[12:00] <acs> please
[12:00] <unkwn> dvd authoring, anyone?
[12:00] <stephen_> how do i make mplayer defualt player?
[12:00] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...umm english please??? lol
[12:00] <sippeter1> apokryphos: I need black_Nightmare banned for life, he is being a bit too un-nazi for me.
[12:00] <black_Nightmare> what is a 'repositories' too????
[12:00] <mt2> acs, there is an updated version in hoary, upgrading can get you it, or simply downloading the binary from mozilla.org will work too
[12:00] <mdke> stephen_, tell me the full address of the directory
[12:00] <mdke> apokryphos, sippeter1 is spamming websites into the channel and sending people offensive private messages
[12:00] <alitoch> acs> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox
[12:00] <stephen_> ?
[12:00] <stephen_> bah
[12:00] <alitoch> a repository, black_Nightmare, is the Ubuntu server where you can get packages by the apt-get command
[12:01] <stephen_> /home/stephen/firefox
[12:01] <acs> alitoch, the sudo apt-get will upgrade my version of ubuntu?
[12:01] <alitoch> now it's easier to understand ?
[12:01] <black_Nightmare> alitoch ~ oh..ic ok
[12:01] <mdke> stephen_, that is where you installed the downloaded version?
[12:01] <acs> sudo apt-get upgrade*
[12:01] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...aren't hoary preview and stable hoary going to be the same repositories?
[12:01] <stephen_> ya
[12:01] <mdke> stephen_, ok
[12:02] <mdke> stephen_, open a terminal and use "sudo rm -r /home/stephen/firefox" to remove it, but be careful not to delete anything else
[12:02] <mt2> Does anyone know if this card,  ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c), even supports DRI? I'm really hoping I'm not wasting my time here
[12:02] <stephen_> k
[12:02] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> it is going to be the same repositories
[12:02] <stephen_> mdke how i make mplayer defualt player?
[12:02] <black_Nightmare> mt2..umm.. whats DRI? :">
[12:02] <Rebroad> anyone here understand what the ReactOS project is achieving that linux can't achieve?
[12:02] <alitoch> but upgrading from repository and installaing Hoary might not give you the same result
[12:02] <black_Nightmare> I have ati rage pro's here too (only under 98se thou)
[12:02] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...hm ok ty
[12:02] <stephen_> mdke: how do i make mplayer defualt player?
[12:03] <mt2> Direct Rendering
[12:03] <mdke> stephen_, stop it!
[12:03] <alitoch> welcome :)
[12:03] <stephen_> what?
[12:03] <stephen_> i just asked u
[12:03] <stephen_> how do i
[12:03] <mdke> stephen_, if you repeat yourself one more time I will not answer any more of your questions
[12:03] <black_Nightmare> mt2..oh...dunno about that...would have to ask someone for a dxdiag from windows to know what these cards actually supports
[12:03] <mdke> and nor will anyone else
[12:03] <stephen_> mdke: i am sorry
[12:04] <mdke> right
[12:04] <stephen_> HmmMM let's see
[12:04] <stephen_> no i am hopeless bah in linux
[12:04] <mdke> stephen_, i have some advice for you. have a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org and it will tell you how to do lots of things
[12:04] <stephen_> Setting MPlayer as default in Ubuntu i type that in google
[12:04] <stephen_> and i used ubuntuguide
[12:05] <alitoch> black_Nightmare mt2..oh...dunno about that...would have to ask someone for a dxdiag from windows to know what these cards actually supports
[12:05] <alitoch> or use winex :)
[12:05] <mt2> setting mplayer will depend on what desktop enviroment you're using, for gnome, just poke around with the "open with" menus
[12:05] <mt2> why would I use winex? It just doesn't make sense
[12:05] <black_Nightmare> alitoch...lol...well you know what I mean by dxdiag thou anyhow?  it usually shows a lot of hard 'supportable' details
[12:06] <mt2> using windows to find if there is a driver for linux?
[12:06] <alitoch> I know, black_Nightmare, I used win for a time
[12:06] <alitoch> mt2> you should use winex to run dxdiag yourself if you do not want to ask people to do it for you
[12:06] <mdke> stephen_, you can try right clicking on media files and select "open with". maybe that will have a way for you to set mplayer as default
[12:06] <stephen_> ok
[12:06] <alitoch> but i never tried, i don't know if it can emulate directx
[12:06] <stephen_> no
[12:07] <stephen_> openede totem
[12:07] <alitoch> but it should do it, because it has to emulate dx to run games, which is winex goal !
[12:07] <Brunellus> ok, stupid n00b question:
[12:07] <mdke> stephen_, RIGHT click
[12:07] <Brunellus> I'm running grip on fluxbox
[12:07] <Brunellus> I've finished ripping a cd
[12:07] <black_Nightmare> alitoch ~ is opengl also a linux thing too?
[12:07] <black_Nightmare> just wondering
[12:07] <Brunellus> how do I eject it?
[12:07] <mdke> Brunellus, it shouldn't be mounted should it?
[12:07] <alitoch> no black_Nightmare
[12:08] <mt2> I don't need to emulate directx, I need native DRI for linux. I want to test out the new, experimential, window manager for gnome
[12:08] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:08] <black_Nightmare> oh... is opengl just like directx = made for windows???
[12:08] <alitoch> just a free API
[12:08] <black_Nightmare> oh doh!
[12:08] <alitoch> mt2> you just didn't understand what I meant, forget it
[12:08] <kdp> i tried ripping a cd using soundjuicer, but it was horribly slow...1.4x...is there any reason for this?
[12:08] <black_Nightmare> so opengl can be for linux then? <<my question rephased! :p
[12:08] <alitoch> no black_Nightmare
[12:08] <alitoch> opengl, fortunately, works for every OS
[12:08] <Brunellus> mdke:  where do i see whether it's mounted?
[12:08] <mdke> Brunellus, in a terminal, type "mount"
[12:08] <alitoch> opengl team didn't lock it like microsoft team did for directx and windows
[12:09] <black_Nightmare> alitoch..yeah that was supposed to be my CORRECT question :)
[12:09] <SeeleyUSMC> Why can't I play DVD's or MP3's in Ubuntu?
[12:09] <confrey> I have installed phpmyadmin, but I can't start it; waht's missing?
[12:09] <mdke> SeeleyUSMC, have a read of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:09] <Brunellus> SeeleyUSMC:  go to "Restricted-formats" in the wiki
[12:09] <alitoch> SeeleyUSMC> are you under Hoary ?
[12:09] <black_Nightmare> alitoch..so if a game was written for opengl there's a possibility it could be kinda redone to run under linux?
[12:09] <alitoch> ok black_Nightmare  :)
[12:09] <sal> SeeleyUSMC, you need to install packages to read DvD's
[12:09] <SeeleyUSMC> yes, Hoary
[12:09] <Brunellus> mdke:  i'm not showing it mounted
[12:09] <mt2> OpenGL is a specification for producing graphics
[12:10] <mdke> Brunellus, and its not ejecting when you press the button on the drive?
[12:10] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> yes, you could even run it on ANY OS
[12:10] <Brunellus> correct
[12:10] <mdke> Brunellus, totally weird
[12:10] <Brunellus> is there something on the commandline I can do?
[12:10] <alitoch> (since the language you use is cross-platform, like C, C++ or Python)
[12:10] <mdke> Brunellus, you could try "eject /dev/your_cdrom_drive"
[12:10] <mt2> Brunellus, have you tried eject? sounds silly, but maybe
[12:10] <black_Nightmare> hmm...ty
[12:11] <black_Nightmare> too bad my cpu isn't enough for one known-all-opengl game I got :|
[12:11] <black_Nightmare> would need at least a 700mhz but only have a 300Amhz alas
[12:11] <alitoch> Brunellus> don't you have an "eject" button when you right-click on the CD icon ?
[12:11] <black_Nightmare> some day if I get a larger system to run ubuntu on lol
[12:11] <alitoch> Under Gnome it does, under your DM, I dunno
[12:11] <Brunellus> alitoch:  I'm not running GNOME
[12:11] <Brunellus> I'm running fluxbox
[12:11] <sri> hey wahts the package you need if you want to compile mesa?  It's looking for dri.h, and I know thats in the kernel area
[12:11] <mdke> anyway its not mounted
[12:11] <sri> is linux-headers-2.6.10-?-686 enough?
[12:11] <Brunellus> yeah, it's not mounted.
[12:11] <alitoch> I know Brunellus
[12:12] <alitoch> but maybe there is the same when you right-click on the icon
[12:12] <wdh> Brunellus, there is an 'eject' command also :)
[12:12] <Brunellus> alitoch:  there *is* no icon.
[12:12] <kdp> force the eject
[12:12] <mdke> Brunellus, did you try eject?
[12:12] <Brunellus> wdh:  eject didn't work, since it didn't even know /dev/cdrom0 was *there*
[12:12] <Brunellus> it's weird.
[12:12] <mt2> is there a way to manually open the drive?
[12:13] <alitoch> oh, you don't have a Desktop on Fluxbox
[12:13] <mdke> Brunellus, it may be that you'll have to reboot
[12:13] <alitoch> seems weird
[12:13] <kdp> is neone seeing these messages?
[12:13] <alitoch> one last thing Brunellus :
[12:13] <mdke> kdp, ping
[12:13] <Brunellus> mdke:  it's the damnedest thing.  I can access it no problem
[12:13] <alitoch> try : umount -a or umount /dev/hdc (or hdd, depends of where is ya CD)
[12:13] <alitoch> and then eject /dev/hdx
[12:14] <Brunellus> oh wait
[12:14] <Brunellus> does eject have to be run as root?
[12:14] <alitoch> did you try to umount it, Brunellus
[12:14] <alitoch> maybe
[12:14] <black_Nightmare> alitoch just one question but is it difficult to use the isa pnp tool thinge?
[12:14] <alitoch> I don't think so, though
[12:14] <Brunellus> no, that didn't work
[12:14] <black_Nightmare> especially to get a creative soundblaster 16 card working :p
[12:14] <s1x> lo all
[12:14] <mdke> Brunellus, can't hurt to try as root
[12:14] <s1x> serpentine
[12:14] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> I heard about it but I dunno what's isa pnp tool lol
[12:15] <alitoch> oooh
[12:15] <conffrey> I have installed phpmyadmin, but I can't start it; what can I do?
[12:15] <alitoch> you have ALSA or OSS that makes your sound work very well black_Nightmare
[12:15] <alitoch> a SoundBlaster card should surely work, yeah
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> alitoch..hm ok ty
[12:15] <unkwn> conffrey:  you don't start phpmyadmin
[12:15] <unkwn> it's just there
[12:15] <mt2> Seeing how this card is getting be absolutely no where, can someone reccomend a newer, well-supported, and cheaper graphics chip? I'm just looking to do basic 3D animations and shadows, not any gaming.
[12:15] <Brunellus> weird.  unable to find or open device
[12:16] <alitoch> welcome
[12:16] <Brunellus> and yet I read from the disk when I point xmms to it....
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> brb for supper ;)
[12:16] <alitoch> mount it and then umount it, Brunellus
[12:16] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> bon appetit :)
[12:16] <conffrey> unkwn, yes, when I try in the browser localhost/pypmyadmin I obtain : The requested URL /cgi-bin/php4/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server
[12:17] <sal> mt2, i would suggust ANYTHING that is listed on the "supported" page (if you don't plan to do any gaming)
[12:17] <mt2> sal, technically, my card is supported (it's on the page) but I'll have another look and see what the prices of a few things are, thanks
[12:18] <Rebroad> g'day zorba64
[12:18] <unkwn> conffrey:  sudo slocate -u
[12:18] <sal> mt2, if it's supported, do a google search and see if someone else has had the same problem your having
[12:18] <unkwn> then when that's finished slocate /phpmyadmin/
[12:19] <kdp> anyone got hdparm to enable dma on startup?
[12:19] <mt2> sal, that's part of the problem, I'm not really sure where the problem is. I'm not getting any errors that I know of, and everything installed just fine, it just doesn't work
[12:19] <Grock> how can I add tell make-kpkg to also compile a free standing module?
[12:19] <mdke> kdp, yes
[12:19] <sal> mt2, I had issues with my laptop video card driver, and all it took was alittle "alone time" with google and I got full 3d working
[12:19] <mdke> kdp, you tried editing /etc/hdparm.conf?
[12:19] <kdp> yes
[12:19] <mdke> what went wrong?
[12:19] <BARBoy> hey, i need help with my modem on warty
[12:19] <kdp> well, not since the latest update?
[12:20] <kdp> has it been fixed in the last 2 days or so?
[12:20] <unkwn> conffrey:  then you'll probably want to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/whateveryourconfigis and/or /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[12:20] <mdke> kdp, has what been fixed? something has been yes
[12:20] <kdp> ok, i shall try again
[12:21] <mt2> sal, I tried accecpting the dcc, but it just refused to do anything
[12:21] <stephen_> how i install .py?
[12:21] <sal> mt2, it's all right
[12:21] <sippeter1> HAHA
[12:21] <mt2> python? it's bundled with ubuntu
[12:21] <stephen_> how do i start bit torrent?
[12:21] <stephen_> downloaded bit torrent 4
[12:21] <stephen_> and i want to start
[12:21] <sippeter1> chmod +x *.py&&./btcurses
[12:21] <sal> mt2, just not wanting to spam the main channel with. but w/e.
[12:21] <jasp> is it a file called setup.py ?
[12:21] <stephen_> ya
[12:21] <membreya> jesus, 2 days offline and 100mb of updates >:\
[12:22] <mdke> lol
[12:22] <stephen_> and there's btdownloadgui.py
[12:22] <membreya> new array come out or what?
[12:22] <mt2> sal, indeed, I don't like to do it myself, perhaps I can try
[12:22] <mdke> membreya, don't think so
[12:22] <sal> mt2, what exactly are you trying to do, that your not able to do?
[12:22] <jasp> type: python setup.py build
[12:22] <sippeter1> ./btdownloadgui.py
[12:22] <mt2> sal, I'm trying to get direct rendering enabled
[12:22] <sippeter1> chmod +x btdownloadgui.py&&./btdownloadgui.py
[12:22] <stephen_> it didn't work
[12:22] <jasp> then: python setup.py install
[12:22] <Rebroad> hoary - no good for 56kbps connections...
[12:22] <sal> mt2, with what card?
[12:22] <stephen_> hmm no
[12:22] <mdke> Rebroad, lol
[12:22] <membreya> hehe that's the truth Rebroad, thankfully I'm on cable :)
[12:22] <stephen_> hey sipper chmod +x btdownloadgui.py&&./btdownloadgui.pything worked
[12:22] <stephen_> chmod +x btdownloadgui.py&&./btdownloadgui.py
[12:22] <stephen_> working
[12:23] <stephen_> thank u
[12:23] <sippeter1> Yeah, duh.
[12:23] <mt2> sal, lspci reports "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)"
[12:23] <membreya> stupid connection though, to archive.ubuntu.com I only get 200kB/s
[12:23] <jasp> ah ok :-)
[12:23] <mdke> membreya, poor you lol
[12:23] <membreya> mdke: to the aussie mirror I get 600 :)
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> membreya: archive.u.c does a *lot* of traffic
[12:23] <zenrox> membreya,  i got 20k and it keap dieing
[12:23] <membreya> HrdwrBoB: I can tell ;)
[12:24] <stephen_> what's cedegA?
[12:24] <alitoch> bye
[12:24] <mdke> i wish i could get 200k
[12:24] <mdke> bye
[12:24] <zenrox> me too
[12:24] <Rebroad> i've not configured apt to use cedega. am i missing much?
[12:24] <willy> hi, where do i get a list of repository servers fir 5.04 and synaptic from? thanks
[12:24] <xvlun> hi is there a way to upgrade not just the packages to hoary but the whole distribution, getting new packages and features as well?
[12:24] <Skid> hi, running horay how can I make my screen res goto 1440x1050? its the native res for my laptop.. I've edited xorg.conf, restarted x, but it's not working and is not in the screen res prefernes@?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> xvlun: the packages are the whole distribution
[12:24] <Skid> preferences
[12:25] <Rebroad> 1400x1050
[12:25] <mdke> xvlun, you might check that you have ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop installed
[12:25] <gene_> When I start up my desktop, Gnome, I get two error boxes.  One says "Missing command to run." and the other says "You must run this program as the root user." Question: How do I track down what is causing this and fix it?
[12:25] <Grock> willy: search on ubuntu?
[12:25] <kdp> mdz: editing /etc/hdparm.conf worked, but there was still an error message at boot "/dev/hdc: No such file or directory exists"
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> ty alitoch I'm back :p
[12:25] <stephen_> what's cedegA?
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> urmp...where did alitoch go??? lol
[12:25] <mdke> kdp, me?
[12:25] <kdp> even though dma is now on
[12:25] <Skid> 1400 ? I thought it was 1440 ?
[12:25] <kdp> er, yes
[12:25] <willy> Grock: where exactly im a newbie
[12:25] <sal> Cedega is the front end for Pont2Play
[12:25] <Grock> willy: there's a nice page that describes it there
[12:26] <mdke> kdp, yeah they've worked around it i think
[12:26] <Rebroad> gene: it's trying to run programs you were running last time you logged in. it will go away after you next log out
[12:26] <sal> err Point2play
[12:26] <stephen_> So i need to dl point2play?
[12:26] <xvlun> HrdwrBoB, thats not necessarily true if warty has got paket a version b and hoary has paket a version c and additionally pakage d version a ;)
[12:26] <stephen_> want to play COUnter strike
[12:26] <sal> yes
[12:26] <willy> Grock: where
[12:26] <saik0> sal. I think you got them backwards...
[12:26] <stephen_> HE HE
[12:26] <kdp> deceptive error messages (shakes fist angrily)
[12:26] <mdke> kdp, heh
[12:26] <mdke> at least it works ;)
[12:26] <mdke> but the bug isn't closed i think
[12:26] <xvlun> Skid, which kind of graphics card do you have?
[12:27] <mdz> kdp: that's known; the error is harmless
[12:27] <saik0> When I run  cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status I get 'Status:          Disabled' can someone help me figure out why
[12:27] <Rebroad> did you do a nvidia-glx enable?
[12:27] <unkwn> god this feels for primitive burning  a dvd from the command line
[12:28] <Grock> willy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=synaptic
[12:28] <gene_> Rebroad, I afraid that is not the case.  I have been having this problem for several weeks.  I have only today given up on being able to solve the problem mysel.  It started after a nightly update.  I am running Hoary.
[12:28] <kdp> i suppose i will have to learn to distinguish all the different usernames...hm
[12:28] <saik0> bash: nvidia-glx: command not found, though I have the modules installed
[12:28] <airox> kdp: It isn't that hard ;)
[12:28] <mdke> kdp, heh
[12:29] <Rebroad> ah. it's "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[12:29] <sal> err, yeah I did get them backwards. Point2play is the Front end for Cedega :/
[12:29] <saik0> Rebroad, i did that, but I have since updated my kernel. Didnt think about doing it again
[12:30] <Rebroad> saik0: good luck. hope it works
[12:30] <saik0> Rebroad, ran it, same thing. DO I need to restart X?
[12:30] <geneo93>   nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:31] <mt2> Is there anyway to detirmine if the card driver is actually being used and perhaps find out if the problem is just one of configuration?
[12:31] <Rebroad> saik0: yes
[12:31] <Rebroad> saik0: log off. and CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE
[12:31] <saik0> Rebroad, yep brb
[12:32] <stephen_> how i install .sh?
[12:32] <mt2> stephen_, you don't, you run them
[12:32] <syn-ack> stephen_: ./ this.sh
[12:32] <stephen_> ok
[12:32] <stephen_> grr
[12:32] <saik0> Status:          Disabled =(
[12:33] <stephen_> i type in ./cedega.sh
[12:33] <stephen_> athat right?
[12:33] <holotone> Ok, so here I go, just got done backing up everything on my XP laptop, going to reformat and reinstall, and then do the big jump to a dual boot XP/Ubuntu
[12:33] <mt2> stephen_, that is correct
[12:33] <unkwn> you can also do sh file.sh
[12:33] <stephen_> k
[12:33] <stephen_> now what?
[12:33] <mt2> enter?
[12:33] <stephen_> nothing? hmm
[12:33] <stephen_> no i am doign something wrong
[12:33] <holotone> I'm going to use a partition manager to partition before I install XP OR Ubuntu, and I was curious as to what opinions people had as to how I should partition it.
[12:34] <stephen_> can u get cedega for free?
[12:34] <mt2> holotone, you can use Ubuntu's installer to do it if you like
[12:34] <BARBoy> i need help with my modem in warty, can anyone help me??
[12:34] <holotone> I'd like all of my media, etc to be viewable by both OSs, so I'm pretty certain a majority of the HDD is going to be NTFS so both OSs can read it..
[12:34] <kdp> holotone: 2xRAM for swap, 100 MB for /boot
[12:34] <holotone> is that correct?
[12:34] <Rebroad> BARBoy: what modem is it?
[12:34] <xvlun> so apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade would be enough?
[12:34] <BARBoy> lucent win modem
[12:34] <Rebroad> BARBoy: get another modem
[12:34] <holotone> what's /boot?
[12:34] <stephen_> how about .deb?
[12:35] <Rebroad> BARBoy;l one with it's own cpu
[12:35] <kdp> holotone: you may want to put all ur media on a FAT32 partition
[12:35] <kdp> linux can read and write to that
[12:35] <stephen_> how i work with .deB?
[12:35] <Tilde> kdp: 100M /boot it's big, 2xRAM depend size of your RAM
[12:35] <BARBoy> rebroad: i have linux drivers for it, no idea how to install them
[12:35] <saik0> kdp, do 'man dpkg'
[12:35] <holotone> I've been told I need to make a NTFS partition, two ext3 partitions (one for / and one for /home) and one SWAP partition
[12:35] <Rebroad> have you tried using the NDIS wrappers?
[12:36] <stephen_> What do i do with .deb?
[12:36] <Rebroad> BARBoy, have you tried using the NDIS wrappers?
[12:36] <BARBoy> umm, i am new to linux
[12:36] <saik0> kdp, just kidding
[12:36] <Rebroad> holotone: why a seperate partition for /home?
[12:36] <holotone> is that all correct? Why do I need two ext3 partitions for / and /home? can't they reside on the same partition? And what the hell ARE / and /home, anyhow?
[12:36] <Rebroad> I use one partition for everything..
[12:36] <holotone> Rebroad that's what I said!
[12:36] <randy> anyone got flash player working in amd64
[12:36] <saik0> stephen_, i meant you do man dpkg
[12:36] <Kamion> you don't need two separate partitions, just some people think separating data is convenient
[12:36] <holotone> ok, well, I won't then.
[12:37] <stephen_> nevermind
[12:37] <Rebroad> one partition is more convenient and more efficient i think
[12:37] <Tilde> holotone: / and /home can be on the same partition
[12:37] <stephen_> what?
[12:37] <holotone> So one NTFS, one ext3 and one SWAP?
[12:37] <kdp> so if u ever crash and burn ur / partition, u still have /home
[12:37] <Rebroad> holotone: sounds good
[12:37] <geneo93> Rebroad:  i always use two
[12:37] <holotone> can linux read/write NTFS?
[12:37] <kdp> not write
[12:37] <Rebroad> kdp: how will you crash and burn an ext3 partition?
[12:37] <saik0> It's good to be /home
[12:37] <kdp> thats y u use FAT32
[12:37] <Rebroad> holotone: yes. via smb :)
[12:37] <stephen_> what do i do with a .deb?
[12:37] <holotone> what's SMB?
[12:37] <holotone> and isn't fat32 less stable?
[12:38] <Tilde> kdp: if you have only one hdd you crash all partition
[12:38] <holotone> Can XP install on fat32?
[12:38] <membreya> stephen_: use sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[12:38] <Rebroad> it's how you share NT drives over the network, holotone
[12:38] <geneo93> yes
[12:38] <randy> no
[12:38] <kdp> holotone: yes
[12:38] <membreya> holotone: yes
[12:38] <stephen_> k
[12:38] <holotone> is fat32 as stable as ntfs?
[12:38] <Rebroad> XP can install on fat32
[12:38] <randy> wow
[12:38] <Rebroad> no security, but writeable by linux then
[12:38] <kdp> holotone: well ok here is what i did...XP has NTFS, media is on FAT32 and has no OS associated with it
[12:39] <holotone> That's one way!
[12:39] <stephen_> I installed point2play 1.3
[12:39] <saik0> holotone , NTFS is more efficient, and FAT32 can only be 34 (I think) GB big
[12:39] <unkwn> use rieserfs
[12:39] <unkwn> (sp)
[12:39] <stephen_> now what can i do with point2play?
[12:39] <stephen_> how do i open it?
[12:39] <Rebroad> I run NT4 within vmware to share my NTFS partitions, and then smbmount them in linux....
[12:39] <membreya> saik0: 32 AFAIK
[12:39] <geneo93> 32
[12:39] <holotone> So a 60GB HDD... How would you break it up between an NTFS partition for XP, a FAT32 partition for media, and an ext3 partition for ubuntu?
[12:39] <stephen_> hmm
[12:39] <stephen_> manuals are great!
[12:40] <unkwn> why keep windows?
[12:40] <Rebroad> 2Gb for XP
[12:40] <unkwn> kick windows to the curb
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> you actually can have fat32 as a single partition on a 200gb hd
[12:40] <geneo93> way to much to waste on windows
[12:40] <Rebroad> 1Gb swap. 58Gb ext3
[12:40] <kdp> unkwn: streaming support is much better in windows, in my opinion
[12:40] <stephen_> How do i mount my USB External HD
[12:40] <stephen_> i really need
[12:40] <unkwn> vlc works fine
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> just STOP using ms's stupid fdisk .. there's a different version online that can doule it to 64gb .. but for the real fat32 partitioner...I'm not sure what the name was again
[12:40] <kdp> just for the fact that everybody streams in either smil or wav
[12:40] <Rebroad> you can always resize it later if you need to
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[12:40] <kdp> *wax
[12:41] <MatthewJohn> i saw the howto for windows codecs for totem, but its for totem-xine, how do you do it for gstreamer?
[12:41] <randy> when you plug it in /dev/ will show sd* devices
[12:41] <kdp> or u can download knoppix and use QTParted
[12:41] <mhz> stephen_: usually, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB or something like that
[12:41] <Rebroad> can use gparted on ubuntu
[12:41] <membreya> Rebroad: yes
[12:41] <Rebroad> well. maybe not if it's buggy..
[12:41] <randy> you mount it the same way as hda partitions
[12:41] <stephen_> it says mount: mountpoint /mnt/usb does not exist?
[12:41] <stephen_> what id o
[12:41] <Rebroad> use ntfsresize works
[12:41] <kdp> well, i'm assuming u dont already have ubuntu installed
[12:41] <stephen_> What Do I DO
[12:41] <membreya> stephen_: you need to make the mount point first
[12:42] <kdp> mkdir /mnt/usb
[12:42] <holotone> kdp you're talking to me?
[12:42] <stephen_> where?
[12:42] <Rebroad> usb drives are /dev/sdb1..2.. etc, no?
[12:42] <geneo93> install xp first
[12:42] <stephen_> in the /etc folder
[12:42] <saik0> MatthewJohn, If you enable Universe just install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[12:42] <randy> check /dev/
[12:42] <membreya> Rebroad: depends, if you have a SATA/SCSI drive then yes they're sdb ..if you don't have SATA/SCSI it's SDA
[12:42] <mhz> stephen_: hmmm, sorry. sdb no sda :D
[12:42] <stephen_> wtf?
[12:43] <stephen_> what?
[12:43] <Rebroad> ah. sorry, i meant sda
[12:43] <stephen_> what?
[12:43] <randy> if sda (or sdb or sdc etc...) devices are there thats usb
[12:43] <saik0> MatthewJohn, http://www.ubuntuguide.org might help as well
[12:43] <mhz> stephen_: as root, create a dir named USB or usb (the name you prefer).
[12:43] <stephen_> i using USB hd
[12:43] <stephen_> it says
[12:43] <stephen_> already exist
[12:43] <mhz> stephen_: mkdir /mnt/usb
[12:43] <holotone> can linux READ NTFS?
[12:43] <stephen_> already exist
[12:43] <membreya> holotone: yes it can
[12:43] <Rebroad> holotone: yes
[12:43] <Kamion> you know you could just say 'pmount /dev/sda1' rather than messing with all this
[12:43] <membreya> it CAN write to it as well ...but dont :)
[12:43] <holotone> membreya why not?
[12:43] <mhz> stephen_: then, mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/USB
[12:44] <Kamion> or, hell, just insert the USB stick and it ought to be automounted
[12:44] <membreya> holotone: buggy
[12:44] <david_> hi there. i have just installed ubuntu. can anybody tell me the benefits of installing gstreamer-plugins?
[12:44] <stephen_> mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/USB
[12:44] <stephen_> and i get
[12:44] <stephen_> mount: mount point /mnt/USB does not exist
[12:44] <Kamion> stephen_: see what I just said
[12:44] <stephen_> no
[12:44] <Kamion> 'pmount /dev/sdb1'
[12:44] <stephen_> ok
[12:44] <membreya> stephen_: do a mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb rather than USB
[12:44] <randy> mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/(ntfs partition) /(directory)
[12:44] <confrrey> why doesn't phpmyadmin start?
[12:44] <stephen_> no
[12:45] <stephen_> the partitioner sees it as a suski
[12:45] <stephen_> skusi*
[12:45] <saik0> Can somsone help me figure out why my AGP is disabled with my nvidia card?
[12:45] <geneo93> scsi
[12:45] <stephen_> ya scsi
[12:45] <mhz> stephen_: as I said, USB or usb or UsB are different names... you must specify the ONE you created
[12:45] <stephen_> i did
[12:45] <linux_nut> saiko: have you installed the nvidia driver?
[12:45] <david_> what do gstreamer-plugins do?
[12:46] <membreya> mhz: years of MS, have left people case insensitive :P
[12:46] <stephen_> Ok now it saying
[12:46] <membreya> david_: codecs
[12:46] <stephen_> /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[12:46] <kdp> alright everyone, remember to watch "the office" tonight!
[12:46] <randy> what about /dev/sda1
[12:46] <MatthewJohn> thanks saik0!
[12:46] <linux_nut> kdp, have the tivo set
[12:46] <saik0> linux_nut, corect, and configged my xorf.config
[12:46] <david_> membreya: do i need to install them?
[12:46] <holotone> how much room does ubuntu need to install, and still have some headroom for whatever apps I may want to install.. Just bare minimum.. would 10GB do it, or is that overboard?
[12:47] <membreya> david_: that depends if you want to play multimedia files correctly or not
[12:47] <randy> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:47] <membreya> holotone: 10gb is more than enough :)
[12:47] <SeeleyUSMC> which packages do I need for MP3's and DVD's again?
[12:47] <Rebroad> 10GB is good
[12:47] <stephen_> any ideas? i getting
[12:47] <holotone> would 5gb be too small?
[12:47] <membreya> though next weekend I'm installing it on a 200gb SATA
[12:47] <stephen_> error
[12:47] <Rebroad> 5GB will suffice also
[12:47] <randy> libdvdcss for copy protection
[12:47] <stephen_> mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb
[12:47] <stephen_> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[12:47] <Rebroad> but a bit small for apps also
[12:47] <stephen_> so what can i try?
[12:47] <membreya> holotone: I currently have it installed on 5gb and I still have 2.1gb free
[12:47] <Kamion> use pmount
[12:47] <randy> libmikmod and lame for xmms
[12:47] <Kamion> I suppose alternatively I could talk to the wall :)
[12:48] <david_> membreya: i sure do! so it would be benificial to install them right? how about if i use mozplugger as well? will that work with firefox?
[12:48] <holotone> what does the base install of ubuntu take up?
[12:48] <stephen_> Grr
[12:48] <Kamion> stephen_: it's probably /dev/sda1; type 'pmount /dev/sd' and then hit tab a couple of times to see what's there
[12:48] <stephen_> lol
[12:48] <holotone> space wise
[12:48] <Kamion> holotone: 350MB
[12:48] <holotone> wow, sweet
[12:48] <geneo93> 6 gig root 1 gig swap and 52 gig home
[12:48] <zenrox> holotone, 1.7 gigs with x and gnome
[12:48] <stephen_>  pmount /dev/s
[12:48] <stephen_> Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory
[12:48] <CarlK> 295 really
[12:48] <stephen_> i am linux noob
[12:49] <CarlK> but the installer needs 50 to work with, so you need a 350 drive
[12:49] <holotone> is there any way for me to share my thunderbird profile between my xp and ubuntu installs so that whichever I use to check it, the change will be reflected in both?
[12:49] <Kamion> stephen_: /dev/s doesn't exist
[12:49] <stephen_> ya
[12:49] <stephen_> it say that 2
[12:49] <Kamion> stephen_: type /dev/sd, DON'T HIT ENTER, hit tab a couple of times
[12:49] <stephen_> k
[12:49] <stephen_> no
[12:49] <stephen_> i just get sound goin EEK eek EEK
[12:50] <Kamion> stephen_: 'pmount /dev/sd', then tab; as I said earlier, so I didn't think I needed to repeat it
[12:50] <jasp> stephen type: /dev/sd, and then press TAB twice, to see if you have any scsi devices
[12:50] <david_> membreya: i sure do! so it would be benificial to install them right? how about if i use mozplugger as well? will that work with firefox?
[12:50] <Rebroad> it's funny how you can't browse microsoft.com with MSIE v2
[12:50] <Kamion> jasp: you need an executable name before it, otherwise bash tries to complete over just executables, which is not helpful
[12:50] <stephen_> YA
[12:50] <stephen_> it worked
[12:50] <lytefyre> pache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 ..anything i miss ??
[12:50] <stephen_> now i got
[12:50] <stephen_> bunch of things
[12:50] <stephen_> sda5
[12:51] <stephen_> sda2
[12:51] <Kamion> stephen_: that sounds like you have a SCSI or SATA hard disk
[12:51] <holotone> is there any way for me to share my thunderbird profile between my xp and ubuntu installs so that whichever I use to check it, the change will be reflected in both?
[12:51] <stephen_> LOL hellz no man
[12:51] <Kamion> USB sticks do not normally have that many partitions
[12:51] <stephen_> but my USB External is recongized as scsi?
[12:51] <Rebroad> holotone: yes
[12:51] <randy> sda2 is partition #2
[12:51] <Rebroad> set up thunderbird on ubuntu
[12:51] <stephen_> ? so that is my usb external?
[12:51] <randy> sda5 is partition #5
[12:51] <stephen_> i got 2 hd
[12:51] <Rebroad> and then delete the Mail dir and sym link it to the XP one
[12:51] <stephen_> 40 and a 80
[12:51] <Kamion> oh, it's an external disk, not a stick? sure, that'll show up as SCSI
[12:51] <stephen_> Ok
[12:52] <randy> on one drive
[12:52] <stephen_> so how i mount my lovely USB hd
[12:52] <holotone> but the profile would have to reside on a fat32 partition, right?
[12:52] <Rebroad> of course
[12:52] <saik0> this cant be good- modprobe nvidia-glx returned FATAL: Module nvidia_glx not found. But somehow X is funning nvidia as the driver just fine
[12:52] <stephen_> USB partition is NTFS
[12:52] <Rebroad> holotone: the Mail dir would be on FAT32
[12:52] <Kamion> stephen_: 'pmount /dev/sda2' or 'pmount /dev/sda5', depending on which partition you want
[12:52] <randy> run nvidia-glx-config
[12:52] <Rebroad> holotone: the symlink to it which is within the profile would need to be on ext3
[12:52] <Kamion> stephen_: but really, inserting it ought to make it automount and show up as an icon on your desktop
[12:52] <Kamion> stephen_: if it doesn't, that is a bug
[12:53] <LeeColleton> I'm trying to network two ubuntu machines over firewire with the eth1394 module.  I can't ping between them.  One is 10.0.3.1 the other is 10.0.3.2
[12:53] <stephen_> i had the same prob with mandrake
[12:53] <stephen_> umm ya my USB hd is working something out
[12:53] <jasp> stephen:repeat the line (arrow up) that gave the error /dev/sda1 not found, and fill in something else
[12:53] <stephen_> it's ORANGE simple is up
[12:53] <Rebroad> holotone: just move the mail dir over to ext3 and don't use thunderbird in XP anymore instead :)
[12:53] <stephen_> after the pmount what i do?
[12:53] <stephen_> i type in pmount /dev/sda2 and my hard drive is making tons of noise..
[12:53] <stephen_> wtf?
[12:53] <geneo93> Kamion:  he may have usb shared irq like mine it dont work
[12:53] <Kamion> stephen_: assuming you're running standard Ubuntu, an icon should now have appeared on your desktop
[12:53] <holotone> Rebroad unfortuneately, I'm not THAT read to jump in head first yet.
[12:53] <stephen_> Ok
[12:54] <stephen_> This going to take a while
[12:54] <Kamion> stephen_: and assuming that pmount succeeded (if it didn't, it will say)
[12:54] <stephen_> wtf is going on? is Ubuntu doing something?
[12:54] <saik0> randy, it just says that my xorg.conf was manually edited, which it was. everything in there should be right though
[12:54] <stephen_> pmount /dev/sda2
[12:54] <Kamion> stephen_: you sure sda2 isn't the extended partition?
[12:54] <stephen_> no
[12:54] <stephen_> mount failed
[12:54] <Kamion> stephen_: ok, try 'pmount /dev/sda5' now
[12:54] <Rebroad> pmount is the command to format the drive..?
[12:54] <Kamion> Rebroad: NO
[12:54] <stephen_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[12:54] <stephen_>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:54] <stephen_> Error: mount failed
[12:55] <Kamion> stephen_: do you happen to know what filesystem is on that disk?
[12:55] <stephen_> ya
[12:55] <stephen_> NTFS
[12:55] <geneo93> stephen_:  do a df -h
[12:55] <Kamion> meh, ok
[12:55] <stephen_> what is that
[12:55] <stephen_> def -h?
[12:55] <Kamion> stephen_: try 'pmount -t ntfs /dev/sda5', then?
[12:56] <geneo93> df
[12:56] <randy> mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /(the directory it mounts to)
[12:56] <geneo93> show free disk space
[12:56] <andyk> anybody know about kernel recomplile in hoary ?
[12:56] <randy> ie (as root) #mkdir /windows
[12:56] <randy> mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /windows
[12:56] <stephen_> something bad happen i think
[12:56] <lytefyre> stephen_ : u mite need to get the ntfs module
[12:56] <david_> can somebody clarify for me whether i need to install gstreamer-plugins and mozplugger?
[12:56] <stephen_> just says
[12:57] <stephen_> Usage: pmount <device> [<label>] 
[12:57] <stephen_> Mount <device> to a directory below /media/ if policy requirements
[12:57] <stephen_> are met. If <label> is given, the mount point will be /media/<label>,
[12:57] <stephen_> otherwise it will be /media/<device>. If the mount point does not exist,
[12:57] <stephen_> it will be created.
[12:57] <stephen_> Policy:
[12:57] <stephen_> - <device> is a block device in /dev/
[12:57] <stephen_> - <device> is not handled by /etc/fstab; if it is, '/bin/mount <device>'
[12:57] <stephen_>   is called to handle this case transparently
[12:57] <stephen_> - <device> is not already mounted according to /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts
[12:57] <Kamion> damnit, I guess warty's pmount doesn't understand -t
[12:57] <stephen_> - if the mount point already exists, there is no device already mounted at it
[12:57] <stephen_>   and the directory is empty
[12:57] <stephen_> - <device> is removable (currently USB and FireWire)
[12:57] <stephen_> The device will be mounted with the following flags:
[12:57] <stephen_> sync,atime,nodev,exec,noauto,nosuid,user,rw
[12:57] <geneo93> david_:  if you want browser support yes
[12:57] <stephen_> holy crack that is long
[12:57] <stephen_> Kamion: what now?
[12:57] <Kamion> stephen_: lesson #1 in IRC; don't ever paste more than four lines at once
[12:57] <CarlK> four?  my limit is 1
[12:58] <stephen_> aight sorry
[12:58] <stephen_> didn't know where to post
[12:58] <lytefyre> stephen_: do u know if kernel supports ntfs mount ?
[12:58] <gratuit> stephen_: you can use #flood
[12:58] <randy> yes
[12:58] <andyk> i need sbp-s support for hoary if.  if i have a fresh 2.6.10 kernel do i have to reapply ubuntu patches ?
[12:58] <david_> geneo93: the gstreamer-plugins are important? they work with mozplugger, right? sorry for so many questions i just want to understand what is happening!
[12:59] <stephen_> ok
[12:59] <stephen_> i dont know
[12:59] <andyk> 2.6.10 from a hoary install
[12:59] <geneo93> well you heed both
[12:59] <stephen_> i'm using UBUNTU the 1 from the CD i ordered 4 weeks ago
[12:59] <holotone> how big can a FAT32 partition be again? And is it as stable as NTFS? I know it's not as efficient, but is it as stable?
[12:59] <lytefyre> go to /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION/kernel/fs
[12:59] <geneo93> 32gig
[01:00] <Rebroad> holotone: what do you mean stable?
[01:00] <St0n3-C0l> Anygood which provides free-email ?
[01:00] <CarlK> geneo93 - I have a 40g fat
[01:00] <holotone> stable = won't crap out
[01:00] <lytefyre> stephen_: check if there is a dir called ntfs with a module named ntfs.ko
[01:00] <Rebroad> holotone: It's stable. it's just not journalled and has no security mechanism
[01:00] <stephen_> what that mean
[01:00] <holotone> journalled? Security mechanism?
[01:01] <lytefyre> stephen: check if u have this dir /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/kernel/fs/ntfs
[01:01] <geneo93> CarlK:  you didnt use M$ tools to create it either
[01:01] <Rebroad> holotone: you can't restrict access based on user accounts
[01:01] <lytefyre> stephen_ : directory i mean
[01:01] <stephen_> ok
[01:01] <stephen_> so cd
[01:01] <stephen_> and that
[01:01] <lytefyre> yeah
[01:01] <Rebroad> holotone: and you need to chkdsk it if you crash without shutting down properly
[01:01] <CarlK> geneo93, I have an 80 g drive and when I mkfsed one 80g partition, df showed it as 75, so I made 2 40's
[01:01] <stephen_> no
[01:01] <stephen_> no
[01:01] <stephen_> root@Steve:~ # cd /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/kernel/fs/ntfs
[01:01] <stephen_> bash: cd: /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/kernel/fs/ntfs: No such file or directory
[01:02] <holotone> So why exactly doesn't Linux support NTFS? This is screwing my whole plan up!
[01:02] <lytefyre> what is your kernel version ?
[01:02] <stephen_> i dont know
[01:02] <stephen_> how i find out
[01:02] <lytefyre> do a 'uname -a'
[01:02] <CarlK> holotone - cuz Billy G is a butt head
[01:02] <andyk> cat /proc/version
[01:02] <andyk> for kernel
[01:03] <geneo93> CarlK:  i'm not much of a windows person but i could only create a 32 max on a 75 gig drive
[01:03] <aurax> hello
[01:03] <holotone> would it be illegal for linux to fully support NTFS, then?
[01:03] <Kamion> stephen_: just ignore all that complicated stuff and try 'sudo modprobe ntfs'. If it's not there, it'll fail.
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> holotone: Change your Filesystem from NTFS to FAT32 :P
[01:03] <Rebroad> holotone: because Microsoft like being a monopoly..
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> geneo....thats because you are using M$'s fdisk
[01:03] <CarlK> geneo93 - I did it in linux
[01:03] <holotone> or is it a technical problem?
[01:03] <stephen_> umm
[01:03] <aurax> can anyone give me information about the ability of ubuntu to work with intel's 915G chipsets ?
[01:03] <stephen_>  i type that in
[01:03] <stephen_> sudo modprobe ntfs
[01:03] <Kamion> holotone: the specs aren't public; it has to be reverse-engineered
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> use a better one and you can even format a 200gb into one single FAT32 -- I'm not joking
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[01:03] <stephen_> and it goes back to root@steve
[01:03] <aurax> like PCI-X compability and such
[01:03] <Kamion> stephen_: ok, good
[01:03] <stephen_> ok
[01:03] <stephen_> root@Steve:~ # sudo modprobe ntfs
[01:03] <stephen_> root@Steve:~ #
[01:04] <stephen_> now what
[01:04] <geneo93> CarlK:  i knew you didn't use M$ tools is what i said
[01:04] <lytefyre> stephen_: noe try the pmount commands
[01:04] <stephen_> what?
[01:04] <stephen_> ENGLISH please :)
[01:04] <Rebroad> holotone: how much memory do you have?
[01:04] <Kamion> stephen_: 'pmount /dev/sda5'
[01:04] <lytefyre> stephen_ : yeah
[01:04] <stephen_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[01:04] <stephen_>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:04] <stephen_> Error: mount failed
[01:05] <stephen_> fook
[01:05] <holotone> 60GB
[01:05] <andyk> can anybody help with recompiling a kernel in hoary ?
[01:05] <holotone> I"m afraid to use FAT32 because I don't want to lose my shit if I crash and forget to chkdsk.
[01:05] <Kamion> stephen_: ok, then try what randy said up above
[01:05] <Kamion> 23:56 < randy> ie (as root) #mkdir /windows
[01:05] <Kamion> 23:56 < randy> mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /windows
[01:05] <holotone> but I want to be able to read and write my media from both OSs
[01:05] <holotone> damnit!
[01:05] <stephen_> wut he say?
[01:05] <Rebroad> holotone: XP will automatically run a chkdsk for you
[01:06] <farruinn> holotone: complain to microsoft, not us
[01:06] <CarlK> holotone - you can get ext2 drivers for win (i think)
[01:06] <Rebroad> ext2 isn't journalled either
[01:06] <stephen_> HEY RANDY what u say
[01:06] <Kamion> stephen_: oi
[01:06] <Rebroad> and less stable on NT i think
[01:06] <Kamion> stephen_: read it, I just pasted it for you
[01:06] <holotone> farruinn fer gawd sake man, just expressing frustration, not complaining..settle down now.
[01:06] <CarlK> but I wouldn't trust that more than fat on linux
[01:06] <aurax> anyone uses PCI-X video card ?
[01:06] <stephen_> wit
[01:06] <membreya> does anyone know where in the module I can disable AGPGART?
[01:07] <stephen_> #mkdir /windows wut this do
[01:07] <Kamion> 'man mkdir'
[01:07] <stephen_> i did it
[01:07] <stephen_> now what
[01:07] <Rebroad> holotone: you could try to get captive-ntfs working...
[01:07] <Kamion> stephen_: the '#' at the front is your prompt. don't type that bit.
[01:07] <Rebroad> holotone: but it's not easy
[01:07] <stephen_> i know
[01:07] <stephen_> i type in mkdir /windows
[01:07] <geneo93> and you need sudo
[01:08] <stephen_> root@Steve:~ # mkdir /windows
[01:08] <stephen_> root@Steve:~ #
[01:08] <Kamion> stephen_: now try reading the *second* line I pasted
[01:08] <geneo93> sudo mkdir /windows
[01:08] <Kamion> geneo93: he's at a root shell already
[01:08] <geneo93> oh
[01:08] <holotone> so maybe: 17GB NTFS for XP; 32GB FAT32 for media, shared shit; 10GB EXT3 for Linux; 1GB Swap
[01:08] <stephen_> what?
[01:08] <holotone> how's that sound?
[01:08] <stephen_> second?
[01:09] <stephen_> 'pmount /dev/sda5?
[01:09] <Rebroad> holotone: perfect
[01:09] <Kamion> stephen_: mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=666,ro /dev/sda5 /windows
[01:09] <geneo93> holotone:  sounds good
[01:09] <zenrox> holotone,  1gb swap
[01:09] <zenrox> ??
[01:09] <Rebroad> or you could use ext2 instead of FAT32
[01:09] <stephen_> fukcing finally
[01:09] <stephen_> ok i see my hd
[01:09] <Rebroad> that way you have security within linux for the media/data
[01:09] <holotone> but XP can't read ext2, can it?
[01:09] <stephen_> k i see
[01:09] <Rebroad> but you need to install ext2fsd on NT to access the ext2
[01:09] <stephen_> thank u
[01:10] <Rebroad> ext2fsd allows NT to read/write ext2 partitions
[01:10] <saik0> Rebroad, last I head it was read only, really?
[01:10] <aurax> dudes anyone uses here PCI-X video card?
[01:10] <Rebroad> it's read only by default
[01:10] <aurax> like geforce or something
[01:10] <holotone> would EXT2 be better that FAT32?
[01:10] <Rebroad> but a registry tweak will enable write, i believe
[01:10] <geneo93> holotone:  i've had the same fat32 share partition for 5 yrs and it works just fine
[01:10] <Rebroad> ext2 would provide security
[01:11] <lytefyre> my apache2ctl complains of missing /usr/sbin/apache2...anything I miss ??
[01:11] <robl^> CP/M2.2 FS is better than FAT32. :)
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> aurax: are you SURE PCI-X ?
[01:11] <holotone> anything I need secured I'll put on NTFS, i suppose.
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> aurax: or PCI-e
[01:11] <Rebroad> and you'd have things such as symbolic links available on ext2 but not on FAT32
[01:11] <meister> hi
[01:11] <aurax> yes HrdwrBoB
[01:11] <stephen_> he he
[01:11] <stephen_> ok goody
[01:11] <stephen_> my hd files :D
[01:11] <holotone> symbolic links?
[01:11] <black_Nightmare> I think pci-x = pci-e x1
[01:11] <black_Nightmare> same thing
[01:11] <stephen_> my HOMEWORK is in there
[01:11] <black_Nightmare> I might be wrong thou
[01:11] <stephen_> that's why i needed
[01:11] <aurax> PCI-Express
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> black_Nightmare: no
[01:11] <saik0> Well I'm pulkling my hair out, nvidia-glx is installed but when i modprobe nvidia-glx it returns FATAL: Module nvidia_glx not found.
[01:11] <aurax> it named pci-x too
[01:11] <Absenth> Evening all.
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> aurax: PCI-X is not PCI epress
[01:11] <stephen_> scary
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> no it's not
[01:12] <stephen_> my Music play better in linux
[01:12] <stephen_> lol
[01:12] <Rebroad> stephen_: man ln
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> PCI X is a double length 66Mhz 64 bit PCI slot
[01:12] <aurax> oh
[01:12] <aurax> doh
[01:12] <aurax> k
[01:12] <aurax> sorry
[01:12] <stephen_> can u do RPM in Ubuntu?
[01:12] <aurax> pci-e*
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> PCI-e is PCI express
[01:12] <meister> can one help me with this:
[01:12] <meister> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[01:12] <Rebroad> stephen: yes
[01:12] <IAmTheWalrus> Hello..can anybody help me with BlueZ?
[01:12] <stephen_> how do i?
[01:12] <Zotnix> stephen_, not recommended but yeah.
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> but yes, a PCI-e card should work the same as an agp card
[01:12] <meister> stephen_, use alien -d ur.rpm
[01:12] <Zotnix> stephen_, man alien
[01:12] <aurax> really, cool
[01:12] <Rebroad> stephen: install "alien"
[01:12] <Absenth> stephen_, yes, but I believe you have to convert it to a .deb with a program called alien
[01:12] <stephen_> alieN?
[01:12] <stephen_> suda get-apt install alieN?
[01:12] <meister> yeah
[01:12] <Absenth> stephen_, you're a lot better off finding the .deb package, or using apt-get to find what you want though.
[01:13] <stephen_> well i can't find a working version of cedega.deb
[01:13] <stephen_> i'm bad
[01:13] <Rebroad> isn't cedega a repository?
[01:13] <Absenth> stephen_, I'm running 4.3, via point2play
[01:13] <stephen_> how do u?
[01:13] <stephen_> i have alien
[01:13] <IAmTheWalrus> I can't get my bluetooth mouse wokring
[01:13] <IAmTheWalrus> working, even
[01:13] <stephen_> so now i have to do what?
[01:13] <stephen_> ya
[01:14] <stephen_> my bluetooth went fucko on me
[01:14] <stephen_> sad
[01:14] <IAmTheWalrus> well, I got bluez-utils installed fine
[01:14] <stephen_> Google How to use RPM in debian?
[01:14] <holotone> ok, after I get all dual booted and set up and all that, will Symantec Ghost clone EVERYTHING, including the linux side?
[01:14] <IAmTheWalrus> but I can't figure out how to get the mouse and the bluetooth thing talking to each other
[01:14] <holotone> I've never used a ghost prog before, so I haven't the slightest clue.
[01:14] <stephen_> what i type?
[01:14] <stephen_> rpm file.rpm?
[01:14] <Absenth> stephen_, if you log into your transgaming account, there certianly is a cedega_4.2.1-1_i386.deb file
[01:14] <stephen_> WAA
[01:14] <Absenth> I'd bet there's a 4.3 now.
[01:15] <stephen_> I DID Not buy!
[01:15] <Rebroad> holotone: ghost can clone raw partitions, but also ext2 and ext3
[01:15] <stephen_> i downloaded it
[01:15] <Rebroad> holotone: and reiserfs i think
[01:15] <IAmTheWalrus> nobody knows anything?
[01:15] <funky> hi
[01:15] <stephen_> i dont want to pay
[01:15] <IAmTheWalrus> I just need to know how to make a bluetooth mouse talk to the antenna
[01:15] <andril> can anyone point out some good media players in Synaptics?
[01:15] <holotone> Rebroad so that's a yes theN? ;)
[01:15] <Rebroad> Walrus: not used bluetooth
[01:15] <Rebroad> holotone: yes
[01:15] <holotone> werd.
[01:15] <holotone> thanks
[01:15] <meister> newbish in ubuntu + elitists in debian? what a *"*"*
[01:16] <funky> all packages showed in dpkg -l with ubuntu sufix in his name are packages modified by ubuntu team ?
[01:16] <Absenth> meister, what about newbish in ubuntu, and debian?
[01:16] <Rebroad> funky: you can be 99% certain of that
[01:16] <apokryphos> andril: you looking for avi/mpg players or mp3 here?
[01:16] <IAmTheWalrus> grargh
[01:16] <mindphasr> IAmTheWalrus: look at hcitool, sdptool and rfcom
[01:16] <mindphasr> rfcomm
[01:16] <stephen_> hmm
[01:16] <stephen_> LEarning linux harder tham my homework
[01:16] <IAmTheWalrus> ok..just google those?
[01:17] <funky> Rebroad, ok
[01:17] <meister> Absenth, if i ask something in #debian they start doing elite.. and here i dont get an answer..
[01:17] <IAmTheWalrus> or are they things in ubuntu already
[01:17] <stephen_> How do i use ALIEN to install Cedega.rpm?
[01:17] <stephen_> DO i type alien -g cedega.rpm?
[01:17] <apokryphos> stephen_: man alien
[01:17] <randy> transgaming has deb packages
[01:17] <stephen_> but do i pay for a account?
[01:17] <Rebroad> stephen: what is cedega?
[01:18] <mindphasr> IAmTheWalrus: for instance, 'hcitool scan' and 'sdptool browse' .. check those out
[01:18] <Absenth> meister, admitting I know very little about the "debian" way, what was the question?  Assuming it's not resolved.
[01:18] <stephen_> u tell me lol
[01:18] <machoo> i just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?
[01:18] <IAmTheWalrus> ok
[01:18] <stephen_> people say u can play games with it
[01:18] <randy> cedega allows you to play a plethora of windows games
[01:18] <meister> Absenth: configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[01:18] <Rebroad> randy: it's like winex?
[01:18] <stephen_> ah
[01:18] <stephen_> i found a .deb
[01:18] <randy> it IS winex
[01:18] <Absenth> meister, I'd love to help, but admit that's over my head.
[01:18] <meister> Absenth, ldconfig done , pkgconfig done -> no success
[01:18] <randy> they changed the name
[01:18] <stephen_> I AM 13 man no mister
[01:19] <stephen_> i'm Little Brat
[01:19] <MatthewJohn> does anyone here a hp5800? (802.11g wireless printer)
[01:19] <stephen_> goody
[01:19] <stephen_> warez sites
[01:19] <stephen_> so i need
[01:19] <stephen_> point2play
[01:19] <stephen_> and cedega?
[01:19] <randy> yes
[01:19] <stephen_> what u recommend? the DEBIAN or the TGZ?
[01:19] <randy> deb
[01:19] <meister> Absenth, thats exactly what i wanted to say about ubuntu and debian
[01:20] <meister> stephen_, r u trolling=?
[01:20] <stephen_> ok
[01:20] <stephen_> ? what is that
[01:20] <stephen_> 7 mins EWW
[01:20] <stephen_> 4 mins EWW
[01:20] <Absenth> meister, I'd have the same problem if we were talking in #fedora :)
[01:20] <randy> you need : cedega_4.3-1_1386.deb
[01:20] <stephen_> i am dling
[01:20] <machoo> i just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?
[01:20] <stephen_> cedega_4.3_deb
[01:20] <randy> and: point2play_1.3.3-1_i386.deb
[01:20] <synic> has anyone set software raid up on ubuntu?
[01:20] <stephen_> hafe that
[01:20] <stephen_> and installed
[01:21] <synic> I know it doesn't support booting from software raid
[01:21] <Rebroad> synic: many many people
[01:21] <Absenth> synic what raid level are you shooting for?
[01:21] <stephen_> hey
[01:21] <synic> do I need to make the root partition and boot partition non-raid
[01:21] <stephen_> randy
[01:21] <farruinn> meister: if no one knows the answer to your question here perhaps ask on the mailing list or forums
[01:21] <synic> or can I get away with just boot?
[01:21] <synic> Absenth: 1
[01:21] <stephen_> do u use Cedega?
[01:21] <machoo> i just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?
[01:21] <holotone> fark, is there anyway to get a fat32 partition bigger than 32? even 40GB would be exactly what I would need
[01:21] <IAmTheWalrus> mindphasr: hcitool scan found the mouse..how do I make the things talk to each other?
[01:21] <stephen_> Want to know some funny bS?
[01:21] <randy> yes
[01:21] <farruinn> meister: btw, I assume you do have libgtk2.0-dev installed, correct?
[01:21] <meister> farruinn, thats sad always asking in forums but anyway thx
[01:21] <Absenth> synic, you "should" be able to configure a few partitions with fdisk, set the partition type to "fd" and then use raidhotadd
[01:21] <apokryphos> meister: Just what is the problem with that? You either need the gtk stuff or it can't find them...
[01:21] <stephen_> i downloading stuff on 2 computers
[01:22] <stephen_> 1 of them downloading at 1MB
[01:22] <meister> farruinn, yes all pkgs r installed
[01:22] <stephen_> mine is at 30 KBSA
[01:22] <stephen_> BOO
[01:22] <synic> Absenth: right, I've actually got it set up, but currently root is not raid.
[01:22] <mindphasr> IAmTheWalrus: you have to search for the service with sdptool..not sure what service it uses
[01:22] <farruinn> meister: out of curiosity what are you trying to build?
[01:22] <meister> apokryphos, as i said i installed all over apt-get
[01:22] <machoo> i just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?
[01:22] <Absenth> synic, Ahhh.....
[01:22] <synic> I want to re-set it up and set everything raid but the boot partition
[01:22] <stephen_> how do i update my ubuntu?
[01:22] <synic> is this possible?
[01:22] <meister> farruinn, a little glade test application (C without libglade)
[01:22] <randy> apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <synic> or do I have to have root as non raid as well?
[01:22] <apokryphos> meister: that error is from apt-get?
[01:22] <Absenth> synic, actually that's a great question.  one that might actually warrant a format of one of these computers.
[01:22] <stephen_> ok
[01:22] <stephen_> i did sudo apt-get update
[01:23] <Rebroad> stephen: next do "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:23] <Absenth> synic, I'll tell you in a couple min.....  booting it to the cd now.
[01:23] <synic> sweet :)
[01:23] <mindphasr> IAmTheWalrus: and then bind the address of the mouse to a rfcomm device..like 'rfcomm bind 0 <address> <channel>' would bind the address and channel to /dev/rfcomm0
[01:23] <stephen_> ok
[01:23] <stephen_> cedega done installing
[01:23] <Rebroad> stephen: where did you find cedega please?
[01:23] <farruinn> meister: if you installed libgtk-2.0 then it should be in the "standard" location and you shouldn't get that error
[01:23] <randy> if you use warty, it will bring you up to date on warty
[01:23] <synic> it would be super awesome if the only partition that was non-redundant was the boot partition
[01:23] <lytefyre> apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2  after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ??
[01:23] <machoo> i just installed openoffice 2.0, i want to uninstall openoffice 1.1 how do i do this?
[01:23] <stephen_> now what i do?
[01:23] <synic> would make a rebuild a lot less lame
[01:23] <farruinn> meister: you shouldn't have to mess with pkg-config paths
[01:23] <Rebroad> machoo: why do you want openoffice 2.0?
[01:24] <machoo> i just thought it was better than 1.1
[01:24] <randy> what do you mean
[01:24] <machoo> is it not?
[01:24] <apokryphos> meister: not sure how gtk handles its stuff, but you might need the dev packages. Location for such variables doesn't generally vary much, but if it was altered you might need to reassign it.
[01:24] <Rebroad> machoo: interesting assumption
[01:24] <stephen_> o fook
[01:24] <stephen_> it says i need a account
[01:24] <Absenth> synic, I'll try a basic install first, and then go back and try an expert install.
[01:24] <Rebroad> machoo: i made the same assumption myself
[01:24] <randy> @ cedega?
[01:24] <machoo> rebroad: is it a wrong assumption? the interface looks better?
[01:24] <stephen_> no point2play
[01:24] <stephen_> how do i start cedega?
[01:25] <randy> you have the debs right
[01:25] <wdh> stephen_, you might wanna try "apt-get dist-upgrade" as an alternative for "apt-get upgrade" the next time.. its a much smarter way to upgrade your system
[01:25] <randy> click help
[01:25] <holotone> How safe would a 40GB FAT32 partition be? M$.com says they only limit is XP Pro only making fat32 up to 32GB, but it can read and write larger ones.
[01:25] <Rebroad> machoo: i tried OO 2.0 but then ended up uninstalling it again. can't remember quite why now
[01:25] <stephen_> well i used the unoffical guide to update way when i did a clean install
[01:25] <machoo> rebroad: ok but how do you uninstall stuff?
[01:25] <randy> check Point2Play howto guide
[01:25] <Rebroad> machoo: use synaptic
[01:25] <stephen_> what?
[01:25] <black_Nightmare> holo..well.. *theriocally* fat32 can be up to 2TB anyhow
[01:26] <stephen_> Point2Play & point 2 play turns on
[01:26] <randy> it explains in there how to configure global rc file for already install cedega
[01:26] <black_Nightmare> but that would be very huge kb blocks
[01:26] <stephen_> how do i use this?
[01:26] <stephen_> it keeps asking me for a gay account
[01:26] <machoo> i tried that but then I didn't know which file to select to uninstall
[01:26] <holotone> black_Nightmare is it UNSAFE to make a FAT32 partition bigger than 32GB?
[01:26] <Absenth> synic, when you get to the partition your disk option (the one that offers to use the entire disk, there's a manually configure option below it)
[01:26] <Rebroad> stephen: are you gay?
[01:26] <Absenth> synic, on the standard install.
[01:26] <stephen_> no
[01:26] <randy> click help, read how to guide
[01:26] <lytefyre> apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ??
[01:26] <synic> Absenth: yeah, that's what I did this time
[01:26] <Rebroad> stephen: you can't have a gay account then
[01:26] <Absenth> synic, ahh....  give me another couple min :)
[01:26] <synic> okey
[01:27] <stephen_> FINE
[01:27] <stephen_> how about FOOkign account?
[01:27] <stephen_> lol
[01:27] <stephen_> the hell with this peice of shit
[01:27] <stephen_> hmm
[01:27] <stephen_> nothing
[01:27] <stephen_> i clicked americasarmy.exe to try
[01:27] <randy> don't need acount if you have cedega.deb&point2play.dev
[01:27] <geneo93> focking account
[01:27] <stephen_> and nothing
[01:28] <stephen_> so how do i use cedega?
[01:28] <Rebroad> do i have to pay to use winex?
[01:28] <randy> NO
[01:28] <stephen_> so i should go and dl WINEX?
[01:28] <randy> do you have it
[01:28] <stephen_> no i downlaoded cededga and point2play
[01:28] <randy> like i said cedega = winex
[01:28] <Absenth> synic, I'm thinking that this utility is crap.
[01:29] <synic> Absenth: how come?  I thought it was pretty cool
[01:29] <Absenth> synic, but I could be wrong, lemme see if "expert" gives me fdisk.
[01:29] <airox> Is there some program that can organize my mp3 collection ?
[01:29] <stephen_> it's free?
[01:29] <airox> So it get's labels ?
[01:29] <stephen_> cedega is freE?
[01:29] <airox> etc ..
[01:29] <airox> stephen_: nope.
[01:29] <stephen_> see
[01:29] <stephen_> i downloaded it
[01:29] <stephen_> and it all working
[01:29] <stephen_> how the fock do i use
[01:29] <randy> do you have cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb
[01:29] <randy> ???
[01:29] <stephen_> ya i installed it!
[01:30] <randy> do you have point2play*.deb installed
[01:30] <stephen_> how do i start cedga?
[01:30] <stephen_> ya i do
[01:30] <stephen_> i can turn it on
[01:30] <randy> OK
[01:30] <stephen_> it's on right now and i am trying to see wtf it cna do
[01:30] <randy> now click help and read howto guide
[01:30] <stephen_> ? font to small
[01:30] <randy> first type Point2Play @ terminal
[01:30] <Rebroad> transgaming.com is asking for payment details - i thought you said it was free
[01:30] <stephen_> randy!
[01:31] <randy> it's not free
[01:31] <stephen_> well guess i'm focked
[01:31] <randy> you said you already installed it
[01:31] <stephen_> me?
[01:31] <Rebroad> stephen: where did you download it from?
[01:31] <stephen_> tuxwarez
[01:31] <holotone> thanks again for the help, ya'll
[01:32] <stephen_> so now what?
[01:32] <stephen_> i got em both
[01:32] <Rebroad> holotone: np
[01:32] <membreya> when you're compiling a new kernel, what's the command line to view the menu system ?
[01:32] <holotone> I'll be back in a few hours to let you know how my first Linux install goes, I'm sure with plenty of more questions...
[01:32] <holotone> werd.
[01:32] <stephen_> now what?
[01:32] <stephen_> how do i install games with this thing
[01:32] <randy> are you in Point2Play?
[01:32] <stephen_> ya
[01:33] <randy> click help and read howto guide
[01:33] <stephen_> ok
[01:33] <randy> a section in there explains howto setup Global RC file
[01:33] <randy> for already installed cedega
[01:34] <randy> after you create/edit the file restart Point2Play
[01:34] <stephen_> wtf does that mean?
[01:34] <stephen_> how do i ?
[01:34] <stephen_> wtf this mean
[01:34] <stephen_> /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/Point2PlayRC?
[01:34] <stephen_> wha i do w
[01:34] <stephen_> ok
[01:34] <randy> do this $pico /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/Point2PlayRC
[01:34] <stephen_> wow? now what
[01:34] <randy> Point2PlayRC is the name of the file you create
[01:35] <stephen_> o
[01:35] <stephen_> lol ic
[01:35] <Absenth> stephen_, if you actually purchased the program for the super expensive price of $5, you'd get all the support documents in the world, and contribute to the betterment of gaming on linux, rather then leech.....  but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
[01:35] <randy> i agree
[01:35] <turf> hi guys! how can i check if some package are installed in my ubuntu? is there a equivalent command for rpm -qa <packagename>?
[01:35] <randy> i pay
[01:35] <stephen_> I can't
[01:35] <Absenth> syn
[01:35] <stephen_> alright htis is BS
[01:35] <stephen_> Fucking peice of shit software
[01:35] <lytefyre> turf : dpkg-query -l
[01:36] <randy> you should quit using linux
[01:36] <stephen_> I can use wine
[01:36] <Absenth> synic, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[01:36] <synic> ok
[01:36] <maddler> damn...
[01:36] <stephen_> No
[01:36] <stephen_> i like linux
[01:36] <maddler> was someone able to setup a Nvidia graphic adapter?!
[01:36] <Absenth> stephen_, wow....  that FPOS software is running SWG on my second pc right now as I type this.
[01:36] <stephen_> what?
[01:36] <synic> damn.
[01:36] <stephen_> i can use wine
[01:36] <stephen_> it work
[01:37] <Rebroad> randy: thanks for the cedega tips
[01:37] <turf> lytefyre: got it thanks, one more question how about urpmi command is there a equivalent command?
[01:37] <Rebroad> randy: I'm downloading the torrents now
[01:37] <stephen_> Rebroad
[01:37] <stephen_> it gonan be a pain in the ass
[01:37] <airox> Isn't there a program that can tag mp3's with some database ?
[01:37] <lytefyre> turf : what does that do ?
[01:37] <Rebroad> stephen: how old are you
[01:38] <lytefyre> airox : use Juk
[01:38] <stephen_> 13
[01:38] <stephen_> Hey guys using WINE i can play games 2?
[01:38] <airox> lytefyre: ok.
[01:38] <Rebroad> stephen: have you finished your homework tonight?
[01:38] <EricNeon> morning
[01:38] <airox> Rebroad: hehe ;)
[01:38] <stephen_> yo u focker we dont got homework no school until tuesday
[01:38] <airox> 13 and trying out linux already ...
[01:38] <stephen_> I LIke computers
[01:38] <airox> sounds like pathetic ;D
[01:38] <stephen_> what can i say?
[01:39] <airox> well enjoy your youth
[01:39] <stephen_> dad said i should try it
[01:39] <membreya> hmmmmm ... just compiled a kernel and there's NO way to remove AGPGART :\
[01:39] <Rebroad> stephen: ah. good time to try linux then!
[01:39] <stephen_> i bought FX5200
[01:39] <membreya> damnit
[01:39] <stephen_> DUNNO wtf to do wtih it czu WINDOWS XP treat it like garbage
[01:39] <stephen_> so i move to LINUX
[01:39] <stephen_> NO virus and less shit
[01:39] <stephen_> :D
[01:39] <stephen_> i lik e
[01:39] <stephen_> but now i cant play my games
[01:39] <airox> hehe
[01:39] <stephen_> WHAT BS
[01:40] <stephen_> should i try wine?
[01:40] <Rebroad> stephen: i'll see if i can get cedega working and if I do I'll let you know how. ok?
[01:40] <randy> ok,
[01:40] <turf> lytefyre: urpmi command will automatically tell u which cd your package is located, so all u have to do is urpmi <packagename>, then it will tell u wich cd to insert then it will install the package
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> I'll have to try a livecd on my system...see if it can pick up the tv/out well or not
[01:40] <randy> don't listen to me
[01:40] <Absenth> you should find a spare $5, or possibly see if there's a cedega specific help forum.
[01:40] <airox> black_Nightmare: Which video card ?
[01:40] <geneo93> stephen_:  you can it just takes time and understanding how things work
[01:40] <randy> i may have been using transgaming products for 2 years
[01:40] <Absenth> call me crazy, but isn't this the "ubuntu" forum?
[01:40] <stephen_> geneo should i try using wine to play my games?
[01:40] <randy> but obviously my help is useless
[01:40] <membreya> black_Nightmare: what type of video card do you use ?
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> airox.. aiw 7500.  it uses the rage theatre chipset if that helps :p
[01:40] <stephen_> or is wineX aka cedega really neccessary?
[01:40] <lytefyre> turf : no idea then, new to this whole debian thing myself , hehe
[01:41] <airox> black_Nightmare: good luck then :)
[01:41] <EricNeon> thank smourf,I should edit ubuntu-zh today
[01:41] <membreya> hmmm I only know how to get tvout working on nvidia
[01:41] <geneo93> stephen_:  some will work and orheers may not
[01:41] <black_Nightmare> I could try figure a mointor tomorrow but then still...can keep a livecd to show other people how it would work on their own laptops
[01:41] <stephen_> so is winex needed?
[01:41] <Rebroad> membreya: is it hard?
[01:41] <black_Nightmare> you know what I'm saying? :p ^
[01:41] <membreya> Rebroad: piece of piss
[01:41] <robl^> Absenth: actually this is underwater basket weaving.  Ubuntu moved next door.  *giggle*
[01:41] <robl^> :)
[01:41] <zenrox> membreya, check out #nvidia for that question
[01:41] <geneo93> stephen_:  goto wine hq
[01:41] <airox> black_Nightmare: I guess it won't be working out of the box. But some spare minutes would do the trick i hope ;)
[01:41] <Absenth> robl^, rofl. that was great.
[01:41] <stephen_> ya
[01:41] <stephen_> and dl wine?
[01:42] <black_Nightmare> "you like this os?  hey tell you what I could probably show you a livecd right on YOUR laptop if you don't mind?  it wouldn't touch your hd"
[01:42] <Firas> question.. i didn't install grub when i installed ubuntu, can i boot in via a linux live cd (like the ubuntu live cd?).. or do i need to install grub somewhere or other.
[01:42] <membreya> zenrox: I just said I only know HOW to do tvout with nvidia..not I DON'T know
[01:42] <Rebroad> randy: should i uninstall wine before using cedega?
[01:42] <black_Nightmare> airox...okie... see what I just said anyhow? ^ :p
[01:42] <turf> lytefyre: ok, thanks i;; try dpkg-query -l
[01:42] <zenrox> membreya,  ok hehehehe
[01:42] <stephen_> What i do at this WINE HQ?
[01:42] <randy> don't have to
[01:42] <lytefyre> turf : thanks !
[01:42] <geneo93> stephen_:  wine is inubuntu repositories
[01:42] <randy> they don't interfere
[01:42] <stephen_> i know
[01:42] <loaofwar3> hi i have a question about configuring network
[01:42] <stephen_> i installed wine
[01:43] <airox> loaofwar3: Hit us!
[01:43] <stephen_> so now what just tye wine americasarmy.exe?
[01:43] <randy> cedega is great for games b/c it has code for copywrited games
[01:43] <loaofwar3> i need to open up ports and do port forwarding
[01:43] <geneo93> stephen_:  man wine
[01:43] <Absenth> stephen_, I recomend you JFGI, or maybe even RTFM
[01:43] <airox> loaofwar3: You are using a firewall ?
[01:43] <stephen_> wtf is them both?
[01:43] <lytefyre> Firas : do u have any other OS's on ure comp ?
[01:43] <Firas> winxp..
[01:43] <loaofwar3> i have firestarter installed
[01:43] <stephen_> umm
[01:43] <urro71> hi @ll
[01:43] <stephen_> i type in JFGI
[01:43] <airox> loaofwar3: Then use firestarter to do the trick.
[01:43] <membreya> Firas: he said OS's, not viruses :P
[01:43] <stephen_> JUST FUCKING GOOGLE it is what comes up
[01:44] <Rebroad> man! whine!
[01:44] <airox> loaofwar3: Or use iptables directly.
[01:44] <airox> stephen_: calm down.
[01:44] <black_Nightmare> airox any comment on what I said about laptops? ;)
[01:44] <loaofwar3> how do i use firstarter tho
[01:44] <Firas> i don't want to overwrite the MBR because last time i did that i couldn't get into xp, so i installed without grub.. i want to install it to /dev/hda4 (the /boot partition i set up ) but my 'v' key is screwed :/ so i couldn't type that in during install
[01:44] <turf> loaofwar3: check out also smothwall
[01:44] <loaofwar3> i dont want a new firewall
[01:44] <airox> black_Nightmare: ubuntu works great on my laptop ;)
[01:44] <loaofwar3> i just want to make it work
[01:44] <randy> 13 yr old kid using that language...
[01:45] <airox> black_Nightmare: my tv-out is working on my laptop (which wouldn't with windows 2003)
[01:45] <stephen_> SO pay 5 bux for cedega?
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> airox... yeah... would be interesting to show them that their wifi access also works as well hehe :p
[01:45] <loaofwar3> how would i open up port 6881 and forward that port?
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> perhaps get someone curious about ubuntu that way
[01:45] <airox> black_Nightmare: every single hardware is working on my laptop.
[01:45] <randy> you can but don't have to
[01:45] <geneo93> randy:  i bet you did to just not in public
[01:45] <Absenth> stephen_, and you get access to all the documents, as well as the support forums that are cedega specific?
[01:45] <lytefyre> Firas : u cant ry installing grub onto a floppy and then use the floppy whenever u need to use ubuntu
[01:45] <stephen_> hmm
[01:45] <turf> how can i use my aiport in ubuntu? i can seem to  find the icon?
[01:45] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: it depends on your router settings.
[01:45] <stephen_> i dont make money
[01:45] <randy> huh?
