[12:01] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: yeah. I hate windows, the only reason I keep it around is for games. Now I just wish vmware would get a 64 bit version so I can run my needed work software w/o rebooting.
[12:02] <LeeJunFan> I've got more wasted HD space on this right now. WinXP, kubuntu amd64, kubuntu i386, /home, swap, and vmware virtual machine that I can run in i386 :)
[12:52] <__punkrockguy318> hey
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> man what's up with kded spiking cpu every few secs?
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> err gam maybe.
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> heya narb :)
[02:42] <smouche> Weird thing happened to my desktop -- all icons have been replaced with single blue pixels.  The text remains.  Can anybody help me figure this out?
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i don't plan to ever use a modem, i can remove the ppp link from my rc2.d right?
[02:43] <smouche> control center icon settings seem normal...
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> now that is bizarre.
[02:44] <smouche> I don't mind the way it looks at all, but I'd at least like to be able to get rid of the pixel  --  ;-)
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> does everything look okay in /usr/share/pixmaps?
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> you have to think of things you might have done prior to this..
[02:45] <smouche> actually, BROKEN_LADDER , it looks like I fixed it 
[02:46] <smouche> set to "double sized pixels", then back to default.  Icons reappeared. Weird
[02:54] <membreya> has anyone here managed to successfully get klamav working? (the frontend for KDE with clamav)
[03:14] <regeya> trying to cut down on those numerous linux viruses, membreya?
[03:18] <regeya> that's pretty sweet that konq/kwallet's behavior is much like apple keychain/safari now
[03:24] <ericb_> is there any way to move from ubuntu to kubuntu witout a complete reinstall ??
[03:24] <ericb_> [hi all btw ;)] 
[03:25] <ericb_> I don't know modify apt sources or something
[03:32] <Quest-Master> ericb_: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <ericb_> thx
[04:41] <hitriko> hey guys, have any of you tryed to run a python setup.py file????
[05:48] <hayden> is there any graphical vpn software for kde/ubuntu?
[06:04] <membreya> grrrr amarok isn't playing mp3s
[06:09] <membreya> .....yet Juk has no problems :\
[07:07] <dimmak> anybody had any success whatsoever getting projectM to work in any linux distribution
[07:07] <dimmak> i would love to be able to use a milkdrop-esque visualizer with amaroK
[07:07] <dimmak> and i have never been able to get this mofo to compile
[07:08] <dimmak> you can get info on the project here: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/ProjectM_HowTo
[07:08] <dimmak> and here: http://xmms-projectm.sourceforge.net/
[07:27] <Imsdlea> im lost. i have updated and upgraded my ubuntu and I still get E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <Imsdlea>  when i try to run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <Imsdlea> ] i have chanced my sources.list to hoary as well
[07:30] <Imsdlea> ?
[07:40] <delltony> Riddell, you around?
[07:40] <delltony> if not anyone know if there is a ETA on the editmenu being fixed?
[08:14] <phxguy> Doesn anybody knoow how to configure the sound system so that the volume is control using master instead headphones?
[08:21] <delltony> i have been trying to get that working for ages i don't think its possible with kmix
[08:24] <dimmak> i don't have that bug
[08:24] <dimmak> i just have master and pcm unmuted
[08:25] <dimmak> and cd, phone, and aux unmuted in input
[08:25] <dimmak> is this a laptop problem?
[08:38] <hayden> how do i get multiple monitors to work with kubuntu?
[08:42] <dimmak> what kind of graphics card?
[08:42] <dimmak> seems like specific to the graphics card driver
[08:42] <dimmak> no matter what linux distribution you use
[08:43] <dimmak> and if it is nvidia... there documentation says what options to use in your xorg.conf or xfree whatever file
[08:45] <hayden> its ati radeon igp
[08:45] <dimmak> well have you installed the ati linux driver?
[08:46] <hayden> how
[08:46] <dimmak> i have no experience with ati graphics cards... so i can only point you in their direction
[08:46] <hayden> ok
[08:46] <dimmak> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[08:47] <dimmak> that is their linux driver page
[08:47] <hayden> ok ill check it out
[08:48] <dimmak> don't expect spectacular results... i have heard a lot of problems with ati and linux
[08:48] <hayden> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[08:48] <hayden> my bad
[08:49] <dimmak> good luck
[09:02] <delltony> dimmak, i gues sit is a lappy problem not sure
[09:02] <delltony> but master doesn't do jack on my system
[09:02] <delltony> if there was a way to change what hte kmix slider controls i would be happy
[09:03] <delltony> cause id set it to control pcm
[09:03] <delltony> and it would work fine
[09:03] <dimmak> i am gonna see if my lappy does it
[09:04] <delltony> hayden you trying to install the ati drivers?
[09:04] <delltony> and if so warty or hoary and i hope hoary
[09:04] <hayden> hoary
[09:04] <delltony> ok
[09:04] <delltony> do cat /etc/issue and tell me the results
[09:04] <hayden> i looked for the notebook ati drivers but i couldnt see them
[09:05] <hayden> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[09:05] <delltony> i can send you the file
[09:05] <delltony> ok
[09:05] <hayden> ok
[09:05] <delltony> let me send you the deb that i aliened
[09:05] <hayden> ok 
[09:05] <delltony> its from ati's site if youd on't trust me
[09:06] <hayden> i trust ya
[09:06] <delltony> give me a sec to find it hang on
[09:06] <hayden> ok
[09:07] <dimmak> my laptop audio in kmix has master, headphone, and pcm unmuted... it is via 82c686a/b rev50
[09:07] <delltony> damn let me find th is deb
[09:07] <hayden> lol
[09:08] <delltony> there you go 
[09:08] <dimmak> i do find google's desktop search impressive
[09:08] <delltony> hopefully it sends
[09:08] <delltony> is it sending?
[09:09] <hayden> yep
[09:09] <delltony> ok it will take a little while cause i'm downloading the u2 concert
[09:09] <delltony> in any case open up kedit
[09:09] <dimmak> i asked this earlier when no one was around, but has anybody got projectM working on any linux distribution?
[09:10] <hayden> thats cool
[09:10] <delltony> you have it open?
[09:10] <hayden> yea
[09:10] <delltony> when your ready to type some notes let me know
[09:10] <hayden> ready
[09:10] <delltony> first and foremost
[09:11] <delltony> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[09:11] <dimmak> bah... skip that one
[09:11] <dimmak> haha
[09:11] <delltony> skip it?
[09:11] <dimmak> no
[09:11] <dimmak> i am an asshole
[09:12] <delltony> after its backuped then
[09:12] <delltony> shut down  kde by doing the following
[09:12] <hayden> yea
[09:12] <delltony> in a shell (terminal) type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:13] <delltony> it will drop you to a complete shell asking you to login
[09:13] <delltony> do so as normal
[09:13] <hayden> yep
[09:13] <delltony> when you are at the shell type the following
[09:14] <delltony> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i fglrx-6-8-0_8.10.19-2_i386.deb
[09:14] <delltony> wait for it to install
[09:14] <hayden> yep
[09:14] <hayden> the file transfer has failed
[09:14] <delltony> once installed then you want to cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
[09:14] <delltony> damn
[09:14] <delltony> xchat support resume?
[09:14] <hayden> dunno
[09:15] <hayden> im using Konversation
[09:15] <dimmak> you should setup a self seeding torrent for it or something instead
[09:15] <delltony> blah 
[09:15] <dimmak> not as convenient to setup though
[09:15] <dimmak> ha
[09:15] <delltony> ill fileshare it
[09:15] <delltony> and let him kget it with flashgot if needed
[09:16] <hayden> konversation resumes
[09:16] <dimmak> oh cool
[09:16] <delltony> ok so where was i
[09:16] <dimmak> chewbacca is a wookie
[09:16] <delltony> you got the cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod ?
[09:16] <hayden> ysa
[09:16] <hayden> yea
[09:16] <delltony> ok
[09:16] <delltony> then sudo sh make.sh
[09:16] <delltony> this will make the module
[09:16] <delltony> oh
[09:17] <delltony> FIRST
[09:17] <hayden> ok
[09:17] <delltony> UNINSTALL THE FGLRX THAT UBUNTU HAS INSTALLED
[09:17] <hayden> how
[09:17] <delltony> before you do anything else
[09:17] <delltony> sudo synaptic would be easiest for ou
[09:17] <delltony> if you don't have synaptic
[09:18] <delltony> then sudo apt-get remove fglrx
[09:18] <delltony> once its removed then proceed with step one i gave you
[09:18] <dimmak> delltony: if you are able to get projectM working on your machine and are ever able to talk me through it... i will luv you so much:-)
[09:18] <hayden> delltony: couldn't find package
[09:18] <delltony> type apt-cache search fglrx
[09:19] <delltony> hang on
[09:19] <hayden> xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:19] <delltony> thats the one
[09:19] <delltony> remove it
[09:20] <hayden> done
[09:20] <delltony> note when you update at times you will get errors with libmessa
[09:20] <hayden> yep
[09:20] <delltony> you must do the following to get around the issue
[09:20] <delltony> at least this is how i have found it
[09:20] <hayden> ok
[09:20] <delltony> you take and uninstall the driver your installing (module)
[09:20] <delltony> then reinstall the xorg one
[09:21] <delltony> update
[09:21] <delltony> then reinstall the ati one
[09:21] <delltony> thats the only way i have found to work around it thus far
[09:21] <hayden> hmm ok
[09:21] <delltony> its really not that bad once you get the hang of it
[09:21] <delltony> but the xorg one is buggy
[09:21] <delltony> for one
[09:21] <hayden> yea
[09:21] <delltony> fglrxconf makes a xfree file instead of xorg
[09:21] <delltony> i have reported it several times on bugzilla but anyway
[09:22] <hayden> yea
[09:22] <delltony> now
[09:22] <delltony> what step are we on
[09:22] <delltony> i got side tracked
[09:22] <hayden> cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
[09:22] <delltony> ok
[09:22] <delltony> sudo sh make.sh
[09:22] <delltony> in that dir
[09:22] <delltony> when its done and all goes well which it should
[09:22] <hayden> yep
[09:23] <delltony> then cd ..
