[12:02] <trulux> bluefoxicy: join #ubuntu-hardened
[12:05] <elmo> Kamion: btw, hoary-updates exists now :P
[12:05] <Kamion> elmo: ta, will implement in base-config
[12:05] <Kamion> we want it on by default?
[12:08] <elmo> I think we should; we only don't in Debian because we have no control over it
[12:08] <amu> mdz: just uploaded
[12:08] <Kamion> elmo: righto
[12:08] <Kamion> does hoary-updates require approval then?
[12:09] <elmo> kamion: no, but we have mdz wielding the pain stick threateningly
[12:09] <Kamion> hah
[12:09] <elmo> and/or we can certainly implement some
[12:10] <elmo> but realistically the only thing that would have gone it for warty is the calendars which I think everyone can deal with
[12:10] <elmo> gone in it
[12:10] <mdz> Kamion: on by default, yes
[12:11] <mdz> I'm not sure there's really a point in separating security and updates, but it's what we've got
[12:11] <elmo> mdz: I like it for servers, FWIW
[12:11] <seb128> elmo: I've uploaded an evolution package in warty-updates :p
[12:12] <mdz> elmo: can you think of anything we would put in warty-updates that would be a problem for servers?
[12:12] <elmo> mdz: no, because I don't have evolution or desktop background on mine
[12:13] <mdz> elmo: I mean *-updates
[12:13] <elmo> mdz: but if we used it for "bug fixes" to packages I do use on servers, I appreciate being able to distinguish between that and security fixes
[12:14] <elmo> but hey, I'm also happy to merge them - suites aren't free in katie
[12:14] <elmo> oh, speaking of, I should probably enable it in buildds too
[12:17] <Kamion> smurfix: whatever way you're uploading kbd-chooser, it keeps removing debian/po/templates.pot from the source package; could you please sort that out before your next upload? I'm going to fix it up now.
[12:18] <Kamion> it breaks translation statistics when that happens
[12:21] <zul> hey
[12:23] <mdz> Kamion: you have translation statistics for d-i?
[12:23] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[12:23] <Kamion> mdz: they're artifically low by about 240 per language at the moment; I'm waiting for rookery's mirror to update in order to fix that
[12:24] <koke> when exactly does the update-manager turn grey??
[12:24] <smurfix> Kamion: sorry -- will do.
[12:25] <Kamion> mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po/statistics
[12:25] <mvo> koke: when apt is running
[12:25] <elmo> meh, silly powerpc is still building
[12:25] <koke> mvo: I think it has a bug :)
[12:26] <mvo> koke: tell me 
[12:26] <koke> it fades to grey when running pbuilder too :)
[12:26] <Kamion> smurfix: it almost looks like you have the file ignored in revision control or something
[12:26] <mvo> koke: interessting :)
[12:27] <koke> mvo: wait, not sure
[12:27] <Kamion> smurfix: because I restored templates.pot in ubuntu11, and your ubuntu12 removed it again
[12:27] <Kamion> all it took was running debconf-updatepo
[12:27] <koke> it got color before pbuilder finished
[12:27] <koke> and now it says 7 updates when I know there are about 200
[12:27] <smurfix> Kamion: don't re-upload yet
[12:28] <Kamion> smurfix: I already have
[12:28] <Kamion> I need working statistics and full translation files
[12:28] <smurfix> Kamion: bah ;-) I just found a problem when people set the keymap multiple times
[12:28] <Kamion> smurfix: ok, just please check debdiff between old and new .dscs before uploading :)
[12:28] <smurfix> Kamion: I'll make sure to double-check next time
[12:29] <Kamion> thanks
[12:29] <mvo> koke: strange. I just run pbuilder update and it does not affect the icon
[12:29] <mdz> smurfix: by the way, I find it a bit awkward that when the user opts to select the keymap from a list, they end up back at the same menu, rather than continuing immediately
[12:30] <mdz> the confirmation makes sense for the detected layout, but less so for selecting from the list
[12:31] <smurfix> mdz: Two reasons -- they can check that the map is correct, and having a single exit point is a Good Thing imho. But if y'all think neither is a problem, sure, I can change it
[12:32] <elmo> mdz: I think all 3 arches are done
[12:32] <elmo> they stopped buildding anyways
[12:32] <smurfix> (some places have different keymaps and people might not know which is the right one)
[12:32] <elmo> right upload.u.c's going away!
[12:45] <elmo> OH DEAR LORD
[12:46] <smurfix> which one?
[12:46] <ogra> heh
[12:46] <elmo> "/dev/hahasuckeryourscrewed has been mounted 30 times.  Please give over the rest of your life to waiting for the fsck to finish."
[12:46] <elmo> that's all right, it's only a .5TB partition with something like 8% free
[12:46] <elmo> I'm sure it won't take long AT ALL
[12:46] <smurfix> reboot with init=/bin/sh, tune2fs, reboot again
[12:46] <ogra> argh
[12:47] <elmo> won't that dirty the partition
[12:47] <smurfix> no
[12:47] <smurfix> it's opened readonly as long as nothing needs to be fixed
[12:49] <smurfix> You might dirty your root (dunno when that's switched to r/w), but I assume that's a bit smaller
[12:52] <elmo> e2fsck needs an online check mode
[12:52] <elmo> who the hell's got time to sit through TB's worth of fscking?
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> e2fsck isn't exactly what you'd call an enterprise class filesystem
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> *ext2
[12:55] <schweeb> I like XFS, but its recent problems with grub make it an annoyance to use
[12:55] <lamont> Kamion: http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4111&n=12
[12:55] <ogra> HrdwrBoB, my last 3TB fs was around 1999 :) i switched the array to xfs in 2000
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> ahh cool :)
[12:57] <ogra> and reiser was never an option, but the only alternative to xfs ;)
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> that is going to become more an issue
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> esp as large arrays become more commodity items
[12:58] <zyga> ogra: not that I'm fs guru or something but why reiser was not an option?
[12:58] <schweeb> back then reiser kinda had a knack for losing data
[12:59] <schweeb> I know a couple people that got burned by it
[12:59] <ogra> zyga, reiser is crack i dont let near my systems
[12:59] <zenwhen> reiser is pretty nice, stable and fast now
[12:59] <zenwhen> 3.6 that is
[12:59] <zenwhen> I am not bothering with 4 yet
[12:59] <zyga> ogra: I see... I'm using reiser since last year only ;] 
[01:00] <zenwhen> oh cool
[01:00] <ogra> zyga, hans has a bad attitude to offer buggy stuff as stable....(he just tries it again with the new reiser)
[01:01] <zyga> ogra: reiser4 seemd nice except for /let's/mess/the/namespace 
[01:01] <zyga> s/md/med/
[01:02] <Kamion> lamont: haha, excellent
[01:02] <ogra> zyga, i know hans reiser and how is underpaied slaves have to work for him, i wouldnt touch anything from him before it has matured a while in the kernel tree where sane people have looked it over 
[01:02] <lamont> Kamion: and true to form for that excellent news source.
[01:03] <lamont> Kamion: OTOH, it's not exactly kind... :-)
[01:03] <zyga> ogra: I remember hans' lively discussions on lkml about how r4 is great
[01:04] <ogra> zyga, but that leaves me biased too much to try it anyway :)
[01:04] <zyga> ogra: he did have a point, but in the end he was totally deaf to what people were saying
[01:04] <ogra> yup, thats him... he cant bear critics
[01:05] <zyga> ogra: it was more like he ignored it and started with the same argument all over
[01:05] <zyga> ogra: but I pity him, there is no real sane way to do what he did with reiser4
[01:05] <ogra> zyga, thats what i mean when i say he cant bear critics
[01:06] <zyga> ogra: well he could also start calling people names but he didn't :-)
[01:08] <dholbach> good night... i'm off
[01:09] <mvo> good night dholbach 
[01:09] <mdke>  night
[01:12] <Mitario> hi everyone
[01:13] <mvo> hey Mitario 
[01:22] <seb128> time to sleep, 'night guys
[01:29] <lytefyre> apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ??
[01:30] <zul> ewww...reiserfs4 i dont think so
[01:44] <Mitario> gn mvo 
[01:45] <ogra> night mvo
[01:45] <lamont> my bad.  exim
[01:45] <mvo> night Mitario, ogra and the rest of you
[01:45] <mdz> Kamion: mini.iso has cdrom-detect on it, right?
[01:46] <opi> night guys
[01:51] <Kamion> mdz: mini.iso is just a format, not an image type; which architecture and directory are you referring to?
[01:52] <mdz> Kamion: dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[01:52] <Kamion> oh, actually, all the Ubuntu mini.iso files are netboot
[01:52] <Kamion> mdz: no, it doesn't
[01:52] <mdz> crap
[01:53] <Kamion> it netboots, it doesn't touch the CD after it boots from it
[01:53] <Kamion> mini.iso is just a handy format to carry the netboot kernel/initrd around in
[01:53] <mdz> roger
[01:54] <Kamion> it's possible to build other mini.iso types (like monolithic), but generally only done for debugging
[01:56] <mdz> helix is able to reproduce #1440 with preview, and I wondered if mini.iso could be used to re-test something more recent, without downloading another complete image
[02:01] <Kamion> mdz: she could try a netboot install and see if the CD shows up in /dev/cdroms/ after hardware detection
[02:01] <Kamion> mdz: not a bulletproof test, but it would be interesting, particularly if accompanied by a control test with the netboot kernel/initrd on the preview CD
[02:06] <Mitario> good night everyone
[02:09] <Kamion> poo, busybox-cvs grep is missing half the useful options, like -x
[02:14] <lamont> there.  exim fixed.
 debconf-updatepo... also known as "I'm feeling unproductive today.
[02:27] <Kamion>         Please give me a huge diff to check in"
[02:27] <Kamion> seems particularly appropriate today
[02:27] <Kamion> $ dscdiff choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu11.dsc choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu12.dsc | wc -l
[02:27] <Kamion> 79546
[02:36] <schweeb> Kamion: you're on the community council, right?
[02:39] <Kamion> schweeb: yeah
[02:40] <lamont> Kamion: that's just poupdate?
