try - and yeah, linux does that to you05:58
DesolateI'm trying to install irssi, and I need a bunch of libraries and compilers, so is there an easy way to install some sort of basic dev tools package?05:58
tomcatNow I have to figure out how to install this module...05:58
jordanauyeah i should be doing thermodynamics right now but no i am busy setting up a ftp server so my buddy can have all of my mp3s05:58
eyequeuekkathman:  right.  it is in hoary though05:58
kkathmanahh ok05:58
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tritiumDesolate, a package is available.  You don't have to build it05:59
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eyequeuejordanau:  lol, priorities05:59
kkathmaneyequeue:  would I need to change from warty to hoary to get that one package?05:59
Desolateah05:59
kkathmanim thinking that if I dont there might be dependency probs05:59
thoreauputicbenjie: are you trying to run it as root? Don't if so06:00
helio7has anyone succeeded in viewing quicktime as a plugin in side of a webpage?  Is this doable?06:00
eyequeuekkathman:  "stable" means unchanging except for security fixes, basically.  hoary will be released as stable in a couple of weeks if you'd like to wait06:00
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jordanauspring break in 2 days, i don't have anymore priorities06:00
kkathmanyes I think I'll do that...I just use opera :)06:00
kkathmanI have the current on that one06:00
robl^anyone know why running GNOME/GTK apps under Windowmaker session will make fonts many times larger than under a GNOME session?06:01
giardthis module thing looks like it has to be a bug06:01
giardit's showing up on both my computers06:01
benjiethoreauputic: no, its not as root06:01
eyequeuehelio7:  i've done so, via something or other i read on ubuntuguide06:01
giardanyone using hoary been playing with php4?06:01
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helio7eyequeue: ok I'll keep looking then thanks (=06:01
eyequeuehelio7:  should be simple to find there, though i don't recall specifics06:01
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thoreauputicbenjie: well, it doesn't like your X authentication for some reason - what does  ls -l ~/.Xauthority say?06:02
helio7eyequeue: so you can hear the music here? http://www.morrisseymusic.com/quicktime/1.html06:02
helio7(if you don't mind checking (=06:02
typowhat package should I file kernel bugs under?06:03
tritiumtype what's the problem?06:03
eyequeuehelio7:  say my name again?06:03
benjiethoreauputic: how do I check that?06:04
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thoreauputicbenjie: benjie: well, it doesn't like your X authentication for some reason - what does  ls -l ~/.Xauthority say?06:04
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eyequeuehelio7:  i don't hear it, but i think i have no sound now :/06:04
thoreauputicls -l ~/.Xauthority06:04
helio7eyequeue: lol well you don't see the jigsaw piece suggesting a missing plugin (= right?06:05
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invalid|ubuntuI compiled the spca5xx driver, with no warnings/errors - but I don't see it with modprobe, any suggestions?06:05
tritiumtypo, what's the problem?06:05
eyequeuehelio7:  it does fire up mplayer though, which says* it is playing rtsp://(long thing here).mov06:05
pvoceevening all:)06:05
helio7eyequeue: thanks06:05
benjiethoreauputic: its says "ls: /root/.Xauthority: No such file or directory06:05
benjie"06:05
eyequeuehelio7:  right, it seems my sound is borked, since i dind't here xchat tell me you said my nick either06:05
thoreauputicbenjie: you typed it wrong or as root06:06
eyequeuehelio7:  all indications are that i'd hear it there, if sound worked ... i'll ... gasp, reboot now06:06
benjieok06:06
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YomicAre there any GUI partitioning tools available worth mention?06:06
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typotritium: the kernel won't boot without acpi=off06:07
typotritium: I had to install my own kernel to get ACPI06:07
tritiumtypo, that's not necessarily a kernel bug.  It could be your hardware06:07
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typotritium: it works with other kernels06:07
typotritium: what do you suggest I do then?06:07
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thoreauputicbenjie: cd /home/benjie ; ls -l .Xauthority06:08
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nishum.06:08
michael_hi all.. i've been trying to get my sound working and i found out what the problem is (in hoary).. when i type cat /dev/sndstat it shows that my three audio devices are in the wrong order... i need to change that order around so that my Sound Blaster Live! device is listed first, then my audio WILL work06:08
nisokay no more popping in and out. sorry.06:08
pvoceIll just throw this out there.....has anyone else had problems geting the nvidia-installer to find the proper headers, even AFTER providing the path?06:08
mconbereanyone know how to get the older nvidia drivers (6111) installed in hoary?06:08
tritiumtypo, I guess file a bug if you feel certain about it06:08
Desolateanyone know how to enable identd?06:09
Desolatefor irc (irssi) and such06:09
typotritium: I've compiled a bunch of kernels for this hardware and ACPI has always worked (with more or less bugs)06:09
benjiethoreauputic: k, that worked.  it says "-rw-------  1 benjie benjie 117 2005-03-23 18:37 .Xauthority06:09
benjie"06:09
typotritium: what package then?06:09
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tritiumtype linux-image-<version>06:09
tritiumtypo06:09
thoreauputicbenjie: OK that looks fine, so that isn't the problem06:09
pvocemconbere: I know that synaptic allows to get nvdia drivers for UB, but I dont think theyre HD ACL06:09
nisDesolate:  cd /etc/rc2.d && ln -s ../init.d/identd .  <- or similar06:10
kkathmanAnyone here running XFCE as their desktop?06:10
YomicWhere can I find a GUIed partitioning tool?06:10
thoreauputicbenjie: are you trying to play stuff from an external device?06:10
nisDesolate: and then rename the link:  mv identd S98identd06:10
akkYomic: qtparted06:10
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akkYomic: At least if it works for you.  I haven't had much luck with it.06:10
YomicThanks, but is it apt-get[able] ?06:10
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akkYomic: Yes.06:11
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YomicAlrighty.06:11
benjiethoreauputic: I was wanting to play a cd of mine that I ripped, but since Rhythmbox crashes on opening, I wasnt doing anything other than trying to open it06:11
michael_hi all.. i've been trying to get my sound working and i found out what the problem is (in hoary).. when i type cat /dev/sndstat it shows that my three audio devices are in the wrong order... i need to change that order around so that my Sound Blaster Live! device is listed first, then my audio WILL work06:11
BrendHello. It appears that an IBM utility called "Verify Disk" has just wiped our entire system, without warning. "fdisk /dev/sda" and "fdisk /dev/sdb" report zero partitions. Is there any chance they could be wrong, and is there anything we can do find out?06:12
eyequeuewho was asking for quicktime help?06:12
thoreauputicbenjie: so just typing `rhythmbox` results in a crash?06:12
tritiumBrend, that seems like a question for IBM06:12
typotritium: bugzilla doesn't seam to like "linux-image-2.6.10-4-386"06:12
eyequeuemichael_:  sound doesn't work for me in hoary, that fix may be of use here.  what did you do?06:12
benjiethoreauputic: yes06:12
nisBrend: if you have an old copy of the partition table (a log of it from fdisk session) just recreate it same parameters as before.06:13
thoreauputicbenjie: :(06:13
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michael_eyequeue: my problem isn't yet resolved06:13
benjiethoreauputic: exactly06:13
michael_eyequeue: i know the cause of the problem, not the solution06:13
geneo93i think that write 0 and 1 to disk iirc06:13
eyequeueah06:13
thoreauputicbenjie: try running strace rhythmbox and see if that gives you any clues06:13
Brendtritium: The question for IBM that is currently foremost in my mind is "What does 'verify' mean, dickheads?" :)06:13
michael_eyequeue: type cat /dev/sndstat06:13
ioguixbrend there is a program that try to recover partition from a disk06:13
michael_eyequeue: tell me how many audio devices it lists06:13
eyequeuemichael_:  i had conjectured mine was due to oss and lack of alsa, but not gotten far06:14
ioguixbut i don't remember the name06:14
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tritiumBrend, yeah, no kidding :)06:14
ioguixit is apt-gettable under debian, search under ubuntu...06:14
geneo93Brend:  i have that ultility here and it writes o's and 1's to disk06:14
eyequeuemichael_:  Audio devices:06:14
eyequeue0: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 (DUPLEX)06:14
eyequeue1: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem - Modem (DUPLEX)06:14
tritiumtypo, perhaps because it's not in the repos anymore.  only 2.6.10-5 now06:15
thoreauputicbenjie: obviously only the last few lines will tell you anything useful (when the crash occurs)06:15
tritiumtypo, nevermind06:15
nisIf you don't already have one, make a copy NOW of your partition table:  script && fdisk p q && quit (do the steps omit the && verbiage).06:15
Brendgeneo93, "verify" emphatically does not infer any writing activity :)06:15
eyequeuemichael_:  different devices of course from you, but the duplicity could cause hoary confusion06:15
typotritium: should I try a newer kernel first?06:15
tritiumtypo, if I were you, I'd have tried 2.6.10-506:16
geneo93Brend:  did it not through a caution flag06:16
eyequeuemichael_:  i'm on warty as i type this btw.  it's the hoary livecd that i was testing and it failed06:16
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michael_eyequeue: the liveCD actually worked for me, the installed version does not.06:16
Brendgeneo93: No caution, no confirmation, no explanation, and no indication of what it was doing until it had finished "checking" (read: erasing)06:16
benjiethoreauputic: well, it fills the terminal with a whole bunch of lines I don't understand, and then crashes just like when I run rhythmbox normaly. the last lines that seem to be of any use are "open("/usr/share/locale/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (Nosuch file or directory)06:16
benjieopen("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)06:16
benjieopen("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", O_RDONLY) = 23fstat64(23, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=14943, ...}) = 006:16
benjiemmap2(NULL, 14943, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 23, 0) = 0xb477c00006:16
benjieclose(23)                               = 006:16
benjiestat64("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", 0xbffff038) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)06:16
eyequeuemichael_:  heh, figures06:16
benjiewrite(2, "\nRhythmbox-ERROR **: file rb-ipo"..., 13406:16
benjieRhythmbox-ERROR **: file rb-ipod-source.c: line 478 (rb_ipod_get_itunesdb_path): assertion failed: (mount_point != NULL)06:16
benjie"06:16
michael_eyequeue: so i looked at the differences in configuration, and i noticed that the sound blaster live card is listed FIRST for the livecd, and listed LAST for my installed version06:16
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michael_eyequeue: so from that i can conclude that the order of the device matters06:17
typotritium: there's also 2.6.11 there, should I try that?06:17
eyequeuemichael_:  hmm, i wonder why the livecd differs?  maybe some devel would know?06:17
tritiumtypo, no, that's not supported yet06:17
kkathmanwhat is the command to add XFCE to the Sessions list when you log on?06:17
thoreauputicbenjie: hrmph - *please* don't paste in the channel like that06:17
typotritium: ok06:17
geneo93well it does erase disk contents the one i have anyway Brend06:17
eyequeuemichael_:  *nod* i'd think so too06:17
Brendgeneo93: Then why isn't it called "Disk Eraser"? :)06:17
ggeeckoanyone here use pine and gmail??06:17
BrendThe irresponsibility of this is just mind boggling.06:18
michael_eyequeue: im looking into a way to BLACKLIST the devices i don't want06:18
geneo93its IBM stuff06:18
benjiethoreauputic: sorry, I'm new at this, my ettiquete is non-exsistent yet. I appologize06:18
michael_eyequeue: since i can't switch the order(dont know how) at least i can eliminate the unwanted ones from ever loading06:18
eyequeuemichael_:  hotplug, and,um, "that other package" heh06:18
eyequeuemichael_:  man i'm braindead tonight06:18
thoreauputicbenjie: it seems to be having a barf about locales as far as I can see - but I'm not expert enough to parse the problem I'm sfraid06:18
thoreauputic*afraid06:19
ggeeckowhats the difference between coldplug and hotpkug06:19
geneo93Brend:  i have the util on floppy but i dont know if i can read it here06:19
Daehliewhat is the default cdrom device in ubuntu, I tried to mount /dev/hdc since my dvd drive is the secondary master06:19
eyequeuemichael_:  i'd blacklist the modem if i needed too, since i haven't used it ever since i got this laptop06:19
michael_eyequeue: i just found something helpful at http://occy.net/node/5706:19
thoreauputicbenjie: for future reference, use pastebin.com or similar06:19
benjiethoreauputic: alright, well I'll try to work it out. Thanks anyways for your time and patience06:19
thoreauputicbenjie: good luck06:20
Brendgeneo93: Our best plan right now is to rebuild the server from scratch, reinstall our tools, recover our repositories from checkouts, and then charge IBM for two lost man-months.06:20
benjiethoreauputic: thanks06:20
michael_eyequeue: it's basically what we might have to do to get our audio working06:20
eyequeuemichael_:  cool, is that your laptop?06:20
michael_eyequeue: no, that's just some random site i found06:20
eyequeuek06:21
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geneo93Brend:  i'm going to see what the readme says if i can06:21
typolooks like xorg doesn't like being updated while it's running06:21
eyequeuemichael_:  i'll have to see if the modem pops up first in /dev/sndstat tomorrow, that would answer that for me06:21
michael_eyequeue: okay good luck06:22
typoshould I use a 686 kernel image?06:22
Fackamatoif you have a pentium3 or newer, yes06:22
pvocehas anyone else had problems installing nvidia drivers from the installer they provided?06:23
Fackamatonot me06:23
Fackamatowhat "problems" ?06:23
eyequeuemichael_:  thanks06:23
geneo93does ubuntu have dosemu by default06:23
tritiumpvoce, I use the ubuntu .debs rather than nvidia installers06:23
Fackamatogeneo93: of course not, maybe in the repos tho06:23
pvoceI had to get the source headers, but even giving the instaler the path of the headers, the installer cant find them06:24
geneo93Fackamato:  k thanks06:24
tritiumdosemu is in the repos06:24
eyequeuegeneo93:  Filename: pool/universe/d/dosemu/dosemu_1.2.1-3_i386.deb06:24
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pvocetritum: I did too, but its not hardware accelerated, or at elast I cant find how to enable acceleration06:24
eyequeuegeneo93:  so you do need universe, not just main06:24
tritiumpvoce, what's wrong with the ubuntu packages?06:24
tritiumyes, it06:24
geneo93oh i have them all06:25
tritiumis hardware accelerated06:25
geneo93just trying to look at readme on floppy drive06:25
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pvocetritum, I beleive you, but I am having a difficult time getting it the card to act like it:)06:26
geneo93Brend:  looks like i'll have to goto windows machine06:26
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Fackamatoall packages are compiled for i386, with no optimizations, right?06:27
typowhy have linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-image-2.6.10-4-386?06:27
pvocetritium: the fps rates are so low I wonder if im using an old CL06:27
tritiumpvoce, that's odd - it's accelerated for me06:28
Fackamatotypo: different versions, newer = better06:28
YomicThis is just a question a couriosity, but, what is the 'windows' key used for in Ubuntu :D?06:28
eyequeueokay, someone explain this for me please?  Applications > SystemTools .... gkrellm *was* there earlier, but doens't show up now .... yet, it's in the folder when i browse to it via applications://     what gives?06:28
FackamatoYomic: nothing by default afaik06:28
typoFackamato: but why different packages for different versions?06:29
virtualdFackamato: they do have optimizations, but not for newer cpu instructions. that doesn't matter much for other stuff than multimedia apps though, and they are cpu optimized06:29
thoreauputictypo: because one is an update of the other and some people might need the older one for driver compatibility ?06:29
Fackamatovirtuald: true06:29
typothoreauputic: ah, ok06:29
nisYomic: to order chaos06:29
tritiumpvoce, I'll be back...06:29
Fackamatotypo: newer stuff might work for others, break stuff for others06:29
Fackamatoand since it's kernels, it's good to have versions to choose frmo06:29
Fackamatoimho06:29
pvocenot to sound too naive, but is there a setting unique to ubuntu that I am missing?...06:30
virtualdi wonder if a cpu optimized libc would make a difference06:30
eyequeuetypo:  one other thought, in diagnosing a problem... "which kernel are you running?"  a specific answer might pin down what change broke things06:30
YomicHow do I do the Linux/Ubuntu equivalent of alt+ codes of Windows06:30
pvoceits just an older GeForce2 DDR06:30
eyequeueYomic:  what does it accomplish, maybe someone knows?06:30
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nisYomic: I think it works already.06:31
nis(used to)06:31
da_bon_bonhi all06:31
Yomicnis: Not for me :/06:31
da_bon_bonheard ubuntu is getting some frowns and hostility from the debian turf ?06:31
nisYomic: stop gdm and try it in vim on console.06:31
typoeyequeue: yeah, good idea06:32
typoI'm off to try this new kernel06:32
nisYomic: (or hotkey into the console if you can)06:32
nis(I can't!)06:32
eyequeueda_bon_bon:  i'd not heard that06:32
thoreauputicda_bon_bon: is this a troll or are you asking for some good reason?06:32
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pvoceall Ive heard is that an invite was extended to userlinux....there was a good write up of Debian in the article06:33
virtualdanyone here know python? how do i import gethostbyaddr when there's already a line that says "from socket import error as socketerror"?06:33
