=== silver- [~i@adsl-066-156-092-025.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:11] hi, i upgraded from ubuntu with apt-get, and it's really crashy, is that normal? === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === Ascareg [~bsherman@host-65-125-133-211.iowai.org] has left #kubuntu [] [12:12] silver-: nope [12:13] :( === mfoxela [~legolas@port-212-202-8-100.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@148.sub-70-213-109.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === geneo93 [~kane@1Cust4670.an4.det15.da.uu.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:21] silver: "from" ubuntu? to what? [12:21] has anyone had any luck with kppp [12:21] ah. kubuntu. sorry [12:21] i'm a bit slow this evening [12:23] it connects but the handsake dont go [12:24] are there any gtk themes with transparency and drop shadows? [12:25] you need to enable composites in xorg.conf to get that [12:25] it's not theme based [12:25] i see [12:26] for basic transparency? [12:27] what do you mean "basic"? [12:28] everything transparent, not just windows in the background === silver- [~i@adsl-066-156-092-025.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:28] it's configurable from the KDE control panel [12:28] for all themes [12:28] i don't use KDE [12:28] i use fluxbox with gtk themes [12:29] ermm, well you're kind of in the wrong channel ;) [12:29] #kubuntu is for Ubuntu with KDE [12:29] hmm? [12:29] i see === Telep_ is now known as Telep [12:29] you want #ubuntu i think.. === LeeJunFan [~junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu === elsewhere_ [~meh@12-207-129-183.client.mchsi.com] has left #kubuntu ["oh] [12:36] anyone got flash player working in amd64 === lytefyre [~lytefyre@cpe-24-58-21-200.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:38] ? [12:38] does anyone know how to set up apache in kubuntu ?. [12:39] lytefyre: apt-get install apache [12:39] install via knypatic ? [12:40] ive g apache2 [12:40] but not able to set it up === silver- [~i@adsl-066-156-092-025.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:43] apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 ..anything i miss ?? [12:43] apt-get cannnot find package apache [12:44] use synaptic and search for apache [12:45] Rebroad: do u mean kynaptic ? [12:45] lytefyre, apt-get install synaptic [12:46] chavo : apt-get says no installation candidate [12:46] Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. === silver- [~i@adsl-066-156-092-025.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:49] translucency and shadows are really slow, even with an nvidia 6600GT and renderaccel on. can anyone help me? === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:13] anyone know where to find the executable apache2 ?? [01:14] in the preview release that is [01:15] lytefyre: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ is your friend === brainkilla [~petar@217.26.66.151] has joined #kubuntu [01:18] hey [01:18] any kubuntu devs in here? [01:19] coz I got a few problems I would like to discuss ;) === Riddell puts hand up nervously [01:20] Riddell, I suppose you're the one ;) [01:21] that'll be me [01:21] Riddell : I have installed apache through kynaptic and apache2ctl still complains ..any ideas ? [01:21] first and foremost, pppd and kernel are not doing their job correctly [01:22] I was unable to connect thru modem, until I installed ubuntu warty's kernel [01:22] lytefyre, brainkilla: these are both general ubuntu issues, you would be better trying #ubuntu or ubuntu-users mailing list [01:23] lytefyre: but I'd try /etc/init.d/apache2 [01:23] sorry, I realised that you guys were part of the ubuntu team... [01:23] brainkilla: interesting though, I've heard a few complaints about kppp, now I can just blame ubuntu [01:23] it's ubuntu definetly... [01:24] and some smartass over there put lt_modem and lt_serial in the kernel... [01:24] thanks Riddell will try there ! [01:24] which is major BS imho [01:24] I have a Lucent soft modem btw === Locutus1234 [~dstahan@MTL-HSE-ppp177367.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [01:25] warty kernel, my own modules and kppp brought me here ;) [01:25] so it's not kppp [01:26] Can warty be upgraded to kubuntu? [01:27] Locutus1234: you can do warty -> ubu hoary -> kubuntu, yes. [01:27] Locutus1234: the only current available kde version in Warty is 3.2, however. In hoary 3.4 is out. Please see: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE [01:28] Do you recommend doing the upgrade from synaptico or through apt? [01:28] Locutus1234: There's no difference; they're the same thing. Synaptic is the GUI front-end of apt. [01:28] quicker on command-line though === smouche [~smouched@24-90-94-112.nyc.