| trulux|working | hehe | 12:00 |
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| === trulux|working working on targeted policy | ||
| === zyga spending my time in the idle loop | ||
| zyga | :] | 12:01 |
| trulux|working | zyga: that's good for watching porn :P | 12:04 |
| zyga | trulux|working: idle loop sounds better in log files ;] | 12:06 |
| zyga | trulux|working: actually I'm learning python | 12:06 |
| zyga | trulux|working: I'm a hard C fan and python is what I do on holidays | 12:06 |
| adobbie | C can be a pain in the ass sometimes | 12:07 |
| zyga | adobbie: and all the 'nice' features can be an equal pain if sometimes you need to circumvent them | 12:08 |
| ogra | hmm, wondering what Kamion will say if thes gets sucked in by the big apt-get.org inclusion http://kitenet.net/~joey/debian/unstable/ | 12:08 |
| ogra | s/thes/this | 12:09 |
| ogra | lots of installer stuff... | 12:10 |
| herve | it's Joey Hess' personal repository | 12:10 |
| ogra | yop | 12:10 |
| ogra | on apt-get.org | 12:10 |
| herve | I know :-) | 12:10 |
| adobbie | zyga: if some language is restricting me then I might use C code for the trouble spot | 12:10 |
| adobbie | otherwise I get things done faster with higher level stuff | 12:11 |
| adobbie | ironically I've been doing assembly only for the past 3 months :) | 12:11 |
| zyga | adobbie: I fully agree ;] | 12:12 |
| zyga | adobbie: then it's the moment you realize that anything but C seems tho be restricting you ;] | 12:12 |
| trulux|working | zyga: just kidding on porn, anyways, I don't care if it gets logged, we all know I'm a suspect of doing perverse actions | 12:13 |
| === trulux|working grins like a pyscho | ||
| trulux|working | psycho | 12:13 |
| adobbie | I find doing sockets in C more painful than Java | 12:13 |
| trulux|working | :) | 12:13 |
| trulux|working | adobbie: really? | 12:13 |
| herve | no kidding :-) | 12:13 |
| zyga | adobbie: java is way too verbose and now that I had to learn java bytecode way more ugly ;] | 12:14 |
| zyga | adobbie: (not that I mentioned sockets) | 12:14 |
| zyga | adobbie: I C anything is equally pain in the ass as long as you are reinventing the wheel - try to write regular expression pattern matcher i perl from scratch ;-) | 12:15 |
| adobbie | if you are making something complicated it's often faster to work at more abstract level | 12:15 |
| zyga | adobbie: true, but that doesn't have to be another language | 12:16 |
| adobbie | but I hate UML and CASE :) | 12:16 |
| zyga | adobbie: and besides if you are doing some real world non-oss work most stuff (with java as a notable exception) can be ignored cause 'we have to keep the source code to ourselvs' approach is still there :P | 12:18 |
| zyga | and that sucks alot | 12:18 |
| adobbie | if you tow RMS' line on working on software you'll never work on such stuff :) | 12:18 |
| adobbie | better to be unemployed than write non-free software | 12:19 |
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| zyga | adobbie: fortunatly I've just downloaded MS FreeWill ver 1.0 | 12:20 |
| zyga | hehe | 12:20 |
| zyga | Once you agree to an EULA you can do WhateverYouWhish (tm) | 12:20 |
| adobbie | hahah | 12:21 |
| adobbie | I've got loads of non-free "evil" software on my system that I like | 12:21 |
| adobbie | Adobe Acrobat 7, Matlab, and Java, to name a few | 12:22 |
| === dholbach can't stop asking himself how much of this is #u-d related... | ||
| zyga | I've got ati's crappy drivers and valid-in-eu mp3 support | 12:22 |
| adobbie | not to mention codecs... | 12:22 |
| zyga | oh and win32-codecs and libcss ;] | 12:22 |
| ogra | yeah, looks _very_ offtopic here | 12:22 |
| adobbie | codecs which you need for a desktop which are difficult to distribute | 12:22 |
| zyga | adobbie: codecs really suck... | 12:23 |
| adobbie | which comes back to Ubuntu, is it easy to add non-free codecs to Ubuntu? | 12:23 |
| adobbie | for newbie users I mean | 12:23 |
| dholbach | there's a wiki page | 12:23 |
| zyga | adobbie: what will we do in 10 years if microsoft will be still 32bit? | 12:23 |
| adobbie | zyga: Windows XP 64bit is in a semi-usable state now | 12:24 |
| mdke | is anyone running an ubuntu system willing to do me a quick favour? | 12:24 |
| ogra | and this belongs to #ubuntu, please keep it there | 12:24 |
| dholbach | mdke: fire away | 12:24 |
| mdke | hi daniel | 12:24 |
| mdke | thanks | 12:24 |
| ogra | mdke, go on | 12:24 |
| mdke | i'll go to PM | 12:24 |
| zyga | adobbie: oh that's different from 32bit version how ;-) ? | 12:24 |
| ogra | zyga, is this development related anyhow ? | 12:24 |
| zyga | ogra: right -> #ubuntu | 12:24 |
| dholbach | zyga: thanks | 12:25 |
| ogra | thanks | 12:25 |
