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truluxbluefoxicy: join #ubuntu-hardened12:02
elmoKamion: btw, hoary-updates exists now :P12:05
Kamionelmo: ta, will implement in base-config12:05
Kamionwe want it on by default?12:05
elmoI think we should; we only don't in Debian because we have no control over it12:08
amumdz: just uploaded12:08
Kamionelmo: righto12:08
Kamiondoes hoary-updates require approval then?12:08
elmokamion: no, but we have mdz wielding the pain stick threateningly12:09
elmoand/or we can certainly implement some12:09
elmobut realistically the only thing that would have gone it for warty is the calendars which I think everyone can deal with12:10
elmogone in it12:10
mdzKamion: on by default, yes12:10
mdzI'm not sure there's really a point in separating security and updates, but it's what we've got12:11
elmomdz: I like it for servers, FWIW12:11
seb128elmo: I've uploaded an evolution package in warty-updates :p12:11
mdzelmo: can you think of anything we would put in warty-updates that would be a problem for servers?12:12
elmomdz: no, because I don't have evolution or desktop background on mine12:12
mdzelmo: I mean *-updates12:13
elmomdz: but if we used it for "bug fixes" to packages I do use on servers, I appreciate being able to distinguish between that and security fixes12:13
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elmobut hey, I'm also happy to merge them - suites aren't free in katie12:14
elmooh, speaking of, I should probably enable it in buildds too12:14
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Kamionsmurfix: whatever way you're uploading kbd-chooser, it keeps removing debian/po/templates.pot from the source package; could you please sort that out before your next upload? I'm going to fix it up now.12:17
Kamionit breaks translation statistics when that happens12:18
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mdzKamion: you have translation statistics for d-i?12:23
Kamionmdz: yes12:23
Kamionmdz: they're artifically low by about 240 per language at the moment; I'm waiting for rookery's mirror to update in order to fix that12:23
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kokewhen exactly does the update-manager turn grey??12:24
smurfixKamion: sorry -- will do.12:24
Kamionmdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po/statistics12:25
mvokoke: when apt is running12:25
elmomeh, silly powerpc is still building12:25
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kokemvo: I think it has a bug :)12:25
mvokoke: tell me 12:26
kokeit fades to grey when running pbuilder too :)12:26
=== smurfix doesn't exactly do anything special or different with these uploads, and will investigate
Kamionsmurfix: it almost looks like you have the file ignored in revision control or something12:26
mvokoke: interessting :)12:26
kokemvo: wait, not sure12:27
Kamionsmurfix: because I restored templates.pot in ubuntu11, and your ubuntu12 removed it again12:27
Kamionall it took was running debconf-updatepo12:27
kokeit got color before pbuilder finished12:27
kokeand now it says 7 updates when I know there are about 20012:27
smurfixKamion: don't re-upload yet12:27
Kamionsmurfix: I already have12:28
KamionI need working statistics and full translation files12:28
smurfixKamion: bah ;-) I just found a problem when people set the keymap multiple times12:28
Kamionsmurfix: ok, just please check debdiff between old and new .dscs before uploading :)12:28
smurfixKamion: I'll make sure to double-check next time12:28
mvokoke: strange. I just run pbuilder update and it does not affect the icon12:29
mdzsmurfix: by the way, I find it a bit awkward that when the user opts to select the keymap from a list, they end up back at the same menu, rather than continuing immediately12:29
mdzthe confirmation makes sense for the detected layout, but less so for selecting from the list12:30
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smurfixmdz: Two reasons -- they can check that the map is correct, and having a single exit point is a Good Thing imho. But if y'all think neither is a problem, sure, I can change it12:31
elmomdz: I think all 3 arches are done12:32
elmothey stopped buildding anyways12:32
smurfix(some places have different keymaps and people might not know which is the right one)12:32
elmoright upload.u.c's going away!12:32
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elmoOH DEAR LORD12:45
smurfixwhich one?12:46
elmo"/dev/hahasuckeryourscrewed has been mounted 30 times.  Please give over the rest of your life to waiting for the fsck to finish."12:46
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elmothat's all right, it's only a .5TB partition with something like 8% free12:46
elmoI'm sure it won't take long AT ALL12:46
smurfixreboot with init=/bin/sh, tune2fs, reboot again12:46
elmowon't that dirty the partition12:47
smurfixit's opened readonly as long as nothing needs to be fixed12:47
smurfixYou might dirty your root (dunno when that's switched to r/w), but I assume that's a bit smaller12:49
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elmoe2fsck needs an online check mode12:52
elmowho the hell's got time to sit through TB's worth of fscking?12:52
HrdwrBoBe2fsck isn't exactly what you'd call an enterprise class filesystem12:54
schweebI like XFS, but its recent problems with grub make it an annoyance to use12:55
lamontKamion: http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4111&n=1212:55
ograHrdwrBoB, my last 3TB fs was around 1999 :) i switched the array to xfs in 200012:55
HrdwrBoBahh cool :)12:56
ograand reiser was never an option, but the only alternative to xfs ;)12:57
HrdwrBoBthat is going to become more an issue12:57
HrdwrBoBesp as large arrays become more commodity items12:57
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zygaogra: not that I'm fs guru or something but why reiser was not an option?12:58
schweebback then reiser kinda had a knack for losing data12:58
schweebI know a couple people that got burned by it12:59
ograzyga, reiser is crack i dont let near my systems12:59
zenwhenreiser is pretty nice, stable and fast now12:59
zenwhen3.6 that is12:59
zenwhenI am not bothering with 4 yet12:59
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zygaogra: I see... I'm using reiser since last year only ;] 12:59
=== zyga is too young for this :P
zenwhenoh cool01:00
ograzyga, hans has a bad attitude to offer buggy stuff as stable....(he just tries it again with the new reiser)01:00
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zygaogra: reiser4 seemd nice except for /let's/mess/the/namespace 01:01
Kamionlamont: haha, excellent01:02
ograzyga, i know hans reiser and how is underpaied slaves have to work for him, i wouldnt touch anything from him before it has matured a while in the kernel tree where sane people have looked it over 01:02
lamontKamion: and true to form for that excellent news source.01:02
lamontKamion: OTOH, it's not exactly kind... :-)01:03
zygaogra: I remember hans' lively discussions on lkml about how r4 is great01:03
ograzyga, but that leaves me biased too much to try it anyway :)01:04
zygaogra: he did have a point, but in the end he was totally deaf to what people were saying01:04
ograyup, thats him... he cant bear critics01:04
zygaogra: it was more like he ignored it and started with the same argument all over01:05
zygaogra: but I pity him, there is no real sane way to do what he did with reiser401:05
ograzyga, thats what i mean when i say he cant bear critics01:05
zygaogra: well he could also start calling people names but he didn't :-)01:06
dholbachgood night... i'm off01:08
mvogood night dholbach 01:09
mdke night01:09
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Mitariohi everyone01:12
mvohey Mitario 01:13
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seb128time to sleep, 'night guys01:22
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lytefyreapache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ??01:29
zulewww...reiserfs4 i dont think so01:30
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Mitariogn mvo 01:44
ogranight mvo01:45
lamontmy bad.  exim01:45
mvonight Mitario, ogra and the rest of you01:45
mdzKamion: mini.iso has cdrom-detect on it, right?01:45
opinight guys01:46
Kamionmdz: mini.iso is just a format, not an image type; which architecture and directory are you referring to?01:51
mdzKamion: dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso01:52
Kamionoh, actually, all the Ubuntu mini.iso files are netboot01:52
Kamionmdz: no, it doesn't01:52
Kamionit netboots, it doesn't touch the CD after it boots from it01:53
Kamionmini.iso is just a handy format to carry the netboot kernel/initrd around in01:53
Kamionit's possible to build other mini.iso types (like monolithic), but generally only done for debugging01:54
mdzhelix is able to reproduce #1440 with preview, and I wondered if mini.iso could be used to re-test something more recent, without downloading another complete image01:56
