[12:00] <handsome_b> has anybody in here installed hoary, and configured a pppoe connection?  I'm about to try and would like to know if it's simple or a nightmare
[12:00] <DemonTears> anyne konw how to get linux logs on desktop background pls
[12:00] <handsome_b> DemonTears: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[12:02] <DemonTears> handsome_b: thx
[12:03] <handsome_b> anyone?  opinions on setting up pppoe?
[12:03] <handsome_b> DemonTears: np
[12:03] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: or use root-tail
[12:04] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: dunno how to use it
[12:05] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: do u know the sample command
[12:05] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: haven't used it for a while, but it's similar to tail
[12:06] <thoreauputic> like tail -f to have updating logs
[12:07] <thoreauputic> have you tried root-tail -f /path/to/logfile ?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> also in gnome, it probably won't show, as the desktop isn't the root window
[12:09] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: i'll test it
[12:09] <_phate_> does anyone have the Hoary Preview? If would you send me your sources.list, I screwed up mine so I need the default
[12:10] <Nermal> _phate_: http://nermal.org/misc/sources.list
[12:11] <Nermal> last 3 lines I added
[12:11] <jboyens> is there any way to get Flash fonts to work correctly WITHOUT install msttcorefonts? I'd like to be able to use fontconfig to substitute a font for the MS font Flash wants.
[12:12] <_phate_> Nermal, thx!
[12:13] <aldarsior> what's the keyboard shortcut for switching desktops in gnome?
[12:13] <Nermal> set them up under keyboard shortcuts
[12:13] <geppy> aldarsior: CTRL-ALT-arroy
[12:13] <geppy> *arrow
[12:14] <aldarsior> thanks :-)
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if any standard atapi drives would work fine in ubuntu?
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> dumb question but wanted check still
[12:15] <Nermal> sure
[12:15] <Nermal> its more the ide controller
[12:15] <Nermal> but they are usually fine
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> ah ok ty
[12:16] <aldarsior> black_Nightmare: do you mean for burning?
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> well..do you know about backward compactibility?  this is udma/33 on the motherboard I think
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> like could I use an ATA100 hd here?
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> aldar..nah just the drive itself
[12:17] <aldarsior> black_Nightmare: then you're asking if ATA has backwards compatibility. and the answer is Yes.
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> well it was two questions anyhow....ty still :p
[12:19] <michael_> hi all.. i'm trying to get my sound to work.. but it simply won't.. any help would be appreciated.. when i run the hoary live cd i get sound, and when i run the installed version of hoary i don't get sound
[12:19] <geppy> michael_: Do you have the sound system muted?
[12:19] <geppy> michael_: if you
[12:19] <michael_> geppy: negative
[12:20] <geppy> michael_: if you 'apt-get install aumix', you can check to make sure that it's not
[12:20] <geppy> michael_:  Sure?  The mixers like to mute themselves.
[12:20] <mjr> well, the gnome mixer that's installed by default should do too...
[12:20] <michael_> well i get Errors when i run anything that plays audio
[12:21] <mjr> that's a driver problem, probably, then
[12:21] <geppy> mjr:  GNOME-mixer allows things to get "locked" such that you can't modify them. =/
[12:21] <geppy> michael_: What kind of errors?
[12:21] <michael_> geppy: for example when i try running Volume Meter i get the error "cannot connect to sound daemon. please run 'esd' at a command prompt
[12:21] <mjr> or your user isn't in audio group
[12:21] <geppy> mjr:  He has an SBLive, I don't see why.
[12:21] <mjr> depends on the errors, really
[12:21] <geppy> michael_: Try running esd
[12:21] <mjr> geppy, righto, I have one too and it works fine :)
[12:21] <michael_> esd returns "/dev/dsp: no such device"
[12:22] <geppy> mjr:  As do I. =)
[12:22] <geppy> michael_:  ls /dev | grep snd
[12:22] <michael_> snd
[12:22] <michael_> sndstats
[12:22] <michael_> sndstat i mean
[12:22] <michael_> snd and sndstat
[12:22] <geppy> michael_: Then, there is a /dev/snd
[12:22] <geppy> michael_: You probably aren't in the audio group, like mjr mentioned.
[12:22] <mjr> could the OSS emulation layer be missing for some reason...
[12:22] <geppy> mjr: ESD uses OSS =P
[12:23] <michael_> so how do i fix this then
[12:23] <geppy> michael_:  Well, open up the users and groups GUI, and make sure you're in the audio group. =)
[12:23] <mjr> geppy, yes, and if trying to use /dev/dsp yields "no such device", well...
[12:23] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: I just tested that command in fluxbox, and it worked fine - gnome is using an overly of the root window, so nothing shows
[12:23] <geppy> mjr: Then it can't read it due to permissions, I think. =)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> *overlay
[12:23] <aldarsior> hmmm...
[12:24] <geppy> michael_: users-admin
[12:24] <madel> hi there
[12:24] <mjr> michael_, you can also do a quick check by running "id" in a prompt, but for fixing, use the admin tool mentioned
[12:24] <aldarsior> I just installed Mysql and some associated things, and towards the end of the download it told me to insert the install cd and would not proceed without it...
[12:24] <madel> why don't I find the /dev/lp files?
[12:24] <aldarsior> Is there a way to disable that?
[12:24] <michael_> hmm
[12:24] <michael_> groups=4(adm)
[12:25] <michael_> is listed from the id command
[12:25] <michael_> oh
[12:25] <michael_> oops
[12:25] <michael_> yeah it lists 29(audio) as a group
[12:25] <geppy> aldarsior: Did you install via apt?
[12:25] <michael_> in that list, when i do the ID command
[12:25] <aldarsior> geppy: yep
[12:25] <geppy> aldarsior: Odd, what were the other apps?
[12:25] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: so no chance with the gnome
[12:25] <mjr> michael_, well, that's not a problem then; what's ls -l /dev/dsp say?
[12:25] <geppy> michael_:  You need to be in "29(audio)"
[12:26] <geppy> oh
[12:26] <aldarsior> phpmyadmin (depended on apache) mysql server mysql client and various dependancies
[12:26] <michael_> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14
[12:26] <aldarsior> so all of php, all of apache, mysql client, mysql server, and everything that those depend on
[12:26] <mjr> michael_, this is getting weird
[12:26] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: there's probably a way of redirecting output to the gnome desktop - if you can identify the window it uses - I don't know
[12:27] <michael_> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-03-23 18:15 /dev/dsp
[12:27] <mjr> michael_, does cat /dev/sndstat show your card?
[12:27] <Zugot> anyone here have a laptop that displays at 1280x800?
[12:27] <michael_> yes
[12:27] <Zugot> i need to find some modelines i believe
[12:27] <mjr> michael_, well, I'm running out of things that could be wrong then
[12:27] <michael_> three audio devices
[12:27] <mjr> three?
[12:27] <jeanjean> Zugot: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:28] <mjr> list them please
[12:28] <michael_> USB Audio Bt87x Digital and EMU10K1 (duplex)
[12:28] <Zugot> jeanjean, it isn't that easy... i need find the ModeLine to stick in xorg.conf first
[12:28] <Zugot> jeanjean, and you also assumed i was running xorg...
[12:28] <Zugot> i could be running xfree86
[12:28] <mjr> michael_, it may be that /dev/dsp tries and fails to use one of the other sound devices
[12:29] <michael_> so are you suggesting i should find a way to disable the other sound devices
[12:29] <jeanjean> Zugot: close X and try "X -config"
[12:29] <thoreauputic> heh - sound juicer with mp3 enabled rips at 250 kb/sec by default and can't be adjusted... stupid :(
[12:30] <geppy> thoreauputic: That's why I use GRIP. =)
[12:30] <mjr> michael_, that shouldn't be necessary, but I don't know how to change the order, which would be a less destructive way to go about it
[12:30] <michael_> mjr: keep in mind that my audio works when i run the LiveCD, but fails when i use my installed version of ubuntu... maybe there are some ways you could tell me to compare the settings in both to determine what the problem is?
[12:30] <andrewski> thoreauputic: yeah, that simple interface only works to a point. :/
[12:30] <thoreauputic> geppy: yeah, me too - I just thought I'd try it with the gstreame lame plugin to see what happened
[12:30] <geppy> thoreauputic: Ah, yeah.
[12:30] <geppy> Unfortunately, GRIP sucks on Ubuntu.
[12:31] <geppy> Has anyone else had serious issues with it?
[12:31] <Nikopol> yep
[12:31] <Nikopol> the id3 sucks
[12:31] <geppy> I have to perform certain rituals to get it to perform.
[12:31] <Nikopol> geppy: if you use musicplayer with it, it won't put the tracks in the correct order
[12:31] <thoreauputic> geppy: works OK here - I just pointed it at /dev/hdc from memory
[12:31] <geppy> Not just that, it tends to hang (and refuse to die, or have another instance opened) if you don't hold it just right.
[12:31] <DemonTears> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:32] <DemonTears> je dois installer quel package pour remedier ca
[12:32] <Nikopol> DemonTears: g++ j e pense
[12:32] <geneo93> musicmatch at one time had nice linux offering
[12:32] <geppy> thoreauputic:  If it doesn't have focus when I start the rip, it crashes.  (i.e. I move mouse focus to the dialog, which shows up half way across the bloody screen)
[12:32] <michael_> mjr: keep in mind that my audio works when i run the LiveCD, but fails when i use my installed version of ubuntu... maybe there are some ways you could tell me to compare the settings in both to determine what the problem is?
[12:32] <Nikopol> DemonTears: essaie voir
[12:32] <ells> i just installed a new hardrive along with the old,how can i see where it is and where to mount it
[12:32] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:33] <geppy> thoreauputic: And it crashes if I change the ID3 info and don't save and reopen
[12:33] <ells> anyone know how
[12:33] <DemonTears> configure: error: Can't find Python.h! You will need the python development package
[12:33] <geppy> thoreauputic: As well as various other things;  if I insert a CD when it's open, it crashes (and I have to reboot to kill it)
[12:34] <DemonTears> j'ai ca
[12:34] <ells> any takers
[12:34] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: j'insatlle tous le python ?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> geppy: hmmm.... dunno - I mainly use ogg anyway so .... I tried ripperx which also works ( less configurable, of course)
[12:35] <madel> anyone could help me seting up a local paralel printer with ubuntu?
[12:35] <Zugot> is this the official ubuntu support irc place?
[12:35] <Zugot> or are there more?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: j'sais pas ce que tu veux faire
[12:35] <RupertSw> madel, are you using CUPS?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: english here for preference, mon ami ;)
[12:35] <geppy> thoreauputic:  Yeah, I've recently switched to FLAC, so I guess SoundJuicer would work for me, now, minus certain things like Vorbis comment configuration.
[12:35] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: je compile le gdesklet
[12:36] <madel> RupertSw, i think so, the default with ubuntu...
[12:36] <mjr> michael_, yah, sorry, can't help, except to point at trying to change the order of the sound devices as I said (or, in panic, disabling them via /etc/hotplug/blacklist)
[12:36] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[12:36] <ells> tritium: I just put the new drive in
[12:36] <RupertSw> madel, Probably the easiest is to point browser @ localhost:601
[12:36] <tritium> Hi ells
[12:36] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: pourqoi? C'est dans les repositories
[12:36] <michael_> mjr: okay thank you
[12:36] <michael_> mjr: i will try that
[12:37] <DemonTears> thoreauputic ca marche poa
[12:37] <ells> tritium: do you think you could help me get this thing mounted and formatted properly
[12:37] <Desolate> hello
[12:37] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: j'ai ca
[12:37] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[12:37] <DemonTears>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[12:37] <tritium> ells, perhaps a little later this evening
[12:37] <RupertSw> madel, Any luck?
[12:37] <madel> RupertSw, do you mean  localhost:601?
[12:37] <ells> tritium: cool will catch you after school tonight
[12:37] <Desolate> got a bit of an issue, was wondering if anyone could assist me? I just installed ubuntu, everything went fine, but then when I start it, it looks absolutely awful (http://demonfire.breathingwater.com/ubuntu_crappy.jpg)
[12:38] <thoreauputic> DemonTears: sorry, no idea then
[12:38] <tritium> ells, you have class this evening?
[12:38] <RupertSw> madel, Yep. A cups demon should be running there, I think. Is it?
[12:38] <ells> tritium: until about 11 Mike
[12:38] <ells> tritium: it is cool
[12:38] <madel> localhost:631
[12:38] <DemonTears> thoreauputic: ok thx
[12:38] <madel> RupertSw, Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[12:39] <tritium> ells, if I'm awake when you get back ;)
[12:39] <ells> tritium: I am sure you will be,  ha ha
[12:39] <RupertSw> madel, Hmm. You could try gnome-cups-manager or whatever it's called, which is there then!
[12:39] <tritium> ells, probably :)
[12:39] <madel> RupertSw, and when I try to use that printer manager, It only alows me to configure a USB printer
[12:40] <ells> tritium: Mike, I could always reinstall, ,ha ha (inside joke)
[12:40] <tritium> heh
[12:40] <garrut> hi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?
[12:40] <ells> tritium: it is all goo Mike
[12:40] <RupertSw> madel, If I run it as root, and click add printer, I can choose "Parallel Port" near the bottom of the dlg.
[12:41] <tritium> RupertSw, is your user in the "lpadmin" group?
[12:41] <madel> RupertSw, are you using ubuntu?
[12:42] <Desolate> I installed linux on Virtual PC, everything went/looked fine, but when I start it, it looks like this: http://demonfire.breathingwater.com/ubuntu_crappy.jpg
[12:42] <RupertSw> madel, Yes
[12:42] <RupertSw> madel, It wouldn't su automatically for me though for some reason, so I had to run it actually as root with su from the terminal
[12:42] <RupertSw> madel, gnome-cups-manager, btw
[12:42] <atj> has anyone set up nfs or samba w/ ubuntu?
[12:42] <tritium> RupertSw, root account is disabled by default, as is documented.
[12:42] <madel> atj, to see another windows box, or to be seen?
[12:43] <RupertSw> tritium, sorry: sudo gnome-cups-manager, then.
[12:43] <tritium> RupertSw, is your user in the lpadmin group, though?
[12:43] <RupertSw> tritium, I got irritated and re-enabled it.
[12:43] <atj> madel: to be seen by a mac (or anything really)
[12:43] <RupertSw> tritium, Why should it have to be? I'm running it with _sudo_ - so as root.
[12:44] <RupertSw> tritium, Just checked: no I'm not
[12:44] <tritium> RupertSw, you say when you run it as root, you _can_ add it right, but not as normal user?
[12:44] <madel> RupertSw, nope...  a only see USB printers...
[12:45] <RupertSw> tritium, I have _no_ problem! Adding a printer I would need to be admin, but as it's my flipping computer, I just sudoed to get the privileges rather than farting around with the groups for what is a one-off op.
[12:46] <RupertSw> madel, Hmm.. we're using the same program, presumably. Same version? What are you running exactly?
[12:46] <ells> tritium: thru qtparted I think I got it, what should I make its mount point be
[12:46] <tritium> ells, that's entirely up to you
[12:46] <RupertSw> madel, I think I'm on 0.30
[12:46] <ells> tritium: it is showing up as hdb?
[12:47] <ells> tritium: should I make it primary or extended
[12:47] <tritium> ells, I thought it was usb drive?
[12:47] <madel> RupertSw, I' m using a just installed hoary, nothing changed...
[12:47] <ells> tritium: naw, hard drive (ide)
[12:47] <geppy> Something's wrong with the Ubuntu hardware database.
[12:47] <geppy> I can't connect to the server.
[12:47] <geppy> And I can't e-mail "hostmaster@grawert.net"
[12:48] <tritium> ells, the whole thing is for linux?  you can make one big primary partition
[12:48] <RupertSw> madel, Sorry. could you run 'gnome-cups-manager --version' please? It would help if I knew we were looking at the same screen... :-)
[12:48] <atj> anyone using ubuntu as a file server
[12:48] <ells> cool, yeah, the whold 120 gig is for linux, all for linux
[12:48] <mylesbraithwaite> yes
[12:48] <ells> should i make it primary then
[12:48] <madel> Gnome gnome-printer-view 0.30
[12:48] <tritium> sure
[12:48] <madel> RupertSw, I don't even have a /dev/lp file
[12:48] <ells> tritium: and of course format
[12:49] <tritium> ells, yep
[12:49] <atj> myles, nfs, samba or other?
[12:49] <RupertSw> madel, Hmm.. I do. Gimme a sec.
[12:49] <ells> okay, when i went to make active, it says something like virtual drive
[12:50] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone have an idea of what language I should start off in to learn programming?
[12:50] <Zotnix> Anyone know what module to load to load inotify. Seems modprobe inotify doesn't work.
[12:50] <RupertSw> madel, I've got one, but if I get rid of it I still see the same in the CUPS manager - is that the parallel port dev anyway?
[12:51] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  python
[12:51] <RupertSw> madel, Can I check: when you run the manager, do you get a screen with a 'New Printer' icon, looking lots like a windows control panel?
[12:52] <madel> RupertSw, yes....
[12:52] <RupertSw> madel, And when you click on New Printer, you get a sort of wizard dlg, right?
[12:52] <madel> yes...
[12:53] <RupertSw> madel, With 4 radio buttons?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: I would start with writing bash scripts,ten look at python
[12:53] <madel> RupertSw, yes....   local printer, network printer,  user a detected printer, user another printer by specifyung a port
[12:53] <RupertSw> madel, So you say 'specify a port' and get the drop-down combo box
[12:54] <madel> RupertSw, yes.. and I only see USB  printer #1, #2...  #16
[12:54] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: if you want to have some simple GUI things happening with bash scripts, install Xdialog or use zenity
[12:55] <RupertSw> madel, Hmmm... You could try 'mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0' as root, which will give you that device. I notice I haven't got lp1 and only 'see' 1 parallel port, so maybe that is what's needed?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: the documentation for Xdialog is excellent :  /usr/share/doc/xdialog/html
[12:56] <irbdavid> question; if i d/l ubuntu, will kubuntu essentially come with it? or will the aptget not come off the CD?
[12:56] <RupertSw> madel, And then you'd need to restart CUPS at the least: 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[12:56] <apokryphos> irbdavid: nope, it won't.
[12:57] <apokryphos> irbdavid: apt-get will come with it.
[12:57] <codyman> hmm... http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=106 whats up
[12:57] <mjr> codyman, slashdot jumping the gun is up
[12:57] <thoreauputic> irbdavid: kubuntu is a seoarate CD, but sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install it
[12:57] <thoreauputic> not from the CD though
[12:57] <mjr> codyman, Perens isn't buying it, apparently
[12:57] <RupertSw> madel, And if that doesn't work, I'm really sorry, because I reckon that's about the limit of my knowledge...
[12:57] <irbdavid> cool beans
[12:57] <RupertSw> :)
[12:58] <irbdavid> other than that the difference between the two is just the desktop and the apps that come with it?
[12:58] <madel> RupertSw, what does " mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0"   mean?
[12:58] <apokryphos> irbdavid: Pretty much, yes. It's all Ubuntu.
[12:58] <RupertSw> madel, It'll create your device for you
[12:59] <geneo93> there is a seperate kubunt iso at http://kambing.vlsm.org/bebas/ISO/
[12:59] <irbdavid> kay, thanks guys
[12:59] <RupertSw> madel, And for normal use, you need to also do 'chgrp lp /dev/lp0', which is probably needed for CUPS to use it.
[01:00] <madel> RupertSw, lp or lpadmin  ?
[01:01] <andril> has anyone installed MPlayer?
[01:01] <andril> or have a link?
[01:01] <RupertSw> madel, Mine says lp, presumably so that anyone can print, it's just changing the spooler/drivers etc. which needs special priveleges?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> andril: I installed it - but I recommend xine-ui
[01:02] <thoreauputic> andril: and look at ubuntuguide.org for a howto on installing win codecs etc
[01:02] <ian> anyone successfully switch from ACPI to APM?
[01:02] <madel> RupertSw,    crw-r--r--  1 root lp 6, 0 2005-03-24 05:56 /dev/lp0   <-- this is the way it looks yours?
[01:03] <andril> not Media Player - just MPlayer for linux
[01:03] <D3v> Im haveing trouble installing ubuntu. when it gos to install base system it gets up to the kernel and says  initrd-tools error then it aborts? how can i fix this?
[01:03] <andril> do you have a link for Xine-UI
[01:03] <RupertSw> madel, Yes.
[01:03] <RupertSw> andril, You could try the repository at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[01:03] <akurashy> do gnome have a cd burner program?
[01:03] <madel> RupertSw, nop I still see only  USB printers
[01:03] <thoreauputic> andril: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:03] <greebo> hi all
[01:03] <apokryphos> akurashy: gnomebaker
[01:04] <thoreauputic> andril: you need to set up your synaptic repositories
[01:04] <RupertSw> madel, Sorry - I really have no idea. Anyone else??
[01:05] <ian> akurashy: also Nautilus can burn CDs directly.  right click an ISO to burn it or do Ctrl-L in Nautilus and type in burn://
[01:05] <greebo> does anyone know how to get IR working on Ubuntu Warty? Do I need to upgrade to Hoary for this?
[01:05] <greebo> TongMaster, heya
[01:05] <ian> akurashy: drag/drop files there then File/Write to disc
[01:05] <akurashy> ian: can i drag and drop into the cd?
[01:05] <akurashy> kk
[01:05] <thoreauputic> andril: xine-ui is in the universe repository - you need to look at those other links as well
[01:06] <ian> it's pretty slick, but I'm not sure how people are supposed to find it :)
[01:06] <TongMaster> heya greebo \
[01:06] <RupertSw> madel, Oh: try 'lsmod' I've got a 'parport' module installed. Do you?
[01:06] <RupertSw> madel, And an lp one as well.
[01:07] <SoRcEtTa> how can I umount my cd , while a script inside it is running ?
[01:07] <madel> RupertSw, a parport_pc and a parport
[01:07] <geneo93> RupertSw:  maybe he need to turn off pnp in bios
[01:07] <madel> RupertSw, and a lp too
[01:07] <RupertSw> geneo93, Mine's on, so far as I know.
[01:08] <RupertSw> madel, What happens if you 'cat /dev/lp0' ?
[01:08] <geneo93> mines off
[01:08] <jnoon> when i do apt-get dist-upgrade it wants to remove ubuntu-base.  im assuming thats a very bad sign correct?
[01:08] <madel> RupertSw, cat some_txt_file > /dev/lp0??  or cat /dev/lp0?
[01:09] <geneo93> jnoon:  it will get replaced
[01:09] <RupertSw> madel, If there's a driver connected, you should get probably a 'Input/output error' message
[01:09] <RupertSw> madel, The latter
[01:09] <RupertSw> madel, Although either would probably work.
[01:09] <greebo> jnoon, from memory, ubuntu-base is a "nothing" package that simply depends on a lot of stuff, making installing a working base easy for the initial installation. I don't think removing that package itself is a problem but I could be wrong
[01:10] <jnoon> geneo93, there is no ubuntu-base that it says is going to be installed though?
[01:10] <jnoon> oh... ok
[01:10] <jnoon> geneo93 *  greebo
[01:10] <jnoon> sorry
[01:10] <madel> RupertSw, cat: /dev/lp0: No such device or address
[01:10] <jnoon> err, confused :)
[01:10] <RupertSw> madel, That means that there's nothing listening to it.
[01:10] <geneo93> jnoon:  just do it
[01:10] <RupertSw> madel, In the dark again, I'm afraid...
[01:11] <greebo> anyone know about IR in ubuntu?
[01:11] <geneo93> i'll be fine
[01:11] <madel> RupertSw, hmm...
[01:11] <jnoon> geneo93, how sure are you? :)
[01:11] <geneo93> done it many times here
[01:12] <jnoon> lol...  alllllright...
[01:13] <geneo93> jnoon:  ubuntu-desktop replaces a lot of stuff
[01:13] <robtaylor> hmm, w32codecs have gone from multiverse, right?
[01:14] <tritium> robtaylor, not in multiverse.  They're in marillat's repo
[01:14] <jnoon> geneo93, will be back to tell you how this went... hopefully ;)
[01:14] <robtaylor> tritium: ok, thought they used to be in multi, i must have been imagining it =)
[01:15] <ice_1963> =)
[01:16] <larsrohdin> join /fluxbox
[01:16] <larsrohdin> sorry... how do i do that?
[01:16] <^thehatsrule^> O.o fluxbox channel?
[01:16] <^thehatsrule^> /join #fluxbox
[01:16] <^thehatsrule^> ?
[01:16] <robtaylor> larsrohdin: /join #fluxbox
[01:16] <larsrohdin> thank yo=)
[01:16] <D3v> Im trying to install kubuntu and it says this when i get to base system install.. Unable to install initrd-tools ?? how can i fix this????
[01:16] <RupertSw> madel, Been looking through parport.txt in /usr/src/linux.
[01:17] <RupertSw> madel, It suggests looking at  /proc/sys/dev/parport/.
[01:17] <RupertSw> ?
[01:17] <andril> is there a MP3 to OGG converter avail?
[01:17] <CarlK_> D3v - just got that error too
[01:17] <mjr> andril, there are scripts to do that (google mp32ogg), but that reduces sound quality
[01:18] <thoreauputic> andril: i think audacity can do that
[01:18] <D3v> CarlK_  =((
[01:18] <thoreauputic> andril: with the right mp3 support
[01:18] <CarlK_> D3v - pretty sure this is the problem: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8123
[01:18] <CarlK_> reported and fixed today
[01:18] <thoreauputic> andril: I suggest you also install mpg123
[01:18] <thoreauputic> and sox
[01:18] <ice_1963> right now gnome is better =)
[01:19] <ice_1963> then kde lol
[01:20] <thoreauputic> ice_1963: matter of taste, old boy ;)
[01:20] <crymsan> well, I finally got ubuntu booted, turns out the cdrom drive woulnd't boot it, but it would boot debian, changed the drive and off I go
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> back
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> was afk for a while
[01:21] <andril> Thanks guys - I keep getting errors upon "sudo dpkg" - so i guess I need Win around after all
[01:21] <D3v> CarlK_  so you think its my disks?
[01:22] <madel> RupertSw, I have there a folder called default
[01:22] <madel> and 2 files in it.... spintime and timeslice
[01:22] <ice_1963> synaptic is better kynaptic
[01:22] <CarlK_> D3v - I didn't have that problem yesterday, but my .iso may have been a few days old
[01:22] <andril> Thanks again
[01:22] <thoreauputic> andril:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:22] <RupertSw> madel, Yeah. I've also got a parport0 folder with loads of stuff about my actual existing parallel port.
[01:23] <ice_1963> gnome is more stable
[01:23] <CarlK_> D3v - does your Alt-F3 console show the same thing I posted to bugzilla just now?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> andril: don't use dpkg directly, use the GUI and make life easier on yourself
[01:23] <madel> RupertSw, I don't have any partport0
[01:23] <black_Nightmare> any of you got any comments on this case? :p http://www.pccyber.ca/scrItem.asp?product_subtypes_id=20&product_types_id=5&product_id=4210
[01:24] <ian> has anyone seen talk of an "Ubuntu Update Manager" but for installs instead of updates?  in other words, a super easy to use program for installing new software, with screenshots etc.
[01:25] <D3v> CarlK_ hold up let me check
[01:25] <RupertSw> madel, Presumably not, because something isn't looking for it. I'm sorry - I've never had any problems here before. You appear to have the correct device nodes (as far as I know) and the right modules. As I'm not _that_ knowledgeable about the parallel port on linux, which is currently not seen by your machine, I think I have to give up. Good luck!
[01:26] <geneo93> ian:  how much easyer can synaotic
[01:26] <andril> thoreauputic: all I have to do is add another repository with Uni/Multi verse
[01:26] <black_Nightmare> say....do any of you know if ubuntu has or can emulate an terminal session just like under windows 2K
[01:26] <geneo93> synaptic be
[01:26] <ian> geneo93: a lot
[01:27] <caffinated> ian: i fail to see how.
[01:27] <mjr> black_Nightmare, umm, gnome-terminal?
[01:27] <caffinated> syntaptic is so easy it makes easy look hard ;)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> andril: yes, add those - but for win32 codecs you need others - all on the wiki page and ubuntuguide.org
[01:27] <ian> would you guys sit your mom down in front of synaptic?
[01:27] <geneo93> ian:  synaptic is very simple
[01:27] <caffinated> ian: in a second, without hesitation.
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> mjr...hmm ok here's a tuff question > are these rj45>DB9 adapters actually only for ethernet-consoled network stuffs or not quite so?
[01:28] <andril> wil this harm the system during updates?
[01:28] <greebo> can anyone at least point me to some documentation about getting IR working in ubuntu? I've tried looking through the ubuntu forums, and can't get it working
[01:28] <geneo93> why not its so simple
[01:28] <thoreauputic> andril: I had better luck with xine-ui than mplayer - your mileage may vary , as they say :)
[01:28] <ian> geneo93: saying the same thing over and over doesn't help :)
[01:29] <D3v> CarlK_ No mines way different, says gpg: No valid user IDS  Gpg: this may be caused by missing self -signatrue ?  htf do i fix that
[01:29] <ben0ne> hi all
[01:29] <caffinated> ian: what part do you find hard?  and what do you think will fix it?
[01:29] <will> hi
[01:29] <Markrian> Are there going to be many changes between Ubuntu Preview and the Final release?
[01:29] <ben0ne> is there a tomcat "port" to ubuntu ?
[01:29] <ben0ne> ...hoary
[01:29] <mjr> black_Nightmare, so you probably mean a serial terminal; for that, minicom, and those adapters are probably just converters for uncommon physical serial ports
[01:29] <geneo93> ian:  if you cant use synaptic u should n't use computer
[01:29] <andril> installing xine-ui now
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> mjr...hm ty I was wondering anyhow
[01:30] <caffinated> ian: sorry, that was a little badly phrased.  i should say, what do you think *other* users would find hard about it.
[01:30] <andril> but what's ggod for audio (mp3) or must i convert
[01:30] <ian> geneo93: you're always rude, I'm done talking to you
[01:30] <CarlK_> D3v - do you have a web server box handy?
[01:30] <mjr> andril, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:31] <D3v> CarlK_ yes
[01:31] <D3v> its a windows box
[01:31] <CarlK_> yer in luk
[01:31] <thoreauputic> andril: if you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed , mp3 will play in the music player
[01:31] <andril> well xine-ui played them
[01:31] <thoreauputic> andril: yes xine will play them too
[01:32] <thoreauputic> andril: in fact xine will play just about anything with the right codecs
[01:32] <ice_1963> xine is better then mplayer =)
[01:32] <mjr> yah, but I'd really rather play my music with Rhythmbox :)
[01:32] <caffinated> ian: not that i'm saying you're wrong or anything;  i'm just curious to hear your argument.
[01:33] <ian> caffinated: right.  it's not for *me* as a software developer, but for people who have never used computers before (much of the world) and for basic non-techie folks who only know "put in CD, click Yes".  a few things that scream to me as being too complicated (for them) in synaptic: "Reload" (should happen once in a while or be hidden away.  "Reload WHAT?").  "Mark All Upgrades" of course would be left to the upgrade manager.  no need for "A
[01:33] <thoreauputic> andril: there are other mp3 players - beep-media-player for instance or xmms
[01:33] <ian> hehe sorry for the length
[01:33] <black_Nightmare> ian :p
[01:33] <caffinated> heh
[01:33] <ice_1963> ok
[01:33] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  what about .mkv  have you tried that
[01:33] <andril> well that's all I need
[01:33] <andril> thoreauputic: thanks so much
[01:34] <thoreauputic> geneo93: no I haven't any .mkv files
[01:34] <ian> caffinated: also, it wouldn't show all the packages, just the *applications*.  most users don't want to do package management
[01:34] <caffinated> ian: so, you want something that further limits choices to make it a no-brainer kind of installation
[01:34] <thoreauputic> andril: no worries
[01:34] <CarlK_> D3v - hmm, well.. I had some notes on the wiki, but now I cant find them
[01:34] <ian> caffinated: exactly.  the technology is there (.debs are fantastic!), I just want to say "here are 100 great applications, here's what they look like, click Install to try it"
[01:34] <caffinated> ian: i can agree with hiding the developer stuff.
[01:35] <CarlK_> D3v - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ - search for something about a damaged CD
[01:35] <caffinated> ian: it might be worth even having a default 'user' mode for synaptic.
[01:35] <thoreauputic> ian: what you describe is like lindows click-n-run - I guess a ui like that would be a nice addition'
[01:35] <caffinated> ian: see, i don't know if replacing synaptic is a good idea.  but having a simplified mode might be.
[01:36] <ian> thoreauputic: yeah. only not Lindows. :)
[01:36] <ice_1963> for get synaptic us apt-get
[01:36] <EricNeon> morning all~
[01:36] <thoreauputic> ian: exactly :)
[01:36] <CarlK_> D3v http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[01:36] <caffinated> ian: kinda like, nero burning rom on windows.  it starts out in a 'novice' mode, but can easily be swicthed over to a 'power user' mode.
[01:36] <ian> caffinated: oh no-- keep synaptic around.  in fact with .deb there's no reason to not have many different front ends
[01:37] <caffinated> ian: might be an interesting suggestion for the synaptic maintainer
[01:37] <[bn] ennoia> You could have bunches of things too
[01:37] <thoreauputic> ian: there *could* be a "simple" package manager, with an "advanced" button to pop up synaptic
[01:37] <[bn] ennoia> like a "wireless" package, that installs all the things needed for a good wireless experience :o
[01:37] <ian> caffinated: but the default should be the easy one.  so yeah, either synaptic could have two modes or ... yeah what thoreauputic just said
[01:37] <[bn] ennoia> A user might know they have wireless, but not know which peices of software they need to make it all work
[01:37] <pvh> ian: You might be interested in http://klik.atekon.de/
[01:37] <mjr> hmm, so you mean like add/remove applications with the advanced button running synaptic? ;)
[01:38] <ian> mjr: you mean from windows?
[01:38] <mjr> I mean from Hoary
[01:38] <mjr> oh, sorry, add/remove programs
[01:38] <ian> what is "add/remove programs"?
[01:38] <ian> is that the gnome-app-install thing?
[01:38] <mjr> yah
[01:38] <ian> then yes, but not just for the basic gnome software
[01:39] <ian> for all good end-user software
[01:39] <mjr> righto
[01:39] <black_Nightmare> does ubuntu support raid? (especially from Promise)
[01:39] <ian> mjr: do you have a URL for that btw?
[01:39] <mjr> (hm, there _is_ emacs in the list, but not much other non-gnome programs ;)
[01:39] <AgentQ> anyone know how i can get my resolution higher than 1024x768?
[01:39] <mjr> nah
[01:40] <ian> pvh: yeah I saw that recently-- it's along the right track, but I'd hate to get users into the habit of clicking in web browsers to install software.  so dangerous :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> mjr: I feel it would be less confusing to new users if the install mechanism was explained on first startup of the installed system
[01:40] <pvh> gnome-app-install is nifty, but it definitely needs some work.
[01:40] <[bn] ennoia> you could ask a bunch of questions too, friendly questions, and determine what default software to install  based on their answeres
[01:40] <ian> thoreauputic: how about an Install New Software link on the desktop?
[01:41] <ian> thoreauputic: or similarly obvious place
[01:41] <pvh> like, maybe it would be good if you could find out ANYTHING about the application you're installing
[01:41] <D3v> CarlK_ is i386 for p4?
[01:41] <_b> Synaptic's great.
[01:41] <adamjohnson> anyone know where to find my machine's ip addy on my homoe network?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> ian: yes, good idea - on the panel with a tooltip perhaps
[01:42] <CarlK_> D3v - i3 will work, i6 would be 'better'
[01:42] <geneo93> D3v:  yes
[01:42] <D3v> CarlK_ lol  well i got amd u think thats my problem?
[01:42] <ehertlein> adamjohnson: try ifconfig in a terminal
[01:43] <geneo93> D3v:  k7
[01:43] <CarlK_> D3v - du no - I would think it would puke on cd boot if it wasn't going to work
[01:43] <adamjohnson> ehertlein: just type ifconfig in a term window and it'll output ip addy info or is there more to it, sorry i'm new at this...
[01:43] <ian> pvh: is there a webpage for it?  are you running it?
[01:44] <geneo93> dv3 its just a kernel thing the rest is compiled for your machine
[01:44] <D3v> geneo93 i guess its a 2600??
[01:44] <PacoBCN> My pc loves DVDs, love them so much it doesn't want to eject them and I'm forced to execute the eject command.
[01:44] <ehertlein> adamjohnson: correct it will tell you your inet addr
[01:44] <PacoBCN> :S
[01:44] <thoreauputic> adamjohnson: that command will show the network interfaces and IPs
[01:44] <CarlK_> D3v Intel x86 install CD     For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors... http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[01:44] <adamjohnson> thanks
[01:45] <ehertlein> does anyone here use pastebin often? im not seeing howto "update" a post
[01:45] <D3v> CarlK_ ok
[01:45] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: you can't eject a drive that's mounted *gee*
[01:45] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, it used to work properly
[01:46] <thoreauputic> ehertlein: which pastebin are you using? The pastebin.com interface is pretty intuitive
[01:46] <ice_1963> lol
[01:46] <ice_1963> =)
[01:46] <ehertlein> thoreauputic: using pastebin.ca, ill take a look at pastebin.com
[01:47] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  you can use #flood also
[01:48] <thoreauputic> geneo93: errm... yes I know, but thanks anyway :)
[01:49] <ehertlein> thoreauputic: yeah the pastbin.com UI seems to do what i want, i think its just a bug in the pastbin.ca code that causes every change to be a new post
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but any of you know if usb is the only way to adapt rj45 into a computer externally?
[01:49] <black_Nightmare> or are there other type of connectors for ethernet? :p
[01:50] <CarlK_> black_Nightmare - let me know cuz I have a P2=300 laptop that has a broken pcmcia slot and no USB
[01:50] <ehertlein> thoreauputic: nope pastebin.com does the exact same thing... i cant modify a current post, it makes new ones
[01:50] <codyman> does anyone know if there is a flash player build for x64
[01:50] <black_Nightmare> carlk - ty :)
[01:51] <ian> caffinated: I could go on about synaptic... a 6-page preferences dialog (better if no prefs needed).  filters? (remove). remove file menu.   remove Edit menu (maybe have a search box on the main window like firefox).   remove package menu.  in fact, I can't find any useful menu items for novices except Help, but they wouldn't need that in an easier app :)
[01:52] <mjr> There are some old parallel port ethernet adapters; slow, but may be functional. I don't know about support or availability nowadays. See eg. http://www.home.unix-ag.org/nils/accton_linux.html
[01:52] <caffinated> ian: agreed.  i'm just thinking it might be better as one integrated application to avoid confusion.
[01:52] <CarlK_> oh yeah!  I have a xircom!
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ian: one problem is that descriptions of packages are ...ummm... rather geeky for the average novice
[01:52] <ian> caffinated: what kind of integration are you thinking of?  what about having the easy one be able to launch the hard one
[01:53] <thoreauputic> the search function works OK but package names can be unintuitive
[01:53] <CarlK_> I think the paralel port can do 1.5mbps, about as fast as my cable modem before comcast started speeding them up ;)
[01:53] <caffinated> ian: well, you'd start the easy one as the default, and then you could either a) make a preference to switch to the hard, or b) make a conspicuous button that is labeled "easy mode" and "hard mode" respectively.
[01:53] <ian> thoreauputic: agreed.  couldn't use those.  but writing a few hundred normal-human-readable descriptions shouldn't be too hard (surely there are some ubuntu/redhat/novell/volunteer writers)
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> carlk_ xircom parallel>rj45?? thats interesting I need to locate one lol
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> brb :p
[01:55] <ian> thoreauputic: remember that it would only be apps (not -dev, libraries, etc.), and only ones that use modern technology (GTK2) and at least try to fit in in gnome (ie. be easy to use).  so not too many, I think
[01:55] <caffinated> ian: i don't really see a problem with having the two modes in the same program, provided that there is a really obvious way to switch.
[01:55] <CarlK_> black_Nightmare - i thnk you are confusing someting
[01:55] <ice_1963> synaptic is vary good you know that =)
[01:55] <ian> it's good for us... :)
[01:55] <caffinated> otherwise you get in to having multiple package managers on the same system, and for a novice, that may also be confusing
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ian: an example: how the heck is anyone supposed to know that for rhythmbox to play mp3 requires installing gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[01:56] <ian> caffinated: I wonder if the simple one could apt-get and install the fancy one the first time the user clicks Advanced...? :)
[01:56] <caffinated> thoreauputic: the solution is to dump rhythm box as an option.
[01:56] <caffinated> at least until they can make that make more sense.
[01:56] <caffinated> ian: that's a thought too
[01:57] <geneo93> ian:  try mandrake it uses gurpmi and it gets all depends you need for apps to run
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ian: so the only people who find that out are those who have the skills to find it  ( gstreamer etc) Unfortunately if they don't kow how to access the wiki or IRC they are stuffed...
[01:58] <caffinated> thoreauputic: i have a huge problem with some of the default applications in ubuntu - they simply do not work out of the box.  the media applications are bad that way.
[01:58] <geneo93> including codecs
[01:58] <ian> thoreauputic: which of course, they don't
[01:58] <thoreauputic> ian: exactly
[01:58] <black_Nightmare> sorry carlk_ was thinking a bit too fast :p
[01:58] <pvh> thoreauputic: the problem is a legal one
[01:58] <thoreauputic> caffinated: totem is another unfortunate example of that...
[01:58] <ian> caffinated: do they not work for any free formats?
[01:58] <caffinated> thoreauputic: yes.  totem left my setup fast.
[01:59] <ice_1963> mandrake is for kid's
[01:59] <caffinated> ian: i couldn't even get totem to play back mpeg without modification.
[01:59] <andril> thoreauputic: do you know how to remove a item from the Applications > Sound & Vido menu - RealPlayer?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> pvh: I undestand the legal issue - nut a link to the relevant pages on the site could be provided, surely ?
[01:59] <caffinated> ian: out of the box, it's about as useful as a paperweight ;)
[01:59] <geneo93> ice thats what he wants in ubuntu
[01:59] <mjr> (having totem use gstreamer by default when it has problems playing video smoothly _is_ a bit unwise, methinks)
[01:59] <pvh> thoreauputic: I believe ubuntuguide will be included as part of Hoary.
[02:00] <caffinated> mjr: i agree.  they should make it use xine.
[02:00] <ian> mjr: I wonder if it's to push gstreamer development?
[02:00] <thoreauputic> pvh: good news :)
[02:00] <pvh> thoreauputic: even better would be if all the things in ubuntuguide were fixed for hoary
[02:00] <ice_1963> why
[02:00] <thoreauputic> andril: are you on warty?
[02:00] <mjr> ian, maybe
[02:00] <pvh> thoreauputic: but there are good reasons for most of the problems in there
[02:00] <thoreauputic> pvh: yes, I grok
[02:00] <mjr> I hope it's pushed quickly
[02:02] <thoreauputic> andril: ah, that entry must be a hoary entry - don't know then ( I'm using warty here)
[02:03] <robertj> ack!
[02:03] <robertj> Is Wobbly Windows for real?
[02:04] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: :-O
[02:04] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh
[02:04] <Vjaz> Anyone here who has successfully configured a GPRS Internet connection over IRDA and a phone?
[02:04] <ian> robertj: are you referring to seth nickell's blog?
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> hmmm IrDa......
[02:04] <ice_1963> hhmmmmmmmm
[02:04] <robertj> indeed
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> that makes me thinking
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> LOL ice
[02:05] <Vjaz> black_Nightmare: you know anything about configuring irda?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I'll install hoary when the CDs arrive (dialup here)
[02:05] <ice_1963> do tel
[02:05] <ian> robertj: it's real but not necessarily going to make it into production software
[02:05] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about these wireless adapters that you can buy in stores for your online-abled game console?
[02:05] <robertj> ian: I still haven't finished reading, I'll ask why not in a few minutes ;)
[02:05] <ian> robertj: pretty cool looking huh?
[02:06] <ian> something a little more subtle might be good
[02:06] <black_Nightmare> or not I guess
[02:07] <darkgamer20> hey everyone
[02:07] <darkgamer20> I installed ubuntu
[02:07] <robertj> and it played in Firefox
[02:07] <robertj> I feel like I came home 5 years in the future
[02:07] <darkgamer20> and i upgraded
[02:07] <ice_1963> ok that's good
[02:08] <ian> robertj: I think part of "why not" is that it all requires Luminocity which is an experiment of Owen's, not prime time stuff
[02:08] <darkgamer20> i want to know if it is ok to comment out the olf kernel in menu.lst?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: it's OK but having the old kernel is a nice fallback at times
[02:09] <robertj> requires? I was under the impression that it was Luminocity?
[02:09] <robertj> is there some other bit besides the fd.o extensions we all know and love?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: if a new kernel breaks something
[02:09] <ells> tritium: I have returned,......but on my laptop
[02:09] <darkgamer20> thoreauputic: thanks I know its safe to leave it there i am just going to comment it out
[02:10] <tritium> ells, ok
[02:10] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: your choice - as always with Free software ;)
[02:10] <tritium> ells, one minute
[02:10] <ian> robertj: I think "wobbly windows" is sort of a plugin effect for Luminocity, although where open source software begins and ends is sometimes hard to say :)
[02:10] <ells> tritium: I am thinking I will have to reinstall.....okay
[02:10] <darkgamer20> thoreauputic: thank you :)
[02:11] <Nibel> is it possible to use native debian packages with ubuntu
[02:11] <darkgamer20> see you everyone
[02:11] <darkgamer20> Nibel: yes
[02:11] <Nibel> ty
[02:11] <thoreauputic> darkgamer20: don't thank me - thank the people who thought up the licences :)
[02:11] <darkgamer20> Nibel: but you should find most of the packages in "Universe"
[02:11] <darkgamer20> bye everyone
[02:12] <typo> the hoary install cd freezes one kernel boot right after saying what's the version of the ACPI subsystem. What should I do?
[02:12] <typo> s/one/on/
[02:12] <thoreauputic> Nibel: possible but not a Good Idea (tm)
[02:12] <ian> typo: on a laptop?
[02:12] <typo> ian: yes
[02:12] <ian> typo: what type?
[02:12] <typo> ian: Asus M2400N centrino
[02:13] <typo> ian: I have been using 2.6.9-ac13 with S3 suspend and all
[02:13] <typo> ian: and ACPI has worked for a long time in this laptop
[02:14] <ian> typo: there are some notes about that laptop here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops  no mention of that problem though
[02:15] <typo> ian: I read those
[02:15] <typo> ian: maybe that was with warty?
[02:15] <robertj> ian: that makes OS X look very restrained
[02:16] <typo> ian: should I try booting with acpi=off?
[02:16] <ian> robertj: I had the same thought. I wonder if Apple will ever allow 3rd parties to make new effects
[02:16] <robertj> I actually like the idea of being able to wave a window to see behind it
[02:16] <ian> typo: I would say try it.  although then you don't have ACPI... :)  how is APM on that laptop?
[02:17] <typo> ian: I don't think it exists even
[02:17] <typo> ian: I'd just have to install my own kernel
[02:17] <typo> ian: not a big problem
[02:17] <typo> ian: right?
[02:17] <ian> I may have to do the same on my T23
[02:18] <ian> not sure-- anyone want to chime in here?  is installing a custom compiled kernel hard on ubuntu?
[02:18] <Vjaz> No harder than on any other distro.
[02:19] <typo> fine, I have a compiled one right there in my home
[02:19] <typo> and since I'm not overwriting that installing it should be fine
[02:19] <typo> off to try
[02:19] <typo> thanks
[02:19] <ian> good luck
[02:19] <typo> should I file a kernel bug about this?
[02:19] <michal_d> hi. will the hoary preview be easily upgradable to the hoary release? i'm not sure which cd image to download
[02:20] <tritium> michal_d, people are already updating their hoary preview installs daily, so yes
[02:20] <michal_d> ok. thanks
[02:21] <geneo93> bbiab
[02:21] <poningru> ok stupid question, I am sure people have been kicked for this, but is ubuntu being combined with user linux?
[02:22] <Fackamato> user linux?
[02:22] <Fackamato> what's that?
[02:22] <poningru> http://www.userlinux.com/
[02:22] <poningru> bbl
[02:23] <EricNeon> 
[02:23] <EricNeon> smurfix,
[02:23] <thundrcleeze> say what?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> poningru: I gather Bruce Perens says no
[02:23] <Vjaz> Does Google work for anyone else?
[02:23] <EricNeon> I got your e-mal,
[02:23] <Fackamato> yes
[02:23] <Vjaz> O_O
[02:23] <EricNeon> thank you
[02:23] <poningru> ?
[02:24] <poningru> so are we combining a distro here?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: heh... never finds what I want! I'm filing a bug ! *grin*
[02:24] <Vjaz> Is Google working right now?
[02:24] <akk> I wonder about the userlinux thing too.  He talks about it but when I've gone to the site there doesn't seem to be much going on.
[02:24] <ian> Vjaz: yes
[02:24] <Vjaz> Aaaaaaaaaaa.
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> vjaz... try this for now? www.teoma.com
[02:24] <Vjaz> Curse the ISP
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> its actually my homepage ;)
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> not my site..I mean the browser homepage
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:25] <poningru> http://lists.userlinux.com/pipermail/discuss/2005-March/007251.html
[02:25] <Vjaz> black_Nightmare: ok, was thinking it's probably a porn site or something
[02:25] <black_Nightmare> vjaz...WTF???? are you crazy?
[02:25] <black_Nightmare> lol
[02:25] <Vjaz> black_Nightmare: which would've been thoughtful also, given the most popular search keywords...
[02:25] <CarlK> duh... what is the irc list wildcard char?  /list #ubunt* is not showing me ubuntu
[02:25] <Markrian> If I installed Hoary Preview now, and updated via APT when the Hoary is released, would I be at any disadvantage to people who installed Hoary final directly?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: you don't have a porn site as your home page? What's wrong with you ? :D
[02:26] <Markrian> i.e., would anything be different on my system/
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:26] <robl^> ubuntu needs some antipsychotic drugs!! its doing very odd things.  its telling me it can't install gnustep because gworkspace.app and viewpdf.app will not be install.. but they are already installed
[02:26] <Vjaz> Hm... Google works again...
[02:27] <Vjaz> Cursed ISP.
[02:28] <michal_d> makrian: i was led to believe "no"
[02:28] <Vjaz> That Teoma site doesn't really look like a match for Google.
[02:28] <Vjaz> The results I got from Google were much more relevant.
[02:29] <Vjaz> I was searching for a keyword in Finnish though, so that might affect the search in a bad way.
[02:29] <Zugot> deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main.... this looks correct?
[02:30] <Burk> hi
[02:30] <phxguy> can anybody in here help me with my screensavers???
[02:31] <thoreauputic> phxguy: hard to say until you specify the problem...
[02:31] <Vjaz> Zugot: I have "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" but it probably makes no difference
[02:31] <Vjaz> I'd say it's ok
[02:32] <Zugot> oops... i used http instead of ftp
[02:32] <Zugot> oops
[02:32] <phxguy> well i have installed my nvidia drivers and everything but when i go to test any of my screensavers they do not seem to work thoreauputic
[02:32] <thoreauputic> phxguy: how are you testing? are you running xscreensaver-demo or what?
[02:33] <phxguy> thoreauputic: in the screen saver window i click on preview
[02:34] <thoreauputic> phxguy: and *none* of them will preview? or just some?
[02:34] <phxguy> thoreauputic: im using KDE and the only ones that preview in the little are the ones from x-screensaver. but when i go to test it it doesn't do anything
[02:35] <struggler> can anyone tell me if you can boot off of software raid 5 using yaboot? and if so, how?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> phxguy: ah, KDE issue I think
[02:35] <thoreauputic> phxguy: I don't have KDE here, sorry
[02:35] <machoo> hi i just plugged in an external hard drive 40gb that I stored my filed (old win xp files) and i can't access them now although the system recognmizes the device
[02:36] <phxguy> thoreauputic: i did some updates today and now im back in the screensaver panel and everything is differnet
[02:36] <thoreauputic> phxguy: maybe ask in #kubuntu
[02:36] <phxguy> could i have been missing a library or something
[02:36] <phxguy> i already asked in  #kubuntu no one there is talking
[02:37] <thoreauputic> phxguy: could be a conflict with the KDE screensaver, but asking in #kubuntu would be an idea, I think
[02:37] <thoreauputic> phxguy: I see
[02:37] <crimsun> machoo: what filesystem?
[02:37] <machoo> uh sorry am new to ubuntu what do you mean?
[02:38] <robertj> beagle's compile page is way out of date for warty now, right?
[02:38] <robertj> err hoary
[02:38] <thoreauputic> phxguy: have you tried turning the kde screensaver off and running xscreensaver-demo from a terminal ?
[02:38] <crimsun> machoo: are those old win xp files on an NTFS partition?
[02:38] <phxguy> Ah Kewl!!!! they are working now
[02:38] <machoo> crimsum: i copied my windows documents to the hdd before switching to ubuntu
[02:38] <machoo> i think so
[02:38] <CarlK> is there a channel that bugzilla anounces to?
[02:38] <machoo> crimsum: i think so
[02:38] <phxguy> I must have been missing something thoreauputic ...
[02:38] <thoreauputic> phxguy: what did you do to make them work?
[02:38] <esher> hmmmm
[02:39] <machoo> crimsum: actually i don't remember formatting the disk myself, i think the guy at the store did it
[02:39] <crimsun> machoo: try mounting it.  First, create a mountpoint, like: sudo mkdir -p /media/windows
[02:39] <esher> where is midnight commander gone in latest hoary ??
[02:39] <phxguy> nothing really.... Like i said earlier i did an update earlier today and now everything is different in there
[02:39] <^thehatsrule^> mc? O.o
[02:39] <machoo> crimsum: baby steps please :) how do I do that
[02:39] <esher> hehe
[02:39] <esher> server install dont have this hehe
[02:39] <madel> hi there...  anyone was aviable to run OpenOffice.org 2 in ubuntu?
[02:40] <esher> and apt-cache search midnight or commander dont find anything
[02:40] <crimsun> machoo: then, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /media/windows
[02:40] <esher> i install now from source :(
[02:40] <struggler> anyone familiar with apple hardware and raid?
[02:40] <CarlK> madel - I would if I could get past an instal hangup -
[02:40] <machoo> crimsum: what app do i use to put these commands in am only familiar with synaptic
[02:41] <crimsun> machoo: those two commands are typed in a Terminal (or Konsole if you're using Kubuntu)
[02:41] <madel> CarlK,  control+c ?
[02:41] <phxguy> thanks for trying to help thoreauputic ... i appreciate it
[02:41] <CarlK> madel - huh?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> phxguy: no worries :)
[02:42] <madel> CarlK, joking...
[02:42] <CarlK> ah
[02:42] <phxguy> thoreauputic: can you help me with something else???
[02:42] <thoreauputic> phxguy: just ask - if anyone can help, they will
[02:43] <machoo> crimsum: i used the first commend and it says to type mkdir --help
[02:43] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me how to disable the x server in the startup ?
[02:43] <ben0ne> thoreauputic, using hoary ?
[02:43] <CarlK> in bugzilla, is there a "related to
[02:44] <machoo> crimsum: thing is I could read the files automatically with warty
[02:44] <crimsun> machoo: sudo mkdir -p /media/windows
[02:44] <CarlK> I see depends and blocks, but want to loosly tie two together
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ben0ne: I'm on warty atm
[02:44] <machoo> crimsum: sorry missed a space
[02:45] <phxguy> For some reason when I try to change the image for my username it tells me that i can't change it and to contact mmy administrator
[02:45] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove should do it, IIRC
[02:46] <machoo> crimsum: it says special drive does not exist but I saw the lights change ont he external drive when it was working on the command
[02:46] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, so, if i do that, after booting, i will have a shell login prompt
[02:46] <BockBilbo> right?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> phxguy: does it ask for a paddword?
[02:46] <phxguy> noope just says i can't change it
[02:46] <BockBilbo> and if then i want to start the X server ill have to do startx
[02:46] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: I believe so
[02:46] <crimsun> machoo: do you have any other external HDs?
[02:47] <crimsun> machoo: is it a USB HD?
[02:47] <machoo> crimsum: yes sorry failed to mention it is a usb external hd
[02:47] <struggler> does anyone know anything about booting raid 5 on a powerpc?
[02:47] <crimsun> machoo: but it's the only one, correct?
[02:47] <machoo> yes
[02:47] <machoo> crimsum: aside from the one i have inside the pc
[02:47] <phxguy> ok i got the exact error msg:  Your administrator has disallowed changing your image.
[02:48] <crimsun> machoo: please tell me privately the output of, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[02:49] <madel> so... no1 has installed openoffice.org2?
[02:49] <Kamakazie> lots of people have
[02:49] <madel> Kamakazie, have you? could you help me?
[02:49] <crimsun> it's a bit crashy for me, madel, when opening large Word documents.
[02:50] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, is this ok?: root@PC-SERVIDOR:/var/www# update-rc.d gdm remove
[02:50] <BockBilbo> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[02:50] <madel> crimsun, you think I should wait for the final release?
[02:50] <crimsun> madel: I'm can't make that recommendation for you, though I'm sticking with 1.1.3
[02:50] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: hmm...not sure on that - maybe someone else can tell you
[02:51] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[02:51] <madel> crimsun, why r you stuck?
[02:51] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, could that be cause im running gdm?
[02:51] <crimsun> madel: I'm not
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if ubuntu works well with TNT2 Pro cards?
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> its 16MB agp :p
[02:52] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: probably - you can try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop to kill X and get a tty
[02:52] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, im actually doing all of this via ssh
[02:53] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: Warty works fine, and Hoary's nv driver works. Hoary's nvidia driver is broken.
[02:53] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: without X or through gdm?
[02:53] <black_Nightmare> crimsun...hrm so I should probably wait for the final release of hoary to ask again then?
[02:53] <BockBilbo> what do you mean?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: was your ssh session using X, and is gdm running on the remote system?
[02:54] <BockBilbo> (i think i have dissabled gdm)
[02:54] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: the Nvidia drivers are not likely to be updated again before Hoary releases.  If you require hardware-accelerated 3D on your TNT2, I recommend you install 1.0-7167 manually.  Otherwise, the 2D "nv" driver works just fine.
[02:54] <BockBilbo> gdm was running on the remote system yes, and my ssh session is using x
[02:54] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:54] <mellinux> Hey fellas, what's the terminal command to reset everything in X?
[02:54] <BockBilbo> but i think ive done it
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> crimsun..ahh ok I see now
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> ty
[02:55] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: OK :)
[02:55] <mellinux> my XF86Config-4 file got messed up..
[02:55] <gankzor> I've got unrar and I want to use it to extract a file from multiple rar files, but it only wants to extract from the first file and not continue to the rest, how do I do this
[02:55] <thoreauputic> mellinux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <black_Nightmare> crimsun its that one local used store has three of these cards in stock -- I'll have try trade my older cards (two are 4MB pci, don't laugh lol) to try get one TNT2 card :p
[02:56] <mellinux> thanks man
[02:56] <thoreauputic> mellinux: assuming you didn't edit it manually
[02:56] <mellinux> i did.
[02:56] <thoreauputic> oh
[02:56] <mellinux> dang
[02:56] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, i wanted to dissable the x server cause i see no use of it in my web server
[02:56] <mellinux> is that henry david thoreau?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> mellinux: in that case, read the top of the file - it tells you how to fix it so dpkg-reconfigure will work
[02:57] <mellinux> i can't read it
[02:57] <BockBilbo> its a really old computer running ubuntu, and makes no sense using resources for nothing
[02:57] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:57] <mellinux> ...x doesn't work at all, i have a big, non-graphic window
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mellinux: of course you can -   less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:58] <mellinux> that's the command to reset it?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mellinux: use the space bar to read each screen
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mellinux: no, that's to look at it
[02:59] <thoreauputic> mellinux: at the top it tells you what to do if you want to reset it
[02:59] <mellinux> ok thanks man =] 
[02:59] <mellinux> be back in a bit
[03:01] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[03:01] <gankzor> How do I get unrar to extract from multiple split archives
[03:01] <robertj> stupid cat
[03:02] <fangorious> what's the no-gui runlevel?
[03:02] <black_Nightmare> so crimsun ~ if I use hoary preview .. the TNT2 Pro card would be a 2D card for gnome ... then I do a manual upgrade (or is that more of downgrade? lol) of the drivers to get full 3D performance
[03:02] <black_Nightmare> right?
[03:02] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: essentially, yes.
[03:03] <thoreauputic> fangorious: debian style distros don't use runlevels for gui/non-gui
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> ty
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> hmm say...
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> have they figured firewire support for linux yet or thats for a future kernel?
[03:03] <fangorious> thoreauputic: so do I have to boot in single-user mode from grub to not get X/gdm loading?
[03:03] <knucks> how do i set up an ftp on ubuntu?
[03:03] <akk> Regular debian seems to use runlevels for gui/nongui (cmdline/x), but ubuntu apparently doesn't.
[03:04] <crimsun> akk: debian does not.
[03:04] <crimsun> akk: 2-5 are identical
[03:04] <gankzor> How do I get unrar to extract from multiple split archives?
[03:04] <black_Nightmare> hm..anyone? :p
[03:04] <thoreauputic> fangorious: you can disable gdm
[03:04] <crimsun> gankzor: extract the first one in the set, and unrar will continue
[03:05] <thoreauputic> fangorious: have a look at the update-rc.d command
[03:05] <fangorious> thoreauputic: and if after installing 5.04 the default boot gives me a blank screen fromwhich I can only ctrl-alt-del to reboot (checking vt1-6 doesn't seem to work)
[03:05] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: for what, mass storage?  That's already functional.
[03:05] <knucks> how do i set up an ftp on ubuntu? please?
[03:05] <fangorious> knucks: and ftp server?
[03:06] <knucks> thats what i want. an ftp server
[03:06] <thoreauputic> fangorious: umm... that sounds like /etc/inittab is fubar, but I may be wrong...
[03:06] <akk> fangorious: How about just apt-get remove gdm?  That's what I end up doing on my debian machines.
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> crimsun ah hmm so the creative soundblaster audigy card is kinda fully useable under ubuntu then? (sound card with one firewire400)
[03:06] <akk> fangorious: Sometimes it comes back (other packages dependant on it) and you have to remove it again.
[03:06] <fangorious> knucks: have you looked at proftpd
[03:06] <knucks> nope
[03:06] <knucks> apt-get it?
[03:06] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: no, firewire support in alsa is forthcoming.
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> ah ok
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> was only curious..I don't quite have any need of firewire yet :p
[03:08] <akk> black_Nightmare: It's a little flaky for mass storage; doesn't work with all hardware.
[03:08] <fangorious> akk: I can't seem to get to a shell at all. I see the boot sequence, and when I expect gdm to load (or a text console login to appear), the screen goes blank.
[03:08] <black_Nightmare> brb for a minute
[03:08] <knucks> ok i got proftpd
[03:08] <akk> fangorious: ctl-alt-F2 ?
[03:08] <knucks> now what?
[03:08] <crimsun> fangorious: what graphics chipset?
[03:09] <fangorious> akk: doesn't do anything. all I can do is reboot via power button or ctrl-alt-del
[03:09] <geneo93> wow got it back
[03:09] <fangorious> single-user seems to give me a shell ... seems X is hanging ... intel i830M
[03:09] <knucks> um..
[03:09] <knucks> i apt-get install proftpd
[03:09] <knucks> now what?
[03:09] <knucks> how do i run it..
[03:10] <fangorious> knucks: check out the man pages for how to configure it. there should be an /etc/init.d/proftpd script to start/stop it
[03:10] <crimsun> fangorious: I believe that's being sorted (i810).
[03:10] <blackzilla> can any one help a begginer
[03:11] <blackzilla> I just installed ubuntu and I can't find my hard drives
[03:11] <knucks> its not a gui?
[03:11] <knucks> i want a gui :(
[03:11] <fangorious> crimsun: how can it still be broken .... every other current distro i've tried works with the chip
[03:12] <fangorious> knucks: uh, i'm not familiar with any gui ftpd config tools on linux. (and i haven't configured proftpd in a couple of years)
[03:12] <akk> Server apps seldom have guis; lots of servers don't even have X installed, so server apps can't rely on them.
[03:12] <knucks> akk: true
[03:12] <Zugot> ok...
[03:12] <knucks> ok so how do i check my ftp?
[03:12] <knucks> i don even know how to work this
[03:13] <Zugot> you can run linux under linux correct?
[03:13] <fangorious> so is there a workaround I can do for this chip?
[03:13] <geneo93> veas
[03:13] <geneo93> vesa
[03:15] <akk> fangorious: In single user mode, you could try update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[03:15] <akk> fangorious: which might get you booting into a cmdline.
[03:15] <akk> (if apt-get remove gdm doesn't work)
[03:15] <blackzilla> please excuse me if Im not familiar with the ettiquette I've never chatterd before but I hope someone can help me find my hard drives
[03:15] <fangorious> akk: yeah, but it seems I'll have to use the VESA driver use X
[03:16] <crimsun> fangorious: I'm not familiar with the i810 and Hoary's X.Org; have you searched bugzilla?
[03:16] <fangorious> crimsun: in the process
[03:18] <fangorious> is the vesa driver VESA or vesa in xorg.conf?
[03:20] <geneo93> fangorious:  just edit xorg,cong and put vesa driver
[03:20] <fangorious> geneo93: couldn't recall the capitalization, vesa seems to be right. C loaded.
[03:21] <fangorious> hrm .. "failed to initialize HAL"
[03:21] <fangorious> C loaded means X loaded
[03:21] <geneo93> hmm ctrl alt backspace
[03:22] <geneo93> or reboot
[03:22] <fangorious> geneo93: X loaded just fine with VESA, fully responsive, just got a big error window that said that, and on OK button, rebooting
[03:23] <daniels> fangorious: what's your problem with i810?
[03:23] <daniels> fangorious: oh
[03:24] <daniels> fangorious: what resolution are you running at?
[03:24] <geneo93> he has a i830m
[03:24] <fangorious> daniels: daniels 1024x768, 24 bpp
[03:24] <fangorious> can't find anything in bugzilla. but I have a history of not being able find things and filing a duplicate
[03:25] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[03:25] <daniels> fangorious: try editing xorg.conf and adding the following two lines:
[03:25] <daniels> HorizSync 36-52
[03:25] <daniels> VertRefresh 36-60
[03:26] <fangorious> I notice the kernel option "splash" in the grub kernel lines. did ubuntu opt to use bootsplash rather than an rhgb type approach?
[03:26] <daniels> fangorious: those go in the Display section
[03:26] <robertj> are there mono 1.1 debs floating around anywhere?
[03:26] <daniels> fangorious: if it doesn't work, try bumping the 52 in HorizSync down to 51 or up to 53
[03:26] <daniels> robertj: nope, we're going with our own solution, called 'usplash' that is somewhere between the two (entirely in userspace, but not invoking X at all)
[03:27] <robertj> daniels: hrmm?
[03:28] <robertj> dnaiels: hehe, I think your answer is matched to the wrong person
[03:28] <fangorious> daniels: I asked about bootsplash. ;)
[03:28] <robertj> and I asked about mono 1.1
[03:29] <geneo93> confused
[03:29] <zul> fangorious: no to bootsplash
[03:29] <daniels> fangorious: yes, but I'm trying to solve your X problem as well without needing to use vesa
[03:29] <crimsun> robertj: work is being done on mono 1.1.  Whether it makes it in for Hoary is another issue altogether.
[03:29] <fangorious> daniels: the Display subsection of the Screen section?
[03:29] <daniels> fangorious: (i'm the xorg maintainer, and would rather like it if it worked out of the box everywhere)
[03:30] <daniels> fangorious: actually, the top-level Monitor section, sorry
[03:30] <geneo93> hehe i have a naked gnome
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possibel to have a 12x dvdrw drive?
[03:30] <sander__> daniels, at this point is the x.org ati driver as good as the binary for ati7500 mobility?
[03:30] <robertj> crimsun: if it makes it will beagle .0.8 go in universe?
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> I thought it was like either 8x or 16x for dvd (dvdrom too even)
[03:30] <fangorious> daniels, looks like it's working
[03:30] <sander__> er radeon 7500
[03:30] <daniels> sander__: fglrx doesn't even work on that chip
[03:31] <sander__> That would be yes then. :)
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> sander.... heh I have an aiw7500 here :p
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> not used thou
[03:31] <mebaran151> Anyone know any phones that sync with Evolution
[03:31] <crimsun> robertj: tseng is the person you should ask.
[03:31] <mebaran151> I was looking at a pretty Sony
[03:31] <mebaran151> but I really would like it to sync with Evolution
[03:32] <fangorious> daniels: is there a gui xorg.conf config tool (other than gvim)?
[03:32] <sander__> black_Nightmare, at some point I went all Athlon/ATI. I don't know what caused it. I t happened so fast.
[03:32] <jordanau> i have a friend that i want to give a lot of files. What is the best way to let him choose the files he wants and download them? should I use vsftpd?
[03:32] <mebaran151> fangorious, you could try gedit
[03:32] <mebaran151> if you just want to edit the text files
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> samder...oh ok
[03:32] <fangorious> lol
[03:32] <Blissex> jordanau: depends on how geeky you are.
[03:32] <mebaran151> the text files are pretty easy to navigate
[03:32] <daniels> fangorious: not really, sorry
[03:33] <fangorious> mebaran151: i meant to avoid hand tweaking the text file
[03:33] <Blissex> jordanau: an HTTP server is an alternative, and HTTP+WbDAV is particularly convenient.
[03:33] <mebaran151> fangorious, just tweek it
[03:33] <fangorious> daniels: no big deal, if it's working it's working
[03:33] <mebaran151> the gui tools I have tried are usually not reliable
[03:33] <mebaran151> I am sure you can handle it
[03:33] <mebaran151> if you installed Linux
[03:33] <mebaran151> you can tweak them
[03:33] <mebaran151> if you want
[03:33] <mebaran151> try xorgconf
[03:33] <mebaran151> it will generate one for you
[03:33] <mebaran151> I think
[03:33] <sander__> And now I find ATI is crappy for linux. I guess until all that fancy cairo/kdrive/gl stuff makes it to my level it doesn't make a difference anyway.
[03:34] <mebaran151> xorgconfig
[03:34] <mebaran151> sorry
[03:35] <fangorious> mebaran151: i was just thinking about the posibility of running such a tool messing up the sync rates I put in by hand sugested by daniels. thanks for the tip on xorgconfig though (and system-config-display on fedora has been pretty good to me)
[03:37] <mebaran151> ah
[03:37] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:37] <mebaran151> if you have weird sync rates
[03:38] <mebaran151> I think it lets you put them in
[03:38] <mebaran151> but if you can put those in
[03:38] <mebaran151> you should be ok
[03:38] <struggler> Anybody seen this on Warty?  GNOME hangs after the login screen before putting up the desktop when connecting from a remote X terminal.  XFCE works fine, so I don't think it is a permission issue.
[03:38] <geneo93> back in a flash
[03:39] <kkathman> can apt-get upgrade just one application?  The newest Firefox is 1.0.2 and the version I have is 0.93.
[03:39] <geppy> No.
[03:39] <fangorious> sweet, only 284 updates available
[03:39] <geppy> kkathman: You could 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox'
[03:39] <kkathman> geppy.. and that would get the most recent?
[03:39] <geppy> kkathman: Yep.
[03:40] <kkathman> I guess only if the recent version was in the archive eh?
[03:40] <ioguix> plop
[03:40] <Roey> hi
[03:40] <Roey> I get this when I start xmms:  21:38:01 kamelot xmms
[03:40] <Roey> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:40] <Roey> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:40] <Roey> wtf?
[03:41] <ioguix> Roey: I had the same pb...
[03:41] <geppy> Roey:  sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[03:41] <mebaran151> Roey
[03:41] <geppy> *sigh*
[03:41] <mebaran151> apt-get install libmikmod2
[03:41] <mebaran151> geppy beat me
[03:41] <mebaran151> haha
[03:41] <geppy> haha
[03:41] <geppy> =)
[03:41] <ioguix> geppy: you're faster than me :)
[03:41] <mebaran151> Geppy wins
[03:41] <crimsun> Roey: that's fixed already.
[03:41] <mebaran151> we should give him a trophy
[03:41] <geppy> hahaha =)
[03:41] <crimsun> Roey: you no longer need the libmikmod/libesd0 workarounds.
[03:42] <mebaran151> I like libmikmod
[03:42] <mebaran151> I dont know what it does
[03:42] <mebaran151> or why I need it
[03:42] <geppy> but, hey, it works
[03:42] <crimsun> it was a libc6 issue
[03:42] <geppy> When will usplash be out?
[03:43] <crimsun> Breezy, perhaps.
[03:43] <crimsun> definitely not in time for Hoary.
[03:43] <struggler> Anyone using Warty/GNOME by way of a Xterminal or Windows running a X server?
[03:43] <geppy> Alright.
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  this ubuntu seems rushed...
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  packages are missing all over the place
[03:43] <geppy> Roey:  Hoary is coming out in a couple of weeks, they can't add anything new.
[03:43] <Roey> crimsun:  they don't have konq-plugins for example, in kubuntu.
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  so they're going to leave it broken like this?
[03:43] <fangorious> daniels: any hint why the i915 kernel module loaded instead of the i830 module? you think that might explain the problem?
[03:43] <geppy> Roey: Kubuntu != Ubuntu
[03:43] <zeratha>  I am having some wierd issues and need help with them. It's on Hoary.
[03:43] <Roey> geppy:  xmms doesn't really work
[03:44] <geppy> Roey:  Hey, it's not broken for me.
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  kubuntu is just a set of packages, it's still ubuntu
[03:44] <geppy> Roey: XMMS works fine for me.
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  didn't here.
[03:44] <geppy> Roey: That sucks.
[03:44] <kkathman> kubuntu = KDE more or less I think
[03:44] <geppy> kkathman: Right.
