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unkwndvd authoring, anyone?12:00
stephen_how do i make mplayer defualt player?12:00
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black_Nightmarealitoch...umm english please??? lol12:00
sippeter1apokryphos: I need black_Nightmare banned for life, he is being a bit too un-nazi for me.12:00
black_Nightmarewhat is a 'repositories' too????12:00
mt2acs, there is an updated version in hoary, upgrading can get you it, or simply downloading the binary from mozilla.org will work too12:00
mdkestephen_, tell me the full address of the directory12:00
mdkeapokryphos, sippeter1 is spamming websites into the channel and sending people offensive private messages12:00
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alitochacs> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox12:00
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alitocha repository, black_Nightmare, is the Ubuntu server where you can get packages by the apt-get command12:00
acsalitoch, the sudo apt-get will upgrade my version of ubuntu?12:01
alitochnow it's easier to understand ?12:01
black_Nightmarealitoch ~ oh..ic ok12:01
mdkestephen_, that is where you installed the downloaded version?12:01
acssudo apt-get upgrade*12:01
black_Nightmarealitoch...aren't hoary preview and stable hoary going to be the same repositories?12:01
mdkestephen_, ok12:01
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mdkestephen_, open a terminal and use "sudo rm -r /home/stephen/firefox" to remove it, but be careful not to delete anything else12:02
mt2Does anyone know if this card,  ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c), even supports DRI? I'm really hoping I'm not wasting my time here12:02
alitochblack_Nightmare> it is going to be the same repositories12:02
stephen_mdke how i make mplayer defualt player?12:02
black_Nightmaremt2..umm.. whats DRI? :">12:02
Rebroadanyone here understand what the ReactOS project is achieving that linux can't achieve?12:02
alitochbut upgrading from repository and installaing Hoary might not give you the same result12:02
black_NightmareI have ati rage pro's here too (only under 98se thou)12:02
black_Nightmarealitoch...hm ok ty12:02
stephen_mdke: how do i make mplayer defualt player?12:02
mt2Direct Rendering12:03
mdkestephen_, stop it!12:03
alitochwelcome :)12:03
stephen_i just asked u12:03
stephen_how do i12:03
mdkestephen_, if you repeat yourself one more time I will not answer any more of your questions12:03
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black_Nightmaremt2..oh...dunno about that...would have to ask someone for a dxdiag from windows to know what these cards actually supports12:03
mdkeand nor will anyone else12:03
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stephen_mdke: i am sorry12:03
stephen_HmmMM let's see12:04
stephen_no i am hopeless bah in linux12:04
mdkestephen_, i have some advice for you. have a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org and it will tell you how to do lots of things12:04
stephen_Setting MPlayer as default in Ubuntu i type that in google12:04
stephen_and i used ubuntuguide12:04
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alitochblack_Nightmare mt2..oh...dunno about that...would have to ask someone for a dxdiag from windows to know what these cards actually supports12:05
alitochor use winex :)12:05
mt2setting mplayer will depend on what desktop enviroment you're using, for gnome, just poke around with the "open with" menus12:05
mt2why would I use winex? It just doesn't make sense12:05
black_Nightmarealitoch...lol...well you know what I mean by dxdiag thou anyhow?  it usually shows a lot of hard 'supportable' details12:05
mt2using windows to find if there is a driver for linux?12:06
alitochI know, black_Nightmare, I used win for a time12:06
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alitochmt2> you should use winex to run dxdiag yourself if you do not want to ask people to do it for you12:06
mdkestephen_, you can try right clicking on media files and select "open with". maybe that will have a way for you to set mplayer as default12:06
alitochbut i never tried, i don't know if it can emulate directx12:06
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stephen_openede totem12:07
alitochbut it should do it, because it has to emulate dx to run games, which is winex goal !12:07
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Brunellusok, stupid n00b question:12:07
mdkestephen_, RIGHT click12:07
BrunellusI'm running grip on fluxbox12:07
BrunellusI've finished ripping a cd12:07
black_Nightmarealitoch ~ is opengl also a linux thing too?12:07
black_Nightmarejust wondering12:07
Brunellushow do I eject it?12:07
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mdkeBrunellus, it shouldn't be mounted should it?12:07
alitochno black_Nightmare12:07
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mt2I don't need to emulate directx, I need native DRI for linux. I want to test out the new, experimential, window manager for gnome12:08
confreyhi everybody12:08
black_Nightmareoh... is opengl just like directx = made for windows???12:08
alitochjust a free API12:08
black_Nightmareoh doh!12:08
alitochmt2> you just didn't understand what I meant, forget it12:08
kdpi tried ripping a cd using soundjuicer, but it was horribly slow...1.4x...is there any reason for this?12:08
black_Nightmareso opengl can be for linux then? <<my question rephased! :p12:08
alitochno black_Nightmare12:08
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alitochopengl, fortunately, works for every OS12:08
Brunellusmdke:  where do i see whether it's mounted?12:08
mdkeBrunellus, in a terminal, type "mount"12:08
alitochopengl team didn't lock it like microsoft team did for directx and windows12:08
black_Nightmarealitoch..yeah that was supposed to be my CORRECT question :)12:09
SeeleyUSMCWhy can't I play DVD's or MP3's in Ubuntu?12:09
confreyI have installed phpmyadmin, but I can't start it; waht's missing?12:09
mdkeSeeleyUSMC, have a read of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:09
BrunellusSeeleyUSMC:  go to "Restricted-formats" in the wiki12:09
alitochSeeleyUSMC> are you under Hoary ?12:09
black_Nightmarealitoch..so if a game was written for opengl there's a possibility it could be kinda redone to run under linux?12:09
alitochok black_Nightmare  :)12:09
salSeeleyUSMC, you need to install packages to read DvD's12:09
SeeleyUSMCyes, Hoary12:09
Brunellusmdke:  i'm not showing it mounted12:09
mt2OpenGL is a specification for producing graphics12:09
mdkeBrunellus, and its not ejecting when you press the button on the drive?12:10
alitochblack_Nightmare> yes, you could even run it on ANY OS12:10
mdkeBrunellus, totally weird12:10
Brunellusis there something on the commandline I can do?12:10
alitoch(since the language you use is cross-platform, like C, C++ or Python)12:10
mdkeBrunellus, you could try "eject /dev/your_cdrom_drive"12:10
mt2Brunellus, have you tried eject? sounds silly, but maybe12:10
black_Nightmaretoo bad my cpu isn't enough for one known-all-opengl game I got :|12:11
black_Nightmarewould need at least a 700mhz but only have a 300Amhz alas12:11
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alitochBrunellus> don't you have an "eject" button when you right-click on the CD icon ?12:11
black_Nightmaresome day if I get a larger system to run ubuntu on lol12:11
alitochUnder Gnome it does, under your DM, I dunno12:11
Brunellusalitoch:  I'm not running GNOME12:11
BrunellusI'm running fluxbox12:11
srihey wahts the package you need if you want to compile mesa?  It's looking for dri.h, and I know thats in the kernel area12:11
mdkeanyway its not mounted12:11
sriis linux-headers-2.6.10-?-686 enough?12:11
Brunellusyeah, it's not mounted.12:11
alitochI know Brunellus12:11
alitochbut maybe there is the same when you right-click on the icon12:12
wdhBrunellus, there is an 'eject' command also :)12:12
Brunellusalitoch:  there *is* no icon.12:12
kdpforce the eject12:12
mdkeBrunellus, did you try eject?12:12
Brunelluswdh:  eject didn't work, since it didn't even know /dev/cdrom0 was *there*12:12
Brunellusit's weird.12:12
mt2is there a way to manually open the drive?12:12
alitochoh, you don't have a Desktop on Fluxbox12:13
mdkeBrunellus, it may be that you'll have to reboot12:13
alitochseems weird12:13
kdpis neone seeing these messages?12:13
alitochone last thing Brunellus :12:13
mdkekdp, ping12:13
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Brunellusmdke:  it's the damnedest thing.  I can access it no problem12:13
alitochtry : umount -a or umount /dev/hdc (or hdd, depends of where is ya CD)12:13
alitochand then eject /dev/hdx12:13
Brunellusoh wait12:14
Brunellusdoes eject have to be run as root?12:14
alitochdid you try to umount it, Brunellus12:14
black_Nightmarealitoch just one question but is it difficult to use the isa pnp tool thinge?12:14
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alitochI don't think so, though12:14
Brunellusno, that didn't work12:14
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black_Nightmareespecially to get a creative soundblaster 16 card working :p12:14
s1xlo all12:14
mdkeBrunellus, can't hurt to try as root12:14
alitochblack_Nightmare> I heard about it but I dunno what's isa pnp tool lol12:14
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conffreyI have installed phpmyadmin, but I can't start it; what can I do?12:15
alitochyou have ALSA or OSS that makes your sound work very well black_Nightmare12:15
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alitocha SoundBlaster card should surely work, yeah12:15
black_Nightmarealitoch..hm ok ty12:15
unkwnconffrey:  you don't start phpmyadmin12:15
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unkwnit's just there12:15
mt2Seeing how this card is getting be absolutely no where, can someone reccomend a newer, well-supported, and cheaper graphics chip? I'm just looking to do basic 3D animations and shadows, not any gaming.12:15
Brunellusweird.  unable to find or open device12:15
Brunellusand yet I read from the disk when I point xmms to it....12:16
black_Nightmarebrb for supper ;)12:16
alitochmount it and then umount it, Brunellus12:16
alitochblack_Nightmare> bon appetit :)12:16
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conffreyunkwn, yes, when I try in the browser localhost/pypmyadmin I obtain : The requested URL /cgi-bin/php4/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server12:16
salmt2, i would suggust ANYTHING that is listed on the "supported" page (if you don't plan to do any gaming)12:17
mt2sal, technically, my card is supported (it's on the page) but I'll have another look and see what the prices of a few things are, thanks12:17
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Rebroadg'day zorba6412:18
unkwnconffrey:  sudo slocate -u12:18
salmt2, if it's supported, do a google search and see if someone else has had the same problem your having12:18
unkwnthen when that's finished slocate /phpmyadmin/12:18
kdpanyone got hdparm to enable dma on startup?12:19
mt2sal, that's part of the problem, I'm not really sure where the problem is. I'm not getting any errors that I know of, and everything installed just fine, it just doesn't work12:19
Grockhow can I add tell make-kpkg to also compile a free standing module?12:19
mdkekdp, yes12:19
salmt2, I had issues with my laptop video card driver, and all it took was alittle "alone time" with google and I got full 3d working12:19
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mdkekdp, you tried editing /etc/hdparm.conf?12:19
mdkewhat went wrong?12:19
BARBoyhey, i need help with my modem on warty12:19
kdpwell, not since the latest update?12:19
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kdphas it been fixed in the last 2 days or so?12:20
unkwnconffrey:  then you'll probably want to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/whateveryourconfigis and/or /etc/apache2/apache2.conf12:20
mdkekdp, has what been fixed? something has been yes12:20
kdpok, i shall try again12:20
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mt2sal, I tried accecpting the dcc, but it just refused to do anything12:21
stephen_how i install .py?12:21
salmt2, it's all right12:21
mt2python? it's bundled with ubuntu12:21
stephen_how do i start bit torrent?12:21
stephen_downloaded bit torrent 412:21
stephen_and i want to start12:21
sippeter1chmod +x *.py&&./btcurses12:21
salmt2, just not wanting to spam the main channel with. but w/e.12:21
jaspis it a file called setup.py ?12:21
membreyajesus, 2 days offline and 100mb of updates >:\12:21
stephen_and there's btdownloadgui.py12:22
membreyanew array come out or what?12:22
mt2sal, indeed, I don't like to do it myself, perhaps I can try12:22
mdkemembreya, don't think so12:22
salmt2, what exactly are you trying to do, that your not able to do?12:22
jasptype: python setup.py build12:22
mt2sal, I'm trying to get direct rendering enabled12:22
sippeter1chmod +x btdownloadgui.py&&./btdownloadgui.py12:22
stephen_it didn't work12:22
jaspthen: python setup.py install12:22
Rebroadhoary - no good for 56kbps connections...12:22
salmt2, with what card?12:22
stephen_hmm no12:22
mdkeRebroad, lol12:22
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membreyahehe that's the truth Rebroad, thankfully I'm on cable :)12:22
stephen_hey sipper chmod +x btdownloadgui.py&&./btdownloadgui.pything worked12:22
stephen_chmod +x btdownloadgui.py&&./btdownloadgui.py12:22
stephen_thank u12:23
sippeter1Yeah, duh.12:23
mt2sal, lspci reports "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)"12:23
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membreyastupid connection though, to archive.ubuntu.com I only get 200kB/s12:23
jaspah ok :-)12:23
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mdkemembreya, poor you lol12:23
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membreyamdke: to the aussie mirror I get 600 :)12:23
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HrdwrBoBmembreya: archive.u.c does a *lot* of traffic12:23
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zenroxmembreya,  i got 20k and it keap dieing12:23
membreyaHrdwrBoB: I can tell ;)12:23
stephen_what's cedegA?12:24
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mdkei wish i could get 200k12:24
zenroxme too12:24
Rebroadi've not configured apt to use cedega. am i missing much?12:24
willyhi, where do i get a list of repository servers fir 5.04 and synaptic from? thanks12:24
xvlunhi is there a way to upgrade not just the packages to hoary but the whole distribution, getting new packages and features as well?12:24
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Skidhi, running horay how can I make my screen res goto 1440x1050? its the native res for my laptop.. I've edited xorg.conf, restarted x, but it's not working and is not in the screen res prefernes@?12:24
HrdwrBoBxvlun: the packages are the whole distribution12:24
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mdkexvlun, you might check that you have ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop installed12:25
gene_When I start up my desktop, Gnome, I get two error boxes.  One says "Missing command to run." and the other says "You must run this program as the root user." Question: How do I track down what is causing this and fix it?12:25
Grockwilly: search on ubuntu?12:25
kdpmdz: editing /etc/hdparm.conf worked, but there was still an error message at boot "/dev/hdc: No such file or directory exists"12:25
black_Nightmarety alitoch I'm back :p12:25
stephen_what's cedegA?12:25
black_Nightmareurmp...where did alitoch go??? lol12:25
mdkekdp, me?12:25
kdpeven though dma is now on12:25
Skid1400 ? I thought it was 1440 ?12:25
kdper, yes12:25
willyGrock: where exactly im a newbie12:25
salCedega is the front end for Pont2Play12:25
Grockwilly: there's a nice page that describes it there12:25
mdkekdp, yeah they've worked around it i think12:26
Rebroadgene: it's trying to run programs you were running last time you logged in. it will go away after you next log out12:26
salerr Point2play12:26
stephen_So i need to dl point2play?12:26
xvlunHrdwrBoB, thats not necessarily true if warty has got paket a version b and hoary has paket a version c and additionally pakage d version a ;)12:26
stephen_want to play COUnter strike12:26
willyGrock: where12:26
saik0sal. I think you got them backwards...12:26
stephen_HE HE12:26
kdpdeceptive error messages (shakes fist angrily)12:26
mdkekdp, heh12:26
mdkeat least it works ;)12:26
mdkebut the bug isn't closed i think12:26
xvlunSkid, which kind of graphics card do you have?12:26
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mdzkdp: that's known; the error is harmless12:27
saik0When I run  cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status I get 'Status:          Disabled' can someone help me figure out why12:27
Rebroaddid you do a nvidia-glx enable?12:27
unkwngod this feels for primitive burning  a dvd from the command line12:27
Grockwilly: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=synaptic12:28
gene_Rebroad, I afraid that is not the case.  I have been having this problem for several weeks.  I have only today given up on being able to solve the problem mysel.  It started after a nightly update.  I am running Hoary.12:28
kdpi suppose i will have to learn to distinguish all the different usernames...hm12:28
saik0bash: nvidia-glx: command not found, though I have the modules installed12:28
airoxkdp: It isn't that hard ;)12:28
mdkekdp, heh12:28
Rebroadah. it's "nvidia-glx-config enable"12:29
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salerr, yeah I did get them backwards. Point2play is the Front end for Cedega :/12:29
saik0Rebroad, i did that, but I have since updated my kernel. Didnt think about doing it again12:29
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Rebroadsaik0: good luck. hope it works12:30
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saik0Rebroad, ran it, same thing. DO I need to restart X?12:30
geneo93  nvidia-glx-config enable12:30
mt2Is there anyway to detirmine if the card driver is actually being used and perhaps find out if the problem is just one of configuration?12:31
Rebroadsaik0: yes12:31
Rebroadsaik0: log off. and CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE12:31
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saik0Rebroad, yep brb12:31
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stephen_how i install .sh?12:32
mt2stephen_, you don't, you run them12:32
syn-ackstephen_: ./ this.sh12:32
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saik0Status:          Disabled =(12:32
stephen_i type in ./cedega.sh12:33
stephen_athat right?12:33
holotoneOk, so here I go, just got done backing up everything on my XP laptop, going to reformat and reinstall, and then do the big jump to a dual boot XP/Ubuntu12:33
mt2stephen_, that is correct12:33
unkwnyou can also do sh file.sh12:33
stephen_now what?12:33
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stephen_nothing? hmm12:33
stephen_no i am doign something wrong12:33
holotoneI'm going to use a partition manager to partition before I install XP OR Ubuntu, and I was curious as to what opinions people had as to how I should partition it.12:33
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stephen_can u get cedega for free?12:34
mt2holotone, you can use Ubuntu's installer to do it if you like12:34
BARBoyi need help with my modem in warty, can anyone help me??12:34
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holotoneI'd like all of my media, etc to be viewable by both OSs, so I'm pretty certain a majority of the HDD is going to be NTFS so both OSs can read it..12:34
kdpholotone: 2xRAM for swap, 100 MB for /boot12:34
holotoneis that correct?12:34
RebroadBARBoy: what modem is it?12:34
xvlunso apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade would be enough?12:34
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BARBoylucent win modem12:34
RebroadBARBoy: get another modem12:34
holotonewhat's /boot?12:34
stephen_how about .deb?12:34
RebroadBARBoy;l one with it's own cpu12:35
kdpholotone: you may want to put all ur media on a FAT32 partition12:35
kdplinux can read and write to that12:35
stephen_how i work with .deB?12:35
Tildekdp: 100M /boot it's big, 2xRAM depend size of your RAM12:35
BARBoyrebroad: i have linux drivers for it, no idea how to install them12:35
saik0kdp, do 'man dpkg'12:35
holotoneI've been told I need to make a NTFS partition, two ext3 partitions (one for / and one for /home) and one SWAP partition12:35
Rebroadhave you tried using the NDIS wrappers?12:35
stephen_What do i do with .deb?12:36
RebroadBARBoy, have you tried using the NDIS wrappers?12:36
BARBoyumm, i am new to linux12:36
saik0kdp, just kidding12:36
Rebroadholotone: why a seperate partition for /home?12:36
holotoneis that all correct? Why do I need two ext3 partitions for / and /home? can't they reside on the same partition? And what the hell ARE / and /home, anyhow?12:36
RebroadI use one partition for everything..12:36
holotoneRebroad that's what I said!12:36
randyanyone got flash player working in amd6412:36
saik0stephen_, i meant you do man dpkg12:36
Kamionyou don't need two separate partitions, just some people think separating data is convenient12:36
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holotoneok, well, I won't then.12:36
Rebroadone partition is more convenient and more efficient i think12:37
Tildeholotone: / and /home can be on the same partition12:37
holotoneSo one NTFS, one ext3 and one SWAP?12:37
kdpso if u ever crash and burn ur / partition, u still have /home12:37
Rebroadholotone: sounds good12:37
geneo93Rebroad:  i always use two12:37
holotonecan linux read/write NTFS?12:37
kdpnot write12:37
Rebroadkdp: how will you crash and burn an ext3 partition?12:37
saik0It's good to be /home12:37
kdpthats y u use FAT3212:37
Rebroadholotone: yes. via smb :)12:37
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stephen_what do i do with a .deb?12:37
holotonewhat's SMB?12:37
holotoneand isn't fat32 less stable?12:37
Tildekdp: if you have only one hdd you crash all partition12:38
holotoneCan XP install on fat32?12:38
membreyastephen_: use sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>12:38
Rebroadit's how you share NT drives over the network, holotone12:38
kdpholotone: yes12:38
membreyaholotone: yes12:38
holotoneis fat32 as stable as ntfs?12:38
RebroadXP can install on fat3212:38
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Rebroadno security, but writeable by linux then12:38
kdpholotone: well ok here is what i did...XP has NTFS, media is on FAT32 and has no OS associated with it12:38
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holotoneThat's one way!12:39
stephen_I installed point2play 1.312:39
saik0holotone , NTFS is more efficient, and FAT32 can only be 34 (I think) GB big12:39
unkwnuse rieserfs12:39
stephen_now what can i do with point2play?12:39
stephen_how do i open it?12:39
RebroadI run NT4 within vmware to share my NTFS partitions, and then smbmount them in linux....12:39
membreyasaik0: 32 AFAIK12:39
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holotoneSo a 60GB HDD... How would you break it up between an NTFS partition for XP, a FAT32 partition for media, and an ext3 partition for ubuntu?12:39
stephen_manuals are great!12:39
unkwnwhy keep windows?12:40
Rebroad2Gb for XP12:40
unkwnkick windows to the curb12:40
black_Nightmareyou actually can have fat32 as a single partition on a 200gb hd12:40
geneo93way to much to waste on windows12:40
Rebroad1Gb swap. 58Gb ext312:40
kdpunkwn: streaming support is much better in windows, in my opinion12:40
stephen_How do i mount my USB External HD12:40
stephen_i really need12:40
unkwnvlc works fine12:40
black_Nightmarejust STOP using ms's stupid fdisk .. there's a different version online that can doule it to 64gb .. but for the real fat32 partitioner...I'm not sure what the name was again12:40
kdpjust for the fact that everybody streams in either smil or wav12:40
Rebroadyou can always resize it later if you need to12:40
MatthewJohni saw the howto for windows codecs for totem, but its for totem-xine, how do you do it for gstreamer?12:41
randywhen you plug it in /dev/ will show sd* devices12:41
kdpor u can download knoppix and use QTParted12:41
mhzstephen_: usually, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB or something like that12:41
Rebroadcan use gparted on ubuntu12:41
membreyaRebroad: yes12:41
Rebroadwell. maybe not if it's buggy..12:41
randyyou mount it the same way as hda partitions12:41
stephen_it says mount: mountpoint /mnt/usb does not exist?12:41
stephen_what id o12:41
Rebroaduse ntfsresize works12:41
kdpwell, i'm assuming u dont already have ubuntu installed12:41
stephen_What Do I DO12:41
membreyastephen_: you need to make the mount point first12:41
kdpmkdir /mnt/usb12:42
holotonekdp you're talking to me?12:42
Rebroadusb drives are /dev/sdb1..2.. etc, no?12:42
geneo93install xp first12:42
stephen_in the /etc folder12:42
saik0MatthewJohn, If you enable Universe just install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg12:42
randycheck /dev/12:42
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membreyaRebroad: depends, if you have a SATA/SCSI drive then yes they're sdb ..if you don't have SATA/SCSI it's SDA12:42
mhzstephen_: hmmm, sorry. sdb no sda :D12:42
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Rebroadah. sorry, i meant sda12:43
randyif sda (or sdb or sdc etc...) devices are there thats usb12:43
saik0MatthewJohn, http://www.ubuntuguide.org might help as well12:43
mhzstephen_: as root, create a dir named USB or usb (the name you prefer).12:43
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stephen_i using USB hd12:43
stephen_it says12:43
stephen_already exist12:43
mhzstephen_: mkdir /mnt/usb12:43
holotonecan linux READ NTFS?12:43
stephen_already exist12:43
membreyaholotone: yes it can12:43
Rebroadholotone: yes12:43
Kamionyou know you could just say 'pmount /dev/sda1' rather than messing with all this12:43
membreyait CAN write to it as well ...but dont :)12:43
holotonemembreya why not?12:43
mhzstephen_: then, mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/USB12:43
Kamionor, hell, just insert the USB stick and it ought to be automounted12:44
membreyaholotone: buggy12:44
david_hi there. i have just installed ubuntu. can anybody tell me the benefits of installing gstreamer-plugins?12:44
stephen_mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/USB12:44
stephen_and i get12:44
stephen_mount: mount point /mnt/USB does not exist12:44
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Kamionstephen_: see what I just said12:44
Kamion'pmount /dev/sdb1'12:44
membreyastephen_: do a mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb rather than USB12:44
randymount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/(ntfs partition) /(directory)12:44
confrreywhy doesn't phpmyadmin start?12:44
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stephen_the partitioner sees it as a suski12:45
saik0Can somsone help me figure out why my AGP is disabled with my nvidia card?12:45
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stephen_ya scsi12:45
mhzstephen_: as I said, USB or usb or UsB are different names... you must specify the ONE you created12:45
stephen_i did12:45
linux_nutsaiko: have you installed the nvidia driver?12:45
david_what do gstreamer-plugins do?12:45
membreyamhz: years of MS, have left people case insensitive :P12:46
stephen_Ok now it saying12:46
membreyadavid_: codecs12:46
stephen_/dev/sdb1 does not exist12:46
kdpalright everyone, remember to watch "the office" tonight!12:46
randywhat about /dev/sda112:46
MatthewJohnthanks saik0!12:46
linux_nutkdp, have the tivo set12:46
saik0linux_nut, corect, and configged my xorf.config12:46
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david_membreya: do i need to install them?12:46
holotonehow much room does ubuntu need to install, and still have some headroom for whatever apps I may want to install.. Just bare minimum.. would 10GB do it, or is that overboard?12:46
membreyadavid_: that depends if you want to play multimedia files correctly or not12:47
randyapt-get install nvidia-glx12:47
membreyaholotone: 10gb is more than enough :)12:47
SeeleyUSMCwhich packages do I need for MP3's and DVD's again?12:47
Rebroad10GB is good12:47
stephen_any ideas? i getting12:47
holotonewould 5gb be too small?12:47
membreyathough next weekend I'm installing it on a 200gb SATA12:47
Rebroad5GB will suffice also12:47
randylibdvdcss for copy protection12:47
stephen_mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb12:47
stephen_mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist12:47
Rebroadbut a bit small for apps also12:47
stephen_so what can i try?12:47
membreyaholotone: I currently have it installed on 5gb and I still have 2.1gb free12:47
Kamionuse pmount12:47
randylibmikmod and lame for xmms12:47
KamionI suppose alternatively I could talk to the wall :)12:47
david_membreya: i sure do! so it would be benificial to install them right? how about if i use mozplugger as well? will that work with firefox?12:48
holotonewhat does the base install of ubuntu take up?12:48
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Kamionstephen_: it's probably /dev/sda1; type 'pmount /dev/sd' and then hit tab a couple of times to see what's there12:48
holotonespace wise12:48
Kamionholotone: 350MB12:48
holotonewow, sweet12:48
geneo936 gig root 1 gig swap and 52 gig home12:48
zenroxholotone, 1.7 gigs with x and gnome12:48
stephen_ pmount /dev/s12:48
stephen_Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory12:48
CarlK295 really12:48
stephen_i am linux noob12:48
CarlKbut the installer needs 50 to work with, so you need a 350 drive12:49
holotoneis there any way for me to share my thunderbird profile between my xp and ubuntu installs so that whichever I use to check it, the change will be reflected in both?12:49
Kamionstephen_: /dev/s doesn't exist12:49
stephen_it say that 212:49
Kamionstephen_: type /dev/sd, DON'T HIT ENTER, hit tab a couple of times12:49
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stephen_i just get sound goin EEK eek EEK12:49
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Kamionstephen_: 'pmount /dev/sd', then tab; as I said earlier, so I didn't think I needed to repeat it12:50
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jaspstephen type: /dev/sd, and then press TAB twice, to see if you have any scsi devices12:50
david_membreya: i sure do! so it would be benificial to install them right? how about if i use mozplugger as well? will that work with firefox?12:50
Rebroadit's funny how you can't browse microsoft.com with MSIE v212:50
Kamionjasp: you need an executable name before it, otherwise bash tries to complete over just executables, which is not helpful12:50
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stephen_it worked12:50
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lytefyrepache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 ..anything i miss ??12:50
stephen_now i got12:50
stephen_bunch of things12:50
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Kamionstephen_: that sounds like you have a SCSI or SATA hard disk12:51
holotoneis there any way for me to share my thunderbird profile between my xp and ubuntu installs so that whichever I use to check it, the change will be reflected in both?12:51
stephen_LOL hellz no man12:51
KamionUSB sticks do not normally have that many partitions12:51
stephen_but my USB External is recongized as scsi?12:51
Rebroadholotone: yes12:51
randysda2 is partition #212:51
Rebroadset up thunderbird on ubuntu12:51
stephen_? so that is my usb external?12:51
randysda5 is partition #512:51
stephen_i got 2 hd12:51
Rebroadand then delete the Mail dir and sym link it to the XP one12:51
stephen_40 and a 8012:51
Kamionoh, it's an external disk, not a stick? sure, that'll show up as SCSI12:51
randyon one drive12:52
stephen_so how i mount my lovely USB hd12:52
holotonebut the profile would have to reside on a fat32 partition, right?12:52
Rebroadof course12:52
saik0this cant be good- modprobe nvidia-glx returned FATAL: Module nvidia_glx not found. But somehow X is funning nvidia as the driver just fine12:52
stephen_USB partition is NTFS12:52
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Rebroadholotone: the Mail dir would be on FAT3212:52
Kamionstephen_: 'pmount /dev/sda2' or 'pmount /dev/sda5', depending on which partition you want12:52