eyequeueda_bon_bon:  i'd imagine IF it was so that it was more likely some human in one project had a sqabble with some human in the other project, people are fallible and all06:33
thoreauputicpvoce: and Bruce Perens was supportive of Ubuntu in his comments on /.06:34
nisYomic: (in vim) :help digraphs06:34
pvocesounds trollish if you ask me06:34
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pvocethor: my ppoint exactly06:34
nisWhat's Perens doing these days?06:35
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jimarkogood day all :D06:36
eyequeueother than writing on /.?   i don't know, heh06:36
thoreauputicnis: user linux as I understand it06:36
nisthoreauputic: rgr. tnx.06:36
BockBilbobye, and thanks for all06:36
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geneo93Brend:  soory cant read any of it its for as400's06:37
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typo2.6.10-5-686 has the same problem06:37
thoreauputiceyequeue: well, Perens was actually "responding" to an irresponsible article post on /.06:37
typoshould I file it then?06:37
syn-ackYAY! the wiki's down,06:37
da_bon_bonhi all06:37
nisYomic: you should be able to enter direct ascii digraphs using cat > file at the console, also. iirc.06:37
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da_bon_bonheard that ubuntu is getting some hostility from the debian turf ?06:37
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pvoceyeppers...its a troll06:37
thoreauputicda_bon_bon: stop it now06:37
eyequeuetrue (i happened to see it, and then the reference to the "invite" thereafter as well)06:38
pvocebonbon: too many people who work in the tech field here to stir up06:38
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nisI started an iLamp page on that wiki.  It ate my kernel config, which took me about an hour to copy and paste into the web browser text-input field, a dozen lines at a time.06:38
eyequeuei wonder if all these channels are getting similar s*-stirring messages as well, with $DISTRO1 and $DISTRO2     ##slackware #archlinux #kubuntu #ubuntu #fedora06:40
regeya_#kubuntu is not06:40
da_bon_bonthoreauputic: well, the problm was that i got disconnected. sorry... and i am lagging, so i dont know whether its posted or not..06:41
sigwhy is acroread and acroread-plugin kept back?06:41
eyequeueregeya_:  thanks :)06:41
jimarkoYeah, whats the deal with kubuntu? Which version level of KDE is used?06:41
syn-ack3.406:41
jimarkoo00o..06:41
eyequeuesig:  most likely, dependencies, unless you have something on hold06:41
syn-ackon hoary, at least06:41
pvoceprobably....most of us have used more than one....I cut my teeth on slack, used mdk for the past four years, then found ubuntu recently and was bought over06:41
sigeyequeue: weird06:41
nisbtw if you edit ~/.bashrc and add the statement  'export PROMPT_COMMAND=' it will stop doing *that*06:41
syn-ackI cut my teeth on RedHat 5.206:42
pvoceslack 3.6:)06:42
eyequeuesig:  i'd try this command to see if it gives enlightmenment: sudo apt-get install acroread06:42
pvoceaka slack 9606:42
eyequeuesig:  don't let it complete if you don't like what it says it is about to do06:42
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pvoceold 2.2 kernel:)06:42
pvocefvwm for gui06:43
sigeyequeue: yeah broken packages06:43
sigthats why06:43
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eyequeuesig:  try   sudo apt-get -f install06:43
syn-ackHell, I forget which kernel was in 5.206:43
sigeyequeue: why would I do that when I just told you it depends on some packages that are broke06:43
pvocethat beats me:)06:43
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Brendgeneo93, well, thanks for trying. There's an IBM engineer on his way, I'm preparing the staple gun for his arrival.06:44
eyequeuesig:  i read that as some of your current packages on the box are broken06:44
balzaci just ordered my ubuntu CDs. It's sweet that shipping is free.06:44
signo a newer package it needs is broke06:44
geneo93Brend:  good luck06:44
pvoceBrend: be more creative than that...alka seltzer for his birds:)06:44
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eyequeuesig:  if hoary, i guess you could wait a couple of days, though you can check to see if it's reported on bugzilla06:45
geneo93Brend:  the IBM engineers i met didn't really help much06:45
sigeyequeue: yeah06:45
sigoh well06:45
sig:)06:45
eyequeuebalzac:  welcome (soon) to ubuntu :)06:45
signo hurry06:45
sigI hardly use it06:45
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balzaceyequeue: thanks06:46
geneo93funny i have nothing to read pcdos706:46
balzaci had two really serious linux geeks recommend ubuntu, plus it's based on debian, so that was enough for me.06:46
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nisnice fonts in ubuntu06:47
balzaci'm picky as hell about software06:47
eyequeuebalzac: i've been quite pleased with it.. any questions at this point?06:47
balzaci'm thinking...06:48
nisI think my idle session problem is solved .. but I haven't let one idle long enough to be sure. ;)06:48
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balzaci'm interested in the people behind it06:48
eyequeuebalzac:  have you run debian before?06:48
balzacseems like some high-integrity people06:49
nis(I'd go away and come back to find the Human Family smiling at me .. instead of all the tasks I had going in open windows!)06:49
eyequeueagreed06:49
balzaci've messed around with it, but i'm no linux geek. i'm just getting started.06:49
eyequeuei'm thnkful for their efforts06:49
tomcatThx for the nudge there earlier, Eyequeue. I've got my webcam module installed, but I thikn I need to reboot to see if it's working with gnomemeeting (as I quit out of the GM 1st time install and now I can't launch it...)06:49
balzacdebian was the most pleasing linux distro so far06:49
balzacfedora reeks too much of redhats commercialism06:49
syn-ackDebain, Ubuntu and Gentoo are the only ones I use anymore.06:50
eyequeuetomcat:  yeah, modules and anything kernel-related sometimes need that dreaded rebioot, heh06:50
jimarkobalzac: +106:50
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syn-ackbalzac: there is nothing wrong with "commercialism" All I ask is that they make a good distro, and they havent had that since RH 7.306:50
eyequeuebalzac:  if debian was a comfortable for you, i think you'll enjoy ubuntu06:50
nissnow plow just went by06:51
jimarkoi came from Fedora C3 to Ubuntu and have used that since.. its nice :)06:51
eyequeuenis:  where are you located?06:51
balzacsyn-ack, i don't like someone's profit-motive to stink up my experience.06:51
niseyequeue: CT USA 73W 42N06:51
eyequeues/comfortable/comfortable fit/06:51
croplogichas anyone else had problems with the warty install?06:51
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factotumby default, does sound work more or less in a "one at a time" way? Like if im playing something in xmms, there wont be any sound for anything else.06:52
syn-ackjimarko: I came from RedHat 5.2, 6.0, 7.3, 8, 9. CorelLinux, Debian and Gentoo. ;)06:52
syn-ackjimarko: I consider myself a distro whore.06:52
eyequeuenis:  ah, i don't know my lat/lon but lake ontario here, warm yesterday, snow today, lol06:52
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nisfactotum: depends on method used.06:52
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niseyequeue: rgr.06:52
michael_eyequeue: i found the solution06:53
eyequeuemichael_:  great06:53
jimarkosyn-ack: i was a red-hatter previous to Fed, and i'd used debian for server. But yeh, as far as recent desktop dabblings are concerned, Ubuntu is the best IMO06:53
thoreauputicfactotum: I seem to get system sounds when using gstreamer apps like rhythmbox, but not with xmms06:53
geneo93syn-ack:  i have 4 on this system06:53
michael_eyequeue: check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21549&highlight=audio+work06:53
syn-ackbalzac: Guess what, You know who Alan Cox is? Hes one of the prim upstream kernel hackers and guess who he works for? RedHat.06:53
nisfactotum: I tried playing 20 songs at the same time thru xmms.  Was ..  'interesting'.06:53
thoreauputicfactotum: I haven't looked into it since I don't care about system sounds ;)06:53
fangoriousso what's the hoary-updates apt repos that are default disabled?06:54
balzacyeah, he's cool, but it seems like redhat's release schedule is linked too much to their marketing department. i think they have too many suits aboard.06:54
syn-ackjimarko: Depends on what Im using the distro for, I will use Gentoo for things I wouldnt even think about having a binary distro for. It compiles much cleaner.06:54
factotumme neither, im in xfce. An example, playing music means no sound from somthing like a flash animation, if i shut off xmms I then get sound06:54
syn-ackbalzac: I think it's all in your head, personally.06:55
nisthoreauputic: echo "set bell-style none" > ~/.inputrc ;)06:55
factotumah well, no biggie. Just wondering if it was normal for it to work that way06:55
eyequeuemichael_:  the problem i seem to have had is ... there seems to be oss but no alsa in hoary ... is this right?06:55
thoreauputicnis: heh - I didn't mean the system beep - I meant gnome sounds - but thanks for the tip :)06:56
eyequeuefangorious:  on april 7th, after hoary is released, they will ne no longer disabled06:56
thoreauputicnis: I should have been more precise :)06:56
croplogicisnt alsa intertwined with the 2.6 kernel06:56
nisthoreauputic: altho!  I got an error related to ~/.inputrc the other day I'd never seen before!06:56
eyequeuefangorious:  consider them a placeholder at present06:56
fangoriouseyequeue, how do they differ from the security updates repos?06:57
syn-ackcroplogic: as is oss.06:57
michael_eyequeue: i believe alsa is supposed to be there.. go to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector06:57
balzacdebian is the distro which comes closest to having the blessing of Richard Stallman06:57
syn-ackcroplogic: ALSA is more Userspace.06:57
balzachis blessing means a lot to me.06:57
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croplogicah06:57
nisBless you, my son.06:57
eyequeuefangorious:  "updates" are changes to the stable release, which only happens for hoary on 6 april06:57
thoreauputicbalzac: don't you mean GNU/blessing?  *grin*06:58
balzac:)06:58
syn-ackcroplogic: thats one of the main diffrences with OSS and ALSA. ASLA has userspace tools that OSS doesnt. thats why you can do more with it06:58
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eyequeuemichael_:  okay, i only saw a lack of alsa in the sound icon on the top right, leftclick and "open volume control" and the mixer there was VERY sparse06:59
nisBeing loyal to Stallman is like being loyal to an alcoholic father who used to be nice to you when you were a little boy.06:59
fangoriouseyequeue: ok, I'll just ignore it untill then. thanks06:59
croplogicall i know is it's a good thing, beacause it makes the reality of a linux DAW that much more feasible06:59
fangoriousis gnome NetworkManager available? I've enabled the universe repos and still don't see it06:59
syn-acknis: I call him Stallin... I slip with that EVERY time... heh06:59
nis;)06:59
eyequeuemichael_:  but i hadn't seen system > preferences > multimedia systems selector, so that could be my problem07:00
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nisUbuntu by definition is about *groups* of people.07:00
balzache's more like marx. stalin was only a dictator, but stallman is a visionary.07:00
syn-ackhaha07:01
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nisI'm quite curious to see how many people buy into that meme.07:01
balzaci like the way stallman has chided the wayward children07:01
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eyequeuenis, well, "humanity toward others" implies not existing in a vacuum :)07:01
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nisbalzac: the GPL is viral, and many object to it, and their arguments are decently organized.07:02
Fackamatohm, when's the next gentoo version coming out07:02
FackamatoI tried gentoo some 4 months ago, didn't play nice :>07:02
niseyequeue: In the spirit of King and Christ .. I love you, eyequeue /Albert /Twin Peaks07:03
syn-ackFackamato: Gentoo doesnt have versions.07:03
balzacit's not just a meme. what they have in common is having their eyes on the utopian future where parasitic, unregulated capitalism is pushed aside.07:03
syn-ackper se.07:03
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nis(original remark directed to Sheriff Truman)07:03
Fackamatosyn-ack: releases then? :o07:03
balzacstallman doesn't like small-minded profit-driven motives interfering with his user experience.07:03
fangoriousi'm having trouble with my linksys 802.11b car, should be supported by the orinoco driver07:03
eyequeuenis:  i suspect i lack the television exposure to understand that properly, but, "um, thanks?" :)  it sounds positive at least07:04
fangoriouscar => card07:04
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nis;)07:04
syn-ackFackamato: ask in #gentoo.07:04
W3BMAST3R101does any one here use tor?07:04
nisbalzac: there's an intolerance under the surface there.   Watch for it, says I.07:04
syn-ackFackamato: I still use the 1.4 installer.07:04
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eyequeuefangorious:  i'm about to speak of 802.11g, not 802.11b, so bear that in mind07:05
fangoriousk07:05
Brendnis, by the time people get to chanting slogans at the capitalist pigs, reasonable suggests are futile :)07:05
Fackamatosyn-ack: Right.07:05
ellsI must ask. Where is the directory where the kernel is kept07:05
Fackamato/boot/ for the image, /usr/src for the source07:05
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tritiumhi ells.  You're back...07:06
Wildthingis there an equivalent of karamba/superkaramba for gnome?07:06
balzacnis, one can't be in a hurry for social evolution, but that doesn't mean one has to be satisfied with the status quo. I don't buy into everything either marx or stallman ever wrote, but I can see the parallels between buddhist and socialist principles.07:06
eyequeuefangorious:  the linksys card, of the *same* model number etc, had at least four different revisions, all of which used a *different* chipset (and thus required a different driver) as ridiculous as that sounds07:06
nisBrend: when we get to to 'Microsoft Distribution' of Linux then I'm worried.  ;)07:06
jdubnis: the GPL is not "viral". at every point, someone using GPL code a) has a responsibility to understand the license and b) has every option to not use the code.07:06
tritiumWildthing, gdesklets07:06
Wildthingoh ok07:06
Wildthingi thought those were only for like weather things07:06
nisells: /07:06
eyequeuefangorious:  quite the pain determining this of course, when someone tells you that you need driver "foo" for that model, etc.   is it possible that the same is true of yours?07:07
tritiumells, shall we finish up the new hard drive stuff?07:07
nisjdub: Perhaps.07:07
fangoriouseyequeue, i've been using the orinoco driver bundled with the kernel for a long time, FC 1-3, ubuntu warty, ...07:07
balzaci happen to believe that when people become mature enough to realize their self-interests are aligned with the interests of others, some kind of socialist equilibrium emerges.07:07
jdubnis: there is no perhaps about it.07:07
Brendbalzac, a whole lot of people through history have believed that, and been emphatically wrong about it :)07:08
eyequeuefangorious:  oh, the same physical card?  then you know it's that driver, ignore what i said07:08
fangoriouseyequeue, :)07:08
ellstritium: actually, I got this wireless card, and thought I would try to get it working07:08
nisjdub: perhaps.07:08
balzacthat is based on maturity and individual development. it can never be forced on people from outside.07:08
ellstritium: feel up to it07:08
tritiumells, I have the solution for your hard drive I believe07:08
ellsreally07:08
tritiumyeah07:08
michael_anyone, how do i check what version of kernel i'm running through the terminal?07:08
|QuaD-jdub: can you comment on the availability of beagle and ifolder in breezy>07:09
ellswell, I am not home right now07:09
tritiummichael_, uname -r07:09
jdubnis: not a response that indicates you're willing to learn, unfortunately.07:09
nisjdub: wtf?07:09
tritiumells, oh07:09
jdub|QuaD-: beagle might make it into hoary universe, unfortunately the goal posts have been moving a fair bit.07:09
ellstritium: at school07:09
jdub|QuaD-: ifolder is still in a pretty terrible state (and doesn't do p2p yet, which makes it far less useful).07:09
ellstritium: kind of on break07:09
tritiumells, i see.07:10
ellstritium: want to try the wireless card, just to see07:10
balzacBrend, collectivism prevails when conditions are ripe for it. individualism prevails when conditions are ripe for it.07:10
tritiumells, ok07:10
|QuaD-jdub: as to beagle... hoary is going to be released in around a week, when would we see beagle? in regards to ifolder: i didn't realize it was in a bad state, it is just a nice way to share files07:10
ellstritium: I will put the card in then07:10
tritiumells, /msg me07:11
jdub|QuaD-: beagle 0.0.7 has already been uploaded, it's just not in yet07:11
ellscool07:11
tritiumjdub, you rock07:11
jdub|QuaD-: 0.0.8 requires a new point release of mono07:11
balzacthere's no hurry and no need to politicize it, since it depends entirely upon individual development.07:11
jdubbalzac: this is pretty off topic for this channel, take it elsewhere please07:11
|QuaD-jdub: its been uploaded? what are we waiting for to allow it to be used?07:11
croplogic<michael>  locate kernel07:12
jdub|QuaD-: nothing in particular07:12
|QuaD-jdub: haha, alright, i am just excited about it, can't wait to try it07:12
jdubhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/hoary/07:12
jduban i386 package available there07:12
|QuaD-ok :) i will add it07:13
|QuaD-to ,u apt... thanks07:13
jdubno, you'll have to download it manually07:13
EricNeonhello,jdub07:13
jdubhi EricNeon07:14
|QuaD-jdub: ohh :( then that throws off apt07:14
nomasteryodaif anyone here can adapt the gnome-suse netapplet for other systems such as ubuntu, the benefits would be awesome07:14
EricNeonI am come form China07:14
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eyequeuea gnome 2.10 question, i believe.  will there be a simple mehod to add custom program "launchers" to application submenus? (a la applications:///)07:14