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@148.sub-70-213-109.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === Mestapheles [~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:56] Is anyone having a problem with konqueror crashing frequently, especially when viewing images? [01:57] I'm using amd64, 500 mb ram [02:01] are there other programs beside apache that i can use to set up a web server ?? === silver [~nobody@adsl-066-156-092-025.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [02:11] hmmm, I've lost all my icons on my bottom bar :\ === newbie_ [~nobody@adsl-066-156-092-025.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === newbie_ is now known as silver === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [02:16] membreya: what buttons? Shortcut to applications? [02:17] apokryphos: all of them, the kde menu, shortcuts..my system tray [02:17] woohoo [02:17] I was playing with the kernel and then it said it couldn't load applet, so I reloaded my old kernel and now the menus are gone :\ [02:17] membreya: is the whole panel gone, or is the panel (kicker) there with all those missing? [02:18] the panel is still there, just blank (except for my shortcut to thunderbird) [02:19] Anything under ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker? === brainkilla [~chatzilla@217.26.66.133] has joined #kubuntu [02:20] under ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker .. I have nothing :| there are other apps there..just not kicker [02:20] eek [02:21] ya :\ === membreya dances.. I broke kde doo dah [02:21] so what should I do ? [02:22] I really don't know why kernel problem would kill your kicker. Do you wanna try dist-upgrading? [02:22] it's only installing kmail, gnupg agent, libpth2 and pinentry-qt [02:22] :\ [02:22] if you've got a late version, then it might be worth trying to reinstall kdelibs/base. I'm clutching at straws here though... I recommend asking in #kde. [02:24] I don't actually think the folder is vital or anything [02:24] it really essentially contains only the shortcuts to apps [02:25] but .. I have no menu! :P lol [02:26] Try adding it [02:26] Right Click on kicker [02:26] Add to Panel [02:28] looks ugly, getting help in #kde..they're saying it's nothing to do with kicker [02:28] Kicker is the whole bottom panel... they're saying it's not to do with that folder, sure. :) [02:28] Like I said, it was only for shortcut to apps etc. [02:29] try adding them.. that work? [02:30] Does anyone know why amarok won't play my network files? It seems to load them, but won't play [02:35] talking about amarok, it gives me really choppy sound... [02:35] juk also... === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~BROKEN@h-68-164-168-3.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === GNAM [h4mburg3r@host134-241.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu === hayden [~hayden@203-219-130-10-qld.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [03:07] I DIDN'T change anything, and all of a sudden my multi-media shortcuts work. [03:07] weird. === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.186.233] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [incubii@cor9-ppp2381.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [03:24] how can i install X11 cursor themes? [03:25] dunno, are their packages for them ? [03:25] no [03:25] got me stuffed, ive never needed to install anythign that wasnt from the repositories [03:26] mm [03:26] i know in gnome u could use gcursors but im not sure about in kde === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [03:27] http://wiki.tryphon.org/How_to_install_X11_cursors [03:30] hope that helps === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [03:32] yep [03:33] trying to still fixed the fucked xserver of mine [03:33] if i restart it at 24bit its fine but on bootup its not, all multicolored [03:33] tried modelines to no avail [03:33] really shitting me off === Bicchi [~chatzilla@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:53] so other than kubuntu using kde is there a difference from installing ubuntu first and then kde? [03:55] dont really think so [03:55] but id say you would have both gnome and kde that way [03:56] i thought that the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu was having kde vs gnome === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:01] how do you control the login/logoff sounds in kde? :\ === Amesius [Amesius@13.mnrt1.