| ogra | (you culd also open #ubuntu-philosophical *g*) | 12:25 |
| herve | #ubuntu-bar :-) | 12:25 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:26 |
| adobbie | ogra: how about #ubuntu-legal? ;) | 12:26 |
| schweeb | #not-ubuntu-devel | 12:26 |
| mdke | lol | 12:26 |
| ogra | adobbie, open it :) | 12:27 |
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| zyga | @ubuntu-devel-coffebreak | 12:27 |
| zyga | s/@/#/ | 12:27 |
| ogra | adobbie, and get some lawyers involved....we could really need them | 12:27 |
| adobbie | ogra: I don't need another channel simply to have a place to disagree with people, I've too many of those already | 12:27 |
| mdke | i like the idea of ubuntu-legal | 12:28 |
| ogra | adobbie, but disagreement is the profession of lawyers, isnt it ? | 12:28 |
| adobbie | mdke: debian-devel list makes me shake my head in disgust enough as it is | 12:28 |
| herve | adobbie, s/devel/legal ? | 12:28 |
| adobbie | errr | 12:28 |
| adobbie | legal | 12:28 |
| adobbie | herve: guess I'm done for today :) | 12:29 |
| mdke | does ubuntu have a legal team? | 12:38 |
| mdke | perhaps not | 12:38 |
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| trulux|working | hey tritium | 12:53 |
| trulux|working | ajmitch: there? | 12:53 |
| tritium | hi trulux|working | 12:53 |
| trulux|working | Standards-Version: 3.5.2 <- isn't it a bit outdated? | 01:00 |
| herve | quite yes | 01:01 |
| adobbie | "Write error: Success opening remote file" | 01:03 |
| ogra | yeah, success is always great | 01:03 |
| adobbie | indeed | 01:03 |
| adobbie | I thought it was rather simple to check if you have errno 0 before you did anything like perror() | 01:04 |
| mdke | dholbach, ping | 01:04 |
| dholbach | mdke: pong | 01:04 |
| mdke | brilliant | 01:04 |
| dholbach | mdke: are you testing reply times or what? ;-) | 01:04 |
| mdke | you wouldn't let me know the version of libatm1 in hoary? i'm trying to get a user to download the right ones manually | 01:04 |
| mdke | dholbach, yeah that too, keep by your computer at all times | 01:05 |
| dholbach | mdke: Version: 2.4.1-16 | 01:05 |
| mdke | genius thanks | 01:05 |
| dholbach | de rien | 01:05 |
| mdke | dholbach, ping *looks at watch* | 01:10 |
| mdke | also speedtouch? | 01:10 |
| mdke | sorrrrrry | 01:10 |
| dholbach | mdke: pong | 01:10 |
| dholbach | mdke: whatsup? | 01:10 |
| dholbach | mdke: 1.3.1-1 | 01:11 |
| mdke | wicked thanks | 01:11 |
| mdke | sorry to disturb, that's the last time | 01:11 |
| dholbach | mdke: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/net/speedtouch | 01:12 |
| dholbach | ;-) | 01:12 |
| mdke | omg | 01:12 |
| mdke | youre a genius | 01:12 |
| dholbach | mdke: hey, it's 1) not my page, 2) not the package i packaged 3) not the software i wrote :-) | 01:13 |
| trulux|working | dholbach: I haven't got such message even doing the SELinux I've been doing the past two days, so, just take it and don't say it's not yours ;D | 01:13 |
| mdke | lol | 01:14 |
| mdke | genius to have given me that url | 01:14 |
| trulux|working | herve: what standards version should I use? | 01:14 |
| dholbach | trulux|working: hrm? | 01:14 |
| dholbach | trulux|working: dpkg -l debian-policy | 01:14 |
| herve | trulux|working, 3.6.1 is the standard | 01:14 |
| herve | but make sure the package conforms to it :-D | 01:14 |
| adobbie | 3.6.1.1 is what Debian sarge has | 01:16 |
| dholbach | adobbie: the last .1 is just for spelling mistakes and isn't checked | 01:16 |
| adobbie | I burned myself with boiling water again and it really hurts this time | 01:22 |
| herve | you're supposed to pour it in a glass or a mug, not your skin :-) | 01:23 |
| adobbie | this time it was a mispour | 01:24 |
| adobbie | two weeks ago I put my finger right into it | 01:24 |
| adobbie | broke my teapot | 01:24 |
| adobbie | that's going to reduce my productivity | 01:24 |
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| dholbach | good night | 03:02 |
| mdke | night :) | 03:02 |
| mdke | thanks again | 03:02 |
| dholbach | it was my pleasure :-) | 03:03 |
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| blueyed | Hi. Does anybody know the password of the Live CD "ubuntu" user? I had to reboot, because I've tried "Lock screen" without changing the password at first. | 03:52 |
| blueyed | I think it should default to "ubuntu". | 03:52 |
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| ogra | blueyed, there is no password, it is a known bug we still have to solve... | 03:58 |
| blueyed | ah ogra, the bug then is that it says "entering password" canceled when you try it with an empty one. | 03:58 |
| ogra | (likely by removing the lock unctionallity) | 03:59 |