randyrun nvidia-glx-config12:52
Rebroadholotone: the symlink to it which is within the profile would need to be on ext312:52
Kamionstephen_: but really, inserting it ought to make it automount and show up as an icon on your desktop12:52
Kamionstephen_: if it doesn't, that is a bug12:52
LeeColletonI'm trying to network two ubuntu machines over firewire with the eth1394 module.  I can't ping between them.  One is the other is
stephen_i had the same prob with mandrake12:53
stephen_umm ya my USB hd is working something out12:53
jaspstephen:repeat the line (arrow up) that gave the error /dev/sda1 not found, and fill in something else12:53
stephen_it's ORANGE simple is up12:53
Rebroadholotone: just move the mail dir over to ext3 and don't use thunderbird in XP anymore instead :)12:53
stephen_after the pmount what i do?12:53
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stephen_i type in pmount /dev/sda2 and my hard drive is making tons of noise..12:53
geneo93Kamion:  he may have usb shared irq like mine it dont work12:53
Kamionstephen_: assuming you're running standard Ubuntu, an icon should now have appeared on your desktop12:53
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holotoneRebroad unfortuneately, I'm not THAT read to jump in head first yet.12:53
stephen_This going to take a while12:54
Kamionstephen_: and assuming that pmount succeeded (if it didn't, it will say)12:54
stephen_wtf is going on? is Ubuntu doing something?12:54
saik0randy, it just says that my xorg.conf was manually edited, which it was. everything in there should be right though12:54
stephen_pmount /dev/sda212:54
Kamionstephen_: you sure sda2 isn't the extended partition?12:54
stephen_mount failed12:54
Kamionstephen_: ok, try 'pmount /dev/sda5' now12:54
Rebroadpmount is the command to format the drive..?12:54
KamionRebroad: NO12:54
stephen_mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,12:54
stephen_       or too many mounted file systems12:54
stephen_Error: mount failed12:54
Kamionstephen_: do you happen to know what filesystem is on that disk?12:55
geneo93stephen_:  do a df -h12:55
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Kamionmeh, ok12:55
stephen_what is that12:55
stephen_def -h?12:55
Kamionstephen_: try 'pmount -t ntfs /dev/sda5', then?12:55
randymount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /(the directory it mounts to)12:56
geneo93show free disk space12:56
andykanybody know about kernel recomplile in hoary ?12:56
randyie (as root) #mkdir /windows12:56
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randymount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /windows12:56
stephen_something bad happen i think12:56
lytefyrestephen_ : u mite need to get the ntfs module12:56
david_can somebody clarify for me whether i need to install gstreamer-plugins and mozplugger?12:56
stephen_just says12:56
stephen_Usage: pmount <device> [<label>] 12:57
stephen_Mount <device> to a directory below /media/ if policy requirements12:57
stephen_are met. If <label> is given, the mount point will be /media/<label>,12:57
stephen_otherwise it will be /media/<device>. If the mount point does not exist,12:57
stephen_it will be created.12:57
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stephen_- <device> is a block device in /dev/12:57
stephen_- <device> is not handled by /etc/fstab; if it is, '/bin/mount <device>'12:57
stephen_  is called to handle this case transparently12:57
stephen_- <device> is not already mounted according to /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts12:57
Kamiondamnit, I guess warty's pmount doesn't understand -t12:57
stephen_- if the mount point already exists, there is no device already mounted at it12:57
stephen_  and the directory is empty12:57
stephen_- <device> is removable (currently USB and FireWire)12:57
stephen_The device will be mounted with the following flags:12:57
geneo93david_:  if you want browser support yes12:57
stephen_holy crack that is long12:57
stephen_Kamion: what now?12:57
Kamionstephen_: lesson #1 in IRC; don't ever paste more than four lines at once12:57
CarlKfour?  my limit is 112:57
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stephen_aight sorry12:58
stephen_didn't know where to post12:58
lytefyrestephen_: do u know if kernel supports ntfs mount ?12:58
gratuitstephen_: you can use #flood12:58
andyki need sbp-s support for hoary if.  if i have a fresh 2.6.10 kernel do i have to reapply ubuntu patches ?12:58
david_geneo93: the gstreamer-plugins are important? they work with mozplugger, right? sorry for so many questions i just want to understand what is happening!12:58
stephen_i dont know12:59
andyk2.6.10 from a hoary install12:59
geneo93well you heed both12:59
stephen_i'm using UBUNTU the 1 from the CD i ordered 4 weeks ago12:59
holotonehow big can a FAT32 partition be again? And is it as stable as NTFS? I know it's not as efficient, but is it as stable?12:59
lytefyrego to /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION/kernel/fs12:59
Rebroadholotone: what do you mean stable?01:00
St0n3-C0lAnygood which provides free-email ?01:00
CarlKgeneo93 - I have a 40g fat01:00
holotonestable = won't crap out01:00
lytefyrestephen_: check if there is a dir called ntfs with a module named ntfs.ko01:00
Rebroadholotone: It's stable. it's just not journalled and has no security mechanism01:00
stephen_what that mean01:00
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holotonejournalled? Security mechanism?01:00
lytefyrestephen: check if u have this dir /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/kernel/fs/ntfs01:01
geneo93CarlK:  you didnt use M$ tools to create it either01:01
Rebroadholotone: you can't restrict access based on user accounts01:01
lytefyrestephen_ : directory i mean01:01
stephen_so cd01:01
stephen_and that01:01
Rebroadholotone: and you need to chkdsk it if you crash without shutting down properly01:01
CarlKgeneo93, I have an 80 g drive and when I mkfsed one 80g partition, df showed it as 75, so I made 2 40's01:01
stephen_root@Steve:~ # cd /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/kernel/fs/ntfs01:01
stephen_bash: cd: /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/kernel/fs/ntfs: No such file or directory01:01
holotoneSo why exactly doesn't Linux support NTFS? This is screwing my whole plan up!01:02
lytefyrewhat is your kernel version ?01:02
stephen_i dont know01:02
stephen_how i find out01:02
lytefyredo a 'uname -a'01:02
CarlKholotone - cuz Billy G is a butt head01:02
andykcat /proc/version01:02
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andykfor kernel01:02
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geneo93CarlK:  i'm not much of a windows person but i could only create a 32 max on a 75 gig drive01:03
holotonewould it be illegal for linux to fully support NTFS, then?01:03
Kamionstephen_: just ignore all that complicated stuff and try 'sudo modprobe ntfs'. If it's not there, it'll fail.01:03
St0n3-C0lholotone: Change your Filesystem from NTFS to FAT32 :P01:03
Rebroadholotone: because Microsoft like being a monopoly..01:03
black_Nightmaregeneo....thats because you are using M$'s fdisk01:03
CarlKgeneo93 - I did it in linux01:03
holotoneor is it a technical problem?01:03
auraxcan anyone give me information about the ability of ubuntu to work with intel's 915G chipsets ?01:03
stephen_ i type that in01:03
stephen_sudo modprobe ntfs01:03
Kamionholotone: the specs aren't public; it has to be reverse-engineered01:03
black_Nightmareuse a better one and you can even format a 200gb into one single FAT32 -- I'm not joking01:03
stephen_and it goes back to root@steve01:03
auraxlike PCI-X compability and such01:03
Kamionstephen_: ok, good01:03
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stephen_root@Steve:~ # sudo modprobe ntfs01:03
stephen_root@Steve:~ #01:03
stephen_now what01:04
geneo93CarlK:  i knew you didn't use M$ tools is what i said01:04
lytefyrestephen_: noe try the pmount commands01:04
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stephen_ENGLISH please :)01:04
Rebroadholotone: how much memory do you have?01:04
Kamionstephen_: 'pmount /dev/sda5'01:04
lytefyrestephen_ : yeah01:04
stephen_mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,01:04
stephen_       or too many mounted file systems01:04
stephen_Error: mount failed01:04
andykcan anybody help with recompiling a kernel in hoary ?01:05
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holotoneI"m afraid to use FAT32 because I don't want to lose my shit if I crash and forget to chkdsk.01:05
Kamionstephen_: ok, then try what randy said up above01:05
Kamion23:56 < randy> ie (as root) #mkdir /windows01:05
Kamion23:56 < randy> mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /windows01:05
holotonebut I want to be able to read and write my media from both OSs01:05
stephen_wut he say?01:05
Rebroadholotone: XP will automatically run a chkdsk for you01:05
farruinnholotone: complain to microsoft, not us01:06
CarlKholotone - you can get ext2 drivers for win (i think)01:06
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Rebroadext2 isn't journalled either01:06
stephen_HEY RANDY what u say01:06
Kamionstephen_: oi01:06
Rebroadand less stable on NT i think01:06
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Kamionstephen_: read it, I just pasted it for you01:06
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holotonefarruinn fer gawd sake man, just expressing frustration, not complaining..settle down now.01:06
CarlKbut I wouldn't trust that more than fat on linux01:06
auraxanyone uses PCI-X video card ?01:06
membreyadoes anyone know where in the module I can disable AGPGART?01:06
stephen_#mkdir /windows wut this do01:07
Kamion'man mkdir'01:07
stephen_i did it01:07
stephen_now what01:07
Rebroadholotone: you could try to get captive-ntfs working...01:07
Kamionstephen_: the '#' at the front is your prompt. don't type that bit.01:07
Rebroadholotone: but it's not easy01:07
stephen_i know01:07
stephen_i type in mkdir /windows01:07
geneo93and you need sudo01:07
stephen_root@Steve:~ # mkdir /windows01:08
stephen_root@Steve:~ #01:08
Kamionstephen_: now try reading the *second* line I pasted01:08
geneo93sudo mkdir /windows01:08
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Kamiongeneo93: he's at a root shell already01:08
holotoneso maybe: 17GB NTFS for XP; 32GB FAT32 for media, shared shit; 10GB EXT3 for Linux; 1GB Swap01:08
holotonehow's that sound?01:08
stephen_'pmount /dev/sda5?01:09
Rebroadholotone: perfect01:09
Kamionstephen_: mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /windows01:09
geneo93holotone:  sounds good01:09
zenroxholotone,  1gb swap01:09
Rebroador you could use ext2 instead of FAT3201:09
stephen_fukcing finally01:09
stephen_ok i see my hd01:09
Rebroadthat way you have security within linux for the media/data01:09
holotonebut XP can't read ext2, can it?01:09
stephen_k i see01:09
Rebroadbut you need to install ext2fsd on NT to access the ext201:09
stephen_thank u01:09
Rebroadext2fsd allows NT to read/write ext2 partitions01:10
saik0Rebroad, last I head it was read only, really?01:10
auraxdudes anyone uses here PCI-X video card?01:10
Rebroadit's read only by default01:10
auraxlike geforce or something01:10
holotonewould EXT2 be better that FAT32?01:10
Rebroadbut a registry tweak will enable write, i believe01:10
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geneo93holotone:  i've had the same fat32 share partition for 5 yrs and it works just fine01:10
Rebroadext2 would provide security01:10
lytefyremy apache2ctl complains of missing /usr/sbin/apache2...anything I miss ??01:11
robl^CP/M2.2 FS is better than FAT32. :)01:11
HrdwrBoBaurax: are you SURE PCI-X ?01:11
holotoneanything I need secured I'll put on NTFS, i suppose.01:11
HrdwrBoBaurax: or PCI-e01:11
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Rebroadand you'd have things such as symbolic links available on ext2 but not on FAT3201:11
auraxyes HrdwrBoB01:11
stephen_he he01:11
stephen_ok goody01:11
stephen_my hd files :D01:11
holotonesymbolic links?01:11
black_NightmareI think pci-x = pci-e x101:11
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black_Nightmaresame thing01:11
stephen_my HOMEWORK is in there01:11
black_NightmareI might be wrong thou01:11
stephen_that's why i needed01:11
HrdwrBoBblack_Nightmare: no01:11
saik0Well I'm pulkling my hair out, nvidia-glx is installed but when i modprobe nvidia-glx it returns FATAL: Module nvidia_glx not found.01:11
auraxit named pci-x too01:11
AbsenthEvening all.01:11
HrdwrBoBaurax: PCI-X is not PCI epress01:11
HrdwrBoBno it's not01:11
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stephen_my Music play better in linux01:12
Rebroadstephen_: man ln01:12
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HrdwrBoBPCI X is a double length 66Mhz 64 bit PCI slot01:12
stephen_can u do RPM in Ubuntu?01:12
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HrdwrBoBPCI-e is PCI express01:12
meistercan one help me with this:01:12
meisterconfigure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.01:12
Rebroadstephen: yes01:12
IAmTheWalrusHello..can anybody help me with BlueZ?01:12
stephen_how do i?01:12
Zotnixstephen_, not recommended but yeah.01:12
HrdwrBoBbut yes, a PCI-e card should work the same as an agp card01:12
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meisterstephen_, use alien -d ur.rpm01:12
Zotnixstephen_, man alien01:12
auraxreally, cool01:12
Rebroadstephen: install "alien"01:12
Absenthstephen_, yes, but I believe you have to convert it to a .deb with a program called alien01:12
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stephen_suda get-apt install alieN?01:12
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Absenthstephen_, you're a lot better off finding the .deb package, or using apt-get to find what you want though.01:12
stephen_well i can't find a working version of cedega.deb01:13
stephen_i'm bad01:13
Rebroadisn't cedega a repository?01:13
Absenthstephen_, I'm running 4.3, via point2play01:13
stephen_how do u?01:13
stephen_i have alien01:13
IAmTheWalrusI can't get my bluetooth mouse wokring01:13
IAmTheWalrusworking, even01:13
stephen_so now i have to do what?01:13
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stephen_my bluetooth went fucko on me01:14
IAmTheWalruswell, I got bluez-utils installed fine01:14
stephen_Google How to use RPM in debian?01:14
holotoneok, after I get all dual booted and set up and all that, will Symantec Ghost clone EVERYTHING, including the linux side?01:14
IAmTheWalrusbut I can't figure out how to get the mouse and the bluetooth thing talking to each other01:14
holotoneI've never used a ghost prog before, so I haven't the slightest clue.01:14
stephen_what i type?01:14
stephen_rpm file.rpm?01:14
Absenthstephen_, if you log into your transgaming account, there certianly is a cedega_4.2.1-1_i386.deb file01:14
AbsenthI'd bet there's a 4.3 now.01:14
stephen_I DID Not buy!01:15
Rebroadholotone: ghost can clone raw partitions, but also ext2 and ext301:15
stephen_i downloaded it01:15
Rebroadholotone: and reiserfs i think01:15
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IAmTheWalrusnobody knows anything?01:15
stephen_i dont want to pay01:15
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IAmTheWalrusI just need to know how to make a bluetooth mouse talk to the antenna01:15
andrilcan anyone point out some good media players in Synaptics?01:15
holotoneRebroad so that's a yes theN? ;)01:15
RebroadWalrus: not used bluetooth01:15
Rebroadholotone: yes01:15
meisternewbish in ubuntu + elitists in debian? what a *"*"*01:15
funkyall packages showed in dpkg -l with ubuntu sufix in his name are packages modified by ubuntu team ?01:16
Absenthmeister, what about newbish in ubuntu, and debian?01:16
Rebroadfunky: you can be 99% certain of that01:16
apokryphosandril: you looking for avi/mpg players or mp3 here?01:16
mindphasrIAmTheWalrus: look at hcitool, sdptool and rfcom01:16
stephen_LEarning linux harder tham my homework01:16
IAmTheWalrusok..just google those?01:16
funkyRebroad, ok01:17
meisterAbsenth, if i ask something in #debian they start doing elite.. and here i dont get an answer..01:17
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IAmTheWalrusor are they things in ubuntu already01:17
stephen_How do i use ALIEN to install Cedega.rpm?01:17
stephen_DO i type alien -g cedega.rpm?01:17
apokryphosstephen_: man alien01:17
randytransgaming has deb packages01:17
stephen_but do i pay for a account?01:17
Rebroadstephen: what is cedega?01:17
mindphasrIAmTheWalrus: for instance, 'hcitool scan' and 'sdptool browse' .. check those out01:18
Absenthmeister, admitting I know very little about the "debian" way, what was the question?  Assuming it's not resolved.01:18
stephen_u tell me lol01:18
machooi just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?01:18
stephen_people say u can play games with it01:18
randycedega allows you to play a plethora of windows games01:18
meisterAbsenth: configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.01:18
Rebroadrandy: it's like winex?01:18
stephen_i found a .deb01:18
randyit IS winex01:18
Absenthmeister, I'd love to help, but admit that's over my head.01:18
meisterAbsenth, ldconfig done , pkgconfig done -> no success01:18
randythey changed the name01:18
stephen_I AM 13 man no mister01:18
stephen_i'm Little Brat01:19
MatthewJohndoes anyone here a hp5800? (802.11g wireless printer)01:19
stephen_warez sites01:19
stephen_so i need01:19
stephen_and cedega?01:19
stephen_what u recommend? the DEBIAN or the TGZ?01:19
meisterAbsenth, thats exactly what i wanted to say about ubuntu and debian01:19
meisterstephen_, r u trolling=?01:20
stephen_? what is that01:20
stephen_7 mins EWW01:20
stephen_4 mins EWW01:20
Absenthmeister, I'd have the same problem if we were talking in #fedora :)01:20
randyyou need : cedega_4.3-1_1386.deb01:20
stephen_i am dling01:20
machooi just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?01:20
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randyand: point2play_1.3.3-1_i386.deb01:20
synichas anyone set software raid up on ubuntu?01:20
stephen_hafe that01:20
stephen_and installed01:20
synicI know it doesn't support booting from software raid01:21
Rebroadsynic: many many people01:21
Absenthsynic what raid level are you shooting for?01:21
synicdo I need to make the root partition and boot partition non-raid01:21
farruinnmeister: if no one knows the answer to your question here perhaps ask on the mailing list or forums01:21
synicor can I get away with just boot?01:21
synicAbsenth: 101:21
stephen_do u use Cedega?01:21
machooi just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?01:21
holotonefark, is there anyway to get a fat32 partition bigger than 32? even 40GB would be exactly what I would need01:21
IAmTheWalrusmindphasr: hcitool scan found the mouse..how do I make the things talk to each other?01:21
stephen_Want to know some funny bS?01:21
farruinnmeister: btw, I assume you do have libgtk2.0-dev installed, correct?01:21
meisterfarruinn, thats sad always asking in forums but anyway thx01:21
Absenthsynic, you "should" be able to configure a few partitions with fdisk, set the partition type to "fd" and then use raidhotadd01:21
apokryphosmeister: Just what is the problem with that? You either need the gtk stuff or it can't find them...01:21
stephen_i downloading stuff on 2 computers01:21
stephen_1 of them downloading at 1MB01:22
meisterfarruinn, yes all pkgs r installed01:22
stephen_mine is at 30 KBSA01:22
synicAbsenth: right, I've actually got it set up, but currently root is not raid.01:22
mindphasrIAmTheWalrus: you have to search for the service with sdptool..not sure what service it uses01:22
farruinnmeister: out of curiosity what are you trying to build?01:22
meisterapokryphos, as i said i installed all over apt-get01:22
machooi just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?01:22
Absenthsynic, Ahhh.....01:22
synicI want to re-set it up and set everything raid but the boot partition01:22
stephen_how do i update my ubuntu?01:22
synicis this possible?01:22
meisterfarruinn, a little glade test application (C without libglade)01:22
randyapt-get dist-upgrade01:22
synicor do I have to have root as non raid as well?01:22
apokryphosmeister: that error is from apt-get?01:22
Absenthsynic, actually that's a great question.  one that might actually warrant a format of one of these computers.01:22
stephen_i did sudo apt-get update01:22
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Rebroadstephen: next do "sudo apt-get upgrade"01:23
Absenthsynic, I'll tell you in a couple min.....  booting it to the cd now.01:23
synicsweet :)01:23
mindphasrIAmTheWalrus: and then bind the address of the mouse to a rfcomm device..like 'rfcomm bind 0 <address> <channel>' would bind the address and channel to /dev/rfcomm001:23
stephen_cedega done installing01:23
Rebroadstephen: where did you find cedega please?01:23
farruinnmeister: if you installed libgtk-2.0 then it should be in the "standard" location and you shouldn't get that error01:23
randyif you use warty, it will bring you up to date on warty01:23
synicit would be super awesome if the only partition that was non-redundant was the boot partition01:23
lytefyreapache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2  after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ??01:23
machooi just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?01:23
stephen_now what i do?01:23
synicwould make a rebuild a lot less lame01:23
farruinnmeister: you shouldn't have to mess with pkg-config paths01:23
Rebroadmachoo: why do you want openoffice 2.0?01:23
machooi just thought it was better than 1.101:24
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randywhat do you mean01:24
machoois it not?01:24
apokryphosmeister: not sure how gtk handles its stuff, but you might need the dev packages. Location for such variables doesn't generally vary much, but if it was altered you might need to reassign it.01:24
Rebroadmachoo: interesting assumption01:24
stephen_o fook01:24
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stephen_it says i need a account01:24
Absenthsynic, I'll try a basic install first, and then go back and try an expert install.01:24
Rebroadmachoo: i made the same assumption myself01:24
randy@ cedega?01:24
machoorebroad: is it a wrong assumption? the interface looks better?01:24
stephen_no point2play01:24
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stephen_how do i start cedega?01:24
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randyyou have the debs right01:25
wdhstephen_, you might wanna try "apt-get dist-upgrade" as an alternative for "apt-get upgrade" the next time.. its a much smarter way to upgrade your system01:25
randyclick help01:25
holotoneHow safe would a 40GB FAT32 partition be? M$.com says they only limit is XP Pro only making fat32 up to 32GB, but it can read and write larger ones.01:25
Rebroadmachoo: i tried OO 2.0 but then ended up uninstalling it again. can't remember quite why now01:25
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stephen_well i used the unoffical guide to update way when i did a clean install01:25
machoorebroad: ok but how do you uninstall stuff?01:25
randycheck Point2Play howto guide01:25
Rebroadmachoo: use synaptic01:25
black_Nightmareholo..well.. *theriocally* fat32 can be up to 2TB anyhow01:25
stephen_Point2Play & point 2 play turns on01:26
randyit explains in there how to configure global rc file for already install cedega01:26
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black_Nightmarebut that would be very huge kb blocks01:26
stephen_how do i use this?01:26
stephen_it keeps asking me for a gay account01:26
machooi tried that but then I didn't know which file to select to uninstall01:26
holotoneblack_Nightmare is it UNSAFE to make a FAT32 partition bigger than 32GB?01:26
Absenthsynic, when you get to the partition your disk option (the one that offers to use the entire disk, there's a manually configure option below it)01:26
Rebroadstephen: are you gay?01:26
Absenthsynic, on the standard install.01:26
randyclick help, read how to guide01:26
lytefyreapache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ??01:26
synicAbsenth: yeah, that's what I did this time01:26
Rebroadstephen: you can't have a gay account then01:26
Absenthsynic, ahh....  give me another couple min :)01:26
stephen_how about FOOkign account?01:27
stephen_the hell with this peice of shit01:27
stephen_i clicked americasarmy.exe to try01:27
randydon't need acount if you have cedega.deb&point2play.dev01:27
geneo93focking account01:27
stephen_and nothing01:27
stephen_so how do i use cedega?01:28
Rebroaddo i have to pay to use winex?01:28
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stephen_so i should go and dl WINEX?01:28
randydo you have it01:28
stephen_no i downlaoded cededga and point2play01:28
randylike i said cedega = winex01:28
Absenthsynic, I'm thinking that this utility is crap.01:28
synicAbsenth: how come?  I thought it was pretty cool01:29
Absenthsynic, but I could be wrong, lemme see if "expert" gives me fdisk.01:29
airoxIs there some program that can organize my mp3 collection ?01:29
stephen_it's free?01:29
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airoxSo it get's labels ?01:29
stephen_cedega is freE?01:29
airoxetc ..01:29
airoxstephen_: nope.01:29
stephen_i downloaded it01:29
stephen_and it all working01:29
stephen_how the fock do i use01:29
randydo you have cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb01:29
stephen_ya i installed it!01:29
randydo you have point2play*.deb installed01:30
stephen_how do i start cedga?01:30
stephen_ya i do01:30
stephen_i can turn it on01:30
stephen_it's on right now and i am trying to see wtf it cna do01:30
randynow click help and read howto guide01:30
stephen_? font to small01:30
randyfirst type Point2Play @ terminal01:30
Rebroadtransgaming.com is asking for payment details - i thought you said it was free01:30
randyit's not free01:31
stephen_well guess i'm focked01:31
randyyou said you already installed it01:31
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Rebroadstephen: where did you download it from?01:31
holotonethanks again for the help, ya'll01:31
stephen_so now what?01:32
stephen_i got em both01:32
Rebroadholotone: np01:32
membreyawhen you're compiling a new kernel, what's the command line to view the menu system ?01:32
holotoneI'll be back in a few hours to let you know how my first Linux install goes, I'm sure with plenty of more questions...01:32
stephen_now what?01:32
stephen_how do i install games with this thing01:32
randyare you in Point2Play?01:32
randyclick help and read howto guide01:33
randya section in there explains howto setup Global RC file01:33
randyfor already installed cedega01:33
randyafter you create/edit the file restart Point2Play01:34
stephen_wtf does that mean?01:34
stephen_how do i ?01:34
stephen_wtf this mean01:34
stephen_wha i do w01:34
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randydo this $pico /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/Point2PlayRC01:34
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stephen_wow? now what01:34
randyPoint2PlayRC is the name of the file you create01:34
stephen_lol ic01:35
Absenthstephen_, if you actually purchased the program for the super expensive price of $5, you'd get all the support documents in the world, and contribute to the betterment of gaming on linux, rather then leech.....  but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.01:35
randyi agree01:35
turfhi guys! how can i check if some package are installed in my ubuntu? is there a equivalent command for rpm -qa <packagename>?01:35
randyi pay01:35
stephen_I can't01:35
stephen_alright htis is BS01:35
stephen_Fucking peice of shit software01:35
lytefyreturf : dpkg-query -l01:35
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randyyou should quit using linux01:36
stephen_I can use wine01:36
Absenthsynic, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID101:36
stephen_i like linux01:36
maddlerwas someone able to setup a Nvidia graphic adapter?!01:36
Absenthstephen_, wow....  that FPOS software is running SWG on my second pc right now as I type this.01:36
stephen_i can use wine01:36
stephen_it work01:36
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Rebroadrandy: thanks for the cedega tips01:37
turflytefyre: got it thanks, one more question how about urpmi command is there a equivalent command?01:37
Rebroadrandy: I'm downloading the torrents now01:37
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stephen_it gonan be a pain in the ass01:37
airoxIsn't there a program that can tag mp3's with some database ?01:37
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lytefyreturf : what does that do ?01:37
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Rebroadstephen: how old are you01:37
lytefyreairox : use Juk01:38
stephen_Hey guys using WINE i can play games 2?01:38
airoxlytefyre: ok.01:38
Rebroadstephen: have you finished your homework tonight?01:38
airoxRebroad: hehe ;)01:38
stephen_yo u focker we dont got homework no school until tuesday01:38
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airox13 and trying out linux already ...01:38
stephen_I LIke computers01:38
airoxsounds like pathetic ;D01:38
stephen_what can i say?01:38
airoxwell enjoy your youth01:39
stephen_dad said i should try it01:39
membreyahmmmmm ... just compiled a kernel and there's NO way to remove AGPGART :\01:39
Rebroadstephen: ah. good time to try linux then!01:39
stephen_i bought FX520001:39
stephen_DUNNO wtf to do wtih it czu WINDOWS XP treat it like garbage01:39
stephen_so i move to LINUX01:39
stephen_NO virus and less shit01:39
stephen_i lik e01:39
stephen_but now i cant play my games01:39
stephen_WHAT BS01:39
stephen_should i try wine?01:40
Rebroadstephen: i'll see if i can get cedega working and if I do I'll let you know how. ok?01:40
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turflytefyre: urpmi command will automatically tell u which cd your package is located, so all u have to do is urpmi <packagename>, then it will tell u wich cd to insert then it will install the package01:40
black_NightmareI'll have to try a livecd on my system...see if it can pick up the tv/out well or not01:40
randydon't listen to me01:40
Absenthyou should find a spare $5, or possibly see if there's a cedega specific help forum.01:40
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airoxblack_Nightmare: Which video card ?01:40
geneo93stephen_:  you can it just takes time and understanding how things work01:40
randyi may have been using transgaming products for 2 years01:40
Absenthcall me crazy, but isn't this the "ubuntu" forum?01:40
stephen_geneo should i try using wine to play my games?01:40
randybut obviously my help is useless01:40
membreyablack_Nightmare: what type of video card do you use ?01:40
black_Nightmareairox.. aiw 7500.  it uses the rage theatre chipset if that helps :p01:40
stephen_or is wineX aka cedega really neccessary?01:40
lytefyreturf : no idea then, new to this whole debian thing myself , hehe01:40
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airoxblack_Nightmare: good luck then :)01:41
EricNeonthank smourf,I should edit ubuntu-zh today01:41
membreyahmmm I only know how to get tvout working on nvidia01:41
geneo93stephen_:  some will work and orheers may not01:41
black_NightmareI could try figure a mointor tomorrow but then still...can keep a livecd to show other people how it would work on their own laptops01:41
stephen_so is winex needed?01:41
Rebroadmembreya: is it hard?01:41
black_Nightmareyou know what I'm saying? :p ^01:41
membreyaRebroad: piece of piss01:41
robl^Absenth: actually this is underwater basket weaving.  Ubuntu moved next door.  *giggle*01:41
zenroxmembreya, check out #nvidia for that question01:41
geneo93stephen_:  goto wine hq01:41
airoxblack_Nightmare: I guess it won't be working out of the box. But some spare minutes would do the trick i hope ;)01:41
Absenthrobl^, rofl. that was great.01:41
stephen_and dl wine?01:41
black_Nightmare"you like this os?  hey tell you what I could probably show you a livecd right on YOUR laptop if you don't mind?  it wouldn't touch your hd"01:42
Firasquestion.. i didn't install grub when i installed ubuntu, can i boot in via a linux live cd (like the ubuntu live cd?).. or do i need to install grub somewhere or other.01:42
membreyazenrox: I just said I only know HOW to do tvout with nvidia..not I DON'T know01:42
