[12:00] <tck> no
[12:00] <kdp> FishCrossing: there are 401 of us
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> noo
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> 400 :P
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> One is him
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> :>
[12:00] <johnf> St0n3-C0l,  okay but how do I change which is my default?
[12:00] <FishCrossing> so...can you answer my question?
[12:00] <kdp> lol, damn the math
[12:00] <msg43> St0n3-C0l: but what if wget is alreay running?
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> default OS ?
[12:00] <randy> is it easy to do?
[12:00] <johnf> yes
[12:01] <St0n3-C0l> msg43: sorry I use Downloader for X
[12:01] <St0n3-C0l> wait
[12:01] <Absenth> anyone running the new nVidia drivers?
[12:01] <kdp> absenth: you mean from the repository?
[12:01] <twodeko> hola ubuntu'ers
[12:01] <kdp> or the actual nvidia website?
[12:01] <msg43> St0n3-C0l: oh ok cause I'm in arch cause I wann dual boot with ubuntu and I have yet download the gnome
[12:01] <St0n3-C0l> johnf: PVT
[12:01] <FishCrossing> o well...ill just ask...
[12:01] <msg43> or anything else other than x and irssi
[12:02] <St0n3-C0l> msg43: Arch Linux got everything in their CD except GNOME :P
[12:02] <twodeko> can someone help me with this debootstrap error i have been getting
[12:02] <Absenth> kdp does thre repository have 71.67 drivers yet?
[12:02] <crimsun> no, and it won't for Hoary.
[12:02] <twodeko> i would like to get ubuntu working but it is very frustrating
[12:02] <St0n3-C0l> If they had GNOME in the CD so there was no problem getting those others
[12:02] <FishCrossing> If I downoad the ubuntu disk image from the site, burn it to a disk, put the disk into my windows pc, install Ubuntu, will I still be able to work with windows?
[12:02] <msg43> St0n3-C0l: but I don't use the cd though
[12:02] <Absenth> crimsun, was that directed at me?
[12:02] <msg43> I just use the cd for the basic
[12:02] <FishCrossing> I mean, will I have ubuntu and windows xp?
[12:02] <twodeko> crimsun, are you talking to me
[12:02] <msg43> I like being 100% up to date
[12:02] <crimsun> Absenth: yes
[12:02] <Bazzi> FishCrossing if you do it right, yes.
[12:02] <crimsun> twodeko: no
[12:03] <twodeko> aah ok
[12:03] <kdp> FishCrossing: thats called dualbooting, theres lots of resource on the ubuntu wiki
[12:03] <twodeko> has anyone ran into the debootstrap install error
[12:03] <FishCrossing> so I should have 2 operating systems and it will just ask me to choose one at startup?
[12:03] <Bazzi> FishCrossing you must have a partition on your ahrddisk exclusively for ubuntu, though.
[12:03] <Absenth> I guess if I want the newer drivers I'll have to install the old fasioned way :)
[12:03] <Bazzi> yes
[12:03] <Bazzi> thats the math
[12:04] <kdp> absenth: is there a benefit to running the latest drivers?
[12:04] <kdp> the ones in the repo seem to work fine for me
[12:04] <FishCrossing> and if i just install it withought the partition what happens?
[12:04] <St0n3-C0l> FishCrossing: Yes, It will install its own bootloader which will list Windows Partition too
[12:04] <Absenth> kdp, I don't know yet.  I just found out they were released.  I'd bet it improves some of the higher end functions that virtually no games use.
[12:04] <twodeko> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22081
[12:05] <Bazzi> Absenth doom3 does ;)
[12:05] <black_Nightmare> does anyone know of any problem with hoary preview livecd and ati mobility 9000 or no?
[12:05] <kdp> FishCrossing: if you dont partition ahead of time, ubuntu will wipe out your entire harddrive
[12:05] <Absenth> Bazzi, that's why "most" was in that sentence :)
[12:05] <FishCrossing> why that little bitch...
[12:06] <Absenth> or Virtually.....  :P
[12:06] <Bazzi> Absenth hehe I know
[12:06] <twodeko> so no one else has had this debootstrap error then
[12:08] <twodeko> because its halting my install and it just seems like something that should be a common problem
[12:08] <twodeko> but on the forums there is no solution, or the ones that have worked for people dont for me
[12:08] <black_Nightmare> hm I guess not
[12:09] <Bazzi> I dont even know that that error means ;)
[12:09] <twodeko> when i install
[12:09] <twodeko> i can partition the disks, and then the part that installs the base libs it stops at the same one and gives me that error
[12:09] <twodeko> if you look at the link i put before it describes the problem
[12:10] <St0n3-C0l> When I play one song in Totem my gnome-panel restarts
[12:10] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:10] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:10] <twodeko> thats not good
[12:10] <twodeko> heh
[12:10] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[12:10] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:10] <Kerempeng> how to play mp3 ?
[12:11] <tck> Kerempeng, get xmms
[12:11] <St0n3-C0l> Ubuntu uses udev ? or devfs ?
[12:11] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah :P
[12:11] <tck> St0n3-C0l, udev
[12:11] <chavo> ooh xmms?
[12:11] <Kerempeng> i'm in ubuntu live cd
[12:11] <St0n3-C0l> that /dev/discs/disc0 like this type ?
[12:11] <chavo> they still have that?
[12:11] <St0n3-C0l> or /dev/hda one ?
[12:11] <tck> Kerempeng, sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:11] <Bazzi> twodeko maybe a hardware error?
[12:12] <twodeko> wont you need xmms-mpg123?
[12:12] <Bazzi> ram b0rked maybe?
[12:12] <twodeko> Bazzi, i think the cdrom drive isnt reading well
[12:12] <twodeko> but i dont know what to do about that
[12:12] <twodeko> since i have installed other distros fine
[12:12] <kdp> kerempen: you could always install the mp3 codecs......of dubious legality
[12:12] <Bazzi> get a new one? ;)
[12:12] <sophie_msumu> kdp thanks
[12:12] <Bazzi> or install from harddisk maybe?
[12:12] <twodeko> Bazzi, i have two :p
[12:13] <twodeko> how would i do that
[12:13] <Kerempeng> tck: i think it can't on livecd
[12:13] <kdp> sophie_msumu: np
[12:13] <Bazzi> twodeko err.... well... yeah...
[12:13] <twodeko> Bazzi, heh... its ok
[12:13] <twodeko> im going to have someone burn it for me
[12:13] <twodeko> since k3b isnt making these cd's bootable
[12:13] <St0n3-C0l> tck: udev is that which ArchLinux uses bydefault ?
[12:14] <St0n3-C0l> /dev/discs/disc0/part1 thingie
[12:14] <syn-ack> Thats not udev
[12:14] <St0n3-C0l> then ?
[12:14] <siimo> whats wrong with the hoary gnome-window-list ? in the panel? this is a non-ubuntu system and the window list looks fine -> i thought this bug was fixed   look at the non ubuntu screenshot here: http://www3.150m.com/screenshots/non-ubuntu-Screenshot.jpg
[12:14] <Bazzi> twodeko oh, I use nero, that never disappointed me so far.
[12:14] <siimo> in ubuntu hoary the tabs on the window list do not take up the whole space still...
[12:15] <tck> St0n3-C0l, not sure
[12:15] <twodeko> is haory alright to try out
[12:15] <syn-ack> siimo: udev is a replacement for devFS.
[12:15] <twodeko> shouldnt the stable hoary be out soon?
[12:16] <syn-ack> St0n3-C0l, rather
[12:16] <siimo> syn-ack, what the heck? im talking about the ubuntu window list in gnome
[12:16] <Bazzi> I use hoary, no problems yet
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> :S
[12:16] <syn-ack> TerminX: in about 3 weeks
[12:16] <siimo> syn-ack, the tabs on the list arent spread out like they should be when im in ubuntu they only take up the first little part of the panel
[12:17] <syn-ack> siimo: Im sorry, I was speaking to St0n3-C0l
[12:17] <syn-ack> siimo: You sure the resolution is correct?
[12:17] <siimo> syn-ack, yes
[12:17] <osity> how is ubuntu as a server....
[12:17] <siimo> bug with the window list in gnome.. on ubuntu
[12:18] <scizzo> siimo: doesn't that depend on how you set the max and min space that the window list can take?
[12:18] <siimo> scizzo, nope, min is 50 max is 4096
[12:18] <JDahl> osity, it's fine... like Debian with a kernel 2.6, I guess
[12:18] <siimo> scizzo, even in that screenshot above, and thats running gnome 2.10 final too
[12:18] <scizzo> and you have nothing else looking the panel space then?
[12:18] <siimo> scizzo, no i haven't
[12:18] <St0n3-C0l> ehe
[12:19] <JDahl> osity, (of course some people still say that kernel 2.6 is not for servers)
[12:19] <Bazzi> yeah, let's use 2.2 and win nt 4 as servers.
[12:19] <Bazzi> stop progress on software!
[12:19] <siimo> scizzo, and im having another problem in ubuntu where i cannot add the volume control . but thats another issue
[12:19] <snow> hi guys, whats the filename to change acpi trip_points an fan and colling data?
[12:20] <siimo> anyway im dist-upgrading again and it seems to be fetching an updated gnome-panel so will check if this fixes it
[12:20] <snow> i meant cooling
[12:20] <scizzo> siimo: I can't seem to understand the problem
[12:21] <siimo> scizzo, the tabs on the window list should spread out , but they don't go to the end . thats the problem
[12:21] <scizzo> I don't _see_ where the bug is or anything
[12:21] <siimo> scizzo, and they start grouping
[12:21] <scizzo> siimo: the grouping is intentional I think
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> tcp
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> who uses 3ddesktop :P
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> oh
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> kdp
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:22] <kdp> mmmmmmmmmm yes
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> how do i start 3ddesktop
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:22] <kdp> um, 3ddesk --acquire
[12:23] <scizzo> siimo: from what I know....it all depends on the user setting the min and max stuff for the applet...most of the time anyway...because I still don't see where the actuall bug is....the grouping IMHO is good...
[12:23] <kdp> and then 3ddesk
[12:23] <St0n3-C0l> hahaha
[12:23] <St0n3-C0l> kdp
[12:23] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:23] <St0n3-C0l> thats sumthing Strange :>
[12:23] <mishyk> How to install Ubuntu on video card Nvidia
[12:24] <mishyk> ???
[12:24] <kdp> mishyk: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:26] <showoff> has anyone had trouble with CDRW drives that stop working after you burn a disk?
[12:26] <siimo> scizzo, min determines initial size of a single tab
[12:26] <siimo> scizzo, max bigger than the panel size means tabs should spread out and take whole space but they are not in my case
[12:28] <scizzo> siimo: well I don't see the bug anyway...its been like that ever since I started to use GNOME anyway
[12:28] <siimo> scizzo, well it wasnt like that in gnome 2.4 or 2.6 or 2.8 and is not even in gnome 2.10 on non ubuntu systems
[12:28] <siimo> anyway brb
[12:30] <meister> hi
[12:30] <HappyPills> I'm trying to share a directory on my fat32 partition (using tuxserve for linux) and I keep permission denied errors, the directory is owned by root.root and I can't seem to change it with chown. any suggestions?
[12:30] <St0n3-C0l> scizzo: You want to decrease the size of ur TAbs ?
[12:30] <St0n3-C0l> Window Switchers ?
[12:31] <meister> i ve installed e17 + entrance (desktop manager) in hoary pre.. i replaced the line in /etc/X11/default-display-manager by entrance .. but ubuntu doesnt start entrance automatically.. why?
[12:31] <kdp> HAHAHAHAH "man" has its own man page
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> kdp: I installed and removed 3ddesk in a while
[12:32] <scizzo> St0n3-C0l: no
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:32] <loaofwar3> hi i just installed hoary and i cant print
[12:32] <Mestapheles> man man?
[12:32] <loaofwar3> i have epson color stylus 600
[12:32] <kdp> st0n3-c0l: i dont understand
[12:32] <Mestapheles> wow
[12:32] <loaofwar3> can anyone help?
[12:32] <siimo> scizzo, thanks for listening it seems to have fixed itself after a dist-upgrade again :P
[12:33] <meister> noone will help
[12:33] <loaofwar3> can anyone help? i have epson color stylus 600
[12:34] <scizzo> lookorez: have you actually added the printer?
[12:34] <loaofwar3> yes
[12:34] <loaofwar3> it is there
[12:34] <loaofwar3> but openoffice.org doesnt detect it
[12:34] <scizzo> lookorez: you have gimp-print installed?
[12:34] <St0n3-C0l> kdp: I installed 3ddesktop and removed in 5minutes
[12:34] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:34] <kdp> loaofwar3: did u try restarting cups?
[12:34] <loaofwar3> how do i do that?
[12:35] <johnf> hey what do I use in apt-get install to get bittorrent?
[12:35] <Mestapheles> hi
[12:35] <Mestapheles> has anyone tried to hdparm hoary?  I get a "No such file or dir"
[12:35] <kdp> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[12:35] <scizzo> loaofwar3: can you print a test page with the printer tools?
[12:35] <kdp> sorry, that was for loaofwar3
[12:35] <TomT64> does anyone have any experience with php regexps
[12:36] <TomT64> #php people don't answer well
[12:36] <kdp> st0n3-c0l: oh, you found it useless?
[12:36] <loaofwar3> i tried printing a test page.. and about 50 pages came out with bunch of nonsense
[12:36] <kdp> st0n3-c0l: not surprising, it really is
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah :P
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:36] <johnf> hey what do I use in apt-get install to get bittorrent?
[12:36] <scizzo> loaofwar3: sounds like you don't have gimp-print then
[12:36] <loaofwar3> how do i install that
[12:36] <loaofwar3> aptget?
[12:36] <scizzo> loaofwar3: use synaptic
[12:37] <St0n3-C0l> Gdesklets is much better option to impress your non-unix friends :p
[12:37] <tck> Mestapheles,  sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda
[12:37] <calc> St0n3-C0l: show them the console :)
[12:37] <scizzo> I think the epson printers needs the gimp-print stuff....but I am not 100% sure
[12:37] <tck> scizzo, aye
[12:37] <St0n3-C0l> they'll sleep in the tyme when It will move from one Window Switcher to Other
[12:37] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:37] <johnf> what do I use in apt-get install to get bittorrent on my computer?
[12:37] <calc> they can convert off awful GUI's to cli :)
[12:37] <blahrus> anyone know why i can burn an iso?
[12:37] <blahrus> with graveman
[12:38] <tck> get the gimp print data drivers, work a treat for ALOT of printers :)
[12:38] <kdp> johnf: its included in gnome
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> calc haha
[12:38] <loaofwar3> i do hav gimpprint installed
[12:38] <johnf> kdp, I cant find it though
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> I think u love terminal
[12:38] <Arti> hi
[12:38] <punkrockguy318> i love terminal
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:38] <scizzo> tck: ?
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> Arti ?
[12:39] <Arti> I'm new here
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> Hindu Girl Name
[12:39] <kdp> loaofwar3: try restarting cups, i had to do that before printer was detected
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[12:39] <punkrockguy318> i would be happy with like a pentium1 with linux.. i'd be happy as long as i coud have my terminals
[12:39] <Mestapheles> tck: I tried hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom, that 's wht works on warty
[12:39] <loaofwar3> i did restart it
[12:39] <Arti> says everyone. should change my nick perhaps
[12:39] <Lemonzest> hi
[12:39] <loaofwar3>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                         [ ok ] 
[12:39] <Arti> I'm neither indian nor girl :)
[12:39] <kdp> loaofwar3: oh
[12:39] <Mestapheles> is it ont dev/cdrom anymore?
[12:39] <calc> GUIs without justification just make things slower
[12:39] <Lemonzest> has anybody tryied quake3 on the amd64 verion of bunty?
[12:39] <Lemonzest> i tryied but it complaned about glibc-2.0
[12:39] <beowuff> Steff, if you like Arti, keep it.
[12:40] <tck> scizzo, scizzo I think the epson printers needs the gimp-print stuff....but I am not 100% sure
[12:40] <kdp> mestapheles: first, try sudo, then try /dev/hd#
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:40] <Artanis> not that important
[12:40] <scizzo> tck: yes?
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> For one second I thought you're girl and I got chance of flirting :P
[12:40] <kdp> sigh, all these hard to type name
[12:40] <tck> jasus
[12:40] <kdp> s
[12:40] <scizzo> tck: ....and?
[12:40] <Mestapheles> yes i d it sudo
[12:40] <calc> but most people converting off windows have never had access to a decent cli anyway so they don't know what they are missing
[12:40] <tck> i was replying saying yes they work for alot of printers agreeing
[12:40] <beowuff> St0n3-C0l, So, your the one driving off all the girls...
[12:40] <punkrockguy318> i need a new nick
[12:40] <scizzo> tck: ok.. :)
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> whats cli ?
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> no wrong ;)
[12:41] <punkrockguy318> i make everyones xchat screen push way over to the right
[12:41] <tck> command line interface
[12:41] <Artanis> btw.. I just installed ubuntu on my laptop and love it. I got wlan and suspend to disk to work, still can't believe it really
[12:41] <calc> St0n3-C0l: command line interface
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> I haven't flirted with anyone
[12:41] <kdp> and its always nice to know if something fails, its not the fault of a graphical program
[12:42] <scizzo> lovely the guy left without telling us if it worked...
[12:42] <kdp> and you can see everything go wrong right in front of your eyes, mwahahahahaha
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> Arti haha
[12:42] <robertj> calc: I'm just coming back fomr a long AFK period but what do you mean by "GUIs without justification just make things slower"
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> kdp lol
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> You're laughing :P
[12:43] <St0n3-C0l> but when it'll come to u :P You'll cry
[12:43] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:43] <beowuff> Maybe it's hysterical laughter?
[12:43] <kdp> lol, already happened several times
[12:43] <kdp> i used to use.......FEDORA (dun dun dun!) before ubuntu
[12:44] <robertj> kdp: I defected to Fedora from Debian so it wasn't much of a decision for me.
[12:44] <Artanis> I don't like debian (except of apt), but ubuntu is nice. I used fedora before too
[12:45] <St0n3-C0l> I was looking for the nick 'Arti' and Artanis changed his nick :p
[12:45] <Bazzi> ubuntu is <3
[12:45] <calc> robertj: things done in a gui just to make them graphical without thinking it through will in many cases make things slower
[12:45] <kdp> yes, much lighter...only 1 CD=excellent
[12:45] <Lemonzest> has anybody tryied quake3 on the amd64 verion of bunty?
[12:45] <Lemonzest> i tryied but it complaned about glibc-2.0
[12:45] <St0n3-C0l> kdp :p hAha :P
[12:45] <Artanis> I used artanis in some role playing games, and arti is the short form :)
[12:45] <robertj> calc: yeah, have you seen my gripes ;)
[12:45] <St0n3-C0l> same here
[12:45] <calc> robertj: no
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> Arti nice name :P
[12:46] <robertj> http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/
[12:46] <robertj> gripes 1-3 deal with gui stupidity in gnome
[12:46] <WeirdAl> 'lo.
[12:46] <WeirdAl> My sound's out of sync
[12:46] <robertj> calc: flash
[12:47] <calc> ah yea i don't have flash
[12:47] <robertj> the visual really helps, it makes them much more shameful ;)
[12:47] <St0n3-C0l> calc
[12:47] <calc> well unless the open source flash player works
[12:47] <St0n3-C0l> apt-get install flashplugin
[12:47] <WeirdAl> It's about a second or so after my visual.
[12:47] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:47] <WeirdAl> esd.
[12:47] <robertj> calc: they were recorded with vnc2swf so I would htink it would
[12:47] <calc> St0n3-C0l: there is no flashplugin deb for amd64
[12:48] <WeirdAl> Any ideas? :-)
[12:48] <calc> at least that i see in the archive
[12:48] <calc> robertj: ah ok
[12:48] <St0n3-C0l> ohh
[12:48] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:49] <calc> ouch it just killed my ff
[12:49] <St0n3-C0l> Seems to be very heavy flash files
[12:49] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:49] <robertj> St0n3: swf2flash is only fair at what it does
[12:49] <calc> yea the open source flash viewer is buggy
[12:49] <robertj> but its pretty easy to do
[12:49] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:49] <robertj> I read something about compat options, let me read the readme again on vnc2swf
[12:50] <St0n3-C0l> I am actually downloading sumthing and Unfortunately im gettng only 3kbs atm :P
[12:50] <St0n3-C0l> Thats also decreased to 720bytes :P
[12:51] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:52] <St0n3-C0l> Venus ??
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> gr8 news we got one alien from Venus :P
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> using Internet :>
[12:53] <WeirdAl> No one can fix my sound problems? :-(
[12:54] <St0n3-C0l> I think some champos Helpers are offline :P
[12:54] <St0n3-C0l> champs*
[12:54] <WeirdAl> I think I should come back during the day
[12:54] <St0n3-C0l> try rebooting ?
[12:55] <WeirdAl> nah, it's a persistent problem.
[12:55] <robertj> calc: Finder is by _far_ the best file manager I have seen
[12:55] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[12:55] <St0n3-C0l> its 5 A.M here
[12:55] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:55] <WeirdAl> Midnight here
[12:55] <__punkrockguy318> 6pm here
[12:55] <__punkrockguy318> 7pm*
[12:55] <robertj> calc: the bookmark area for files is dynamite
[12:56] <beowuff> 4pm here.
[12:56] <WeirdAl> stone -- what day is it for you?
[12:56] <Bazzi> 1am here =(
[12:57] <beowuff> 4PM -Friday.
[12:57] <WeirdAl> OMG you're yesterday.
[12:57] <WeirdAl> nearly
[12:57] <__punkrockguy318> your so tommorrow
[12:57] <beowuff> I feel so left behind...
[12:57] <robertj> calc: Dock and friends are good, but misunderstood. The fact that the task-switcher happens to be on the dock means it gets more emphasis than it should for that purpose
[12:58] <snow> hi guys, is   applications:///   in nautilus not working in ubuntu?
[12:58] <robertj> basically, anything you will use again in the next 15 minutes should get a link on the dock, but people don't use it that way
[12:58] <mgu> hello
[12:58] <chavo> snow, it's not working in Gnome 2.10
[12:58] <johnf> hey guys can someone tell me how to add the universal repository with horay? Its different from the old one now
[12:59] <snow> chavo, so how to modify the menu?
[12:59] <chavo> snow, I'm not sure, I gave up on gnome a couple of months ago.
[01:00] <Bazzi> hm, I like gnome over KDE :/
[01:00] <snow> chavo, why that?
[01:00] <johnf> hey guys can someone tell me how to add the universal repository with horay? Its different from the old one now
[01:00] <snow> guys, how to configure the gnome menu?
[01:01] <Mestapheles> does anyone knwo if enabling accel on rage 128 iMacs still result in lockups?
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> WeirdAL: Sat :P
[01:02] <ghack> hi all ;)
[01:02] <WeirdAl> ah, I'll let you off.
[01:02] <WeirdAl> lo
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> beowuff: In which Country you're located ?
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:02] <PacoBCN> Just reinstalled Ubuntu
[01:02] <ghack> anyone want to see the new upcoming version of gnomebaker with the new artwork and cue&bin support ? :)
[01:02] <PacoBCN> I installed it already 10 times, from Warty Beta to Preview Hoary
[01:03] <Mestapheles> installed 10 times? on the same computer?
[01:03] <johnf> St0n3-C0l,  how do I add the universal repository now with horay? I could do it on warty but its different now
[01:03] <aeyakovenko> has anyone been able to install ubuntu on an external usb drive?
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> "I'll let you off" What ya mean :P
[01:03] <PacoBCN> and I realized that despite I always try to keep it up to date, when you reinstall it you see changes you didn't see upgrading
[01:03] <PacoBCN> Mestapheles, yes
[01:03] <Mestapheles> why? problems?
[01:03] <PacoBCN> Mestapheles, kinda maniac of keeping it clean
[01:04] <WeirdAl> Well you're not Behind are you?
[01:04] <WeirdAl> You're not in Yesterday.
[01:04] <PacoBCN> Mestapheles, no, actually I reinstall everything in less than one hour
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> I am not :P
[01:04] <WeirdAl> Quite
[01:05] <WeirdAl> Therefore I'll let you off.
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> I am ahead of all
[01:05] <WeirdAl> People in Friday are so yesterday.
[01:05] <Mestapheles> I almost reinstalled upgraing from warty to hoary, I got stuck in between both releases 'cause of a third party thingy I installed from debian
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> so what ur mean is off. ?
[01:05] <WeirdAl> er
[01:06] <WeirdAl> I don't know what I mean now.
[01:06] <Mestapheles> but I made it thru, when I found uninstalled it.  What a headwach
[01:06] <WeirdAl> Headwich?
[01:06] <WeirdAl> Like a head between two slices of bread!
[01:06] <Mestapheles> headache
[01:06] <twodeko> gah
[01:06] <Mestapheles> lol
[01:06] <WeirdAl> oh
[01:06] <twodeko> GRUB didnt set up my disks properly
[01:06] <twodeko> POS
[01:06] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:07] <WeirdAl> disks?
[01:07] <WeirdAl> What are disks? :-P
[01:07] <WeirdAl> No but
[01:07] <WeirdAl> What did it do?
[01:07] <Mestapheles> I can't see what I'm typing 'cause this theme makes my fonts white and the background is white too
[01:07] <WeirdAl> _
[01:07] <eruin> give me breezy!
[01:07] <WeirdAl> Change the background
[01:07] <twodeko> there are 2 160 gig drives, 1 200 and 2 36's
[01:08] <Mestapheles> I just installed it, yeah I fiddle with it, still am
[01:08] <Mestapheles> it
[01:08] <twodeko> "selected disk does not exist"
[01:08] <Mestapheles> it's just xchat that does this
[01:08] <WeirdAl> Some of those must be on sata or rai
[01:08] <WeirdAl> d
[01:09] <WeirdAl> what does fdisk -l give you?
[01:09] <twodeko> yeah
[01:09] <twodeko> 2 are SATA
[01:09] <twodeko> the 36's
[01:09] <aeyakovenko> has anyone installed ubuntu on an external usb drive?
[01:09] <WeirdAl> You need drivers for sata
[01:09] <twodeko> it goes hda -> 200, hdb -> 160 hdc -> cdrom hdd -> 160
[01:10] <twodeko> shouldnt it install them automatically
[01:10] <WeirdAl> Er.
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> WeirdAL: TRY :P
[01:10] <WeirdAl> Pardon?
[01:10] <twodeko> im not in a prompt now
[01:10] <aardvark_> ?
[01:11] <WeirdAl> Well if it's meant to install them automatically then it didn't...
[01:11] <twodeko> im stuck in grub
[01:11] <twodeko> it doesnt loat anything
[01:11] <twodeko> well i installed linux to them, thought there would be drivers :p
[01:11] <WeirdAl> O_o
[01:11] <aeyakovenko> i installed ubuntu on a usb hard drive, but when it boots i get a kernel panic
[01:11] <twodeko> nevermind
[01:11] <twodeko> i got it
[01:11] <twodeko> grub is retarded
[01:11] <desrt> aeyakovenko; can't find initial console?
[01:11] <WeirdAl> :-)
[01:12] <desrt> something about "dev/console"
[01:12] <desrt> and pivot_root
[01:12] <aeyakovenko> desrt, something like that, it says pivot_root failed
[01:12] <desrt> nod.
[01:12] <desrt> it's because the kernel image on your usb harddrive doesn't support usb harddrives
[01:12] <WeirdAl> That's a bit obscure.
[01:12] <aeyakovenko> desrt, do you know where i can get one that does?
[01:13] <twodeko> unpacking now!
[01:13] <aardvark_> recompile the kernel
[01:13] <desrt> aeyakovenko; you can either install a full-featured kernel (ie: not image) or you can add the drivers manually to /etc/mkinitrd/modules or whatever it is
[01:13] <desrt> (and then reinstall the image)
[01:13] <desrt> ubuntu's detection of what hardware is required to get the box up leaves something to be desired
[01:13] <desrt> i have serial-ata and had the same problem
[01:13] <siimo> hi anyone running latest hoary?
[01:14] <twodeko> i am in a minute
[01:14] <desrt> siimo; i am
[01:14] <siimo> can you check if you get this when you hit printscreen "There was an error running "gnome-screenshot --window":Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (No such file or directory)."
[01:14] <SysFail> i am
[01:14] <siimo> :-(
[01:14] <WeirdAl> I am, but it's a bit dodgy with sound.
[01:14] <Mestapheles> finally got the fonts to show in xchat input box!
[01:14] <WeirdAl> :-)
[01:15] <Bazzi> yay for xchat
[01:15] <aeyakovenko> desrt, how would i add the modules?
[01:15] <WeirdAl> "Same as text window"
[01:15] <aeyakovenko> desrt, oh i think i found it
[01:15] <desrt> aeyakovenko; you probably need usb-storage and either ohci_hcd or uhci_hcd
[01:16] <desrt> do you have another linux distro?
[01:16] <siimo> desrt, do you get that
[01:16] <desrt> siimo; i don't have a printscreen key
[01:16] <siimo> oh opps
[01:16] <siimo> i missed that
[01:16] <twodeko> wow
[01:16] <twodeko> that is sad
[01:16] <twodeko> 4.10 wouldnt install on my hardware
[01:16] <siimo> can someone who has a printscreen key and hoary try hitting it ? (while in gnome)
[01:16] <WeirdAl> That he doesn't have a printscreen key?
[01:16] <twodeko> so i have to install a non stable branch to get it to work
[01:16] <spades> anyone know a good way with bash or perl to strip 2 variables from a filename leaving the rest? ie: blah-keep-take so it will strip the blah and take leaving the filename keep?
[01:17] <WeirdAl> siimo -- that gives you a save-as box
[01:17] <desrt> anyone who has a printscreen key is a sucker
[01:17] <Bazzi> twodeko well hoary isnt that unstable.
[01:17] <desrt> because it means that they don't own a mac :)
[01:17] <siimo> WeirdAl, hmm.. latest hoary? dist-upgraded a min ago
[01:17] <idn> siimo - why??
[01:17] <twodeko> Bazzi, i wont hit any problems then?
[01:17] <siimo> idn, i get an error
[01:17] <idn> yeah i got a save box
[01:17] <siimo> idn, There was an error running "gnome-screenshot --window":Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (No such file or directory).
[01:17] <plagerism> why would I get /usr/bin/ldd: line 95: /usr/bin/lddlibc4: No such file or directory, when /usr/bin/lddlibc4 exists??
[01:17] <idn> maybe its your keyboard, or you have some packages missing
[01:17] <WeirdAl> oh, it did?
[01:17] <Bazzi> twodeko well, usually not. the most buggering stuff is that dist-upgrade has like 90MB updates a day ;)
[01:17] <frank> i have my gnome desktop cancelt,and now,i can't anymore upgrade or install or desinstall??
[01:17] <WeirdAl> Then I'll have to check in a bit cos I'm watching a DVD
[01:18] <siimo> could someone find out what package gives "gnome-screenshot"
[01:18] <twodeko> Bazzi, haha... well that works
[01:18] <twodeko> as long as they keep me up to date
[01:18] <twodeko> anyone running amarok?
[01:18] <Bazzi> twodeko, I have lots of custom stuff like konqueror quante etc installed 8with gnome), latest firefox, thunderbird etc. no problems.
[01:19] <xlogik> How do I install ubuntu while keeping my current home dir filesystem?
[01:19] <idn> siimo - just looked couldnt find anything
[01:19] <idn> maybe its bult into gnome - not a sperate package
[01:19] <siimo> idn, got it thanks anyway
[01:19] <idn> k
[01:19] <siimo> idn, its gnome-utils just FYI
[01:20] <idn> would have thought that would have came with your distro
[01:20] <idn> unless you have kubuntu (shunnders)
[01:20] <St0n3-C0l> how to mount NTFS partition ?
[01:20] <siimo> i dist-upgraded from warty maybe it didn't get installed
[01:20] <WeirdAl> stone
[01:20] <WeirdAl> sudo fdisk -l
[01:20] <idn> have you dist-update as well
[01:20] <idn> you should do that b4 you distupgrade
[01:21] <johnf>  I have a dual boot set up, I want to get my mp3s from windows how can I get them over to linux from my winxp ntfs partion
[01:21] <WeirdAl> should be /dev/hda3 or something
[01:21] <WeirdAl> then do
[01:21] <idn> to mount an ntfs partition at boot you need the following line...
[01:21] <WeirdAl> mkdir /media/windows
[01:21] <idn> /dev/sda5       /mnt/ntfs       ntfs    umask=0222              0       0
[01:22] <WeirdAl> ^ what he said
[01:22] <idn> swap /mnt/ntfs for the dir you want to have the partition mounted to
[01:22] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:22] <idn> you put that in /etc/fstab
[01:22] <St0n3-C0l> don't give various tensions to johnf
[01:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:22] <twodeko> uhhh
[01:22] <PacoBCN> johnf, but don't write NTFS partitions from Linux
[01:22] <idn> you need to find where the ntfs partiion is
[01:22] <twodeko> root... password
[01:22] <PacoBCN> johnf, it might be dangerous
[01:22] <twodeko> there was no prompt for this
[01:22] <WeirdAl> To do it from the terminal you want mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/ntfs -t ntfs -o umount=0222
[01:22] <idn> if its windows probably /dev/hda1
[01:22] <johnf> PacoBCN,  I just want to read not write
[01:23] <PacoBCN> johnf, good :)
[01:23] <idn> yeah, dont write to ntfs
[01:23] <WeirdAl> You can't anyway
[01:23] <idn> you can, its pretty experimental though
[01:23] <WeirdAl> Oh. Well I couldn't :-p
[01:23] <idn> need to patch your kernal with some random module
[01:23] <WeirdAl> Although I didn't try very hard
[01:23] <johnf> idn, how do I do that
[01:23] <idn> you cant with most out the most distros
[01:24] <twodeko> what is the standard root password
[01:24] <PacoBCN> johnf, so, you know how to do it?
[01:24] <idn> i dont know, but I wouldnt bother if i were you
[01:24] <WeirdAl> twodeko, there isn't one
[01:24] <johnf> idn,  I'm using 5.04 ubuntu
[01:24] <idn> create a fat32 partition you can share between windows and linux
[01:24] <PacoBCN> johnf,  "sudo fdisk -l" will tell you the name of NTFS partition
[01:24] <idn> thats what i do
[01:24] <WeirdAl> twodeko, you should use sudo to run things as root
[01:24] <PacoBCN> and then add the line to /etc/fstab
[01:24] <twodeko> aah
[01:24] <twodeko> these fonts are so large!
[01:24] <twodeko> heh
[01:25] <twodeko> everything seems so much larger
[01:25] <WeirdAl> Yep. I spent ages making my fonts smaller.
[01:25] <PacoBCN> johnf, well, also create a folder under "/mnt/" first
[01:25] <WeirdAl> On my other PC they're a nice size.
[01:25] <idn> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#3.2workaround might help
[01:25] <twodeko> WeirdAl, what helped?
[01:25] <twodeko> i am on a LCD
[01:26] <WeirdAl> Having a bigger resolution helped.
[01:26] <idn> i hate big fonts
[01:26] <WeirdAl> I can't really compare.
[01:26] <idn> everything is size 8 under gnome
[01:26] <WeirdAl> This is a laptop with 1024 res and warty and the fonts were massive.
[01:26] <henrik> How du I activate my WiFi-card in a HP pavilion?
[01:26] <twodeko> 1280x1024 here
[01:26] <WeirdAl> That's a desktop with 1280 res with Hoary
[01:26] <WeirdAl> So I don't really know.
[01:26] <twodeko> hmmm
[01:26] <twodeko> ok
[01:27] <twodeko> im emerging the new ATI drivers
[01:27] <twodeko> here
[01:27] <idn> did everyone manage to mount there ntfs drives?
[01:27] <WeirdAl> Maybe I'm just content with the size of it on that PC
[01:27] <idn> mount -a to test it
[01:27] <WeirdAl> what does mount -a do/
[01:27] <aeyakovenko> so i am chrooted into my usb drive trying to build a new initrd image, and mkinitrd cant find the modules, because its looking in /lib/modules/2.4.21-4.0.1.EL, which is the host machine, any idea how i can set that path to the correct one?
[01:30] <superted_> any translators here?
[01:30] <idn> mount -a mounts all the drives
[01:30] <idn> listed in fstab
[01:30] <WeirdAl> ah
[01:31] <idn> saves you restarting
[01:31] <WeirdAl> indeed!
[01:31] <idn> dont do umount -a though!
[01:31] <WeirdAl> I just mount it manually if I need it anyway.
[01:31] <idn> if you did it properly it should mount automatically
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> LOLz
[01:32] <twodeko> switchin over to ubuntu
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> You waste your time
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:32] <twodeko> later
[01:32] <WeirdAl> If I did it so that it does it automatically it should do it automatically, yes.
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> congrats :P
[01:32] <WeirdAl> But I didn't do that because I don't want to do that.
[01:32] <WeirdAl> :-)
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> Totem and Firefox both seems to be buggy
[01:32] <idn> i think you can add noauto in etc fstab to stop it mounting on startup
[01:32] <WeirdAl> I don't use Totem, but Firefox seems fine.
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> Then what ya use :P
[01:33] <tvelocity> totem seems fine to me too...
[01:33] <idn> get firefox 1.02, got rid of a bunch of bugs, like crashing on me when i tried to change the font size!
[01:33] <WeirdAl> xine
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> Do ya watch movies or not
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> and Mplayer sucks too
[01:33] <idn> use VLC seriously
[01:33] <idn> it does everything
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> Hangs when I play any movie
[01:33] <crimsun> wxvlc, rather!
[01:33] <St0n3-C0l> or any song
[01:33] <WeirdAl> So does xine
[01:33] <idn> i am AMD64 so most of the codes cuck
[01:33] <WeirdAl> I use .... thingy
[01:34] <WeirdAl> xmms
[01:34] <idn> so its good for that
[01:34] <WeirdAl> for music
[01:34] <St0n3-C0l> Xine is good for those types
[01:34] <idn> VLC all the way!
[01:34] <WeirdAl> I like Xine
[01:34] <crimsun> (wxvlc) :p
[01:34] <idn> xmms, totem are so yesterday :)
[01:34] <WeirdAl> It lets me watch my pron
[01:34] <St0n3-C0l> idn: Do onething ;) Throw your system from ur window then it will work :P
[01:34] <WeirdAl> oops tmi
[01:34] <St0n3-C0l> pron ?/
[01:34] <WeirdAl> Noooooo...
[01:34] <WeirdAl> It's ... research
[01:35] <idn> yeah, i can watch all my pron on my ntfs partition using VLC so im happy :)
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> lolz
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> ahaha
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> whats tmi ?
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> Yea yea :P
[01:35] <WeirdAl> Too Much Information
[01:35] <idn> l0lz
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> PRON OR P**N :P
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> both sounds same :>
[01:35] <idn> pr0n is the l33t way to say it :)
[01:35] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:35] <WeirdAl> pron is what you say when you're scared.
[01:36] <twodeko> aaah
[01:36] <idn> pr0n da n00bs!
[01:36] <twodeko> much better!
[01:36] <desrt> what's with all the talk of fish tonight?
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> hahaha
[01:36] <desrt> idn; that's pwn, dork :P
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> So from where u download :P
[01:36] <idn> pr0n
[01:36] <WeirdAl> That reminds me.
[01:36] <desrt> pwn.  as in pwned.
[01:36] <WeirdAl> There's a bittorrent thing that gets installed with Hoary...
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:36] <WeirdAl> What's it called, and what repository is it in?
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> Getting passwords :P
[01:36] <idn> p0rn, sas in fu*k
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> and going illegal :>
[01:37] <St0n3-C0l> Gnome Bittorent Client
[01:37] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:37] <WeirdAl> OK
[01:37] <twodeko> what do i need to apt-get for the gnome font and theme management
[01:37] <idn> gnomeTorrent
[01:37] <WeirdAl> What's the packa-- thanks
[01:37] <corvix> heyo!
[01:37] <crimsun> gnome-btdownload, I believe.
[01:37] <St0n3-C0l> So All watch pr0n here :P
[01:37] <crimsun> (it's in main)
[01:37] <desrt> what's with the nicks?
[01:37] <desrt> plagerism, arrogance?
[01:37] <idn> lol
[01:37] <siimo> hoary kicks ass :-)
[01:38] <idn> yeah
[01:38] <St0n3-C0l> Leave pr0n and lets eat Prawns :p
[01:38] <twodeko> that
[01:38] <twodeko> it does
[01:38] <twodeko> shoddy ATI performance though
[01:38] <twodeko> but ima mess with this
[01:38] <Arrogance> desrt, he steals it, I gloat about it
[01:38] <idn> my housemate said he has like 30 gigs of pron, but only 10% is legal
[01:38] <idn> scary
[01:38] <corvix> hope so .. ill inst it when its released, which is just the day after my last exam ;-)
[01:38] <desrt> sounds like y'all are about to get into trouble
[01:38] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:38] <siimo> i was running a slackware box with gnome 2.10 and it felt like running it with handbrake on .. the ui feels much snappier in hoary
[01:38] <corvix> for this semester
[01:38] <WeirdAl> cheers crimsun.. I'll try that
[01:38] <desrt> plagerism is best done quietly
[01:38] <idn> lol
[01:38] <polvothefantasti> hey, can someone tell me why my internet seems to be really unresponsive compared to before i installed ubuntu?
[01:38] <eruin> is there a quick way to get the changelog of an ubuntu package?
[01:38] <St0n3-C0l> idn: You go for illegal too :P
[01:38] <WeirdAl> It's not gnome-btdownload
[01:39] <St0n3-C0l> he might download from Websites
[01:39] <WeirdAl> Can I even install it on warty?
[01:39] <desrt> eruin; if you apt-get source it, the changelog will be inside it
[01:39] <Artanis> does ubuntu offer manual partitioning in normal install mode too, or only in expert?
[01:39] <eruin> desrt: any easier way? :P
[01:39] <idn> wierdAl what are you trying to get
[01:39] <desrt> eruin; not that i know of.  but i've never tried.
[01:39] <St0n3-C0l> Artanis: Yes it does
[01:39] <WeirdAl> The gnome bittorrent client.
[01:39] <idn> oh
[01:39] <WeirdAl> oh wait a minute
[01:39] <St0n3-C0l> It offers everything except pr0n
[01:39] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:39] <idn> should be in the normal repos for hoary
[01:39] <WeirdAl> I just realised ... it won't work.
[01:40] <idn> i had warty until a few days ago and it wasnt in there
[01:40] <WeirdAl> Because I'm not using gnome. haha
[01:40] <twodeko> how can i change fonts and that in ubuntu
[01:40] <Artanis> so it's almost perfect
[01:40] <corvix> well ... the bakgrounds in the monthly calendar are somwhat erotic ;)
[01:40] <twodeko> my menus seem stripped
[01:40] <idn> what are you using?
[01:40] <St0n3-C0l> just get btdownload
[01:40] <corvix> get bittornado
[01:40] <WeirdAl> OK
[01:41] <WeirdAl> I'd rather have one without a gui
[01:41] <WeirdAl> Then I can do it remotely
[01:41] <St0n3-C0l> corvix: And your father gonna catch ya soon :P
[01:41] <idn> WeierdAl what window manager are you usign?
[01:41] <WeirdAl> Blackbox
[01:41] <corvix> @stone ... why catch me?
[01:41] <steve_k> hey all, trying to install hoary on an old toshiba satellite 2180cdt and can't get X to run at 800x600 -- it will only do 640x480.  I'm not sure what to try, I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and re-did everything but I get the same result
[01:41] <yhonatan> GNOME:P
[01:42] <St0n3-C0l> corvix well ... the bakgrounds in the monthly calendar are somwhat erotic ;)
[01:42] <WeirdAl> erotic is so cool
[01:42] <WeirdAl> It's like, phwoar.
[01:42] <St0n3-C0l> phwoar ?
[01:42] <St0n3-C0l> power ?
[01:42] <WeirdAl> no
[01:42] <runedude> Is it true theres only 1 ubuntu mirror? :|
[01:43] <Skid> St0n3-C0l: it's english slang
[01:43] <crimsun> runedude: hardly
[01:43] <WeirdAl> Phwoar is a noise you make when you see something ... erotic happening.
[01:43] <corvix> @stone .. oh comeon ... youre not one of those prude americans, who cant talk about sxuelity in their family? are you?
[01:43] <Skid> like "cor" look at that
[01:43] <idn> lol rude dude
[01:43] <St0n3-C0l> Sometimes I love pr0n and Sometimes I feel what a waste :P
[01:43] <runedude> crimsun, for like apt
[01:43] <Absenth> is there any easy way to add a kernel module perminantly?
[01:43] <idn> it aint really a mirror if theres only one
[01:43] <crimsun> runedude: us., de., ...
[01:43] <runedude> Apt only shows 1 mirror.. archive/security.ubuntu.com
[01:43] <WeirdAl> I like sex and sometimes my gf isn't here.
[01:43] <Skid> Absenth: compile it into the kernel ?
[01:43] <St0n3-C0l> Skid: I know too but I don't know the meanin of that slang word
[01:43] <Absenth> I did "sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss" but after a reboot it's gone again.
[01:43] <runedude> eh
[01:44] <runedude> then i Mean like only 1 mirror for the unitedstates
[01:44] <runedude> ?
[01:44] <idn> WeirdAl apt-get gf?
[01:44] <beowuff> Upgrading to hoary right now :-)
[01:44] <St0n3-C0l> corvix: I am not American
[01:44] <WeirdAl> :-D idn: nice one
[01:44] <WeirdAl> can I apt-get bittorrent?
[01:44] <corvix> well ... was my fault to compare porn to erotic art ...
[01:44] <WeirdAl> oh, I can as well
[01:44] <idn> apt-cache search bittorrent came up with some stuff
[01:44] <St0n3-C0l> And yes here where I live u can't talk bout that
[01:44] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[01:44] <WeirdAl> I guess I should have tried it :-)
[01:44] <Absenth> idn, WeirdAl, sudo apt-get install working-girl
[01:45] <WeirdAl> no way
[01:45] <WeirdAl> apt-get install asian
[01:45] <St0n3-C0l> because here we respect our parents so can't!
[01:45] <idn> lol, apt-get gf-upgrade
[01:45] <WeirdAl> :-D
[01:45] <WeirdAl> Installs enhancements.
[01:45] <idn> lol
[01:45] <Skid> apt-get DD
[01:45] <WeirdAl> :-)
[01:45] <eruin> eek
[01:45] <Skid> apt-get 32-DD
[01:45] <sgtshatta> anyone get ubuntu to work with audio on the mac-mini???
[01:45] <Skid> better
[01:45] <geneo93> apt-get install hotbabe
[01:45] <Skid> :)
[01:45] <crimsun> Absenth: what soundcard?
[01:45] <bluefoxicy> Matt is so going to flame me for that last reply on the list :)
[01:45] <corvix> LOL @ Sultan Ali ;-)
[01:45] <Absenth> careful gf-upgrade doesn't = apt-get install wife
[01:45] <eruin> apt-get 32-AA
[01:45] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:45] <idn> apt-get install pron - that would be amzing
[01:45] <Absenth> crimsun, onboard nforce2
[01:46] <WeirdAl> heh
[01:46] <idn> should be a default .deb package
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[01:46] <WeirdAl> apt-get install lesbian blonde redhead double-ended
[01:46] <idn> lol
[01:46] <eruin> big-endian?
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> If Hoary's servers were running on ur requests
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> they were full of these things
[01:46] <WeirdAl> Warning: after unpacking this will use 2047MB extra disk space. Do you want to continue?
[01:46] <WeirdAl> Y
[01:46] <idn> lol
[01:46] <aeyakovenko> anyone have an initrd image that works with usb drives?  the one that i made doesnt work
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> eruin: big Indian ??
[01:46] <_ToNhO_> nforce2 always have problem but in ubuntu for me i dont have nothing
[01:46] <corvix> @sultan ... so where youre living?
[01:47] <WeirdAl> I never thought I'd find comedy in #ubuntu] 
[01:47] <geneo93> hot babe is a measure of processor use the harder you work processor th more clothes she takes off
[01:47] <idn> lol
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> Shakil is ma name and Sultan is ma father's name
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> Pakistan
[01:47] <idn> i always say apt-get stuff to my win00bs friends in uni, they dont know what im on about
[01:47] <WeirdAl> :-)
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> You'll always :P
[01:47] <idn> 'you wanna apt-get some lunch'
[01:47] <WeirdAl> I apt-got bittorrent but now I can't find it
[01:47] <idn> they are like 'fucking linux geek'
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> you just need to pinch the topic
[01:48] <idn> lol
[01:48] <corvix> hehe ... same here ...
[01:48] <crimsun> Absenth: you can add it to /etc/modules
[01:48] <WeirdAl> I havne't got there yet.
[01:48] <corvix> and once im talking about gaming they just stare at me ...
[01:48] <twodeko> does anyone know how to add all the gnome font config and that to the menus
[01:48] <WeirdAl> Mainly because I'm not back at uni 'til Sept.
[01:48] <aeyakovenko> so anyone been able to boot ubuntu of a usb drive?
[01:48] <idn> i tried to use gnomeTorrent but it could connect to th tracker
[01:48] <idn> mayb its my routers firewall
[01:48] <Skid> use the java one azure or whatever
[01:48] <idn> wait til i move back down to uni
[01:49] <WeirdAl> your router sucks.
[01:49] <idn> lol, it does as well
[01:49] <WeirdAl> I know.
[01:49] <idn> took me ages to set up, i kept losing like 40% of my packets
[01:49] <WeirdAl> Configure it.
[01:49] <corvix> @stone ... sultan is a first name as well?
[01:49] <WeirdAl> You need a static IP
[01:49] <idn> found out it was the shitty telephone extension cord
[01:49] <idn> works fine now
[01:49] <idn> except for the firewall
[01:49] <WeirdAl> So can someone tell me what's happened to my bittorrent install?
[01:49] <WeirdAl> on account of I just apt-got it...
[01:50] <WeirdAl> And I don't know where it is now.
[01:50] <corvix> try looking for bt....
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> My Father's Name is Sultan Ali :)
[01:50] <idn> lol, that happened to me today and adobe acrobat 7.0
[01:50] <WeirdAl> There's stuff in /usr/share/doc
[01:50] <idn> ston3 - your dads a sultan?
[01:50] <idn> thats awesome
[01:50] <Bazzi> WeirdAl it's in the gnome menu then ;)
[01:50] <WeirdAl> Bazzi, I'm not using Gnome
[01:50] <crimsun> WeirdAl: it registers itself as a MIME handler, and will execute when you click a .torrent
[01:50] <sgtshatta> anyone get audio to work on ubuntu PPC mac mini???
[01:51] <corvix> @stone .. actually .. i dont know too much ... how does your naming system work at all? any family names?
[01:51] <Bazzi> WeirdAl bad game.
[01:51] <idn> hes using blackbox
[01:51] <WeirdAl> Bazzi: bad computer
[01:51] <idn> crappy blackbox
[01:51] <WeirdAl> Hey! It's quick.
[01:51] <idn> bout as much eye candi as BBW.com
[01:51] <WeirdAl> Gnome was shite on this.
[01:51] <idn> k
[01:51] <idn> lol, hence the text only bt?
[01:51] <WeirdAl> This computer has no space for HTML for heaven's sake :-(
[01:51] <Bazzi> eyecandy is required in 2005
[01:51] <WeirdAl> quite
[01:51] <eruin> what burner apps are available in ubuntu?
[01:51] <idn> what comp you using?
[01:51] <WeirdAl> Guess.
[01:52] <WeirdAl> :-p
[01:52] <St0n3-C0l> idn: Yeah :P Atleast for me :)
[01:52] <WeirdAl> Oi
[01:52] <Bazzi> 500MHz
[01:52] <idn> what kind stuff can sultans do?
[01:52] <WeirdAl> Quit versionning me
[01:52] <Bazzi> not that much.
[01:52] <St0n3-C0l> corvix: What ya mean :S
[01:52] <crimsun> eruin: cdrecord, dvd+rw-tools, cdrdao (and associated frontends like k3b and graveman)
[01:52] <WeirdAl> 500MHz K6-2
[01:52] <WeirdAl> That equates to shite.
[01:52] <Bazzi> hey you asked us to guess
[01:52] <idn> like go out in the street and imprision people or take there land for no reason
[01:52] <WeirdAl> That's not guessing!
[01:52] <crimsun> eruin: nautilus is capable of burning as well
[01:52] <WeirdAl> _
[01:53] <WeirdAl> idn: their not there
[01:53] <hayden> WeirdAl: its shite only if u install a GUI ;)
[01:53] <djtansey> does ubuntu's default kernel (hoary, 2.6.10-5) have bluetooth built in? gnome-bluetooth-manager is saying no bluetooth devices are detected
[01:53] <corvix> @stone ... do you use forst and family name as well?
[01:53] <WeirdAl> hayden: I need a GUi :-(
[01:53] <corvix> @stone whats sultan standing for?
[01:53] <stazich> 1
[01:53] <hayden> ah ok
[01:53] <St0n3-C0l> corvix: Yes
[01:53] <WeirdAl> why's everyone versionning me today?
[01:53] <St0n3-C0l> means King
[01:53] <hayden> WeirdAl: Install fluxbox
[01:53] <stazich> its fun =)
[01:53] <St0n3-C0l> and idn: He I said he's sultan for atleast me
[01:53] <WeirdAl> What's fluxbox?
[01:54] <idn> oh
[01:54] <corvix> interesting that the system of two names is soo wide spread
[01:54] <siimo> WeirdAl, its a window manager
[01:54] <eruin> crimsun: happen to know how I'd burn hoary-install.iso using cdrecord? ;)
[01:54] <WeirdAl> yeah, but I mean
[01:54] <hayden> WeirdAl: its a lightweight window manager
[01:54] <WeirdAl> Well so is Blackbox.
[01:54] <WeirdAl> Why's fluxbox better/
[01:54] <crimsun> eruin: sudo cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc -dao /path/to/hoary-install.iso
[01:54] <hayden> WeirdAl: dunno haven't used Blackbox
[01:54] <eruin> crimsun: cheers ;)
[01:54] <siimo> i prefer gnome/XFCE
[01:54] <crimsun> eruin: that assumes your burner is /dev/hdc
[01:55] <WeirdAl> Me too, but this computer can't cope.
[01:55] <_ToNhO_> blackbox is old
[01:55] <siimo> not even XFCE
[01:55] <siimo> ?
[01:55] <crimsun> blackbox 0.70.0 is not at all old!
[01:55] <WeirdAl> Dunno about that.
[01:55] <idn> lol, 500Mhz, that takes me back
[01:55] <WeirdAl> Takes me back too.
[01:55] <St0n3-C0l> eruin: Why not K3b ?
[01:55] <WeirdAl> This laptop has the same spec as the first computer I ever built.
[01:55] <WeirdAl> That didn't last long at all!
[01:55] <idn> actually i battle with a 233 for ages til i upgraded to a P4 2.4
[01:55] <WeirdAl> But no, my gf had to go and be happy with this.
[01:55] <_ToNhO_> crimsun: oh he is
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:56] <_ToNhO_> fluxbox have transparecy
[01:56] <crimsun> _ToNhO_: "he"?
[01:56] <WeirdAl> I don't need transparency...
[01:56] <eruin> St0n3-C0l: because k3b is ugly :P
[01:56] <WeirdAl> I only use this computer for IRC and GAIM
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:56] <_ToNhO_> crimsun: sorry my english is bad =/
[01:56] <idn> maybe you could install Xerox Star Interface
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> HaHa
[01:57] <hayden> when i try to make an audio cd with k3b its says unsupported filetype when i drag an mp3 to the project, why is that?
[01:57] <siimo> _ToNhO_, where you from :)
[01:57] <eruin> rhythmbox via tla is your friend for audio cds ;)
[01:57] <WeirdAl> TBH, if I didn't need GAIM I'd just try and get bitchx running in console and live with that.
[01:57] <_ToNhO_> siimo: brazil
[01:57] <Skid> anyone know anything about wifi in ubuntu ?
[01:57] <crimsun> _ToNhO_: blackbox 0.70.0 was released 1 March, 2005
[01:57] <WeirdAl> :-o I don't have the latest blackbox
[01:58] <idn> im from the UK!
[01:58] <crimsun> WeirdAl: look at bitlbee
[01:58] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[01:58] <_ToNhO_> crimsun: i know but he not changes dont have transparecy
[01:58] <WeirdAl> crimsun: what's bitlbee?
[01:58] <tritium> ells, Oh, I've had better days :(  You?
[01:58] <siimo> WeirdAl, i have a 233Mhz 90MB ram, runs xfce ok
[01:58] <ells> same: just been kind of lounging today
[01:58] <crimsun> WeirdAl: use aim/icq/yahoo/msn through your irc client.
[01:58] <TurboStar> hayden, ubunbtu doesn't support mp3 files
[01:58] <ells> tritium: whats wrong man
[01:59] <tritium> ells, hard disk or ide controller problems.  Not sure which yet...
[01:59] <WeirdAl> crimsun, I don't think I'll be able to manage that one :-)
[01:59] <_ToNhO_> siimo: oh nice computer uses ubuntu with him?
[01:59] <ells> tritium: sorry to hear that
[01:59] <tritium> ells, thanks
[01:59] <siimo> _ToNhO_, yes hoary
[01:59] <ells> tritium: either way, not a good issue
[01:59] <tritium> definitely not
[01:59] <ells> tritium: whats it doing
[01:59] <hayden> TurboStar: even after i've installed gstreamer0.8
[02:00] <tritium> ells, lots of things...
[02:00] <_ToNhO_> siimo: i install Ubuntu in a AMD-K6 2
[02:00] <siimo> but i prefer gnome on my main pc
[02:00] <eruin> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg <-- fluxbox looking good
[02:00] <WeirdAl> _ToNhO_, I'm using one of those right now
[02:00] <_ToNhO_> Gnome Owns
[02:00] <ells> tritium: I had issues with my last board
[02:00] <ells> tritium: not much fun
[02:00] <siimo> will probably switch to xfce when their nice new file manager app comes out with dektop icon support :)
[02:00] <_ToNhO_> WeirdAl: cool
[02:00] <siimo> planned for 4.4
[02:00] <WeirdAl> Not cool at all :-)
[02:00] <tritium> ells, yeah, this is my laptop.  I replaced the drive only last November
[02:01] <WeirdAl> It doesn't like Firefox at all.
[02:01] <TurboStar> haydel, you should be able to play mp3s at this point.  the cd burner app probably wasn't build with mp3 library support.  can't really help you furtheras I never tried this
[02:01] <ells> tritium: that sucks even more
[02:01] <tritium> yep
[02:01] <membreya> can anyone recommend a free antivirus for linux?
[02:01] <Skid> clanav
[02:01] <Skid> clamav
[02:02] <crimsun> _ToNhO_: transparency works counter to blackbox's philosophy
[02:02] <_ToNhO_> crimsun: ahh
[02:02] <ells> tritium: i am lucky Mike, I have my laptop, wifes laptop, and my desktop
[02:02] <_ToNhO_> crimsun: but isso more beatiful than blackbox
[02:02] <tritium> ells, that's good
[02:02] <crimsun> _ToNhO_: sure.  That's why there are so many different window managers.
[02:03] <drspin> is anyone into database design??
[02:03] <ells> tritium: lucky, it is nice to have a backup
[02:03] <drspin> specifically relational databases?
[02:03] <tritium> ells, no doubt.
[02:04] <_ToNhO_> crimsun: heare in brazil have a site with a aticle "Using Blackbox with Slackware in Pentium I 100mhz 16ram
[02:04] <_ToNhO_> its very interisting
[02:05] <siimo> _ToNhO_, ill probably switch to xfce when this app is out :-) http://thunar.xfce.org/wiki/ui:suggestion-20050320
[02:05] <siimo> will make xfce on par with gnome in my opinion :-)
[02:05] <siimo> and should be faster than nautilus
[02:06] <drspin> XFCE is VERY NICE!!! -- That looks like it's going to be a good app :)
[02:06] <WeirdAl> night all
[02:07] <_ToNhO_> siimo: The XFCE 4.2 is very beatiful
[02:07] <WeirdAl> Bedtime it is. mm
[02:07] <siimo> yeah can't wait for desktop icons and ability to have dir's on desktop - as a built in feature
[02:07] <siimo> for xfce 4.4 :)
[02:07] <_ToNhO_> WeirdAl: nigth
[02:07] <ells> tritium: so, what ya gonna do
[02:07] <_ToNhO_> siimo: now have or is in developmen?
[02:07] <siimo> _ToNhO_, development , for next version of xfce
[02:08] <tritium> ells, I'm backing up now while I still can
[02:08] <idn> siimo - you can show dirs on the desktop in gnome
[02:08] <tritium> ells, and shopping around for a replacement
[02:08] <idn> just use the config editor to enable it
[02:08] <ells> tritium: I hear ya, go and get an ibook
[02:08] <siimo> idn, yeah but the point it xfce is much lightweight
[02:08] <idn> yeah
[02:08] <tritium> ells, possibly a powerbook or an amd64 laptop
[02:08] <ells> tritium: powerbook i could see
[02:08] <idn> i was thinking of switching, but i have plenty of resource to throw arround so i cant be bothered
[02:08] <_ToNhO_> siimo: shure is perfect to use in old computers
[02:09] <ells> tritium: I am gonna repartition my drive for my laptop while i am on break
[02:09] <ells> tritium: take windows down to about 20 gig
[02:09] <tritium> ells, cool
[02:09] <ells> tritium: my laptop has 80
[02:09] <_ToNhO_> poor =(
[02:09] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:09] <_ToNhO_> ells: heare laptop is expansive
[02:10] <ells> ToNh0_: whats that
[02:10] <siimo> _ToNhO_, well thats true everywhere laptops will cost more than desktops
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> _ToNh0_ : Bad habit of listening other's talk
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> Tonho: From where you're
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> Here Laptops are very expensive :P
[02:10] <_ToNhO_> siimo: yeahp but is paticle
[02:11] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: brazil
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> Desktops are not that much but Laptops are alot
[02:11] <robertj> St0n: Dell had a laptop for sale at $600 USD the other day
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> ohh
[02:11] <plagerism> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[02:11] <plagerism>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[02:11] <ells> robertj: yeap, but you get what you pay for
[02:11] <_ToNhO_> here cost humm $5000 dolars
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:11] <plagerism> has anyone gotten this error message before?? And figured out a solution??
[02:11] <ells> robertj: I would rather have an ibook or powerbook
[02:11] <robertj> ells: you don't want an iBook
[02:12] <ells> robertj: why
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> Just brand new P4 with best configurations comes with nearly 1lakh Rupees :P
[02:12] <robertj> they are great but they suffer too many hardware problems
[02:12] <Skid> get a powerbook
[02:12] <_ToNhO_> IBook is very beatiful
[02:12] <ells> Skid: hopefull I can
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> where Desktop systems comes with best configs in 30-35 thousand
[02:12] <Skid> my girl is buying me one
[02:12] <Skid> nice of her, eh? :)
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> Very Stupid :P
[02:12] <xenGlenn> How is everyone?
[02:12] <robertj> yeah, but I'd not do it unless you get 3 year applecare which is like $200 extra
[02:13] <robertj> for the same price you can get something similar from dell and it will have 3 year including accidental damage
[02:13] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: what time is?
[02:13] <ells> robertj: my partner has had one for almost two years, no issues,
[02:13] <St0n3-C0l> 6:16 A.M :P
[02:13] <_ToNhO_> lol
[02:13] <ells> robertj: I am sure like cars, it all depends what lucky one you get
[02:13] <robertj> ells: I sent mine back for the logic board and I have had several of my users send theirs back multiple times
[02:13] <xenGlenn> 0113 UTC
[02:13] <_ToNhO_> here 10:13 PM
[02:13] <ells> robertj: sorry to hear that
[02:14] <ells> robertj: I guess I will probably get the powerbook then
[02:14] <ells> robertj: what r u using now
[02:14] <St0n3-C0l> Sat Morning ?
[02:14] <robertj> ells: Apple hardware sucks these days
[02:14] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: no Friday
[02:14] <robertj> Our first batch of G5s saw 9/16 fail in the first year
[02:14] <ells> robertj: really, had not heard that
[02:14] <Skaaa> using:warty need:help installing server package for Call of Duty
[02:15] <robertj> ALL of them required motherboard replacement to stop hard locks
[02:15] <ells> robertj: what computer you using
[02:15] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:15] <xenGlenn> I could get popups. I have installed java and what-not here, Firefox works with java now. Now popups won't work, even when allowing them in settings. Does anyone have any idea what the issue could be?
[02:15] <St0n3-C0l> Brazil is 8hours back from Pak :p
[02:15] <xenGlenn> Is there a known issue, or should I go troubleshoot?
[02:15] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: hheehe
[02:15] <ells> robertj: i am using a toshiba 3.0 gig, 80 gig, dvd +/-
[02:16] <_ToNhO_> 6am with 391 peoples is crazy
[02:16] <robertj> ells: eMachine 2.8gig celeron 512/80 gi
[02:16] <kain> here is 2.16am
[02:16] <robertj> $300 last year, I'm going to buy a new machine this year
[02:16] <Skaaa> its 8pm in New Jersey
[02:16] <robertj> for $550 dell has a 2.8 gig machine with a 19" LCD flat panel
[02:16] <_ToNhO_> ohh my
[02:16] <ells> robertj: i have a dell inspiron 1100 with a celeron. not a big fan of the processor
[02:17] <ells> not enough cache
[02:17] <St0n3-C0l> Tonho lol yeah :P
[02:17] <robertj> ells: i've got an inspiron 1150, cost me $760 2 years ago
[02:17] <St0n3-C0l> and I haven't sleep yet
[02:17] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: my english is very bad?
[02:17] <ells> robertj: the wife uses my 1100, got a year and half ago for 600
[02:17] <robertj> 1.6 gig celeron/512 megs of ram/dvd/30 gig hd for $760 2 years ago...Dells machines are priced extra-competitively
[02:17] <St0n3-C0l> I don't think so :P
[02:17] <robertj> its a great laptop for $600 if you don't need an ultra-mobile
[02:17] <_ToNhO_> lol
[02:17] <St0n3-C0l> kain eh from where?
[02:17] <ells> robertj; cannot deny that
[02:18] <robertj> I do take my iBook to bed though
[02:18] <kain> St0n3-C0l, from italy
[02:18] <St0n3-C0l> Italy
[02:18] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:18] <St0n3-C0l> See...A Genius ;)
[02:18] <_ToNhO_> kain: Oh tu parlache italliano
[02:18] <ells> robertj: I just like the look of apple, and because it is built on unix
[02:18] <kain> you d4 men
[02:18] <kain> :D
[02:18] <robertj> its the noise really, and you can get an m-series laptop in the $650 range on sale
[02:18] <St0n3-C0l> remove A :p
[02:18] <St0n3-C0l> d4 ?
[02:18] <_ToNhO_> Mama mia
[02:18] <kain> ghg
[02:18] <robertj> ells: the look is ok, but the hardware quality is getting worse IMO
[02:18] <kain> _ToNhO_, yes
[02:18] <kain> pizza, amore, spaghetti
[02:18] <Ajray> Someone tell me, cause I forgot: when do the next Ubuntu cds ship?
[02:18] <ells> robertj: I just had not heard that
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:19] <_ToNhO_> kain: my father speaks itallian =P
[02:19] <robertj> ells: just my personal experience with the later hardware
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> Pizza :P
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> Parcel me one
[02:19] <kain> _ToNhO_, that's nice
[02:19] <ells> robertj: understand, I really like my toshiba
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> kain you said 'you d4 men'
[02:19] <robertj> And the price premium is aweful
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> Explain please :P
[02:19] <ells> robertj: everything,but the fact my internal sd card reader wont work in linux
[02:19] <_ToNhO_> Pizza in brazil its very good
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> my mind gonna blast ;)
[02:19] <kain> well, it's english, you're the men
[02:19] <_ToNhO_> in USA is bad
[02:20] <_ToNhO_> in films is =)
[02:20] <kain> you're great, what can I say
[02:20] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:20] <St0n3-C0l> Okay I got it :P
[02:20] <kain> my english is not so monsterful
[02:20] <kain> :P
[02:20] <steve_k> is it possible to customize the gnome panels on ubuntu?  like if i wanted to combine the two panels into one (i have a low res screen)
[02:20] <kain> especially at 2.20am
[02:20] <St0n3-C0l> Tonho what is bad in USA :P
[02:20] <St0n3-C0l> hahaha
[02:20] <_ToNhO_> kain: my english sucks
[02:21] <kain> ghg
[02:21] <ells> has anyone had any luck getting sd card readers in toshiba laptops to work,just curious
[02:21] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: have much choleterol
[02:21] <St0n3-C0l> Do anybody watch Cricket here :P
[02:21] <St0n3-C0l> lol why ?
[02:21] <_ToNhO_> haha
[02:21] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: i dont know the word =/
[02:21] <St0n3-C0l> Cholestrol*
[02:22] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: yeahp
[02:22] <St0n3-C0l> No one is intrested in Cricket :P
[02:22] <_ToNhO_> hehehe
[02:22] <St0n3-C0l> alitoch :P haha
[02:22] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: The Amzonia is yours?
[02:23] <St0n3-C0l> Amzonia ?
[02:23] <twodeko> does anyone know what i need to do to change gnome fonts
[02:23] <_ToNhO_> Amazonia*&
[02:23] <Kazuhiro> St0n3-C0l, I watch cricket
[02:23] <twodeko> all the programs seem to not be in the toolbar
[02:23] <kain> twodeko, system -> preferences -> fonts
[02:24] <twodeko> kain, there is no system group
[02:24] <St0n3-C0l> ahan Team :p
[02:24] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: jesus
[02:24] <kain> twodeko, why not? it must be per default in upper left corner
[02:25] <kain> you have modified it?
[02:25] <St0n3-C0l> jesus ?
[02:25] <St0n3-C0l> no no :P
[02:25] <kain> twodeko, run gnome-font-properties, then
[02:26] <kain> stone cold jesus il also aa song by Ovekill
[02:26] <kain> Overkill*
[02:26] <kain> :D
[02:26] <St0n3-C0l> I often listen to English songs :P
[02:26] <kain> I like metal
[02:27] <_ToNhO_> I dont like Jesus God Christ for me isso only foolshit
[02:27] <St0n3-C0l> I listen Indian and Paki songs :P
[02:27] <_ToNhO_> fullshit*
[02:27] <St0n3-C0l> Tonho: You don't have rights to say anything bout any Religion
[02:27] <chuna> hi..
[02:28] <drspin> ... this is a linux channel not a religion channel
[02:28] <chuna> I just installed Ubuntu and Iam a total newbie.
[02:28] <drspin> and the two are just as equally debated --
[02:28] <lilricky> I thought linux was a religion :)
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:28] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: yes i have
[02:28] <chuna> I have an AMD64 and installation went fine
[02:28] <membreya> lilricky: no linux is a way of life
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> Only for Freaks
[02:28] <drspin> lilricky: LOL :) in the temporal sense :)
[02:28] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: alls have
[02:28] <chuna> I thought the Ubuntu had a GUI on bootup?
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> You have rights to say about your Religion
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> not of others
[02:28] <crimsun> let's keep on-topic, please.
[02:29] <kain> chuna, are you trying ubuntu hoary release?
[02:29] <chuna> But all I get is a text login screen
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> bcoz you don't know other Religion history etc..
[02:29] <_ToNhO_> yeah is a pessoal choice
[02:29] <lilricky> and Linus said unto the masses be fruitful and /dev/null all unbelievers
[02:29] <kain> mhh
[02:29] <chuna> No just the warty
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> chuna: startx
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[02:29] <chuna> k thanks will try it.
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> np
[02:29] <chuna> In future, can I do something to start that automatically?
[02:29] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: you americans is boring is some assunts
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> For god sake
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> Stop calling me American!
[02:30] <kain> maybe modify inittab to set a graphic runlevel
[02:30] <kain> in ubuntu is it 4?
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> Thats 4th time im saying u that Im Pakistani
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> :p
[02:30] <chuna> startx says command not found?
[02:30] <_ToNhO_> St0n3-C0l: =P
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> then you don't have X server installed
[02:30] <kain> chuna, are you sure you installed an X server?
[02:31] <chuna> I just burnt the ISO on a CD and installed and it did all the updates etc and after everything got a login prompt
[02:31] <St0n3-C0l> and before
[02:31] <chuna> So it didnt ask for anything xserver in particular
[02:31] <St0n3-C0l> u were on Graphical mode ?
[02:32] <kain> assuming that warty as xorg try doing this: sudo dpkg -l | grep xorg
[02:32] <kain> and see what happens
[02:32] <kain> warty have* xorg
[02:32] <chuna> Just came up with the you know old DOS graphics, no windows like GUI like I tried with DFedora
[02:32] <twodeko> sorry
[02:32] <twodeko> my apps menu is gone
[02:32] <twodeko> i know how to navigate gnome
[02:32] <twodeko> and they are definitely not there :p
[02:34] <chuna> So no idea what I am doing. I thought Ubuntu was quite easy
[02:34] <BigIslandVegan> how can i find out if i have 2.4 or 2.6 kernel on this hoary ppc install ?
[02:34] <chuna> but didnt expect it to have no GUI on starttup
[02:35] <lilricky> 2.6, its in the docs
[02:35] <chuna> maybe I have done something wrong.
[02:35] <BigIslandVegan> thank you!
[02:35] <St0n3-C0l> How do I remove any program from GNOME menu ?
[02:35] <chuna> Wondering if I should give SUSE a go
[02:35] <St0n3-C0l> chuna: Lol
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> When I used Warty It started with GUI
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> same with Hoary
[02:36] <chuna> Is it different for AMD 64 then?
[02:36] <chuna> Cause I used that
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> Don't know I use x86
[02:36] <chavo> chuna, are you using a daily snapshot cd?
[02:36] <twodeko> how do i get libdvdcss2 for AMD64
[02:37] <twodeko> under hoary
[02:37] <chuna> I downlaoded the 64 bit version from Ubuntu and burnt an ISO
[02:37] <chavo> ok
[02:37] <St0n3-C0l> chuna: You downloaded Warty or Hoary
[02:37] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[02:37] <chuna> and stuck the CD and off it went, asked a few q's and installed everything and then removed the cd and booted to a command prompt
[02:37] <chuna> warty
[02:37] <chavo> You may have done a server install.
[02:37] <chuna> OH
[02:37] <St0n3-C0l> I think so
[02:37] <St0n3-C0l> bcoz he don't have xoreg
[02:38] <St0n3-C0l> xorg*
[02:38] <lilricky> twodeko just use the 32 bit library, works just as well
[02:38] <chuna> So are there 2 verison of 64bit?
[02:38] <St0n3-C0l> xorg is a thing by which u get GUI
[02:38] <kain> chuna, after login try: dpkg -l | grep xorg
[02:38] <kain> and tell me what appears
[02:39] <Kazuhiro> are there any mplayer amd64 binary floating arround?
[02:39] <lupusBE> : libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Internal error: the configuration system was not initialized.
[02:40] <lupusBE> anyone recognize that error?
[02:41] <ericb_> is there any quick guide that tells everything that's "weird" in ubuntu linux that debian users would like to know when moving to ubuntu...  like root user is disabled and you have to do sudo, like..  what happened with /etc/resolv.conf ?
[02:41] <ericb_> etc
[02:41] <esher> ericb_, root user is setup in 2 steps
[02:41] <esher> "sudo su"
[02:41] <esher> "passwd"
[02:41] <esher> done :D
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> no need
[02:41] <ericb_> I know that I figured it out
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> do only su
[02:42] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:42] <St0n3-C0l> ericb_: your /etc/resov.conf goes back to name 0.0.0.0 on every reboot ??
[02:42] <Artanis> what is with resolv.conf?
[02:42] <ericb_> it just don't exists
[02:42] <ericb_> it's a directory
[02:42] <St0n3-C0l> it exists here
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> but goes back to nameserver 0.0.0.0
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> on every reboot
[02:43] <ericb_> chmod 444 ??
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> If anybody have solved this problem out so please help me too :P
[02:43] <Kazuhiro> well isnt that good if u have a laptop etc for dhcp on networks?
[02:43] <Skid> dhcp '?
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> i do chmod 444 to /etc/resolv.conf
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[02:43] <St0n3-C0l> Skid: Yep
[02:45] <ericb_> and the setup really don't do anything...
[02:45] <ericb_> about networking..
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> how to run bitlbee
[02:47] <Artanis> my wlan connects even before I can login to gdm
[02:47] <Artanis> this is nice
[02:48] <ericb_> ifup eth0 : Error for wireless request : "Set Encode", operation not supported...  well I don't have any wireless around here ;)
[02:48] <beowuff> I just got updated to hoary. VERY nice!
