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| Skywind_ | hi, all | 04:14 |
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| jeffsch | hello Skywind | 04:20 |
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| Skywind_ | hello~, jeffsch | 04:49 |
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| froud-away | AFrican Greetings | 07:24 |
| Liz | kia ora | 07:25 |
| Liz | tho..im off again in a minute | 07:25 |
| Liz | i have the cooking bug today | 07:25 |
| Liz | so im baking up a storm | 07:25 |
| Liz | heh | 07:25 |
| froud | chocolate brownies please | 07:25 |
| Liz | how about chocolate chip cookies instead? | 07:26 |
| Liz | with nuts in it? | 07:26 |
| froud | cool | 07:26 |
| Liz | hot cross buns with chocolate chips in it | 07:26 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 07:26 |
| froud | nice to see you here again | 07:26 |
| Liz | as well as banana and coconut with nuts in it as well | 07:26 |
| Liz | greetings | 07:26 |
| froud | Burgundavia: hi | 07:26 |
| Liz | ill bbl | 07:26 |
| === Liz is away: I'm busy | ||
| === froud sips at hot mug of creamy coffee | ||
| Liz | ooh..coffee | 07:27 |
| === Liz runs off | ||
| Burgundavia | bah coffee | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | is 10pm here | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | coffee and other things might be a bad thing to have that time of night | 07:27 |
| === froud wonders why the mail box is so empty @08H17 | ||
| froud | but then you don't sleep | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | I do so! | 07:28 |
| Burgundavia | I was up at 8am this morning | 07:28 |
| Burgundavia | 8am PST that is | 07:28 |
| froud | Burgundavia: have to reaquired the habit of sleep again? I am happy to hear it | 07:29 |
| froud | just jibing dude | 07:30 |
| Burgundavia | np | 07:30 |
| Burgundavia | just out of idle curiosty, how many rands do you pay a month for adsl? | 07:31 |
| === froud check DNS, something is not right | ||
| froud | about ZAR 1000 in all 2 X 3GB | 07:31 |
| froud | hugely expensive for Africa | 07:32 |
| froud | that is one of the problems we have | 07:32 |
| froud | communications is expensive | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | $195 CAD | 07:32 |
| froud | it means that most of the country cannot afford access to the Internet | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | do you have a static IP? | 07:33 |
| froud | No | 07:34 |
| froud | sucks | 07:34 |
| froud | I have 512K down and 256 up | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | I get that $50 CAD | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | ~250 ZAR | 07:34 |
| froud | http://www.telkomsa.net/products/adsl_telkom_internet.jsp | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | for 100 I would get a static IP and about twice that | 07:35 |
| froud | yes | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | but Canada is one of the most wired counties on the planet | 07:35 |
| froud | well we are fighting a monopoly here http://www.hellkom.co.za/ | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | the telco here is ~3billion is debt building the ADSL network | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | but they are a virtual monopoly (they used to be the monopoly) and can afford it | 07:36 |
| froud | http://www.telscum.co.za/ | 07:36 |
| froud | But in Canada most people can afford even a dialup | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | true | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | and local phone calls are free here | 07:37 |
| froud | Here in Africa only a small percentage of people can afford it | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | once you pay the per month charge | 07:37 |
| froud | it really holds back things like educations | 07:37 |
| froud | The Shuttleworth Foundation and some partners did an Internet Fiesta recently | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | without early and constant exposure to computers/internet, it is very hard to become comfortable enough to get a job in the field | 07:38 |
| froud | where they take and tent and computers out into rural areas for the kid to play on the Internet | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 07:39 |
| froud | http://mithrandr.moria.org/blog/409.html | 07:40 |
| froud | The Shuttleworth Foundation is doing some excellent work in this area | 07:40 |
| froud | http://www.go-opensource.co.za/ | 07:41 |
| froud | another initiative to increase the use of FOSS | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | I have seen some of their stuff | 07:42 |
| froud | have you seen Tuxlabs | 07:42 |