Rebroadrandy: should i uninstall wine before using cedega?01:42
black_Nightmareairox...okie... see what I just said anyhow? ^ :p01:42
turflytefyre: ok, thanks i;; try dpkg-query -l01:42
zenroxmembreya,  ok hehehehe01:42
stephen_What i do at this WINE HQ?01:42
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randydon't have to01:42
lytefyreturf : thanks !01:42
geneo93stephen_:  wine is inubuntu repositories01:42
randythey don't interfere01:42
stephen_i know01:42
loaofwar3hi i have a question about configuring network01:42
stephen_i installed wine01:42
airoxloaofwar3: Hit us!01:43
stephen_so now what just tye wine americasarmy.exe?01:43
randycedega is great for games b/c it has code for copywrited games01:43
loaofwar3i need to open up ports and do port forwarding01:43
geneo93stephen_:  man wine01:43
Absenthstephen_, I recomend you JFGI, or maybe even RTFM01:43
airoxloaofwar3: You are using a firewall ?01:43
stephen_wtf is them both?01:43
lytefyreFiras : do u have any other OS's on ure comp ?01:43
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loaofwar3i have firestarter installed01:43
urro71hi @ll01:43
stephen_i type in JFGI01:43
airoxloaofwar3: Then use firestarter to do the trick.01:43
membreyaFiras: he said OS's, not viruses :P01:43
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stephen_JUST FUCKING GOOGLE it is what comes up01:43
Rebroadman! whine!01:44
airoxloaofwar3: Or use iptables directly.01:44
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airoxstephen_: calm down.01:44
black_Nightmareairox any comment on what I said about laptops? ;)01:44
loaofwar3how do i use firstarter tho01:44
Firasi don't want to overwrite the MBR because last time i did that i couldn't get into xp, so i installed without grub.. i want to install it to /dev/hda4 (the /boot partition i set up ) but my 'v' key is screwed :/ so i couldn't type that in during install01:44
turfloaofwar3: check out also smothwall01:44
loaofwar3i dont want a new firewall01:44
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airoxblack_Nightmare: ubuntu works great on my laptop ;)01:44
loaofwar3i just want to make it work01:44
randy13 yr old kid using that language...01:44
airoxblack_Nightmare: my tv-out is working on my laptop (which wouldn't with windows 2003)01:45
stephen_SO pay 5 bux for cedega?01:45
black_Nightmareairox... yeah... would be interesting to show them that their wifi access also works as well hehe :p01:45
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loaofwar3how would i open up port 6881 and forward that port?01:45
black_Nightmareperhaps get someone curious about ubuntu that way01:45
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airoxblack_Nightmare: every single hardware is working on my laptop.01:45
randyyou can but don't have to01:45
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geneo93randy:  i bet you did to just not in public01:45
Absenthstephen_, and you get access to all the documents, as well as the support forums that are cedega specific?01:45
lytefyreFiras : u cant ry installing grub onto a floppy and then use the floppy whenever u need to use ubuntu01:45
turfhow can i use my aiport in ubuntu? i can seem to  find the icon?01:45
apokryphosloaofwar3: it depends on your router settings.01:45
stephen_i dont make money01:45
stephen_what happen if u dont pay01:45
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loaofwar3ok my router gateway is
Rebroadstephen_: they send the FBI to arrest you01:45
randyyou don't get prepackaged cedega01:45
Firaslytefyre: i don't have a floppy drive. how about a cd, would that do?01:45
apokryphosloaofwar3: you wanna look for a category called "Virtual Servers"01:46
airoxblack_Nightmare: Just make a list of all the hardware and after installing ubuntu grab the list and work it down step by step.01:46
airoxWithout giving up ;)01:46
black_Nightmareairox lol :p01:46
Absenthyou don't get a login for the forums, you get to search for the documentation, and I'm not likely to help you with cedega much while in the ubuntu channel.01:46
loaofwar3where is that?01:46
randyyou can get the cvs of cedega/point2play for free from the cvs tree01:46
lytefyreFiras : i guess u can try , i shud work actually01:46
Firasso what should i do?01:46
airoxWhy in hell do I see flying toasters and bread as a screensaver ? :S01:46
black_Nightmarehmm..damn... 31 100MB zips for $3cdn each...I need to go to this store and buy several01:46
stephen_i see it01:46
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oneifreakstephen_: cvs lacks features though01:46
apokryphosloaofwar3: I have no idea; never worked with the router. You'll have to go into your router settings. Likely something like
membreyaanyone here know how to remove the MesaGL libraries? (they're currently being used as my OpenGL vendor and I want it to use nvidia)01:46
black_Nightmareairox... ROFLLLLLLLL thats 'after dark' .. was very common01:46
lytefyreFiras : grub-install cdrom-device01:47
loaofwar3i know how to do router settings01:47
loaofwar3but i dont kno how to open ports01:47
airoxblack_Nightmare: Seems like a waste of resources ;)01:47
loaofwar3how do u use firestarter?01:47
loaofwar3i need to open up port 688101:47
lytefyreFiras : whats ure cdrom device ../dev/hda ??01:47
black_Nightmareairox..what you mean?  do you expect mointor burn-ins????01:47
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airoxIs there somet seti package for ubuntu ?01:47
apokryphosloaofwar3: Don't worry about firestarter... go into your router settings, and look for "Virtual Server"01:47
membreyaairox: yes01:47
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black_Nightmareairox..does seti have a linux version? if so then I guess YES :p01:47
randyshould be /dev/hdc01:48
loaofwar3what is "virtual server" for?01:48
Firaslytefyre: well, if i boot into knoppix.. it's probably /dev/cdrom.. or something.. but i can type anything once i'm in a system (copy/paste characters etc.)01:48
airoxmembreya: Do you perhaps know the name of it ? apt-cache search seti doesn't show one.01:48
loaofwar3all i want is to make my ip address static in linux01:48
apokryphosloaofwar3: Port forwarding. :)01:48
black_Nightmareairox..I think its ratherly a manual download from the seti site itself01:48
membreyaairox: setiathome.berkeley.edu it's called Boink :)01:48
apokryphosloaofwar3: I thought you wanted to forward your port?01:48
stephen_GO through all this to play bunch of games01:48
loaofwar3i do01:48
apokryphosloaofwar3: They are related, but are not the same.01:48
Absenthstephen_, if it's so hard, load up windows xp again.01:48
loaofwar3but i never heard of doing virtual servers01:49
airoxBut it can be used as a screensaver can it ?01:49
stephen_i downlaoded cedega CVS01:49
Firasi tried doing grub-install /dev/hda4 in knoppix but it said it's a read-only file-system :(. i guess i should check out with teh knoppix folks01:49
loaofwar3i am expert in windows xp and can do it easily in win xp01:49
loaofwar3im new to ubuntu thats y i need help01:49
apokryphosloaofwar3: Well, I'm telling you that's the option to look for...01:49
stephen_I AM READING (R) the(t) Fucking(f) manual(m)01:49
airoxFiras: grub-install /dev/hda ?01:49
membreyaloaofwar3: expert in windows xp ? hehe ....I believe the term is oxymoron :)01:49
airoxstephen_: We don't really care i guess.01:49
apokryphosloaofwar3: Forwarding ports has nothing to do with Ubuntu (you won't do it from there); it's to do with your router. Static IP is to do with Ubuntu, yes.01:50
Absenthstephen_, fastest way to learn anything in linux.01:50
lytefyreFiras : oops i dont think u can use grub-install to write to a cdrom   !!01:50
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loaofwar3ok forget port forwarding then01:50
loaofwar3i need to make my ip address static01:50
Rebroadstephen_: actually the F stands for "frogging"01:50
Firasairox: i don't want to overwrite the MBR :( coz when i did that the win system didn't work anymore01:50
Absenthstephen_, chances are people aren't going to do anything for you if you don't do some research first.01:50
loaofwar3how would i check my ip address and how do i make it static?01:50
loaofwar3i want it to be
Firasi guess i can make a windwos rescue disk and overwrite the mbr01:50
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airoxFiras: You can use a boot floppy and boot from that floppy (win98 startup or something) and do a fdisk /mbr01:50
lytefyreFiras : did u have an entry for windows ?01:51
black_Nightmareloaof...leave it on the same router port....done01:51
airoxFiras: You should however make an entry in grub config file.01:51
turfloaofwar3: then edit /etc/network/interface01:51
Firaslytefyre: yup.01:51
membreyaloaofwar3: to check your IP in a terminal type ifconfig -a01:51
membreyathen edit /etc/network/interfaces01:51
Firasthe windows entry was there, but windows refused to start01:51
lytefyreFieas : waht was grun complaing about then ?01:51
Firashmm i forgot the exact error and whether it was a windows or grub issue.01:51
Firasi guess i can try again :/01:52
lytefyreFiras : screen was just blank ?01:52
turfloaofwar3: man interface to know what entry to put01:52
IAmTheWalrusI still can't establish a connection between computer and ouse01:52
lytefyreFIras : did u atleast manage to get back to the menu once if failed to boot windows ?01:52
black_Nightmareairox one tough question for you ----01:52
Firaslytefyre: oh yeah.. just restarted01:52
lytefyreFiras : meaning it went back to the menu ?01:52
Firasoh no01:52
airoxblack_Nightmare: hit me01:53
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lytefyreFiras : it rebooted all over again ?01:53
black_Nightmareespon stylus photo printer (usb plugged, it even has its own pcmcia slot for various memory cards) ... recoken any chance of just the basic printer part itself working with ubuntu? :p01:53
Firasit just stuck.01:53
black_NightmareI can get the exact model if you want01:53
Firasso i had to manually reboot01:53
airoxblack_Nightmare: I don't really know. I only have used samba shared printers.01:53
geneo93sounds to me like you dont have xp anymore01:53
airoxno cups or something01:53
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black_Nightmareoh hm blah....ty anyhow01:54
black_Nightmarewould be nice to know since thats the printer that is hooked up to one laptop I'll like to try slap the livecd onto01:54
Firaslytefyre: i'm going to make a windows rescue cd and do the mbr overwrite again. and then do fdisk /mbr if things screw up again. :)01:54
EfaistOswhy apache can't run php files ??01:54
lytefyreFiras : did u edit the grub file at all ??01:54
airoxEfaistOs: Cause you have to config it.01:54
Firaslytefyre: no, i'm a total newbie01:54
airoxEfaistOs: join #apache and ask say "php ?"01:55
lytefyreFiras: what i mean is when u installed ubuntu did it detect windows ?01:55
airoxEfaistOs: You will then get some nice info about it.01:55
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Firaslytefyre: yes.01:55
turfguys is apache and mysql, postgress included in ubuntu cd?01:55
EfaistOsairox, i did ... I modified thehttpd.conf to let him take the php pages ...01:55
jaspstephen_: enemy territority runs on linux, great game, free also.01:55
airoxEfaistOs: What did you added ?01:55
airoxturf: You can install them.01:55
Firasubuntu detected windows, grub gave me an option to get into windows, it's just windows that refused to load. weird hm.01:55
zenroxjasp, and all the mods too etf, tc:e01:56
airoxturf: Not included afaik.01:56
turfairox: from the cd?01:56
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lytefyreFiras : yeah thats weird..01:56
mgcrosshello all...01:56
airoxturf: no.01:56
lytefyreFiras : do u remember the options ?01:56
airoxhi mgcross01:56
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black_Nightmareairox ~ at least...what do you think of this for the hoary preview livecd?  8x dvdrom (has to be 8x at its age I think), 128MB ram, 400-450mhz [unsure exactly he said] 01:56
turfairox: ic, so i need a large bandwidth for that01:56
black_Nightmareits a laptop yeah01:56
Firasit was just the default ubuntu installer, asked me whether all my OSes are listed (said yes), and should it write to the mbr (said yes)01:57
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airoxblack_Nightmare: Sound doable!01:57
black_Nightmaretoshbi satelle (don't see any model on it)01:57
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Firasok right now, i'm using a third party booloader (from partition magic)01:57
airoxturf: Well, I don't know the exact sizes of the packages but you will indeed need to download them01:57
Firasif i do manage to install grub to /boot01:57
mgcrosscan anyone tell me proggy I can use to covert xvid/divx to mpeg for making vcd's?01:57
black_Nightmareairox...hmm ok..guess I'll have let this livecd finish downloading then we'll see about a cdr :p01:57
Firasshould i just boot into the /boot partition?01:57
airoxblack_Nightmare: It's worth to try imho ;)01:57
zenroxmgcross,  google it :001:58
black_Nightmareairox..and hopefully picking up the pcmcia ethernet card too.... internet access :)01:58
mgcrossI know I'm not exactly in the right place but I trust you guys and gals01:58
lytefyreFiras : yes01:58
membreyablack_Nightmare: you are STILL getting that livecd? :\01:58
Firasand um01:58
PacoBCNdammit, right now that I wanted to restart X Azureus is downloading at 110kb/s01:58
lytefyreFiras : best of luck ! ;)01:58
mgcrosszenrox...have done...it's a windows freaking world....<sigh>01:58
randywhat's the news on a linux version of Macromedia flash mx 2004?01:58
Firasit doesn't matter what linux distro i run "grub-install" from?01:58
zenroxmgcross,  also look on www.sf.net01:58
membreyalol PacoBCN :P01:58
Firaslike knoppix would do?01:58
airoxPacoBCN: Some people only download with 20KB/s ;)01:58
lytefyreFiras: no it doesnt01:58
black_Nightmaremembreya ~ LOL well I'm in canada so I guess I had to use a canada server :p01:59
lytefyreFiras : atleast i dont think it shud !01:59
mgcrosszenrox, thanks for the tip!01:59
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black_Nightmare515MB at somewhere average of 385KB/Sec01:59
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black_Nightmare89% done downloading now01:59
WeirdAlI came here ... and then I forgot why.01:59
Firask thanks01:59
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black_Nightmarelol weirdal ~ sometimes I am a tad bit like that with stuffs too01:59
membreyablack_Nightmare: shouldn't take you more than 5 - 10 mins >:(01:59
black_Nightmarenot easy I guess01:59
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black_Nightmaremembreya... I just started a while ago :))02:00
black_Nightmarewhats with you anyhow? :p02:00
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membreya:P black_Nightmare bored and sleep deprived02:00
black_Nightmarebrb for a while..another cdr to make soon02:00
black_Nightmaremembreya.. LOL :p02:00
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mgcrosszenrox, <slaps forehead> OHHHH you mean source forge lol02:01
zenroxmgcross, yep02:01
lytefyreare there other programs beside apache that i can use to set up a web server ??02:01
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zenroxsf.net is just easer to rember02:01
airoxlytefyre: apt-cache search webserver02:01
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airoxhi Mestapheles02:02
lytefyreairox : i only see apace2-utils !02:03
WeirdAlah well02:03
WeirdAlI'll remember why I came here...02:03
Mestaphelesshould one restrict to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after upgrading to hoary?  Or can one continue to apt-get dist-upgrade from hoary safely?02:03
WeirdAlAnd I'll be back :-)02:03
airoxlytefyre: Did you altered /etc/apt/sources.list already ?02:03
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lytefyreairox : nope02:03
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zenroxMestapheles,  its save to continue to do that02:03
Mestaphelesapt-get dist-upgrade still reveils there is omre to upgrade to  Shouldn't apt-get upgrade to fullly upgrade, it seems to hold stuff back02:04
airoxlytefyre: Check this out: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories02:04
Rebroaddist-upgrade never seemed to do anything more than an "upgrade" did for me02:04
lytefyreairox : thanks, will do02:05
zenroxbut dist-upgrade gets kernel updates etc...02:05
turfairox: how about how to use aiport any ide?, coz im using a ibook laptop and it has a airpot how do i used this?02:05
Rebroadzenrox: ah.. i see02:05
Rebroadit would be nice to have an update-notifier for KDE...02:05
randywatch out w/dist-upgrade and hoary02:05
airoxturf: An airport was just an access point ?02:05
Mestaphelessorry ..  Shouldn't apt-get update work to fully stay up to date now that I'm at hoary ?,it seems to hold stuff back02:05
zenroxMestapheles, use dist-upgrade02:06
zenroxor use snyaptic02:06
Rebroadapt-get update only gets the latest list of updates. it doesn't do any upgrading02:06
apokryphosRebroad: There was some talk of that not so long ago. Team has quite a bit at the mo to do, but I think it might be worth suggesting after Hoary final is out.02:06
randythe new stuff in the hoary repos aren't necessary stable02:06
Mestaphelesaptget upgrade hold stuff back02:07
zenroxrandy,  but about 10 days it will be02:07
randyi know02:07
Mestapheles'cause apt-get dist-upgrade show there is more to upgrade to02:07
randyi'm waiting til then to upgrade02:07
randyb/c they are still doing work on it02:07
turfairox:im not sure, i think this use to connect to wifi not sure, let me check again02:07
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kkathmanevening all :)02:08
airoxturf: Yeah it's used for wifi and afaik it uses the same standards then other wifi standards.02:08
airoxevening kkathman02:08
smoucheevening kkathman02:08
randysleep well02:08
Rebroadwmhdplop is a good util :)02:08
CarlKany devs in here want to do forensics on a daily Hoary server install that just died02:08
turfairox: how can i edit this so i could use to connect to wifi?02:08
kkathmanI got the following error:   checking for XML::Parser ...configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool02:08
airoxturf: Edit what ?02:09
kkathmanwhere do I do to fix this?02:09
Rebroadright: I'm off to bed. 1:09am here02:09
airoxkkathman: apt-get install libxml-parser-perl02:09
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kkathmansorry...WHAT do I do to fix this02:09
turfkkathman: i think u have to insall xml-perl02:09
kkathmanthank you guyz...I just didnt know the package name :)02:09
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airoxkkathman: apt-cache search eh! ;)02:10
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kkathmanairox : what does that do?02:11
IAmTheWalrusI got the mouse and computer connected, but the mouse isn't doing anythin02:11
turfairox: how can use aiport to connect to my wifi?02:11
maddlertoc... toc... any nvidia user? :) pleeeeeease... :)02:11
airoxkkathman: It searches in the repositories.02:11
randyi use nvidia02:11
airoxturf: an airport is the access point ?02:11
kkathmanthanx...it just installed fine I think02:11
airoxturf: You know things about wifi network infrastructures ?02:12
IAmTheWalrusanybody know how to make a bluetooth mouse actually WORK?02:12
IAmTheWalrusand not just pretend like it's working02:12
airoxIAmTheWalrus: You have bluez-utils installed ?02:12
turfairox: just a bit, so what ur trying to say is all i need is an sccess point then it will automatically connect?02:13
IAmTheWalrusalso,, keep in mind I'm pretty noobish02:13
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black_Nightmareok hoary preview livecd created and done :)02:13
airoxturf: You have an airport ?02:13
turfairox: access point i mean to connect?02:13
airox(apple hardware ...)02:13
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turfairox: yap?02:13
airoxyap ??02:13
turfyes its a apple hardware02:14
airoxDoes the client computer has a wifi connection ?02:14
turfairox, yes02:15
airoxAnd you want that computer to connect to the airport ?02:15
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airoxAnd the computer is running ubuntu ?02:15
airoxWell ..02:15
IAmTheWalrusuh. airox, can you pm me steps on what to do (if you have any info for me)? I need to go cook catfish02:15
airoxDoes ubuntu see the wireless ethernet card ?02:15
airoxturf: (You can check in a terminal with `iwconfig`)02:16
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turfairox: ok let me try02:16
turfiwconfig is like pppconfig ryt?02:16
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randyif the module for the wireless card intalled the driver correctly... it should show up in ifconfig and iwconfig02:17
airoxIt will show you alle network devices and say if they are wireless capable.02:17
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turfairox:now im enlighten, thanks!02:18
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waseemhey do any of you know where i can get a nice easy to use/install mp3 ripper?02:20
jdboltwhich distro of ubuntu do you have?02:21
airoxwaseem: apt-cache search mp3 ripper02:21
waseemok thanks02:21
airoxwaseem: apt-cache show jack02:21
airoxfor example.02:21
jayeolalame is great for ripping cds02:21
jayeolaand so is grip02:21
jdboltsound juicer comes with ubuntu hoary02:22
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waseemthanks jayeola02:22
funkysynaptic is deprecated in hoary ?02:22
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waseemi already searched on synaptic02:22
waseemi didnt ifnd anything good02:22
jdboltuse sound juicer02:23
jdboltits about as simple as you are gonna get02:23
jdboltand it works02:23
jdboltapt-get install sound-juicer02:23
syn-ackI like Sound Juicer. Great for those of us who are lazy02:24
jdboltand it just works02:24
jdboltwhich is always good :)02:24
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jdbolti just downloaded vlc for my hoary amd6402:25
jdboltworks a treat02:25
jdboltit plays just about anything02:25
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jdboltnone of that totem 'aint got the codecs' crap02:25
waseemok for sound-juicer, its only ripping at 1.3x02:26
hou5tonanyone know what it takes to get the sounds working on xchat in hoary?02:26
waseemhow do i get it to rip at the maximum speed?02:26
hou5toni have the sounds chosen and all that ... just not working02:26
hou5tonbut they work in Gaim02:26
jdbolthmmm, you checked all the preferences in xchat02:27
geneo93hou5ton:  try the mixer settings02:27
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waseemany ideas how i can get sound-juicer to rip at the maximum speed?02:27
jdbolti dont know how to change the speed in juicer02:27
waseemoh ok02:28
jdboltmaybe its too simple for you :)02:28
waseemheh oh well02:28
waseemim a little upset it doesnt rip mp302:28
waseembut its ok02:28
waseemthanks for the help jdbolt02:28
jdboltno worries02:29
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infidelhow do i apt-get software?02:30
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Fackamatoinfidel: apt-get install package02:32
apokryphosinfidel: I recommend using Synaptic if you're new.02:32
funkywhy synaptic is going to be removed when i try to upgrade from warty to hoary ?02:33
geneo93because it get upgraded as well02:33
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infidelit doesn't show the package i want in synaptics02:34
funkygeneo93, then it will must be showed in to-upgrade list02:34
funkynot in remove list02:34
geneo93infidel:  then you dont have all the repositories enabled02:34
smouchefunky, I believe your current synaptic will be replaced by new and improved one02:34
funkysmouche, ok02:35
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hou5tongeneo93:  hmmm ... what mixer?02:35
geneo93just type it in terminal02:35
hou5tonya ... i typed it in wrong ... twice in a row ... sorry02:36
smoucheyou'll also get a nifty automatic update notifier, funky.  (in gnome, anyway.  Not in kubuntu yet)02:36
loaofwar3hi i need help installing sudo apt-get install mozplugger02:36
loaofwar3i get an error message02:37
loaofwar3Reading Package Lists... Done02:37
loaofwar3Building Dependency Tree... Done02:37
loaofwar3mozplugger is already the newest version.02:37
loaofwar30 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.02:37
loaofwar3W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)02:37
apokryphosinfidel: what package are you looking for?02:37
loaofwar3W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)02:37
loaofwar3W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems02:37
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funkysmouche, yeah, i have read about it02:37
apokryphosloaofwar3: please don't flood the channel. :)02:37
loaofwar3o sorry02:37
geneo93loaofwar3:  did you update02:38
loaofwar3it gives error too during update02:38
hou5tongeneo93:  that appears to be set properly ... although I didn't see how to change it if it wasn't02:38
mhzUbuntu + Moin02:38
geneo93then you dont have all the repositories enabled02:38
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mhzdoes anyone know why Ubuntu.org prefered other wiki and not MoinMoin?02:38
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loaofwar3i have all the repositories enabled02:39
geneo93hou5ton:  uparrow increase volume  down decrease m mute02:39
loaofwar3it just cant connect02:39
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loaofwar3does this happen to anyone else?02:40
loaofwar3does apt-get update work for everyone else?02:40
Firas"/dev/hda4 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." <-- what might this mean in response to "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda7 /dev/hda4"?02:40
loaofwar3do you hav amd64 installed?02:40
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geneo93depends where you are02:40
loaofwar3i am in usa02:40
apokryphosloaofwar3: you need to update your sources.list02:40
airoxFiras: What are you doing!?!02:40
loaofwar3how can i do that02:41
infidelapokryphos, i'm looking for rcs02:41
apokryphosAs of 02/08/2005, Ubuntu backports has officially moved to the UbuntuForums site. You will be redirected momentarily. Update your bookmarks & sources.list!02:41
Firasairox: i installed ubuntu without grub so.. installing grub to /boot partition from knoppix02:41
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loaofwar3where did you get that message?02:41
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loaofwar3that would explain why i get all the 404 errors02:42
loaofwar3whats the correct sources.list?02:42
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apokryphosloaofwar3: By checking the location of the repos that failed. :)02:42
maddlerheya apokryphos! :)02:42
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usualkubuntu rocks02:42
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apokryphosmaddler: hi :)02:42
apokryphosusual: it sure does. :P02:42
apokryphosinfidel: one sec02:43
usualkde 3.4 is sweet02:43
mwyldeI'm having some trouble booting Ubuntu02:43
usualSOOO much faster02:43
loaofwar3is it better than gnome 210?02:43
hou5tongeneo93:  ok ... ya ... got all them set ... but no sounds in xchat ...  ... in the Settings>>Preferences>> the sound playing method is on Automatic .. just like Gaim02:43
usualloaofwar3: I was recently a big GTK gnome fan02:43
usualbut kde 3.4 has fixed the issues I had with it02:43
usualvery fast02:43
mwylde3.4 is amazingly fast02:43
apokryphosinfidel: are you on Warty?02:43
usualand functional02:43
geneo93hou5ton:  its beyond me then02:43
loaofwar3how would i update the sources.list?02:44
loaofwar3to the correct websites?02:44
usualfor kubuntu?02:44
infidelapokryphos, yes02:44
loaofwar3no regular ubuntu02:44
apokryphosloaofwar3: please check the websites that those old links forward you to.02:44
apokryphosinfidel: you need to enable the "Universe" repository.02:45
loaofwar3o ok02:45
mwyldeI am presented with the boot screen, and when I press 'enter' I get an error message along the lines of 'the kernel could not uncompress'02:45
infidelapokryphos, i did, do i have to speel out the full name of the package or just the name02:45
loaofwar3Err http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages02:46
loaofwar3  404 Not Found02:46
loaofwar3so i would just click that site?02:46
mwyldeIs my iso corrupted?02:46
apokryphosinfidel: make sure you do apt-get update first. Nope. Just rcs (if that's the exact package name) will install that package.02:46
apokryphosloaofwar3: yup.02:46
infidelapokryphos, ok02:46
usualwhat command would unrar an .rar file02:47
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usualunrar 0x file.rar doesn't work02:47
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apokryphosusual: it should, but rar is available, too.02:47
usualapokryphos: that don't work either02:47
apokryphosWhat's the error message?02:48
geneo93its a newer rar file thats why02:48
usualno errors02:48
geneo93look in home dir then02:48
no0ticwill luminocity be included in hoary?02:49
no0ticcrimsun: you're answering me?02:50
mwyldeIt's just a tech demo at this point02:50
mwyldeNothing even close to being a final product02:50
mwyldeA very cool one, though02:50
loaofwar3apokryphos: you are GOD!02:50
loaofwar3thanks you SO MUCH!!02:50
airoxWauw, a god :)02:50
no0ticcrimsun: 2nd question: will luminocity features be included in metacity?02:51
apokryphosloaofwar3: I promise I'm not. ;-) No problem.02:51
crimsunno0tic: not my call or my area, but I don't think so. What ever's in 2.10 is with what Hoary will ship.02:51
usualthis is gay02:52
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no0ticcrimsun: thanks02:52
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fissyif you have unrar installed,  file-roller ought o be able to deal with rars usual02:53
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usualfissy: it wont work, but it's ok I just found out what I was trying to use stopped being a opensource project02:54
infidelapokryphos, thanks, after doing the apt-get update it showed up in synoptics02:54
fissywhats the error message usual?02:55
usualfissy: I think whoever said it is a new rar was right, no useful error's, just that it fails02:55
crimsunusual: install rar from multiverse02:56
crimsunusual: then use 'rar e foo.rar'02:56
usualcrimsun: doesn't work02:56
loaofwar3ok now i got another problem with repos02:56
loaofwar3ftp.nerim.net doesnt work for me02:56
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loaofwar3Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages02:56
loaofwar3  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '02:56
loaofwar3i went to the site and it only has /debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i38602:57
loaofwar3not binary-amd6402:57
crimsunloaofwar3: read the amd64 section at http://debian.video.free.fr/02:58
crimsunusual: does http://www.rarsoft.com/rar/rarlinux-3.4.1.tar.gz work?02:58
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fissyare you sure the rar isn't just broken?02:59
loaofwar3nice thanks!02:59
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haydenhow can i check using apt if there are any new upgrades without downloading them03:02
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mwyldeI'm getting an error when I try to boot hoary: "Uncompressing Linux...03:03
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geneo93hayden:  just say no03:03
mwyldeinvalid compressed format (err=1)03:03
mwyldethen it stops03:03
apokryphoshayden: Pretty clear in synaptic, too, if you use that.03:03
mwyldeDoes anyone know what the problem is?03:04
fissychecked the md5sum of the disc?03:04
mwyldeIs it a corrupted cd?03:04
mwyldeI'll do that03:04
mariois planner 0.13 on hoary?03:04
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declanHi all.  I have a wierd problem.  Since a recent upgrade, all of the KDE applications cause the system to sieze up entirely.  I can't do a thing.  I can't even restart x or open a terminal.  I have hoary with the kubuntu-desktop.  Any ideas?03:05
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hou5ton??  would it be a bad idea to go ahead and uncomment the "hoary-updates main restricted" lines in sources.list ... or should I wait until hoary is final?03:07
declanMario, it's Planner 12.1 on this up-to-date hoary03:07