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #kubuntu === bhsx [~ubuntu@c-67-175-142-179.client.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:08] very nice === Bicchi [~chatzilla@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #kubuntu [] [04:09] kubuntu doesn't install the nvidia drivers? === bhsx is on live cd [04:12] is there a easy way to install from the live cd, or do I have to download the other .iso? === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:12] bhsx, there's a way to do it, but I recommend the install iso [04:13] k.... you mean other than just using dd? ;) [04:13] actually I used rsync [04:13] and i'll just be able to apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade?? [04:14] when it's out of beta, that is === Owner_ [~Owner@c-67-175-142-179.client.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Owner_ is now known as bhsx2 [04:15] ok, downloading it now [04:16] any tips/tricks to bring it up to speed as far as mplayer/codecs and such is concerned? or nvidia driver support? === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:16] java isn't installed is it? === katz_ [~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu === hayden [~hayden@203-219-130-10-qld.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:21] how can i make an icon of a samba share appear on the desktop when i mount a samba share? === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:25] hayden, go to Control Center -> Desktop -> Behaviour [04:25] click on the device icons tab [04:25] then show device icons [04:26] ok thanks [04:29] would that show a mounted share if i use this to mount it, sudo mount //host/share /home/mnt/share -t smbfs -o umask=0 ? [04:29] hayden, I believe it has to be in /etc/fstab [04:29] ok thats what i thought [04:29] because this is my laptop, im not always on my home network [04:29] so i dont always want to try to mount the shares [04:33] yeah just tried it here, commented out the samba shares in fstab and the icons went away [04:37] ok === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === Roey [~knoppix@pcp04370251pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:54] hi [04:54] does LILO have a problem booting amd64 kernels or something?? [04:55] I've tried three different kernels on three different drives and they all give the same PANIC message. === croplogic [~croplogic@c-69-180-188-97.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:10] how do i install flash player for konqueror? === smouche [~smouched@24-90-94-112.nyc.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:11] hi smouche [05:11] smouche: does lilo have some sort of problem loading amd64 kernels?? [05:12] grub worked fine as installed -- but the moment after I install lilo on the MBR, reboot, and selec the kernel, it spits out a kernel panic [05:14] Hi Roey [05:14] Sorry, I never used lilo === ttf_ [~tom@p83.129.17.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu [05:15] ok [05:15] no one ever uses lilo eh? [05:15] how about this [05:15] smouche: can grub use / if it is raid1 ?? [05:15] smouche: and how do I install grub on a disk with grub-install? [05:15] (i.e. rewrite it over lilo) [05:16] heh, got me again, Roey. I don't use raid1. I am one primitive damn non-techie [05:16] it's fine.. [05:16] how do youjust install grub? === claydoh is now known as claydoh|hl2 [05:17] how do i install flash player for konqueror?? [05:20] how do we entice (k)ubuntu experts, devs in here?? [05:20] heh heh === alm [~babybert@c-67-175-182-133.client.comcast.net] has joined #Kubuntu [05:20] kubuntu seems a little less active than plain old #ubuntu [05:21] yeah [05:22] 45 people vs 357, of course it's less active :P [05:23] Well, obviously kubuntu folks just don't have issues ... ;-) [05:23] :P [05:24] every time I dist-upgrade, I keep hoping that konqueror will magically cease crashing constantly. [05:24] not pleased with this [05:25] what's wrong with konqueror ? [05:26] I don't know, it's crashing very frequently, especially when viewing any kind of image file [05:26] hmmm, mines going psychotic when I click links, but apart from that [05:28] I seem to be ok with web-browsing; it's the file browser that's screwed [05:28] I need to check for bug reports on this, or file one. === bradh [user34@CPE-61-9-204-42.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [05:47] Hmm, is there somewhere I can rsync from to fix my broken .iso? === Walski [~Walski@202.46.143.9] has joined #kubuntu === _chavo [~chavo@44.sub-70-213-94.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === SuperL4g [~aaron@SuperLag.developer.gentoo] has joined #kubuntu [06:11] How goes it, gentlemen? === incubii [incubii@cor9-ppp2381.