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  it also formats partitions even though you told it not to
[03:44] <geppy> But, seriously, if you want KDE, use Mepis.
[03:44] <geppy> Roey:  Never happened to me
[03:44] <kkathman> why Mepis?
[03:44] <Roey> geppy:  happened here.
[03:44] <Roey> and the sound drivers are still messed up in the kernel!
[03:44] <geppy> kkathman: Because it's like Ubuntu, but it's based on KDE.
[03:44] <Roey> all this distortion!
[03:45] <geppy> Not for me.
[03:45] <Roey> geppy:  it w3asn't here with kernel 2.4
[03:45] <Roey> sblive.
[03:45] <geppy> Roey: Sounds like your install is jacked up.
[03:45] <geppy> SBLive here, as well.
[03:45] <kkathman> ohh hmm..well my system is pretty minimal and I doubt it would run KDE very well
[03:45] <crimsun> Roey: I don't see 3.4 for kdeaddons
[03:45] <kkathman> I gotta get more memory for this wittle box lol
[03:45] <jordanau> Hi what is the best way to host all of my MP3's for a friend of mine to download?
[03:45] <crimsun> Roey: 3.3.2 for amd64 didn't even build successfully until Feb 26th
[03:46] <Roey> crimsun:  rushed...
[03:46] <kkathman> crimsun, is that because you are in warty?
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> kkath..I'm trying to locate a compactible 128MB stick for my pc's motherboard lol :p
[03:46] <kkathman> I think in warty only the KDE core is available
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> till then..the case is half disassembled (almost all drives out.... all ribbons removed) for now :p
[03:46] <crimsun> Roey: talk to the kubuntu guys
[03:46] <kkathman> you have to go to hoary to get all the KDE addons etc
[03:46] <Roey> crimsun:  I mean in general.
[03:46] <fangorious> jordanau: ftp, webdav, http, sftp, ...
[03:47] <Roey> kkathman:  that I'll ask in #kubuntu
[03:47] <Roey> kkathman:  right now I have issues with non-kde stuff as well.
[03:47] <crimsun> Roey: meaning how?
[03:47] <Roey> crimsun:  how what?
[03:47] <Roey> crimsun:  what the problems are?
[03:47] <black_Nightmare> what is 'kubuntu' anyhow?
[03:47] <Roey> btw
[03:47] <crimsun> Roey: sure.
[03:47] <Roey> black_Nightmare:  a set of packages that makes Ubuntu usable
[03:47] <kkathman> Roey: I understand...I have been researching moving to hoary to get the KDE
[03:47] <black_Nightmare> oh ok
[03:47] <mebaran151> black_Nightmare, you want Ubuntu
[03:47] <mebaran151> but you dont like Gonme
[03:47] <kkathman> theres a good page on it in the wiki
[03:47] <mebaran151> and enjoy German technology
[03:47] <Roey> black_Nightmare:  Kubuntu is a set of KDE debs for Ubuntu.
[03:48] <mebaran151> so you go with Kubuntu and its KDE tech
[03:48] <crimsun> Roey: keep in mind for universe packages, there are barely one dozen of us overseeing fifteen thousand packages.
[03:48] <ogra> mebaran151, LOL
[03:48] <Roey> crimsun:  sure! understood!
[03:48] <black_Nightmare> hm I think I'll stick to gnome -- the least addon/edits I have to do..the easier it'll be for me to get hang of using LINUX as my main computer or something :p
[03:48] <mebaran151> Gnome is cool
[03:48] <Roey> crimsun:  I want to get EVMS off my /boot.
[03:48] <kkathman> gnome is ok
[03:48] <Roey> gnome is cool under six feet of dirt.
[03:48] <Roey> arg
[03:48] <mebaran151> all of them have as mnay bells and whistles
[03:49] <kkathman> I get conflicting opinions over whether Gnome or KDE is harder on resources
[03:49] <Roey> but len(kde.bellsAndWhistles) > len(gnome.bellsAndWhistles)
[03:49] <Roey> kkathman:  gnome is.
[03:49] <Roey> try nautilus.
[03:49] <shank_> kkathman, kde is
[03:49] <machoo> anyone got a limewire equiv for ubuntu?
[03:49] <mebaran151> kkathman, you want resource independence
[03:49] <mebaran151> go with XFCE
[03:49] <kkathman> see :)
[03:49] <shank_> Roey, have you ran any recent very of nautilus?
[03:49] <ian> Roey: you're thinking 2001 ...
[03:49] <typo> ian: the install was flawless
[03:49] <tomcat> Hey all, just got my 1st ubuntu install up!
[03:49] <ian> typo: excellent :)
[03:49] <Quest-Master> Roey: Gnome's main menu in Hoary takes almost 15 seconds to load on my fabulous machine
[03:49] <tomcat> Very nice...
[03:49] <Roey> mebaran151:  everyone says that but kde can be less resource dependent than xfce... it depends on what KDE components you want to use
[03:49] <typo> ian: a quick kernel install later and I have ACPI and sound
[03:50] <kkathman> mebaran...I just have a very minimal system right now...only 96mb memoryUGH
[03:50] <Roey> Quest-Master:  I'm happy your machine is fabulous ;)
[03:50] <crimsun> Roey simply likes kde, let's leave it at that.
[03:50] <shank_> Quest-Master, turn on memory cache'ing of menu items
[03:50] <kkathman> an old Celeron based HP Pavillion I picked up
[03:50] <smouche> xfce4, beautiful.  Log-ins are near instantaneous, window themes are very nice.  Just works.
[03:50] <Roey> Love, don't like. There is no like.
[03:50] <Quest-Master> shank_: I'll try.
[03:50] <mebaran151> XFCE looks nicer
[03:50] <Roey> or actually,
[03:50] <typo> ian: but I'd rather use the ubuntu kernels
[03:50] <Wildthing> does anyone here use irssi?
[03:50] <Roey> Love, like not.  There is no like.
[03:50] <typo> ian: what should I do?
[03:50] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!
[03:50] <shank_> Quest-Master, its more of an issue that it checks the disk for updates
[03:50] <Quest-Master> XFCE looks really nice
[03:50] <shank_> more than an issue of ram usage
[03:50] <Roey> crimsun:  how do get evms off /boot?
[03:51] <Quest-Master> shank_: How do I turn on the cache'ing?
[03:51] <kkathman> mebaran151:  XFCE .. is that in warty hoary?
[03:51] <crimsun> Roey: I have zero experience with evms, lvm, and the like.
[03:51] <ian> typo: maybe send the kernel config to someone.  not sure who
[03:51] <shank_> Quest-Master, it maybe hidden somewhere now
[03:51] <tomcat> I have a question though: How do I get spca50x (or spca5xx?) installed through synaptic? I've got an old intel cs430 webcam I'm trying to get recognized by linux... and I think that's the driver for it...
[03:51] <Roey> crimsun:  oh, ok.
[03:51] <mebaran151> XFCE is everywhere
[03:51] <smouche> I like konqueror better than nautilus, but konqueror keeps krashing on me.
[03:51] <mebaran151> just in univese
[03:51] <kkathman> universe ok
[03:51] <mebaran151> both are unfortunate
[03:51] <mebaran151> I use the commandline
[03:51] <mebaran151> mv and cp
[03:51] <mebaran151> haha
[03:52] <Roey> smouche:  several possibilities there
[03:52] <Roey> smouche:  one is heat
[03:52] <kkathman> I was going to go to hoary, but was told it would be better to wait until after April 1 when it goes official
[03:52] <Roey> smouche:  another is memory quality
[03:52] <kkathman> hey smouche :)
[03:52] <ian> mebaran151: unfortunate?  are you russian by any chance?
[03:52] <mebaran151> no
[03:52] <smouche> hello kkathman, Roey, all!
[03:52] <Vjaz> April 1 would be a fun time for a release.
[03:52] <Roey> hey smouch
[03:52] <zeratha> Hey everyone, I really need help with an issue I am having.
[03:52] <Roey> e
[03:52] <kkathman> Vjaz yah :)
[03:52] <Vjaz> I think it's April 4th really.
[03:52] <mebaran151> I have Russian ancestry
[03:53] <kkathman> yeah I think 4/4 is right
[03:53] <kkathman> sorry bout that
[03:53] <smouche> heat could be it, Roey, my fan may be busted.  Either that or amd64 is surprisingly cool, or the fan is very quiet, or kde is very efficient
[03:53] <Vjaz> Early on the April fools then?
[03:53] <smouche> seems like my system never gets warm.
[03:53] <mebaran151> my system can fry eggs on a bad day
[03:53] <kkathman> smouche if yours is like mine, it has that auto cool feature
[03:53] <mebaran151> cheaper heating
[03:54] <mebaran151> dinner all
[03:55] <typo> ian: what kernel config?
[03:55] <zeratha> Need a hand with a couple apps that don't start properly.....
[03:55] <typo> ian: I installed a 2.6.9-ac13 from kernel.org, not an ubuntu kernel
[03:55] <tomcat> I have a question though: How do I get spca50x (or spca5xx?) installed through synaptic? I've got an old intel cs430 webcam I'm trying to get recognized by linux... and I think that's the driver for it...
[03:55] <smouche> it's a little spooky; fan never seems to kick in.  I should push this thing in windows, check it out...
[03:56] <Wildthing> hello, does anyone here happen to use IRSSI?
[03:56] <smouche> what computer are you using, kkathman?  I didn't know about "auto cool".  Mine's an hp laptop, amd64
[03:57] <kkathman> smouche:  I have an AMD64 based system that I run WinXP on for web development
[03:58] <kkathman> My linux box is a little celeron 500MHz 96MB system that I picked up for almost nothing
[03:58] <Roey> smouche:  heat killed my konqueror all the time
[03:58] <kkathman> I got it to start getting acquainted with Linux and learning
[03:59] <Roey> smouche:  in fact... the stupid thing about the LIBATA, fuck it, is that it won't give you heat information for SATA drives.
[03:59] <sander__> smouche, I've noticed that too. 3.4 uses very little CPU. Much better then gnome on my box.
[04:00] <smouche> yes, sander__, gnome, on my other laptop, athlon xp, really thrashed the cpu.  Couldn't use gimp at all on there...
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> kkath..mine is 300Amhz slot1, only 128MB right now
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> looking to find 2nd stick to get to 256MB total of ram :p
[04:00] <zeratha> All KDE based apps I install fail with a rather long, annoying error message. After installing kubuntu and logging into KDE I get this message: "Could not start process. Unable to create io-slave. Klauncher said Unknown protocol 'file'.
[04:00] <Cube-ness> hmm.. where BESIDES the font prefs would a gnome system font be set? I cant seem to change the app, menu, etc font anymore. well, i can make the change, and its reflected in the prefs, but no apps take the settings
[04:01] <kkathman> black:  Yeah Im going to splurge and spend $80 and get this little Celeron maxed out at 256MB HAHA
[04:01] <kkathman> only two DIMM slots for 128 each lol
[04:01] <rafaeldt> have any one experienced performance problems in xorg after updating to hoary ?
[04:01] <geneo93> hi Cube-ness
[04:01] <Cube-ness> hey
[04:02] <smouche> I don't really have enough ram for transparency.  500 megs -- moving translucent windows around is like sludge
[04:02] <geneo93> i'm stuck here with only a striped gnome
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> kkath.. $80 sounds a bit steep lol
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> mine 128MB stick upgrade (old stick long sold off) was only a few bucks from a local store some years ago :p
[04:02] <kkathman> its "crucial" memory I need to find something prolly less "reputable" hehe
[04:02] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  seems there is a problem with gnome menu
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> LOL kkath :))
[04:03] <kkathman> Crucial being the company..they love sticking it to ya
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> kkath...my small problem with locating the right ram is....
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> its quite an older fsb
[04:03] <kkathman> but its kind of a strange DIMM...way out of date I think
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> :p
[04:03] <kkathman> Crucial was the only people still selling it
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> well mine is one step behind the PC100 if you can guess what it is
[04:04] <kkathman> lol yeah I can definitely relate :)
[04:04] <geneo93> pc66
[04:04] <kkathman> I think this computer seriously only has a 100FSB
[04:05] <kkathman> but I got it for like $14.00
[04:05] <kkathman> cant argue with that
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> geneo..right
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> and the board refuses PC100 sticks so...there (tried once...fully refunded it...end of story!)
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> have to find a PC66 128MB again somewhere :p
[04:06] <kkathman> well crap, must not be any newer firefox in the archives :(
[04:06] <kkathman> 0.93 seems very old to me
[04:06] <kkathman> brb - dinner time
[04:06] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: if it's 168pin pc100 will probably work.  it'll just be reduced to PC66 speed.
[04:07] <Roey> hi
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> caffinated...I think its more of the chipset supporting both 66mhz and 100mhz for that to work
[04:07] <Roey> what's the procedure to get cpu/mobo temp sensors working?
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> I might be wrong thou but I tried once and board didn't even want to use the 'newer' ram stick
[04:07] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: i used to use PC133 ram in a PC100 board without any problems at all.
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> caffinated..thats only because most PC133 already can clock down to PC100
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> but PC66 seem to be its very own specifications
[04:08] <geneo93> PC133 will work also
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> or thats as far as I can tell
[04:08] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: well, i'd just find some and try.
[04:08] <BockBilbo> is it possible to remove a whole directory and the files it has inside with a single command in the shell?
[04:08] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: i'm fairly sure it'll work.
[04:08] <josue> anyone knows of a deb for nvu?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: rm -rf <directory>
[04:09] <BockBilbo> thnks
[04:09] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: but be *sure* :)
[04:09] <BockBilbo> yeah
[04:09] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:09] <black_Nightmare> caffinated..hmm ok....one second
[04:11] <BockBilbo> and
[04:11] <BockBilbo> how do i do to copy a directory into another and allow overwrite?
[04:11] <BockBilbo> see... im upgrading a folder with some newer files
[04:11] <BockBilbo> and directories
[04:12] <alainm> BockBilbo: could you do a cp -R /olddir /newdir?
[04:13] <black_Nightmare> hmmm... $41cdn just for PC100 128MB 3.3V .. damn ... going to have to visit some stores in person and see if I can find anything cheaper
[04:13] <|QuaD-> anyone know why windows requires carriage returns?
[04:13] <Coily> when i install the firefox 1.0.2 tar.gz, should i use -C .mozilla/firefox or should i not use -C (assuming i want to instlal into my home dir)?
[04:13] <BockBilbo> trying that alainm thanks
[04:14] <Markrian> |QuaD-, what do you mean?
[04:14] <|QuaD-> text files
[04:14] <Coily> anyone?
[04:14] <WillySilly> where are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?
[04:14] <tritium> Coily, there's an Hoary .deb of firefox 1.0.2
[04:14] <black_Nightmare> quad..even websites have carriage returns and it usually blotches up your clipboards
[04:14] <black_Nightmare> its stupid lol
[04:14] <Coily> tritium, im not seeing it
[04:14] <alainm> Coily:  what is -C?
[04:14] <Markrian> Coily, I'd suggest not installing firefox like that
[04:14] <Coily> alainm, directory=
[04:15] <Markrian> stick to APT
[04:15] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: hehe yeah, but why
[04:15] <black_Nightmare> no idea :p
[04:15] <tritium> Coily, it's in Hoary main
[04:15] <Coily> marcin_ant, i agree but im not seeing the debian package
[04:15] <Coily> tritium, ack oops hoary not sid :x
[04:15] <Markrian> Security fixes will be backported to Ubuntu's Firefox soon enough
[04:16] <Markrian> It's still a couple of weeks before release as well, so Firefox 1.0.2 might make it in as well
[04:16] <tritium> Markrian, it's in now
[04:16] <Nekohayo> yeah, just appeared today
[04:16] <WillySilly> where are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?
[04:16] <Coily> tritium, im still using warty, im assuming the hoary package will be safe for me
[04:17] <Nekohayo> say, has anyone seen wine in the hoary repositories? mine disappeared, still stuck with the one from warty
[04:17] <Markrian> tritium, they do work fast, don't they
[04:17] <jordanau> anybody here use vsftpd???
[04:17] <tritium> Markrian, yep
[04:17] <Markrian> Coily, why bother?
[04:17] <Coily> Markrian, what do you mean
[04:17] <Coily> Markrian, er, why bother with what?
[04:18] <Markrian> Coily, Hoary will be released in two weeks, just wait for that and then you can upgrade all your pacakges
[04:18] <tritium> Coily, it'll pull in a bunch of Hoary packages if you install it
[04:18] <King_Crimson> i need serious help
[04:18] <Coily> tritium, ok well damn it's either the unsafe 1.0 or the performance failure 1.0.1
[04:18] <Nekohayo> oh too bad, I wanted to do funny helping
[04:18] <geneo93> gun shot wound
[04:19] <King_Crimson> lol
[04:19] <King_Crimson> well
[04:19] <Nekohayo> what's the matter?
[04:19] <Nekohayo> (problem, I mean)
[04:19] <King_Crimson> i tried installing ubuntu and creating a partiion
[04:19] <King_Crimson> but
[04:19] <King_Crimson> it wont let me change the partition
[04:19] <King_Crimson> like i click on partition #1. and i change the size, but it wont change
[04:19] <King_Crimson> it just stays at 40gb
[04:19] <Nekohayo> you have to do "write"
[04:19] <jordanau> dont you have to clear the partition
[04:19] <Nekohayo> it doesn't change anything until you tell it to do so
[04:20] <crimsun> Coily: warty or hoary?
[04:20] <King_Crimson> i dod press tha
[04:20] <King_Crimson> i did do write
[04:20] <Coily> crimsun, warty, i wouldnt have these problems if i was using hoary =[
[04:20] <King_Crimson> i have hoary
[04:20] <Nekohayo> hm, then like jordanau said, did you try clearing it?
[04:20] <crimsun> Coily: why not dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[04:20] <King_Crimson> dud i have windows on there i cnat delete it
[04:21] <Nekohayo> cleaning the linux partition
[04:21] <King_Crimson> i dont have one
[04:21] <Nekohayo> ..........WELL
[04:21] <King_Crimson> i only have 1
[04:21] <Nekohayo> XD how do you want linux to install on top of windows?
[04:21] <Coily> crimsun, i havea feeling this question has been answered a million times before but: is it seemless or should i consider a new partition?
[04:21] <WillySilly> where are the headers for cpp located for ubuntu?
[04:21] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: sounds like you ar trying to resize an ntfs partition - right?
[04:21] <King_Crimson> well i wanted to make the windows partition
[04:21] <King_Crimson> yeah
[04:21] <King_Crimson> exactly
[04:22] <crimsun> Coily: seamless.
[04:22] <Nekohayo> heh, I'll leave you in thoreauputic's more skilled hands ;)
[04:22] <King_Crimson> ok
[04:22] <Markrian> Coily, I believe Ubuntu back port fixes to firefox
[04:22] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: do you have Partition Magic?
[04:22] <King_Crimson> umm no
[04:22] <Nekohayo> anyone seen wine in hoary repositories?
[04:23] <tritium> Nekohayo, yes
[04:23] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: ntfs resizing is kind of tricky
[04:23] <WillySilly> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:23] <King_Crimson> y is that
[04:23] <Nekohayo> tritium, is it a special repo? I'm stuck with my warty version
[04:23] <jordanau> any of you use vsftpd
[04:23] <jordanau> ??
[04:23] <tritium> Nekohayo, it's in universe.  There's also winehq.com
[04:23] <Nekohayo> nope sorry
[04:23] <Coily> Markrian, not for warty...
[04:23] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: I think the qtparted program can do it - if you have a knoppix disc it's on that
[04:24] <Markrian> Coily, what do you mean?
[04:24] <King_Crimson> umm
[04:24] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: also Win XP tends to have unmovable crufy at the end of its partition
[04:24] <King_Crimson> i have the ubuntu live cd
[04:24] <thoreauputic> *cruft
[04:24] <Coily> Markrian, the warty backports does not have upgrades to firefox
[04:25] <King_Crimson> so ur saying i cant have linux = wndows?
[04:25] <King_Crimson> *+
[04:25] <jordanau> yes you can
[04:25] <tritium> King_Crimson, not in the same partition, though
[04:25] <King_Crimson> o
[04:25] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: no, I'm not saying that
[04:25] <jordanau> i am dual booting right now
[04:25] <King_Crimson> yeah i no not in the same partition
[04:25] <Nekohayo> tritium, oooh I just found out my problem while looking at the versions! the current hoary is a 2004xx xx, and mine is likely a warty backport (2005 11 11)... however, I thought I had kicked off the backports when I did my dist ugprade ?_? (I followed a guide about this)... so hoary backports are used for this, or I have to wait for an update here?
[04:25] <jordanau> right
[04:25] <King_Crimson> i just wanna no how to dual boot
[04:25] <Coily> jordanau, omgomg M$
[04:25] <jordanau> haha half life 2 man sorry
[04:26] <Coily> jordanau, haha same reason here ='[
[04:26] <tritium> Nekohayo, I've never touched backports.  You should uninstall it and install the Hoary version if you're in Hoary now.
[04:26] <jordanau> i am not going to spend 5 dollars more a month for not 100% support in cedega
[04:26] <Markrian> Well, I don't mean backports, just security fixes. Fixes of later versions are applied to current apps
[04:27] <jordanau> plus i spent 100 dollars on windows, i can;t just throw it away :-)
[04:27] <Nekohayo> tritium, but it does work for now however... is hoary still stuck with the 2004 12 01 version? might not be worth the downgrade
[04:27] <jordanau> king krimson
[04:27] <Coily> the only times ive booted into xp was to either apply security upgrades or for directx progs
[04:27] <King_Crimson> wut
[04:27] <jordanau> King_Crimson, how big is your hard drive?
[04:27] <Markrian> People still buy Windows? :
[04:27] <tritium> Nekohayo, yes, that's the current version in Hoary
[04:27] <Markrian> p
[04:28] <King_Crimson> 40 gb
[04:28] <King_Crimson> but realy 37.5
[04:28] <tezza> is the latest kernel for hoary the 2.6.10 one?
[04:28] <King_Crimson> or something, 37. something
[04:28] <tritium> yes
[04:28] <jordanau> is it filled up?
[04:28] <King_Crimson> .2
[04:28] <Nekohayo> tritium, thanks
[04:28] <King_Crimson> no i have 4.10 gb left
[04:28] <tritium> Nekohayo, there are newer ones on the way soon
[04:29] <jordanau> that not gonna be alot...
[04:29] <jordanau> i personally would do this...
[04:29] <King_Crimson> yeah i no that the comps almost 5 years old
[04:29] <King_Crimson> yeah i no removable hd
[04:29] <jordanau> I would reforman and reinstall windows
[04:29] <tomcat> Hey all, I'm trying to get the spca5xx driver onto a new ubuntu install... new linux user here and Im stuck with the tar.gz file downloaded...
[04:29] <jordanau> *reformat
[04:29] <thoreauputic> King_Crimson: that's enough to install ubuntu - but you'll only have about 2gigs space left
[04:29] <tritium> King_Crimson, s/no/know ;)
[04:29] <tomcat> What's the command to extract tar.gz?
[04:30] <King_Crimson> thats ok
[04:30] <tritium> tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[04:30] <thoreauputic> tomcat: tar xvzf <file>
[04:30] <King_Crimson> i dunt mind
[04:30] <steven123> Hi
[04:30] <Nekohayo> tritium, cool ;) and do you have an idea if we'll be able to test the scary xorg eyecandy (front page currently on osnews.com) ?
[04:30] <tomcat> tanks guys!
[04:30] <steven123> I just recieved my order of unbuntu cd(s)
[04:30] <steven123> and i wwant to switch over to Unbuntu
[04:30] <tritium> Nekohayo, I haven't seen it.  What is it?
[04:30] <steven123> what games can i play on ubuntu. I play CS, HL2, Steam, Americas army,
[04:30] <jordanau> what windows version??
[04:30] <Nekohayo> tritium, go take a look, well I find that scary.. first time I see this :) wobbling windows
[04:30] <steven123> Can i play these in Ubuntu
[04:31] <King_Crimson> xp
[04:31] <jordanau> steven123, all of them but you will need cedega
[04:31] <steven123> FreE?
[04:31] <steven123> Or Pay
[04:31] <jordanau> pay
[04:31] <King_Crimson> so wat do i do?
[04:31] <jordanau> $5 per month
[04:31] <Nekohayo> SteveA_, america's army has a linux version too
[04:31] <steven123> ok
[04:31] <steven123> cedege nevermind
[04:31] <steven123> i found a torrent
[04:31] <steven123> lol ok
[04:31] <steven123> How about Media
[04:32] <Nekohayo> media?
[04:32] <steven123> Yes
[04:32] <geneo93> King_Crimson:  find a bootleg copy of PM
[04:32] <steven123> .WMV files
[04:32] <jordanau> King_Crimson, fdisk and create a windows partition and then install windows
[04:32] <steven123> Can i install WIndows media player 10 in Ubuntu
[04:32] <jordanau> King_Crimson, can you do that?
[04:32] <King_Crimson> wat
[04:32] <Nekohayo> tritium, it's about Luminocity window manager & Cairo
[04:32] <tritium> Nekohayo, ok
[04:32] <King_Crimson> jordanau: u have aim?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> steven123: um..no
[04:32] <Grexo> when will the new ubuntu website design be live? :)
[04:32] <steven123> Then how i watch stuff?
[04:32] <jordanau> no
[04:32] <King_Crimson> o
[04:32] <King_Crimson> well
[04:32] <King_Crimson> how do i fdisk
[04:32] <steven123> How do i burn a DVD /backit up in Ubuntu?
[04:33] <King_Crimson> i dunt wanna delete all the stuff on my hard drive
[04:33] <Nekohayo> steven123, you don't need windows software for everything
[04:33] <King_Crimson> i just wanna resize the windows partition
[04:33] <jordanau> King_Crimson, join this room #jordanau
[04:33] <arnon> what's ubuntu? some kind of bleeding edge version for debian ?
[04:33] <Nekohayo> there are LOTS of differents apps for every tastes
[04:33] <King_Crimson> yes
[04:33] <thoreauputic> steven123: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats << how to get wmv working
[04:33] <skora> hehe...
[04:33] <Roey> *
[04:33] <Roey> er
[04:33] <Roey> yes
[04:33] <Roey> *.
[04:34] <Roey> heh, sorry:
[04:34] <steven123> ok
[04:34] <skora> stevie, there's different ways of playing media, different programs.
[04:34] <Roey> how do I get rid of evms managing a device?  I don't want evms managing /boot.
[04:34] <skora> linux = lots of choices
[04:34] <Roey> (I selected something right as the text scrolled by)
[04:34] <steven123> What do i sacrifice if i move to Ubuntu?
[04:34] <robster> steven123: only 3 goats.
[04:35] <steven123> what?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> steven123: depends what you want/need to do
[04:35] <steven123> So if i move to ubuntu i can still play games and stufF?
[04:35] <steven123> well i'm just a 13 year old, doing Homework, Games, and Chatting
[04:36] <steven123> ubuntu good idea?
[04:36] <King_Crimson> yes
[04:36] <thoreauputic> steven123: homework=yes chatting=yes games= mostly
[04:36] <alainm> yes
[04:36] <King_Crimson> it comes with openoffice, firefox, and gimp
[04:36] <madel> steven123, yes, with GNU/linux you can do almost anything, and ubuntu is very user-friendly to make the change
[04:36] <steven123> Alright GOODY!
[04:36] <Nekohayo> steven123, only if you are really enthousiastic and have spare time to work on your issues ;)
[04:36] <steven123> How about Virus/Adware/Spyware/Shit/Popups?
[04:37] <alainm> a thing of the past
[04:37] <Nekohayo> steven123, none for now
[04:37] <steven123> ok
[04:37] <steven123> Is Ubuntu the "best" idea?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> steven123: you need to do some research and reading - use the search function on ubuntulinux.org
[04:37] <alainm> i love it..
[04:37] <steven123> he he i know i'm just fooking around
[04:37] <Nekohayo> there's no such thing as "best" :)
[04:37] <steven123> anyway
[04:37] <Ycros> that depends on your definition of best
[04:37] <madel> steven123,  there are no virus/spyware...in GNU/Linux
[04:37] <Nekohayo> maybe... "less suckier" XD?
[04:37] <steven123> So Ubuntu based oN Debian... Are their any good Debian Software
[04:37] <Nekohayo> madel, for now.
[04:37] <Coily> im having problems finding the firefox 1.0.2 (or 1.0.1) warty backport, can someone give me the repository?
[04:37] <steven123> wondering
[04:38] <steven123> there is DEBIAN software?
[04:38] <Nekohayo> what do you mean?
[04:38] <crimsun> steven123: look in universe and multiverse
[04:38] <steven123> Debian popular?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> steven123: there are thousands of software choices
[04:38] <Coily> anyone?
[04:38] <Nekohayo> not only debian-specific
[04:38] <steven123> so then
[04:38] <steven123> i can't say
[04:38] <steven123> use Mandarke 10.1 Software on DEbian?
[04:38] <cleit0n> alguem fala portugues?
[04:39] <Nekohayo> steven123,
[04:39] <geneo93> steven123:  some
[04:39] <skora> steve, all the linux software is based on the source.
[04:39] <thoreauputic> steven123: you don't need to - the same stuff is available for Ubuntu
[04:39] <Nekohayo> something you must understand
[04:39] <Nekohayo> software is not LOCKED into a distro
[04:39] <BockBilbo> cleit0n, #ubuntu-pt
[04:39] <Coily> repeating:
[04:39] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:39] <Coily> im having problems finding the firefox 1.0.2 (or 1.0.1) warty backport, can someone give me the repository?
[04:39] <skora> however, the source can be packaged in different ways: RPM, DEB, etc.
[04:39] <steven123> Ok guys
[04:39] <Nekohayo> Coily, tried ubuntuguide.com?
[04:39] <steven123> Last Question
[04:39] <skora> k
[04:39] <Yomic> Why do I have to install so many libraries to install this one program *_*. This is pissing me off >_<
[04:40] <Nekohayo> .org, sorry
[04:40] <steven123> CAn i burn DVD or make copies in Unbuntu?
[04:40] <Yomic> (Prog is parted)
[04:40] <Nekohayo> yes
[04:40] <skora> don't worry steve, i was in your position a few years ago.
[04:40] <Coily> Nekohayo, yup, i have all the repositories there added
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Coily: is there a burning reason to need it? the wrty firefox has security patches, you know
[04:40] <Nekohayo> you can do anything that another os does
[04:40] <steven123> CAn i burn DVD or make copies in Unbuntu?
[04:40] <Nekohayo> steven123, you can do anything that another os does
[04:40] <Yomic> steven: Stop repeating yourself; and yes, you can >_<
[04:40] <Nekohayo> doing some research for which app you prefer
[04:40] <Coily> thoreauputic, the burning reason i need it is because of the security patches...
[04:40] <steven123> ok
[04:40] <steven123> so if i installk ubuntu
[04:41] <steven123> i can burn dvd right away download software
[04:41] <Nekohayo> steven123, TRY THE LIVECD!
[04:41] <steven123> i did
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Coily: well, warty has updated security on firefox
[04:41] <steven123> well OK i'll use it he he
[04:41] <tritium> steven123, you're doing a lot of repeating
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Coily: just not the version as such
[04:41] <Coily> thoreauputic, youre saying the gif exploits are patched in warty?
[04:41] <jordanau> any vsftpd users here?
[04:42] <Coily> thoreauputic, and the javascript exploits...
[04:42] <steven123> i worry a lot
[04:42] <Nekohayo> steven123, everything has a reason, if it doesn't work out of the box, search in the forums or something
[04:42] <steven123> Anyway
[04:42] <steven123> i going to give this ubuntu a try
[04:42] <bung__> i AM going.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Coily: I don't know the specifics - but firefox, like all other warty apps, gets security updates
[04:42] <bung__> GET security update
[04:42] <bung__> s
[04:42] <bung__> _
[04:43] <bung__> wait, ignore me.
[04:43] <steven123> i reading Ubuntu Review
[04:43] <steven123> bad scores
[04:43] <steven123> 5 comign out son
[04:43] <Coily> thoreauputic, well 1.0.2 was released today so...
[04:43] <steven123> I GOTTA ORDER
[04:43] <bung__> I hate alcholol
[04:43] <bung__> just like I hate your face
[04:43] <thoreauputic> steven123: in the end, you have to make up your own mind
[04:44] <steven123> bah ok guys
[04:44] <Coily> i realy just need to find the wart backports repository
[04:44] <steven123> HMm cedega
[04:44] <Coily> warty
[04:44] <steven123> i come back after installing
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Coily: have you done an update/upgrade today? if firefox is included, the patch has been applied
[04:44] <tezza> what package do i need if i want to recompile the ubuntu kernel ?
[04:44] <Coily> thoreauputic, just did a minute ago
[04:45] <Ghostfacekilla> my Ubuntu seems happy right now
[04:45] <Yomic> Is there a package download that I missed somewhere that prevents me from having to download all these libs to install this one single program?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Coily: I think you are worrying unduly for no real reason, frankly
[04:45] <tezza> yo hmms
[04:45] <Coily> the 1.0.1 backports package was released ON MARCH 15, i had to go through debian to get the package
[04:45] <steven123> FUCKING AWEsome
[04:46] <steven123> opps.. sorry for the bad word.
[04:46] <steven123> found a guide that answered my questions
[04:46] <tritium> Yomic, are you using apt-get to install it?
[04:46] <steven123> GOODY
[04:46] <Coily> even though jdong, from the ubuntuforums, said he released it for warty i can not find it
[04:46] <steven123> thank u guys
[04:46] <Yomic> No, I'm using ./conigure
[04:46] <tritium> Coily, don't panic.
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Coily: I think you may be confusing versions with updates ?
[04:46] <Yomic> .configure *
[04:47] <tritium> Yomic, if you compile your own software, you have to install the libraries you need.
[04:47] <Yomic> :/
[04:48] <typo> should I use polypaudio?
[04:48] <tritium> Yomic, if you get the ubuntu source package, it's easy with apt-get build-dep
[04:48] <Coily> well here's the facts: a package for firefox 1.0.1 has been released, i can not find the package using apt-get update
[04:48] <Coily> id like to know what repository i must add
[04:48] <tritium> Yomic, if you're not using an ubuntu source package, then your'e not tied into apt, and you have to get the build-dependencies yourself
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Coily: of course not - the warty version is like 0.93 - but it gets patches for secuity issues
[04:49] <eyequeue> i thought warty-backports was closed now.  i just got 8 pacakges from warty-backports !
[04:49] <eyequeue> any ideas why?
[04:49] <bung__> it hates you
[04:49] <tritium> Coily, your concern seems to warrant dist-upgrading to Hoary.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> what does restricted mean in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:50] <Yomic> I see; thanks.
[04:50] <bung__> isn't restricted non-free or something?
[04:50] <Coily> hmm
[04:50] <eyequeue> Coily:  Get:8 http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/main mozilla-firefox 1.0.1-2ubuntu1~4.10ubp1 [9374kB] 
[04:50] <tritium> LeeJunFan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[04:50] <Coily> eyequeue, thank you that was what i was looking for
[04:50] <eyequeue> Coily:  meaning it's available in warty-backports, if you choose not to go to hoary at present
[04:50] <Coily> a direct answer to my question wow
[04:51] <tritium> Coily, backports are not recommended.  They will make upgrading to Hoary a PITA
[04:51] <mello> how do i install the latest nvidia drivers?
[04:51] <eyequeue> Coily:  see https://ubuntulinux.oorg/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu :)
[04:51] <Coily> tritium, i see
[04:51] <eyequeue> tritium:  allegedly that's no longer the case (numbering changes?)
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> tritium: doh... thanks.. I was thinking it was an arg. I forgot there could be more than one src on a line.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Coily: you got direct anwers - they just weren't what you wanted to hear
[04:51] <tritium> LeeJunFan, :)
[04:52] <tritium> eyequeue, it's still the case
[04:52] <jordanau> guys i am pretty stuck here
[04:52] <eyequeue> tritium:  in any case, there's a "back out of backports" method right at the top of the forum about it, right?
[04:52] <tritium> eyequeue, no idea.  I don't touch backports
[04:53] <eyequeue> tritium:  all of the forum posts i've read about it seemed to indicate that the dpkg in hoary handles numbering differently now? (hence no longer is an issue)
[04:53] <jordanau> I am running vsftpd and have an ftp server up and running, unfortunately, i can't find where the folder where my ftp stuff is located
[04:53] <Coily> i should point out that i already did the unrecommended 'installing mozilla.org's tar.gz', so i may already be looking at these problems
[04:53] <tritium> eyequeue, the problems are more complicated than just version numbers
[04:55] <|QuaD-> jordanau: i don't have vsftpd on my comp, but did you check the config file?
[04:56] <jordanau> yeah i cant find anything
[04:56] <jordanau> |QuaD-,
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Coily: if you installed the tar.gz to your home dir or /usr/local or sinilar, you should be OK
[04:56] <geneo93> maybe we need split channel one for hoary and one for warty
[04:56] <|QuaD-> jordanau: another thing you can do if you REALLY can't find a config file, is upload something to is, sudo updatedb, locate *filename*
[04:57] <Coily> thoreauputic, whew, ive gotten semi-used to breaking linux installs but avoiding them is nice
[04:57] <jordanau> no i have found the config file okay
[04:57] <madel> hi there...
[04:57] <|QuaD-> jordanau: its gotta be in there
[04:57] <|QuaD-> if you want to post it online somewhere, i can take a look
[04:57] <madel> what is the equivalent to do a rpm -ql  in debian/ubuntu
[04:58] <jordanau> i have an idea
[04:58] <Grexo> woah
[04:58] <jordanau>  join this chat #jordanau
[04:58] <Grexo> no more electricity bills
[04:58] <Grexo> free energy is real
[04:58] <|QuaD-> jordanau: put it ina pastebin
[04:58] <Grexo> :)
[04:58] <Grexo> ubuntu on a computer running free energy :-)
[04:58] <LinuxNIT> can you get xfce4 in ubuntu?
[04:58] <Grexo> amazing
[05:00] <thoreauputic> madel: what did you want to do? tell us that and we can give you a command, probably ( not many here would be familiar with rpm)
[05:00] <jordanau> pastebin?
[05:01] <madel> thoreauputic, I did a apt-get install  quake2, but now want to know what files did that command install
[05:01] <bung__> dpkg -L quake2
[05:01] <bung__> presumably
[05:02] <eyequeue> madel:  dpkg -L quake2
[05:02] <eyequeue> er, yeah :)
[05:02] <jordanau> |QuaD-, I got it fixed thank you for your help,
[05:03] <|QuaD-> np
[05:03] <jordanau> how would i link all of my music files from /media/windows to /home/ftp ??
[05:04] <jordanau> that way people could read them from ftp and i won't have to waste diskspace copying them to a whole new folder
[05:04] <|QuaD-> ln -s
[05:05] <thoreauputic> ln -s /media/windows  /home/ftp  presumably
[05:05] <eyequeue> will all ftpds honour a symlink?
[05:05] <eyequeue> or will he need o check some config file?  (i don't run any ftps, just know symlinks can be an issue elsewhere)
[05:06] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: my guess is its a line in the config
[05:06] <bung__> eww ftp
[05:06] <Desolate> umm, would anyone happen to know why I don't have X11 in /etc/?
[05:06] <bung__> you're on crack!
[05:06] <jordanau> eyequeue, we will find out in a minute and i will be sure to let you know :-)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Desolate: you don't have an X server installed?
[05:07] <Desolate> why wouldn't I?
[05:07] <Desolate> I don't recall even messing with that in the ubuntu install
[05:07] <bung__> yep
[05:07] <bung__> crack
[05:07] <eyequeue> Desolate:  warty of hoary?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Desolate: well, if X is running, you most definitely have X11 in /etc
[05:08] <eyequeue> Desolate:  warty oR hoary?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: either way, he would have an X11 dir in /etc
[05:09] <eyequeue> Desolate:  apt-get install xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if on hoary)
[05:09] <bung__> ...unless he's on crack...
[05:09] <Desolate> oh, I'm running it on Virtual PC btw
[05:09] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  i'm not usre he is though, he's on mirc to get here
[05:09] <bung__> I think you're taking this crack problem of his a bit lightly
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Desolate: that's an upper case X, BTW
[05:10] <Desolate> warty btw
[05:10] <jordanau> The folder "Music" linked and showed up on my server but i get a 550 failed to change directory
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Desolate:  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is probably what you're looking for
[05:11] <|QuaD-> jordanau: make sure permissions are right
[05:11] <Desolate> yes except I don't have X11 :p
[05:11] <typo> should I use apache or apache2?
[05:11] <Desolate> I'll try apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[05:11] <eyequeue> Desolate:  sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[05:11] <jedi> with all these lovely kernel updates, my grub boot list is growing quite long. If i edit menu.lst it will just be regenerated next time another kernel update occurs... how would i go about remove these older kernels?
[05:11] <typo> php4 seams to drag apache2 along
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Desolate: not possible unless you have no xserver installed
[05:11] <Fackamato> :o
[05:11] <geneo93> Desolate:  in terminal type cd /etc/X11
[05:11] <eyequeue> Desolate:  that command will likely bring in a number of other pacakges, if you really don't have that dir
[05:11] <Desolate> which is, I guess, what the case is then, thoreauputic
[05:11] <jordanau> |QuaD-, is the permission created when linking?
[05:12] <eyequeue> typo:  apache2 is the "default" in ubuntu from what i've encountered
[05:12] <Desolate> alright eyequeue, I'll try it
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Desolate: in which case you would be staring at a prompt on tty1
[05:12] <|QuaD-> jordanau: make sure the link and the actuall folder (and files) are atleast read only to everyone
[05:12] <jordanau> may i ask how to check that?
[05:12] <eyequeue> Desolate:  are you a previous linux user?
[05:12] <Desolate> nope
[05:12] <|QuaD-> ls -l
[05:13] <Desolate> this is wierd
[05:13] <Desolate> "xserver-xfree86 is already the newest version"
[05:13] <jordanau> drwxrwxrwx that is the windows directory
[05:13] <jordanau> so we are okay
[05:13] <jordanau> how do i check the link?
[05:14] <|QuaD-> got to the directory, ls-l
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Desolate: umm... you are making some kind of mistake then - /etc/X11 *must* be there
[05:14] <|QuaD-> * ls -l
[05:14] <eyequeue> Desolate:  okay, if you have a graphical user intferface (icons, mouse, etc) then you have X11 running, and hence that directory .... and if you don't know linux from elsewhere, i suspect you would not be comfortable at a commandline ... so, i'm unclear
[05:14] <Coily> since i installed mozilla's 1.0 tar.gz, will i need to do anything extra before upgrading to hoary?
[05:14] <Desolate> eyequeue: I need it to config Virtual PC to 16bit depth
[05:14] <Desolate> instead of 24, which it does not support
[05:14] <eyequeue> Desolate:  as has already been mentioned, i'll repeat:  it is   /etc/X11/   not   /etc/x11/
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Coily: where did you install it? and did you make any symlinks ?
[05:15] <Desolate> aha
[05:15] <Desolate> hehe, ok that solved it :P
[05:15] <Desolate> I feel stupid now, thanks :D
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Desolate: I told you that about 10 minutes ago
[05:15] <Desolate> sorry, I didn't see it
[05:16] <Desolate> had 4 people talking to me at once :p
[05:16] <Coily> thoreauputic, my home dir. i only made a link to the executable
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Coily: should be fine then
[05:16] <jordanau> |QuaD-, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     nogroup        21 2005-03-23 22:08 Music -> /media/windows/Music/
[05:16] <jordanau> that is the link
[05:16] <|QuaD-> jordanau: and it still doesn't work?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Coily: it won't affect your apt stuff - it's independent
[05:16] <jordanau> you want to try
[05:17] <Coily> thoreauputic, gotcha
[05:17] <eyequeue> Desolate:  99% of linux is uppercase, you just stumbled across an exception :)  that said, it is always case-*sensitive* :)
[05:17] <|QuaD-> jordanau: i trust you... did you look in the config file?
[05:17] <Desolate> ah, well thanks
[05:17] <Desolate> I'm a total linux noob :P
[05:17] <jordanau> |QuaD-, for info on linking?
[05:17] <Coily> thoreauputic, should i just try the same thing with mozilla's 1.0.2? if i dont want to upgrade to hoary that is
[05:17] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: heh - I think you meant "lower case" ?
[05:17] <|QuaD-> jordanau: yeah
[05:17] <jordanau> let me check
[05:17] <eyequeue> Desolate:  ugh, retract that ... 99% of linux is *lower*case, heh
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Coily: you can do that, sure
[05:18] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  yeah thanks, i caught it after i sent it ... no need to confuse him further, eh? :)
[05:18] <karsten> what's the supported upgrade path from Debian woody = Ubuntu?  Hoary or Warty?
[05:19] <geneo93> sarge
[05:19] <typo> humm, I installed in english and then told it I was in portugal. It added en_PT to the locale which drives perl nuts. Is this a bug?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> karsten: there isn't a "supported" path, AFAIK :)
[05:19] <eyequeue> karsten:  at this point, for a week or so, i'd say warty is more likely, even though it's not officially supported
[05:20] <karsten> thoreauputic: IIRC there was an item on the Wiki about it.
[05:20] <thoreauputic> karsten: hmm... OK... I guess it's possible - as far as I know, it's not encouraged ;)
[05:21] <eyequeue> karsten:  as a point of interest, i can say i saw someone in here yesterday who had problems because he upgraded from sid to warty, and an ubuntu pacakge version didn't get upgraded, and he got bit (sid's version was missing a file that ubuntus version had, and some other package needed that)
[05:21] <eyequeue> karsten:  sheesh, he went from sid to hoary, sorry
[05:21] <thoreauputic> karsten: but if you're the karsten I'm thinking you are, you will know how to avoid the pitfalls
[05:21] <eyequeue> what's with me tonight?
[05:21] <karsten> thoreauputic: Got someone trying an Debian install w/ ls-120 superdisk, floppy, various rootfs issues.  My recommendation is to either put the HD in another system or another system's CD in this one.
[05:22] <karsten> thoreauputic: I can.  The n00b I'm assisting may not ;-)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> karsten: :)
[05:22] <giard> hi all
[05:22] <karsten> eyequeue: <shudder>
[05:22] <giard> :)
[05:22] <giard> has anyone had any problems with apache2 recently?
[05:22] <eyequeue> i'd suggest heading to stable, then making the step up if you want :)
[05:22] <jdub> karsten: there's no *supported* upgrade path from woody, but either warty or hoary should work ok (helps if whoever's doing it is comfortable with big debian upgrades)
[05:22] <karsten> thoreauputic: Yo're you IRL?
[05:22] <giard> recent updates seems to be giving me trouble with php4 and mysql
[05:22] <karsten> thoreauputic: s/Yo/who/
[05:23] <eyequeue> giard:  the warty version has been working for me here
[05:23] <karsten> jdub: Thanks.
[05:23] <jordanau> |QuaD-, i don't see anything in the manpages of the confiq file under symbolic links or links
[05:23] <giard> eyequeue: cool
[05:23] <karsten> jdub: gnome is f*cke seven ways from sunday, BTW.
[05:23] <giard> anyone using hoary?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> karsten: sorry I lost you there ?
[05:23] <eyequeue> giard:  "recent updates" implies you may be on hoary though, and i can't speak to that
[05:23] <Fackamato> <- hairy hoary
[05:23] <typo> pt_PT.UTF-8@euro isn't generated although it is selected as LC_CTYPE
[05:24] <karsten> thoreauputic: Where do I know you from?
[05:24] <karsten> thoreauputic: ...or vice versa.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> karsten: a /whois tells me who you are and I've red some of your stuff :)
[05:24] <thoreauputic> 8read
[05:24] <thoreauputic> haha
[05:24] <thoreauputic> *read
[05:24] <NormD> giard: I've installed the pre-release from cd and upgraded from there.
[05:24] <karsten> thoreauputic: OK.
[05:25] <giard> when I try to call mysql_connect, the php page dies with "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in..."
[05:25] <karsten> thoreauputic: I get that a lot ;-)
[05:25] <NormD> err..."updated", I suppose is more accurate.
[05:25] <giard> it only seems to not work recently
[05:25] <eyequeue> karsten:  run in fear, even i seem to recognize your name from somewhere, you're infamous :)  (though i just associate it with debian, nothing specific)
[05:26] <karsten> eyequeue: That seems to be my problem.  My name is associated with nothing specific.
[05:26] <giard> could it be something having to do with installing phpmyadmin?
[05:26] <andrewski> anyone have periodic freezes?
[05:27] <eyequeue> lol., no, it's that i'm not heavily immersed, though i guess i'd associate branden with x, things like that, i don't know any of the majority of the faces and their contributions
[05:27] <jordanau> thoreauputic, would the following command help with my problem??? mount --bind /path/you/want/to/include /path/to/vsftpd/docroot/subdir
[05:27] <karsten> thoreauputic: Wrote the book, kthx
[05:27] <thoreauputic> karsten: hehe
[05:27] <karsten> andrewski: How's your swap situation?
[05:28] <giard> nevermind
[05:28] <giard> sigh
[05:28] <andrewski> karsten: none used (at present), don't know about when it freezes, but i have a gig...
[05:28] <giard> I figured it out
[05:28] <giard> thanks
[05:28] <thoreauputic> jordanau: to be totally honest , I haven't a clue
[05:28] <jordanau> actually better question, can i hurt anything doing that?
[05:28] <Yomic> How can I put short-cuts in my Applications -> Subgroup?
[05:28] <karsten> andrewski: ...and what's freezing.  Whole desktop?  Whole system?  Specific apps?
[05:29] <andrewski> karsten: mpd still plays, grip still rips, mouse moves, but nothing responds and i can't ctrl+alt+f1 to the CLI.
[05:31] <akk> andrewski: Keyboard lockup, possibly?
[05:31] <eyequeue> Yomic:  shortcuts?
[05:31] <andrewski> akk: no, the mouse doesn't respond either, just moves.
[05:32] <akk> USB keyboard and mouse?  I wonder if a USB lockup could cause mouse clicks to fail while mouse movement worked?
[05:33] <eyequeue> Yomic:  if you mean a launcher, i can tell you how in warty, but i'm told it's different in hoary
[05:33] <eyequeue> Yomic:  which are you running?
[05:33] <akk> We have a machine that periodically gets usb lockup (keyboard stops working, so does the PDA cradle; no mouse, it's a server).
[05:34] <andrewski> akk: usb mouse.
[05:34] <andrewski> akk: but it still tracks when it freezes. :)
[05:35] <arc_> does anyone knows why gnome-cups-manager package has the smb browsing deactivated?
[05:35] <Inva|id> I am trying to find the kernel header files to install the spca5xx driver, but I don't see any for my kernel : 2.6.10-4-386
[05:35] <Inva|id> any suggestions?
[05:36] <eyequeue> arc_:  wild guess, do you ave full smb support installed?  (i know nothing of it personally)
[05:36] <arc_> eyequeue: yes, that's not the problem
[05:36] <eyequeue> arc_:  at a minimum it would need botht the libraries and the tools pacakges
[05:37] <benjie> hey, rhythmbox is crashing when I try to load it in ubuntu, anyone know how to solve this?
[05:37] <arc_> eyequeue: both libsmbclient and smbclient installed
[05:37] <akk> andrewski: Do you have another machine, so you could telnet/ssh in and poke around, see if the machine is responding to the net?
[05:37] <arc_> eyequeue: I think that the package is not compiled to support that
[05:37] <eyequeue> arc_:  okay, since i have neither a printer nor smb here, i have no further ideas, good luck
[05:37] <andrewski> akk: i could set it up to do that next time it freezes.  should i look at top?
[05:38] <arc_> eyequeue: thanks
[05:38] <eyequeue> i do wish this laptop had a parallel port though, seems odd to have no option to print
[05:38] <arc_> hum
[05:38] <Cube-ness> Ok.. weird.. Is there some weird networking issue lately? suddenly a lot of networky apps dont work.. like not being able to bind 127.0.0.1 and such.. and WHAT is sit0?
[05:38] <arc_> eyequeue no usb port either?
[05:39] <jordanau> thoreauputic, that mount i just made, I need to change the permissions how do i do that?
[05:39] <eyequeue> arc_:  i have 4 of those, heh
[05:39] <Yomic> eyequeue: warty
[05:39] <arc_> eyequeue: there are usb printers :)
[05:39] <thoreauputic> jordanau: chmod
[05:39] <eyequeue> Yomic:  okay, step one, Applcations > run application
[05:39] <thoreauputic> jordanau: or chown for ownership
[05:39] <akk> andrewski: If you can get in, that tells you something (kernel is okay).  Then I might look at dmesg,
[05:39] <andrewski> akk: to check for hw?
[05:39] <eyequeue> Yomic:  in the dialog box that popos up, type "applications:///" and yes that's a tripe slash :)
[05:39] <akk> andrewski: or maybe try other usb stuff (plug in an external storage device or a second mouse or something).
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> Is there a way to change the size of the GNOME system font?  I have changed all font sizes to 8pt in font configuration, but menu and othe stuff is still big
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> like 12 pt
[05:40] <eyequeue> Yomic:  browse through the gui to the subdir you want to be in, and then select "new launcher" or similar phrase
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> I have been all through gconf looking for a setting
[05:40] <oggb4mp3> to no avail
[05:40] <andrewski> akk: seems like it could be X, since my music daemon keeps running.
[05:40] <eyequeue> Yomic:  the rest should be self-evident, but ask if confused
[05:40] <Yomic> Okay, thanks :)
[05:41] <helio7> hey all; i'm trying to get quicktime to work as a plugin through firefox, and one step in the process is deleting "~/.mozilla//pluginreg.dat" where is that?  Any idea why there are two slashes?
[05:41] <akk> andrewski: Oh, could be.  I was thinking ctl-alt-Fn failing meant it wasn't X, but maybe X locks up the kbd and won't let those events get to the kernel.
[05:41] <eyequeue> Yomic:  i'm told "applications:///" went away in gnome 2.10 (==hoary) so add what you want to the menus now? heh
[05:41] <andrewski> akk: dunno.  we'll see next time. :)
[05:41] <Yomic> ;)
[05:41] <eyequeue> anyone here know what the hoary equivalent is?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: there isn't one
[05:42] <jordanau> thoreauputic, i am a lttle confused, i am reading the help file, i ran mount --bind /media/windows /home/ftp what would i do to change to read only?
[05:42] <andrewski> eyequeue: hoary == hoary :)
[05:42] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  how do we get launchers added to the submenus?
[05:42] <eyequeue> andrewski:  ah thanks, i was hoping it wouldn't be too hard, lol
[05:43] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: amaranth has written a python app to do it
[05:43] <andrewski> eyequeue: do you mean the next unstable thing after hoary is stable?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: it's on the forums somewhere - don't have a URl handy
[05:43] <eyequeue> andrewski:  no, read my line above the one you answered :)  i'm looking to add to hoary menus
[05:43] <Amaranth> eyequeue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
[05:44] <andrewski> eyequeue: whoops, too many channels. :)
[05:44] <helio7> where is ~/.mozilla//pluginreg.dat ?
[05:44] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  that's fine, i'm not on hoary yet, just thought it could be useful in doing support
[05:44] <typo> is "Add/Remove Programs" going to get a better list of programs?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> jordanau: read only is 444 but you probably don't want that
[05:44] <eyequeue> it does seem weird that gnome would remove that functionality and someone outside would need to write an app to accomplish it though
[05:45] <jordanau> yes i want read only
[05:45] <thoreauputic> jordanau: it depends what you need
[05:45] <jordanau> vsftpd wont run with the mount i created as write
[05:45] <markybob> who do i change the icon nautilus uses for specific file types?  not just a single file, but all files with such an extension?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> jordanau: chmod 755 is full access, read and execute for group and owner, for instance
[05:45] <eyequeue> read-only because it's an ntfs partition perhaps?  i'd say mount it read-only and don't worry about the perms
[05:45] <thoreauputic> sorry for group and others
[05:46] <jordanau> but no write correct?
[05:46] <typo> anyone know?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> jordanau:  4=read 1= execute
[05:46] <thoreauputic> 2=write
[05:47] <thoreauputic> hence 5= read + execute
[05:47] <giard> I take that back
[05:47] <giard> I can't get any php modules to load
[05:47] <giard> php itself works fine
[05:47] <giard> but trying to use an addon like the mysql plugin or the mhash one doesn't work
[05:47] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  if it's a mount point he needs, talk him through traversal/"execute" :)  i seem to lack communication skills tonight
[05:47] <Yomic> eyequeue: I can't seem to find anything similar to 'new launcher'
[05:47] <giard> and I just reinstalled everything fresh
[05:48] <eyequeue> Yomic:  okay, hang on, let me get where you are
[05:48] <jordanau> so to change the mount permisson (i need to read up on this stuff) chmod 755 in the directory
[05:48] <mconbere> I just installed hoary, I'm trying to get nvidia drivers running, but I need the older version (6111) which doesn't show up on synaptic.  How do I get the older drivers to be avialable?
[05:48] <Yomic> I'm in the folder with the application I want linked.
[05:48] <eyequeue> Yomic:  you're in the subdirectory/submenu that you want?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> jordanau: not *in* the dir - you specify the dir after the chmod command
[05:49] <Yomic> Yes.
[05:49] <eyequeue> Yomic:  don't go to the /usr/bin type place, go to the applications/internet type place
[05:49] <eyequeue> Yomic:  there now?
[05:49] <Yomic> Yes.
[05:49] <Yomic> I see now.
[05:49] <thoreauputic> jordanau: but yes, I suggest you read a bit about hmod/chown
[05:49] <Yomic> Thanks.
[05:49] <thoreauputic> *chmod
[05:49] <Yomic> ;P
[05:49] <eyequeue> Yomic:  menu file, item "create launcher"
[05:51] <thoreauputic> jordanau: to change ownership recursively, for instance, use chown -r group:user
[05:51] <jordanau> jordan@JordanUbuntu:/home/ftp $ chmod /home/ftp/ 755
[05:51] <jordanau> chmod: invalid mode string: `/home/ftp/'
[05:51] <jordanau> this is a mount by the way
[05:51] <eyequeue> 1 2 3 >--> 1 3 2
[05:51] <thoreauputic> jordanau: chmod 755 /path/dir
[05:52] <jordanau> haha
[05:52] <jordanau> jordan@JordanUbuntu:/home/ftp $ sudo chmod 755 /home/ftp
[05:52] <jordanau> Password:
[05:52] <jordanau> jordan@JordanUbuntu:/home/ftp $
[05:52] <jordanau> :-)
[05:53] <thoreauputic> jordanau: done :)
[05:53] <tomcat> hey all, I'm trying to compile a module I'll need for a webcam I've got here, and I'm getting an error...
[05:53] <jordanau> Perfect My FTP server works perfectly,
[05:53] <thoreauputic> jordanau: silence is golden in *nix ;)
[05:53] <tomcat> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/tomcat/Desktop/spca5xx-20050319 modules
[05:53] <tomcat> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found
[05:53] <jordanau> Although i am sure it is as insecure as hell
[05:54] <eyequeue> tomcat:  common.  apt-get install build-essential
[05:54] <jordanau> in one month of linux i have learned that
[05:54] <tomcat> EyeQ: Oh, really... ok, let me try that.
[05:55] <benjie> hey, rhythmbox is crashing when I try to load it in ubuntu, anyone know how to solve this?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> jordanau: man hosts.allow ; man hosts.deny     ;-)
[05:56] <thoreauputic> jordanau: and others.... heheh ... there's a couple of RTFM answers for you :P
[05:56] <eyequeue> tomcat:  the other common building error (not for today, but for the future) you typically need the libfoo-dev version of libraries, not just the libfoo version :)
[05:56] <thoreauputic> benjie: umm... run it from a terminal and see what errors it's spitting out for a start
[05:56] <benjie> ok
[05:57] <benjie> (rhythmbox:13582): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[05:57] <benjie> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[05:57] <benjie> Rhythmbox-ERROR **: file rb-ipod-source.c: line 478 (rb_ipod_get_itunesdb_path): assertion failed: (mount_point != NULL)
[05:57] <benjie> thats the lot of it
[05:57] <jordanau> I will say that i have been a lot better about figuring stuff out for my own in general than i was with windows
[05:57] <kkathman> does anyone know if the new firefox (1.0.2) is anywhere?  It doesnt seem to be anywhere in warty even universe.
[05:57] <jordanau> i still have a long way to go though :-)
[05:58] <eyequeue> jordanau:  it's fun, isn't it?
[05:58] <tomcat> eyequeue: That did it, thx
[05:58] <eyequeue> tomcat:  cool
[05:58] <thoreauputic> jordanau: at least you try - and yeah, linux does that to you
[05:58] <Desolate> I'm trying to install irssi, and I need a bunch of libraries and compilers, so is there an easy way to install some sort of basic dev tools package?
[05:58] <tomcat> Now I have to figure out how to install this module...
[05:58] <jordanau> yeah i should be doing thermodynamics right now but no i am busy setting up a ftp server so my buddy can have all of my mp3s
[05:58] <eyequeue> kkathman:  right.  it is in hoary though
[05:58] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:59] <tritium> Desolate, a package is available.  You don't have to build it
[05:59] <eyequeue> jordanau:  lol, priorities
[05:59] <kkathman> eyequeue:  would I need to change from warty to hoary to get that one package?
[05:59] <Desolate> ah
[05:59] <kkathman> im thinking that if I dont there might be dependency probs
[06:00] <thoreauputic> benjie: are you trying to run it as root? Don't if so
[06:00] <helio7> has anyone succeeded in viewing quicktime as a plugin in side of a webpage?  Is this doable?
[06:00] <eyequeue> kkathman:  "stable" means unchanging except for security fixes, basically.  hoary will be released as stable in a couple of weeks if you'd like to wait
[06:00] <jordanau> spring break in 2 days, i don't have anymore priorities
[06:00] <kkathman> yes I think I'll do that...I just use opera :)
[06:00] <kkathman> I have the current on that one
[06:01] <robl^> anyone know why running GNOME/GTK apps under Windowmaker session will make fonts many times larger than under a GNOME session?
[06:01] <giard> this module thing looks like it has to be a bug
[06:01] <giard> it's showing up on both my computers
[06:01] <benjie> thoreauputic: no, its not as root
[06:01] <eyequeue> helio7:  i've done so, via something or other i read on ubuntuguide
[06:01] <giard> anyone using hoary been playing with php4?
[06:01] <helio7> eyequeue: ok I'll keep looking then thanks (=
[06:01] <eyequeue> helio7:  should be simple to find there, though i don't recall specifics
[06:02] <thoreauputic> benjie: well, it doesn't like your X authentication for some reason - what does  ls -l ~/.Xauthority say?
[06:02] <helio7> eyequeue: so you can hear the music here? http://www.morrisseymusic.com/quicktime/1.html
[06:02] <helio7> (if you don't mind checking (=
[06:03] <typo> what package should I file kernel bugs under?
[06:03] <tritium> type what's the problem?
[06:03] <eyequeue> helio7:  say my name again?
[06:04] <benjie> thoreauputic: how do I check that?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> benjie: benjie: well, it doesn't like your X authentication for some reason - what does  ls -l ~/.Xauthority say?
[06:04] <eyequeue> helio7:  i don't hear it, but i think i have no sound now :/
[06:04] <thoreauputic> ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[06:05] <helio7> eyequeue: lol well you don't see the jigsaw piece suggesting a missing plugin (= right?
[06:05] <invalid|ubuntu> I compiled the spca5xx driver, with no warnings/errors - but I don't see it with modprobe, any suggestions?
[06:05] <tritium> typo, what's the problem?
[06:05] <eyequeue> helio7:  it does fire up mplayer though, which says* it is playing rtsp://(long thing here).mov
[06:05] <pvoce> evening all:)
[06:05] <helio7> eyequeue: thanks
[06:05] <benjie> thoreauputic: its says "ls: /root/.Xauthority: No such file or directory
[06:05] <benjie> "
[06:05] <eyequeue> helio7:  right, it seems my sound is borked, since i dind't here xchat tell me you said my nick either
[06:06] <thoreauputic> benjie: you typed it wrong or as root
[06:06] <eyequeue> helio7:  all indications are that i'd hear it there, if sound worked ... i'll ... gasp, reboot now
[06:06] <benjie> ok
[06:06] <Yomic> Are there any GUI partitioning tools available worth mention?
[06:07] <typo> tritium: the kernel won't boot without acpi=off
[06:07] <typo> tritium: I had to install my own kernel to get ACPI
[06:07] <tritium> typo, that's not necessarily a kernel bug.  It could be your hardware
[06:07] <typo> tritium: it works with other kernels
[06:07] <typo> tritium: what do you suggest I do then?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> benjie: cd /home/benjie ; ls -l .Xauthority
[06:08] <nis> hum.
[06:08] <michael_> hi all.. i've been trying to get my sound working and i found out what the problem is (in hoary).. when i type cat /dev/sndstat it shows that my three audio devices are in the wrong order... i need to change that order around so that my Sound Blaster Live! device is listed first, then my audio WILL work
[06:08] <nis> okay no more popping in and out. sorry.
[06:08] <pvoce> Ill just throw this out there.....has anyone else had problems geting the nvidia-installer to find the proper headers, even AFTER providing the path?
[06:08] <mconbere> anyone know how to get the older nvidia drivers (6111) installed in hoary?
[06:08] <tritium> typo, I guess file a bug if you feel certain about it
[06:09] <Desolate> anyone know how to enable identd?
[06:09] <Desolate> for irc (irssi) and such
[06:09] <typo> tritium: I've compiled a bunch of kernels for this hardware and ACPI has always worked (with more or less bugs)
[06:09] <benjie> thoreauputic: k, that worked.  it says "-rw-------  1 benjie benjie 117 2005-03-23 18:37 .Xauthority
[06:09] <benjie> "
[06:09] <typo> tritium: what package then?
[06:09] <tritium> type linux-image-<version>
[06:09] <tritium> typo
[06:09] <thoreauputic> benjie: OK that looks fine, so that isn't the problem
[06:09] <pvoce> mconbere: I know that synaptic allows to get nvdia drivers for UB, but I dont think theyre HD ACL
[06:10] <nis> Desolate:  cd /etc/rc2.d && ln -s ../init.d/identd .  <- or similar
[06:10] <kkathman> Anyone here running XFCE as their desktop?
[06:10] <Yomic> Where can I find a GUIed partitioning tool?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> benjie: are you trying to play stuff from an external device?
[06:10] <nis> Desolate: and then rename the link:  mv identd S98identd
[06:10] <akk> Yomic: qtparted
[06:10] <akk> Yomic: At least if it works for you.  I haven't had much luck with it.
[06:10] <Yomic> Thanks, but is it apt-get[able] ?
[06:11] <akk> Yomic: Yes.
[06:11] <Yomic> Alrighty.
[06:11] <benjie> thoreauputic: I was wanting to play a cd of mine that I ripped, but since Rhythmbox crashes on opening, I wasnt doing anything other than trying to open it
[06:11] <michael_> hi all.. i've been trying to get my sound working and i found out what the problem is (in hoary).. when i type cat /dev/sndstat it shows that my three audio devices are in the wrong order... i need to change that order around so that my Sound Blaster Live! device is listed first, then my audio WILL work
[06:12] <Brend> Hello. It appears that an IBM utility called "Verify Disk" has just wiped our entire system, without warning. "fdisk /dev/sda" and "fdisk /dev/sdb" report zero partitions. Is there any chance they could be wrong, and is there anything we can do find out?
[06:12] <eyequeue> who was asking for quicktime help?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> benjie: so just typing `rhythmbox` results in a crash?
[06:12] <tritium> Brend, that seems like a question for IBM
[06:12] <typo> tritium: bugzilla doesn't seam to like "linux-image-2.6.10-4-386"
[06:12] <eyequeue> michael_:  sound doesn't work for me in hoary, that fix may be of use here.  what did you do?
[06:12] <benjie> thoreauputic: yes
[06:13] <nis> Brend: if you have an old copy of the partition table (a log of it from fdisk session) just recreate it same parameters as before.
[06:13] <thoreauputic> benjie: :(
[06:13] <michael_> eyequeue: my problem isn't yet resolved
[06:13] <benjie> thoreauputic: exactly
[06:13] <michael_> eyequeue: i know the cause of the problem, not the solution
[06:13] <geneo93> i think that write 0 and 1 to disk iirc
[06:13] <eyequeue> ah
[06:13] <thoreauputic> benjie: try running strace rhythmbox and see if that gives you any clues
[06:13] <Brend> tritium: The question for IBM that is currently foremost in my mind is "What does 'verify' mean, dickheads?" :)
[06:13] <michael_> eyequeue: type cat /dev/sndstat
[06:13] <ioguix> brend there is a program that try to recover partition from a disk
[06:13] <michael_> eyequeue: tell me how many audio devices it lists
[06:14] <eyequeue> michael_:  i had conjectured mine was due to oss and lack of alsa, but not gotten far
[06:14] <ioguix> but i don't remember the name
[06:14] <tritium> Brend, yeah, no kidding :)
[06:14] <ioguix> it is apt-gettable under debian, search under ubuntu...
[06:14] <geneo93> Brend:  i have that ultility here and it writes o's and 1's to disk
[06:14] <eyequeue> michael_:  Audio devices:
[06:14] <eyequeue> 0: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 (DUPLEX)
[06:14] <eyequeue> 1: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem - Modem (DUPLEX)
[06:15] <tritium> typo, perhaps because it's not in the repos anymore.  only 2.6.10-5 now
[06:15] <thoreauputic> benjie: obviously only the last few lines will tell you anything useful (when the crash occurs)
[06:15] <tritium> typo, nevermind
[06:15] <nis> If you don't already have one, make a copy NOW of your partition table:  script && fdisk p q && quit (do the steps omit the && verbiage).
[06:15] <Brend> geneo93, "verify" emphatically does not infer any writing activity :)
[06:15] <eyequeue> michael_:  different devices of course from you, but the duplicity could cause hoary confusion
[06:15] <typo> tritium: should I try a newer kernel first?
[06:16] <tritium> typo, if I were you, I'd have tried 2.6.10-5
[06:16] <geneo93> Brend:  did it not through a caution flag
[06:16] <eyequeue> michael_:  i'm on warty as i type this btw.  it's the hoary livecd that i was testing and it failed
[06:16] <michael_> eyequeue: the liveCD actually worked for me, the installed version does not.
[06:16] <Brend> geneo93: No caution, no confirmation, no explanation, and no indication of what it was doing until it had finished "checking" (read: erasing)
[06:16] <benjie> thoreauputic: well, it fills the terminal with a whole bunch of lines I don't understand, and then crashes just like when I run rhythmbox normaly. the last lines that seem to be of any use are "open("/usr/share/locale/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (Nosuch file or directory)
[06:16] <benjie> open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:16] <benjie> open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", O_RDONLY) = 23fstat64(23, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=14943, ...}) = 0
[06:16] <benjie> mmap2(NULL, 14943, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 23, 0) = 0xb477c000
[06:16] <benjie> close(23)                               = 0
[06:16] <benjie> stat64("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo", 0xbffff038) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:16] <eyequeue> michael_:  heh, figures
[06:16] <benjie> write(2, "\nRhythmbox-ERROR **: file rb-ipo"..., 134
[06:16] <benjie> Rhythmbox-ERROR **: file rb-ipod-source.c: line 478 (rb_ipod_get_itunesdb_path): assertion failed: (mount_point != NULL)
[06:16] <benjie> "
[06:16] <michael_> eyequeue: so i looked at the differences in configuration, and i noticed that the sound blaster live card is listed FIRST for the livecd, and listed LAST for my installed version
[06:17] <michael_> eyequeue: so from that i can conclude that the order of the device matters
[06:17] <typo> tritium: there's also 2.6.11 there, should I try that?
[06:17] <eyequeue> michael_:  hmm, i wonder why the livecd differs?  maybe some devel would know?
[06:17] <tritium> typo, no, that's not supported yet
[06:17] <kkathman> what is the command to add XFCE to the Sessions list when you log on?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> benjie: hrmph - *please* don't paste in the channel like that
[06:17] <typo> tritium: ok
[06:17] <geneo93> well it does erase disk contents the one i have anyway Brend
[06:17] <eyequeue> michael_:  *nod* i'd think so too
[06:17] <Brend> geneo93: Then why isn't it called "Disk Eraser"? :)
[06:17] <ggeecko> anyone here use pine and gmail??
[06:18] <Brend> The irresponsibility of this is just mind boggling.
[06:18] <michael_> eyequeue: im looking into a way to BLACKLIST the devices i don't want
[06:18] <geneo93> its IBM stuff
[06:18] <benjie> thoreauputic: sorry, I'm new at this, my ettiquete is non-exsistent yet. I appologize
[06:18] <michael_> eyequeue: since i can't switch the order(dont know how) at least i can eliminate the unwanted ones from ever loading
[06:18] <eyequeue> michael_:  hotplug, and,um, "that other package" heh
[06:18] <eyequeue> michael_:  man i'm braindead tonight
[06:18] <thoreauputic> benjie: it seems to be having a barf about locales as far as I can see - but I'm not expert enough to parse the problem I'm sfraid
[06:19] <thoreauputic> *afraid
[06:19] <ggeecko> whats the difference between coldplug and hotpkug
[06:19] <geneo93> Brend:  i have the util on floppy but i dont know if i can read it here
[06:19] <Daehlie> what is the default cdrom device in ubuntu, I tried to mount /dev/hdc since my dvd drive is the secondary master
[06:19] <eyequeue> michael_:  i'd blacklist the modem if i needed too, since i haven't used it ever since i got this laptop
[06:19] <michael_> eyequeue: i just found something helpful at http://occy.net/node/57
[06:19] <thoreauputic> benjie: for future reference, use pastebin.com or similar
[06:19] <benjie> thoreauputic: alright, well I'll try to work it out. Thanks anyways for your time and patience
[06:20] <thoreauputic> benjie: good luck
[06:20] <Brend> geneo93: Our best plan right now is to rebuild the server from scratch, reinstall our tools, recover our repositories from checkouts, and then charge IBM for two lost man-months.
