=== apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-211.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] bluefoxicy: join #ubuntu-hardened [12:05] Kamion: btw, hoary-updates exists now :P [12:05] elmo: ta, will implement in base-config [12:05] we want it on by default? [12:08] I think we should; we only don't in Debian because we have no control over it [12:08] mdz: just uploaded [12:08] elmo: righto [12:08] does hoary-updates require approval then? [12:09] kamion: no, but we have mdz wielding the pain stick threateningly [12:09] hah [12:09] and/or we can certainly implement some [12:10] but realistically the only thing that would have gone it for warty is the calendars which I think everyone can deal with [12:10] gone in it [12:10] Kamion: on by default, yes [12:11] I'm not sure there's really a point in separating security and updates, but it's what we've got [12:11] mdz: I like it for servers, FWIW [12:11] elmo: I've uploaded an evolution package in warty-updates :p [12:12] elmo: can you think of anything we would put in warty-updates that would be a problem for servers? [12:12] mdz: no, because I don't have evolution or desktop background on mine [12:13] elmo: I mean *-updates [12:13] mdz: but if we used it for "bug fixes" to packages I do use on servers, I appreciate being able to distinguish between that and security fixes === miweit00 [~opera@p54A19FEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:14] but hey, I'm also happy to merge them - suites aren't free in katie [12:14] oh, speaking of, I should probably enable it in buildds too === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.96.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] smurfix: whatever way you're uploading kbd-chooser, it keeps removing debian/po/templates.pot from the source package; could you please sort that out before your next upload? I'm going to fix it up now. [12:18] it breaks translation statistics when that happens === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] hey [12:23] Kamion: you have translation statistics for d-i? [12:23] mdz: yes [12:23] mdz: they're artifically low by about 240 per language at the moment; I'm waiting for rookery's mirror to update in order to fix that === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] when exactly does the update-manager turn grey?? [12:24] Kamion: sorry -- will do. [12:25] mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po/statistics [12:25] koke: when apt is running [12:25] meh, silly powerpc is still building === elmo weighs bus vs. ftp-master in bits [12:25] mvo: I think it has a bug :) [12:26] koke: tell me [12:26] it fades to grey when running pbuilder too :) === smurfix doesn't exactly do anything special or different with these uploads, and will investigate [12:26] smurfix: it almost looks like you have the file ignored in revision control or something [12:26] koke: interessting :) [12:27] mvo: wait, not sure [12:27] smurfix: because I restored templates.pot in ubuntu11, and your ubuntu12 removed it again [12:27] all it took was running debconf-updatepo [12:27] it got color before pbuilder finished [12:27] and now it says 7 updates when I know there are about 200 [12:27] Kamion: don't re-upload yet [12:28] smurfix: I already have [12:28] I need working statistics and full translation files [12:28] Kamion: bah ;-) I just found a problem when people set the keymap multiple times [12:28] smurfix: ok, just please check debdiff between old and new .dscs before uploading :) [12:28] Kamion: I'll make sure to double-check next time [12:29] thanks [12:29] koke: strange. I just run pbuilder update and it does not affect the icon [12:29] smurfix: by the way, I find it a bit awkward that when the user opts to select the keymap from a list, they end up back at the same menu, rather than continuing immediately [12:30] the confirmation makes sense for the detected layout, but less so for selecting from the list === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hllst-66-18-197-136-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] mdz: Two reasons -- they can check that the map is correct, and having a single exit point is a Good Thing imho. But if y'all think neither is a problem, sure, I can change it [12:32] mdz: I think all 3 arches are done [12:32] they stopped buildding anyways [12:32] (some places have different keymaps and people might not know which is the right one) [12:32] right upload.u.c's going away! === LeeJunFan [~junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [~SepheeBea@24-193-111-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] OH DEAR LORD [12:46] which one? [12:46] heh [12:46] "/dev/hahasuckeryourscrewed has been mounted 30 times. Please give over the rest of your life to waiting for the fsck to finish." === smurfix commiserates [12:46] that's all right, it's only a .5TB partition with something like 8% free [12:46] I'm sure it won't take long AT ALL [12:46] reboot with init=/bin/sh, tune2fs, reboot again [12:46] argh [12:47] won't that dirty the partition [12:47] no [12:47] it's opened readonly as long as nothing needs to be fixed [12:49] You might dirty your root (dunno when that's switched to r/w), but I assume that's a bit smaller === ogra remembers his last 3TB fsck.... migh take quite some time.... === Loevborg [~loevborg@d33-99.