| froud | http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30 | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | I want to convince them to bring me on as a volunteer | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | pay my cost of living and I will work for them for about six months | 07:42 |
| froud | He he, yeah we have a for organizations like that in South africa | 07:43 |
| froud | all of which are promoting FOSS as a solution to bridinging the digital divide | 07:44 |
| froud | I help them by doing gift contributions to thier projects | 07:44 |
| froud | but this helps little when things like communications are expensive | 07:45 |
| froud | some people here work for as little as ZAR 80 a day | 07:45 |
| froud | some less 60 / day | 07:46 |
| froud | The divide between the haves and have nots is huge in Africa | 07:46 |
| froud | you seriously want to volunteer? | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | if somebody pays my board, I will volunteer for six months for nothing | 07:48 |
| froud | do you know who to contact | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | I sent something about 2 months ago to the shuttleworth foundation | 07:49 |
| froud | to who? | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | but I guess I got the wrong person, as I didn't here back | 07:49 |
| froud | who did you mail? | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | just thinking | 07:50 |
| === froud goes off to get the email address | ||
| Burgundavia | Zeenat Patel-Kaskar - Education Program Manager | 07:51 |
| Burgundavia | I think | 07:51 |
| Burgundavia | at tsf | 07:51 |
| === froud msgs address | ||
| froud | He is very nice person | 07:52 |
| froud | very lucid | 07:52 |
| froud | speak to him | 07:52 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 08:07 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | bbl | 08:22 |
| froud | any reason why the pot files are not in SVN | 09:04 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | well, maybe I do | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | the translators not having access? | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | and it being close to release? | 09:28 |
| froud | Ok well I have done a comit of the files | 09:35 |
| froud | so people can checkout | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | I saw that | 09:36 |
| Liz | i have to start again..i lost everything when i had to reinstall ubuntu | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | Liz: ouch | 09:36 |
| Liz | and im running on hoary now | 09:36 |
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| Liz | ouch is right | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | I really should back up my stuff | 09:36 |
| froud | Liz: why did you have to reinstall | 09:36 |
| Liz | twice i had to do it in two days | 09:36 |
| froud | but why | 09:36 |
| Liz | i have two hdds.. | 09:36 |
| Liz | but when i hooked in the the linux hdd..it wouldnt boot | 09:37 |
| Liz | so i tried to reinstall into a blank partition | 09:37 |
| Liz | and overrode the wrong one | 09:37 |
| Liz | twice | 09:37 |
| Liz | both my ubuntu setup, and my slackware one | 09:37 |
| Liz | so i wiped the whole drive and started again | 09:38 |
| froud | next time try a boot diskette fist ;-) | 09:38 |
| Liz | my floppy wont work | 09:38 |
| froud | that way you can access lilo or grub and fix it | 09:38 |
| Liz | boot diskettes wont work when i ask it to do that | 09:38 |
| froud | oh dear | 09:38 |
| Liz | they keep failing.. | 09:38 |
| Liz | and when i do boot up..it wont always boot up the floppy | 09:38 |
| Liz | i was going to do it via the live cd | 09:39 |
| Liz | but even if i did..i wouldnt know what i was doing | 09:39 |
| froud | how far have you got into the LearnLinux course | 09:39 |
| froud | it is explained there | 09:39 |
| Liz | only just the first bit | 09:39 |
| froud | Oh dear | 09:40 |
| Liz | i didnt get a chance to go back to do the next bit with class and the install fest i was at just recently | 09:40 |
| froud | well I have a drop of Learn Linux in SVN | 09:40 |
| Liz | i was one of the helpers | 09:40 |
| Liz | installing debian tho | 09:40 |
| froud | perhaps you can learn while you write on it to make it for Ubuntu | 09:40 |
| Liz | and i was surprised at how similar the install was | 09:40 |
| froud | much the same | 09:40 |
| froud | cause Ubuntu is based on Debian | 09:41 |
| Liz | yes..i just didnt realise how similar | 09:41 |
| Liz | the last time i installed debian, i could never get x to work | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | there is a lot of work to avoid forking | 09:41 |
| froud | Oh well this is how we learn | 09:41 |
| Liz | i had no experience with a non gui setup | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | so that packages and improvements can go back to debian | 09:41 |