Kamionmdz: she could try a netboot install and see if the CD shows up in /dev/cdroms/ after hardware detection02:01
Kamionmdz: not a bulletproof test, but it would be interesting, particularly if accompanied by a control test with the netboot kernel/initrd on the preview CD02:01
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Mitariogood night everyone02:06
Kamionpoo, busybox-cvs grep is missing half the useful options, like -x02:09
lamontthere.  exim fixed.02:14
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Kamion<joeyh> debconf-updatepo... also known as "I'm feeling unproductive today.02:27
Kamion        Please give me a huge diff to check in"02:27
Kamionseems particularly appropriate today02:27
Kamion$ dscdiff choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu11.dsc choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu12.dsc | wc -l02:27
schweebKamion: you're on the community council, right?02:36
Kamionschweeb: yeah02:39
lamontKamion: that's just poupdate?02:40
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Kamionlamont: pretty much02:40
schweebKamion: wiki said I should consult a CC member about becoming a ubuntu member... I threw myself on the agenda already at dholbach's recommendation... what else do I need to do to make it easier to happen, and when is the next meeting02:40
=== schweeb is looking to hopefully become a MOTU soon as well
Kamionschweeb: best thing you can do is link to a wiki page about yourself from the agenda, and make sure it has as many things on it that you've done for Ubuntu as you can02:41
Kamionschweeb: also, work with other Ubuntu folks until the date of the meeting so that they have good things to say about you02:42
schweebokay, done a pretty good job at that so far02:42
Kamionbasically give us enough evidence that you're good so that we don't have to defer you pending more evidence :)02:42
Kamionschweeb: next meeting's in two and a half weeks; it would have been a week earlier than that, but that's the day before Hoary releases and none of the CC members really wanted to have a meeting at that point02:43
schweebI fixed 2 pkgs yesterday and am probably getting a NEW package into universe (it's approved, just needs to be uploaded)02:43
schweebyea, I figured it'd be deferred02:43
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Kamionschweeb: we'll probably do membership and MOTU stuff at the same time, to catch up on backlog02:44
schweebok, cool02:44
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makoogra, mdz: the current system is that i keep a master list of signed cocs.. every time i modify it, i gpg sign it and put it in a place that elmo can check02:53
mdzmako: and you ping elmo when there's a new batch of entries to process?02:53
makoogra, mdz: however, after the last CC meeting, i think i'm going to put it somewhere public (people.u.c/~mako/)02:53
makoi haven't done it yet, it's only a 3 day old process :)02:54
makobut that's the idea02:54
mdzKamion: dscdiff?02:56
mdzKamion: any interesting changes to debian-cd recently?  I just pulled the hoary-live-amd64.iso I built earlier today, and it doesn't boot (doesn't even load isolinux)02:59
mdzmounts OK, looks OK, md5sums check out so far02:59
mdzsame test hardware as always02:59
mdzI burned an earlier image in the same drive, same media, earlier today, and it booted in the same box03:00
mdzguess I'll re-burn03:00
Kamionmdz: dscdiff is my alias for debdiff with different completion rules03:02
Kamionmdz: today I imported debian-cd into arch and switched little to using that03:02
mdzKamion: ooh, clever03:02
mdzdebdiff completion is pretty awkward considering its multiple invocations03:02
Kamionthe code should've stayed pretty much identical though; I was very very careful with diffs03:02
Kamionmdz: I also have debdiff-changes, and I made debdiff only complete on .debs03:03
mdzKamion: second burn boots fine; this media must be starting to go03:03
Kamionok, good, you had me worried there03:03
KamionI definitely want to hear about weird CD occurrences at the moment, despite all my paranoid diffing03:04
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mdzKamion: a tiny cosmetic thing that's been bugging me; when using kbd-chooser on amd64 and i386, I get "Dvorak", while on powerpc I get "dvorak"03:13
Kamionmdz: yes, USB keymap names are different (powerpc always uses the USB keymaps regardless of actual hardware) and I think kbd-chooser always selects the AT names rather than the USB names so the back-translation fails to happen03:15
Kamionor something like that03:15
KamionI get "uk" typically03:15
Kamionactually just translation rather than back-translation; "Dvorak" is en.po for "dvorak", but powerpc has "mac-usb-dvorak" and the translations will be taking place with reference to that set of msgids03:17
lamontKamion: looking at 3134 (libsmbclient.a is -fPIC), and thinking I don't much care - esp since I think I may have been the one that caused the -fPIC to get there in the first place...)03:22
Kamionlamont: I've totally forgotten whatever conversation I had with Steve about that :)03:24
lamontmore to the point, I figure we should fix it as soon as we snap the fixed version from sid...03:24
mdzhave none of you powerpc users noticed that pbbuttonsd doesn't have an lsb-ified init script?03:24
mdzlamont: is that in your ball of patches?03:24
lamontKamion: it's a symptomatic issue for libraries: they build the .o's once, and then build .a and .so.  is royal pain to fix.03:25
lamontmdz; checking03:25
lamont1580, btw03:25
lamontand not in the list, but should be.03:25
Kamionlamont: I can imagine. double-build, yay03:26
lamontKamion: exactly03:27
lamontand the simple fix is to just make a -fPIC .a :-)03:27
mdzlamont: mysql, squid, hpoj, tftpd-hpa, heartbeat, pbbuttonsd03:27
mdzlamont: those are the ones on my list03:27
mdzKamion: fwiw, powerpc and amd64 live cd tests were successful03:28
lamontmdz: will upload those tonight, assuming they don't make me run away screaming03:28
mdzlamont: the only ugly error left on the live CD is "none busy - remounting read-only"03:28
=== Kamion tries archive-copier test #4, hopefully final one in the battery
mdzlamont: have I mentioned how it scares the shit out of me for that to happen a few days before the release candidate?03:28
lamontmdz: yeah. hence they must be trivial.03:29
KamionEnglish normal (no question), German normal (question, answered yes, l-s-* installed), German server (no question), German normal (question, will answer no, shouldn't install l-s-*)03:29
lamontand mysql-server qualifies as more scary than I like03:30
bluefoxicythe gnome devs are gonna be pissed at me; I edited MemoryReduction on the wiki like 6 times, and every time it e-mails like 10 people, who now have been spammed to hell.03:33
schweebbluefoxicy: isn't that a bit OT for #ubuntu-devel ?03:33
bluefoxicyschweeb:  yes.  I just felt like saying it, because people will claim it's OT, then i'll shut up, and somebody might spend the next 5 days wondering wtf I'm smoking :)03:35
adobbieschweeb: bluefoxicy doesn't know about on topic03:35
bluefoxicyadobbie:  I'm learning!  . . . slowly. . .03:35
bluefoxicyI rant off topic much less now than last year03:36
mdzbluefoxicy: it's still too much03:36
bluefoxicymdz:  true.03:37
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csjhello, is any service will replace the /etc/X11/xorg.conf in liveCD?  since I remove too many packages and it wont replace it :(03:43
csjeg: my video card is nvidia, but xorg.conf write "ati"03:44
csjand I wont override it, but original liveCD will do it, naybe because I remove some package?03:44
mdzcsj: #ubuntu, please03:45
csjmdz: thanks03:45
drossmdz: you must be a police officer for #ubuntu-devel ;)03:47
Kamionwoo, test #4 passes03:48
mdzdross: it feels that way some days03:49
Kamiondross: somebody has to be03:49
lamontmdz: of course, if you say 'no', I won't upload any of those...  but so far it looks like tftp-hpa is the first yes, mysql/squid are non-trivial, and hpoj is "RUN AWAY SCREAMING"03:49
mdzlamont: let's forget about it; it's too late to touch that stuff03:50
mdzit's just really unfortunate because most of those are user-contributed patches which have been sitting in bugzilla for months03:50
mdzand I hate for them to feel like their contributions weren't welcome03:50
lamontmdz: cool03:50
lamontnone of your list had patches in that bug03:50
lamontand sadly, several of the submitted ones to 1580 had the same lack of understanding of -e as their predecessor03:51
lamontyeah - so you get 'ok' or ''03:51
lamontactually '[ok] ', or ''03:52
lamonthow soon after hoary release will we have breezy, I wonder?03:52
mdzthe xinetd one looks reasonable03:53
lamontfor that matter, other than DC resources, couldn't we create that and start syncing it now?03:53
mdz(not that I think we should change it, but it doesn't have set -e breakage)03:53
mdzlamont: jbailey/doko want to wait, because we're going to do toolchain changes first03:53