[02:49] <str_tux> Hi. I'm copying an image from webpage to OOo Writer; but it doesn't paste the image (only a link to the web-source)... Any work around please. Thank you.
[02:49] <BigIslandVegan> how does one determine one's kernel number?
[02:49] <crimsun> BigIslandVegan: uname -r
[02:49] <kain> beowuff, well said
[02:50] <BigIslandVegan> thank you
[02:50] <chrismurf> Anybody know of a Mono 1.0.6+ package for Ubuntu/Hoary?  Trying to get the latest Beagle running - I figure there's a repository someplace...
[02:51] <lilricky> chrismurf, have you tried alien?
[02:51] <beowuff> I really like being able to "mount" a server via ssh on the desktop.
[02:52] <str_tux> anyone here having a good experience in OOo? Anyone can please help me?
[02:52] <waltermh> hi all
[02:53] <str_tux> hello
[02:53] <Kazuhiro> hello
[02:53] <moquist> str_tux: I like OO just fine, but I'm no expert user.  what's your issue?
[02:54] <membreya> has anyone here managed to successfully get klamav working? (the frontend for KDE with clamav)
[02:54] <str_tux> I'm trying to copy an image from a webpage
[02:54] <drspin> str_tux: I use OOo almost EVERY DAY! :) :)
[02:54] <str_tux> but the image is not displaying
[02:55] <str_tux> only a link to the image
[02:55] <ericb_> when I startup gnome I get multiple errors, one says Nautilus can't be used because of an unexpected error related to Bonobo.  I didn't did any serious modification on this machine it's almost out of the box
[02:55] <drspin> str_tux: save it to your computer then import it
[02:55] <moquist> str_tux: what drspin said.  :)
[02:55] <str_tux> the problem is when ur reading ur docs offline image doesn't appear
[02:55] <str_tux> but its not convenient saving the image and importing
[02:55] <drspin> str_tux: because the browser U R using doesn't copy the image data, just the link to it
[02:56] <str_tux> no offense meant - but in MS Word it does
[02:56] <Kazuhiro> has any one sucessfully got mplayer working on amd64 hoary?
[02:56] <moquist> anybody: what package has the Linux Programmer's Manual?
[02:56] <moquist> at least, I was going to ask that before I found manpages-dev.  :)
[02:57] <ewhitte1> what's worse than being stuck in an airport for several hours?  being stuck in the airport and they have no food and an old lady just stepped on your ipod...
[02:58] <str_tux> for example, i got a long, and many images documents from the net - its very convenient if i can simply copy-all and then paste it in OOo Writer
[02:58] <waltermh> is it possible to install the official nvidia drivers at install, or do i have to get those after the fact?
[02:58] <drspin> str_tux: it's perfectly convenient -- your m$ experience has made you lazy -- what logical reason does it serve to *copy* the data (in this case an image file but the concept applies to any file format) and store it inside the Open Office writer file??
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> anybody uses bitlbee here ?
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> how to login ?
[02:58] <moquist> ewhitte1: hehe; I'm sorry.  :-\
[02:58] <Kazuhiro> waltermh, after install
[02:58] <Kazuhiro> its really easy though
[02:59] <Kazuhiro> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:59] <cevi> waltermh: nvidia drivers can only be installed afterwards as nvidia has a pretty restrictive license on their drivers, so that distributions aren't allowed to ship them on cds
[02:59] <ewhitte1> moquist:  yeah, that's what I get for flying southwest.
[02:59] <waltermh> cool, thanks
[02:59] <sihen> hello all
[02:59] <sihen> could someone possible help me out with a dosbox problem?
[03:00] <waltermh> i dont know whether to try mepis or kubuntu, anybody have experience with mepis for any pointers as to how they differ?
[03:00] <drspin> str_tux: what happens when you want to use that same picture in a spreadsheet -- you would once again *copy* the data... in other words a copy of a copy --- it started as a low quality image in the first place (assuming JPEG) -- now I know we're not talking about losing data in this case but you wouldn't make a copy of a copy of a picture unless you were desperate...
[03:00] <str_tux> drspin: well i got ur point - but again the time i need to do all those manual thing is not practical. if i can copy and paste it in two steps, that would be perfect.
[03:00] <drspin> str_tux: save... import... two steps :)
[03:01] <drspin> str_tux: LOL
[03:02] <str_tux> how about u have for example 100 images in 1 web page? how long u gonna do the save and import thing?
[03:02] <waltermh> also, what is the kde equivalent to this line in the nvidia help, or is it necessary?  nautilus applications:///System    in step 3
[03:02] <ericb_> anyone have an hint on how I could 1) make the eject button works 2) get mouse emulation (when pressing F10 F11 it does middle click and right click) to work ??
[03:02] <moquist> str_tux: in that case I'd try saving the web page and importing the images from the saved copy.
[03:02] <drspin> str_tux: there are tools that make that easy... wget in this case (type "man wget" at the command prompt)
[03:03] <eruin> hmm, eject works fine here after the latest hoary upgrades
[03:03] <drspin> ericb_: 1) unmount the CD... try right-clicking and selecting eject ;)
[03:03] <moquist> str_tux: are you happy on the command line?
[03:04] <ericb_> drspin : not all of us use gnome or kde, or have a left mouse button, and thx eruin
[03:04] <moquist> str_tux: if not, I'd just go to the "Save Page As" item in the FireFox menu...
[03:04] <Fackamato> hoi ppl
[03:04] <sihen> could someone possible help me out with a dosbox problem?
[03:04] <moquist> don't know a thing about dosbox, sorry
[03:05] <str_tux> moquist: command line is no problem with me as long as it do the purpose
[03:05] <drspin> ericb_: sorry man... I assumed ubuntu/kubuntu default... ;)
[03:05] <ericb_> ;)
[03:05] <moquist> str_tux: in that case I second drspin on recommending wget
[03:05] <Artanis> I have one small problem: Internet works perfectly (browsing, chat), but in console I tried to ping some computers in lan and it doesnt find them, and pinging internet domains is really slow
[03:06] <moquist> Artanis: do you know how you have DNS set up?
[03:06] <moquist> Artanis: did you ping the computers in your LAN by hostname or by IP address?
[03:06] <ericb_> [comment of the day]  apt rocks !  really !  I used debian for my x86 box for many years and I couldn't concieve not using it on my imac, I dumped yellowdog (a piece of crap) and now it's so nice, I have apt back ;)
[03:06] <Artanis> I use DHCP, and as DNS it used my router ip
[03:06] <Artanis> by address
[03:06] <Artanis> and in browser I can surf any domain without problem
[03:07] <str_tux> thanks guys. but again for example in my case i'm reading a manual kind of document from the net. it is a multiple pages (thousands) and a long pages with many graphics on it.
[03:07] <Artanis> pinging any domain is much much slower than surfing them in browser
[03:08] <moquist> Artanis: do you know that your workstation and other LAN systems are on the same subnet, and that the router will allow them to talk to each other?
[03:08] <eruin> urrrk
[03:08] <Artanis> I can talk to them, I do it in windows
[03:08] <eruin> sound juicer working @ 0,9x ;P
[03:08] <Artanis> the "route" command needs about 10 seconds to show up the default gateway
[03:09] <moquist> sounds like an internal DNS issue.
[03:09] <moquist> (at least)
[03:09] <moquist> Artanis: how long does "netstat -rn" take?
[03:09] <St0n3-C0l> Artanis: Using ?
[03:09] <St0n3-C0l> Vypress Chat ?
[03:09] <CarlK> speaking of dns - im trying to dumd down a apt-get bind install so that it only resolve what is on my private lan
[03:09] <Artanis> "netstat -rn" shows up immediatley
[03:10] <moquist> CarlK: I'd like to know how to do that, too.  :)
[03:10] <str_tux> ok, seems wget is cool; any quick help please
[03:10] <Artanis> 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U         0 0          0 eth0
[03:10] <Artanis> 0.0.0.0         192.168.0.100   0.0.0.0         UG        0 0          0 eth0
[03:10] <moquist> Artanis: that's because "netstat -rn" isn't looking up hostnames, so it doesn't run into your very latent internal DNS.
[03:10] <ericb_> hey...  I was apt-get upgrade 'ing but sudently I got a timeout..  my connection seems to work fine but I can't ping archive.ubuntu.com ..  have I been blacklisted because I downloaded 130 mb of packages or is the mirror down ??
[03:10] <CarlK> once I get that setup, then I can have the dhcp server update it and I can stop messing with a bunch of host files
[03:10] <ericb_> ok works
[03:10] <ericb_> I don't know
[03:11] <moquist> CarlK: I'm running DDNS inside my home LAN, and I have bind resolving all addresses internal and external.  Why do you have this requirement standing in the way of DDNS?
[03:12] <Artanis> probably it is an DNS issue. but I don't understand why browsing isnt affected. can't be browser cache, tried new domains too
[03:12] <moquist> CarlK: also, a friend recently recommended a different DNS server that has DDNS (and maybe DHCP?) built-in.  would you be interested if I can find the name of that package again?  it sounded very easy in comparison to doing DDNS with bind.
[03:12] <chuna> Anyone know an Aussie server that has the Hoary Install CD, but not the preview version?
[03:12] <CarlK> moquist - I am testing hoary installs, and trying to config it to only use local servers
[03:12] <moquist> Artanis: web browsing proxy?  (I see your point)
[03:12] <chuna> or a non Aussie server?
[03:12] <Artanis> no
[03:13] <CarlK> moquist - the ddns with bind looks easy enough, if only I could get the dns side to stop being so helpfull
[03:13] <HappyPills> what the? Warty open office has no 'pi' or lambda maths characters.
[03:13] <HappyPills> but it has lambdabar
[03:13] <moquist> CarlK: trying to configure "it" (what?) to use only local servers (for what?)...
[03:14] <moquist> CarlK: I've never tried this, but you see the section in your named.conf that includes the file "db.root"?
[03:14] <CarlK> "it" = ubnto isntall
[03:14] <CarlK> yes
[03:14] <moquist> CarlK: what happens if you comment that zone out and restart bind?
[03:14] <CarlK> I was hoping someone would sugest that... I figured it was it but didn't want to wast time on guesses
[03:15] <moquist> CarlK: caution: I'm guessing.  :)
[03:15] <CarlK> well, so far it is 2 out of 2 ;)
[03:15] <waltermh> come on, help me out, it would be helpful to know what distinguishes ubuntu/kubuntu from mepis, or even an i dont know
[03:15] <moquist> CarlK: but I'll be quite surprised if that's not what you want.
[03:16] <moquist> waltermh: I booted mepis once, and I've never tried kubuntu.  Otherwise I'd be more than happy to help.  :\
[03:17] <CarlK> moquist - it still resolves google...
[03:17] <moquist> CarlK: but don't you actually want to configure Ubuntu's installation servers somewhere else?  surely you do...
[03:17] <moquist> CarlK: I assume you're talking about full OS installation, right?  not just where it gets packages.
[03:18] <CarlK> moquist - the goal is to do the ubuntu install in an islolated environment
[03:18] <moquist> CarlK: huh?  still resolves google... how are you testing?
[03:18] <CarlK> even when I do it from CD, i still don't want it using the net
[03:18] <Artanis> moquist, now tested on another computer: ping in ubuntu: same as on my laptop, ping in windows: works normally. weird
[03:18] <moquist> CarlK: if you do "dig @your_dns_system google.com" does it resolve?
[03:19] <CarlK> # dig @localhost google.com
[03:19] <CarlK> yup
[03:19] <ericb_> anyone have an hints on how kde installation for ubuntu ?
[03:19] <moquist> CarlK: unplug from the Internet.  :)
[03:19] <moquist> CarlK: might be cached?
[03:19] <CarlK> na, i tried some that werent
[03:20] <chavo> ericb_, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:20] <ericb_> it will install a gnome-based thing
[03:20] <ericb_> I need kdevelop4
[03:20] <ericb_> oups
[03:20] <ericb_> kdevelop3
[03:20] <Artanis> does ubuntu block incoming pings?
[03:20] <CarlK> foofoo.com = 216.187.118.221
[03:20] <Artanis> (hoary)
[03:21] <ericb_> chavo oups sorry kubuntu-desktop I didn't see the 'k'
[03:21] <ericb_> thx
[03:21] <moquist> Artanis: yeah, that's weird.  I have no idea what's wrong, but I'd be looking at routing first, I think.
[03:21] <CarlK> Artanis - probably - there is a "no open port" policy, so that would kinda follow
[03:21] <Artanis> yes, but I read that there is no firewall
[03:21] <CarlK> not that you need an open port, but it would "fit"
[03:21] <ericb_> chavo : apt-cache search kubuntu :  nothing
[03:21] <moquist> I just pinged hoary from warty and warty from hoary with no problem or delay.
[03:22] <CarlK> then never mind me ;)
[03:22] <Artanis> I can now ping the other computer since I bootet win there
[03:22] <PenguinBoy> hello
[03:22] <eruin> anyone know of a nice alternative to sound juicer?
[03:22] <moquist> eruin: what does sound juicer do?  :-D
[03:23] <theantix> eruin: what do want that SJ does not offer?  that affects the answer
[03:23] <PenguinBoy> sound juicer rips CDs
[03:23] <moquist> oh, wrong answer above, then.
[03:23] <eruin> it extracts stuff from music from cds and converts them to ogg, flac
[03:23] <ericb_> can I move from ubuntu to kubuntu witout a complete reinstallation ??
[03:23] <eruin> and thats the only thing I want to do
[03:23] <moquist> eruin: I'm a big fan of 'abcde', but it's command-line and stuff.  but very flexible.
[03:23] <eruin> but somehow everything SJ outputs comes out as choppy
[03:24] <theantix> eruin: SJ can do that, so why aren't you happy with it?
[03:24] <eruin> not to mention the 0.9x rip rate
[03:24] <eruin> which is simply unusable :P
[03:24] <moquist> eruin: 'abcde' is a big shell script that uses cdparanoia and can do ogg, flac, or mp3 (if you install the lib).
[03:25] <theantix> ah okay, so the gstreamer backend doesn't work on your hardware, or something -- maybe try grip then if you like gtk
[03:25] <eruin> moquist: me likes
[03:25] <eruin> moquist: cheers
[03:25] <PenguinBoy> Question:  I have a Pentium 4 1.8 with 512 MB of RAM.....Ubuntu is slow on the Internet (broadband)....any idea on how to increase the speed????
[03:25] <moquist> eruin: you can set a function in a config file to munge the names of the files it creates, so that things will fit more easily into your preferred music filetree style
[03:25] <eruin> theantix: cheers, will try that too
[03:25] <CarlK> damit - I //ed out every line in named.conf, force-reload, it still resolves
[03:25] <drspin> grip is nice -- a bit buggy on my system but it could be hardware/media related
[03:25] <eruin> moquist: sounds flexible
[03:26] <mephisto--> Hey guys, I'm having trouble getting ubuntu to let me run my refresh rate at 75Hz. I've checked in the system -> preferences -> refresh rate but the only option is 60Hz and i know this monitor can do 75. Any tips?
[03:26] <beowuff> CarlK, Check /etc/resolv.conf
[03:26] <moquist> CarlK: whoah.  are you sure that bind properly reloaded, and that you're not somehow changing the wrong config file?  (IIRC, bind 8 and 9 have different files in different places)
[03:26] <kdp> i want to manually change the icon for "recent documents", does anyone know the specific .desktop file?
[03:27] <crimsun> mephisto--: probably need to increase the vert refresh range in /etc/X11/{XF86Config-4,xorg.conf}
[03:27] <moquist> CarlK: you're still testing with "dig @localhost", right?  because resolv.conf won't matter then.
[03:27] <HappyPills> any openoffice guru here? who knows the equation package?
[03:27] <CarlK> moquist - tired anway: doodoo.com.             259200  IN      NS      this-domain-for-sale.com.
[03:27] <mephisto--> I'll have a loot.
[03:27] <mephisto--> *look
[03:27] <CarlK> dig @localhost doodoo.com
[03:28] <moquist> eruin: if you'd like, I can post my 'abcde' config file somewhere so you have an example to start from.
[03:28] <CarlK> first time I ever installed any dns stuff, so there are no bind8 things
[03:28] <eruin> moquist: care to upload it to pastebin.com ? :)
[03:28] <onEnterFrame> hey guys - anyone know how to add the extra repositories in hoary? I tried using warty's exttra repositories but replaced all w* with hoary, but it says not found and 404. . . does anyone them?
[03:29] <onEnterFrame> *know them
[03:29] <moquist> eruin: http://pastebin.com/262822
[03:29] <eruin> moquist: cheers;)
[03:29] <moquist> the php tags are, er, not accurate.  ;)
[03:30] <drspin> does anyone know of a good read on relational database design?
[03:30] <moquist> drspin: I can recommend my DB textbook, but I don't know if that's what you're looking for.
[03:31] <moquist> drspin: it covers lots more topics than just that...
[03:31] <onEnterFrame> OK I'm sorry my previous message didn't make any sense- hrmmm. I'm trying to add the extra repositories in hoary, but I don't know what are they. I used warty's ones, and obviously replaced warty with hoary . . but it either yields a 404 or file cannpt be fetched . .  so does anyone know them?
[03:31] <CarlK> drspin - not what you asked for, but related: http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~DataModelingTools
[03:31] <folta> hello people, first timer... can someone give me a bit of advice on installing onto a system with sata raid0? i have a sata controller on the mobo but when i got to the partition screen it recognised as two separate hard drives, is that what should happen?
[03:32] <moquist> folta: sounds like the OS isn't recognizing the hardware RAID.
[03:32] <drspin> thanks guys :) :) I'll check em out -- moquist what is the textbook?
[03:32] <moquist> folta: I'd skip the mobo's hardware RAID (which is probably only pseudo-hw-raid, anyway), and just use Linux's software RAID.
[03:32] <moquist> folta: oh, but then I guess you can't have your root partition on that RAID0 device... :-\
[03:33] <onEnterFrame> Are there any repositories that I should be aware of or should I just forget it? :S
[03:33] <mithro> whats the equivelent of debian unstable in ubuntu?
[03:33] <moquist> drspin: getting an amazon.com link for ya
[03:33] <folta> i'm guessing it is only pseudo hw-raid, i'm looking it up now
[03:33] <eruin> mithro: ubuntu hoary
[03:33] <crimsun> mithro: whatever the current devel branch is.  Currently it's Hoary.
[03:34] <eruin> mithro: the unstable version of ubuntu imports from debian sid
[03:34] <moquist> drspin: "Fundamentals of Database Systems" on amazon.com: http://tinyurl.com/5dy3y
[03:34] <eruin> though atm it's in full freeze
[03:34] <moquist> drspin: they're two editions up from what I've got!  :)
[03:34] <mephisto--> If i want to run my refresh rate at 75Hz, what does my horizontal refresh rate have to be set to?
[03:35] <drspin> moquist: WOW - express service!
[03:35] <CarlK> moquist - you should check out http://www.dabodev.com
[03:35] <CarlK> it isnt even close do "done" but what is there so far is pretty cool
[03:36] <moquist> CarlK: why should I check out Dabo?
[03:36] <CarlK> cuz you do database things
[03:36] <CarlK> or at least you have a db book
[03:37] <moquist> CarlK: well, only one DB thing, really.  and I'm almost done... http://theopencd.org/orchard/ if you want to see the current dev version.
[03:37] <moquist> CarlK: heh - yep, got the book for DB class which was... 7 (!!) years ago.
[03:39] <moquist> CarlK: thx for the pointer.
[03:39] <CarlK> it is interesting anway
[03:40] <andrewski> seems interesting, but why useful for a linux dev?
[03:40] <CarlK> um, cuz you can develope database apps that run on linux
[03:41] <blahrus> anyone know about the debbootstrap issues?
[03:41] <andrewski> i admit i didn't read it much.  i didn't see that its focus was db and the screenies were only mac and windows.
[03:41] <CarlK> what, do they need to make tux blink? ;)
[03:42] <mithro> whats the difference between "multiverse" and universe?
[03:42] <Kazuhiro> blahrus, you attemting to setup a chroot?
[03:42] <blahrus> Kazuhiro: just install.
[03:42] <blahrus> Kazuhiro: when it get to retreaving apt
[03:42] <Kazuhiro> blahrus, ahh k, no idea was going to ask you some questions :)
[03:43] <fangorious> anyone familiar with the DSDT loading ACPI code? (specifically using a custom DSDT)?
[03:43] <speedy2782> I am using hoary on a wifi connection. I have an xp computer on the same wifi. How do I fileshare?
[03:43] <CarlK> speedy2782 bit torrent ;)
[03:43] <fangorious> speedy2782, you should be able to access windows shares without any special config
[03:43] <speedy2782> fangorious: how?
[03:44] <fangorious> speedy2782, Places->Network Servers
[03:44] <folta> it's nvidia's version of raid - nvraid - which is half hardware half software, but i don't think linux supports it, does anyone know otherwise?
[03:44] <kdp> linux doesnt share any folders by default, correct?
[03:44] <speedy2782> The other laptop doesn't show up under that
[03:44] <andrewski> kdp: you mean samba?
[03:44] <mithro> is there a ubuntu for debian people information somewhere?
[03:45] <kdp> andrewski: no, i mean just w/the default installation
[03:45] <fangorious> speedy2782, do you have any folders shared on the windows machine? firewall?
[03:45] <blahrus> kdp: no, maybe the printer.
[03:45] <kdp> ok
[03:45] <speedy2782> there is file sharing
[03:45] <speedy2782> there are folders shared
[03:46] <andrewski> speedy2782: by default?
[03:46] <speedy2782> I have enabled file sharing on the xp laptop
[03:46] <andrewski> mithro: what do you want to know?
[03:46] <fangorious> speedy2782, can you browse them from another windows box?
[03:46] <speedy2782> not sure, I don't have another winbox on this
[03:47] <speedy2782> network
[03:47] <fangorious> speedy2782, do you have the XP firewall turned on?
[03:47] <speedy2782> it is turned off
[03:47] <speedy2782> ok, how can I get into the linux box from xp
[03:48] <fangorious> speedy2782, set up samba
[03:48] <speedy2782> como?
[03:48] <moquist> speedy2782: install the samba server package, and configure which things you want to share
[03:48] <moquist> speedy2782: I hope that ubuntu has nice GUIish ways to do the config, but I don't know.  :-p
[03:49] <n4cht> anyone here use gdesklets starterbar?
[03:49] <eruin> I see "System -> Shared folders" on my gnome desktop ;)
[03:49] <andrewski> n4cht: i used to.
[03:49] <eruin> and I know for sure it works
[03:49] <fangorious> moquist, i'm pretty sure there's no pretty gui
[03:50] <n4cht> andrewski, ever have problems with not being able to add starters?  every time i try, it doesn't show up.
[03:50] <eruin> I'm 100% sure there IS
[03:50] <eruin> ;)
[03:50] <andrewski> fangorious: there used to be in the network tool, but it disappeared...
[03:50] <speedy2782> samba
[03:50] <andrewski> n4cht: no, i had no trouble that i can remember, but it was about a year ago.
[03:50] <eruin> there is one
[03:50] <folta> i'm going to try software raid - but i only have 2 disks, does that make it impossible?
[03:50] <eruin> it's called shares-admin
[03:50] <fangorious> oh yeah, System->Shared Folders, I haven't used that though
[03:50] <blahrus> i don't wanna install warty, anyone have any luck with hoary and amd64?
[03:51] <fangorious> speedy2782, I think the server package is "samba" (sudo apt-get install samba)
[03:51] <n4cht> i can't get new starters to display at all.  it's driving me absolutely nuts.
[03:51] <moquist> folta: I believe so.  Ubuntu doesn't do / (or /boot?) on sw raid yet (to my knowledge).  :(
[03:52] <speedy2782> how do I access samba after it is installed
[03:52] <folta> oh well, they're 10K rpm disks anyway :)
[03:52] <andrewski> n4cht: gnomesupport.org
[03:52] <moquist> folta: yeah, just stick another disk in there for the OS and you'll be all set.
[03:53] <fangorious> speedy2782, supposedly shares-admin (System->Administration->shared Folders), it doesn't seem to be coming up for me though
[03:53] <andrewski> n4cht: or try adesklets. :)
[03:54] <fangorious> speedy2782, the config file is /etc/samba/smb.conf, and you use smbpasswd to map usernames to existing accounts and set passwords
[03:55] <andrewski> fangorious: you're trying it from a terminal too?
[03:55] <fangorious> andrewski, yep, with a root shell from sudo -s
[03:55] <n4cht> adesklets?
[03:56] <speedy2782> should I have the xp set up under domain or workgroup
[03:56] <andrewski> n4cht: adesklets.sf.net
[03:56] <andrewski> n4cht: basically gdesklets without the gnome dependencies... and there are fewer desklets available.
[03:56] <fangorious> speedy2782, up to you. but you need a domain controller to use domains
[03:56] <andrewski> n4cht: but there's a bar. :)
[03:57] <fangorious> speedy2782, when you tried the Places->Network Servers, what happened?
[03:57] <speedy2782> so the xp is under "workgroup" does the linux box need to be under that as well
[03:57] <speedy2782> Nothing comes up...just s fold
[03:57] <fangorious> no Windows Network icon eve?
[03:57] <speedy2782> then the "windows network" does come up
[03:58] <speedy2782> that folder is empty though
[03:58] <n4cht> ooh.  i like the yab bar with adesklets.
[03:58] <fangorious> you only need to configure the linux box with the workgroup if you're going to serve files (it goes in /etc/samba/smb.conf)
[03:58] <fangorious> on the command line, run `nmblookup <windows_machine_name>`
[03:59] <calvin> anybody have time for a networking question?
[03:59] <speedy2782> didn't find anything
[03:59] <calvin> installing ubuntu on an old PC to setup a web server and not exactly an expert at manual static ip setup
[04:00] <fangorious> speedy2782, do you have the firewall running on the linux box?
[04:00] <moquist> calvin: pm?
[04:00] <calvin> sure
[04:00] <speedy2782> sometimes you do silly things...
[04:00] <speedy2782> like...the laptops are on different wifi...for some reason my linux connected to my neighbors wifi
[04:01] <fangorious> speedy2782, heh, frustrated I didn't think to ask that
[04:01] <speedy2782> so, i might have a slight mental handicap
[04:01] <kdp> ack, the documentation is useless...any had any progress of .desktop files?
[04:01] <folta> this might seem odd, but if i'm storing a few dvds at full size, is it worth creating a separate partition for that purpose?
[04:01] <folta> i noticed a setting called 'largefiles'
[04:02] <d27654> how do I change a file association in Ubuntu?
[04:02] <moquist> calvin: 'man interfaces' is quite helpful
[04:02] <n4cht> only thing i'm not liking about adesklets is the lack of debian package.   i hate compiling.  :|
[04:03] <fangorious> speedy2782, so you finding the windows box with nautilus now?
[04:06] <andrewski> n4cht: there's none in the ubuntu repository?
[04:06] <n4cht> not that i can find
[04:06] <andrewski> n4cht: that's sad; i just learned about them today and was hoping to try them out when i get back to my system. :/
[04:07] <andrewski> n4cht: you have the universe rep enabled, right?
[04:07] <n4cht> well, you're going to need to download a buttload of packages to meet the dependencies.
[04:07] <n4cht> yeah universe is enabled.
[04:07] <n4cht> i'm compiling adesklets, finally.
[04:07] <n4cht> wow.  done already
[04:09] <andrewski> n4cht: a buttload?  i thought it was pretty slim?
[04:09] <n4cht> it's really not all that many.  just dev packages.
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> are debian-cd utils the best way to go to make a DVD/RW or 2 with main,universe?
[04:10] <andrewski> n4cht: that's to be expected since you have to compile.
[04:11] <msg43> hi
[04:11] <andrewski> hello!
[04:11] <msg43> I just installed ubuntu preview release
[04:12] <msg43> and ndiswrapper
[04:12] <msg43> but I run into a problem!!!
[04:12] <desrt> msg43; my condolences
[04:12] <msg43> I don't know how to pull up the network
[04:12] <msg43> for slack, arch, and other distros its dhcpcd wlan0
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> msg43: dhcpd
[04:12] <n4cht> yab's not very impressive after all.  you can't add launchers to it.  :|
[04:12] <speedy2782> I can't get my essid to change
[04:13] <Akira> has anyone here tried gnomebaker?
[04:13] <speedy2782> I did 'iwconfig wlan0 essid monkey
[04:13] <msg43> LeeJunFan: thatnks
[04:13] <restrex> a friedn tried it
[04:13] <n4cht> gnomebar is nice
[04:13] <speedy2782> ifdown ifup
[04:13] <restrex> :)
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: iwconfig wlan0 essid [your essid] 
[04:13] <speedy2782> I did that
[04:13] <msg43> speedy2782: I like your essid name :D
[04:13] <msg43> so far my first impression with ubuntu are ver promissing
[04:13] <restrex> he said it's cool but there's no anithing like k3b, he says k3b rocks
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> msg43: no prob.
[04:14] <speedy2782> what do I need to do to get it to switch
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> restrex: k3b does rock, and it comes with kubuntu - or you can install it on ubuntu with apt-get / synaptic
[04:14] <msg43> one question when I do sudo iwlist wlan0 scan it says service temp. unavialbe this a warning sign?
[04:14] <speedy2782> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid monkey did not work
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: what does it say your essid is?
[04:15] <speedy2782> McBrady
[04:15] <speedy2782> my neighbors
[04:15] <restrex> LeeJunFan yep
[04:15] <projectmayhem> hey everyone anyone having troubles with soundblaster cards in hoary?
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:15] <speedy2782> right
[04:15] <speedy2782> I have done that
[04:15] <Akira> K3B kinda blows for someone on dialup though, since its a kde app, downloading all the kde stuff makes it big
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: does your show up?
[04:15] <msg43> is speedy2782 trying to setup ndiswrapper
[04:15] <speedy2782> yes
[04:16] <speedy2782> I have it set up
[04:16] <speedy2782> I just can't get it to switch to my essid
[04:16] <msg43> speedy2782: you trying to get it to work
[04:16] <msg43> speedy2782: did you reboot
[04:16] <msg43> I had a similar issue with a different distro
[04:16] <msg43> can't remeber how I fixed it probably a reboot did the trick
[04:16] <speedy2782> how do I get it to switch essid
[04:16] <speedy2782> that is all I need
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: are you using WEP?
[04:17] <speedy2782> no
[04:17] <mithro> andrewski: just common information like debian unstable == ??? etc
[04:17] <msg43> speedy2782: restart give it a shot
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: iwconfig wlan0 commit
[04:17] <msg43> I'll be back
[04:17] <msg43> hopefully
[04:18] <speedy2782> it didn't do anything
[04:19] <andrewski> mithro: debian unstable == ubuntu hoary
[04:19] <andrewski> mithro: that's one down.
[04:19] <folta> is it a good idea to have a partition for /boot?
[04:19] <projectmayhem> except debain's been unstalbe for 2 years, and ubuntu is coming out with hoary in like a week
[04:19] <projectmayhem> unstable*
[04:19] <andrewski> folta: it's kind of up to you.  i did in gentoo, but i don't in ubuntu.
[04:20] <andrewski> projectmayhem: good point. :P
[04:20] <projectmayhem> haha :-D
[04:20] <folta> thanks andrewski
[04:21] <projectmayhem> anyone here had trouble with a soundblaster audigy card? i'm not getting any sound... yes i checked and my speakers are on! :-p
[04:22] <restrex> how can I put the jimmac's mouse icon theme at hoary?
[04:22] <kdp> restrex: are you talking about the white cursors?
[04:22] <restrex> yepo
[04:22] <restrex> ;)
[04:22] <restrex> yes kdp
[04:22] <restrex> :)
[04:23] <kdp> hold on lemme find the file
[04:23] <restrex> I found it at gnome-look
[04:23] <restrex> but how can I put thet theme?
[04:23] <andrewski> restrex: add an icon config to your ~/.Xdefaults
[04:23] <restrex> andrewski ok let me see.
[04:23] <andrewski> restrex: IIRC the cursor theme is in ubuntu-artwork
[04:24] <andrewski> restrex: but i'm not on a Linux box and I don't know the syntax off-hand. :/
[04:24] <restrex> :S
[04:24] <restrex> ok thanks
[04:24] <msg43> hi all
[04:24] <msg43> I'm back
[04:24] <restrex> .Xdefaults  <- that doesn't exit
[04:24] <projectmayhem> hey fix it?
[04:24] <msg43> I need to bring up my interface
[04:24] <restrex> :/
[04:24] <msg43> I've tried sudo dhcpcd and sudo dhcpd and it says that there no such command
[04:24] <underlord> i picked up an old compaq deskpro pc and have put hoary on it, alsa doesnt seem to reccognise the inbuild sound card, how can i find out what it is and load a driver for it?
[04:25] <underlord> ive been looking in /proc a big and it doesnt seem to be usb or pci based
[04:25] <projectmayhem> underloard i've been having the same problems...
[04:25] <kdp> restrex: go to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default
[04:25] <kdp> and edit index.theme
[04:25] <kdp> the technical name is "Human"
[04:25] <calc> underlord: it may be isa if its old enough
[04:26] <underlord> it looks like its going to be built on to the motherboard but i havent actualy opened it up yet
[04:26] <Akira> anyone know to give all users read permissions when mounting a ntfs drive
[04:27] <kdp> akira: see www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:27] <restrex> kdp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default that doesn't exit
[04:27] <restrex> =)
[04:27] <underlord> seems like its probably from around teh time of when isa died out
[04:27] <projectmayhem> akira yeah ubuntuguide has it
[04:27] <Akira> thank you
[04:27] <underlord> its a p3 600mhz box with 128 meg ram and 10 gig hdd, very small, might even be a laptop motherboard
[04:27] <kdp> restrex: ...hm...you are using Xorg, right?  then i suppose you could just create
[04:27] <kdp> use this syntax
[04:27] <restrex> yep
[04:27] <restrex> :P
[04:28] <msg43> what the command to bring up a network device such as wlan0?
[04:28] <kdp> [Icon Theme] <enter>Inherits=Human
[04:28] <kdp> then......make it a link to somewhere
[04:28] <kdp> lemme find
[04:28] <restrex> !!
[04:28] <restrex> :S
[04:28] <kdp> oop, nvm, not a link
[04:29] <kdp> just regular
[04:29] <restrex> mmm
[04:29] <restrex> i'm confused man
[04:29] <restrex> :/
[04:29] <kdp> on??
[04:29] <kdp> ok...i shall be clearer
[04:29] <andrewski> what about .Xdefaults?  that seems easy and independent of a theme.
[04:29] <msg43> can anyone help me?
[04:29] <kdp> i dunno about .Xdefaults, this just worked for me :-)
[04:30] <restrex> ops
[04:30] <restrex> cool
[04:30] <restrex> :(
[04:30] <kdp> restrex: so youve created this directory, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default
[04:30] <restrex> for me not
[04:30] <restrex> :)
[04:30] <kdp> yes?
[04:30] <andrewski> msg43: man ifconfig/iwconfig or check out the network tool in ubuntu.
[04:30] <restrex> yes
[04:30] <kdp> now, create the file index.theme
[04:30] <msg43> andrewski: the network tool doesn't see wlan0
[04:30] <kdp> and link it to /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme
[04:30] <restrex> no
[04:30] <restrex> I coludn't
[04:31] <restrex> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default
[04:31] <msg43> would ifup wlan0 do the trick
[04:31] <restrex> :(
[04:31] <msg43> found that fromthe net
[04:31] <andrewski> kdp: restrex should just download the ubuntu-artwork theme; they're already there.
[04:31] <siimo> kdp, afaik the dir should already exist there if X is installed
[04:31] <kdp> hm...
[04:31] <msg43> well I'll be back hopefully ifup does the trick
[04:31] <andrewski> msg43: not if you have any essid or configuration options to set.
[04:31] <Akira> msg43: wouldn't ifconfig up wlan0   do the trcik
[04:31] <kdp> well i didnt this b4 updating the ubuntu-artwork
[04:31] <dabi> how can i install new cursors to ubuntu?
[04:32] <andrewski> kdp: which is why i'm saying this now. :)
[04:32] <andrewski> restrex: you catching this?
[04:32] <Yomic> How can I install Windows (98) from Linux?
[04:32] <msg43> andrewski: I use iwconfig to configure it
[04:32] <restrex> andrewski !!
[04:32] <andrewski> msg43: right.
[04:32] <kdp> im sorry, i may have confused more than helped
[04:32] <restrex> I have ubuntu-artwork installed
[04:32] <restrex> I don't knnpow how to put the icon theme
[04:32] <restrex> :/
[04:32] <msg43> andrewski: I do I've been using archlinux and I used slack
[04:32] <andrewski> restrex: right, so you just need to add the line to you .Xdefaults and restart X.
[04:32] <restrex> I don't know how to put the icon theme
[04:32] <msg43> that was the only way to configure!
[04:32] <andrewski> restrex: h/o a sec
[04:33] <n4cht> http://wretched.ws/osXlike.png    <- dorkiest gnome setup EVER.
[04:33] <msg43> well I'm gonna try
[04:33] <n4cht> and it's mine.  haha
[04:33] <kdp> yeah, that OS theme has some weirdness to it...the folders have a really aliased edge
[04:33] <Akira> can gnomebaker burn dvd iso images?
[04:34] <siimo> damn how do i unfreeze a console frozen with CTRL+S
[04:34] <restrex> andrewski I don't have a .Xdefaults
[04:34] <restrex> I'm on hoary
[04:34] <andrewski> restrex: Xcursor.theme: Human
[04:34] <andrewski> restrex: make the file and put that in it.
[04:34] <siimo> restrex, you are supoosed to create that file
[04:34] <restrex> mm ok
[04:35] <a_monkey> where can i get a list of all of the packages that ubuntu 4.10 provides?
[04:35] <kdp> so i KNOW there is a .desktop file for the recent documents menu hiding somewhere from me, torturing my soul...can anybody find it?
[04:35] <restrex> let me restart
[04:35] <restrex> bye
[04:35] <andrewski> n4cht: not bad. :)
[04:36] <siimo> kdp, what do you mean
[04:36] <lytefyre> a_monkey: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[04:36] <kdp> siimo: well, im looking to change the icon, and i can only do that if i have the .desktop file
[04:36] <kdp> and its driving me crazy
[04:37] <andrewski> kdp: is there, or is it built-in to the Gnome menu?
[04:37] <kdp> well, i would imagine so, as everything else has a .desktop file associate with it
[04:37] <andrewski> kdp: it's probably changeable by adding the appropriately-named icon.
[04:37] <eruin> the icon is changed via the icon theme
[04:38] <kdp> no, ive already tried doing that
[04:38] <siimo> kdp, yeah but there isnt one for run or log out is there ?
[04:38] <andrewski> kdp: well, all apps have .desktop files, but the recent docs menu is a gnome internal.
[04:38] <a_monkey> what are some reasons i might want to use ubuntu instead of debian?
[04:38] <kdp> u mean the system log?
[04:38] <andrewski> kdp: no, "Log out" (of Gnome)
[04:38] <kdp> oooooooo
[04:38] <andrewski> a_monkey: usability?
[04:39] <a_monkey> andrewski: what exactly do you mean?
[04:39] <andrewski> a_monkey: a good setup from the easy-to-install setup disc.
[04:39] <kdp> andrewski: hm....so theres no way i can change the icon? whenever i change the icon theme it stays the same
[04:39] <msg43> hi
[04:39] <siimo> a_monkey, latest packages from debian sid but "stable" and supported with security updates
[04:39] <msg43> I'm stupid
[04:39] <msg43> I was using the worng network tool
[04:39] <andrewski> kdp: then none of your themes has the appropriate icon, like i said.
[04:39] <a_monkey> siimo: hmm. that's kool
[04:40] <a_monkey> does ubuntu use apt?
[04:40] <juan> wow
[04:40] <juan> :(
[04:40] <juan> I couldn't
[04:40] <juan> :(
[04:40] <andrewski> a_monkey: but not all apps are supported with security updates.
[04:40] <lytefyre> a_monkey : yes
[04:40] <siimo> a_monkey, yes its exactly same as debian mostly
[04:40] <siimo> a_monkey, and 6mth release cycle sync'ed with latest gnome
[04:40] <andrewski> a_monkey: specifically, "universe" apps.
[04:41] <dex1> Hi. Is anyone free to help me, I'm having difficulties installing Ubuntu (1st time user [or will be if I finish the install] ) ?
[04:41] <kdp> andrewski: so is there a way to figure out which icon it is using?
[04:41] <siimo> good point but most of the common ones are supported
[04:41] <andrewski> dex1: ask away.
[04:41] <msg43> dex1, what wrong
[04:41] <andrewski> kdp: i know not.
[04:41] <kdp> ooooo
[04:42] <siimo> kdp, maybe try a hex editor? lol
[04:42] <kdp> siimo: i have no idea what that is, but i shall laugh anyway.   mwahahahaha
[04:43] <siimo> kdp, lets you edit binaries
[04:43] <hitriko> any of you guys tryed to run a pyton 'setup.py' in Kubuntu.... becuase it won't work for me
[04:43] <kdp> oh
[04:43] <siimo> if icons and such are hardcoded in them
[04:43] <andrewski> hitriko: do you have python installed?
[04:43] <siimo> they exist for windows, i remember seeing one in a KDE menu once but not sure about linux
[04:43] <msg43> dex1, did you slove you question?
[04:43] <hitriko> andrewski: python comes installed with Kununtu...
[04:43] <dex1> It's a i386 system (old Compaq, P2 I believe) . I selected a custom install and have the howto about installing on a min RAM system nearby. Anyway... the system has Win98 on it (does have to be a dual boot system), and I ran partition magic before rebooting (ubuntu CD in drive). It's now at the LVM config menu. I don't know the difference between VG & LP in order to choose :(
[04:44] <geneo93> khexedit
[04:44] <andrewski> hitriko: so that's a yes?
[04:44] <msg43> dex1, nvm
[04:44] <hitriko> andrewski: yes
[04:44] <andrewski> hitriko: probably want to ask in #python-cleese .  i'll be there too.
[04:44] <dex1> msg43: "ouch"
[04:44] <hitriko> andrewski: thanks man
[04:44] <andrewski> hitriko: sure.
[04:45] <dex1> I DID try to find out from the ubuntu site, wiki, googling etc before asking here; but turned up nothing. Sorry.
[04:45] <juan> andrewski
[04:45] <juan> I installed gcursor
[04:45] <juan> and I selected human
[04:45] <juan> xD
[04:45] <juan> hahahah
[04:45] <juan> :P
[04:45] <msg43> dex1, what kind of system do you have what the4 compaq module
[04:45] <juan> bye
[04:45] <siimo> hitriko, anyone know what decision was made about providing updated packages of programs for hoary?  officially?
[04:45] <andrewski> juan: gcursor is buggy.
[04:46] <siimo> hitriko, sorry
[04:46] <andrewski> siimo: what do you mean?
[04:46] <siimo> i didnt mean to put your name there
[04:46] <dex1> It's a pentium based PC, few years old. 3gig hard drive (partitioned half of that for new linux installation), 48meg ram.
[04:46] <hitriko> simmo: lol
[04:46] <andrewski> kdp: i think juan was restrex, but i dunno.
[04:46] <siimo> andrewski, i heard some talk about having something like the unofficial backports  but officially
[04:47] <siimo> providing updates to small modular programs
[04:47] <msg43> dex1, oh I had an old compaq and it had 10gig 128ram pII
[04:47] <siimo> not system critial things
[04:47] <kdp> hahaha, ok
[04:47] <msg43> dex1, can't help but I think lvm is like ms dyanmic disk someone correct me if I'm wrong
[04:47] <kdp> i suppose it worked.......
[04:47] <dex1> msg: you must've been proud? ;p
[04:47] <megabyte405> unofficial backports I found for Warty at ubuntubackports.sf.net
[04:47] <megabyte405> msg43, I think you're right.
[04:47] <siimo> megabyte405, yeah
[04:47] <dex1> Which should I choose??
[04:48] <megabyte405> siimo, seems to work well so far.
[04:48] <siimo> but in forums there were people talking about the possibility of having official backports when hoary hits
[04:48] <siimo> or 'updates'
[04:48] <dex1> Should I modify volume groups or modify logical volumes
[04:49] <msg43> dex1, I don't recal every running into that problem
[04:49] <dex1> ok
[04:49] <megabyte405> anyone else having a beastly time trying to "Connect to Server" to a Windows machine in Nautilus?
[04:49] <eruin> no
[04:49] <eruin> )
[04:49] <megabyte405> I'm sure there's something I'm just missing, so I'd like to get the hang of it and avoid needing to drop to terminal and manually mount it.
[04:49] <dex1> Does anyone else here have any experience of installing Ubuntu (custom install) on an i386 (Pentium) system?
[04:50] <siimo> megabyte405, works fine for me, using the smb:/// protocol
[04:50] <dex1> And who might be willing to help me with a prob
[04:51] <megabyte405> siimo, weird, it's just sitting there for me.
[04:51] <msg43> dex1, why are you doing a custom install?
[04:51] <msg43> wait i know you don't have a big enough hard drive
[04:51] <dex1> Anyone around who might be able to advise me (1st time install) on what to do at thr Logical Volume Manager config menu, which the installer has brought me to?
[04:51] <siimo> megabyte405, are you sure the server is on / accepting connections
[04:51] <msg43> dex1, were do you live?
[04:51] <dex1> yep that was it msg
[04:51] <dex1> England, why?
[04:52] <megabyte405> siimo: well, it's on.... I was just using it, and it was accepting connections last time I checked (I know the printing works fine form other windows machines, I will go double-check the file sharing)
[04:52] <fred> hello all
[04:52] <megabyte405> Yeah, works fine win2k->xp
[04:52] <msg43> dex1, cuase in the US there a store called microceter (computer store) and they have a 80gig hd for $30 after rebates
[04:53] <msg43> was gonna tell you to get one
[04:53] <dex1> oh well, that's that idea nulled then ;)
[04:53] <Roey> hi
[04:54] <dex1> I've a newer machine (which I'm in IRC on), a P4 lots of RAM, HD space yadda. The machine I'm trying to install Ubuntu on is an old PC. Not that upgradeable anyway. Just wish I could make it thru the install
[04:54] <megabyte405> dex1: what seems to be the hangup?
[04:54] <msg43> why would you guys say that ubuntu is better than arch? No flame wars please I just want imput I like them both. I want to see what the arch side as to say and the ubuntu side has to say
[04:55] <Roey> hi, I wrote up a little thing about my issues here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KR63w564.html
[04:56] <Roey> basically my system has this weird problem loading.. it can't fsck.ext3 some partitions yet after two CONTROL-Ds it boots normally
[04:56] <megabyte405> Roey: got a dos boot disk?  Boot onto it, FDISK all partitions away, then at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" no quotes.  Then try again.  Partition table might be weirded out
[04:57] <dex1> magab: I'm trying to custom install experience on a Pentium  system, small HD hence the custom option. I've arrived at the logical volume config menu but have no idea whether to modify volume groups or modify logical volumes. Googling, searching the wiki and ubuntu site didn't turn up anything.
[04:57] <dex1> -experience
[04:57] <fred> i installed the hoary preview today and i'm having some issues with getting MP3's to play... is there a package i don't have installed to handle mp3's? I get a message from the Gnome media player that it is missing an MP3 plugin
[04:57] <tritium> fred, yes, that's documented on www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:57] <megabyte405> dex1: If you're at the logical volume thing, something is wrong.  If you let it use the whole hard drive, it should automatically partition.  Try that MBR thing I suggested.
[04:58] <fred> thanks
[04:58] <learnnix> dex1 didn't you say you had setup a 3gig HD to dual boot?
[04:58] <lytefyre> is there a lyrics downloader plugin for Juk ?
[04:58] <msg43> how can I install fluxbox I'm a ubuntu noob
[04:58] <tritium> fred, you can also search the wiki for restricted formats
[04:59] <blahrus> anyone had luck with hoary array 7 and amd64?
[04:59] <dex1> Sorry, it's a dual-boot scenario; I didn't re-type that bit. I did use Partition Magic in Win98 to create a new 1.5gig partition for it (half the total drive space) and then rebooted with the Ubuntu CD in the drive
[04:59] <syn-ack> Hey everyone.
[04:59] <dex1> I set the partition and the lvm config was the next screen
[04:59] <lytefyre> msg43: get the source and build ..im not sure if they have a .deb package
[04:59] <msg43> ewwww
[04:59] <msg43> I have to build it
[04:59] <dex1> larnix: it's just the one drive in the PC :)
[04:59] <tritium> msg43, it's in Hoary
[04:59] <lytefyre> msg43: did u try apt-get install fluxbox ??
[05:00] <tritium> msg43, actually, in Warty too
[05:00] <blahrus> anyone had luck with hoary array 7 and amd64?
[05:00] <msg43> I'm a noob so I don't know much about apt-get
[05:00] <megabyte405> dex1: hmm.  Then just do the fdisk /mbr, it doesn't touch your partitions.
[05:00] <msg43> is ubuntu i686 optimized?
[05:00] <learnnix> OK, I just df'd my new install with nothing added and I'm at 1.7 gig - don't think you're going to make it with anything but a min install...
[05:01] <tritium> msg43, kernels are
[05:01] <dex1> min install is fine with me
[05:01] <megabyte405> msg43: just do sudo apt-get install fluxbox in a terminal (Applications, System Tools, Terminal)
[05:01] <dex1> the partition is already created
[05:02] <msg43> no such package
[05:02] <dex1> i just dont want to lose date from the W98 partition
[05:02] <megabyte405> dex1: right.  This is an undocumented yet highly useful switch to the dos FDISK that re-writes your master boot record with the regular dos one.  Sometimes these things have gone floopy on me, and this fixes it.
[05:02] <learnnix> so you're going to have to put it in the logical space, not the primary that has Win98...
[05:02] <megabyte405> dex1: it shouildn't damage your data.
[05:02] <megabyte405> learnnix: but not logical volume (LVM)
[05:02] <dex1> megab: I've used it, back in the day to rebuild after virii on a DOS system
[05:03] <dex1> Okay, I selected 'back' in the installer
[05:03] <msg43> ubuntu aint for me back to arch I go
[05:03] <dross> arch linux is a joke
[05:03] <megabyte405> I wonder if he meant to offend/goad people to action with that remark.
[05:03] <Roey> megabyte405:  why do you say that?
[05:03] <Roey> megabyte405:  why particularly that command?
[05:03] <dross> the package manager pacman is stupid. They make patches to glibc which don't even pertain to any type of reason.
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Ubuntu works for me.
[05:04] <megabyte405> Roey: say what?  What command?  The apt-get?  or the fdisk?
[05:04] <megabyte405> I'm a slack and now an ubuntu guy.
[05:05] <dross> megabyte405: I'm a BSD guy, fear me.
[05:05] <underlord> it is an isa sound card, an ess audiodrive 1869, how can i get this working with alsa?
[05:05] <megabyte405> dross: it sure does a good job of the "just working" part, now if only the installer could partition a little nicer...
[05:05] <dross> megabyte405: erm. yes, the partitioner is flawed
[05:05] <dross> megabyte405: be careful, leave room at the end, or you get driveseekerrors at boot :)
[05:05] <geneo93> bsd sucks for desktop though
[05:05] <dross> megabyte405: I need to repartitoin my drive :)
[05:06] <tritium> msg43 couldn't find fluxbox because it's in universe, and he was too impatient
[05:06] <megabyte405> dross: like, for instance, it failed to see that I had partitions when I had win2k and slack installed.  Fortunately, nothing valuable was on them, so I just manually partitioned some space the way I like it.
[05:06] <megabyte405> Isn't BSD dead anyway?
[05:06] <dross> tritium: its on the wiki :) the guy couldn't rtfm ;)
[05:06] <dex1> I'm at the Partition disks section. I've one 3.2GB drive. Partitions: 1) primary 1.5GB fat32 (win 98, which I want to keep). 2) 1.4GB lvm (created in win98 with partition magic for ubuntu to install onto. 3) 272.4mb swap created by partition magic, again for ubuntu. I selected the 1.4gb partition and it's usage is set to physical volume for lvm. Next option selectd is 'finish partitioning & write changes to disk'. It tells me it'll format partition #2 (fine
[05:06] <dross> BSD pasuaf!
[05:07] <tritium> dross, yeah, or we could have told him had he waited like 30 seconds
[05:07] <avdd> Is there a gnome interface to PAM/passwd?
[05:07] <dex1> Now it's complaining no root file system is defined
[05:07] <dross> tritium: hehe
[05:07] <dross> oh I love programming
[05:07] <megabyte405> dex1: right.  You don't want to use the partitions set up by partition magic.  Delete those, or at least #2.  Create a new partition in the free space it reveals, you can just do a max size one as / and ext3 (the default)
[05:07] <dross> oh I love hardware and software, its so fun. Especially when security has to do with it :)
[05:08] <dex1> megab: Okay, you're confident it won't damage the data on partition one (the fat32 win 98 one)?
[05:08] <geneo93> he needs a swap
[05:08] <dex1> so long as i don't delete that partition I mean
[05:08] <megabyte405> geneo93: I'm not having him delete that one.
[05:08] <dross> securing computers is like hot passionate sex, you never know what moves you are going to put on it.
[05:09] <megabyte405> dex1: as long as you don't touch that partition, you're golden.
[05:09] <megabyte405> dross: that probably sounded better with a few more words in it.
[05:09] <dex1> Partition two deleted. :)
[05:09] <megabyte405> avdd: well, I think so.  You mean Computer, System Configuration, Users and Groups?  I presume GNOME 2.8 needs PAM because that's one of the reasons PatV is most likely dropping it from slack 11...
[05:09] <dross> megabyte405: :)
[05:09] <dross> each time I see 'megabyte', I think 'reboot'
[05:09] <dex1> Do I 'create a new partition# or 'automatically partition the free space'? Aren't they the same thang? :/
[05:10] <megabyte405> dross: err, great!
[05:10] <megabyte405> dex1: well, yeah, I think, but I'd choose create a new partition
[05:10] <megabyte405> for safety
[05:10] <Roey> megabyte405:  the fdisk command
[05:10] <dross> megabyte405: you seen the show?
[05:10] <dex1> 'primary' rather than logical is presumably the right option?
[05:10] <dross> megabyte405: it was a cartoon in CG
[05:10] <megabyte405> dex1: If it lets you, go for it.
[05:10] <megabyte405> dross: no I have not.
[05:11] <megabyte405> Roey: it sometimes fixes odd things with hard drives and partitions without causing harm.
[05:11] <megabyte405> It's a secret trick of the trade.
[05:11] <Roey> megabyte405:  well fdisk /mbr would take off the grub first stage.
[05:11] <Skaaa> Can anyone help someone who know little about linux set up a Call of Duty server (warty)
[05:11] <dex1> Ugh, now it lists the partition settings. Do I choose 'done setting up the partition', or change things like 'bootable flag' to on?
[05:12] <dex1> Ideally the dual-bootness will work so I can choose either OS at startup, incidentally.
[05:12] <megabyte405> dex1: set bootable flag on, make sure partition type is ext3 and mount point is /, and you are good to go.
[05:12] <avdd> megabyte405: I mean, how does a non-administrator change his password without opening a terminal?
[05:12] <dross> megabyte405: http://www.mallard.co.za/caroline/images/Megabyte.jpg
[05:12] <Skaaa> i am guessing no
[05:12] <avdd> ... or bugging the person who installed the OS?
[05:12] <dex1> merci
[05:12] <megabyte405> dex1: Ideally.  I don't know how Ubuntu + grub handles that, but it is possible.
[05:13] <dross> megabyte405: http://www.orientation.math.uwaterloo.ca/2004/teams/incoming.php
[05:13] <dross> theres the show pics ;)
[05:13] <megabyte405> avdd: Yep.  Users and Groups can do that.  Just need your own password for the sudo.
[05:14] <dex1> It's now going to fomat partition 2, and isn't touching #1 (w98]  or #3 (swap); all looks good. :)
[05:15] <megabyte405> dex1: yup, good luck!
[05:15] <megabyte405> dross: lol
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> Cartoons
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:17] <St0n3-C0l> merci - Thanks :P
[05:17] <dross> megabyte405: thats what I see every time :)
[05:17] <dross> megabyte405: photographic memory rocks
[05:17] <dross> megabyte405: I think Megabyte looks awesome
[05:18] <megabyte405> heh, yeah.
[05:18] <underlord> i think the alsa-utils package in hoary is missing alsaconf, i have it installed and the package says it provides alsaconf but i have no file on my hard drive by the name of alsaconf
[05:19] <blahrus> anyone here amd64 people?
[05:19] <nix000> i am so frustrated with freenx ... anyone help ! there is no freakin error the windows client just sits there saying it is updatin the x environement.
[05:19] <St0n3-C0l> How do I permanently lock anyfile ?
[05:20] <St0n3-C0l> Every time I reboot the permission goes back to its normal place
[05:20] <regeya> slap it on a CD, seal the CD in concrete
[05:20] <nix000> i just installed freenx but the windows client refuses to login ! i used the warty backports.
[05:21] <akurashy> where can i get zsnes in a repo?
[05:22] <megabyte405> I wish I could get this network going... I'm really tempted to try out Tribes under Wine...
[05:27] <tritium> what's up randabis?
[05:27] <skreet> Is there a new repository to replace nerim, since it STILL seems to be down?!
[05:27] <skreet> :D
[05:28] <randabis> not much tritium, just playing with xcompmgr
[05:28] <tritium> long time no talk
[05:28] <tritium> skreet, nerim is not down
[05:28] <randabis> yeah I haven't been around. I'm back now though
[05:28] <tritium> I just hit it a few seconds ago
[05:28] <skreet> tritium, I'm still getting GPG errors or whatnot, that I was getting a while back
[05:29] <skreet> Can you paste your nerim.net lines from sources.list?
[05:29] <randabis> hoary's improved a lot since my last update in february :p
[05:29] <tritium> skreet, that doens't mean it's down
[05:29] <tritium> doesn't
[05:29] <skreet> Oh, When I was in here talking about it they said it was down
[05:29] <skreet> How do I fix it?
[05:31] <skreet> No?
[05:31] <tritium> skreet, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/view?searchterm=apt%20gpg
[05:31] <skreet> Thanks.. opening.
[05:31] <tritium> np
[05:33] <megabyte405> Hmm, didn't pass the "USB Thumbdrive" test... How do I mount it the "proper" (IE, not terminal) way in Ubuntu?
[05:33] <skreet> tritium, So why do we have to do this all of a sudden?
[05:34] <tritium> skreet, it's not really all of a sudden if you've been running Hoary for any length of time
[05:34] <skreet> Oh, It's hoary :D
[05:34] <tritium> skreet, read the introduction
[05:34] <skreet> meh. I'm lazy.
[05:34] <skreet> :D
[05:34] <tritium> package authentication is a good thing
[05:35] <sabmoc> heh, Im using emacs as my IRC client.
[05:35] <sabmoc> how cool is that
[05:35] <drspin> sabmoc: almost too hardcore I think ;)
[05:35] <sabmoc> yeah its pretty close to the edge
[05:35] <drspin> s?abmoc: do you remember the UNIX command talk
[05:35] <skreet> sabmoc, When you can use telnet as your irc client, thats hardcore.
[05:35] <drspin> sabmoc: do you remember the UNIX command talk?
[05:35] <megabyte405> I was under the impression that inserted media like a USB Mass Storage thumbdrive would be automounted... what did I do wrong?
[05:36] <skreet> megabyte405, It is, and does.
[05:36] <tritium> megabyte405, it should
[05:36] <drspin> megabyte405: warty or hoary?
[05:36] <megabyte405> skreet: I've done that. No joke.  The servers that auto-ping to test and see if you're still there sucked.
[05:36] <megabyte405> Warty.
[05:36] <sabmoc> drspin: no, I think its a little before my time
[05:36] <skreet> megabyte405, I bet.
[05:37] <sabmoc> skreet: telnet was pretty popular, dont laugh :)
[05:37] <drspin> sabmoc: mine too but the Unix systems at Holiday Inn had talk -- I use to use it to converse with other HI employees -- there were only about 5 that actually knew about it and used it regularly --
[05:37] <drspin> megabyte405: paste the result of dmesg|tail in #flood
[05:37] <sabmoc> drspin: your boss let you get HI? cooool
[05:37] <drspin> sabmoc: LOL -- wasn't a stoner back then ;)
[05:37] <drspin> sabmoc: was 15 :)
[05:38] <drspin> sabmoc: didn't learn to enjoy it till a year or so ago
[05:38] <Yomic> Can anyone reccomend a decent dual-boot manager?
[05:38] <sabmoc> drspin: I know, so what is "HI" then?
[05:38] <sabmoc> Yomic: grub owns
[05:38] <drspin> Yomic: grub
[05:38] <Yomic> :D
[05:38] <drspin> sabmoc: Holiday Inn
[05:38] <NetGeek> Yomic: Grub is the best
[05:38] <sabmoc> zomg
[05:38] <Yomic> Sounds like I'm using Grub ;)
[05:39] <sabmoc> drspin: sorry, im a little slow tonight, just got home from work
[05:39] <drspin> Yomic: It's pretty easy to configure
[05:39] <sabmoc> Yomic: I will probably regret asking, but why are you askign about boot loaders?
[05:40] <Yomic> Why would you regret asking? (My dad 'needs' Windows to live)
[05:40] <Yomic> So I need to boot into Windows sometimes
[05:40] <drspin> sabmoc: LOL no worries -- I spent all day in running around gettting my car registered -- emissions on one side of Mesa -- MVD on the other -- two hours just to get a number -- 45 mins wait -- 25 mins to train the girl how to do a driver's license --- and 30 minutes to train her how to register and title the vehicle.... rediculous!!!!
[05:40] <blahrus> Mesa, AZ?
[05:40] <drspin> ya
[05:40] <blahrus> i was just in scottsdale/chandler for the last ten days
[05:40] <drspin> megabyte405: do you know how to add repositories to Synaptic?
[05:40] <underlord> does alsa have one of those crazy drivers so you can play sound with the pc speaker?
[05:41] <drspin> blahrus: LOL small world ;)
[05:41] <megabyte405> drspin: It looks like it can't find a file system, but that's hooey, I just opened this drive (fresh from package) and put files on it from Win XP
[05:41] <megabyte405> drspin: yes.
[05:41] <blahrus> ya really
[05:41] <nix000> anyone ever installed freenx ? i am stuck ... i wish there was even error message i could look at.
[05:41] <blahrus> anyone amd users here?
[05:41] <underlord> me
[05:41] <underlord> blahrus:
[05:41] <megabyte405> drspin: do I need to in order to get this baby to work?
[05:42] <blahrus> sorry I mend to say amd64
[05:42] <blahrus> still you?
[05:42] <sabmoc> blahrus: where is chandler?
[05:42] <underlord> nope
[05:42] <drspin> megabyte405: you need to update pmount and it's dependencies to Hoary...
[05:42] <blahrus> South of Scottsdale, West of Mesa I THINK
[05:43] <megabyte405> drspin: OK.  How do I do that without completely upgrading to hoary?  As tempting as it is...
[05:43] <sabmoc> blahrus: Scottsdale sounds familiar, is that in Canada?
[05:43] <drspin> megabyte405: I did this a couple nights ago with the maintainer of the pmount for ubuntu --- we spent a good two hours figuring it out --- Warty is lacking in a VERY useful function used to identify the hardware...
[05:43] <blahrus> sabmoc: not close
[05:44] <drspin> blahrus: I live in Mesa... southeast of Scottsdale
[05:44] <blahrus> yea
[05:44] <blahrus> sweet, wanna move out there
[05:44] <megabyte405> drspin: ahh.  Might be a wiki/faq item, as I suspect more than 2 people use these drives.  Especially when I can't get network happy.. :D
[05:44] <drspin> blahrus: not a bad place --- I'm only 22 and it's GREAT fun!
[05:44] <blahrus> yea its a good time
[05:45] <drspin> megabyte405: they work if you use VFAT of the initial filesystem but if you use NTFS(this was my case) it won't work
[05:45] <drspin> megabyte405: LOL  -- I meant VFAT *or* the initial filesystem
[05:45] <megabyte405> drspin: Ahh.  I use whatever PNY set, which I bet is close to but not quite the usual VFAT.  What do I need to do to get the hoary stuff?
[05:46] <drspin> megabyte -- add the Hoary repos and then come back -- I'll make youre life EASY!
[05:46] <drspin> it'll...
[05:46] <drspin> damn
[05:46] <megabyte405> Apparently I don't know enought  about repos.  Does this consist of changing "warty" to hoary or adding new lines
[05:47] <sabmoc> megabyte405: open yelp
[05:47] <tritium> megabyte405, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:48] <sabmoc> megabyte405: read the "unofficial warty starter guide"
[05:49] <skreet> How come I cant install xine-ui because libxine1 is unavailable out of no where, I gto nerim working again
[05:49] <skreet> But it's still not available
[05:49] <hayden> is there any graphical vpn software for kde/ubuntu?
[05:49] <sabmoc> of course
[05:50] <tritium> skreet, libxine1 is not on nerim
[05:50] <hayden> sabmoc: like
[05:50] <sabmoc> I cant remember the name, google will know
[05:50] <tritium> it's in main
[05:50] <skreet> it's in main?!
[05:50] <tritium> yep
[05:50] <skreet> Then why cant I get it??
[05:50] <skreet> :(
[05:50] <tritium> apt-cache policy libxine1
[05:50] <ska-fan> Is there an easy way to install realplayer 10 on hoary?
[05:50] <skreet> ::sigh:: Just when I think i got apt down...
[05:50] <tritium> there's also a wartry security update it seems
[05:51] <tritium> hayden, it's not graphical, but I use vpnc
[05:51] <hayden> sabmoc: thanks for ya help...
[05:51] <hayden> ok
[05:51] <hayden> Tritium: how did u install it?
[05:52] <skreet> tritium, none installed none candidate and nothing int he version table??
[05:52] <tritium> hayden, make sure you have included universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get install vpnc
[05:52] <hayden> ok
[05:52] <tritium> skreet, you've got some problems with your sources then.  Have you done an update?
[05:53] <skreet> i update through synaptic pretty regularly
[05:53] <tritium> skreet, join #flood, and I'll show you what you're supposed to see
[05:53] <skreet> i've only added sources, never subtracted (sans the ubuntu cd)
[05:53] <skreet> yep
[05:53] <skreet> go ahead
[05:53] <tritium> you're in there?
[05:54] <skreet> lemme check my sources again
[05:54] <jcookeman> hello
[05:55] <skreet> ya know i have a hoary universe, multiverse, secuity main.. but no "main" should I?
[05:56] <tritium> skreet, you always want main
[05:56] <skreet> can you paste your sources please.
[05:56] <skreet> in flood
[05:56] <sabmoc> skreet: I was wondering about that myself actually
[05:56] <tritium> sure
[05:56] <megabyte405> About how long on a 5megabit residential cable should a Warty->Hoary full upgrade take?
[05:57] <geneo93> not long
[05:57] <siimo> megabyte405, depends on how much you have installed
[05:57] <siimo> megabyte405, but no more than an 15-20 mins i guess
[05:58] <sabmoc> tritium: my sources list page looks like this: "deb http:.../ hoary multiverse" should it list main as well?
[05:58] <geneo93> 600mb or so
[05:58] <tritium> sabmoc, you always want main
[05:59] <dere1> is there a quick link available to installing ubuntu on a machine with windows XP pro without disrupting the XP installation?
[05:59] <tritium> sabmoc, skreet look at the sources list here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:59] <sabmoc> h
[05:59] <dere1> also is there a command line install option to do a 'net' install opposed to a cd install?
[06:00] <sabmoc> tritium: my system runs so perfectly its not even funny, its practically a saint its so perfect.
[06:00] <megabyte405> siimo: pretty much just standard package, plus a few extra apps (maybe 5-10)
[06:00] <dex1> I've now installed it and it's rebooted. Am attempting to follow the min install howto now, but the first step of logging into root with sudo su- has it asking for a password. Is there a default? I tried just pressing enter, 'password' and 'root'. I tried the wiki and it didn't shed any light (it mentioned sudo i- so I tried that too but it's also asking for a pwd and the user one I just created doesn't work). For all I know it's in root, unbeknown to me
[06:00] <dere1> i burnt a cd here and it seems to hang on the base install (apparently it doesn't like one of the files on the cd)
[06:00] <tritium> sabmoc, good :)
[06:00] <dere1> if i could do a base packages install over net would be great.. no patience to download another .iso and hope it resolves itself
[06:01] <geneo93> dere1:  which one
[06:01] <sabmoc> tritium: I only say that because now Im going to put main in .list and watch my sweet system disintergrait before my eyes
[06:02] <dex1> ooh it's working now
[06:02] <techn9ne> if you install ubuntu on a amd64 as a 64 bit OS does that mean every piece of software has to run in 64bit or can you still run 32bit compiled software?
[06:02] <megabyte405> Is there a quick+easy way to export a list of what I installed with Synaptic, in case my upgrade goes south?
[06:04] <tritium> sabmoc, you'll be fine, but you might have lots of updates ;)
[06:04] <dere1> geneo93: which one is it hanging on or which ubuntu?
[06:04] <jcookeman> magabyte405: just use apt-cache
[06:04] <geneo93> which file
[06:04] <dere1> ubuntu hoary array#5
[06:05] <dere1> i am redoing install to get you file.. i believe it was bsdutils
[06:05] <dere1> but will verify
[06:05] <tritium> dere1, you know that array 5 is somewhat dated now?  array 7 is out
[06:06] <hayden> tritium: do .pcf files have anythign to do with vpnc?
[06:06] <dere1> tritium: yeah assumed so.. but i dont have the three hours to wait for array 7 to download (thus the question about netinstall)
[06:06] <techn9ne> yoiu can just install and apt-get upgrade
[06:06] <tritium> hayden, are those for Cisco's vpnclient?
[06:06] <techn9ne> even w/ array7 you still gotta update a ton of stuff
[06:06] <hayden> yea
[06:07] <tritium> techn9ne, yeah, but the installer is newer, in case he's having installer troubles
[06:07] <tritium> hayden, yes?
[06:07] <hayden> yes
[06:07] <dere1> geneo93: it hangs on bsdutils
[06:07] <tritium> hayden, no, but they can be converted for use with vpnc
[06:07] <techn9ne> i think it goes w/o saying if you dont have a broadband connection wait for final
[06:07] <geneo93> and it wont skip that
[06:07] <hayden> ok
[06:07] <techn9ne> 'cause theres lots of updates out everyday
[06:08] <dere1> Debootstrap Error 'Couldn't retrieve bsdutils.  This may be due to a network problem or a bad CD, depending on your instanllation method.'
[06:08] <tritium> hayden, there's a program called pcf2vpnc
[06:08] <tritium> (included with vpnc)
[06:08] <hayden> ok
[06:08] <tritium> hayden, what architecture are you on?
[06:08] <dere1> geneo93: i can't seem to figure out how to just skip that file.... it wants me to skip entire base install
[06:08] <tritium> dere1, did you check your CD's md5sum?
[06:09] <sabmoc> tritium: actually, main doesnt go on the multiverse, universe line, take another look at the document :)
[06:09] <dere1> tritium: nope
[06:09] <tritium> sabmoc, they can all go on the same line if you like
[06:09] <dere1> is there FAQ on doing that?
[06:09] <tritium> sabmoc, all that matters is that you have main listed somewhere
[06:09] <dere1> or better yet is there a way to do a netinstall :)
[06:09] <megabyte405> dere1: try a custom install which only puts on the very base, then install what you want after.
[06:09] <tritium> sabmoc, you can have each listed separately if you want a really long sources.list ;)
[06:10] <hayden> kubuntu
[06:10] <megabyte405> or bootstrap it with a debianbase install.
[06:10] <Roey> HEY
[06:10] <Roey> HOW'S ALL
[06:10] <hayden> 2.6.10-5-386
[06:10] <dere1> megabyte405: only bad part of that is i want to see ubuntu for what ubuntu is
[06:10] <crimsun> Roey: k, let me know when apt-get finishes
[06:10] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[06:10] <dere1> if i have to go to that trouble i would just install debian instead
[06:10] <crimsun> brb, need a drink
[06:10] <dere1> i was very impressed with teh ubuntu live cd
[06:11] <hayden> tritium: i'm on kubuntu hoary
[06:11] <sabmoc> tritium: yes, I know you need main on one of the lines, but I was wondering if it needed to go on the
[06:11] <tritium> dere1, what OS did you download the .iso to?
[06:11] <dere1> windows XP
[06:11] <dere1> well that is a lie
[06:11] <sabmoc> tritium: on the same line as 'universe, multiverse' and hte answer is no
[06:11] <dere1> i downloaded it on debian unstable
[06:11] <dere1> and burnt it on a windows XP box
[06:11] <tritium> sabmoc, that's correct.
[06:11] <geneo93> dere1:  try custom install with just gome-session
[06:11] <megabyte405> dere1: what trouble?  Install to the point where it reboots into the new base (with nothing, literally) system, then change your sources.list, grin, bear it, and apt-get Ubuntu.
[06:11] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/hI6YKR83.html
[06:11] <dere1> right now only box that has freaking burner is xp box
[06:12] <tritium> sabmoc, but as I said before, you do want main somewhere in your sources.list.  Where you list it is unimportant
[06:12] <dere1> geneo93: how do you do a custom install w/ just gnome-session
[06:12] <dex1> You make it sound so easy mega :p. I'm now stuck in 'vi' :)
[06:12] <dere1> megabyte405: how can i do just a "base" base install?
[06:12] <geneo93> dere1:  a virus was inserted
[06:12] <ryan___> is the d-link dwl-122 the best WIFI option for mac users? or has someone had better experience with a different dongle?
[06:12] <tritium> dere1, there are md5sum programs that can be downloaded for Windows.  I'm not sure off hand where, but google could find them easliy
[06:12] <tritium> easily
[06:12] <dere1> i dont see that optoin
[06:12] <megabyte405> md5summer.com
[06:13] <megabyte405> dex1: what sounds so easy?
[06:13] <geneo93> server
[06:13] <megabyte405> dex1: and why are you using vi?  Really cool people use nano.
[06:13] <Yomic> Meh.
[06:13] <megabyte405> ryan___: I don't know, but the DWL-122 positively rules for Kismet.
[06:13] <geneo93> then use cd to install rest
[06:13] <tritium> megabyte405, nothing wrong with vi
[06:13] <Yomic> Grub attempted to load it but it only echoed 3 lines and tried again...
[06:14] <dex1> mega: I want to be cool but since I've been using Linux for ... the length of the time I've been in this IRC channel only, I'll grin & bear it ;)
[06:14] <megabyte405> I know, just playing, just haven't had the time to learn it.
[06:14] <ryan___> megabyte405: what is Kismet?
[06:14] <tritium> Yomic, what steps did you follow to install it?
[06:14] <megabyte405> dex1: google for "how the heck to quit vi" and edit whatever you need with nano.  Once you are 1337 hardcore, try vi.
[06:14] <Yomic> apt-get
[06:14] <megabyte405> ryan___: wireless security monitoring/scanning thing.
[06:15] <Roey> megabyte405:  :q!
[06:15] <Roey> er
[06:15] <Roey> dex1:  :q!
[06:15] <Yomic> It was already installed though
[06:15] <Roey> I think I should learn some more vi than :q!.
[06:15] <funky> hi
[06:15] <funky> how can i now what packages arent been upgraded ?
[06:15] <membreya> Roey: :w! :P
[06:15] <funky> 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[06:15] <Yomic> So I used the Grubconf
[06:15] <sabmoc> Roey: what for? emacs works fine for me
[06:15] <dex1> Aside from the fact I've no idea how to save and exit from it though... I've now got a sneaking fear that http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html (the guide I'm following) in fact requires me to be connected to the 'Net -- which that machine isnt at all. :-O
[06:15] <Roey> membreya:  how about... :wq!
[06:15] <Roey> :)
[06:15] <Roey> sabmoc:  I use jed, personally.
[06:15] <membreya> :P
[06:16] <membreya> l33t Roey :)
[06:16] <Roey> dex1:  save is :w
[06:16] <tritium> Roey, how about not needing the "!" ;)
[06:16] <Roey> membreya:  you too???
[06:16] <Yomic> gedit > *
[06:16] <Roey> tritium:  I just said :w
[06:16] <Yomic> HAha
[06:16] <sabmoc> emacs and nano, accept no less
[06:16] <Roey> tritium:  but the ! just emboldens your statement.  Yes, get me the FUCK OUT OF THIS EDITOR!
[06:16] <membreya> nano all the way baby :)
[06:16] <Roey> !!!!
