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silver-hi, i upgraded from ubuntu with apt-get, and it's really crashy, is that normal?12:11
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Riddellsilver-: nope12:12
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Rebroadsilver: "from" ubuntu? to what?12:21
geneo93has anyone had any luck with kppp12:21
Rebroadah. kubuntu. sorry12:21
Rebroadi'm a bit slow this evening12:21
geneo93it connects but the handsake dont go12:23
elsewhere_are there any gtk themes with transparency and drop shadows?12:24
Rebroadyou need to enable composites in xorg.conf to get that12:25
Rebroadit's not theme based12:25
elsewhere_i see12:25
elsewhere_for basic transparency?12:26
Rebroadwhat do you mean "basic"?12:27
elsewhere_everything transparent, not just windows in the background12:28
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Rebroadit's configurable from the KDE control panel12:28
Rebroadfor all themes12:28
elsewhere_i don't use KDE12:28
elsewhere_i use fluxbox with gtk themes12:28
Telep_ermm, well you're kind of in the wrong channel ;)12:29
Telep_#kubuntu is for Ubuntu with KDE12:29
elsewhere_i see12:29
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Rebroadyou want #ubuntu i think..12:29
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randyanyone got flash player working in amd6412:36
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lytefyredoes anyone know how to set up apache in kubuntu ?.12:38
Riddelllytefyre: apt-get install apache12:39
lytefyreinstall via knypatic ?12:39
lytefyreive g apache212:40
lytefyrebut not able to set it up 12:40
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lytefyreapache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 ..anything i miss ??12:43
lytefyreapt-get cannnot find package apache12:43
Rebroaduse synaptic and search for apache12:44
lytefyreRebroad: do u mean kynaptic ?12:45
chavolytefyre, apt-get install synaptic12:45
lytefyrechavo : apt-get says no installation candidate12:46
lytefyrePackage synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:46
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silver-translucency and shadows are really slow, even with an nvidia 6600GT and renderaccel on. can anyone help me?12:49
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lytefyreanyone know where to find the executable apache2 ??01:13
lytefyrein the preview release that is 01:14
Riddelllytefyre: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/  is your friend01:15
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brainkillaany kubuntu devs in here?01:18
brainkillacoz I got a few problems I would like to discuss ;)01:19
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brainkillaRiddell, I suppose you're the one ;)01:20
Riddellthat'll be me01:21
lytefyreRiddell : I have installed apache through kynaptic and apache2ctl still complains ..any ideas ?01:21
brainkillafirst and foremost, pppd and kernel are not doing their job correctly01:21
brainkillaI was unable to connect thru modem, until I installed ubuntu warty's kernel01:22
Riddelllytefyre, brainkilla: these are both general ubuntu issues, you would be better trying #ubuntu or ubuntu-users mailing list01:22
Riddelllytefyre: but I'd try  /etc/init.d/apache2 01:23
brainkillasorry, I realised that you guys were part of the ubuntu team...01:23
Riddellbrainkilla: interesting though, I've heard a few complaints about kppp, now I can just blame ubuntu01:23
brainkillait's ubuntu definetly...01:23
brainkillaand some smartass over there put lt_modem and lt_serial in the kernel...01:24
lytefyrethanks Riddell will try there !01:24
brainkillawhich is major BS imho01:24
brainkillaI have a Lucent soft modem btw01:24
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brainkillawarty kernel, my own modules and kppp brought me here ;)01:25
brainkillaso it's not kppp01:25
Locutus1234Can warty be upgraded to kubuntu?01:26
apokryphosLocutus1234: you can do warty -> ubu hoary -> kubuntu, yes. 01:27
apokryphosLocutus1234: the only current available kde version in Warty is 3.2, however. In hoary 3.4 is out. Please see: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE01:27
Locutus1234Do you recommend doing the upgrade from synaptico or through apt?01:28
apokryphosLocutus1234: There's no difference; they're the same thing. Synaptic is the GUI front-end of apt. 01:28
apokryphosquicker on command-line though01:28
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smoucheIs anyone having a problem with konqueror crashing frequently, especially when viewing images?01:56
smoucheI'm using amd64, 500 mb ram01:57
lytefyreare there other programs beside apache that i can use to set up a web server ??02:01
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membreyahmmm, I've lost all my icons on my bottom bar :\02:11
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apokryphosmembreya: what buttons? Shortcut to applications?02:16
membreyaapokryphos: all of them, the kde menu, shortcuts..my system tray02:17
membreyaI was playing with the kernel and then it said it couldn't load applet, so I reloaded my old kernel and now the menus are gone :\02:17
apokryphosmembreya: is the whole panel gone, or is the panel (kicker) there with all those missing?02:17
membreyathe panel is still there, just blank (except for my shortcut to thunderbird)02:18
apokryphosAnything under ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker?02:19
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membreyaunder ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker .. I have nothing :| there are other apps there..just not kicker02:20
membreyaya :\02:21
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membreyaso what should I do ?02:21
apokryphosI really don't know why kernel problem would kill your kicker. Do you wanna try dist-upgrading?02:22
membreyait's only installing kmail, gnupg agent, libpth2 and pinentry-qt02:22
apokryphosif you've got a late version, then it might be worth trying to reinstall kdelibs/base. I'm clutching at straws here though... I recommend asking in #kde.02:22
apokryphosI don't actually think the folder is vital or anything02:24
apokryphosit really essentially contains only the shortcuts to apps02:24
membreyabut .. I have no menu! :P lol02:25
apokryphosTry adding it02:26
apokryphosRight Click on kicker02:26
apokryphosAdd to Panel02:26
membreyalooks ugly, getting help in #kde..they're saying it's nothing to do with kicker02:28
apokryphosKicker is the whole bottom panel... they're saying it's not to do with that folder, sure. :)02:28
apokryphosLike I said, it was only for shortcut to apps etc.02:28
apokryphostry adding them.. that work?02:29
smoucheDoes anyone know why amarok won't play my network files?  It seems to load them, but won't play02:30
brainkillatalking about amarok, it gives me really choppy sound...02:35
brainkillajuk also...02:35
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BROKEN_LADDERI DIDN'T change anything, and all of a sudden my multi-media shortcuts work.03:07
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haydenhow can i install X11 cursor themes?03:24
incubiidunno, are their packages for them ?03:25
incubiigot me stuffed, ive never needed to install anythign that wasnt from the repositories03:25
haydeni know in gnome u could use gcursors but im not sure about in kde03:26
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incubiihope that helps03:30
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incubiitrying to still fixed the fucked xserver of mine03:33
incubiiif i restart it at 24bit its fine but on bootup its not, all multicolored03:33
incubiitried modelines to no avail03:33
incubiireally shitting me off03:33
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Bicchiso other than kubuntu using kde is there a difference from installing ubuntu first and then kde?03:53
incubiidont really think so03:55
incubiibut id say you would have both gnome and kde that way03:55
Bicchii thought that the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu was having kde vs gnome03:56
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membreyahow do you control the login/logoff sounds in kde? :\04:01
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bhsxvery nice04:08
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bhsxkubuntu doesn't install the nvidia drivers?04:09
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bhsxis there a easy way to install from the live cd, or do I have to download the other .iso?04:12
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chavobhsx, there's a way to do it, but I recommend the install iso04:12
bhsxk....   you mean other than just using dd?  ;)04:13
chavoactually I used rsync04:13
bhsxand i'll just be able to apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade??04:13
bhsxwhen it's out of beta, that is04:14
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bhsx2ok, downloading it now04:15
bhsx2any tips/tricks to bring it up to speed as far as mplayer/codecs and such is concerned?  or nvidia driver support?04:16
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bhsx2java isn't installed is it?04:16
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haydenhow can i make an icon of a samba share appear on the desktop when i mount a samba share?04:21
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chavohayden, go to Control Center -> Desktop -> Behaviour04:25
chavoclick on the device icons tab04:25
chavothen show device icons04:25
haydenok thanks04:26
haydenwould that show a mounted share if i use this to mount it, sudo mount //host/share /home/mnt/share -t smbfs -o umask=0 ?04:29
chavohayden, I believe it has to be in /etc/fstab04:29
haydenok thats what i thought04:29
haydenbecause this is my laptop, im not always on my home network04:29
haydenso i dont always want to try to mount the shares04:29
chavoyeah just tried it here, commented out the samba shares in fstab and the icons went away04:33