| froud | Burgundavia: I expect it will fork | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | in fact, almost all of universe is just debian | 09:41 |
| froud | oh you mean the distro | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:42 |
| froud | sure, loads ofwork | 09:42 |
| froud | one would think it would be easier | 09:42 |
| froud | like the docs | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | we are about to see another sync to sid, imm. after hoary releases | 09:42 |
| froud | I would like to biuld on top of GNOME and KDE | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | but the docs, especially the user ones are very much base on what it looks like | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | which is based on Gnome/kde | 09:43 |
| froud | yes, but a custom layer is possible | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | there again, Ubuntu tries to stick very close to gnome defaults | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | like the ubuntu update manager is going into gnome | 09:44 |
| Liz | i havent tried kde on here yet | 09:44 |
| froud | yes that's why I want to build the difference | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | and so is the app install | 09:44 |
| Liz | i dont really like kde that much..tho some of their files are quite handy | 09:44 |
| froud | Liz: this should help you http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html | 09:44 |
| Liz | i found the kde ppp dial up thingy much easeir to config than the gnome one | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | kolf is very cool | 09:44 |
| froud | kppp | 09:45 |
| froud | kde rocks | 09:45 |
| froud | Kubuntu rocks | 09:45 |
| froud | Burgundavia: yes I know about update-manager in GNOME CVS. I wrote the doc and Jeff did the edit | 09:45 |
| froud | anyway, I did an experiment some time back | 09:46 |
| Liz | personal preference i think..i have a small screen but i find that kde is huge even at 800x600 | 09:46 |
| Liz | i used to run it for a while there | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | but the difference is that most distros don't develop a tool in house and then push it back upstream | 09:46 |
| Liz | till i fell in love with gnome | 09:46 |
| froud | I was able to build GNOME and an abstraction for Ubuntu | 09:46 |
| froud | yes this is the greatthing about Ubuntu | 09:47 |
| froud | Liz: come to KDE | 09:47 |
| froud | Kongi is caling | 09:47 |
| froud | :-) | 09:48 |
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| Liz | lol | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | Liz: what brought you to ubuntu (and linux generally)? | 09:50 |
| Liz | ahh..you didnt read my post on learnlinux then? | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | I have been busy with packaging recently | 09:52 |
| Liz | ahh | 09:52 |
| Liz | ok...ive been using linux for about 7 years now..basically.. a friend nagged me to use it | 09:52 |
| Liz | so i started by installing different ones | 09:52 |
| Liz | at that time..only caldera would actually install on my old system | 09:53 |
| Liz | and its just gone from there | 09:53 |
| Liz | but last year, jeff waugh mentioned ubuntu on the slug (sydney lug) on the slug mailing list | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | so you have been using Ubuntu since almost the beginning | 09:54 |
| Liz | i went to a meeting on the friday..where he showed a pre-released copy..saturday i was at a install-fest wehre they did another demo..got a copy of the pre-release version then..installed it..and been using it ever since | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | yah, I grabbed the Warty preview | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | I have only been using Linux since 2003 | 09:56 |
| Liz | iw as a little unsure about using debian..cause i felt it was for the more advanced user...but using ubuntu gets me closer to the goal of considering myself as an intermediate user of it | 09:56 |
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| abelli | ciao a tutti | 10:03 |
| abelli | does someone here know a good way to audio-streaming (while clients are windows media player)? | 10:03 |
| Liz | doesnt the windows media player have audio-streaming? | 10:08 |
| abelli | Liz: im using linux | 10:08 |
| abelli | and i dont have a windows box | 10:08 |
| Liz | well..xmms does audio-streaming | 10:09 |
| Liz | well used to..i havent tried it under hoary y et | 10:09 |
| Liz | illd o that now | 10:09 |
| abelli | really? | 10:09 |
| Liz | yes..i used to listen to some of the ones linked to shoutcast | 10:09 |
| abelli | o my Saviour | 10:09 |
| abelli | Liz: have you ever tried it? | 10:12 |
| Liz | yes..xmms works | 10:12 |
| Liz | im connected to soulsvilleonline.com | 10:12 |