[01:45] <stephen_> what happen if u dont pay
[01:45] <loaofwar3> ok my router gateway is 192.168.1.1
[01:45] <loaofwar3> linksys
[01:45] <Rebroad> stephen_: they send the FBI to arrest you
[01:45] <randy> you don't get prepackaged cedega
[01:45] <Firas> lytefyre: i don't have a floppy drive. how about a cd, would that do?
[01:46] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: you wanna look for a category called "Virtual Servers"
[01:46] <airox> black_Nightmare: Just make a list of all the hardware and after installing ubuntu grab the list and work it down step by step.
[01:46] <airox> Without giving up ;)
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> airox lol :p
[01:46] <Absenth> you don't get a login for the forums, you get to search for the documentation, and I'm not likely to help you with cedega much while in the ubuntu channel.
[01:46] <loaofwar3> where is that?
[01:46] <randy> you can get the cvs of cedega/point2play for free from the cvs tree
[01:46] <lytefyre> Firas : i guess u can try , i shud work actually
[01:46] <Firas> so what should i do?
[01:46] <stephen_> cvs?
[01:46] <stephen_> ok
[01:46] <airox> Why in hell do I see flying toasters and bread as a screensaver ? :S
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> hmm..damn... 31 100MB zips for $3cdn each...I need to go to this store and buy several
[01:46] <stephen_> i see it
[01:46] <oneifreak> stephen_: cvs lacks features though
[01:46] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: I have no idea; never worked with the router. You'll have to go into your router settings. Likely something like 10.0.0.2
[01:46] <membreya> anyone here know how to remove the MesaGL libraries? (they're currently being used as my OpenGL vendor and I want it to use nvidia)
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> airox... ROFLLLLLLLL thats 'after dark' .. was very common
[01:47] <lytefyre> Firas : grub-install cdrom-device
[01:47] <loaofwar3> i know how to do router settings
[01:47] <loaofwar3> but i dont kno how to open ports
[01:47] <airox> black_Nightmare: Seems like a waste of resources ;)
[01:47] <loaofwar3> how do u use firestarter?
[01:47] <loaofwar3> i need to open up port 6881
[01:47] <lytefyre> Firas : whats ure cdrom device ../dev/hda ??
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> airox..what you mean?  do you expect mointor burn-ins????
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> har
[01:47] <airox> Is there somet seti package for ubuntu ?
[01:47] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: Don't worry about firestarter... go into your router settings, and look for "Virtual Server"
[01:47] <membreya> airox: yes
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> airox..does seti have a linux version? if so then I guess YES :p
[01:48] <randy> should be /dev/hdc
[01:48] <loaofwar3> what is "virtual server" for?
[01:48] <Firas> lytefyre: well, if i boot into knoppix.. it's probably /dev/cdrom.. or something.. but i can type anything once i'm in a system (copy/paste characters etc.)
[01:48] <airox> membreya: Do you perhaps know the name of it ? apt-cache search seti doesn't show one.
[01:48] <loaofwar3> all i want is to make my ip address static in linux
[01:48] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: Port forwarding. :)
[01:48] <black_Nightmare> airox..I think its ratherly a manual download from the seti site itself
[01:48] <membreya> airox: setiathome.berkeley.edu it's called Boink :)
[01:48] <stephen_> wow
[01:48] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: I thought you wanted to forward your port?
[01:48] <stephen_> GO through all this to play bunch of games
[01:48] <loaofwar3> i do
[01:48] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: They are related, but are not the same.
[01:48] <Absenth> stephen_, if it's so hard, load up windows xp again.
[01:49] <loaofwar3> but i never heard of doing virtual servers
[01:49] <stephen_> NO!
[01:49] <airox> But it can be used as a screensaver can it ?
[01:49] <stephen_> i downlaoded cedega CVS
[01:49] <Firas> i tried doing grub-install /dev/hda4 in knoppix but it said it's a read-only file-system :(. i guess i should check out with teh knoppix folks
[01:49] <loaofwar3> i am expert in windows xp and can do it easily in win xp
[01:49] <stephen_> RTFM
[01:49] <loaofwar3> im new to ubuntu thats y i need help
[01:49] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: Well, I'm telling you that's the option to look for...
[01:49] <stephen_> I AM READING (R) the(t) Fucking(f) manual(m)
[01:49] <stephen_> :d
[01:49] <airox> Firas: grub-install /dev/hda ?
[01:49] <stephen_> :)
[01:49] <membreya> loaofwar3: expert in windows xp ? hehe ....I believe the term is oxymoron :)
[01:49] <airox> stephen_: We don't really care i guess.
[01:50] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: Forwarding ports has nothing to do with Ubuntu (you won't do it from there); it's to do with your router. Static IP is to do with Ubuntu, yes.
[01:50] <Absenth> stephen_, fastest way to learn anything in linux.
[01:50] <lytefyre> Firas : oops i dont think u can use grub-install to write to a cdrom   !!
[01:50] <loaofwar3> ok forget port forwarding then
[01:50] <loaofwar3> i need to make my ip address static
[01:50] <Rebroad> stephen_: actually the F stands for "frogging"
[01:50] <Firas> airox: i don't want to overwrite the MBR :( coz when i did that the win system didn't work anymore
[01:50] <Absenth> stephen_, chances are people aren't going to do anything for you if you don't do some research first.
[01:50] <loaofwar3> how would i check my ip address and how do i make it static?
[01:50] <loaofwar3> i want it to be 192.168.1.101
[01:50] <Firas> i guess i can make a windwos rescue disk and overwrite the mbr
[01:50] <airox> Firas: You can use a boot floppy and boot from that floppy (win98 startup or something) and do a fdisk /mbr
[01:51] <lytefyre> Firas : did u have an entry for windows ?
[01:51] <black_Nightmare> loaof...leave it on the same router port....done
[01:51] <stephen_> ya
[01:51] <stephen_> wokring
[01:51] <airox> Firas: You should however make an entry in grub config file.
[01:51] <turf> loaofwar3: then edit /etc/network/interface
[01:51] <Firas> lytefyre: yup.
[01:51] <stephen_> Nice
[01:51] <membreya> loaofwar3: to check your IP in a terminal type ifconfig -a
[01:51] <membreya> then edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:51] <Firas> the windows entry was there, but windows refused to start
[01:51] <lytefyre> Fieas : waht was grun complaing about then ?
[01:51] <Firas> hmm i forgot the exact error and whether it was a windows or grub issue.
[01:52] <Firas> i guess i can try again :/
[01:52] <IAmTheWalrus> argh
[01:52] <lytefyre> Firas : screen was just blank ?
[01:52] <turf> loaofwar3: man interface to know what entry to put
[01:52] <IAmTheWalrus> I still can't establish a connection between computer and ouse
[01:52] <lytefyre> FIras : did u atleast manage to get back to the menu once if failed to boot windows ?
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> airox one tough question for you ----
[01:52] <Firas> lytefyre: oh yeah.. just restarted
[01:52] <lytefyre> Firas : meaning it went back to the menu ?
[01:52] <Firas> oh no
[01:53] <airox> black_Nightmare: hit me
[01:53] <lytefyre> Firas : it rebooted all over again ?
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> espon stylus photo printer (usb plugged, it even has its own pcmcia slot for various memory cards) ... recoken any chance of just the basic printer part itself working with ubuntu? :p
[01:53] <Firas> it just stuck.
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> I can get the exact model if you want
[01:53] <Firas> so i had to manually reboot
[01:53] <lytefyre> hmmn
[01:53] <airox> black_Nightmare: I don't really know. I only have used samba shared printers.
[01:53] <geneo93> sounds to me like you dont have xp anymore
[01:53] <airox> no cups or something
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> oh hm blah....ty anyhow
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> would be nice to know since thats the printer that is hooked up to one laptop I'll like to try slap the livecd onto
[01:54] <Firas> lytefyre: i'm going to make a windows rescue cd and do the mbr overwrite again. and then do fdisk /mbr if things screw up again. :)
[01:54] <EfaistOs> why apache can't run php files ??
[01:54] <lytefyre> Firas : did u edit the grub file at all ??
[01:54] <airox> EfaistOs: Cause you have to config it.
[01:54] <Firas> lytefyre: no, i'm a total newbie
[01:55] <airox> EfaistOs: join #apache and ask say "php ?"
[01:55] <lytefyre> Firas: what i mean is when u installed ubuntu did it detect windows ?
[01:55] <airox> EfaistOs: You will then get some nice info about it.
[01:55] <Firas> lytefyre: yes.
[01:55] <turf> guys is apache and mysql, postgress included in ubuntu cd?
[01:55] <EfaistOs> airox, i did ... I modified thehttpd.conf to let him take the php pages ...
[01:55] <jasp> stephen_: enemy territority runs on linux, great game, free also.
[01:55] <airox> EfaistOs: What did you added ?
[01:55] <airox> turf: You can install them.
[01:55] <Firas> ubuntu detected windows, grub gave me an option to get into windows, it's just windows that refused to load. weird hm.
[01:56] <zenrox> jasp, and all the mods too etf, tc:e
[01:56] <airox> turf: Not included afaik.
[01:56] <turf> airox: from the cd?
[01:56] <lytefyre> Firas : yeah thats weird..
[01:56] <mgcross> hello all...
[01:56] <airox> turf: no.
[01:56] <lytefyre> Firas : do u remember the options ?
[01:56] <airox> hi mgcross
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> airox ~ at least...what do you think of this for the hoary preview livecd?  8x dvdrom (has to be 8x at its age I think), 128MB ram, 400-450mhz [unsure exactly he said] 
[01:56] <turf> airox: ic, so i need a large bandwidth for that
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> its a laptop yeah
[01:57] <Firas> it was just the default ubuntu installer, asked me whether all my OSes are listed (said yes), and should it write to the mbr (said yes)
[01:57] <airox> black_Nightmare: Sound doable!
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> toshbi satelle (don't see any model on it)
[01:57] <Firas> ok right now, i'm using a third party booloader (from partition magic)
[01:57] <airox> turf: Well, I don't know the exact sizes of the packages but you will indeed need to download them
[01:57] <Firas> if i do manage to install grub to /boot
[01:57] <mgcross> can anyone tell me proggy I can use to covert xvid/divx to mpeg for making vcd's?
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> airox...hmm ok..guess I'll have let this livecd finish downloading then we'll see about a cdr :p
[01:57] <airox> .
[01:57] <Firas> should i just boot into the /boot partition?
[01:57] <airox> black_Nightmare: It's worth to try imho ;)
[01:58] <zenrox> mgcross,  google it :0
[01:58] <black_Nightmare> airox..and hopefully picking up the pcmcia ethernet card too.... internet access :)
[01:58] <mgcross> I know I'm not exactly in the right place but I trust you guys and gals
[01:58] <lytefyre> Firas : yes
[01:58] <Firas> k
[01:58] <Firas> thanks
[01:58] <membreya> black_Nightmare: you are STILL getting that livecd? :\
[01:58] <Firas> and um
[01:58] <PacoBCN> dammit, right now that I wanted to restart X Azureus is downloading at 110kb/s
[01:58] <PacoBCN> :(
[01:58] <lytefyre> Firas : best of luck ! ;)
[01:58] <mgcross> zenrox...have done...it's a windows freaking world....<sigh>
[01:58] <randy> what's the news on a linux version of Macromedia flash mx 2004?
[01:58] <Firas> it doesn't matter what linux distro i run "grub-install" from?
[01:58] <zenrox> mgcross,  also look on www.sf.net
[01:58] <membreya> lol PacoBCN :P
[01:58] <Firas> like knoppix would do?
[01:58] <airox> PacoBCN: Some people only download with 20KB/s ;)
[01:58] <lytefyre> Firas: no it doesnt
[01:59] <black_Nightmare> membreya ~ LOL well I'm in canada so I guess I had to use a canada server :p
[01:59] <lytefyre> Firas : atleast i dont think it shud !
[01:59] <mgcross> zenrox, thanks for the tip!
[01:59] <black_Nightmare> 515MB at somewhere average of 385KB/Sec
[01:59] <WeirdAl> ...
[01:59] <black_Nightmare> 89% done downloading now
[01:59] <WeirdAl> I came here ... and then I forgot why.
[01:59] <Firas> k thanks
[01:59] <black_Nightmare> lol weirdal ~ sometimes I am a tad bit like that with stuffs too
[01:59] <membreya> black_Nightmare: shouldn't take you more than 5 - 10 mins >:(
[01:59] <black_Nightmare> not easy I guess
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> membreya... I just started a while ago :))
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> whats with you anyhow? :p
[02:00] <membreya> :P black_Nightmare bored and sleep deprived
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> brb for a while..another cdr to make soon
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> membreya.. LOL :p
[02:01] <mgcross> zenrox, <slaps forehead> OHHHH you mean source forge lol
[02:01] <zenrox> mgcross, yep
[02:01] <lytefyre> are there other programs beside apache that i can use to set up a web server ??
[02:01] <zenrox> sf.net is just easer to rember
[02:01] <airox> lytefyre: apt-cache search webserver
[02:02] <Mestapheles> hi
[02:02] <airox> hi Mestapheles
[02:03] <lytefyre> airox : i only see apace2-utils !
[02:03] <WeirdAl> ah well
[02:03] <WeirdAl> I'll remember why I came here...
[02:03] <Mestapheles> should one restrict to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after upgrading to hoary?  Or can one continue to apt-get dist-upgrade from hoary safely?
[02:03] <WeirdAl> And I'll be back :-)
[02:03] <airox> lytefyre: Did you altered /etc/apt/sources.list already ?
[02:03] <lytefyre> airox : nope
[02:03] <zenrox> Mestapheles,  its save to continue to do that
[02:04] <Mestapheles> apt-get dist-upgrade still reveils there is omre to upgrade to  Shouldn't apt-get upgrade to fullly upgrade, it seems to hold stuff back
[02:04] <airox> lytefyre: Check this out: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:04] <Rebroad> dist-upgrade never seemed to do anything more than an "upgrade" did for me
[02:05] <lytefyre> airox : thanks, will do
[02:05] <zenrox> but dist-upgrade gets kernel updates etc...
[02:05] <turf> airox: how about how to use aiport any ide?, coz im using a ibook laptop and it has a airpot how do i used this?
[02:05] <Rebroad> zenrox: ah.. i see
[02:05] <Rebroad> it would be nice to have an update-notifier for KDE...
[02:05] <randy> watch out w/dist-upgrade and hoary
[02:05] <airox> turf: An airport was just an access point ?
[02:05] <Mestapheles> sorry ..  Shouldn't apt-get update work to fully stay up to date now that I'm at hoary ?,it seems to hold stuff back
[02:06] <zenrox> Mestapheles, use dist-upgrade
[02:06] <zenrox> or use snyaptic
[02:06] <Rebroad> apt-get update only gets the latest list of updates. it doesn't do any upgrading
[02:06] <apokryphos> Rebroad: There was some talk of that not so long ago. Team has quite a bit at the mo to do, but I think it might be worth suggesting after Hoary final is out.
[02:06] <randy> the new stuff in the hoary repos aren't necessary stable
[02:06] <randy> (yet)
[02:07] <Mestapheles> aptget upgrade hold stuff back
[02:07] <zenrox> randy,  but about 10 days it will be
[02:07] <randy> i know
[02:07] <Mestapheles> 'cause apt-get dist-upgrade show there is more to upgrade to
[02:07] <randy> i'm waiting til then to upgrade
[02:07] <randy> b/c they are still doing work on it
[02:07] <turf> airox:im not sure, i think this use to connect to wifi not sure, let me check again
[02:07] <Mestapheles> oh
[02:08] <kkathman> evening all :)
[02:08] <airox> turf: Yeah it's used for wifi and afaik it uses the same standards then other wifi standards.
[02:08] <airox> evening kkathman
[02:08] <smouche> evening kkathman
[02:08] <randy> sleep well
[02:08] <Rebroad> wmhdplop is a good util :)
[02:08] <CarlK> any devs in here want to do forensics on a daily Hoary server install that just died
[02:08] <turf> airox: how can i edit this so i could use to connect to wifi?
[02:08] <kkathman> I got the following error:   checking for XML::Parser ...configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[02:09] <airox> turf: Edit what ?
[02:09] <kkathman> where do I do to fix this?
[02:09] <geneo93> bbl
[02:09] <Rebroad> right: I'm off to bed. 1:09am here
[02:09] <airox> kkathman: apt-get install libxml-parser-perl
[02:09] <kkathman> sorry...WHAT do I do to fix this
[02:09] <turf> kkathman: i think u have to insall xml-perl
[02:09] <kkathman> thank you guyz...I just didnt know the package name :)
[02:10] <airox> kkathman: apt-cache search eh! ;)
[02:11] <IAmTheWalrus> wtf
[02:11] <kkathman> airox : what does that do?
[02:11] <IAmTheWalrus> I got the mouse and computer connected, but the mouse isn't doing anythin
[02:11] <IAmTheWalrus> g
[02:11] <turf> airox: how can use aiport to connect to my wifi?
[02:11] <maddler> toc... toc... any nvidia user? :) pleeeeeease... :)
[02:11] <airox> kkathman: It searches in the repositories.
[02:11] <randy> i use nvidia
[02:11] <airox> turf: an airport is the access point ?
[02:11] <kkathman> thanx...it just installed fine I think
[02:12] <airox> turf: You know things about wifi network infrastructures ?
[02:12] <IAmTheWalrus> anybody know how to make a bluetooth mouse actually WORK?
[02:12] <IAmTheWalrus> and not just pretend like it's working
[02:12] <airox> hehe
[02:12] <airox> IAmTheWalrus: You have bluez-utils installed ?
[02:12] <IAmTheWalrus> yes
[02:12] <airox> Ok.
[02:13] <turf> airox: just a bit, so what ur trying to say is all i need is an sccess point then it will automatically connect?
[02:13] <IAmTheWalrus> also,, keep in mind I'm pretty noobish
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> ok hoary preview livecd created and done :)
[02:13] <airox> turf: You have an airport ?
[02:13] <turf> airox: access point i mean to connect?
[02:13] <airox> (apple hardware ...)
[02:13] <turf> airox: yap?
[02:13] <airox> yap ??
[02:14] <turf> yes its a apple hardware
[02:14] <airox> ok.
[02:14] <airox> Does the client computer has a wifi connection ?
[02:15] <turf> airox, yes
[02:15] <airox> And you want that computer to connect to the airport ?
[02:15] <turf> yes
[02:15] <airox> And the computer is running ubuntu ?
[02:15] <turf> yes
[02:15] <airox> Ok!
[02:15] <airox> Well ..
[02:15] <IAmTheWalrus> uh. airox, can you pm me steps on what to do (if you have any info for me)? I need to go cook catfish
[02:15] <airox> Does ubuntu see the wireless ethernet card ?
[02:16] <airox> turf: (You can check in a terminal with `iwconfig`)
[02:16] <turf> airox: ok let me try
[02:16] <turf> iwconfig is like pppconfig ryt?
[02:17] <randy> if the module for the wireless card intalled the driver correctly... it should show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[02:17] <airox> It will show you alle network devices and say if they are wireless capable.
[02:17] <turf> ic,
[02:17] <airox> s/alle/all/
[02:18] <turf> airox:now im enlighten, thanks!
[02:20] <waseem> hey do any of you know where i can get a nice easy to use/install mp3 ripper?
[02:21] <jdbolt> which distro of ubuntu do you have?
[02:21] <airox> waseem: apt-cache search mp3 ripper
[02:21] <waseem> me?
[02:21] <waseem> ok thanks
[02:21] <jdbolt> yeah
[02:21] <airox> waseem: apt-cache show jack
[02:21] <airox> for example.
[02:21] <jayeola> lame is great for ripping cds
[02:21] <jayeola> and so is grip
[02:22] <jdbolt> sound juicer comes with ubuntu hoary
[02:22] <waseem> thanks jayeola
[02:22] <funky> synaptic is deprecated in hoary ?
[02:22] <waseem> i already searched on synaptic
[02:22] <waseem> i didnt ifnd anything good
[02:23] <jdbolt> use sound juicer
[02:23] <jdbolt> its about as simple as you are gonna get
[02:23] <jdbolt> and it works
[02:23] <jdbolt> apt-get install sound-juicer
[02:24] <syn-ack> I like Sound Juicer. Great for those of us who are lazy
[02:24] <jdbolt> exactly
[02:24] <jdbolt> and it just works
[02:24] <jdbolt> which is always good :)
[02:24] <airox> yeah
[02:24] <waseem> k
[02:25] <jdbolt> i just downloaded vlc for my hoary amd64
[02:25] <jdbolt> works a treat
[02:25] <airox> hehe
[02:25] <jdbolt> it plays just about anything
[02:25] <jdbolt> none of that totem 'aint got the codecs' crap
[02:26] <waseem> ok for sound-juicer, its only ripping at 1.3x
[02:26] <hou5ton> anyone know what it takes to get the sounds working on xchat in hoary?
[02:26] <waseem> how do i get it to rip at the maximum speed?
[02:26] <hou5ton> i have the sounds chosen and all that ... just not working
[02:26] <hou5ton> but they work in Gaim
[02:27] <jdbolt> hmmm, you checked all the preferences in xchat
[02:27] <hou5ton> ya
[02:27] <geneo93> hou5ton:  try the mixer settings
[02:27] <waseem> any ideas how i can get sound-juicer to rip at the maximum speed?
[02:27] <jdbolt> i dont know how to change the speed in juicer
[02:28] <waseem> oh ok
[02:28] <jdbolt> maybe its too simple for you :)
[02:28] <waseem> heh oh well
[02:28] <waseem> im a little upset it doesnt rip mp3
[02:28] <waseem> but its ok
[02:28] <waseem> thanks for the help jdbolt
[02:28] <jdbolt> yeah
[02:29] <jdbolt> no worries
[02:30] <infidel> how do i apt-get software?
[02:32] <Fackamato> infidel: apt-get install package
[02:32] <apokryphos> infidel: I recommend using Synaptic if you're new.
[02:33] <funky> why synaptic is going to be removed when i try to upgrade from warty to hoary ?
[02:33] <geneo93> because it get upgraded as well
[02:34] <infidel> it doesn't show the package i want in synaptics
[02:34] <funky> geneo93, then it will must be showed in to-upgrade list
[02:34] <funky> not in remove list
[02:34] <geneo93> infidel:  then you dont have all the repositories enabled
[02:34] <smouche> funky, I believe your current synaptic will be replaced by new and improved one
[02:35] <funky> smouche, ok
[02:35] <hou5ton> geneo93:  hmmm ... what mixer?
[02:35] <geneo93> alsamixer
[02:35] <geneo93> just type it in terminal
[02:36] <hou5ton> ya ... i typed it in wrong ... twice in a row ... sorry
[02:36] <smouche> you'll also get a nifty automatic update notifier, funky.  (in gnome, anyway.  Not in kubuntu yet)
[02:36] <loaofwar3> hi i need help installing sudo apt-get install mozplugger
[02:37] <loaofwar3> i get an error message
[02:37] <loaofwar3> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:37] <loaofwar3> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:37] <loaofwar3> mozplugger is already the newest version.
[02:37] <loaofwar3> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[02:37] <loaofwar3> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:37] <apokryphos> infidel: what package are you looking for?
[02:37] <loaofwar3> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:37] <loaofwar3> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:37] <funky> smouche, yeah, i have read about it
[02:37] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: please don't flood the channel. :)
[02:37] <loaofwar3> o sorry
[02:38] <mhz> http://200.120.108.76/mhz/SystemInfo
[02:38] <geneo93> loaofwar3:  did you update
[02:38] <loaofwar3> yes
[02:38] <loaofwar3> it gives error too during update
[02:38] <hou5ton> geneo93:  that appears to be set properly ... although I didn't see how to change it if it wasn't
[02:38] <mhz> Ubuntu + Moin
[02:38] <geneo93> then you dont have all the repositories enabled
[02:38] <Mestapheles> exit
[02:38] <mhz> does anyone know why Ubuntu.org prefered other wiki and not MoinMoin?
[02:39] <loaofwar3> http://pastebin.com/262354
[02:39] <loaofwar3> i have all the repositories enabled
[02:39] <geneo93> hou5ton:  uparrow increase volume  down decrease m mute
[02:39] <loaofwar3> it just cant connect
[02:40] <loaofwar3> does this happen to anyone else?
[02:40] <loaofwar3> does apt-get update work for everyone else?
[02:40] <geneo93> yes
[02:40] <Firas> "/dev/hda4 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." <-- what might this mean in response to "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda7 /dev/hda4"?
[02:40] <loaofwar3> do you hav amd64 installed?
[02:40] <geneo93> depends where you are
[02:40] <loaofwar3> i am in usa
[02:40] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: you need to update your sources.list
[02:40] <airox> Firas: What are you doing!?!
[02:41] <loaofwar3> how can i do that
[02:41] <infidel> apokryphos, i'm looking for rcs
[02:41] <apokryphos> As of 02/08/2005, Ubuntu backports has officially moved to the UbuntuForums site. You will be redirected momentarily. Update your bookmarks & sources.list!
[02:41] <Firas> airox: i installed ubuntu without grub so.. installing grub to /boot partition from knoppix
[02:41] <loaofwar3> where did you get that message?
[02:42] <loaofwar3> that would explain why i get all the 404 errors
[02:42] <loaofwar3> whats the correct sources.list?
[02:42] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: By checking the location of the repos that failed. :)
[02:42] <maddler> heya apokryphos! :)
[02:42] <usual> kubuntu rocks
[02:42] <apokryphos> maddler: hi :)
[02:42] <apokryphos> usual: it sure does. :P
[02:43] <usual> :D
[02:43] <apokryphos> infidel: one sec
[02:43] <usual> kde 3.4 is sweet
[02:43] <mwylde> I'm having some trouble booting Ubuntu
[02:43] <usual> SOOO much faster
[02:43] <loaofwar3> is it better than gnome 210?
[02:43] <hou5ton> geneo93:  ok ... ya ... got all them set ... but no sounds in xchat ...  ... in the Settings>>Preferences>> the sound playing method is on Automatic .. just like Gaim
[02:43] <usual> loaofwar3: I was recently a big GTK gnome fan
[02:43] <usual> but kde 3.4 has fixed the issues I had with it
[02:43] <usual> very fast
[02:43] <mwylde> 3.4 is amazingly fast
[02:43] <apokryphos> infidel: are you on Warty?
[02:43] <usual> and functional
[02:43] <mwylde> no
[02:43] <mwylde> hoary
[02:43] <geneo93> hou5ton:  its beyond me then
[02:44] <loaofwar3> how would i update the sources.list?
[02:44] <loaofwar3> to the correct websites?
[02:44] <usual> for kubuntu?
[02:44] <infidel> apokryphos, yes
[02:44] <loaofwar3> no regular ubuntu
[02:44] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: please check the websites that those old links forward you to.
[02:45] <apokryphos> infidel: you need to enable the "Universe" repository.
[02:45] <loaofwar3> o ok
[02:45] <mwylde> I am presented with the boot screen, and when I press 'enter' I get an error message along the lines of 'the kernel could not uncompress'
[02:45] <infidel> apokryphos, i did, do i have to speel out the full name of the package or just the name
[02:46] <infidel> spell
[02:46] <loaofwar3> Err http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages
[02:46] <loaofwar3>   404 Not Found
[02:46] <loaofwar3> so i would just click that site?
[02:46] <mwylde> Is my iso corrupted?
[02:46] <apokryphos> infidel: make sure you do apt-get update first. Nope. Just rcs (if that's the exact package name) will install that package.
[02:46] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: yup.
[02:46] <infidel> apokryphos, ok
[02:47] <usual> what command would unrar an .rar file
[02:47] <usual> unrar 0x file.rar doesn't work
[02:47] <usual> -
[02:47] <apokryphos> usual: it should, but rar is available, too.
[02:47] <usual> apokryphos: that don't work either
[02:48] <apokryphos> What's the error message?
[02:48] <geneo93> its a newer rar file thats why
[02:48] <usual> no errors
[02:48] <geneo93> look in home dir then
[02:49] <no0tic> will luminocity be included in hoary?
[02:49] <crimsun> no
[02:50] <no0tic> crimsun: you're answering me?
[02:50] <crimsun> yes
[02:50] <mwylde> It's just a tech demo at this point
[02:50] <mwylde> Nothing even close to being a final product
[02:50] <mwylde> A very cool one, though
[02:50] <loaofwar3> apokryphos: you are GOD!
[02:50] <loaofwar3> thanks you SO MUCH!!
[02:50] <airox> Wauw, a god :)
[02:51] <no0tic> crimsun: 2nd question: will luminocity features be included in metacity?
[02:51] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: I promise I'm not. ;-) No problem.
[02:51] <crimsun> no0tic: not my call or my area, but I don't think so. What ever's in 2.10 is with what Hoary will ship.
[02:51] <usual> wtf
[02:52] <usual> this is gay
[02:52] <no0tic> crimsun: thanks
[02:53] <fissy> if you have unrar installed,  file-roller ought o be able to deal with rars usual
[02:54] <usual> fissy: it wont work, but it's ok I just found out what I was trying to use stopped being a opensource project
[02:54] <infidel> apokryphos, thanks, after doing the apt-get update it showed up in synoptics
[02:54] <usual> rm
[02:55] <fissy> whats the error message usual?
[02:55] <usual> fissy: I think whoever said it is a new rar was right, no useful error's, just that it fails
[02:56] <crimsun> usual: install rar from multiverse
[02:56] <crimsun> usual: then use 'rar e foo.rar'
[02:56] <usual> crimsun: doesn't work
[02:56] <loaofwar3> ok now i got another problem with repos
[02:56] <loaofwar3> ftp.nerim.net doesnt work for me
[02:56] <loaofwar3> Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages
[02:56] <loaofwar3>   Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[02:57] <crimsun> hmm
[02:57] <loaofwar3> i went to the site and it only has /debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386
[02:57] <loaofwar3> not binary-amd64
[02:58] <crimsun> loaofwar3: read the amd64 section at http://debian.video.free.fr/
[02:58] <loaofwar3> ok
[02:58] <crimsun> usual: does http://www.rarsoft.com/rar/rarlinux-3.4.1.tar.gz work?
[02:59] <fissy> are you sure the rar isn't just broken?
[02:59] <loaofwar3> nice thanks!
[03:02] <hayden> how can i check using apt if there are any new upgrades without downloading them
[03:03] <mwylde> I'm getting an error when I try to boot hoary: "Uncompressing Linux...
[03:03] <geneo93> hayden:  just say no
[03:03] <mwylde> invalid compressed format (err=1)
[03:03] <mwylde> then it stops
[03:03] <apokryphos> hayden: Pretty clear in synaptic, too, if you use that.
[03:04] <mwylde> Does anyone know what the problem is?
[03:04] <fissy> checked the md5sum of the disc?
[03:04] <mwylde> Is it a corrupted cd?
[03:04] <mwylde> no
[03:04] <mwylde> I'll do that
[03:04] <mario> is planner 0.13 on hoary?
[03:05] <declan> Hi all.  I have a wierd problem.  Since a recent upgrade, all of the KDE applications cause the system to sieze up entirely.  I can't do a thing.  I can't even restart x or open a terminal.  I have hoary with the kubuntu-desktop.  Any ideas?
[03:07] <hou5ton> ??  would it be a bad idea to go ahead and uncomment the "hoary-updates main restricted" lines in sources.list ... or should I wait until hoary is final?
[03:07] <declan> Mario, it's Planner 12.1 on this up-to-date hoary
[03:10] <siimo> hi how do i prevent dhcp in ubuntu from overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf on bootup
[03:10] <siimo> running hoary here
[03:12] <turf> ho to i disable ntp?
[03:12] <stephen_> Hi
[03:12] <turf> how to i disable ntp?
[03:13] <stephen_> I do Not KNow
[03:13] <stephen_> Sorry
[03:13] <crimsun> turf: did you install ntp-server?
[03:14] <turf> i mean during start up ntp is syncronizing my clock setting to ntp.ubuntulinux.org i want to disable
[03:14] <turf> i think so
[03:14] <crimsun> turf: sudo aptitude remove ntpdate
[03:14] <turf> where do i edit ntp?
[03:14] <siimo> turf, just remove ntpdate  :-/ thats what i did it
[03:14] <stephen_> how i get steam on ubuntu
[03:15] <siimo> cause it kept setting my clock 1 hr behind local time
[03:15] <siimo> ubuntu timeserver is broken
[03:15] <turf> but i'll be using it sync to our own ntp server, is it ok to remove it?
[03:15] <crimsun> siimo: your hardware clock is set to UTC?
[03:16] <siimo> crimsun, no and thats what i selected in the installer
[03:16] <crimsun> turf: ok, so you want to keep the program but prevent it from running at boot?
[03:16] <mwylde> the hashes are the same
[03:16] <turf> crimsun: yap!
[03:16] <crimsun> turf: then, sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[03:16] <crimsun> turf: you don't need to remove the package, just run the above command
[03:17] <siimo> crimsun, and since then my local time has changed only last week but havent bothered reinstalling ntp to check if ubuntus server is fixed it wasnt till 2 weeks ago
[03:17] <stephen_> how i get steam on ubuntu
[03:17] <turf> crimsun: got it thanks!
[03:17] <crimsun> siimo: have you informed Kamion of that issue in the installer?
[03:17] <mwylde> Since the hashes are the same (and thus not a corrupt file), does anyone knwo what the problem might be?
[03:18] <siimo> crimsun, what issue?
[03:18] <siimo> crimsun, i think its the time server's fault not installers, same thing happened on warty
[03:18] <hou5ton> ??  would it be a bad idea to go ahead and uncomment the "hoary-updates main restricted" lines in sources.list ... or should I wait until hoary is final?
[03:18] <crimsun> siimo: ah, ok.  So the _installer_ is fine.
[03:18] <turf> one more thing, how can i update my totem i can't run .dat files?
[03:18] <crimsun> hou5ton: you can track Hoary as it develops
[03:18] <siimo> yeah ntp.ubuntulinux.org or whatever was broken
[03:19] <geneo93> hou5ton:  wait till april 4
[03:19] <stephen_> how i get steam on ubuntu
[03:19] <crimsun> stephen_: www.transgaming.com
[03:19] <hou5ton> that sounds like two different answers ... but I may not understand the lingo   "tracking"
[03:19] <crimsun> hou5ton: tracking means to follow
[03:20] <hou5ton> what about the universe repositorys
[03:20] <crimsun> hou5ton: it's preferable to use universe as opposed to external non-ubuntu repos
[03:20] <siimo> what are runlevel 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 and S ?
[03:20] <stephen_> THank u!
[03:20] <siimo> thats what sysv-rc-conf shows
[03:20] <xenGlenn> I have an interesting one: how do I run a command in the terminal that forces an application to execute into a specific workspace?
[03:20] <crimsun> siimo: 1 is single, S is single, 0 is power off, 6 is reboot, 2-5 are multiuser
[03:21] <shmoolik> hello ppl and happy holy day :)
[03:21] <shmoolik> does any of ye good ppl know were thunderbird is installed?
[03:21] <turf> shmoolik: like wise!
[03:21] <siimo> crimsun, so if i want to turn off something i turn them all off? , what if i want to turn something back on
[03:22] <siimo> xorg-common is only on S
[03:22] <hou5ton> crimsun and geneo93: i have uncommented hoary universe and security universe ... that's fine I assume?
[03:22] <turf> crimsun: is there equivalent command for chkconfig?
[03:22] <crimsun> siimo: it only needs to be in S, because it only needs to run once (during boot), and S is invoked first during boot.
[03:22] <geneo93> yes
[03:22] <crimsun> turf: no, but there's roughly /etc/init.d/foo
[03:23] <turf> ok
[03:23] <crimsun> mwylde: what arch?
[03:23] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if all pci slots share one bandwith?
[03:23] <zenwhen> they do
[03:23] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: they all share the PCI bus, yes.
[03:24] <siimo> crimsun, so the ones that are in S are the only ones that load on boot ?
[03:24] <mwylde> x86
[03:24] <crimsun> siimo: /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/
[03:25] <crimsun> mwylde: install or live?
[03:25] <black_Nightmare> crimsun so.. 3 pci or one pci via 3-pci riser ... both perform the same I take it?
[03:25] <siimo> ok thanks
[03:25] <mwylde> install
[03:25] <crimsun> mwylde: have you run memtest86+ on the RAM?
[03:26] <mwylde> no
[03:26] <geneo93> maybe he dont have enough ram too
[03:26] <mwylde> I have 512mb
[03:26] <geneo93> thats enough
[03:27] <mwylde> I've run FC3, gentoo, and winXP on this computer
[03:27] <geneo93> its the media then
[03:27] <mwylde> ok
[03:27] <turf> any one have installed skype in ubuntu?
[03:27] <mwylde> I'll re-burn the file
[03:28] <geneo93> mwylde:  cant you check md5sum of cd
[03:28] <xenGlenn> I am meaning and wanting to install skype (running ubuntu)
[03:28] <IAmTheWalrus> anybody know how to make a bluetooth mouse talk to the computer? it says it's connected, but it won't do anything
[03:29] <stephen_> Hi
[03:29] <mwylde> geneo93: I'll do that
[03:29] <geneo93> mwylde:  what image is it
[03:29] <black_Nightmare> bye now crimsun ;)
[03:29] <mwylde> hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[03:30] <stephen_> question:
[03:30] <stephen_> Cedega..........................
[03:30] <stephen_> what
[03:30] <stephen_> whoops
[03:30] <stephen_> o ya
[03:30] <geneo93> anyone have that here so you can check md5sum
[03:30] <mwylde> I've already checked the md5 of the iso, and it's the same as on the website
[03:31] <stephen_> srry wrong place
[03:31] <stang> can someone tell me if I have an ipv6 problem?  I just downloaded hoary preview and was very impressed.  Everything worked perfect... until i did apt-get upgrade... now it looks as if the dns is never resolved.
[03:31] <geneo93> but the cd would give diff md5sum
[03:31] <crimsun> stang: the first thing you should inspect is whether /etc/resolv.conf looks sane
[03:31] <ryanpg> hola... I'm going to give ubuntu hoary preview a shot... can someone tell me what version of alsa is installed... or where I can find that info
[03:32] <crimsun> ryanpg: Hoary Preview uses Linux 2.6.10, so you have ALSA 1.0.6.
[03:32] <mwylde> I'm going to try reburning the iso
[03:32] <crimsun> ryanpg: universe has 1.0.8
[03:32] <ryanpg> crimsun, argh.. .not what I wanted to hear
[03:32] <crimsun> ryanpg: 1.0.8 not new enough?
[03:33] <ryanpg> crimsun, oh... "universe" is ubuntu-speak
[03:33] <stang> crimsun: ok... I'll switch back over and check it out, I use a little script I made to connect to my home wireless network with a static ip that works just fine in FC3 and did work just fine in hoary... then after updating, all went to hell
[03:33] <crimsun> 1.0.9rc2 was only out today.
[03:33] <ryanpg> crimsun, I thought you meant "everyone else has 1.0.8"
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> I wonder how likely it is that the gnome people would actually try to write an allocator.
[03:33] <crimsun> ryanpg: no, universe means 1.0.8 is available to you.
[03:33] <IAmTheWalrus> wtf
[03:33] <IAmTheWalrus> blue
[03:33] <ryanpg> crimsun, got it now
[03:33] <IAmTheWalrus> the hell are you doing here
[03:34] <crimsun> he's a virus.
[03:34] <crimsun> the pax virus.
[03:34] <IAmTheWalrus> I was aware of that
[03:34] <bluefoxicy> I suggested that it's really a good idea to move away from the friggin' heap design of malloc() and new[]  because the heap does NOT WORK FOR FUCKING LARGE MEMORY AREAS
[03:34] <IAmTheWalrus> I know blue
[03:34] <bluefoxicy> it worked when we had 640k of ram
[03:34] <IAmTheWalrus> I want to punch him
[03:34] <bluefoxicy> it doesn't work now.
[03:34] <bluefoxicy> who the hell are you anyway?
[03:34] <IAmTheWalrus> I am the walrus
[03:34] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: I presume you're active in u-h?
[03:35] <IAmTheWalrus> feh, I'll swallow my pride
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> uh?
[03:35] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: (since ranting about it in the general support channel is going to be ... less than productive ;)
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> there's a #ubuntu-hardened now?
[03:35] <IAmTheWalrus> Blue, know anything about making bluetooth devices work?
[03:35] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: I meant the project, generally.
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> ah
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> not really active
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> more a PR guy
[03:36] <IAmTheWalrus> answer the question
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> I'm the guy who tries to convince everyone of why we all NEED extra security.
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> walrus:  no
[03:36] <IAmTheWalrus> or I'll devour your loved ones
[03:36] <IAmTheWalrus> ok
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction  :>
[03:37] <micahf> is there a ppc ubuntu channel?
[03:37] <micahf> because I have a new powerbook and the trackpad definitely doesn't work
[03:37] <micahf> I also can't find drivers for my video card, but I'm less hopeful about that
[03:37] <micahf> anyone?
[03:38] <helio7> I need a reminder how to find the video card this machine has so I can install the appropriate driver to get better framerates...  can anyone tell me the command?
[03:38] <micahf> don't use a command
[03:38] <micahf> use the device manager program
[03:38] <micahf> under x
[03:39] <helio7> ok micahf thanks
[03:39] <micahf> should be right at the top of the list
[03:39] <helio7> oh yeah micahf thanks =P
[03:39] <PacoBCN> bluefoxicy, interesting page
[03:39] <PacoBCN> bluefoxicy, having a look
[03:40] <bluefoxicy> PacoBCN:  note that I point out how bad an idea having a heap is
[03:40] <micahf> helio7 or pacoBCN, do you know of a ubuntu powerpc channel?
[03:40] <micahf> bluefoxicy ^^^
[03:40] <micahf> you too!
[03:40] <PacoBCN> micahf, no, sorry
[03:40] <caffinated> micahf: didn't you just ask that?
[03:40] <helio7> micahf: no I don't
[03:40] <bluefoxicy> the heap is an abstraction of pretty much an area of memory which grows and shrinks
[03:40] <bluefoxicy> and is manipulated by an allocator
[03:40] <bluefoxicy> we don't need that.
[03:40] <micahf> caffinated, nobody said "no, I don't" so I asked again
[03:41] <caffinated> micahf: no, i don't know.
[03:41] <micahf> :D
[03:41] <micahf> thanks
[03:41] <bluefoxicy> we can use mmap() segments functioning as a bunch of independent heaps.  Due to the massive potential for memory fragmentation-- heap fragmentation being very performance damaging-- this is better.
[03:41] <caffinated> as far as i know there isn't one.
[03:41] <geneo93> micahf:  google it
[03:41] <micahf> yea I am
[03:41] <micahf> can't find one
[03:41] <geneo93> then there aint one
[03:41] <PacoBCN> Firefox consumes an enormous amount of memory...
[03:42] <PacoBCN> I find some times around 250Mb of mem
[03:42] <micahf> well then someone in here must be on ppc
[03:42] <caffinated> the unfortunate thing for you is that PC users outnumber mac users on an order of magnitude.  you'll probably have a hard time finding PPC specific help.
[03:42] <micahf> ooh, I dunno
[03:42] <helio7> so I've heard it said that the unofficial ubuntuguide is warty-oriented... do you think I'd be safe using the same install procedure for nvidia drivers??
[03:42] <micahf> hi nis
[03:42] <caffinated> nis: there ya go, then you can help him ;)
[03:42] <micahf> nis: you wouldn't happen to be on a powerbook would you?
[03:42] <nis> micahf: nope. iMac G4.
[03:42] <Absenth> PacoBCN, you're right.  on my slow computer, I started using Dillo, for everything I can.  If I can't view a site, I'll launch Firefox for that page only.
[03:43] <PacoBCN> helio7, if I'm not wrong only the name of packages changes, the rest is ok
[03:43] <micahf> nis: have you gotten hardware acceleration to work?
[03:43] <nis> micahf: I run the benh kernel here.
[03:43] <micahf> oh
[03:43] <PacoBCN> Absenth, yes, it's hard to admit but it has better performances under Windows
[03:43] <helio7> ty PacoBCN
[03:43] <nis> micahf: and GEforce2MX vid
[03:44] <xenGlenn> What's a decent soft-firewall to use? Is fs-security.com any good?
[03:44] <Absenth> nis, micahf, I don't suppose either of you know if the Airport Extreeme can be put into monitor mode when using something other then OSX?
[03:44] <micahf> nis: ahh, so then my radeon is probably a little big different
[03:44] <micahf> absenth, there aren't any drivers for it
[03:44] <Absenth> PacoBCN, Firefox runs like crap on OSX also.  I use Safari for most browsing on the mac.
[03:44] <nis> Absenth: I don't have airport here, sorry.
[03:44] <Absenth> micahf, danke.  that answers my question.
[03:44] <micahf> absenth: the company that makes the chipset won't release specs
[03:44] <Bicchi> how easy is to upgrade ubuntu, for example upgrading the kernel?
[03:44] <stang> crimsun: no problems now... thanks
[03:44] <micahf> absenth, you should sign a petition
[03:45] <Fackamato> Bicchi: as easy as apt-get install kernelversion
[03:45] <helio7> Does anyone know of a program that can get audacity to export as rm or swf?  I have some problems getting mp3 to stream to a school behind a filterwall, so I was going to re-encode it to a different format that wasn't blocked but I'm having a hard time locating an app to do so
[03:45] <micahf> absenth, because that no-driver problem has been driving me absolutely nuts recently
[03:45] <siimo> can someone verity this bug is not fixed yet?
[03:45] <nis> micahf: my impression is that everyone uses the framebuffer.  However ur vid hdwe is detected precisely (dmesg says the name of the exact vid card u run).
[03:45] <Absenth> micahf, shrug, I can use my prism2 usb, for that.
[03:45] <siimo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4918
[03:45] <Bicchi> Fackamato: so that does the trick
[03:45] <mdz> csj: which packages did you remove?
[03:45] <micahf> aw
[03:45] <micahf> ok
[03:45] <PacoBCN> Absenth, it's very frustrating since I was a big supporter of Firefox until I switched to Linux
[03:46] <Absenth> micahf, actually, I've found KisMac to do a pretty good job.
[03:46] <mdz> csj: you need xresprobe, discover1, and a number of others for the detection to work properly
[03:46] <micahf> nis: so I probably can't do 3d acceleration?
[03:46] <csj> mdz: I remove most packages and keep these in bootstrap script
[03:46] <Absenth> PacoBCN, I still use it on the faster linux machines at home and work.  it's just this one runs lik crap.
[03:46] <mdz> csj: I don't recommend removing packages from the live CD unless you can be certain they aren't needed
[03:46] <Absenth> PacoBCN, this is a P2 266 w192mb of ram.  Running Warty/XFCE
[03:46] <csj> mdz: ok, I try to install them, thanks :)
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Absenth, I only use Firefox, indeed, but I'm not so happy anymore.
[03:47] <mdz> csj: at a minimum: xresprobe, discover1, mdetect
[03:47] <Absenth> PacoBCN, I was astounded to see gnome-terminal takes 9% of the cpu idle.
[03:47] <nis> micahf: I have no idea about that.   I can say the vid hdwe here performs adequately.
[03:47] <csj> mdz: ok, thanks a lot
[03:47] <Absenth> idle as in, not doing anything, just having it open.
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Absenth, my laptop is a 512Mb Ram Pentium IV with 64Mb Video  and still you see how it slows down the entire sys.
[03:48] <Absenth> PacoBCN, now, on the Athlon xp 2400, and the 1900+ with 1gb and 512mb respetivly, firefox seems to run as well there as it did on windows.
[03:48] <nis> micahf: there's entire systems (web site networks) concerned with Linux-powerpc.
[03:48] <Absenth> PacoBCN, which kernel version are you runing?  Arch Specific, or the 386?
[03:48] <PacoBCN> 386
[03:49] <Absenth> PacoBCN, I saw a pretty decient boost in performance loading the K7 kernels on those two machines.
[03:49] <bluefoxicy> PacoBCN:  firefox for me starts with 40M and winds up at 100; closing all tabs leaves it at 100.
[03:49] <bluefoxicy> my design would allieviate that, or attempt to.
[03:49] <bluefoxicy> not 100% effectively of course
[03:49] <PacoBCN> Absenth, well, being Intel proc. there's not much I can do
[03:49] <bluefoxicy> but it should be more efficient at cleaning up after memory usage spikes.
[03:49] <micahf> nis: I know, I'm just new to mixing kernels and stuff
[03:50] <Absenth> PacoBCN, You could fire up the 686 specific kernel.
[03:50] <micahf> nis: like I have no idea how you are using benh's kernel
[03:50] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: p4 with hyperthreading enabled?
[03:50] <Fackamato> then use the 686-smp
[03:50] <Fackamato> otherwise 686
[03:50] <nis> micahf: I bootstrapped this machine with Yellow Dog.
[03:50] <Absenth> Fackamato, Even better idea if he's got HT.
[03:50] <micahf> nis: I see
[03:50] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, never heard of it.
[03:50] <micahf> nis: I've never bootstrapped before
[03:50] <Absenth> PacoBCN, how fast of a P4 is it?
[03:50] <PacoBCN> All suggestions for speeding up my sys will be welcome :)
[03:50] <micahf> nis: the hardest thing I've done is install gentoo
[03:51] <PacoBCN> Absenth, 2.8
[03:51] <Absenth> PacoBCN, It might have hyper threading.....
[03:51] <micahf> nis: on a firewire drive though, which was pretty tough at the time
[03:51] <micahf> nis: don't know if things have improved for booting firewire
[03:51] <nis> micahf: well gentoo does sync the correct kernel source IIRC.
[03:51] <micahf> nis: but that was a pretty sweet hack back then
[03:51] <micahf> yea I know
[03:51] <micahf> ubuntu doesn't
[03:51] <nis> micahf: firewire detected here but I've nothing to test it with. ;)
[03:52] <PacoBCN> This is what cat /proc/cpuinfo tells:
[03:52] <PacoBCN> processor : 0
[03:52] <PacoBCN> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
[03:52] <PacoBCN> cpu family : 15
[03:52] <PacoBCN> model : 2
[03:52] <PacoBCN> model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[03:52] <PacoBCN> stepping : 9
[03:52] <PacoBCN> cpu MHz : 2794.667
[03:52] <PacoBCN> cache size : 512 KB
[03:52] <PacoBCN> fdiv_bug : no
[03:52] <PacoBCN> hlt_bug : no
[03:52] <PacoBCN> f00f_bug : no
[03:52] <PacoBCN> coma_bug : no
[03:52] <PacoBCN> fpu : yes
[03:52] <PacoBCN> fpu_exception : yes
[03:52] <Absenth> membreya, I've got a bunch of AMD machines at home, and no HT pentium IV's  its an easy technology to overlook.
[03:52] <PacoBCN> cpuid level : 2
[03:52] <PacoBCN> wp : yes
[03:52] <PacoBCN> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
[03:52] <PacoBCN> bogomips : 5554.17
[03:52] <crimsun> PacoBCN: please flood in #flood, thanks.
[03:52] <PacoBCN> Absenth, is that a feature that speeds up the performances?
[03:52] <nis> micahf: my impression is there's no special ubuntu support for powerpc, above and beyond debian upstream.
[03:53] <crimsun> nis: there aren't many ppc folks, unfortunately
[03:53] <shank_> bluefoxicy, you can't use top or ps or whatever as an indication of wheater an app free's its memory
[03:53] <stephen_> how do i save and exit something in ubuntu from terminal?
[03:53] <stephen_> i opened sudo nano /etc/modutils/aliases and did some tweaking but how do i exit it ?
[03:53] <Absenth> PacoBCN, the cpu "Acts" like a dual cpu system.  with HT the system will multitask quite a bit better.
[03:53] <stephen_> it says ^X
[03:53] <stephen_> wtf is that
[03:53] <Absenth> PacoBCN, you can install the updated kernel from synaptic, or with apt-get
[03:53] <stephen_> How do i exit?
[03:53] <nis> stephen_: control x
[03:53] <stephen_> thank u
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  I wrote an app to test
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  it allocated a bunch of 16 byte segments and made 100M of allocations total
[03:54] <nis> stephen_: the caret symbol (^) is standard for 'control'
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> then freed all but the highest
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> and slept for 15 seconds
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> during which time it held 100M RSS
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> then it freed everything and slept again
[03:54] <dle> Hi everyone.  About today's cdrecord update.  The version that would be installed from warty-security is shown as yada-yada-1ubuntu2.2.  However, I already have a version called same-yada-1ubuntu3 installed from warty-updates.  So, am I 'safe' with that one, or should I jump back to the one from -security?
[03:54] <micahf> nis: yea I am using ubuntu because I'm lazy
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> during which time it had minimal RSS
[03:54] <micahf> I should probably install gentoo though
[03:55] <micahf> gentoo is my favorite favorite linux
[03:55] <micahf> because the package system is source based
[03:55] <shank_> bluefoxicy, my point is, the kernel doesn't reclaim memory allocated from the heap as soon as its freed
[03:55] <Absenth> I think Portage is a cheep, underpowered knockoff of Ports :)
[03:55] <nis> micahf: I'm using ubuntu because um I am used to dselect/dpkg.
[03:55] <DakPowers> I recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Is there a cure for this?
[03:55] <PacoBCN> Absenth, sorry for bothering, you don't know the name of the packs, do you? I don't see more than the kernel-headers installed in my pc
[03:55] <shank_> you simply can't use top or ps as a rigirouse method of determinging if an app calls free
[03:55] <Absenth> PacoBCN, one second.
[03:56] <micahf> nis: yea I'm used to apt-get :D aka lazy
[03:56] <crimsun> PacoBCN: linux-image-foo, linux-headers-foo
[03:56] <Absenth> Did we determind if PacoBCN's processor had HT?
[03:56] <orko> is it necessary to create a seperate /boot partition (Warty 4.10) ?
[03:56] <crimsun> orko: no
[03:56] <ewhitten> orko: nope
[03:56] <orko> ta
[03:56] <PacoBCN> Absenth, I didn't detemine anything, at least :)
[03:56] <ewhitten> beat me to it.
[03:56] <nis> micahf: I chroot into gentoo from inside ubuntu also.
[03:56] <PacoBCN> crimsun, thanks
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  right
[03:57] <DakPowers> Anyone?
[03:57] <DakPowers> I didn't know if this was a common problem
[03:57] <nis> DakPowers: can  u get a terminal?
[03:57] <crimsun> PacoBCN: does /proc/cpuinfo tell you 2 cpus?
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  but if you free the memory at the end of the heap, the allocator will brk() the heap down and the kernel will reclaim it.
[03:57] <caffinated> orko: it's generally a good idea as a precaution because you can have it automaticly unmount after the boot process is done.
[03:57] <ewhitten> I've still yet to determine why my amd64 box locks up spontaneously in linux.
[03:57] <micahf> nis: I never figured out the exact concept of chrooting
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  if the heap isn't brk()ed down, it never shrinks.
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> kernel never touches it.
[03:57] <micahf> nis: but I know that sounds awesome
[03:57] <stang> Is there a command that I can use to put dns servers in resolv.conf without editing manually (this will go into a script)?
[03:57] <nis> micahf: I think it's kinda insecure myself but it's great in a pinch.
[03:58] <Absenth> crimsun, I don't think it showed a CPU1
[03:58] <PacoBCN> crimsun, don't find anything like that
[03:58] <DakPowers> I recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Is there a cure for this?
[03:58] <orko> caffinated: thats a really interesting option, thanks
[03:58] <crimsun> PacoBCN: then you want linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[03:58] <micahf> nis: can you completely change to another system without rebooting that way?
[03:58] <PacoBCN> crimsun, cool, thanks
[03:58] <nis> stang: edit the 'tail' file (it's a kludge tho)
[03:58] <PacoBCN> I always thought I needed the 386
[03:58] <crimsun> PacoBCN: that's the catch-all
[03:59] <pvoce> has anyone else had problems with nvidia driver settings staying resident after reboot?
[03:59] <stang> DakPowers, what resolution is your old monitor capable of?  I ran into that once...
[03:59] <stang> thanks nis
[03:59] <nis> micahf: no. you mount proc inside the jail and then chroot to it.
[03:59] <Absenth> PacoBCN, if you're running warty, you're probibly looking for something like "kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686
[03:59] <shank_> bluefoxicy, so what are you suggesting, that firefox should free its memory in some specific fashion?
[03:59] <PacoBCN> No, I'm running hoary
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  absolutely not.
[03:59] <shank_> then what's this "my design"?
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  I'm suggesting glibc be rewritten with a new allocator to back malloc() and new[] 
[04:00] <DakPowers> stang: It's a new monitor, capable of 1280x1024... But I only set it to accept 1024x768 and under
[04:00] <PacoBCN> But I'm affraid that if I install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 I'll have problems at boot
[04:00] <Absenth> PacoBCN, then you'll look for something that's like kernel-image-2.6.10-5-686 or along those lines.
[04:00] <micahf> nis: I see
[04:00] <Absenth> PacoBCN, I don't have hoary on anything I can look at at the moment.  the pc running it is in SWG :)
[04:00] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  one which uses mmap() segments to allocate reasonable chunks of memory to manage, instead of using the heap and brk() to try to manage a continuous, fragmented area of memory possibly gigabytes wide.
[04:00] <DakPowers> Any suggestions?
[04:01] <stang> DakPowers: Then that's not your problem... I once used an old old old IBM monitor and Red Hat used too large of a resolution by default.
[04:01] <stang> But this isn't your problem
[04:01] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  allocating everything by mmap() is evil as well, btw.  Allocating a big 4M chunk by mmap() and making it share multiple pieces of memory as requested by malloc() allows you to free that chunk when it's empty
[04:01] <PacoBCN> Absenth, thanks, it's just because I remember once I upgraded the kernel, created a new entry in grub and couldn't boot with the new one
[04:01] <nis> micahf: mount -t proc none /mnt/hda5/proc && chroot /mnt/hda5 /bin/bash (where hda5 is the gentoo volume u could boot directly into from yaboot)
[04:01] <DakPowers> But I only set it to accept 1024x768 during installation, it'll still do larger?
[04:01] <stang> I'm learning like you... one of these other guys will have your answer though... just get their attention
[04:01] <stang> No, I think your resolution is fine
[04:01] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  so 1 segment per 4M, rather than 1 segment per allocation (a bad alternative to the current design) or 1 giant heap per everything in the universe (the horrid current design)
[04:02] <DakPowers> Anyone else ever have resolution problems?
[04:02] <DakPowers> Thanks, though, stang :)
[04:02] <stang> Not a problem... it was worth a shot :-)
[04:02] <shank_> bluefoxicy, you actually discussed this with anyone that has a clue? instead of #ubuntu?
[04:02] <stephen_> Should i upgrade the defualt Ubuntu Firefox to the latest?
[04:02] <PacoBCN> Absenth, so I will probably wait until next fresh installation, when Hoary will be release, but opens a window of hope in performances to know that it might speed up with this specific kernel
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  no.  :)  my last design was way overboard, so I toned this one down
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> we won't go into that, it's complex and insane
[04:03] <stephen_> Should i upgrade the defualt Ubuntu Firefox to the latest?
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> and while a good idea, not practical.
[04:03] <shank_> bluefoxicy, then goe use that intellect todo some good instead of just trying to look smart in #ubuntu
[04:03] <Absenth> PacoBCN, nod nod.
[04:03] <nis> micahf: http://penguinppc.org/kernel/
[04:03] <stephen_> Can i upgrade the defualt ubuntu firefox installation?
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  I posted stuff all the hell over the gnome wikipage for MemoryReduction.  Somebody with half a clue will see it.
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> shank_:  I could post to redhat's bugzilla but they'll be like *eyesroll*
[04:04] <DakPowers> I recently installed Ubuntu on my old desktop and when everything's done and installed, I see a black screen... I can type in my name and pass and hear the OS start up, but it displays nothing... Has this happened to anyone?
[04:05] <micahf> yea I have no love for red hat either man
[04:06] <infidel> DakPowers, can you startx
[04:07] <PacoBCN> Absenth, so, might this also add powernowd feature?
[04:07] <nis> micahf: they say the benh trees are dead as of Dec 2004.
[04:07] <Absenth> PacoBCN, not sure what you're asking.
[04:07] <micahf> nis: why is that?
[04:07] <stephen_> Howdy!
[04:08] <stephen_> I LOVE U GUYS
[04:08] <nis> micahf: he has a life? ;)
[04:08] <stephen_> ubuntu make me old hardware usefull
[04:08] <DakPowers> startx? If it has to do with the OS, it disappears as soon as it loads
[04:08] <micahf> nis: hey now, we all have lives
[04:08] <nis> micahf: http://ppckernel.org/tree.php?id=3
[04:08] <micahf> nis: I'm sure benh is just getting married or something
[04:08] <infidel> DakPowers, what errors?
[04:09] <PacoBCN> Absenth, I'm running Ubuntu in a laptop and seems it doesn't have powernowd. I'm just wondering if switching to 686 could add it.
[04:09] <PacoBCN> Absenth, but don't worry, I'll find out
[04:09] <Absenth> PacoBCN, ok..  :)
[04:09] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: apt-get install powernowd
[04:09] <Fackamato> :)
[04:09] <DakPowers> infidel: I install Ubuntu Warty. As soon as the installation is over and the OS starts up (where it should be the name: pass:) screen, the monitor doesn't display anything... It goes into "monitor is ok, check cables" mode
[04:09] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, it is installed
[04:10] <infidel> DakPowers, wow
[04:11] <DakPowers> As if it's trying to put up a resolution that my monitor doesn't support
[04:11] <PacoBCN> but I'm having problems when executing it
[04:11] <PacoBCN> that's why I asked
[04:11] <DakPowers> But I only choose 1024, 800 and 600, and I know my monitor can take all of those
[04:11] <stang> DakPowers, i think there's an argument you can pass to the kernel when booting to tell it what resolution
[04:11] <stang> have you tried that?
[04:12] <geneo93> DakPowers:  try vesa till you get update
[04:12] <DakPowers> What do you mean, geneo93?
[04:12] <DakPowers> And stang, I'm not sure
[04:12] <infidel> DakPowers, sounds about right does it start to load the os?
[04:13] <geneo93> the xserver driver vesa
[04:13] <orko> if u create / as partition 1, and /boot as partition 2, would u still set / as 'bootable
[04:13] <DakPowers> Yeah, it loads everything, you can hear the sounds... I blindly type in my name/pass and it starts up
[04:13] <hayden> how can i make an icon of a samba share appear on the desktop when i mount a samba share? im using kubuntu
[04:13] <infidel> DakPowers, you running grub?
[04:14] <tomcat> ANyone know how to access a windows share? I can see the computers, but can't connect to them!
[04:14] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: what problems?
[04:14] <Fackamato> try sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd restart
[04:14] <PacoBCN> This is not flood:
[04:14] <hayden> tomcat: samba, www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:14] <PacoBCN> PowerNowd encountered and error and could not start.
[04:14] <PacoBCN> Please make sure that:
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - You are running a v2.5/v2.6 kernel or later
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - That you have sysfs mounted /sys
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - That you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace
[04:14] <PacoBCN>    modules loaded into your kernel
[04:14] <geneo93> xf86config  try that and see if you can use vesa
[04:14] <PacoBCN>  - That you have the cpufreq driver for your cpu loaded,
[04:14] <PacoBCN>    and that it works. (check dmesg for errors)
[04:15] <ewhitten> gahh pastebin.
[04:15] <PacoBCN> ok, ok, sorry
[04:15] <ewhitten> no problem.  just a friendly notice. :)
[04:16] <DakPowers> Yes, infidel
[04:16] <micahf> so I just heard that someone eating at wendy's bit in to part of a finger
[04:16] <micahf> on the news
[04:16] <micahf> meaning that it's true
[04:17] <micahf> it really happened
[04:17] <ewhitten> don't eat the chili.
[04:17] <infidel> DakPowers, try booting into console mode
[04:17] <tomcat> Hayden: I've been all over the ubuntu guide site, and still have no idea. and those instructions there are for connection from windows to a windows share on the linux box, not the other way around
[04:17] <micahf> someone's finger got cut off while they were processing the low grade beef
[04:17] <hayden> Mount network folder
[04:17] <hayden>  $ sudo mkdir /media/sharename
[04:17] <hayden>  $ sudo mount //192.168.0.1/linux /media/sharename/ -t smbfs -o username=myusername,password=mypassword
[04:17] <micahf> which I feel is somewhat gross
[04:17] <geneo93> ewhitten:  where do you think you are
[04:17] <hayden> that was taken from ubuntuguide
[04:18] <hayden> tomcat: make sure u have 'samba' and 'smbfs' installed
[04:19] <tomcat> Hayden: I do... and when you say sharename, that's the name of the windows share, not the computer doing the sharing?
[04:19] <hayden> yea
[04:20] <hayden> 192.168.0.1 is the ip of the computer the samba share u want to access is on, linux is the name of the samba share, /media/sharename is the local folder where the share will be mounted to
[04:21] <stang> infidel: to boot into console mode, you just add init 3 to the end of the kernel, right?
[04:21] <tomcat> Hayden: so there's no way to connect to a windows computer and browse to see what shares there are? I'm trying to connect through gnome>places>network servers... but I think this one point is what's hanging me.
[04:22] <micahf> so who's going to eat at wendy's any time soon?
[04:22] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: do you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace ?
[04:22] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: and is sysfs mounted?
[04:22] <ewhitten> micahf:  me.
[04:23] <hayden> tomcat: that doesn't actually 'mount' the share just lets you see what is there
[04:23] <wiBo> Hi, im download ubuntu hoary :)
[04:23] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, unfortunately I can't tell you. :S
[04:23] <robl^> is there an ubuntuguide for hoary? or at least a list of "extra repositories" for the new version?
[04:23] <mdz> robl^: extra repositories containing what?
[04:23] <mdz> wiBo: welcome :-)
[04:23] <tomcat> Hayden: so there's no way to connect to a windows computer and browse to see what shares there are?
[04:23] <hayden> tomcat: i've found when i used gnome>places>network servers-- that some programs like xmms won't run files from there
[04:24] <hayden> yea there is
[04:24] <wiBo> mdz, i'm on gentoo now, but can i keep my /home and /etc ?
[04:24] <wiBo> and keep my windows :P
[04:24] <mdz> wiBo: /home, yes, but not /etc
[04:24] <tomcat> I thought samba was... simpler than this.
[04:24] <SysFail> samba is rough
[04:24] <hayden> ya
[04:24] <SysFail> use webmin to make it easier
[04:24] <wiBo> mdz, i don't want to remake my config files lol, i'll tar it :P
[04:24] <wiBo> 123 mg in 3 min :P
[04:24] <tomcat> Improving samba's usability would help make many more linux converts
[04:25] <robl^> mdz:  containing things like extra codecs, dvd player, etc..
[04:25] <tomcat> but I'll figure this out eventually, like the rest of it.
[04:25] <ewhitten> robl^:  that's all in the ubuntuguide
[04:25] <hayden> there was a command line statement which shows you all the shares on a computer
[04:25] <tomcat> DIdn't know I'd have to know the ip address of the windows machine and all that...
[04:25] <hayden> but i've forgotten it
[04:25] <ewhitten> hayden:  smbclient -L <ip>
[04:25] <Rocha> Hello, what can i do to make ipod shuffle work?
[04:26] <hayden> yea thats it
[04:26] <robl^> ewhitten: yes..  but the guide is for wartty. I am looking to see if there is an update for hoary :)
[04:26] <membreya> does anyone know how to override mesagl with nvidia's GL?
[04:26] <robl^> ..or if I can use the same ones
[04:26] <ewhitten> robl^:  I used the same ones.
[04:26] <Rocha> I thought it was just a regular usb pen drive, and ubuntu would open it like my regular pen drive.
[04:26] <tomcat> Ewhitten, hayden: thx. This gets me in the right direction.
[04:26] <wiBo> does ubuntu had a French channel?
[04:27] <ewhitten> specifically:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:27] <ewhitten> (that's my sources.list line)
[04:27] <robl^> ewhitten: ahh. that's what I was looking to find out. I didn't want to mess it up using the wrong ones
[04:27] <ewhitten> you want the libdvdcss2 and w32codecs packages, I believe.
[04:28] <funky> hi
[04:28] <robl^> ewhitten: thanks.
[04:28] <ewhitten> np
[04:29] <tuxJr_14> hi
[04:29] <ewhitten> Rocha:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/280679
[04:29] <ewhitten> Rocha:  and there are a couple other good links in the article for you as well.
[04:29] <Rocha> Thanks
[04:29] <ewhitten> threat, rather.
[04:29] <ewhitten> np
[04:29] <ewhitten> d.
[04:29] <ewhitten> gahh. can't type.
[04:29] <Rocha> ewhitten, i hope it works, i don't have windows at home
[04:29] <ewhitten> anyone seen my finger?  I'm short one...
[04:29] <stang> how do I allow root to have a display?  export DISPLAY=MY_HOST:0.0 isn't working!
[04:30] <funky> how can i manage init scripts in ubuntu ? add/remove from a runlevel
[04:30] <nis> stang: You can cd /etc/rc2.d  &&  mkdir .hide  && cd .hide  && mv ../S99gdm .  (to boot into the console).
[04:30] <Rocha> Bye
[04:31] <nis> stang: xhost +localhost but make sure 'nolisten' doesn't show up in a grep of the process table.
[04:31] <stang> you are the man nis!
[04:31] <stang> thank you
[04:31] <geneo93> funky:  if you want to drop to 3 just type telinit 3 in terminal
[04:32] <nis> ewhitten: that was a good finger.
[04:32] <nis> stang: welcome.
[04:32] <funky> geneo93, Im not speaking about changing through runlevels, i would like to know if there exists any command/script/whatever to manage init scripts in ubuntu
[04:32] <ewhitten> nis:  was wondering if anyone else was going to catch that. ;)
[04:33] <nis> ;)
[04:33] <geneo93> funky:  why do you need to
[04:34] <stang> nis: I can pass my fc3 kernel a "init 3" arg and it boots into command line, so that way I have 2 entries in grub, 1 for command line, 1 for graphical.  I can't be that lazy w/ Ubuntu?
[04:34] <geneo93> funky:  man init
[04:34] <funky> geneo93, i dont want launch mdadm scripts for example
[04:34] <funky> geneo93, in gentoo exists rc-update, i just want to know if exists something like that in ubuntu
[04:35] <robl^> hrmm..  I added the new repositories according to the guide, but now I get GPG error about no public key
[04:35] <geneo93> read that man on it
[04:35] <stang> nis: nevermind... had a brain fart
[04:36] <stang> i gotcha now
[04:37] <tomcat> Crap, I'm still stumped as to how to see the share on the windows networks here...
 Fackamato, unfortunately I can't tell you. :S <- err why not ?!
[04:37] <Fackamato> is it secret?
[04:38] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: sudo apt-get install cpufreq cpufreq-userspace
[04:38] <nis> stang: there used to be a keybinding to boot single-user mode.  Probably both shift keys held down at once.
[04:38] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: mount | grep sys
[04:38] <stang> ok
[04:38] <Fackamato> if you don't get anything, then sysfs isn't mounted
[04:38] <stang> i'll give that a shot
[04:39] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, sys found
[04:39] <tomcat> I got 'could not resolve mount point
[04:39] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: ok, what about that apt
[04:39] <PacoBCN> no packs with that name
[04:39] <PacoBCN> however, lsmod gives me cpufreq_userspace       4572
[04:40] <PacoBCN> cpufreq_powersave       1920
[04:40] <stang> thanks for all the help... kinda fun learning a new linux system...
[04:40] <PacoBCN> probably the modules aren't loaded at boot time
[04:40] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: what does powernowd say when you restart it through initd?
[04:40] <Liz> anyone else having a problem with gnome-panel not loading properly?
[04:41] <PacoBCN> CPU frequency scaling not supported                                   [ ok ] 
[04:41] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:41] <Fackamato> what cpu do you have?
[04:41] <tomcat> Anyone have a link to a better site for access a windows share? I've tried what it says in the ubuntu guide and no luck so far...
[04:41] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, PentiumIV
[04:41] <Fackamato> mobile or what?
[04:42] <PacoBCN> Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[04:42] <Fackamato> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:42] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, this is why I asked if after installing 686 I will have powernowd support
[04:43] <PacoBCN> or if it depends on the hardware
[04:44] <Fackamato> both I guess
[04:44] <Fackamato> does your cpu have hyperthreading?
[04:46] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, that is something I don't know how to find out
[04:47] <PacoBCN> Fackomato: cat /proc/cpuinfo: http://pastebin.ca/8197
[04:47] <geneo93> look in the device manager
[04:47] <warty> :)
[04:47] <warty> oops
[04:48] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: running hoary?
[04:48] <mlktoast> yeah
[04:48] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, yes and up to date
[04:49] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[04:49] <Fackamato> and boot that new kernel
[04:49] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, yes, but I'm afraid it will give me problems at boot time
[04:49] <Fackamato> why would it?
[04:49] <PacoBCN> I'll try...
[04:50] <nis> Liz: Is it supposed to load?
[04:50] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, downloading
[04:50] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: ait
[04:51] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: what graphics card do you have on that laptop?
[04:51] <Liz> nis, in synaptic, ive got it as broken..and its freezing my system
[04:51] <monkey89> hey - is there a dvd I can download for installing hoary?
[04:51] <Liz> when i try to load it
[04:51] <monkey89> i dont see any iso files on the mirror
[04:51] <tomcat> hey all, I have figured out I can do smbclient -L <name> and hit return at the pw prompt and get some output, but not a list of the shares o nthe machine....
[04:51] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, nVidia GeForce
[04:51] <tomcat> I'm stumped as to how to connect to the windoze machines here!
[04:51] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: which one
[04:51] <dmn> hi, does fglrx support ati agp 320/340m card?
[04:51] <funky> geneo93, update-rc is what i was looking for
[04:52] <Fackamato> dmn: what chip is that based on?
[04:52] <nis> Liz: Is there an ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file (either) present in $HOME?
[04:52] <dmn> fackmato: how to know the chip?
[04:52] <funky> geneo93, and that script is not commented in init man
[04:52] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, FX Go 5300
[04:52] <Fackamato> dmn try lspci
[04:52] <PacoBCN> 64Mb
[04:52] <geneo93> hmm
[04:53] <dmn> fackmato: I'm not in-front my notebook now. I think it is radeon igp 345m
[04:53] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: okay, you'll have to reinstall the nvidia drivers after you've booted your new kernel. Do you know how to do that?
[04:54] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, yes, I've done it a couple of times
[04:54] <PacoBCN> thanks
[04:54] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: allright
[04:54] <Liz> nis xsession-errors ?
[04:54] <geneo93> funky try man update-rc.d then
[04:55] <Fackamato> dmn: see https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[04:56] <dmn> fackmato: thanks. looking now..
[04:56] <funky> geneo93, i know
[04:56] <funky> and i get it
[04:56] <geneo93> ok
[04:57] <nis> Liz: possibly.  I think I'm on the wrong track tho.
[04:58] <nis> Liz: You could always rename all ~/.gnome directories to see if the problem goes away.
[04:58] <nis> ~/.gnome* I mean.
[04:59] <nis> Or just create a test user.
[04:59] <CB201> hey, guys
[04:59] <Fackamato> lo
[04:59] <tomcat> Can someone help me with samba? I'm totally stumped and going crazy here!
[05:00] <CB201> I'm having a bit of trouble running my wireless netwrok in Ubuntu, can anyone help?
[05:00] <nis> Liz: That's what I do here.  I create a test user after installing anything I think might be affected by my legacy files in $HOME.
[05:00] <Fackamato> CB201: maybe, describe your problem in details please.
[05:00] <Fackamato> tomcat: What are you trying to do?
[05:00] <CB201> okay, here goes
[05:00] <PacoBCN> Kernel configured
[05:00] <PacoBCN> restarting
[05:00] <Fackamato> gl
[05:01] <PacoBCN> thx
[05:01] <tomcat> I'
[05:01] <nis> Liz: also, dselect is a difficult tool to work with, but is what I use to fix broken package dependencies.  A quick 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure' might help also.
[05:02] <tomcat> I've got a new ubuntu installed and I'm trying to access files on a couple of windows boxes in another part of the building.  Can't access the list of what the shares are named, but I can see the names of the windows computers
[05:02] <Fackamato> you need to know the names of the shares
[05:03] <tomcat> And I'm well and truely confused by what the ubuntu guide says.. and the howto samba on the samba site
[05:03] <Fackamato> sudo apt-get install smbfs if you haven't already
[05:03] <Liz> nis, it told me i needed to sudo dpkg --configure -a..but it was mainly the gnome-panel file that was broken
[05:03] <tomcat> did all that, have it all installed
[05:03] <Liz> i did that..but it didnt work..just threw up another error
[05:04] <Liz> and wouldnt install the other files
[05:04] <nis> Liz: how bad is the freeze-up?  What can't be done during this condition?