Kamion+msgid "Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details."03:53
Kamion+msgstr ""03:53
Kamion+"Veuillez vrifier /var/log/messages ou consultez la console virtuelle 4 pour "03:53
lamontseveral are reasonable, some assume that -e is not specified, and then you get to look and see which it is...03:53
Kamion+"obtenir des prcisions."03:53
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lamontmdz: right03:53
mdzKamion: that's how they spell "syslog" in French ;-)03:54
Keybukthough if we started it now, there's more time for lamont to remember to turn on the gcc flags this time ... :p03:54
lamontmdz: btw, I made the fiat decision that universe packages that do not install/remove noninteractively get my full attention for a minute or 3. (e.g., exim)03:54
lamont(and are build-deps of anything)03:54
lamontKeybuk: that's not it,and you know it.03:55
lamontit was turning them _off_ that was the grand warty mess...03:55
mdzlamont: if they're blocking MOTU work, that's appropriate03:55
lamonthrm.. would be interesting to know how much of hoary is virgin warty-release bits...03:55
lamontmdz: yeah - more to the point, it was screwing with the hoary-test run, which in turn, was messing with MOTU03:56
Keybuklamont: surprisingly little03:56
lamontKeybuk: good.03:56
lamontbecause warty/ppc binares are at least partially thpetial03:57
Kamionlamont: how come?03:57
lamont-O2 was force03:58
lamontyeah.  'ah'.03:58
Kamionrather than allowing -O3, you mean?03:58
lamontno, rather than allowing -O0 or -O103:58
lamontthey were all -O2, -O3, or -Osize?03:58
Kamionoh, I thought gcc-opt clobbered -O0 and -O1 in general03:58
adobbie-O0 makes terrible code 03:59
lamontKamion: prior to oxford, all 3 archs were using opt: 2..3. after that they werent.04:00
lamontthey use 0 304:00
Kamionmkay, I'm obviously remembering stuff from Oxford04:00
Kamionand powerpc didn't get blown away in the grand rebuild?04:00
lamontoh, and in the 'prior' camp, if you didn't say -O<something> you got -O204:00
lamontonly i386 got blown away at oxford04:00
lamontamd64 got toasted later for other reasons04:00
lamontand after amd64, we were pretty good at knowing what we had to do to reburn the archive.....  Another lost art. :-)04:01
Kamionah, much healthier translation stats when I include new choose-mirror04:02
Kamionfr: 915 translated messages, 32 fuzzy translations, 52 untranslated messages.04:02
Kamion(that's the best one)04:02
Kamionlamont: #1: remind lamont to upload glibc? :-)04:02
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lamontit's more a question of what to nuke in what order, don't forget proxies (if any), cache flushing, etc,etc,etc.04:03
lamontah, yeah.  that was pre-DC signing04:03
lamontI'm so glad to not have my house be critical infrastructure any more04:03
Kamion$ msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null ~/public_html/installer-po/template.pot04:04
Kamion0 translated messages, 999 untranslated messages.04:04
Kamionaww, just one short04:04
Kamionlamont: fabbione's ADSL surprised me by turning out to be critical infrastructure at one point04:04
lamontKamion: and if you add one more, it'll be way over 1000...04:05
lamontKamion: I think we all knew that my house was crit infra though04:05
Kamionactually, that's not including new archive-copier, which adds two strings04:05
schweeb22:03 < Ozymandias> GAH04:05
schweeb22:04 < Ozymandias> "yeah, i'm identified"04:05
schweeb22:04 < Ozymandias> turns out he doesn't even have his nick registered04:05
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lamontschweeb: you're supposed to wait until _AFTER_ you become a member/motu to do things like that... :-)04:06
schweeblamont: heh. the problem is my piece of shyte Dell 8200... the trackpad goes wonky once in a while, and middle click pastes for no reason... even if I'm not touching it04:07
Keybuksure, blame the Dell ;)04:08
schweebhopefully I get a new laptop in the near future...04:08
lamontmdz: tomorrow is holiday, yes?  (not that it really makes much diff)04:08
mdzlamont: hell if I know04:08
lamontschweeb: btw, did ethereal finally get in a state where you're happy?04:08
lamontmdz: some dead guy04:09
schweeblamont: yea, it's all built now04:09
schweeball arches04:09
lamontsorry - fast times at ridgemont high reference04:09
Keybuklamont: yeah, you know the one; Jesus gets nailed and killed on Friday, but is back for tea on Sunday04:09
schweeblamont: although the i386 debs haven't made it to archive yet, dunno what the holdup is04:09
lamontKeybuk: that'd be the 'canonical dead dude holiday' then?04:10
lamontschweeb: uh, yeah.  I do04:10
lamontthey'll make it as soon as the other machine builds it.  - was too lazy to deal with that right now.04:10
Keybukdunno, hollow chocolate eggs come into it somewhere as well04:10
lamontrothera is not a happy camper.04:10
schweebokay then :)04:10
Keybuknot really sure what they have to do with a dead dude; maybe he over-ate04:10
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schweeblamont: laziness I can understand04:10
lamontactually, I hate it when perl says anything04:11
lamontKeybuk: seen fast times?04:11
Keybuk"fast times" ? nope04:11
lamont"so what you're telling me, Mr Spicoli, is that Napoleon was a short, fat, dead dude?"  "yeah."04:11
Kamionlamont: wasn't that Bill and Ted?04:11
lamontyou see, all our holidays are about dead dudes.04:12
lamontKamion: damn.  I think you're right04:12
schweebKamion is correct04:12
lamontspicoli is much cooler than ted, though04:12
Kamionmdz: don't expect me around much tomorrow, certainly; not feeling very well and my hours have been way too long this week anyway04:12
lamontso, s/fast times at ridgemont high/bill&ted/g04:12
mdzKamion: yep04:12
KamionI'm not going to pass up a holiday while it's there ;)04:12
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Kamionanyhow, archive-copier's in, base-config changes for hoary-updates made locally but I'll wait until I'm more awake to test them04:13
mdzlamont: http://www.fxstreet.com/nou/bank/bankholidays.asp04:13
lamontmdz: is the canonical(sic) list?04:14
mdzlamont: it's the one I use04:14
lamontworks for me04:14
lamontwhat's all those 'u's doing in words like labor - obviously not an american site...04:15
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lamonthrm.. good friday isn't listed for the US... must call bank in morning. :-)04:15
Keybukit's UK holidays are wrong too04:17
KeybukNew Year's Day was 3/1 this year and Christmas will be 27/1204:17
mdzKeybuk: you get _two_ new year's days in 200504:18
Keybukheh, yeah, and that04:18
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mdzI liked the other list because it had many countries on it04:22
mdzoddly enough, that one has two new year's days too04:22
dredghere, at least, good friday is a bank holiday and not a public holiday04:24
dredgthat said, nobody really works good friday. everyone just takes it as a holiday anyway04:24
mdzChristians, anyway04:25
dredgit's not that long ago that catholocism had a special place in our constitution.04:26
dredgstill does in many respects04:26
dredgall pubs and off licences must close on good friday here. it's insane.04:27
dredga nationwide day off, with a long weekend and you can't get a drink. in ireland.04:27
lamontmdz: Out of memory!04:27
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Lathiatdredg: haha04:28
mdzlamont: ECONTEXT04:28
schweeblamont: it's better having perl say that than the kernel ;)04:28
lamontprocs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----04:28
lamont r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa04:28
lamont 0  0      0 2869692 567184  11316    0    0   127    61  261   183  3  1 93  304:28
lamontmdz: this mornings fun04:28
mdzoh, that04:28
mdzelmo and I dug up a patch which ought to fix that04:29
lamontterranova joins rothera in its unhappiness04:29
lamontterranova is running 2.6.1004:29
mdzthat patch was incorporated in 2.6.904:29
mdzsince when are we running 2.6.10 in production?04:29
lamontsince today when elmo upgraded 2/3 machines to that04:29
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lamontinterestingly, the 2 i386 machines that are bitching now are the ones running 2.6.1004:30
lamontKamion: so you wanted archive-copier/i386 to make it into the archive, yes?04:30
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Kamionlamont: ideally, yeah04:32
Kamionlamont: before next daily CD build would be good I think04:33
lamontoh, sure.  put a time limit on it.04:33
Kamionbut I suspect that may not be happening ;)04:33
lamontKamion: don't worry - it's not alone... plenty of company04:33
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lamontmdz: can I pretty please change glibc?04:43
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lamont--- debian/local/usr_sbin/tzconfig      2005-03-24 20:43:59.541655099 -070004:46
lamont+if [ ! -t 0 ] ; then04:46