| blueyed | I'm glad you know about it already. I'm fascinated by your work! Thank you. | 03:59 |
| ogra | :) youre welcome | 03:59 |
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| mdke | 4 am... | 04:00 |
| mdke | ;) | 04:00 |
| ogra | yeah, time for bed :) | 04:00 |
| mdke | heh | 04:01 |
| mdke | i can't sleep when south park is on tv | 04:01 |
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| ogra | mdke, battlestar galactica here, but i wont survive it... | 04:01 |
| mdke | lol | 04:01 |
| mdke | only 3 am here i have that advantage | 04:02 |
| tseng | ogra: mmm, battlestar | 04:02 |
| ogra | tseng, yeah, a movie of my childhood | 04:02 |
| tseng | ogra: new or old? | 04:02 |
| ogra | old | 04:02 |
| tseng | ah. | 04:02 |
| tseng | if you didnt watch the new series, its very good | 04:03 |
| ogra | i didtnt even know there is a new one | 04:03 |
| tseng | yep. it was on skyone in england and now in the us on scifi channel | 04:03 |
| ogra | ah, so germany will get it probably next year | 04:04 |
| tseng | it was actually filmed in canada for scifi, not sure how it made it to the uk | 04:04 |
| ogra | but anyways, i'm off to bed, GF is waiting... | 04:05 |
| tseng | rock! | 04:05 |
| tseng | have a good one. | 04:06 |
| mdke | at 4 am? | 04:06 |
| mdke | she's asleep... | 04:06 |
| ogra | she went to bed 10mins ago | 04:06 |
| mdke | whoa | 04:06 |
| mdke | is she a linux developer too? | 04:06 |
| ogra | nah, just a little crazy webdesigner | 04:06 |
| ogra | night all :) | 04:06 |
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| Mitario | hi everyone | 05:48 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:21 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: thanks for the patch but that will be for breezy | 06:22 |
| fabbione | no more patch for hoary | 06:22 |
| fabbione | ECHAN | 06:22 |
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| zenwhen | grabbed todays daily and updated | 08:01 |
| zenwhen | everything looks good here | 08:01 |
| zenwhen | wait, I lied | 08:04 |
| zenwhen | I tried to add a panel item and all of my panel items on all panels were deleted | 08:04 |
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| Burgundavia | jdub: ping | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: never mind | 09:07 |
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| dholbach | gooood morning | 10:10 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 10:59 |
| dholbach | greetings to south africa *wave* | 11:00 |
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| froud | Mitario: ping | 11:05 |
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| kagou | hi | 11:55 |
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| jessica_ | My girlfriends computer is plagued by an instable Ubuntu. It looks like I'm having kernel Oopses (hoary, 2.6.10-5-386). On mailinglist I heard i needed to give output of dmesg, but the system doesn't respond after crashing. Does anyone have a minute? What info should I give? I do have a kernel.log.0 which seems to be the one of crashtime... | 12:11 |
| crimsun | jessica_: please ask in #ubuntu, thanks. :) | 12:13 |
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| jessica_ | well, this looks like a bug... but I'll try | 12:17 |
| Lathiat | jessica_: #ubuntu is still the right place :) | 12:17 |
| jessica_ | ok, thanks | 12:17 |
| Lathiat | jessica_: this is more for discussion between developers and stuff like that | 12:17 |
| davyd | Lathiat: so why are you here? ;) | 12:17 |
| jessica_ | ok, no problem. I asked it there once, but it was not really seen because everybody was screaming there was no msn(tm) on Ubuntu | 12:17 |
| davyd | or me? | 12:17 |
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| davyd | why are we here, are we unique, or are with an example of something that is common in the universe? | 12:18 |
| Amaranth | yay, python-xdg ignores user created menus! | 12:22 |
| crimsun | awesome. | 12:23 |
| crimsun | completely ignores? Is there a method of "refreshing?" | 12:23 |
| Amaranth | not that i'm aware of | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | davyd: to observe those that are far cooler than i :) | 12:25 |
| Amaranth | it shows up fine in the gnome menu | 12:25 |
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| apokryphos | Just as a note: the Wiki FrontPage is down. Unless it's down for maintenance, someone has deleted it. | 01:30 |
| kain | ic | 01:33 |
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| dexem | Hi! I'm having troubles with nautilus 2.10 (hoary). I have some nautilus scripts, but environment variables are not correctly set up by nautilus. NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_URIS is correctly set, but NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS is blank.... any idea about what could be happening? maybe a package compilation problem? I haven't found any reference... | 02:14 |