[05:04] <siimo> hi can someone thats running hoary + gnome 2.10 show me a screenshot of their desktop with atleast 5 apps open, please?
[05:04] <Fackamato> tomcat: this is what it looks like in fstab
[05:04] <Fackamato> 192.168.x.x/sharename/ /home/mountpoint smbfs username=usernamehere,password=passwordhere
[05:04] <CB201> My wireless card isn't supported, so I installed ndiswraper and set up my network using the driver on my card's CD.  I belive it's configured properly, because I am able to ping the other computer on my network, but I can't access the Internet.  I *am* able to access the internet from Windows XP, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong from within Ubuntu.  Any suggestions?
[05:04] <Liz> nothing could be done..i had to do a reboot to get it to work again nis
[05:04] <Fackamato> siimo: sure, hold on
[05:04] <tomcat> Fackamoto: but if I don't have the share names...?
[05:04] <Liz> couldnt get into a terminal to kill the program
[05:05] <nis> Liz: what about those 'safe' modes in gdm?
[05:06] <geneo93> Liz:  pidof (program)
[05:06] <geneo93> then kill that number
[05:06] <machoo> anyone try to use bluetooth connectivity from ubuntu to their s65?
[05:07] <siimo> Fackamato, thanks
[05:07] <nis> Liz: simple thing to try (and undo later):  cd ~   and then "echo sawfish > ~/.xsession"  (but be sure you aren't overwriting an old ~/.xsession file).  Then try other modes for session in gdm (the HumanCircle people screen where your name and password is typed in, in a graphical interface).
[05:07] <CB201> can anyone help me with my Internet connection sharing problem?
[05:07] <EricNeon> smurfix, I ssh login ubuntu-zh,but couldnt edit my config files
[05:08] <Fackamato> siimo: www.tehjunkyard.net/screenshot.png
[05:08] <nis> Liz: that overwrites ~/.xsession with a single command, 'sawfish' which is the window manager.
[05:08] <Fackamato> tomcat: you need the sharenames afaik
[05:08] <machoo> ANYONE HAVE A GOOD BLUETOOTH MANAGER I CAN USE?
[05:08] <Liz> geneo93, i coudlnt get into a terminal to do that
[05:08] <Fackamato> macewan: skip capslock
[05:08] <Liz> nis ill give it a go
[05:08] <Fackamato> typing with uppercase letters only means that you won't get any help at all
[05:08] <geneo93> ctrl alt f1
[05:09] <siimo> Fackamato, are you using custom settings for gnome window list? mine gets crammed
[05:09] <nis> Liz: you can replace 'sawfish' with 'xterm' there also, if you like, but then you won't have a window manager either.  If  you do that, first command to type into the resultant xterm would be 'sawfish &'.
[05:10] <Fackamato> siimo: nah, just a theme
[05:10] <Lemonzest> anyone know wht the daily torrent is not working?
[05:10] <Lemonzest> for bunty 64bit
[05:10] <Fackamato> I'm using the clearlooks theme, siimo
[05:10] <siimo> Fackamato, weird.. i have latest hoary and i have the bug where window list tabs dont take up the whole window list space in hoary
[05:11] <siimo> Fackamato, but its find on other distro with 2.10
[05:11] <siimo> **fine
[05:11] <Fackamato> strange
[05:11] <Liz> nis we are talking about the synaptic update that hoary now does packages arent we?
[05:11] <Liz> ok..gnome-panel has frozen again
[05:12] <nis> Liz: I haven't used Synaptic yet. I'm old school Debian.
[05:12] <Liz> well..now i cant do anything on the panel
[05:12] <Liz> its frozen
[05:12] <Liz> this is the only window i can use
[05:12] <Liz> virtual window that is
[05:12] <nis> ctrl alt f1 any good?
[05:13] <Liz> yep..that works
[05:13] <Liz> oh wait..its owrking again..
[05:13] <Liz> but that is very very slow
[05:13] <Liz> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.10.0-0ubuntu8_all.deb:  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/gnome/help/clock/es/clock.xml')
[05:13] <geneo93> out of memory
[05:13] <Liz> thats the error
[05:13] <siimo> :-( fonts are tooh small! http://www3.150m.com/screenshots/nautilus2.10bug.png
[05:14] <CB201> My wireless card isn't supported, so I installed ndiswrapper and set up my network using the driver on my card's CD.  I belive it's configured properly, because I am able to ping the other computer on my network, but I can't access the Internet.  I *am* able to access the internet from Windows XP, so I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong from within Ubuntu.  Any suggestions?
[05:14] <Fackamato> siimo: zoom in to 100%
[05:15] <Fackamato> CB201: are you using DHCP in your network?
[05:15] <siimo> Fackamato, well didnt happen in warty where zoom 75% still showed fonts ok
[05:15] <Fackamato> what do you get if you type 'route' at the CLI, CB201
[05:15] <sabmoc> hello all
[05:15] <Fackamato> siimo: check the font settings then
[05:15] <nis> Liz: It'd be good to troubleshoot that on the console not in X11/GNOME.
[05:15] <CB201> CLI?
[05:15] <CB201> (new to linux)
[05:16] <Fackamato> a terminal
[05:16] <CB201> oh
[05:16] <JDahl> Command line interface
[05:16] <CB201> dunno
[05:16] <CB201> I'd have to boot back into Ubuntu to check...
[05:17] <CB201> is is possible that I could be doing something wrong in the built-in networking wizard?
[05:17] <nis> Liz: Did ctrl alt F1 restart the graphical login or did you get a text-only login screen?
[05:17] <pvoce> ugh...someone please save my sanity!:))
[05:17] <Liz> nis txt only
[05:17] <PacoBCN> Fuckamato, didn't work but I know why
[05:17] <Fackamato> CB201: maybe, if you don't add a gateway you won't get out on the net
[05:18] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: please spell my name correctly (type fack<press tab> )
[05:18] <nis> Liz: good.  If you login in text-only, you can get root and stop the graphical interface entirely.
[05:18] <CB201> well, I used the standard gateway address
[05:18] <CB201> 192.168.1.1
[05:18] <Liz> nis im not too handy on commandline only..but if you want me to do it that way
[05:18] <Liz> i can do
[05:18] <pvoce> the hoary nvidia glx drivers do not work, and I cant get the nvidia installer to recognize the sources path
[05:18] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, sorry, dude, whas just a typo...
[05:18] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: np, why didn't it work?
[05:18] <nis> Liz: It's the way I know. ;)
[05:18] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, worked too many years in the porn industry...
[05:19] <Fackamato> PacoBCN: hgaha
[05:19] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, I first need to compile some specific drivers to make my wireless card work
[05:19] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, then I'll be able to install nvidia and etcs
[05:20] <PacoBCN> Fackamato, however, I just needed a good reason to format it all and reinstall it again.
[05:20] <PacoBCN> And to change kernel is a good one
[05:20] <pvoce> Ive removed all of the nvidia-glx files, including restricted, and am trying to get the nvdia-installer to recognize the --kernel-source-path I gave it, as it freaks out over the symlink in /usr/modules
[05:21] <Halo> Hello
[05:21] <Fackamato> pvoce: you don't have to add --kernel-blabla to the nvidia installer
[05:21] <Halo> A friend of mine is looking for a linux distro that will run on his Pentium 1 computer
[05:21] <Fackamato> just create a symlink from your kernel headers to /usr/src/linux
[05:21] <pvoce> halo: slackware
[05:21] <Fackamato> Halo: this is not the one
[05:21] <Halo> I'm wondering if ubuntu without gnome would fit the bill?
[05:21] <Fackamato> Halo: debian woody or slackware
[05:22] <Halo> Is there a way of installing ubuntu without a GUI?
[05:22] <Halo> Then he can just apt-get fluxbox?
[05:22] <alm> halo: do a server install
[05:22] <pvoce> fack: already there...the installer does not seem to recognize it for some readon...recent installers too
[05:22] <Halo> I really think that ubuntu's hardware detection and such would be the best thing for him... he's completely green to linux
[05:22] <Halo> so if it installs to a command line with detected hardware he's peachy.  I can take it from there
[05:23] <Halo> alm: how do you do that?  Is it an install option?
[05:23] <Fackamato> pvoce: in terminal: ls -la /usr/src/linux
[05:23] <Fackamato> (not /usr/src/linux/ )
[05:23] <ionrock> has anyone had any troubel enabling inotify in hoary?
[05:23] <Fackamato> what's inotify?
[05:24] <eleet> hey guys and gals
[05:25] <ionrock> it is a kernel something or other that allows for a central place for filesystem happenings or something similar to be notified... I realy don't know exactly what it does but beagle uses it'
[05:25] <pvoce> theres why...its symlinked to linux-headers..etc....
[05:25] <Fackamato> pvoce: it should be symlinked to linux-headers
[05:25] <ionrock> pvoce, should i get the headers then?
[05:25] <eleet> i've compiled a new kernel (2.6.11.5)
[05:26] <Fackamato> pvoce: do you have the correct hedaers installed? and the kernel source? (and unarchived it?)
[05:26] <eleet> but i need the new initrd.img or i get a kernel panick on boot ?
[05:26] <pvoce> fack: yeppers...hoary 2.6.10-5-386
[05:27] <pvoce> even uname -r 'd to make sure
[05:27] <ells> has anyone experienced choppy dvd video in hoary
[05:27] <membreya> eleet: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=100460&postcount=1 try that..just take out the nvidia stuff
[05:27] <pvoce> ells: you need to set your hdparm to 1
[05:27] <membreya> ells: got DMA enabled on your DVD drive?
[05:27] <Fackamato> pvoce: it should not complain about anything
[05:27] <ells> pvoce: how
[05:27] <ells> membreya; how can I check
[05:27] <pvoce> fack: thats the point...the installers cant find them no matter
[05:28] <membreya> ells: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/(your dvd drive)
[05:28] <ells> membreya: okay
[05:28] <Fackamato> pvoce: please paste the output of ls -la /usr/src/linux
[05:29] <Fackamato> fackamato@fackamato:~ $ ls -la /usr/src/linux
[05:29] <Fackamato> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root src 31 2005-03-24 01:44 /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686-smp/
[05:29] <pvoce> fack: there wasnt a /usr/scr/linux dir... just created it...there was the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10etc dir
[05:29] <Fackamato> pvoce: then that's what's wrong
[05:29] <Fackamato> you shouldn't create the dir
[05:29] <Fackamato> you should create a symlink to the headers
[05:30] <pvoce> removed
[05:30] <Fackamato> (as root in /usr/src): ln -s linux-headers-2.6.bla linux
[05:30] <ells> membreya: it worked, thanks
[05:30] <snowgod> Hey all, anyone noticed anything wierd with CSS since the last firefox upgrade (running Hoary)?
[05:31] <pvoce> youre typing faster than I am:)
[05:31] <ionrock> snowgod, I have noticed that some areas that are supposed to be white are a gray color
[05:31] <eleet> lol, membreya - i'm still confused
[05:31] <pvoce> fack: let me pop out of x for a bit and try it:)
[05:31] <Fackamato> gl
[05:31] <snowgod> ionrock: same here
[05:32] <eleet> is this part what i need ?
[05:32] <eleet> Install the new kernel-image and nvidia-kernel packages
[05:32] <eleet> $ cd /usr/src
[05:32] <eleet> $ sudo dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.10custom1*.deb
[05:32] <snowgod> ionrock: Guess it isn't just me then. I'll do a little research and file a report assuming no-one has already
[05:33] <ionrock> snowgod: it might be a firefox thing since web developers shouldn't assume the background to be white...
[05:35] <snowgod> ionrock: Thats true, but the page I'm seeing it on is an internal site that uses CSS, and it appears to explicitly set the color to #FFFFFF in an external CSS file, I'll poke around and see if Firefox on other OSes act the same.
[05:35] <snowgod> thats why I thought something changed with css parsing
[05:35] <eleet> if it helps, i dont have the make-kpkg command
[05:35] <ionrock> touche :)
[05:36] <rob_> I've got a quick question...
[05:36] <wibo> Hi, i have finished the installation of Hoary and when I have rebooted, i got Grub Error 18, what i do now?
[05:36] <PacoBCN> Just noticed that the Preview CD image is 533Mb big... there's still room for packages there
[05:36] <akk> snowgod, ionrock: of course you can set the background color to anything you want, if you want it to be white and that isn't the default any more.
[05:36] <pvoce> fack: negative.....it found the build symlink in /lib/modlues... but still will not recognize the header files
[05:36] <rob_> I'm trying to install Kmud, and when I go to the folder and do ./configure I get this error: configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[05:36] <rob_>   Any idea why?
[05:36] <akk> I always set my background to something a little off-white, so I'll know if I'm making assumptions like that in web pages.
[05:37] <JDahl> rob_, try to install build-essentials
[05:37] <Fackamato> pvoce: what does ls -la /usr/src/linux say
[05:38] <pvoce> fack: here is the /lib/modules the inastaller hits
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   5 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:30 .
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   4 root root   4096 2005-03-24 21:47 ..
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:28 boot
[05:38] <pvoce> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     35 2005-03-23 21:53 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4096 2005-03-24 19:28 initrd
[05:38] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x  10 root root   4096 2005-03-21 20:17 kernel
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 204009 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.alias
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root     69 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.ccwmap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 259803 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.dep
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root    517 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.ieee1394map
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   1141 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.inputmap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  16427 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.isapnpmap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 186558 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.pcimap
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 108530 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.symbols
[05:38] <pvoce> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 262639 2005-03-24 19:30 modules.usbmap
[05:38] <OddAbe19> PASTE WHORE!!! OMG
[05:39] <wibo> Hi, i have finished the installation of Hoary and when I have rebooted, i got Grub Error 18, what i do now?
[05:40] <Fackamato> pvoce: not /usr/src/linux/ , but /usr/src/linux .
[05:40] <pvoce> -
[05:40] <pvoce> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       27 2005-03-24 22:30 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root     4096 2005-03-23 21:53 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     4096 2005-03-24 21:55 nv
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   7 root root     4096 2005-03-21 17:27 rpm
[05:40] <pvoce> patrick@patrick:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386$
[05:40] <membreya> wibo: do you have DMA enabled in your BIOS?
[05:40] <pvoce> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       27 2005-03-24 22:30 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/
[05:40] <pvoce> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root     4096 2005-03-23 21:53 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:40] <rob_> Hmm...where can I get "libz"?
[05:40] <KriegGoD> LMFAO
[05:41] <rob_> the configure cant find it
[05:41] <KriegGoD> sudo apt-get install libz
[05:41] <KriegGoD> :)
[05:41] <wibo> membreya: yes i think
[05:41] <PacoBCN> I've seen pages in the forum about grub's error 18
[05:41] <Fackamato> pvoce: ok, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 , then after the install, go to /usr/src and tar -xvjf linuxsource.bz2
[05:42] <rob_> tried that, it cant find package libz
[05:42] <wibo> PacoBCN: i<m reading alot on that but it seems to be a fix in bios...
[05:42] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:43] <KriegGoD> evening
[05:43] <kkathman> question: How can I find out what the executable file is for an application and where its located. For example I want to find where the evolution mail executable is.
[05:43] <eleet> brb, think i may have fixed it
[05:43] <pvoce> .10 or .10.31?
[05:44] <snowgod> kkathman: whereis evolution
[05:44] <kkathman> ahhh thank you
[05:44] <smogger914> Find out via "rpm -qa" if the following packages are installed:
[05:44] <smogger914> nm
[05:44] <kkathman> and why might it be in more than one location?
[05:44] <membreya> wrong chan smogger914 :P
[05:44] <smogger914> wrong line
[05:44] <smogger914> i have a question
[05:45] <smogger914> how do i see if certain developement packages are installed
[05:45] <trans_err> smogger914: you can always use synaptic
[05:45] <smogger914> how
[05:45] <rob_> click on it, if its green, its installed
[05:46] <robl^> hrmm.  I installed hoary yesterday, and there are over 290 new pkgs to be updated
[05:46] <smogger914> lets say i wanted to chech if bison-1.35-3mdk is installed
[05:46] <smogger914> what do i do
[05:47] <pvoce> nopers...its downloading
[05:47] <rob_> use whereis, if its installed it will tell you a path
[05:47] <rob_> i'm sure there are better ways, but thats what I do
[05:48] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:/ $ whereis bison-1.35-3mdk
[05:48] <smogger914> bison-1:
[05:48] <smogger914> what does that mean
[05:48] <trans_err> smogger914: we are in ubuntu right?
[05:48] <smogger914> yeah
[05:49] <trans_err> why are you using mdk packages then?
[05:49] <rob_> means that you dont have it installed
[05:49] <ionrock> smogger914: I use locate myself
[05:49] <smogger914> so how do i install it
[05:49] <smogger914> i am trying to get wine
[05:49] <trans_err> smogger914: run synaptic
[05:49] <smogger914> and do what
[05:49] <trans_err> smogger914: it may make this a bit easier
[05:49] <rob_> if whereis finds something it will be like funstuff: /usr/share/funstuff
[05:50] <robl^> why are you installing mdk pkgs?  bison is on the ubuntu cd
[05:50] <trans_err> smogger914: and dont install packages from other distros-- especially mandrake
[05:50] <smogger914> i could not i have no clue what it is
[05:50] <smogger914> i am just trying to get wine to work and it says to check to see if those developement packages are there
[05:51] <trans_err> smogger914: apt-get install wine
[05:51] <rob_> I'm fairly new to Linux, so pardon the horrible comparison.  But what is a good software download site like Download.com
[05:51] <trans_err> rob_: apt-get install [package] 
[05:52] <wibo> omg , i tried with the 3 others mode: NORMAL i got Error 5, and AUTO & LARGE, i got ERROR 18, what can i do now^
[05:52] <trans_err> rob_: just fire up synaptic
[05:52] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:/ $ sudo apt-get install wine
[05:52] <smogger914> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:52] <smogger914> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:52] <Walski> rob_ im a fan of tucows ---- but most of the packages are in buntu anyhow
[05:52] <robl^> rob_: if you want to see what's new and what software does, freshmeat.net
[05:52] <trans_err> smogger914: sudo apt-get install wine
[05:52] <trans_err> smogger914: you might want to read up a bit before diving in
[05:52] <smogger914> 6) robl^: why are you installing mdk pkgs?  bison is on the ubuntu cd its not there
[05:52] <ionrock> smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool that uses apt
[05:52] <rob_> thanks
[05:53] <Walski> robl^, has you covered  :)
[05:53] <maxchee> did anyone notice that the hoary upgrade released a few hours ago allows gnome-menus to use the legacy format
[05:53] <maxchee> ie. /usr/share/gnome/apps
[05:53] <smogger914> what  ionrock: smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool that uses apt
[05:53] <rob_> How does apt-get work? It still amazes me.  Does it just have a list of databases it searches for the file you specify?
[05:53] <kdp> I'm trying to convert all my icons to the Human theme, but the upper left hand corner still displays an old icon
[05:53] <kdp> *of firefox
[05:54] <rob_> rofl, that quit message rocks, simpsons for life
[05:54] <Walski> maxchee, thats good i hated how i couldnt add custom icons
[05:54] <trans_err> rob_: just a package list-- all the repositories are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:54] <ionrock> smogger914: that would give you that error
[05:54] <kdp> i tried this
[05:54] <kdp> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#app_icon
[05:54] <smogger914> what would
[05:54] <kdp> but its not picking up the changes...any ideas?
[05:54] <Walski> maxchee, when did you find it changed?
[05:55] <ionrock> smogger914: if you are running the ubuntu update tool and you try to do something like apt-get install some_program, you will get an error saying that some dpkg thing is locked
[05:55] <rob_> Hmm...what does: checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Check your installation and look into config.log
[05:55] <rob_>  mean exactly? Is "libz" a specific package?
[05:55] <robl^> rob_: its complicated at first.  basically there is a list of pkgs and each pkg contains a list of what other prerequistes are needed to be instaled too.  apt-get figures it all out and does it "auto-magically"
[05:55] <wibo> anyone cant help me^
[05:55] <maxchee> Walski: a few hours ago, with the newest hoary upgrade
[05:55] <JDahl> rob_, what are you trying to compile?
[05:56] <maxchee> Walski: note that gnome still has no menu editor
[05:56] <rob_> auto-magically...thats a good way to put it =P
[05:56] <rob_> I'm trying to install Kmud
[05:56] <kdp> theres a menu editor in univer
[05:56] <kdp> se
[05:56] <kdp> its called........menueditor
[05:56] <maxchee> kdp: gnome 2.10 compatible?
[05:56] <Walski> maxchee, wicked :)
[05:56] <Walski> cheers for the heads up
[05:56] <Walski> :)
[05:56] <maxchee> Walski: it also worked on yours?
[05:56] <robl^> gnome?!?!  I use GNUstep :)
[05:57] <Walski> havnt upgraded as yeat
[05:57] <kybalion> Hello. For some reason Ubuntu cannot get the dns for a webpage I'm trying to go to. I think it may be because the url has -q- in it.
[05:57] <maxchee> robl^: how is gnustep?
[05:58] <rob_> whats gnustep?
[05:58] <trans_err> rob_: apt-get install kmud
[05:58] <trans_err> rob_: that might be easier
[05:58] <Walski> rob_ : a different windows manager
[05:58] <kkathman> one other, I'm sure very simple question, how would I go about making Opera my default browser, as opposed to what it is set to now, which is firefox?
[05:58] <rob_> tried that, cant find kmud with apt-get
[05:59] <robl^> GNUstep is a development toolkit / dekstop.. like KDEO or GNOME.. but based on the same API that Mac OS X uses for Cocoa
[05:59] <kdp> kkathman: system->preferences->preferred apps
[05:59] <maxchee> robl^: I though gnustep (the framework) is still under dev
[06:00] <JDahl> rob_, when you see an error like you described above, you almost always need a xxx-dev package.. use "apt-cache search xxx-dev" to look it up
[06:00] <kybalion> Is the lack of anyone answering me mean I've failed to follow some question protocol?
[06:00] <kkathman> kdp thats in Gnome I suppose, and Im running XFCE :(
[06:00] <robl^> maxchee: yes.  so is Mac OS X. :)  but GNUstep is useable.  there are always new versions..  same with any other software
[06:00] <maxchee> robl^: and are there any gnustep apps?
[06:00] <rob_> Hmm, when I did that, the computer thought for a second then just gave me another bash prompy
[06:00] <rob_> prompt
[06:01] <maxchee> robl^: other than windowmaker (which is not even using the framework)
[06:01] <robl^> maxchee: a fair number.. and as of recently, more and more Mac OS X are being ported to GNUstep
[06:02] <kybalion> Hmm. No responce at all to question or meta-question... Am I invisible?
[06:02] <robl^> maxchee: irc clients, email, filemangers, editors, IM clients, games, etc.  Even OpenGroupware.org uses GNUstep
[06:03] <maxchee> robl^: performance?
[06:03] <maxchee> robl^: also does gnustep have a DE?
[06:03] <robl^> maxchee: performs as least as well KDE or GNOME.  DE?  Desktop Environment?  or Development?
[06:04] <kybalion> Fascinating. Invisible it must be.
[06:04] <wibo> thanks for the help guys :) ....
[06:04] <maxchee> robl^: Desktop environment
[06:04] <maxchee> Lastly, how come firefox 1.0.2 doesn't coem with the ubuntu theme?
[06:04] <robl^> maxchee: yes, to a degree.  Its pretty much the same as the old Openstep DE
[06:04] <kkathman> maxchee:  good question... the version that I have is very out of date
[06:05] <kkathman> 0.93 or something
[06:05] <mwylde_> Is there any way to, with apt-get, get some important development packages? Without installing them individially?
[06:05] <maxchee> anyone using hoary?
[06:05] <mwylde_> I am
[06:06] <robl^> maxchee: hoary here. :)
[06:06] <maxchee> and firefox 1.0.2
[06:06] <maxchee> ie. just updated
[06:06] <kdp> i would think, since firefox has released quite a few security updates, that warty users would have it as well?
[06:07] <robl^> I just updated 300 pkgs
[06:07] <benh`> i can't seem to import my my signing certificate into evolution 2.2 -- it shows up fine with gpg --list-keys though. anyone know what i might be doing wrong?
[06:07] <maxchee> kdp: except warty users never even got the firefox 1.0 update
[06:07] <maxchee> robl^: using firefox?
[06:07] <robl^> maxchee: yeah
[06:08] <maxchee> does it have the winstripe, or the gnome theme?
[06:08] <kkathman> I guess you could download it directly from the web site
[06:08] <kkathman> or try another deb archive
[06:08] <maxchee> kkathman: not really, the one on u.m.o is not the same as the ubuntu one
[06:09] <robl^> maxchee: looks to be "default firefox"
[06:09] <maxchee> kkathman: ubuntu's gnome theme is customized
[06:09] <maxchee> robl^: ie. bright green back button of winstripe, right?
[06:09] <kkathman> maxchee yes
[06:09] <mwylde_> so with apt-get is there any automated way to get, for instance, dev tools (which seem to be sorely lacking from the vanilla Hoary install)?
[06:09] <robl^> maxchee: yeah.  Firefix *default) 2.0
[06:10] <robl^> FireFox even
[06:10] <maxchee> kkathman: I am not too worried though: this is probably just a slip up on the dev's part
[06:10] <robl^> I like the default better. :)
[06:10] <kakalto> when ubuntu hoary comes to me on cd, will I be able to simply put the cd in the drive, and update my warty?
[06:11] <maxchee> robl^: I think both are okay. Although the subdued colour of the gnome theme fits better in gnome
[06:11] <rob_> So what downloads do I need for X includes?
[06:11] <kkathman> maxchee:  thats why I chose Opera instead
[06:11] <Fackamato> kakalto: don't you have internet?
[06:11] <benh`> kakalto, check out apt-cdrom
[06:11] <kkathman> I just dl'd the qt stuff first then did the 7.54 install
[06:11] <maxchee> kkathman: I thought the only merit of opera are gazillions of gadgets
[06:12] <maxchee> kkathman: and customizability
[06:12] <robl^> ..and opera is not a MS product
[06:12] <maxchee> kkathman: well, that too. in fact, I think opera follows the kde UI tradition very well...
[06:13] <kakalto> fackamato, I'd rather not download a few hundread mb of updates
[06:13] <kakalto> benh`, thanks
[06:13] <benh`> np
[06:13] <maxchee> ie. cluttered, over built, too many settings (no intention to bash kde and opera devs, they are doing a grea job, but...)
[06:13] <mwylde_> Is there any automated way to get dev packages through apt-get?
[06:14] <maxchee> mwylde_: of what language
[06:14] <mwylde_> c
[06:14] <mwylde_> Hoary doesn't even come with gcc
[06:15] <maxchee> mwylde_: try the meta packages
[06:15] <mwylde_> maxchee: How?
[06:15] <robl^> maxchee: that's just it.. not everyone has the same goals or prefers to work in a certain style.  gnome vs kde vs cde vs gnustep, etc..  no one single *right* answer for everyone :)
[06:15] <benh`> mwylde_, just build-dep the source pkg
[06:15] <smouche> I love the keyboard shortcuts in opera.  And the real full screen view.  and zooming with one key press.
[06:16] <maxchee> robl^: which is why I leave the end of the sentence off.
[06:16] <benh`> though that will likely grab more than you are interested in...
[06:16] <maxchee> gnome vs. kde is old
[06:16] <kdp> indeed
[06:16] <robl^> motif vs openlook is older :)
[06:16] <mwylde_> which source package?
[06:17] <mwylde_> nick mwylde
[06:17] <benh`> mwylde_, whatever you are interested in... build-dep grabs all packages needed to compile the package
[06:17] <mwylde> ok
[06:18] <benh`> i can't seem to import my my signing certificate into evolution 2.2 -- it shows up fine with gpg --list-keys though. anyone know what i might be doing wrong?
[06:19] <nis> smouche: hi
[06:20] <smouche> hi nis
[06:21] <nis> smouche: did it melt?
[06:21] <smouche> Sure did, nis.  Actually seemed springlike this afternoon
[06:22] <smouche> you still in winter wonderland, nis?
[06:24] <nis> smouche: looks like Jersey around here. all melted, covered with road rash. ;)
[06:25] <aos> would someone post their PATH env variable? I seem to have overwritten mine.
[06:26] <factotum> what version of XFCE does Hoary run?
[06:26] <smouche> factotum, I think you can run XFCE4
[06:27] <smouche> it's in universe I believe
[06:27] <factotum> alright, was curious if it had 4.2 yet
[06:27] <Liz> nis it works. :D
[06:27] <smouche> factotum, don't think so
[06:27] <factotum> ah well, such is life ;D
[06:27] <nis> Liz: that's great!
[06:27] <nis> aos: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[06:28] <wibo> in my /etc/apt/sources.list i got a CDROM location, does a internet location exist? thanks
[06:29] <nis> wibo: deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[06:29] <syn-ack> wibo: You tell me, do you have an interent connection?
[06:30] <aos> nis: thanks
[06:30] <kdp> ooooooo the human theme is pretty
[06:30] <nis> aos: np
[06:31] <robzulah> can someone do me a huge favour real quick?
[06:31] <wibo> syn-ack: euhh no ;)
[06:31] <wibo> nis im with hoarty, not warty, does it affects?
[06:31] <syn-ack> replace warty with hoary
[06:31] <robzulah> do apt-get install xserver-common and tell me if you get a 404 error too? pretty please
[06:32] <wibo> thanks
[06:32] <nis> wibo: just change 'warty' to 'hoary' and don't add or remove spaces between things.
[06:32] <nis> robzulah: depends on the mirror doesn't it?
[06:32] <monkey89> hey - in hoary, ive updated all software available, but my backup partition in /media/Backup is only shown on the desktop when I do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[06:33] <wibo> nis: thanks, now apt-get updating :)
[06:33] <nis> robzulah: rather .. a 404 error is an http error specific to a particular web server.
[06:33] <wibo> because i got error 18 with grub
[06:33] <nis> wibo: welcome.
[06:33] <wibo> so i had to install another one ...
[06:33] <wibo> it sucks :D
[06:34] <wibo> now installing lilo :P
[06:35] <nis> wibo: i use lilo here on x86 and yaboot on ppc
[06:36] <kdp> have an IRC question...i registered w/nickserve but w/the wrong email, and now when i use the set email command its not saving properly...
[06:36] <wibo> k
[06:36] <wibo> Installing MBR on /dev/hda
[06:36] <wibo> ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable.
[06:36] <wibo> wtf ? :S
[06:37] <robzulah> So does that error mean that the server that particular file is on is temporarily down?
[06:37] <nis> kdp: found the way to make it nicer last night.  edit  '/usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml' to change the font size and password box dimensions and color.
[06:38] <rvirani> Where can I get documentation on Ubuntu as a server platform
[06:38] <rvirani> things like installing tripwire
[06:38] <rvirani> automatic updates
[06:38] <rvirani> making sure that the kernel stays the same
[06:38] <rvirani> etc...
[06:39] <wibo> root@livecd:/etc/apt # lilo
[06:39] <virtuald> how can i get atomic updates? i want a nuclear reactor in my room
[06:39] <wibo> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not exist, disk scan bypassed
[06:39] <wibo> Warning: partition type 0x0C on device 0x0301 is a dangerous place for
[06:39] <wibo>     a boot sector.  A DOS/Windows/OS2 system may be rendered unbootable.
[06:39] <wibo>   The backup copy of this boot sector should be retained.
[06:39] <wibo> I will assume that you know what you're doing and I will proceed.
[06:39] <wibo> Fatal: Filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/hda1
[06:39] <wibo> whats that
[06:39] <sono> Hello
[06:39] <rvirani> wibo: what it says
[06:39] <rvirani> you just killed the fs
[06:39] <wibo> i paste
[06:39] <wibo> WHAT?
[06:39] <rvirani> dont paste again
[06:40] <wibo> it means i dont have windows?
[06:40] <rvirani> use pastebin.ca if you want to paste
[06:40] <rvirani> perhaps
[06:40] <wibo> omg
[06:40] <wibo> omfg
[06:40] <rvirani> if you wrote lilo to the wrong partition
[06:40] <wibo> which partition i had to write?
[06:40] <kakalto> lol!
[06:40] <rvirani> omfg - Sounds like someone didnt back their stuff up
[06:40] <rvirani> wibo: depends on your system
[06:41] <virtuald> how can i get ubuntu to build an nuclear reactor?
[06:41] <wibo> rvirani: my windows partitions is not mounted so..
[06:41] <rvirani> wibo: so ...
[06:41] <rvirani> wibo: lilo can still do stuff to them
[06:41] <rvirani> just cuase they are not mounted does not mean they are not on the disk
[06:41] <rvirani> if you are dealing with partitions it doesnt matter if they are mounted or not
[06:41] <sono> could anyone tell me how to route gstreamer output/GNOME default sound system to my USB Pro Audio Card?
[06:42] <kdp> has anyone ever killed x, logged in, and noticed the line "You have new mail."?
[06:42] <rvirani> ln -s /dev/sound /dev/whateverthedeviceis
[06:42] <rvirani> ?
[06:42] <nis> kdp: what's the question?
[06:42] <rvirani> if gstreamer... uses /dev/sound
[06:42] <rvirani> kdp:  yes
[06:42] <_chavo> kdp, so read your mail.
[06:43] <wibo> rvirani: its just touch the mbr?.. can i only reboot with a win98 boot disk and do fdisk /mbr ?
[06:43] <sono> thx rvirani... i see
[06:43] <kdp> so i kill x, where i go to text based login, and after i log in, it shows "You have new mail."
[06:43] <kdp> whats up w/that?
[06:43] <rvirani> /dev/hda1 is not the mbr
[06:43] <kdp> i dont have new mail
[06:43] <kdp> and i dont know y its trying to check...
[06:43] <nis> kdp: same as if you su - myself in a terminal.
[06:44] <nis> kdp: or at anyrate, 'ssh myself@localhost'
[06:44] <wibo> rvirani: what does i have to do?
[06:44] <_chavo> it means you have a message in /var/mail
[06:44] <nis> kdp: the system sent u mail.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> some pacakage installers send root mail perhaps..
[06:45] <_chavo> the system sends messages to you for certain things
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> as a way of warning/notification.
[06:45] <kdp> so how might i get rid of it?
[06:45] <_chavo> if someone tries to use sudo and isn't in /etc/sudoers
[06:45] <_chavo> for example
[06:45] <kdp> b/c obviously its not reaching me now
[06:45] <rvirani> wibo: dunno
[06:46] <_chavo> kdp, fire up mutt to read it
[06:46] <nis> kdp: mail
[06:46] <rvirani> wibo: you wrote to a partitgion not the mbr
[06:47] <kdp> woooooooo what was that
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> get rid of the email? use the 'mail' command to read and delete it.
[06:48] <_chavo> or just rm /var/mail/root
[06:48] <csj> mdz: hi, I installed "xresprobe discover1 mdetect" but the xorg.conf still unchanged, is any clue to find what I lack of ?
[06:50] <monkey89> does anyone know of a way to get inserted disks to show on hoary's desktop?
[06:50] <Amaranth> Good news, I think I can get new menu category creation working in my editor. :)
[06:51] <monkey89> cds seem to work but my other hard drive partition doesn't... arr
[06:51] <kdp> excellent (does the burns hand thing)
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> monkey89,  thats a GNOME option I do belive
[06:51] <Liz> did you mount it monkey89 ?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> if its mounted
[06:51] <monkey89> Liz, yes, its mounted in /media/Backup.
[06:51] <monkey89> i put a CD in and the desktop shortcut appeared.  I have to restart dbus to get the disk to appear
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> or just make a shortcut from that dir to your home dir.
[06:52] <Amaranth> monkey89: hit ctrl+r when you're on your desktop
[06:52] <Liz> autorun option for removable media is in system ->preferences
[06:52] <orko> I've created an iptables script (and loaded the rules) but aren't sure where to put it so it loads it at boot? (does an iptables-save do that for you?)
[06:52] <Amaranth> oh, nm
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> then again. the gnome file manager has the bookmark stuff.. makes it easy to add bookmarks to palces
[06:52] <monkey89> there's something going on with gnome-volume-manager.  the CD appears, the disk doesnt, restarting hal brings the disk to appear
[06:52] <Amaranth> i thought you said the icon for the disc wasn't appearing
[06:52] <orko> or do I need to save the script, and call it in network/interfaces when the network comes up/
[06:53] <ionrock> does anyone have any tips for getting beagle to work?
[06:53] <Amaranth> monkey89: hoary?
[06:53] <Amaranth> ionrock: good luck
[06:53] <monkey89> Amaranth, yeah, giving it a shot
[06:53] <ionrock> I keep getting free(): invalid pointer 0x820e000! on queries
[06:53] <Amaranth> monkey89: heh
[06:53] <nis> orko: /etc/init.d/ and link to it from /etc/rc2.d/
[06:53] <monkey89> Amaranth, you have any idea how to get it to come up on startup?
[06:53] <Amaranth> on startup?
[06:54] <monkey89> Amaranth, when I first login, the Backup drive is properly detected and put on the desktop - that would be nice
[06:54] <monkey89> also appears in the file chooser when its recognized
[06:54] <nis> orko: but you should copy an exiting script from /etc/init.d/ and model yours on that one.
[06:54] <Amaranth> no clue
[06:54] <monkey89> hrm
[06:54] <monkey89> maybe i should try upgrading to 2.6.11?  i can't imagine that would fix it
[06:54] <Amaranth> my only expierence with g-v-m is with CDs
[06:56] <Amaranth> that'd be a bad idea
[06:56] <Amaranth> 2.6.11 isn't supported and is known to break things
[06:56] <kaouete> hi
[06:56] <monkey89> all righyt
[06:57] <monkey89> i think im going to try rebooting with "noinotify" on the boot options, i think it might work
[06:57] <crimsun> monkey89: are you using Hoary?
[06:57] <monkey89> yes
[06:57] <crimsun> monkey89: and a Hoary-provided kernel?
[06:57] <monkey89> yes
[06:57] <monkey89> there's a bug about it with no solution, it seems
[06:57] <crimsun> monkey89: then "noinotify" isn't needed
[06:57] <monkey89> then why doesn't gnome recognize the disk, crimsun? :)
[06:58] <crimsun> monkey89: inotify is disabled by default; it has to be enabled explicitly
[06:58] <kaouete> someone knows how to have composite working with i810 driver ? here i activate it, and RENDER too, and if i look to Xorg.log, it says COMPOSITE is enabled (DAMAGE and RENDER too) but if i run xompmgr, it tells me "No composite extension" :/
[06:58] <crimsun> monkey89: I just reattached; let me read scrollback
[06:58] <monkey89> thanky
[06:58] <wiBo> hi, i got kernel panic now :S
[06:59] <monkey89> crimsun, also, I beg to differ about the noinotify: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16972&highlight=noinotify
[06:59] <wiBo> [...]  Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[07:00] <crimsun> monkey89: uname -r
[07:00] <monkey89> crimsun, 2.6.10-5-686
[07:00] <crimsun> monkey89: those kernels have inotify disabled by default
[07:00] <kaouete> and why enable inotify ?
[07:01] <monkey89> crimsun, i dont know though... the forum post says that that adding noinotify to the flags for 2.6.10-4 (which i had prior to upgrading) fixed it
[07:01] <crimsun> monkey89: it fixes the issue with the _older_ epoch (2.6.10-3-foo)
[07:01] <jordanau> is Icewm install anything more than downloading it from synaptic?? I am looking for a howto and dont see one
[07:02] <crimsun> monkey89: the entire 2.6.10-5-foo epoch disables inotify by default
[07:02] <monkey89> crimsun, well ok... so what do you suggest I do so I don't have to restart dbus-1 to get my drive recognized?
[07:02] <monkey89> it seems this never works the first time I try :(
[07:02] <crimsun> monkey89: without restarting dbus-1, does it work the second time you plug it in?
[07:03] <monkey89> crimsun, its an internal HD
[07:03] <monkey89> crimsun, cd's show up without restarting dbus-1, its just the drive
[07:03] <tomas-> go figure, but i was asked by #gnu to come here to ask a question about GPL
[07:03] <syn-ack> hah, thats funny
[07:04] <crimsun> monkey89: please paste /var/log/dmesg onto http://pastebin.ca
[07:04] <crimsun> tomas-: pertaining to...?
[07:04] <monkey89> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8202 (and thanks for the help, btw)
[07:05] <tomas-> if i decide to have non-GPL commercial software utilize GPL software (such as a web application using some third-party perl libraries), and decide to bundle those libraries with the software purely for convenience upon the end-user (who might not know how to do installs of third-party software), and NOT because of intent to sell any part of the GPL software, would this be a problem?
[07:05] <rvirani> so anyways
[07:05] <rvirani> where do I get good admin docs for Ubuntu - from the sysadmin perspective
[07:06] <syn-ack> tomas-: the techical answer is yes
[07:06] <syn-ack> technical, too
[07:06] <bob2> rvirani: it's the same as every other unix, more or less
[07:06] <bob2> buy a good Debian book.  I hear the o'reilly one is good.
[07:07] <Liz> is there a good debian book?
[07:07] <bob2> tomas-: get a lawyer
[07:07] <tomas-> syn-ack, why? i would make sure it's clear that it uses free third party software that is unmodified
[07:07] <dmn> hi, any opensource/free grammar tool?
[07:07] <syn-ack> tomas-: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPL
[07:07] <rvirani> bob2: alright and no it isnt 'the same' if it was I wouldnt be asking you :D
[07:08] <syn-ack> tomas-: for something like this, you may want to consider LGPL
[07:08] <bob2> rvirani: yes it is
[07:08] <rvirani> bob2: nope, it aint, unix doesnt use apt
[07:08] <teaker> join #debian-zh
[07:08] <bob2> rvirani: indeed
[07:08] <crimsun> monkey89: so you have 2 HDs and 1 DVD+RW, correct?
[07:08] <monkey89> crimsun, correct.
[07:09] <bob2> and Debian doesn't use /etc/rc.local, but it's not a very big difference
[07:09] <rvirani> there are other things to for example startup / shutdown init scripts and the like
[07:09] <crimsun> monkey89: they seem to be detected just fine.  What seems to be the issue?
[07:09] <rvirani> bob2: you are correct but I would like to be well informed about the small differences
[07:09] <bob2> rvirani: getting a Debian book would be a good idea then.
[07:09] <rvirani> Im sure if I admined a debian box like I did say a slackware box...
[07:09] <bob2> rvirani: or "linux in a nutshell"
[07:09] <rvirani> some people might have a crap
[07:09] <monkey89> crimsun, I have hdb1 mounting in /media/Backup, but gnome-volume-manager isn't recognizing it (so it doesn't appear as a choice on the desktop or in the file manager) until i restart dbus-1
[07:09] <rvirani> bob2: got that one :D
[07:10] <rvirani> I'll take a look at the debian book
[07:10] <rvirani> btw is debian dead, there stable is stale?
[07:10] <tomas-> why is something "free" when it really isnt and requires a lawyer to understand? nothing bound by legal restriction is free in the sense of usage....im not EVER telling my customers that the third party libraries are mine and only available through me. im not even modifying them.
[07:10] <bob2> rvirani: no, of course not
[07:10] <bob2> tomas-: of course it's free
[07:10] <bob2> tomas-: it's only complicated because you're trying to skirt the GPL and make use of Free software from your proprietary atuff
[07:11] <bob2> if your stuff was under a GPL-compatible license, there would not be any issue at all
[07:11] <tomas-> well honestly, the end-user would know about the third-party libraries and if they wanted ot get them themselves, whatever, but im just bundling them automatically for the novice
[07:11] <bob2> there you go
[07:11] <crimsun> monkey89: try creating a /Backup and mounting it there instead of /media/Backup
[07:12] <monkey89> crimsun, k
[07:12] <tomas-> i dont see how that violates the GPL, in the situation where the end commercial non-GPL product is significantly different than the GPL product and is not a derivative at all, but simply dependent upon (so if they want to get a stock version, they can)
[07:12] <syn-ack> tomas-: thats not the point. The point is: If Its Not Under A Free Licence, It CANNOT Be distrubuted with free software.
[07:13] <bob2> syn-ack: er
[07:13] <bob2> syn-ack: no
[07:13] <syn-ack> or link, something like that.
[07:13] <bob2> this is why I said to get a lawyer, so you don't get misled by confused people on IRC
[07:13] <tomas-> i dont see how that's free
[07:13] <monkey89> crimsun, i have to reboot, brb
[07:14] <syn-ack> I would have to re-read it, its been years
[07:14] <bob2> syn-ack: consider if it was a BSD-licensed library
[07:14] <crimsun> tomas-: your best bet really is to get a lawyer specialising in IP
[07:14] <bob2> blah IP
[07:14] <syn-ack> bob2: Well, thats GPL compliant.
[07:14] <bob2> syn-ack: indeed
[07:15] <caffinated> tomas-: you can also check groklaw, iirc, they have a number of laymans-terms documents regarding computer and software related things
[07:15] <bob2> tomas-: or ask on the FSF licensing list
[07:15] <bob2> etc
[07:15] <bob2> asking for help with skirting the GPL on a user IRC channel seems kinda silly
[07:15] <claint> this is not very dandy. updating ubuntu took out all the other operating systems in my menu.lst, de-resolutionized my XF86Config. I am now fixing it. but someone not proficient would be at a loss. What kind of update is this? is there somewhere where we can issue bugs?
[07:15] <bob2> tomas-: www.opensource.org probably also has lists for asking stuff like that
[07:15] <Amaranth> tomas-: Your non-GPL code requires GPL'd code to function?
[07:15] <jeffsch> tomas: your answer may be here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
[07:16] <bob2> claint: er, of course, the BTS: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:16] <bob2> claint: note that hoary doesn't use XF86Config-4 at all
[07:16] <monkey89> crimsun, now it doesn't even appear after a dbus restart.  I think gnome-volume-manager requires it to be in /media
[07:17] <crimsun> monkey89: did you modify /etc/fstab correspondingly?
[07:17] <monkey89> crimsun, yes, and it was mounetd
[07:17] <monkey89> just not recognized by gnome
[07:17] <nix000> is there a way in nautilus to define what is the search path and env var in effect ?
[07:18] <crimsun> monkey89: odd.
[07:18] <claint> XF86 doesn't matter. grub is more important. this is real bad. it should at least made copies of the last files of something, which i will ask, does it make backups of config files anywhere?
[07:18] <tomas-> honestly, im not modifying any GPL code, im not changing the license on the GPL code, im not saying the GPL code's functionality is mine. i have a drastically different commercial product that uses these underlying libraries, which is only sensible to not reinvent the wheel, but for the sake of the layman, i would want the option to bundle the third-party software automatically (yet disclosing that it's not mine, not modified, and
[07:18] <tomas-> if they want to get it from the original side, they can go ahead)
[07:19] <crimsun> monkey89: I'm stumped (but you're correct regarding /media/*)
[07:19] <bob2> tomas-: you do realise you can't link non-GPL-compatible code to GPL-license- code and distirbute the result, right?
[07:19] <bob2> claint: please file a bug then, I've not heard of that happening to anyone
[07:19] <crimsun> monkey89: it should not matter at all where it's mounted
[07:19] <monkey89> crimsun, ok, thanks anyways for the help... im going to look into inotify, maybe it needs to be ienabled?
[07:19] <crimsun> monkey89: that's one thing to try, but be aware it's disabled for a reason ;)
[07:20] <monkey89> hehe
[07:20] <nix000> tomas-, you just want an excuse to not play by the rules ... thas exactly what the GPL is supposed to stop you from.
[07:20] <monkey89> i feel like it could also be gamin/fam
[07:20] <claint> bob2: so a regular update keeps your grub menu list with the old entries (it is a kernel update) and keeps your XF86Config untouched?
[07:20] <CoRzA> hey guys
[07:20] <monkey89> im going to reinstall fam... meh
[07:20] <bob2> claint: my grub menu list has not been touched, and as I said, hoary does not use XFree86
[07:21] <claint> bob2: i am talking about warty though.
[07:21] <rvirani> bob2: the book is out of print
[07:21] <bob2> claint: grub and the X server got updated in warty?
[07:21] <daniels> claint: it won't touch your XF86Config-4; you have to ask very, very, very, very nicely (and rather explicitly) for it to do that
[07:21] <nis_> corza: hi
[07:22] <daniels> bob2: no, kernel update; i assume he modified /boot/grub/menu.lst without paying attention to the comments that said 'do this if you want your changes to be preserved'
[07:22] <bob2> ahh
[07:22] <n4cht> whew.
[07:22] <bob2> n4cht: please turn that off
[07:23] <tomas-> i understand the GPL says this, but ultimately what is the purpose/benefit to the end-user? by making use of my commercial more difficult because they dont have the skill to get the third part software themselves?
[07:23] <claint> daniels: no questions asked. i used that synaptic thing instead of apt-get and boom. menu.lst is gone, it made it real basic with only ubuntu stuff, and XF86C.... is gone as well. 640x res only in it.
[07:23] <claint> daniels: it didn't ask a thing.
[07:23] <bob2> claint: did you ever modify your grub config manually?
[07:23] <claint> claint: yes i did.
[07:23] <bob2> there you go
[07:23] <claint> bob2:^
[07:23] <bob2> read the comments in that file again
[07:23] <tomas-> another similar thought. what about selling web SERVICES utilizing open source (GPL) software? such as if i had some portal site that used a gpl webmail client, would that be a problem? there's no distribution at all, its a web service
[07:24] <claint> bob2: i had also edited XF86Config.......
[07:24] <bob2> tomas-: the benefit is supposed to b ethat it encourages proprietary software vendors to Free their software so they can make use of cool GPL libraries
[07:24] <akk> tomas-: One benefit to the end user is that if more people write GPL software, then every user gets to use it.
[07:24] <claint> bob2: previously
[07:24] <bob2> claint: haha
[07:24] <n4cht> bob2, no thanks.  unless there's some channel rule against it, which i'm fairly certain there isn't.  (yes, i'm aware you asked nicely... however, i just got home, i'm sick, i'm tired, and i'm feeling terribly bitchy.  many apologies for targetting you with my ire.)
[07:24] <bob2> n4cht: it's strongly discouraged because it's annoying and would become extremely annoying if everyone in here used it
[07:24] <claint> bob2: i don't understand. we are using linux and we are not supposed to edit the config files?
[07:24] <akk> tomas-: Including the users who wrote the libraries, so part of their "payment" for that effort is that they get to use other people's free software.
[07:25] <bob2> claint: "we" are supposed to read comments before modifying generated files
[07:25] <bob2> tomas-: the webservice "loophole" is not forbidden, but apparently richard stallman is looking at it for the GPL, v3
[07:26] <claint> bob2: ok, i musta missed those comments in the menu.lst. so you got me on that one.
[07:26] <bob2> claint: don't know about X, sorry
[07:26] <StickyD> anyone know how to make ubuntu work in a MS Virtual PC
[07:26] <n4cht> StickyD, MS Virtual PC?
[07:27] <StickyD> it comes up but i think its showing to many colors
[07:27] <tomas-> well honestly, how are small-time people supposed to get by as self-employed sole proprietors without depending on large corporations, who are the only ones these days that have the manpower to make every last pit of code proprietary? isnt it the fascism of large corporations and their forcing of their software and eliminating all others that the GPL is against? how can a small time person compete with them when their software eith
[07:27] <tomas-> er requires a more advanced user to know how to install dependencies, or needs to reinvent the wheel
[07:27] <bob2> StickyD: VPC is buggy and requires you to run X in 16-bit mode, aiui
[07:28] <Tugg> hey hey hey
[07:28] <tomas-> bob2, so lets pretend apache was GPL....then every last ISP out there using Apache would need to pay royalties on top of their other horrible expenses just to provide web space to people?
[07:28] <bob2> tomas-: I don't think the GPL was designed to encourage proprietary software vendors, large or small
[07:28] <sono> rvirani, I tried to make my usb card the default gnome audio output, but your suggestion didn't worked.  I created the /dev/sound symlink to the card's location...
[07:28] <bob2> tomas-: er, of course not
[07:28] <StickyD> how do i tell it to use 16bit at boot
[07:28] <bob2> tomas-: where did you get that idea from?  or was it some sort of lame troll?
[07:28] <sono> the link worked, but nothing more...
[07:28] <tomas-> well, you mentioned it as a 'loophole'
[07:29] <tomas-> that is meaning to be 'patched'
[07:29] <akk> Why would isps need to pay royalties to use apache?
[07:29] <bob2> tomas-: and then if companies CHOSE to use software licensed under that license, they would have to comply with the license
[07:29] <sono> crimsun... could you please tell us how to route gstreamer/gnome default sound output to a USB audio device?
[07:30] <bob2> tomas-: which might involve linking to a to a tarball of apache or something
[07:30] <nis_> the isp's aren't deriving new for-hire software from the apache base code.
[07:30] <bob2> tomas-: tell me, can I download and use your software for free?
[07:30] <crimsun> sono: err...do you have multiple sound cards?
[07:30] <akk> ISPs which use linux aren't paying royalties for that ...
[07:30] <Tugg> cause SCO and Microsoft try to use software patents to f over the world
[07:30] <tomas-> bob2, well honestly, it's a web SERVICE, nothing to download or copy or distribute
[07:30] <sono> yes crimsun, an internal one, and an M-Audio external card that do works with alsa and jack directly
[07:30] <bob2> tomas-: presumably there's some code that runs on the server?  can I have it?
[07:30] <sono> s/do/does
[07:31] <crimsun> sono: I presume the internal one is card0, and the m-audio is card1?
[07:31] <sono> true
[07:31] <crimsun> sono: then simply tell alsa to prefer all other cards before the internal one.  Which driver does it use?
[07:31] <tomas-> bob2, you can have every last bit of GPL software, but im not going to spend the time to give it to you, i have a right to make a living and not work for free
[07:31] <tomas-> i also have a right to refuse to give my software away when it's purely a web service
[07:32] <tomas-> even if it DOES use GPL software -- apache, perl, mysql, etc (yeah, not quite gpl, but still)
[07:32] <sono> crimsun: see friend... gnome is using the ESD driver
[07:32] <tomas-> bob2, do you have a point?
[07:32] <bob2> tomas-: indeed
[07:32] <nis> ;)
[07:32] <crimsun> sono: cat /proc/asound/modules, please.
[07:32] <bob2> tomas-: my point is that you can't whine that people won't let you make use of their software for free
[07:32] <Tugg> what is this entire GPL discussion about
[07:33] <Skaaa> can someone help me with setting up samba properly?
[07:33] <nix000> tomas-, if it is a web service there is nothing that forces you to give the source since you are not shipping any binary/source to customers.
[07:33] <tomas-> bob2, who would do that? i can understand if the license says so
[07:33] <sono> crimsun: oh I see... 0 snd_via82xx (yuck!!!) & 1 snd_usb_audio
[07:33] <tomas-> but i dont think gpl covers that
[07:33] <claint> bob2: allright. thanks for the info. sorry if i sounded pissed, which i was ;-p. if it was my first time editing a grub file i would have read that i guess.
[07:33] <crimsun> sono: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[07:34] <crimsun> sono: after you reboot, it will work
[07:34] <bob2> tomas-: if you link a proprietary hunk of code to a GPL library, you make a derivative, which is either a) undistributable or b) under the GPL.  at least according to the FSF's interpretation.
[07:34] <nis> tomas- are you interested in navigating the language of the GPL .. or advocating for a change of such language?
[07:34] <sono> criumsun: oh! I see...
[07:34] <Skaaa> linux newbie needs help setting up samba, please assist
[07:34] <Jimbob> Skaaa: perhaps, what are you trying to do?
[07:35] <Skaaa> i need to get it to network with my PC
[07:35] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Okay, just simple file-sharing?
[07:35] <Skaaa> jimbob:i have windows xp on one and warty on the other
[07:35] <Jimbob> OK
[07:35] <nix000> bob2, he is allowed to make modifications and keep it as long as it is internal to his organisation tho.
[07:35] <tomas-> bob2, what about the idea that having software proprietary is so that a competitor cant buy your software and redistribute it under a new name for their own benefit but none of the work? what if they hack away at it enough that it looks different, but is 90% the same underlying code? wouldnt it make sense to then have some proprietary software?
[07:35] <Skaaa> jimbob:pretty much, i need to transfer files for setting up a call of duty server
[07:35] <sono> Crimsun: I will cat at alsa-base, do what you told me and reboot... thx once again Crimsun. I owe you some now... maybe one more today.
[07:35] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK
[07:36] <crimsun> sono: np
[07:36] <tomas-> i mean if a competitor does a good job at hacking the software, you might not EVER find out, NOR be able to prove that they stole it
[07:36] <corza> Hey guys, I have downloaded imwheel and unpacked it I'm wondering how to execute it could anyone help me?
[07:36] <bob2> nix000: of course
[07:36] <tomas-> this is all assuming everything needs to be GPL
[07:36] <Tugg> tomas-, that is against what free software is all about
[07:36] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Are you familiar with /etc/samba/smb.conf?
[07:37] <bob2> tomas-: not in my opinion, but you're entitled to your own
[07:37] <Skaaa> jimbob: to tell you the truth i know almost nothing about linux, i am very good with windows and undertand the BASICS of many languages
[07:37] <Tugg> if you use free software, then what ever changes you make to it you need to give back to the community
[07:37] <Skaaa> but no
[07:37] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK
[07:37] <Skaaa> linux i know nothing
[07:37] <tomas-> so then everything should be GPL and software companies will be going bankrupt because people will be freely stealing the software and making all sorts of senseless profits?
[07:38] <Jimbob> Skaaa: /etc/samba/smb.conf is a plain-text file that stores the samba config
[07:38] <nis> Tugg: if you even bother to publish at all. ;)
[07:38] <Tugg> tomas-, I dont see red hat going out of business
[07:38] <Skaaa> Jimbob:ok
[07:38] <Jimbob> Skaaa: There *may* be a "Shares" configuration UI in the Administration/System/Whatever-it's-called menu
[07:38] <Tugg> you can make plenty of money on "free" software
[07:38] <nix000> tomas-, just play by the rules . if you dont like them live them. dont bent the rules of the game. having said that the gpl still allows to keep internal mods to yourself as long as you are no "shipping" a product. so whats is the issue ?
[07:39] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'm on Hoary, which has it, but I don't know if it existed when Warty was released...
[07:39] <bob2> tomas-: er, no
[07:39] <bob2> tomas-: all the stuff I do for work is under the GPL, and I get paid for it
[07:39] <Skaaa> jimbob:ok
[07:39] <SuperL4g> any of you guys run Ubuntu on PPC?
[07:39] <bob2> SuperL4g: yes
[07:39] <Tugg> tomas-, what is you gave someone the code you wrote, they improve on it then gave it back to you and then your profits then go up
[07:39] <SuperL4g> Is the fact that they don't wake from sleep right, a known issue?
[07:39] <nis> bob2: what kernel?
[07:39] <bob2> nis: hm?
[07:40] <bob2> nis: oh, on ppc?
[07:40] <nix000> bob2, i bet it took a while to get there no ?
[07:40] <nis> bob2: which ppc kernel u run?
[07:40] <Skaaa> jimbob:hold on, im having a new problem, sigh
[07:40] <bob2> SuperL4g: depends what version of ubuntu and what hardware
[07:40] <SuperL4g> I have an iBook G3 900.  When I try to wake the machine from a sleep state, it doesn't come up
[07:40] <bob2> nis: oh, 2.6.8.1, iirc
[07:40] <nis> bob2: tnx.
[07:40] <bob2> nix000: it took a long while for the company to release gpl stuff?
[07:40] <SuperL4g> bob2: I tried the latest Hoary daily, and Kubuntu daily
[07:40] <Tugg> SuSE developed ALSA... now all the linux distros use it but they are filing for bankrupsy
[07:40] <fabbione> SuperL4g: you might want to disable dri from X
[07:40] <bob2> SuperL4g: known bug, 1940, iirc
[07:41] <SuperL4g> fabbione: tied to DRI, eh?
[07:41] <fabbione> SuperL4g: apparently yes
[07:41] <bob2> SuperL4g: hal is the other issue, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[07:41] <Skaaa> I AM A VERY UNHAPPY CAMPER, I TRY TO START THE OTHER COMPUTER AND NO OPERATING SYSTEM FOUND! I RAN IT FINE A FEW GHOURS AGO!
[07:41] <nix000> bob2, to get paid doing gpl stuff. i assume companies just opening their code is just a new and rare phenomenon. more likely to get paid after starting a project and getting noticed.
[07:42] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The windows computer, you mean?
[07:42] <JDahl> another bug in Hoary seems to be that you often lose control of the terminal after you resize it
[07:42] <Skaaa> no
[07:42] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The linux one?
[07:42] <bob2> nix000: oh, no, this project has been GPL since we started it
[07:42] <Skaaa> i am on the windows computer now
[07:42] <Skaaa> yeah
[07:42] <Jimbob> Ok
[07:42] <bob2> nix000: tho it is a branch of an existing GPL codebase
[07:42] <geneo93> nite all
[07:42] <tomas-> honestly, whether i sell software and have an install program that downloads some gpl libraries and utilizes them, or whether i distribute the software with the library already bundled (still doing an install, but ONLY avoiding an internet download by the user), there really is no genuine difference...but from what i understand the former is illegal, relating to GPL libraries and non-GPL commercial software
[07:42] <tomas-> that part i just dont get
[07:42] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Put the warty CD in the linux machine, and boot to the "boot:" or "linux" prompt (whatever it's called)
[07:42] <bob2> tomas-: no, not illegal, but perhaps a breach of your license
[07:42] <nix000> bob2, and you got paid right from the begining ?
[07:43] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'll walk you through fixing your linux box
[07:43] <Skaaa> ok
[07:43] <Skaaa> thanks : )
[07:43] <bob2> tomas-: you need to go read the GPL FAQ, it sounds like you're just linking to GPL code from a GPL-incompatible program
[07:43] <Jimbob> Skaaa: np
[07:43] <Skaaa> live cd right?
[07:43] <bob2> nix000: hm, we started on the project after I started working here, so yeah
[07:43] <Jimbob> Skaaa: How did you install warty on the machine (or did you?)
[07:43] <Tugg> tomas-, its not about what is legal, it is what is best for the community, if we all give back then we can all reap the benefits, the only losers are those in redmond
[07:44] <nix000> bob2, ok ... what is the project anyway ?
[07:44] <Skaaa> in the mail my friend got a box of like 100 cds
[07:44] <Skaaa> of warty
[07:44] <bob2> nix000: bazaar.canonical.com
[07:44] <Skaaa> and gave me one cause i needed an OS for the comp i built out of broken computers
[07:44] <Skaaa> i used an install cd
[07:44] <Tugg> if the big nix's like redhat, debian, suse never contributed back then we wouldnt be using ubuntu today
[07:44] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK, put the CD you used into the machine
[07:45] <claint> bob2: ok, now to come back to the XF86Config thingie. you have said that the hoary doesnt use it. seems like my warty's not using it as well. so where/how do you set your resolutions/X now?
[07:45] <Skaaa> oh wait now, it didnt find the boot CD either, my mother board is having a problem im guessing
[07:45] <tomas-> yeah, its purely linking, but where do you draw the line? can it be distributed in the same binary .tgz file? can it reside in the same directory on the server? must it be different servers? no matter what, there is no MORE profit taken from the work that the original authors of the GPL software did, whether bundled in the same downloadable file versus installed from separate files, separate servers
[07:45] <Skaaa> this is a harware issue i think
[07:45] <claint> bob2: or could you give me a link.... about it.
[07:45] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Hrm, sounds like.
[07:45] <stephen_> hi, how do i mount my usb hard drive?
[07:45] <stephen_> it's a USB HD
[07:45] <Tugg> tomas-, you dont have to bundle it you just have to offer it
[07:45] <Jimbob> Skaaa: (of course, I've no idea :-))
[07:45] <tomas-> Tugg, yeah well then why not make it easy for all the software people at microsoft to start up their own small businesses using GPL?
[07:46] <tomas-> Tugg, huh?
[07:46] <Tugg> like if I sent you an email and said, can I get the sorce you use, you would be like sure here it is
[07:46] <stephen_> can someone help me?
[07:46] <bob2> claint: nevermind
[07:46] <tomas-> Tugg- not the code i wrote, but the libraries i use, sure
[07:46] <nix000> bob2, i have an itch to scratch about code revisions based on relational databases. never had the time so far.
[07:46] <Skaaa> i pulled an "open-the-box-and-unplug-everything-then-plug-it-bck-in"
[07:46] <claint> bob2: what?
[07:46] <bob2> tomas-: the line is drawn at whatever copyright law considers to be derivation
[07:46] <stephen_> Mouting a USB hard drive............. How do i do?
[07:46] <Skaaa> oit appears to be working.
[07:46] <Skaaa> and AHEM
[07:46] <Skaaa> no
[07:46] <Tugg> tomas-, if they want to start dumping money into linux then that would be great, look at novell
[07:46] <Jimbob> Skaaa: where "working" == "booting into linux"?
[07:46] <bob2> tomas-: it's believed that linking crosses that line, but it hasn't yet gone to court, so no one really knows
[07:47] <Tugg> but the GPL MAKES them give what the take back
[07:47] <bob2> claint: nevermind.  hoary uses X.org, which uses a different config file.  warty uses xfree86, which uses the file you have.
[07:47] <Tugg> that is why we have the GPL
[07:47] <stephen__> how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu?
[07:47] <Skaaa> "working" == does not display message "I hate you louie"
[07:47] <Tugg> so you cant take and not give
[07:47] <nix000> bob2, the closest i came across was from stellation an eclipse hosted project
[07:47] <Skaaa> ok boot CD is working
[07:47] <Jimbob> Uh, OK
[07:47] <stephen__> how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu??
[07:47] <claint> bob2: hmmm, odd, because i am not getting the resolutions in the file.
[07:47] <Skaaa> hard drive isnt
[07:47] <Jimbob> Ok
[07:47] <stephen__> how do i mount a USB hard drive in Ubuntu?!
[07:47] <crimsun> stephen__: pmount stuff
[07:48] <crimsun> stephen__: or just plug it in
[07:48] <stephen__> pmount what?
[07:48] <Tugg> thats why companies like netgear are in getting sued by the FSF, because they used GPL code and dont release the source
[07:48] <bob2> nix000: monotone uses sqlite
[07:48] <crimsun> stephen__: pmount /dev/sda1 stuff
[07:48] <stephen__> FUCKING WROTE THIS DOWN and GAY ASS Computer SAY it can go bye bye
[07:48] <bob2> stephen__: stop it
[07:48] <Jimbob> Skaaa: OK, when the little "boot" prompt comes up on the CD, type expert
[07:48] <Skaaa> okay
[07:48] <stephen__> do u kno whow to?
[07:48] <tomas-> this is honestly a nightmare, not that gpl is horrible, its just got some confusing logic to it that just doesnt make sense in some situations..sometimes reality can steer away from intentions and turn to hell
[07:48] <stephen__> it involed using the windows folder
[07:48] <Skaaa> thats going to happen in a second i think
[07:49] <stephen__> started with pmount
[07:49] <crimsun> stephen__: does it not appear when you simply plug it in?
[07:49] <stephen__> sda5
[07:49] <stephen__> No
[07:49] <crimsun> stephen__: then pmount /dev/sda5 stuff
[07:49] <bob2> tomas-: anyway, you're way better off asking the FSF or opensource.org.  good luck.
[07:49] <stephen__> Of CouRsE nOt it never Has only in XP
[07:49] <stephen__> i dont know that STUFF
[07:49] <tomas-> Tugg, so netgear releasing the source of the GPL stuff they have, or their OWN proprietary work?
[07:49] <bob2> stephen__: please chill out
[07:49] <stephen__> K
[07:49] <bob2> claint: it turns out to not be as good an idea as you'd think
[07:49] <Tugg> tomas-, if you dont like the gpl then dont use the software, just like I dont like how microsoft puts limits on the use of there software, so I dont use it
[07:49] <claint> general questions then: in warty, would anyone care to guess why i get different lowres that i have in my XF86Config file? I have updated ...
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Anyways, when it starts doing the "installer" stuff, hit CTRL+ALT+F2 -- it should say something like "Hit enter to start this console"
[07:50] <stephen__> i had to make a windows folder
[07:50] <claint> bob2: using xorg you mean?
[07:50] <Skaaa> okay
[07:50] <stephen__> i dont know
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> claint,  sure its not looking at the xorg.conf file?
[07:50] <stephen__> ANYONE
[07:50] <bob2> tomas-: they comply with the GPL by releasing any GPL software they modify or link with
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Hit enter
[07:50] <Skaaa> i passed it before, now its doing expert
[07:50] <Tugg> they have to release all gpl source code AND any modifications and changes made to that code
[07:50] <bob2> claint: bah, sorry, not you
[07:50] <bob2> stephen__: chill out, jeez
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok
[07:50] <bob2> stephen__: ranting and raving will encourage people to not bother trying to help you
[07:50] <tomas-> alright then, its been a nice, confusing talk
[07:50] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Anyways, when you get to the little "busybox#" prompt on the F2 console, lemme know
[07:50] <Tugg> if you take program foo (that is gpl) and change the code in it, you have to give all that back
[07:50] <stephen__> It's late... had a few drinks
[07:51] <claint> Dr_Willis: i think i got xfree.
[07:51] <bob2> nix000: turns out to not be as good an idea as you'd think
[07:51] <bob2> stephen__: so, your question is "How do I mount a USB hard drive under warty?"?
[07:51] <nix000> bob2, what is the issue(s) ?
[07:51] <Skaaa> i think im there....
[07:51] <claint> Dr_Willis: it is warty.
[07:51] <Tugg> if you use program foo then write program bar to work along side it (with out changing foo) then you can keep bar but you have to release foo
[07:51] <Skaaa> it says "Load SCSI Modules?"
[07:51] <stephen__> yeah
[07:51] <stephen__> bob2 yeah
[07:51] <Skaaa> and then enter full file names, etc
[07:51] <claint> Dr_Willis: since everyone has gone hoary it was probably a mistake installing warty.
[07:51] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, hit CTRL+ALT+F2
[07:52] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Is your HD an IDE or SCSI
[07:52] <Jimbob> ?
[07:52] <stephen__> i was here before cuz of it and i wrote it down but it gone now. IT involded a folder i created called windows, sda5, ntfs
[07:52] <nix000> bob2, even rational clearcase uses a db i heard . and its a darn prove it works to me.
[07:52] <bob2> stephen__: does the disk have NTFS or HFS filesystems?
[07:52] <Skaaa> uhhhh
[07:52] <Skaaa> not sure
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> a usb drive should show up (check dmesg output) as a scsi device. ie : sdb, sdc, and so on..  you should be able to manually mount the thing wherever you want.   the auto-mounting serivices may be getting confused.
[07:52] <stephen__> NtFs
[07:52] <bob2> nix000: rational is kinda massively over-engineered, tho
[07:52] <Skaaa> but alt ctrl f2 did not give response
[07:52] <bob2> stephen__: so, that's a pain in the arse, and willo only be usable read-only in ubuntu
[07:52] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[07:52] <bob2> stephen__: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt"
[07:52] <Jimbob> Ok, hit "enter" through the prompts up to the "partition the disk" one
[07:53] <stephen__> ..? folder cannot be displayed
[07:53] <stephen__> the fook
[07:53] <Jimbob> (Don't hit enter on the "partitioning" prompts, that'll overwrite the installation you've already got)
[07:53] <nix000> bob2, expensive as well ... we had sales guys doing a demo for us .. and i was sold.
[07:53] <stephen__> hmm
[07:53] <stephen__> really?
[07:53] <stephen__> sec
[07:53] <stephen__> wtf
[07:53] <Skaaa> it asked me a lot of floppy disk stuff
[07:53] <stephen__> no it didn't work
[07:53] <Skaaa> i said no for all
[07:53] <stephen__> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt no
[07:53] <Jimbob> That's fine
[07:54] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Make sure you do "load the IDE modules"
[07:54] <stephen__> it says already mounted
[07:54] <claint> Dr_Willis: i am also using the nvidia drivers as well.
[07:54] <Skaaa> do i want to configure my console keyboard?
[07:54] <bob2> stephen__: is it already mounted?
[07:54] <stephen__> wow
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> try the 'mount' command and see where its mounted to..
[07:54] <nix000> bob2, you could script your way through evrything
[07:54] <stephen__> this is really screwed
[07:54] <stephen__> nevermind
[07:54] <stephen__> now it's mounted in the mnt folder?
[07:54] <bob2> nix000: sure, you can script baz/tla/monotone, too
[07:54] <stephen__> he eh he wow
[07:54] <stephen__> wtf
[07:54] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Sure
[07:54] <bob2> stephen__: yes
[07:54] <stephen__> thank u
[07:54] <stephen__> how i create a direct shortcut to the foldeR?
[07:54] <stephen__> u know
[07:54] <bob2> nix000: using a relational DB doesn't buy you much, tho
[07:55] <bob2> nix000: it seems peple mostly just like it because they already have DB backup stuff going on and want to make use of it
[07:55] <nix000> bob2, can you turn off changes mades by so and so between these dates ?
[07:55] <stephen__> how do i make it so i dont have to be root to look at the foldeR?
[07:55] <claint> stephen__: ln -s /mnt/wherever /myshortcut
[07:55] <Skaaa> i bet the problems were from the simple fact that i switched the mouse from a USB to that other kind
[07:55] <Skaaa> cause its just reconfiguring everything
[07:55] <claint> stephen__: when you mount, mount with -o user,umask=000 option
[07:55] <bob2> nix000: sure
[07:56] <corza> hey guys i'm having a problem with my intellimouse explorer i changed some settings in the .conf file and my wheel goes back and forward and my back and forward buttons scroll.. how can i fix that?
[07:56] <bob2> nix000: unmerge their changes
[07:56] <stephen__> so? what do i typE?
[07:56] <bob2> stephen__: chill
[07:56] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Umm, that should've have broken the HDD, that's a totally different part of Linux.
[07:56] <claint> stephen__: what are you typing now?
[07:56] <stephen__> umm
[07:56] <bob2> stephen__: sudo mount -o remount,umask=002 /mnt
[07:56] <Tugg> anyone notice no one ever talks in the kubuntu channel?
[07:56] <stephen__> hmm
[07:56] <Skaaa> i know, but its not like it said "Hard Drive Error" it said no OS found on any device
[07:56] <stephen__> na
[07:56] <stephen__> same
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> Tugg,  yea i noticed that also..
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:56] <corza> could someone help me out with my mouse?
[07:56] <stephen__> i cant few
[07:56] <nix000> bob2, its not merging . its filtering changes so that you only checkout what you need.
[07:57] <Skaaa> well, either way, its now in the desktop
[07:57] <sono> crimsun: hi again. I did what you told me. Was the usb card which produced the GDM drums... but...
[07:57] <claint> Dr_Willis: you got any ideas on my problem?
[07:57] <stephen__> grrrfe
[07:57] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok
[07:57] <nix000> bob2, and it canbe based on dates and users and whatnot
[07:57] <bob2> nix000: why would you want to exlcude someone's changes?
[07:57] <bob2> nix000: ie, why wouldn't you need them?
[07:57] <stephen__>  sudo mount -o remount,umask=002 /mnt still can't see my hd.
[07:57] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Open a terminal window (Applications->System Tools->Terminal)
[07:57] <stephen__> i know
[07:57] <stephen__> i turn off hard drive
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> claint,  not really.. ive noticed that i seem to have the same issue.. not sure whats going on...
[07:58] <sono> ...thereafter, when showing the splash screen, Sound went corrupted, and every single sound during the gnome session was corrupted as well.
[07:58] <nix000> bob2, there is always was one guy you want to avoid  :-)
[07:58] <DragoraN> hi
[07:58] <Jimbob> Skaaa: When it's up, type "cd /dev && ls" (no quotes)
[07:58] <crimsun> sono: describe "corrupt"
[07:58] <claint> Dr_Willis: but you got xorg/hoary right?
[07:58] <stephen__> how i mount agian
[07:58] <DragoraN> what channel shall i visit about wireless things?
[07:58] <claint> DragoraN: #wireless
[07:58] <Skaaa> done
[07:58] <bob2> nix000: in every other system I know of, you'd just not merge changes from them
[07:59] <bob2> stephen__: lord
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> claint,  i got soo many different machines its scary.. Im useing xorg on that one I do belive. :P
[07:59] <bob2> stephen__: I already told you, scroll up
[07:59] <stephen__> i know
[07:59] <stephen__> it mounted
[07:59] <stephen__> but i can't access
[07:59] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Is there an "ide" entry, or an "hda" entry?
[07:59] <stephen__> damn it
[07:59] <sono> crimsun: only noise is coming out...
[07:59] <stephen__> how do u log in as root ?