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Roeydoes LILO have a problem booting amd64 kernels or something??04:54
RoeyI've tried three different kernels on three different drives and they all give the same PANIC message.04:55
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haydenhow do i install flash player for konqueror?05:10
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Roeyhi smouche05:11
Roeysmouche: does lilo have some sort of problem loading amd64 kernels??05:11
Roeygrub worked fine as installed -- but the moment after I install lilo on the MBR, reboot, and selec the kernel, it spits out a kernel panic05:12
smoucheHi Roey05:14
smoucheSorry, I never used lilo05:14
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Roeyno one ever uses lilo eh?05:15
Roeyhow about this05:15
Roeysmouche: can grub use / if it is raid1 ??05:15
Roeysmouche: and how do I install grub on a disk with grub-install?05:15
Roey(i.e. rewrite it over lilo)05:15
smoucheheh, got me again, Roey.  I don't use raid1.  I am one primitive damn non-techie05:16
Roeyit's fine..05:16
Roeyhow do youjust install grub?05:16
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haydenhow do i install flash player for konqueror??05:17
smouchehow do we entice (k)ubuntu experts, devs in here??  05:20
smoucheheh heh05:20
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smouchekubuntu seems a little less active than plain old #ubuntu05:20
membreya45 people vs 357, of course it's less active :P05:22
smoucheWell, obviously kubuntu folks just don't have issues ... ;-)05:23
membreya:P 05:23
smoucheevery time I dist-upgrade, I keep hoping that konqueror will magically cease crashing constantly.  05:24
smouchenot pleased with this05:24
membreyawhat's wrong with konqueror ?05:25
smoucheI don't know, it's crashing very frequently, especially when viewing any kind of image file05:26
membreyahmmm, mines going psychotic when I click links, but apart from that 05:26
smoucheI seem to be ok with web-browsing; it's the file browser that's screwed05:28
smoucheI need to check for bug reports on this, or file one.05:28
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bradhHmm, is there somewhere I can rsync from to fix my broken .iso?05:47
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SuperL4gHow goes it, gentlemen?06:11
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dimma1i am thinking about getting an x800 ati all-in-wonder... any experience with them in here?06:24
dimma1i am afraid of the noise and heat involved with high performance nvidia cards... so i thought now would be a good time to switch06:25
SuperL4gdimma1: it has been my experience that ATIs aren't worth the hassle it takes to get them configured06:26
dimma1damn... recommend a high performance nvidia card that isn't an asshole?06:27
SuperL4gdimma1: I have a GeForce FX 5200 in my Gentoo box.06:28
SuperL4gIt rocks.06:28
SuperL4gdual head06:28
dimma1i am using one of those right now06:28
SuperL4gsame card?06:29
dimma1no dvi out on mine06:29
SuperL4gnor mine06:29
dimma1i would like dvi for my lcd display06:29
SuperL4gI'd go for one of the higher-end models then06:32
SuperL4gwhich one, exactly, I'm not sure because this is the best video card I've owned06:32
SuperL4ghaven't got any newer model yet06:33
SuperL4gcan you do a bootsplash with yaboot?06:43
dimma1haven't tried06:43
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ka_kawhats the name of the windows-switcher on  the panel?08:15
dimma1well... a 38 second window to answer that one08:17
dimma1it has a name?08:17
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delltonyafter doing a upgrade i get the following error on kde startup can not load kde panel08:28
delltonyany suggestions?08:28
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delltonyany reason why the taskbar (panel) doesn't work anymore?08:38
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delltonyhi anyone around ?09:35
delltonyi ask cause its late 09:35
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Imsdleahello.. how do you edit the sources.list09:50
delltonysudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list09:50
ImsdleaYES thank you09:54
Imsdleai am trying to change my desktop to KDE? as i have an old 500mhz computer and it struggles a little.. i have 512mb of ram in it 09:54
Imsdleabut its still a little slow09:54
delltonyi don't recommend kde on a slow system09:55
delltonybut others may have a different view09:55
delltonyreally kde is for higher end pcs09:55
delltonyif you have a older pc id personally do the following09:55
delltonyid install fluxbox09:55
delltonywhich is a wm instead of a dm09:56
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delltonyflux is very minimal but you can customize it to look really cool with gtdesklets and idesklets (i think thats the one ofr icons) and so forth09:57
delltonyi use it on my p3 45009:57
delltonyand it runs great09:57
Imsdleaexcuss my ignorance but is it a total package?09:58
delltonywhat flux?09:58
delltonyflux is a window manager09:58
delltonyi'm sure your familar with good ol winblows, if so ill use the reference09:58
delltonyfluxbox is like windows 3.109:58
delltonykde is like xp09:58
delltonyfluxbox uses more of the shell witha  gui for things like launchers and all09:59
delltonykde does to the most part all the work for you09:59
delltonysomeone can correct me if i'm wrong but thats how i see it09:59
haydenthats right09:59
Imsdleaso i can run flux on a ubuntu system10:00
Imsdleahow do i change10:00
delltonysudo apt-get install fluxbox  10:00
delltonydo a apt-cache search fluxbox10:00
delltonyfor the actual package name10:00
delltonyor look in synaptic10:01
delltonynow when you load up flux you know that thing called session10:01
delltonyon ubuntu10:01
delltonylike when you are at the login screen?10:01
delltonyyou need to change it to fluxbox instead of gnome or kde10:01
delltonyit will then ask you if you want it as the default or whatever you can hit yes10:02
haydendoes anyone use Silver or Gold XCursors 3D?10:03
delltonyi don't10:03
delltonyand hey hayden i have a question for you10:03
delltonyright click on the gear on 3.4 (have you upgraded as in the last few mins?10:03
delltonyif so right click on the gear and tell me if menu editor works10:04
delltonymine is borked10:04
haydeni havent upgraded10:04
delltonybut i can add menu by right clickin on a menu item off the menu10:04
haydeni reinstalled kubuntu from the preview release disc10:04
delltonyoh ok10:04
delltonyi just did a dist-upgrade10:05
Imsdleashould i set my universals to hoary or warty for fluxbox?10:05
haydeni cant get to the menu editor from right clicking on the K10:05
haydenbut i can if i right click on something inside the K menu10:05
haydenlmsdlea: have u got ubuntu installed already?10:05
delltonysame here10:06
delltonythats the issue i'm having10:06
delltonyso its not just me thats good to know10:06
Imsdleayes im running ubunty now.. installed it on my wife's pc after i couldn't keep windows clean.. been great for 3 months with no changes! my digital camera even plugged and played! i am sold.. 10:06
delltonyImsdlea, what version warty or hoary?10:07
haydendid u install from the preview release disc of ubuntu?10:07
haydenubuntu hoary*10:07
delltonythen  you want hoary repositories10:07
delltonyhas array 7 came out yet?10:07
haydenim not sure10:08
Imsdleai have no idea.. how do i check.... i have installed itfrom the install version months ago and done regular updates10:08
delltonyuname -a10:08
delltonywell actually sorry 10:08
delltonythats nto correct10:08
Imsdlea UTC 2004 i586 GNU/Linux 10:08
haydennah that doesnt tell ya10:09
delltonyyeah that was incorrect10:09
delltonyi don't know what hte command is to tell what version of ubuntu your using10:09
hunger_Is there any estimation yet when the kdepim will be uploaded?10:09
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delltonyhmm i figured it would be in /etc/motd but its not10:10
haydenlmsdlea: im not sure how to check thru a terminal, but u can type this 'sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list' and see read the first line10:10
delltonytype cat /etc/issue10:11
Imsdleadeb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / 10:11
delltonyyour using warty10:11
delltonynot hoary10:11
delltonyso use warty repositories10:11
delltonyand preview?10:11
delltonyon warty?10:12
delltonydamn thats olddddddddddddddd10:12
delltonyi know dist-upgrade is suppose to upgrade you to hoary10:13
delltonyi wouldn't recommend it from personal experience10:13
delltonycause if yo have used backports 10:13
delltonyand other unofficial sources10:13
delltonyit will bork you10:14
delltonybeen there done that10:14
delltonyyou end up having dependency issues10:14
hungerdelltony: You can't have apt reinstall everything just to make sure?10:14
Imsdleadamn dail up 55mb.. might have to take it into work10:14
delltonyi haven't tried that10:14
delltonyi just gave up after 4 tries of upgrading10:15
delltonyi just did a full clean install of hoary10:15
delltonyi even tried it with a fresh copy of warty clean installed then ran dist-upgrade didn't work10:15
delltonyhad broken packages and x would not start10:15
hungerdelltony: Outch, that is really bad.10:15
delltonyyeah its noted all thru bugzilla10:16
delltonyor was 10:16
hungerdelltony: Never saw that with a vanilla debian....10:16
Imsdleahow can you cancel certain downloads on  dist-upgrade i don't need codecs 10:16
delltonyImsdlea, as i stated i woldn't recommend dist-upgrade10:16
delltonycause i can almost be certain from warty to hoary it will bork it10:16
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delltonybut things may have changed from array 5 to preview10:17
hungerHmmm.... maybe I should stick with debian then:-)10:17
delltonyit didn't work on array 5 4 tims for me10:17
haydenplus you'll probably download as much upgrading as you would if u just downloaded the preview release iso10:17