[02:40] <Kamion> lamont: pretty much
[02:40] <schweeb> Kamion: wiki said I should consult a CC member about becoming a ubuntu member... I threw myself on the agenda already at dholbach's recommendation... what else do I need to do to make it easier to happen, and when is the next meeting
[02:41] <Kamion> schweeb: best thing you can do is link to a wiki page about yourself from the agenda, and make sure it has as many things on it that you've done for Ubuntu as you can
[02:42] <Kamion> schweeb: also, work with other Ubuntu folks until the date of the meeting so that they have good things to say about you
[02:42] <schweeb> okay, done a pretty good job at that so far
[02:42] <Kamion> basically give us enough evidence that you're good so that we don't have to defer you pending more evidence :)
[02:43] <Kamion> schweeb: next meeting's in two and a half weeks; it would have been a week earlier than that, but that's the day before Hoary releases and none of the CC members really wanted to have a meeting at that point
[02:43] <schweeb> I fixed 2 pkgs yesterday and am probably getting a NEW package into universe (it's approved, just needs to be uploaded)
[02:43] <schweeb> yea, I figured it'd be deferred
[02:44] <Kamion> schweeb: we'll probably do membership and MOTU stuff at the same time, to catch up on backlog
[02:44] <schweeb> ok, cool
[02:53] <mako> ogra, mdz: the current system is that i keep a master list of signed cocs.. every time i modify it, i gpg sign it and put it in a place that elmo can check
[02:53] <mdz> mako: and you ping elmo when there's a new batch of entries to process?
[02:53] <mako> ogra, mdz: however, after the last CC meeting, i think i'm going to put it somewhere public (people.u.c/~mako/)
[02:54] <mako> i haven't done it yet, it's only a 3 day old process :)
[02:54] <mako> but that's the idea
[02:56] <mdz> Kamion: dscdiff?
[02:59] <mdz> Kamion: any interesting changes to debian-cd recently?  I just pulled the hoary-live-amd64.iso I built earlier today, and it doesn't boot (doesn't even load isolinux)
[02:59] <mdz> mounts OK, looks OK, md5sums check out so far
[02:59] <mdz> same test hardware as always
[03:00] <mdz> I burned an earlier image in the same drive, same media, earlier today, and it booted in the same box
[03:00] <mdz> guess I'll re-burn
[03:02] <Kamion> mdz: dscdiff is my alias for debdiff with different completion rules
[03:02] <Kamion> mdz: today I imported debian-cd into arch and switched little to using that
[03:02] <mdz> Kamion: ooh, clever
[03:02] <mdz> debdiff completion is pretty awkward considering its multiple invocations
[03:02] <Kamion> the code should've stayed pretty much identical though; I was very very careful with diffs
[03:03] <Kamion> mdz: I also have debdiff-changes, and I made debdiff only complete on .debs
[03:03] <mdz> Kamion: second burn boots fine; this media must be starting to go
[03:03] <Kamion> ok, good, you had me worried there
[03:04] <Kamion> I definitely want to hear about weird CD occurrences at the moment, despite all my paranoid diffing
[03:13] <mdz> Kamion: a tiny cosmetic thing that's been bugging me; when using kbd-chooser on amd64 and i386, I get "Dvorak", while on powerpc I get "dvorak"
[03:15] <Kamion> mdz: yes, USB keymap names are different (powerpc always uses the USB keymaps regardless of actual hardware) and I think kbd-chooser always selects the AT names rather than the USB names so the back-translation fails to happen
[03:15] <Kamion> or something like that
[03:15] <Kamion> I get "uk" typically
[03:17] <Kamion> actually just translation rather than back-translation; "Dvorak" is en.po for "dvorak", but powerpc has "mac-usb-dvorak" and the translations will be taking place with reference to that set of msgids
[03:22] <lamont> Kamion: looking at 3134 (libsmbclient.a is -fPIC), and thinking I don't much care - esp since I think I may have been the one that caused the -fPIC to get there in the first place...)
[03:24] <Kamion> lamont: I've totally forgotten whatever conversation I had with Steve about that :)
[03:24] <lamont> more to the point, I figure we should fix it as soon as we snap the fixed version from sid...
[03:24] <mdz> have none of you powerpc users noticed that pbbuttonsd doesn't have an lsb-ified init script?
[03:24] <mdz> lamont: is that in your ball of patches?
[03:25] <lamont> Kamion: it's a symptomatic issue for libraries: they build the .o's once, and then build .a and .so.  is royal pain to fix.
[03:25] <lamont> mdz; checking
[03:25] <lamont> 1580, btw
[03:25] <lamont> and not in the list, but should be.
[03:26] <Kamion> lamont: I can imagine. double-build, yay
[03:27] <lamont> Kamion: exactly
[03:27] <lamont> and the simple fix is to just make a -fPIC .a :-)
[03:27] <mdz> lamont: mysql, squid, hpoj, tftpd-hpa, heartbeat, pbbuttonsd
[03:27] <mdz> lamont: those are the ones on my list
[03:28] <mdz> Kamion: fwiw, powerpc and amd64 live cd tests were successful
[03:28] <lamont> mdz: will upload those tonight, assuming they don't make me run away screaming
[03:28] <mdz> lamont: the only ugly error left on the live CD is "none busy - remounting read-only"
[03:28] <mdz> lamont: have I mentioned how it scares the shit out of me for that to happen a few days before the release candidate?
[03:29] <lamont> mdz: yeah. hence they must be trivial.
[03:29] <Kamion> English normal (no question), German normal (question, answered yes, l-s-* installed), German server (no question), German normal (question, will answer no, shouldn't install l-s-*)
[03:30] <lamont> and mysql-server qualifies as more scary than I like
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> the gnome devs are gonna be pissed at me; I edited MemoryReduction on the wiki like 6 times, and every time it e-mails like 10 people, who now have been spammed to hell.
[03:33] <schweeb> bluefoxicy: isn't that a bit OT for #ubuntu-devel ?
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> schweeb:  yes.  I just felt like saying it, because people will claim it's OT, then i'll shut up, and somebody might spend the next 5 days wondering wtf I'm smoking :)
[03:35] <adobbie> schweeb: bluefoxicy doesn't know about on topic
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> adobbie:  I'm learning!  . . . slowly. . .
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> I rant off topic much less now than last year
[03:36] <mdz> bluefoxicy: it's still too much
[03:37] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  true.
[03:43] <csj> hello, is any service will replace the /etc/X11/xorg.conf in liveCD?  since I remove too many packages and it wont replace it :(
[03:44] <csj> eg: my video card is nvidia, but xorg.conf write "ati"
[03:44] <csj> and I wont override it, but original liveCD will do it, naybe because I remove some package?
[03:45] <mdz> csj: #ubuntu, please
[03:45] <csj> mdz: thanks
[03:47] <dross> mdz: you must be a police officer for #ubuntu-devel ;)
[03:48] <Kamion> woo, test #4 passes
[03:49] <mdz> dross: it feels that way some days
[03:49] <Kamion> dross: somebody has to be
[03:49] <lamont> mdz: of course, if you say 'no', I won't upload any of those...  but so far it looks like tftp-hpa is the first yes, mysql/squid are non-trivial, and hpoj is "RUN AWAY SCREAMING"
[03:50] <mdz> lamont: let's forget about it; it's too late to touch that stuff
[03:50] <mdz> it's just really unfortunate because most of those are user-contributed patches which have been sitting in bugzilla for months
[03:50] <mdz> and I hate for them to feel like their contributions weren't welcome
[03:50] <lamont> mdz: cool
[03:50] <lamont> none of your list had patches in that bug
[03:51] <lamont> and sadly, several of the submitted ones to 1580 had the same lack of understanding of -e as their predecessor
[03:51] <mdz> bleah
[03:51] <lamont> yeah - so you get 'ok' or ''
[03:52] <lamont> actually '[ok] ', or ''
[03:52] <lamont> how soon after hoary release will we have breezy, I wonder?
[03:53] <mdz> the xinetd one looks reasonable
[03:53] <lamont> for that matter, other than DC resources, couldn't we create that and start syncing it now?
[03:53] <mdz> (not that I think we should change it, but it doesn't have set -e breakage)
[03:53] <mdz> lamont: jbailey/doko want to wait, because we're going to do toolchain changes first
[03:53] <Kamion> +msgid "Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details."
[03:53] <Kamion> +msgstr ""
[03:53] <Kamion> +"Veuillez vrifier /var/log/messages ou consultez la console virtuelle 4 pour "
[03:53] <lamont> several are reasonable, some assume that -e is not specified, and then you get to look and see which it is...
[03:53] <Kamion> +"obtenir des prcisions."
[03:53] <lamont> mdz: right
[03:54] <mdz> Kamion: that's how they spell "syslog" in French ;-)
[03:54] <Keybuk> though if we started it now, there's more time for lamont to remember to turn on the gcc flags this time ... :p
[03:54] <lamont> mdz: btw, I made the fiat decision that universe packages that do not install/remove noninteractively get my full attention for a minute or 3. (e.g., exim)
[03:54] <lamont> (and are build-deps of anything)
[03:55] <lamont> Keybuk: that's not it,and you know it.
[03:55] <lamont> it was turning them _off_ that was the grand warty mess...
[03:55] <mdz> lamont: if they're blocking MOTU work, that's appropriate
[03:55] <lamont> hrm.. would be interesting to know how much of hoary is virgin warty-release bits...
[03:56] <lamont> mdz: yeah - more to the point, it was screwing with the hoary-test run, which in turn, was messing with MOTU
[03:56] <Keybuk> lamont: surprisingly little
[03:56] <lamont> Keybuk: good.
[03:57] <lamont> because warty/ppc binares are at least partially thpetial
[03:57] <Kamion> lamont: how come?
[03:58] <lamont> -O2 was force
[03:58] <lamont> d
[03:58] <Kamion> ah
[03:58] <lamont> yeah.  'ah'.
[03:58] <Kamion> rather than allowing -O3, you mean?
[03:58] <lamont> no, rather than allowing -O0 or -O1
[03:58] <lamont> they were all -O2, -O3, or -Osize?
