[04:14] <Skywind_> hi, all
[04:20] <jeffsch> hello Skywind
[04:49] <Skywind_> hello~, jeffsch
[07:24] <froud-away> AFrican Greetings
[07:25] <Liz> kia ora
[07:25] <Liz> tho..im off again in a minute
[07:25] <Liz> i have the cooking bug today
[07:25] <Liz> so im baking up a storm
[07:25] <Liz> heh
[07:25] <froud> chocolate brownies please
[07:26] <Liz> how about chocolate chip cookies instead?
[07:26] <Liz> with nuts in it?
[07:26] <froud> cool
[07:26] <Liz> hot cross buns with chocolate chips in it
[07:26] <Burgundavia> salut
[07:26] <froud> nice to see you here again
[07:26] <Liz> as well as banana and coconut with nuts in it as well
[07:26] <Liz> greetings
[07:26] <froud> Burgundavia: hi
[07:26] <Liz> ill bbl
[07:27] <Liz> ooh..coffee
[07:27] <Burgundavia> bah coffee
[07:27] <Burgundavia> is 10pm here
[07:27] <Burgundavia> coffee and other things might be a bad thing to have that time of night
[07:27] <froud> but then you don't sleep
[07:28] <Burgundavia> I do so!
[07:28] <Burgundavia> I was up at 8am this morning
[07:28] <Burgundavia> 8am PST that is
[07:29] <froud> Burgundavia: have to reaquired the habit of sleep again? I am happy to hear it
[07:30] <froud> just jibing dude
[07:30] <Burgundavia> np
[07:31] <Burgundavia> just out of idle curiosty, how many rands do you pay a month for adsl?
[07:31] <froud> about ZAR 1000 in all 2 X 3GB
[07:32] <froud> hugely expensive for Africa
[07:32] <froud> that is one of the problems we have
[07:32] <froud> communications is expensive
[07:32] <Burgundavia> ouch
[07:32] <Burgundavia> $195 CAD
[07:33] <froud> it means that most of the country cannot afford access to the Internet
[07:33] <Burgundavia> do you have a static IP?
[07:34] <froud> No
[07:34] <froud> sucks
[07:34] <froud> I have 512K down and 256 up
[07:34] <Burgundavia> ouch
[07:34] <Burgundavia> I get that $50 CAD
[07:34] <Burgundavia> ~250 ZAR
[07:35] <froud> http://www.telkomsa.net/products/adsl_telkom_internet.jsp
[07:35] <Burgundavia> for 100 I would get a static IP and about twice that
[07:35] <froud> yes
[07:35] <Burgundavia> but Canada is one of the most wired counties on the planet
[07:36] <froud> well we are fighting a monopoly here http://www.hellkom.co.za/
[07:36] <Burgundavia> the telco here is ~3billion is debt building the ADSL network
[07:36] <Burgundavia> but they are a virtual monopoly (they used to be the monopoly) and can afford it
[07:36] <froud> http://www.telscum.co.za/
[07:37] <froud> But in Canada most people can afford even a dialup
[07:37] <Burgundavia> true
[07:37] <Burgundavia> and local phone calls are free here
[07:37] <froud> Here in Africa only a small percentage of people can afford it
[07:37] <Burgundavia> once you pay the per month charge
[07:37] <froud> it really holds back things like educations
[07:38] <froud> The Shuttleworth Foundation and some partners did an Internet Fiesta recently
[07:38] <Burgundavia> without early and constant exposure to computers/internet, it is very hard to become comfortable enough to get a job in the field
[07:39] <froud> where they take and tent and computers out into rural areas for the kid to play on the Internet
[07:39] <Burgundavia> cool
[07:40] <froud> http://mithrandr.moria.org/blog/409.html
[07:40] <froud> The Shuttleworth Foundation is doing some excellent work in this area
[07:41] <froud> http://www.go-opensource.co.za/
[07:42] <froud> another initiative to increase the use of FOSS
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I have seen some of their stuff
[07:42] <froud> have you seen Tuxlabs
[07:42] <froud> http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I want to convince them to bring me on as a volunteer
[07:42] <Burgundavia> pay my cost of living and I will work for them for about six months
[07:43] <froud> He he, yeah we have a for organizations like that in South africa
[07:44] <froud> all of which are promoting FOSS as a solution to bridinging the digital divide
[07:44] <froud> I help them by doing gift contributions to thier projects
[07:45] <froud> but this helps little when things like communications are expensive
[07:45] <froud> some people here work for as little as ZAR 80 a day
[07:46] <froud> some less 60 / day
[07:46] <froud> The divide between the haves and have nots is huge in Africa
[07:47] <froud> you seriously want to volunteer?