jdubEricNeon: you're the same eric who requested the cn list?07:14
jdubah yes07:14
jdubcool :-)07:14
netsackwhat's the "best" version of gcc/g++ that we should probably install on hoary?07:14
EricNeonnow , the ubuntu wiki site looks has wrong07:14
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jdubeyequeue: not in gnome 2.10, there are a bunch of menu editors available though07:15
crimsunnetsack: the default, 3.3.x, unless you have amd64, in which case you probably want 3.4.x07:15
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EricNeonmaybe it is my blame07:15
jdubEricNeon: what's happened?07:15
eyequeuejdub:  well, perhaps i should have said s/gnome 2.10/hoary/07:15
netsackcrimsun, thanks.07:15
jdubeyequeue: not in main07:15
elcuHi, anyone willing to answer a few questions 'bout installing the ATI driver?07:16
EricNeonI create a wiki page for chinese team,then the ubuntu-wiki is down07:16
EricNeonnow ,the ubuntu-wiki main fontpage looks as:07:17
EricNeonSite error07:17
EricNeonThis site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:07:17
EricNeonError Type07:17
EricNeon    AttributeError07:17
EricNeonError Value07:17
EricNeon    FrontPage07:17
EricNeonRequest made at07:17
eyequeuejdub:  seems unfortunate, something to consider for breezy?   i presume theres something in hoary/universe that a relative newbie could be talked through?07:17
EricNeon    2005/03/24 06:03:38.984 GMT07:17
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fangoriouseyequeue, heh, I had the SSID messed up, it works now07:19
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EricNeonjdubcan you fix it?07:19
Wildthingwoah gdesklets just crashed my X07:19
fangoriousso does anyone know if hoary is going to include NetworkManager?07:19
tritiumfangorious, no, it won't07:19
elcuok, i'll just put my question out there: according to this guide [http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto] , installing the ATI driver requires the use of apt-get.07:19
eyequeuefangorious:  heh, glad it's working, frustrating when it turns out to be completely outside where you were looking :)07:19
fangorioustritium, bummer.07:19
elcuProblem is, I don't have a working net connection in Linux07:20
jdubEricNeon: did you edit the front page? if so, what did you change?07:20
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nisEricNeon: I had identical error last night.07:21
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EricNeonI don't know how can I edit the front page07:21
nisjdub: the wiki's broken.07:21
jdubEricNeon: did you change anything, or did you just find this?07:21
EricNeonI add a table for chineseteam07:21
jdubnis: that's what we're discussing right now.07:21
eyequeueelcu:  someone else may have a better solution (i hope) ... meanwhile, could you download the files manually (at work) and use floppy or cd to transfer them to your ubuntu machine?07:21
jdubEricNeon: hrm, well, that page works fine :-)07:22
EricNeonthen I find my wrong,07:22
nisjdub: the error page served up has no decorations on it at all.07:22
eyequeueelcu:  actally, you're on now, so could you use that net connection, rather than a work machine07:22
elcueyequeue: which files?  i got the rpm from ati.com, is it possible to use that instead?07:23
EricNeonso I undo something at it07:23
EricNeonbut ,it looks not fine in my firefox07:23
croplogicanyone know if the apt package for the k7 optimized kernel just "linux k-7"?07:23
tritiumcroplogic, apt-cache search linux-image | grep k707:24
croplogicthanks07:24
eyequeueelcu:  no idea which files, i don't ave ati ... what i would do (and this will require booting to linux) run the apt-get command, which of course will not work, but write down the files it tries to grab07:24
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Echylohmm I see that there is an firefox update will it fix the download bug?07:24
niswow.  the error's propagated to the base page of the wiki.07:24
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tritiumEricNeon should be commended for bringing up the issue rather than avoiding it07:25
nisI tried posting almost 1000 lines to a new page last night, and the wiki broke *right then*. /paranoid.07:25
eyequeueelcu:  then grab them manually, they will end in ".deb" and put them in a work directory you create in linux.  change to that directory and run "sudo dpkg --install *.deb"07:25
elcueyequeue: ah, ok.  noob question again: where do i get the files it tells me to get?07:25
eyequeueelcu:  let me find you an example07:26
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embrylI've got a question about java... does anyone know where java detects/finds what language the applications should be in? All of my java apps are in japanese by default for some reason... i want to change it back to english.07:27
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niselcu: you can generally prepend 'http://www.mytarget.com/ubuntu/'  to the /pool/foo path and use wget to get the file.07:28
tritiumelcu, which kernel do you have?07:28
eyequeueelcu:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1/fglrx-driver_2.6.8.1.3-7_i386.deb07:28
nisright.07:29
nisprepend 'wget ' to that.07:29
michael_anyone, i just did a tar xvjf on a tar.bz2 file.. i then tried to do a ./configure.... and i get the error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH... how do i fix this?07:29
eyequeueelcu:  that's not a file you want probably, but you see the path there?  manually browse to the right location07:29
nis(and to resume, prepend 'wget -c ' to it)07:29
eyequeuenis:  i hit the right file, by sheer luck??07:29
elcunis: i don't have a working connection in ubuntu07:29
embrylsorry, it looks like everyone's busy....?  can someone help me search for this answer...? I'm only getting results on google about programming in java...07:29
niseyequeue: no I assumed you knew what you were doing, man. ;)07:30
embrylinstead of finding out where java detects its language...07:30
elcutritium: i'm running warthog07:30
niselcu: try substituting 'ftp://' for 'http://' there.07:30
niselcu: in your browser.07:30
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tritiumelcu, okay, eyequeue has already pointed you to the right place ;)07:30
eyequeueelcu:  browse to the  directory that apt-get says the file is in, it will be "most" of what you need, add the rest per my example (like "pool")07:30
eyequeueelcu:  you'll probably need a coiple of debs, so write down the whole list of what you need while in linux07:31
nisright.  you can right-click on the file in a good web browser.07:31
elcueyequeue: brilliant. i'll try that. thanks07:31
balzacEchylo, the download bug? You mean how it won't resume?07:31
eyequeueelcu:  you do know this will require a couple of reboots, right?  sorry i can't think of a simpler way for you07:31
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niseyequeue: what's they trying to do?07:32
eyequeuenis:  he needs ati, and i've never touched that, i was just guessing heh07:32
elcueyequeue: so using rpms, and then converting them to debs is something to avoid? (sorry, been a mandrake user for a long time, 1st time with ubuntu)07:32
niswhy?  why use ati?07:32
elcueyequeue: i'm not afraid of reboots :)07:33
eyequeuenis:  he's got no net in linux, so he's manually fetching the debs, to dpkg -i after he goes back to linux07:33
niswhy not boot a generic kernel?07:33
elcunis: i don't have 3d support07:33
FackamatoATi has working 3D acceleration with fglrx .07:33
eyequeuenis:  i presume he needs ati for his graphics card, though i don't know why he has no net07:33
niselcu: you don't need 3d support to use wget tho. ;)07:33
eyequeueFackamato:  you mean i stumbled upon the right file by sheer luck ?? :)07:34
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PuGzI HAVE ADSL!07:34
PuGzfor the first time ever!07:34
PuGzand i thought... what better than to go brag about it!07:34
PuGzi realise you probably all have it07:35
PuGzi dont care!07:35
PuGzhehe07:35
ubuntuhi, anyone know how to load Ubuntu LiveCD onto RAM so that the DVD-RW drive is free to burn discs?07:35
eyequeuenis:  i wasn't pointing him to wget because i dind't know the exactr file, wanted him to be able to browse after he found the file requirements (via apt-get)07:35
niseyequeue: I threw an old Tatung EGA card into a spare debian box the other day and logged in using my /televsion/ and the composite monitor port of the Tatung card.  No special kernel.07:35
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Echylono balzac here it won't downloadn anything07:35
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Quinn_StormPuGz: I have 3 megabit down cable :-P but seriously I know how you feel, when I first got broadband it was amazing07:35
eyequeuePuGz:  i feel your thrill :)  now, rather than short lines in irc, go download something huge like the kernel source and rejoice, heh07:36
niseyequeue: I think I get it. tnx.07:36
virtualdPuGz: i have an ethernet outlet besides my appartment door :D07:36
Echylocome on don't ruin his fun07:36
PuGzQuinn_Storm, mine is 8000 Kbs adsl07:36
PuGznot bad!07:36
balzacEchylo, i've never experienced that one.07:37
PuGznot quite 3 Mb... but 1!07:37
PuGzvirtuald, hehe07:37
EchyloI'm experiencing it all the time ;)07:37
Quinn_StormPuGz: nice, must not be in the US...and if its 8000Kbit that's well over 3Mbit07:37
PuGzdamn its good07:37
|QuaD-PuGz: i got 2 10mbit connections :)07:37
balzacv1.01 ?07:37
PuGzapt-gets are soo much faster now!07:37
Echyloprobably :-)07:37
Echylowould be bad if it wasn't faster07:38
eyequeuePuGz:  and um, *cough* graphic web sites, heh07:38
EricNeonChinese Ubuntu-Team is out! Welcome to ours channel  ----->#ubuntu-zh07:38
balzacwell, i hope it gets sorted out soon. downloading is the one thing that's troubled me with firefox. resuming downloads, specifically.07:38
Echylowell 1.02 is out I think07:38
eyequeuepictures of kitties and doggies, of course07:38
Echylojup07:38
balzacmy boy asa is on the case. maybe i can get him to bump up the priority of that bug.07:38
Echylolets try the download07:39
eyequeueEricNeon:  congratulations07:39
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EricNeonthanks a lot!07:39
PacoBCNhey, has anyone seen NeroLinux?07:40
PuGzPacoBCN, no07:40
PuGzwhats it like?07:40
PacoBCNlike Nero for windows07:40
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PacoBCNhttp://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX_Gallery.html07:40
eyequeuePacoBCN:  not i, but i've heard it has a reasonable user interface07:40
Echylojay balzac error is fixed here(fx 1.0.2)07:40
johngama1000does anyone know about loading and running Ubuntu LiveCD from RAM?07:40
PuGzbrb - reboot after dist-upgrade07:41
PacoBCNyes, like the one in WIndows07:41
nisPuGz: cool.07:41
balzacEchylo, glad to hear it.07:41
Echylohope your bug gets fixed soon07:41
eyequeuejohngama1000:  if you find out, putting it on the wiki would be good for others ... hence, someone might have done that already?07:42
nisbalzac: is that your name?07:42
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Echyloof course he is a famous writer07:42
nisah.07:42
Echyloah french one :p07:42
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PacoBCNbut it's not free07:42
PacoBCN:D07:42
balzacnis, just a nick.07:42
Benjamin_Ldoes anyone here know how to configure webalizer for firefox ?07:42
nis;)07:42
eyequeueBenjamin_L:  is it an extension?07:43
Benjamin_Lits a webstatistic program ^^07:43
Benjamin_Loops statistics07:43
PacoBCNread this:07:44
PacoBCNNeroLINUX is FREE of charge if you register:07:44
PacoBCN    * A Full Version of Nero Software Version 6.3 or higher07:44
PacoBCN      Retail Version or Downloaded Version07:44
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eyequeueBenjamin_L:  typically Tools > Extensions, then slect the one you want, then click Options07:44
Benjamin_Li know how to install extensions :)07:44
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Benjamin_Lbut i want firefox to show up in the statistics, anyone got a good .conf file for that ?07:44
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|QuaD-Benjamin_L: as in you want to know how many people use ff?07:46
Benjamin_Lyeah, at the moment i only see the different user agents in the statistics but I want to group the same ones07:46
michael_eyequeue: okay i found the definite solution to the problem.. i know this because IVE GOT SOUND FINALLY! :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=100610&postcount=707:46
EricNeonthis is kubuntu living in chinese http://www.linuxsky.net/down/ftproot/incoming/f33k4/scrothot/01015.png07:46
eyequeuemichael_:  cool07:48
eyequeuemichael_:  i'd say the only barrier i might encounter then is if for some reason the alsamixer and friends are somehow omitted from the livecd07:49
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lrojascould i realistically expect to perform a succesfull install of this : LAMP, WINE, CEDEGA, Mono-Project, PPTP MPPE, FireWire, USB FileSystem, gtkPod, QuickTime, mp3, DivX, RealMedia.08:00
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n4chtok... how hard will it be to upgrade from warty to hoary?  according to the website, you should never have to 'reinstall'.. so does that mean all upgrading is done online, like it suggests?08:01
tritiumlrojas, you might look at vpnc if you have a vpn that uses pptp or mppe08:02
eyequeuen4cht:  simple, as far as your typing a few things, but could be long if you're on dialup08:02
eyequeuen4cht:  you edit a file, /etc/apt/sources.list, then type two commands, then wait an eternity if you're on dialup for the downloading, heh08:03
n4chteyequeue, that's awesome.   i'm considering making the switch from mepis to ubuntu.  with mepis, to upgrade, you have to keep /home in a diff. partition, and 'preserve' it after downloading, and burning the newest copy of mepis.08:03
nisyeah I still haven't chosen a kernel source yet.08:03
nisI'm still leaning toward the benh kernel if it's still active.08:03
_4`awn4cht> hoary is an ubuntu version08:04
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eyequeuen4cht:  well, the "official" recommendation no doubt is probably to back up your /home beforehand, that's a good precaution, but i'll bet 99% will upgrade without it and have no problem08:04
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n4chteyequeue, excellent.08:05
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nisThe 'passwd -l' issue is unresolved in warty-powerpc for runlevel 1.  Wiki (or the doco, can't recall) says its resolved tho.08:05
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n4chtwhat kernel does hoary come with?08:05
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lynxxso kopete got shut down?08:05
samatmangot a question08:05
eyequeuen4cht:  2.6.10 i think, but i'm on warty08:06
Fackamaton4cht: up to 2.6.11 is available, I think it comes with 2.6.10 by default, or 2.6.808:06
FackamatoAre there any issues with the AMD64 version of Hoary?08:06
FackamatoOr does everything work as good as on 32bit.08:06
samatmani had no problems at all08:06
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eyequeueFackamato:  "come" yes, i know i heard someone saying something today, though it sounded minor ... it's still not release date after all08:07
eyequeuesome08:07
samatmanhow od you find out if you have hoary or warty?  i forgot to label my burned cd's so i picked one and installed08:07
nisholy <foo> it's after two.08:07
Fackamatoit's 8am and I haven't slept yet ;P08:07
elcueyequeue: back again. i'm really sorry to ask again, i wrote down the dpkg command and saved the ftp site, but i forgot the apt-get command to check which packages i need.08:07
eyequeuesamatman:  dpkg -l dpkg08:07
n4chti'm running warty livecd right now.   i couldn't decide between warty or hoary, but now that i know hoary comes with a kernel newer than 2.6.7, i think my decision has been made.08:07
Fackamaton4cht: No need to use warty over hoary imo. :>08:08
Fackamatos/need/reason08:08
eyequeueelcu:  let's see, the ati right?  you said you had some web site with directions?  i don't know it offhand, but run whatever that website said08:08
eyequeuen4cht:  ii  dpkg           1.10.22ubuntu2 Package maintenance system for Debian08:08
samatmannothing says 'hoary' or 'warty'08:08
n4chtthanks a bunch folks.  i'll be back (hopefully) in the next hour or so, running hoary.  :)08:09
samatman1.10.22ubuntu2 is warty?08:09
eyequeuen4cht:  that's the output for that i get on warty, if you have hoary, it will be higher08:09
nisan HOUR!08:09
nis;)08:09
samatmanahh, ok08:09
elcueyequeue: "sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx"? [http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto] 08:09
kkathmanhey eyequeue was it you that mention XFCE earlier?08:10
n4chtnis, it usually only takes me 25 mins or so to install most distros.  factor in rebooting to mepis, downloading the hoary iso, and burning it.. then installing, i'd say about an hour.08:10
eyequeueelcu:  okay, run that command in linux, and write down all the errors it gets08:10
nisgah. that's awesome, n4cht.08:10
n4chtbbs!08:10
elcuthanks again.08:10
eyequeueelcu:  and of course, any other commands it suggests08:10
eyequeuekkathman:  nope, sorry08:11
niselcu: what OS u use to get the files?08:11
elcunis: i'm on xp at the mo'08:11
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kkathmanwell, maybe you can help..I did an apt-get install xfce but it doesnt show up in my Sessions now08:11
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niselcu: so add XP filesystem support to linux and mount the volume.  ;)08:11
elcueyequeue: do you mean "packages" it suggest?08:12
lynxxShorewall any good?08:12
eyequeueelcu:  yes, there may be more than one, the rest will be dependencies, and are equally as needed08:12
caffinatednis: you shouldn't need to add it to ubuntu - it comes with NTFS readonly support out of the box ;)08:12
caffinatedthough, it doesn't seem to add the entries to fstab, and it probably should08:12
elcunis: i already mounted windows in ro mode08:13
eyequeuelynxx:  no personal experience, but i know some admins that swear by it, and i generally respect them08:13
lynxxty eyequeue08:13
niselcu: so it's just the matter of accessing the outside world via ethernet or modem?08:13
elcucaffinated: i had problems with grub not booting windows08:13
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XbruceXis NNTP authentication clear-text like FTP08:13
elcunis: yes that's right, my dial-up modem doesn't seem to work with any distro so far08:13
