=== mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-18.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~meh@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz is now known as xara-away === xara-away is now known as Liz === Liz is now known as Liz-away === Skywind_ [~Skywind@221.226.194.41] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:14] hi, all [04:20] hello Skywind === trickie [~trickie@203-166-242-109.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:49] hello~, jeffsch === trickie [~trickie@203-166-242-109.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060020ed20f68f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz-away is now known as Liz [07:24] AFrican Greetings [07:25] kia ora [07:25] tho..im off again in a minute [07:25] i have the cooking bug today [07:25] so im baking up a storm [07:25] heh [07:25] chocolate brownies please [07:26] how about chocolate chip cookies instead? [07:26] with nuts in it? [07:26] cool [07:26] hot cross buns with chocolate chips in it [07:26] salut [07:26] nice to see you here again [07:26] as well as banana and coconut with nuts in it as well [07:26] greetings [07:26] Burgundavia: hi [07:26] ill bbl === Liz is away: I'm busy === froud sips at hot mug of creamy coffee [07:27] ooh..coffee === Liz runs off [07:27] bah coffee [07:27] is 10pm here [07:27] coffee and other things might be a bad thing to have that time of night === froud wonders why the mail box is so empty @08H17 [07:27] but then you don't sleep [07:28] I do so! [07:28] I was up at 8am this morning [07:28] 8am PST that is [07:29] Burgundavia: have to reaquired the habit of sleep again? I am happy to hear it [07:30] just jibing dude [07:30] np [07:31] just out of idle curiosty, how many rands do you pay a month for adsl? === froud check DNS, something is not right [07:31] about ZAR 1000 in all 2 X 3GB [07:32] hugely expensive for Africa [07:32] that is one of the problems we have [07:32] communications is expensive [07:32] ouch [07:32] $195 CAD [07:33] it means that most of the country cannot afford access to the Internet [07:33] do you have a static IP? [07:34] No [07:34] sucks [07:34] I have 512K down and 256 up [07:34] ouch [07:34] I get that $50 CAD [07:34] ~250 ZAR [07:35] http://www.telkomsa.net/products/adsl_telkom_internet.jsp [07:35] for 100 I would get a static IP and about twice that [07:35] yes [07:35] but Canada is one of the most wired counties on the planet [07:36] well we are fighting a monopoly here http://www.hellkom.co.za/ [07:36] the telco here is ~3billion is debt building the ADSL network [07:36] but they are a virtual monopoly (they used to be the monopoly) and can afford it [07:36] http://www.telscum.co.za/ [07:37] But in Canada most people can afford even a dialup [07:37] true [07:37] and local phone calls are free here [07:37] Here in Africa only a small percentage of people can afford it [07:37] once you pay the per month charge [07:37] it really holds back things like educations [07:38] The Shuttleworth Foundation and some partners did an Internet Fiesta recently [07:38] without early and constant exposure to computers/internet, it is very hard to become comfortable enough to get a job in the field [07:39] where they take and tent and computers out into rural areas for the kid to play on the Internet [07:39] cool [07:40] http://mithrandr.moria.org/blog/409.html [07:40] The Shuttleworth Foundation is doing some excellent work in this area [07:41] http://www.go-opensource.co.za/ [07:42] another initiative to increase the use of FOSS [07:42] I have seen some of their stuff [07:42] have you seen Tuxlabs [07:42] http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30 [07:42] I want to convince them to bring me on as a volunteer [07:42] pay my cost of living and I will work for them for about six months [07:43] He he, yeah we have a for organizations like that in South africa [07:44] all of which are promoting FOSS as a solution to bridinging the digital divide [07:44] I help them by doing gift contributions to thier projects [07:45] but this helps little when things like communications are expensive [07:45] some people here work for as little as ZAR 80 a day [07:46] some less 60 / day [07:46] The divide between the haves and have nots is huge in Africa [07:47] you seriously want to volunteer? [07:48] yes [07:48] if somebody pays my board, I will volunteer for six months for nothing [07:48] do you know who to contact [07:49] I sent something about 2 months ago to the shuttleworth foundation [07:49] to who? [07:49] but I guess I got the wrong person, as I didn't here back [07:50] who did you mail? [07:50] hmm [07:50] just thinking === froud goes off to get the email address [07:51] Zeenat Patel-Kaskar - Education Program Manager [07:51] I think [07:51] at tsf === froud msgs address [07:52] He is very nice person [07:52] very lucid [07:52] speak to him === jsgotangco [DaWorm@info9-219.