[12:11] <silver-> hi, i upgraded from ubuntu with apt-get, and it's really crashy, is that normal?
[12:12] <Riddell> silver-: nope
[12:13] <silver-> :(
[12:21] <Rebroad> silver: "from" ubuntu? to what?
[12:21] <geneo93> has anyone had any luck with kppp
[12:21] <Rebroad> ah. kubuntu. sorry
[12:21] <Rebroad> i'm a bit slow this evening
[12:23] <geneo93> it connects but the handsake dont go
[12:24] <elsewhere_> are there any gtk themes with transparency and drop shadows?
[12:25] <Rebroad> you need to enable composites in xorg.conf to get that
[12:25] <Rebroad> it's not theme based
[12:25] <elsewhere_> i see
[12:26] <elsewhere_> for basic transparency?
[12:27] <Rebroad> what do you mean "basic"?
[12:28] <elsewhere_> everything transparent, not just windows in the background
[12:28] <Rebroad> it's configurable from the KDE control panel
[12:28] <Rebroad> for all themes
[12:28] <elsewhere_> i don't use KDE
[12:28] <elsewhere_> i use fluxbox with gtk themes
[12:29] <Telep_> ermm, well you're kind of in the wrong channel ;)
[12:29] <Telep_> #kubuntu is for Ubuntu with KDE
[12:29] <elsewhere_> hmm?
[12:29] <elsewhere_> i see
[12:29] <Rebroad> you want #ubuntu i think..
[12:36] <randy> anyone got flash player working in amd64
[12:38] <lytefyre> ?
[12:38] <lytefyre> does anyone know how to set up apache in kubuntu ?.
[12:39] <Riddell> lytefyre: apt-get install apache
[12:39] <lytefyre> install via knypatic ?
[12:40] <lytefyre> ive g apache2
[12:40] <lytefyre> but not able to set it up 
[12:43] <lytefyre> apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 ..anything i miss ??
[12:43] <lytefyre> apt-get cannnot find package apache
[12:44] <Rebroad> use synaptic and search for apache
[12:45] <lytefyre> Rebroad: do u mean kynaptic ?
[12:45] <chavo> lytefyre, apt-get install synaptic
[12:46] <lytefyre> chavo : apt-get says no installation candidate
[12:46] <lytefyre> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:49] <silver-> translucency and shadows are really slow, even with an nvidia 6600GT and renderaccel on. can anyone help me?
[01:13] <lytefyre> anyone know where to find the executable apache2 ??
[01:14] <lytefyre> in the preview release that is 
[01:15] <Riddell> lytefyre: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/  is your friend
[01:18] <brainkilla> hey
[01:18] <brainkilla> any kubuntu devs in here?
[01:19] <brainkilla> coz I got a few problems I would like to discuss ;)
[01:20] <brainkilla> Riddell, I suppose you're the one ;)
[01:21] <Riddell> that'll be me
[01:21] <lytefyre> Riddell : I have installed apache through kynaptic and apache2ctl still complains ..any ideas ?
[01:21] <brainkilla> first and foremost, pppd and kernel are not doing their job correctly
[01:22] <brainkilla> I was unable to connect thru modem, until I installed ubuntu warty's kernel
[01:22] <Riddell> lytefyre, brainkilla: these are both general ubuntu issues, you would be better trying #ubuntu or ubuntu-users mailing list
[01:23] <Riddell> lytefyre: but I'd try  /etc/init.d/apache2 
[01:23] <brainkilla> sorry, I realised that you guys were part of the ubuntu team...
[01:23] <Riddell> brainkilla: interesting though, I've heard a few complaints about kppp, now I can just blame ubuntu
[01:23] <brainkilla> it's ubuntu definetly...
[01:24] <brainkilla> and some smartass over there put lt_modem and lt_serial in the kernel...
[01:24] <lytefyre> thanks Riddell will try there !
[01:24] <brainkilla> which is major BS imho
[01:24] <brainkilla> I have a Lucent soft modem btw
[01:25] <brainkilla> warty kernel, my own modules and kppp brought me here ;)
[01:25] <brainkilla> so it's not kppp
[01:26] <Locutus1234> Can warty be upgraded to kubuntu?
[01:27] <apokryphos> Locutus1234: you can do warty -> ubu hoary -> kubuntu, yes. 
[01:27] <apokryphos> Locutus1234: the only current available kde version in Warty is 3.2, however. In hoary 3.4 is out. Please see: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[01:28] <Locutus1234> Do you recommend doing the upgrade from synaptico or through apt?
[01:28] <apokryphos> Locutus1234: There's no difference; they're the same thing. Synaptic is the GUI front-end of apt. 
[01:28] <apokryphos> quicker on command-line though
[01:56] <smouche> Is anyone having a problem with konqueror crashing frequently, especially when viewing images?
[01:57] <smouche> I'm using amd64, 500 mb ram
[02:01] <lytefyre> are there other programs beside apache that i can use to set up a web server ??
[02:11] <membreya> hmmm, I've lost all my icons on my bottom bar :\
[02:16] <apokryphos> membreya: what buttons? Shortcut to applications?
[02:17] <membreya> apokryphos: all of them, the kde menu, shortcuts..my system tray
[02:17] <silver> woohoo
[02:17] <membreya> I was playing with the kernel and then it said it couldn't load applet, so I reloaded my old kernel and now the menus are gone :\
[02:17] <apokryphos> membreya: is the whole panel gone, or is the panel (kicker) there with all those missing?
[02:18] <membreya> the panel is still there, just blank (except for my shortcut to thunderbird)
[02:19] <apokryphos> Anything under ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker?
[02:20] <membreya> under ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker .. I have nothing :| there are other apps there..just not kicker
[02:20] <apokryphos> eek
[02:21] <membreya> ya :\
[02:21] <membreya> so what should I do ?
[02:22] <apokryphos> I really don't know why kernel problem would kill your kicker. Do you wanna try dist-upgrading?
[02:22] <membreya> it's only installing kmail, gnupg agent, libpth2 and pinentry-qt
[02:22] <membreya> :\
[02:22] <apokryphos> if you've got a late version, then it might be worth trying to reinstall kdelibs/base. I'm clutching at straws here though... I recommend asking in #kde.
[02:24] <apokryphos> I don't actually think the folder is vital or anything
[02:24] <apokryphos> it really essentially contains only the shortcuts to apps
[02:25] <membreya> but .. I have no menu! :P lol
[02:26] <apokryphos> Try adding it
[02:26] <apokryphos> Right Click on kicker
[02:26] <apokryphos> Add to Panel
[02:28] <membreya> looks ugly, getting help in #kde..they're saying it's nothing to do with kicker
[02:28] <apokryphos> Kicker is the whole bottom panel... they're saying it's not to do with that folder, sure. :)
[02:28] <apokryphos> Like I said, it was only for shortcut to apps etc.
[02:29] <apokryphos> try adding them.. that work?
[02:30] <smouche> Does anyone know why amarok won't play my network files?  It seems to load them, but won't play
[02:35] <brainkilla> talking about amarok, it gives me really choppy sound...
[02:35] <brainkilla> juk also...
[03:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> I DIDN'T change anything, and all of a sudden my multi-media shortcuts work.
[03:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> weird.
[03:24] <hayden> how can i install X11 cursor themes?
[03:25] <incubii> dunno, are their packages for them ?
[03:25] <hayden> no
[03:25] <incubii> got me stuffed, ive never needed to install anythign that wasnt from the repositories
[03:26] <hayden> mm
[03:26] <hayden> i know in gnome u could use gcursors but im not sure about in kde
[03:27] <incubii> http://wiki.tryphon.org/How_to_install_X11_cursors
[03:30] <incubii> hope that helps
[03:32] <hayden> yep
[03:33] <incubii> trying to still fixed the fucked xserver of mine
[03:33] <incubii> if i restart it at 24bit its fine but on bootup its not, all multicolored
[03:33] <incubii> tried modelines to no avail
[03:33] <incubii> really shitting me off
[03:53] <Bicchi> so other than kubuntu using kde is there a difference from installing ubuntu first and then kde?
[03:55] <incubii> dont really think so
[03:55] <incubii> but id say you would have both gnome and kde that way
[03:56] <Bicchi> i thought that the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu was having kde vs gnome
[04:01] <membreya> how do you control the login/logoff sounds in kde? :\
[04:08] <bhsx> very nice
[04:09] <bhsx> kubuntu doesn't install the nvidia drivers?
[04:12] <bhsx> is there a easy way to install from the live cd, or do I have to download the other .iso?
[04:12] <chavo> bhsx, there's a way to do it, but I recommend the install iso
[04:13] <bhsx> k....   you mean other than just using dd?  ;)
[04:13] <chavo> actually I used rsync
[04:13] <bhsx> and i'll just be able to apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade??
[04:14] <bhsx> when it's out of beta, that is
[04:15] <bhsx2> ok, downloading it now
[04:16] <bhsx2> any tips/tricks to bring it up to speed as far as mplayer/codecs and such is concerned?  or nvidia driver support?
[04:16] <bhsx2> java isn't installed is it?
[04:21] <hayden> how can i make an icon of a samba share appear on the desktop when i mount a samba share?
[04:25] <chavo> hayden, go to Control Center -> Desktop -> Behaviour
[04:25] <chavo> click on the device icons tab
[04:25] <chavo> then show device icons
[04:26] <hayden> ok thanks
[04:29] <hayden> would that show a mounted share if i use this to mount it, sudo mount //host/share /home/mnt/share -t smbfs -o umask=0 ?
[04:29] <chavo> hayden, I believe it has to be in /etc/fstab
[04:29] <hayden> ok thats what i thought
[04:29] <hayden> because this is my laptop, im not always on my home network
[04:29] <hayden> so i dont always want to try to mount the shares
[04:33] <chavo> yeah just tried it here, commented out the samba shares in fstab and the icons went away
[04:37] <hayden> ok
[04:54] <Roey> hi
[04:54] <Roey> does LILO have a problem booting amd64 kernels or something??
[04:55] <Roey> I've tried three different kernels on three different drives and they all give the same PANIC message.
[05:10] <hayden> how do i install flash player for konqueror?
[05:11] <Roey> hi smouche
[05:11] <Roey> smouche: does lilo have some sort of problem loading amd64 kernels??
[05:12] <Roey> grub worked fine as installed -- but the moment after I install lilo on the MBR, reboot, and selec the kernel, it spits out a kernel panic
[05:14] <smouche> Hi Roey
[05:14] <smouche> Sorry, I never used lilo
[05:15] <Roey> ok
[05:15] <Roey> no one ever uses lilo eh?
[05:15] <Roey> how about this
[05:15] <Roey> smouche: can grub use / if it is raid1 ??
[05:15] <Roey> smouche: and how do I install grub on a disk with grub-install?