| Liz | via xmms | 10:12 |
| abelli | Liz: what plugin should i use? | 10:13 |
| abelli | mmmm no, i mean to stream. | 10:13 |
| Liz | its playing streaming music | 10:13 |
| abelli | ok thank you | 10:14 |
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| abelli | enrico: bon jour | 11:19 |
| abelli | enrico: something about audio streaming, not concerning polygen. | 11:20 |
| abelli | enrico: dimme mpo' quello che sai. | 11:20 |
| enrico | not much | 11:20 |
| enrico | apt-get install icecast2 and work it out with the docs | 11:20 |
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| carlos | hi | 11:36 |
| abelli | ciao | 11:37 |
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| carlos | This is the format of the translations tarball so we are able to import them automatically into Rosetta: | 11:38 |
| carlos | source/debian/po/template.pot | 11:38 |
| carlos | source/debian/po/en.po | 11:38 |
| carlos | source/po/foolib.pot | 11:38 |
| carlos | source/po/de.po | 11:38 |
| carlos | source/po/en.po | 11:38 |
| carlos | source/plugins/po/template.pot | 11:39 |
| carlos | source/plugins/po/de.po | 11:39 |
| carlos | source/plugins/po/en.po | 11:39 |
| carlos | libfoo0/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/foolib.mo | 11:39 |
| carlos | libfoo0/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/foolib.mo | 11:39 |
| carlos | libfoo-plugins/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/foolib-plugins.mo | 11:39 |
| carlos | libfoo-plugins/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/foolib-plugins.mo | 11:39 |
| carlos | it's an example | 11:39 |
| carlos | for the documentation you only need the "source/po/ tree" | 11:39 |
| carlos | and name the tarball: PACKAGENAME_UBUNTUVERSION_translations.tar.gz (as: pmount_0.5-1ubuntu2_translations.tar.gz) | 11:40 |
| enrico | carlos: you really don't like the mailing list, don't you? :) | 11:40 |
| carlos | enrico: dude, I just wake up. I'm still sleeping :-) | 11:41 |
| claude | could this be available somewhere on the wiki ? | 11:41 |
| enrico | carlos: ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com | 11:41 |
| carlos | claude: Yeah, perhaps it's a good idea to put it in the public wiki | 11:42 |
| carlos | enrico: ok, will do after breakfast | 11:42 |
| claude | so now that enrico knows how to do :), we can hope that doc should be in Rosetta soon | 11:43 |
| enrico | claude: you better make sure someone else also knows how to: I'm packing now, leaving to Amsterdam for 2 weeks | 11:46 |
| claude | enrico: will you post it on the ubuntu-doc ? | 11:47 |
| enrico | I'll have rare network connection there, which I'll mainly use for my job: so, for Ubuntu things I'll only do emergencies (If I manage) | 11:47 |
| enrico | claude: I'd appreciate if someone else does: plane is leaving in 4 hours, and I still haven't packed | 11:48 |
| claude | i personnally don't have enough skills to understand the details | 11:49 |
| claude | so maybe carlos could send the post | 11:49 |
| enrico | claude: just try to understand the big picture, and maybe document it in the wiki | 11:50 |
| enrico | that'd be very useful already | 11:50 |
| enrico | and in trying to understand it, you'll ask to people and get them involved | 11:50 |
| enrico | froud and trickie are the people to talk with wrt the docteam | 11:50 |
| enrico | (Sean Wheller and Nick Loeve) | 11:50 |
| claude | i'll see what i can do, good travel ! | 11:54 |
| abelli | enrico: ciao | 11:54 |
| abelli | enrico: ti saluta anche tannoiser. | 11:54 |
| carlos | claude: yeah, I will send the post | 11:56 |
| abelli | carlos: hollllla | 11:56 |
| enrico | abelli: :) | 11:56 |
| carlos | abelli: hola! | 11:56 |
| carlos | claude, enrico: mail sent | 12:13 |
| enrico | carlos: thanks!] | 12:13 |
| carlos | np | 12:14 |
| enrico | carlos: I moderated you in | 12:15 |
| enrico | carlos: and added you to "always accept" filters | 12:15 |
| carlos | enrico: ok, thanks | 12:16 |
| claude | carlos: I've just subscribed to ubuntu-doc and maybe missed the post, could you resend to famille.paroz@bluewin.ch | 12:17 |
| claude | :/ | 12:18 |
| carlos | claude: it should be in the web archive | 12:18 |
| carlos | but don't worry, Will forward it now... | 12:18 |
| claude | thx carlos | 12:18 |
| carlos | sent | 12:19 |
| claude | received :) | 12:19 |
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| Liz | nite all | 12:43 |
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| sabmoc | does moin have a tag to display <pre> </pre>? | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | don't know | 09:31 |
| sabmoc | hi Burgundavia | 09:36 |
| sabmoc | i found it, its the {{{ }}} | 09:37 |
| sabmoc | Burgundavia, join #ubuntu-ca its just me an ryan | 09:37 |