[07:48] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:48] <Burgundavia> if somebody pays my board, I will volunteer for six months for nothing
[07:48] <froud> do you know who to contact
[07:49] <Burgundavia> I sent something about 2 months ago to the shuttleworth foundation
[07:49] <froud> to who?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> but I guess I got the wrong person, as I didn't here back
[07:50] <froud> who did you mail?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:50] <Burgundavia> just thinking
[07:51] <Burgundavia> Zeenat Patel-Kaskar - Education Program Manager
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I think
[07:51] <Burgundavia> at tsf
[07:52] <froud> He is very nice person
[07:52] <froud> very lucid
[07:52] <froud> speak to him
[08:07] <jsgotangco> hello
[08:10] <Burgundavia> salut
[08:22] <jsgotangco> bbl
[09:04] <froud> any reason why the pot files are not in SVN
[09:28] <Burgundavia> no idea
[09:28] <Burgundavia> well, maybe I do
[09:28] <Burgundavia> the translators not having access?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> and it being close to release?
[09:35] <froud> Ok well I have done a comit of the files
[09:35] <froud> so people can checkout
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I saw that
[09:36] <Liz> i have to start again..i lost everything when i had to reinstall ubuntu
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Liz: ouch
[09:36] <Liz> and im running on hoary now
[09:36] <Liz> ouch is right
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I really should back up my stuff
[09:36] <froud> Liz: why did you have to reinstall
[09:36] <Liz> twice i had to do it in two days
[09:36] <froud> but why
[09:36] <Liz> i have two hdds..
[09:37] <Liz> but when i hooked in the the linux hdd..it wouldnt boot
[09:37] <Liz> so i tried to reinstall into a blank partition
[09:37] <Liz> and overrode the wrong one
[09:37] <Liz> twice
[09:37] <Liz> both my ubuntu setup, and my slackware one
[09:38] <Liz> so i wiped the whole drive and started again
[09:38] <froud> next time try a boot diskette fist ;-)
[09:38] <Liz> my floppy wont work
[09:38] <froud> that way you can access lilo or grub and fix it
[09:38] <Liz> boot diskettes wont work when i ask it to do that
[09:38] <froud> oh dear
[09:38] <Liz> they keep failing..
[09:38] <Liz> and when i do boot up..it wont always boot up the floppy
[09:39] <Liz> i was going to do it via the live cd
[09:39] <Liz> but even if i did..i wouldnt know what i was doing
[09:39] <froud> how far have you got into the LearnLinux course
[09:39] <froud> it is explained there
[09:39] <Liz> only just the first bit
[09:40] <froud> Oh dear
[09:40] <Liz> i didnt get a chance to go back to do the next bit with class and the install fest i was at just recently
[09:40] <froud> well I have a drop of Learn Linux in SVN
[09:40] <Liz> i was one of the helpers
[09:40] <Liz> installing debian tho
[09:40] <froud> perhaps you can learn while you write on it to make it for Ubuntu
[09:40] <Liz> and i was surprised at how similar the install was
[09:40] <froud> much the same
[09:41] <froud> cause Ubuntu is based on Debian
[09:41] <Liz> yes..i just didnt realise how similar
[09:41] <Liz> the last time i installed debian, i could never get x to work
[09:41] <Burgundavia> there is a lot of work to avoid forking
[09:41] <froud> Oh well this is how we learn
[09:41] <Liz> i had no experience with a non gui setup
[09:41] <Burgundavia> so that packages and improvements can go back to debian
[09:41] <froud> Burgundavia: I expect it will fork
[09:41] <Burgundavia> in fact, almost all of universe is just debian
[09:42] <froud> oh you mean the distro
[09:42] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:42] <froud> sure, loads ofwork
[09:42] <froud> one would think it would be easier
[09:42] <froud> like the docs
[09:42] <Burgundavia> we are about to see another sync to sid, imm. after hoary releases
[09:42] <froud> I would like to biuld on top of GNOME and KDE