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] e2fsck needs an online check mode [12:52] who the hell's got time to sit through TB's worth of fscking? [12:54] e2fsck isn't exactly what you'd call an enterprise class filesystem [12:54] *ext2 [12:55] I like XFS, but its recent problems with grub make it an annoyance to use [12:55] Kamion: http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4111&n=12 [12:55] HrdwrBoB, my last 3TB fs was around 1999 :) i switched the array to xfs in 2000 [12:56] ahh cool :) [12:57] and reiser was never an option, but the only alternative to xfs ;) [12:57] that is going to become more an issue [12:57] esp as large arrays become more commodity items === bradb [~bradb@modemcable224.155-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] ogra: not that I'm fs guru or something but why reiser was not an option? [12:58] back then reiser kinda had a knack for losing data [12:59] I know a couple people that got burned by it [12:59] zyga, reiser is crack i dont let near my systems [12:59] reiser is pretty nice, stable and fast now [12:59] 3.6 that is [12:59] I am not bothering with 4 yet === kop|gone is now known as metallikop [12:59] ogra: I see... I'm using reiser since last year only ;] === zyga is too young for this :P [01:00] oh cool [01:00] zyga, hans has a bad attitude to offer buggy stuff as stable....(he just tries it again with the new reiser) === lamont goes back to cleaning up the mess [01:01] ogra: reiser4 seemd nice except for /let's/mess/the/namespace [01:01] s/md/med/ [01:02] lamont: haha, excellent [01:02] zyga, i know hans reiser and how is underpaied slaves have to work for him, i wouldnt touch anything from him before it has matured a while in the kernel tree where sane people have looked it over [01:02] Kamion: and true to form for that excellent news source. [01:03] Kamion: OTOH, it's not exactly kind... :-) [01:03] ogra: I remember hans' lively discussions on lkml about how r4 is great [01:04] zyga, but that leaves me biased too much to try it anyway :) [01:04] ogra: he did have a point, but in the end he was totally deaf to what people were saying [01:04] yup, thats him... he cant bear critics [01:05] ogra: it was more like he ignored it and started with the same argument all over [01:05] ogra: but I pity him, there is no real sane way to do what he did with reiser4 [01:05] zyga, thats what i mean when i say he cant bear critics [01:06] ogra: well he could also start calling people names but he didn't :-) [01:08] good night... i'm off [01:09] good night dholbach [01:09] night === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] hi everyone [01:13] hey Mitario === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === mvo grummbles about modem-applet [01:22] time to sleep, 'night guys === lytefyre [~lytefyre@cpe-24-58-21-200.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ?? [01:30] ewww...reiserfs4 i dont think so === lamont considers options for buildd-health-check scripts === mvo goes to bed now === lamont prepares to upload exim4 [01:44] gn mvo [01:45] night mvo [01:45] my bad. exim [01:45] night Mitario, ogra and the rest of you [01:45] Kamion: mini.iso has cdrom-detect on it, right? [01:46] night guys [01:51] mdz: mini.iso is just a format, not an image type; which architecture and directory are you referring to? [01:52] Kamion: dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [01:52] oh, actually, all the Ubuntu mini.iso files are netboot [01:52] mdz: no, it doesn't [01:52] crap [01:53] it netboots, it doesn't touch the CD after it boots from it [01:53] mini.iso is just a handy format to carry the netboot kernel/initrd around in [01:53] roger [01:54] it's possible to build other mini.iso types (like monolithic), but generally only done for debugging [01:56] helix is able to reproduce #1440 with preview, and I wondered if mini.iso could be used to re-test something more recent, without downloading another complete image [02:01] mdz: she could try a netboot install and see if the CD shows up in /dev/cdroms/ after hardware detection [02:01] mdz: not a bulletproof test, but it would be interesting, particularly if accompanied by a control test with the netboot kernel/initrd on the preview CD === macewan [~macewan@ip68-101-19-222.