[03:58] <Kamion> oh, I thought gcc-opt clobbered -O0 and -O1 in general
[03:59] <adobbie> -O0 makes terrible code 
[03:59] <lamont> -O2,-Os,-O3
[04:00] <lamont> Kamion: prior to oxford, all 3 archs were using opt: 2..3. after that they werent.
[04:00] <lamont> they use 0 3
[04:00] <Kamion> mkay, I'm obviously remembering stuff from Oxford
[04:00] <Kamion> and powerpc didn't get blown away in the grand rebuild?
[04:00] <lamont> oh, and in the 'prior' camp, if you didn't say -O<something> you got -O2
[04:00] <lamont> nope
[04:00] <lamont> only i386 got blown away at oxford
[04:00] <lamont> amd64 got toasted later for other reasons
[04:01] <lamont> and after amd64, we were pretty good at knowing what we had to do to reburn the archive.....  Another lost art. :-)
[04:02] <Kamion> ah, much healthier translation stats when I include new choose-mirror
[04:02] <Kamion> fr: 915 translated messages, 32 fuzzy translations, 52 untranslated messages.
[04:02] <Kamion> (that's the best one)
[04:02] <lamont> woot
[04:02] <Kamion> lamont: #1: remind lamont to upload glibc? :-)
[04:03] <lamont> it's more a question of what to nuke in what order, don't forget proxies (if any), cache flushing, etc,etc,etc.
[04:03] <lamont> ah, yeah.  that was pre-DC signing
[04:03] <lamont> I'm so glad to not have my house be critical infrastructure any more
[04:04] <Kamion> $ msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null ~/public_html/installer-po/template.pot
[04:04] <Kamion> 0 translated messages, 999 untranslated messages.
[04:04] <Kamion> aww, just one short
[04:04] <Kamion> lamont: fabbione's ADSL surprised me by turning out to be critical infrastructure at one point
[04:04] <lamont> yeah
[04:05] <lamont> Kamion: and if you add one more, it'll be way over 1000...
[04:05] <lamont> Kamion: I think we all knew that my house was crit infra though
[04:05] <Kamion> actually, that's not including new archive-copier, which adds two strings
[04:05] <schweeb> 22:03 < Ozymandias> GAH
[04:05] <schweeb> 22:04 < Ozymandias> "yeah, i'm identified"
[04:05] <schweeb> 22:04 < Ozymandias> turns out he doesn't even have his nick registered
[04:06] <schweeb> urgh
[04:06] <schweeb> sorry
[04:06] <lamont> schweeb: you're supposed to wait until _AFTER_ you become a member/motu to do things like that... :-)
[04:07] <schweeb> lamont: heh. the problem is my piece of shyte Dell 8200... the trackpad goes wonky once in a while, and middle click pastes for no reason... even if I'm not touching it
[04:07] <lamont> lol
[04:08] <Keybuk> sure, blame the Dell ;)
[04:08] <schweeb> hopefully I get a new laptop in the near future...
[04:08] <lamont> mdz: tomorrow is holiday, yes?  (not that it really makes much diff)
[04:08] <mdz> lamont: hell if I know
[04:08] <lamont> schweeb: btw, did ethereal finally get in a state where you're happy?
[04:09] <lamont> mdz: some dead guy
[04:09] <schweeb> lamont: yea, it's all built now
[04:09] <schweeb> all arches
[04:09] <lamont> sorry - fast times at ridgemont high reference
[04:09] <Keybuk> lamont: yeah, you know the one; Jesus gets nailed and killed on Friday, but is back for tea on Sunday
[04:09] <schweeb> lamont: although the i386 debs haven't made it to archive yet, dunno what the holdup is
[04:10] <lamont> Keybuk: that'd be the 'canonical dead dude holiday' then?
[04:10] <lamont> schweeb: uh, yeah.  I do
[04:10] <lamont> they'll make it as soon as the other machine builds it.  - was too lazy to deal with that right now.
[04:10] <Keybuk> dunno, hollow chocolate eggs come into it somewhere as well
[04:10] <lamont> rothera is not a happy camper.
[04:10] <schweeb> ahh
[04:10] <schweeb> okay then :)
[04:10] <Keybuk> not really sure what they have to do with a dead dude; maybe he over-ate
[04:10] <schweeb> lamont: laziness I can understand
[04:11] <lamont> actually, I hate it when perl says anything
[04:11] <lamont> Keybuk: seen fast times?
[04:11] <Keybuk> "fast times" ? nope
[04:11] <lamont> "so what you're telling me, Mr Spicoli, is that Napoleon was a short, fat, dead dude?"  "yeah."
[04:11] <Kamion> lamont: wasn't that Bill and Ted?
[04:12] <lamont> you see, all our holidays are about dead dudes.
[04:12] <lamont> Kamion: damn.  I think you're right
[04:12] <schweeb> Kamion is correct
[04:12] <lamont> spicoli is much cooler than ted, though
[04:12] <Kamion> mdz: don't expect me around much tomorrow, certainly; not feeling very well and my hours have been way too long this week anyway
[04:12] <lamont> so, s/fast times at ridgemont high/bill&ted/g
[04:12] <mdz> Kamion: yep
[04:12] <Kamion> I'm not going to pass up a holiday while it's there ;)
[04:13] <Kamion> anyhow, archive-copier's in, base-config changes for hoary-updates made locally but I'll wait until I'm more awake to test them
[04:13] <mdz> lamont: http://www.fxstreet.com/nou/bank/bankholidays.asp
[04:14] <lamont> mdz: is the canonical(sic) list?
[04:14] <mdz> lamont: it's the one I use
[04:14] <lamont> works for me
[04:15] <lamont> what's all those 'u's doing in words like labor - obviously not an american site...
[04:15] <lamont> hrm.. good friday isn't listed for the US... must call bank in morning. :-)
[04:17] <Keybuk> it's UK holidays are wrong too
[04:17] <Keybuk> New Year's Day was 3/1 this year and Christmas will be 27/12
[04:18] <mdz> Keybuk: you get _two_ new year's days in 2005
[04:18] <mdz> (got)
[04:18] <Keybuk> heh, yeah, and that
[04:22] <mdz> I liked the other list because it had many countries on it
[04:22] <mdz> oddly enough, that one has two new year's days too
[04:24] <dredg> here, at least, good friday is a bank holiday and not a public holiday
[04:24] <dredg> that said, nobody really works good friday. everyone just takes it as a holiday anyway
[04:25] <mdz> Christians, anyway
[04:26] <dredg> it's not that long ago that catholocism had a special place in our constitution.
[04:26] <dredg> still does in many respects
[04:27] <dredg> all pubs and off licences must close on good friday here. it's insane.
[04:27] <dredg> a nationwide day off, with a long weekend and you can't get a drink. in ireland.
[04:27] <dredg> incredible.
[04:27] <lamont> mdz: Out of memory!
[04:28] <Lathiat> dredg: haha
[04:28] <mdz> lamont: ECONTEXT
[04:28] <schweeb> lamont: it's better having perl say that than the kernel ;)
[04:28] <lamont> vmstat
[04:28] <lamont> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
[04:28] <lamont>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
[04:28] <lamont>  0  0      0 2869692 567184  11316    0    0   127    61  261   183  3  1 93  3
[04:28] <lamont> mdz: this mornings fun
[04:28] <mdz> oh, that
[04:28] <lamont> yeah.
[04:29] <mdz> elmo and I dug up a patch which ought to fix that
[04:29] <lamont> terranova joins rothera in its unhappiness
[04:29] <lamont> terranova is running 2.6.10
[04:29] <mdz> err
[04:29] <lamont> yeah
[04:29] <mdz> that patch was incorporated in 2.6.9
[04:29] <mdz> since when are we running 2.6.10 in production?
[04:29] <lamont> since today when elmo upgraded 2/3 machines to that
[04:30] <lamont> interestingly, the 2 i386 machines that are bitching now are the ones running 2.6.10
[04:30] <dredg> night
[04:30] <lamont> Kamion: so you wanted archive-copier/i386 to make it into the archive, yes?
[04:32] <Kamion> lamont: ideally, yeah
[04:33] <Kamion> lamont: before next daily CD build would be good I think
[04:33] <lamont> oh, sure.  put a time limit on it.
[04:33] <Kamion> but I suspect that may not be happening ;)
[04:33] <lamont> Kamion: don't worry - it's not alone... plenty of company
[04:42] <lamont> DOH
[04:43] <lamont> mdz: can I pretty please change glibc?
[04:46] <lamont> --- debian/local/usr_sbin/tzconfig      2005-03-24 20:43:59.541655099 -0700
[04:46] <lamont> +if [ ! -t 0 ] ; then
[04:46] <lamont> +       echo "Non-interactive:  quitting."
[04:46] <lamont> +       exit 1
[04:46] <lamont> +fi
[04:46] <lamont> +
[04:47] <lamont> perl really doesn't like it when you tell it to read 1.1GB of looping tzconfig crap into memory
[04:48] <lamont> mdz: thoughts?
[04:48] <lamont> hrm... and no jbailey either
[04:49] <lamont> Kamion: your upload processed, btw
[04:49] <lamont> or rather, the binaries from your upl.oad
[04:50] <Kamion> lamont: cool, ta
[05:00] <lamont> mdz: thoughts on stubbing out start-stop-daemon in the buildd chroots?
[05:16] <sabmoc> hello all
[05:16] <sabmoc> jbailey, ping re:wiki
[05:45] <Keybuk> 71G     /home/scott
[05:45] <Keybuk> aww, not as bad as I thought
[05:51] <Lathiat> heh
[05:51] <daniels> lamont: what's dbus-1 done?
[05:51] <daniels> lamont: and my understanding was that policy-rc.d or whatever was just stubbed to return 101 in buildd chroots so services didn't get started on postinst
[06:14] <fabbione> morning
[06:15] <jdub> mdz: there was never any relationship between the timing of our RC and timing of the first gnome point release
[07:03] <jbailey> lamont: hein?  Que-ce qui ce passe?
[07:03] <jbailey> sabmoc: 'sup?