[09:43] <Burgundavia> but the docs, especially the user ones are very much base on what it looks like
[09:43] <Burgundavia> which is based on Gnome/kde
[09:43] <froud> yes, but a custom layer is possible
[09:44] <Burgundavia> there again, Ubuntu tries to stick very close to gnome defaults
[09:44] <Burgundavia> like the ubuntu update manager is going into gnome
[09:44] <Liz> i havent tried kde on here yet
[09:44] <froud> yes that's why I want to build the difference
[09:44] <Burgundavia> and so is the app install
[09:44] <Liz> i dont really like kde that much..tho some of their files are quite handy
[09:44] <froud> Liz: this should help you http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html
[09:44] <Liz> i found the kde ppp dial up thingy much easeir to config than the gnome one
[09:44] <Burgundavia> kolf is very cool
[09:45] <froud> kppp
[09:45] <froud> kde rocks
[09:45] <froud> Kubuntu rocks
[09:45] <froud> Burgundavia: yes I know about update-manager in GNOME CVS. I wrote the doc and Jeff did the edit
[09:46] <froud> anyway, I did an experiment some time back
[09:46] <Liz> personal preference i think..i have a small screen but i find that kde is huge even at 800x600
[09:46] <Liz> i used to run it for a while there
[09:46] <Burgundavia> but the difference is that most distros don't develop a tool in house and then push it back upstream
[09:46] <Liz> till i fell in love with gnome
[09:46] <froud> I was able to build GNOME and an abstraction for Ubuntu
[09:47] <froud> yes this is the greatthing about Ubuntu
[09:47] <froud> Liz: come to KDE
[09:47] <froud> Kongi is caling
[09:48] <froud> :-)
[09:49] <Liz> lol
[09:50] <Burgundavia> Liz: what brought you to ubuntu (and linux generally)?
[09:51] <Liz> ahh..you didnt read my post on learnlinux then?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:52] <Burgundavia> I have been busy with packaging recently
[09:52] <Liz> ahh
[09:52] <Liz> ok...ive been using linux for about 7 years now..basically.. a friend nagged me to use it
[09:52] <Liz> so i started by installing different ones
[09:53] <Liz> at that time..only caldera would actually install on my old system
[09:53] <Liz> and its just gone from there
[09:53] <Liz> but last year, jeff waugh mentioned ubuntu on the slug (sydney lug) on the slug mailing list
[09:54] <Burgundavia> so you have been using Ubuntu since almost the beginning
[09:54] <Liz> i went to a meeting on the friday..where he showed a pre-released copy..saturday i was at a install-fest wehre they did another demo..got a copy of the pre-release version then..installed it..and been using it ever since
[09:55] <Burgundavia> yah, I grabbed the Warty preview
[09:56] <Burgundavia> I have only been using Linux since 2003
[09:56] <Liz> iw as a little unsure about using debian..cause i felt it was for the more advanced user...but using ubuntu gets me closer to the goal of considering myself as an intermediate user of it
[10:03] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[10:03] <abelli> does someone here know a good way to audio-streaming (while clients are windows media player)?
[10:08] <Liz> doesnt the windows media player have audio-streaming?
[10:08] <abelli> Liz: im using linux
[10:08] <abelli> and i dont have a windows box
[10:09] <Liz> well..xmms does audio-streaming
[10:09] <Liz> well used to..i havent tried it under hoary y et
[10:09] <Liz> illd o that now
[10:09] <abelli> really?
[10:09] <Liz> yes..i used to listen to some of the ones linked to shoutcast
[10:09] <abelli> o my Saviour
[10:12] <abelli> Liz: have you ever tried it?
[10:12] <Liz> yes..xmms works
[10:12] <Liz> im connected to soulsvilleonline.com
[10:12] <Liz> via xmms 
[10:13] <abelli> Liz: what plugin should i use?
[10:13] <abelli> mmmm no, i mean to stream.
[10:13] <Liz> its playing streaming music
[10:14] <abelli> ok thank you
[11:19] <abelli> enrico: bon jour
[11:20] <abelli> enrico: something about audio streaming, not concerning polygen.
[11:20] <abelli> enrico: dimme mpo' quello che sai.