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| seb128 | hi | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | salut seb128 | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | what can we do for you? | 09:50 |
| seb128 | anybody know how to make a xml file with the po translation ? "xml2po -o fr/about-ubuntu.xml -p about-ubuntu.po about-ubuntu.xml" seems to have issue for strings with xml stuff | 09:50 |
| seb128 | about-ubuntu.xml: | 09:51 |
| seb128 | <subtitle>Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; | 09:51 |
| seb128 | Release.</subtitle> | 09:51 |
| seb128 | gives | 09:51 |
| seb128 | <subtitle>Welcome to Ubuntu Linux : The Release.</subtitle> | 09:51 |
| seb128 | ie: it doesn't use the translation and drips the "&...;" | 09:51 |
| seb128 | s/drips/drops/ | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | I have never used it | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | froud: ping | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | froud is the best bet for that | 09:52 |
| seb128 | trying to make a french version of the "about ubuntu" :) | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | he is most knowledgable about this sort of stuff | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | sorry | 09:52 |
| seb128 | np | 09:52 |
| froud | yep | 10:00 |
| froud | sorry | 10:00 |
| froud | here now | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | froud: the issue with po stuff | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | as above | 10:00 |
| === froud reads | ||
| claude | is this not po2xml ? | 10:00 |
| claude | it seems working for me | 10:04 |
| froud | seb128: the value of the external entity is defined in /libs/global.ent which defines that the value must be taken from the file REVISION in the root of trunk | 10:04 |
| froud | If the entity is not expanded prior to use of of po2xml it will be void | 10:04 |
| froud | opps xml2po | 10:05 |
| froud | seb128: but for now can you send me the new xml instance so I can test with it | 10:06 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:06 |
| seb128 | I've no new xml, that's the issue | 10:06 |
| seb128 | I've the xml file and a po file with the translation | 10:06 |
| seb128 | and I would like to generate the xml translation | 10:07 |
| froud | and you cant reassemble it because this causes it to fail? | 10:07 |
| seb128 | what I said before | 10:07 |
| seb128 | about-ubuntu.xml: | 10:07 |
| seb128 | <subtitle>Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; | 10:07 |
| seb128 | Release.</subtitle> | 10:07 |
| seb128 | about-ubuntu.po: | 10:07 |
| seb128 | msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; | 10:07 |
| seb128 | Release." | 10:07 |
| seb128 | fr/about-ubuntu.xml: | 10:07 |
| seb128 | <subtitle>Welcome to Ubuntu Linux : The Release.</subtitle> | 10:07 |
| seb128 | 10:07 | |
| seb128 | ups, po has | 10:08 |
| seb128 | msgstr "Bienvenue sur Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: Version | 10:08 |
| seb128 | &distro-version;" | 10:08 |
| seb128 | 10:08 | |
| seb128 | the generated fr/about-ubuntu.xml doesn't use the translation | 10:08 |
| seb128 | but that works fine for other strings, I think that's due to the "&...;" parts | 10:08 |
| froud | Hmm. I see. Well so long as the DocType Decl is the same and in the folder relative to the en version it will work | 10:08 |
| froud | the problem is that the DocType Decl has entities | 10:09 |
| seb128 | I need some other files ? | 10:09 |
| froud | and we have not yet made providion for folders by language | 10:09 |
| seb128 | I just have about-ubuntu.po and about-ubuntu.xml in my directory | 10:09 |
| froud | You need trunk/ | 10:10 |
| seb128 | oh, where is that ? | 10:10 |
| seb128 | I've used to template sent by enrico on the list for the translation | 10:10 |
| froud | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk | 10:10 |
| seb128 | and grab the .xml from /usr/share/... | 10:10 |
| seb128 | k | 10:10 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:10 |
| froud | seb128: no thank you | 10:11 |
| froud | seb128: but once the translated xml is in our trunk it will work | 10:11 |
| seb128 | I'm doing a checkout atm, a min | 10:11 |
| froud | provided that the translated instance is relative to the en version | 10:11 |
| froud | after hoary we will provision for languages | 10:12 |
| claude | does this mean there won't be any translated docs for hoary ? | 10:12 |
| froud | so for now just create your new file with the convention about-ubuntu-<lang>.po about-ubuntu-<lang>.xml | 10:12 |
| froud | no there will be | 10:13 |
| froud | claude: just cause we dont hav ethe folders does not mean we wont translate | 10:13 |
| claude | ok, the -fr in the same folder than original | 10:13 |
| froud | yes for now | 10:13 |