[07:59] <sono> crimsun: noise everytime a sound is produced
[07:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> anyone else here use both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> claint,  actually now that you mention it.. its the SUSE box im haveing the issue with.. could be theres more then 1 config  that X is useing.. or it may be skipping that part of the config file.
[08:00] <stephen__> how do u log in as root ?
[08:00] <bob2> stephen__: blah
[08:00] <Skaaa> it said bash: 1s: command not found
[08:00] <bob2> stop talking, jesus
[08:00] <stephen__> bob2:blahblahblah
[08:00] <nix000> bob2, sometimes the changes are already merged in a tree. and you want to make sure who is the cultprit today. avoiding their changes is a good thing.
[08:00] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Sorry, "LS" (lowercase)
[08:00] <bob2> stephen__: sudo mount -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:00] <claint> Dr_Willis: that is not so good.
[08:00] <bob2> stephen__: please stop being a dick to people helping you
[08:00] <sono> crimsun: very peculiar noise, as if the bitrate were wrongly interpreted by the card...
[08:00] <Skaaa> oh my bad man
[08:00] <bob2> nix000: I don't see how that could work
[08:00] <stephen__> lol
[08:00] <DragoraN> thx
[08:00] <Jimbob> Skaaa: "ls" == "list"
[08:00] <bob2> nix000: since later changes by other people could depend on it
[08:00] <stephen__> sudo mount -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:00] <stephen__> mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist
[08:00] <claint> Dr_Willis: what is the xorg config file in ubuntu? xorg.conf?
[08:00] <Jimbob> Skaaa: It's like "dir /w" in DOS
[08:01] <Jimbob> (or the Win** cmd prompt)
[08:01] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, yes
[08:01] <Skaaa> ok THAT worked
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> claint,  yes.
[08:01] <syn-ack> as a matter of fact, dir is a symlink to ls
[08:01] <bob2> stephen__: sdb5, perhaps
[08:01] <stephen__> bi
[08:01] <stephen__> no
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> claint,  actually it looks for several but i belive thats the first it looks for.
[08:01] <Skaaa> lots of yellow on black text as well as some cyan on white
[08:01] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Look for an item called "ide" or "hda"
[08:01] <sono> crimsun: could it be a gconf2 related issue? as the sound works perfectly at gdm?
[08:02] <Jimbob> Skaaa: You can search that output by doing "ls | grep (hda.*|ide)"
[08:02] <stephen__> What Could I Try
[08:02] <dmn> anybody know which software can check grammar? i've aspell to check spelling.
[08:02] <Jimbob> erm, sorry, ""ls | grep '(hda.*|ide)'"
[08:02] <Skaaa> have a hda
[08:02] <Jimbob> Ok, groovy
[08:02] <Skaaa> no ide though, just ida
[08:02] <bob2> stephen__: Not Using Camel Case
[08:02] <claint> Dr_Willis: ok, ill be back, will try a few things. thanks.
[08:02] <nix000> bob2, in terms of performance even. did you do any kind of comparison between monotone and arch ?
[08:03] <stephen__> what?
[08:03] <stephen__> i dont know what that is
[08:03] <Jimbob> hda == the physical drive that C is on
[08:03] <crimsun> sono: doubt it has anything to do with gconf
[08:03] <stephen__> using ubuntu
[08:03] <bob2> stephen__: look in /var/log/messages and see what the device is called
[08:03] <Jimbob> erm, "C:\"
[08:03] <Jimbob> That is
[08:03] <stephen__> ok
[08:03] <crimsun> sono: pgrep esd
[08:03] <Jimbob> (in windows-eese :-))
[08:03] <Skaaa> i got that though
[08:03] <sono> crimsun: i see
[08:03] <Skaaa> :-p
[08:03] <Skaaa> so what now?
[08:03] <stephen__> where i post?
[08:03] <bob2> stephen__: post what? read the file yourself.
[08:03] <sono> crimsun: 9684
[08:03] <arnaud> is there a way to switch between ati's opengl lib and xorg's gl libs ? (like gentoo's opengl-update)
[08:03] <stephen__> i dont understand
[08:04] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Does it have stuff like hda1, hda2, hda3, etc.? (lemme know how high the numbers go)
[08:04] <bob2> arnaud: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:04] <stephen__> and it dont tell me
[08:04] <arnaud> bob2, thanks
[08:04] <bob2> stephen__: you don't know what "read that file" means?
[08:04] <stephen__> i says localhost kernal
[08:04] <stephen__> and  bunch of numbers
[08:04] <bob2> dude
[08:04] <crimsun> sono: ok, please pkill esd
[08:04] <bob2> nevermind then
[08:04] <bob2> nix000: I haven't, but walter landry did...one sec
[08:04] <Skaaa> goes to hda9
[08:04] <sono> done crimsun.
[08:04] <crimsun> sono: got a mp3/ogg vorbis/wav file handy?
[08:05] <sono> yep
[08:05] <sono> both
[08:05] <Skaaa> but has like a bunch of hdb's
[08:05] <stephen__> there a way to retrieve deleted files on linux?
[08:05] <Skaaa> and even hdc's and up through hdf's
[08:05] <crimsun> sono: ok, for an mp3, you'd do: mpg123 -s foo.mp3 | aplay -Dplughw:0,0 -f cd -
[08:05] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok
[08:05] <sono> ready, here I have an OGG crimsun.
[08:05] <bob2> stephen__: depends on the filesystem type
[08:05] <stephen__> NTFS
[08:06] <sono> ok, an mp3 crimsun. hold a sec.
[08:06] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The prompt, does it have a "#" or a "$" char on it?
[08:06] <bob2> stephen__: then no
[08:06] <crimsun> sono: ogg123 -dwav -f- -- foo.ogg | aplay -Dplug:hw0,0 -f cd -
[08:06] <Jimbob> s/on/in/
[08:06] <Skaaa> $
[08:06] <bob2> stephen__: presumably windows has tools for that
[08:06] <Jimbob> Ok, type "sudo -s"
[08:06] <stephen__> what?
[08:06] <Jimbob> When it prompts you for the password, try hitting enter
[08:06] <bob2> stephen__: if you want to undelete something from an NTFS disk, use windows
[08:06] <crimsun> sono: ack, that'd be -Dplughw:0,0
[08:06] <stephen__> i can't remember
[08:06] <Skaaa> now it has a #
[08:06] <stephen__> I dont want to undelete
[08:06] <stephen__> I want to access it
[08:07] <Skaaa> no password asked
[08:07] <bob2> stephen__: lord
[08:07] <bob2> stephen__: you seem very confused
[08:07] <stephen__> but i can't because of the gay root thing
[08:07] <bob2> god, stop it
[08:07] <stephen__> stop what
[08:07] <bob2> being so damn annoying
[08:07] <bob2> if you're drunk, go away and come back tommorow
[08:07] <arnaud> bob2,  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, that's not what I wanted ... I know how to install these drivers
[08:07] <corza> hey guys could anyone help me out with my mouse???
[08:07] <stephen__> i am not drunk
[08:07] <bob2> if you're just like this all the time, then me
[08:07] <bob2> h
[08:08] <KOXAKI> can anybody help me?
[08:08] <KOXAKI> here
[08:08] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, you're now root, type "mkdir /media/hda1 /media/hda2 /media/hda3 /media/hda4"
[08:08] <arnaud> bob2, I need a way to switch from fglrx to oss drivers without the need to uninstall fglrx drivers
[08:08] <corza> i'm having trouble with my intellimouse explorer mouse could anyone help me?
[08:08] <stephen__> Yo, how u login as root
[08:08] <stephen__> username is root? admin? administartor?
[08:08] <Jimbob> stephen__: "sudo -s"
[08:08] <corza> stephen__ : sudo -s
[08:08] <bob2> stephen__: good god
[08:08] <stephen__> lol
[08:09] <stephen__> what that do
[08:09] <stephen__> sudo -s?
[08:09] <Skaaa> jimbob, not past 4?
[08:09] <corza> it logs u in as root
[08:09] <bob2> stephen__: man sudo
[08:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> arnaud, fglrx are video... oss are sound
[08:09] <stephen__> sudo?
[08:09] <Jimbob> Skaaa: May not have to
[08:09] <corza> so that you can piss around with ur machine stephen
[08:09] <stephen__> ok
[08:09] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, so, oss video drivers like open source software vide drivers
[08:09] <Jimbob> Skaaa: What I'm trying to do is find where your "/boot" is
[08:09] <stephen__> so i type in sudo -s in terminal as root? or not as root?
[08:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> that is the DRI driver
[08:10] <nix000> lol
[08:10] <corza> umm taht changes u to root stephen
[08:10] <arnaud> ok, but the free one
[08:10] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Typically on a fresh install it'll be in /dev/hda1 (the first partition on the first drive)
[08:10] <Skaaa> didnt really do anything
[08:10] <corza> it changes from normal user to root
[08:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> why do you need to switch?
[08:10] <Skaaa> read the drive for a while, i could tell by the sound it made, then nothing happened
[08:10] <stephen__> o u mean in terminal SU root thingy?
[08:10] <corza> could anyone help me out with my mouse?
[08:10] <stephen__> ya i can access my hd from terminal
[08:10] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Yeah, in linux shells, silence == success
[08:10] <corza> stephan__: yes
[08:10] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, because some things work with fglrx driver, and some only with kernel's dri
[08:10] <crimsun> sono: do either/both work?
[08:10] <stephen__> i want to access it literally
[08:11] <stephen__> so i can CLICK my Movies
[08:11] <Skaaa> im used to pretty much the opposite
[08:11] <Skaaa> heh
[08:11] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Type "ls /media" to see that it created a bunch of directories
[08:11] <corza> stephen__: type "sudo -s" it'll ask u for a password when u type it in it'll get u to root
[08:11] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, privateer remake for exmple won't work with fglrx :(
[08:11] <Skaaa> thank god you are helping me
[08:11] <stephen__> I know
[08:11] <corza> could anyone help me with my mouse?
[08:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> you could just have to xorg.conf files and switch those
[08:11] <stephen__> then what?
[08:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> two
[08:11] <stephen__> i been in root for long time
[08:11] <corza> dunno i dont even know what ur talkin bout lol i'm just helping u
[08:11] <stephen__> can i change my folder settings
[08:12] <stephen__> so i can be a ADMIN / ROOT so i dont gotta be in console and type sudo -s?
[08:12] <Jimbob> Skaaa: np
[08:12] <Skaaa> when i typed that, it shows hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 in a bluish color
[08:12] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, the problem is that special libraries are needed for ati's opengl and those libs don't work with DRI driver
[08:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> one xorg.conf could be for the DRI, the other for glrx
[08:12] <Jimbob> Yeah, the blue is the "folder" color
[08:12] <stephen__> this is beyond bull sit
[08:12] <Skaaa> ok
[08:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> well they all load at boot
[08:12] <stephen__> i go to cd /mnt in terminal works but i cant access folder because i have to many spaces
[08:12] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, type "mount"
[08:12] <sono> crimsun: ok.  it is working pretty good
[08:12] <corza> could someone help me out with my mosue??
[08:12] <stephen__> i try to access it my going my computer doesn't work
[08:13] <corza> mouse even
[08:13] <stephen__> how do i fix
[08:13] <sono> crimsun: I mean, with the ogg streaming directly
[08:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> if you switch the conf files then restart x it should work
[08:13] <Skaaa> done
[08:13] <Skaaa> (not silence)
[08:13] <arnaud> no
[08:13] <Jimbob> It should have a bunch of lines like "/dev/hda3 on / type xfs (rw)"
[08:13] <crimsun> sono: ok, so the card is fine, and alsa's fine, so something in esd is causing issues
[08:13] <stephen__> here u want this?
[08:13] <Skaaa> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:13] <sono> i see
[08:13] <stephen__> i just playing around and type in mount and i get this
[08:13] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, fglrx sets symlink from /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa
[08:13] <stephen__> mount
[08:13] <stephen__> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:13] <stephen__> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[08:13] <stephen__> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[08:13] <stephen__> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=stephen)
[08:13] <stephen__> /dev/sda5 on /mnt type ntfs (rw,umask=002)
[08:13] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, and that's why it doesn't work
[08:13] <stephen__> wtf that is
[08:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> oh
[08:14] <stephen__> FUCK U BILL GATES!
[08:14] <Skaaa> no it has a few lines like proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:14] <Jimbob> stephen__: Please, dude, restrain yourself.
[08:14] <crimsun> sono: ok, try starting esd manually, and in another Terminal, execute: mpg123 -o esd foo.mp3
[08:14] <bob2> Skaaa: please stop it
[08:14] <bob2> bah
[08:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> well then, you could write a shell script that changes it
[08:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> then run the shell script
[08:14] <stephen__> U got any ideas Jimbob?
[08:14] <Jimbob> Skaaa: (he didn't mean you, he meant stephen__)
[08:14] <Skaaa> what did i do bob?
[08:14] <Skaaa> ok
[08:14] <bob2> nix000: sorry, can't find the benchmarks
[08:14] <stephen__> what?
[08:14] <stephen__> lol
[08:14] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, gentoo has an opengl-update that changes the target of the symlinks ... I wanted to know if something like that existed for debian, ubuntu
[08:14] <bob2> Skaaa: sorry, didn't mean you
[08:14] <stephen__> o ya
[08:14] <stephen__> bob2
[08:14] <Skaaa> ok
[08:14] <stephen__> here
[08:14] <stephen__> The guy here
[08:14] <stephen__> pbrode or something
[08:14] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, sure, do you use dri drivers ?
[08:15] <nix000> bob2, what was the summary ?
[08:15] <stephen__> and mnt point was /windows
[08:15] <stephen__> WHAT is that?
[08:15] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:15] <Skaaa> jimbob: no it didnt have what you said, it had proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:15] <sono> ok crimsun, here I go
[08:15] <stephen__> and it had Ntfsand stubb
[08:15] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah i use dri
[08:15] <bob2> stephen__: dude, keep yourself under control or go
[08:15] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, that's it?
[08:15] <stephen__> WHAT!
[08:15] <stephen__> i do nothing
[08:15] <Skaaa> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[08:15] <bob2> stephen__: you're being obnoxious and annoying
[08:15] <stephen__> fuck u
[08:15] <Skaaa> then
[08:15] <nix000> lol
[08:15] <stephen__> dam it
[08:15] <stephen__> bad computer
[08:15] <stephen__> feel sorry for myself
[08:15] <stephen__> dunno y
[08:15] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, so could you send me a ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 please
[08:15] <stephen__> i know
[08:16] <stephen__> can i try a different mount point?
[08:16] <stephen__> like /windows
[08:16] <bob2> stephen__: that won't help
[08:16] <nix000> lol@stephen
[08:16] <stephen__> nix000 go to heaven
[08:16] <__mwylde> How would one mount an NTFS filesystem as writable?
[08:16] <bob2> __mwylde: you can't
[08:16] <stephen__> it might
[08:16] <stephen__> because BOB2
[08:16] <nix000> stephen__, what you want to do man ?
[08:16] <bob2> __mwylde: unless you use captive-ntfs
[08:16] <__mwylde> why not?
[08:16] <stephen__> My FRAKEN hard drive to mount
[08:16] <Skaaa> then /sys on /sys type sysfs
[08:16] <Rattboi> bob2: what about captive-ntfs?
[08:16] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Well, the important thing is something like "/dev/blahN on / type..."
[08:16] <Rattboi> oh, ok
[08:16] <stephen__> and i can access it by going computer
[08:16] <stephen__> file system
[08:16] <bob2> __mwylde: because MS doesn't document NTFS, thus linux does not support writing to it
[08:16] <nix000> stephen__, i am not an expert but i'll see what i can do here.
[08:16] <Skaaa> not there
[08:16] <bob2> stephen__: please just stop talking
[08:16] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The "on /" is the important bit
[08:17] <bob2> you're being very very annoying
[08:17] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, and ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1
[08:17] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok, that's fine
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: sudo umount /mnt
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: have you done that yet?
[08:17] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Now type "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1"
[08:17] <stephen__> DONE!
[08:17] <stephen__> now what
[08:17] <stephen__> Hd is umounted
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: stop it
[08:17] <bob2> stephen__: just shut up for 5 seconds
[08:18] <Jimbob> Skaaa: That says "make the stuff on partition1 of first hard drive available in the /mnt/hda1 directory"
[08:18] <stephen__> does not exsit
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: then find out where your drive is
[08:18] <stephen__> sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:18] <stephen__> mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist
[08:18] <Skaaa> mount point does not exist
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: you will need to read /var/log/messages all by yourself
[08:18] <Jimbob> Oh, sorry, my bad
[08:18] <stephen__> bah wtf is that?
[08:18] <Jimbob> "/media/hda1"
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: turning it off and on was stupif, you shouldn't have done that
[08:18] <Jimbob> Not "/mnt/hda1"
[08:18] <bob2> stephen__: because you turned it off and on
[08:18] <stephen__> y
[08:18] <stephen__> i restarted
[08:18] <stephen__> anyway
[08:18] <stephen__> hmm
[08:18] <bob2> god
[08:18] <Jimbob> Skaaa: The up-arrow will allow you to recall previously typed commands, BTW
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: no go away and read that file
[08:19] <stephen__> bob2 the 1 the other guy told me wasn't sudo
[08:19] <Jimbob> Skaaa: (time-saver not having to retype it all)
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: or put it online, your choice
[08:19] <stephen__> it was a P
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: that's nice
[08:19] <syn-ack> stephen__: Linux is not windows, you CANT just shut it off and expect things to work right
[08:19] <stephen__> online
[08:19] <stephen__> where
[08:19] <bob2> stephen__: dude, stop it
[08:19] <stephen__> WHERE To post
[08:19] <stephen__> where do i post?
[08:19] <bob2> ok, I'm not going to bother trying anymore, have fun
[08:19] <Skaaa> so its the same command with the one part changed?
[08:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> arnaud, the first doesnt exist
[08:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> the second is this lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-03-17 18:46 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2
[08:19] <arnaud> !
[08:20] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Yeah
[08:20] <syn-ack> bob2: is he reall that clueless? How long have you been trying with this thing?
[08:20] <stephen__> where do i post?
[08:20] <Skaaa> well
[08:20] <bob2> stephen__: > half an hour
[08:20] <Skaaa> it says it is not a valid block device
[08:20] <arnaud> ok and  libGL.so.1.2 plz
[08:20] <stephen__> what?
[08:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> wait never mind
[08:20] <stephen__> here?
[08:20] <syn-ack> bob2: I feel you pain man
[08:20] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Whoa
[08:20] <stephen__> should i post here?
[08:20] <bob2> syn-ack: I don't care if he/she is clueless, it's the obnoxiousness that annoys me
[08:20] <CoRzA> hey guys who can help me out with my mouse??
[08:20] <nix000> bob2, this is sooo funny !
[08:20] <stephen__> syn-ack do u know?
[08:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> the first is this : lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-03-17 18:46 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2
[08:20] <bob2> nix000: hm?
[08:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> I made a typo the first time
[08:20] <stephen__> nix000 do u know?
[08:20] <stephen__> good job!
[08:20] <nix000> bob2, your dialog
[08:21] <bob2> nix000: oh
[08:21] <syn-ack> stephen__: Of course I know.
[08:21] <stephen__> Tell mE please
[08:21] <bob2> stephen__: #flood
[08:21] <Liberal_Tugboat> so they both point to libGL.so.1.2
[08:21] <bob2> (and bah)
[08:21] <stephen__> ok
[08:21] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Try "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hda1"
[08:21] <nix000> stephen__, i have no idea what you want to do.
[08:21] <syn-ack> stephen__: IF you stop being stupid and PAY ATTENTION we can and will help you
[08:22] <crimsun> sono: any luck?
[08:22] <Skaaa> silence (worked?)
[08:22] <stephen__> ?
[08:22] <stephen__> ok
[08:22] <stephen__> i anit being stupid
[08:22] <stephen__> i becoming stuid..
[08:22] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Likely, yes
[08:22] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, yes, and where does libGL.so.1.2 points ?
[08:22] <syn-ack> stephen__: The best thing you can do is be quiet and listen and do ONLY as you are told, things will he a lot more smooth.
[08:22] <stephen__> No more LECTURE :)
[08:22] <EricNeon> jdub
[08:23] <EricNeon> are you here?
[08:23] <jdub> yes
[08:23] <syn-ack> stephen__: Just do as you are asked then. :)
[08:23] <Jimbob> If you type plain "mount" again, it should have a "/dev/hdb1 on /media/hda1 type ext3 (rw)"
[08:23] <jdub> yo Jimbob
[08:23] <EricNeon> I requisition a mailinglist for UbuntuChineseTeam.
[08:23] <Jimbob> Hey jdub
[08:23] <Hippo> No one asking me anything
[08:23] <jdub> EricNeon: yes, it will be done this weekend
[08:23] <Skaaa> yes
[08:23] <EricNeon> ok thank
[08:23] <CoRzA> I was wondering if anyone could help me out with my mouse??
[08:23] <Jimbob> Skaaa: groovy
[08:24] <Hippo> So what I do?
[08:24] <Jimbob> Skaaa: type "ls /media/hda1"
[08:24] <syn-ack> now Hippo as I understand ot, you are trying mount your Hard Disc, correct?
[08:24] <Hippo> No
[08:24] <syn-ack> a/ot/it.
[08:24] <Hippo> My USB HD 80GB
[08:24] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Lemme know if there's a blue "boot" listed there
[08:24] <Liberal_Tugboat> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 413376 2005-03-17 00:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[08:24] <Liberal_Tugboat> thats the path
[08:24] <Hippo> It is NTFS
[08:24] <Skaaa> yeah
[08:24] <syn-ack> Hippo: ok
[08:24] <bob2> syn-ack: the problem is actually finding out what device it is from Hippo
[08:24] <EricNeon> we are all waiting for this message
[08:24] <syn-ack> bob2: aha
[08:24] <Hippo> it was SDA5
[08:24] <bob2> since he/she seems incapable of either reading the log or pasting it somehwere
[08:25] <syn-ack> has he checked dmesg?
[08:25] <bob2> and now it's not, because you used the power switch instead of listening to me
[08:25] <syn-ack> ah
[08:25] <Hippo> i paste it
[08:25] <bob2> no, you didn't
[08:25] <Hippo> YA
[08:25] <nix000> loolll
[08:25] <Hippo> that is
[08:25] <bob2> you pasted a useless section from the begginning of the file
[08:25] <Hippo> the
[08:25] <bob2> no, it's not
[08:25] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, oh shit ! it has been delete here :(
[08:25] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Is the CD drive and the hard drive on this computer connected to the same cable?
[08:25] <Hippo> what?
[08:25] <bob2> and stop hitting enter after every word
[08:25] <bob2> Hippo: paste the END of the output
[08:25] <arnaud> Liberal_Tugboat, thanks bye !
[08:25] <Jimbob> Skaaa: physically, that is
[08:25] <Hippo> that is all that is there?
[08:25] <syn-ack> Hippo: do this. dmesg | grep SDA
[08:25] <Skaaa> what do you mean, the same cable?
[08:25] <sono> crimsun: hmmm... the mpg123 -o esd /home/sono/rec/mp3/02.mp3 reports esd as an unknown argument...
[08:26] <jeffr> hey, is there a .deb for the latest version of firefox
[08:26] <bob2> syn-ack: it won't be sda (and SDA will never match)
[08:26] <syn-ack> Hippo: do that with sudo
[08:26] <Hippo> what?
[08:26] <Hippo> sudo  dmesg | grep SDA?
[08:26] <Skaaa> going to the motherboard? no there is a cable for hdds and a cable for cd's
[08:26] <syn-ack> bob2: true
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: blah
[08:26] <Jimbob> Ok
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: paste the last 12 lines from "dmesg" to #flood
[08:26] <syn-ack> Hippo: disreguard that.
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: and do not speak again until you have done so
[08:26] <Hippo> bob2
[08:26] <crimsun> sono: hmm, what about ogg123 foo.ogg ?
[08:26] <Hippo> what is file called?
[08:26] <Hippo> it is in var/log?
[08:26] <Liberal_Tugboat> I figured out the best use for the windows key on my keyboard... open a linux terminal!!
[08:26] <sono> ok
[08:26] <bob2> Hippo: "dmesg" is a command
[08:26] <sono> hmmm
[08:26] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Does the HDD cable have two plugs on it?
[08:26] <bob2> KOXAKI: do not /msg people
[08:27] <Liberal_Tugboat> a true "window" into you OS
[08:27] <bob2> KOXAKI: you haven't asked a question yet
[08:27] <Skaaa> yes'
[08:27] <Hippo> i type in dmes and get big line
[08:27] <jeffr> can someone help
[08:27] <Hippo> Wow
[08:27] <bob2> KOXAKI: you are already bugging me
[08:27] <Hippo> what is this?
[08:27] <hou5ton_> None of these are listed in synaptic .. but I need one of them to make the sounds work in xchat:   "aplay", "esdplay", "soxplay", "artsplay"
[08:27] <bob2> KOXAKI: if you have a question, ask it in here
[08:27] <hou5ton_> what do I do?
[08:27] <sono> crimsun: working! hmmm
[08:27] <Hippo> Post dmesg on the flood
[08:27] <jeffr> is there a .deb for firefox 1.02
[08:27] <bob2> hou5ton_: they are all in Ubuntu
[08:27] <sono> crimsun: working with the esd manual start
[08:27] <syn-ack> bob2: I would have him tail it.
[08:27] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Which one is the HDD plugged into, the middle or the end?
[08:27] <KOXAKI> How to burn an Ubuntu Linux Live cd to a cd and make it bootable
[08:28] <jdub> jeffr: hoary already has firefox 1.0.2
[08:28] <bob2> Hippo: run "dmesg | tail -n12" and paste everything it prints out to #flood
[08:28] <bob2> KOXAKI: on windows?
[08:28] <kakalto> BURN
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> KOXAKI, just burn an ISO
[08:28] <Skaaa> middle
[08:28] <bob2> syn-ack: good idea, thanks
[08:28] <KOXAKI> Im using windows xp
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> it is already bootable
[08:28] <Hippo> sb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 3
[08:28] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ahh, that *may* be the problem
[08:28] <Hippo> that is all
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> you got NERO?
[08:28] <Hippo> sb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 3
[08:28] <jeffr> what about for debian>?
[08:28] <hou5ton_> bob2:  then my xchat sounds should be working
[08:28] <jdub> jeffr: i have no idea
[08:28] <crimsun> sono: under Preferences>Sound, is "Enable sound server startup" selected?
[08:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> in options select burn ISO then select the ISO you want to burn
[08:28] <bob2> hou5ton_: but not installed by default
[08:29] <Hippo> How simple only couple words
[08:29] <sono> yep
[08:29] <Skaaa> note that the current configuration of the harware in the box hasnt changed
[08:29] <bob2> Hippo: dude, stop it
[08:29] <Hippo> ??
[08:29] <sono> yep crimsun
[08:29] <bob2> Hippo: fine, do "tail -n12 /var/log/messages" to #flood
[08:29] <crimsun> sono: fresh install of Hoary or dist-upgrade?
[08:29] <KOXAKI> yes i have nero
[08:29] <KOXAKI> for burning it
[08:29] <sono> crimsun: oops... dist-upgrade...
[08:29] <Jimbob> Skaaa: My *guess* is that warty installed to the secondary disk and the BIOS doesn't allow booting off of it.
[08:30] <crimsun> sono: from what?
[08:30] <Jimbob> (since your only disk is on the "secondary" plug on the cable)
[08:30] <Hippo> NOW what?
[08:30] <Skaaa> well i have had this box running as is, the only thing that has changed was the mouse
[08:30] <sono> I worked safely with warty before, crimsun, and then dist-upgraded a month ago.
[08:30] <syn-ack> Hippo: chill out, thats what.
[08:30] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Huh. Strange.
[08:30] <Liberal_Tugboat> futurama time sweeeeeet!
[08:30] <Skaaa> i have the drive pinned out as maseter
[08:30] <Skaaa> master*
[08:30] <BilDo> Alright
[08:30] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Ok...
[08:31] <Jimbob> Well, /dev/hda* is master
[08:31] <bob2> BilDo: stop changing your nick, it's annoying
[08:31] <BilDo> I stay coool
[08:31] <Jimbob> So Linux isn't seeing it as master.
[08:31] <BilDo> I like BilDo
[08:31] <bob2> BilDo: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda5 /mnt
[08:31] <sono> should I dpkg-reconfigure something crimsun?
[08:31] <Liberal_Tugboat> ubuntu, futurama and food all at the same time... almost as good as sex
[08:31] <Skaaa> well there is physical pinout on the back of thr HDD, master vs slave
[08:31] <bob2> BilDo: then paste the WHOLE output to #flood, including what you typed
[08:31] <claint> this is driving me nuts. anyone would have an idea why I am getting nothing but 640x480 instead of my regular resolutions? Why would Xfree _not_ use XF86Config-4, anyone know?
[08:31] <Jimbob> hda == primary master, hdb == primary slave, hdc == secondary master, hdd == secondary lsave
[08:31] <hou5ton_> bob2:  so ... do i just do something like apt-get install aplay
[08:31] <Skaaa> so i should move the hard drive down on th cable?
[08:32] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, are you using Hoary?
[08:32] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: warty
[08:32] <syn-ack> Liberal_Tugboat: No, the XM PCR is better than sex. ;)
[08:32] <BilDo> Hoary Whorey
[08:32] <BilDo> lol
[08:32] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'd try that (and check the BIOS for any funky HDD settings)
[08:32] <bob2> hou5ton_: yeah
[08:32] <BilDo> Hoary the New 1?
[08:32] <Skaaa> so im going to close /dev
[08:32] <Skaaa> and shutdown
[08:32] <Skaaa> ok?
[08:32] <bob2> claint: er, why do you think it's not using it?
[08:32] <BilDo> ok?
[08:32] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, try sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:32] <Jimbob> Skaaa: Yeah, or type "shutdown -h now" from the "#" prompt
[08:33] <Jimbob> Skaaa: That'll work too
[08:33] <CoRzA> could anyone help me with the mouse problem i'm having?/
[08:33] <Liberal_Tugboat> but delete the xfree86conf file first
[08:33] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: ok, giving it a shot.
[08:33] <BilDo> it's 2:33AM amazing
[08:33] <Jimbob> (eventually that's the command that the logout stuff all runs)
[08:33] <bob2> BilDo: turn the drive off.  unplug.  plug.  turn it on.  then paste the output of "tail -n12 /var/log/messages" again to #flood.
[08:33] <BilDo> ok
[08:34] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: ok
[08:34] <crimsun> sono: no, no need to dpkg-reconfigure
[08:34] <joshua__> If I want to get Times New Roman font for firefox, do I need to download it for firefox or for gnome.  Furthermore, how do I download it? =P  Thanks.
[08:34] <bob2> joshua__: install msttcorefonts.
[08:34] <hayden> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition?
[08:34] <Jimbob> Skaaa: I'm gonna go for a smoke, I'll be back in about 10 minutes (someone else may be able to help you if it still doesn't work properly)
[08:34] <hayden> in hoary
[08:34] <crimsun> sono: you seem to be triggering an obscure session issue
[08:34] <Skaaa> ok
[08:34] <tomcat> what's a good video player for gnome?
[08:34] <crimsun> sono: unfortunately I'm leaving work now, but I'll be back in 30 mins
[08:34] <BilDo> mplayer
[08:34] <Skaaa> ill be here i am sure
[08:35] <Liberal_Tugboat> joshua__, use synaptic to dl msttfont
[08:35] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: shall I kill X and gdm?
[08:35] <Skaaa> remeber this isnt my original problem
[08:35] <sono> hmmm ok crimsun.  hehe obscure? I see...
[08:35] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, yes
[08:35] <Jimbob> Skaaa: oh, yeah
[08:35] <Skaaa> this is just crap i encountered in between
[08:35] <crimsun> sono: yes, it doesn't happen with fresh installs, only with dist-upgrades from another non-Hoary distro
[08:35] <sono> crimsun: its ok.  i'll try to be here 30 more minutes, but its late in my country...
[08:35] <joshua__> Thanks for the help.  I can use apt-get tho. :)
[08:35] <BilDo> All done
[08:35] <sono> even from Warty crimsun? ok
[08:35] <crimsun> sono: feel free to shoot me an email (crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu)
[08:36] <Liberal_Tugboat> well I just say synaptic cause I dont know the full package name
[08:36] <sono> thank you very much crimsun, I will certainly write an aknowledgement for youat the CD we are producing hehe
[08:36] <tomcat> what's a good video player for gnome?
[08:36] <hayden> gxine
[08:36] <BilDo> mplayer!
[08:36] <elmaya> vlc
[08:36] <tomcat> I don't see mplayer in synaptic
[08:36] <joshua__> I kinda like gxine myself, but vlc is grea ttoo.
[08:37] <Liberal_Tugboat> tomcat... totem is good once you get rid of gstreamer and use xine
[08:37] <joshua__> mplayer is installed by default; isn't it?
[08:37] <syn-ack> tomcat: thats because its not.
[08:37] <bob2> tomcat: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:37] <bob2> joshua__: no way
[08:37] <Liberal_Tugboat> no mplayer by defualt
[08:37] <hayden> nah its not
[08:37] <BilDo> What Now?
[08:37] <elmaya> vlc-gtk
[08:37] <elmaya> ruls
[08:37] <joshua__> O, it's totem.  I use gxine or vlc anyway. :)
[08:37] <crimsun> elmaya: wxvlc rules even more.
[08:37] <sono> ok crimsun, Ill drop you a line about this process for sure, if I can't catch you here. thx in advance.
[08:37] <crimsun> sono: great, thanks.
[08:37] <jdub> tomcat: totem-xine
[08:37] <hayden> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition in hoary (kubuntu)
[08:38] <Liberal_Tugboat> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/(drive)
[08:38] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: ok...... now where is the config file it created. it is not in /etc/X11????
[08:38] <Liberal_Tugboat> it should be
[08:38] <elmaya> totem is a piece of shit
[08:38] <BilDo> i agree
[08:39] <joshua__> I install msttcorefont, and it installed successfully.  However, Times New Roman still doesn't show up under firefox's list in preferences.
[08:39] <BilDo> ThANk U for TryInG To HElp. BoB
[08:39] <hayden> Liberal_Tugboat: how can see what the drive is 'called'
[08:39] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: nothing there.....
[08:39] <BilDo> u sure
[08:39] <hou5ton_> bob2:  apt-get is saying it can't find those packages
[08:39] <syn-ack> BilDo: How old are you? 12?
[08:39] <hou5ton_> aplay and esdplay
[08:39] <BilDo> 21
[08:39] <BilDo> 13
[08:39] <syn-ack> BilDo: you could have fooled me.
[08:39] <BilDo> what?
[08:40] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, what does "ls /etc/X11/" give you
[08:40] <joshua__> Don't give him a hard time. =P
[08:40] <BilDo> How i get this HD to work
[08:40] <syn-ack> Holy Christ, you have got to be kidding me.
[08:40] <BilDo> How i get this HD to work, noone
[08:40] <hayden> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition at boot?
[08:41] <joshua__> easy
[08:41] <syn-ack> bob2: Im done with this, I think its hopeless
[08:41] <joshua__> mount /dev/hda or wherever win is
[08:41] <Liberal_Tugboat> hayden, are you trying to write to that drive?
[08:41] <Liberal_Tugboat> cause NTFS writing is a nono under linux
[08:41] <hayden> nah
[08:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> reading is ok
[08:42] <hayden> yep
[08:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> you need to add a line to your fstab
[08:42] <hayden> just so i can read some music files and stuff
[08:42] <hayden> yea
[08:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> if you google search it you can find it pretty easy
[08:42] <hayden> i added this but it didnt work, /dev/hda1       /media/windows\ c       ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[08:42] <joshua__> Ah.  Wtf.  I clicked on "network" under computer.  And it has something on there called windows network.  I never configured file/print sharing (nor do i have any desire to)  There is a windows machine behind my router tho.  What is that?
[08:43] <hou5ton_> hayden:  it's here:  : http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:43] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: it doesn't have XF86Config or XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf
[08:43] <syn-ack> hayden: you have the mountpoint messed uo
[08:43] <syn-ack> up
[08:43] <BilDo> u guys quit helping me now?
[08:43] <hayden> what is it?
[08:43] <syn-ack> BilDo: yep
[08:43] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, really?
[08:43] <BilDo> ic.
[08:43] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: yeah, i am rather amazed myself.
[08:43] <BilDo> Should i move back to Windows?
[08:43] <Liberal_Tugboat> that is weird cause if it doesnt exist you shouldnt be able to restart X
[08:44] <syn-ack>  /media/windows\c is supposed to be  /media/windows/c , hayden
[08:44] <syn-ack> BilDo: I think you would be doing both you and us a HUGE favor if you RTFM first then asked questions later.
[08:44] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: let me test that.
[08:44] <hayden> syn-ack: no the folder name is "windows c"
[08:45] <syn-ack> hah
[08:45] <syn-ack> hayden: That isnt too good of an idea
[08:45] <syn-ack> hayden: just name it something simple like windows or some suck
[08:45] <syn-ack> such, too
[08:45] <Liberal_Tugboat> names with spaces is just trouble
[08:45] <BilDo> where?
[08:45] <hou5ton_> hayden:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[08:45] <BilDo> is the fucking manual?
[08:47] <Liberal_Tugboat> WOOHOO!! Kubuntu made the top 100 on distrowatch
[08:47] <syn-ack> joshua__: same here. :)
[08:48] <Liberal_Tugboat> everyone needs to go click the kubuntu link on distrowatch, eventually ubuntu can be #1 and #2
[08:48] <joshua__> Is Ubuntu already number 1?  It certainly should be.  All the 'easy' distros take up the top few, and Ubuntu blows any other 'easy' distrobution out of the water.  It's actually a good operating system.
[08:48] <Liberal_Tugboat> (and gentoo can fall out of the top 10)
[08:48] <hayden> ok its working thanks guys
[08:49] <Liberal_Tugboat> it is #2 only needa 84 more hits for day to overtake mandrake
[08:49] <syn-ack> Liberal_Tugboat: Theres nothing wrong with Gentoo. I run that too
[08:49] <syn-ack> ;)
[08:49] <Liberal_Tugboat> it beat it out for a week once
[08:49] <Liberal_Tugboat> syn-ack, I cant stand most of the elitist gentoo users
[08:49] <joshua__> I tried Mandrake.  I hated it.  Slow, buggy, bad package management.
[08:50] <Liberal_Tugboat> just sick of people thinking they are better cause they compile everything
[08:50] <syn-ack> Liberal_Tugboat: You're just talking to the wrong users is all
[08:50] <joshua__> I don't realy see how compiling it for your machine realy helps that much.  Compiling something for 386 as compared to 686 doesn't make all /that/ much of a difference.
[08:50] <Liberal_Tugboat> the time they save will never make up for all the time they have to compile
[08:50] <syn-ack> joshua__: and thats not the reason I use it. portage is.
[08:51] <Liberal_Tugboat> I do think gentoo is a really scalable distro
[08:51] <syn-ack> USE flags are the other reason too.
[08:51] <joshua__> Portage is cool.  I'd rather apt by far tho.  Still, to each his own.  I'm not going to be the asshole who demands everyone use wha the likes. :)
[08:51] <joshua__> what he*
[08:51] <Liberal_Tugboat> and the documentation is AMAZING!! but I like ubuntu
[08:51] <MatthewJohn> anyone here use gst-ffmpeg with totem? are the videos really choppy? i cant seem to get it to work nicely
[08:51] <joshua__> Btw, what exactly is scalability?  I hear that all the time.   Yea, the docs are great.  I learned a lot by reading them.
[08:51] <Liberal_Tugboat> I like having an entire system in 20 mins
[08:51] <syn-ack> joshua__: Dude, Gentoo and Debian* are the best distros out there.
[08:52] <UbuNas> hello :P
[08:52] <syn-ack> notice the *. ;)
[08:52] <joshua__> Debian rocks.  I don't see any advantage of it over ubuntu for my purposes tho.  Just because Ubuntu has the advantages debain would have for me + easier to install + 6 month releases.
[08:52] <Liberal_Tugboat> joshua__, because gentoo is install piece by peice, you can put it on just about ANY computer or device
[08:53] <joshua__> I see. :)
[08:53] <Liberal_Tugboat> from big servers all the way down to or crappy computers
[08:53] <syn-ack> Liberal_Tugboat: Guess what, you can do that with Debian too.
[08:53] <joshua__> Woohoo, Mandrake is going down.  That makes me happy.
[08:53] <hayden> Liberal_Tugboat: thats its downfall for regular desktop users though isnt it
[08:53] <jdub> guys, this is way off-topic here :-)
[08:53] <syn-ack> jdub: :p
[08:54] <MatthewJohn> hrmm anyone here use gst-ffmpeg and has problems with videos being choppy? and is totem-xine better?
[08:54] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah gentoo just isnt easy enough and it take forever to get a system running
[08:54] <jdub> Liberal_Tugboat: elsewhere please
[08:54] <syn-ack> Liberal_Tugboat: what are your system specs?
[08:55] <Liberal_Tugboat> plus it doesnt have a release cycle, its kind of like running debian unstable... things break sometimes
[08:55] <Liberal_Tugboat> right now I am on my laptop (1.4 p4m 512 ram 40 gig hd Radeon 7000)
[08:55] <caffinated> Liberal_Tugboat: it's not so bad if you have a few linux running machines, and distcc ;)
[08:56] <Liberal_Tugboat> my desktop is a sempron 2400+ (overclocked to 2.1 ghz) 1 gig ram 120 gig HD and fx 5600
[08:56] <MatthewJohn> how can i check to see if nvidia drivers are being used? or if its using nv?
[08:56] <caffinated> MatthewJohn: look in your X configuration files
[08:56] <Liberal_Tugboat> caffinated, yeah that wouldnt be that bad
[08:57] <samatman> ugh...i'm back at it
[08:57] <Liberal_Tugboat> but that is still cpu cycles I could be playing games on
[08:57] <joshua__> I wish I could afford a bunch of computer to put on my network and experiment with.  Unfortunately old machines are hard to find.
[08:57] <MatthewJohn> caffinated: i changed it from nv to nvidia, any way to see if its really using it though?
[08:57] <caffinated> MatthewJohn: install an opengl game and see if it runs like crap ;)
[08:57] <MatthewJohn> im having problems with videos being choppy, trying to figure out what the problem is
[08:57] <KOXAKI> I want to ask does the live cd of ubuntu Linux support a ssh service?
[08:57] <samatman> should be a surplus store somewhere near you
[08:57] <caffinated> MatthewJohn: i recommend gltron - it's a cute waste of time
[08:57] <Liberal_Tugboat> MatthewJohn, when you restart X the nvidia logo will display ifit is workign
[08:57] <jdub> MatthewJohn: what's the output of "glxinfo | grep vendor" ?
[08:58] <jdub> KOXAKI: it does if you install openssh-server
[08:58] <Liberal_Tugboat> KOXAKI, yes
[08:58] <KOXAKI> jdub: how ti install the openssh-server?
[08:58] <jdub> KOXAKI: use synaptic or apt-get, exactly as you would on a normal machine
[08:59] <MatthewJohn> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org server glx vendor string: SGI
[08:59] <samatman> ok...anyone here messed with the rt2500 drivers from source code?
[08:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> MatthewJohn, it didnt work
[08:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> you are still using the mesa driver
[08:59] <joshua__> If the kernal handles hardware, then why does x need to know what video card you have?
[08:59] <KOXAKI> jdub: i didn't understand you
[08:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> joshua__, because it offloads rendering to it
[09:00] <samatman> joshua__, http://www.surplusgeeks.com/customer/home.php  they have pentium 2's
[09:00] <jdub> joshua__: the kernel doesn't handle every aspect of the hardware
[09:00] <MatthewJohn> i think i forgot to add glx to the config
[09:00] <jdub> KOXAKI: just use the normal package management tools
[09:00] <joshua__> liberal_Tugboat samatman jdub:  Thankya's. :)  Samatam  Double thanks for the link. :-D
[09:00] <Liberal_Tugboat> no prob
[09:00] <KOXAKI> jdub: are they on the Live cd?
[09:01] <jdub> KOXAKI: yes
[09:01] <Liberal_Tugboat> i try to fumble my way through helping
[09:01] <Liberal_Tugboat> :)
[09:01] <Liberal_Tugboat> its my pathetic way of giving back to the community
[09:01] <KOXAKI> jdub: by default, is the openssh-server activated, or i must to activate it
[09:01] <KOXAKI> ?
[09:02] <jdub> KOXAKI: you have to install it
[09:02] <KOXAKI> jdub: from where?
[09:02] <jdub> KOXAKI: by using the included package management tools
[09:02] <jdub> go into synaptic, search for it, install it
[09:02] <jdub> or use apt-get
[09:03] <MatthewJohn> KOXAKI: from the menu applications>system tools>add/remove programs
[09:03] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: got it working now.
[09:03] <KOXAKI> and?
[09:03] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, nice
[09:04] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: I got the backup from /var/backups/xfree86
[09:04] <samatman> no one with experience compiling the rt2500 wirless drivers?
[09:04] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm, thats good to know
[09:04] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: the first one that was there when the system installed.
[09:04] <Liberal_Tugboat> I will have to remember that
[09:04] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: nvidia install makes that backup actually.
[09:04] <Liberal_Tugboat> oh ok
[09:05] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: anyway, diff shows that there were diffs in vertical and horizantal syncs.
[09:05] <Liberal_Tugboat> what video card are you using?
[09:05] <MatthewJohn> hrmm would the nvidia module not being loaded make watch videos choppy with ffmpeg?
[09:05] <samatman> hello again seveas
[09:05] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah that will limit the rez you can use
[09:06] <Seveas> hi
[09:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> MatthewJohn, no not really
[09:06] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: why, i don't know. it is a laptop, so when something other than it can handle gets sent, it shows stuff in default 640x480. so it was  _trying to do 1280x800 resolution but the sync was different. which update modified it, i don't know.
[09:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> what player are you using?
[09:06] <MatthewJohn> Liberal_Tugboat: do you use totem? and ffmpeg?
[09:06] <joshua__> How would you go about keeping a package you got from universal up to date?
[09:06] <MatthewJohn> totem with gstreamer and the ffmpeg plugin
[09:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> I use totem-xine
[09:06] <MatthewJohn> hrmm im about to switch
[09:06] <samatman> seveas, still want me to post the error from my compile?
[09:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> with the w32codecs
[09:07] <MatthewJohn> i wanted to use gstreamer though
[09:07] <Seveas> joshua__, you mean from universe?
[09:07] <Liberal_Tugboat> gsteamer sucks
[09:07] <Liberal_Tugboat> for video anyways
[09:07] <Seveas> samatman, ok
[09:07] <Liberal_Tugboat> ask anyone
[09:07] <joshua__> Seveas: Yup.
[09:07] <samatman> pastebin.com right?
[09:07] <Seveas> yes samatman ;)
[09:07] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: it is nvidia fx5200
[09:07] <samatman> ok, i'll have to move it over on thumbdrive, one min
[09:07] <Liberal_Tugboat> oh ok
[09:07] <Seveas> joshua__, they are also kept up to date via synaptic or apt-get just like all other packages
[09:08] <Mestapheles> as anyone gotten "libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[09:08] <Mestapheles> No such file or directory ... failed to open/read teh DVD ... DVDAettDVDRoot: Root not set"?
[09:08] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: i can't find w32codecs package. is it not in warty or something?
[09:08] <joshua__> O, okay.  That works. :)  I'm considering using xpde.  A bit of familiarity is nice.  Tho I use the command line more then anything.  Using it for irssi right now. :)
[09:08] <jdub> MatthewJohn: gstreamer rocks. however, there are some architectural issues with the current stable series that make it less than stellar for video playback. there's some really interesting work being done for the next release that ought to fix it.
[09:08] <Liberal_Tugboat> Mestapheles, you need libdvdcss2
[09:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, it is not in ubuntu
[09:09] <zzyber> what is the difference between universe and multiverse?
[09:09] <Mestapheles> thnks, will  try
[09:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> you have to use the marrilatt repo for it
[09:09] <jdub> zzyber: universe is free software, multiverse is generally not
[09:09] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: ok. i got in on my gentoo, wanted it for my ubuntu as well.
[09:09] <zzyber> jdub, okey, thx
[09:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> if you check the ubuntuforums you can find the marrillatt repo
[09:09] <Seveas> claint, use marillat repos
[09:10] <Seveas> Mestapheles, try sudo ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/hdc
[09:10] <Seveas> ehm
[09:10] <Mestapheles> Liberal_Tugboat: says that I already have  libdvdcss2 and it is up to date
[09:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> but ONLY get libdvdcss and w32codecs from marillat that uncheck it
[09:10] <Seveas> Mestapheles, try sudo ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd
[09:10] <Mestapheles> will try
[09:10] <MatthewJohn> Jdub: ya gstreamer looks like it will be the best in the long run, i guess ill use totem-xine for now or mplayer
[09:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm
[09:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> Mestapheles, what player?
[09:11] <Mestapheles> olge
[09:11] <Mestapheles> ogle
[09:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm, i have never used ogle
[09:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> so not much I can help you with
[09:11] <Liberal_Tugboat> sorry
[09:12] <zzyber> jdub, can you also explain what a backport is? im thinking of warty-backport repos.
[09:12] <claint> looks like marillat is a hoary repository. hope it won't break things.
[09:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> claint, marillat is a NON ubuntu repo
[09:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> no affiliation at all
[09:12] <claint> oh ok, sorry i misread
[09:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> its the debian illegal reop
[09:13] <claint> gotcha
[09:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> not affiliated with debian either
[09:13] <claint> as always
[09:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> it doesnt exist ;)
[09:13] <claint> what repository?
[09:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> marillat
[09:13] <claint> haven't heard of it.
[09:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah me nither
[09:14] <Mestapheles> Seveas: dmesg | grep DVD gives hdb so it should be ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/dvd
[09:14] <Mestapheles> I believe
[09:15] <Liberal_Tugboat> Mestapheles, it should be /media/dvd
[09:15] <Liberal_Tugboat> I think that is the new standard
[09:16] <zzyber> is marillat repository dangerous? Will it risk my installation or is it "safe" to use on ubuntu?
[09:16] <JDahl> zzyber, if you just want mplayer, then it's easy to compile from source
[09:16] <Liberal_Tugboat> zzyber, just use it for libdvdcss2 and w32codecs then uncheck it
[09:16] <kain> anyone knows is it's possibile to add realvideo codecs to totem without installing realplayer? I've already totem+w32codecs working without problems (also in firefox)
[09:16] <Liberal_Tugboat> dont do a dist-upgrade while it is enabled
[09:17] <Liberal_Tugboat> JDahl, mplayer is in multiverse
[09:17] <zzyber> Liberal_Tugboat, okey
[09:17] <zzyber> can someone explain what a backport is?
[09:17] <Liberal_Tugboat> actually I think it is in universe in hoary
[09:18] <JDahl> Liberal_Tugboat, yeah? I didnt even know that... but then none of my machines have sound
[09:18] <Liberal_Tugboat> zzyber, a backport is when they compile new software for old OS versions
[09:18] <jdub> zzyber: backports are evil things that break your upgrade path
[09:18] <woodwizzle> Is the final version of hoary gonna be inotify enabled? or is it still going to be something we have to turn on?
[09:18] <jdub> zzyber: they're completely unsupported new versions of packages with no guarantee of either working or letting you upgrade
[09:18] <zzyber> okey.........now i understand, away with backports.........UGLY
[09:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> woodwizzle, all you will have to do is apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:19] <jdub> zzyber: you are better off using all warty or all hoary
[09:19] <samatman> seveas :  http://pastebin.com/262467
[09:19] <jdub> woodwizzle: you'll have to turn it on (kernel parameter 'inotify')
[09:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> oh ok, never mind me
[09:19] <woodwizzle> jdub, thats what I thought ;(. Hope it makes it in by bendy
[09:19] <jdub> woodwizzle: it's in, you just have to turn it on
[09:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> not bendy... Breezy
[09:20] <samatman> this is a windows machinei 'm on now, so the format got kinda mangled moving it over, i tried to arrange it as close to waht it was in the ocnsole
[09:20] <Liberal_Tugboat> unless they changed it since the anouncement on the forums and no one told me
[09:21] <Liberal_Tugboat> then I would just be a moron
[09:21] <ironwolf> anyone using linux with video know a good GOP fixer/PTS fixer?  Preferably in the archive somewhere.
[09:22] <Liberal_Tugboat> Grand Ol Party Fixer? I dont think any program could fix the republicans...
[09:23] <Liberal_Tugboat> (bad joke) odd silence
[09:23] <claint> Liberal_Tugboat: perhaps a mental diet program...
[09:23] <samatman> i knew it was silent, but i wasn't sure of the parity
[09:23] <Liberal_Tugboat> lol
[09:24] <Mestapheles> Liberla_Tugboat: ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/dvd works, although choppy and the dvd sounds as if its going ot be spit out
[09:24] <ironwolf> Ok, to clarify, a GOP fixer/PTS fixer for mpeg-2 streams/file8s .
[09:24] <Liberal_Tugboat> Mestapheles, is DMA turned on for the drive?
[09:25] <Liberal_Tugboat> that can cause choppy play back
[09:26] <Liberal_Tugboat> hdparm -d /dev/hdb
[09:26] <Mestapheles> I doubt it, I'm just putting that on.  Someday I'll fgure out how to set it on boot.  Would hte DMA have anything to do with the DVD thrashing?
[09:26] <Liberal_Tugboat> what does that say Mestapheles ?
[09:26] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm, not sure
[09:27] <Mestapheles> DMA is off
[09:27] <Liberal_Tugboat> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb
[09:27] <Liberal_Tugboat> that turns it on
[09:27] <Liberal_Tugboat> try playback with it on
[09:27] <Mestapheles> yeah I just put it on
[09:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> still not playing right?
[09:28] <Mestapheles> ogle seems to freeze, I'm killing it and trying it again
[09:28] <Liberal_Tugboat> is ogle set to use esd?
[09:29] <Liberal_Tugboat> using ALSA instead of ESD in mplayer makes it freeze
[09:30] <Mestapheles> it didn't freeze before though, but I'll check
[09:33] <Mestapheles> I'm getting a non ripped DVD but when term stops (this time it stopped rather than freeze) says "xscreensaver-command not found.
[09:33] <Mestapheles> No accelerated IMDCT transform found"
[09:33] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm
[09:33] <Liberal_Tugboat> well that has me stumped
[09:33] <Liberal_Tugboat> have you tried any other players?
[09:34] <sabmoc> what is considered the best python ide available in apt right now?
[09:34] <discord> hello everybody
[09:34] <sabmoc> or if not the best, a really good one
[09:35] <Mestapheles> not on hoary yet, I just upgraded yesterday, or the night beofre
[09:35] <Liberal_Tugboat> I would try like mplayer or xine
[09:35] <Mestapheles> but xine on warty was not too bad, alsa distorted a bit
[09:35] <Liberal_Tugboat> if they can play it then it is ogle
[09:35] <discord> wondering how i watch divx on this ubuntu thing do i just need codecs?
[09:36] <Liberal_Tugboat> discord, wiki.ubuntulinux.com/restrictedformats
[09:36] <Liberal_Tugboat> or something like that
[09:36] <discord> thanks Liberal_Tugboat
[09:37] <Mestapheles> thnks Liberla-Tugboat  I'll get to it tommorow as it is 1 pm here
[09:39] <crimsun> sono: ping
[09:39] <Liberal_Tugboat> yea its 12:40 here
[09:39] <Liberal_Tugboat> am
[09:39] <Liberal_Tugboat> time for bed soon
[09:39] <sono> hi crimsun!
[09:39] <Mestapheles> meant it is 1:39 am
[09:39] <Mestapheles> must be getting sleepy
[09:39] <crimsun> sono: hi
[09:40] <sono> thx for showing up! I found an interesting issue crimsun...
[09:40] <crimsun> sono: ok, what's up?
[09:40] <discord> did someone erase this page
[09:40] <discord> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=restricted%20formats
[09:40] <discord> from the wiki?
[09:40] <discord> nevermind
[09:40] <sono> crimsun: if I stop esd, restart manually and operate apps normally, everything works perfectly
[09:41] <crimsun> sono: right.
[09:41] <sabmoc> crimsun, do you use python?
[09:41] <crimsun> sabmoc: a bit, not extensively, and it's not my primary development language.
[09:41] <sono> crimsun: but, when I open the gnome volume control (non sense I know)... BLAM! The sound stream get's corrupted with this 2-bits like distortion
[09:41] <tomcat> Hey all, I've got a general question here. Linux newbie... I've got ubuntu up and running and I'm pretty happy... but here's what I'd like to do... be able to just throw an old (fat32 or ntfs) drive in and be able to access it. Is this possible without a terrible amount of hassle?
[09:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> that is the right wiki page
[09:42] <crimsun> sono: aha!  I experience that issue as well.  I will have to test that in the morning.
[09:42] <sabmoc> crimsun, whats your development environment?
[09:42] <sono> obviously, the alsa mixer shows no mixer elements... something which makes sense crimsun
[09:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> tomcat, ya, just use the CLI to mount it
[09:42] <crimsun> sabmoc: generally C or C++
[09:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> NTFS writing is not supported thought
[09:42] <Liberal_Tugboat> read is ok
[09:42] <sabmoc> crimsun, what sort of apps do you use when your working?
[09:43] <crimsun> sabmoc: gdb, vi, and mozilla-firefox
[09:43] <tomcat> Lib_tug: then I could put it in and when linux boots up I can use 'mount'?
[09:43] <sono> I was skimming through the alsa-base script.... r u the author crimsun?
[09:43] <crimsun> sono: no
[09:43] <Liberal_Tugboat> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdwhateve /media/ntfs
[09:43] <sabmoc> crimsun, maybe I should learn vi one of these days, trouble is that I started with emacs
[09:44] <crimsun> sabmoc: *emacs are fine tools
[09:44] <Liberal_Tugboat> you can use the fstab file to auto mount the drive
[09:44] <crimsun> (old habits die hard)
[09:44] <tomcat> Lib_tug: is there any command to tell what format it's in?
[09:44] <sabmoc> crimsun, yes indeed, but its not for everything
[09:44] <crimsun> sono: what are the contents of /proc/asound/modules ?
[09:44] <sabmoc> even though it does *everything* ;)
[09:44] <crimsun> sabmoc: on the contrary, I think emacs _just_ about does everything ;)
[09:44] <Liberal_Tugboat> umm yeah... but I am not sure off the top of my head
[09:44] <sabmoc> haha
[09:45] <Liberal_Tugboat> crimsun, nano rulez over emacs any day ;)
[09:45] <sabmoc> Liberal_Tugboat, funny thing is, i prefer emacs or nano
[09:45] <sono> crimsun: 0 snd_usb_audio    1 snd_via82xx
[09:45] <tomcat> Lib_tug, thx that gets me in the right direction.
[09:45] <crimsun> sono: ok.
[09:45] <samatman> poot
[09:46] <sabmoc> samatman, indeed
[09:46] <sono> crimsun: which makes sense after the options snd-via82xx index=-2
[09:47] <sabmoc> man, i've got hickups something fierce
[09:47] <crimsun> sono: right.
[09:47] <sabmoc> im going to rupture something important
[09:47] <crimsun> sono: ls /tmp|egrep 'esd|polyp'
[09:47] <Liberal_Tugboat> I just love the simplicity of nano (or Pico)
[09:48] <samatman> nano?
[09:48] <sono> er... well nothing there crimsun
[09:48] <crimsun> sono: and esd is running?
[09:48] <sono> yep
[09:48] <crimsun> sono: odd!
[09:48] <sono> hmmm... hold
[09:48] <sono> hold
[09:49] <sono> crimsun: yep, esd running
[09:49] <crimsun> right, probably due to not parsing the default conffile
[09:49] <sono> crimsun: the default conffile?
[09:50] <Kazuhiro> hi people
[09:50] <crimsun> sono: ok, one final check.  In Preferences>Sound, deselect the "Enable sound server startup" box.
[09:50] <wezzer> konnichiwa
[09:50] <Liberal_Tugboat> samatman, type nano into a CLI
[09:50] <crimsun> sono: Then log out and save the session.
[09:50] <Kazuhiro> moshi moshi :)
[09:50] <sono> ok
[09:50] <sono> crimsun: here we go
[09:50] <Liberal_Tugboat> it is a SUPER basic text editor
[09:50] <zzyber> jdub, hmm still woundering about universe and multivers. When i now check i see that i for example have category Graphics alone, as universe and as multiverse. Multiverse in non-free but whats the diffrence between Graphics alone and universe?
[09:51] <Liberal_Tugboat> easier to use then emacs and vim though
[09:51] <bob2> zzyber: graphics by itself is in main
[09:51] <Liberal_Tugboat> and EVERY nix in the world has nano or pico
[09:51] <bob2> Liberal_Tugboat: no
[09:51] <bob2> vi is far more likely to be there
[09:51] <Kazuhiro> If some one could point me in the right direction to getting a SB Audigy2 value card working in hoary that would be great, having no end of trouble here
[09:51] <Liberal_Tugboat> pico has been around since unix first started
[09:51] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: you will need to enable the universe repo first
[09:51] <bob2> er
[09:51] <bob2> no it hasn't
[09:52] <Liberal_Tugboat> I havent seen one with out it
[09:52] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, done that
[09:52] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, now, sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[09:52] <zzyber> bob2, okey now its clear
[09:52] <Mestapheles> actually while I'm still on, I've got mail here saying, "mandb: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct"
[09:53] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok done
[09:53] <Mestapheles> My packages complain also about a local as they install bu they install fine
[09:53] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:53] <samatman> seveas?  any advice?
[09:53] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: say "no" to PnP, "yes" to debug, and choose the "emu10k1" driver (that is, deselect everything except for that)
[09:54] <discord> when i try to download mplayer i get about 5 lines like this from synaptic
[09:54] <discord>  Depends: libartsc0 but it is not going to be installed
[09:54] <discord> do i have to install those things ?
[09:54] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: just to double-check - this is the audigy2 value, _not_ the audigy2 zs or anything, correct?
[09:54] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok selected the card I want, and thats it?
[09:55] <Kazuhiro> value
[09:55] <Kazuhiro> audigy2 value
[09:55] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, now after that's completed, cd /usr/src
[09:55] <Kazuhiro> yup
[09:55] <crimsun> sono: ok, now reenable the sound server startup option in Preferences>Sound
[09:55] <sono> crimsun: hi again crim.  OK, back again here with no sound since the esd server wasn't started.
[09:56] <sono> ok
[09:56] <sono> crimson: there it is
[09:56] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok in /usr/src
[09:56] <crimsun> sono: sound works now, correct?
[09:56] <sono> crimson: ubuntu drums everywhere...
[09:56] <crimsun> sono: as in repeating, or...?
[09:57] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: sudo adduser $USER src
[09:57] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok :)
[09:57] <sono> crimson: sorry? as in repeating? I mean... everything sounding pretty fine.  GNOME system sounds I mean.  apps as well (muine)
[09:57] <sono> gstreamer ones...
[09:58] <crimsun> sono: oh ok.
[09:58] <crimsun> sono: good.
[09:58] <sono> crimsun: heh sorry for not being clear in my answers.
[09:58] <crimsun> sono: and others (like xmms) that can be configured to use esound output work, too, correct?
[09:58] <kkathman> could I trouble someone to please tell me what parameters I need to extract a .tar.gz file?
[09:58] <crimsun> kkathman: tar xzf foo.tar.gz
[09:58] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok what to do now?
[09:59] <kkathman> its -xzf right?
[09:59] <sono> crimsun; yes, Beep media player configured for ESD and working simult. with muine
[09:59] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: log in on another console (or log in and log out)
[09:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> yeah your right pico has only been around since the 80's
[09:59] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: (err, that should have been "log out and back in")
[09:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> but it made in my home state to there
[09:59] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, im in x now so ctrl-alt-bkspace ?
[09:59] <kkathman> hmmm I wonder why its not extracting...just sits and never comes back :(
[09:59] <Liberal_Tugboat> part of the pine mail reader
[10:00] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: probably better to choose System>Log out
[10:00] <Kazuhiro> ok brb
[10:00] <_d4vid> hi all
[10:00] <crimsun> hi
[10:00] <ove> hi
[10:00] <sono> crimsun: as longer as I leave the gnome mixer alone hehe
[10:01] <discord> anyone have any advice on why im having trouble getting mplayer with the package manager?
[10:01] <Liberal_Tugboat> discord, did you enable the universe repos?
[10:01] <discord> not sure
[10:02] <Liberal_Tugboat> got to do that first
[10:02] <crimsun> hi ove!
[10:02] <ove> hi crimson
[10:02] <discord> no i guess i added
[10:02] <discord> crimsun
[10:02] <discord> mallirat
[10:02] <discord> and some other
[10:03] <crimsun> discord: my repo is only necessary if you're running warty
[10:03] <discord> what are those for as aopposed to universe
[10:03] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok back :)
[10:03] <discord> i believe im running warty as i just installed from a cd
[10:03] <kkathman> when I try to install firefox 1.0.2 I get an error that says "Couldn't open xpistub library"  Does this mean I need to do an apt-get?
[10:03] <discord> hoary is the new one right?
[10:04] <discord> can i apt get hoary?
[10:04] <Seveas> kkathman, firefox 1.0.2 is in hoary too
[10:04] <Seveas> you don't have to install it manually
[10:04] <kkathman> Im on warty right now tho
[10:04] <Seveas> ah ok
[10:04] <sabmoc> anyone know if the python extension for eclipse works?
[10:04] <Seveas> kkathman, it is not a bad thing to upgrade to hoary
[10:04] <kkathman> Im waiting until 4/4 to go to hoary I think
[10:04] <Seveas> ok
[10:04] <kkathman> oh I will
[10:04] <Liberal_Tugboat> 4/6 is the release day
[10:04] <crimsun> kkathman: ok, ls -l /usr|grep src
[10:05] <Seveas> hoary is very stable already :)
[10:05] <Liberal_Tugboat> Ive been running preview of hoary (bot ubuntu and kubuntu) both are stable
[10:05] <Liberal_Tugboat> kubuntu need more work though
[10:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> but kde 3.4 is freakin nice
[10:06] <ove> kubuntu?
[10:06] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, what do i do now?
[10:06] <kkathman> crimsun:  root   src
[10:06] <crimsun> sono: I don't know offhand what's causing that issue, but it's known for the esd->polypaudio transition (which has been backed out for Hoary).  Not sure why it's still occuring for you, though.
[10:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> Kubuntu is the KDE ubuntu team
[10:06] <discord> can i apt get hoary?
[10:06] <discord> and choose it from a grub menu
[10:06] <Liberal_Tugboat> no
[10:07] <crimsun> discord: you would change your /etc/apt/sources.list, then update and dist-upgrade.  Please search the wiki for instructions.  :)
[10:07] <padraig_> miscellaneous good morning
[10:07] <Liberal_Tugboat> discord, hoary is the next development stage of ubuntu
[10:07] <samatman> hoary is pretty cool, i even like the menu layout better
[10:07] <sono> really? I see! So crimsun, i Hoary no longer using ESD as the sound manager for GNOME?
[10:07] <Liberal_Tugboat> when you apt-get hoary you upgrade to it
[10:07] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: actually I'm interested in the directory's permissions and ownership
[10:08] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, so /usr/src permissions?
[10:08] <crimsun> sono: it is (again).
[10:08] <kkathman> I thought you changed your sources list to hoary, did an apt-get update then an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:08] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: yes.
[10:08] <crimsun> kkathman: yes.
[10:08] <Liberal_Tugboat> The only thing I with they had in hoary was gnomebaker
[10:08] <Kazuhiro>  4 drwxrwsr-x    7 root src    4096 2005-03-25 19:44 src
[10:08] <Liberal_Tugboat> gnomebaker is NICE!!
[10:08] <Liberal_Tugboat> almost up there with k3b
[10:08] <kkathman> anyway... crimsun to fix my error do you think I need to do an apt-get xpistab ?
[10:08] <discord> hmm
[10:09] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver
[10:09] <discord> am i setup for hoary is that why i cannot get mplayer
[10:09] <discord> it says under latest version
[10:09] <crimsun> discord: do you see hoary or warty entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:09] <discord> 1:1.0-pre6-sarge
[10:09] <kkathman> sorry I meant xpistub
[10:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> discord, sounds like you are running hoary
[10:09] <crimsun> kkathman: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with your situation.
[10:09] <discord> warty and testing
[10:09] <Liberal_Tugboat> do you have a places menu?
[10:09] <kkathman> ahh ok
[10:10] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, I got alot of Cannot utime: Operation not permitted & Cannot change mode to rwxr-sr-x: Operation not permitted
[10:10] <discord> let me get outta synaptic
[10:10] <sono> crimsun: hehe ok... so ESD is back on the road again.  I'll try to skim trhough the esd's configure scripts at the packages... maybe at the gnome mixer as well... even reconfiguring them... could be a dist-upgrade from warty problem as you said...
[10:10] <kkathman> I tried this once before and had this same problem
[10:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> do you have application place system at the top
[10:10] <Liberal_Tugboat> or just applications system
[10:10] <delltony> is there a shell command to type to see if your running warty or hoary? i mean i know which one i'm running just curious about the command
[10:10] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: groups|grep esd
[10:11] <crimsun> delltony: cat /etc/issue
[10:11] <delltony> thankyou
[10:11] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, no output for that command
[10:11] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: err, I'm sorry.  groups|grep src
[10:11] <discord> it looks like every repository is for warty for me
[10:11] <Kazuhiro> paul adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip src video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[10:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> ok discord you are running warty then
[10:12] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok.
[10:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> if you go to the ubuntuforums.org
[10:12] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ,,pwd'', please
[10:12] <Liberal_Tugboat> and look in the warty how tos you will find out how to get mplayer
[10:12] <samatman> brb
[10:12] <sono> one last question crimsun: so, did you experience that gnome mixer problem as well... before?
[10:13] <bob2> discord: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:13] <crimsun> sono: only in the past two weeks
[10:13] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, commmand not found, im in /
[10:13] <discord> Liberal_Tugboat, thats what ive done
[10:13] <discord> i added those to the sources list
[10:13] <Liberal_Tugboat> ok I think I need to hit the hay, go snuggle up next to my nice warm nekid fiance and get some sleep
[10:14] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: (hmm, just 'pwd' without the quotes)
[10:14] <discord> more than i ned
[10:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm
[10:14] <discord> anyone else
[10:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> and it wont install
[10:14] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[10:14] <discord> i added
[10:14] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, /
[10:14] <discord> univers
[10:14] <discord> e
[10:14] <discord> multivers
[10:14] <discord> e
[10:14] <discord> and the three others
[10:14] <sono> crimsun: ok...
[10:14] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok that did something, but no output
[10:14] <Liberal_Tugboat> and it wont DL
[10:14] <discord> the universe ones were already there
[10:15] <discord> all i had to do
[10:15] <discord> no
[10:15] <discord> i get the msg
[10:15] <bob2> crimsun: hoary's kernel doesn't support audigy?
[10:15] <crimsun> bob2: 1.0.6's emu10k1 driver for it is suboptimal according to the author
[10:15] <discord> mplayer-k6:
[10:15] <discord>  Depends: libartsc0 but it is not going to be installed
[10:15] <discord>   Depends: libfribidi0 but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[10:15] <discord>  Depends: libggi2 but it is not going to be installed
[10:15] <discord>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:15] <discord>   Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[10:16] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, now cd modules/alsa-driver
[10:16] <Liberal_Tugboat> hmm
[10:16] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, yup
[10:16] <Seveas> discord, you need mplayer-custom
[10:16] <bob2> crimsun: has someone filed that as a bug?
[10:16] <discord> i can put my sources list on pastebi if you think thats it
[10:16] <Seveas> mplayer-k6 won't work afaik
[10:16] <crimsun> bob2: not that I'm aware, but it's too late to attempt backporting it (the changes necessary are rather intrusive)
[10:17] <discord> http://pastebin.com/262481
[10:17] <discord> there is my sources list
[10:17] <discord> neither will mplayer non k6
[10:17] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok in modules/alsa-driver
[10:18] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[10:18] <discord> mplayer 386 586 k6 whatever dont work
[10:18] <kkathman> ahh thank goodness for the ubuntu forums :)
[10:18] <discord> sorry if im bothersome over here i dont see that im doing something wrong in my sources.lst
[10:19] <kkathman> firefox 1.0.2 is up and running great in warty
[10:19] <Seveas> discord, have you tried mplayer-custom ??
[10:19] <discord> you mean installing it from source?
[10:19] <crimsun> don't use mplayer-custom unless you have a Pentium 4
[10:19] <samatman_> ok...i got a 'stable' version of the rt2500 driver source, and this one actualy *does* stuff when i type make...but it ends up in error
[10:19] <kkathman> night ladies and gents :)
[10:19] <samatman_> for whoever is interested
[10:19] <Liberal_Tugboat> well night all!
[10:19] <crimsun> otherwise you'll receive an illegal instruction error
[10:20] <discord> mplayer custom is not in my list
[10:20] <samatman_> night
[10:20] <Seveas> discord, no
[10:20] <Seveas> from the repository!
[10:20] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok done
[10:20] <Seveas> try the marrilat repositories, it's there
[10:20] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ls ../*.deb
[10:20] <Kazuhiro> ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-amd64-generic_1.0.8-4ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[10:21] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[10:21] <samatman_> how can you use apt-get to update to hoary?
[10:21] <samatman_> dreadlocked rasta...
[10:21] <topyli> yes
[10:21] <Kazuhiro> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).
[10:21] <Kazuhiro> Reloading sound driver modules: (none to reload).
[10:22] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, now: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[10:22] <topyli> samatman_: upgrade works just like in debian
[10:22] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, nothing :(
[10:22] <samatman_> never used debian
[10:22] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: that's a good thing.
[10:22] <Kazuhiro> ok :)
[10:22] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: now, sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[10:22] <discord> hmm Ubuntu dont seem that user friendly
[10:22] <samatman_> apt-get upgrade hoary?
[10:22] <topyli> samatman_: well, try the ubuntu upgrade and you'll know how debian works :)
[10:23] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, no output
[10:23] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: excellent
[10:23] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, so the module is loaded now?
[10:23] <discord> if its so difficult to get some divx to play
[10:23] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: please use the Volume Control to unmute and to adjust the volume
[10:23] <topyli> samatman_: change sources.list, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade. then pray
[10:24] <MatthewJohn> is there support for unraring files or do i have to install some package?
[10:24] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, they dont seem to be muted now
[10:24] <topyli> discord: just install the codecs. ubuntu cannot do that for you
[10:24] <Kazuhiro> or muted to begin with
[10:24] <Seveas> MatthewJohn, apy-get install unrar
[10:25] <discord> yeah hmm i guess mplayer have broken dependices
[10:25] <MatthewJohn> Seveas: will file roller work with rar files after that?
[10:25] <Seveas> nope
[10:25] <Seveas> you will have thu 'unrar' command available then
[10:25] <topyli> discord: well, use totem-xine then
[10:25] <samatman_> as i recall rar had linux versions on their website
[10:25] <Seveas> there is no way for file roller to understand rar due to legal issues
[10:25] <MatthewJohn> oh ok
[10:26] <sono> crimsun: hmm... should we place this as a bug report? we can recreate it...
[10:26] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, ok nothing muted, all sound turned up
[10:26] <topyli> zs s<
[10:26] <crimsun> sono: please search bugzilla.ubuntu.com; I believe it has been reported already
[10:26] <topyli> KK
[10:26] <topyli> uhh...
[10:27] <Seveas> sono, if it is already reported, add your experiences as a comment
[10:27] <topyli> Seveas: you sure file-roller won't see unrar?
[10:27] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: ok, please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.ca
[10:27] <sono> Ok crimsun...I will for sure.  Thank you very very much for your time.
[10:27] <discord> can we find out what they compiled into the ubuntu kernels?
[10:27] <crimsun> sono: np, thank you.
[10:27] <Seveas> topyli, i'm not 100% sure, but last time i tried (a long time ago) it didnt
[10:28] <sono> crimsun: good nite... and bye everyone!
[10:28] <topyli> Seveas: hmm. i don't have any rar files so i can't test
[10:28] <weebl> bb
[10:28] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8217
[10:28] <topyli> discord: look at the config files in /boot
[10:28] <crimsun> sono: see ya
[10:29] <discord> topyli, thanks
[10:29] <samatman_> should the mount command create the directory you want a drive mounted on?
[10:29] <topyli> no
[10:30] <samatman_> ok
[10:31] <samatman_> i created a directory and mounted a drive there using sudo, how do i get permission for my regular user to view the damn thing
[10:31] <samatman_> ?
[10:32] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: are you using the analog line-out?