[07:05] <schweeb> jdub: gsf-sharp should be goin in soon, it got all the reviews it needs :)
[07:08] <opi> morning
[07:25] <sabmoc> jbailey, its in the email
[07:26] <jdub> schweeb: rock!
[07:26] <jdub> schweeb: only problem... we need a fixed up mono (or a micro upgrade) for beagle 0.0.8 :-)
[07:26] <Lathiat> whats gsf stand for?
[07:27] <jbailey> sabmoc: Thanks.  I'll look at it a bit more in the morning.
[07:27] <sabmoc> jbailey, np, hows it going out there?
[07:28] <jbailey> sabmoc: Good, tired.
[07:29] <fabbione> hey jbailey 
[07:30] <fabbione> jbailey: did you have any time to check at mpeg2dec?
[07:30] <jbailey> Heya Fabio
[07:30] <jbailey> fabbione: YEah, turns out the fix was right bogus anyway.  It seems it relied on a post gcc-3.3 quirk to disable all altivec for ppc, fixing the bug.  That package is going to have issues post-hoary.
[07:31] <fabbione> jbailey: ah i see.. that might be the same reason why mplayer fails on altivec code on ppc with gcc-3.3
[07:31] <jbailey> fabbione: Still, it has the advantage of working rather than segfaulting, so I'll probably mark it gcc-3.2 for everyone but PPC to fix it for you.
[07:31] <jbailey> fabbione: Either that or I can hack out the inline.
[07:31] <fabbione> you mean gcc-3.3
[07:31] <jbailey> Err, yeah.
[07:31] <fabbione> eheh ok :-)
[07:32] <fabbione> eitherway i don't mind :-)
[07:32] <fabbione> probably in the short term the hack is better
[07:32] <fabbione> and we can take time to fix it for breezy
[07:32] <jbailey> Yeah.  I'll be getting a sparc station soonish again, so I'll try to fix it right for breezy.
[07:32] <fabbione> jbailey: sparc should be installable again pretty soon
[07:32] <jbailey> Without this, totem-gstreamer just sucks, though.
[07:33] <jbailey> (on ppc)
[07:33] <fabbione> jbailey: elmo had to stop the rsync mirror towards sparc.u.c for some reasons, so debootstrap will fail due to missing packages
[07:33] <jbailey> Ugh.
[07:33] <jbailey> Well, it'll be nice if we can provide a solid sparc arch.
[07:33] <fabbione> elmo sais that it will be fixed in a few days
[07:34] <fabbione> it is a server load problem mainly, and he needs to move the mirror
[07:34] <jbailey> Cool.
[07:34] <fabbione> so nothing really impossible :-)
[07:34] <fabbione> just time consuming
[07:34] <jbailey> I also have to make sure that I'm using machines that are OK'd for Ubuntu.  I've got clearance for most of them now.
[07:34] <jbailey> (Since they were donated to me for debian glibc work, I'm checking to make sure I don't trip across politics)
[07:35] <fabbione> right.. sounds reasonable
[07:35] <fabbione> and fair
[07:35] <fabbione> but you can always dualboot them :)
[07:35] <jbailey> Well.....
[07:35] <jbailey> I'm avoiding putting Ubuntu on the boxes until I'm sure.  The last thing anyone needs is an angry sponsor.
[07:36] <fabbione> right
[07:36] <jbailey> So far getting permission hasn't been hard at all.
[07:36] <fabbione> nice
[07:37] <jbailey> fabbione: Did you see my note in -kernel about 1440, btw?
[07:37] <jbailey> It looked like it got assigned to you almost randomly, and I don't understand why.
[07:37] <fabbione> not yet :-)
[07:38] <jbailey> But I'd like to reassign it to me and close it if you don't have anything special on it.  It's that SATA / ata-piix bug.
[07:38] <fabbione> jbailey: why did you reopen it?
[07:38] <jbailey> Had a report of a recurrance.
[07:38] <jbailey> It's caused me a number of up-in-the-middle-of-the-nighit troubleshooting sessions this week.
[07:39] <jbailey> I'm not young enough to flip timezones like that easily anymore.  I should start prepping for UDU now ;)
[07:39] <fabbione> ehhe i have the same problem here :-)
[07:39] <fabbione> ok reassinged
[07:43] <jbailey> fabbione: Luvly, thanks.  I'm heading off for the night.  If I don't see you online I hope you have a lovely weekend.
[07:43] <fabbione> jbailey: thanks and have fun. Say hello to your wife from me
[07:44] <jbailey>  Ohh..  Really?  Say hi back to him for me.  I miss him.  I want to see him in Helsinki, so he better damned be there.  Oh yeah and congratulations! 
[07:45] <sabmoc> jdub, I am under the impression that plante.ubuntulinux.org is a developer only forum, do you have a position on that?
[07:45] <jdub> it's for ubuntu members
[07:45] <sabmoc> jdub, whats the definition of a member?
[07:46] <jdub> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[07:46] <sabmoc> jdub, the reason I ask is because we are planning to start a canadian-users-blog, ok, let me read that link
[07:47] <fabbione> jbailey: eheheh
[07:47] <fabbione> jbailey: i am not sure i will be there, but you are welcome to pass by copenhagen on the way back and spend a few days here :-)
[07:48] <jbailey> fabbione: You living in Denmark these days?
[07:48] <fabbione> jbailey: yes.. like for the last 4 and half years :)
[07:48] <sabmoc> jdub, member == ubuntu_developer
[07:49] <jbailey> fabbione: Ah, cool.  No idea what are plans are for around then.  I'm running the talks this year for debconf again, so I have to attend that, but aside from that we're hoping to hang out with some friends who've moved to Sweden from Canada.  But maybe we can swing by and say hi. =)
[07:50] <fabbione> jbailey: that would be awesome
[07:50] <crimsun> sabmoc: to be pedantic, a ubuntu member has made a substantial contribution and has signed explicitly the CoC
[07:51] <sabmoc> crimsun, so then member == ubuntu_developer++
[07:51] <sabmoc> uber developer
[07:51] <crimsun> sabmoc: well, I'm a universe maintainer (which implies membership), but I'm not a Ubuntu developer
[07:54] <crimsun> sabmoc: I'm not sure if that helps clarify the distinction; do you have additional questions?
[07:54] <sabmoc> crimsun, maybe I have an different definition of developer. I consider any person who is actively trying to improve the quality of the distrobution to be a developer, no matter if its art, bug reports, maintainership, or downright development. Of course the person has to be extreamly dedicated to truely be considered a "developer", at least in my book.
[07:54] <sabmoc> crimsun, nope :)
[07:54] <crimsun> sabmoc: ah, yes, in that sense, yes, a "developer"
[07:55] <jdub> sabmoc: an ubuntu member is not necessarily a developer
[07:55] <sabmoc> haha
[07:55] <sabmoc> bah
[07:55] <sabmoc> fine
[07:55] <jdub> committer & maintainer are different levels of membership, for technical reasons
[07:56] <jdub> someone who's contributed to ubuntu in completely different ways is as much a member as a developer
[07:56] <sabmoc> jdub, ah, well I did not know there was "levels" of membership, now I see it differently. 
[07:57] <sabmoc> jdub, is there something like a membership tree then?
[07:58] <sabmoc> or is it more of a ladder
[07:58] <jdub> it's described on that page
[08:13] <sabmoc> jdub, sorry, I only skimed it the first time.
[08:15] <jdub> hey
[08:15] <jdub> someone run yelp
[08:15] <jdub> let me know if the front page actually has category link son it
[08:15] <kagou> hi
[08:16] <sabmoc> mine says "help topics: desktop, applications, other documentation, man pages"
[08:16] <jdub> ok, that's good
[08:16] <jdub> something is wrong locally then
[08:19] <sabmoc> does anyone know who is involved in art for ubuntu?
[08:21] <sabmoc> it would be nice if we had an ArtTeam
[08:21] <crimsun> hey, jdub would know :>
[08:21] <sabmoc> someone said to talk to volvoguy, but he is neveronline
[08:22] <jdub> ah, there will be a cool surprise soon after the hoary release related to that :-)
[08:22] <sabmoc> I think there must be an art team already because otherwise where does all the art come from
[08:24] <dholbach> gooood morning
[08:36] <sabmoc> jdub, want me to add you to the CA mailing list?
[08:37] <jdub> no thanks, i'm not in canada
[09:24] <froud> where is the bugzilla for kubuntu done?
[10:00] <_d4vid> hi all
[10:15] <Mirv> is anyone able to say straight away where this is done: after detecting two "sound cards"/mixers (tv-card's and sound card's), the "real" sound card is selected as the primary device? this didn't work in warty, but now it works.
[10:16] <Mirv> and in debian it doesn't work...
[10:16] <Mirv> alsa-base or sth?
[10:16] <bob2> that sounds like luck
[10:18] <mvo> ping seb128
[10:19] <crimsun> Mirv: cat /proc/asound/modules
[11:12] <mdke> jdub, ping
[11:21] <zyga> hmm I'm trying to build capplets 
[11:21] <zyga> but configure failed to indicate missing libxrandr
[11:21] <zyga> should I file a bug?
[11:22] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:22] <zyga> again... libxinerama
[11:22] <Lathiat> might be worth double checking its not just something buggered on your system
[11:22] <zyga> Lathiat: like?
[11:23] <Lathiat> check the configure script to see if it does check for them
[11:23] <zyga> Lathiat: good idea
[11:23] <crimsun> zyga: you need libxrandr-dev and libxinerama-dev
[11:23] <zyga> crimsun: yeah I know (got them already)
[11:24] <crimsun> zyga: ->#ubuntu
[11:27] <Lathiat> :q
[11:34] <mdz> jdub: there so was!
[11:37] <mdz> lamont: wtf are you doing awake?