| froud | after hoary we will be restructuring svn to accomodate l18n | 10:14 |
| claude | seb128: i've succeeded in generating the -fr xml file | 10:14 |
| seb128 | in the SVN tree ? | 10:14 |
| claude | no, locally | 10:15 |
| froud | when you are ready you can just email the files to us | 10:15 |
| seb128 | I want to review it display in the browser | 10:15 |
| seb128 | I'll send it when it's reviewed :) | 10:15 |
| froud | seb128: u can only do that when the xml file is in the same folder as the en document | 10:15 |
| claude | yes, it was the case for me | 10:16 |
| seb128 | I've the english xml | 10:16 |
| seb128 | I've used the one in /usr/... | 10:16 |
| seb128 | half of the translation are fine, only the one with xml tags are not correct | 10:16 |
| froud | Hmm. better to test in working copy of | 10:17 |
| claude | my command: po2xml about-ubuntu.xml about-ubuntu.po > about-ubuntu-fr.xml | 10:17 |
| froud | but if you copy your localized doc into the aboutubuntu folder in usr/share it will also work | 10:17 |
| seb128 | I've a localized po file | 10:18 |
| seb128 | not a xml file | 10:18 |
| froud | claude: can you add a page on how the translation cycle works in wiki | 10:18 |
| froud | seb128: you must transform po back to xml | 10:19 |
| seb128 | I don't have a po2xml | 10:19 |
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| claude | oops, i'm still newby... | 10:19 |
| seb128 | froud: hum, I'm not clear ? | 10:19 |
| froud | seb128: install xml2po | 10:19 |
| seb128 | "xml2po -o fr/about-ubuntu.xml -p about-ubuntu.po about-ubuntu.xml" seems to have issue for strings with xml stuff | 10:19 |
| seb128 | that's the right command or not | 10:19 |
| claude | try to replace fr/about-ubuntu.xml with about-ubuntu-fr.xml | 10:20 |
| claude | all files in the same folder | 10:20 |
| seb128 | k | 10:20 |
| seb128 | nop, doesn't work | 10:21 |
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| froud | seb128: are all files in the same folder | 10:22 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:22 |
| froud | that is the aboutubuntu files | 10:22 |
| seb128 | in the SVN trunk it segfaults | 10:22 |
| seb128 | nice, lemme check what's wrong | 10:23 |
| claude | my version of poxml(warty) : 4:3.2.3-2 | 10:23 |
| seb128 | I don't have poxml | 10:23 |
| froud | you need poxml | 10:23 |
| seb128 | I use xmp2po from gnome-doc-utils | 10:23 |
| seb128 | xml2po | 10:24 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:24 |
| seb128 | lemme try that | 10:24 |
| seb128 | k, that's better with poxml, thanks | 10:25 |
| froud | claude: can you document the pot/po file process | 10:25 |
| froud | seb128: no worries | 10:25 |
| froud | chaps we really appreciate the help you are giving | 10:26 |
| seb128 | I'll debug xml2po though, should work with it | 10:26 |
| froud | can eithe rof you document the process for us | 10:26 |
| claude | we talked with carlos this morning | 10:26 |
| froud | and put in in the DocTeam wiki | 10:26 |
| froud | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam | 10:26 |
| claude | he's ready to put po/pot files into Rosetta Tuesday | 10:27 |
| claude | that would change the process... | 10:27 |
| froud | seb128: claude: i am goingy the seat of my pants on this ii18n stuff\ | 10:27 |
| froud | Ok but we need to know the basics | 10:27 |
| claude | and facilitates work for translators | 10:27 |
| froud | so we can make life easier for i18n | 10:28 |
| froud | claude: who is ready, seb128 | 10:29 |
| froud | ? | 10:29 |
| seb128 | about what ? | 10:29 |
| seb128 | enrico's template lacks some strings: / | 10:29 |
| seb128 | "Based on Debian, one of the most widely acclaimed, technologically advanced and well supported distributions, Ubuntu is yet another contender in what is already a hotly contested market. So what makes it different?" | 10:29 |
| seb128 | by example | 10:29 |
| seb128 | is not in the template | 10:29 |
| froud | the pot is also in svn | 10:29 |
| seb128 | yeah, but he has mailed the list to get translations | 10:30 |
| seb128 | with a wrong template | 10:30 |
| froud | Hmm, that's why I want this stuff in svn | 10:30 |
| froud | lemme see what is in svn | 10:31 |
| claude | froud: could you just create the blank page in the wiki, don't know the structure of the actual pages to place it right | 10:31 |
| froud | claude ok | 10:31 |
| mdke | what's up guys? | 10:31 |
| froud | claude: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n | 10:34 |
| claude | froud; thx | 10:35 |
| seb128 | "There are many GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake)but | 10:36 |
| seb128 | Ubuntu distinguishes itself as a different, better, kind of distribution.<" | 10:36 |
| seb128 | this sentence is kind of weird | 10:36 |
| froud | :-) | 10:36 |