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] good night everyone [02:09] poo, busybox-cvs grep is missing half the useful options, like -x [02:14] there. exim fixed. === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === goedson [~goedson@200.150.28.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home3 [~Christian@82.127.81.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] debconf-updatepo... also known as "I'm feeling unproductive today. [02:27] Please give me a huge diff to check in" [02:27] seems particularly appropriate today [02:27] $ dscdiff choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu11.dsc choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu12.dsc | wc -l [02:27] 79546 [02:36] Kamion: you're on the community council, right? [02:39] schweeb: yeah [02:40] Kamion: that's just poupdate? === ph [~ph@pD9587E6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] lamont: pretty much [02:40] Kamion: wiki said I should consult a CC member about becoming a ubuntu member... I threw myself on the agenda already at dholbach's recommendation... what else do I need to do to make it easier to happen, and when is the next meeting === schweeb is looking to hopefully become a MOTU soon as well [02:41] schweeb: best thing you can do is link to a wiki page about yourself from the agenda, and make sure it has as many things on it that you've done for Ubuntu as you can [02:42] schweeb: also, work with other Ubuntu folks until the date of the meeting so that they have good things to say about you [02:42] okay, done a pretty good job at that so far [02:42] basically give us enough evidence that you're good so that we don't have to defer you pending more evidence :) [02:43] schweeb: next meeting's in two and a half weeks; it would have been a week earlier than that, but that's the day before Hoary releases and none of the CC members really wanted to have a meeting at that point [02:43] I fixed 2 pkgs yesterday and am probably getting a NEW package into universe (it's approved, just needs to be uploaded) [02:43] yea, I figured it'd be deferred === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] schweeb: we'll probably do membership and MOTU stuff at the same time, to catch up on backlog [02:44] ok, cool === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] ogra, mdz: the current system is that i keep a master list of signed cocs.. every time i modify it, i gpg sign it and put it in a place that elmo can check [02:53] mako: and you ping elmo when there's a new batch of entries to process? [02:53] ogra, mdz: however, after the last CC meeting, i think i'm going to put it somewhere public (people.u.c/~mako/) [02:54] i haven't done it yet, it's only a 3 day old process :) [02:54] but that's the idea [02:56] Kamion: dscdiff? [02:59] Kamion: any interesting changes to debian-cd recently? I just pulled the hoary-live-amd64.iso I built earlier today, and it doesn't boot (doesn't even load isolinux) [02:59] mounts OK, looks OK, md5sums check out so far [02:59] same test hardware as always [03:00] I burned an earlier image in the same drive, same media, earlier today, and it booted in the same box [03:00] guess I'll re-burn [03:02] mdz: dscdiff is my alias for debdiff with different completion rules [03:02] mdz: today I imported debian-cd into arch and switched little to using that [03:02] Kamion: ooh, clever [03:02] debdiff completion is pretty awkward considering its multiple invocations [03:02] the code should've stayed pretty much identical though; I was very very careful with diffs [03:03] mdz: I also have debdiff-changes, and I made debdiff only complete on .debs [03:03] Kamion: second burn boots fine; this media must be starting to go [03:03] ok, good, you had me worried there [03:04] I definitely want to hear about weird CD occurrences at the moment, despite all my paranoid diffing === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] Kamion: a tiny cosmetic thing that's been bugging me; when using kbd-chooser on amd64 and i386, I get "Dvorak", while on powerpc I get "dvorak" [03:15] mdz: yes, USB keymap names are different (powerpc always uses the USB keymaps regardless of actual hardware) and I think kbd-chooser always selects the AT names rather than the USB names so the back-translation fails to happen [03:15] or something like that [03:15] I get "uk" typically [03:17] actually just translation rather than back-translation; "Dvorak" is en.po for "dvorak", but powerpc has "mac-usb-dvorak" and the translations will be taking place with reference to that set of msgids [03:22] Kamion: looking at 3134 (libsmbclient.a is -fPIC), and thinking I don't much