[06:16] <Roey> tritium:  hence the !
[06:16] <tritium> emacs, when you don't care for pretty fonts
[06:16] <Roey> tritium:  :q[uit] !!!!!!!!!!!!11
[06:17] <tritium> Roey, yikes!
[06:17] <Roey> tritium:  jed, when you want it to start up before sundown ;)
[06:17] <dex1> now it just looks broken :(
[06:17] <membreya> Roey: ...what happens after sundown?
[06:17] <sabmoc> whoa, someone needs to cut back on the java
[06:17] <crimsun> Roey: ok, that's not really a problem.
[06:17] <dex1> "username tty1 - 04:20 blahnumbersblah -bash"
[06:18] <sabmoc> emacs, for when you need to do everything
[06:18] <crimsun> Roey: but you would need to reboot into 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[06:18] <hayden> tritium: i tried this but it says permission denied ?, sudo /usr/share/vpnc/pcf2vpnc /home/hayden/vpnclient/Griffith\@Home.pcf > /etc/vpnc/griffith_at_home.conf
[06:18] <_BIJ_>  question: i'm searching for something like a little tool in the system tray that pops up a window if i got new emails... you know something comparable???
[06:18] <membreya> _BIJ_: just having your email client open ? :\
[06:18] <sabmoc> emacs, for when you just have to kill every last mofu in the room!
[06:18] <dex1> finally I'm out of it
[06:18] <_BIJ_> by the way i'm using gnome...
[06:18] <sabmoc> oh wait
[06:18] <membreya> lol sabmoc
[06:19] <membreya> you meant mofo ? :P
[06:19] <sabmoc> lol
[06:19] <sabmoc> yeah
[06:19] <_BIJ_> membreya, hmm isn't there a better solution than just having the email client opened?
[06:19] <sabmoc> mofu is new mofo
[06:19] <_BIJ_> open?
[06:19] <tritium> hayden, it's the redirection that's causing you trouble with sudo
[06:19] <membreya> heh sabmoc :P
[06:19] <randabis> cool, got usplash working
[06:19] <tritium> hayden, as is discuessed here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:20] <membreya> _BIJ_: I wouldn't know ..thunderbird doesnt hurt my system so I just leave it running
[06:20] <tritium> hayden, either use tee, or break it up into steps
[06:20] <tritium> randabis, how do you like it?
[06:20] <sabmoc> gmail is the shizzle
[06:20] <dex1> Can someone reassure me that the guide I'm following [http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html]  *doesn't* require a 'net connection and that it can install packages ('Postinstall the GUI' section) from the install CD? The PC I'm installing doesn't have Internet access :O
[06:20] <membreya> sabmoc: gmailfs is fine and dandy for those that can get it working
[06:20] <membreya> :\
[06:21] <tritium> hayden, cool?
[06:21] <hayden> no
[06:21] <dex1> Will my foray into Linux end at this hurdle...
[06:21] <randabis> tritium, it's decent
[06:21] <_BIJ_> for emailing i am using evolution
[06:21] <membreya> dex1: ..they still make computers without internet? I thought it came packaged these days "buy a computer...get free "THE INTERNET!"
[06:21] <sabmoc> membreya: I didnt really find gmailfs that useful when I had it, I just like gmail as my email client
[06:21] <hayden> tritium: i dunno what tee is
[06:21] <membreya> gamil has a client? :|
[06:21] <tritium> hayden, did you read that URL?
[06:21] <randabis> I think the splash image itself should be improved a bit, but the usplash system seems to work okay
[06:21] <membreya> meh.. I'm happy letting thunderbird check my 4 emails (including local)
[06:21] <sabmoc> membreya: yeah, i love the interface
[06:21] <dex1> memb: Callin' me a luddite? :p
[06:22] <membreya> :P dex1
[06:22] <tritium> hayden, perhaps just break it up into steps.  First convert the file, into your home dir.  Then, use sudo to copy into the vpnc directory.
[06:22] <tritium> randabis, just decent?
[06:22] <sabmoc> gmail is like making love to a bowl of chocolate
[06:22] <membreya> sabmoc: messy?
[06:22] <_BIJ_> hmm hopefully there exists something like a plugin for evolution...
[06:22] <sabmoc> hmm thats true, I should think of a new punch line
[06:23] <dere1> seems it did fail some md5 sums.....
[06:23] <dere1> grrr
[06:23] <Roey> membreya:  after sundown emacs has finally finished loading :)
[06:23] <sabmoc> dere1: thats bad, mkay?
[06:23] <Roey> crimsun:  I *am* in amd64-generic
[06:23] <dere1> guess i will try for 3rd time to get a good iso
[06:23] <sabmoc> dere1: :(
[06:24] <tritium> dere1, there are also torrents
[06:24] <ryan___> arrgh i used to find that d-link dwl-122 for around 10 bucks now the cheepest i can find is 35 :-X
[06:24] <megabyte405> dex1: I can assure you of that.
[06:24] <crimsun> Roey: err, duh.  I knew that when I say $(uname -r).  Silly me.  :)
[06:24] <dere1> dont care much but takes more than a few hours.. everytime i go to install something is wrong with iso and so have to download by time its done i am in bed
[06:24] <dere1> tritium: i have been using torrents
[06:24] <megabyte405> I can also assure you I'm going to bed, so I can't take the blame if it doesn't.  However, it ought to be able to handle it fine.
[06:24] <membreya> dex1: finally found out what a luddite is :P
[06:25] <Roey> crimsun:  er?
[06:25] <geneo93> might be faster
[06:25] <crimsun> Roey: just me realising my oversight.
[06:25] <Roey> oh
[06:25] <ryan___> torrents usually run the fastest for my downloads
[06:25] <Roey> I see your oversight
[06:25] <Roey> :)
[06:25] <dere1> is http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ right place to get most current?
[06:25] <Roey> crimsun:  heh
[06:25] <randabis> tritium, well, my main qualm right now is the splash keeps going away when hotplug starts, and then the rest of the boot is text
[06:25] <megabyte405> dere1: Torrents should automatically do the checksumming, and they usually max or nearly max my connection (5 megabit down), so I'd say they are good.
[06:25] <membreya> ryan___: I don't see torrents beating the 700 - 800kB/s I get downloading the ISO :)
[06:26] <megabyte405> later, all!
[06:26] <dex1> So being that that PC on which I'm attempting to install Ubuntu doesn't have a connected modem, am I SOL? [I'm following http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html, and have now rebooted after installing the custom install] . Unless it has some other way (elves?) of connecting to the 'universe-repository' I may be in trouble, if a 'Net connection is essential.
[06:26] <dex1> megab: Thanks for your help earlier
[06:26] <tritium> dere1, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050325/
[06:26] <megabyte405> dex1: skip universe, or download it from the http and copy to a cd or disk.
[06:26] <ryan___> membreya: 700 - 800 kb/s  :0....... what freaking isp do u have??
[06:26] <megabyte405> Not a problem, hoep you can get it going.
[06:26] <dere1> tritium is it better to get the daily or the preview?
[06:26] <membreya> ryan___: cable internet to an aussie mirror :)
[06:27] <tritium> dere1, the daily or array 7 images are newer than the preview
[06:27] <ryan___> membreya: thats crazy. we have "highspeed roadrunner broadband" but its slow as hell
[06:27] <ryan___> in fact all ISPs here in texas suck royal weiner
[06:27] <crimsun> Roey: ok
[06:28] <crimsun> Roey: cd /usr/src/modules/wacom
[06:28] <membreya> ryan___: the other day I was downloading a livecd and an ISO (ISO was coming down at 700 - 800kB/s..the livecd was coming down at 400kB/s)
[06:28] <Roey> crimsun:   ok
[06:28] <dere1> i am grabbing daily now
[06:28] <dere1> via torrent
[06:28] <tritium> dere1, cool
[06:28] <ryan___> membreya: mmk mmk, u made me jealous lets leave it at that ok? XD
[06:28] <crimsun> Roey: fakeroot ./debian/rules kdist KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/
[06:28] <dere1> if it can grab in under 2 hours i might be around to install it tonight :)
[06:28] <tritium> sorry there's no netinst image, dere1
[06:29] <membreya> :P
[06:29] <dere1> tritium: its all good
[06:29] <tritium> there should be on ein the future, I believe
[06:29] <ryan___> membreya: haha it takes me a few hrs just to dl the livecd
[06:29] <dere1> i REALLY want to switch to ubuntu (though i am horribly disappointed about the pimping of kubuntu)
[06:29] <dere1> ;)
[06:29] <membreya> ryan___: I cry if it takes more than 10 minutes :\
[06:29] <ryan___> were paying like schfifty or something kerazy for sucky service
[06:29] <ryan___> membreya: i hate you. lol
[06:29] <dere1> is there a way to donate to ubuntu (financially)?
[06:30] <dere1> or buy paid support to feed a starving developer?
[06:30] <membreya> hang on dere1 ...just getting my account details ;)
[06:30] <tritium> dere1, there's a "donate" link on the web page.
[06:30] <fr3edd> help
[06:31] <dere1> sigh
[06:31] <dere1> the donate button is too big
[06:31] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/yYKmFn11.html
[06:31] <dere1> i some how MISSED that freaking thing
[06:31] <tritium> heh
[06:31] <burn> when hoary goes stable, will a dist-upgrade bring a hoary preview to stable?
[06:31] <dere1> see it clear as day now
[06:31] <Roey> crimsun:  wacomcfg.h:25:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[06:31] <dere1> paypal is evil
[06:32] <Roey> crimsun:  preceeding lines:  mkdir .libs
[06:32] <Roey>  gcc-3.3 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -Wall -pedantic -Wall -g -O2 -MT wacomcfg.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/wacomcfg.Tpo -c wacomcfg.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/wacomcfg.o
[06:32] <Roey> In file included from wacomcfg.c:26:
[06:32] <ryan___> does anyone know where i can download the default ubuntu background? i would <3 to put it  on my OS X partition
[06:32] <crimsun> Roey: yep, I see.
[06:32] <drummer87> I need help getting read access to an ntfs part for users other than root.. anyone know how?
[06:32] <membreya> ryan___: that's why your internet sucks..yeah blame mac!
[06:33] <_BIJ_> drummer87, chmod the mountet partition
[06:33] <_BIJ_> mounted sorry a writing mistake
[06:33] <crimsun> Roey: sudo apt-get install libx11-dev libxi-dev
[06:33] <drummer87> doesn't work, it's ro
[06:33] <ryan___> membreya: wut wut wut???????? dont get me started on how mac rocks the world
[06:33] <ryan___> membreya: prolly wouldnt get much support in a linux channel though XD
[06:33] <tritium> ryan___, download the source to ubuntu-artwork off the archive
[06:34] <ryan___> tritium: good thinking
[06:34] <membreya> ryan___: I absolutely LOVE the minimise effects on OSX :) ....but I'm happy to say that I successfully locked up the G4 at work the other day :D
[06:34] <Roey> crimsun:  Building wacom modules for Linux 2.6.11.5 (this may take a few minutes)...Done.   -- how did this happen?? I am not using 2.6.11.5...
[06:34] <ryan___> hahahaha
[06:34] <Yomic> rootnoverify (Location)
[06:34] <Yomic> 	makeactive
[06:34] <Yomic> 	chainloader +1 <--- That is all that grub echoes upon startup. Then it waits until I return a character. When I do it attempts to boot with grub again until I boot in Ubuntu.
[06:34] <_BIJ_> ntfs is always read only for writing you need another tool
[06:34] <ryan___> membreya: hold shift when using F9, F10, and F11
[06:34] <tritium> Yomic, I don't think your /boot/grub/menu.lst has correct boot stanzas for your kernels
[06:34] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/XtcpTX72.html
[06:34] <crimsun> Roey: it's not intelligent in looking at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[06:34] <ryan___> membreya: you can see the swooshy fx better :-p
[06:34] <membreya> ryan___: I'm sorry but any computer that by default comes with a one button mouse with no scroll wheel is an abomination in the eyes of god
[06:35] <Yomic> tritium: What should I do?
[06:35] <tritium> Yomic, did you run update-grub?
[06:35] <tritium> (sudo update-grub)
[06:35] <ryan___> membreya: dont need a scroll-wheel, i put 2 fingers on my trackpad and move up & down to scroll. so there :P
[06:35] <crimsun> Roey: ls -l /usr/src
[06:35] <ryan___> membreya: and click+hold my friend XD
[06:36] <tritium> Yomic, let me know if it reports finding your kernels and other operating systems
[06:36] <membreya> ryan___: not the point!
[06:36] <drummer87> _BIJ_: being ro is fine, i don't need rw on ntfs.. but i don't even have read permissions for it. only root does and there's no root login in ubuntu
[06:36] <Roey> crimsun:  join #flood please?
[06:37] <Yomic> It only found the two Ubuntu kernals.
[06:37] <Yomic> kernels*
[06:37] <lersine> ubuntu is the best.
[06:37] <tritium> Yomic, what is it missing?  windows?
[06:37] <Yomic> Yes.
[06:37] <membreya> ryan___: I just want them to bring a KDE theme that mimics an OSX machine :D
[06:37] <tritium> Yomic, can you paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst on pastebin.com ?
[06:38] <Yomic> What is pastebin.com ?
[06:38] <crimsun> Roey: ick, postinst blindly followed /usr/src/linux.  Bad package!
[06:38] <crimsun> Roey: please use that fakeroot ./debian/rules ... command from above
[06:38] <tritium> Yomic, it's a website for pasting stuff so we can help you
[06:38] <ryan___> argh is there an ubuntu source thing that lists all the files online?
[06:38] <Yomic> All right.
[06:39] <crimsun> ryan___: please clarify
[06:39] <rodnarms> I'm using an updated version of Hoary and it rocks! These people are doing an excellent job.
[06:39] <lersine> I have such problems getting my system to recognize my CD-R drive.
[06:39] <Roey> crimsun:  which?
[06:39] <lersine> Yeah. Ubuntu rocks.
[06:39] <tritium> ryan___, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-artwork/
[06:39] <Yomic> Oh, yes. Now I remember the site. My coding group mentioned it to me.
[06:39] <ryan___> tritium: thanks
[06:40] <crimsun> Roey: cd /usr/src/modules/wacom && fakeroot ./debian/rules kdist KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/
[06:40] <tritium> ryan___, then, grab the latest .tar.gz, unzip and untar, and get the image you want
[06:40] <ryan___> tritium: <3
[06:40] <lersine> For some reason, it won't recognize this internal CD-R drive that I just installed.
[06:40] <rodnarms> I'm thinking of buying a laptop and using Ubuntu Hoary full time. Don't know where I can get a laptop without Windows pre-installed though.
[06:40] <Roey> crimsun:  ok, that went fine
[06:40] <Roey> crimsun:  what was the difference this time??
[06:40] <dex1> rodn: HP do one.
[06:41] <Roey> crimsun:  we didnt' touch the reference to 2.6.11.5 at all...
[06:41] <Roey> crimsun:  the module is still being built for 2.6.5.11 no?
[06:41] <crimsun> Roey: It required certain X Window System headers to be present.
[06:41] <crimsun> Roey: no, the module was just compiled against $(uname -r)
[06:41] <Roey> crimsun:  er... actually.. the X dev libraries were making wacom module for 2.6.11.5...
[06:41] <Roey> crimsun:  aaaha perfect.
[06:41] <Roey> crimsun:  does that mean the next time I load it... it loads the new wacom driver??
[06:41] <asdffdsa> hey, i'm thinking of switching my desktop system from debian unstable to ubuntu...what are some of the key differences?
[06:42] <Yomic> tritium: It isn't exactly under 80 characters long *_*
[06:42] <dex1> rodn: HP NX5000 laptop. It's pre-installed with Linux. Another laptop with it pre-installed is the 'Tadpole Talin 2405'.
[06:42] <crimsun> Roey: that's the goal; we're not quite there yet.
[06:42] <crimsun> Roey: ls ../*.deb
[06:42] <dex1> From $1155, only available through the HP website. It has SUSE 9.1.
[06:42] <rodnarms> THanks dexl, let me look into it
[06:42] <dex1> yw
[06:43] <tritium> Yomic, that must be a per-line limit.  Go for it
[06:43] <tritium> heh, I just noticed the Fourier transforms on www.emperorlinux.com
[06:43] <lersine> Any idea on what my CD-R problem could be?
[06:43] <lersine> I've checked www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:43] <Roey> crimsun:  ../wacom-kernel-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_0.6.6-4_amd64.deb
[06:43] <Roey> ../wacom-kernel-modules-2.6.11.5_0.6.6-4_amd64.deb
[06:44] <crimsun> Roey: great.
[06:44] <Roey> =)
[06:44] <crimsun> Roey: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i ../wacom-kernel-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_0.6.6-4_amd64.deb
[06:44] <rodnarms> who makes the tadpole talon?
[06:44] <rodnarms> any website
[06:44] <Yomic> tritium: Sent
[06:44] <tritium> Yomic, what's the URL?
[06:44] <Roey> crimsun:  The wacom module must be loaded before the HID module.
[06:45] <tritium> rodnarms, never heard of it
[06:45] <crimsun> Roey: is that what it said?
[06:45] <dex1> rodn: That was reviewed in a previous issue of Linux format, which I don't have. ;) I assumed 'Tadpole' (?) made it
[06:45] <taim> Can somebody point me in the right direction with mouse problems: psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away.?
[06:45] <dex1> Tadpolin Talin ('i')
[06:46] <Yomic> http://pastebin.com/262881
[06:46] <taim> Not sure if that's 1000 percent my issue, but I think it's related..
[06:46] <Roey> crimsun:  see #flood
[06:46] <Roey> crimsun:  yeah
[06:46] <crimsun> Roey: yep.
[06:46] <dex1> rodn: If you want I can see if the magazine's website mentions anything?
[06:46] <rodnarms> found it now. thanks
[06:46] <crimsun> Roey: ok. One more thing: sudo apt-get install wacom-tools
[06:47] <Roey> crimsun:  btw
[06:47] <randabis> I'll be just fine pretending I'm not
[06:47] <llamabutcher> hey guys i am trying to get my belkin wireless card working in ubuntu hoary
[06:47] <Roey> crimsun:  I don't see the HID module in /etc/modules
[06:47] <tritium> Yomic, I'm wondering if you have to enable LBA in your BIOS.  Your grub configuration looks okay.
[06:47] <crimsun> Roey: that's ok.
[06:47] <Roey> crimsun:  also the wacom module was not in /etc/modules, either.
[06:47] <llamabutcher> the first step says to install ndisrapper-utils with synaptic package manager
[06:47] <Roey> crimsun:  how will we know what loads first?
[06:47] <llamabutcher> what is that exactly?
[06:47] <crimsun> Roey: that, too, is ok.
[06:48] <dex1> Sooo, where do I go from here? I'm in the 'Postinstall the GUI' section of the guide I'm follwowing ['http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html] . I'm installing Ubuntu off CD, on what'll be a dual-boot system. It's now rebooted into Ubuntu but since that PC has no connected modem... attempting to "apt-get" stuff from the universe repository shan't help. Is there a site I can get the files from instead, and should I just download the ones listed
[06:48] <crimsun> Roey: module-init-tools is intelligent
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[06:48] <Roey> hmm
[06:48] <crimsun> Roey: you just need to install wacom-tools, then reboot
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  btw the modules init stuff is all voodoo to me :)
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  awesome
[06:48] <tritium> Yomic, is your windows partition on /dev/hda3 ?
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  this log is being saved btw.
[06:48] <Yomic> Yes.
[06:48] <crimsun> Roey: k
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  i'll see if this works
[06:48] <Yomic> hdc3
[06:48] <tritium> Yomic, then the config looks okay.
[06:48] <dex1> Ubuntu = painful, for me :(
[06:48] <tritium> Yomic, oh, hdc3?
[06:49] <Roey> what the hell is beeping all of a sudden
[06:49] <llamabutcher> has anyone succusfully gotten ndiswrapper to work w/ wifi in ubuntu?
[06:49] <Roey> ah, the cell phone (because the speakers were off and I was like.. what the hell?)
[06:49] <crimsun> llamabutcher: many people have
[06:49] <Roey> crimsun:  lemme reboot and try... do you think X will need any extra configuration by any chance?
[06:50] <crimsun> possibly, but I don't know offhand
[06:50] <Yomic> hdc1 = linux /; hdc2 = linux swap; hdc3 = Windows98; hdc4 = Shared
[06:50] <crimsun> Roey: 11) Edit your XF86Config-4 file as desribed in the linuxwacom Howto.
[06:50] <crimsun> Reboot.  Enjoy.
[06:50] <Roey> crimsun:  that's all taken care of, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:50] <Roey> crimsun:  lemme see, neat ;)
[06:50] <crimsun> Roey: k
[06:50] <llamabutcher> crimsun, i am trying to follow this guide on getting it to work. it says to install ndiswrapper from the synaptic package manager
[06:50] <tritium> Yomic, then it should be (hd2,2)
[06:50] <Roey> crimsun:  also, is it possible maybe to get my first problem working?
[06:50] <llamabutcher> but i have no idea what that is or what that means
[06:51] <llamabutcher> i have no internet access until i get the wireless card working too, so its hard to look stuff up
[06:51] <Roey> crimsun:  that error on startup that you or calc suggested I see #ubuntu-kernel for?
[06:51] <crimsun> Roey: Nvidia 1.0-7167?
[06:51] <Roey> crimsun:  that's another one but the one I'm referring to is this error on startup:
[06:51] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/KR63w564.html
[06:52] <llamabutcher> crimsun do u know what that is?
[06:52] <Akira> I have a question regarding my dvd burner... When burning dvds, It says its burning at 4x but seems to be going under that speed, has anyone experienced anything like this?
[06:52] <UnbuntuBaby> does anyone know how to compile device driver modules for Ubuntu?
[06:52] <Roey> llamabutcher:  silly, crimsun knows all ;)
[06:52] <crimsun> llamabutcher: Warty or Hoary?
[06:52] <llamabutcher> well what is that?
[06:53] <llamabutcher> crimsun hoary
[06:53] <UnbuntuBaby> I have 2 .c files I need to load inti Ubuntu to get my PCMCIA cards to work, and no luck :(
[06:53] <llamabutcher> but its weird, this hoary
[06:53] <llamabutcher> i cant do ANYTHING w/ sudo
[06:53] <crimsun> llamabutcher: the Synaptic Package Manager is in System>
[06:53] <rdw200169> in hoary?
[06:53] <tritium> Yomic, that doesn't make much sense.  If your hard drive is /dev/hdc, why are all your grub entries hd0 ?
[06:53] <Roey> llamabutcher:  enter your user pw
[06:53] <rdw200169> to get sudo working you have to edit visudo
[06:53] <llamabutcher> yeah i do, but its weird, it keeps saying postdrop, cannot find file or directory
[06:53] <llamabutcher> ive never had that problem in warty
[06:53] <rdw200169> otherwise you su root
[06:53] <JDahl> llamabutcher, edit /etc/sudoers as root
[06:53] <llamabutcher> i think i may just put warty back on
[06:53] <llamabutcher> jdahl, i cant get into root
[06:53] <Yomic> I don't know. I'm a noob ;_;
[06:54] <llamabutcher> crimsun, u mean right in the system option? I can do it with gui?
[06:54] <crimsun> llamabutcher: yep
[06:54] <llamabutcher> oh okay cool
[06:54] <llamabutcher> i think i may go back to warty tho
[06:54] <JDahl> llamabutcher, the same thing happened to me when I installed Hoary Preview... I was asked for a root password, and my ordinary account didnt have sudo priviledges
[06:54] <llamabutcher> ive never had this problem w/ hoary
[06:54] <llamabutcher> er, warty
[06:55] <llamabutcher> is there any noticeable differece w/ hoary that is worth keeping?
[06:55] <llamabutcher> over the tried and true warty?
[06:55] <rdw200169> all you have to do is edit sudo using visudo and add:
[06:55] <UnbuntuBaby> a better qn: how di I search the help contents for support?
[06:55] <tritium> Yomic, please address your comments to me so I see them
[06:55] <llamabutcher> rdw, i cant do anything w/ sudo tho
[06:55] <UnbuntuBaby> Categories seems pretty limited.
[06:55] <llamabutcher> any command i try keeps saying postdrop blah blah blah
[06:55] <Roey> crimsun:  so basically that was me telling calc my bootup problem
[06:55] <rdw200169> instead of using sudo ...
[06:55] <Roey> crimsun:  and it contains a reference to the boot error
[06:56] <llamabutcher> ?
[06:56] <rdw200169> $su root
[06:56] <rdw200169> that should give you root access
[06:56] <Yomic> tritium: I am sorry. I'm used to unaddressed IRCing in a less crowded server and channels.
[06:56] <tritium> Yomic, thanks ;)
[06:56] <rdw200169> then visudo (edits sudo options)
[06:56] <llamabutcher> rdw, how can i make it so that i NEVEr have to type sudo
[06:56] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2qaAZM82.html
[06:56] <llamabutcher> i dont like that shit
[06:56] <llamabutcher> i want to log into root through terminal and then do what i need to do instead of typing sudo every time
[06:56] <Roey> llamabutcher:  sudo bash, heh
[06:56] <Yomic> tritium: ;P
[06:56] <Roey> llamabutcher:  sudo bash.  su.
[06:56] <tritium> llamabutcher, you can sudo -s
[06:57] <rdw200169> and add in the file under # User priviledge Specification
[06:57] <Roey> llamabutcher:  su
[06:57] <Roey> llamabutcher:  save yourself the hassle ;)
[06:57] <llamabutcher> sudo bash. su?
[06:57] <rdw200169> (username)    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:57] <Roey> llamabutcher:  sudo bash or use su
[06:57] <Roey> llamabutcher:  just do su.
[06:57] <tritium> su is disabled until you give root a password
[06:57] <llamabutcher> are you guys all using hoary?
[06:57] <Roey> llamabutcher:  ya
[06:57] <crimsun> Roey: but you can continue booting after ^D^D ?
[06:57] <Roey> llamabutcher:  well.. the hoary preview.
[06:57] <tritium> sudo -s is what's recommended
[06:58] <Roey> crimsun:  yes, indeed.
[06:58] <dex1> I'm using Warty. Or would be if I could get it installed
[06:58] <llamabutcher> is there anything better about it?
[06:58] <tritium> beyond preview now, with updates
[06:58] <crimsun> Roey: I don't know much about md/lvm/evms, sorry.
[06:58] <omni_lonnie> or you can use "sudo su"
[06:59] <crimsun> eek?  No, use sudo -s
[06:59] <Yomic> tritium: So... um... What should I do? >_<
[06:59] <llamabutcher> so tritium just typing sudo -s will allow me to put my root password in
[06:59] <llamabutcher> and then what happens
[06:59] <Roey> crimsun:  I don't know why the thing installed evms at all
[06:59] <Roey> I'll ask in evms.
[06:59] <Roey> crimsun:   I have the evms debug logs too
[06:59] <dex1> Where do I get packages? The guide I'm following [http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html]  says to "apt get blah" but the PC I'm installing Ubuntu on has no 'net connection at all so that's no help, sadly.
[06:59] <tritium> llamabutcher, after sudo -s, you can give root a password with the passwd command, but sudo -s is used in place of su
[07:00] <omni_lonnie> crimsun: what's wrong with sudo su?
[07:00] <Amaranth> dex1: You can get into the repository and download them yourself
[07:00] <SiRrUs> good evening
[07:00] <Roey> crimsun:  ok lemme reboot.
[07:00] <Amaranth> dex1: Go to the URL that's in sources.list using a web browser
[07:00] <crimsun> omni_lonnie: just use what sudo provides instead of invoking an additional program ("su")
[07:00] <tritium> Yomic, it boots linux just fine?
[07:00] <dex1> Ama: Should I use the universe one mentioned in the guide?
[07:00] <crimsun> omni_lonnie: sudo -s does that
[07:00] <Yomic> tritium: Yes, I am currentlt in Linux.
[07:00] <llamabutcher> crimsun, is the synaptic package manager in warty as wel?
[07:00] <Yomic> currently*
[07:00] <llamabutcher> if i decide to go back to it
[07:01] <tritium> Yomic, well, first try enabling LBA in your BIOS, as mentioned earlier.
[07:01] <crimsun> llamabutcher: it's the preferable graphical one, yes
[07:01] <Yomic> tritium: About that... How would I go about doing that?
[07:01] <tritium> Yomic, it depends on your hardware
[07:01] <dere1> anyone seen this
[07:01] <dere1> ""hoary-install-i386.iso" : Aborting the torrent as it was rejected by the tracker while not connected to any peers. Message from the tracker:     Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."
[07:01] <dex1> amaranth: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted ? Ok, going there now.
[07:02] <Yomic> tritium: I know how to load my BIOs but how would I change it. (Actually, I'm more interested in WHAT it would change.)
[07:02] <Amaranth> dex1: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[07:02] <dex1> thnx
[07:03] <tritium> Yomic, I don't know your BIOS to be able to answer that
[07:03] <Yomic> Alright.
[07:03] <Yomic> tritium: I'll try it out.
[07:03] <tritium> ok
[07:03] <Yomic> Brb.
[07:03] <dere1> hmm array 7 seems to work okay....
[07:04] <dere1> going with that
[07:04] <dex1> amaranth: How do I decide between those subdirectories?
[07:04] <Amaranth> dex1: apt-cache show package-name will tell you which one
[07:04] <Amaranth> and what version you'll want to download (warty and hoary are mixed in the pool)
[07:05] <dex1> ah ok thanks - I don't need to be connected with that PC to use apt-cache right?
[07:06] <waseem> hi, im applying the updates for ubuntu and one of them named w32codecs displays a warning message. it says "You are about to install software that can't be authenticated! Doing this could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of your system." Should I update the package or what
[07:06] <dex1> Hmm, apparently I do it returned an error.
[07:06] <tritium> waseem, it's from ftp.nerim.net
[07:06] <tritium> waseem, you probably haven't imported Marillat's kes
[07:06] <waseem> ?
[07:07] <tritium> keys
[07:07] <crimsun> my AptAuthenticationForHoary page is getting some exercise, nice.
[07:07] <tritium> yep
[07:07] <waseem> should i import that?
[07:07] <dex1> amaranth: any ideas? (the to-be ubuntu PC has no modem connection, so I'd need to download on this other PC and burn files to a CD-ROM)
[07:07] <crimsun> I think I left out "Instructions"
[07:07] <waseem> how do i import Marillat's keys?
[07:08] <Amaranth> you need to be connected
[07:08] <tritium> waseem, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[07:08] <dex1> It has no modem connection; I can't connect that PC.
[07:08] <Amaranth> dex1: You aren't on ubuntu right now?
[07:08] <tritium> waseem, courtesy of crimsun ;)
[07:08] <sabmoc> hi Myrtti
[07:08] <sabmoc> hi myles3
[07:08] <Amaranth> dex1: What's the name of the package?
[07:09] <dex1> Amaranth: No, there're two PCs. This nice connected one and the old one (no modem, only 48MB ram etc) to which I installed a custom install
[07:09] <waseem> tritium: so should i download and install the package? or should i follow the instructions on the link first?
[07:09] <dex1> Amar: I'm using http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html, and am at the postinstall gui section. Those ones
[07:09] <dex1> This connected PC doesn't use 'nix
[07:09] <geneo93> dex1:  48 mb of ram
[07:10] <dex1> geneo: It's an old PC. This one I'm typing on has a LOT more. ;)
[07:10] <tritium> waseem, either way
[07:10] <aalam> hello all
[07:10] <dex1> But I can't install Ubuntu on this one. :)
[07:10] <geneo93> well 48 is a liitle lite for linux with gui
[07:10] <hayden> im bored, what can i do wit ubuntu
[07:10] <Amaranth> dex1: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:10] <dex1> k going there
[07:11] <aalam> i want to start Punjabi Language for Ubuntu, can anybody help me??
[07:11] <dex1> Amar: Oh cool, that looks to have the files - merci!
[07:11] <Amaranth> aalam: join #ubuntu-devel
[07:11] <sabmoc> so hows it going myles3?
[07:12] <myles3> good good i need to now are we doing the blog or not? sabmoc
[07:12] <aalam> Amaranth, ok, thanks
[07:12] <sabmoc> myles3: did you register the project?
[07:12] <myles3> sabmoc: yes i did but it is going to take about a week
[07:13] <myles3> sabmoc: to get finished
[07:13] <sabmoc> myles3: are you still planning to host the same way, or has it changed?
[07:14] <waseem> wow so i need to do everything on the "Getting Started" page crimsun?
[07:14] <myles3> sabmoc: i am not sure i have hosting off 1and1 and i am going to host it there
[07:14] <sabmoc> myles3: join #ubuntu-devel
[07:14] <rdw200169> has anyone heard anything new about Usplash
[07:14] <crimsun> rdw200169: delayed, not coming with Hoary.
[07:15] <crimsun> rdw200169: possibly with Breezy (Hoary+1)
[07:15] <rdw200169> oh, bummer...
[07:15] <rdw200169> i guess i'm off to patch my kernel then
[07:16] <SirGrok> Hey all, I just made the switch to Ubuntu and have a few questions...
[07:17] <Rotund> SirGrok: ask away
[07:17] <SirGrok> This is my first time on GNOME and I don't know how to run it that well... Is there a place where I can set "scoll over destop = scroll through windows"?
[07:17] <Rotund> sloppy focus?
[07:18] <SirGrok> Also, is there a better way to use Nautalis (spelling?) so that I can have tree views and not every time I open a folder a new window pops up (Or an alternative.... I searched the suppoed programs list and nothing popped out)
[07:18] <SirGrok> Rotund, what?
[07:18] <SirGrok> I am not a total linux noob, I have about 4 months of good experience, but I don't know what that is.
[07:18] <Rotund> SirGrok: Preferences->Windows  That first option... is that what you mean?
[07:19] <rdw200169> what is the best (easiest) alternative to Usplash for amd64 hoary
[07:19] <Rotund> SirGrok: or do you mean more like scrolling == task switching.... not that I know of
[07:20] <Rotund> SirGrok: Sloppy Focus = Program under mouse is the active one
[07:20] <pinnedbot> I made a mistake by installing realplayer twice.. what i did was install realplayer and then tried tor run, and it didn't work, and installed it once again.  . and then i was struck on the head for I forget to restart the GUI. .  how can I uninstall programs (or realplayer, in my case) in ubuntu? thanks inadvance
[07:20] <tritium> pinnedbot, was it an debian package from ftp.nerim.net that you installed?
[07:21] <Rotund> SirGrok: Nautilus is ... Preferences->File Management -> Behavior -> Always open in browser windows
[07:21] <pinnedbot> no, the one from real.com/linux
[07:21] <pinnedbot> thanks for your question
[07:21] <SirGrok> Rotund, I meand that when i scoll over the desktop it would change my workspace (Sorry, used wrong word)
[07:21] <SirGrok> meant*
[07:21] <tritium> pinnedbot, I'm not familiar with that
[07:21] <Rotund> SirGrok: I don't think so, but you could probably set it up as some hotkey =(
[07:22] <pinnedbot> but generally, isn't there a utility that will let you remove programs, tritium?
[07:22] <Kazuhiro> any one know of an  Expos addon for ubuntu?
[07:22] <SirGrok> Rorund, Thanks a lot (that wasn't sarcasm)
[07:22] <tritium> pinnedbot, yes, debian packages, but not arbitrarily-installed software
[07:22] <Rotund> pinnedbot: Did you install to different directories?
[07:23] <SirGrok> And the cool file manager (I don't like Nautalus that much... unless I could fix it up.)
[07:23] <pinnedbot> yeah I did - both are in a seperate directories (sorry I'm new to the whole linux thing, so bear with me there =) )
[07:24] <Rotund> Kazuhiro: I've seen one, but I think it was QUITE beta at the time.  Expecting to see such things once Composite stopping being unstable
[07:24] <ells> tritium: Mike, can you believe Duke lost
[07:24] <Rotund> (hopefully someone ACTUALLY makes a test suite... unlike RENDER
[07:24] <tritium> ells, sort of
[07:24] <pinnedbot> so no workout for that? Shall I delete the directories and install the debian package?
[07:24] <Kazuhiro> Rotund, thank you
[07:24] <ells> tritium: Duke was a 1 seed
[07:24] <Rotund> pinnedbot: You should be able to just delete the directory... done
[07:25] <tritium> ells, I know
[07:25] <pinnedbot> oh then, thank you, rotund and tritium! =) I'll try it out now!
[07:25] <ells> tritium: well, I guess Duke can start planning for next season
[07:26] <tritium> ells, so who's it going to be?  Illinois or N.C. ?
[07:26] <ells> nooooooo, Arizona
[07:26] <Rotund> Kazuhiro: Expocity
[07:27] <speedy2782> how do I set file sharing to allow an xp box to login remotely and transfer files through a wifi?
[07:27] <speedy2782> I am mentally handicapped with networking
[07:27] <fangorious> speedy2782, you still having trouble with smb?
[07:27] <speedy2782> I want to jump off a bridge with my laptop to break my fall
[07:27] <tritium> ells, so do you need any help with anything tonight?
[07:27] <Kazuhiro> Rotund, will it work with out too much hassel do you thing?
[07:27] <Kazuhiro> think
[07:28] <speedy2782> how do I login into an essid with a wep
[07:28] <fangorious> anyone know why "Configuring network interfaces" take so long during boot when loopback is the only one set to auto in /etc/networks/interfaces
[07:28] <fangorious> speedy2782, you can specify the key in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:28] <Rotund> Kazuhiro: Dunno.  I know there's no package.  Other people are mentioning Skippy too
[07:29] <Kazuhiro> ok thanks for the leads
[07:29] <ells> tritium: naw, dont think so, I am gonna repartition my drive on the laptop and will try the wireless card after
[07:29] <Burgundavia> fangorious: that is because the devs haven't worked all their magic yet. It probably will happen in breezy
[07:29] <tritium> ells, okay
[07:29] <fangorious> speedy2782, "wireless-key <>"
[07:29] <Rotund> Kazuhiro: You seen the Seth Nickel Luminocity videos yet?  That'll show you what's possible =)
[07:29] <ells> tritium: trying to get out from under windows
[07:29] <Kazuhiro> Rotund, nope, got a url?
[07:29] <ells> tritium: a little at a time
[07:29] <tritium> nice
[07:30] <fangorious> speedy2782, you can also specify it using the network-admin gui (System->Administration->Networking)
[07:30] <fangorious> anyone here using a custom DSDT in the initrd image?
[07:30] <Rotund> Kazuhiro: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog//xshots
[07:31] <Rotund> Kazuhiro: It even made slashdot =)
[07:31] <speedy2782> how do I find an xp box
[07:31] <ells> tritium: hard to believe I am graduating on Monday
[07:31] <tritium> ells, congratulations
[07:31] <fangorious> speedy2782, are you associated with you AP now?
[07:31] <ells> tritium: thanks
[07:31] <speedy2782> I am on the same ap as the xp box.
[07:32] <speedy2782> I didn't get on monkey, I got both on my neighbors
[07:32] <fangorious> try browsing "network:///" in nautilus
[07:32] <Rotund> speedy2782: You mean via Samba/MS Networking/CIFS (any other good names for it)
[07:32] <ells> tritium: you graduate this summer, right
[07:32] <speedy2782> I don't mean anything
[07:32] <rdw200169> find
[07:32] <speedy2782> I don't know how to do any netwrorking
[07:32] <tritium> ells, yes
[07:32] <ells> tritium: cool
[07:33] <speedy2782> I am slow when networking and linux come in the same sentence
[07:33] <speedy2782> Do I need to have something installed
[07:33] <Kazuhiro> Rotund, cool thanks, too busy with work to follow ./ or news sites now :(
[07:33] <fangorious> speedy2782, no
[07:33] <speedy2782> cifs?
[07:33] <ells> tritium: paging Doctor Mike, paging Doctor Mike
[07:33] <Rotund> speedy2782: Another name for microsoft networking
[07:33] <Rotund> as is samba
[07:33] <tritium> ells, Mike will be fine :)
[07:33] <Rotund> Some crappy MS acronym
[07:33] <fangorious> speedy2782, try browsing "network:///" in nautilus (Places->Network Servers)
[07:33] <ells> tritum: just kidding my friend
[07:33] <speedy2782> When I go /places/networking/windownetwork/ my linux box is all that shows up
[07:33] <tritium> I know, thanks ells :)
[07:34] <rdw200169> sladen: what's up with usplash
[07:34] <speedy2782> the xp box doesn't show up
[07:34] <speedy2782> is there a way to direct search?
[07:34] <ells> tritium: I assume you will be having a big party
[07:34] <speedy2782> like //vioxx
[07:34] <fangorious> speedy2782, on the command line, run `nmblookup <xp_name>
[07:34] <tritium> ells, not sure yet.  My wife will probably do something.
[07:34] <tritium> You?
[07:34] <blahrus> on warty amd64 geting gtoaster to install?
[07:34] <ells> tritium: dad is coming and two of my three brothers
[07:34] <tritium> cool
[07:34] <speedy2782> querying VIOXX on 192.168.1.255
[07:34] <speedy2782> 192.168.1.111 VIOXX<00>
[07:35] <ells> tritium: go out after the grad, shoot pool do dinner
[07:35] <speedy2782> now how would I connect to that?
[07:35] <mebaran151> I installed the free java pkg
[07:35] <fangorious> speedy2782, you can get name resolution by installing winbind (sudo apt-get install winbind) and then putting "wins" in the host line of /etc/nsswitch.conf (so you could then run 'ping vioxx')
[07:35] <tritium> ells, very nice
[07:35] <mebaran151> the free-java-sdk
[07:35] <mebaran151> but now whenever I open a java webpage
[07:35] <mebaran151> firefox totally freezes
[07:35] <ells> tritium: My pops will be here later tomorrow night
[07:35] <mebaran151> and refuses to restart
[07:36] <tritium> ells, awesome :)
[07:36] <fangorious> speedy2782, so the samba libraries are able to find the machine if nmblookup worked. in nautilus, put 'smb://vioxx' in the location
[07:36] <ells> tritium: still trying to find an app or way to compress video, dvd shrink wont work for me
[07:36] <mebaran151> anyone got any ideas?
[07:36] <mebaran151> ells, try mencode
[07:36] <mebaran151> not technically legal
[07:36] <mebaran151> but you can rip all your vids in DivX
[07:37] <ells> tritium: you know what is funny, I am now more comforatable with linux than windows
[07:37] <mebaran151> ells, me too really
[07:37] <ells> mebaran, mencode
[07:37] <tritium> ells, that's good.
[07:37] <speedy2782> fangorious: I am not really sure what nautilus is
[07:37] <tritium> ells, did you try dvdrip?
[07:37] <ells> membran:tritium: yeah, funny how that has happened
[07:37] <speedy2782> or how to pull it up
[07:37] <fangorious> speedy2782, the file browser. Places->Desktop will open a nautilus window
[07:37] <ells> tritium; tried acidrip
[07:37] <tritium> ells, try dvdrip
[07:38] <mebaran151> ells, what are you trying to do
[07:38] <ells> tritium: i could make avi, but very choppy
[07:38] <ells> mebaran151, copy my dvds
[07:38] <mebaran151> oh
[07:38] <mebaran151> heheh
[07:38] <mebaran151> mencode might not be the easiest way
[07:38] <mebaran151> ells
[07:38] <mebaran151> if you are willing to be a little adventurous
[07:38] <mebaran151> try dd'ing it
[07:38] <ells> tritium: I used it before, but it made vobs, and could not get them to encode
[07:38] <mebaran151> to your system
[07:38] <tritium> ok
[07:38] <ells> mebaran151, what is that
[07:38] <mebaran151> and then compresssing that image
[07:39] <mebaran151> dd is a command line tool
[07:39] <ells> okay
[07:39] <mebaran151> just makes a raw copy of whatever you throw at it
[07:39] <mebaran151> then mount it
[07:39] <ells> mebaran151, what is the command
[07:39] <mebaran151> dd if=/dev/dvd of=/home/whereyouwantit
[07:39] <mebaran151> I think
[07:39] <ells> mebaran, okay
[07:40] <blahrus> anyone with suggest on cdrdao and amd64?
[07:40] <ells> mebaran, so do that from dvd to hard drive
[07:40] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:40] <mebaran151> you will get an image
[07:40] <ells> mebaran, okay
[07:40] <mebaran151> that we just mount the image with whatever file system it was
[07:40] <ells> mebran151, how to compress
[07:40] <mebaran151> hmm
[07:41] <ells> mebaran151, cant I just do dvdbackup
[07:41] <mebaran151> ells, yeah
[07:41] <mebaran151> you probably could
[07:41] <mebaran151> I dont know dvdbackup
[07:41] <ells> mebaran151, need to find a way to compress the image
[07:41] <mebaran151> the problem would be mounting them like a normal disk
[07:41] <ells> mebaran151, dvdbackup is a good tool
[07:41] <ells> mebaran151, used it before
[07:42] <nis> Is there a way to prep a FAT-32 filesystem under Win-XP and use Loadlin.exe to boot Linux from an XP machine without resorting to a full ISO burn?  I'm very used to doing this sort of thing in pre-Win-98 systems, but I'm not up to date on XP or NTFS (or FAT-32 for that matter).  Used laptop sold w/ an XP-install disk.  I've done the repartitioning and am installing XP now (just about finished).
[07:42] <mebaran151> what is on the DVD
[07:42] <ells> mebaran151, need to compress to put on a 4.7g dvd
[07:42] <ells> movie
[07:42] <mebaran151> movie
[07:42] <ells> movie
[07:42] <mebaran151> it is just mpeg2
[07:42] <ells> mebran151: sure it is
[07:42] <ells> i think
[07:42] <mebaran151> so you could probably copy it to like cramfs or one of those other kind of filesystems
[07:42] <mebaran151> that have compress built in
[07:43] <ells> mebaran151: what is cramfs
[07:43] <mebaran151> like make it on a compressed fs
[07:43] <mebaran151> cramfs is one of those weird esoteric filesystmes
[07:43] <ells> mebran151: really
[07:43] <nis> If I succeed it means my brother gets to try Ubuntu.
[07:43] <mebaran151> I think the initrd is made under cramfs
[07:43] <ells> mebaran151: okay
[07:44] <mebaran151> what does nautilus show
[07:44] <mebaran151> anyway
[07:44] <mebaran151> when you put a DVD in
[07:44] <mebaran151> maybe you can just copy the file
[07:44] <ells> aw, will check, hold one
[07:44] <mebaran151> and rar it
[07:44] <mebaran151> or bzip2 it or something
[07:44] <ells> mebaran151, tried copy before, but to large
[07:44] <ells> for 4.7 gig dvd
[07:44] <mebaran151> oh you hit the large factor
[07:44] <mebaran151> I have copied those before
[07:44] <mebaran151> you just should do it from the command line
[07:45] <ells> how is that
[07:45] <mebaran151> I think it is mountable
[07:45] <geneo93> crimsun:  do you speak chinese
[07:45] <mebaran151> the command would be cp /moutpointofdvd /dest
[07:45] <ells> okay
[07:45] <crimsun> geneo93: shu
[07:46] <ells> will that take care of the size factor
[07:46] <mebaran151> getting out a dvd
[07:46] <mebaran151> cp is better than nautilus
[07:46] <mebaran151> I dont think it has that limit
[07:46] <syn-ack> Hi.
[07:46] <ells> okay
[07:46] <ells> mebaran151 , will is squeeze the movie on the dvd
[07:46] <geneo93> well i have a project for file sharing uses qt and i wonder if you could translate some stuff crimsun
[07:47] <crimsun> geneo93: there's a ZH team starting up
[07:47] <mebaran151> ells
[07:47] <mebaran151> trying mencoder
[07:47] <ells> okay
[07:47] <mebaran151> I think you just would have to play it with mplaer
[07:47] <Monni> geneo93: tzau an
[07:47] <mebaran151> mplayer
[07:47] <mebaran151> as you probably need libdvdcss2
[07:48] <ells> mebaran151; got it
[07:48] <mebaran151> odds are the dvd is copyprotected
[07:48] <ells> mebaran151: definately
[07:48] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:48] <crimsun> geneo93: will be more expedient to contact them
[07:48] <mebaran151> so just add the mallirat repos
[07:48] <ells> got it
[07:48] <geneo93> crimsun:  talk to this guy Monni
[07:48] <mebaran151> even though they are technically not too legal
[07:48] <mebaran151> oh you have
[07:48] <mebaran151> cool
[07:48] <ells> yeah
[07:48] <mebaran151> how did you get it
[07:49] <ells> marillat
[07:49] <mebaran151> no I mean did you solve your problem now?
[07:49] <ells> not yet
[07:49] <ells> dvd shrink in wine suppposedly works
[07:49] <ells> mebaran151 ;but not for me
[07:49] <geneo93> Monni:  what version you have i have 122 build 3 i think
[07:50] <xbaez> hi
[07:50] <xbaez> someone know about problem when xmms play an mp3 ?
[07:50] <Monni> geneo93: 1.2.3 build 2 I guess
[07:50] <mebaran151> xbaez I think we have a wiki on it
[07:50] <geneo93> ok not sure bad memory
[07:50] <mebaran151> just search synaptic for mp3
[07:50] <Rotund> xbaez: You using warty or hoary?
[07:51] <mebaran151> and you will find like xmms-mp3 or something like that
[07:51] <mebaran151> install it and you are good to go
[07:51] <Monni> geneo93: I updated the cvs yesterday... didn't bump the build number yet...
[07:51] <Rotund> xmms-mad
[07:51] <geneo93> and i'm not running my scsi tower atm so i cant check
[07:51] <xbaez> Rotund, hoary
[07:51] <Rotund> get xmms-mad
[07:51] <Rotund> it's in universe I believe
[07:51] <wiBo> ubuntu sucks :)
[07:51] <Monni> geneo93: I disconnected my lvd box too... have to get 12/5 v external power supply for it... and maybe a little metallic case ;)
[07:52] <Rotund> wiBo: why?
[07:52] <Monni> geneo93: my Ubuntu install was on the lvd box so I might temporarily connect it again if I need to play with it...
[07:52] <geneo93> ah i just put all mine in a mid tower case Monni
[07:53] <Monni> geneo93: mine is few mm too small ;)
[07:53] <Rotund> HyperSpace Delivery Boy rules, BTW.  I recommend it for all
[07:53] <wiBo> Rotund, isn't true :) but i had some problems with GRUB but i switch it for lilo ;) Also, i would like to use fluxbox, not gnome .........
[07:53] <geneo93> oh i took the drives out and bought a 9 connector cable
[07:54] <Rotund> ooooh.  Flubuntu
[07:54] <wiBo> Rotund,  lol
[07:54] <Monni> geneo93: my drives have non-standard connection because of the own controller board...
[07:54] <geneo93> ahh maybe 80 pin drives
[07:54] <wiBo> Rotund, because if i do a apt-get remove gnome, did i'll lost all my packets for gnome? Like libs?
[07:55] <Monni> geneo93: the drives have no power connector at all... everything is in one connector...
[07:55] <wiBo> Rotund, in the to-do list for ubuntu: We can could choose which packages to install..
[07:55] <geneo93> 50 68 and 80
[07:55] <geneo93> yes i know of then Monni
[07:55] <Monni> geneo93: I could easily unplug one drive and check the model...
[07:56] <geneo93> seagate maybe
[07:56] <wilbertoki> what do you guys think about using ubuntu livecd as a secure environment for online banking?
[07:56] <Monni> geneo93: I think Fujitsu
[07:57] <geneo93> all my compaq drives in my server are seagate but have compaq name on them
[07:57] <Monni> geneo93: Fujitsu MAB3091SC
[07:58] <geneo93> looking now
[07:58] <drummer87> what should my thumb drive mount under if not /dev/sda (that's my sata).. /dev/sdb? (it doesn't automount so i want to add it to fstab)
[07:59] <xbaez> Rotund, i had already download xmms-mad and not work yet
[08:00] <geneo93> xbaez:  try man xmms  may shed some lite on it
[08:01] <geneo93> Monni:  beshare never had this many users
[08:01] <geneo93> at one time that is
[08:01] <Monni> geneo93: I think 100 was near maximum...
[08:01] <mebaran151> i got java diffies
[08:02] <geneo93> well i remember in 2001 maybe 150
[08:02] <Monni> geneo93: Well... I started early 2002... So I wouldn't know about that time...
[08:03] <geneo93> just before the crash
[08:03] <Myrtti> whaa
[08:03] <Monni> geneo93: I don't remember much of the time when BeGirl had server and nothing about Ben's server...
[08:03] <geneo93> ahh ic
[08:04] <geneo93> hey Monni you can buy them drives here for 5.95 hehe
[08:04] <underlord> i have an ibm ps2 mouse that has a thumb stick thingy instead of a wheel, looks like its 2 dimentional, it seems to work as a 1d wheel, although it has on/off instead of variable sensitivity, but that may be a hardware limitation, does anyone know how i can get the other axis operating? im in hoary
[08:05] <Monni> geneo93: Well... PayPal still don't accept my credit card...
[08:05] <geneo93> oh really
[08:05] <Monni> geneo93: I only need 1 more drive or another controller unit...
[08:06] <geneo93> oh it took me to suns site
[08:06] <Monni> geneo93: And it would be pretty hilarious if 9.1 GB drives would cost a fortune ;)
[08:06] <Myrtti> oh
[08:07] <chuna> Hi, How easy is it to install Java on AMD 64 machine with Hoary?
[08:07] <jsgotangco> hello
[08:07] <xbaez> mebaran151, where can i find the wiki about xmms ?
[08:07] <chuna> I am a newbie
[08:07] <geneo93> Monni:  i remember when 4.3 were 300 dollars and hotplug shoe's were 150
[08:08] <Monni> geneo93: Well... You're a lot older than me...
[08:08] <geneo93> Monni:  it shows 80 pin connector
[08:08] <mebaran151> oh
[08:08] <mebaran151> just do a search for it
[08:09] <mebaran151> I am using the java sdk on AMD64
[08:09] <Monni> geneo93: could be... I would need magnifying glass to count the pins...
[08:09] <mebaran151> and whenever I load a java class applet
[08:09] <mebaran151> firefox freezes
[08:09] <chuna> Or is it the same when installing with i386?
[08:09] <mebaran151> anybody know what to
[08:09] <mebaran151> Monni, 80 pins is IDE
[08:09] <Monni> mebaran151: 40 pins = IDE ;)
[08:10] <mebaran151> oh
[08:10] <geneo93> mebaran151:  no its not
[08:10] <mebaran151> whoops
[08:10] <mebaran151> sorry
[08:10] <mebaran151> that was my bad
[08:10] <Monni> mebaran151: LOL
[08:10] <mebaran151> two IDE is IDE
[08:10] <geneo93> 80 wire is ide
[08:10] <mebaran151> I mean two IDE is 80 pins
[08:10] <Monni> mebaran151: Unless it's Siamese IDE ;)
[08:10] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:10] <mebaran151> Monni got what I was saying
[08:10] <mebaran151> who DOESNT use siamese IDE
[08:11] <mebaran151> them Thai make good noodles
[08:11] <Monni> mebaran151: Hmmm... Maybe because my chingoo is 1/4 Chinese ;) A lot of Chinese jokes ;)
[08:11] <mebaran151> (I hope no one was insulted, if so I apologize.)
[08:11] <UnbuntuBaby> does anyone here know how to configure a network using just Terminal?
[08:11] <geneo93> Monni:  i have to d/l a pdf for it
[08:11] <mebaran151> Ubuntu
[08:11] <mebaran151> how much needs to be configured
[08:11] <mebaran151> I've done it
[08:11] <mebaran151> it isnt very much fun
[08:11] <mebaran151> Gnome makes it easy
[08:12] <Monni> geneo93: lol... better code integrated PDF viewer for Unizone then ;)
[08:12] <mebaran151> do you need to bring etho into existence or just up
[08:12] <UnbuntuBaby> YES
[08:12] <UnbuntuBaby> i broght it up, but it doesnt seem to be in existence though :P
[08:12] <geneo93> http://sunsolve.sun.com/data/805/805-3935/pdf/ here
[08:13] <UnbuntuBaby> ive gone into System tools > Network tools and tried clicking configure
[08:13] <UnbuntuBaby> done that, then it tells me the following:
[08:14] <UnbuntuBaby> The Interface "eth0" doesn't exist
[08:14] <fangorious> anyone here using a custom DSDT in the initrd image?
[08:14] <geneo93> Monni:  so the power comes off the board
[08:15] <Monni> geneo93: yeah... 1 standard power connector in the board
[08:16] <geneo93> hmm wonder if you cale them off board
[08:16] <mebaran151> UbuntuBaby
[08:16] <geneo93> s/cale/cable
[08:16] <UnbuntuBaby> yes...?
[08:16] <mebaran151> well can hotplug get it
[08:16] <mebaran151> hotplug is the hardware detection in ubuntu
[08:17] <mebaran151> does it find it
[08:17] <Monni> geneo93: I was thinking nicking power supply from old external cd burner... maybe it can handle the load...
[08:17] <mebaran151> you should automatically get eth0 or eth1
[08:17] <UnbuntuBaby> im passed that, hot plug wasnt the issue, akk helped me out so much that he figured out that hotplug neither the netowork drivers werent the issue.
[08:17] <geneo93> well it takes 2.1 amp for spinup Monni
[08:17] <mebaran151> so you arent getting etho0
[08:17] <mebaran151> at all
[08:18] <mebaran151> what happens when you do ifup eth0
[08:18] <UnbuntuBaby> My machine can detect that my PCMCIA card is an ethernet card and can detect its MAC addrress
[08:18] <mebaran151> ahhh
[08:18] <UnbuntuBaby> but it just cant detect the exact name of the device unfortunately.
[08:18] <Monni> geneo93: I have to see if I can find working power supply at work... we have lots of old stuff there...
[08:18] <geneo93> 50 watts or there abouts
[08:18] <mebaran151> it might not get called eth then
[08:18] <geneo93> at would work
[08:18] <mebaran151> it might have accidently got filed somewhere else
[08:18] <UnbuntuBaby> membarran, using some terminal code he helped me to get it ti UP an IP addressof my choosing...
[08:18] <UnbuntuBaby> ...only thing is though now...
[08:19] <geneo93> Monni:  i have at psu in mine
[08:19] <mebaran151> dhcp
[08:19] <mebaran151> right
[08:19] <mebaran151> all about the dhcp
[08:19] <mebaran151> what terminal code did he use
[08:19] <mebaran151> past in /flood
[08:19] <mebaran151> I want to see where it comes in
[08:19] <mebaran151> join /fllood
[08:20] <Monni> geneo93: it's just that regulat at power supply has ugly power button... I want one that has power button in the psu itself and not hanging from a long cable...
[08:20] <mebaran151> whoopsees
[08:20] <mebaran151> I mean
[08:20] <UnbuntuBaby> when i go to Applications >System Tools > Network tools
[08:20] <mebaran151>  /join #flood
[08:20] <UnbuntuBaby> membaran: my network is configured manually, not with DHCP
[08:20] <geneo93> Monni:  i just stuck the cable and switch out the front nothing pretty
[08:21] <UnbuntuBaby> anyway when i go to Applications >System Tools > Network tools and when i try to configure eth0 using the Devices section (entered password) it tells me eth0 des not exist (?!)
[08:21] <AcidWolf> im running Hoary PPC does anyone know where i can get the win32codecs
[08:21] <rempresent> if i made my second hard drive just for storage what is the filesystem type that i want to use for it
[08:21] <Monni> geneo93: Well... I have too much stuff here to waste space with extra cables...
[08:22] <Rotund> AcidWolf: I don't think you can use them on PPC
[08:22] <geneo93> Monni:  can you strip out the inside of a desktop unit and use that
[08:22] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[08:22] <Rotund> You'd need to wrap it w/ some x86 CPU emulator + a wine layer... ouch
[08:22] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[08:23] <Monni> geneo93: huh...
[08:23] <geneo93> low profile desktop used to sit under mintor
[08:23] <geneo93> monitor
[08:24] <Monni> geneo93: ummm... haven't seen them in a long long time...
[08:24] <geneo93> hehe i have one here
[08:24] <geneo93> 200mhz
[08:25] <Monni> geneo93: Well... I have too much stuff at work... two containers full of computer stuff... longer one is 12 m long...
[08:25] <geneo93> well i'm sure you could find something
[08:25] <Monni> geneo93: well... I have to wait until I'm back at work and ask keys from my old boss...
[08:26] <AcidWolf> i was able to play wmv files in Warty but now that im on Hoary wmv doesnt work so i was thinking perhaps id have to find the codecs myself
[08:26] <geneo93> ahh ok
[08:26] <geneo93> win32 codecs
[08:26] <AcidWolf> yes
[08:26] <AcidWolf> i cant find them
[08:27] <AcidWolf> ive googled for hours and havent been able to find anything on Ubuntu however there is apparently a .deb out there somewhere but i cant find it :(
[08:27] <geneo93> apt-get install win32 codecs or something close to that
[08:27] <elmaya> codecs for mplayer?
[08:27] <Myrtti> AcidWolf: you need to fix  more repositories in your sources.list
[08:27] <elmaya> or what
[08:28] <AcidWolf> ok
[08:28] <Myrtti> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:28] <deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:28] <chavo> AcidWolf,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:28] <deFrysk> tsss
[08:28] <AcidWolf> ty
[08:28] <chavo> damn too slow again !
[08:28] <deFrysk> thank god I was first
[08:28] <geneo93> hows that for answers
[08:28] <chavo> you are da man
[08:28] <deFrysk> :D
[08:28] <deFrysk> \o/
[08:28] <rdw200169> you can find codecs at mplayer website
[08:28] <geneo93> everyone must be bored silly
[08:29] <deFrysk> get the marrillat rope
[08:29] <deFrysk> in hoary not crimsun
[08:29] <deFrysk> in wrty also crimson
[08:29] <hayden> is it possible to add another montior to my kubuntu desktop like you can witht the ati drivers in windows?
[08:32] <Zugot> kk
[08:33] <mebaran151> hayden, I think sos
[08:35] <geneo93> Monni:  i'm still digging around looking for more info on them drives
[08:40] <geneo93> Monni:  go here  http://www.fel.fujitsu.com/home/v3__product.asp?pid=93&inf=doc&wg=0
[08:40] <tritium> hayden, it can be done with nvidia, so I'm sure it can with ati also
[08:42] <hayden> ok
[08:42] <hayden> i've found an article on the wiki
[08:42] <hayden> it is for nvidia
[08:43] <drummer87> someone pls help, i can't mount my thumb drive and it doesn't automount (except if in while booting)
[08:43] <drummer87> error says /dev/sdb does not exist
[08:43] <zenrox> drummer87,  try adding a 1 to /dev/sdb1
[08:49] <Get> I'm trying to install beagle, I've started the deamon, but when I search for example on files, it doesn't find anything,  why?
[08:49] <Harlin> hello
[08:49] <Harlin> anyone use ubuntu here?
[08:49] <siimo> lol
[08:49] <geneo93> well yes
[08:49] <siimo> Harlin, how about everyone ?
[08:49] <Harlin> cant get it to see my cdrom
[08:49] <Roey> hi!
[08:49] <Harlin> i dont
[08:49] <Harlin> so far
[08:49] <Harlin> cant get it to install
[08:49] <chavo> ubuntu?
[08:49] <Harlin> keep getting freeze on boot
[08:49] <chavo> I'm a kubuntu man myself.
[08:49] <drummer87> zenrox, same error.. i also lookin through /dev and sdb, sdb1 .. sdbx aren't there
[08:49] <Roey> in compiling wacom module (it's in ubuntu universe) I get this error after configuring it to --enable-hid:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/20pSrR22.html
[08:50] <mebaran151> kubuntu looks awesome
[08:50] <Roey> that's because kde is awesomer than gnome.
[08:50] <mebaran151> does anyone know how to export my evoultion addressbook
[08:50] <Harlin> kubuntu is a nice web browser
[08:50] <hayden> its not a web browser
[08:50] <Harlin> its not?
[08:50] <zenrox> drummer87, reboot with it it and find out what /dev/sdbx is
[08:50] <geneo93> no its an os
[08:50] <mebaran151> also convert my contacts to LDAP
[08:50] <Harlin> an os?
[08:50] <mebaran151> or something
[08:51] <mebaran151> Harlin, operating system
[08:51] <Harlin> anyways... anyone help me unfreeze my boot
[08:51] <Harlin> ??
[08:51] <geneo93> yes
[08:51] <mebaran151> you probably meant konqueror
[08:51] <Harlin> konqueror?
[08:51] <Harlin> no
[08:51] <Harlin> that's something else
[08:51] <siimo> Harlin, its a kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE desktop environment look at www.kde.org
[08:51] <Harlin> sure
[08:51] <Myrtti> see, now I'm going to be the fastest saying the URL to restricted formats
[08:51] <geneo93> pretty big web browser
[08:51] <Harlin> whatever you say... anyone can help with me frozen boot?
[08:52] <Myrtti> all I have to say is "RF" without the quotes
[08:52] <Myrtti> and presto
[08:52] <Myrtti> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:52] <Harlin> hello
[08:52] <Harlin> i have frozen boot uup
[08:52] <geneo93> how do you know someone dont have it setup for one key
[08:52] <Harlin> it wont start
[08:53] <chavo> ha two keys!
[08:53] <Harlin> i get a bunch of zeros and then something that says faults
[08:53] <mebaran151> ah
[08:53] <zenrox> Harlin,  you have faulty hardware
[08:53] <mebaran151> well you are royally screwed
[08:53] <Harlin> zenrox, no no no
[08:53] <mebaran151> as either you got a bad install
[08:53] <Harlin> hardware is good
[08:53] <zenrox> or bad ram
[08:53] <chavo> could be a bad disc
[08:53] <mebaran151> or your hardware is messed up
[08:53] <mebaran151> probably a bad disc
[08:53] <zenrox> mebaran151,  is right
[08:53] <Harlin> no... i have xp are run on its
[08:54] <Harlin> and
[08:54] <geneo93> Harlin:  then your crom aint one secondary master
[08:54] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:54] <Harlin> did have mandrake too
[08:54] <mebaran151> you got a bad a install
[08:54] <zenrox> xp is more forgiving in faulty hardware
[08:54] <mebaran151> sometimes you get a bad burn
[08:54] <Harlin> you say xp is better?
[08:54] <mebaran151> and unfortuantely what got badly burned
[08:54] <zenrox> no
[08:54] <mebaran151> was grub
[08:54] <mebaran151> or something
[08:54] <Harlin> no md5sum chekc ed out
[08:54] <mebaran151> and when that happens
[08:54] <mebaran151> you get huge problems
[08:54] <Harlin> it say zeros and then it
[08:54] <mebaran151> gnome wouldn't show color for me for the longest time
[08:54] <zenrox> Harlin,  try burning the cd slower
[08:54] <Harlin> says zeros some more
[08:55] <Harlin> then
[08:55] <mebaran151> so it is 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[08:55] <Harlin> it say load up usb
[08:55] <mebaran151> and then
[08:55] <mebaran151> segfault
[08:55] <Harlin> yes
[08:55] <Harlin> no
[08:55] <Harlin> it then says
[08:55] <Harlin> segmentation fault
[08:55] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:55] <mebaran151> segmentation fault
[08:55] <Myrtti> segfault, that is
[08:55] <Harlin> no
[08:55] <Harlin> it says segmentation fault
[08:55] <Harlin> theres a differnce
[08:55] <mebaran151> segfault is sorthand for it
[08:55] <Myrtti> SEGmentation FAULT
[08:55] <siimo> Harlin, what program
[08:56] <Harlin> oh sorry
[08:56] <geneo93> segfault is short for that
[08:56] <zenrox> segfault =segmentaion faulet just shortened
[08:56] <siimo> tried apt-get upgrading ?
[08:56] <Harlin> englich not so wel
[08:56] <mebaran151> np
[08:56] <mebaran151> you got a bad burn
[08:56] <mebaran151> looks like grub is fsked
[08:56] <Harlin> no
[08:56] <Harlin> grub booot to inits
[08:56] <mebaran151> ok
[08:56] <Harlin> like it shold
[08:57] <geneo93> cdrom is usb drive
[08:57] <mebaran151> looks like init is fsked
[08:57] <mebaran151> a segfault occurs
[08:57] <mebaran151> when a binary program runs
[08:57] <Harlin> je
[08:57] <mebaran151> that didnt compile right
[08:57] <Harlin> ok
[08:57] <mebaran151> and then it tries to do something
[08:57] <mebaran151> it cant do
[08:57] <mebaran151> normally the kernel watches for this
[08:57] <mebaran151> and kills the program before it destroys everything
[08:57] <mebaran151> but in boot
[08:57] <mebaran151> the kernel hasnt loaded
[08:57] <Harlin> so shood i take out of this all of myy usb devises?
[08:58] <mebaran151> or the module is one really far in
[08:58] <mebaran151> nah
[08:58] <siimo> cya all
[08:58] <mebaran151> it shouldnt happen
[08:58] <mebaran151> reburn it
[08:58] <Harlin> what should i do width them?
[08:58] <drummer87> zenrox, didn't even mount during boot that time
[08:58] <Harlin> is ubuuntoo lkke a debiane install?
[08:58] <Harlin> sry
[08:58] <mebaran151> yeah it is
[08:58] <Harlin> bad spelling
[08:59] <Harlin> hmmmm
[08:59] <dumbhack> gcc works fine, but I don't have "sockets.h" on my system.  Which package do I have to get to have sockets.h?
[08:59] <mebaran151> except a tad easier
[08:59] <geneo93> simple debian install
[08:59] <Harlin> i had the same proglems with my debian too
[08:59] <zenrox> drummer87,  hmmm dont know
[08:59] <mebaran151> dumbhack, and you want to use sockets
[08:59] <mebaran151> tsk tsk tsk
[08:59] <Harlin> but mandrake runsit good outta the box
[08:59] <zenrox> hang out and ask agine lator
[08:59] <mebaran151> I think it is a libc6
[08:59] <mebaran151> but I wouldnt know
[08:59] <mebaran151> i like python
[08:59] <Harlin> anyone here know how to do intercal programming?
[09:00] <mebaran151> intercal
[09:00] <drummer87> would dmesg output help?
[09:00] <mebaran151> is what
[09:00] <Harlin> maybe you peeple domnt know programming here
[09:00] <Harlin> thats ok
[09:00] <Harlin> i need to go to the right room for that
[09:00] <geneo93> Harlin:  where is the cdrom on ide controler
[09:01] <zenrox> tolate
[09:01] <dumbhack> mebaran151: I've already got libc6.  It doesn't seem to be in it.
[09:01] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:01] <mebaran151> do you have the dev
[09:01] <mebaran151> if you are working with sockets I shoudl hope you would
[09:01] <mebaran151> libc6-dev
[09:01] <dumbhack> mebaran151: yes.  I do.
[09:02] <calc> hayden: intercal seems to be too old for anyone to likely know about it in here
[09:02] <mebaran151> what kind of socks are these
[09:02] <mebaran151> it might be part of glibc-dev
[09:02] <geneo93> hey hes an old duffer like me
[09:03] <zenrox> lol
[09:06] <Unipa1> hello, I need help to install haory on my amd 64
[09:07] <chuna> Unipal I just did that and it went smoothly
[09:08] <chuna> what help do you need?
[09:08] <Unipa1> chuna, i get the message: unable to install initrd tools
[09:09] <chuna> when do you get this message?
[09:10] <Unipa1> during install of the base system. I use the amd64 install cd
[09:10] <zenrox> Unipa1,  try burning the cd slower
[09:11] <Unipa1> I checked the MD5 checksum of the image. it seems ok. Why burning the cd again?
[09:12] <geneo93> burn at 4x or 8x
[09:12] <zenrox> some time a file get crupted if you burn too fast
[09:12] <jbailey> calc: You callin' me old?
[09:12] <zenrox> and initrd toolds was the one that it crupted
[09:12] <calc> jbailey: hahaha
[09:13] <crimsun> jbailey only has a few dozen grey hairs :p
[09:13] <Unipa1> ok, I'll burn it again on slower speed
[09:13] <geneo93> crimsun:  hows the guy i should talk with
[09:13] <Unipa1> I get back to you, thanks.
[09:13] <crimsun> geneo93: hi
[09:13] <geneo93> who
[09:14] <Roey> crimsun:  you're in demand dude
[09:14] <jbailey> crimsun: True.  My wife pokes fun at me about them occasionally. =)
[09:14] <crimsun> geneo93: eric someone-or-another
[09:14] <crimsun> jbailey: =)
[09:14] <calc> jbailey: do you use another secret nick in #d-d?
[09:14] <calc> jbailey: or were you referring to intercal?
[09:14] <geneo93> is he on devel channel
[09:14] <jbailey> calc: Nope.  I was refering to intercal.
[09:14] <calc> ah ok
[09:14] <jbailey> Did I miss something good in there?
[09:14] <calc> we were discussing how debian's average age was going down
[09:14] <jbailey> Ah. =)
[09:14] <calc> and that anyone over 30 was old
[09:14] <mebaran151> I'm 2
[09:15] <jbailey> I think Free Software development is generally done on the backs of university students.
[09:15] <geneo93> i'm over 50
[09:15] <zenrox> then i dont qualifie for being old but i am close
[09:16] <geneo93> closer to 60
[09:16] <zenrox> i am 26
[09:16] <syn-ack> jbailey: I think you're wrong.
[09:16] <geneo93> puppy
[09:16] <zenrox> lol
[09:16] <zenrox> ya but i feel really old
[09:17] <syn-ack> "on the backs" sounds like they're forced to do it.
[09:17] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vH9gKH96.html
[09:17] <RedFox> hmmm
[09:17] <Roey> can anyone help me with the problem described there?
[09:17] <zenrox> my joints are all screwey
[09:17] <syn-ack> zenrox: So are mine. I can't roll worth a shit.
[09:17] <geneo93> zenrox:  take out the screws
[09:17] <zenrox> syn-ack,  that ant a prob if you use a pipe
[09:17] <syn-ack> ;)
[09:18] <e_machinist> How is everyone?
[09:18] <zenrox> geneo93, i got a pinced nerve in my lowerback allready
[09:18] <e_machinist> A pinced nerve? ouch.
[09:18] <Roey> e_machinist:  booooo
[09:18] <Roey> *pinched
[09:18] <e_machinist> what?
[09:18] <zenrox> ya
[09:18] <zenrox> i never said i could spell
[09:18] <Roey> e_machinist:  I'm experiencing a problem described here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vH9gKH96.html
[09:19] <geneo93> oh man your in big trouble then when you get my age
[09:19] <zenrox> and specly when in pain
[09:19] <Roey> *especially
[09:19] <zenrox> geneo93,  i know
[09:19] <e_machinist> Roey, why did you boooo me?
[09:19] <zenrox> Roey,  quit it
[09:19] <geneo93> zenrox:  i just have memory problems
[09:19] <zenrox> geneo93,  what did you forget today??
[09:20] <zenrox> lol
[09:20] <geneo93> lots
[09:20] <zenrox> kinda like the win slogan whare do you want to go toady??
[09:20] <geneo93> commands to do search and a few others
[09:20] <zenrox> lol
[09:21] <Roey> e_machinist:  I did't boo you
[09:21] <Roey> e_machinist:  *didn't
[09:21] <Roey> e_machinist:  boo'd the fact that it isn't going well for me with ubunu
[09:21] <e_machinist> Ah.. I see.
[09:21] <Roey> *ubuntu
[09:21] <geneo93> forgot what i went to get in kitchen many tomes
[09:21] <Cred> Hello. Yesterday Rhythmbox worked fine now it says "Could not open resource for writing". I had some problems with audio yesterday..
[09:21] <e_machinist> What problem are you having with the sacred Ubuntu Roey?
[09:22] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vH9gKH96.html
[09:22] <zenrox> ya i allready have a hard time walking ( i love walken) if i walk to fast and down hill i fall face first and limp the rest the way to whare i am going
[09:23] <geneo93> zenrox:  i got that problem fixed now its just my brain needs fixing
[09:23] <e_machinist> You having problems with a wacom tablet?
[09:23] <mebaran151> my Java classes kill small animals
[09:23] <mebaran151> Firefox freezes whenever Java comes its way
[09:23] <Roey> e_machinist:  YES
[09:23] <Roey> e_machinist:  having problems compiling the 0.6.6 wacom module for kernel 2.6.10
[09:23] <zenrox> geneo93,  thay have pills for that now
[09:24] <zenrox> you just gota to rember to take them
[09:24] <zenrox> hahahahahhaha
[09:24] <e_machinist> Does wacom have official docs on that?
[09:24] <geneo93> hehe
[09:24] <Roey> e_machinist:  not wacom, but there is this guide on how to build it.  Of course, it doesn't address the error I linked to in there.