delltonywell once its updated and working its fine10:17
hungerI do not want to reinstall once I got a distro I like.10:17
delltonywell here is a hint10:17
delltonyso DON'T dist-upgrade to it10:18
delltonyuntil its released10:18
delltonyjust a personal opinion10:18
delltonyunless your like me and willing to risk it10:18
delltonythe major issue i think with upgrading is the fact your going from xfree86config to xorg10:19
delltonyat least thats what i believe borked my deal10:19
delltonynot certain10:19
hungerdelltony: I usully don't distupgrade anyway... no need when doing daily upgrades.10:19
delltonysame here 10:19
delltonyonly dist-upgrade when there is a new release10:20
delltonyas in array 6 to array 710:20
hungerand however bad kubuntu might bork the upgrades: It will be better than gentoo.10:20
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delltonygentoo i hate10:21
delltonybut thats a persornal opinion10:21
delltonyemerge this emerge that10:21
hungerdelltony: I was bored out of my tree! I'll never do that mistake again.10:21
delltonyhey wanna know a little trick10:22
hungerdelltony: emerge is not worse than apt-get... it just takes ages instead of secounds to emerge.10:22
delltonydo a locate on kside.png10:22
delltonythen open up a image editor like gimp or whatever10:22
delltonyand change the kde 3.4 to like i love linux or something10:22
delltonyi put a girl with a thong as the gear on mine10:23
Imsdleaok im lost.. i currently running ubuntu............. i think i want to go to kubunu, but I turn left rather then right at fluxbox and ended up in a deadend street with kde..10:23
delltonywell if your running on a p3 500 its gonna be slow10:24
delltonybut try it10:24
delltonysure if thats what you like10:24
hungerdelltony: I have people running kde3.3 on a Pentium 133 and they are happy with it...10:24
delltonyok 10:24
delltonyi just know it bogs my p3 450 down10:25
delltonybut everyone is different i guess10:25
hungerIt is *SLOW*, but they are not used to anything faster, so they do not care.10:25
Imsdleaso... i have changed my sources.list with hoary rather then warty, now im running upgrade to get the files .. then i run apt-get kubuntu-desktop to change from ubuntu to kubuntu?10:26
delltonyi just use fluxbox and its like a good ol slam bam thank you mam10:26
delltonyfast as hell on a slow system10:26
Imsdleaback to flux box.. how do i download it.. 10:26
delltonynow on my highend system i use kde and love it10:26
delltonyapt-get install fluxbox10:26
delltonyor sudo synaptic10:26
delltonyand do a search for fluxbox10:26
hungerdelltony: Yeap... used to do that too... then switched to fvwm (you can turn of windows borders there) and then ended at KDE (without windows borders as well)10:27
delltonyor better yet #fluxbox10:27
delltonyyou can turn off the window boders in flux too10:27
delltonyi forget the command but i made a key toggle for it so the windows are transparent10:28
hungerdelltony: Yeap. But I did not find a way to remove that menu at the border of the screen. I need my screen for my apps, not my WM.10:28
delltonyi very seldom use my desktop10:28
delltonyso i'm ont upto par on flux10:28
delltonyi just run a image hosting server on it10:28
delltonyoh that panel thing 10:29
hungerdelltony: I don't want my windows to vanish... I just don't want that bar telling me that this window is running mozilla (which I can see for myself just fine, thank you)10:29
hungerdelltony: and I do not need these resize handles all around windows either.10:29
delltonyyeah thats something that pissed me off wth flux10:30
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delltonyi didn't care for that either10:30
delltonybut what i always do is this10:30
delltonyi maxmize the screen10:30
delltonyso you never see that thing10:30
delltonyand then made a keybinding for the windows key10:30
delltonyso it brings up the menu10:30
hungerdelltony: The screen has such a stupid format for maximizing...10:30
haydendelltony what window theme and stuff do u use for kde?10:31
delltonyand then i take and hold down the mouse and drag it to the thing10:31
hungerdelltony: The lines of text get way to long when maximizing a browser.10:31
haydendo u have a picture of ur desktop anywhere?10:31
hungerdelltony: I usually have two windows next to each other.10:31
ImsdleaThe following packages have unmet dependencies:10:31
Imsdlea  fluxbox: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu4) but 1:3.4.2-2ubuntu1 is to be installed10:31
delltonysudo apt-get install libgcc110:32
hungerhayden: Who? me?10:32
Imsdlealibgcc1 is already the newest version.10:32
delltonyas in #fluxbox i'm not really sure10:33
haydenanyone, i just want to see what other peoples desktops look like 10:33
haydenso i can see what i can do10:33
delltonycause i know for one thing the ubuntu version is out of date :)10:33
delltonyi compiled it from source10:33
delltonyhang on a sec10:34
hungerhayden: I got a blue background (I think, haven't seen that in a while) and currently a konqui sized to 800x1200 pix next to a ksirc of the same size. Both windows without any decoration from the WM. No need to take pictures of that.10:34
delltonytheir drool10:34
delltonythere even10:34
delltonyevery one of those are fluxbox by the way10:35
hungerhayden: No panels, and whatnot that just eats away on the screen estate.10:35
delltonylet me mae a screenshot of what i have mines pretty plane atually10:36
hungerdelltony: I bet mine is lamer than yours:-)10:36
delltonyprobably ;)10:38
delltonyman i forget the shell command for the timer10:39
delltonyto make the screenshot10:39
delltonyanyone know the xwd command for a screen?10:42
delltonysleep 5; xwd -out myscreen.png;10:46
delltonyhttp://fapomatic.com/show.php?loc=8&f=screenshot_3.jpg  that should work 10:54
delltonyi had one of my girlfriends butt in jeans haha10:57
delltonyi should have posted it 10:57
hungerdelltony: So you are on a dell?10:58
delltonyum yeah :D10:59
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delltonyman i swear i wish paypal didn't want to link to your bank account i refuse to use it because of that11:05
delltonyhunger you still here?11:35
hungerdelltony: yes.11:36
delltonyif so type this at a shell and listen they are some really stupid folks in this world11:36
delltonytype mplayer mms://kroq.wmod.llnwd.net/a168/o1/kbaudio/911_tape.asf11:36
delltonythat is an actual 911 call i seen it on the news last night11:36
hungerdelltony: Wow... 911, the make me happy number.11:38
delltonyid lock her up for being a mential issues11:39
delltonysome folks really feel that way though11:40
delltonyi know my grandmother use to order a pizza and ask them to pick up her medicine at the drug store for her11:40
delltonyand would get pissed when they wouldn't11:40
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delltonyyou know thats the thing this is something i don't understand 11:41
delltonyyou could set down around a pharmacy right11:41
hungerdelltony: In the good ol' days when they still had service they would have done that.11:41
delltonyand listen to folks make their medication request right11:42
delltonythen after the person walks away11:42
delltonygo up ther eand say i'm here to pick up the med for so in so11:42
delltonyand they would give it to you11:42
delltonyi use to do pizza like that11:43
delltonyset down at the table with a coke or whatever and listen to them take an order11:43
delltonythen after they did and all id call and complain about the pizza11:43
delltonythat i didn't even order11:43
delltonyand end up getting a free one11:43
delltonyor call the cops11:44
delltonyi wanted sausage on my pizza11:44
delltonyanyway later on11:44
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dmoynehas anybody found a fix to edit menus with KDE 3.4 with hoary ?11:53
delltonytype in run kmenuedit11:54
dmoyneto delltony : funny it works ! ; after this is K menu option "Edit menus" going to work ?11:56
delltonyi don't know i didn't make it just use it :P11:58
delltonyand no k menu is borked11:59
dmoyneto delltony : borked !!!!12:00
dmoyneto delltony thaks by !12:02
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incubiibear in mind kubuntu isnt officially released yet :P12:03
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brainkillaI have a problem setting up screensaver...12:20
brainkillaanyone willing to help?12:20
incubiii can try12:22
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haydeni just upgraded and all the items on the bottom panel disappeared12:23
brainkillathe problem is really stupid I daresay12:24
brainkillaI just can't manage to have a screensaver at all12:24
brainkillathe module refuses to give me previews...12:24
brainkillatest button doesn't work12:24
incubiiwhats the trouble with the sscreensavers12:24
incubiiyeah  have the problem too12:24
incubiii was trying to solve it yesterday12:24
brainkillaok, it's a bug then ;)12:24
incubiiseems so12:24
incubiijust remember kubuntu isnt official yet :)12:24
incubiiwell official preview12:25
brainkillaxscreensaver seems to work when started independently12:25
brainkillaI can have a preview and all12:25
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brainkillabut inside KDE itself - nothing...12:25
haydenyea same12:27
brainkillahmmm, screensaver just appeared out of nowhere :)12:27
incubiiyeah i noticed that too. are you using the kubuntu iso or apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?12:27
brainkillaif you're asking me, I'm using iso12:28
brainkillaI found the solution I think12:28
brainkillaxscreensaver daemon must be started...12:29
brainkillaand it is not by default12:29
brainkillaso .autostart script is something logical, I think12:30
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incubiistill cant solve my xserver problem12:35
incubiihate having to restart it just so it dont look fucked up12:35
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brainkillaxserver problem?  or xscreensaver? ;)12:37