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siimohi how do i prevent dhcp in ubuntu from overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf on bootup03:10
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siimorunning hoary here03:10
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turfho to i disable ntp?03:12
turfhow to i disable ntp?03:12
stephen_I do Not KNow03:13
crimsunturf: did you install ntp-server?03:13
turfi mean during start up ntp is syncronizing my clock setting to ntp.ubuntulinux.org i want to disable03:14
turfi think so03:14
crimsunturf: sudo aptitude remove ntpdate03:14
turfwhere do i edit ntp?03:14
siimoturf, just remove ntpdate  :-/ thats what i did it03:14
stephen_how i get steam on ubuntu03:14
siimocause it kept setting my clock 1 hr behind local time03:15
siimoubuntu timeserver is broken03:15
turfbut i'll be using it sync to our own ntp server, is it ok to remove it?03:15
crimsunsiimo: your hardware clock is set to UTC?03:15
siimocrimsun, no and thats what i selected in the installer03:16
crimsunturf: ok, so you want to keep the program but prevent it from running at boot?03:16
mwyldethe hashes are the same03:16
turfcrimsun: yap!03:16
crimsunturf: then, sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove03:16
crimsunturf: you don't need to remove the package, just run the above command03:16
siimocrimsun, and since then my local time has changed only last week but havent bothered reinstalling ntp to check if ubuntus server is fixed it wasnt till 2 weeks ago03:17
stephen_how i get steam on ubuntu03:17
turfcrimsun: got it thanks!03:17
crimsunsiimo: have you informed Kamion of that issue in the installer?03:17
mwyldeSince the hashes are the same (and thus not a corrupt file), does anyone knwo what the problem might be?03:17
siimocrimsun, what issue?03:18
siimocrimsun, i think its the time server's fault not installers, same thing happened on warty03:18
hou5ton??  would it be a bad idea to go ahead and uncomment the "hoary-updates main restricted" lines in sources.list ... or should I wait until hoary is final?03:18
crimsunsiimo: ah, ok.  So the _installer_ is fine.03:18
turfone more thing, how can i update my totem i can't run .dat files?03:18
crimsunhou5ton: you can track Hoary as it develops03:18
siimoyeah ntp.ubuntulinux.org or whatever was broken03:18
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geneo93hou5ton:  wait till april 403:19
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stephen_how i get steam on ubuntu03:19
crimsunstephen_: www.transgaming.com03:19
hou5tonthat sounds like two different answers ... but I may not understand the lingo   "tracking"03:19
crimsunhou5ton: tracking means to follow03:19
hou5tonwhat about the universe repositorys03:20
crimsunhou5ton: it's preferable to use universe as opposed to external non-ubuntu repos03:20
siimowhat are runlevel 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 and S ?03:20
stephen_THank u!03:20
siimothats what sysv-rc-conf shows03:20
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xenGlennI have an interesting one: how do I run a command in the terminal that forces an application to execute into a specific workspace?03:20
crimsunsiimo: 1 is single, S is single, 0 is power off, 6 is reboot, 2-5 are multiuser03:20
shmoolikhello ppl and happy holy day :)03:21
shmoolikdoes any of ye good ppl know were thunderbird is installed?03:21
turfshmoolik: like wise!03:21
siimocrimsun, so if i want to turn off something i turn them all off? , what if i want to turn something back on03:21
siimoxorg-common is only on S03:22
hou5toncrimsun and geneo93: i have uncommented hoary universe and security universe ... that's fine I assume?03:22
turfcrimsun: is there equivalent command for chkconfig?03:22
crimsunsiimo: it only needs to be in S, because it only needs to run once (during boot), and S is invoked first during boot.03:22
crimsunturf: no, but there's roughly /etc/init.d/foo03:22
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crimsunmwylde: what arch?03:23
black_Nightmareany of you know if all pci slots share one bandwith?03:23
zenwhenthey do03:23
crimsunblack_Nightmare: they all share the PCI bus, yes.03:23
siimocrimsun, so the ones that are in S are the only ones that load on boot ?03:24
crimsunsiimo: /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/03:24
crimsunmwylde: install or live?03:25
black_Nightmarecrimsun so.. 3 pci or one pci via 3-pci riser ... both perform the same I take it?03:25
siimook thanks03:25
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crimsunmwylde: have you run memtest86+ on the RAM?03:25
geneo93maybe he dont have enough ram too03:26
mwyldeI have 512mb03:26
geneo93thats enough03:26
mwyldeI've run FC3, gentoo, and winXP on this computer03:27
geneo93its the media then03:27
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turfany one have installed skype in ubuntu?03:27
mwyldeI'll re-burn the file03:27
geneo93mwylde:  cant you check md5sum of cd03:28
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xenGlennI am meaning and wanting to install skype (running ubuntu)03:28
IAmTheWalrusanybody know how to make a bluetooth mouse talk to the computer? it says it's connected, but it won't do anything03:28
mwyldegeneo93: I'll do that03:29
geneo93mwylde:  what image is it03:29
black_Nightmarebye now crimsun ;)03:29
stephen_o ya03:30
geneo93anyone have that here so you can check md5sum03:30
mwyldeI've already checked the md5 of the iso, and it's the same as on the website03:30
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stephen_srry wrong place03:31
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stangcan someone tell me if I have an ipv6 problem?  I just downloaded hoary preview and was very impressed.  Everything worked perfect... until i did apt-get upgrade... now it looks as if the dns is never resolved.03:31
geneo93but the cd would give diff md5sum03:31
crimsunstang: the first thing you should inspect is whether /etc/resolv.conf looks sane03:31
ryanpghola... I'm going to give ubuntu hoary preview a shot... can someone tell me what version of alsa is installed... or where I can find that info03:31
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crimsunryanpg: Hoary Preview uses Linux 2.6.10, so you have ALSA
mwyldeI'm going to try reburning the iso03:32
crimsunryanpg: universe has 1.0.803:32
ryanpgcrimsun, argh.. .not what I wanted to hear03:32
crimsunryanpg: 1.0.8 not new enough?03:32
ryanpgcrimsun, oh... "universe" is ubuntu-speak03:33
stangcrimsun: ok... I'll switch back over and check it out, I use a little script I made to connect to my home wireless network with a static ip that works just fine in FC3 and did work just fine in hoary... then after updating, all went to hell03:33
crimsun1.0.9rc2 was only out today.03:33
ryanpgcrimsun, I thought you meant "everyone else has 1.0.8"03:33
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bluefoxicyI wonder how likely it is that the gnome people would actually try to write an allocator.03:33
crimsunryanpg: no, universe means 1.0.8 is available to you.03:33
ryanpgcrimsun, got it now03:33
IAmTheWalrusthe hell are you doing here03:33
crimsunhe's a virus.03:34
crimsunthe pax virus.03:34
IAmTheWalrusI was aware of that03:34
bluefoxicyI suggested that it's really a good idea to move away from the friggin' heap design of malloc() and new[]  because the heap does NOT WORK FOR FUCKING LARGE MEMORY AREAS03:34
IAmTheWalrusI know blue03:34
bluefoxicyit worked when we had 640k of ram03:34
IAmTheWalrusI want to punch him03:34
bluefoxicyit doesn't work now.03:34
bluefoxicywho the hell are you anyway?03:34
IAmTheWalrusI am the walrus03:34
crimsunbluefoxicy: I presume you're active in u-h?03:34
IAmTheWalrusfeh, I'll swallow my pride03:35
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crimsunbluefoxicy: (since ranting about it in the general support channel is going to be ... less than productive ;)03:35
bluefoxicythere's a #ubuntu-hardened now?03:35
IAmTheWalrusBlue, know anything about making bluetooth devices work?03:35
crimsunbluefoxicy: I meant the project, generally.03:35
bluefoxicynot really active03:36
bluefoxicymore a PR guy03:36
IAmTheWalrusanswer the question03:36
bluefoxicyI'm the guy who tries to convince everyone of why we all NEED extra security.03:36
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bluefoxicywalrus:  no03:36
IAmTheWalrusor I'll devour your loved ones03:36
bluefoxicycrimsun:  http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction  :>03:36
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micahfis there a ppc ubuntu channel?03:37
micahfbecause I have a new powerbook and the trackpad definitely doesn't work03:37
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micahfI also can't find drivers for my video card, but I'm less hopeful about that03:37
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helio7I need a reminder how to find the video card this machine has so I can install the appropriate driver to get better framerates...  can anyone tell me the command?03:38
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micahfdon't use a command03:38
micahfuse the device manager program03:38
micahfunder x03:38
helio7ok micahf thanks03:39
micahfshould be right at the top of the list03:39
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helio7oh yeah micahf thanks =P03:39
PacoBCNbluefoxicy, interesting page03:39
PacoBCNbluefoxicy, having a look03:39
bluefoxicyPacoBCN:  note that I point out how bad an idea having a heap is03:40
micahfhelio7 or pacoBCN, do you know of a ubuntu powerpc channel?03:40
micahfbluefoxicy ^^^03:40
micahfyou too!03:40
PacoBCNmicahf, no, sorry03:40
caffinatedmicahf: didn't you just ask that?03:40
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helio7micahf: no I don't03:40
bluefoxicythe heap is an abstraction of pretty much an area of memory which grows and shrinks03:40
bluefoxicyand is manipulated by an allocator03:40
bluefoxicywe don't need that.03:40
micahfcaffinated, nobody said "no, I don't" so I asked again03:40
caffinatedmicahf: no, i don't know.03:41
bluefoxicywe can use mmap() segments functioning as a bunch of independent heaps.  Due to the massive potential for memory fragmentation-- heap fragmentation being very performance damaging-- this is better.03:41
caffinatedas far as i know there isn't one.03:41
geneo93micahf:  google it03:41
micahfyea I am03:41
micahfcan't find one03:41
geneo93then there aint one03:41
PacoBCNFirefox consumes an enormous amount of memory...03:41
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PacoBCNI find some times around 250Mb of mem03:42
micahfwell then someone in here must be on ppc03:42
caffinatedthe unfortunate thing for you is that PC users outnumber mac users on an order of magnitude.  you'll probably have a hard time finding PPC specific help.03:42
micahfooh, I dunno03:42
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helio7so I've heard it said that the unofficial ubuntuguide is warty-oriented... do you think I'd be safe using the same install procedure for nvidia drivers??03:42
micahfhi nis03:42
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caffinatednis: there ya go, then you can help him ;)03:42
micahfnis: you wouldn't happen to be on a powerbook would you?03:42
nismicahf: nope. iMac G4.03:42
AbsenthPacoBCN, you're right.  on my slow computer, I started using Dillo, for everything I can.  If I can't view a site, I'll launch Firefox for that page only.03:42
PacoBCNhelio7, if I'm not wrong only the name of packages changes, the rest is ok03:43
micahfnis: have you gotten hardware acceleration to work?03:43
nismicahf: I run the benh kernel here.03:43
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PacoBCNAbsenth, yes, it's hard to admit but it has better performances under Windows03:43
helio7ty PacoBCN03:43
nismicahf: and GEforce2MX vid03:43
xenGlennWhat's a decent soft-firewall to use? Is fs-security.com any good?03:44
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Absenthnis, micahf, I don't suppose either of you know if the Airport Extreeme can be put into monitor mode when using something other then OSX?03:44
micahfnis: ahh, so then my radeon is probably a little big different03:44
micahfabsenth, there aren't any drivers for it03:44
AbsenthPacoBCN, Firefox runs like crap on OSX also.  I use Safari for most browsing on the mac.03:44
nisAbsenth: I don't have airport here, sorry.03:44
Absenthmicahf, danke.  that answers my question.03:44
micahfabsenth: the company that makes the chipset won't release specs03:44
Bicchihow easy is to upgrade ubuntu, for example upgrading the kernel?03:44
stangcrimsun: no problems now... thanks03:44
micahfabsenth, you should sign a petition03:44
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FackamatoBicchi: as easy as apt-get install kernelversion03:45
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helio7Does anyone know of a program that can get audacity to export as rm or swf?  I have some problems getting mp3 to stream to a school behind a filterwall, so I was going to re-encode it to a different format that wasn't blocked but I'm having a hard time locating an app to do so03:45
micahfabsenth, because that no-driver problem has been driving me absolutely nuts recently03:45
siimocan someone verity this bug is not fixed yet?03:45
nismicahf: my impression is that everyone uses the framebuffer.  However ur vid hdwe is detected precisely (dmesg says the name of the exact vid card u run).03:45
Absenthmicahf, shrug, I can use my prism2 usb, for that.03:45
BicchiFackamato: so that does the trick03:45
mdzcsj: which packages did you remove?03:45
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PacoBCNAbsenth, it's very frustrating since I was a big supporter of Firefox until I switched to Linux03:45
Absenthmicahf, actually, I've found KisMac to do a pretty good job.03:46
mdzcsj: you need xresprobe, discover1, and a number of others for the detection to work properly03:46
micahfnis: so I probably can't do 3d acceleration?03:46
csjmdz: I remove most packages and keep these in bootstrap script03:46
AbsenthPacoBCN, I still use it on the faster linux machines at home and work.  it's just this one runs lik crap.03:46
mdzcsj: I don't recommend removing packages from the live CD unless you can be certain they aren't needed03:46
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AbsenthPacoBCN, this is a P2 266 w192mb of ram.  Running Warty/XFCE03:46
csjmdz: ok, I try to install them, thanks :)03:46
PacoBCNAbsenth, I only use Firefox, indeed, but I'm not so happy anymore.03:47
mdzcsj: at a minimum: xresprobe, discover1, mdetect03:47
AbsenthPacoBCN, I was astounded to see gnome-terminal takes 9% of the cpu idle.03:47
nismicahf: I have no idea about that.   I can say the vid hdwe here performs adequately.03:47
csjmdz: ok, thanks a lot03:47
Absenthidle as in, not doing anything, just having it open.03:47
PacoBCNAbsenth, my laptop is a 512Mb Ram Pentium IV with 64Mb Video  and still you see how it slows down the entire sys.03:47
AbsenthPacoBCN, now, on the Athlon xp 2400, and the 1900+ with 1gb and 512mb respetivly, firefox seems to run as well there as it did on windows.03:48
nismicahf: there's entire systems (web site networks) concerned with Linux-powerpc.03:48
AbsenthPacoBCN, which kernel version are you runing?  Arch Specific, or the 386?03:48
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AbsenthPacoBCN, I saw a pretty decient boost in performance loading the K7 kernels on those two machines.03:49
bluefoxicyPacoBCN:  firefox for me starts with 40M and winds up at 100; closing all tabs leaves it at 100.03:49
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bluefoxicymy design would allieviate that, or attempt to.03:49
bluefoxicynot 100% effectively of course03:49
PacoBCNAbsenth, well, being Intel proc. there's not much I can do03:49
bluefoxicybut it should be more efficient at cleaning up after memory usage spikes.03:49
micahfnis: I know, I'm just new to mixing kernels and stuff03:49
AbsenthPacoBCN, You could fire up the 686 specific kernel.03:50
micahfnis: like I have no idea how you are using benh's kernel03:50
FackamatoPacoBCN: p4 with hyperthreading enabled?03:50
Fackamatothen use the 686-smp03:50
Fackamatootherwise 68603:50
nismicahf: I bootstrapped this machine with Yellow Dog.03:50
AbsenthFackamato, Even better idea if he's got HT.03:50
micahfnis: I see03:50
PacoBCNFackamato, never heard of it.03:50
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micahfnis: I've never bootstrapped before03:50
AbsenthPacoBCN, how fast of a P4 is it?03:50
PacoBCNAll suggestions for speeding up my sys will be welcome :)03:50
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micahfnis: the hardest thing I've done is install gentoo03:50
PacoBCNAbsenth, 2.803:51
AbsenthPacoBCN, It might have hyper threading.....03:51
micahfnis: on a firewire drive though, which was pretty tough at the time03:51
micahfnis: don't know if things have improved for booting firewire03:51
nismicahf: well gentoo does sync the correct kernel source IIRC.03:51
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micahfnis: but that was a pretty sweet hack back then03:51
micahfyea I know03:51
micahfubuntu doesn't03:51
nismicahf: firewire detected here but I've nothing to test it with. ;)03:51
PacoBCNThis is what cat /proc/cpuinfo tells:03:52
PacoBCNprocessor : 003:52
PacoBCNvendor_id : GenuineIntel03:52
PacoBCNcpu family : 1503:52
PacoBCNmodel : 203:52
PacoBCNmodel name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz03:52
PacoBCNstepping : 903:52
PacoBCNcpu MHz : 2794.66703:52
PacoBCNcache size : 512 KB03:52
PacoBCNfdiv_bug : no03:52
PacoBCNhlt_bug : no03:52
PacoBCNf00f_bug : no03:52
PacoBCNcoma_bug : no03:52
PacoBCNfpu : yes03:52
PacoBCNfpu_exception : yes03:52
Absenthmembreya, I've got a bunch of AMD machines at home, and no HT pentium IV's  its an easy technology to overlook.03:52
PacoBCNcpuid level : 203:52
PacoBCNwp : yes03:52
PacoBCNflags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr03:52
PacoBCNbogomips : 5554.1703:52
crimsunPacoBCN: please flood in #flood, thanks.03:52
PacoBCNAbsenth, is that a feature that speeds up the performances?03:52
nismicahf: my impression is there's no special ubuntu support for powerpc, above and beyond debian upstream.03:52
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crimsunnis: there aren't many ppc folks, unfortunately03:53
shank_bluefoxicy, you can't use top or ps or whatever as an indication of wheater an app free's its memory03:53
stephen_how do i save and exit something in ubuntu from terminal?03:53
stephen_i opened sudo nano /etc/modutils/aliases and did some tweaking but how do i exit it ?03:53
AbsenthPacoBCN, the cpu "Acts" like a dual cpu system.  with HT the system will multitask quite a bit better.03:53
stephen_it says ^X03:53
stephen_wtf is that03:53
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AbsenthPacoBCN, you can install the updated kernel from synaptic, or with apt-get03:53
stephen_How do i exit?03:53
nisstephen_: control x03:53
stephen_thank u03:53
bluefoxicyshank_:  I wrote an app to test03:53
bluefoxicyshank_:  it allocated a bunch of 16 byte segments and made 100M of allocations total03:54
nisstephen_: the caret symbol (^) is standard for 'control'03:54
bluefoxicythen freed all but the highest03:54
bluefoxicyand slept for 15 seconds03:54
bluefoxicyduring which time it held 100M RSS03:54
bluefoxicythen it freed everything and slept again03:54
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dleHi everyone.  About today's cdrecord update.  The version that would be installed from warty-security is shown as yada-yada-1ubuntu2.2.  However, I already have a version called same-yada-1ubuntu3 installed from warty-updates.  So, am I 'safe' with that one, or should I jump back to the one from -security?03:54
micahfnis: yea I am using ubuntu because I'm lazy03:54
bluefoxicyduring which time it had minimal RSS03:54
micahfI should probably install gentoo though03:54
micahfgentoo is my favorite favorite linux03:55
micahfbecause the package system is source based03:55
shank_bluefoxicy, my point is, the kernel doesn't reclaim memory allocated from the heap as soon as its freed03:55
AbsenthI think Portage is a cheep, underpowered knockoff of Ports :)03:55
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nismicahf: I'm using ubuntu because um I am used to dselect/dpkg.03:55
DakPowersI recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Is there a cure for this?03:55
PacoBCNAbsenth, sorry for bothering, you don't know the name of the packs, do you? I don't see more than the kernel-headers installed in my pc03:55
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shank_you simply can't use top or ps as a rigirouse method of determinging if an app calls free03:55
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AbsenthPacoBCN, one second.03:55
micahfnis: yea I'm used to apt-get :D aka lazy03:56
crimsunPacoBCN: linux-image-foo, linux-headers-foo03:56
AbsenthDid we determind if PacoBCN's processor had HT?03:56
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orkois it necessary to create a seperate /boot partition (Warty 4.10) ?03:56
crimsunorko: no03:56
ewhittenorko: nope03:56
PacoBCNAbsenth, I didn't detemine anything, at least :)03:56
ewhittenbeat me to it.03:56
nismicahf: I chroot into gentoo from inside ubuntu also.03:56
PacoBCNcrimsun, thanks03:56
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bluefoxicyshank_:  right03:57
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DakPowersI didn't know if this was a common problem03:57
nisDakPowers: can  u get a terminal?03:57
crimsunPacoBCN: does /proc/cpuinfo tell you 2 cpus?03:57
bluefoxicyshank_:  but if you free the memory at the end of the heap, the allocator will brk() the heap down and the kernel will reclaim it.03:57
caffinatedorko: it's generally a good idea as a precaution because you can have it automaticly unmount after the boot process is done.03:57
ewhittenI've still yet to determine why my amd64 box locks up spontaneously in linux.03:57
micahfnis: I never figured out the exact concept of chrooting03:57
bluefoxicyshank_:  if the heap isn't brk()ed down, it never shrinks.03:57
bluefoxicykernel never touches it.03:57
micahfnis: but I know that sounds awesome03:57
stangIs there a command that I can use to put dns servers in resolv.conf without editing manually (this will go into a script)?03:57
nismicahf: I think it's kinda insecure myself but it's great in a pinch.03:57
Absenthcrimsun, I don't think it showed a CPU103:58
PacoBCNcrimsun, don't find anything like that03:58
DakPowersI recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Is there a cure for this?03:58
orkocaffinated: thats a really interesting option, thanks03:58
crimsunPacoBCN: then you want linux-image-2.6.10-5-68603:58
micahfnis: can you completely change to another system without rebooting that way?03:58
PacoBCNcrimsun, cool, thanks03:58
nisstang: edit the 'tail' file (it's a kludge tho)03:58
PacoBCNI always thought I needed the 38603:58
crimsunPacoBCN: that's the catch-all03:58
pvocehas anyone else had problems with nvidia driver settings staying resident after reboot?03:59
stangDakPowers, what resolution is your old monitor capable of?  I ran into that once...03:59
stangthanks nis03:59
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nismicahf: no. you mount proc inside the jail and then chroot to it.03:59
AbsenthPacoBCN, if you're running warty, you're probibly looking for something like "kernel-image-2.6.7-1-68603:59
shank_bluefoxicy, so what are you suggesting, that firefox should free its memory in some specific fashion?03:59
PacoBCNNo, I'm running hoary03:59
bluefoxicyshank_:  absolutely not.03:59
shank_then what's this "my design"?03:59
bluefoxicyshank_:  I'm suggesting glibc be rewritten with a new allocator to back malloc() and new[] 03:59
DakPowersstang: It's a new monitor, capable of 1280x1024... But I only set it to accept 1024x768 and under04:00
PacoBCNBut I'm affraid that if I install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 I'll have problems at boot04:00
AbsenthPacoBCN, then you'll look for something that's like kernel-image-2.6.10-5-686 or along those lines.04:00
micahfnis: I see04:00
AbsenthPacoBCN, I don't have hoary on anything I can look at at the moment.  the pc running it is in SWG :)04:00
bluefoxicyshank_:  one which uses mmap() segments to allocate reasonable chunks of memory to manage, instead of using the heap and brk() to try to manage a continuous, fragmented area of memory possibly gigabytes wide.04:00
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DakPowersAny suggestions?04:00
stangDakPowers: Then that's not your problem... I once used an old old old IBM monitor and Red Hat used too large of a resolution by default.04:01
stangBut this isn't your problem04:01
bluefoxicyshank_:  allocating everything by mmap() is evil as well, btw.  Allocating a big 4M chunk by mmap() and making it share multiple pieces of memory as requested by malloc() allows you to free that chunk when it's empty04:01
PacoBCNAbsenth, thanks, it's just because I remember once I upgraded the kernel, created a new entry in grub and couldn't boot with the new one04:01
nismicahf: mount -t proc none /mnt/hda5/proc && chroot /mnt/hda5 /bin/bash (where hda5 is the gentoo volume u could boot directly into from yaboot)04:01
DakPowersBut I only set it to accept 1024x768 during installation, it'll still do larger?04:01
stangI'm learning like you... one of these other guys will have your answer though... just get their attention04:01
stangNo, I think your resolution is fine04:01
bluefoxicyshank_:  so 1 segment per 4M, rather than 1 segment per allocation (a bad alternative to the current design) or 1 giant heap per everything in the universe (the horrid current design)04:01
DakPowersAnyone else ever have resolution problems?04:02
DakPowersThanks, though, stang :)04:02
stangNot a problem... it was worth a shot :-)04:02
shank_bluefoxicy, you actually discussed this with anyone that has a clue? instead of #ubuntu?04:02
stephen_Should i upgrade the defualt Ubuntu Firefox to the latest?04:02
PacoBCNAbsenth, so I will probably wait until next fresh installation, when Hoary will be release, but opens a window of hope in performances to know that it might speed up with this specific kernel04:02
bluefoxicyshank_:  no.  :)  my last design was way overboard, so I toned this one down04:03
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bluefoxicywe won't go into that, it's complex and insane04:03
stephen_Should i upgrade the defualt Ubuntu Firefox to the latest?04:03
bluefoxicyand while a good idea, not practical.04:03
shank_bluefoxicy, then goe use that intellect todo some good instead of just trying to look smart in #ubuntu04:03
AbsenthPacoBCN, nod nod.04:03
nismicahf: http://penguinppc.org/kernel/04:03
stephen_Can i upgrade the defualt ubuntu firefox installation?04:03
bluefoxicyshank_:  I posted stuff all the hell over the gnome wikipage for MemoryReduction.  Somebody with half a clue will see it.04:04
bluefoxicyshank_:  I could post to redhat's bugzilla but they'll be like *eyesroll*04:04
DakPowersI recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Has this happened to anyone?04:04
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micahfyea I have no love for red hat either man04:05
infidelDakPowers, can you startx04:06
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PacoBCNAbsenth, so, might this also add powernowd feature?04:07
nismicahf: they say the benh trees are dead as of Dec 2004.04:07
AbsenthPacoBCN, not sure what you're asking.04:07
micahfnis: why is that?04:07
stephen_I LOVE U GUYS04:08
nismicahf: he has a life? ;)04:08
stephen_ubuntu make me old hardware usefull04:08
DakPowersstartx? If it has to do with the OS, it disappears as soon as it loads04:08
micahfnis: hey now, we all have lives04:08
nismicahf: http://ppckernel.org/tree.php?id=304:08
micahfnis: I'm sure benh is just getting married or something04:08
infidelDakPowers, what errors?04:08
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PacoBCNAbsenth, I'm running Ubuntu in a laptop and seems it doesn't have powernowd. I'm just wondering if switching to 686 could add it.04:09
PacoBCNAbsenth, but don't worry, I'll find out04:09
AbsenthPacoBCN, ok..  :)04:09
FackamatoPacoBCN: apt-get install powernowd04:09
DakPowersinfidel: I install Ubuntu Warty. As soon as the installation is over and the OS starts up (where it should be the name: pass:) screen, the monitor doesn't display anything... It goes into "monitor is ok, check cables" mode04:09
PacoBCNFackamato, it is installed04:09
infidelDakPowers, wow04:10
DakPowersAs if it's trying to put up a resolution that my monitor doesn't support04:11
PacoBCNbut I'm having problems when executing it04:11
PacoBCNthat's why I asked04:11
DakPowersBut I only choose 1024, 800 and 600, and I know my monitor can take all of those04:11
stangDakPowers, i think there's an argument you can pass to the kernel when booting to tell it what resolution04:11
stanghave you tried that?04:11
geneo93DakPowers:  try vesa till you get update04:12
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DakPowersWhat do you mean, geneo93?04:12
DakPowersAnd stang, I'm not sure04:12
infidelDakPowers, sounds about right does it start to load the os?04:12
geneo93the xserver driver vesa04:13
orkoif u create / as partition 1, and /boot as partition 2, would u still set / as 'bootable04:13
DakPowersYeah, it loads everything, you can hear the sounds... I blindly type in my name/pass and it starts up04:13
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haydenhow can i make an icon of a samba share appear on the desktop when i mount a samba share? im using kubuntu04:13
infidelDakPowers, you running grub?04:13
tomcatANyone know how to access a windows share? I can see the computers, but can't connect to them!04:14
FackamatoPacoBCN: what problems?04:14
Fackamatotry sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd restart04:14
PacoBCNThis is not flood:04:14
haydentomcat: samba, www.ubuntuguide.org04:14
PacoBCNPowerNowd encountered and error and could not start.04:14
PacoBCNPlease make sure that:04:14
PacoBCN - You are running a v2.5/v2.6 kernel or later04:14
PacoBCN - That you have sysfs mounted /sys04:14
PacoBCN - That you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace04:14
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PacoBCN   modules loaded into your kernel04:14
geneo93xf86config  try that and see if you can use vesa04:14
PacoBCN - That you have the cpufreq driver for your cpu loaded,04:14
PacoBCN   and that it works. (check dmesg for errors)04:14
ewhittengahh pastebin.04:15
PacoBCNok, ok, sorry04:15
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ewhittenno problem.  just a friendly notice. :)04:15
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DakPowersYes, infidel04:16
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micahfso I just heard that someone eating at wendy's bit in to part of a finger04:16
micahfon the news04:16
micahfmeaning that it's true04:16
micahfit really happened04:17
ewhittendon't eat the chili.04:17
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infidelDakPowers, try booting into console mode04:17
tomcatHayden: I've been all over the ubuntu guide site, and still have no idea. and those instructions there are for connection from windows to a windows share on the linux box, not the other way around04:17
micahfsomeone's finger got cut off while they were processing the low grade beef04:17
haydenMount network folder04:17
hayden $ sudo mkdir /media/sharename04:17
hayden $ sudo mount // /media/sharename/ -t smbfs -o username=myusername,password=mypassword04:17
micahfwhich I feel is somewhat gross04:17
geneo93ewhitten:  where do you think you are04:17
haydenthat was taken from ubuntuguide04:17
haydentomcat: make sure u have 'samba' and 'smbfs' installed04:18
tomcatHayden: I do... and when you say sharename, that's the name of the windows share, not the computer doing the sharing?04:19
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hayden192.168.0.1 is the ip of the computer the samba share u want to access is on, linux is the name of the samba share, /media/sharename is the local folder where the share will be mounted to04:20
stanginfidel: to boot into console mode, you just add init 3 to the end of the kernel, right?04:21