[05:15] <Roey> (i.e. rewrite it over lilo)
[05:16] <smouche> heh, got me again, Roey.  I don't use raid1.  I am one primitive damn non-techie
[05:16] <Roey> it's fine..
[05:16] <Roey> how do youjust install grub?
[05:17] <hayden> how do i install flash player for konqueror??
[05:20] <smouche> how do we entice (k)ubuntu experts, devs in here??  
[05:20] <smouche> heh heh
[05:20] <smouche> kubuntu seems a little less active than plain old #ubuntu
[05:21] <alm> yeah
[05:22] <membreya> 45 people vs 357, of course it's less active :P
[05:23] <smouche> Well, obviously kubuntu folks just don't have issues ... ;-)
[05:23] <membreya> :P 
[05:24] <smouche> every time I dist-upgrade, I keep hoping that konqueror will magically cease crashing constantly.  
[05:24] <smouche> not pleased with this
[05:25] <membreya> what's wrong with konqueror ?
[05:26] <smouche> I don't know, it's crashing very frequently, especially when viewing any kind of image file
[05:26] <membreya> hmmm, mines going psychotic when I click links, but apart from that 
[05:28] <smouche> I seem to be ok with web-browsing; it's the file browser that's screwed
[05:28] <smouche> I need to check for bug reports on this, or file one.
[05:47] <bradh> Hmm, is there somewhere I can rsync from to fix my broken .iso?
[06:11] <SuperL4g> How goes it, gentlemen?
[06:24] <dimma1> i am thinking about getting an x800 ati all-in-wonder... any experience with them in here?
[06:25] <dimma1> i am afraid of the noise and heat involved with high performance nvidia cards... so i thought now would be a good time to switch
[06:26] <SuperL4g> dimma1: it has been my experience that ATIs aren't worth the hassle it takes to get them configured
[06:27] <dimma1> damn... recommend a high performance nvidia card that isn't an asshole?
[06:28] <SuperL4g> dimma1: I have a GeForce FX 5200 in my Gentoo box.
[06:28] <SuperL4g> It rocks.
[06:28] <SuperL4g> 128MB
[06:28] <SuperL4g> dual head
[06:28] <dimma1> i am using one of those right now
[06:29] <SuperL4g> same card?
[06:29] <dimma1> no dvi out on mine
[06:29] <SuperL4g> nor mine
[06:29] <dimma1> i would like dvi for my lcd display
[06:32] <SuperL4g> I'd go for one of the higher-end models then
[06:32] <SuperL4g> which one, exactly, I'm not sure because this is the best video card I've owned
[06:33] <SuperL4g> haven't got any newer model yet
[06:43] <SuperL4g> can you do a bootsplash with yaboot?
[06:43] <dimma1> haven't tried
[08:15] <ka_ka> whats the name of the windows-switcher on  the panel?
[08:17] <dimma1> well... a 38 second window to answer that one
[08:17] <dimma1> it has a name?
[08:28] <delltony> after doing a upgrade i get the following error on kde startup can not load kde panel
[08:28] <delltony> any suggestions?
[08:38] <delltony> any reason why the taskbar (panel) doesn't work anymore?
[09:35] <delltony> hi anyone around ?
[09:35] <delltony> i ask cause its late 
[09:50] <Imsdlea> hello.. how do you edit the sources.list
[09:50] <delltony> sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:52] <delltony> work?
[09:54] <Imsdlea> YES thank you
[09:54] <Imsdlea> i am trying to change my desktop to KDE? as i have an old 500mhz computer and it struggles a little.. i have 512mb of ram in it 
[09:54] <Imsdlea> but its still a little slow
[09:55] <delltony> i don't recommend kde on a slow system
[09:55] <delltony> but others may have a different view
[09:55] <Imsdlea> really
[09:55] <Imsdlea> oh
[09:55] <delltony> really kde is for higher end pcs
[09:55] <delltony> if you have a older pc id personally do the following
[09:55] <delltony> id install fluxbox
[09:56] <delltony> which is a wm instead of a dm
[09:57] <delltony> flux is very minimal but you can customize it to look really cool with gtdesklets and idesklets (i think thats the one ofr icons) and so forth
[09:57] <delltony> i use it on my p3 450
[09:57] <delltony> and it runs great
[09:58] <Imsdlea> excuss my ignorance but is it a total package?
[09:58] <delltony> what flux?
[09:58] <delltony> flux is a window manager
[09:58] <delltony> i'm sure your familar with good ol winblows, if so ill use the reference
[09:58] <delltony> fluxbox is like windows 3.1
[09:58] <delltony> kde is like xp
[09:59] <delltony> fluxbox uses more of the shell witha  gui for things like launchers and all
[09:59] <delltony> kde does to the most part all the work for you
[09:59] <delltony> someone can correct me if i'm wrong but thats how i see it
[09:59] <hayden> thats right
[10:00] <Imsdlea> so i can run flux on a ubuntu system
[10:00] <Imsdlea> ?
[10:00] <delltony> sure
[10:00] <Imsdlea> ok
[10:00] <Imsdlea> how do i change
[10:00] <delltony> sudo apt-get install fluxbox  
[10:00] <delltony> iirc
[10:00] <delltony> do a apt-cache search fluxbox
[10:00] <delltony> for the actual package name
[10:01] <delltony> or look in synaptic
[10:01] <delltony> now when you load up flux you know that thing called session
[10:01] <delltony> on ubuntu
[10:01] <delltony> like when you are at the login screen?
[10:01] <delltony> you need to change it to fluxbox instead of gnome or kde
[10:01] <Imsdlea> yes
[10:02] <delltony> it will then ask you if you want it as the default or whatever you can hit yes
[10:03] <Imsdlea> ok
[10:03] <hayden> does anyone use Silver or Gold XCursors 3D?
[10:03] <delltony> i don't
[10:03] <hayden> hmm
[10:03] <delltony> and hey hayden i have a question for you
[10:03] <hayden> yea
[10:03] <delltony> right click on the gear on 3.4 (have you upgraded as in the last few mins?
[10:04] <delltony> if so right click on the gear and tell me if menu editor works
[10:04] <delltony> mine is borked
[10:04] <hayden> i havent upgraded
[10:04] <delltony> but i can add menu by right clickin on a menu item off the menu
[10:04] <hayden> i reinstalled kubuntu from the preview release disc
[10:04] <delltony> oh ok
[10:05] <delltony> i just did a dist-upgrade
[10:05] <Imsdlea> should i set my universals to hoary or warty for fluxbox?
[10:05] <hayden> i cant get to the menu editor from right clicking on the K
[10:05] <hayden> but i can if i right click on something inside the K menu
[10:05] <hayden> lmsdlea: have u got ubuntu installed already?
[10:06] <delltony> same here
[10:06] <delltony> thats the issue i'm having
[10:06] <delltony> so its not just me thats good to know
[10:06] <Imsdlea> yes im running ubunty now.. installed it on my wife's pc after i couldn't keep windows clean.. been great for 3 months with no changes! my digital camera even plugged and played! i am sold.. 
[10:07] <hayden> ok
[10:07] <delltony> Imsdlea, what version warty or hoary?
[10:07] <hayden> did u install from the preview release disc of ubuntu?
[10:07] <hayden> ubuntu hoary*
[10:07] <delltony> then  you want hoary repositories
[10:07] <delltony> has array 7 came out yet?
[10:08] <hayden> im not sure
[10:08] <Imsdlea> i have no idea.. how do i check.... i have installed itfrom the install version months ago and done regular updates
[10:08] <delltony> uname -a
[10:08] <delltony> well actually sorry 
[10:08] <delltony> thats nto correct
[10:08] <Imsdlea>  UTC 2004 i586 GNU/Linux 
[10:08] <Imsdlea> ????????????????
[10:09] <hayden> nah that doesnt tell ya
[10:09] <delltony> yeah that was incorrect
[10:09] <delltony> i don't know what hte command is to tell what version of ubuntu your using
[10:09] <hunger_> Is there any estimation yet when the kdepim will be uploaded?
[10:10] <delltony> hmm i figured it would be in /etc/motd but its not
[10:10] <hayden> lmsdlea: im not sure how to check thru a terminal, but u can type this 'sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list' and see read the first line
[10:11] <delltony> type cat /etc/issue
[10:11] <Imsdlea> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / 
[10:11] <hayden> yea
[10:11] <delltony> your using warty
[10:11] <delltony> not hoary
[10:11] <delltony> so use warty repositories
[10:11] <hayden> ya
[10:11] <delltony> and preview?
[10:12] <delltony> on warty?
[10:12] <delltony> damn thats olddddddddddddddd
[10:12] <hayden> ya
[10:13] <Imsdlea> ?
[10:13] <delltony> i know dist-upgrade is suppose to upgrade you to hoary
[10:13] <delltony> but
[10:13] <delltony> i wouldn't recommend it from personal experience
[10:13] <delltony> cause if yo have used backports 
[10:13] <delltony> and other unofficial sources
[10:14] <delltony> it will bork you
[10:14] <delltony> been there done that
[10:14] <delltony> you end up having dependency issues
[10:14] <hunger> delltony: You can't have apt reinstall everything just to make sure?
[10:14] <Imsdlea> damn dail up 55mb.. might have to take it into work
[10:14] <delltony> i haven't tried that
[10:15] <delltony> i just gave up after 4 tries of upgrading
[10:15] <delltony> i just did a full clean install of hoary
[10:15] <delltony> i even tried it with a fresh copy of warty clean installed then ran dist-upgrade didn't work
[10:15] <delltony> had broken packages and x would not start
[10:15] <hunger> delltony: Outch, that is really bad.
[10:16] <delltony> yeah its noted all thru bugzilla
[10:16] <delltony> or was 
[10:16] <hunger> delltony: Never saw that with a vanilla debian....
[10:16] <Imsdlea> how can you cancel certain downloads on  dist-upgrade i don't need codecs 
[10:16] <delltony> Imsdlea, as i stated i woldn't recommend dist-upgrade
[10:16] <delltony> cause i can almost be certain from warty to hoary it will bork it
[10:17] <delltony> but things may have changed from array 5 to preview
[10:17] <hunger> Hmmm.... maybe I should stick with debian then:-)
[10:17] <delltony> it didn't work on array 5 4 tims for me
[10:17] <hayden> plus you'll probably download as much upgrading as you would if u just downloaded the preview release iso
[10:17] <delltony> well once its updated and working its fine
[10:17] <hunger> I do not want to reinstall once I got a distro I like.
[10:17] <delltony> well here is a hint
[10:18] <delltony> HOARY IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT
[10:18] <delltony> so DON'T dist-upgrade to it
[10:18] <delltony> until its released
[10:18] <delltony> just a personal opinion
[10:18] <delltony> unless your like me and willing to risk it
[10:19] <delltony> the major issue i think with upgrading is the fact your going from xfree86config to xorg
[10:19] <delltony> at least thats what i believe borked my deal
[10:19] <delltony> not certain
[10:19] <hunger> delltony: I usully don't distupgrade anyway... no need when doing daily upgrades.