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| dholbach | see you later | 02:53 |
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| Chand | hi | 02:59 |
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| opi | Kamion, hope you got the .diff | 03:09 |
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| zul | hey | 04:11 |
| sjmorgan | hi | 04:14 |
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| zyga | hey everyone | 04:23 |
| tseng | hm why does libdbus-cil depend on libc6-dev | 04:28 |
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| blueyed | Is the bug with Synaptic known where an added custom repository does not appear until you start the packet manager dialog again? | 04:41 |
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| OpaH | I have a Toshiba Tecra 780DVD with an S3Virge Video Card - unfortunately, it only runs on 'vesa' UseFBDev | 05:02 |
| Chand | hi | 05:02 |
| Chand | did latest hoary kernel fixe ibook g4 resume issue ? | 05:03 |
| OpaH | If I have no known way of telling the HW-Detect to stay off the S3Virge code, it goes into psychedelic mode, ans looses both the X as well as the Character-consoles | 05:03 |
| zul | Chand: it should i think | 05:04 |
| zul | Chand: i dont do ppc though | 05:04 |
| Chand | this bug can be closed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7464 | 05:05 |
| OpaH | This wouldn't bother me much - IF I had sshd up and running at the time - so that I could go & fix xorg.conf | 05:05 |
| Chand | and this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6977 is the same | 05:05 |
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| abelli | happy easter everybody | 05:28 |
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| abelli | hey ppl why does gnome-menus depends on kdelibs-data? | 05:38 |
| zyga | abelli: as far as I can see they REPLACE them | 05:39 |
| amu | amu@ppc:~ $ apt-cache rdepends gnome-menus | 05:39 |
| amu | gnome-menus | 05:39 |
| amu | Reverse Depends: | 05:39 |
| amu | ubuntu-desktop | 05:39 |
| amu | gnome-panel | 05:39 |
| abelli | amu: right, i was dist-upgrading with aptitude and i noticed it was trying to install kdebase-data and kdelibs-data ... i don't know why i turned (ahhh right i was speaking with opi) to synaptic, then under "dependecies" it says that gnome-menus depends on kdelibs-data | 05:43 |
| amu | abelli: you mean kdelibs-data depends on gnome-menu? | 05:43 |
| amu | abelli: it's because of the "menu" kde uses the same package as gnome uses | 05:44 |
| abelli | mmm so why is my system trying to install kdelibs-data and kdebase? | 05:45 |
| abelli | no qt in here. | 05:45 |
| zenwhen | <-- theres one qt in here | 05:47 |
| zenwhen | ;) | 05:48 |
| abelli | zenwhen: dehiho ... doh. | 05:48 |
| zenwhen | bringing home a freshly downloaded daily install disk and updating every week is like a weekly birthday present | 05:50 |
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| amu | abelli: good question, what happens if you remove them ? | 05:50 |
| abelli | they get removed rightly (or at least i think so), but then if i try to dist-upgrade .. here they come again. | 05:52 |
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| sid77 | hi | 06:18 |
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| trulux | mdz: ping | 06:41 |
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| fabbione | elmo: ping? | 07:07 |
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| zul | hey fabbione | 08:02 |
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| srbaker | anyone know what the status of eclipse packages for hoary is? | 08:52 |
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| Seveas | srbaker, check the wiki on java | 09:22 |
| srbaker | cool | 09:23 |
| srbaker | thanks | 09:23 |
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| Lathiat | bugzilla defiantely needs some way to attach more than one file at once | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | so you dont spam people with 4 emails when attaching a few files and then another one for the realtive comment | 09:31 |
| zul | Lathiat: put your things in a tarball or something | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | point | 09:32 |
| Lathiat | didnt think about that | 09:32 |
| Lathiat | makes it harder to view as part of a bug tho | 09:32 |
| Lathiat | for like screenshots and stuff | 09:32 |
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| === Lathiat swears at gamin | ||