incubiiwhen it boots up into KDM its all fucked up. rainbow stripes everywhere. i tried modelines to fix this but the onyl way so far is to just restart X and then everythign is fine12:38
brainkillayeah, I got those with warty, and now with kubuntu hoary, when logging out...12:38
brainkillaand x is starting slowly, nvidia splash lasts too long...12:39
incubiiLinux anubis 2.6.11-1-powerpc-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 16:46:07 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux12:39
incubiii use ppc :)12:40
brainkillalucky you12:40
brainkillawhat are the specs of your machine, if I may ask?12:40
incubiiDuel 1.42ghz G4, 512mb Ram (half in my PC) and a radeon 9000 on an 18" LCD12:41
brainkilladual G4 - goddamn, I say goddamn...12:42
haydennot the best though12:42
brainkillayeah, I've heard about dual G5 2,5 ghz ;)12:43
incubiiyeah, not a Duel 2.5ghz, 1gb Ram G5 like at work12:43
brainkillayou're american, right?12:44
incubiiwher ei work has 42 Duel 2.5ghz, 1gb ram, Geforce 6800 Ultras runnin duel 30" Apple LCDs and 4 20" LCDs on PCI cards12:44
incubiiits a very nice setup12:45
haydenis that for something like animation or to do with movies?12:45
incubiistock trading12:45
brainkillastock trading?!12:45
incubiithey have more windows open then you could count12:45
membreyaall that multimedia power..just for stock trading12:45
incubiithe stock trading software brings the G5 to a crawl12:45
incubiithey are too slow12:46
haydendid microsoft make the software geez12:46
brainkillaprolly :)12:46
incubiiyeah kinda shocked me when i found out they were too slow12:46
incubiitalk of giving people 4 way opterons as their desktop machines12:46
incubiiwith 4gb ram12:46
membreyammmmmmm :P~12:46
incubiiman i hope that goes through caus ei get to play with them till they work12:46
incubiii love my work, as you can tell12:47
brainkillait hardly comes as a surprise ;)12:47
incubiigot to play Halflife 2 th eother day at 2560x1600 everything maxed out with AA on at 80fps12:47
membreyai was so proud.. I broke the mac at work the other day :P12:48
incubiialmost creamed myself, lol12:48
incubiilol membreya 12:48
incubiii hate when the macs break, i have no idea how to fix them12:48
haydenmembreya: what'd u use a hammer?12:48
membreyahayden: good old adam-speed multitasking :P12:48
incubiii run linux on my macs at work and this one here12:49
membreyatis only a G4 though12:49
incubiiif i ever need OS X i just fire up mol12:49
membreyagotta say though, I was smitten with the animation effects of minimising in OSX :P12:49
membreyawish KDE could do it12:49
incubiiyeah OS X is pretty12:50
incubiii was taken back by how pleasing to the eye it was for me12:50
incubiicompared to the crud that windows provides12:50
haydenthe only thing KDE has is when you go over say the K-Menu and the tool tip appears12:50
membreyacandy :D and damn good candy12:50
membreyahayden: you can also make the menus appear at the top of the screen like mac :P12:50
incubiii find my productivity gets reduced to zero though on OS X as i dont know how to do anything 12:51
haydenmembreya: yea the file menu12:51
membreyaincubii: I get lost with only have one mouse button and no mouse wheel :\12:51
incubiiyeah thats why i put MX1000's on them with logitech KBs12:51
incubiiso much nicer12:52
membreyayou're making a mongrel mac :P12:52
haydenwheres the best place locally, to mount samba network shares, under /media/?12:52
incubiifunctional mac12:52
membreyahayden: yes12:52
incubiiif you use smb4k it mounts them in your home directory12:52
membreyakde is being weird..i have to log in, log out and then log in again for my drive icons to appear on my desktop12:53
incubiiif only i could put taskbar into desktop bar in kde it would be sweet12:54
incubiiyeah to show current apps running12:54
membreyaon....your desktop? :\12:55
incubiino i want it in the desktopbar at the top of the screen12:55
incubiiso i only have icons on the bottom part12:55
membreyaaaah :)12:55
incubiii want kde to be os X12:55
membreyabut OSX has your running apps down the bottom :P12:56
haydenhave u got a osx looking window theme12:56
incubiii like plastik12:56
membreyaplastik is what I use :)12:56
incubiiuse to liek keramik but it was too bright12:56
incubiiand kiddy12:56
membreyaif someone can make a theme so that the windows minimise like OSX, I will hump their leg12:57
membreyaincubii: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21357&forummode=2&forumpage=0&forumexplevel=301:02
membreyajust to prove that someone has done it :P01:03
haydenmembreya: are there any mac os x like docks that aren't just launchers, but can show what windows are currently open and stuff?01:03
membreyadunno :( I've only just started to appreciate OSX :)01:04
incubiiheh nice01:05
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membreyais there any way to get konqueror to cache thumbnails?01:15
incubiiits on by default i beleive01:15
membreyadoesn't cache the thumbnails of my music vids :| lol ...and since I have 980 of them it takes a while to generate the thumbnails01:16
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NetSKaVeNanyone remastering kubuntu live CD?01:19
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haggaiNetSKaVeN: it gets remastered every morning01:42
NetSKaVeNhaggai: but I'm talking about personal remastering01:43
NetSKaVeNto put/quit apps01:44
NetSKaVeNI'm working in a modified kubuntu to interactive fiction spanish fans01:45
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NetSKaVeNbut the Live Customized Howto doesn't work well01:45
NetSKaVeNI quit many apps but my iso finish bigger than the original01:46
haggaiNetSKaVeN: ah, ok.  I haven't tried it myself yet01:47
NetSKaVeNok, thanks anyway01:48
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Quinn_Stormhey, just happened to notice, they synced in the rest of the packages the metapackage "kde" needs sometime lastnight!01:48
haydenwhats some nice things i can add to my desktop?01:53
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apokryphoshayden: superkaramba? Other icon themes? Wallpapers etc.. 01:56
haydenhmm ok01:58
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apokryphoshayden: you can't get better than www.kde-look.org01:58
haydeni have some samba shares that mount when the comptuer boots (in /etc/fstab) how come they dont appear on the desktop01:58
haydenyea i know01:58
apokryphosI'm not sure because I never enable that stuff, but Configure Desktop > Behavior  > Device Icons is likely the place you wanna check.02:00
haydenyea thats checked02:00
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Ruby_liveguys... i need some help with a new install...02:16
RiddellRuby_live: you need to say what the problem is else it's hard to help02:18
Ruby_liveheh... sorry... went out for a sec...02:19
Ruby_liveXserver doesnt run on startup, and when i run it manually it says there is some error with Xserver, and Xauthoritie...02:20
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sridwell, how to see a demo of speech engine in kubunut? 02:23
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apokryphosIn Konsole, when switching Tabs with the shortcut -- Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right -- it doesn't seem to actually change the Shell No.; only seems to change the active tab02:26
apokryphosMy brother doesn't have this problem with his 3.4 (on Gentoo), and just checked another Kubuntu installation that has the same problem. So, I'm kind of inclined to think that it's down to kubuntu here...02:28
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apokryphosCan anyone else clarify this, too? If so, will compile a bug report.02:29
apokryphoserghh... silliness. That's the shortcut to move the tab. =). Cancel that.02:30
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kinemaHow do I change the bindings of the fouth and fifth mouse buttons in Konqueror?  I want them to be 'Forward' and 'Back' like they are in FF and most (every?) other browsers.02:32
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haydenhow do i make it so all the folders in a directory appear at the top in konqueror02:45
mcnl_1i need some help with a new Kubuntu install... X doesnt run on startup and i get an error runing xinit in command line...02:50
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haydenare there any good looking ubuntu kdm03:04
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buzhelp! i dist-upgraded my kubuntu today (whole lot of kde updates) and my panel config got overwritten03:10
haydenyea same03:13
buzwhat to do? restore from backup? (actually made on on wednesday ;-)03:13
haydeni just re added everything i had on there03:13
buzthat's a pain03:13
haydenbut i had the default panel items though03:13
haydenso it wasnt hard03:13
buzand i cant seem to figure out how to get stuff like kopete to show up there agin03:13
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haydenadd panel->applet->system tray03:14
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haydeni think thats it03:14
buzyeah it is03:14
buzmust haver overlooked it as i doesnt have an icon there so i just sorta skipped it embarassing03:14
buzlets see if restoring from backup helps03:16
buzi can only advise NOT to upgrade today03:16
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_buzsheesh this sucks03:20
_buzrestoring from backup doesnt help either03:20
haggaiouch I wonder what went wrong03:21
haggaiRiddell: any idea?  Your uploads are likely to have triggered it I guess03:21
_buzi just hope this ain't like the normal way of doing kde updates in kubuntu *EG*03:21
haggai_buz: is it possible that kubuntu-defaults just got installed on your system?03:22
_buzdoes apt keep a log somewhere03:22
_buzalso i wonder, my bios says i have 1024mb ram (which makes sense using 2x512mb sticks) but top only shows like 900mb phys memory???03:22
apokryphos_buz: read just too late :P. Just did. 03:22