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:07] hello [08:10] salut [08:22] bbl [09:04] any reason why the pot files are not in SVN [09:28] no idea [09:28] well, maybe I do [09:28] the translators not having access? [09:28] and it being close to release? [09:35] Ok well I have done a comit of the files [09:35] so people can checkout [09:36] I saw that [09:36] i have to start again..i lost everything when i had to reinstall ubuntu [09:36] Liz: ouch [09:36] and im running on hoary now === Liz is back (gone 02:09:35) [09:36] ouch is right [09:36] I really should back up my stuff [09:36] Liz: why did you have to reinstall [09:36] twice i had to do it in two days [09:36] but why [09:36] i have two hdds.. [09:37] but when i hooked in the the linux hdd..it wouldnt boot [09:37] so i tried to reinstall into a blank partition [09:37] and overrode the wrong one [09:37] twice [09:37] both my ubuntu setup, and my slackware one [09:38] so i wiped the whole drive and started again [09:38] next time try a boot diskette fist ;-) [09:38] my floppy wont work [09:38] that way you can access lilo or grub and fix it [09:38] boot diskettes wont work when i ask it to do that [09:38] oh dear [09:38] they keep failing.. [09:38] and when i do boot up..it wont always boot up the floppy [09:39] i was going to do it via the live cd [09:39] but even if i did..i wouldnt know what i was doing [09:39] how far have you got into the LearnLinux course [09:39] it is explained there [09:39] only just the first bit [09:40] Oh dear [09:40] i didnt get a chance to go back to do the next bit with class and the install fest i was at just recently [09:40] well I have a drop of Learn Linux in SVN [09:40] i was one of the helpers [09:40] installing debian tho [09:40] perhaps you can learn while you write on it to make it for Ubuntu [09:40] and i was surprised at how similar the install was [09:40] much the same [09:41] cause Ubuntu is based on Debian [09:41] yes..i just didnt realise how similar [09:41] the last time i installed debian, i could never get x to work [09:41] there is a lot of work to avoid forking [09:41] Oh well this is how we learn [09:41] i had no experience with a non gui setup [09:41] so that packages and improvements can go back to debian [09:41] Burgundavia: I expect it will fork [09:41] in fact, almost all of universe is just debian [09:42] oh you mean the distro [09:42] yes [09:42] sure, loads ofwork [09:42] one would think it would be easier [09:42] like the docs [09:42] we are about to see another sync to sid, imm. after hoary releases [09:42] I would like to biuld on top of GNOME and KDE [09:43] but the docs, especially the user ones are very much base on what it looks like [09:43] which is based on Gnome/kde [09:43] yes, but a custom layer is possible [09:44] there again, Ubuntu tries to stick very close to gnome defaults [09:44] like the ubuntu update manager is going into gnome [09:44] i havent tried kde on here yet [09:44] yes that's why I want to build the difference [09:44] and so is the app install [09:44] i dont really like kde that much..tho some of their files are quite handy [09:44] Liz: this should help you http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html [09:44] i found the kde ppp dial up thingy much easeir to config than the gnome one [09:44] kolf is very cool [09:45] kppp [09:45] kde rocks [09:45] Kubuntu rocks [09:45] Burgundavia: yes I know about update-manager in GNOME CVS. I wrote the doc and Jeff did the edit [09:46] anyway, I did an experiment some time back [09:46] personal preference i think..i have a small screen but i find that kde is huge even at 800x600 [09:46] i used to run it for a while there [09:46] but the difference is that most distros don't develop a tool in house and then push it back upstream [09:46] till i fell in love with gnome [09:46] I was able to build GNOME and an abstraction for Ubuntu [09:47] yes this is the greatthing about Ubuntu [09:47] Liz: come to KDE [09:47] Kongi is caling [09:48] :-) === froud goes back to work [09:49] lol [09:50] Liz: what brought you to ubuntu (and linux generally)? [09:51] ahh..you didnt read my post on learnlinux then? [09:52] nope [09:52] I have been busy with packaging recently [09:52] ahh [09:52] ok...ive been using linux for about 7 years now..basically.. a friend nagged me to use it [09:52] so i started by installing different ones [09:53] at that time..only caldera would actually install on my old system [09:53] and its just gone from there [09:53] but last year, jeff waugh mentioned ubuntu on the slug (sydney lug) on the slug mailing list [09:54] so you have been using Ubuntu since almost the beginning [09:54] i went to a meeting on the friday..where he showed a pre-released copy..saturday i was at a install-fest wehre they did another demo..got a copy of the pre-release version then..installed it..and been using it ever since [09:55] yah, I grabbed the Warty preview [09:56] I have only been using Linux since 2003 [09:56] iw as a little unsure about using debian..cause i felt it was for the more advanced user...but using ubuntu gets me closer to the goal of considering myself as an intermediate user of it === abelli [~john@cb0d93987063fd51.