[06:20] <benjie> thoreauputic: thanks
[06:20] <michael_> eyequeue: it's basically what we might have to do to get our audio working
[06:20] <eyequeue> michael_:  cool, is that your laptop?
[06:20] <michael_> eyequeue: no, that's just some random site i found
[06:21] <eyequeue> k
[06:21] <geneo93> Brend:  i'm going to see what the readme says if i can
[06:21] <typo> looks like xorg doesn't like being updated while it's running
[06:21] <eyequeue> michael_:  i'll have to see if the modem pops up first in /dev/sndstat tomorrow, that would answer that for me
[06:22] <michael_> eyequeue: okay good luck
[06:22] <typo> should I use a 686 kernel image?
[06:22] <Fackamato> if you have a pentium3 or newer, yes
[06:23] <pvoce> has anyone else had problems installing nvidia drivers from the installer they provided?
[06:23] <Fackamato> not me
[06:23] <Fackamato> what "problems" ?
[06:23] <eyequeue> michael_:  thanks
[06:23] <geneo93> does ubuntu have dosemu by default
[06:23] <tritium> pvoce, I use the ubuntu .debs rather than nvidia installers
[06:23] <Fackamato> geneo93: of course not, maybe in the repos tho
[06:24] <pvoce> I had to get the source headers, but even giving the instaler the path of the headers, the installer cant find them
[06:24] <geneo93> Fackamato:  k thanks
[06:24] <tritium> dosemu is in the repos
[06:24] <eyequeue> geneo93:  Filename: pool/universe/d/dosemu/dosemu_1.2.1-3_i386.deb
[06:24] <pvoce> tritum: I did too, but its not hardware accelerated, or at elast I cant find how to enable acceleration
[06:24] <eyequeue> geneo93:  so you do need universe, not just main
[06:24] <tritium> pvoce, what's wrong with the ubuntu packages?
[06:24] <tritium> yes, it
[06:25] <geneo93> oh i have them all
[06:25] <tritium> is hardware accelerated
[06:25] <geneo93> just trying to look at readme on floppy drive
[06:26] <pvoce> tritum, I beleive you, but I am having a difficult time getting it the card to act like it:)
[06:26] <geneo93> Brend:  looks like i'll have to goto windows machine
[06:27] <Fackamato> all packages are compiled for i386, with no optimizations, right?
[06:27] <typo> why have linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-image-2.6.10-4-386?
[06:27] <pvoce> tritium: the fps rates are so low I wonder if im using an old CL
[06:28] <tritium> pvoce, that's odd - it's accelerated for me
[06:28] <Fackamato> typo: different versions, newer = better
[06:28] <Yomic> This is just a question a couriosity, but, what is the 'windows' key used for in Ubuntu :D?
[06:28] <eyequeue> okay, someone explain this for me please?  Applications > SystemTools .... gkrellm *was* there earlier, but doens't show up now .... yet, it's in the folder when i browse to it via applications://     what gives?
[06:28] <Fackamato> Yomic: nothing by default afaik
[06:29] <typo> Fackamato: but why different packages for different versions?
[06:29] <virtuald> Fackamato: they do have optimizations, but not for newer cpu instructions. that doesn't matter much for other stuff than multimedia apps though, and they are cpu optimized
[06:29] <thoreauputic> typo: because one is an update of the other and some people might need the older one for driver compatibility ?
[06:29] <Fackamato> virtuald: true
[06:29] <typo> thoreauputic: ah, ok
[06:29] <nis> Yomic: to order chaos
[06:29] <tritium> pvoce, I'll be back...
[06:29] <Fackamato> typo: newer stuff might work for others, break stuff for others
[06:29] <Fackamato> and since it's kernels, it's good to have versions to choose frmo
[06:29] <Fackamato> imho
[06:30] <pvoce> not to sound too naive, but is there a setting unique to ubuntu that I am missing?...
[06:30] <virtuald> i wonder if a cpu optimized libc would make a difference
[06:30] <eyequeue> typo:  one other thought, in diagnosing a problem... "which kernel are you running?"  a specific answer might pin down what change broke things
[06:30] <Yomic> How do I do the Linux/Ubuntu equivalent of alt+ codes of Windows
[06:30] <pvoce> its just an older GeForce2 DDR
[06:30] <eyequeue> Yomic:  what does it accomplish, maybe someone knows?
[06:31] <nis> Yomic: I think it works already.
[06:31] <nis> (used to)
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:31] <Yomic> nis: Not for me :/
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> heard ubuntu is getting some frowns and hostility from the debian turf ?
[06:31] <nis> Yomic: stop gdm and try it in vim on console.
[06:32] <typo> eyequeue: yeah, good idea
[06:32] <typo> I'm off to try this new kernel
[06:32] <nis> Yomic: (or hotkey into the console if you can)
[06:32] <nis> (I can't!)
[06:32] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  i'd not heard that
[06:32] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: is this a troll or are you asking for some good reason?
[06:33] <pvoce> all Ive heard is that an invite was extended to userlinux....there was a good write up of Debian in the article
[06:33] <virtuald> anyone here know python? how do i import gethostbyaddr when there's already a line that says "from socket import error as socketerror"?
[06:33] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  i'd imagine IF it was so that it was more likely some human in one project had a sqabble with some human in the other project, people are fallible and all
[06:34] <thoreauputic> pvoce: and Bruce Perens was supportive of Ubuntu in his comments on /.
[06:34] <nis> Yomic: (in vim) :help digraphs
[06:34] <pvoce> sounds trollish if you ask me
[06:34] <pvoce> thor: my ppoint exactly
[06:35] <nis> What's Perens doing these days?
[06:36] <jimarko> good day all :D
[06:36] <eyequeue> other than writing on /.?   i don't know, heh
[06:36] <thoreauputic> nis: user linux as I understand it
[06:36] <nis> thoreauputic: rgr. tnx.
[06:36] <BockBilbo> bye, and thanks for all
[06:37] <geneo93> Brend:  soory cant read any of it its for as400's
[06:37] <typo> 2.6.10-5-686 has the same problem
[06:37] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: well, Perens was actually "responding" to an irresponsible article post on /.
[06:37] <typo> should I file it then?
[06:37] <syn-ack> YAY! the wiki's down,
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:37] <nis> Yomic: you should be able to enter direct ascii digraphs using cat > file at the console, also. iirc.
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> heard that ubuntu is getting some hostility from the debian turf ?
[06:37] <pvoce> yeppers...its a troll
[06:37] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: stop it now
[06:38] <eyequeue> true (i happened to see it, and then the reference to the "invite" thereafter as well)
[06:38] <pvoce> bonbon: too many people who work in the tech field here to stir up
[06:38] <nis> I started an iLamp page on that wiki.  It ate my kernel config, which took me about an hour to copy and paste into the web browser text-input field, a dozen lines at a time.
[06:40] <eyequeue> i wonder if all these channels are getting similar s*-stirring messages as well, with $DISTRO1 and $DISTRO2     ##slackware #archlinux #kubuntu #ubuntu #fedora
[06:40] <regeya_> #kubuntu is not
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: well, the problm was that i got disconnected. sorry... and i am lagging, so i dont know whether its posted or not..
[06:41] <sig> why is acroread and acroread-plugin kept back?
[06:41] <eyequeue> regeya_:  thanks :)
[06:41] <jimarko> Yeah, whats the deal with kubuntu? Which version level of KDE is used?
[06:41] <syn-ack> 3.4
[06:41] <jimarko> o00o..
[06:41] <eyequeue> sig:  most likely, dependencies, unless you have something on hold
[06:41] <syn-ack> on hoary, at least
[06:41] <pvoce> probably....most of us have used more than one....I cut my teeth on slack, used mdk for the past four years, then found ubuntu recently and was bought over
[06:41] <sig> eyequeue: weird
[06:41] <nis> btw if you edit ~/.bashrc and add the statement  'export PROMPT_COMMAND=' it will stop doing *that*
[06:42] <syn-ack> I cut my teeth on RedHat 5.2
[06:42] <pvoce> slack 3.6:)
[06:42] <eyequeue> sig:  i'd try this command to see if it gives enlightmenment: sudo apt-get install acroread
[06:42] <pvoce> aka slack 96
[06:42] <eyequeue> sig:  don't let it complete if you don't like what it says it is about to do
[06:42] <pvoce> old 2.2 kernel:)
[06:43] <pvoce> fvwm for gui
[06:43] <sig> eyequeue: yeah broken packages
[06:43] <sig> thats why
[06:43] <eyequeue> sig:  try   sudo apt-get -f install
[06:43] <syn-ack> Hell, I forget which kernel was in 5.2
[06:43] <sig> eyequeue: why would I do that when I just told you it depends on some packages that are broke
[06:43] <pvoce> that beats me:)
[06:44] <Brend> geneo93, well, thanks for trying. There's an IBM engineer on his way, I'm preparing the staple gun for his arrival.
[06:44] <eyequeue> sig:  i read that as some of your current packages on the box are broken
[06:44] <balzac> i just ordered my ubuntu CDs. It's sweet that shipping is free.
[06:44] <sig> no a newer package it needs is broke
[06:44] <geneo93> Brend:  good luck
[06:44] <pvoce> Brend: be more creative than that...alka seltzer for his birds:)
[06:45] <eyequeue> sig:  if hoary, i guess you could wait a couple of days, though you can check to see if it's reported on bugzilla
[06:45] <geneo93> Brend:  the IBM engineers i met didn't really help much
[06:45] <sig> eyequeue: yeah
[06:45] <sig> oh well
[06:45] <sig> :)
[06:45] <eyequeue> balzac:  welcome (soon) to ubuntu :)
[06:45] <sig> no hurry
[06:45] <sig> I hardly use it
[06:45] <pvoce> bbl all
[06:46] <balzac> eyequeue: thanks
[06:46] <geneo93> funny i have nothing to read pcdos7
[06:46] <balzac> i had two really serious linux geeks recommend ubuntu, plus it's based on debian, so that was enough for me.
[06:47] <nis> nice fonts in ubuntu
[06:47] <balzac> i'm picky as hell about software
[06:47] <eyequeue> balzac: i've been quite pleased with it.. any questions at this point?
[06:48] <balzac> i'm thinking...
[06:48] <nis> I think my idle session problem is solved .. but I haven't let one idle long enough to be sure. ;)
[06:48] <balzac> i'm interested in the people behind it
[06:48] <eyequeue> balzac:  have you run debian before?
[06:49] <balzac> seems like some high-integrity people
[06:49] <nis> (I'd go away and come back to find the Human Family smiling at me .. instead of all the tasks I had going in open windows!)
[06:49] <eyequeue> agreed
[06:49] <balzac> i've messed around with it, but i'm no linux geek. i'm just getting started.
[06:49] <eyequeue> i'm thnkful for their efforts
[06:49] <tomcat> Thx for the nudge there earlier, Eyequeue. I've got my webcam module installed, but I thikn I need to reboot to see if it's working with gnomemeeting (as I quit out of the GM 1st time install and now I can't launch it...)
[06:49] <balzac> debian was the most pleasing linux distro so far
[06:49] <balzac> fedora reeks too much of redhats commercialism
[06:50] <syn-ack> Debain, Ubuntu and Gentoo are the only ones I use anymore.
[06:50] <eyequeue> tomcat:  yeah, modules and anything kernel-related sometimes need that dreaded rebioot, heh
[06:50] <jimarko> balzac: +1
[06:50] <syn-ack> balzac: there is nothing wrong with "commercialism" All I ask is that they make a good distro, and they havent had that since RH 7.3
[06:50] <eyequeue> balzac:  if debian was a comfortable for you, i think you'll enjoy ubuntu
[06:51] <nis> snow plow just went by
[06:51] <jimarko> i came from Fedora C3 to Ubuntu and have used that since.. its nice :)
[06:51] <eyequeue> nis:  where are you located?
[06:51] <balzac> syn-ack, i don't like someone's profit-motive to stink up my experience.
[06:51] <nis> eyequeue: CT USA 73W 42N
[06:51] <eyequeue> s/comfortable/comfortable fit/
[06:51] <croplogic> has anyone else had problems with the warty install?
[06:52] <factotum> by default, does sound work more or less in a "one at a time" way? Like if im playing something in xmms, there wont be any sound for anything else.
[06:52] <syn-ack> jimarko: I came from RedHat 5.2, 6.0, 7.3, 8, 9. CorelLinux, Debian and Gentoo. ;)
[06:52] <syn-ack> jimarko: I consider myself a distro whore.
[06:52] <eyequeue> nis:  ah, i don't know my lat/lon but lake ontario here, warm yesterday, snow today, lol
[06:52] <nis> factotum: depends on method used.
[06:52] <nis> eyequeue: rgr.
[06:53] <michael_> eyequeue: i found the solution
[06:53] <eyequeue> michael_:  great
[06:53] <jimarko> syn-ack: i was a red-hatter previous to Fed, and i'd used debian for server. But yeh, as far as recent desktop dabblings are concerned, Ubuntu is the best IMO
[06:53] <thoreauputic> factotum: I seem to get system sounds when using gstreamer apps like rhythmbox, but not with xmms
[06:53] <geneo93> syn-ack:  i have 4 on this system
[06:53] <michael_> eyequeue: check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21549&highlight=audio+work
[06:53] <syn-ack> balzac: Guess what, You know who Alan Cox is? Hes one of the prim upstream kernel hackers and guess who he works for? RedHat.
[06:53] <nis> factotum: I tried playing 20 songs at the same time thru xmms.  Was ..  'interesting'.
[06:53] <thoreauputic> factotum: I haven't looked into it since I don't care about system sounds ;)
[06:54] <fangorious> so what's the hoary-updates apt repos that are default disabled?
[06:54] <balzac> yeah, he's cool, but it seems like redhat's release schedule is linked too much to their marketing department. i think they have too many suits aboard.
[06:54] <syn-ack> jimarko: Depends on what Im using the distro for, I will use Gentoo for things I wouldnt even think about having a binary distro for. It compiles much cleaner.
[06:54] <factotum> me neither, im in xfce. An example, playing music means no sound from somthing like a flash animation, if i shut off xmms I then get sound
[06:55] <syn-ack> balzac: I think it's all in your head, personally.
[06:55] <nis> thoreauputic: echo "set bell-style none" > ~/.inputrc ;)
[06:55] <factotum> ah well, no biggie. Just wondering if it was normal for it to work that way
[06:55] <eyequeue> michael_:  the problem i seem to have had is ... there seems to be oss but no alsa in hoary ... is this right?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> nis: heh - I didn't mean the system beep - I meant gnome sounds - but thanks for the tip :)
[06:56] <eyequeue> fangorious:  on april 7th, after hoary is released, they will ne no longer disabled
[06:56] <thoreauputic> nis: I should have been more precise :)
[06:56] <croplogic> isnt alsa intertwined with the 2.6 kernel
[06:56] <nis> thoreauputic: altho!  I got an error related to ~/.inputrc the other day I'd never seen before!
[06:56] <eyequeue> fangorious:  consider them a placeholder at present
[06:57] <fangorious> eyequeue, how do they differ from the security updates repos?
[06:57] <syn-ack> croplogic: as is oss.
[06:57] <michael_> eyequeue: i believe alsa is supposed to be there.. go to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector
[06:57] <balzac> debian is the distro which comes closest to having the blessing of Richard Stallman
[06:57] <syn-ack> croplogic: ALSA is more Userspace.
[06:57] <balzac> his blessing means a lot to me.
[06:57] <croplogic> ah
[06:57] <nis> Bless you, my son.
[06:57] <eyequeue> fangorious:  "updates" are changes to the stable release, which only happens for hoary on 6 april
[06:58] <thoreauputic> balzac: don't you mean GNU/blessing?  *grin*
[06:58] <balzac> :)
[06:58] <syn-ack> croplogic: thats one of the main diffrences with OSS and ALSA. ASLA has userspace tools that OSS doesnt. thats why you can do more with it
[06:59] <eyequeue> michael_:  okay, i only saw a lack of alsa in the sound icon on the top right, leftclick and "open volume control" and the mixer there was VERY sparse
[06:59] <nis> Being loyal to Stallman is like being loyal to an alcoholic father who used to be nice to you when you were a little boy.
[06:59] <fangorious> eyequeue: ok, I'll just ignore it untill then. thanks
[06:59] <croplogic> all i know is it's a good thing, beacause it makes the reality of a linux DAW that much more feasible
[06:59] <fangorious> is gnome NetworkManager available? I've enabled the universe repos and still don't see it
[06:59] <syn-ack> nis: I call him Stallin... I slip with that EVERY time... heh
[06:59] <nis> ;)
[07:00] <eyequeue> michael_:  but i hadn't seen system > preferences > multimedia systems selector, so that could be my problem
[07:00] <nis> Ubuntu by definition is about *groups* of people.
[07:00] <balzac> he's more like marx. stalin was only a dictator, but stallman is a visionary.
[07:01] <syn-ack> haha
[07:01] <nis> I'm quite curious to see how many people buy into that meme.
[07:01] <balzac> i like the way stallman has chided the wayward children
[07:01] <eyequeue> nis, well, "humanity toward others" implies not existing in a vacuum :)
[07:02] <nis> balzac: the GPL is viral, and many object to it, and their arguments are decently organized.
[07:02] <Fackamato> hm, when's the next gentoo version coming out
[07:02] <Fackamato> I tried gentoo some 4 months ago, didn't play nice :>
[07:03] <nis> eyequeue: In the spirit of King and Christ .. I love you, eyequeue /Albert /Twin Peaks
[07:03] <syn-ack> Fackamato: Gentoo doesnt have versions.
[07:03] <balzac> it's not just a meme. what they have in common is having their eyes on the utopian future where parasitic, unregulated capitalism is pushed aside.
[07:03] <syn-ack> per se.
[07:03] <nis> (original remark directed to Sheriff Truman)
[07:03] <Fackamato> syn-ack: releases then? :o
[07:03] <balzac> stallman doesn't like small-minded profit-driven motives interfering with his user experience.
[07:03] <fangorious> i'm having trouble with my linksys 802.11b car, should be supported by the orinoco driver
[07:04] <eyequeue> nis:  i suspect i lack the television exposure to understand that properly, but, "um, thanks?" :)  it sounds positive at least
[07:04] <fangorious> car => card
[07:04] <nis> ;)
[07:04] <syn-ack> Fackamato: ask in #gentoo.
[07:04] <W3BMAST3R101> does any one here use tor?
[07:04] <nis> balzac: there's an intolerance under the surface there.   Watch for it, says I.
[07:04] <syn-ack> Fackamato: I still use the 1.4 installer.
[07:05] <eyequeue> fangorious:  i'm about to speak of 802.11g, not 802.11b, so bear that in mind
[07:05] <fangorious> k
[07:05] <Brend> nis, by the time people get to chanting slogans at the capitalist pigs, reasonable suggests are futile :)
[07:05] <Fackamato> syn-ack: Right.
[07:05] <ells> I must ask. Where is the directory where the kernel is kept
[07:05] <Fackamato> /boot/ for the image, /usr/src for the source
[07:06] <tritium> hi ells.  You're back...
[07:06] <Wildthing> is there an equivalent of karamba/superkaramba for gnome?
[07:06] <balzac> nis, one can't be in a hurry for social evolution, but that doesn't mean one has to be satisfied with the status quo. I don't buy into everything either marx or stallman ever wrote, but I can see the parallels between buddhist and socialist principles.
[07:06] <eyequeue> fangorious:  the linksys card, of the *same* model number etc, had at least four different revisions, all of which used a *different* chipset (and thus required a different driver) as ridiculous as that sounds
[07:06] <nis> Brend: when we get to to 'Microsoft Distribution' of Linux then I'm worried.  ;)
[07:06] <jdub> nis: the GPL is not "viral". at every point, someone using GPL code a) has a responsibility to understand the license and b) has every option to not use the code.
[07:06] <tritium> Wildthing, gdesklets
[07:06] <Wildthing> oh ok
[07:06] <Wildthing> i thought those were only for like weather things
[07:06] <nis> ells: /
[07:07] <eyequeue> fangorious:  quite the pain determining this of course, when someone tells you that you need driver "foo" for that model, etc.   is it possible that the same is true of yours?
[07:07] <tritium> ells, shall we finish up the new hard drive stuff?
[07:07] <nis> jdub: Perhaps.
[07:07] <fangorious> eyequeue, i've been using the orinoco driver bundled with the kernel for a long time, FC 1-3, ubuntu warty, ...
[07:07] <balzac> i happen to believe that when people become mature enough to realize their self-interests are aligned with the interests of others, some kind of socialist equilibrium emerges.
[07:07] <jdub> nis: there is no perhaps about it.
[07:08] <Brend> balzac, a whole lot of people through history have believed that, and been emphatically wrong about it :)
[07:08] <eyequeue> fangorious:  oh, the same physical card?  then you know it's that driver, ignore what i said
[07:08] <fangorious> eyequeue, :)
[07:08] <ells> tritium: actually, I got this wireless card, and thought I would try to get it working
[07:08] <nis> jdub: perhaps.
[07:08] <balzac> that is based on maturity and individual development. it can never be forced on people from outside.
[07:08] <ells> tritium: feel up to it
[07:08] <tritium> ells, I have the solution for your hard drive I believe
[07:08] <ells> really
[07:08] <tritium> yeah
[07:08] <michael_> anyone, how do i check what version of kernel i'm running through the terminal?
[07:09] <|QuaD-> jdub: can you comment on the availability of beagle and ifolder in breezy>
[07:09] <ells> well, I am not home right now
[07:09] <tritium> michael_, uname -r
[07:09] <jdub> nis: not a response that indicates you're willing to learn, unfortunately.
[07:09] <nis> jdub: wtf?
[07:09] <tritium> ells, oh
[07:09] <jdub> |QuaD-: beagle might make it into hoary universe, unfortunately the goal posts have been moving a fair bit.
[07:09] <ells> tritium: at school
[07:09] <jdub> |QuaD-: ifolder is still in a pretty terrible state (and doesn't do p2p yet, which makes it far less useful).
[07:09] <ells> tritium: kind of on break
[07:10] <tritium> ells, i see.
[07:10] <ells> tritium: want to try the wireless card, just to see
[07:10] <balzac> Brend, collectivism prevails when conditions are ripe for it. individualism prevails when conditions are ripe for it.
[07:10] <tritium> ells, ok
[07:10] <|QuaD-> jdub: as to beagle... hoary is going to be released in around a week, when would we see beagle? in regards to ifolder: i didn't realize it was in a bad state, it is just a nice way to share files
[07:10] <ells> tritium: I will put the card in then
[07:11] <tritium> ells, /msg me
[07:11] <jdub> |QuaD-: beagle 0.0.7 has already been uploaded, it's just not in yet
[07:11] <ells> cool
[07:11] <tritium> jdub, you rock
[07:11] <jdub> |QuaD-: 0.0.8 requires a new point release of mono
[07:11] <balzac> there's no hurry and no need to politicize it, since it depends entirely upon individual development.
[07:11] <jdub> balzac: this is pretty off topic for this channel, take it elsewhere please
[07:11] <|QuaD-> jdub: its been uploaded? what are we waiting for to allow it to be used?
  locate kernel
[07:12] <jdub> |QuaD-: nothing in particular
[07:12] <|QuaD-> jdub: haha, alright, i am just excited about it, can't wait to try it
[07:12] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/hoary/
[07:12] <jdub> an i386 package available there
[07:13] <|QuaD-> ok :) i will add it
[07:13] <|QuaD-> to ,u apt... thanks
[07:13] <jdub> no, you'll have to download it manually
[07:13] <EricNeon> hello,jdub
[07:14] <jdub> hi EricNeon
[07:14] <|QuaD-> jdub: ohh :( then that throws off apt
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> if anyone here can adapt the gnome-suse netapplet for other systems such as ubuntu, the benefits would be awesome
[07:14] <EricNeon> I am come form China
[07:14] <eyequeue> a gnome 2.10 question, i believe.  will there be a simple mehod to add custom program "launchers" to application submenus? (a la applications:///)
[07:14] <jdub> EricNeon: you're the same eric who requested the cn list?
[07:14] <jdub> ah yes
[07:14] <jdub> cool :-)
[07:14] <netsack> what's the "best" version of gcc/g++ that we should probably install on hoary?
[07:14] <EricNeon> now , the ubuntu wiki site looks has wrong
[07:15] <jdub> eyequeue: not in gnome 2.10, there are a bunch of menu editors available though
[07:15] <crimsun> netsack: the default, 3.3.x, unless you have amd64, in which case you probably want 3.4.x
[07:15] <EricNeon> maybe it is my blame
[07:15] <jdub> EricNeon: what's happened?
[07:15] <eyequeue> jdub:  well, perhaps i should have said s/gnome 2.10/hoary/
[07:15] <netsack> crimsun, thanks.
[07:15] <jdub> eyequeue: not in main
[07:16] <elcu> Hi, anyone willing to answer a few questions 'bout installing the ATI driver?
[07:16] <EricNeon> I create a wiki page for chinese team,then the ubuntu-wiki is down
[07:17] <EricNeon> now ,the ubuntu-wiki main fontpage looks as:
[07:17] <EricNeon> Site error
[07:17] <EricNeon> This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
[07:17] <EricNeon> Error Type
[07:17] <EricNeon>     AttributeError
[07:17] <EricNeon> Error Value
[07:17] <EricNeon>     FrontPage
[07:17] <EricNeon> Request made at
[07:17] <eyequeue> jdub:  seems unfortunate, something to consider for breezy?   i presume theres something in hoary/universe that a relative newbie could be talked through?
[07:17] <EricNeon>     2005/03/24 06:03:38.984 GMT
[07:19] <fangorious> eyequeue, heh, I had the SSID messed up, it works now
[07:19] <EricNeon> jdubcan you fix it?
[07:19] <Wildthing> woah gdesklets just crashed my X
[07:19] <fangorious> so does anyone know if hoary is going to include NetworkManager?
[07:19] <tritium> fangorious, no, it won't
[07:19] <elcu> ok, i'll just put my question out there: according to this guide [http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto] , installing the ATI driver requires the use of apt-get.
[07:19] <eyequeue> fangorious:  heh, glad it's working, frustrating when it turns out to be completely outside where you were looking :)
[07:19] <fangorious> tritium, bummer.
[07:20] <elcu> Problem is, I don't have a working net connection in Linux
[07:20] <jdub> EricNeon: did you edit the front page? if so, what did you change?
[07:21] <nis> EricNeon: I had identical error last night.
[07:21] <EricNeon> I don't know how can I edit the front page
[07:21] <nis> jdub: the wiki's broken.
[07:21] <jdub> EricNeon: did you change anything, or did you just find this?
[07:21] <EricNeon> I add a table for chineseteam
[07:21] <jdub> nis: that's what we're discussing right now.
[07:21] <eyequeue> elcu:  someone else may have a better solution (i hope) ... meanwhile, could you download the files manually (at work) and use floppy or cd to transfer them to your ubuntu machine?
[07:22] <jdub> EricNeon: hrm, well, that page works fine :-)
[07:22] <EricNeon> then I find my wrong,
[07:22] <nis> jdub: the error page served up has no decorations on it at all.
[07:22] <eyequeue> elcu:  actally, you're on now, so could you use that net connection, rather than a work machine
[07:23] <elcu> eyequeue: which files?  i got the rpm from ati.com, is it possible to use that instead?
[07:23] <EricNeon> so I undo something at it
[07:23] <EricNeon> but ,it looks not fine in my firefox
[07:23] <croplogic> anyone know if the apt package for the k7 optimized kernel just "linux k-7"?
[07:24] <tritium> croplogic, apt-cache search linux-image | grep k7
[07:24] <croplogic> thanks
[07:24] <eyequeue> elcu:  no idea which files, i don't ave ati ... what i would do (and this will require booting to linux) run the apt-get command, which of course will not work, but write down the files it tries to grab
[07:24] <Echylo> hmm I see that there is an firefox update will it fix the download bug?
[07:24] <nis> wow.  the error's propagated to the base page of the wiki.
[07:25] <tritium> EricNeon should be commended for bringing up the issue rather than avoiding it
[07:25] <nis> I tried posting almost 1000 lines to a new page last night, and the wiki broke *right then*. /paranoid.
[07:25] <eyequeue> elcu:  then grab them manually, they will end in ".deb" and put them in a work directory you create in linux.  change to that directory and run "sudo dpkg --install *.deb"
[07:25] <elcu> eyequeue: ah, ok.  noob question again: where do i get the files it tells me to get?
[07:26] <eyequeue> elcu:  let me find you an example
[07:27] <embryl> I've got a question about java... does anyone know where java detects/finds what language the applications should be in? All of my java apps are in japanese by default for some reason... i want to change it back to english.
[07:28] <nis> elcu: you can generally prepend 'http://www.mytarget.com/ubuntu/'  to the /pool/foo path and use wget to get the file.
[07:28] <tritium> elcu, which kernel do you have?
[07:28] <eyequeue> elcu:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1/fglrx-driver_2.6.8.1.3-7_i386.deb
[07:29] <nis> right.
[07:29] <nis> prepend 'wget ' to that.
[07:29] <michael_> anyone, i just did a tar xvjf on a tar.bz2 file.. i then tried to do a ./configure.... and i get the error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH... how do i fix this?
[07:29] <eyequeue> elcu:  that's not a file you want probably, but you see the path there?  manually browse to the right location
[07:29] <nis> (and to resume, prepend 'wget -c ' to it)
[07:29] <eyequeue> nis:  i hit the right file, by sheer luck??
[07:29] <elcu> nis: i don't have a working connection in ubuntu
[07:29] <embryl> sorry, it looks like everyone's busy....?  can someone help me search for this answer...? I'm only getting results on google about programming in java...
[07:30] <nis> eyequeue: no I assumed you knew what you were doing, man. ;)
[07:30] <embryl> instead of finding out where java detects its language...
[07:30] <elcu> tritium: i'm running warthog
[07:30] <nis> elcu: try substituting 'ftp://' for 'http://' there.
[07:30] <nis> elcu: in your browser.
[07:30] <tritium> elcu, okay, eyequeue has already pointed you to the right place ;)
[07:30] <eyequeue> elcu:  browse to the  directory that apt-get says the file is in, it will be "most" of what you need, add the rest per my example (like "pool")
[07:31] <eyequeue> elcu:  you'll probably need a coiple of debs, so write down the whole list of what you need while in linux
[07:31] <nis> right.  you can right-click on the file in a good web browser.
[07:31] <elcu> eyequeue: brilliant. i'll try that. thanks
[07:31] <balzac> Echylo, the download bug? You mean how it won't resume?
[07:31] <eyequeue> elcu:  you do know this will require a couple of reboots, right?  sorry i can't think of a simpler way for you
[07:32] <nis> eyequeue: what's they trying to do?
[07:32] <eyequeue> nis:  he needs ati, and i've never touched that, i was just guessing heh
[07:32] <elcu> eyequeue: so using rpms, and then converting them to debs is something to avoid? (sorry, been a mandrake user for a long time, 1st time with ubuntu)
[07:32] <nis> why?  why use ati?
[07:33] <elcu> eyequeue: i'm not afraid of reboots :)
[07:33] <eyequeue> nis:  he's got no net in linux, so he's manually fetching the debs, to dpkg -i after he goes back to linux
[07:33] <nis> why not boot a generic kernel?
[07:33] <elcu> nis: i don't have 3d support
[07:33] <Fackamato> ATi has working 3D acceleration with fglrx .
[07:33] <eyequeue> nis:  i presume he needs ati for his graphics card, though i don't know why he has no net
[07:33] <nis> elcu: you don't need 3d support to use wget tho. ;)
[07:34] <eyequeue> Fackamato:  you mean i stumbled upon the right file by sheer luck ?? :)
[07:34] <PuGz> I HAVE ADSL!
[07:34] <PuGz> for the first time ever!
[07:34] <PuGz> and i thought... what better than to go brag about it!
[07:35] <PuGz> i realise you probably all have it
[07:35] <PuGz> i dont care!
[07:35] <PuGz> hehe
[07:35] <ubuntu> hi, anyone know how to load Ubuntu LiveCD onto RAM so that the DVD-RW drive is free to burn discs?
[07:35] <eyequeue> nis:  i wasn't pointing him to wget because i dind't know the exactr file, wanted him to be able to browse after he found the file requirements (via apt-get)
[07:35] <nis> eyequeue: I threw an old Tatung EGA card into a spare debian box the other day and logged in using my /televsion/ and the composite monitor port of the Tatung card.  No special kernel.
[07:35] <Echylo> no balzac here it won't downloadn anything
[07:35] <Quinn_Storm> PuGz: I have 3 megabit down cable :-P but seriously I know how you feel, when I first got broadband it was amazing
[07:36] <eyequeue> PuGz:  i feel your thrill :)  now, rather than short lines in irc, go download something huge like the kernel source and rejoice, heh
[07:36] <nis> eyequeue: I think I get it. tnx.
[07:36] <virtuald> PuGz: i have an ethernet outlet besides my appartment door :D
[07:36] <Echylo> come on don't ruin his fun
[07:36] <PuGz> Quinn_Storm, mine is 8000 Kbs adsl
[07:36] <PuGz> not bad!
[07:37] <balzac> Echylo, i've never experienced that one.
[07:37] <PuGz> not quite 3 Mb... but 1!
[07:37] <PuGz> virtuald, hehe
[07:37] <Echylo> I'm experiencing it all the time ;)
[07:37] <Quinn_Storm> PuGz: nice, must not be in the US...and if its 8000Kbit that's well over 3Mbit
[07:37] <PuGz> damn its good
[07:37] <|QuaD-> PuGz: i got 2 10mbit connections :)
[07:37] <balzac> v1.01 ?
[07:37] <PuGz> apt-gets are soo much faster now!
[07:37] <Echylo> probably :-)
[07:38] <Echylo> would be bad if it wasn't faster
[07:38] <eyequeue> PuGz:  and um, *cough* graphic web sites, heh
[07:38] <EricNeon> Chinese Ubuntu-Team is out! Welcome to ours channel  ----->#ubuntu-zh
[07:38] <balzac> well, i hope it gets sorted out soon. downloading is the one thing that's troubled me with firefox. resuming downloads, specifically.
[07:38] <Echylo> well 1.02 is out I think
[07:38] <eyequeue> pictures of kitties and doggies, of course
[07:38] <Echylo> jup
[07:38] <balzac> my boy asa is on the case. maybe i can get him to bump up the priority of that bug.
[07:39] <Echylo> lets try the download
[07:39] <eyequeue> EricNeon:  congratulations
[07:39] <EricNeon> thanks a lot!
[07:40] <PacoBCN> hey, has anyone seen NeroLinux?
[07:40] <PuGz> PacoBCN, no
[07:40] <PuGz> whats it like?
[07:40] <PacoBCN> like Nero for windows
[07:40] <PacoBCN> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX_Gallery.html
[07:40] <eyequeue> PacoBCN:  not i, but i've heard it has a reasonable user interface
[07:40] <Echylo> jay balzac error is fixed here(fx 1.0.2)
[07:40] <johngama1000> does anyone know about loading and running Ubuntu LiveCD from RAM?
[07:41] <PuGz> brb - reboot after dist-upgrade
[07:41] <PacoBCN> yes, like the one in WIndows
[07:41] <nis> PuGz: cool.
[07:41] <balzac> Echylo, glad to hear it.
[07:41] <Echylo> hope your bug gets fixed soon
[07:42] <eyequeue> johngama1000:  if you find out, putting it on the wiki would be good for others ... hence, someone might have done that already?
[07:42] <nis> balzac: is that your name?
[07:42] <Echylo> of course he is a famous writer
[07:42] <nis> ah.
[07:42] <Echylo> ah french one :p
[07:42] <PacoBCN> but it's not free
[07:42] <PacoBCN> :D
[07:42] <balzac> nis, just a nick.
[07:42] <Benjamin_L> does anyone here know how to configure webalizer for firefox ?
[07:42] <nis> ;)
[07:43] <eyequeue> Benjamin_L:  is it an extension?
[07:43] <Benjamin_L> its a webstatistic program ^^
[07:43] <Benjamin_L> oops statistics
[07:44] <PacoBCN> read this:
[07:44] <PacoBCN> NeroLINUX is FREE of charge if you register:
[07:44] <PacoBCN>     * A Full Version of Nero Software Version 6.3 or higher
[07:44] <PacoBCN>       Retail Version or Downloaded Version
[07:44] <eyequeue> Benjamin_L:  typically Tools > Extensions, then slect the one you want, then click Options
[07:44] <Benjamin_L> i know how to install extensions :)
[07:44] <Benjamin_L> but i want firefox to show up in the statistics, anyone got a good .conf file for that ?
[07:46] <|QuaD-> Benjamin_L: as in you want to know how many people use ff?
[07:46] <Benjamin_L> yeah, at the moment i only see the different user agents in the statistics but I want to group the same ones
[07:46] <michael_> eyequeue: okay i found the definite solution to the problem.. i know this because IVE GOT SOUND FINALLY! :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=100610&postcount=7
[07:46] <EricNeon> this is kubuntu living in chinese http://www.linuxsky.net/down/ftproot/incoming/f33k4/scrothot/01015.png
[07:48] <eyequeue> michael_:  cool
[07:49] <eyequeue> michael_:  i'd say the only barrier i might encounter then is if for some reason the alsamixer and friends are somehow omitted from the livecd
[08:00] <lrojas> could i realistically expect to perform a succesfull install of this : LAMP, WINE, CEDEGA, Mono-Project, PPTP MPPE, FireWire, USB FileSystem, gtkPod, QuickTime, mp3, DivX, RealMedia.
[08:01] <n4cht> ok... how hard will it be to upgrade from warty to hoary?  according to the website, you should never have to 'reinstall'.. so does that mean all upgrading is done online, like it suggests?
[08:02] <tritium> lrojas, you might look at vpnc if you have a vpn that uses pptp or mppe
[08:02] <eyequeue> n4cht:  simple, as far as your typing a few things, but could be long if you're on dialup
[08:03] <eyequeue> n4cht:  you edit a file, /etc/apt/sources.list, then type two commands, then wait an eternity if you're on dialup for the downloading, heh
[08:03] <n4cht> eyequeue, that's awesome.   i'm considering making the switch from mepis to ubuntu.  with mepis, to upgrade, you have to keep /home in a diff. partition, and 'preserve' it after downloading, and burning the newest copy of mepis.
[08:03] <nis> yeah I still haven't chosen a kernel source yet.
[08:03] <nis> I'm still leaning toward the benh kernel if it's still active.
[08:04] <_4`aw> n4cht> hoary is an ubuntu version
[08:04] <eyequeue> n4cht:  well, the "official" recommendation no doubt is probably to back up your /home beforehand, that's a good precaution, but i'll bet 99% will upgrade without it and have no problem
[08:05] <n4cht> eyequeue, excellent.
[08:05] <nis> The 'passwd -l' issue is unresolved in warty-powerpc for runlevel 1.  Wiki (or the doco, can't recall) says its resolved tho.
[08:05] <n4cht> what kernel does hoary come with?
[08:05] <lynxx> so kopete got shut down?
[08:05] <samatman> got a question
[08:06] <eyequeue> n4cht:  2.6.10 i think, but i'm on warty
[08:06] <Fackamato> n4cht: up to 2.6.11 is available, I think it comes with 2.6.10 by default, or 2.6.8
[08:06] <Fackamato> Are there any issues with the AMD64 version of Hoary?
[08:06] <Fackamato> Or does everything work as good as on 32bit.
[08:06] <samatman> i had no problems at all
[08:07] <eyequeue> Fackamato:  "come" yes, i know i heard someone saying something today, though it sounded minor ... it's still not release date after all
[08:07] <eyequeue> some
[08:07] <samatman> how od you find out if you have hoary or warty?  i forgot to label my burned cd's so i picked one and installed
[08:07] <nis> holy <foo> it's after two.
[08:07] <Fackamato> it's 8am and I haven't slept yet ;P
[08:07] <elcu> eyequeue: back again. i'm really sorry to ask again, i wrote down the dpkg command and saved the ftp site, but i forgot the apt-get command to check which packages i need.
[08:07] <eyequeue> samatman:  dpkg -l dpkg
[08:07] <n4cht> i'm running warty livecd right now.   i couldn't decide between warty or hoary, but now that i know hoary comes with a kernel newer than 2.6.7, i think my decision has been made.
[08:08] <Fackamato> n4cht: No need to use warty over hoary imo. :>
[08:08] <Fackamato> s/need/reason
[08:08] <eyequeue> elcu:  let's see, the ati right?  you said you had some web site with directions?  i don't know it offhand, but run whatever that website said
[08:08] <eyequeue> n4cht:  ii  dpkg           1.10.22ubuntu2 Package maintenance system for Debian
[08:08] <samatman> nothing says 'hoary' or 'warty'
[08:09] <n4cht> thanks a bunch folks.  i'll be back (hopefully) in the next hour or so, running hoary.  :)
[08:09] <samatman> 1.10.22ubuntu2 is warty?
[08:09] <eyequeue> n4cht:  that's the output for that i get on warty, if you have hoary, it will be higher
[08:09] <nis> an HOUR!
[08:09] <nis> ;)
[08:09] <samatman> ahh, ok
[08:09] <elcu> eyequeue: "sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx"? [http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto] 
[08:10] <kkathman> hey eyequeue was it you that mention XFCE earlier?
[08:10] <n4cht> nis, it usually only takes me 25 mins or so to install most distros.  factor in rebooting to mepis, downloading the hoary iso, and burning it.. then installing, i'd say about an hour.
[08:10] <eyequeue> elcu:  okay, run that command in linux, and write down all the errors it gets
[08:10] <nis> gah. that's awesome, n4cht.
[08:10] <n4cht> bbs!
[08:10] <elcu> thanks again.
[08:10] <eyequeue> elcu:  and of course, any other commands it suggests
[08:11] <eyequeue> kkathman:  nope, sorry
[08:11] <nis> elcu: what OS u use to get the files?
[08:11] <elcu> nis: i'm on xp at the mo'
[08:11] <kkathman> well, maybe you can help..I did an apt-get install xfce but it doesnt show up in my Sessions now
[08:11] <nis> elcu: so add XP filesystem support to linux and mount the volume.  ;)
[08:12] <elcu> eyequeue: do you mean "packages" it suggest?
[08:12] <lynxx> Shorewall any good?
[08:12] <eyequeue> elcu:  yes, there may be more than one, the rest will be dependencies, and are equally as needed
[08:12] <caffinated> nis: you shouldn't need to add it to ubuntu - it comes with NTFS readonly support out of the box ;)
[08:12] <caffinated> though, it doesn't seem to add the entries to fstab, and it probably should
[08:13] <elcu> nis: i already mounted windows in ro mode
[08:13] <eyequeue> lynxx:  no personal experience, but i know some admins that swear by it, and i generally respect them
[08:13] <lynxx> ty eyequeue
[08:13] <nis> elcu: so it's just the matter of accessing the outside world via ethernet or modem?
[08:13] <elcu> caffinated: i had problems with grub not booting windows
[08:13] <XbruceX> is NNTP authentication clear-text like FTP
[08:13] <elcu> nis: yes that's right, my dial-up modem doesn't seem to work with any distro so far
[08:13] <nis> elcu: can  you minicom to a shell account at your ISP?
[08:13] <lynxx> you have any personal favs eyequeue?
[08:13] <eyequeue> lynxx:  of course, those who want to do everything manually will tell you it's vile, heh
[08:13] <caffinated> elcu: interesting, it worked for me without any tweaking at all.  ubuntu was very good with the grub bootloader
[08:14] <samatman> what package do i d/l for kernel sources?
[08:14] <nis> elcu: and use sz?
[08:14] <samatman> is it the [kernel #] .orig.gz?
[08:14] <lynxx> lol god forbid you should have to do any work running linux huh eyequeue lol
[08:14] <elcu> caffinated: well, i had drake 9.1 and i overwrote the partitions.  plus i'm a noob i guess.
[08:14] <Beirdo> Heya all...
[08:14] <nis> elcu: winmodem?
[08:14] <caffinated> elcu: oh.  well, frying your partitions would probably stop you from booting an OS heh
[08:15] <eyequeue> lynxx:  i actually tend to go with raw iptables, but i don't have a bias against something like that, want to play with it when i have free time
[08:15] <Beirdo> anyone here use vservers under hoary preview?
[08:15] <elcu> elcu: never bothered to try, i'm afraid
[08:15] <lynxx> roger that eyequeue
[08:15] <elcu> whoops
[08:15] <elcu> :)
[08:15] <nis> heh
[08:15] <eyequeue> lynxx:  firestarter is popular, and the ubuntuguide explains its isntallation
[08:16] <nis> elcu: what does 'ls -la /dev/ttyS0' say?
[08:16] <elcu> nis: i mainly use linux for work.  i spend more time in windows.
[08:16] <elcu> nis: i'm not in linux so i couldn't tell u
[08:16] <deFrysk> elcu, windows needs a lot of spending time yes
[08:16] <eyequeue> elcu:  which you use for play? :)
[08:16] <nis> elcu: do u have a 2nd working machine or do u reboot each time?
[08:17] <lynxx> rgr that eyequeue
[08:17] <elcu> eyequeue: windows
[08:17] <eyequeue> elcu:  though i'd die if i had to, i can see an advantage to *not* having the net when you hav to get work done, no distractions
[08:17] <elcu> nis: dualboot. bit of a pain, i know, but i'm sharing the comp with Windows users who wouldn't think of changing.
[08:17] <nis> elcu: got it.
[08:18] <nis> elcu: so we can't interact with u when Linux is up, is that it?
[08:18] <phxguy> real e-z question... I think. what is the command to stop the xserver
[08:19] <elcu> nis:yep, i'm not willing to go the full transition anyway.  u can probably tell i have had problems in the past.
[08:19] <eyequeue> you probably want    sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:19] <nis> phxguy: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if gdm is running)
[08:19] <deFrysk> init 2
[08:19] <phxguy> thanks
[08:19] <nis> elcu: you seem well-adjusted to me. ;)
[08:19] <eyequeue> deFrysk:  actually, in ubuntu runlevels 2 3 4 and 5 are the same
[08:20] <deFrysk> eyequeue, ooh
[08:20] <elcu> eyequeue: i still manage to find ways to procrastinate in linux though.  i have a tv in the same room. :)
[08:20] <eyequeue> elcu:  heh, there's always a way to avoid work
[08:20] <phxguy> nis: do i need to have sudo in front of that?
[08:20] <nis> phxguy: yes
[08:20] <phxguy> ok thanks for your help
[08:20] <elcu> nis: cheap shot :)
[08:20] <nis> phxguy: root is the only one who can stop gdm
[08:21] <eyequeue> phxguy:  sudo means "do this as root" which is needed for most anything that would effect all users on the machine
[08:21] <nis> phxguy: that command tells the start-stop daemon to stop gdm.
[08:21] <lynxx> hrm at first i didnt like ubuntu but...i think im really starting to get into it
[08:22] <elcu> well, i'm off.  u might be seeing me again.  hopefully to announce success. :)
[08:22] <elcu> thanks again.
[08:22] <eyequeue> cool
[08:23] <nis> elcu: good luck.
[08:23] <lynxx> gl elcu
[08:23] <nis> except for a winmodem he should have ppp by now.
[08:23] <nis> or maybe it's a newfangled USB support issue.
[08:23] <samatman> what are the linux image packages i see?
[08:24] <nis> samatman: kernels?
[08:24] <eyequeue> samatman:  kernels
[08:24] <nis> samatman: might c.f. the days when  you had to burn a kernel to a diskette to boot Linux.
[08:25] <lynxx> lol
[08:25] <samatman> yefah
[08:25] <samatman> yeah
[08:25] <samatman> i'm looking for kernel sources and i keep seeing things that say 'image' and 'orig
[08:25] <nis> The standard compile of the kernel produces an image suitable to directly dd it to a disk.
[08:25] <eyequeue> samatman:  look for linux-source, under l
[08:25] <samatman> under l?
[08:26] <eyequeue> samatman:  you're in the archive?  pool?
[08:26] <samatman> ?
[08:26] <samatman> i haven't seen the phrase archive or pool so i can't say
[08:26] <samatman> i'm searching from google
[08:27] <n4cht> yay.  hoary is more than half-way downloaded.
[08:27] <eyequeue> Index of /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1
[08:27] <samatman> on my machine?
[08:27] <eyequeue> on http://archive.ununtu.com/
[08:27] <samatman> ahh, thanks
[08:27] <eyequeue> spelled right of course
[08:27] <nis> n4cht: I grabbed about 360 megs of .deb files to get warty going .. via 56k dialup. ;)
[08:28] <lynxx> wth
[08:28] <lynxx> my root password isnt working when i want to open firestarter
[08:28] <n4cht> i'm so glad it's debian based.  i haven't used anything but debian in 3 years when i switched from slackware.
[08:28] <eyequeue> or just wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.12_all.deb
[08:29] <eyequeue> lynxx:  user password, for sudo
[08:29] <samatman> ok
[08:29] <nis> lynxx: sudo passwd root
[08:29] <samatman> cool
[08:29] <samatman> do i want .deb .dsc?
[08:29] <samatman> .diff.gz?
[08:29] <eyequeue> samatman:  you want the deb
[08:29] <nis> samatman: .dsc for source-builds (dpkg-source I think)
[08:29] <eyequeue> samatman:  the others are used to build debs btw
[08:29] <n4cht> 360mb?  pfft.   that's nothing.  i've been downloading for 17 mins, and i've snagged over 400MB of hoary.  :D
[08:29] <nis> ouch.
[08:30] <nis> otoh I have no place to store 400MB.
[08:30] <din> i'm just wondering, what kind of package management does ubuntu have? is it an rpm distro?
[08:30] <deFrysk> rpm ? buhahahahah!!
[08:30] <n4cht> it's debian based.
[08:30] <eyequeue> samatman:  typically, you always want the deb, unless you want to manually change things around while making your own version of a deb
[08:30] <n4cht> so... .deb.  dpkg.
[08:31] <n4cht> how many rpm distros are there anyway?  just redhat and fedora, right?
[08:31] <nis> din: dpkg
[08:31] <din> mandrake
[08:31] <deFrysk> n4cht, and mdk
[08:31] <eyequeue> n4cht:  and a ton of variants
[08:31] <samatman> uname -a produces:  2.6.8.1-3-386    and i see this:  l linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.12_all.deb
[08:31] <samatman> will that work?
[08:31] <din> well i'm migrating from gentoo cuz of hd failure
[08:31] <eyequeue> samatman:  yes
[08:31] <samatman> for compiling modules?
[08:31] <din> i don't have the time to sit 6 hours to reinstall gentoo
[08:31] <eyequeue> samatman:  yes
[08:32] <n4cht> din, ubuntu uses dpkg, which also means apt.  (apt is very similar to emerge)
[08:32] <samatman> danke
[08:32] <eyequeue> din:  it's a different mindset from gentoo, be aware
[08:32] <nis> din: I migrated off gentoo last week.
[08:32] <deFrysk> din if you like gentoo you could do a quick gentoo install with vidalinux
[08:33] <din> well i'm tired of gentoo for a while
[08:33] <din> i need a change :)
[08:33] <eyequeue> din:  slackware may be closer, if you want that
[08:33] <n4cht> i got sick of gentoo fast.
[08:33] <deFrysk> din, compiling is highly overrated
[08:33] <din> nah, don't like slackware
[08:33] <deFrysk> ;p
[08:33] <din> yeah i know
[08:33] <din> i had this gentoo install for over 2 years
[08:33] <eyequeue> i don't want slack either, nothing against patrick
[08:34] <nis> din: a gentoo devel told me 'gentoo is for developers'
[08:34] <din> nis: well i like it a lot.. portage owns
[08:34] <deFrysk> speed/bleeding makes ubuntu a good choice after leaving gentoo
[08:34] <nis> portage rox
[08:34] <din> but i'm ready for something different
[08:34] <nis> I'll .. miss it.
[08:34] <n4cht> din, if you want something that installs fast, has an amazingly simple package management system, and just plain works...  i'd suggest anything debian based.  i've been using mepis for a while, switching to ubuntu right now.
[08:34] <eyequeue> nis:  "what i use is for people like me" iow, heh
[08:35] <nis> I also miss the colorized sysvinit
[08:35] <deFrysk> n4cht, mepis is too slow and too kde centric
[08:35] <din> well i'm dling the hoary iso right now, so...
[08:35] <nis> eyequeue: sounds vaguely like David Byrne lyrics ;)
[08:35] <eyequeue> nis:  ubuntu has the tiniest taste of colorized, a fail is red
[08:35] <din> you guys wanna see my last screenshot?
[08:36] <samatman> why not
[08:36] <n4cht> deFrysk, first thing i did was ditch kde and switch to fluxbox.  :P
[08:36] <din> before migrating hehe
[08:36] <deFrysk> n4cht, hehe :D
[08:36] <nis> I had /one/ gentoo box and about 6 debians.  now I got 7 debians (and chroot into gentoo once in a while)
[08:36] <eyequeue> nis:  boot some time with no net, and you'll see the time sync fail for example
[08:36] <Hayden>  i've already got ubuntu installed, if i install kubuntu can i delete all the gnome-related files later with ease?
[08:36] <n4cht> i'm probably gonna ditch gnome with ubuntu and use fluxbox too.  i'm a fluxwhore.
[08:36] <din> http://img215.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img215&image=mplayerdock9so.jpg
[08:36] <nis> well 6 debs 1 ubuntu ;)
[08:36] <din> <-- fvwm guy
[08:36] <lynxx> heh had to open it in root terminal...
[08:36] <nis> eyequeue: yes I seen red ;)
[08:37] <deFrysk> din, my desk (ubuntu) http://johanvrt.tomaatnet.nl/mygnome2.10.png
[08:37] <samatman> what do you do with a .deb package?
[08:37] <samatman> go to console the the sh thingy?
[08:37] <n4cht> i just hope the installation process is easy.  i'm trying to ditch my windows partition and share my mepis swap with ubuntu.
[08:38] <ells> can anyone tell me where the linux source directory is on the system
[08:38] <eyequeue> samatman:  in a terminal, type "sudo dpkg --install *.deb"
[08:38] <deFrysk> ells, /usr/src/
[08:38] <eyequeue> samatman:  in a terminal, type "sudo dpkg --install big-long-filename.deb"
[08:38] <ells> thats it
[08:38] <n4cht> ells, uh.. what do you mean by 'source directory' ?  you mean the root dir, or /usr/src?
[08:38] <ells> not /usr/src/Linux or something
[08:39] <din> deFrysk: looks good
[08:39] <nis> samatman: 'ar x file.deb' to unpack it; dpkg -i file.deb to install it.
[08:39] <din> deFrysk: i'm no gnome guy at all though
[08:39] <din> :)
[08:39] <ells> n4cht /usr/src
[08:39] <deFrysk> din, a few tweaks from art.gnome.org and gdesklets ;)
[08:39] <nis> samatman: skip the 'ar' part, that was pedantic.
[08:39] <ells> deFrysk, not /usr/src/Linux or something
[08:39] <eyequeue> samatman:  -i is short for --install, just wanted you to know what it was baout, not to make you type more, heh
[08:39] <din> deFrysk: well i scripted my desk
[08:40] <din> the config file is some 1100 lines long
[08:40] <n4cht> has anyone had any problems with getting gdesklets working with ubuntu?  i could never get it to work with mepis, but that's likely because, as was mentioned earlier, it's too kde-centric.
[08:40] <nis> ells: /usr/src/linux/ is usually a soft link to /usr/src/<kernel-variant-name>
[08:40] <deFrysk> din, too complex for me hehe
[08:40] <ells> okay
[08:40] <ells> got it
[08:41] <ells> nis: so it shoulg be /usr/src/2.6.10
[08:41] <eyequeue> n4cht:  weeks ago i saw someone having troubles with it in hoary ... i suspect it's fixed now, i don't see that at all any more
[08:41] <eyequeue> ells:  more like /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10
[08:41] <n4cht> awesome.
[08:41] <ells> okay
[08:42] <ells> eyequeue, in console when i got there, I see the headers but not the source
[08:42] <din> well i'm off to watch tv
[08:42] <din> the iso has another hour or so anyway
[08:42] <ells> eyequeue, is this what I am looking for
[08:42] <eyequeue> ells:  if youi installed that deb, you'll ave a .tar.gz file in that dir
[08:42] <lynxx> hrm if i close firestarter will it keep running?
[08:42] <eyequeue> lynxx:  you're closing the user interface to it, yeah
[08:42] <ells> eyequeue: dont see it
[08:43] <ells> eyequeue, how can I check for certain
[08:43] <lynxx> rgr that
[08:43] <eyequeue> ells:  you weren't the one i was helping find the source deb, but were you watching and did it?  or maybe that's why you don't have it? :)
[08:43] <MyNameIsChris> Howdy
[08:43] <eyequeue> ells: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.12_all.deb
[08:43] <ells> eyequeue, totally different man
[08:44] <nis> ells: I don't have it handy but it has the word 'kernel' in it and at least a piece of the revision number in the name of the kerne source's directory.
[08:44] <eyequeue> ells:  or fetch that any way you like
[08:44] <ells> eyequeue, okay
[08:44] <deFrysk> ells, ls /usr/src/
[08:44] <MyNameIsChris> What package is required for mp3 support in rhythmbox (warty)?
[08:44] <eyequeue> ells:  then when you dpkg -i that deb, you'll have that tarball there
[08:44] <deFrysk> give the output
[08:44] <ells> eyequeue, thanks
[08:45] <eyequeue> ells:  np
[08:45] <nis> din|tv: latz
[08:45] <samatman> probably just a codec
[08:45] <samatman> like lame
[08:46] <samatman> but i have no idea for sure
[08:46] <deFrysk> mylesbraithwaite, gstreamer-mad
[08:46] <eyequeue> i think i need to seriously consider messing with the livecd and hoary sound again
[08:46] <deFrysk> I think
[08:46] <eyequeue> i've been putting it off, being tired
[08:46] <samatman> anyone here use wine wiht ubuntu?
[08:47] <eyequeue> samatman:  not me, but i definitely see people do it all the time, including with "cedega"
[08:47] <samatman> work with games well?
[08:47] <eyequeue> yeah, they say cedega is great for that
[08:47] <eyequeue> i'm not a gamer myself
[08:47] <samatman> what's cedega?
[08:47] <eyequeue> the renaming of "winex"  after some license change or something
[08:47] <deFrysk> MyNameIsChris, gstreamer-mad
[08:48] <samatman> ahh
[08:48] <eyequeue> i don't know the difference between wine and winex, but they're very related
[08:49] <MyNameIsChris> deFrysk, cheers
[08:49] <eyequeue> i'm surprised some gamer hasn't piped up by now, heh
[08:49] <samatman> hehehe
[08:49] <samatman> arthur just left too
[08:49] <samatman> j/k
[08:49] <deFrysk> MyNameIsChris, also read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:49] <lobo_nz> I think the winex/cedega has support for directx -> opengl translation whereas wine does not
[08:49] <eyequeue> ah
[08:50] <MyNameIsChris> deFrysk, Yeah, I understand mp3 is not free
[08:50] <MyNameIsChris> But it is the only format my portable player supports
[08:50] <eyequeue> samatman:  daytime your timezone definnitely has some gamers in here
[08:50] <samatman> cool
[08:50] <samatman> if i have internet acces then i'll come by
[08:50] <samatman> righ tnow i have a long cable dropping through the hallway
[08:50] <samatman> drooping
[08:51] <samatman> any good virtual cd drive apps for mounting images?
[08:51] <lynxx> you guys have any program reccomendations?
[08:51] <eyequeue> lynxx:  i like cat ;)
[08:51] <samatman> cat?
[08:51] <eyequeue> cat (1)              - concatenate files and print on the standard output
[08:51] <lynxx> ic
[08:51] <eyequeue> ls (1)               - list directory contents
[08:51] <eyequeue> that's another nice one, heh
[08:52] <eyequeue> lynxx:  don't take me too seriously there ... but what did you want it to do?
[08:52] <eyequeue> seriously, firefox, if you haven't tried it
[08:52] <lobo_nz> samatan: mount is good for that
[08:53] <samatman> mount will mount images?
[08:53] <samatman> wowee
[08:53] <samatman> MS can suck it
[08:53] <lobo_nz> iso, there is a howto on ubuntu wiki
[08:53] <samatman> ahh
[08:53] <samatman> what about other formats?
[08:53] <eyequeue> samatman:  man mount, and scroll through the parts that don't apply, but you'll see how terribly powerful that command can be
[08:53] <eyequeue> samatman:  most anything you can imagine, just type "man mount"
[08:54] <lobo_nz> not sure but I use bin2iso to convert bin images so I can mount them
[08:54] <samatman> coo
[08:54] <samatman> .bin that was the other one
[08:54] <wdh> lobo_nz, man bin2iso ?
[08:54] <wdh> lobo_nz, nevermind..
[08:55] <wdh> misread.. just came out of bed
[08:55] <wdh> :D
[08:55] <lobo_nz> I downloaded it and compiled it from somewhere, I have it if you want it, its a small program
[08:55] <Fackamato> what's the limitation with linux and image formats?
[08:55] <Fackamato> it can only mount .iso afaik
[08:55] <Fackamato> is it the mount command, the loopback device, or what
[08:55] <eyequeue> Fackamato:  like bzimage?
[08:55] <eyequeue> Fackamato:  like bzimage?
[08:56] <eyequeue> Fackamato:  scratch that, i was thinking kernel image, you were not
[08:56] <IRCNinjaMonkey> Hello I was wondering if someone can help me out?
[08:56] <samatman> ok
[08:57] <samatman> i downloaded the kernel source .deb package, ran that command and found a tarball in my /usr/src directory
[08:57] <samatman> put that through file roller...and got squat
[08:57] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: go ahead.
[08:57] <IRCNinjaMonkey> I have a 40 gig hdd currentl formated in fat 32 (was ntfs) and for some odd reason when I go to put Ubuntu on it it only sees it as a 2.1 gb drive
[08:58] <IRCNinjaMonkey> with it formatted either way
[08:58] <nis> samatman: bzcat file.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf -   (or substitute 'zcat' there for .tar.gz)
[08:58] <n4cht> ok.  i'm back from taking my unpupu.  the hoary iso is done burning.  now to check it, and then install!
[08:58] <n4cht> it burned properly.  wee.
[08:58] <n4cht> be back in about 30 mins or so.
[08:59] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: that's odd.
[08:59] <IRCNinjaMonkey> and I don't have a way to format it to any of the linux filesystems at this moment... that I now of
[08:59] <IRCNinjaMonkey> and the drive works in windows
[08:59] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: boot the install media and dd the first meg with zeros to wipe it clean.
[08:59] <eyequeue> IRCNinjaMonkey:  actually, you do have a way, probably
[09:00] <eyequeue> IRCNinjaMonkey:  the install disk does formatting, if you ask it to
[09:00] <IRCNinjaMonkey> confused about nis' response
[09:00] <IRCNinjaMonkey> yes but it will only register it as a 2.1 gb drive
[09:00] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: I told you how to restore the disk to factory nothingness.  Would destroy entire drive contents but would allow Linux a fair crack at it.
[09:01] <vince`> rhythmbox doesn't start when as long as a blank cd is in the drive.. very strange
[09:01] <eyequeue> IRCNinjaMonkey:  question number one: is there anything on the disk that you need to save?
[09:01] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: dd will (should) be available from a linux boot diskette or LiveCD image.
[09:01] <IRCNinjaMonkey> it's my backup disk currently for winblows
[09:01] <IRCNinjaMonkey> what is dd?
[09:01] <samatman> so nothing worth saving  :P
[09:01] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: it is like rawrite.exe
[09:01] <Quinn_Storm> if its only showing as 2.1 gb, it sounds like he has an old bios.
[09:01] <eyequeue> IRCNinjaMonkey:  let me rephrase, is this a disk you plan to blow away to put linux on?  or only a piece of it?  or??
[09:02] <IRCNinjaMonkey> not really I still have all of my mp3s on my windows partition
[09:02] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: writes directly to disk sectors.
[09:02] <nis> Quinn_Storm: yeah.
[09:02] <IRCNinjaMonkey> blow away
[09:02] <eyequeue> dd (1)               - convert and copy a file
[09:02] <Fackamato> 8 instances of burnP6 on my 2.6@3.2ghz p4 smp-kernel machine
[09:03] <IRCNinjaMonkey> and for some odd reason my live disk for ubuntu does not work and my bios is fairly new my comp is an Nforce 2 board
[09:03] <nis> 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=(big megabytes here) count=1' as root in Linux will generally allow the disk to be used if it is entirely unsalvageable otherwise.
[09:03] <croplogic>  does anyone know wich release of Debian, Ubuntu is based on? I'm assuming woody?
[09:04] <nis> (big megabytes here) is probably overkill. ;)
[09:04] <nis> croplogic: much more recent
[09:04] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: what model/make drive? technology ATA/IDE?
[09:05] <IRCNinjaMonkey> ide and I believe that it is a segate but not sure haven't touched the thing since my old pc
[09:05] <samatman> does hoary have a graphical disk manager?
[09:05] <samatman> oh..never mind, it automatically mounted
[09:05] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: about what year was the drive made?
[09:06] <lynxx> any suggestions on brand of round ide cables?
[09:06] <IRCNinjaMonkey> hmm I would say that it's about 5 years old I think
[09:06] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: should be seen accurately then.
[09:06] <IRCNinjaMonkey> ubuntu sees my nice new 120 gb western digital though
[09:06] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: did linux kernel boot at all?
[09:07] <Fackamato> IRCNinjaMonkey: are you talking about the harddrive or the partitions?
[09:07] <IRCNinjaMonkey> yeah I can install on the 2.1 gb and get it running, granted it goes a little slow and retardedly slow on the internet
[09:08] <samatman> how do i toss a directory with stuff in it?
[09:08] <IRCNinjaMonkey> I know that I was able to put an older version of SuSE on it
[09:08] <samatman> ohh, never mind
[09:08] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: might be profitable to record what fdisk says, to disk.
[09:08] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: sounds like a kernel snafu.
[09:09] <Forey> Download the latest version of messenger plus released March 16th , 2005
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[09:09] <IRCNinjaMonkey> hmm do you think I could format it using the older SuSE version to a file system that is native to linux and then try ubuntu?
[09:09] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: absolutely.
[09:09] <IRCNinjaMonkey> granted if SuSE sees it as a 40 gig hdd
[09:09] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: put debian woody on it.
[09:10] <IRCNinjaMonkey> woody the net install?
[09:10] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: then u'll be in sweet position for ubuntu upgrade from woody.
[09:10] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: whatever works and sees all 40 gigs.
[09:10] <IRCNinjaMonkey> unfortunately I am on a campus network and cannot do a net install
[09:11] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: if it was like Win 95 I'd suggest loadlin.exe
[09:11] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: debian.crosslink.net has a good archive of older debian install media.
[09:12] <IRCNinjaMonkey> alright I'm gonna try some of the suggestions thanks for the info nis
[09:12] <nis> IRCNinjaMonkey: welcome.
[09:12] <samatman> how do i get a cvs snapshot?
[09:13] <samatman> oh, i htink i got it
[09:14] <liraz> I'm using gnoppix of a live cd... may I still ask some questions in here(I'm having some trouble) as it's based of ubuntu. ?
[09:14] <fangorious> i seem to have lost tap-to-click and virtual-scroll on my synaptics touchpad. doesn't appear to have been a change in my xorg.conf or an update of the driver ...
[09:16] <nis> samatman:  'rm -rf dirname' to delete that directory.  'rm -rf' is powerful so use lowest privs needed and type carefully.
[09:17] <liraz> When I run an application it shows it loading in gnome and then just dissappears
[09:17] <nis> fangorious: try losing gdm and using startx from the console
[09:18] <copilot> anyone feel like walking me through setting up an ftp server? someone who has one working preferably.
[09:18] <copilot> I'm using warty
[09:18] <nis> copilot: proftpd is probably good to go out of the box.
[09:18] <copilot> if I have questions would you be willing to field a few?
[09:19] <nis> it won't be hardened but it'll do on a LAN. build ur firewall first tho.
[09:19] <nis> copilot: I haven't looked at mine but sure I can tell u stuph.
[09:19] <samatman> ok, how do i...something i for got
[09:19] <nis> (haven't looked at it in a while I mean)
[09:19] <samatman> oh yes, how do i repoint a link?  (the /lib/modules/[kernel version] /build
[09:20] <copilot> I have to access it from school, the teacher threw setting up an ftp and an http server onto the mid term.. we haven't discussed either of them
[09:20] <copilot> It just needs to work for about an hour tomorrow.
[09:20] <nis> samatan mv link link-old ; ln -s /my/new/path . (if 'path' is good here) or  'ln -s /my/new/path newname' if not.
[09:20] <copilot> thanks btw, i'll throw some questions at you if/when they hit me
[09:21] <nis> rgr. no problem copilot.
[09:21] <samatman> just move the file and make a new link?
[09:21] <nis> samatman: yes.
[09:22] <nis> samatman: eventually you'll 'rm linkname' if u like
[09:22] <nis> (links take 'rm' rather than 'rmdir')
[09:22] <nis> soft links I mean.
[09:22] <nis>  ;)
[09:22] <nis> 'ln -s' links softly; 'ln' links hardly.
[09:23] <nis> somebody shoot me for that one.
[09:23] <liraz> anyone here use live cd who could perhaps help?
[09:23] <croplogic> Kubuntu live?
[09:24] <samatman> here's to hoping
[09:24] <liraz> I'm using gnoppix but was told it's based of ubuntu
[09:24] <liraz> just that none of my pograms will run -- very weird.
[09:24] <samatman> i thought gnoppix was way older than ubuntu
[09:24] <liraz> I dont know - I'm new to linux
[09:25] <croplogic> i think its based on its own thing
[09:25] <liraz> oh :/
[09:25] <croplogic> but the Kubuntu live cd is based on KNOPPIX
[09:26] <samatman> what does 'you must be run' mean?
[09:26] <nis> samatman: you must be root?
[09:27] <samatman> the readme for a driver says: (with kernel 2.6 you must be run for both steps
[09:27] <samatman> talking about the make and make install steps
[09:27] <nis> samatman: typographical error.
[09:27] <masabbat> hi everybody. Do you know how I can play a wav file using the shell? I tried play (sox) but it just hangs.
[09:27] <nis> samatman: meant to say 'you must be root'
[09:28] <nis> masabbat: esdcat file.wav
[09:28] <nis> (if esd is installed)
[09:28] <samatman> ok, well that doesn't help, i was root and it failed
[09:28] <samatman> there's no configure step either
[09:28] <nis> masabbat: dim the volume or use headphones first tho
[09:28] <nis> samatman: are u really root?
[09:29] <samatman> a root terminal
[09:29] <nis> samatman: login to the console as root or 'su - root' as the user
[09:29] <mdz> croplogic: the Kubuntu live CD is not based on Knoppix, it is based on the Ubuntu live CD
[09:29] <nis> the dash is important.
[09:29] <mdz> samatman: gnoppix is older than Ubuntu.  it was previously based on Morphix, and is now based on Ubuntu
[09:29] <samatman> root@ubuntu:/home/samatman/at76c503a # make run
[09:29] <samatman> make: *** No rule to make target `run'.  Stop.
[09:30] <nis> samatman: got it.
[09:30] <nis> samatman: try 'make run'
[09:30] <samatman> tried it
[09:30] <nis> oops.
[09:30] <nis> what ur doing?
[09:30] <samatman> same error
[09:30] <nis> concept.
[09:30] <samatman> trying to compile a driver for atmel wireless devices
[09:30] <nis> 'make'
[09:30] <nis> 'make all'
[09:31] <nis> (as root if req'd)
[09:31] <samatman> the at76c503a driver
[09:31] <mdz> samatman: does the driver provided with Ubuntu not work for you?
[09:31] <samatman> it's a root termial i'm doing everything in
[09:31] <samatman> is there one in ubuntu?
[09:31] <nis> samatman: su - root
[09:31] <samatman> i'm root already
[09:31] <nis> (always works here)
[09:31] <nis> the - is important
[09:32] <nis> gives a login shell
[09:32] <samatman> for a netgear ma101b?
[09:32] <nis> establishes $HOME etc
[09:32] <samatman> cool
[09:32] <samatman> trying it again after that now
[09:33] <nis> good.
[09:33] <samatman> giving like 4 pages of errors again
[09:33] <nis> errors?
[09:33] <samatman> make[2] : *** [/home/samatman/at76c503a/at76c503-i3861.o]  Error 1
[09:33] <samatman> make[1] : *** [_module_/home/samatman/at76c503a]  Error 2
[09:33] <samatman> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1'
[09:33] <samatman> make: *** [modules]  Error 2
[09:33] <samatman> last lines
[09:33] <nis> right.
[09:33] <nis> your build environment is incomplete.
[09:33] <samatman> says error size of (some variable) unknown
[09:33] <jnoon> anyone know wtf these squares with 4 dots in them are? they keep showing up in my email subject lines? must be the font?  when i open the email it looks like its a tab in another font... anyone have any ideas?
[09:33] <samatman> so what do i need to do?
[09:33] <nis> there's a target in dselect to create the build environment.
[09:34] <nis> dselect
[09:34] <samatman> ok, this is new territory
[09:34] <samatman> what do i do?
[09:34] <nis> ok well this is also harsh territory. don't do anything yet.
[09:34] <samatman> ok
[09:35] <nis> first we need to know where u are at with ubuntu.
[09:35] <jnoon>    < whats that?
[09:35] <samatman> how do you mean?
[09:35] <nis> jnoon: a font yes.  I dont' know yet why.
[09:35] <nis> samatman: what stage are u at in installing ubuntu?
[09:36] <samatman> it's installed, i'm using xchat in the very same ubuntu install
[09:36] <nis> dselect is way powerful and I'd rather not direct you to cripple it just yet.
[09:36] <samatman> runnign an ethernet cable across the hall so i can get my wirless working
[09:36] <samatman> and it's warty btw
[09:36] <nis> samatman: here's the thing; dselect probably has lots of stuph selected to install.
[09:37] <agris> heloo does wnyone has canon i250 working on hoary?
[09:37] <nis> samatman: do u have much left to install in ubuntu?