[09:23] <delltony> you should then be in the /lib/modules/fglrx dir
[09:23] <hayden> yep
[09:23] <delltony> then type sudo sh make_install.sh
[09:23] <delltony> this will make the modprobe module
[09:24] <delltony> once its complete
[09:24] <hayden> ok
[09:24] <delltony> then install the module by typing
[09:24] <delltony> sudo modprobe fglrx
[09:24] <delltony> the module will now be loaded
[09:24] <delltony> now
[09:24] <delltony> reason i said backupu your xorg
[09:24] <delltony> you need to now type sudo fglrxconfig
[09:24] <delltony> and answer the questions 
[09:25] <delltony> it will ask you about your mouse
[09:25] <hayden> yep
[09:25] <delltony> your keyboard
[09:25] <delltony> and so forth
[09:25] <delltony> make sure the settings are correct
[09:25] <delltony> if needed look at the display section of your old xorg file
[09:25] <delltony> by doing a sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.config_back
[09:25] <delltony> and compare it
[09:25] <hayden> yep
[09:26] <delltony> you can edit the file later if needed
[09:26] <delltony> like for resolution and such
[09:26] <delltony> once its done it will make a new xorg.config file
[09:26] <delltony> it should put it in /ect/X11/
[09:26] <delltony> if not it will be in the current working dir
[09:26] <hayden> ok
[09:27] <delltony> must do a sudo mv xorg.config /etc/X11/xorg.config
[09:27] <delltony> and then after that is done
[09:27] <delltony> type kdm
[09:27] <delltony> and have fun
[09:27] <hayden> ok thanks
[09:28] <delltony> np
[09:28] <delltony> with this driver the ati opengl and all wrks
[09:28] <delltony> with the xorg one its slow as bork
[09:28] <delltony> and you need to resume the send
[09:28] <delltony> its on 80
[09:29] <hayden> ok thanks
[09:29] <delltony> how i have my xorg setup is really simple
[09:29] <hayden> yea
[09:29] <delltony> everything is default except the keyboard the mouse
[09:29] <delltony> and the hsync
[09:29] <delltony> the vsync
[09:30] <delltony> and the tvout i set to y
[09:30] <delltony> i have yet to get that to work though
[09:30] <hayden> hmm ok
[09:30] <delltony> and i set the resultion to 7654321
[09:30] <delltony> then after its done
[09:30] <hayden> lol
[09:31] <delltony> go to and edit the file
[09:31] <delltony> to the correct ones
[09:31] <delltony> the didn't have a default 1680x1050 for me
[09:31] <delltony> so i put it in
[09:31] <delltony> manually
[09:31] <delltony> just remember if it fails
[09:31] <hayden> ye
[09:32] <delltony> just sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx-driver
[09:32] <delltony> and your back to where you started
[09:32] <delltony> anyway later on
[09:32] <hayden> yep
[09:32] <hayden> done and done
[09:32] <hayden> ill give it a go
[09:32] <hayden> hopefully it works
[09:34] <delltony> well it shuld if you just kill kdm and bring it back up
[09:34] <delltony> it should work fine
[09:34] <delltony> after you do the fglrxconfig stuff
[09:34] <hayden> yep
[09:34] <delltony> now that will be 50 bucks or a nice hooker your choice
[09:34] <hayden> hahah
[09:35] <hayden> now im going to have to write this stuff down
[09:35] <hayden> before i close kde and kedit with it
[09:35] <delltony> nah
[09:35] <delltony> thats why i told you to make the file
[09:35] <delltony> you can cat notes 
[09:35] <delltony> in the shell
[09:35] <hayden> k
[09:35] <delltony> like if its called installnotes
[09:35] <delltony> you type cat installnotes
[09:35] <delltony> and read it
[09:36] <delltony> you can do cat installnotes | less
[09:36] <delltony> and scroll if needed
[09:36] <delltony> what i would do is type screen
[09:36] <delltony> and screen it
[09:36] <delltony> so you can type ctrl a c
[09:36] <delltony> and switch between screens
[09:36] <delltony> but anyway
[09:37] <delltony> switch screens with ctrl a spacebar
[09:37] <delltony> man screen for more info
[09:37] <hayden> ok
[09:37] <delltony> thats how i program and all 
[09:37] <delltony> i have another programmer screen into me
[09:37] <delltony> ssh mybox
[09:37] <delltony> and then screen 
[09:38] <delltony> and we can work on the code in real time
[09:38] <hayden> ok cool
[09:38] <delltony> yep
[09:38] <hayden> well im going to try this now
[09:38] <delltony> another cool thing
[09:38] <delltony> you can export DISPLAY=:0.0
[09:38] <delltony> and then from a ssh you can type something like firefox or whatever
[09:38] <hayden> yea
[09:38] <delltony> and the output will export to your screen
[09:38] <delltony> instead of the remote screen
[09:39] <hayden> yea
[09:39] <delltony> so basiclaly you can use the applications from the server
[09:39] <hayden> yea
[09:39] <hayden> thats pretty cool
[09:39] <hayden> ill try this be back soon
[09:39] <delltony> well i'm off for now its 3am
[09:39] <delltony> but that should work if you follow the steps right
[09:43] <ubuntu> bjr
[09:59] <xLobeznox> hi
[09:59] <xLobeznox> k3b is broken in hoary
[10:00] <xLobeznox> I had same problem before in k3b in sarge debian, now is fixed, they have a newer  version
[10:00] <xLobeznox> ubuntu's one is broken
[10:00] <xLobeznox> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[10:01] <xLobeznox> gives me this message when I try to make a cd-a with mp3
[10:01] <xLobeznox> when adding the files
[10:15] <Roey> hey all
[10:15] <Roey> is konq-plugins going to be built anytime soon?
[10:22] <buz> how do i get a sane build environment onto kubuntu? i want to build some stuff myself
[10:22] <buz> i can't seem to find any sources in the repository, for one
[10:28] <buz> there should be an update to thunderbird me thinks. there's still 1.0 in the reps and there are known holes that got patched in 1.0.2
[10:34] <Roey> jeez
[10:34] <Roey> python-kde3 isn't there is it.
[10:34] <Roey> great.
[10:35] <Sime> Roey: the python bindings for 3.4?
[10:35] <Roey> right.
[10:35] <Roey> my python code won't run
[10:35] <Sime> yeah, I noticed. I've got some KDE-python stuff I want to test/debug on kubuntu
[10:35] <Roey> because the bidings aren't there
[10:35] <Roey> ok
[10:36] <Sime> are you working on something interesting with python + kde?
[10:36] <Roey> Sime:  also, it's extremely hard to get wacom tablets working properly with kubuntu
[10:36] <Roey> VOODOO i'm telling you.
[10:36] <Roey> Sime:  well I had two projects:
[10:36] <Roey> Sime:  very small scripts really;
[10:36] <Roey> Sime:  first one:  lists all your open konqueror sessions
[10:37] <Sime> dcop?
[10:37] <Roey> Sime:  second one:  translates from hebrew to english and back 
[10:37] <Roey> Sime:  two versions of the first one:
[10:37] <Roey> Sime:  1) python script that made system() calls to dcop commands
[10:37] <Roey> Sime:  2) python program that imported dcop and used its functionality
[10:37] <Roey> both versions are here:
[10:39] <Roey> http://roey.freeshell.org/mystuff/util/klist
[10:39] <Roey> (that's version (2))
[10:40] <Sime> cool.
[10:40] <Roey> version (1) I can't seem to put up at the moment because Freeshell seems down.
[10:40] <Sime> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance
[10:41] <Roey> Sime:  you do guidance???
[10:41] <Roey> (but first, lemme just say that one could use 'klist' as a DCOP+python primer)
[10:41] <Roey> mayeb I should just write an article using it as an example.
[10:42] <Roey> Sime:  cool
[10:42] <Roey> !
[10:42] <Roey> I've seen your project before actually
[10:43] <Roey> when I was investigating the different configuration frameworks
[10:43] <Roey> it's nice to have found a python-based one!