[10:32] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, selecting audigy analog / digial output jack crashed the volume control in gnome, I think I read about this some where
[10:32] <Kazuhiro> crimsun yes I am
[10:32] <samatman_> so sudo will make root the owner of the dir/
[10:32] <samatman_> ?
[10:33] <topyli> samatman_: add "-o user" to the mount command, perhaps an umask too. also, the mount directory should be readable to mortals
[10:33] <csj> hello, I DL a pdf file on my Desktop, how to let it appear immediately? famd?
[10:34] <Kazuhiro> I have sound!
[10:34] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, I used alsamixer on the console to unmute the analog /digital output
[10:34] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: right :)
[10:34] <samatman_> wha'ts umask?
[10:34] <Kazuhiro> the gnome one crashed
[10:34] <jsgotangco> hello
[10:34] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, can I send you a pm?
[10:35] <erupt> i have just installed wine now how do i get it to run mirc? do i put the .exe in my home dir or?
[10:35] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: sure.
[10:35] <samatman_> i can't unmount it now because the device is busy
[10:36] <topyli> samatman_: something is using it. it's the current working dir of a shell or a program
[10:36] <garrut> erupt: are you serious?
[10:37] <samatman_> i have nothing on taht drive, and i have no windows or terminals pointed to that directory
[10:37] <erupt> garrut: yeh xchat and being an oper piss me off with server notices
[10:37] <dwa_> erupt : that's sick :)
[10:37] <discord> anyone use mythtv with ubuntu?
[10:37] <samatman_> use xchat
[10:37] <topyli> samatman_: hrm. are you using sudo for the umount command?
[10:37] <samatman_> yes
[10:38] <dwa_> erupt : but you can just download it and type : wine blabla.exe
[10:38] <samatman_> i had the same problem last night running a root console
[10:38] <topyli> weird
[10:38] <erupt> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[10:38] <erupt> oops
[10:38] <erupt> cannot find 'mirc.exe'
[10:38] <garrut> erupt: if you don't like xchat there are only a billion other linux clients...
[10:38] <erupt> like what garrut
[10:38] <dwa_> true
[10:38] <erupt> bitchx irssi?
[10:38] <dwa_> irssi
[10:38] <topyli> samatman_: some lsof magic would reveal what's using it but that's a bit beyond me :)
[10:39] <erupt> that arnt practicul for oper use.
[10:39] <samatman_> lsof?
[10:39] <topyli> samatman_: a command to list open files
[10:39] <dwa_> erupt : wine ./mirc.exe
[10:39] <dwa_> in the mirc dir
[10:39] <samatman_> ok, i got like 14 pages of text scrolling by real fast
[10:40] <topyli> samatman_: gives enormous outputs, with skillful grepping it gives you the info you need
[10:40] <samatman_> everything i do i run into crap like this
[10:40] <samatman_> grep?
[10:40] <topyli> samatman_: like lsof | grep /mount/point perhaps
[10:41] <bob2> you're hitting obscure bugs
[10:41] <TexJoachim> has it even happened to you that your self-made starters in the gnome menu disappeared?
[10:41] <Kazuhiro> any one know how to get divx / xvid working in hoary? is it on the forums?
[10:41] <TexJoachim> mine did today
[10:41] <bob2> which I hope someone is reporting
[10:41] <bob2> Kazuhiro: ignore the forums
[10:41] <samatman_> retuns nothing
[10:41] <bob2> Kazuhiro: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:41] <Seveas> Kazuhiro, apt-get install w32codesc from marillat will help
[10:41] <TexJoachim> they are still visible in "nautilus applications:///", but don't show up in the menu anymore
[10:42] <Seveas> TexJoachim, have you by any chance upgraded to hoary today?
[10:42] <TexJoachim> no
[10:42] <TexJoachim> still running warty
[10:42] <Seveas> ok, than i'll shut up again :)
[10:42] <Kazuhiro> ok thanks loading pages up now, my net capped so its very slow
[10:42] <TexJoachim> shame, I hoped to find some help here :-)
[10:43] <samatman_> i did the grep with the mount point and it returned nothing
[10:43] <MatthewJohn> how do you use unrar, to unrar a series of rar files? (file.rar file.r01 .r02 .r03)
[10:43] <topyli> samatman_: yeah, it's probably wrong. i never could use lsof properly :(
[10:43] <Seveas> unrar filename.r*
[10:43] <Seveas> (replace filename with the actual name of course)
[10:43] <TexJoachim> MatthewJohn: unrar x [first part] 
[10:44] <Agrajag> the first part is the one with a .rar extension
[10:44] <Seveas> hmm, yeah, only the .rar should work too
[10:44] <Seveas> unrar should figure the rest out himself
[10:44] <samatman_> ok, screw my ntfs drive
[10:44] <samatman_> back to my wireless card
[10:44] <samatman_> unless ya'll are tired of this
[10:44] <samatman_> coz i am
[10:44] <topyli> samatman_: it's ntfs? may require extra voodoo
[10:45] <kain> take a look at captive ntfs
[10:45] <Seveas> samatman_, are you trying to mount ntfs?
[10:45] <crimsun> samatman_: what mountpoint are you trying to unmount?
[10:45] <samatman_> can i format it as fat wihtout unmounting?
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, are you watching this channel?
[10:45] <samatman_> yes, it's mount
[10:45] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: yes.
[10:45] <samatman_> it seemed to work fine
[10:45] <MatthewJohn> hrmm
[10:45] <MatthewJohn> it wont work
[10:45] <topyli> Seveas: he's trying to UNmount
[10:45] <Seveas> hmm
[10:45] <samatman_> and i can cd into it in a root terminal, but can't get into it in nautilus
[10:45] <Seveas> sudo umount /dev/hda..
[10:45] <MatthewJohn> im going to have to boot into windows to unrar my warez :(
[10:46] <crimsun> samatman_: what are you trying to accomplish with respect to that drive?
[10:46] <samatman_> trying to use it as a big storage drive
[10:46] <samatman_> and if i can find a proper app, recover my gigs and gigs of neat crap i lost
[10:46] <Seveas> samatman_, you cannot write to ntfs from linux...
[10:46] <bob2> a) we don't care about your warez, b) unrar-nonfree.
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, what argument to I give aplay again for 5.1 channel sound? I have tried --channels but verbose still states 2 and that is all I get
[10:47] <MatthewJohn> bob2: a) i know b) i know c) ill shut up now
[10:47] <Seveas> d) and try installing unrar-nonfree :)
[10:47] <samatman_> ok, screw my drive
[10:47] <samatman_> i have new errors in my wirless driver compile!
[10:47] <samatman_> aren't you excited?
[10:47] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: -Dplug:surround51
[10:47] <Seveas> ghe
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Thanks
[10:48] <bob2> samatman_: why are you compiling a wireless driver?
[10:48] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: np
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> Better write it down
[10:48] <samatman_> so my wireless card will work
[10:48] <bob2> samatman_: and what chipset does it use?
[10:48] <samatman_> it worked last time i had hoary installed...then i tried mandrake 10.1....
[10:48] <samatman_> rt2500
[10:49] <bob2> and that's not supported out of the box?
[10:49] <samatman_> well, i'ts hoary for amd64 if that matters, but it won't recognize my wireless
[10:49] <samatman_> doesn't show up in any ifconfig or iwconfig
[10:50] <MatthewJohn> Seveas: ya the nonfree one worked, good call
[10:50] <samatman_> is there an rt2500 in hoary?
[10:50] <bob2> samatman_: no, I mean, you checked and the driver doesn't come with hoary, right?
[10:50] <samatman_> no idea
[10:50] <samatman_> don't know where to look
[10:50] <bob2> why don't you check then?
[10:50] <topyli> samatman_: still about the ntfs drive. best you add a decent entry for it in /etc/fstab and it will always mount at boot. read-only mind you. (when you re-focus yourself to that)
[10:50] <bob2> seems like that would be a lot simpler than dragging everyone through a "compile random driver" oddysey
[10:51] <samatman_> ok...how do i check?
[10:51] <bob2> look in /lib/modules/
[10:52] <samatman_> the search returned nothing
[10:52] <samatman_> no file containing rt2500 int he name
[10:55] <samatman_> it's amazing how fast you can go nowhere with linux sometimes
[10:55] <bob2> well, it depends on a lot of things
[10:56] <bob2> you haven't pasted the error message from make anywhere, afaics
[10:56] <bob2> which means no one can really help you
[10:56] <samatman_> what gets me is comparatively this worked like a breeze last time
[10:57] <samatman_> even putting hte error into chat is a pain, warty has stopped auto mounting my usb drive
[10:57] <samatman_> and reading stuff off of it has become a major pain
[10:57] <bob2> ok
[10:57] <samatman_> took me 30 minutes last night to get it onto this machine, and then seveas who had offered to look through it on pastebin had left
[10:57] <zyga> hello
[10:58] <zyga> I'm having strange problem in abiword
[10:58] <zyga> some characters appear incorrectly
[10:58] <zyga> I see small circle instead of i18n characters
[10:58] <zyga> language is set correctly and none other apps are broken
[10:58] <bob2> probably missing fonts
[10:59] <zyga> bob2: like missing chars from particular font?
[10:59] <zyga> bob2: I don't see most common latin characters with dots and dashes (polish characters)
[10:59] <zyga> I'm running char map now
[11:00] <zyga> char map shows all those characters correctly
[11:00] <zyga> with the same font selected
[11:00] <bob2> hm, ok
[11:00] <bob2> maybe abiword has been told to use a font tht doesn' include those characters
[11:01] <zyga> I'm using bitstream vera
[11:01] <zyga> just lanuched open office
[11:01] <zyga> characters are missing too
[11:01] <Kazuhiro> Has any one seen a addon to gnome or linux that does the resize all open windows down to show all with out overlapping like apple osx has?
[11:01] <zyga> gedit works okay
[11:03] <zyga> bob2: hmm gedit seems to add glyphs from other fonts to make up the ones missing from current font
[11:03] <bob2> Kazuhiro: yes, expocity
[11:03] <bob2> not in warty
[11:03] <zyga> bob2: is this something specific to ubuntu? fedora had the same font and I'm sure there was no replacing
[11:03] <zyga> bob2: replaced fonts are smaller (curier probaly)
[11:04] <bob2> zyga: I don't know, fonts are one of the many linux things I don't understand very well
[11:04] <bob2> try asking on the user list, I guess
[11:04] <zyga> bob2: or is there some way to add replacing to all apps?
[11:04] <zyga> bob2: okay thanks
[11:05] <samatman_> and now that i put the text file of my error onto my usb disk, put taht into this machine...i don't see the text file
[11:07] <Kazuhiro> bob2, thank you
[11:07] <samatman_> i don't get this
[11:09] <samatman_> no ideas?
[11:11] <dirtymac> ?
[11:11] <kakalto> dirty, dirtymac
[11:11] <kakalto> :P
[11:11] <dirtymac> ;-)
[11:12] <samatman_> i drag the file onto my usbdrive in the gui, it shows up there, i unplug the drive, plug it back in and it's not there
[11:12] <samatman_> wtf?
[11:12] <bob2> unplugging without umounting is a bad idea
[11:12] <bob2> especially if it's a FAT partition
[11:12] <HappyPills> with the nautilus ftp client, how do I change between binary and ascii transfer mode?
[11:12] <darksatanic> It's probably cached.
[11:12] <darksatanic> Not been written to the drive.
[11:13] <ysmar> hello
[11:14] <samatman_> sudo umount /media/usbdisk    machine froze
[11:14] <ysmar> i'm thinking t o install ubuntu 4.10 on my imac G3 500 mghz will it work?
[11:14] <bob2> HappyPills: why would you want to use ASCII mode?
[11:14] <bob2> ysmar: yes
[11:14] <bob2> ysmar: how much RAM do you have?
[11:14] <bob2> samatman_: what kernel version?
[11:14] <ysmar> 572
[11:14] <ysmar> ram*
[11:14] <bob2> then you'll be fine
[11:14] <samatman_> 2.6.10 i beleive, i'm pretty sure it's not 11
[11:15] <ysmar> ok thank you
[11:15] <HappyPills> I thought I was using it, I was uploading some .gif files to another computer on the network and they became corrupted at the other end.
[11:15] <ysmar> i dont know absolutly nothing about , is it hard to install?
[11:15] <HappyPills> gftp worked fine (in binary mode) but nautilus corrupted the files
[11:15] <HappyPills> so I am assuming that I am transferring in ascii mode in nautilus
[11:16] <bob2> ysmar: no
[11:16] <bob2> HappyPills: oh, ouch
[11:17] <kain> hi there, there's some tool around that configure gtk1 fonts correctly without tampering with gtkrc files?
[11:17] <kain> boa constructor looks so ugly
[11:17] <kain> so amule
[11:17] <HappyPills> same thing happened to a windows executable I was trying to upload to a windows machine =P
[11:18] <bob2> kain: switch from the gtk-theme-switch package
[11:18] <kain> let me see
[11:19] <kain> thank you
[11:19] <samatman_> well i'm giving up on ubuntu for now
[11:20] <kain> someone says that he enables AA on gtk1 fonts
[11:20] <topyli> awww
[11:20] <kain> is that possible?
[11:20] <bob2> kain: don't bother
[11:20] <bob2> it's crap and a terrible hack and won't even work on ubuntu without a hell of a lot of screwing around
[11:20] <kain> oh, ok
[11:21] <hazza96> I have a question about Hoary Pre-view
[11:21] <bob2> there was a package called libgdkxft0 in Debian for that, but it's really gross
[11:21] <claint> ubuntu follows debian's social contract, right?
[11:21] <hazza96> If I install Hoary and then just keep it up to date will it be the same as when Hoary is released?
[11:22] <bob2> hazza96: yes
[11:22] <bob2> claint: not explicitly, afaik
[11:22] <hazza96> excellent, I have Hoary Pre on my sons PC and it seems fine
[11:23] <bob2> hazza96: well, aside from changes to the installer, obviously
[11:23] <kain> btk gtk-theme-switch doesn't work so well
[11:23] <kain> it uses the same theme for every theme I choice
[11:24] <kain> I've installed some gtk-engines but it doesn't recognize them, only my gtk2 themes for gnome
[11:24] <crimsun> zyga: are you running Hoary?
[11:24] <zyga> crimsun: yes, latest
[11:24] <topyli> kain: gtk1 is very very broken these days. it doesn't get much maintainer love anymore
[11:24] <crimsun> zyga: please, sudo apt-get build-dep capplets
[11:24] <zyga> w8
[11:24] <claint> bob2 : though i remember reading somewhere that it would remain 'free'.
[11:24] <kain> topyli, I see, I was searching a way to make boa constructor fonts looks better
[11:24] <kain> sob
[11:24] <crimsun> zyga: is there any reason Hoary's version isn't suitable?
[11:24] <bob2> claint: yes
[11:24] <topyli> kain: i just try avoid it
[11:25] <bob2> claint: and the standards for ubuntu main are identical to Debian's DFSG-free atm
[11:25] <zyga> crimsun: I'm not sure I understand?
[11:25] <claint> bob2 : *nod*
[11:25] <crimsun> zyga: capplets is distributed in hoary/main
[11:25] <zyga> ah
[11:25] <crimsun> zyga: version 2.10.0
[11:25] <zyga> I was trying to preview fonts
[11:25] <zyga> with gonome-font-viewer
[11:26] <topyli> kain: the few gtk1 apps i encounter, i try to recompile against gtk2. sometimes you can, sometimes not
[11:26] <crimsun> zyga: it's as simple as sudo apt-get install capplets
[11:26] <zyga> and the sample 'brown fox' text isn't optimal for polish font previewing
[11:26] <zyga> crimsun: I wanted to add polish translation for that text
[11:26] <crimsun> zyga: k, and you ran ,,apt-get source capplets'' ?
[11:27] <zyga> crimsun: and check if the font previewer can fill up missing glyphs from other fonts
[11:27] <zyga> crimsun: yeah
[11:27] <crimsun> zyga: k, carry on. :)
[11:27] <zyga> crimsun: (running build-dep now)
[11:28] <zyga> crimsun: I'm not sure what's supposed to happen
[11:29] <crimsun> zyga: you have all the build dependencies installed now
[11:29] <zyga> crimsun: ah... :)
[11:29] <ren0> Hi I installed Hoary from the DVD in Linux Magazine but I seem to be having a lot of strange problems with multimedia that I didn't have with warty.
[11:29] <zyga> crimsun: I see
[11:30] <ren0> The good news though was that ndiswrapper worked right away
[11:30] <zyga> crimsun: I'll check wether xrandr and xinerama are listed in configure.in
[11:30] <ren0> First RealPlayer doesn't work.
[11:30] <topyli> ren0: that's probably because it doesn't work with esd
[11:31] <topyli> kill esd and see
[11:31] <ren0> It worked in warty. Didn't warty use esd also?
[11:31] <slept> good morning
[11:31] <topyli> yes
[11:32] <topyli> ren0: i guess esd is configured differently on hoary. i had to do some fiddling before all the games and realplay started working
[11:33] <topyli> esd.conf
[11:33] <zyga> crimsun: xrandr is checked (but the test was wrong obviously)
[11:34] <zyga> crimsun: but xinerama is nowhere to be seen in configure.in
[11:35] <crimsun> zyga: apt-cache showsrc capplets
[11:35] <topyli> ren0: set auto_spawn to 1 and spawn_options to -terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[11:35] <crimsun> zyga: look at Build-Depends
[11:35] <zyga> xrandr is listed
[11:36] <zyga> xinerama is not
[11:36] <zyga> brb
[11:36] <crimsun> zyga: right.
[11:36] <crimsun> zyga: I thought you mentioned a xinerama issue, my apologies.
[11:37] <DJ_Mirage> how should I mount a fat drive in fstab ?
[11:37] <zyga> crimsun: anyway it builds okay now
[11:37] <DJ_Mirage> I have /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    vfat    rw,user,owner   0       0
[11:37] <DJ_Mirage> but that doesnt give me any permissions o-O
[11:38] <bob2> add umask=002 to the options field
[11:38] <crimsun> DJ_Mirage: add umask=002 to your options
[11:39] <zyga> crimsun,bob2: Okay I've tracked my problem
[11:39] <zyga> bitstream vera doesn't have relevant characters
[11:39] <bob2> ah
[11:39] <DJ_Mirage> Crimsun. thanks :)
[11:39] <zyga> I'm pretty sure fedora version had them
[11:39] <zyga> going to check now
[11:39] <ren0> To find out if the esd is running ps -ux   Is that right?
[11:39] <bob2> ps aux | grep esd
[11:39] <bob2> or pidof esd
[11:40] <zyga> I'll probably also post a patch to font-view.c
[11:40] <zyga> current version dones'nt display translated "Brown fox" text if any required glyph is missing
[11:40] <zyga> this is misleading
[11:40] <ren0> thanks bob2
[11:40] <zyga> user has no way of knowing what's wrong
[11:40] <DJ_Mirage> brb reboot :)
[11:42] <topyli> ren0: Working ESD HOWTO: in /etc/esound/esd.conf, set auto_spawn to 1 and spawn_options to -terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[11:44] <_4strO> yop
[11:45] <echnaton> hi@all! does anybody know, how I can set my primary sound device in ubuntu, because I have two of them
[11:45] <ren0> Thanks topyli. I killed the esd and RealPlayer worked. I'll try your other sugestion also
[11:45] <topyli> ren0: yeah, then you can re-enable esd
[11:46] <bob2> echnaton: black list the modules for the other one
[11:46] <echnaton> ?
[11:46] <echnaton> what means black list
[11:47] <bob2> add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:47] <topyli> ren0: the blame is on Real though. RP8 did work with esd, but now the "gnome-friendly" gtk version doesnt
[11:47] <echnaton> sorry but i dont know the modules
[11:47] <echnaton> /dev/dsp ?
[11:47] <bob2> echnaton: then you need to find them
[11:47] <bob2> no, that's a file
[11:47] <echnaton> and how?
[11:49] <ren0> I am ex-army I know only how to kill stuff. (including processes) How do I restart esd?
[11:49] <topyli> ren0: heh. do esd& in a terminal
[11:50] <ren0> thanks as sudo?
[11:50] <topyli> you should hear the beeps
[11:50] <topyli> no
[11:50] <ren0> ok
[11:50] <topyli> it's a user process
[11:50] <dmoyne> has anybody found a fix to edit menus with KDE 3.4 with hoary ?
[11:50] <ren0> That did it. Thanks very much.
[11:50] <bob2> dmoyne: #kubuntu might know more
[11:50] <topyli> ren0: now, see if RP still works
[11:51] <topyli> before popping the cork :)
[11:51] <dmoyne> to bob2 what do you mean with kubuntu ?
[11:51] <bob2> dmoyne: the kubuntu IRC channel might know more
[11:52] <dmoyne> to bob2 ok i do connect to this channel ; thanks
[11:53] <ren0> topyli, not working now
[11:53] <topyli> ren0: grrr. then there's still something wrong with esd
[11:54] <topyli> ren0: join #flood. i'll paste my esd.conf there
[11:54] <ren0> thanks
[11:55] <topyli> see it?
[11:56] <dade`> yum yum
[11:56] <dade`> hi all
[11:56] <dade`> i tried installing hoary on a powerbook g4
[11:56] <ren0> Yeah. Its exactly what I have already.
[11:56] <dade`> to sda (firewire) disk
[11:56] <ren0> After making the changes you recommended.
[11:56] <dade`> it is not able to mount the partitions after creating them
[11:57] <dade`> i tryed in a shell but it seems to be not able to mount hda partitions too
[11:57] <topyli> ren0: hmm. dunno, maybe you need to log out or something, to let gnome-session handle esd. or something :)
[11:57] <rel> how can I set postfix to forward email to smtp server (smarthost) pkg-reconfigure doesnt allow to set this when choosing "sattelite system" ?
[11:57] <dade`> it say: mount : invalid argoument
[11:57] <ren0> I may try that. Thanks.
[11:58] <lamont> rel: edit  /etc/postfix/main.cf as root, relayhost=[smarthost] 
[11:58] <lamont> []  says just do address lookup, otherwise it does MX list
[11:58] <rel> lamont: okay
[12:00] <WeirdAl> I remember!
[12:00] <WeirdAl> sort of.
[12:00] <WeirdAl> I've just installed Ubuntu and I don't know what the default root password is.
[12:00] <topyli> no root login, no password
[12:01] <WeirdAl> So no su -?
[12:01] <topyli> no. use sudo
[12:01] <laxise> the root password is the password you have chosen for the one user
[12:01] <niran> no laxise
[12:01] <niran> there is no root password
[12:01] <laxise> i think yes
[12:01] <WeirdAl> OK well I did something at some point on the other computer to get one, and I want one, so can someone remind me what it is I did? :-)
[12:01] <HappyPills> you do everything using su and whatever password is setup for your user
[12:01] <topyli> WeirdAl: like "sudo some-command"
[12:01] <niran> the first account created is added to sudoers
[12:02] <WeirdAl> sudo's all very well and good but sometimes you just want to go into su and type normally
[12:02] <laxise> i have to type my firsts users passwd to log on
[12:02] <laxise> and the first user is me
[12:02] <slept> sudo su
[12:02] <zyga> WeirdAl: sudo su
[12:02] <niran> WeirdAl: sudo -s?
[12:02] <laxise> ??
[12:02] <topyli> WeirdAl: if you really want enable root logins, give root a password with "sudo passwd root". but there's no reason to do so
[12:02] <HappyPills> yeah, the propriety printer drivers for my printer won't let me install them unless I am root, using su has no effect
[12:02] <topyli> WeirdAl: otherwise you can get a shell with sudo sh or something
[12:03] <laxise> what does this command mean ... sudo su ???
[12:03] <laxise> su ... super user???
[12:03] <WeirdAl> yeah
[12:03] <laxise> sudo ???
[12:03] <WeirdAl> super user do
[12:03] <laxise> ah
[12:03] <laxise> and the last part - su???
[12:03] <echnaton> sudo passwd root
[12:03] <laxise> super user again ???
[12:03] <laxise> ah
[12:03] <laxise> i see
[12:03] <echnaton> arg
[12:03] <topyli> WeirdAl: actually it's not properly super user but substitute user. you can su to any user, not just root
[12:03] <ren0> topyli, that fixed the RealPlayer! Now I need to be able to play wmv files also. Can rythmbox do that?
[12:04] <topyli> ren0: joy :)
[12:04] <WeirdAl> ah yes... I sort of knew that, but I didn't really.
[12:04] <WeirdAl> Cheers.
[12:04] <cavediver> Is there a gui for mencoder or is there another program which can convert video-formats ?
[12:05] <topyli> ren0: dunno. totem-xine at least should play them after you get the win32 codecs
[12:05] <topyli> ren0: i have no wmv files
[12:05] <ren0> Indeed topyli . I can listen to my peace, love , meditation website now! with realplayer.
[12:05] <topyli> om
[12:05] <laxise> someone ... how to create a mountpoint for my my windows partition ???
[12:06] <ren0> I thought I installed the codecs as per the ubuntuguide.org
[12:06] <ren0> I'll double check though.
[12:06] <topyli> ren0: how does the guide tell you to do it? with apt?
[12:06] <HappyPills> laxise, what filesystem is the windows partition?
[12:06] <laxise> ah thanks ... ntfs
[12:06] <rel> lamont, works!  another something: Why does exim run along with postfix? A reason? I'am using hoary.
[12:06] <slept> laxise : sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:06] <laxise> arigato
[12:06] <bob2> laxise: mkdir /mnt/windows/
[12:06] <hayden> nano -w
[12:06] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:07] <ren0> topyli, yes with apt
[12:07] <laxise> ok thanks to you
[12:07] <bob2> laxise: then add a line like this to /etc/fstab: /dev/hdaX /mnt/windows/ ntfs umask=002 0 0
[12:07] <root> Could someone please help me setup nat/forwarding on Ubuntu Hoary? I need to do it from the command line... :-)
[12:08] <topyli> ren0: and you have totem-xine installed? as opposed to totem?
[12:08] <black_Nightmare> once again another stupid question: usb dvdrw drive with ubuntu?  just for to play dvd movies with..its not my drive but I can borrow it
[12:08] <bob2> black_Nightmare: plug it in.  enjoy.
[12:08] <black_Nightmare> heh ty bob2
[12:08] <bob2> root: you need to be way less vague
[12:08] <topyli> ren0: totem uses gstreamer by default
[12:09] <topyli> root: wow, you really seem to be surfing as root :(
[12:09] <ren0> So sudo apt-get install w32codecs isn't going to work then?
[12:09] <hayden> totem :S
[12:10] <hayden> i'd recommend gxine if ur using gnome
[12:10] <topyli> ren0: also do sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[12:11] <topyli> that should do it
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> topyli: that'd break ubuntu-desktop, and while it is safe, it can hurt when doing a dist-upgrade. I wouldn't recomend that to anyone unaware of that.
[12:12] <black_Nightmare> bob2 ... once again "what else is there that it can't do?" :p
[12:12] <topyli> HiddenWolf: yeah well, but ubuntu-desktop breaks the desktop :)
[12:12] <robhu> Hi :0) No more root! Could someone please help me out with setting up NAT on my Ubuntu box?
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> topyli: that isn't going to help anyone who gets stuck halfway between warty and hoary tho
[12:13] <topyli> HiddenWolf: true.
[12:13] <ren0> That fixed it topyli
[12:14] <topyli> ren0: you might as well make a note or HiddenWolf's warnings for dist-upgrade time. you'll probably want to install ubuntu-desktop then (at least temporarily)
[12:16] <ren0> HiddenWolf's warnings?
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> ren0: what fixes it for you is using xine instead of gstreamer (different decoders/backends for media players) totem-gstreamer is part of the default install, uninstalling it (which you do when you install totem-xine) also removes ubuntu-desktop, which is a package that gets updated every time ubuntu gets updated. By not having ubuntu-desktop installed your risk breaking the system if you dist-upgrade.
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> ren0: thus, I'd reccomend re-installing ubuntu-desktop and installing a different xine media player, such as gxine or xineui
[12:18] <ren0> ok. thanks.
[12:19] <topyli> ren0: at minimum, do this before upgrading to the next ubuntu release
[12:19] <ren0> Thanks
[12:21] <topyli> HiddenWolf: speaking of xine, is gxine still developed?
[12:21] <HiddenWolf> I have no clue. I use pure xineui myself
[12:22] <Paloseco> why ubuntu does not come with glib and gtk+1.2 .deb packages??
[12:22] <Paloseco> they are essential
[12:23] <black_Nightmare> palo..why not just quitely apt-get them yourself anyhow?  beside there's different libs and versions of it
[12:24] <will_cat> somebody could tell me how to reconfigure x-window-system to use a S3savage driver?
[12:24] <topyli> HiddenWolf: well, latest gxine is from december 2004 so maybe it's active
[12:24] <will_cat> i want to know the package that ubuntu uses in his installation
[12:24] <will_cat> and run it again
[12:24] <topyli> HiddenWolf: found one from march 2005 too :)
[12:24] <HiddenWolf> topyli: ok. :)
[12:27] <topyli> Paloseco: ubuntu does have those packages, i have them installed right now
[12:27] <Paloseco> topily i do not think so
[12:27] <Paloseco> they are not installed with ubuntu
[12:28] <topyli> Paloseco: ah, probably not by default. they get installed when you install something that requires them
[12:28] <Paloseco> topily they are not in /pool/main/g
[12:29] <topyli> Paloseco: then there's nothing in main that requires them, so they are in universe
[12:30] <Paloseco> do you know if debian packages are compatible?
[12:30] <topyli> Paloseco: if you're lucky. however, most of debian is in universe anyway
[12:30] <Paloseco> yeah, debian has lots of debs
[12:31] <nubbe> Is there any safe way to remove the kde-apps from kubuntu? I did remove kubuntu-desktop but when I check what synaptic wants to upgrade, it's a shit-load of kde apps
[12:31] <topyli> Paloseco: if i need something from debian, i get the source .deb and build on ubuntu
[12:31] <robhu> How do I get NAT working on Ubuntu?
[12:31] <Paloseco> how can i differ binary from source with .deb?
[12:32] <topyli> nubbe: kubuntu-desktop is only a virtual package that depends on all those others. try to remove kdelibs and see kde go away :)
[12:32] <nubbe> topyli, thanks, I'll give it a go
[12:33] <ulas2> hey any one running ubuntu on i855 graphics laptop?
[12:33] <topyli> Paloseco: you add a src line to sources.list, and when you apt-get source foo, you get the source package
[12:34] <Paloseco> topily the problem is i have not internet, i have to configure the external serial 56k modem but i am unable
[12:34] <topyli> Paloseco: ah
[12:34] <nubbe> topyli, Package kdelibs is not installed, so not removed
[12:34] <nubbe> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 82 not upgraded.
[12:34] <topyli> nubbe: so i remembered the name wrong, that's all
[12:35] <topyli> nubbe: the kde libs must live in a package of some name to that effect, so try and find it
[12:35] <nubbe> I think kde is gone, but all the apps r still there, mayeb
[12:35] <nubbe> I'll check a litle
[12:35] <nubbe> konqueror for example is still here
[12:35] <topyli> nubbe: then most of kde must be there as well
[12:36] <nubbe> yeah
[12:39] <nubbe> kdebase maybe?
[12:40] <EddieX> any nice cdr util using gtk? except xcdroast?
[12:40] <Amaranth> gnomebaker
[12:40] <EddieX> checkin
[12:41] <EddieX> seems to be very nice
[12:41] <ulas2> i855?
[12:51] <dualm> hello, friends
[12:52] <dualm> I am still not able to bring up X with Hoary on AMD64 ( via chipset - K8m800 )
[12:52] <topyli> nubbe: kdebase will remove a lot. i'd still hunt the libs down
[12:53] <wezzer> is hoary to be released in april?
[12:53] <black_Nightmare> wezzer...seem like it, I dunno really thou
[12:53] <wezzer> ok
[12:53] <zookofamilytime> dualm: googling for "ubuntu k8m800" might help you.
[12:54] <black_Nightmare> KM800 -- that has to be a fairly newish chipset isn't it?
[12:55] <dualm> zookofamilytime, I did a lot of googling but everybody seem to face a problem with this chipset,
[12:55] <nubbe> topyli, I think kdelibs is gone, since that IS the correct name
[12:55] <nmoore> can anyone help me? sun java is really slow when i'm playing games, i've tried renicing it but to no avail. it was fine with another distro
[12:56] <nubbe> kdebase and kdegraphics should take care of most
[12:56] <zooko> I Can't help.  But I'm curious what games you play with Java.
[12:56] <zooko> Argh -- certificate authority crapola in postfix tls.
[12:56] <topyli> nubbe: ok, remove kdebase, kdebase-bin and kdebase-data, not much can survive after that
[12:56] <nmoore> zooko: online games, snooker
[12:57] <zooko> nmoore: cool.
[12:57] <topyli> nmoore: where can you play snooker online?
[12:57] <zooko> I would guess the problem is in some graphics code rather than in Sun's Java.
[12:57] <nubbe> topyli, will do, thanks
[12:57] <nmoore> topyli: www.flyordie.com
[12:57] <black_Nightmare> say...stupid question once again but...how well does ubuntu support via CLE chipsets?
[12:57] <zooko> For example, you might be using software GL rendering in Ubuntu, where you were using hardware GL in the other distro.
[12:57] <zooko> Just a guess.
[12:58] <black_Nightmare> them mini-itx boards that is yeah
[12:58] <nmoore> topyli: tell me if it's slow for you
[12:58] <nmoore> zooko: i'm using direct rendering both times
[12:58] <topyli> nmoore: cool!
[12:58] <topyli> nmoore: ah, this will take a while since i have to register
[12:59] <nmoore> zooko: i'm going to see if it's a gnome problem
[12:59] <WeirdAl> Is there anything I can use to see my NTFS partition from within Linux?
[01:00] <Paloseco> yo can compile your kernel with NTFS read support, write is no supported for now in any way
[01:00] <bic> weiss jemand wie den Bildschirminhalt nach links verschieben kann???
[01:00] <topyli> WeirdAl: just mount it
[01:01] <WeirdAl> How do I mount it?
[01:01] <shank_> man mount
[01:01] <nubbe> WeirdAl, check ubuntuguide.com
[01:01] <WeirdAl> k cheers
[01:01] <nubbe> all u need to know
[01:01] <topyli> WeirdAl: mount -t ntfs [options]  [mount-point] 
[01:01] <bic> does anybody know, how i can move the display content to left
[01:02] <topyli> WeirdAl: well, the partition to mount should be on the command line too :)
[01:02] <tck> lo sj
[01:02] <sj`> lo tck (:
[01:02] <nubbe> WeirdAl, check ubuntuguide.org  sorry
[01:03] <nubbe> they got solutions to most newbie probs, worked great for me
[01:03] <tck> WeirdAl, whats the problem
[01:04] <laxise> i cant set up a mountpoint for windows ... pls help ... i already created a directory /mnt/windows and now i was trying to set up a mountpoint in fstab by typing /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=002 0 0 ... any idea??
[01:04] <nubbe> Paloseco, ntfs read must be supported since it works for me, right?
[01:05] <nubbe> WeirdAl, sudo
[01:05] <nubbe> ?
[01:05] <tck> laxise, specify with, -t ntfs
[01:05] <Paloseco> yeah, i said write is not supported
[01:05] <Quinn_Storm> tck: you don't use -t in fstab
[01:05] <bob2> laxise: do not /msg people
[01:05] <bob2> it's nnoying and rude
[01:05] <tck> Quinn_Storm, ok
[01:05] <Quinn_Storm> laxise: what is the error when you put that line in fstab and then issue mount /mnt/windows ?
[01:05] <nubbe> Paloseco, it just looked like u said u needed to compile a new kernel with read support
[01:06] <topyli> laxise: better to /query them after asking permission
[01:06] <sj`> laxise: can you mount it without putting it into fstab? sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /mnt/windows
[01:06] <Paloseco> old kernels have not ntfs support, and some distros neither
[01:06] <sj`> i don't have my windows partition in fstab and i just mount it manually.
[01:06] <bob2> laxise: the string you have there is fine, put it in /etc/fstab
[01:06] <bob2> Paloseco: ubuntu ones do, however
[01:06] <nubbe> Paloseco, it's in warty and up at least
[01:06] <Paloseco> yes, good work
[01:07] <Paloseco> i do not know
[01:07] <laxise> bob2: i already did but i does not work (putting in to /etc/fstab
[01:08] <bob2> laxise: "does not work" is too vague
[01:08] <bob2> laxise: paste error messages to #flood
[01:08] <nubbe> WeirdAl, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[01:08] <laxise> ok okk i try it again and if it does not work ill tell you
[01:08] <nubbe> don't work ( with correct /dev/hd???)?
[01:11] <slept> laxise : did you use sudo ?
[01:13] <nubbe> laxise, u prolly need to mkdir /media/windows
[01:13] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[01:16] <nubbe> what is the diff between /media and /mnt?  is /mnt there just to be compatible with other linux-apps?
[01:17] <bob2>  /media is supposed to contain subdirs for mounting stuff
[01:17] <Quinn_Storm> nubbe: /media and /mnt are just folders...you can mount stuff anywhere you like.
[01:18] <hkais> hello
[01:18] <laxise> bob2: already working :)
[01:18] <bob2> cool
[01:18] <scorpix> is there any .deb for Nvu?
[01:18] <nubbe> yes, but /media is obviously the standard place for that in ubuntu, right? and /mnt is in other distros, or ist that wrong?
[01:18] <bob2> only broken ones, afaik
[01:19] <laxise> bob2: what do the umask= 002  and  0  0   mean???
[01:19] <corza> hey guys i'm having a few problems
[01:19] <bob2> nubbe: the FHS is the actual document which explains all this, you can read that if you want the gory details
[01:19] <bob2> but other distroes should/will use /media for mounting random stuff
[01:19] <nubbe> bob2, FHS?
[01:19] <laxise> bob2: what do the umask= 002  and  0  0   mean???
[01:19] <bob2> corza: can't help if you don't ask!
[01:19] <bob2> laxise: please don't repeat, I'm in the middle of typing my answer
[01:19] <tck> well was
[01:19] <laxise> bob2: ok sorry
[01:20] <laxise> :|
[01:20] <corza> bob2, lol sorry.. umm i'm having trouble with my mp3 files in rhythembox
[01:20] <bob2> laxise: umask tells the kernel how to set the permissions when it mounts it, the two 0's are for backup stuff, iirc
[01:20] <bob2> just leave them as 0
[01:20] <bob2> nubbe: filesystem hierarchy standard, pathname.com/fhs/
[01:20] <bob2> corza: did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:21] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:21] <wezzer> that will help to the mp3-problem
[01:21] <hkais> does anyone could give me a link to a page, there i can figure out:
[01:21] <hkais> - how long security fixes are available for each release
[01:21] <hkais> - how I can upgrade similar to debian to a newer release
[01:21] <laxise> bob2: hm i switched umask to deafaults ... and now it works ... is that bad???
[01:21] <corza> bob2, no i have read other places but i'll give it ago
[01:22] <bob2> corza: 22:21:08         wezzer |  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:22] <bob2> corza: that's the solution, anyway
[01:22] <bob2> laxise: I don't know what you mean
[01:22] <corza> bob2, yes i tried that it didnt work...
[01:22] <laxise> bob2: was i supposed to write umask into the line options????
[01:23] <bob2> corza: "didn't work"?
[01:23] <ironwolf> is there a screensaver in ubuntu that will slideshow images from a directory? much like webshots did in windows?  If so, what's it called?
[01:23] <laxise> bob2: umask=002 into line options???
[01:23] <bob2> laxise: yes.  you don't need to use more than one question mark, tho.
[01:23] <bob2> laxise: in the options columne.
[01:23] <laxise> bob2: i know but i do ...
[01:23] <NetSKaVeN> anyone remastering ubuntu live CD?
[01:24] <laxise> bob2: of course column ... sorry
[01:24] <bung__> ironwolf: I'm pretty sure there's one in the default lot (as my flatmate uses it), but I couldn't tell you what it's called :/
[01:24] <corza> bob2 well it worked as far as i know.. but it still doesnt support mp3 files
[01:24] <bob2> corza: sure you have that package installed?
[01:24] <ironwolf> bung__: there are quite a lot in the default lot... and it's not named such that it stands out.
[01:24] <nubbe> hehe
[01:24] <nubbe> www.pathname.com exist
[01:25] <Quinn_Storm> ironwolf: sorry, I only know about slide show from kde in kubuntu
[01:25] <laxise> bob2: but i did not write umask=002 into the options column but switched it for defaults ... and now it works but when i wrote umask=002 i did not ...
[01:25] <bung__> ironwolf: might be a gl one
[01:25] <corza> bob2, yes
[01:25] <bob2> laxise: ok
[01:25] <corza> bob2, i used sypnatic
[01:26] <corza> bob2, synaptic or wat ever it is lol
[01:26] <laxise> bob: does it matter when there is defauls instead of umask=002 in the options column???
[01:26] <bob2> laxise: if it works for you, no
[01:26] <bob2> I'm surprisde you can actually access the files, tho
[01:27] <jmr> I can't get AltGr + (some umlaut) to work even if I defined my own xmodmap for the keycodes 34,47 and 48! A xmodmap miracle?
[01:27] <ironwolf> bung__: thanks.. off to look
[01:27] <laxise> bob2: ok hope it wont make any bugs ... thx to you bob2 !!!
[01:27] <bob2> laxise: you're most welcome
[01:27] <laxise> bob2: thx
[01:27] <corza> bob2, yeah i did update it and it said it worked anyway
[01:27] <bob2> corza: ok
[01:28] <bob2> corza: do other files work?
[01:28] <corza> bob2, dont know but i'm sure the files that are supported would check
[01:28] <corza> bob2, not check * work*
[01:29] <bob2> corza: can you check?
[01:29] <corza> bob2, with what files?
[01:29] <bob2> corza: with a Vorbis or wav or flac or something file.
[01:30] <corza> k i'll download a test wav file i'll go find one for ya :P
[01:30] <bob2> cool, thanks
[01:31] <bob2> corza: http://vorbis.com/music.psp
[01:31] <jmr> Aren't there any Xmodmap gurus here?
[01:31] <bob2> zooko: just installing postfix-tls and reading the tls docs was enough for me
[01:31] <zooko> Argh.  This TLS stuff makes me cry.  If only postfix used SSH's key management concepts instead.
[01:32] <zooko> bob2: Thanks for the tip!  But postfix-tls came with no docs.
[01:32] <corza> bob2, i got it to work on totem but it wont work on "music player"
[01:32] <zooko> MAIN yumyum:~/Desktop$ ls /usr/share/doc/postfix-tls/
[01:32] <zooko> changelog.Debian.gz  copyright
[01:32] <bob2> zooko: there's some on postfix.org
[01:32] <zooko> bob2: thanks.
[01:32] <bob2> zooko: oh, it installs them to the postfix doc dir for some reason
[01:32] <bic> does anybody know how can i adjust my display, like to move left?
[01:32] <bob2> zooko: btw, are you the scm comparison zooko?
[01:33] <corza> bob2?
[01:33] <bic> does anybody know how can i adjust my display, like to move left?
[01:33] <zooko> Oh, I see the problem.  I need to use TLS merely as a transport layer.
[01:33] <zooko> It could be opportunistically and dynamically keyed and that would be fine.
[01:33] <zooko> But this doc is all about using TLS as an authentication scheme.  Hm.
[01:34] <zooko> bob2: yes.
[01:34] <corza> bob2, i'm downloading the vorbis file now.. to see if it will work
[01:34] <zooko> my scm comparison doc is getting a bit old and creaky though
[01:34] <topyli> bic: you mean by software?
[01:34] <bic> yes
[01:34] <bob2> zooko: that's fine, just generate your keys and it will opportunistically encrypt
[01:34] <bob2> zooko: heh, yeah
[01:34] <bob2> zooko: doesn't even mention bazaar ;-)
[01:34] <zooko> bob2: Thanks for the encouragement.  I'll have another go at the docs in /usr/share/doc/postfix
[01:34] <zooko> bob2: yeah...
[01:34] <corza> bob2, oh how soothing...
[01:34] <corza> bob2: it works lol
[01:34] <bob2> corza: hah
[01:34] <zooko> MAIN yumyum:~$ ls /usr/share/doc/postfix
[01:34] <zooko> README.Debian  changelog.Debian.gz  changelog.gz  copyright
[01:34] <zooko> What am I missing?
[01:34] <topyli> bic: xvidtune, but it's a bit... uh, "advanced"
[01:35] <corza> bob2: flutes and stuff real impressive.. lol!
[01:35] <bic> no problem, i'll try it, thx
[01:35] <zooko> Maybe I'll just make a subcategory for archlikes.  tla, bazaar, arx.
[01:35] <corza> bob2, what do u suggeset i do?
[01:36] <bob2> zooko: postfix-doc?
[01:37] <bob2> zooko: have you seen? bazaar-ng(.org), btw?  it's going to start rocking the world, imho.
[01:37] <zooko> bob2: bingo!  Thanks!
[01:37] <zooko> I've heard of bazaar-ng.  There was a brief discussion of it on the darcs-users list recently.
[01:37] <bic> topyli: thx, i did it :)
[01:37] <zooko> I will keep paying attention to it.
[01:37] <zooko> I don't fully grok arch/bazaar's concept of branching and merging.
[01:38] <zooko> Is it really nothing but history-aware diff and patch?
[01:38] <zooko> Or is there something about it that I haven't understood yet?
[01:38] <bob2> zooko: yes
[01:38] <corza> bob2: off me now?? lol
[01:38] <bob2> zooko: bazaar-ng goes for a darcs/bk working-copy-is-a-branch model, fwiw
[01:38] <zooko> From my current perspective there are four merging algorithms: a) naive (cvs, svn), b) history-aware (arch, monotone, etc.), c) darcs, d) codeville.
[01:38] <bob2> corza: I have no idea, sorry
[01:39] <zooko> I don't know almost anything about bk.
[01:39] <bob2> zooko: it looks possible to implement codeville in b-type systems, tho
[01:39] <corza> bob2, what about with my mouse problem..
[01:39] <zooko> What are b-type systems?
[01:39] <bob2> er, codeville-style-merging
[01:39] <corza> bob2: my scroller has turned into my back forward buttons and back forward buttons into my scroller...
[01:39] <bob2> arch, monotone, etc
[01:39] <zooko> bob2: do you work on bazaar/bazaar-ng fulltime or what?
[01:39] <bob2> zooko: bazaar, yeah
[01:40] <zooko> Yes, I've read a post from Tom Lord saying "Oh, yeah that darcs merging stuff is just a different merging algorithm.  We could plug it in anytime we wanted.".
[01:40] <corza> argh can someone help me with mouse buttons?
[01:40] <bob2> corza: how did you manage to configre it to do that?
[01:40] <zooko> From my perspective this is somewhat ironic, as the merging algorithm is the central feature, to me, so I'm not sure why I should have any interest in tla/etc. until it *has* actually plugged in a new merging algorithm...
[01:41] <zooko> But I know this isn't the same for everyone -- there is plenty of use for a revision control system with normal old merging.
[01:41] <corza> bob2, i wouldnt have a clue.. lol well i do somehow umm i edited xorg.conf and added some things in that it said on a website but thats all i really done..
[01:41] <bob2> zooko: I'm not sure when darcs gives better results than baz's new merge algorithm
[01:41] <zooko> I have the strong feeling that there is something I'm not getting about the archlikes.
[01:41] <bob2> corza: does removing that line help?
[01:41] <zooko> I should really try one out, but a couple times when I tried tla my eyeballs glazed over and I decided there were other things I wanted to do with my time...
[01:42] <bob2> yeah, tla's ui is pretty crufty
[01:42] <zooko> bob2: is there some doc about baz's new merge algorithm I could read?
[01:42] <bob2> it even annoys me, nowadays
[01:42] <zooko> Also I guess I could bring myself to try baz...
[01:42] <bob2> zooko: one sec
[01:42] <bob2> zooko: if you're only going to give it one shot, I'd wait for 1.3, in about 3 weeks
[01:42] <laxise> bob2: cant play mp3s on my totem player ... what to do???
[01:42] <zooko> I don't want to experience eyeballglaze again, but I know that baz was conceived with the raison d'etre of fixing that aspect of tla...
[01:42] <bob2> it's going to be pretty awesome
[01:42] <zooko> :-)
[01:42] <bob2> laxise: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:42] <zooko> I will definitely look forward to it then!
[01:43] <zooko> MEanwhile, I will read the newly discovered postfix-doc.
[01:43] <zooko> Hm.  Shouldn't postfix suggest postfix-doc ?
[01:43] <laxise> bob2: ah thx ... im starting to learn linux so do not laugh :)
[01:43] <Quinn_Storm> what is this baz thing btw?
[01:43] <corza> bob2, I sorta edited a few lines and if i undone what i had done i would have only the use of my scroller..
[01:43] <zooko> In fact, it replaced postfix-doc (<< 1.1.7-0) but didn't suggest or recommend any other postfix-doc...
[01:44] <bob2> zooko: hrm, that is kinda weird
[01:44] <bob2> lamont: shouldn't postfix recommend/suggest postfix-doc?
[01:44] <sj`> is hoary stable enough to upgrade to yet?
[01:44] <zooko> I would report the bug, but my mail isn't working.  :-)
[01:44] <bob2> corza: hm?
[01:44] <bob2> corza: you would or would not have use of it?
[01:44] <zooko> sj`: it is stable enough that you could help find the remaining bugs.  ;-)
[01:44] <bob2> Quinn_Storm: bazaar.canonical.com, a distributed revision control system
[01:44] <bob2> sj`: it seems to be pretty ok atm
[01:44] <sj`> hehe
[01:45] <sj`> thanks guys
[01:45] <Quinn_Storm> bob2: cool
[01:45] <bob2> sj`: as long as you don't want to edit your gnome menus!
[01:45] <corza> bob2: I would have use of only the scroller but not the back forward buttons
[01:45] <sj`> bob2: ah, gotcha!
[01:45] <corza> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons thats the website i got it off
[01:45] <bob2> corza: oh, when you say "back and forward buttons", you mean ones on the mouse
[01:45] <bob2> ok, with you now
[01:45] <corza> lol yep
[01:46] <corza> bob2: as in Intellimouse Explorer
[01:46] <corza> (Version 3.0)
[01:46] <bob2> corza: yeah, I used to have one
[01:46] <bob2> corza: ok, each button on that gigantic mouse of yours has a number
[01:46] <corza> bob2, yes i understand that
[01:46] <bob2> your config is just wrong in that it's mapped "scroll" to the back button
[01:46] <corza> bob2: how do i change that *-)
[01:46] <hkais> does anyone could give me a link to a page, there i can figure out:
[01:46] <hkais>  - how long security fixes are available for each release
[01:46] <hkais>  - how I can upgrade similar to debian to a newer release
[01:47] <Quinn_Storm> I happen to like the large intellimouse explorer, I wish they hadn't shrunk it
[01:47] <bob2> hkais: probably on the support page, 18 months for each release, you upgrade just as yo uwould on Debian
[01:47] <corza> Quinn_Storm: mine is quite large :)
[01:47] <bob2> hkais: ie, with apt/synaptic/aptitude, and only after reading the upgrade notes
[01:47] <corza> n i like it :P
[01:47] <corza> mouse that is lol
[01:47] <Quinn_Storm> corza: lol, glad I know the context to all that
[01:48] <hkais> is there any option to have a longer support?
[01:48] <bob2> corza: make the ZAxisMapping line refer to 4 5 instead of 6 7
[01:48] <corza> bob2, good thinking i might just try that
[01:48] <bob2> hkais: if you're interested in further paid support, I'm sure someone at canonical would love to talk to you
[01:48] <hkais> sorry what is canonical
[01:49] <Quinn_Storm> hey, just happened to notice, they synced in the rest of the packages the metapackage "kde" needs sometime lastnight!
[01:49] <bob2> hkais: the company sponsoring ubuntu
[01:49] <hkais> ahh okay
[01:49] <corza> bob2, would i have to restart the computer to make an effect?
[01:50] <bob2> corza: you'd need to restart X
[01:50] <corza> bob2, being log in log out?
[01:50] <bob2> I think so
[01:50] <corza> bob2 any other ways of restarting x?
[01:50] <bob2> lots
[01:50] <bob2> but that's the easiest, and they all involve closing all running X programs
[01:50] <Kazuhiro> ctrl-alt-backspace kills x
[01:51] <Kazuhiro> but only use if if things are not working properly
[01:51] <ironwolf> thanks bung__: found it. sleep now...
[01:51] <corza> meh i'll just restart it or something
[01:52] <bob2> hkais: you can email info@canonical.com if you want to talk to someone about support
[01:54] <hayden> i've just upgraded from the preview release of kubuntu, and now when i try get to the desktop via ctrl-alt-d it doesnt do anything, how can i add this shortcut again?
[01:54] <hkais> bob2: yes but I must figure out how expensive a longer support is
[01:55] <bob2> hkais: email and ask :-)
[01:55] <fgx> HIghoS, very annoying problem here:
[01:55] <hkais> okay thanks
[01:55] <corza> bob2, that did not work that turned my back and forward buttons off and leaving the scroller to do the job
[01:55] <fgx> my laptop is playing "beeps"
[01:55] <bob2> corza: ok
[01:55] <fgx> and this is dmesg:
[01:55] <sj`> after upgrading to hoary will i have to change anything to get it to boot?
[01:55] <apokryphos> hayden: kcontrol. Change the shortcut.
[01:56] <fgx> mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000
[01:56] <bob2> sj`: shouldn't have to
[01:56] <corza> bob2, any ideas?
[01:56] <hayden> ok thanks
[01:57] <bob2> corza: don't know, sorry
[01:57] <bob2> corza: try asking on the user list, maybe
[01:57] <corza> bob2, whats the user list?
[01:57] <bob2> corza: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[02:00] <sj`> bob2: cool thanks, my dsl dropped in the middle of upgrading
[02:00] <sj`> gah
[02:00] <sj`> ;/
[02:01] <bob2> that's cool, it'll pick up where it was
[02:01] <sj`> excellent.
[02:02] <hkais> bob2: do you know if it is possible to upgrade from one release to an other, easily?
[02:02] <bob2> hkais: sure
[02:02] <Kazuhiro> reasonably so
[02:02] <bob2> hkais: should work at least as well as Debian does
[02:02] <Kazuhiro> change your sources, dist-upgrade in apt get
[02:02] <Quinn_Storm> I once did a woody->sarge/sid upgrade without trouble so it is possible
[02:02] <hkais> ahh okay...
[02:03] <Kazuhiro> I did, but I had issues, with nvidia driver issues
[02:03] <Quinn_Storm> Kazuhiro: sometimes they change the names of things, that can be a big hassle...
[02:03] <Kazuhiro> and xfree86 not supporting gf6600gt pci-e properly
[02:03] <Quinn_Storm> one of the big gotchas that needs to be watched for on a warty->hoary is that (iirc) warty used xfree and hoary uses xorg
[02:04] <zooko> E: Package ca-certificates has no installation candidate
[02:04] <Kazuhiro> I have done that upgrade and I still had xfree86 running fine
[02:04] <hkais> ob2: i have a number of server, which I do not want to update too regulary, therefore my questions
[02:04] <hkais> server/servers
[02:04] <Kazuhiro> have you seen cfengine for configuring them?
[02:05] <corza> bob2, when i press make when i'm installing files it  says no rule to make target 'install'. stop.
[02:06] <bob2> corza: indeed
[02:06] <bob2> corza: talk to whoever wrote the software
[02:06] <corza> bob2, does this mean it failed?
[02:06] <WeirdAl> hi again. I just installed xmms and every time I try to play an MP3 it locks up.
[02:06] <corza> bob2, umm xmms?
[02:06] <topyli> hkais: servers should have less trouble with upgrades. no X, no python hassles etc.
[02:07] <corza> bob2, i'm trying to install xmms
[02:07] <bob2> corza: xmms is already available in ubuntu
[02:07] <WeirdAl> corza: you can install xmms from apt-get
[02:07] <corza> bob2: really?
[02:07] <hkais> topyli: but i have some other tools, like IBM Websphere, DB2 UDB and Confixx
[02:07] <bob2> corza: sure
[02:07] <bob2> corza: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in universe
[02:08] <WeirdAl> yeah corza. sudo apt-get install xmms
[02:08] <corza> what do u reckons better
[02:08] <corza> xmms or mplayer?
[02:08] <slept> WeirdAl: killall esd
[02:08] <topyli> hkais: with any luck, they will stay there and continue working as before
[02:08] <corza> bob2/weirdal: Xmms or Mplayer?
[02:08] <corza> which is better?
[02:08] <bob2> corza: they do very different things
[02:08] <zooko> I think that this issue of esd blocking alsa arose in hoary only recently.
[02:09] <WeirdAl> Well I installed xmms because it installs mp3 support with it.
[02:09] <bob2> mplayer is a better movie player, xmms is a better music one
[02:09] <zooko> xmms is better at playing audio, mplayer is better at playing video
[02:09] <corza> sounds good for me :)
[02:09] <WeirdAl> I'd still use mplayer for movies though
[02:09] <WeirdAl> plus, xmms looks like winamp
[02:09] <corza> WeirdAl, where does the file install itself to?
[02:09] <WeirdAl> which xmms
[02:09] <WeirdAl> that'll tell you
[02:09] <corza> yes
[02:09] <WeirdAl> Sorry, I meant that as a command.
[02:09] <zooko> Argh.  Am I going to have to generate a self-signed certificate or something to accept STARTTLS e-mail?  Argh.
[02:09] <WeirdAl> If you don't know where a package went, just run which <package> and it will tell you.
[02:10] <bob2> zooko: think so
[02:10] <WeirdAl> Probably /usr/bin/xmms in this case
[02:10] <cyano> hello world :-)
[02:10] <WeirdAl> slept: thanks mate, that did it!
[02:10] <corza> weirdal: nope.. :S
[02:11] <WeirdAl> slept, Can you explain what it was it did?
[02:11] <corza> WeirdAl: its not in there dude
[02:11] <WeirdAl> corza: did you do apt-get install xmms?
[02:11] <corza> WeirdAl: no synaptic
[02:11] <WeirdAl> ah well
[02:12] <WeirdAl> I'm more noob than that :-)
[02:12] <corza> crap because i've downloaded files from synaptic and i dont know where they go :S
[02:12] <WeirdAl> :-\
[02:13] <WeirdAl> I've not yet installed anything that apt didn't have so I don't know about that.
[02:13] <corza> does anyone know where the files from synaptic go?
[02:13] <slept> WeirdAl: you stoped esd , it blocked your soundcard before
[02:13] <corza> WeirdAl i'm pretty new so um how do u run it after i find it?
[02:14] <zooko> Oh how I hate Public Key Infrastructure.
[02:14] <zooko> No offense to any billionaire PKI magnates...
[02:14] <slept> corza : with dpkg -L packagename you can find out where the files go and how they are named
[02:14] <corza> slept: i found out how to run it lol run application xmms haha but yeah :S
[02:15] <zooko> Hm.  Can DNS MX records specify a non-standard port number for SMTP ?
[02:15] <corza> slept: i'm happy i have music :D:D:D:D
[02:16] <Rocha> Hello, anyone here with a working ipod shuffle in ubuntu?
[02:16] <WeirdAl> slept: what's esd?
[02:16] <Rocha> WeirdAl, enlightenment sound daemon
[02:16] <WeirdAl> Ah right. Can I live without it?
[02:17] <WeirdAl> And can I turn it off so I don't have to keep killing it?
[02:17] <Rocha> WeirdAl, maybe, but i don't know how
[02:17] <WeirdAl> ah.
[02:17] <WeirdAl> OK
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> gstreamer0.8-mad will get mp3 support
[02:18] <Rocha> My ipod shuffle doesn't work in linux :(
[02:18] <bdr> hi - has anyone installed ubuntu on an evesham c510 laptop? trying to find a well linux-supported P-M ~2.0ghz laptop
[02:19] <hkais> Use IBM THinkpads
[02:21] <slept> i can't kill xmms not even with kill -9 pid, any ideas ?
[02:21] <Rocha> slept, that's weird
[02:21] <bdr> hkais: The R51 looks quite nice
[02:21] <stazz> slept: does "ps aux | grep xmms" print xmms <defunct>
[02:22] <hkais> bdr: if you want a compact one try the T42p
[02:22] <Kazuhiro> could some one provide me with the correct syntax for apt's sources file for marillat source
[02:22] <Kazuhiro> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ main unstable is that correct?
[02:22] <hkais> bdr: in germany is a nice shop http://www.cyberport.de
[02:22] <hkais> for notebooks
[02:23] <zooko> Kazuhiro: if you google for "ubuntu restricted formats"
[02:23] <apokryphos> Kazuhiro: looks right
[02:24] <Kazuhiro> hmm getting apt-get update errors
[02:24] <Kazuhiro> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net main/unstable Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_main_unstable_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:24] <bdr> hkais: I'm in the UK. more looking for desktop replacement, I guess. back to scouring google, I guess
[02:24] <p|> hello
[02:24] <zooko> bdr: linuxlaptops.org
[02:25] <p|> what i have to do to add a new app. ti the gnome menu ?
[02:25] <hkais> the T42p is also a desktop replacement with 1600x1200 TFT 60GB 7.2krpm about 2GHz P-M
[02:25] <hkais> bdr: the R series is the heavier version of the T series
[02:25] <slept> stazz : i don't understand
[02:25] <stazz> slept: " ps aux | grep xmms "
[02:26] <hkais> bdr: i've ordered the T42p as a destopreplacment
[02:26] <hkais> destopreplacment/desktopreplacement
[02:26] <slept> stazz : i know the pid it just doesn't react , is there something more agressive than kill -9 (with sudo( ?
[02:26] <stazz> slept: no, no no.
[02:27] <stazz> slept: could you just please tell what "ps aux | grep xmms" prints?
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> membreya: are u here ?
[02:27] <slept> stazz : 19008  0.0  2.2  27988  5708 ?        D    14:17   0:00 xmms
[02:27] <jcotellese> Anyone interested in fielding a question about GStreamer?
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> jcotellese: ask, dont ask to ask
[02:28] <Kazuhiro> da_bon_bon, its 12:30am in Aus,
[02:28] <bdr> hkais: looks nice, a bit out of my budget, maybe: work has given me around 1500-2000gbp(2100Eur) to spend
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> Kazuhiro: so ?
[02:28] <Kazuhiro> da_bon_bon, membreya is in australia
[02:28] <Kazuhiro> may not be on the pc...
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> Kazuhiro: oh ok, didnt realize that.
[02:28] <hkais> bdr: ahh okay...
[02:28] <hkais> The R series is then your right choice
[02:29] <bdr> hkais: thanks, will go look around
[02:29] <jcotellese> Sorry. My question is I wish to play M4A files. I knows GStreamer can do this using FAAD. However it seems as if it isn't supported in ubuntu. I'm a newbie with Ubuntu and wish to know if I install the FAAD libraries how I can recompile GStreamer to support this?
[02:29] <stazz> slept: tried killall -9 xmms ?
[02:29] <slept> yes
[02:29] <hkais> bdr: np, I also was about to look for the ASUS notebooks, but the linux support is not so good as I made experiences with IBM
[02:29] <stazz> slept: what does it say
[02:29] <slept> nothing
[02:30] <stazz> slept: tried killall -11 xmms ?
[02:30] <slept> nothing :-(
[02:30] <stazz> slept: sudo killall -9 xmms ?
[02:30] <slept> the same
[02:30] <stazz> slept: how hot is your cpu?
[02:31] <stazz> slept: can you see it from anywhere?
[02:31] <slept> got no sensor
[02:31] <stazz> then there's not pretty much anything other you could do than reboot
[02:32] <stazz> did your xmms crash when playing something or on load?
[02:32] <sj`> could you restart X?
[02:32] <will> I seem to have serious sound sync problems with video etc. after a minute or so everything goes out of sync!
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about finding shorty floppy ribbons in east usa? (or anywhere in canada heh)
[02:32] <slept> stazz :while changing the output plugin to esd
[02:32] <stazz> slept: uhm.. killall -9 esd
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> I'm wondering about maybe like say 10" or something a bit longer
[02:33] <stazz> slept: it might be something is blocking the sound-devices and xmms is actually waiting for them or something similar..
[02:34] <slept> yes but it should be killable
[02:34] <stazz> well.. in theory yes, but you clearly can see that it's not going to die?-)
[02:34] <slept> but ther must be a way
[02:34] <monkey89> does anyone know of a place that explains how to install user mode linux on ubuntu?
[02:36] <stazz> monkey89: if you need to ask that, usermode propably isn't for you :)
[02:36] <baise> anybody know why dvd playback is blurred and choppy when i have it in full screen?
[02:36] <monkey89> stazz, um... whatever, im just going to try in a chroot then
[02:36] <stazz> monkey89: try jail.
[02:37] <Skid> what does no acceptable 'cc' in path found mean? - I've gcc installed.. ?
[02:37] <slept> stazz : thanks
[02:37] <stazz> slept: what, something worked? :)
[02:37] <monkey89> stazz, why would that help?  thats for a multiuser system
[02:37] <monkey89> stazz, im trying to run another OS so I can do a little work with it
[02:38] <monkey89> so im just going to run it in a normal chroot
[02:38] <stazz> Which is this "other OS" ? :)
[02:38] <slept> stazz: mpg321 does it I just stoped wasting time
[02:38] <will> where is the config file to add commands to the snd-intel8x0 alsa driver
[02:38] <monkey89> stazz, gentoo - I need to use it to build a livecd for myself
[02:38] <stazz> slept: hehe.. well, it might be because of your cpu.
[02:38] <stazz> monkey89: you don't need gentoo for that
[02:38] <monkey89> stazz, i need it for the tool that I use
[02:38] <baise> anybody?
[02:38] <stazz> monkey89: (gentoo is the same OS you're currently using (GNU), but it's an other distro) :)
[02:39] <monkey89> stazz, ugh, terminology.
[02:39] <stazz> monkey89: what is this tool? I'm sure you could run it under ubuntu as well.
[02:39] <monkey89> stazz, its titled "catalyst", a set of scripts that you can use to generate a livecd with spec files.
[02:40] <monkey89> stazz, it may very well be able to, but I don't feel like going through the hassle of getting it to work when a chroot should work fine
[02:40] <stazz> monkey89: well I think catalyst would require portage too.. so chroot would be the only option for that..
[02:40] <stazz> monkey89: but you propably could do a similar trick with debootstrap
[02:40] <monkey89> stazz, actually... hehe, I think it doesn't need portage since it operates entirely in a chroot
[02:41] <stazz> monkey89: but portage is the gentoo method of fetching packages, I'm sure catalyst depends on it. I mean, you need to have portage in the chrooted environment
[02:42] <monkey89> stazz, thats my point, I'm actually pretty sure you don't - it builds everything off of older stages, and the older stages contain portage
[02:42] <stazz> monkey89: the stages don't have a portage snapshot in them
[02:42] <stazz> monkey89: but you're in no way interested in creating a debian livecd?
[02:42] <monkey89> stazz, no, but catalyst uses another one and untars it before starting the build
[02:43] <monkey89> and I have a lot of specs to refer to w/ gentoo and catalyst is pretty nice with the automatic system, its something I've been working with for some time
[02:43] <stazz> monkey89: ok.
[02:43] <monkey89> thanks for the help though :)
[02:43] <stazz> monkey89: the gentoo livecd's are a bit clumsy imo.. I'd really really go for a debian-based :)
[02:43] <Skid> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables. <-- how can I fix this please?
[02:43] <monkey89> stazz, clumsy in what sense?  considering there have been no official X livecds, im not sure where you get that  judgement
[02:44] <stazz> monkey89: well.. just that with the official cd's there has been quite an insufficent amount of tools available with them. I've been living more happily with knoppix, for example.
[02:45] <stazz> monkey89: but of course, my judgement is based on a feeling more like :p
[02:45] <fgx> anyone here having problem with mtrr overlapping in /var/log/messages ?
[02:45] <monkey89> stazz, well of course, they aren't livecds as much as they are installcds... the point is, I'm making my own with whatever packages I want... its not based of anything, its from scratch
[02:45] <stazz> monkey89: ad all the hassle with compiling. building a debian based "from scratch" would be faster, quicker, nicer, cleaner and more tested
[02:45] <mseney> i have setup a webserver using ubuntu & apache at my house and once it was setup i took the keyboard, mouse, and monitor off it and packed it away for space reasons. I can ssh into it for stuff but i would like to be able to somehow export a gedit session over to my main box so i can easily edit the html. how can i do this. i haven't figured out how to login to gnome remotely.
[02:46] <mseney> also i have webmin setup
[02:46] <monkey89> stazz, it may be faster, but 1) I have absolutely no idea where to get started, as opposed to the months of experience i have with catalyst, and 2) probably not cleaner, since without USE flags I'll be getting a ton of extra dependencies I don't need
[02:46] <will> how do i add a kernel module option, to example snd-intel8x0
[02:46] <stazz> monkey89: ah well. true.  http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/LiveCD.html
[02:46] <monkey89> will, in /etc/modprobe.d, make a file named whatever yuo want and add options snd-intel8x0 blah=blah
[02:47] <monkey89> stazz, nothing about X referred to - thats the more difficult part, autologin as a regular user and setting up the desktop environment
[02:47] <will> monkey89: thanks!
[02:47] <stazz> monkey89: you'd propably need to try ddcxinfo-knoppix, it's available in portage.. it's the tool knoppix uses to autoprobe X settings
[02:48] <monkey89> stazz, I know... hehe, I really do know everything I need to do to create the livecd once I have catalyst available, I just dont have catalyst available :)
[02:48] <stazz> monkey89: hehe :)
[02:49] <stazz> monkey89: http://trumpetti.atm.tut.fi/gentoo/distfiles/squashfs2.1-r2.tar.gz
[02:49] <stazz> oops :p
[02:49] <monkey89> :)
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> any of you know a bit about via chipsets here?
[02:49] <stazz> monkey89: wait a sec..
[02:49] <monkey89> k
[02:49] <stazz> monkey89: http://trumpetti.atm.tut.fi/gentoo/distfiles/catalyst-1.1.1.tar.bz2
[02:49] <monkey89> stazz, I've been using gentoo for a long time, I know where everything is (and thats an old version of catalyst, too)
[02:50] <monkey89> but im having hard disk problems, and I have to go.  bye
[02:51] <buz> does anybody know how well ati based *mainboards* (NOT graphics cards) are supported in ubuntu?
[02:57] <zooko> Hm.  New patch of linux-source-2.6.10 is available...
[02:57] <zooko> darcs's cherry-picking would be perfect for the job of maintaining a distro kernel.
[02:57] <p|> why : nautilus applications:///
[02:57] <p|> doesn't work ?
[02:58] <zooko> If only we could get full kernel changeset information...
[02:58] <sj`> this new upgrade to hoary is going smoothly so far (:
[02:58] <zzyber> Hi! What does libz meen? I try to compile and install transcode but i need libz, i cant find out what libz is?
[02:58] <zooko> zzyber: there's a wonderful tool called "apt-file" that can tell you what package contains a certain file.
[02:58] <zooko> You could use apt-file and ask it what package contains libz.
[02:59] <zzyber> zooko, okey, im checking it out
[03:00] <corza> hey guys i was wondering what file extensions Totum supports
[03:01] <corza> eh?
[03:01] <zzyber> zooko, hmm, but how would the syntax be for that tool? apt-file search libz maybe or?
[03:01] <yourself> Hey, is there any one in here who knows about installing gkrellm2 on ubunut?
[03:01] <zooko> bingo
[03:01] <yourself> ubuntu*
[03:01] <zooko> but i think you need to run "apt-file update" first, and then wait a while as it builds a database
[03:03] <mz_> corza, you can play quicktime movs, avis, mpegs, oggs, or pretty much any imaginable media container formats (see www.ubuntuguide.org for instructions for how to install support for for example the windows media formats and such)
[03:03] <zzyber> zooko, yes that whas my problem, im updating now. Nice tool this apt-file.......never heard about it before
[03:03] <zooko> the apt tools deserve wider recognition
[03:03] <zooko> apt-file, apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, debfoster...
[03:03] <corza> mz_, thanks
[03:04] <zooko> I suppose synaptic and its ilk reproduce some of their functionality -- I haven't used synaptic enough to know.,
[03:04] <mz_> corza, the file extension really only tells you the sort of container format the file's using (e.g. avi or mov), beside which you need the codec that the file is using (e.g. mpeg4, divx...)
[03:05] <sj`> i prefer using apt over synaptic zooko
[03:06] <corza> yeah i dont know how to install them because when i do apt-get it doesnt work
[03:07] <mz_> corza, ubuntuguide.org should get you started
[03:07] <mz_> "Q: How to install Multimedia Codecs?"
[03:07] <corza> mz_: it doesnt help me much..
[03:08] <corza> yes
[03:08] <corza> i read it
[03:08] <mz_> and you added the repository ?
[03:08] <cuco> hi, where can i get an account for roseta? or can anyone commit some translations for me?
[03:08] <corza> yep
[03:08] <corza> universal
[03:08] <mz_> universe, i hope :) you'll need marillat too
[03:08] <mz_> and multiverse's useful to have as well
[03:09] <mz_> just basically do the cut'n'pasting as it's instructed
[03:09] <zzyber> i have a strange problem. I recently reinstalled my ubuntu and i did it as "expert" from lilo becouse i want to have iso 8859-1 instead of utf8. I did everything else as default and when i was asked to put aditional parameters to modules i said no. Now i belive my network is strange, when i do and apt-get something i see that i have half of my usual bandwith and im reciving...stop...reciving...stop all the time not as smooth as before, w
[03:09] <zzyber> hat can i do?
[03:09] <sj`> ok so i've upgraded to hoary and i'm going to reboot now, will i be required to do anything before i reboot? like add the a new entry to grub?
[03:11] <corza> mz_ it says w32codecs isnt available
[03:11] <WeirdAl> This installer is telling me that I need the Linux kernel installed. How do I install it?
[03:11] <WeirdAl> Sorry if that's me being thick.
[03:12] <mz_> corza, have you done apt-get update before trying to install it? you're best off with using synaptic anyhow if you're new to linux (instead of apt-get)
[03:13] <WeirdAl> No one knows how to install the Linux kernel?
[03:13] <WeirdAl> :-S
[03:13] <corza> mz_ ok
[03:16] <black_Nightmare> so..someone remind me if I'm wrong but a full installion (minus any apt-get downloads) is 1.8gb of hd space plus any swap partition?
[03:16] <bob2> yes
[03:16] <bob2> 600MB of that is cached .debs
[03:16] <black_Nightmare> hummm.... whats '.debs' for?
[03:16] <zooko> b
[03:16] <bob2> debian packages
[03:16] <bob2> they get copied from the cd to the disk so they install faster
[03:16] <black_Nightmare> oh
[03:17] <WeirdAl> Can I apt-get the kernel source, by any chance? That would be handy.
[03:17] <black_Nightmare> bob2..hmm is there an option to just leave packages to the disc instead?
[03:17] <black_Nightmare> just curious
[03:17] <WeirdAl> oh, I can!
[03:17] <httpdss> weirdal: yes
[03:17] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:18] <bob2> black_Nightmare: yeah
[03:18] <WeirdAl> k it's 6MB
[03:18] <bob2> can't remember if off the top of of my head
[03:18] <Lindo> can anyone help me with my mx510, ive just managed to run Enemy Territory but the mouse is lagging
[03:18] <black_Nightmare> bob2 hm so if I go with that option..its more likely 1.2gb+swap?
[03:18] <Lindo> its not at "top speed"
[03:18] <bob2> black_Nightmare: yes
[03:18] <black_Nightmare> maybe I just need one single 2.5gb hd for now....not going be as messy in case hehe :p
[03:19] <black_Nightmare> ty bob2
[03:19] <black_Nightmare> I'm just going to install it to like get the feel of it etc
[03:19] <black_Nightmare> then when I find a better hd or whatever and stable hoary is out..I'll set up a full fleedged system for daily tasks
[03:19] <black_Nightmare> you know what I'm saying? :p
[03:20] <CarlK> black_Nightmare - I have a fresh install - havn't even logged in yet
[03:20] <black_Nightmare> carlk lol ok :p
[03:20] <black_Nightmare> so a 2.5gb hd I have handly, cdrw drive, disk drive .. hm going be easy :p
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> brb
[03:21] <CarlK> ill check space, and if someowne will tell me what I can whack,... ah you are fine
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> carlk..I was starting to wonder if I would need to try stuff both of my 2.5gb hd in but now i see I probably can just use a single one
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> 1.2gb+swap and some free space for the dumb stuffs
[03:21] <black_Nightmare> brb now :)
[03:22] <CarlK> wouldn't hurt -
[03:22] <CarlK> I would use the 2nd one for /home
[03:22] <CarlK> and might as well use the install partitioner gizmo to setup fstab for you
[03:25] <CarlK> black_Nightmare - df -h shows 1.3G
[03:29] <struggler> Anyone familiar with how GNOME starts up after login?