[09:37] <samatman> agris, check the camera to see if there is a setting so it functions like a usb thumbdrive
[09:37] <samatman> as far as i know it's totaly intsalled
[09:37] <agris> sorry, its a printer
[09:38] <samatman> well then call me stupid
[09:38] <nis> samatman: good. then iterate '=' keypress with 'Q' keypress in dselect.
[09:38] <samatman> and don't do that
[09:38] <nis> ;)
[09:38] <samatman> iterate?
[09:38] <jnoon> how can i get rid of bullshit characters in my text files that look like this:
[09:38] <n4cht> ok... i'm back.
[09:38] <n4cht> running hoary.
[09:38] <n4cht> :D
[09:38] <nis> samatman: iterate just means to do it repeatedly (in this case, alternating).
[09:38] <samatman> = q = q = q = q ?
[09:38] <n4cht> only problem is... it never asked me to set a root pw.  is there a default root pw?
[09:39] <nis> samatman: the '=' keybinding, in dselect, puts a package on  'hold' (dont' install now, don't delete now).
[09:39] <jnoon> same pass as main acct
[09:39] <jnoon> sudo -s
[09:39] <n4cht> nevermind.  it's the same as my new user pass.
[09:39] <n4cht> haha
[09:39] <samatman> n4cht, it doesn't set up a root account right away
[09:39] <samatman> yeah
[09:39] <nis> samatman: the Q keybinding forces the current dependencies to take effect.
[09:39] <nis> (it is an override)
[09:39] <nis> You'll see the need for that momentarily. ;)
[09:39] <n4cht> wow.  ubuntu is FAST.
[09:40] <samatman> ok, = made a beep, and q moved the highlight to the quit option
[09:40] <nis> n4cht: yay
[09:40] <nis> samatman: Q not q
[09:40] <samatman> oh
[09:40] <jnoon> is it smart to only keep extra repos active when you need something from them, and keep the default repos active at all other times? or is it safe to keep all repos active at all times?
[09:40] <lynxx> O.o
[09:40] <samatman> same result
[09:40] <lynxx> almost 1am already
[09:40] <nis> jnoon: keep all
[09:40] <samatman> - beeps, and Q doesn't do anything except keep the cursor on the Quit option
[09:41] <jnoon> nis so basically the more the merrier?
[09:41] <dougsk> lynxx: I was trying to avoid that knowledge  (must get up early)
[09:41] <nis> samatman: sorry. you have to be in SELECT for any of this to make sense.
[09:41] <nis> jnoon: look at /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:41] <lynxx> so do i dougsk
[09:41] <samatman> ok, chose select, do i press enter to leave help?
[09:42] <nis> samatman: I think (S)elect is a hotkey.
[09:42] <n4cht> awcrap.  now i have to remember how to manually write a fstab entry for my mepis partition.
[09:43] <samatman> let me hold up for a minute
[09:43] <samatman> does ubuntu come with a dirver for prism2 wireless usb devices?
[09:43] <n4cht> now, if my mepis partition is reiserfs, it _has_ to be mounted as such, right?  i couldn't mount it as ext3, or anything safely, could i?
[09:44] <dougsk> samatman:  I believe so
[09:44] <dougsk> at least I have the kernel modules listed samatman.  I haven't tried to see if they work
[09:45] <agris> does anyone has working canon i250 printer in hoary?
[09:46] <syn-ack> samatman: It can only be mounted as the type of filesystem installed on that partition
[09:46] <samatman> oh well anyways nis
[09:46] <samatman> = changes the screen, and Q quits to themain menu again
[09:46] <n4cht> syn-ack, that was me that asked.  but yeah.   i figured it out.  :)
[09:47] <n4cht> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm)  1249.510 MHz | Bogomips: 2465.79 | Mem: 133/251M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 41.58G Free: 29.55G | Procs: 69 | Uptime: 26 mins 6 secs | Load: 0.06 0.42 0.64  | Vpenis: 25.2 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]  (rev a3) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 7.81M Out: 0.26M
[09:47] <n4cht> yayyyy
[09:48] <samatman> do i need a different source for an amd64?
[09:48] <gardio1> anyone know the default password and username for cups?
[09:48] <n4cht> installing the nvidia drivers is fun.  not.
[09:49] <gardio1> ie when accessing it through the web http://localhost:631/admin
[09:51] <dougsk> n4cht: it's that nvidia-glx-config enable bit wasn't it?
[09:51] <nis> bah.
[09:51] <nis> what'd I miss?
[09:51] <samatman> nothing
[09:52] <nis> the dialup line will drop again in 2 mins. be back about 15 mins.
[09:52] <samatman> dselect doesn't seem to be doing anything, as soon as i hit Q it goes to a quit screen
[09:52] <pinPoint> why the heck does removing totem take out ubuntu desktop with it????
[09:52] <nis> I have clients to wake up and the daemon is doing its job. ;)
[09:52] <samatman> or back to the main menue
[09:52] <samatman> menu
[09:52] <nis> (it's 0352 hours here local time)
[09:52] <Seveas> pinPoint, because ubuntu-desktop depends on totem
[09:52] <Seveas> but it is safe to remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <samatman> so lsmod lists the modules installed?
[09:53] <Seveas> pinPoint, in hoary this behaviour has changed, there ubuntu desktop depends on totem-gstreamer OR totem-xine
[09:53] <Seveas> samatan, no
[09:53] <Seveas> just the modules LOADED
[09:53] <dougsk> arse yeah I was about to say yes thanks Seveas
[09:54] <PD_> Hi there
[09:54] <Seveas> hi
[09:54] <samatman> oh, ok
[09:54] <PD_> I installed ubuntu on my laptop yestearday
[09:54] <PD_> Every things working fine
[09:54] <samatman> ok...how do i find out if there is a module for a prism2 chipset wireless device?
[09:54] <Seveas> the modules installed can be seen with ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ (warning: gives a lot of output)
[09:54] <PD_> but i get some error messages when booting during the hotplug subsystem
[09:54] <Seveas> samatman, there is
[09:55] <dougsk> samatman: modprobe prism2_usb
[09:55] <Seveas> PD_, about hw_random, shpchp and pciehp?
[09:55] <samatman> and...if i have an amd 64, do i need a special sort of kernel sources?
[09:55] <PD_> it says error inserting module pciehp, shpchp
[09:55] <nis> samatman: dselect may have packages selected.  a final ENTER keypress probably will bring up a list of things to INSTALL.  Select INSTALL from the main menu.  If it says nothing to install (three 0's for install, remove, upgrade) you're golden.  BB at 0905 UTC.
[09:55] <PD_> yes exactly Seveas
[09:55] <samatman> what does the probe do?
[09:55] <Seveas> PD_, add pciehp and shpchp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, the errors are harmless and adding them to the blacklist removes them :)
[09:55] <samatman> danke
[09:55] <dougsk> loads the kernel module
[09:56] <Fackamato> nn
[09:56] <nis> samatman: pt was to de-select every last package in dselect before we start finding you a build-all type of virtual package in dselect so you have a proper c Compiler etc bison flex all that.
[09:56] <Seveas> samatman, if the module must always be loaded, add it to /etc/modules
[09:56] <PD_> ok thanks Seveas
[09:56] <n4cht> :O  there's no gkrellm!  bah on that!  now i gotta compile it from source.
[09:56] <samatman> now...how do i hook up my device iwth the module?
[09:56] <Seveas> nis, apt-get install build-essential :)
[09:56] <nis> Seveas: YES.
[09:56] <nis> do that.
[09:56] <nis> bye.
[09:56] <PD_> one more thing, when I run top it says XFree86 takes 3.5%MEM and 2.0PU
[09:57] <PD_> is this normal
[09:57] <samatman> ahh, so i was going to unselece everything?
[09:57] <Seveas> PD_, yes
[09:57] <samatman> doesn't the = key select something?  or add it?
[09:57] <dougsk> at which point, I don't know wireless very well but I'll pretend it's an etherent card, you should be able to do the ifconfig ethX 192.168.x.x netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add default gw 192.168.x.1 or something like that
[09:57] <Seveas> samatman, don't use dselect if you don't know it, rather try synaptic (graphical interface) or aptitude (terminal based)
[09:57] <PD_> thatks Seveas, this was the best help I got from internet for a long time
[09:57] <Seveas> :o)
[09:58] <n4cht> wow.  the ubuntu apt sources don't have any of my favorite stuff!  no gkrellm, no fluxbox, nada.
[09:58] <samatman> so dselect does the same thing as synaptic? ahh, ok
[09:58] <Seveas> n4cht, have you enabled the universe??
[09:58] <dougsk> rather I think it's a different thing rather than eth though it's wlan or something <shrug> I dunno
[09:58] <n4cht> i have to do what now?
[09:58] <Seveas> enable universe
[09:58] <Seveas> :)
[09:58] <Seveas> do you run warty or hoary?
[09:59] <n4cht> i'm running hoary.
[09:59] <PD_> I wouls also like to mention UBUNTU on my HP nx7010 detected everything just out of the box, bluetooth, the scrol on touchpad all
[09:59] <xamdm> need help, skype with hoary ...
[09:59] <PD_> *would
[09:59] <n4cht> it's apparent at this point that i might have missed some critical part of installing beyond getting the base system up and running.
[09:59] <Seveas> n4cht, add the following lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:00] <samatman> how do i get a list of all the modules available to be loaded?
[10:00] <Seveas> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:00] <Seveas> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:00] <Seveas> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:00] <Seveas> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:00] <pinPoint> Seveas: depends, shouldnt it be the other way around
[10:00] <Seveas> pinPoint, what do you mean?
[10:01] <BEAST> I use ubuntu and I love it,,, How about you ?!!!
[10:01] <Seveas> BEAST, likewise :)
[10:01] <pinPoint> totem being part of Ubuntu
[10:01] <jsgotangco> no i hate it
[10:01] <n4cht> i don't have to add them.  they're already there with hoary.  i just need to uncomment.
[10:01] <n4cht> hawt.
[10:01] <jsgotangco> :)
[10:01] <dougsk> Beast, ditto
[10:01] <samatman> uncomment them where?
[10:01] <pinPoint> i thought ubuntu was the main package that carries all of them
[10:01] <lynxx> aight time for me to go guys
[10:01] <lynxx> pc out
[10:01] <n4cht> in sources.list
[10:01] <Seveas> pinPoint, you obviously do not understand the packaging system completely :)
[10:02] <Seveas> ubuntu-desktop is merely a meta-package that just depends: on all desktop stuff
[10:02] <Seveas> the package itself is pretty useless
[10:02] <Seveas> ok, then just uncomment them n4cht
[10:02] <Seveas> then run sudo apt-get update
[10:02] <pinPoint> but I use another player, why should I have to take ubuntu down with it
[10:02] <lynxx> apt-get > ALL :D
[10:02] <Seveas> et voila, you have gkrellm and lots more
[10:02] <n4cht> woo!  there we go.  thanks for dropping me a clue on that one Seveas.  after a quick apt-get update, i was able to get gkrellm.
[10:03] <Seveas> pinPoint, then just don't remove totem
[10:03] <pinPoint> what
[10:03] <pinPoint> i hate it and want it out
[10:03] <pinPoint> i cant take it out?
[10:03] <pinPoint> without affecting ubuntu
[10:03] <BEAST> Totem is not the best but that does not mean you have to remove it, because it's still ok,
[10:03] <Seveas> pinPoint, removing ubuntu-desktop does not affect the rest of the system
[10:04] <BEAST> am I right ?
[10:04] <BEAST> am I not right ?
[10:04] <pinPoint> Seveas: but I want sound for my login and since i have run level 5 i want ubuntu
[10:04] <Seveas> BEAST, if it doesn't give you space troubles, it;s indeed better to keep it
[10:04] <Seveas> pinPoint, removing ubuntu-desktop does not remove anything
[10:04] <Seveas> just the DUMMY PACKAGE ubuntu-desktop
[10:04] <pinPoint> but i use xine and dislike totem with passion
[10:05] <Seveas> pinPoint, apt-get install totem-xine :)
[10:05] <Seveas> totem with xine backend
[10:05] <pinPoint> no, just xine
[10:05] <pinPoint> i dont understand, i want totem out and ubuntu desktop still there
[10:05] <n4cht> ahh.  there we go.  now i have xmms, gkrellm, and i managed to add the proper fstab entry to mount my mepis partition where all my music is!
[10:05] <Seveas> pinPoint, that is impossible
[10:05] <pinPoint> is that hard to do really?
[10:05] <BEAST> Well,, There is a specialty in totem that it still have some codecs which aren't available in any other media players,
[10:05] <Seveas> yes
[10:05] <n4cht> now i've got a functioning desktop just the way i like it.
[10:06] <Seveas> bit it does your system no harm to remove ubuntu-desktop
[10:06] <pinPoint> its like saying i cant remove Windows Media player
[10:06] <pinPoint> without affecting windows
[10:06] <Seveas> pinPoint, you CAN remove it
[10:06] <n4cht> i also like this not actually being able to login as root thing.   it keeps me from forgetting the dangers thereof.
[10:06] <Seveas> and it DOES NOT affect ubuntu
[10:06] <Seveas> please start listening...
[10:06] <Seveas> lol n4cht  :)
[10:06] <BEAST> I have an other lappy and a redhat 9 installed on it,,, Having a major problem in grub I guess,, Looking for help, can anyone help please ?
[10:07] <pinPoint> so whats the different between ubuntu and ubuntu desktop
[10:07] <pinPoint> desktop;s a theme?
[10:07] <vitalis> Hey everyone! I've just installed Hoary, and everything works great apart from Gnome 'feels' slow.Like windows redraw slow etc. But I don't see any processes that are out of control
[10:07] <Seveas> ubuntu-desktop is a DUMMY PACKAGE
[10:07] <Seveas> pinPoint, this is one of the marvels of .deb packaging
[10:07] <BEAST> To not make trouble let's private message,
[10:07] <vitalis> Anybody else seeing this problem?
[10:07] <Seveas> ubuntu-desktop is a useless package, but the stuff it depends on makes up a fine desktop
[10:08] <pinPoint> a marvel?
[10:08] <pinPoint> hmm
[10:08] <BEAST> I'm not chatting in redhat channel 'cause their ighnoring me,,,
[10:08] <gardio1> Anybody know about remotely accessing cups?
[10:08] <Seveas> pinPoint, just do it: apt-get remove totem
[10:08] <Seveas> and you'll see
[10:08] <pinPoint> Seveas: will i have my nice sound system and login screen
[10:08] <Seveas> yes
[10:08] <pinPoint> with the ubuntu logo
[10:08] <Seveas> NOTHING will be removed
[10:08] <BEAST> can anyone help me with my grub please ?
[10:08] <Seveas> just totem
[10:08] <Seveas> and a dummy package
[10:09] <BEAST> hello !!
[10:09] <Seveas> BEAST, what exactly is the problem (except for having installed RH9)
[10:09] <nis> ah.
[10:09] <Seveas> wb :)
[10:09] <BEAST> I'm not asking how to install redhat,
[10:09] <nis> Seveas: tnx.
[10:09] <BEAST> I'm having a problem with booting,
[10:10] <nis> frickin wake-up callz
[10:10] <n4cht> wow.  wowowowow.  gdesklets... actually working.  holy crap.  i think i'm in love with ubuntu.
[10:10] <Seveas> BEAST, i know, but what is the problem with grub? if you dont tell the problem, we can't help :)
[10:10] <KarlosII> where do i get the libdvdcss decryption so I can play dvds?
[10:10] <BEAST> I'm supposed to see the grub booting list to either boot to windows or linux,,
[10:10] <Seveas> rofl n4cht
[10:10] <nis> Seveas: good catch on that virt package name.
[10:10] <Seveas> KarlosII, marillat
[10:10] <n4cht> ubuntu is working exactly the way i frickin' expect it to.  that has me totally baffled.
[10:10] <n4cht> and it's FAST.
[10:10] <KarlosII> .. what the deb src address or where do I find that info?
[10:10] <vitalis> Does anybody know why hoary windows readraw slowly?? should I go back to another distro, because this doesn't work properly.
[10:10] <nis> what will 'google marillat' produce? zero clue here.
[10:11] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[10:11] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:11] <Dougcan_> lol n4cht, same here
[10:11] <BEAST> When I reboot a blank screen shows a word "GRUB" and that's it,
[10:11] <Seveas> hmm
[10:11] <BEAST> It freezes at that point,
[10:11] <samatman> beast, you use warty right?
[10:11] <n4cht> i also totally dig that ya'll are patient with me during this phase of absolute amazement... but that's probably because you all went through it too.  :P
[10:11] <samatman> oh, freezes?  never mind i'm out
[10:11] <BEAST> what> ?
[10:11] <Seveas> can you enter commands with the keyboard?
[10:12] <BEAST> what's warty
[10:12] <Seveas> after seeing GRUB>
[10:12] <maddler> gooooooooooooodmorning ubuntu!
[10:12] <samatman> never mind me, just listen to seveas
[10:12] <Seveas> BEAST, warty is the Ubuntu 4.10 version
[10:12] <maddler> :D
[10:12] <Seveas> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning maddler
[10:12] <vitalis> i'll take this as "go back to fedora" then ;)
[10:12] <samatman> and btw, the numbers on the versions are releas dates
[10:12] <Seveas> vitalis, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:12] <samatman> vitalis it redraws fast on mine
[10:13] <BEAST> By the way,,, I said already that redhat channel are ighnoring me that's why I'm asking in the ubuntu channel,
[10:13] <samatman> but i have an amd64 2800
[10:13] <Dougcan_> I like Ubuntu, it does what I want
[10:13] <Seveas> BEAST, can you answer my question please
[10:13] <Seveas> can you enter commands with the keyboard?
[10:13] <Seveas> after seeing GRUB>
[10:13] <samatman> ok, i was spacing out earlier (damn whiskey)
[10:13] <BEAST> this problem is in the other machine which redhat 9 is installed in it,
[10:13] <samatman> um, how do i get a list of all available modules?   not just ones loaded but ones installed and not loaded?
[10:13] <BEAST> nope,
[10:13] <BEAST> I can't
[10:13] <vitalis> i know fedora is crap, but the redrawing was crisp etc. this laptop feels awful with ubuntu
[10:13] <Seveas> weird
[10:13] <Dougcan_> however I do have a small problem that's driving me nuts.
[10:14] <Dougcan_> I installed some development software using synaptic
[10:14] <pinPoint> thanks Seveas
[10:14] <pinPoint> bbll
[10:14] <Seveas> BEAST, so you can't do anything after seeinng the word "grub"?
[10:14] <vitalis> if I alt+tab to a firefox window for example, i can see the window draw down the screen.
[10:14] <Seveas> and it is a redhat-only system?
[10:14] <Dougcan_> so in the Gnome application menu I should see a "programming" sub menu right?
[10:14] <samatman> i think that's an effect done on purpose vitalis
[10:15] <Seveas> samatman, i don't think so
[10:15] <samatman> it does it on my fast machine too
[10:15] <Dougcan_> in my case I cannot see the stuff I installed and there's no "programming" sub menu
[10:15] <Seveas> vitalis, what kind of graphics chip do you have?
[10:15] <vitalis> samatman, i doubt it. never seen it with warty,fedora, etc
[10:15] <samatman> but it goes really fast
[10:15] <vitalis> Ati x600
[10:15] <vitalis> using the binary drivers
[10:15] <Dougcan_> what do I have to do to get it to show up?
[10:15] <Seveas> ah ok
[10:15] <Seveas> self compiled drivers?
[10:15] <BEAST> seveas are you reading me in the private message ?
[10:15] <samatman> i get that black outline that shrinks wiht warty and hoary64
[10:15] <samatman> anyways
[10:15] <Seveas> BEAST, i don't read PM's sorry
[10:16] <vitalis> Seveas, I installed them from synaptic
[10:16] <Seveas> ok
[10:16] <BEAST> ok
[10:16] <Seveas> have you updated your xorg config too vitalis ?
[10:16] <BEAST> So what to do,
[10:16] <vitalis> Seveas, yeah using fglrx
[10:16] <Seveas> BEAST, sorry, i don't knoe, I never used red hat
[10:16] <vitalis> i get good 3d in xscreeensaver. it's just general desktop usage
[10:16] <Seveas> you mean: using fglrxconfig?
[10:17] <BEAST> It's ok but does anyone else k'now how to solve this problem,
[10:17] <vitalis> Seveas, i generated my config with that. the driver is fglrx
[10:17] <Seveas> vitalis, fglrxconfig has screwed up my system (ati too) several times
[10:17] <Seveas> i just take the standard xorg.conf and just change ati to fglrx
[10:17] <vitalis> Seveas, how do you generate your xorg.conf?
[10:17] <nis_> yeah, sure I'm back. /bah
[10:17] <Seveas> bij installing xserver-xorg :)
[10:18] <nis_> cron jobs. gotta love 'em.
[10:18] <Seveas> probably dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg can do the trick too
[10:18] <vitalis> Seveas, right, i'll have a go then. cheers mate
[10:18] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that is
[10:18] <nis_> heh
[10:19] <vitalis> i'll come back and let y'all know how i get on
[10:19] <atescha> server irc.cc.tut.fi
[10:19] <Dougcan_> Does anyone here know how to get the gnome application menu to show the stuff that was installed via synaptic?
[10:19] <atescha> ups
[10:19] <atescha> :)
[10:20] <samatman> so if 'modprobe prism2_usb' doens't return anything, does that mean it worked and there was a module by that name/
[10:20] <Seveas> samatman, if you type echo $? it must say 0
[10:20] <Seveas> that means success
[10:20] <Seveas> but you must type it DIRECTLY AFTER modprobe
[10:20] <samatman> with the question mark?
[10:20] <umarmung> Dougcan_: login/logout or pkill gnome-panel, it should show up then
[10:21] <Seveas> yes samatman
[10:21] <nis> samatman: maybe .. try 'tail -f /var/log/<file> where <file> is an appropriate log.
[10:21] <n4cht> hm.  adding starters to starterbar doesn't seem to be working.
[10:21] <n4cht> that's mildly irritating, but probably minor.
[10:21] <samatman> yeah, it returned 0
[10:21] <Seveas> Dougcan_, it only shows thing with a menu entry in the package
[10:21] <Dougcan_> umarmung, I did that, no go.  When I installed Xine, that worked and it showed up fine, but the development tools I installed still won't show up
[10:22] <nis> Seveas: ooh!  echo $? huh?
[10:22] <Seveas> if you want to add more entries yourself, Amaranth has a nice editor for that
[10:22] <Seveas> nis, echo $? prints the exit status of the previous command, 0 means success (usually)
[10:22] <samatman> but i still show nothing with wireless extensions
[10:22] <nis> Ive always wanted to know how to test for the exit 1 condx ;)
[10:22] <Seveas> samatman, iwconfig gives no output?
[10:22] <umarmung> Dougcan_: which development tools did you install exactly?
[10:23] <samatman> it lists loopback and my two wired cards, but nothing else
[10:23] <Seveas> nis, read a simple shell tutorial
[10:23] <samatman> but says they ahve no wireless extensions
[10:23] <nachtwind> hi
[10:23] <nis> Seveas: I have been shell scripting for hum 10 yrs
[10:23] <Seveas> samatman, then something else must be wrong
[10:23] <nis> but been lazy for 45. ;)
[10:23] <Seveas> can you paste the output of lsusb somewhere??
[10:23] <Seveas> NOT in the channel of course
[10:23] <Dougcan_> hmm  I guess amaranth isn't on or is sleeping
[10:24] <Amaranth> what?
[10:24] <Seveas> there he is :)
[10:24] <Dougcan_> can you point me to the editor?
[10:24] <samatman> i'll put it in a pm
[10:24] <Amaranth> I have PMs blocked. :P
[10:24] <samatman> and it is the ma101 i'm trying ot make work
[10:24] <Amaranth> Dougcan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
[10:24] <samatman> it's actually only 3 lines i can put it here if need be
[10:24] <Seveas> ty Amaranth
[10:24] <Seveas> i'll add it to packages.kaarsemaker.net in a bit :)
[10:24] <Dougcan_> hi  Amaranth, Seveas was telling me you had an editor for addding application to the gnome menu
[10:25] <Amaranth> Dougcan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
[10:25] <Wildthing> where do i go to set whether a device is activated at startup?
[10:25] <Dougcan_> Amaranth, got it, going there now
[10:25] <Wildthing> ie ethernet card/wireless card
[10:25] <samatman> seveas do you need that output in the main channel ?
[10:25] <Seveas> Wildthing, in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:25] <Wildthing> excellent
[10:26] <Wildthing> thank you
[10:26] <Seveas> samatman, no, just hold on for a sec
[10:26] <_d4vid> haya oll :p
[10:26] <djp> one well pissed off ubuntu/linux user here! i have just spent the best part of the last hour and a half completing an important report, using openoffice. just as i was almost finished typing the report ... freeze! machine lock up! will now have to start all over again! is this a problem that is down to me turning to linux or is it due to the instability of ubuntu wart? is it a kernel issue? i am using the kernel specfic to k7 pro
[10:26] <djp> cessors. is it openoffice? i suspect it is more to do with oo, as it seems it is when running that app that freeze ups occur with this machine! can somebody advise what this problem may be?
[10:26] <nachtwind> small question: is it hard to move /home/... to a new partition and activate quota for it?
[10:26] <nis> Seveas: why does (exec sh ./myscript.sh > errlog 2>&1 &) && sleep 4 && exit > /dev/null 2>&1   work in gentoo but not ubuntu?
[10:26] <samatman> ok
[10:26] <copilot> ftp://67.175.158.19:21  anonymous     test please
[10:26] <nis> (at Linux Console)
[10:27] <nis> (myscript.sh is a copy of startx with no gdm/xdm running)
[10:27] <Wildthing> that's why you always save :(
[10:27] <Tomcat_> I don't trust any operating system so much that I wouldn't save after every line... but I guess that doesn't help You now. :I
[10:27] <nis> (script is supposed to start X11 and logout of that console)
[10:28] <n4cht> brb.  trying out fluxbox on ubuntu
[10:28] <samatman> yummy caffinated pepsi
[10:28] <Seveas> samatman, try this http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/howto/howto-5.html#ss5.1
[10:28] <samatman> brb
[10:28] <Seveas> nis, don't knoe
[10:28] <pepsi> samatman, hi
[10:28] <pepsi> ;)
[10:28] <samatman> yeah, i was hoping ot avoid the compiling route
[10:28] <Seveas> it looks weird though
[10:28] <vitalis> still no luck with X. it was fine for the first few seconds, but then the slow redraws came back
[10:28] <samatman> oh...wow, didn't notice there was a pepsi in chanel
[10:28] <pepsi> hehe
[10:29] <nis> vitalis: what does /var/log/X<foo> say?
[10:29] <djp> Wildthing: yeah, sure... do you know by chance if there is an auto save feature with openoffice? just that with ms word there was always the chance of recovering a document if the system fell over...
[10:29] <scizzo> djp: which openoffice?
[10:29] <samatman> i realy oughta start reading before i speak
[10:29] <Seveas> vitalis, no clues from dmesg too?
[10:29] <djp> scizzo: 1.1.2
[10:30] <scizzo> djp: did you run anything else then openoffice?
[10:30] <Wildthing> ummm not sure djp
[10:30] <samatman> FATAL: Module usbvnetr not found.
[10:30] <scizzo> djp: have looked to see how stable your machine actually is configured?
[10:30] <Wildthing> Seveas, do i just change the order of this interfaces file?
[10:30] <samatman> so it's got a prism2_usb but not that one there
[10:30] <vitalis> nis, seveas, i don't see any obvious errors. anything in particular i should look for?
[10:30] <djp> scizzo: i think that rhythmbox may have been running before oo, not sure though....
[10:30] <samatman> i'm guessing the particulars of my prism device don't work with the generic chipset driver then?
[10:31] <scizzo> djp: have you looked in dmesg and syslog for information about problems that might be causing the machine to crash?
[10:31] <nis> copilot: doesn't allow anonymous
[10:31] <djp> scizzo: this sounds very useful. how do i go about checking this?
[10:31] <nis> vitalis: they over-report in that log.  hard to say. you want accelerated vid tho.
[10:31] <scizzo> djp: have you kept track of the load avarege when using Linux and see if there might be a good chance that some applications or application might make the load go sky high?
[10:32] <vitalis> here's the warnings from Xorg.log: http://pastebin.ca/8132
[10:32] <nis> vitalis: if u want to email it to me I can browse it.
[10:32] <nis> okay.
[10:32] <scizzo> djp: /var/log
[10:32] <scizzo> djp: that is the place where most of the logs are
[10:32] <djp> scizzo: will check...
[10:33] <vitalis> nis, do you want to pm me your email?
[10:33] <scizzo> djp: using the command "top" you can see the load avarage and the applications running on th machine
[10:34] <djp> scizzo: dmsg looks fine, no nasty reports...
[10:35] <djp> scizzo: syslog just looks... well i have no clue what it looks like! ;)
[10:36] <scizzo> djp: syslog tells you what is going on in the system mostly...
[10:36] <scizzo> djp: open a terminal: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[10:37] <scizzo> djp: that will tail the syslog file and you can see what is going on while doing other stuff..
[10:38] <Tugg> yo yo yo
[10:40] <djp> scizzo: yeah, it is telling me things but i know not what! the top command was very nice though!
[10:41] <Amaranth> g'night all
[10:41] <Dougcan_> Night Amaranth
[10:41] <djp> scizzo: a quick question to you, before i get on with finishing this report. would the kernel i use have any bearing? i ask because i am using the linux-k7 kernel, which is supposed to be athlon specific?
[10:42] <Tugg> hey, has anyone had problems with graveman?
[10:43] <Dougcan_> Have to get back to work, thanks for yor help Amaranth and Seveas
[10:43] <scizzo> djp: what kind of report is that?
[10:43] <Tugg> it tried burning an ISO with it and it failed 2 times
[10:43] <Tugg> nautilus burned it though
[10:43] <scizzo> djp: I don't know...I am not using k7
[10:44] <scizzo> Tugg: hmmm...that needs a bit more information.
[10:44] <Tugg> and I just installed gnomebaker (which is freaking nice) and it worked just fine
[10:44] <KarlosII> dumb question, but what is an absolute URL?
[10:44] <scizzo> Tugg: how does the burning fail?
[10:44] <n4cht> say cheese.  :D
[10:44] <scizzo> Tugg: what does the application tell you?
[10:44] <Tugg> graveman doesnt say why
[10:45] <scizzo> Tugg: so it burns the CD but it fails?
[10:45] <Tugg> it just says disk failed and then ejects it
[10:45] <djp> scizzo: it is just a kernal compiled specifically for athlon processors available via apt-get. just wondered if that would be an issue.
[10:45] <Tugg> the first time it stopped half way through
[10:45] <scizzo> Tugg: weird
[10:45] <n4cht> http://wretched.ws/ubflux.png  <- my fresh, brand new, sexified fluxbox ubuntu desktop.  (provided ubuntu doesn't have any sort of firewall that blocks port 80, that link should work.)
[10:46] <Pizbit> djp: Unlikely, always put in your kernel version in any report concerning kernels anyway (uname -r)
[10:46] <Tugg> the second time it was right before fixating
[10:46] <scizzo> djp: I know how the kernels are done in ubuntu....my question to you is....have you tried looking at the load avarege and then run openoffice again while doing that?
[10:46] <Pizbit> n4cht: Wow, you *really* need to get a decent gtk2 theme going:)
[10:46] <HeavenWarrior> guys someone to have tried new gnome 2.10
[10:47] <scizzo> djp: or you are reporting something like: "My machine crashed! and I don't know why!"
[10:47] <nis> n4cht: it's not blocked
[10:47] <n4cht> Pizbit, why would i want a gtk2 theme going on fluxbox?
[10:47] <n4cht> that kinda defeats the purpose of running a lightweight wm.
[10:47] <Tugg> gnomebaker is really nice though, I didn't know it had this many features
[10:47] <Pizbit> n4cht: Er, because you're using xchat which uses gtk2?
[10:47] <nis> n4cht: get the VGA font for that xterm. ;)
[10:47] <HeavenWarrior> cuase i've a problem with gnome applets transparency ;(
[10:48] <lindo> could anyone help me, i get an entire black screen when i try to run Enemy Territroy ???
[10:48] <Tugg> lindo, do you have proper 3d support?
[10:48] <samatman> ok, what do i have to do to build the module?
[10:48] <samatman> coz nothing is working
[10:48] <lindo> i think so
[10:48] <samatman> how do i get that build environment?
[10:48] <Pizbit> lindo: Kill off any sound daemons first.
[10:48] <lindo> pizbit, how ? :P
[10:48] <Tugg> type glxgears at CLI and tell us the output
[10:49] <Tugg> it should be in the 2000-3000 range
[10:49] <djp> scizzo: is it best to use the top command for that?
[10:49] <n4cht> that's actually aterm.  i modified the hell out of it to look like xterm, but with semi-transparency and different colors when focus/unfocused.
[10:49] <lindo> tugg 6441 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1288.200 FPS
[10:49] <lindo> 7154 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1430.800 FPS
[10:49] <lindo> 7181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1436.200 FPS
[10:49] <Tugg> alright you have 3d... you using ATI?
[10:49] <lindo> yep
[10:50] <Pizbit> lindo: killall -9 esd :) Or polypaudio hehe.
[10:50] <n4cht> i have to admit though, i don't like the way this fluxbox looks.
[10:50] <Tugg> thats most likly your problem
[10:50] <Pizbit> There's something else too, lemmie dig it up.
[10:50] <djp> scizzo: using the top command it shows that while running openoffice my machine is using an average of 2% cpu usage
[10:50] <Pizbit> Tugg: ET gives you black if it can't access the sound properly
[10:50] <lindo> lol
[10:50] <n4cht> now, if i could just figure out how the heck to install the 'official' nvidia drivers so i could get some 3d going, i'd be happy.
[10:50] <scizzo> n4cht: getting rid of GTK2 stuff is rather hard....many things today runs either GTK2 or QT
[10:50] <lindo> pizbit ok ill try and see what happens
[10:51] <Tugg> n4cht, you can use synaptic to get nvidia drivers
[10:51] <Pizbit> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss <or this one, forget which worked for me, but in my case et loaded without giving sound;)> echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[10:52] <n4cht> ugh.  synaptic.
[10:52] <EricNeon> my wiki front page is still as "Site error",how can I edit it?
[10:52] <Tugg> n4cht, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:53] <Tugg> if you prefer CLI
[10:53] <MyNameIsChris> Sorry for my many questions but could someone please tell me how to set up 5.1ch sound in Warty without saying recompile ALSA
[10:53] <n4cht> already did that.  but when i change my xorg.conf to use the nvidia driver, X refuses to start.  i had the same problem in mepis after i upgraded beyond the 2.6.7 kernel.
[10:53] <Tugg> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:54] <Tugg> use that to change your xorg settings
[10:54] <Pizbit> n4cht: You need to reinstall the nvidia drivers for xorg
[10:54] <Pizbit> er, assuming you changed from using them with xfree to xorg.
[10:54] <MyNameIsChris> Do I have to recompile ALSA?
[10:54] <nachtwind> isnt it possible to resize a partition with parted?
[10:54] <n4cht> brb.  tried nvidia-glx-config enable.
[10:55] <lindo> Pizbit it worked :D:D:D
[10:55] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: what sound card?
[10:55] <MyNameIsChris> Intel ICH5
[10:55] <lindo> pizbit runs smoothly too
[10:55] <Tugg> I love the theme song to Big O
[10:55] <Pizbit> lindo: Sweet, yeah, just disable esd(killing works:)) before running et and then you might want to load it again afterwards.
[10:55] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: got xmms?
[10:55] <lindo> except the resolution looks weird :P
[10:55] <lindo> ill try n fix it
[10:55] <Tugg> ESD seems to cause alot of problems
[10:56] <Tugg> like why mplayer wont work right in hoary
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, No, xine guy
[10:56] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: beep-media-player will suffice, too
[10:56] <Pizbit> Tugg: *cough*mplayer -ao esd*cough*
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, but if it means 5.1 I will experiment
[10:56] <Tugg> Pizbit, i now how to do that, but trying to use it in firefox crashes it
[10:56] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: are you using straight xine-ui?
[10:56] <dalkus> How do I check if a directory has something mounted on it?
[10:57] <Pizbit> Tugg: Put it into the mplayer config file
[10:57] <Tugg> tried that too
[10:57] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Yes, apt-installed xine. I think it picked up xine-lib and xine-ui
[10:57] <Pizbit> ~/mplayer/config 'ao = esd'
[10:57] <Pizbit> Tugg: I find it's more programs expecting OSS that are a pain, alsa/esd ones can be fixed up with dmix and 'aoss esd'
[10:57] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: do you have a wav file handy?
[10:57] <Tugg> alright
[10:57] <Pizbit> Or aoss polypaudio hehe
[10:57] <n4cht> ok.. X managed to start after using that command.. however, glxgears now fails to function with the error Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:57] <EricNeon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/     what sre you seem?
[10:58] <MyNameIsChris> No, sorry. Plenty of MP3s
[10:58] <crimsun> Pizbit: please don't aoss either esd or polypaudio, since both of them provide native alsa backends
[10:58] <Pizbit> n4cht: You need to edit xorg.conf according to the nvidia readme
[10:58] <lindo> Pizbit got it running very good now :D
[10:58] <Pizbit> crimsun: I need to have them dmix'd :P
[10:58] <MyNameIsChris> For complicated reasons I have to rip my music at another box, not this one
[10:58] <crimsun> Pizbit: you're just adding unnecessary latency if you do that
[10:58] <lindo> but how do i re enable esd ?
[10:58] <crimsun> Pizbit: then overload default and hw:0,0
[10:58] <n4cht> Pizbit, nvidia-glx-config enable did that for me.  i checked the conf.
[10:58] <Pizbit> crimsun: The only stuff that needs esd/polypaudio don't care about latency
[10:58] <Tugg> well I have been using totem embeded with a little success, but I will have to try Mplayer again (even though it is slower)
[10:58] <kalis> I AM SOOO HAPPY NOW! I fixed my problems with Swedish characters in smbfs mounted shares...Weee!
[10:59] <Pizbit> n4cht: Did it add in Load "glx" ?
[10:59] <Pizbit> n4cht: Oh, and did you restart X?:)
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Would you like me to grab a wav? I think Gnome's sounds are wavs
[10:59] <crimsun> Pizbit: true, dmix is a monstrous latency issue.
[10:59] <Pizbit> crimsun: er, "overload default and hw:0,0" ?
[10:59] <djp> Pizbit: thanks for the kernel command.
[10:59] <n4cht> Pizbit,  Load    "glx"
[10:59] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: no biggie.  If you have mpg123 or ogg123 installed, we can work with that.
[11:00] <n4cht> it's there.
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Goodie. I appreciate this
[11:00] <Tugg> n4cht, is the nvidia kernal module loading?
[11:00] <nis> n4cht:  http://www.river.org/~chris/ubuntu/foobar.png
[11:00] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: mpg123 -s something.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Hmm, guess I don't have that
[11:00] <n4cht> Tugg, yeah.  it loaded.  every time it failed to load before, X wouldn't start at all.  now X is loading fine, just no glx
[11:01] <MyNameIsChris> apt time
[11:01] <djp> Pizbit: for your info my kernel is 2.6.8.1-5-k7
[11:01] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, xine won't do?
[11:01] <Tugg> hmm
[11:01] <crimsun> Pizbit: yep, with ~/.asoundrc || /etc/asound.conf
[11:01] <Tugg> is DRI still loading?
[11:01] <Tugg> they can conflict sometimes
[11:01] <Pizbit> crimsun: I have absolutely no idea what you're blathering about with regards to "overload default and hw:0,0", to put my point across bluntly.
[11:01] <Pizbit> *grin*
[11:01] <n4cht> DRI isn't on the list anymore.
[11:01] <n4cht> wait..
[11:01] <n4cht> yes it is.
[11:01] <n4cht> bah.
[11:02] <Pizbit> Disable dri, and GLcore
[11:02] <crimsun> Pizbit: dmix all native alsa apps by default
[11:02] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Oh, it is a tiny download
[11:02] <n4cht> GLCore isn't there.  i removed that straight-away.  that i remembered.   dri is the one i always forget.
[11:02] <Tugg> run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:02] <Pizbit> crimsun: I just grabbed a ~/.asoundrc off a webpage:)
[11:02] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: for xine, I'm only familiar with the conf
[11:02] <Tugg> then remove glcore and dri
[11:03] <Tugg> (the above command needs to run sudo)
[11:03] <Pizbit> n4cht: I solve the problem my always using the same config file for any installation etc *grin*
[11:03] <nis> I had to  Option  "omit DPMS"
[11:04] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, I hear strange bips and static. Like aliens are tyring to talk to me
[11:04] <n4cht> brb.  restarting X.
[11:04] <nis> (xfree/warty)
[11:04] <Tugg> xorg.conf is such a finiky file
[11:04] <Tugg> but it very easy to learn
[11:04] <EricNeon> any administrator of ubuntu website here?
[11:04] <nis> I didn't have any problems with xorg in gentoo.
[11:04] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: are you using the spdif output?
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, negative
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> 3 3.5mm stereo jacks
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> or 1/8 inch or whatever the imperial equiv is
[11:05] <EricNeon> jdub?
[11:05] <Tugg> did the nvidia screen load this time?
[11:06] <nis> Tugg: xorg.conf looks traditional to me.
[11:06] <jdub> EricNeon: yo?
[11:06] <n4cht> it was the damn DRI.
[11:06] <jdub> EricNeon: wiki is being looked at atm
[11:06] <n4cht> 15446 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3089.200 FPS    hawt!
[11:06] <nis> It's only missing ModeLines.
[11:06] <Tugg> yeah
[11:06] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: and you're using -Dplug:surround51 ?
[11:06] <EricNeon> ?
[11:07] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, mpg123 -s /home/christopher/Music/LegendsIII\ \(2005\)/01\ I\ Want\ To\ Break\ Free.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -
[11:07] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Can't listen to Queen without a sub
[11:07] <Pizbit> hehehe
[11:07] <EricNeon> it seems here is :" Error Type
[11:07] <EricNeon>     AttributeError"
[11:07] <Tugg> n4cht, what video card?
[11:07] <n4cht> GeForce 3
[11:08] <Tugg> nvidia is the only way to go
[11:08] <Pizbit> n4cht: *grumble* I get around 751 or so, around 1056 if I use the latest nvidia drivers which have X lockup problems >.<
[11:08] <Tugg> well unless you dont like working drivers
[11:09] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: err, I left out -f cd
[11:09] <n4cht> until just now, i was starting to doubt that.  one of the whole reasons i switched to ubuntu was being able to get my enemy territory fix.  right now, the mepis copy of nvidia-glx isn't working right.. but i heard that ubuntu has like zero problems with glx.
[11:09] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: mpg123 -s something.mp3 | aplay -Dplug:surround51 -f cd -
[11:09] <n4cht> it came down to either switching to ubuntu, or buying an ATI card.
[11:09] <n4cht> heh.
[11:10] <n4cht> i'm glad i went with the 'free' option.
[11:10] <Pizbit> heh
[11:10] <nis> I bought the iMac w/GeForce2 MX without bothering to see if the thing was supported in Linux.  I got lucky. ;)
[11:10] <Tugg> i get 3800 fps in glx gears
[11:10] <Pizbit> Or you could always fall back to using the official nvidia driver package:)
[11:10] <eyequeue> i've got a question about the hoary dist-upgrade
[11:10] <Tugg> fx 5500
[11:10] <nis> n4cht: it's the kernel, not ubuntu.
[11:11] <Tugg> Pizbit, but then you have to reinstall everything you update your kernel
[11:11] <Tugg> everytime
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Did I tell you I love you?
[11:11] <eyequeue> xserver-xfree86 becomes xserver-xorg, but what happens to the old?  do you have double the drive space used up?
[11:11] <Pizbit> Meh
[11:11] <n4cht> Pizbit, i use a custom 2.6.11 kernel w/mepis.   even with the sources, the official package won't build the proper module.
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Well I do
[11:11] <Pizbit> 2 minutes, tops:)
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Thankyou
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> Very much
[11:11] <Pizbit> And one doesn't exactly upgrade their kernel very often.
[11:11] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: with xine, there should be a xine-config in $HOME
[11:12] <nis> eyequeue: no. it overwrites same directory structure.
[11:12] <Tugg> ubuntu probably have one every month or 2
[11:12] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: for instance, ~/.xine/config
[11:12] <eyequeue> nis:  so the only package that doesn't overlap is the actual xserver-xorg?
[11:12] <Pizbit> Tugg: *shrug* I like to play around and it doesn't bother me in the slightest and I've always distrusted distro packages nvidia drivers.
[11:12] <nis> eyequeue: diff the .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[11:12] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: uncomment the line that begins as: #audio.device.alsa_surround51_device:plug:surround51:0
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Yeah, I'll check it out. First I will enjoy this
[11:13] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: then restart xine-ui
[11:13] <nis> (I mean that *might* work)
[11:13] <n4cht> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm)  1249.510 MHz | Bogomips: 2465.79 | Mem: 148/251M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 41.58G Free: 29.37G | Procs: 73 | Uptime: 1 hr 51 mins 32 secs | Load: 0.00 0.10 0.16  | Vpenis: 25.2 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]  (rev a3) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 57.62M Out: 4.70M
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> Thanks
[11:13] <Pizbit> Tugg: I thought Kubuntu was a joke when I heard of it first.
[11:13] <eyequeue> nis:  that would require having a hoary box, heh .. i'm just anticipating
[11:13] <nis> I needed some spam. snowed in here. ;)
[11:13] <nis> eyequeue: honestly xorg is X11.
[11:13] <Tugg> I really like kubuntu they have come along way in a short amount of time
[11:13] <nis> eyequeue: at worst you'd first purge Xfree.
[11:14] <nis> eyequeue: I'd do that part at the console ;)
[11:14] <Tugg> it still needs work
[11:14] <eyequeue> heh
[11:14] <Pizbit> eyequeue: I found a performance boost with glxgears in xorg over xfree myself:)
[11:14] <KarlosII> anyone know if there any major differences between the amd 64 3200+ 939 cpu and the amd 64 3000+ 939 cpu?
[11:14] <nis> or at least ssh in from another box when your keyboard and mouse stop responding
[11:14] <Tugg> KarlosII, yes
[11:14] <Tugg> one is a 3200
[11:14] <Tugg> the other 3000
[11:15] <n4cht> ok.  time to go download enemy territory, and then go to bed.  thanks for all the help in getting me up and running with ubuntu.  i've never been more impressed with a debian based distro, and knowing there's an active channel where i can share my love for ubuntu makes it all the better.
[11:15] <Tugg> buy the higher one if you can afford it
[11:15] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Dunno, but it's possible one has a lot more cache than the other but is the same speed.
[11:15] <crimsun> n4cht: of course you'll be getting version 2.60 with etf ;)
[11:15] <KarlosII> Pizbit, yeahI'm not concerned about ghz, just fuctions and featrues
[11:16] <KarlosII> functions and features
[11:16] <Tugg> KarlosII, there is no feature difference
[11:16] <Tugg> (i sell pc hardware for a living)
[11:16] <Pizbit> Tugg: As do a trillion other people :)
[11:16] <Tugg> and not at best buy (i hate those guys)
[11:17] <n4cht> crimsun, etf?
[11:17] <crimsun> n4cht: etfgame.com
[11:17] <Tugg> yes but I work for an intel premier provider, which is the top 2 percent of the country
[11:17] <KarlosII> Tugg, okie that's what I wanted to know...you noticed I said MAJOR, personally I consider cpu speed insignificant if there is not more then 500 mhz differenc
[11:17] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, xine-ui decides that it is its duty to recomment that line every time it starts
[11:17] <KarlosII> duty HAHAHAH
[11:17] <CoRzA> Hey guys I'm having a problem with my screen resolution it's set to 60hz and i cant change it
[11:17] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: then you will need to change the sound config in xine-ui
[11:18] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Okay
[11:18] <n4cht> holy crap.  etf looks SEXY.
[11:18] <Tugg> lol
[11:18] <KarlosII> CoRzA, u need to make sure you know FOR absolutely certain that your monitor can support it and add modelines to xorg
[11:18] <CoRzA> i am absolutely sure
[11:19] <CoRzA> KarlosII, it is supported up to about 85hz but i usually run it at 75hz fine
[11:19] <CoRzA> KarlosII, (in windows anyway)
[11:19] <KarlosII> CoRzA, u could use a livecd like Kanotix and copy the XFree86Config-4
[11:19] <KarlosII> to your harddrive and then copy the modelines from there
[11:20] <KarlosII> I plan on doing that when I have some time
[11:20] <CoRzA> oh ok - wouldnt it be easier to somehow edit it?
[11:20] <KarlosII> I need to to gte mine upto 100, 21 inch is too big for 85
[11:20] <KarlosII> CoRzA, well my way might be faster :)
[11:21] <Pizbit> Hrm, has a date been penciled in for when is Hoary will be released yet?:)
[11:21] <KarlosII> woot woot
[11:21] <CoRzA> KarlosII, i'm not extemely fluent with linux
[11:21] <crimsun> Pizbit: 6 Apr
[11:21] <CoRzA> but i'm willing to try
[11:21] <KarlosII> Awwww no April 1st :)
[11:21] <KarlosII> eheheheheheheh
[11:21] <ikaro> mojn
[11:21] <crimsun> KarlosII: 2 days for RC testing?!
[11:21] <nis> plows really going at it outside
[11:22] <KarlosII> same here
[11:22] <CoRzA> Kanotix is a distro yeah?/
[11:22] <KarlosII> lotsa snow fell in 3 days
[11:22] <KarlosII> and the day b4 there was no snow left on the ground :(
[11:22] <Kamion> Pizbit: we set that date six months ago ;)
[11:22] <KarlosII> CoRzA, yeah #kanotix this server
[11:22] <KarlosII> www.kanotix.com
[11:22] <Tugg> april 6th will be great
[11:22] <nis> CoRzA: you have to set horiz and vert sync
[11:23] <Pizbit> Kamion: Heh, as if many people go by release dates set that long ago.
[11:23] <CoRzA> argh i dont feel like downloading another distro just now.. lol
[11:23] <CoRzA> nis, how?
[11:23] <Tugg> Reinstalls all around the house!!!
[11:23] <nis> CoRzA: grep 'Horiz' in xorg.conf
[11:23] <Pizbit> Tugg: Yeah, I got so much crap installed on this one;)
[11:23] <KarlosII> Tugg, reinstall?
[11:23] <nis> set it to like I dunno widen it a bit.
[11:24] <Tugg> yeah I have so much crap on here from trying stuff
[11:24] <KarlosII> lol
[11:24] <CoRzA> nis, thats in etc?
[11:24] <nis> horiz should be um 31 khz up to whatever; vert from 50 to 90 hz say
[11:24] <Tugg> that a wipe and reinstall is the only way to go
[11:24] <nis> CoRzA: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or thereabouts
[11:24] <nis> (a guess)
[11:24] <Tugg> plus it only take like 20 mins
[11:24] <Pizbit> nis: *ahem* One should *always* check the manufactor's website for such details least ones' monitor go kaboom
[11:24] <Kamion> Pizbit: we do :)
[11:25] <Pizbit> Kamion: Hehehe
[11:25] <CoRzA> nis, it says read only?
[11:25] <Kamion> preview slipped by a whole day or so from the schedule set back then, and we intend that not to happen for the release
[11:25] <nis> CoRzA: chmod +w myfile
[11:25] <KarlosII> Pizbit, ever have a monitor go KABOOM
[11:25] <Pizbit> Only when I poured heaps of water on one...
[11:26] <CoRzA> nis, ok i'm not great on the lingo i sorta know what chmod is from web servers but i dont know how to do it on linux
[11:26] <Pizbit> Nah, it can be rather bothersome to have the wrong settings set
[11:26] <KarlosII> lol
[11:27] <nis> CoRzA: cd /etc/X11  and then    chmod u+w ./xorg.conf
[11:27] <Pizbit> Maybe they'll take it out of beta? *gasp* As if.
[11:27] <Tugg> I want to know how many gmail account are actualy used
[11:27] <Tugg> not just a dumping ground for spam
[11:27] <CoRzA> operation not permitted would i have to log into root?
[11:27] <KarlosII> Pizbit, so far I've on seen a mobo start on fire and give off an 3 inch flame, and a pwr supply smoke up half the storefront
[11:27] <Tugg> or for signing up for porn
[11:28] <Pizbit> heh
[11:28] <nis> CoRzA: sudo -s
[11:28] <CoRzA> got it :)
[11:28] <KarlosII> Pizbit, what you mean it went public already a week or two ago I thought
[11:28] <nis> ;)
[11:28] <nis> easier to work in a root shell.
[11:28] <nis> I'd also follow that with a healthy 'su - root' for good keeping
[11:28] <Tugg> I pay for my email
[11:28] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Although with regards to monitors the machine my brother-in-law has seems to chew through them rather quickly, two in as many months
[11:29] <KarlosII> Tugg, so do I, it's call ISP mail :)
[11:29] <CoRzA> whats su - root do?
[11:29] <nis> just you know face the mirror -- only you can help you -- and promise to be a good root. ;)
[11:29] <Tugg> I would never use comcast email
[11:29] <nis> the - in su - root gives login shell
[11:29] <Tugg> I have a fusemail account
[11:29] <KarlosII> Pizbit, ugggh......I have an auction I can get 17 to 19 inch for betwen 30 to 50 dollars cdn
[11:29] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, xine is definitely not playing nicely with me. I think I will learn mpg123, it sounded nice anyway
[11:29] <Tugg> it grab the mail from all my other account for me
[11:29] <eyequeue> CoRzA:  it says "allow me to break my system"
[11:29] <nis> correct canonical (ha!) root environment to Do Stuph In
[11:29] <Pizbit> KarlosII: I still have 50 invites showing,  login page doesn't have a register here and the help page says it's still invite only
[11:30] <CoRzA> oh lol being the same as sudo -s ?
[11:30] <Pizbit> KarlosII: I want a better monitor too
[11:30] <eyequeue> CoRzA:  but if you're careful, it allows you to make system-wide changes, not user-level changes
[11:30] <nis> CoRzA: root can delete all files in this mode.
[11:30] <KarlosII> Tugg, comcast mail :) eheheheh dang pain the butt to provide tech support for I tell you...
[11:30] <KarlosII> I know from experience
[11:30] <nis> CoRzA: I'm new to sudo (and ubuntu) -- I'm a debian person.
[11:30] <Tugg> yeah me too
[11:31] <CoRzA> nis & eyequeue, yes i'm sorta aware of that :) thanks
[11:31] <eyequeue> CoRzA:  but careful is the operative word
[11:31] <nis> btw ElEtE nicks are a fscking pita to tab-complete.
[11:31] <KarlosII> Pizbit, ehehe I need to get my aunt off the bloody 14 inch :)
[11:31] <Pizbit> Should I need any support I'd just ICQ him.
[11:31] <Tugg> I hate how comcast installs everyones internet using there USB ports
[11:31] <CoRzA> just not too up to all the terminology etc...
[11:31] <nis> (thanks for the typing test)
[11:31] <CoRzA> one day i'll get there lol
[11:31] <CoRzA> i just got ADSL today :) the town finally had it available
[11:31] <KarlosII> Tugg, I HATE it WHEN people use USB for ethernet
[11:31] <eyequeue> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[11:31] <eyequeue> su (1)               - Change user ID or become super-user
[11:31] <nis> CoRzA: thank me with /nick corza  hi hi
[11:31] <sihen> Hello all
[11:31] <Tugg> USB was not made for networks!! plug it in an RJ45 forgod sake and stop calling our store for tech support
[11:31] <KarlosII> TUGG and I HATE win98 machines more
[11:31] <CoRzA> from 56kb -> 1.5mbit
[11:32] <sihen> can someone tell me where I can get some cool x login screens from?
[11:32] <CoRzA> did that do something?
[11:32] <Tugg> sihen, go to gnome-look.org
[11:32] <CoRzA> nis, did that do something?
[11:32] <KarlosII> Tugg, because of usb drivers and insatlling them on windows98 is a pain
[11:32] <nis> Tugg: I bot a USB A to B cord with my HP 1100dtn and never opened the package. ;)
[11:32] <Tugg> lots og kool GDMS there
[11:32] <KarlosII> lol
[11:32] <Pizbit> KarlosII: It's not because they also tend to be insanely slow?
[11:32] <sihen> Tugg,  ta
[11:33] <nis> CoRzA: did what do what? /he indirectly references to further obscure the conversation
[11:33] <KarlosII> Pizbit, no I don't care about that..that's the customers problem not mine, I just hate spending 30 freaking minutes or more on the phone trying to get the dang thing working
[11:33] <Pizbit> heh
[11:34] <sihen> Tugg, what would you call a logon screen? cause i dont see it in the menu
[11:34] <nis>  /clear
[11:34] <Tugg> I work for a fairly good sized small computer store, and I cant stand when people call for tech support because the manufactures of there computers have horrid service (same goes for ISP service)
[11:34] <KarlosII> I don't mind long calls especially if another agent had a bad day and messed up a customer acct. I can handle that as a reason for having high call avgs
[11:34] <CoRzA> nis, ok back umm just about to sorta fix it all up
[11:34] <Tugg> that is the Gnome Display Manager
[11:34] <CoRzA> nis, just guide me through if u can
[11:34] <nis> eek daylight
[11:35] <Tugg> you are looking for GDM themes
[11:35] <maddler> hmmmm... where LS_COLORS and LS_OPTIONS are configured?
[11:35] <maddler> pleasde...
[11:35] <maddler> :)
[11:35] <nis> CoRzA: nosleep here 24 h.  what are we doing again?
[11:35] <sihen> ta
[11:35] <KarlosII> Tugg, All we do for tech support at comcast is make sure the customer has a connection and has the right settings :)
[11:35] <Pizbit> maddler: .bashrc or .bash_profile ?
[11:35] <KarlosII> other then that not our problem
[11:35] <Tugg> lol
[11:35] <CoRzA> nis, it has here... HorizSync 28-49 and VertRefresh 43-72
[11:35] <CoRzA> nis, the umm changing of screen hz
[11:35] <nis> CoRzA: right!
[11:35] <Tugg> now I know why they call us
[11:35] <nis> CoRzA: vert
[11:36] <nis> up it to 90 or better.
[11:36] <nis> what sort of crt is it?
[11:36] <CoRzA> nis, flat
[11:36] <nis> lcd?
[11:36] <KarlosII> Tugg, :) I'm not about to teach them how to use a freaking computer :)
[11:36] <CoRzA> nis, no crt
[11:36] <Tugg> lol
[11:36] <nis> hey before u do that do this:
[11:36] <nis> xvidtune
[11:36] <nis> be CAREFUL.
[11:36] <CoRzA> in terminal?
[11:36] <nis> can fry crt this way.
[11:36] <nis> in X11.
[11:36] <KarlosII> no KIDDING
[11:36] <nis> xterm.
[11:37] <nis> don't do anything in xvidtune tho.
[11:37] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Are the phone calls recorded? Sounds like a good place to plug a 'how to use your computer course':)
[11:37] <nis> kzzzot.
[11:37] <KarlosII> Pizbit, sometims :)
[11:37] <CoRzA> what do i go into??
[11:37] <KarlosII> rotflol
[11:37] <CoRzA> i'm in the folder X11
[11:38] <nis> CoRzA: if anything bad happens shut off the CRT power IMMEDIATELY.
[11:38] <keffo> argh!
[11:38] <keffo> no hoary updates in long time now
[11:38] <keffo> ;P
[11:38] <nis> just look, don't touch.
[11:38] <Tugg> the greatest blessing I got from my comcast install was the setup disc didnt work, So i got to set it up with out using that horrid software
[11:38] <Pizbit> The THUNK being the channel idiot dropping their monitor on the floor because it stopped working. :)
[11:38] <CoRzA> ok ok
[11:38] <CoRzA> what am i looking at
[11:38] <KarlosII> Tugg, where you at right now what state?
[11:38] <sihen> one last questin, I downloaded a xmms skin, any idea where to put it?
[11:38] <Tugg> WA
[11:38] <KarlosII> ah they are on BEDROCK now....:)
[11:39] <KarlosII> new reg and provisioning system
[11:39] <KarlosII> :)
[11:39] <Pizbit> sihen: ~/.xmms/Skins maybe?
[11:39] <nis> CoRzA: look at the parameters.  There's a button that echoes some of them to the xterm
[11:39] <hayden> how can i remove gnome ?
[11:39] <sihen> Pizbit,  ta
[11:39] <nis> look means DO NOT MODIFY.
[11:39] <Tugg> The "Evergreen" state (well not this year since its dry as a bone
[11:39] <Deviad> Hello
[11:39] <CoRzA> nis, would it be safer to look up the specs of my monitor?
[11:39] <nis> CoRzA: in a way sure. do u have 'em?
[11:39] <gilles> I have installed realplayer, it works, but when clicking to listen to radio with firefox, it says: "Could not find an appropriate hxplay (-what's that?-) or realplay in the system path to use as an embedded player". What shall I do ?
[11:39] <sihen> Pizbit,
[11:39] <sihen> root@Enigma:~ # cd ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:39] <sihen> -su: cd: /root/.xmms/Skins: No such file or directory
[11:39] <Pizbit> Make it?:P
[11:39] <CoRzA> nis, i could :S
[11:40] <Deviad> Hey guys, 2 days ago I had to reinstall Windows XP and it has overwritten the MBR.
[11:40] <CoRzA> nis, i'll just check
[11:40] <nis> CoRzA: u want to know how many MHz the CRT can be pushed to.
[11:40] <hayden> Deviad, if u have a floppy disc drive look for a program called GAG
[11:40] <nis> (clock)
[11:40] <KarlosII> Tugg, all the customer has to do is connect the modem and the computer and start them up and the open internet explorer and voila "Welcome to Comcast" please download this file and run it to register your modem and activate your acct :)
[11:40] <Pizbit> sihen: All I know is I have that directory so it'd make sense to put them there, maybe you can drag'n'drop it onto xmms too?
[11:40] <Deviad> In order to reinstall Grub on the MBR do I have to repeat the boot loader instqallation from the first step?
[11:40] <CoRzA> nis, yes
[11:40] <KarlosII> speaking of XP.....I need to call them and order a new disk
[11:40] <Deviad> I had already install Windows XP and Ubuntu before, so the grub is already configured on my machine
[11:40] <CoRzA> nis, umm my firefox isnt working :S
[11:41] <Tugg> yeah, to bad no one tell the lay person that
[11:41] <nis> CoRzA: mozilla better
[11:41] <javier_> hello I need a litle tip
[11:41] <KarlosII> Deviad, just get a livecd and run grub
[11:41] <Deviad> I just had to install Windows XP again, when I used Lilo I just got into a shell from the CD and I used to type lilo -v
[11:41] <Deviad> now I have grub
[11:41] <Deviad> what do I have to type?
[11:41] <CoRzA> nis, comes up page cant be displayed
[11:41] <nis> CoRzA: don't worry about it.  you can tune it.
[11:41] <sihen> can anyone else help ?
[11:41] <javier_> What aplication I need to burn cds in ubuntu
[11:41] <KarlosII> Tugg yeah, to bad no one tell the lay person that <---- I didn't quite catch the gist of that sentence.... you must be tired :)
[11:42] <Deviad> javier_, you can use K3B or xcdroast
[11:42] <Tugg> javier_, just use nutiluas
[11:42] <Deviad> or if you prefear the shell mode you can use cdrecord
[11:42] <KarlosII> javier_, yea use nautilus
[11:42] <Tugg> or gnomebaker!!!!
[11:42] <sihen> Tugg, do you know by any chance?
[11:42] <javier_> Deviad: I can use apt get
[11:42] <nis> CoRzA: xvidtune will not let you go past the limits of those horiz and vertical timings we saw earlier; if they're too permisive you can fry the CRT.
[11:42] <Deviad> javier_, do you know what a shell is? ^^
[11:42] <javier_> mmmmmm bash
[11:42] <Pizbit> Tugg: Don't suppose you know how to give a data dvd a label in gnomebaker?:)
[11:42] <Deviad> javier_, bash is just a shell... not the shell
[11:43] <javier_> Deviad: bash
[11:43] <CoRzA> nis: where do i find xvidtune?
[11:43] <hayden> how do i add marillat source to sources.list in hoary?
[11:43] <Pizbit> KarlosII: "* KarlosII is poor!" ?:)
[11:43] <Deviad> javier_, the shell is  a command interpreter that can be considered as a "true" language
[11:43] <nis> CoRzA: what happens is X11 reads xorg.conf which tells it the extreme operating ranges of the CRT hardware. So the human (you) decides that range.
[11:43] <KarlosII> lol
[11:43] <Tugg> sihen, ~/.xmms/skins
[11:43] <Deviad> javier_, it has built in commands and object commands..
[11:43] <Deviad> .
[11:43] <nis> CoRzA: 'which xvidtune'
[11:43] <CoRzA> ahh so i should put it at 85?
[11:43] <javier_> Deviad; is gnome shell
[11:43] <nis> 85 for vert is fine with modern hardware.
[11:43] <Deviad> javier_, so bash is just a command interpreter with some commands...
[11:44] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Google for your monitor model number
[11:44] <Deviad> javier_, wrong again, gnome shell is a just a gui of a bash shell ^^
[11:44] <CoRzA> pizbit, i cant connect into firefox for some reason
[11:44] <nis> CoRzA: bring it up one step at a time: 85, then 90, then 95, then 100.
[11:44] <CoRzA> wait yes i can its back
[11:44] <ghent> hello, i'm having a problem with rhytmbox which as probably been already covered but i can't find a solution on google. I have this message: There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg ubuntu (with hoary)
[11:44] <javier_> Deviad; is bash
[11:44] <Deviad> javier_, you decide which shell to use in the attributes of the user when you create the user
[11:44] <Tugg> Pizbit, Im not sure how to do a DVD lable
[11:44] <deFrysk> ghent, gstreamer-mad
[11:44] <javier_> Deviad; I want to burn cds
[11:44] <nis> CoRzA: be sure X11 is totally stopped between iterations.
[11:44] <CoRzA> nis, where is xvidtune?
[11:45] <Deviad> javier_, and I told you that you can get k3b via apt-get
[11:45] <CoRzA> and also i cant change it it still says read only
[11:45] <Deviad> do apt-get install k3b*
[11:45] <ghent> deFrysk, let me check if i installed it
[11:45] <nis> CoRzA: traditionally, /usr/X11R6/bin/X11/xvidtune, iirc
[11:45] <Deviad> :)
[11:45] <Pizbit> javier_: Nautilus has cd burning built into it, just use that
[11:45] <nis> (drop the 2nd X11 that's a mistake on my part)
[11:45] <sihen> Tugg,
[11:45] <sihen> root@Enigma:/home/sihen/Desktop/skin # mv * ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:45] <sihen> mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
[11:45] <Deviad> OK, getting back to my problem, what do I have to do to reinstall Grub?
[11:45] <deFrysk> ghent, also read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:45] <Tugg> ghent, you need to use synaptic to download the gsteamer codecs
[11:45] <Pizbit> sihen: Put the / on the end
[11:45] <javier_> Pizbit; How to burn
[11:45] <Pizbit> And make sure it is a directory that exists
[11:46] <deFrysk> Tugg, do you now ?
[11:46] <CoRzA> nis, ok found it
[11:46] <Deviad> Pizbit, ja but k3b is like neroburning
[11:46] <CoRzA> nis, umm i cant change xorg.conf
[11:46] <Deviad> you can burn dvd and a batch of things
[11:46] <nis> CoRzA: if the CRT fails to sync power it down IMMEDIATELY. or if it makes a high-pitched whine.
[11:46] <Pizbit> Go -> CD/DVD Creator (Or is it burn in warty?) and add stuff, then right click and burn/write-to-disc
[11:46] <ghent> Tugg, why synaptic ? i'm used to apt-get
[11:46] <deFrysk> in gnome one can use graveman iso k3b
[11:47] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Use sudo
[11:47] <Tugg> sihen, ls ~/.xmms/\
[11:47] <nis> CoRzA: chmod u+w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:47] <Tugg> sihen, ls ~/.xmms/
[11:47] <Tugg> see what folders are there
[11:47] <Deviad> javier_, anyways, it's just a matter of taste... if you like more the gui of k3b go for that otherwise go for nautilus, it's your choice.
[11:47] <djp> anyone know why i get this message in my local mail? /etc/cron.daily/slocate: warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[11:47] <Tugg> ghent, I just say that cause it is easier to search
[11:47] <Deviad> Ok, now that we have resolved javier_ issue may we talk about my problem?
[11:47] <Deviad> ^^
[11:48] <CoRzA> nis, i done that..
[11:48] <nis> djp: cron mails that to u.
[11:48] <deFrysk> Tugg, synaptic is for sissies ;p
[11:48] <CoRzA> nis, i opened it in gedit
[11:48] <Tugg> and it is easier to not send people to CLI if you dont have to
[11:48] <sihen> Tugg,
[11:48] <sihen> root@Enigma:/home/sihen # ls ~/.xmms/
[11:48] <sihen> ls: /root/.xmms/: No such file or directory
[11:48] <Tugg> hmm
[11:48] <Deviad> djp, don't need to be Linus Torvald to know that the database is missing
[11:48] <Deviad> ^^
[11:48] <Pizbit> sihen: What are you using root for?
[11:48] <javier_> Deviad; what it is your trouble
[11:48] <Tugg> sihen, you are logged in as root
[11:48] <nis> ;)
[11:48] <nis> deviad
[11:49] <Tugg> thats you problem
[11:49] <Deviad> javier_, I need to know what to type into the shell via ubuntu cd to reinstall Grub on the MBR...
[11:49] <Deviad> do I have to write:
[11:49] <Deviad> #grub
[11:49] <Deviad> #setup (hd0,0)
[11:49] <Deviad> or whatever?
[11:49] <Tugg> synaptic isnt for sissies, there is a time and place for CLI and there is a Time and place for Graphical
[11:49] <javier_> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[11:49] <sihen> Pizbit,  Tugg
[11:49] <sihen> sihen@Enigma:~/Desktop/skin$ mv * ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:49] <sihen> mv: cannot move `balance.bmp' to `/home/sihen/.xmms/Skins/balance.bmp': Permission denied
[11:50] <sihen> thats why
[11:50] <djp> Deviad: why would it be missing? what database?
[11:50] <Tugg> what ever gets the job done the quickest
[11:50] <nis> Deviad: the config file may give a hint. I don't use grub. try gr[tab] [tab]  for a list of possible completions.
[11:50] <javier_> Deviad; I dont now
[11:50] <Pizbit> sihen: You made home/sihen/.xmms/Skins/ as root didn't you?
[11:50] <ghent> btw, i don't know if there is any ubuntu dev here, but that's the first distribution that made me quit debian (for workstations only)
[11:50] <Deviad> djp, well, I haven't got a bachelor in English but as it says a database, slocate.db, is missing.
[11:50] <sihen> Pizbit, can it be fixed?
[11:50] <nis> djp: how long the system been installed there?
[11:51] <Pizbit> sihen: Easiest thing to do is become root, delete the directory and make it again as your normal user
[11:51] <djp> Deviad: what id the slocate.db?
[11:51] <Tugg> ghent, ubuntu is still very much debian at heart
[11:51] <CoRzA> nis, you still there?
[11:51] <djp> nis: since yesterday
[11:51] <nis> CoRzA: yes
[11:51] <nis> djp: don't worry about it.
[11:51] <nis> djp: worry about it in a week.
[11:51] <Tugg> most of the ubuntu devs work on Debian
[11:51] <eyequeue> djp:  if it runs 24/7, it will be there in under 24 hours
[11:51] <nis> djp: leave the system on for a week or at least for 24 hrs
[11:51] <Pizbit> It's weekly not daily? Dang
[11:52] <CoRzA> nis, it has a maximum of 120hz so i'll be sorta fine
[11:52] <Pizbit> Ah, hehe
[11:52] <Tugg> and they pull alot of the packages fron SID I believe
[11:52] <eyequeue> djp:  secure locate database
[11:52] <djp> nis: ok.
[11:52] <nis> CoRzA: yep. 120 vert is good for u then. don't exceed it in xorg.conf okay?
[11:52] <ghent> Tugg, i know but it's neat to quickly install a new box
[11:52] <Tugg> i agreee
[11:52] <CoRzA> nis: yes how do i edit it i'm in gedit and it wont let me edit it and i have changed the permissions
[11:52] <Tugg> I love ubunutu (and kubuntu)
[11:52] <djp> eyequeue: thank you. a lot more informative than previous poster!
[11:53] <Tugg> the live CDs are awesome to
[11:53] <nis> CoRzA: ls -la /etc/X11/xorg.conf should say what current write perms are
[11:53] <deFrysk> I love ubuntu (not kubuntu )
[11:53] <Tugg> everything just work right
[11:53] <Tugg> lol
[11:53] <Pizbit> Corvus: 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' should suffice.
[11:53] <eyequeue> djp:  if you "need" it now, that can be arranged, but usually you don't
[11:53] <Tugg> kde 3.4 is sweet
[11:53] <sihen> Pizbit,  check how weird this is
[11:53] <sihen> sihen@Enigma:~/.xmms/Skins$ ls
[11:53] <sihen> balance.bmp   eq_ex.bmp   main.bmp      nums_ex.bmp   plEdit.bmp  posBar.bmp   text.bmp      viscolor.txt
[11:53] <sihen> cButtons.bmp  eqMain.bmp  monoSter.bmp  playPaus.bmp  plEdit.txt  shufRep.bmp  titlebar.bmp  volume.bmp
[11:53] <Pizbit> No need to change the permissions on the file at all
[11:53] <sihen> but my xmms finds no skins
[11:54] <CoRzA> nis, it says no such file or directory
[11:54] <Pizbit> sihen: Copy the skin directory into there, not the files
[11:54] <nis> djp: I think the locate db is what allows 'which' to do it's job.
[11:54] <Tugg> now they just need and xfceubuntu
[11:54] <sihen> Pizbit, its a tar.gz?