[10:43] <Roey> (for a change)
[10:43] <Roey> (i.e. instead of C++ or even worse, gtk-c)
[10:44] <Sime> yeah,
[10:44] <Roey> and I've been meaning to contact the project lead (who turnes out to be you, heh :)
[10:44] <Sime> if you want to write an article about using Python + KDE, that would be great.
[10:44] <Roey> ah
[10:44] <Roey> not dcop but kde rather?
[10:44] <Sime> there isn't much intro docs for it. Which is a pitty.
[10:44] <Roey> I can take my simple other program (ktirgum.py)
[10:44] <Roey> YES
[10:44] <Roey> hmm
[10:44] <Roey> there was a post I did
[10:45] <Roey> on the Dot
[10:45] <Roey> about more "pythonic" bindings...
[10:45] <Sime> i remember vaguely
[10:45] <Roey> see, these bindings feel awkard because they're just straight ports from C++
[10:45] <danboid> Hi!
[10:46] <Sime> that is Phil and Jim's policy about PyQt and PyKDE.
[10:46] <Sime> it is already a lot of work to get where the bindigns are now.
[10:47] <Roey> http://dot.kde.org/1108778399/1108791534/
[10:47] <Roey> ok
[10:47] <Roey> Sime:  I understand the need for consistency between the ports of the bindings
[10:47] <Roey> Sime:  at the same time I think that it hampers my style
[10:47] <danboid> I installed the latest hoary last night, then apt-getted kubuntu-desktop. Why does KDE seem to take so much longer to boot on my ubuntu box than under kanotix- they're both very similiar spec machines?
[10:48] <Roey> maybe one does prelinking? maybe one is for amd64-generic and the other specificlaly for athlon64?
[10:48] <Roey> btw..
[10:48] <Roey> is athlon64 faster than amd64-generic ?
[10:49] <Sime> Roey: it would be nicer if some things were more pythonic. 
[10:49] <Sime> Roey: but that is more a question of manpower.
[10:50] <danboid> MAYBE it just seems longer coz kubuntu doesn't show those icons when KDE starts to boot, I've not actually timed it but it is longer
[10:50] <Sime> Roey: i.e. there isn't enough.
[10:50] <buz> danboid: actually, with the update of yesterday, it now shows the bootup icons. but beware, it trashed my taskbar config
[10:51] <danboid> buz: Is there any quick tweak I can perform to get KDE booting faster?
[10:51] <danboid> -under kubuntu?
[10:51] <buz> probably not
[10:54] <buz> enough ram (at least 512mb) surely helps
[10:54] <buz> swapping kills performance
[11:20] <danboid> I've seen pics of a KDE desktop with a icon panel mimicking the OSX app chooser- anyone know what this prog is called?
[11:20] <dimmak> i just encountered something lovely... "root logins are not allowed"... any ideas how to remedy this?
[11:22] <dimmak> i can startx if i use a console... so much for the welcome screen
[11:30] <dimmak> i had to delete and readd my user account
[11:30] <dimmak> blah
[11:30] <dimmak> and weird
[11:31] <dimmak> don't know what caused it
[11:35] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: root logins aren't allowed by default on (k)ubuntu
[11:35] <dimmak> yeah... and i don't know how my default user account became one
[11:35] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: me either, that's strange
[11:36] <dimmak> i had to delete the account, since i when i tried setting it back with KUser the settings wouldn't stick
[11:36] <dimmak> but that was simple enough
[11:39] <dimmak> and now the sudo password is different from su
[11:46] <dimmak> how can i manually set the sudo password?
[11:47] <dimmak> nm
[11:47] <dimmak> found it in the wiki
[11:52] <chtitux> hello
[11:53] <chtitux> I have installed Xfce and I want to come back to KDE
[11:54] <chtitux> but Xfce is the default wmanager ... Where can I change that ? There is bothing about it in kdmconfig in kconfig 
[12:06] <dimmak> i found out why my account went to shit.. apparently it is not a good idea to add yourself to the users group
[12:06] <dimmak> this is retarded
[12:07] <dmoyne> How to change police size in Gnome applications that I use in KDE ?
[12:20] <dimmak> well i can't get sudo working properly at the moment... affects the whole system... have to invoke every graphical program requiring sudo privileges from a su console... since apparently everything relies on sudo... so i can't just click administrative mode and put in a password
[12:23] <dimmak> kde user manager sure is effing things up
[12:27] <dimmak> i want sudo working... wah
[12:30] <dimmak> well i guess this can be declared a super awesome bug.... if you add any additional group membership to your account with kde user manager you are gonna jack it all up
[12:35] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: can you su?
[12:36] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: if so, add your user account to the "wheel" group and you'll be able to sudo
[12:38] <dimmak> i can sudo again... but i don't know why
[12:39] <dimmak> but i am in the control center... and i can't enable adminstrative mode on anything
[12:40] <dimmak> now i can sudo just fine
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: make sure you upgrade to the most recent packages...there was a bug with administrator mode they fixed recently
[12:40] <dimmak> alright
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: not to mention, administrator mode requests your root password but you need to give it your user password as its patched to use sudo
[12:40] <dimmak> i figured it was using sudo
[12:40] <dimmak> but either way... it wasn't responding to any password
[12:41] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: ah.  well like I said make sure your user is in the wheel group, and make sure you have your system fully up-to-date
[12:42] <dimmak> do you get a bug where if you add more group membership to your account... it totally messes it up?
[12:43] <dimmak> my would get turned into a root account... and everything would be empty
[12:43] <dimmak> *mine
[12:44] <dimmak> so i had to remove my user account and re-add just to be able to login with it and not get "root logins not allowed"
[12:45] <Quinn_Storm> dimmak: well I added groups with command-line tools so I don't know
[12:45] <dimmak> i guess i will have to stick to that
[12:46] <thomaskorwed> dude i used a few pickup lines on her from http://www.picupx.com/ it was that easy
[12:46] <thomaskorwed> oops
[12:47] <thomaskorwed> ignore that all, wrong chatroom
[12:47] <membreya> lol thomaskorwed :P
[01:48] <Bizzeh> is kdevelop part of the default install with hoary
[01:48] <xxenon> anyone else has a problem with Kontact/Kopete being empty ? (like if KPart was found)
[01:51] <vishal> no chance of getting animated bootsplash into kubuntu?
[01:52] <Quinn_Storm> vishal: i'm sure you can install it if you recompile the kernel but somehow I doubt that's what you are looking for
[01:52] <vishal> yea, me lazy 8-P
[01:53] <vishal> i think im supposed to do mkinitrd or something... scares me
[01:55] <Quinn_Storm> vishal: well there is the debian repository at bootsplash.de but that still doesn't cover recompiling the kernel with the bootsplash device...I thought about doing it once but I'm too lazy to compile the kernel too
[01:55] <Quinn_Storm> not to mention I almost never reboot
[01:55] <vishal> 8-}
[01:58] <Gof> hello.
[01:58] <vishal> 'lo
[01:58] <Gof> a friend of mine as a normal version of Ubuntu
[01:58] <vishal> apt-get install kde-desktop or something like that
[01:58] <Gof> i tell him   apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    like it is said in the FAQ
[01:59] <Gof> but the result is 
[01:59] <Gof> E: impossible de trouver le paquet kubuntu-desktop
[01:59] <vishal> maybe apt-get update first
[01:59] <Gof> vishal: ah yeah, thanks
[01:59] <vishal> but im a n00b as it is ... and using debian system first time today
[01:59] <Gof> i never used debian system
[02:00] <vishal> yea, i was on mandrake 10.0 til now
[02:02] <srid> How do I run the complete kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:02] <vishal> download kubuntu 
[02:02] <srid> How do I *remove* the complete kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:02] <xxenon> pleae check these shots : http://www.opengl.ch/kopete.png and http://www.opengl.ch/kontact.png
[02:02] <xxenon> any clue ?
[02:02] <vishal> oops
[02:02] <srid> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop just removes the meta package
[02:03] <srid> but I need to remove the whole KDE desktop
[02:03] <vishal> apt-get uninstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:03] <vishal> why would you want to do that?!
[02:03] <Bizzeh> is kdevelop part of the default install with hoary
[02:03] <ataxic> thats what i was thinking
[02:03] <srid> vishal, I don't like KDE
[02:03] <ataxic> errr??
[02:04] <vishal> then get windows
[02:04] <vishal> or go back to bsd
[02:04] <vishal> hehe
[02:04] <vishal> srid, try superkaramba with tuxbar... drool
[02:04] <srid> vishal, not enough memory
[02:05] <vishal> hehe
[02:05] <srid> vishal, i meant to say KDE is very complex
[02:05] <Bizzeh> anyone?
[02:05] <srid> (interface)
[02:05] <vishal> no Bizzeh 
[02:05] <srid> going back to IceWM
[02:05] <vishal> apt-get install kdevelop 
[02:05] <Bizzeh> <3
[02:05] <ataxic> icewm is nice  with the right theme
[02:05] <vishal> icewm , you might as well go back to DOS
[02:05] <vishal> 8-P
[02:07] <srid> can anyone tell me how to 'remove' the whole kubuntu-desktop?