[11:37] <lamont> cursing, obviouslyu
[11:38] <Lathiat> bah 3:37am is nothign to worry about :)
[11:38] <lamont> woke up, figured I'd check on the buildd's
[11:38] <Lathiat> its when 830am clocks around and work is about to start you need to get worried :)
[11:38] <lamont> Lathiat: my alarm is set for 0600
[11:38] <mdke> that is serious dedication to the job lamont 
[11:38] <Lathiat> well, whatever time work si fo ryou :)
[11:38] <lamont> mdke: nah - is called 'critical path'
[11:38] <mdke> some people wake up in the middle of the night and go to the toilet, lamont checks the build
[11:38] <Lathiat> haha
[11:39] <mdke> lamont, its when you're dreaming about the builds that you should get worried tho :)
[11:39] <Lathiat> heheh
[11:39] <lamont> mdke: if I wasn't fairly convinced it would probably have _something_ wrong, I wouldn't have bothered...
[11:39] <mdke> heh
[11:40] <lamont> mdz: so thoughts on nuking start-stop-daemon in the build chroots?  (no, it's not an automatic part of a chroot, regardless of what daniels said..)
[11:40] <mdz> lamont: motivation?
[11:41] <lamont> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   14 Mar 25 10:41 build-hoary/chroot-hoary/dev/null
[11:42] <lamont> *%&()^&_%&$^ udev
[11:42] <bob2> haha
[11:50] <Lathiat> poor lamont :)
[11:51] <mdke> lets hope he's asleep again now
[11:51] <lamont> nah - just finished
[11:52] <lamont> both the cleanup, and the glass of water
[11:52] <mdke> heh
[11:53] <lamont> mdz: I'm not sure the cure wouldn't be worse than the original problem.  But 'tis very annoying
[11:53] <jdub> mdz: i'm missing scrollback for context
[11:55] <dholbach> lamont: good night
[12:10] <dholbach> hi seb128 
[12:21] <ogra> jdub, will the mono microchange need a recompile for gsf-sharp ? else i'd upload schweebs package today
[12:21] <ogra> s/for/of
[12:21] <ogra> morining btw
[12:21] <dholbach> hey ogra 
[12:22] <ogra> hi dholbach 
[12:22] <mdke> hi you guys
[12:35] <Amaranth> omgwtfhax, recent dist-upgrade made my crossover menu appear again
[12:36] <Amaranth> must have been gnome-menus 2.10.1
[12:37] <Amaranth> looks like the fd.o folks finally decided on what to do if an entry doesn't have an icon set
[12:37] <Amaranth> looks like i'm talking to myself
[12:37] <jdub> ogra: no, doubt it
[12:38] <jdub> Amaranth: that's an ubuntu change
[12:38] <Amaranth> which?
[12:38] <jdub> default icons
[12:38] <Amaranth> ah
[12:38] <ogra> Amaranth, ask koke about it ;)
[12:38] <Amaranth> oh yeah, i read it on ubuntu-devel and someone said if you find a solution let the fd.o guys know
[12:39] <seb128> Amaranth: that's not a fd change but a gnome-panel one
[12:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[01:00] <Mitario> hi everyone
[01:03] <Treenaks> hi
[01:56] <haggai> elmo: any chance of installing screen on novo?
[01:57] <haggai> ogra: who cares, kubuntu has kopete ;)
[01:57] <bob2> irssi 4 lyf
[01:58] <ogra> lol
[01:58] <seb128> haggai: because you think than GNOME people like gaim ? :p
[01:58] <dholbach> what are you guys playing, go fix https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseDoesNotBuild :-)
[01:59] <ogra> haggai, gaim is our nasty pet, every DE needs one ;)
[01:59] <bob2> haha
[01:59] <Treenaks> ready, gaim, fire?
[02:00] <bob2> go fix mono, you slackers
[02:02] <Treenaks> bob2: go scratch you own itch
[02:02] <Treenaks> :P
[02:02] <bob2> hah, I wish
[02:10] <jdub> anyone got a really wide screen?
[02:10] <toresbe> I do
[02:10] <bob2> jblack does
[02:10] <jdub> res?
[02:11] <toresbe> 42" 16:9 8somethingx6something
[02:11] <jordi> Kamion, mvo: just before I leave: nano 1.3.6 in incoming/Debian experiemntal
[02:11] <jordi> see you next week
[02:11] <ogra> jdub, yep
[02:11] <jdub> toresbe: ah, currently connected to your ubuntu box?
[02:11] <jdub> ogra: res?
[02:12] <toresbe> jdub: actually Debian
[02:12] <ogra> 1280x800
[02:12] <jdub> ok
[02:12] <jdub> can you grab the following tarball
[02:12] <jdub> unpack it into /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human
[02:12] <jdub> (just files in the tarball, no basedir)
[02:12] <jdub> and test it full screen?
[02:13] <ogra> yup
[02:13] <jdub> should just require New Login from system tools menu
[02:13] <ogra> ok
[02:13] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/gdm-theme.tar.gz
[02:15] <ogra> jdub, COOL
[02:15] <ogra> and yes, it looks ok 
[02:15] <jdub> fontsize is fine?
[02:16] <ogra> hmm, hard to tell since my fontsize with nv is a bit to small anyway, but its the same size as the norma one has
[02:16] <jdub> weird request -> if you have a digital camera, could you pop up a shot? :)
[02:16] <ogra> jdub, sure
[02:16] <bob2> hah
[02:19] <dholbach> could someone have a look at  http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/multisync.build  and tell me what could be wrong?
[02:19] <jdub> anyone else downloaded and have comments?
[02:20] <dholbach> (and yes, i updated the pbuilder :-))
[02:20] <Treenaks> dholbach: ask seb?
[02:21] <dholbach> Treenaks: i wanted to pester a wieder audience
[02:21] <dholbach> wider
[02:22] <Kamion> dholbach: out-of-date mirror?
[02:22] <Treenaks> hi luis
[02:22] <jdub> btw, latest yelp update gives us elite front page love :)
[02:22] <dholbach> Kamion: i did both apt-get update and pbuilder update
[02:23] <luis> morning, Treenaks
[02:23] <Treenaks> jdub: "elite front page love"?
[02:23] <Kamion> dholbach: that's why I said "mirror"
[02:23] <dholbach> jdub: should only be 5.04 instead of 5.4
[02:23] <dholbach> Kamion: erm
[02:24] <jdub> dholbach: yeah, i know, doc bug
[02:24] <jdub> Treenaks: run yelp
[02:24] <ogra> jdub, www.grawert.net/gdm1.jpg www.grawert.net/gdm2.jpg
[02:24] <jdub> ogra: thanks!
[02:24] <ogra> jdub, but my font size is not a good example
[02:25] <Treenaks> jdub: uh, I'm running SuSE now (office policy..)
[02:25] <ogra> its to small anyway, with nvidia its 1pt bigger 
[02:25] <jdub> ogra: that looks pretty reasonable though, even so
[02:25] <jdub> ogra: want to make a small change and tell me how it looks?
[02:25] <ogra> jdub, your work ?
[02:25] <ogra> yup
[02:26] <jdub> change line 14 to read:
[02:26] <jdub>     <pos x="50%" y="33%" width="scale" height="15%" anchor="c"/>
[02:26] <jdub> same as warty, with suggested changes from cliff
[02:26] <ogra> ah
[02:29] <ogra> jdub, i like the bigger logo (in opposition to others i heard here)
[02:29] <jdub> another shot with that? :)
[02:30] <ogra> okie
[02:33] <jdub> hrm
[02:33] <jdub> one thing i really miss in gimp
[02:33] <jdub> sshots without window decorations
[02:33] <bob2> dholbach: can you install it if you jump into the pbuilder chroot? (pbuilder login)
[02:33] <Treenaks> jdub: what's why people invented xwd | xwdtopng :)
[02:35] <dholbach> bob2: yeah
[02:35] <bob2> that's weird
[02:35] <ogra> jdub, www.grawert.net/gdm3.jpg
[02:35] <dholbach> bob2: i'll re-create it
[02:36] <jdub> ogra: ah, nice
[02:36] <jdub> ogra: thanks heaps!
[02:36] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[02:37] <jdub> does it make you randy? :)
[02:38] <ogra> YEAH
[02:38] <jdub> rock :)
[03:08] <zul> hey
[03:09] <ogra> amu, tritium told me you reviewed kreciepes, could you please comment it on MOTUNewPackages, so we can upload it after the next review
[03:11] <jdub> argh
[03:23] <ogra> hey mako
[03:23] <magnon> jdub: don't growl at it, it seems avengeful :)
[03:25] <mako> ogra: hey there
[03:27] <luis> morning, mako
[03:28] <tritium> mako, remind me if we ever sign keys not to hold your passport ;)
[03:28] <ogra> hehe
[03:29] <ogra> tritium, i already held it in mataro, still washing my hands :)
[03:29] <tritium> haha :)
[03:34] <mako> it was *years* ago
[03:34] <mako> :)
[03:34] <mako> luis: morning!
[03:35] <ogra> mako, tell that to my GF, i'm not allowed to touch her anymore *gg*
[03:36] <Treenaks> omg.. I'm lucky I didn't touch it then :P
[03:36] <ogra> heh
[03:36] <Robot101> robot101@alpha:/data/isos/linux$ ls -la hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:36] <Robot101> -rw-r--r--  1 robot101 robot101 613246976 2005-03-24 02:02 hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:37] <Robot101> robot101@alpha:/data/isos/linux$ rsync -P rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:37] <Robot101> skipping non-regular file "hoary-install-i386.iso"
[03:37] <Robot101> lstat64("hoary-install-i386.iso", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=613246976, ...}) = 0
[03:37] <Robot101> fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 2), ...}) = 0
[03:37] <Robot101> what the hell?
[03:37] <jdub> obviously needs more fibre
[03:38] <Robot101> 0620 character device
[03:38] <Robot101> not bloody likely
[03:38] <Robot101> a mylex PCI raid controller no less
[03:39] <Treenaks> nice
[03:42] <trulux> howI'm having trouble with cdbs, is there any way to make it *not* overriding my CFLAGS?
[03:42] <Robot101> hrm
[03:42] <jbailey> trulux: Not noticably, no.  Your best bet is to set it to what you want it to be in the end.
[03:43] <Robot101> the latter is statting the console, which is a char dev :D
[03:44] <Treenaks> why does the back of my Palm Tungsten have the word "Culus" on it?