[11:54] <crimsun> sihen: you need to create a directory, then move all those files into the directory
[11:54] <Pizbit> sihen: Unpack it first
[11:54] <nis> CoRzA: may be a case change.  Xorg.conf or whatever.
[11:54] <deFrysk> no need to unpack xmms-skins
[11:54] <crimsun> sihen: e.g., ~/.xmms/Skins/foo/
[11:54] <djp> nis: thank you.
[11:54] <deFrysk> ?
[11:54] <Pizbit> blah.tar.gz turns into blah/ usually, so put blah/ into ~/.xmms/Skins/
[11:54] <CoRzA> nis: oh wait i typed it in wrong
[11:55] <crimsun> sihen: you can also just place the .tar.gz in ~/.xmms/Skins/
[11:55] <nis> djp: and 'which' in turn says where files you have permission to execute .. are.
[11:55] <CoRzA> says -rw-r--r--
[11:55] <nis> CoRzA: good.
[11:55] <deFrysk> also winamp skins work fine in xmms actually
[11:55] <Tugg> wow 3 am
[11:55] <djp> eyequeue: so the database basically builds itself over a perioud of time, is that right?
[11:55] <Tugg> I should go to bed
[11:55] <tom_neo> deFrysk: must work fine as they have the same format
[11:55] <nis> CoRzA: that means root (the USER in chmod u+w) can write to that file.
[11:55] <Pizbit> djp: A cron job updates it daily I believe.
[11:55] <deFrysk> tom_neo, yup
[11:55] <djp> nis: cheers
[11:56] <CoRzA> nis, ah ok soooo how do I the root user write to that file?
[11:56] <tom_neo> hey ppl. how long did it last for the ubuntu cds to arrive? i orded some on their website
[11:56] <sihen> thanx guys
[11:56] <nis> djp: 'which grep' would report /usr/bin/grep, for example.  or maybe /usr/grep
[11:56] <Tugg> you want to know the BEST thing about ubuntu....
[11:56] <nis> oops /bin/grep
[11:56] <deFrysk> tom_neo, watry took a month or 2 after rel. for me
[11:56] <Tugg> the community
[11:56] <deFrysk> warty
[11:56] <tom_neo> mhhkay
[11:56] <Tugg> hands down the best linux community
[11:56] <sihen> its working :)
[11:57] <tom_neo> just thinking about downloading it or waiting ;P
[11:57] <eyequeue> djp:  no, there's a series of commands called 'cron.daily' that includes the command to (re)generate the database
[11:57] <nis> CoRzA: by proper use of your text editor.  gedit is a GUI-based text editor right? file->save probably
[11:57] <deFrysk> Tugg, together with Gentoo community wise
[11:57] <CoRzA> nis, i cant type anything...
[11:57] <Pizbit> CoRzA: How did you open the file?
[11:57] <Tugg> i cant stand the gentoo people, way to many elitist
[11:57] <CoRzA> pizbit, double click??
[11:57] <nis> djp: cd /etc/cron.daily (or similar) maybe /etc/cron.d/cron.daily or even /etc/cron.daily (a file)
[11:58] <Pizbit> Just gedit and the open it? You need to use: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <Tugg> alot of them have a big head because they compile everything
[11:58] <nis> CoRzA: what text editor do u use habitually?
[11:58] <CoRzA> nis, this is my first day on it hehe
[11:58] <samatman> ok, how do you run a .deb package again?
[11:58] <Pizbit> CoRzA: You can't just double click on the file in nautilus
[11:58] <Tugg> the documentation is amazing though
[11:58] <crimsun> samatman: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:58] <eyequeue> djp:  do the same for someone else when it's your turn :)
[11:58] <samatman> danke
[11:58] <crimsun> bitte
[11:58] <nis> CoRzA: Pizbit is saying lots of germaine stuph here. Be sure not to skip his comments okay?
[11:59] <nis> (hers/its) ;)
[11:59] <Pizbit> His:)
[11:59] <nis> rgr thankx
[11:59] <CoRzA> pizbit, umm what do i do then??
[11:59] <Pizbit> Corvus: Open a terminal and type that in.
[11:59] <marcin_ant>  alfred
[11:59] <Tugg> with gentoo if you ask a question you get "RTFM" I have never had an Ubuntu'er day that to me
[11:59] <djp> eyequeue: will do, when i am confident enough to answer without giving them the wrong advice! :)
[11:59] <Pizbit> Tugg: RTFM:P :)
[11:59] <Tugg> lol
[12:00] <nis> samatman: dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:00] <samatman> 3 am...this used to be ealry evening for me
[12:00] <Pizbit> djp: Pffft, just do what I do, start telling them what to do even if you havn't the foggiest idea how to solve their problem and you usually figure out how by the time you've managed to get them to do the first thing you told them to do:)
[12:00] <Tugg> Ok, let me rephrase... I had one jerk say it to me once...
[12:00] <CoRzA> pizbit, was that to me?? how do i type it in?
[12:00] <djp> Pizbit: lol
[12:01] <nis> Tugg: it's the blonde in HumanCircle influencing Us All. ;)
[12:01] <samatman> rtfm?
[12:01] <Tugg> lmao
[12:01] <Pizbit> Corvus: Open a terminal, or simply: ALT+F2, type in gnome-terminal , then type in that text
[12:01] <nis> samatman: 'read the fine manual' (a chide or rebuke)
[12:01] <samatman> oh
[12:01] <CoRzA> nis, how do i edit the file??
[12:01] <Tugg> yeah, I liked the nekid wallpapers of her
[12:01] <nis> CoRzA: Pizbit is telling u.
[12:01] <Pizbit> People ignoring me half the time aren't worth my time.
[12:01] <Tugg> very tastefull
[12:01] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i'm not corvus...
[12:02] <nis> ;)
[12:02] <Pizbit> CoRzA: So my nick completion was off, sue me:P
[12:02] <CoRzA> i asked u if u were talking to me lol and u didnt answer :P
[12:02] <nis> hey! the blonde doesn't speak to impertinents! ;)
[12:03] <nis> wow we got a real dumping of snow. (torrington CT)
[12:03] <CoRzA> Pizbit, so i type in.. ??
[12:03] <CoRzA> Pizbit: lol
[12:03] <HomerJSimpson> I dont know how to get mp3's to work in Ubuntu. Please assist!
[12:03] <Pizbit> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:03] <Pizbit> Then enter your userpass.
[12:04] <deFrysk> HomerJSimpson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <dwa_> HomerJSimpson : have you tried the forums?
[12:04] <Tugg> nis, send some of that snow this way (Washington)
[12:04] <CoRzA> AH HUH!! now we're getting somewhere
[12:04] <nis> HomerJSimpson: xmms
[12:04] <Tugg> we need all the h2o we can get
[12:04] <CoRzA> so i just change it from 72 to something like 90
[12:04] <Pizbit> HomerJSimpson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <nis> Tugg: why u need the water? ;)
[12:04] <HomerJSimpson> Someone helped me the other night to get to a site to download the necessary files, but I have not been able to get them. The site does not seem to work.
[12:04] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Change the numbers to what your monitor supports.
[12:05] <nis> Tugg: that sux
[12:05] <Pizbit> HomerJSimpson: That page has all the information you need.
[12:05] <HomerJSimpson> Thanks I will look
[12:05] <gilles> how to make real player work with firefox ? (i installed it in /opt/RealPlayer)
[12:05] <CoRzA> Pizbit, save it?
[12:05] <nis> CoRzA: change it from 72 to 90. test. increment slowly towards 120.
[12:05] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Yeah, just hit save
[12:05] <Tugg> cause washington has gotten like maybe 1/60th of our annual rain this year
[12:06] <eyequeue> gilles:  i believe ubuntuguide explained that one
[12:06] <Tugg> and it didnt snow very much
[12:06] <CoRzA> its saved..
[12:06] <Tugg> with lead to no water
[12:06] <CoRzA> now i should be able to change it?
[12:06] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Now reload your X server
[12:06] <CoRzA> which is basically... loggin out and back in?
[12:06] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Simplest way is to logout, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:06] <Tugg> drought... which sucks for power because we supply hydro electric to half the country
[12:06] <nis> Tugg: WA or DC?
[12:06] <CoRzA> aight cool
[12:06] <keffo> Tugg, hows weather then in washington? celcius etc..
[12:06] <keffo> ;
[12:06] <keffo> ;P
[12:07] <gilles> eyequeue: i found nothing about that
[12:07] <Tugg> the real WA
[12:07] <HomerJSimpson> I have another problem. I cannot get my modem to work. I was told that it would not. I have looked for patches but did not get any joy. It is a HSF modem. I want to purchase a new external modem that will work. I have asked some of the shops here and the people dont seem to know what will work with linix. Please suggest a modem.
[12:07] <Tugg> Its in the 50s (f)
[12:07] <eyequeue> gilles:  sorry, i thought that's where i saw it.  might be the wiki, but i'm unsure
[12:07] <nis> Tugg: Home of USGS cascade range unit ;)
[12:07] <Tugg> blue skies
[12:07] <Pizbit> HomerJSimpson: Around 99% of the serial/ethernet modems will work fine with linux.
[12:08] <onno> If you want to set language via command line how: dpkg ...
[12:08] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  if it's external, it will
[12:08] <nis> HomerJSimpson: US Robotics kinda bulletproof
[12:08] <srid> I have OO.org-2beta installed.  But installing kubuntu-desktop is downloading OO.org-1.1.3. Why? Can I avoid that?
[12:09] <Tugg> srid, no
[12:09] <nis> I believe USR got their start with ham slowscan tv
[12:09] <Tugg> that is the KDE oo files
[12:09] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  avoid anything that says "winmodem" for what is probably obvious reasons
[12:09] <deFrysk> srid, kubuntu = a metapack
[12:09] <nis> yeah winmodems have soft v42 and above
[12:09] <nis> instead of a chip!
[12:09] <HomerJSimpson> What about USB modems?
[12:09] <srid> deFrysk, yes, it is difficult to install otherwise :(
[12:10] <deFrysk> uyo can remove not wanted packs later srid
[12:10] <nis> HomerJSimpson: is there another choice? (I do not know myself)
[12:10] <Tugg> how is oo 2.0 beta?
[12:10] <Pizbit> Tugg: A great improvement.
[12:10] <Nermal> any mono 1.0.6 packages available in hoary yet ?
[12:10] <CoRzA> ok backkK!!
[12:10] <srid> deFrysk, the problem is I have 64kbps internet ..so downloading huge packs is worrying
[12:10] <deFrysk> also kubuntu-desktop will go then but that not a big deal
[12:10] <Tugg> anything worth upgrading?
[12:10] <nis> CoRzA: and?
[12:10] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i dont know if it done anything it still wont let me change it from 60hz :S
[12:10] <HomerJSimpson> nis: Serial modems and USB modems?
[12:10] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:11] <nis> HomerJSimpson: I come from rs232 days.
[12:11] <deFrysk> srid then install the packages you want seperatly and dont install kubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  i've never worked with them, but i have seen drivers for them in the kernel tree.  best to check a specific model number and "+linux" in google to see if there is a driver before you buy
[12:11] <Pizbit> CoRzA: Did you change both horiz and vert? *shrug*
[12:11] <CoRzA> sure did
[12:11] <HomerJSimpson> Thanks eyequeue
[12:11] <Pizbit> Tugg: Definitaly! Although I'd probably wait until 2.0 final
[12:11] <eyequeue> HomerJSimpson:  if it plugs into your old db9 serial port, you're good
[12:12] <Tugg> hehe, my windows key launchs a terminal!!
[12:12] <nis> eyequeue: db-25 ;)
[12:12] <CoRzA> sorry :S lol i accidentally exited
[12:12] <nis> (female)
[12:12] <kbitty> im restarting
[12:12] <Tugg> take that M$
[12:12] <nis> db-25 male is us. paral. port
[12:12] <eyequeue> nis:  i was waiting for that, heh, and figured it would come from you even
[12:12] <nis>  /rimshot
[12:12] <Nermal> people using sodding msn smilies on irc
[12:13] <CoRzA> hey??
[12:13] <Pizbit> Nermal: Do you mean the (female) bit?
[12:13] <srid> deFrysk, I think there should be a kubuntu-desktop-minimal meta package :)
[12:13] <Nermal> so no mono 1.0.6 debs yet ?
[12:13] <Nermal> Pizbit: obviously not
[12:13] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i'm back.. sorryyyyyyyyyy
[12:13] <nis> CoRzA: >>hey??<< we dont know how to answer that question.  stop asking it. ;)
[12:13] <deFrysk> srid hehe
[12:13] <hayden> how can i remove gnome once i've installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <CoRzA> nis, lol!!
[12:14] <nis>  /stolen gag
[12:14] <Nermal> god.. n00b galore
[12:14] <samatman> does ncurses have to be compiled in the /usr/src directory?
[12:14] <Tugg> why remove gnome?
[12:14] <Nermal> samatman: nope
[12:14] <Pizbit> samatman: Nope, and why would you need to compile ncurses anyway?
[12:14] <Tugg> (you could just install Kubuntu)
[12:14] <hayden> because i have kde
[12:14] <eyequeue> samatman:  no, but you may want to sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[12:15] <CoRzA> Pizbit, i'm back sorry i accidentally closed it before
[12:15] <eyequeue> samatman:  you're looking to make menuconfig, right?
[12:15] <Nermal> CoRzA: we know you are.. for the 3rd time
[12:15] <Tugg> if you want a KDE based ubuntu DL the Kubuntu disk and do a fresh install
[12:15] <hayden> or, i could install kubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <CoRzA> nermal, settlee dude
[12:15] <samatman> for my *other* wireless device, it worked last time. once it finised it created some sort of config file in the linux source dir, which this other dirver (not hte one i was working on before) needed to compile properly
[12:15] <Tugg> you will probably run into less problems then trying to unistall gnome
[12:16] <samatman> i'm not sure if i want make menuconfig
[12:16] <Pizbit> hayden: Why not just forget gnome is there?:)
[12:16] <Nermal> seems to be neccessary these days since the n00bs arrived
[12:16] <Tugg> gnome-desktop has alot of dependencies
[12:16] <samatman> all i know is ncruses started, i immediately qwuit and then everyting was better
[12:16] <jdub> Nermal: dude, lighten up please. enough.
[12:16] <nis> samatman: you can often mkdir ~/src and unpack/build to there.
[12:16] <Nermal> jdub: you use beagle ?
[12:16] <Mitario> does anyone have problems with a segfaulting openoffice?
[12:16] <Mitario> on hoary
[12:16] <eyequeue> samatman:  99% of the time someone working in the kernel tree mentions ncurses, they want libncurses5-dev :)
[12:16] <jdub> Nermal: no, we don't have mono 1.0.6, we're looking into the problem.
[12:16] <samatman> oh, i'm doin git on my desktop...is that undesireable?
[12:16] <Pizbit> Mitario: OOo2?
[12:16] <Mitario> Pizbit, no
[12:16] <Nermal> jdub: rightho
[12:17] <samatman> i have no idea, but i know what worked last time and nothing more
[12:17] <samatman> so...
[12:17] <Nermal> jdub: I'm old and bitter :|
[12:17] <nis> samatman: /usr/src is fine but it's usl. owned by root.
[12:17] <jdub> Nermal: it's inappropriate and unwanted in here. you can simply think it and not type it.
[12:17] <Nermal> ook
[12:17] <samatman> well...its' on my desktop now, i just finised 'make'
[12:17] <samatman> should i move it?
[12:17] <samatman> before make install?
[12:17] <Pizbit> Nah
[12:17] <Pizbit> sudo make install :)
[12:17] <Nermal> normally I'm quite helpful :|
[12:17] <samatman> not cute?
[12:17] <Tugg> sudo checkinstall!!
[12:18] <Tugg> wait does ubuntu have checkinstall?
[12:18] <samatman> i'll move it
[12:18] <Tugg> or is that RPM only?
[12:18] <Nermal> samatman: don't install ncurses from source, simply install libncurses5-dev
[12:18] <samatman> to be save
[12:18] <Pizbit> Tugg: It does.
[12:18] <samatman> how do i run it then
[12:18] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its not difficult to umm.. request for a particular live cd iso? [customized that is] 
[12:18] <Tugg> sweet
[12:18] <Tugg> I love checkinstall
[12:18] <CoRzA> nis, umm it sorta hasnt changed anything i cant change it from 60hz
[12:18] <Tugg> roll your own package
[12:18] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:19] <nis> black_Nightmare: that used to cost 30 bux. ;)
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> nis...and?
[12:19] <Tugg> then you can uninstall using dpkg
[12:19] <nis> CoRzA: control  alt +    or control alt -
[12:19] <Nermal> black_Nightmare: I presume you mount the livecd iso as loopback, modify it, and then dd the dir out into a new iso file
[12:19] <CoRzA> nis, ok um my screen is weird.....
[12:19] <nis> black_Nightmare: that was for a custom burn of the standard debian tree.
[12:19] <Nermal> I did a similar thing when I worked for SUSE for a customised livecd for PC World
[12:19] <samatman> if i install libncruses5, how do i run it?
[12:19] <nis> CoRzA: smaller right?
[12:20] <CoRzA> no larger
[12:20] <Nermal> samatman: its not an executable, it's a library
[12:20] <Tugg> black_Nightmare, there are live cd build scripts you can use
[12:20] <samatman> ok, what i had brought up a text menu in the console,
[12:20] <Nermal> simply (for the 3d time) install libncurses5-dev
[12:20] <samatman> last time
[12:20] <nis> CoRzA:  any chance u could /nick corza
[12:20] <eyequeue> samatman:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[12:20] <jdub> black_Nightmare: see the custom livecd howto on the wiki
[12:20] <Nermal> you want to install the kernel sources, cd into /usr/src/linux and do make menuconfig
[12:20] <black_Nightmare> hm ty anyhow
[12:21] <samatman> and taht will give me taht text menu?  sort of psudeo gui?
[12:21] <nis> plows still roaring outside.
[12:21] <CoRzA> nis what is that do i do?? yeah i could
[12:21] <black_Nightmare> I was curious about a custom live cd for to work someone's laptop from with...especially to its particular hardwares being fully supported without doing any apt-get :p
[12:21] <Nermal> that will give you the kernel config screen
[12:21] <eyequeue> samatman:  right
[12:21] <CoRzA> nis: um i dont have half of my screen now
[12:21] <samatman> ok
[12:21] <samatman> those libs are on the cd?
[12:21] <Nermal> though if you're at the level where you think libnurses is an executable, I'd advise against rolling your own kernel
[12:21] <nis> CoRzA: not a problem. iterate that keypress again and again. slowly.
[12:21] <eyequeue> samatman:  you navagate with arrows and enter, right>?
[12:21] <samatman> yeah
[12:21] <Tugg> black_Nightmare, the new ubuntu hoary live cds work on everything I have gotten to try them on
[12:21] <eyequeue> samatman:  right
[12:21] <CoRzA> whats iterate??
[12:22] <oDysseas> I just installed ubuntu and I'm trying to connect to the internet through a modem. The "make new connection" wizard detects my modem ok but when I click to activate the connection it doesn't even start dialing
[12:22] <Kamion> CoRzA: "repeat"
[12:22] <samatman> ok, synaptic claims libncurses is installed but make menu config failed
[12:22] <samatman> *sigh*
[12:22] <CoRzA> god it just went all fuzzy
[12:22] <black_Nightmare> hmmm tugg...ok..and wireless cards?
[12:22] <CoRzA> that wasnt a good sign :S
[12:22] <eyequeue> samatman:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev   <---- -dev
[12:22] <Kamion> samatman: libncurses5-dev isn't on the CD, no
[12:22] <Nermal> this is worse than suse tech support
[12:22] <Tugg> mine (linksys) works out of the box
[12:22] <Tugg> the Dlinks do too
[12:23] <nis> CoRzA: when it does that iterate it AGAIN.  You're stepping thru various vid modes.
[12:23] <CoRzA> so i should do it once more?
[12:23] <samatman> cant find that package
[12:23] <CoRzA> ohhhhhhh
[12:23] <nis> CoRzA: yea.
[12:23] <CoRzA> lol i was scared too
[12:23] <CoRzA> should i go more?
[12:23] <Tugg> intel centrino wireless works too
[12:23] <nis> CoRzA: it wraps around to the first mode when it finds the last mode.
[12:24] <oDysseas> is there anyway to dowload gnome-ppp from windows and install it to ubuntu?
[12:24] <Tugg> I carry my ubuntu life disks in my pocket
[12:24] <oDysseas> a deb package or something
[12:24] <samatman> cant find that package
[12:24] <samatman> oh, i said that arleady
[12:24] <Tugg> live
[12:24] <nis> Tugg: I put the diskette image as a ramdisk in yaboot.conf ;)
[12:24] <eyequeue> oDysseas:  if you have the deb, dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:24] <samatman> so...when building ncurses should i not do it on my desktop, or does it matter?
[12:24] <Tugg> I put it into any computer I need to use
[12:25] <Tugg> cause I cant stand working in windows
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> ok ty tugg....I guess I'll have to try make a hoary preview livecd as well (next to the installer cd) and ... try it on that laptop over there :p
[12:25] <nis> initrd
[12:25] <CoRzA> it seems slighly the same..
[12:25] <oDysseas> eyequeue where can I find .deb packages?
[12:25] <Tugg> gl luck black_Nightmare
[12:25] <nis> CoRzA: can u do the nick thing pls
[12:25] <CoRzA> what hz is it going up in each time i do it?
[12:25] <CoRzA> what do i do to do it??
[12:25] <CoRzA> do i type /nick nis?
[12:26] <eyequeue> oDysseas:  archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool for one place
[12:26] <Tugg> ok, I have pretended to help people for long enough tonight
[12:26] <nis> CoRzA: /nick corza
[12:26] <corza> oh ok
[12:26] <oDysseas> ok than eyequeue
[12:26] <nis> corza: yes. thanks.
[12:26] <Mitario> hmm, anyone has an idea:?
[12:26] <oDysseas> *thanx
[12:26] <nis> Tugg: gnite
[12:26] <Mitario> libGL error: open DRM failed (Bewerking niet toegestaan)
[12:26] <Mitario> libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
[12:26] <Mitario> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice: line 241: 25383 Segmentatie fout        "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"
[12:26] <corza> no prob
[12:26] <Tugg> Good night All
[12:26] <nis> corza: well now try xvidtune to do the same thing.
[12:26] <corza> ok
[12:27] <nis> corza: it will also step thru vid modes. but this time it gives metrics.
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> tuggs... its a toshbi salliete and for strange reason I can't figure what model it is at all but anyhow..its dvdrom, tv/out integrated, and the usual stuffs
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> not sure what ram it had now..I'm sure it was like 196MB or a bit higher
[12:27] <corza> um it says warning...
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> 400mhz cpu
[12:27] <corza> and i dont know if i should press ok lol
[12:28] <nis> corza: yeah and for good reason. u can fry the CRT easily.
[12:28] <tomcat> hey y'all, am on my 1st ubuntu and linux install... got things working and am able to see my windows workgroup, but can't connect to any of the computers on it... any advice?
[12:28] <corza> will it fry mine?
[12:28] <nis> corza: yes it will.
[12:28] <corza> then why am i pressing ok?
[12:28] <nis> corza: you are not.
[12:28] <corza> o.k..??
[12:28] <corza> nis: what am i doing?
[12:28] <nis> corza: drag the okay window a bit to one side.
[12:29] <nis> corza: use the titlebar to do so.
[12:29] <corza> the 'okay' window?
[12:29] <nis> corza: the okay window obscures the main interface to xvidtune.
[12:29] <nis> corza: that is INTENTIONAL.
[12:29] <corza> ah ok
[12:29] <nis> corza: they knew this day would come. ;)
[12:30] <corza> yep now what?
[12:30] <black_Nightmare> tuggs think that laptop should be able to run a livecd okay? ;)(
[12:30] <nis> corza: until you press that OK you cannot fry the CRT.
[12:30] <corza> ok i didnt actually do anything coz i dont know what an okay window is lol
[12:30] <nis> corza: and it will fry.  it really will. fire extinguisher time and such.
[12:31] <SoRcEtTa> hi dear all!
[12:31] <Mitario> anybody happens to know in what package X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h is located?
[12:31] <nis> hi SoRcEtTa
[12:31] <corza> nis: OH I GOT IT THE okay window..
[12:31] <nis> Mitario: maybe the X11 headers.
[12:31] <corza> nis: lol ok its to the side what do i do?
[12:31] <SoRcEtTa> Mitario: dpkg -S ...
[12:32] <nis> corza: that obscuring window pops up on top of the main xvidtune interface, each and every time you start it.  you can quit xvidtune from the popup. the one obsuring the danger will robinson section.
[12:32] <nis> corza: just study it.
[12:33] <corza> nis: okay...?
[12:33] <corza> nis: vertical sync says 60 still
[12:33] <nis> corza: take your time and absorb what's there.  it's all your vid timings.  this is the core of your 60Hz limitation.
[12:34] <corza> nis: uh-huh :S
[12:34] <Seveas> Mitario, probably in xlib-dev
[12:34] <Seveas> (oslt)
[12:34] <nis> corza: you can take a common table fan and set it in front of the display. view the display thru the spinning fan blades.
[12:34] <nis> corza: you will be able to see the refresh rate directly.
[12:35] <corza> nis: i dont have a table fan
[12:35] <Seveas> libx11-dev / xlibs-dev
[12:35] <nis> corza: I can see 60hz refresh without the fan. ;)
[12:35] <corza> nis: oh how true lol
[12:35] <nis> corza: averted vision usually.
[12:35] <corza> nis: ok so what actually am i doing
[12:36] <nis> corza: however, the main thing here is to quit xvidtune, go into one of those other vid modes we saw, and examine xvidtune again.
[12:36] <corza> 'other?'
[12:36] <nis> corza: so.  1. quit xvidtune.  2. ctrl alt +   3. xvidtune (and iterate -- repeat -- the sequence 1. 2. 3.)
[12:37] <nis> during 3 you study the report xvidtune gives in its window.
[12:37] <nis> eventually you train your mind to look for the relevant parameter, such as the vert refresh which is stuck at 60 hz.
[12:38] <corza> it's not letting me go back ...
[12:38] <nis> vid mode wont' change?
[12:38] <corza> no
[12:39] <nis> try ctrl alt minus not plus then.  I don't recall (I use LCD here and xvidtune no longer works in my environment)
[12:39] <corza> yeah i tried both
[12:39] <nis> well someone else told u how to relaunch X11. do that.
[12:39] <nis> ctrl alt backspace mabye
[12:40] <nis> or u didn't quit xvidtune (the window I said to drag off to one side quits it)
[12:40] <nis> bb in 2 min
[12:42] <samatman> if i'm root how can a 'make config' deny me permission/
[12:42] <samatman> ?
[12:42] <nis> samatman: su - root
[12:42] <samatman> did taht 3 times
[12:42] <nis> login shell needed.
[12:43] <samatman> i didd that starting in a root terminal
[12:43] <nis> well root can do everything.
[12:43] <samatman> well, it's not doing this
[12:43] <nis> um write permission? read permission?
[12:43] <samatman> write i suppose, i'm just trying to run a configure script
[12:43] <nis> chmod 0 foo will disallow even root to do anything except chmod <not 0> foo.
[12:43] <nis> dot.
[12:44] <samatman> foo being the script?
[12:44] <samatman> dot 0?
[12:44] <nis> ./foo    rather than    foo
[12:44] <samatman> oh
[12:44] <samatman> ok
[12:44] <nis> the dot and leading slash identifies this current directory (the dot) and I forget why the slash is needed. ;)
[12:44] <samatman> that worked
[12:44] <nis>  ./configure    not    configure
[12:45] <nis> in old days the   dot was always in your $PATH but they rescinded that.
[12:45] <Seveas> nis, ./ identifies current directory as a path :)
[12:45] <nis> Seveas: ;)
[12:45] <Seveas> the / separates the directory '.' from the file 'configure'
[12:45] <Seveas> and . is not in $PATH because it is quite dangerous
[12:46] <nis> Seveas: it doesn't make sense to me tho.  should be ../thisdir/configure
[12:46] <nis> right.
[12:46] <nis> separates .configure from ./configure
[12:46] <Seveas> nis ./configure and ../thisdir/configure are the same
[12:46] <nis> .configure is a hidden file in currdir
[12:46] <Seveas> no
[12:46] <Seveas> well, yes if it exists :)
[12:46] <phanter> hey how do i install realplayer on ubuntu
[12:46] <nis> ;)
[12:46] <Seveas> but a configure script is usually called 'configure'
[12:47] <nis> I know.
[12:47] <samatman> ok...might i need kernel headers to compile a driver?
[12:47] <Seveas> samatman, yes
[12:47] <nis> It's just I couldn't figure why  the slash was there. its obvious tho.
[12:47] <samatman> and can i apt-get them?
[12:47] <CoRzA> nis, i'm back
[12:47] <CoRzA> since i couldnt get out of fullscreen terminal i had to restart my computer
[12:47] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`-686 (or k7, or mac etc...)
[12:47] <nis> CoRzA: with your MiXeD CaSE NICk.
[12:48] <nis> corza: thanks. ;)
[12:48] <Seveas> CorZa, you exit a terminal with <ctrl> D
[12:48] <corza> nis, no prob lol u sent me to restart my computer.. i didnt know how to get out of fullscreen terminal oh ok
[12:49] <corza> seveas thanks
[12:49] <phanter> did anybody install ubuntu on hoary?
[12:49] <phanter> whatever, I ment, realplayer in hoary
[12:49] <nis> samatman: kernel headers very good for compiling modules.  there's something else wanted, but it could be optional.  A way to compile against a kernel source without having the entire kernel source tree and doing a 'make dep' -- an alternate to doing that.
[12:49] <Seveas> if you went to a virtual console with <ctrl><alt><F1> (oslt> you go back to X with <alt><F7>
[12:49] <corza> nis, ok now.. argh i dont know if its worth bothering..
[12:49] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if a disk drive is not needed if I know that the cdrom doesn't have any problem booting cdr os?
[12:49] <corza> wait!!
[12:49] <nis> corza: it's worth bothering for but it's kinda hard to do interactively at ur skill lvl.
[12:49] <corza> it let me change it!!
[12:49] <corza> :D
[12:49] <corza> :D:D::D
[12:50] <corza> uh huh uh huh!
[12:50] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, you do not need a diskdrive for running a livecd if that's what you mean
[12:50] <samatman> i was hoping including 'uname -r' would run uname and use the output from that in the apt-get
[12:50] <corza> nis, if u didnt get the guist then i got it :0
[12:50] <corza> :)
[12:51] <nis> Seveas: control D!  that's two tricks.  owe u a beer.
[12:51] <samatman> ok, the headers didn't help
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> seveas...actually to install it :p
[12:51] <samatman> make still fails
[12:51] <Seveas> samatman, you need to use `` instead of ''
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> I'm going try in an open setup for now (till I can locate ram and maybe a better case)
[12:51] <samatman> tilda key?
[12:51] <corza> nis, onto my second chore.. need to get my 5 mouse buttons working
[12:51] <Gladiak> hi boys...it's pretty secure dist-upgrade warty to hoary ?
[12:51] <Seveas> samatman, yes, that one, they're called backticks
[12:51] <nis> samatman: did u get the virt package installed build-essential or similar?
[12:51] <samatman> good to know
[12:51] <nis> corza: oof.
[12:52] <samatman> i think so
[12:52] <Seveas> Gladiak, yes
[12:52] <Gladiak> ok tnx :)
[12:52] <samatman> yeah, did build essentials
[12:52] <black_Nightmare> seveas..so you recoken I wouldn't need the disk drive if I know the cdrom can boot cdr's itself?
[12:52] <samatman> so..why isn't this dirver compiling?
[12:52] <nis> corza: I need a refresher of the overview of what brought you here.  What was main issue?
[12:52] <Seveas> if you want to install it, you need a hard disk
[12:52] <corza> nis, its mainly just the back forward and middle button
[12:53] <Seveas> samatman, can you paste the output of make on pastebin.com
[12:53] <black_Nightmare> seveas...I knew that..just asking if need a disk drive or not lol
[12:53] <samatman> um...no but i can do my best to copy it accureatly by hand
[12:53] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, disk drive as in floppy??
[12:53] <Seveas> they are soooo obsolete :)
[12:53] <nis> corza: no the 60 hz problem. btw there's an easy way to map the keyboard to mouse buttons in /etc/sysctl.conf.
[12:54] <nis> corza: well on powerpc anyway, there is. ;)
[12:54] <samatman> wait....:  config.mk: no such file or directory...is this fixable?
[12:54] <phanter> hey, today I updated my system, but now firefox is not working anymore ?!?
[12:54] <Seveas> hmmz, lloks like a problem with configure
[12:54] <Seveas> have you run ./configure yet?
[12:54] <Seveas> phanter, define "not working"
[12:54] <corza> nis, umm no i fixed the 60hz problem i'm at 85hz now :)
[12:54] <samatman> yeah...all it does is ask for my linux source directory
[12:55] <samatman> so i type it in, should i not give it the symbolic link /usr/src/linux?
[12:55] <nis> samatman: important: good idea to erase the dir and re-unpack it each time a goof happens like a failed ./configure step.  cruft builds up.
[12:55] <Seveas> good one, nis :)
[12:55] <phanter> anybody updated firfox taday and does not have a problem?
[12:55] <nis> corza: does the display function well for u now at 85 hz? correct resolution etc?
[12:55] <corza> nis: its fine :)
[12:55] <Seveas> phanter, i dist-upgraded an hour ago, everything works fine
[12:55] <corza> nis: just giong to try and fix my mouse buttons
[12:56] <nis> Seveas: ;)
[12:56] <Seveas> corza, that requires some Xorg.conf hacking :)
[12:56] <nis> corza: good! mouse not too bad.
[12:56] <phanter> I get xml errors for every window it tries to open. Cannot even edit the settings
[12:56] <Seveas> good lick
[12:56] <nis> corza: lemee see.
[12:56] <Seveas> phanter, try apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[12:57] <corza> nis, k k
[12:57] <samatman> ok
[12:57] <samatman> i'll post to whatever that was
[12:58] <samatman> should i interpret:  SUBDIRS=$PWD modules   exactly literally?
[12:59] <Echylo> is beagle available for ubuntu?
[12:59] <Echylo> cause I've read that it is for suse
[12:59] <Echylo> so ubuntu should be up to date no?
[12:59] <phanter> xml parsing erroke that did the trick.... thanks
[01:00] <nis> corza: briefly, you 'Emulate3Buttons' (true) and also 'ZAxisMapping' (4 5).  That's XFree tho.
[01:00] <ctr> fly
[01:00] <Seveas> Echylo, no, they're working on it for Breezy
[01:00] <Echylo> ok
[01:00] <corza> nis, where is this in?
[01:00] <ctr> looks like I might be allowed to install ubuntu on my work machine
[01:00] <nis> corza: that should .. um .. give u at least one more mouse button than u have now. ;)
[01:00] <Seveas> corza: you need to add Option "Buttons" "5" to the mouse section
[01:00] <PacoBCN> ctr, that's cool
[01:00] <nis> corza: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:00] <PacoBCN> ctr, I did the same
[01:00] <black_Nightmare> hm ok...got dvdrom+hd together on one ribbon and no problem getting psu plugged to
[01:01] <phanter> hmm well it did the trick partly. Some windows do work and other don't at the moment
[01:01] <ctr> PacoBCN: yeah, currently running a sys-admin maintained version of rh8
[01:01] <black_Nightmare> now..where's my tiny flathead screwdriver to shorten out the power pins.... hehehe
[01:01] <PacoBCN> ctr, especially because my working pc is my own laptop
[01:01] <ctr> Ahh, I have OSX on my main laptop :D
[01:01] <PacoBCN> ctr, you know, when you get fired you have 10 minutes to leave the office
[01:01] <PacoBCN> ctr, and I have too much music :)
[01:01] <nis> corza: the main thing is the test phase.  It's best (IMO) to stop the display manager (xdm, gdm) first, and use startx from the console to troubleshoot xorg.conf.
[01:02] <onno> ctr why osX and not ubuntu
[01:02] <ctr> (And a boot for ubuntu-ppc)
[01:02] <ctr> onno: because I have too much stuff I do in OSX that ubuntu doesn't do at all or as easily
[01:02] <onno> like
[01:02] <corza> nis: oook.. umm so instead of 4 5 i put true?
[01:02] <nis> ctr: I dual-boot the iMac here with yaboot
[01:03] <corza> nis: argh i forget how to gedit a file..
[01:03] <ctr> Xcode, iPod & music
[01:03] <nis> corza: depends.  first of all this is xorg not Xfree.  2nd I dunno if the mouse options are same in both.
[01:03] <ctr> Easily swithc network profiles, really good integration between calendar, address book and email client and my phone
[01:03] <ctr> iPhoto
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> Where I can find the REpos of Ubuntu ?
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> for Hoary
[01:03] <ctr> and iMovie :)
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> Official Repos
[01:03] <ctr> various things
[01:04] <nis> corza: third, u generally enclose with quotations in this part of xorg.conf/XF86Config-4.  I used my old XF86Config-4 with xorg here. ;)
[01:04] <eli> Help mounting network share: when I mount it I get the share name (share is on a windows machine) but can not see the contents the files in the share.
[01:04] <onkarshinde> St0n3-C0l: archive.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <samatman> why can't i save a goddam text file now?!
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> and how do i set http_proxy on bootup by which it automatically sets http_proxy on bootup
[01:04] <nis> corza: sudo
[01:05] <ctr> nis: yeah, I dual boot, I have ubuntu there to test my software
[01:05] <corza> nis: i'm in root
[01:05] <ctr> but I do all my devel on OSX
[01:05] <ctr> the killer in OSX is the network profiles
[01:05] <nis> corza: easier. there's an example xorg.conf in my gentoo. let me look there.
[01:05] <ctr> if that worked as easily on Linux I could use Linux more, but it doesnt
[01:05] <samatman> why can't i save a text file?
[01:06] <corza> nis, hey i found a site that i can use for the codes
[01:06] <AcidWolf> quick qurstion im on Hoary PPC would it be safe to say that performing an upgrade everyday with Apt is a good idea cause it seems there are new upgrades everyday??
[01:06] <owen_> has anyone here had problems dual booting with sata and pata hdds? or is it just me.. pls hlp
[01:06] <St0n3-C0l> Any help ??
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> one slight troubling question -- do I need a mointor to install hoary with or it could find the tv/out screen on its own?
[01:06] <Seveas> AcidWolf, yes that would be a good idea
[01:06] <ctr> St0n3-C0l: for all users ?
[01:06] <kiu> anyone installed koha on ubuntu??
[01:06] <AcidWolf> ty Seveas
[01:06] <AcidWolf> black_Nightmare no
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> on which file i put 'export http_proxy=http://blah:8080' by which it sets auttomatically on bootup
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> Yep
[01:07] <AcidWolf> it would be alot better to do so with monitor
[01:07] <corza> nis: how do u get into gedit to edit a file in terminal with root?
[01:07] <ctr> St0n3-C0l: /etc/profile should sort you out for that
[01:07] <Seveas> corza, sudo gedit
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> In RPM-based there' are /etc/profiles.d
[01:07] <corza> ah easy
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> ctr i did
[01:07] <corza> thanks dude
[01:07] <nis> corza: the terminal /launches/ gedit, a GUI editor
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> acid...I'm not so sure where mine mointor even is now..but then I have an aiw card sitting in the motherboard so wondering if I could just borrow the tv screen for now
[01:07] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, /etc/defaults
[01:07] <ctr> St0n3-C0l: no luck ?
[01:07] <ctr> ahh
[01:07] <ctr> thats it
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> so there (and btw...for irc..thats family's computer anyhow)
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> nop
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> ctr
[01:08] <ctr> sorry I don't currently have access to my ubuntu server
[01:08] <ctr> I was guessing
[01:08] <ctr> :(
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks Seveas
[01:08] <AcidWolf> black_Nightmare it all depends what release of ubuntu are you wanting to install
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> NP ctr :)
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> Atleast you tried
[01:08] <AcidWolf> hoary doesnt seem to like TV much cause of resolution
[01:08] <ctr> :)
[01:08] <kiu> has anyone installed koha on ubuntu???????????
[01:08] <AcidWolf> Xorg tends to crap intself
[01:08] <Gladiak> anyone use hoary on a laptop with radeon igp345m ?
[01:08] <PuGz> hey guys - how do i get the gnome mouse cursor as my cursor for gnome in hoary?
[01:09] <PuGz> (the cursor that debian uses in gnome)
[01:09] <black_Nightmare> acid...hmm I have the hoary preview iso already downloaded but I can download warty?
[01:09] <Vjaz> PuGz: Try installing gcursor maybe?
[01:09] <nis> I use an old EGA card with composite video to the vid input of my tv screen here to troubleshoot a server without a comp. display avbl. ;)
[01:09] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, sure
[01:09] <ctr> i use hoary with kubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <AcidWolf> PuGz open Configuration Editor and go to Appz Gnome session and look around in there
[01:09] <PuGz> Vjaz: cheers, maybe
[01:09] <PuGz> jokes
[01:09] <PuGz> cyas
[01:09] <black_Nightmare> nis..heh which ubuntu was that? :p
[01:10] <owen_> can anyone help me with my dual boot?
[01:10] <nis> black_Nightmare: I think it was called 'toto' ;)
[01:10] <Seveas> owen_, maybe, if you say wjat you need help with
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> black_Nightmare: KDE Ubuntu
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:10] <samatman> why does gedit save files as hidden?
[01:10] <nis> black_Nightmare: it's too much fun to see Linux on a tv set
[01:10] <AcidWolf> how is kde running on ubuntu now days
[01:11] <owen_> miing sata and pata drives, all i get is grub error 17
[01:11] <nis> samatman: it does?
[01:11] <black_Nightmare> so should I download this then seveas? http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[01:11] <samatman> i can' tsee the file in the browswer, but a search shows it's there
[01:11] <St0n3-C0l> AcidWolf: Kubuntu makes that possible :P
[01:11] <nis> samatman: refresh. change directories.
[01:12] <owen_> hoary on pata and win2k on sata, grub installs to hd0 and when reboots gets error 17
[01:12] <samatman> did that
[01:12] <smouche> at the moment AcidWolf, konqueror is constantly krashing, but other than that, kde with (k)ubuntu on my amd64 is sweet
[01:12] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, if you want warty: yes
[01:12] <samatman> went back and forth to 3 different locations, nothing
[01:12] <robl^> samatman: "hidden" in Linux depends on the file name.  any name that starts with a period (.) is hidden.  there is no hidden attribute
[01:12] <will> owen_ i think you have the wrong path in your menu.list for grub
[01:12] <black_Nightmare> seveas...hm so does it matter if its hoary or warty for tv/out or not really?
[01:12] <AcidWolf> ty smouche
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> Hoary is looking good
[01:12] <samatman> it was named "plop"  and it wouldn't show up
[01:12] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, i seriously have no idea, I never tried tv-out
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> much better than Warty :P
[01:12] <AcidWolf> anyone running hoary on PPC have the keyboard layout worked out yet
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> Except Firefox :>
[01:12] <black_Nightmare> ty anyhow
[01:12] <St0n3-C0l> it is lil buggy
[01:13] <black_Nightmare> guess I could try both cd
[01:13] <will> owen_ you need to boot of live cd and chroot into your dist. check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:13] <owen_> will: but this is after a fresh install
[01:13] <AcidWolf> cause mine is running real poopie
[01:13] <nis> samatman: scan carefully.  it's there.
[01:13] <owen_> k
[01:13] <will> owen_ humm
[01:13] <underlord> i just installed hoary preview on a new computer (2nd hand, but powerfull enough), i have a motorola sb4200 cable modem that has both an ethernet connector and a usb connector which i believe can operate symaltaniously
[01:13] <samatman> now i see it after a reboot, but i went back and forth to 3 directories in nautilus and there was nothing
[01:13] <ctr> damn
[01:13] <underlord> the new computers ethernet appears to be recognised by the kernel
[01:13] <black_Nightmare> say nis do you know if the video res is usually limited by the tv itself .. not by the tv/out?  or am I wrong :p
[01:13] <ctr> 5 minutes to download this cd iso
[01:13] <nis> samatman: nautilus huh. okay.
[01:13] <ctr> thats pretty damn fast
[01:13] <samatman> what should i use?
[01:13] <underlord> but i connect modem and reboot and ubuntu doesnt connect to net
[01:13] <smouche> Firefox is spastic these days!
[01:13] <underlord> any ideas why?
[01:13] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, it is limited by the TV standard
[01:14] <nis> black_Nightmare: ntsc is a single res; that should be true in composite I think.
[01:14] <robl^> samatman:
[01:14] <Seveas> that is just 500-something lines
[01:14] <owen_> hoary works fine from the sata on separate partition and with pata unplugged, but not when installed on the pata
[01:14] <Seveas> both PAL and SECAM
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> seveas..hmm that makes it a bit easier than said since family have this months-old (don't ask me why they got it LOL) large tv
[01:14] <black_Nightmare> maybe I can try the higher NSTC res on it
[01:14] <Seveas> maybe :)
[01:14] <robl^> samatman: that may be a nautlis bug.  the file isn't really hidden.. just that nautli needs to "re-read" the list of files in the directory
[01:14] <nis> samatman: nautilus is neat; but I'm unfamiliar with it.  I'm very much looking forward to transitioning over to it.
[01:15] <black_Nightmare> anyhow..brb trying find rest of cables to get the board plugged together....oh and relocate the thing to close to tv :p
[01:15] <samatman> last time i had to install this driver i did make menuconfig, then went to the driver and it went beautifully
[01:15] <nis> black_Nightmare: examine the CRT when it's on.  Look at the pixel sizes with a mag. glass ;)
[01:16] <nis> samatman: what's the base issue here?
[01:16] <owen_> will: could it be that grub is installing to the mbr of the pata and not the sata? (the error might be from a previous installation, ie grub not reinstalled to the right mbr)
[01:16] <samatman> different computer, different wireless driver
[01:16] <St0n3-C0l> nis: You'll be :P
[01:17] <samatman> an rt2500 based card
[01:17] <samatman> pic
[01:17] <samatman> pci
[01:17] <nis> samatman: is the module in /lib/modules/foo yet?
[01:17] <samatman> foo being my kernel version?
[01:18] <nis> samatman: I think it goes into /lib/modules/<foo>/misc/ or similar if it wasn't built by the 'make menuconfig' procedure.
[01:18] <samatman> what is foo?
[01:18] <nis> samatman: yes matches kernel revision.  that's how you get to have multiple kernel revisions on one system.  that's where it diifferentiates the modules.
[01:19] <samatman> i don't know what that should be on this system
[01:19] <samatman> ok
[01:19] <samatman> and i'm looking for what file?
[01:19] <nis> samatman: foo is a universal replaceable parameter; it  is shorthand for a variable, as in algebra variables.
[01:19] <samatman> moduels.pcimap?
[01:19] <nis> samatman: uname -r
[01:19] <samatman> right, i'm in that directory
[01:19] <samatman> /lib/modules/2.6.whateverthehell/
[01:20] <nis> samatman: if it's an external module it goes into misc I think.
[01:20] <corza> nis, did u end up finding anything?
[01:20] <samatman> i have nothing containting 'misc'
[01:20] <nis> samatman: for instance my hcfusb modules go in misc.
[01:20] <nis> corza: I'm burned out and snowed in and hungry.  I didn't look. ;)
[01:21] <corza> nis: lol
[01:21] <nis> ;)
[01:21] <nis> snow in march!
[01:21] <nis> good one too.
[01:22] <smouche> jesus, now konqueror is crashing when I'm not even actively using it.
[01:22] <corza> nis: i found something but i have to get imwheel
[01:22] <corza> nis: i found the .. .tar-1 file but i dont know what to do with it
[01:22] <samatman> i have boot, kernel, initrd as dirs, build is a symbolic link, modules.(alias, ccwmap, dep, ieee1394map, inputmap, isapnpmap, pcimap, symbols, usbmap)
[01:22] <nis> samatman: example of externally-built module installed path: /lib/modules/2.4.22-ben2-r7/misc/hcfusbserial.o
[01:23] <samatman> i have no misc
[01:23] <samatman> it hasn't been built yet
[01:23] <samatman> i can't compile it
[01:23] <smouche> nis, I just woke up to snow too --
[01:23] <nis> corza: make a directory in your home dir. change directory to it.  then unpack it to see what's in it.
[01:23] <nis> smouche: east coast?
[01:23] <iomicifikko> hi all
[01:23] <smouche> yep!
[01:24] <corza> nis, its not a .gz file
[01:24] <smouche> yes, nis, New York.  You?
[01:24] <Quarupt> wow
[01:25] <nis> samatman: build pts to the correct kernel tree for that set of modules.  probably humm /usr/src/kernelname
[01:25] <nis> smouche: torrington (Litchfield CTY in CT)
[01:25] <samatman> yes
[01:26] <invictus> how can I make rhythmbox play mp3 in hoary?
[01:26] <corza> nis?
[01:26] <nis> samatman: a proper external module probably creates 'misc' then. ;)
[01:26] <nis> corza: what is it?
[01:26] <corza> nis: well i dont know what to do with it
[01:26] <nis> corza: is it an archive?
[01:27] <samatman> does ubuntu have cd burning by default?
[01:27] <samatman> hoary?
[01:27] <smouche> I'm issuing a fatwa on that damn groundhog, nis.
[01:27] <corza> nis: its named imwheel-1.0.0pre12.tar-1
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> invictues: install gstreamer-mad
[01:27] <corza> nis: no?
[01:27] <corza> i double click on it and it says cant be displayed
[01:27] <nis> smouche: heh. we had a good march snow when .. um .. 8 yrs back maybe?
[01:27] <Burgundavia> samatman: yes for data, no for audio
[01:27] <iomicifikko> hi, i have a problem with vsftpd in ubuntu: i can access tree and subdir but always getting "550 Failed to open file" error trying opening files, any idea? thanks
[01:27] <nis> corza: a tarball.
[01:27] <Burgundavia> samatman: search for gnomebaker
[01:28] <corza> nis: affirmative
[01:28] <smouche> thnik you're right, nis.  I always complain we don't get enough snow in New York, but enough with winter already
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> got my motherboard running now
[01:28] <invictus> HiddenWolf; cant find it in apt
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> tv screen is showing bios setup :p
[01:28] <nis> corza: cat myfile.tar | tar -xvf -
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> so....just wanting check one thing... I should probably disable bios PnP?
[01:28] <nis> smouche: real currier and ives moment late last night .. snow on all the trees!
[01:28] <samatman> i can't beleive i'm using a cd for a damn text file
[01:29] <Quarupt> I did an update an my Gnome broke again?
[01:29] <nis> black_Nightmare: cool. that's how I do it here.
[01:29] <Quarupt> Lost desktop and panels, no shortcuts worked no right clicking worked
[01:29] <Quarupt> had to install kubuntu
[01:29] <St0n3-C0l> which repos u used ?
[01:30] <Quarupt> No i mean the Hoary updater
[01:30] <nis> Quarupt: I haven't figured that out but edit .xsession and add stuph to it. maybe .. nautilus (it seems to be there but in bakground)
[01:30] <Quarupt> I cant believe that there gunna release this as stable next week
[01:30] <nis> Quarupt: try 'killall nautilus' in shell
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> nis...so could you answer my question? :p
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> samathman..thats how come disk drives still have their useful ;)
[01:31] <nis> black_Nightmare: sorry I'm quite dizzy now. q was?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> nis - should i probably disable bios PnP?
[01:31] <corza> nis: ok that done something??
[01:31] <samatman> ok...i finally got the errors posted on pastebin
[01:31] <nis> black_Nightmare: in the award bios type setup?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> award yeah
[01:31] <samatman> http://pastebin.com/262077
[01:31] <samatman> now that seveas is away
[01:31] <nis> black_Nightmare: um .. dunno. try it both ways. ;)
[01:31] <corza> nis: what did that do?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> ok I'll go disabled for now
[01:32] <nis> black_Nightmare: depends on ur goal
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> brb :p
[01:32] <samatman> i have a usb disk, but it just wouln't let me write the damn text file ot it
[01:32] <nis> black_Nightmare: disable until you run out of options. then enable. /std engineering
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[01:32] <nis> ;)
[01:32] <nis> corza: 8 conversations going here.
[01:32] <Quarupt> kopete isnt a bad irc client
[01:33] <corza> nis: sorry, what did typing that do just list what was in imwheel?
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> Never used Kopete
[01:33] <nis> corza: u unpacked a tarball. now browse.
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> What bout GAIM :P
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> They don't have /notice command :P
[01:33] <nis> corza: lynx is your friend here.
[01:33] <Mitario> the wiki is broken?
[01:33] <corza> nis: ok..
[01:34] <corza> nis: where did i unpack it to?
[01:34] <corza> nis: found it
[01:34] <nis> Mitario: yes.
[01:34] <nis> corzo: current dir
[01:34] <corza> nis: what do you mean lynx is my friend?? eh??
[01:34] <nis> corza: type 'lynx' in the terminal.
[01:34] <corza> nis: current dir: home
[01:35] <corza> command not found
[01:35] <nis> corza: text-based www browser also file browser
[01:35] <nis> corza: so install it. ;)
[01:35] <nis> I use it every single day.
[01:35] <smouche> whoa, nix it never occured to me that lynx was also a file browser; must be fast
[01:36] <nis> smouche: lightning fast.
[01:36] <corza> nis i'll do it another day i have to go thanks for all ur help mate
[01:36] <nis> corza: you're welcome. was fun and challenging.  good luck.
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> this is too funny LOL ...
[01:36] <smouche> heh, given that konqueror hates me, I think I'll try lynx
[01:36] <Quarupt> Man KDE is looking nice nowadays
[01:36] <corza> nis: thanks alot catcha
[01:36] <nis>  /me emphasis on 'challenging' hi hi
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> nis I didn't realize it but one of the spare 2.5gb hd I had left on shelf actually had full 98se installed TOGETHER with the radeon drivers too
[01:36] <nis> corza: be well friend
[01:36] <maddler> anyone using KDE on hoary?
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> jeeze..and I thought I would be booting to a 'no system files found' screen
[01:37] <nis> black_Nightmare: doncha love that?
[01:37] <HappyPills> anyone had much like with printer sharing and SP2 (not SP1)? my SP1 machine prints perfectly through samba on Ubuntu, my SP2 machine hangs
[01:37] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in --listen mode?  vncviewer works fine connecting to other sites, but crashed right away in --listen mode: "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)"
[01:37] <Quarupt> maddler: I do
[01:37] <Quarupt> maddler: Kubuntu anyways
[01:37] <Mitario> hmm, inotify  isn't in the stock ubuntu kernel anymore?
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> nis...well.....yeah but at least this proves that the tv/out does work well -- I'll just have to see if I can find what res it is using now :p
[01:37] <samatman> 98se?  BURN IT!!!
[01:37] <black_Nightmare> bbl for a while
[01:37] <maddler> Quarupt: are you able to go in "administrator mode" for fontlist management?
[01:37] <Quarupt> never tried
[01:37] <Kamion> Mitario: no, broke too much
[01:38] <maddler> Quarupt: it asks me for root password but the it goes back sto standard user...
[01:38] <Quinn_Storm> what is an inotify btw?
[01:38] <Kamion> Mitario: boot with 'inotify' kernel argument to try it
[01:38] <Mitario> Kamion, :-(
[01:38] <Mitario> Kamion, ah great, thanks
[01:38] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: it's an interface to let applications find out when files change without having to constantly poll them
[01:38] <nis> black_Nightmare: so tv out works in separate operating systems? neat!
[01:38] <maddler> Quarupt: could you give it a try? :)
[01:38] <owen_> does anyone here use a tv tuner with conexant chip in hoary?
[01:38] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: (or directories changing) used by things like file managers
[01:39] <Quarupt> maddler: ya try enabling the root account?
[01:39] <Quarupt> maddler: sudo passwd
[01:39] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I see, interesting
[01:39] <nis> owen_: I use a conexant modem. they support linux indirectly.
[01:39] <samatman> i give up
[01:40] <samatman> this is getting stupid
[01:40] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I assume you have to recompile the ubuntu kernel to get it?
[01:40] <nis> samatman: what's interesting to me is how far you did get and why the work was necessary.
[01:40] <samatman> i haven't gotten anywhere
[01:40] <nis> samatman: Linux is a unix and u learned a lot of unix today.
[01:41] <samatman> very little i didn't already know
[01:41] <nis> heh.
[01:41] <samatman> or had been told before
[01:41] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: no, you have to boot with the 'inotify' kernel argument; at the moment it's too risky to enable by default
[01:41] <samatman> i'm honestly on the verge of destroying this machine with an axe handle
[01:41] <nis> samatman: what u after anyway?  what use for the computer for u?
[01:41] <samatman> interent, bittorrent, games, chat
[01:42] <nis> samatman: well Mac OS X has all the stability of unix/linux but is much easier to admin/maintain.
[01:42] <samatman> want to get wine and related softwares working so i don't have to muck about with windows key generators
[01:42] <maddler> Quarupt: yes... noway...
[01:42] <samatman> yeah, but macs are expensive machines
[01:42] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: Ah, I see.  what sort of risk? just a lockup?
[01:42] <cartman> anyone knows why emacs doesn't want to enter non-ascii charcters?
[01:42] <nis> samatman: yeah.
[01:42] <cartman> like unicode ones
[01:42] <samatman> and i have an amd64 2800
[01:42] <samatman> already
[01:43] <samatman> this worked a month ago just fine
[01:43] <nis> samatman: so -- a Linux installfest maybe? spring's here.
[01:43] <samatman> eh
[01:43] <samatman> i just want it to fucking work
[01:43] <nis> hehe.
[01:43] <nis>  /command/ it to. ;)
[01:43] <samatman> it worked before
[01:43] <MyKq3> hi does anyone know y the last UbuntuLinux ver (previwe hoary). is so havy ?
[01:43] <samatman> and i don't know what is different
[01:44] <nis> I think they should add an 'and I MEAN it' button to all keyboards. ;)
[01:44] <cartman> anyone using emacs in a unicode locale?
[01:44] <maddler> Quarupt: the strange thing is that it gaves no error even if I use a wrong passwrd...
[01:44] <nis> samatman: I typed 'macintosh-old' instead of 'macintosh_old' to support my keyboard here.  This was the ubuntu install 2 days ago.  No key was mapped to the right character.  Not a one.
[01:45] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: right; if you remember a month or two ago, kernel lockups at every login
[01:45] <nis> That was six hours I'll never see again.
[01:45] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: okay, well I'll check it out, inotify does seem like a cool feature.  does it automatically integrate with the fam-alternative that ubuntu uses?
[01:45] <nis> Worse -- I knew all about the 'macintosh' vs 'macintosh_old' issue, which was probably 12 hours of my life from 3 yrs ago. ;)
[01:46] <nis> drove me nuts.
[01:46] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: as far as I know, yeah. note that there's already a notification interface (called 'dnotify') in use; inotify is just a better version of it.
[01:47] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: yeah I just read a little page on dnotify.  I'm gonna try rebooting w/ inotify and see if I'm affected by the bug
[01:47] <Kamion> nis: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes has the translation map for what you probably ended up with, btw
[01:47] <nis> and .. this is a brand new iMac (or was 3 yrs ago) .. but 'old' not the (implied) 'new' ;)
[01:47] <samatman> what does make -C do?
[01:48] <samatman> oh
[01:48] <maddler> Change  to  directory dir before reading the makefiles or doing anything else.
[01:48] <robl^> speaking as a person that started using Linux at kernel 0.99pl9, Linux may take longer to set up and tweak... but once it is running you will MUCH less problems than most other "mainsteam" operating systems
[01:48] <nis> Kamion: I created that document (its equiv.) by rial and trerror.
[01:48] <nis> line my coffin with it. ;)
[01:49] <smouche> hey, nis. Lynx looks great.  Bit of a learning curve, but I think I'm going to enjoy using it.  Thanks
[01:49] <nis> samatman: the man page says the -C switch causes make to change to a directory before doing anything.
[01:49] <Kamion> nis: ah, ok :-)
[01:49] <nis> smouche: no problem.
[01:50] <nis> I better get out of here before a real expert exposes my fraud.
[01:50] <keffo> mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[01:50] <keffo> is this the correct way?
[01:50] <keffo> yes it was
[01:51] <nis> keffo: looks right
[01:51] <AcidWolf> question to access a repository through apt does one need a key emerged
[01:51] <samatman> yeah
[01:51] <nis> keffo: for style (only) the -t switch might come first.
[01:51] <samatman> make --help and i saw it
[01:51] <samatman> i'm goign to bed
[01:51] <nis> samatman: another day.
[01:52] <samatman> i wanted a 64 bit OS without having to deal with the absence of drivers for windows xp
[01:52] <samatman> and then the small box was goign to be my over night bittorent box
[01:52] <t325> hello, does any1 know how to change font size for gdm login screen?
[01:52] <nis> samatman: perspective.  these are amazing machines.
[01:53] <nis> t325: no but it's high on my list. /etc/gdm/gdm.conf I think is a starting pt.
[01:53] <samatman> anyways, i need sleep, it's 5 am
[01:54] <nis> 8 am here. ;)
[01:54] <t325> nis I already checked it, nothinbg about font size..
[01:54] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:54] <St0n3-C0l> 6 P.M :P
[01:54] <nis> t325: I had the thot that it'd be a global GNOME or GTK setting.
[01:54] <Seveas> 2PM
[01:54] <Gladiak> 1 pm
[01:54] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[01:54] <Gladiak> ^^"
[01:55] <nis> Seveas: .no?
[01:55] <Seveas> .nl
[01:55] <nis> rgr.
[01:55] <Gladiak> .it :
[01:55] <Quinn_Storm> well, looks like inotify is fine on my system
[01:55] <Gladiak> italy suck
[01:55] <Gladiak> :
[01:55] <nis>  /clear
[01:55] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:55] <t325> nis I don't think so, because gnome and gtk settings are different for each user, gdm settings are global, can only be set by root (or sudo in ubuntu)
[01:57] <airox> hi!
[01:57] <MyKq3> nahttp://www.osx-e.com/modules.php?modid=1&action=show&id=86 damn have someone sow it?
[01:57] <Seveas> !ih
[01:57] <MyKq3> its for windows...
[01:57] <nis> t325: right. X11 is started by gdm (sorta) or restarted anyway.
[01:57] <CitizenX> hello
[01:58] <nis> t325: /etc/X11/Xsession script foo?
[01:58] <nis>  .Xresources somewhere?
[01:58] <airox> I've just upgraded to hoary. Everything seems fine. But my mouse isn't working in X anymore. Is there a utility that can scan for which device the mouse is hanging on ?
[01:58] <Taleel> mdetect
[01:58] <airox> let's see ..
[01:59] <airox> It doesn't detect anything :(
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> airox: Check your xorg.conf
[02:00] <t325> search for "font" in Xsession gives nothing; will try to find .Xresources
[02:00] <airox> St0n3-C0l: And then ?
[02:00] <airox> :/
[02:00] <Gladiak> what mouse is it ?
[02:00] <nis> t325: /etc/X11/app-defaults/XSm ?
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> Check ur mouse device
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> maybe it works
[02:00] <airox> It's there.
[02:00] <St0n3-C0l> I did the same yesterday
[02:01] <Gladiak> wheel mouse ?
[02:01] <airox> it's a microsoft wheel mouse yeah
[02:01] <airox> 2 btn and 1 scroll btn
[02:01] <Gladiak> protocol ImPS2
[02:01] <airox> k
[02:01] <Gladiak> and it could be fine
[02:01] <Seveas> airox, compare your old XF86config-4 to your new xorg.conf
[02:02] <Seveas> that could give you some clue :)
[02:02] <t325> nis could it be this "*chooseSessionPopup*font:		12x24"? (in XSm)
[02:02] <Gladiak> right :)
[02:02] <urbanfox[Rebel] > hi
[02:02] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I'm having issues with totem
[02:02] <urbanfox[Rebel] > It won't play MP3 by default
[02:02] <nis> t325: on right track but I think I know what xsm is and this isn't it.
[02:03] <urbanfox[Rebel] > what package do I need to install to fix this?
[02:03] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox[Rebel]  its based on Gstreamer by default not on Xine-Lib
[02:03] <Seveas> urbanfox[Rebel] , install totem-xine
[02:03] <Seveas> and if you have marillat repos already: try w32codecs too :)
[02:03] <St0n3-C0l> you'll have to get Gstreamer plugins or install totem-xine (just as Seveas said)
[02:03] <nis> t325: has something to do with managing gdm via remote so u can boot a remote xterminal over a lan. get an xdm/gdm login screen on another phys term.
[02:04] <nis> t325: might involve unix sockets and localhost too. dunno.
[02:04] <nis> t325: 12x24 would be one large font indeed.
[02:04] <urbanfox[Rebel] > apt-get install totem-xine isn't doing anything :(
[02:04] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox use Synaptic
[02:04] <urbanfox[Rebel] > says there are no installation candidates
[02:05] <calc> its in universe
[02:05] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I can't find totem-xine in Synaptic either
[02:05] <CitizenX> anybody got flash as a firefox plugin in the 64bit hoary running ?
[02:05] <Seveas> urbanfox[Rebel] , enable universe first
[02:05] <calc> you have to add that repo to sources.list first
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox
[02:05] <t325> nis what should I put instead of it (12x24)?
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> your
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> Repos are set on CDROM
[02:05] <St0n3-C0l> Add Binary Repos for Multiverse and Universe
[02:05] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I'm new to debian-based distros
[02:06] <urbanfox[Rebel] > as such I know next to nothing
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> Go to Synaptic -> Settings -> Repos -> Add -> Hoary Updates
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> If you're using Hoary
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> otherwise Warty
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> and check on multiverse universe
[02:06] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[02:06] <nis> t325: gdmsetup ?
[02:07] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ah, thanks
[02:07] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I knew the package selection seemed a bit thin
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> urbanfox[Rebel] : don't worry I was new too :P You'll have to spend some time to understand the features of debian-based distros :)
[02:07] <urbanfox[Rebel] > :P
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> No Problem
[02:07] <nis> t325: mod some script to do 'gdm -fn myfont' ?
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> and then click on Reload
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[02:08] <kain> hi there, someone knows why alsasink/alsasrc and osssink/osssrc doesn't exists in hoary? I've gstreamer0.8-alsa/oss installed but those pipeline aren't on my system
[02:08] <kain> so if I want to use an alsa mixer instead of esd I can't
[02:08] <Quinn_Storm> kain: gst-register
[02:08] <Vjaz> If esd is on, alsa and oss are reserved by esd, so you can't use them if you don't kill esd, I think.
[02:09] <Quinn_Storm> kain: or more exactly, most likely, sudo gst-register
[02:09] <Vjaz> I could be wrong.
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> this is just too stupid LOL... locked out of my system by a hard password that I can't seem to recall now
[02:09] <kain> well, let's try
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> stoopid... :))
[02:09] <t325> nis no nothing in gdmsetup; will try to change in XSm, who knows.. and for the script idea, I have no idea where to start
[02:09] <nis> t325: 'xdm -resources' is a valid switch.  man xdm
[02:09] <Quinn_Storm> kain: oh, its gst-register-0.8 on ubuntu
[02:09] <St0n3-C0l> LoL
[02:09] <kain> yes Quinn_Storm, I've tried that but no result
[02:09] <kain> error in pipeline
[02:09] <nis> t325: u can trace the scripts; I start with the 'startx' script nowadays but I used to start with 'xinit' binary.
[02:10] <nis> t325: the script chain has this maddening way of undoing what another setup.
[02:10] <magnon> hey, I tried to update base-files and /var/log/btmp is inaccessible, it exist but I can't change its permissions or access it at all. The update needs to access it, what's wrong?
[02:11] <nis> black_Nightmare: battery.  remove. short motherboard batty contacts. no bios passwd. ;)
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> nis..no not bios -- the system
[02:11] <nis> black_Nightmare: root?
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> it was an old program I used last I used this computer .. it has a fullscreen login window and even disables the ctrl key too
[02:11] <kain> well, it worked, thanks
[02:11] <kain> i must kill esd
[02:11] <t325> nis I found smthn interesting in /etc/X11/Xresources; will restart X
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> I think he locked his windo*s system
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> st0n3...well...this particular hd never seen any use for quite a long time so there
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> funny that it had a full system left on it :p
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> brb
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:12] <nis> t325: don't forget these are mostly example scripts, but they're incomplete.  The 'font' grep can turn  up nothing because that's an option for which no example comment was given but belong there. ;)
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> Gone from my head
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:13] <nis> comments in X11 generally start with ! in some files but not others.
[02:15] <nis> t325:        xlogin.Login.font
[02:15] <nis>               The font used to display the typed-in user name.
[02:15] <t325> where is it located?
[02:15] <nis> t325: man xdm
[02:15] <nis> got all u want there.
[02:15] <CitizenX> someone here who could help me with flash, its about the firefox plugin, i got it all installed but when i open some flash or shockwave thing the plugins workingplace stays black
[02:15] <nis> sure look like Xresources to me but I haven't read the legend yet.
[02:16] <Shaquile> Have you got fglrx to work in Ubuntu?
[02:17] <nis> t325: file should be named (after the pattern of) DisplayManager.DISPLAY.resources
[02:17] <nis> t325: say, gdm.0.resources
[02:18] <t325> ok..
[02:18] <padlefot> anyone use 3ddesktop ?
[02:18] <urbanfox[Rebel] > hrm. is there a redhat-artwork package?
[02:19] <Jesterace> urbanfox[Rebel] , you looking for the bluecurve metacity theme?
[02:20] <urbanfox[Rebel] > yes
[02:20] <Jesterace> i had to download it from redhat then extract it
[02:20] <St0n3-C0l> You like that theme :P
[02:20] <urbanfox[Rebel] > what section are artwork packages put under?
[02:21] <Jesterace> i forget i googled and found it
[02:21] <Jesterace> http://jester.bluefire.org/images/ubuntucurve.png
[02:21] <Jesterace> screenie :P
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> say .. on ot note any of you know where the startup folder would be kept under? (the directory that is)
[02:22] <nis> t325: could also be a gdm theme issue
[02:22] <black_Nightmare> I already tried windows>startmenu> and its not there
[02:22] <nis> Windows>System>foo?
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> hmm system folder....ty
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> brb
[02:23] <BX4702> HI
[02:23] <BX4702> Got a question here
[02:23] <Stemp>  /msg nickserv set email smarguet.freesurf.fr
[02:24] <nis> t325: try /usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml
[02:24] <t325> ok
[02:24] <nis> (subst. ur theme there for HC)
[02:24] <t325> sure
[02:24] <BX4702> am tring to install ubuntu on a found computer but it doesn't boot from cd and setup is locked wiuth a password I do not know, anyone can tell me how to get around that?>
[02:25] <nis> t325: just change all the instances of '12' to '18'
[02:25] <St0n3-C0l> Jesterace: Looks better
[02:25] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:25] <Jesterace> hehe :P
[02:26] <nis> BX4702: disc battery
[02:26] <nis> that zeros out the bios
[02:26] <nis> (cmos nvram)
[02:27] <vivek> hi
[02:27] <BX4702> will try that now thanks
[02:27] <nis> will also lose all bios settings so u want to print screen all of them first
[02:27] <vivek> how do i install gaim-vv on ubuntu?
[02:27] <BX4702> ah
[02:28] <BX4702> don't have acces to em,
[02:28] <nis> BX4702: print screen key on PC-AT used to be able to print bios screens to dead trees
[02:28] <nis> BX4702: defaults usually are okay but non optimal
[02:29] <vivek> does n e 1 know how to install gaim-vv on ubuntu????
[02:29] <nis> BX4702: besides I believe the Linux kernel pretty much ignores most of them
[02:29] <BX4702> ok will use defaults and take it from there, seems easiest and am not that good at all this thanks nis
[02:29] <nis> BX4702: welcome.
[02:30] <nis> BX4702: sometimes u short the battery terminals on the mobo to 'drain the residual charge' out of the cmos.
[02:30] <vivek> gaim-vv on ubuntu?
[02:30] <nis> (disc the battery -- don't short the battery)
[02:30] <kent> vivek, I dont think that program is so usefull. Its based on an old gaim, so you wont have bugfixes etc, and the webcam feature does not seem to work that well. (If it would, then they would have made a working release..)
[02:31] <nis> BX4702: www.badflash.com has good help there
[02:31] <psth> hi folks
[02:31] <psth> if i have a server,and two clients, whats the best way of doing regular backups from the clients onto the server?
[02:31] <thefish> psai_, check out rsync, it is very quick for this kind of thing (it will only transfer changes)
[02:32] <nis> psth: rsync but it's low level and slow (not best, but 'a' way).
[02:32] <thefish> psth, even ;)
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> ok I finally found the main program for the winsecure thinge and moved it to a temp folder then rebooted..
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> now I have full access to desktop :p
[02:32] <nis> thefish: slow over ssh I meant ;)
[02:32] <maddler> psth: tar+scp (maybe using certificates)
[02:32] <maddler> psth: using a cronjob
[02:32] <vivek> ty kent...but is there ne way ican see web cam on linux???
[02:32] <psth> cheers, i'll take a look at rsync
[02:32] <nis> black_Nightmare: now format C: /S ;)
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> and nis -- the display is set to 1024x800 and it actually doesn't seem to have any problem showing that on this large tv at all ... except the 10pt standard fonts are a tad hard to read unless you're not too far from the tv
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> nis..no thanks lol
[02:33] <vivek> i have ubuntu,ofcourse..
[02:33] <psth> maddler, would a cronjob using rsync be possible?
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> so I think ubuntu would also be able to show on the tv as well?
[02:33] <psth> i was goinna use ifolder. or is that for a completely different thing?
[02:33] <nis> black_Nightmare: I can't read the EGA fonts at all! but I know what they say.
[02:33] <kent> vivek, gnome netmeating can do it, and it can talk to windows computers (they have to start netmeating in windows)
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> nis..lol ~ well seriously this tv displays 1024x800 fine
[02:33] <thefish> psth, rsync can be cronned yes, even better - run it over ssh with public keys
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> I'm going try raise it higher and see what the limit is
[02:33] <nis> black_Nightmare: ubuntu in text  mode certainly will.