care - esp since I think I may have been the one that caused the -fPIC to get there in the first place...) [03:24] lamont: I've totally forgotten whatever conversation I had with Steve about that :) [03:24] more to the point, I figure we should fix it as soon as we snap the fixed version from sid... [03:24] have none of you powerpc users noticed that pbbuttonsd doesn't have an lsb-ified init script? [03:24] lamont: is that in your ball of patches? [03:25] Kamion: it's a symptomatic issue for libraries: they build the .o's once, and then build .a and .so. is royal pain to fix. [03:25] mdz; checking [03:25] 1580, btw [03:25] and not in the list, but should be. [03:26] lamont: I can imagine. double-build, yay [03:27] Kamion: exactly [03:27] and the simple fix is to just make a -fPIC .a :-) [03:27] lamont: mysql, squid, hpoj, tftpd-hpa, heartbeat, pbbuttonsd [03:27] lamont: those are the ones on my list [03:28] Kamion: fwiw, powerpc and amd64 live cd tests were successful [03:28] mdz: will upload those tonight, assuming they don't make me run away screaming [03:28] lamont: the only ugly error left on the live CD is "none busy - remounting read-only" === Kamion tries archive-copier test #4, hopefully final one in the battery [03:28] lamont: have I mentioned how it scares the shit out of me for that to happen a few days before the release candidate? [03:29] mdz: yeah. hence they must be trivial. [03:29] English normal (no question), German normal (question, answered yes, l-s-* installed), German server (no question), German normal (question, will answer no, shouldn't install l-s-*) [03:30] and mysql-server qualifies as more scary than I like [03:33] the gnome devs are gonna be pissed at me; I edited MemoryReduction on the wiki like 6 times, and every time it e-mails like 10 people, who now have been spammed to hell. [03:33] bluefoxicy: isn't that a bit OT for #ubuntu-devel ? [03:35] schweeb: yes. I just felt like saying it, because people will claim it's OT, then i'll shut up, and somebody might spend the next 5 days wondering wtf I'm smoking :) [03:35] schweeb: bluefoxicy doesn't know about on topic [03:35] adobbie: I'm learning! . . . slowly. . . [03:36] I rant off topic much less now than last year [03:36] bluefoxicy: it's still too much [03:37] mdz: true. === csj [~ubunewbie@218-164-181-232.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] hello, is any service will replace the /etc/X11/xorg.conf in liveCD? since I remove too many packages and it wont replace it :( [03:44] eg: my video card is nvidia, but xorg.conf write "ati" [03:44] and I wont override it, but original liveCD will do it, naybe because I remove some package? [03:45] csj: #ubuntu, please [03:45] mdz: thanks [03:47] mdz: you must be a police officer for #ubuntu-devel ;) [03:48] woo, test #4 passes [03:49] dross: it feels that way some days [03:49] dross: somebody has to be [03:49] mdz: of course, if you say 'no', I won't upload any of those... but so far it looks like tftp-hpa is the first yes, mysql/squid are non-trivial, and hpoj is "RUN AWAY SCREAMING" [03:50] lamont: let's forget about it; it's too late to touch that stuff [03:50] it's just really unfortunate because most of those are user-contributed patches which have been sitting in bugzilla for months [03:50] and I hate for them to feel like their contributions weren't welcome [03:50] mdz: cool [03:50] none of your list had patches in that bug [03:51] and sadly, several of the submitted ones to 1580 had the same lack of understanding of -e as their predecessor [03:51] bleah [03:51] yeah - so you get 'ok' or '' [03:52] actually '[ok] ', or '' [03:52] how soon after hoary release will we have breezy, I wonder? [03:53] the xinetd one looks reasonable [03:53] for that matter, other than DC resources, couldn't we create that and start syncing it now? [03:53] (not that I think we should change it, but it doesn't have set -e breakage) [03:53] lamont: jbailey/doko want to wait, because we're going to do toolchain changes first [03:53] +msgid "Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details." [03:53] +msgstr "" [03:53] +"Veuillez vrifier /var/log/messages ou consultez la console virtuelle 4 pour " [03:53] several are reasonable, some assume that -e is not specified, and then you get to look and see which it is... [03:53] +"obtenir des prcisions." === Kamion thwacks seb128 in absentia [03:53] mdz: right [03:54] Kamion: that's how they spell "syslog" in French ;-) [03:54] though if we started it now, there's more time for lamont to remember to turn on the gcc flags this time ... :p [03:54] mdz: btw, I made the fiat decision that universe packages that do not install/remove noninteractively get my full attention for a minute or 3. (e.g., exim) [03:54] (and are build-deps of anything) [03:55] Keybuk: that's not it,and you know it. [03:55] it was turning them _off_ that was the grand warty mess... [03:55] lamont: if they're blocking MOTU work, that's appropriate [03:55] hrm.. would be interesting to know how much of hoary is virgin warty-release bits... [03:56] mdz: yeah - more to the point, it was screwing with the hoary-test run, which in turn, was messing with MOTU [03:56] lamont: surprisingly little [03:56] Keybuk: good. [03:57] because warty/ppc binares are at least partially thpetial [03:57] lamont: how come? [03:58] -O2 was force [03:58] d [03:58] ah [03:58] yeah. 