niselcu: can  you minicom to a shell account at your ISP?08:13
lynxxyou have any personal favs eyequeue?08:13
eyequeuelynxx:  of course, those who want to do everything manually will tell you it's vile, heh08:13
caffinatedelcu: interesting, it worked for me without any tweaking at all.  ubuntu was very good with the grub bootloader08:13
samatmanwhat package do i d/l for kernel sources?08:14
niselcu: and use sz?08:14
samatmanis it the [kernel #] .orig.gz?08:14
lynxxlol god forbid you should have to do any work running linux huh eyequeue lol08:14
elcucaffinated: well, i had drake 9.1 and i overwrote the partitions.  plus i'm a noob i guess.08:14
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BeirdoHeya all...08:14
niselcu: winmodem?08:14
caffinatedelcu: oh.  well, frying your partitions would probably stop you from booting an OS heh08:14
eyequeuelynxx:  i actually tend to go with raw iptables, but i don't have a bias against something like that, want to play with it when i have free time08:15
Beirdoanyone here use vservers under hoary preview?08:15
elcuelcu: never bothered to try, i'm afraid08:15
lynxxroger that eyequeue08:15
elcuwhoops08:15
elcu:)08:15
nisheh08:15
eyequeuelynxx:  firestarter is popular, and the ubuntuguide explains its isntallation08:15
niselcu: what does 'ls -la /dev/ttyS0' say?08:16
elcunis: i mainly use linux for work.  i spend more time in windows.08:16
elcunis: i'm not in linux so i couldn't tell u08:16
deFryskelcu, windows needs a lot of spending time yes08:16
eyequeueelcu:  which you use for play? :)08:16
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niselcu: do u have a 2nd working machine or do u reboot each time?08:16
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lynxxrgr that eyequeue08:17
elcueyequeue: windows08:17
eyequeueelcu:  though i'd die if i had to, i can see an advantage to *not* having the net when you hav to get work done, no distractions08:17
elcunis: dualboot. bit of a pain, i know, but i'm sharing the comp with Windows users who wouldn't think of changing.08:17
niselcu: got it.08:17
niselcu: so we can't interact with u when Linux is up, is that it?08:18
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phxguyreal e-z question... I think. what is the command to stop the xserver08:18
elcunis:yep, i'm not willing to go the full transition anyway.  u can probably tell i have had problems in the past.08:19
eyequeueyou probably want    sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop08:19
nisphxguy: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if gdm is running)08:19
deFryskinit 208:19
phxguythanks08:19
niselcu: you seem well-adjusted to me. ;)08:19
eyequeuedeFrysk:  actually, in ubuntu runlevels 2 3 4 and 5 are the same08:19
deFryskeyequeue, ooh08:20
elcueyequeue: i still manage to find ways to procrastinate in linux though.  i have a tv in the same room. :)08:20
eyequeueelcu:  heh, there's always a way to avoid work08:20
phxguynis: do i need to have sudo in front of that?08:20
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nisphxguy: yes08:20
phxguyok thanks for your help08:20
elcunis: cheap shot :)08:20
nisphxguy: root is the only one who can stop gdm08:20
eyequeuephxguy:  sudo means "do this as root" which is needed for most anything that would effect all users on the machine08:21
nisphxguy: that command tells the start-stop daemon to stop gdm.08:21
lynxxhrm at first i didnt like ubuntu but...i think im really starting to get into it08:21
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elcuwell, i'm off.  u might be seeing me again.  hopefully to announce success. :)08:22
elcuthanks again.08:22
eyequeuecool08:22
niselcu: good luck.08:23
lynxxgl elcu08:23
nisexcept for a winmodem he should have ppp by now.08:23
nisor maybe it's a newfangled USB support issue.08:23
samatmanwhat are the linux image packages i see?08:23
nissamatman: kernels?08:24
eyequeuesamatman:  kernels08:24
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nissamatman: might c.f. the days when  you had to burn a kernel to a diskette to boot Linux.08:24
lynxxlol08:25
samatmanyefah08:25
samatmanyeah08:25
samatmani'm looking for kernel sources and i keep seeing things that say 'image' and 'orig08:25
nisThe standard compile of the kernel produces an image suitable to directly dd it to a disk.08:25
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eyequeuesamatman:  look for linux-source, under l08:25
samatmanunder l?08:25
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eyequeuesamatman:  you're in the archive?  pool?08:26
samatman?08:26
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samatmani haven't seen the phrase archive or pool so i can't say08:26
samatmani'm searching from google08:26
n4chtyay.  hoary is more than half-way downloaded.08:27
eyequeueIndex of /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.108:27
samatmanon my machine?08:27
eyequeueon http://archive.ununtu.com/08:27
samatmanahh, thanks08:27
eyequeuespelled right of course08:27
nisn4cht: I grabbed about 360 megs of .deb files to get warty going .. via 56k dialup. ;)08:27
lynxxwth08:28
lynxxmy root password isnt working when i want to open firestarter08:28
n4chti'm so glad it's debian based.  i haven't used anything but debian in 3 years when i switched from slackware.08:28
eyequeueor just wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.12_all.deb08:28
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eyequeuelynxx:  user password, for sudo08:29
samatmanok08:29
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nislynxx: sudo passwd root08:29
samatmancool08:29
samatmando i want .deb .dsc?08:29
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samatman.diff.gz?08:29
eyequeuesamatman:  you want the deb08:29
nissamatman: .dsc for source-builds (dpkg-source I think)08:29
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eyequeuesamatman:  the others are used to build debs btw08:29
n4cht360mb?  pfft.   that's nothing.  i've been downloading for 17 mins, and i've snagged over 400MB of hoary.  :D08:29
nisouch.08:29
nisotoh I have no place to store 400MB.08:30
dini'm just wondering, what kind of package management does ubuntu have? is it an rpm distro?08:30
deFryskrpm ? buhahahahah!!08:30
n4chtit's debian based.08:30
eyequeuesamatman:  typically, you always want the deb, unless you want to manually change things around while making your own version of a deb08:30
n4chtso... .deb.  dpkg.08:30
n4chthow many rpm distros are there anyway?  just redhat and fedora, right?08:31
nisdin: dpkg08:31
dinmandrake08:31
deFryskn4cht, and mdk08:31
eyequeuen4cht:  and a ton of variants08:31
samatmanuname -a produces:  2.6.8.1-3-386    and i see this:  l linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.12_all.deb08:31
samatmanwill that work?08:31
dinwell i'm migrating from gentoo cuz of hd failure08:31
eyequeuesamatman:  yes08:31
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samatmanfor compiling modules?08:31
dini don't have the time to sit 6 hours to reinstall gentoo08:31
eyequeuesamatman:  yes08:31
n4chtdin, ubuntu uses dpkg, which also means apt.  (apt is very similar to emerge)08:32
samatmandanke08:32
eyequeuedin:  it's a different mindset from gentoo, be aware08:32
nisdin: I migrated off gentoo last week.08:32
deFryskdin if you like gentoo you could do a quick gentoo install with vidalinux08:32
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dinwell i'm tired of gentoo for a while08:33
dini need a change :)08:33
eyequeuedin:  slackware may be closer, if you want that08:33
n4chti got sick of gentoo fast.08:33
deFryskdin, compiling is highly overrated08:33
dinnah, don't like slackware08:33
deFrysk;p08:33
dinyeah i know08:33
dini had this gentoo install for over 2 years08:33
eyequeuei don't want slack either, nothing against patrick08:33
nisdin: a gentoo devel told me 'gentoo is for developers'08:34
dinnis: well i like it a lot.. portage owns08:34
deFryskspeed/bleeding makes ubuntu a good choice after leaving gentoo08:34
nisportage rox08:34
dinbut i'm ready for something different08:34
nisI'll .. miss it.08:34
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n4chtdin, if you want something that installs fast, has an amazingly simple package management system, and just plain works...  i'd suggest anything debian based.  i've been using mepis for a while, switching to ubuntu right now.08:34
eyequeuenis:  "what i use is for people like me" iow, heh08:34
nisI also miss the colorized sysvinit08:35
deFryskn4cht, mepis is too slow and too kde centric08:35
dinwell i'm dling the hoary iso right now, so...08:35
niseyequeue: sounds vaguely like David Byrne lyrics ;)08:35
eyequeuenis:  ubuntu has the tiniest taste of colorized, a fail is red08:35
dinyou guys wanna see my last screenshot?08:35
samatmanwhy not08:36
n4chtdeFrysk, first thing i did was ditch kde and switch to fluxbox.  :P08:36
dinbefore migrating hehe08:36
deFryskn4cht, hehe :D08:36
nisI had /one/ gentoo box and about 6 debians.  now I got 7 debians (and chroot into gentoo once in a while)08:36
eyequeuenis:  boot some time with no net, and you'll see the time sync fail for example08:36
Hayden i've already got ubuntu installed, if i install kubuntu can i delete all the gnome-related files later with ease?08:36
n4chti'm probably gonna ditch gnome with ubuntu and use fluxbox too.  i'm a fluxwhore.08:36
dinhttp://img215.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img215&image=mplayerdock9so.jpg08:36
niswell 6 debs 1 ubuntu ;)08:36
din<-- fvwm guy08:36
lynxxheh had to open it in root terminal...08:36
niseyequeue: yes I seen red ;)08:36
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deFryskdin, my desk (ubuntu) http://johanvrt.tomaatnet.nl/mygnome2.10.png08:37
samatmanwhat do you do with a .deb package?08:37
samatmango to console the the sh thingy?08:37
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n4chti just hope the installation process is easy.  i'm trying to ditch my windows partition and share my mepis swap with ubuntu.08:37
ellscan anyone tell me where the linux source directory is on the system08:38
eyequeuesamatman:  in a terminal, type "sudo dpkg --install *.deb"08:38
deFryskells, /usr/src/08:38
eyequeuesamatman:  in a terminal, type "sudo dpkg --install big-long-filename.deb"08:38
ellsthats it08:38
n4chtells, uh.. what do you mean by 'source directory' ?  you mean the root dir, or /usr/src?08:38
ellsnot /usr/src/Linux or something08:38
dindeFrysk: looks good08:39
nissamatman: 'ar x file.deb' to unpack it; dpkg -i file.deb to install it.08:39
dindeFrysk: i'm no gnome guy at all though08:39
din:)08:39
ellsn4cht /usr/src08:39
deFryskdin, a few tweaks from art.gnome.org and gdesklets ;)08:39
nissamatman: skip the 'ar' part, that was pedantic.08:39
ellsdeFrysk, not /usr/src/Linux or something08:39
eyequeuesamatman:  -i is short for --install, just wanted you to know what it was baout, not to make you type more, heh08:39
dindeFrysk: well i scripted my desk08:39
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dinthe config file is some 1100 lines long08:40
n4chthas anyone had any problems with getting gdesklets working with ubuntu?  i could never get it to work with mepis, but that's likely because, as was mentioned earlier, it's too kde-centric.08:40
nisells: /usr/src/linux/ is usually a soft link to /usr/src/<kernel-variant-name>08:40
deFryskdin, too complex for me hehe08:40
ellsokay08:40
ellsgot it08:40
ellsnis: so it shoulg be /usr/src/2.6.1008:41
eyequeuen4cht:  weeks ago i saw someone having troubles with it in hoary ... i suspect it's fixed now, i don't see that at all any more08:41
eyequeueells:  more like /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.1008:41
n4chtawesome.08:41
ellsokay08:41
ellseyequeue, in console when i got there, I see the headers but not the source08:42
dinwell i'm off to watch tv08:42
dinthe iso has another hour or so anyway08:42
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ellseyequeue, is this what I am looking for08:42
eyequeueells:  if youi installed that deb, you'll ave a .tar.gz file in that dir08:42
lynxxhrm if i close firestarter will it keep running?08:42
eyequeuelynxx:  you're closing the user interface to it, yeah08:42
ellseyequeue: dont see it08:42
ellseyequeue, how can I check for certain08:43
lynxxrgr that08:43
eyequeueells:  you weren't the one i was helping find the source deb, but were you watching and did it?  or maybe that's why you don't have it? :)08:43
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MyNameIsChrisHowdy08:43
eyequeueells: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.12_all.deb08:43
ellseyequeue, totally different man08:43
nisells: I don't have it handy but it has the word 'kernel' in it and at least a piece of the revision number in the name of the kerne source's directory.08:44
eyequeueells:  or fetch that any way you like08:44
ellseyequeue, okay08:44
deFryskells, ls /usr/src/08:44
MyNameIsChrisWhat package is required for mp3 support in rhythmbox (warty)?08:44
eyequeueells:  then when you dpkg -i that deb, you'll have that tarball there08:44
deFryskgive the output08:44
ellseyequeue, thanks08:44
eyequeueells:  np08:45
nisdin|tv: latz08:45
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samatmanprobably just a codec08:45
samatmanlike lame08:45
samatmanbut i have no idea for sure08:46
deFryskmylesbraithwaite, gstreamer-mad08:46
eyequeuei think i need to seriously consider messing with the livecd and hoary sound again08:46
deFryskI think08:46
eyequeuei've been putting it off, being tired08:46
samatmananyone here use wine wiht ubuntu?08:46
eyequeuesamatman:  not me, but i definitely see people do it all the time, including with "cedega"08:47
samatmanwork with games well?08:47
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eyequeueyeah, they say cedega is great for that08:47
eyequeuei'm not a gamer myself08:47
samatmanwhat's cedega?08:47
eyequeuethe renaming of "winex"  after some license change or something08:47
deFryskMyNameIsChris, gstreamer-mad08:47
samatmanahh08:48
eyequeuei don't know the difference between wine and winex, but they're very related08:48
MyNameIsChrisdeFrysk, cheers08:49
eyequeuei'm surprised some gamer hasn't piped up by now, heh08:49
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samatmanhehehe08:49
samatmanarthur just left too08:49
samatmanj/k08:49
deFryskMyNameIsChris, also read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats08:49
lobo_nzI think the winex/cedega has support for directx -> opengl translation whereas wine does not08:49
eyequeueah08:49
MyNameIsChrisdeFrysk, Yeah, I understand mp3 is not free08:50
MyNameIsChrisBut it is the only format my portable player supports08:50
eyequeuesamatman:  daytime your timezone definnitely has some gamers in here08:50
samatmancool08:50
samatmanif i have internet acces then i'll come by08:50
samatmanrigh tnow i have a long cable dropping through the hallway08:50
samatmandrooping08:50
samatmanany good virtual cd drive apps for mounting images?08:51
lynxxyou guys have any program reccomendations?08:51
eyequeuelynxx:  i like cat ;)08:51
samatmancat?08:51
eyequeuecat (1)              - concatenate files and print on the standard output08:51
lynxxic08:51
eyequeuels (1)               - list directory contents08:51
eyequeuethat's another nice one, heh08:51
eyequeuelynxx:  don't take me too seriously there ... but what did you want it to do?08:52
eyequeueseriously, firefox, if you haven't tried it08:52
lobo_nzsamatan: mount is good for that08:52
samatmanmount will mount images?08:53
samatmanwowee08:53
samatmanMS can suck it08:53
lobo_nziso, there is a howto on ubuntu wiki08:53
samatmanahh08:53
samatmanwhat about other formats?08:53
eyequeuesamatman:  man mount, and scroll through the parts that don't apply, but you'll see how terribly powerful that command can be08:53
eyequeuesamatman:  most anything you can imagine, just type "man mount"08:53
lobo_nznot sure but I use bin2iso to convert bin images so I can mount them08:54
samatmancoo08:54
samatman.bin that was the other one08:54
wdhlobo_nz, man bin2iso ?08:54
wdhlobo_nz, nevermind..08:54
wdhmisread.. just came out of bed08:55
wdh:D08:55
lobo_nzI downloaded it and compiled it from somewhere, I have it if you want it, its a small program08:55
Fackamatowhat's the limitation with linux and image formats?08:55
Fackamatoit can only mount .iso afaik08:55
Fackamatois it the mount command, the loopback device, or what08:55
eyequeueFackamato:  like bzimage?08:55
eyequeueFackamato:  like bzimage?08:55
eyequeueFackamato:  scratch that, i was thinking kernel image, you were not08:56
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IRCNinjaMonkeyHello I was wondering if someone can help me out?08:56
samatmanok08:56
samatmani downloaded the kernel source .deb package, ran that command and found a tarball in my /usr/src directory08:57
samatmanput that through file roller...and got squat08:57
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: go ahead.08:57
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IRCNinjaMonkeyI have a 40 gig hdd currentl formated in fat 32 (was ntfs) and for some odd reason when I go to put Ubuntu on it it only sees it as a 2.1 gb drive08:57
IRCNinjaMonkeywith it formatted either way08:58
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nissamatman: bzcat file.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf -   (or substitute 'zcat' there for .tar.gz)08:58
n4chtok.  i'm back from taking my unpupu.  the hoary iso is done burning.  now to check it, and then install!08:58
n4chtit burned properly.  wee.08:58
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n4chtbe back in about 30 mins or so.08:58
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: that's odd.08:59
IRCNinjaMonkeyand I don't have a way to format it to any of the linux filesystems at this moment... that I now of08:59
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IRCNinjaMonkeyand the drive works in windows08:59
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: boot the install media and dd the first meg with zeros to wipe it clean.08:59
eyequeueIRCNinjaMonkey:  actually, you do have a way, probably08:59
eyequeueIRCNinjaMonkey:  the install disk does formatting, if you ask it to09:00
IRCNinjaMonkeyconfused about nis' response09:00
IRCNinjaMonkeyyes but it will only register it as a 2.1 gb drive09:00
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: I told you how to restore the disk to factory nothingness.  Would destroy entire drive contents but would allow Linux a fair crack at it.09:00