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tomcatHayden: so there's no way to connect to a windows computer and browse to see what shares there are? I'm trying to connect through gnome>places>network servers... but I think this one point is what's hanging me.04:21
micahfso who's going to eat at wendy's any time soon?04:22
FackamatoPacoBCN: do you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace ?04:22
FackamatoPacoBCN: and is sysfs mounted?04:22
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ewhittenmicahf:  me.04:22
haydentomcat: that doesn't actually 'mount' the share just lets you see what is there04:23
wiBoHi, im download ubuntu hoary :)04:23
PacoBCNFackamato, unfortunately I can't tell you. :S04:23
robl^is there an ubuntuguide for hoary? or at least a list of "extra repositories" for the new version?04:23
mdzrobl^: extra repositories containing what?04:23
mdzwiBo: welcome :-)04:23
tomcatHayden: so there's no way to connect to a windows computer and browse to see what shares there are?04:23
haydentomcat: i've found when i used gnome>places>network servers-- that some programs like xmms won't run files from there04:23
haydenyea there is04:24
wiBomdz, i'm on gentoo now, but can i keep my /home and /etc ?04:24
wiBoand keep my windows :P04:24
mdzwiBo: /home, yes, but not /etc04:24
tomcatI thought samba was... simpler than this.04:24
SysFailsamba is rough04:24
SysFailuse webmin to make it easier04:24
wiBomdz, i don't want to remake my config files lol, i'll tar it :P04:24
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wiBo123 mg in 3 min :P04:24
tomcatImproving samba's usability would help make many more linux converts04:24
robl^mdz:  containing things like extra codecs, dvd player, etc..04:25
tomcatbut I'll figure this out eventually, like the rest of it.04:25
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ewhittenrobl^:  that's all in the ubuntuguide04:25
haydenthere was a command line statement which shows you all the shares on a computer04:25
tomcatDIdn't know I'd have to know the ip address of the windows machine and all that...04:25
haydenbut i've forgotten it04:25
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ewhittenhayden:  smbclient -L <ip>04:25
RochaHello, what can i do to make ipod shuffle work?04:25
haydenyea thats it04:26
robl^ewhitten: yes..  but the guide is for wartty. I am looking to see if there is an update for hoary :)04:26
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membreyadoes anyone know how to override mesagl with nvidia's GL?04:26
robl^..or if I can use the same ones04:26
ewhittenrobl^:  I used the same ones.04:26
RochaI thought it was just a regular usb pen drive, and ubuntu would open it like my regular pen drive.04:26
tomcatEwhitten, hayden: thx. This gets me in the right direction.04:26
wiBodoes ubuntu had a French channel?04:26
ewhittenspecifically:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main04:27
ewhitten(that's my sources.list line)04:27
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robl^ewhitten: ahh. that's what I was looking to find out. I didn't want to mess it up using the wrong ones04:27
ewhittenyou want the libdvdcss2 and w32codecs packages, I believe.04:27
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robl^ewhitten: thanks.04:28
ewhittenRocha:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/28067904:29
ewhittenRocha:  and there are a couple other good links in the article for you as well.04:29
ewhittenthreat, rather.04:29
ewhittengahh. can't type.04:29
Rochaewhitten, i hope it works, i don't have windows at home04:29
ewhittenanyone seen my finger?  I'm short one...04:29
stanghow do I allow root to have a display?  export DISPLAY=MY_HOST:0.0 isn't working!04:29
funkyhow can i manage init scripts in ubuntu ? add/remove from a runlevel04:30
nisstang: You can cd /etc/rc2.d  &&  mkdir .hide  && cd .hide  && mv ../S99gdm .  (to boot into the console).04:30
nisstang: xhost +localhost but make sure 'nolisten' doesn't show up in a grep of the process table.04:31
stangyou are the man nis!04:31
stangthank you04:31
geneo93funky:  if you want to drop to 3 just type telinit 3 in terminal04:31
nisewhitten: that was a good finger.04:32
nisstang: welcome.04:32
funkygeneo93, Im not speaking about changing through runlevels, i would like to know if there exists any command/script/whatever to manage init scripts in ubuntu04:32
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ewhittennis:  was wondering if anyone else was going to catch that. ;)04:32
geneo93funky:  why do you need to04:33
stangnis: I can pass my fc3 kernel a "init 3" arg and it boots into command line, so that way I have 2 entries in grub, 1 for command line, 1 for graphical.  I can't be that lazy w/ Ubuntu?04:34
geneo93funky:  man init04:34
funkygeneo93, i dont want launch mdadm scripts for example04:34
funkygeneo93, in gentoo exists rc-update, i just want to know if exists something like that in ubuntu04:34
robl^hrmm..  I added the new repositories according to the guide, but now I get GPG error about no public key04:35
geneo93read that man on it04:35
stangnis: nevermind... had a brain fart04:35
stangi gotcha now04:36
tomcatCrap, I'm still stumped as to how to see the share on the windows networks here...04:37
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Fackamato<PacoBCN> Fackamato, unfortunately I can't tell you. :S <- err why not ?!04:37
Fackamatois it secret?04:37
FackamatoPacoBCN: sudo apt-get install cpufreq cpufreq-userspace04:38
nisstang: there used to be a keybinding to boot single-user mode.  Probably both shift keys held down at once.04:38
FackamatoPacoBCN: mount | grep sys04:38
Fackamatoif you don't get anything, then sysfs isn't mounted04:38
stangi'll give that a shot04:38
PacoBCNFackamato, sys found04:39
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tomcatI got 'could not resolve mount point04:39
FackamatoPacoBCN: ok, what about that apt04:39
PacoBCNno packs with that name04:39
PacoBCNhowever, lsmod gives me cpufreq_userspace       457204:39
PacoBCNcpufreq_powersave       192004:40
stangthanks for all the help... kinda fun learning a new linux system...04:40
PacoBCNprobably the modules aren't loaded at boot time04:40
FackamatoPacoBCN: what does powernowd say when you restart it through initd?04:40
Lizanyone else having a problem with gnome-panel not loading properly?04:40
PacoBCNCPU frequency scaling not supported                                   [ ok ] 04:41
Fackamatowhat cpu do you have?04:41
tomcatAnyone have a link to a better site for access a windows share? I've tried what it says in the ubuntu guide and no luck so far...04:41
PacoBCNFackamato, PentiumIV04:41
Fackamatomobile or what?04:41
PacoBCNMobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz04:42
Fackamatocat /proc/cpuinfo04:42
PacoBCNFackamato, this is why I asked if after installing 686 I will have powernowd support04:42
PacoBCNor if it depends on the hardware04:43
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Fackamatoboth I guess04:44
Fackamatodoes your cpu have hyperthreading?04:44
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PacoBCNFackamato, that is something I don't know how to find out04:46
PacoBCNFackomato: cat /proc/cpuinfo: http://pastebin.ca/819704:47
geneo93look in the device manager04:47
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FackamatoPacoBCN: running hoary?04:48
PacoBCNFackamato, yes and up to date04:48
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FackamatoPacoBCN: then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-68604:49
Fackamatoand boot that new kernel04:49
PacoBCNFackamato, yes, but I'm afraid it will give me problems at boot time04:49
Fackamatowhy would it?04:49
PacoBCNI'll try...04:49
nisLiz: Is it supposed to load?04:50
PacoBCNFackamato, downloading04:50
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FackamatoPacoBCN: ait04:50
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FackamatoPacoBCN: what graphics card do you have on that laptop?04:51
Liznis, in synaptic, ive got it as broken..and its freezing my system04:51
monkey89hey - is there a dvd I can download for installing hoary?04:51
Lizwhen i try to load it04:51
monkey89i dont see any iso files on the mirror04:51
tomcathey all, I have figured out I can do smbclient -L <name> and hit return at the pw prompt and get some output, but not a list of the shares o nthe machine....04:51
PacoBCNFackamato, nVidia GeForce04:51
tomcatI'm stumped as to how to connect to the windoze machines here!04:51
FackamatoPacoBCN: which one04:51
dmnhi, does fglrx support ati agp 320/340m card?04:51
funkygeneo93, update-rc is what i was looking for04:51
Fackamatodmn: what chip is that based on?04:52
nisLiz: Is there an ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file (either) present in $HOME?04:52
dmnfackmato: how to know the chip?04:52
funkygeneo93, and that script is not commented in init man04:52
PacoBCNFackamato, FX Go 530004:52
Fackamatodmn try lspci04:52
dmnfackmato: I'm not in-front my notebook now. I think it is radeon igp 345m04:53
FackamatoPacoBCN: okay, you'll have to reinstall the nvidia drivers after you've booted your new kernel. Do you know how to do that?04:53
PacoBCNFackamato, yes, I've done it a couple of times04:54
FackamatoPacoBCN: allright04:54
Liznis xsession-errors ?04:54
geneo93funky try man update-rc.d then04:54
Fackamatodmn: see https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=2704:55
dmnfackmato: thanks. looking now..04:56
funkygeneo93, i know04:56
funkyand i get it04:56
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nisLiz: possibly.  I think I'm on the wrong track tho.04:57
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nisLiz: You could always rename all ~/.gnome directories to see if the problem goes away.04:58
nis~/.gnome* I mean.04:58
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nisOr just create a test user.04:59
CB201hey, guys04:59
tomcatCan someone help me with samba? I'm totally stumped and going crazy here!04:59
CB201I'm having a bit of trouble running my wireless netwrok in Ubuntu, can anyone help?05:00
nisLiz: That's what I do here.  I create a test user after installing anything I think might be affected by my legacy files in $HOME.05:00
FackamatoCB201: maybe, describe your problem in details please.05:00
Fackamatotomcat: What are you trying to do?05:00
CB201okay, here goes05:00
PacoBCNKernel configured05:00
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nisLiz: also, dselect is a difficult tool to work with, but is what I use to fix broken package dependencies.  A quick 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure' might help also.05:01
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tomcatI've got a new ubuntu installed and I'm trying to access files on a couple of windows boxes in another part of the building.  Can't access the list of what the shares are named, but I can see the names of the windows computers05:02
Fackamatoyou need to know the names of the shares05:02
tomcatAnd I'm well and truely confused by what the ubuntu guide says.. and the howto samba on the samba site05:03
Fackamatosudo apt-get install smbfs if you haven't already05:03
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Liznis, it told me i needed to sudo dpkg --configure -a..but it was mainly the gnome-panel file that was broken05:03
tomcatdid all that, have it all installed05:03
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Lizi did that..but it didnt work..just threw up another error05:03
Lizand wouldnt install the other files05:04
nisLiz: how bad is the freeze-up?  What can't be done during this condition?05:04
siimohi can someone thats running hoary + gnome 2.10 show me a screenshot of their desktop with atleast 5 apps open, please?05:04
Fackamatotomcat: this is what it looks like in fstab05:04
Fackamato192.168.x.x/sharename/ /home/mountpoint smbfs username=usernamehere,password=passwordhere05:04
CB201My wireless card isn't supported, so I installed ndiswraper and set up my network using the driver on my card's CD.  I belive it's configured properly, because I am able to ping the other computer on my network, but I can't access the Internet.  I *am* able to access the internet from Windows XP, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong from within Ubuntu.  Any suggestions?05:04
Liznothing could be done..i had to do a reboot to get it to work again nis05:04
Fackamatosiimo: sure, hold on05:04
tomcatFackamoto: but if I don't have the share names...?05:04
Lizcouldnt get into a terminal to kill the program05:04
nisLiz: what about those 'safe' modes in gdm?05:05
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geneo93Liz:  pidof (program)05:06
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geneo93then kill that number05:06
machooanyone try to use bluetooth connectivity from ubuntu to their s65?05:06
siimoFackamato, thanks05:07
nisLiz: simple thing to try (and undo later):  cd ~   and then "echo sawfish > ~/.xsession"  (but be sure you aren't overwriting an old ~/.xsession file).  Then try other modes for session in gdm (the HumanCircle people screen where your name and password is typed in, in a graphical interface).05:07
CB201can anyone help me with my Internet connection sharing problem?05:07
EricNeonsmurfix, I ssh login ubuntu-zh,but couldnt edit my config files05:07
Fackamatosiimo: www.tehjunkyard.net/screenshot.png05:08
nisLiz: that overwrites ~/.xsession with a single command, 'sawfish' which is the window manager.05:08
Fackamatotomcat: you need the sharenames afaik05:08
Lizgeneo93, i coudlnt get into a terminal to do that05:08
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Fackamatomacewan: skip capslock05:08
Liznis ill give it a go05:08
Fackamatotyping with uppercase letters only means that you won't get any help at all05:08
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geneo93ctrl alt f105:08
siimoFackamato, are you using custom settings for gnome window list? mine gets crammed05:09
nisLiz: you can replace 'sawfish' with 'xterm' there also, if you like, but then you won't have a window manager either.  If  you do that, first command to type into the resultant xterm would be 'sawfish &'.05:09
Fackamatosiimo: nah, just a theme05:10
Lemonzestanyone know wht the daily torrent is not working?05:10
Lemonzestfor bunty 64bit05:10
FackamatoI'm using the clearlooks theme, siimo05:10
siimoFackamato, weird.. i have latest hoary and i have the bug where window list tabs dont take up the whole window list space in hoary05:10
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siimoFackamato, but its find on other distro with 2.1005:11
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Liznis we are talking about the synaptic update that hoary now does packages arent we?05:11
Lizok..gnome-panel has frozen again05:11
nisLiz: I haven't used Synaptic yet. I'm old school Debian.05:12
Lizwell..now i cant do anything on the panel05:12
Lizits frozen05:12
Lizthis is the only window i can use05:12
Lizvirtual window that is05:12
nisctrl alt f1 any good?05:12
Lizyep..that works05:13
Lizoh wait..its owrking again..05:13
Lizbut that is very very slow05:13
LizE: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.10.0-0ubuntu8_all.deb:  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/gnome/help/clock/es/clock.xml')05:13
geneo93out of memory05:13
Lizthats the error05:13
siimo:-( fonts are tooh small! http://www3.150m.com/screenshots/nautilus2.10bug.png05:13
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CB201My wireless card isn't supported, so I installed ndiswrapper and set up my network using the driver on my card's CD.  I belive it's configured properly, because I am able to ping the other computer on my network, but I can't access the Internet.  I *am* able to access the internet from Windows XP, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong from within Ubuntu.  Any suggestions?05:14
Fackamatosiimo: zoom in to 100%05:14
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FackamatoCB201: are you using DHCP in your network?05:15
siimoFackamato, well didnt happen in warty where zoom 75% still showed fonts ok05:15
Fackamatowhat do you get if you type 'route' at the CLI, CB20105:15
sabmochello all05:15
Fackamatosiimo: check the font settings then05:15
nisLiz: It'd be good to troubleshoot that on the console not in X11/GNOME.05:15
CB201(new to linux)05:15
Fackamatoa terminal05:16
JDahlCommand line interface05:16
CB201I'd have to boot back into Ubuntu to check...05:16
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CB201is is possible that I could be doing something wrong in the built-in networking wizard?05:17
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nisLiz: Did ctrl alt F1 restart the graphical login or did you get a text-only login screen?05:17
pvoceugh...someone please save my sanity!:))05:17
Liznis txt only05:17
PacoBCNFuckamato, didn't work but I know why05:17
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FackamatoCB201: maybe, if you don't add a gateway you won't get out on the net05:17
FackamatoPacoBCN: please spell my name correctly (type fack<press tab> )05:18
nisLiz: good.  If you login in text-only, you can get root and stop the graphical interface entirely.05:18
CB201well, I used the standard gateway address05:18
Liznis im not too handy on commandline only..but if you want me to do it that way05:18
Lizi can do05:18
pvocethe hoary nvidia glx drivers do not work, and I cant get the nvidia installer to recognize the sources path05:18
PacoBCNFackamato, sorry, dude, whas just a typo...05:18
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FackamatoPacoBCN: np, why didn't it work?05:18
nisLiz: It's the way I know. ;)05:18
PacoBCNFackamato, worked too many years in the porn industry...05:18
FackamatoPacoBCN: hgaha05:19
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PacoBCNFackamato, I first need to compile some specific drivers to make my wireless card work05:19
PacoBCNFackamato, then I'll be able to install nvidia and etcs05:19
PacoBCNFackamato, however, I just needed a good reason to format it all and reinstall it again.05:20
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PacoBCNAnd to change kernel is a good one05:20
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pvoceIve removed all of the nvidia-glx files, including restricted, and am trying to get the nvdia-installer to recognize the --kernel-source-path I gave it, as it freaks out over the symlink in /usr/modules05:20
Fackamatopvoce: you don't have to add --kernel-blabla to the nvidia installer05:21
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HaloA friend of mine is looking for a linux distro that will run on his Pentium 1 computer05:21
Fackamatojust create a symlink from your kernel headers to /usr/src/linux05:21
pvocehalo: slackware05:21
FackamatoHalo: this is not the one05:21
HaloI'm wondering if ubuntu without gnome would fit the bill?05:21
FackamatoHalo: debian woody or slackware05:21
HaloIs there a way of installing ubuntu without a GUI?05:22
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HaloThen he can just apt-get fluxbox?05:22
almhalo: do a server install05:22
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pvocefack: already there...the installer does not seem to recognize it for some readon...recent installers too05:22
HaloI really think that ubuntu's hardware detection and such would be the best thing for him... he's completely green to linux05:22
Haloso if it installs to a command line with detected hardware he's peachy.  I can take it from there05:22
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Haloalm: how do you do that?  Is it an install option?05:23
Fackamatopvoce: in terminal: ls -la /usr/src/linux05:23
Fackamato(not /usr/src/linux/ )05:23
ionrockhas anyone had any troubel enabling inotify in hoary?05:23
Fackamatowhat's inotify?05:23
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eleethey guys and gals05:24
ionrockit is a kernel something or other that allows for a central place for filesystem happenings or something similar to be notified... I realy don't know exactly what it does but beagle uses it'05:25
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pvocetheres why...its symlinked to linux-headers..etc....05:25
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Fackamatopvoce: it should be symlinked to linux-headers05:25
ionrockpvoce, should i get the headers then?05:25
eleeti've compiled a new kernel (
Fackamatopvoce: do you have the correct hedaers installed? and the kernel source? (and unarchived it?)05:26
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eleetbut i need the new initrd.img or i get a kernel panick on boot ?05:26
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pvocefack: yeppers...hoary 2.6.10-5-38605:26
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pvoceeven uname -r 'd to make sure05:27
ellshas anyone experienced choppy dvd video in hoary05:27
membreyaeleet: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=100460&postcount=1 try that..just take out the nvidia stuff05:27
pvoceells: you need to set your hdparm to 105:27
membreyaells: got DMA enabled on your DVD drive?05:27
Fackamatopvoce: it should not complain about anything05:27
ellspvoce: how05:27
ellsmembreya; how can I check05:27
pvocefack: thats the point...the installers cant find them no matter05:27
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membreyaells: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/(your dvd drive)05:28
ellsmembreya: okay05:28
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Fackamatopvoce: please paste the output of ls -la /usr/src/linux05:28
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Fackamatofackamato@fackamato:~ $ ls -la /usr/src/linux05:29
Fackamatolrwxrwxrwx  1 root src 31 2005-03-24 01:44 /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686-smp/05:29
pvocefack: there wasnt a /usr/scr/linux dir... just created it...there was the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10etc dir05:29
Fackamatopvoce: then that's what's wrong05:29
Fackamatoyou shouldn't create the dir05:29
Fackamatoyou should create a symlink to the headers05:29
Fackamato(as root in /usr/src): ln -s linux-headers-2.6.bla linux05:30
ellsmembreya: it worked, thanks05:30
snowgodHey all, anyone noticed anything wierd with CSS since the last firefox upgrade (running Hoary)?05:30
pvoceyoure typing faster than I am:)05:31
ionrocksnowgod, I have noticed that some areas that are supposed to be white are a gray color05:31
eleetlol, membreya - i'm still confused05:31
pvocefack: let me pop out of x for a bit and try it:)05:31
snowgodionrock: same here05:31
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eleetis this part what i need ?05:32
eleetInstall the new kernel-image and nvidia-kernel packages05:32
eleet$ cd /usr/src05:32
eleet$ sudo dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.10custom1*.deb05:32
snowgodionrock: Guess it isn't just me then. I'll do a little research and file a report assuming no-one has already05:32
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ionrocksnowgod: it might be a firefox thing since web developers shouldn't assume the background to be white...05:33
snowgodionrock: Thats true, but the page I'm seeing it on is an internal site that uses CSS, and it appears to explicitly set the color to #FFFFFF in an external CSS file, I'll poke around and see if Firefox on other OSes act the same.05:35
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snowgodthats why I thought something changed with css parsing05:35
eleetif it helps, i dont have the make-kpkg command05:35
ionrocktouche :)05:35
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rob_I've got a quick question...05:36
wiboHi, i have finished the installation of Hoary and when I have rebooted, i got Grub Error 18, what i do now?05:36
PacoBCNJust noticed that the Preview CD image is 533Mb big... there's still room for packages there05:36
akksnowgod, ionrock: of course you can set the background color to anything you want, if you want it to be white and that isn't the default any more.05:36
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pvocefack: negative.....it found the build symlink in /lib/modlues... but still will not recognize the header files05:36
rob_I'm trying to install Kmud, and when I go to the folder and do ./configure I get this error: configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.05:36
rob_  Any idea why?05:36
akkI always set my background to something a little off-white, so I'll know if I'm making assumptions like that in web pages.05:36
JDahlrob_, try to install build-essentials05:37
Fackamatopvoce: what does ls -la /usr/src/linux say05:37
pvocefack: here is the /lib/modules the inastaller hits05:38
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   5 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:30 .05:38
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   4 root root   4096 2005-03-24 21:47 ..05:38
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:28 boot05:38
pvocelrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     35 2005-03-23 21:53 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38605:38
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:28 initrd05:38
pvocedrwxr-xr-x  10 root root   4096 2005-03-21 20:17 kernel05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root 204009 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.alias05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root     69 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.ccwmap05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root 259803 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.dep05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root    517 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.ieee1394map05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root   1141 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.inputmap05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root  16427 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.isapnpmap05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root 186558 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.pcimap05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root 108530 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.symbols05:38
pvoce-rw-r--r--   1 root root 262639 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.usbmap05:38
OddAbe19PASTE WHORE!!! OMG05:38
wiboHi, i have finished the installation of Hoary and when I have rebooted, i got Grub Error 18, what i do now?05:39
Fackamatopvoce: not /usr/src/linux/ , but /usr/src/linux .05:40
pvocelrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       27 2005-03-24 22:30 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/05:40
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   3 root root     4096 2005-03-23 21:53 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38605:40
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   2 root root     4096 2005-03-24 21:55 nv05:40
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   7 root root     4096 2005-03-21 17:27 rpm05:40
membreyawibo: do you have DMA enabled in your BIOS?05:40
pvocelrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       27 2005-03-24 22:30 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/05:40
pvocedrwxr-xr-x   3 root root     4096 2005-03-23 21:53 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38605:40
rob_Hmm...where can I get "libz"?05:40
rob_the configure cant find it05:41
KriegGoDsudo apt-get install libz05:41
wibomembreya: yes i think05:41
PacoBCNI've seen pages in the forum about grub's error 1805:41
Fackamatopvoce: ok, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 , then after the install, go to /usr/src and tar -xvjf linuxsource.bz205:41
rob_tried that, it cant find package libz05:42
wiboPacoBCN: i<m reading alot on that but it seems to be a fix in bios...05:42
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kkathmanevening all :)05:42
kkathmanquestion: How can I find out what the executable file is for an application and where its located. For example I want to find where the evolution mail executable is.05:43
eleetbrb, think i may have fixed it05:43
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pvoce.10 or .10.31?05:43
snowgodkkathman: whereis evolution05:44
kkathmanahhh thank you05:44
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smogger914Find out via "rpm -qa" if the following packages are installed:05:44
kkathmanand why might it be in more than one location?05:44
membreyawrong chan smogger914 :P05:44
smogger914wrong line05:44
smogger914i have a question05:44
smogger914how do i see if certain developement packages are installed05:45
trans_errsmogger914: you can always use synaptic05:45
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rob_click on it, if its green, its installed05:45
robl^hrmm.  I installed hoary yesterday, and there are over 290 new pkgs to be updated05:46
smogger914lets say i wanted to chech if bison-1.35-3mdk is installed05:46
smogger914what do i do05:46
pvocenopers...its downloading05:47
rob_use whereis, if its installed it will tell you a path05:47
rob_i'm sure there are better ways, but thats what I do05:47
smogger914max@ubuntu:/ $ whereis bison-1.35-3mdk05:48
smogger914what does that mean05:48
trans_errsmogger914: we are in ubuntu right?05:48
trans_errwhy are you using mdk packages then?05:49
rob_means that you dont have it installed05:49
ionrocksmogger914: I use locate myself05:49
smogger914so how do i install it05:49
smogger914i am trying to get wine05:49
trans_errsmogger914: run synaptic05:49
smogger914and do what05:49
trans_errsmogger914: it may make this a bit easier05:49
rob_if whereis finds something it will be like funstuff: /usr/share/funstuff05:49
robl^why are you installing mdk pkgs?  bison is on the ubuntu cd05:50
trans_errsmogger914: and dont install packages from other distros-- especially mandrake05:50
smogger914i could not i have no clue what it is05:50
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smogger914i am just trying to get wine to work and it says to check to see if those developement packages are there05:50
trans_errsmogger914: apt-get install wine05:51
rob_I'm fairly new to Linux, so pardon the horrible comparison.  But what is a good software download site like Download.com05:51
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trans_errrob_: apt-get install [package] 05:51
wiboomg , i tried with the 3 others mode: NORMAL i got Error 5, and AUTO & LARGE, i got ERROR 18, what can i do now^05:52
trans_errrob_: just fire up synaptic05:52
smogger914max@ubuntu:/ $ sudo apt-get install wine05:52
smogger914E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)05:52
smogger914E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?05:52
Walskirob_ im a fan of tucows ---- but most of the packages are in buntu anyhow05:52
robl^rob_: if you want to see what's new and what software does, freshmeat.net05:52
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trans_errsmogger914: sudo apt-get install wine05:52
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trans_errsmogger914: you might want to read up a bit before diving in05:52
smogger9146) robl^: why are you installing mdk pkgs?  bison is on the ubuntu cd its not there05:52
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ionrocksmogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool that uses apt05:52
Walskirobl^, has you covered  :)05:53
maxcheedid anyone notice that the hoary upgrade released a few hours ago allows gnome-menus to use the legacy format05:53
maxcheeie. /usr/share/gnome/apps05:53
smogger914what  ionrock: smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool that uses apt05:53
rob_How does apt-get work? It still amazes me.  Does it just have a list of databases it searches for the file you specify?05:53
kdpI'm trying to convert all my icons to the Human theme, but the upper left hand corner still displays an old icon05:53
kdp*of firefox05:53
rob_rofl, that quit message rocks, simpsons for life05:54
Walskimaxchee, thats good i hated how i couldnt add custom icons05:54
trans_errrob_: just a package list-- all the repositories are in /etc/apt/sources.list05:54
ionrocksmogger914: that would give you that error05:54
kdpi tried this05:54
smogger914what would05:54
kdpbut its not picking up the changes...any ideas?05:54
Walskimaxchee, when did you find it changed?05:54