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === Rebroad [~rebroad@client-82-3-244-21.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:24] i am thinking about getting an x800 ati all-in-wonder... any experience with them in here? [06:25] i am afraid of the noise and heat involved with high performance nvidia cards... so i thought now would be a good time to switch [06:26] dimma1: it has been my experience that ATIs aren't worth the hassle it takes to get them configured [06:27] damn... recommend a high performance nvidia card that isn't an asshole? [06:28] dimma1: I have a GeForce FX 5200 in my Gentoo box. [06:28] It rocks. [06:28] 128MB [06:28] dual head [06:28] i am using one of those right now [06:29] same card? [06:29] no dvi out on mine [06:29] nor mine [06:29] i would like dvi for my lcd display [06:32] I'd go for one of the higher-end models then [06:32] which one, exactly, I'm not sure because this is the best video card I've owned [06:33] haven't got any newer model yet [06:43] can you do a bootsplash with yaboot? [06:43] haven't tried === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === Amesius [Amesius@13.mnrt1.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #kubuntu === pepsi [~pepsi@72-254-55-244.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu === raphinou [~kvirc@bidibule.office.be.easynet.net] has joined #kubuntu === neom [neom@neom.ca] has joined #kubuntu === je4d [~je4d@je4d.developer.kde] has joined #kubuntu === amu [amu@195.227.106.194] has joined #kubuntu === xxenon [xxenon@81.13.238.141] has joined #kubuntu === rzei [~rzei@62-237-147-189.hpna.wlannet.com] has joined #kubuntu === HIghoS [highos@highos.com] has joined #kubuntu === Mestapheles [~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu === phox- [~phox@pk230.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu === Mestapheles [~Captain@142.59.231.163] has joined #kubuntu === markc [~markc@CPE-203-45-215-4.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === hunger_ [~hunger@pD954AFC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === Tugg [~amanda@c-24-18-75-18.client.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Tugg is now known as Tuggy === Tuggy is now known as Liberal_Tugboat === Liberal_Tugboat [~amanda@c-24-18-75-18.client.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === ka_ka [~internet@c117065.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [08:15] whats the name of the windows-switcher on the panel? [08:17] well... a 38 second window to answer that one [08:17] it has a name? === delltony [~delltony@c-24-99-11-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:28] after doing a upgrade i get the following error on kde startup can not load kde panel [08:28] any suggestions? === peca|work [~peca@82.202.116.207] has joined #kubuntu === froud-away is now known as froud === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === delltony [~delltony@c-24-99-11-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:38] any reason why the taskbar (panel) doesn't work anymore? === peca|work [~peca@82.202.116.207] has left #kubuntu ["Ukonuji"] === phox- [~phox@pk230.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has left #kubuntu [] === ttf_ is now known as ttf === Mestapheles [~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [09:35] hi anyone around ? [09:35] i ask cause its late === Verwilst [~verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu === Imsdlea [~Imsdle@203.184.2.65] has joined #kubuntu === froud is now known as froud-work [09:50] hello.. how do you edit the sources.list [09:50] sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list [09:52] work? [09:54] YES thank you [09:54] i am trying to change my desktop to KDE? as i have an old 500mhz computer and it struggles a little.. i have 512mb of ram in it [09:54] but its still a little slow [09:55] i don't recommend kde on a slow system [09:55] but others may have a different view [09:55] really [09:55] oh [09:55] really kde is for higher end pcs [09:55] if you have a older pc id personally do the following [09:55] id install fluxbox [09:56] which is a wm instead of a dm === hayden [~hayden@203-219-130-10-qld.