vince`rhythmbox doesn't start when as long as a blank cd is in the drive.. very strange09:01
eyequeueIRCNinjaMonkey:  question number one: is there anything on the disk that you need to save?09:01
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nisIRCNinjaMonkey: dd will (should) be available from a linux boot diskette or LiveCD image.09:01
IRCNinjaMonkeyit's my backup disk currently for winblows09:01
IRCNinjaMonkeywhat is dd?09:01
samatmanso nothing worth saving  :P09:01
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: it is like rawrite.exe09:01
Quinn_Stormif its only showing as 2.1 gb, it sounds like he has an old bios.09:01
eyequeueIRCNinjaMonkey:  let me rephrase, is this a disk you plan to blow away to put linux on?  or only a piece of it?  or??09:01
IRCNinjaMonkeynot really I still have all of my mp3s on my windows partition09:02
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: writes directly to disk sectors.09:02
nisQuinn_Storm: yeah.09:02
IRCNinjaMonkeyblow away09:02
eyequeuedd (1)               - convert and copy a file09:02
Fackamato8 instances of burnP6 on my 2.6@3.2ghz p4 smp-kernel machine09:02
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IRCNinjaMonkeyand for some odd reason my live disk for ubuntu does not work and my bios is fairly new my comp is an Nforce 2 board09:03
nis'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=(big megabytes here) count=1' as root in Linux will generally allow the disk to be used if it is entirely unsalvageable otherwise.09:03
croplogic does anyone know wich release of Debian, Ubuntu is based on? I'm assuming woody?09:03
nis(big megabytes here) is probably overkill. ;)09:04
niscroplogic: much more recent09:04
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: what model/make drive? technology ATA/IDE?09:04
IRCNinjaMonkeyide and I believe that it is a segate but not sure haven't touched the thing since my old pc09:05
samatmandoes hoary have a graphical disk manager?09:05
samatmanoh..never mind, it automatically mounted09:05
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: about what year was the drive made?09:05
lynxxany suggestions on brand of round ide cables?09:06
IRCNinjaMonkeyhmm I would say that it's about 5 years old I think09:06
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: should be seen accurately then.09:06
IRCNinjaMonkeyubuntu sees my nice new 120 gb western digital though09:06
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: did linux kernel boot at all?09:06
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FackamatoIRCNinjaMonkey: are you talking about the harddrive or the partitions?09:07
IRCNinjaMonkeyyeah I can install on the 2.1 gb and get it running, granted it goes a little slow and retardedly slow on the internet09:07
samatmanhow do i toss a directory with stuff in it?09:08
IRCNinjaMonkeyI know that I was able to put an older version of SuSE on it09:08
samatmanohh, never mind09:08
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: might be profitable to record what fdisk says, to disk.09:08
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: sounds like a kernel snafu.09:08
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ForeyDownload the latest version of messenger plus released March 16th , 200509:09
Forey> http://www.msgplus.net/download_contest.php?id=632709:09
ForeyDownload the latest version of messenger plus released March 16th , 200509:09
Forey> http://www.msgplus.net/download_contest.php?id=632709:09
IRCNinjaMonkeyhmm do you think I could format it using the older SuSE version to a file system that is native to linux and then try ubuntu?09:09
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nisIRCNinjaMonkey: absolutely.09:09
IRCNinjaMonkeygranted if SuSE sees it as a 40 gig hdd09:09
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: put debian woody on it.09:09
IRCNinjaMonkeywoody the net install?09:10
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: then u'll be in sweet position for ubuntu upgrade from woody.09:10
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: whatever works and sees all 40 gigs.09:10
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IRCNinjaMonkeyunfortunately I am on a campus network and cannot do a net install09:10
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: if it was like Win 95 I'd suggest loadlin.exe09:11
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: debian.crosslink.net has a good archive of older debian install media.09:11
IRCNinjaMonkeyalright I'm gonna try some of the suggestions thanks for the info nis09:12
nisIRCNinjaMonkey: welcome.09:12
samatmanhow do i get a cvs snapshot?09:12
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samatmanoh, i htink i got it09:13
lirazI'm using gnoppix of a live cd... may I still ask some questions in here(I'm having some trouble) as it's based of ubuntu. ?09:14
fangoriousi seem to have lost tap-to-click and virtual-scroll on my synaptics touchpad. doesn't appear to have been a change in my xorg.conf or an update of the driver ...09:14
nissamatman:  'rm -rf dirname' to delete that directory.  'rm -rf' is powerful so use lowest privs needed and type carefully.09:16
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lirazWhen I run an application it shows it loading in gnome and then just dissappears09:17
nisfangorious: try losing gdm and using startx from the console09:17
copilotanyone feel like walking me through setting up an ftp server? someone who has one working preferably.09:18
copilotI'm using warty09:18
niscopilot: proftpd is probably good to go out of the box.09:18
copilotif I have questions would you be willing to field a few?09:18
nisit won't be hardened but it'll do on a LAN. build ur firewall first tho.09:19
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niscopilot: I haven't looked at mine but sure I can tell u stuph.09:19
samatmanok, how do i...something i for got09:19
nis(haven't looked at it in a while I mean)09:19
samatmanoh yes, how do i repoint a link?  (the /lib/modules/[kernel version] /build09:19
copilotI have to access it from school, the teacher threw setting up an ftp and an http server onto the mid term.. we haven't discussed either of them09:20
copilotIt just needs to work for about an hour tomorrow.09:20
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nissamatan mv link link-old ; ln -s /my/new/path . (if 'path' is good here) or  'ln -s /my/new/path newname' if not.09:20
copilotthanks btw, i'll throw some questions at you if/when they hit me09:20
nisrgr. no problem copilot.09:21
samatmanjust move the file and make a new link?09:21
nissamatman: yes.09:21
nissamatman: eventually you'll 'rm linkname' if u like09:22
nis(links take 'rm' rather than 'rmdir')09:22
nissoft links I mean.09:22
nis ;)09:22
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nis'ln -s' links softly; 'ln' links hardly.09:22
nissomebody shoot me for that one.09:23
lirazanyone here use live cd who could perhaps help?09:23
croplogicKubuntu live?09:23
samatmanhere's to hoping09:24
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lirazI'm using gnoppix but was told it's based of ubuntu09:24
lirazjust that none of my pograms will run -- very weird.09:24
samatmani thought gnoppix was way older than ubuntu09:24
lirazI dont know - I'm new to linux09:24
croplogici think its based on its own thing09:25
lirazoh :/09:25
croplogicbut the Kubuntu live cd is based on KNOPPIX09:25
samatmanwhat does 'you must be run' mean?09:26
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nissamatman: you must be root?09:26
samatmanthe readme for a driver says: (with kernel 2.6 you must be run for both steps09:27
samatmantalking about the make and make install steps09:27
nissamatman: typographical error.09:27
masabbathi everybody. Do you know how I can play a wav file using the shell? I tried play (sox) but it just hangs.09:27
nissamatman: meant to say 'you must be root'09:27
nismasabbat: esdcat file.wav09:28
nis(if esd is installed)09:28
samatmanok, well that doesn't help, i was root and it failed09:28
samatmanthere's no configure step either09:28
nismasabbat: dim the volume or use headphones first tho09:28
nissamatman: are u really root?09:28
samatmana root terminal09:29
nissamatman: login to the console as root or 'su - root' as the user09:29
mdzcroplogic: the Kubuntu live CD is not based on Knoppix, it is based on the Ubuntu live CD09:29
nisthe dash is important.09:29
mdzsamatman: gnoppix is older than Ubuntu.  it was previously based on Morphix, and is now based on Ubuntu09:29
samatmanroot@ubuntu:/home/samatman/at76c503a # make run09:29
samatmanmake: *** No rule to make target `run'.  Stop.09:29
nissamatman: got it.09:30
nissamatman: try 'make run'09:30
samatmantried it09:30
nisoops.09:30
niswhat ur doing?09:30
samatmansame error09:30
nisconcept.09:30
samatmantrying to compile a driver for atmel wireless devices09:30
nis'make'09:30
nis'make all'09:30
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nis(as root if req'd)09:31
samatmanthe at76c503a driver09:31
mdzsamatman: does the driver provided with Ubuntu not work for you?09:31
samatmanit's a root termial i'm doing everything in09:31
samatmanis there one in ubuntu?09:31
nissamatman: su - root09:31
samatmani'm root already09:31
nis(always works here)09:31
nisthe - is important09:31
nisgives a login shell09:32
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samatmanfor a netgear ma101b?09:32
nisestablishes $HOME etc09:32
samatmancool09:32
samatmantrying it again after that now09:32
nisgood.09:33
samatmangiving like 4 pages of errors again09:33
niserrors?09:33
samatmanmake[2] : *** [/home/samatman/at76c503a/at76c503-i3861.o]  Error 109:33
samatmanmake[1] : *** [_module_/home/samatman/at76c503a]  Error 209:33
samatmanmake[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1'09:33
samatmanmake: *** [modules]  Error 209:33
samatmanlast lines09:33
nisright.09:33
nisyour build environment is incomplete.09:33
samatmansays error size of (some variable) unknown09:33
jnoonanyone know wtf these squares with 4 dots in them are? they keep showing up in my email subject lines? must be the font?  when i open the email it looks like its a tab in another font... anyone have any ideas?09:33
samatmanso what do i need to do?09:33
nisthere's a target in dselect to create the build environment.09:33
nisdselect09:34
samatmanok, this is new territory09:34
samatmanwhat do i do?09:34
nisok well this is also harsh territory. don't do anything yet.09:34
samatmanok09:34
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nisfirst we need to know where u are at with ubuntu.09:35
jnoon   < whats that?09:35
samatmanhow do you mean?09:35
nisjnoon: a font yes.  I dont' know yet why.09:35
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nissamatman: what stage are u at in installing ubuntu?09:35
samatmanit's installed, i'm using xchat in the very same ubuntu install09:36
nisdselect is way powerful and I'd rather not direct you to cripple it just yet.09:36
samatmanrunnign an ethernet cable across the hall so i can get my wirless working09:36
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samatmanand it's warty btw09:36
nissamatman: here's the thing; dselect probably has lots of stuph selected to install.09:36
agrisheloo does wnyone has canon i250 working on hoary?09:37
nissamatman: do u have much left to install in ubuntu?09:37
samatmanagris, check the camera to see if there is a setting so it functions like a usb thumbdrive09:37
samatmanas far as i know it's totaly intsalled09:37
agrissorry, its a printer09:37
samatmanwell then call me stupid09:38
nissamatman: good. then iterate '=' keypress with 'Q' keypress in dselect.09:38
samatmanand don't do that09:38
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nis;)09:38
samatmaniterate?09:38
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jnoonhow can i get rid of bullshit characters in my text files that look like this:09:38
n4chtok... i'm back.09:38
n4chtrunning hoary.09:38
n4cht:D09:38
nissamatman: iterate just means to do it repeatedly (in this case, alternating).09:38
samatman= q = q = q = q ?09:38
n4chtonly problem is... it never asked me to set a root pw.  is there a default root pw?09:38
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nissamatman: the '=' keybinding, in dselect, puts a package on  'hold' (dont' install now, don't delete now).09:39
jnoonsame pass as main acct09:39
jnoonsudo -s09:39
n4chtnevermind.  it's the same as my new user pass.09:39
n4chthaha09:39
samatmann4cht, it doesn't set up a root account right away09:39
samatmanyeah09:39
nissamatman: the Q keybinding forces the current dependencies to take effect.09:39
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nis(it is an override)09:39
nisYou'll see the need for that momentarily. ;)09:39
n4chtwow.  ubuntu is FAST.09:39
samatmanok, = made a beep, and q moved the highlight to the quit option09:40
nisn4cht: yay09:40
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nissamatman: Q not q09:40
samatmanoh09:40
jnoonis it smart to only keep extra repos active when you need something from them, and keep the default repos active at all other times? or is it safe to keep all repos active at all times?09:40
lynxxO.o09:40
samatmansame result09:40
lynxxalmost 1am already09:40
nisjnoon: keep all09:40
samatman- beeps, and Q doesn't do anything except keep the cursor on the Quit option09:40
jnoonnis so basically the more the merrier?09:41
dougsklynxx: I was trying to avoid that knowledge  (must get up early)09:41
nissamatman: sorry. you have to be in SELECT for any of this to make sense.09:41
nisjnoon: look at /var/cache/apt/archives/09:41
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lynxxso do i dougsk09:41
samatmanok, chose select, do i press enter to leave help?09:41
nissamatman: I think (S)elect is a hotkey.09:42
n4chtawcrap.  now i have to remember how to manually write a fstab entry for my mepis partition.09:42
samatmanlet me hold up for a minute09:43
samatmandoes ubuntu come with a dirver for prism2 wireless usb devices?09:43
n4chtnow, if my mepis partition is reiserfs, it _has_ to be mounted as such, right?  i couldn't mount it as ext3, or anything safely, could i?09:43
dougsksamatman:  I believe so09:44
dougskat least I have the kernel modules listed samatman.  I haven't tried to see if they work09:44
agrisdoes anyone has working canon i250 printer in hoary?09:45
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syn-acksamatman: It can only be mounted as the type of filesystem installed on that partition09:46
samatmanoh well anyways nis09:46
samatman= changes the screen, and Q quits to themain menu again09:46
n4chtsyn-ack, that was me that asked.  but yeah.   i figured it out.  :)09:46
n4chtSysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm)  1249.510 MHz | Bogomips: 2465.79 | Mem: 133/251M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 41.58G Free: 29.55G | Procs: 69 | Uptime: 26 mins 6 secs | Load: 0.06 0.42 0.64  | Vpenis: 25.2 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]  (rev a3) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 7.81M Out: 0.26M09:47
n4chtyayyyy09:47
samatmando i need a different source for an amd64?09:48
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gardio1anyone know the default password and username for cups?09:48
n4chtinstalling the nvidia drivers is fun.  not.09:48
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gardio1ie when accessing it through the web http://localhost:631/admin09:49
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dougskn4cht: it's that nvidia-glx-config enable bit wasn't it?09:51
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nisbah.09:51
niswhat'd I miss?09:51
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samatmannothing09:51
nisthe dialup line will drop again in 2 mins. be back about 15 mins.09:52
samatmandselect doesn't seem to be doing anything, as soon as i hit Q it goes to a quit screen09:52
pinPointwhy the heck does removing totem take out ubuntu desktop with it????09:52
nisI have clients to wake up and the daemon is doing its job. ;)09:52
samatmanor back to the main menue09:52
samatmanmenu09:52
nis(it's 0352 hours here local time)09:52
SeveaspinPoint, because ubuntu-desktop depends on totem09:52
Seveasbut it is safe to remove ubuntu-desktop09:52
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samatmanso lsmod lists the modules installed?09:53
SeveaspinPoint, in hoary this behaviour has changed, there ubuntu desktop depends on totem-gstreamer OR totem-xine09:53
Seveassamatan, no09:53
Seveasjust the modules LOADED09:53
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dougskarse yeah I was about to say yes thanks Seveas09:53
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PD_Hi there09:54
Seveashi09:54
samatmanoh, ok09:54
PD_I installed ubuntu on my laptop yestearday09:54
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PD_Every things working fine09:54
samatmanok...how do i find out if there is a module for a prism2 chipset wireless device?09:54
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Seveasthe modules installed can be seen with ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ (warning: gives a lot of output)09:54
PD_but i get some error messages when booting during the hotplug subsystem09:54
Seveassamatman, there is09:54
dougsksamatman: modprobe prism2_usb09:55
SeveasPD_, about hw_random, shpchp and pciehp?09:55
samatmanand...if i have an amd 64, do i need a special sort of kernel sources?09:55
PD_it says error inserting module pciehp, shpchp09:55
nissamatman: dselect may have packages selected.  a final ENTER keypress probably will bring up a list of things to INSTALL.  Select INSTALL from the main menu.  If it says nothing to install (three 0's for install, remove, upgrade) you're golden.  BB at 0905 UTC.09:55
PD_yes exactly Seveas09:55
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samatmanwhat does the probe do?09:55
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SeveasPD_, add pciehp and shpchp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, the errors are harmless and adding them to the blacklist removes them :)09:55
samatmandanke09:55
dougskloads the kernel module09:55
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Fackamatonn09:56
nissamatman: pt was to de-select every last package in dselect before we start finding you a build-all type of virtual package in dselect so you have a proper c Compiler etc bison flex all that.09:56