apokryphosI notice some of my settings are mucked up, but nothing serious yet.03:22
_buzwell it doesn't trash data from what i can tell, it just fucks over your kde settings03:23
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apokryphosOther having the exact same problem (as I just had): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2198903:23
_buzi thought kubuntu might just be the first linux that actually works when upgrading03:24
_buzguess i was wrong there hehehe03:24
_buzbut otherwise it's a fine distro03:24
apokryphos_buz: This is actually the first time I've had that problem, and I think I've updated far more than most.03:24
_buzi've run apt-get distrupgrade daily for the past week03:25
apokryphosDaily..? Why? 03:25
_buzbeating the shit out of it, trying to see if it breaks ;-)03:25
_buz(my other debian based ventures like knoppix or mepis always broke pretty quickly ;-)03:25
apokryphosI've done well over around 30 dist-upgrades; I had another issue in the past, but it was solved with a reconfiguration of X. Apart from that, this is the only problem I've had with it03:26
_buzlets hope this is an isolated incident then03:27
_buzi nuked my last win2k setup the other day ;-)03:27
apokryphosHow did you do that? Use IE? :P03:28
_buznah, qtparted03:28
apokryphosah, partition problems03:28
_buzi meant to nuke it ;-)03:28
_buzdid it on purpose03:28
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_buzbut firefox somehow behaves weird03:29
_buzi can see it drawing parts of the ui after maximizing it from the taskbar03:29
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_buzother than that, things feel quite speedy03:30
Roeyapokryphos:  hi!03:30
Roeyapokryphos:  does lilo have a problem with amd64?  All the amd64 kernels I've tried have given PANICs right after the kernel is finished uncompressing.03:31
_buzRoey:  what board have you got for that amd64? i'm meaning to buy one but i can't really find a board to my liking03:33
Roeymsi K8T neo fis2r 03:34
Roey_buz:  that03:34
Roey_buz:  it has integrated sound and ethernet03:34
Roey_buz:  it's ok I guess.. the biggest problem is that it doesn't do ddr, only sdr03:34
_buzhuuuh? all athlon64 use ddr03:34
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_buzor do you mean dual channel? that depends on the cpu itself (memory controller is inside the cpu), only socket939 supports it03:35
apokryphosSorry about that; evil internet disconnected. Not sure if my last message got delivered...03:36
apokryphosHm. Kstart and Alt+ F2 seem larger. Also, on the K-menu, the Kubuntu customization image there seems to be missing03:36
_buzi had to readd kmenu myself03:36
_buzand before, the startup sequence wouldnt show the normal kde loading process, now it does03:36
apokryphosgtk2-engines-gtk-qt doesn't seem to be doing its job, neither03:36
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apokryphosGTK apps looking real ugly03:37
buzi tried to install gtk-qt  but i couldnt figure out how to get GTK to actually use it03:37
Roey_buz:  dual channel, sorry ;)03:37
apokryphosbuz: configure from kcontrol03:37
buzyeah but it doesn't seem to do anything really03:38
apokryphosBut kdeaccessibility in.. which is nice. Though kttsd seems to crash here. :(03:38
buzfirefox still got them ugly gnome dialogs03:38
apokryphosbuz: It isn't now.. like I said, doesn't seem to be doing its job. Was fine before.03:38
buzi don't think it ever did the job for me03:38
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RoeyI will ask on #grub as well then03:38
buzin general, nvidia has the better linux support than ati right03:39
buzno composite on my radeon, sux03:40
mcnl_1i disagree :P im trying to run ubuntu for 2 weeks now and X just wont start :D03:40
buzworked perfectly for me03:40
buzeven with that crappy prosavage onboard trash it would start03:41
buzbut only use 8bit color LOL03:41
mcnl_1i get some xinit:Xserver error and thats it :)03:41
buzdid you try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"03:42
buzthat worked for me when switching cards03:42
mcnl_1yeah... all is configured correctly...03:42
buzwhat card have you got (won't buy it then ;-)03:42
mcnl_1oh... now it says there are some authoretie problems with Xauthoreite?!03:42
mcnl_1i dont think you can buy it any more...03:43
mcnl_1its a geforce 203:43
buzah yeah03:43
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buzthat's pretty old ;)03:43
buzi was thinking along the lines of gforce 520003:44
mcnl_1so... any one has any clue?03:44
buznot really03:45
mcnl_1oh... :P03:45
buzX has traditionally been my archenemy03:45
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_thomasHi there!03:52
_thomasWhere may I get the pakage cyrus-sasl-plain?03:52
_thomasI do need it to be able to send mails through that gmail-smtp03:53
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apokryphosgrothesk: Google, likely, as it isn't in the repos. What program are you using for your gmail?03:55
grotheskapokryphos: I'm using kmail03:56
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apokryphosgrothesk: for sending mails why not use the sendmail that it provides? Works quite well here.03:56
apokryphosthough admittedly, I have no idea how it actually works.03:57
grotheskI don't like hosting a senmalserver of my own.03:57
buzalso, how can i get firefox to handle all urls from kde? right know kde downloads the files then calls firefox upon thte local copy03:57
grotheskI used to use SuSE but wanted to try k/ubuntu. But without being able to send mail to that smtp-server it is useless.03:59
apokryphosbuz: altering from kcontrol doesn't help?03:59
apokryphosgrothesk: well, then look for the package from the Internet, like I said.04:00
buzcyrus-sasl should be pretty easy to get04:00
buzcyrus after all is widely used04:00
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buzaaah i need to use a link with firefox %u, not just firefox04:01
buzbut now the bouncing firefox icon stays there for a loong time04:01
apokryphosit's not KDE ;-)04:01
buzwell firefox was already in memory and displaying the page while there was still the bouncing icon which is kinda weird if you ask me04:02
haggaigrothesk: maybe you mean libsasl2-modules04:03
buznoooow, a firefox kde port would be something04:03
buzi think there actually ARE qt hooks in firefox, it's just that i can't find binaries of it anywhere04:03
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MindZEyeWasn't a port produced recently to use Gecko instead of KHTML?04:06
buzi don't care so much for gecko than my beloved extensions04:07
buzso gecko in konqueror wouldn't help me much04:07
grotheskhaggai: libsasl2-modules is alreada installed. Actually als Pakages containing sasl are installed...04:08
grotheskSo I'll have to go back to SuSE, I think. 04:09
haggaigrothesk: but what does that package do?04:09
haggai cyrus-sasl-plain package contains the Cyrus SASL plugins which support04:10
haggaiPLAIN and LOGIN authentication schemes04:10
haggai This package provides the following SASL modules: LOGIN, PLAIN, ANONYMOUS,04:10
haggai OTP, CRAM-MD5, and DIGEST-MD5 (with DES support).04:10
grotheskI dont know exactly, but I do know that I had to install it in order to be able to send my mails throug smtp.gmail.com04:10
haggaigrothesk: the descriptions for those are the same04:10
haggaiit must be a configuration problem, not a missing package problem04:11
grotheskI cant find that package in kynaptic04:11
haggailibsasl2-modules is there04:12
grotheskI do have installed libsasl2, libsasl2-modules libsasl7 libsasl-modules-plain 04:13
grotheskI'm currentliy downloading mandrake, maybe that will work better...04:14
grotheskJust thought kubuntu might be a good alternative to Suse. But maybe it's still too early for it.04:17
buzit works pretty well for me04:17
buzaside of the kde screw up today that is04:18
buzi can't stand suse, they patch everything without any clear reason to do so04:18
grotheskThere are some minor glitches I don't like.04:18
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buzbut bsd on the desktop lacks some driver support04:18
grotheskUSB-Devices do not automount in kubuntu04:18
buzi just saw a post about that on ubuntuforums it SHOULD work04:19
grotheskFor me it does not. I had to mount it manually.04:19
buzsays you need pmount 04:19
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grotheskI do have pmount.04:21
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buzanybody got a nforce4 board?04:34
hungerAny estimation on when kdepim incl. crypto will be uploaded?04:39
hungerThe missing encryption stuff is what keeps me tied to this sucky gentoo thingy I have currently installed.04:40
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alicanHi all05:11
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odie5533apokryphos: Can you name some ways that KDE is better than gnome?05:33
odie5533I've tried both, and I still don't see why anyone would use KDE05:34
buzit's not based on GTK 05:34
apokryphosSure; though I'm of the belief that desktop-environment is often subjective05:34
apokryphosTight intergration with apps, great apps, things like DCOP, great handling of settings, Konqueror...05:34
apokryphos*Tight intergration, in general, actually.05:35
odie5533The GTK part of gnome makes it possible to actually use apps without major display propblems from app to app05:35
buzconsistent look and feel05:35
buzi haven't seen display problems in qt so far at all05:35
odie5533Yeah I noted the integration of konqeror, quite nice05:35
odie5533everytime I tried KDE I had huge fonts05:35
apokryphosodie5533: display problems from app to app?05:36
buzyou can easily change that in kcontrol you know05:36
odie5533fonts always changed05:36
apokryphosodie5533: well, why not change them? It can be done *very* easily05:36
odie5533buz: didn't help05:36
odie5533I tried05:36
buzmhh sure worked for me05:36
odie5533It worked some of the times05:36
odie5533Most notably was FireFox fonts... KDE just doesn't like firefox I guess05:36