[02:34] <thefish> psth, that way, you dont need to put passwords in your scripts
[02:34] <psth> thefish, i've no idea what you just said. but i'll check into it
[02:34] <psth> :)
[02:34] <nis>  /nothing's certain tho
[02:34] <maddler> psth: sure...
[02:34] <maddler> psth: you can use whatever you want in a cronjob...
[02:35] <thefish> psth, first read about rsync, then check out ssh with pubkeys (google has loads)
[02:35] <nis> black_Nightmare: it sounds like that gizmo would present a VGA hardware interface to ubuntu. SVGA server should do in X11. :)
[02:35] <psth> thefish, cool! thanks a lot everyone, i'll get looking into that stuff later
[02:35] <maddler> psth: but using tar to compress files on local machine will shorten time needed for transfer... and use less bandwidth...
[02:35] <maddler> it also depends if the central server is on the same lan of the two machines being backed up...
[02:35] <n00b_> like I installed aterm and now I want to put it in tu the applications menu.how can I do that?
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> nis... its aiw7500 card btw :p
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> brb for a while
[02:36] <t325> nis I solved the problem editing both Xresources (uncomment a line at the bottom, set dpi value to 96) and gdm theme file config (14->12)
[02:37] <nis> black_Nightmare: just a PCI card?
[02:37] <t325> ok
[02:37] <nis> dpi wow
[02:37] <nis> whoda thunkit
[02:38] <Jesterace> urbanfox[Rebel] , http://jester.bluefire.org/bluecurve.zip
[02:38] <Jesterace> it's the metacity & gtk themes
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> where are Mplayer fonts located ?
[02:39] <Jesterace> don't know i use xine :P
[02:42] <skora> a quick google search brought up /usr/local/share/mplayer/font
[02:42] <skora> :] 
[02:43] <skora> btw, i forget where the apt sources list is edited at..
[02:43] <skora> [location wise, on my drive] 
[02:43] <skora> [somewhere in etc ?] 
[02:43] <Jesterace> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:43] <skora> thanks jesterace.
[02:43] <Jesterace> np :)
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> thanks
[02:43] <skora> is that the right one stone ?
[02:44] <skora> jester, does this list directly correspond with synaptic's list, or does synaptic have a different one ?
[02:45] <Jesterace> skora, synaptic should use the exact same list
[02:45] <nis> skora: there is a mirror page
[02:47] <skora> nis, i see that list, though i was proposing one that's similar to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> skora: nope :P
[02:47] <skora> then lists the repositories right on it.
[02:47] <keffo> hm
[02:47] <keffo> tar.gz <-
[02:47] <keffo> tar -zxvf file.tar.gz
[02:47] <nis> skora: rgr
[02:47] <keffo> right?
[02:48] <skora> [easier for newb's, imho] 
[02:48] <skora> rgr ?
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> Nice try :P
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:48] <nis> keffo: I think -xzvf is usual there yes
[02:48] <skora> it its
[02:48] <skora> keffo
[02:48] <keffo> m
[02:49] <keffo> keffo@keffo:~$ tar -xzvf point2play1.3.3_deb.tar.gz
[02:49] <keffo> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[02:49] <keffo> tar: Child returned status 1
[02:49] <keffo> never had thosep problems before
[02:49] <skora> have gzip installed, right ?
[02:49] <keffo> yey
[02:49] <St0n3-C0l> keffo
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> do onething
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> mv point2play* point2play*.deb
[02:50] <keffo> smart one
[02:50] <keffo> ;p
[02:50] <keffo> thanks
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> np
[02:50] <nis> there is no *.deb.tar.gz  .. a .deb is an 'ar' archive
[02:50] <nis> ar x debfile.deb
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah
[02:52] <nis> gzip -t myfile.gz tests for gzipedness iirc
[02:52] <foznot> my computer now has no sound....i installed vlc last night and now nothing. any ideas?
[02:52] <foznot> i am using ubuntu hoary
[02:52] <nis> what's vlc?
[02:53] <foznot> videolan
[02:53] <St0n3-C0l> same question raised in my mind :P
[02:53] <keffo> a media palyer
[02:53] <nis> whazzit do?
[02:53] <nis> ah.
[02:53] <keffo> an awesome media player
[02:53] <nis> alsa/esd issue
[02:53] <keffo> imo:P
[02:53] <nis> maybe.
[02:53] <keffo> hey foznot www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:53] <keffo> read about vlc there
[02:54] <keffo> or go into prefs in vlc.. and try both esd, oss n alsa
[02:54] <nis> right.
[02:54] <foznot> only esd works
[02:54] <foznot> and with only certain discs/dvds
[02:54] <nis> OSS worked on my last box for no reason I could fathom.  But there it was (that was always an esd box prior).
[02:56] <nis> I have to go.
[02:56] <foznot> keffo: i didn't see vlc listed
[02:56] <foznot> thanks nis
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> back
[02:56] <nis> foznot: welcome. 73, all. -wa1tnr
[02:56] <black_Nightmare> anyone know what you call it if you have a desktop that is larger than the screen itself?
[02:57] <deFrysk> small screen
[02:57] <deFrysk> ;p
[02:57] <nis> black_Nightmare: look at 'virtual' in the same spot as the Modes "1024x768" "800x600" part of XF86Config/xorg.conf etc.
[02:57] <ftwig> I have to kill esd to get xmms working in horay, I did not have to do this in warty.  Any idea whay?
[02:57] <St0n3-C0l> hey where to put plugins for Totem
[02:57] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[02:58] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> I did
[02:58] <black_Nightmare> nis...ah ok because I got 1200x1024 running on tv now but I have to scroll a bit to see part of desktop :p
[02:59] <St0n3-C0l> i am saying in which folder i can put plugins for Totem
[02:59] <black_Nightmare> its like the tv is 1024x800 max but the desktop is wanting to run 1200x1024 :p
[02:59] <St0n3-C0l> okay got it
[02:59] <deFrysk> StoneTable, get the w32 codecs from marrillat
[02:59] <deFrysk> see the wiki page for restricted formats for further info
[03:00] <StoneTable> ?
[03:00] <black_Nightmare> nis did you understand what I was saying anyhow?
[03:01] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, I mean sorrr StoneTable darn autocompl
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> :LS
[03:02] <deFrysk> :s
[03:02] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:02] <StoneTable> heh :p
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> I already did ;)
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> dun u worry :P
[03:02] <deFrysk> later folks
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> I did it from tarballs
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> bah where the heck is nis?? lol
[03:04] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[03:04] <black_Nightmare> ok
[03:08] <St0n3-C0l> back
[03:08] <St0n3-C0l> Do anybody uses any good Download Manager here ?
[03:09] <segfault2k> wget
[03:09] <St0n3-C0l> d4x dumps the downloads from 89% to start (even when Resume is supported) ehh :P During downloads
[03:09] <St0n3-C0l> eheh
[03:11] <dross> I'm having trouble installing staroffice
[03:12] <dross> it says permission denied, but runs with any other user
[03:12] <kickrocks> is there a ia64 version?
[03:14] <kickrocks> uhmm forget that
[03:14] <kickrocks> I found it
[03:14] <adrighem> St0n3-C0l: gwget?
[03:15] <segfault2k> kget
[03:15] <segfault2k> :P
[03:16] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[03:16] <St0n3-C0l> kget is better
[03:16] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[03:16] <segfault2k> :D
[03:17] <Jesterace> ah cool do  a custom install and you get ubuntu with no desktop :P
[03:17] <Deadbeef|food> why does warty include apache2 but not php4; and what deps does php4 exactly have ?
[03:17] <adrighem> I've got a problem when installing package "fam"
[03:17] <adrighem> when I try to install fam, apt-get wants to remove 178 other packages, i.e. my whole deksopt install.
[03:18] <Deadbeef|food> adrighem: man apt-get, and the section about dependancies.. you could, ofcourse, ignore it
[03:19] <adrighem> Deadbeef`: yeah, I know about dependencies. I've been using debian for over 8 years now.
[03:19] <St0n3-C0l> and when I try to remove gnomemeeting
[03:19] <St0n3-C0l> Synaptic tries to remove Ubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[03:20] <adrighem> Deadbeef`NL: but there's no real reason for fam to be incompatible with all those packages. What I'd like to know is...is anyone alse having problems with fam and gnome?
[03:21] <Deadbeef`NL> don't know.. haven'
[03:21] <Deadbeef`NL> t updatet warty yet
[03:21] <St0n3-C0l> haven ?
[03:21] <Deadbeef`NL> haven't
[03:21] <St0n3-C0l> Ohh
[03:21] <kent> St0n3-C0l, ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage. Its not a real package. It only make sure that when you install ubuntu, all packages that is named in ubuntu-desktop gets installed so that you get the whole desktop. You can remove that package later on, and some packages will remove it. So its not a problem.
[03:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[03:22] <deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, Ubuntu-desktop is a meta-pack
[03:22] <deFrysk> removing it does no harm
[03:22] <deFrysk> kent
[03:22] <deFrysk> darn
[03:22] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[03:22] <Jesterace> heh so it keeps gnome installed?
[03:22] <deFrysk> Jesterace, yup
[03:22] <flyingsquirrel54> hi all installed ubuntu yesterday and I love it!!
[03:22] <Jesterace> wish i knew that awhile ago
[03:22] <Jesterace> forget what i tried to install that said it would remove it
[03:23] <flyingsquirrel54> how can I install the plugins to play mp3's
[03:23] <Jesterace> however I suppose if it did get removed install ubuntu-desktop would put it back in
[03:23] <deFrysk> Jesterace, yup
[03:23] <Jesterace> i'm putting it in warty at the moment
[03:23] <Jesterace> did a custom install  :P
[03:23] <deFrysk> but if you remove Oo u-desktop get removed with it withoud doing any harm
[03:24] <flyingsquirrel54> hey guys, how can I install the plugins needed to play mp3's
[03:25] <deFrysk> flyingsquirrel54, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> flyingsquirrel54: apt-get install totem-xine
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[03:25] <segfault2k> there is a way to use xcompmgr 
[03:25] <segfault2k> in ubuntu hoary?
[03:25] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks I'll try those
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> 3ddesktop :P
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> np
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> hmm stupid question: how do you delete folders in dos?
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> :">
[03:27] <airox> hehe
[03:27] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: del /?
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef... 'del' is only for files
[03:27] <airox> deltree ?
[03:27] <deFrysk> black_Nightmare, rightclick it in total commander
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> doh.. deltree -- thanks
[03:27] <Deadbeef`NL> deltree indeed
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> I should have thought of that
[03:27] <black_Nightmare> brb :D
[03:27] <Deadbeef`NL> but's that not a default program :)
[03:28] <Deadbeef`NL> eg not shipped with DOS
[03:28] <Deadbeef`NL> afaik :P
[03:28] <airox> Why in hell are you using DOS then ? (curious)
[03:29] <black_Nightmare> hd chirping madly away now..hehe deleting system folder :p
[03:29] <HappyPills> dos rocks
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> happy..not to mention that you can read-only ntfs from dos..rendering the supposed sercuity of ntfs useless
[03:30] <black_Nightmare> irony isn't it?
[03:31] <HappyPills> oooh, didn't know that
[03:32] <thefish> black_Nightmare, its the same with ext3, reiser, ext2, xfs
[03:32] <HappyPills> I reiterate, dos rocks
[03:32] <HappyPills> yes but they weren't made by microsoft
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> thefish..well...they think 2K and so for business is supposed to be secure
[03:32] <thefish> if someone has physical access, security is null
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> but truth: its NOT!!!!
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> better to just stick to whatever os works..even 9x as well
[03:32] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:32] <Deadbeef`NL> ntfs is just a layer on top of the actual filesystem
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> yeah you tell me now
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> thats why I like my iomega zip drive....
[03:33] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: you're joking right ? win9x ?
[03:33] <thefish> Deadbeef`NL, hehe no way - its a very complicated, messy mess
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> my most personal files are *off* the system when its not in use
[03:33] <srid> kubuntu is great!
[03:33] <HappyPills> so if ntfs is just a layer than what is the underlying file system?
[03:33] <thefish> its a filesystem
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef... between 98se and 2K there's not much difference if you remove ntfs sercuity from 2K ... thats just my own rant anyhow ;)
[03:33] <thefish> ntfsv5
[03:34] <srid> no anti-aliased fonts in kubuntu-desktop! :-(
[03:34] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: besides the stability++ from 2k :)
[03:34] <tom_neo>  mhh what could be the reason for my system hanging when i burn a cd
[03:35] <bung__> and the fact it was based on NT, not 95.
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef...I had 98se running for years ... even *no* repairs at all
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> rock stable even with umm.. over 20 uninstall.exe used and several dos fix-it visits
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> or maybe it was just me
[03:36] <bung__> I think the architecture is very different.
[03:36] <bung__> but then again, I don't pay attention.
[03:37] <St0n3-C0l> I always had problems with 98se :P
[03:37] <St0n3-C0l> Registry errors
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> st0n3..must be hardware choice then
[03:37] <Riddell> srid: anti-aliased fonts should be fixed in an upload I made last night
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> or some programs not done well
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> heh
[03:37] <St0n3-C0l> on p4 ?
[03:38] <black_Nightmare> mine is 300Amhz slot1 anyhow
[03:38] <kent> hmm,  have gnome.org been slashdot'ed?  :(
[03:38] <srid> Riddell: so if I apt-get update now, i could be fine?
[03:38] <St0n3-C0l> kent what ya mean :p
[03:38] <srid> but kopete is really not good for IRC (i liked xchat)
[03:39] <black_Nightmare> jeeze... deltree is still working away at the system folder....must be huge...lol
[03:39] <St0n3-C0l> srid: Obviously Kopete is a multi-protocol client and xchat is pure IRC client
[03:40] <Deadbeef`NL> black_Nightmare: did you turn cache on ?
[03:40] <Deadbeef`NL> :P
[03:40] <gilbs72> hi. is there a hot-key to wake ubuntu after i close and open the lid of my laptop?  been looking for info but couldn't find any. i end up pressing ctrl-alt-del to shutdown and restart.
[03:40] <kresten> Hi! Does any of you guys know how to disable the touchpad on a laptop?
[03:40] <kent> St0n3-C0l,  most articles on slashdot links to another page, and those pages get sunk down from to much traffic since it seems that *many* people read slashdot. And now it seems that it is gnome.org's turn to get so many readers that it gets sunken down.  (or atleast Seth Nickels blog)
[03:41] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[03:41] <srid> let me switch back to xchat
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> deadbeef..nevermind when I went to check it was done and waiting for me to say yn to the next directory :p
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> just curious but can I set a desktop in ubuntu or.....?
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> desktop picture that is
[03:42] <Deadbeef`NL> yes you can
[03:43] <Deadbeef`NL> ..right mouse button
[03:43] <kresten> black_Nightmare, Background?
[03:43] <kresten> black_Nightmare, as Deadbeef`NL, said: right mouse button...
[03:44] <black_Nightmare> sorry yeah.. background -- jeeze I'm not thinking straight!!
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> har
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> can I set a BACKGROUND picture in ubuntu? :p
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> with gnome that is
[03:45] <airox> black_Nightmare: yes.
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> oh ok....thanks :)
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> can I config background color too?
[03:45] <airox> black_Nightmare: yes.
[03:45] <St0n3-C0l> bye
[03:45] <kresten> Same place...
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> hm ty
[03:45] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> black background and a dark picture :D
[03:46] <kresten> Is it possible to disable the touchpad?
[03:47] <airox> kresten: yes.
[03:47] <airox> kresten: check your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[03:47] <airox> It should be in there.
[03:47] <kresten> Will do. Thanks!
[03:49] <black_Nightmare> any of you even heard of Need For Speed Underground?
[03:49] <dizzie> lol :)
[03:49] <airox> Yes.
[03:49] <black_Nightmare> airox..me too..not so sure its my kind of games but then the graphic arts they do are quite nice
[03:50] <airox> black_Nightmare: So ... :)
[03:50] <black_Nightmare> http://www.eagames.com/official/nfs/underground/us/downloads.jsp?show=wallpapers&skin=default and 2nd row.. leftmost picture ... thats my favorite background picture :">
[03:50] <black_Nightmare> nice girl....lol
[03:50] <kresten> airox, Hav'n
[03:50] <kresten> airox, Sorry...
[03:50] <kresten> airox, I don't think I have that...
[03:51] <airox> kresten: Using warty ? ... Then check XFree86Config in the same dir.
[03:52] <kresten> airox, using warty. I have a XF86Config-4 in that dir...
[03:52] <airox> Yeah, use that one.
[03:52] <airox> err.. check that one
[03:53] <black_Nightmare> airox - just wondering but did you look at the picture? :p
[03:54] <airox> black_Nightmare: no ;)
[03:54] <kresten> airox, What should I check/uncheck?
[03:54] <black_Nightmare> why not?
[03:54] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:54] <airox> kresten: Check the directives if there are 2 mouse sections.
[03:55] <foznot> i still have no sound with hoary after reinstalling vlc last night...no other changes were made...if i go back to warty, is warty using the 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:55] <naikuty_> hello, anybody on AMD64 - I just couldnot get X up
[03:56] <kresten> airox, there are two sections. One of those are even labeled "synaptics touchpad".
[03:56] <airox> kresten: What about the other one ?
[03:57] <kresten> airox, "configured mouse"
[03:57] <airox> kresten: You have the problem that the wrong mouse is used for controlling the cursor ?
[03:57] <airox> Or you just want to disabel one ?
[03:58] <chillywilly> where is ps2pdf in ubuntu?
[03:58] <kresten> airox, no both works... just want to disable one...
[03:58] <chillywilly> is it packaged?
[03:58] <airox> kresten: ok.
[03:58] <chillywilly> anyone know of any other tool that I could use that is packaged?
[03:58] <airox> chillywilly: ps2pdf is in a default hoary installation.
[03:59] <chillywilly> doh
[03:59] <chillywilly> should've just tried it at the command line
[03:59] <chillywilly> :P
[03:59] <airox> kresten: Check the section labeled ServerLayout
[03:59] <kresten> airox, should I change "SendCoreEvents" to false for the device I want to disable?
[03:59] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: do you perhaps know why warty ships with apache2 but without php4 ?
[03:59] <chillywilly> looks old though, doesn't have ps2pdf14
[04:00] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Does it ship with a webserver ?
[04:00] <Deadbeef`NL> yes, apache
[04:00] <srid> test
[04:00] <airox> strange ...
[04:00] <kresten> airox, yeah got both devices there...
[04:00] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: in hoary it isn't there ..
[04:00] <airox> kresten: comment the correct one out.
[04:00] <Deadbeef`NL> and in warty neither
[04:01] <airox> chillywilly: in the hoary default installation there is ps2pdf14
[04:01] <chillywilly> hmmm, that looks liek dog shit :)
[04:01] <chillywilly> ok, then it's just not listed in the man page
[04:01] <kresten> airox, How...? which caracter do I use to comment things out?
[04:01] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: So you are asking why it ships WITHOUT a webserve /
[04:01] <airox> ?
[04:01] <airox> kresten: #
[04:02] <airox> kresten: Put that one at the front of the line.
[04:02] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: no, why it does not ship with php4
[04:02] <kresten> airox, thanks...
[04:02] <airox> kresten: Then log out and back in.
[04:03] <chillywilly> hmmm, it's not converting very well
[04:03] <chillywilly> that sucks
[04:03] <jazzka> hi!
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Well I find it weird that it even ships with a webserver.
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Installing php would be another (for many) useless thing.
[04:03] <no0tic> openoffice has been freezed to 1.9.76 version?
[04:03] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: not for me ;)
[04:03] <jazzka> I've got a bash-script, and I want to execute it once every day, which is the easiest way?
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Then install it.
[04:03] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: You do have apt-get you know ;)
[04:03] <no0tic> or hoary stable release will contain OO.o 2?
[04:04] <kresten> airox, Thanks.
[04:04] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Would be a shame not to have to use apt-get ;D
[04:04] <airox> kresten: np
[04:04] <Deadbeef`NL> airox: apt-get yes; but don't have internet access on that machine
[04:04] <Deadbeef`NL> don't ask either
[04:04] <airox> Deadbeef`NL: Then grab the packages and burn them on cd or something./
[04:04] <Kamion> no0tic: that hasn't yet been decided
[04:05] <Deadbeef`NL> and can't get the deps working while the right things ARE installed
[04:05] <no0tic> Kamion: where decisions take place?
[04:06] <skywire> how can i hide my host?
[04:06] <airox> skywire: Could you be more specific ?
[04:06] <chillywilly> all the text is missing in the resulting pdf
[04:07] <Kamion> no0tic: technical board and/or misc developer meetings. however that particular decision is blocked on, er, actually having working OOo2 packages
[04:09] <no0tic> Kamion: thanks
[04:10] <kresten> how do you edit files from the command line?
[04:10] <kresten> Which program do you guys use?
[04:11] <Deadbeef`NL> kresten: nano
[04:11] <reynoldlariza> hello?
[04:11] <kresten> Deadbeef`NL: ok
[04:12] <thomerz> when will hoary exactly be released?
[04:12] <DJ_Mirage> half way april ?
[04:13] <Xappe> 6th?
[04:13] <reynoldlariza> where can i find a screenshot? i like to see it :)
[04:13] <thomerz> is it sure Xappe?
[04:14] <Xappe> no, that's what I think i've heard
[04:14] <Xappe> :)
[04:14] <Xappe> reynoldlariza: screenshot of hoary?
[04:15] <reynoldlariza> yes
[04:15] <reynoldlariza> i would like to see some :)
[04:15] <skywire> look @ google :P
[04:15] <Xappe> reynoldlariza: here's mine: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot.png
[04:15] <reynoldlariza> thanks :)
[04:16] <reynoldlariza> so what does ubuntu different from other distributions? if i may ask :)
[04:16] <befrok> hello
[04:17] <Miguez> Xappe, what theme and icons are those?
[04:17] <befrok> does ubuntu use SCIM by default?
[04:17] <bob2> reynoldlariza: the website has stuff about that
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> can anyone help me debug my openoffice install on amd64? I get can't execute binary file :(
[04:18] <blackmoon> hi! i've got some errors with synaptic...
[04:19] <Xappe> Miguez: the theme is leech and the icons are GNANT
[04:19] <Xappe> i think :) (i've changed the desktop a bit since that shot)
[04:19] <blackmoon> no ones?
[04:20] <bob2> blackmoon: best to just ask your question
[04:20] <bob2> which won't involving pasting crap in here
[04:20] <kresten> airox, commenting out that line didn't do the trick... Any suggestions?
[04:20] <airox> kresten: Comment out the whole section of the mouse then.
[04:21] <Miguez> Xappe, looks nice, and the eye background is disturbingly pleasing
[04:21] <reynoldlariza> im a new to linux, and i want to learn it, is ubunti realy easy to learn? used windows almost all time time :)
[04:22] <Xappe> Miguez: yes, that one is from deviantart
[04:22] <exalted> Thanks to a package in the installation process, i cannot proceed with the default installation. So i've installed Ubuntu with "server" option, as you know this installs just the base packages. Now i have to install all packages i need manually. So to have nice GNOME Desktop Environment and GNOME Desktop Manager which commands i have to run? Thanks.
[04:23] <Miguez> reynoldlariza:  I never used Linux before, got Ubuntu working 4 days ago, am not going back to Windows
[04:23] <PacoBCN__> any good bash coder here?
[04:23] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: was a steep learning curve in the beggining, specially setting up the video card for hardware acceleration and getting my NIC to work
[04:23] <blackmoon> i've got some errors when i try to update the packages, with synaptic;  E: postfix:  post-installation script return error code 1
[04:23] <Kamion> thomerz: 6th April, definitely
[04:23] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: but with the help from people at #ubuntu and #opengl, I got it all working in two days, and am very happy right now
[04:24] <Kamion> exalted: aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'
[04:24] <PacoBCN__> I need something stupid but since I'm kinda noob I don't really know how to do this. I need to resize all images in a given directory to max width 1024 but only if exceeded. Any howto master?
[04:24] <PacoBCN__> I know mogrify is my friend
[04:24] <PacoBCN__> but I'm not sure how to do it, anyway
[04:25] <exalted> Kamion: is it necessary to rooting?
[04:25] <reynoldlariza> i used PERL C/C++, and PHP a lot, does ubuntu support these language?
[04:25] <no0tic> does anybody know something about Luminocity?
[04:25] <lamont> blackmoon: which version of postfix, current?
[04:25] <Kamion> exalted: "to be root"? yes
[04:25] <Miguez> reynoldlariza:  I code OpenGL in C/C++.  As far as that, Anjuta is a great IDE (anjuta.sourceforge.net)
[04:25] <exalted> Kamion: how to do that with sudo?
[04:25] <Skid> hi, does ubuntu  use xorg? or xfree?
[04:26] <Miguez> reynoldlariza:  And even though i lack the facts, I am pretty sure you can install whatever libs you need for whatever languages
[04:26] <Skid> *looking at the xfce4 composite stuff
[04:26] <Xappe> exalted just throw in a sudo before the command
[04:26] <Miguez> Skid: Ubuntu Hoary, the latest version (still in a beta stage, somewhat, but open to public, and is what i have running) uses xorg
[04:26] <exalted> Skid: warty xfree, hoary xorg
[04:26] <kresten> airox, still no luck :(
[04:26] <Kamion> exalted: put 'sudo ' before what I said
[04:26] <Skid> ah, cool im just installing now, so if i update straight to horay
[04:26] <Skid> it'll install xorg?
[04:26] <exalted> Kamion: allright.
[04:27] <Miguez> Skid: yep
[04:27] <Skid> (that's done by the apt sources, yes?)
[04:27] <Xappe> yes
[04:27] <Skid> just chanign warty -> horay
[04:27] <Skid> cool
[04:27] <Skid> ta
[04:27] <exalted> Let's have a try then, thx folks.
[04:27] <airox> kresten: You did restart x didn't you ?
[04:27] <reynoldlariza> thanks you, but last question... i also used office suites and a lot of image editing (in PSP,Photoshop), does it have one?
[04:27] <kresten> airox, I restarted the computer...
[04:28] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: GIMP for images, OpenOffice for any office stuff
[04:28] <reynoldlariza> does it have in the installer e.g. openoffice?
[04:28] <kresten> airox, so yes ;)
[04:28] <Skid> reynoldlariza -gimp?
[04:28] <Miguez> renoldlariza: Hoary installs OpenOffice as default
[04:28] <reynoldlariza> oh thanks :)
[04:28] <Xappe> reynoldlariza: open office and gimp are installed "out of the box"
[04:28] <Xappe> damn
[04:28] <Skid> is there a horay download, or is it easier just to update?
[04:28] <Xappe> too very late
[04:28] <reynoldlariza> lolz, i used openoffice in Windows :P
[04:28] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: let me give you some links to look at
[04:29] <reynoldlariza> thanks Miguez :)
[04:29] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: http://www.gimp.org/
[04:29] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: and you already know openoffice :)
[04:29] <reynoldlariza> yup
[04:29] <robl^> does ubuntu support solitaire and turning the screen a pretty shade of blue, like Windows? :)
[04:29] <exalted> Kamion: sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop' ?
[04:29] <Kamion> exalted: yes
[04:29] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: plus I have found that the repositories for Ubuntu, which is basically a directory on the net where your distro goes to fetch applications you want, is very complete
[04:30] <exalted> Kamion: thx
[04:30] <exalted> see ya
[04:30] <Miguez> reynoldlariza: so everytime I have wanted something, and told Ubuntu to get it, it found it right away
[04:30] <Miguez> reynoldlariza:  If you are gonna try Ubuntu, I recommend you read the ubuntuguide.org
[04:30] <reynoldlariza> ok, i will :)
[04:31] <airox> Where could I check how much videoram x.org sees when it's running ?
[04:31] <daniels> airox: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:32] <AcidWolf> OSS is apparently being used by another process
[04:32] <AcidWolf> how do i check what is using it
[04:32] <warcraft3> My isp let me download MAX 10 GB pr 24 hours.. If I download more.. the conection is down for 5 days.. (I am in a university student home) I need to shape my conncetion so it whill stroop the conncetion when I get close to 10 GB.. Any one have an idea?
[04:34] <bob2> warcraft3: turn off bittorent
[04:34] <warcraft3> hehe
[04:34] <bob2> I can't imagine you can actually do 10GB/day of legit traffic
[04:34] <blackmoon> postfix version = 2.1.5-9
[04:34] <limaunion> warcraft3: move to another ISP ?
[04:34] <warcraft3> It is easy to do 10 GB, some ftp, some DC
[04:35] <bob2> "legit traffic"
[04:35] <warcraft3> No I dont think so.. I get T3 for 30 $ a month
[04:35] <AcidWolf> Legit meaning not warez
[04:35] <gabbana> Hey guys, does the most recent ubuntu 2.6 kernel has bluez enabled ?
[04:35] <daniels> and not mp3s
[04:35] <daniels> gabbana: yes
[04:35] <gabbana> Hrm,.. weird. Any reason why hciconfig won't show the device then?
[04:35] <airox> hcitool scan works ?
[04:36] <airox> /etc/init.d/bluez-utils start ?
[04:36] <airox> done that ?
[04:36] <gabbana> root@spalato:/home/gabbana # hcitool scan
[04:36] <gabbana> Device is not available: Success
[04:36] <warcraft3> So any one know how to shape not in bandwith but in trafic pr 24 hour?
[04:36] <njan> bob2, I can shift about half that with legit traffic without much difficulty.
[04:36] <blackmoon> lamont, postfix version = 2.1.5-9
[04:36] <gabbana> yea airox
[04:37] <warcraft3> And are there anything like a game repo for Ubuntu?
[04:37] <bob2> gabbana: that means the module isn't loaded
[04:37] <airox> warcraft3: use apt-cache search traffic shaper
[04:37] <bob2> gabbana: or your hardware isn't supported
[04:37] <airox> warcraft3: Yeah there are some games for ubuntu.
[04:37] <airox> warcraft3: Things like patience tetris etc..
[04:37] <black_Nightmare> airox what about transgaming?
[04:37] <gabbana> It worked with Sarge bob2 - so I was thinking it should work with hedgedog as well.
[04:37] <black_Nightmare> I keep wondering about trying that on ubuntu heh
[04:37] <airox> black_Nightmare: That costs.
[04:38] <bob2> gabbana: did it load the module sarge used?
[04:38] <warcraft3> Like there is univers, it should be one for games...
[04:38] <black_Nightmare> costs????
[04:38] <airox> black_Nightmare: You mean cedega ?
[04:38] <Skid> what is cedega?
[04:38] <Skid> i keep seeing it mentioned :)
[04:38] <arc_> Skid: brand new WineX
[04:38] <airox> warcraft3: apt-cache search games
[04:38] <bob2> Skid: yet another name for winex
[04:38] <Xappe> cedega, formerly known as wine x
[04:38] <gabbana> bob2, I apparently forgot the name of the module *blush* I thought it was bluez.
[04:39] <bob2> gabbana: I'm pretty sure bluez isn't a hardware module
[04:39] <airox> warcraft3: You can consider using cedega so you can play some games on linux which you could play in windows.
[04:39] <bob2> gabbana: mine's hci_usb
[04:39] <black_Nightmare> ohhhh winex...hmm
[04:39] <black_Nightmare> is there a site for cedega that I can look at? :p
[04:39] <AcidWolf> brb
[04:39] <warcraft3> Yes, but I think there are some good games for linux... but I cant compile em...
[04:39] <AcidWolf> reboot
[04:40] <airox> warcraft3: Enemy territorry ;)
[04:40] <bob2> black_Nightmare: www.transgaming.com
[04:40] <warcraft3> http://www.happypenguin.org/
[04:40] <bob2> warcraft3: if they're Free, they can just go in universe
[04:40] <warcraft3> many games that are on http://www.happypenguin.org/ are not in univers .... that is bad
[04:40] <bob2> warcraft3: so suggest they be packaged
[04:40] <black_Nightmare> bob2... transgaming=cedega you saying?
[04:41] <bob2> black_Nightmare: ? no.
[04:41] <bob2> that's the website of the company that sells winex
[04:41] <Jesterace> transgaming also does cedega
[04:41] <bob2> same thing
[04:41] <Jesterace> works decent enough
[04:41] <flyingsquirrel54> I tried compiling cedega on suse and broke wine completely I'm considering paying for a month to get it set up
[04:42] <black_Nightmare> hmm one interesting question...
[04:42] <airox> compiling cedega ?
[04:42] <black_Nightmare> ubuntu has less overhead than windows for the same basic tasks? (internet/etc)
[04:42] <airox> Is there a source of it ?
[04:42] <black_Nightmare> or am I wrong :p
[04:42] <bob2> airox: there's a broken non-free cvs repository of it
[04:42] <lamont> blackmoon: postfix_2.1.5-9ubuntu2?
[04:42] <lamont> or really -9?
[04:43] <airox> black_Nightmare: It can be.
[04:43] <bob2> black_Nightmare: depends what version of windows.  gnome's probably on-par with win2k
[04:43] <flyingsquirrel54> is it worth buying?
[04:43] <black_Nightmare> ah ok..ty anyhow
[04:43] <warcraft3> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/index.php?category=1
[04:43] <warcraft3> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/index.php?category=1 ... if you want Wine/Cedega... for free
[04:44] <flyingsquirrel54> is it worth paying for? anyone here bought it?
[04:45] <blackmoon> sorry, problem with a irc client (i write as a blind man - i can see nothing) i restart and come back....
[04:46] <flyingsquirrel54> i guess nobody has bought cedega...
[04:46] <warcraft3> flyingsquirrel54 , Yes it is fair to pay to, just pay for 3 months and you can use the versjon u have installed as long as u like...
[04:47] <flyingsquirrel54> yes, but does it work/ how is the service, I compiled and it didn't work. (I'm somewhat a newbie)
[04:47] <black_Nightmare> deltree been working away at one particular game folder for quite a very long time now
[04:47] <black_Nightmare> not sure if its stalled or just trying to delete tons of files :|
[04:48] <bob2> flyingsquirrel54: #cedega is a better place to ask
[04:48] <blackmoon> lamont: postifix 2.1.5-9ubuntu3
[04:48] <flyingsquirrel54> great didn't know it existed!
[04:49] <flyingsquirrel54> I installed warty on my pc at home, install had no errors, but the screen goes blank when it chages video modes.
[04:49] <flyingsquirrel54> same thing happened when I tried suse and redhat
[04:50] <flyingsquirrel54> not the video card cause I can use a normal monitor fine
[04:50] <flyingsquirrel54> oh, forgot to mention that the pc is connected to my big screen tv
[04:50] <lamont> blackmoon: what else printed before the 'postinst exited with 1' error?
[04:50] <lamont> and do you know what version of postfix you were coming from?
[04:52] <flyingsquirrel54> lindows (and windows, of course) work fine with the tv (sony wega36"HD)
[04:53] <_Demian_> wich p2p prog is use most bij linux users?
[04:53] <flyingsquirrel54> can anyone help me use my tv with ubuntu?
[04:54] <blackmoon> lamont:     E: postfix:  post-installation script return error code 1
[04:54] <lamont> blackmoon: yeah - before that
[04:54] <lamont> and after 'Setting up postfix ...'
[04:55] <blackmoon> nothing, i've got 2 error after the first error...
[04:55] <blackmoon> the errors are:
[04:56] <gabbana> Any ThinkPad T41p user here got bluetooth working?
[04:56] <blackmoon> E: mutt:  problems with dependences     ---     E: postfix-tls: problems with dependences
[04:57] <lamont> blackmoon: grumble
[04:58] <lamont> can you fire up a root terminal window and type some stuff for me?
[04:58] <bob2> gabbana: do you have bluetooth and hci_usb loaded?
[04:58] <blackmoon> yes, but just a moment..  i must logout again... come back soon
[04:58] <Skid> just installed warty.. is it worth my updateing to horay BEFORe setting up the nvidia stuff?
[04:58] <Skid> or after?
[04:59] <airox> after
[04:59] <airox> Anyone has a dell optiplex gx110 with an 82801AA AC'97 Audio controller ?
[04:59] <black_Nightmare> stupid question: can you cancel dos commands thats already running
[04:59] <black_Nightmare> or do they always have to finish first? LOL
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> hey, quick question, does ubuntu package / will ubuntu ever package Xgl?
[05:00] <airox> ubuntu doesn't seem to autodetect it ..
[05:00] <airox> Is there somewhere alsa-conf ?
[05:00] <gabbana> bob2, yea I have both loaded
[05:00] <gabbana> bluetooth              46340  7 hci_usb,rfcomm,l2cap
[05:02] <bob2> gabbana: and "hcitool dev" shows nothing?
[05:02] <gabbana> yea, nada
[05:02] <bob2> Quinn_Storm: maybe when it's usable
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> bob2: is it not usable yet then?  I don't mind running it within another X session, if that's the issue with it
[05:02] <flyingsquirrel54> can anyone help me use my tv with linux? screen goes black when switching video modes while booting
[05:03] <MyKq3> don't know but i wouldlove to know
[05:04] <exalted> I get message on Ubuntu installation: "Kill switch enabled on eth0". What is this?
[05:04] <rans> hi
[05:05] <black_Nightmare> stupid question: does ubuntu have dual-cpu support?
[05:05] <bob2> black_Nightmare: of course
[05:05] <black_Nightmare> hm....ty :p
[05:06] <blackmoon> lamont: tell me what i must do...
[05:06] <caffeine> just installed ubuntu for the first time,  most pain free linux install ive ever done
[05:07] <flyingsquirrel54> not that i'd recommend it as a distro but the install of lindows is super easy and super fast 10min. one question.
[05:07] <jack__> hi
[05:08] <lamont> blackmoon: dpkg -l postfix
[05:08] <jack__> is GVIM :(a)Gnome Vim or (b) GTK Vim?
[05:08] <lamont> er, dpkg --status postfix
[05:08] <jack__> or rather what are the differences between these two?
[05:08] <lamont> since the version won't fit :-)
[05:08] <lamont> jack__: ISTR gnome vim
[05:09] <lamont> not sure what the differences are
[05:09] <jack__> ok
[05:09] <jack__> thx
[05:09] <robl^> jack__: GNOME is built on top of GTK..  ig that helps..  all GNOE apps use GTK.. but not all GTK apps are GNOME.
[05:10] <blackmoon> ok, i've got the output.... but are you the mantainer?
[05:12] <trumpetmic> hi all... I'm new to ubuntu... can anyone help me mount my NTFS drive as read/write?
[05:12] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, i've got the output.... but are you the mantainer?
[05:12] <lamont> blackmoon: postfix is my baby, debian and ubuntui
[05:12] <mjr> trumpetmic, you can't do it in a useful way with free drivers
[05:12] <lamont> 2.1.5-9ubuntu3 for the version?
[05:12] <blackmoon> lamount: wow... great...
[05:12] <trumpetmic> mjr: what do you mean, in a useful way?
[05:12] <mjr> trumpetmic, you can use windows drivers on x86-linux with captive, which is non-newbie stuff, or you can buy an ntfs implementation, I don't recall where
[05:13] <blackmoon> lamount: yes, the version is 2.1.5-9ubuntu3
[05:13] <mjr> trumpetmic, basically the free drivers only support overwriting files without changing their size
[05:13] <mjr> trumpetmic, any other write support is unstable, due to not having documentation on how to do it properly
[05:13] <ssgtfu> hey new to and going to test it but a question: does ubuntu come with a cind of control center (i mean cind of yast from suse, or mcc from mandrake???)
[05:13] <trumpetmic> mjr: interesting... does captive come with the hoary live CD?
[05:14] <lamont> blackmoon: ok  and how recently was the last time you upgraded?
[05:14] <lamont> that is, are you coming from warty, or from fairly recent hoary?
[05:14] <mjr> trumpetmic, don't know; search with synaptic. If not, search with google
[05:14] <trumpetmic> mjr: i want to replace the contents of my system32 folder with the contents of my friends system32 folder... maybe instead of over-writing, I could delete mine and copy hers?
[05:14] <blackmoon> lamount: hoary, installed today...
[05:15] <blackmoon> lamont: hoary, installed today...
[05:15] <lamont> ok.
[05:15] <mjr> trumpetmic, you wouldn't be able to do that with the free drivers
[05:15] <bob2> trumpetmic: I'd really find another way to do that
[05:15] <lamont> and this is an upgrade from that, or during a fresh install?
[05:15] <bob2> surely there are windows boot disks
[05:15] <lamont> blackmoon: ^^
[05:15] <lamont> bob2: bootdisk.org, iirc
[05:15] <flyingsquirrel54> can anyone help me use my tv with ubuntu? screen goes black when switching video modes while booting, not the video card cause I can use a normal monitor fine
[05:16] <trumpetmic> mjr: hmmm... bummer
[05:16] <bob2> flyingsquirrel54: er, that doesn't show it's not a video card issue
[05:16] <trumpetmic> bob2: what other way is possible, other than putting my hard drive in her machine?
[05:16] <bob2> flyingsquirrel54: does X support tv-out on your card?
[05:16] <bob2> trumpetmic: surely you can boot windows from a cd or something?
[05:16] <lamont> blackmoon: and what vintage hoary?  preview disk? today's daily?  array 6?  array 7?  (and fresh install, or upgrade from what you had?)
[05:16] <trumpetmic> bob2: maybe, I'm not sure
[05:17] <lamont> blackmoon: installed from CD?
[05:17] <trumpetmic> I was hoping to be able to use Linux for this
[05:17] <lamont> blackmoon: if so, what does ls /media/cdrom/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_* say?
[05:17] <blackmoon> lamont: i've made a fresh install from cd and then i've upgraded the packages...
[05:17] <lamont> ok.
[05:17] <caffeine> is joe included with hoary?
[05:18] <lamont> blackmoon: then we want to grab the version number for the postfix on the CD - see the ls cmd above
[05:18] <bob2> caffeine: in the unsupported section, yes
[05:18] <caffeine> ok thnx
[05:18] <bob2> trumpetmic: youd have to use captive-ntfs then
[05:18] <derJunior> hi, why i can't use crontab?
[05:18] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, just a moment...
[05:18] <bob2> derJunior: you need to ask a far less vague question
[05:18] <mjr> trumpetmic, hmm, I seem to recall that the knoppix livecd had some easy captive-ntfs support; I don't know if that's so, but you might want to look into that
[05:18] <derJunior> i'm in the crontab group cron is running
[05:18] <bob2> you don't need to be in a crontab group
[05:19] <mjr> (if there's just the one thing you want to do with it)
[05:19] <lamont> derJunior: and shouldn't be in the crontab group
[05:19] <trumpetmic> mjr: yeah, I was able to install and configure captive on knoppix... I was never able to copy the files to my NTFS though
[05:19] <lamont> derJunior: what error message do you get?
[05:19] <blackmoon> lamont: /media/cdrom/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.1.5-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[05:19] <trumpetmic> maybe i'll try again with knoppix
[05:20] <derJunior> but it doesnt work anyway
[05:20] <derJunior> */5      *      *       *       *       /usr/local/bin/dyndns.sh >> /dev/null
[05:20] <bedboi> hi there
[05:20] <derJunior> lamont: no there isn't a error message (or i don't see one)
[05:20] <lamont> blackmoon: OK.  as root, run: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.postrm configure 2.1.5-9ubuntu2
[05:20] <trumpetmic> thanks all.  seeya
[05:20] <lamont> derJunior: and are cron entries showing up in /var/log/syslog?
[05:21] <derJunior> mom
[05:21] <bedboi> how to run the installer without rebooting? (i'm under linux btw)
[05:21] <bedboi> btw no HD filesystem is mounted
[05:22] <bedboi> any hint?
[05:22] <derJunior> lamont: yes they are
[05:22] <blackmoon> lamont: postrm called with unknown argument `configure'
[05:22] <lamont> blackmoon: &*)^)%&*^_& fat fingers.
[05:22] <lamont> blackmoon: OK.  as root, run: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.postionst configure 2.1.5-9ubuntu2
[05:22] <lamont> blackmoon: OK.  as root, run: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.postinst configure 2.1.5-9ubuntu2
[05:22] <bob2> bedboi: pretty sure that's not possible
[05:23] <bedboi> cool
[05:23] <lamont> derJunior: does it show your command getting executed?
[05:23] <bedboi> fuck
[05:23] <lamont> derJunior: and I assume you created that crontab with crontab -e or crontab filename, yes>?
[05:23] <bedboi> this usb cd-rom doesn't seem to boot
[05:23] <lamont> bedboi: possible is such a liberal word....\
[05:23] <derJunior> yes
[05:24] <derJunior> lamont: i get the error in my mailbox /var/mail...
[05:24] <lamont> derJunior: and the error says?
[05:24] <derJunior> /bin/sh: /usr/local/bin/dyndns.sh^M: No such file or directory
[05:24] <derJunior> but there isn't an ^M
[05:24] <derJunior> in crontab -e
[05:24] <lamont> ah, lose the windoze end-of-lines on your file
[05:24] <lamont> crontab -e and fix the line
[05:24] <bedboi> i'm out of ideas
[05:25] <blackmoon> lamont: *stfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running[fail]      invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed.
[05:25] <lamont> bedboi: it's very problematic.  basically, you play installer, and it's no fun.
[05:25] <lamont> blackmoon: sigh...  give me a minute
[05:25] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, no problem...
[05:26] <derJunior> lamont: how can i fix it?
[05:26] <lamont> derJunior: get rid of the ^M in either /usr/local/bin/dyndns.sh, or in the crontab entry - wherever it is...  what editor are you using?
[05:27] <derJunior> vim
[05:27] <lamont> blackmoon: ok.  /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.preinst upgrade 2.1.5-9ubuntu2
[05:27] <flyingsquirrel54> bob2: sorry didn't see your response what do you mean by "does X support tv-out on your card?"
[05:27] <lamont> blackmoon: and then /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.postinst configure 2.1.5-9ubuntu2
[05:27] <flyingsquirrel54> i assumed that if it supports it it supports it.
[05:28] <bob2> flyingsquirrel54: ?
[05:28] <bob2> flyingsquirrel54: does it support it at all?
[05:28] <flyingsquirrel54> also, lindows works fine on it.
[05:28] <flyingsquirrel54> yes
[05:28] <bob2> there you go
[05:28] <bob2> ask on the user list
[05:28] <derJunior> lamont: my problem is: when i edit crontab wiht crontab -e there isn't an ^M
[05:29] <flyingsquirrel54> which user list is that? of the card or of X
[05:29] <bob2> flyingsquirrel54: ubuntu-user
[05:29] <black_Nightmare> ok hd almost all empty now
[05:29] <black_Nightmare> just shut down to let hd cool off a bit for now
[05:29] <MyKq3> i m about to install kde on my Ubuntu whish me luck :)
[05:29] <lamont> derJunior: what about in /usr/local/bin/dyndns.sh?
[05:29] <Riddell> MyKq3: good luck!
[05:30] <flyingsquirrel54> i see. I had the same issue with suse.
[05:30] <cm> hi, I've just apt-get dist-upgrade 'd with horay in my sources.list.. i dont really notice anything different and in /etc/X11 XF86config-4 is still there? someone told me horay has xorg?
[05:30] <derJunior> lamont: when i start the script manual it works perfectly
[05:30] <bob2> cm: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[05:30] <blackmoon> lamont: i've got the same error :-(
[05:30] <MyKq3> thanks
[05:30] <Skid`> bob2, I'm using gnome atm ?
[05:30] <befrok> hello? anybody knows about SCIM? is it included in Ubuntu?
[05:30] <Skid`> so I guess so
[05:30] <bob2> Skid`: no, go check
[05:30] <bob2> befrok: you can check that yourself
[05:30] <lamont> blackmoon: and nothing else?
[05:31] <bob2> befrok: (yes)
[05:31] <derJunior> lamont: hmkay antother great error :)
[05:31] <keizer> Ubuntu didn't ask me for a root password!
[05:31] <derJunior> Subject: Cron <lkerscher@pc-leo> /usr/local/bin/dyndns.sh >> /dev/null^M
[05:31] <lamont> keizer: exactly
[05:31] <bob2> keizer: please read the FAQ
[05:31] <derJunior> /bin/sh: /dev/null^M: Permission denied
[05:31] <Skid`> bob2, yes its the newest version
[05:31] <bob2> keizer: or wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:31] <bob2> Skid`: then you have x.org installed
[05:32] <Skid`> erm, well wheres the config ?
[05:32] <Skid`> or is there a command to show the version?
[05:32] <blackmoon> lamont: no, i've got some others info.... wait...
[05:32] <keizer> Site Error
[05:32] <keizer> An error was encountered while publishing this resource.
[05:32] <keizer> The site isn't working
[05:32] <Skid`> there's no xorg related command
[05:32] <Skid`> its still XFree
[05:32] <RupertSw> Can anyone help me? I'm happily using ubuntu on my desktop + have just installed it on my laptop, which thinks the networking's ok, but can't ping anyone!
[05:32] <lamont> blackmoon: the other output is what I needed...
[05:32] <bob2> keizer: oh well, read the FAQ then
[05:33] <keizer> Where?
[05:33] <bob2> Skid`: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[05:33] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: is your interface up?
[05:33] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: ifconfig
[05:33] <knewt> keizer: which site isn't working? the wiki is working fine
[05:33] <lamont> keizer: the root password is disabled, and the initial user has sudo privs
[05:33] <arc_> how do I subscribe to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:33] <Skid`> No packages found matching xserver-xorg.
[05:33] <blackmoon> Postfix configuration was untouched.  If you need to make changes, edit /etc/postfix/main.cf (and others) as needed.  To view Postfix configuration
[05:33] <blackmoon> values, see postconf(1).
[05:33] <blackmoon> After modifying main.cf, be sure to run '/etc/init.d/postfix reload'.
[05:33] <blackmoon> Running newaliases
[05:33] <blackmoon>  * Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent...
[05:33] <blackmoon>  *stfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running[fail] 
[05:33] <blackmoon> invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed.
[05:33] <Burgundavia> arc_: www.ubuntu.com --> right hand side lists mailing lists
[05:33] <Jesterace> woot scite in hoary repo :D
[05:34] <arc_> Burgundavia: thanks
[05:34] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Yes. ifconfig shows it with the same settings as the PC, save the last triplet in the inet addr line of course.
[05:34] <bob2> Skid`: then you're not using hoary
[05:34] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: can you ping your pc?
[05:34] <bob2> knewt: the website is screwed
[05:34] <Skid`> I changed all instances of warty in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary..
[05:34] <Skid`> do i need to enable universe?
[05:34] <bob2> Skid`: no
[05:34] <Skid`> or update the kernel, it's a fresh warty install
[05:34] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Nope. The light on the hub flashes (corresponding to the laptop), but nothing else happens and i get an error:
[05:34] <bob2> Skid`: did you forget to run "apt-get update"?
[05:34] <Skid`> yes
[05:35] <Skid`> and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:35] <keizer> LMAO
[05:35] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, "Destination Host Unreachable"
[05:35] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: is this a static or dynamic address?
[05:35] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Static.
[05:35] <bob2> Skid`: then you did something else wrong
[05:35] <bob2> no idea what
[05:35] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: check your subnet?
[05:35] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: they need to be the same
[05:35] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, how?
[05:35] <lamont> blackmoon: /etc/init.d/postfix stop
[05:36] <lamont> blackmoon: then run the postinst again
[05:36] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: how did you set it?
[05:36] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Is that the 'mask' one? In which case, they're both 192.168.0.255
[05:36] <Skid`>   linux-restricted-modules-386
[05:36] <Skid`>  is the only module that was kept bck
[05:36] <Skid`> back
[05:36] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: ???
[05:36] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: they should both be 255.255.255.0
[05:37] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: 192.168.0.255 is the broadcast address for the subnet 192.168.0.0
[05:37] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Ooops. yes they are, sorry - can't read!
[05:37] <keizer> OMG this is such a lame hack
[05:37] <keizer> I like using root
[05:37] <androxxl> hello, i have one problem if anyone can solve it ?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: ok, so the subnets are correct. check to make certain that the gateway is correct on both machines
[05:37] <Kamion> keizer: set the root password, then ('sudo passwd root'); it's just a default
[05:37] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: should be something like 192.168.0.1
[05:38] <bob2> keizer: er, so, set a password?
[05:38] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Yep, It's the same, but surely irrelevant if I'm trying to ping within the subnet?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> androxxl: what you need help with
[05:38] <keizer> Kamion, I'm trying to use Sudo and it says my user is not in the sudoers file
[05:38] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: can you dump the results of ifconfig on both machines to #flood please?
[05:38] <lamont> keizer: I just say 'sudo -s' for my root window needs...
[05:38] <androxxl> my integrated sound ac97' sound card doesn't work
[05:38] <lamont> keizer: or do you like to login as root?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> androxxl: hmm
[05:38] <Burgundavia> androxxl: what does dmesg say?
[05:38] <keizer> keizer@LinuxLaptop:~$ sudo -s
[05:38] <keizer> keizer is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[05:38] <androxxl> just a sec
[05:39] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Sorry not easy, as the laptop has no ethernet + thus is not on the internet.
[05:39] <keizer> This is my one and only user
[05:39] <Kamion> keizer: erm; is that a fresh install? did anything funny happen during the install?
[05:39] <keizer> It went just fine
[05:39] <Kamion> from what CD?
[05:39] <lamont> keizer: initial user should be in the sudoers file
[05:39] <blackmoon> lamont: then i must run also "postfix.preinst upgrade 2.1.5-9ubuntu2" ?
[05:40] <lamont> blackmoon: just the postinst
[05:40] <lamont> (the preinst should have stopped it...)
[05:40] <shmoolik> to install kde i just sudo apt-get install kde , m i  right ?
[05:40] <bob2> shmoolik: kubuntu-desktop
[05:40] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, no errors this time...
[05:40] <keizer> Jesus
[05:40] <keizer> I gave Ubuntu three tries
[05:41] <Kamion> keizer: you could certainly boot in recovery mode and repair it, though
[05:41] <keizer> It let me down on the wireless and so much.
[05:41] <Kamion> keizer: again, from what CD?
[05:41] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Ah. Didn't notice, but the laptop's one doesn't say RUNNING.
[05:41] <keizer> Hoary
[05:41] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, How do you change this?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: does it say up?
[05:41] <Kamion> keizer: Hoary has not been released. What test CD did you use?
[05:41] <shmoolik> sudo apt-get install kububtu-desktop ?
[05:41] <shmoolik> bob2
[05:41] <Kamion> keizer: there are a *lot* of possibilities
[05:41] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Yes: UP BROADCAST MULTICAST
[05:41] <lamont> keizer: at least one a day, pretty much
[05:41] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: does dmesg give you anything?
[05:41] <bob2> shmoolik: however you normally install packages
[05:42] <shmoolik> thanks
[05:42] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, What should I be grepping for?
[05:42] <keizer> Kamion,  I downloaded it two days ago
[05:42] <jordanau> if i minimized something to zyztem tray and it doesn't show up, is there a restore or maximize terminal commnad?
[05:42] <keizer> This is nonsense to use sudo. I used it once at a place I worked and didn't like it.
[05:42] <keizer> I like being able to use root.
[05:42] <lamont> blackmoon: grumble... did you do any postfix configuration changes after the install, or is this just a 'fresh install, then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[05:42] <Kamion> keizer: so a daily build, or a preview, or Array CD 7, or what?
[05:42] <keizer> What do I type in recovery mode to fix this?
[05:42] <keizer> Kamion, Preview
[05:42] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Both PC and laptop complain that no IPv6 routers are present, but presumably that doesn't matter.
[05:43] <Kamion> keizer: 'passwd root' and set a root password
[05:43] <keizer> CarlK told me to download it heh
[05:43] <Kamion> keizer: then you can use su all you want
[05:43] <keizer> Thanks
[05:43] <Kamion> keizer: impressive, I've installed preview lots and never saw that bug
[05:43] <garrut> or sudo -s
[05:43] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: no, that shouldn't matter
[05:43] <keizer> BRB guys
[05:43] <lamont> keizer: the contents of /etc/sudoers would be interesting
[05:43] <Kamion> it would not have been released if that had happened to any of us
[05:43] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, But the PC one (different hardware by the way) says 'promiscuous mode enables' and laptop doesn't
[05:43] <Kamion> keizer: yes, what lamont said
[05:43] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: look for eth0
[05:43] <Kamion> bah
[05:43] <linowin> Hi all
[05:43] <jordanau> yhi
[05:43] <shmoolik> does  any one knows y my xmms shows me all the songs time with astronomic numbers ?
[05:44] <jordanau> counterstrike 'y" i hate that...
[05:44] <linowin> I have a big problem wuth Ubuntu Install AMD X64
[05:44] <jordanau> yeah after it plays one it should get the correct time
[05:44] <lamont> Kamion: maybe we need 2 names for releases...  then we know when they're running the unreleased hoary :-)
[05:44] <Beirdo> make the unreleased "whorey"
[05:44] <Beirdo> :)
[05:44] <linowin> "HAL fail to initialize " so no USB key recognized and no CDROM
[05:44] <Kamion> lamont: early breezy, I'm going to put an evolution-like "you know this is alpha software, right?" first screen in the installer
[05:45] <Kamion> somehow
[05:45] <jordanau> shmoolik, it should get the right times after the songs are played mine used to do the same thing, all songs about 30 min right?
[05:45] <bung__> Beirdo: wonder how the desktops will reflect that...
[05:45] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Do you know whether I need to enable promiscuous mode (or what it does for that matter!) ?
[05:45] <lamont> Kamion: _A_QUESTION_?????? :-)
[05:45] <Kamion> lamont: yup
[05:45] <zooko> Kamion: the fact that Ubuntu has a timeline for future releases should make that "you know" notice much cooler.
[05:45] <blackmoon> lamont: yes, fresh install... then i've run synaptic, the first time i've got no error, the second time the errors...
[05:45] <zooko> Oh, I don't think it should be a questions.  Just a note.
[05:45] <Kamion> lamont: Mark's edict only applies to final releases, as far as I'm concerned :)
[05:45] <linowin> The Weardest is that Live CD X64 Is Doing Great without thses problems
[05:45] <Kamion> zooko: "question" is a technical term here; the question type would indeed by "note
[05:46] <Kamion> er, 'be "note"'
[05:46] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: promiscus mode for packet capturing and analyzing
[05:46] <lamont> Kamion: lokl
[05:46] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: not needed for day to day running
[05:46] <zooko> linowin: I have Ubuntu on Athlon64 here.
[05:46] <linowin> Has anyone an idea to solve this problem ?
[05:46] <lamont> blackmoon: ok.  I'll work on tracking it down
[05:46] <linowin> Yes Zooko ?
[05:47] <shmoolik> jordanau,  not realy ... i talking about some thingy like 1000 Minz +/-
[05:47] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Hmm. The PC's one says 'link up' explicitly, but the laptop's doesn't, even though under ifconfig it says it is. Could this just be a different driver?
[05:47] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, if do you need a tester, i'm available...
[05:48] <linowin> UBUNTU is far the best distribution of linux i tryed but Don t manage to get the CDROM and USB " Fail to initialize"
[05:48] <jordanau> shmoolik, when you play the song the time doesn't get fixed?
[05:48] <shmoolik> u can c here the problem http://img209.exs.cx/img209/9354/screenshot5sn.jpg
[05:48] <Keizer> I'm booted into recovery mode
[05:48] <Keizer> I expected to be at a console right now
[05:48] <shmoolik> jordanau,
[05:48] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Oh, and the RX/TX packets have stayed at zero even though I have successfully pinged myself through the 192.168.0.24 address. Does that just get routed through 127.0.0.1?
[05:48] <Keizer> Instead i'm at a desktop
[05:48] <shmoolik> jordanau,  no....
[05:49] <Keizer> I did passwd root and of course I did sudo -s passwd root
[05:49] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: 127.0.0.1 is for loopback
[05:49] <Keizer> Both times I get different errors
[05:49] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: so no
[05:49] <Keizer> Totally bad experience
[05:50] <blackmoon> lamont: now, can i run synaptic for the updates, or it's a bad idea?
[05:50] <lamont> blackmoon: I can't reproduce it...
[05:50] <Keizer> This is my second install of Ubuntu
[05:50] <Lynxx> sup guys
[05:50] <lamont> blackmoon: we've done nothing bad, in the course of things
[05:50] <Keizer> Last time I re-installed because I didn't have root and thought I missed something.
[05:50] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, So why does pinging myself through the 192.168 address not give me RX and TX packets on that link?
[05:50] <lamont> blackmoon: so yes, all should be good.
[05:50] <Keizer> turns out this uses Sudo which is the Debian way
[05:50] <ka_ka> Keizer, er is geen root
[05:50] <lamont> Keizer: what does /etc/sudoers have in it?
[05:50] <Skid`> i dont understand what the multiverse stuff is, non - free software? do you have to pay for it?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: have you checked the cable and connnections?
[05:51] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, tell me what i must do...
[05:51] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, I'll plonk it into another one.
[05:51] <lamont> Skid`: it's stuff that you probably want to read the license for
[05:51] <Keizer> tail /etc/sudoers
[05:51] <Keizer> tail: cannot open `/etc/sudoers' for reading: Permission denied
[05:51] <lamont> blackmoon: you are free to run synaptic.
[05:51] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: try swapping the cables too
[05:51] <lamont> all we did was play dpkg a bit...
[05:51] <lamont> so you may need to finally say 'dpkg --configure -a' to make everything happy
[05:52] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, No. Still 'Destination Host Unreachable' .
[05:52] <lamont> Keizer: yeah - you'll need to be root to read it...
[05:52] <Keizer> So this install went bad
[05:52] <Keizer> This is like my third install
[05:52] <linowin> HAS anyone have knowledge in "HAL" ??
[05:53] <ka_ka> Keizer u have to use sudo
[05:53] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, i've understand it... i mean tell me what i can do for help you...
[05:53] <Kamion> ka_ka: no you don't, not if you set the root password.
[05:53] <ka_ka> ok
[05:53] <Kamion> ka_ka: the fact that using sudo is the default does not mean that other approaches are unsupported
[05:53] <lamont> blackmoon: well, you could reinstall to see if you can reproduce it.
[05:53] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Yes, and I just swapped the cable that I'm using to send this to the one that was on the connection that wasn't working, so it's not that!
[05:54] <lamont> blackmoon: you could downgrade postfix to the verison on the CD and see if re-upgrading hits it..
[05:54] <Keizer> ka_ka,  I tried with Sudo heh
[05:54] <Kamion> Keizer: well, the *really* recovery-mode approach is to boot with init=/bin/sh; that definitely won't take you to a desktop
[05:54] <Keizer> sudo -s tail /etc/sudoers
[05:54] <Keizer> keizer is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[05:54] <lamont> blackmoon: although, if it's only from that version, i'm not horrified...
[05:54] <ka_ka> ja,Keizer
[05:54] <Kamion> Keizer: I'm mystified by why your installation is so utterly screwed though
[05:54] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: it must be something simple that I am not seeing
[05:54] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: have you run 'dmesg | grep eth0'
[05:54] <lamont> Keizer: any chance of 8-bit characters in your username?
[05:54] <Keizer> Everything works. This is not common Linux tough. Sudo I wasn't expecting, I was hoping Ubuntu would have improve over Debian.
[05:55] <Keizer> "keizer"
[05:55] <httpdss> when is monodevelop 0.6 going to be available for hoary ??
[05:55] <Kamion> Keizer: yes, we've got the idea that you don't like sudo by now :-)
[05:55] <ka_ka> Keizer,but u can make a root passwd with sudo passwd root
[05:55] <Kamion> ka_ka: not if sudo doesn't work, he can't
[05:55] <Keizer> I tried that
[05:55] <lamont> httpdss: is there a lower rev monodevelop in hoary?
[05:55] <linowin> Please, at least answer me saying that you can t help me :(
[05:55] <Keizer> Jesus, I just want a descent linux
[05:56] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Yes. There's just 'using hotplug firmware load', a pci address and 'no IPV6 routers present' x 2
[05:56] <Keizer> Fedora kinda blows, I don't want to use it but I know it will work and have root.
[05:56] <Keizer> Gentoo will take all day to build
[05:56] <Kamion> Keizer: you can boot with init=/bin/sh and clean up
[05:56] <ka_ka> Keizer, #ubuntu-nl
[05:56] <lamont> linowin: several people know about hal (but not me) - what's the question?
[05:56] <httpdss> lamont: yes 0.5.1
[05:56] <WhiteRabbit> Keizer, what are you looking for in a distro to do for you.
[05:56] <linowin> Thanks lamont
[05:56] <Keizer> I'm a web developer
[05:56] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: is there a dhcp server somewhere on your network?
[05:57] <Keizer> I like to use Apache, MySQL, PHP and Eclipse IDE
[05:57] <lamont> httpdss: then expect monodevelop 0.6 to enter the archive once (a) it's available, and (b) breezy opens.
[05:57] <Keizer> On Gnome
[05:57] <lamont> hoary will have 0.5.1
[05:57] <Keizer> What a nightmare
[05:57] <Keizer> I wanted my system going this morning
[05:57] <blackmoon> lamont: ok, i'll try to do it...  you are always in this channel?
[05:57] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, No. Is there a way to bring down the interface and then up again? That might show error messages?
[05:57] <lamont> httpdss: although I rather expect that someone will backport it to hoary, for whatever reaso
[05:57] <lamont> blackmoon: it's in my default list, so yes.
[05:57] <Keizer> ka_ka, Ok, i'm there heh
[05:57] <CarlK> I have a wifi pccard that doesn't seem to be supported - is there a way I can get it's mac ?
[05:57] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: 'sudo ifdown eth0'
[05:58] <Keizer> Kamion,  How can I clean up?
[05:58] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: 'sudo ifup eth0'
[05:58] <Kamion> Keizer: I'd really rather like to find out what's broken here so that we can fix it, but I can only do that if you can boot with init=/bin/sh and tell me what's in /etc/sudoers
[05:58] <httpdss> lamont: ok, thx
[05:58] <Kamion> Keizer: well, setting a root password after booting with init=/bin/sh would be one way :)
[05:58] <Kamion> then reboot
[05:58] <CPUnerd> how can I remove the soundcard from the menu.lst args ?
[05:58] <CarlK> hey Keizer - sleep well?
[05:58] <CPUnerd> pci=noacpi ?
[05:58] <CPUnerd> live cd
[05:58] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Thanks. But I get absolutely nothing new from dmesg at all.
[05:58] <Keizer> Kamion, Ok, so just change the boot options on recovery mode?
[05:58] <blackmoon> lamont: ok... thanks for all... see you later...
[05:58] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Shouldn't it be saying something?
[05:59] <Kamion> Keizer: right
[05:59] <Keizer> CarlK, I slept just fine.
[05:59] <Keizer> I wake up to find I can't use root
[05:59] <Kamion> Keizer: I'm a bit concerned that recovery mode took you to a desktop, but I consider that a secondary problem :)
[05:59] <WhiteRabbit> Keizer, just stick with ubuntu give it time to work for you the way your wanting it. :) raod maps take time.
[05:59] <CarlK> ugh
[06:00] <Keizer> Ok guys, BRB
[06:00] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: no
[06:00] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Ok, it's just that the driver on the PC chucks out loads of messages 'link up' 'link down' etc.
[06:01] <caffeine> does flash work in ubuntu?
[06:01] <bung__> assuming you mean usb cards etc, yes.
[06:01] <bung__> oh no, other flash, still yes.
[06:01] <caffeine> i mean flash as in the web graphics
[06:02] <rapha> What's this?
[06:02] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, AArgh! Even route outputs exactly the same thing. The reason I'm so confused is that the light on the hub flashes, so surely the laptop's at least sending _something_ through the eth0 port?
[06:02] <bob2> caffeine: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:03] <saik0> good morning #ubuntu
[06:03] <AcidWolf> has anyone had any issues with Totem-xine eg.it runs really slowly and the CPU usage goes up by a hell of alot
[06:03] <rapha> I install Zapping, don't see it in the menu, say "killall gnome-panel", it doesn't load properly, I log out and back in, get ten times the message that there was already a panel although there isn't one, open a terminal, killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel and get some stuff like "(gnome-panel:18588): Bonobo-WARNING **: Component must be associated with a container first see bonobo_component_set_container" and "** (gnome-panel:18588): WARNING *
[06:03] <rapha> *: Die AppletShell-Applet-Befehlszeilenschnittstelle konnte nicht vom Bedienelement abgerufen werden"???!
[06:04] <AcidWolf> it looks as if it lags and plays the dvd frame by frame making it very irritating to watch
[06:04] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, Most irritating is that redhat FC2 got it working on it's own - it was just horribly sluggish so I wanted a move :)
[06:04] <bob2> rapha: random applications won't show up in the menu
[06:05] <Burgundavia> RupertSw: so you don't have a dhcp server on the subnet?
[06:05] <rapha> bob2: zapping has a .desktop file. But that isn't my problem. My problem is that gnome-panel doesn't load anymore.
[06:05] <RupertSw> Burgundavia, No.
[06:05] <linowin> Please has anyone any knowledge in HAL ?
[06:05] <rapha> (And I'm pretty sure Zapping has nothing to do with it, because it is a TV watching application that doesn't even have a panel applet)
[06:06] <Vjaz> Anyone here know anything about flickr.com?
[06:06] <_d4vid> hi all
[06:06] <saik0> I broke Gnome >_< Is there any way to remove session info from a user? I cant login anymore (to gnome anyhow)
[06:06] <bob2> linowin: best to just ask your question
[06:06] <Vjaz> I've been bumping into it in blogs and things.
[06:06] <linowin> UBUNTU is far the best distribution of linux i tryed but Don t manage to get the CDROM and USB " Fail to initialize"
[06:06] <bob2> linowin: best to ask on the list
[06:06] <Vjaz> Am now looking at some pics there, and I hate it, because it seems like it requires Macromedia Flash to work, which sucks very much because it's just showing pictures.
[06:07] <linowin> "Fail  to initialize HAL" in Install version, No problem in LIVECD
[06:08] <linowin> Why HAl Works on LiveCD and not in Install version ?
[06:08] <Vjaz> Which versions?
[06:08] <linowin> 5,04 X64
[06:08] <Vjaz> 5.04 is not stable yet, so it's likely that the install version and livecd you've got aren't the same.
[06:08] <linowin> LiveCD ok, Install CD fails to initialize HAL
[06:09] <bob2> linowin: don't /msg people
[06:09] <bob2> linowin: the user list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[06:09] <cyano> hello world
[06:09] <Lynxx> sup cyano
[06:09] <linowin> hi cyano
[06:09] <cyano> i'm french
[06:09] <linowin> So is there anyway to install the LiveCD version ?
[06:09] <Vjaz> linowin: 5.04 will be stable 4th of April. You should try again then. It's likely that the install version you have happened to be broken at the time the installer was made, and the livecd wasn't. It'll probably be fixed by the time it's stable.
[06:10] <bob2> linowin: no
[06:10] <linowin> It s pity ! can t use CDROm :(
[06:10] <Keizer> Ok guys
[06:10] <Keizer> I got root
[06:10] <Keizer> Now I need to add my user to Sudo
[06:11] <linowin> So you tell me there s nothing to do ?
[06:11] <shmoolik> DAMN THE NEW KDE KICKASS
[06:11] <Vjaz> linowin: Ubuntu 5.04 is not finished yet, so alas, you'll probably have to wait. Is it the preview install CD you're using?
[06:11] <Keizer> KDE blows ass
[06:11] <shmoolik> damn right !~
[06:12] <airox> Is there some way I can add all shoutcast servers to rhytmbox ?
[06:12] <linowin> Yes vjaz it is the preview for both live and Install version
[06:12] <Keizer> I just edited the sudoers file
[06:13] <bob2> airox: all of them in the world? no.
[06:13] <Kamion> Keizer: should probably look like 'keizer ALL=(ALL) ALL' as the last line of /etc/sudoers
[06:13] <Lynxx> gnome=OSx desktop, KDE=Windoes desktop
[06:13] <Keizer> Kamion, Ahead of you
[06:13] <Kamion> Vjaz: (that's 6th April, btw
[06:13] <Kamion> )
[06:13] <Keizer> I'm already getting updates heh
[06:13] <Hackmo> hey all, can someone help me with my flash plugin problem?
[06:13] <airox> bob2: Well some guide, like showing a list categorized in genre etc
[06:13] <Kamion> Keizer: so was that line totally missing?
[06:13] <Kamion> not just broken or something?
[06:13] <Keizer> Sure was
[06:13] <Lynxx> whats the prob hackmoL?
[06:13] <Kamion> Keizer: impressive
[06:14] <riccardo> hi all, i've got quite a stupid question to ask.. anyway: is it possible to change the bpp or modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf under ubuntu live?
[06:14] <Keizer> The last line said: root ALL=(ALL)
[06:14] <zooko> 
 So the Ubuntu standard MTA is postfix, right?
[06:14] <zooko> * zooko is trying to set up mail.
 wrongchan
 use exim4, it's more awesome
[06:14] <zooko> ERC>
[06:14] <Hackmo> I installed the flash plugin for mozila from apt-get but it didn't work
[06:14] <Keizer> Thanks for your help guys
[06:14] <Keizer> CarlK, I now have sudo
[06:14] <Keizer> I'll hang around in here now
[06:14] <linowin> So thanks evreybody, if i undertood you, i ll have to wait for final version to solve the problem ( hoping it will) :)
[06:14] <Hackmo> Lynxx: I installed the flash plugin for mozilla from apt-get but it didn't work
[06:15] <Keizer> Even thought i'm an EFNET wh0re
[06:15] <black_Nightmare> brb going try make iso into cd's :p
[06:15] <zooko> Hm.  apt-listbugs tells me that the latest postfix has bugs...
[06:15] <Hackmo> lynxx: also when I click the "look for plugins" option that comes up in firefox I get a parse error
[06:15] <Kamion> Keizer: and you entered 'keizer' as your username during the installer, before the first reboot, right?