[02:07] <vishal> try #anti-kubuntu
[02:08] <Bizzeh> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php tells you how to install
[02:08] <Bizzeh> so
[02:08] <Bizzeh> guess how you uninstall
[02:08] <Bizzeh> anyway
[02:08] <psn_laptop> srid: if you want to get rid of kde just uninstall kdelibs
[02:08] <vishal> once you're in you cant go back
[02:08] <Bizzeh> why go kubuntu if you dont like kde? just use standard ubuntu
[02:09] <srid> yes, that's what I am going to do .. kubuntu has installed a lot of shit
[02:09] <vishal> ubuntu has gnome in it?
[02:09] <psn_laptop> srid: so will ubuntu, but gnome in that case
[02:09] <srid> psn_laptop, Package kdelibs is not installed, so not removed
[02:09] <srid> psn_laptop, gnome is nice 
[02:10] <vishal> question: how do i get the sonypi module into kubuntu? for sony laptop?
[02:10] <psn_laptop> srid: if you say so
[02:10] <strongob> how can i configure apt-get to be used with a proxy?
[02:10] <srid> ok, I should remember that I am in #kubuntu :P
[02:10] <srid> before I quit, just tell me a way to remove all of kubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <Bizzeh> I already have Ubuntu installed, how can I get Kubuntu?apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <Bizzeh> so
[02:11] <strongob> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <strongob> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[02:11] <strongob> Construction de l'arbre des dpendances... Fait
[02:11] <strongob> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet kubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <srid> or at least how to switch back to 'gdm' from 'kdm' ?
[02:11] <Bizzeh> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[02:12] <vishal> strongob: do apt-get update first
[02:13] <strongob> apt-get update
[02:13] <strongob> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[02:14] <vishal> no parlez francais mercy beau coup
[02:14] <vishal> moi parlez englais
[02:14] <strongob> Reading of packages list... done
[02:14] <vishal> ok now try... apt-get install blah
[02:15] <strongob> Reading of packages list... done
[02:15] <strongob> Building of dependance tree... done
[02:15] <strongob> impossible to find package blah
[02:15] <vishal> LOL
[02:15] <vishal> not blah
[02:16] <vishal> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <strongob> it does the same
[02:17] <vishal> strongob: get windows
[02:17] <vishal> 8-P
[02:21] <srid> $ apt-get install windows
[02:21] <srid> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:21] <srid> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:21] <srid> The following dependent packages will be installed:
[02:21] <srid>   windows-virus-pack billg-special-spyware-pack
[02:21] <srid> Do you want to continue? [Y/yes-of-course] 
[02:37] <BamaJank> anyone able to direct me to where I might find the MS Core Fonts for Kubuntu?
[02:44] <Bizzeh> is http://kopete.kde.org/ a stunt to try and make big corps that dont care, care?
[02:48] <psn_laptop> Bizzeh: yup same as mplayer
[04:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[04:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos, how is it ?
[04:11] <apokryphos> Hi. Yup, it's all good. And for you?
[04:12] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes fine thanks! just got home from visiting my old hometown...(former) Malmo (across Copenhagen) windowshopping, a new cap, new pants :)  
[04:12] <apokryphos> Cool stuff. I might be going to Copenhagen for a few days this summer.
[04:13] <ztonzy> apokryphos, aah...takes about an hour for me to go by train
[04:13] <apokryphos> Cool. Not sure how long it takes by plain; around two hours, I predict.
[04:13] <ztonzy> apokryphos, knowing someone there ?
[04:13] <apokryphos> Nope; a few friends went last year, and we all decided that we might go this year.
[04:15] <apokryphos> Looks pretty cheap, which was the main plus.
[04:15] <ztonzy> fun
[04:15] <apokryphos> hopefully ;-)
[04:15] <apokryphos> ztonzy: have you tried kpackage?
[04:15] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm dont know, why ?
[04:16] <apokryphos> It's another GUI front-end for apt (like synaptic/kynaptic). I'm kinda wondering why it's not default (kynaptic is, in kubuntu). Could you try it and tell me what you think of it?
[04:17] <apokryphos> Kynaptic is really primitive; I know they're thinking of improving it, but it seems like an unnecessary hassle if there's a k-app out there that seems reasonable.
[04:17] <psn_laptop> apokryphos: it's a pain to use
[04:17] <apokryphos> psn: why? I tried it in the past and didn't like it, but tried it yesterday and today and I think it's pretty nice.
[04:17] <ztonzy> apokryphos, how to install it ?  in repostries ?
[04:17] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yup
[04:18] <psn_laptop> apokryphos: well I've just used the rpm part of it...
[04:18] <ztonzy> wow
[04:19] <ztonzy> finally seems Kynaptic have correct fontsize...wonder what happened
[04:19] <apokryphos> heh. That was fixed some time ago... when was the last time you used it? ;)
[04:19] <ztonzy> apokryphos, aah, I have seen it before...
[04:20] <buz> kpackage is much better than kynaptic
[04:20] <apokryphos> Yeah, I think so too.
[04:20] <buz> and synaptic looks fugly on kubuntu
[04:20] <apokryphos> Not quite sure why devs have rejected it... 
[04:21] <apokryphos> buz: I got it to look nicer before when gtk engines qt package applied to it, but that's stopped since last dist-upgrade. Fugly, indeed.
[04:21] <ztonzy> apokryphos, a lot better ...visualizing what's installed and where...but how can I view what's not installed from repositries ?
[04:22] <buz> mh today it wouldnt even show buttons for me, it would react to clicks, but not show where there is a button, aside of the caption
[04:22] <buz> gtk crap
[04:23] <apokryphos> ztonzy: heh, good  question. Lemme play around with it for a bit.
[04:24] <ztonzy> ok
[04:26] <apokryphos> Ok
[04:26] <apokryphos> Going to "New" shows only packages that are not installed
[04:26] <apokryphos> packages with the "U" are ones that can be updated, and the others are installed packages
[04:26] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes I saw that too
[04:27] <apokryphos> I especially like the way that you can (as with kynaptic) more easily filter; i.e. better search.
[04:27] <apokryphos> (I thought "new" might denote packages newly added to repos, but that's not the case)
[04:30] <apokryphos> has some really nice stuff; nice way of handling repos
[04:30] <apokryphos> (to a certain extent :P)
[04:32] <ztonzy> apokryphos, tested your wecam yet ?
[04:32] <YuXeL> i've a little problem, when i use [tab]  on kosnole it completes the path, but adds a blank line at the end, is there a way to fix it ?
[04:32] <apokryphos> Not yet; only just got back from work when I signed on.
[04:33] <apokryphos> YuXeL: I believe all Terminals do that
[04:33] <YuXeL> it outputs like that
[04:33] <YuXeL> "vi /etc "
[04:34] <apokryphos> or, at least Linux consoles. I don't think there's an option to stop it doing that.
[04:34] <YuXeL> when i write vi /et and press tab
[04:34] <YuXeL> i want it to do it like
[04:34] <YuXeL> "vi /etc/"
[04:34] <YuXeL> it was like that on debian
[04:34] <apokryphos> it should do that. Do you have something in / called et?
[04:35] <YuXeL> nope
[04:35] <apokryphos> Folders should be autocompleted with a "/" at the end, but there should be a space for *files* at the end.
[04:36] <apokryphos> And it does this for all things? Try the same in a different folder, for something else...
[04:36] <YuXeL> thats the problem, that /etc directory completed like "/etc " not "/etc/" on kubuntu
[04:36] <YuXeL>  /etc is an example
[04:36] <apokryphos> Something is wrong with your konsole, then. Check if the same thing happens in another terminal
[04:36] <YuXeL> it's same on all directories
[04:36] <apokryphos> say, xterm.
[04:36] <markc> fwiw, gentoo does cd /et -> cd /etc/ correctly
[04:37] <apokryphos> Yeah, all Linux terminals should.
[04:37] <apokryphos> (it's fine here)
[04:37] <markc> in konsole, I meant to add
[04:38] <markc> is kubuntu a udev-only system by any chance ?
[04:39] <YuXeL> apokryphos: same on xterm and console
[04:39] <YuXeL> let me search more
[04:40] <apokryphos> Konsole and xterm use the same shell, so I think there's something wrong with your shell (not with your konsole terminal).
[04:40] <YuXeL> echo $SHELL
[04:40] <YuXeL> gives /bin/bash
[04:41] <apokryphos> yeah, that's correct.
[04:41] <YuXeL> hm
[04:41] <YuXeL> i run a /bin/sh term and everyhing fine here
[04:41] <YuXeL> so i think theres a problem with bash
[04:41] <YuXeL> let me update it
[04:42] <apokryphos> Sounds like it
[04:43] <cuco> hello
[04:43] <mikmak> hello :)
[04:44] <cuco> jhi
[04:50] <mikmak> installing kubuntu in vmware is a bit funky
[04:50] <cuco> install it into qemu then
[04:50] <mikmak> first it does not autodetect BusLogic (so no scsi hard drive detected)
[04:51] <mikmak> i got it running
[04:51] <mikmak> but it was funky :)
[04:51] <mikmak> then grub is not properly installed on the scsi drive it seems
[04:51] <mikmak> (error 18 :)
[04:52] <mikmak> installing on an IDE drive works a lot better
[05:10] <_d4vid> how i can enable default icons on kde ? 