[03:30] <dwa_> why are asking struggler ?
[03:30] <dwa_> +you
[03:31] <dwa_> you can check what's starting up by going to: system > preferences > sessions
[03:31] <struggler> Gnome is ok from workstation terminal but fails on a remote X terminal.  XFCE is fine both places
[03:32] <dwa_> mmm sorry but i've never used gnome on a remote x terminal
[03:33] <struggler> dwa: thanks anyway.  There has to be something specifically checking for local terminal, I would think.
[03:33] <black_Nightmare> I think I just figured one lesson I never thought of before...
[03:34] <black_Nightmare> always put the system parts in together first then LASTLY put the psu in..it seem much cleaner and easier without the psu in way
[03:34] <black_Nightmare> jeeze..why didn't I learn that
[03:34] <dmoyne> I have questions regarding use of common partition data between Mandrake and Ubuntu until I definitively migrate to Ubuntu ; who can help me ?
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> anyone want to rant at me or what??? lol :))
[03:35] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: yes.  you're fat :(
[03:36] <topyli> dmoyne: if you have questions, only you can help - by asking them :)
[03:36] <struggler> Anyone ever use GNOME from a remote X terminal or workstation with X?
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> lol
[03:37] <caffinated> black_Nightmare: heh, well, you ASKED for someone to say something...
[03:37] <caffinated> ;)
[03:37] <black_Nightmare> lol
[03:38] <nion_> does someone know the irc name of Scott James Remnant?
[03:39] <dmoyne> ok my user data with Mandrake has UID=1000 for "dmoyne" but  with Ubuntu UID=501 for "dmoyne" therefore can we say that is is not possible to use this data either with Mandrake or Ubuntu ?
[03:39] <corza> could someone help me install 'gmail notifier' its a .deb file
[03:40] <WeirdAl> :-\ I apt-got kernel-source-2.6.9 and it said it installed it, but the config is still telling me to install it.
[03:40] <onkarshinde> corza: dpkg --install filename.deb
[03:40] <onkarshinde> Why isn't firefox in the upgraded packages list of warty?
[03:40] <corza> thanks dude
[03:40] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: it should be, but Warty apps aren't upgraded. Hoary has the new apps.
[03:40] <WeirdAl> configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed for this driver
[03:40] <apokryphos> Warty will be getting security upgrades, and that's pretty much it.
[03:41] <loaofwar3> should i wait to upgrade to hoary of should i upgrade to the preview now?
[03:41] <WeirdAl> If I do apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.9, is that the Ubuntu kernel or the Linux kernel?
[03:42] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: whichver way you wish; you can do both.
[03:42] <apokryphos> *whichever
[03:42] <WeirdAl> loaofwar3: I installed the preview version yesterday and it's running at least as well as warty did ... it seems to be stable.
[03:43] <corza> onkarshinde: that didnt work for some reason
[03:43] <loaofwar3> so do u get any good upgrades in software?
[03:43] <onkarshinde> apokryphos: You are right. But Firefox has been updated for security reasons. So it must be in the security.ubuntu.com list.
[03:44] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: you can check which will be upgraded by typing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. It won't go through with it until you press "Y".
[03:44] <loaofwar3> ok thx
[03:44] <onkarshinde> WeirdAl: There is no such thing as Ubuntu kernel.
[03:44] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: then dist-upgrading warty will, I am quite sure, pull it in.
[03:44] <WeirdAl> OK ... Debian then? :-s
[03:44] <onkarshinde> apokryphos: No it doesn't show up in th elist.
[03:44] <WeirdAl> I'm just wondering quite what this configure wants me to install.
[03:45] <onkarshinde> corza: Can you tell the error message?
[03:45] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox. Does that say you have the latest version?
[03:45] <corza> i will just wait i'll do it again
[03:45] <jdub> WeirdAl: what are you trying to do?
[03:46] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to install lirc
[03:46] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: doing apt-get update first, of course.
[03:46] <WeirdAl> For my Irman.
[03:46] <onkarshinde> Yes.
[03:46] <onkarshinde> I did the same.
[03:46] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: and..well? Does it?
[03:46] <jdub> WeirdAl: lirc already exists in ubuntu
[03:46] <WeirdAl> Oh, it does?
[03:46] <mikewr> Just loaded 5.04 ppc and I don't have any sound on a gray G4.  Any Ideas?
[03:47] <WeirdAl> :-p I always make things harder on myself.
[03:47] <corza> onkarshinde: Package python2.3 not installed, Package 2.3-gtk2 not installed.. error not installed should i install these packages??
[03:47] <guillaumeh> hi
[03:47] <loaofwar3> im running amd64 and im wondering how could i install driver for my ati card?
[03:48] <loaofwar3> i have read somewhere that its not available in warty and only available in hoary?
[03:48] <loaofwar3> is that true?
[03:48] <zooko> smouche: everyone really ought to use BitTorrent.
[03:48] <onkarshinde> corza: I don't understand what gmail-notifier has to do with python.
[03:49] <corza> onkarshinde: nor do i
[03:49] <TheRocco> how do i connect to my wlan ap?
[03:49] <smouche> of course, zooko, but even so, I would think there'd be a heavy load with new users doing updates and so forth
[03:50] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: well, anyway, if that command doesn't update it then you have your answer -- it's not that ubuntu-base doesn't pull it in, it's that you have the latest available version for Warty.
[03:50] <zooko> Too bad BitTorrent and the like aren't dynamic and persistent enough to handle the .debs as well as the .ISOs.
[03:50] <mikewr> Just loaded 5.04 ppc and I don't have any sound on a gray G4.  Any Ideas?
[03:51] <mikewr> All updates have been done as well...
[03:51] <loaofwar3> i have an ati radeon 9600xt on amd64. can someone help me install drivers for it?
[03:51] <smouche> that would be interesting, zooko -- the engineering is beyond me, but I would think that some torrent like system for upgrades would be cool
[03:52] <loaofwar3> i am running warty
[03:52] <zooko> Yeah.  The engineering of such a system has proved to be slightly beyond me, so far.  ;-)
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> loaofwar3,  that a pci exprexx card?
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> express :p
[03:52] <zooko> Also doing TLS SMTP with my relay host on port 26 has proved to be beyond me so far.
[03:53] <smouche> zooko, would it be insane if people could share their apt-cache or whatever it is in a p2p thing, so folks would be upgrading from each other?
[03:53] <loaofwar3> no agp 8x
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> loaofwar3,  i had little if any issues getting my 9600pro working on my AMD system.. but it wasent 64bit
[03:53] <zooko> smouche: not insane.  It's a great idea.  We just don't quite have the right architecture developed yet.
[03:54] <loaofwar3> o..
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> loaofwar3,  was rather trivial really - lol. I was impressed.
[03:54] <smouche> zooko: fascinating!
[03:54] <WeirdAl> I don't think my 9600 is doing much either, Dr_Willis.
[03:54] <WeirdAl> either that, or the screensavers are too high-polygon for it.
[03:54] <WeirdAl> Which I doubt a little bit.
[03:54] <loaofwar3> how did u get the 9600 working?
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/   - i think has the exact stuff  you need to do.. if i recall it was basicially add the alternative sources to the apt stuff.. get the modules.. edit the X config.
[03:55] <onkarshinde> apokryphos: I am running latest warty. Still there are no live bookmarks in FF, it shows version 0.93.
[03:55] <loaofwar3> it only has nvidia cards i think
[03:55] <loaofwar3> wheres the ati cards?
[03:55] <azad> hi
[03:56] <onkarshinde> azad: Are you an Indian?
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> well theres a Link to the 'binary driver howto' i think is what i found eventually
[03:56] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: well, your answer then is that they haven't updated the app in Warty.
[03:56] <azad> no onkarshinde
[03:56] <azad> how can i watch my kernel-config?
[03:56] <loaofwar3> wheres that link?
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> i just googled for it >:P
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> lol
[03:57] <loaofwar3> Note: Currently, ATI Drivers for AMD64 are only available in Hoary
[03:57] <funk> zooko, wouldn't that P2P idea kinda be a security risk?  Getting critical updates from a P2P network..  Couldn't someone basically add nasty stuff to a package or re-write the code and change the MD5, etc and proliferate some kind of bug?
[03:57] <loaofwar3> crap!
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> loaofwar3,  there ya go.. :P
[03:57] <Stuttergart> I'm trying to create an SMB share with shares-admin. When I try to access that share from a Windows XP Pro workstation, I am prompted for a password for the share.
[03:57] <azad> i want to get my radeon 9700 pro running.. and found some things, but i need to check my kernel-config
[03:57] <loaofwar3> so i have to upgrade to hoary?
[03:57] <Stuttergart> I've entered the username and password of the user that created the share....no joy.
[03:58] <loaofwar3> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Stuttergart,  the samba stuff has its own set of passwords for each user.
[03:58] <Stuttergart> Even when using shares-admin, do I need to add a password to the smbpasswd file or tdb files or should shares-admin hook into the system passwords?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> theres some way to make the smb passwords default to the system  passwed.. but ive never done it that way
[03:59] <Stuttergart> Dr_Willis: Y, so even when using shares-admin I need to drop to a console and do an smbpasswd -a
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> i just use the samba tools to add a new password for each user.
[03:59] <WeirdAl> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:59] <WeirdAl>   xfree86-driver-fglrx: Depends: xserver-xfree86 (>= 4.3)
[03:59] <Stuttergart> ok
[03:59] <loaofwar3> i get an error wen i try to dist-upgrade
[03:59] <Stuttergart> just making sure that there wasn't a better "Ubuntu way" of handling this
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> Stuttergart,  actually I cheat and use webmin most of the time for my samba config needs. :P
[04:00] <loaofwar3> http://www.pastebin.com/262549
[04:00] <WeirdAl> Sorry!
[04:00] <WeirdAl> My bad, I was reading the warty
[04:00] <flyingsquirrel54> hey, do debian packages work on ubuntu?or do they have to be built specifically for ubuntu?
[04:00] <azad> flyingsquirrel54: i think they work
[04:00] <njs12345> flyingsquirrel54: in general, I think they do
[04:00] <WeirdAl> flyingsquirrel54: yes, they do.
[04:01] <loaofwar3> can anyone help? http://www.pastebin.com/262549
[04:01] <WeirdAl> But you might be able to find Ubuntu packages that won't work on just Debian
[04:01] <kain> hello there,I've managed to have an /mnt/storage with correct permissions, I tried to make a shortcut with "make link" of it on my desktop, but the entry is disabled
[04:01] <kain> someone knows why?
[04:01] <loaofwar3> error running dist-upgrade
[04:01] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, you shouldnt use debian packages without rebuild
[04:01] <kain> if i try to do it with some folders in /mnt/storage "make link" is enabled, but it gave me denied
[04:01] <WeirdAl> loaf: try running apt-get update
[04:02] <flyingsquirrel54> cool. I'm looking for a recent version of wine anyone know of a repository that has a recent version?
[04:02] <loaofwar3> i did
[04:02] <WeirdAl> squirrel
[04:02] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, the ubuntu wine packages are identically with te debian ones
[04:02] <kain> funny I can't put a shortcut on my gnome desktop..
[04:02] <onkarshinde> flyingsquirrel54:  It must be in Universe repository (AFAIK)
[04:02] <WeirdAl> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt binary/
[04:03] <WeirdAl> Add that to sources.list
[04:03] <WeirdAl> Although I've not tested that.
[04:03] <WeirdAl> But I'm about to :-)
[04:03] <funk> kain, use "Create Launcher" and in the comman window, put in your mount command.
[04:04] <flyingsquirrel54> the most recent version there is 200406??
[04:04] <kain> already done that, no result
[04:04] <kain> gnome keeps want to open the generated files with an editor
[04:04] <kain> no nautilus
[04:04] <funk> Use gksudo mount /blah/blah etc...  This will prompt for the root password..  needed for mount command
[04:04] <kain> funk, the drive is mounted
[04:04] <kain> and every permission is fine
[04:04] <loaofwar3> error doesnt go away. still cant do dist-upgrade. http://www.pastebin.com/262549
[04:04] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, 20041201
[04:04] <kain> just want to put a link on my desktop
[04:04] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, in ubuntu hoary
[04:05] <funk> oooooh
[04:05] <crypticreign> anyone using twinview?
[04:05] <kain> wondering why "make link" is disabled on those drivers, a friend of mine on debian tried that and went succesfully
[04:05] <kain> drives*
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> so someone tell me... is IrDA already included [or is just supported but you have to download] ?
[04:05] <crypticreign> i get two display on x startup, but it shows the nvidia logo and the resolution is really small... and it just stays on the nvidia logo
[04:06] <ogra> black_Nightmare, its included in the modules....for software using it you''ll need universe
[04:06] <flyingsquirrel54> I would like 2005xxxxx
[04:06] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, not yet :-/
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> ogra...hm ty was wondering about being able to check that I had the IrDA circuit plugged and loaded
[04:06] <funk> kain, go in CI to /home/you/Desktop/
[04:06] <flyingsquirrel54> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/wine.html
[04:06] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, but we will include it soon
[04:07] <kain> I'm there, do you want to make a symlink?
[04:07] <funk> ln -s /share namefor folder
[04:07] <kain> ehe
[04:07] <funk> it worked for me
[04:07] <kain> funk, I know it, but my question was why make link doesn't work, and understand if it's a bug
[04:08] <funk> I don't know what "make link" is....    Never seen it
[04:08] <flyingsquirrel54> I'll have to try downloading the file and install manually with apt. never done that before
[04:08] <kain> funk, try right click on a folder
[04:08] <njs12345> flyingsquirrel54: sudo dpkg -i "<file>.deb"
[04:08] <kain> above "rename"
[04:08] <kain> I've it in italian, so, dunno if it's correct
[04:08] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, you shouldnt use debian packages right away in ubuntu... i'll make sure wine gets synced next week
[04:08] <funk> did you try launching nautilus as root??
[04:09] <kain> funk, no
[04:09] <funk> I dont' even have that option on most folders..  as if priv'd out..
[04:09] <kain> gosh
[04:09] <funk> try gksudo nautilus
[04:09] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, then you'll find them in universe
[04:09] <funk> then try to link the folder..
[04:09] <corza> Ooo 299 updates
[04:09] <kain> funk, that's really strange, I use my account to log in, if I right click an icone in home with nautilus I see cleraly a "make link" entry in menu
[04:09] <flyingsquirrel54> awsome. Why not use deb?
[04:09] <kain> and it works, but in my homedir
[04:10] <funk> Yes, I can too but not on my other folders....   The ones that I would actually want to link to....
[04:10] <kain> and that's it, a friend of mine tried it on debian sarge and works for him
[04:10] <kain> he's under a non root account
[04:10] <kain> same there
[04:10] <Stuttergart> Is there some kind of GUI thing-a-ma-bob in Hoary to allow a user to enable/disable daemons in runlevels?
[04:10] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, dependencys might be wrong, which will lead you to use debian repositoryxs, which again will lead to a broken system after some time due to the pulled in dependencys
[04:10] <kain> Stuttergart, rcconf
[04:11] <Stuttergart> kain: but nothing GNOME-ified?
[04:11] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, ubuntu packages are built against ubuntu package versions which do not always match the debian ones...
[04:11] <Stuttergart> I certainly can't find anything
[04:11] <kain> Stuttergart, I don't know, I was handy with rcconf
[04:11] <loaofwar3> hi im just wondering which is preferred ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:11] <funk> That's why I don't use GUI stuff too much.  ln -s /share/here name_for_folder  gets the job done.   If you're bug hunting, I'm not your man.
[04:11] <flyingsquirrel54> Thanks for letting me know. Everyone just got done telling me debian works fine.
[04:12] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: it depends on whether you like Gnome or KDE
[04:12] <kain> ok funk, thanks anyway
[04:12] <funk> np
[04:12] <crypticreign> hmm, so when I turn off NVIDIA logo in Xorg conf.. i just get two blank monitors with a mouse cursor
[04:12] <loaofwar3> which is better gnome or kde?
[04:12] <njs12345> loaofwar3: look at the screenshots on http://gnome.org and http://kde.org and decide which you like most ;)
[04:12] <kain> loaofwar3, just try for yourself
[04:12] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, it might, for the moment...but will cause breakage later
[04:12] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: it depends on which one you like better ;-)
[04:12] <loaofwar3> o ic
[04:12] <apokryphos> There is no objective "better" desktop environment.
[04:12] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks a good thing to know.
[04:12] <keyhack> Anyone get Composite working in xorg with the fglrx driver?
[04:12] <njs12345> apokryphos: yeah
[04:12] <loaofwar3> does one have more features than the other?
[04:12] <onkarshinde> loaofwar3: if you are new to linux then I would recommend GNOME
[04:13] <njs12345> keyhack: I have it working with Xephyr
[04:13] <keyhack> njs12345: What is Xephyr?
[04:13] <njs12345> keyhack: other than that, no, the drivers don't support it
[04:13] <njs12345> basically an X server that draws into a window
[04:13] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: for some things, yes. But neither do I think that one desktop environment is better suited to newbies, at all.
[04:13] <ogra> flyingsquirrel54, if you are missing something you dont find in either one, you cann also add it to the UniverseCandidates wiki pake :)
[04:13] <ogra> page even
[04:13] <keyhack> njs12345: ok...
[04:13] <crypticreign> anyone have TwinView working?
[04:14] <njs12345> keyhack: it's kind of involved to install it though :P
[04:14] <loaofwar3> ok which onehas more features.. it seems from screenshots its kde?
[04:14] <WeirdAl> :-)
[04:14] <keyhack> njs12345: What are the drawbacks?
[04:14] <njs12345> I think it might be slower
[04:14] <WeirdAl> Can someone tell me how to tell X Chat to put <> around nicknames?
[04:14] <njs12345> plus you need to jhbuild it
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  i  had it working  the other day I belive.. then had to use the 2nd monitor somewhere else. :P so not any more
[04:15] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: features for *what*? I think KDE has a lot more features, and actually I think this is one thing Gnome users would agree with me on. I've seen a lot of people complain that KDE has too many options and is thus "bloated". :)
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  i think thats in the settings somewhere.
[04:15] <WeirdAl> I thought so, but I can't find it.
[04:15] <WeirdAl> The settings seem to be lacking.
[04:15] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: ok.. i get two displays and i can move mouse cursor from one view to the next. but, it's just two blak screens really
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> i think xchat has been sort of removeing some options  lately. :P
[04:15] <loaofwar3> ok that answers my question
[04:15] <loaofwar3> so the new kunbuntu has kde 3.4 rite?
[04:15] <WeirdAl> I think I'll install bitchx
[04:16] <njs12345> keyhack: do you want help installing it?
[04:16] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: correct
[04:16] <keyhack> njs12345: I dont know enough about it
[04:16] <keyhack> I never even heard of it before
[04:16] <loaofwar3> ok thx
[04:16] <njs12345> well basically
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  what video card ya useing anyway?
[04:17] <njs12345> you get a window on your desktop (like a normal app)
[04:17] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: GeForce 4 mx4000
[04:17] <njs12345> inside the window, there is Composite and all the rest of the good stuff
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  useing the nvidia drivers?
[04:17] <funk> kain, just to let you know..  Make link to folder in my home directory works fine.  I don't have shares mounted in my home directory.   Can't Make Link as my normal user account to my shared drive.   Launched nautilus as root and I was able to make link fine to shared drive as root..   I'd say just give it a shot..
[04:17] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: yes
[04:17] <njs12345> and you can run apps inside the window (inside the other X server)
[04:17] <kain> funk, yes, I've opted for that way
[04:17] <funk> worked?
[04:18] <kain> yes, symlink always works.. almost ;)
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  i had to do some manual tweaking of my system to get it all working.. with the nvidia twinview is an alternative to the xcinerima . I BELIVE the default way to get twinview working some how set up 2 independant displays.
[04:18] <funk> lol, true..  but it worked via nautilus "make link" as long as I did it as root..
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  i eventually got annoyed with it and used the normal xcinerima features
[04:18] <kain> I shall try it
[04:18] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: ah
[04:18] <funk> cool...
[04:18] <kain> let me see
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  my main issue was the thing always defaulted the wrong monitor to be the default #1.. i wanted them switched and never could make it do it
[04:19] <zooko> Anybody know how to prevent firefox from popping to front when you open a new URL in it?
[04:19] <zooko> Or alternately how to poke it to back from the cmdline?  :-)
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> zooko,  put it on a seperate desktop :P
[04:20] <zooko> Heh heh heh.
[04:20] <zooko> What is this "desktop" thing you speak of.
[04:20] <zooko> I'm using ratpoison.  ;-)
[04:20] <njs12345> zooko: haha, really?
[04:20] <wasabi> I'm having this problem where it's taking a Long time for every program to open.
[04:20] <kain> ok funk, make link as root works
[04:20] <kain> I see it's pretty the same as ln -s
[04:21] <funk> yeah, it is
[04:21] <Skid> anyone notice with composite + xorg, that the shadows dissapear aftger a wihle?
[04:21] <kain> that's ok, thanks again funk
[04:21] <urbanfox[Rebel] > zooko, one option is to have it open in New Tab by default
[04:22] <funk> Not sure why a link as normal user has issues..   I'm guessing just because it's a networked folder..  Should be linkable the way you were trying but perhaps it's just a security thing..   Stop folks from mounting network shares..   Then again, if the folder is already mounted there by the system or root, it should work..
[04:22] <funk> maybe it is a bug.
[04:22] <zooko> njs12345: really.  I'm using Ubuntu Hoary with ratpoison, screen, and xterm as my desktop.  :-)
[04:22] <kain> that's strange anyway, /mnt/storage is a partition on my hd, and in ubuntu I'm the owner
[04:22] <black_Nightmare> any of you know how well ubuntu (hoary preview) supports midi?
[04:22] <zooko> urbanfox[Rebel] : thanks for the idea!  I'll investigate that.
[04:23] <funk> perhaps submit at ubuntu.org or check out gnome site
[04:23] <kain> maybe, as you told,it's a bug
[04:23] <urbanfox[Rebel] > zooko, that's what I do :)
[04:23] <njs12345> zooko: you're more l33t than me, that's all I can say ;)
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> especially if I CAN figure getting the isa sound card configured in
[04:23] <kain> I will ask some gnome people
[04:23] <zooko> Heh heh.  And I use XEmacs with VI emulation.  So I am looking at this IRC channel in VIPER/XEmacs/ratpoison.
[04:24] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I use Gnome, but I hate having Firefox on my "chat" desktop
[04:24] <zooko> I'm pretty pleased that hoary has worked out for this sort of desktop even though this is not the standard toolset that gets the most attention.
[04:24] <black_Nightmare> hm..no one have any idea I take it? :p
[04:24] <ogra> zooko, btw, metacity does pop-under by default since some time....
[04:24] <zooko> I hope it keeps up.
[04:24] <funk> cool kain..  Glad it's working though.
[04:24] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, only since 2.10 I thought?
[04:25] <ogra> yup
[04:25] <zooko> ogra: metacity arranges so that when you open a URL in firefox, it doesnt' pop firefox to front?  Hm.
[04:25] <ogra> zooko, it doesnt pop _any_ window in front anymore
[04:25] <zooko> ogra: nice!  That's good to hear.
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, one thing I don't like about the new Metacity... if I open, say, my home directory on another desktop
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > then I go back to another desktop
[04:26] <ogra> zooko, i found it quite annoying in the beginning ;) but now i'm used to it
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > and I open my home dir
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > instead of moving the window to my current desktop, it bounces me back
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > do you know how to fix this?
[04:26] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , thats a nautilus issue....
[04:26] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, nope, gaim does it to with it's buddy list notification icon
[04:27] <urbanfox[Rebel] > too*
[04:27] <zooko> sadly, configuring firefox to open new links in tabs doesn't keep it from popping to front.  :-()
[04:27] <wasabi> Hmmm. I can't change themes.
[04:27] <urbanfox[Rebel] > zooko, odd
[04:27] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , they both seem not to respect the new metacity functionallity yet, i'd fiel a bug against both of them :)
[04:28] <kickrocks> what is the correct way to apt-get install named | bind ?
[04:28] <urbanfox[Rebel] > "new metacity functionality?" any way i can re-enable the old behavior?
[04:28] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , nope, an app needs to add a timestamp to the popup code now, so the apps are obviously not doing it right yet
[04:29] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ... grr
[04:29] <urbanfox[Rebel] > how hard would that be to patch by hand? :D
[04:29] <Skid> anyone notice with composite + xorg, that the shadows dissapear aftger a wihle?
[04:29] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , no idea, i'm not familiar with the nautilus code
[04:29] <WeirdAl> Where do I look for the launchers that make up the apps menu?
[04:30] <ogra> Skid, because its only a proof of concept and not thought for daily usage ?
[04:30] <Skid> oh, really?
[04:30] <Skid> didn't know that heh
[04:30] <ogra> WeirdAl, ~/.local/share/applications
[04:30] <ogra> Skid, so it may have bugs you wouldnt expect
[04:30] <urbanfox[Rebel] > ogra, that directory doesn't work
[04:31] <Skid> that's a shame, looks well nice
[04:31] <ogra> urbanfox[Rebel] , it does, in hoary
[04:31] <flyingsquirrel54> you guy recommend any spam blockers?
[04:31] <Skid> spamassasin? :)
[04:31] <WeirdAl> He's right. I don't have a .local
[04:31] <ogra> WeirdAl, then add one ;)
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> slice the spam.. grill it slightly.. put on whole wheat bread with mayo and lettuce.
[04:31] <WeirdAl> So where are the ones that are already there?
[04:32] <LuckyStrike> hi is it safe to create a root user and then auto log in to gnome with a standard user?
[04:32] <black_Nightmare> lol willis :p
[04:32] <njs12345> LuckyStrike: why not use sudo?
[04:32] <ogra> WeirdAl, /usr/share/applications, but if you want modifications, just copy the .desktop file to the above dir, so you can modify it as user
[04:33] <WeirdAl> ah right, cheers
[04:33] <ogra> WeirdAl, files in tat dir override the ones in /usr...
[04:33] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: I got it to work.. but did you have that thing where if you move a window, it kind of erases itself?
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  not that i can recall.
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> crypticreign,  may be a card issue.
[04:34] <R> hello, i just installed Ubuntu Warty. I've got a problem with my sound card (Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 A udio Controller (rev 50)
[04:35] <mjt> . o O { flying self-erasing windows.. }
[04:35] <kickrocks> anyone running named on ubunut 5.0.4
[04:35] <urbanfox[Rebel] > R, what's the ish?
[04:35] <urbanfox[Rebel] > I don't have Warty or Hoary running on my desktop with the same card, but I may be able to help
[04:35] <mjt> R: it should Just Work (tm) with snd_via82xx module
[04:36] <idn> has anyone had any look installing gaim-guifications?
[04:36] <urbanfox[Rebel] > guifications?
[04:36] <idn> yeah
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> I dunno how it works at all but then any of you have any idea if it could be possible to download pictures from a camera via this kind of cable? http://www.pccables.com/87002.htm
[04:36] <R> i can't play sounds, i can't change the level settings... but i can hear my mic with gnomemeeting !
[04:36] <idn> its a plugin that lets you know who signs in or out
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> its old.. the pictures usually are like 100-170kb each btw I believe
[04:39] <R> any idea urbanfox[Rebel]  ?
[04:39] <WeirdAl> Hmm ... is Cedega in a repository?
[04:39] <black_Nightmare> hm...guess this friday isn't much fun for me then lol
[04:39] <ogra> WeirdAl, nope, not yet
[04:39] <ogra> WeirdAl, take the version from their page
[04:40] <kotatsu> I want software raid devices to come up on startup - what config file should I be looking at, /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf?
[04:40] <WeirdAl> Yep, I was gonna.
[04:40] <ogra> WeirdAl, should be compiled static, so it should work
[04:40] <LuckyStrike> njs12345, I dont really like the idea of sudo
[04:40] <kickrocks> Why can't I find named for ubuntu to install through apt-get ?
[04:40] <njs12345> LuckyStrike: why not?
[04:40] <WeirdAl> But repositories make it so much easier :-)
[04:41] <ogra> LuckyStrike, why, its muh safer
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> I like to have a root user and then my everyday normal user
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> how is it safer?
[04:41] <njs12345> you only need to remember one password
[04:41] <njs12345> not two
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> if they get my normal user they also have root user's password
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> remembeirng password is really not an issue :)
[04:41] <ogra> LuckyStrike, what would yu do if you would try to break in my system ?
[04:41] <zooko> This is a very common objection, I've noticed.
[04:41] <LuckyStrike> also i want my root password to be complicated more so than i use on a daily basis
[04:41] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: it's easy to enable root and disable user sudo access
[04:42] <njs12345> if you really don't like sudo, then `sudo passwd root`
[04:42] <zooko> There is a web page on ubuntu.com or somewhere explaining the rationale for no-root-only-sudo.
[04:42] <LuckyStrike> so root user is complicated, normal user is easier
[04:42] <LuckyStrike> yes i have done that
[04:42] <ogra> LuckyStrike, you shouldnt youse a unsafe PW for your user :-P
[04:42] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: someone who actually cares about the issue will have enough knowledge to set things up how they want
[04:42] <struggler> kotatsu: using Warty my are recognized at startup, I still can't figure out how to make them boot, though
[04:42] <tritium> zooko, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo is what you're referring to
[04:42] <LuckyStrike> ogra, itis not unsafe however it is not unsafe as my full unix style root password
[04:42] <kickrocks> no apt-get install named, apt-get install bind, apt-get install bind9 ?
[04:43] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: someone coming from a windows background doesn't generally even understand logins, let alone root =P a single user is just easier
[04:43] <LuckyStrike> ok
[04:43] <loaofwar3> hi i was wondering if i install hoary preview now, and then hoary comes out, all i need to do is just run apt-get upgrade right?
[04:43] <ogra> LuckyStrike, if i want to break in a linux system, what is the first thing i do ? i write a cript that tries to log in as user ad tries to crack the root pw....
[04:43] <ogra> err as root
[04:44] <ogra> if root is disabled i first have to find out the username
[04:44] <WeirdAl> Oh ... Cedega is commercial
[04:44] <loaofwar3> can someone help me?
[04:44] <ogra> so it adds a second threshold
[04:44] <LuckyStrike> yeah i see that
[04:44] <loaofwar3> i was wondering if i install hoary preview now, and then hoary comes out, all i need to do is just run apt-get upgrade?
[04:44] <zooko> Hm.  When I connect from postfix to my relayhost's port 465, nothing happens.  Later, if I restart postfix, then the relayhost's sendmail process says this:
[04:44] <zooko> Mar 25 07:43:51 zaphod sm-mta[7485] : STARTTLS=server, error: accept failed=0, SSL_error=5, timedout=0, errno=0
[04:44] <zooko> Mar 25 07:43:51 zaphod sm-mta[7485] : j2PFeGgc007485: blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca [24.215.95.202]  did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to TLSMTA
[04:45] <kotatsu> loaofwar3: dist-upgrade, but yeah pretty much
[04:45] <LuckyStrike> but if i only have one user as will be the case in most ubuntu systems then you know which user has root access anyway...
[04:45] <zooko> so it rather seems like my postfix is connecting , or beginning to connect, and then stalling indefinitely.
[04:45] <WeirdAl> Is there no free Cedega?
[04:45] <loaofwar3> ok thanks!
[04:45] <ogra> LuckyStrike, not having root teaches you not tzo have a root console open all the time, it prevents you from breaking thing accidentially by typing in the wrong window...
[04:45] <loaofwar3> cedega is not free
[04:45] <black_Nightmare> any of you know what a 'CSP chip' could be?
[04:45] <loaofwar3> you need to buy it
[04:46] <ogra> LuckyStrike, but you still have to guess the username first
[04:46] <WeirdAl> Bugger.
[04:46] <loaofwar3> or u can download it illegally
[04:46] <WeirdAl> heh... which is akin to just using Windows.
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> there is the CVS version of Cedega  - however its missing some features i belive
[04:46] <LuckyStrike> first issue is about discipline though, one should only su to root when doing something specific then exit after command is done
[04:46] <WeirdAl> What sort of features, Dr_Willis?
[04:46] <ogra> LuckyStrike, same goes for sudo ;)
[04:46] <kotatsu> the main problem I see with default sudo access is that tty_tickets doesn't protect against multiple programs launched on your desktop
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  stuff for cd copy protection verification i do belive
[04:47] <WeirdAl> Oh.
[04:47] <kotatsu> but I suppose that only matters if someone has physical access already, in which case the game is over
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  not sure what else.. i got the official comercial cedega.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> and really - i dont find that it works vrey well. :(
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> sadly
[04:47] <WeirdAl> How much does commercial Cedega cost?
[04:47] <WeirdAl> Oh, it doesnt?
[04:47] <ogra> kotatsu, init=/bin/bash ;)
[04:47] <WeirdAl> Well I'll keep my Windows boot until it does then.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> $5 a month fee.. 3 Mo Min.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  totally depends on what you want to run.
[04:48] <WeirdAl> Several things.
[04:48] <kotatsu> ogra: yup, if someone has access to your PC encryption is the only thing that can stop them
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> some games work well.. some dont work at all.
[04:48] <WeirdAl> Probably Kal Online mainly.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> ive had decent luck with Utilities and non-game tools.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> Never heard of "Kal" :P
[04:48] <WeirdAl> It's a free MMORPG
[04:48] <WeirdAl> But it's only on Windows.
[04:48] <LuckyStrike> ogra: that is a fair point
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  its highly possible that will work with the normal "wine" stuff then
[04:49] <R> mjt : lsmod returns snd_via82xx
[04:49] <ogra> kotatsu, yep
[04:49] <WeirdAl> Oh right? I installed wine already :-)
[04:49] <WeirdAl> I'll try it.... somehow.
[04:50] <WeirdAl> I hope it doesn't use the registry.
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> I was get an error when i gedit something in ubuntu
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> (gedit:10490): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:50] <black_Nightmare> ok here's a question related to ubuntu itself if anyone is happy lol: is agp+pci video setup usually a bios or os support issue?
[04:50] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: trying to edit as root?
[04:50] <LuckyStrike> yep
[04:50] <kotatsu> LuckyStrike: gotta use sudo or open up your display to access by others
[04:51] <zooko> okay, packet sniffing tells me that my postfix is not doing *anything* except opening the TCP connection.
[04:51] <zooko> Argh.
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  Hmm..  wine sets up its own virtual windows sytem/hard drive. and has its own regiestyr. it dosent need windows installed at all.
[04:51] <zooko> I suppose my postfix is waiting for the other side to initiate TLS or something?
[04:51] <ogra> LuckyStrike, gksudo gedit & should work
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> KalOnline does look Pretty. :P
[04:52] <WeirdAl> Doc: Yeah I know, but I have Kal installed on my Windows partition, and I've mounted that to /media/windows
[04:53] <WeirdAl> Although I suppose I could just reinstall it on the virtual Windows.
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  you dont wan to run it that way -  :P you want to have wine install it.
[04:53] <WeirdAl> OK
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> your windows partionis proberly ntfs isent it?
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Yeah, but AFAIK it doesn't write any data anyway.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> So theres no Monthly Fee for KalOnline.. you just have to fork over real cash for their ongame cash eh?
[04:54] <WeirdAl> well if you want to. You get cash from killing things too.
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Just not a lot.
[04:54] <zooko> I love it.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> No initial cash needed to start/test the game eh?
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Nope
[04:54] <WeirdAl> That's why I play it.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> worth playing for an hr or 3 then :P lol
[04:54] <WeirdAl> Yup
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> World of Warcraft is getting dull for me.
[04:55] <WeirdAl> Oh yeah, call of duty.
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> Guild Wars is nifty.
[04:55] <black_Nightmare> do any of you know if there's 'sane' for ubuntu?
[04:55] <WeirdAl> That's what I wanted to play.
[04:55] <zooko> I play Dungeon Crawl.
[04:55] <zooko> Also Dominions 2 <-- non-free
[04:55] <WeirdAl> Will wine go full-screen for 3D stuff?
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> Call of Duty - is offcially supported by Cedega I belive
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  it can.
[04:55] <WeirdAl> good enough.
[04:55] <crypticreign> Dr_Willis: its more like it isnt redrawing i think when i move a window
[04:55] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: as in scanning software? yes
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  check the Cedega forums
[04:56] <black_Nightmare> ty kotatsu - someone told me if I use gimp and sane I could probably get my old camera to work
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  wht video card you got anyway?
[04:56] <black_Nightmare> once again..ty :p
[04:56] <WeirdAl> 9600xt
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  ATI?
[04:56] <WeirdAl> Yeah
[04:56] <zooko> lamont: if you could give me a minute of help with postfix tls I would really appreciate it.
[04:56] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: sane is set up out of the box on ubuntu, but I'm not sure what it has to do with cameras
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> You are most likely Out of Luck then. :P
[04:56] <WeirdAl> Lame
[04:56] <WeirdAl> That's what I heard
[04:56] <WeirdAl> But
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> ive heard of MANY MANY issues with ati cards and cedega/wine
[04:57] <WeirdAl> I'm gonna get an A64 over the summer
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> kotatsu..well maybe its not actually sane but related to something that sane gives
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> you know what I'm saying?
[04:57] <WeirdAl> So I'll have to get a new card for PCIe
[04:57] <WeirdAl> So I'll make it nvidia
[04:57] <binux> hello can someone please tell me how to find what packages come with ubuntu? I can't find the link on the ubuntu site?
[04:57] <corza> 2am time to go to bed lol
[04:57] <WeirdAl> Assuming, that is, that nvidia is any better.
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> nvidia is better.
[04:57] <corza> time flys when ur configuring ubuntu
[04:58] <kotatsu> most people consider nvidia better
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> for Linux.. yes.. nvidia is better.
[04:58] <WeirdAl> You know, I think I'll just keep Windows around so I can play Direct 3D games for now.
[04:58] <kotatsu> that's not to say nvidia is "good"
[04:58] <kotatsu> but they're not quite so ass-tastic as ati
[04:58] <zooko> I consider ATI better because I prefer open source drivers.
[04:58] <WeirdAl> So basically, where it matters, Linux is crap?
[04:58] <romulo> please, anyone can tell me what are the dev packages for libGL?!
[04:58] <LuckyStrike> thats what windows is good for now games!
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  'where it matters' linux is Execeleeent.
[04:58] <kotatsu> WeirdAl: no - where it matters, ati is crap and nvidia is almost-crap ^_^
[04:58] <zooko> nvidia's proprietary drivers are better than ATI's proprietary drivers, which are better than the open source drivers for ATI, which are better than the open source drivers for nvidia.
[04:58] <WeirdAl> :-)
[04:58] <zooko> Or they were last time I checked.
[04:59] <zooko> So I prefer ATI video cards.
[04:59] <zooko> And nice old cheap ones, too.
[04:59] <njs12345>  romulo: sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev
[04:59] <WeirdAl> So it's ATI and nvidia's fault for not supporting Linux, you mean?
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl,  Bingo!
[04:59] <lamont> zooko: you're stumbling into the fact that I've never used tls, and therefore the package does nothing to help you...'
[04:59] <kotatsu> the open source drivers for ATI are excellent, assuming you have a pre-9500 card
[04:59] <ogra> WeirdAl, yop
[04:59] <WeirdAl> suits me :-)!
[04:59] <njs12345> you might also want to look at freeglut3-dev and xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:59] <WeirdAl> However, that doesn't help, so I'm gonna have to keep windows :-(
[04:59] <zooko> lamont: Okay.  No problem.  Surely it's some boneheaded config issue...
[04:59] <kotatsu> I would much prefer the FOSS drivers if they were able to offer acceleration
[04:59] <zooko> lamont: Although the fact that my postfix opens a TCP connection to the TLS-requiring server and then no data packets are transferred is pretty suspicious.
[05:00] <zooko> SYN, ACK, SYNACK, silence...
[05:00] <lamont> zooko: see the wishlist bug entries at bugs.debian.org/postfix-tls - there are at least 2 howto's there
[05:00] <black_Nightmare> hmm... 'ati rage' fully supportable under ubuntu I take it?
[05:00] <zooko> lamont: thanks.
[05:00] <caffinated> for such a powerful desktop, they didn't even pick sane colour choices
[05:00] <romulo> njs12345, thanks, my girlfriend just say she cant "ask" things here
[05:00] <romulo> njs12345, so i need to do that for her
[05:00] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: it would appear that it is
[05:01] <zooko> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=154207
[05:01] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: rage 128, anyway
[05:01] <zooko> ^--  Hm....  This looks like a match so far...
[05:01] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: anything older might require standard vesa drivers or something, dunno
[05:01] <black_Nightmare> kotatsu..hmm ty.  any idea about running agp and pci cards altogether when both are identical ati rage's (pci version has tv/out thou)
[05:01] <black_Nightmare> both are 8MB
[05:01] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: that should work, although every config is a little different
[05:02] <kotatsu> black_Nightmare: I've run agp and pci together (xinerama, etc.) in a handful of systems with mixed results
[05:02] <zooko> No, that bug applies only to an older version...
[05:02] <black_Nightmare> kotatsu..ty anyhow....both seem to have the same chipsets (even windows only needed one drivers to install both cards afair [r=remember heh] )
[05:02] <keffo> fabbione, 
[05:02] <keffo> Fackamato,
[05:03] <zooko> Wow, the last msg in that bug report says that glibc and cyrussaslwhatsit need to age for 10 days without getting critical bugs.
[05:03] <zooko> The msg was posted in Oct 2003 by lamont.  :-)
[05:04] <black_Nightmare> "3D RAGE PRO AGP" first card... "3D RAGE PRO PCI" second card ;)
[05:04] <zooko> I guess glibc and cyrussaslwhatsit have had a steady stream of critical bugs every 10 days ever since?  ;-)
[05:04] <black_Nightmare> brb..going stuff both cards in anyhow
[05:05] <woodywarty> Hi all
[05:05] <woodywarty> How do I install Qmail in Ubuntu ?
[05:05] <woodywarty> Amaranth, do you have tips to install and configure Qmail
[05:05] <woodywarty> bob2 are you there ?
[05:06] <LuckyStrike> ogra, that didn't work. What does the gksudo command do?
[05:06] <apokryphos> LuckyStrike: runs the program with root priveleges
[05:06] <ogra> LuckyStrike, its the sudo for gnome desktops....
[05:06] <black_Nightmare> ughh ok so I got almost the whole pc altogether now..just still have to locate a 2nd 128MB stick but that can be saved for later :p
[05:06] <woodywarty> ogra, can you help me configure Qmail
[05:06] <LuckyStrike> ok thanks
[05:07] <ogra> woodywarty, nope, never used it...
[05:07] <black_Nightmare> lol funny when I said that
[05:07] <LuckyStrike> yeah but in the terminal i was already as root with priviledges so made no difference.
[05:07] <woodywarty> Orga, how about Squid ?
[05:07] <ogra> LuckyStrike, use it fro a normal user terminal, the you wnt see the error message
[05:08] <lamont> zooko: yeah that lamont guy can be flaky on wishlist bugs. :-)
[05:08] <ogra> woodywarty, about 6 years ago, sorry
[05:08] <LuckyStrike> ahh ok
[05:10] <alican> Hi all
[05:11] <InitMass> soon hoary will be stable :D
[05:11] <punjab12> it isnt already?
[05:11] <ogra> nope
[05:11] <punjab12> hoary preview is stable!
[05:11] <black_Nightmare> lol
[05:11] <InitMass> "stable"
[05:11] <ogra> RC is next week
[05:11] <black_Nightmare> :p
[05:11] <punjab12> ogra the preview is awesome
[05:11] <punjab12> no issues whatsoever
[05:11] <hayden> when i try to make an audio cd with k3b it says the format is unsupported any ideas?
[05:11] <InitMass> ogra, will there be even one more RC before stable?
[05:11] <punjab12> so what will rc1 add over preview?  i have no bugs!
[05:12] <ogra> punjab12, great, but we still have enough opne bugs :)
[05:12] <ogra> InitMass, nope
[05:12] <ogra> punjab12, others have, you are one of the lucky guys ;)
[05:12] <InitMass> should i expect errors from programs trying to run the new X.org?
[05:13] <alican> I updated kernel and kubuntu didnt open X server - no screens found-  I reinstalled nvidia-glx an reconfigured but didnt open again
[05:13] <ogra> InitMass, nope, but xorg still has some small issues...
[05:13] <InitMass> ogra, tell me
[05:13] <punjab12> ogra only problem is that x.org wont take the higher refresh rates by default
[05:13] <punjab12> so you have to manually modify
[05:13] <punjab12> the x config file
[05:14] <corza> hey guys does anyone know if Guildwars is compatible??
[05:14] <ells> tritium: whats up mike
[05:14] <ogra> InitMass, screen size detection with widescreen panels on laptops with nvidia cards for example
[05:14] <tritium> ells, hi there.  Just working.  You?
[05:14] <ells> tritium: just got back from work for the morning
[05:14] <punjab12> other than that, superstable, no issues :)
[05:14] <corza> does anyone know if guildwars is compatible to Ubuntu?
[05:14] <ells> tritium: got the last class done, 3 A, and 1 B
[05:14] <corza> slash debian?
[05:14] <ogra> punjab12, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the better way....if you edit that file regard the warning in the heder
[05:15] <tritium> ells, cool.  How did the wlan stuff go?  How about migrating your home dir?  Still need some help?
[05:15] <ells> tritium: monday is the day
[05:15] <ells> tritium: almost there
[05:15] <tritium> ells, ok
[05:15] <ells> tritium: maybe you can help me tonight
[05:15] <InitMass> ogra, i have a widescreen laptop with ATI now. so i will get some problems?
[05:15] <tritium> ells, ok
[05:15] <kotatsu> InitMass: I have none
[05:15] <ells> tritium: hard to believe, next quarter, starting on the masters
[05:16] <ogra> InitMass, no idea, i have no ati around for testing, but i know the xorg guy tests ati extensively, so it might work
[05:16] <punjab12> when will a redesigned ubuntu website go up based on the contest results? :)
[05:16] <ogra> punjab12, short before release
[05:16] <tritium> ells, Way to go, man :)
[05:16] <InitMass> kotatsu, what graphic card and such do you have?
[05:16] <ells> tritium: trying be like you Mike
[05:16] <punjab12> ogra you mean before hoary release?
[05:16] <tritium> ells, ;)  Thanks
[05:16] <ogra> punjab12, yup
[05:16] <punjab12> ok kewl
[05:17] <kotatsu> InitMass: radeon mobility 9600, 1280x800 widescreen
[05:17] <ells> tritium: we got quite a bit of snow here
[05:17] <ogra> punjab12, or directly on the release day...
[05:17] <InitMass> kotatsu, hehe the same as me
[05:17] <punjab12> ogra the ubuntu website is too confusing now but the winners from the contest were really really nice :-)
[05:17] <kotatsu> InitMass: I use the ati driver because it works with compositing, but the ati driver works okay if you really need DRI
[05:17] <tritium> ells, wow.  Hey - AZ barely pulled it off.  I think the Illini are going to give them trouble.
[05:17] <ITAY> hi!
[05:17] <InitMass> kotatsu, do you have an inspiron 8600?
[05:17] <ogra> punjab12, i like the old one :)
[05:17] <ITAY> I want to install UBUNTU!
[05:17] <ells> tritium: I think it will be close
[05:17] <punjab12> ogra i dont :P but your changing it :)
[05:17] <ITAY> what's the loader of it?
[05:17] <tritium> ITAY, awesome :)
[05:17] <kotatsu> er, meant I use the open source driver but the ati proprietary works with DRI
[05:17] <ogra> punjab12, but thats a matter of personal taste ;)
[05:17] <punjab12> the new one is nice
[05:17] <keyhack> InitMass: I do
[05:17] <ITAY> lilo/grub?
[05:17] <Mellar> ITAY: good for you
[05:17] <kotatsu> InitMass: no, emachines 6805
[05:18] <ells> tritium: Stoudimire needs a good game
[05:18] <keyhack> InitMass: Running 1920x1200 here though
[05:18] <tritium> ells, we'll see...
[05:18] <ells> tritium: go Arrrrriiiiizzzzzoooonnnaaaa
[05:18] <ogra> punjab12, i'm not changing it :-P i dont work on th webdesign stuff :)
[05:18] <ITAY> what the loader of ubuntu? lilo/grub?
[05:18] <keyhack> It's annoying how the fglrx cannot work with composite, and ati works with composite but its extremely slow
[05:18] <kotatsu> InitMass: the open source ati driver works better with a framebuffer console too... ati proprietary driver has issues with screen corruption (although it doesn't lock up the computer like it did in the past)
[05:18] <zooko> Mar 25 08:18:23 zaphod imapd[7720] : Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca [24.215.95.202] 
[05:19] <tritium> ITAY, grub by default, but both are installable
[05:19] <ells> tritium: Bobby Knight got trounced
[05:19] <kotatsu> keyhack: it's fast if you're using a < 9500 ati card
[05:19] <Mellar> ITAY: grub
[05:19] <tritium> ells, 5 points
[05:19] <InitMass> kotatsu, for me the framerate is important
[05:19] <ITAY> good
[05:19] <keyhack> kotatsu: great, newer card slower results
[05:19] <kotatsu> keyhack: I have a 9100 in my workstation at work and I get accelerated xrender
[05:19] <zooko> I wonder what "user=???" indicates...
[05:19] <ogra> punjab12, luckily :)
[05:19] <ells> tritium: yeah, they just missed some critical shots
[05:19] <keyhack> kotatsu: regardless, it's annoying how it doesnt work properly
[05:19] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup... ati can't/won't release the specs necessary to write acceleration into the FOSS driver
[05:19] <corza> hey guys does anyone know if guildwars can be played on ubuntu?
[05:19] <InitMass> keyhack, which driver do you use for your xorg?
[05:20] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup, that's why I don't use the ati propriety driver... still too many issues
[05:20] <ITAY> and what's the different between ubuntu and kubuntu? just the window manager? is there KUbuntu 5.04-preview ?
[05:20] <keyhack> InitMass: fglrx
[05:20] <apokryphos> ITAY: there is. The difference is the default setup.
[05:20] <hayden> ITAY: yes, www.kubuntu.org.uk
[05:20] <keyhack> kotatsu: fglrx works great for me
[05:20] <Mellar> ITAY: only kde and gnome is the difference
[05:20] <kotatsu> using the FOSS radeon driver gives me a working framebuffer console and proper composite support (although alpha still doesn't work)
[05:20] <keyhack> kotatsu: minus the fact that composite won't work
[05:21] <kotatsu> keyhack: not for me... no proper compositing support and it doesn't play nice with a framebuffer console
[05:21] <InitMass> keyhack, and you are using hoary right?
[05:21] <keyhack> InitMass: the umm, prelease
[05:21] <kotatsu> keyhack: it's possible it's a problem with radeonfb, but since radeonfb works just fine with the FOSS ati driver I'm sure it's probably fglrx
[05:21] <ITAY> and there will be always new kubuntu when there is new version of ubuntu?
[05:21] <keyhack> kotatsu: I haven't seen any issues but the composite problem
[05:22] <kotatsu> keyhack: use radeonfb?
[05:22] <hayden> ITAY: most probably
[05:22] <keyhack> kotatsu: what?
[05:22] <corza> guys is there a way to change my mirror for Synaptic & Updates?
[05:22] <kotatsu> keyhack: do you use a framebuffer console?
[05:22] <keyhack> kotatsu: what is that
[05:22] <jdub> ITAY: not sure, it depends on what we decide to do wrt kde and gnome releases; this time around they've been very fortunately close
[05:22] <ogra> corza, there is a list withmirrors anywhere on the website
[05:23] <kotatsu> keyhack: ah, ok =) a framebuffer console allows you to run your text console in supported vesa modes
[05:23] <corza> ogra, which website ubuntu?
[05:23] <ogra> yup
[05:23] <ogra> which else ?
[05:23] <kotatsu> keyhack: in the case of radeonfb (the radeon framebuffer kernel module) you can also run in nonstandard modes... my text console behind X is 1280x800
[05:23] <corza> ogra: dunno lol
[05:23] <ogra> :)
[05:23] <corza> ogra: could u direct me into where abouts the mirrors are
[05:23] <keyhack> kotatsu: oh, sounds cool
[05:23] <kotatsu> keyhack: if I use fglrx, I can't switch to my console without getting screen corruption when I switch back to X... and it can only be solved by restarting the x server
[05:24] <ITAY> I want both of gnome and KDE. If I install ubuntu, can I download the new KDE (3.4)? or I need to install kubuntu to get the last KDE?
[05:24] <mebaran151> I want to get a new phone
[05:24] <InitMass> keyhack, ok good. then i know that it is working. do i have to make any changes in any config file or install any graphic stuff after an upgrade to hoary if i already use the fglrx driver in warty?
[05:24] <mebaran151> which cell phones sync with Evolution
[05:24] <vixus> Hey, Ubuntu is back to its full today. =)
[05:24] <kotatsu> keyhack: of course, it's still an improvement over the old fglrx, where switching down to a framebuffer console would lock up the computer
[05:24] <keyhack> kotatsu: well I didnt know you can make the text console outside X run at a different resolution
[05:24] <corza> ogra: its just that i want to change the mirror to my isp because faster speeds & unmetered content
[05:24] <hayden> what can i do while i go to sleep?
[05:24] <apokryphos> ITAY: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE. You can install Gnome from Kubuntu and you can install KDE from Ubuntu, yes.
[05:24] <keyhack> InitMass: beats me
[05:24] <Mellar> ITAY: you can use apt-get install to install kde
[05:24] <ogra> corza, http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[05:25] <keyhack> ITAY: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <ITAY> and what version is it?
[05:25] <kotatsu> keyhack: give it a try... if you're using the ubuntu stock kernel, just add "radeonfb" to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and dpkg-reconfigure (kernel version)
[05:25] <corza> ogra: my ISP has a mirror
[05:25] <kotatsu> keyhack: on reboot you'll get a high-res console
[05:25] <Mellar> ITAY: take a look at http://www.distrowatch.com/ubuntu
[05:25] <ogra> corza, the use it :)
[05:25] <ogra> then even
[05:25] <InitMass> keyhack, pardon?
[05:26] <corza> ogra: yes but i want to change my mirror from the default in synaptic to my isp's
[05:26] <corza> ogra: and also the updater
[05:26] <keyhack> InitMass: what?
[05:26] <ogra> corza, they use the same source, its enough to change it in synaptic...
[05:27] <corza> ogra: what do u mean?
[05:27] <apokryphos> ITAY: KDE is version 3.4 in Kubuntu
[05:27] <ogra> corza, just change the server name to the right one, the directory structure should be the same on every mirror
[05:27] <keyhack> kotatsu: dpkg-reconfigure linux-i386 ?
[05:27] <ITAY> I see that the version of KDE is 3.4.0rc, is it stable? can I upgrade to 4.3.0?
[05:27] <InitMass> keyhack, i didn't understand what you meant about "beat me". i would like to know the answer to my question please
[05:27] <keyhack> InitMass: Right, I dont know your friggin answer, hence "beats me"
[05:27] <keyhack> InitMass: I never upgraded, therefore, I have no experience with what you are asking
[05:27] <InitMass> keyhack, ok
[05:27] <apokryphos> ITAY: KDE is *3.4* in Kubuntu, not rc. KDE 4.3 is a far off dream.
[05:28] <hayden> what can i do with ubuntu while i go to bed?
[05:28] <Quinn_Storm> is it at all possible to install ubuntu using floppies to boot the system?
[05:28] <Mellar> ITAY: if the version number isnt in red, its stable
[05:28] <kotatsu> keyhack: nope, you'll have to reconfigure the package that actually contains the kernel... for me, it's "linux-image-2.6.10-5-686"
[05:28] <keyhack> kotatsu: even so, this does not help me get Composite working lol
[05:28] <apokryphos> hayden: upload things to others :P; leave active torrents.
[05:28] <kotatsu> keyhack: nope hehe
[05:28] <InitMass> keyhack, ok you started off with hoary already from the beginning
[05:28] <kotatsu> keyhack: only way to get compositing on ati right now is to use "radeon" or "ati" in your xorg.conf file
[05:29] <ITAY> so 4.3.0rc is stable. but can I upgrade it to 3.4.0?
[05:29] <hayden> what do i have to do to install azureus?
[05:29] <keyhack> kotatsu: and sacrafice OpenGL support, and still have slow UI
[05:29] <kotatsu> mmmm I can't wait for luminocity-like functionality in metacity
[05:29] <vixus> Rocking: http://www.dave-logan.com/animation/bloodmobile/
[05:29] <kotatsu> keyhack: you lose DRI but the ui isn't very slow
[05:29] <apokryphos> ITAY: what are you talking about? I just told you that it has 3.4, not RC. It never has.
[05:29] <corza> ogra: sorry how do i change the server?
[05:29] <kotatsu> keyhack you don't have acceleration is all
[05:29] <kotatsu> keyhack: 2d stuffs work fine
[05:29] <keyhack> kotatsu: Two other people here are work are using ATI as their driver, and Composite is extremely slow
[05:29] <InitMass> kotatsu, do i have to make any changes in any config file or install any graphic stuff after an upgrade to hoary if i already use the fglrx driver in warty?
[05:30] <keyhack> kotatsu: Let me change it, and see for myself, I'll bbiab
[05:30] <kotatsu> keyhack: depends
[05:30] <ogra> corza, in synaptic in the rpoitories dialog
[05:30] <ogra> ergh
[05:30] <keyhack> kotatsu: brb
[05:30] <ITAY> apokryphos, sorry I didn't so your message...
[05:30] <kotatsu> keyhack: xcompmgr is buggy and mainly a tech demo
[05:30] <ogra> repositories
[05:30] <ITAY> see*
[05:30] <liran> when ubuntu will be released ?
[05:30] <ITAY> Thank you all very much! I am going install ubuntu right now!!!
[05:30] <liran> i mean the new version
[05:31] <hayden> what do i have to do to install azureus?
[05:31] <ogra> liran, in about two weeks
[05:31] <kbrooks> Hey.
[05:31] <kbrooks> :)
[05:31] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, Im pretty sure its in the guide
[05:31] <apokryphos> hayden: you have to get it from their site. It's not in the repos.
[05:31] <hayden> yep
[05:31] <odie5533> hayden: just move the source files to whatever dir you want, cd to the dir, and type ./azureus
[05:31] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, I think it is, one second
[05:32] <Taleel> liran: April 6th: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[05:32] <zooko> So, once you open a TCP connection to a mail server, if both sides are expectig to do STARTTLS or some kind of TLS, the which side is supposed to make the first move after the TCP connection opens?
[05:32] <odie5533> I personally copied the azureus files to /usr/local/bin/azureus
[05:32] <kbrooks> i have a question. why are the ubuntu servers running SLOW
[05:32] <zooko> Because I've done a packet dump, and i have SYN, SYNACK, ACK, and then both my Ubuntu postfix client and the other side's FreeBSD sendmail server just sit there staring at each other instead of negotiating TLS and transferring my mail.
[05:32] <kotatsu> kbrooks: probably because they're under heavy load?
[05:33] <odie5533> Anyone here run KDE?
[05:33] <apokryphos> kbrooks: because many people are downloading, perhaps? Are you trying to download the ISO?
[05:33] <apokryphos> odie5533: right here :)
[05:33] <odie5533> apokryphos: why?
[05:33] <kbrooks> kotatsu: i want a fast server.
[05:33] <hawke> zooko: server says "I support starttls", client says "I want starttls", server starts tls....as far as I know.
[05:33] <kotatsu> kbrooks: if you're trying to get an ISO image try the torrent
[05:33] <ogra> odie5533, #kubuntu
[05:33] <kotatsu> kbrooks: you buying?
[05:33] <odie5533> I know, I am using gnome though
[05:33] <apokryphos> odie5533: Because it's excellent in so many ways.
[05:33] <kbrooks> kotatsu:  i bought
[05:33] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, you're going to love this, open yelp and take a look at the "Unofficial Ubuntu 4.10 Starter Guide" from the main page, under "addon applications" there is a howto for azureus.
[05:33] <corza> ogra: could u help me out a bit with filling it out?
[05:33] <hayden> ok thanks
[05:34] <kbrooks> and im apt-getting ubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <njs12345> HAHA
[05:34] <njs12345> this is totally offtopic but
[05:34] <njs12345> http://www.williamsburgcivicassociation.org/ArlingtonPediatricCenter.html
[05:34] <njs12345> is it me or is that a really bad logo
[05:34] <hawke> njs12345: yes
[05:34] <kbrooks> are there FTP servers?
[05:34] <hawke> hell yeah
[05:34] <hawke> njs12345: reading fark I take it?
[05:34] <sabmoc|zz> hayden, read the whole guide because you have to add special depos to your apt repository
[05:34] <njs12345> nope, I got it off a forum I visit hawke
[05:34] <ogra> corza, i dont know the server name...., try http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:35] <smouche> oh brother.  I did a dist-upgrade, and kubuntu spazzed out, reverting to some pre-kubuntu kde defaults, and messed up my kicker.
[05:35] <ogra> corza, just change archive.ubuntu.com to your mirror name
[05:35] <kotatsu> kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[05:35] <mroth> has anyone had this problem where thunderbird launchs with a blank panel?
[05:35] <kbrooks> kotatsu: dude.
[05:35] <corza> ogra: here is the server name http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/hoary/
[05:35] <apokryphos> smouche: a few of us are having that problem. I think they're working on it.
[05:35] <kbrooks> kotatsu: i am in irssi
[05:35] <smouche> removed the kmenu, removed my desktop pager, weird.
[05:35] <smouche> ah, thanks apokryphos
[05:35] <corza> would that be correct?
[05:36] <ogra> corza, ok, then use mirror.internode.on.net
[05:36] <kbrooks> and i dont have gpm installed. yet.
[05:36] <smouche> It was easy to fix, but a pain.
[05:36] <kotatsu> kbrooks: and? you asked about alternate sources for ubuntu
[05:36] <sabmoc> Anyone from Canada?
[05:36] <ogra> corza, and make sure it looks like in the second screenshot for all your enabled repositories
[05:36] <kbrooks> kotatsu: i certainly did, but i cant browse the net, yet.
[05:37] <kotatsu> kbrooks: write it down and look it up or something... adapt =P
[05:37] <zooko> Okay, after a few minutes, my Ubuntu postfix says:
[05:37] <zooko> Mar 25 12:29:29 localhost postfix/qmgr[19666] : EF9EC6B1: to=<amber@cs.toronto.edu>, relay=none, delay=766, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to mail.philzimmermann.com [63.193.97.10] : read timeout)
[05:37] <zooko> and the server -- FreeBSD sendmail says:
[05:37] <bronson_> Anyone know how I change the color in the workspace switcher?
[05:37] <zooko> Mar 25 08:29:28 zaphod sm-mta[7772] : STARTTLS=server, error: accept failed=0, SSL_error=5, timedout=0, errno=0
[05:37] <zooko> Mar 25 08:29:28 zaphod sm-mta[7772] : j2PGOTMr007772: blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca [24.215.95.202]  did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to TLSMTA
[05:37] <smouche> sabmoc, if I play my cards right, someday I may be able to say I'm from there.  Thinking of emigrating.  I love Montreal.
[05:37] <zooko> So both sides appear to be complaining that the other side didn't say anything.
[05:37] <kotatsu> kbrooks: could use lynx if you don't have a GUI available
[05:37] <bronson_> The rest of my desktop is a nice blue, but that thing is still the ugly Ubuntu brown...
[05:38] <kbrooks> kotatsu: ok, and how do i get a page down
[05:38] <bronson_> It really sticks out.
[05:38] <kotatsu> kbrooks: I don't follow
[05:38] <kbrooks> kotatsu: ...in lynx
[05:39] <kotatsu> kbrooks: lynx http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[05:39] <keyhack> back
[05:39] <kotatsu> then just scroll down and find a mirror near you and add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <keyhack> the radeonfb worked fine
[05:39] <keyhack> it had random characters in the beginning
[05:39] <zooko> Anybody know how to tell netcat ("nc") not to do a forward/reverse DNS lookup.
[05:39] <kotatsu> the mirrors might not be as up to date as the central repository though, depends on how often they rsync
[05:39] <zooko> Or if it does, not to error-out when it fails to match?
[05:39] <punjab12> zooko you know phil zimmerman?
[05:39] <keyhack> but after typing clear, it worked fine kotatsu
[05:40] <kbrooks> grabbing lynx atm
[05:40] <punjab12> zooko thats the phill zimmerman from MIT?
[05:40] <keyhack> kotatsu: however, using the generic "ati", all the composite, shadow, translucency stuff is rather slow
[05:40] <corza> ogra: Yeppi :)
[05:40] <ogra> :)
[05:40] <kotatsu> keyhack: transparency isn't accelerated (yet?) and the default shadow settings are pretty ridiculous
[05:40] <zooko> punjab12: Err, yeah, that's "THE" Phil Zimmermann.
[05:41] <kotatsu> keyhack: if you just run composite without any special effects it makes the UI feel very smooth, since you gain the xfixes/xdamage/xcomposite stuff
[05:41] <corza> ogra: Unmetered updates and packages :)
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko:  Good man....... fought the government complex and won :-)
[05:41] <kotatsu> keyhack: no more trails when you move windows over each other, etc.
[05:41] <zooko> ;-)
[05:41] <ogra> corza, have fun ;)
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko:  Unfortunately the government can crack even 4096 bit now easily too <grin>
[05:41] <corza> ogra: lol
[05:41] <zooko> Baloney.
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko its not baloney
[05:41] <punjab12> zooko they are on quantum encryption now
[05:41] <punjab12> for the highest levels of govt
[05:42] <punjab12> or beyond
[05:42] <kotatsu> punjab12: how do you definte "easily"?
[05:42] <zooko> If it were true, you would have no way of knowing that it were true.
[05:42] <punjab12> zooko:  phil won at the time period under the clinton admin
[05:42] <punjab12> zooko:  But I do
[05:42] <zooko> At best, it is just barely plausible.
[05:42] <mjr> it's certainly possible that it's not baloney, but we have no evidence of it if you don't count some tinfoil hats
[05:42] <punjab12> zooko:  I cant say how........
[05:42] <kotatsu> punjab12: unless there is a weakness in the whatever algorithm they're trying to break that they know and we don't, it's no easier for them than for anyone else
[05:43] <Slant> Does anyone know how to install an Ubuntu machine on a Dell w/ megaraid2?
[05:43] <keyhack> kotatsu: meh, disabling the shadow stuff did help some
[05:43] <zooko> The open-world academic folks are divided on whether large-scale quantum computation is even feasible...
[05:43] <punjab12> kotatsu:  well this is getting off topic ... i just saw phil zimmermann in the post :P
[05:43] <keyhack> kotatsu: but when is this supposed to get better?
[05:43] <vixus> Is there a text (php/css) editor (with syntax highlighting) that can work directly on files through ftp?
[05:43] <kotatsu> keyhack: when ATI releases specs for their 9500+ cards *shrug*
[05:43] <kotatsu> keyhack: maybe never
[05:43] <ogra> vixus, bluefish
[05:43] <Slant> That is, the Ubuntu Preview CD doesn't have megaraid 2. Is there some way that I could either create a megaraid2 driver including CD, or copy the driver over the network?
[05:43] <vixus> ogra: Bluefish can't do FTP.
[05:43] <ulas2> anyone having problem with firefox on flash sites..???
[05:44] <vixus> ulas2: No.
[05:44] <njs12345> kotatsu: or until some megagenius reverse engineers it.. (even less likely, and ATi releasing specs is pretty much impossible, so..) :P
[05:44] <ulas2> hmmm
[05:44] <ogra> vixus, sure it can, or are you using warty =
[05:44] <ogra> ?
[05:44] <kotatsu> keyhack: overall I find unaccelerated X with compositing to be more responsive than DRI with fglrx... but then, I don't use OpenGL for anything
[05:44] <ulas2> it just happened to me..
[05:44] <vixus> ulas2: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:44] <vixus> ogra: Bluefish 1.0 Hoary
[05:44] <kotatsu> keyhack: try these settings for composite and see if it's better
[05:44] <keyhack> kotatsu: not from this experience, having the translucency for X has definitely slowed it down
[05:44] <kotatsu> keyhack: $ xcompmgr -c -S -r 5 -o 0.8 -t -4 -l -8
[05:45] <vixus> ogra: "depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more" <-- huh?!
[05:45] <kotatsu> keyhack: yeah, there's no acceleration for that at all yet... don't use it
[05:45] <ogra> vixus, that one can do ftp afaik
[05:45] <kotatsu> keyhack: if you want full (experimental) acceleration for render, get an nvidia card
[05:45] <Ruby> guys... i need some help with ubi new installation... X wont start on ubuntu start, i get a command line, in whitch startX and Xinit wont give the result too... HELP? :(
[05:45] <ulas2> vixus, i got it... but th eproblem is it started to crash firefox after i made an update with synaptic... firefox became 1.0.2
[05:45] <vixus> ulas2: Oh, right. FF has been giving me ltos of problems on Ubuntu, anyhoo.
[05:45] <keyhack> kotatsu: Yeah, let me slap a nvidia card right into my laptop
[05:45] <kotatsu> keyhack: =)
[05:46] <ogra> vixus, make sure the gnome-vfs stuff is installed
[05:46] <kotatsu> keyhack: same situation for me
[05:46] <Madeye> guys how to see my hdd size?
[05:46] <keyhack> kotatsu: xcompmgr not found
[05:46] <kotatsu> keyhack: I'm mainly talking about using "bare" xcompmgr vs. DRI fglrx
[05:46] <vixus> ogra: How do I know if I have it installed?
[05:46] <ogra> Madeye, df -h in a terminal
[05:46] <ogra> vixus, synaptic
[05:46] <kbrooks> wow
[05:46] <kotatsu> keyhack: using compositing without any transparency or shadowing makes the UI more responsive
[05:46] <vixus> ogra: PAckage name?
[05:46] <kbrooks> 478 kb/s
[05:46] <Ruby> anyone? :'(
[05:47] <kbrooks> thats the fastest i have ever heard
[05:47] <keyhack> kotatsu: But no OpenGL support
[05:47] <ogra> vixus, just search for gnome-vfs
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: err... how were you getting shadows and transparency before then?
[05:47] <kbrooks> saw*
[05:47] <keyhack> kotatsu: using the KDE control center
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup, if you need OGL your only choice is fglrx
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: oh, didn't know you were using KDE
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: not sure what KDE offers as far as adjustments, but you might apt-get install xcompmgr
[05:47] <kotatsu> keyhack: it offers a few options you can tweak
[05:48] <kotatsu> keyhack: if KDE's window manager already has a compositing manager built in it will interfere though... not sure if you can turn it off or what
[05:48] <vixus> ogra: I get stuff like [gnome-vfs-extfs / gnome-vfs-extras / libgnome-vfs0...] 
[05:48] <keyhack> mbjones@debian:~$ xcompmgr -c -S -r 5 -o 0.8 -t -4 -l -8
[05:48] <keyhack> Another composite manager is already running
[05:48] <kotatsu> keyhack: yeah heh... is there an option to turn it off?
[05:48] <ogra> kotatsu, the QT toolit uses a weird hack to make trans and shadows ahppen, it has nothing to do with composite
[05:49] <keyhack> kotatsu: yeah, I did
[05:49] <deFrysk> new gnome splash looks great :)
[05:49] <kotatsu> ogra: not from what keyhack is saying...
[05:49] <kotatsu> ogra: "Another composite manager is already running"
[05:49] <ogra> vixus, yep, install it
[05:49] <ogra> kotatsu, probably something for #kubuntu
[05:49] <kotatsu> wish clearlooks 0.5 would make it into hoary T_T wonder what the holdup is
[05:49] <keyhack> kotatsu: ok, I give you that the menus appear to be more responsive
[05:50] <ogra> kotatsu, its in since half an hour ;)
[05:50] <vixus> ogra: Which ones?
[05:50] <kotatsu> keyhack: and no funky redraw artifacts =P
[05:50] <apokryphos> ogra: No, new kcontrol has extensions for composite stuff.
[05:50] <ogra> vixus, at least the libs
[05:50] <vixus> Aha.
[05:50] <vixus> thanks
[05:50] <keyhack> kotatsu: but I think I'll prob stick to fglrx
[05:50] <ogra> apokryphos, aha (my last kde desktop was 1.2) ;)
[05:50] <apokryphos> ogra: there's also "fake transparency" though that comes with settings of themes. That's not composite stuff.
[05:50] <apokryphos> :P
[05:50] <kotatsu> keyhack: entirely your choice =)
[05:51] <kotatsu> keyhack: I don't use openGL for anything so I have no need to use the fglrx driver
[05:51] <_hitriko> hey guys, i running kubuntu and i'm trying to install the offical bittorrent client and it's not working... when i try to oepn 'setup.py' it opens it in openoffice...
[05:51] <apokryphos> _hitriko: I never got it to work perfectly myself. I recommend Azureus.
[05:51] <vixus> ogra: Thank you
[05:51] <|QuaD-> _hitriko: chmod u+x setup.py && ./setup.py
[05:52] <ogra> vixus, youre welcome :)
[05:52] <|QuaD-> _hitriko: can i reccomend apt-get install bittornado
[05:52] <_hitriko> apokryphos: ok
[05:52] <kotatsu> keyhack: that, and I like having a working framebuffer console... but then most people probably don't use their console at all
[05:52] <_hitriko> |QuaD-: i don't know what apt-get is...
[05:53] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: i hate that program :)
[05:53] <|QuaD-> _hitriko: synnaptic?
[05:53] <apokryphos> |QuaD-: "bloated", yes I know. :P
[05:53] <ogra> _hitriko, use kynaptic, its the graphocal variant
[05:53] <keyhack> kotatsu: got mine working fine
[05:53] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: bloated, and incredibly slow
[05:53] <kotatsu> keyhack: with fglrx?
[05:53] <chickenman> hey every one
[05:53] <keyhack> kotatsu: but I also switched the driver in Xorg from fglrx to ati I think before I tested it out
[05:53] <ogra> _hitriko, should be in your menu
[05:53] <kotatsu> keyhack: my screen corrupts when I switch to a console then back
[05:53] <apokryphos> |QuaD-: slow starting up or slow with torrents?
[05:54] <kotatsu> keyhack: when I'm using fgrlx
[05:54] <chickenman> how do i install shockwave for mozilla firefox ?
[05:54] <keyhack> kotatsu: yeah, I can try it for you
[05:54] <_hitriko> ogra; where in my menu?
[05:54] <keyhack> kotatsu: because I dont think I'm sticking with the ati driver
[05:54] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: dl/ul speed is fine, slow as in the program runs slowly
[05:54] <kotatsu> keyhack: let me know how it goes hehe
[05:54] <ogra> _hitriko, dunno, i use gnome, ask in #kubuntu
[05:54] <keyhack> kotatsu: I eventually want to be able to play games in Linux (the only thing keeping me using a Windows partition)
[05:54] <kotatsu> keyhack: it's entirely possible it's some random quirk with my laptop... ati doesn't officially say that you can use fglrx with laptop chipsets
[05:54] <_hitriko> ogra: they sent me in here?
[05:55] <kotatsu> keyhack: ditto, but eventually != now =P
[05:55] <WeirdAl> According to this, ATI support Linux:
[05:55] <WeirdAl> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[05:55] <apokryphos> |QuaD-: what do you need the speed for? Slow because it's Java, but slowness has never bothered me, nor have I really noticed it.
[05:55] <chickenman> how do i install shockwave for mozilla firefox ? i need help :(
[05:55] <keyhack> kotatsu: well, when I get a game to install I will
[05:55] <kotatsu> keyhack: I figure by the time I can acceptably play games on linux, I'll be using OGL on my desktop anyway so that luminocity/metacity can do its thing
[05:55] <keyhack> kotatsu: I'm waiting to get Far Cry tomorrow
[05:55] <ogra> _hitriko, sorry, i have no idea where in your menu it is, but i know it belongs to kubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <kotatsu> keyhack: btw, nvidia is what you want to use for gaming in linux... ati performance is abysmal even with fglrx
[05:55] <|QuaD-> apokryphos: heh :) bittornado is such a beautiful client
[05:56] <kotatsu> apokryphos: slow because it's swt, not because it's java
[05:56] <apokryphos> _hitriko: what's the problem?
[05:56] <keyhack> kotatsu: then it looks like I have to keep Windows around then after all
[05:56] <ogra> apokryphos, do you know where kynaptic is in the menu ?
[05:56] <vixus> ogra: How do I open an FTP session in Bluetooth?