[11:20] <enrico> not much
[11:20] <enrico> apt-get install icecast2 and work it out with the docs
[11:36] <carlos> hi
[11:37] <abelli> ciao
[11:38] <carlos> This is the format of the translations tarball so we are able to import them automatically into Rosetta:
[11:38] <carlos> source/debian/po/template.pot
[11:38] <carlos> source/debian/po/en.po
[11:38] <carlos> source/po/foolib.pot
[11:38] <carlos> source/po/de.po
[11:38] <carlos> source/po/en.po
[11:39] <carlos> source/plugins/po/template.pot
[11:39] <carlos> source/plugins/po/de.po
[11:39] <carlos> source/plugins/po/en.po
[11:39] <carlos> libfoo0/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/foolib.mo
[11:39] <carlos> libfoo0/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/foolib.mo
[11:39] <carlos> libfoo-plugins/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/foolib-plugins.mo
[11:39] <carlos> libfoo-plugins/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/foolib-plugins.mo
[11:39] <carlos> it's an example
[11:39] <carlos> for the documentation you only need the "source/po/ tree"
[11:40] <carlos> and name the tarball: PACKAGENAME_UBUNTUVERSION_translations.tar.gz (as: pmount_0.5-1ubuntu2_translations.tar.gz)
[11:40] <enrico> carlos: you really don't like the mailing list, don't you? :)
[11:41] <carlos> enrico: dude, I just wake up. I'm still sleeping :-)
[11:41] <claude> could this be available somewhere on the wiki ?
[11:41] <enrico> carlos: ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <carlos> claude: Yeah, perhaps it's a good idea to put it in the public wiki
[11:42] <carlos> enrico: ok, will do after breakfast
[11:43] <claude> so now that enrico knows how to do :), we can hope that doc should be in Rosetta soon
[11:46] <enrico> claude: you better make sure someone else also knows how to: I'm packing now, leaving to Amsterdam for 2 weeks
[11:47] <claude> enrico: will you post it on the ubuntu-doc ?
[11:47] <enrico> I'll have rare network connection there, which I'll mainly use for my job: so, for Ubuntu things I'll only do emergencies (If I manage)
[11:48] <enrico> claude: I'd appreciate if someone else does: plane is leaving in 4 hours, and I still haven't packed
[11:49] <claude> i personnally don't have enough skills to understand the details
[11:49] <claude> so maybe carlos could send the post
[11:50] <enrico> claude: just try to understand the big picture, and maybe document it in the wiki
[11:50] <enrico> that'd be very useful already
[11:50] <enrico> and in trying to understand it, you'll ask to people and get them involved
[11:50] <enrico> froud and trickie are the people to talk with wrt the docteam
[11:50] <enrico> (Sean Wheller and Nick Loeve)
[11:54] <claude> i'll see what i can do, good travel !
[11:54] <abelli> enrico: ciao
[11:54] <abelli> enrico: ti saluta anche tannoiser.
[11:56] <carlos> claude: yeah, I will send the post
[11:56] <abelli> carlos: hollllla
[11:56] <enrico> abelli: :)
[11:56] <carlos> abelli: hola!
[12:13] <carlos> claude, enrico: mail sent
[12:13] <enrico> carlos: thanks!] 
[12:14] <carlos> np
[12:15] <enrico> carlos: I moderated you in
[12:15] <enrico> carlos: and added you to "always accept" filters
[12:16] <carlos> enrico: ok, thanks
[12:17] <claude> carlos: I've just subscribed to ubuntu-doc and maybe missed the post, could you resend to famille.paroz@bluewin.ch
[12:18] <claude> :/
[12:18] <carlos> claude: it should be in the web archive
[12:18] <carlos> but don't worry, Will forward it now...
[12:18] <claude> thx carlos
[12:19] <carlos> sent
[12:19] <claude> received :)
[12:43] <Liz> nite all
[09:12] <sabmoc> does moin have a tag to display <pre> </pre>?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> don't know
[09:36] <sabmoc> hi Burgundavia 
[09:37] <sabmoc> i found it, its the {{{ }}} 
[09:37] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, join #ubuntu-ca its just me an ryan
[09:49] <seb128> hi
[09:50] <Burgundavia> salut seb128 
[09:50] <Burgundavia> what can we do for you?