[09:25] <zenrox> Roey,  google that error
[09:25] <e_machinist> ahh, don't you hate that when you follow the directions down to a T and run into some unforseen problem?
[09:25] <Roey> e_machinist, zenrox:  http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/morehid
[09:26] <Roey> e_machinist, zenrox:  the wacom module provides replacements for hid/mousedev/evdev/usbmouse that are essential if you use a usb mouse.
[09:26] <geneo93> Roey:  do you have build esentual
[09:26] <e_machinist> Other than the wacom problem you are enjoying Ubuntu though right?
[09:26] <Roey> e_machinist, zenrox:  I get errors when I specify that the wacom hid replacement driver be built.
[09:26] <Roey> e_machinist:  oh there are other problems, too
[09:27] <Roey> e_machinist:  misisng packages
[09:27] <Roey> e_machinist:  weird startup issues that I have no idea why they are there
[09:28] <e_machinist> What are your startup issues?
[09:28] <e_machinist> The Hotplug problem?
[09:28] <Roey> e_machinist:  filesystem problem.
[09:28] <Roey> e_machinist:  here:
[09:28] <e_machinist> ...
[09:29] <Roey> e_machinist:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2qaAZM82.html
[09:29] <Roey> man
[09:29] <Roey> I *rape* rafb.net/paste
[09:29] <zenrox> e_machinist, you using a e-machine??
[09:29] <Roey> it's so useful.
[09:30] <zenrox> Roey,  yes it is
[09:30] <zenrox> very usefull
[09:30] <chuna> Ive installed Java in Hoary, but can someone tell me how to add the firefox plug in for Java?
[09:30] <zenrox> chuna,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for that info
[09:30] <chuna> Most of the turtorials are for Warty
[09:31] <chuna> ya ya I ve read all that
[09:31] <Mowa> hey google :)  http://www.playzero.com
[09:31] <zenrox> that part will still work for hoary
[09:31] <Roey> do NOT go there
[09:31] <chuna> Not very useful
[09:31] <Roey> someone kick mowa off freenode.
[09:31] <Wildthing> o
[09:31] <zenrox> chuna,  that part in the ubuntuguide will work for hoary
[09:32] <Wildthing> hello, i'm trying to install mplayer from source, but it does not detect esound...says esd-config isn't found...anyone have any ideas?
[09:32] <e_machinist> Roey, no, I'm not using an emachine. I build my compys.
[09:32] <e_machinist> AMD based solutions.
[09:32] <zenrox> Wildthing,  install the esd dev package
[09:32] <zenrox> e_machinist,  ok
[09:32] <chuna> yeah read that but Im using AMD64
[09:32] <zenrox> that technaly still should work chuna
[09:33] <chuna> oh
[09:33] <Wildthing> zenrox, is the package called libesd0-dev ?
[09:33] <zenrox> Wildthing,  yep
[09:33] <Wildthing> k
[09:33] <Wildthing> lemmie give it a try
[09:33] <chuna> u mean the i586 should also work for AMD64?
[09:33] <zenrox> change that to the amd64 ver
[09:33] <calc> amd64 systems can run pretty much any ia32 code as well
[09:34] <chuna> k will give that a shot. Thanks
[09:34] <calc> older amd64 chips can't run sse3 though
[09:34] <e_machinist> You would be missing out on the 64bit extentions.
[09:34] <zenrox> e_machinist,  asume he installed the 64bit ver of java
[09:34] <calc> amd64 port is faster due to having many more registers
[09:34] <Wildthing> zenrox, esd-config seems to be there now...let's see how mplayer goes :D
[09:34] <desplesda> i run i386 on an amd64 machine, what exactly am i missing out?
[09:34] <desplesda> increased speed?
[09:34] <desplesda> ninja power?
[09:34] <calc> desplesda: a lot of speed, yes
[09:34] <zenrox> ninja power
[09:35] <zenrox> lol
[09:35] <Wildthing> and now the 10 minute compile...
[09:35] <desplesda> ninja power is basically my computer has the ability to flip out
[09:35] <mebaran151> I find that running i386 on a AMD64 machine
[09:35] <zenrox> Wildthing,  lol
[09:35] <mebaran151> can lead to dizziness
[09:35] <mebaran151> chronic fatigue
[09:35] <mebaran151> and back pain
[09:35] <zenrox> and sore wrists
[09:35] <mebaran151> and small pigeons roosting in your floorboards
[09:35] <desplesda> mebaran151:  so THAT'S what that lump is
[09:36] <zenrox> hahahaha
[09:36] <mebaran151> them pigeons
[09:36] <mebaran151> you can debug 'em
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun:  yo
[09:36] <mebaran151> and I have an animal
[09:36] <crimsun> Roey: yo
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun:  have one tteeeeeeny tiny second?
[09:36] <mebaran151> everyone loves crimsun
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun:  notice this in the error output I presented:
[09:36] <mebaran151> we should do a group hi
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun:  /usr/bin/make -C /usr/src/linux M=/usr/src/modules/wacom/src/2.6.10
[09:36] <Roey> make[6] : Entering directory `/usr/local/src/linux-2.6.11.5'
[09:36] <mebaran151> hi crimsun
[09:36] <zenrox> hi crimsun
[09:36] <crimsun> Roey: k
[09:36] <zenrox> night crimsun
[09:36] <zenrox> lol
[09:36] <crimsun> night. =)
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun:  why is it looking at 2.6.10 and then 2.6.11.5??
[09:36] <zenrox> night all
[09:37] <Roey> zenrox:  gnight!
[09:37] <pinPoint> night!
[09:37] <Roey> crimsun:  I even changed /boot/vmlinuz to point to the right kernel!!!!
[09:37] <crimsun> Roey: it's best to rm /usr/src/linux
[09:37] <Roey> crimsun:  what do I need to redo?
[09:37] <Roey> er
[09:37] <crimsun> Roey: that symlink is wrecking havoc with the build script
[09:37] <Roey> /usr/src/linux is a symlink? let me check
[09:37] <crimsun> yes, when you pasted in #flood earlier...
[09:37] <Roey> aaaaah
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Roey: might I suggest you use different wording next time? There is a reason women have a hard time getting into computers, with talk like that
[09:38] <Roey> crimsun:  will it work without that file there?
[09:38] <Roey> Burgundavia:  to be honest I don't like using that word
[09:38] <Roey> Burgundavia:  you know.. I apologize...
[09:38] <crimsun> Roey: you should always explicitly tell the build script KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/  KVERS=$(uname -r)
[09:38] <Roey> Burgundavia:  because it's something that I don't do
[09:38] <Roey> Burgundavia:  and I tell other people what you told me
[09:38] <Roey> Burgundavia:  when I hear it.
[09:38] <Burgundavia> good
[09:38] <Wildthing> oh frick
[09:38] <Wildthing> i forgot libdvdcss
[09:39] <Roey> crimsun:  ok..
[09:39] <crimsun> out for a few hours, need some Z
[09:39] <crimsun> night *
[09:40] <e_machinist> hmmm.
[09:40] <Roey> crimsun:  it builds! it builds!
[09:40] <e_machinist> heh. Isn't building so much fun?
[09:41] <Roey> hmm
[09:41] <Roey> e_machinist:  what do you know about that problem I posted above
[09:41] <Roey> the filesystem one
[09:43] <Roey> OK, brb.
[09:43] <e_machinist> What was the exact error that it was reporting Roey?
[09:48] <czejen> hello, have ubuntu 5.04 is is stable for desktop?
[09:48] <Wildthing> zenrox, do you happen to know a remedy for "jerky" dvd playback?
[09:48] <Wildthing> err does anyone?
[09:48] <geneo93> enable dma
[09:49] <robitaille> czejen: quite stable...been using it as my main desktop for weeks.
[09:50] <Wildthing> geneo93, in /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[09:51] <geneo93> that will work
[09:51] <Wildthing> did you have another place in mind?
[09:51] <jroes> wow, Ubuntu is awesome
[09:51] <geneo93> well you could do it another way
[09:52] <jroes> robitaille: what makes it a preview rather than a stable release?
[09:52] <Wildthing> care to share? :D
[09:52] <geneo93> you'll have to reboot
[09:52] <Wildthing> that's fine
[09:52] <diana> Hi, I was wondering how I can set up my peap account for my wireless connection
[09:52] <eyequeue> jroes:  the calendar
[09:52] <diana> is there such thing as a GUi?
[09:52] <jroes> wow, well if that's it, then I guess I'll snatch it up :)
[09:53] <robitaille> jroes:  they are still updating packages daily in preparation for the final freeze before the release.
[09:53] <saik0> Hey if my windows partition is on /dev/hdc5 what do I point grub to?
[09:53] <eyequeue> jroes:  release date is april 6, changes can happen until then, but only security changes after then
[09:53] <geneo93> well run hdparm  on the dvd
[09:53] <diana> ....
[09:54] <saik0> rootnoverify (hd3,4) ??
[09:54] <Wildthing> will that set hdparm.conf?
[09:54] <eyequeue> diana:  you're in a gui
[09:54] <Roey> hi
[09:54] <diana> i know that
[09:54] <Roey> I get this when I try to compile the modules:
[09:54] <robitaille> saik0:  I think it will be (hd2,4)
[09:54] <Roey> *** WARNING:
[09:54] <Roey> *** Unable to compile wacom.o without kernel build environment
[09:54] <Roey> *** wacom.o will not be built
[09:54] <Roey> what is that all about???
[09:55] <diana> eyequeue,  I was wondering if there is a Gui interface for a peap client
[09:55] <eyequeue> diana:  then your question does not make sense
[09:55] <eyequeue> oh
[09:55] <diana> sorry about that'
[09:55] <saik0> robitaille, thanks
[09:55] <Roey> crimsun:  yo
[09:55] <Bazzi> Roey do you have the kernel build environment?
[09:55] <Roey> crimsun:  are you still here?
[09:56] <diana> anything better than xsupplicant out there?
[09:56] <Roey> Bazzi:  I thought so! I just compiled it a while ago... I rebooted, tried to compile again and now I get this!
[09:56] <abelli> does someone know what audio streaming app should i use for a  win media player client?
[09:56] <Roey> Bazzi:  i just had this compiling before I rebooted!
[09:56] <Bazzi> mmmh
[09:56] <Bazzi> weird
[09:56] <Roey> crimsun'd know surely....
[09:56] <Roey> :(
[09:56] <Roey> *just* missed him
[09:56] <Bazzi> you didnt save changes on shutting down?
[09:56] <Roey> which changes?
[09:56] <Bazzi> try to apt-get remove and apt-get install it again
[09:56] <robitaille> roey: crimsun said that he was going to bed for a few hours
[09:57] <Roey> d /usr/src/modules/wacom && fakeroot ./debian/rules kdist KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/
[09:57] <Bazzi> all changes :P
[09:57] <Roey> !!
[09:57] <diana_> anything better than xsupplicant out there?
[09:57] <Roey> it's 03:57 now
[09:57] <Roey> cd /usr/src/modules/wacom && fakeroot ./debian/rules kdist KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/
[09:57] <Roey> rather
[09:57] <saik0> robitaille, grub wont boot windows with it set as (2,4)
[09:57] <Roey> Bazzi:  the thing is that nothing in that kernel module source is being built!
[09:58] <Roey> Bazzi:  remove and reinstall the kernel headers you mean?
[09:58] <robitaille> 03:57 is  really relative...especially on the internet.... (it's 00:58 here)
[09:58] <Bazzi> I imagined that ;)
[09:58] <Roey> Bazzi:  what's the package name do you know?
[09:58] <Bazzi> build-essential linux-headers I think
[09:58] <MarsDude> hi all
[09:59] <Bazzi> and its 10am here so I'm pretty much awake
[09:59] <MarsDude> here it's 9:59 am :-)
[09:59] <eyequeue> it's 3 am here so i'm pretty much awake?
[09:59] <eyequeue> the only valid time online, imo, is utc
[09:59] <eyequeue> Sat Mar 26 08:59:57 UTC 2005
[10:00] <MarsDude> :-)
[10:00] <robitaille> it's now 01:00am....I'm going to bed
[10:00] <geneo93> 4 am here
[10:00] <eyequeue> geneo93:  glad to see there are other darkness-hours people :)
[10:00] <Jimbob> eyequeue: Actually, the only *useful* time online is UTC -- everything else is perfectly valid :-)
[10:01] <eyequeue> heh
[10:01] <MarsDude> anyway... I have a little question... Whereever I look on ubunto-related websites.. they all thell you how to add repositories... that's fine.. I understand that... BUT I never see explained which repository contains WHAT
[10:01] <MarsDude> what is different about universe, multivers, marillat etc
[10:02] <geneo93> eyequeue:  i used to update servers and workstations after everyone went home
[10:02] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  universe contains "that which isn't ubuntu" and multiverse contains that which would be in universe but is legally restricted
[10:02] <MarsDude> I thought that would be explained as one of the first things... or did i miss it?
[10:02] <MarsDude> eyequeue: thanx
[10:02] <eyequeue> hth
[10:03] <saik0> OK I have to ask again, If windows is on /dev/hda5 then I should point grub to (hd2,4) correct?
[10:03] <MarsDude> but... java isn't in multiverse right? looks like it would be in multiverse
[10:03] <eyequeue> saik0:  you are sure it's not 0,4 ?
[10:03] <MarsDude> and marillat is mentioned for multimedia
[10:03] <saik0> eyequeue, how would I tell?
[10:03] <MarsDude> which is restricted for some codecs etc
[10:04] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  ubuntuguide tells you how to get java, but you are correct on both counts (though "kaffe" is around somewhere, heh)
[10:04] <Jimbob> saik0: hdaX == (0,[X-1] )
[10:04] <youandme> hi
[10:04] <eyequeue> saik0:  woulnd't 2.4 mean the fith partition on the third physical drive?  that wouldn't be hda, that would be hdc
[10:04] <MarsDude> eyequeue , i found out how to get java,.. but it just strikes me as a bit inconsistent :-)
[10:04] <Roey> hi
[10:05] <Roey> is it possible to download the kernel source package so that I can symlink /usr/src/linux to it???
[10:05] <saik0> eyequeue, I made a mistake, I meant hdc5
[10:05] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  i agree, heh ... i think it's that you can't really d/l it except from some specific places, the "owners"
[10:05] <saik0> eyequeue, It's a laptop, the HD is recognized as hdc for some reason
[10:06] <eyequeue> saik0:  hdc5 would be 2,4, yes
[10:06] <youandme> i thingking to intall Ubuntu Hoary to 486/66 is it possible will it work and how much space it will need
[10:06] <MarsDude> eyequeue; blackdown can be distributed right?
[10:06] <saik0> eyequeue, crap, well then something else is broke
[10:06] <youandme> also i so that there is a live version and another one http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[10:06] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  hmm, that rings a bell.  i'm not up on java very much, not sure why blackdown isn't the preferred version in that case
[10:06] <Jimbob> youandme: It is possible, yes, I've gotten a desktop install down to 700MB of disk space (though that could probably be shrunken down).
[10:07] <geneo93> saik0:  did you fdisk
[10:07] <eyequeue> youandme:  live means run-from-cd, ie, slowly.  install means run-from-hd, ie, faster
[10:07] <Jimbob> youandme: Unfortunately, the desktop would run incredibly slow (it's pretty bad on a Cyrix 6x86, so I can only imagine how bad it'd be on a 486).
[10:07] <MarsDude> eyequeue, i'm not sure either, but I just guessed ;-)
[10:07] <saik0> geneo93, no
[10:08] <youandme> normaly how much space do i need
[10:08] <MarsDude> eyequeue , the problem with sun java is distribution and the license you have to agree to manually... so you have to download it from sun
[10:08] <eyequeue> youandme:  the other big advantage over the isntalled version is that you're not limited to just the apps on the cd
[10:08] <MarsDude> blackdown doest not have the license restriction at least
[10:09] <Cred> Could somebody help me to get sound back in newest Ubuntu?
[10:09] <eyequeue> youandme:  i don't know space contstraints offhand, numbers aren't "real" to me basically, so i forget tem, but, if you boot the isntall cd, and press the various f-keys, you'll be told those answers, i know that
[10:09] <eyequeue> youandme:  someone else may know the numbers off their head
[10:09] <MarsDude> eyequeue : http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d1.html mentions there are even debs packaged from blackdown
[10:10] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  yes, i see to recall backdown debs from my debian days
[10:10] <youandme> is there a linux with greek support (view in greek)  for a user tha doesnt know english
[10:10] <geneo93> well i'm off to kde land
[10:10] <youandme> thanks for the other answers
[10:11] <youandme> and i works on intel 486/66 and easy to install (with out problems)
[10:11] <eyequeue> youandme:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LogiotatidisGiorgos may be of interest?
[10:12] <MarsDude> from blackdown: Pointers to the relevant Sun licensing README files are given below. In other words, you may copy Blackdown JDK binaries over the network from Blackdown mirrors.
[10:12] <MarsDude> so a deb in multiverse, that automatically downloads and installs the deb from blackdown might be a legal possibility
[10:13] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  thanks for volunteering to make one ;-)
[10:14] <eyequeue> seriously though, i wish some ubuntu developers were here that knew why the current "default" seems to be sun
[10:14] <MarsDude> eyequeue: haha... well.. I have never done anything like it , and am not going to for at least a while , while i'm still not sure i'll stick with ubuntu :
[10:15] <geneo93> well it works
[10:15] <geneo93> text is smaller though
[10:16] <MarsDude> the site also mentions: The JRE (Java runtime environment) may be embedded and redistributed in your application...
[10:16] <MarsDude> jre is enough for most people
[10:17] <youandme> thanks for you help
[10:17] <MarsDude> but on the topic of repositories again: marillat is not even part of ubuntu like universe and multiverse are (even thought those aren't supported)
[10:18] <eyequeue> right
[10:18] <MarsDude> ok thanx
[10:18] <eyequeue> he's a debian developer, iirc
[10:18] <eyequeue> and i think being located in .fr might be a factor, legally, but i don't really know their laws
[10:19] <MarsDude> Well, I think I'm going to recommend (K)ubuntu to my wife... She's now running gentoo, but that might just be a bit to much for a non-geek ;-)
[10:20] <MarsDude> she liked debian, but it wasn't really polished for end-user IMHO
[10:20] <eyequeue> an ubuntu mirror would be required to carry things in an ubuntu repository, so having those marillat things in there might make it hard to get sites to become ubuntu mirrors
[10:20] <MarsDude> yes
[10:21] <eyequeue> i've never been in charge of an internetaional distro, but i imagine that might be something they'd need to consider, heh
[10:22] <eyequeue> s/internetaional/international/
[10:22] <eyequeue> interesting typo though, heh
[10:22] <MarsDude> but universe packages are candidate to get into main? or doesn't it work like that?
[10:23] <jpizza> hi all
[10:23] <eyequeue> i believe so, if there ends up being enough demand
[10:23] <jroes> and then I read about Ubuntu and was like "fuck this" :)
[10:23] <eyequeue> jroes:  heh, well welcome
[10:23] <jroes> 16 minutes left
[10:23] <geneo93> man kde is looking real good
[10:23] <wfx> hi
[10:23] <MarsDude> so there is also a main restricted for heavy demanded restricted packages?
[10:24] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  no, main and restricted are separate entities
[10:24] <MarsDude> eyequeue, i know, but i mean there is an officially supported restricted repository?
[10:25] <eyequeue> MarsDude: restricted seems basically to be "non-free" things of the kernel, modules, or things that most would like to see in the kernel, such as proprietary video chipset support
[10:25] <MarsDude> nvidia for example
[10:25] <wfx> firt i must say this march girl looks very buityfull but does ubuntu use allways naked girls?
[10:25] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  i don't know that it is an official description, but a manual browse of the contents led me to that belief
[10:25] <saik0> wfx, nah theres the one naked guy
[10:26] <eyequeue> wfx:  no, there's semi-clothed men too, heh
[10:26] <jroes> so depressing
[10:26] <MarsDude> you should write a WIKI about repositories.. or even a piece for the user manual... this isn't explained at all
[10:26] <jroes> there are birds outside chirping
[10:27] <saik0> As much as I absolutely love Ubuntu, I'd like it almot more if ti didnt eat widows
[10:27] <ficusplanet> Has anyone else been playing with the wobbly windows stuff?  It is sweet.
[10:27] <jroes> by the way, has anyone migrated those howtos from the forums to the Wiki?  it seems more appropriate to put it there
[10:27] <wfx> and why not nice photo of africa, animals?
[10:27] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  well, i'm not sure any of what i've said is official, it's just my personal observations
[10:27] <omniscient> can anyone suggest a good chess game in the packages?
[10:27] <omniscient> with a computer player
[10:28] <eyequeue> hmm, i'm not a gamer, but i know there's a few in there
[10:29] <eyequeue> some contain support for ICS standards (play-by-mail?)
[10:29] <omniscient> ah i like to play against the computer me and my housemate have kind of a never ending tournament going on.. every night we have 2 or 3 games heh
[10:29] <eyequeue> no idea if any play a "good" game against you though, since i would be beaten in 5 moves by even a poor player, lol
[10:29] <MarsDude> eyequeue; well... it should be done by someone imho... :-)
[10:29] <omniscient> just wanna practise :)
[10:29] <geneo93> hehe kde reads mp3's with out all the extra stuff
[10:30] <MarsDude> eyequeue , anyway.. thanx for all the information...
[10:30] <eyequeue> MarsDude:  np
[10:30] <saik0> omniscient,all the ones I found we're in universe
[10:30] <MarsDude> by all !!!
[10:30] <MarsDude> bye
[10:31] <desplesda> who would i talk to about including a package in main?
[10:31] <omniscient> im downloading gnuchess but i think i remember this one not being pretty
[10:31] <omniscient> i like games to look pretty
[10:32] <Echylo> who doesn't :s?
[10:32] <omniscient> Echylo, obviously people who play gnuchess
[10:32] <wfx> omniscient i miss crafty
[10:32] <Echylo> hmm don't know the game
[10:32] <Echylo> I'm playing atanks & supertux
[10:32] <Echylo> atanks isn't that beautiful either ;)
[10:32] <saik0> Woah, crafy isnt in the repos. what gives?
[10:33] <wfx> chess engine
[10:33] <wfx> i cant find crafty hmmm :-)
[10:34] <omniscient> xboard does the job
[10:34] <omniscient> wonder how good the ai is though
[10:34] <saik0> yea, GNUChess still whoops me up good, but I used to play crafty when I was feeling sadistic
[10:34] <Echylo> lel
[10:35] <wfx> yea! there is a teg ubnutu package here ;-)
[10:35] <saik0> wfx, eboard is kinda pretier, not by much, but it is more feature rich
[10:36] <Echylo> btw are there any worms games look a like, not wormux or atanks got those already...
[10:36] <wfx> saik0, thx but omniscient have ask for a good chess engine
[10:37] <saik0> wfx, oh, heh I'm not too bright at 4am you'll have to excuse me
[10:38] <wfx> please how can i install mplayer without xmms
[10:38] <deFrysk> apt-get install mplayer
[10:38] <omnis1985> the ai in xboard is pretty crap :|
[10:38] <deFrysk> apt-get remove xmms
[10:39] <omnis1985> it just checked me with a knight in distance so the king could take it without being threatened :|
[10:39] <omnis1985> theres one for windows i cant remember what it was called
[10:39] <omnis1985> but that AI is lethal
[10:39] <wfx> and crafty is not avail ;-)
[10:40] <PUZO>  Prompt how to add a script (any) on autostart??
[10:40] <eyequeue> PUZO:  man update-rc.d
[10:40] <PUZO> only ?
[10:40] <saik0> you could probably grab a deb from elsewhere.....
[10:41] <PUZO> I from Russia, sorry my english
[10:41] <funky> PUZO: apt-get install rcconf, much easier and friendly
[10:41] <omnis1985> ok i underestimated it just thrashed me
[10:41] <omnis1985> :(
[10:41] <wfx> deFrysk, this will work but it is not a real good way todo (trafik for nothing) does the debian package not have any funktion to block some app?
[10:42] <saik0> well I'm going to /bed nighty everyone
[10:42] <deFrysk> --nodeps
[10:42] <jroes> I was downloading ubuntu with curl and I'm trying to resume it because I lost it at like 90%
[10:42] <eyequeue> PUZO:  type 'man update-rc.d' in a terminal.  that will explain ubuntu's boot method
[10:42] <deFrysk> wfx --nodeps
[10:42] <jroes> I was hoping to continue it with -C, but it just prints out everything :X
[10:43] <PUZO> eyequeue: ok, danke
[10:43] <vivek> can i use progeny repositories for ubuntu??
[10:43] <wfx> omnis1985 http://packages.debian.org/testing/games/crafty
[10:43] <vivek> can i use progeny repositories for ubuntu apt-get?
[10:43] <wfx> deFrysk, does this not block all deps?
[10:44] <deFrysk> wfx yup
[10:44] <PUZO> eyequeue:  I write the script that I wish to start, and is simple then it in update-rc.d???
[10:44] <wfx> deFrysk, to mutch ;-)
[10:44] <deFrysk> wfx hehe
[10:44] <eyequeue> vivek:  UNWISE, BUT YOU CAN OF COURSE BREAK YOUR SYSTEM ANY WAY YOU CHOOSE
[10:44] <eyequeue> argh, capslock
[10:44] <vivek> oh...
[10:45] <vivek> n how does one do that...
[10:45] <eyequeue> PUZO:  i believe so
[10:45] <jroes> so I tried curl -C ubuntu.iso <url> -o ubuntu.iso
[10:45] <eyequeue> vivek:  you want to break your system?
[10:45] <vivek> i mean , gaim-vv is there only on progeny repos.... n i want that on my ubuntu...
[10:46] <PUZO> eyequeue:  Thanks big, I have simply got used to fc
[10:46] <eyequeue> PUZO:  welcome
[10:46] <PUZO> :)
[10:46] <vivek> is there ne way else i can gaim-vv
[10:48] <vivek> is there ne way iget gaim-vv on ubuntu?
[10:53] <wfx> by
[10:56] <pablo928> Did a apt-get upgrade a little while ago on hoary and when I rebooted I couldn't connect to my cable modem (stops at router).
[10:56] <PUZO>  For what it is necessary- /etc/init.d/binfmt-support ???
[10:57] <PUZO>  It is necessary to disconnect it?
[10:58] <azuzak> the latest firefox is buggy
[10:58] <PUZO> ?
[10:58] <azuzak> I can't render the background of this page correctly:
[10:58] <azuzak> http://www.answers.com/transitions&r=67
[10:58] <jimarko> azuzak: have you tried to view any SWF/flash movies? I'm curious to see if any audio lag occurs..
[10:58] <azuzak> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050324 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[10:58] <azuzak> wait a minute. brb
[10:59] <claint> if i was doing a new install, would it be better to go hoary or warty?
[10:59] <PUZO> i good all see
[10:59] <desplesda> hoary
[10:59] <desplesda> far more up to date
[10:59] <eyequeue> claint:  warty is the current stable release, hoary will be on 6 april
[10:59] <desplesda> claint:  yeah, if you want a more stable install, go with warty
[10:59] <desplesda> if you want features, go with hoary
[11:00] <claint> eyequeue : but current preview hoary will be stable with the updates on april6 as well right?
[11:00] <desplesda> claint:  yes it will
[11:00] <eyequeue> claint:  i don't understand your question, sorry
[11:00] <claint> no much left to april 6.
[11:00] <claint> eyequeue : i think desplesda answered it, thanks.
[11:01] <eyequeue> claint:  yes, this is the period when they try to fix all the remaining bugs
[11:01] <desplesda> eyequeue:  he's asking if the preview hoary will be able to be updated and considered stable come april 6
[11:01] <desplesda> it's basically stable enough for use now
[11:01] <eyequeue> desplesda:  as will warty though
[11:01] <eyequeue> desplesda:  stable means unchanging
[11:01] <desplesda> well yes eyequeue
[11:01] <desplesda> but if you install hoary you have less to download ;)
[11:01] <ruffian> Hi
[11:02] <ruffian> Just installed Ubuntu hoary amd64
[11:02] <ruffian> It's using the generic kernel...how do i change it to Athlon64?
[11:02] <ruffian> Would there be any advantage in doing so?
[11:02] <desplesda> ruffian:  it should be running an amd64 kernel
[11:03] <claint> desplesda : so april6 hoary and warty are the same??
[11:03] <desplesda> claint: actually no
[11:03] <ruffian> desplesda: This is the output of uname -a: Linux bdzone 2.6.10-4-amd64-generic #1 Thu Mar 10 02:52:25 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:04] <desplesda> you'll have to tell the installation to use packages from the hoary repositories
[11:04] <desplesda> ruffian:  you're running an amd64 kernel
[11:04] <Bazzi> ruffian theres amd64 in it ;)
[11:04] <desplesda> claint:  install hoary if you want to have an excellent desktop
[11:05] <desplesda> claint:  install warty if you want it to be unchanging but still secure
[11:05] <drspin> kyf\
[11:05] <ruffian> Ah ok. i just just read on this forum and it said: f you compile your own kernel, you can choose processor family - generic x86-64, Intel x86-64, or Athlon64
[11:05] <ecstasy> the fake windows directory for wine is ~/.wine right
[11:05] <ecstasy> ?
[11:05] <claint> desplesda : ah, gotcha. you delete all warty stuff from your desplesda : i got warty right now, i did get a few packages from the hoary.
[11:05] <ruffian> Thanks anyway
[11:05] <falcon3> when i use sudo, i get Segmentation fault
[11:06] <claint> desplesda : sorry was typing two things than got carried.
[11:06] <desplesda> claint:  no, don't delete anything
[11:07] <desplesda> you just remove warty from your list of repositories and add the hoary repositories
[11:07] <falcon3> can anyone help me?
[11:07] <claint> desplesda : i meant if wanted to upgrade warty to hoary, i would add the hoary repo to sources.list and after full updates i could delete warty repos.
[11:07] <desplesda> assuming you use synaptic, it's then as simple as running reload and then update
[11:07] <claint> desplesda : is that correct?
[11:07] <desplesda> correct
[11:08] <desplesda> yup :)
[11:08] <falcon3> when i use sudo, i get Segmentation fault
[11:08] <falcon3> what should i do?
[11:08] <claint> desplesda : currently i got the warty high on the preferences, so it wont get it until i put the -t hoary. gotcha.
[11:08] <falcon3> my external hdd on usb doesnt automount either with hotplug
[11:09] <desplesda> yup
[11:09] <desplesda> falcon3:  what version of ubuntu are you running?
[11:09] <falcon3> hoary
[11:09] <desplesda> ok
[11:09] <desplesda> your segmentation fault with sudo is puzzling
[11:10] <falcon3> i get some errors at boot too
[11:10] <Quinn_Storm> sudo segfault probably means corrupt sudo binary...meaning reinstall necessary, but you can probably install overtop of the old install rather than reformatting
[11:10] <desplesda> oh?
[11:10] <falcon3> i think my ubuntu is fucked up
[11:10] <falcon3> its very easy to fuck up your ubuntu, (third install in two months)
[11:10] <netmonk> falcon3, did you download the iso image?
[11:11] <falcon3> the ubuntu hoary preview iso
[11:11] <netmonk> what speed did you recorded it on?
[11:11] <falcon3> burned on cd
[11:11] <falcon3> euh
[11:11] <falcon3> 40x
[11:11] <siimo> hi anyone here use softwaresuspend2 successfully on hoary?
[11:11] <netmonk> :P
[11:11] <netmonk> next time try 100x ;)
[11:11] <netmonk> it's too fast
[11:11] <netmonk> you need 8x at the most
[11:11] <falcon3> :/
[11:11] <falcon3> why?
[11:11] <falcon3> it installs perfectly
[11:12] <falcon3> kevin@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache search sudo
[11:12] <falcon3> Segmentation fault
[11:12] <falcon3> :)
[11:13] <eyequeue> you call that perfectly?
[11:13] <netmonk> falcon3, i don't know why, but i've had similar problems some time ago and found out it was due to the install cd
[11:13] <netmonk> falcon3, a friend of mine had the exact sam problem
[11:13] <desplesda> falcon3:  reboot and boot up in 'recovery mode'
[11:13] <desplesda> single user mode
[11:13] <claint> yeah, i dont write anything faster than 8x
[11:13] <eyequeue> messed up enough that it doesn't display an error message != perfectly
[11:13] <desplesda> that should drop you into a root shell and you can then use apt
[11:13] <falcon3> i have some hotplug errors too
[11:14] <claint> i get the hotplug errors as well, actually
[11:14] <PUZO> how run gdesklets from root ???
[11:14] <claint> but those are kernel related.
[11:14] <falcon3> it hangs on boot every morning i turn on my pc, if i do a cold restart (pulling out power and sticking back in) THEN it only works
[11:14] <eyequeue> PUZO:  um, don't run as root
[11:16] <PUZO> right, but all time in root
[11:16] <eyequeue> why are you running as root?
[11:16] <PUZO> 
[11:16] <PUZO> habit
[11:16] <PUZO> yes
[11:16] <eyequeue> time to break a bad habit
[11:18] <PUZO> password very hard
[11:18] <PUZO> and Iptables
[11:18] <nessmuk> what can you do if livecd won't connect dhcp?
[11:19] <desplesda> PUZO:  what do you mean, the password is hard?
[11:19] <desplesda> you log in as root with a password anyway
[11:19] <PUZO> 12 symbols
[11:19] <falcon3> nessmuk: do you use windows too ?
[11:20] <nessmuk> falcon...no
[11:20] <falcon3> oh
[11:20] <nessmuk> only linux on that box. Was working with ubuntu, but I wanted more space, installed Beatrix, but it won't do dhcp
[11:20] <falcon3> coz windows does not autorelease your ip
[11:20] <falcon3> that could have been it
[11:21] <super_dude2> hi java i cant get it working help me plz total noob
[11:21] <nessmuk> falcon...you mean like on dual boot, when you change os?
[11:21] <PUZO>  Even under the usual user at me it was not started gdesklets spoke that cannot connect to a server.
[11:22] <Paloseco> *re
[11:22] <Paloseco> what should i download to get KDE working on ubuntu?
[11:22] <xerox> apt-get install better-ideas.
[11:22] <PUZO> :)
[11:23] <Paloseco> apt-get install other-distro
[11:23] <xerox> Bye.
[11:23] <Paloseco> see ya
[11:23] <desplesda> Paloseco:  if you feel like an iso download, get kubuntu
[11:23] <Paloseco> is not still available
[11:24] <Paloseco> what a good idea
[11:24] <super_dude2> i downloaded java vm for linux and it did nothing?
[11:24] <jimarko> you need to follow the post install instructions on the Java site.
[11:25] <super_dude2> ok ty
[11:25] <jimarko> I think it requires you to put some symbolic links in the 'Plugins' folder of your browser
[11:26] <super_dude2> im using mozzila firefox came with the cd.
[11:27] <Echylo> how should you remove kubuntu-desktop?
[11:27] <Echylo> and kde in general actually
[11:27] <xerox> The real question is "why"?
[11:27] <Echylo> cause I ain't using it
[11:28] <Echylo> and I don't want just standing on my pc doing nothing
[11:28] <jimarko> super_dude2: if thats the case, then you should be able to follow the install instructions to the letter with no hassles.
[11:28] <jimarko> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[11:29] <kain> what means when I do an apt-get update "Ign" before urls? that repository have some problem and it's ignored?
[11:32] <dabugas> hi
[11:32] <Fackamato> lo
[11:32] <Fackamato> mid
[11:32] <dabugas> my apt-get doesn't seem to resume interrupted downloads. any idea why?
[11:32] <jimarko> super_dude2: did that help at all?
[11:33] <Echylo> dabugas you have tried sudo apt-get install )f
[11:33] <Echylo> dabugas you have tried sudo apt-get install -f
[11:33] <Echylo> :p
[11:33] <dabugas> Echylo: that's not the problem
[11:34] <Echylo> ok then
[11:34] <dabugas> i'm trying to get thunderbird from the backports @ ubuntuforums at around 85% i get disconnected
[11:34] <dabugas> upon reconnect the download doesn't resume and starts at 0% :(
[11:34] <Echylo> that sounds normal
[11:34] <dabugas> really?
[11:34] <Echylo> it does the same thing here
[11:34] <Echylo> I guess
[11:34] <jimarko> well, im outta here. rock on dudes
[11:34] <dabugas> i'm certain apt-get didn't use to work like this
[11:35] <dabugas> can't be sure on ubuntu, but it resumed on my old debian box
[11:35] <scizzo> apt-get should resume
[11:35] <ruffian> Just installed gcc through apt. But for some reason when i try to install something it still doesn't find the c compiler
[11:35] <ruffian> checking for gcc... no
[11:35] <ruffian> checking for cc... no
[11:35] <ruffian> checking for cc... no
[11:35] <ruffian> checking for cl... no
[11:35] <ruffian> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[11:35] <scizzo> ruffian: apt-get install build-essential
[11:36] <ruffian> ok
[11:36] <scizzo> ruffian: you need that package to get started with compiling things
[11:36] <ruffian> ok i will try that
[11:37] <ruffian> scizzo: It works. Thank you :)
[11:38] <dabugas> so does anyone know how i can configure apt to resume?
[11:38] <Bazzi> it did automagically for me
[11:38] <Echylo> dabugas does it do that with every download?
[11:38] <Quinn_Storm> dabugas: it won't resume if the server doesn't support it
[11:38] <Bazzi> even after segfaulting
[11:39] <dabugas> quinn_storm: i'm downloading something from the backports.ubuntuforums.org
[11:39] <PUZO>  Prompt where download java sdk 1.5???
[11:39] <dabugas> Quinn_Storm: how can i find out if it's that server?
[11:40] <dabugas> Echylo: as far as I can tell
[11:40] <Quinn_Storm> dabugas: try downloading something from another server.
[11:41] <dabugas> damn. it's the server
[11:41] <dabugas> the ubuntu archive resumes fine
[11:41] <PUZO> eyequeue:  Prompt where  java sdk 1.5???
[11:42] <PUZO> download
[11:42] <dabugas> thanks for the help all
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> Is there anything in x86 that doesn't work in x86-64 which I'm likely to use on a desktop?
[11:45] <mjr> HiddenWolf, mostly proprietary stuff (which, of course, would run in a 32-bit chroot, but that'd require extra setting up)
[11:46] <HiddenWolf> mjr: like?
[11:46] <dockane> hi all ... just have istalled ubuntu on my thinpad t21. my first question is how do i set up a higher desktop resolution ? ubuntu only offers me 640x480
[11:46] <mjr> flash, skype, and abominations like that
[11:46] <b00gie> video codecs too :/
[11:47] <mjr> well yeah, some of the more exotic proprietary ones
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> Is 64bit noticeably faster then x86?
[11:48] <claint> dockane : i had the same problem yesterday on my laptop after i had done an install
[11:48] <claint> dockane : what is the graphics card, do you know?
[11:48] <claint> ^ after an upgrade that is
[11:48] <mjr> well, I don't know about noticeably, since it's hard to notice the difference at these speeds, but there is a performance advantage for many things (due to the added registers, mostly)
[11:49] <dockane> its a .. .. S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11)
[11:49] <mjr> sometimes the increased pointer size may eat away at the performance increase by filling the cache more quickly, though
[11:49] <claint> dockane : well, i don
[11:49] <wellery> i just upgraded my hoary system and now I don't have internet access anymore
[11:50] <wellery> someone else in the forums also complained about this happening to them
[11:50] <dockane> claint, what do you mean with  i don ? (sorry for my poor english)
[11:50] <ruffian> 64 bit is annoying. A lot of software don't support it
[11:50] <claint> dockane : well, i don't know what exatly caused my prblem. i had a beackup of my prior XF86Config which worked and i used that. the difference was a vertical and horizontal sync difference between the config files
[11:50] <claint> dockane : i had pressed return before completing what i was writing.
[11:51] <b00gie> and apt biarch isnt ready... yet :/
[11:51] <claint> dockane : laptop keyboards kinna small you know...
[11:51] <dockane> claint, i see : no problem. so is it all about the xorg.conf in /etc/x11/ ?
[11:51] <mjr> ruffian, proprietary software is annoying
[11:52] <mjr> as is non-portable free software, but at least they're fixing oo.org
[11:52] <mjr> (and that's kludged in anyway)
[11:52] <claint> dockane : mine was warty though, so it was XF86Config-4 for me. but as i have said, i don't know what caused it, it happened after the upgrade.
[11:52] <ruffian> yea
[11:52] <claint> dockane : and luckily i had a backup, which was done by the nvidia driver installation.
[11:53] <ruffian> Going to switch reinstall the i386 version
[11:53] <ruffian> brb
[11:54] <dockane> i googled for my resolutoin issue but did not really get the point where to enable i.e. 1024-768. is there a way to force startx with a given resolution ?
[11:55] <knoppix> Hello
[11:55] <claint> dockane : the resolutions should be in your xorg.conf.
[11:56] <claint> dockane : see if you got 1024x768 there.
[11:56] <knoppix> Is there a script in warty that will allow me to setup a ethernet internet?
[11:56] <dockane> claint, yes they should. and the strange thing everything there is about 1024-768
[11:57] <claint> dockane : that is exactly what happened to me as well.
[11:57] <claint> dockane : my resolutions in there were all high, but it wasnt giving me anything other than 640x480
[11:57] <claint> dockane: hold on.
[11:57] <b00gie> check the monitor frequences
[11:57] <dockane> claint, maybe its because of the entry "standard monitor/display" ?
[11:58] <dockane> b00gie, its an lcd in t21 thinkpad
[11:58] <knoppix> try xfree86config
[11:58] <claint> dockane: this is the only diff i got between configs that worked and that didnt. mind that my config file is not xorg.conf, but it might help.
[11:59] <b00gie> dockane check the manual
[11:59] <claint> dockane : the one that works has:
[11:59] <b00gie> and set it properly in xorg conf
[11:59] <claint> <       HorizSync       28-64
[11:59] <claint> <       VertRefresh     43-60
[11:59] <dmoyne> Please I cannot use characters ">" and "<" from keyboard in any text editors ; what is the reason ? ; thanks
[11:59] <knoppix> does anyone here use ubuntu on a broad band connection?
[11:59] <claint> dockane: that is the output of diff so disregard the > < chars
[12:00] <dockane> knoppix, i currently do
[12:00] <knoppix> ok how did you set itup?
[12:00] <claint> the one that gave me 640 480 had:
[12:00] <dmoyne> to claint : how can I fix this ?
[12:00] <knoppix> im using a standered dhcp cable modem on ethernet
[12:00] <claint> >       HorizSync       28-33
[12:00] <claint> >       VertRefresh     43-72
[12:01] <claint> dmoyne : i dont know. can you type them in the shell?
[12:01] <dockane> knoppix, sorry i use german dsl and configure it with pppoeconf. but in /etc/network/interfaces or something like this must be a conf file where you can put you ethX to dhcp
[12:02] <dmoyne> to claint : nope !
[12:02] <claint> dmoyne : but you can type them here?
[12:03] <dmoyne> to claint : you see even to get then in my message I had to copy them from a text file where they belonged to !
[12:03] <Bazzi> knoppix ubuntu has a graphical interface for that
[12:03] <Bazzi> it's system config -> network or so
[12:03] <claint> dmoyne : odd. did you set up a funky keyboard or something? i don't know why that would happen. perhaps ask someone else.
[12:04] <claint> i gotta leave anyways.
[12:04] <knoppix> Hello
[12:04] <dabugas> is there anyway to keymap the system monitor to ctrl+alt+del in metacity/gnome?
[12:05] <dmoyne> How to change police size in Gnome applications that I use in Kde ?
[12:08] <claint> erm, by the way, quick question. what is the version of gcc in hoary?
[12:09] <goldfish> How do I remove xfce completely?
[12:10] <xerox> goldfish: apt-get --purge remove <xfce packets> works?
[12:10] <goldfish> ok, thanks
[12:10] <xerox> yw.
[12:12] <claint> could someone with hoary type "gcc --version" on the console and give me the version number please?
[12:12] <kain> kain@striker:~$ gcc --version
[12:12] <kain> gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[12:12] <WeirdAl> 3.3.5
[12:13] <Insom> hi all
[12:13] <WeirdAl> Can someone help me get my sound back in sync with my video?
[12:13] <claint> krain, WeirdAl : thanks.
[12:13] <WeirdAl> Everything I use has lag on the sound of about a second or so.
[12:14] <Insom> this is my third attempt.. can someone please walk me trough installing codecs for playing mp3s and avis on my ubuntu please..
[12:14] <vixus> Hey, how do I install gnome-vfs in ubuntu?
[12:14] <vixus> Insom: Sure.
[12:14] <Insom> vixus do u mind if we go prvt
[12:15] <vixus> Insom: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins w32codecs
[12:15] <bolamix> bash: gcc: command not found <<< I'm probably doing something wrong :p
[12:15] <bolamix> hi yall, very n00b here
[12:15] <Wildthing> mmm u need to get gcc
[12:15] <Corvus> where can i change the language settings in hoary ?
[12:15] <vixus> Insom: Make sure you have the extra repositories: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:15] <vixus> Insom: Say if you have any problems.
[12:15] <WeirdAl> bolamix: sudo apt-get install gdd
[12:16] <WeirdAl> gcc* sorry
[12:16] <Insom> ok vixus.. ill give it a go
[12:16] <vixus> Ok, anyway, can someone help me install gnome-vfs?
[12:16] <bolamix> cheers WeirdAl
[12:16] <WeirdAl> np
[12:17] <vixus> I need gnome-vfs for Bluefish.
[12:17] <superted_> vixus: apt-get install gnome-vfs ?
[12:18] <vixus> no such package
[12:18] <bolamix> i'd love to have my display in 1024*768 but can't find a driver for my ati 264 VT card... i guess it's too old and/or not supported... anyone can confirm this?
[12:18] <dabugas> apt-getting bluefish don't work?
[12:18] <vixus> dabugas: I have bluefish, I need gnome-vfs
[12:18] <WeirdAl> If I go settings > Preferences > sound and turn event sounds off, all my other sounds go out of synch, it appears...
[12:18] <superted_> vixus: try libgnome-vfs-common then, by the way, i haven't had any good experiences with bluefish and gnome-vfs
[12:18] <Wildthing> vixus, make sure u have ur repositories set up
[12:19] <WeirdAl> sorry, system > preferences > sound
[12:19] <vixus> superted_: Yeah, I can see why.
[12:19] <vixus> I have libgnome(s) installed.
[12:19] <vixus> But bluefish's Open Url dialog still doesn't work.
[12:19] <dabugas> what you want is libgnomevfs2-common
[12:20] <dabugas> between ubuntu, marillat & backports i have it on my system
[12:20] <vixus> ah, is that version 2.*.*
[12:20] <WeirdAl> hmm ... now the sound's back in sync again. I wish it would make its mind up.
[12:20] <WeirdAl> sheehs.
[12:20] <WeirdAl> sh
[12:21] <dockane> how do i configure the display which is used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[12:21] <vixus> dockane: dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg or something.
[12:22] <e-Jah> hi/re/lut
[12:22] <dabugas> vixus: alright now?
[12:22] <vixus> dabugas: not yet (updating)
[12:23] <WeirdAl> O_o My sound's back to normal.
[12:23] <dabugas> vixus: ok. it should work, tho. it's not a peculiar package
[12:23] <vixus> WeirdAl: Then be happy!
[12:24] <vixus> dabugas: Ok, thanks.
[12:24] <WeirdAl> yeah, but I bet it starts doin' it again at an annoying time.
[12:24] <WeirdAl> #
[12:25] <vixus> XD Yep
[12:25] <vixus> Computers... out to get you at any moment.
[12:25] <dabugas> WeirdAl: is it a dvd or a divx?
[12:25] <dabugas> vixus: is that why we use linux? to avoid all this ;)
[12:26] <vixus> yes.
[12:26] <vixus> but... I meant computers in general.
[12:26] <dabugas> :)
[12:27] <vixus> I mean, Linux > Windoze... but I have to keep Windows for games (and parents)
[12:27] <dockane> is there no way to configure the display within the window system ?
[12:28] <dabugas> vixus: i don't play games. except for mame stuff. i mean, if you have ms pacman, who cares for 3rd graphics :p
[12:29] <vixus> tut tut. Half-Life 2 and FS2004 are taking up my computer time.
[12:29] <Rattboi> FS
[12:29] <vixus> flight simulatr
[12:29] <Rattboi> oh
[12:30] <Nostromo^> how come when i use sudo some things require my password to be retyped and others don't? what decides that?
[12:30] <funky> in what package is the synaptic gnome applet ?
[12:31] <vixus> dabugas: libgnome It's already the latest version!!!
[12:31] <vixus> Nostromo^: If you've typed it in once for that app/command, you don';t have to do it again
[12:31] <dabugas> vixus: when you apt-get install bluefish
[12:31] <dabugas> what does it say?
[12:32] <vixus> it installed fine I think.
[12:32] <Nostromo^> vixus, gotchya. thanks.
[12:32] <vixus> Nostromo^: np
[12:32] <Nostromo^> Vixus, and what's with the no root password question the installation process? is it an ubuntu design call?
[12:33] <vixus> Yes.
[12:33] <Nostromo^> s/the/in the/
[12:33] <vixus> You just have to use your user password with sudo.
[12:33] <vixus> It makes it much simpler for newbies.
[12:33] <odie5533> Anyone know how to use vmware on ubuntu?
[12:33] <dabugas> Nostromo^: there's an article about this at the ubuntu wiki, explaining ubuntu's rationale behind this decision
[12:33] <WeirdAl> oh, sorry, went miles away.
[12:34] <WeirdAl> dabugas: it's everything.
[12:34] <Nostromo^> thanks dabugas and vixus, i'll look into it. Though I'll probably just remove myself from admins and use root when I need too. seems more secure that way.
[12:34] <WeirdAl> DVDs do it, DivXs do it, xmms does it
[12:34] <WeirdAl> xmms seems to always do it though.
[12:34] <vixus> dabugas: Let me check bluefish.
[12:35] <dabugas> WeirdAl: did this begin after you did something in particular or was it never playing correctly?
[12:35] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu and kubuntu release at the same time
[12:35] <WeirdAl> I don't know. I've only had Ubuntu for a couple of days so I don't know what it was like before.
[12:35] <WeirdAl> Yesterday, all sound was out of synch, even if I rebooted. Today it seems to be fine.
[12:36] <KeithWeisshar> i'm having problem with the ubuntu live cd, it's not detecting my 3c509b nic
[12:36] <vixus> dabugas: Nope, open url still doesn't work.
[12:36] <Quinn_Storm> KeithWeisshar: try doing a modprobe 3c509...I have the same nic and the driver works...
[12:37] <dabugas> vixus: try running bluefish from a console and see what error it spits out
[12:37] <dabugas> WeirdAl: 1) restarting rarely does anything in linux 2) did you update or change anything between today and yesterday?
[12:38] <KeithWeisshar> do i need to do a modprobe 3c509 every time i boot up in order to access the internet
[12:38] <Nostromo^> Should my diskonkey be auto-mounted? it's a bit disappointing that it doesn't.. im on hoary, amd64 (/var/log/messages shows that the kernel detected the device)
[12:38] <WeirdAl> I did an upgrade when I turned it on today and there was nothing to do.
[12:38] <WeirdAl> so I was up to date yesterday.
[12:38] <KeithWeisshar> the live cd is very slow
[12:38] <dabugas> KeithWeisshar: you just add it to /etc/modules
[12:38] <WeirdAl> Can't think of anything else I'd done, unless it was something in my previous session that was still running and caused the sound to be out of sync.
[12:39] <Nostromo^> KeithWeisshar, no, it should auto-load it whenever it's needed. you just need to have a line in /etc/modules.conf which is roughy like "alias eth0 3c509", which you probably already do.
[12:39] <vixus> dabugas: Oh, it's working... It was a problem with my FTP.
[12:39] <vixus> dabugas: Thnaks
[12:39] <dabugas> no prob, vixus
[12:39] <KeithWeisshar> i'm only running from live cd
[12:40] <vixus> dabugas: I can even play with creating directories.
[12:40] <dabugas> KeithWeisshar: i don't know how to rectify that. i guess you'll have to do it everytime. theoretically you could create a bootdisk that loads the live cd and has a script to simply load your module but that sounds like a lot of hassle :)
[12:41] <WeirdAl> Can I put a CD-eject icon on my launcher bar?
[12:41] <ruffian> Hello
[12:41] <Frafraxy> hello ruffian
[12:41] <ruffian> How can you choose the screen resolution at login?
[12:41] <ruffian> i can't seem to find it anywhere
[12:41] <KeithWeisshar> should i order the ubuntu cd and have it shipped to the computer user group
[12:42] <Frafraxy> how can i change the boot sequence?
[12:42] <ruffian> Hey Frafraxy
[12:42] <dabugas> WeirdAl: not that i know of; but i've only been using ubuntu for a couple of days
[12:42] <Frafraxy> i'm using a hoary-amd
[12:42] <dabugas> a few days, actually
[12:42] <ruffian> Frafraxy: You need to go into bios
[12:42] <ruffian> wait
[12:42] <WeirdAl> Apparently if I remove totem I'll remove ubuntu-desktop.
[12:42] <KeithWeisshar> is hoary-amd only for athlons
[12:42] <ruffian> You mean choosing between windows and ubuntu Frafraxy?
[12:42] <Frafraxy> no,
[12:43] <WeirdAl> but totem is starting to annoy me and I don't want it, and I don't like the idea of removing something called ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <dabugas> Frafraxy: maybe there's a better way, i just edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:43] <dabugas>  to permanently change my resolution
[12:43] <Frafraxy> it try to sync to ntp.ubuntu*
[12:43] <Frafraxy> and then it try to connect
[12:43] <dabugas> WeirdAl: don't worry about it. ubuntu-desktop is just a dumb package: it just requires several packages, removing it will not them.
[12:44] <dockane> debugas, i do not have that file but want to edit the resolutions.
[12:44] <WeirdAl> OK then :-)
[12:44] <dockane> where do i find it ?
[12:44] <dabugas> dockane: are you on hoary with xorg?
[12:44] <Frafraxy> can i exchange?
[12:45] <dockane> Linux T12ubuntu 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Thu Jan 27 13:39:43 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:45] <dockane> is this hoary ?
[12:45] <oz__> has anyone a solution for Bug 6920 https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6920 tey? DMA failing for some (DVD) devices
[12:45] <dabugas> WeirdAl: be aware that if you update ubuntu later, from warty to hoary or something you must check out the newer ubuntu-desktop to see if they've added any nifty new things you may have missed :)
[12:45] <KeithWeisshar> when i boot from the live cd it tries to sync to the ntp time server and fails
[12:46] <KeithWeisshar> it tries to sync to ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[12:46] <WeirdAl> Well I'm already on hoary
[12:46] <ruffian> KeithWeisshar: Tired other servers?
[12:47] <WeirdAl> Keith: what sort of network card are you using?
[12:47] <dockane> debugas : only haven got a xorg.conf
[12:47] <WeirdAl> My laptop wouldn't do it because I had to do extra messing around to get the PCMCIA card to work.
[12:47] <KeithWeisshar> 3c509b isa
[12:47] <Frafraxy> can i disable the sync to ntp.ubuntulinux.org at boot?
[12:47] <WeirdAl> You can press ctrl-c when it does it.
[12:47] <WeirdAl> That'll skip it.
[12:48] <KeithWeisshar> the link light doesn't come on when i boot from the live cd
[12:48] <dabugas> dockane: maybe, not sure :) anyway what is your xserver? in order to have the file i mentioned you have to have xserver-xfree86, if you have xorg (which i think hoary has) the file may be different but it should be somewhere in /etc
[12:48] <gnert> I upgraded Hoary earlier today, and after rebooting I no longer had internet access. There already seem to be a few posts about this on the forums, but no solutions so far... anyone else have this problem?
[12:48] <ryle> #ubuntu
[12:48] <membreya> Frafraxy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice
[12:48] <Frafraxy> thanks, membreya
[12:49] <dabugas> membreya: he's on a live cd, tho
[12:50] <dockane> debugas, yes you are right. there is xorg.conf in /etc/X11 but the solution i got from google tells me to change vert and horsync-> these entries are not in my xorg.conf
[12:50] <funky> anyone using linux-wlan-ng drivers ?
[12:50] <KeithWeisshar> should i order the 5.04 cd via shipit
[12:50] <funky> i havent prism2_cs, it just comes with prism2_usb
[12:50] <dabugas> dockane: i can't be sure, but that sounds dubious.
[12:53] <bolamix> hi again
[12:53] <bodhi> hi
[12:53] <dockane> well a lot of people have problems with linux on thinkpads, esecially with then savage graphic chipset. all the solutions require this xf86config or whatever. i ve installed ubuntu from cd and the only resolution i can change to is 640 and which more and more is annoying because a lot of windows are out of sight
[12:54] <bolamix> i just installed fglrx-control from package manager
[12:54] <bodhi> has hoary changed to X from XFree?
[12:54] <bolamix> can anyone tell me where to find it now please?
[12:54] <dockane> cd=dvd
[12:54] <Frafraxy> how i can do for format a disk with fat32?
[12:55] <KeithWeisshar> is bittorrent the fastest way to download ubuntu
[12:55] <bolamix> yes bittorrent is fastest i think
[12:55] <gnert> bodhi; Yeah.
[12:55] <dockane> KeithWeisshar, think so.
[12:56] <KeithWeisshar> do you have bittorrent 4.0.1
[12:56] <KeithWeisshar> i use bittorrent 4.0.1 to download the iso
[12:56] <bolamix> i haven't used bittorrent on ubuntu yet, but on winblows it's way faster than the regular web download
[12:56] <shank_> Frafraxy, mkfs.vfat?
[12:56] <dockane> gnert, any idea how to do tis things :
[12:56] <dockane> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117305&highlight=IM+thinkpad+t0
[12:57] <dockane> ?
[12:57] <bolamix> food time, i'll come back later with more ati questions ;)
[12:57] <KeithWeisshar> download bittorrent 4.0.1 from www.bittorrent.com. it's better than bittorrent 3.4.2 and has an upload rate limiter slider in it and a new gui
[12:57] <dockane> i cant find anyway to this because ive only got a xorg.conf
[12:57] <bolamix> already learned a few useful things, thx all
[12:57] <bodhi> i see, i upgrade to Hoary, should i change something to my nvidia conf?
[12:57] <chtitux> hello
[12:58] <goldfish> hi
[12:58] <bodhi> gnert: i see, i upgrade to Hoary, should i change something to my nvidia conf?
[12:58] <chtitux> I have installed Xfce and I want to come back to KDE but Xfce is the default wmanager ... Where can I change that ? There is bothing about it in kdmconfig in kconfig . grep -Ri "xfce" /etc/ , nothing interant too ...
[12:59] <dockane> how do i change the display settings in gnome ?
[12:59] <WeirdAl> damnation
[12:59] <WeirdAl> totem != totem movie playe
[12:59] <WeirdAl> r
[01:00] <dockane> i do not want to change the resolution but the display settings
[01:00] <gnert> dockane; Do the same modifications in xorg.conf. It's basically the equivalent of XF86Config.
[01:02] <WeirdAl> OK, all my DivX movies are out of synch, but some of them ever so slightly.
[01:02] <dockane> gnert, yes but i am not an experienced linux user and not able to add some lines there. the only thing i can do is changing existing entries. so still looking for lines like
[01:02] <dockane> HorizSync to 30.0-70.0
[01:02] <dockane> VertRefresh 50.0-90.0
[01:02] <WeirdAl> In that way where you have to look closely or watch for ages before you notice.
[01:03] <gnert> bodhi; I'm afraid I don't have experience with the nvidia drivers.
[01:03] <gnert> dockane; Oh, okay... just a second.
[01:03] <claint> hmm, my cdrecord doesn't work.... does nautilus write isos?
[01:03] <bodhi> ok, ty, gnert
[01:04] <gnert> dockane; Are you able to find 'Modes "800x600" "640x480"' somewhere in there?
[01:04] <gnert> Or something similar.
[01:05] <dockane> gnert may i give you a query with the file and explain the problem ?
[01:05] <gnert> Sure, go ahead.
[01:06] <dockane> so thats basically my screen section
[01:06] <dockane> but the cahnge resolution function in gnome only gives me 640
[01:07] <jroes> ubuntu is so hot :)
[01:08] <dockane> gnert so the first think i would like to change is the standardmonitor to generic1024 or seomthing else... just to try if this is the problem
[01:08] <dockane> if not i would like to try the solution from my google research, but there only xfconfig is described and NOT xorg.conf
[01:09] <chtitux> I have installed Xfce and I want to come back to KDE but Xfce is the default windows manager ... Where can I change that ? There is bothing about it in kdmconfig in kconfig . grep -Ri "xfce" /etc/ , nothing interant too ...
[01:09] <dockane> to bee precise its xf86config-4
[01:10] <gnert> dockane; You should be able to do all the things described for XF86Config-4 in xorg.conf. The structure is similar.
[01:10] <goldfish> dockane: are u running warty or hoary?
[01:10] <goldfish> damn
[01:10] <goldfish> nm
[01:10] <alterim> hi anyone got experience of installing ndiswrapper to use wireless pci card?
[01:11] <dockane> dont know uname -a tells me :
[01:11] <dockane> Linux T12ubuntu 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Thu Jan 27 13:39:43 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:11] <hgoesm> cann someone help me: i get an error fatal IO errot 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0" after 0 requests (o kononw processed) Its an ubuntu server
[01:11] <gnert> dockane; You're running Hoary in case you have xorg.conf.
[01:11] <dockane> yes
[01:11] <dockane> so o
[01:11] <dockane> its hoary
[01:11] <chtitux> hgoesm, xhost +localhost or something ...
[01:11] <WeirdAl> someone remind me where mounts are listed?
[01:12] <chtitux> mount
[01:12] <chtitux> :)
[01:12] <WeirdAl> _
[01:12] <dockane> just type mount
[01:12] <hgoesm> i tried to run startx after installation
[01:12] <alterim> i'm trying to install ndiswrapper; anyone help?
[01:12] <chtitux> hgoesm, run xhost +localhost
[01:12] <hgoesm> mom
[01:13] <dockane> the device manager in gnome is not able to change monitor/display related stuff ?
[01:13] <goldfish> alterim: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[01:13] <hgoesm> xhost: unable to open display ""
[01:13] <alterim> goldfish how can i do this when i have no net connection?
[01:13] <gnert> dockane; Are you able to modify xorg.conf by hand?
[01:14] <Odaeus> Hi, does anyone know why the installer would not be able to see existing partitions? Fdisk can see them fine but the installer wants to create a blank table.
[01:14] <hgoesm> i want to have fluxbbox
[01:15] <dockane> gnert of course i am
[01:15] <hgoesm> cann someone help me: i get an error fatal IO errot 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0" after 0 requests (o kononw processed) Its an ubuntu server
[01:17] <underlord> does ext3 store the modified property of files at the time the last byte is writen, if not how much error can i expect?
[01:17] <gnert> dockane; Right. You posted that URL before, are you unable to do the changes described there? I get the impression that the problem you have is that you're unable to do the things described for XF86Config to xorg.conf... right?
[01:17] <goldfish> alterim: ermm... that will pose a problem :)
[01:17] <dockane> gnert, nope thats not the point,
[01:17] <dockane> .
[01:18] <alterim> i am a new user. am i better off with 4.10 or 5.04?
[01:18] <xvlun> hi, yesterday i upgraded my system to hoary, and unfortunately i am experiencing problems with evo and dbus: ** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use with GLib aborting...
[01:18] <dockane> the point is that there is NO (!) line like described on the url in my xorg
[01:18] <xvlun> the whole debug output is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jKykHp67.html
[01:19] <hgoesm> help me pls
[01:19] <gnert> dockane; Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Anyway, I don't see any obvious problems with the Screen section.
[01:19] <dockane> .conf, maybe due to the fact that xf86config is described and not xorg.conf
[01:19] <alterim> hmm i'm trying to establish if 4.10 or 5.04 preview is best for me
[01:19] <gnert> dockane; Oh, which line?
[01:19] <Bazzi> alterim wait till april 6th and get hoary stable ;)
[01:20] <alterim> until then use?
[01:20] <Bazzi> what you use now :P
[01:20] <gnert> dockane; HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[01:20] <alterim> (is so tired of these fundamental linux comments, and the smileys that accompany them)
[01:20] <goldfish> hehe
[01:20] <alterim> hmm, right
[01:20] <Bazzi> alterim what are you using now?
[01:20] <alterim> xp
[01:21] <Bazzi> so you can wait another 2 weeks, can't you?
[01:21] <alterim> not really
[01:21] <goldfish> try warty
[01:21] <Bazzi> then download hoary now
[01:21] <alterim> i've got 5.04 preview on another partition which i'm trying to get online
[01:21] <goldfish> maybe
[01:21] <goldfish> hrmm...
[01:21] <hgoesm> is it normal that xorg.conf und XF86Config-4 are empty in ubuntu???
[01:21] <alterim> but it seems to be a bit glitchy
[01:21] <alterim> menus keep vanishing
[01:21] <Bazzi> whats wrong?
[01:21] <Bazzi> huh
[01:22] <hgoesm> bzzi u meen me
[01:22] <alterim> the main three menus, you click on them and they oepn but you can't see them
[01:22] <alterim> like they are opening behind the desktop
[01:22] <dockane> gnert, yes
[01:22] <dockane> something like
[01:22] <dockane>  HorizSync 31.5 - 37.9
[01:22] <dockane> VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0
[01:22] <Bazzi> alterim that looks.....weir
[01:22] <Bazzi> weird
[01:23] <alterim> well, what determines wether one should use 4.10 or 5.04
[01:23] <alterim> is there actually ANY difference at all?!
[01:23] <goldfish> 5.04 is more bleeding edge
[01:23] <gnert> dockane; You should have 'Section "Standardbildschirm"' somewhere in there, do you?
[01:23] <claint> alterim: new packages in most things. X is different.
[01:23] <alterim> but i want to know what that means to me
[01:24] <goldfish> ermm..
[01:24] <claint> alterim: i am about to install hoary over my warty in a few minutes, than i might tell you more. ;-p
[01:24] <goldfish> lol
[01:24] <gnert> dockane; Er, sorry, 'Section "Monitor"'.
[01:24] <alterim> well i've been using hoary for a few days
[01:24] <hgoesm> is it normal that xorg.conf und XF86Config-4 are empty in ubuntu???
[01:24] <dtudosie> hi everybody
[01:24] <alterim> and i just thought installing 4.10 over it might be a more sensible option seeing as i'm such a newb
[01:24] <claint> alterim
[01:25] <dtudosie> I have a question about epson printers in ubuntu (hoary)
[01:25] <claint> alterim : hoary giving you problem,s?
[01:25] <dockane> gnert, u
[01:25] <alterim> well, i've tried to follow a guide on setting up a wireless card with no success
[01:25] <alterim> and also i'm having problems occasionaly with menus disapearing
[01:26] <alterim> application/places/system etc
[01:26] <xf__> hi there; trying to get ubuntu (hoary) running on an older machine, can't get the kernel booted
[01:26] <alterim> the menus open, but behind the desktop!
[01:26] <claint> alterim : guys in #wireless usually help people about their problems i have heard.
[01:26] <gnert> dockane; All you need to do, as far as I can tell, is to add those two lines to 'Section "Monitor"'.
[01:26] <claint> alterim : the menu thing i don't know about.
[01:26] <xf__> getting: "Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)", then "VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[01:27] <xf__> any clues?
[01:27] <dtudosie> I have setup my epson printer on the parallel port and managed to print but when I want to query for the ink level I have some issues... : mtink freezes and escputil is saying that the printer does not respond...
[01:27] <dtudosie> anybody has an ideea ?
[01:27] <xf__> it's definitely on hda; i can boot using the warty live cd, and mount hda1 fine
[01:27] <claint> xf__ : i get a VFS error on boot as well, butu it is because VFS doesn't recognize reiserfs, and the error is different along the lines of reiserfs:unknown partition type or something.
[01:28] <xf__> this is ext3, i think - or whatever hoary does as default
[01:28] <xf__> i can boot the hard drive fine in a different machine... just not this machine that it is in
[01:28] <hgoesm> why does my ubuntu don't find any screens???
[01:28] <xf__> seems ihave to pass a different root= option or something?
[01:28] <xf__> any ideas?
[01:28] <hgoesm> and the xserver config files are empty
[01:29] <alterim> hey #wireless sounds good
[01:29] <alterim> what network?
[01:29] <dockane> gnert,  what could be the worst effect if i add these lines ?
[01:29] <claint> alterim : this network, freenode.
[01:29] <alterim> also can someone tell me how to bookmark irc sites (chatzilla/firefox)
[01:29] <dockane> so in general lines from a x86config can be transferred  to a xorg.conf ?
[01:29] <alterim> i understand i can bookmark say, this irc channel in firefox's standard bookmarks menu
[01:29] <alterim> ?
[01:30] <dtudosie> well... I'll repeat my question then...: I have setup my epson printer on the parallel port and managed to print but when I want to query for the ink level I have some issues... : mtink freezes and escputil is saying that the printer does not respond... anybody have an ideea ?
[01:30] <alterim> save me typing /server irc.freenode.net /join #ubuntu everytime
[01:30] <hgoesm> xorg.conf is empty too
[01:30] <gnert> dockane; X not starting up, which can be easily fixed by removing those two lines. And yes, in general lines from XF86Config can be transferred to xorg.conf.
[01:30] <keffo> wheres all hoary updates? no updates for over 2-3 days :<
[01:30] <claint> somebody said yesterday that hoary doesn't use the xorg.conf
[01:30] <ruffian> I still can't find how to change the resolution of the login screen?
[01:30] <xf__> nobody?
[01:30] <Bazzi> keffo apt-get update :P
[01:30] <alterim> would it simply be: irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
[01:30] <alterim> ???
[01:30] <keffo> ...
[01:31] <claint> keffo: silence before the stable ones i guess.
[01:31] <Bazzi> there were upates yesterday and 2 days ago :P
[01:31] <dtudosie> claint: strange... my hoary uses xorg.conf
[01:31] <Frafraxy> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0 quiet splash vga=791 splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/frag.xpm.gz
[01:31] <claint> well, i am going hoary ;-p. i'll see it when i get there. catch you guys later.
[01:32] <Frafraxy> it doesn't funct
[01:32] <Frafraxy> i must delete vga=791 for activate splashimage?
[01:33] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[01:33] <chtitux> Frafraxy, nobody, but you can try
[01:33] <Frafraxy> ok
[01:33] <dtudosie> anybody printing with epson in ubuntu (hoary) ? if so, did you managed to get the ink level or change the cartridge ?
[01:34] <alterim> ok well i figured it out myself
[01:34] <alterim> i added bookmark: irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
[01:34] <goldfish> cool
[01:35] <bolamix> has anyone got a clue on setting my display to 1024*768? right now it won't go over 832*624
[01:35] <bolamix> video card is ATI 264VT
[01:35] <dabugas> is there app for gnome/gtk like kppp; i mean with a guy, not wvdial
[01:35] <dabugas> guy=gui
[01:36] <bolamix> and I'd love to be able to connect to my favorite DC hubs too, can't figure out how to install dcgui
[01:37] <dtudosie> bolamix: I recommend dcgui-qt... tried dcgui.. didn't managed to get it to wok...
[01:38] <bolamix> yup i tried to install qt on warty, now i'm on hoary and haven't tried again
[01:38] <bolamix> but i failed miserably on warty, to many things to compile and i didn't know where to find the programs i installed afterwards
[01:38] <bolamix> *too
[01:38] <dtudosie> I have compiled the 0.3.5...
[01:39] <dtudosie> well I remember I have installed some dev thing before it worked...
[01:39] <bolamix> k so it's feasible obviously... i probably need a little more in-depth understanding of how linux works :p
[01:40] <dtudosie> dcgui however, is installing ok (fast from synaptic) but I could not use it...
[01:40] <azad> hey there
[01:40] <WeirdAl> Right, torrents...
[01:41] <WeirdAl> Can I run a torrent from the console?
[01:41] <azad> what do i have to download if i want java?
[01:41] <dtudosie> no too gnome-like... to many features.. difficult to use....
[01:41] <HappyPills> I'm performing the upgrade to hoary atm
[01:41] <WeirdAl> e.g. torrent ~/torrents/something.torrent ~/torrents/something/
[01:41] <WeirdAl> And then it'll just do it there.
[01:42] <HappyPills> when it finishes downloading will I have to start closing applications? I'm not sure
[01:42] <dtudosie> azad: I've doenloaded the .bin from sun and converted it to debian package... then installed it...
[01:42] <alterim> is there any way to make su - work in ubuntu?
[01:43] <alterim> instead of having to use root terminal
[01:43] <azad> yes.. you need to set a pass alterim
[01:43] <azad> you can use sudo, too
[01:43] <azad> dtudosie: i'll try that
[01:44] <dtudosie> azad: found somewhere on the web the steps.. probably you'll find them too.. I don't remember the details...
[01:44] <azad> well.. i think i can unpack it since it's a rpm and alien it then
[01:45] <dabugas> i'm off
[01:45] <dabugas> bye all
[01:45] <dtudosie> ok: tha last try with epson printing... does it ring a bell to anybody ?
[01:45] <[nrx] > hi.
[01:46] <azad> hm.. no dtudosie
[01:46] <goldfish> you can install java from the .bin aswell
[01:46] <azad> i can?
[01:46] <dtudosie> ok azad, thanks anyway for the answer...
[01:46] <goldfish> yeah
[01:46] <[nrx] > anyone fancy giving me a hand with a postfix problem?
[01:46] <goldfish> azad: instructions are on ubuntuguide.org
[01:46] <goldfish> azad: cant remember off-hand
[01:46] <azad> hmh
[01:47] <azad> okay, i'll have a look there too
[01:47] <azad> I'm learning.. there might be some day in far future when i'll be able to get my ATI working :)
[01:47] <goldfish> :)
[01:48] <dtudosie> ok, see you guys... one last (off topic) question: anybody run into software cost evaluation ? (I'm looking for some info on that filed)
[01:49] <[nrx] > anyone come accross this error message... "postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Unknown error 4294936318"?
[01:51] <dtudosie> timeout (on the off-topic question): by
[01:51] <Kazuhiro> any one know of some good guides to setting up a 32bit chroot on ubuntu?
[01:53] <[nrx] > no ideas? :/
[01:54] <WeirdAl> When I install xine, it doesn't appear in the menu until I reboot... how to I force just the menu to reset?
[01:55] <Rocha> WeirdAl, you can simply log in and out again
[01:55] <oly> um, help please i just rebooted my puter and now net dont work, i can ping my router but not the modem, works fine in windows and on other computers
[01:55] <Quinn_Storm> WeirdAl: pkill -SIGUSR1 gnome-panel
[01:55] <oly> so i am a bit stumped as to, why its stopped working on that, computer in hoary
[01:55] <WeirdAl> I'll do the log-out-log-in thing
[01:55] <oly> any suggestions ?
[01:55] <WeirdAl> thx
[01:56] <manager> anyone else having problems with the new intel HD-audio chipset? (azalia) :s
[01:56] <Seveas> oly, are you using shcp?
[01:57] <xf__> hi, is there any known issues with VP_IDE (via ide) support with the default hoary kernel/initrd?
[01:57] <CappO> hello, i just installed the ubuntu hoary preview on my laptop, now at startup the laptop hangs at starting hotplug subsytem, anyone an idea ?
[01:57] <xf__> i'm getting "Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" on a system with via ide ports.  kernel doesn't even appear to see the hard drives.
[01:57] <xf__> this is hoary.  warty sees it fine.
[01:58] <selinium_> Hi guys, I have installed apache and php4.3.10 using synaptic. I thought php4.3.* contianed the GD library.... but it does not show in the Ubuntu installed version. ANy idea why?
[01:59] <Seveas> selinium_, apt-get install php4-gd
[01:59] <Seveas> and php4-gd2 for gd2 support
[02:00] <Seveas> CappO, hangs, or just takes a very long time?
[02:00] <selinium_> Cheers Seveas!
[02:00] <Seveas> xf__, have you tried the latest live and/or installer cd's?
[02:00] <CappO> no hangs, does nothing at all
[02:00] <CappO> i can wait all day, and nothing comes
[02:00] <Seveas> CappO, any special h/w plugged in?