'ah'. [03:58] rather than allowing -O3, you mean? [03:58] no, rather than allowing -O0 or -O1 [03:58] they were all -O2, -O3, or -Osize? [03:58] oh, I thought gcc-opt clobbered -O0 and -O1 in general [03:59] -O0 makes terrible code [03:59] -O2,-Os,-O3 [04:00] Kamion: prior to oxford, all 3 archs were using opt: 2..3. after that they werent. [04:00] they use 0 3 [04:00] mkay, I'm obviously remembering stuff from Oxford [04:00] and powerpc didn't get blown away in the grand rebuild? [04:00] oh, and in the 'prior' camp, if you didn't say -O you got -O2 [04:00] nope [04:00] only i386 got blown away at oxford [04:00] amd64 got toasted later for other reasons [04:01] and after amd64, we were pretty good at knowing what we had to do to reburn the archive..... Another lost art. :-) [04:02] ah, much healthier translation stats when I include new choose-mirror [04:02] fr: 915 translated messages, 32 fuzzy translations, 52 untranslated messages. [04:02] (that's the best one) [04:02] woot [04:02] lamont: #1: remind lamont to upload glibc? :-) === lamont ponders taht one === Kamion remembers the OH MY GOD THE WHOLE ARCHIVE IS UNINSTALLABLE morning [04:03] it's more a question of what to nuke in what order, don't forget proxies (if any), cache flushing, etc,etc,etc. [04:03] ah, yeah. that was pre-DC signing [04:03] I'm so glad to not have my house be critical infrastructure any more [04:04] $ msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null ~/public_html/installer-po/template.pot [04:04] 0 translated messages, 999 untranslated messages. [04:04] aww, just one short [04:04] lamont: fabbione's ADSL surprised me by turning out to be critical infrastructure at one point [04:04] yeah [04:05] Kamion: and if you add one more, it'll be way over 1000... [04:05] Kamion: I think we all knew that my house was crit infra though [04:05] actually, that's not including new archive-copier, which adds two strings [04:05] 22:03 < Ozymandias> GAH [04:05] 22:04 < Ozymandias> "yeah, i'm identified" [04:05] 22:04 < Ozymandias> turns out he doesn't even have his nick registered [04:06] urgh [04:06] sorry === schweeb hangs head in shame === syn-ack [~Matt@h-68-167-215-185.chcgilgm.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] schweeb: you're supposed to wait until _AFTER_ you become a member/motu to do things like that... :-) [04:07] lamont: heh. the problem is my piece of shyte Dell 8200... the trackpad goes wonky once in a while, and middle click pastes for no reason... even if I'm not touching it [04:07] lol [04:08] sure, blame the Dell ;) [04:08] hopefully I get a new laptop in the near future... [04:08] mdz: tomorrow is holiday, yes? (not that it really makes much diff) [04:08] lamont: hell if I know [04:08] schweeb: btw, did ethereal finally get in a state where you're happy? [04:09] mdz: some dead guy [04:09] lamont: yea, it's all built now [04:09] all arches [04:09] sorry - fast times at ridgemont high reference [04:09] lamont: yeah, you know the one; Jesus gets nailed and killed on Friday, but is back for tea on Sunday [04:09] lamont: although the i386 debs haven't made it to archive yet, dunno what the holdup is [04:10] Keybuk: that'd be the 'canonical dead dude holiday' then? [04:10] schweeb: uh, yeah. I do [04:10] they'll make it as soon as the other machine builds it. - was too lazy to deal with that right now. [04:10] dunno, hollow chocolate eggs come into it somewhere as well [04:10] rothera is not a happy camper. [04:10] ahh [04:10] okay then :) [04:10] not really sure what they have to do with a dead dude; maybe he over-ate === lamont hates it when perl says 'Out of memory!' [04:10] lamont: laziness I can understand [04:11] actually, I hate it when perl says anything [04:11] Keybuk: seen fast times? [04:11] "fast times" ? nope [04:11] "so what you're telling me, Mr Spicoli, is that Napoleon was a short, fat, dead dude?" "yeah." [04:11] lamont: wasn't that Bill and Ted? [04:12] you see, all our holidays are about dead dudes. [04:12] Kamion: damn. I think you're right [04:12] Kamion is correct [04:12] spicoli is much cooler than ted, though [04:12] mdz: don't expect me around