[12:01] but python-soya is arch: i386 [12:01] so why the hell buildd is building it for all... [12:02] ah, d3vic3 has changed it to i386...during the pythin transition.... [12:02] easy fix ;-) [12:02] so its ok... [12:02] lets just rip it off... [12:04] such a change is ok for you? [12:04] what should i do about it ? rewrite soya ? [12:04] if it's a "all" package [12:05] why restricting it to i386? [12:05] but it cant build on all [12:05] in fact it never has according to the build logs [12:06] at least from 0.6.1 to 1.0.5 it hasnt...so its pointless to have it as all [12:07] dang! [12:07] Debian has it in all === crimsun slaps his forehead [12:07] I just dput a package that's in main :< [12:07] i'll put it on cant build with a comment... [12:08] crimsun, dont worry, it will silently disappear [12:08] ogra: will you need to bump the revision to upload it? [12:09] crimsun, yup... if one version has been uploaded thats the way to go....(another would be to beg elmo to wipe it from the queue) [12:10] ogra: ok, http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ubuntu-motu/ has the version that I accidentally dput [12:10] ogra: that fixes FTBFS on ia64 [12:10] ogra, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/soya/0.9.1-2ubuntu1/soya_0.9.1-2ubuntu1_20050301-0548-amd64-failed [12:10] I don't know what to think of all those weird build failures [12:11] guys, does grub work on amd64? === schweeb doesn't have any boxes so is unsure [12:12] I certainly hope it does, or ogra wouldn't be online ;) [12:12] schweeb, sure [12:12] ok, heh [12:12] crimsun, i'd take lilo ;) [12:12] hehe [12:12] h8 lilo [12:13] grub... I read hurd :-) [12:13] hah [12:13] hurd, how useful [12:14] crimsun, do you bump the version number ? then i'll upload [12:14] ogra: ok, I'll do that. [12:17] I guess that weekend will be kind of a marathon for fixing the universe [12:17] hopefully monday is a day off here [12:17] herve: pretty much === lamont__r [~lamont@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] welcome tritium! [12:18] erm... [12:18] nevermind :-) [12:18] it's sign I need to sleep :-) [12:18] good night all [12:19] night herve [12:20] ogra: uploaded. [12:20] great [12:20] thanks! :) [12:21] crimsun, i assume you tested it extensively.... [12:24] it runs, yes. Installs and uninstalls and upgrades cleanly. [12:25] the real fix is for IA64, and it's pulled from Debian Sid's 0.8.9-3 [12:26] ok [12:28] uploaded [12:28] thanks :) [12:32] back in a bit === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] hello === goedson [~goedson@200.150.28.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] ogra: gnomebaker entered Debian. This means I may remove it from UniverseNewPackages, right? [01:05] goedson, hmm, ok [01:08] yikes [01:08] hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } [01:08] ide: failed opcode was: unknown [01:08] hda: drive not ready for command [01:08] my hard drive is giving me fits [01:08] that looks quite bad [01:09] yeah, I agree. I'm backing up everything right now before I have a disaster on my hands [01:09] good plan [01:10] this will be the second drive in 5 months with this laptop. Maybe it's time to look at a new one. [01:10] ogra, you have an amd64 laptop? [01:11] yup [01:11] May I ask the make and model? [01:11] acer aspire 1520 [01:11] Thanks. You happy with it? [01:11] but i wouldnt recommend it if you are after a good keyboard or a good case [01:12] I see. [01:13] oh, and the builtin wireless only works with win drivers, but ndiswrapper doesnt support them yet (using a pcmcia card currently) [01:13] one of the remaining quirks, I guess? [01:14] but it was the cheapest amd64 machine i could get (80GB HDD, 512MB widescreen 15,4", nvidia 64MB) [01:14] nice [01:14] DVD/CD writer... [01:14] 1250 [01:14] Cool. [01:15] there don't appear to me many more AMD64isms anymore. Is that fairly safe to say? [01:16] yop, if you can live without java and flash plugin :) [01:16] yeah, no problem :) [01:18] cool, thanks for the info. I might compare against powerbooks. I think I'm done with Dell, for sure. [01:19] they told me today that you can get a powerbook g5 for a similar price now [01:19] hey tritium [01:19] hi trulux|working :) [01:19] g5? really? wow [01:20] tritium, ask zyga in -devel he told me... [01:20] ogra, cool. Thanks. [01:20] tritium: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SELinux <- 75% completed :) [01:20] trulux|working, nice :) [01:28] ogra: !!! [01:28] tseng [01:28] ogra: key is signed! [01:28] whatsup ? [01:28] YAY YAY YAY === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.96.