lamont+       echo "Non-interactive:  quitting."04:46
lamont+       exit 104:46
lamontperl really doesn't like it when you tell it to read 1.1GB of looping tzconfig crap into memory04:47
lamontmdz: thoughts?04:48
lamonthrm... and no jbailey either04:48
lamontKamion: your upload processed, btw04:49
lamontor rather, the binaries from your upl.oad04:49
Kamionlamont: cool, ta04:50
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lamontmdz: thoughts on stubbing out start-stop-daemon in the buildd chroots?05:00
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sabmochello all05:16
sabmocjbailey, ping re:wiki05:16
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Keybuk71G     /home/scott05:45
Keybukaww, not as bad as I thought05:45
danielslamont: what's dbus-1 done?05:51
danielslamont: and my understanding was that policy-rc.d or whatever was just stubbed to return 101 in buildd chroots so services didn't get started on postinst05:51
jdubmdz: there was never any relationship between the timing of our RC and timing of the first gnome point release06:15
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jbaileylamont: hein?  Que-ce qui ce passe?07:03
jbaileysabmoc: 'sup?07:03
schweebjdub: gsf-sharp should be goin in soon, it got all the reviews it needs :)07:05
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sabmocjbailey, its in the email07:25
jdubschweeb: rock!07:26
jdubschweeb: only problem... we need a fixed up mono (or a micro upgrade) for beagle 0.0.8 :-)07:26
Lathiatwhats gsf stand for?07:26
jbaileysabmoc: Thanks.  I'll look at it a bit more in the morning.07:27
sabmocjbailey, np, hows it going out there?07:27
jbaileysabmoc: Good, tired.07:28
fabbionehey jbailey 07:29
fabbionejbailey: did you have any time to check at mpeg2dec?07:30
jbaileyHeya Fabio07:30
jbaileyfabbione: YEah, turns out the fix was right bogus anyway.  It seems it relied on a post gcc-3.3 quirk to disable all altivec for ppc, fixing the bug.  That package is going to have issues post-hoary.07:30
fabbionejbailey: ah i see.. that might be the same reason why mplayer fails on altivec code on ppc with gcc-3.307:31
jbaileyfabbione: Still, it has the advantage of working rather than segfaulting, so I'll probably mark it gcc-3.2 for everyone but PPC to fix it for you.07:31
jbaileyfabbione: Either that or I can hack out the inline.07:31
fabbioneyou mean gcc-3.307:31
jbaileyErr, yeah.07:31
fabbioneeheh ok :-)07:31
fabbioneeitherway i don't mind :-)07:32
fabbioneprobably in the short term the hack is better07:32
fabbioneand we can take time to fix it for breezy07:32
jbaileyYeah.  I'll be getting a sparc station soonish again, so I'll try to fix it right for breezy.07:32
fabbionejbailey: sparc should be installable again pretty soon07:32
jbaileyWithout this, totem-gstreamer just sucks, though.07:32
jbailey(on ppc)07:33
fabbionejbailey: elmo had to stop the rsync mirror towards sparc.u.c for some reasons, so debootstrap will fail due to missing packages07:33
jbaileyWell, it'll be nice if we can provide a solid sparc arch.07:33
fabbioneelmo sais that it will be fixed in a few days07:33
fabbioneit is a server load problem mainly, and he needs to move the mirror07:34
fabbioneso nothing really impossible :-)07:34
fabbionejust time consuming07:34
jbaileyI also have to make sure that I'm using machines that are OK'd for Ubuntu.  I've got clearance for most of them now.07:34
jbailey(Since they were donated to me for debian glibc work, I'm checking to make sure I don't trip across politics)07:34
fabbioneright.. sounds reasonable07:35
fabbioneand fair07:35
fabbionebut you can always dualboot them :)07:35
jbaileyI'm avoiding putting Ubuntu on the boxes until I'm sure.  The last thing anyone needs is an angry sponsor.07:35
jbaileySo far getting permission hasn't been hard at all.07:36
jbaileyfabbione: Did you see my note in -kernel about 1440, btw?07:37
jbaileyIt looked like it got assigned to you almost randomly, and I don't understand why.07:37
fabbionenot yet :-)07:37
jbaileyBut I'd like to reassign it to me and close it if you don't have anything special on it.  It's that SATA / ata-piix bug.07:38
fabbionejbailey: why did you reopen it?07:38
jbaileyHad a report of a recurrance.07:38
jbaileyIt's caused me a number of up-in-the-middle-of-the-nighit troubleshooting sessions this week.07:38
jbaileyI'm not young enough to flip timezones like that easily anymore.  I should start prepping for UDU now ;)07:39
fabbioneehhe i have the same problem here :-)07:39
fabbioneok reassinged07:39
jbaileyfabbione: Luvly, thanks.  I'm heading off for the night.  If I don't see you online I hope you have a lovely weekend.07:43
fabbionejbailey: thanks and have fun. Say hello to your wife from me07:43
jbailey Ohh..  Really?  Say hi back to him for me.  I miss him.  I want to see him in Helsinki, so he better damned be there.  Oh yeah and congratulations! 07:44
sabmocjdub, I am under the impression that plante.ubuntulinux.org is a developer only forum, do you have a position on that?07:45
jdubit's for ubuntu members07:45
sabmocjdub, whats the definition of a member?07:45
sabmocjdub, the reason I ask is because we are planning to start a canadian-users-blog, ok, let me read that link07:46
fabbionejbailey: eheheh07:47
fabbionejbailey: i am not sure i will be there, but you are welcome to pass by copenhagen on the way back and spend a few days here :-)07:47
jbaileyfabbione: You living in Denmark these days?07:48
fabbionejbailey: yes.. like for the last 4 and half years :)07:48
sabmocjdub, member == ubuntu_developer07:48
jbaileyfabbione: Ah, cool.  No idea what are plans are for around then.  I'm running the talks this year for debconf again, so I have to attend that, but aside from that we're hoping to hang out with some friends who've moved to Sweden from Canada.  But maybe we can swing by and say hi. =)07:49
fabbionejbailey: that would be awesome07:50
crimsunsabmoc: to be pedantic, a ubuntu member has made a substantial contribution and has signed explicitly the CoC07:50
sabmoccrimsun, so then member == ubuntu_developer++07:51
sabmocuber developer07:51
crimsunsabmoc: well, I'm a universe maintainer (which implies membership), but I'm not a Ubuntu developer07:51
crimsunsabmoc: I'm not sure if that helps clarify the distinction; do you have additional questions?07:54
sabmoccrimsun, maybe I have an different definition of developer. I consider any person who is actively trying to improve the quality of the distrobution to be a developer, no matter if its art, bug reports, maintainership, or downright development. Of course the person has to be extreamly dedicated to truely be considered a "developer", at least in my book.07:54
sabmoccrimsun, nope :)07:54
crimsunsabmoc: ah, yes, in that sense, yes, a "developer"07:54
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jdubsabmoc: an ubuntu member is not necessarily a developer07:55
jdubcommitter & maintainer are different levels of membership, for technical reasons07:55
jdubsomeone who's contributed to ubuntu in completely different ways is as much a member as a developer07:56
sabmocjdub, ah, well I did not know there was "levels" of membership, now I see it differently. 07:56
sabmocjdub, is there something like a membership tree then?07:57
sabmocor is it more of a ladder07:58
jdubit's described on that page07:58
sabmocjdub, sorry, I only skimed it the first time.08:13
jdubsomeone run yelp08:15
jdublet me know if the front page actually has category link son it08:15
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sabmocmine says "help topics: desktop, applications, other documentation, man pages"08:16
jdubok, that's good08:16
jdubsomething is wrong locally then08:16
sabmocdoes anyone know who is involved in art for ubuntu?08:19
sabmocit would be nice if we had an ArtTeam08:21
crimsunhey, jdub would know :>08:21
sabmocsomeone said to talk to volvoguy, but he is neveronline08:21
jdubah, there will be a cool surprise soon after the hoary release related to that :-)08:22
sabmocI think there must be an art team already because otherwise where does all the art come from08:22
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dholbachgooood morning08:24
sabmocjdub, want me to add you to the CA mailing list?08:36
jdubno thanks, i'm not in canada08:37
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froudwhere is the bugzilla for kubuntu done?09:24
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_d4vidhi all10:00
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Mirvis anyone able to say straight away where this is done: after detecting two "sound cards"/mixers (tv-card's and sound card's), the "real" sound card is selected as the primary device? this didn't work in warty, but now it works.10:15
Mirvand in debian it doesn't work...10:16
Mirvalsa-base or sth?10:16
bob2that sounds like luck10:16
mvoping seb12810:18
crimsunMirv: cat /proc/asound/modules10:19
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mdkejdub, ping11:12