[05:56] <kotatsu> keyhack: yup. I keep a windows partition too, gaming just isn't at the level in linux that it is in windows yet
[05:56] <apokryphos> ogra: Oh, it's not. There's a bug report on that. Being put in soon.
[05:56] <jpizza> hi all
[05:56] <chickenman> can some one help me please how do i use shockwave in mozilla firefox ?
[05:56] <apokryphos> ogra: he can just use Alt + F2
[05:57] <ogra> apokryphos, its already a dependency of kubuntu-desktop, so it miust be there
[05:57] <keyhack> kotatsu: let me reboot to try out the radeonfb
[05:57] <kotatsu> k
[05:57] <apokryphos> ogra: It's in Kubuntu, but it's not in the menu.
[05:57] <apokryphos> (yet)
[05:57] <netventure> radeonfb :O
[05:57] <airox> Hi, is there some piece of software that can retrieve the correct ID3 tags from an mp3 file ?
[05:57] <ogra> apokryphos, ah, maybe the .desktop file is missing or broken
[05:57] <netventure> hey guys, can you help me here too?
[05:57] <chickenman> :( i need help
[05:57] <apokryphos> ogra: Yup, precisely.
[05:57] <netventure> I'm trying to get RadeonFB working under unbuntu
[05:58] <ogra> vixus, must be in the help, i'm not using it...
[05:58] <vixus> oh.
[05:58] <vixus> ...
[05:58] <chickenman> HELP ME PLEASE!!
[05:58] <WeirdAl> Firefox won't install Flash automatically :-(
[05:58] <ogra> chickenman, stop jumpung, the ground is thin and here are 400 ppl in the room....
[05:58] <deFrysk> chickenman, caps , caps
[05:58] <apokryphos> chickenman: asking for help is useless unless we know the problem.
[05:59] <airox> chickenman, calm down.
[05:59] <WeirdAl> Like a headless chicken
[05:59] <chickenman> i can't install shockwave player in mozilla firefox :|
[05:59] <Slant> Does anyone know how to install an Ubuntu machine on a Dell w/ megaraid2?
[05:59] <Slant> That is, the Ubuntu Preview CD doesn't have megaraid 2. Is there some way that I could either create a megaraid2 driver including CD, or copy the driver over the network?
[05:59] <Rebroad> anyone hnow how to use swat please?
[05:59] <vixus> WeirdAl: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:59] <ogra> chickenman, enable multiverse and install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:59] <Albacker> guys is there any way to write into my windows partition ? [its nfts and I cant write in it] .
[05:59] <WeirdAl> thanks vix
[05:59] <vixus> ogra: There is no bluefish help.
[05:59] <punkrockguy318> chickenman, crossover office is required for shockwave.. but flash works fine
[05:59] <ogra> Albacker, nope
[05:59] <apokryphos> Albacker: No way, nope.
[05:59] <chickenman> i need shockwave not flash i got flash
[06:00] <ogra> punkrockguy318, what ??
[06:00] <chickenman> :\
[06:00] <ogra> punkrockguy318, ah, sorry, missed the difference
[06:00] <punkrockguy318> shockwave != flash
[06:00] <ogra> vixus, hmm, it should be....
[06:00] <chickenman> :/ well i can't run shockwave things put flash is ok
[06:00] <ogra> punkrockguy318, yup
[06:01] <punkrockguy318> Is there anyway to install nvidia-glx 6.111 for hoary?
[06:01] <WeirdAl> the Firefox plugin page says there's no Shockwave for Linux
[06:01] <chickenman> :o
[06:01] <ogra> chickenman, ask macromedia, they dont offer shockwave for linux
[06:01] <chickenman> damn!!
[06:01] <punkrockguy318> WeirdAl, you can emulate it through crossover office... but nothing natively
[06:01] <WeirdAl> that's OK, I don't use it.
[06:01] <WeirdAl> I was just informing chicken.
[06:02] <Amesius> Where do I go in 5.04 Live to setup my dsl connection?  TIA
[06:02] <airox> So is there some free idv3 tag library ?
[06:02] <punjab12> i heard ubuntu adds some backdoors for the us government :-) (kidding)
[06:02] <ogra> vixus, i'd suspect the "open url" dialog should do it
[06:03] <punkrockguy318> airox, yes... try libtag
[06:03] <ogra> Amesius, sudo pppoeconf
[06:03] <airox> punkrockguy318, ok.
[06:03] <punjab12> anyone here know alot about uwb (ultrawideband)
[06:03] <vixus> ogra: No, just crashes.
[06:03] <vixus> :o
[06:03] <Amesius> Thanks airox!
[06:03] <ogra> vixus, you use "ftp://blah..." ?
[06:03] <vixus> yes
[06:04] <chickenman> punjab12 , nope :)
[06:04] <ogra> vixus, hmm, should work
[06:04] <vixus> ogra: Crashed again
[06:04] <airox> Amaranth, thank ogra for it.
[06:04] <punjab12> chickenman:  Heres my concept:  every home would have a uwb transceiver and communicate to each other thereby creating a non fiber wireless backbone + last mile pipe all in opensource model
[06:05] <punjab12> a community initiative
[06:05] <ogra> airox, got it...thanks
[06:05] <chickenman> punjab12 , ehhh what was that :/
[06:05] <punjab12> it would mean dirt cheap access, and the equipment is dirt cheap too
[06:05] <ITAY> I had problem while trying installing ubuntu
[06:05] <ogra> vixus, if it doesnt work after logout/in file a bug....
[06:06] <punjab12> chickenman:   FReeing us from communications providers :) kinda like a bittorrent for internet access itself :-)
[06:06] <chickenman> ITAY , what ?
[06:06] <vixus> ogra: Hmm, ok.
[06:06] <ITAY> first, it didnt succeed to set the dhcp
[06:06] <ITAY> this is not so bad
[06:06] <punjab12> chickenman its all theoretical tho......... :P
[06:06] <chickenman> ITAY , hmmm what type of modem do you have ?
[06:07] <ITAY> the bad thing is, it didnt secceed to install grub or lilo, and I need to install arch to recover it
[06:07] <punjab12> chickenman:  Cause someone can shut down their device or a device would break
[06:07] <punjab12> i mean self healing doubling up on devices may work
[06:07] <chickenman> ITAY , modem ?
[06:07] <punjab12> it needs to be tested in a lab environment
[06:07] <ITAY> chickenman, the live-cd succeeded to do that
[06:08] <ITAY> I have Speedtouch Alcatel
[06:08] <vixus> ogra: What the hey, it can't even open http://
[06:08] <chickenman> ITAY , do you have the ubuntu CD ?
[06:08] <punjab12> chickenman:  See i look at what google did for the search model with low cost pcs, etc...
[06:08] <ITAY> yes
[06:08] <chickenman> ITAY , ok do you have a dialup modem ?
[06:08] <airox> ITAY, http://speedtouch.sf.net
[06:08] <ogra> vixus, hmm, probably a vfs bug, can you open the url in nautilus and see the dir ?
[06:08] <ITAY> yes
[06:09] <punjab12> noone should be on dialup :-)
[06:09] <punjab12> we should have uwb worldwide
[06:09] <ITAY> I connect by adsl-setup/start
[06:09] <punjab12> 1 million transceivers by 2010 :)
[06:09] <punjab12> it can happen folks :)
[06:09] <chickenman> ITAY , get a nic card if you don't have one and a ethernet modem :)
[06:10] <ITAY> I have an  ethernet modem
[06:10] <ITAY> my mistake..
[06:10] <punjab12> free access too, you OWN the backbone
[06:10] <punjab12> your part :)
[06:10] <superted_> are there 0.0.8 ubuntu packages?
[06:10] <punjab12> aint life grand on the uwb highway :)
[06:10] <superted_> err
[06:10] <superted_> beagle 0.0.8
[06:10] <ITAY> all other distros that I used did succeed to connect to internet through dhcp
[06:10] <Amaranth> jdub was working on them, i think
[06:10] <chickenman> right do you have it pluged in to a nic card and all the details for it such as the DCHP server thing ?
[06:10] <ogra> superted_, on their way, not ready yet
[06:10] <airox> ITAY, dhclient eth0
[06:11] <airox> ITAY, Do that in a console.
[06:11] <ITAY> ok I will try it.
[06:11] <airox> ITAY, Then check if it connects.
[06:11] <punjab12> this isnt #uwb but,,,,,, where is the best place for me to find people to discuss my concept?
[06:11] <ITAY> but that not the big problem
[06:11] <punjab12> since i have big plans as i want to be the bittorrent of access itself
[06:11] <superted_> ogra: neat :) will they be in the repositories listed on the HoaryInstallGuide on the ubuntuwiki?
[06:11] <punjab12> well not me, everyone, all the people :)
[06:11] <ITAY> the big problem is that it didnt secceed to install grub or lilo, and I need to install arch to recover it
[06:12] <ITAY> succeed*
[06:12] <ITAY> needed*
[06:12] <punjab12> is there a place to discuss free broadband providers ? :)
[06:12] <ogra> superted_, dunno whats written there, but it will be in the default universe repo if its ready....no special tweaking needed
[06:12] <airox> punjab12, maybe, but not over here.
[06:12] <zooko> Okay!  I got a non-TLS-enabled relayhost and gave up on getting postfix-tls to talk to sendmail-tls for now.
[06:12] <zooko> Thankls for the help everyone.  l8r!
[06:12] <superted_> ogra: oh so the needed mono deps are there too?
[06:12] <chickenman> punjab12 , free broadband providers LOL
[06:13] <punjab12> chickenman:  No i mean
[06:13] <ogra> superted_, except amd64, yes
[06:13] <ITAY> what is the problem? why ubuntu can't install grub/lilo? what can I do?
[06:14] <superted_> ogra: ok, i don't mean to be a nag, but do you know aprox when they will come out?
[06:14] <djp> anyone know how to hear midi embedded sounds using firefox with mozplugger? do you need to install timidity?
[06:14] <chickenman> ITAY , bad CD ?
[06:14] <ogra> superted_, mono still needs a micro update, if thats in i think we'll see it hitting the archive.....
[06:15] <ITAY> chickenman, should I burn it again?
[06:15] <corza> ogra: hey if i was going to buy a new printer which brand is fully linux supported?
[06:15] <ogra> superted_, but at laset for release it will be in (max two weeks)
[06:15] <chickenman> yea and get a new cd for it not a cd-rw
[06:15] <adapt> oi
[06:15] <ogra> corza, i got a hp 3320 here, works out of the box...
[06:15] <superted_> ogra: there isn't beagle in universe now, right=
[06:15] <ITAY> ok
[06:16] <adapt> anyone used gnome-blog applet on hoary successfully?
[06:16] <ogra> superted_, yup, not yet
[06:16] <adapt> my crashes at startup
[06:16] <corza> ogra: yeah hp looks like it has some support there..
[06:18] <loaofwar3> hi i have just installed hoary and cant figure out how to get mp3s working
[06:19] <superted_> loaofwar3: gstreamer-mad
[06:19] <Chipzz> loaofwar3: use google please, it's in the wiki
[06:19] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: The Wiki is your friend :). www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:19] <odie5533> I am concerned about the number of packets being sent out of my computer... why are there so many when I have nothing running?
[06:19] <loaofwar3> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-mad
[06:19] <apokryphos> loaofwar3: check the article; in Hoary it's gstreamer0.8-mad I believe
[06:19] <superted_> loaofwar3: the wiki has all answers :)
[06:20] <hitriko> i just tryed to install the Java 5.0 of thing i need it also opend up in open office... and open office just crashed on me now...
[06:20] <loaofwar3> ok
[06:21] <jack__> hi
[06:21] <jack__> I cant use sudo or su anymore!
[06:21] <ogra> loaofwar3, http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:22] <jack__> when i use sudo, it tells me "sudo must be setuid"
[06:22] <jack__> and when i use su, i entered the correct password, but it's always "authentication failed"
[06:22] <jack__> I cant' do anything now!
[06:22] <jack__> plz help me
[06:23] <apokryphos> jack__: are you using an alternative user to the one you originally had with your ubuntu?
[06:23] <jack__> no, i'm not
[06:23] <jack__> I'm using the original account
[06:23] <odie5533> Anyone know why I am getting so many packet sends when all I have on is IRC and I filtered out IRC?
[06:23] <jack__> with reiserfs partitions
[06:23] <dwangoac> Also Jack, just out of complete curiosity, what happens when you type "sudo passwd" and set a new root password?  Does that allow SU to work, or do you still get the setuid error?
[06:24] <jack__> it says "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root."
[06:24] <dwangoac> D'oh :)
[06:24] <jack__> odd
[06:24] <ogra> jack__, how did you manage to get into this state?
[06:24] <jack__> does this have anything to do with /etc/fstab
[06:24] <dwangoac> Jack, I'm no Linux gugu, but you may try booting to single user mode and set a root password that way...
[06:25] <dwangoac> er, pardon, guru :)
[06:25] <ogra> jack__, i.e. what did you change ?
[06:25] <jack__> I don't know! The system rebooted by itself, when I unlocked it, and it became like taht
[06:25] <ogra> dwangoac, rather the opposite, lock root again....
[06:25] <jack__> How do I lock root again?
[06:25] <jack__> How does that help?
[06:26] <ogra> jack__, the system doesnt reboot itself, despit hardware errors
[06:26] <apokryphos> sudo passwd -l root will lock it
[06:26] <jack__> it  tells me the samething
[06:26] <apokryphos> Yeah, it will...
[06:27] <ogra> jack__, you must have done something to cause that....
[06:27] <apokryphos> jack__: refer to http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/troubleshooting.html
[06:27] <jack__> ogra, I came back after locking the screen, and the resolution was weird, but then I unlocked it
[06:27] <WeirdAl> ubuntuguide.org tells me to apt-get install libdvdcss2
[06:27] <WeirdAl> but apt-get tells me I can't have it.
[06:27] <jack__> pressed f2, and typed in xterm, to change the resolution
[06:27] <jack__> then it rebooted
[06:27] <jack__> thx
[06:27] <WeirdAl> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:27] <WeirdAl> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[06:27] <odie5533> Anyone know a good linux firewall?
[06:28] <ogra> jack__, what did you type there ?
[06:28] <jack__> i started xterm
[06:28] <jack__> then it rebooted
[06:28] <WeirdAl> anyone tell me what I should be doing for DVD playbackability?
[06:28] <jack__> I didn't type anything
[06:28] <chickenman> jack__, :\
[06:29] <jack__> ?
[06:29] <ogra> jack__, that really sounds like a HW issue, is your disk full or did the system overheat ? is it a desktop or a laptop ?
[06:29] <apokryphos> jack__: did you try what's recommended on that site?
[06:29] <apokryphos> it's the official FAQ
[06:29] <jack__> wait a sec
[06:30] <jack__> sudo: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/share/man/man8/sudo.8.gz
[06:30] <jack__> I don't think anything is wrong
[06:30] <jack__> I don't have a dot in my path
[06:30] <odie5533> Anyone know why I am getting so many packet sends?
[06:30] <jack__> not sure if it's mounted or not, though
[06:30] <ogra> jack__, anything WAS wrong if yur system rebooted without you telling it
[06:30] <apokryphos> jack__: well, something is wrong, clearly :P. What about the chmod?
[06:30] <chickenman> odie5533, dunno do you have any desktop app's running such as weather ?
[06:30] <jack__> chmod works
[06:31] <odie5533> None but this
[06:31] <odie5533> As far as I know
[06:31] <jack__> but i don't have permissions to do it
[06:31] <odie5533> how do I check?
[06:31] <jack__> wait,
[06:31] <ogra> jack__, lets find the reason and we can solve the prob
[06:31] <jack__> what does it mean by "mounted with nosuid"?
[06:32] <chickenman> odie5533, if you have a cable modem it sends D/S packets all the time
[06:32] <odie5533> Yes I do
[06:32] <jmki>               nosuid Do  not allow set-user-identifier or set-group-identifier
[06:32] <jmki>                      bits to take effect. (This seems safe,  but  is  in  fact
[06:32] <jmki>                      rather unsafe if you have suidperl(1) installed.)
[06:32] <odie5533> Why would I see those though?
[06:32] <xvlun> hi i recently upgraded my system to hoary and now im experiencing serious problems with dbus
[06:32] <jmki> jack__: aka, if you have program that's setuided root then the setuid doesn't take effect
[06:32] <jack__> I think I'll just reinstall.
[06:32] <xvlun> ** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use wi
[06:32] <xvlun> aborting...
[06:32] <chickenman> odie5533, my D/S light flashes all the time
[06:32] <jack__> ok
[06:33] <xvlun> when doing anything with evolution
[06:33] <jack__> jmki, how do I check if sudo is "nosuid"?
[06:33] <jack__> or, rather, how do I setuid root for sudo?
[06:34] <jack__> I think I did chmod 777 /usr/bin when I was trying to install vmware, that might be the problem..
[06:34] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall and do it all again :P
[06:34] <loaofwar3> i cant get gstreamer working still E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-mad
[06:34] <crimsun> loaofwar3: it's gstreamer0.8-mad, and it's in universe
[06:34] <jack__> what If i run into this kind of trouble again?
[06:34] <apokryphos> jack__: I think that could be damaging, yes.
[06:34] <jmki> jack__: might be. check ls -l /usr/bin/sudo, if you see something like -rwsr-xr-x then it's setuided
[06:35] <jack__> -rwxrwxrwx    1 root     root        85496 2004-11-17 13:10 /usr/bin/sudo
[06:35] <jack__> that's what it looks like
[06:35] <apokryphos> heh
[06:35] <jmki> jack__: uhhuh. that looks bad
[06:35] <jack__> cool
[06:35] <chickenman> jack__, yep
[06:35] <crimsun> -rwsr-xr-x  2 root root 95512 2005-03-02 16:10 /usr/bin/sudo*
[06:35] <jmki> jack__: the permissions in your /usr/bin seems to be quite fucked up.
[06:35] <jack__> ya
[06:35] <InitMass> anyone who has tried Jagged Alliance 2 without getting a segmentation fault?
[06:35] <crimsun> jack__: is /usr mounted nosuid?
[06:35] <Cred> Hello. Could somebody help me out with sound problem? I have NForce2 and SB Live. How can I make the system to use only SB Live?
[06:36] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall it will fix it
[06:36] <apokryphos> jmki: he chmodded 777 the whole directory. :)
[06:36] <jmki> apokryphos: lol :D
[06:36] <crimsun> Cred: sec.
[06:36] <jack__> ls -l /usr right?
[06:36] <jack__> to check  /usr?
[06:36] <crimsun> Cred: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:37] <jmki> jack__: to be safe you should do chmod 0755 /usr/bin/* and then add setuid bits to the programs that need them
[06:37] <crimsun> Cred: then reboot
[06:37] <crimsun> jack__: mount
[06:37] <ITAY> I burn the install cd again, but it still doesn't succeed to set the dhcp. I'm afraid to keep going with the installation, because maybe it will not succeed to install grub. I checked again, the live cd does succeed to set the dhcp. what can I do? what's the problem of the install cd?
[06:37] <jack__> how do i set sudo to  setuid root?
[06:37] <jmki> jack__: chmod 4755 sudo
[06:37] <Cred> crimsun, ok.. :)
[06:37] <chickenman> ITAY, carry on i went on with DHCP
[06:37] <jack__> i think i have the permissions, since i chmodded 777
[06:37] <jack__> ok thx
[06:37] <crimsun> jack__: join #flood, paste the output of mount
[06:38] <jack__> hold on
[06:38] <chickenman> ITAY, without**
[06:38] <jmki> jack__: but for god's sake, do chmod 0755 /usr/bin/* first.. you're system is quite unsafe at the moment
[06:38] <djp> for those interested... yes you do need to install timidity to enable midi playback in firefox!
[06:38] <ITAY> I don't want that again it will not install grub and I will need to install another distro to recover it....
[06:38] <jack__> chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/bin/sudo': Operation not permitted
[06:38] <jmki> jack__: any user could easily get root priviledges by overwriting something important in /usr/bin
[06:38] <jmki> jack__: do that as root.
[06:39] <chickenman> ITAY, it should install GRUB without DHCP
[06:39] <jack__> I cant' use su or sudo, that's the problem, jmki
[06:39] <ITAY> but if I had this problem with the first cd, why shouldn't it be in that cd too?
[06:39] <crimsun> jack__: please join #flood and paste the output of mount
[06:39] <apokryphos>  /usr/bin sudo needs to be chmodded 4111, it is suggested
[06:39] <jmki> jack__: and you can't login as root?
[06:39] <jack__> nope
[06:39] <chickenman> ITAY, probley an install error
[06:40] <ITAY> I can't use ubuntu if it doesn't install grub...
[06:40] <jack__> I don't understand how su doesn't work though
[06:40] <jmki> apokryphos: hmh yeah.. though debian here set it as 4755
[06:40] <chickenman> ITAY, boot up the cd in expert mode
[06:40] <smouche> I'm having a helluva problem with the Login Manager (kubuntu)
[06:40] <ITAY> how?
[06:40] <ITAY> and what should I do there?
[06:40] <smouche> It won't let me enter Administrator mode
[06:40] <jmki> jack__: su should work unless you did the whole chmod 777 thing on /bin as well
[06:40] <jmki> jack__: or the filesystem is mounted as nosuid
[06:41] <|QuaD-> smouche: /join #kubuntu
[06:41] <jmki> jack__: can't you login as root from console?
[06:41] <chickenman> ITAY, restart wait for cd to load then type expert then enter to boot
[06:41] <ITAY> what should I do there?
[06:41] <jack__> it works, but i entered the right password, and it alwasys says authentication failed
[06:41] <jack__> i don't have root account
[06:41] <jack__> i have 1 account, named "jack"
[06:41] <apokryphos> jack__: did you originally make one?
[06:41] <jack__> ya
[06:41] <chickenman> ITAY, install it in expert it fix's some problems
[06:41] <jack__> "jack"
[06:41] <jack__> and I use it daily
[06:42] <jmki> jack__: is reinstall an option?
[06:42] <apokryphos> jamesh: a root account, that is? You did sudo passwd
[06:42] <jack__> i'm using this account rite now
[06:42] <ITAY> ok I will do it. thanks!
[06:42] <apokryphos> jack__: a root account, that is? You did sudo passwd
[06:42] <jack__> prolly not, since I will attempt to install vmware as soon as possible
[06:42] <jack__> yes
[06:42] <crimsun> jack__: nope, I don't see anything wrong via your output from ,,mount''
[06:42] <smouche> jmki, the other pages in the Control Center let me enter Admin mode, and enter password.  With the Log In manager, it just shows me an intro page.
[06:42] <jack__> "sorry, sudo must be setuid root."
[06:43] <jack__> ok
[06:43] <smouche> oops, sorry jmki
[06:43] <jmki> smouche: np :)
[06:43] <kutucape> hi all
[06:43] <smouche> wrong person
[06:43] <jack__> wait a sec, can i fix it with the live cd?
[06:43] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall - make account with password - login - "sudo passwd" in terminal
[06:43] <jmki> jack__: you might, but it would be easier to just reinstall
[06:43] <jack__> like, can i boot from cd, then chmod all those files?
[06:43] <jack__> how?
[06:43] <jack__> i jsut have to chmod, rite?
[06:43] <kbrooks> jack__: no, you have to mount
[06:44] <jack__> i know how to mount
[06:44] <smouche> Can anyone running kde look at the Login Manager please, and click on Administrator Mode, to see what happens there
[06:44] <smouche> please
[06:44] <crypticreign> program windows seems to dissapear when i move them, bah.. moving windows is fine with Windows so i dont think its a hardware problem
[06:44] <jmki> jack__: well, the thing is that su and login from console should work despite what the permissions in /usr/bin are..
[06:44] <jack__> is it" mount /dev/hda1 -t reiserfs -o umask=0000"?
[06:44] <smouche> It's not letting me change my shutdown options
[06:44] <|QuaD-> smouche: you will have better luck in kubuntu
[06:44] <jack__> ok
[06:44] <jack__> how do i login from console?
[06:44] <|QuaD-> smouche: thats cuz you are using gdm not kdm
[06:44] <smouche> thank you |Quad.
[06:44] <jack__> it entres the gui
[06:44] <jack__> i have to change the init level ?
[06:45] <njs12345> jack__: Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2/F3/F4/F5/F6
[06:45] <jmki> jack__: if you're in X press ctrl+alt+F1.
[06:45] <dwangoac> smouche, I had to click on "Administrator mode" first.
[06:45] <jmki> jack__: that should bring you to text mode and present you with a login prompt
[06:45] <smouche> dwangoac, that's the problem
[06:45] <jack__> ok
[06:45] <jack__> thx
[06:45] <jmki> jack__: and if you can login as root you can then fix the permissions
[06:45] <jack__> i'll try
[06:45] <chickenman> jack__, reinstall much more easy
[06:45] <smouche> I click on it, and it just shows me an intro screen, it leaves the Login Manager
[06:45] <jack__> chickenman, i might screw up after the reinstall
[06:46] <jack__> i don't know why vmware doesn't install
[06:46] <jack__> that's why i chmodded the whole /usr/bin directory
[06:46] <jmki> but what did you think you were to accomplish with that?
[06:46] <chickenman> jack__, it's wasy i've done it loads of times just don't go typeing in silly commands till you can login as root
[06:46] <jack__> anyone here installed vmware on ubuntu before?
[06:46] <chickenman> easy*
[06:46] <jack__> well, jmki, it told me unable to copy file
[06:47] <jmki> jack__: but what does making every binary writable helps?
[06:47] <jack__> it tried to write to /usr/bin/
[06:47] <jack__> wait
[06:47] <Zugot> jack__, i'm running vmware on ubuntu right now..
[06:47] <jmki> jack__: and you were running the install as root?
[06:48] <jack__> wait
[06:48] <jack__> that was not it
[06:48] <jack__> ya, i was installing from root terminal
[06:48] <jack__> it said "Unable to copy the source file ./installer/services.sh to the destination file /etc/init.d/vmware."
[06:48] <kdp> is neone running gnome stickies?
[06:48] <jack__> Zugot, how did you fix that problem?
[06:48] <Zugot> sounds like a permission problem to me
[06:48] <Zugot> i just sudo su - before i started
[06:49] <loaofwar3> hi anyone know how to test if i have installed my graphics driver correctly?
[06:49] <jack__> strange, I used the root terminal
[06:49] <kbrooks> i dont like 2.0.8
[06:49] <jack__> it should be the same as sudo su.
[06:49] <Zugot> loaofwar3, can you see any video?
[06:49] <kbrooks> how can i upgrade
[06:49] <loaofwar3> what kind of video
[06:49] <chickenman> jack__, you using the ubuntu CD ?
[06:49] <jack__> Zugot, what version of vmware u running?
[06:49] <jack__> ya
[06:49] <loaofwar3> i tried tux racer and it is super slow
[06:49] <Zugot> latest 4.5
[06:50] <jack__> no
[06:50] <jack__> I;m running from hard drive
[06:50] <chickenman> jack__, use CD very easy to install
[06:50] <jack__> ok
[06:50] <jack__> brb
[06:50] <kdp> is there a way to force applications to not be "always on top"
[06:51] <loaofwar3> Zugot: how would i check if i installed my ati driver correctly. i am running hoary
[06:51] <kbrooks> Can someone please cat me the /etc/apt/sources.list? it cant use 3rd party repos, only ubuntu's.
[06:51] <Zugot> loaofwar3, did you follow the directions on the wiki?
[06:51] <mz_> loafofwar3 fglrxgears -info (or something like that)
[06:52] <loaofwar3> yes
[06:52] <kbrooks> in PM
[06:52] <kbrooks> thanks
[06:52] <loaofwar3> it doesnt say how to check if its installed correctly
[06:52] <mz_> if you still get mesa indirect as the renderer, then the kernel module's not working
[06:52] <superted_> how can i play avi's with totem?
[06:53] <Zugot> i get no sound in gnome
[06:53] <|QuaD-> superted_: are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
[06:53] <Zugot> its actually quote anoying
[06:53] <WeirdAl> Anyone know why Firefox sucks at preventing popups?
[06:53] <Zugot> WeirdAl, it doesn't... they just figured out a way to get around it
[06:53] <br0k3n> totem-xine is better
[06:53] <mz_> WeirdAl, it so doesn't though
[06:54] <LinuxLover> hello
[06:54] <superted_> |QuaD-: gstreamer, just installed all of the plugins
[06:54] <Zugot> ii  totem-xine     1.0.1-0ubuntu1
[06:54] <|QuaD-> superted_: try setting up totem-xine
[06:54] <Zugot> i have that one installed
[06:54] <LinuxLover> anyone good with installing pci cards?
[06:54] <superted_> |QuaD-: ok
[06:54] <Zugot> along with the mplayer win32 codecs
[06:54] <br0k3n>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats - for plays .........
[06:54] <mz_> superted_, avis with what codec?
[06:54] <loaofwar3> does anyone know hot to run the ati control panel?
[06:54] <chickenman> LinuxLover, me
[06:54] <loaofwar3> i have it installed but dont know how to run it
[06:54] <superted_> mz_: don't know, but it's not that important :)
[06:55] <flyingsquirrel54> anyone of good game system emulators? N64 would be great.
[06:55] <chickenman> LinuxLover, what you trying to install ?
[06:55] <LinuxLover> chickenman, I've used cardinfo, cardctl ident, and it identifies my card on socket 0, so now what's my next step?
[06:55] <LinuxLover> 3Com/US Robotics cellulart 56k pc card
[06:55] <LinuxLover> cellular*
[06:55] <chickenman> LinuxLover, hmmmmm
[06:55] <mz_> superted_, you at least need the ffmpeg plugin to gstreamer probably for most avis, but easiest is if you just install totem-xine and the w32codecs package
[06:55] <chickenman> LinuxLover, i dunno
[06:56] <superted_> mz_: i don't like totem-xine :)
[06:56] <LinuxLover> chickenman, http://www.saragossa.net/linux-tips/page.php?key=PCI+Modem+Install <-- look at that, and tell me if you think it'll work for me? it's short
[06:56] <superted_> mz_: for some reason i only like to have the feelgood technology installed :p
[06:56] <chickenman> LinuxLover, ok
[06:57] <jack__> argh!!!!!!
[06:57] <Zugot> why don't you like totem-xine?
[06:57] <jack__> login in from console doesn't solve the problem
[06:57] <jack__> i'll just reinstall
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> can i ask a stupid question?
[06:57] <jack__> Is it going to be easy to upgrade Hoary in the future?
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> i have a few, but the answers should be simple
[06:57] <apokryphos> jack__: I think that might be best. :)
[06:57] <apokryphos> jack__: as easy as can be imagined, yes.
[06:57] <mz_> superted_, well, the ffmpeg plugin to gstreamer should solve most of your problems with avis and movs
[06:58] <airox> UnbuntuBaby, offcourse.
[06:58] <jack__> Like, how easy would it be to upgrade  to a new release?
[06:58] <chickenman> LinuxLover, yes i think you should try that
[06:58] <UnbuntuBaby> airox: ive just installed Ubuntu on two laptops
[06:58] <jack__> just use synaptic?
[06:58] <airox> UnbuntuBaby, ok.
[06:58] <apokryphos> jack__: editing of one file and two commands easiness
[06:58] <jack__> ok
[06:58] <jack__> thx
[06:58] <UnbuntuBaby> a Compaq Presario 1200 with a PCMCIA Xircom network card
[06:58] <apokryphos> np
[06:58] <punjab12> just wondering if you had access to 1 gigabit internet speeds for free over the network
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  thats a wireless network card?
[06:58] <crypticreign> is there an apt source somewhere with the latest nvidia drivers?
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> ...and a Powermac G3 laptop Lomard 333Mhz with a built in network card,
[06:59] <punjab12> if people would bite on that :P
[06:59] <WeirdAl> How come the ways around Firefox's popup blockers still get blocked by Opera's, then?
[06:59] <punjab12> damn chicken vs egg,,,,,,,
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr-Willis: Its actually just a 10 base network card.
[06:59] <punjab12> if everyone had uwb, we could have a community network 1gpbs
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  thats a relief. :P
[06:59] <punjab12> problem is getting it done
[06:59] <Zugot> WeirdAl, the folks actually target firefox...  there was an article on slashdot about it
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> ...anyway my questioin was, i found a driver for the Xircom and its drivers (Hooray!)
[07:00] <punjab12> no more inet bills :)
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> but im that much of a newbie that I have nay idea of how to install this file
[07:00] <punjab12> exclusively will use ubuntu linux
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> its a file called xirc2ps_cs.c
[07:00] <Zugot> UnbuntuBaby, was it a windows driver?  search the ubuntu wiki for the ndiswrapper help page
[07:00] <punjab12> lol
[07:01] <Zugot> UnbuntuBaby, oh ... you'll want to build a kernel module
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> now this file with dot.c at the end of it...
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> huh??
[07:01] <dwangoac> OK, just to display my lack of comprehension, can someone answer this yes or no question?  Does ifconfig eth0 up cause eth0 to get an IP address from a DHCP server if available?
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> how do I buind this module??
[07:01] <michael> quick question to anyone running hoary- I tried to update this morning, and the update manager is hung while setting up yelp... is this just me?
[07:01] <akk> That's really unusual, to find just a bare .c file by itself with no other files.
[07:01] <UnbuntuBaby> buind=build
[07:01] <Keizer> <3 ubuntu
[07:01] <kbrooks> that is a C file.
[07:01] <punjab12> any opensource volunteers here? :)
[07:01] <akk> UnbuntuBaby, are you sure that that's the whole driver?
[07:01] <michael> should I kill the manager and retry the update?
[07:01] <punjab12> anyone good at web development?
[07:01] <WeirdAl> so the no-popups-in-Opera thing is the same as the no-viruses-for-Linux thing.
[07:01] <kbrooks> punjab12, why?
[07:02] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: sure as, lemme get you the link...
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  Most likely - the driver is allready in the kernel somewhere. and you just need to load the right module.
[07:02] <kbrooks> Dr_Willis, explain how!
[07:02] <akk> There are xircom drivers in the kernel, though I think in 2.6 I've had trouble getting my xircom to work.
[07:02] <mz_> is there anybody here who's using beagle?
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> akk,  is xircom a chipset or brand name?
[07:03] <akk> (mine is a pcmcia ethernet card, non cardbus, didn't hear what xircom UnbuntuBaby is trying to use)
[07:03] <urbanDruid> Can anyone tell me why I can't 'mount fileserver:/backups backups' from ubuntu client, but can from debian sarge server?
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis: ive gone to Computer >System COnfiguration > Device manager (simple enough) but I found that the PC card has Unknowndevice emblazoned next to it.
[07:03] <sj`> guys, i'm using 2.6.8.1-3-386 as my kernel, if i want to upgrade the kernel do i have to do a make menuconfig? Or can i work from the settings this kernel has?
[07:03] <Keizer> Ubuntu9000
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  you did tht under windows? or linux?
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: ill be posting that link soon, one sec...
[07:03] <crimsun> sj`: not satisfied with ubuntu-provided kernel?
[07:04] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_willis: did that Computer >System Config thing, under Linux, why?
[07:04] <njs12345> sj`: hoary is released in about 12 days and it has 2.6.10
[07:04] <akk> xirc2ps_cs.c sounds like the pcmcia driver, anyway.
[07:04] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: using this c file, what do I do now then? :(
[07:04] <zooko> FYI, I am about to try to install vmware 5 beta on ubuntu 64 bit on athlon64.  :-)
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  just wondering. :p from what i am googling.. we need to identify the card further.
[07:05] <sj`> crimsun: oh don't get me wrong, i am, but it's giving me wireless trouble.
[07:05] <UnbuntuBaby> okay, one sec, lemme get you the exact model...
[07:05] <akk> hoary's kernel has xircom_cb.ko and xircom_tulip_cb.ko but I don't think either of those drive my older pcmcia xircom card.
[07:05] <sj`> njs12345: i just upgraded to hoary but it didn't chage my kernel..
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: are you running warty or hoary?
[07:05] <sj`> just upgraded to hoary about 2 hours ago
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: did you reboot yet?
[07:05] <sj`> yeah
[07:05] <akurashy> is there a way to put bzflag sound to esd?
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: what cpu do you have?
[07:05] <sj`> 2.8 ghz p4
[07:05] <crimsun> sj`: HT-enabled or no?
[07:06] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis: Xircom CreditCard Ethernet Adapter IIps, model number CE2
[07:06] <sj`> no idea tbh
[07:06] <sj`> sorry ;/
[07:06] <crimsun> sj`: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  all righty. :P lets check NOW at this site..  http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS
[07:06] <UnbuntuBaby> having the driver then what do i do though? Im such a linux Newbie people! :P
[07:06] <dwangoac> Quick yes/no question: Does ifconfig eth0 up cause eth0 to obtain an IP address from a DHCP server?
[07:06] <michael> has anyone else had problems with yelp when updating today?
[07:06] <sj`> ok
[07:07] <sj`> will i have to change anything with grub?
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> Xircom CreditCard CE2, CE IIps, RE-10  - is on thta list..
[07:07] <crimsun> dwangoac: depends whether your interfaces file is configured to use dhcp
[07:07] <crimsun> sj`: nope, all done for you.
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> [xirc2ps_cs driver]  [x86,axp] 
[07:07] <jack__> another question
[07:07] <dualm> hello friends, anybody success full with X on AMD64 with via s3/unichrome graphics card
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> so the module name should be 'xirc2ps_cs'
[07:07] <michael> dwangoac: if ifconfig eth0 doesn't do it, then dhclient eth0 will
[07:07] <jack__> Can I install hoary over warty?
[07:07] <KriegGoD> how do i install a .deb package from a terminal?
[07:07] <crimsun> jack__: you'd dist-upgrade
[07:07] <jack__> And, can I keep my home directory?
[07:07] <volki> hello everybody
[07:08] <jack__> how do i do that?
[07:08] <sj`> crimsun: thanks alot man.
[07:08] <jack__> from the cd?
[07:08] <volki> i am a newbie in ubuntu
[07:08] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_WIllis, im a newy new newbie here, care to elaborate?
[07:08] <akk> Hmm, my xircom says CE3B-100BTX on the back
[07:08] <jack__> KriegGod: dpkg- i
[07:08] <jack__> * dpkg -i
[07:08] <crimsun> sj`: np
[07:08] <mjr> dwangoac, quick no
[07:08] <Lindo|afk> ok i have a problem, i cant change my resolution in gnome any more :/
[07:08] <volki> do u know how to install packages
[07:08] <Lindo|afk> iget this error
[07:08] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_WIllis, the module is listed, sure, sounds okay, now what do I do?
[07:08] <Lindo|afk> the X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> modprobe modulename
[07:09] <Lindo|afk> can anyone help ?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> is the normal thing to load the module if it exists
[07:09] <mjr> dwangoac, configure the interface to use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and say ifup eth0 and it will, or use the gui network setup tool
[07:09] <jack__> crimsun : do I do that dist-upgrade thing from the installation, or within my current system?
[07:09] <crimsun> jack__: running your current warty system
[07:10] <jack__> damn
[07:10] <jack__> ok
[07:10] <UnbuntuBaby> okay loading root termina, what is it i type again?
[07:10] <jack__> can I keep my home direcory while reinstalling?
[07:10] <sj`> crimsun: so i wait for these fo finish and i just reboot and it will be in the list on grub yeah?
[07:10] <sj`> s/fo/to/
[07:10] <zooko> Phewf, this is going to take some effort to acquire copies of all these 32-bit libs.
[07:10] <kain> latest hoary upgrades on gnome-panel etc broked up ubuntu human icon theme
[07:10] <kain> :|
[07:11] <kain> I no longer cannot see human icons
[07:11] <Skid> working ok here?
[07:11] <kain> especially on files
[07:11] <kain> no idea
[07:11] <kain> I reset everything but no luck
[07:11] <Skid> hmm
[07:11] <kain> also I see clearlooks have changed
[07:12] <kain> titlebar seems colored for 3d, before it was flat
[07:12] <kain> but that's ok
[07:12] <kain> It looks like nvidia theme
[07:12] <kain> but human icons are there, in theme switching
[07:12] <kain> but if I select them my files are without icon
[07:13] <michael> kain: do you have any additional themes/iconsets installed?
[07:13] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis: FATAL: Module xirc2pc_cs.c not found
[07:13] <kain> michael, I've removed everything to original state
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. .c ? there should be no .c
[07:13] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: the .c file isn't the module; it's part of the source code to produce the module.
[07:13] <InitMass> how do i mount a .mdf or .mds?
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> modprobe xirc2pc_cs
[07:14] <alterim> hello i'm new to ubuntu and i need some help!
[07:14] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: so how do I produce the module then? Im just trying to quickly scroll up to see if youve posted anything, seems to be more newbies than just me :(
[07:14] <akk> UnbuntuBaby, Dr_Willis, the only xircom modules I see on hoary are xircom_tulip_cb.ko and xircom_cb.ko
[07:14] <michael> kain: try reinstalling ubuntu-artwork
[07:14] <njs12345> alterim: what with? =)
[07:14] <kain> michael, ok
[07:14] <alterim> njs12345 thanks
[07:14] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: You could try modprobe xircom_cb, and if that doesn't work, modprobe xircom_tulip_cb
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> akk,  of course those may work.. could be the code he has is very old and not even riht any more
[07:15] <SeeleyUSMC> What packages do I need to get MP3 and DVD support in Hoary?  My MP3's from Windows don't play and my DVD's won't play either.
[07:15] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: BTW, I found those modules by doing "locate xircom".  It finds all files on your system that contain that string.
[07:15] <alterim> well, i have a dual boot xp/ubuntu machine here
[07:15] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: locate is a really useful program to know about.
[07:15] <njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: you need to enable the universe repos
[07:15] <njs12345> on second thoughts
[07:15] <njs12345> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:15] <alterim> and i'm trying to follow a guide on how to build a driver for my wireless lan card from source
[07:16] <alterim> i can only get xp online at this point, so i'm trying to get some source code tarball into linux filesystem
[07:16] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345, I have these repositories enabled: main restricted universe multiverse
[07:16] <alterim> i saved the tarball to a floppy from xp, but then linux says it doesn't know the filesystem of the floppy
[07:16] <Seveas> alterim, which card?
[07:17] <akk> Dr_Willis: My guess is that UnbuntuBaby's xircom is too old to work with those _cb drivers, though.
[07:17] <alterim> it's basically one with a Texas Instruments acx111 chipset
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> akk,  yep..
[07:17] <kain> michael, X restart, back soon
[07:17] <alterim> so i'm having to use the acx100.sourceforge project thing
[07:17] <Seveas> alterim, have you tried ndiswrapper?
[07:17] <njs12345> install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:17] <njs12345> and then they should play in rhythmbox
[07:17] <alterim> i have looked into ndiswrapper Seveas, but i like the idea of using the acx100 driver from sourceforge
[07:17] <michael> alterim: i was only able to get a card with that chipset running under ndiswrapper
[07:18] <Seveas> alterim, copying from floppy is done with mtools
[07:18] <michael> maybe due to my incompentence, but still, i got it to work with ndiswrapper
[07:18] <alterim> and some guy called Craig has wrote a superb guide, now if only i can get the tarball onto linux
[07:18] <Seveas> see the manpages for mdir, mcd  and mcopy
[07:18] <alterim> oh right
[07:18] <alterim> mtools
[07:18] <CB201> hi everyone
[07:18] <kain> michael, no luck
[07:18] <alterim> is there no way that linux can see files on an xp partition?
[07:18] <Seveas> alterim, of course there is
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  it can see them fine
[07:19] <Seveas> just mount the partitions
[07:19] <alterim> hmm
[07:19] <apokryphos> alterim: www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> and read them.. now WRITEING them - is not safe
[07:19] <kain> if I select ubuntu default theme, which is human, it doesn't select its icons anymore
[07:19] <alterim> well the ubuntu filesystem doesn't show them...
[07:19] <Seveas> alterim, you have to mount them first
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  they are not mounted then.
[07:19] <kain> If I select them manually it keeps not to work with files icons
[07:19] <Seveas> there's a guide to that on ubuntuguide.org alterim
[07:19] <CB201> I'm having some trouble configuring fluxbox in Ubuntu, can anyone help?
[07:20] <alterim> so it's possible for me to just save the tarball to the xp partition, and then install it, or rather copy it over to the linux partition, within linux?
[07:20] <CB201> I can't figure out how to access .xinitrc or .xsession
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> CB201,  just make them or edit them
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> fluxbox has its own . configs also i belive
[07:20] <alterim> because that would be easier still than using floppy
[07:20] <michael> kain: i was noticing a lot of inconsistencies with themes when i upgraded my box... eventually i ended up reinstalling from scratch. Sorry, can't think of anything else...
[07:21] <CB201> but where are they?  they were supposed to be installed to /home by default
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> CB201,  NO they are not.. they can exist there
[07:21] <CB201> ...how can I find them?
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> and if they are there - then the X scripts will use them over other scripts
[07:21] <CB201> (or make them)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> CB201,  just edit the files and make them.
[07:21] <kain> michael, ok, this problem with theme icons appeared with the very latest upgrades, I'm trying to find out what's wrong
[07:21] <kain> and eventually inform developers
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> sample .xinitrc (2 lines)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> xterm &
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> icewm
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> ---end- :P
[07:22] <michael> the only other thing I can think of is to make a new user account and see if the problem carries over
[07:22] <crypticreign> which kernel headers do i install with 2.6.10? i need to compile something that needs the kernel soure
[07:22] <crypticreign> source
[07:22] <kain> that's, will try it soon michael
[07:22] <kain> that's ok*
[07:22] <sj`> crimsun: it worked, thanks alot!
[07:23] <alterim> oh it seems that because my XP is on NTFS, i can only read only from linux
[07:23] <alterim> is this true?
[07:23] <crimsun> sj`: np
[07:23] <R_> hello, i've got a question about skype's installation described here : http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#skype  " $ nautilus applications:///Internet" returns (nautilus:8382): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:23] <R_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:23] <michael> alterim: yes, unless you use the captive-ntfs driver, which is unsafe
[07:23] <scizzo> crimsun: that depends
[07:23] <scizzo> crimsun: the real fact is that it is very unstable to write and so on to a NTFS partition
[07:24] <alterim> michael: thanks
[07:24] <scizzo> GAH!
[07:24] <scizzo> crimsun: sorry
[07:24] <scizzo> alterim: read what I said to crimsun
[07:24] <alterim> well i guess i want this one then: How to mount Windows partition (NTFS) on boot-up, and allow all users to read only?
[07:24] <michael> alterim: i use an "intermediary" fat32 partition that both windows and linux can read/write to
[07:24] <alterim> then i've got access to all my files from the xp partition, whenever i want them
[07:24] <michael> and yes that is the one you want
[07:25] <alterim> michael: that's a good idea
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> hmm. how big CAN a fat32 partition be anyway?
[07:25] <scizzo> alterim: fstab is used to mount thingys
[07:26] <scizzo> alterim: that is the best place to look
[07:26] <michael> alterim: the only other ways I can transfer data between windows and linux is a usb key, or CD-Rs
[07:26] <michael> but a fat32 partition is the most convenient
[07:26] <scizzo> alterim: also if you use google to search for info about NTFS and Linux you will find a page created for help and so on
[07:26] <cd1680> hi i have a huge problem with the ati driver
[07:27] <cd1680> i am running hoary and amd64
[07:27] <cd1680> i just installed the fglrx driver but then wen i boot i get a black screen
[07:27] <scizzo> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[07:27] <cd1680> nothing shows up
[07:27] <alterim> can i mount a windows partition from within the gui?
[07:27] <scizzo> alterim: look at that page
[07:27] <alterim> ok
[07:27] <michael> alterim: ANY form of writing to the ntfs partition is unsafe, as ntfs is closed-source (microsoft)
[07:28] <mjr> Dr_Willis, 2 terabytes
[07:28] <michael> i would strongly suggest ONLY read-only access
[07:28] <sj`> are there kernel headers for 2.6.10-5-686?
[07:28] <alterim> basically, i want to know the fastest way possible, for me to download a tarball in xp, and have it available when i boot into ubuntu
[07:28] <mjr> or was it 8
[07:28] <alterim> and once again i am getting told so many different ways (typical with linux!)
[07:28] <kain> michael, I've tried with another account, everything is fine. which directory can I delete to restore everything? .gnome2, .themes?
[07:28] <markus> What's universe and how do I use it to install mono?
[07:28] <michael> alterim: lol, just make the ntfs partition read-only
[07:29] <michael> that's sufficient
[07:29] <michael> do it via the ubuntuguide
[07:29] <cd1680> does anyone know what the problem is with fglrx driver?
[07:29] <alterim> make the ntfs partition read only?
[07:29] <michael> alterim: one sec, let me get youa link
[07:29] <michael> alterim: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[07:29] <alterim> i have two partitions on the only disk i have. ntfs with windows xp on it, and ext3 (spelling) with linux on it.
[07:30] <holotone> Well, I made it.
[07:30] <holotone> Dual boot and all!
[07:30] <mjr> alterim, yea, you should be able to read the tarball from the ntfs with linux
[07:30] <alterim> can i save the tarballs from within xp to the linux partition? or is that asking too much?
[07:30] <holotone> Posting from Ubuntu for the first time as we speak
[07:30] <mjr> alterim, since ntfs is read-only supported
[07:30] <UnbuntuBaby> Dr_Willis, akk: i went to System Tools > Terminal then i typed modprobe xircom_cb
[07:30] <UnbuntuBaby> I got the following:
[07:30] <michael> alterim: no, ext3 is not accessible from windows
[07:31] <alterim> ok mjr, and the quickest way to do this is?
[07:31] <alterim> or anyone...
[07:31] <falcon3> hi, my hotplug is crap
[07:31] <holotone> Hey, can anyone tell me how to what I need to type to "apt-get" (I think that's what it is) thunderbird?
[07:31] <falcon3> mozilla-thunderbird, holotone
[07:31] <michael> alterim: look at the link i gave you, follow the directions
[07:31] <mjr> alterim, mount -t ntfs /dev/yourntfsdrive /mnt and then just read the tar
[07:31] <alterim> is there a command in linux like 'maketheotherpartitionvisible'
[07:31] <scizzo> holotone: apt-cache search thunderbird
[07:31] <falcon3> apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[07:31] <UnbuntuBaby> Error inserting xircom_cb (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/xircom_cb.ko): Operation not permitted
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> UnbuntuBaby,  you need to do this as root.
[07:32] <falcon3> sudo, urbanfox[Rebel] 
[07:32] <UnbuntuBaby> is this because im not logged into root?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> with sudo
[07:32] <UnbuntuBaby> yeah i thought so...
[07:32] <holotone> fal: what's the full line I have to type, and where? (I'm totally new to linux)
[07:32] <zooko> "This program cannot tell for sure, but you may need to upgrade libc5 to glibc before you can run VMware Workstation."
[07:32] <falcon3> my ubuntu sticks on boot, when i ctrl-c it, shut it down again, pull the power cable and stick it back in, it works
[07:32] <alterim> well done mjr, you were the first person to tell me how to do it!
[07:32] <falcon3> anyone an idea?
[07:33] <michael> alterim: either editng the fstab, which will mount the partioin at boot, or mounting manually, per mjr's directions will work
[07:33] <wingsline> hello
[07:33] <sj`> are there kernel headers for 2.6.10-5-686 yet?
[07:33] <holotone> where and how do I run an apt-get?
[07:33] <UnbuntuBaby> herein lies a problem though, everytime ive tried to go to Applications > System Tools > Root terminal my computer acts like Root Terminal is gonna load, then it doesnt! Seems to be refusing to run (?!)
[07:33] <holotone> I'm totally new to Linux, and I just got into ubuntu for the first time.
[07:33] <falcon3> holotone: go read google, will ya !
[07:33] <wingsline> why some gnome apps in ubuntu hoary doesn't follow the theme ?
[07:33] <UnbuntuBaby> could i log onto root from plain terminal?
[07:33] <zooko> holotone: great!  Glad that you are trying it out.
[07:33] <falcon3> dont
[07:33] <falcon3> ubuntu is cheap
[07:34] <michael> sj`: yup, i'm using them
[07:34] <wingsline> (example: gnucash, gpgp)
[07:34] <falcon3> i have it though
[07:34] <alterim> one problem though
[07:34] <holotone> falcon3: Jesus, sorry, had this crazy idea in my head that this was a community, sorry to have bothered you.
[07:34] <michael> sj`: this is under hoary
[07:34] <SeanQ> holotone, welcome to linux
[07:34] <zooko> holotone: ubuntu comes with a GUI thingie that might be
[07:34] <holotone> Thanks, ya'll!
[07:34] <alterim> how do i save those instructions so thzat i have them when i boot into linux to use them in the first place!!
[07:34] <zooko> easier than the command-line version for you.
[07:34] <sj`> michael: hmm apt-get can't find htem for me, neither can synaptic
[07:34] <sj`> *them
[07:34] <alterim> cos remember i have no internet in linux
[07:34] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: I have that problem with a lot of the root tools (someone says it's fixed if you update; I haven't checked since I last updated).
[07:35] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: If you get a normal shell, you should be able to do sudo gnome-terminal to get a root terminal
[07:35] <punjab12> Community nationwide broadband peer to peer, 1 gigabit, bittorent unleashed to its full potential :0
[07:35] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: or sudo bash to get a root shell in that terminal
[07:35] <punjab12> no fee
[07:35] <xLobeznox> is there a problem in ubuntu wht k3b? i cant make a cd-a mp3 compilation, k3b tell me this:
[07:35] <xLobeznox> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[07:35] <michael> sj`: look for "linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686"
[07:35] <punjab12> dont you love it, ubuntu unleashed :)
[07:35] <sj`> ok
[07:36] <alterim> damn i will have to use pen and paper to write these instructions down; how ironic
[07:36] <sj`> ah thanks!
[07:36] <michael> no problem
[07:36] <punjab12> all ubuntu users will be the first to get it (and its no gimmick because i aint selling anything or asking for ANY personal info ) :P
[07:36] <sj`> i was looking for kernel-heads, doh ;/
[07:36] <sj`> *kernel-headers
[07:36] <sj`> hehe
[07:36] <punjab12> you just get your own device, and presto!
[07:36] <michael> lol
[07:37] <xLobeznox> did anybody read my problem with k3b?
[07:37] <punjab12> man this will rock
[07:37] <markus> how do I administer /etc/fstab? Only manually?
[07:37] <xLobeznox> I use ubuntu hoary
[07:37] <punjab12> ubuntu with gigabit
[07:37] <kkathman> good day all :)
[07:37] <punjab12> oops this aint bittorrent channel
[07:38] <mutunus> I am wanting to switch from Yellow Dog Linux (PPC) to Ubuntu... is the (Ubuntu PPC) version pretty stable?
[07:38] <punjab12> lol
[07:38] <michael> markus: yup, via terminal: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> mutunus,  seems decent to me  - on my imacdv
[07:38] <xLobeznox> mutunus, I use hoary ppc
[07:38] <xLobeznox> it is
[07:38] <kkathman> can someone help me with a samba issue, or do I need to go to another channel?
[07:38] <xLobeznox> why not? xD
[07:38] <alterim> michael, can you justr help me a moment
[07:38] <Branden> markus: su to root... then ... nano -w /etc/fstab
[07:38] <josue> what is a good cd ripper guys? sound juicer is too damn slow, rips at 1.5x
[07:38] <michael> alterim: sure thing
[07:38] <alterim> i am going to edit the fstab
[07:38] <markus> there is no package that I can dpkg-reconfigure on?
[07:39] <kkathman> alterim what desktop are you using? Gnome?
[07:39] <alterim> is there anything specific to my machine that i should need to know before i boot into linux and follow that guide
[07:39] <mutunus> dr_willis, then I'll be installing it shortly...
[07:39] <alterim> gnome yes
[07:39] <michael> alterim: go for it
[07:39] <crimsun> josue: is dma enabled?
[07:39] <michael> alterim: do you need a step-by-step from me?
[07:39] <kkathman> you might try using gedit
[07:39] <UnbuntuBaby> akk! i typed in modprobe xircom_cb ...
[07:39] <alterim> it says: Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of Windows partition (NTFS)
[07:39] <alterim> does that apply to my machine?
[07:39] <alterim> my C:drive is called VAIO
[07:39] <UnbuntuBaby> ...now what happened? all i got was a new line, no errors no nothing.
[07:39] <alterim> i don't know
[07:39] <kkathman> i.e. sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:39] <robl^> does anyone know if the nvidia(tm) drivers work under hoary/x.org?
[07:40] <arauzo> hi, is there any way in gnome standar desktop to add items to a menu?
[07:40] <alterim> i am trying to establish if i need to add machine specific stuff to that guide
[07:40] <michael> alterim: go to you root terminal
[07:40] <davix> i'm looking for an alternative browser, firefox is failing me repeatedly, any suggestions?
[07:40] <michael> alterim: type "fdisk -l"
[07:40] <alterim> making notes of this...
[07:40] <arauzo> davix: mozilla?
[07:40] <kkathman> davix - try Opera 7.54
[07:40] <davix> erm, mozilla or opera?
[07:40] <kkathman> its pretty performant under the desktops
[07:40] <davix> which is better?
[07:40] <michael> fdisk will tell you which devices have which filesystems
[07:40] <alterim> ok, that's to get the partition table right
[07:41] <michael> right
[07:41] <michael> look for the device with ntfs
[07:41] <alterim> ok
[07:41] <michael> and pop that in for the ntfs entry in your fstab
[07:41] <joshua__> Hey.  Am I spelling mallirat correctly?  I'm trying to find the information for it so that I can add it for w32codecs, but googling it doesn't find anything.
[07:41] <arauzo> mozilla is more similar to firefox but more stable
[07:41] <kkathman> davix: because regular mozilla is much more resource intensive, you might not get a bump in performance and the engines are the same
[07:41] <markus> How do I reconfigure my keyboard?
[07:41] <josue> crimsun, yes it is
[07:41] <davix> firefox is h-e-a-v-y
[07:42] <michael> joshua__: it's marillat
[07:42] <davix> looking for an easy-going browser
[07:42] <kkathman> and mozilla is heavier
[07:42] <zooko> I like galeon.
[07:42] <alterim> ok michael, and what is this variable that i am looking for in the partition table?
[07:42] <joshua__> OOps. Heheh.  Thanks, michael
[07:42] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: That means the module loaded.  Now try your card and see if it sees it.
[07:42] <kkathman> that was the purpose of having firefox
[07:42] <davix> then i will install opera
[07:42] <michael> you are look for the device name: i.e. /dev/hda1, or /dev/hda2, etc
[07:42] <alterim> am i looking for dev/mikescomputer or dev/boris or something
[07:42] <alterim> ?
[07:42] <kkathman> davix: you will probably need to do some depedency work
[07:42] <kyle_> no
[07:43] <davix> i'll dist-upgrade after
[07:43] <kkathman> but its only one thing
[07:43] <michael> have you printed out your partition table?
[07:43] <kyle_> device name
[07:43] <michael> using fdisk?
[07:43] <arauzo> sorry, is it possible to change menu items in Gnome from Ubuntu?? I'm starting to think it is not :-?
[07:43] <marko_> hi
[07:43] <alterim> no, i'm still in xp!
[07:43] <KriegGoD> can anyone help me? i've got a problem recording with my microphone
[07:43] <michael> haha
[07:43] <kyle_> arauzo, *checks*
[07:43] <michael> right, cuz of your net connection
[07:43] <alterim> indeed
[07:43] <kkathman> I would download the 7.54 from the opera site, tar it, then install, and it will tell you it needs a dependency...do an apt-get on that, and reinstall
[07:43] <alterim> that's why i want to know exactly what to do FIRST
[07:43] <michael> ok, it'll give you 7 columns
[07:44] <alterim> else i'll get pissed of having to keep switching
[07:44] <michael> the first is "device"
[07:44] <alterim> ok
[07:44] <michael> the last is "system"
[07:44] <davix> root@Lenna:/home/davix # apt-get install opera | Reading Package Lists... Done | Building Dependency Tree... Done | Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:44] <davix> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[07:44] <michael> look for the device that corresponds to the ntfs system
[07:44] <marko_> is there a programm under linux to build archives, which can be opened under windows?
[07:44] <kkathman> davix :   read what I just said
[07:44] <kkathman> I just did this recently
[07:44] <davix> oh
[07:44] <JDahl>  marko_, zip?
[07:44] <davix> ok
[07:44] <marko_> JDahl...just zip?
[07:45] <JDahl> marko_, yes, or tar
[07:45] <Jesterace> marko_: winrar will unzip tar.gz files and bz2 files
[07:45] <zooko> sweet.  vmware came up and it looks nice.
[07:45] <marko_> ok...I thank y'all very much...bye!
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: im still getting unknown device for that Xircom driver (?!)
[07:47] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: With both of those xircom modules loaded?  Then yeah, it sounds like ubuntu may not have support for the older cards (yours is an older one, right?0
[07:47] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: yes! very old, just a 10 base t, not 10/100
[07:47] <kkathman> does anyone know what the default name and password is for a standard Windows XP machine is? Samba keeps asking me for a name and pass and Its not responding to what I give it for my user login
[07:47] <xLobeznox> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[07:48] <xLobeznox> k3b in hoary is broken
[07:48] <UnbuntuBaby> wait a sec I have another PCMCIA networking card too
[07:48] <xLobeznox> is there a bugzilla for k3b?
[07:48] <InitMass> please name a good command line browser
[07:48] <kkathman> command line browser?
[07:48] <apokryphos> xLobeznox: there should be. Just go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <kkathman> do you mean  something you can use in a desktop/windows area?
[07:49] <InitMass> kkathman, like lynx, links, elinks ...
[07:49] <joshua__> Hahha.  I went to comment out universe and accidently commented out security.
[07:49] <kkathman> InitMass:  are those like xterm?
[07:50] <InitMass> kkathman, no
[07:50] <markus> What's multiverse?
[07:50] <InitMass> kkathman, but you use them i e g xterm
[07:50] <kkathman> so it is a windows "terminal" program yes?
[07:50] <kkathman> or not?
[07:51] <kkathman> markus: Multiverse = programs that you have to basically license and outside Ubuntu's control
[07:51] <kkathman> more or less
[07:51] <KriegGoD> does anyone know how i can install kernel-2.4.29 with apt-get ?
[07:51] <joshua__> How do you mount something without restricting your main user acount access to it?
[07:51] <SeanQ> KriegGoD, I don't know if older kernels are Ubuntu-supported.
[07:51] <SeanQ> Older meaning after 2.6.8
[07:51] <KriegGoD> :(
[07:51] <markus> kkathman, how does it compare to universe?
[07:52] <SeanQ> Why do you need it, KriegGoD ?
[07:52] <kkathman> markus you can get a good understanding of the differentiation on the Ubuntu web site under Components
[07:52] <KriegGoD> because since i started using 2.6, my keyboard keys dont all work, and my sound never works right
[07:52] <crimsun> sound?
[07:53] <kyle_> im leet :P
[07:53] <markus> kkathman, thanks
[07:53] <kkathman> Multiverse might be programs that are not necessarily open source, but available.. but you have to manage the licensing yourself, and Ubuntu isnt testing and etc..
[07:53] <kyle_> i made ubuntu's gnome look like kde
[07:53] <KriegGoD> crimsun, yes
[07:53] <crimsun> KriegGoD: what's broken with your sound?  Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[07:53] <smouche> hi kkathman.  I've never been clear about the definition of "backports" vs mulitverse -- and what are the marillat packages -- ? "backports" -??
[07:53] <KriegGoD> i can't get my damn microphone working right, its working because i turn the mic volume up and i can hear it, but arecord wont pick up anything
[07:53] <KriegGoD> and i need it for teamspeak
[07:54] <KriegGoD> the keyboard issue is livable
[07:54] <kkathman> smouche - good question, I will the be first to say that is confusing to me too
[07:54] <KriegGoD> but the sound isn't
[07:54] <KriegGoD> and ubuntu strangly does not come with alsa-config
[07:54] <SeanQ> ah
[07:54] <kyle_> KriegGoD, probably in universe
[07:54] <KriegGoD> ?
[07:55] <smouche> all I know about backports is, I backported myself into chaos with warty, and I don't want to do it with hoary... ;-)
[07:55] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone have any idea how i can get the version number of Ubuntu from Terminal?
[07:55] <crimsun> KriegGoD: alsaconf was ripped out of alsa-utils for a variety of legitimate reasons.
[07:55] <kkathman> InitMass: Can you please explain these other programs such as lynx? Im trying to learn about these things :)
[07:55] <crimsun> ubuntulog: cat /etc/issue
[07:55] <UnbuntuBaby> ...and please dont say -rm again :(
[07:55] <crimsun> ubuntulog: sorry
[07:55] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: cat /etc/issue
[07:55] <UnbuntuBaby> thanks crimsun :)
[07:55] <kkathman> smouche:  What do you understand about backports? Cuz I cant find much on it
[07:56] <KriegGoD> so how do i configure my sound in ubuntu
[07:56] <crimsun> KriegGoD: it should be done automatically.  Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[07:56] <smouche> kkathman, I know nothing!  except one should be cautious whenever going past universe...
[07:56] <KriegGoD> Warty
[07:56] <kkathman> Krieg: Try the HOWTO on tldp.org
[07:56] <kkathman> smouche: I think thats right
[07:56] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, even better is lsb-release -a
[07:57] <WeirdAl> Someone give me a hand with DivX?
[07:57] <crimsun> ogra++
[07:57] <WeirdAl> I installed it, apparently.
[07:57] <WeirdAl> But now I don't know how to get anything to use it.
[07:57] <SeanQ> WeirdAl, you mean w32codecs?
[07:57] <saax> how to create a file in ubuntu?
[07:57] <WeirdAl> I went to divx.com and got "divx for linux"
[07:57] <SeanQ> ah, ok
[07:57] <SeanQ> lemme check it out
[07:57] <crimsun> KriegGoD: what sound card?
[07:58] <smouche> WeirdAl, what about xine?
[07:58] <WeirdAl> Am I better off using w32codecs?
[07:58] <WeirdAl> What's xine?
[07:58] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell WeirdAl uburestricted
[07:58] <Pyre> WeirdAl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:58] <smouche> I had divx avis running on xine, on warty before.
[07:58] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, whoops, sorry its lsb_release -a
[07:58] <smouche> WeirdAl, xine is a terrific movie player
[07:58] <KriegGoD> Sound Fusion CS46xx
[07:58] <KriegGoD> onboard
[07:59] <kyle_> FUCK!
[07:59] <smouche> much better than totem, in my opinion.
[07:59] <KriegGoD> Cirrus Logic CS4297 Rev 3 chip
[07:59] <WeirdAl> Oh right. Does it come with this stuff, by any chance? :-)
[07:59] <crimsun> KriegGoD: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:00] <KriegGoD> 0 snd_cs46xx
[08:00] <UnbuntuBaby> ogra, sorted it out with cat /etc/issue thanks anyway! Wrote yous down too :)
[08:00] <smouche> WeirdAl, you'll need the codecs etc -- follow the instructions on the page that Pyre just gave you...
[08:00] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: the method ogra mentioned is the canonical method.  You should use it instead.
[08:01] <smouche> * Darwin swears at kyle
[08:01] <UnbuntuBaby> canonical, wazzat?
[08:01] <KriegGoD> /proc/asound/oss/sndstat said the audio device is Duplex
[08:01] <KriegGoD> so i dont see why i can't record anything
[08:01] <smouche> Company sponsoring ubuntu
[08:01] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: here it means it is the preferred and standard way
[08:01] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, the new standard (canonical = generic)
[08:01] <UnbuntuBaby> yup, i agree, gives more info too :)
[08:02] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to, but I don't know what Synaptic is.
[08:02] <InitMass> kkathman, like firefox but you use a terminal
[08:02] <crimsun> KriegGoD: ok, with that driver you need to manipulate some mixer settings.
[08:02] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, you can even see it in the device manager in the detials of the computer device if you use hoary
[08:02] <SeanQ> WeirdAl, PM
[08:02] <UnbuntuBaby> well im using 4.10 "Warty warthog" (why that name I dunno...)
[08:02] <WeirdAl> OK
[08:02] <kyle_> WeirdAl, NO!
[08:02] <crimsun> KriegGoD: please open a Terminal and execute ,,alsamixer''
[08:02] <kyle_> don't accept pms
[08:02] <WeirdAl> :-(
[08:02] <SeanQ> Okay, anyway.
[08:02] <WeirdAl> Why not?
[08:02] <WeirdAl> It's not like I get asked.
[08:02] <SeanQ> Go to Computer -- System Config -- Synaptic Package Manager
[08:02] <KriegGoD> ok it's open.. had it open
[08:03] <UnbuntuBaby> ogra: thats the bit thats causing me greif you see, seeing as i cant see my device driver listed (unknown device - too old a driver you see)
[08:03] <kyle_> Because the Ubuntu community is here to help
[08:03] <WeirdAl> I'm on Hoary
[08:03] <SeanQ> OK
[08:03] <SeanQ> System -- Adminstration -- Synaptic Package Manager
[08:03] <WeirdAl> yep found it
[08:03] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: Synaptic is the GUI front-end of Apt. The package manager.
[08:03] <UnbuntuBaby> im on warty (?!)
[08:03] <SeanQ> I am too, but I just helped someone in Warty find it.
[08:03] <ogra> UnbuntuBaby, looks like
[08:03] <crimsun> KriegGoD: is mic plugged into mic or input?
[08:04] <KriegGoD> yea
[08:04] <crimsun> KriegGoD: which?
[08:05] <KriegGoD> mic
[08:05] <KriegGoD> of course
[08:05] <kkathman> InitMass: Ahh ok, thanks for that.  Do you know of other things besides xterm?
[08:05] <WeirdAl> Oh... I've never seen synaptic before. Just been using apt-get
[08:05] <crimsun> KriegGoD: select all of mic, capture, and adc for recording.  Make sure all three are unmuted.
[08:05] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: they're the same thing, essentially.
[08:06] <KriegGoD> hah
[08:06] <KriegGoD> works
[08:06] <KriegGoD> but it sounds like ass :/
[08:06] <WeirdAl> Wiki says: URI:            ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:06] <WeirdAl>    Distribution:   testing (use unstable here if you are using hoary)
[08:06] <WeirdAl>    Section(s):     main
[08:07] <WeirdAl> Is that deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[08:07] <WeirdAl> sorry, unstable
[08:07] <UnbuntuBaby> Now I have a 3Com PCMCIA device, any ideas there ppl?
[08:07] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: i have a different card now :P
[08:07] <kain> yes WeirdAl, you must import gpg keys in order to use marillat repos
[08:07] <UnbuntuBaby> same deal though, might be too old.
[08:07] <WeirdAl> gpg keys?
[08:07] <pantz> I just ran the auto-update thingy in hoary but it is stuck at "Setting up libgnomeprintui2.2-0 (2.10.2-0ubuntu1) ..." - anyone got any clues?
[08:08] <kain> WeirdAl, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:08] <WeirdAl> ty
[08:08] <kain> go to step 2
[08:08] <kain> sorry, step 1
[08:08] <kain> ;)
[08:08] <crimsun> hey, interesting url :)
[08:08] <UnbuntuBaby> lemme get the specs:Eltherlink III LAN PC Card for 10 base T 3C589D-TP
[08:09] <InitMass> kkathman, i know alot of things. anything special you are thinking about?
[08:09] <WeirdAl> So you're telling me that in order to install DivX I'm going to have to set up gpg?
[08:10] <WeirdAl> that's a bit odd.
[08:10] <kain> WeirdAl, you must generate a key and import the one from marillat
[08:10] <zooko> WeirdAl: I just always choose "yes" when asked if I want to install something without authentication.
[08:10] <msg43> hi
[08:10] <msg43> I need a some help
[08:10] <msg43> I'll be daul booting ubuntu and arch linux
[08:10] <SeanQ> That's why we're here, msg43.
[08:10] <SeanQ> Okay.
[08:10] <msg43> I need the kernel source for ubuntu
[08:10] <kain> WeirdAl, if you check synaptic, and go to configure, you will se that even ubuntu standard repos use a gpg key, it's generated automatically
[08:10] <SeanQ> msg43, look for "linux-headers" in synaptic
[08:11] <kkathman> InitMass: Im sorry I wasnt specific. I am using XFCE and what comes standard there is Xterm, and Its interface is very inflexible. I like what I had under Gnome, but XFCE is much better for me because of some minimal equipment I have.
[08:11] <msg43> SeanQ: I'm trying to compile ndiswrapper I don't think tha twould work
[08:11] <WeirdAl> Man, I'm well confused now.
[08:11] <Natham> hi, i need help with iptables
[08:11] <msg43> I'll install ubuntu and arch
[08:11] <kain> WeirdAl, this is just a security enhancement
[08:11] <WeirdAl> I've just been directed through several pages of documentation that assume that I know what I want.
[08:11] <SeanQ> msg43, it would.
[08:11] <WeirdAl> Whereas I don't actually have a clue.
[08:11] <SeanQ> I used linux-headers to compile ndiswrapper
[08:12] <WeirdAl> OK, so do I actually need to do it?
[08:12] <msg43> SeanQ: now did you use the actuall source from there website
[08:12] <kain> in order to download w32codecs from marillat, yes
[08:12] <kain> otherwise you can download the packages
[08:12] <kain> and that's it
[08:12] <WeirdAl> Or can I just, like, take chances?
[08:12] <Natham> somebodie help me
[08:12] <KriegGoD> crimsun, nvm, i fixed it.. thanks so much for the help
[08:12] <pantz> SeanQ, i had trouble compiling ndiswrapper - what other packages did you need to install?
[08:12] <crimsun> KriegGoD: np
[08:12] <SeanQ> msg43, yes
[08:13] <SeanQ> pantz, what was the error?
[08:13] <msg43> SeanQ: please tell us I would like to really try ubuntu using my net
[08:13] <SeanQ> pantz, you'll need to get "linux-headers"
[08:13] <InitMass> kkathman, do you want another xterm-like terminal?
[08:13] <msg43> ok well I'm gonna go
[08:13] <SeanQ> msg43, try typing 'apt-get linux-headers-386' in your profile
[08:13] <SeanQ> er terminal
[08:13] <kkathman> InitMass: Yes that would be my desire.
[08:13] <Natham> iptables, i need help please
[08:14] <msg43> SeanQ: so even if I have a i686 processser?
[08:14] <kkathman> InitMass: Xterm is white on black, and small fonts. I'd like to get something that I can at least modify a little.
[08:14] <SeanQ> msg43, replace '386' with '686'
[08:14] <Wonder> I get this errors while installing ubuntu: No matching physical volumes found. No Volume Groups Found. cp: Read Error: Input/output error etc. <-- Does anyone know what may cause this?
[08:14] <msg43> oh ok
[08:14] <msg43> SeanQ: and i do uname -r to find out the kernel version right
[08:15] <SeanQ> yes
[08:15] <SeanQ> but no need to
[08:15] <InitMass> kkathman, that would be eterm
[08:15] <msg43> SeanQ: and I also need the wireless tools
[08:15] <SeanQ> yes
[08:15] <SeanQ> but they come pre-installed
[08:15] <InitMass> kkathman, but i can also recommend aterm
[08:15] <msg43> oh ok
[08:15] <msg43> well I'll give this a shot thanks
[08:15] <SeanQ> that packages depends on the latest kernel headers/source
[08:15] <kkathman> InitMass:  thank you for your insight :)
[08:15] <SeanQ> ok no problem
[08:15] <InitMass> kkathman, but eterm is easier to modify than aterm
[08:16] <kkathman> InitMass:  I'll try eterm first and see if that meets my needs. Again, thank you :)
[08:16] <smouche> kkathman, I don't know about aterm, but Eterm (case specific) lets you modify the look considerably.  It's buggy for me on amd64 though
[08:17] <pantz> how do i install a .deb - ie. gnomebaker?
[08:17] <InitMass> kkathman, sudo apt-get install eterm
[08:17] <kain> pantz, dpkg -i
[08:17] <kain> otherwise add an apt source to download it
[08:17] <kain> deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386 ./
[08:17] <kain> for hoary
[08:17] <hitriko> is anyone else having any problems with python, when i try to install bittorrent client, it open the 'seutp.py' in openoffice...
[08:18] <pantz> kain, niiice - where did you get that url from?
[08:18] <Natham> iptables, i need help please
[08:18] <kkathman> smouche:  Thanks for that input.  Im a bit caught right now as to using XFCE and Gnome. XFCE seems a bit faster but I lose alot of "niceties" like copying and pasting, and icons on the desktop
[08:18] <kain> pantz, around the web, I think on ubuntu forums
[08:18] <pantz> kain, thanks :)
[08:18] <kain> np
[08:18] <kkathman> and some network things arent the same under xfce as they were under Gnome
[08:18] <megabyte405> kkathman, you can run the XFCE window manager under the rest of GNOME, and it will speed things up
[08:19] <kkathman> megabyte405:  Interesting, can you explain how I might do that?