[09:50] <seb128> anybody know how to make a xml file with the po translation ? "xml2po -o fr/about-ubuntu.xml -p about-ubuntu.po about-ubuntu.xml" seems to have issue for strings with xml stuff
[09:51] <seb128> about-ubuntu.xml:
Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version;
[09:51] <seb128> Release.</subtitle>
[09:51] <seb128> gives
Welcome to Ubuntu Linux : The Release.</subtitle>
[09:51] <seb128> ie: it doesn't use the translation and drips the "&...;"
[09:51] <seb128> s/drips/drops/
[09:51] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:51] <Burgundavia> I have never used it
[09:51] <Burgundavia> froud: ping
[09:52] <Burgundavia> froud is the best bet for that
[09:52] <seb128> trying to make a french version of the "about ubuntu" :)
[09:52] <Burgundavia> he is most knowledgable about this sort of stuff
[09:52] <Burgundavia> sorry
[09:52] <seb128> np
[10:00] <froud> yep
[10:00] <froud> sorry
[10:00] <froud> here now
[10:00] <Burgundavia> froud: the issue with po stuff
[10:00] <Burgundavia> as above
[10:00] <claude> is this not po2xml ?
[10:04] <claude> it seems working for me
[10:04] <froud> seb128: the value of the external entity is defined in /libs/global.ent which defines that the value must be taken from the file REVISION in the root of trunk 
[10:04] <froud> If the entity is not expanded prior to use of of po2xml it will be void
[10:05] <froud> opps xml2po
[10:06] <froud> seb128:  but for now can you send me the new xml instance so I can test with it
[10:06] <seb128> hum
[10:06] <seb128> I've no new xml, that's the issue
[10:06] <seb128> I've the xml file and a po file with the translation
[10:07] <seb128> and I would like to generate the xml translation
[10:07] <froud> and you cant reassemble it because this causes it to fail?
[10:07] <seb128> what I said before
[10:07] <seb128> about-ubuntu.xml:
Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version;
[10:07] <seb128> Release.</subtitle>
[10:07] <seb128> about-ubuntu.po:
[10:07] <seb128> msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version;
[10:07] <seb128> Release."
[10:07] <seb128> fr/about-ubuntu.xml:
Welcome to Ubuntu Linux : The Release.</subtitle>
[10:07] <seb128> 
[10:08] <seb128> ups, po has 
[10:08] <seb128> msgstr "Bienvenue sur Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: Version
[10:08] <seb128> &distro-version;"
[10:08] <seb128> 
[10:08] <seb128> the generated fr/about-ubuntu.xml doesn't use the translation
[10:08] <seb128> but that works fine for other strings, I think that's due to the "&...;" parts
[10:08] <froud> Hmm. I see. Well so long as the DocType Decl is the same and in the folder relative to the en version it will work
[10:09] <froud> the problem is that the DocType Decl has entities
[10:09] <seb128> I need some other files ? 
[10:09] <froud> and we have not yet made providion for folders by language
[10:09] <seb128> I just have about-ubuntu.po and about-ubuntu.xml in my directory
[10:10] <froud> You need trunk/
[10:10] <seb128> oh, where is that ? 
[10:10] <seb128> I've used to template sent by enrico on the list for the translation
[10:10] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk
[10:10] <seb128> and grab the .xml from /usr/share/...
[10:10] <seb128> k
[10:10] <seb128> thanks
[10:11] <froud> seb128: no thank you
[10:11] <froud> seb128: but once the translated xml is in our trunk it will work
[10:11] <seb128> I'm doing a checkout atm, a min
[10:11] <froud> provided that the translated instance is relative to the en version
[10:12] <froud> after hoary we will provision for languages
[10:12] <claude> does this mean there won't be any translated docs for hoary ?
[10:12] <froud> so for now just create your new file with the convention about-ubuntu-<lang>.po about-ubuntu-<lang>.xml
[10:13] <froud> no there will be
[10:13] <froud> claude: just cause we dont hav ethe folders does not mean we wont translate
[10:13] <claude> ok, the -fr in the same folder than original
[10:13] <froud> yes for now
[10:14] <froud> after hoary we will be restructuring svn to accomodate l18n
[10:14] <claude> seb128: i've succeeded in generating the -fr xml file
[10:14] <seb128> in the SVN tree ?