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ionrocksmogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool and you try to do something like apt-get install some_program, you will get an error saying that some dpkg thing is locked05:55
rob_Hmm...what does: checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Check your installation and look into config.log05:55
rob_ mean exactly? Is "libz" a specific package?05:55
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robl^rob_: its complicated at first.  basically there is a list of pkgs and each pkg contains a list of what other prerequistes are needed to be instaled too.  apt-get figures it all out and does it "auto-magically"05:55
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wiboanyone cant help me^05:55
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maxcheeWalski: a few hours ago, with the newest hoary upgrade05:55
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JDahlrob_, what are you trying to compile?05:55
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maxcheeWalski: note that gnome still has no menu editor05:56
rob_auto-magically...thats a good way to put it =P05:56
rob_I'm trying to install Kmud05:56
kdptheres a menu editor in univer05:56
kdpits called........menueditor05:56
maxcheekdp: gnome 2.10 compatible?05:56
Walskimaxchee, wicked :)05:56
Walskicheers for the heads up05:56
maxcheeWalski: it also worked on yours?05:56
robl^gnome?!?!  I use GNUstep :)05:56
Walskihavnt upgraded as yeat05:57
kybalionHello. For some reason Ubuntu cannot get the dns for a webpage I'm trying to go to. I think it may be because the url has -q- in it.05:57
maxcheerobl^: how is gnustep?05:57
rob_whats gnustep?05:58
trans_errrob_: apt-get install kmud05:58
trans_errrob_: that might be easier05:58
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Walskirob_ : a different windows manager05:58
kkathmanone other, I'm sure very simple question, how would I go about making Opera my default browser, as opposed to what it is set to now, which is firefox?05:58
rob_tried that, cant find kmud with apt-get05:58
robl^GNUstep is a development toolkit / dekstop.. like KDEO or GNOME.. but based on the same API that Mac OS X uses for Cocoa05:59
kdpkkathman: system->preferences->preferred apps05:59
maxcheerobl^: I though gnustep (the framework) is still under dev05:59
JDahlrob_, when you see an error like you described above, you almost always need a xxx-dev package.. use "apt-cache search xxx-dev" to look it up06:00
kybalionIs the lack of anyone answering me mean I've failed to follow some question protocol?06:00
kkathmankdp thats in Gnome I suppose, and Im running XFCE :(06:00
robl^maxchee: yes.  so is Mac OS X. :)  but GNUstep is useable.  there are always new versions..  same with any other software06:00
maxcheerobl^: and are there any gnustep apps?06:00
rob_Hmm, when I did that, the computer thought for a second then just gave me another bash prompy06:00
maxcheerobl^: other than windowmaker (which is not even using the framework)06:01
robl^maxchee: a fair number.. and as of recently, more and more Mac OS X are being ported to GNUstep06:01
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kybalionHmm. No responce at all to question or meta-question... Am I invisible?06:02
robl^maxchee: irc clients, email, filemangers, editors, IM clients, games, etc.  Even OpenGroupware.org uses GNUstep06:02
maxcheerobl^: performance?06:03
maxcheerobl^: also does gnustep have a DE?06:03
robl^maxchee: performs as least as well KDE or GNOME.  DE?  Desktop Environment?  or Development?06:03
kybalionFascinating. Invisible it must be.06:04
wibothanks for the help guys :) ....06:04
maxcheerobl^: Desktop environment06:04
maxcheeLastly, how come firefox 1.0.2 doesn't coem with the ubuntu theme?06:04
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robl^maxchee: yes, to a degree.  Its pretty much the same as the old Openstep DE06:04
kkathmanmaxchee:  good question... the version that I have is very out of date06:04
kkathman0.93 or something06:05
mwylde_Is there any way to, with apt-get, get some important development packages? Without installing them individially?06:05
maxcheeanyone using hoary?06:05
mwylde_I am06:05
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robl^maxchee: hoary here. :)06:06
maxcheeand firefox 1.0.206:06
maxcheeie. just updated06:06
kdpi would think, since firefox has released quite a few security updates, that warty users would have it as well?06:06
robl^I just updated 300 pkgs06:07
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benh`i can't seem to import my my signing certificate into evolution 2.2 -- it shows up fine with gpg --list-keys though. anyone know what i might be doing wrong?06:07
maxcheekdp: except warty users never even got the firefox 1.0 update06:07
maxcheerobl^: using firefox?06:07
robl^maxchee: yeah06:07
maxcheedoes it have the winstripe, or the gnome theme?06:08
kkathmanI guess you could download it directly from the web site06:08
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kkathmanor try another deb archive06:08
maxcheekkathman: not really, the one on u.m.o is not the same as the ubuntu one06:08
robl^maxchee: looks to be "default firefox"06:09
maxcheekkathman: ubuntu's gnome theme is customized06:09
maxcheerobl^: ie. bright green back button of winstripe, right?06:09
kkathmanmaxchee yes06:09
mwylde_so with apt-get is there any automated way to get, for instance, dev tools (which seem to be sorely lacking from the vanilla Hoary install)?06:09
robl^maxchee: yeah.  Firefix *default) 2.006:09
robl^FireFox even06:10
maxcheekkathman: I am not too worried though: this is probably just a slip up on the dev's part06:10
robl^I like the default better. :)06:10
kakaltowhen ubuntu hoary comes to me on cd, will I be able to simply put the cd in the drive, and update my warty?06:10
maxcheerobl^: I think both are okay. Although the subdued colour of the gnome theme fits better in gnome06:11
rob_So what downloads do I need for X includes?06:11
kkathmanmaxchee:  thats why I chose Opera instead06:11
Fackamatokakalto: don't you have internet?06:11
benh`kakalto, check out apt-cdrom06:11
kkathmanI just dl'd the qt stuff first then did the 7.54 install06:11
maxcheekkathman: I thought the only merit of opera are gazillions of gadgets06:11
maxcheekkathman: and customizability06:12
robl^..and opera is not a MS product06:12
maxcheekkathman: well, that too. in fact, I think opera follows the kde UI tradition very well...06:12
kakaltofackamato, I'd rather not download a few hundread mb of updates06:13
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kakaltobenh`, thanks06:13
maxcheeie. cluttered, over built, too many settings (no intention to bash kde and opera devs, they are doing a grea job, but...)06:13
mwylde_Is there any automated way to get dev packages through apt-get?06:13
maxcheemwylde_: of what language06:14
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mwylde_Hoary doesn't even come with gcc06:14
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maxcheemwylde_: try the meta packages06:15
mwylde_maxchee: How?06:15
robl^maxchee: that's just it.. not everyone has the same goals or prefers to work in a certain style.  gnome vs kde vs cde vs gnustep, etc..  no one single *right* answer for everyone :)06:15
benh`mwylde_, just build-dep the source pkg06:15
smoucheI love the keyboard shortcuts in opera.  And the real full screen view.  and zooming with one key press.06:15
maxcheerobl^: which is why I leave the end of the sentence off.06:16
benh`though that will likely grab more than you are interested in...06:16
maxcheegnome vs. kde is old06:16
robl^motif vs openlook is older :)06:16
mwylde_which source package?06:16
mwylde_nick mwylde06:17
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benh`mwylde_, whatever you are interested in... build-dep grabs all packages needed to compile the package06:17
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benh`i can't seem to import my my signing certificate into evolution 2.2 -- it shows up fine with gpg --list-keys though. anyone know what i might be doing wrong?06:18
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nissmouche: hi06:19
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smouchehi nis06:20
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nissmouche: did it melt?06:21
smoucheSure did, nis.  Actually seemed springlike this afternoon06:21
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smoucheyou still in winter wonderland, nis?06:22
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nissmouche: looks like Jersey around here. all melted, covered with road rash. ;)06:24
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aoswould someone post their PATH env variable? I seem to have overwritten mine.06:25
factotumwhat version of XFCE does Hoary run?06:26
smouchefactotum, I think you can run XFCE406:26
smoucheit's in universe I believe06:27
factotumalright, was curious if it had 4.2 yet06:27
Liznis it works. :D06:27
smouchefactotum, don't think so06:27
factotumah well, such is life ;D06:27
nisLiz: that's great!06:27
nisaos: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games06:27
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wiboin my /etc/apt/sources.list i got a CDROM location, does a internet location exist? thanks06:28
niswibo: deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe06:29
syn-ackwibo: You tell me, do you have an interent connection?06:29
aosnis: thanks06:30
kdpooooooo the human theme is pretty06:30
nisaos: np06:30
robzulahcan someone do me a huge favour real quick?06:31
wibosyn-ack: euhh no ;)06:31
wibonis im with hoarty, not warty, does it affects?06:31
syn-ackreplace warty with hoary06:31
robzulahdo apt-get install xserver-common and tell me if you get a 404 error too? pretty please06:31
niswibo: just change 'warty' to 'hoary' and don't add or remove spaces between things.06:32
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nisrobzulah: depends on the mirror doesn't it?06:32
monkey89hey - in hoary, ive updated all software available, but my backup partition in /media/Backup is only shown on the desktop when I do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart06:32
wibonis: thanks, now apt-get updating :)06:33
nisrobzulah: rather .. a 404 error is an http error specific to a particular web server.06:33
wibobecause i got error 18 with grub06:33
niswibo: welcome.06:33
wiboso i had to install another one ...06:33
wiboit sucks :D06:33
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wibonow installing lilo :P06:34
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niswibo: i use lilo here on x86 and yaboot on ppc06:35
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kdphave an IRC question...i registered w/nickserve but w/the wrong email, and now when i use the set email command its not saving properly...06:36
wiboInstalling MBR on /dev/hda06:36
wiboERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable.06:36
wibowtf ? :S06:36
robzulahSo does that error mean that the server that particular file is on is temporarily down?06:37
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niskdp: found the way to make it nicer last night.  edit  '/usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml' to change the font size and password box dimensions and color.06:37
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rviraniWhere can I get documentation on Ubuntu as a server platform06:38
rviranithings like installing tripwire06:38
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rviraniautomatic updates06:38
rviranimaking sure that the kernel stays the same06:38
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wiboroot@livecd:/etc/apt # lilo06:39
virtualdhow can i get atomic updates? i want a nuclear reactor in my room06:39
wiboWarning: '/proc/partitions' does not exist, disk scan bypassed06:39
wiboWarning: partition type 0x0C on device 0x0301 is a dangerous place for06:39
wibo    a boot sector.  A DOS/Windows/OS2 system may be rendered unbootable.06:39
wibo  The backup copy of this boot sector should be retained.06:39
wiboI will assume that you know what you're doing and I will proceed.06:39
wiboFatal: Filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/hda106:39
wibowhats that06:39
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rviraniwibo: what it says06:39
rviraniyou just killed the fs06:39
wiboi paste06:39
rviranidont paste again06:39
wiboit means i dont have windows?06:40
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rviraniuse pastebin.ca if you want to paste06:40
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rviraniif you wrote lilo to the wrong partition06:40
wibowhich partition i had to write?06:40
rviraniomfg - Sounds like someone didnt back their stuff up06:40
rviraniwibo: depends on your system06:40
virtualdhow can i get ubuntu to build an nuclear reactor?06:41
wiborvirani: my windows partitions is not mounted so..06:41
rviraniwibo: so ...06:41
rviraniwibo: lilo can still do stuff to them06:41
rviranijust cuase they are not mounted does not mean they are not on the disk06:41
rviraniif you are dealing with partitions it doesnt matter if they are mounted or not06:41
sonocould anyone tell me how to route gstreamer output/GNOME default sound system to my USB Pro Audio Card?06:41
kdphas anyone ever killed x, logged in, and noticed the line "You have new mail."?06:42
rviraniln -s /dev/sound /dev/whateverthedeviceis06:42
niskdp: what's the question?06:42
rviraniif gstreamer... uses /dev/sound06:42
rviranikdp:  yes06:42
_chavokdp, so read your mail.06:42
wiborvirani: its just touch the mbr?.. can i only reboot with a win98 boot disk and do fdisk /mbr ?06:43
sonothx rvirani... i see06:43
kdpso i kill x, where i go to text based login, and after i log in, it shows "You have new mail."06:43
kdpwhats up w/that?06:43
rvirani/dev/hda1 is not the mbr06:43
kdpi dont have new mail06:43
kdpand i dont know y its trying to check...06:43
niskdp: same as if you su - myself in a terminal.06:43
niskdp: or at anyrate, 'ssh myself@localhost'06:44
wiborvirani: what does i have to do?06:44
_chavoit means you have a message in /var/mail06:44
niskdp: the system sent u mail.06:44
Dr_Willissome pacakage installers send root mail perhaps..06:45
_chavothe system sends messages to you for certain things06:45
Dr_Willisas a way of warning/notification.06:45
kdpso how might i get rid of it?06:45
_chavoif someone tries to use sudo and isn't in /etc/sudoers06:45
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_chavofor example06:45
kdpb/c obviously its not reaching me now06:45
rviraniwibo: dunno06:45
_chavokdp, fire up mutt to read it06:46
niskdp: mail06:46
rviraniwibo: you wrote to a partitgion not the mbr06:46
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kdpwoooooooo what was that06:47
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Dr_Willisget rid of the email? use the 'mail' command to read and delete it.06:48
_chavoor just rm /var/mail/root06:48
csjmdz: hi, I installed "xresprobe discover1 mdetect" but the xorg.conf still unchanged, is any clue to find what I lack of ?06:48
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monkey89does anyone know of a way to get inserted disks to show on hoary's desktop?06:50
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AmaranthGood news, I think I can get new menu category creation working in my editor. :)06:50
monkey89cds seem to work but my other hard drive partition doesn't... arr06:51
kdpexcellent (does the burns hand thing)06:51
Dr_Willismonkey89,  thats a GNOME option I do belive06:51
Lizdid you mount it monkey89 ?06:51
Dr_Willisif its mounted06:51
monkey89Liz, yes, its mounted in /media/Backup.06:51
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monkey89i put a CD in and the desktop shortcut appeared.  I have to restart dbus to get the disk to appear06:51
Dr_Willisor just make a shortcut from that dir to your home dir.06:52
Amaranthmonkey89: hit ctrl+r when you're on your desktop06:52
Lizautorun option for removable media is in system ->preferences06:52
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orkoI've created an iptables script (and loaded the rules) but aren't sure where to put it so it loads it at boot? (does an iptables-save do that for you?)06:52
Amaranthoh, nm06:52
Dr_Willisthen again. the gnome file manager has the bookmark stuff.. makes it easy to add bookmarks to palces06:52
monkey89there's something going on with gnome-volume-manager.  the CD appears, the disk doesnt, restarting hal brings the disk to appear06:52
Amaranthi thought you said the icon for the disc wasn't appearing06:52
orkoor do I need to save the script, and call it in network/interfaces when the network comes up/06:52
ionrockdoes anyone have any tips for getting beagle to work?06:53
Amaranthmonkey89: hoary?06:53
Amaranthionrock: good luck06:53
monkey89Amaranth, yeah, giving it a shot06:53
ionrockI keep getting free(): invalid pointer 0x820e000! on queries06:53
Amaranthmonkey89: heh06:53
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nisorko: /etc/init.d/ and link to it from /etc/rc2.d/06:53
monkey89Amaranth, you have any idea how to get it to come up on startup?06:53
Amaranthon startup?06:53
monkey89Amaranth, when I first login, the Backup drive is properly detected and put on the desktop - that would be nice06:54
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monkey89also appears in the file chooser when its recognized06:54
nisorko: but you should copy an exiting script from /etc/init.d/ and model yours on that one.06:54
Amaranthno clue06:54
monkey89maybe i should try upgrading to 2.6.11?  i can't imagine that would fix it06:54
Amaranthmy only expierence with g-v-m is with CDs06:54
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Amaranththat'd be a bad idea06:56
Amaranth2.6.11 isn't supported and is known to break things06:56
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monkey89all righyt06:56
monkey89i think im going to try rebooting with "noinotify" on the boot options, i think it might work06:57
crimsunmonkey89: are you using Hoary?06:57
crimsunmonkey89: and a Hoary-provided kernel?06:57
monkey89there's a bug about it with no solution, it seems06:57
crimsunmonkey89: then "noinotify" isn't needed06:57
monkey89then why doesn't gnome recognize the disk, crimsun? :)06:57
crimsunmonkey89: inotify is disabled by default; it has to be enabled explicitly06:58
kaouetesomeone knows how to have composite working with i810 driver ? here i activate it, and RENDER too, and if i look to Xorg.log, it says COMPOSITE is enabled (DAMAGE and RENDER too) but if i run xompmgr, it tells me "No composite extension" :/06:58
crimsunmonkey89: I just reattached; let me read scrollback06:58
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wiBohi, i got kernel panic now :S06:58
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monkey89crimsun, also, I beg to differ about the noinotify: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16972&highlight=noinotify06:59
wiBo[...]  Please append a correct "root=" boot option06:59
crimsunmonkey89: uname -r07:00
monkey89crimsun, 2.6.10-5-68607:00
crimsunmonkey89: those kernels have inotify disabled by default07:00
kaoueteand why enable inotify ?07:00
monkey89crimsun, i dont know though... the forum post says that that adding noinotify to the flags for 2.6.10-4 (which i had prior to upgrading) fixed it07:01
crimsunmonkey89: it fixes the issue with the _older_ epoch (2.6.10-3-foo)07:01
jordanauis Icewm install anything more than downloading it from synaptic?? I am looking for a howto and dont see one07:01
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crimsunmonkey89: the entire 2.6.10-5-foo epoch disables inotify by default07:02
monkey89crimsun, well ok... so what do you suggest I do so I don't have to restart dbus-1 to get my drive recognized?07:02
monkey89it seems this never works the first time I try :(07:02
crimsunmonkey89: without restarting dbus-1, does it work the second time you plug it in?07:02
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monkey89crimsun, its an internal HD07:03
monkey89crimsun, cd's show up without restarting dbus-1, its just the drive07:03
tomas-go figure, but i was asked by #gnu to come here to ask a question about GPL07:03
syn-ackhah, thats funny07:03
crimsunmonkey89: please paste /var/log/dmesg onto http://pastebin.ca07:04
crimsuntomas-: pertaining to...?07:04
monkey89crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8202 (and thanks for the help, btw)07:04
tomas-if i decide to have non-GPL commercial software utilize GPL software (such as a web application using some third-party perl libraries), and decide to bundle those libraries with the software purely for convenience upon the end-user (who might not know how to do installs of third-party software), and NOT because of intent to sell any part of the GPL software, would this be a problem?07:05
rviraniso anyways07:05
rviraniwhere do I get good admin docs for Ubuntu - from the sysadmin perspective07:05
syn-acktomas-: the techical answer is yes07:06
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syn-acktechnical, too07:06
bob2rvirani: it's the same as every other unix, more or less07:06
bob2buy a good Debian book.  I hear the o'reilly one is good.07:06
Lizis there a good debian book?07:07
bob2tomas-: get a lawyer07:07
tomas-syn-ack, why? i would make sure it's clear that it uses free third party software that is unmodified07:07
dmnhi, any opensource/free grammar tool?07:07
syn-acktomas-: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPL07:07
rviranibob2: alright and no it isnt 'the same' if it was I wouldnt be asking you :D07:07
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syn-acktomas-: for something like this, you may want to consider LGPL07:08
bob2rvirani: yes it is07:08
rviranibob2: nope, it aint, unix doesnt use apt07:08
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bob2rvirani: indeed07:08
crimsunmonkey89: so you have 2 HDs and 1 DVD+RW, correct?07:08
monkey89crimsun, correct.07:08
bob2and Debian doesn't use /etc/rc.local, but it's not a very big difference07:09
rviranithere are other things to for example startup / shutdown init scripts and the like07:09
crimsunmonkey89: they seem to be detected just fine.  What seems to be the issue?07:09
rviranibob2: you are correct but I would like to be well informed about the small differences07:09
bob2rvirani: getting a Debian book would be a good idea then.07:09
rviraniIm sure if I admined a debian box like I did say a slackware box...07:09
bob2rvirani: or "linux in a nutshell"07:09
rviranisome people might have a crap07:09
monkey89crimsun, I have hdb1 mounting in /media/Backup, but gnome-volume-manager isn't recognizing it (so it doesn't appear as a choice on the desktop or in the file manager) until i restart dbus-107:09
rviranibob2: got that one :D07:09
rviraniI'll take a look at the debian book07:10
rviranibtw is debian dead, there stable is stale?07:10
tomas-why is something "free" when it really isnt and requires a lawyer to understand? nothing bound by legal restriction is free in the sense of usage....im not EVER telling my customers that the third party libraries are mine and only available through me. im not even modifying them.07:10
bob2rvirani: no, of course not07:10
bob2tomas-: of course it's free07:10
bob2tomas-: it's only complicated because you're trying to skirt the GPL and make use of Free software from your proprietary atuff07:10
bob2if your stuff was under a GPL-compatible license, there would not be any issue at all07:11
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tomas-well honestly, the end-user would know about the third-party libraries and if they wanted ot get them themselves, whatever, but im just bundling them automatically for the novice07:11
bob2there you go07:11
crimsunmonkey89: try creating a /Backup and mounting it there instead of /media/Backup07:11
monkey89crimsun, k07:12
tomas-i dont see how that violates the GPL, in the situation where the end commercial non-GPL product is significantly different than the GPL product and is not a derivative at all, but simply dependent upon (so if they want to get a stock version, they can)07:12
syn-acktomas-: thats not the point. The point is: If Its Not Under A Free Licence, It CANNOT Be distrubuted with free software.07:12
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bob2syn-ack: er07:13
bob2syn-ack: no07:13
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syn-ackor link, something like that.07:13
bob2this is why I said to get a lawyer, so you don't get misled by confused people on IRC07:13
tomas-i dont see how that's free07:13
monkey89crimsun, i have to reboot, brb07:13
syn-ackI would have to re-read it, its been years07:14
bob2syn-ack: consider if it was a BSD-licensed library07:14
crimsuntomas-: your best bet really is to get a lawyer specialising in IP07:14
bob2blah IP07:14
syn-ackbob2: Well, thats GPL compliant.07:14
bob2syn-ack: indeed07:14
caffinatedtomas-: you can also check groklaw, iirc, they have a number of laymans-terms documents regarding computer and software related things07:15
bob2tomas-: or ask on the FSF licensing list07:15
bob2asking for help with skirting the GPL on a user IRC channel seems kinda silly07:15
claintthis is not very dandy. updating ubuntu took out all the other operating systems in my menu.lst, de-resolutionized my XF86Config. I am now fixing it. but someone not proficient would be at a loss. What kind of update is this? is there somewhere where we can issue bugs?07:15
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bob2tomas-: www.opensource.org probably also has lists for asking stuff like that07:15
Amaranthtomas-: Your non-GPL code requires GPL'd code to function?07:15
jeffschtomas: your answer may be here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html07:15
bob2claint: er, of course, the BTS: bugzilla.ubuntu.com07:16
bob2claint: note that hoary doesn't use XF86Config-4 at all07:16
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monkey89crimsun, now it doesn't even appear after a dbus restart.  I think gnome-volume-manager requires it to be in /media07:16
crimsunmonkey89: did you modify /etc/fstab correspondingly?07:17
monkey89crimsun, yes, and it was mounetd07:17
monkey89just not recognized by gnome07:17
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nix000is there a way in nautilus to define what is the search path and env var in effect ?07:17
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crimsunmonkey89: odd.07:18
claintXF86 doesn't matter. grub is more important. this is real bad. it should at least made copies of the last files of something, which i will ask, does it make backups of config files anywhere?07:18
tomas-honestly, im not modifying any GPL code, im not changing the license on the GPL code, im not saying the GPL code's functionality is mine. i have a drastically different commercial product that uses these underlying libraries, which is only sensible to not reinvent the wheel, but for the sake of the layman, i would want the option to bundle the third-party software automatically (yet disclosing that it's not mine, not modified, and07:18
tomas-if they want to get it from the original side, they can go ahead)07:18
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crimsunmonkey89: I'm stumped (but you're correct regarding /media/*)07:19
bob2tomas-: you do realise you can't link non-GPL-compatible code to GPL-license- code and distirbute the result, right?07:19
bob2claint: please file a bug then, I've not heard of that happening to anyone07:19
crimsunmonkey89: it should not matter at all where it's mounted07:19
monkey89crimsun, ok, thanks anyways for the help... im going to look into inotify, maybe it needs to be ienabled?07:19
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crimsunmonkey89: that's one thing to try, but be aware it's disabled for a reason ;)07:19
nix000tomas-, you just want an excuse to not play by the rules ... thas exactly what the GPL is supposed to stop you from.07:20
monkey89i feel like it could also be gamin/fam07:20
claintbob2: so a regular update keeps your grub menu list with the old entries (it is a kernel update) and keeps your XF86Config untouched?07:20
CoRzAhey guys07:20
monkey89im going to reinstall fam... meh07:20
bob2claint: my grub menu list has not been touched, and as I said, hoary does not use XFree8607:20
claintbob2: i am talking about warty though.07:21
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rviranibob2: the book is out of print07:21
bob2claint: grub and the X server got updated in warty?07:21
danielsclaint: it won't touch your XF86Config-4; you have to ask very, very, very, very nicely (and rather explicitly) for it to do that07:21
nis_corza: hi07:21
danielsbob2: no, kernel update; i assume he modified /boot/grub/menu.lst without paying attention to the comments that said 'do this if you want your changes to be preserved'07:22
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bob2n4cht: please turn that off07:22
tomas-i understand the GPL says this, but ultimately what is the purpose/benefit to the end-user? by making use of my commercial more difficult because they dont have the skill to get the third part software themselves?07:23
claintdaniels: no questions asked. i used that synaptic thing instead of apt-get and boom. menu.lst is gone, it made it real basic with only ubuntu stuff, and XF86C.... is gone as well. 640x res only in it.07:23
claintdaniels: it didn't ask a thing.07:23
bob2claint: did you ever modify your grub config manually?07:23
claintclaint: yes i did.07:23
bob2there you go07:23
bob2read the comments in that file again07:23
tomas-another similar thought. what about selling web SERVICES utilizing open source (GPL) software? such as if i had some portal site that used a gpl webmail client, would that be a problem? there's no distribution at all, its a web service07:23
claintbob2: i had also edited XF86Config.......07:24
bob2tomas-: the benefit is supposed to b ethat it encourages proprietary software vendors to Free their software so they can make use of cool GPL libraries07:24
akktomas-: One benefit to the end user is that if more people write GPL software, then every user gets to use it.07:24
claintbob2: previously07:24
bob2claint: haha07:24
n4chtbob2, no thanks.  unless there's some channel rule against it, which i'm fairly certain there isn't.  (yes, i'm aware you asked nicely... however, i just got home, i'm sick, i'm tired, and i'm feeling terribly bitchy.  many apologies for targetting you with my ire.)07:24
bob2n4cht: it's strongly discouraged because it's annoying and would become extremely annoying if everyone in here used it07:24
claintbob2: i don't understand. we are using linux and we are not supposed to edit the config files?07:24
akktomas-: Including the users who wrote the libraries, so part of their "payment" for that effort is that they get to use other people's free software.07:24
bob2claint: "we" are supposed to read comments before modifying generated files07:25
bob2tomas-: the webservice "loophole" is not forbidden, but apparently richard stallman is looking at it for the GPL, v307:25
claintbob2: ok, i musta missed those comments in the menu.lst. so you got me on that one.07:26
bob2claint: don't know about X, sorry07:26
StickyDanyone know how to make ubuntu work in a MS Virtual PC07:26
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n4chtStickyD, MS Virtual PC?07:26
StickyDit comes up but i think its showing to many colors07:27
tomas-well honestly, how are small-time people supposed to get by as self-employed sole proprietors without depending on large corporations, who are the only ones these days that have the manpower to make every last pit of code proprietary? isnt it the fascism of large corporations and their forcing of their software and eliminating all others that the GPL is against? how can a small time person compete with them when their software eith07:27
tomas-er requires a more advanced user to know how to install dependencies, or needs to reinvent the wheel07:27
bob2StickyD: VPC is buggy and requires you to run X in 16-bit mode, aiui07:27
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Tugghey hey hey07:28
tomas-bob2, so lets pretend apache was GPL....then every last ISP out there using Apache would need to pay royalties on top of their other horrible expenses just to provide web space to people?07:28
bob2tomas-: I don't think the GPL was designed to encourage proprietary software vendors, large or small07:28