Seveassamatman, if the module must always be loaded, add it to /etc/modules09:56
PD_ok thanks Seveas09:56
n4cht:O  there's no gkrellm!  bah on that!  now i gotta compile it from source.09:56
samatmannow...how do i hook up my device iwth the module?09:56
Seveasnis, apt-get install build-essential :)09:56
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nisSeveas: YES.09:56
nisdo that.09:56
nisbye.09:56
PD_one more thing, when I run top it says XFree86 takes 3.5%MEM and 2.0PU09:56
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PD_is this normal09:57
samatmanahh, so i was going to unselece everything?09:57
SeveasPD_, yes09:57
samatmandoesn't the = key select something?  or add it?09:57
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dougskat which point, I don't know wireless very well but I'll pretend it's an etherent card, you should be able to do the ifconfig ethX 192.168.x.x netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add default gw 192.168.x.1 or something like that09:57
Seveassamatman, don't use dselect if you don't know it, rather try synaptic (graphical interface) or aptitude (terminal based)09:57
PD_thatks Seveas, this was the best help I got from internet for a long time09:57
Seveas:o)09:57
n4chtwow.  the ubuntu apt sources don't have any of my favorite stuff!  no gkrellm, no fluxbox, nada.09:58
samatmanso dselect does the same thing as synaptic? ahh, ok09:58
Seveasn4cht, have you enabled the universe??09:58
dougskrather I think it's a different thing rather than eth though it's wlan or something <shrug> I dunno09:58
n4chti have to do what now?09:58
Seveasenable universe09:58
Seveas:)09:58
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Seveasdo you run warty or hoary?09:58
n4chti'm running hoary.09:59
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PD_I wouls also like to mention UBUNTU on my HP nx7010 detected everything just out of the box, bluetooth, the scrol on touchpad all09:59
xamdmneed help, skype with hoary ...09:59
PD_*would09:59
n4chtit's apparent at this point that i might have missed some critical part of installing beyond getting the base system up and running.09:59
Seveasn4cht, add the following lines to /etc/apt/sources.list09:59
samatmanhow do i get a list of all the modules available to be loaded?10:00
Seveasdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse10:00
Seveasdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse10:00
Seveasdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse10:00
Seveasdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse10:00
pinPointSeveas: depends, shouldnt it be the other way around10:00
SeveaspinPoint, what do you mean?10:00
BEASTI use ubuntu and I love it,,, How about you ?!!!10:01
SeveasBEAST, likewise :)10:01
pinPointtotem being part of Ubuntu10:01
jsgotangcono i hate it10:01
n4chti don't have to add them.  they're already there with hoary.  i just need to uncomment.10:01
n4chthawt.10:01
jsgotangco:)10:01
dougskBeast, ditto10:01
samatmanuncomment them where?10:01
pinPointi thought ubuntu was the main package that carries all of them10:01
lynxxaight time for me to go guys10:01
lynxxpc out10:01
n4chtin sources.list10:01
SeveaspinPoint, you obviously do not understand the packaging system completely :)10:01
Seveasubuntu-desktop is merely a meta-package that just depends: on all desktop stuff10:02
Seveasthe package itself is pretty useless10:02
Seveasok, then just uncomment them n4cht10:02
Seveasthen run sudo apt-get update10:02
pinPointbut I use another player, why should I have to take ubuntu down with it10:02
lynxxapt-get > ALL :D10:02
Seveaset voila, you have gkrellm and lots more10:02
n4chtwoo!  there we go.  thanks for dropping me a clue on that one Seveas.  after a quick apt-get update, i was able to get gkrellm.10:02
SeveaspinPoint, then just don't remove totem10:03
pinPointwhat10:03
pinPointi hate it and want it out10:03
pinPointi cant take it out?10:03
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pinPointwithout affecting ubuntu10:03
BEASTTotem is not the best but that does not mean you have to remove it, because it's still ok,10:03
SeveaspinPoint, removing ubuntu-desktop does not affect the rest of the system10:03
BEASTam I right ?10:04
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BEASTam I not right ?10:04
pinPointSeveas: but I want sound for my login and since i have run level 5 i want ubuntu10:04
SeveasBEAST, if it doesn't give you space troubles, it;s indeed better to keep it10:04
SeveaspinPoint, removing ubuntu-desktop does not remove anything10:04
Seveasjust the DUMMY PACKAGE ubuntu-desktop10:04
pinPointbut i use xine and dislike totem with passion10:04
SeveaspinPoint, apt-get install totem-xine :)10:05
Seveastotem with xine backend10:05
pinPointno, just xine10:05
pinPointi dont understand, i want totem out and ubuntu desktop still there10:05
n4chtahh.  there we go.  now i have xmms, gkrellm, and i managed to add the proper fstab entry to mount my mepis partition where all my music is!10:05
SeveaspinPoint, that is impossible10:05
pinPointis that hard to do really?10:05
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BEASTWell,, There is a specialty in totem that it still have some codecs which aren't available in any other media players,10:05
Seveasyes10:05
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n4chtnow i've got a functioning desktop just the way i like it.10:05
Seveasbit it does your system no harm to remove ubuntu-desktop10:06
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pinPointits like saying i cant remove Windows Media player10:06
pinPointwithout affecting windows10:06
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SeveaspinPoint, you CAN remove it10:06
n4chti also like this not actually being able to login as root thing.   it keeps me from forgetting the dangers thereof.10:06
Seveasand it DOES NOT affect ubuntu10:06
Seveasplease start listening...10:06
Seveaslol n4cht  :)10:06
BEASTI have an other lappy and a redhat 9 installed on it,,, Having a major problem in grub I guess,, Looking for help, can anyone help please ?10:06
pinPointso whats the different between ubuntu and ubuntu desktop10:07
pinPointdesktop;s a theme?10:07
vitalisHey everyone! I've just installed Hoary, and everything works great apart from Gnome 'feels' slow.Like windows redraw slow etc. But I don't see any processes that are out of control10:07
Seveasubuntu-desktop is a DUMMY PACKAGE10:07
SeveaspinPoint, this is one of the marvels of .deb packaging10:07
BEASTTo not make trouble let's private message,10:07
vitalisAnybody else seeing this problem?10:07
Seveasubuntu-desktop is a useless package, but the stuff it depends on makes up a fine desktop10:07
pinPointa marvel?10:08
pinPointhmm10:08
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BEASTI'm not chatting in redhat channel 'cause their ighnoring me,,,10:08
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gardio1Anybody know about remotely accessing cups?10:08
SeveaspinPoint, just do it: apt-get remove totem10:08
Seveasand you'll see10:08
pinPointSeveas: will i have my nice sound system and login screen10:08
Seveasyes10:08
pinPointwith the ubuntu logo10:08
SeveasNOTHING will be removed10:08
BEASTcan anyone help me with my grub please ?10:08
Seveasjust totem10:08
Seveasand a dummy package10:08
BEASThello !!10:09
SeveasBEAST, what exactly is the problem (except for having installed RH9)10:09
nisah.10:09
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Seveaswb :)10:09
BEASTI'm not asking how to install redhat,10:09
nisSeveas: tnx.10:09
BEASTI'm having a problem with booting,10:09
nisfrickin wake-up callz10:10
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n4chtwow.  wowowowow.  gdesklets... actually working.  holy crap.  i think i'm in love with ubuntu.10:10
SeveasBEAST, i know, but what is the problem with grub? if you dont tell the problem, we can't help :)10:10
KarlosIIwhere do i get the libdvdcss decryption so I can play dvds?10:10
BEASTI'm supposed to see the grub booting list to either boot to windows or linux,,10:10
Seveasrofl n4cht10:10
nisSeveas: good catch on that virt package name.10:10
SeveasKarlosII, marillat10:10
n4chtubuntu is working exactly the way i frickin' expect it to.  that has me totally baffled.10:10
n4chtand it's FAST.10:10
KarlosII.. what the deb src address or where do I find that info?10:10
vitalisDoes anybody know why hoary windows readraw slowly?? should I go back to another distro, because this doesn't work properly.10:10
niswhat will 'google marillat' produce? zero clue here.10:10
Seveasdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main10:11
Seveasdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main10:11
Dougcan_lol n4cht, same here10:11
BEASTWhen I reboot a blank screen shows a word "GRUB" and that's it,10:11
Seveashmm10:11
BEASTIt freezes at that point,10:11
samatmanbeast, you use warty right?10:11
n4chti also totally dig that ya'll are patient with me during this phase of absolute amazement... but that's probably because you all went through it too.  :P10:11
samatmanoh, freezes?  never mind i'm out10:11
BEASTwhat> ?10:11
Seveascan you enter commands with the keyboard?10:11
BEASTwhat's warty10:12
Seveasafter seeing GRUB>10:12
maddlergooooooooooooodmorning ubuntu!10:12
samatmannever mind me, just listen to seveas10:12
SeveasBEAST, warty is the Ubuntu 4.10 version10:12
maddler:D10:12
Seveasgooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning maddler10:12
vitalisi'll take this as "go back to fedora" then ;)10:12
samatmanand btw, the numbers on the versions are releas dates10:12
Seveasvitalis, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo10:12
samatmanvitalis it redraws fast on mine10:12
BEASTBy the way,,, I said already that redhat channel are ighnoring me that's why I'm asking in the ubuntu channel,10:13
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samatmanbut i have an amd64 280010:13
Dougcan_I like Ubuntu, it does what I want10:13
SeveasBEAST, can you answer my question please10:13
Seveascan you enter commands with the keyboard?10:13
Seveasafter seeing GRUB>10:13
samatmanok, i was spacing out earlier (damn whiskey)10:13
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BEASTthis problem is in the other machine which redhat 9 is installed in it,10:13
samatmanum, how do i get a list of all available modules?   not just ones loaded but ones installed and not loaded?10:13
BEASTnope,10:13
BEASTI can't10:13
vitalisi know fedora is crap, but the redrawing was crisp etc. this laptop feels awful with ubuntu10:13
Seveasweird10:13
Dougcan_however I do have a small problem that's driving me nuts.10:13
Dougcan_I installed some development software using synaptic10:14
pinPointthanks Seveas10:14
pinPointbbll10:14
SeveasBEAST, so you can't do anything after seeinng the word "grub"?10:14
vitalisif I alt+tab to a firefox window for example, i can see the window draw down the screen.10:14
Seveasand it is a redhat-only system?10:14
Dougcan_so in the Gnome application menu I should see a "programming" sub menu right?10:14
samatmani think that's an effect done on purpose vitalis10:14
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Seveassamatman, i don't think so10:15
samatmanit does it on my fast machine too10:15
Dougcan_in my case I cannot see the stuff I installed and there's no "programming" sub menu10:15
Seveasvitalis, what kind of graphics chip do you have?10:15
vitalissamatman, i doubt it. never seen it with warty,fedora, etc10:15
samatmanbut it goes really fast10:15
vitalisAti x60010:15
vitalisusing the binary drivers10:15
Dougcan_what do I have to do to get it to show up?10:15
Seveasah ok10:15
Seveasself compiled drivers?10:15
BEASTseveas are you reading me in the private message ?10:15
samatmani get that black outline that shrinks wiht warty and hoary6410:15
samatmananyways10:15
SeveasBEAST, i don't read PM's sorry10:15
vitalisSeveas, I installed them from synaptic10:16
Seveasok10:16
BEASTok10:16
Seveashave you updated your xorg config too vitalis ?10:16
BEASTSo what to do,10:16
vitalisSeveas, yeah using fglrx10:16
SeveasBEAST, sorry, i don't knoe, I never used red hat10:16
vitalisi get good 3d in xscreeensaver. it's just general desktop usage10:16
Seveasyou mean: using fglrxconfig?10:16
BEASTIt's ok but does anyone else k'now how to solve this problem,10:17
vitalisSeveas, i generated my config with that. the driver is fglrx10:17
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Seveasvitalis, fglrxconfig has screwed up my system (ati too) several times10:17
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Seveasi just take the standard xorg.conf and just change ati to fglrx10:17
vitalisSeveas, how do you generate your xorg.conf?10:17
nis_yeah, sure I'm back. /bah10:17
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Seveasbij installing xserver-xorg :)10:17
nis_cron jobs. gotta love 'em.10:18
Seveasprobably dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg can do the trick too10:18
vitalisSeveas, right, i'll have a go then. cheers mate10:18
Seveasdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that is10:18
nis_heh10:18
vitalisi'll come back and let y'all know how i get on10:19
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ateschaserver irc.cc.tut.fi10:19
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Dougcan_Does anyone here know how to get the gnome application menu to show the stuff that was installed via synaptic?10:19
ateschaups10:19
atescha:)10:19
samatmanso if 'modprobe prism2_usb' doens't return anything, does that mean it worked and there was a module by that name/10:20
Seveassamatman, if you type echo $? it must say 010:20
Seveasthat means success10:20
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Seveasbut you must type it DIRECTLY AFTER modprobe10:20
samatmanwith the question mark?10:20
umarmungDougcan_: login/logout or pkill gnome-panel, it should show up then10:20
Seveasyes samatman10:21
nissamatman: maybe .. try 'tail -f /var/log/<file> where <file> is an appropriate log.10:21
n4chthm.  adding starters to starterbar doesn't seem to be working.10:21
n4chtthat's mildly irritating, but probably minor.10:21
samatmanyeah, it returned 010:21
SeveasDougcan_, it only shows thing with a menu entry in the package10:21
Dougcan_umarmung, I did that, no go.  When I installed Xine, that worked and it showed up fine, but the development tools I installed still won't show up10:21
nisSeveas: ooh!  echo $? huh?10:22
Seveasif you want to add more entries yourself, Amaranth has a nice editor for that10:22
Seveasnis, echo $? prints the exit status of the previous command, 0 means success (usually)10:22
samatmanbut i still show nothing with wireless extensions10:22
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nisIve always wanted to know how to test for the exit 1 condx ;)10:22
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Seveassamatman, iwconfig gives no output?10:22
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umarmungDougcan_: which development tools did you install exactly?10:22
samatmanit lists loopback and my two wired cards, but nothing else10:23
Seveasnis, read a simple shell tutorial10:23
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samatmanbut says they ahve no wireless extensions10:23
nachtwindhi10:23
nisSeveas: I have been shell scripting for hum 10 yrs10:23
Seveassamatman, then something else must be wrong10:23
nisbut been lazy for 45. ;)10:23
Seveascan you paste the output of lsusb somewhere??10:23
SeveasNOT in the channel of course10:23
Dougcan_hmm  I guess amaranth isn't on or is sleeping10:23
Amaranthwhat?10:24
Seveasthere he is :)10:24
Dougcan_can you point me to the editor?10:24
samatmani'll put it in a pm10:24
AmaranthI have PMs blocked. :P10:24
samatmanand it is the ma101 i'm trying ot make work10:24
AmaranthDougcan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139010:24
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samatmanit's actually only 3 lines i can put it here if need be10:24
Seveasty Amaranth10:24
Seveasi'll add it to packages.kaarsemaker.net in a bit :)10:24
Dougcan_hi  Amaranth, Seveas was telling me you had an editor for addding application to the gnome menu10:24
AmaranthDougcan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139010:25
Wildthingwhere do i go to set whether a device is activated at startup?10:25
Dougcan_Amaranth, got it, going there now10:25
Wildthingie ethernet card/wireless card10:25
samatmanseveas do you need that output in the main channel ?10:25
SeveasWildthing, in /etc/network/interfaces10:25
Wildthingexcellent10:25
Wildthingthank you10:26
Seveassamatman, no, just hold on for a sec10:26
_d4vidhaya oll :p10:26
djpone well pissed off ubuntu/linux user here! i have just spent the best part of the last hour and a half completing an important report, using openoffice. just as i was almost finished typing the report ... freeze! machine lock up! will now have to start all over again! is this a problem that is down to me turning to linux or is it due to the instability of ubuntu wart? is it a kernel issue? i am using the kernel specfic to k7 pro10:26
djpcessors. is it openoffice? i suspect it is more to do with oo, as it seems it is when running that app that freeze ups occur with this machine! can somebody advise what this problem may be?10:26
nachtwindsmall question: is it hard to move /home/... to a new partition and activate quota for it?10:26
nisSeveas: why does (exec sh ./myscript.sh > errlog 2>&1 &) && sleep 4 && exit > /dev/null 2>&1   work in gentoo but not ubuntu?10:26
samatmanok10:26
copilotftp://67.175.158.19:21  anonymous     test please10:26
nis(at Linux Console)10:26
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nis(myscript.sh is a copy of startx with no gdm/xdm running)10:27
Wildthingthat's why you always save :(10:27
Tomcat_I don't trust any operating system so much that I wouldn't save after every line... but I guess that doesn't help You now. :I10:27
nis(script is supposed to start X11 and logout of that console)10:27
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n4chtbrb.  trying out fluxbox on ubuntu10:28
samatmanyummy caffinated pepsi10:28
Seveassamatman, try this http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/howto/howto-5.html#ss5.110:28
samatmanbrb10:28
Seveasnis, don't knoe10:28
pepsisamatman, hi10:28
pepsi;)10:28
samatmanyeah, i was hoping ot avoid the compiling route10:28
Seveasit looks weird though10:28
vitalisstill no luck with X. it was fine for the first few seconds, but then the slow redraws came back10:28