[02:01] <Seveas> try booting into safe mode, that should give more output (so more clues to what can be done)
[02:01] <CappO> erm i only have my wifi pcmcia card plugged in and my cdrom is pludgged in
[02:01] <Seveas> try withot the pcmcia card (should not matter, but you never know)
[02:01] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[02:01] <Seveas> hi
[02:02] <CappO> i even installed as following: linux pci=noacpi, cuz i read something about that on the forum
[02:02] <CappO> but didnt help
[02:02] <CappO> i'll try recovery mode
[02:02] <Seveas> that has nothing to do with hotplug
[02:02] <Seveas> please try boting into safe mode and see what errors hotplug gives you
[02:02] <CappO> ok
[02:02] <CappO> will do
[02:02] <Seveas> good luck
[02:02] <CappO> thank you
[02:03] <xf__> Seveas: this is what i'm using
[02:03] <[nrx] > any suggestions, also, on getting the Device Manager working without firing up and crapping out straight away.
[02:04] <selinium_> Seveas: THanks, works like a dream! you star
[02:04] <Seveas> [nrx] , try launching hal-device-manager from a terminal and see if it gives errors
[02:04] <[nrx] > yeah, loads of them lol
[02:05] <[nrx] > s'ok. i need to wait till i've fixed my postfix problem before i dabble with that
[02:05] <Seveas> [nrx] , can you paste these errors to some pastebin?
[02:05] <CappO> Seveas, now running in recovery mode, it does nothing at : starting hotplug subsystem, and i don't see anything more then when i was not in the recovery mode
[02:05] <azad> gnr
[02:06] <[nrx] > Seveas, thanks but I'll leave that particular problem for the moment.. unless you want to help me resolve a postfix problem
[02:06] <azad> isn't there a apt package to get java? not the development kit
[02:06] <Frafraxy> i would like put a splash screen in grub
[02:06] <Frafraxy> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[02:06] <Frafraxy> root		(hd0,0)
[02:06] <Frafraxy> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splashimage=/boot/grub/frag.xpm.gz
[02:06] <Frafraxy> initrd		/boot/initrd.img
[02:06] <Frafraxy> savedefault
[02:06] <Frafraxy> boot
[02:06] <Seveas> CappO, is it possible to try a livecd and see whether that works
[02:06] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't work
[02:06] <Seveas> Frafraxy, please don't paste in the channel...
[02:06] <Frafraxy> Seveas, excuse
[02:06] <Seveas> [nrx] , sorry, don'y know much about postfix, but i could give it a try
[02:06] <HappyPills> sweet, 35 minutes until the packages for hoary have downloaded
[02:07] <SysFail> you on a 9600 modem?
[02:07] <CappO> hmm
[02:07] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[02:07] <[nrx] > it seems to be a known problem... but with no solutions to resolve it
[02:07] <Seveas> azad, http://www.ubuntuguide.com for java instructions
[02:07] <CappO> gonna browse the forum a little more
[02:07] <azad> couldn't connect to remote server Seveas
[02:07] <SysFail> me either
[02:07] <Seveas> hmm, that's odd
[02:08] <azad> isn't there an apt packet?
[02:08] <[nrx] > dpk --configure postfix gives an error "Unknown Error 4294936318"
[02:08] <Seveas> then go to the forum and search for 'java install instructions'
[02:08] <Seveas> azad, no, due to legal issues with java
[02:08] <Seveas> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:08] <azad> mh..
[02:08] <azad> thanks
[02:09] <Seveas> [nrx] , is that all the output you get from dpkg?
[02:09] <sihen> could someone possible help me out with a dosbox problem?
[02:09] <[nrx] > there's more after that, but that's the gist of the error
[02:09] <Seveas> if so maybe tryin apt-get install --reinstall postfix will help
[02:09] <[nrx] > the rest stems from that problem
[02:09] <oly> where does ubuntu, block addresses, as this looks like what is happening ?
[02:09] <sihen> hello [nrx]  :)
[02:09] <[nrx] > Seveas, that gives the same error
[02:10] <CappO> Seveas, i read something about blacklisting the pci modules, when you load with a livecd, could this have anything to do with starting hotplug subsystem
[02:10] <[nrx] > i'm tried "newaliases" and all sorts.. changing permissions of the file and it doesn't work
[02:10] <kresten> Hi guys! How do I install from a .bin-file?
[02:10] <oly> why it woudl all of a sudden added itself is bejond me, but i can see no other reason
[02:10] <[nrx] > hi sihen
[02:10] <bolamix> woohoo after much tinkering i got my display to 1024*768... luverly
[02:10] <kbrooks> oly: ubuntu doesnt even block addresses
[02:10] <sdeppert> can someone help me with something?
[02:10] <Seveas> oly, what do you mean?
[02:11] <Seveas> kresten, depends on the program, usually running the bin file works
[02:11] <oly> what would be stopping it get paste a range though, for example if its on 192.168.2 i can access anything on that range
[02:11] <oly> but not get past it, to 192.168.1
[02:11] <Unipal> Please help, lots of dependency problems during install on Hoary on AMD64 with AMD64 ISO
[02:11] <oly> which is the modem
[02:11] <kbrooks> oly: firewall
[02:11] <oly> nope, no firewall in place
[02:11] <Seveas> sdeppert, maybem if you state your problem
[02:11] <kbrooks> oly: ubuntu doesnt block private addresses
[02:11] <sdeppert> well I cant add users or install drivers with out being in root how do I do that?
[02:11] <sihen> could someone possible help me out with a dosbox problem?
[02:11] <oly> i am using same connection on here and this is ubuntu
[02:11] <kbrooks> sdeppert: use sudo
[02:12] <oly> all i did was reboot my computer, and it stopped working
[02:12] <kresten> Seveas, how? Is there a special syntax? (I'm trying to install JDK5.0).
[02:12] <Seveas> oly, maybe you upgraded dhclient to a faulty version
[02:12] <sdeppert> will that work with installing flash?
[02:12] <kbrooks> oly: UBUNTU DOES NOT BLOCK PRIVATE ADDRESSES BECAUSE IT CANT
[02:12] <SysFail> www.java.com they have the linux installer and really good directions
[02:12] <Seveas> kresten, see www.ubuntuguide.org or the forums or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:12] <Seveas> kbrooks, don't shout please
[02:13] <Seveas> and Ubuntu can blick these
[02:13] <bolamix> guys, what OS should I choose for installing valknut dcgui? debian or source? i'm using hoary
[02:13] <kbrooks> dude.
[02:13] <Seveas> oly, there is a bug in the second-to-latest version of dhclient that stops dhclient from working...
[02:14] <kbrooks> Seveas: RFCs are the final say in this
[02:14] <Unipal> Please help, lots of dependency problems during install Hoary on AMD64 with AMD64 ISO
[02:14] <scoon> anyone here compile their own kernels and use ndiswrapper ?
[02:14] <Seveas> kbrooks, iptables (which Ubuntu uses) can block anything
[02:14] <Seveas> please give me an RFC that says it can't
[02:14] <kresten> Seveas, tnx.
[02:15] <Seveas> scoon, ndiswrapper is built into the ubuntu kernel... (as a module)
[02:15] <kbrooks> it can, but u cant just go and block private addresses without a firewall
[02:15] <[nrx] > Seveas, any other ideas?
[02:15] <sdeppert> this is the first time I used unbuntu is this a good easy distro to use?
[02:15] <Seveas> kbrooks, iptables IS the firewall
[02:15] <Seveas> [nrx] , sorry, not really
[02:15] <kbrooks> sdeppert: yes
[02:15] <[nrx] > ok
[02:15] <Seveas> sdeppert, yes :)
[02:15] <scoon> Seveas, not my question
[02:15] <[nrx] > th box seems to have locked up :o
[02:15] <scoon> Seveas, i roll my own kernels
[02:15] <Unipal> Does anybody run Hoary on AMD64?
[02:15] <sdeppert> thanks I used almost every one that you can think of
[02:15] <scoon> hence my question
[02:16] <Seveas> scoon, then what is the problem?
[02:16] <sdeppert> nope I just have an athlon xp
[02:16] <HappyPills> yes. a friend of mine does run Hoary on AMD64
[02:16] <Unipal> HappyPills, Please help, lots of dependency problems during install on Hoary on AMD64 with AMD64 ISO
[02:16] <scoon> Seveas, i am trying out ndiswrapper for my card to see if it will work better than the linux drivers out there.
[02:17] <scoon> i need to build ndiswrapper module and just wanted to see if someone else has done this b4
[02:17] <scoon> and if it is a worth while solution
[02:17] <HappyPills> I'm afraid I can't help, don't know enough about it. my friend just mentioned that he only uses Ubuntu for it's AMD64 compatibility
[02:17] <Seveas> ndiswrapper works fine for me (asus card, broadcom chip) both hand-made kernels and ubuntu ones
[02:17] <HappyPills> he actually can't stand linux based systems
[02:17] <sdeppert> does anyone know how to install ati drivers on here?
[02:17] <scoon> Seveas, so for your hand rolled kernels, how do you build the ndiswrapper module ?
[02:17] <Seveas> Unipal, if you give some more details, maybe people can actually help
[02:17] <Unipal> nobody is perfect :D
[02:17] <sdeppert> i'm not very familuar with the root command
[02:18] <Seveas> scoon, pfoo, that's a long time ago i did that...
[02:18] <sdeppert> not root sudo I mean
[02:18] <scoon> oh well
[02:18] <scoon> brute force it is then
[02:18] <scoon> thanks
[02:18] <scoon> anyway
[02:18] <Seveas> hand-made actually isn;t really hand made
[02:18] <Seveas> downloaded ubuntu kernel source and made some changes :)
[02:18] <scoon> Seveas, i roll my own kernels from kernel.org
[02:19] <scoon> use a couple of patchsets that i like
[02:19] <Unipal> the installation ends up with "unable to install initrd"
[02:19] <scoon> and work well for me.
[02:19] <Seveas> ah
[02:19] <scoon> don't want to use deb's
[02:19] <[nrx] > any way to recover a locked up box?
[02:19] <[nrx] > without rebooting
[02:19] <Unipal> before that I have a lot of dependency errors
[02:19] <Seveas> Unipal, what is the first error you get?
[02:20] <Seveas> scoon, you might try #ubuntu-kernel for advice, but usually it is quiet there, so you might have to wait a bit
[02:20] <Unipal> Seveas: I have a big messagefile. which one do you mean?
[02:20] <scoon> Seveas, eh.  thanks.  i will just do it on my own and see what happens. :)
[02:20] <Seveas> Unipal, the very first error you get usually indicetes where things start to go wrong
[02:20] <Seveas> scoon, good luck :o)
[02:21] <scoon> Seveas, thx
[02:22] <Unipal> Seveas: it starts with installing the programs with "ignoring pre-dependancy problems"
[02:23] <Seveas> Unipal, do you have a complete file with all the output?
[02:24] <jpizza> hi
[02:24] <Unipal> Seveas: yes, but on other machine
[02:24] <strongob> how can i configure apt-get to be used with a proxy?
[02:24] <Unipal> Seveas: the first fatal error is that there is no floppy
[02:24] <Dr_Acemaster> how come one can't copy and paste in xchat, the whole line, ie w/ the time stamp, or am I missing something?
[02:24] <Unipal> I don't have one installed
[02:24] <[nrx] > Dr_Acemaster, there's no reason why not
[02:25] <Dr_Acemaster> [nrx] : it only wants to select the text, and not the time stamp
[02:26] <Seveas> strongob, read the manpage :)
[02:26] <Seveas> Unipal, is it possible that you mail me this file?
[02:27] <Unipal> Seveas, I first going to look after the floppy problem
[02:28] <Seveas> no floppy available should not be fatal
[02:28] <Seveas> I have no floppy in my machine and it works fine
[02:28] <Unipal> Seveas, after that I will contact you. What is your email?
[02:28] <[nrx] > excuse my complete ignorance: How do I stop services etc starting at boottime?
[02:29] <[nrx] > same as usual?
[02:29] <Seveas> dennis@kaarsemaker.net
[02:29] <WeirdAl> Why won't Firefox's plugin finder do anything?
[02:29] <Seveas> [nrx] , chmod -x /etc/init.d/servive_name :)
[02:29] <smouche> Dr_Acemaster, I'm clueless about x-chat, and the time stamps aren't showing on my screen (don't want them to) but if you have logging enabled
[02:29] <smouche> you could copy from the log
[02:29] <[nrx] > Seveas, thanks :)
[02:29] <Unipal> Seveas, thanks!
[02:29] <Dr_Acemaster> smouche: I suppose that's an option
[02:29] <Seveas> [nrx] , do not try update-rc.d since that will be useless after an upgrade of the package :)
[02:30] <Dr_Acemaster> smouche: what irc client are you using?
[02:30] <smouche> x-chat, but like I said, I'm clueless
[02:30] <[nrx] > what is trashapplet?
[02:30] <oly> i just chucked in a live cd, can i login as root to the installed version ?
[02:30] <Seveas> the trashcan applet on your desktop
[02:30] <smouche> But I like keeping a link to the logs on the desktop
[02:30] <oly> so i can run updates
[02:30] <Seveas> in the bottom right corner
[02:31] <Hannes_> whoo
[02:32] <Hannes_> the new human-theme is nice++
[02:32] <Seveas> :)
[02:33] <[nrx] > Seveas, running about 8 processes?
[02:33] <Hannes_> the titlebar is nice
[02:33] <Hannes_> and so is the gdm-login
[02:33] <Seveas> [nrx] , that's odd
[02:33] <[nrx] > indeed
[02:33] <[nrx] > mind you, my install process was odd :)
[02:33] <Seveas> :)
[02:34] <Seveas> try kill-em-all :)
[02:34] <[nrx] > yeah lol
[02:34] <[nrx] > total stab in the dark.. anyone tried getting a DWL-G650+ wlan card working in ubuntu?
[02:34] <netmonk> how do I format a partition under ubuntu?
[02:35] <HappyPills> parted
[02:35] <Absenth> is warty able to mount ntfs on the default install?
[02:35] <HappyPills> I think can do it
[02:35] <Seveas> Absenth, yes
[02:36] <nmsa> netmonk: mkfs.ext3
[02:36] <Hannes_> [nrx] : tried ndiswrapper?
[02:36] <HappyPills> oooh, forgot about that one
[02:36] <Absenth> Seveas, danke.
[02:36] <[nrx] > Hannes_, not as yet
[02:36] <Hannes_> my DWL-510 works with it
[02:36] <[nrx] > haven't started playing yet
[02:36] <Seveas> Absenth, but (as all linuxes) read-only
[02:36] <Hannes_> just have to use realtek drivers :P?
[02:36] <Hannes_> -?
[02:36] <Seveas> ntfs write support is only possible with expensive commercial stuff
[02:36] <Absenth> Seveas, no problem.  I just want to archive an old "my documents" directory.
[02:36] <Hannes_> *edited raltek drivers
[02:37] <netmonk> nsmsa, and where do I set which partition?
[02:37] <[nrx] > lspci throws out a pile of crap ;o
[02:38] <nmsa> netmonk: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc3 ... for example, to format the hdc3 partition
[02:39] <netmonk> nmsa, thank you
[02:40] <nmsa> u r welcome
[02:41] <black_Nightmare> could someone tell me what could be wrong here? ... was running the hoary preview installer on my pc and....
[02:41] <HappyPills> I thought ntfs write support was possible by scanning a windows xp partition and installing the native windows drivers...
[02:42] <HappyPills> 10 minutes before Hoary starts installing for me
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> as soon as it gets to the 'ubuntu base system' bar [or something]  it sits at 0% for a while then error-warns that it can't find the cdrom or a mirror
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> any idea whats with that? ^
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> I tried restart the installion twice and tried 'copy packages to hd' once .. both came to same error
[02:43] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, that could be a defective CD, try burning one at very low speed
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> sevas... 16x ?
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> thats what it was already burned at
[02:44] <St0n3-C0l> 4x :P
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> hmm tell you what..let me abort the setup and try the livecd cdr and see... since its from same burner and brand...brb :p
[02:44] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, yes indeed
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> *yanks out vga cable to plug to my pc*
[02:45] <St0n3-C0l> I burned my CD at 4x :P bcoz my CD-RW speed is 8x :
[02:45] <Seveas> i dont know why los speed is neccessary sometimes (i burned the cd's at 48x) but it has been reported to help
[02:45] <Jesterace> better quality burn sometimes
[02:46] <Jesterace> i burn dvd's at a slower speed
[02:46] <Seveas> just buy a good burner :o)
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> Your system cannot afford that much speed :P
[02:46] <aroooo> I burn dvd's at 8x and cd's at 16x even though I could burn both faster
[02:46] <aroooo> slower burns are better burns
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> aroooo: I agree!
[02:46] <Jesterace> heh i have a 16x dvd-rw drive
[02:46] <Jesterace> and a 8x dvd-rw drive
[02:47] <aroooo> plus I am not in some huge hurry
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> both are dvd-rw ?
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:47] <scullder> b'jour tout le monde
[02:47] <Jesterace> both are dual-layer rw
[02:47] <Jesterace> one in each machine
[02:47] <scullder> bon j'ai un problme depuis que j'ai fait des mises  jour hier
[02:47] <Seveas> b'jour monsieur ou madame scullder
[02:47] <aroooo> if there is not time to do something right, theres not time to do it
[02:47] <scullder> euuh sorry
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> Jerterace: Lend me one :P
[02:47] <Seveas> scullder, we do speak english in here...
[02:47] <Jesterace> St0n3-C0l: hehe
[02:48] <bodhi> hi, whick package should i download to install a new kernel? I mean linux-image-X.X.X but anything else?
[02:48] <aroooo> 696
[02:48] <Seveas> bodhi, are you on mac or intel?
[02:48] <aroooo> or 686-smp
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> 686 ?
[02:48] <aroooo> yea
[02:48] <Seveas> just install linux-d8d
[02:48] <aroooo> 686
[02:48] <Seveas> 686
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:48] <Seveas> or linux--ppc
[02:48] <bodhi> intel
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> I installed linux-image-2.6.11 and guess what ;)
[02:48] <bodhi> 686
[02:49] <Seveas> or linux-686-smp (for P4 with hyperthreading or multi-processors)
[02:49] <Seveas> well than, just install linux-686
[02:49] <aroooo> thats what im using
[02:49] <St0n3-C0l> when I boot into GNOME my system got freeze
[02:49] <Seveas> and it will be kept up-to-date
[02:49] <bodhi> p4 without hyper
[02:49] <Seveas> linux-686 it is :o)
[02:50] <bodhi> ok, ty
[02:50] <claint> a'right. i am now hoary. and there are alot more updates now
[02:50] <claint> ! '-p
[02:51] <St0n3-C0l> good :P
[02:51] <bodhi> how can i block a package in apt?
[02:51] <bodhi> i mean a package i dont want to update anymore
[02:52] <St0n3-C0l> so just don't touch that :P
[02:52] <CB201> hey guys, I have a quick question: is there a way I can force a program to open in windowed mode via the terminal?
[02:53] <CB201> or am I stuck running all my games, etc. fullscreen? ;-)
[02:53] <Seveas> bodhi, read the man page for apt
[02:54] <netmonk> does anyone know if with waht program I can listen online radio in Ubuntu?
[02:54] <bolamix> hi again
[02:54] <smouche> bodhi, if you have synaptic package manager, there's a command to "lock package" in the package menu.  that might be the easiest, but I haven't tried it.
[02:54] <xvlun> netmonk, rhythmbox
[02:54] <Seveas> netmonk, totem with xine as backend
[02:54] <_d4vid> hi all
[02:54] <bolamix> getting the following error while trying to ./configure a prog: "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
[02:54] <bolamix> anyone knows what i can do to correct this?
[02:54] <xvlun> a.k.a. Musicplayer in your multimedia menu
[02:54] <Seveas> bolamix, apt-get install build-essential
[02:54] <bodhi> ok, ty Seveas and smouche
[02:54] <smouche> Bodhi:  sorry-- it's "lock version"
[02:55] <bolamix> ah sweet thx seveas
[02:55] <Seveas> CB201, depends on the program
[02:55] <rowanjl> I just did my first install of 4.10, so far everything has gone wrong.
[02:55] <Seveas> rowanjl, that's not good
[02:56] <rowanjl> The first thing, tried to login as the user created during setup, gnome couldn't write anything to the home dir, so I chmoded and chowned the users dir
[02:56] <Seveas> if it has gone so wrong that you want to retry completely, you could try Hoary
[02:56] <Seveas> rowanjl, was it owned by root?
[02:56] <bolamix> seveas : "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:56] <bolamix> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[02:56] <rowanjl> I don't know, but that worked.
[02:56] <St0n3-C0l> bolamix: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:56] <Seveas> bolamix, you cannot run apt-get / synaptic / update-manager at the same time
[02:57] <bolamix> oops that was it then
[02:57] <Seveas> probably one of them is running already
[02:57] <bolamix> i just closed synaptic
[02:57] <oly> okay, things are gettin silly now, i have got 3 netowrk cards install they all work with the live cd except wifi one, which needs extra software
[02:57] <bolamix> thx
[02:57] <rowanjl> There are no icons on the gnome desktop, and for some reason only about 2 of the fonts work
[02:57] <netmonk> thanks, Seveas and xvlun
[02:57] <Seveas> rowanjl, maybe your install cd was bad
[02:57] <oly> yet in hoary, i can not ping past the router, so there must be some software thats causing this
[02:57] <Seveas> these things happen if the cd is bad
[02:57] <rowanjl> hmmr
[02:58] <Seveas> oly
[02:58] <rowanjl> Should I delete the user and start over?
[02:58] <bic> hallo, i have just adjusted my display by xvidtune, but how can make the settings permanent, so i couldnt need to make it every start?
[02:58] <oly> yep
[02:58] <Seveas> rowanjl, maybe it's best to completely start over
[02:58] <Seveas> other things might have gone wrong
[02:58] <rowanjl> :/
[02:58] <Seveas> oly, can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere
[02:58] <bolamix> noob question: how do you get up one directory in terminal?
[02:59] <rowanjl> If I start over, its not going to change anything
[02:59] <smouche> rowanjl, Seveas is right; I had all kinds of install problems till I set my burner to the slowest speed possible.  I think ubuntu likes a very slow burn...
[02:59] <oly> um, maybe give me a sec, depends if i can get it of that machine :p
[02:59] <Seveas> rowanjl, indeed
[02:59] <Seveas> you need a new cd
[02:59] <rowanjl> smouche, this is a cd I had sent to me from you guys :)
[02:59] <Seveas> burn it slowly (say 4x)
[02:59] <Seveas> owww
[02:59] <SysFail> i burned it at 42x
[02:59] <Seveas> that is more
[02:59] <Seveas> odd
[02:59] <rowanjl> It would take me weeks to actually download an ISO
[02:59] <Seveas> SysFail, i burned at 48x without a hickup, but some people are not that lucky
[02:59] <smouche> bolamix, "cd .."
[03:00] <rowanjl> So I ordered a few CDs one to keep and a few to hand out
[03:00] <Seveas> rowanjl, does the livecd work?
[03:00] <sdeppert> does anyone know how to install flashplayer on this thing?
[03:00] <rowanjl> Seveas, yeah
[03:00] <Seveas> sdeppert, goto http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <sdeppert> ok
[03:01] <Seveas> rowanjl, then maybe erasing your ubuntu installation and starting over can help
[03:01] <St0n3-C0l> sdeppert: Flashplugin ?
[03:01] <waltermh> i have a 24x cd burner and i couldnt burn it at 24x without error before in debian or fedora, havent tried it where i am now, but i think k3b which i use just doesnt handle buffer underrun protection well
[03:01] <rowanjl> Seveas, I have done this twice now
[03:01] <sdeppert> yeah
[03:01] <Seveas> both times the same error>
[03:01] <sdeppert> it wont let me install it
[03:01] <rowanjl> Seveas, yeah
[03:01] <smouche> heh, well, I'm not one of "you guys", rowanjl, and maybe "them guys" burned it wrong    ;-)
[03:01] <St0n3-C0l> sdeppert: apt-get install flashplugin
[03:01] <Seveas> rowanjl, have you explicitely erased your installation before the second attempt?
[03:01] <St0n3-C0l> there are two flashplugins
[03:02] <rowanjl> heh, got an axe? :)
[03:02] <sdeppert> sweet
[03:02] <rowanjl> Seveas, the last one was on another hard drive
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> one is non-free and another one is flashplugin
[03:02] <Clarinet> hello
[03:02] <sdeppert> thanks
[03:02] <bic> hallo, i have just adjusted my display by xvidtune, but how can i make the settings permanent?
[03:02] <rowanjl> I'm going on a burner hunt
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> NP get anyone of them
[03:02] <Clarinet> guys is ubuntu stable for webserver stuffs ?
[03:02] <Seveas> rowanjl, than i'm out of options :S order some hoary cd's in a few weeks, maybe you have more luck with those
[03:03] <Seveas> Clarinet, definitely yes
[03:03] <rowanjl> I'll probably have to go back to fedora for a few weeks then
[03:03] <CB201> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:03] <rowanjl> Thanks for the... eh... talking :)
[03:03] <bolamix> goodness me, i'd never managed to have the "make" command work before.... awesome
[03:03] <Seveas> :)
[03:04] <rowanjl> See you later
[03:04] <MadHadron> Good heavens.  I haven't been in a channel this full in years...
[03:04] <Seveas> lol MadHadron
[03:04] <bolamix> lol
[03:04] <Seveas> just be glad that not everybody is talking at the same time
[03:04] <bolamix> i haven't been on IRC at all for years
[03:04] <MadHadron> I mean, I knew there was a community, but when my client scrolls through two screens to print the member list.
[03:05] <MadHadron> bolamix, I have to admit the same, but even when I Was I was in small channels mostly.
[03:05] <Clarinet> Seveas, because i`m going to run website spider , so what do you think ?
[03:05] <Seveas> MadHadron, that is just the tip of the iceberg
[03:05] <bolamix> i like this ubuntu community already
[03:05] <Seveas> i don't know website spider but ubuntu is very suitable as a webserver os
[03:05] <Seveas> Clarinet, if you want no gui stuff installed, then install with the server option :)
[03:06] <Seveas> that gives you ubuntu-base and some server stuff i believe
[03:06] <bolamix> my first linux install (3 days old) and already I get nice & friendly help... wow
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> ok I'm stuck at one dialog..it says linux-i386 linux-preview-i386 and linux-preview-2.10??-i386 something
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> which three choice should I use?
[03:06] <MadHadron> bolamix, Is this unusual?
[03:06] <Seveas> bolamix, that really depends on who is in the channel :)
[03:06] <alterim> can someone help me with ndiswrapper?
[03:06] <WeirdAl> OK my DVD playback sucks :-(
[03:06] <WeirdAl> it's jerky, like a badly-encoded DivX
[03:06] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, skipping?
[03:06] <Clarinet> Seveas, so whats Ubuntu and Kubuntu ?
[03:06] <bolamix> seveas: well i'm a lucky n00b then :D
[03:06] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, neither
[03:06] <WeirdAl> Mad: yeah
[03:06] <Seveas> you need 686
[03:06] <WeirdAl> But only the video
[03:07] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, you might try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> seveas...there's only three choice or 'go back'
[03:07] <Seveas> Clarinet, kubuntu is ubuntu, but with kde instead of gnome
[03:07] <sdeppert>  i tried to install the flash plugin and it says that that version is obsolete
[03:07] <MadHadron> (Though I might check that command against the manpage if I were you)
[03:07] <WeirdAl> ok.
[03:07] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, which verison of ubuntu do you have?
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> seveas.. hoary preview
[03:07] <Seveas> have you enabled the internet repositories?
[03:07] <Clarinet> Seveas Arabic support ?
[03:08] <alterim> can someone tell me the easiest way to access a floppy from ubuntu?
[03:08] <Seveas> Clarinet, don't know about that
[03:08] <smouche> Clarinet, Kubuntu is awesome.  (as is gnome Ubuntu, but tastes differ)
[03:08] <WeirdAl> Also, if I play from the beginning the sound is out of sync, but if I skip ahead to the same place the sound is fine.
[03:08] <Seveas> alterim, use mtools
[03:08] <Seveas> see the manpages for mcopy, mcd, mdir
[03:08] <MadHadron> Clarinet, Probably.  Search for arabic in aptitude
[03:08] <sdeppert> Is ther another way to get flash plugins to work
[03:08] <Seveas> or in a gui: i think nautilus can handle them :)
[03:08] <alterim> i want to save a few .debs from within xp firefox onto floppy
[03:08] <Clarinet> ok
[03:08] <black_Nightmare> sevas...so...which three should I pick?  I don't want to have to click 'go back' :p
[03:08] <MadHadron> sdeppert, Go to Macromedia's site, and install the plugin
[03:08] <alterim> then use them within linux
[03:08] <Clarinet> thank you guys
[03:08] <Clarinet> cya
[03:08] <alterim> the easiest and quickest way!
[03:09] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, have you enabled internet repositories?
[03:09] <Seveas> alterim, the easiest way is mounting your windows partitions
[03:09] <MadHadron> alterim, Is you floppy already formatted and everything?
[03:09] <sdeppert> I tried that but it wont let me install it
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> sevas..dunno only seen partitioner then ubuntu base installion [where I'm still sitting at now I think] 
[03:09] <WeirdAl> MadHadron, there's -d in man dor hdparm but no -1
[03:09] <WeirdAl> for
[03:09] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, ah ok, you're installing it now?
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> yeah
[03:10] <Seveas> install either, they're the same
[03:10] <WeirdAl> Also, the DVD drive is /dev/hdc.
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> okie ty
[03:10] <Seveas> but you MUST upgrade after installing ubuntu :)
[03:10] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Alright.  I don't use hdparm more than once in a blue moon.
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> brb *yanks vga cable once again*
[03:10] <kbrooks> Seveas: wtf?
[03:10] <Seveas> kbrooks, ?
[03:10] <kbrooks> Seveas: upgrade to WHAT
[03:11] <Jesterace> black_Nightmare needs a kvm :P
[03:11] <Seveas> kbrooks, on 686, you should install a 686 kernel :)
[03:11] <WeirdAl> Oh I see. The 1 turns it on.
[03:11] <pao> hi all :-)
[03:11] <Seveas> but the install cd only has 386 kernels
[03:11] <bolamix> "configure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package" <<<< any idea where to find this? too many diff links on google o_O
[03:11] <pao> how I set phone preferences for kde appls?
[03:11] <MadHadron> bolamix, apt-get install libbz-dev
[03:11] <kbrooks> Seveas: you are ALL wrong
[03:11] <bolamix> thx again
[03:11] <bolamix> << humbled
[03:11] <pao> I've just installed eric and kphone...
[03:12] <pao> but they have huge, big menu fonts...
[03:12] <Seveas> kbrooks, do you care to elaborate on that?
[03:12] <pao> How do I change those...
[03:12] <kbrooks> bolamix: search for the right terms
[03:12] <pao> ?
[03:12] <kbrooks> Seveas: i will, in a sec
[03:12] <CB201> does anyone know how to make my terminal window transparent?
[03:12] <kbrooks> bolamix: you want to search 'bzlib devel package'
[03:13] <selinium_> HI guys, numpty question coming up.... What is the location of the disk drive?
[03:13] <lindo> lol
[03:13] <burn> what
[03:13] <Seveas> selinium_, inside your computers casing i think :)
[03:13] <oly> okay, Seveas http://www.d0t.co.uk/interfaces.txt i have put the file there so you can look
[03:13] <bolamix> thx kbrooks, i did search for this, but i get lots of .rpm packages... anyway managed to find it thru synaptics
[03:14] <selinium_> Seveas: i was waiting for that! as in the path. Would help if i asked the right question!
[03:14] <Seveas> :)
[03:14] <burn> selinium_, depends on the device
[03:14] <Seveas> selinium_, there are several possibilities there
[03:14] <Seveas> indeed, which device do you mean
[03:14] <selinium_> burn: the disk drive, a la A:\ in windows
[03:14] <kbrooks> bolamix: if you want to search for a certain package on google, then 'debian ... package' (fill in '...') should do
[03:14] <Seveas> selinium_, the floppy drive
[03:15] <burn> selinium_, yikes
[03:15] <selinium_> floppyu drive
[03:15] <Seveas> that's /dev/fd0
[03:15] <WeirdAl> Much smoother now, Mad, thanks.
[03:15] <burn> /dev/fd0 usually
[03:15] <Seveas> or /dev/floppy
[03:15] <oly> that file looks okay to me, does not look like theres anything that would stop my computer getting past the router
[03:15] <pao> solved it... installed kcontrol...
[03:15] <WeirdAl> Sound is still out of sync though :-(
[03:15] <burn> but you really need to read a *nix primer
[03:15] <selinium_> Cheers guys...
[03:15] <selinium_> ?me hangs his head in shame
[03:15] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Glad to help.  I had the same problem.
[03:15] <EfaistOs> why icant create an audio cd usign mp3 with k3B ?
[03:16] <kbrooks> oly: ubuntu's sponsor does not block any private ports you have
[03:16] <Seveas> oly, can you paste the output of ifconfig -a there too
[03:16] <oly> okay, yeah it may not, but somethin =g on the puter is stopping it none the less :p
[03:16] <kbrooks> oly: errrr, substitute ports with ip addresses
[03:16] <burn> selinium_, only time and diligent use of non windows will changes that
[03:16] <Seveas> kbrooks, i'm still curious about why i was wrong
[03:16] <bolamix> i hardly dare report the next error....... "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[03:16] <kbrooks> Seveas: ty for reminding me
[03:17] <oly> i new what ya ment, its either an update or something that was installed :p
[03:17] <kbrooks> Seveas: hold  on
[03:17] <projectmayhem> anyone here use kubuntu?
[03:17] <MadHadron> selenium, Don't erase it, just let it go out of date.
[03:17] <Seveas> bolamix, apt-get install xlibs-dev
[03:17] <Seveas> bolamix, which application are you trying to compile?
[03:17] <MadHadron> selenium, That's what I did --- about eight years of just free software now, and my friends don't ask me for Windows help anymore. (:
[03:17] <selinium_> burn: I have refused to boot in windows for 2 months now. Only having to revert to use some graphics packages.
[03:17] <bolamix> seveas: amazing
[03:18] <bolamix> i'm trying to install dcgui-qt
[03:18] <MadHadron> bolamix, You need the development libs for X
[03:18] <bolamix> missing various libraries apparently
[03:18] <selinium_> MadHadron: Fabulous, I have spent too much time with 'friends' brocken PC's littering my office!
[03:18] <bolamix> currently installing this
[03:18] <Seveas> bolamix, dcgui-qt is in the repositories!
[03:18] <kbrooks> Seveas: ok, you CAN have 386 and 686
[03:18] <MadHadron> bolamix, Ubuntu, for space reasons, doesn't come with the dev packages by default.
[03:18] <kbrooks> Seveas: kernel/comp
[03:18] <Seveas> kbrooks, of course you can
[03:18] <kbrooks> and vice versa
[03:18] <Seveas> i didn;t say you cannot
[03:19] <Seveas> but on 686 you dhould use 686 kernels
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[03:19] <kbrooks> Seveas: why?
[03:19] <oly> okay, Seveas http://www.d0t.co.uk/ifconfig.txt
[03:19] <Seveas> the optimizations using 686 instructions are useful
[03:19] <oly> got that one to, now
[03:19] <WeirdAl> Can anyone tell me why my sound is delayed when playing a movie?
[03:19] <WeirdAl> DVD, DivX, anything really.
[03:19] <projectmayhem> can anyone help me with a KDE problem? i seem to have lost my "minimized windows" bar and my desktops bar... :-/
[03:19] <Seveas> kbrooks, because otherwise you do not use the full capacity of your processor
[03:19] <TarGit> anyone got Enemy Territory working on AMD64?
[03:19] <WeirdAl> It seems to be in sync if I skip straight to some point in the movie, but if I play it from the beginning it's not in sync.
[03:19] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Running the default GNOME?
[03:20] <WeirdAl> Yeh
[03:20] <EfaistOs> how to make a cd audio with gnome application ?
[03:20] <WeirdAl> On Hoary
[03:20] <mjr> WeirdAl, that might be a gstreamer problem, try switching to totem-xine
[03:20] <javiolo> any help with samba ?
[03:20] <WeirdAl> I'm using Xine.
[03:20] <WeirdAl> I uninstalled gstreamer
[03:20] <mjr> WeirdAl, okay, then it's not :)
[03:20] <WeirdAl> :-0
[03:20] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:21] <Seveas> oly, are you sure hoary ifup gets the mapping right?
[03:21] <lindo> Anyone got Enemy Territory working on AMD 64 ?
[03:21] <oly> no idea, Seveas
[03:21] <projectmayhem> uh WeirdAl try watching it on kaffeine or amaroK instead?
[03:21] <BuffaloSoldier> EfaistOs: you can try Graveman or Gnomebaker
[03:21] <oly> it used to if it dont now
[03:21] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, I remember issues under warty from time to time with DVDs going out of sync in the sound, but I always just paused and played them.
[03:22] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Yes, try different players.  vlc's another one to check.
[03:22] <Seveas> oly, can i PM you, i think that's better now it's getting crowded :)
[03:22] <oly> cuz like i say it was working this morning, and a reboot broke it :p
[03:22] <oly> yeah sure
[03:22] <projectmayhem> WeirdAl actually i think amaroK only does audio, scratch that...
[03:22] <projectmayhem> WeirdAl mplayer maybe as well
[03:23] <burn> why is the hoary-updates repository commented out by default in hoary?
[03:23] <Unreal02> hello everybody
[03:23] <goldfish> hi
[03:23] <burn> the comments say it for major post release bug fixes - seems like it should be active by default
[03:23] <projectmayhem> burn great question. just uncomment it and ignore the ignorance...
[03:23] <WeirdAl> OK I'll try them ... let's have a look.
[03:23] <Unreal02> He Echylo, leuk een keer een andere belg te zien
[03:23] <Seveas> burn, because it is not yet active
[03:24] <Echylo> hehe :)
[03:24] <Seveas> using it would give errors
[03:24] <Echylo> #ubuntu-nl
[03:24] <Echylo> zitten er daar geen? :p
[03:24] <burn> hmm
[03:24] <projectmayhem> burn do you know if there is a multiverse repository for hoary?
[03:24] <Unreal02> i would like to use ubuntu on a slower pc, do you guys know any tricks to tweak gnome ?
[03:24] <Echylo> there is a guide
[03:24] <Unreal02> so it uses lesser RAM, or just starts faster
[03:24] <burn> projectmayhem, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse works for me
[03:24] <Echylo> unreal what kinde of pc you have?
[03:25] <bajas_76> Has anybody got php4 and apache2 working with hoary?
[03:25] <bolamix> (15:18:30) Seveas: bolamix, dcgui-qt is in the repositories! <<<< do you have time to explain please?
[03:25] <projectmayhem> Unreal02 just turn off anything fancy graphically. gnome is pretty fast and not that flashy compared to KDE
[03:25] <Echylo> if you use the simple theme
[03:25] <bolamix> currently getting an error with dclib on ./configure
[03:25] <Unreal02> now i'm using a P4 but i want to use ubuntu on a pentium 2 +-300Mhz, 128RAM
[03:25] <Echylo> it runs smooth here on a pII mmx 433mhz and 192ram
[03:25] <bogus-> it's not dcgui-qt anymore!!
[03:26] <bolamix> " DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path." <<< how can i find the correct path?
[03:26] <bogus-> it's valknut nowadays
[03:26] <bolamix> yup it's valknut, i know that
[03:26] <Bazzi> bolamix locate libdc
[03:26] <projectmayhem> Unreal02 yeah, just be really specific about not using any graphical features that will slow down your pc. gnome shouldn't give you any problems
[03:26] <Seveas> bolamix, just apt-get install dcgui-qt
[03:26] <bolamix> downloaded the valknut package, trying to install
[03:26] <Seveas> you don't neat to manually compile it
[03:26] <Echylo> although projectmayhem, the compositing works here too (shadows)
[03:26] <bolamix> i don't? damn
[03:26] <Unreal02> in windows you can disable or clean up the startup entries of the reg,
[03:26] <Unreal02> isn't this possible in gnome ?
[03:26] <bolamix> it sucks being a noob :p
[03:27] <MadHadron> Unreal, It should run just fine on such a machine.
[03:27] <Echylo> yup
[03:27] <bolamix> "E: Couldn't find package dcgui-qt"
[03:27] <projectmayhem> Echylo wow really. that's surprising. I guess ubuntu is just that fast and light!
[03:27] <Seveas> bolamix, enable universe
[03:27] <Echylo> yea
[03:27] <Echylo> don't say he's fast then
[03:27] <Echylo> but I can work with it
[03:27] <WeirdAl> Oh, I should also point out that I get sound out of sync when I use xmms as well.
[03:27] <Echylo> so :)
[03:27] <javiolo> anyone have experience with webmin ?
[03:27] <MadHadron> bolamix, It's time for my compulsory response: when I was a newbie, we spent two months trying to make X work on Trident VLB cards!
[03:27] <Unreal02> and where can i disable all of that eye-candy ?
[03:28] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, How does xmms get out of sync?  It's audio only, isn't it?
[03:28] <WeirdAl> Well it's out of sync with the controls
[03:28] <bolamix> Seveas: bolamix, enable universe <<< um sorry, how do i do this?
[03:28] <Echylo> javiolo throw it away :p
[03:28] <Echylo> edit the conf files :p
[03:28] <WeirdAl> So I press next, and then half a second later the next song actually starts.
[03:28] <WeirdAl> I tried changing the buffer length but it wasn't htat.
[03:28] <WeirdAl> that
[03:29] <Seveas> bolamix, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <Seveas> they are in there, but commented out
[03:29] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Well, in xmms you might have the Crossfade plugin on, but if it's everywhere, then I have to wonder if it's esd being screwy.
[03:30] <zyga>  WeirdAl: try different audio-out plugin
[03:30] <MadHadron> Seveas, Actually I just discovered that synaptic has a nice interface to adding the repositories as well.
[03:30] <projectmayhem> anyone been able to get w32codecs installed in hoary?
[03:30] <zyga> WeirdAl: alsa has the best response time for me, esd lags a second
[03:30] <MadHadron> project, Yes.
[03:30] <Echylo> U need repo marillion no?
[03:30] <Vjaz> Bah, is there still no user interface for modifying the menus in Gnome 2.10 / Hoary?
[03:30] <Seveas> MadHadron, i always forget gui things, /me is a terminal fan :)
[03:30] <projectmayhem> MadHadron did you just apt-get it?
[03:30] <MadHadron> project, Get the essential-codecs package from mplayerhq, and put all the files therein in /usr/lib/win32
[03:30] <Echylo> vjaz on the wiki there exists a little how to
[03:30] <MadHadron> project, No, I didn't check if it was in marrilat.
[03:30] <Echylo> Vjaz and some programs
[03:31] <zyga> Vjaz: it's under development as I heard
[03:31] <projectmayhem> madhadron thanks thanks
[03:31] <MadHadron> Seveas, I discovered it while helping someone.
[03:31] <Echylo> on the wiki of ubuntu there are 3 programs to edit the menu with
[03:31] <Vjaz> Echylo: I know how to make a .desktop-file, but I would really rather have some proper interface for it...
[03:31] <Echylo> only I need to get them working :p
[03:31] <bolamix> got universe enabled, thx
[03:31] <Vjaz> zyga: Ok... it should be. :-P
[03:31] <MadHadron> Seveas, My default environment is larswm, which just about classifies me.
[03:31] <Echylo> well look at those programs then
[03:31] <projectmayhem> hey... this is gonna sound really lame, but how do you use wine? I installed it but don't know how to get programs to run in it...
[03:32] <Echylo> wine 'test.exe'
[03:32] <Vjaz> I liked it how I could just right click on the menu and tell it to add a new entry in Gnome 2.8.
[03:32] <zyga> projectmayhem: associate .exe with wine and just click on .exe files ;] 
[03:32] <MadHadron> project, Or without the quotes.  Think of it as opening exe's as files.
[03:33] <bolamix> ok i did apt-get install dcgui-qt......... last question I hope: how do i run it?
[03:33] <projectmayhem> ok, how do i associate .exe files with wine? can i get to them in hoary with a mounted ntfs partition?
[03:33] <MadHadron> bolamix, dcgui from the shell I imagine
[03:33] <MadHadron> bolamix, Unless it gets put into the menus
[03:33] <projectmayhem> also i'm getting a failure status of 1....
[03:33] <bolamix> k thx, i'm very not familiar with this
[03:33] <bolamix> i thought it might be put in the menus but it's not
[03:33] <javiolo> anyone have experience with webmin ?
[03:33] <bolamix> have to find out how to add it
[03:33] <zyga> projectmayhem: [assuming gnome]  right click on an .exe file and choose open with, lookup wine and you're done
[03:33] <MadHadron> bolamix, You might have to log out and back into get it
[03:33] <bolamix> oh right
[03:34] <MadHadron> bolamix, I don't remember if GNOME has live updated menus
[03:34] <bolamix> i'll try that
[03:34] <projectmayhem> zyga actually its kde here, i'm running kubuntu (which is great, btw)
[03:34] <MadHadron> (Though some environments do)
[03:34] <bolamix> biab then
[03:34] <MadHadron> project, And has one advantage over GNOME in particular...
[03:34] <zyga> projectmayhem: ah, then I'm not sure (didn't use kde for a while now)
[03:34] <Unreal02> how is it possible that websites are shown much bigger in FF under Linux, than with Windows ?
[03:34] <MadHadron> project, The arts sound system is a far better system than esd.
[03:34] <Unreal02> the fonts are just huge
[03:35] <MadHadron> Unreal, If you go to Edit->Preferences, you can shrink them.
[03:35] <MadHadron> Unreal, Or hit Ctrl -
[03:35] <MadHadron> Unreal, Fonts are a matter of user preference with webpages
[03:35] <projectmayhem> madhadron esd?
[03:35] <MadHadron> project, Enlightened Sound Daemon
[03:35] <Unreal02> ok, but the menus in FF are bigger than within XP as well
[03:35] <WeirdAl> zyga: How do I get the system to use alsa?
[03:36] <WeirdAl> Currently it's using esd and blocking the sound card.
[03:36] <MadHadron> project, It won't handle 48kHz sound, but my Vaio only plays 48kHz.
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: not the whole system, just xmms
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: check preferences
[03:36] <projectmayhem> madhadron ahh. so do you know a lot about kde? i'm having a little bit of trouble here, i crashed my system yesterday and lost some, uh key features to my desktop
[03:36] <projectmayhem> madhadron haah that's good!
[03:36] <WeirdAl> Yeah. It can't play because the sound card is blocked by esd
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: the little 'o' in xmms' gui
[03:36] <MadHadron> project, Such as?
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: then find output plugins
[03:36] <zyga> and switch to alsa
[03:37] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Go to System->Preferences->Sound
[03:37] <WeirdAl> I did tha
[03:37] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, and tell it not to start the sound server at startup
[03:37] <WeirdAl> But I just killed esd and now it works.
[03:37] <WeirdAl> ah.
[03:37] <zyga> you might need additional packages but I'm not sure
[03:37] <projectmayhem> madhadron well my panels that show the four desktops and the panel that shows all of my open windows...
[03:37] <zyga> MadHadron: no, WeirdAl is talking about xmms in particular gnome menus won't help him
[03:37] <WeirdAl> I'm not...
[03:37] <MadHadron> zyga, It says esd is blocking the sound card.
[03:38] <WeirdAl> I want xine to use it too.
[03:38] <WeirdAl> See if that works.
[03:38] <MadHadron> zyga, Therefore he must turn it off before he can use Alsa directly
[03:38] <Unreal02> what is the password for root on the live-cd ?
[03:38] <WeirdAl> Is there a way of setting the system up to use Alsa instead of esd in the first place?
[03:38] <Unreal02> i try to use su to gain root-rights, but it doesn't work
[03:38] <WeirdAl> I'm making assumptions that alsa is a sound server.
[03:38] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Not really.
[03:38] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, No, Alsa is the Linux kernel's sound architecture
[03:39] <Seveas> Unreal02, use sudo
[03:39] <zyga> MadHadron: ah, didn't see that - sorry
[03:39] <Seveas> there is no root password :)
[03:39] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, You might try switching over to KDE and trying that.
[03:39] <WeirdAl> I'll see if this works first
[03:39] <projectmayhem> madhadron also my speakers don't work, but that's unrelated...
[03:39] <Unreal02> thanks
[03:40] <WeirdAl> Damn, I suddenly crave custard
[03:40] <WeirdAl> Maybe I need more sugar.
[03:40] <wooozy> Is an old serial mouse still supported in ubuntu ???
[03:40] <WeirdAl> I appreciate this is not an Ubuntu issue, though.
[03:40] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:40] <WeirdAl> mmmm....
[03:41] <projectmayhem> woozy probably, have you tried it?
[03:41] <Seveas> wooozy, i think so (but am not 100% sure)
[03:41] <alterim> MadHadron	WeirdAl, I imagine. It's still in the kernel.
[03:42] <wooozy> I have my serial mouse connected
[03:42] <wooozy> cursor pops up on the screen but no movement is possible
[03:42] <projectmayhem> wooozy well does it work?
[03:42] <projectmayhem> woozy oh
[03:42] <WeirdAl> Alsa is playing DVDs in sync.
[03:42] <MadHadron> woozy, The cursor will always be there, mouse or no
[03:42] <WeirdAl> I conclude that esd sucks.
[03:42] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, esd is an atrocious kludge.
[03:43] <wooozy> reconfigging with xconfconfig does not help either
[03:43] <projectmayhem> weirdal that's pretty much the issue
[03:43] <WeirdAl> I shall let my noobs know.
[03:43] <projectmayhem> weirdal haha! way to inform the community
[03:43] <WeirdAl> I've converted several people to Linux by showing them what to do :-)
[03:43] <MadHadron> woozy, Stupid question: have you restarted X since reconfiguring?
[03:43] <projectmayhem> WeirdAl i'm about to do the same by setting up ubuntu onto my friend's laptop.. she's a little computer inept so it could take some time...
[03:44] <kresten> Does anybody know how to execute a .bin-file?
[03:44] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:44] <WeirdAl> I posted a guide at a forum for people who are not stupid; just scared.
[03:44] <projectmayhem> kresten um.. i think sh filename.bin
[03:44] <Seveas> kresten, ./filename.bin
[03:44] <projectmayhem> kresten oh ok there you go
[03:44] <wooozy> yeah restarting and reconfiguring but nothing seems to jumpstart it...
[03:44] <Seveas> of course cd to the right folder first
[03:44] <MadHadron> kresten, chmod +x filename.bin, then what Seveas said.
[03:44] <kresten> ok
[03:44] <Seveas> and replace filename with the actual name
[03:44] <Seveas> and listen to MadHadron  :)
[03:44] <MadHadron> wooozy, And you used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree86 on warty)?
[03:45] <kresten> MadHadron, tnx.
[03:45] <projectmayhem> madhadron isn't warty xorg?
[03:45] <kresten> Seveas, tnx.
[03:45] <Unreal02> do you have to install a seperate codec to play mp3 files ?
[03:45] <MadHadron> project, Not that I know of.
[03:45] <wooozy> I used xorgconfig
[03:45] <Seveas> Unreal02, yes
[03:45] <Seveas> apt-get install w32codecs will give you the whole package
[03:46] <projectmayhem> unreal02 yeah, go to ubuntuguide.org
[03:46] <MadHadron> wooozy, Try the dpkg one; it probably has better autoprobing.
[03:46] <MadHadron> Seveas, Oh, is that where they are?
[03:46] <projectmayhem> unreal02 they have w32codecs and gstreamer plugins
[03:46] <Seveas> MadHadron, yep :)
[03:46] <Seveas> it's on marillat
[03:46] <projectmayhem> unreal02 or at least how to install them
[03:46] <projectmayhem> seveas what is marillat?
[03:46] <MadHadron> Seveas, Now I'm mildly embarrassed at having hard installed the thing.
[03:46] <MadHadron> project, Marillat is a semilegal repository of useful packages
[03:47] <projectmayhem> madhadron haha... semi-legal, just the way i like it ;)
[03:47] <Seveas> projectmayhem, Christian Marillat is a Debian developer who has a repository with nice stuff like mplayer and w32codecs
[03:47] <Seveas> als msttcorefonts is a FAP
[03:47] <wooozy> Madhadron,  wich package should i reconfigure??
[03:47] <MadHadron> wooozy, xserver-xorg on hoary; xserver-xfree86 on warty
[03:47] <projectmayhem> seveas could you tell me exactly what to add to my sources.list file so i could get to it? i really need those w32 codecs...
[03:48] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:48] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[03:48] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:48] <apokryphos> projectmayhem: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:48] <projectmayhem> seveas thanks!
[03:48] <MadHadron> If you're on warty, you just want the testing line
[03:48] <MadHadron> If you're on hoary, you want the unstable line
[03:48] <Seveas> If you're on crack, you want another line :)
[03:48] <MadHadron> So you have your floppy with those two debs?
[03:48] <projectmayhem> madhadron hoary here
[03:49] <projectmayhem> seveas no only kaffeine
[03:49] <MadHadron> Whoops, wrong window
[03:49] <Seveas> caffeine is good
[03:49] <projectmayhem> seveas haha yeah i like it better than kaffeine for sure... confusing interface!
[03:49] <projectmayhem> caffeine just makes me happy :)
[03:50] <Seveas> i dislike almost everything on linux that starts with a K
[03:50] <Bazzi> Seveas so do I
[03:50] <Bazzi> ;)
[03:50] <apokryphos> Eek. Why?
[03:51] <Bazzi> sonn we will get KWindows ;)
[03:51] <Bazzi> soon
[03:51] <apokryphos> Not exactly, but close; the libraries are being ported, yes.
[03:51] <projectmayhem> seveas ouch. i'm a kde fan here... but i appreciate gnome too. they both have ups and downs to them
[03:51] <MadHadron> project, I think GNOME's user interface design is a little better, but it's unuseable for me due to esd.
[03:51] <Seveas> it's all a matter of taste
[03:51] <MadHadron> KDE tends to be technically somewhat ahead.
[03:52] <projectmayhem> seveas gnome is really quick and really pretty, but kde is just easier for me... and for my windows-abusing family :-/
[03:52] <apokryphos> More options (or "more bloated", if you're a gnome-user :P)
[03:52] <Seveas> MadHadron, but at the cost of prepending that stupid K everywhere
[03:52] <Bazzi> gnome looks more mature IMO
[03:52] <Seveas> (and other dislikes)
[03:52] <Seveas> but once again, it's a matter of taste :)
[03:52] <apokryphos> Seveas: Well, gnome's not far off with its G.
[03:52] <projectmayhem> bazzi yeah, its very mac-osish whereas kde is definitely more windowsish
[03:53] <Seveas> projectmayhem, indeed
[03:53] <MadHadron> Seveas, Yes, but I'm about as impartial as you'll get.  I don't much care for color or mice on my desktop.
[03:53] <Seveas> the Mac OSX interface im(ns)ho is the best interface ever
[03:53] <projectmayhem> seveas of course, none of them work iwth my iPod so what do i care??
[03:53] <Seveas> lol projectmayhem :)
[03:53] <projectmayhem> seveas yeah, osx kicks windows ass, if only because its unix based
[03:53] <Seveas> bsd even
[03:53] <EfaistOs> someone gave me some application to burn audio cd under gnome ... but i dont remember ...
[03:54] <Seveas> nautilus
[03:54] <Seveas> gnomebaker
[03:54] <Seveas> (or gnome-baker)
[03:54] <projectmayhem> seveas haha, just that mac os doesn't have half the apps that windows does, and don't get me started on gaming
[03:54] <apokryphos> EfaistOs: or perhaps K3B ;)
[03:54] <EfaistOs> apokryphos, I dont want QT libs .. :)
[03:54] <Seveas> projectmayhem, therefore i was just talking about the interface :)
[03:54] <kbrooks> Seveas: what does imnho mean
[03:54] <Bazzi> whats with the stuff I hear about bunring cds/dvds with linux seems there are lotsa bad media burned?
[03:54] <apokryphos> In my not so humble opinion
[03:54] <Seveas> in my (not so) humble opinion
[03:55] <MadHadron> Bazzi, I've never made a bad CD
[03:55] <EfaistOs> gnomebaker which package ?
[03:55] <projectmayhem> seveas haha true. but i do love an operating system that has never crashed on me :)
[03:55] <Seveas> EfaistOs, probably gnomebaker :)
[03:55] <MadHadron> Bazzi, But I've not had incredible luck burning DVDs yet...but I haven't with this drive under Windows either.
[03:55] <Bazzi> mmmh.
[03:55] <kbrooks> Bazzi: before you burn a CD, check the md5sum
[03:55] <EfaistOs> Bazzi, not true
[03:55] <projectmayhem> bazzi if you own nero for windows you can get it for linux too
[03:55] <EfaistOs> Seveas, nope ...
[03:55] <Unreal02> is it possible to install the codecs when you are running the livecd ?
[03:55] <Raenor> hey guys, i have a little problem with the 64bit version of ubunto
[03:55] <Bazzi> highlight spree, yay \o/
[03:56] <Seveas> Unreal02, not yet i believe
[03:56] <Raenor> can somebody help me
[03:56] <Unreal02> ok
[03:56] <Seveas> that's planned for the next version of the livecd
[03:56] <Bazzi> yeah when I migrate fully I'll use nerolinux i think
[03:56] <projectmayhem> raenor that depends...
[03:56] <MadHadron> Raenor, Well, what's the problem?
[03:56] <Seveas> (due in 6 months )
[03:56] <MadHadron> Bazzi, You might as well use k3b instead.
[03:56] <Raenor> well it doesnt want to load x
[03:56] <projectmayhem> raenor ouch...
[03:56] <Bazzi> MadHadron that has a "k" in its name.
[03:56] <Raenor> and it gives an error with the pci
[03:57] <apokryphos> EfaistOs: why not? Are you low on space?
[03:57] <projectmayhem> i had that problem with SuSE (aggggh curse that evil distro)
[03:57] <MadHadron> Bazzi, And?
[03:57] <Raenor> i think that it is because of the pcix video card
[03:57] <Bazzi> MadHadron nvm ;)
[03:57] <projectmayhem> bazzi trust me on this one nerolinux works really well
[03:57] <EfaistOs> I can't find gnome-baker ... :'(
[03:58] <apokryphos> EfaistOs: it's not in the repositories, I believe.
[03:58] <Bazzi> projectmayhem k I'll trust you on that then, but currently I only have the OEM of nero and that doesnt allow me to use nerolinux
[03:58] <projectmayhem> bazzi ahh, looks like you'll have to find some less than legal means of obtaining your copy then ;)
[03:58] <projectmayhem> not that i advocate such practices!
[03:58] <Bazzi> no, I'll just buy nero
[03:59] <projectmayhem> bazzi not a bad idea, its worth it
[03:59] <MadHadron> Bazzi, Try the free alternatives first.  Many of them are as good.
[03:59] <Bazzi> since I use it all the time anyways
[03:59] <Bazzi> MadHadron its the habit thing, I sue nero for say 6 years now
[03:59] <Bazzi> *use
[04:00] <projectmayhem> aww bazzi no way man thats like saying "i won't switch over to linux cuz i've used windows for 10 years!"
[04:00] <projectmayhem> bazzi and we know that THAT is a sin!
[04:00] <apokryphos> Am I the only one who thinks it's grossly frivolous to ignore using another Linux app because it's based on another desktop environment? Personally, I tend to use whatever's best for the job. I don't ignoe the GIMP because it's GTK.
[04:00] <Bazzi> well I'm using crossplatform software mostly anyway.
[04:00] <Bazzi> so I'm happy I can use the same software on windows and linux
[04:00] <Bazzi> I also use xchat on windows for example
[04:00] <projectmayhem> apokryphos no i do it all the time, i use gedit all the time and i use kde
[04:01] <Seveas> apokryphos, dunno, but i don;t want the overhead of all qt stuff for just one little app
[04:01] <Seveas> so i always stick to gnome
[04:01] <kbrooks> apokryphos: that comment applies to me, too
[04:01] <apokryphos> Seveas: Are you low on space?
[04:01] <Seveas> nope
[04:01] <projectmayhem> hey all thanks for the help, i'm out like a trout
[04:02] <apokryphos> so what's the problem? Surely you want to try out other K programs when they're out? Do you settle for GTK alternatives even when there's possibly other ones that do the job better?
[04:02] <apokryphos> Programs like amaroK and K3B seem pretty unrivalled to me.
[04:02] <apokryphos> just as GIMP is.
[04:02] <Seveas> i never found a single kde app for which there is no gtk app that is at least just as good
[04:02] <MadHadron> apok, Sure, and the same applies to console apps
[04:02] <apokryphos> Seveas: Well, you have two examples there.
[04:03] <Seveas> i don't like k3b and don't know amarok
[04:03] <Seveas> what is amarok?
[04:03] <MadHadron> Seveas, Amarok is a very well designed music player
[04:03] <Seveas> ah
[04:03] <apokryphos> as far as I have seen, it is by far the best MP3 player out on the market
[04:03] <MadHadron> Seveas, It also interfaces extremely nicely with k3b
[04:03] <MadHadron> apok, Ogg, please.
[04:04] <apokryphos> You don't "like" K3B is very easy to say. To argue that there's is at "least as good a gtk app" is farfetch'd. Which app do you think is as good on gtk?
[04:04] <St0n3-C0l> How do I remove any Program from my GNOME menu ?
[04:04] <apokryphos> MadHadron: err, what?
[04:04] <MadHadron> apok, Oh, just being silly.  I switched entirely to ogg vorbis about five years ago.
[04:05] <WeirdAl> MadHadron, was the command hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd?
[04:05] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, I believe so.  You said there was no 1.
[04:05] <WeirdAl> It's gone off the screen and I'm trying to pass it on :-)
[04:05] <WeirdAl> Yes, it turned out the 1 was for on
[04:05] <apokryphos> I think there are a lot of better K apps, but mostly the different apps are a matter of flavour (i.e. kontact vs. evolution). amaroK and K3B are the obvious ones.
[04:05] <n4cht> k3b is just a frontend for cdrecord.  does it really matter if it's a gtk or qt app?  stop being a wuss and use CLI.
[04:05] <WeirdAl> ta
[04:05] <St0n3-C0l> Who Use KDE here without using Kubuntu :P
[04:05] <apokryphos> St0n3-C0l: Kubuntu is KDE with Ubuntu ;-)
[04:05] <cas> hi, i need to extract an rar file and like to do it with fileroller. All i can find in the repositories is the GPL'ed unrar wich can't handle 3.0 files. Is there a way to integrade it with fileroller/synaptic or do i need to install the packages from rarlabs?
[04:05] <apokryphos> n4cht: hehe. :D
[04:06] <MadHadron> n4cht, <chuckles> If I'm burning an ISO, sure.
[04:06] <Seveas> n4cht, cli is good :)
[04:06] <St0n3-C0l> apokryphos: I know but that lists it into other version
[04:06] <St0n3-C0l> I am talking bout using GNOME with KDE
[04:06] <apokryphos> True
[04:06] <apokryphos> St0n3-C0l: right here.
[04:06] <St0n3-C0l> Leave anybody knows how do I remove my Programs from GNOME menu ??
[04:07] <St0n3-C0l> both Add/Remove things
[04:07] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell St0n3-C0l ubugnomemenu
[04:07] <Pyre> St0n3-C0l: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[04:08] <Kazuhiro> im on hoary, having issues with xpdf not opening files, any idea's?
[04:08] <St0n3-C0l> Pyre is your bot ?
[04:08] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[04:08] <apokryphos> yeah
[04:08] <Amaranth> I had one of those in here.
[04:08] <Amaranth> UbuntuBot
[04:08] <Kazuhiro> it was ok, but now its not working, any other pdf viewers?
[04:08] <Kazuhiro> included in default install?
[04:08] <Amaranth> I got in trouble for spamming because i was giving it commands and it was sending output to the channel.
[04:09] <n4cht> it's easy to burn an audio cd with cdrecord, just make a dir of mp3s/oggs, and mkisofs, then burn the iso.   of course, it is a lot easier just to drag+drop point and click with a frontend.
[04:09] <MadHadron> n4cht, That's not an audio CD...
[04:09] <apokryphos> Amaranth: I'd find it very hard to argue the position that there shouldn't be bots; what did they say? Was there excessive posting from him?
[04:09] <Amaranth> n4cht: That makes an audio CD? are you sure it doesn't make an mp3 data cd?
[04:09] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks apokryphos ;)
[04:09] <EfaistOs> Amaranth, agree with you ...
[04:09] <Amaranth> apokryphos: I got to keep it here, I just couldn't let it talk in the channel.
[04:09] <n4cht> doh.  yeah.  brainfart.
[04:10] <CarlK> mkisofs isn't used for audio
[04:10] <apokryphos> ergh
[04:10] <EfaistOs> n4cht, it will be just an data cd ..
[04:10] <EfaistOs> s/an/s
[04:10] <EfaistOs> s/s/a
[04:10] <Amaranth> apokryphos: It wasn't talking much at all. No one ever used it (useless when it PMs, people asking for help don't notice) so when it dropped one day I just left it down.
[04:10] <apokryphos> oh
[04:10] <n4cht> audio cds require burning each individual track.  *hangs head*  can ya tell it's been a while since i've bothered making an audio cd?  all of my cd players will play mp3 cds.
[04:11] <EfaistOs> gnomebaker looks pretty good ... but i can't find it ...
[04:11] <Amaranth> it's in hoary universe, iirc
[04:11] <St0n3-C0l> gnomebaker ??
[04:11] <EfaistOs> n4cht, you're lucky .... but what about others who don't have mp3 players ?
[04:11] <St0n3-C0l> Whats this
[04:11] <EfaistOs> a thing like K3B ...
[04:11] <EfaistOs> gnomebaker.sourceforge.net
[04:12] <apokryphos> Amaranth: I don't think it is.
[04:12] <Amaranth> it is
[04:12] <Amaranth> i have it
[04:12] <n4cht> i only listen to CDs in the car.   a cd player that will play mp3 cds costs like $100.  (if you don't mind a really cheap brand, you can get 'em as low as $50)
[04:13] <apokryphos> Amaranth: my apt-get output and http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ beg to differ :P
[04:13] <Seveas> there arr ogg players too
[04:13] <Seveas>  :)
[04:13] <Seveas> Amaranth, gnomebaker is not in hoary universe
[04:13] <[nrx_] > allo
[04:13] <Amaranth> apokryphos: Then someone made a special package for it with an ubuntu2 tag and left the debian maintainer name.
[04:13] <Seveas> :)
[04:14] <[nrx_] > anyone fancy helping me get sound working?
[04:14] <[nrx_] > :)
[04:14] <Lemonzest> anyone else having trouble with todays update?
[04:14] <apokryphos> Amaranth: heh. Could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?
[04:14] <Amaranth> they're the default
[04:14] <apokryphos> I think there's a repo for it flying about, but it's almost certainly not in Universe.
[04:14] <Lemonzest> i install the i386 build and then the ati xorg drivers
[04:14] <Lemonzest> and restart
[04:14] <Lemonzest> and its fine
[04:15] <Lemonzest> then i run the unbuntu updater
[04:15] <n4cht> yanno, there's a nautilus cd burning frontend?   i just noticed that when doing a search for apps to test out.
[04:15] <Lemonzest> and everything dl's fine
[04:15] <Amaranth> Lemonzest: "today's update" for me is just some dhcp stuff
[04:15] <AcidWolf> quick question is it possible to install Grub as my bootloader
[04:15] <Lemonzest> but on reboot, the internet is dead
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> how to use .dsc file ?
[04:15] <Amaranth> AcidWolf: It's the default.
[04:15] <[nrx_] > AcidWolf, yes
[04:15] <Seveas> Lemonzest, that is a dhcp problem
[04:15] <n4cht> cdrtoaster is a qucik and easy tcl/tk app for burning audio cds.
[04:15] <Lemonzest> i have nForce3 Gigabit lan
[04:15] <AcidWolf> Amaranth its not on my machine
[04:15] <Seveas> you need the ubuntu3 dhcp packages
[04:15] <Seveas> the ubuntu2 ones are broken
[04:16] <St0n3-C0l> AcidWolf: in MBR ?
[04:16] <Seveas> just spent some time with oly resolving the same problem :)
[04:16] <Lemonzest> how do i get them? with no connection?
[04:16] <Amaranth> that explains the dhcp update
[04:16] <AcidWolf> im using Ubuntu PPC Haory
[04:16] <SiRrUs> AcidWolf grub is the ubuntu default
[04:16] <Lemonzest> or will the daily install cd include them?
[04:16] <Seveas> Lemonzest, i can e-mail them to you than you can put them on a floppy/usb stick
[04:16] <AcidWolf> SiRrUs mine is using Yaboot
[04:16] <conor> hi there
[04:16] <Amaranth> Seveas: You just scared the crap out of me. I thought what I just installed was going to break my connection.
[04:16] <[nrx_] > hi
[04:16] <kbrooks> yaboot?
[04:16] <Lemonzest> nah its ok
[04:16] <kbrooks> wtf
[04:16] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[04:17] <AcidWolf> yes Yaboot
[04:17] <macewan> whoa, I just read that you guys are the Code breakers from PyMusique. that sounds like some sort of secret society or something - http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/2142.html
[04:17] <conor> has anyone ever tried replacing the debian sources with ubuntu ones in sources.list and then dist-upgrading? if so, what were the results
[04:17] <EddieX> Anyone using Warty, and has only black opengl windows? (using nvidia)
[04:17] <n4cht> ok, for those of you not wanting to use k3b, or deal with doing track-by-track CLI cdrecord...  cdrtoaster, and eroaster are both pretty nice.  :)
[04:17] <conor> generally i want to know if its possible to install ubuntu from a debian base
[04:17] <[nrx_] > conor, i did that last night and it's fine :)
[04:17] <macewan> *smak - wrong window
[04:18] <conor> [nrx_] : hrrmm... now i'm tempted
[04:18] <[nrx_] > i ran all my files locally, though
[04:18] <conor> [nrx_] : how do you mean?
[04:18] <Lemonzest> any idea why the dhcp package borked?
[04:18] <[nrx_] > this lappy has a b0rked cdrom so i just shared out one from a winbox, smbmount and there we go.
[04:18] <[nrx_] > i.e. in my sources.list I didn't specify pages.. i specified lan locations :)
[04:19] <[nrx_] > i cheated, too. ran an ftpd on the winbox with the root set to the cd drive to start with
[04:19] <[nrx_] > heh
[04:19] <[nrx_] > then, mounted the share as /packages and set that file:/packages in the sources.list
[04:19] <[nrx_] > apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:19] <[nrx_] > and here i am
[04:20] <[nrx_] > this was all done from a couple debian boot floppies
[04:20] <conor> ah
[04:20] <conor> so you didn't have a complete debian install on the box?
[04:20] <[nrx_] > no, though it's all the same principle
[04:20] <AcidWolf> how do i get to the MBR through gui to play with bootloader
[04:21] <[nrx_] > just changing the preferences file and sources.list files to your ubuntu lot :)
[04:21] <n4cht> wow!  the nautilus cd burning frontend is really slick, and it was already installed with ubuntu.
[04:21] <CarlK> [nrx]  - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[04:21] <[nrx_] > what's that?
[04:21] <conor> well you've only got ubuntu packages. if i did it over an existing debian install i'd have an insane mix of debian and ubuntu packages on it
[04:21] <conor> i'd have dubuntu
[04:21] <CarlK> a web page.
[04:22] <dopp0> Hi. My gnome is taking some minutes before starting, but I couldn't find a reason for that. Where can I see what is taking so long to start? After starting, gnome is fast and normal
[04:22] <[nrx_] > leet new distro
[04:22] <[nrx_] > ;p
[04:22] <restrex> hi guyz
[04:22] <HappyPills> just finished upgrading to hoary, the only thing that appeared to break is ndiswrapper =P
[04:22] <Seveas> dopp0, can you be more precise about when it stalls?
[04:23] <[nrx_] > im about to start playing with ndiswrapper
[04:23] <[nrx_] > is it easy enough?
[04:23] <Seveas> [nrx_] , very
[04:23] <AcidWolf> can i get to the MBR through configuration editor to play with the bootloader
[04:23] <Seveas> just run ndiswrapper -i on the drivers inffile
[04:23] <conor> [nrx_] : yeah.. but i have work to do! not going to risk it, will install ubuntu whenever i get round to getting a new pc
[04:23] <HappyPills> it is hell on earth if if your card isn't compatible with the Ubuntu version of it
[04:23] <restrex> when I enable inotify at the /boot/grub/menu.lst, the gnome session paralize when it's booting, when I disable inotify the gnome session starts normally, How can I fix it?? thanks
[04:23] <HappyPills> otherwise it is very very simple
[04:23] <Seveas> and add an alias for your card to the modules
[04:23] <dopp0> Seveas, sure! As soon as I put my username and password in gdm, it gets the "gray" screen (the normal one, the one that appears the splash) and my cursor (mouse), and nothing happens...
[04:23] <n4cht> crap.  it's almost 10:30, i have to leave for work and i'm not even dressed yet.  thank god i'm off tomorrow.
[04:24] <[nrx_] > DWL-G650+?
[04:24] <[nrx_] > lol
[04:24] <dopp0> Seveas, and then it takes some minutes before the splash starting....
[04:24] <restrex> when I enable inotify at the /boot/grub/menu.lst, the gnome session paralize when it's booting, when I disable inotify the gnome session starts normally, How can I fix it?? thanks
[04:24] <Seveas> dopp0, are you on nfs or something?
[04:24] <Seveas> note: nfs NOT ntfs :)
[04:24] <dopp0> Seveas, no :-)
[04:25] <Seveas> restrex, don't use inotify :)
[04:25] <restrex> wtf
[04:25] <restrex> fix that!
[04:25] <restrex> I want to use it
[04:25] <Seveas> restrex, inotyfy is too buggy
[04:25] <restrex> and it's enable =)
[04:25] <Seveas> and if you want to use it, help fixing it
[04:25] <restrex> oh cool
[04:25] <restrex> I think you're a kernel hacker
[04:25] <restrex> bye
[04:25] <Lemonzest> oh and another thing, i get no audio and my webcam dosent work
[04:26] <Seveas> dopp0, hmm then i have no idea... sorry
[04:26] <Lemonzest> yet the audio works from thre live cd
[04:26] <Lemonzest> i have a sb live 5.1
[04:26] <Seveas> maybe dmesg or some log file gives you some clues
[04:26] <Lemonzest> only thing in dmesg is something abour the nforce ide bus
[04:26] <dopp0> Seveas, ok, no prob. but do you know where can I have a log of what's happening in gnome during startup? I tried some of the /var/log/* but nothing useful there
[04:26] <idn> lemonzest cant you get the sound to work?
[04:26] <Lemonzest> everything else is picked up
[04:27] <Lemonzest> no i cant
[04:27] <Lemonzest> but it works from the live cd
[04:27] <idn> have you messed around with alsamixer
[04:27] <Lemonzest> yup
[04:27] <idn> what distro are you using
[04:27] <Lemonzest> in the media thing when you can set which sound daremon
[04:27] <Lemonzest> i have tryed all
[04:27] <Lemonzest> alsa
[04:27] <Lemonzest> oss
[04:27] <AcidWolf> that is really strange that everyone else has GRUB but i dont O_o
[04:27] <Lemonzest> esd
[04:28] <Seveas> AcidWolf, are you in lilo?
[04:28] <Seveas> on*
[04:28] <AcidWolf> no
[04:28] <Lemonzest> does riserfs work with amd64?
[04:28] <AcidWolf> my boot is fully text based
[04:28] <idn> riserfs should work on amd64
[04:28] <AcidWolf> it looks alot like Yaboot
[04:28] <idn> i got an option to use it when i installed 64bit fedora the other day
[04:28] <Lemonzest> yeah i tryed xfs but both lilo and grub would not work on the amd64 build
[04:29] <Dalkus> AcidWolf, LILO installs if GRUB can't for some reason :)
[04:29] <Lemonzest> but the i386 disk is fine
[04:29] <idn> wierd
[04:29] <AcidWolf> oh ok so it would then more than likely be the fact that im on PPC and this is hoary after all so not 100% stable
[04:29] <eyequeue> both grub and lilo are text-based
[04:30] <idn> yeah, i managed to install a splash image for grub after alot of messing arround
[04:30] <MadHadron> AcidWolf, Anything on PPC is going to start as yaboot
[04:30] <MadHadron> And then possibly go to GRUB
[04:30] <AcidWolf> grub does have the little splash screen
[04:30] <AcidWolf> oh ok well that explains it
[04:30] <eyequeue> AcidWolf:  not by default
[04:30] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[04:31] <AcidWolf> so should i let it be or tinker with it
[04:33] <Dalkus> Does Warty ship with Gnome 1.2 or 2.x ?
[04:33] <eyequeue> 2.10
[04:34] <Dalkus> Thanks
[04:35] <Seveas> 2.8 that is
[04:35] <Seveas> 2.10 is hoary
[04:35] <Dalkus> I'm having problems with the 'notification area' docking applet for Gnome (in warty). AMSN's icon *does* appear in it but double clicking dosnt minimise or hide AMSN, nothing happens. Any advice on how to fix this?