much tomorrow, certainly; not feeling very well and my hours have been way too long this week anyway [04:12] so, s/fast times at ridgemont high/bill&ted/g [04:12] Kamion: yep [04:12] I'm not going to pass up a holiday while it's there ;) === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === lamont will be around, but probably hacking on personal stuff more than not. Other than staring really hard at the buildd's to make sure they stay happy, and doing what they should [04:13] anyhow, archive-copier's in, base-config changes for hoary-updates made locally but I'll wait until I'm more awake to test them [04:13] lamont: http://www.fxstreet.com/nou/bank/bankholidays.asp [04:14] mdz: is the canonical(sic) list? [04:14] lamont: it's the one I use [04:14] works for me [04:15] what's all those 'u's doing in words like labor - obviously not an american site... === kop|gone is now known as metallikop [04:15] hrm.. good friday isn't listed for the US... must call bank in morning. :-) [04:17] it's UK holidays are wrong too [04:17] New Year's Day was 3/1 this year and Christmas will be 27/12 [04:18] Keybuk: you get _two_ new year's days in 2005 [04:18] (got) [04:18] heh, yeah, and that === lamont prefers http://www.bondmarkets.com/holiday/ [04:22] I liked the other list because it had many countries on it [04:22] oddly enough, that one has two new year's days too [04:24] here, at least, good friday is a bank holiday and not a public holiday [04:24] that said, nobody really works good friday. everyone just takes it as a holiday anyway [04:25] Christians, anyway [04:26] it's not that long ago that catholocism had a special place in our constitution. [04:26] still does in many respects [04:27] all pubs and off licences must close on good friday here. it's insane. [04:27] a nationwide day off, with a long weekend and you can't get a drink. in ireland. [04:27] incredible. [04:27] mdz: Out of memory! === lamont screams [04:28] dredg: haha [04:28] lamont: ECONTEXT [04:28] lamont: it's better having perl say that than the kernel ;) [04:28] vmstat [04:28] procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- [04:28] r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa [04:28] 0 0 0 2869692 567184 11316 0 0 127 61 261 183 3 1 93 3 [04:28] mdz: this mornings fun [04:28] oh, that [04:28] yeah. [04:29] elmo and I dug up a patch which ought to fix that [04:29] terranova joins rothera in its unhappiness [04:29] terranova is running 2.6.10 [04:29] err [04:29] yeah [04:29] that patch was incorporated in 2.6.9 [04:29] since when are we running 2.6.10 in production? [04:29] since today when elmo upgraded 2/3 machines to that === dredg beds [04:30] interestingly, the 2 i386 machines that are bitching now are the ones running 2.6.10 [04:30] night [04:30] Kamion: so you wanted archive-copier/i386 to make it into the archive, yes? === lamont wishes he were in the DC right now so he could put his fist into something... [04:32] lamont: ideally, yeah [04:33] lamont: before next daily CD build would be good I think [04:33] oh, sure. put a time limit on it. [04:33] but I suspect that may not be happening ;) [04:33] Kamion: don't worry - it's not alone... plenty of company [04:42] DOH === lamont grabs libc and looks for something to beat with it [04:43] mdz: can I pretty please change glibc? === schweeb chuckles [04:46] --- debian/local/usr_sbin/tzconfig 2005-03-24 20:43:59.541655099 -0700 [04:46] +if [ ! -t 0 ] ; then [04:46] + echo "Non-interactive: quitting." [04:46] + exit 1 [04:46] +fi [04:46] + [04:47] perl really doesn't like it when you tell it to read 1.1GB of looping tzconfig crap into memory [04:48] mdz: thoughts? [04:48] hrm... and no jbailey either [04:49] Kamion: your upload processed, btw [04:49] or rather, the binaries from your upl.oad [04:50] lamont: cool, ta === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp248-98.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont curses kde, hal, and dbus-1 [05:00] mdz: thoughts on stubbing out start-stop-daemon in the buildd chroots? === lamont notes that all the buildds are currently running, with correct cronjobs, and no abnormalities currently visible, goes to bed for a few hours. === sabmoc [~alex@d154-20-136-124.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] hello all [05:16] jbailey, ping re:wiki === syn-ack [~Matt@h-68-167-215-185.chcgilgm.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Saf [~tr@ppp52-109.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] 71G /home/scott [05:45] aww, not as bad as I thought [05:51] heh [05:51] lamont: what's dbus-1 done? [05:51] lamont: and my understanding was that policy-rc.d or whatever was just stubbed to return 101 in buildd chroots so services didn't get started on postinst [06:14]