zygahmm I'm trying to build capplets 11:21
zygabut configure failed to indicate missing libxrandr11:21
zygashould I file a bug?11:21
zygaagain... libxinerama11:22
Lathiatmight be worth double checking its not just something buggered on your system11:22
zygaLathiat: like?11:22
Lathiatcheck the configure script to see if it does check for them11:23
zygaLathiat: good idea11:23
crimsunzyga: you need libxrandr-dev and libxinerama-dev11:23
zygacrimsun: yeah I know (got them already)11:23
crimsunzyga: ->#ubuntu11:24
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mdzjdub: there so was!11:34
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mdzlamont: wtf are you doing awake?11:37
lamontcursing, obviouslyu11:37
Lathiatbah 3:37am is nothign to worry about :)11:38
lamontwoke up, figured I'd check on the buildd's11:38
Lathiatits when 830am clocks around and work is about to start you need to get worried :)11:38
lamontLathiat: my alarm is set for 060011:38
mdkethat is serious dedication to the job lamont 11:38
Lathiatwell, whatever time work si fo ryou :)11:38
lamontmdke: nah - is called 'critical path'11:38
mdkesome people wake up in the middle of the night and go to the toilet, lamont checks the build11:38
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mdkelamont, its when you're dreaming about the builds that you should get worried tho :)11:39
lamontmdke: if I wasn't fairly convinced it would probably have _something_ wrong, I wouldn't have bothered...11:39
lamontmdz: so thoughts on nuking start-stop-daemon in the build chroots?  (no, it's not an automatic part of a chroot, regardless of what daniels said..)11:40
mdzlamont: motivation?11:40
lamont-rw-r--r--  1 root root   14 Mar 25 10:41 build-hoary/chroot-hoary/dev/null11:41
lamont*%&()^&_%&$^ udev11:42
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Lathiatpoor lamont :)11:50
mdkelets hope he's asleep again now11:51
lamontnah - just finished11:51
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lamontboth the cleanup, and the glass of water11:52
lamontmdz: I'm not sure the cure wouldn't be worse than the original problem.  But 'tis very annoying11:53
jdubmdz: i'm missing scrollback for context11:53
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dholbachlamont: good night11:55
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dholbachhi seb128 12:10
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ograjdub, will the mono microchange need a recompile for gsf-sharp ? else i'd upload schweebs package today12:21
ogramorining btw12:21
dholbachhey ogra 12:21
ograhi dholbach 12:22
mdkehi you guys12:22
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Amaranthomgwtfhax, recent dist-upgrade made my crossover menu appear again12:35
Amaranthmust have been gnome-menus 2.10.112:36
Amaranthlooks like the fd.o folks finally decided on what to do if an entry doesn't have an icon set12:37
Amaranthlooks like i'm talking to myself12:37
jdubogra: no, doubt it12:37
jdubAmaranth: that's an ubuntu change12:38
jdubdefault icons12:38
ograAmaranth, ask koke about it ;)12:38
Amaranthoh yeah, i read it on ubuntu-devel and someone said if you find a solution let the fd.o guys know12:38
seb128Amaranth: that's not a fd change but a gnome-panel one12:39
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Mitariohi everyone01:00
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haggaielmo: any chance of installing screen on novo?01:56
haggaiogra: who cares, kubuntu has kopete ;)01:57
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bob2irssi 4 lyf01:57
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seb128haggai: because you think than GNOME people like gaim ? :p01:58
dholbachwhat are you guys playing, go fix https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild :-)01:58
ograhaggai, gaim is our nasty pet, every DE needs one ;)01:59
Treenaksready, gaim, fire?01:59
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bob2go fix mono, you slackers02:00
Treenaksbob2: go scratch you own itch02:02
bob2hah, I wish02:02
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jdubanyone got a really wide screen?02:10
toresbeI do02:10
bob2jblack does02:10
toresbe42" 16:9 8somethingx6something02:11
jordiKamion, mvo: just before I leave: nano 1.3.6 in incoming/Debian experiemntal02:11
jordisee you next week02:11
ograjdub, yep02:11
jdubtoresbe: ah, currently connected to your ubuntu box?02:11
jdubogra: res?02:11
toresbejdub: actually Debian02:12
jdubcan you grab the following tarball02:12
jdubunpack it into /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human02:12
jdub(just files in the tarball, no basedir)02:12
jduband test it full screen?02:12
jdubshould just require New Login from system tools menu02:13
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ograjdub, COOL02:15
ograand yes, it looks ok 02:15
jdubfontsize is fine?02:15
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ograhmm, hard to tell since my fontsize with nv is a bit to small anyway, but its the same size as the norma one has02:16
jdubweird request -> if you have a digital camera, could you pop up a shot? :)02:16
ograjdub, sure02:16
dholbachcould someone have a look at  http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/multisync.build  and tell me what could be wrong?02:19
jdubanyone else downloaded and have comments?02:19
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dholbach(and yes, i updated the pbuilder :-))02:20
Treenaksdholbach: ask seb?02:20
dholbachTreenaks: i wanted to pester a wieder audience02:21
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Kamiondholbach: out-of-date mirror?02:22
Treenakshi luis02:22
jdubbtw, latest yelp update gives us elite front page love :)02:22
dholbachKamion: i did both apt-get update and pbuilder update02:22
luismorning, Treenaks02:23
Treenaksjdub: "elite front page love"?02:23
Kamiondholbach: that's why I said "mirror"02:23
dholbachjdub: should only be 5.04 instead of 5.402:23
dholbachKamion: erm02:23
jdubdholbach: yeah, i know, doc bug02:24
jdubTreenaks: run yelp02:24
ograjdub, www.grawert.net/gdm1.jpg www.grawert.net/gdm2.jpg02:24
jdubogra: thanks!02:24
ograjdub, but my font size is not a good example02:24
Treenaksjdub: uh, I'm running SuSE now (office policy..)02:25
ograits to small anyway, with nvidia its 1pt bigger 02:25
jdubogra: that looks pretty reasonable though, even so02:25
jdubogra: want to make a small change and tell me how it looks?02:25
ograjdub, your work ?02:25
jdubchange line 14 to read:02:26
jdub    <pos x="50%" y="33%" width="scale" height="15%" anchor="c"/>02:26
jdubsame as warty, with suggested changes from cliff02:26
ograjdub, i like the bigger logo (in opposition to others i heard here)02:29
jdubanother shot with that? :)02:29
jdubone thing i really miss in gimp02:33
jdubsshots without window decorations02:33
bob2dholbach: can you install it if you jump into the pbuilder chroot? (pbuilder login)02:33
Treenaksjdub: what's why people invented xwd | xwdtopng :)02:33
dholbachbob2: yeah02:35
bob2that's weird02:35
ograjdub, www.grawert.net/gdm3.jpg02:35
dholbachbob2: i'll re-create it02:35
jdubogra: ah, nice02:36
jdubogra: thanks heaps!02:36
ograyoure welcome :)02:36
jdubdoes it make you randy? :)02:37
jdubrock :)02:38
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ograamu, tritium told me you reviewed kreciepes, could you please comment it on MOTUNewPackages, so we can upload it after the next review03:09
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ograhey mako03:23
magnonjdub: don't growl at it, it seems avengeful :)03:23
makoogra: hey there03:25
luismorning, mako03:27
tritiummako, remind me if we ever sign keys not to hold your passport ;)03:28
ogratritium, i already held it in mataro, still washing my hands :)03:29
tritiumhaha :)03:29
makoit was *years* ago03:34
makoluis: morning!03:34
ogramako, tell that to my GF, i'm not allowed to touch her anymore *gg*03:35
Treenaksomg.. I'm lucky I didn't touch it then :P03:36
Robot101robot101@alpha:/data/isos/linux$ ls -la hoary-install-i386.iso03:36
Robot101-rw-r--r--  1 robot101 robot101 613246976 2005-03-24 02:02 hoary-install-i386.iso03:36
Robot101robot101@alpha:/data/isos/linux$ rsync -P rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso hoary-install-i386.iso03:37
Robot101skipping non-regular file "hoary-install-i386.iso"03:37
Robot101lstat64("hoary-install-i386.iso", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=613246976, ...}) = 003:37
Robot101fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 2), ...}) = 003:37
Robot101what the hell?03:37
jdubobviously needs more fibre03:37
Robot1010620 character device03:38
Robot101not bloody likely03:38
Robot101a mylex PCI raid controller no less03:38
truluxhowI'm having trouble with cdbs, is there any way to make it *not* overriding my CFLAGS?03:42
jbaileytrulux: Not noticably, no.  Your best bet is to set it to what you want it to be in the end.03:42
Robot101the latter is statting the console, which is a char dev :D03:43