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [09:57] flux is very minimal but you can customize it to look really cool with gtdesklets and idesklets (i think thats the one ofr icons) and so forth [09:57] i use it on my p3 450 [09:57] and it runs great [09:58] excuss my ignorance but is it a total package? [09:58] what flux? [09:58] flux is a window manager [09:58] i'm sure your familar with good ol winblows, if so ill use the reference [09:58] fluxbox is like windows 3.1 [09:58] kde is like xp [09:59] fluxbox uses more of the shell witha gui for things like launchers and all [09:59] kde does to the most part all the work for you [09:59] someone can correct me if i'm wrong but thats how i see it [09:59] thats right [10:00] so i can run flux on a ubuntu system [10:00] ? [10:00] sure [10:00] ok [10:00] how do i change [10:00] sudo apt-get install fluxbox [10:00] iirc [10:00] do a apt-cache search fluxbox [10:00] for the actual package name [10:01] or look in synaptic [10:01] now when you load up flux you know that thing called session [10:01] on ubuntu [10:01] like when you are at the login screen? [10:01] you need to change it to fluxbox instead of gnome or kde [10:01] yes [10:02] it will then ask you if you want it as the default or whatever you can hit yes [10:03] ok [10:03] does anyone use Silver or Gold XCursors 3D? [10:03] i don't [10:03] hmm [10:03] and hey hayden i have a question for you [10:03] yea [10:03] right click on the gear on 3.4 (have you upgraded as in the last few mins? [10:04] if so right click on the gear and tell me if menu editor works [10:04] mine is borked [10:04] i havent upgraded [10:04] but i can add menu by right clickin on a menu item off the menu [10:04] i reinstalled kubuntu from the preview release disc [10:04] oh ok [10:05] i just did a dist-upgrade [10:05] should i set my universals to hoary or warty for fluxbox? [10:05] i cant get to the menu editor from right clicking on the K [10:05] but i can if i right click on something inside the K menu [10:05] lmsdlea: have u got ubuntu installed already? [10:06] same here [10:06] thats the issue i'm having [10:06] so its not just me thats good to know [10:06] yes im running ubunty now.. installed it on my wife's pc after i couldn't keep windows clean.. been great for 3 months with no changes! my digital camera even plugged and played! i am sold.. [10:07] ok [10:07] Imsdlea, what version warty or hoary? [10:07] did u install from the preview release disc of ubuntu? [10:07] ubuntu hoary* [10:07] then you want hoary repositories [10:07] has array 7 came out yet? [10:08] im not sure [10:08] i have no idea.. how do i check.... i have installed itfrom the install version months ago and done regular updates [10:08] uname -a [10:08] well actually sorry [10:08] thats nto correct [10:08] UTC 2004 i586 GNU/Linux [10:08] ???????????????? [10:09] nah that doesnt tell ya [10:09] yeah that was incorrect [10:09] i don't know what hte command is to tell what version of ubuntu your using [10:09] Is there any estimation yet when the kdepim will be uploaded? === hunger_ is now known as hunger === dimmak [~rroper@lsanca1-ar55-4-65-118-030.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:10] hmm i figured it would be in /etc/motd but its not [10:10] lmsdlea: im not sure how to check thru a terminal, but u can type this 'sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list' and see read the first line [10:11] type cat /etc/issue [10:11] deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / [10:11] yea [10:11] your using warty [10:11] not hoary [10:11] so use warty repositories [10:11] ya [10:11] and preview? [10:12] on warty? [10:12] damn thats olddddddddddddddd [10:12] ya [10:13] ? [10:13] i know dist-upgrade is suppose to upgrade you to hoary [10:13] but [10:13] i wouldn't recommend it from personal experience [10:13] cause if yo have used backports [10:13] and other unofficial sources [10:14] it will bork you [10:14] been there done that [10:14] you end up having dependency issues [10:14] delltony: You can't have apt reinstall everything just to make sure? [10:14] damn dail up 55mb.. might have to take it into work [10:14] i haven't tried that [10:15] i just gave up after 4 tries of upgrading [10:15] i just did a full clean install of hoary [10:15] i even tried it with a fresh copy of warty clean installed then ran dist-upgrade didn't work [10:15] had broken packages and x would not start [10:15] delltony: Outch, that is really bad. [10:16] yeah its noted all thru bugzilla [10:16] or was [10:16] delltony: Never saw that with a vanilla debian.... [10:16] how can you cancel certain downloads on dist-upgrade i don't need codecs [10:16] Imsdlea, as i stated i woldn't recommend dist-upgrade [10:16] cause i can almost be certain from warty to hoary it will bork it === Imsdlea hits ctrlc [10:17] but things may have changed from array 5 to preview [10:17] Hmmm.... maybe I should stick