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| seb128 | Lathiat: does that work fine if you killall gam_server nautilus ? | 09:49 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 09:49 |
| Lathiat | does actually | 09:49 |
| seb128 | that's a dup of some open bugs | 09:50 |
| Lathiat | ah ok | 09:50 |
| Lathiat | sorry for spamming your inbox :) | 09:50 |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7078 | 09:50 |
| seb128 | that's the bug for the gamin issues | 09:51 |
| seb128 | np for the spam :p | 09:51 |
| seb128 | I'm closing it as a dup if that's fine with you | 09:51 |
| Lathiat | yeh sure | 09:51 |
| Lathiat | seb128: any idea what the decision about re-enabling new inotiy was? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | not for hoary | 09:52 |
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| Lathiat | rightio | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | i tried booting with inotify yesterday | 09:52 |
| dholbach | hey | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | lots of scary kernel backtraces :( | 09:52 |
| seb128 | works fine ? | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | wanted to get beagle to work heh | 09:52 |
| seb128 | so not using it for hoary is a good idea :p | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 09:53 |
| zul | you dont need inotify for beagule apparently | 09:53 |
| seb128 | hi dholbach | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | i also lost about 90GB of data shortly after | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | i hope to god that wasnt inotifys fault :P | 09:53 |
| dholbach | hey seb128! :-) | 09:53 |
| seb128 | works better with inotify probably though | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | but just my firewire being dodgy and offlining my disk sfar too much | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | yeh it does | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | half the stuff doesnt work without it | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | all its indexing atm are my RSS feeds and email | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | no gaim logs etc | 09:53 |
| === Lathiat wonders as to the progress of moving dbus apps to the new apis, like hal etc | ||
| Lathiat | bit of a sticker atm :\ | 09:55 |
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| Lathiat | seb128: ping | 10:36 |
| seb128 | pong | 10:39 |
| Lathiat | seb128: what did you think about disabling detachable toolbars by default? | 10:47 |
| zul | bbl | 10:49 |
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| seb128 | Lathiat: why ? | 10:50 |
| Lathiat | well since theyre broken, unless its fixed ? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | good idea, just drop whatever is broken instead of fixing bugs | 10:52 |
| Lathiat | heh | 10:52 |
| ogra | wow, yeah, then our job gets really easy | 10:52 |
| Lathiat | point taken :> | 10:52 |
| Lathiat | i was just thinking more hoary release wise | 10:52 |
| ogra | the system will be a bit spartan after a while though.... | 10:53 |
| seb128 | we have one bug in month about that, I don't think that's an issue for a lot of users | 10:53 |
| Lathiat | im digging around trying to figure out the problem atm, but i havent looked at any of this code before so its not going so well, heh | 10:54 |
| seb128 | that's a libbonoboui apparently, good luck :p | 10:55 |
| Lathiat | haha yeh | 10:56 |
| Lathiat | wow its 5am | 10:57 |
| Lathiat | where did the night go | 10:57 |
| zyga | Lathiat: here, it's 11pm | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | hehe | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | on sunday night or monday night? | 10:59 |
| Lathiat | actually has to be sunday | 10:59 |
| Lathiat | cus im GMT+8 so any further ahead is 4 hours so max time it could be anywhere is like midday monday, i think | 10:59 |
| Lathiat | 8:30 probably | 10:59 |
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| zenwhen | Hey Devs | 11:06 |
| zyga | Lathiat: sunday | 11:06 |
| zenwhen | How well do you think Ubuntu will respond to switching from an i865 based board to an i875P based board without a reinstall? | 11:06 |
| zenwhen | The chipsets and related hardware are quite close to one another, but I think the i865 board I am using now is on the fritz. I apologize if I am taking advantage of the vast bae of knowledge in here when I should be posing this in #ubuntu. | 11:08 |
| Lathiat | hmm theres some nasty looking comments in these files :P | 11:14 |
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| Mitario | hello everyone | 11:20 |
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