apokryphosNot sure, but you can't really critisize KDE because it has "large fonts". That point is by nature pretty much a non-point.05:36
apokryphosWell, that's because it's not KDE05:37
buzuuhm firefox is a GTK app ;-)05:37
apokryphosthere's a package you can get to adjust GTK fonts in KDE05:37
odie5533I got that package =/ it doesn't help enough05:37
odie5533So what browser do you use instead?05:37
apokryphosI'm actually having problems with it at the moment too, actually, but hopefully it'll be sorted soon.05:37
apokryphosIt was running fine a week ago, and made GTK apps bearable here.05:37
odie5533If you are wondering ;D Gnome runs all apps perfectly for me05:38
odie5533I like the desktop environment of KDE though05:38
apokryphosI never said apps don't run smoothly in KDE05:39
buzapokryphos: i still think it should be activated somewhere05:39
apokryphosbuz: yes, in kcontrol.05:39
apokryphosodie5533: of any kind.05:39
buzapokryphos: i did05:39
odie5533What other reasons are there to use KDE?05:39
buzdoesnt seem to change anything05:39
buzyou dont need to look at a stinking foot05:39
apokryphosbuz: Yeah, like I said, current seems to be having probs.05:39
buzwhat version where you using before? 5.04? didnt work for me there either05:40
hungerodie5533: Are your DPI settings correct for your display?05:40
hungerodie5533: You might try lowering them...05:40
apokryphosodie5533: It's often the little things that all add up, but there are quite a few larger reasons. Google is your friend.05:40
odie5533I actually tried that before hunger05:40
odie5533Google works on gnome05:40
apokryphosbuz: Have always been using Hoary... but last week's dist-upgrade gave no probs.05:41
hungerodie5533: Too bad... That is not the reason then;-)05:41
apokryphosodie5533: No! Really?05:41
odie5533Hmm... I think I'll try KDE again... soon...05:42
odie5533It never stuck to me... but I did like the preferences loads better05:42
odie5533I started on KDE, a friend of mine what KDE/Gnome were, said use KDE and don't worry about gnome ;D05:43
odie5533*when asked05:43
odie5533So of course being human, I tried gnome...05:43
odie5533does it not bother you that KDE looks like a wannabe winxp?05:44
apokryphosIt's quite telling that Gnome users say that about KDE, and KDE users say that about Gnome05:44
odie5533Thats another reason I like gnome... it reminds me of linux05:44
odie5533no way05:44
hungerodie5533: I never got the hang of gnome...05:44
odie5533look at gnome and compare to windows05:45
odie5533I see few alikeness, other than the fact they both use toolbars lol05:45
odie5533Whereas KDE is arranged in the same matter for most things05:45
hungerodie5533: That the gnomes closed a bugreport of mine after just two years did not really help... the bug was still not fixed when I tried gnome the last time.05:45
odie5533what bug?05:46
apokryphosodie5533: I certainly disagree. 05:46
odie5533I disagree with you disagreeing05:46
hungerodie5533: Mixer applet works fine, when using it to open the "real" mixer I only get a window claiming that I do not have a soundcard.05:46
apokryphosodie5533: Anyhow, the issue is a matter of intent. KDE organises things the best or most suitable way they see fit. They certainly don't aim to be like Windoze, as I'm sure Gnome doesn't.05:46
odie5533real mixer?05:47
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Rubyguys... i need some help with ubi new installation... X wont start on ubuntu start, i get a command line, in whitch startX and Xinit wont give the result too... HELP? :(05:47
apokryphosIf there are overlaps with Windoze -- then fine and dandy. KDE shouldn't be in the business of doing things differently to Windoze when they think Windoze got it right.05:47
hungerodie5533: The gnome-mixer app, the one that is supposed to have all those sliders for all those fancy settings.05:47
odie5533Ruby: the command is startx05:47
buzyou can make kde look like pretty much anything else05:47
odie5533not startX05:47
hungerodie5533: Never saw it for myself of course.05:47
odie5533buz: Thats the one thing I liked05:48
Rubyi knoe...05:48
Rubyi used startx05:48
odie5533What comes up?05:48
odie5533hunger: comes up fine for me =/05:48
Rubyin xinit i get xinit: xonnection refused:unable to connect to Xserver xinit: No such proccess:server error05:49
hungerodie5533: I reported this problem in gnome 1.4 something... and it still is present in gnome 2.6 (at least for me)05:49
odie5533Gnome is less customizable... I was told though that it will be more customizable soon05:49
odie55332.10 atm05:49
hungerodie5533: Gnome used to be really customizable... till they removed almost all options.05:50
hungerodie5533: Everything is hidden away in gconf now.05:50
Rubyin startx i get xauth: /home/ruby/.xauthority not writeable, changes will be ignored xauth: error in locking authority file xinit:server error05:50
hungerodie5533: Because all those options were so confusing to users.05:50
Rebroadhi. Anyone know how to turn off the sounds KDE makes when I minimise/resize windows please?05:50
apokryphosRebroad: kcontrol05:51
odie5533Ruby: startx or sudo startx05:51
Rebroadapokryphos: hi. good name. sounds Greek. I'm in kcontrol now - but I can't find the relevant section05:51
hungerodie5533: And if you are a geek and really want to change things you can always fire up gconf-editor or whatever it is called.05:51
Ruby<Ruby>in startx i get xauth: /home/ruby/.xauthority not writeable, changes will be ignored xauth: error in locking authority file xinit:server error05:51
odie5533hunger: I am :D05:51
apokryphosRebroad: it is Greek, as I am ;-)05:52
hungerodie5533: Well, I like to not having to use a registry...05:52
odie5533I want that too... also this registry is quite small05:52
apokryphosRebroad: kcontrol > Sound and Multimedia > System Notifications05:52
odie5533*remembers windows*05:52
buzinteresting the run field in my panel doesn't react to input anymore05:53
hungerodie5533: Yeap, but only because there are so few apps that actually use it.05:53
hungerodie5533: I don't understand why ... ;-)05:53
Rebroadapokryphos: eyxaristw :)05:53
apokryphosparakalo :P05:54
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RebroadI'm trying to configure samba shares.. was struggling to use kcontrol to do it. think I'll try swat...05:58
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hungerAAAAARRRGGGGG! Gentoo SUCKS!05:59
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hungerWhere did it hide the info page I was reading yesterday?!05:59
Rebroadhunger: ok, but does it swallow?06:00
hungergentoo really is the worst distri I ever tried.... and I have tried SuSE once.06:01
Rebroadhunger: which do you prefer? ubuntu or suse?06:01
hungerRebroad: I'm waiting for kubuntu to become useable and then I'll switch there.06:02
ataxici think kubuntu is pretty neat  , just playing with it , having it next to slackware06:02
apokryphoshunger: it's not usable? ;-)06:02
hungerRebroad: Suse is the second most annoying distri right before gentoo.06:02
Rebroadhunger: what do you find unuseable about it?06:02
apokryphoshunger: what do you dislike about Gentoo, out of interest?06:03
RebroadI've heard good things about Suse, but I have kubuntu working so problem free, that I doubt I'll bother trying out Suse now06:03
hungerapokryphos: I need kdepim with crypto... the status page claims that it is not yet uploaded.06:03
Rebroadwhat is kdepim?06:03
ataxickmail and stuff06:03
apokryphoshunger: not sure if the lack of that package classifies it as being "unusable" :P. For some, sure.06:03
hungerapokryphos: a) emerge takes AGES to install stuff und is not much more up to date then debian/unstable used to be.06:03
ataxicisn't emerge compiling it all from source?06:04
apokryphoskdepim -- KDE Personal Information Management. Mail, Kontact, etc etc06:04
RebroadI don't see the point of gentoo at all06:04
apokryphoshunger: Yes, there is that :P. But the Library is disgustingly huge, so I have to give it that.06:05
hungerapokryphos: b) gentoo always comes up with some really annoying bug (like not finding and partitions after an upgrade) whenever I am just about to start to think it might not suck bigtime.06:05
hungerapokryphos: And all that to get an alledged speedup... I never noticed anything.06:06
apokryphosHaving to ermge everything is certainly reason enough for me to not use the distro.06:06
ataxicif you want ports kinda stuff, go bsd or smt..06:06
apokryphosMy brother's been trying to convert me for some time. To be honest, I do notice the speedup on Gentoo, though it's not large at all.06:06
hungerapokryphos: That might be because my box is utterly inresponsive since it is all the time compiling some stuff.06:06
Rebroadhehe. the overall speed of gentoo is slower if you take into account of the compilations you have to perform!06:07
hungerapokryphos: Finally NOTHING works out of the box in Gentoo... add that it keeps losing some of my settings all the time.06:08
hungerapokryphos: and of course the PITA of keeping the USE flags set up properly with them adding new and undocumented ones all the time (well, they claim they do not, but somehow new ones keep showing up in my system) and the trouble with all the package masking/unmasking whenever something gets broken.06:10
hungerand there is always something broken.06:11
hunger... which of course will break the emerge world so you can not have that running unsupervised.06:11
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hungerapokryphos: Sorry for all the text... but you did get me started.06:13
apokryphoshunger: no problem at all; interesting; I agree with some of it, but haven't tried it out enough to know it completely06:13
hungerapokryphos: I want to have a nice debian based distro again... kubuntu looks very promissing to me.06:14
apokryphoshunger: I like it very much. Good active devs, solid base (ubuntu/debian); overall a very nice distro.06:15
hungerapokryphos: I tried the kubuntu livecd before. looked very nice.06:16