[05:10] <_d4vid> i mean.. Home.. trash.. 
[05:12] <_d4vid> hello .. anyone at home ? 
[05:12] <_d4vid> )
[05:12] <apokryphos> _d4vid: you can just create them. Shortcuts.
[05:12] <_d4vid> ok 
[05:12] <_d4vid> :p
[05:12] <apokryphos> Right Click > Create New > Link to Application
[05:13] <apokryphos> *Location
[05:14] <mikmak> hmm default user cannot run X
[05:14] <mikmak> "Cannot move old log file ..."
[05:19] <mikmak> what should I do if kde refuses to start ?
[05:19] <mikmak> it starts everything, then crash and gets back to kdm :) (i never see the desktop)
[05:21] <_d4vid> apokryphos, thnx
[05:21] <apokryphos> np
[05:40] <mikmak> hmm kicker is the one to blame apparently :)
[05:46] <buz> sheesh, stay away from doing /list in konversatio
[05:46] <buz> it will chew up all cpu for ages
[05:47] <buz> finally killed it
[05:47] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:47] <buz> what is the best irc client for kde anyway
[05:47] <kmanTFM> kvirc
[05:47] <buz> i've tried ksirv, kvirc, konversation and found them all to be somewhat usable
[05:47] <apokryphos> konversation is my favourite, and the msot advanced as far as I can see.
[05:48] <apokryphos> *most
[05:48] <buz> ksirc seems more flexible
[05:48] <kmanTFM> irssi is my facovite unfortunately it does not come with gui flavor just text
[05:48] <buz> but konversation is easier
[05:48] <kmanTFM> *favorite
[05:49] <kmanTFM> does konversation know perl scripting ?
[05:50] <kmanTFM> i know ksirc's engine is written in perl, but never relally used konversation before
[05:50] <buz> i think it does
[05:50] <buz> i don't care much for scripting though
[05:51] <apokryphos> kmanTFM: I think it is, yes.
[05:51] <apokryphos> *does
[05:51] <buz> HTF do i use irc in kopete?
[05:51] <buz> i could add an account but now i don't see it?
[05:52] <apokryphos> You just add the account, and connect there
[05:52] <apokryphos> It's not too nice; little primitive, but usable.
[05:52] <buz> but it doesnt show up
[05:52] <buz> i still see my icq contacts but nothing else
[05:52] <buz> aaah now
[05:52] <apokryphos> it wouldn't show anything in contacts
[05:52] <buz> down in the status list
[05:52] <apokryphos> Yeah; you connect, and then join channels from there.
[05:53] <buz_> now lets see
[05:53] <apokryphos> :P
[05:53] <buz> doesn't seem worse than konversation at first sight
[05:53] <buz> and i only need to run one app ;-=
[06:03] <buz_> sheesh what kind of crap is this. kopete will send nickserv commands (incl password of course) to channels!!
[06:11] <apokryphos> Hm, I never noticed that.
[06:11] <apokryphos> It was the slowness in kopete that I didn't really like; also -- multiple windows for channels is annoying when you have many.
[06:12] <apokryphos> reconnecting was bad, too. (non-existent)
[06:12] <buz> you can group channels using tabs just fine
[06:12] <buz> but sending pws to channels is unacceptable
[06:13] <apokryphos> Oh, didn't know kopete has capability of tabs.
[06:13] <buz> apropos kopete, how can i dock it ICQ like to the edge of the screen WITHOUT having other apps go over or under it?
[06:14] <apokryphos> erm, what?
[06:14] <buz> in windows IM clients, you can move them to the edge of the screen
[06:15] <buz> they will dock there and subsequently prevent other apps from using that part of the screen
[06:15] <buz> like always on top but it also prevents fullscreen apps from getting partly under it
[06:16] <apokryphos> There might be something in Alt + F3 > Advanced > Special Window Settings... but don't really know
[06:16] <buz> tried that
[06:16] <buz> it would do weird stuff after that
[06:16] <apok> I don't see how it types nickserv commands to the channel
[06:17] <apok> I can type straight to server from here...
[06:17] <buz> well I could see them there and the other guys laughed about it ;-)
[06:17] <buz> so obviously, it did
[06:17] <apok> You likely forgot the / ;)
[06:17] <apok> I just typed one now, and ya'll didn't see it
[06:19] <apokryphos> tabs is nice though; didn't know about that.
[06:19] <buz> essentially that's what i loved about trillian on windows
[06:19] <buz> helps unclutter your taskbar
[06:20] <Quinn_Storm> heh, oddly enough, though I use tabs for my browsing and IRCing, I don't like it for messaging
[06:20] <apokryphos> Same here, actually. :P
[06:20] <buz> actually, it'd much prefer a small bar the bottom that simply shows whatever comes by and lets me respond to it
[06:20] <buz> but at least kopete can show me tooltips with new messages somewhere on screen
[06:21] <Quinn_Storm> I think its b/c I tend to use alt+tab rather than clicking at the taskbar...I dunno
[06:21] <apokryphos> Yeah, that's nice. Konvi can do the same with messages directed to you
[06:21] <buz> yeah i use that, too ;-)
[06:21] <buz> i would use kompose if my ati drivers could do composite
[06:22] <Quinn_Storm> buz: does kompose use composite for something now? oh yeah, for the "instant" screenshots and stuff...well maybe one of these days we'll get properly GL-accelerated X working, heh
[06:22] <apokryphos> Composite with kcontrol stuff is actually really sweet. Fade in/out of windows is seriously flash.
[06:22] <buz> what card do you use apokryphos ? nvidia?
[06:22] <apokryphos> Yeah
[06:22] <buz> i used to prefer ati
[06:22] <buz> but now under linux ill go the nvidia route, too
[06:23] <Quinn_Storm> heh I'm stuck with an old matrox g450, decent gl 3d support, but that's about it
[06:23] <buz> matrox used to have the best linux support
[06:23] <buz> but they havent released any decent card for a looong time (unless you need 4 screens and stuf flike that)
[06:23] <apokryphos> heh
[06:23] <Quinn_Storm> well this card is pretty old, but probably not that old.  I managed to get the tv-out working using matroxfb and have x set up to let that work alongside it
[06:24] <buz> i dont use tv out any more
[06:24] <apokryphos> Does anyone recall that Linux program that allows you to create videos of your desktop? Used it many eons ago, and have forgotten the name.
[06:24] <buz> i can't even be bothered to hook up my machine to the beamer these days.
[06:24] <Quinn_Storm> I figure I'll probably use it to play videos once in a while
[06:24] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: xvidcap or something?
[06:24] <buz> i only watch dvds anyway
[06:24] <Quinn_Storm> buz: I don't have a standalone dvd player
[06:24] <buz> much less stressful than software
[06:25] <apokryphos> That might have been it; will try it out.
[06:25] <buz> mine even does most mpeg4
[06:25] <buz> cost me like 60 and also drives my amp
[06:25] <apokryphos> ergh, broken dependencies
[06:25] <buz> plus free cd and mp3 player ;-)
[06:25] <Quinn_Storm> cool
[06:25] <buz> and its GF proof
[06:26] <apokryphos> I got a pretty decent Divx player not too long ago, which suffices for all movie-watching. :D
[06:27] <apokryphos> Monitor is decent, but TV is larger.
[06:27] <apokryphos> Out of interest, what do you both think of kpackage?
[06:27] <buz> better than kynaptic for sure
[06:28] <buz> synaptic might be more powerful but as i say, fugly
[06:28] <apokryphos> oh yeah; forgot that was you :P
[06:28] <apokryphos> more powerful in what sense?
[06:28] <buz> mhh dunno
[06:29] <Quinn_Storm> GF proof?
[06:29] <buz> maybe because all important stuff is there as icons ;-)
[06:29] <buz> does anybody have accellerator for qemu?
[06:30] <buz> full emulation is too slow on a 2ghz machine
[06:30] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: gf?
[06:30] <apokryphos> buz: not here
[06:31] <buz> girlfriend
[06:32] <buz> i also need a replacement for dvdshrink
[06:32] <buz> mine could probably deal with it too
[06:33] <buz> in fact she has had knoppix on her machine for a time. then got an ibook
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone had a problem tryin to connect to dalnet since running ubuntu?
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i ran slack, no problem.  now i can't join dalnet.
[06:43] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: any idea what the commands for default video are? To save me looking through the man ;)
[06:43] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: default video?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> last i tried dalnet - it was very flakey... but its been a long time
[06:44] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: default command, that is, with xvidcap. Or do I have to just convert these .XWDs?
[06:45] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: no idea
[06:45] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: just happened to know the tool's name
[06:45] <apokryphos> Oh alright; thanks anyhow. Will look up.
[06:50] <Roey> hey
[06:51] <Roey> the konq_plugins package:
[06:51] <Roey> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:51] <Roey>   konq-plugins: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-1ubuntu8) but it is not going to be installed
[06:51] <Roey>                 Depends: konqueror (>= 4:3.3.2) but it is not going to be installed
[06:51] <Roey>                 Depends: libkonq4 (>= 4:3.3.2) but it is not going to be installed
[06:51] <Roey>                 Depends: ark but it is not going to be installed
[06:51] <Roey> E: Broken packages
[06:51] <Roey> it's not yet built for ubuntu it seems.