[08:19] <megabyte405> install XFCE not as default, then run in a gnome terminal killall metacity && xfwm4 &
[08:19] <smouche> kkathman, konsole (I think that's what it's called) is very configurable, like Eterm.  Don't know whether one can uses it in gnome though. It's fast and pretty. Don't see why not
[08:19] <amiroff> megabyte405: btw, does anyone know how to make metacity or xfwm to open every new window in center of the screen?
[08:19] <kkathman> smouche:  yes I used Konsole under Gnome
[08:20] <InitMass> how do i burn a dvd out of a lot af .vob, .ifo and .bup files?
[08:20] <apokryphos> smouche: like the vast majority of k-apps, it can be used under gnome.
[08:20] <megabyte405> then save your session and restart gnome.  Next time you'll start up with the new WM, and a terminal open.  Close the terminal, save session and quit again, and tstart it back up.
[08:20] <megabyte405> amiroff, no, sorry
[08:20] <zooko> So did anybody help clear up WeirdAl's confusion?
[08:20] <Elsidox> is there such thing as an  xfce display manager
[08:20] <Natham> iptables, i need help please
[08:20] <megabyte405> Elsidox, display manager, I don't know, XFCE is broken into lots of smallparts, which is why the WM works great with gnome and such.
[08:20] <pantz> kain, what is the ./ you have at the end of the url you pasted?
[08:21] <kain> pantz, it is part of the line to add to sources.list
[08:21] <kain> on the same line
[08:21] <megabyte405> Is there an easy way for me to add a few packages from Hoary to my Warty install, so I can install Evince?
[08:21] <amiroff> Elsidox: it does not hav a dm
[08:21] <kain> add as is
[08:21] <Elsidox> megabyte405, im just looking for an alternative to gnome and kde. =)
[08:21] <smouche> thank god for that.  Where would people be without k3b (?  I hear people raving about it, disk burner or sumpin'...)
[08:21] <Elsidox> amiroff, do you know where i can look at screenshots of it?
[08:21] <megabyte405> Elsidox, XFCE is a nice desktop environment.
[08:21] <zooko> Elsidox: I use ratpoison.  :-)
[08:22] <amiroff> Elsidox: a screenshot of what?
[08:22] <Elsidox> amiroff, the display manager
[08:22] <kkathman> megabyte405: Thanks.  Im a frustrated that samba isnt working right under xfce. Under gnome I could see my window's boxes and access the files, but I cant under xfce for some reason
[08:22] <smouche> yes, xfce is beautiful and very fast.  Log-ins are near instantaneous.
[08:22] <amiroff> Elsidox: well, xfce does not have it :)
[08:22] <Natham> how i route one port only one specific port to the internet
[08:22] <kkathman> xfce is a bit tedious to install, but the speed increase it impressive.
[08:23] <amiroff> kkathman: it's very easy to install, just add os-cillation sources
[08:23] <thehumpboy> newbie question -- how do I auto-mount a local ntfs volume (hda1)
[08:23] <pantz> kain, i pasted this (without quotes) in my sources.lst but am getting errors - "deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386 ./" - any ideas?
[08:23] <alterim> michael?
[08:23] <kkathman> amiroff: its a bit more complex than that...under warty there are issues
[08:23] <apokryphos> thehumpboy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:23] <zooko> Here's a screenshot of my desktop: https://yumyum.zooko.com:19144/pub/scrot.png
[08:23] <amiroff> thehumpboy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:23] <michael> alterim: how'd it go?
[08:24] <apokryphos> zooko: doesn't load. :P
[08:24] <zooko> whoops
[08:24] <amiroff> kkathman: I remember running it under warty, and there is even an installer...
[08:24] <kkathman> the best source for installing xfce is  http://www.tuxme.com/node/358
[08:24] <kain> mm pantz
[08:24] <markus> How do I enable DMA on my DVD-ROM permanently?
[08:24] <smouche> kkathman, is the xfce4 in universe out of date?
[08:25] <kain> pantz, I see Ign http://people.debian.org ./ Packages when I apt-get update, maybe the author have changed something in meantime
[08:25] <kkathman> amiroff:  you are correct, but for some reason I had many dependency problems. This other process I mentioned takes care of those upfront, and even then there are other things you have to resolve
[08:25] <crimsun> smouche: yes, we're working on pulling it up to 4.2.1.1
[08:25] <pantz> kain, its ok now - i ran apt-get update on the command line and its ok now
[08:25] <kain> let me see
[08:25] <baikonur> hi
[08:25] <kain> ok pantz
[08:25] <smouche> crimsun, glad to hear that.
[08:25] <kkathman> smouche I got the most recent directly from the sources
[08:25] <baikonur> how can I configure so that a new folder is opened in the same window?
[08:25] <kain> pantz, now start to download gnomebaker :)
[08:25] <baikonur> nautilus
[08:25] <markus> baikonur "always browse"
[08:25] <pantz> kain, got it - thanks mate!
[08:26] <kain> np pantz, glad to see things working ;)
[08:26] <freewoody> Hi all
[08:26] <baikonur> markus: but then it opens in another type of window
[08:26] <kkathman> smouche: If you go to that web site, and follow the directions, its a bit of a straight shot, except that you might have to apt-get a few more dependencies like i did
[08:26] <freewoody> How do I use GnuPG ?
[08:26] <zooko> There.  Now you can load:
[08:26] <zooko> https://yumyum.zooko.com:19144/pub/scrot.png
[08:27] <smouche> Cool, kkathman, thanks.  I'm just a little timid about venturing ourside the repos
[08:27] <Wonder> I get this errors while installing ubuntu: No matching physical volumes found. No Volume Groups Found. cp: Read Error: Input/output error etc. Does anyone know what may cause this?
[08:27] <baikonur> markus: got it, you need to restart nautilus
[08:27] <zooko> to see what my beautiful ubuntu desktop looked like a couple of minutes ago.
[08:27] <kkathman> smouche if you decide to install it, let me know and I'll be glad to help you in any way I can
[08:27] <kkathman> I did that on my warty 4.10 install and its functioning very well
[08:27] <zooko> Oh wait -- that screenshot didn't capture IRC...
[08:27] <apokryphos> heh
[08:28] <kkathman> hey there apokryphos good day to ya :)
[08:28] <zooko> https://yumyum.zooko.com:19144/pub/irc.png
[08:28] <apokryphos> kkathman: Hi :)
[08:28] <smouche> Thanks kkathman!  I'll try it this evening.
[08:28] <kain> what the hell
[08:28] <kain> zooko, nice wm
[08:29] <zooko> ^-- my beautiful Ubuntu desktop, with XEmacs visible, doing VIPER and ERC into channel #ubuntu.
[08:29] <Timbo> zooko: sick
[08:29] <zooko> kain: thanks!
[08:29] <smouche> I ran an older xfce before, I was impressed.
[08:29] <Timbo> and i mean the bad kind of sick :P
[08:29] <zooko> It's ratpoison.  Very nice.  available in universe.
[08:29] <kain> zooko, http://archive.kuht.it/gnome_hoary.png I wanted this to be similar to yours
[08:29] <michael> Timbo: i agree
[08:30] <michael> not pretty, zooko, sorry
[08:30] <immortalsinger> hi
[08:30] <apokryphos> I find xhcat kinda ugly
[08:30] <baikonur> markus: thanks
[08:30] <goldfish> IRSSI!
[08:30] <cusco> irssi rox
[08:30] <cusco> :D
[08:30] <goldfish> It certainly does :)
[08:30] <Timbo> i was more commenting on the irc in emacs :)
[08:30] <CarlK> I want to setup DDNS with my existing DHCP server - man dhcpd.conf says there are 2 ways - anyone have a recomendation ?
[08:31] <cusco> altho im using bitchx just for testing something .P
[08:31] <zooko> Timbo: don't forget the VI emulation.  Very important.
[08:32] <Timbo> oh ok
[08:32] <Timbo> you get some points back then :)
[08:32] <zooko> Seriously, there are some wm's which have ratpoisonlike commandability, but look prettier.  I intend to try one someday.  ion and wmi.
[08:32] <Timbo> i wonder if somebody wrote an irc plugin for vim
[08:32] <Hannes_> irssi roxor^10
[08:32] <zooko> "Emacs is my operating system.  Linux is my device driver.".
[08:33] <Timbo> the window system of vim would actually be quite good for irc
[08:33] <zooko> I guess that means my operating system is GNU/Emacs/Linux.  ;-)
[08:33] <zooko> Yes, I find the frame system of XEmacs to be very nice for IRC.
[08:33] <zooko> There is a little status line at the bottom which shows notes if there are unread posts to a channel that I am currently logged into.
[08:33] <zooko> I can configure whether to ignore certain kinds of events, certain users, etc.
[08:33] <Timbo> no matter how nice it is, it looses all credibility on principle
[08:34] <Timbo> for being emacs :)
[08:34] <zooko> Plus I get the mental exercise of trying to re-learn LISP every year or so when I want to reconfigure something.  ;-)
[08:34] <Timbo> gak
[08:34] <Timbo> emacs AND WinXP? HAVE YOU NO TASTE MAN?
[08:34] <zooko> :-)
[08:35] <zooko> I guess I'm just doing WinXP for the money.  You know what that makes me!
[08:35] <zooko> Less poor.
[08:35] <Timbo> yeah yeah, i guess you need to money to feed your emacs habit _
[08:39] <zooko> Yikes.  It's going to take approximately 3 more hours.  Too bad.
[08:41] <zooko> I wonder if buying a bigger/better antenna for my 802.11g PCI card would help.
[08:44] <rosco> there is still a bug with the swiss-french keyboard. Should I report this bug ? Is it already handled by someone more aware than me ?
[08:45] <Blissex> zooko: 54g should be doing about half of its rated maximum speed in good conditions...
[08:46] <Blissex> zooko: that's only 2-3 slower than over 100Mhz Ethernet...
[08:46] <Blissex> zooko: but you got a big problem beyond that;
[08:46] <Blissex> zooko: your operating system, BTW, is Emacs, and GNU/Linux is its hw management plugin :-)
[08:47] <warty> balou
[08:47] <kkathman> InitMass:  Looked at both Eterm and aterm, still not quite as nice as the Konsole. Do you happen to know if Konsole will run under xfce?
[08:47] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone know much about PCMCIA support for 3com devices on Ubuntu?
[08:48] <kkathman> UbuntuBaby:  you might check the HOWTO on ethernet cards...I think it discusses the PCMCIA cards there
[08:48] <Blissex> zooko: the big problem you have is that 'scp' uses a particularly slow and stupi protocol.
[08:48] <Blissex> zooko: one should never use 'scp' except for small and pointless files. Use 'rsync' instead.
[08:48] <UnbuntuBaby> kkathman, is that just a matter of typing HOWTO?
[08:48] <Blissex> zooko: also, on slower PCs encryption can add enormous overheads.
[08:49] <raydogg> how can i disable shell access for a user, but still allow them to use ssh forwarding ?
[08:49] <Blissex> zooko: on my 800MHz P3 laptop my CPU goes to 100% when I do about 3-4MB/s over SSH.
[08:49] <mrproper> Does anyone know if Horay will receive Mono 1.0.6?
[08:49] <kkathman> UbuntuBaby:  See if this helps you:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards/view?s
[08:51] <baikonur> what can I do if I have no sound to test where the reason is? it worked before
[08:51] <UnbuntuBaby> thanks kkathman
[08:51] <noesis> i am used to kde and i cannot figure out how to get the address bars showing in top of windows. For example, i want to type /dirname/filename rather than clicking my way through
[08:51] <megabyte405> is it a fiasco to try some synaptic magic and update from Warty to Hoary?
[08:51] <kkathman> UbuntuBaby:  If not, then go to http://www.tldp.org and look at the specific HOWTO documents there
[08:52] <kkathman> UbuntuBaby: Here you go specifically:  http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html
[08:57] <jcw> If anyone is interested, the 5.04 preview will not boot on a TravelMate 507DX.  I'm not interested enough to create a bugzilla account to report it, as I'm just messing around with a few distros.  I get a blank screen at boot, it thumps around on the CD for a bit, ejects the CD, and then... dunno, can't see anything.  Machine specs: http://www.acersupport.com/notebook/html/tm507dx_specs.html
[08:58] <dwa_> are you sure your cd isn't corrupted jcw ?
[08:58] <jcw> It passes the MD5SUM test.
[08:59] <dwa_> strange
[08:59] <jcw> It's probably the junky Neomagic 2 chipset the TravelMate uses.
[08:59] <dwa_> not familiar with that sorry
[09:00] <dwa_> i've got a compaq evo; (almost) everything works like a charm
[09:00] <baikonur> where does GNOME stores the hostname of the computer? I changed it with "hostname newname" but now GNOME complains that it cannot find the old hostname
[09:00] <WeirdAl> Can I set it up so that when I press the eject button on my CD drive it actually ejects it?
[09:01] <EfaistOs> hi
[09:01] <dwa_> hi
[09:01] <piratePenguin> How do I install .deb packages in ubuntu?
[09:01] <noesis> WeirdAl, it is prob still mounted
[09:01] <EfaistOs> kubuntu ?
[09:01] <EfaistOs> what's that ?
[09:01] <noesis> the automounter..
[09:01] <baikonur> piratePenguin: sudo dpkg -i packetname.deb
[09:01] <jcw> dwa_, incidently, Knoppix 3.3 and 3.7 boot with no problems.
[09:02] <piratePenguin> baikonur: thanks
[09:02] <dwa_> mmm that's really strange
[09:02] <dwa_> since it's probably the same boot process
[09:02] <WeirdAl> Yeah it is. What I mean is, can I get the hardware eject to call the software unmount-and-eject operation?
[09:03] <noesis> oh that WeirdAl
[09:03] <noesis> it will most probably be quite tricky
[09:04] <WeirdAl> Oh
[09:04] <WeirdAl> Because that seems like a fairly reasonable thing to expect.
[09:04] <EfaistOs> does hoary include  GNOME 2.10 already ?
[09:04] <dwa_> EfaistOs : yes
[09:05] <dwa_> WeirdAl : i'm not sure but on my desktop machine it already works as you want it to work
[09:05] <dwa_> can't really check it now though..
[09:06] <WeirdAl> I'll see what the other drive does.
[09:07] <syn-ack> I have a question. Why oh why would my upgrade from Warty to Hoary still hold back the new version of ubuntu-destop?
[09:07] <syn-ack> desktop, too
[09:07] <WeirdAl> Nip. Both drives need me to software eject.
[09:07] <WeirdAl> I'll ask at debian net
[09:07] <syn-ack> would I need to install xorg in order to be able to upgrade the desktop?
[09:08] <dwa_> WeirdAl : good luck
[09:08] <baikonur> how can I change the "hostname" the ubuntu way?
[09:08] <dwa_> when i'm home first i'm going to do is check my machine :)
[09:09] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[09:09] <black_Nightmare> a little question about video cards if anyone mind?
[09:09] <dwa_> hi
[09:09] <dwa_> depends black_Nightmare
[09:09] <dwa_> ;)
[09:09] <baikonur> black_Nightmare: don't ask to ask, just ask
[09:10] <black_Nightmare> dwa_ recoken that you could have main screen on an vga agp card then using a pci vga+tv/out card for a mirrored [or different]  tv/out screen?
[09:10] <black_Nightmare> lol baik..good one :p
[09:11] <dwa_> mm not sure about that one
[09:11] <dwa_> haven't ever done that before
[09:11] <black_Nightmare> ty anyhow dwa
[09:11] <jcw_u> dwa_, just for the record, that same CD works just fine on this Panasonic Toughbook CF-48X.
[09:11] <noesis> where do i get downloads for ubuntu?
[09:11] <noesis> like apache and php and mysql
[09:12] <dwa_> jcw_u : maybe you can post something on the ubuntu forums, maybe there is someone else with the same problem
[09:12] <dwa_> noesis : are you kidding?
[09:12] <baikonur> noesis: synaptic
[09:12] <noesis> yes, but does synaptic find it online?
[09:12] <noesis> dwa, i am running ubuntu for the first time today
[09:13] <dwa_> welcome to a better place ;)
[09:13] <dwa_> noesis : just start synaptic and do a search
[09:13] <jcw_u> Well, I thought I'd just pass it along.  Unfortunately (and no flame wars!) Gnome is not my desktop of choice.  I'll likely go with a perma-install on Knoppix, or install Gentoo (My other 10 boxen/laptops are all Gentoo).  I'm just poking around with other distros, seeing what looks interesting.
[09:13] <dwa_> you'll find anything you need in there
[09:14] <dwa_> jcw_u : gentoo is also a great distro
[09:15] <jcw_u> I'm used to it.  I'll be the first to admit that it's a little painful to install on slower machines, however.  A 466Mhz laptop will take a while on Stage 1. :)
[09:15] <dwa_> hehe true :) but you can also do a stage 3
[09:15] <HcE> is the Ubuntu gdm and Gnome theme downloadable somewhere?
[09:15] <jcw_u> Heathen!
[09:15] <jcw_u> Stage 3 is for ... Windows users!
[09:15] <dwa_> ;)
[09:16] <jcw_u> Anyway, thanks for the pointers, etc.  Good luck.
[09:16] <dwa_> thanks for stopping by :)
[09:16] <palmera> hi
[09:16] <cd1680> hi i have a huge problem with my ati radeon 9600 card. i just installed the fglrx driver and the computer wont boot
[09:16] <cd1680> it just has a black screen
[09:16] <noesis> dwa_, i did a search for apache, it found apache 2 on my system, but it cannot find php as i do not have it. do i need to look for the package myself on the net?
[09:16] <cd1680> the graphic logon does not work at all
[09:16] <dwa_> no with synaptic
[09:17] <palmera> alguien espaol?
[09:17] <cd1680> can any help?
[09:17] <UnbuntuBaby> si, pero yo se nada de Linux!
[09:17] <UnbuntuBaby> perdon :(
[09:17] <Mellar> cd1680: apt-get install php
[09:17] <UnbuntuBaby> en que topas palmera?
[09:17] <palmera> pero porque entinces ubuntu??
[09:17] <cd1680> what is php for?
[09:17] <kkathman> UbuntuBaby: did you see that last HOWTO post I sent you ?
[09:17] <UnbuntuBaby> jajaj! Por que estoy hasta las PELOTAS con Windows! :D
[09:17] <dwa_> cd1680 : that was meant for noesis
[09:18] <palmera> de donde eres??
[09:18] <Mellar> cd1680: to create dynamic webpages
[09:18] <cd1680> o
[09:18] <palmera> lo tienes en live-cd?
[09:18] <kkathman> regarding the specific Ethernet HOWTO I mean
[09:18] <UnbuntuBaby> kkathman, yeap, didnt help though, gave me 590 drivers, not the 580 series drivers
[09:18] <palmera> yo lo tengo en mi laptop
[09:18] <cd1680> Mellar: cd1680: to create dynamic webpages ??
[09:18] <cd1680> what is that mean?
[09:18] <UnbuntuBaby> palmera, de Australia, padres Chilenos
[09:18] <kkathman> what about this:  http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html
[09:18] <palmera> mira tu
[09:18] <kkathman> did you see that?
[09:18] <cd1680> can someone help me?
[09:18] <Mellar> cd1680: php is a programming language for web
[09:18] <palmera> yo soy de chile
[09:18] <palmera> estoy en stgo
[09:19] <dwa_> noesis : if you fire up synaptic, you can search for all software available for ubuntu. Only the packages with a green box in front of them are installed
[09:19] <noesis> thanks dwa_  and Mellar
[09:19] <baikonur> I have no sound support after installing some programs like ogle, how can I renable the sound and how can I find out more about the reason?
[09:19] <cd1680> ic but i need help with my radeon card
[09:19] <alterim> damn, michael has gone
[09:19] <dwa_> cd1680 : have you changed the xorg.conf file?
[09:19] <cd1680> yes
[09:19] <alterim> does anyone know if he's on a messenger??
[09:19] <noesis> it is downloading index files from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <cd1680> after i changed the xorg.conf file it started not booting
[09:20] <cd1680> before that it was fine
[09:20] <alterim> anyone the michael guy that was just in here?
[09:20] <sono> baikonur: have you changed your gnome multimedia sound server recently?
[09:20] <alterim> anyone know the michael guy that was just in here?
[09:20] <dwa_> that's weird, did you use the fglrx from the ubuntu repo's?
[09:20] <cd1680> yes
[09:20] <cd1680> i am using amd64 hoary
[09:20] <dwa_> worked like a charm for me, i've got a radeon 9500
[09:21] <alterim> can someone else give me some help installing my linux headers and image?
[09:21] <baikonur> sono: no, just the hostname, but I changed it back
[09:21] <cd1680> what does it say when you type echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules?
[09:21] <alterim> and can someone tell me how to bookmark this chatroom in firefox
[09:21] <alterim> (i'm on chatzilla)
[09:21] <baikonur> sono: I disabled it and the reenabled it but that made no difference
[09:21] <noesis> wow, it looks like synaptic is the king
[09:21] <dwa_> cd1680 : i'm not behind my desktop pc right now
[09:21] <alterim> anyone?
[09:22] <cd1680> ok ic
[09:22] <cd1680> so what can i do?
[09:22] <dwa_> try ubuntuforums.org
[09:22] <cd1680> i cant even startup
[09:22] <baikonur> sono: which process should be running for sound support?
[09:22] <cd1680> i did
[09:22] <RuffianSoldier> whats new in the Ubuntu world? I have been away for a while
[09:22] <cd1680> there is nothing
[09:22] <dwa_> you can startup in safe mode
[09:22] <alterim> can someone else give me some help installing my linux headers and image?
[09:22] <alterim> and can someone tell me how to bookmark this chatroom in firefox
[09:22] <alterim> (i'm on chatzilla)
[09:22] <cd1680> yes
[09:22] <cd1680> but its just a command line
[09:23] <cd1680> i dont kno how to use it
[09:23] <dwa_> yes
[09:23] <dwa_> ow
[09:23] <dwa_> you can change the driver back
[09:23] <dwa_> type this: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:23] <dwa_> and then find the line with fglrx
[09:23] <cd1680> yes i did that
[09:23] <dwa_> change it to ati
[09:23] <cd1680> but it still doesnt work
[09:23] <cd1680> it gets errors now
[09:23] <cd1680> wen i try to start
[09:24] <cd1680> i have agp 8x port
[09:24] <WeirdAl> Hmm.
[09:24] <cd1680> how do i specify that?
[09:24] <arbeck> question... when i run cron jobs, the output is emailed to my localhost account... i'd like to either supress this, or forward it to an smtp account... is that possible?
[09:24] <dwa_> you don't have to
[09:24] <WeirdAl> #debian tell me that there's no way of getting the button-push signal into Linux.
[09:24] <cd1680> is that PCI:1:0:0?
[09:24] <WeirdAl> I don't buy that 'cause Windows gets told about it.
[09:24] <alterim> erm can anyone help me?
[09:24] <cd1680> o well then what do i do
[09:25] <dwa_> i'm sorry i can't help you with this one
[09:25] <dwa_> maybe there is another amd64 user in here who can
[09:25] <cd1680> ok thx
[09:26] <WeirdAl> bye guys.
[09:26] <alterim> erm can anyone help me?
[09:26] <aquarius> How can I configure my laptop to have one screen resolution on its own screen and a different one on the external monitor into which it's plugged?
[09:27] <black_Nightmare> aquarius..I think that'll need decidated video for the other mointor which laptops usually don't even have
[09:27] <Tux-Rox> I installed vlc mozilla plugin and all I get when I go to view movie trailers at apple.com is a blank box that says (no picture). Annyone know what I could do to fix that?
[09:27] <black_Nightmare> the vga port is usually mirroring only I believe
[09:28] <alterim> can someone else give me some help installing my linux headers and image?
[09:28] <aquarius> black_Nightmare, really? Oh. X doesn't support different resolutions on the two monitors?
[09:28] <Tux-Rox> alterim, did you try synaptic yet?
[09:28] <black_Nightmare> aquarius..what did I said about laptop video? :p
[09:28] <alterim> tux rox yeah i'm way past that stage
[09:28] <alterim> ive downloaded new header and image files
[09:29] <alterim> i installed the image
[09:29] <alterim> but the header wont install
[09:29] <aquarius> black_Nightmare, bummer. :) I am denied.
[09:29] <black_Nightmare> aquarisu..if you must have dual-screen then only way is to go with desktop computers
[09:29] <Tux-Rox> alterim, is it a deb package?
[09:29] <black_Nightmare> laptops always will be only mirroring for the time being now
[09:29] <Tux-Rox> I installed vlc mozilla plugin and all I get when I go to view movie trailers at apple.com is a blank box that says (no picture). Annyone know what I could do to fix that?
[09:29] <alterim> says headers 2.6.10-5-686 depends on headers 2.6.10-5 however  headers 2.6.10-5 is not installed!
[09:30] <alterim> ?!
[09:30] <alterim> sure is
[09:30] <MatthewJohn> how can you get the home folder and "computer" folder and network places on the desktop?
[09:30] <alterim> but that michael guy was helping and we were going great till he left
[09:30] <kev0r> Anyone on hoary that can give me the line to add the CD to apt-get, the line in sources.list plz
[09:30] <alterim> he told me to update my kernel but like i say i'm having difficulty with the header bit
[09:31] <aquarius> MatthewJohn, just drag from the Places menu and drop on your desktop
[09:31] <Tux-Rox> alterim, what I would do is uninstall, using synaptic all 2.6.10-5 related packages, reboot, then try reinstalling it all at once with Synaptic.
[09:31] <MatthewJohn> aquarius: thanks!
[09:31] <alterim> hmm you think?
[09:31] <alterim> i'm total novice though
[09:32] <alterim> apparently i was missing kernel headers, and i need these build a driver
[09:32] <alterim> so this michael guy was telling me how to do it
[09:33] <kev0r> anyone know how i can add my cd to sources.list cannot use synaptic, it's not installed
[09:33] <kkathman> what is the name of the program that does the terminal interface in Gnome?
[09:33] <aquarius> kev0r, where did the CD line in sources.list go? Did you delete it?
[09:34] <baikonur> kkathman: Terminal
[09:34] <kkathman> baikonur:  just called Terminal?
[09:34] <goldfish> gnome-terminal
[09:34] <aquarius> kkathman, the application is gnome-terminal.
[09:34] <goldfish> ?
[09:34] <kkathman> ok
[09:34] <kkathman> thanks
[09:34] <kkathman> I want to see if it will run under XFCE :)
[09:34] <goldfish> it does
[09:35] <wasabi> any X program will run under anything else
[09:35] <kkathman> wasabi: Thank you thats good to know..I appreciate that
[09:35] <alterim> can someone tell me how to bookmark this chatroom in firefox (chatzilla)
[09:35] <alterim> ???
[09:35] <baikonur> what is the standard sound system ubuntu uses?
[09:35] <goldfish> hey i saw a screenshot of xfce using fluxbox window manager
[09:35] <goldfish> how the hell do you do that?
[09:35] <syn-ack> baikonur: ALSA
[09:35] <Tux-Rox> alterim, I had no problem just now installing the kernel-headers so I'm not too sure why you can not. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
[09:36] <alterim> hmm i see Tux-Rox
[09:36] <baikonur> syn-ack: so I need definately libesd-alsa to hear sound?
[09:36] <aquarius> goldfish, xfce doesn't have to use xfwm (or whatever the xfce window mgr is called) as window manager.
[09:36] <alterim> ok well i will have a go using your method
[09:36] <syn-ack> baikonur: I would suggest it.
[09:36] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if kvm signals can be a problem with when switching pc's while one is in installion progress
[09:36] <goldfish> aquarius: ah right, sorry, i'm new to all this, how to i tell it to use fluxbox?
[09:37] <black_Nightmare> or is that a really stupid question? lol
[09:37] <goldfish> *do
[09:37] <baikonur> syn-ack: because after installing new audio player my sound support disappeared and I don't know how to figure out what's wrong
[09:37] <aquarius> goldfish, don't know. The XFCE site should help?
[09:37] <Tux-Rox> I installed vlc mozilla plugin and all I get when I go to view movie trailers at apple.com is a blank box that says (no picture). Annyone know what I could do to fix that?
[09:37] <goldfish> aquarius: lol, i shud look there, thanks :)
[09:37] <aquarius> Tux-Rox, you may need extra codecs for .mov files?
[09:38] <Tux-Rox> aquarius, I have all codecs installed to /usr/lib/win32. mplayer plugin works fine....
[09:38] <black_Nightmare> lol
[09:38] <Tux-Rox> Just can't get vlc plugin to work. vlc works fine as well.
[09:39] <aquarius> black_Nightmare, I can't imagine why it would be a problem, unless you switch while it's in the middle of working out what your keyboard is...
[09:39] <aquarius> Tux-Rox, is it actually starting the vlc plugin?
[09:39] <OmniColossus> I dont think vlc can do quicktime....
[09:39] <b00gie> ppl which release is newer?array 7 or preview release?
[09:39] <Tux-Rox> OmniColossus, it opened a QT file I have locally
[09:40] <black_Nightmare> aquarius...ah ok so I could switch pc's unless the installion is at the detecting proccess for mointors/keyboard/mouse right?
[09:40] <aquarius> black_Nightmare, probably. But if you're worried about it then don't do it; I could well be wrong, because I'm just guessing...
[09:40] <bic> HALLO: How can i make xvidtune settings permanent?
[09:40] <black_Nightmare> aquarius..nah its ok :p
[09:41] <black_Nightmare> I kinda thought i could try leave this pc (with xchat running) on just in case i really need to ask for some help with installing ubuntu
[09:42] <kev0r> How can i check unresolved dependencies?
[09:42] <black_Nightmare> brb for a while...kinda want shut down pc's to finish plugging up the kvm in
[09:43] <xquizit> Hi guys, I goota prob. k3b will no longer notice my cdrom/dvd
[09:43] <xquizit> the last thing I did was follow a guide to ln -d /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd (something like that)
[09:44] <xquizit> * ln -s
[09:44] <CarlK> I jsut installed bind - apt-get install bind9 - what is the man page name?
[09:44] <goldfish> man bind9 ?
[09:45] <xquizit> anyone?
[09:47] <neighborlee> is anyone else still seeing trouible with gnome-panel even from todays update ? ;-) ( hoary preview )
[09:48] <tck> neighborlee, nope
[09:48] <neighborlee> I was able to access it just now and start a program but now its not refreshing and is totally inaccessible...
[09:48] <neighborlee> tck, have you updated today
[09:48] <tck> yup
[09:48] <tck> well about 2-3 hrs ago
[09:48] <b00gie> neighborlee try to login with other user
[09:48] <neighborlee> b00gie, you think it might be borked user account maybe ?
[09:49] <baikonur> what should be the default sound setup and how can I restore it?
[09:49] <tck> baikonur, how do you mean ?
[09:49] <b00gie> i had some problems with gnome in the past.. i solved them with a new user account :/
[09:49] <neighborlee> hmm okie ill try that
[09:50] <UnbuntuBaby> any ideas how to view a file found in a certian directory?
[09:50] <baikonur> tck: I installed some software (totem-xine) and after that my sound card did not work anymore
[09:50] <Crock> how can I automatically mount hfs+ partitions?
[09:50] <UnbuntuBaby> say I wanted to view a file kept in /etc/pcmcia/config
[09:50] <tck> UnbuntuBaby, vi file
[09:50] <baikonur> tck: so now I want to know what should be the correct settings for the sound system
[09:50] <tck> baikonur, try 'speaker-test'
[09:51] <tck> baikonur, then try, 'alsamixer' choose vol then do 'alsactl -store' to save settings
[09:51] <baikonur> tck: do I need to use esound with xmms?
[09:51] <neighborlee> b00gie, when you had that trouble did it also freeze your desktop  eventually ?
[09:52] <runedude> hi all is there any way to edit your uname reply?
[09:52] <UnbuntuBaby> how do i escape vi then?
[09:52] <tck> baikonur, well under xmms preferences (for me i had to enable the esound plugin)
[09:52] <tck> for it to work
[09:52] <aquarius> UnbuntuBaby, hit Escape, then type :q!
[09:52] <baikonur> tck: okay, speaker-test is running but I cannot here anything
[09:52] <runedude> like have uname -a have another reply instead of just the kernel #
[09:52] <tck> runedude, change the name of your computer :P
[09:53] <runedude> not that lol
[09:53] <tck> baikonur, have you tried a reboot,
[09:53] <runedude> i want to edit the #'s and stuff
[09:53] <runedude> to have like a diff reply
[09:53] <tck> see if theres any errors on boot
[09:53] <b00gie> neighborlee, freeze... no... i dont think... but it was misconfigured and gnome programs refuse to start..
[09:54] <tck> runedude, ??
[09:54] <josue> has anyone installed luminosity?
[09:54] <baikonur> tck: I rebooted but they aren't errors at boottime
[09:54] <tck> runedude, recompile and it will change the numbers :P
[09:54] <runedude> instead of the #'s, I want to add other stuff to the uname -a reply.
[09:54] <b00gie> anyone knows if preview hoary is newer than array 7? :/
[09:54] <runedude> lol
[09:54] <runedude> nvm
[09:54] <runedude> cya all later
[09:54] <neighborlee> b00gie, ok
[09:54] <tck> baikonur, apt-get install totem-gstreamer
[09:54] <neighborlee> well i'm froze so i'm going to have to ctrl-al-backspace so ;-)...bbl all
[09:55] <tck> b00gie, array-7 is newer
[09:55] <sono_> Hello friends
[09:55] <baikonur> tck: already the newest version
[09:55] <b00gie> tck, thnks:)
[09:55] <tck> then apt-get install totem
[09:55] <tck> see if it removes the other version
[09:56] <baikonur> tck: no, also "already the newest version"
[09:56] <tck> well u cant have totem-gstreamer and totem-xine both installed
[09:57] <baikonur> tck: I installed libesd-alsa0 but libesd0 was installed before
[09:57] <tck> i was under the impression it was one or the other
[09:57] <baikonur> tck: hmm, the packet system didn't tell me
[09:57] <UnbuntuBaby> thats it then, im going for Hari Kiri, yep 7 in the morning and being awake all night with Ubuntu can do this to you! ;)
[09:57] <tck> baikonur, do an apt-get update and upgrade
[09:57] <UnbuntuBaby> see yas! :D
[09:57] <LikesHisLunch> Hi ... i'm running KDE 3.4 on Ubuntu Hoary... how does Kcontrol populate itself with modules - because mine is empty except for "Internet & Network", and that itself is empty.
[09:57] <baikonur> tck: totem-xine is already removed
[09:58] <tck> baikonur, what do you want to work
[09:58] <tck> sound with xmms or totem ?
[09:58] <tck> which did work and isn't working now
[09:59] <asylumn> Howdy all, how do I get gnome to show all items on the desktop?  For example, using a terminal I create test.txt file in my ~/Desktop folder, but it doesn't show up on the desktop.
[10:00] <baikonur> tck: because I installed totem-xine I guess
[10:00] <baikonur> tck: I also installed ogle and ogle-gui
[10:00] <ericb_> how can I change the keyboard map for the console ??  I realised I have azerty keyboard instead of qwerty kb...
[10:00] <b00gie> asylumn refresh desktop with ctrl+r
[10:00] <baikonur> tck: I didn't know that these packages are conflicting
[10:00] <EddieX> Why are my opengl windows black?
[10:01] <baikonur> tck: can't I use both totem and xmms?
[10:01] <tck> asylumn, go to Apps > System Tools > Conf Editor > then App > Nautilus > Desktop
[10:01] <tck> baikonur, you should be able to
[10:01] <ericb_> EddieX perhaps if you would explain more the proble we could help you..
[10:01] <EddieX> I can play enemy-territory and other games, but examples from nehe.gamedev.net are just black
[10:01] <baikonur> tck: can you tell me your multimedia settings?
[10:01] <tck> baikonur, what happened , xmms used to play music and since installing totem-gstreamer it doesn't ?
[10:02] <EddieX> ericb_, I can compile opengl apps and so on, glxgears runs really nice etc.. But some windows are just black for some reason.
[10:02] <baikonur> tck: no, the gnome sound worked but after installing totem-xine it stopped
[10:02] <tck> baikonur, ok hmm
[10:02] <asylumn> tck: what I am looking for in there?  I've turned on the computer/home icons, etc, and they show up fine.  do I need to add a new key?
[10:03] <tck> asylumn, ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:03] <tck> will restart X
[10:03] <tck> could be glitch
[10:03] <asylumn> I'll try that,  brb
[10:03] <tck> it happened to me before
[10:04] <baikonur> tck: and if I now start totem it tells me "Resource busy or not available". After it wasn't working I installed libesd-alsa0 instead of libesd0 because I thought it was causing the trouble
[10:05] <tck> baikonur, killall totem
[10:06] <baikonur> tck: I think it should be rather trivial to solve it if I would know what are the default settings
[10:06] <baikonur> tck: sound also worked on the warty live cd, the installation is warty
[10:06] <ericb_> will there be a live cd for ppc ?
[10:07] <tck> baikonur, it is something trivial,
[10:07] <tck> remove totem altogether - sees if that helps for the time being
[10:07] <Madeye> How to force file system check on every reboot ?
[10:07] <baikonur> tck: can you tell me your gnome multimedia settings?
[10:07] <ericb_> why do you want this ??
[10:07] <ericb_> and man mount
[10:08] <tck> what settings, can't see how they will help
[10:08] <tck> Madeye, badblocks command
[10:08] <kdp> baikonur: what exactly is your problem?
[10:08] <kdp> and have you tried installed totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?
[10:08] <Crock> how can I access ITunes Shared Music Folders ?
[10:09] <baikonur> kdp: after installing totem-xine and some other packages the sound stopped working and I can't figure out the source of the problem
[10:09] <kdp> have you tried the mixing instructions on the forum?
[10:10] <baikonur> kdp: only http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/view?searchterm=sound
[10:10] <baikonur> kdp: I installed totem-xine and then it stopped working
[10:10] <kdp> try this
[10:10] <kdp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882&highlight=sound+mixing
[10:11] <kdp> there are various settings to fiddle with if it doesnt work at first
[10:11] <baikonur> tck: I did apt-get remove totem but it still opens if I click on an audio file
[10:11] <asylumn> ok that worked, the desktop show properly, but I seem to have created a new problem.  The taskbar is not showing up any longer, neither the top or bottom panels are visible
[10:11] <baikonur> kdp: but it worked at first, can you tell me how to restore the default settings?
[10:11] <asylumn> I can see them briefly when logging in, but then they go away
[10:12] <kdp> hm, sorry, i dont have any idea
[10:12] <tck> Madeye, tune2fs
[10:12] <tck> baikonur, use synaptic and search for totem
[10:12] <baikonur> tck: I mean your gtstreamer-properties
[10:12] <tck> remove every instance of it and click remove configuration files also
[10:12] <tck> dont use gstreamer
[10:13] <tck> it would be the def. anyways if i did
[10:14] <asylumn> how can I get my tasklist panels to show up again? Or find out where they went?
[10:14] <baikonur> tck: okay, removed it
[10:14] <wfx> hi, is there a way to install mplayer without xmms?
[10:14] <kdp> is anyone's "about ubuntu" icon missing from "system"?
[10:15] <baikonur> tck: know xmms opens to play files, it plays but I can't hear anything
[10:16] <kdp> baikonur: look at your active process...is esd running?  and then look under "multimedia systems selector"
[10:16] <CarlK> when I connect to my ubuntu box with windows/putty, -'s are displaied as a+^  - any idea how I set it to show me the - ?
[10:17] <tck> baikonur, choose esound plugin from xmms preferences ?
[10:17] <b00gie> lol kdp u r right... wheres about ubuntu?:/
[10:17] <baikonur> kdp: yes, esd is running
[10:17] <baikonur> tck: yes, already choosed it
[10:17] <kdp> b00gie: hm, it mustve been in the update this morning
[10:17] <baikonur> kdp: but ps aux | grep alsa does not find anything
[10:18] <wfx> CarlK,  putty is a ssh terminal is sshd runing?
[10:18] <kdp> baikonur: in "multimedia systems selector", is esd choosen as the output device?
[10:18] <tck> baikonur, do you have any other programs open that may be using sound
[10:18] <CarlK> wfx - yes, I can connect and see text, just that a-b looks like aab (only 2nd a has a ^ over it)
[10:19] <CarlK> hmm, only in man pages
[10:19] <CarlK> when I hit -, i get -
[10:19] <CarlK> hmm, mayby it isn't -... man man shows -'s just fine
[10:19] <baikonur> kdp: yes esd as output and alsa as input
[10:20] <kdp> change input to esd?
[10:20] <baikonur> kdp: what should happen if I click on test?
[10:20] <kdp> and then you may have to reboot
[10:20] <kdp> it should give u a high frequency sound
[10:20] <GarySaved> I see in the list of available packages a package called 'Ubuntu-Live'  What would happen if I select it to install?
[10:20] <baikonur> kdp: no effect
[10:20] <wfx> CarlK, sorry dont know it sounds for me charcode missmatch (utf8 or something  like this)
[10:20] <kdp> and input to esd should sound....well...i never quite figured it out
[10:20] <kdp> you may have to reboot
[10:20] <CarlK> wfx - yeah..
[10:21] <baikonur> tck: no, no programs except for gnome
[10:21] <CarlK> man bash, "DESCRIPTION Bash  is  an  shcompatible"  I think that  is sposed to turn on/off highlighting or somethig
[10:23] <trans_err> is there anything I could use to automatically throttle down any external upstream traffic?
[10:23] <baikonur> kdp: rebooted but no difference
[10:23] <tck> trans_err, whats it in relation to a torrent
[10:23] <GarySaved> If I install the package 'ubuntu-live', will that let me make a live disk of my system?
[10:23] <tck> GarySaved, live is cd only
[10:24] <trans_err> tck: actually yes-- I have a 650mb daily upstream quota
[10:24] <kdp> baikonur: hm...did you follow the forum instructions exactly?
[10:25] <tck> trans_err, gnome-bittorrent allows you to select a cap for upload streams
[10:25] <GarySaved> tck, That is what I thought, but what is the 'ubuntu-live' package for?
[10:25] <tck> only allow 10k upload etc.. if thats what u mean
[10:25] <tck> GarySaved, read the description in synaptic
[10:26] <kdp> baikonur: actually, i have a better idea
[10:26] <baikonur> kdp: fine
[10:26] <kdp> try killing all esd processes first
[10:26] <wfx> OT: does anone know how i can continue a ed2k download with mldonkey?
[10:26] <baikonur> kdp: I just booted the live cd, there I have sound
[10:26] <kdp> then try using totem to listen to something
[10:27] <baikonur> kdp: I will try to have look at the settings there, maybe you can tell me the relevant config files
[10:27] <kdp> baikonur: config files for what?
[10:27] <baikonur> kdp: sound
[10:28] <Crock> how do I open a mol-kmods-0.9.70-3.src.rpm
[10:28] <kdp> its all available at the ubuntuforums link...
[10:30] <kdp> baikonur: just for info, what is your sound card?
[10:32] <baikonur> kdp: SIS SI7012 aplay -l says
[10:33] <kdp> oh well, there was only like a 1 in 10 gazillon chance ud have the same soundcard as me neway
[10:34] <baikonur> kdp: I think it is faster to reinstall the whole system
[10:34] <jordanau> i want to burn an audio cd, i need to convert to wav from mp3 before running nautilus-cd-burner right??
[10:34] <david__> about soundcard : how do you turn on the analog/digital output jack in alsamixer ?
[10:36] <kdp> baikonur: hahaha, yeah it sucks when that happens
[10:36] <kdp> david__: command "alsamixer"
[10:37] <jordanau> kdp, have you burned cd's in ubuntu?
[10:37] <david__> I know that, but I see the analog/digital output jack  but can't do anything with it
[10:37] <gratuit> jordanau: or check out this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044&highlight=mp3+k3b
[10:37] <jordanau> gratuit, thanks
[10:37] <n4cht> is nvidia-glx-config standard with all nvidia-glx packages, or is that specifically an ubuntu thing?
[10:38] <kdp> david__: press "m"
[10:38] <david__> eh thx
[10:38] <david__> "sound" silly thx again
[10:39] <kdp> np
[10:40] <arbeck> is there away to supress emails from cron jobs, or have them go to a different email address than localhost?
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> set your MTA to redirect
[10:41] <kdp> MTA?
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> or redirect the output from your cronjob to /dev/null
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> kdp: mail tranfer agent
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> it delivers the mail
[10:41] <beowuff> I was a BSD freak, but after reading the Unix Haters Manual, I think I'm converting over to Ubuntu...
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> beowuff: excellent :)
[10:42] <beowuff> Been using it at home, and loving it. But was wondering, anybody have World Of Warcraft running on Cedega?
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[10:42] <sj`> i even have wireless working in ubuntu with an unsupported card, i'm pretty impressed.
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> no problems at all
[10:42] <kdp> HrdwrBoB: redirecting to /dev/null sounds better, but I have no experience with chron jobs, how might I do this? or is there a site somewhere?
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> kdp: * * * * run.program &> /dev/null
[10:42] <beowuff> Cool, thanks. Will be giving WoW a try this weekend.
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> cron, not chron :)
[10:43] <kdp> oops
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> sj`: yeah ymmv with some wireless cards though :)
[10:44] <kdp> hrdwrbob: i assume i need to replace * and run.program with the specifics?
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> kdp: yes
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> well * maybe not, it will just run every minute
[10:46] <sj`> HrdwrBoB: yeah, i had to do alot of things to get it to work, upgrade kernel, try to find the driver cd hehe, get ndiswrapper, and play with wpa_supplicant, that took a while cause i didn't release i had to have ssid broadcasting working for wpa-psk with the aes algorithm for it to work with wpa_supplicant
[10:46] <tck> if only you wrote a HOWTO sj`  :P
[10:47] <sj`> 1. Buy a linux compatible wireless card
[10:47] <sj`> hehe
[10:47] <wfx> where do i find a jdk package
[10:47] <ewhitten> I think after about three weeks of my amd64 machine locking up at random, I think I fixed it.  Hallelujah!
[10:48] <wfx> found in wiki: build your own Java package for Ubuntu, ok why not :-)
[10:48] <ewhitten> any hoary amd64 users around?
[10:49] <kdp> hrdwrbob: now im confused...i went in the /etc/cron.daily folder, and after inspecting some of the files ive realized none of them specify output in the first place, so where would i put that line?
[10:51] <kdp> i really have no experience with this...
[10:52] <TomT64> Excuse me people, does anyone know php
[10:52] <TomT64> because this is like the only friendly channel on freenode that has the remote possibility of helping me out
[10:53] <TomT64> I need a regular expression that checks for a word, replaces it with a link, unless it's already within a link
[10:53] <tck> just call it ubuntu php
[10:53] <crimsun> TomT64: have you tried #php or ##php?
[10:53] <tck> and ask anyway :P
[10:53] <TomT64> And I don't know the first thing about regular expressions
[10:53] <TomT64> crimsun
[10:53] <TomT64> yers
[10:53] <TomT64> yes
[10:54] <TomT64> they basically said that they wouldn't answer
[10:54] <mjr> mmh, that's pretty much impossible to do (reliably) with regexes
[10:55] <kdp> ack! more problems...it seems my library broke after updating rhythmbox...did this happen to anyone else?
[10:56] <kdp> and now i cant delete the entrie to fix it
[10:56] <TomT64> mjr: can it be done in steps?
[10:57] <Tickle-> Can anyone tell me the difference between Warty and Hoary?
[10:57] <Manawyddan> hi.
[10:57] <TomT64> I can't get over how funny those names are
[10:57] <Tickle-> :)
[10:58] <TomT64> And I personally don't know the answer descriptively but I think one is a testing/unstable version
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> TomT64: hoary is the development version
[10:58] <gratuit> Tickle-: Warty is the last stable release, hoary has newer packages, but might be slightly less stable
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> which will be released in april
[10:58] <TomT64> there ya go
[10:58] <Tickle-> Thanks
[10:59] <david__> Hoary is pretty good
[10:59] <david__> It is the first linux to recognize my external hard drive out of the box
[10:59] <gratuit> I have had one total system freeze since running hoary(though I don't know what caused it)
[10:59] <TomT64> david__: nice
[11:00] <kdp> and its the first system to correctly identify my sound card
[11:00] <ewhitten> where would I change the module to load for my sound card?
[11:00] <ewhitten> (sorry if someone already replied, my broadband dropped)
[11:00] <gratuit> ewhitten: /etc/modules
[11:00] <wfx> one thing is bad the kernel option ide=reverse does not work on the install stage
[11:00] <TomT64> In php, I need to check for a word, replace it with a link, unless it's already within a link.  I dont' care if it's done with regexps, as long as whatever it is works
[11:01] <TomT64> Can anyone help with that?
[11:01] <TomT64> #php people don't like me
[11:01] <gratuit> TomT64: try #php
[11:01] <TomT64> in fact I think they don't like PEOPLE
[11:01] <gratuit> oh
[11:01] <kdp> TomT64: change your nickname
[11:01] <kdp> lol
[11:01] <david__> lol
[11:01] <TomT64> ha
[11:01] <black_Nightmare> ughhh... :|  not sure yet but I think my pc just went nonfunctional right now
[11:01] <TomT64> no I already asked
[11:01] <TomT64> They'd know it was me
[11:01] <kdp> aw
[11:01] <holotone> Has anyone else had a problem with installing Googlebar in Firefox running Ubuntu?
[11:01] <black_Nightmare> been wondering about an upgrade for quite some time thou..may as well as start planning that
[11:01] <Tickle-> So david__ you would recommend the Hoary over Warty?
[11:01] <TomT64> they're response is always TIAS, RTFM, or something liek that
[11:01] <david__> yes
[11:02] <david__> yes yes
[11:02] <Tickle-> ok
[11:02] <kdp> holotone: its installed by default
[11:02] <holotone> the padding is WAY to much for the buttons, and they all go too far down.
[11:02] <TomT64> so I came here where people are friendly :)
[11:02] <david__> but wait the release
[11:02] <david__> unless you have broadband
[11:02] <TomT64> holotone: what do you want googlebar for, I thought there was a toolbar already
[11:02] <gratuit> TomT64: have you tried looking for tutorials on the web?, that seems like it'd be a pretty common function
[11:02] <holotone> Because it's got lots more options built in, quick way to do backwards links, image search, etc.
[11:03] <TomT64> gratuit: I did look but maybe I'm not using the right search?  Can you see if you can find something and give me the search?
[11:03] <TomT64> because sometimes I don't think of the right words to use
[11:03] <gratuit> TomT64: I know abslutely nothing about php, nor do I want to
[11:03] <black_Nightmare> stupid question but...the hoary preview livecd doesn't touch the hd or ?
[11:03] <TomT64> gratuit: heh.  ok
[11:04] <TomT64> if you were looking for it what would you try
[11:04] <gratuit> TomT64: but you could try perlmonks.org if language doesn't matter
[11:04] <TomT64> hehe
[11:04] <TomT64> well it kind of does, since I don't know perl
[11:06] <Manawyddan> Does anyone know when it will came out(the final version of Ubuntu 5.04 i mean)?
[11:06] <tck> april
[11:06] <jordanau> anyone here use gnome baker?
[11:06] <gratuit> Manawyddan: 05.04 is a date encoding, 05 for the year, 04 for the month
[11:07] <wfx> jordanau, anything wrong with it?
[11:07] <Corvus> april 6th, isn't it ?
[11:07] <jordanau> i just started burning my first CD and the program doesn't seem to be responding
[11:07] <kdp> silly europeans and their silly way of doing dates :-)
[11:07] <jordanau> just wondering if it commonly does that
[11:08] <Coily> how do i resize my ext3 logical partition?
[11:08] <gratuit> jordanau: I've actually heard of it doing that before
[11:08] <wfx> btw i use the hdx=ide-scsi
[11:08] <jordanau> do you if it is running while it happens or if i need to kill it?
[11:08] <jordanau> there should be a "know" in there somewhere
[11:08] <Coily> anyone?
[11:08] <Manawyddan> gratuit: thanks .
[11:09] <black_Nightmare> umm I don't mean anything bad but...if you already own the games legally yourself is there any problem in using an emulator to play these real games instead of on the game console itself?
[11:09] <gratuit> jordanau: no idea, sorry
[11:09] <elmaya> try graveman it works nice
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> black_Nightmare: no
[11:09] <Coily> repeatin':
[11:09] <beowuff> That should be covered under the "Fair Use" act, but IANAL.
[11:09] <Coily> how do i resize my ext3 logical partition?
[11:09] <mjr> black_Nightmare, in these times of DMCA and EUCD, I don't really know anymore
[11:10] <msg43> hi
[11:10] <kdp> i would think if you used wine or something like that ud need the windows EULA
[11:10] <msg43> I need some hlep
[11:10] <msg43> I'm trying to install ubuntu but it hangs when It looking for wireless networks
[11:10] <black_Nightmare> hmm ty everyone anyhow.. I already have a PS2 but kinda wondering if I could sometimes just play them on a pc instead but...its just some thinking thoughts now
[11:10] <msg43> my wireless card is NOT supported by any linux distro. I need to use ndiswrapper
[11:11] <msg43> any ways how can I disable the installer from looking for wireless networks
[11:11] <Coily> ubuntu is pretty pre-packaged...
[11:11] <Manawyddan> does Ubuntu already suports jfs or xfs filesystems?
[11:11] <mjr> Manawyddan, yes
[11:12] <msg43> can anyone help me?
[11:12] <Coily> how do i resize my ext3 logical partition? ive got qtparted here...
[11:12] <St0n3-C0l> From Windows OR ?
[11:12] <Coily> ubuntu
[11:12] <St0n3-C0l> never did
[11:12] <gratuit> Coily: man parted, or read qparteds docs
[11:13] <msg43> is it possible to disable the wireless look up in the installer?
[11:14] <gratuit> msg43: don't repeat, most people here an still see your question in their buffer, if someone knows, they will answer you
[11:14] <tck> taken out the wlan card
[11:15] <gratuit> msg43: not sure, but you could try pressing ctl-c while it is looking, that will sometimes make startup processes move on
[11:15] <msg43> gratuit: that doesn't work the computer freezes
[11:15] <St0n3-C0l> gratuit: The same I was going to answer :P
[11:15] <msg43> like the keyboard leds and everything
[11:15] <St0n3-C0l> msg43: Try unpluggin your card
[11:16] <msg43> St0n3-C0l: I really don't wanna do that it a pci card
[11:16] <St0n3-C0l> ohh :P
[11:16] <msg43> is teh hoary preview pretty stable
[11:16] <msg43> I tried the hoary test 5 thing and it was really bad x was screwed up
[11:16] <kdp> i think so, but then again im using array 7
[11:17] <gratuit> msg43: It seems so to me
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> I am using hoary and its yet stable
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> I using the latest preview
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> Hoary Hedgeberg
[11:18] <tck> msg43 works fine for me
[11:18] <St0n3-C0l> Hoary Hedgehog** :P
[11:18] <beowuff> I'm downloading Preview 5 right now. Gonna try loading tonight.
[11:18] <St0n3-C0l> I was updating my system last night and there was the error "Some packages not available do you wanna continue"
[11:18] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[11:19] <msg43> so it imposible to tell it not to search for wireless networks
[11:19] <tck> msg43, what u mean
[11:19] <tck> your wlan card ?
[11:19] <tck> or integrated into laptop
[11:19] <_blue> when is the newest release of ubuntu due?
[11:19] <_blue> im thinking that's what imma triple boot to instead of archlinux
[11:19] <tck> prob. RC1 in a few days
[11:20] <Burgundavia> final release April 6
[11:20] <gratuit> msg43: you could try asking in the forums or on the user mailing list
[11:20] <Manawyddan> _blue :  see my questions above
[11:20] <alterim> anyone else have experience of getting these damn acx100/acx111 wireless cards to work with linux?
[11:20] <_blue> alterim: how much did yuo pay for the card?
[11:21] <msg43> tck: when the installer is trying to detect wireless networks the comptuer freezes
[11:21] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:21] <alterim> 22 ukp
[11:21] <msg43> so I want to not have the installer look for networks
[11:21] <msg43> or even like skip the network part
[11:21] <alterim> hehe i know what you are going to say next..
[11:21] <_blue> alterim: how much is the linksys wrt54g where you are at?
[11:21] <_blue> b/c with that you can just hack it into a client AP
[11:21] <tck> msg43, do you have an integrated wireless controller on your pc or laptop
[11:21] <alterim> roughly double
[11:22] <alterim> bout 40 ukp
[11:22] <_blue> alterim: how much is wireless worth to you, if you hack the wrt54g it works on ANY linux distro
[11:22] <msg43> tck: what do you mean I have pci card
[11:22] <_blue> no configuration required, just wired to router that wirelessly connects to your main router
[11:22] <alterim> wireless is essential right now
[11:22] <_blue> its like this
[11:22] <PacoBCN> hi there
[11:22] <alterim> i saw that linksys model today in the same shop i got the wireless pci
[11:23] <alterim> i do like linksys
[11:23] <Coily> is there a way to resize an ext3 partition with the ubuntu install disc (i could answer it by trying but maybe i can find out here, first?)
[11:23] <_blue> computer---wired--->router {wrt54g}----wireless--->main router---wired {modem}
[11:23] <msg43> tck if you have any advice would you msg it to me
[11:23] <_blue> it works on ANY linux distro as long as it supports your wired NIC
[11:23] <PacoBCN> I'm experiencing problems with wireless card with. I didn't have untill now that I reinstalled Ubuntu
[11:23] <aarplane> how do I apt-get in Ubuntu?
[11:23] <alterim> i have a netgear wireless router which works fine with linux too
[11:24] <msg43> I got to eat and if I don't right know I won't be alowed to eat later
[11:24] <alterim> so getting the linksys is pointless really
[11:24] <_blue> alterim: no you dont understand
[11:24] <St0n3-C0l> aarplane: Terminal OR use Synaptic
[11:24] <_blue> the only hackable firmware out there is for htelinksys
[11:24] <alterim> cables are just not an option at the moment
[11:24] <beowuff> aarplane, "sudo apt-get"
[11:24] <tck> msg43, take out the wifi pci card then
[11:24] <_blue> alterim is this a laptop?
[11:24] <alterim> no
[11:24] <Coily> <3 wrt45g
[11:24] <Coily> er 54
[11:24] <St0n3-C0l> beowuff: He departs
[11:25] <_blue> its just a wired connection to a router and wirelessly to the other router
[11:25] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[11:25] <_blue> you need TWO routers for it to work
[11:25] <Coily> is there a way to resize an ext3 partition with the ubuntu install disc (i could answer it by trying but maybe i can find out here, first?)
[11:25] <alterim> oh i see
[11:25] <_blue> its like connecting a usb cable to a wireless adapter like the linksys wusb11
[11:25] <_blue> except the adapter is bigger and the cable is variable, so you can maximize range and speed
[11:25] <alterim> in about one week i'll have a direct hardwired connection
[11:25] <beowuff> St0n3-C0l, That's what I get trying to help...
[11:26] <_blue> alterim: do a search for the linksys gaming adapter [wag54g??]  and linux
[11:26] <wfx> how do i break some install dependings
[11:26] <_blue> it essentially works OUTTA THE BOX for any distro you try as long as it supports your NIC
[11:26] <tot3lmon> bones
[11:26] <alterim> but for the next week or so i am temporarily (trying) to get the wireless pci card i bought for someone elses xp pc working
[11:26] <alterim> so this wireless thing it's a very short term need
[11:26] <joshua__> How do you keep a single window in the window list from taking up the entire panel in GNOME?
[11:27] <St0n3-C0l> yea
[11:27] <alterim> it would have been nice to get the net running on linux for the week that i am without my own room
[11:27] <kdp> joshua__: open another window?
[11:27] <kdp> lol
[11:27] <alterim> i may try ndiswrapper
[11:27] <joshua__> kdp:  Heh.  How do you keep it from taking up the entire panel when there are no other windows open?  It's driving me crazy.  So tacky. =P
[11:27] <Coily> asking... again
[11:27] <Coily> is there a way to resize an ext3 partition with the ubuntu install disc (i could answer it by trying but maybe i can find out here, first?)
[11:27] <wfx> good night :-)
[11:27] <alterim> yes coily
[11:28] <Jimbob> joshua__: Right-click on the little grabber thing next to the window item and go to properties
[11:28] <alterim> you can :)
[11:28] <Coily> alterim, excellent, thanks
[11:28] <black_Nightmare> any of you know of any problem with ubuntu and via unichrome vga?
[11:28] <Jimbob> joshua__: Shrink the "minimum size" and increase the "maximum size"
[11:28] <joshua__> Jimbob:  Thanks.
[11:28] <_blue> can anyone point me to a multiboot tutorial for ubuntu, specifically using lilo to triple boot mandrake, xp, and ubuntu
[11:29] <_chavo> _blue, do you have xp and mandrake installed already?
[11:29] <_blue> _chavo: yes...
[11:29] <_chavo> have you installed ubuntu?
[11:29] <St0n3-C0l> gr8 :P
[11:30] <_blue> does the ncurses ubuntu installer require you to install THEIR bootloader?
[11:30] <xerox> Just a question.  What modes should I use to get my user able to view my windows partition?  I'm trying with: rw,user,noauto  but it seems ineffective - even if the user can mount/umount the volume, he can't read/write anything in it.  It's ok about the writing part, it's an NTFS partition, but why he can't even read it?
[11:30] <_blue> _chavo: no i just got my ubuntu cd's
[11:30] <_chavo> _blue, it will set up grub for you.
[11:30] <LeeJunFan> _blue: if you use expert mode I think you can install lilo
[11:30] <LeeJunFan> _blue: otherwize it's grub.
[11:30] <_blue> leejunfan: so i have to use the entire install in expert mode?
[11:30] <kdp> xerox: have you tried the instructions @ www.ubuntuguide.org?
[11:30] <_blue> or i have to do just that section in expert mode
[11:31] <netguy> g'evening everyone
[11:31] <_chavo> _blue, I have mandrake and xp on this box, and the installer set up grub for me. well it was the kubutu installer.
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> _blue: afaik - perhaps someone else here knows otherwize? If you do expert mode it'll give you options for a lot more but you can just hit enter on everything and it'll do the same as a basic install.
[11:31] <_chavo> I'm not sure if lilo is even on the cd's
[11:31] <_blue> _chavo: so kubuntu just lets you triple boot?
[11:31] <_blue> automatically?
[11:31] <xerox> kdp: no, I'll readup, thanks.
[11:32] <_chavo> _blue, yes and then some
[11:32] <_blue> _so what's the advantages of kubuntu over ubuntu?
[11:32] <_blue> just the k environment?
[11:32] <joshua__> I clicked on computer -> network, and it had a "windows network" icon in there that was empty.  What on earth is that?  I never configured file/print sharing or anything of that nature, nor do I want to.  Though I do have a Windows machine behind my router.
[11:32] <black_Nightmare> hm
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> _blue: yep. just kde
[11:32] <_chavo> It read all of my mandrake lilo options and added them to the grub bootloader
[11:32] <St0n3-C0l> _blue: Yeah
[11:32] <St0n3-C0l> KDE :P
[11:32] <_chavo> yes everything else is the same
[11:32] <kdp> _blue: you get the distinction of having every application start with a K
[11:32] <_blue> interesting....although id be running flux not kde
[11:33] <_blue> but i use kde apps frequently though
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> as opposed to a G
[11:33] <_chavo> as opposed to not working
[11:33] <_blue> LOL, nerds with their requisite software tagging prefixes
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> _chavo: :)
[11:33] <yoko-omo> how do I install dl'
[11:33] <yoko-omo> d deb files?
[11:33] <apokryphos> dpkg -i
[11:34] <CappO> hello
[11:34] <_blue> what is ubuntu's equivalent to mandrake control center?
[11:34] <CappO> got a little problem, i just installed ubuntu on my laptop, now there seems to be a conflict while booting
[11:34] <LeeJunFan> _blue: bash
[11:34] <_blue> leejunfan: well mandrake has bash too
[11:34] <chavo> _blue, nothing like mcc
[11:34] <_blue> booyah
[11:35] <_blue> o, ok, thx chavo
[11:35] <CappO> at starting hotplug system it seems to hang
[11:35] <chavo> but I haven't missed it.
[11:35] <CappO> and there is no usb device connected
[11:35] <St0n3-C0l> Capp0: Conflict ??
[11:35] <St0n3-C0l> Between ?
[11:35] <_blue> chavo: i need something abit more advanced than mandrake, b/c i need a bit of a learning curve to get me exploring
[11:35] <chavo> Everything has worked out of the box for me.
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> _blue: best bet for most stuff is probably webmin since there's no MCC.
[11:35] <_blue> but archlinux seems just a bit too far out for me right now
[11:35] <chavo> _blue, you can learn on any linux system.
[11:35] <CappO> i though a conflict between my pcmcia and ubuntu
[11:36] <CappO> but it doesnt seem to be that
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> archlinux is only for i386 also - no amd64 ;)
[11:36] <CappO> but where does this hotplug subsystem stand for ?
[11:36] <_blue> leejunfan: 2.6 on this box
[11:36] <_blue> planning on upgrading to 3.2
[11:36] <ironwolf> just installed a system to hoary with an nvidia card geforce3 I believe.  I'm only seeing options for 640x480x60hz in screen resolutions after following the binary how-to.  What do I try next?
[11:37] <CappO> any id St0n3-C0l
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> apt-get synaptic if you don't have it also. it's like rpmdrake ;)
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> apt-get install synaptic - that is.
[11:37] <chavo> ironwolf, it's most likely your monitor settings that are holding you back
[11:38] <_blue> leejunfan: i guess ill be waiting a couple more weeks then :)
[11:38] <St0n3-C0l> sory was awaY
[11:38] <chavo> yes synaptic is better than kynaptic.
[11:38] <_blue> i hear the new release is gonna be killer
[11:38] <_blue> :)
[11:38] <ironwolf> chavo: this runs 1600x1200 in windows on the other partition.  What do I look for/change?
[11:38] <LeeJunFan> chavo: yeah, kynaptic blows.
[11:38] <LeeJunFan> chavo: at least at it's current version.
[11:38] <chavo> but they're still working on it I guess
[11:38] <St0n3-C0l> Capp0: Maybe hotplug trying to detect something
[11:38] <LeeJunFan> chavo: it looks pretty though :)
[11:38] <erock> hello, can someone help me with the grub boot loader
[11:39] <Levander> Is PHP5 not in the hoary repositories?
[11:39] <LeeJunFan> chavo: for what that's worth.
[11:39] <CappO> yea but everything is connected then when i was installing ubuntu
[11:39] <chavo> LeeJunFan, if you install the gtk-qt engine, synaptic will look nice also
[11:39] <chavo> well it will look like a KDE app anyway
[11:39] <TomT64> Levander: you know how to use regexps?
[11:39] <CappO> should i do the install again without the pcmcia wifi card , wich was being detechted perfect
[11:40] <Levander> TomT64: some, why
[11:40] <Levander> ?
[11:40] <TomT64> let me priv msg you
[11:40] <Levander> okie...
[11:40] <sandyeggoboy> anyone installed onto a gateway Profile III??
[11:40] <erock> hello, can anyone plz help with grub question
[11:40] <St0n3-C0l> detechted ?
[11:40] <sophie_msumu> HELLO
[11:40] <CappO> detected :)
[11:40] <black_Nightmare> lol
[11:40] <sophie_msumu> i need some help on gdesklets
[11:41] <LeeJunFan> chavo: just did - didn't seem to work. Perhaps I need a logout/in
[11:41] <St0n3-C0l> No idea bout that
[11:41] <St0n3-C0l> Try it Ubuntu takes hardly 1 1/2 hours :P
[11:41] <CappO> idd
[11:41] <St0n3-C0l> u did ?
[11:41] <chavo> LeeJunFan, go to the settings dialog and tick Use another style, then tick Use my KDE style
[11:41] <thomis> hello no french?
[11:42] <chavo> it doesn't set it up by default for some reason.
[11:42] <St0n3-C0l> CappO should i do the install again without the pcmcia wifi card , wich was being detechted perfect => ?
[11:42] <erock> anyone familiar with the command line entry for kubuntu on grub boot loader?
[11:42] <CappO> yea cuz i thouh that sometimes give some faults
[11:42] <CappO> if you install when some sort of hardware is inserted
[11:42] <CappO> in a laptop
[11:43] <sophie_msumu> can some help on "gdesklets" please ?
[11:43] <punkrockguy318> sophie_msumu, what's the problem
[11:43] <chavo> sophie_msumu, just ask, if any one knows tye answer they will tell you
[11:43] <thomis> format c:
[11:43] <thomis> :)
[11:43] <joshua__> Will installing fluxbox automatically configure it to be x's default?
[11:43] <CappO> when the starting hotplug is busy , i see my wifi card gets detected, led goes on, and then not much
[11:43] <sophie_msumu> punkrockguy318, got them installed but they don't work
[11:43] <St0n3-C0l> I don't have a laptop :P
[11:43] <thomis> rm -rf /
[11:43] <chavo> thomis, c: ?
[11:43] <msg43> tck: I'll guess I'll only take it out if the preview of hoary doesn't fix it
[11:43] <black_Nightmare> does hoary preview livecd only do read-only access to any present hd?
[11:43] <St0n3-C0l> format C:/q :P
[11:43] <CappO> lol i really need some help on this one
[11:43] <ironwolf> chavo: Monitor settings?  Where do I look to adjust those?
[11:43] <erock> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 says i need a 'root' location
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> chavo: yeah - I did. Although I probably need to do that as root in kcontrol?
[11:44] <St0n3-C0l> erock: I think it'll automatically put the entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:44] <chavo> LeeJunFan, it depends if you're running as root, or using sudo
[11:44] <mmHg> anybody know how to adjust the time it takes for a panel to unhide when the mouse rolls over it?
[11:44] <sophie_msumu> punkrockguy318, don't know how to launch them
[11:44] <Matrix_Soul> hi
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> hmm
[11:44] <LeeJunFan> chavo: got it :) Thanks.
[11:44] <Matrix_Soul> anybody knows how to add a launcher to the applications menu in hoary?????
[11:45] <joshua__> If I install fluxbox, will it automatically become x's default?
[11:45] <chavo> ironwolf, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <apokryphos> query Pyre
[11:45] <chavo> joshua__, no
[11:45] <msg43> Matrix_Soul: you have to add a .desktop file some were in /usr/share I'm not sure which folder though
[11:45] <sophie_msumu> Matrix_Soul, all is in the right clik
[11:45] <kdp> matrix_soul: theres a menu editor available at http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/
[11:45] <joshua__> chavo:  Thanks.  Don't want it to>  Just makin sure. :)
[11:45] <apokryphos> darn
[11:46] <kdp> sophie_msumu: you cant add anything to gnome right now by right clicking
[11:46] <goof1> I need help getting hoary to use 1024x768 on my laptop.
[11:46] <sophie_msumu> kdp joking
[11:47] <kdp> oh
[11:47] <kdp> oops
[11:47] <kdp> :-)
[11:47] <msg43> goof1: I can help you
[11:47] <msg43> even thought i don't use hoary it all universal beacause related to X
[11:47] <goof1> msg thanks
[11:47] <msg43> would you like my help?
[11:47] <goof1> 1msg43 please
[11:47] <ironwolf> chavo: who came up with 3547X4079 for resolution ;)
[11:48] <msg43> goof1: may I message you
[11:48] <black_Nightmare> ROFL
[11:48] <kdp> lol
[11:48] <kdp> ......wow........
[11:48] <sophie_msumu> kdp know about gdesklets ?
[11:48] <msg43> goof1: betteer yet would you message me?
[11:48] <chavo> ironwolf, I don't know, that's a lot of pixels.
[11:48] <goof1> yeah. not that familiar with irc. tell me how?
[11:48] <kdp> sophie_msumu: not really, i couldnt get them to work properly...so i just gave up
[11:48] <geneo93> si which of the menu editers do i want
[11:48] <apokryphos> msg43: you can do it all right here, you know. :P
[11:48] <msg43> apokryphos: I know
[11:48] <apokryphos> and if someone asks for help, surely they want it ;-).
[11:48] <kotatsu> anyone here using mdadm in hoary?
[11:49] <kotatsu> I'm having some issues getting my raid devices to come up at boot
[11:49] <msg43> goff1: just do /msg msg43 your message
[11:49] <ironwolf> chavo: yeah, and it's a wrong aspect... just from looking at the #s. ... weird.
[11:49] <sophie_msumu> kdp, i can't do so. i am fucking maniac
[11:50] <LeeJunFan> sophie_msumu: who's maniac? :)
[11:50] <kdp> sophie_msumu: have you tried searching the forums?
[11:50] <sophie_msumu> me
[11:50] <chavo> well I am, mostly in the morning though.
[11:50] <kotatsu> /dev/md0 doesn't exist at the time mdadm-raid is executed (rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid) and it fails, but once hotplug runs it can find /dev/md0 just fine
[11:50] <St0n3-C0l> we use grub-install /dev/hda to install in MBR record right ??
[11:50] <kotatsu> anyone else run into that?
[11:50] <sophie_msumu> kdp I am in kinda forum right now
[11:51] <kdp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012&highlight=gdesklets+howto
[11:52] <kdp> er, thats for sophie_msumu
[11:52] <ironwolf> chavo: thanks dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg worked.
[11:52] <chavo> cool
[11:52] <plagerism> Okay, tried to run vmware today(it ran a few days ago), now I get these error messages :/usr/bin/ldd: line 95: /usr/bin/lddlibc4: No such file or directory
[11:52] <plagerism> /usr/bin/vmware: line 189: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: No such file or directory/usr/bin/vmware: line 189: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: Success
[11:53] <plagerism> and if I try to run /usr/bin/lddlibc5 it says bash: /usr/bin/lddlibc4: No such file or directory, however the file is there
[11:53] <Bazzi> plagerism looks like your dirs got deleted by accident?
[11:53] <St0n3-C0l> anybody uses 3ddesktop ?
[11:53] <kdp> st0n3-col: i do
[11:54] <St0n3-C0l> is it good ?
[11:54] <mmHg> anybody know how to adjust the time it takes for a panel to unhide when the mouse rolls over it?
[11:54] <kdp> st0n3-c0l: yes...a bit of memory hog, but very cool
[11:54] <kdp> nice for impressing the windows friends
[11:55] <msg43> the hoary preview mirror is slow!
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> those aren't your friends  - friends don't let friends run windows.
[11:55] <St0n3-C0l> ahan
[11:55] <kdp> leejunfan: lol
[11:55] <St0n3-C0l> thanks :)
[11:56] <johnf> hello
[11:56] <kdp> st0n3-c0l: it may take some configuring for glx...what is your video card?
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> Intel
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> i810
[11:57] <msg43> is there a hoary preview mirrow other than opensourcemirrors
[11:57] <plagerism> Bazzi, no directories got deleted
[11:57] <plagerism> All the files it says it cant find, are there
[11:57] <Bazzi> plagerism that is weird, then
[11:57] <kdp> msg43: lots, check the ubuntu home page
[11:57] <johnf> how do I configure and change my grub boot loader?
[11:57] <Bazzi> maybe it cannot read them (privileges?)
[11:57] <msg43> kdp: is it possible to tell wget to use anthore mirror without stopping the download
[11:58] <Bazzi> johnf theres should be a /boot/grub/grub.conf if I'm not mistaken
[11:58] <CappO> again: i installed ubuntu on my laptop, while booting my laptop seems to be hanging on this line starting hotplug subsystem, any id anyone ?
[11:58] <plagerism> Bazzi, permissions are fine
[11:58] <kdp> oh i have no idea what wget is
[11:58] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[11:58] <St0n3-C0l> kdp: wget is a bot :P
[11:58] <kdp> i just use the firefox one
[11:58] <randy> yeah, that's a good question, in grub, how do you get the splash screen: i've seen it work in suse 9.0
[11:58] <St0n3-C0l> don't you know ?
[11:58] <plagerism> Bazzi, the strange thing is it was working a few days ago
[11:58] <kdp> randy: the splash screen for grub is crappy b/c it only supports....16 colors?
[11:59] <St0n3-C0l> msg43: You can do onething you can use wget -c url to resume after some time if u want to
[11:59] <johnf> Bazzi, its not there
[11:59] <Bazzi> johnf there must be some similar file :)
[11:59] <johnf> Bazzi, I found the dir but the file isnt there
[11:59] <kdp> randy: well, in my opinion at least
[11:59] <St0n3-C0l> johnf: pico /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:59] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[11:59] <Bazzi> I'm on windows right now I cannot check how the correct name is ;)
[12:00] <FishCrossing> so...anyone here?
[12:00] <Bazzi> yeah, that's the one ;)