[04:36] <Seveas> Dalkus, sounds like you need to change AMSN's configuration :)
[04:36] <Seveas> i don't use amsn though, so i cannot help with that
[04:37] <Dalkus> That's what I thought at fist, but I'm not so sure (since there is no configuration for it.. and it works fine in KDE). Also xMule dosn't seem to appear in the dock when I tell it to
[04:40] <azad> what tool could i use for bunring discs?
[04:40] <azad> nero-like?
[04:40] <Dalkus> k3b :)
[04:40] <Dalkus> I believe nero is also ported to linux
[04:41] <Dalkus> nero-linux rings a bell. Check k3b out though
[04:41] <SiRrUs> azad graveman works good
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> i read a review of the nero.. they sort of said k3b is better at this time
[04:43] <Dalkus> Yeah I think I briefly read the same
[04:44] <MadHadron> k3b has the advantage of being designed for the platform its on.
[04:44] <MadHadron> Dr_Willis, Your nick looks familiar...I don't suppose you used to hang around in #ad&d on Dalnet?
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  Yep. :P
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> same one.
[04:45] <MadHadron> Aha, I'm Sgath.
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> Dalnet=Spambotnet.
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> Whats New dude.
[04:45] <Dalkus> I changed my icon theme for Gnome and some are now missing, for example the desktop icon. How can I choose a new icon for this? I can't seem to find a way
[04:45] <MadHadron> Aside the name, not that much.  I head off to grad school in the fall...they haven't wised upon and kicked me out of school yet.
[04:45] <MadHadron> s/the name/from the name/
[04:46] <black_Nightmare> seveas?
[04:46] <black_Nightmare> hmm *me pokes seveas hehe*
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  visited an old friend the other day.. his mom had aparently thrown out a lof of his 10+ yr old RPG stuff. Since he haddent touched it in 10+ yrs.. :P
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> ebay material!
[04:47] <Quest-Master> Is the latest XFCE in Hoary repos.?
[04:47] <MadHadron> Willis, <chuckles> Mine's all sitting unused in my family's home.
[04:48] <MadHadron> Willis, Unused except for a Changeling game I was in last year.
[04:48] <Seveas> ohno, the nightmare has returned
[04:48] <Seveas> :)
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  never even heard of that one. :P
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  been playing WOrld of Warcraft.. but all the MMORPGS have gotten old.
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> so i hang out in Linux channels and learn stuff
[04:49] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, ping
[04:49] <MadHadron> Willis, More diverting, I'm sure.
[04:49] <black_Nightmare> seveas :p
[04:49] <Seveas> hi :)
[04:49] <Seveas> you called?
[04:50] <black_Nightmare> I've gotten to a desktop now and btw...I noticed that when it was doing internet it grabbed libc6-i686 so I'm guessing its updated itself already?
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  yea - we got the good old EQ addicts at work we still make fun of.
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Every application takes so long to startup now for some reason
[04:50] <Quest-Master> ;(
[04:50] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, not really
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Even after prelinking
[04:50] <black_Nightmare> seveas..oh ok
[04:50] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-686
[04:51] <black_Nightmare> seveas...do I have to like reboot after that or no?
[04:51] <Seveas> libc6-686 is another extremely important part :)
[04:51] <MadHadron> Willis, Ah, evercrack.  And I never even saw the game.
[04:51] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, yes
[04:51] <Seveas> there is no use in installing a kernel without using it :)
[04:51] <MadHadron> Willis, But my days are pretty full now with mathematics, music, cooking, and getting my swim in.
[04:51] <black_Nightmare> ughh where do I go to do apt-get? :">
[04:51] <MadHadron> black, A terminal
[04:51] <Quest-Master> black_Nightmare: console
[04:51] <Quest-Master> Same thing, a terminal and a console
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  wait till you are an old man.. and have a wife and step-daughter...
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  Hmm... shes looking for a Boyfriend.. :P
[04:52] <black_Nightmare> umm could you just (lol) tell me step by step where to go to type this apt-get line?
[04:52] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, applications -> system tools -> root termial
[04:52] <MadHadron> Seveas, You know you're dated when your default mode of interaction is not longer common knowledge.
[04:52] <black_Nightmare> ic..one second seveas let me swap mointor again...
[04:52] <Seveas> lol MadHadron :)
[04:52] <MadHadron> Willis, Oh heavens, don't even think of inflicting me on anyone.
[04:52] <dumbhack> gcc works fine, but I don't have "sockets.h" on my system.  Which package do I have to get to have sockets.h?
[04:52] <MadHadron> Willis, Theoretical physicists who are music bigots aren't folks to saddle anyone with.
[04:52] <Seveas> dumbhack, apt-get install build-essential
[04:52] <black_Nightmare> so applications>system tools>root termial then type 'apt-get install linux-686' right?
[04:53] <Seveas> yes black_Nightmare
[04:53] <black_Nightmare> brb :p
[04:53] <MadHadron> black, Put a sudo before apt-get
[04:53] <Seveas> MadHadron, nope
[04:53] <Seveas> root terminal :)
[04:53] <MadHadron> Yes, just noticed
[04:53] <kev0r> dumbhack: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=socket.h+download&btnG=Zoeken&meta=
[04:53] <dumbhack> Seveas: I already have the latest version of build-essential
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  has to be better then the Weed-Smoking parasite she has been seeing.
[04:53] <dross> I'm unable to install mplayer, why?
[04:53] <Seveas> ok, so what are you trying to compile dumbhack ?
[04:53] <dross> libsvga1 isn't available
[04:54] <MadHadron> Willis, In the long term yes, but she's probably less likely to kill them in the short term.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  I just read a Book on Quantum stuff the other day.. :P "Schrodingers Rabbits"
[04:54] <Seveas> dross, how are you trying to install it
[04:54] <dross> Seveas: dselect ;)
[04:54] <MadHadron> Willis, I think I've seen the title somewhere, but I avoid pop science books.  They don't resemble anything I know.
[04:54] <Seveas> eeeek
[04:54] <dumbhack> Seveas: I'm trying to write a little C client/server app, and I'm used to using sys/sockets.h
[04:54] <Seveas> dselect is icky :)
[04:54] <dross> Seveas: now apt-get
[04:54] <diana> How can I make my PEAP/EAP work even if I dont need a certificate, cuz in windows the server asks me for the certificate himlesf
[04:54] <dross> Seveas: still not working
[04:54] <MadHadron> dross, As of now you will always you aptitude instead of dselect.
[04:54] <Seveas> dumbhack, sys/socket.h
[04:54] <Seveas> no s
[04:55] <MadHadron> dross, This will be a significant improvement in your quality of life.
[04:55] <Seveas> dross, have you added marillat repos for mplayer?
[04:55] <dross> Seveas: that what?
[04:55] <dross> Seveas: hmm
[04:55] <MadHadron> Willis, Actually, a pop math book I would recommend with only a few reservations is "The Lady Tasting Tea"
[04:55] <Seveas> they contain all semi-legal codec things
[04:55] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell dross uburestricted
[04:55] <Pyre> dross: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:56] <dross> #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main  ?
[04:56] <diana> How can I make my PEAP/EAP work even if I dont need a certificate, cuz in windows the server asks me for the certificate himlesf
[04:56] <Seveas> yeah, but try unstable
[04:56] <NetwrkMonkey> dross yes memphis is a craphole
[04:56] <apokryphos> dross: that's one of them, yes.
[04:56] <MadHadron> Willis, I don't agree with his interpretation of statistics in many places (since I am a firm holder of the mechanistic, deterministic universe view he claims is gone), but it's got a lot of fun stuff.
[04:56] <dross> NetwrkMonkey: you are right :)
[04:56] <NetwrkMonkey> Nashville's not bad :-)
[04:56] <Seveas> diana, in xsupplicant set the certificate to NONE
[04:57] <dross> I'm unable to getch because theres a key :/
[04:57] <Seveas> dross what do you mean?
[04:57] <NetwrkMonkey> dross, where are you now? alaska?
[04:57] <dross>  GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures could not be verified
[04:57] <apokryphos> dross: ignore it.
[04:57] <dross> NetwrkMonkey: TN
[04:58] <dross> apokryphos: I'm still unable to get the package for svgalib
[04:58] <Seveas> dross: gpg --recv-keys 1f41b907 && gpg --export --armor 1f41b907 > /tmp/marillatkey && apt-key add /tmp/marillatkey
[04:58] <azad> hm how to mount usb stick?
[04:59] <dross> Seveas: hmm
[04:59] <Seveas> azad, plug it in :)
[04:59] <dross> Seveas: may I ask where you got the key from?
[04:59] <Seveas> it should automount
[04:59] <azad> where to?
[04:59] <dross> Seveas: is it on the output of the error?
[04:59] <Seveas> subkeys.pgp.net
[04:59] <Scisla1> how on earth can I upgrade x-window-system-core? it obviously can't do it from w/in Gnome...
[04:59] <Seveas> no, it's on marillat's homepage
[04:59] <MadHadron> Scislal, You can use synaptic
[04:59] <Seveas> Scisla1, boot into rescue mode or safe mode
[04:59] <apokryphos> scizzo: update your x?
[04:59] <Dmitri4enko> ))
[04:59] <apokryphos> Sure you can.
[04:59] <Seveas> and then apt-get upgrade
[05:00] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!!!!
[05:00] <tck> whats the default CUPS login for http://localhost:631 ?
[05:00] <MadHadron> Scislal, But I don't really recommend it if you're trying to go from warty to hoary
[05:00] <apokryphos> scizzo: sorry, wasn't meant for you. ;)
[05:00] <azad> Seveas: where does it mount to?
[05:00] <Seveas> a subdir of /media
[05:00] <Seveas> brb
[05:00] <Dmitri4enko> 
[05:01] <claint> cyrillic?
[05:01] <Scisla1> MadHadron:  really? I basically went Hoary right after install (3 wks ago)... should I wait or just never do it?
[05:01] <MadHadron> Scislal, Not sure.  It gave me trouble.
[05:01] <azad> there's nothing in media
[05:01] <MadHadron> Scislal, But I cheated after that and just copied my data off and reinstalled.
[05:01] <azad> only cdrom
[05:01] <black_Nightmare> ok seveas its back to the # prompt (or whatever you like to call it heh) in root terminal and its not even asking anything..not a reboot
[05:02] <black_Nightmare> should I manually reboot or nah?
[05:02] <Scisla1> hmmm...
[05:02] <Scisla1> thanks for the info
[05:02] <MadHadron> I don't suppose anyone remembers Sibelius' first name?
[05:03] <black_Nightmare> hm... *waits for seveas to un-brb hehe*
[05:03] <claint> tck: i guess that is a good question, since you don't have root in ubuntu.
[05:03] <azad> can i manually mount my usb stick
[05:03] <[nrx_] > cany anyone help me with a ndiswrapper problem?
[05:03] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, apt-get will never ask to reboot :)
[05:04] <Seveas> but you should reboot now to use your freshly installed kernel
[05:04] <[nrx_] > "modprobe: Can't locate module ndiswrapper
[05:04] <[nrx_] > "
[05:04] <MadHadron> nrx, You may have to run depmod -a
[05:04] <MadHadron> Always assuming you have ndiswrapper installed
[05:04] <azad> Seveas, can i manually mount it?
[05:04] <[nrx_] > so, if i run depmod -a
[05:04] <Seveas> sure
[05:04] <dross> ...
[05:04] <[nrx_] > what does that do for me and what's next?
[05:04] <Seveas> azad, pmount /dev/sda
[05:05] <claint> azad: ou can manually mount a usb stick of course.
[05:05] <HappyPills> yep, he installed ndiswrapper correctly and loaded the windows drivers for it
[05:05] <dross> its still not working. I can't find any packages for what I want
[05:05] <Seveas> if it doesn't work: try /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb
[05:05] <azad> kay
[05:05] <black_Nightmare> ah ok seveas ty .. brb one second :p
[05:05] <MadHadron> nrx, Try the insmod again
[05:05] <[nrx_] > again?
[05:05] <MadHadron> nrx, depmod -a rebuilds the index of modules
[05:05] <[nrx_] > ah, okay
[05:05] <dross> grr, dammit
[05:05] <dross> this is frustrating
[05:05] <[nrx_] > and insmod?
[05:06] <[nrx_] > installs a module, I presume
[05:06] <Seveas> dross, libsvga1 is in ubuntu hoary universe
[05:06] <[nrx_] > however, what's the syntax for it?
[05:06] <claint> insmod loads a module, but it is much better to use modprobe
[05:06] <dross> Seveas: I just updated
[05:06] <Seveas> have you enabled universe?
[05:06] <dross> Seveas: I think I do, but I'll check again
[05:06] <[nrx_] > well, a modprobe gives back the same error as before
[05:06] <dross> Seveas: whoops :)
[05:06] <MadHadron> nrx, Whoops, modprobe I mean
[05:07] <dross> Seveas: I forgot which machine I was on :)
[05:07] <Seveas> lol
[05:07] <MadHadron> nrx, Hmm.  Then you don't have the module installed properly
[05:07] <MadHadron> nrx, And I shan't be any more help since I've no experience with ndiswrapper
[05:07] <[nrx_] > depmod -a completes with no output
[05:07] <dross> hmm
[05:07] <[nrx_] > and then modprobe gives the error "Can't locate module ndiswrapper"
[05:07] <Seveas> [nrx] , ls -R /var/lib`uname -r`/ | grep ndiswrapper
[05:08] <azad> what file system got an usb stick?
[05:08] <Seveas> does that give any output?
[05:08] <Seveas> azad, usually vfat
[05:08] <azad> thanks
[05:08] <dross> Seveas: thank you, Its installing
[05:08] <Seveas> :o)
[05:08] <Quest-Master> Would compiling my own kernel speed up things a bit in general? And still keep my system stable and safe
[05:08] <Quest-Master> ?
[05:08] <[nrx_] > Seveas: no such file or directory
[05:08] <Seveas> Quest-Master, usually not
[05:09] <Seveas> [nrx_] , ehm right my bad
[05:09] <Seveas> [nrx] , ls -R /var/lib/`uname -r`/ | grep ndiswrapper
[05:09] <Seveas> forgot a slash
[05:09] <Seveas> argh
[05:09] <Seveas> nooooooooo
[05:09] <Seveas> .me needs coffee
[05:09] <[nrx_] > same error
[05:09] <[nrx_] > lol
[05:09] <Seveas> [nrx] , ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ | grep ndiswrapper
[05:09] <Seveas> brb, getting coffee
[05:10] <claint>  heheh /var/lib
[05:10] <[nrx_] > gives nothing
[05:10] <Seveas> [nrx] , the the module is not installed :)
[05:10] <[nrx_] > guh
[05:10] <[nrx_] > should i try it from source then?
[05:10] <HappyPills> what is the ubuntu package name for the module itself?
[05:11] <Seveas> have you run make modules-install when baking your kernel?
[05:11] <claint> i think i am gonna go to starbucks to test my wireless
[05:11] <Seveas> HappyPills, [nrx_]  likes to build his own kernel :)
[05:11] <Seveas> hf claint
[05:11] <HappyPills> ah...
[05:11] <[nrx_] > i didn't make my kernel
[05:11] <[nrx_] > ;p
[05:12] <[nrx_] > not as yet.. it's to come later on
[05:12] <claint> nothing big to it.
[05:12] <[nrx_] > no, i mean i'm fiddling with other bits n bobs first
[05:12] <[nrx_] > a new kernel's coming later tonight
[05:13] <[nrx_] > anway. after an apt-get, ndiswrapper was 'installed' and after "ndiswrapper -i file.inf" it was there.
[05:13] <[nrx_] > for instance.. plugging it in..
[05:14] <[nrx_] > "Installed ndis drivers:
[05:14] <[nrx_] > gplus   hardware present
[05:14] <[nrx_] > "
[05:14] <Seveas> apt-get install ndiswrapper installs only the user-space utils
[05:14] <Seveas> NOT the kernel module
[05:15] <Seveas> tou can install ndiswrapper-source and build it yourself of course :)
[05:15] <claint> perhaps your kernel compile is coming earlier than expected [nrx_]  ?
[05:15] <Seveas> just a ./configure, mak, make install dance :)
[05:15] <[nrx_] > think i'll do that
[05:16] <fangorious> anyone using familiar with acpi code? specifically using a custom dsdt in their initrd?
[05:17] <black_Nightmare> seveas ok its back to the ubuntu desktop again :)
[05:17] <SirGrok> Hey, I am a new Ubuntu user (I love it... almost done configuring) and I need help with configuring my sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy 2)
[05:17] <black_Nightmare> anything else important I should apt-get or nah?
[05:17] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, not really :)
[05:18] <Seveas> just enjoy your ubuntu-system :0
[05:18] <Seveas> :)
[05:18] <black_Nightmare> ok ty seveas -- umm allow me to see about using ubuntu-xchat instead of this windows one.......brb :p
[05:18] <Lindo> what p2p software do you guys use in ubuntu ?
[05:18] <SirGrok> Azureus
[05:18] <Seveas> None
[05:18] <Seveas> :)
[05:18] <fangorious> azureus
[05:18] <apokryphos> Limewire
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Lindo,   none really. :P
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> p2p is Evil! :P
[05:18] <Lindo> ok :P
[05:18] <Lindo> no it aint :P
[05:19] <apokryphos> Dr_Willis: Never!
[05:19] <Seveas> tcp/ip is peer-to-peer :)
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> i just LOVE how i seem to UPLOAD faster then I ever download anything.
[05:19] <SirGrok> Linux has helped me in one area of piracy.... No more software piracy... but for the rest: ARRRRG!
[05:19] <HappyPills> yes... you can download all your latest *cough* linux *cough* distros via p2p
[05:19] <Lindo> hehe
[05:19] <apokryphos> Lindo: It essentially depends on what you're looking for. For MP3s, I use Limewire; for films, I use IRC/torrents (Azureus).
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> HappyPills,  that proves its evil! :p
[05:19] <Seveas> HappyPills, actually that's true
[05:19] <HappyPills> I know it's true =P
[05:19] <Seveas> ubuntu is encouraging bittorent as dowload medium for cd images
[05:19] <Lindo> apokrypos: got a link for limewire ?
[05:20] <MadHadron> Seveas, as they should
[05:20] <navreet> Lindo, giFT works (can connect to FastTrack[Kazaa] )
[05:20] <Lindo> hmmm
[05:20] <apokryphos> %google limewire
[05:20] <Pyre> http://www.limewire.com/ - LimeWire: Running the Gnutella Network
[05:20] <navreet> Lindo, don't forget to gift-setup (and read it carefully)
[05:20] <MadHadron> This is the problem of listening to obscure music.  I can't just hop on the 'net and find it.
[05:20] <navreet> Gnutella sux
[05:20] <apokryphos> navreet: oi ;)
[05:20] <Lindo> k ill try some things :)
[05:21] <Seveas> apokryphos, make that bot respond only to provate messages and no one will know it's a bot :)
[05:21] <Seveas> MadHadron, define obscure?
[05:21] <alle> Hi all!
[05:22] <MadHadron> Seveas, Classical music from the late 3rd to the early 19th century, and certain chamber and symphonic works of the 20th century.
[05:22] <Seveas> hi alle!
[05:22] <MadHadron> Seveas, What I play myself, essentially.
[05:22] <Seveas> MadHadron, that's not obscure
[05:22] <Seveas> that's beautiful music
[05:22] <alle> I have a Lexmark z615 here which I'd like to use with Ubuntu, but it doesn't work...
[05:22] <HappyPills> anyway I off to bed now
[05:22] <Seveas> too beautiful for p2p ")
[05:22] <SirGrok> Hey, I am a new Ubuntu user (I love it... almost done configuring) and I need help with configuring my sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy 2)
[05:22] <MadHadron> Seveas, Maybe I have an odd perspective since I'm on a university campus.
[05:22] <HappyPills> gnight
[05:23] <alle> Lexmark provides a .ppd for cups which I've installed but the printer remains silent
[05:23] <Lindo> apokryphos, what package do i need to get ?
[05:23] <apokryphos> Lindo: the one for Linux :P
[05:23] <MadHadron> Seveas, I think the other issue is that current encoding schemes don't handle multimovement works well
[05:23] <Lindo> not the rpm one i guess
[05:23] <Roben> SirGrok: what is your problem?
[05:23] <Lindo> the other then?
[05:23] <black_nightmare> seveas just one problem -- my keyboard doesnt seem to be the right english one
[05:23] <black_nightmare> err duh see
[05:23] <SirGrok> My 5.1 isn't working.
[05:23] <apokryphos> Lindo: either works
[05:24] <Seveas> black_nightmare, sounds like a locale issue
[05:24] <SirGrok> I don't think that it has loaded the proper drivers..... The sound works, but on 2.1
[05:24] <Lindo> how do install the rpm one then ?
[05:24] <apokryphos> Lindo: use alien
[05:24] <Seveas> dont know much about that though
[05:24] <alle> Can somebody maybe give me a hand with getting this printer to work?
[05:24] <black_nightmare> seveas --- i pick usa english keyboard.....where would i go to check that choice
[05:24] <Roben> SirGrok: ok. I don't know what to do.
[05:24] <apokryphos> Lindo: at least, it worked for me with a previous version, so I guess it's still fine.
[05:24] <SirGrok> Atleast you are honest.
[05:24] <Seveas> black_nightmare, system->preferences->keyboard
[05:24] <Lindo> apokryphos: thx
[05:24] <ch3rn0byl> ok... i installed Ubuntu to a seperate partion in OS X (Apple_UNIX_SVR2) and i was curious of how can i mount it from my OS X terminal?
[05:25] <Roben> SirGrok: =)
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> it's number is 11
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> disk0s11
[05:25] <Seveas> SirGrok, you nead to enable a 5.1 plugin
[05:25] <Seveas> search the forums for somthing like that
[05:25] <SirGrok> Seveas, Where is a 5.1 plugin?
[05:25] <Seveas> (i don't know it exactly too)
[05:25] <randabis_> hmm this is weird
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> i tried "$ sudo mount -o nodev /dev/disk0s11 ~/Desktop
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> Password:
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> /dev/disk0s11 on /Users/jake/Desktop: Incorrect super block."
[05:26] <ch3rn0byl> and got that error message
[05:26] <randabis_> My java plugin works in mozilla firefox, but it will not work in mozilla suite or galeon
[05:26] <SirGrok> Actually, I have looked for the list of availible programs (I have found it a couple time... but now I can't. Can you link me there as well?)
[05:26] <randabis_> anyone have an idea why?
[05:26] <black_nightmare> seveas I found that since it thought i was in canada i was supposed to have these billingual/french keyboards
[05:26] <ch3rn0byl> so what else can i do
[05:26] <Seveas> lol black_nightmare :)
[05:26] <black_nightmare> I fixed it now..used usa keyboard layout..now its good.... see???
[05:26] <black_nightmare> :)
[05:26] <randabis_> I'm fairly certain the plugins are in the correct directory
[05:26] <apokryphos> randabis_: haven't seen you here for some time. :)
[05:26] <Seveas> SirGrok, hang on
[05:26] <SirGrok> Seveas, GRACIAS!
[05:26] <randabis_> Yeah, I haven't been online
[05:27] <black_nightmare> sevas I take it that any  opened programs/windows go to the bottom and as more gets added it gets narrower...right?
[05:27] <apokryphos> randabis_: does putting them in ~/mozilla/plugins not work?
[05:27] <Lindo> apokryphos: how does alien work ?
[05:27] <black_nightmare> sevveas -- I see that the screen seem a tad like very quick flickering....thats a sign to maybe raise the refresh rate a bit?
[05:27] <Lindo> i tried starting it up, did nothing
[05:27] <apokryphos> randabis_: *~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:28] <apokryphos> Lindo: see man alien
[05:28] <apokryphos> Lindo: it converts them to .deb
[05:28] <black_nightmare> nevermind figured it out
[05:28] <randabis_> apokryphos, the plugins ARE in that directory
[05:29] <apokryphos> hm
[05:29] <black_nightmare> had to go down one res to finally get 70Hz and it looks smooth now
[05:29] <ch3rn0byl> anyone able to answer my question
[05:29] <randabis_> what's a little strange is that there are TWO .mozillas
[05:29] <randabis_> both appear to be identical
[05:29] <apokryphos> not with the same name, surely?
[05:29] <randabis_> yes
[05:29] <black_nightmare> seveas one problem thou .. its kinda stretched itself off the side of the mointor....should I use the mointor controls or some kind of settings in ubuntu?
[05:29] <apokryphos> is that possible? ;)
[05:29] <typo> could someone confirm a bug for me? to see if it's not something with my config
[05:29] <randabis_> I think it might be a bug in the new Konqueror
[05:30] <typo> it's in the keyboard shortcuts
[05:30] <Seveas> SirGrok, i cannot find it, you should send an e-mail to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com asking for help
[05:30] <randabis_> I'm trying out kubuntu
[05:30] <apokryphos> randabis_: oh, in konqueror? Yes, someone reported that not so long ago. A bug has been filed.
[05:30] <typo> or should I just submit it?
[05:30] <randabis_> because all of my hidden folders have duplicates
[05:30] <randabis_> haha
[05:30] <apokryphos> randabis_: ls -a ~ doesn't show that though, eh?
[05:30] <randabis_> nah
[05:30] <SirGrok> Seveas, Thanks a lot for the attempt.
[05:30] <randabis_> that's why I figured it was konqueror
[05:31] <black_nightmare> nevermind seveas I need to stop asking!! lol I figured setting it to like 11xx something and now a bit of black on sides but at least I can see the whole screen
[05:31] <randabis_> there are three folders in ~/.mozilla: default, firefox, and plugins
[05:31] <Seveas> :)
[05:31] <apokryphos> randabis_: i'll have to check the progress with that report later..
[05:31] <Seveas> lol black_nightmare :)
[05:31] <randabis_> plugins has the java plugins inside
[05:32] <randabis_> AH
[05:32] <randabis_> I think I know why they don't work
[05:32] <randabis_> they seem to be owned by root
[05:32] <apokryphos> heh
[05:32] <randabis_> hmm
[05:33] <stianj> do I do any harm if I change the root password on Hoary? Or to ask another way, what's the default root password? :)
[05:33] <Seveas> stianj, there is no root password by default
[05:33] <Seveas> ubuntu uses sudo
[05:33] <randabis_> I don't know if that's what's wrong...they look like broken symbolic links in terminal (black background with red letters)
[05:33] <Seveas> and it does no harm to change it, but it is not neccessary too
[05:33] <stianj> I kinda knew that, so do it harm to "passwd root"?
[05:33] <stianj> ok
[05:33] <stianj> thanks :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell stianj ubusudo
[05:33] <Pyre> stianj: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:33] <stianj> thanks :)
[05:34] <stianj> I'm already very familiar with sudo, but sometimes I'm writing "su -" of old habit, and instead of changing that habit right now, I thought I could use both approaches for awhile
[05:34] <stianj> thanks :)
[05:35] <alle> Please, I'm pretty new to all this and have no idea what could be wrong. The driver seems to be setup properly, there's no error message, yet the printer doesn't print :-/
[05:35] <apokryphos> randabis_: that will be an issue. Perhaps try reinstalling that stuff via apt
[05:35] <MadHadron> alle, Using gimp-print?
[05:36] <alle> MadHadron: I'm just using "Computer > System Settings > Printers"
[05:36] <ch3rn0byl> so can anyone help me mount my Ubuntu drive is OS X?
[05:36] <MadHadron> alle, It's the Epson, right?
[05:36] <randabis_> oh I think I've got it now
[05:36] <Vjaz> What was the equivalent of packages.debian.org for Ubuntu?
[05:36] <MadHadron> ch3rnobyl, Can OS X mount Linux partitions?
[05:36] <alle> MadHadron, nope, it's a Lexmark Z615
[05:36] <MadHadron> alle, I mean Lexmark
[05:36] <MadHadron> Yes,
[05:36] <alle> ya
[05:36] <MadHadron> So you're using the gimp-print
[05:37] <MadHadron> When you go to select the driver, don't choose the recommended one.  Choose cups+gimp-print
[05:37] <alle> I also tried to install it as Generic/Something, where it makes a sound and then does nothing
[05:37] <ch3rn0byl> MadHadron: yea it should be able to
[05:37] <alle> MadHadron, I only got one choice: "Standard (Suggested)"
[05:37] <Vjaz> found it...
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> it shows up, but it won't mount
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> i am trying to erase it
[05:38] <black_nightmare> seveas you know about power management?
[05:38] <Seveas> sure
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> i was thinking of just erasing it using the Ubuntu CD
[05:38] <Seveas> a little :)
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> can i do that?
[05:38] <thomaskorwed> anyone know any good pickup lines for hitting on girls?
[05:38] <MadHadron> alle, Hmm.  Do you have the gimp-print drivers installed?
[05:39] <black_nightmare> I'm wondering if its necessary...or screensaver alone is fine for if I often just shut down when I know I'm not going use for a long time?
[05:39] <Seveas> ghe, power management is more than that
[05:39] <ch3rn0byl> can the Ubuntu boot CD reformat drives?
[05:39] <Seveas> you really should leave it on if you don't have problems with it
[05:39] <alle> MadHadron, foomatic-db-gimp-print is installed, if that's what you mean. But the .ppd comes from the Lexmark website anyway.
[05:39] <thomaskorwed> here is a good one: how do you like your eggs for breakfast? fertalized? - jk jk that is just wrong lol
[05:39] <MadHadron> alle, Oh.  Hmm...
[05:40] <black_nightmare> ty anyhow seveas
[05:40] <MadHadron> black, Linux performs a lot of scheduled maintenance tasks
[05:40] <ch3rn0byl> ok........... so noone knows
[05:40] <MadHadron> black, And turning it off when you're not using it can result in a wildly unstable machine.
[05:40] <MadHadron> ch3r, I never had them coexisting when I had a mac
[05:40] <black_nightmare> seveas if its been alone for more than 60 minutes I just like click mouse or any key to like bring it back?  or what
[05:40] <MadHadron> ch3r, But if you're just after erasing the partition...
[05:40] <thomaskorwed> heh here are some funny ones at http://www.picupx.com/ its like an infinite supply of pickup lines lol
[05:40] <MadHadron> ch3r, Then the disk utilities in the OS X install can do that.
[05:40] <randabis_> nope...that didn't work either...I have libjavaplugin_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in ~/.mozilla/plugins, but java still will not work in mozilla suite
[05:40] <ch3rn0byl> MadHadron: did you have MacOS X?
[05:41] <black_nightmare> madhadron..hm well I hope I can shut it down for real nights..I mean I'm sleeping for like 7-9 hours....ok???
[05:41] <MadHadron> ch3r, Yes, on a 2001 PowerBook
[05:41] <black_nightmare> I'll leave it on during day thou
[05:41] <Seveas> you dont have too
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> MadHaron: it can only reformat mounted drives, but i cnt mount it
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> or well i dnt know how
[05:41] <Seveas> ubuntu now has anacron, all scheduled tasks will be done anyhow
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> it shows up in pdisk -l
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> -L*
[05:42] <MadHadron> ch3r, Why not use the Ubuntu install CD to erase the partition?
[05:42] <ch3rn0byl> so i cnt reformat it without mounting it
[05:42] <black_nightmare> seveas..hmm you mean its a bit like a smart scheduler itself..likewise if it was already off when a schedule was due it'll figure running that as soon as it can when its powered on?
[05:42] <black_nightmare> or am I missing something? :p
[05:42] <Seveas> you're right
[05:42] <ch3rn0byl> MadHaron: well i would like to keep the partition if possible without erasing my drive
[05:42] <alle> MadHadron: when I start gnome-cups-manager in a console, it says "** (gnome-cups-manager:6250): WARNING **: connect = 'usb://Lexmark/Z600%20Series'
[05:43] <MadHadron> MadHadron, You can just make it blank space then fill it in with OS X tools.
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> so can i just reformat that one partition via ubuntu install cd
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> ?
[05:43] <MadHadron> ch3r, Yes
[05:43] <randabis_> anyone have any ideas about why java won't work in mozilla suite?
[05:43] <Seveas> ch3rn0byl, yes
[05:43] <MadHadron> ch3r, I always use Linux CDs for maintenance on other systems like that.
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> ok...
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> ok
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> good
[05:43] <black_nightmare> seveas...hm ok ty a lot anyhow ;)
[05:43] <randabis_> I have libjavaplugin_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in ~/.mozilla/plugins, but java still will not work in mozilla suite
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> well then that is what i am going to do then
[05:44] <alle> MadHadron: And the printer properties dialog says "Ready: Starting ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1..."
[05:44] <ch3rn0byl> cuz i just am finding Ubuntu to suck with my wireless card drivers
[05:44] <MadHadron> alle, I don't know then.
[05:44] <ch3rn0byl> and plus i have backend script problems through the roof
[05:44] <MadHadron> ch3r, Using Airport?
[05:44] <ch3rn0byl> yea
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> orinoco
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> is the driver
[05:45] <MadHadron> ch3r, A more recent Mac, I take it...Ubuntu was flawless on my PowerBook.
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> it's a 2001 iBook
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> the driver works
[05:45] <Seveas> then what is it that does not work?
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> but i cnt shut off the card to run 'ifconfig eth1 hw ether MAC_ADDRESS
[05:46] <ch3rn0byl> which sux
[05:46] <alle> Is there really nothing how at least you can get some error message on what is going on???
[05:46] <MadHadron> alle, Have you tried dmesg?
[05:46] <ch3rn0byl> and seemingly kismet won't work it
[05:46] <alle> MadHadron: Yes, and /var/log/messages ... nothing
[05:46] <ch3rn0byl> or well it will after a patch, but seemingly no one has been able to help me out with that
[05:46] <Lindo> anyone here know how giFT works ?
[05:46] <black_nightmare> seveas...just curious but how old would hoary preview be? (I downloaded it like 2-3 days ago)
[05:46] <MadHadron> alle, The problem is that I'm horribly out of date.  I was last a serious Linux hacker about four years ago.
[05:47] <ch3rn0byl> i dnt know how to get the patch to work
[05:47] <MadHadron> ch3r, And I don't use wireless at all, so I can't really help you.
[05:47] <Seveas> it's not much older
[05:47] <ch3rn0byl> u dnt use wireless?
[05:47] <ch3rn0byl> jk
[05:48] <MadHadron> ch3r, Yes, yes, horribly old fashioned.
[05:48] <black_nightmare> seveas hm ty I was wondering about firefox and gaim .... going have to figure configuring gaim an dsee what it does
[05:48] <lixe> is here anybody who use an a7n8x together with an Hercules Ati-card?
[05:48] <MadHadron> black, gaim is about as easy as it gets, second only to naim.
[05:48] <osity> what's the version of UBUNTU that I should get?   I need stable!
[05:48] <alle> MadHadron: well, thanks :-) ... I'm trying to work my way through. Apparently there's a loglevel setting in cupsd.conf
[05:49] <black_nightmare> one question...
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> well i'll tell you what..... ubuntu would rule (for me at least) if i didn't have all these problems with launching network utility in GNOMe without getting a stupid backend script problem
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> and also a few other utilites
[05:49] <MadHadron> alle, Good luck.
[05:49] <black_nightmare> I kinda want my  text to be black ---any idea which number it would be in the colors preference?
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> and then it would be nice if the boot time didn't take 10 minutes when i am not home
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> it keeps trying to initialize my network interface
[05:49] <MadHadron> ch3r, 0, I think.
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> but if i am not there then it doesn't work
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> but if i am not home then it doesn't work
[05:50] <MadHadron> ch3r, A friend of mine who used wireless was complaining about configuring it as well.  He always did it through console, be he was my successor hereabouts as guru.
[05:50] <black_nightmare> test....
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> well for now i am gonna dump that partition
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> and work it out later
[05:50] <Bazzi> :o
[05:51] <ch3rn0byl> so cya
[05:51] <black_nightmare> test....
[05:51] <black_nightmare> ok thats a bit better now :)
[05:51] <ch3rn0byl> gotta boot off of CD
[05:51] <typo> how do I enable mod_rewrite in apache?
[05:51] <Bazzi> I also had network initialize problems
[05:51] <xLobeznox> how can I enable gnome mozilla support?
[05:51] <xLobeznox> is not enabled now
[05:51] <MadHadron> Anyway, I'm off.
[05:52] <SeanQ> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support i think, xLobeznox
[05:52] <eyequeue> typo:  touch /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load
[05:52] <xLobeznox> SeanQ, is installed
[05:52] <xLobeznox> SeanQ, but not enabled
[05:52] <eyequeue> typo:  should ave been covered in your docs though
[05:52] <Cred> Hello. Could someone help me of with sound. I have audio from Totem but Rhythmbox doesn't give out anything. I've looked the forums but nothing that would make it work..
[05:52] <SeanQ> ah
[05:53] <Roey> crimsun:  ping
[05:54] <n3t> hy
[05:54] <osity> che3rnobyl:  what version are you using?
[05:54] <n3t> i have try to install ubuntu on g3
[05:54] <n3t> but nothing happen
[05:54] <alterim> can someone PLEASE offer me some help installing ndiswrapper????
[05:54] <typo> eyequeue: thanks
[05:54] <n3t> no boot
[05:55] <alterim> or can someone advise me on a partitioning scheme so i can share files with xp
[05:55] <n3t> no starting
[05:55] <black_nightmare> so.. does hoary preview have the rendering-faulty or the better 'newer' firefox?
[05:55] <black_nightmare> just wondering
[05:55] <n3t> can anyone help me ?
[05:55] <jamin_> hey, does anybody know if the powerpc distro of the hoary preview is compatible with the apple wireless bluetooth mouse and keyboard?
[05:55] <robitaille> black_nightmare: hoary uses firefox 1.0.2 which should be the latest one available
[05:56] <Bazzi> latest+greatest
[05:56] <black_nightmare> ah ty
[05:56] <black_nightmare> going config it for myself now :0
[05:56] <black_nightmare> brb
[05:57] <osity> che3rnobyl:  what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[05:58] <n3t> the last one
[05:58] <n3t> 2.6. not esactly i remember
[05:58] <n3t> i just received yesterday
[05:58] <n3t> via express
[05:59] <osity> n3t are you che3rn0ble?
[05:59] <n3t> no
[05:59] <zyga> black_nightmare: hoary uses 1.0.2 but the thing you need will be in 1.1.x, it's in different branch
[05:59] <mdz> jamin_: you'll need to install a few extra packages to get bluetooth working; it isn't integrated in the default install yet
[06:00] <alterim> can someone advise me on how to partition my 120gb from windows, so i am ready for a xp/ubuntu dual boot?
[06:00] <dere1> does the installer recognize additional operating systems and partition accordingly so one can "dual boot"?
[06:00] <popeye> does anyone here use an ali m1689 chipset
[06:01] <Bazzi> alterim just cut some GB of, I have 8GB
[06:02] <alterim> can someone advise me on how to partition my 120gb from windows, so i am ready for a xp/ubuntu dual boot?
[06:02] <alterim> like, what app do i download
[06:02] <omni_lonnie> dere1: yep, in fact it even corectly name XP home in grub
[06:02] <alterim> do i have a fat32 for sharing
[06:02] <CB201> hey
[06:02] <CB201> does anyone know how I can get tuxracer to open up in windowed mode?
[06:02] <alterim> do i have a small xp partition (via cutting some off) then have a huge fat32
[06:02] <alterim> what what what help!
[06:02] <Bazzi> :P
[06:03] <Bazzi> dunno how much you really want to share
[06:03] <alterim> i just want to use xp and windows!
[06:03] <Bazzi> I do all multimedia stuff still with windows, logically I dont need a big fat32
[06:03] <alterim> so do i
[06:03] <omni_lonnie> dere1: that's what I do on my laptop.  6gig for windows 6gig for linux and the rest as fat32 for data between the two.
[06:04] <alterim> and a swap for linux?
[06:04] <Bazzi> then you maybe need a small one. say 1x 10GB ext2 for ubuntu, 1x10GB fat32 for most comfortable sharing and the rest for windows
[06:04] <n3t> i got a problem with ubuntu
[06:04] <alterim> don't we all
[06:05] <alterim> omni_lonnie SWAP?!
[06:05] <alterim> Bazzi SWAP?!
[06:05] <n3t> this one does not start on powerpc g3 why ?
[06:05] <alterim> christ on a bike
[06:05] <Bazzi> swap swap
[06:05] <black_nightmare> back
[06:05] <alterim> do i need teh fuckin' swap
[06:05] <Bazzi> I think so
[06:05] <alterim> then MENTION this
[06:05] <Bazzi> Ive got a boot, a swap and the normal
[06:05] <alterim> MENTION this omni_lonnie
[06:05] <alterim> i'm too new
[06:05] <alterim> shit
[06:05] <alterim> i hate all this linux crap
[06:05] <Bazzi> well you cna partition that when installing ubuntu :P
[06:05] <alterim> can't it just be easy?!
[06:06] <Bazzi> no
[06:06] <Bazzi> that would take the fun
[06:06] <nmsa> sure thing!
[06:06] <Bazzi> being able to install linux properly already is a sign that you're good ;)
[06:07] <black_nightmare> hey..how do I tell the size of my..umm...my main hd (or 'filesystem') and free space?
[06:07] <alterim> ok, it's like this: i am in xp right now. i have a net connection in xp. i want to partition the hard drive like little ntfs for windows, little ext3 for ubuntu, little swap for linux, rest of hd fat32 for shared. now, what the hell do i do next?
[06:07] <alterim> i have no partitioning sotware as we speak
[06:07] <alterim> so what i do is this:
[06:07] <alterim> first to help gets a mars bar
[06:07] <alterim> ...
[06:07] <Roben> how do I enable Java in firefox?
[06:07] <black_nightmare> roben.. in settings
[06:08] <Roben> the ubuntuguide is not updated
[06:08] <nmsa> I just hate wid00ze ... today on my laptop, xp, I made a cature from my camcorder ... win was working ... hard ... that not even reboot was working .. bad thing
[06:08] <Bazzi> alterim norton partition magic should help
[06:08] <n3t> http://www.ubuntu.com
[06:08] <alterim> i dont fuckin have partition magic
[06:08] <alterim> i'm after a FREE program
[06:08] <nmsa> alterim: use the computer management in xp
[06:08] <alterim> yuou telling me there are no FREE PROGRAMS
[06:08] <mz2> whoa, devilspie rocks
[06:08] <alterim> computer management in xp?!
[06:08] <Bazzi> use linux to format it
[06:08] <Bazzi> on install time
[06:08] <robitaille> alterim:  qtparted
[06:08] <nmsa> create you partitns for  xp and leave some space for ubuntu
[06:08] <alterim> qtparted right now maybe we're getting somewhere
[06:09] <alterim> can i not use the ubuntu installer to completely do all of this?!
[06:09] <Bazzi> yes you can
[06:09] <alterim> everyone tells me something different man
[06:09] <Bazzi> just try it for crying out loud
[06:10] <alterim> it fucks me right off. that's what i can't stand about the linux community
[06:10] <black_nightmare> bazzi so true.. I tried install ubuntu to a clean system and presto..I'm on xchat IN ubuntu :D
[06:10] <Roben> black_nightmare: it doesn't work.
[06:10] <mz2> alterim, there's considerably more to the linux community than grumpy irc channels, tho :)
[06:10] <Bazzi> alterim backup your data, the worst can happen that everything is deleted
[06:10] <nmsa> alterim: computer management in xp, from contr. panel ... dude, the best way for u is yhe known way, u know wind00ze, use windoze to partition
[06:10] <black_nightmare> roben..hrm no idea then sorry...you shouldve have caught seveas but I think there gone now
[06:11] <alterim> oh right you are a NEWBIE and want the SIMPLEST way? oh right, just report the FTRAN nodes over the USO link and NVF the dists or just PROC the shell
[06:11] <alterim> ok nmsa, i'll give it a shot
[06:11] <alterim> can i make my xp part a bit smaller this way, without losing any data?
[06:11] <mz2> alterim, gparted is nicer than qtparted though
[06:11] <mz2> :)
[06:12] <alterim> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[06:12] <Bazzi> haha
[06:12] <Bazzi> so owned
[06:12] <nmsa> if you want to reduce u have to use linux :)))
[06:12] <Roey> can anyone help me get my sound working? there is /no/ sound even though stuff is playing.
[06:12] <nmsa> or partition magic !
[06:12] <black_nightmare> bazzi do you know if there is something like windows 'device manager' ?  you know like to check what hardwares ubuntu is seeing?
[06:12] <alterim> well i might aswell use this qtparted thingy right?
[06:12] <mz2> yes, you can, as long as the start of the partition is kept at the same point?
[06:12] <Bazzi> black_nightmare gnome has something.
[06:12] <mz2> *i think)
[06:12] <black_nightmare> I just want check if my sound card was installed or I'll have to try manually config it
[06:12] <mz2> (
[06:12] <alterim> oh fuckit, i'll leave it how it is for now
[06:12] <Bazzi> but I'm on windows right now
[06:12] <theine> Roey: you might have to unmute the mixer channels
[06:12] <alterim> i'm going to install 5.04 then
[06:12] <black_nightmare> bazzi...hmm....
[06:13] <fgubuntu> black_nightmare, lspci
[06:13] <nmsa> alterim, is a very nervous guy ...
[06:13] <Roey> theine:  hmm, it turned out to be playing on the integrated sound port
[06:13] <black_nightmare> fgub its actually isa...thats the thing..but then nevermind I somehow stumbled across it duh... system>admin>device manager
[06:14] <CB201> alterim, the Ubuntu community is one of the friendliest Linux support communities out there imho
[06:14] <theine> Roey: hmm
[06:14] <CB201> does anyone know how I can get tuxracer to open up in windowed mode?
[06:14] <idn> does anyone know what the development cycle of ubuntu is?
[06:15] <idn> how often they rease distros?
[06:15] <black_nightmare> hmm doesn't look like I have any sound card at all....
[06:15] <fgubuntu> idn, 6 month
[06:15] <CB201> every six months, to coincide with GNOME updates
[06:15] <black_nightmare> anyone know what umm...command it was again to run the isa pnp tool thinge?
[06:15] <black_nightmare> or is it an apt-get I have to get?
[06:15] <idn> cool
[06:15] <black_nightmare> its creative soundblaster 16 [pnp isa, CT2230 model] 
[06:16] <CB201> nightmare are you trying to install something or update it or just run it?
[06:16] <Bazzi> oh my
[06:16] <Bazzi> black_nightmare how old is that thing?
[06:16] <black_nightmare> bazzi...to me not that much but to the average people .. I guess they may as well as think its old
[06:16] <djp> how are people finding the latest preview release of hoary? i find my warty install is nice and stable for my needs at present, so am reluctant to move to hoary just yet...
[06:16] <black_nightmare> I quite like my sound card...used quite a lot when I was still windows-only
[06:17] <Bazzi> like 10 years?
[06:17] <black_nightmare> bazzi...ok here's one hint.. its 440EX
[06:17] <black_nightmare> :)
[06:17] <baise> hi all.
[06:17] <Bazzi> think thats before the time I bought my first pc
[06:17] <black_nightmare> hey baise
[06:17] <baise> does anyone know why i'd get a sluggish when i boot with acpi enabled?
[06:17] <baise> a sluggish system*
[06:18] <robitaille> djp:  I find hoary quite stable.  But if you're going to switch and a little bit reluctant, jsut wait 2 weeks until after the official release
[06:18] <black_nightmare> bazzi...oh ok...well..I'll like to see about getting this creative card working with ubuntu if I can :)
[06:18] <djp> black_nightmare: i have an old ess audiodrive working in a pc here!
[06:18] <black_nightmare> djp....lol :p
[06:18] <black_nightmare> mine is 4 sound lines and one joystick/midi port... the card itself is a tad long thou [these useless ide cdrom connectors on rear] 
[06:19] <baise> i need acpi because i'm running a p4 laptop with hyperthreaded cpu, but window redraws etc are really slow with acpi
[06:19] <Bazzi> baise you dont *need* HT do you?
[06:19] <baise> Bazzi, well it's better for ripping cd's etc
[06:19] <Roey> hello, I have two sound devices (integrated and sblive).  What device name do I supply to mpg123 -a  in order to play on the sblive?
[06:20] <Bazzi> ripping cds? that does even my opld p2 266 well :P
[06:20] <baise> grip treats as an smp machine, so i can multitask with it
[06:20] <baise> but only when acpi is on
[06:20] <Bazzi> >:(
[06:20] <Bazzi> so you have that 686-smp kernel right?
[06:20] <baise> Bazzi, yeah
[06:21] <Bazzi> 2.6.10-4?
[06:21] <baise> 2.6.10-5
[06:21] <Bazzi> hm, k.
[06:21] <Bazzi> I think i read something about that in the 2.6.11 kernel changelog, maybe you should wait till it's ubuntu'ed and see if its any better
[06:21] <Roey>  (anyone?)
[06:22] <baise> Bazzi, right, i'll take a look thanks
[06:22] <nmsa> is there a package webmin for ubuntu ?
[06:22] <baise> Bazzi, can you remember what it said?
[06:22] <Bazzi> ?
[06:22] <baise> in the changelog
[06:23] <godsmoke> nmsa: yes ... there is ... you can search on your own
[06:23] <Bazzi> oh no, I just flew over it because I searched for pentium m changes
[06:23] <Bazzi> and I thought I read something HT related
[06:23] <black_nightmare> any of you know where that ubuntu software listing page was again??
[06:23] <black_nightmare> I don't seem to have been able to locate it from the wiki again
[06:24] <yahalom> hi can someone help me with the shutdown comman plz. This is what I type:  sudo shutdown -a -t sec -kh "+15m" "bye" and it doesn't work. Everywhere I got to read this is how I understand to do it, but everyone time i do it brings up the shutdown option
[06:24] <Roey> yahalom:  you know what your nick means
[06:24] <nmsa> godsmoke: apt-get doesn't find it ... synaptic maybe ...
[06:24] <Roey> yahalom:  er... heh, guess ya do ;)
[06:24] <yahalom> yes
[06:24] <yahalom> ;)
[06:24] <Roey> =)
[06:24] <godsmoke> nmsa: you need to add the universe repositories, please consult the Ubuntu Wiki
[06:24] <black_nightmare> no one have any idea about link?
[06:25] <nmsa> godsmoke: 'thnx
[06:26] <yahalom> godsmoke: how come the debian ones dont work anymore? it mentions the public key lately
[06:26] <yahalom> recent change?
[06:27] <godsmoke> yahalom: excuse me?
[06:27] <godsmoke> the debian whats?
[06:27] <nmsa> I am a mdk fun, but I see ubuntu as very fast ... excelent distro!
[06:27] <yahalom> godsmoke: repositories
[06:27] <godsmoke> uh
[06:27] <godsmoke> I have no idea what you're referring to
[06:28] <godsmoke> there is no single debian repository -- there are hundreds -- mirrors
[06:28] <godsmoke> and they don't have any problem
[06:28] <black_nightmare> :|
[06:28] <yahalom> godsmoke: the nerim ones
[06:29] <godsmoke> yahalom: heh, that's pretty specific -- might have wanted to say that
[06:29] <godsmoke> no idea, consult the guy who runs them
[06:29] <yahalom> godsmoke: any idea where i can find debian repositories, cos I'm only stuck with the ubuntu ones
[06:29] <godsmoke> I don't know what you're asking
[06:30] <godsmoke> nerim is a repository for a specific set of packages -- it's not a debian repository
[06:30] <SysFail> i cant imagine you needing something that isnt in the universe repos
[06:30] <SysFail> everything is there
[06:30] <godsmoke> SysFail: haha
[06:30] <godsmoke> uh
[06:30] <SysFail> if it isnt then compile it
[06:30] <godsmoke> no
[06:30] <godsmoke> there are a number of supplemental repositories for debian -- ubuntu just takes the debian packages, so ...
[06:30] <godsmoke> obviously those supplements apply in ubuntu
[06:31] <SysFail> so compile it then
[06:31] <godsmoke> why not use the packages?
[06:31] <yahalom> good point, still a virgin to linux, excuse the alien talk
[06:31] <godsmoke> you're not giving a reason
[06:31] <godsmoke> honestly, unless you need something special -- there's no reason to break the package system with custom compilations
[06:31] <godsmoke> and since we're speaking generally about any potential program or package, that argument is useless
[06:31] <Bazzi> something like php5 :D
[06:32] <SysFail> cause there arent packages for every obscure app out there
[06:32] <SysFail> sometimes you just have to compile
[06:32] <godsmoke> but you're telling him NOT to use the repositories
[06:32] <godsmoke> with no explanation
[06:32] <SysFail> no i didnt
[06:32] <SysFail> yahalom godsmoke: any idea where i can find debian repositories, cos I'm only stuck with the ubuntu ones
[06:32] <SysFail> SysFail i cant imagine you needing something that isnt in the universe repos
[06:32] <godsmoke> mplayer
[06:33] <yahalom> godsmoke: i have all the ubuntu repositories and sometimes certain packages dont exist, so I added debian repositories from the unofficial ubuntu guide, they worked, then all of a sudden they need a public key, so i can no longer get those packages
[06:33] <godsmoke> that's what most people want nerim for
[06:33] <SysFail> kaffeine is better anyways
[06:33] <godsmoke> haha
[06:33] <godsmoke> don't troll, dude
[06:33] <godsmoke> if someone wants mplayer, then there are VERY well-maintained packages for it
[06:33] <godsmoke> so don't argue about nothing
[06:33] <SysFail> wasnt arguing about anything
[06:33] <SysFail> cept the fact youre a moron
[06:34] <yahalom> when is someone going to make an mp3 repository?
[06:34] <Bazzi> apt-get install nelly_furtado* ;)
[06:34] <SysFail> hahaha
[06:34] <yahalom> lol
[06:35] <EddieX> :)
[06:35] <black_nightmare> bazzi do you know if there's like some kind of apt-get listing?
[06:35] <Bazzi> black_nightmare whatdya mean?
[06:35] <Bazzi> all packages you can get
[06:35] <Bazzi> or what?
[06:35] <Bazzi> if so, there's apt-cache
[06:36] <black_nightmare> bazzi....I know there was one game that I downloaded the win32 version of... there was a ubuntu version too but I can not EVEN find the ubuntu software site anymore :|
[06:36] <black_nightmare> so... either where is that listing site again or can I kind of like have an apt-get list?
[06:36] <Bazzi> whats the games' name?
[06:36] <black_nightmare> bleah
[06:36] <EddieX> Is it secure to use limewire ?
[06:36] <black_nightmare> bazzi.. lincity
[06:36] <Bazzi> apt-cache search lincity
[06:36] <Bazzi> what does that output?
[06:37] <black_nightmare> one second..let me start terminal
[06:38] <black_nightmare> doesn't return anything but leaves me at a 2nd # prompt line
[06:38] <black_nightmare> but I knew it was in a ubuntu software list....wish I had bookmarked it
[06:39] <theine> black_nightmare: it's in the universe repository
[06:39] <black_nightmare> theine...and where would that be? :)
[06:39] <yahalom> ok who else here thinks that type of repository system for mp3s is retarderd?
[06:39] <yahalom> retarded
[06:40] <Bazzi> yahalom I'm coll with it ;)
[06:40] <Bazzi> *cool
[06:40] <javiolo> hi
[06:40] <theine> black_nightmare: i'd suggest you read about it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto for example
[06:40] <yahalom> and am i the only one who doesnt care about downloading music illegally?
[06:41] <theine> black_nightmare: you get loads of additional software packages if you enable the universe repository
[06:41] <yahalom> cos then i'll stop using limewire owing to lonliness
[06:41] <SysFail> youre right yahalom ...nobody cares...gimmie your address and ill send it to the RIAA
[06:42] <idn> does anyone know of a good pdf viewer?
[06:42] <yahalom> SysFail: u dont use LimeWire or Qtella or amule?
[06:42] <black_nightmare> well theine...I'll like to be able to see this site again I saw before and forgot to bookmark?  especially that it had links to any author websites when there were one (thats how I found the win32 download of lincity)
[06:42] <cyfr0n> idn, xpdf is fine.
[06:42] <black_nightmare> but anyhow..guess I'll look at that link of yours too
[06:42] <idn> yeah but it has no feature to select text
[06:42] <SysFail> nope
[06:43] <theine> black_nightmare: is it http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:43] <yahalom> Bamboo Rd 7, Christmas Islands, 95732
[06:43] <theine> black_nightmare: check out that one
[06:43] <cyfr0n> idn, you can select blocks of text by mouse in xpdf AFAIR
[06:43] <yahalom> SysFail: wow...that's actually impressive (not being sarcastic)
[06:44] <bodhi> hi, how can i use a serial port infrared adapter?
[06:44] <yahalom> can anyone help me with the shutdown command plz
[06:45] <apokryphos> yahalom: what's the problem?
[06:46] <yahalom> apokryphos: what is wrong with this cmd:  sudo shutdown -a -t sec -kh "+15m" "bye" ?
[06:46] <apokryphos> erm, a little unnecessary to just shutdown
[06:46] <apokryphos> yahalom: you can just use shutdown -h now
[06:46] <yahalom> apokryphos: i want to give a warning to a network b4 i shutdown
[06:47] <shnastybiznastic> alright, i'm looking at setting my gf up with ubuntu, what video player does it use by default?
[06:47] <yahalom> apokryphos: so that everyone can close their work, and call me to complain
[06:47] <SysFail> uses totem i think
[06:47] <SysFail> and its horrible
[06:47] <shnastybiznastic> hrmn, I don't like totem at all
[06:47] <SysFail> i changed the default to kaffeine
[06:47] <shnastybiznastic> is there a way to get mplayer on there?
[06:47] <theine> yahalom: you should replace the 'sec' in '-t sec' with an actual number...
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  so basically I forgot to make the 'wacom.ko' kernel module.  Since then it's gone downhill, I need your help to do this over again (shouldn't be too hard..)
[06:48] <yahalom> theine:  if i put lets say -t 3 can i still put something for time like 10:45 or is that a contradiction?
[06:49] <yahalom> theine:   sudo shutdown -a -t 3 -kh "+15m" "bye"
[06:49] <SysFail> mplayer isnt in apt
[06:49] <bodhi> anyone know how to install a serial IrDA?
[06:49] <SysFail> we jsut had this arguement
[06:49] <SysFail> heh
[06:49] <apokryphos> SysFail: add the extra repos.
[06:49] <SysFail> its not in universe was the arguement i think
[06:49] <theine> yahalom: no, sec is the time between sending processes the warning and the kill signal
[06:49] <apokryphos> It's in Multiverse
[06:50] <theine> yahalom: man shutdown
[06:50] <yahalom> theine:   sudo shutdown -a -t 3 -kh "+15m" "bye" so this should work?
[06:50] <apokryphos> shnastybiznastic: yes, add the extra repos and you're good to go.
[06:50] <shnastybiznastic> also, accelerated drivers, she has an nvidia, I think, is the way to get accelerated drivers different in ubuntu
[06:51] <apokryphos> shnastybiznastic: just download from repos.
[06:51] <yahalom> apokryphos: where do i get the xtra repos?
[06:51] <theine> black_nightmare: ubuntuguide.org isn't large??
[06:51] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: thanks, i'm new to repository based stuff, I use slackware almost exclusivley...
[06:51] <theine> yahalom: what's "bye" for?
[06:51] <UnbuntuBaby> man i must have really screwed something up in my linux PPC install!
[06:51] <apokryphos> yahalom: it depends, which one? Multiverse just enable it in your sources.list
[06:51] <yahalom> theine: warning message
[06:51] <UnbuntuBaby> my pram battery is screwed and now I cant log in!
[06:52] <theine> yahalom: also i think using -k and -h at the same time doesn't make much sense
[06:52] <django> ah so ubunto uses the apt package manager?
[06:52] <django> ununtu*
[06:52] <theine> yahalom: ah, ok
[06:52] <UnbuntuBaby> I keep getting that a root enforced password change needs to take place, then i get too early to change (!?!?)
[06:52] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: so I just download the nvidia driver repositories?
[06:52] <yahalom> theine: -k Don't really shutdown; only send the warning messages to everybody. Isn't that right?
[06:52] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: and install them of course
[06:52] <theine> yahalom: well, depends on what you actually want
[06:52] <apokryphos> shnastybiznastic: not the repositories; the files *from* the repositories, yes. :)
[06:52] <yahalom> theine: -h  	Halt after shutdown.
[06:53] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: alright, thanks
[06:53] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell shnastybiznastic ubutweaking
[06:53] <Pyre> shnastybiznastic: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:53] <theine> yahalom: you're right, i guess those two options do make sense together
[06:53] <javiolo> has anyone tried bluesnarf ?
[06:53] <yahalom> theine: i want my pc to shutdown in 15 minutes and to send a warning to everyone telling them that it will shutdown, but then not really shutdown, just to see how it works
[06:54] <shnastybiznastic> thanks Pyre
[06:54] <cyfr0n> I think somebody should add ubuntuguide.org to the topic :)
[06:54] <yahalom> theine: i guess it not a common command. i need it for a network
[06:54] <theine> yahalom: what error message do you actually get when you issue the above command?
[06:55] <shnastybiznastic> alright everyone, I'll probably be back in after downloading and installing on her machine
[06:55] <shnastybiznastic> laters
[06:55] <theine> yahalom: do you get an error messsage?
[06:55] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone know how to boot into single user mode?
[06:55] <biezt> the installation keeps hanging at installing openoffice and now i'm in some kind of module manager
[06:55] <WeirdAl> Ooh, here's a question for you
[06:55] <biezt> what do i do now ?
[06:55] <WeirdAl> I'm on a 32-bit system at the moment.
[06:55] <yahalom> theine: i dont get an error message i get the shutdown options, as if the commands i gave are not in the options, but they are
[06:55] <WeirdAl> How hard would it be to convert to 64-bit Hoary when I get my A64?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> backup your home. and reiinstall :P
[06:56] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: "sudo init 1" I guess
[06:56] <WeirdAl> Without doing that? :-p
[06:56] <theine> yahalom: not sure if i can help you, but look into the manpage
[06:56] <UnbuntuBaby> theine: from the login prompt?? at which point during startup do i type that?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> o do like i did. get a new HD.. install 64bit version to it. keep home
[06:56] <yahalom> UbuntuBaby: sulogin
[06:56] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: you can type it any time you want
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> then when ya are sure its working good.. remve the 32 bit version
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> ...i mean is there anyway of jumping to terminal from the Username |[06:57] <yahalom> UbuntuBaby: theine: thanx
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> on OSX you can type >console and jump straight to single user mode, whats the equivalent in Ubuntu?
[06:57] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: but save your work before you do that...
[06:57] <queuetue> GAH! Can someone *please* explain how to make sound less fragile under linux?  I've been using linux as my primary desktop for 3 years, and as a server for more than 5, and I've *never* had sound work on a box for more than a few minutes.  Ubuntu is the first distro that sound worked out of the box, but as soon as a Gnome "system event" happens, all non-gnome sounds die.  I'm trying to get the x-lite softphone to work, but every time ubun
[06:57] <queuetue> tu makes a "bonk" noise to alert everyone in the room that I have clicked on a menu, it becomes useless until I reboot.
[06:57] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: ctl-alt-F2 should get you a console when you're at the login screen, too.
[06:57] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: sudo -s
[06:58] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: but that's not single user mode
[06:58] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: but maybe what you want...
[06:58] <WeirdAl> You're right, doc -- I'm gonna be getting a new disk aren't I? :-)
[06:58] <WeirdAl> OK crisis averted.
[06:58] <Twiggy> I get an error in totem when I try to play DVDs, "Cannot read resource dvd://" anybody know what's up?
[06:58] <queuetue> Is it a hardware issue?  Does linux just suck on cheap audio hardware?
[06:58] <queuetue> If I go buy a high-end sound card, will these problems go away, or just become more expensive?
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> WeirdAl:  i found 160gb hd - for $40 after rebates.. just got Kubuntu going on it.
[06:58] <WeirdAl> You're using totem, that's whats up.
[06:58] <yahalom> sulogin is much simpler
[06:58] <yahalom> sudo sulogin
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> queuetue:  ive rarely had an issue useing my Creative sound careds
[06:59] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: If the problem is a bad password, then you may need real single-user mode.  But from ctl-alt-F2 you could try logging in as either yourself or root.
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: ctrl-alt-f2 ill try, hrm...
[06:59] <WeirdAl> Twiggy: try kaffeine or xine for DVDs
[06:59] <WeirdAl> Also install libdvdcss2
[06:59] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: what is it that you want to do?
[06:59] <WeirdAl> I installed xine, then libdvdcss2 and had no problems.
[06:59] <akk> queuetue: Linux is usually better on old/cheap hardware, but sometimes not on brand new cheap hardware.
[06:59] <theine> akk: root login probably won't work...
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> wierd this is that a root enforced password is asking me to change my password, then what i go to do this
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> i get "too early to cahnge password"
[07:00] <Quinn_Storm> it really depends on the hardware, I have old but nice hardware that isn't fully supported (flaky usb controller)
[07:00] <queuetue> Dr_Willis, Do you use applications that use esd, arts, and direct hardware simultaneously?
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> could the clock be wrong?
[07:00] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: when do you get this error message?
[07:00] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: You can type date to see what it thinks the time is.
[07:01] <akk> (if you're logged in to a shell, anyway)
[07:01] <queuetue> "too early"?
[07:02] <UnbuntuBaby> exact pahraise im getting: "you much wait longer to change your password"
[07:02] <UnbuntuBaby> how much longer?!
[07:02] <kbrooks> lol
[07:02] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: which command gives you that error message??
[07:02] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, It says "you much wait longer"?  When you do what?
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> whan i log in using my username and password, the one i assigned a few nights ago on this laptop
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> i log in and i get You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> sounds okay, so i do
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> but as soon as i go to do this, i get
[07:03] <biezt> help me !! ~~
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> "you much wait longer to change your password"
[07:04] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, misspelled like that?
[07:04] <UnbuntuBaby> i think it might be my pram clock, but that shouldnt metter should it?!
[07:05] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, I think I'd reboot into single-user and remove whatever is giving you that message...
[07:05] <queuetue> With a hammer if necessary.
[07:05] <UnbuntuBaby> "you MUST wait longer to change your password", if i type any slower and neater my messages will be scattered all over the channel, then I wont know what i typed and where.
[07:06] <UnbuntuBaby> queuetue: sounds like a fun idea, but this is my favourite laptop you see
[07:07] <Bizzeh> ubuntu default install(er) doesnt suport scsi
[07:07] <nmsa> is someone using ubuntu to capture video from a camcorder? IEE1394? I am interested in that, hope that I can find a package, any idea where to start ?
[07:08] <UnbuntuBaby> heres another error i just got that i wasnt getting before: Authentication token manipulation error
[07:08] <yahalom> UnbuntuBaby,      "  Check whether the password management and the authentication management
[07:08] <yahalom> are using the same module for . If the authentication is using PAM Kerberos and
[07:08] <yahalom> password change is using PAM Unix then that can be a problem ."
[07:08] <jamin_> I just installed ubuntu (powerpc), used it for a while then restarted and it went back to osx. Now I try "Startup Disk" and osx doesnt recognize it so how would I boot back into ubuntu from osx?
[07:09] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_: during reboot there should be a key command for G3 processors that lets you pick which OS you want to boot from
[07:10] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_: its aside from the "Startup DIsk" section, which is OSX software related; its a firmware key command
[07:10] <UnbuntuBaby> ...heh, i know this one as its a Macintosh hardware question rather than a Linux qn! :)
[07:11] <alterim> can someone please help me with partitioning issue
[07:11] <Spicouc> hi people
[07:11] <jamin_> hmm, do you mean holding "alt" while you start up?
[07:12] <alterim> can someone please help me with partitioning issue
[07:12] <alterim> ???
[07:12] <UnbuntuBaby> holding the Option key, yeah, is that helping?
[07:12] <Spicouc> anyone ha've installed an USB wireless device?
[07:12] <jamin_> i'm going to try it, it's on a different computer btw ;)
[07:12] <alterim> can someone please help me with partitioning issue???
[07:12] <alterim> i am using partition magic on xp
[07:12] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_ keep holding it till you get a dark grey screen with a very basic picture of the OS's you can choose from
[07:13] <alterim> need to figure out a decent partitoning scheme before i install ubuntu
[07:13] <alterim> anyone help?
[07:13] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_: yeah same here, im in trillian via a x86 machine and working beside my G3 Bronze Powerbook
[07:13] <nmsa> alterim: go on ... ask your questions
[07:14] <UnbuntuBaby> Does anyone here knw what a Authentication token manipulation error is??
[07:14] <Spicouc> i need help, i'm trying to install an usb wireless device but i don't have any idea how to do it... anyone can help me
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. trying to  apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla   - but its not found.. added new hoary sources.. but is this perahs an amd64 issue? is there a flashplayer for amd64?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> rereading the guide now.. perhaps i just missed somthing.
[07:15] <airox> Hi, is there some nice way to let ubuntu autodetect my hardware and change the configuration for it ?
[07:15] <WeirdAl> airox, it kind of should ...
[07:15] <airox> And is modconf not included in ubuntu ?
[07:16] <queuetue> airox, What kind of hjardware is it?
[07:16] <airox> WeirdAl, I installed ubuntu and know added a new sound card.
[07:16] <queuetue> airox, Most will "just work" or "never work" :)
[07:17] <airox> Well I have my C-Media snd card up (module cmpci) but it only uses 2 speakers somehow ...
[07:17] <jamin_> Unbuntubaby: I did that exactly, it only shows macintosh HD which is the option to go into osx. Then there is the arrow and the circle arrow, btw i'm on an imac g5 right now but using linux on an imac dv g3
[07:17] <queuetue> ...Don't get me started with sound support... :)
[07:17] <airox> *sigh* ;)
[07:17] <jamin_> let me try again...
[07:18] <airox> But is there modconf available for ubuntu ?
[07:18] <airox> Would be cool ;)
[07:18] <ubuntoid> Is there a way to install from the LiveCD?
[07:18] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin: theres another method as well, but you need the OSX boot disks to do it, do you have the OSX boot disks handy?
[07:20] <Lemonzest> that dhcp package been fix
[07:22] <Remda> moin
[07:22] <srv> I'm trying to install the KDE packages with Synaptic, but when I mark it for installation, it tells me a bunch of required files have unresolved dependencies then tells me to make sure I have all the correct repositories added.  When I go to: Settings -> Repositories, I have all of them checked.
[07:22] <srv> Anyone have any idea whats wrong?
[07:22] <airox> Is there somewhere alsaconf for ubuntu?
[07:22] <queuetue> srv, are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[07:23] <queuetue> srv, *have* you done a dist-upgrade would be a bettter question.
[07:23] <Roey> hmm
[07:23] <Roey> here's my experience with Ubuntu so far:
[07:23] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/jAi70M59.html
[07:23] <srv> Not sure what dist-upgrade is...I have a program I want to install thats meant for KDE
[07:23] <srv> so I figured, install the KDE packages
[07:24] <airox> Roey, So you like ubuntu.
[07:24] <mebaran151> anybody here having any problems with XMMS on amd64
[07:24] <mebaran151> mine isnt leaving any logs
[07:24] <mebaran151> or starting up
[07:24] <queuetue> Roey, This is your list of major problems?
[07:24] <mebaran151> it dies
[07:24] <mebaran151> but doesnt say whys
[07:24] <WeirdAl> I can't find my Photoshop CD ... does that count as an Ubuntu problem? ;-)
[07:25] <mebaran151> WeirdAl, yes
[07:25] <Dalkus> mebaran151, You tried running it in a terminal and checking what error it gives?
[07:25] <mebaran151> Ubuntu ihs been responsible for every major CD theft sine 1920
[07:25] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:25] <mebaran151> I start it from terminal
[07:25] <Roey> queuetue:  yes.
[07:25] <mebaran151> and seems to start
[07:25] <mebaran151> but nothing loads
[07:25] <mebaran151> it doesnt go to bash
[07:25] <Dalkus> no errors?
[07:25] <mebaran151> it just dies
[07:25] <queuetue> Roey, Seems like mostly non-issues.
[07:25] <mebaran151> well it just leaves sapce to type
[07:25] <Roey> airox:  "choose your poison."
[07:25] <WeirdAl> hey ... my irman's not working.
[07:25] <WeirdAl> wtf
[07:25] <Roey> queuetue:  how so?
[07:25] <mebaran151> but no error output
[07:25] <alterim> is it better to install GRUB on the MBR or on a linux boot partition?
[07:25] <Dalkus> hmm
[07:26] <mebaran151> alterim MBR is cooler
[07:26] <Dalkus> alainm, MBR
[07:26] <airox> Roey, Love poison please.
[07:26] <alterim> why MBR?
[07:26] <Dalkus> Better setup... more likley to work
[07:26] <mebaran151> MBR is like the master boot sector
[07:26] <UnbuntuBaby> quick question, do the Ubuntu boot disks have a recovery, or a system utilities on them in case things go arwy?
[07:26] <alterim> what is the difference? i hear you can lose the MBR and fuck the xp part of the dual boot up
[07:26] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, yep
[07:26] <mebaran151> UbuntuBaby, minimal
[07:26] <mebaran151> you should probably use a livecd
[07:26] <UnbuntuBaby> seems to me my only other option then! :P
[07:26] <mebaran151> if you thing that might the problem
[07:27] <UnbuntuBaby> thanks for that membaran151 :)
[07:27] <mebaran151> if you want recovery
[07:27] <mebaran151> Knoppix or Ubuntu LiveCD's are nice
[07:27] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, I'd get a live CD - boot with that and have a fully functional distro to 'fix' with.
[07:27] <UnbuntuBaby> its for a totally different install of Ubunto (Linux PPC ed.)
[07:27] <mebaran151> ah
[07:27] <UnbuntuBaby> Ubunto=Ubuntu
[07:27] <mebaran151> in the future
[07:27] <Dalkus> alterim, It's generally considerd better practice and safer to isntall onto MBR, chances of losing it are pretty slim unless you destroy it yourself... which probably wont happen
[07:27] <mebaran151> Ubuntu LiveCD's will also be install cd's
[07:27] <mebaran151> kind of like Kanotix
[07:28] <queuetue> Ubuntu's live cds arenen't install cds - not automated ones, anyway...
[07:28] <mebaran151> so taht one CD does all
[07:28] <mebaran151> queuetue, not yet
[07:28] <mebaran151> but they are trying to make it happen
[07:28] <MatthewJohn> it says i need to install samba for sharing to work, what package exactly is it? becuase there already is samba installed
[07:28] <mebaran151> whole bunchie
[07:28] <alterim> is there a difference at bootup, if i put GRUB not on the MBR?
[07:29] <mebaran151> you wont notice it unless you set things up in an interesting manner
[07:29] <alterim> surely windows would just boot up and ignore it in that case
[07:29] <mebaran151> no
[07:29] <mebaran151> you have to set up the windows boot manager
[07:29] <mebaran151> ntldr
[07:29] <mebaran151> to read that partition
[07:29] <mebaran151> and chainload
[07:29] <mebaran151> just put it on the mbr
[07:29] <Dalkus> It's alot easier to use MBR.
[07:29] <mebaran151> it is easier
[07:29] <mebaran151> much
[07:29] <Spicouc> jo q rancis q sou la veritat
[07:30] <bodhi> how can i know if my serial port is working properly?
[07:30] <Dalkus> There any chan rules in here?
[07:30] <qball> Spicouc: you rang?
[07:30] <qball> bodhi: more info please
[07:30] <qball> bodhi: you know setserial?
[07:30] <Bizzeh> still gotta love how on first boot of ubuntu, it downloads random files of the internet without asking me
[07:31] <bodhi> qball: i want to configure a Irda in my serial port
[07:31] <bodhi> qball: no
[07:32] <qball> bodhi: owh..  you have a serial dongle? or you connect to the sir connector on youre motherboard?
[07:32] <Dalkus> Bizzeh, they arn't random.... they are updates that save you from vunrabilities :)
[07:32] <gyo> hi
[07:32] <Spicouc> qball rang?
[07:32] <Bizzeh> Dalkus: still, would be nice if it asked me
[07:32] <qball> bodhi: darn.. I have to go...
[07:32] <Bizzeh> instead of just doing it
[07:32] <qball> Solatis: you said q a few times :D
[07:33] <qball> Spicouc: darn wrong trigger...  Q triggers here.
[07:33] <Solatis> qball: ?
[07:33] <qball> Solatis: sorry wrong autocomplete metn Spicouc
[07:33] <bodhi> qball: opppps
[07:33] <Solatis> oh wrong person
[07:33] <Solatis> :)
[07:33] <qball> Spicouc: q triggers my "name" trigger
[07:33] <qball> but I have to run.