[06:51] <Quinn_Storm> Roey: it works for me...make sure you have apt-get updated first
[06:56] <Roey> Quinn_Storm:  ?
[06:56] <Roey> I did
[06:56] <Quinn_Storm> Roey: so you have the newest info from the repositories? I assume you have universe & multiverse enabled, right?
[06:57] <Roey> multiverse??
[06:57] <Roey> here:
[06:57] <Roey> Quinn_Storm:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/cAIMY570.html
[06:58] <edulix> hi !
[06:58] <Roey> hi :)
[06:58] <Quinn_Storm> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse (you can replace the mirror with yours if you like)
[06:58] <Quinn_Storm> then apt-get update
[06:59] <Quinn_Storm> then apt-get install kde or whatever you want
[06:59] <Quinn_Storm> and make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed too
[07:00] <Roey> er
[07:00] <Roey> no
[07:00] <Roey> I have kubunt-desktop installed OK
[07:00] <Roey> konq_plugins is apparently not in the kubuntu system.
[07:01] <apokryphos> it's not; it's a kdeaddon
[07:01] <Roey> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:01] <Roey>   kdeaddons: Depends: atlantikdesigner (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: kaddressbook-plugins (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: kate-plugins (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: kdeaddons-kfile-plugins (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: kicker-applets (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: konq-plugins (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: ksig (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: noatun-plugins (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey>              Depends: vimpart (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <Roey> E: Broken packages
[07:02] <apokryphos> one of your repos is likely not functional
[07:02] <apokryphos> Here's mine: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntusources.list
[07:02] <Roey> ok
[07:02] <apokryphos> whoops
[07:02] <Roey> ?
[07:02] <apokryphos> Here's mine: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
[07:02] <MindZEye> I'm in the same situation with kdeaddons.
[07:02] <Roey> ok
[07:03] <Roey> and since we're both using ubuntu sources,
[07:03] <Roey> I suspect it just ain't in the official ubuntu repos.
[07:03] <apokryphos> It is
[07:03] <apokryphos> oh wait, not in the official
[07:03] <apokryphos> It's in Universe, I believe.
[07:04] <Roey> ok
[07:04] <edulix> I'm executing in KUbuntu in a P4 1.7 Ghz Mobile, 256 Mb of RAM and a 7200RPM HD. I have few things running: amarok, konversation, kopete, konsole & konqueror. what I find amusing is that "free" tells me that I'm already using 229 mb out of 289 of SWAP
[07:04] <edulix> is that normal ?
[07:04] <Roey> apokryphos:  I posted my list, like I said
[07:04] <Roey> apokryphos:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/cAIMY570.html
[07:04] <buz> yeah that seems about right, edulix 
[07:05] <MindZEye> apokryphos: Your sources.list looks pretty much the same as mine.
[07:06] <apokryphos> ok
[07:06] <apokryphos> Roey: I'm not quite sure why it's not working then; perhaps it is in Multiverse. 
[07:06] <Roey> apokryphos:  how are you updating from marillat's debs? I get this:
[07:06] <apokryphos> Roey: lemme know if you still have the problem with my sources
[07:06] <Roey> ailed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said /debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  
[07:06] <Roey> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said /debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  
[07:06] <Roey> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:06] <Roey> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907                                                                     
[07:06] <Roey> apokryphos:  with marillat's stuff yeah
[07:07] <apokryphos> Roey: just ignore it :P
[07:07] <apokryphos> though, you can use: "gpg --recv-keys 1f41b907 && gpg --export --armor 1f41b907 > /tmp/marillatkey && apt-key add /tmp/marillatkey " I believe
[07:07] <MindZEye> http://www.futurenotfound.com/sources.list
[07:07] <apokryphos> someone posted that on #ubuntu, so not really vouching for its functionality ;)
[07:07] <Roey> apokryphos:  and of course.. I have multiverse in there yet kdeaddons still gives that error.
[07:07] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: it worked for me (the gpg keys thing)
[07:07] <edulix> buz: Why is it normal to use so much swap ? the problem is that despite kubuntu works perfectly, but when I start using eclipse, its performance degrades to the point of making it unusable
[07:07] <buz> you need much more ram
[07:07] <apokryphos> MindZEye: Ok :P. Is there a problem?
[07:08] <buz> 512 is the minimum, if you want to use eclipse i'd go to 1gb right away
[07:08] <MindZEye> Roey: You've got an Athlon 64?
[07:08] <Roey> MindZEye:  that's correct
[07:08] <apokryphos> Roey: I didn't see multiverse in yours.
[07:08] <Quinn_Storm> heh I have 512MB ram and 1GB swap, rarely touch swap
[07:08] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: Ok, cool.
[07:08] <MindZEye> Perhaps there is the problem, as I also have an Athlon 64 and I have the same unsatisfied dependencies.
[07:09] <MindZEye> I would assume that Athlon 64 packages haven't been created yet.
[07:09] <buz> maybe there's not everything compiled for a64?
[07:09] <edulix> buz: I don't need more ram but for eclipse, really
[07:09] <apokryphos> http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_packages.pl?keywords=konq-plugins&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[07:09] <buz> eclipse itself uses like 150mb 
[07:09] <Bizzeh> why doesnt the ubuntu (5.04) default install(er) doesnt suport scsi
[07:09] <edulix> buz: my systems seems to be not touching swap at all
[07:09] <Bizzeh> -doesnt
[07:09] <apokryphos> That explains the problem guys :)
[07:09] <buz> you sure
[07:10] <apokryphos> it's not there for those architectures like buz says
[07:10] <edulix> buz: my systems seems to be not touching swap at all and I'm not using eclipse, but I'm alredy using 228 mb of swap. doesn't it sound wrong ?
[07:10] <buz> well as long as you don't switch processes, it's probably true
[07:10] <buz> in my case, xorg alonet takes up 120mb and i only have about 5 apps open
[07:10] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/4nn3YR13.html
[07:11] <buz> konversation another bloody 72mb but a lot of that is probably shared libs
[07:11] <Roey> MindZEye, apokryphos:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/4nn3YR13.html
[07:11] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: Hmm, I just tried it and I get: http://pastebin.com/263029 That's not right, is it?
[07:11] <MindZEye> I nearly cheered yesterday when I saw that kdeaddons was down as 3.4.  Until I noticed that those dependencies kinda buggered it up.
[07:11] <apokryphos> Roey: you're on 64... it's not added there. Check my link above.
[07:11] <apokryphos> MindZEye: it works fine here
[07:11] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: no, that's quite strange.  google a little more is the only solution I have since I did my setup once and promptly forgot how o_O
[07:12] <edulix> buz: I switch to amarok, kopete, konsole or konqueror  and I don't feel the swap at all
[07:12] <apokryphos> Sure, ok.
[07:12] <MindZEye> apokryphos: You've got an AMD64 then?
[07:12] <buz> mhh srtange
[07:12] <apokryphos> MindZEye: nope, I don't. Oh, you do?
[07:12] <MindZEye> [18:08]  <MindZEye> Perhaps there is the problem, as I also have an Athlon 64 and I have the same unsatisfied dependencies.
[07:13] <apokryphos> :P
[07:13] <apokryphos> sorry, missed that.
[07:13] <MindZEye> No worries. :)
[07:13] <Quinn_Storm> hehe, I love my 512MB ram...stupid board won't let me put more in though, just gets all crashy and stuff on me, don't know why...windows won't even boot
[07:13] <apokryphos> They'll likely do it soon.
[07:13] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: are you using different types of RAM?
[07:13] <apokryphos> Perhaps it's not supported
[07:13] <Quinn_Storm> hey, wait, wasn't there some kind of athlon problem on older athlon boards that caused large amounts of ram + agp to cause problems?
[07:13] <Roey> apokryphos:  I couldn't find reference to amd64 in your /etc/apt/sources.list... are you sure that that's the right link??
[07:13] <edulix> I really don't need more ram, I just want to know hy I'm using so much swap :P
[07:14] <apokryphos> Roey: The link I posted above that; one sec.
[07:14] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: they are all the same as far as I know...do you know anything about a problem w/ agp and athlon systems or something? windows works fine till it loads its video driver...
[07:14] <Roey> http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_packages.pl?keywords=konq-plugins&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[07:14] <Roey> that one?
[07:14] <apokryphos> Yup
[07:14] <Roey> ok
[07:14] <Roey> so it's not built for my arch then
[07:15] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: Sorry, no idea. But I know that some Motherboards support different RAM, but that all Memory sticks inside often have to be the same type.
[07:15] <apokryphos> Roey: precisely.
[07:15] <Roey> apokyphos:  thanks for the link
[07:15] <buz> so when i buy an athlon64 i better stick to x86 ;-)
[07:15] <apokryphos> no worries
[07:15] <buz> or use gentoo ;-)
[07:15] <Roey> apokryphos:  I hope it'll get there soon
[07:15] <MindZEye> Actually using Gentoo is worse, that's why I switched to Ubuntu.
[07:15] <buz> Quinn_Storm: what type of board have you got
[07:15] <apokryphos> I think it will, for PowerPC too, as one of the devs uses one.