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] ciao a tutti [10:03] does someone here know a good way to audio-streaming (while clients are windows media player)? [10:08] doesnt the windows media player have audio-streaming? [10:08] Liz: im using linux [10:08] and i dont have a windows box [10:09] well..xmms does audio-streaming [10:09] well used to..i havent tried it under hoary y et [10:09] illd o that now [10:09] really? [10:09] yes..i used to listen to some of the ones linked to shoutcast [10:09] o my Saviour [10:12] Liz: have you ever tried it? [10:12] yes..xmms works [10:12] im connected to soulsvilleonline.com [10:12] via xmms [10:13] Liz: what plugin should i use? [10:13] mmmm no, i mean to stream. [10:13] its playing streaming music [10:14] ok thank you === Liz is away: I'm busy === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:19] enrico: bon jour [11:20] enrico: something about audio streaming, not concerning polygen. [11:20] enrico: dimme mpo' quello che sai. [11:20] not much [11:20] apt-get install icecast2 and work it out with the docs === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:36] hi [11:37] ciao === claude [~claude@212.35.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:38] This is the format of the translations tarball so we are able to import them automatically into Rosetta: [11:38] source/debian/po/template.pot [11:38] source/debian/po/en.po [11:38] source/po/foolib.pot [11:38] source/po/de.po [11:38] source/po/en.po [11:39] source/plugins/po/template.pot [11:39] source/plugins/po/de.po [11:39] source/plugins/po/en.po [11:39] libfoo0/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/foolib.mo [11:39] libfoo0/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/foolib.mo [11:39] libfoo-plugins/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/foolib-plugins.mo [11:39] libfoo-plugins/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/foolib-plugins.mo [11:39] it's an example [11:39] for the documentation you only need the "source/po/ tree" [11:40] and name the tarball: PACKAGENAME_UBUNTUVERSION_translations.tar.gz (as: pmount_0.5-1ubuntu2_translations.tar.gz) [11:40] carlos: you really don't like the mailing list, don't you? :) [11:41] enrico: dude, I just wake up. I'm still sleeping :-) [11:41] could this be available somewhere on the wiki ? [11:41] carlos: ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com [11:42] claude: Yeah, perhaps it's a good idea to put it in the public wiki [11:42] enrico: ok, will do after breakfast [11:43] so now that enrico knows how to do :), we can hope that doc should be in Rosetta soon [11:46] claude: you better make sure someone else also knows how to: I'm packing now, leaving to Amsterdam for 2 weeks [11:47] enrico: will you post it on the ubuntu-doc ? [11:47] I'll have rare network connection there, which I'll mainly use for my job: so, for Ubuntu things I'll only do emergencies (If I manage) [11:48] claude: I'd appreciate if someone else does: plane is leaving in 4 hours, and I still haven't packed [11:49] i personnally don't have enough skills to understand the details [11:49] so maybe carlos could send the post [11:50] claude: just try to understand the big picture, and maybe document it in the wiki [11:50] that'd be very useful already [11:50] and in trying to understand it, you'll ask to people and get them involved [11:50] froud and trickie are the people to talk with wrt the docteam [11:50] (Sean Wheller and Nick Loeve) [11:54] i'll see what i can do, good travel ! [11:54] enrico: ciao [11:54] enrico: ti saluta anche tannoiser. [11:56] claude: yeah, I will send the post [11:56] carlos: hollllla [11:56] abelli: :) [11:56] abelli: hola! [12:13] claude, enrico: mail sent [12:13] carlos: thanks!] [12:14] np [12:15] carlos: I moderated you in [12:15] carlos: and added you to "always accept" filters [12:16] enrico: ok, thanks [12:17] carlos: I've just subscribed to ubuntu-doc and maybe missed the post, could you resend to famille.paroz@bluewin.ch [12:18] :/ [12:18] claude: it should be in the web archive [12:18] but don't worry, Will forward it now... [12:18] thx carlos [12:19] sent [12:19] received :) === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:43] nite all === mdke [Matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-201-39.uniserve.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["gotta] === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060020ed20f68f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sabmoc [~alex@d154-20-136-124.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:12] does moin have a tag to display