| seb128 | I don't feel that the "better" should be here | 10:37 |
| froud | seb128: you dont hav ethe HEAD version | 10:37 |
| froud | Jeff made a patch for Jane | 10:37 |
| froud | and you dont have our HEAD | 10:37 |
| seb128 | I've the current CVS | 10:37 |
| seb128 | ups | 10:37 |
| seb128 | SVN | 10:37 |
| froud | seb128: can you take the stuff from SVN | 10:37 |
| seb128 | svn update about-ubuntu.xml | 10:37 |
| seb128 | At revision 772. | 10:38 |
| seb128 | I've just taken this one | 10:38 |
| seb128 | svn/trunk/aboutubunt/about-ubuntu.xml | 10:38 |
| froud | Hmm that is correct | 10:38 |
| froud | is that the one missing strings | 10:38 |
| froud | can t be | 10:39 |
| seb128 | ? | 10:39 |
| froud | or did you use the one mailed to the list | 10:39 |
| seb128 | I've worked on the one from the list | 10:39 |
| seb128 | and I'm merging with the SVN now | 10:39 |
| seb128 | this xml is from the SVN | 10:39 |
| seb128 | - <para>There are many GNU/Linux distributions in the world, some are built from the | 10:40 |
| seb128 | - ground up and some are based on others, each has aimed to perfect the platform and | 10:40 |
| seb128 | - its desktop. However only a few ever remain, with names such as Debian, SuSE, RedHat | 10:40 |
| seb128 | - and Mandrake being the most notable.</para> | 10:40 |
| seb128 | + <para>There are many GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake)but | 10:40 |
| seb128 | + Ubuntu distinguishes itself as a different, better, kind of distribution.</para> | 10:40 |
| seb128 | 10:40 | |
| seb128 | that's the diff between both | 10:40 |
| froud | yes that was Jeffs patch | 10:41 |
| seb128 | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/aboutubuntu/about-ubuntu.xml | 10:42 |
| seb128 | <para>There are many GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake)but | 10:42 |
| seb128 | Ubuntu distinguishes itself as a different, better, kind of distribution.</para> | 10:42 |
| seb128 | 10:42 | |
| seb128 | the string is in the SVN for sure | 10:42 |
| froud | the second one is yes | 10:42 |
| froud | but not the first | 10:42 |
| froud | if you like I can change the better for you | 10:43 |
| froud | delete it if you like | 10:43 |
| seb128 | that's just a bit pretentious | 10:43 |
| froud | Ok hang in there I will delete | 10:44 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:44 |
| froud | seb128: ok svn up | 10:47 |
| froud | you have a new revision of the xml and pot | 10:47 |
| froud | in trunk/aboutubuntu | 10:47 |
| froud | chaps I must go. Please email the list with any problems or if you want to commit files/patches. | 10:48 |
| claude | froud: bye | 10:48 |
| froud | Burgundavia: can you handle any commits | 10:48 |
| froud | claude: show | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 10:49 |
| Kinnison | burger! | 10:50 |
| === Kinnison snogs | ||
| === froud-away send thats form bed | ||
| Burgundavia | ? | 10:50 |
| Burgundavia | to both of you | 10:50 |
| === froud-away send thanks from bed | ||
| Burgundavia | ok | 10:50 |
| froud-away | seb128: you ok now? | 10:50 |
| seb128 | yep, thanks | 10:51 |
| seb128 | I'll mail a french version tonight | 10:51 |
| seb128 | BTW you guy should freeze the strings now | 10:51 |
| froud-away | cool, night night dont let the bed bugs bite | 10:52 |
| seb128 | 'night | 10:52 |
| froud-away | I will tag once we have l18n | 10:52 |
| carlos | claude: the right term is "carlos will try to get it into Rosetta on Tuesday" ;-) | 11:02 |
| seb128 | carlos: you suck | 11:05 |
| seb128 | translations are a real mess for hoary | 11:06 |
| carlos | seb128: I love you too :-) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | I'll fix the french one but I guess we will not have other complete stuff | 11:06 |
| mdke | i suggested on the list that I contact the italian group to get translations done. | 11:06 |
| mdke | is anyone interested in this? | 11:07 |
| mdke | perhaps we could contact other groups? | 11:07 |
| claude | i think if we could add this stuff into Rosetta, things could go quickly (carlos, don't feel stressed :-) | 11:08 |
| mdke | *coughs* | 11:11 |
| carlos | claude: as soon as you have clear that application translations have preference in my task queue, that's fine for me | 11:12 |
| claude | in your last mail, you speak about possibility to let someone upload pot files directly into Rosetta | 11:13 |
| claude | think froud should be able to do it (enrico is away for two weeks) | 11:14 |
| claude | we'll discuss it in the mailing list as soon as Rosetta will be up again | 11:15 |
| carlos | claude: ok | 11:15 |
| mdke | *coughs* | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | this issue with rosetta is large blocks of text correct> | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 11:16 |