[07:33] <bodhi> qball: i got a serial dongle
[07:33] <samuella> Hi
[07:34] <qball> bodhi: if you set the right bitrate and uart mode with setserial it "should" work.
[07:34] <folta> hey people, anyone know how to get ndiswrapper on amd64?
[07:34] <qball> bodhi: but sorryI hvae to run.
[07:34] <folta> its not in th repositories
[07:34] <Spicouc> uff i lose it
[07:34] <WeirdAl> How can I use bittorrent from the command line?
[07:34] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone know what text editor comes with the basic command line shell on the Ubuntu bootable CD?
[07:34] <bodhi> qball: no problem, qball, than you anyway
[07:34] <WeirdAl> Anyone at all
[07:34] <WeirdAl> Starting from "sudo apt-get" and working up
[07:34] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, vim is installed
[07:34] <samuella> I have a couple of questions, one, I can't seem to figure out how to work with an rpm package. I'm not on red hat, so i'm wondering exactly which files do which.
[07:34] <UnbuntuBaby> I need to access the passwd file so I can make some changes see
[07:35] <UnbuntuBaby> VIM! Sweet :)
[07:36] <UnbuntuBaby> '/bin/sh: vim: not found
[07:36] <javiolo> anyone here uses bluez ?
[07:36] <Spicouc> sorry i only wanted to know how i can install something but no one can help me
[07:36] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, I've never seen a standard *ix install without vi ... other than SCO.
[07:37] <UnbuntuBaby> this is running off the CD rom here, i thought thered be some Unstuff utility, like the Mac cds etc.
[07:37] <snooo> i recently tried an install of woody x86 to my second HD partition, but found that it wrecked my HDs partition information, leaving my WinXP installation unbootable. was this a common problem? can it be avoided?
[07:37] <tritium> UnbuntuBaby, there should be either vi or nano, or both
[07:37] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, like gunzip + tar ?
[07:37] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, have vim on the live cd I'm running on
[07:37] <tritium> Spicouc, what's the problem?
[07:37] <theantix> snooo: was it the 0x7 error message problem?
[07:38] <snooo> theantix: explain?
[07:38] <Spicouc> i want to install an usb wireless device
[07:38] <theantix> snooo: what was the error message in booting xp?
[07:38] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, or do you really want to unpack one of those dumb .sit files that people keep mailing me?
[07:38] <aspuru> snooo: did it end up installing lilo or grub?
[07:38] <snooo> Glib wouldnt boot at all
[07:39] <calc> does universe not get autobuilt?
[07:39] <snooo> sorry
[07:39] <wijsneus> question: is there any way to specify the hostname of an ubuntu live session?
[07:39] <UnbuntuBaby> queuetue: an aside point, any idea what the pwd command does?
[07:39] <snooo> grub would boot into ubuntu
[07:39] <snooo> but not into XP
[07:39] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, Print Working Directory
[07:39] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, prints the working directory?
[07:39] <snooo> when i deleted the partition, any attempt to boot into XP came up with "NTLDR missing"
[07:39] <queuetue> wijsneus, man hostname
[07:39] <WeirdAl> No one's used command-line bittorrent?
[07:39] <snooo> when i tried to repair it it just acted strange
[07:39] <tritium> wijsneus, I think there might be.  Explore the information given by the function keys at boot for details.
[07:39] <snooo> i've only just now fixed it
[07:40] <snooo> would like to have ubuntu on here but not if its going to fuck the hard drive again
[07:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, do you have it installed?
[07:40] <mebaran151> anybody having silly xmms problems on AMD64
[07:40] <WeirdAl> I think so.
[07:40] <WeirdAl> I installed ...
[07:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, dpkg -L bittorrent, and look for which files it comes with.
[07:40] <WeirdAl> Wait, let me check
[07:40] <queuetue> mebaran151, I have heard of them reported, but remember no details - check the forums.
[07:40] <snooo> theantix: cant quite remember, sorry. might recognise it if i saw a list...
[07:40] <wijsneus> tnx - i have a broadband connection from @home, and it wont give me my connection unless i specify the host :)
[07:41] <UnbuntuBaby> onto the list of available commands I have to work from on the CD:
[07:41] <WeirdAl> tritium, the list is massive
[07:41] <tritium> WeirdAl, also, whenever you have questions about a program you have installed, check its documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package>
[07:41] <Spicouc> tritium can u help me with my problem?
[07:41] <WeirdAl> Ah, didn't know about share/dox
[07:41] <WeirdAl> c
[07:41] <tritium> WeirdAl, so pipe it into less: dpkg -L bittorrent | less
[07:41] <WeirdAl> yeah, I can scroll it :-)
[07:41] <UnbuntuBaby> when i typed help i got the following list of commands...
[07:42] <WeirdAl> I see the docs. Cool, I'll read them.
[07:42] <tritium> Spicouc, sorry, I have no experience with USB networking devices
[07:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, okay.
[07:42] <snooo> any ideas at all?
[07:42] <Dalkus> Spicouc, http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26217.html   might help you
[07:42] <theantix> snooo: I am just wondering if it is the 0x7 issue... see this  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-330.html
[07:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, all packages have their documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package>
[07:43] <WeirdAl> Right! I'll note that down
[07:43] <WeirdAl> Mentally
[07:43] <folta> does anyone know what to do about ndiswrapper on an amd64 system? if i get the package installed it should be fine, but i can't find it anywhere
[07:43] <tritium> :)
[07:43] <Spicouc> thnx tritium
[07:43] <tritium> Spicouc, yeah, sorry I can't be more help.
[07:43] <UnbuntuBaby> break, cd, chdir, continue, eval, exec, exit, export, false, hash, help, let, local, pwd, read, readonly, return, set, shift, times, trap, true, type, ulimit, u mask, unset, wait
[07:43] <mebaran151> folta, ndiswrapper is useless on amd64
[07:43] <mebaran151> because we need 64 bit drivers
[07:43] <tritium> folta, I'm told it won't build on amd64
[07:43] <Spicouc> 've u a friend who can help me?
[07:43] <mebaran151> it probably will build
[07:43] <folta> ouch
[07:43] <Dalkus> Spicouc, http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26217.html   might help you
[07:44] <snooo> theantix: sounds exactly right....
[07:44] <Dalkus> Spicouc, google is your friend
[07:44] <UnbuntuBaby> membaran151, akk or anyone else, would that list of commands help me fix the passwd file?
[07:44] <mebaran151> hahaha
[07:44] <tritium> mebaran151, apparently not even build
[07:44] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, vipw
[07:44] <mebaran151> you mangled the passwd file
[07:44] <mebaran151> tritium, they are working on a new version
[07:44] <mebaran151> that will work under 64 bits
[07:44] <mebaran151> the problem is
[07:44] <tritium> mebaran151, yep
[07:44] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, whats up with your passwd file?
[07:44] <Spicouc> jajaja i know my friend google
[07:44] <UnbuntuBaby> ubunoid, the list of commands i potsed earlier is all i can use.
[07:44] <mebaran151> that there is no Windows 64 bit drivers
[07:44] <theantix> snooo: well try the advice I posted in reply to that :-)
[07:44] <ubuntoid> Didn't see a list, sorry...
[07:45] <tritium> yep
[07:45] <UnbuntuBaby> Dalkus, keeps saying i have to change my user password (root enforced) soulds simple enough
[07:45] <UnbuntuBaby> but when i go to do this, i keep getting
[07:45] <Dalkus> So why don't you? :)
[07:45] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, Tried "passwd" ?
[07:46] <Dalkus> What command are you using?
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> "you must wait longer to change your password"
[07:46] <bob_> hi! can I migrate my thunderbird mail and settings from a windows machine to a linux machine?
[07:46] <bob_> when I just copy the Thunderbird dir to .mozilla-thunderbird it says thunderbird is locked when I try to start it...
[07:46] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, is it your system? (can you use root?)
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> Dalkus: passwd: not found im rstricted to the following short-list commands from the Boot CD:
[07:46] <snooo> theantix: the only solution i can see is to restore the original partition :-/
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> break, cd, chdir, continue, eval, exec, exit, export, false, hash, help, let, local, pwd, read, readonly, return, set, shift, times, trap, true, type, ulimit, u mask, unset, wait
[07:47] <snooo> which is what i've done...
[07:47] <mebaran151> bob_, was your thunderbird running when you copied the files
[07:47] <theantix> snooo: set your hard disk to LBA in the bios
[07:47] <Dalkus> You don't need a bootCD to fix that problem
[07:47] <Bazzi-> haha gnometris owns
[07:47] <Dalkus> you just need root, and to change a setting that im trying to find for you
[07:47] <bob_> mebaran151, I don't think so but I guess I have to start up windows again and also check if it's the same version. running 1.0 on ubuntu..
[07:47] <snooo> ok, cheers
[07:48] <nmsa> someone had a problem befor playing a DVD with totem, I need a solution too please
[07:48] <mebaran151> libcvss2 I think
[07:48] <bob_> mebaran151, shouldn't it be a file called "lock" or something like in firefox?
[07:48] <mebaran151> sometimes it is just random hash stuff
[07:48] <UnbuntuBaby> Dalkus, how do i get in as root user though? if i cant log in as myself or anyone for that matter, howam i supposed to fix stuff??
[07:48] <mebaran151> but lock sounds good
[07:48] <mebaran151> or thunderbird_user.0
[07:49] <Dalkus> Good point :P
[07:49] <Dalkus> a sec
[07:49] <zenrox> damnit gnome takes forever to load
[07:49] <ubuntoid> What is jigdo in the download list?
[07:50] <tritium> nmsa, libdvdcss2 is on ftp.nerim.net (Marillat repo)
[07:50] <bob_> mebaran151, ok can't find any *.0 though
[07:50] <mebaran151> hmm
[07:50] <tritium> ubuntoid, it's a way to assemble a .iso from .debs
[07:50] <tritium> ubuntoid, it reduces load on the cdimage servers
[07:51] <ubuntoid> tritium, Ah, danke
[07:51] <ubuntoid> I downloaded the LiveCD and like it, thought I'd try a full install... but there appears to be no short path
[07:51] <tritium> ubuntoid, short path?
[07:52] <ubuntoid> i.e. a way to install a system from the Live CD
[07:52] <ubuntoid> a la Knoppix
[07:52] <tritium> ubuntoid, not yet, no
[07:52] <falkar> hi
[07:52] <robertj> ubuntoid: download the install cd and run it
[07:53] <tritium> ubuntoid, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[07:53] <robertj> might want to wait 1.5 weeks for the final release though
[07:53] <ubuntoid> tritium, Okay, thank you... Full ISO coming down now.  And I will be able to do a full upgrade when the release version comes out?
[07:53] <tritium> ubuntoid, you can update and upgrade in the meantime as well
[07:53] <ubuntoid> Okay, first time on a debian-ish system...  have to learn all the new commands for package management
[07:54] <tritium> ubuntoid, there's an apt-howto that can be installed.
[07:54] <Seveas> ubuntoid, that's not difficult
[07:54] <Seveas> updates are downloaded automagically
[07:54] <zyga> can anyone confirm that docs.python.org is down?
[07:54] <Seveas> and take one click to install
[07:54] <ubuntoid> Fair enough... CD will be done in 20 minutes.. then the fun starts
[07:54] <Seveas> zyga, the python sites are overloaded afaik
[07:54] <tritium> zyga, are you the one that was talking about G5 laptop rumors?
[07:55] <ubuntoid> Hope it recognizes as much hardware as the LiveCD did :)
[07:55] <Seveas> ubuntoid, it will probably recognize more :)
[07:55] <tritium> ubuntoid, the hardware detection is unified, so it should
[07:55] <Seveas> tritium, not completely true
[07:55] <ubuntoid> Good... it recognized the wifi card in this laptop, MDK didn't
[07:55] <ubuntoid> ANd the video ain't bad...
[07:56] <Seveas> ubuntoid, nvidia or ati?
[07:56] <ubuntoid> Is there a way to save settings with the liveCD?
[07:56] <Seveas> ubuntoid, no not yet
[07:56] <Seveas> also something that is being worked on
[07:56] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnifiedHardwareDetection/
[07:56] <ubuntoid> Seveas, Okay, I saw something for the Brazilian crowd, but I couldn't read it
[07:57] <ubuntoid> Seveas, Actually, it's a Gateway laptop, think it has Intel video
[07:57] <zyga> tritium: hmm?
[07:57] <Seveas> tritium, it says exatly that the process is not completely unified :)
[07:57] <tritium> zyga, I guess not... ;)
[07:57] <zyga> tritium: I said some time ago on #ubuntu-devel that there are none g5 laptops yet
[07:58] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with locales being generated?
[07:58] <tritium> zyga, Oh, okay.
[07:58] <zyga> Burgundavia: issues/
[07:58] <tritium> Seveas, you're referring to Warty then?
[07:58] <Seveas> tritium, no hoary too
[07:58] <Burgundavia> zyga: .LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab2' value does not match `country_num' value
[07:58] <Burgundavia> LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab3' value does not match `country_num' value
[07:58] <Burgundavia> being having it for several days
[07:59] <Seveas> although it is now limited to X (according to that page)
[07:59] <Burgundavia> every time it tries to set up locales 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[07:59] <Seveas> hardware detection sometimes gives me different results though
[07:59] <zyga> Burgundavia: didn't see them, what locale is that?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> zyga: this is the auto-regen when you set up a new locales package
[07:59] <tritium> Seveas, X aside, then.  No need to nitpick
[08:00] <Seveas> hardware detection sometimes gives me different results though <==
[08:00] <Seveas> hmm wait
[08:00] <zyga> Burgundavia: I've recently installed *all* locales
[08:00] <Seveas> that was a warty livecd
[08:00] <zyga> Burgundavia: didn't have a problem though
[08:00] <Seveas> sorry tritium, you were right
[08:00] <Burgundavia> zyga: ok, just looking for other people who might have had the same issue
[08:00] <tritium> no problem ;)
[08:00] <Benjamin_L> is there a way to set the translation for lets say nautilus to another language manually ?
[08:01] <alterim> how do i use the ubuntu installer partitioner to create a 5gb ext3, a 1gb swap, and the rest fat32 with /home on it?
[08:01] <zenrox> i hate this
[08:02] <tritium> zenrox, hate what?
[08:02] <kbrooks> svn rules. not.
[08:02] <kbrooks> :PO
[08:02] <zenrox> gnome takes forever to load like 5 mins
[08:02] <tritium> zenrox, you have something wrong then
[08:02] <zenrox> no menus
[08:02] <zenrox> i know but what
[08:02] <zenrox> i dont want to have to reinstall
[08:02] <tritium> not sure
[08:03] <zenrox> tho that is an option
[08:03] <tritium> zenrox, have you checked log files?
[08:03] <zenrox> not yet
[08:03] <Seveas> alterim you dont want that
[08:03] <zenrox> cant get to them at the moment tho
[08:03] <Seveas> you do not want linux to use fat32
[08:03] <tritium> alterim, lots of us have only installed the one time, and can't recall the exact procedure.  The partioner isn't too difficult, though.
[08:04] <zenrox> witch loog should i check
[08:04] <zenrox> trans_err,
[08:04] <Insanitary> Hi
[08:04] <zenrox> err tritium
[08:04] <Magick> I was thinking of switching from mandrake. is it hard to do?
[08:04] <Insanitary> I was wondering if someone could help me
[08:05] <tritium> zenrox, the first one I'd check is /var/log/Xorg.0.log (if Hoary) or /var/log/XFree86.0.log (if Warty)
[08:05] <biezt> something went wrong with installing ubuntu :|
[08:05] <zenrox> tritium,  it is hoary
[08:05] <biezt> i now am in text mode without gui, how do i install gui ?
[08:05] <tritium> zenrox, ok
[08:05] <biezt> apt-get what ?
[08:05] <tritium> biezt, how did the install fail?
[08:05] <tritium> biezt, ubuntu-desktop for gnome
[08:05] <Seveas> biezt, looko at #ubuntu-nl
[08:05] <Seveas> i've answered your question there :)
[08:06] <tritium> kubuntu-desktop for KDE
[08:06] <Insanitary> I am using a Lucent winmodem, and I am currently on windows XP. now, I have tried using mandrake before, but it told me that the modem was not supported. Now, i tried buing several other modems, but i just got the same ting over and over. Now, i want to ask. Will a Lucent winmodem work with Ubuntu?
[08:06] <r1c0> Hello everyone
[08:06] <zenrox> tritium,  nothen out of the ordinay thare
[08:06] <r1c0> who can i disturb with a question about Totem?
[08:06] <Twiggy> Mmmkay trying Xine to play a DVD I get this error: libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.  What can I do to fix that?
[08:06] <tritium> zenrox, it's a big file.  Did you check it carefully
[08:07] <zenrox> yep
[08:07] <zenrox> noten failed
[08:07] <Seveas> Insanitary, check linmodems.or
[08:07] <Seveas> org
[08:07] <nmsa> how to install a deb package ? pls  ...
[08:07] <zenrox> every thang loaded according to plan
[08:07] <Seveas> nmsa, dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:07] <tritium> Twiggy, check ubuntuguide.org or search the wiki/FAQ for restricted formats
[08:07] <nmsa> gpt it
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nmsa: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:07] <Seveas> r1c0, just ask :)
[08:07] <r1c0> Seveas: ty :)
[08:08] <r1c0> Do you know how to get divx to work with totem?
[08:08] <Insanitary> ok, if i download the live CD and boot from it, will I be able to see if it works with a Winmodem?
[08:08] <Seveas> apt-get install w32codecs
[08:08] <exalted> hi there. after a "hoary (preview) server" installation, to obtain a <<base>> window environment (gnome) what i have to install as packages? (This process is essential, otherwise default Ubuntu installation freezee) Thanks.
[08:08] <Seveas> r1c0, you need to enable universe and marillat repositories first though
[08:08] <r1c0> i'll look
[08:09] <Seveas> exalted, install the ubuntu-desktop package
[08:09] <exalted> Seveas: this installs the whole desktop environment, which freeze thx to a package.
[08:09] <tritium> exalted, which package?
[08:10] <exalted> tritium: i don't remember exactly, puf, maybe that was, "gstream" something like that.
[08:10] <zenrox> Mar 26 11:08:57 localhost kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240
[08:10] <zenrox> Mar 26 11:08:57 localhost kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240  <---wound that slow the load on gnome
[08:10] <zenrox> thats the syslog
[08:11] <saik0> how does one restore grub after installing windows. I changed the bootable flag to my /boot partition but I guess that was'nt enough
[08:11] <r1c0> Seveas, in my sources.list i can enable the universe repo, but i can't see marillat, how do i enable that?
[08:12] <Seveas> add this:
[08:12] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:12] <r1c0> okay
[08:12] <hybrid> Hey yall
[08:12] <pablo928> saik0:check www.ubuntuguide.org for detailed instructions
[08:13] <IRCMonkey> Is there going to be configuration program for pptp-client included in the ubuntu cd? Now there is only the client :(
[08:13] <exalted> tritium, Seveas: what do you say?
[08:13] <Seveas> exalted, dunno, describe the freeze
[08:13] <Seveas> where/when does it happen
[08:13] <tritium> exalted, can you give us more information about the package, and what you mean by "freeze"?
[08:14] <zzyber> im using fglrx driver with ubuntu xorg and i have direct rendering on but......When i try to run something with cedega i get "Cant initialize directdraw"?? What does this meen?
[08:14] <Seveas> zzyber, directdraw is windows stuff
[08:14] <zzyber> is it possible to enable directdraw for dglrx?
[08:14] <Seveas> what is cedega?
[08:14] <stealth_> cedega is like wine but made for games
[08:14] <Seveas> ah
[08:14] <stealth_> helps emulate DirectX stuff
[08:14] <zzyber> Seveas, from transgaming, a windows emulator
[08:14] <Seveas> well, sounds like a cedega problem then
[08:15] <zenrox> tritium,  i found something in dmesg and ill put it in #flood
[08:15] <Seveas> because that should handle directdraw
[08:15] <esher> have now some nice benq 231w 23" tft on my ubuntu, but the old 15" tft settings,
[08:15] <Insanitary> Hi. Can you please tell me what modems you guys use?
[08:15] <esher> how can i resetup xorg ?
[08:15] <Insanitary> Please
[08:15] <zzyber> Seveas, probably a cedega problem but maybe someone here know this problem
[08:15] <apokryphos> esher: nice ;)
[08:15] <Seveas> esher, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:15] <apokryphos> esher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:15] <esher> tnx :D
[08:15] <apokryphos> (if you're on xorg)
[08:15] <zenrox> tritium,  thats all i found
[08:16] <saik0> pablo928, ah thanks aot, I checked there but I was looking in the wrong section
[08:16] <tritium> zenrox, that's normal.  I have that too
[08:16] <zenrox> ok
[08:16] <stealth_> anyone good at these flgrx drivers?
[08:16] <zenrox> thats wot i thought
[08:16] <stealth_> it looks like i installed em right
[08:16] <stealth_> becuz my monitor is at max settings like windows
[08:16] <stealth_> but 3d aint working well..
[08:16] <Insanitary> Hello? Please. because I am trying desperetly to get a modem that wil work with linux, and I cannot find one. ::(
[08:17] <zenrox> tritium,  so ill have to reinstall to fix it casue no logs are giving me errors or strange output
[08:17] <stealth_> get DSL ;)
[08:17] <apokryphos> Insanitary: I recommend just getting a router
[08:17] <stealth_> no, check for some external modems, suposely those work best
[08:17] <exalted> tritium: Seveas: The very "default" installation goes well, and installs the base system, then a regular reboot, and begin to update the packages list, and according to do this continue to install rest of the system (from cd or from internet if necessary), when turn comes to "gstream...blah blah" package installation freeze, and nothing happens, an infinite operation on CPU, it gets warm up,...
[08:17] <exalted> ...but nothing, not any input responds, the end is hard shutdown.
[08:17] <tritium> zenrox, not necessarily.  We just haven't found the problem yet.
[08:17] <zenrox> tritium,  and it ant coming up in the logs
[08:17] <Seveas> exalted, odd
[08:18] <pablo928> Insanitary:I'm using a D-link DCM-200 with no problems on warty or hoary
[08:18] <exalted> Seveas: tell me about it :)
[08:18] <zenrox> so that means what ever it is it loads propery just takes forever
[08:18] <Insanitary> thank you
[08:18] <pablo928> Insanitary:My hardware problems have been with routers
[08:18] <Seveas> exalted, try installing totem-gstreamer now
[08:19] <Seveas> and if that works, install ubuntu-desktop
[08:19] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone here know hw to use Knoppix?
[08:19] <zenrox> tritium,  or what ever is makeing it take for ever to load (progam etc...) it dont fail
[08:19] <Seveas> if it doesn't work: install totem-xine
[08:19] <Seveas> and then ubuntu-desktop
[08:19] <UnbuntuBaby> im trying to fix my passwd file, seems to have become corrupted see.
[08:19] <tritium> zenrox, anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:19] <Insanitary> I ahve been told that there are not many applications availible for linux, like windows apps. i.e. DVD ripers and stuff liekt hat. is that true?
[08:19] <tritium> UnbuntuBaby, on an ubuntu system?
[08:19] <Seveas> Insanitary, no
[08:20] <tritium> Insanitary, there are ~ 15,000 available
[08:20] <apokryphos> Insanitary: No. You have much better/easier access to programs than you do in Windoze.
[08:20] <apokryphos> all at the typing of a command
[08:20] <UnbuntuBaby> tritium, yeah password file seems to have screwed up (?!0
[08:20] <megabyte405> or the opening of Synaptic
[08:20] <zenrox> tritium,  pasting to #flood
[08:20] <Insanitary> yes...but the typing of the command thing is the tricky part.
[08:20] <exalted> Seveas: i don't want to install the whole desktop environment, i need just the base gnome, then i'll decide what to install what not. I don't like totem. Don't you have an idea to do this, cuz "ubuntu-desktop" installs everything?
[08:20] <pablo928> Insanitary:And most applications are free
[08:20] <Insanitary> Why does linux have to be so......c o m p l i c a t e d
[08:20] <Seveas> install the package gnome
[08:21] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  it's not neccessary.  I've installed a lot of stuff on my new Ubuntu system, just with Synaptic
[08:21] <UnbuntuBaby> i got the following error even when i tried loggin in from single user mode: (one sec fetching error)
[08:21] <Seveas> Insanitary, it is not
[08:21] <apokryphos> Insanitary: not tricky at all; very simple. But there are GUI front-ends for it anyway
[08:21] <Seveas> Insanitary, it is just d i f f e r e n t
[08:21] <megabyte405> It's not complicated.  People here are used to doing it the old-fashioned complicated way.
[08:21] <randabis_> I don't think linux is that compilcated at all
[08:21] <apokryphos> Insanitary: It isn't; it's just a different OS so it requires getting used to.
[08:21] <UnbuntuBaby> "you must wait longer to change your password"
[08:21] <randabis_> I get work done much easier on linux than I do on windows
[08:21] <apokryphos> UnbuntuBaby: have you googled?
[08:21] <zenrox> thare tritium
[08:21] <Insanitary> ok
[08:21] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  install Ubuntu, then try using Synaptic to update and install applications.
[08:22] <Insanitary> well, i suppose that i can sacrifice a few features
[08:22] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  you might want to check the greyed out lines in the "Repository" menu item, so you hvae access to all the apps
[08:22] <UnbuntuBaby> i log in normally and i get "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)"
[08:22] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  usually that's not even the case
[08:22] <apokryphos> Insanitary: or Kpackage if you're using KDE.
[08:22] <UnbuntuBaby> apokryphos:noe not yet, will do though...
[08:22] <tritium> zenrox, do you eventually get into gnome?  You might try saving your session on the next logout.
[08:22] <randabis_> I must say, KDE 3.4 rocks
[08:22] <apokryphos> rocks my socks
[08:22] <randabis_> indeed
[08:22] <zenrox> tritium,  yes i eventuly get a full gnome
[08:22] <Insanitary> It is just than when i was using mandrake, i could not navigate my way around. Because there is no C drive lettering. Everything was stored in wierd places.
[08:22] <zenrox> ok
[08:23] <pablo928> Insanitary:check out www.ubuntuguide.org for help installing some of the common packages
[08:23] <randabis_> the linux file hierarchy is actually much more organized and logical than the windows file hierarchy
[08:23] <tritium> Insanitary, it's just different, that's all.
[08:23] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  It's just a little different.  You can store everything on your desktop and "Home" folder, which is like My Documents.
[08:23] <randabis_> It's different, and more logical :)
[08:23] <megabyte405> (Under the Computer (Warty) or Places (Hoary) menu)
[08:24] <Insanitary> what is this haory and warty thing?
[08:24] <jack|h> Anyone have an idea on why dns lookups are suddenly taking forever on my computer?  It seemed like this started after the last batch of updates i ran.
[08:24] <apokryphos> Insanitary: Warty is the latest "stable" version of Ubuntu. Hoary is the latest "in developement" distro.
[08:24] <jack|h> (but of course, they're not necessarily connected)
[08:24] <randabis_> warty is the first official ubuntu release, hoary is/will be the second official release
[08:24] <Insanitary> ah....
[08:24] <apokryphos> Insanitary: Though hoary is technically "in developement", the majority of the community is using it. It has all the latest apps.
[08:25] <Insanitary> well, i am currently downloading warty.
[08:25] <tritium> Insanitary, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/
[08:25] <Insanitary> The live CD version
[08:25] <randabis_> hoary rocks my socks :)
[08:25] <Insanitary> I want to see if my Lucent Winmodem will work with Linux
[08:25] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  that's fine for a demo, but if you have the computer and hd space, I'd suggest installing.
[08:25] <esher> ( Multimedia ) Video Card: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro]  [ Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 pixels / 24 Bits | DRI:  ]  | Sound Card: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM  | CD-RW: ATAPI DVD+RW 8X4X12
[08:25] <Insanitary> It did not work with mandrake, but maybe it will with Ubuntu
[08:26] <tritium> Insanitary, you can also install debian-policy, and read that for more info on the filesystem heirarchy
[08:26] <megabyte405> Your lucent winmodem will work, not the most elegantly to start, but it will work.
[08:26] <randabis_> Insanitary, I'd recommend trying the hoary live cds. If I understand correctly, they are much more polished than the original warty live cd
[08:26] <apokryphos> Insanitary: Warty is good, but the apps are basic and dated. You might consider upgrading after.
[08:26] <megabyte405> Yes, try the Hoary livecd.
[08:26] <ubuntoid> Okay, install CD done...  Let's see if I can get it to work :)
[08:26] <Insanitary> ok
[08:26] <Insanitary> i will then download hoary
[08:27] <randabis_> good call
[08:27] <megabyte405> (How do I easily associate exe with wine in gnome?)
[08:27] <Insanitary> wait a minute
[08:28] <Insanitary> hoary is not on the ftp download list: ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/cdimage/releases/4.10/release/] 
[08:28] <Insanitary> sorry: ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/cdimage/releases/4.10/release/
[08:28] <megabyte405> Right.
[08:28] <megabyte405> It is/will be 5.04
[08:28] <randabis_> Insanitary, you should be in 5.04
[08:28] <megabyte405> just visit ubuntulinux.org and look at the link for Hoary Preview
[08:28] <Insanitary> oh.....ok.
[08:28] <Insanitary> i see
[08:28] <Seveas> Insanitary, substitute /4.10/release for /5.04/release
[08:29] <Insanitary> ok
[08:29] <mebaran151> anyone have xmms problems in AMD64
[08:29] <mebaran151> no terminal error
[08:31] <punjab12> ubuntu hoary rc1 will rock
[08:31] <Insanitary> ok
[08:31] <Insanitary> i am now downloadin the live cd.
[08:31] <Insanitary> if i like it i will install....yay....
[08:32] <mebaran151> anybody got the ideas?
[08:32] <zenrox> tritium,  that dint help
[08:32] <mebaran151> also if I wanted to do a clean install
[08:32] <Insanitary> oh...by the way...you guys in here sound like computer experts, and i was wondering if youcould join my new site
[08:32] <tritium> zenrox, sorry...
[08:32] <mebaran151> how could I have it write out package list
[08:32] <mebaran151> so I could just apt-get them in one
[08:32] <mebaran151> hit
[08:32] <Insanitary> its about open source
[08:33] <tritium> mebaran151, list of what?
[08:33] <apokryphos> mebaran151: erm, what?
[08:33] <Seveas> membran, ALL available packages?
[08:33] <apokryphos> You couldn't install all, as there are conflicts
[08:33] <Insanitary> i need admins who can post the latest news on linux and the newest open source app and so forth
[08:33] <apokryphos> if you're looking to install ubuntu, then ubuntu-base is what you want.
[08:33] <zenrox> tritium,  so something is truly messed
[08:33] <Seveas> you can list all installed packages with dpkg --get-selections
[08:34] <Seveas> Insanitary, lol, there are enough sites like that already
[08:34] <tck> any option with printers under linux to clean nozzles and print heads etc..
[08:34] <Seveas> don;t waste your time
[08:34] <biezt> make ur personal experience page !! :P
[08:34] <Insanitary> i hav many pages
[08:34] <biezt> don't make a news site, or microsoft will h4ck u !!
[08:34] <calvin> ok, just took the plunge and dist-upgraded to Hoary
[08:34] <tritium> zenrox, it's hard to tell what's going on
[08:34] <Insanitary> www.virtualhogwarts.co.za <- my first website i ever made
[08:34] <calvin> now nvidia isn't working
[08:35] <mebaran151> my xmms died on AMD64
[08:35] <mebaran151> without any clues
[08:35] <mebaran151> not even terminal errors
[08:35] <calvin> nv is fine, but no luck with nvidia
[08:35] <mebaran151> it just doesnt show a window
[08:35] <biezt> omg a harry potter site !! u should use windows noob !!
[08:36] <biezt> whahahaha harry potter is for kindergarten !!
[08:36] <biezt> j/k
[08:36] <tritium> calvin, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors.  Make sure "nvidia" module is loaded
[08:36] <Insanitary> well...i like harry potter....
[08:36] <apokryphos> :|
[08:36] <dave> mebaran151 i had to re install the nv drivers
[08:36] <mebaran151> for xmms?
[08:36] <biezt> j/k means just kidding P
[08:36] <calvin> the nvidia module was loading
[08:36] <mebaran151> I am using nvidia
[08:36] <Insanitary> it may not be the most fanciful of sites...but it was my first one
[08:36] <Kirsch> Are there any articles about Optimizing my linux install?
[08:36] <tritium> calvin, lsmod verified that?
[08:36] <theantix> gah, is there any reason why hoary's OOo has reverted to the non-gnome fileselectors?
[08:36] <biezt> it looks great for a first site :P
[08:36] <calvin> but then i removed and reinstalled nvidia-kernel-common and associated stuff
[08:37] <calvin> and now it's not even starting
[08:37] <tritium> theantix, do you have openoffice.org-gtk-gnome installed?
[08:37] <Seveas> Insanitary, you can hardly say that you created it, you just installed some php scripts....
[08:37] <Insanitary> please....can someone PLEASE tell me of an ISP that does not include "Port-shapping" in the fine print?
[08:37] <theantix> tritium: yes I checked that
[08:37] <mebaran151> Insanitary, what is port shaping
[08:37] <mebaran151> it sounds rather interesting
[08:37] <mebaran151> just curious
[08:38] <Insanitary> yes. i did install php scripts. but that is not the point. The point is that it is a creative work.
[08:38] <Seveas> mebaran151, it's when you take an axe and reshape your internet connection :)
[08:38] <tritium> calvin, you have nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules installed?
[08:38] <Kirsch> tritium: what about for oo2?
[08:38] <mebaran151> Seveas, I am so into that
[08:38] <Insanitary> Post shaping makes donwloads on a P2P network go slowly
[08:38] <mebaran151> I use an axe all the time
[08:38] <Kirsch> i'm using hoary
[08:38] <megabyte405> mebaran151:  Traffic shaping, probably.  It means that you are limited in bandwidth for certain apps (like, say, decrease bandwidth to KaZaA)
[08:38] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:38] <tritium> Kirsch, openoffice.org2-gnome
[08:38] <randabis_> hmm..this is a little odd...whenever things in the kde menu are moused over, the transparency effects go away and the mouseover stays
[08:38] <mebaran151> I get that now
[08:38] <calvin> yeah, no "nvidia" in lsmod
[08:38] <mebaran151> the axe idea sounded better
[08:38] <tck> any option with printers under linux to clean nozzles and print heads etc..?
[08:39] <tritium> calvin, you need to load it.  Place it in /etc/modules
[08:39] <calvin> also no "nv" in lsmod for some reason
[08:39] <tritium> for now, modprobe nvidia.
[08:39] <calvin> it tries to load it on bootup, and says "Ok"
[08:39] <calvin> although the asterick is red
[08:39] <mebaran151> calvin, nv isnt a kernel module
[08:39] <mebaran151> it is an internal X thing
[08:39] <calvin> oh ok
[08:39] <mebaran151> the only reason I think nvidia is a seperate module
[08:39] <tritium> but nvidia is a kernel module in linux-restricted-modules
[08:39] <calvin> yes, "nvidia" is in /etc/modules
[08:40] <lobo_nz> I moved my CDRW from hdc to hdd, my fstab is changed but it is no longer auto mounted is there a nautilus setting somewhere I have to change aswell?
[08:40] <mebaran151> is because they cant put in straight into X or else they would have to open source
[08:40] <tritium> calvin, please verify that you have linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[08:40] <Kirsch> ok, that works now, what about the file menus? the font is different than its ever been, i never changed it, (but its just OO2)
[08:40] <Insanitary>  is there some or other place where i could see screenshots of ubuntu?
[08:40] <Seveas> lobo_nz, is it  still "auto" in fstab?
[08:40] <tritium> Insanitary, www.ubuntu.com has a link somewhere
[08:40] <Insanitary> yeah.
[08:41] <Insanitary> i am looking for that link, but not seeing it
[08:41] <lobo_nz> Seveas, yes, I just updated the hdc to hdd
[08:41] <tritium> Insanitary, click on About Ubuntu, then Screenshots
[08:41] <dmoyne> is ANT available as as binary with Ubuntu ?
[08:41] <calvin> uname -r gives me "2.6.10-5-686"
[08:41] <apokryphos> Insanitary: there are several on the site (use the search), but here's some of mine: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
[08:41] <tritium> calvin, you need a matching l-r-m
[08:41] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[08:41] <Insanitary> thanks
[08:41] <Seveas> dmoyne, not yet
[08:42] <Seveas> dmoyne, I beleive that it is about to be, it has been fixed recently
[08:42] <Echylo> does firefox has a quicktime plugin?
[08:42] <megabyte405> Who needs help with their NVidia?
[08:42] <tritium> calvin, do you have it?
[08:42] <Seveas> check #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-moto for details, the ubutu java wikipages can help too
[08:42] <Insanitary> no
[08:42] <Insanitary> Firefox does not
[08:42] <megabyte405> I jsut got mine going last night, works great, used the instructions on www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:42] <Echylo> damn
[08:43] <dmoyne> to Seveas : maybe it is a good opportunity to compilke my first app under "/usr/local" !
[08:43] <Seveas> lol dmoyne :)
[08:43] <Seveas> have fun
[08:43] <calvin> i have "linux-restrict 2.6.10.3-8"
[08:43] <tritium> calvin, it needs to match your kernel version exactly
[08:43] <megabyte405> calvin:  did you try the ubuntuguide.org instructions?
[08:43] <tritium> i.e., you need to sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[08:43] <Seveas> calvin, install the linux-686 package
[08:44] <Seveas> that will keep your kernel and modules up to date and in sync
[08:44] <dmoyne> to seveas : from time to time I did complile some apps with Mandrake : GIMP, XSANE etc...
[08:44] <Seveas> ant is different
[08:44] <Seveas> ant is java
[08:45] <calvin> ok, changing my version of linux-restricted-modules
[08:45] <dmoyne> you mean you install it as" Java jre" directly in "/usr/local" ?
[08:45] <tritium> calvin, good.  It can't hurt to have linux-686 as Seveas suggests
[08:45] <calvin> i have a question though.  i have an athlon 1800
[08:45] <calvin> not sure why i have 686 module
[08:45] <Seveas> no dmoyne you need the configure & make dance
[08:45] <tritium> calvin, what processor do you have?
[08:46] <Seveas> but you must have java installed before trying that
[08:46] <Echylo> so there is no possibility to watch quicktime in here Insanitary ?
[08:46] <calvin> athlon xp 1800
[08:46] <Insanitary> How does one install exe files in linux? I tried, but the app would not allow me to select anything beyond the C:/ drive, wich did nto even exist. I used Wine.
[08:46] <Seveas> Insanitary, you need to configure wine first
[08:46] <Echylo> Seveas I don't think so
[08:46] <calvin> ok, i'll be back in a moment.  guess i'll see if the new version fixes the problem.
[08:46] <apokryphos> Insanitary: what are you trying to install?
[08:46] <Echylo> it worked fine here
[08:46] <calvin> thx guys
[08:46] <Insanitary> how?
[08:46] <tritium> calvin, hold on
[08:46] <calvin> ok
[08:46] <tritium> calvin, you don't want 686 then
[08:47] <Seveas> Echylo, ubuntu packages or winehq?
[08:47] <Echylo> ubun
[08:47] <calvin> i had k7 before the dist-upgrade
[08:47] <Seveas> calvin, than install linux-k7
[08:47] <dmoyne> ok maybe I will try this tomorrow ; I have another question : with my 17" monitor I switched to 1024 x 768 resolution ; now I have to make fonts with Gnome apps bigger ; how to do it ?
[08:47] <Insanitary> well, i did not install something now, but it came to mind. The thing is, i wanted to install a game. but yeah.
[08:48] <Seveas> dmoyne, system -> preferences -> font
[08:48] <calvin> ok, i installed linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[08:48] <dmoyne> seveas, ok but I have to relog a session with Gnome ?
[08:49] <calvin> but it doesn't remove the 686 package
[08:49] <calvin> how do i make sure it loads this one?
[08:49] <Seveas> dmoyne, no idea, never done it myself :)
[08:49] <tritium> calvin, you can remove the 686 stuff
[08:49] <Seveas> calvin, when you boot your system, select the k7 kernel
[08:49] <tritium> calvin, get linux-k7 so it pulls in l-r-m
[08:49] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  wine creates a fake C just for windows apps in your home directory.
[08:49] <megabyte405> but try using just Linux ones first.  You'll have a much better time
[08:50] <dmoyne> seveas thanks
[08:50] <Keizer> I've got Universe setup, do I just apt install java?
[08:50] <tritium> Keizer, not that easy due to Sun's restrictions on java
[08:51] <Keizer> Noooooo
[08:51] <Keizer> Those demons
[08:51] <tritium> Keizer, you're best off installing java-package, then downloading sun's .bin, and using java-package to build your own java .deb
[08:51] <Keizer> They have the RPM for download on their site.
[08:51] <megabyte405> Keizer:  ubuntuguide.org has the nice info.
[08:51] <Insanitary> ok  i am going to go now. And i want to thank you guys for all the help you gave me. Thanks a lot. Greaty apprecieted. Well, i hope it will be greatly apprecieted since this coming from a 14 yr old....lol
[08:51] <Keizer> I'm at the Ubuntu guide site.
[08:51] <tritium> Keizer, don't use the .rpm -- build your own .deb instead
[08:52] <megabyte405> Keizer:  search for java
[08:52] <Insanitary> i will reccomend ununtu on all 6 of my sites
[08:53] <apokryphos> :P
[08:53] <WeirdAl> Is there something I have to do after running apt-get install wine in order to get wine to jump in when I double-click an exe?
[08:53] <mebaran151> oh
[08:53] <mebaran151> uh
[08:53] <mebaran151> that is hard
[08:53] <WeirdAl> Log out and in again
[08:53] <WeirdAl> ?
[08:53] <tritium> megabyte405, the java info on ubuntuguide is less than ideal
[08:53] <mebaran151> I dont like mime types
[08:53] <mebaran151> they usually fail
[08:53] <zenrox> tritium,  gnome only hangs after the splash is finished
[08:53] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: you'll likely have to sort file associations with .exe. Not sure how to do it in Gnome; someone else may know.
[08:53] <mebaran151> so what I do is just build a little script or something
[08:53] <megabyte405> tritium:  ahh.  OK, then, I jsut saw it, never mind.
[08:54] <mebaran151> or just type wine your.exe
[08:54] <tritium> megabyte405, it's preferrable to have software you install under package-management of apt
[08:54] <mebaran151> just put in the wine
[08:54] <mebaran151> it doesnt take that much extra work
[08:54] <megabyte405> Right, that I know.  I jsut thought there was no alternative there.
[08:54] <tritium> megabyte405, java-package can build a .deb from Sun's .bin
[08:54] <WeirdAl> OK
[08:55] <calvin> so, when i reboot is it going to boot my new kernel by default or do i have to edit grub?
[08:55] <megabyte405> What I really want  to know is, where did my cool mouse cursors go when I upgraded to Hoary?  The stock gnome waiting watch thing is rather disgusting.
[08:55] <megabyte405> tritium:  really?  Slick!
[08:55] <calvin> now that i've installed the k7 kernel
[08:55] <tritium> megabyte405, yep
[08:55] <tritium> calvin, and restricted-modules, I hope
[08:56] <tritium> calvin, seriously, to avoid problems, just install linux-k7
[08:56] <calvin> ok, here goes nothing
[08:56] <tritium> calvin, had you not installed l-r-m yet?
[08:56] <calvin> i did sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[08:56] <calvin> and...
[08:56] <calvin>  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-k7
[08:57] <tritium> calvin, oh, that's part of your problem
[08:57] <tritium> 2.6.11 is not a supported kernet yet
[08:57] <mebaran151> calvin, wrong kernel
[08:57] <calvin> which should i use
[08:57] <tritium> calvin, linux-k7 will take care of all
[08:57] <tritium> 2.6.10-5
[08:57] <mebaran151> a modprobe -f MIGHT work
[08:57] <mebaran151> but if it breaks
[08:57] <mebaran151> dont come yealling to me
[08:57] <Roey> can anyone help me install a kernel module package (specifically, the "wacom" kernel module)
[08:58] <tritium> Roey, didn't crimsun help you with that late last night or early this morning
[08:58] <tritium> ?
[08:58] <calvin> ok, i did sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[08:58] <tritium> calvin, yes
[08:58] <Grock> any ubuntu net install??
[08:58] <calvin> it didn't remove anything though, which makes me a little nervous
[08:58] <tritium> calvin, it won't
[08:58] <calvin> does that take care of restricted?
[08:59] <Roey> I edit debian/rules and specify under 'kdist' to --enable-hid, --enable-wacom, --enable-mousedev, and --enable-usbmouse.  But when it compiles, it gives a weird error and then decides not to build anything!!!
[08:59] <tritium> calvin, it depends on it
[08:59] <Roey> tritium:  early this morning but I forgot to build wacom.ko and now the thing just doens't compile /at all/.
[08:59] <calvin> ok, looks like i already had it
[08:59] <Roey> I am 100% lost.
[08:59] <ob1kenobi> I've lost my volume manager on the panel! and can't be able to add it from applets list..
[08:59] <calvin> so anything else, or should i try to reboot?
[08:59] <tritium> calvin, it has to match your kernel version exactly
[09:00] <tritium> if it's a match, you can reboot into your new k7 kernel
[09:00] <calvin> yes, i have the exact match installed
[09:00] <calvin> 2.6.10-7
[09:00] <Grock> is it possible to install ubuntu and have the installer use the most current ubuntu from the Internet?
[09:00] <WeirdAl> :-( wine sucks
[09:00] <Seveas> Grock, yes
[09:00] <ob1kenobi> Grock, yes
[09:00] <calvin> along with a bunch of other kernels
[09:00] <Grock> how can I go about doing that?
[09:01] <tritium> calvin, ok
[09:01] <Seveas> Grock, the installer will ask you if you want to download from the internet
[09:01] <ob1kenobi> Grock, just install. it does it by hinself
[09:01] <Seveas> yust answer yes to that
[09:01] <WeirdAl> I can't figure out how to install stuff... does anyone know if there's a wine IRC channel somewhere?
[09:01] <tritium> WeirdAl, the one on winehq, along with winetools works quite well
[09:01] <WeirdAl> Is that different from the one I installed from the repository?
[09:01] <Keizer> Ubuntu makes my life complete.
[09:01] <WeirdAl> (not sure which repository it came from, mind you)
[09:01] <tritium> WeirdAl, yes, plus you can get winetools which is really helpful
[09:01] <ob1kenobi> no help on my volume audio icon?
[09:02] <WeirdAl> Ah right
[09:02] <Grock> for Hoary CD it grabs from CD and I can't choose,  Are you Talking about warty or hoary cd?
[09:02] <WeirdAl> This is probably why it's not working very well.
[09:02] <tritium> WeirdAl, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[09:02] <Seveas> ob1kenobi, it's called volume-control
[09:02] <ob1kenobi> Grock, it installs the base system, but at the end it upgrades to the last one
[09:02] <Seveas> don't you see it or are you just unable to add it?
[09:03] <ob1kenobi> Seveas, both. I don't see and I'm not able to add
[09:03] <Grock> I get an error when I try to configure timezone
[09:03] <ubuntoid> Well, that was relatively painless :)
[09:04] <ubuntoid> um, is there a default root password for new installs?
[09:04] <Seveas> no
[09:04] <Seveas> ther is no root password
[09:04] <Seveas> ubuntu uses sudo
[09:04] <ubuntoid> So what password do I use for the tools under System?
[09:04] <Seveas> your own
[09:04] <tritium> your own
[09:04] <Dalkus> You can enable root if you like
[09:05] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to run i386-arc. programs on a 64-bit arc. installation?
[09:05] <ob1kenobi> Seveas, any idea for my volume control?
[09:05] <Grock> is there a way to enable internet sharing in ubuntu? say from Airport connection to Ethernet?
[09:05] <Seveas> ob1kenobi, not really
[09:06] <tritium> Grock, yes
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Seveas, So if there are multiple users, do they all have access to these tools?
[09:06] <Seveas> Grock, there is, but it's not easy. But meybe firestarter can handle it. Can anybody confirm?
[09:06] <Seveas> ubuntoid, no
[09:06] <apokryphos> ubuntoid: only if it's enabled for them.
[09:06] <tritium> ubuntoid, not by default.  Only the first user created
[09:06] <Seveas> only if you give them access
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Dalkus, Okay, thanks... I guess I have some things to get used to
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Okay, thank you
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Interesting
[09:06] <Grock> tritium, how can i set it up?
[09:06] <Dalkus> ubuntoid, I wasn't too happy about using sudo
[09:07] <Dalkus> but I quite like it now
[09:07] <Seveas> see also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:07] <Dalkus> if you want to run soemthign as root, just put sudo infront of the command
[09:07] <Dalkus> then type your user password when it asks
[09:07] <Dalkus> easy as pie
[09:07] <megabyte405> 3.141592653589
[09:07] <Seveas> thats \pi
[09:07] <ubuntoid> Dalkus, I configure sudo on all the systems I manage, but I'm not used to having to use it from the start
[09:07] <Seveas> not pie :)
[09:08] <tritium> Grock, there's info in the forums.  Search the forums for internet sharing
[09:08] <Grock> ok
[09:08] <Seveas> tritium, do you know whether it uses firestarter (i'm just curious)?
[09:08] <Dalkus> ubuntoid, im not too sure how much good it is for security, but its not annoying.
[09:09] <tritium> Seveas, which?  The internet sharing?  It's not required, no.
[09:09] <Seveas> Dalkus, sudo is much more secure than having people know the root password
[09:09] <Seveas> with sudo you can make more fine-grained access control to root-only stuff
[09:09] <Seveas> tritium, thnx
[09:09] <Dalkus> But if they crack your user account, your skrewed
[09:09] <e_machinist> How is everyone?
[09:09] <ob1kenobi> #ubuntu-it
[09:09] <tritium> Seveas, :)
[09:09] <megabyte405> Dalkus:  only if they also know your passwd
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  that said, the traditional UNIX security model is somewhat lacking in fine-grained control of 'capabiiites'
[09:10] <megabyte405> Dalkus:  if they just hijack an app, they don't know that, so they can't elevate to sudo
[09:10] <tritium> Dalkus, but they have to guess your user account name
[09:10] <Seveas> Roey, indeed
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  *'capabilities'
[09:10] <Dalkus> true
[09:10] <tritium> Dalkus, it's harder than already knowing "root
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  but I hear this argument so many times,
[09:10] <Seveas> i like a model with roles and capabilities a lot
[09:10] <Dalkus> brb
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  and apparently there are now at least two frameworks (well, three, countin PAM):  grsec and selinuix
[09:10] <e_machinist> Are we arguing about the way that Ubuntu handles root capabilities through the user account?
[09:10] <Roey> *selinux
[09:10] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:11] <calvin> ok, nvidia module is loading now
[09:11] <tritium> calvin, good :)
[09:11] <Roey> Seveas:  but it's way too complicated for me.
[09:11] <Seveas> Roey, that's too low level for a lot of things :)
[09:11] <Seveas> e_machinist, not arguing
[09:11] <tritium> calvin, you're in X.org now?
[09:11] <Seveas> just discussing :)
[09:11] <calvin> yes
[09:12] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:12] <tritium> calvin, yay :)
[09:12] <calvin> but had to go back to nv
[09:12] <calvin> nvidia still won't load
[09:12] <calvin> i mean work
[09:12] <tritium> you just said it would
[09:12] <Roey> Seveas:  I just want named capabilities (as a user) so that I can say, "Ok, let Maria from Marketing access this file, let Harry from HR print on this printer, let Oscar open his OpenVPN virtual ethernet device"
[09:12] <calvin> it shows up in lsmod, i mean
[09:12] <Roey> Seveas:  on windows I have the same problem with OpenVPN
[09:12] <tritium> calvin, let's take another look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and also your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:12] <Roey> Seveas:  is your nick SaveAs originally?
[09:12] <calvin> yes, just a sec
[09:12] <tritium> calvin, if you can paste it on pastebin.com, that will help
[09:12] <Seveas> Roey, that is something i like too, using UNIX groups you can achiee some of this model
[09:13] <Seveas> roey, nu
[09:13] <Roey> Seveas:  nu?
[09:13] <Seveas> no*
[09:13] <Seveas> it is Seveas
[09:13] <Roey> Seveas:  *oh*, what a difference, nu->no ;)
[09:13] <Seveas> yeah
[09:13] <Roey> Seveas:  what is it from, your nick?
[09:13] <ubuntoid> Dalkus, it's great for giving some folks access to root commands without giving them the root password, but it'll take some getting used to in this setting
[09:13] <ubuntoid> What if one needs to run a series of commands as root?
[09:13] <ubuntoid> e.g.
[09:13] <Seveas> don't know anymore
[09:13] <apokryphos> sudo -s
[09:13] <calvin> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:13] <Seveas> i think some random elf-like nickname generator
[09:13] <ubuntoid> Well that was wild
[09:13] <tritium> calvin, okay, I think that's easy to fix
[09:14] <Sensebend> I have a problem (running hoary) whenever I try and type forward slash or question mark it shows up as a french character e (with an accent)
[09:14] <Seveas> Sensebend, are you canadian?
[09:14] <Sensebend> how do I change my keymap
[09:14] <tritium> calvin, please put your xorg.conf on pastebin.com and I'll check it
[09:14] <Sensebend> yes I am :)
[09:14] <Seveas> i knew it :0
[09:14] <Seveas> ubuntu-installer thinks all canadian people have french keyboards :)
[09:14] <Sensebend> as if the *.ca didnt give me away
[09:14] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> keyboard
[09:15] <ubuntoid> Okay, well now it's installed, just need to figure out how to update and manage it :)
[09:15] <Seveas> i didn't look, Sensebend  :)
[09:16] <calvin> ok, just a second.  thanks tritium.
[09:17] <tritium> calvin, ok
[09:17] <Sensebend> it works now
[09:17] <Sensebend> thanks
[09:17] <calvin> ok, it's there
[09:17] <Sensebend> if I want to type french I just use the extended ascii codes for the characters
[09:17] <e_machinist> Warty Warthog.... Hoary Hedgehog... somebody in the creative department is crying for help.
[09:17] <Sensebend> I have an english keyboard though
[09:17] <tritium> calvin, URL?
[09:17] <e_machinist> haha
[09:18] <diana> How can I make my PEAP/EAP work even if I dont need a certificate, cuz in windows the server asks me for the certificate himlesf
[09:18] <Sensebend> made using the shell hard
[09:18] <Seveas> diana, are you using xsupplicant?
[09:18] <calvin> so i'm using the same config file that i was before with Warty
[09:18] <diana> yeah
[09:18] <diana> bu
[09:18] <calvin> which was working then
[09:18] <calvin> of course that was XFree86
[09:18] <Seveas> diana, set all certificate parameters to None
[09:19] <diana> Seveas, ok lets try that
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, you can't use the same config.  Warty uses XF86Config-4, and Hoary uses xorg.conf
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, please give me the URL to your xorg.conf
[09:19] <calvin> i also tried dpkg-reconfigre
[09:19] <tritium> on pastebin
[09:19] <Seveas> diana, that should be NONE
[09:19] <Seveas> all caps
[09:19] <calvin> http://www.pastebin.com/263081
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, wrong file
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, that's XF86Config-4
[09:20] <calvin> yeah, that's the one i've been trying
[09:20] <calvin> the one i'm using at the moment is using nv
[09:20] <tritium> calvin, wrong one
[09:20] <diana> Seveas, whats the difference between wpa_supplicant and xsupplicant
[09:20] <tritium> calvin, please paste xorg.conf and give me the URL
[09:20] <Seveas> wpa_supplicant can handle wpa
[09:20] <diana> Seveas, I dont seem to really understand how the work toghetheer
[09:20] <Seveas> xsupplicant cannt
[09:21] <diana> Seveas, ok ,so for peap xsupplicant is good enough
[09:21] <Seveas> if you use peap/eap without wpa you do not need wpa_supplicant
[09:21] <Seveas> xsupplicant is better documented (and thus easier to configure)
[09:21] <diana> Seveas, so for root_dir and root_cert i set them to none or comment them out...
[09:21] <Magick> How hard is it to change from Mandrake 10.1 to ubuntu? Thanks
[09:22] <apokryphos> Magick: not too hard; Ubuntu is pretty accessible.
[09:22] <grogoreo> hi
[09:22] <Seveas> diana, yes
[09:22] <apokryphos> Magick: if you're a KDE user, go for the Kubuntu installation.
[09:23] <grogoreo> I have Warty but want to update to Hoary can I do this via adding Hoary repositories?
[09:23] <Seveas> grogoreo, yes
[09:23] <calvin> tritium, it's at http://www.pastebin.com/263082
[09:23] <Seveas> just change all occurences of 'warty' in /etc/apt/surces.list to hoary
[09:24] <calvin> i just did dpkg-reconfigure, so this is what it comes up with
[09:24] <grogoreo> Seveas, great thank you!
[09:24] <Grock> tritium, how can i set it up internet sharing the forums don't help?
[09:24] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell grogoreo ubuhoary
[09:24] <Pyre> grogoreo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[09:24] <grogoreo> Seveas, is there any chance this may muck up linux in any way (im new to APT)
[09:24] <calvin> want me to try it real quick, see if it works?
[09:24] <calvin> it wasn't working before...
[09:24] <tritium> yes
[09:24] <grogoreo> Pyre, thanks will have a look
[09:24] <calvin> ok, just a second
[09:25] <tritium> Grock, I haven't done so myself.
[09:25] <ubuntoid> Are there other repositories from 'contrib'-type software for ubuntu?
[09:25] <Grock> tritium, ok so how do you know it's possible?
[09:25] <tritium> Grock, because I do
[09:26] <tritium> it's a capability of linux
[09:26] <tritium> ubuntoid, yes, universe and multiverse
[09:26] <Grock> so is it in the kernel
[09:26] <hybrid> hey tritium
[09:26] <Grock> masquerading
[09:26] <tritium> Grock, and there is information on the forums
[09:26] <tritium> yes
[09:26] <tritium> hi hybrid
[09:26] <Grock> I saw info but only questions
[09:27] <Seveas> grogoreo, if you do this and then apt-get dist-upgrade you will have a hoary install
[09:27] <Grock> no "answers" that led to a resolution
[09:27] <apokryphos> I see that when downloading from mirrors (the ISO, I guess), the sources.list is automatically altered. Is this right?
[09:27] <hybrid> can i run rpm's on ubuntu?
[09:27] <tritium> hybrid, you shouldn't
[09:27] <tritium> but you can
[09:27] <apokryphos> hybrid: you can converted to .debs and run, yes. Not recommended.
[09:27] <apokryphos> *convert
[09:27] <hybrid> i knew it aint the best but i dont see a skype .deb but i am still lookin
[09:28] <abelli> ciao
[09:28] <Seveas> ciao
[09:28] <apokryphos> Well anyhow, it seems to me that the sources.list automatically with the local mirrors do not have the Multiverse repo (not even as commented).
[09:28] <megabyte405> hybrid:  one is in synaptic
[09:28] <abelli> i can't use the microphone even if the volume is the highest, what's wrong?
[09:28] <megabyte405> I remember seeing one.
[09:29] <hybrid> o ok thanks
[09:29] <tritium> megabyte405, hybrid no, apt-cache search skype won't find anything
[09:29] <megabyte405> Ah, wait, nevermind, saw it on ubuntuguide.org, not synaptic
[09:30] <Magick> thanks for the Kubuntu info. I was a bit fearful of leaving kde!
[09:30] <apokryphos> Magick: no need to ;-). And 3.4 is in the repositories. First distro to. :)
[09:31] <Bazzi> yeah 3.4 seems to work smoothly here
[09:31] <randabis_> Magick kubuntu rocks :) It brought me back to kde
[09:31] <apokryphos> randabis_: xfce before?
[09:31] <randabis_> yeah, and gnome
[09:31] <alterim> kde is naff compared to gnome
[09:32] <apokryphos> ahem
[09:32] <black_nightmare> hey there
[09:32] <Magick> what is naff?
[09:32] <Seveas> alterim, please don't start another kde vs. gnome flame :)
[09:32] <randabis_> I humbly disagree...kde 3.4 pwns gnome 2.10 :)
[09:32] <alterim> no flame
[09:32] <apokryphos> Magick: colloquialism for "rubbish", basically.
[09:32] <randabis_> but that's a discussion for another channel
[09:32] <Seveas> randabis_, it's a matter of taste
[09:32] <randabis_> I agree
[09:32] <Seveas> personally i hate kde
[09:32] <alterim> i just think in terms of design, and i'm a designer, gnome shits on kde from a great height
[09:33] <Lukas> evening, im getting this error while trying to install locales - Generating locales...
[09:33] <Lukas>   en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[09:33] <alterim> wether it's technically better or not i don't know
[09:33] <black_nightmare> any of you know if there is any apt-get for qemu?
[09:33] <apokryphos> I just think in terms of design, kde is better than gnome from a great height.
[09:33] <alterim> how?
[09:33] <alterim> look at kde peoples desktops
[09:33] <mackid> gnome is better...
[09:33] <megabyte405> KDE looks like a fragile plastic toy.
[09:33] <apokryphos> It's aesthetically pleasing. That suffices.
[09:33] <Dalk-food> apokryphos, I used to think that... but now i dont think so
[09:33] <apokryphos> (For me)
[09:33] <alterim> they are so tacky; like drum and bass cd covers
[09:33] <megabyte405> but that's another matter.
[09:33] <Dalk-food> if you install some nice themes, it can look stunning
[09:33] <Magick> Having used both I see it as kde is for ex MS people and gnome is more for ex mac people.
[09:33] <apokryphos> megabyte405: I'm sorry it looks like that for you.
[09:33] <Seveas> black_nightmare, qemu is in ubuntu universe
[09:33] <alterim> with all these thermomiters and crap
[09:33] <apokryphos> alterim: yeah, sure.
[09:34] <mackid> Magick, well, that's why i like GNOME
[09:34] <megabyte405> apokryphos:  lol.  Don't worry.  My only expereince recently has been Knoppix, and it works for what I need it to.
[09:34] <black_nightmare> umm where was that again seveas?
[09:34] <Magick> They both work unlike other systems I used to use.
[09:34] <apokryphos> megabyte405: Heh. KDE on Knoppix isn't too nice.
[09:34] <randabis_> Personally I don't find KDE all that similar to windows
[09:34] <megabyte405> Where is my autoconf macro directory?
[09:34] <Seveas> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:34] <alterim> anyway
[09:34] <alterim> can someone tell me how to install ndiswrapper?
[09:34] <Dalk-food> apt-get ?
[09:34] <Lukas> evening, im getting this error while trying to install locales - Generating locales...   en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[09:34] <Seveas> alterim, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:34] <Magick> Yes but if you added more blue screens it would be a lot like ms
[09:35] <alterim> on a machine with no net connection?
[09:35] <mackid> hahah
[09:35] <megabyte405> Lukas:  did yu just upgrade to hoary?
[09:35] <randabis_> ndiswrapper is in /lib/modules already, but you need ndiswrapper-utils to actually use it
[09:35] <megabyte405> It changes locals.
[09:35] <Lukas> megabyte405, yes
[09:35] <megabyte405> locales.
[09:35] <alterim> it is?
[09:35] <apokryphos> There's an article on the wiki about it
[09:35] <Lukas> could you please point me to it?
[09:35] <Seveas> alterim, download the ndiswrapper-utils deb
[09:35] <alterim> i thought it was odd they included ndiswrapper-utils but not ndiswrapper
[09:35] <megabyte405> I remember seeing something about that, warning about the locale change.  Install locale-en or something, I don't remember where it was.
[09:36] <Seveas> and use a usb stick oslt to transfer it to that machine
[09:36] <black_nightmare> seveas do you know if ram upgrades would be autodetected right away or I'll have to change some configuration manually?
[09:36] <alterim> Seveas, isn't ndiswrapper-utils already on the ubuntu 5.04 install?
[09:36] <black_nightmare> sorry if thats a dumb question heh
[09:36] <Seveas> alterim, i don;t know
[09:36] <alterim> as far as i know it is. it's certainly unchecked in the package manager
[09:36] <Seveas> you could try
[09:36] <tullyan> hi
[09:36] <tullyan> anyone there
[09:36] <tullyan> ?
[09:36] <randabis_> ndiswrapper-utils should be checked
[09:36] <Seveas> modprobe ndiswrapper to get it working
[09:36] <alterim> i mean i have just this moment installed the default install of 5.04
[09:36] <apokryphos> tullyan: /list
[09:36] <tullyan> ?
[09:36] <megabyte405> Lukas:  Step 3 in Post-Upgrade
[09:37] <megabyte405> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:37] <apokryphos> tullyan: that's a yes :)
[09:37] <tullyan> ok ok
[09:37] <Seveas> black_nightmare, it is autodeteced (there is not much to change in the config)
[09:37] <alterim> so surely someone can tell me exactly what to do to get it running?
[09:37] <black_nightmare> seveas..ty just wanted check anyhow
[09:37] <tullyan> i need some help
[09:37] <randabis_> alterim, check the wiki
[09:37] <tullyan> i have some trouble with my networking in ubuntu since yesterday!
[09:37] <Seveas> alterim, download the windows drivers, run ndiswrapper -i on the .inf file
[09:37] <black_nightmare> seveas that  link you gave me just has five folders...nothing else
[09:37] <black_nightmare> where do I go?
[09:37] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell alterim ubundiswrapper
[09:37] <Pyre> alterim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:37] <_d4vid> hi all
[09:37] <tullyan> hi
[09:37] <kkathman> good day all :)
[09:37] <Seveas> black_nightmare, which link?
[09:38] <black_nightmare> seveas the one to archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:38] <jeramey> hello, all
[09:38] <tullyan> does anyone know s.th. about the linux (ubuntu) networking
[09:38] <black_nightmare> umm..drop the 's' sorry
[09:38] <black_nightmare> damn typing
[09:38] <kkathman> Would anyone hazard a guess as to why my tar command refuses to work all of a sudden?
[09:38] <megabyte405> Out of hydrocarbons?
[09:38] <kkathman> lol
[09:39] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you should add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <WillCooke> Hello all.  Question:  I'm going to try and install Ubuntu on an old (v. old) laptop of mine that doesnt boot from CD, there's no BIOS update to allow it to boot from cd.  How can I install Ubuntu??!
[09:39] <tritium> calvin, what is that?
[09:39] <randabis_> it stops working in what way?
[09:39] <Seveas> and use synaptic to install qemu
[09:39] <calvin> it's for direct chat
[09:39] <Lukas> megabyte405, ill be so happy if it works, let me see
[09:39] <calvin> at least, that's what i think it is...
[09:39] <kkathman> seriously I downloaded a couple of tar.gz programs, and did a sudo tar xvz on them, and the line just sits there and does nothing?
[09:39] <megabyte405> Lukas:  in fct, try all the post-install stuff there... it should do well.
[09:39] <Seveas> WillCooke, search the wiki for netboot install (if your machine can netboot)  or ask [nrx]  about floppy install he did it that way)
[09:40] <calvin> so, i tried and got the same thing
[09:40] <randabis_> kkathman, do xvzf not just xvz
[09:40] <WillCooke> seveas, no NIC, so I'll ask nrx thanks
[09:40] <megabyte405> kkathman:  suck it up and use the gui?  Beats me.  Is it installed?
[09:40] <calvin> want to see my log file?
[09:40] <black_nightmare> seveas you know if debian downloads work well on ubuntu or is it sometimes not always easy to just download and add it?
[09:40] <jeramey> Is anyone running Ubuntu on a PowerMac G5?
[09:40] <kkathman> well it was installed before :)
[09:40] <randabis_> kkathman, also make sure you've typed your password
[09:40] <calvin> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:40] <SysFail> a mac?
[09:40] <kkathman> I dont think I did anything to uninstall it...and I did type my password
[09:41] <SysFail> is that a computer?
[09:41] <SysFail> heheh
[09:41] <mebaran151> xmms does not work
[09:41] <inter_> anyone know how to get ubuntu to work after switching root HDD device names (ie. i switched from SATA to regular UATA)
[09:41] <randabis_> again, try xvzf not just xvz
[09:41] <Seveas> black_nightmare, why use debian downloads?
[09:41] <jeramey> SysFail, hyuck. :)
[09:41] <mebaran151> but beep-media-player does
[09:41] <mebaran151> weird
[09:41] <e_machinist> Quick Q. Is there a way to run the cron tasks (daily, hourly, monthly) manually?
[09:41] <Seveas> e_machinist, simply run them :)
[09:41] <alterim> can anyone help me to install ndiswrapper
[09:41] <alterim> ???
[09:41] <kkathman> ok I added that f and its working now...why?
[09:42] <alterim> i'm really quite keen to get it working
[09:42] <randabis_> alterim, did you check the wiki?
[09:42] <lixe_away> inter_  with a live cd
[09:42] <black_nightmare> seveas...well....I remember seeing one site but for some reason didn't bookmark it and now can't EVEN find it again but by the way of being funny... I also found this too: seem like the perfect site to bookmark for new downloads as far as I'm wondering http://packages.debian.org/stable/
[09:42] <e_machinist> simply run them.... umm... ok... what would be the command to do that?
[09:42] <black_nightmare> the 'one site' was supposed to have a html list and author-website link of ubuntu apt-get's you could use
[09:42] <apokryphos> randabis_: it erroneously presupposes that he has a net connection ;)
[09:42] <megabyte405> e_machinist:  whatever you put in the as the cron file
[09:42] <Seveas> black_nightmare, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www
[09:42] <inter_> lixe_away, done but what do I need to change?  I updated the fstand stuff, and ran update-grub
[09:42] <dross> wxwidgets is a big joke..
[09:42] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  very inadvisable to mix debian and ubuntu repositories
[09:42] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you don;t need to download manually
[09:42] <inter_> lixe_away, fstab*
[09:43] <Seveas> just use synaptic
[09:43] <Seveas> you can install EVERYTHING in the repositories with that
[09:43] <randabis_> apokryphos, I believe there is a new guide for people without a net connection somewhere...I thought I saw it anyway
[09:43] <lixe_away> inter_ /etc/fstab
[09:43] <lixe_away> ok
[09:43] <black_nightmare> seveas -- thats the site!!! damn
[09:43] <tullyan> can anyone help me!
[09:43] <tullyan> PLEASE!
[09:43] <calvin> argh, no joy with Hoary in nvida!
[09:43] <black_nightmare> *bookmarks it this time to not lose it a 2nd time*
[09:43] <megabyte405> What are some fun games?
[09:43] <apokryphos> randabis_: I'm sure he'd appreciate it if  you could find it. :)
[09:43] <black_nightmare> ty a lot seveas
[09:43] <inter_> lixe_away, ya, doesn't seem to work still -- kernel panic unknown device (0,0)
[09:43] <e_machinist> Time to pico crontab?
[09:43] <alterim> this guide is more useful
[09:43] <megabyte405> calvin:  to be brutally honest, I'd suggest just using the standard i386 kernel
[09:43] <alterim> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper%20without%20internet%20access%2C%20slow%20firefox
[09:44] <dross> tullyan: no? :P
[09:44] <randabis_> apokryphos, otherwise, I thought that ndiswrapper-utils would be on the cd...at least the hoary ones
[09:44] <alterim> but i don't know how to get the .debs it mentions
[09:44] <Imsdlea> how do you uninstall miniram?
[09:44] <tullyan> thank you dross
[09:44] <lixe_away> inter_ then i do not know
[09:44] <tullyan> ok
[09:44] <inter_> lixe_away, ok thx though :)
[09:44] <lixe_away> :)
[09:46] <Imsdlea> how do you uninstall miniram or icewm?
[09:47] <tritium> calvin, are you still there?  still waiting for your reply
[09:48] <lixe_away> inter_ changed grubs menu.lst?
[09:48] <calvin> yes
[09:48] <calvin> tritium, thanks
[09:48] <tritium> calvin, so what happened?
[09:48] <calvin> basically the same thing
[09:48] <calvin> it won't go into X.  i get an error in the log file
[09:49] <tritium> calvin, I'm switching between multiple channels.  I will miss your messages if you don't address them to me
[09:49] <calvin> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:49] <calvin> tritium, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:49] <calvin> (is that how to address?)
[09:49] <tritium> calvin, thanks, yes :)
[09:50] <tritium> calvin, please lsmod | grep nvidia and verify that it's loaded
[09:50] <Imsdlea> I want to change my ubuntu to fluxbox but I have installed icewm??? from http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[09:50] <Imsdlea> can anyone tell me how to setup ubuntu back to default?
[09:50] <a_monkey> 'sup. is ubuntu really ppc-friendly? recognizes hardware easily, etc.?
[09:50] <airox> Aren't there some packages for loop-aes ?
[09:50] <bmoi> does anyone know how i can get Xv video output to work with totem-xine? I've got VideoOverlay "On" in my Xorg.conf(which i believe the ati driver needs) but i still cant get Xv output?
[09:51] <calvin> tritium, output is "nvidia               3470620  0"
[09:51] <a_monkey> on ppc of course i mean
[09:51] <tritium> calvin, okay
[09:51] <Seveas> a_monkey, it is
[09:51] <tritium> calvin, dpkg -l | grep nvidia to verify what you've installed please
[09:51] <hybrid> a_monkey yes
[09:51] <Myrtti> a wild guess on the nvidia issue; you've installed stuff in the wrong order
[09:51] <hybrid> especially gor ibook g3s
[09:51] <hybrid> **for
[09:51] <calvin> tritium, "ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.6629-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[09:51] <calvin> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6629+1     NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[09:51] <calvin> "
[09:52] <tritium> ok, good
[09:52] <Seveas> a_monkey, only the latest airport cards (airport Xtreme??) don't work
[09:52] <tritium> calvin, I need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin, if you don't mind
[09:52] <black_nightmare> seveas so..anyhow..if something from the hoary packages list interests me ... like how would I get it if it also needed one or more seperate lib files?
[09:52] <usual> hi
[09:52] <calvin> np, just a sec
[09:52] <hybrid> Seveas yea extreme and some of the dail up modems dont worl
[09:52] <black_nightmare> just curious..this is my very first download I guess
[09:52] <Seveas> black_nightmare, that's the beauty of apt
[09:52] <Seveas> it does that for you :)
[09:52] <bmoi> any X boffins in here?
[09:53] <eyequeue> whatis boffins?
[09:53] <black_nightmare> oh hmm....so I just like do 'apt-get [name of program] ' or umm is it different? :">
[09:53] <Seveas> so if you want to install application foo which also needs libraries bar and baz, they will also be installed
[09:53] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you can use apt-get
[09:53] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  apt-get install foo
[09:53] <[nrx] > synaptic :)
[09:53] <Seveas> but better: the synaptic program
[09:54] <usual> http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/
[09:54] <black_nightmare> so for example if I wanted this http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/games/cowsay how would I type in the terminal?
[09:54] <Seveas> it's a graphical interface
[09:54] <usual> heh
[09:54] <massimiliano> How I can make to launch nautilus with /home/myhome on "top panel"?
[09:54] <calvin> tritium, http://www.pastebin.com/263095
[09:54] <biezt> can anyone talk me trough making a linux ftp  with vsftpd ?
[09:54] <tritium> calvin, thanks
[09:54] <Seveas> black_nightmare, search for cowsay in synaptic
[09:54] <black_nightmare> ty
[09:54] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  apt-get install cowsay
[09:54] <Seveas> select it for installing
[09:54] <Seveas> and click apply
[09:54] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  sudo apt-get install cowsay of course
[09:54] <massimiliano> Who ca help me?
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> biezt: not much to it - install it and /etc/init.d/vsptpd start
[09:55] <Seveas> if you search for 'games' in synaptic you can find all games
[09:55] <black_nightmare> ok just a dumb begineer question to that...where is synaptic as well? :">
[09:55] <Seveas> system->administration->sunaptic package manager
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> biezt: err . /etc/init.d/vsftpd start :)
[09:55] <tritium> calvin, can you please comment out the "dri" module?
[09:56] <hybrid> anyone using mac on linux here
[09:56] <black_nightmare> ah ty seveas
[09:56] <black_nightmare> eric ~ where you from?  maybe I'm not so far from you :))
[09:57] <black_nightmare> seveas oh thats pretty nice program... so if the checkbox is green I have it... if its blank I don't -- am I correct?
[09:57] <Imsdlea> how do you default back to gnome
[09:57] <biezt> how do i get my network ip adress ?
[09:57] <Seveas> black_nightmare, YES
[09:57] <calvin> tritium, done.  should i try it out?