[03:44] <trulux> jbailey: how can I make it, at least, appending CFLAGS of the Makefile before compiling?
[03:44] <trulux> jbailey: it's overriding -fPIC so, libssp gets compiled as non-PIC ...
[03:45] <adobbie> trulux: looks like you will just have to stop using CFLAGS for your fPIC
[03:45] <trulux> adobbie: hah
[03:45] <jbailey> trulux: Oy, I'm guessing that this is a Makefile based package without using autoconf/automake?
[03:46] <trulux> jbailey: right
[03:46] <jbailey> Lemme test something, hold a sec.
[03:47] <jbailey> trulux: Override DEB_MAKE_INVOKE
[03:47] <jbailey> The idea that I thought of won't work, so..
[03:47] <jbailey> I would just do something like:
[03:47] <Kamion> seb128: this rescue-check translation of yours looks wrong:
[03:47] <Kamion>  msgid "Ubuntu Installer rescue mode"
[03:47] <Kamion> -msgstr "Entrer dans le mode de rcupration"
[03:47] <Kamion> +msgstr "Entrer dans le mode de rcupration de l'outil d'installation d'Ubuntu"
[03:48] <Kamion> seb128: it's not "enter rescue mode", it's a heading displayed in the top left corner of the screen indicating that you're in rescue mode
[03:48] <jbailey> trulux: Actually hmm..
[03:48] <jbailey> trulux: Is your package ismple enough that just typing 'make' works when building by hand?
[03:49] <jbailey> trulux: And is it a tarball build?
[03:49] <Kamion> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po/ updated, also base-config-po and shadow-po existing now because merging them caused too many weird fuzzies
[03:49] <trulux> jbailey: yes
[03:49] <jbailey> trulux: The complete version of what you want is '$(DEB_MAKE_ENVVARS) make -C $(DEB_BUILDDIR)', but if you're not in a tarball build or whatnot, you could get away with just defining it to make and be done with it.
[03:52] <trulux> jbailey: it's http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/libssp/ (tarball)
[03:52] <trulux> jbailey: just that making shlibs not doing PIC code is an asspain
[03:53] <jbailey> trulux: I don't really want to download the package now if I can avoid it.  Did defining DEB_MAKE_INVOKE work for you?
[03:54] <trulux> jbailey: I'm trying another way
[03:55] <trulux> avoiding cdbs
[03:56] <ogra> trulux, btw, are you guys in #ubuntu-hardened aware of our universe NEW policy ? please make sure your universe packages apply to it if they dont do already... https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackagesPolicy
[03:56] <jbailey> trulux: Does that mean it didn't work, or did you not try it at all?
[03:57] <trulux> ogra: oh, ok, thanks
[03:57] <trulux> jbailey: just I saw my old package, that needs some fixes but among that, it works and shouldn't be hard to fix
[03:57] <ogra> trulux, its just a bit QA and help for DDs that want to adopt packages from us :)
[03:58] <ogra> trulux, but i guess you are working with pitti anyways for the QA...
[03:59] <trulux> ogra: yeah, Martin rocks
[03:59] <trulux> :D
[03:59] <ogra> yup
[04:13] <Mitario> lo everyone
[04:17] <Robot101> lstat64("hoary-install-i386.iso", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=613246976, ...}) = 0
[04:17] <Robot101>         if (!S_ISREG(file->mode)) {
[04:17] <Robot101>                 rprintf(FINFO, "skipping non-regular file \"%s\"\n",
[04:17] <Robot101>                         safe_fname(fname));
[04:17] <Robot101>                 return;
[04:17] <Robot101>         }
[04:17] <Robot101> write(1, "skipping non-regular file \"hoary"..., 51skipping non-regular file "hoary-install-i386.iso"
[04:17] <Robot101> why why why
[04:17] <Robot101> NOOO
[04:18] <Kamion> maybe mode is not the same sort of thing as (struct stat).st_mode
[04:36] <Robot101> Kamion: hmm, good point
[04:44] <trulux> are there any thoughts on upgrading sysvinit?
[04:44] <adobbie> upgrading?
[04:45] <zyga> bsdinit?
[04:45] <adobbie> it works, don't touch it
[04:45] <adobbie> that's what I say
[04:45] <trulux> adobbie: and fuck the selinux kid who is porting patches
[04:46] <trulux> ;)
[04:46] <adobbie> that too ;)
[04:46] <dholbach> re
[04:47] <trulux> hey dholbach 
[04:47] <dholbach> :-)
[05:04] <jdub> so dudes
[05:04] <jdub> a bunch of artwork updates
[05:04] <jdub> let me know what you think -> jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com
[05:04] <jdub> enjoy!
[05:04] <ogra> yeah
[05:04] <dholbach> bye jdub 
[05:04] <ogra> night jdub 
[05:05] <Robot101> Kamion: it was the remote file that was a symlink, not the local file... feh
[05:06] <kagou> hi
[05:12] <zyga> how to teach autotools to extract N_ from .py.in files?
[05:16] <Kamion> Robot101: heh
[05:16] <Robot101> good error message *scowl*
[05:16] <Robot101> the real file was in ../.pool/hoary-install-i386.iso, but you probably know that :)
[05:17] <Kamion> for hoary-preview-install-i386.iso, yeah
[05:21] <mvo> zyga: it dosn't do it alreay? is it in the POTFILES already?
[05:24] <zyga> mov: I need N_
[05:25] <zyga> mvo: BTW: I've got a patch for you 
[05:27] <zyga> mvo: sending now
[05:28] <mvo> zyga: thanks
[05:29] <mvo> zyga: for the N_, have you tried "N_ = gettext.dummy" in the python source? it should be extracted then by autotools
[05:30] <zyga> mvo: I've defined N_(foo) = foo
[05:30] <zyga> mvo: see the patch, it's clumbsy but I'm python newbie 
[05:32] <mvo> zyga: thanks for the patch :)
[05:32] <mvo> zyga: I'll merge it later
[05:33] <zyga> mvo: thanks :)
[06:02] <seb128> Kamion: k for the translations, thanks
[06:28] <fabbione> schweeb: ping?
[06:30] <seb128> jdub: around ?
[06:32] <ogra> seb128, aslee
[06:32] <ogra> p
[06:32] <seb128> he broke my gtk theme
[06:32] <ogra> clearlooks ?
[06:32] <seb128> yep, it looks like the default GNOME one now
[06:32] <seb128> me neither
[06:32] <ogra> again ?
[06:32] <seb128> just started some new apps
[06:33] <seb128> they are ugly
[06:33] <ogra> mine look ok....
[06:33] <seb128> after restarting the panel that's fine for it
[06:33] <seb128> looks like a runtime b0rkage
[06:34] <ogra> ah, wait update-manager is inthe background, not closed yet
[06:34] <ogra> no change, looks ok
[06:36] <ogra> seb128, killed the panel for a test, still looks ok....
[06:37] <ogra> must be your system...
[06:37] <seb128> hum
[06:37] <ogra> heh, but gaim crashed ...
[06:37] <seb128> blaming my system is easy
[06:37] <seb128> I'll try that next time you open a bug :p
[06:38] <ogra> heh
[06:38] <ogra> normally i dont kill my panel, so i'm fine as it is.....
[06:39] <seb128> after restarting apps that's fine again
[06:39] <opi> Kamion, ping
[06:39] <ogra> probably gnome-settings-daemon has a delay or something
[06:40] <seb128> ogra: no, restarting g-s-d doesn't change the look of apps, that's weird
[06:40] <ogra> oh
[06:40] <opi> hi guys
[06:40] <opi> Kamion, shadow-po and base-po are ready for .pl, the installer po files where posted to ubuntu-pl, we'll see if someone will help me with that
[06:47] <opi> hi sven
[06:57] <mdz> wolsisc
[06:57] <mdz> morning
[06:57] <Treenaks> wolsisc? :)
[06:58] <mvo> morning mdz 
[06:58] <zul> hey mdz 
[06:59] <Kamion> opi: ok, will take submissions by e-mail as I said
[06:59] <mdz> Treenaks: that's "morning" shifted right one key position on a dvorak layout
[06:59] <mdz> on the right hand
[06:59] <Treenaks> mdz: ah :)
[06:59] <mdz> with the left hand in proper position
[06:59] <Treenaks> I think we should adopt it :)
[07:00] <opi> Kamion, my part was allready sent
[07:00] <Kamion> opi: um
[07:00] <Kamion> opi: $ msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null pl.po
[07:00] <Kamion> 24 translated messages, 2 fuzzy translations, 2 untranslated messages.
[07:00] <Kamion> (shadow)
[07:00] <Kamion> opi: I don't see how there can be only one fix :)
[07:00] <opi> Kamion, hum.. :)
[07:00] <opi> I'll look again
[07:01] <Kamion> likewise I suspect base-config has some more
[07:01] <Kamion> 98 translated messages, 16 fuzzy translations, 12 untranslated messages.
[07:01] <Kamion> (that's before your changes)
[07:03] <opi> Kamion, I would be *so* happy if your tool could tell me witch one of them are untranslated ;)
[07:03] <opi> Kaloz, I'm looking at shadow now
[07:03] <Kamion> opi: my tool?
[07:03] <opi> msgfmt
[07:03] <Kamion> I have never written any translation-handling tools
[07:03] <Treenaks> opi: msgfmt is part of gettext, afaik
[07:03] <Kamion> however there are many of them out there
[07:03] <opi> Kaloz, I'll restate it, a tool you're using :)
[07:03] <Kamion> I am not Kaloz
[07:04] <Kamion> opi: msgattrib can tell you that
[07:04] <dholbach> mvo: ETA? :-p
[07:04] <Kamion> so 'msgattrib --untranslated pl.po', 'msgattrib --only-fuzzy pl.po'
[07:05] <opi> Kamion, ok, got a shadow.po
[07:05] <Kamion> also, gtranslator is in Ubuntu
[07:07] <opi> Kamion, would you be so kind (I don't want to disturb you from work) a +/- difference between my submission to base-config and number of untranslated msgs?