hungerDoes ubuntu have support for crypted partitions by the way?06:16
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hitrikohey guys i'm trying to install the offical bittorrent client but when i try to open 'setup.py' it open it in openoffice... someone help plz?06:18
ataxicpython setup.py  ? 06:22
ataxictry that06:22
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ataxichitriko: on the commandline06:23
hitrikoi tryed to do it in command line and without it06:23
ataxici suggest you read README or INSTALL or something in the install dir then06:25
hitrikousage: setup.py [global_opts]  cmd1 [cmd1_opts]  [cmd2 [cmd2_opts]  ...] 06:25
hitriko   or: setup.py --help [cmd1 cmd2 ...] 06:25
hitriko   or: setup.py --help-commands06:25
hitriko   or: setup.py cmd --help06:25
hitrikothats what it gives me06:26
hitrikoataxic: i tryed reading the install files and stuff i can't find anything...06:26
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Nonphasisanyone know how to disable artsd?07:04
Nonphasisdisabling it in "sound system" doesn't work07:04
apokryphosThat's how you disable it; you'll likely have to kill it as well.07:04
Nonphasisbut the chockbox is checked again when I open the "sound system" app next time07:05
apokryphosAre you definitely hitting apply?07:05
Nonphasisand ok too07:05
apokryphosI have it disabled here with no probs.07:06
ztonzyapokryphos, evening07:06
apokryphoshi ztonzy :)07:06
Nonphasiswhen I click "apply", I get "restarting sound system"07:07
NonphasisI'm not running kubuntu proper, but rather ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop package07:07
apokryphosthat is proper enough ;-)07:07
apokryphosso after you "Apply" the box is rechecked?07:08
NonphasisI'd had hoped they would have disabled artsd in kubuntu and used normal Ubuntu stuff for sound shit07:08
Nonphasisno, after apply and ok07:08
apokryphosNah; aRts is KDE.07:08
apokryphos? There is no ok. I guess you mean close...07:08
Nonphasisbut rhythmbox + other ubuntu apps don't like it07:09
Nonphasisno, there is ok here07:09
apokryphosSure. aRts is *for* KDE.07:09
Nonphasisarts hogs alsa 07:09
Nonphasisso that it's reserved when I use rhythmox07:09
apokryphosnot an amaroK-fan?07:10
Nonphasisnever tried amarok07:11
NonphasisI'll give it a spin now07:11
apokryphosbut re: the problem, in all honesty I don't know. Something is certainly going wrong if you're unchecking the box and it's rechecking itself.07:11
apokryphosNonphasis: it is *very* good. :)07:11
Nonphasisyeah, the box used to work with older kde versions07:11
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apokryphosouch. Composite stuff from kcontrol is very sweet07:18
NonphasisI suppose amark can't use gstreamer?07:19
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apokryphosSure it can; it's the default, too.07:20
Nonphasisit detected no engine07:21
Nonphasis"Configure engine" only has empty entries07:21
apokryphosNonphasis: what does dpkg -l | grep amarok give?07:21
Nonphasisgotta try killall artsd07:21
apokryphosI think that'll only restart it; not sure though.07:21
Nonphasisii  amarok         1.2.1-0ubuntu5 versatile and easy to use audio player for K07:21
Nonphasisii  amarok-arts    1.2.1-0ubuntu5 aRts engine for the amaroK audio player07:21
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apokryphosYeah; install the other engines from the repos.07:22
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Nonphasisapokryphos, trying amarok now. Wow :)07:26
apokryphosNonphasis: Cool. :) Yup, I like it very much.07:27
Nonphasiscan it do net radio?07:27
apokryphosNonphasis: No idea; check their site: www.amarok.kde.org07:27
buzNonphasis: kaffeine can do for sure07:29
ztonzyapokryphos, btw...I bought a webcam the other day...today I finally found a driver and it worked straight away for linux !07:30
ztonzyguess I am happy :D07:30
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Nonphasishmm, kaffeine... I suppose it's better than noatun?07:32
NonphasisI've been using totem-xine in the past...07:32
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apokryphosztonzy: Woo! Great stuff. :)07:34
apokryphosztonzy: what one, out of interest?07:34
ztonzyapokryphos, yupp! and same quality as in windows XP07:34
ztonzyCreative Webcam NX Pro07:34
ztonzyvery cheap too07:34
ztonzyhttp://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html  <---- those drivers07:35
Roeyapokryphos:  how do I get grub going on a drive's mbr?07:35
apokryphosVery cool looking one, too07:35
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ztonzyapokryphos, you mean the cam ?07:35
apokryphosRoey: Sorry, I have no idea; no real knowledge of GRUB.07:36
ztonzylooks nice yes...but too light in weight07:36
ztonzyapokryphos, it should have heavier stand07:36
NonphasisRoey, install it to /dev/hda instead of /dev/hda107:36
NonphasisRoey, (modify if appropriate)07:37
buzkaffeine is more like a kde interface to xine than a real mp3 player07:37
apokryphosOh, master boot record. Heh, I blanked out there.07:37
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apokryphosztonzy: and the quality is good, then?07:38
ztonzyapokryphos, cam ?  indeed for that price07:38
ztonzythey have it on lower price here now...dunno where you live07:38
apokryphosLondon :P07:38
ztonzyapokryphos, but same quality as in XP07:38
buzcan it do 640*480 with 30fps?07:38
ztonzyapokryphos, I wille come visit !07:39
ztonzybuga, yes07:39
ztonzybuz, upps...yes07:39
apokryphosztonzy: anytime ;)07:39
buzmhh might buy myself one of these some time. they've gotten very cheap. not really much use but toys are always nice07:40
ztonzyand grab 1024x768 still images 16-bit07:40
buz16bit? yikes07:41
ztonzyand a simple mic comes with it07:41
buzbut i got a proper 4mp cam anyway07:41
ztonzybuz, but that's only for stills07:41
ztonzynot live feed07:41
apokryphosOur feeble one is only 2mp; will need to look around for a better one soon.07:41
buz1024*768 would be nearly hdtv ;-)07:41
buzi rarely ever use mine07:41
buzwas one of those items i had to have but for what...07:41
apokryphosztonzy: yes, that webcam seems very cheap on ebay. Under 20 -- very cheap.07:42
ztonzymanual DOF 15 cm (6 inches) to infinity07:42
apokryphosbuz: why, for taking random images, of course ;-). Images of friends/events/situations. Always good to have handy07:42
ztonzyapokryphos, :)07:43
buzi'm too lazy to carry mine with me07:43
ztonzyand Field-of-View:  40 degrees +/- 5% (horisontal)07:43
buzi have a camera phone and don't use the cam, either07:43
apokryphosI'd use mine more if it would hold more memory. I can only have around 40/50 images. Apart from that, it's pretty good; bluetooth is handy.07:44
buzi have 128mb stick in it07:44
buzwhy i don't really know ;-)07:44
buzprobably because it came with it LOL07:44
buzcould also use it as mp3 player but the ipod is handier for that07:44
buzand the headphones truly suck07:45
apokryphosbuz: waiting for mine to come today :D07:45
buzbatteries suck donkey ass tho07:45
buzi wouldn't buy it again for that reason07:45
ztonzyI bought a Fuji Finepix A340...it is okey...but I regret the buy, cause I want one with more features and more settings and so....but it has to do for now07:45
buzbesides, WTF really needs 30gb of mp3 with him07:45
apokryphoswhich means it'll come tomorrow. :(07:45
ztonzylittle expensive memorytype: xD07:45
buzas long as you don't buy a sony cam ;-)07:46
apokryphosor an Olympus one 07:46
ztonzyoh, I was almost getting such one07:46
ztonzywhy not olympus ?07:46
buzi can't stand sony07:46
buzthey do decent phones but else i hate the company07:47
buzit's like the MS of consumer electronics07:47
buzalways need their own, overpriced crap07:47
apokryphosztonzy: well, I'm stereotyping here :P. Our one isn't too good; though it's a very old one.07:47
ztonzyheh....they wouldnt be making that good phones if it werent for Ericsson ;)07:47
buzwell, ericsson didn't really make any good phones before they merged07:47
apokryphosMine's an Ericsson ;)07:48
buzmy brother had a t29i break 4 times in 8 months07:48
ztonzybuz, the technology was their side...and not design/ui07:48
buzwell starting with t68 they overtook nokia IMHO07:48
buznokia only more sells very weird phones07:49
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buzanother toy that's not really needed, there07:49
ztonzyI have two old nokia that's crap...they started to get weak..so I bought a Siemens M50...and that one too now seems to start to get strange errors...seems they make phones only to last 2 years!07:49
buz2 years is pretty long actually. most phones survive about the warranty period then break ;-)07:49
buzbut siemens makes crappy phones anyway07:49
buzvery very weird ui07:50
apokryphosbuga: t68 is me. Though, new Nokias seem far too powerful these days07:50
ztonzybuz, maybe...so you mean my phone is over its time :p ?07:50
apokryphos2mp cameras on the phones! Heh.07:50
ztonzybuz, you do get used to the ui07:50
buzyou've got a free ride  for 9months ;-)07:50
buzapokryphos: samsung has a SEVEN mp phone in korea07:50
ztonzybuz, so I read!07:50
buzWTF needs that,. like it's any good with that small lens07:50
buzbut the asians are pretty crazy about that stuff anyhow07:51
apokryphosGoing to Japan'll just show you what things'll be out here in a few years time07:51
buzmhh i hope not07:52
buztechnology is good, but their lifestyle i wouldnt want07:52
apokryphosbuz: I meant technology-wise ;-)07:52
buzfriend of mine was recently there07:53
buzgot 128k flat rate wireless for 20$ a month07:53
buzand in switzerland i'm supposed to pay 7E per mb traffic over gprs WTF07:53
buzip over GSM if you want07:54
buzdoes something like 64K or so07:54
buzanyway, i'll be gone07:55
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ztonzywanna show you something if it is okey..played a bit with animation earlier today...just using the bonerigg07:57
ztonzyjust a quick test to warm up old knowledge :)07:57