[10:19] <delltony> same here 
[10:20] <delltony> only dist-upgrade when there is a new release
[10:20] <delltony> as in array 6 to array 7
[10:20] <hunger> and however bad kubuntu might bork the upgrades: It will be better than gentoo.
[10:21] <delltony> gentoo i hate
[10:21] <delltony> but thats a persornal opinion
[10:21] <delltony> emerge this emerge that
[10:21] <delltony> blah
[10:21] <hunger> delltony: I was bored out of my tree! I'll never do that mistake again.
[10:22] <delltony> hey wanna know a little trick
[10:22] <hunger> delltony: emerge is not worse than apt-get... it just takes ages instead of secounds to emerge.
[10:22] <delltony> do a locate on kside.png
[10:22] <delltony> then open up a image editor like gimp or whatever
[10:22] <delltony> and change the kde 3.4 to like i love linux or something
[10:23] <delltony> i put a girl with a thong as the gear on mine
[10:23] <Imsdlea> ok im lost.. i currently running ubuntu............. i think i want to go to kubunu, but I turn left rather then right at fluxbox and ended up in a deadend street with kde..
[10:24] <delltony> well if your running on a p3 500 its gonna be slow
[10:24] <delltony> but try it
[10:24] <Imsdlea> kubuntu?
[10:24] <delltony> sure if thats what you like
[10:24] <hunger> delltony: I have people running kde3.3 on a Pentium 133 and they are happy with it...
[10:24] <delltony> ok 
[10:25] <delltony> i just know it bogs my p3 450 down
[10:25] <Imsdlea> k
[10:25] <delltony> but everyone is different i guess
[10:25] <hunger> It is *SLOW*, but they are not used to anything faster, so they do not care.
[10:26] <Imsdlea> so... i have changed my sources.list with hoary rather then warty, now im running upgrade to get the files .. then i run apt-get kubuntu-desktop to change from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[10:26] <delltony> i just use fluxbox and its like a good ol slam bam thank you mam
[10:26] <delltony> :)
[10:26] <delltony> fast as hell on a slow system
[10:26] <Imsdlea> back to flux box.. how do i download it.. 
[10:26] <delltony> now on my highend system i use kde and love it
[10:26] <delltony> apt-get install fluxbox
[10:26] <delltony> or sudo synaptic
[10:26] <delltony> and do a search for fluxbox
[10:27] <hunger> delltony: Yeap... used to do that too... then switched to fvwm (you can turn of windows borders there) and then ended at KDE (without windows borders as well)
[10:27] <delltony> or better yet #fluxbox
[10:27] <delltony> you can turn off the window boders in flux too
[10:28] <delltony> i forget the command but i made a key toggle for it so the windows are transparent
[10:28] <hunger> delltony: Yeap. But I did not find a way to remove that menu at the border of the screen. I need my screen for my apps, not my WM.
[10:28] <delltony> i very seldom use my desktop
[10:28] <delltony> so i'm ont upto par on flux
[10:28] <delltony> i just run a image hosting server on it
[10:29] <delltony> oh that panel thing 
[10:29] <hunger> delltony: I don't want my windows to vanish... I just don't want that bar telling me that this window is running mozilla (which I can see for myself just fine, thank you)
[10:29] <hunger> delltony: and I do not need these resize handles all around windows either.
[10:30] <delltony> yeah thats something that pissed me off wth flux
[10:30] <delltony> i didn't care for that either
[10:30] <delltony> but what i always do is this
[10:30] <delltony> i maxmize the screen
[10:30] <delltony> so you never see that thing
[10:30] <delltony> and then made a keybinding for the windows key
[10:30] <delltony> so it brings up the menu
[10:30] <hunger> delltony: The screen has such a stupid format for maximizing...
[10:31] <hayden> delltony what window theme and stuff do u use for kde?
[10:31] <delltony> and then i take and hold down the mouse and drag it to the thing
[10:31] <delltony> lipstick
[10:31] <hunger> delltony: The lines of text get way to long when maximizing a browser.
[10:31] <hayden> do u have a picture of ur desktop anywhere?
[10:31] <hunger> delltony: I usually have two windows next to each other.
[10:31] <Imsdlea> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:31] <Imsdlea>   fluxbox: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu4) but 1:3.4.2-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:32] <delltony> sudo apt-get install libgcc1
[10:32] <hunger> hayden: Who? me?
[10:32] <Imsdlea> libgcc1 is already the newest version.
[10:33] <delltony> as in #fluxbox i'm not really sure
[10:33] <hayden> anyone, i just want to see what other peoples desktops look like 
[10:33] <hayden> so i can see what i can do
[10:33] <delltony> cause i know for one thing the ubuntu version is out of date :)
[10:33] <delltony> i compiled it from source
[10:34] <delltony> hang on a sec
[10:34] <delltony> http://www.lynucs.org/
[10:34] <hunger> hayden: I got a blue background (I think, haven't seen that in a while) and currently a konqui sized to 800x1200 pix next to a ksirc of the same size. Both windows without any decoration from the WM. No need to take pictures of that.
[10:34] <delltony> their drool
[10:34] <delltony> there even
[10:35] <delltony> every one of those are fluxbox by the way
[10:35] <hunger> hayden: No panels, and whatnot that just eats away on the screen estate.
[10:36] <delltony> let me mae a screenshot of what i have mines pretty plane atually
[10:36] <hunger> delltony: I bet mine is lamer than yours:-)
[10:37] <hayden> ok
[10:38] <delltony> probably ;)
[10:39] <delltony> man i forget the shell command for the timer
[10:39] <delltony> to make the screenshot
[10:42] <delltony> anyone know the xwd command for a screen?
[10:46] <delltony> sleep 5; xwd -out myscreen.png;
[10:54] <delltony> http://fapomatic.com/show.php?loc=8&f=screenshot_3.jpg  that should work 
[10:56] <hayden> interesintg
[10:57] <delltony> i had one of my girlfriends butt in jeans haha
[10:57] <delltony> i should have posted it 
[10:58] <hunger> delltony: So you are on a dell?
[10:59] <delltony> um yeah :D
[11:05] <delltony> man i swear i wish paypal didn't want to link to your bank account i refuse to use it because of that
[11:35] <delltony> hunger you still here?
[11:36] <hunger> delltony: yes.
[11:36] <delltony> if so type this at a shell and listen they are some really stupid folks in this world
[11:36] <delltony> type mplayer mms://kroq.wmod.llnwd.net/a168/o1/kbaudio/911_tape.asf
[11:36] <delltony> that is an actual 911 call i seen it on the news last night
[11:38] <hunger> delltony: Wow... 911, the make me happy number.
[11:38] <delltony> haha
[11:39] <delltony> id lock her up for being a mential issues
[11:40] <delltony> some folks really feel that way though
[11:40] <delltony> i know my grandmother use to order a pizza and ask them to pick up her medicine at the drug store for her
[11:40] <delltony> and would get pissed when they wouldn't
[11:41] <hunger> wow...
[11:41] <delltony> you know thats the thing this is something i don't understand 
[11:41] <delltony> you could set down around a pharmacy right
[11:41] <hunger> delltony: In the good ol' days when they still had service they would have done that.
[11:42] <delltony> and listen to folks make their medication request right
[11:42] <delltony> then after the person walks away
[11:42] <delltony> go up ther eand say i'm here to pick up the med for so in so
[11:42] <delltony> and they would give it to you
[11:43] <delltony> i use to do pizza like that
[11:43] <delltony> set down at the table with a coke or whatever and listen to them take an order
[11:43] <delltony> then after they did and all id call and complain about the pizza
[11:43] <delltony> that i didn't even order
[11:43] <delltony> and end up getting a free one
[11:44] <delltony> or call the cops
[11:44] <delltony> i wanted sausage on my pizza
[11:44] <delltony> haha
[11:44] <delltony> anyway later on
[11:53] <dmoyne> has anybody found a fix to edit menus with KDE 3.4 with hoary ?
[11:54] <delltony> type in run kmenuedit
[11:56] <dmoyne> to delltony : funny it works ! ; after this is K menu option "Edit menus" going to work ?
[11:58] <delltony> i don't know i didn't make it just use it :P
[11:59] <delltony> and no k menu is borked
[12:00] <dmoyne> to delltony : borked !!!!
[12:02] <dmoyne> to delltony thaks by !
[12:03] <incubii> bear in mind kubuntu isnt officially released yet :P
[12:20] <brainkilla> I have a problem setting up screensaver...
[12:20] <brainkilla> anyone willing to help?
[12:22] <incubii> i can try
[12:22] <brainkilla> thanx
[12:23] <hayden> i just upgraded and all the items on the bottom panel disappeared
[12:24] <brainkilla> the problem is really stupid I daresay
[12:24] <brainkilla> I just can't manage to have a screensaver at all
[12:24] <brainkilla> the module refuses to give me previews...
[12:24] <brainkilla> test button doesn't work
[12:24] <incubii> whats the trouble with the sscreensavers
[12:24] <incubii> oh
[12:24] <incubii> yeah  have the problem too
[12:24] <incubii> i was trying to solve it yesterday
[12:24] <brainkilla> ok, it's a bug then ;)
[12:24] <incubii> seems so
[12:24] <incubii> just remember kubuntu isnt official yet :)
[12:25] <incubii> well official preview
[12:25] <brainkilla> xscreensaver seems to work when started independently
[12:25] <brainkilla> I can have a preview and all
[12:25] <brainkilla> but inside KDE itself - nothing...
[12:27] <hayden> yea same
[12:27] <brainkilla> hmmm, screensaver just appeared out of nowhere :)
[12:27] <incubii> yeah i noticed that too. are you using the kubuntu iso or apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:28] <brainkilla> if you're asking me, I'm using iso
[12:28] <brainkilla> I found the solution I think
[12:29] <brainkilla> xscreensaver daemon must be started...
[12:29] <brainkilla> and it is not by default
[12:29] <incubii> ah
[12:30] <brainkilla> so .autostart script is something logical, I think
[12:30] <brainkilla> ;)
[12:35] <incubii> hrmm
[12:35] <incubii> still cant solve my xserver problem
[12:35] <incubii> hate having to restart it just so it dont look fucked up
[12:37] <brainkilla> xserver problem?  or xscreensaver? ;)
[12:37] <incubii> xserver
[12:38] <incubii> when it boots up into KDM its all fucked up. rainbow stripes everywhere. i tried modelines to fix this but the onyl way so far is to just restart X and then everythign is fine
[12:38] <brainkilla> yeah, I got those with warty, and now with kubuntu hoary, when logging out...
[12:39] <brainkilla> and x is starting slowly, nvidia splash lasts too long...
[12:39] <incubii> Linux anubis 2.6.11-1-powerpc-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 16:46:07 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[12:40] <incubii> i use ppc :)
[12:40] <brainkilla> lucky you
[12:40] <brainkilla> what are the specs of your machine, if I may ask?