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] YAY [01:28] hooray! [01:28] \O/ [01:29] tseng: good work [01:29] tseng, :) [01:38] heh I tried [01:38] i guess he's too busy with his beard [01:38] darned beards. [01:39] hehe [01:39] you need to post on planet about it. [01:39] :p [01:39] "manoj is my hero, even if he is nuts" [01:45] ugh, #u is madness [01:45] what's going on? [01:46] you know what ill just mail mako again anyway [01:46] with the CoC [01:46] crimsun, because bluefoxicy is there ? [01:47] hah "big indian" [01:47] ogra: just generally :) [01:48] heh [01:52] ogra, now that I'm investigating G5s, I'm wondering why there's no 64-bit powerpc stuff [01:53] tritium: it's in debian, dunno about the design decision to not include it [01:53] crimsun, oh, okay. Thanks. [01:54] tritium, we have a g5 kernel....but no explicit system... [01:54] I see [01:58] ogra: i just do gpg --sign CoC.txt, right? [01:59] yop [02:00] yay [02:01] tseng, the other 3 signs were not sufficient ? [02:01] they arent very strong if you follow them [02:02] ah, i see [02:02] so i waited for manoj, who is a gpg diety === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-18.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] tritium: ppc64 requires some toolchain work which we didn't have time for for Hoary [02:38] and there hasn't been a clear demand [02:52] mdz, oh, thanks for the info :) [03:12] whew, good thing I didn't start on clanlib [03:12] I suggest we also remove the packages we fix from "The list" [03:27] ok, lincity definitely builds on [i386] [03:27] must have been buildd screwage, judging from http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/l/lincity/1.12.1-1/lincity_1.12.1-1_20050324-0454-i386-failed [03:30] crimsun: time's about right [03:30] everything before 20050324-1857 or so [03:30] is at least somewhat suspect [03:30] ah ok. [03:30] thanks for the clarification. [03:30] and even after that, if you see bitchiness about /dev/null permissions, check if it's marked 'needs-build' or 'failed' in buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary-test.all.$arch [03:30] if failed, poke lamont [03:31] ok. === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] wb tritium [04:44] thanks :) [04:48] I noticed that dholbach signed my krecipes package :) [04:49] congrats! :) [04:49] Thanks! === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060020ed20f68f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suifur [~suifur@suifur.linuxfordummies] has left #ubuntu-motu ["All] [07:12] pike7.* make me want to bash my forehead against a brick wall [07:12] ? [07:13] the only one that has successfully built on all 4 arches is 7.6, but 7.6 is too new for the two apps I'm trying to fix [07:13] both 7.2 and 7.4 are broken on at least one arch [07:13] (FTBFS, that is) [07:13] ah [07:14] so now I get to try and unbreak 7.2 and 7.4 so I can unbreak the two packages I _originally_ intended to fix. [07:14] heh, gonna be a long morning [07:15] nice work, crimsun [07:15] not yet ;) [07:15] Well, I admire the effort already [07:15] so do I, though my stomach doesn't. Hmm, food time. === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] hi daniel [08:42] Hi there. Oliver sort of convinced me the other day that I should visit you guys on this channel [08:42] yes, welcome [08:43] now we have three daniels [08:43] to see what the motu team is up to [08:43] Hi Daniel :) [08:43] /wiki/MOTU is a good place to start [08:44] basically we're nearly finished with the Python 2.4 transition and are delving madly through the DoesntBuild list, prioritised by PriorityList [08:44] trying to get as much of universe building on all 4 arches as possible [08:44] oh, and we have 1 1/2 weeks to do that ;) [08:44] you can't never have too many Daniels on a project [08:45] And one of these days I'm going to learn python. THere is too many people around trying to convince me to do so, and it was one of the reason to get into Ubuntu in the first place for me last fall [08:46] yeah, ubuntu is big on gnome and python === crimsun stabs pike7.4 [09:13] have a good morning, crimsun. === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-046-099.