? [09:31] don't know [09:36] hi Burgundavia [09:37] i found it, its the {{{ }}} [09:37] Burgundavia, join #ubuntu-ca its just me an ryan === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-44-154.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:49] hi [09:50] salut seb128 [09:50] what can we do for you? [09:50] anybody know how to make a xml file with the po translation ? "xml2po -o fr/about-ubuntu.xml -p about-ubuntu.po about-ubuntu.xml" seems to have issue for strings with xml stuff [09:51] about-ubuntu.xml: [09:51] Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; [09:51] Release. [09:51] gives [09:51] Welcome to Ubuntu Linux : The Release. [09:51] ie: it doesn't use the translation and drips the "&...;" [09:51] s/drips/drops/ [09:51] hmm [09:51] I have never used it [09:51] froud: ping [09:52] froud is the best bet for that [09:52] trying to make a french version of the "about ubuntu" :) [09:52] he is most knowledgable about this sort of stuff [09:52] sorry [09:52] np [10:00] yep [10:00] sorry [10:00] here now [10:00] froud: the issue with po stuff [10:00] as above === froud reads [10:00] is this not po2xml ? [10:04] it seems working for me [10:04] seb128: the value of the external entity is defined in /libs/global.ent which defines that the value must be taken from the file REVISION in the root of trunk [10:04] If the entity is not expanded prior to use of of po2xml it will be void [10:05] opps xml2po [10:06] seb128: but for now can you send me the new xml instance so I can test with it [10:06] hum [10:06] I've no new xml, that's the issue [10:06] I've the xml file and a po file with the translation [10:07] and I would like to generate the xml translation [10:07] and you cant reassemble it because this causes it to fail? [10:07] what I said before [10:07] about-ubuntu.xml: [10:07] Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; [10:07] Release. [10:07] about-ubuntu.po: [10:07] msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; [10:07] Release." [10:07] fr/about-ubuntu.xml: [10:07] Welcome to Ubuntu Linux : The Release. [10:07] [10:08] ups, po has [10:08] msgstr "Bienvenue sur Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: Version [10:08] &distro-version;" [10:08] [10:08] the generated fr/about-ubuntu.xml doesn't use the translation [10:08] but that works fine for other strings, I think that's due to the "&...;" parts [10:08] Hmm. I see. Well so long as the DocType Decl is the same and in the folder relative to the en version it will work [10:09] the problem is that the DocType Decl has entities [10:09] I need some other files ? [10:09] and we have not yet made providion for folders by language [10:09] I just have about-ubuntu.po and about-ubuntu.xml in my directory [10:10] You need trunk/ [10:10] oh, where is that ? [10:10] I've used to template sent by enrico on the list for the translation [10:10] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk [10:10] and grab the .xml from /usr/share/... [10:10] k [10:10] thanks [10:11] seb128: no thank you [10:11] seb128: but once the translated xml is in our trunk it will work [10:11] I'm doing a checkout atm, a min [10:11] provided that the translated instance is relative to the en version [10:12] after hoary we will provision for languages [10:12] does this mean there won't be any translated docs for hoary ? [10:12] so for now just create your new file with the convention about-ubuntu-.po about-ubuntu-.xml [10:13] no there will be [10:13] claude: just cause we dont hav ethe folders does not mean we wont translate [10:13] ok, the -fr in the same folder than original [10:13] yes for now [10:14] after hoary we will be restructuring svn to accomodate l18n [10:14] seb128: i've succeeded in generating the -fr xml file [10:14] in the SVN tree ? [10:15] no, locally [10:15] when you are ready you can just email the files to us [10:15] I want to review it display in the browser [10:15] I'll send it when it's reviewed :) [10:15] seb128: u can only do that when the xml file is in the same folder as the en document [10:16] yes, it was the case for me [10:16] I've the english xml [10:16] I've used the one in /usr/... [10:16] half of the translation are fine, only the one with xml tags are not correct [10:17] Hmm. better to test in working copy of [10:17] my command: po2xml about-ubuntu.xml about-ubuntu.po > about-ubuntu-fr.xml [10:17] but if you copy your localized doc into the aboutubuntu folder in usr/share it will also work [10:18] I've a localized po file [10:18] not a xml file [10:18] claude: can you add a page on how the translation cycle works in wiki [10:19] seb128: you must transform po back to xml [10:19] I don't have a po2xml === mdke [Matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:19] oops, i'm still newby... [10:19] froud: hum, I'm not clear ? [10:19] seb128: install xml2po [10:19] "xml2po -o fr/about-ubuntu.xml -p about-ubuntu.po about-ubuntu.xml" seems to have issue for strings with xml stuff [10:19] that's the right command or not [10:20] try to replace fr/about-ubuntu.xml with about-ubuntu-fr.xml [10:20] all files in the same folder [10:20] k [10:21] nop, doesn't work === i3dmaster [~i3dmaster@c-67-177-236-7.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:22] seb128: are all files in the same folder [10:22] yes [10:22] that is the aboutubuntu files [10:22] in the SVN trunk it segfaults [10:23] nice, lemme check what's wrong [10:23] my version of poxml(warty) : 4:3.2.3-2 [10:23] I don't have poxml [10:23] you need poxml [10:23] I use xmp2po from gnome-doc-utils [10:24] xml2po [10:24] hum [10:24]