[12:41] <incubii> Duel 1.42ghz G4, 512mb Ram (half in my PC) and a radeon 9000 on an 18" LCD
[12:42] <brainkilla> dual G4 - goddamn, I say goddamn...
[12:42] <hayden> not the best though
[12:43] <brainkilla> yeah, I've heard about dual G5 2,5 ghz ;)
[12:43] <incubii> yeah, not a Duel 2.5ghz, 1gb Ram G5 like at work
[12:43] <hayden> ya
[12:44] <hayden> Dual*
[12:44] <brainkilla> you're american, right?
[12:44] <incubii> wher ei work has 42 Duel 2.5ghz, 1gb ram, Geforce 6800 Ultras runnin duel 30" Apple LCDs and 4 20" LCDs on PCI cards
[12:44] <incubii> ;)
[12:45] <incubii> its a very nice setup
[12:45] <hayden> is that for something like animation or to do with movies?
[12:45] <incubii> stock trading
[12:45] <membreya> lol
[12:45] <brainkilla> 	stock trading?!
[12:45] <hayden> :S
[12:45] <incubii> they have more windows open then you could count
[12:45] <membreya> all that multimedia power..just for stock trading
[12:45] <hayden> lol
[12:45] <incubii> the stock trading software brings the G5 to a crawl
[12:46] <incubii> they are too slow
[12:46] <hayden> did microsoft make the software geez
[12:46] <brainkilla> prolly :)
[12:46] <incubii> yeah kinda shocked me when i found out they were too slow
[12:46] <incubii> talk of giving people 4 way opterons as their desktop machines
[12:46] <incubii> with 4gb ram
[12:46] <membreya> mmmmmmm :P~
[12:46] <incubii> man i hope that goes through caus ei get to play with them till they work
[12:47] <brainkilla> jsz...
[12:47] <incubii> i love my work, as you can tell
[12:47] <brainkilla> it hardly comes as a surprise ;)
[12:47] <incubii> got to play Halflife 2 th eother day at 2560x1600 everything maxed out with AA on at 80fps
[12:48] <membreya> i was so proud.. I broke the mac at work the other day :P
[12:48] <incubii> almost creamed myself, lol
[12:48] <incubii> lol membreya 
[12:48] <incubii> i hate when the macs break, i have no idea how to fix them
[12:48] <hayden> membreya: what'd u use a hammer?
[12:48] <membreya> hayden: good old adam-speed multitasking :P
[12:49] <hayden> yea
[12:49] <incubii> i run linux on my macs at work and this one here
[12:49] <membreya> tis only a G4 though
[12:49] <incubii> if i ever need OS X i just fire up mol
[12:49] <membreya> gotta say though, I was smitten with the animation effects of minimising in OSX :P
[12:49] <hayden> yea
[12:49] <membreya> wish KDE could do it
[12:50] <incubii> yeah OS X is pretty
[12:50] <incubii> i was taken back by how pleasing to the eye it was for me
[12:50] <incubii> compared to the crud that windows provides
[12:50] <hayden> the only thing KDE has is when you go over say the K-Menu and the tool tip appears
[12:50] <membreya> candy :D and damn good candy
[12:50] <membreya> hayden: you can also make the menus appear at the top of the screen like mac :P
[12:51] <incubii> i find my productivity gets reduced to zero though on OS X as i dont know how to do anything 
[12:51] <hayden> membreya: yea the file menu
[12:51] <membreya> incubii: I get lost with only have one mouse button and no mouse wheel :\
[12:51] <incubii> yeah thats why i put MX1000's on them with logitech KBs
[12:51] <incubii> ;)
[12:52] <incubii> so much nicer
[12:52] <membreya> you're making a mongrel mac :P
[12:52] <hayden> wheres the best place locally, to mount samba network shares, under /media/?
[12:52] <incubii> functional mac
[12:52] <incubii> :P
[12:52] <membreya> hayden: yes
[12:52] <hayden> ok
[12:52] <incubii> if you use smb4k it mounts them in your home directory
[12:53] <incubii> /home/user/samba/mount
[12:53] <membreya> kde is being weird..i have to log in, log out and then log in again for my drive icons to appear on my desktop
[12:53] <membreya> :\
[12:54] <incubii> if only i could put taskbar into desktop bar in kde it would be sweet
[12:54] <membreya> taskbar?
[12:54] <incubii> yeah to show current apps running
[12:55] <membreya> on....your desktop? :\
[12:55] <incubii> no i want it in the desktopbar at the top of the screen
[12:55] <incubii> so i only have icons on the bottom part
[12:55] <membreya> aaah :)
[12:55] <incubii> i want kde to be os X
[12:55] <incubii> :P
[12:56] <hayden> yea
[12:56] <membreya> but OSX has your running apps down the bottom :P
[12:56] <hayden> have u got a osx looking window theme
[12:56] <incubii> nah
[12:56] <incubii> i like plastik
[12:56] <membreya> plastik is what I use :)
[12:56] <incubii> use to liek keramik but it was too bright
[12:56] <incubii> and kiddy
[12:57] <membreya> if someone can make a theme so that the windows minimise like OSX, I will hump their leg
[12:57] <hayden> lol
[12:58] <incubii> lol
[01:02] <membreya> incubii: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21357&forummode=2&forumpage=0&forumexplevel=3
[01:03] <membreya> just to prove that someone has done it :P
[01:03] <hayden> membreya: are there any mac os x like docks that aren't just launchers, but can show what windows are currently open and stuff?
[01:04] <membreya> dunno :( I've only just started to appreciate OSX :)
[01:05] <incubii> heh nice
[01:13] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[01:15] <membreya> is there any way to get konqueror to cache thumbnails?
[01:15] <incubii> its on by default i beleive
[01:16] <membreya> doesn't cache the thumbnails of my music vids :| lol ...and since I have 980 of them it takes a while to generate the thumbnails
[01:19] <NetSKaVeN> anyone remastering kubuntu live CD?
[01:42] <haggai> NetSKaVeN: it gets remastered every morning
[01:43] <NetSKaVeN> haggai: but I'm talking about personal remastering
[01:44] <NetSKaVeN> to put/quit apps
[01:45] <NetSKaVeN> I'm working in a modified kubuntu to interactive fiction spanish fans
[01:45] <NetSKaVeN> but the Live Customized Howto doesn't work well
[01:46] <NetSKaVeN> I quit many apps but my iso finish bigger than the original
[01:47] <haggai> NetSKaVeN: ah, ok.  I haven't tried it myself yet
[01:48] <NetSKaVeN> ok, thanks anyway
[01:48] <Quinn_Storm> hey, just happened to notice, they synced in the rest of the packages the metapackage "kde" needs sometime lastnight!
[01:53] <hayden> whats some nice things i can add to my desktop?
[01:56] <apokryphos> hayden: superkaramba? Other icon themes? Wallpapers etc.. 
[01:58] <hayden> hmm ok
[01:58] <apokryphos> hayden: you can't get better than www.kde-look.org
[01:58] <hayden> i have some samba shares that mount when the comptuer boots (in /etc/fstab) how come they dont appear on the desktop
[01:58] <hayden> yea i know
[02:00] <apokryphos> I'm not sure because I never enable that stuff, but Configure Desktop > Behavior  > Device Icons is likely the place you wanna check.
[02:00] <hayden> yea thats checked
[02:16] <Ruby_live> guys... i need some help with a new install...
[02:18] <Riddell> Ruby_live: you need to say what the problem is else it's hard to help
[02:19] <Ruby_live> heh... sorry... went out for a sec...
[02:20] <Ruby_live> Xserver doesnt run on startup, and when i run it manually it says there is some error with Xserver, and Xauthoritie...
[02:23] <srid> well, how to see a demo of speech engine in kubunut? 
[02:26] <apokryphos> In Konsole, when switching Tabs with the shortcut -- Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right -- it doesn't seem to actually change the Shell No.; only seems to change the active tab
[02:28] <apokryphos> My brother doesn't have this problem with his 3.4 (on Gentoo), and just checked another Kubuntu installation that has the same problem. So, I'm kind of inclined to think that it's down to kubuntu here...
[02:29] <apokryphos> Can anyone else clarify this, too? If so, will compile a bug report.
[02:30] <apokryphos> erghh... silliness. That's the shortcut to move the tab. =). Cancel that.
[02:32] <kinema> How do I change the bindings of the fouth and fifth mouse buttons in Konqueror?  I want them to be 'Forward' and 'Back' like they are in FF and most (every?) other browsers.
[02:45] <hayden> how do i make it so all the folders in a directory appear at the top in konqueror
[02:50] <mcnl_1> i need some help with a new Kubuntu install... X doesnt run on startup and i get an error runing xinit in command line...
[03:04] <hayden> are there any good looking ubuntu kdm
[03:10] <buz> help! i dist-upgraded my kubuntu today (whole lot of kde updates) and my panel config got overwritten
[03:13] <hayden> yea same
[03:13] <buz> what to do? restore from backup? (actually made on on wednesday ;-)
[03:13] <hayden> i just re added everything i had on there
[03:13] <buz> that's a pain
[03:13] <hayden> but i had the default panel items though
[03:13] <hayden> so it wasnt hard
[03:13] <buz> and i cant seem to figure out how to get stuff like kopete to show up there agin
[03:14] <hayden> add panel->applet->system tray
[03:14] <hayden> i think thats it
[03:14] <buz> yeah it is
[03:14] <buz> must haver overlooked it as i doesnt have an icon there so i just sorta skipped it embarassing
[03:15] <hayden> lol
[03:16] <buz> lets see if restoring from backup helps
[03:16] <buz> i can only advise NOT to upgrade today
[03:20] <_buz> sheesh this sucks
[03:20] <_buz> restoring from backup doesnt help either
[03:21] <haggai> ouch I wonder what went wrong
[03:21] <haggai> Riddell: any idea?  Your uploads are likely to have triggered it I guess
[03:21] <_buz> i just hope this ain't like the normal way of doing kde updates in kubuntu *EG*
[03:22] <haggai> _buz: is it possible that kubuntu-defaults just got installed on your system?
[03:22] <_buz> maybe
[03:22] <_buz> does apt keep a log somewhere
[03:22] <_buz> also i wonder, my bios says i have 1024mb ram (which makes sense using 2x512mb sticks) but top only shows like 900mb phys memory???
[03:22] <apokryphos> _buz: read just too late :P. Just did. 
[03:22] <apokryphos> I notice some of my settings are mucked up, but nothing serious yet.
[03:23] <_buz> well it doesn't trash data from what i can tell, it just fucks over your kde settings
[03:23] <apokryphos> Other having the exact same problem (as I just had): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21989
[03:23] <apokryphos> *Others
[03:24] <_buz> i thought kubuntu might just be the first linux that actually works when upgrading
[03:24] <_buz> guess i was wrong there hehehe
[03:24] <_buz> but otherwise it's a fine distro
[03:24] <apokryphos> _buz: This is actually the first time I've had that problem, and I think I've updated far more than most.