[07:07] <opi> Kamion, I'm at my gf parents house, and I've a Slackware laptop only ;)
[07:09] <Kamion> slackware doesn't have gettext? surprising
[07:09] <Kamion> opi: if you sent a full .po file as an attachment, that would be easier to do; as it is I will have to mess around a lot with merge tools :)
[07:10] <Kamion> opi: "Hoary Headehog", really? :)
[07:11] <Kamion> opi: you're still missing "A user account will be created [...] " and "Empty root password entered; using sudo." from shadow
[07:11] <opi> Kamion, oh :o
[07:12] <Kamion> those are fuzzy, i.e. gettext has made a guess at a similar translation, but it needs to be manually checked and in some cases retranslated
[07:14] <zyga> Kamion: which pl.po is that?
[07:14] <Kamion> zyga: shadow
[07:14] <opi> zyga, yeah, the translation is missing: uywam sudo ;)
[07:14] <opi> zyga, it's Fenio translation, empty password at Debian won't use sudo
[07:14] <zyga> opi: :-)
[07:16] <Kamion> that is not quite accurate
[07:16] <Kamion> the translation is of "Empty password was entered."; the new msgid is "Empty root password entered; [...] "
[07:17] <Kamion> sigh, translators are not reading translation comments either
[07:18] <Kamion> #. However, translators are required to keep "Choose language"
[07:18] <Kamion> #. as an alternative separated by the "/" character
[07:18] <Kamion> #. Example (french): Choisir la langue/Choose language
[07:18] <Kamion> -msgstr "Sprache whlen/Choose language"
[07:18] <Kamion> +msgstr "Locale whlen"
[07:18] <Kamion> ah, no, I take it back, that comment is for a different msgid
[07:19] <opi> Kamion, .pl has /choose part
[07:19] <opi> Kamion, shadow update has been sent
[07:19] <Kamion> opi: it'll be fuzzy in the translation of "Choose a locale:"
[07:19] <opi> Kamion, I hope you can throw rocks for that distance :-)
[07:20] <Kamion> opi: thanks, will look in a bit
[07:20] <mroth> if I have a bugzilla on gnome-theme-manager, should I file that under gnome-themes, or g-system-tools?
[07:20] <mroth> on the theme manager itself, not the included theme files
[07:21] <zyga> hey new artwork rocks
[07:21] <zyga> who's doing that?
[07:21] <zyga> :)
[07:22] <opi> Kamion, I'm going for hunt on #fuzzy in base
[07:22] <zyga> opi: need a hand?
[07:24] <seb128> Mitario: are you sure than #166185 is a nautilus bug ?
[07:24] <Mitario> seb128, seems like it to me
[07:25] <Mitario> seb128, because trashapplet just moves or deletes the files using gnome_vfs
[07:26] <seb128> k, your call
[07:26] <seb128> this bug will probably stay here for months so :/
[07:27] <seb128> but that works fine with the nautilus trash
[07:27] <Mitario> seb128, yeah true, but.. i can't seem to fix it with trashapplet :-(
[07:27] <seb128> have you tried to look on it ?
[07:27] <seb128> nautilus is bug flooded
[07:27] <seb128> it'll stay in the middle of the pile of bugs, that's why I've opened it on the applet
[07:28] <Mitario> ah, well, i can think of no way how I can fix this in trashapplet
[07:28] <Mitario> trashapplet just moves/deletes the files, nautilus should worry about displaying them
[07:28] <Mitario> otherwise i would have gladly fixed it
[07:28] <seb128> if you move a file from the command line that works
[07:29] <seb128> I don't get why it would not work with the applet
[07:29] <Mitario> me neither, maybe it's some error in gnome_vfs?
[07:29] <seb128> I think that's due to the applet
[07:29] <Mitario> hmm
[07:31] <Mitario> ok well i'll try to investigate further, maybe some nautilus guy will correct me and tell me what i'm doing wrong ;-)
[07:32] <mroth> seb128: filed a mostly cosmetic bug with g-t-m/capplets as #8199 , low priority IMHO
[07:32] <dholbach> alright... have a nice day/evening/morning pals... i'm off - must run to get the train
[07:32] <Mitario> cya dholbach 
[07:34] <Lathiat> is inotify not in 2.6.10-5 ?
[07:34] <Lathiat> ahh i see
[07:36] <opi> zyga, are you on ubuntu-pl?
[07:37] <zyga> opi: no
[07:37] <zyga> opi: # or ml?
[07:38] <opi> zyga, ml
[07:38] <zyga> opi: developer or user ml?
[07:38] <opi> zyga, ubuntu-pl :)
[07:38] <opi> zyga, users
[07:38] <zyga> opi: argh ;] 
[07:39] <zyga> opi: no should I?
[07:39] <opi> zyga, if you like, I've posted a translation request there
[07:39] <opi> zyga, there's nice bunch of Ubuntu guys there
[07:39] <zyga> opi: any archive?
[07:39] <opi> sure
[07:39] <zyga> opi: or request page?
[07:39] <opi> http://lists.ubuntu.com
[07:39] <opi> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/ListaDyskusyjna
[07:42] <zyga> opi: could you post an url to your translation request?
[07:46] <opi> zyga, I'll cut & paste it on query
[07:46] <opi> but I'll be off in a second
[07:47] <opi> bbl :)
[07:47] <zyga> opi: ?
[07:47] <zyga> opi: ok
[07:57] <kain> hi there, some recent upgrades broken Human icon theme
[07:58] <crimsun> clearlooks 0.5, probably.
[07:58] <kain> there were four folders under /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable
[07:58] <kain> yes, I believe so
[07:58] <kain> I see clearlooks were upgraded
[07:58] <kain> but if I use human icons, most files doesn't show an icon
[07:58] <kain> only folders
[07:59] <crimsun> it was discussed in here about 2 hours ago; have you restarted your applications, perhaps logged out and back in?
[07:59] <kain> crimsun, yes, I've done everything, from reinstalling ubuntu-artwork and some packages to create a new user and log in
[07:59] <kain> icons are missing
[08:00] <crimsun> hum, I don't know off the top of my head
[08:00] <ogra> kain, looks youre right, i just restarted nautilus and have the same effect with human
[08:00] <kain> root@striker:/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable # ls -lh
[08:00] <kain> totale 12K
[08:00] <kain> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 2005-03-25 19:52 apps
[08:00] <kain> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 2005-03-25 19:52 devices
[08:00] <kain> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4,0K 2005-03-25 19:52 filesystems
[08:00] <kain> there are three folders
[08:00] <kain> and some icons are missing
[08:00] <kain> I remember that were fours folders of icons
[08:01] <kain> well
[08:02] <kain> btw human icons looks great ;P
[08:02] <kain> clearlooks window borders now seems similar to nvidia themes
[08:02] <kain> some sort of 3d effect
[08:02] <kain> I preferred the flat colro titlebar
[08:02] <kain> :)
[08:03] <kain> color*
[08:04] <kain> hope a fixed package hits repositories soon
[08:04] <ogra> kain, as soon as .au will wake up again someone will work on it ;)
[08:04] <kain> ehe ok
[08:36] <lamont-away> mdz: arouhnd?
[08:36] <lamont> mdz: is woody->hoary upgrade path supported?
[08:37] <lamont> of course, the other question is, why didn't this affect woody->warty?
[08:41] <mdz> lamont: yes I'm around, and no woody->hoary
[08:43] <lamont> cool
[08:45] <lamont> mdz: although 2797 probably applies to woody->warty, given the context
[08:57] <lamont> mdz: 5379 may want a sync - but I'll let you make that call.
[08:58] <mdz> lamont: fine with me
[08:58] <lamont> ok - I'll request the sync then
[09:22] <Kamion> ok, now I'm really confused
[09:23] <lamont> Kamion: that scares me
[09:23] <Kamion> I thought if you had a base-0 cacherev on a baz branch, you didn't have to register the archive you branched from
[09:23] <lamont> you might for merging?
[09:23] <Kamion> i.e. colin.watson@canonical.com--2004/cdimage--mainline--0 -> colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0
[09:23] <Kamion> screw merging, all I want to do is get
[09:23] <lamont> (to branches where the common ancestor is on the branch-source, that is_)
[09:24] <Kamion> and tla does it too
[09:24] <lamont> you should be able to baz-get --2005
[09:24] <Kamion> if I register the colin.watson@canonical.com--2005 archive and 'baz get colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0', it says "archive colin.watson@canonical.com--2004 is not registered"
[09:24] <mdz> ew
[09:24] <Kamion> tla is similar but even less helpful
[09:25] <lamont> Kamion: and there's a cached rev for base-0?
[09:25] <Kamion> lamont: yes
[09:25] <lamont> beat on #arch, it sounds like
[09:25] <Kamion> and patch-4, just to make sure
[09:25] <Kamion> the idea of #arch scares me
[09:25] <lamont> ??
[09:25] <Kamion> a channel full of revision-control-heads ...
[09:25] <lamont> oh, yeah.
[09:25] <lamont> that.
[09:26] <lamont> but it's a helpful bunch of revision-control-heads
[09:28] <Kamion> oh, I bet I know
[09:28] <lamont> ??
[09:28] <Kamion> silly archive-mirror thought it would be fun not to mirror the cacherevs
[09:28] <lamont> cache-revs are local to the mirror, I bet
[09:29] <Kamion> they bloody well ought not to be
[09:29] <lamont> that is, the revision cache is not part of the copy...
[09:29] <Kamion> they get mirrored if you hit the thing harder (i.e. remove mirror, rebuild)
[09:29] <lamont> heh
[09:29] <lamont> file a bug against bazaar in bz, sounds like.
[09:34] <lamont> it's that, or learn to type.
[09:35] <zyga> lamont: hehe :-)
[09:36] <lamont> zyga: done it one time too many.. :-)
[09:36] <zyga> lamont: I've been working on a program called fcqp
[09:37] <zyga> I only recently added rules that checked for fcpq
[09:37] <lamont> lol
[09:37] <zyga> the result was .... a bit of shame
[09:37] <lamont> anyway, off to sit on the neighbor's porch.