[10:15] <claude> no, locally
[10:15] <froud> when you are ready you can just email the files to us
[10:15] <seb128> I want to review it display in the browser
[10:15] <seb128> I'll send it when it's reviewed :)
[10:15] <froud> seb128: u can only do that when the xml file is in the same folder as the en document
[10:16] <claude> yes, it was the case for me
[10:16] <seb128> I've the english xml
[10:16] <seb128> I've used the one in /usr/...
[10:16] <seb128> half of the translation are fine, only the one with xml tags are not correct
[10:17] <froud> Hmm. better to test in working copy of 
[10:17] <claude> my command: po2xml about-ubuntu.xml about-ubuntu.po > about-ubuntu-fr.xml
[10:17] <froud> but if you copy your localized doc into the aboutubuntu folder in usr/share it will also work
[10:18] <seb128> I've a localized po file
[10:18] <seb128> not a xml file
[10:18] <froud> claude: can you add a page on how the translation cycle works in wiki
[10:19] <froud> seb128: you must transform po back to xml
[10:19] <seb128> I don't have a po2xml
[10:19] <claude> oops, i'm still newby...
[10:19] <seb128> froud: hum, I'm not clear ?
[10:19] <froud> seb128: install xml2po
[10:19] <seb128> "xml2po -o fr/about-ubuntu.xml -p about-ubuntu.po about-ubuntu.xml" seems to have issue for strings with xml stuff
[10:19] <seb128> that's the right command or not
[10:20] <claude> try to replace fr/about-ubuntu.xml with about-ubuntu-fr.xml
[10:20] <claude> all files in the same folder
[10:20] <seb128> k
[10:21] <seb128> nop, doesn't work
[10:22] <froud> seb128: are all files in the same folder
[10:22] <seb128> yes
[10:22] <froud> that is the aboutubuntu files
[10:22] <seb128> in the SVN trunk it segfaults
[10:23] <seb128> nice, lemme check what's wrong
[10:23] <claude> my version of poxml(warty) : 4:3.2.3-2
[10:23] <seb128> I don't have poxml
[10:23] <froud> you need poxml
[10:23] <seb128> I use xmp2po from gnome-doc-utils
[10:24] <seb128> xml2po
[10:24] <seb128> hum
[10:24] <seb128> lemme try that 
[10:25] <seb128> k, that's better with poxml, thanks
[10:25] <froud> claude: can you document the pot/po file process
[10:25] <froud> seb128: no worries
[10:26] <froud> chaps we really appreciate the help you are giving
[10:26] <seb128> I'll debug xml2po though, should work with it
[10:26] <froud> can eithe rof you document the process for us
[10:26] <claude> we talked with carlos this morning
[10:26] <froud> and put in in the DocTeam wiki
[10:26] <froud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam
[10:27] <claude> he's ready to put po/pot files into Rosetta Tuesday
[10:27] <claude> that would change the process...
[10:27] <froud> seb128: claude: i am goingy the seat of my pants on this ii18n stuff\
[10:27] <froud> Ok but we need to know the basics
[10:27] <claude> and facilitates work for translators
[10:28] <froud> so we can make life easier for i18n
[10:29] <froud> claude: who is ready, seb128 
[10:29] <froud> ?
[10:29] <seb128> about what ?
[10:29] <seb128> enrico's template lacks some strings: /
[10:29] <seb128> "Based on Debian, one of the most widely acclaimed, technologically advanced and well supported distributions, Ubuntu is yet another contender in what is already a hotly contested market. So what makes it different?"
[10:29] <seb128> by example
[10:29] <seb128> is not in the template
[10:29] <froud> the pot is also in svn
[10:30] <seb128> yeah, but he has mailed the list to get translations
[10:30] <seb128> with a wrong template
[10:30] <froud> Hmm, that's why I want this stuff in svn
[10:31] <froud> lemme see what is in svn
[10:31] <claude> froud: could you just create the blank page in the wiki, don't know the structure of the actual pages to place it right 
[10:31] <froud> claude ok
[10:31] <mdke> what's up guys?