[03:25] <_buz> i've run apt-get distrupgrade daily for the past week
[03:25] <apokryphos> Daily..? Why? 
[03:25] <_buz> beating the shit out of it, trying to see if it breaks ;-)
[03:25] <_buz> (my other debian based ventures like knoppix or mepis always broke pretty quickly ;-)
[03:26] <apokryphos> I've done well over around 30 dist-upgrades; I had another issue in the past, but it was solved with a reconfiguration of X. Apart from that, this is the only problem I've had with it
[03:27] <_buz> lets hope this is an isolated incident then
[03:27] <_buz> i nuked my last win2k setup the other day ;-)
[03:28] <apokryphos> How did you do that? Use IE? :P
[03:28] <_buz> nah, qtparted
[03:28] <apokryphos> ah, partition problems
[03:28] <_buz> i meant to nuke it ;-)
[03:28] <_buz> did it on purpose
[03:28] <apokryphos> oh
[03:29] <_buz> but firefox somehow behaves weird
[03:29] <_buz> i can see it drawing parts of the ui after maximizing it from the taskbar
[03:30] <_buz> other than that, things feel quite speedy
[03:30] <Roey> hi
[03:30] <Roey> er
[03:30] <Roey> apokryphos:  hi!
[03:31] <Roey> apokryphos:  does lilo have a problem with amd64?  All the amd64 kernels I've tried have given PANICs right after the kernel is finished uncompressing.
[03:33] <_buz> Roey:  what board have you got for that amd64? i'm meaning to buy one but i can't really find a board to my liking
[03:34] <Roey> msi K8T neo fis2r 
[03:34] <Roey> _buz:  that
[03:34] <Roey> _buz:  it has integrated sound and ethernet
[03:34] <Roey> _buz:  it's ok I guess.. the biggest problem is that it doesn't do ddr, only sdr
[03:34] <_buz> huuuh? all athlon64 use ddr
[03:35] <_buz> or do you mean dual channel? that depends on the cpu itself (memory controller is inside the cpu), only socket939 supports it
[03:36] <apokryphos> Sorry about that; evil internet disconnected. Not sure if my last message got delivered...
[03:36] <apokryphos> Hm. Kstart and Alt+ F2 seem larger. Also, on the K-menu, the Kubuntu customization image there seems to be missing
[03:36] <_buz> i had to readd kmenu myself
[03:36] <_buz> and before, the startup sequence wouldnt show the normal kde loading process, now it does
[03:36] <apokryphos> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt doesn't seem to be doing its job, neither
[03:37] <apokryphos> GTK apps looking real ugly
[03:37] <buz> i tried to install gtk-qt  but i couldnt figure out how to get GTK to actually use it
[03:37] <Roey> _buz:  dual channel, sorry ;)
[03:37] <apokryphos> buz: configure from kcontrol
[03:38] <buz> yeah but it doesn't seem to do anything really
[03:38] <apokryphos> But kdeaccessibility in.. which is nice. Though kttsd seems to crash here. :(
[03:38] <buz> firefox still got them ugly gnome dialogs
[03:38] <apokryphos> buz: It isn't now.. like I said, doesn't seem to be doing its job. Was fine before.
[03:38] <buz> i don't think it ever did the job for me
[03:38] <Roey> anyhow
[03:38] <Roey> I will ask on #grub as well then
[03:39] <buz> in general, nvidia has the better linux support than ati right
[03:40] <Roey> aye
[03:40] <buz> no composite on my radeon, sux
[03:40] <mcnl_1> i disagree :P im trying to run ubuntu for 2 weeks now and X just wont start :D
[03:40] <buz> worked perfectly for me
[03:41] <buz> even with that crappy prosavage onboard trash it would start
[03:41] <buz> but only use 8bit color LOL
[03:41] <mcnl_1> i get some xinit:Xserver error and thats it :)
[03:42] <buz> did you try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:42] <buz> that worked for me when switching cards
[03:42] <mcnl_1> yeah... all is configured correctly...
[03:42] <buz> what card have you got (won't buy it then ;-)
[03:42] <mcnl_1> oh... now it says there are some authoretie problems with Xauthoreite?!
[03:43] <mcnl_1> i dont think you can buy it any more...
[03:43] <mcnl_1> its a geforce 2
[03:43] <buz> ah yeah
[03:43] <buz> that's pretty old ;)
[03:44] <buz> i was thinking along the lines of gforce 5200
[03:44] <mcnl_1> so... any one has any clue?
[03:45] <buz> not really
[03:45] <mcnl_1> oh... :P
[03:45] <buz> X has traditionally been my archenemy
[03:52] <_thomas> Hi there!
[03:52] <_thomas> Where may I get the pakage cyrus-sasl-plain?
[03:53] <_thomas> I do need it to be able to send mails through that gmail-smtp
[03:55] <apokryphos> grothesk: Google, likely, as it isn't in the repos. What program are you using for your gmail?
[03:56] <grothesk> apokryphos: I'm using kmail
[03:56] <apokryphos> grothesk: for sending mails why not use the sendmail that it provides? Works quite well here.
[03:57] <apokryphos> though admittedly, I have no idea how it actually works.
[03:57] <grothesk> I don't like hosting a senmalserver of my own.
[03:57] <buz> also, how can i get firefox to handle all urls from kde? right know kde downloads the files then calls firefox upon thte local copy
[03:59] <grothesk> I used to use SuSE but wanted to try k/ubuntu. But without being able to send mail to that smtp-server it is useless.
[03:59] <apokryphos> buz: altering from kcontrol doesn't help?
[04:00] <apokryphos> grothesk: well, then look for the package from the Internet, like I said.
[04:00] <buz> cyrus-sasl should be pretty easy to get
[04:00] <buz> cyrus after all is widely used
[04:01] <buz> aaah i need to use a link with firefox %u, not just firefox
[04:01] <buz> but now the bouncing firefox icon stays there for a loong time
[04:01] <apokryphos> it's not KDE ;-)
[04:02] <buz> well firefox was already in memory and displaying the page while there was still the bouncing icon which is kinda weird if you ask me
[04:03] <haggai> grothesk: maybe you mean libsasl2-modules
[04:03] <buz> noooow, a firefox kde port would be something
[04:03] <buz> i think there actually ARE qt hooks in firefox, it's just that i can't find binaries of it anywhere
[04:06] <MindZEye> Wasn't a port produced recently to use Gecko instead of KHTML?
[04:07] <buz> i don't care so much for gecko than my beloved extensions
[04:07] <buz> so gecko in konqueror wouldn't help me much
[04:08] <grothesk> haggai: libsasl2-modules is alreada installed. Actually als Pakages containing sasl are installed...
[04:09] <grothesk> So I'll have to go back to SuSE, I think. 
[04:09] <haggai> grothesk: but what does that package do?
[04:10] <haggai>  cyrus-sasl-plain package contains the Cyrus SASL plugins which support
[04:10] <haggai> PLAIN and LOGIN authentication schemes
[04:10] <haggai>  This package provides the following SASL modules: LOGIN, PLAIN, ANONYMOUS,
[04:10] <haggai>  OTP, CRAM-MD5, and DIGEST-MD5 (with DES support).
[04:10] <grothesk> I dont know exactly, but I do know that I had to install it in order to be able to send my mails throug smtp.gmail.com
[04:10] <haggai> grothesk: the descriptions for those are the same
[04:11] <haggai> it must be a configuration problem, not a missing package problem
[04:11] <grothesk> I cant find that package in kynaptic
[04:12] <haggai> libsasl2-modules is there
[04:13] <grothesk> I do have installed libsasl2, libsasl2-modules libsasl7 libsasl-modules-plain 
[04:14] <apokryphos> heh
[04:14] <grothesk> I'm currentliy downloading mandrake, maybe that will work better...
[04:17] <grothesk> Just thought kubuntu might be a good alternative to Suse. But maybe it's still too early for it.
[04:17] <buz> it works pretty well for me
[04:18] <buz> aside of the kde screw up today that is
[04:18] <buz> i can't stand suse, they patch everything without any clear reason to do so
[04:18] <grothesk> There are some minor glitches I don't like.
[04:18] <buz> but bsd on the desktop lacks some driver support
[04:18] <grothesk> USB-Devices do not automount in kubuntu
[04:19] <buz> i just saw a post about that on ubuntuforums it SHOULD work
[04:19] <buz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20450&highlight=kde+upgrade
[04:19] <grothesk> For me it does not. I had to mount it manually.
[04:19] <buz> says you need pmount 
[04:21] <grothesk> I do have pmount.
[04:34] <buz> anybody got a nforce4 board?
[04:39] <hunger> Any estimation on when kdepim incl. crypto will be uploaded?
[04:40] <hunger> The missing encryption stuff is what keeps me tied to this sucky gentoo thingy I have currently installed.
[05:11] <alican> Hi all
[05:12] <hayden> hi
[05:33] <odie5533> apokryphos: Can you name some ways that KDE is better than gnome?
[05:34] <odie5533> I've tried both, and I still don't see why anyone would use KDE
[05:34] <buz> it's not based on GTK 
[05:34] <apokryphos> Sure; though I'm of the belief that desktop-environment is often subjective
[05:34] <apokryphos> Tight intergration with apps, great apps, things like DCOP, great handling of settings, Konqueror...
[05:35] <apokryphos> *Tight intergration, in general, actually.
[05:35] <odie5533> The GTK part of gnome makes it possible to actually use apps without major display propblems from app to app
[05:35] <buz> consistent look and feel
[05:35] <buz> i haven't seen display problems in qt so far at all
[05:35] <odie5533> Yeah I noted the integration of konqeror, quite nice
[05:35] <odie5533> everytime I tried KDE I had huge fonts
[05:36] <apokryphos> odie5533: display problems from app to app?
[05:36] <buz> you can easily change that in kcontrol you know
[05:36] <odie5533> yes
[05:36] <odie5533> fonts always changed
[05:36] <apokryphos> odie5533: well, why not change them? It can be done *very* easily
[05:36] <odie5533> buz: didn't help
[05:36] <odie5533> I tried
[05:36] <buz> mhh sure worked for me
[05:36] <odie5533> It worked some of the times
[05:36] <apokryphos> and...?
[05:36] <odie5533> Most notably was FireFox fonts... KDE just doesn't like firefox I guess
[05:36] <apokryphos> Not sure, but you can't really critisize KDE because it has "large fonts". That point is by nature pretty much a non-point.
[05:37] <apokryphos> Well, that's because it's not KDE
[05:37] <buz> uuhm firefox is a GTK app ;-)
[05:37] <apokryphos> there's a package you can get to adjust GTK fonts in KDE
[05:37] <odie5533> I got that package =/ it doesn't help enough
[05:37] <odie5533> So what browser do you use instead?