sonorvirani, I tried to make my usb card the default gnome audio output, but your suggestion didn't worked.  I created the /dev/sound symlink to the card's location...07:28
bob2tomas-: er, of course not07:28
StickyDhow do i tell it to use 16bit at boot07:28
bob2tomas-: where did you get that idea from?  or was it some sort of lame troll?07:28
sonothe link worked, but nothing more...07:28
tomas-well, you mentioned it as a 'loophole'07:28
tomas-that is meaning to be 'patched'07:29
akkWhy would isps need to pay royalties to use apache?07:29
bob2tomas-: and then if companies CHOSE to use software licensed under that license, they would have to comply with the license07:29
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sonocrimsun... could you please tell us how to route gstreamer/gnome default sound output to a USB audio device?07:29
bob2tomas-: which might involve linking to a to a tarball of apache or something07:30
nis_the isp's aren't deriving new for-hire software from the apache base code.07:30
bob2tomas-: tell me, can I download and use your software for free?07:30
crimsunsono: err...do you have multiple sound cards?07:30
akkISPs which use linux aren't paying royalties for that ...07:30
Tuggcause SCO and Microsoft try to use software patents to f over the world07:30
tomas-bob2, well honestly, it's a web SERVICE, nothing to download or copy or distribute07:30
sonoyes crimsun, an internal one, and an M-Audio external card that do works with alsa and jack directly07:30
bob2tomas-: presumably there's some code that runs on the server?  can I have it?07:30
crimsunsono: I presume the internal one is card0, and the m-audio is card1?07:31
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crimsunsono: then simply tell alsa to prefer all other cards before the internal one.  Which driver does it use?07:31
tomas-bob2, you can have every last bit of GPL software, but im not going to spend the time to give it to you, i have a right to make a living and not work for free07:31
tomas-i also have a right to refuse to give my software away when it's purely a web service07:31
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tomas-even if it DOES use GPL software -- apache, perl, mysql, etc (yeah, not quite gpl, but still)07:32
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sonocrimsun: see friend... gnome is using the ESD driver07:32
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tomas-bob2, do you have a point?07:32
bob2tomas-: indeed07:32
crimsunsono: cat /proc/asound/modules, please.07:32
bob2tomas-: my point is that you can't whine that people won't let you make use of their software for free07:32
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Tuggwhat is this entire GPL discussion about07:32
Skaaacan someone help me with setting up samba properly?07:33
nix000tomas-, if it is a web service there is nothing that forces you to give the source since you are not shipping any binary/source to customers.07:33
tomas-bob2, who would do that? i can understand if the license says so07:33
sonocrimsun: oh I see... 0 snd_via82xx (yuck!!!) & 1 snd_usb_audio07:33
tomas-but i dont think gpl covers that07:33
claintbob2: allright. thanks for the info. sorry if i sounded pissed, which i was ;-p. if it was my first time editing a grub file i would have read that i guess.07:33
crimsunsono: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base07:33
crimsunsono: after you reboot, it will work07:34
bob2tomas-: if you link a proprietary hunk of code to a GPL library, you make a derivative, which is either a) undistributable or b) under the GPL.  at least according to the FSF's interpretation.07:34
nistomas- are you interested in navigating the language of the GPL .. or advocating for a change of such language?07:34
sonocriumsun: oh! I see...07:34
Skaaalinux newbie needs help setting up samba, please assist07:34
JimbobSkaaa: perhaps, what are you trying to do?07:34
Skaaai need to get it to network with my PC07:35
JimbobSkaaa: Okay, just simple file-sharing?07:35
Skaaajimbob:i have windows xp on one and warty on the other07:35
nix000bob2, he is allowed to make modifications and keep it as long as it is internal to his organisation tho.07:35
tomas-bob2, what about the idea that having software proprietary is so that a competitor cant buy your software and redistribute it under a new name for their own benefit but none of the work? what if they hack away at it enough that it looks different, but is 90% the same underlying code? wouldnt it make sense to then have some proprietary software?07:35
Skaaajimbob:pretty much, i need to transfer files for setting up a call of duty server07:35
sonoCrimsun: I will cat at alsa-base, do what you told me and reboot... thx once again Crimsun. I owe you some now... maybe one more today.07:35
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JimbobSkaaa: OK07:35
crimsunsono: np07:36
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tomas-i mean if a competitor does a good job at hacking the software, you might not EVER find out, NOR be able to prove that they stole it07:36
corzaHey guys, I have downloaded imwheel and unpacked it I'm wondering how to execute it could anyone help me?07:36
bob2nix000: of course07:36
tomas-this is all assuming everything needs to be GPL07:36
Tuggtomas-, that is against what free software is all about07:36
JimbobSkaaa: Are you familiar with /etc/samba/smb.conf?07:36
bob2tomas-: not in my opinion, but you're entitled to your own07:37
Skaaajimbob: to tell you the truth i know almost nothing about linux, i am very good with windows and undertand the BASICS of many languages07:37
Tuggif you use free software, then what ever changes you make to it you need to give back to the community07:37
Skaaabut no07:37
JimbobSkaaa: OK07:37
Skaaalinux i know nothing07:37
tomas-so then everything should be GPL and software companies will be going bankrupt because people will be freely stealing the software and making all sorts of senseless profits?07:37
JimbobSkaaa: /etc/samba/smb.conf is a plain-text file that stores the samba config07:38
nisTugg: if you even bother to publish at all. ;)07:38
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Tuggtomas-, I dont see red hat going out of business07:38
JimbobSkaaa: There *may* be a "Shares" configuration UI in the Administration/System/Whatever-it's-called menu07:38
Tuggyou can make plenty of money on "free" software07:38
nix000tomas-, just play by the rules . if you dont like them live them. dont bent the rules of the game. having said that the gpl still allows to keep internal mods to yourself as long as you are no "shipping" a product. so whats is the issue ?07:38
JimbobSkaaa: I'm on Hoary, which has it, but I don't know if it existed when Warty was released...07:39
bob2tomas-: er, no07:39
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bob2tomas-: all the stuff I do for work is under the GPL, and I get paid for it07:39
SuperL4gany of you guys run Ubuntu on PPC?07:39
bob2SuperL4g: yes07:39
Tuggtomas-, what is you gave someone the code you wrote, they improve on it then gave it back to you and then your profits then go up07:39
SuperL4gIs the fact that they don't wake from sleep right, a known issue?07:39
nisbob2: what kernel?07:39
bob2nis: hm?07:39
bob2nis: oh, on ppc?07:40
nix000bob2, i bet it took a while to get there no ?07:40
nisbob2: which ppc kernel u run?07:40
Skaaajimbob:hold on, im having a new problem, sigh07:40
bob2SuperL4g: depends what version of ubuntu and what hardware07:40
SuperL4gI have an iBook G3 900.  When I try to wake the machine from a sleep state, it doesn't come up07:40
bob2nis: oh,, iirc07:40
nisbob2: tnx.07:40
bob2nix000: it took a long while for the company to release gpl stuff?07:40
SuperL4gbob2: I tried the latest Hoary daily, and Kubuntu daily07:40
TuggSuSE developed ALSA... now all the linux distros use it but they are filing for bankrupsy07:40
fabbioneSuperL4g: you might want to disable dri from X07:40
bob2SuperL4g: known bug, 1940, iirc07:40
SuperL4gfabbione: tied to DRI, eh?07:41
fabbioneSuperL4g: apparently yes07:41
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bob2SuperL4g: hal is the other issue, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194007:41
nix000bob2, to get paid doing gpl stuff. i assume companies just opening their code is just a new and rare phenomenon. more likely to get paid after starting a project and getting noticed.07:41
JimbobSkaaa: The windows computer, you mean?07:42
JDahlanother bug in Hoary seems to be that you often lose control of the terminal after you resize it07:42
JimbobSkaaa: The linux one?07:42
bob2nix000: oh, no, this project has been GPL since we started it07:42
Skaaai am on the windows computer now07:42
bob2nix000: tho it is a branch of an existing GPL codebase07:42
geneo93nite all07:42
tomas-honestly, whether i sell software and have an install program that downloads some gpl libraries and utilizes them, or whether i distribute the software with the library already bundled (still doing an install, but ONLY avoiding an internet download by the user), there really is no genuine difference...but from what i understand the former is illegal, relating to GPL libraries and non-GPL commercial software07:42
tomas-that part i just dont get07:42
JimbobSkaaa: Put the warty CD in the linux machine, and boot to the "boot:" or "linux" prompt (whatever it's called)07:42
bob2tomas-: no, not illegal, but perhaps a breach of your license07:42
nix000bob2, and you got paid right from the begining ?07:42
JimbobSkaaa: I'll walk you through fixing your linux box07:43
Skaaathanks : )07:43
bob2tomas-: you need to go read the GPL FAQ, it sounds like you're just linking to GPL code from a GPL-incompatible program07:43
JimbobSkaaa: np07:43
Skaaalive cd right?07:43
bob2nix000: hm, we started on the project after I started working here, so yeah07:43
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JimbobSkaaa: How did you install warty on the machine (or did you?)07:43
Tuggtomas-, its not about what is legal, it is what is best for the community, if we all give back then we can all reap the benefits, the only losers are those in redmond07:43
nix000bob2, ok ... what is the project anyway ?07:44
Skaaain the mail my friend got a box of like 100 cds07:44
Skaaaof warty07:44
bob2nix000: bazaar.canonical.com07:44
Skaaaand gave me one cause i needed an OS for the comp i built out of broken computers07:44
Skaaai used an install cd07:44
Tuggif the big nix's like redhat, debian, suse never contributed back then we wouldnt be using ubuntu today07:44
JimbobSkaaa: OK, put the CD you used into the machine07:44
claintbob2: ok, now to come back to the XF86Config thingie. you have said that the hoary doesnt use it. seems like my warty's not using it as well. so where/how do you set your resolutions/X now?07:45
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Skaaaoh wait now, it didnt find the boot CD either, my mother board is having a problem im guessing07:45
tomas-yeah, its purely linking, but where do you draw the line? can it be distributed in the same binary .tgz file? can it reside in the same directory on the server? must it be different servers? no matter what, there is no MORE profit taken from the work that the original authors of the GPL software did, whether bundled in the same downloadable file versus installed from separate files, separate servers07:45
Skaaathis is a harware issue i think07:45
claintbob2: or could you give me a link.... about it.07:45
JimbobSkaaa: Hrm, sounds like.07:45
stephen_hi, how do i mount my usb hard drive?07:45
stephen_it's a USB HD07:45
Tuggtomas-, you dont have to bundle it you just have to offer it07:45
JimbobSkaaa: (of course, I've no idea :-))07:45
tomas-Tugg, yeah well then why not make it easy for all the software people at microsoft to start up their own small businesses using GPL?07:45
tomas-Tugg, huh?07:46
Tugglike if I sent you an email and said, can I get the sorce you use, you would be like sure here it is07:46
stephen_can someone help me?07:46
bob2claint: nevermind07:46
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tomas-Tugg- not the code i wrote, but the libraries i use, sure07:46
nix000bob2, i have an itch to scratch about code revisions based on relational databases. never had the time so far.07:46
Skaaai pulled an "open-the-box-and-unplug-everything-then-plug-it-bck-in"07:46
claintbob2: what?07:46
bob2tomas-: the line is drawn at whatever copyright law considers to be derivation07:46
stephen_Mouting a USB hard drive............. How do i do?07:46
Skaaaoit appears to be working.07:46
Skaaaand AHEM07:46
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Tuggtomas-, if they want to start dumping money into linux then that would be great, look at novell07:46
JimbobSkaaa: where "working" == "booting into linux"?07:46
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bob2tomas-: it's believed that linking crosses that line, but it hasn't yet gone to court, so no one really knows07:46
Tuggbut the GPL MAKES them give what the take back07:47
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bob2claint: nevermind.  hoary uses X.org, which uses a different config file.  warty uses xfree86, which uses the file you have.07:47
Tuggthat is why we have the GPL07:47
stephen__how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu?07:47
Skaaa"working" == does not display message "I hate you louie"07:47
Tuggso you cant take and not give07:47
nix000bob2, the closest i came across was from stellation an eclipse hosted project07:47
Skaaaok boot CD is working07:47
JimbobUh, OK07:47
stephen__how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu??07:47
claintbob2: hmmm, odd, because i am not getting the resolutions in the file.07:47
Skaaahard drive isnt07:47
stephen__how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu?!07:47
crimsunstephen__: pmount stuff07:47
crimsunstephen__: or just plug it in07:48
stephen__pmount what?07:48
Tuggthats why companies like netgear are in getting sued by the FSF, because they used GPL code and dont release the source07:48
bob2nix000: monotone uses sqlite07:48
crimsunstephen__: pmount /dev/sda1 stuff07:48
stephen__FUCKING WROTE THIS DOWN and GAY ASS Computer SAY it can go bye bye07:48
bob2stephen__: stop it07:48
JimbobSkaaa: OK, when the little "boot" prompt comes up on the CD, type expert07:48
stephen__do u kno whow to?07:48
tomas-this is honestly a nightmare, not that gpl is horrible, its just got some confusing logic to it that just doesnt make sense in some situations..sometimes reality can steer away from intentions and turn to hell07:48
stephen__it involed using the windows folder07:48
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Skaaathats going to happen in a second i think07:48
stephen__started with pmount07:49
crimsunstephen__: does it not appear when you simply plug it in?07:49
crimsunstephen__: then pmount /dev/sda5 stuff07:49
bob2tomas-: anyway, you're way better off asking the FSF or opensource.org.  good luck.07:49
stephen__Of CouRsE nOt it never Has only in XP07:49
stephen__i dont know that STUFF07:49
tomas-Tugg, so netgear releasing the source of the GPL stuff they have, or their OWN proprietary work?07:49
bob2stephen__: please chill out07:49
bob2claint: it turns out to not be as good an idea as you'd think07:49
Tuggtomas-, if you dont like the gpl then dont use the software, just like I dont like how microsoft puts limits on the use of there software, so I dont use it07:49
claintgeneral questions then: in warty, would anyone care to guess why i get different lowres that i have in my XF86Config file? I have updated ...07:49
JimbobSkaaa: Anyways, when it starts doing the "installer" stuff, hit CTRL+ALT+F2 -- it should say something like "Hit enter to start this console"07:50
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stephen__i had to make a windows folder07:50
claintbob2: using xorg you mean?07:50
stephen__i dont know07:50
Dr_Willisclaint,  sure its not looking at the xorg.conf file?07:50
bob2tomas-: they comply with the GPL by releasing any GPL software they modify or link with07:50
JimbobSkaaa: Hit enter07:50
Skaaai passed it before, now its doing expert07:50
Tuggthey have to release all gpl source code AND any modifications and changes made to that code07:50
bob2claint: bah, sorry, not you07:50
bob2stephen__: chill out, jeez07:50
JimbobSkaaa: Ok07:50
bob2stephen__: ranting and raving will encourage people to not bother trying to help you07:50
tomas-alright then, its been a nice, confusing talk07:50
JimbobSkaaa: Anyways, when you get to the little "busybox#" prompt on the F2 console, lemme know07:50
Tuggif you take program foo (that is gpl) and change the code in it, you have to give all that back07:50
stephen__It's late... had a few drinks07:50
claintDr_Willis: i think i got xfree.07:51
bob2nix000: turns out to not be as good an idea as you'd think07:51
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bob2stephen__: so, your question is "How do I mount a USB hard drive under warty?"?07:51
nix000bob2, what is the issue(s) ?07:51
Skaaai think im there....07:51
claintDr_Willis: it is warty.07:51
Tuggif you use program foo then write program bar to work along side it (with out changing foo) then you can keep bar but you have to release foo07:51
Skaaait says "Load SCSI Modules?"07:51
stephen__bob2 yeah07:51
Skaaaand then enter full file names, etc07:51
claintDr_Willis: since everyone has gone hoary it was probably a mistake installing warty.07:51
JimbobSkaaa: Ok, hit CTRL+ALT+F207:51
JimbobSkaaa: Is your HD an IDE or SCSI07:52
stephen__i was here before cuz of it and i wrote it down but it gone now. IT involded a folder i created called windows, sda5, ntfs07:52
nix000bob2, even rational clearcase uses a db i heard . and its a darn prove it works to me.07:52
bob2stephen__: does the disk have NTFS or HFS filesystems?07:52
Skaaanot sure07:52
Dr_Willisa usb drive should show up (check dmesg output) as a scsi device. ie : sdb, sdc, and so on..  you should be able to manually mount the thing wherever you want.   the auto-mounting serivices may be getting confused.07:52
bob2nix000: rational is kinda massively over-engineered, tho07:52
Skaaabut alt ctrl f2 did not give response07:52
bob2stephen__: so, that's a pain in the arse, and willo only be usable read-only in ubuntu07:52
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bob2stephen__: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt"07:52
JimbobOk, hit "enter" through the prompts up to the "partition the disk" one07:52
stephen__..? folder cannot be displayed07:53
stephen__the fook07:53
Jimbob(Don't hit enter on the "partitioning" prompts, that'll overwrite the installation you've already got)07:53
nix000bob2, expensive as well ... we had sales guys doing a demo for us .. and i was sold.07:53
Skaaait asked me a lot of floppy disk stuff07:53
stephen__no it didn't work07:53
Skaaai said no for all07:53
stephen__sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt no07:53
JimbobThat's fine07:53
JimbobSkaaa: Make sure you do "load the IDE modules"07:54
stephen__it says already mounted07:54
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claintDr_Willis: i am also using the nvidia drivers as well.07:54
Skaaado i want to configure my console keyboard?07:54
bob2stephen__: is it already mounted?07:54
Dr_Willistry the 'mount' command and see where its mounted to..07:54
nix000bob2, you could script your way through evrything07:54
stephen__this is really screwed07:54
stephen__now it's mounted in the mnt folder?07:54
bob2nix000: sure, you can script baz/tla/monotone, too07:54
stephen__he eh he wow07:54
JimbobSkaaa: Sure07:54
bob2stephen__: yes07:54
stephen__thank u07:54
stephen__how i create a direct shortcut to the foldeR?07:54
stephen__u know07:54
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bob2nix000: using a relational DB doesn't buy you much, tho07:54
bob2nix000: it seems peple mostly just like it because they already have DB backup stuff going on and want to make use of it07:55
nix000bob2, can you turn off changes mades by so and so between these dates ?07:55
stephen__how do i make it so i dont have to be root to look at the foldeR?07:55
claintstephen__: ln -s /mnt/wherever /myshortcut07:55
Skaaai bet the problems were from the simple fact that i switched the mouse from a USB to that other kind07:55
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Skaaacause its just reconfiguring everything07:55
claintstephen__: when you mount, mount with -o user,umask=000 option07:55
bob2nix000: sure07:55
corzahey guys i'm having a problem with my intellimouse explorer i changed some settings in the .conf file and my wheel goes back and forward and my back and forward buttons scroll.. how can i fix that?07:56
bob2nix000: unmerge their changes07:56
stephen__so? what do i typE?07:56
bob2stephen__: chill07:56
JimbobSkaaa: Umm, that should've have broken the HDD, that's a totally different part of Linux.07:56
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claintstephen__: what are you typing now?07:56
bob2stephen__: sudo mount -o remount,umask=002 /mnt07:56
Tugganyone notice no one ever talks in the kubuntu channel?07:56
Skaaai know, but its not like it said "Hard Drive Error" it said no OS found on any device07:56
Dr_WillisTugg,  yea i noticed that also..07:56
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corzacould someone help me out with my mouse?07:56
stephen__i cant few07:56
nix000bob2, its not merging . its filtering changes so that you only checkout what you need.07:56
Skaaawell, either way, its now in the desktop07:57
sonocrimsun: hi again. I did what you told me. Was the usb card which produced the GDM drums... but...07:57
claintDr_Willis: you got any ideas on my problem?07:57
JimbobSkaaa: Ok07:57
nix000bob2, and it canbe based on dates and users and whatnot07:57
bob2nix000: why would you want to exlcude someone's changes?07:57
bob2nix000: ie, why wouldn't you need them?07:57
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stephen__ sudo mount -o remount,umask=002 /mnt still can't see my hd.07:57
JimbobSkaaa: Open a terminal window (Applications->System Tools->Terminal)07:57
stephen__i know07:57
stephen__i turn off hard drive07:57
Dr_Willisclaint,  not really.. ive noticed that i seem to have the same issue.. not sure whats going on...07:58
sono...thereafter, when showing the splash screen, Sound went corrupted, and every single sound during the gnome session was corrupted as well.07:58
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nix000bob2, there is always was one guy you want to avoid  :-)07:58
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JimbobSkaaa: When it's up, type "cd /dev && ls" (no quotes)07:58
crimsunsono: describe "corrupt"07:58
claintDr_Willis: but you got xorg/hoary right?07:58
stephen__how i mount agian07:58
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DragoraNwhat channel shall i visit about wireless things?07:58
claintDragoraN: #wireless07:58
bob2nix000: in every other system I know of, you'd just not merge changes from them07:58
bob2stephen__: lord07:59
Dr_Willisclaint,  i got soo many different machines its scary.. Im useing xorg on that one I do belive. :P07:59
bob2stephen__: I already told you, scroll up07:59
stephen__i know07:59
stephen__it mounted07:59
stephen__but i can't access07:59
JimbobSkaaa: Is there an "ide" entry, or an "hda" entry?07:59
stephen__damn it07:59
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sonocrimsun: only noise is coming out...07:59
stephen__how do u log in as root ?07:59
sonocrimsun: noise everytime a sound is produced07:59
Liberal_Tugboatanyone else here use both ubuntu and kubuntu?07:59
Dr_Willisclaint,  actually now that you mention it.. its the SUSE box im haveing the issue with.. could be theres more then 1 config  that X is useing.. or it may be skipping that part of the config file.07:59
stephen__how do u log in as root ?08:00
bob2stephen__: blah08:00
Skaaait said bash: 1s: command not found08:00
bob2stop talking, jesus08:00
nix000bob2, sometimes the changes are already merged in a tree. and you want to make sure who is the cultprit today. avoiding their changes is a good thing.08:00
JimbobSkaaa: Sorry, "LS" (lowercase)08:00
bob2stephen__: sudo mount -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt08:00
claintDr_Willis: that is not so good.08:00
bob2stephen__: please stop being a dick to people helping you08:00
sonocrimsun: very peculiar noise, as if the bitrate were wrongly interpreted by the card...08:00
Skaaaoh my bad man08:00
bob2nix000: I don't see how that could work08:00
JimbobSkaaa: "ls" == "list"08:00
bob2nix000: since later changes by other people could depend on it08:00
stephen__sudo mount -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt08:00
stephen__mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist08:00
claintDr_Willis: what is the xorg config file in ubuntu? xorg.conf?08:00
JimbobSkaaa: It's like "dir /w" in DOS08:00
Jimbob(or the Win** cmd prompt)08:01
Liberal_Tugboatclaint, yes08:01
Skaaaok THAT worked08:01
Dr_Willisclaint,  yes.08:01
syn-ackas a matter of fact, dir is a symlink to ls08:01
bob2stephen__: sdb5, perhaps08:01
Dr_Willisclaint,  actually it looks for several but i belive thats the first it looks for.08:01
Skaaalots of yellow on black text as well as some cyan on white08:01
JimbobSkaaa: Look for an item called "ide" or "hda"08:01
sonocrimsun: could it be a gconf2 related issue? as the sound works perfectly at gdm?08:01
JimbobSkaaa: You can search that output by doing "ls | grep (hda.*|ide)"08:02
stephen__What Could I Try08:02
dmnanybody know which software can check grammar? i've aspell to check spelling.08:02
Jimboberm, sorry, ""ls | grep '(hda.*|ide)'"08:02
Skaaahave a hda08:02
JimbobOk, groovy08:02
Skaaano ide though, just ida08:02
bob2stephen__: Not Using Camel Case08:02
claintDr_Willis: ok, ill be back, will try a few things. thanks.08:02
nix000bob2, in terms of performance even. did you do any kind of comparison between monotone and arch ?08:02
stephen__i dont know what that is08:03
Jimbobhda == the physical drive that C is on08:03
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crimsunsono: doubt it has anything to do with gconf08:03
stephen__using ubuntu08:03
bob2stephen__: look in /var/log/messages and see what the device is called08:03
Jimboberm, "C:\"08:03
JimbobThat is08:03
crimsunsono: pgrep esd08:03
Jimbob(in windows-eese :-))08:03
Skaaai got that though08:03
sonocrimsun: i see08:03
Skaaaso what now?08:03
stephen__where i post?08:03
bob2stephen__: post what? read the file yourself.08:03
sonocrimsun: 968408:03
arnaudis there a way to switch between ati's opengl lib and xorg's gl libs ? (like gentoo's opengl-update)08:03
stephen__i dont understand08:03
JimbobSkaaa: Does it have stuff like hda1, hda2, hda3, etc.? (lemme know how high the numbers go)08:04
bob2arnaud: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto08:04
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stephen__and it dont tell me08:04
arnaudbob2, thanks08:04
bob2stephen__: you don't know what "read that file" means?08:04
stephen__i says localhost kernal08:04
stephen__and  bunch of numbers08:04
crimsunsono: ok, please pkill esd08:04
bob2nevermind then08:04
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bob2nix000: I haven't, but walter landry did...one sec08:04
Skaaagoes to hda908:04
sonodone crimsun.08:04
crimsunsono: got a mp3/ogg vorbis/wav file handy?08:04
Skaaabut has like a bunch of hdb's08:05
stephen__there a way to retrieve deleted files on linux?08:05
Skaaaand even hdc's and up through hdf's08:05
crimsunsono: ok, for an mp3, you'd do: mpg123 -s foo.mp3 | aplay -Dplughw:0,0 -f cd -08:05
JimbobSkaaa: Ok08:05
sonoready, here I have an OGG crimsun.08:05
bob2stephen__: depends on the filesystem type08:05
sonook, an mp3 crimsun. hold a sec.08:06
JimbobSkaaa: The prompt, does it have a "#" or a "$" char on it?08:06
bob2stephen__: then no08:06
crimsunsono: ogg123 -dwav -f- -- foo.ogg | aplay -Dplug:hw0,0 -f cd -08:06
bob2stephen__: presumably windows has tools for that08:06
JimbobOk, type "sudo -s"08:06
JimbobWhen it prompts you for the password, try hitting enter08:06
bob2stephen__: if you want to undelete something from an NTFS disk, use windows08:06
crimsunsono: ack, that'd be -Dplughw:0,008:06
stephen__i can't remember08:06
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Skaaanow it has a #08:06
stephen__I dont want to undelete08:06
stephen__I want to access it08:06
Skaaano password asked08:07
bob2stephen__: lord08:07
bob2stephen__: you seem very confused08:07
stephen__but i can't because of the gay root thing08:07
bob2god, stop it08:07
stephen__stop what08:07
bob2being so damn annoying08:07
bob2if you're drunk, go away and come back tommorow08:07
arnaudbob2,  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, that's not what I wanted ... I know how to install these drivers08:07
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corzahey guys could anyone help me out with my mouse???08:07
stephen__i am not drunk08:07
bob2if you're just like this all the time, then me08:07
KOXAKIcan anybody help me?08:08
JimbobSkaaa: Ok, you're now root, type "mkdir /media/hda1 /media/hda2 /media/hda3 /media/hda4"08:08
arnaudbob2, I need a way to switch from fglrx to oss drivers without the need to uninstall fglrx drivers08:08
corzai'm having trouble with my intellimouse explorer mouse could anyone help me?08:08
stephen__Yo, how u login as root08:08
stephen__username is root? admin? administartor?08:08
Jimbobstephen__: "sudo -s"08:08
corzastephen__ : sudo -s08:08
bob2stephen__: good god08:08
stephen__what that do08:09
stephen__sudo -s?08:09
Skaaajimbob, not past 4?08:09
corzait logs u in as root08:09
bob2stephen__: man sudo08:09
Liberal_Tugboatarnaud, fglrx are video... oss are sound08:09
JimbobSkaaa: May not have to08:09
corzaso that you can piss around with ur machine stephen08:09
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, so, oss video drivers like open source software vide drivers08:09
JimbobSkaaa: What I'm trying to do is find where your "/boot" is08:09
stephen__so i type in sudo -s in terminal as root? or not as root?08:09
Liberal_Tugboatthat is the DRI driver08:10
corzaumm taht changes u to root stephen08:10
arnaudok, but the free one08:10
JimbobSkaaa: Typically on a fresh install it'll be in /dev/hda1 (the first partition on the first drive)08:10
Skaaadidnt really do anything08:10
corzait changes from normal user to root08:10
Liberal_Tugboatwhy do you need to switch?08:10
Skaaaread the drive for a while, i could tell by the sound it made, then nothing happened08:10
stephen__o u mean in terminal SU root thingy?08:10
corzacould anyone help me out with my mouse?08:10
stephen__ya i can access my hd from terminal08:10
JimbobSkaaa: Yeah, in linux shells, silence == success08:10
corzastephan__: yes08:10
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, because some things work with fglrx driver, and some only with kernel's dri08:10
crimsunsono: do either/both work?08:10
stephen__i want to access it literally08:10
stephen__so i can CLICK my Movies08:11
Skaaaim used to pretty much the opposite08:11
JimbobSkaaa: Type "ls /media" to see that it created a bunch of directories08:11
corzastephen__: type "sudo -s" it'll ask u for a password when u type it in it'll get u to root08:11
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, privateer remake for exmple won't work with fglrx :(08:11
Skaaathank god you are helping me08:11
stephen__I know08:11
corzacould anyone help me with my mouse?08:11
Liberal_Tugboatyou could just have to xorg.conf files and switch those08:11
stephen__then what?08:11
stephen__i been in root for long time08:11
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corzadunno i dont even know what ur talkin bout lol i'm just helping u08:11
stephen__can i change my folder settings08:11
stephen__so i can be a ADMIN / ROOT so i dont gotta be in console and type sudo -s?08:12
JimbobSkaaa: np08:12
Skaaawhen i typed that, it shows hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 in a bluish color08:12
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, the problem is that special libraries are needed for ati's opengl and those libs don't work with DRI driver08:12
Liberal_Tugboatone xorg.conf could be for the DRI, the other for glrx08:12
JimbobYeah, the blue is the "folder" color08:12
stephen__this is beyond bull sit08:12
Liberal_Tugboatwell they all load at boot08:12