[06:15] <Lynxx> parse error?O.o...hrm never encountered that before
[06:16] <Keizer> Kamion, This happened to me twice.
[06:16] <Keizer> Kamion, I did
[06:16] <Hackmo> Lynxx: It's only started happening to me since I started using the latest version of firefox
[06:16] <lamont> zooko: what bugs?
[06:16] <Lynxx> hrm
[06:16] <zooko> grave bugs of postfix (2.1.5-4ubuntu1 -> 2.1.5-9ubuntu3) <open>
[06:16] <zooko>  #294207 - experimental postfix does not work - smtpd: bad command startup ...
[06:16] <zooko>  #295439 - postfix: postfix in experimental fails to install
[06:17] <Kamion> Keizer: if you could mail /var/log/installer/* to me (cjwatson@ubuntu.com), I'd appreciate it
[06:17] <Lynxx> did you try it on plain mozilla?
[06:17] <lamont> zooko: 249207 is against 2.2 somethign from experimental
[06:17] <Hackmo> lynxx: I just restarted firefox and the error seems to be gone from the "check for plugins" but I still get it when I try to download from macromedia or sun
[06:17] <Hackmo> lynxx: no
[06:17] <Keizer> Kamion, No problem
[06:17] <lamont> zooko: as is 295439
[06:17] <zooko> lamont: thanks.
[06:18] <Lynxx> check and see if you get the error with reg. mozilla
[06:18] <zooko> However, I've already installed postfix-tls from warty.
[06:18] <Kamion> Keizer: thanks
[06:18] <lamont> zooko: no bugs in hoary's postfix (modulo whatever the hell blackmoon ran into that I need to deal with...)
[06:18] <lamont> zooko: ok.
[06:18] <lamont> hoary's is better.
[06:18] <Hackmo> Lynxx: how to access regular mozilla?
[06:19] <tola> I'm trying to boot the hoary preview live cd on a 20" G5 iMac and it says it can't detect a CD-ROM drive. Any suggestions?
[06:19] <Lynxx> man i wish i wasnt in class right now on a win machine
[06:19] <airox> Does somebody knows a nice music mixing program for linux ?
[06:19] <Lynxx> uhm cant tell ya off the top of my head Hackmo
[06:19] <Hackmo> lynxx: I tried just typing "mozilla" into the terminal but it brought up firefox
[06:19] <derJunior> hi
[06:19] <derJunior> i'm back again
[06:20] <da_bon_bon> hiya all
[06:20] <tola> airox: take a look at http://bloodshed.net/wired/
[06:20] <tola> airox: good luck getting it working though
[06:20] <airox> :)
[06:20] <derJunior> i have a little Problem: If i edit crontab with crontab -e (vim) at the end of the line i get an ^M! (can i see in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/lkerscher)
[06:20] <derJunior> why do i write in dos mode?
[06:21] <zooko> So, I've googled and googled, but I can't find some doc that tells me "The Ubuntu Way To Fetch Your E-mail From IMAP/POP/POP3 And Stuff It Into Local Store And Read It".
[06:22] <Coutsos> How can I install the source for the 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel? (not compile)
[06:22] <tola> zooko: have you tried using evolution? I use Mozilla Tunderbird myself
[06:23] <zooko> Oh, so there isn't An Ubuntu Way to fetch your e-mail and stuff it into a local store where I can read it with my preferred, non-standard, cmdlineoriented tools, such as "grep".
[06:23] <airox> zooko: fetchmail ?
[06:23] <Lynxx> Hackmo, http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html
[06:23] <zooko> airox: I have used fetchmail for years, on Debian.  I guess I should just do the same on Ubuntu?
[06:24] <Hackmo> lynxx: thanks
[06:24] <zooko> I read this page saying that Ubuntu should always use maildir format in ~/.maildir, so I thought maybe I should learn something about new tools before plunging ahead with my normal old fetchmail and nmh.
[06:24] <zooko> However, I really do not want to use evolution or another point-and-drool interface.
[06:24] <zooko> I already have my e-mail on Mac, and the reason I am going to all this effort is to get away from that point-and-drool stuff and get my e-mail back under my own control.  ;-)
[06:25] <CPUnerd> use Thunderbird
[06:25] <Lynxx> did it work Hackmo?
[06:26] <Hackmo> i'm still reading it
[06:26] <akk> zooko: offlineimap can pull mail from an imap server into maildir format, if you really want to try maildir.
[06:27] <Lynxx> also hackmo http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7760.html
[06:27] <nubbe> I've tried kubuntu for a little while, but now I did a "remove kubuntu-desktop", I still got a lot of K-aps running (like khelper, kacpid and so on)
[06:28] <bob2> zooko: offlineimap is excellent if you want your mail in more than one place
[06:28] <bob2> zooko: and tons faster than fetchmail
[06:28] <cef> maildir is good in some ways, and sucks in others
[06:28] <nubbe> I've rebooted and chnged to gdm
[06:28] <bob2> nubbe: kacpid at least is a kernel thread
[06:28] <bob2> nubbe: if you login to gnome, no kde stuff should be started
[06:28] <nubbe> ach so  :)
[06:28] <nubbe> bob2, thanks
[06:28] <akk> offlineimap worked pretty well for me, but I gave it up because of bad interactions between uw-imapd, offlineimap and mutt.
[06:29] <akk> Not sure which one was at fault, but the combination was frustrating.
[06:29] <bob2> uw-imapd is a terrible imap server, tho
[06:29] <akk> Yeah, so I hear.
[06:29] <cef> yes. yes it is
[06:29] <bob2> plus it uses mbox, which is always going to suck
[06:29] <caffeine> how do i add packages?  and when i d/l what dir/  do i place them in for packages
[06:29] <bob2> (locking-wise)
[06:29] <akk> The mail server is woody, and I wasn't happy with any of the imapd options there.
[06:29] <bob2> caffeine: you just install using synaptic
[06:29] <bob2> caffeine: you don't usually need to download them manually
[06:29] <caffeine> ok
[06:29] <bob2> akk: backports.org has dovecot packages, fwiw
[06:30] <caffeine> are most programs listed in synaptic?
[06:30] <cef> maildir's problem (for me) is that if you get directory/disk corruption, you can end up with thousands of files in lost+found/ *sigh*
[06:30] <akk> bob2: If sarge ever releases, we'll upgrade the server and get tons more options (though I don't remember if dovecot is in sarge).
[06:30] <bob2> caffeine: everything you've told it to know about is
[06:30] <akk> I don't actually like maildir, but I could live with it if I could get mutt to deal with it gracefully.
[06:30] <bob2> akk: it is
[06:31] <bob2> hm?  I've been using maildir with mutt for...3 years.
[06:31] <caffeine> bob2: how do i tell it i want to install kismet
[06:31] <akk> bob2: Good.  Maybe my problems were all uw-imapd related.
[06:31] <akk> bob2: The main problem was that if I read something, and marked it unread, then later I could never make it read; it kept popping back to unread.
[06:31] <akk> bob2: I think there were similar problems with deleted messages coming back.
[06:31] <bob2> caffeine: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:32] <caffeine> thanks bob
[06:32] <bob2> akk: hm, I've not seen that
[06:32] <Keizer> LMAO
[06:32] <Keizer> Ubuntu just did a Windows style crash
[06:32] <bob2> then file a bug
[06:33] <cef> Keizer: sure you aren't running the BOSD screensaver?
[06:33] <cef> s/BOSD/BSOD/
[06:34] <Keizer> LOL
[06:34] <Keizer> cef, It didn't blue screen
[06:34] <Keizer> It did a familar Explorer style lock up
[06:34] <bob2> lord
[06:34] <bob2> what a silly way to describe a problem
[06:34] <cef> what, lose all the icons then refresh them?
[06:35] <Keizer> Another thing just crashed: "The Application "gnome-volume-manager" has quit unexpectedly."
[06:35] <Chipzz> Keizer: ignore it
[06:35] <bob2> did you just run an upgrade?
[06:35] <Keizer> Yeah
[06:35] <Chipzz> Keizer: just ignore it
[06:36] <bob2> Keizer: then it's a known bug, deal
[06:36] <Hackmo> Anyone got any idea why firefox won't search for plugins when I click the "search for missing plugins" button?
[06:36] <linowin> Re all
[06:36] <linowin> I resolve my problem
[06:37] <akk> Wow, ubuntu repositories are fast compared to debian (for apt-get update)
[06:37] <linowin> I ll report it
[06:37] <Keizer> Damn
[06:37] <Keizer> Time to use wget
[06:37] <bob2> Keizer: log out and in again
[06:37] <linowin> I had problem with "fail to initialize HAL" at boot with install version and hadn t this problem with Live CD
[06:38] <Quinn_Storm> I have libxext-dev installed but there's no pkg-config file for it.  is there a package I am missing or something?  I even ran a system-wide search for all the .pc files, and I didn't turn up a single xext.pc...
[06:38] <FuckYou_> DCC SEND "+ g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g + g 
[06:38] <linowin> I found a way to make it work
[06:38] <vivlachaga> hi any experience installin tomcat and apache on ubuntu?
[06:38] <HcE> what's wrong with FuckYou_ ?
[06:38] <HcE> he's trying to DCC me crap
[06:38] <linowin> If i start Ubuntu with a CD in, HAL initalize correctly !
[06:38] <flyingsquirrel54> me too
[06:39] <Quinn_Storm> do I need to make my own xext.pc?
[06:39] <linowin> So it is a way to solve problem now but it shows that HAL has some problems :)
[06:39] <JDahl> He's just messing with Tor IP masking, so he cant be banned
[06:39] <JDahl> (or she)
[06:40] <Kamion> somebody who can be bothered should report him to freenode admin
[06:40] <Kamion> (since they ask for that in their policies doc)
[06:40] <linowin> None seem to care about that, but i told you if anyone asked you whith the same problem
[06:40] <Keizer> OMG
[06:40] <Keizer> The updates are taking forever to install
[06:41] <Quinn_Storm> oh well, I made my own xext.pc for now
[06:41] <AcidWolf> whats the command to check current kernel version
[06:41] <AcidWolf> i forget
[06:43] <CarlK> AcidWolf - uname -n
[06:43] <CarlK> er, -a
[06:43] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:43] <zenrox> or uname -r
[06:44] <zooko> That's funny -- why doesn't fetchmail in Warty come with fetchmailconf?
[06:44] <AcidWolf> nope
[06:44] <airox> Could someone ban FuckYou_ ...
[06:44] <AcidWolf> its none of those
[06:44] <johns^> ah thanks
[06:44] <airox> Getting strange DCC's from him.
[06:44] <AcidWolf> nope ok got it
[06:44] <cef> same, was just about to suggest the same to someone else
[06:45] <_jon_> hey, having a problem with K3B, it's trying to dd from /dev/fd/0 to create an image for a dvd i'm trying to burn
[06:45] <Quinn_Storm> agh, there are no .pc files for pretty much all of the ubuntu x library -dev packages!
[06:46] <cef> _jon_: trying to create a bootable cd?
[06:46] <hans> any reason not to have normal debian sources in sources.list?
[06:46] <_jon_> cef: no, i'm trying to create a video dvd
[06:47] <Quinn_Storm> I think I made the two I needed (xext and xtst) though...I hope they work properly, I don't know for sure what libs each needed since I didn't have references handy
[06:47] <zooko> No fetchmailconf in hoary either.  I guess I'll do without it.
[06:47] <cef> _jon_: then afaik, it shouldn't be copying anything from the floppy
[06:47] <_jon_> cef: I know that
[06:48] <cef> _jon_: what option in k3b ae you using?
[06:48] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:49] <_jon_> new video dvd project, then i sepcify the video_ts and try to burn
[06:49] <Kamion> hans: yes, very bad idea, it confuses apt because there are different packages (recompiles) with the same version
[06:49] <Kamion> zooko: it's in universe for both warty and hoary
[06:49] <zooko> Kamion: Thanks.
[06:50] <Kamion> not sure why we aren't supporting it, we probably should if we're supporting fetchmail
[06:50] <Kamion> mail ubuntu-devel@?
[06:51] <cef> _jon_: did you go into Project -> Edit Boot Images at all?
[06:51] <_jon_> nope
[06:51] <akk> If I do apt-get -f dist-upgrade, it tells me to put the hoary cd in the drive.
[06:51] <akk> Why would it want anything from the CD on a dist-upgrade?
[06:52] <_jon_> akk, remove the cd part from your apt-source list
[06:52] <cef> new packages that are depended upon but shipped on the cd
[06:52] <Amaranth> akk: Your sources.list has the CD included. If the packages are available from the CD it'll go there first.
[06:52] <linowin> Zooko ! i manage to make the CDROM work !!!!
[06:52] <Kamion> yeah, that's kind of arguably a bug in the installer
[06:52] <Kamion> (the sources.list thing)
[06:53] <akk> Wow that's a lotta new packages.  (First dist-upgrade after a hoary install a few days ago.)
[06:54] <akk> 161 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 148Mb (lots of small packages)
[06:56] <Keizer> Now I gotta get my wireless working.
[06:57] <Mitario> hmm, does anyone know where I can get the AC_DEFINE_DIR() automake/conf macro from?
[06:58] <dross> question about linux on laptops
[06:59] <dross> I'm having a problem, and would like to know what the most likely problem is. Minute..
[06:59] <dross> 6296166
[06:59] <dross> ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[06:59] <dross> hda: task_in_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[06:59] <setite> can someone help me
[06:59] <dross> hda: task_in_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=156296166, sector=156296166
[06:59] <setite> i need to install the latest nvidia driver
[06:59] <dross> setite: then install it
[07:00] <setite> but it keeps saying that the nvidia module is already loaded
[07:00] <dross> setite: source from apt
[07:00] <setite> how do i unload it
[07:00] <dross> setite: sudo modprobe -r nvidia
[07:00] <Noesis> hi okes, i just installed ubuntu, but it never asked me for a root password and i cannot get into my root account
[07:00] <setite> thanks
[07:00] <Hackmo> Anyone want to help me with my firefox problem?
[07:00] <zooko> linowin: great!  What was the trick?
[07:01] <Kamion> Noesis: use 'sudo <command you want to run as root>'
[07:02] <Noesis> but how do i log in as root kamion?
[07:02] <Noesis> i went to tty2
[07:03] <Noesis> login root and password root
[07:03] <Noesis> no success
[07:03] <zenrox> Noesis, sudo -s then enter your userpass
[07:03] <linowin> Zooko: I left a CD in the CDROM before BOOT and no pb. Thats why LIVECD was ok
[07:03] <Hackmo> So, firefox problems eh?
[07:04] <linowin> Zooko : This shows that HAL driver is still a little Buggy :)
[07:04] <linowin> I reported this TIP on the Hardware problem page on Forum
[07:04] <Kamion> Noesis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:04] <setite> shit that doesnt work
[07:05] <hans> so what is this universe and multiverse stuff? is there a ubuntu for debian gurus page?
[07:05] <mdz> dross: it's extremely unlikely to be anything but a hardware problem
[07:05] <mdz> dross: could be a failing drive, bad cabling, etc.
[07:05] <setite> but the nvidia site says modprobe -q agpgart
[07:05] <Noesis> sudo -s ok, i am root, but why cant i log in directly as root?
[07:05] <akk> hans: They're in the synaptic dialog for "add sources" or something like that: contributed and non-free packages, iirc.
[07:05] <lamont> hans: universe == rest of debian main, multiverse == non-free
[07:05] <zooko> hans: universe is stuff that isn't supported by canonical.  multiverse is non-free.
[07:05] <zooko> something like that
[07:06] <Kamion> Noesis: the page I pointed you to explains various reasons we chose to go this way
[07:06] <Noesis> agh, ok, i did passwd now and now i can log in as root
[07:06] <hans> lamont: thanks
[07:06] <Noesis> thqanks kamion, will read it now
[07:06] <dross> mdz: I found the answer. Its easy to fix. Unfortunately it happened
[07:06] <Kamion> zooko: think of it as a matrix: main == supported/free, restricted == supported/non-free, universe == unsupported/free, multiverse == unsupported/non-free
[07:06] <Kamion> s/zooko/hans/
[07:07] <zooko> Kamion: Thanks for the clarification about restricted.
[07:07] <zooko> I've debfoster postfix-tls, but postfix is listening only on port 25, not on 443.
[07:07] <hans> Kamion: thanks, that's clear now. is that documented somewhere that I just missed?
[07:07] <zooko> One important reason that I need TLS is that my ISP blocks incoming 25...
[07:08] <Kamion> hans: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:08] <lamont> zooko: /etc/postfix/master.cf
[07:08] <hans> I remember seeing links to "components" but had no idea that it was referring to repositories.
[07:08] <Beirdo> OK, gonna try again since nobody could help at all last night :)
[07:09] <Beirdo> anyone here using vservers on hoary preview?
[07:09] <lamont> zooko: and the rest of the config - tls isn't autoconfiged
[07:09] <Kamion> hans: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is a repository (or archive); main, restricted, universe, and multiverse are parts of that archive.
[07:10] <Myrtti> could somebody English speaking and using English Ubuntu show me the contents of his/her /etc/environment?
[07:10] <Myrtti> would be greatly appreciated
[07:10] <zooko> lamont: thanks
[07:10] <Myrtti> TIA
[07:10] <zooko> MAIL yumyum:/usr/share/postfix$ cat /etc/environment
[07:10] <zooko> LANGUAGE="en_CA:en_GB:en_US:en"
[07:10] <zooko> 
[07:10] <zooko> LANG=en_CA
[07:11] <str> ntu
[07:11] <Kamion> Myrtti: (on a fresh install now, that'll just be LANGUAGE="en_CA:en" or similar)
[07:11] <Keizer> God said let there be Aptitude
[07:12] <str> how to update hoary
[07:12] <aurax> is hoary stable enough to install on dekstops ?
[07:13] <Vjaz> aurax: It's quite stable already, I guess, but I wouldn't be too surprised if problems still came up.
[07:13] <Jesterace> aurax, yep
[07:13] <akk> aurax: I've been running it for 2-3 days and it seems pretty good here.
[07:13] <aurax> cuz i tired it on my new desktops
[07:14] <aurax> a bit problematic. with refresh rate and stuff
[07:14] <aurax> and USB mouse
[07:14] <zooko> I had a problem with a USB mouse.  I swapped mice with another hoary desktop and the problem went away.
[07:14] <aurax> my specs are : rocklake 865G / o/b lan/ 3ghz / nv fx5200 / 512 ddr 400
[07:14] <zenrox> aurax,  but nothen that cant be fixed??
[07:14] <zooko> The problem was, the mouse pointer was crawling around the screen even when the mouse was still.
[07:14] <aurax> yep exactly!
[07:15] <aurax> moving like it sick or something .
[07:15] <zooko> I tried reconfiguring xorg, but it insisted that the mouse was /dev/input/mice and was a IMPS2, if i recall correctly,
[07:15] <zooko> and i couldn't seem to change this setting.
[07:15] <zooko> Eliminating gpm didn't change the behavior.
[07:16] <hans> thanks again for the help
[07:16] <Hackmo> Anyone got any idea why GAIM will just quit itself
[07:17] <aurax> so what did fix it zooko
[07:17] <aurax> cuz i really wants to try hoary on those desktops
[07:18] <zooko> aurax: swapped optical USB mice with another hoary desktop of mine.  :-)
[07:18] <aurax> oh
[07:18] <aurax> lol
[07:18] <aurax> hhe
[07:18] <Myrtti> goddammit
[07:18] <aurax> ?
[07:18] <zooko> I really ought to report bugs to the Ubuntu bug tracking system, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.
[07:19] <Hackmo> zooko: Applications > System toold > bug report tool
[07:20] <Myrtti> dammit dammit dammit
[07:20] <zooko> Hackmo: I don't have metacity or gnome installed..  :-/
[07:20] <zooko> Actually my wife does on her box, so I guess I could go report bugs there.  :-)
[07:20] <tritium> zooko, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:20] <zooko> tritium: thanks
[07:20] <tritium> np
[07:20] <Hackmo> Was just about to suggest that
[07:21] <zooko> doesn't ubuntu use reportbug to automatically determine the version numbers of relevant packages ?
[07:21] <kickrocks> anyone use the ia64 version?
[07:23] <zooko> sigh.  my ISP seems to block 465 and 587 too.
[07:24] <Hackmo> bbl
[07:26] <djp> are there any ubuntu users who stick to the strict free software/free formats with their installs?
[07:26] <Quazion> i am still using the default install djp as my main workstation at work
[07:26] <oly> hi, i got a question about beagle can i use it on fat32 and resierfs partitions it says to add an option to fstab but the example is ext3
[07:26] <kickrocks> define "free"
[07:26] <Quazion> no need for mp3/divx stuff etc
[07:27] <oly> is it likely to fudge up anything if i give it a go ? or has someone given it a try ?
[07:27] <kickrocks> I guess that answer is porn dirven
[07:27] <djp> Quazion: do you find it restrictive?
[07:29] <oly> anyone any idea, or advice ? i dont really want to try and loose any data unless i know it can be done
[07:29] <maddler> evening all!
[07:29] <neiras> good morning
[07:29] <neiras> from Vancouver, Canada!
[07:29] <aurax> so how do i make USB mouse work with warty?
[07:29] <CarlK> aurax - plug it in?
[07:29] <aurax> i did
[07:30] <aurax> it moves like its sick
[07:30] <aurax> it moves himself.
[07:30] <djp> kickrocks: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:30] <maddler> neiras... greetings from italy... :)
[07:30] <St0n3-C0l> What was the guide page of Ubuntu ??
[07:30] <scizzo> St0n3-C0l: www.ubuntuguide.org?
[07:31] <aurax> ubuntugiode.org
[07:31] <aurax> guide*
[07:31] <Fackamato> greetings from sewden
[07:31] <Fackamato> 19:31pm
[07:31] <St0n3-C0l> and how do i set my nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf permanently bcoz When I reboot that file goes back to nameserver 0.0.0.0
[07:31] <neiras> sewden - it's like Sweden, only with a lot more sewing.
[07:31] <Fackamato> haha
[07:31] <neiras> badum-ching
[07:31] <Fackamato> .p
[07:31] <St0n3-C0l> Oh Thanks
[07:32] <spiral> hi
[07:32] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[07:32] <St0n3-C0l> i was looking for http://guide.ubuntuforums.org :P
[07:34] <tritium> St0n3-C0l, it probably needs to go in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d somewhere.  Check the resolvconf documentation.
[07:34] <Quazion> djp: what do you mean with restrictive. I am having no problems working on it, though some little bugs here and there
[07:35] <tritium> St0n3-C0l, the "base" file, I believe is what you want.
[07:35] <hou5ton> I'm wanting to download ftp the latest hoary ... i'm there now and see several folders ... cdimage, releases, ubuntu
[07:35] <exalted> in the network settings, in connections tab i can see my wireless device, but he cannot connect to my router. what should i do
[07:36] <hou5ton> trying to figure out what thing to download
[07:36] <tritium> hou5ton, you want a CD image?
[07:36] <tritium> hou5ton, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[07:36] <Quazion> djp: but for "users" i think its not very usefull if you cant watch mpg files etc... though i stopped watching pr0n at the office, which i feel is a good thing :)
[07:36] <hou5ton> tritiumi: I would like the install CD
[07:36] <setite> how do i find the contents of a cd
[07:37] <tritium> hou5ton, see above URL
[07:37] <setite> should the cd mount automatically
[07:38] <CarlK> Quazion - users or kids? ;)
[07:38] <hou5ton> tritium: ya ... but do I download something in that "daily" folder or one of those under the "releases" folder?
[07:38] <CarlK> to me, users include office workers
[07:38] <Quazion> i mean homeusers i guess
[07:39] <setite> does anyone know why my cds arent mounting?
[07:39] <CarlK> Quazion - even that group has a sugnificant number of people that don't need "crap"
[07:39] <Quazion> my gf always watches missed tv shows on our iBook works like a charm, dont think you can do that with ubuntu. it are real/wmv streams i guess
[07:39] <tritium> hou5ton, what do you want to install?  Hoary?
[07:39] <hou5ton> tritium: i'm guessing that I go under the "releases" dir and download 5.04?
[07:39] <hou5ton> hes
[07:39] <hou5ton> the latest Hoary
[07:39] <tritium> hou5ton, the very latest Hoary is in a daily build
[07:40] <hou5ton> tritium: wouldn't that be the best place to start
[07:40] <djp> Quazion: :)
[07:40] <CarlK> Quazion - there is definately a large population that likes all the "crap", myself included - but I think they are a smaller piece of the "market"
[07:40] <Quazion> carlk, i think most homeusers use there computer or to chat/im , download music (mp3) or game. Think they cant play mp3's free or ?
[07:41] <tritium> hou5ton, either today's daily build, or array 7
[07:41] <Quazion> CarlK, i agree with you on that one :)
[07:41] <Quazion> i am a smaller piece
[07:41] <Quazion> i am very happy with how simple ubuntu is. It has not a load of bloat for me
[07:41] <djp> Quazion: by restrctive, i meant in terms of file playback i suppose. ie, visitng websites and not using java, flash-plugins etc...
[07:42] <CarlK> do the "legit" music sites (napster, itune thing, etc) only do mp3?
[07:42] <djp> Quazion: sounds to me that you are getting by pretty well without though!
[07:42] <Quazion> djp: i think i miss java, but not enough to get it installed :)
[07:42] <tritium> hou5ton, did you find it okay?
[07:42] <hou5ton> yes ... i thinkg so ... thanks
[07:43] <Quazion> djp, with webviewing i miss internet explorer more then flash etc :)
[07:43] <Quazion> djp, since some company's i work with have ie only logins :(
[07:43] <hou5ton> i used an ftp link that a friend sent, but the download rate is slow ... by try your http link
[07:44] <djp> Quazion: sure...
[07:44] <CarlK> hou5ton - what URL are you trying to get?
[07:44] <tritium> hou5ton, the .torrent might work well for you
[07:44] <CarlK> yeah, if it is one wiht a .torrent, use it
[07:44] <hou5ton> ftp://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/20050324/hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:45] <airox> The torrent files are very fast :)
[07:45] <CarlK> no torrents for the dailies
[07:45] <aurax> zooko
[07:45] <djp> Quazion: completely switched over now to linux... just thinking about taking the big step and trying to survuve with the totally free software thing!
[07:45] <neiras> Quazion, if you want to play movie files with no trouble, install "totem-xine" ... If you want Realplayer, you can get it for Ubuntu at www.realplayer.com
[07:45] <aurax> i got it fixed, allhad to do is change the dev to /dev/input/mouse0
[07:45] <setite> anyone use cedega?
[07:45] <setite> i dont know how to install with it
[07:46] <neiras> cedega install.exe
[07:46] <setite> ijm looking for a dummy guide but am having no luck
[07:46] <neiras> in a terminal
[07:46] <zooko> aurax: thanks!
[07:46] <Keizer> Time to use apt-get =)
[07:46] <setite> thats what you use to install games?
[07:46] <djp> Quazion: i think it was installing limewire under ubuntu that made me feel that way. felt like windows all over again, pop-up messages asking me if i wanted to purchase the 'pro' version et al!
[07:46] <neiras> yup
[07:46] <setite> im trying under point2play right now
[07:46] <hou5ton> tritium: the http link you sent is going a little faster
[07:46] <neiras> or use point2play
[07:46] <setite> whatg do i do with it
[07:46] <hou5ton> not much ... but a little
[07:46] <Keizer> Point2Play for the win
[07:46] <neiras> I dunno, I don't use it
[07:46] <setite> i click install it asks for an exe
[07:46] <neiras> read rour manual
[07:46] <Quazion> neiras, we where talking about 100% free software. ofcourse i could get it to work :)
[07:47] <setite> i select the exe then nothing happens
[07:47] <neiras> Quazion: Oh - an idealist, I see
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> point2play can be a real annoyance
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> i just use the command line to launch stuff
[07:47] <setite> i think it cant mount my cd
[07:47] <xerox> Is there anything wrong in this: apt-get install apache2, apt-get install cl-modlist (a mod-.. for apache) and it wants to inistall apache-common? Apache-common description says it's for 1.3, not 2.0 !
[07:47] <setite> i may have messed up
[07:47] <setite> im using ubuntu64
[07:48] <setite> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#UPDATED_AMD64_pure64_w.2F32bit_libs_and_NO_32bit_chroot
[07:48] <setite> that guide
[07:48] <setite> i edited it
[07:48] <setite> can you tell me if I did it right...
[07:48] <Quazion> djp, just ask you selve what you really need and stick to that :), though there are good Free download tools like gnutella etc :)
[07:48] <shmoolik> DAMN i realy love what they have  done with the usb storage :)
[07:48] <setite> the part i dont get is this
[07:48] <setite>     *  Edit /usr/bin/cedega to find lib32
[07:48] <setite> Add: /lib32:/usr/lib32 to the $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[07:49] <setite> so i changed this
[07:49] <setite> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$WINEXINSTALLDIR/winex/lib:$WINEXINSTALLDIR/winex/bin:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
[07:49] <setite> to this
[07:49] <setite> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$/lib32:/usr/lib32:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
[07:49] <Quazion> djp, but personaly if i would need something and its non free i would use it anyways. But i wont "steal" it. if they ask money or i pay or i dont use it.
[07:49] <Quazion> djp, but i have one restriction i read the end user licence agreement, and dont use the software if i dont agree with it.
[07:50] <djp> Quazion: fair enough. sounds good to me
[07:50] <slept> hello
[07:51] <xerox> Is there a way to get a DSO-enabled Apache2, in ubuntu?
[07:52] <Keizer> this isn't working: apt-get install beep-media-player
[07:53] <rapha_> Hi all
[07:53] <zoto> hello
[07:53] <rapha_> Does somebody have iFolder installed on Ubuntu?
[07:53] <zoto> i have some questions
[07:53] <slept> Keizer: you have to describe the error (sudo ?)
[07:53] <zoto> negative
[07:54] <zoto> im trying to install either wingware's python ide or eric3
[07:54] <Keizer> slept, It can't find the package
[07:54] <zoto> has anyone gotten either working?
[07:55] <setite> what am i doing wrong
[07:55] <setite> this program is evil
[07:55] <slept> Keizer: it's in universe, you have to enable universe source lines in /etc/apt/sources.list , remove the # in front of that line
[07:56] <slept> the one with universe
[07:56] <slept> and then apt-get update
[07:56] <oly> hum, is beagle going to make it into the hoary final release by any chance ?
[07:57] <neiras> doubtful
[07:57] <neiras> it's still unstable
[07:57] <oly> shame, oh right
[07:57] <neiras> but IANAD
[07:57] <xerox> Can you explain to me how to completely delete apache2?
[07:58] <xerox> apt-get remove left it near completely :|
[07:58] <airox> xerox: apt-get --purge remove apach2
[07:58] <airox> apache2 ...
[07:58] <setite> how do i mount my cdrom
[07:59] <airox> setite: using mount ...
[07:59] <slept> setite : mount /media/cdrom
[07:59] <setite> ok guess i dont have to do that
[08:00] <setite> imma be pissed if i payed for cedega and it wont work
[08:00] <neiras> setite, if you're using the default desktop, go to Computer and click the cd drive
[08:00] <neiras> :)
[08:00] <lewiz> Anybody know of any reason remote desktop (VNC) isn't offered as one of the "Connect to Server" options in Hoary?  If there are none, are there any places I can go to request this functionality?
[08:00] <xerox> setite: it leaves many things, /etc/init.d/apache2 for example, what could be the cause?
[08:00] <neiras> lewiz: Terminal Server Client under Internet in your menu
[08:01] <neiras> It's not in Connect To server because Connect To Server is for filesystems
[08:01] <setite> xerox... i dont know what your talking about
[08:01] <lewiz> neiras: Ah, I didn't realise TSC did VNC :)  Ah, I see what you mean about Connect To Server.  Makes sense.
[08:01] <xerox> setite: that file is left in the filesystem
[08:02] <neiras> lewiz: there is also a Terminal Server Client panel applet for shortcuts
[08:02] <xerox> setite: oh, whoops, sorry.
[08:02] <setite> k
[08:02] <xerox> airox: things like /etc/init.d/apache2 are left in the fs, what can be the cause?
[08:02] <airox> xerox: You didn't purged the package.
[08:02] <setite> turgid member
[08:03] <airox> xerox: dpkg --purge apache2
[08:03] <xerox> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed.
[08:03] <setite> anyone successfully run cedega with ubuntu64
[08:03] <xerox> airox: I need to reinstall it?
[08:03] <airox> xerox: Then remove it manually.
[08:04] <airox> xerox: That's also an option.
[08:04] <xerox> airox: hmpf
[08:04] <setite> can someone look here http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#UPDATED_AMD64_pure64_w.2F32bit_libs_and_NO_32bit_chroot and tell me what exactly i should do to this export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$WINEXINSTALLDIR/winex/lib:$WINEXINSTALLDIR/winex/bin:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
[08:04] <xerox> airox: so bad :\
[08:04] <zooko> Hm.  How can I test my postfix installation?
[08:05] <zooko> I'm reading the man page for sendmail, trying to figure out if I can specify a host for it to connect to, via TLSor else on port 25.
[08:05] <zooko> Oh, I guess I could telnet to port 25...
[08:05] <neiras> xerox. You did a partial remove, so as far as the package system is concerned, apache2 is NOT installed. It left its data dirs behind so as to protect any changes you've made. In order to purge, just do apt-get install apache2, then apt-get --purge remove apache2
[08:05] <airox> zooko: netcat is a nice tool to.
[08:06] <Keizer> Does anyone know how to get Beep Media Player with apt?
[08:06] <airox> Are there kernel sources for hoary's kernel ?
[08:07] <neiras> airox: apt-get source linux-<your arch>
[08:07] <Vjaz> Keizer: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[08:07] <slept> Keizer : I told you
[08:08] <airox> neiras: Well ... it downloads linux-meta :/
[08:08] <neiras> airox - then specify the full version of your kernel
[08:08] <Keizer> sorry
[08:08] <Keizer> 10 things at once
[08:08] <Keizer> That didn't work last time
[08:09] <neiras> airox `uname -a` will tell you what it is if you aren't sure
[08:09] <Keizer> E: Couldn't find package beep-media-player
[08:09] <airox> neiras: uname -r that is, but it simply isn't there ...
[08:10] <neiras> airox - are you planning to build a custom kernel?
[08:10] <slept> Keizer : did you enable  universe ?
[08:10] <airox> neiras: I need the sources for the quickcam modules to compile.
[08:10] <Keizer> slept,  I haven't
[08:10] <Keizer> slept, Please help
[08:11] <zooko> airox: yes, but I don't know the full syntax for smtp.  I guess I could packet sniff an outgoing smtp transaction, then replay that to myself.  :-)
[08:11] <neiras> airox Oh. try apt-get install linux-source
[08:11] <neiras> airox: You might find http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto interesting
[08:12] <airox> zooko: helo domain.com \n mail from: <user@domain.com> \n rcpt to: <user@domain2.com> \n data \n Hi, this is a test message \n .\n quit \n
[08:12] <typo> ubuntu seams to be spinning the disk up and down a bit too much. It should even do it now since I'm on AC power. Can I tweak this?
[08:12] <slept> Keizer: open a terminal, then sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, then you just have to remove the # at the beginning of the line, it's explained in the file aswell, then save the file, sudo apt-get update
[08:12] <zooko> airox: thanks!  :-)
[08:12] <neiras> typo: sudo hdparm -S 120 /dev/hda
[08:13] <sheeparegreat> Hi all, ive just installed Hoary usning the cds, everything seems to work except Rhythmbox and totam i get this error "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type application/x-id3." Any ideas?Thanks
[08:13] <sianis> hi all
[08:13] <sianis> i hava a little question
[08:13] <airox> sheeparegreat: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[08:13] <sianis> can i install the ubuntu on a old pentium?
[08:14] <sheeparegreat> thanks
[08:14] <airox> np
[08:14] <Keizer> slept, You got some sleep I see
[08:14] <sianis> 133 mhz, 64 MB ram, dvd-rom, 10,4 GB hdd?
[08:14] <neiras> typo: look at /etc/acpi/power.sh for the script that runs when you plug in/unplug your machine
[08:15] <AcidWolf> i got dvd going on my notebook but now when it plays the sound tends to jump on and off
[08:15] <lewiz> Hmm... is there any way to permanently remember my SSH/SFTP places?  They stick around on my desktop and under Places but I'd like them to stick around after reboot.
[08:15] <AcidWolf> and ideas
[08:15] <airox> Anybody know if swsusp would work on a desktop pc ?
[08:15] <AcidWolf> any*
[08:15] <neiras> lewiz - they should stick around between reboots by default
[08:15] <airox> dualm: use glue.
[08:15] <neiras> as long as you are using "Connect To Server"
[08:16] <zooko> airox: IT WORKED!  Thanks.
[08:16] <airox> zooko: np.
[08:16] <airox> zooko: Try some open relay test also.
[08:16] <zooko> airox: how
[08:16] <dualm> airox, sorry i was inspecting a strange behaviour in xchat
[08:16] <AndyR> evenin' all
[08:16] <airox> dualm: ;)
[08:16] <zooko> I like open relays.  They help John Gilmore.
[08:16] <zooko> ;-)
[08:16] <lewiz> neiras: Oh, okay.  That seems weird but cool.  Is there no way to edit their settings?  Like changing the default directory, etc.
[08:16] <airox> zooko: ...
[08:17] <airox> zooko: http://www.abuse.net/relay.html
[08:17] <dualm> sorry people, I'll remove of the auto join list
[08:17] <neiras> lewiz, no, not for now. The idea is to treat those reomte connections like drives. Once you create them, you use them as they are.
[08:17] <zooko> So I've updated my MX records and IP addr records o that mail should start coming my way once the DNS updates.
[08:17] <zooko> We'll see.  :-)
[08:18] <neiras> lewiz, if you're using Hoary, you'll see that they also show under Places
[08:18] <airox> zooko: using mysql as backend for postfix or what ? :)
[08:18] <drspin> crimsun: you around?
[08:18] <Paloseco> hi
[08:18] <airox> hi Paloseco
[08:18] <Paloseco> how can i set up the passwork for root?
[08:18] <Paloseco> i have installe dit and i have not been asked for it
[08:19] <airox> Paloseco: sudo passwd root
[08:19] <Paloseco> i cannot login as root!!!
[08:19] <neiras> airox, noooo
[08:19] <neiras> Paloseco
[08:19] <airox> no ?
[08:19] <neiras> Paloseco - you don't need a root user
[08:19] <Paloseco> what a crappy shit
[08:19] <drspin> Paloseco: just use sudo
[08:19] <choisy> Paloseco: ubuntu uses sudo. why really do you wanna log as root?
[08:19] <zooko> airox: Hm.  I ran "inc" to move the incoming mail into my nmh folders, and that worked.
[08:19] <wezzer> use sudo instead
[08:19] <neiras> Paloseco, sudo "command" runs it as root
[08:19] <zooko> So I'm using whatever postfix backend is the default for ubuntu.
[08:19] <drspin> if you want a teminal use sudo -s
[08:19] <neiras> Paloseco - if you want a root prompt, do "sudo su -
[08:19] <airox> Paloseco: You can use root. Just think about the security related issues.
[08:19] <Paloseco> i want to be root for installing packages and all that
[08:20] <neiras> airox - there is no reason to set a root password
[08:20] <airox> Paloseco: There is a root terminal.
[08:20] <Keizer> I need to get my wireless working.
[08:20] <lewiz> neiras: Yeah, I am.  I'm very impressed but I've been out of the GNOME game for a very long time -- it's changed a lot :)
[08:20] <Paloseco> the root terminal promps for password
[08:20] <drspin> Paloseco: use gksudo if you're running X apps that need root
[08:20] <airox> Paloseco: U have to use your own password for it.
[08:20] <choisy> Paloseco: it wants YOUR password
[08:20] <sianis> so, is ther anyone is here, who know, so can ubuntu install to a Pentium 133, 64 MB EDO ram???
[08:20] <neiras> lewiz - Yep, and it's only getting better. I recently came back to gnome after years of KDE - it's sooo much nicer now
[08:20] <airox> sianis: Maybe you will be the first ;)
[08:20] <airox> sianis: I guess it's rather slow to run X.
[08:21] <Paloseco> I have tried my own users passwd but did not work
[08:21] <Keizer> What can I use to get my wireless card running?
[08:21] <neiras> sianis - it will work
[08:21] <Paloseco> it asks for root passwd
[08:21] <zooko> I've now found all several ogg vorbis internet radio stations.
[08:21] <choisy> airox: X will do fine on a P133, maybe not gnome :)
[08:21] <neiras> Paloseco, no, it asks for YOUR password
[08:21] <Keizer> I have Artheos Dlink G650 card
[08:21] <sianis> i want to install icewm
[08:21] <airox> choisy: Yep.
[08:21] <sianis> i install now Hoary
[08:21] <zooko> thanks for your help, everyone!
[08:21] <sianis> i hope, hope, hope :)
[08:21] <Paloseco> neiras i will try it
[08:21] <airox> sianis: You could use fluxbox. Maybe something like that works.
[08:22] <airox> sianis: Try openbox also ;)
[08:22] <sianis> airbox, i try
[08:22] <airox> ...
[08:22] <sianis> airbox: i will use what is run :)
[08:22] <sianis> fukc
[08:22] <sianis> airox soory
[08:22] <sianis> :)
[08:22] <cg0def> is there finally a way to edit menus in gnome 2.10?
[08:22] <airox> :)
[08:22] <Paloseco> thanks guys
[08:23] <airox> cg0def: There is some php gtk thingie around.
[08:23] <warty> i got a lot of cluster out of range, someone knows how to fix them
[08:23] <warty> Reclaimed 459 unused clusters (15040512 bytes).
[08:23] <warty> Free cluster summary wrong (1220979 vs. really 1218195)
[08:23] <airox> cg0def: It's crappy.
[08:23] <zooko> Darn -- I can't send mail with nmh's "comp" / "post" executables...
[08:23] <choisy> hum... I have that ibook that is begging for hoary, but I have no cdrs left.... can I burn the iso to a dvdr ? or is that a silly idea?
[08:23] <lewiz> neiras: Heh, I'd not used KDE in a long time either.  GNOME is far more polished than KDE but I'm impressed with kubuntu-desktop, especially as it seems to be a fairly new/untested release.  That can only get better too.  I miss things in GNOME though that I haven't been able to replace -- wheeling through the desktops with my mouse wheel (works on the pager though), proper window snapping (none of this shift stuff), resize snapping and probably a few 
[08:23] <sianis> the install is vry slow, but i have time :)
[08:23] <cg0def> airox: if it works it's probably better than nothing
[08:23] <zooko> post: problem initializing server; [BHST]  premature end-of-file on pipe
[08:23] <zooko> send: message not delivered to anyone
[08:23] <airox> cg0def: :)
[08:23] <airox> cg0def: You can edit the files manually.
[08:23] <cg0def> airox: the only reason why I am not upgrading to 5.04 is the menu thing
[08:24] <airox> hehe
[08:24] <cg0def> takes too damn long to edit it manually
[08:24] <airox> There should be some small utility indeed.
[08:24] <caffinated> cg0def: there is a small program you can get to deal with that
[08:24] <airox> The gnome folks shouldn't have abondend it :(
[08:24] <sianis> if the ubuntu is start running, i write a letter :)
[08:24] <airox> ;)
[08:25] <cg0def> well it's not like it was a HUGE problem to write a new tool after they ditched the old one
[08:25] <sianis> airox: gnome will not run?
[08:25] <cg0def> caffinated: thanks
[08:25] <caffinated> cg0def: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[08:25] <airox> sianis: dunno.
[08:25] <sianis> :)
[08:25] <sianis> hope :)
[08:25] <sianis> i want to use the business program
[08:25] <caffinated> cg0def: it's irritating, i agree.  but i upgraded to hoary, and it's been mostly smooth sailing.
[08:26] <cg0def> the screenshots are pretty nice for this tool
[08:26] <ecstasy> hey.
[08:26] <ecstasy> where is the xmms skin directory for ubuntu
[08:26] <lamont> sianis: gnome runs like a dog in 128MB... hope you're used to _slow_ if you have 64MB...
[08:26] <cg0def> oh yeah, does anyone know if echo indigo is added to the alsa modules (finally)
[08:26] <sianis> if ubuntu is can run
[08:27] <sianis> a try upgrade 96 MB
[08:27] <sianis> :P
[08:27] <lamont> heh
[08:27] <gratuit> lewiz: if you use openbox instead of metacity in gnome, you can scroll through desktops with the wheel just so long as you're over the desktop
[08:27] <lewiz> gratuit: Hmm, that's not a bad idea, actually.  I'll go find out if Fluxbox has the necessary bits and bobs, that's what I ran for the last n years :)
[08:28] <sianis> my father is want to use them
[08:28] <ice_1963> gnome run's good for me =)
[08:28] <sianis> and i said im, you will not use Windows :)
[08:28] <choisy> is there a irc channel for ubuntu-ppc users?
[08:29] <cg0def> if you ever get used to linux (especially debian and derivatives) windows will seem very weird to you
[08:29] <n4cht> cg0def, you ain't kiddin'
[08:30] <cg0def> well it's not just apt but apt is the main reason
[08:30] <sianis> can i install blacbox to ubuntu?
[08:30] <cg0def> then there are better graphics
[08:30] <n4cht> sianis, yep.
[08:30] <lewiz> The only thing I've found lacking is Java support.  It's way too much hassle for a distro like Ubuntu where everything else just *works*.  Debian should petition Sun for a license to distribute Java -- the FreeBSD Foundation had one for a while.
[08:30] <sianis> yes....
[08:31] <sianis> the blackbox is the better toa little pc
[08:31] <Keizer> How can I list the packages related to beep media player because it's crahsing when I try to play anything.
[08:31] <Keizer> I might need the MP3 plugin.
[08:31] <zenrox> lewiz,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for jre installing
[08:32] <gratuit> lewiz: have you tried make-jpkg? still not perfect by a long shot, but it does make it easy
[08:32] <Hackmo> Can anyone tell my why gaim just quits all by itself?
[08:32] <ecstasy> does anyone know where ubuntu's xmms skin directory is
[08:32] <lewiz> zenrox: Yeah, I've got it sorted now -- I installed some binary packages I found linked from there somewhere.  It's not ideal though.  Still, better than most :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Is there a program for Ubuntu to finetune the screen?
[08:32] <zenrox> ecstasy, ~/.xmms
[08:32] <ecstasy> how do i get there?
[08:32] <ecstasy> :/
[08:32] <n4cht> Hackmo, likely a segfault.  run gaim from a terminal window without using & to put it in the background, that way you can see why it's crashing.
[08:33] <zenrox> type that in nautlius
[08:33] <gratuit> ecstasy: cd ~/.xmms you might then have to make a directory called 'Skins'
[08:33] <garrut> hoi
[08:33] <djp> can anybody explain to me what gmstreamer0.8-plugins actually does? what formats does it support?
[08:34] <ecstasy> you know i dont have a directory bar in my natilus ;/
[08:34] <zenrox> ecstasy,  then do open location
[08:34] <zenrox> then type that in
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Or should I use xvidtune
[08:34] <n4cht> ecstasy, use a terminal window then.  :P   never underestimate CLI!
[08:34] <Neill> Hi, I need someone who knows about software raid
[08:34] <ecstasy> you guys are geniuses
[08:34] <ecstasy> thanks :] 
[08:35] <zenrox> lol
[08:35] <Keizer> <3
[08:35] <lewiz> Keizer: What is bmp?  All I can find seems to suggest it is a fancy version of xmms?
[08:35] <Neill> I have a software raid array on my ubuntu system (/dev/md0)
[08:35] <ecstasy> ah... now im satisfied.
[08:35] <Neill> and I've had a disk fail, and I've removed and replaced it (/dev/hde)
[08:35] <Keizer> lewiz, It's a Winamp clone be XMMStter than
[08:35] <lewiz> Keizer: Okay, I might give it a try.  Thanks :)
[08:35] <Neill> the other disc is fine, and the array is running in degraded mode. (/dev/hdg)
[08:35] <sianis> oh
[08:36] <sianis> now is runnuing the kernel insattl
[08:36] <Neill> It's just a simple raid1 array that uses each disc as a block device (no partitions)
[08:36] <sianis> i can't write :)
[08:36] <Neill> I want to know how to add /dev/hde back into the array
[08:36] <Neill> mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hde seemed like the right option but I get :
[08:37] <Neill> hot add failed for hde - invalid argument
[08:37] <Neill> any ideas?
[08:39] <Neill> no? Oh well, will try again later.. Thanks.
[08:39] <sianis> yeh
[08:39] <sianis> i think the installation is completed
[08:39] <xerox> airox: I found it, it was because of apache2-common apache2-utils and so on packages.
[08:40] <DaSkreech> SeeleyUSMC: Wanna help out a partial visual problem?
[08:43] <rempresent> i have a BCM94306 802.11g card, how can i get this card working
[08:44] <Burgundavia> rempresent: have you googled it and linux?
[08:44] <rempresent> as far as i know, it is recognized in my hardware profile, but i can't get it to work with the networks settings prefs
[08:44] <rempresent> yeah, but i got little information on it
[08:44] <rempresent> i was just wondering if anyone here has dealt w/ wifi
[08:45] <airox> xerox: hehe :)
[08:45] <lewiz> How does Ubuntu provide the remote desktop?  There is no vncserver installed and I can't even see a running instance.
[08:45] <Burgundavia> rempresent: different cards provide very different reponses
[08:45] <Burgundavia> lewiz: have you acivated it?
[08:45] <St0n3-C0l> How do i set my nameserver in resolv.conf When I reboot it automatically changes back to 0.0.0.0
[08:45] <amx> lewiz: it's called vino-server
[08:45] <lewiz> Burgundavia: Yep.  It works if I use vncclient and connect but I can't actually see it running.  Just wondering what VNC it is -- tight, secure, real, etc.?
[08:46] <lewiz> amx: Ah, thanks :)
[08:46] <typo> my disk seams to be doing spinning up/down noises even after I do hdparm -S 0. Anyone know what it might be?
[08:46] <xerox> airox: I'm going nuts.
[08:46] <rempresent> yeah, so i don't know where or how it is identified
[08:46] <xerox> those other packages doesn't want to go :\
[08:46] <rempresent> for example, my eth0 is my lan card
[08:47] <rempresent> what is the wifi card
[08:48] <synic_> anyone know about raid and the ich5r sata chipset?
[08:48] <synic_> (with the 2.6 kernel)
[08:49] <xerox> Do anybody know how to get a DSO-enabled apache2?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> lewiz: if I do a search for vnc, I don't see one either
[08:50] <mjr> rempresent, depends on the driver; eth1, wlan0, ath0...
[08:50] <typo> If I change a package's file, will it be overwriten on upgrade?
[08:50] <St0n3-C0l> How do i set my nameserver in resolv.conf When I reboot it automatically changes back to 0.0.0.0
[08:50] <rempresent> i don't even know if i have a driver
[08:50] <sheeparegreat> i have installed hoary and think I have this problem http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2004/09/msg00037.html what should I do?
[08:50] <lewiz> Burgundavia: amx says that it uses vino, which is a modified RealVNC as far as I can tell.
[08:50] <rempresent> but the device manager has been picking up my wireless card
[08:51] <synic_> alright... new question.  Is it possible to set up software raid during the ubuntu install?
[08:51] <sheeparegreat> i have all the symptoms... same error with rthymbox an totem
[08:51] <lewiz> amx: Can you tell me anything more about vino?  I've read two things at gnome.org but I'm just trying to find out if it does SSL by default.  It looks like everything is there but I want to be sure :)
[08:52] <typo> anyone know?
[08:52] <rempresent> mjr  it is a BCM94306 802.11g
[08:52] <amx> lewiz: I really don't know much about it... I just know that it's called vino, cause I had the same question you just had :)
[08:52] <lewiz> rempresent: There is no driver available for that.  Best you can hope is to use the ndiswrapper and the Windows .inf file.
[08:53] <lewiz> amx: Ah, okay.  Thanks very much :)
[08:53] <DaSkreech> Is there a Screen Fine Tune program for Ubuntu>
[08:53] <rempresent> mjr  what, no driver, dang....  how do obtain the .inf file
[08:53] <amx> lewiz: you're welcome...
[08:54] <Burgundavia> lewiz: ya, I forgot about vino
[08:56] <lewiz> amx: Found it -- desktop/gnome/remote_access, there is a flag to require encryption.  For some reason it is not set by default.
[08:57] <sheeparegreat> whould an error with the sound setup give me the error I mentioned?  I can hear sound now, the 'multimedia system selector; are both set to ESD is this correct? I dont really know how sound works in linux
[08:57] <St0n3-C0l> How do i set my nameserver in resolv.conf When I reboot it automatically changes back to 0.0.0.0
[08:57] <fissy> turn off dhcp?
[08:58] <St0n3-C0l> Do anyone use kernel-2.6.11 here ?
[08:58] <St0n3-C0l> Its on
[08:58] <St0n3-C0l> :S
[08:58] <amx> lewiz: ah cool, I didn't know about that...
[09:01] <lewiz> amx: Although... I just enabled it on one machine and I can no longer connect now.  This is probably a Debian non-free SSL thing :/
[09:01] <CarlK> other than browse/cut/vi/pate, is there a wget like way to get the text from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs01.html ?
[09:01] <sianis> hmm...
[09:02] <sianis> the installation is comleted
[09:02] <sianis> but after the restart, the X is not started...
[09:02] <JoeCotellese> Hello, I'm a ubuntu newbie and I have a question. I'm trying to get rhythmbox to decode m4a files. I know it uses GStreamer as a backend and I know GStreamer supports m4a through faad. How can I get this to work?
[09:02] <St0n3-C0l> lynx ?
[09:02] <St0n3-C0l> or links :S
[09:02] <St0n3-C0l> comleted :P
[09:02] <djp> can anybody tell me what the gstreamer plugin is actually for?
[09:03] <bluefoxicy> is there a way to set Gnome to use composite?
[09:03] <Keizer> How can I play MP3s on Ubuntu
[09:03] <Keizer> ?
[09:03] <JoeCotellese> Keizer: You need to install gstreamer-mad plugin.
[09:03] <garrut> bluefoxicy: yes
[09:03] <garrut> i'll look it up in mine
[09:03] <JoeCotellese> The plugins provide additional support for GStreamer.
[09:03] <CarlK> St0n3-C0l - does lynx have a "save as text" option?
[09:04] <Keizer> Heh
[09:04] <sheeparegreat> what is gstreamers purpose?
[09:04] <JoeCotellese> Keizer: MAD is not installed by default due to legal issues with mp3s
[09:04] <St0n3-C0l> lolz
[09:04] <bluefoxicy> garrut:  how :)
[09:04] <CarlK> Keizer - current hoary isn't working wiht my dlink
[09:04] <Keizer> CarlK, I got the wireless to work.
[09:04] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know of a program that lets you access your hotmail account or yahoo account?
[09:04] <Keizer> CarlK, I'm talking to you through it
[09:05] <djp> JoeCotellese: gstreamer is used by totem?
[09:05] <CarlK> lol
[09:05] <exalted> I'm using GNOME Desktop Environment in english, but my keyboard layout is different than english. In both "locales" and "keyboard layout" setting i've adjusted to the should to be settings
[09:05] <exalted>  but the result is nothing.
[09:05] <CarlK> Keizer - out of the box, or did you have to tweek something?
[09:05] <exalted> any help?
[09:05] <exalted> SeeleyUSMC: what do you mean?
[09:05] <JoeCotellese> djp: I'm not sure. Today is my first day using Ubuntu, I came from Gentoo/KDE. Rhythm box definately uses it.
[09:06] <St0n3-C0l> in which file do i put http_proxy to auto set on bootup
[09:06] <SeeleyUSMC> exalted, An e-mail client that allows you to access your hotmail e-mail account or your yahoo e-mail account
[09:06] <St0n3-C0l> One said in /etc/defaults Thats not working
[09:06] <exalted> SeeleyUSMC: E-Mail Client, i see now.
[09:07] <Keizer> CarlK, Once everything was installed I was able to get it to work.
[09:07] <St0n3-C0l> djp: Yes in Ubuntu but u can install totem-xine
[09:07] <djp> JoeCotellese: ok, thanks. so what does rhythmbox actually use it for? do i need the plugins for anything? i don't intend to playback mp3's, just ogg vorbis files basically. do i need the gstreamer-plugin to playback ogg vorbis?
[09:08] <JoeCotellese> djb: I think OGG works out of the box. Looking at my setup, libogg is installed by default.
[09:08] <Keizer> That gstreamer mad didn't do anything except install
[09:08] <CarlK> Keizer - so the installer didn't see it and set it up?
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> SeeleyUSMC: Yup there is :P
[09:08] <Keizer> I need to find the MP3 pack for Beep Media player
[09:08] <SeeleyUSMC> St0n3-C0l, what is it?
[09:08] <sheeparegreat> anybody had anyproblems with rythym box/ sound post install? it doesnt work on mine it gives me this error "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type application/x-id3." xmms works and so does xine, rthymbox and totem dont :(
[09:08] <Keizer> CarlK,  The installer seen it, but wouldn't connect to any networks.
[09:08] <CarlK> I will swear that in mid Feb all I did was install
[09:08] <knewt> don't suppose there's any docs anywhere on building .deb's from xorg cvs? would make my life much easier
[09:08] <JoeCotellese> Keizer: When I installed gstreamer-mad it brought in libmad. This was all I needed to do.
[09:08] <JoeCotellese> Keizer: I just did this an hour or so ago.
[09:08] <CarlK> Keizer -  that is more than I am getting, I think
[09:09] <Keizer> JoeCotellese, With Rythmbox?
[09:09] <exalted> SeeleyUSMC: http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/
[09:09] <JoeCotellese> Keizer: Yup, let me see if I can dig up the link.
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> SeeleyUSMC: Microsoft Outlook (Works in Windows and Access only Hotmail Accounts) :P
[09:09] <CarlK> Keizer - but I am glad yours is up - wouldn't want to have caused you to waste a bunch of time
[09:10] <St0n3-C0l> Why my /etc/resolv.conf refreshes on every reboot
[09:10] <alitoch> Hello
[09:10] <JoeCotellese> Keizer: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-302.html
[09:10] <Noesis> when i run pon my pc dials up, it is connected but i cannot ping an external ip - it doesnt seem to use the ppp adapter as gateway
[09:10] <alitoch> I have some great problems to install/configure my second compu's PCI Modem
[09:10] <alitoch> some help?
[09:10] <St0n3-C0l> ali
[09:10] <St0n3-C0l> Hello
[09:10] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[09:10] <exalted> SeeleyUSMC: I have nothing to say about the Hotmail case :-)
[09:11] <Noesis> St0n3-C0l: you may have dns set to dynamic
[09:11] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, because you're on dhcp
[09:11] <St0n3-C0l> Ohh PCI Modem
[09:11] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[09:11] <t325> hello is the person I sent the e-mail about font sizes here? (I'm not on my pc and need the info I sent you)
[09:11] <alitoch> hello St0n3-C0l :)
[09:11] <CarlK> St0n3-C0l - I think dhcp client creates that file when the server gives it DNS's
[09:11] <zyga> hello
[09:11] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...
[09:11] <St0n3-C0l> well having probs this tyme only
[09:11] <Seveas> CarlK, not completely
[09:11] <exalted> Gentlemen anyone with experiences about ipw2200 device here?
[09:12] <Seveas> it's resolvconf that does that
[09:12] <alitoch> my modem is detected, i can see it in the Device Manager (I'm under Ubuntu Hoary)
[09:12] <Seveas> exalted, a bit
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to fine tune the Screen in Ubuntu?
[09:12] <alitoch> but when i run pppconfig and try pon to connect, I just can't resolve any address
[09:12] <zyga> I'm running up-to-date hoary and files created in ~/Desktop don't really appear on the screen untill I manually hit ctrl+r
[09:12] <Seveas> DaSkreech, what do you mean with 'The Screen'
[09:12] <exalted> Seveas: Installed Ubuntu hoary preview, he got my device, but couldn't connect to the router.
[09:12] <DaSkreech> The Display
[09:12] <St0n3-C0l> Seveas: on startup it says running 0dns-down to check if resolv.conf is ok
[09:12] <alitoch> I tried to install setserial package, but my Hoary LiveCD doesn't recognize the floppy disk :'(
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Seveas: It's part way off the monitor
[09:13] <Seveas> exalted, what kind of security?
[09:13] <exalted> Seveas: security?
[09:13] <Seveas> DaSkreech, sounds like you need to adjust your monitor
[09:13] <Seveas> exalted, wireess security WEP, WPA or something
[09:13] <DaSkreech> I have other OSes on the same machine adjusting Ubuntu means that I'd have to adjust all the others every time I Login
[09:14] <exalted> Seveas: let's say no security :-)
[09:14] <Seveas> ah ok exalted :)
[09:14] <ice_1963> that's funny=)
[09:14] <zyga> DaSkreech: It's probably different refresh rate
[09:14] <zyga> DaSkreech: I've seen it often on LCD displays
[09:14] <St0n3-C0l> Seveas: You said before that If you want to set http_proxy on bootup put it in /etc/defaults
[09:14] <St0n3-C0l> nothing happened
[09:14] <exalted> Seveas: So what do you have for me?
[09:14] <DaSkreech> zyga: That makes the display come off the screen?
[09:14] <DaSkreech> zyga: As in Off center?
[09:15] <bluefoxicy> nope, and on top of it running xcompmgr is dangerous because then gnome can't log out o.O
[09:15] <zyga> DaSkreech: yes
[09:15] <bluefoxicy> it freezes on logout
[09:15] <Seveas> if you type in a terminal: sudo iwconfig wifi0 essid YOUR_SSID and after that type dhclient wifi0, what does it say (of course replace wifi0 with your devices name)
[09:15] <alitoch> ...no help?
[09:15] <DaSkreech> zyga: Hmm how would I determine the right refresh rate?
[09:15] <Seveas> DaSkreech, does your display scroll with the mouse movements?
[09:15] <zyga> DaSkreech: don't -- simply make sure all oses use the same
[09:15] <Seveas> if so, it's merely a resolution problem
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Seveas: No the resolution is right. Just Off center
[09:16] <exalted> Seveas: allright i've to change to the Ubuntu then, be back in a (short) while.
[09:16] <zyga> DaSkreech: adjust the monitor in ubuntu and reboot to 'other' system
[09:16] <zyga> it should be exactly wrong ;] 
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Right then I adjust for that OS and reboot :)
[09:16] <zyga> DaSkreech: no
[09:16] <alitoch> hum.. thank you however
[09:16] <alitoch> bye
[09:17] <zyga> DaSkreech: then you know it's your monitor ;] 
[09:17] <mrproper> How do I get the source to the kernel I am running in Horay?
[09:17] <zyga> DaSkreech: play with different refresh rates and you'll find the right one
[09:17] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[09:17] <St0n3-C0l> alitoch
[09:17] <zyga> mrproper: apt-get source
[09:17] <DaSkreech> zyga: That can get a little dangerous under Linux
[09:17] <St0n3-C0l> you're net less then how you're online :>
[09:17] <alitoch> mrproper> apt-cache search kernel, then choose
[09:17] <drspin> does anyone kow of a utility that I can use to find packages that I don't use on my system?
[09:17] <alitoch> and run uname -a to get your kernel version
[09:18] <St0n3-C0l> Really
[09:18] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[09:18] <St0n3-C0l> Out Of Frequency
[09:18] <Keizer> With apt, how can I install EVERY package associated with beep-media-player?
[09:18] <alitoch> i said it is my second computer, St0n3-C0l  :)
[09:18] <St0n3-C0l> oh
[09:18] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[09:18] <alitoch> I am currently on the first
[09:18] <alitoch> Keizer : i suppose apt-get install beep-media-player*
[09:18] <mrproper> What package does the kernel come in?
[09:18] <alitoch> so could your try to help me now St0n3-C0l  ? :)
[09:19] <zyga> DaSkreech: well... ;] 
[09:19] <Keizer> alitoch, Ok
[09:19] <zyga> DaSkreech: try going lower
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> I can't with modems :P
[09:19] <zyga> DaSkreech: shouldn't hurt
[09:19] <exalted> Seveas, im back. what i have to do again pls
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> I had a winmodem and now I am on LAN :P
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> winmodem never worked for me on Linux
[09:19] <lewiz> DaSkreech: I doubt it can.  Any monitor that's not a decade old will handle it appropriately.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> zyga: OK I'll build a script that restores the X Defaults before trying
[09:20] <alitoch> My modem is not a winmodem as Linux detects with with the devicemanager
[09:20] <DaSkreech> lewiz: Yeah but you can set it too high then the monitor just goes off then you kinda sit there tapping your fingers
[09:20] <alitoch> although, it doesn't detect it with the Network manager or pppconfig :'(
[09:20] <lewiz> DaSkreech: CTRL+ALT+F1 will drop you to a console without any hassle :)
[09:20] <mrproper> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-source-2.6.10
[09:21] <echnaton> hi i have a question! iam using 2 sound devices! where can i set my primary sound device?
[09:21] <Keizer> It still crashes
[09:21] <ice_1963> lol
[09:21] <zooko> Hm.  I ran reportbug, and it looks like it is going to send mail to *debian's* bug tracker.
[09:21] <warty> can the clusters out of range be fix ?
[09:21] <exalted> Seveas, sorry buddy i had to reboot my PC, can you tell again that line please
[09:21] <zooko> Which they will probably reject as being a bug report about ubuntu config.
[09:21] <Mr_Lurrrrr> hi, anyone know how to configure Virtual interfaces at boot_
[09:22] <Seveas> exalted, ok
[09:22] <Seveas> two lines:
[09:22] <DaSkreech> zyga: So leave scanlines alone?
[09:22] <Keizer> With apt, how can I remove beep media player?
[09:22] <Keizer> I need to reinstall the entire thing.
[09:22] <zooko> Keizer: I suggest you learn debfoster or synaptic instead of apt.
[09:22] <Keizer> I know Synaptic
[09:22] <Seveas> sudo iwconfig wifi0 essid YOUR_SSID (change wifi to the name of your device and YOUR_SSID to the actual ssid)
[09:22] <dualm> hello friends,
[09:22] <zooko> Because with apt, you can remove a package, but it will not automatically suggest to you a bunch of related packages that you might want to remove...
[09:22] <Seveas> sudo dhclient wifi0 (change wifi0 again)
[09:22] <kukel> Keizer: apt-get remove <package>
[09:23] <Seveas> if all goes right, dhclient should after a few secs say it got an ip
[09:23] <xerox> Who there isn't apxs if I installed apache2?
[09:23] <xerox> It's *so* bad, where can I find it?
[09:23] <zooko> Maybe reportbug shouldn't be in main if it doesn't report to ubuntu.
[09:23] <Mr_Lurrrrr> hi, does anyone know how to configure Virtual interfaces to get up at boot
[09:23] <xerox> If anybody has it, could he mind to check in which package is it, and tell me?
[09:23] <St0n3-C0l> how do I start my SSH Server ?
[09:24] <dualm> woody used to show an icon on the desktop whenever a partition is mounted, How do i bring the same in Hoary?
[09:24] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, have you installed it yet?
[09:24] <zyga> St0n3-C0l: sshd
[09:24] <Seveas> because it is started on boot
[09:24] <Seveas> zyga no
[09:24] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/sshd start
[09:24] <BARBoy>  I am new to ubuntu and i need help with getting onto the interet, can someone PM please?
[09:24] <zyga> Seveas: well ;] 
[09:24] <exalted> Seveas, he s doing the dhcpdiscover thing...
[09:24] <zyga> Seveas: it does start too ;] 
[09:24] <zyga> Seveas: but you're right ofcourse
[09:24] <Seveas> zyga, yeah but not in the correct way
[09:25] <pikator> hi
[09:25] <djp> St0n3-C0lis there a need for both xine-totem and gstreamer-plugins?
[09:25] <St0n3-C0l> wait
[09:25] <St0n3-C0l> installin
[09:25] <ice_1963> is ubuntu from woody or sarge ?????
[09:25] <stephen_> Hi
[09:25] <stephen_> I am back :D
[09:25] <stephen_> i finished intalling UBUNTU
[09:25] <St0n3-C0l> djp: Nopes
[09:25] <St0n3-C0l> get xinelib and totem-xine
[09:25] <echnaton> ubuntu is forum debian!
[09:25] <pikator> does one know where the kernel header files are placed in ubuntu? (need it to install VMTools)
[09:25] <ice_1963> ok
[09:26] <stephen_> How do i get Ubuntu To work with my external HD and how do i play WMV files?
[09:26] <ice_1963> lol
[09:26] <exalted> Seveas, no dhcpoffers received.
[09:26] <wlach> I'm having some weird problems getting my networking up.. it works when I first install it (or when I boot from livecd), but networking won't come up on subsequent boots
[09:26] <alitoch> pikator > /usr/lib/src
[09:26] <djp> St0n3-C0l: you would recommend totem-xine, correct?
[09:26] <stephen_> How do i get Ubuntu To work with my external HD and how do i play WMV files?
[09:26] <St0n3-C0l> and Get w32-codecs too (If Possible) and put them in /home/username/.gnome2/totem-addons/ If you want to view .wmv movies
[09:26] <pikator> thank you alitoch
[09:26] <wlach> I'm using the rtl8139 networking card (in lieu of an onboard 3c905). Any ideas?
[09:26] <St0n3-C0l> Yep
[09:26] <St0n3-C0l> it will automatically remove totem with gstreamer
[09:26] <alitoch> welcome, pikator
[09:26] <ob1kenobi> is there a program for ubuntu which rips and compress a DVD, like DVDShrink does?
[09:26] <St0n3-C0l> and then it will install totem-xine
[09:27] <echnaton> dvd::rip
[09:27] <stephen_> ya I am looking for that 2
[09:27] <echnaton> but its illegal
[09:27] <stephen_> How do i install it in ubunto?
[09:27] <Keizer> This is lame
[09:27] <stephen_> DVD::rip.
[09:27] <zooko> Argh.  then reportbug crashes.  I'll report the bug in reportbug via HTTP I guess.
[09:27] <lewiz> Is it just me or is Sound Juicer crap?  I'm all for simple user interfaces but damn.  Three output choices?  grip here we go.
[09:27] <Keizer> Beep-Media-Player is awesome and I can't use it
[09:27] <stephen_> how do i get?
[09:27] <Keizer> !!!
[09:27] <alitoch> St0n3-C0l> isn't it better to install the codecs in /usr/lib/win32, so it is available for all the users ?
[09:27] <ob1kenobi> echnaton, dvd::rip does not compress
[09:27] <djp> St0n3-C0l: i would not need to install the w32codecs as well would i, unless i wanted to use the formats that are supported in the codec?
[09:27] <Keizer> CarlK, Have you goten beep-media-player to work?
[09:27] <echnaton> of course
[09:27] <echnaton> transcode
[09:27] <echnaton> sry
[09:27] <Stuttergart> has anyone tried to use OpenOffice with a scanner in Hoary?
[09:27] <Keizer> I need my MP3s!!
[09:27] <zooko> Whoops, can't report bugs on the bugzilla without working e-mail.  Catch 22.  Suck.
[09:27] <St0n3-C0l> alitoch: I don't think totem will read it from /usr/lib/win32
[09:27] <stephen_> HOW do i RIP and BURN a DVD in Linux, How Do i Get my external harddrive to work? How do i get WMV to work?
[09:27] <Stuttergart> I have libsane installed but OpenOffice isn't seeing the scanner device even though xsane does.
[09:28] <exalted> Seveas, no dhcpoffers received. (sorry about repeating)
[09:28] <St0n3-C0l> If you install xine-ui and set the path to /usr/lib/win32 then totem-xine will read it from that directory
[09:28] <stephen_> ...
[09:28] <zooko> Keizer: I listen to mp3z (and oggz) with xmms.
[09:28] <alitoch> St0n3-C0l> Believe me, it does :)
[09:28] <alitoch> I've tried and it works
[09:28] <Keizer> zooko, It looks like I will succumb
[09:28] <zooko> Right now I'm listening to an ogg vorbis radio stream from Czech republic.  I think.
[09:28] <zooko> I guess the default in Ubuntu is gstreamer or something ?
[09:28] <alitoch> Then, you just have to do apt-get remove totem-gstreamer && apt-get install totem-xine
[09:28] <zooko> The default music player.
[09:28] <alitoch> that's the whole job
[09:28] <lewiz> stephen_: I'd install mplayer and w32codecs for your wmv files.
[09:29] <St0n3-C0l> good so djp try to put win32codecs in /usr/lib/win32 :)
[09:29] <alitoch> ;)
[09:29] <St0n3-C0l> and don't forget to 'mkdir /usr/lib/win32'
[09:29] <Seveas> exalted, hi, sorry for thr delay
[09:29] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[09:29] <stephen_> LEWIZ: Ok where do i find w32codec and how i install mplayer?
[09:30] <lewiz> stephen_: Use Synaptic Package Manager -- it's in System->Administration if you're using Hoary.
[09:30] <Seveas> do you have an access list on the router ( i know i have one and alwys forget to add new cards so I'm alway cursing about why things dont work)
[09:30] <alitoch> stephen > on mplayer official site, you'll find the codecs, you can get mplayer via apt-get
[09:30] <stephen_> apt-get?
[09:30] <stephen_> how does that work
[09:30] <alitoch> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[09:31] <alitoch> it is a command to download applications from ubuntu repositories
[09:31] <exalted> Seveas, you mean what
[09:31] <stephen_> E: counldn't find
[09:31] <stephen_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:31] <stephen_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:31] <stephen_> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[09:31] <St0n3-C0l> mplayer is very much buggy :S
[09:31] <Uboo> I've got a .deb package (the application wasn't available through apt-get). What command do I use to install it?
[09:31] <St0n3-C0l> When I start playing a movie it hangs
[09:31] <alitoch> you have to modify /etc/apt/sources.list, stephen_
[09:31] <stephen_> how
[09:31] <stephen_> What i type in?