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Treenakswhy does the back of my Palm Tungsten have the word "Culus" on it?03:44
truluxjbailey: how can I make it, at least, appending CFLAGS of the Makefile before compiling?03:44
truluxjbailey: it's overriding -fPIC so, libssp gets compiled as non-PIC ...03:44
adobbietrulux: looks like you will just have to stop using CFLAGS for your fPIC03:45
truluxadobbie: hah03:45
jbaileytrulux: Oy, I'm guessing that this is a Makefile based package without using autoconf/automake?03:45
truluxjbailey: right03:46
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jbaileyLemme test something, hold a sec.03:46
jbaileytrulux: Override DEB_MAKE_INVOKE03:47
jbaileyThe idea that I thought of won't work, so..03:47
jbaileyI would just do something like:03:47
Kamionseb128: this rescue-check translation of yours looks wrong:03:47
Kamion msgid "Ubuntu Installer rescue mode"03:47
Kamion-msgstr "Entrer dans le mode de rcupration"03:47
Kamion+msgstr "Entrer dans le mode de rcupration de l'outil d'installation d'Ubuntu"03:47
Kamionseb128: it's not "enter rescue mode", it's a heading displayed in the top left corner of the screen indicating that you're in rescue mode03:48
jbaileytrulux: Actually hmm..03:48
jbaileytrulux: Is your package ismple enough that just typing 'make' works when building by hand?03:48
jbaileytrulux: And is it a tarball build?03:49
Kamionseb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po/ updated, also base-config-po and shadow-po existing now because merging them caused too many weird fuzzies03:49
truluxjbailey: yes03:49
jbaileytrulux: The complete version of what you want is '$(DEB_MAKE_ENVVARS) make -C $(DEB_BUILDDIR)', but if you're not in a tarball build or whatnot, you could get away with just defining it to make and be done with it.03:49
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truluxjbailey: it's http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/libssp/ (tarball)03:52
truluxjbailey: just that making shlibs not doing PIC code is an asspain03:52
jbaileytrulux: I don't really want to download the package now if I can avoid it.  Did defining DEB_MAKE_INVOKE work for you?03:53
truluxjbailey: I'm trying another way03:54
truluxavoiding cdbs03:55
ogratrulux, btw, are you guys in #ubuntu-hardened aware of our universe NEW policy ? please make sure your universe packages apply to it if they dont do already... https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackagesPolicy03:56
jbaileytrulux: Does that mean it didn't work, or did you not try it at all?03:56
truluxogra: oh, ok, thanks03:57
truluxjbailey: just I saw my old package, that needs some fixes but among that, it works and shouldn't be hard to fix03:57
ogratrulux, its just a bit QA and help for DDs that want to adopt packages from us :)03:57
ogratrulux, but i guess you are working with pitti anyways for the QA...03:58
truluxogra: yeah, Martin rocks03:59
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Mitariolo everyone04:13
Robot101lstat64("hoary-install-i386.iso", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=613246976, ...}) = 004:17
Robot101        if (!S_ISREG(file->mode)) {04:17
Robot101                rprintf(FINFO, "skipping non-regular file \"%s\"\n",04:17
Robot101                        safe_fname(fname));04:17
Robot101                return;04:17
Robot101        }04:17
Robot101write(1, "skipping non-regular file \"hoary"..., 51skipping non-regular file "hoary-install-i386.iso"04:17
Robot101why why why04:17
Kamionmaybe mode is not the same sort of thing as (struct stat).st_mode04:18
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Robot101Kamion: hmm, good point04:36
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truluxare there any thoughts on upgrading sysvinit?04:44
adobbieit works, don't touch it04:45
adobbiethat's what I say04:45
truluxadobbie: and fuck the selinux kid who is porting patches04:45
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adobbiethat too ;)04:46
truluxhey dholbach 04:47
jdubso dudes05:04
jduba bunch of artwork updates05:04
jdublet me know what you think -> jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com05:04
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dholbachbye jdub 05:04
ogranight jdub 05:04
Robot101Kamion: it was the remote file that was a symlink, not the local file... feh05:05
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zygahow to teach autotools to extract N_ from .py.in files?05:12
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KamionRobot101: heh05:16
Robot101good error message *scowl*05:16
Robot101the real file was in ../.pool/hoary-install-i386.iso, but you probably know that :)05:16
Kamionfor hoary-preview-install-i386.iso, yeah05:17
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mvozyga: it dosn't do it alreay? is it in the POTFILES already?05:21
zygamov: I need N_05:24
zygamvo: BTW: I've got a patch for you 05:25
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zygamvo: sending now05:27
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mvozyga: thanks05:28
mvozyga: for the N_, have you tried "N_ = gettext.dummy" in the python source? it should be extracted then by autotools05:29
zygamvo: I've defined N_(foo) = foo05:30
zygamvo: see the patch, it's clumbsy but I'm python newbie 05:30
mvozyga: thanks for the patch :)05:32
mvozyga: I'll merge it later05:32
zygamvo: thanks :)05:33
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seb128Kamion: k for the translations, thanks06:02
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fabbioneschweeb: ping?06:28
seb128jdub: around ?06:30
ograseb128, aslee06:32
seb128he broke my gtk theme06:32
ograclearlooks ?06:32
seb128yep, it looks like the default GNOME one now06:32
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seb128me neither06:32
ograagain ?06:32
seb128just started some new apps06:32
seb128they are ugly06:33
ogramine look ok....06:33
seb128after restarting the panel that's fine for it06:33
seb128looks like a runtime b0rkage06:33
ograah, wait update-manager is inthe background, not closed yet06:34
ograno change, looks ok06:34
ograseb128, killed the panel for a test, still looks ok....06:36
ogramust be your system...06:37
ograheh, but gaim crashed ...06:37
seb128blaming my system is easy06:37
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seb128I'll try that next time you open a bug :p06:37
ogranormally i dont kill my panel, so i'm fine as it is.....06:38
seb128after restarting apps that's fine again06:39
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opiKamion, ping06:39
ograprobably gnome-settings-daemon has a delay or something06:39
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seb128ogra: no, restarting g-s-d doesn't change the look of apps, that's weird06:40
opihi guys06:40
opiKamion, shadow-po and base-po are ready for .pl, the installer po files where posted to ubuntu-pl, we'll see if someone will help me with that06:40
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opihi sven06:47
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Treenakswolsisc? :)06:57
mvomorning mdz 06:58
zulhey mdz 06:58
Kamionopi: ok, will take submissions by e-mail as I said06:59
mdzTreenaks: that's "morning" shifted right one key position on a dvorak layout06:59
mdzon the right hand06:59
Treenaksmdz: ah :)06:59
mdzwith the left hand in proper position06:59
TreenaksI think we should adopt it :)06:59
opiKamion, my part was allready sent07:00
Kamionopi: um07:00
Kamionopi: $ msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null pl.po07:00
Kamion24 translated messages, 2 fuzzy translations, 2 untranslated messages.07:00
Kamionopi: I don't see how there can be only one fix :)07:00
opiKamion, hum.. :)07:00
opiI'll look again07:00
Kamionlikewise I suspect base-config has some more07:01
Kamion98 translated messages, 16 fuzzy translations, 12 untranslated messages.07:01
Kamion(that's before your changes)07:01
opiKamion, I would be *so* happy if your tool could tell me witch one of them are untranslated ;)07:03
opiKaloz, I'm looking at shadow now07:03
Kamionopi: my tool?07:03
KamionI have never written any translation-handling tools07:03
Treenaksopi: msgfmt is part of gettext, afaik07:03
Kamionhowever there are many of them out there07:03
opiKaloz, I'll restate it, a tool you're using :)07:03
KamionI am not Kaloz07:03
Kamionopi: msgattrib can tell you that07:04
dholbachmvo: ETA? :-p07:04
Kamionso 'msgattrib --untranslated pl.po', 'msgattrib --only-fuzzy pl.po'07:04
opiKamion, ok, got a shadow.po07:05
Kamionalso, gtranslator is in Ubuntu07:05
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opiKamion, would you be so kind (I don't want to disturb you from work) a +/- difference between my submission to base-config and number of untranslated msgs?07:07
opiKamion, I'm at my gf parents house, and I've a Slackware laptop only ;)07:07