[10:34] <froud> claude: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n
[10:35] <claude> froud; thx
[10:36] <seb128> "There are many GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake)but
[10:36] <seb128>                     Ubuntu distinguishes itself as a different, better, kind of distribution.<"
[10:36] <seb128> this sentence is kind of weird
[10:36] <froud> :-)
[10:37] <seb128> I don't feel that the "better" should be here
[10:37] <froud> seb128: you dont hav ethe HEAD version
[10:37] <froud> Jeff made a patch for Jane
[10:37] <froud> and you dont have our HEAD
[10:37] <seb128> I've the current CVS
[10:37] <seb128> ups
[10:37] <seb128> SVN
[10:37] <froud> seb128: can you take the stuff from SVN
[10:37] <seb128> svn update about-ubuntu.xml
[10:38] <seb128> At revision 772.
[10:38] <seb128> I've just taken this one
[10:38] <seb128> svn/trunk/aboutubunt/about-ubuntu.xml
[10:38] <froud> Hmm that is correct
[10:38] <froud> is that the one missing strings
[10:39] <froud> can t be
[10:39] <seb128> ?
[10:39] <froud> or did you use the one mailed to the list
[10:39] <seb128> I've worked on the one from the list
[10:39] <seb128> and I'm merging with the SVN now
[10:39] <seb128> this xml is from the SVN
[10:40] <seb128> -            <para>There are many GNU/Linux distributions in the world, some are built from the
[10:40] <seb128> -                ground up and some are based on others, each has aimed to perfect the platform and
[10:40] <seb128> -                its desktop. However only a few ever remain, with names such as Debian, SuSE, RedHat
[10:40] <seb128> -                and Mandrake being the most notable.</para>
[10:40] <seb128> +           <para>There are many GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake)but
[10:40] <seb128> +                    Ubuntu distinguishes itself as a different, better, kind of distribution.</para>
[10:40] <seb128> 
[10:40] <seb128> that's the diff between both
[10:41] <froud> yes that was Jeffs patch
[10:42] <seb128> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/aboutubuntu/about-ubuntu.xml
[10:42] <seb128>  	    <para>There are many GNU/Linux distributions (e.g., Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake)but
[10:42] <seb128>                     Ubuntu distinguishes itself as a different, better, kind of distribution.</para>
[10:42] <seb128> 
[10:42] <seb128> the string is in the SVN for sure
[10:42] <froud> the second one is yes
[10:42] <froud> but not the first
[10:43] <froud> if  you like I can change the better for you
[10:43] <froud> delete it if you like
[10:43] <seb128> that's just a bit pretentious
[10:44] <froud> Ok hang in there I will delete
[10:44] <seb128> thanks
[10:47] <froud> seb128: ok svn up
[10:47] <froud> you have a new revision of the xml and pot
[10:47] <froud> in trunk/aboutubuntu
[10:48] <froud> chaps I must go. Please email the list with any problems or if you want to commit files/patches.
[10:48] <claude> froud: bye
[10:48] <froud> Burgundavia: can you handle any commits
[10:49] <froud> claude: show
[10:49] <Burgundavia> sure
[10:50] <Kinnison> burger!
[10:50] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> to both of you
[10:50] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:50] <froud-away> seb128: you ok now?
[10:51] <seb128> yep, thanks
[10:51] <seb128> I'll mail a french version tonight
[10:51] <seb128> BTW you guy should freeze the strings now
[10:52] <froud-away> cool, night night dont let the bed bugs bite
[10:52] <seb128> 'night
[10:52] <froud-away> I will tag once we have l18n
[11:02] <carlos> claude: the right term is "carlos will try to get it into Rosetta on Tuesday" ;-)
[11:05] <seb128> carlos: you suck
[11:06] <seb128> translations are a real mess for hoary
[11:06] <carlos> seb128: I love you too :-)
[11:06] <seb128> I'll fix the french one but I guess we will not have other complete stuff
[11:06] <mdke> i suggested on the list that I contact the italian group to get translations done.
[11:07] <mdke> is anyone interested in this?
[11:07] <mdke> perhaps we could contact other groups?