[05:37] <apokryphos> I'm actually having problems with it at the moment too, actually, but hopefully it'll be sorted soon.
[05:37] <apokryphos> It was running fine a week ago, and made GTK apps bearable here.
[05:38] <odie5533> If you are wondering ;D Gnome runs all apps perfectly for me
[05:38] <odie5533> I like the desktop environment of KDE though
[05:39] <apokryphos> I never said apps don't run smoothly in KDE
[05:39] <buz> apokryphos: i still think it should be activated somewhere
[05:39] <apokryphos> buz: yes, in kcontrol.
[05:39] <apokryphos> odie5533: of any kind.
[05:39] <buz> apokryphos: i did
[05:39] <odie5533> What other reasons are there to use KDE?
[05:39] <buz> doesnt seem to change anything
[05:39] <buz> you dont need to look at a stinking foot
[05:39] <apokryphos> buz: Yeah, like I said, current seems to be having probs.
[05:40] <buz> what version where you using before? 5.04? didnt work for me there either
[05:40] <hunger> odie5533: Are your DPI settings correct for your display?
[05:40] <odie5533> yes
[05:40] <hunger> odie5533: You might try lowering them...
[05:40] <apokryphos> odie5533: It's often the little things that all add up, but there are quite a few larger reasons. Google is your friend.
[05:40] <odie5533> I actually tried that before hunger
[05:40] <odie5533> Google works on gnome
[05:41] <apokryphos> buz: Have always been using Hoary... but last week's dist-upgrade gave no probs.
[05:41] <hunger> odie5533: Too bad... That is not the reason then;-)
[05:41] <apokryphos> odie5533: No! Really?
[05:41] <apokryphos> :P
[05:41] <odie5533> ;D
[05:42] <odie5533> Hmm... I think I'll try KDE again... soon...
[05:42] <odie5533> It never stuck to me... but I did like the preferences loads better
[05:43] <odie5533> I started on KDE, a friend of mine what KDE/Gnome were, said use KDE and don't worry about gnome ;D
[05:43] <odie5533> *when asked
[05:43] <odie5533> So of course being human, I tried gnome...
[05:44] <odie5533> does it not bother you that KDE looks like a wannabe winxp?
[05:44] <apokryphos> Heh
[05:44] <apokryphos> It's quite telling that Gnome users say that about KDE, and KDE users say that about Gnome
[05:44] <odie5533> Thats another reason I like gnome... it reminds me of linux
[05:44] <odie5533> woah
[05:44] <odie5533> no way
[05:44] <apokryphos> Really
[05:44] <hunger> odie5533: I never got the hang of gnome...
[05:45] <odie5533> look at gnome and compare to windows
[05:45] <apokryphos> Ok
[05:45] <odie5533> I see few alikeness, other than the fact they both use toolbars lol
[05:45] <odie5533> Whereas KDE is arranged in the same matter for most things
[05:45] <hunger> odie5533: That the gnomes closed a bugreport of mine after just two years did not really help... the bug was still not fixed when I tried gnome the last time.
[05:46] <odie5533> what bug?
[05:46] <apokryphos> odie5533: I certainly disagree. 
[05:46] <odie5533> I disagree with you disagreeing
[05:46] <odie5533> :D
[05:46] <hunger> odie5533: Mixer applet works fine, when using it to open the "real" mixer I only get a window claiming that I do not have a soundcard.
[05:46] <apokryphos> odie5533: Anyhow, the issue is a matter of intent. KDE organises things the best or most suitable way they see fit. They certainly don't aim to be like Windoze, as I'm sure Gnome doesn't.
[05:47] <odie5533> real mixer?
[05:47] <Ruby> guys... i need some help with ubi new installation... X wont start on ubuntu start, i get a command line, in whitch startX and Xinit wont give the result too... HELP? :(
[05:47] <apokryphos> If there are overlaps with Windoze -- then fine and dandy. KDE shouldn't be in the business of doing things differently to Windoze when they think Windoze got it right.
[05:47] <hunger> odie5533: The gnome-mixer app, the one that is supposed to have all those sliders for all those fancy settings.
[05:47] <odie5533> Ruby: the command is startx
[05:47] <buz> you can make kde look like pretty much anything else
[05:47] <odie5533> not startX
[05:47] <hunger> odie5533: Never saw it for myself of course.
[05:47] <Ruby> yeah...
[05:48] <odie5533> buz: Thats the one thing I liked
[05:48] <Ruby> i knoe...
[05:48] <Ruby> i used startx
[05:48] <odie5533> What comes up?
[05:48] <Ruby> *know
[05:48] <odie5533> hunger: comes up fine for me =/
[05:49] <Ruby> in xinit i get xinit: xonnection refused:unable to connect to Xserver xinit: No such proccess:server error
[05:49] <hunger> odie5533: I reported this problem in gnome 1.4 something... and it still is present in gnome 2.6 (at least for me)
[05:49] <odie5533> Gnome is less customizable... I was told though that it will be more customizable soon
[05:49] <odie5533> 2.10 atm
[05:50] <hunger> odie5533: Gnome used to be really customizable... till they removed almost all options.
[05:50] <odie5533> what?!!?1
[05:50] <hunger> odie5533: Everything is hidden away in gconf now.
[05:50] <Ruby> in startx i get xauth: /home/ruby/.xauthority not writeable, changes will be ignored xauth: error in locking authority file xinit:server error
[05:50] <Ruby> anyone?
[05:50] <odie5533> why?!?!
[05:50] <hunger> odie5533: Because all those options were so confusing to users.
[05:50] <Rebroad> hi. Anyone know how to turn off the sounds KDE makes when I minimise/resize windows please?
[05:51] <apokryphos> Rebroad: kcontrol
[05:51] <odie5533> Ruby: startx or sudo startx
[05:51] <Rebroad> apokryphos: hi. good name. sounds Greek. I'm in kcontrol now - but I can't find the relevant section
[05:51] <hunger> odie5533: And if you are a geek and really want to change things you can always fire up gconf-editor or whatever it is called.
	in startx i get xauth: /home/ruby/.xauthority not writeable, changes will be ignored xauth: error in locking authority file xinit:server error
[05:51] <odie5533> hunger: I am :D
[05:52] <apokryphos> Rebroad: it is Greek, as I am ;-)
[05:52] <hunger> odie5533: Well, I like to not having to use a registry...
[05:52] <odie5533> I want that too... also this registry is quite small
[05:52] <apokryphos> Rebroad: kcontrol > Sound and Multimedia > System Notifications
[05:52] <odie5533> *remembers windows*
[05:53] <buz> interesting the run field in my panel doesn't react to input anymore
[05:53] <hunger> odie5533: Yeap, but only because there are so few apps that actually use it.
[05:53] <hunger> odie5533: I don't understand why ... ;-)
[05:53] <Rebroad> apokryphos: eyxaristw :)
[05:54] <apokryphos> parakalo :P
[05:58] <Rebroad> I'm trying to configure samba shares.. was struggling to use kcontrol to do it. think I'll try swat...
[05:59] <hunger> AAAAARRRGGGGG! Gentoo SUCKS!
[05:59] <hunger> Where did it hide the info page I was reading yesterday?!
[06:00] <Rebroad> hunger: ok, but does it swallow?
[06:01] <hunger> gentoo really is the worst distri I ever tried.... and I have tried SuSE once.
[06:01] <Rebroad> hunger: which do you prefer? ubuntu or suse?
[06:02] <hunger> Rebroad: I'm waiting for kubuntu to become useable and then I'll switch there.
[06:02] <ataxic> i think kubuntu is pretty neat  , just playing with it , having it next to slackware
[06:02] <apokryphos> hunger: it's not usable? ;-)
[06:02] <hunger> Rebroad: Suse is the second most annoying distri right before gentoo.
[06:02] <Rebroad> hunger: what do you find unuseable about it?
[06:03] <apokryphos> hunger: what do you dislike about Gentoo, out of interest?
[06:03] <Rebroad> I've heard good things about Suse, but I have kubuntu working so problem free, that I doubt I'll bother trying out Suse now
[06:03] <hunger> apokryphos: I need kdepim with crypto... the status page claims that it is not yet uploaded.
[06:03] <Rebroad> what is kdepim?
[06:03] <ataxic> kmail and stuff
[06:03] <apokryphos> hunger: not sure if the lack of that package classifies it as being "unusable" :P. For some, sure.
[06:03] <hunger> apokryphos: a) emerge takes AGES to install stuff und is not much more up to date then debian/unstable used to be.
[06:04] <ataxic> isn't emerge compiling it all from source?
[06:04] <apokryphos> kdepim -- KDE Personal Information Management. Mail, Kontact, etc etc
[06:04] <Rebroad> I don't see the point of gentoo at all
[06:05] <apokryphos> hunger: Yes, there is that :P. But the Library is disgustingly huge, so I have to give it that.
[06:05] <hunger> apokryphos: b) gentoo always comes up with some really annoying bug (like not finding and partitions after an upgrade) whenever I am just about to start to think it might not suck bigtime.
[06:06] <hunger> apokryphos: And all that to get an alledged speedup... I never noticed anything.
[06:06] <apokryphos> Having to ermge everything is certainly reason enough for me to not use the distro.
[06:06] <ataxic> if you want ports kinda stuff, go bsd or smt..
[06:06] <apokryphos> My brother's been trying to convert me for some time. To be honest, I do notice the speedup on Gentoo, though it's not large at all.
[06:06] <hunger> apokryphos: That might be because my box is utterly inresponsive since it is all the time compiling some stuff.
[06:07] <apokryphos> heh
[06:07] <Rebroad> hehe. the overall speed of gentoo is slower if you take into account of the compilations you have to perform!
[06:08] <hunger> apokryphos: Finally NOTHING works out of the box in Gentoo... add that it keeps losing some of my settings all the time.
[06:10] <hunger> apokryphos: and of course the PITA of keeping the USE flags set up properly with them adding new and undocumented ones all the time (well, they claim they do not, but somehow new ones keep showing up in my system) and the trouble with all the package masking/unmasking whenever something gets broken.
[06:11] <hunger> and there is always something broken.
[06:11] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:11] <hunger> ... which of course will break the emerge world so you can not have that running unsupervised.
[06:13] <hunger> apokryphos: Sorry for all the text... but you did get me started.
[06:13] <apokryphos> hunger: no problem at all; interesting; I agree with some of it, but haven't tried it out enough to know it completely
[06:14] <hunger> apokryphos: I want to have a nice debian based distro again... kubuntu looks very promissing to me.
[06:15] <apokryphos> hunger: I like it very much. Good active devs, solid base (ubuntu/debian); overall a very nice distro.
[06:16] <hunger> apokryphos: I tried the kubuntu livecd before. looked very nice.
[06:16] <hunger> Does ubuntu have support for crypted partitions by the way?
[06:18] <hitriko> hey guys i'm trying to install the offical bittorrent client but when i try to open 'setup.py' it open it in openoffice... someone help plz?