[07:15] <Quinn_Storm> buz: abit KT7A-Raid
[07:16] <buz> mhh weird
[07:16] <buz> maybe the memory is bad?
[07:16] <buz> did you try memtest?
[07:16] <Quinn_Storm> buz: yeah, I booted from a gentoo cd w/ memtest86 on it and ran it for a while with no errors showing, as far as I know it completed a few passes
[07:16] <Quinn_Storm> buz: that's all the gentoo cd is good for
[07:16] <buz> i never quite got gentoo running either
[07:17] <buz> maybe i'll give it a chance when they finally (ifever) release their installer
[07:17] <Quinn_Storm> buz: I just didn't feel like wasting all that time, heh, besides kubuntu has everything I want (xorg, kde3.4, debian-based, etc.)
[07:17] <MindZEye> I have Gentoo running on an Athlon XP machine.  But with an Athlon 64 is just more pain than I ever wanted in a lifetime.
[07:17] <buz> Quinn_Storm: yeah same here
[07:17] <buz> tho a few choice packages i miss
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> buz: well you might be able to find them in alternate repositories...make sure universe/multiverse are enabled, and add marrilat (somewhere on the wiki), and try apt-get.org to search
[07:18] <buz> MindZEye: then i wont try it
[07:18] <buz> Quinn_Storm: i did
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> buz: what packages?
[07:18] <buz> wanted to install klibido but it wants to use newer libidn than in ubuntu
[07:18] <MindZEye> Gentoo has better support for Java IMO, which is probably the only reason why I'd prefer it.
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> MindZEye: that's b/c java is non-Free
[07:19] <buz> java works perfectly on my machine???
[07:19] <Quinn_Storm> buz: he means that its well integrated in the system, and slightly easier to d/l
[07:19] <MindZEye> Quinn_Storm: That's not my problem, so I don't see why it should be made my problem.
[07:19] <Quinn_Storm> MindZEye: then go with gentoo, its your choice.
[07:19] <buz> MindZEye: ur using a debian distro
[07:19] <buz> they have slightly twisted priorities
[07:19] <buz> at least mplayer and vlc are in universe
[07:20] <MindZEye> Yeah, it nearly meant I didn't got with Ubuntu, purely for that reason.
[07:20] <MindZEye> Like there are many more Java packages in Gentoo for things like Netbeans/Eclipse.
[07:21] <buz> eclipse is freer than the gpl ever will be
[07:21] <buz> but downloading it is pretty trivial
[07:22] <buz> there are many somewhat stubborn people in debian related projects
[07:22] <Quinn_Storm> buz: freer than the gpl?
[07:22] <MindZEye> Yeah, it's just the whole idea of having to do it manually each time a new release is available.  Rather than letting it be automagically dealt with like everything else.
[07:22] <buz> MindZEye: eclipse got its own auto updating facility
[07:22] <buz> Quinn_Storm: yeah, the CPL allows for commercial redistribution without source
[07:23] <Quinn_Storm> buz: ewww, bsd-ish
[07:23] <Roey> so
[07:23] <buz> i'll never use linux on servers if i can help it
[07:23] <edulix> buz: I trashed a bit with /etc/rc.*. could I have broken swap cleaning or something ? doesn't swapon clean itself the swap partitions it mounts?
[07:23] <MindZEye> buz:  Yeah, but it makes more sense to have the package management deal with shit like auto updates.
[07:24] <buz> edulix: it should
[07:24] <buz> it's not like swap is a filesystem really
[07:24] <edulix> yeah :P
[07:24] <Quinn_Storm> MindZEye: I agree with you there especially w/ the necessity of being root to really update an app
[07:24] <buz> i'd say that's a featur
[07:24] <buz> stops users from upgrading
[07:24] <buz> now the whole sudo stuff in kubuntu is slightly weird to me
[07:24] <edulix> I'll try to reboot init 2 and see how much swap is being used
[07:25] <ataxic> i dont use that sudo stuff
[07:25] <buz> especially because you can do sudo passwd ;-)
[07:25] <ataxic> dont see the point
[07:25] <buz> i only use kdesu for kpackage and synaptic
[07:25] <ataxic> i added a root instead
[07:25] <buz> chosing packages is nicer in the gui than the cli
[07:25] <buz> yeah me too
[07:25] <ataxic> and kdesu for apps yeh
[07:25] <buz> i found it pretty weird
[07:26] <ataxic> buz kynaptic is sweet yeh
[07:26] <buz> then figured sudo would work and simply set a root pw with it
[07:26] <buz> kynaptic is pretty crappy if you ask me
[07:26] <ataxic> same as synaptic
[07:26] <buz> kpackage and synaptic are much better
[07:26] <ataxic> does the same thing
[07:26] <buz> yeah but less options
[07:26] <Roey> here's my experience so far with ubuntu and kde:
[07:26] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/jAi70M59.html
[07:26] <ataxic> i like to use it all in kde style
[07:26] <ataxic> i hate gnome kinda stuff
[07:27] <Roey> ataxic:  same here
[07:27] <Quinn_Storm> if you have to use gnomish/gtkish stuff, at least install the gtk-qt engine
[07:27] <Roey> ataxic:  yet I use gaim and xchat because they have logging that kopete and konqueror do not.
[07:27] <buz> i can't stand gnome either
[07:27] <ataxic> Quinn_Storm: yeh, exception is for gimp
[07:27] <buz> Quinn_Storm: i have 
[07:27] <SeFoKumA> where is directory of plugins for macromediaflash for konqueror?
[07:27] <buz> but since yesterday, gtk-qt somehow doesnt work anymore
[07:28] <ataxic> gtk was written for gimp wasn't it
[07:28] <buz> yeah
[07:28] <buz> and it should NEVER EVER have been used for anything else
[07:28] <MindZEye> Kopete has logging.
[07:28] <ataxic> so lets keep it like that then
[07:28] <buz> i mean just look at gimp. possibly the worst ui ever.
[07:28] <Quinn_Storm> heh my exception is gaim
[07:28] <Quinn_Storm> I don't like kopete
[07:28] <ataxic> buz: it get slighty better with gtl-qt engine
[07:29] <ataxic> gtk
[07:29] <ataxic> they should make a QT version of gimp
[07:29] <ataxic> hehe
[07:29] <buz> well there's krita
[07:29] <buz> but they've been developping that for 5 years now and still didnt release a thing
[07:30] <ataxic> then put the whole project on a boat to the middle of the pacific, and then let france do nuclear tests on it
[07:30] <buz> LOOOOL
[07:30] <ataxic> bbl
[07:30] <edulix> oh now it's clear
[07:30] <apokryphos> Which reminds me, I should try out the preview
[07:30] <buz> preview of what
[07:30] <apokryphos> my brother tried it, says it's good, but primitive.
[07:31] <apokryphos> Krita
[07:31] <edulix> now I'm using 0 of Swap. apparently I was using so much swap because I had run eclipse before
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone show me a generic working smb.conf file?
[07:31] <buz> where can i get the preview?
[07:31] <buz> says they havent released anything yet
[07:31] <edulix> (I killed it badly, and most probably not totally)
[07:31] <apokryphos> cvs, I think. One sec buz.
[07:31] <buz> no binaries?
[07:31] <apokryphos> Almost certainly not.
[07:31] <buz> my box hasn't got any development tools on it
[07:31] <buz> building packages on debian is far too painful for my taste
[07:32] <apokryphos> heh
[07:32] <apokryphos> I can't actually compile it; don't have kde-devel, just realised.
[07:33] <apokryphos> Well for future reference, you can at least cvs, for sure.
[07:34] <Bizzeh> how do i install kdevelop?
[07:34] <Bizzeh> apt-get install kdevelop?
[07:35] <vishal> have you heard of this one? : apt-get a life ? LOL
[07:35] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: it's not packaged for 3.4 yet. There's a bug report, so they're on it.
[07:35] <edulix> Bizzeh: I would do a apt-cache search kdevelop before doing so
[07:35] <edulix> Bizzeh: but probably you should just apt-get install synaptic and use it
[07:36] <apokryphos> or apt-get install kpackage ;-)
[07:36] <Bizzeh> im not bothered about using 3.4, just wanna use kdev
[07:36] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: it's only packaged for 3.2. So if you're using 3.2, then you can install it.
[07:36] <vishal> apokryphos: k kpackage or kynaptic?
[07:36] <apokryphos> ergh, ignore me
[07:37] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: yes, you can install it. kdevelop3
[07:37] <apokryphos> vishal: kpackage is far more advanced.
[07:37] <vishal> how come its not on kubunut then?
[07:37] <vishal> ok will try it
[07:37] <Bizzeh> i want the full kdev, also wanna install win32 dev stuff in it too
[07:37] <apokryphos> vishal: very good question :). I plan on asking the devs soon.
[07:38] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Bizzeh uburestricted
[07:38] <Pyre> Bizzeh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <edulix> kpackage? i didn't know about that one. I just saw kynaptic and run away to synaptic hehe
[07:38] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: full kdev? 
[07:38] <apokryphos> edulix: I would too ;-)
[07:42] <Bizzeh> Pyre: whats the link for?