[11:08] <claude> i think if we could add this stuff into Rosetta, things could go quickly (carlos, don't feel stressed :-)
[11:11] <mdke> *coughs*
[11:12] <carlos> claude: as soon as you have clear that application translations have preference in my task queue, that's fine for me
[11:13] <claude> in your last mail, you speak about possibility to let someone upload pot files directly into Rosetta
[11:14] <claude> think froud should be able to do it (enrico is away for two weeks)
[11:15] <claude> we'll discuss it in the mailing list as soon as Rosetta will be up again
[11:15] <carlos> claude: ok
[11:16] <mdke> *coughs*
[11:16] <Burgundavia> this issue with rosetta is large blocks of text correct>
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:17] <claude> mdke: you should stop smoking :)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> do you guys need me to commit to the svn doc repo?
[11:21] <claude> i'm leaving now, bye
[11:23] <mdke> hmm
[11:23] <mdke> courteous
[11:24] <Burgundavia> right
[11:24] <Burgundavia> could also be 2nd lang stuff
[11:24] <Burgundavia> I know I don't sound very friendly in french
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[11:24] <mdke> lol
[11:25] <mdke> but my question wasn't answered
[11:25] <Burgundavia> but I don't look lovely in french maids outfits
[11:25] <mdke> in any language
[11:25] <Burgundavia> mdke, go nuts
[11:25] <Burgundavia> well, maybe not
[11:25] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: I'm not convinced that anyone does
[11:25] <Burgundavia> http://www.threewisheslingerie.com/french.asp
[11:26] <Burgundavia> but then again, those kind of people don
[11:26] <Burgundavia> do anythng for you
[11:26] <mdke> Burgundavia, i wont go nuts, but i was just trying to help out
[11:26] <Burgundavia> hey coo
[11:26] <Burgundavia> that site even uses thawte
[11:26] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: those photos are very giggleworthy
[11:27] <Burgundavia> http://www.threewisheslingerie.com/images/openmaidset.JPG
[11:27] <Burgundavia> I like that one
[11:27] <mdke> bah
[11:28] <Burgundavia> I realize that there are a lot of good games for linux
[11:28] <Burgundavia> you just have to find them
[11:28] <Burgundavia> thus I want to promote them better
[11:29] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: slag :-)
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:29] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: seminekkid french maid
[11:30] <mdke> you guys are always flirting ;p
[11:31] <Kinnison> No dear. I'm always flirting
[11:31] <Burgundavia> lol
[11:31] <mdke> lol
[11:31] <mdke> he doesn't flirt back?
[11:32] <mdke> unrequited irc love... sucks
[11:32] <Burgundavia> I want to be the camera man
[11:32] <Burgundavia> I haven't heard back from mako yet
[11:32] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: feelthy voyeur
[11:32] <Burgundavia> rofl
[11:33] <Burgundavia> mdke: your ears couldn't take it?
[11:33] <Burgundavia> -- mdke has quit (Excess Flood)
[11:33] <mdke> weird disconnection
[11:33] <mdke> holy shit
[11:33] <mdke> i flooded in a /query???
[11:33] <mdke> bizarre
[11:35] <mdke> is that possible?
[11:36] <mdke> so can i take it that the translation team doesn't need extra translators?
[11:42] <carlos> mdke: I doubt it, you should talk with people for the language you are interested on, I'm sure they will be happy to get more help
[11:43] <mdke> i'm not interested in a specific language
[11:43] <mdke> i was suggesting perhaps contacting the locoteams
[11:43] <mdke> and specifically i volunteered to contact the italian team
[11:45] <Kinnison> coo; you've scared burgey off
[11:45] <mdke> me?
[11:46] <mdke> :(
[11:46] <Kinnison> yeah; must be you 'cos I'm lovely and sweet
[11:46] <mdke> you scare meeeeeee
[11:46] <mdke> did you watch dr who this evening?
[11:46] <Kinnison> yep
[11:46] <Kinnison> was good
[11:46] <mdke> good huh?
[11:46] <mdke> i liked it
[11:47] <mdke> hmm
[11:47] <Kinnison> this is the campest doctor we've had in ages
[11:47] <Kinnison> it's wonderful
[11:47] <mdke> whoa that's saying something
[11:47] <mdke> i think the scripting is good
[11:47] <mdke> lots of funny lines
[11:47] <Kinnison> Russell T. Davis good.
[11:47] <mdke> billie is good ;)
[11:47] <mdke> everything good
[11:47] <Kinnison> "Many planets have a north"
[11:47] <Kinnison> I loved that line
[11:47] <mdke> LOL
[11:48] <mdke> so good