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Kamionslackware doesn't have gettext? surprising07:09
Kamionopi: if you sent a full .po file as an attachment, that would be easier to do; as it is I will have to mess around a lot with merge tools :)07:09
Kamionopi: "Hoary Headehog", really? :)07:10
Kamionopi: you're still missing "A user account will be created [...] " and "Empty root password entered; using sudo." from shadow07:11
opiKamion, oh :o07:11
Kamionthose are fuzzy, i.e. gettext has made a guess at a similar translation, but it needs to be manually checked and in some cases retranslated07:12
zygaKamion: which pl.po is that?07:14
Kamionzyga: shadow07:14
opizyga, yeah, the translation is missing: uywam sudo ;)07:14
opizyga, it's Fenio translation, empty password at Debian won't use sudo07:14
zygaopi: :-)07:14
Kamionthat is not quite accurate07:16
Kamionthe translation is of "Empty password was entered."; the new msgid is "Empty root password entered; [...] "07:16
Kamionsigh, translators are not reading translation comments either07:17
Kamion#. However, translators are required to keep "Choose language"07:18
Kamion#. as an alternative separated by the "/" character07:18
Kamion#. Example (french): Choisir la langue/Choose language07:18
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Kamion-msgstr "Sprache whlen/Choose language"07:18
Kamion+msgstr "Locale whlen"07:18
Kamionah, no, I take it back, that comment is for a different msgid07:18
opiKamion, .pl has /choose part07:19
opiKamion, shadow update has been sent07:19
Kamionopi: it'll be fuzzy in the translation of "Choose a locale:"07:19
opiKamion, I hope you can throw rocks for that distance :-)07:19
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Kamionopi: thanks, will look in a bit07:20
mrothif I have a bugzilla on gnome-theme-manager, should I file that under gnome-themes, or g-system-tools?07:20
mrothon the theme manager itself, not the included theme files07:20
zygahey new artwork rocks07:21
zygawho's doing that?07:21
opiKamion, I'm going for hunt on #fuzzy in base07:22
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zygaopi: need a hand?07:22
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seb128Mitario: are you sure than #166185 is a nautilus bug ?07:24
Mitarioseb128, seems like it to me07:24
Mitarioseb128, because trashapplet just moves or deletes the files using gnome_vfs07:25
seb128k, your call07:26
seb128this bug will probably stay here for months so :/07:26
seb128but that works fine with the nautilus trash07:27
Mitarioseb128, yeah true, but.. i can't seem to fix it with trashapplet :-(07:27
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seb128have you tried to look on it ?07:27
seb128nautilus is bug flooded07:27
seb128it'll stay in the middle of the pile of bugs, that's why I've opened it on the applet07:27
Mitarioah, well, i can think of no way how I can fix this in trashapplet07:28
Mitariotrashapplet just moves/deletes the files, nautilus should worry about displaying them07:28
Mitariootherwise i would have gladly fixed it07:28
seb128if you move a file from the command line that works07:28
seb128I don't get why it would not work with the applet07:29
Mitariome neither, maybe it's some error in gnome_vfs?07:29
seb128I think that's due to the applet07:29
Mitariook well i'll try to investigate further, maybe some nautilus guy will correct me and tell me what i'm doing wrong ;-)07:31
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mrothseb128: filed a mostly cosmetic bug with g-t-m/capplets as #8199 , low priority IMHO07:32
dholbachalright... have a nice day/evening/morning pals... i'm off - must run to get the train07:32
Mitariocya dholbach 07:32
Lathiatis inotify not in 2.6.10-5 ?07:34
Lathiatahh i see07:34
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opizyga, are you on ubuntu-pl?07:36
zygaopi: no07:37
zygaopi: # or ml?07:37
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opizyga, ml07:38
zygaopi: developer or user ml?07:38
opizyga, ubuntu-pl :)07:38
opizyga, users07:38
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zygaopi: argh ;] 07:38
zygaopi: no should I?07:39
opizyga, if you like, I've posted a translation request there07:39
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opizyga, there's nice bunch of Ubuntu guys there07:39
zygaopi: any archive?07:39
zygaopi: or request page?07:39
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zygaopi: could you post an url to your translation request?07:42
opizyga, I'll cut & paste it on query07:46
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opibut I'll be off in a second07:46
opibbl :)07:47
zygaopi: ?07:47
zygaopi: ok07:47
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kainhi there, some recent upgrades broken Human icon theme07:57
crimsunclearlooks 0.5, probably.07:58
kainthere were four folders under /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable07:58
kainyes, I believe so07:58
kainI see clearlooks were upgraded07:58
kainbut if I use human icons, most files doesn't show an icon07:58
kainonly folders07:58
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crimsunit was discussed in here about 2 hours ago; have you restarted your applications, perhaps logged out and back in?07:59
kaincrimsun, yes, I've done everything, from reinstalling ubuntu-artwork and some packages to create a new user and log in07:59
kainicons are missing07:59
crimsunhum, I don't know off the top of my head08:00
ograkain, looks youre right, i just restarted nautilus and have the same effect with human08:00
kainroot@striker:/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable # ls -lh08:00
kaintotale 12K08:00
kaindrwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 2005-03-25 19:52 apps08:00
kaindrwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 2005-03-25 19:52 devices08:00
kaindrwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 2005-03-25 19:52 filesystems08:00
kainthere are three folders08:00
kainand some icons are missing08:00
kainI remember that were fours folders of icons08:00
kainbtw human icons looks great ;P08:02
kainclearlooks window borders now seems similar to nvidia themes08:02
kainsome sort of 3d effect08:02
kainI preferred the flat colro titlebar08:02
kainhope a fixed package hits repositories soon08:04
ograkain, as soon as .au will wake up again someone will work on it ;)08:04
kainehe ok08:04
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lamont-awaymdz: arouhnd?08:36
lamontmdz: is woody->hoary upgrade path supported?08:36
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lamontof course, the other question is, why didn't this affect woody->warty?08:37
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mdzlamont: yes I'm around, and no woody->hoary08:41
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lamontmdz: although 2797 probably applies to woody->warty, given the context08:45
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lamontmdz: 5379 may want a sync - but I'll let you make that call.08:57
mdzlamont: fine with me08:58
lamontok - I'll request the sync then08:58
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Kamionok, now I'm really confused09:22
lamontKamion: that scares me09:23
KamionI thought if you had a base-0 cacherev on a baz branch, you didn't have to register the archive you branched from09:23
lamontyou might for merging?09:23
Kamioni.e. colin.watson@canonical.com--2004/cdimage--mainline--0 -> colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--009:23
Kamionscrew merging, all I want to do is get09:23
lamont(to branches where the common ancestor is on the branch-source, that is_)09:23
Kamionand tla does it too09:24
lamontyou should be able to baz-get --200509:24
Kamionif I register the colin.watson@canonical.com--2005 archive and 'baz get colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0', it says "archive colin.watson@canonical.com--2004 is not registered"09:24
Kamiontla is similar but even less helpful09:24
lamontKamion: and there's a cached rev for base-0?09:25
Kamionlamont: yes09:25
lamontbeat on #arch, it sounds like09:25
Kamionand patch-4, just to make sure09:25
Kamionthe idea of #arch scares me09:25
Kamiona channel full of revision-control-heads ...09:25
lamontoh, yeah.09:25
lamontbut it's a helpful bunch of revision-control-heads09:26
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Kamionoh, I bet I know09:28
Kamionsilly archive-mirror thought it would be fun not to mirror the cacherevs09:28
lamontcache-revs are local to the mirror, I bet09:28
Kamionthey bloody well ought not to be09:29
lamontthat is, the revision cache is not part of the copy...09:29
Kamionthey get mirrored if you hit the thing harder (i.e. remove mirror, rebuild)09:29
lamontfile a bug against bazaar in bz, sounds like.09:29
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lamontit's that, or learn to type.09:34
zygalamont: hehe :-)09:35
lamontzyga: done it one time too many.. :-)09:36