[06:22] <ataxic> python setup.py  ? 
[06:22] <ataxic> try that
[06:23] <ataxic> hitriko: on the commandline
[06:23] <hitriko> i tryed to do it in command line and without it
[06:25] <ataxic> i suggest you read README or INSTALL or something in the install dir then
[06:25] <hitriko> usage: setup.py [global_opts]  cmd1 [cmd1_opts]  [cmd2 [cmd2_opts]  ...] 
[06:25] <hitriko>    or: setup.py --help [cmd1 cmd2 ...] 
[06:25] <hitriko>    or: setup.py --help-commands
[06:25] <hitriko>    or: setup.py cmd --help
[06:26] <hitriko> thats what it gives me
[06:26] <hitriko> ataxic: i tryed reading the install files and stuff i can't find anything...
[06:38] <ataxic> dunno
[07:04] <Nonphasis> anyone know how to disable artsd?
[07:04] <Nonphasis> disabling it in "sound system" doesn't work
[07:04] <apokryphos> That's how you disable it; you'll likely have to kill it as well.
[07:05] <Nonphasis> but the chockbox is checked again when I open the "sound system" app next time
[07:05] <apokryphos> Are you definitely hitting apply?
[07:05] <Nonphasis> yes
[07:05] <Nonphasis> and ok too
[07:06] <apokryphos> I have it disabled here with no probs.
[07:06] <ztonzy> apokryphos, evening
[07:06] <apokryphos> hi ztonzy :)
[07:07] <Nonphasis> when I click "apply", I get "restarting sound system"
[07:07] <Nonphasis> I'm not running kubuntu proper, but rather ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop package
[07:07] <apokryphos> that is proper enough ;-)
[07:08] <apokryphos> so after you "Apply" the box is rechecked?
[07:08] <Nonphasis> I'd had hoped they would have disabled artsd in kubuntu and used normal Ubuntu stuff for sound shit
[07:08] <Nonphasis> no, after apply and ok
[07:08] <apokryphos> Nah; aRts is KDE.
[07:08] <apokryphos> ? There is no ok. I guess you mean close...
[07:09] <Nonphasis> but rhythmbox + other ubuntu apps don't like it
[07:09] <Nonphasis> no, there is ok here
[07:09] <apokryphos> Sure. aRts is *for* KDE.
[07:09] <Nonphasis> arts hogs alsa 
[07:09] <Nonphasis> so that it's reserved when I use rhythmox
[07:10] <apokryphos> not an amaroK-fan?
[07:11] <Nonphasis> never tried amarok
[07:11] <Nonphasis> I'll give it a spin now
[07:11] <apokryphos> but re: the problem, in all honesty I don't know. Something is certainly going wrong if you're unchecking the box and it's rechecking itself.
[07:11] <apokryphos> Nonphasis: it is *very* good. :)
[07:11] <Nonphasis> yeah, the box used to work with older kde versions
[07:18] <apokryphos> ouch. Composite stuff from kcontrol is very sweet
[07:19] <Nonphasis> I suppose amark can't use gstreamer?
[07:19] <Nonphasis> amarok
[07:20] <apokryphos> Sure it can; it's the default, too.
[07:21] <Nonphasis> it detected no engine
[07:21] <Nonphasis> weird
[07:21] <Nonphasis> "Configure engine" only has empty entries
[07:21] <apokryphos> Nonphasis: what does dpkg -l | grep amarok give?
[07:21] <Nonphasis> gotta try killall artsd
[07:21] <apokryphos> I think that'll only restart it; not sure though.
[07:21] <Nonphasis> ii  amarok         1.2.1-0ubuntu5 versatile and easy to use audio player for K
[07:21] <Nonphasis> ii  amarok-arts    1.2.1-0ubuntu5 aRts engine for the amaroK audio player
[07:22] <apokryphos> Yeah; install the other engines from the repos.
[07:26] <Nonphasis> apokryphos, trying amarok now. Wow :)
[07:27] <apokryphos> Nonphasis: Cool. :) Yup, I like it very much.
[07:27] <Nonphasis> can it do net radio?
[07:27] <apokryphos> Nonphasis: No idea; check their site: www.amarok.kde.org
[07:29] <buz> Nonphasis: kaffeine can do for sure
[07:30] <ztonzy> apokryphos, btw...I bought a webcam the other day...today I finally found a driver and it worked straight away for linux !
[07:30] <ztonzy> guess I am happy :D
[07:32] <Nonphasis> hmm, kaffeine... I suppose it's better than noatun?
[07:32] <Nonphasis> I've been using totem-xine in the past...
[07:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Woo! Great stuff. :)
[07:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: what one, out of interest?
[07:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yupp! and same quality as in windows XP
[07:34] <apokryphos> sweet
[07:34] <ztonzy> Creative Webcam NX Pro
[07:34] <ztonzy> very cheap too
[07:35] <ztonzy> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html  <---- those drivers
[07:35] <Roey> apokryphos:  how do I get grub going on a drive's mbr?
[07:35] <apokryphos> Very cool looking one, too
[07:35] <ztonzy> apokryphos, you mean the cam ?
[07:35] <apokryphos> Yup
[07:36] <apokryphos> Roey: Sorry, I have no idea; no real knowledge of GRUB.
[07:36] <ztonzy> looks nice yes...but too light in weight
[07:36] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it should have heavier stand
[07:36] <Nonphasis> Roey, install it to /dev/hda instead of /dev/hda1
[07:37] <Nonphasis> Roey, (modify if appropriate)
[07:37] <buz> kaffeine is more like a kde interface to xine than a real mp3 player
[07:37] <apokryphos> Oh, master boot record. Heh, I blanked out there.
[07:38] <apokryphos> ztonzy: and the quality is good, then?
[07:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, cam ?  indeed for that price
[07:38] <ztonzy> they have it on lower price here now...dunno where you live
[07:38] <apokryphos> London :P
[07:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, but same quality as in XP
[07:38] <ztonzy> haha
[07:38] <buz> can it do 640*480 with 30fps?
[07:39] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I wille come visit !
[07:39] <ztonzy> buga, yes
[07:39] <ztonzy> buz, upps...yes
[07:39] <apokryphos> ztonzy: anytime ;)
[07:40] <buz> mhh might buy myself one of these some time. they've gotten very cheap. not really much use but toys are always nice
[07:40] <ztonzy> and grab 1024x768 still images 16-bit
[07:41] <apokryphos> nice
[07:41] <buz> 16bit? yikes
[07:41] <ztonzy> and a simple mic comes with it
[07:41] <buz> but i got a proper 4mp cam anyway
[07:41] <ztonzy> buz, but that's only for stills
[07:41] <ztonzy> not live feed
[07:41] <apokryphos> Our feeble one is only 2mp; will need to look around for a better one soon.
[07:41] <buz> 1024*768 would be nearly hdtv ;-)
[07:41] <buz> i rarely ever use mine
[07:41] <buz> was one of those items i had to have but for what...
[07:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yes, that webcam seems very cheap on ebay. Under 20 -- very cheap.
[07:42] <ztonzy> manual DOF 15 cm (6 inches) to infinity
[07:42] <apokryphos> buz: why, for taking random images, of course ;-). Images of friends/events/situations. Always good to have handy
[07:43] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :)
[07:43] <buz> i'm too lazy to carry mine with me
[07:43] <ztonzy> and Field-of-View:  40 degrees +/- 5% (horisontal)
[07:43] <buz> i have a camera phone and don't use the cam, either
[07:44] <apokryphos> I'd use mine more if it would hold more memory. I can only have around 40/50 images. Apart from that, it's pretty good; bluetooth is handy.
[07:44] <buz> i have 128mb stick in it
[07:44] <buz> why i don't really know ;-)
[07:44] <buz> probably because it came with it LOL
[07:44] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:44] <buz> could also use it as mp3 player but the ipod is handier for that
[07:45] <buz> and the headphones truly suck
[07:45] <apokryphos> buz: waiting for mine to come today :D
[07:45] <buz> batteries suck donkey ass tho
[07:45] <buz> i wouldn't buy it again for that reason
[07:45] <ztonzy> I bought a Fuji Finepix A340...it is okey...but I regret the buy, cause I want one with more features and more settings and so....but it has to do for now
[07:45] <buz> besides, WTF really needs 30gb of mp3 with him
[07:45] <apokryphos> which means it'll come tomorrow. :(
[07:45] <ztonzy> little expensive memorytype: xD
[07:46] <buz> as long as you don't buy a sony cam ;-)
[07:46] <apokryphos> or an Olympus one 
[07:46] <ztonzy> oh, I was almost getting such one
[07:46] <ztonzy> why not olympus ?
[07:46] <buz> i can't stand sony
[07:47] <buz> they do decent phones but else i hate the company
[07:47] <buz> it's like the MS of consumer electronics
[07:47] <buz> always need their own, overpriced crap
[07:47] <apokryphos> ztonzy: well, I'm stereotyping here :P. Our one isn't too good; though it's a very old one.
[07:47] <ztonzy> heh....they wouldnt be making that good phones if it werent for Ericsson ;)
[07:47] <buz> well, ericsson didn't really make any good phones before they merged
[07:48] <apokryphos> Mine's an Ericsson ;)
[07:48] <buz> my brother had a t29i break 4 times in 8 months
[07:48] <ztonzy> buz, the technology was their side...and not design/ui
[07:48] <buz> well starting with t68 they overtook nokia IMHO
[07:49] <buz> nokia only more sells very weird phones
[07:49] <buz> another toy that's not really needed, there
[07:49] <ztonzy> I have two old nokia that's crap...they started to get weak..so I bought a Siemens M50...and that one too now seems to start to get strange errors...seems they make phones only to last 2 years!
[07:49] <buz> 2 years is pretty long actually. most phones survive about the warranty period then break ;-)
[07:49] <ztonzy> heh
[07:49] <buz> but siemens makes crappy phones anyway
[07:50] <buz> very very weird ui
[07:50] <apokryphos> buga: t68 is me. Though, new Nokias seem far too powerful these days
[07:50] <ztonzy> buz, maybe...so you mean my phone is over its time :p ?
[07:50] <buz> yeah
[07:50] <apokryphos> 2mp cameras on the phones! Heh.
[07:50] <ztonzy> buz, you do get used to the ui
[07:50] <buz> you've got a free ride  for 9months ;-)
[07:50] <ztonzy> hehe
[07:50] <buz> apokryphos: samsung has a SEVEN mp phone in korea
[07:50] <apokryphos> alsjfdasd
[07:50] <ztonzy> buz, so I read!