[09:31] <alitoch> or to use Synaptic and modify its Repositories
[09:31] <alitoch> You have many howtos on the net
[09:31] <alitoch> Google it, stephen
[09:31] <St0n3-C0l> stephen_: Your /etc/apt/sources.list is set on CDROM
[09:31] <Seveas> exalted, on my router I have an access list and have to add mac addresses for cards that want to join the net
[09:32] <stephen_> What?
[09:32] <stephen_> THE
[09:32] <stephen_> Fook lol ok
[09:32] <Seveas> exalted, is your machine dual-boot? if so, does the card work in windows?
[09:32] <newbilonzo> Hi people. I'm totally new to Ubuntu and Linux in general... Would this be the right channel to ask stupid questions, or would there be a newbie-channel for those? My problem is mounting an ex-windows hd..
[09:32] <stephen_> What i type?
[09:32] <St0n3-C0l> Uboo: dpkg -i filename
[09:32] <Uboo> St0n3-C0l: thanks.
[09:32] <stephen_> hOw i get my external USB hard drive to work?
[09:32] <St0n3-C0l> Uboo: Anytime :)
[09:32] <Seveas> newbilonzo, you can ask all stupid questions you want :)
[09:32] <exalted> Seveas, note that in prior installation the same ubuntu receveid many times offers from dhcp.
[09:33] <DaSkreech> newbilonzo: What File system?
[09:33] <Seveas> stephen_, just plug it in :)
[09:33] <newbilonzo> seveas, here comes: /dev/hda1   *           1        1024     8225275+  54  OnTrackDM6
[09:33] <punkass> any devs here know how to read info coming from a usb mouse
[09:33] <stephen_> I did
[09:33] <newbilonzo> /dev/hda2            1025        1285     2096451    e  W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[09:33] <Seveas> exalted, that is odd
[09:33] <stephen_> I DONT SEe anything
[09:33] <stephen_> wher is it?
[09:33] <Seveas> punkass, what do you mean?
[09:33] <stephen_> I MISS My movies wHERE where where i plugged in.. SO MANY people haave been saying "PLUG it in" that i am getting frustarted :(
[09:33] <rosco> hi
[09:33] <punkass> well i have a mx1000 mouse, and on windows it has a battery monitor
[09:33] <stephen_> BECAUSE i dont see s***
[09:34] <newbilonzo> seveas, I just can't find the proper -t type to get that to mount
[09:34] <punkass> i was thinking i would like to try and make an applet for linux
[09:34] <zooko> Getting status for reportbug...
[09:34] <zooko> Will send report to Ubuntu (per request).
[09:34] <newbilonzo> Not even the fat16
[09:34] <maddler> punkass... kinda hard... ;)
[09:34] <rosco> big problem here: the iso preview verion of hoary 64 isn't booting at all
[09:34] <exalted> Seveas, yeah debian based distro are good on my machine. believe me ive tried 100 of times, fortunately he couldnt freezed during installation this time, but no wireless :(
[09:34] <Keizer> zooko, Even XMMS is crashing while playing MP3s
[09:34] <rosco> I've burned the iso with a dvd rewriter and a cd rewritr
[09:34] <maddler> rosco... did u tried on another cd-rom drive?
[09:34] <zooko> Keizer: that's interesting.
[09:34] <rosco> i've checked the md5
[09:34] <punkass> well the mouse works fine, so it thought that the base may be setting out the info and i could read it somehow
[09:34] <zooko> How about mpg123 from the cmdline.  Or mpg321 or something.
[09:35] <punkass> setting = sending
[09:35] <Keizer> zooko, It's bad luck
[09:35] <Keizer> zooko, I didn't install mpg123 because I installed xmms-mas
[09:35] <Keizer> xmms-mad*
[09:35] <rosco> maddler: I've burned with 2 different devices and tried to boot with those two devices too, no success
[09:35] <stephen_> HOW do i get my USB hD to work?
[09:35] <Seveas> stephen_, what does mount say after you plugged it in
[09:35] <rosco> the warty iso was booting fine...
[09:36] <stephen_> i dont know MAN i am new to this linux
[09:36] <stephen_> I just plugged it in
[09:36] <stephen_> that's it
[09:36] <rosco> even the previous daily releases of hoary were booting, just the preview isn't
[09:36] <stephen_> now what to do?
[09:36] <Seveas> stephen_, in a terminal type mount and paste the output in a private message
[09:36] <alitoch> stephen_> try sudo modprobe ide-scsi
[09:36] <alitoch> then plug your USB FlashDisk
[09:36] <Keizer> zooko, just installed it
[09:36] <Seveas> newbilonzo, i don't undderstand your question, can you be a bit more specific
[09:36] <Keizer> Going to see if it will work
[09:36] <alitoch> and then, try the command : sudo mount -a
[09:36] <stephen_> i did
[09:36] <drspin> stephen_: warty or hoary?
[09:37] <stephen_> warty
[09:37] <drspin> stephen_: what filesystem is on the disk?
[09:37] <stephen_> NTFS
[09:37] <maddler> rosco... bios?
[09:37] <drspin> stephen_: I actually just solved this problem the other night -- with the maintainer of the autoplug packages :)
[09:37] <drspin> stephen_: /msg me
[09:37] <Keizer> zooko, Anything else I will need beside mpg123?
[09:37] <Seveas> newbilonzo, fat partitions are mounted as type vfat
[09:38] <stephen_> how
[09:38] <Seveas> newbilonzo, does that help?
[09:38] <rosco> maddler: I don't think so, I've installed multiple version of warty and hoary without problems
[09:38] <drspin> stephen_: type /msg drspin hi
[09:38] <newbilonzo> seveas, I have tried all sorts of "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/160a
[09:38] <rosco> maddler: could it be the burn speed ?
[09:38] <Jesterace> i'm giving a hoary preview install cd a go
[09:38] <Jesterace> heh
[09:38] <Jesterace> i've always installed warty then dist-upgraded to hoary :P
[09:39] <drspin> newbilonzo: if this is a USB drive it will /dev/sda1
[09:39] <rosco> Is it possible to upgrade to the preview version of hoary, from an old daily release ?
[09:39] <Seveas> newbilonzo, can i send you private messages?
[09:39] <newbilonzo> seveas,"type of commands, adding -o=fat-16 and yet nothing...
[09:39] <alitoch> stephen> sudo mkdir /mnt/usb && sudo mount -t ntfs -o uid=1000 /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb should work
[09:40] <exalted> Seveas, so what i can do to get work this?
[09:40] <zooko> Keizer: I thought playing an mp3 with mpg123 woudl be a good way to find out whether the crash is in audio subsystem or elsewhere...
[09:40] <Keizer> Maybe I should change the audio driver from ALSA to OSS
[09:40] <maddler> rosco... that would be kinda strange...
[09:41] <Keizer> I was listening to MP3s with Beep Media Player on Fedora Core on this laptopl.
[09:41] <Seveas> exalted, read the manpages for iwconfig, ifconfig and dhclient and experiment a bit ...
[09:41] <maddler> rosco... the md5 would fail
[09:41] <maddler> oh... is any1 able to use XINE?
[09:41] <zooko> I think there is a recent bug in hoary's audio myself.
[09:41] <zooko> If I could submit bug reports, I would submit one about that...
[09:42] <henke> have the boot time improvements made their way into hoary?
[09:42] <punkass> so maddler: you say its kinda hard...any thoughts where i can start researching?
[09:42] <exalted> Seveas, as to your opinion in the system>administration>networking what are the essential parts to be filled to not having problem?
[09:42] <Keizer> It's using OSS right now hehe
[09:42] <Keizer> With Alsa it WONT work
[09:42] <zooko> try esd
[09:42] <lamont> does gnome allow one to drop pretty icons on the login screen for the existant users?
[09:42] <maddler> punkass... google? :)
[09:42] <punkass> lol
[09:42] <alitoch> yes, I have the same thing since i am under hoary , Keizer :)
[09:42] <stephen_> How to get USB hd to work
[09:42] <stephen_> ideas
[09:42] <Seveas> exalted, ssid or network name
[09:42] <Keizer> alitoch, And you can listen to MP3s?
[09:43] <lamont> found it
[09:43] <Keizer> I need some music!
[09:43] <zooko> hoary *waS* working for me until I upgraded last week, then it broke.
[09:43] <Jesterace> heh i listen to music with hoary
[09:43] <zooko> things wouldn't *crash*, but they would *hang* whenever they tried to open the audio output device with alsa.
[09:43] <stephen_> How do i get Mplayer
[09:43] <zooko> The workaround I discovered was to kill -15 the esd process before using the alsa thing.  :-)
[09:43] <Keizer> LMAO
[09:43] <Keizer> I'm going for it
[09:44] <Keizer> zooko, How do I get the esd pid?
[09:44] <stephen_> anyone
[09:44] <St0n3-C0l> apt-get install mplayer
[09:44] <stephen_> wtf
[09:45] <stephen_> error
[09:45] <maddler> stephen_... use Synaptic :)
[09:45] <zooko> Keizer: ps eax | grep esd
[09:45] <exalted> Seveas, thx anyway
[09:45] <stephen_> WHat the FOOK is that?
[09:45] <St0n3-C0l> but I think its really buggy one that in Ubuntu's Archive
[09:45] <stephen_> synpactic?
[09:45] <stephen_> how how how
[09:45] <St0n3-C0l> What error?
[09:45] <stephen_> long 1
[09:46] <St0n3-C0l> stephen_: http://mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html
[09:46] <St0n3-C0l> Download tarballs and install
[09:46] <stephen_> tarballs?
[09:46] <stephen_> How i install
[09:46] <alitoch> Keizer> i can with beep-media-player, when i change to OSS
[09:46] <St0n3-C0l> thats much better
[09:46] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: http://ftp2.de.freesbie.org/mirror/mplayer/stable/main/binary-i386/
[09:46] <alitoch> Keizer> i didn't need to install any other library, everything comes with the BMPlayer package
[09:47] <caffinated> assuming you'd like debs
[09:47] <choisy> anyone knows of a way to create a bootable dvd from a cd iso image?
[09:47] <St0n3-C0l> ./configure , make && make install
[09:47] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[09:47] <alitoch> stephen_> tar xzvf if it is a .tar.gz tarball and tar jxvf if it is a .tar.bz2 tarball...
[09:47] <Keizer> OMFG
[09:47] <lukfugl> any ruby users in here? trying to get 1.8.2 installed on ubuntu
[09:47] <alitoch> can't you use GOOGLE, Stephen ?
[09:47] <Keizer> The kill -15 esd pid worked!
[09:47] <Keizer> I have MP3s!
[09:47] <alitoch> cool Keizer
[09:47] <alitoch> does BMP load it ?
[09:48] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah really
[09:48] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[09:48] <St0n3-C0l> caffinated: Don't you think this is mirror of marrilat
[09:48] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[09:49] <St0n3-C0l> or marilliat
[09:49] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: it might be, i don't know.  i couldn't find .deb packages on the official mplayer site, so i went looking.
[09:49] <caffinated> use them, or don't.  it makes no difference to me ;)
[09:50] <zooko> Keizer: maybe you could submit a bug report to Ubuntu so they could fix this bug with esd vs. alsa before they release hoary...
[09:50] <zooko> Anybody know how to configure postfix to send to a smarthost on a non-standard SMTP port?
[09:51] <kezz> can I resize a windows partition using the ubuntu installer without data loss?
[09:51] <zooko> http://www.google.com/search?q=postfix%20relayhost%20port&num=30
[09:51] <caffinated> zooko: after some poking, i've found that the issue isn't with alsa and esd.  it's with some sound cards, and a lack of hardware mixing.
[09:51] <zooko> thank you, google
[09:51] <lamont> zooko: relayhost= [foo.baz.com] :2525
[09:51] <lamont> I think
[09:51] <SeeleyUSMC> kezz, I've done it with success
[09:51] <caffinated> i have a soundblaster MP3+ USB which is not properly supported by linux
[09:51] <zooko> caffinated: I dunno -- it worked on my box until I did sudo apt-get upgrade last week.
[09:51] <zooko> lamont: thanks!
[09:51] <caffinated> however, an old soundblaster live value doesn't suffer the problems
[09:51] <SeeleyUSMC> keffo, Just make sure you defrag your partitions first
[09:52] <St0n3-C0l> caffinated: Rude attitude :P
[09:52] <kezz> thanks SeeleyUSMC
[09:52] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: i don't see what's rude about it.
[09:52] <SeeleyUSMC> kezz, I'm just glad I can help someone out for a change :)
[09:52] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: if i wanted to be rude, i wouldn't have offered you any suggestions at all.
[09:53] <zooko> lamont: currently it says "relayhost=vorpal.notabug.com".  I'm changing it to "relayhost=vorpal.notabug.com:26".
[09:53] <ice_1963> lol
[09:53] <ice_1963> do tel
[09:54] <SeeleyUSMC> Grr...the auto-finish for nicks in X-Chat sucks
[09:54] <Keizer> zooko, Hah, I like using OSS and that's what's working now
[09:54] <caffinated> zooko: anyhow, since i switched audio devices, all the problems went away.  *shrug*
[09:54] <St0n3-C0l> caffinated: You can add that link in ur Synaptic too
[09:54] <Keizer> Before it was trying to use OSS and couldn't because of ESD
[09:54] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: i'm aware of that.
[09:54] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: i only wanted the mplayer debs myself though, so i didn't bother to.
[09:54] <Kamion> mplayer's in multiverse guys :)
[09:55] <Kamion> if it's buggy, please suggest fixes
[09:55] <caffinated> Kamion: is it?  iirc, i searched for it and it wasn't there (and yes, i added the multiverse in sources.list)
[09:55] <Kamion> we don't want people to *have* to go off to random repositories if we can help it
[09:56] <caffinated> Kamion: is this a recent addition?
[09:56] <Kamion> caffinated: only mplayer-custom in warty it seems; hoary has mplayer-{386,586,686}
[09:56] <Kamion> er, and k6 and k7
[09:56] <ice_1963> k7
[09:56] <gro> no k8? ;)
[09:56] <orion2012> Very noob question: I remember reading that ubuntu packages were not compatible with debian packages, so why then does marillat's repos work which seem to be debian specific.  What am I not getting?
[09:56] <Kamion> gro: there is mplayer-amd64
[09:56] <caffinated> Kamion: strange.  the only version i have in the hoary repos is the one i put in.
[09:57] <Kamion> mplayer-386 | 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 | hoary/multiverse | i386
[09:57] <Kamion> definitely there, perhaps you didn't switch on multiverse
[09:57] <zooko> orion2012: sometimes deb packages can work on ubuntu or vice versa.  sometimes not, and trying can lead to bad tangles.
[09:57] <caffinated> Kamion: no, it's on.
[09:57] <lamont> zooko:
[09:57] <caffinated> Kamion: i'm not new to debian ;)
[09:57] <Kamion> caffinated: no but you might've thought it was in universe; that's a common mistake to make
[09:57] <orion2012> zooko: : so marillat's have generally been tested and seem to work?
[09:57] <lamont> zooko: should really say relayhost=[vorpal.notabug.com] :26  unless you really want to try port 26 on the MX list for vorpal
[09:58] <Kamion> /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/morgue/2004-11-03/mplayer-386_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu2_i386.deb
[09:58] <Kamion> that's the earliest version in the morgue, so it's been around that long
[09:58] <St0n3-C0l> I was jus kidding dun take that on ur heart :P
[09:58] <St0n3-C0l> and take anywhere u would like :PPPpp
[09:58] <Jesterace> i prefer compiling from source
[09:58] <St0n3-C0l> except ur heart eh :P
[09:59] <zooko> lamont: thanks!!
[09:59] <rimbert> I'm locked out.  gdm can't find human and default themes, and the chooser won't let me input my username
[09:59] <Keizer> Ubuntu hates me
[09:59] <zooko> zooko: I use, or haveused, marillat's repo for mplayer on ubuntu on athlon64
[09:59] <zooko> Err, I mean orion2012:
[10:00] <rimbert> and the kernel update broke my nvidia
[10:00] <orion2012> well... any ppc users? I'm trying to find a package for libid3 and libmad...
[10:00] <rimbert> Anybody else locked out of gdm now after the update?
[10:00] <caffinated> Kamion: i'll poke around and see what i can see.  thanks for the heads up.
[10:00] <zooko> Ooooh.  Can I get access to the morgue?  That could be useful.
[10:00] <Kamion> np
[10:01] <Kamion> zooko: http://morgue.ubuntu.com/
[10:01] <zooko> :-)
[10:01] <alitoch> what's the morgue ? :o
[10:01] <Kamion> alitoch: dead packages
[10:01] <alitoch> seems interesting, gonna take a look
[10:01] <Kamion> alitoch: only useful for research
[10:01] <alitoch> oh ok :)
[10:01] <alitoch> thanks
[10:01] <rimbert> This is the most broken I've ever seen Hoary
[10:01] <alitoch> I though it was dead developpers of the Ubuntu team :p
[10:01] <zooko> Potentially useful for reverting after upgrade breaks something, eh?
[10:02] <Kamion> zooko: mm, we'd rather it weren't widely advertised as such because it would reduce the incentive for us to fix things :)
[10:02] <zookofamilytime> :-)
[10:02] <zookofamilytime> Thanks, #ubuntu!  I'll be back tomorrow.
[10:02] <rimbert> zooko: but today is a good day to use it, given the breakage ;)
[10:04] <Albacker> guys can anyone help me ? : eni@galaxy:~$ alsamixer
[10:04] <Albacker> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[10:04] <Keizer> ouch
[10:04] <slept> I'm looking for an easy to use homepage generation gui , does anyone know ?
[10:04] <St0n3-C0l> caffinated: Don't you find mplayer a bit buggy ?? from multiverse or universe
[10:04] <Keizer> slept, Quanta or Bluefish?
[10:05] <gro> or screem?
[10:05] <WhiteRabbit> slept, http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ -- http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ -- http://www.nvu.com/index.html
[10:05] <alitoch> slept> NVU
[10:05] <St0n3-C0l> There was a new application
[10:05] <slept>  thanks
[10:05] <alitoch> lol, WhiteRabbit, same idea same time :)
[10:06] <alitoch> i'm gonna eat
[10:06] <alitoch> see you later
[10:06] <Albacker> can anyone help me with the alsamixer problem which I posted before ? ? ? ?
[10:06] <Albacker> can anyone help me with the alsamixer problem which I posted before ? ? ? ?
[10:06] <St0n3-C0l> I don't remember the name was sponsored by Linspire
[10:06] <WhiteRabbit> alitoch, you was 4 seconds off though ;)~
[10:06] <gro> St0n3-C0l: that is nvu
[10:06] <caffinated> St0n3-C0l: i didn't get it from the standard ubuntu repositories.  i have not had any problems with it so far.
[10:06] <St0n3-C0l> nvu ehe :P
[10:06] <caffinated> Albacker: repeating several times is not likely to get you any help.
[10:06] <Bizzeh> hey, im doin a bit of research
[10:07] <Bizzeh> how much faster (binary wise) is ubuntu than debian, if any?
[10:07] <gro> Albacker: what soundcard do you have? it is probably not detected by ubunty
[10:07] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah I forgot :P I was gonna give nvu link to slept
[10:07] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[10:07] <St0n3-C0l> thanks
[10:08] <Albacker> caffinated : sorry.
[10:08] <Albacker> gro, I can see it while booting into ubuntu
[10:08] <St0n3-C0l> Albacker: There is no sound ?
[10:08] <St0n3-C0l> have u tried 'alsamixer' on kernel
[10:09] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, no
[10:09] <caffinated> Albacker: no problem.  just wanted you to know so you didn't inadvertantly screw yourself ;)
[10:09] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, ??
[10:09] <St0n3-C0l> Albacker: Try 'alsamixer' in terminal
[10:09] <Keizer> I need to report my problems hehe
[10:09] <St0n3-C0l> and then
[10:10] <Keizer> So that the dev team can fix them.
[10:10] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, I got that error from the terminal
[10:10] <St0n3-C0l> Albacker: Your problem is that you're not getting sound ? right ?
[10:10] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, yeah
[10:10] <St0n3-C0l> Run as root
[10:11] <St0n3-C0l> go in terminal
[10:11] <St0n3-C0l> sudo alsamixer
[10:11] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, same
[10:11] <InitMass> anyone using Nicotine here?
[10:12] <gro> Albacker: output of "ls -l /dev/mixer"?
[10:12] <Albacker> gro : lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           11 Nov 17 19:07 /dev/mixer -> /dev/mixer0
[10:12] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, the same error
[10:13] <St0n3-C0l> do u have alsamixer installed ?
[10:13] <gro> St0n3-C0l: he has trust me ;)
[10:13] <mellinux> can someone direct me to a site with a terminal FAQ
[10:13] <Albacker> St0n3-C0l, YES, SURE, it runs.
[10:13] <InitMass> any date set for the stable release of hoary?
[10:13] <St0n3-C0l> Its installed bydefault in Hoary
[10:14] <Albacker> UBUNTU recognizes the command
[10:14] <St0n3-C0l> yeah :P
[10:14] <St0n3-C0l> then why its not running in terminal
[10:14] <Albacker> eni@galaxy:~$ whereis alsamixer
[10:14] <gro> Albacker: and the output of ls -l /dev/mixer*
[10:14] <Albacker> alsamixer: /usr/bin/alsamixer
[10:14] <St0n3-C0l> it will open up one dialog in which it will ask u to modify your volume level
[10:14] <St0n3-C0l> try that
[10:15] <Albacker> gro I send them to prv, because I didnt want to Flood here.
[10:15] <St0n3-C0l> Its running here
[10:15] <gro> Albacker: yeah i noticed, thx ;)
[10:16] <Bizzeh> so, is ubuntu faster than debian, or slower, or same?
[10:16] <Albacker> any idea gro ?
[10:17] <gro> Albacker: you are running warty?
[10:18] <tritium> Thank goodness for startx!  gdm is so broken
[10:18] <Albacker> gro, no
[10:18] <Albacker> gro, I'm runnin beatrix, which is UBUNTU.
[10:19] <crimsun> Bizzeh: can't really compare
[10:20] <runedude> hi folks, is there a way to upgrade from Warty to Hoary?
[10:20] <Bizzeh> meh, ill just go source based and go gentoo and know its faster
[10:20] <runedude> W/o ofcourse burning a new cd.
[10:20] <gro> Albacker: ok, that explains why you have multiple /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp entries ;)
[10:20] <Albacker> gro, so what to do ?
[10:21] <gro> Albacker: what brand of soundcard you haven?
[10:21] <Albacker> ?
[10:21] <tritium> not exactly jdubtv, but tritium can be seen here: http://www.mgmt.purdue.edu/info/cameracenter/public.asp?camera=drawingroom
[10:21] <crimsun> Bizzeh: source-based doesn't imply faster :-)
[10:22] <Bizzeh> compiling with all processor ext's and only having in what i NEED....
[10:22] <gro> Albacker: lspci | grep audio
[10:22] <Bizzeh> id say that would be faster
[10:22] <runedude> Anyone know how to upgrade from Warty (4.10) to Hoary (5.04) with the sources.list ?
[10:22] <Albacker> gro :pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices
[10:22] <Albacker> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (rev 02)
[10:23] <flax> i want to install openldap with the following command: sudo apt-get -y install slapd ldap-utils. When i do this, a debconf window is show,.. is there a way to provide the properties on commandline so the debconf window will not be shown?
[10:23] <ahmad> hi
[10:23] <ahmad> some famous problem
[10:23] <ahmad> and need help
[10:23] <Kamion> runedude: "warty" -> "hoary" throughout, 'apt-get dist-upgrade', hope :-)
[10:24] <runedude> Kamion, thanks :)
[10:24] <Kamion> runedude: (or "Smart Upgrade" in synaptic instead of that second step)
[10:24] <crimsun> Bizzeh: serious misconception.  It gains you a false feeling of optimisation, though.
[10:24] <runedude> Kamion, gives me alot of msgs of failure :)
[10:24] <ahmad> fixing a broken package
[10:24] <crimsun> Bizzeh: why not try one of the Hoary live cds?
[10:24] <ahmad> to get control
[10:24] <Bizzeh> im 45 mins into installing Hoary on vmware now
[10:24] <runedude> like this:
[10:24] <Kamion> runedude: oh, sorry, 'apt-get update' (or Reload in synaptic) right after changing sources.list
[10:24] <runedude> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:25] <Bizzeh> its started downloading stuff too
[10:25] <Bizzeh> without even asking me
[10:25] <Albacker> gro ? still here ?
[10:25] <runedude> Okay. :)
[10:25] <Bizzeh> how nice is that
[10:25] <gro> Albacker: ok, try lsmod | grep audio
[10:25] <Kamion> Bizzeh: only so much localisation support you can fit on one CD
[10:25] <runedude> Thanks. It works.
[10:25] <Kamion> runedude: make sure the upgrade doesn't want to remove ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop; those are usually signs of problems
[10:26] <Bizzeh> still, "would you like to install x packages of x mb (y/n):"
[10:26] <Rebroad> Hi all
[10:26] <Bizzeh> download even
[10:26] <Keizer> Anyone here ever used tune2fs?
[10:26] <Bizzeh> yeah
[10:26] <Bizzeh> makes no diff
[10:26] <Keizer> What's the command to convert my ext2 to ext3?
[10:27] <Keizer> I want journaling.
[10:27] <Bizzeh> mke2fs -j
[10:27] <Bizzeh> :)
[10:27] <crimsun> Keizer: tune2fs -j
[10:27] <Keizer> Wow
[10:27] <Rebroad> no sign of the psmouse.c Touchpad problem being fixed yet...?
[10:27] <runedude> Kamion, will I need to reboot?
[10:27] <runedude> :)
[10:27] <flax> Keizer, http://puggy.symonds.net/~rajesh/howto/ext3/toc.html
[10:27] <Keizer> So like tune2fs -j /dev/md0 ?
[10:27] <Kamion> runedude: it installs a new kernel, so yes
[10:28] <runedude> Kamion, Aww :P
[10:28] <Kamion> runedude: system should keep working until you do, though
[10:28] <runedude> ok :)
[10:28] <Kamion> not that I've actually tested that; since I'm the installer guy, I do fresh installs :P
[10:29] <Bizzeh> yay for installer taking fuck all notice of what i told it
[10:29] <Rebroad> can anyone hear me?
[10:29] <Kamion> Bizzeh: ?
[10:29] <flax> Rebroad, wassup?
[10:29] <Bizzeh> told it a user and pass
[10:30] <Rebroad> thanks flax: i was wondering!
[10:30] <Bizzeh> try to log in now its dont
[10:30] <Bizzeh> done
[10:30] <Kamion> Bizzeh: check that your keyboard layout is what you think it is
[10:30] <Bizzeh> and it comes at me with "incorect username or password"
[10:30] <flax> Rebroad,  :D patience ;)
[10:30] <Rebroad> I have a suggestion for a little feature addition to synaptic - best place to mention it on here or somewhere else?
[10:30] <Bizzeh> what? uk layout
[10:30] <Bizzeh> like it was in install
[10:31] <Rebroad> regarding synaptic: it would be really cool if it offered to uninstall packages once they reach zero dependants.
[10:31] <Rebroad> I had loads of libraries I uninstalled today that weren't being used.
[10:31] <crimsun> Rebroad: dpkg -l deborphan|grep ^ii
[10:31] <Rebroad> ah.. cool. thanks crimsun!
[10:32] <Bizzeh> ahh
[10:32] <Bizzeh> 1st letter = cap
[10:32] <CaVaStra> using Hoary, I cannot install nvidia-glx, gives an error clashing with x-org-flrx driver, any onbe got a solution ?
[10:32] <Bizzeh> anyway, how would i go about getting kdevelop on here?
[10:32] <Kamion> Bizzeh: don't do that then :-)
[10:32] <exalted> hi! my wireless network device seems to be an ethernet device, and because of this i think i cannot connect to my wireless router. does anyone knows what i have to change?
[10:34] <flax> anyone here who knows how to stop debconf from asking questions by specifying additional parameters on the command line for a apt-get install
[10:34] <Rebroad> deborphan is certainly a useful tool, although for newbies, it would be cool to have the functionality included in synaptic
[10:34] <flax> i want to exectute a sudo apt-get -y install slapd ldap-utils, without the dialog for password being shown (i want to add this on the command line)
[10:35] <stephen_> I LOVE UBUNTU@
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> oh god. . .
[10:35] <flax> where? ;)
[10:35] <sic|> yes
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> that worries me.
[10:35] <jaco> why my xchat logs r not saved in iso-8859 ?
[10:35] <crimsun> Rebroad: it actually does afaik
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> then again
[10:35] <Kamion> flax: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y install slapd ldap-utils
[10:35] <kickrocks> ubuntu on ia64 is nice thanks
[10:35] <sic|> jaco: they are hidden in your home directory
[10:36] <crimsun> Rebroad: err, sorry, I misread Synaptic for aptitude
[10:36] <Rebroad> crimsun: synaptic hasn't done for me so far
[10:36] <jaco> sic i know this but
[10:36] <Kamion> flax: although that'll just use some default rather than letting you set it on the command line
[10:36] <Rebroad> crimsun: ah.. yes. aptitude probably does
[10:36] <jaco> my terminal works right with euro symbol
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> hopefully Ubuntu will get PaX, Gnome's stuff will happen, nvidia will cause a problem, and instead of abandoning PaX, Ubuntu will smack nVidia in the face with issues that tehy've needed ot resolve for years now
[10:36] <jaco> my xchat also
[10:36] <Rebroad> crimsun: is it safe to use aptitude instead of synaptic?
[10:36] <warty> hello people
[10:36] <jaco> only my log no
[10:36] <crimsun> Rebroad: absolutely
[10:36] <crimsun> Rebroad: any apt frontend
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> (what we need is a fcking open source accelerated nv driver)
[10:36] <jaco> why?
[10:36] <Rebroad> any here got ntfs read/write working safely on ubuntu?
[10:36] <flax> Kamion,  and i can't set it the value by defining a global variable / adding a DEBIAN_FRONTEND parameter?
[10:37] <warty> i'm of argentima
[10:37] <sic|> jaco: that is the way it is installed with this distro...it just is
[10:37] <CaVaStra> sooo. no nvidia-glx for me ?
[10:37] <Kamion> flax: you could preset it in the debconf database, assuming that those packages are happy with that; see the debconf documentation
[10:37] <Kamion> flax: or use a stacked debconf database
[10:37] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: it could be worse - it could be not free
[10:37] <flax> Kamion, thanx i have enough pointers for tonight i guess :D
[10:37] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  potentially.
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  But I'm very security concerned and anything that majorly would impede the effort is bad.
[10:38] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: what's nvidia's reason for not releasing the source?
[10:38] <sic|> has anyone had difficulty with smb.conf...I am considering writing one from scratch based on others examples
[10:38] <kickrocks> ati will be able to make better drivers
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  Ubuntu will be less inclined to move to a PaX base if Gnome suddenly relied on GLX, and the nVidia drivers still used runtime code generation
[10:38] <struggler> Anyone familiar with GNOME on Warty?
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  I dunno, Nvidia is  weird with nda crap
[10:39] <HappyPills> download manager closest in functionality to getright/flashget?
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> it's a business
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> deciding to release your code under GPL is a major legal decision that needs to spend 10000 years in committee
[10:39] <HappyPills> or does anyone have a fav. dl manager for linux?
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  Core component on which grsecurity is built around
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaX
[10:40] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: thanks
[10:40] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  also http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/sec_presentation.sxi
[10:40] <sic|> HappyPills: You need a dl manager?
[10:40] <crimsun> I'm surprised you didn't link him to pax's homepage on grsecurity.net
[10:41] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  my wikipedia article is a lot more explanitory, unless he can read http://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> d4x :P
[10:41] <Rebroad> hmmm. ubuntu's upgraded mozilla-browser more than once in the last 24hrs i think...
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> Download For X
[10:41] <HappyPills> just something to easily get flash files and large files, despite how they act I don't trust firefox downloading large files
[10:41] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: sure.
[10:41] <Rebroad> ah. or maybe it was firefox earlier..
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> Downloader For X*
[10:41] <SiB77> May i ask something?
[10:41] <Burk> hello guys
[10:41] <Uboo> What's the best tool to handle 7zip files on ubuntu? I found http://sourceforge.net/projects/p7zip/ but I didn't find it in any repository, so I figured maybe it's not good and that's why it's not there.
[10:42] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  tech documentation is good for techs, bad for normal users :)
[10:42] <struggler> I'm having problems with GNOME startup on Warty.  I'm having trouble with GNOME on a remote terminal but XFCE is okay. Would someone like to help?
[10:42] <SiB77> How can i change my ubuntu resolution to 1280x1024? I only have 1024x768, 800x600...
[10:42] <mcrawfor> heya, what's the ubuntu way for choosing what services start at which runlevels?
[10:42] <sic|> bluefoxicy: I have to agree...tends to be really vague
[10:42] <Burk> I'm running hoary arry cd7 live. when I mount with "sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/win" I don't get any icon on the desktop nor in Places...is it a missing feature on the live cd?
[10:42] <mcrawfor> a console program please...
[10:43] <St0n3-C0l> HappyPills: Downloader For X (d4x named in apt-get) OR Kget
[10:43] <HappyPills> I'm trying it out already.
[10:43] <HappyPills> it doesn't seem that crash hot so far...
[10:43] <bluefoxicy> sic|:  Technical documentation is usually explained in technical concepts, except it assumes you understand the underlying concepts, and leaves you like ". . . what the hell does that mean?"
[10:44] <sic|> HappyPills: Whats wrong with Firefox?  I have pulled files as big as a gig with it with no errors in both linux and windows
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> for anything
[10:44] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: how come the principal PaX author wants to remain anonymous...?
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  *shrug* I dunno.  solar (a hardened gentoo dev) is also anonymous
[10:44] <sic|> bluefoxicy, I think a lot of it is written internally and assumes too much...I am an AIX sys admin and a lot of info is just out there
[10:44] <tritium> what broke gdm themes to badly today?
[10:45] <SiB77> Can ubuntu linux be run in 1280x1024?
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> SiB77:  yes
[10:45] <sic|> yes
[10:45] <sianis> hi all
[10:45] <sianis> i have a little program
[10:45] <sic|> but you have to fix the dpi
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> man
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> I want a BTX motherboard
[10:45] <sianis> i use ubuntu on laptop
[10:45] <sianis> but when the ubuntu booted up
[10:45] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: if I'm running a web server on ubuntu (apache2) - should I harden it more than it's default configuration?
[10:46] <sianis> i cannot use the brigitness up donw function key
[10:46] <sic|> SiB77, I use ubuntu at work @ 1280X1024 but the BPI was messed so I had to set it manually
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> My middle mouse-button on my mouse is not working.. What steps should I take to troubleshoot this?
[10:46] <HappyPills> sic|, it's kind of difficult to dl .swf files, especially since mozilla-firefox automatically plays them and I don't want to disable that functionality
[10:46] <sianis> can some1 help me?
[10:46] <taki> punkrock, you on hoary or warty?
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> taki, hoary
[10:46] <CaVaStra> WHo can help: Unpacking nvidia-glx (from .../nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb) ...
[10:46] <CaVaStra> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[10:46] <CaVaStra> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:46] <SiB77> Well, i would like to set it manually..
[10:46] <sic|> HappyPills, very true, I didn't consider that
[10:46] <Burk> guys, does an icon appear on desktop when you mount a device (like sata hd)?
[10:46] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  In general, I'd say that the hardening stuff I'm more into should be everywhere simply because it's suitable for everywhere; but for servers and higher security environments i think you should look into a MAC like SeLinux, RSBAC, or the GrSecurity RBAC
[10:46] <alitoch> Hi
[10:46] <alitoch> i'm back
[10:46] <Rebroad> punkrockguy318: your name is so long, it's screwing up my xchat display :-s
[10:47] <punkrockguy318> taki, I just switched mice... my old mouse's middle button work
[10:47] <punkrockguy318> Rebroad, heh yeah everyone tells me that... sorry, i've been using it for all my usernames for two years
[10:47] <taki> punkrockguy, gimme a sec to find the page with the info. you have to go into xorg.conf and add a line. at least it heled me. Ah, if it's that, you need to reconfigure xorg for the new mouse
[10:47] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  Of course, as more programs cease to work with PaX because of nVidia's glx crap, it suddenly becomes less suitable for everywher. . . :(
[10:47] <bluefoxicy> but
[10:47] <bluefoxicy> you don't need 3D acceleration for a web server
[10:47] <punkrockguy318> taki, How would i reconfigure it for the new mouse?
[10:47] <Rebroad> can I use selinux with ubuntu, bluefoxicy?
[10:47] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  I dunno
[10:48] <bluefoxicy> I heard there was effort
[10:48] <tritium> nvidia broke with today's kernel update
[10:48] <Spooks> Hey guys n gals
[10:48] <bluefoxicy> check #hardened-debian
[10:48] <sianis> use someone ubuntu on laptop???
[10:48] <Rebroad> tritium: how does it break? should I avoid the new kernel if I use nvidia-glx?
[10:48] <bluefoxicy> I think there's effort in ubuntu and debian by the ubuntu and debian teams; I think the hardened debian team is also going at selinux, but they're after bringing SSP, PaX, GrSecurity, etc as well.
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> bluefoxicy, speaking of ubuntu security.. i was somewhat disappointed  to find that ubuntu is copmletely vulnerable to a fork bomb...
[10:48] <BARBoy> hey people, i need help with setting up a modem in ubuntu
[10:49] <Rebroad> fork bomb..? which linux's aren't?
[10:49] <alitoch> punkrock> it doesn't depend of the distro, but of how you use it
[10:49] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  everyone is completely vulnerable to a fork bomb.  Edit /etc/security/limits.conf to have a line "*               hard    nproc           2048"
[10:49] <Bizzeh> how would i install kdevelop on a default ubuntu install?
[10:49] <Riddell> Bizzeh: apt-get install kdevelop3
[10:49] <tritium> Rebroad, perhaps another ABI change.  I'm not sure.
[10:49] <CaVaStra> Nobody ? Unpacking nvidia-glx (from .../nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb) ... dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'  dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:49] <Riddell> Bizzeh: it's in universe
[10:49] <punkrockguy318> bluefoxicy, debian isn't by default...
[10:49] <taki> punkrockguy: crap, I forget. I think it's dpkg-configure xorg.conf
[10:50] <Bizzeh> Riddell: i been using ubuntu for about 30 seconds
[10:50] <alitoch> Bizzeh> there are two ways to do it : Install Kubuntu, or apt-get kde base packages
[10:50] <taki> someone here should knwo
[10:50] <tritium> Rebroad, and gdm stopped working today too.  I dropped down to kernel 2.6.10-4 because of the breakage in -5, and gdm can't find Human or default themes, and won't let me login.
[10:50] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  what stops debian from being fragged by a fork bomb
[10:50] <punkrockguy318> bluefoxicy, different kernel options according to /.
[10:50] <Burk> mmmm.... let's try it this way: how do I do to have an icon that mount/unmount my sata hd with winxp on it? :)
[10:50] <tritium> So between kernel and gdm problems, it's been an "interesting" day.
[10:51] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  there's no fork bomb defuser in the kernel by default
[10:52] <alitoch> Bizzeh> Do you wanna use Ubuntu under KDE and not Gnome, or just need KDevelop ?
[10:52] <Riddell> Bizzeh: try asking in #kubuntu maybe, you need to set up universe and install kdevelop3 probably with synaptic
[10:52] <punkrockguy318> bluefoxicy, why doesn't ubuntu set these limits by default?
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  I dunno
[10:52] <sianis> how can i setup the bootalbe application, pl: cups, laptop-mode?
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  I haven't really tested them though. . .
[10:52] <sianis> pls help me!!!
[10:52] <Bizzeh> just kdevelop
[10:52] <SeeleyUSMC> Are there any PHP5 packages for Ubuntu?
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> Bizzeh:  you could try anjuta as well, a GTK+ IDE, though it doesn't have graphical window generation (i.e. like glade)
[10:53] <alitoch> sianis > what id your problem ?
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> Bizzeh:  it would integrate with gnome better
[10:53] <sianis> i don't know
[10:53] <alitoch> SeeleyUSMC > Try an apt-get install php5, should work
[10:53] <sianis> here i setup the boot aplication
[10:53] <sianis> ex: cups, lapto-mode
[10:53] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[10:53] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, apt-cache search php5 to search for it
[10:53] <black_Nightmare> any of you used hoary preview? (i386)
[10:53] <alitoch> why don't you try the default installation ?
[10:53] <punkrockguy318> black_Nightmare, yes...
[10:53] <n1ck> im using hoary atm
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> Terminated
[10:54] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> yes
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  hey it works.
[10:54] <black_Nightmare> hmm...well here's a strange question:
[10:54] <tritium> black_Nightmare, lots of us are using even more recent than the preview
[10:54] <sianis> black_Nightmare, yes
[10:54] <punkrockguy318> bluefoxicy, somoene should file a bug report
[10:54] <black_Nightmare> as soon as I get the installion starting..it is like at something about video frame buffer...
[10:54] <sianis> alitoch, can you help me?
[10:54] <mcrawfor> Oy! How do I change the services per runlevel in Ubuntu?
[10:54] <bluefoxicy> punkrockguy318:  Actually i filed a report to make a security center, which was spawned by me looking at bastille's shitty ass UI, which was wehre I found that hack.
[10:54] <black_Nightmare> the screen shows minor frizzle for a second..goes black then..suddenly shows tons of blue frizzles like its supposed to be a screen or something
[10:55] <alitoch> sianis> if you tell me what is precisely your problem, yes
[10:55] <black_Nightmare> is it just that hoary preview doesn't really like my particular tv/out tv screen?
[10:55] <black_Nightmare> right now I have the cpu running fine from a helix livecd so I know it has to be something with ubuntu itself
[10:55] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, I don't think you'll find php5.  try searching for php4
[10:56] <punkrockguy318> bluefoxicy, hmm
[10:57] <black_Nightmare> oh great..nevermind I take back what I said... helix seem to show the similar blue frizzles when it looks like its just gotten to the desktop
[10:57] <black_Nightmare> *sigh*
[10:57] <SeeleyUSMC> I can just do a manual install
[10:57] <black_Nightmare> I really need to figure a vga source for my system
[10:58] <Burk> a gentle italian friend has told me that mounted devices' icons not appearing on desktop/Places in Hoary is actually a still unresolved bug
[10:58] <fragfutter> hi
[10:58] <punkrockguy318> what languages are supported in ubuntu?
[10:58] <black_Nightmare> just some humor hehe
[10:59] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: I have two small monitors, but neither work.  Want?
[10:59] <black_Nightmare> lol no thanks :p
[11:00] <black_Nightmare> crimsun I'm like looking for at least 1024x800 support smoothly (or 1200x1024 either way)
[11:00] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone ever use FetchYahoo! ?
[11:00] <punkrockguy318> not i
[11:01] <black_Nightmare> anyhow just one quick question...
[11:01] <larsrohdin> why can't i download totem-xine?  "Package totem-xine has no available version, but exists in the database." is there something wrong with my sources?
[11:01] <black_Nightmare> so I plug the ethernet cable in before running ubuntu setup and it pretty much should be able to grab libs etc on its own?
[11:02] <Svictor> Hi there ! Did anyone have any trouble with keyboard shortcuts after upgrading to hoary ? Since I upgraded, CTRL+numeral is overriden in all the text programs : I type CTRL+three numerals, and get the ASCII equivalent. I don't need this feature and had lots of custom shortcuts assigned to CTRL+numkey. Can't figure how to revert to previous behaviour.
[11:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: universe available?
[11:02] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: if the network is functional, yes
[11:03] <Rebroad> i was having problems installing totem earlier also
[11:03] <black_Nightmare> hm...ok ty I'll remember that when I find a suitable mointor to get/borrow for my system :p
[11:03] <larsrohdin> crimsun, im trying
[11:04] <larsrohdin> crimsun, no universe was commented...
[11:04] <SeeleyUSMC> Umm...after I use synaptic to install Thunderbird, what do I do to use it?
[11:04] <crimsun> larsrohdin: totem-xine is in universe...
[11:04] <punkrockguy318> SeeleyUSMC, mozilla-thunderbird
[11:05] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok thanks alot dude! happy easter=)
[11:06] <crimsun> larsrohdin: you, too
[11:07] <larsrohdin> crimsun, what plugin do i need to play dvd.iso?
[11:07] <Spooks> .iso is an image, burn it to a CD-ROM
[11:08] <punkrockguy318> larsrohdin, or mount it
[11:08] <larsrohdin> Spooks, thats not what i asked... i can play it in e.g. ogle, but when i try opening it in totem-xine it says i need a certein plugin to do that... what plugin?
[11:11] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone have suggestions about installing YPops with thunderbird?  I can't put localhost as a smtp server like their install instructions say to
[11:13] <mrproper> Where can I get a stock kernel .config file for Horay? Like...the one that official kernel builds use.
[11:14] <eruin> there is no stock kernel .config :o
[11:14] <mrproper> eruin, But they must use a certain .config file when building debs?
[11:14] <eruin> yeah
[11:14] <mrproper> Where could I find that file.
[11:14] <eruin> but if you download a vanilla kernel you have to create a config file from scratch :P
[11:14] <eruin> apt-get source linux-image-your-flavour
[11:15] <sianis> can some1 help me on laptop setup?????
[11:15] <eruin> look in the debian/config folder
[11:15] <sianis> can some1 help me on laptop setup?????
[11:15] <eruin> once you've got that file downloaded ;)
[11:15] <mrproper> eruin, Where is the debian folder?
[11:15] <crimsun> mrproper: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[11:16] <mcrawfor> how the hell do I turn on iptables in ubuntu?
[11:16] <mcrawfor> there's no /etc/init.d/iptables file
[11:16] <sianis> can some1 help me on laptop setup?????
[11:17] <mcrawfor> not if you use that many question marks.
[11:17] <Agrajag> mcrawfor: install it first
[11:17] <mcrawfor> Agrajag: it is installed
[11:17] <Agrajag> oh, then I dunno
[11:17] <mcrawfor> brilliant
[11:19] <crimsun> mcrawfor: the iptables packages no longer provide an initscript, because it used to cause so many problems
[11:19] <mcrawfor> crimsun: what is the recommended way of configuring it on boot?
[11:19] <eruin> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html
[11:19] <eruin> kind of cool
[11:20] <crimsun> mcrawfor: please see zmore /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz
[11:20] <stephen_> hi i am looking for a plugin that will allow me to watch movies online
[11:20] <stephen_> I am using FIrefox 1.0.2
[11:20] <mcrawfor> crimsun: that file doesn't exist on my system
[11:21] <stephen_> i tried searching on forums and google
[11:21] <crimsun> mcrawfor: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz doesn't exist on your system?
[11:21] <mcrawfor> crimsun: no.  i have a /usr/share/doc/iptables-1.2.11/ dir, but it doesn't contain a readme
[11:22] <mcrawfor> only some info about modifying a 2.4 kernel
[11:22] <crimsun> mcrawfor: hoary, correct?
[11:22] <mcrawfor> sorry, i'm an idiot
[11:22] <mcrawfor> i do have that file, and will read it now. thaks
[11:22] <stephen_> How do i watch movies onlineusing firefox
[11:22] <crimsun> np.
[11:22] <omni_lonnie> does anybody here use netzero with ubuntu?
[11:23] <Agrajag> stephen_: you're not being very clear
[11:23] <alitoch> stephen_> you need win32codecs...
[11:23] <SeanQ> I'm so retarded.
[11:23] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone here use YahooPops?
[11:23] <stephen_> No i mean
[11:23] <stephen_> I FOLLWOED  guide with Mplayer
[11:23] <SeanQ> I tar'd a file for gentoo in ubuntu, hoping to cp it over to /mnt/gentoo/etc [/etc in gentoo] 
[11:23] <stephen_> i got eveyrthing working
[11:23] <stephen_> i wanna watch a trailer online using firefox
[11:23] <SeanQ> well, this file happened to overwrite my whole ubuntu system. :P
[11:23] <tom_neo> omni_lonnie: nope but where should be the problem?
[11:23] <stephen_> but nothing shows
[11:24] <sianis> can some1 help me on laptop setup?????
[11:24] <alitoch> lol SeanQ :)
[11:24] <sianis> can some1 help me on laptop setup?????
[11:24] <SeanQ> I'm just going to run straight gentoo [GUI installing now]  until Hoary full
[11:24] <alitoch> stephen_> maybe you need some specific plugin
[11:24] <stephen_> y
[11:24] <stephen_> i know that
[11:24] <omni_lonnie> if it works I'm gonna recomend it to a friend of mine...
[11:24] <alitoch> like flash player if it is a flash anim
[11:24] <stephen_> BUT I DONT Know what
[11:24] <stephen_> no
[11:25] <stephen_> i needa media plugin
[11:25] <stephen_> to play .mov online
[11:25] <stephen_> how
[11:25] <Rebroad> sainis: how?
[11:25] <garrut> mplayerplug-in
[11:25] <alitoch> with win32codecs you should be able to read it
[11:25] <stephen_> ok
[11:25] <Agrajag> did you install mozilla-mplayer?
[11:25] <stephen_> i got win32
[11:25] <stephen_> dont use mozilla
[11:25] <alitoch> or search firefox plug in to read .mov  files
[11:25] <stephen_> firefox
[11:25] <tom_neo> omni_lonnie: ah. well what exactly should not work?
[11:25] <Agrajag> stephen_: yes you do
[11:25] <garrut> mplayerplug-in
[11:25] <Agrajag> firefox is mozilla
[11:25] <alitoch> don't you know using GOOGLE ?
[11:25] <pinPoint> my flash doesnt play sound
[11:25] <stephen_> mplayerplug-in never worked
[11:25] <stephen_> I USE IT
[11:25] <stephen_> i tried mplayerplug-in
[11:26] <Agrajag> it's not mplayerplug-in, the package name is mozilla-mplayer
[11:26] <stephen_> what else
[11:26] <stephen_> k
[11:26] <stephen_> k i installed
[11:26] <stephen_> should work now?
[11:26] <stephen_> i used synaptic
[11:26] <garrut> Agrajag: ii  mplayerplug-in 2.80-0.1       MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and Op
[11:26] <stephen_> mozilla-mplayer?
[11:27] <Agrajag> garrut: do you have any third-party apt sources?
[11:27] <garrut> ofcourse i have
[11:27] <Agrajag> garrut: then that's where it's coming from
[11:27] <stephen_> thank u guys
[11:27] <stephen_> working
[11:27] <Agrajag> mozilla-mplayer is what's in universe, or multiverse or whatever
[11:28] <garrut> yeah so, i'm just saying that's the name
[11:28] <pinPoint> anyone know how to get audio from flash inside browsers?
[11:28] <Agrajag> garrut: only if you use third-party sources.
[11:28] <pinPoint> i cant hear volume
[11:28] <garrut> arg, ok whatever
[11:28] <Agrajag> if you're only using ubuntu's sources, which is pretty much all you need in hoary, it's mozilla-mplayer
[11:29] <alitoch> i have the same problem, pinPoint
[11:29] <httpdss> why isnt w32codecs on my list ??
[11:29] <apokryphos> httpdss: you haven't added the extra repos
[11:29] <Agrajag> httpdss: because you don't have universe/multiverse enabled
[11:29] <httpdss> it is enabled :-S
[11:29] <apokryphos> httpdss: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:30] <Agrajag> httpdss: you added them to sources.list and then did apt-get update?
[11:30] <httpdss> yup
[11:30] <Agrajag> odd
[11:30] <Agrajag> oh, wait
[11:31] <Agrajag> you might need debian-marillat for that still
[11:31] <apokryphos> :)
[11:31] <Agrajag> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:31] <Agrajag> add that repo, and grab w32codecs
[11:31] <mrproper> Does Horay come with reiserfs xattr's enabled?
[11:31] <alitoch> Agrajag> I can't connect to these repositories
[11:31] <alitoch> seems that they're like... locked, or unavailable
[11:31] <Agrajag> alitoch: really? I haven't tried in months
[11:31] <alitoch> all the others work
[11:32] <apokryphos> alitoch: what's the error message?
[11:32] <apokryphos> Works fine here.
[11:32] <alitoch> Agrajag> I tried some weeks ago
[11:32] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[11:32] <[Phaedrus] > i have a quick question
[11:32] <alitoch> apokryphos> I don't really remember, It says it can't resolve, or join this address
[11:32] <[Phaedrus] > is there any extension in firefox to make javascript work?
[11:33] <alitoch> yes
[11:33] <alitoch> And it is installed by default in my hoary, I remember
[11:33] <apokryphos> alitoch: Well, perhaps it was entered wrong... just updated and got no problems.
[11:33] <[Phaedrus] > any idea what it is called?
[11:33] <alitoch> ok i'm gonna try
[11:34] <alitoch> what do I have to add ?
[11:34] <tomsstars> salut y a des french ici???
[11:34] <alitoch> if you could give me your sources.list concerned part, it would be very nice
[11:34] <alitoch> oui tomsstarts
[11:34] <alitoch> ah, he has gone.
[11:34] <stephen_> hey
[11:35] <stephen_> how do i automatically make firefox download wmv/avi/mov
[11:35] <black_Nightmare> does ubuntu have any data cdr tools included or I could apt-get something?
[11:35] <apokryphos> alitoch: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
[11:35] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> you have a default data cdr tool, type burn:/// in the Nautilus URL field
[11:35] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...ohh...hm ok
[11:36] <black_Nightmare> alitoch... does that like open a dialog for what files to put on cdr or its different?
[11:36] <alitoch> if you wanna use something for audio/video CDs, you can use K3b, the KDE Burner, I like it
[11:36] <alitoch> personnally.
[11:36] <alitoch> thank you apokryphos
[11:36] <alitoch> :)
[11:36] <apokryphos> np
[11:36] <stephen_> how do i automatically make firefox download wmv/avi/mov?
[11:36] <stephen_> how do i automatically make firefox download wmv/avi/mov?
[11:36] <black_Nightmare> well I'm just looking for a basic data cdr -- to backup longterm stuffs to
[11:36] <black_Nightmare> nothing fancy ;)
[11:37] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> it is just a normal blank window where you copy your files, then you click on the "burn" button on the left, and it's done
[11:37] <black_Nightmare> hm ty thats what I just need :D
[11:37] <stephen_> how do i automatically make firefox download wmv/avi/mov?
[11:37] <peter__> Hi everyone this is my first day using linux
[11:37] <stephen_> same
[11:37] <alitoch> so Ubuntu Nautilus Burner is what you need
[11:37] <mdke> stephen_, bless you
[11:37] <alitoch> Hi peter__
[11:37] <apokryphos> stephen_: Please stop asking the same question.
[11:37] <mdke> he has hiccups
[11:37] <stephen_> NO one answering :(
[11:37] <mdke> give him a break
[11:37] <peter__> Hi alitoch
[11:37] <black_Nightmare> alitoch..you know when I got my first (and its still my own only lol) cdrw it came with nero ughhhhh :-|  .. I soon quickly trashed that for small freeware alternatives lol :p
[11:37] <stephen_> it's my damn first time
[11:37] <alitoch> I can add something :
[11:37] <black_Nightmare> nero = overbloated (to me)
[11:37] <black_Nightmare> :p
[11:37] <alitoch> stephen> please stop thinking we are some Google Bots
[11:38] <stephen_> SO USED to using windows
[11:38] <stephen_> has evrything
[11:38] <apokryphos> stephen_: Then here is your first lesson: don't flood the channel.
[11:38] <stephen_> lol ok
[11:38] <stephen_> Ok!
[11:38] <stephen_> So does anyone know how to?
[11:38] <Insom> hi all
[11:38] <alitoch> you did well, black_Nightmare  :)
[11:38] <mdke> nope
[11:38] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...har yeah :)
[11:38] <alitoch> Nero never worked the stupid time I wasted with windows
[11:38] <stephen_> no?
[11:38] <stephen_> there's no plugin?
[11:38] <Insom> where and how do i get codecs needed to play mp3 and divx on ubuntu?
[11:38] <alitoch> no stephen
[11:38] <alitoch> we don't know
[11:38] <mdke> stephen_, there is a plugin, but it does the opposite
[11:38] <stephen_> i just want firefox to automattically download wmv or anyfiles when i just click it
[11:39] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...and as for the supposed windows defragment ... I never used it but rather had diskkeeper lite which could run even with other programs opened ;)
[11:39] <apokryphos> Insom: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:39] <stephen_> no plugin that does that.. GRR
[11:39] <mdke> stephen_, go to the preferences, download tab
[11:39] <stephen_> i did
[11:39] <peter__> Im trying to understand how to use this system so i can completely switch to linux can anyone give me so info on where to learn about this or just some good tips
[11:39] <stephen_> it doesn't have WMV
[11:39] <mdke> stephen_, you could add it
[11:39] <chickenman> hey every one i am back at last :P
[11:39] <stephen_> how
[11:39] <mdke> stephen_, what is it doing with wmv if not downloading?
[11:39] <stephen_> that is what i need to know :D
[11:39] <stephen_> what?
[11:39] <stephen_> no i download like 400 WMV
[11:39] <alitoch> yes black_Nightmare, and you need to reboot after any installation also...
[11:39] <stephen_> and i dont want it keep asking SAVE or open
[11:39] <mdke> right
[11:40] <alitoch> there are so many things we can reproach to win
[11:40] <stephen_> i dled 100 so far
[11:40] <stephen_> but windows had where u tick automatcially..
[11:40] <stephen_> and it done
[11:40] <HappyPills> stephen_, goto preferences, downloads and specify a save point for it
[11:40] <HappyPills> in mozilla-firefox
[11:40] <black_Nightmare> alitoch ~ too true.. windows is too **** overbloated every since win95 was already around :))
[11:40] <stephen_> i have a download folder
[11:41] <stephen_> automatically perform for file type
[11:41] <stephen_> I want it so WMV get saved automatically
[11:41] <alitoch> :)
[11:41] <stephen_> i click plug-ins
[11:41] <stephen_> SPL
[11:41] <stephen_> SWF
[11:41] <black_Nightmare> stephen_ do it manually yourself then..quit using all these stupid "overhelping" useless stuffs :p
[11:41] <stephen_> What?
[11:42] <stephen_> ok fine!
[11:42] <WhiteRabbit> Win2000 was the best OS ms ever done or will do
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> hmm jeeze that reminds me of xp .. it tried to make everything a stupid "one click" which is so 100% weak
[11:42] <stephen_> my finger hurt
[11:42] <mdke> stephen_, you could try clicking "always do this", the next time it asks you
[11:42] <mdke> stephen_, or you can go to preferences -> download
[11:42] <mdke> stephen_, then click plugins, and disable which ever you want
[11:42] <stephen_> i did that
[11:42] <stephen_> BUT IT doesn't work
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> stephen_ in the time you took to spam here you could have already downloaded several wmp's manually yourself...now think about that yourself duh
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> :p
[11:42] <stephen_> i am doing it
[11:42] <stephen_> and talking
[11:42] <stephen_> DUH!
[11:42] <stephen_> lol
[11:42] <alitoch> apokryphos> I retry to join marillat
[11:42] <mdke> stephen_, or you can go to preferences -> download
[11:42] <WhiteRabbit> longhorn will need a 3ghz cpu & 512 megs of ram min
[11:42] <mdke> stephen_, then click plugins, and disable which ever you want
[11:43] <stephen_> ok
[11:43] <stephen_> i go here
[11:43] <apokryphos> alitoch: and?
[11:43] <stephen_> i go download
[11:43] <stephen_> damn it
[11:43] <apokryphos> alitoch: Oh, trying now... ok. :)
[11:43] <black_Nightmare> whiterabbit ~ ughh thats totally rubbish.  3ghz JUST to type a document?
[11:43] <stephen_> WHY THE fook ins't it working
[11:43] <black_Nightmare> why you can even use any PI and it'll still be fast
[11:43] <Insom> tnx apokryphos
[11:43] <alitoch> now it works !
[11:43] <black_Nightmare> :)
[11:43] <mdke> stephen_, this is the last time i'll repeat
[11:43] <alitoch> great great :)
[11:43] <chillywilly> fook this shite
[11:43] <alitoch> thank you
[11:43] <stephen_> Ok!
[11:43] <apokryphos> alindeman: cool. :) No problem.
[11:43] <mdke> stephen_, preferences -> download -> plugins, disable whichever you want
[11:44] <stephen_> i can't because in the plugin section there is nothing
[11:44] <stephen_> where can i get plugins ?
[11:44] <alitoch> so apokryphos, I though the one I took was an old URL or something like that so I couldn't resolve it
[11:44] <mdke> stephen_, ah i c
[11:44] <alitoch> oh my god...
[11:44] <alitoch> Please, put him away
[11:44] <stephen_> ya there u go!
[11:44] <stephen_> now u get it
[11:44] <stephen_> sorry man i'm korean
[11:44] <stephen_> bad english
[11:44] <alitoch> Even my ears are broken
[11:44] <stephen_> ya
[11:44] <apokryphos> alitoch: I don't think it was "old", because that repo has been there for years I believe. Might just have been entered wrong, or listed wrongly somewhere.
[11:44] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone here use YahooPops?
[11:45] <stephen_> that is me because i use windows xp to much
[11:45] <alitoch> the problem is not your english dear Stephen, the problem is you break my *****s
[11:45] <mdke> stephen_, that is provided by mozplugger. But you should be able to simply click "always perform this action" when you download one, and it will remember it
[11:45] <alitoch> he also seems to need a free formation to learn using Ubuntu
[11:45] <alitoch> Just doesn't know Google, and it can easily answer all his questions.
[11:45] <stephen_> mdke it doesn't remeber
[11:45] <stephen_> mozpluggeR?
[11:45] <stephen_> download that?
[11:45] <lukemal> hi everybody. its my first day with ubuntu and its my first day with irc ;-)
[11:45] <mdke> alitoch, give it a break now c'mon
[11:46] <mdke> stephen_, no that won't help
[11:46] <Kamion> lukemal: welcome
[11:46] <chillywilly> welcome lukemal
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> alitoch so true
[11:46] <stephen_> ok
[11:46] <mdke> alitoch, this channel is here to try and help
[11:46] <chillywilly> information wants to be free people....it told me so itself
[11:46] <mdke> stephen_, i'm not sure why it doesn't remember, there must be something wrong with it
[11:47] <stephen_> reinstall firefox?
[11:47] <stephen_> o i know
[11:47] <HappyPills> Hi lukemal, welcome to irc and ubuntu
[11:47] <alitoch> mdke> i'm not against help
[11:47] <lukemal> Kamion: your nick name sounds Polish :-)
[11:47] <stephen_> it may be because there is a firefox 0.92 or something to
[11:47] <alitoch> I tried to help him and helped three persons since I came
[11:47] <stephen_> maybei should uninstall that?
[11:47] <mdke> stephen_, you have two versions installed?
[11:48] <alitoch> but stephen case is kind of special, doesn't stop repeating the same very easy questions that can be answered by a so easy google request
[11:48] <lukemal> I like one thing in Ubuntu... it's without KDE ;-)
[11:48] <alitoch> welcome lukemal
[11:48] <stephen_> ya because i couldn't install
[11:48] <stephen_> no
[11:48] <stephen_>  i couldn't update
[11:48] <mdke> alitoch, this is not a channel which redirects people to manuals or google
[11:48] <alitoch> There is KUbuntu for people who like KDE :)
[11:48] <stephen_> there is the defualt 1 that came with
[11:48] <stephen_> and i have the DOWNLOADED one
[11:48] <mdke> stephen_, you should just have the native ubuntu firefox package
[11:48] <alitoch> mdke> you don't understand what I mean maybe
[11:49] <stephen_> mdke but that's old as sh*T
[11:49] <stephen_> isn't it dangerous?
[11:49] <alitoch> i don't talk about redirecting automatically people !
[11:49] <mdke> stephen_, no
[11:49] <HappyPills> yes, this is the happy channel for people to throw questions randomly into the fray =P
[11:49] <apokryphos> mdke: I don't think you're wrong, but some prelimenary attempts at research shouldn't be a lot to ask for before entering a channel.
[11:49] <stephen_> ok
[11:49] <stephen_> where is the defualt locateD?
[11:49] <alitoch> I say he asks us questions about everything that comes to his brain, he floods!
[11:49] <mdke> apokryphos, ubuntu is a distro which encourages new users to linux, we should encourage that
[11:49] <alitoch> you have problems installing Ubu black_Nightmare ?
[11:49] <mdke> alitoch, yes so we tell him, and then he can learn not to do it again
[11:49] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...seem it doesn't even like tv/out-only output
[11:50] <black_Nightmare> so I'm going to have to figure using a mointor to go through the installion windows
[11:50] <apokryphos> mdke: Once again, full agreement. But I'm more for the case of "helping them help themselves" rather than just "do their work for them".
[11:50] <black_Nightmare> :|
[11:50] <stephen_> mdke where is defualt 1 located
[11:50] <alitoch> whatever, mdke
[11:50] <mdke> stephen_, i don't know I'm afraid
[11:50] <sippeter1> So yeah, I got some Zyklon B left over from last time that you can use for them...
[11:50] <mdke> stephen_, basically the problem is probably caused by two programs trying to use the same configuration in your /home directory
[11:50] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> unfortunately they are different drivers and methods to install for each device
[11:50] <sippeter1> Whoops, wrong window.
[11:50] <Nula> how do I make make the DMA = on to stay permanent with my dvd drive using hdparm???
[11:50] <kdp> aaaaaahhhhhhhhh i dont know nething about IRC! who is the developer for the menueditor?
[11:50] <alitoch> under Linux, I mean
[11:50] <stephen_> ok
[11:51] <mdke> Nula, edit /etc/hdparm.conf, instructions are in the file
[11:51] <stephen_> i uninstall the old 1 or the dled 1
[11:51] <black_Nightmare> alitoch..yeah true..likewise I'll have to figure hooking my system up to the mointor [which is for family's cpu too]  to try run the installion process
[11:51] <black_Nightmare> understood? ;)
[11:51] <mdke> stephen_, the downloaded one
[11:51] <Nula> mdke, thanks
[11:51] <stephen_> ok
[11:51] <mdke> np
[11:51] <alitoch> maybe could you do a google search with Ubuntu and the name of your TV-Output Device ?
[11:51] <stephen_> and where is the original?
[11:51] <stephen_> i changed the shortcuts
[11:51] <stephen_> lol
[11:51] <black_Nightmare> who the HECK is sippeter?
[11:51] <mdke> stephen_, i don't follow you i'm afraid
[11:51] <stephen_> what?
[11:51] <alitoch> I understand you have problems with your screen under Ubuntu black_Nightmare
[11:51] <stephen_> sippeter
[11:51] <mdke> black_Nightmare, yeah i got that too
[11:51] <stephen_> is bad he called me a nigger
[11:51] <alitoch> am i wrong ?
[11:52] <mdke> stephen_, yeah we all got that message
 Bye nigger
[11:52] <sippeter1> Yeah yeah yeah, everybody talks about me.
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> stephen...must be a bot
[11:52] <stephen_> wtf?
[11:52] <stephen_> ok
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> IGNORE TIME
[11:52] <stephen_> ic
[11:52] <stephen_> mdke
[11:52] <mdke> hi
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> " sippeter1!*@* added to ignore list." har
[11:52] <stephen_> do u know where the original 1 is?
[11:52] <sippeter1> Tee hee... What a commotion.
[11:52] <stephen_> because i changed like the panel shortcuts to the downloaded 1
[11:52] <mdke> someone ban sippeter1
[11:52] <mdke> stephen_, i c
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> mdke..you mean a ban+kick
[11:52] <mdke> i do
[11:52] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[11:53] <stephen_> bann the poor guy isn't nice
[11:53] <sippeter1> Like I said, what a commotion...
[11:53] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> If you have some problems with your monitor while using Ubuntu, you should try the Hoary Release, I think it has fixed the screen bugs
[11:53] <alitoch> with some kinda configs
[11:53] <mdke> stephen_, what do you need to know about the original version? If you uninstall the downloaded one, just "firefox" will start the old version of the program
[11:53] <Grock> hi, quick question about something that seems possible to me, namely compiling source code in a way that I can do final install step with dpkg -i foo.deb, purpose being keeping track of file with synaptic, I'm hoping that there's something similar to make-kpkg kernel_image.  Anyone know how to do it?
[11:54] <Rebroad> #kubuntu seems very quiet
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...actually.. I think that this mointor should work fine for ubuntu -- I'll just have to figure shutting it down and slip the kvm cables in place then put my system on the 'pc 2' end of cables and try it from there
[11:54] <apokryphos> Rebroad: It has its moments... seems to be just people passing through at the mo.
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> then maybe..either leave it there for now or try configure it to boot to tv/out by default [after installing the whole distro of course] 
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[11:55] <sippeter1> Has anyone listened to "Mindless Self Indulgence - Faggot"?
[11:55] <alitoch> However, black_Nightmare, try Hoary it's excellent :)
[11:55] <black_Nightmare> alitch..when is hoary going to be out?
[11:55] <kdp> what does it mean to register and identify w/NickServ
[11:55] <HappyPills> I never got sippeter1's messages
[11:55] <HappyPills> oh wel
[11:55] <Rebroad> for some reason my vmware is contantly needing to be vmware-config.pl'ed
[11:55] <mdke> black_Nightmare, 6 april i think
[11:55] <mdke> HappyPills, lol
[11:55] <wdh> what would be the best way to remove kubuntu from a basic ubuntu-system?? i installed the meta-package 'kubuntu-desktop', but just uninstalling that seems useless.. any ideas??
[11:55] <stephen_> Where is the defualt firefox location?
[11:55] <unkwn> I have a VIDEO_TS folder, i want to burn it to dvd and have it play on my standalone player, how do i do that in ubuntu?
[11:56] <alitoch> Hoary Preview Release is already out, black_Nightmare
[11:56] <alitoch> :)
[11:56] <mt2> Hello, I'm trying to enable DRI support for an older ATI Mach64 based card (3D Rage Pro) and it's simply just not working for me. I've installed the latest drivers from the dri project and everything I try just doesn't work. Does anyone have an ideas or interesting things to read?
[11:56] <stephen_> Where is the defualt firefox location?
[11:56] <mdke> stephen_, i said, "firefox" is the command
[11:56] <apokryphos> kdp: to have your IRC nickname registered... so it's "yours".
[11:56] <alitoch> You can download it, burn it, install it, just like I did
[11:56] <stephen_> Ok!
[11:56] <stephen_> thank U
[11:56] <Rebroad> oooh. the Mach64..  i remember those...
[11:56] <stephen_> time to kill the downloaded 1
[11:56] <alitoch> Concerning the stable release, I dunno... apokryphos, do you know when the Stable release is going to be out please ?
[11:56] <stephen_> thank u mdke
[11:56] <mdke> stephen_, ok seriously, you can either learn not to repeat the question within quick intervals, or you will get no responses and probably banned
[11:56] <apokryphos> wdh: well, it is a metapackage. It works by depending on others, not vice versa. See man debfoster.
[11:56] <apokryphos> alitoch: April 6th
[11:56] <HappyPills> Has anyone succesfully compiled the ndismonitor program?
[11:56] <black_Nightmare> alitoch..lol I thought you meant the actual release....
[11:56] <alitoch> thanks :)
[11:57] <alitoch> it's excellent
[11:57] <black_Nightmare> I do have the hoary preview cdr here already anyhow :p
[11:57] <unkwn> anyone have dvd authoring experience in ubuntu?
[11:57] <HappyPills> It's even harder to do than ndiswrapper =P
[11:57] <alitoch> I installed it, black_Nightmare, even if it is a Preview :)
[11:57] <cavediver> Anyone familiar with dm-crypt ?
[11:57] <alitoch> a Preview is done to be... previewed :p
[11:57] <stephen_> it locked
[11:57] <stephen_> how i move it
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> alitoch - I yet have to install mine LOL
[11:58] <alitoch> But I just have to wait two weeks and I'll be able to use the stable one :)
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> april 6 seem a tad too far away
[11:58] <sippeter1> http://goat.se
[11:58] <alitoch> yes, you must do so :p
[11:58] <mdke> stephen_, you have to phrase your questions more fully
[11:58] <mt2> I mean, at this point, I'm not even sure if the card is loading properly. lsmod returns something semi-good, but it doesn't match the results the tutorials in the forums mentioned
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> can hoary preview be upgraded to hoary or I'll have to reinstall it?
[11:58] <stephen_> i can't delete the firefox folder
[11:58] <alitoch> It will be very easier and faster for you to install all the packages u need for restricted things
[11:58] <mt2> black_Nightmare, it can be upgraded
[11:58] <stephen_> lock picture is on the folder
[11:58] <apokryphos> black_Nightmare: you can upgrade very easily. Two commands.
[11:58] <mdke> stephen_, you need root permissions
[11:58] <alitoch> Like reading Mp3 and Videos for example
[11:58] <Rebroad> anyone know if linspire can be upgraded to ubuntu...?!
[11:58] <stephen_> how do i do it in terminal?
[11:58] <acs> hello
[11:59] <mdke> stephen_, i'm scared that if I tell you you will delete something important
[11:59] <sippeter1> Any admins here?
[11:59] <stephen_> no i wont
[11:59] <stephen_> i just deleting the firefox folder
[11:59] <stephen_> i dont want to delete important
[11:59] <stephen_> thing
[11:59] <black_Nightmare> hm ty so I could try different stuffs and do apt-get then when the stable release is out I'll upgrade to it
[11:59] <black_Nightmare> right?
[11:59] <stephen_> i swear
[11:59] <sippeter1> I mean, any ops here?
[11:59] <mdke> stephen_, tell me which folder
[11:59] <stephen_> firefox
[11:59] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> with the Warty release, I had something very strange... I made an apt-get dist-upgrade after having changed my sources.list to Hoary repositories, but it didn't give me the same result as a HD installation from the Hoary CD....
[11:59] <Rebroad> I know a cool way to accidentally delete stuff. do a "tar cf -|tar xf -"
[11:59] <apokryphos> sippeter1: what is the problem
[11:59] <alitoch> So I think you have to install it if you wanna be "completely" under Hoary
[12:00] <acs> I am still new to this linux thing so can anyone tell me how I can upgrade firefox from it's current version which is 0.9.3 to the new version 1.0.1