zygalamont: I've been working on a program called fcqp09:36
zygaI only recently added rules that checked for fcpq09:37
zygathe result was .... a bit of shame09:37
lamontanyway, off to sit on the neighbor's porch.09:37
Kamionlamont: filed in malone; https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/26409:37
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lamont-awayor figure out what he has09:37
KamionI think it's the same as your wiki login09:37
Burgundaviait is09:38
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opiand thanks gods for that09:40
opiI should count once how much passwords I have ;)09:40
Kamiongo baz09:43
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schweebfabbione: yo09:59
trulux|workingare there any thoughts on upgrading Linux-PAM on Breezy?10:05
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zygais breezy the official name?10:08
lamont_rbreezy badger10:08
trulux|workingjust finishing the work on SELinux10:09
trulux|workingat least on userland packages support10:09
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ogralamont_r, we live in a time where a 80GB HD is the standard onlaptops ;)10:22
zygaogra: IS NOT ;] 10:23
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zyga128MB really hurts on modern linux desktop10:23
ograzyga, when did you buy that one ?10:23
zygathe only thing that works smoothly is gnome-terminal ;] 10:24
zygaogra: long time ago10:24
maswanzyga: well, you should do alright as long as you don't try to use a graphical browser or something like that. :)10:24
zygaogra: but most new laptops have 40GB not 8010:24
ograzyga, i'm talking about current ones ;)10:24
zygamaswan: actually links is a graphical browser but I tend to run it it text mode ;] 10:24
ogramine has 80, its 2 months old10:24
ograand no, it wasnt expensive....10:25
zygaogra: the cheapest laptops usually have 40 gigs10:25
zygaogra: where do you live?10:25
ogra1250 is mid class i would say10:25
ograzyga, .de10:25
adobbie512MB is pretty much minimum for a desktop or laptop these days10:25
zygaadobbie: unfortunatly :/10:26
adobbiemy roomate needs more ram and he already has 1GB10:26
trulux|workingogra: what the f*ck! in Spain you get an ibook for much less than that10:26
zygaI'm going to buy an ibook 10:26
trulux|workingzyga: connected minds :)10:26
zygabut I'm scared that 128/256 will be hell :/10:26
trulux|workingadobbie: hentai shouldn't cost that amount of ram10:27
zygapowerbooks are way too pricy for me10:27
adobbiezyga: it will be, I know from first hand experience10:27
trulux|workingadobbie: :)10:27
zygaogra: .pl 10:27
adobbiezyga: if you don't plan to use openoffice or firefox you can probably survive10:27
zygathat's a must :/10:27
zygaanyways I'll try to upgrade the ram10:27
ogratrulux|working, i wanted to own an ALPHA all my life since i had my first one in my hands ;) so i bought the successor, appledoesnt provide amd64 :)10:27
zygaogra: apple has g5's10:28
zygaogra: I've got amd64 too :-)10:28
ograzyga, for 1250 ??10:28
zygaogra: they're really sweet10:28
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ogra(g5 that is)10:28
zygaogra: no ;] 10:28
zygaogra: what's that funny utf-8 like char after 1250?10:28
adobbieI want an Itanium :)10:28
adobbiezyga: euro10:29
ograzyga, do you use xchat ?10:29
zygaadobbie: itanium has great registers and calling conventions10:29
zygaogra: no10:29
ogra /charset utf-810:29
ograah, ok10:29
zygaogra: for 1250 euros you can get a pretty decent powerbook10:29
zygaogra: but they don't come with g5 :/10:29
ograwith 80GIG hd and 512 MB ? 10:29
adobbiezyga: I would expect that Itanium is all that is good about Intel minus the garbage that remains from backwards compatibility10:30
zygaogra: yes10:30
zygaadobbie: and as popular as that garbage....10:30
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zygaadobbie: win... oh you don't run well on itanium, sorry ;] 10:30
adobbiezyga: damn, how could I survive without Windows...10:30
zygaogra: edu discounts from apple are nice, still they have way overpriced stuff10:31
zygaogra: I'm going to try though cause my last laptop (gericom, really shitty) falls apart10:31
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zygaogra: for 1250 euros you can get amd64 in a laptop 17' box10:32
zygaogra: no warranty though ;] 10:32
ograzyga, thats what i have (apart from having a 15,4" display, since i want it transportable)10:33
zygaogra: (really serious and worth the money) [as long as you don't think where it came from] 10:33
zygaogra: I'm getting 12' 10:33
zyga15 is waaay to big unless you need to watch movies (i guess that'll make me more productive)10:34
ograzyga, i wanted a desktop replacement....10:34
zygaogra: me too at first10:34
ograso this was the compromise10:34
zygaogra: but then I realized that with lots of ram and remote storage I don't need hudge screens  ;] 10:34
zygaogra: and working in bed is great :>10:35
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trulux|workingchecking path to cracklib dictionary... configure: error: none found10:37
trulux|workingstill dying there and I have now the dicts intalled10:46
zygatrulux|working: anything you need?10:47
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trulux|workingzyga: need to know why I'm getting "checking path to cracklib dictionary... configure: error: none found" with the dicts installed properly10:48
zygatrulux|working: check the source and see where it tries to find your cracklib10:49
zygawhere is it on your system10:49
trulux|workingin the standard patch where Ubuntu installs it :)10:50
trulux|workingI'm building with debuild and getting that10:50
trulux|workingzyga: no idea?10:53
trulux|workingit's stopping me for doing my work10:54
crimsuntrulux|working: what package are you compiling?10:54
trulux|workingcrimsun: a new PAM upgraded to 0.78, also going to apply some Fedora patches and fixes, among the SELinux support10:55
trulux|workingfor Breezy10:55
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crimsuntrulux|working: did you sudo apt-get build-dep pam?10:56
trulux|workingcrimsun: *every* build dependency installed10:59
zygatrulux|working: locate libcrack10:59
zygatrulux|working: sudo updatedb # if you need11:00
trulux|working /devel/hoary/usr/lib/libcrack.so.2.711:00
trulux|workingeverything *ok*11:00
trulux|workingno dicts, that's the fscking error11:01
trulux|workingjezz, wasted 10 minutes with it and still not solved11:06
zygatrulux|working: hmm11:20
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zygatrulux|working: can you locate the part of configure that tries to find your library?11:20
trulux|working2541:echo $ac_n "checking path to cracklib dictionary""... $ac_c" 1>&611:21
trulux|working2542:echo "configure:2543: checking path to cracklib dictionary" >&511:21
trulux|working2545:DICT_FILE_CANDIDATES="pw_dict cracklib_dict"11:21
trulux|workingI think I found it11:21
trulux|workingit's always good to relax11:21
zygatrue true11:21
trulux|workingit's not my best day, just a mix of some bad conditions11:23
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bluefoxicyis shipit an ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-user topic?11:35
bluefoxicyI want to be able to order just livecds, or bundles of boxes (30 to a box right?) with liveCDs and installCDs, individually boxed.11:35
bluefoxicyI just don't like handing newbies install CDs11:35
bluefoxicybecause they'll erase their hard drives, seriously.11:35
bluefoxicythey'll be like "Sweet this is cool, I'm gonna install it!  wtf why doesn't windows boot?!  Where'd unreal go?!"11:36
adobbiebluefoxicy: unreal runs on Linux11:36
bluefoxicyunreal doesn't come on ubuntu hoary main :)11:36
schweebbluefoxicy: ...11:41
schweebbluefoxicy: pretty sure that the livecd can install as well11:41
bluefoxicymine can't11:42
adobbiebluefoxicy: users who don't read warning messages on the screen deserve to learn the hard way11:42
bluefoxicyadobbie:  I want to convince my employer to distribute livecds11:42
bluefoxicyso I can make more money11:42
bluefoxicyby immediately becoming valuable when people suddenly want linux support.11:43
bluefoxicyI made $239 (after taxes) on my first check :o  33 hours11:43
bluefoxicy(very high values I have huh?)11:44
adobbienot quite at the $100/hour level yet11:45
bluefoxicyadobbie:  10.511:45
bluefoxicyschweeb:  and since when do live cds do real install/upgrade11:45
schweebknoppix does it11:45
bluefoxicyyeah, by copying the fs to the hard drive11:45
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bluefoxicyschweeb:  I meant more like  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/StaticMediaAccompanyingDebs (which was rejected on the list months ago btw, so won't happen)11:47
bluefoxicy"This would hopefully facilitate a single Live/Install/NetInstall?/Rescue CD in the space of an 80 minute CD-R."  <-- should have said Live/Install/NetInstall/Upgrade/Rescue11:49
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