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apokryphosgonna try it now 07:58
apokryphosHm, I can't see anything. This kcontrol x composite stuff might be interfering; hold on.07:59
ztonzyapokryphos, my file ?08:00
apokryphosCoool. Very lifelike 08:00
amiroffguys, it seems like there are a bunch of KDE updates today, how can I see the changelog?08:00
apokryphosamiroff: don't update :P. There's a few probs.08:01
ztonzyapokryphos, hehe thanks...will work more on it...maybe I use it on a character later...sorry for the "jump" at the end...dont know why it does it like that08:01
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apokryphosztonzy: Reminds me of a "chocobo". They were big-birds in a game I played not so long ago08:01
amiroffapokryphos: joking right? :)08:01
ztonzyapokryphos, haha...small long legs ?08:01
apokryphosamiroff: no, serious. Problems with it not remembering the kde settings. Nothing critical, but not a good idea to update.08:02
apokryphosztonzy: http://images.google.com/images?q=chocobos&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search has a few good pics08:02
amiroffapokryphos: ok, and what to not update? kdelibs ? maybe I should update my kdepim?08:03
apokryphosYeah, probably avoid core stuff like that. I haven't had any problems with kdepim, so it should be fine to do just that, as long as it doesn't pull in the other stuff..08:04
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ztonzyapokryphos, aah I see08:10
apokryphosztonzy: that's all from blender, I guess?08:11
ztonzyapokryphos, the animation I did?  yes :)08:11
apokryphosNice; many capabilities.08:12
ztonzysure...there's many people that doesn't know how powerful blender really are...and it is getting better and better08:12
ztonzythe animation system will get a overhaul...dunno when it will happen...right now they are working hard to end the transform part inside blender...cleaner and more up to date and modern, with widgets too! :)08:13
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Sopurkan iemand me helpen ?08:43
[fab] Sopur: speak english08:46
[fab] please :)08:46
Sopuri dont typ english               :(08:47
SopurKmail is not in my menu ???????????08:48
[fab] Sopur: Kontact 08:48
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[fab] anyway ... I have to go now08:49
[fab] Sopur: tip .. kijk eens op #kde-nl voor nederlanders die KDE gebruiken08:50
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Slikehello, i still can't get online (wireless) with kubuntu...i'm using a centrino with ipw2100, the card works correctly, kwifimanager sees the network, but I don't get an ip....08:50
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annaHello, I believe I found a kdm bug, can you confirm?08:58
annaSince kdm has lowered startup priority, after bootup, I have too little colors, looks like 25608:59
annaWhen I move the link to S13kdm to S21kdm this went away09:00
annaI suspect either powernowd or acpid must run before kdm09:00
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haggaianna: I don't think it could be either of those two that causes the problem.  At least, I can't think of any reason why one of those should cause it09:24
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haggaianna: but I have heard of similar problems before, so its not just your system that has this09:25
hitrikohey guys i'm trying to install the offical bittorrent client and for some reason it's not working09:25
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hitrikosomeone help me plz09:25
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LikesHisLunchHi ... i'm running KDE 3.4 on Ubuntu Hoary... how does Kcontrol populate itself with modules - because mine is empty except for "Internet & Network", and that itself is empty.09:57
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apokryphosLikesHisLunch: I think it's the kdelibs-data package. I had that problem some time ago09:58
LikesHisLunchapokryphos: interesting.... i'll try reinstalling that...09:59
LikesHisLunchhmm ... didn't do much10:01
LikesHisLunchdoes anyone know what directory KControl gets its modules from?10:02
apokryphosIt didn't work for me too. I ended up having to reinstall my whole KDE.10:02
apokryphosdid this come from a fresh install of kde? Recent?10:02
LikesHisLunchyeah -- i've reinstalled the whole of KDE two or three times now10:03
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LikesHisLunchit used to work10:03
apokryphosLikesHisLunch: I can only recommend removing kdelibs completely, and then reinstalling if you haven't tried it already. (that's what I had to do).10:04
apokryphosnot just the "reinstall" that synaptic provides. Problem is it'll remove all your KDE packages10:04
LikesHisLunchyeah ... as i say i already tried reinstalling kde (actually i did the same too with most of gnome) so not sure what i'm doing wrong...10:06
apokryphosAlso, could you try to see if you run kdesu kcontrol... see if that brings them up?10:07
LikesHisLunchapokryphos: yes - root kcontrol seems to be working10:08
apokryphosit's not really root's kcontrol, it's yours of course10:08
apokryphos(kdesu uses sudo)10:08
LikesHisLunchbefore reinstalling KDE i tried deleting my home .kde stuff but that didn't fix it...10:08
LikesHisLunchoh i see10:08
LikesHisLunchso is this really a permissions problem?10:09
apokryphosPerhaps. Try seeing if it's there with a new user as sredna suggests.10:09
LikesHisLunchapokryphos: will try... but will have to log off here ... see you later :)10:10
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LikesHisLunchapokryphos: hi same problem with a new user :(10:16
apokryphosOk, I think it's best that you compile a bug report on buzgilla.ubuntu.com10:19
apokryphosTo clarify, you have definitely tried (i) completely removing KDE, and then (ii) installing kde stuff.10:19
LikesHisLunchyep ... that's definitely been done10:19
apokryphosand you're only using the main repositories here for your installation?10:20
LikesHisLunchfor KDE ... yes10:20
LikesHisLunchbut it's possible that the system could be misconfigured in some other way10:20
apokryphosfirst line of dpkg -l | grep kdelibs?10:20
LikesHisLunchii  kdelibs        3.4.0-0ubuntu3 KDE core libraries metapackage10:21
annahaggai: thanks for the response10:21
annahaggai: But I can reproduce it at least10:22
LikesHisLunchi was trying to find out exactly what .desktop files KControl uses to populate itself with modules, to see if there's anything odd about them on my installation10:23
apokryphosthe stuff is there; your sudo can see it. It just can't access it for some reason.10:24
LikesHisLunchyes... which makes me wonder whether the .desktop files in question have the wrong permissions10:25
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saifhello all10:28
saifdoes any1 know of a program for ubuntu that works like dvd decrupter for windows??10:28
saifremoves all region protection and any kind of protection for dvd ripping?10:28
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apokryphosLikesHisLunch: might wanna see if any stuff from http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19648 helps10:34
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ztonzyapokryphos, do you know if Kopete ever will get webcam capabilities ?11:10
apokryphosztonzy: They've suggested that they plan on implementing it, but that it's a feature that will take quite some time; long in the future apparently. I believe the quote from them was "don't hold your breath". ;-)11:13
ztonzyapokryphos, heh11:16
ztonzyapokryphos, I am trying to see if it will work with gaim-vv11:16
ztonzyall compiled and installed okey...but I am in a chat now so I cant just test it11:16
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apokryphosoh. Have Gaim implemented it? I heard talk, but I don't really know of anything.11:17
ztonzyapokryphos, no...it is another branch of gaim, seperate11:18
ztonzylast time I tried it didnt work too good...maybe progress now, who knows ?11:24
apokryphosYup; I might give it a trial run tomorrow11:26
ztonzyapokryphos, got a cam ;) ?11:28
apokryphosWell, yeah. Haven't tried it on Ubuntu (or my previous distro, Fedora, for that matter). Will have to shake the dust off it and get it out11:28
ztonzywhat model ?11:29
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apokryphosztonzy: oh, Logitech11:34
ztonzyyah...but model? old ?11:35
apokryphosOld = yes ;)11:36
apokryphosno idea of the actual model name; showed you a pic last time on google images, remember/11:36
apokryphoshere it is: http://images.techsunny.com/www.techsunny.com/Logitech-QuickCam-B.jpg11:37
ztonzyI am sure it *will* work!11:39
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ztonzyactually...I even think the newest kernels have built in support for that model ;)11:40
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LeeJunFanman - what's the point of the kde xorg composite effects if my damn Athlon 64 3400 can't handle em? :)11:54
chavoLeeJunFan, what video card?11:55
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LeeJunFanradeon 970011:55
chavothey run great here. I have an XP 1800+ and a geForce 411:55
chavoah ATI11:55
LeeJunFanhuh, prolly don't have fglrx right.11:55
chavono it's not the glx driver.11:56
LeeJunFanI wouldn't think so. But jeez :) maybe the fglrx driver will do better even though it's not really a GL problem.11:57
apokryphosit's very very nice with nvidia acceleration, for the record. :)11:57
pvfglrx does not afaik have composite acceleration11:57
LeeJunFanapokryphos: shut up - I just spent $2000 on this lappy :)11:57
apokryphosouch ;). Sounds very nice by the sound of the setup though11:58
LeeJunFanapokryphos: yeah it's nice. Does all the windows game playing fine. Unfortunately I have this feeling of nausea every time I boot windows so even though I want to play a game I avoid it because I hve to boot win.11:59
apokryphosThat's a good thing 8)12:00

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