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@l03v-3-79.d2.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td90919ad.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] goooood morning! how are you all? [09:44] salut [09:45] hey Burgundavia :-) [10:08] dholbach: morning sucks :) [10:09] schweeb: oh don't complain :-) [10:10] schweeb: i only slept 5h30m because somebody thought it was early enough to phone me :-) [10:10] heh [10:10] I should be sleeping myself [10:11] but I'm all hopped up on mountain dew [10:13] :-) [10:15] it is rather interesting being awake for all the drunk people who come home and randomly IM you :) [10:25] hahaha :-) === prettylove [~prettyife@213.255.219.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] hi, kaloz [10:33] hi riddell === prettylove [~prettyife@213.255.219.65] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.96.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] why is irssi-text in the Pri-List... isn't that in main? [11:44] schweeb: hmm, tick it off or mark it as "main's job" [11:46] looks like crimsun may have done something to it... dunno what or why [11:48] which, if he actually went through and fixed that and the other packages under "done", he should probably remove the build-failed links to them [11:50] argh, I better go to bed [11:50] it's nearly 6am here [11:50] night [11:52] good night [11:52] probably it's my fault [11:52] maintaining those lists is a horror [11:52] so i maybe overlooked it === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] morning! [12:03] hey herve [12:03] herve: how are you today? [12:03] slept well, much better! [12:03] ready to start the motu marathon! [12:03] gooooooood :-) [12:03] oh... even better ;-) [12:08] not really actually [12:08] breakfast first! === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] lamont, ping [12:32] hi Amaranth [12:32] hi [12:35] doko, ping === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thomaskorwed [~vb@rule-dk2.smca.yahoo.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thomaskorwed [~vb@rule-dk2.smca.yahoo.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] morning.... [01:26] darn, i missed robitaille [01:26] hey ogra [01:26] morning ogra [01:26] how was that hacking night? [01:27] tired... [01:27] I didn't mean the consequences :-) [01:31] herve, no, but the night too, i didnt really find my starting point... [01:33] I must admit I lost motivation yesterday night === ogra [~ogra@p5089E502.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] Ugh. I'm so damn pissed off. :P [02:07] by what ? [02:08] Ordered two sticks of ram a month ago to upgrade my current pc [02:08] Did the math, figured I could afford a new rig, and ordered the new pc. [02:08] Now my mother calls, they just delivered all the last components. But I still haven't recieved the ram. [02:08] Ordered it at a diffent shop. [02:08] gah [02:09] Now I check at the shop who got the rest of the components, and they also sell that ram, and have it in stock. [02:09] Now I want to cancel the order and order it at the shop that actually has the stuff, but they won't awnser the phone. Guess they are in church or something. [02:11] yeah, its easter... [02:11] No, tomorrow is easter. :P [02:12] yeah, but.... [02:12] So, now I have to cancel the order on tuesday, order it in the other shop, payment due wednesday, and if i"m lucky, I'll have it friday. [02:12] (in germany we already have a public holiday on friday....) [02:12] in Alsace too [02:13] ogra, yeah. I didn't think about it yesterday either. I was in the train, and my public transport pass wasn't valid. Only on working days. Had to pay a fine. [02:13] so many ppl dont work on saturday... [02:13] gah [02:13] Now for me it is a working day. :P [02:13] The employee didn't agree [02:14] hmm.. [02:14] so