[07:42] <apokryphos> w32 stuff
[07:42] <Bizzeh> it can be installed tho cant it?
[07:42] <apokryphos> Yup; just follow the instructions there...
[07:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :)
[07:42] <apokryphos> hey
[07:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, doing something fun ?
[07:48] <Bizzeh> w32 stuff isnt on that page
[07:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: waiting for my stomach to settle ;). Not really; just reading kde wiki. Should check it out more often.
[07:49] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hehe...just had dinner too
[07:49] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: yes, it is. :)
[07:49] <Bizzeh> i cant find it
[07:49] <apokryphos> Ctrl + F > w32
[07:50] <apokryphos> it tells you the name of the package; the description and name of repositories is given above.
[07:50] <Bizzeh> also, whats default pass for root?
[07:50] <Bizzeh> it  didnt ask for one
[07:50] <buz> Bizzeh: try sudo passwd
[07:50] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: Ubu doesn't use root, it uses sudo. :)
[07:50] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Bizzeh ubusudo
[07:50] <Pyre> Bizzeh: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:51] <Bizzeh> sudo asks for a pass
[07:52] <apokryphos> Use yours
[07:52] <apokryphos> sudo is you with root priveleges
[07:52] <Bizzeh> ahh
[07:52] <Bizzeh> hmmn
[07:52] <Bizzeh> cant find kdevelop
[07:52] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: (i) are you on hoary; (ii) do you have Universe repository enabled?
[07:53] <Bizzeh> 1. yes, 2. im usualy a gentoo user (cant be bothered with all that compilation)
[07:53] <apokryphos> compilation?
[07:54] <apokryphos> kdevelop is in Universe repository; you'll have to enable it in your sources.list
[07:57] <Bizzeh> ok
[07:58] <Bizzeh> could i have a hint on how to do that
[07:59] <apokryphos> Sure :)
[08:00] <apokryphos> in /etc/apt/sources.list uncomment the line with "Universe"
[08:00] <Bizzeh> i never used debian before, or ubuntu
[08:00] <Insanitary> hello
[08:00] <Bizzeh> thats why i ask
[08:00] <Insanitary> I am new here
[08:00] <Insanitary> I would like to know, will a Winmodem work with Ubuntu?
[08:01] <Insanitary> A Lucent Winmodem
[08:01] <Insanitary> Coz i know it does not work on Mandrake
[08:01] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: I understa; no problem. We're here to help. :)
[08:01] <apokryphos> *understand
[08:02] <Insanitary> hello?
[08:02] <Insanitary> Can anyone help?
[08:02] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: it's talked through on here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:02] <psn> Insanitary: no idea
[08:02] <apokryphos> Insanitary: since this isn't a kde-specific question, it's worth trying in #ubuntu
[08:03] <Insanitary> k
[08:03] <Insanitary> thank you
[08:03] <apokryphos> no problem 
[08:03] <Bizzeh> im trying to get used to the debian style of doing stuff
[08:04] <Bizzeh> i used to hate debian because it was imposible to use
[08:04] <ztonzy> Bizzeh, apt-get stuff ;) ?  I know the feeling...so was I  now I love it
[08:05] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: It's quite simple really; it just requires a little diligence at first
[08:13] <buz> anybody ever tried syncing kontact with egroupware?
[08:14] <buz> i should use egroupwarewizard to set it up but i get
[08:14] <buz> egroupwarewizard: error while loading shared libraries: libegroupwarewizard.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:24] <Bizzeh> if i load a file in kate that is root owned, how do i save it without kate runing as root?
[08:25] <buz> not at all
[08:25] <chavo> you could change the ownership of the file, but that would be silly
[08:25] <Bizzeh> so, how do i run kate as root?
[08:25] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: sudo kate <file>
[08:25] <apokryphos> though, for me it's currently not working.
[08:26] <chavo> try gksudo
[08:27] <Bizzeh> ERROR: Communications problem with kate (it probably crashed)
[08:27] <apokryphos> chavo: ahem. kdesu :P
[08:27] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: you can get around it with running kdesu (or gksudo if you must :P).
[08:28] <chavo> oh yeah, kdesu will keep the password in the wallet.
[08:28] <apokryphos> if you use it ;)
[08:28] <buz> kdepim package is broken :-(
[08:28] <buz> no libegroupwarewizard.so in there
[08:28] <buz> mpf
[08:28] <apokryphos> buz: does it halt the installation?
[08:28] <buz> na
[08:29] <buz> i can't execute egroupwarewizard because of it
[08:29] <buz> wanted to try the integration
[08:29] <apokryphos> buz: better compile a bug report then
[08:29] <buz> where
[08:29] <apokryphos> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <buz> how can i clean my deb cached
[08:29] <buz> how can i clean my deb cache
[08:29] <apokryphos> apt-get clean 
[08:30] <buz> ah pretty obvious eyh
[08:30] <apokryphos> ;)
[08:32] <buz> there's already a report for it ;-)
[08:36] <apokryphos> ah, so I see.
[08:45] <Bizzeh> once i fixed sources.list
[08:45] <Bizzeh> is there anything i need to do to refresh the local db?
[08:46] <apokryphos> Yes. sudo apt-get update
[08:59] <Bizzeh> still cant find kdevelop
[08:59] <Roey> who maintains kdeaddons?
[08:59] <Roey> for kubuntu?
[08:59] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list for me?
[09:00] <apokryphos> the package is called kdevelop3, btw
[09:00] <psn> Bizzeh: kdevelop3 is in universe at least
[09:00] <apokryphos> Roey: erm, the team ;-). Not sure if it's specifically assigned to someone.
[09:00] <Roey> ok
[09:00] <Roey> can I ask that kdeaddons be built for amd64? :)
[09:00] <apokryphos> I doubt it; they all work on things, contributing.
[09:00] <Roey> s/ask/request
[09:00] <Roey> ok
[09:01] <apokryphos> Roey: Of course. They might be in the process of it already.
[09:01] <Roey> oh, ok
[09:01] <apokryphos> if it doesn't appear in the next few days, then I suggest asking, sure.
[09:01] <Roey> just wanted to know who is responsible for that one
[09:01] <Roey> I suppose apt-cache show would tell that
[09:01] <apokryphos> nah
[09:01] <Roey> ah
[09:02] <apokryphos> There's only three.. so just drop a comment on #kubuntu-devel or the Wiki sometime soon; better wait for a while, because kdeaddons for i386 was only recently packaged.
[09:02] <Roey> oh, ok then
[09:20] <Bizzeh> still cant find kdevelop
[09:20] <apokryphos> [20:00]  <apokryphos> Bizzeh: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list for me? ;)
[09:23] <Bizzeh> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vxloy013.html
[09:23] <Bizzeh> crap
[09:23] <Bizzeh> i uncommented wrong lines
[09:23] <apokryphos> You haven't enabled the Universe repository. :)
[09:23] <apokryphos> yup
[09:24] <apokryphos> A fellow Briton-resident? :P
[09:24] <Bizzeh> ?
[09:24] <Roey> Bizzeh:  rafb.net/paste is so cool
[09:24] <Roey> :)
[09:25] <apokryphos> Bizzeh: you've got the GB mirrors there, right?
[09:37] <_d4vid> hi all
[10:06] <_andreas> hi, is there any kdebconf.deb?
[10:12] <bhna> the admin-mod off knetworkconf is out off order.
[10:15] <apokryphos> bhna: hmm, someone noticed that the other day too (though it works fine for me here). For the moment, you can get around it by kdesuing kcontrol 
[10:18] <bhna> apokryphos: thank you for the tipp;-). wich deb version of kde do you use?
[10:18] <apokryphos> 3.4
[10:20] <bhna> yes 3.4. but wich the deb-version? the las ist ...ubuntu9. i have ... ubuntu3.  
[10:20] <apokryphos> Yeah, the latest.
[10:21] <bhna> then is apt-get upgrade my friend ;-)
[10:21] <apokryphos> I don't recommend updating just yet; there's a few problems with it altering some KDE settings.
[10:21] <apokryphos> (first time ever, but hey)
[10:23] <bhna> apokrypthos> ok than i have to wait, a little bit.
[10:23] <apokryphos> Nothing critical at all, just it mucks with a few settings; I'll let you know when it's alright to do so. :)
[10:23] <apokryphos> p.s. you can use TAB for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC
[10:26] <bhna> apokryphos: sorry ;-)
[10:26] <apokryphos> no problem at all :)
[10:28] <bhna> there are probs with guardog too. very big fonts, first-start-error-messages
[10:44] <yuxel`> hi, anybody here who can send me the /etc/bash_complete file ?
[10:55] <_tony> Hello, how ca I setup Kubuntu to use 1600x1200 resolution?
[10:57] <Shaquile> _tony: In /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
[11:00] <_tony> When I attemp to modify the file, I don't have the rights...
[11:01] <_tony> I'm using kate
[11:02] <_tony> It won't allow me to save the changes...
[11:02] <usual> in kde do I still put fonts in .fonts?
[11:04] <_tony> Hello Shaquile, are you still there??
[11:54] <MindZEye> Is there any kind of guide for converting a package made for one arch to another?