| claude | mdke: you should stop smoking :) | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | do you guys need me to commit to the svn doc repo? | 11:18 |
| claude | i'm leaving now, bye | 11:21 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:23 |
| mdke | courteous | 11:23 |
| Burgundavia | right | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | could also be 2nd lang stuff | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | I know I don't sound very friendly in french | 11:24 |
| === Kinnison is sure you sound lovely in french | ||
| Kinnison | </pred> | 11:24 |
| mdke | lol | 11:24 |
| mdke | but my question wasn't answered | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | but I don't look lovely in french maids outfits | 11:25 |
| mdke | in any language | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, go nuts | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | well, maybe not | 11:25 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: I'm not convinced that anyone does | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.threewisheslingerie.com/french.asp | 11:25 |
| Burgundavia | but then again, those kind of people don | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | do anythng for you | 11:26 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, i wont go nuts, but i was just trying to help out | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | hey coo | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | that site even uses thawte | 11:26 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: those photos are very giggleworthy | 11:26 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.threewisheslingerie.com/images/openmaidset.JPG | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | I like that one | 11:27 |
| mdke | bah | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | I realize that there are a lot of good games for linux | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | you just have to find them | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | thus I want to promote them better | 11:28 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: slag :-) | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 11:29 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: seminekkid french maid | 11:29 |
| mdke | you guys are always flirting ;p | 11:30 |
| Kinnison | No dear. I'm always flirting | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 11:31 |
| mdke | lol | 11:31 |
| mdke | he doesn't flirt back? | 11:31 |
| mdke | unrequited irc love... sucks | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | I want to be the camera man | 11:32 |
| === Kinnison laughs | ||
| Burgundavia | I haven't heard back from mako yet | 11:32 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: feelthy voyeur | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | rofl | 11:32 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke: your ears couldn't take it? | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | -- mdke has quit (Excess Flood) | 11:33 |
| mdke | weird disconnection | 11:33 |
| mdke | holy shit | 11:33 |
| mdke | i flooded in a /query??? | 11:33 |
| mdke | bizarre | 11:33 |
| mdke | is that possible? | 11:35 |
| mdke | so can i take it that the translation team doesn't need extra translators? | 11:36 |
| carlos | mdke: I doubt it, you should talk with people for the language you are interested on, I'm sure they will be happy to get more help | 11:42 |
| mdke | i'm not interested in a specific language | 11:43 |
| mdke | i was suggesting perhaps contacting the locoteams | 11:43 |
| mdke | and specifically i volunteered to contact the italian team | 11:43 |
| Kinnison | coo; you've scared burgey off | 11:45 |
| mdke | me? | 11:45 |
| mdke | :( | 11:46 |
| Kinnison | yeah; must be you 'cos I'm lovely and sweet | 11:46 |
| === Kinnison hugs mdke | ||
| mdke | you scare meeeeeee | 11:46 |
| mdke | did you watch dr who this evening? | 11:46 |
| Kinnison | yep | 11:46 |
| Kinnison | was good | 11:46 |
| mdke | good huh? | 11:46 |
| mdke | i liked it | 11:46 |
| === Kinnison thought it was so utterly awful that it just might work | ||
| mdke | hmm | 11:47 |
| Kinnison | this is the campest doctor we've had in ages | 11:47 |
| Kinnison | it's wonderful | 11:47 |
| mdke | whoa that's saying something | 11:47 |
| mdke | i think the scripting is good | 11:47 |
| mdke | lots of funny lines | 11:47 |
| Kinnison | Russell T. Davis good. | 11:47 |
| mdke | billie is good ;) | 11:47 |
| mdke | everything good | 11:47 |
| Kinnison | "Many planets have a north" | 11:47 |
| Kinnison | I loved that line | 11:47 |
| mdke | LOL | 11:47 |
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| mdke | so good | 11:48 |
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