samatmanoh...wow, didn't notice there was a pepsi in chanel10:28
pepsihehe10:28
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nisvitalis: what does /var/log/X<foo> say?10:29
djpWildthing: yeah, sure... do you know by chance if there is an auto save feature with openoffice? just that with ms word there was always the chance of recovering a document if the system fell over...10:29
scizzodjp: which openoffice?10:29
samatmani realy oughta start reading before i speak10:29
Seveasvitalis, no clues from dmesg too?10:29
djpscizzo: 1.1.210:29
scizzodjp: did you run anything else then openoffice?10:30
Wildthingummm not sure djp10:30
samatmanFATAL: Module usbvnetr not found.10:30
scizzodjp: have looked to see how stable your machine actually is configured?10:30
WildthingSeveas, do i just change the order of this interfaces file?10:30
samatmanso it's got a prism2_usb but not that one there10:30
vitalisnis, seveas, i don't see any obvious errors. anything in particular i should look for?10:30
djpscizzo: i think that rhythmbox may have been running before oo, not sure though....10:30
samatmani'm guessing the particulars of my prism device don't work with the generic chipset driver then?10:30
scizzodjp: have you looked in dmesg and syslog for information about problems that might be causing the machine to crash?10:31
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niscopilot: doesn't allow anonymous10:31
djpscizzo: this sounds very useful. how do i go about checking this?10:31
nisvitalis: they over-report in that log.  hard to say. you want accelerated vid tho.10:31
scizzodjp: have you kept track of the load avarege when using Linux and see if there might be a good chance that some applications or application might make the load go sky high?10:31
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vitalishere's the warnings from Xorg.log: http://pastebin.ca/813210:32
nisvitalis: if u want to email it to me I can browse it.10:32
nisokay.10:32
scizzodjp: /var/log10:32
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scizzodjp: that is the place where most of the logs are10:32
djpscizzo: will check...10:32
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vitalisnis, do you want to pm me your email?10:33
scizzodjp: using the command "top" you can see the load avarage and the applications running on th machine10:33
djpscizzo: dmsg looks fine, no nasty reports...10:34
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djpscizzo: syslog just looks... well i have no clue what it looks like! ;)10:35
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scizzodjp: syslog tells you what is going on in the system mostly...10:36
scizzodjp: open a terminal: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog10:36
scizzodjp: that will tail the syslog file and you can see what is going on while doing other stuff..10:37
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Tuggyo yo yo10:38
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djpscizzo: yeah, it is telling me things but i know not what! the top command was very nice though!10:40
Amaranthg'night all10:41
Dougcan_Night Amaranth10:41
djpscizzo: a quick question to you, before i get on with finishing this report. would the kernel i use have any bearing? i ask because i am using the linux-k7 kernel, which is supposed to be athlon specific?10:41
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Tugghey, has anyone had problems with graveman?10:42
Dougcan_Have to get back to work, thanks for yor help Amaranth and Seveas10:43
scizzodjp: what kind of report is that?10:43
Tuggit tried burning an ISO with it and it failed 2 times10:43
Tuggnautilus burned it though10:43
scizzodjp: I don't know...I am not using k710:43
scizzoTugg: hmmm...that needs a bit more information.10:44
Tuggand I just installed gnomebaker (which is freaking nice) and it worked just fine10:44
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KarlosIIdumb question, but what is an absolute URL?10:44
scizzoTugg: how does the burning fail?10:44
n4chtsay cheese.  :D10:44
scizzoTugg: what does the application tell you?10:44
Tugggraveman doesnt say why10:44
scizzoTugg: so it burns the CD but it fails?10:45
Tuggit just says disk failed and then ejects it10:45
djpscizzo: it is just a kernal compiled specifically for athlon processors available via apt-get. just wondered if that would be an issue.10:45
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Tuggthe first time it stopped half way through10:45
scizzoTugg: weird10:45
n4chthttp://wretched.ws/ubflux.png  <- my fresh, brand new, sexified fluxbox ubuntu desktop.  (provided ubuntu doesn't have any sort of firewall that blocks port 80, that link should work.)10:45
Pizbitdjp: Unlikely, always put in your kernel version in any report concerning kernels anyway (uname -r)10:46
Tuggthe second time it was right before fixating10:46
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scizzodjp: I know how the kernels are done in ubuntu....my question to you is....have you tried looking at the load avarege and then run openoffice again while doing that?10:46
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Pizbitn4cht: Wow, you *really* need to get a decent gtk2 theme going:)10:46
HeavenWarriorguys someone to have tried new gnome 2.1010:46
scizzodjp: or you are reporting something like: "My machine crashed! and I don't know why!"10:47
nisn4cht: it's not blocked10:47
n4chtPizbit, why would i want a gtk2 theme going on fluxbox?10:47
n4chtthat kinda defeats the purpose of running a lightweight wm.10:47
Tugggnomebaker is really nice though, I didn't know it had this many features10:47
Pizbitn4cht: Er, because you're using xchat which uses gtk2?10:47
nisn4cht: get the VGA font for that xterm. ;)10:47
HeavenWarriorcuase i've a problem with gnome applets transparency ;(10:47
lindocould anyone help me, i get an entire black screen when i try to run Enemy Territroy ???10:48
Tugglindo, do you have proper 3d support?10:48
samatmanok, what do i have to do to build the module?10:48
samatmancoz nothing is working10:48
lindoi think so10:48
samatmanhow do i get that build environment?10:48
Pizbitlindo: Kill off any sound daemons first.10:48
lindopizbit, how ? :P10:48
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Tuggtype glxgears at CLI and tell us the output10:48
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Tuggit should be in the 2000-3000 range10:49
djpscizzo: is it best to use the top command for that?10:49
n4chtthat's actually aterm.  i modified the hell out of it to look like xterm, but with semi-transparency and different colors when focus/unfocused.10:49
lindotugg 6441 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1288.200 FPS10:49
lindo7154 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1430.800 FPS10:49
lindo7181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1436.200 FPS10:49
Tuggalright you have 3d... you using ATI?10:49
lindoyep10:49
Pizbitlindo: killall -9 esd :) Or polypaudio hehe.10:50
n4chti have to admit though, i don't like the way this fluxbox looks.10:50
Tuggthats most likly your problem10:50
PizbitThere's something else too, lemmie dig it up.10:50
djpscizzo: using the top command it shows that while running openoffice my machine is using an average of 2% cpu usage10:50
PizbitTugg: ET gives you black if it can't access the sound properly10:50
lindolol10:50
n4chtnow, if i could just figure out how the heck to install the 'official' nvidia drivers so i could get some 3d going, i'd be happy.10:50
scizzon4cht: getting rid of GTK2 stuff is rather hard....many things today runs either GTK2 or QT10:50
lindopizbit ok ill try and see what happens10:50
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Tuggn4cht, you can use synaptic to get nvidia drivers10:51
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Pizbitecho "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss <or this one, forget which worked for me, but in my case et loaded without giving sound;)> echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss10:51
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n4chtugh.  synaptic.10:52
EricNeonmy wiki front page is still as "Site error",how can I edit it?10:52
Tuggn4cht, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx10:52
Tuggif you prefer CLI10:53
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MyNameIsChrisSorry for my many questions but could someone please tell me how to set up 5.1ch sound in Warty without saying recompile ALSA10:53
n4chtalready did that.  but when i change my xorg.conf to use the nvidia driver, X refuses to start.  i had the same problem in mepis after i upgraded beyond the 2.6.7 kernel.10:53
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Tuggsudo nvidia-glx-config enable10:53
Tugguse that to change your xorg settings10:54
Pizbitn4cht: You need to reinstall the nvidia drivers for xorg10:54
Pizbiter, assuming you changed from using them with xfree to xorg.10:54
MyNameIsChrisDo I have to recompile ALSA?10:54
nachtwindisnt it possible to resize a partition with parted?10:54
n4chtbrb.  tried nvidia-glx-config enable.10:54
lindoPizbit it worked :D:D:D10:55
crimsunMyNameIsChris: what sound card?10:55
MyNameIsChrisIntel ICH510:55
lindopizbit runs smoothly too10:55
TuggI love the theme song to Big O10:55
Pizbitlindo: Sweet, yeah, just disable esd(killing works:)) before running et and then you might want to load it again afterwards.10:55
crimsunMyNameIsChris: got xmms?10:55
lindoexcept the resolution looks weird :P10:55
lindoill try n fix it10:55
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TuggESD seems to cause alot of problems10:55
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Tugglike why mplayer wont work right in hoary10:56
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, No, xine guy10:56
crimsunMyNameIsChris: beep-media-player will suffice, too10:56
PizbitTugg: *cough*mplayer -ao esd*cough*10:56
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, but if it means 5.1 I will experiment10:56
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TuggPizbit, i now how to do that, but trying to use it in firefox crashes it10:56
crimsunMyNameIsChris: are you using straight xine-ui?10:56
dalkusHow do I check if a directory has something mounted on it?10:56
PizbitTugg: Put it into the mplayer config file10:57
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Tuggtried that too10:57
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Yes, apt-installed xine. I think it picked up xine-lib and xine-ui10:57
Pizbit~/mplayer/config 'ao = esd'10:57
PizbitTugg: I find it's more programs expecting OSS that are a pain, alsa/esd ones can be fixed up with dmix and 'aoss esd'10:57
crimsunMyNameIsChris: do you have a wav file handy?10:57
Tuggalright10:57
PizbitOr aoss polypaudio hehe10:57
n4chtok.. X managed to start after using that command.. however, glxgears now fails to function with the error Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".10:57
EricNeonhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/     what sre you seem?10:57
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MyNameIsChrisNo, sorry. Plenty of MP3s10:58
crimsunPizbit: please don't aoss either esd or polypaudio, since both of them provide native alsa backends10:58
Pizbitn4cht: You need to edit xorg.conf according to the nvidia readme10:58
lindoPizbit got it running very good now :D10:58
Pizbitcrimsun: I need to have them dmix'd :P10:58
MyNameIsChrisFor complicated reasons I have to rip my music at another box, not this one10:58
crimsunPizbit: you're just adding unnecessary latency if you do that10:58
lindobut how do i re enable esd ?10:58
crimsunPizbit: then overload default and hw:0,010:58
n4chtPizbit, nvidia-glx-config enable did that for me.  i checked the conf.10:58
Pizbitcrimsun: The only stuff that needs esd/polypaudio don't care about latency10:58
Tuggwell I have been using totem embeded with a little success, but I will have to try Mplayer again (even though it is slower)10:58
kalisI AM SOOO HAPPY NOW! I fixed my problems with Swedish characters in smbfs mounted shares...Weee!10:58
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Pizbitn4cht: Did it add in Load "glx" ?10:59
Pizbitn4cht: Oh, and did you restart X?:)10:59
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Would you like me to grab a wav? I think Gnome's sounds are wavs10:59
crimsunPizbit: true, dmix is a monstrous latency issue.10:59
Pizbitcrimsun: er, "overload default and hw:0,0" ?10:59
djpPizbit: thanks for the kernel command.10:59
n4chtPizbit,  Load    "glx"10:59
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crimsunMyNameIsChris: no biggie.  If you have mpg123 or ogg123 installed, we can work with that.10:59
n4chtit's there.11:00
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Goodie. I appreciate this11:00
Tuggn4cht, is the nvidia kernal module loading?11:00
nisn4cht:  http://www.river.org/~chris/ubuntu/foobar.png11:00
crimsunMyNameIsChris: mpg123 -s something.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -11:00
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Hmm, guess I don't have that11:00
n4chtTugg, yeah.  it loaded.  every time it failed to load before, X wouldn't start at all.  now X is loading fine, just no glx11:00
MyNameIsChrisapt time11:01
djpPizbit: for your info my kernel is 2.6.8.1-5-k711:01
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, xine won't do?11:01
Tugghmm11:01
crimsunPizbit: yep, with ~/.asoundrc || /etc/asound.conf11:01
Tuggis DRI still loading?11:01
Tuggthey can conflict sometimes11:01
Pizbitcrimsun: I have absolutely no idea what you're blathering about with regards to "overload default and hw:0,0", to put my point across bluntly.11:01
Pizbit*grin*11:01
n4chtDRI isn't on the list anymore.11:01
n4chtwait..11:01
n4chtyes it is.11:01
n4chtbah.11:01
PizbitDisable dri, and GLcore11:02
crimsunPizbit: dmix all native alsa apps by default11:02
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Oh, it is a tiny download11:02
n4chtGLCore isn't there.  i removed that straight-away.  that i remembered.   dri is the one i always forget.11:02
Tuggrun dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg11:02
Pizbitcrimsun: I just grabbed a ~/.asoundrc off a webpage:)11:02
crimsunMyNameIsChris: for xine, I'm only familiar with the conf11:02
Tuggthen remove glcore and dri11:02
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Tugg(the above command needs to run sudo)11:03
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Pizbitn4cht: I solve the problem my always using the same config file for any installation etc *grin*11:03
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nisI had to  Option  "omit DPMS"11:03
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MyNameIsChriscrimsun, I hear strange bips and static. Like aliens are tyring to talk to me11:04
n4chtbrb.  restarting X.11:04
nis(xfree/warty)11:04
Tuggxorg.conf is such a finiky file11:04
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Tuggbut it very easy to learn11:04
EricNeonany administrator of ubuntu website here?11:04
nisI didn't have any problems with xorg in gentoo.11:04
crimsunMyNameIsChris: are you using the spdif output?11:04
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, negative11:05
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MyNameIsChris3 3.5mm stereo jacks11:05
MyNameIsChrisor 1/8 inch or whatever the imperial equiv is11:05
EricNeonjdub?11:05
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Tuggdid the nvidia screen load this time?11:05
nisTugg: xorg.conf looks traditional to me.11:06
jdubEricNeon: yo?11:06
n4chtit was the damn DRI.11:06
jdubEricNeon: wiki is being looked at atm11:06
n4cht15446 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3089.200 FPS    hawt!11:06
nisIt's only missing ModeLines.11:06
Tuggyeah11:06
crimsunMyNameIsChris: and you're using -Dplug:surround51 ?11:06
EricNeon?11:06
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, mpg123 -s /home/christopher/Music/LegendsIII\ \(2005\)/01\ I\ Want\ To\ Break\ Free.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -11:07
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Can't listen to Queen without a sub11:07
Pizbithehehe11:07
EricNeonit seems here is :" Error Type11:07
EricNeon    AttributeError"11:07
Tuggn4cht, what video card?11:07
n4chtGeForce 311:07
Tuggnvidia is the only way to go11:08
Pizbitn4cht: *grumble* I get around 751 or so, around 1056 if I use the latest nvidia drivers which have X lockup problems >.<11:08
Tuggwell unless you dont like working drivers11:08
crimsunMyNameIsChris: err, I left out -f cd11:09
n4chtuntil just now, i was starting to doubt that.  one of the whole reasons i switched to ubuntu was being able to get my enemy territory fix.  right now, the mepis copy of nvidia-glx isn't working right.. but i heard that ubuntu has like zero problems with glx.11:09
crimsunMyNameIsChris: mpg123 -s something.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -f cd -11:09
n4chtit came down to either switching to ubuntu, or buying an ATI card.11:09
n4chtheh.11:09
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n4chti'm glad i went with the 'free' option.11:10
Pizbitheh11:10
nisI bought the iMac w/GeForce2 MX without bothering to see if the thing was supported in Linux.  I got lucky. ;)11:10
Tuggi get 3800 fps in glx gears11:10
PizbitOr you could always fall back to using the official nvidia driver package:)11:10
eyequeuei've got a question about the hoary dist-upgrade11:10
Tuggfx 550011:10
nisn4cht: it's the kernel, not ubuntu.11:10
TuggPizbit, but then you have to reinstall everything you update your kernel11:11
Tuggeverytime11:11
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Did I tell you I love you?11:11
eyequeuexserver-xfree86 becomes xserver-xorg, but what happens to the old?  do you have double the drive space used up?11:11
PizbitMeh11:11
n4chtPizbit, i use a custom 2.6.11 kernel w/mepis.   even with the sources, the official package won't build the proper module.11:11
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Well I do11:11
Pizbit2 minutes, tops:)11:11
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Thankyou11:11
MyNameIsChrisVery much11:11
PizbitAnd one doesn't exactly upgrade their kernel very often.11:11
crimsunMyNameIsChris: with xine, there should be a xine-config in $HOME11:11
niseyequeue: no. it overwrites same directory structure.11:12
Tuggubuntu probably have one every month or 211:12
=== n4cht actually upgrade his kernel on a somewhat frequent basis.