[09:57] <[nrx] > biezt, "ifconfig"
[09:57] <tritium> calvin, please
[09:57] <biezt> not internet ip, something like 192.168.0.x
[09:57] <Seveas> biezt, type ifconfig in a terminal
[09:57] <[nrx] > entry beside eth0
[09:58] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys, do any of you know any cool linux games, if i can apt-get them even better
[09:58] <calvin> thx
[09:58] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, supertux :)
[09:58] <black_nightmare> seveas -- you know....I kinda starting to hate windows now...except for some of my favorite older dos/directx games
[09:58] <Seveas> and nethack of course
[09:58] <e_machinist> Are there any good disk maintenance apps?
[09:58] <black_nightmare> but maybe I can figure them over into emulator on ubuntu soon
[09:58] <eyequeue> oris_wolfbane:  sudo apt-get install bsdgames
[09:58] <black_nightmare> :)
[09:58] <Seveas> e_machinist, describe "disk maintenance"
[09:58] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  rm?
[09:58] <Seveas> lol eyequeue
[09:59] <e_machinist> heh, not rm. haha. More like an app that collects common tasks that keep your filesystem etc in good shape.
[09:59] <Seveas> defragmenter: not needed, partioner: gparted, backup: tar & gzip
[09:59] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  what are these common taks you speak of?
[10:00] <randabis_> oris_wolfbane, frozen bubble is always fun, there's tons of linux games
[10:00] <Parallax__> I have a noteook with no cdrom (broken) , How can I install linux on it ???
[10:00] <flujukas> hello
[10:00] <oris_wolfbane> seceas, eyequeue, oris_wolfbane thanxs v.much apt-getting now
[10:00] <Seveas> Parallax__, netboot install
[10:00] <biezt> how do i edit a file which can only b edited from root ? i'm in terminal !!
[10:00] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, search for 'games' in synaptic :)
[10:00] <tritium> biezt, with sudo
[10:00] <Seveas> sudo gedit filename
[10:00] <[nrx] > biezt: "sudo nano /path/to/file"
[10:00] <Parallax__> Seveas: where can i find a howto ??
[10:00] <e_machinist> biezt, tried, " sudo pico filename"?
[10:01] <Seveas> Parallax__, on the ubuntu wiki and forums i believe
[10:01] <eyequeue> biezt:  sudo is "do this as root" basically
[10:01] <Parallax__> ok thankxs
[10:01] <Seveas> e_machinist, it's called nano
[10:01] <tritium> pico is just a symlink to nano
[10:01] <robl^> either my brand new usb2 harddrive is toast, or their are major USB2 problems with Hoary.  I am getting lots of I/O errors, sometimes I can't mount, sometimes I can't umount
[10:01] <flujukas> i have a problem , when i want to boot ubuntu livecd the monitor turns off and gives me an "OUT OF RANGE" error , i think that its refresh rate's fault , so how could i fix that
[10:01] <flujukas> PLS hlep
[10:01] <flujukas> * help
[10:01] <oris_wolfbane> also, ive got a friend ova, anything you think i can show him to wow him with linux?
[10:01] <kbrooks> .....
[10:01] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  more likely nano than the non-free pico
[10:01] <tritium> pico is a symlink to nano anyway
[10:01] <biezt> and how do i get out of home dir ?
[10:01] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, the lates hoary livecd :)
[10:01] <Seveas> gnome 2.10 rocks
[10:01] <biezt> i need to be in etc :P
[10:02] <Seveas> biezt, cd /etc
[10:02] <kbrooks> oris_wolfbane, well, you could get the hoary livecd and sho him
[10:02] <black_nightmare> seveas I checked the setting>repositories list and seem that the higgs.djpig.de/ site is not in the source list .. was wondering if I could [and how do I know the exact address to use?]  add it in?
[10:02] <Seveas> biezt, get yourself a linux primer :)
[10:02] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you don;t need id
[10:02] <Seveas> it*
[10:02] <biezt> wtf is a primer ?
[10:02] <black_nightmare> ohh ok
[10:02] <biezt> i just wanted to learn linux :P
[10:02] <Seveas> higgs.djpig.de is a mirror of the standard ubuntu archive
[10:02] <[nrx] > biezt, a guide to linux :)
[10:02] <oris_wolfbane> kbrooks, its installed lol, hes not the kind that likes computer i just wanna show him somthing cool he cant do in windows
[10:02] <[nrx] > a learner's guide, basically.
[10:02] <black_nightmare> seveas -- ahh duh...hmmm brb :p
[10:02] <ubuntoid> :(
[10:03] <ubuntoid> Apparently one shouldn't update a hoary system?
[10:03] <WeirdAl> Can anyone point me to a server/chan where I can bug people persistently about wine
[10:03] <WeirdAl> ?
[10:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, you can update Hoary
[10:03] <eyequeue> ubuntoid:  why would you say that?
[10:03] <tamir> how i can use Proxy in apt-get ???
[10:03] <WeirdAl> That wasn't me
[10:03] <tamir> how i can use Proxy in apt-get ???
[10:03] <WeirdAl> :-)
[10:03] <Seveas> tamir, rtfm
[10:03] <ubuntoid> eyequeue, I think I just need to figure out the proper procedure
[10:03] <tamir> how ?
[10:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you try winetools?  What's the matter?
[10:03] <Seveas> man apt.conf
[10:03] <eyequeue> tamir:  the http_proxy environment variable is honoured
[10:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, we update/upgrade hoary everyday.
[10:04] <WeirdAl> Well a) the mime type isn't working
[10:04] <ubuntoid> I did an apt-get upgrade and when it restarted X all I get is a black screen
[10:04] <hybrid> Seveas what is rtfm
[10:04] <Seveas> read the fine manual
[10:04] <hybrid> oo
[10:04] <eyequeue> read the fscking manual
[10:04] <WeirdAl> and b) when I try to install PSP, it gives me an error about something...
[10:04] <a_monkey> would ubuntu ppc do a nice job on detecting hardware on an eMac, also?
[10:04] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you install/run winetools?
[10:04] <Seveas> eyequeue, that is man fsck :)
[10:04] <WeirdAl> Even though PSP is first on the list.
[10:04] <eyequeue> ie, man fsck ;)
[10:04] <WeirdAl> Yeah
[10:04] <Keizer> What's the preferred method of installing MySQL on Ubuntu?
[10:04] <Seveas> lol
[10:04] <hybrid> a_monkey prolly
[10:04] <Seveas> for manpage addicts: install funny manpages
[10:04] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you step through all of the installation steps when you ran winetools?
[10:04] <calvin> tritium, so commenting out DRI didn't seem to have an effect
[10:04] <Seveas> it's a killer :)
[10:04] <hybrid> Keizer apt
[10:04] <a_monkey> hybrid: k. that's kool
[10:04] <WeirdAl> I think so.
[10:04] <eyequeue> Keizer:  sudo apt-get install mysql-client (or server)
[10:05] <tamir> how ?
[10:05] <tritium> WeirdAl, what did you install?
[10:05] <tamir> how i can use Proxy in apt-get ???
[10:05] <Keizer> Ok
[10:05] <eyequeue> tamir:  the http_proxy environment variable is honoured
[10:05] <WeirdAl> wine as winehq said, and winetools.
[10:05] <tamir> i no have a file - /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:05] <hybrid> a_monkey like i said i beleive airport extreme and some dail up modems are the only conflict
[10:05] <tritium> WeirdAl, no, that's not what I asked
[10:05] <Keizer> Does apt-get support: sudo apt-get search mysql
[10:05] <black_nightmare> seveas hmm.. I tried search for 'cowsay' and it came back with no results...I even looked in the 'games' section and its quite small compared to the higgs.djpig.de site's list
[10:05] <a_monkey> hybrid: well then i don't have to worry. :)
[10:05] <tritium> WeirdAl, when you __ran__ winetools, what did you install?
[10:05] <eyequeue> Keizer:  no such command
[10:05] <calvin> tritium, so someone earlier suggested just switching to i386 kernel.  should i try that?
[10:05] <eyequeue> Keizer: apt-cache search foo exists however
[10:05] <Seveas> black_nightmare, haveyou enabled universe
[10:06] <hybrid> a_monkey koll i am on an ibook g3 now it is awesome
[10:06] <tritium> calvin, possibly so.  Perhaps I'm unaware of problems on k7
[10:06] <tritium> calvin, because otherwise, everything looks good
[10:06] <a_monkey> hybrid: ubuntu did a good job of detecting monitor tech specs
[10:06] <a_monkey> ?
[10:06] <tritium> WeirdAl, and why would you think you can't upgrade an Hoary system?
[10:06] <WeirdAl> Nothing I didn't think I needed, but I can't honestly remember
[10:06] <WeirdAl> tritium... read up
[10:06] <WeirdAl> I didn't say that :-)
[10:06] <black_nightmare> oh umm....where do I enable that seveas?
[10:07] <WeirdAl> that was ubuntoid
[10:07] <tritium> WeirdAl, sorry ;)
[10:07] <WeirdAl> NP
[10:07] <Keizer> OMG
[10:07] <WeirdAl> Let me re-run this so I can tell you what I've done.
[10:07] <ubuntoid> tritium, I did an update, and now after logging in, all I get is a black screen
[10:07] <Seveas> black_nightmare, edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[10:07] <hybrid> a_monkey yea i was surprised it detected all my hardware even the trackpad but the sound is not 100%
[10:07] <Keizer> mysql-devel and mysql-shared are not in apt
[10:07] <tritium> ubuntoid, what packages were updated?
[10:07] <black_nightmare> seveas.. root terminal?
[10:07] <Keizer> Those are needed for my programs to interface
[10:07] <Seveas> and remove the # characters in front of all lines that start with deb and contain universe
[10:07] <ubuntoid> tritium, 250M worth, apparently
[10:08] <tritium> ubuntoid, have you been running Hoary before, or did you just upgrade from Warty today?
[10:08] <a_monkey> hybrid: yeh. i've never installed a distro that sound was perfect on
[10:08] <a_monkey> hybrid: except fedora core
[10:08] <ubuntoid> ubuntoid, I downloaded the Hoary install ISO and installed that
[10:08] <[nrx] > who's up for helping me with ndiswrapper again? :)
[10:08] <WeirdAl> tritium, do I need to do all this stuff about IE6?
[10:08] <a_monkey> is anyone on an eMac right now?
[10:08] <ubuntoid> tritium, Then I uncommented the update lines in sources.config and did update and upgrade
[10:08] <klejs> Ngon svensk hr som kan hjlpa mig?
[10:08] <hybrid> a_monkey yea sound works on some apps but not others
[10:08] <tritium> WeirdAl, not necessarily, but some programs (e.g. yahoo messenger) require it, actually
[10:08] <WeirdAl> well I won't be using that!
[10:08] <WeirdAl> Gods.
[10:09] <Keizer> apt is a pain
[10:09] <ubuntoid> tritium, When it updated the X stuff, it restarted X and now all I get is a black screen
[10:09] <WeirdAl> I'll probably only use wine for Photoshop anyway.
[10:09] <Keizer> Too bad mysql.com doesn't have a .deb
[10:09] <a_monkey> i'd really appreciate it if somebody on an eMac would send me their xorg.conf.
[10:09] <WeirdAl> Save learning the gimp[
[10:09] <a_monkey> anybody?
[10:09] <tritium> ubuntoid, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages
[10:09] <eyequeue> Keizer:  what are you talking about?
[10:09] <massimiliano> is it possible to insert in "top panel" the menu of "resources"...home...computer...excuse for my english....
[10:09] <tritium> Keizer, there are mysql .debs
[10:09] <calc> Keizer: yea apt-get install mysql is very difficult
[10:09] <WeirdAl> :-| Now it's stuck on a download that's not happening.
[10:09] <eyequeue> Keizer:  sudo apt-get install mysql-client (or server)
[10:09] <klejs> Anyone that wanna help me with some sound drivers? Please PM me...
[10:09] <tritium> Keizer, apt-cache search mysql
[10:09] <Lukas_> where does apt store the downloaded packages?
[10:10] <eyequeue> Keizer:  i said that to you initially
[10:10] <tritium> Lukas_, /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:10] <Seveas> Lukas_, /var/cache/apt
[10:10] <black_nightmare> seveas..sorry nevermind I finally figured it out ;)
[10:10] <Keizer> What about the header files?
[10:10] <eyequeue> Keizer: apt-cache search foo exists however
[10:10] <Keizer> I need the header files so it will interface with php
[10:10] <Lukas_> damn i downloaded 428mb but only 100mb is there
[10:10] <eyequeue> Keizer: apt-cache search mysql
[10:10] <tritium> Keizer, apt-cache search and look for -dev
[10:11] <Keizer> I'll have to use grep heh
[10:11] <tritium> Keizer, yeah, or | less, or > outputfile
[10:11] <Keizer> Damn, grep doesn't work with it
[10:11] <tamir> i success
[10:11] <tritium> Keizer, yes it does
[10:11] <tamir>   Acquire::http::Proxy "http://web-proxy:8088/";;
[10:11] <tamir>   Acquire::http::Proxy::debdepot DIRECT; in apt.conf
[10:11] <eyequeue> Keizer:  what system are you on???
[10:11] <WeirdAl> grr, I can't even download the Arial font
[10:12] <chipp> hey all, i need a little help.
[10:12] <WeirdAl> Will it screw up if I ignore that?
[10:12] <black_nightmare> hmm seveas...any idea about root password?
[10:12] <black_nightmare> I don't even recall that during installion.. just the user password
[10:12] <eyequeue> tamir:  much simpler to just set the environment variable as i first suggested
[10:12] <tritium> black_nightmare, what about it?
[10:12] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  there is no root password, by intent
[10:12] <tritium> black_nightmare, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:12] <Keizer> It doesn't have the -devel or -shared or -shared-compat
[10:12] <chipp> How would I go about logging in to the admin account?
[10:13] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:13] <tritium> eyequeue, already covered ;)
[10:13] <eyequeue> tritium:  i can't read the screen while i look at the keys however
[10:13] <tritium> you can't touch type?  ;)
[10:14] <eyequeue> no
[10:14] <tritium> it's fine
[10:14] <black_nightmare> oh ic...one second let me run terminal and try password root...
[10:14] <eyequeue> nor will i even at this age
[10:14] <tritium> what age?
[10:14] <eyequeue> eveR
[10:14] <eyequeue> let's just say adult, heh
[10:14] <tritium> okay, if you wish ;)
[10:15] <eyequeue> i type with about 4 fingers, and have done so for decades
[10:15] <tritium> oh, okay
[10:15] <biezt> what is the dir where vsftpd is installed in ?
[10:15] <apokryphos> eyequeue: It's worth trying to change ;-). It requires a few days of diligence, and that's it, really.
[10:15] <biezt> i can't find it, but need 2 edit conf file
[10:15] <eyequeue> to go back to 3 characters per minute, even if my finger muscles would work, well, it's just not something i could handle :)
[10:15] <tritium> biezt, dpkg -L vsftp
[10:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  no, i've done that, after two weeks i had asdf with about a 50% error rate, so i gave up
[10:16] <tritium> eyequeue, I'm 31 for what it's worth
[10:16] <apokryphos> eyequeue: the speed will rapidly increase, the more you use it. So many people are put off originally by the slow speed, but fail to realise that sticking with it just for a bit will pay off significantly.
[10:16] <biezt> dkpg not found :|
[10:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  neural deficits here
[10:16] <tritium> biezt, dpkg
[10:16] <Keizer> Hmmmm
[10:16] <apokryphos> eyequeue: the problem was most likely that you tried to start off without looking at the keyes.
[10:17] <apokryphos> *keys
[10:17] <black_nightmare> umm where do I type 'sudo' someone?
[10:17] <tritium> biezt, you just spelled it wrong, that's all
[10:17] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  terminal
[10:17] <apokryphos> black_nightmare: err, terminal?
[10:17] <apokryphos> eyequeue: That's always the wrong way to go about it, IMO. Always start with just using the right fingers, and looking at the keys as much as you want. The rest comes naturally, later.
[10:17] <ubuntoid> tritium, Nothing too bizarre there, but the system recommended a dpkg --config -a to fix something
[10:18] <black_nightmare> ughh sorry...sometimes I don't get the hang of some things hehe
[10:18] <apokryphos> :)
[10:18] <Keizer> Does anyone know if the MySQL-server will install the header files?
[10:18] <biezt> i did that  :P but i see nowhere where it's installed :P
[10:18] <tritium> Keizer, probably not
[10:18] <eyequeue> Keizer:  as you were told, -dev does
[10:18] <tritium> biezt, dpkg -L <package> lists all the files in the package
[10:20] <hybrid> i need help with mac on linux
[10:20] <black_nightmare> hmm I set a root password and went to system tools>run as different user
[10:20] <black_nightmare> then typed 'text editor' and selected root and enter my password ... it doesn't seem to even do anything afterward
[10:20] <black_nightmare> or did I do something wrong? :p
[10:20] <black_nightmare> I do have a root password set now btw
[10:21] <ubuntoid> What does it mean when packages are held back?
[10:21] <Seveas> Keizer, for mysql header files you need libmysqlclient12-dev
[10:21] <tritium> black_nightmare, that still calls gksudo, which needs your user's password
[10:21] <tamir> where i can download ubuntu sarge
[10:21] <tamir> where i can download ubuntu sarge
[10:21] <Seveas> nowhere
[10:21] <eyequeue> what is the fascination with root passwords?
[10:21] <eyequeue> tamir:  no such thing
[10:21] <Imsdlea> can anyone tell me how to reinitiate the GDM?
[10:21] <apokryphos> Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high.
[10:21] <tritium> ubuntoid, it means that the upgrade will require removing packages, or certain other things
[10:21] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:21] <black_nightmare> oh ic
[10:21] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:21] <JDahl> ubuntoid, it means that some packages depend on them and doesnt not work with the newest version
[10:22] <eyequeue> Imsdlea:  as in "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"?
[10:22] <black_nightmare> trit..so hmm how do I go along with getting Text Editor opened with root access to files?
[10:22] <Seveas> JDahl, that's not true
[10:22] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  suco
[10:22] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  sudo
[10:22] <JDahl> Seveas, isn't that normal reason for holding back packages?
[10:22] <ubuntoid> tritium, JDahl Oh, okay... linux-restricted-modules, etc
[10:22] <Imsdlea> Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager.
[10:22] <dabugas_> hi
[10:22] <apokryphos> or with Alt + F2 > gksudo/kdesu
[10:23] <apokryphos> Imsdlea: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[10:23] <Seveas> JDahl, not really
[10:23] <tritium> ubuntoid, which version?
[10:23] <Seveas> it usually means: big change, be careful
[10:23] <tritium> yes ^^^
[10:23] <black_nightmare> hmm do I only type 'sudo' or is there a line I have to type?
[10:23] <Imsdlea> thanks guys... god bless
[10:23] <Echylo> where are the gnome menu entries located? cause I want to delete the debian folder
[10:24] <osity> hi....i just installed ubantu and i cant seem to ssh into it.
[10:24] <Echylo> and it made a duplicate of graphics & multimedia
[10:24] <JDahl> Seveas, it's a very normal procedure to hold back a version because of compatibility, e.g., for backported packages
[10:24] <mackid> black_nightmare: type sudo commandname
[10:24] <Vjaz> Echylo: /usr/share/applications
[10:24] <tritium> osity, you need to install ssh
[10:24] <tritium> or at least openssh-server
[10:24] <osity> how?
[10:24] <Echylo> yes but the debian folder isn't in /usr/share/applications
[10:24] <ubuntoid> tritium, This is Hoary, and it held back linux-restricted-modules-386, linux-image-386, two gstreamer modules, and ubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <mackid> black_nightmare: commandname being whatever command you want to run as root
[10:24] <tritium> (ssh also installs client)
[10:24] <tritium> osity, apt-get install ssh
[10:24] <ubuntoid> Is there a way to get it to tell me which versions?
[10:24] <Seveas> ubuntoid, with apt-get dist-upgrade these held back packages will be upgraded too
[10:25] <Vjaz> Echylo: Delete something else then.
[10:25] <Vjaz> Echylo: Which version of Gnome?
[10:25] <Seveas> dpkg -l tells you installed versions
[10:25] <hybrid> anyone have mac on linux installed and working
[10:25] <black_nightmare> hmm so like 'sudo edit /etc/apt/sources.list' or not in that manner?
[10:25] <apokryphos> ubuntoid: combine that with a grep, with the package you want.
[10:25] <apokryphos> black_nightmare: I think you wanna use gedit, but that's it, yes.
[10:26] <mackid> black_nightmare: i would use nano.. 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:26] <mackid> but yeah.
[10:26] <Echylo> Vjaz the latest I guess
[10:26] <pablo928> Seveas:is apt-get dist-upgrade usually a safe command?
[10:26] <black_nightmare> ok let me try type that mackid
[10:26] <Echylo> 2.10
[10:26] <ubuntoid> Seveas, It says I have 2.6.10-5 of each installed
[10:26] <tritium> pablo928, mostly, but it can be dangerous depending on the status of packages in the repo
[10:26] <black_nightmare> ok ughh....damn :|
[10:27] <black_nightmare> seveas your lines went off my text buffer --- which lines in sources.list should I remove the #'s from again?
[10:27] <apokryphos> pablo928: dist-upgrade of stable > stable is fully supported, but stable > unstable, not so. Still, it should be fine, generally.
[10:27] <Seveas> black_nightmare, all lines that start with deb and contain the word univers
[10:27] <Seveas> universe*
[10:27] <Keizer> O.M.F.G. Ubuntu 4 Life
[10:27] <pablo928>  tritium:I used it last night and lost internet access until this morning when I by-passed my router.
[10:28] <tritium> pablo928, if you're not careful, you can inadvertently remove packages that you need
[10:28] <ubuntoid> Is linux-image the kernel?
[10:28] <tritium> ubuntoid, yes
[10:28] <Vjaz> Echylo: maybe do a 'find /usr/share -name "*.desktop"' or something?
[10:28] <Echylo> hmm ok
[10:28] <Echylo> thanks
[10:28] <Echylo> but I just realised
[10:28] <black_nightmare> seveas..ah ok..found two and uncommented them
[10:28] <Echylo> I don't really need the menu
[10:28] <ubuntoid> tritium, Will apt handle the changes in grub?  Or do I need to do something?
[10:28] <Echylo> so I just removed it from the panel :p
[10:28] <Seveas> black_nightmare, good
[10:28] <tritium> ubuntoid, what do you mean?
[10:28] <pablo928>  tritium:I guess it's a command that I narmally should leave alone
[10:28] <black_nightmare> umm how do I save a file in nano??? lol
[10:28] <Seveas> now, as root, type apt-get update
[10:28] <Servo888> So what is the latest release? Hoary? or Warty?
[10:29] <tritium> pablo928, usually, yes
[10:29] <dabugas> i've been editing the launchers in applications:/ with nautilus and for some reason they don't actually appear in the gnome menu
[10:29] <randabis> hoary is the latest
[10:29] <dabugas> anyone know what may be wrong?
[10:29] <ubuntoid> tritium, On other distros, one needs to add the new kernel settings by hand
[10:29] <fangorious> is there a command to refresh the menu so I don't have to log out/in after installing something?
[10:29] <Seveas> black_nightmare, use <CTRL> and O
[10:29] <apokryphos> pablo928: not really. I update a couple times a week.
[10:29] <randabis> but it isn't released yet
[10:29] <tritium> Warty is the latest stable and supported
[10:29] <eyequeue> pablo928:  sudo apt-get install packagename
[10:29] <black_nightmare> ah ty seveas
[10:29] <apokryphos> dabugas: yeah, gnome menus are busted.
[10:29] <black_nightmare> so run apt-get update already...right?
[10:29] <eyequeue> pablo928:  that will always tell you what else it wants to do, and you can say yes or no (no if you don't like it)
[10:29] <tritium> ubuntoid, update-grub will be run automatically
[10:29] <Keizer> Wow
[10:30] <Keizer> gcc not installed?
[10:30] <fangorious> dabugas, at least in fedora, the applcations: interface is always disabled ("because it doesn't work" being the reason)
[10:30] <eyequeue> pablo928:  an easy and safe way to find out what is holding back a package
[10:30] <apokryphos> Keizer: apt-get install build-essential
[10:30] <calvin> tritium, well i switched to i386, and it looks like i'm much closer: http://www.pastebin.com/263103
[10:30] <pablo928> apokryphos:I do daily but I guess i'll just use apt-get upgrade instead. Safer?
[10:30] <tritium> calvin, that's good
[10:30] <black_nightmare> seveas .. I should run 'apt-get update' now...correct?
[10:30] <Guilmon> question, where is glut.h?
[10:30] <Seveas> yes
[10:31] <Seveas> Guilmon, in the glut-dev package
[10:31] <eyequeue> dabugas:  but it only gets worse in hoary, there is no applications:///
[10:31] <Servo888> So ubuntu is debian based right? So it supports apt-get and such. How 'bleeding' edge are the packages?
[10:31] <apokryphos> pablo928: erm, kind of. It won't remove packages. See man apt-get
[10:31] <Seveas> eyequeue, amaranth has made a nice editor for that
[10:31] <apokryphos> pablo928: daily is quite unnecessary though. :)
[10:31] <Guilmon> Seveas: oh. Thanks, I thought I tried that, I guess I forgot -dev :)
[10:31] <eyequeue> Servo888:  with a release every six months, stable is not old
[10:31] <apokryphos> eyequeue: but the packages are. :P
[10:31] <Guilmon> Seveas: hmmm
[10:31] <dabugas> hmm, so is there anyone of getting a nifty menu like that?
[10:32] <calvin> tritium, it looks like it should be working, but i just get a blank screen...
[10:32] <dabugas> anyone=any way
[10:32] <black_nightmare> ahhh ok seveas..its grabbing the lists off web for the respoitories....am I correct?
[10:32] <fangorious> when I install a new application in apt (thunderbird and graveman being the two in question) the menu entry has a default icon rather than the one in it's .desktop file. is there a way to refresh the icon without logging out/in?
[10:32] <Seveas> Servo888, gnome is really bleeding edge, the rest is modern
[10:32] <Echylo> dabugas you have hoary?
[10:32] <tritium> calvin, hmm...
[10:32] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell dabugas ubugnomemenu
[10:32] <Pyre> dabugas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[10:32] <dabugas> Echylo: warty
[10:32] <Servo888> Seveas, ok.
[10:32] <Guilmon> Seveas: okay, there is no glut-dev ;)
[10:32] <calvin> tritium, last line is "(II) Initializing extension GLX"
[10:32] <calvin> no error
[10:32] <tritium> ok
[10:32] <eyequeue> Servo888:  the next release date is 6 april btw
[10:32] <Seveas> Guilmon, libglut3-dev
[10:32] <black_nightmare> seveas ok its done with that apt-get .. I guess thats it?
[10:32] <Guilmon> Seveas: aha!
[10:32] <Seveas> yes
[10:32] <Servo888> Seveas, or eyequeue; does ubuntu ship with a light weight wm such as fluxbox? I have a 350Mhz cpu which I want to use as a dvd player; so gnome and kde is over kill.
[10:33] <ubuntoid> Ah.... got it back.  Thank you folks
[10:33] <pablo928>  apokryphos: It's because hoary has so many large upgrades
[10:33] <Seveas> now open synaptic and search for games (or cowsay if you want that specific one)
[10:33] <Guilmon> Seveas: freeglut fyi ;)
[10:33] <Keizer> Gah, how can I kill an apt-get process that I ctrl-z ed?
[10:33] <Seveas> Servo888, it doesn't come with fluxbox on cd, but it's easy to install using apt
[10:33] <Guilmon> it says it selects freeglut instead of libglut
[10:33] <eyequeue> Keizer:  fg
[10:33] <apokryphos> pablo928: Things are uploaded a lot, but major changes aren't; not really. Unless you really wanna update a package, it's not really necessary.
[10:34] <Servo888> Seveas, excellent - thanks for the help, I'll download the iso, back up some data, and install :-)
[10:34] <Seveas> pablo928, after release hoary will have no updates
[10:34] <Seveas> except for security bugs
[10:34] <alterim> since i got into linux a few days ago, my gf has complained i've been neglecting her
[10:34] <apokryphos> Keizer: ctrl-z ed?
[10:34] <Keizer> Thanks
[10:34] <black_nightmare> seveas it works now ty a lot....I'm seeing 'universal' sections now
[10:34] <Seveas> and other seriu=ous bugs
[10:34] <alterim> anyone else get this
[10:34] <black_nightmare> and I found cowsay :)
[10:34] <Keizer> I used ctrl-z on it
[10:34] <apokryphos> alterim: :D
[10:34] <Seveas> alterim, :)
[10:34] <Seveas> sounds familiar
[10:34] <black_nightmare> I'm going off for now so bye ;)
[10:34] <eyequeue> Keizer:  fg, then ^C if you really want it dead
[10:34] <alterim> why is that something to smile at?
[10:34] <apokryphos> Keizer: are you using synaptic or apt?
[10:35] <black_nightmare> ty anyhow everyONE!
[10:35] <alterim> to me it's making me think.. is this worth it?
[10:35] <dabugas> so it's nautilus editing that's broken; the menus _do_ work
[10:35] <dabugas> right?
[10:35] <Seveas> dabugas, it's not broken
[10:35] <apokryphos> dabugas: in Ubuntu, yes.
[10:35] <eyequeue> alterim:  yeah, many find gfs are not worth it
[10:35] <Seveas> it simply is no longer there
[10:35] <Seveas> gnome 2.10 has a new menu system
[10:35] <pablo928>  apokryphos:I'm thinking to leave my version of hoary alone now until it becomes stable. Less than 2 weeks?
[10:35] <apokryphos> dabugas: check the link I gave you earlier.
[10:35] <tritium> calvin, I'm just not really seeing anything terribly wrong
[10:35] <Seveas> for which no official editor exists
[10:35] <eyequeue> Seveas:  he mentioned applications:///, so i think he's still on warty
[10:35] <apokryphos> pablo928: no harm in that at all. I recommend doing so, yes.
[10:36] <dabugas> apokryphos: i checked it out; the package is not there
[10:36] <Seveas> eyequeue, i missed that, sorry
[10:36] <Wiser> wow, finally an Ubuntu version that will let me use my wireless!  :-D
[10:36] <tritium> calvin, I've got to get going.  It looks like you're getting close.  Good luck!
[10:36] <michael> hi, i'm trying to set up a dual monitor display.. i altered my xorg.conf file (i'm in hoary) to have two monitors and two screens and the serverlayout has Screen1 RightOf Screen2, but i rebooted and there is no change
[10:36] <calvin> thx tritium
[10:36] <tritium> calvin, take care
[10:36] <eyequeue> Seveas:  np, that's what triggred my "and it's gone in hoary" comment that probably threw you off
[10:36] <dabugas> o,h wait. it is. my bad :)
[10:37] <pablo928>  apokryphos:Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
[10:37] <pvoce> Fack: nothing worked last night, so I started from scratch and installed the nvidia-glx drivers through synaptic.  I now get the "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" error.  Known issue?
[10:37] <eyequeue> i really do think removing functionality/configurability is a bad direction though
[10:37] <Seveas> eyequeue, it is
[10:37] <Seveas> but the new menu system is so much better
[10:37] <Servo888> michael, you don't need to reboot your pc. Just restart xorg.
[10:37] <Seveas> Amaranth's editor works good though
[10:37] <eyequeue> Seveas:  better in what way?
[10:38] <ells> how do i enable the dma on my dvdplayer
[10:38] <Seveas> ells, with hdparm
[10:38] <alterim> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper installation?
[10:38] <claint> hi there. anyone know where ubuntu keeps the downloaded packages?
[10:38] <michael> Servo888: well either way, i rebooted my system and there was no change.. what could i be doing wrong?
[10:38] <alterim> noone is able to help me so far :(
[10:38] <eyequeue> Seveas:  make me feel grateful for it :)
[10:38] <Seveas> claint, /var/cache/apt/packages
[10:38] <bhna> ells: etc/hdparm.conf
[10:38] <claint> Seveas : thankkk you
[10:38] <ells> Seveas, hdparm -df 1 or something like that
[10:38] <pvoce> ells hdparm 1 /dev/(dvddevice)
[10:38] <Seveas> eyequeue, for one thing in compatibility
[10:38] <ells> pvoce thanks
[10:38] <WeirdAl> The damned winetools font server is dead.
[10:38] <WeirdAl> I can't install any fonts.
[10:38] <Seveas> eyequeue, read up on freedesktop.org :)
[10:39] <Echylo> hmm how can you remove all the kde packagesN
[10:39] <pvoce> with the df of course...typing ahead of myself:)
[10:39] <Echylo> ?
[10:39] <dabugas> okay, i'm getting the depends for the menu editor, thanks :)
[10:39] <Servo888> michael, post your config here http://pastebin.com/
[10:39] <Seveas> Echylo, remove kdelibs-4
[10:39] <Servo888> michael, and send a link back to this channel
[10:39] <michael> servo888: okay
[10:39] <Seveas> a lot depends on it, so that will get removed too
[10:39] <alterim> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper installation?
[10:39] <ells> pvoce, is it just hdpar 1 /dev/hdc then
[10:39] <ells> hdparm
[10:39] <eyequeue> alterim:  apparently not in here?  search the wiki and forums, i guess
[10:39] <pvoce> ells: ad the -df
[10:40] <ells> thanks
[10:40] <alterim> i've searched everywhere
[10:40] <alterim> and idon't even understand the guides i have found
[10:40] <eyequeue> alterim:  did you post a request to ubuntu-users?
[10:40] <claint> Seveas : close enough. i got them in /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:40] <alterim> nothing seems coherent in terms of what people say
[10:40] <super_dude2> what do i do to install jvm i get this error when i open the selfextracting file
[10:40] <super_dude2> The filename "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "shell script". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[10:40] <super_dude2> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "shell script", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[10:40] <alterim> no
[10:40] <dabugas> i remember that once upon a moon metacity was really slow and sluggish. has anyone seen any advantage in using gnome with another wm such as openbox, sawfish, etc?
[10:40] <michael> Servo888: http://pastebin.com/263106
[10:40] <ells> pvoce: is this is  hdparm -df 1 /dev/hdc
[10:40] <pvoce> ells: you should be able to ad the statement in one of your init files to do it at boot
[10:40] <mtl514> is ubuntu a livecd distro?
[10:40] <eyequeue> alterim:  lists.ubuntu.com should have a link as to where to mail to
[10:40] <ells> pvoce; okay
[10:41] <eyequeue> alterim:  if i knew myself, i'd walk you through it of course
[10:41] <Seveas> dabugas, i have to use gnome+sawfish at work
[10:41] <Seveas> it stinks
[10:41] <pvoce> ells: is the hdc your dvd drive?
[10:41] <Seveas> (imnsho)
[10:41] <eyequeue> mtl514:  both yes and no
[10:41] <ells> pvoce, yes
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> mtl514: yes and no - it's both live or install.
[10:41] <Seveas> mtl514, ubuntu has both livecd's and install cd's
[10:41] <dabugas> mtl514: no, but there is a live cd version of it
[10:41] <eyequeue> mtl514:  depends on which way you choose to use it
[10:41] <Seveas> well well :)
[10:42] <dabugas> Seveas: i used that a cpl of years ago, having out of the wm-business for some time
[10:42] <mtl514> just want to it work
[10:42] <Echylo> what does this error means? ** (process:13541): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:42] <pvoce> ells: that would be it then
[10:42] <bhna> ells: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:42] <Seveas> Echylo, i get that a lot too
[10:42] <Seveas> seems pretty harmless though
[10:42] <Echylo> oh ok :)
[10:42] <Echylo> yes
[10:42] <Echylo> but it's strange :)
[10:43] <dabugas> it's just that gtk-2.0 is not really that fast and metacity is built on that
[10:43] <LeeJunFan> mtl514: well that it can't do :)
[10:43] <ells> bhna, what should i change in that config file
[10:43] <alterim> i just want to cry
[10:43] <alterim> 3 days
[10:43] <mtl514> i tried knoppix, dsl & slax
[10:43] <alterim> it's not right that someone spends 3 days trying to make a wireless card work
[10:43] <michael> Servo888: what I do have though is the second monitor is just a copy of the other monitor.. so there are two mouse cursors.. two XChats two AMSN etc
[10:44] <Bazzi> alterim I spent two
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> alterim: what kind do you have?
[10:44] <bhna> ells: the hdparm-settings for every disks
[10:44] <Servo888> michael, With the ati driver I think there need to be a second device created. | try following this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#ATI
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> Bazzi: both of mine worked out of the box - so to speak :)
[10:44] <mtl514> alterim , the nplug it in ;)
[10:44] <eyequeue> alterim:  once you get that part, a suggestion:  test with no encryption initially, then build from there
[10:44] <Bazzi> LeeJunFan j00 hax0r.
[10:45] <ells> bhna, , okay will do
[10:45] <michael> Servo888: but i only have one video card device
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> Bazzi: yeah, but I always compile my own kernel and had to compile modules then :)
[10:45] <OpaH> is there any known way to tell the video-detection _NOT to use "S3 Inc. ViRGE/MX (rev 06)" but "vesa and FBDev" instead? Problem ist that S3 as detected also kills the 'character-mode' Terminals, and there's no sshd up at the time. Not having a root-account was not very intuitive at the time - but sudo bash helped a lot ;-)
[10:45] <tidalwav1> hi, room
[10:45] <tidalwav1> who knows anything about ndiswrapper
[10:45] <Servo888> michael, I know; but I think the day the ati driver works is it sees the one card as two.
[10:45] <Servo888> way*
[10:45] <alterim> haha tidalwavi i'm having the same problem
[10:46] <tidalwav1> alterim: what is the problem ;)
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> alterim: what kind of card do you have?
[10:46] <alterim> i can't figure out how to install it
[10:46] <michael> Servo888: okay thanks i will try that: PS (how do i restart xorg)
[10:46] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  can you help alterim get caught up to where you're at?
[10:46] <imsdle> hi guys.. i am back to square one.. I want to speed up my Ubuntu.. I'm using evertying generic
[10:46] <tidalwav1> eyeque: depends on what kind of card he has
[10:46] <pvoce> michael :cntl-alt-bksp
[10:46] <alterim> a safecom swlp-54108
[10:46] <alterim> acx111 apparently
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> alterim: sorry - no experience with that one. :(
[10:47] <randabis> if you don't need WEP, there are native linux drivers for acx111 chipsets iirc
[10:47] <tidalwav1> LeeJunFan: now help me ;)
[10:47] <supos> how do I check if a file is suid root?
[10:47] <Servo888> michael, not 100% sure in ubuntu; but you should be able to do something like /etc/init.d/xdm restart. It may be a bit different syntax. But make sure you alt,ctrl,f1 out of x first
[10:47] <pvoce> supos: ls -la
[10:47] <tidalwav1> I have a d-link dwl-122, I can connect using linux-wlan-ng, but I have to run a shell script I made to get it to work
[10:48] <tidalwav1> I want to use ndiswrapper to connect on boot
[10:48] <supos> pvoce: Ok, and how do I tell from the output?
[10:48] <geneo93> anyone know what is wrong with kppp
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: put your shell script in /etc/rc.boot :)
[10:48] <tidalwav1> LeeJunFan: I'm assuming it will have root permissions?
[10:48] <bhna> ells: you have to ad hdparm-initscript to the runlevel
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: yep.
[10:49] <pvoce> supos: ls -la the file and post the output here so were seeing the same thing
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: don't name it with .sh at the end for run-parts won't run it then.
[10:49] <dabugas> where would i post a how-to for using DVD Shrink with wine?
[10:49] <tidalwav1> LeeJun: but it can be named anything else?
[10:49] <tidalwav1> Lee: good thing you told me that, the script right now is called internet.sh :p
[10:49] <supos> pvoce:  -rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 10894 2004-06-04 12:02 /opt/kde/bin/fileshareset
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: yep, I have one in mine that changes my powernow cpu gov to ondemand.
[10:50] <WeirdAl> anyone good at wine want to help me? I can't seem to get it working.
[10:51] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to install PSP but it just stops.
[10:51] <pvoce> supos: theyre both root...one is set for owner, the next is for group
[10:51] <eyequeue> alterim:  does madwifi work with that?
[10:51] <tidalwav1> LeeJun: is it a folder?
[10:51] <supos> pvoce: I get that, it's the suid bit I don't understand
[10:51] <tidalwav1> I have no rc.boot
[10:51] <pvoce> supos: to see what I mean, do a chown (user) (filename)
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: yeah, I had a couple in with .sh ends and couldn't figure out why they didn't work :) .sh worked on mandrake run-parts.
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: just mkdir it.
[10:52] <tidalwav1> k ;)
[10:52] <dabugas> does anyone know where would i post a how-to for running DVD Shrink with wine?
[10:53] <supos> pvoce: I understand about owners and groups and permissions, but not suid
[10:53] <WeirdAl> or at least a chan/server where I can get loads of wine help?
[10:53] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  rc.boot is not a debian/ubuntu thing :)  man update-rc.d to see the ubuntu boot method
[10:53] <megabyte405> Where did the nice Ubuntu mouse cursors go when I upgraded to Hoary, and how do I get them back?
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: rcS runs run-parts /etc/rc.boot if it finds it to be there.
[10:53] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  imo btter not to bastardize your box to conform to another distro's methods
[10:54] <LeeJunFan> eyequeue: thanks - I was looking for a command line chkconfig type prog.
[10:54] <eyequeue> but it's your box of course
[10:55] <tamir> how i can do "su" with X sever ?
[10:55] <eyequeue> LeeJunFan:  no idea what chkconfig is, :) but is it like update-rc.d?
[10:55] <stazich> hey, does anyone use other desktop on ubuntu ppc?
[10:55] <eyequeue> tamir:  you probably want sudo, not su
[10:55] <tidalwav1> tamir: not sure what your question is
[10:55] <LeeJunFan> eyequeue: yeah, it's the redhat,fedora,mdk method. chkconfig mysql on turns on mysql, etc...
[10:55] <tidalwav1> eyeqeue: is he talking about gksudo?
[10:55] <eyequeue> tamir:  what would you like to accomplish?
[10:56] <eyequeue> LeeJunFan:  ah
[10:56] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  ooo, insightful, he just may be
[10:56] <tamir> i not could do "sudo"
[10:56] <tamir> tamir is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[10:56] <eyequeue> tamir:  are you not running from your first-created user account?
[10:57] <pvoce> supos: ahh ic ...suid is system user id, like sgid is system group id.  They are numbers you can find under a ps command.  Names of user and groups amy change, but not the number of the id
[10:57] <eyequeue> tamir:  only that account is in sudoers at first, and that accont could be used to add others if needed
[10:57] <WeirdAl> tamir, you have to log in as the account you created when you installed Ubuntu
[10:57] <tamir> i have just 1 users
[10:57] <tamir> one user and root
[10:58] <eyequeue> tamir:  then is "tamir" the account you created at installation?
[10:58] <tamir> yes
[10:58] <pvoce> supos: for the sake of files, they are treated much like a user, with abilities to only affect certain areas of a system
[10:58] <eyequeue> tamir:  you shouldn't have a root account
[10:58] <dabugas> warty doesn't support the depends for the gnome menu editor
[10:58] <dabugas> any other ideas?
[10:58] <dabugas> i don't mind editing files
[10:58] <WeirdAl> tamir: since you do, log in as it.
[10:58] <dabugas> as long as I knew where they were :)
[10:58] <tidalwav1> eyequeue: I could never figure out why there is no root acct...on a default ubuntu install I usually run sudo passwd :p
[10:58] <eyequeue> tamir:  but let's ask it this way:  how did you create that root account?
[10:59] <WeirdAl> I'm guessing he did it when he did have sudo and then removed sudo
[10:59] <tamir> yes, whene i write "su" i connect to "root"
[10:59] <WeirdAl> Sorry, removed himself from the sudo group.
[10:59] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  security reasons, but see https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:59] <tidalwav1> brb, seeing it LeeJunFan's idea worked. :)
[11:00] <pvoce> I much prefer sudo than to su a root acct.....that leaves a term open, plus and acct to try an use
[11:00] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  there's no sudo group though, (i think you may be thinking wheel on bsds)
[11:00] <pvoce> just the pain of getting in and out of su is enough
[11:00] <WeirdAl> Oh. His error suggested there was.
[11:00] <WeirdAl> But it says sudoers file, so it's a similar thing... he's been removed or he's removed himself
[11:01] <kbrooks> Windows: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.
[11:01] <jMHz> Hello can I ask a question?
[11:01] <kbrooks> LOL
[11:01] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  no, he'd have to have edited /etc/sudoers, and i rather suspect he didn't, based on his level of discourse about it
[11:01] <WeirdAl> This is what I'm thinking
[11:01] <eyequeue> jMHz:  you just did, so i suspect the answer is yes :)
[11:01] <mackid> kbrooks: heard it before, but yeah, funny
[11:01] <WeirdAl> So I think maybe he's had someone else do it for him.
[11:02] <jMHz> I am trying to run NVU on my new Ubuntu64 Warty but I'm getting a library error
[11:02] <super_dude2> help me what do i do to run this file
[11:02] <super_dude2> The filename "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "shell script". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:02] <super_dude2> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "shell script", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[11:03] <jMHz> error on running NVU is cannot find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 but I can find this package with apt-cache search
[11:03] <Zugot> man... no nzb fetching tools in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Zugot> i'm blown..
[11:03] <ubuntoid> super_dude2, sudo ./jre-1_5blah
[11:03] <super_dude2> ?
[11:04] <Zugot> jMHz, bryan@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:04] <Zugot> libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:05] <geneo93> crimsun:  have any ideas how i can trouble shoot kppp
[11:05] <super_dude2> no such file or directory?
[11:05] <tamir> how i can fix it :( ????
[11:05] <tamir> tamir@ubuntu:~$ sudo kynaptic
[11:05] <tamir> tamir is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:06] <usual> do fonts still go into .fonts in kde
[11:07] <jMHz> I have the lib libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in /usr/lib/ but nvu is still reporting it cannot find it do I need to make a link to the library??
[11:07] <mackid> everyone seen this?  too cool... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/checkinstall
[11:07] <Zugot> jMHz, what is nvu?
[11:07] <Fl-i-nT> hi all
[11:07] <HELPME> The filename "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "shell script". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:07] <HELPME> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "shell script", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[11:07] <alterim> where's that guy that was helping me?
[11:07] <tidalwav1> alterim: heer
[11:07] <tidalwav1> *here
[11:07] <tidalwav1> lol
[11:07] <ubuntoid> HELPME, just execute it already
[11:07] <jMHz> nvu is an HTML editor based on mozilla from nvu.com
[11:08] <HELPME> how?
[11:08] <ubuntoid> HELPME, sudo ./jre-1_5blah
[11:08] <ubuntoid> HELPME, Same as five minutes ago
[11:08] <HELPME> it dont  work
[11:08] <ubuntoid> What does it say then?
[11:08] <Zugot> HELPME, .... run "sh jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin"
[11:08] <randabis> http://img145.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img145&image=snapshot36zn.jpg
[11:08] <netmonk> can someone point me to a site with ubuntu buttons and banners, pls
[11:08] <randabis> lol
[11:08] <HELPME> says no such file or directory
[11:08] <Zugot> and you don't have to run it as root either
[11:08] <ubuntoid> Ah, perms, okay
[11:09] <jc-denton> will the new ubuntu release support gnome 2.10?
[11:09] <mackid> jc-denton: it's already in hoary
[11:09] <mackid> jc-denton: and it's quite stable, IMO
[11:09] <Zugot> jc-denton, hoary already does
[11:09] <claint> quick question: i haven't seen ubuntu change my gnome menus, for which i am kinna grateful. but is there a way to change them or are there packages which add their icons to the menus?
[11:09] <ewhitte1> it's fuuun.
[11:09] <Zugot> i run hoary on x86 and amd64
[11:09] <tamir> how i can fix it :( ????
[11:09] <Zugot> runs just find for the most part
[11:09] <tamir> tamir is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:09] <ewhitte1> Zugot:  have you had any weirdness on  your amd64 box?
[11:10] <jc-denton> humm
[11:10] <jc-denton> can i use the package if i'm running debian sarge?
[11:10] <claint> ls
[11:10] <Zugot> ewhitte1, only with vpn software...
[11:10] <calvin> so i'm having strange problem with nvidia in hoary
[11:10] <mackid> tamir, what happened to your system, you should be in the sudoers file by default, if you're the only user on the machine
[11:10] <Zugot> everything else works just fine...
[11:10] <calvin> the module loads, and i get no error messages
[11:10] <jc-denton> claint: su
[11:10] <jc-denton> ;)
[11:10] <tidalwav1> I'm still officially out of ideas about ndiswrapper
[11:10] <calvin> but i just get a blank screen, no X
[11:11] <mackid> calvin, what kernel are you using, and are you using the ubuntu package from apt, or did you install nvidia-installer from nvidia.com?
[11:11] <jMHz> if I want to check out hoary how best to back up warty ? dd ?
[11:11] <jc-denton> what kernel does it come with?
[11:11] <claint> jc-denton : sudo su ;-p
[11:11] <randabis> 2.6.10-5
[11:12] <Zugot> tidalwav1, whats your problem?
[11:12] <Zugot> maybe I can help
[11:12] <randabis> sudo -s
[11:12] <HELPME> none can help me ?
[11:12] <kkathman> is there anyone here using an IDE for PHP that could help me with a pemissions issue?
[11:12] <Zugot> HELPME, i told you how to run that java bin file...
[11:12] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  sudo ./jre1.5whatever
[11:13] <Zugot> ewhitte1, don't do a ./jre1.5whatever... do a "sh ./jre1.5whatever"
[11:13] <tidalwav1> zugot: currently I'm using a shell script using linux-wlan-ng to make my internet work
[11:13] <tidalwav1> I installed ndiswrapper
[11:13] <Zugot> the file most likely doesn't have execute privs...
[11:13] <HELPME> I dopsent work!
[11:13] <tidalwav1> it recognizes my hardware
[11:13] <tidalwav1> I ran ndiswrapper -m
[11:13] <tidalwav1> but nothing happens on boot, it doesn't connect
[11:13] <ewhitte1> yes sir, captain sir.
[11:13] <ewhitte1> :-P
[11:13] <kkathman> I installed the Zend PHP IDE, created a file, but when I go to save the file, it complains that it cant, I am assuming because of permissions
[11:13] <Zugot> tidalwav1, add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[11:14] <claint> which programs use gstreamer other than totem?
[11:14] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  what are you actually typing in?
[11:14] <ewhitte1> claint:  rhythmbox does
[11:14] <HELPME> what you say
[11:14] <claint> ewhitte1 : anything else?
[11:14] <ewhitte1> and what is the error you're getting?
[11:15] <ewhitte1> claint:  off the top of my head, no.
[11:15] <jMHz> NE HELP? with this :/opt/nvu-0.90/nvu-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:15] <jc-denton> cool
[11:15] <HELPME> no such file or directory
[11:15] <synd> I just downloded the PPC ubuntu warty.iso.. im going to burn it as a .iso with Nero but do I unzip it first or ?
[11:15] <ewhitte1> you are replacing the filename with the real filename and not just pasting our lines, right?
[11:15] <calvin> mackid, i've tried several different kernels.  currently i'm using i386.  i'm using the ubuntu nvidia package.
[11:15] <HELPME> yes i put it all in
[11:16] <ewhitte1> assuming you're in the same directory as the file, sudo sh ./jre1-5etc should work
[11:16] <basse_> synd: burn it as an .iso
[11:16] <tidalwav1> zugot, ndiswrapper -m wouldn't have done that/
[11:16] <HELPME> it dosent
[11:16] <tidalwav1> actually, it didn't
[11:16] <tidalwav1> good call
[11:16] <synd> basse: so dont unzip the original .iso files and then put those on nero and use that to burn a .iso disk?
[11:16] <tidalwav1> lemme try that and restart :p
[11:17] <ewhitte1> what do you see when you do an ls -l in that directory?
[11:18] <jMHz> basse: just file:open the iso with nero it'll make a bottable disk.
[11:18] <jMHz> basse: just file:open the iso with nero it'll make a bootable disk.
[11:18] <synd> ok nice. thanks
[11:18] <HELPME> bash : -: command not found
[11:18] <LordGrunt> hi
[11:19] <LordGrunt> i have small problem with adding or modifying users
[11:19] <basse_> synd: no, if you do that you wont be able to boot it.
[11:19] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  I have no idea what you typed.
[11:19] <HELPME> -l
[11:19] <LordGrunt> when im changing password for other than me users, it works for some short time then it gets reseted to root's password
[11:19] <ewhitte1> ls -l
[11:19] <ewhitte1> not just -l
[11:20] <HELPME> oh
[11:20] <basse_> jMHz: I'm not the one who needs help, synd is :)
[11:20] <HELPME> total 33712
[11:20] <HELPME> drwxr-xr-x    6 lukes    lukes        4096 2005-03-27 09:30 Desktop
[11:20] <HELPME> drwxr-xr-x    2 lukes    lukes        4096 2005-03-27 09:42 Java
[11:20] <HELPME> -rw-r--r--    1 lukes    lukes    16542512 2005-03-26 19:36 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[11:20] <HELPME> -rw-r--r--    1 lukes    lukes    16542512 2005-03-26 19:36 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586 (copy).shell
[11:20] <HELPME> -rw-r--r--    1 lukes    lukes     1376256 2005-03-26 16:37 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[11:20] <HELPME> drwxr-xr-x    2 lukes    lukes        4096 2005-03-26 19:38 My Downloads
[11:20] <ewhitte1> gahh
[11:20] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  that's what pastebin is forl
[11:21] <HELPME> ?
[11:21] <synd> basse: thanks.. ive already tried burning it both ways on OSX, but then found out that the disk utility on OSX doesnt support .iso burning. dont wanna waste anymore disks lol
[11:21] <LordGrunt> i would be glad to recieve assistance with my problem, anybody?
[11:21] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  www.pastebin.com
[11:21] <airox> Anyone ever got a logitech quickcam working with gnome-meeting ?
[11:22] <HELPME> lets see i installed this yesterday how was i supossed to know
[11:22] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: how are you setting them?
[11:22] <mackid> test
[11:22] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  you're not expected to, but flooding still isn't nice. :)
[11:22] <mackid> yeah, flooding.. eck
[11:22] <airox> I can get images from it with xawtv, but gnome-meeting is saying permission denied :(
[11:22] <HELPME> sorry
[11:22] <geneo93> e wittle if you what to be a bitch try going to a different channel
[11:22] <airox> yeah.
[11:22] <HELPME> but sill is that what it shold have said
[11:23] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: with different ways, kde user manager, lilo-config tool (there i forced one user to not use password at all, it got reseted anyway), adduser
[11:23] <ewhitte1> one might say the same if you want to use profanity, hmm?
[11:23] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  that's good, what I was looking for.
[11:23] <HELPME> great now what
[11:24] <geneo93> everyone knows everything but knowone really knows
[11:24] <airox> nice quote geneo93 ;)
[11:24] <tamir> why i cannot find SIm packge in Kubuntu ?
[11:24] <ewhitte1> you two need some alone time?
[11:25] <tamir> why i cannot find SIm packge in Kubuntu ?
[11:25] <ewhitte1> HELPME;  try pasting this:  sudo sh ./jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[11:25] <geneo93> ok i'll fix that
[11:25] <airox> damn
[11:25] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: and it's just happening? no reboot required?
[11:26] <HELPME> YAY!
[11:26] <HELPME> ty so much
[11:26] <geneo93> Ingredients for Potato soup
[11:26] <calvin> ok, so same problem with nvidia unfortunatelyu
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	c.	Potatoes, diced
[11:26] <geneo93> 1 1/3	Tbsp.	Minced onions
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	Tsp.	Salt
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	Tbsp.	Butter
[11:26] <geneo93> 2/3	Tbsp.	Flour
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	c.	Hot milk
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	c.	Hot water
[11:26] <geneo93> Preparation :
[11:26] <geneo93> Brown onion in butter. Add flour, blend well. Add potatoes, salt, water and a dash of pepper. Cook until potatoes are tender, add milk and heat through.
[11:26] <geneo93> Feel free to print out this recipe, link to it, or write it down for your personal, non-commercial use. Recipes may not be distributed in any way without prior written consent.
[11:26] <airox> tamir, You checked apt-cache search SIm ?
[11:26] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  np
[11:27] <geneo93> opps wrong box
[11:27] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: not sure, but reboot rather doesnt play role here. iirc once i was observing it, it just happened over time
[11:27] <tamir> yes, no result
[11:27] <dabugas> does anyone know in which file(s) i can find the launchers in the applications gnome menu?
[11:27] <calvin> shoot, i can't remember who was helping me with my nvidia problem...
[11:27] <airox> tamir, It could be that there isn't a package for it.
[11:27] <HELPME> you should get a some award :D
[11:27] <ewhitte1> dabugas:  look in /usr/share/applications
[11:27] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  did you know about www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:28] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: have you done anything in cron? perhaps 'egrep -R passwd /etc/cron*' and see where anything to do with passwd turns up?
[11:28] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  it has a lot of useful info for people starting out there too
[11:28] <geneo93> calvin:  where do you stand atm
[11:28] <calvin> so, same result but i noticed something new
[11:28] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: to explain it fully: main user+root have same pwd, then new user (wife's account) has the same group as main user (me)
[11:28] <HELPME> iv benn there got a bit lost
[11:28] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  no worries.  just making sure you knew about it too.  good luck
[11:29] <calvin> geneo93, "Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"
[11:29] <airox> dabugas, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21048 (could be usefull)
[11:29] <geneo93> calvin:  is this the newest nvidia driver
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: man - I'm at a loss as to what (other than a cron) could be doing that.
[11:30] <dabugas> airox: this is for hoary & i'm on warty :( thanks, tho
[11:30] <dabugas> ewhitte1: there are links which are there but not appearing in my gnome menu
[11:30] <HELPME> oh and it just happend to be i was installing jvm so i couldnt run the client on the web site lukyly this came with ubuntu
[11:30] <samps> ok
[11:30] <airox> dabugas, use this then in a console: nautilus applications:///
[11:31] <osity> hey what the commnad to start the ssh server?
[11:31] <dabugas> airox: i've discovered that nautilus is fairly broken in this regard
[11:31] <samps> i have a problem with alsa...it installed some card that's never been in my machine as card0 and then my real card as card1
[11:31] <airox> osity, Did you start it ?
[11:31] <samps> is there a way to remove this non-existing card?
[11:31] <airox> osity, err... installed it :)
[11:31] <dabugas> airox: apps i add don't show up and apps i edit disappear :(
[11:31] <loaofwar3> hi i am having a problem with apt-get update:
[11:31] <loaofwar3> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:31] <loaofwar3>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[11:31] <loaofwar3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:32] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: http://www.pastebin.com/263123
[11:32] <osity> uh...  not yet...whats the command to install it?  ap-get install ssh?
[11:32] <loaofwar3> sorry i mean apt-get upgrade
[11:32] <loaofwar3> i get this error
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:32] <loaofwar3> (Reading database ... 62592 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Preparing to replace ia32-libs 0.5ubuntu2 (using .../ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb) ...
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Unpacking replacement ia32-libs ...
[11:32] <loaofwar3> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:32] <loaofwar3>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:32] <geppy> I just reformatted and installed Hoary, but I'd like to recover my .gaim dir from my old ext3 filesystem.  What do I need to do?
[11:32] <loaofwar3>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[11:32] <loaofwar3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:32] <mackid> ack!! flood!
[11:32] <airox> osity, apt-get install openssh-server
[11:32] <loaofwar3> sorry
[11:32] <whitti> I was wondering whether anyone has any tips as to getting the Sound Blaster Live (emu10k1) working under ubuntu?
[11:32] <calvin> geneo93, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[11:32] <mackid> use #flood or pastebin, PLEASE
[11:33] <loaofwar3> sorry
[11:33] <loaofwar3> can anyone help?
[11:33] <calvin> so, i think that's the right package
[11:33] <calvin> should i just try installing from source?
[11:33] <airox> geppy, reformatted the drive ?
[11:33] <geppy> Will I be able to use fsgrab and friends to recover data from a reformatted drive?
[11:33] <geppy> airox: Yes.
[11:33] <airox> dear lord.
[11:34] <geppy> airox: ah, yeah
[11:34] <samps> i have a problem with alsa...it installed some card that's never been in my machine as card0 and then my real card as card1....how can i remove card0 from alsa?
[11:34] <loaofwar3> does anyone know how to install a .deb package?
[11:34] <airox> geppy, next time think before you do something ;)
[11:34] <calvin> any thoughts on the error i'm getting "Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"
[11:34] <geppy> airox: haha =)
[11:34] <osity> airox:   is says permission denied.....I dont remember the system asking me for a root password...
[11:34] <airox> loaofwar3, dpkg -i package.deb
[11:34] <Fl-i-nT> i have bad problems :(
[11:34] <mackid> loaofwar3: dpkg -i package.deb
[11:34] <mackid> airox lol
[11:34] <loaofwar3> lol ok
[11:34] <airox> loaofwar3, But you should use apt-get if possible.
[11:34] <geneo93> ok do you have nvidia glx and nividia-kernel-common installed
[11:34] <airox> mackid, damn you! :P
[11:34] <eyequeue> loaofwar3:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:34] <geppy> airox:  I spent the last couple of months making backups, and it seems that my .gaim dir backup is rather old, and I'm wondering if I could grep through the harddrive to find it
[11:35] <loaofwar3> i want to install cedega
[11:35] <mackid> :P
[11:35] <loaofwar3> so its not free
[11:35] <osity> i do remember it telling me it was going to add a user..
[11:35] <loaofwar3> i cant do aptget
[11:35] <geppy> loaofwar3: Go buy it, transgaming.com
[11:35] <loaofwar3> ok
[11:35] <blueyed> Hi. I'm running from the live CD (Hoary), waiting for my new AMD64 box to arrive.. It's awesome great! Thank you all.. :)
[11:35] <loaofwar3> they give u a .deb file right?
[11:35] <samps> i'm going to destroy alsa.
[11:35] <samps> this makes *no* sense
[11:35] <Covener> If I'm comfortable using debian sid and looking to dabble in ubuntu, should I grab the preview and just keep it up to date?
[11:35] <loaofwar3> transgaming gives you a .deb file right?
[11:35] <mackid> loaofwar3: not likely.
[11:35] <WeirdAl> someone remind me how to unzip a tar.gz from command line?
[11:36] <samps> tar zxvf
[11:36] <Covener> The hoary preview, that is
[11:36] <geppy> WeirdAl: tar -xvjf
[11:36] <WeirdAl> thx geppy
[11:36] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  gunzip
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: that's the same I have. Just makes backups. hrm :-/
[11:36] <kobo> hello I need help! I've got nforce2 audio card. It works fine n' all but every time I reboot the volume settings are reset to the defaults which is really quiet... how can I fix this? I'm on hoary
[11:36] <osity> does it put a root password on for you by default?
[11:36] <samps> nobody here familiar with alsa and where it stores its config and all that?
[11:36] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: always best to refer to man tar
[11:36] <samps> kobo: alsactrl
[11:36] <eyequeue> osity:  no, ubuntu doesn't use a root account
[11:36] <blueyed> I've experienced a problem with Rhythmbox.. when I want to listen to a stream it says "Es gibt kein Element, das den MIME-Typ audio/mpeg dieses Datenstroms verarbeiten kann." - translated: there's no element that can handle the stream of type audio/mpeg.
[11:37] <WeirdAl> man tar scares me
[11:37] <blueyed> Is this a known "bug"?
[11:37] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: why?
[11:37] <blueyed> xmms works.
[11:37] <eyequeue> osity:   https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: not as well as amarok :)
[11:37] <WeirdAl> 'cause it's full of options and -x isn't one of them anyway, even though I know I want -x at least.
[11:37] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: this is wicked, i added (in this session, ill see after reboot) new user several hours ago, can still login to it. now i cant login to wife's account even with root pwd
[11:37] <osity> thanks eye
[11:37] <blueyed> LeeJunFan, yes, but I'm on gnome for now..
[11:38] <apokryphos> blueyed: you can run amaroK on gnome
[11:38] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:         -x, --extract, --get
[11:38] <eyequeue>               extract files from an archive
[11:38] <saik0> After updating hoary something messed up my DNS. I can ping my router and get an IP from the DHCP but I cant do anything else
[11:38] <geneo93> calvin:  you need nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[11:38] <WeirdAl> Hm ... what was I looking at last time?
[11:38] <kobo> samps: could u be more specific? :] 
[11:38] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  your man page is defective, file a bug
[11:38] <blueyed> this is the stream that fails on rhythmbox.. http://81.169.137.55:8020/
[11:38] <loaofwar3> can i just double click the .deb file in gnome to insatll it?
[11:38] <WeirdAl> Oh yeah, it's man gzip that confuses me. Sorry :-)
[11:38] <eyequeue> loaofwar3:  of course not
[11:38] <blueyed> apokryphos, just install and run? I'll try.
[11:38] <samps> alsactl store card#
[11:38] <eyequeue> loaofwar3:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:38] <apokryphos> blueyed: sure. Just like all K apps.
[11:38] <samps> will store the settings on the card
[11:39] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: I'll have to try here. I hope it's not some bug - I plan on using ubuntu on a bunch of servers soon after it's relased :)
[11:39] <loaofwar3> ok ok
[11:39] <samps> type alsactl power to see how many cards you have
[11:39] <blueyed> apokryphos, I thought they were limited to KDE.
[11:39] <apokryphos> blueyed: it's in the repositories. Be sure to get the other amarok engines there; you probably won't wanna use aRts.
[11:39] <apokryphos> blueyed: of course not. :)
[11:39] <[nrx_] > hi. I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working with my wlan card.. however, dmesg seems to be providing me with this error message "ERROR 2 trying to open firmware image file '/lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN-2.6.8.1-3-386': file not found - make sure this EXACT filename is in eXaCtLy this directory!
[11:39] <[nrx_] > "
[11:39] <kobo> ok ic it shows one
[11:39] <[nrx_] > can anyone suggest anything to help with it?
[11:39] <apokryphos> blueyed: same as gnome/gtk apps, but vice versa.
[11:39] <samps> then alsactl store 0
[11:40] <samps> it'll save all alsa settings on card 0
[11:40] <kobo> k thx I got it
[11:40] <blueyed> can anyone confirm that Rythmbox fails on this stream?
[11:40] <[nrx_] > no suggestions?
[11:41] <osity> airox: can i ssh in if i dont have a root account?
[11:41] <samps> i have a problem with alsa...it installed some card that's never been in my machine as card0 and then my real card as card1....how can i remove card0 from alsa?
[11:41] <eyequeue> osity:  don't do things as root, especially not ssh
[11:41] <osity> ok
[11:41] <airox> osity, Yes, you should even consider setting PermitRootLogin to No. But I guess ubuntu doesn't allow root logins because of the sudo behaviour.
[11:42] <osity> i cant seem to ssh in as a user...
[11:42] <osity> i installed the ssh server
[11:42] <osity> do i have to start it?
[11:42] <eyequeue> osity:  have you installed openssh-server?
[11:42] <airox> osity, check the log.
[11:42] <osity> or is is auto
[11:42] <samps> agggh
[11:42] <airox> osity, /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[11:42] <osity> ah ....
[11:42] <osity> gracias muchacho!
[11:43] <airox> osity, Could be you have to add yourself to AllowUsers. But I guess it isn't necessarry on ubuntu.
[11:43] <saik0> bah, even windows connects to the internet properly....what the hell happened ubuntu
[11:43] <blueyed> What would be needed to make Rhythmbox play this stream (http://81.169.137.55:8020/)? I think it should get fixed for the release..
[11:43] <saik0> it stopped resolving DNS altogether
[11:44] <eyequeue> saik0:  i seem to think i'm connected to the internet here
[11:44] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to eject a data cd? It will only let me do so during the boot sequence.
[11:44] <eyequeue> saik0:  can you ping by ip number?
[11:44] <Bloody|RLC> http://img155.exs.cx/img155/6587/misseurope20052ct.jpg
[11:44] <saik0> eyequeue, I sure can, I've pinged my router
[11:44] <samps> saik0: check /etc/resolv.conf
[11:44] <samps> and ping your name servers
[11:44] <Bloody|RLC> russia very good
[11:44] <osity> airox ...it says Temporary failure in name resolution
[11:44] <[nrx_] > need help with ndiswrapper ;/;
[11:45] <[nrx_] > or
[11:45] <eyequeue> saik0:  dhcp involved?
[11:45] <[nrx_] > how do i get the device manager working?
[11:45] <airox> osity, The log fiel ?
[11:45] <airox> file ...
[11:45] <osity> which log file to i look at?
[11:45] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to eject a data cd? It will only let me
[11:45] <andreas_>                   do so during the boot sequence.
[11:45] <saik0> eyequeue. correct
[11:45] <eyequeue> saik0:  system > administration > networking
[11:45] <andreas_> Probably a little thing I missed
[11:46] <blueyed> Another issue I had (with no active linux experience): setting up my DSL connection (without router). Will this get handled by the final Hoary?
[11:46] <airox> osity, afaik /var/log/auth.log ...
[11:46] <eyequeue> saik0:  look under dns
[11:46] <airox> blueyed, usb or ethernet modem ?
[11:46] <eyequeue> saik0:  then try pinging each server there by ip address
[11:46] <blueyed> ethernet, airox
[11:46] <blueyed> ppoeconf did it..
[11:46] <saik0> eyequeue, the only IP there is the router IP
[11:47] <airox> blueyed, afaik an ethernet modem is 2 seconds of work :)
[11:47] <blueyed> but I had to boot Windows to google for it.
[11:47] <eyequeue> blueyed:  is that via dhcp?
[11:47] <shnastybiznastic> so can the default warty install mount ntfs filesystems read only?
[11:47] <blueyed> eyequeue, , no.
[11:47] <bi3zt> what r the files bash_profile and bashrc ?
[11:47] <airox> shnastybiznastic, afaik yes.
[11:47] <eyequeue> saik0:  okay, there's the problem, the router is not telling you your isp's dns servers
[11:47] <airox> bi3zt, They are used by bash (a shell).
[11:48] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  read the first few lines of each, should describe
[11:48] <shnastybiznastic> airox, cool, just mount -t ntfs /dev/filesystems
[11:48] <eyequeue> blueyed:  odd.  how do you connect?
[11:48] <airox> shnastybiznastic, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaX /media/ntfs ;)
[11:48] <eyequeue> blueyed:  pppoe?
[11:48] <saik0> eyequeue, well tats not good at all, how do I fix this
[11:48] <airox> shnastybiznastic, /media/ dir is special in ubuntu
[11:49] <blueyed> eyequeue, yes, pppoe. I had to start pppoeconf that did it.
[11:49] <eyequeue> saik0:  first off, i'd check into what is wrong with the router, but may i /msg you?
[11:49] <eyequeue> blueyed:  okay, cool
[11:49] <airox> Guys, I'm not very clear this moment. Which programs do you all use which aren't in the default ubuntu hoary install and are very common to use ??
[11:49] <shnastybiznastic> airox, alright, this default install didn't let her set a root password, how do we do that?
[11:49] <airox> I need to make a nice complete system.
[11:49] <airox> Need suggestions :)
[11:49] <saik0> eyequeue, yep /msg away
[11:49] <blueyed> but it should make it easier (I had to google for it), eyequeue
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, First read about the sudo behaviour of ubuntu.
[11:50] <shnastybiznastic> airox, alright, where?
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, You don't have to set one in order to do things as root.
[11:50] <WeirdAl> OK, I can't seem to get my printer to work ...
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, well google will know :)
[11:50] <shnastybiznastic> airox, not to troll, but that sounds dangerous...
[11:50] <WeirdAl> It's HP
[11:50] <WeirdAl> USB, deskjet 960c
[11:50] <shnastybiznastic> alright, google away
[11:50] <WeirdAl> The wiki says that the 930c is supported...
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, hehe, you have to use sudo and enter YOUR password.
[11:51] <blueyed> and what I also noticed was that the live CD sets up some default password that I could not guess (and made me need to restart) (using the live CD).
[11:51] <WeirdAl> And there's no instructions.
[11:51] <WeirdAl> But I can't print on my 960c
[11:51] <WeirdAl> :-(
[11:51] <airox> shnastybiznastic, You can always disable all those behaviours.
[11:51] <loaofwar3> hi does anyone know how to install the 32 bit emulation packages so that i can get cedega to work?
[11:52] <shnastybiznastic> airox, I figured I couyld disable them, but I might as well learn...
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Wait ... ignore me...
[11:52] <airox> shnastybiznastic, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Sorry :-(
[11:52] <airox> That would be a good read.
[11:53] <airox> Anybody has some suggestions about nice programs for ubuntu ?
[11:53] <airox> I need to make ubuntu a replacement for windows
[11:53] <eyequeue> ls :)
[11:53] <WeirdAl> airox: I'm doing the same
[11:53] <airox> hehe :)
[11:53] <WeirdAl> I suggest xmms, which is almost identical to winamp
[11:53] <airox> Yeah, already got it.
[11:53] <shnastybiznastic> airox, what do you need it to do?
[11:53] <airox> Just name some programs.
[11:53] <WeirdAl> And xine, which is like ... nothing really. It's a media player.
[11:54] <airox> WeirdAl, Is it nicer then mplayer ?
[11:54] <osity> so if you dont get root ....what do i type in at the GUI when it asks for a pass?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> That's up to you to decide.
[11:54] <WeirdAl> However, it does install things for DivX, MPEG etc when you install it.
[11:54] <bi3zt> hmmm so that bash thing is a shell ?
[11:54] <airox> osity, your password.
[11:54] <airox> bi3zt, yep.
[11:54] <jason__> I installed NVU mozilla HTML editor but it says error when opening shared libraries libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 which I have. Why can't NVU find it?
[11:54] <airox> bi3zt, like sh, tcsh ksh and many others.
[11:54] <loaofwar3> hi does anyone know how to install the 32 bit emulation packages so that i can get cedega to work?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> Yes, the borne again shell
[11:54] <WeirdAl> b a sh
[11:55] <[nrx] > bourne
[11:55] <shnastybiznastic> airox, I do this on uni machines, it really depends on what you want, a good list is at http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[11:55] <WeirdAl> oh yeha
[11:55] <[nrx] > :)
[11:55] <WeirdAl> I went back and re-spelled it cos I got it wrong once already :-p
[11:55] <bi3zt> is it on every linux and why can i only see it when connecting with gftp ?
[11:55] <WeirdAl> bi3zt, right-click the desktop and open a terminal.
[11:55] <WeirdAl> Voila, bash.
[11:55] <galactus> ol, algum que fale portugus?
[11:56] <loaofwar3> can any1 plz help?
[11:56] <loaofwar3> does anyone know how to install the 32 bit emulation packages so that i can get cedega to work?
[11:56] <galactus> ol, algum que fale portugus?
[11:56] <osity> falo eu
[11:56] <galactus> oi
[11:56] <galactus> to preciando de ajuda
[11:56] <osity> so when I restart the server will ssh still be running?
[11:56] <galactus> tenho uma ABIT NF7-S@
[11:57] <galactus> NF7-S2
[11:57] <airox> osity, When you are logged in yes.
[11:57] <osity> infelizement so tehno estr OS a 2 horas.....
[11:57] <galactus> o ubnutu no reconhece a placa de som onboard
[11:57] <[nrx] > osity, if it's in /etc/init.d/ yes
[11:57] <dabugas> has anyone experimented with updating from warty to hoary simply by adding the new sources and updating on an need basis (for example, when you install the new abiword you get the new gtk libs or whatever)
[11:57] <bi3zt> does anybody here know vsftpd ?
[11:57] <galactus> legal
[11:57] <airox> osity, After login ssh creates another process owned by the user who logged in. (because of security reasons) Thereby you can just restart it.
[11:58] <galactus> que sorte a minha :)
[11:58] <galactus> e ai o q ta achando?
[11:58] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  bash is he default shell for most every distro, but is not mandatory, one could install zsh and remove bash, perhaps
[11:58] <[nrx] > or ash
[11:58] <[nrx] > or sh
[11:58] <[nrx] > :
[11:58] <[nrx] > :D
[11:58] <[nrx] > or.. null
[11:58] <[nrx] > !
[11:59] <xuesheng> hi there
[11:59] <WeirdAl> nrx ... stfu :-)
[11:59] <bi3zt> how do i restart vsftpd ? i forgot it something with vsftpd restart ?
[11:59] <WeirdAl> lo
[11:59] <[nrx] > ;p
[11:59] <[nrx] > bi3zt /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[11:59] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  sudo /etc/init.d/...
[11:59] <WeirdAl> Does anyone know what command I can use from bash to set a torrent going without using the GUI?
[11:59] <WeirdAl> I RTFM'd but it's useless
[11:59] <xuesheng> WeirdAl: btdownloadcureses
[12:00] <xuesheng> WeirdAl: btdownloadcurses