stephen__i go to cd /mnt in terminal works but i cant access folder because i have to many spaces08:12
JimbobSkaaa: Ok, type "mount"08:12
sonocrimsun: ok.  it is working pretty good08:12
corzacould someone help me out with my mosue??08:12
stephen__i try to access it my going my computer doesn't work08:12
corzamouse even08:13
stephen__how do i fix08:13
sonocrimsun: I mean, with the ogg streaming directly08:13
Liberal_Tugboatif you switch the conf files then restart x it should work08:13
Skaaa(not silence)08:13
JimbobIt should have a bunch of lines like "/dev/hda3 on / type xfs (rw)"08:13
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crimsunsono: ok, so the card is fine, and alsa's fine, so something in esd is causing issues08:13
stephen__here u want this?08:13
Skaaaproc on /proc type proc (rw)08:13
sonoi see08:13
stephen__i just playing around and type in mount and i get this08:13
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, fglrx sets symlink from /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa08:13
stephen__/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)08:13
stephen__proc on /proc type proc (rw)08:13
stephen__sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)08:13
stephen__devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)08:13
stephen__tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)08:13
stephen__usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)08:13
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stephen__/dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=stephen)08:13
stephen__/dev/sda5 on /mnt type ntfs (rw,umask=002)08:13
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, and that's why it doesn't work08:13
stephen__wtf that is08:13
stephen__FUCK U BILL GATES!08:14
Skaaano it has a few lines like proc on /proc type proc (rw)08:14
Jimbobstephen__: Please, dude, restrain yourself.08:14
crimsunsono: ok, try starting esd manually, and in another Terminal, execute: mpg123 -o esd foo.mp308:14
bob2Skaaa: please stop it08:14
Liberal_Tugboatwell then, you could write a shell script that changes it08:14
Liberal_Tugboatthen run the shell script08:14
stephen__U got any ideas Jimbob?08:14
JimbobSkaaa: (he didn't mean you, he meant stephen__)08:14
Skaaawhat did i do bob?08:14
bob2nix000: sorry, can't find the benchmarks08:14
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, gentoo has an opengl-update that changes the target of the symlinks ... I wanted to know if something like that existed for debian, ubuntu08:14
bob2Skaaa: sorry, didn't mean you08:14
stephen__o ya08:14
stephen__The guy here08:14
stephen__pbrode or something08:14
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, sure, do you use dri drivers ?08:14
nix000bob2, what was the summary ?08:15
stephen__and mnt point was /windows08:15
stephen__WHAT is that?08:15
Liberal_Tugboatyeah dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg08:15
Skaaajimbob: no it didnt have what you said, it had proc on /proc type proc (rw)08:15
sonook crimsun, here I go08:15
stephen__and it had Ntfsand stubb08:15
Liberal_Tugboatyeah i use dri08:15
bob2stephen__: dude, keep yourself under control or go08:15
JimbobSkaaa: Ok, that's it?08:15
stephen__i do nothing08:15
Skaaasysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)08:15
bob2stephen__: you're being obnoxious and annoying08:15
stephen__fuck u08:15
stephen__dam it08:15
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stephen__bad computer08:15
stephen__feel sorry for myself08:15
stephen__dunno y08:15
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, so could you send me a ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 please08:15
stephen__i know08:15
stephen__can i try a different mount point?08:16
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stephen__like /windows08:16
bob2stephen__: that won't help08:16
stephen__nix000 go to heaven08:16
__mwyldeHow would one mount an NTFS filesystem as writable?08:16
bob2__mwylde: you can't08:16
stephen__it might08:16
stephen__because BOB208:16
nix000stephen__, what you want to do man ?08:16
bob2__mwylde: unless you use captive-ntfs08:16
__mwyldewhy not?08:16
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stephen__My FRAKEN hard drive to mount08:16
Skaaathen /sys on /sys type sysfs08:16
Rattboibob2: what about captive-ntfs?08:16
JimbobSkaaa: Well, the important thing is something like "/dev/blahN on / type..."08:16
Rattboioh, ok08:16
stephen__and i can access it by going computer08:16
stephen__file system08:16
bob2__mwylde: because MS doesn't document NTFS, thus linux does not support writing to it08:16
nix000stephen__, i am not an expert but i'll see what i can do here.08:16
Skaaanot there08:16
bob2stephen__: please just stop talking08:16
JimbobSkaaa: The "on /" is the important bit08:16
bob2you're being very very annoying08:17
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, and ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.108:17
JimbobSkaaa: Ok, that's fine08:17
bob2stephen__: sudo umount /mnt08:17
bob2stephen__: have you done that yet?08:17
JimbobSkaaa: Now type "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1"08:17
stephen__now what08:17
stephen__Hd is umounted08:17
bob2stephen__: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt08:17
bob2stephen__: stop it08:17
bob2stephen__: just shut up for 5 seconds08:17
JimbobSkaaa: That says "make the stuff on partition1 of first hard drive available in the /mnt/hda1 directory"08:18
stephen__does not exsit08:18
bob2stephen__: then find out where your drive is08:18
stephen__sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt08:18
stephen__mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist08:18
Skaaamount point does not exist08:18
bob2stephen__: you will need to read /var/log/messages all by yourself08:18
JimbobOh, sorry, my bad08:18
stephen__bah wtf is that?08:18
bob2stephen__: turning it off and on was stupif, you shouldn't have done that08:18
JimbobNot "/mnt/hda1"08:18
bob2stephen__: because you turned it off and on08:18
stephen__i restarted08:18
JimbobSkaaa: The up-arrow will allow you to recall previously typed commands, BTW08:18
bob2stephen__: no go away and read that file08:19
stephen__bob2 the 1 the other guy told me wasn't sudo08:19
JimbobSkaaa: (time-saver not having to retype it all)08:19
bob2stephen__: or put it online, your choice08:19
stephen__it was a P08:19
bob2stephen__: that's nice08:19
syn-ackstephen__: Linux is not windows, you CANT just shut it off and expect things to work right08:19
bob2stephen__: dude, stop it08:19
stephen__WHERE To post08:19
stephen__where do i post?08:19
bob2ok, I'm not going to bother trying anymore, have fun08:19
Skaaaso its the same command with the one part changed?08:19
Liberal_Tugboatarnaud, the first doesnt exist08:19
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Liberal_Tugboatthe second is this lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-03-17 18:46 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.208:19
JimbobSkaaa: Yeah08:20
syn-ackbob2: is he reall that clueless? How long have you been trying with this thing?08:20
stephen__where do i post?08:20
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bob2stephen__: > half an hour08:20
Skaaait says it is not a valid block device08:20
arnaudok and  libGL.so.1.2 plz08:20
Liberal_Tugboatwait never mind08:20
syn-ackbob2: I feel you pain man08:20
JimbobSkaaa: Whoa08:20
stephen__should i post here?08:20
bob2syn-ack: I don't care if he/she is clueless, it's the obnoxiousness that annoys me08:20
CoRzAhey guys who can help me out with my mouse??08:20
nix000bob2, this is sooo funny !08:20
stephen__syn-ack do u know?08:20
Liberal_Tugboatthe first is this : lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-03-17 18:46 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.208:20
bob2nix000: hm?08:20
Liberal_TugboatI made a typo the first time08:20
stephen__nix000 do u know?08:20
stephen__good job!08:20
nix000bob2, your dialog08:20
bob2nix000: oh08:21
syn-ackstephen__: Of course I know.08:21
stephen__Tell mE please08:21
bob2stephen__: #flood08:21
Liberal_Tugboatso they both point to libGL.so.1.208:21
bob2(and bah)08:21
JimbobSkaaa: Try "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hda1"08:21
nix000stephen__, i have no idea what you want to do.08:21
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syn-ackstephen__: IF you stop being stupid and PAY ATTENTION we can and will help you08:21
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crimsunsono: any luck?08:22
Skaaasilence (worked?)08:22
stephen__i anit being stupid08:22
stephen__i becoming stuid..08:22
JimbobSkaaa: Likely, yes08:22
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, yes, and where does libGL.so.1.2 points ?08:22
syn-ackstephen__: The best thing you can do is be quiet and listen and do ONLY as you are told, things will he a lot more smooth.08:22
stephen__No more LECTURE :)08:22
EricNeonare you here?08:23
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syn-ackstephen__: Just do as you are asked then. :)08:23
JimbobIf you type plain "mount" again, it should have a "/dev/hdb1 on /media/hda1 type ext3 (rw)"08:23
jdubyo Jimbob08:23
EricNeonI requisition a mailinglist for UbuntuChineseTeam.08:23
JimbobHey jdub08:23
HippoNo one asking me anything08:23
jdubEricNeon: yes, it will be done this weekend08:23
EricNeonok thank08:23
CoRzAI was wondering if anyone could help me out with my mouse??08:23
JimbobSkaaa: groovy08:23
HippoSo what I do?08:24
JimbobSkaaa: type "ls /media/hda1"08:24
syn-acknow Hippo as I understand ot, you are trying mount your Hard Disc, correct?08:24
HippoMy USB HD 80GB08:24
JimbobSkaaa: Lemme know if there's a blue "boot" listed there08:24
Liberal_Tugboat-rw-r--r--  1 root root 413376 2005-03-17 00:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.208:24
Liberal_Tugboatthats the path08:24
HippoIt is NTFS08:24
syn-ackHippo: ok08:24
bob2syn-ack: the problem is actually finding out what device it is from Hippo08:24
EricNeonwe are all waiting for this message08:24
syn-ackbob2: aha08:24
Hippoit was SDA508:24
bob2since he/she seems incapable of either reading the log or pasting it somehwere08:24
syn-ackhas he checked dmesg?08:25
bob2and now it's not, because you used the power switch instead of listening to me08:25
Hippoi paste it08:25
bob2no, you didn't08:25
Hippothat is08:25
bob2you pasted a useless section from the begginning of the file08:25
bob2no, it's not08:25
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, oh shit ! it has been delete here :(08:25
JimbobSkaaa: Is the CD drive and the hard drive on this computer connected to the same cable?08:25
bob2and stop hitting enter after every word08:25
bob2Hippo: paste the END of the output08:25
arnaudLiberal_Tugboat, thanks bye !08:25
JimbobSkaaa: physically, that is08:25
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Hippothat is all that is there?08:25
syn-ackHippo: do this. dmesg | grep SDA08:25
Skaaawhat do you mean, the same cable?08:25
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sonocrimsun: hmmm... the mpg123 -o esd /home/sono/rec/mp3/02.mp3 reports esd as an unknown argument...08:25
jeffrhey, is there a .deb for the latest version of firefox08:26
bob2syn-ack: it won't be sda (and SDA will never match)08:26
syn-ackHippo: do that with sudo08:26
Hipposudo  dmesg | grep SDA?08:26
Skaaagoing to the motherboard? no there is a cable for hdds and a cable for cd's08:26
syn-ackbob2: true08:26
bob2Hippo: blah08:26
bob2Hippo: paste the last 12 lines from "dmesg" to #flood08:26
syn-ackHippo: disreguard that.08:26
bob2Hippo: and do not speak again until you have done so08:26
crimsunsono: hmm, what about ogg123 foo.ogg ?08:26
Hippowhat is file called?08:26
Hippoit is in var/log?08:26
Liberal_TugboatI figured out the best use for the windows key on my keyboard... open a linux terminal!!08:26
bob2Hippo: "dmesg" is a command08:26
JimbobSkaaa: Does the HDD cable have two plugs on it?08:26
bob2KOXAKI: do not /msg people08:26
Liberal_Tugboata true "window" into you OS08:27
bob2KOXAKI: you haven't asked a question yet08:27
Hippoi type in dmes and get big line08:27
jeffrcan someone help08:27
bob2KOXAKI: you are already bugging me08:27
Hippowhat is this?08:27
hou5ton_None of these are listed in synaptic .. but I need one of them to make the sounds work in xchat:   "aplay", "esdplay", "soxplay", "artsplay"08:27
bob2KOXAKI: if you have a question, ask it in here08:27
hou5ton_what do I do?08:27
sonocrimsun: working! hmmm08:27
HippoPost dmesg on the flood08:27
jeffris there a .deb for firefox 1.0208:27
bob2hou5ton_: they are all in Ubuntu08:27
sonocrimsun: working with the esd manual start08:27
syn-ackbob2: I would have him tail it.08:27
JimbobSkaaa: Which one is the HDD plugged into, the middle or the end?08:27
KOXAKIHow to burn an Ubuntu Linux Live cd to a cd and make it bootable08:27
jdubjeffr: hoary already has firefox 1.0.208:28
bob2Hippo: run "dmesg | tail -n12" and paste everything it prints out to #flood08:28
bob2KOXAKI: on windows?08:28
Liberal_TugboatKOXAKI, just burn an ISO08:28
bob2syn-ack: good idea, thanks08:28
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KOXAKIIm using windows xp08:28
Liberal_Tugboatit is already bootable08:28
Hipposb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 308:28
JimbobSkaaa: Ahh, that *may* be the problem08:28
Hippothat is all08:28
Liberal_Tugboatyou got NERO?08:28
Hipposb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 308:28
jeffrwhat about for debian>?08:28
hou5ton_bob2:  then my xchat sounds should be working08:28
jdubjeffr: i have no idea08:28
crimsunsono: under Preferences>Sound, is "Enable sound server startup" selected?08:28
Liberal_Tugboatin options select burn ISO then select the ISO you want to burn08:28
bob2hou5ton_: but not installed by default08:28
HippoHow simple only couple words08:29
Skaaanote that the current configuration of the harware in the box hasnt changed08:29
bob2Hippo: dude, stop it08:29
sonoyep crimsun08:29
bob2Hippo: fine, do "tail -n12 /var/log/messages" to #flood08:29
crimsunsono: fresh install of Hoary or dist-upgrade?08:29
KOXAKIyes i have nero08:29
KOXAKIfor burning it08:29
sonocrimsun: oops... dist-upgrade...08:29
JimbobSkaaa: My *guess* is that warty installed to the secondary disk and the BIOS doesn't allow booting off of it.08:29
crimsunsono: from what?08:30
Jimbob(since your only disk is on the "secondary" plug on the cable)08:30
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HippoNOW what?08:30
Skaaawell i have had this box running as is, the only thing that has changed was the mouse08:30
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sonoI worked safely with warty before, crimsun, and then dist-upgraded a month ago.08:30
syn-ackHippo: chill out, thats what.08:30
JimbobSkaaa: Huh. Strange.08:30
Liberal_Tugboatfuturama time sweeeeeet!08:30
Skaaai have the drive pinned out as maseter08:30
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JimbobSkaaa: Ok...08:30
JimbobWell, /dev/hda* is master08:31
bob2BilDo: stop changing your nick, it's annoying08:31
BilDoI stay coool08:31
JimbobSo Linux isn't seeing it as master.08:31
BilDoI like BilDo08:31
bob2BilDo: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt08:31
sonoshould I dpkg-reconfigure something crimsun?08:31
Liberal_Tugboatubuntu, futurama and food all at the same time... almost as good as sex08:31
Skaaawell there is physical pinout on the back of thr HDD, master vs slave08:31
bob2BilDo: then paste the WHOLE output to #flood, including what you typed08:31
claintthis is driving me nuts. anyone would have an idea why I am getting nothing but 640x480 instead of my regular resolutions? Why would Xfree _not_ use XF86Config-4, anyone know?08:31
Jimbobhda == primary master, hdb == primary slave, hdc == secondary master, hdd == secondary lsave08:31
hou5ton_bob2:  so ... do i just do something like apt-get install aplay08:31
Skaaaso i should move the hard drive down on th cable?08:31
Liberal_Tugboatclaint, are you using Hoary?08:32
claintLiberal_Tugboat: warty08:32
syn-ackLiberal_Tugboat: No, the XM PCR is better than sex. ;)08:32
BilDoHoary Whorey08:32
JimbobSkaaa: I'd try that (and check the BIOS for any funky HDD settings)08:32
bob2hou5ton_: yeah08:32
BilDoHoary the New 1?08:32
Skaaaso im going to close /dev08:32
Skaaaand shutdown08:32
bob2claint: er, why do you think it's not using it?08:32
Liberal_Tugboatclaint, try sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree8608:32
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JimbobSkaaa: Yeah, or type "shutdown -h now" from the "#" prompt08:32
JimbobSkaaa: That'll work too08:33
CoRzAcould anyone help me with the mouse problem i'm having?/08:33
Liberal_Tugboatbut delete the xfree86conf file first08:33
claintLiberal_Tugboat: ok, giving it a shot.08:33
BilDoit's 2:33AM amazing08:33
Jimbob(eventually that's the command that the logout stuff all runs)08:33
bob2BilDo: turn the drive off.  unplug.  plug.  turn it on.  then paste the output of "tail -n12 /var/log/messages" again to #flood.08:33
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claintLiberal_Tugboat: ok08:34
crimsunsono: no, no need to dpkg-reconfigure08:34
joshua__If I want to get Times New Roman font for firefox, do I need to download it for firefox or for gnome.  Furthermore, how do I download it? =P  Thanks.08:34
bob2joshua__: install msttcorefonts.08:34
haydenhow do i mount a windows ntfs partition?08:34
JimbobSkaaa: I'm gonna go for a smoke, I'll be back in about 10 minutes (someone else may be able to help you if it still doesn't work properly)08:34
haydenin hoary08:34
crimsunsono: you seem to be triggering an obscure session issue08:34
tomcatwhat's a good video player for gnome?08:34
crimsunsono: unfortunately I'm leaving work now, but I'll be back in 30 mins08:34
Skaaaill be here i am sure08:34
Liberal_Tugboatjoshua__, use synaptic to dl msttfont08:35
claintLiberal_Tugboat: shall I kill X and gdm?08:35
Skaaaremeber this isnt my original problem08:35
sonohmmm ok crimsun.  hehe obscure? I see...08:35
Liberal_Tugboatclaint, yes08:35
JimbobSkaaa: oh, yeah08:35
Skaaathis is just crap i encountered in between08:35
crimsunsono: yes, it doesn't happen with fresh installs, only with dist-upgrades from another non-Hoary distro08:35
sonocrimsun: its ok.  i'll try to be here 30 more minutes, but its late in my country...08:35
joshua__Thanks for the help.  I can use apt-get tho. :)08:35
BilDoAll done08:35
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sonoeven from Warty crimsun? ok08:35
crimsunsono: feel free to shoot me an email (crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu)08:35
Liberal_Tugboatwell I just say synaptic cause I dont know the full package name08:36
sonothank you very much crimsun, I will certainly write an aknowledgement for youat the CD we are producing hehe08:36
tomcatwhat's a good video player for gnome?08:36
tomcatI don't see mplayer in synaptic08:36
joshua__I kinda like gxine myself, but vlc is grea ttoo.08:36
Liberal_Tugboattomcat... totem is good once you get rid of gstreamer and use xine08:37
joshua__mplayer is installed by default; isn't it?08:37
syn-acktomcat: thats because its not.08:37
bob2tomcat: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats08:37
bob2joshua__: no way08:37
Liberal_Tugboatno mplayer by defualt08:37
haydennah its not08:37
BilDoWhat Now?08:37
joshua__O, it's totem.  I use gxine or vlc anyway. :)08:37
crimsunelmaya: wxvlc rules even more.08:37
sonook crimsun, Ill drop you a line about this process for sure, if I can't catch you here. thx in advance.08:37
crimsunsono: great, thanks.08:37
jdubtomcat: totem-xine08:37
haydenhow do i mount a windows ntfs partition in hoary (kubuntu)08:37
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Liberal_Tugboatsudo mount -t ntfs /dev/(drive)08:38
claintLiberal_Tugboat: ok...... now where is the config file it created. it is not in /etc/X11????08:38
Liberal_Tugboatit should be08:38
elmayatotem is a piece of shit08:38
BilDoi agree08:38
joshua__I install msttcorefont, and it installed successfully.  However, Times New Roman still doesn't show up under firefox's list in preferences.08:39
BilDoThANk U for TryInG To HElp. BoB08:39
haydenLiberal_Tugboat: how can see what the drive is 'called'08:39
claintLiberal_Tugboat: nothing there.....08:39
BilDou sure08:39
hou5ton_bob2:  apt-get is saying it can't find those packages08:39
syn-ackBilDo: How old are you? 12?08:39
hou5ton_aplay and esdplay08:39
syn-ackBilDo: you could have fooled me.08:39
Liberal_Tugboatclaint, what does "ls /etc/X11/" give you08:40
joshua__Don't give him a hard time. =P08:40
BilDoHow i get this HD to work08:40
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syn-ackHoly Christ, you have got to be kidding me.08:40
BilDoHow i get this HD to work, noone08:40
haydenhow do i mount a windows ntfs partition at boot?08:40
syn-ackbob2: Im done with this, I think its hopeless08:41
joshua__mount /dev/hda or wherever win is08:41
Liberal_Tugboathayden, are you trying to write to that drive?08:41
Liberal_Tugboatcause NTFS writing is a nono under linux08:41
Liberal_Tugboatreading is ok08:42
Liberal_Tugboatyou need to add a line to your fstab08:42
haydenjust so i can read some music files and stuff08:42
Liberal_Tugboatif you google search it you can find it pretty easy08:42
haydeni added this but it didnt work, /dev/hda1       /media/windows\ c       ntfs    umask=0222      0       008:42
joshua__Ah.  Wtf.  I clicked on "network" under computer.  And it has something on there called windows network.  I never configured file/print sharing (nor do i have any desire to)  There is a windows machine behind my router tho.  What is that?08:42
hou5ton_hayden:  it's here:  : http://www.ubuntuguide.org08:43
claintLiberal_Tugboat: it doesn't have XF86Config or XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf08:43
syn-ackhayden: you have the mountpoint messed uo08:43
BilDou guys quit helping me now?08:43
haydenwhat is it?08:43
syn-ackBilDo: yep08:43
Liberal_Tugboatclaint, really?08:43
claintLiberal_Tugboat: yeah, i am rather amazed myself.08:43
BilDoShould i move back to Windows?08:43
Liberal_Tugboatthat is weird cause if it doesnt exist you shouldnt be able to restart X08:43
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syn-ack /media/windows\c is supposed to be  /media/windows/c , hayden08:44
syn-ackBilDo: I think you would be doing both you and us a HUGE favor if you RTFM first then asked questions later.08:44
claintLiberal_Tugboat: let me test that.08:44
haydensyn-ack: no the folder name is "windows c"08:44
syn-ackhayden: That isnt too good of an idea08:45
syn-ackhayden: just name it something simple like windows or some suck08:45
syn-acksuch, too08:45
Liberal_Tugboatnames with spaces is just trouble08:45
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hou5ton_hayden:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs08:45
BilDois the fucking manual?08:45
Liberal_TugboatWOOHOO!! Kubuntu made the top 100 on distrowatch08:47
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syn-ackjoshua__: same here. :)08:47
Liberal_Tugboateveryone needs to go click the kubuntu link on distrowatch, eventually ubuntu can be #1 and #208:48
joshua__Is Ubuntu already number 1?  It certainly should be.  All the 'easy' distros take up the top few, and Ubuntu blows any other 'easy' distrobution out of the water.  It's actually a good operating system.08:48
Liberal_Tugboat(and gentoo can fall out of the top 10)08:48
haydenok its working thanks guys08:48
Liberal_Tugboatit is #2 only needa 84 more hits for day to overtake mandrake08:49
syn-ackLiberal_Tugboat: Theres nothing wrong with Gentoo. I run that too08:49
Liberal_Tugboatit beat it out for a week once08:49
Liberal_Tugboatsyn-ack, I cant stand most of the elitist gentoo users08:49
joshua__I tried Mandrake.  I hated it.  Slow, buggy, bad package management.08:49
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Liberal_Tugboatjust sick of people thinking they are better cause they compile everything08:50
syn-ackLiberal_Tugboat: You're just talking to the wrong users is all08:50
joshua__I don't realy see how compiling it for your machine realy helps that much.  Compiling something for 386 as compared to 686 doesn't make all /that/ much of a difference.08:50
Liberal_Tugboatthe time they save will never make up for all the time they have to compile08:50
syn-ackjoshua__: and thats not the reason I use it. portage is.08:50
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Liberal_TugboatI do think gentoo is a really scalable distro08:51
syn-ackUSE flags are the other reason too.08:51
joshua__Portage is cool.  I'd rather apt by far tho.  Still, to each his own.  I'm not going to be the asshole who demands everyone use wha the likes. :)08:51
joshua__what he*08:51
Liberal_Tugboatand the documentation is AMAZING!! but I like ubuntu08:51
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MatthewJohnanyone here use gst-ffmpeg with totem? are the videos really choppy? i cant seem to get it to work nicely08:51
joshua__Btw, what exactly is scalability?  I hear that all the time.   Yea, the docs are great.  I learned a lot by reading them.08:51
Liberal_TugboatI like having an entire system in 20 mins08:51
syn-ackjoshua__: Dude, Gentoo and Debian* are the best distros out there.08:51
UbuNashello :P08:52
syn-acknotice the *. ;)08:52
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joshua__Debian rocks.  I don't see any advantage of it over ubuntu for my purposes tho.  Just because Ubuntu has the advantages debain would have for me + easier to install + 6 month releases.08:52
Liberal_Tugboatjoshua__, because gentoo is install piece by peice, you can put it on just about ANY computer or device08:52
joshua__I see. :)08:53
Liberal_Tugboatfrom big servers all the way down to or crappy computers08:53
syn-ackLiberal_Tugboat: Guess what, you can do that with Debian too.08:53
joshua__Woohoo, Mandrake is going down.  That makes me happy.08:53
haydenLiberal_Tugboat: thats its downfall for regular desktop users though isnt it08:53
jdubguys, this is way off-topic here :-)08:53
syn-ackjdub: :p08:53
MatthewJohnhrmm anyone here use gst-ffmpeg and has problems with videos being choppy? and is totem-xine better?08:54
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Liberal_Tugboatyeah gentoo just isnt easy enough and it take forever to get a system running08:54
jdubLiberal_Tugboat: elsewhere please08:54
syn-ackLiberal_Tugboat: what are your system specs?08:54
Liberal_Tugboatplus it doesnt have a release cycle, its kind of like running debian unstable... things break sometimes08:55
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Liberal_Tugboatright now I am on my laptop (1.4 p4m 512 ram 40 gig hd Radeon 7000)08:55
caffinatedLiberal_Tugboat: it's not so bad if you have a few linux running machines, and distcc ;)08:55
Liberal_Tugboatmy desktop is a sempron 2400+ (overclocked to 2.1 ghz) 1 gig ram 120 gig HD and fx 560008:56
MatthewJohnhow can i check to see if nvidia drivers are being used? or if its using nv?08:56
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caffinatedMatthewJohn: look in your X configuration files08:56
Liberal_Tugboatcaffinated, yeah that wouldnt be that bad08:56
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samatmanugh...i'm back at it08:57
Liberal_Tugboatbut that is still cpu cycles I could be playing games on08:57
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joshua__I wish I could afford a bunch of computer to put on my network and experiment with.  Unfortunately old machines are hard to find.08:57
MatthewJohncaffinated: i changed it from nv to nvidia, any way to see if its really using it though?08:57
caffinatedMatthewJohn: install an opengl game and see if it runs like crap ;)08:57
MatthewJohnim having problems with videos being choppy, trying to figure out what the problem is08:57
KOXAKII want to ask does the live cd of ubuntu Linux support a ssh service?08:57
samatmanshould be a surplus store somewhere near you08:57
caffinatedMatthewJohn: i recommend gltron - it's a cute waste of time08:57
Liberal_TugboatMatthewJohn, when you restart X the nvidia logo will display ifit is workign08:57
jdubMatthewJohn: what's the output of "glxinfo | grep vendor" ?08:57
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jdubKOXAKI: it does if you install openssh-server08:58
Liberal_TugboatKOXAKI, yes08:58
KOXAKIjdub: how ti install the openssh-server?08:58
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jdubKOXAKI: use synaptic or apt-get, exactly as you would on a normal machine08:58
MatthewJohnclient glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org server glx vendor string: SGI08:59
samatmanok...anyone here messed with the rt2500 drivers from source code?08:59
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Liberal_TugboatMatthewJohn, it didnt work08:59
Liberal_Tugboatyou are still using the mesa driver08:59
joshua__If the kernal handles hardware, then why does x need to know what video card you have?08:59
KOXAKIjdub: i didn't understand you08:59
Liberal_Tugboatjoshua__, because it offloads rendering to it08:59
samatmanjoshua__, http://www.surplusgeeks.com/customer/home.php  they have pentium 2's09:00
jdubjoshua__: the kernel doesn't handle every aspect of the hardware09:00
MatthewJohni think i forgot to add glx to the config09:00
jdubKOXAKI: just use the normal package management tools09:00
joshua__liberal_Tugboat samatman jdub:  Thankya's. :)  Samatam  Double thanks for the link. :-D09:00
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Liberal_Tugboatno prob09:00
KOXAKIjdub: are they on the Live cd?09:00
jdubKOXAKI: yes09:01
Liberal_Tugboati try to fumble my way through helping09:01
Liberal_Tugboatits my pathetic way of giving back to the community09:01
KOXAKIjdub: by default, is the openssh-server activated, or i must to activate it09:01
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jdubKOXAKI: you have to install it09:02
KOXAKIjdub: from where?09:02
jdubKOXAKI: by using the included package management tools09:02
jdubgo into synaptic, search for it, install it09:02
jdubor use apt-get09:02
MatthewJohnKOXAKI: from the menu applications>system tools>add/remove programs09:03
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claintLiberal_Tugboat: got it working now.09:03
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Liberal_Tugboatclaint, nice09:03
claintLiberal_Tugboat: I got the backup from /var/backups/xfree8609:04
samatmanno one with experience compiling the rt2500 wirless drivers?09:04
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Liberal_Tugboathmm, thats good to know09:04
claintLiberal_Tugboat: the first one that was there when the system installed.09:04
Liberal_TugboatI will have to remember that09:04
claintLiberal_Tugboat: nvidia install makes that backup actually.09:04
Liberal_Tugboatoh ok09:04
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claintLiberal_Tugboat: anyway, diff shows that there were diffs in vertical and horizantal syncs.09:05
Liberal_Tugboatwhat video card are you using?09:05
MatthewJohnhrmm would the nvidia module not being loaded make watch videos choppy with ffmpeg?09:05
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samatmanhello again seveas09:05
Liberal_Tugboatyeah that will limit the rez you can use09:05
Liberal_TugboatMatthewJohn, no not really09:06
claintLiberal_Tugboat: why, i don't know. it is a laptop, so when something other than it can handle gets sent, it shows stuff in default 640x480. so it was  _trying to do 1280x800 resolution but the sync was different. which update modified it, i don't know.09:06
Liberal_Tugboatwhat player are you using?09:06
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MatthewJohnLiberal_Tugboat: do you use totem? and ffmpeg?09:06
joshua__How would you go about keeping a package you got from universal up to date?09:06
MatthewJohntotem with gstreamer and the ffmpeg plugin09:06
Liberal_TugboatI use totem-xine09:06
MatthewJohnhrmm im about to switch09:06
samatmanseveas, still want me to post the error from my compile?09:06
Liberal_Tugboatwith the w32codecs09:06
MatthewJohni wanted to use gstreamer though09:07
Seveasjoshua__, you mean from universe?09:07
Liberal_Tugboatgsteamer sucks09:07
Liberal_Tugboatfor video anyways09:07
Seveassamatman, ok09:07
Liberal_Tugboatask anyone09:07
joshua__Seveas: Yup.09:07
samatmanpastebin.com right?09:07
Seveasyes samatman ;)09:07
claintLiberal_Tugboat: it is nvidia fx520009:07
samatmanok, i'll have to move it over on thumbdrive, one min09:07