crimsunMyNameIsChris: for instance, ~/.xine/config11:12
eyequeuenis:  so the only package that doesn't overlap is the actual xserver-xorg?11:12
PizbitTugg: *shrug* I like to play around and it doesn't bother me in the slightest and I've always distrusted distro packages nvidia drivers.11:12
niseyequeue: diff the .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info11:12
crimsunMyNameIsChris: uncomment the line that begins as: #audio.device.alsa_surround51_device:plug:surround51:011:12
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MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Yeah, I'll check it out. First I will enjoy this11:13
crimsunMyNameIsChris: then restart xine-ui11:13
nis(I mean that *might* work)11:13
n4chtSysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm)  1249.510 MHz | Bogomips: 2465.79 | Mem: 148/251M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 41.58G Free: 29.37G | Procs: 73 | Uptime: 1 hr 51 mins 32 secs | Load: 0.00 0.10 0.16  | Vpenis: 25.2 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]  (rev a3) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 57.62M Out: 4.70M11:13
MyNameIsChrisThanks11:13
PizbitTugg: I thought Kubuntu was a joke when I heard of it first.11:13
eyequeuenis:  that would require having a hoary box, heh .. i'm just anticipating11:13
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nisI needed some spam. snowed in here. ;)11:13
niseyequeue: honestly xorg is X11.11:13
TuggI really like kubuntu they have come along way in a short amount of time11:13
niseyequeue: at worst you'd first purge Xfree.11:13
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niseyequeue: I'd do that part at the console ;)11:14
Tuggit still needs work11:14
eyequeueheh11:14
Pizbiteyequeue: I found a performance boost with glxgears in xorg over xfree myself:)11:14
KarlosIIanyone know if there any major differences between the amd 64 3200+ 939 cpu and the amd 64 3000+ 939 cpu?11:14
nisor at least ssh in from another box when your keyboard and mouse stop responding11:14
TuggKarlosII, yes11:14
Tuggone is a 320011:14
Tuggthe other 300011:14
n4chtok.  time to go download enemy territory, and then go to bed.  thanks for all the help in getting me up and running with ubuntu.  i've never been more impressed with a debian based distro, and knowing there's an active channel where i can share my love for ubuntu makes it all the better.11:15
Tuggbuy the higher one if you can afford it11:15
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PizbitKarlosII: Dunno, but it's possible one has a lot more cache than the other but is the same speed.11:15
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crimsunn4cht: of course you'll be getting version 2.60 with etf ;)11:15
KarlosIIPizbit, yeahI'm not concerned about ghz, just fuctions and featrues11:15
KarlosIIfunctions and features11:16
TuggKarlosII, there is no feature difference11:16
Tugg(i sell pc hardware for a living)11:16
PizbitTugg: As do a trillion other people :)11:16
Tuggand not at best buy (i hate those guys)11:16
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n4chtcrimsun, etf?11:17
crimsunn4cht: etfgame.com11:17
Tuggyes but I work for an intel premier provider, which is the top 2 percent of the country11:17
KarlosIITugg, okie that's what I wanted to know...you noticed I said MAJOR, personally I consider cpu speed insignificant if there is not more then 500 mhz differenc11:17
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, xine-ui decides that it is its duty to recomment that line every time it starts11:17
KarlosIIduty HAHAHAH11:17
CoRzAHey guys I'm having a problem with my screen resolution it's set to 60hz and i cant change it11:17
crimsunMyNameIsChris: then you will need to change the sound config in xine-ui11:17
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, Okay11:18
n4chtholy crap.  etf looks SEXY.11:18
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Tugglol11:18
KarlosIICoRzA, u need to make sure you know FOR absolutely certain that your monitor can support it and add modelines to xorg11:18
CoRzAi am absolutely sure11:18
CoRzAKarlosII, it is supported up to about 85hz but i usually run it at 75hz fine11:19
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CoRzAKarlosII, (in windows anyway)11:19
KarlosIICoRzA, u could use a livecd like Kanotix and copy the XFree86Config-411:19
KarlosIIto your harddrive and then copy the modelines from there11:19
KarlosIII plan on doing that when I have some time11:20
CoRzAoh ok - wouldnt it be easier to somehow edit it?11:20
KarlosIII need to to gte mine upto 100, 21 inch is too big for 8511:20
KarlosIICoRzA, well my way might be faster :)11:20
PizbitHrm, has a date been penciled in for when is Hoary will be released yet?:)11:21
KarlosIIwoot woot11:21
CoRzAKarlosII, i'm not extemely fluent with linux11:21
crimsunPizbit: 6 Apr11:21
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CoRzAbut i'm willing to try11:21
KarlosIIAwwww no April 1st :)11:21
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KarlosIIeheheheheheheh11:21
ikaromojn11:21
crimsunKarlosII: 2 days for RC testing?!11:21
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nisplows really going at it outside11:21
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KarlosIIsame here11:22
CoRzAKanotix is a distro yeah?/11:22
KarlosIIlotsa snow fell in 3 days11:22
KarlosIIand the day b4 there was no snow left on the ground :(11:22
KamionPizbit: we set that date six months ago ;)11:22
KarlosIICoRzA, yeah #kanotix this server11:22
KarlosIIwww.kanotix.com11:22
Tuggapril 6th will be great11:22
nisCoRzA: you have to set horiz and vert sync11:22
PizbitKamion: Heh, as if many people go by release dates set that long ago.11:23
CoRzAargh i dont feel like downloading another distro just now.. lol11:23
CoRzAnis, how?11:23
TuggReinstalls all around the house!!!11:23
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nisCoRzA: grep 'Horiz' in xorg.conf11:23
PizbitTugg: Yeah, I got so much crap installed on this one;)11:23
KarlosIITugg, reinstall?11:23
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nisset it to like I dunno widen it a bit.11:23
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Tuggyeah I have so much crap on here from trying stuff11:24
KarlosIIlol11:24
CoRzAnis, thats in etc?11:24
nishoriz should be um 31 khz up to whatever; vert from 50 to 90 hz say11:24
Tuggthat a wipe and reinstall is the only way to go11:24
nisCoRzA: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or thereabouts11:24
nis(a guess)11:24
Tuggplus it only take like 20 mins11:24
Pizbitnis: *ahem* One should *always* check the manufactor's website for such details least ones' monitor go kaboom11:24
KamionPizbit: we do :)11:24
PizbitKamion: Hehehe11:25
CoRzAnis, it says read only?11:25
Kamionpreview slipped by a whole day or so from the schedule set back then, and we intend that not to happen for the release11:25
nisCoRzA: chmod +w myfile11:25
KarlosIIPizbit, ever have a monitor go KABOOM11:25
PizbitOnly when I poured heaps of water on one...11:25
CoRzAnis, ok i'm not great on the lingo i sorta know what chmod is from web servers but i dont know how to do it on linux11:26
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PizbitNah, it can be rather bothersome to have the wrong settings set11:26
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KarlosIIlol11:26
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nisCoRzA: cd /etc/X11  and then    chmod u+w ./xorg.conf11:27
PizbitMaybe they'll take it out of beta? *gasp* As if.11:27
TuggI want to know how many gmail account are actualy used11:27
Tuggnot just a dumping ground for spam11:27
CoRzAoperation not permitted would i have to log into root?11:27
KarlosIIPizbit, so far I've on seen a mobo start on fire and give off an 3 inch flame, and a pwr supply smoke up half the storefront11:27
Tuggor for signing up for porn11:27
Pizbitheh11:28
nisCoRzA: sudo -s11:28
CoRzAgot it :)11:28
KarlosIIPizbit, what you mean it went public already a week or two ago I thought11:28
nis;)11:28
niseasier to work in a root shell.11:28
nisI'd also follow that with a healthy 'su - root' for good keeping11:28
TuggI pay for my email11:28
PizbitKarlosII: Although with regards to monitors the machine my brother-in-law has seems to chew through them rather quickly, two in as many months11:28
KarlosIITugg, so do I, it's call ISP mail :)11:29
CoRzAwhats su - root do?11:29
nisjust you know face the mirror -- only you can help you -- and promise to be a good root. ;)11:29
TuggI would never use comcast email11:29
nisthe - in su - root gives login shell11:29
TuggI have a fusemail account11:29
KarlosIIPizbit, ugggh......I have an auction I can get 17 to 19 inch for betwen 30 to 50 dollars cdn11:29
MyNameIsChriscrimsun, xine is definitely not playing nicely with me. I think I will learn mpg123, it sounded nice anyway11:29
Tuggit grab the mail from all my other account for me11:29
eyequeueCoRzA:  it says "allow me to break my system"11:29
niscorrect canonical (ha!) root environment to Do Stuph In11:29
PizbitKarlosII: I still have 50 invites showing,  login page doesn't have a register here and the help page says it's still invite only11:29
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CoRzAoh lol being the same as sudo -s ?11:30
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PizbitKarlosII: I want a better monitor too11:30
eyequeueCoRzA:  but if you're careful, it allows you to make system-wide changes, not user-level changes11:30
nisCoRzA: root can delete all files in this mode.11:30
KarlosIITugg, comcast mail :) eheheheh dang pain the butt to provide tech support for I tell you...11:30
KarlosIII know from experience11:30
nisCoRzA: I'm new to sudo (and ubuntu) -- I'm a debian person.11:30
Tuggyeah me too11:30
CoRzAnis & eyequeue, yes i'm sorta aware of that :) thanks11:31
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eyequeueCoRzA:  but careful is the operative word11:31
nisbtw ElEtE nicks are a fscking pita to tab-complete.11:31
KarlosIIPizbit, ehehe I need to get my aunt off the bloody 14 inch :)11:31
PizbitShould I need any support I'd just ICQ him.11:31
TuggI hate how comcast installs everyones internet using there USB ports11:31
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CoRzAjust not too up to all the terminology etc...11:31
nis(thanks for the typing test)11:31
CoRzAone day i'll get there lol11:31
CoRzAi just got ADSL today :) the town finally had it available11:31
KarlosIITugg, I HATE it WHEN people use USB for ethernet11:31
eyequeuesudo (8)             - execute a command as another user11:31
eyequeuesu (1)               - Change user ID or become super-user11:31
nisCoRzA: thank me with /nick corza  hi hi11:31
sihenHello all11:31
TuggUSB was not made for networks!! plug it in an RJ45 forgod sake and stop calling our store for tech support11:31
KarlosIITUGG and I HATE win98 machines more11:31
CoRzAfrom 56kb -> 1.5mbit11:31
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sihencan someone tell me where I can get some cool x login screens from?11:32
CoRzAdid that do something?11:32
Tuggsihen, go to gnome-look.org11:32
CoRzAnis, did that do something?11:32
KarlosIITugg, because of usb drivers and insatlling them on windows98 is a pain11:32
nisTugg: I bot a USB A to B cord with my HP 1100dtn and never opened the package. ;)11:32
Tugglots og kool GDMS there11:32
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KarlosIIlol11:32
PizbitKarlosII: It's not because they also tend to be insanely slow?11:32
sihenTugg,  ta11:32
nisCoRzA: did what do what? /he indirectly references to further obscure the conversation11:33
KarlosIIPizbit, no I don't care about that..that's the customers problem not mine, I just hate spending 30 freaking minutes or more on the phone trying to get the dang thing working11:33
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Pizbitheh11:33
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sihenTugg, what would you call a logon screen? cause i dont see it in the menu11:34
nis /clear11:34
TuggI work for a fairly good sized small computer store, and I cant stand when people call for tech support because the manufactures of there computers have horrid service (same goes for ISP service)11:34
KarlosIII don't mind long calls especially if another agent had a bad day and messed up a customer acct. I can handle that as a reason for having high call avgs11:34
CoRzAnis, ok back umm just about to sorta fix it all up11:34
Tuggthat is the Gnome Display Manager11:34
CoRzAnis, just guide me through if u can11:34
niseek daylight11:34
Tuggyou are looking for GDM themes11:35
maddlerhmmmm... where LS_COLORS and LS_OPTIONS are configured?11:35
maddlerpleasde...11:35
maddler:)11:35
nisCoRzA: nosleep here 24 h.  what are we doing again?11:35
sihenta11:35
KarlosIITugg, All we do for tech support at comcast is make sure the customer has a connection and has the right settings :)11:35
Pizbitmaddler: .bashrc or .bash_profile ?11:35
=== nis hungry. VERY.
KarlosIIother then that not our problem11:35
Tugglol11:35
CoRzAnis, it has here... HorizSync 28-49 and VertRefresh 43-7211:35
CoRzAnis, the umm changing of screen hz11:35
nisCoRzA: right!11:35
Tuggnow I know why they call us11:35
nisCoRzA: vert11:35
nisup it to 90 or better.11:36
niswhat sort of crt is it?11:36
CoRzAnis, flat11:36
nislcd?11:36
KarlosIITugg, :) I'm not about to teach them how to use a freaking computer :)11:36
CoRzAnis, no crt11:36
Tugglol11:36
nishey before u do that do this:11:36
nisxvidtune11:36
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nisbe CAREFUL.11:36
CoRzAin terminal?11:36
niscan fry crt this way.11:36
nisin X11.11:36
KarlosIIno KIDDING11:36
nisxterm.11:36
nisdon't do anything in xvidtune tho.11:37
PizbitKarlosII: Are the phone calls recorded? Sounds like a good place to plug a 'how to use your computer course':)11:37
niskzzzot.11:37
=== KarlosII hears a a slurr of buzzes around the channel
KarlosIIPizbit, sometims :)11:37
=== Pizbit hears a THUNK.
CoRzAwhat do i go into??11:37
KarlosIIrotflol11:37
CoRzAi'm in the folder X1111:37
nisCoRzA: if anything bad happens shut off the CRT power IMMEDIATELY.11:38
keffoargh!11:38
keffono hoary updates in long time now11:38
keffo;P11:38
nisjust look, don't touch.11:38
Tuggthe greatest blessing I got from my comcast install was the setup disc didnt work, So i got to set it up with out using that horrid software11:38
PizbitThe THUNK being the channel idiot dropping their monitor on the floor because it stopped working. :)11:38
CoRzAok ok11:38
CoRzAwhat am i looking at11:38
KarlosIITugg, where you at right now what state?11:38
sihenone last questin, I downloaded a xmms skin, any idea where to put it?11:38
TuggWA11:38
KarlosIIah they are on BEDROCK now....:)11:38
KarlosIInew reg and provisioning system11:39
KarlosII:)11:39
Pizbitsihen: ~/.xmms/Skins maybe?11:39
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nisCoRzA: look at the parameters.  There's a button that echoes some of them to the xterm11:39
haydenhow can i remove gnome ?11:39
sihenPizbit,  ta11:39
nislook means DO NOT MODIFY.11:39
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TuggThe "Evergreen" state (well not this year since its dry as a bone11:39
DeviadHello11:39
CoRzAnis, would it be safer to look up the specs of my monitor?11:39
nisCoRzA: in a way sure. do u have 'em?11:39
gillesI have installed realplayer, it works, but when clicking to listen to radio with firefox, it says: "Could not find an appropriate hxplay (-what's that?-) or realplay in the system path to use as an embedded player". What shall I do ?11:39
sihenPizbit,11:39
sihenroot@Enigma:~ # cd ~/.xmms/Skins11:39
sihen-su: cd: /root/.xmms/Skins: No such file or directory11:39
PizbitMake it?:P11:39
CoRzAnis, i could :S11:39
DeviadHey guys, 2 days ago I had to reinstall Windows XP and it has overwritten the MBR.11:40
CoRzAnis, i'll just check11:40
nisCoRzA: u want to know how many MHz the CRT can be pushed to.11:40
haydenDeviad, if u have a floppy disc drive look for a program called GAG11:40
nis(clock)11:40
KarlosIITugg, all the customer has to do is connect the modem and the computer and start them up and the open internet explorer and voila "Welcome to Comcast" please download this file and run it to register your modem and activate your acct :)11:40
Pizbitsihen: All I know is I have that directory so it'd make sense to put them there, maybe you can drag'n'drop it onto xmms too?11:40
DeviadIn order to reinstall Grub on the MBR do I have to repeat the boot loader instqallation from the first step?11:40
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CoRzAnis, yes11:40
KarlosIIspeaking of XP.....I need to call them and order a new disk11:40
DeviadI had already install Windows XP and Ubuntu before, so the grub is already configured on my machine11:40
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CoRzAnis, umm my firefox isnt working :S11:40
Tuggyeah, to bad no one tell the lay person that11:41
nisCoRzA: mozilla better11:41
javier_hello I need a litle tip11:41
KarlosIIDeviad, just get a livecd and run grub11:41
DeviadI just had to install Windows XP again, when I used Lilo I just got into a shell from the CD and I used to type lilo -v11:41
Deviadnow I have grub11:41
Deviadwhat do I have to type?11:41
CoRzAnis, comes up page cant be displayed11:41
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nisCoRzA: don't worry about it.  you can tune it.11:41
sihencan anyone else help ?11:41
javier_What aplication I need to burn cds in ubuntu11:41
KarlosIITugg yeah, to bad no one tell the lay person that <---- I didn't quite catch the gist of that sentence.... you must be tired :)11:41
Deviadjavier_, you can use K3B or xcdroast11:42
Tuggjavier_, just use nutiluas11:42
Deviador if you prefear the shell mode you can use cdrecord11:42
KarlosIIjavier_, yea use nautilus11:42
Tuggor gnomebaker!!!!11:42
sihenTugg, do you know by any chance?11:42
javier_Deviad: I can use apt get11:42
nisCoRzA: xvidtune will not let you go past the limits of those horiz and vertical timings we saw earlier; if they're too permisive you can fry the CRT.11:42
Deviadjavier_, do you know what a shell is? ^^11:42
javier_mmmmmm bash11:42
PizbitTugg: Don't suppose you know how to give a data dvd a label in gnomebaker?:)11:42
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Deviadjavier_, bash is just a shell... not the shell11:42
javier_Deviad: bash11:43
CoRzAnis: where do i find xvidtune?11:43
haydenhow do i add marillat source to sources.list in hoary?11:43
PizbitKarlosII: "* KarlosII is poor!" ?:)11:43
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Deviadjavier_, the shell is  a command interpreter that can be considered as a "true" language11:43
nisCoRzA: what happens is X11 reads xorg.conf which tells it the extreme operating ranges of the CRT hardware. So the human (you) decides that range.11:43
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KarlosIIlol11:43
Tuggsihen, ~/.xmms/skins11:43
Deviadjavier_, it has built in commands and object commands..11:43
Deviad.11:43
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nisCoRzA: 'which xvidtune'11:43
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CoRzAahh so i should put it at 85?11:43
javier_Deviad; is gnome shell11:43
nis85 for vert is fine with modern hardware.11:43
Deviadjavier_, so bash is just a command interpreter with some commands...11:43
PizbitCoRzA: Google for your monitor model number11:44
Deviadjavier_, wrong again, gnome shell is a just a gui of a bash shell ^^11:44
CoRzApizbit, i cant connect into firefox for some reason11:44
nisCoRzA: bring it up one step at a time: 85, then 90, then 95, then 100.11:44
CoRzAwait yes i can its back11:44
ghenthello, i'm having a problem with rhytmbox which as probably been already covered but i can't find a solution on google. I have this message: There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg ubuntu (with hoary)11:44
javier_Deviad; is bash11:44
Deviadjavier_, you decide which shell to use in the attributes of the user when you create the user11:44
TuggPizbit, Im not sure how to do a DVD lable11:44
deFryskghent, gstreamer-mad11:44
javier_Deviad; I want to burn cds11:44
nisCoRzA: be sure X11 is totally stopped between iterations.11:44
CoRzAnis, where is xvidtune?11:44
Deviadjavier_, and I told you that you can get k3b via apt-get11:45
CoRzAand also i cant change it it still says read only11:45
Deviaddo apt-get inst