with debian then:-) [10:17] it didn't work on array 5 4 tims for me [10:17] plus you'll probably download as much upgrading as you would if u just downloaded the preview release iso [10:17] well once its updated and working its fine [10:17] I do not want to reinstall once I got a distro I like. [10:17] well here is a hint [10:18] HOARY IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT [10:18] so DON'T dist-upgrade to it [10:18] until its released [10:18] just a personal opinion [10:18] unless your like me and willing to risk it [10:19] the major issue i think with upgrading is the fact your going from xfree86config to xorg [10:19] at least thats what i believe borked my deal [10:19] not certain [10:19] delltony: I usully don't distupgrade anyway... no need when doing daily upgrades. [10:19] same here [10:20] only dist-upgrade when there is a new release [10:20] as in array 6 to array 7 [10:20] and however bad kubuntu might bork the upgrades: It will be better than gentoo. === hunger never made a bigger mistake then when he replaced his debian with gentoo. [10:21] gentoo i hate [10:21] but thats a persornal opinion [10:21] emerge this emerge that [10:21] blah [10:21] delltony: I was bored out of my tree! I'll never do that mistake again. [10:22] hey wanna know a little trick [10:22] delltony: emerge is not worse than apt-get... it just takes ages instead of secounds to emerge. [10:22] do a locate on kside.png [10:22] then open up a image editor like gimp or whatever [10:22] and change the kde 3.4 to like i love linux or something [10:23] i put a girl with a thong as the gear on mine [10:23] ok im lost.. i currently running ubuntu............. i think i want to go to kubunu, but I turn left rather then right at fluxbox and ended up in a deadend street with kde.. [10:24] well if your running on a p3 500 its gonna be slow [10:24] but try it [10:24] kubuntu? [10:24] sure if thats what you like [10:24] delltony: I have people running kde3.3 on a Pentium 133 and they are happy with it... [10:24] ok [10:25] i just know it bogs my p3 450 down [10:25] k [10:25] but everyone is different i guess [10:25] It is *SLOW*, but they are not used to anything faster, so they do not care. [10:26] so... i have changed my sources.list with hoary rather then warty, now im running upgrade to get the files .. then i run apt-get kubuntu-desktop to change from ubuntu to kubuntu? [10:26] i just use fluxbox and its like a good ol slam bam thank you mam [10:26] :) [10:26] fast as hell on a slow system [10:26] back to flux box.. how do i download it.. [10:26] now on my highend system i use kde and love it [10:26] apt-get install fluxbox [10:26] or sudo synaptic [10:26] and do a search for fluxbox [10:27] delltony: Yeap... used to do that too... then switched to fvwm (you can turn of windows borders there) and then ended at KDE (without windows borders as well) [10:27] or better yet #fluxbox [10:27] you can turn off the window boders in flux too [10:28] i forget the command but i made a key toggle for it so the windows are transparent [10:28] delltony: Yeap. But I did not find a way to remove that menu at the border of the screen. I need my screen for my apps, not my WM. [10:28] i very seldom use my desktop [10:28] so i'm ont upto par on flux [10:28] i just run a image hosting server on it [10:29] oh that panel thing [10:29] delltony: I don't want my windows to vanish... I just don't want that bar telling me that this window is running mozilla (which I can see for myself just fine, thank you) [10:29] delltony: and I do not need these resize handles all around windows either. [10:30] yeah thats something that pissed me off wth flux === hayden [~hayden@203-219-130-10-qld.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [10:30] i didn't care for that either [10:30] but what i always do is this [10:30] i maxmize the screen [10:30] so you never see that thing [10:30] and then made a keybinding for the windows key [10:30] so it brings up the menu [10:30] delltony: The screen has such a stupid format for maximizing... [10:31] delltony what window theme and stuff do u use for kde? [10:31] and then i take and hold down the mouse and drag it to the thing [10:31] lipstick [10:31] delltony: The lines of text get way to long when maximizing a browser. [10:31] do u have a picture of ur desktop anywhere? [10:31] delltony: I usually have two windows next to each other. [10:31] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:31] fluxbox: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu4) but 1:3.4.2-2ubuntu1 is to be installed [10:32] sudo apt-get install libgcc1 [10:32]