[07:50] <buz> WTF needs that,. like it's any good with that small lens
[07:50] <apokryphos> Yeouch
[07:51] <buz> but the asians are pretty crazy about that stuff anyhow
[07:51] <apokryphos> Going to Japan'll just show you what things'll be out here in a few years time
[07:52] <apokryphos> Pacey-technology
[07:52] <buz> mhh i hope not
[07:52] <buz> technology is good, but their lifestyle i wouldnt want
[07:52] <apokryphos> buz: I meant technology-wise ;-)
[07:53] <buz> friend of mine was recently there
[07:53] <buz> got 128k flat rate wireless for 20$ a month
[07:53] <buz> and in switzerland i'm supposed to pay 7E per mb traffic over gprs WTF
[07:54] <apokryphos> gprs?
[07:54] <buz> ip over GSM if you want
[07:54] <buz> does something like 64K or so
[07:55] <buz> anyway, i'll be gone
[07:55] <apokryphos> heh
[07:56] <ztonzy> hey
[07:57] <ztonzy> wanna show you something if it is okey..played a bit with animation earlier today...just using the bonerigg
[07:57] <ztonzy> http://hem.bredband.net/b311031/tmp/walk_cycle_test.avi
[07:57] <ztonzy> just a quick test to warm up old knowledge :)
[07:58] <apokryphos> gonna try it now 
[07:58] <apokryphos> ;)
[07:58] <ztonzy> hehe
[07:59] <apokryphos> Hm, I can't see anything. This kcontrol x composite stuff might be interfering; hold on.
[08:00] <ztonzy> apokryphos, my file ?
[08:00] <apokryphos> Coool. Very lifelike 
[08:00] <amiroff> guys, it seems like there are a bunch of KDE updates today, how can I see the changelog?
[08:01] <apokryphos> amiroff: don't update :P. There's a few probs.
[08:01] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hehe thanks...will work more on it...maybe I use it on a character later...sorry for the "jump" at the end...dont know why it does it like that
[08:01] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Reminds me of a "chocobo". They were big-birds in a game I played not so long ago
[08:01] <amiroff> apokryphos: joking right? :)
[08:01] <ztonzy> apokryphos, haha...small long legs ?
[08:02] <apokryphos> amiroff: no, serious. Problems with it not remembering the kde settings. Nothing critical, but not a good idea to update.
[08:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: http://images.google.com/images?q=chocobos&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search has a few good pics
[08:03] <amiroff> apokryphos: ok, and what to not update? kdelibs ? maybe I should update my kdepim?
[08:04] <apokryphos> Yeah, probably avoid core stuff like that. I haven't had any problems with kdepim, so it should be fine to do just that, as long as it doesn't pull in the other stuff..
[08:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos, aah I see
[08:10] <ztonzy> :)
[08:11] <apokryphos> ztonzy: that's all from blender, I guess?
[08:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos, the animation I did?  yes :)
[08:12] <apokryphos> Nice; many capabilities.
[08:12] <ztonzy> sure...there's many people that doesn't know how powerful blender really are...and it is getting better and better
[08:13] <apokryphos> :)
[08:13] <ztonzy> the animation system will get a overhaul...dunno when it will happen...right now they are working hard to end the transform part inside blender...cleaner and more up to date and modern, with widgets too! :)
[08:43] <Sopur> kan iemand me helpen ?
[08:44] <Sopur> ?
[08:46] <[fab] > Sopur: speak english
[08:46] <[fab] > please :)
[08:47] <Sopur> i dont typ english               :(
[08:48] <Sopur> Kmail is not in my menu ???????????
[08:48] <[fab] > Sopur: Kontact 
[08:49] <[fab] > anyway ... I have to go now
[08:50] <[fab] > Sopur: tip .. kijk eens op #kde-nl voor nederlanders die KDE gebruiken
[08:50] <Slike> hello, i still can't get online (wireless) with kubuntu...i'm using a centrino with ipw2100, the card works correctly, kwifimanager sees the network, but I don't get an ip....
[08:58] <anna> Hello, I believe I found a kdm bug, can you confirm?
[08:59] <anna> Since kdm has lowered startup priority, after bootup, I have too little colors, looks like 256
[09:00] <anna> When I move the link to S13kdm to S21kdm this went away
[09:00] <anna> I suspect either powernowd or acpid must run before kdm
[09:24] <haggai> anna: I don't think it could be either of those two that causes the problem.  At least, I can't think of any reason why one of those should cause it
[09:25] <haggai> anna: but I have heard of similar problems before, so its not just your system that has this
[09:25] <hitriko> hey guys i'm trying to install the offical bittorrent client and for some reason it's not working
[09:25] <hitriko> someone help me plz
[09:57] <LikesHisLunch> Hi ... i'm running KDE 3.4 on Ubuntu Hoary... how does Kcontrol populate itself with modules - because mine is empty except for "Internet & Network", and that itself is empty.
[09:58] <apokryphos> LikesHisLunch: I think it's the kdelibs-data package. I had that problem some time ago
[09:59] <LikesHisLunch> apokryphos: interesting.... i'll try reinstalling that...
[10:01] <LikesHisLunch> hmm ... didn't do much
[10:02] <LikesHisLunch> does anyone know what directory KControl gets its modules from?
[10:02] <apokryphos> It didn't work for me too. I ended up having to reinstall my whole KDE.
[10:02] <apokryphos> did this come from a fresh install of kde? Recent?
[10:03] <LikesHisLunch> yeah -- i've reinstalled the whole of KDE two or three times now
[10:03] <LikesHisLunch> it used to work
[10:04] <apokryphos> LikesHisLunch: I can only recommend removing kdelibs completely, and then reinstalling if you haven't tried it already. (that's what I had to do).
[10:04] <apokryphos> not just the "reinstall" that synaptic provides. Problem is it'll remove all your KDE packages
[10:06] <LikesHisLunch> yeah ... as i say i already tried reinstalling kde (actually i did the same too with most of gnome) so not sure what i'm doing wrong...
[10:07] <apokryphos> Also, could you try to see if you run kdesu kcontrol... see if that brings them up?
[10:08] <LikesHisLunch> apokryphos: yes - root kcontrol seems to be working
[10:08] <apokryphos> hmm
[10:08] <apokryphos> it's not really root's kcontrol, it's yours of course
[10:08] <apokryphos> (kdesu uses sudo)
[10:08] <LikesHisLunch> before reinstalling KDE i tried deleting my home .kde stuff but that didn't fix it...
[10:08] <LikesHisLunch> oh i see
[10:09] <LikesHisLunch> so is this really a permissions problem?
[10:09] <apokryphos> Perhaps. Try seeing if it's there with a new user as sredna suggests.
[10:10] <LikesHisLunch> apokryphos: will try... but will have to log off here ... see you later :)
[10:16] <LikesHisLunch> apokryphos: hi same problem with a new user :(
[10:16] <apokryphos> hm
[10:19] <apokryphos> Ok, I think it's best that you compile a bug report on buzgilla.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <apokryphos> To clarify, you have definitely tried (i) completely removing KDE, and then (ii) installing kde stuff.
[10:19] <LikesHisLunch> yep ... that's definitely been done
[10:20] <apokryphos> and you're only using the main repositories here for your installation?
[10:20] <LikesHisLunch> for KDE ... yes
[10:20] <LikesHisLunch> but it's possible that the system could be misconfigured in some other way
[10:20] <apokryphos> first line of dpkg -l | grep kdelibs?
[10:21] <LikesHisLunch> ii  kdelibs        3.4.0-0ubuntu3 KDE core libraries metapackage
[10:21] <apokryphos> ok
[10:21] <anna> haggai: thanks for the response
[10:22] <anna> haggai: But I can reproduce it at least
[10:23] <LikesHisLunch> i was trying to find out exactly what .desktop files KControl uses to populate itself with modules, to see if there's anything odd about them on my installation
[10:24] <apokryphos> the stuff is there; your sudo can see it. It just can't access it for some reason.
[10:25] <LikesHisLunch> yes... which makes me wonder whether the .desktop files in question have the wrong permissions
[10:28] <saif> hello all
[10:28] <saif> does any1 know of a program for ubuntu that works like dvd decrupter for windows??
[10:28] <saif> removes all region protection and any kind of protection for dvd ripping?
[10:34] <apokryphos> LikesHisLunch: might wanna see if any stuff from http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19648 helps
[11:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos, do you know if Kopete ever will get webcam capabilities ?
[11:13] <apokryphos> ztonzy: They've suggested that they plan on implementing it, but that it's a feature that will take quite some time; long in the future apparently. I believe the quote from them was "don't hold your breath". ;-)
[11:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos, heh
[11:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I am trying to see if it will work with gaim-vv
[11:16] <ztonzy> all compiled and installed okey...but I am in a chat now so I cant just test it
[11:17] <apokryphos> oh. Have Gaim implemented it? I heard talk, but I don't really know of anything.
[11:18] <ztonzy> apokryphos, no...it is another branch of gaim, seperate
[11:18] <ztonzy> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[11:20] <apokryphos> oh
[11:21] <apokryphos> cool
[11:24] <ztonzy> hehe
[11:24] <ztonzy> last time I tried it didnt work too good...maybe progress now, who knows ?
[11:26] <apokryphos> Yup; I might give it a trial run tomorrow
[11:28] <ztonzy> apokryphos, got a cam ;) ?
[11:28] <apokryphos> Well, yeah. Haven't tried it on Ubuntu (or my previous distro, Fedora, for that matter). Will have to shake the dust off it and get it out
[11:29] <ztonzy> what model ?
[11:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: oh, Logitech
[11:35] <ztonzy> yah...but model? old ?
[11:36] <apokryphos> Old = yes ;)
[11:36] <apokryphos> no idea of the actual model name; showed you a pic last time on google images, remember/
[11:37] <apokryphos> here it is: http://images.techsunny.com/www.techsunny.com/Logitech-QuickCam-B.jpg
[11:39] <ztonzy> yes
[11:39] <ztonzy> hehe
[11:39] <ztonzy> I am sure it *will* work!
[11:40] <ztonzy> actually...I even think the newest kernels have built in support for that model ;)
[11:43] <apokryphos> cool
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> man - what's the point of the kde xorg composite effects if my damn Athlon 64 3400 can't handle em? :)
[11:55] <chavo> LeeJunFan, what video card?
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> radeon 9700
[11:55] <chavo> they run great here. I have an XP 1800+ and a geForce 4
[11:55] <chavo> ah ATI
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> huh, prolly don't have fglrx right.
[11:56] <chavo> no it's not the glx driver.
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> I wouldn't think so. But jeez :) maybe the fglrx driver will do better even though it's not really a GL problem.
[11:57] <apokryphos> it's very very nice with nvidia acceleration, for the record. :)
[11:57] <pv> fglrx does not afaik have composite acceleration
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: shut up - I just spent $2000 on this lappy :)
[11:58] <apokryphos> ouch ;). Sounds very nice by the sound of the setup though
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: yeah it's nice. Does all the windows game playing fine. Unfortunately I have this feeling of nausea every time I boot windows so even though I want to play a game I avoid it because I hve to boot win.
[12:00] <apokryphos> That's a good thing 8)