[09:37] <Kamion> lamont: filed in malone; https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/264
[09:37] <lamont-away> or figure out what he has
[09:37] <Kamion> I think it's the same as your wiki login
[09:38] <Burgundavia> it is
[09:40] <opi> and thanks gods for that
[09:40] <opi> I should count once how much passwords I have ;)
[09:43] <Kamion>   CHECKSUM FILE(S) DISAGREE WITH
[09:43] <Kamion>   DIRECTORY LISTING ABOUT WHAT
[09:43] <Kamion>   FILES SHOULD BE PRESENT IN
[09:43] <Kamion>   REVISION DIR OF ARCHIVE
[09:43] <Kamion> go baz
[09:59] <schweeb> fabbione: yo
[10:05] <trulux|working> are there any thoughts on upgrading Linux-PAM on Breezy?
[10:06] <zyga> btw....
[10:08] <zyga> is breezy the official name?
[10:08] <lamont_r> breezy badger
[10:09] <trulux|working> just finishing the work on SELinux
[10:09] <trulux|working> at least on userland packages support
[10:14] <trulux|working> http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/ubuntu/
[10:22] <ogra> lamont_r, we live in a time where a 80GB HD is the standard onlaptops ;)
[10:23] <zyga> ogra: IS NOT ;] 
[10:23] <zyga> 128MB really hurts on modern linux desktop
[10:23] <ogra> zyga, when did you buy that one ?
[10:24] <zyga> the only thing that works smoothly is gnome-terminal ;] 
[10:24] <zyga> ogra: long time ago
[10:24] <maswan> zyga: well, you should do alright as long as you don't try to use a graphical browser or something like that. :)
[10:24] <zyga> ogra: but most new laptops have 40GB not 80
[10:24] <ogra> zyga, i'm talking about current ones ;)
[10:24] <zyga> maswan: actually links is a graphical browser but I tend to run it it text mode ;] 
[10:24] <ogra> mine has 80, its 2 months old
[10:25] <ogra> and no, it wasnt expensive....
[10:25] <zyga> ogra: the cheapest laptops usually have 40 gigs
[10:25] <zyga> ogra: where do you live?
[10:25] <ogra> 1250 is mid class i would say
[10:25] <ogra> zyga, .de
[10:25] <adobbie> 512MB is pretty much minimum for a desktop or laptop these days
[10:26] <zyga> adobbie: unfortunatly :/
[10:26] <adobbie> my roomate needs more ram and he already has 1GB
[10:26] <trulux|working> ogra: what the f*ck! in Spain you get an ibook for much less than that
[10:26] <zyga> I'm going to buy an ibook 
[10:26] <trulux|working> zyga: connected minds :)
[10:26] <zyga> but I'm scared that 128/256 will be hell :/
[10:27] <trulux|working> adobbie: hentai shouldn't cost that amount of ram
[10:27] <zyga> powerbooks are way too pricy for me
[10:27] <adobbie> zyga: it will be, I know from first hand experience
[10:27] <trulux|working> adobbie: :)
[10:27] <zyga> ogra: .pl 
[10:27] <adobbie> zyga: if you don't plan to use openoffice or firefox you can probably survive
[10:27] <zyga> ....
[10:27] <zyga> firefox...
[10:27] <zyga> that's a must :/
[10:27] <zyga> anyways I'll try to upgrade the ram
[10:27] <ogra> trulux|working, i wanted to own an ALPHA all my life since i had my first one in my hands ;) so i bought the successor, appledoesnt provide amd64 :)
[10:28] <zyga> ogra: apple has g5's
[10:28] <zyga> ogra: I've got amd64 too :-)
[10:28] <ogra> zyga, for 1250 ??
[10:28] <zyga> ogra: they're really sweet
[10:28] <ogra> (g5 that is)
[10:28] <zyga> ogra: no ;] 
[10:28] <ogra> heh
[10:28] <zyga> ogra: what's that funny utf-8 like char after 1250?
[10:28] <adobbie> I want an Itanium :)
[10:29] <adobbie> zyga: euro
[10:29] <ogra> zyga, do you use xchat ?
[10:29] <zyga> adobbie: itanium has great registers and calling conventions
[10:29] <zyga> ogra: no
[10:29] <ogra>  /charset utf-8
[10:29] <ogra> ah, ok
[10:29] <zyga> ogra: for 1250 euros you can get a pretty decent powerbook
[10:29] <zyga> ogra: but they don't come with g5 :/
[10:29] <ogra> with 80GIG hd and 512 MB ? 
[10:30] <adobbie> zyga: I would expect that Itanium is all that is good about Intel minus the garbage that remains from backwards compatibility
[10:30] <zyga> ogra: yes
[10:30] <zyga> adobbie: and as popular as that garbage....
[10:30] <zyga> adobbie: win... oh you don't run well on itanium, sorry ;] 
[10:30] <adobbie> zyga: damn, how could I survive without Windows...
[10:31] <zyga> ogra: edu discounts from apple are nice, still they have way overpriced stuff
[10:31] <zyga> ogra: I'm going to try though cause my last laptop (gericom, really shitty) falls apart
[10:32] <ogra> heh
[10:32] <zyga> ogra: for 1250 euros you can get amd64 in a laptop 17' box
[10:32] <zyga> ogra: no warranty though ;] 
[10:33] <ogra> zyga, thats what i have (apart from having a 15,4" display, since i want it transportable)
[10:33] <zyga> ogra: (really serious and worth the money) [as long as you don't think where it came from] 
[10:33] <zyga> ogra: I'm getting 12' 
[10:34] <zyga> 15 is waaay to big unless you need to watch movies (i guess that'll make me more productive)
[10:34] <ogra> zyga, i wanted a desktop replacement....
[10:34] <zyga> ogra: me too at first
[10:34] <ogra> so this was the compromise
[10:34] <zyga> ogra: but then I realized that with lots of ram and remote storage I don't need hudge screens  ;] 
[10:35] <zyga> ogra: and working in bed is great :>
[10:35] <ogra> yup
[10:37] <trulux|working> checking path to cracklib dictionary... configure: error: none found
[10:37] <trulux|working> hah
[10:46] <trulux|working> still dying there and I have now the dicts intalled
[10:47] <zyga> trulux|working: anything you need?
[10:48] <trulux|working> zyga: need to know why I'm getting "checking path to cracklib dictionary... configure: error: none found" with the dicts installed properly
[10:49] <zyga> trulux|working: check the source and see where it tries to find your cracklib
[10:49] <zyga> where is it on your system
[10:50] <trulux|working> in the standard patch where Ubuntu installs it :)
[10:50] <trulux|working> I'm building with debuild and getting that
[10:53] <trulux|working> zyga: no idea?
[10:54] <trulux|working> it's stopping me for doing my work
[10:54] <crimsun> trulux|working: what package are you compiling?
[10:55] <trulux|working> crimsun: a new PAM upgraded to 0.78, also going to apply some Fedora patches and fixes, among the SELinux support
[10:55] <trulux|working> for Breezy
[10:56] <crimsun> trulux|working: did you sudo apt-get build-dep pam?
[10:58] <trulux|working> sure
[10:59] <trulux|working> crimsun: *every* build dependency installed
[10:59] <zyga> trulux|working: locate libcrack
[11:00] <zyga> trulux|working: sudo updatedb # if you need
[11:00] <trulux|working> /usr/lib/libcrack.so.2.7
[11:00] <trulux|working>  /devel/hoary/usr/lib/libcrack.so.2.7
[11:00] <trulux|working> everything *ok*
[11:01] <trulux|working> no dicts, that's the fscking error
[11:05] <crimsun> hum
[11:06] <trulux|working> jezz, wasted 10 minutes with it and still not solved
[11:20] <zyga> trulux|working: hmm
[11:20] <zyga> trulux|working: can you locate the part of configure that tries to find your library?
[11:21] <trulux|working> 2541:echo $ac_n "checking path to cracklib dictionary""... $ac_c" 1>&6
[11:21] <trulux|working> 2542:echo "configure:2543: checking path to cracklib dictionary" >&5
[11:21] <trulux|working> 2545:DICT_FILE_CANDIDATES="pw_dict cracklib_dict"
[11:21] <trulux|working> I think I found it
[11:21] <zyga> hmm
[11:21] <trulux|working> it's always good to relax
[11:21] <zyga> :)
[11:21] <zyga> true true
[11:23] <trulux|working> it's not my best day, just a mix of some bad conditions
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> is shipit an ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-user topic?
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> I want to be able to order just livecds, or bundles of boxes (30 to a box right?) with liveCDs and installCDs, individually boxed.
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> I just don't like handing newbies install CDs
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> because they'll erase their hard drives, seriously.
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> they'll be like "Sweet this is cool, I'm gonna install it!  wtf why doesn't windows boot?!  Where'd unreal go?!"
[11:36] <adobbie> bluefoxicy: unreal runs on Linux
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> unreal doesn't come on ubuntu hoary main :)
[11:41] <schweeb> bluefoxicy: ...
[11:41] <schweeb> bluefoxicy: pretty sure that the livecd can install as well
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> o.o;
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> mine can't
[11:42] <adobbie> bluefoxicy: users who don't read warning messages on the screen deserve to learn the hard way
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> adobbie:  I want to convince my employer to distribute livecds
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> so I can make more money
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> by immediately becoming valuable when people suddenly want linux support.
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> I made $239 (after taxes) on my first check :o  33 hours
[11:44] <bluefoxicy> (very high values I have huh?)
[11:45] <adobbie> not quite at the $100/hour level yet
[11:45] <schweeb> (OT)
[11:45] <bluefoxicy> adobbie:  10.5
[11:45] <bluefoxicy> schweeb:  and since when do live cds do real install/upgrade
[11:45] <schweeb> knoppix does it
[11:45] <bluefoxicy> yeah, by copying the fs to the hard drive
[11:47] <bluefoxicy> schweeb:  I meant more like  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/StaticMediaAccompanyingDebs (which was rejected on the list months ago btw, so won't happen)
[11:49] <bluefoxicy> "This would hopefully facilitate a single Live/Install/NetInstall?/Rescue CD in the space of an 80 minute CD-R."  <-- should have said Live/Install/NetInstall/Upgrade/Rescue