you have to convince the conductor :) [02:15] (guessing for him it was a working day too, the chances arent to bad ;) ) [02:18] herve: pong [02:18] hi doko [02:18] I suggest we just drop zopectl and zope-zshell [02:19] why zope-zshell? [02:21] unmaintaned [02:21] and written by the time of zope 2.6 [02:21] it patches the roots of Zope [02:22] I doubt it would still work with all the changes in zope 2.7 [02:24] herve: sip4-qt3 uploaded [02:24] muhahaha! [02:33] herve: did you test it? [02:33] not yet [02:33] I'm finishing with the python transition in itself [02:46] sometimes I don't understand how DDs choose their dependencies [03:01] Yes. managed to cancel that damned order. :P [03:02] congrats [03:03] And I'm not paying the other shop until I see the order is ready to be shipped. :P === ogra groars at all these missing python gnome functions [03:04] damned, do they only implement what they like ?? [03:05] it's free software ;-) [03:05] half of the stuff i can do in gtk-perl is missing in pygtk, thats annoying [03:05] ogra: did you only get that notion just now? [03:06] gnome imho doesn't listen very well / at all [03:06] nope, but at the moment i have to fix a bug in hwdb-client that would require only one line if not half of the functions were not missing [03:07] write the function, and propose a patch to pygtk to add the function there? [03:08] gah, then i'll rather find a workaround, i dont have the time to fix pygtk currently.... i simply rely on the fact they call it a stable implementation and wouldnt expect that functions available in ALL other bindings are missing there... [03:09] thats just ill [03:09] ogra, have you check if it was implemented in CVS? [03:10] herve, i already asked them in #pygtk.... they told me gnomecanvas will be obsolete once so they wont iplement the missing bits, GRRR [03:10] and gnome has been stabilized for just a few days... [03:12] ho good... [03:12] a configure script asking a question [03:12] nice to script in debian/rules :-) [03:13] herve, gnomecanvas is a _very_ old implementation, it is not related to that new release [03:13] so they make it right? [03:13] but simply everything described here is missing: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/libgnomecanvas/GnomeCanvasRichText.html#gnome-canvas-rich-text-get-buffer [03:14] (and not planned to get implemented) [03:15] and what superseded it? [03:17] the waiting on a stable cairo implementation (which still might take more then 6 months) [03:18] i'm just upset by the ignorance.... [03:18] than, even :-) [03:19] sounds like 6 months is worth binding gnomecanvas in python [03:19] might be, but i have to match a release date with my SW so i wont look into it now :) [03:20] Hm. So in six months time, gnome might start on a 3.0, using cairo? [03:20] HiddenWolf, that was just a gues, it might tae 3 months it migth take 2 years [03:21] its simply that a very ancient functionallity is missing _now_ and i need it _now_ [03:24] bbl [03:27] Sorry ogra, but that's how it works. Little incentive not to do what you don't want to, and an easy excuse to avoid doing it. (you can get to the source, add it yourself -kind of idea) === HiddenWolf is off to buy thermal paste and some other stuff. === herve_ [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] I *hate* those random crashes [03:31] dholbach left? === herve_ is now known as herve [03:32] so we have until the 30th to get things done? [03:32] was reading the hoary release schedule, a bit confused [03:33] hoary universe will be kinda frozen afterwards [03:33] it will make things difficult to fix packages [03:34] you mean it'd be froze from the 30th until breezy starts, right? [03:35] nope, frozen like warty is [03:35] only security updates, rougly [03:35] (roughly) [03:36] herve, yes, he had a short night.... [03:36] (dholbach) [03:37] ok, the nap he programmed :-) [03:37] :) [03:37] have you guys checked luminocity? [03:38] nope [03:38] ogra, I think it's related to what you talked about [03:38] cairo, no? [03:38] ah, yeah, that one from seths blog... [03:38] looks like it [03:39] sure, i've seen it and look forward to program with it...but that doesnt help me now :-/ [03:40] sure [03:46] does anyone know how I change the font in Wine from something-serif to something-sans-serif? [03:48] I'm tempted to answer windows' control panel :-) [03:53] herve: *whack* [03:53] herve: I don't have windows, only some windows app running in wine [03:53] (I almost wrote "whine")( [04:31] hey, a euro! [04:31] wash your clothes and earn $$$ [04:57] Get rich fast!! === Lathiat [~lathiat@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] herve: mornign [05:27] lamont, hi [05:27] we uploaded a new version of poker3d [05:28] but it never appeared in the archives [05:28] though it successfully compiled on all archs [05:28] when was the upload? [05:29] buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.amd64:universe/games/poker3d_0.2.12-1ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+king [optional:uncompiled] [05:29] on all 4 architectures. [05:29] two days ago [05:29] Dependencies: libxml2-python2.3 [05:29] so you fixed that build-dep, and you need it kicked>? [05:30] where did it successfully compile? hoary-test? === LBM [~lbm@messecenteraars.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] I don't really know those procedures [05:31] but if you say it needs a kick, let's go! [05:31] ok. lets back up. [05:31] though it successfully compiled on all archs - where did you get this information?> [05:32] and, was the upload 2 days ago doing the python2.4 transition? [05:32] erm, I was think of another (problematic package) [05:32] so poker3d was upload but never built [05:32] (uploaded) [05:33] yes, I am still working on that python2.4 transition [05:39] my second concern is about sip-qt3 [05:39] this one was successfully built [05:40] but no news in the archives [05:42] sip-qt3 is marked 'uploaded', which means it almost certainly contains files not found in the overrides file. --> elmo love [05:42] because of new binary packages? [05:43] for future... if the package is marked as 'Dep-Wait' in buildLogs/Lists, and you upload a version that removes the build-depends: for the package it's blocked by, you must poke me. [05:43] new binary packages require NEW processing by elmo [05:43] got it [05:44] and what do you need to do for poker3d [05:44] update some file? [05:49] I tell wanna-build to pretend that libxml2-python2.3 is available. [05:50] which I have now done. [05:51] thank you === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:59] hey jani! [05:59] hey herve === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] hi folks! [06:21] is there some known problem with the ia64 buildd? [06:22] what do you mean? [06:22] I know fewer packages build on ia64 since there are fewer users [06:22] and testers/developers [06:23] I think he wonders if the ia64 buildd itself has bugs [06:23] I'm trying to fix some packages from UniverseDoesNotBuild, and the packages in question have build failiures on ia64 [06:23] e.g. here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/pidentd/3.0.16-7/pidentd_3.0.16-7_20050324-1300-ia64-failed [06:24] good one :-) [06:25] that one look like apt-get failed not the build itself [06:25] From the logs I would suspect that authentication should be taken out for sbuild [06:25] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! [06:26] I wonder why is that? Isn't that pulling from the ubuntu archives? [06:27] thats basically what I'm asking :) [06:28] siretart, my diagnosis is... ask lamont :-) [06:28] herve: :) [06:28] ugh [06:29] I think I should go back to bed [06:29] what time is it at yours? [06:31] 12:30p [06:31] note that said build log is from before 20050324-1857 [06:31] went to bed about 6:30a [06:31] schweeb, yes you're missing something :-) [06:32] jani: that was cluster #1 [06:32] it was found problematic, [06:32] ? [06:33] lamont, I don't know what cluster #1 means :) [06:34] jani: that's ok. [06:34] nothing to do with pink floyd I assume [06:34] s/cluster/disaster/ [06:34] no [06:34] is fire service term [06:34] means royal mess [06:34] aha [06:34] british or american English? [06:36] royal mess... so it's british? ;-) [06:37] jani:" american [06:37] fire serivce, military, etc. [06:37] ok thanks :)_ [06:39] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cluster [06:39]