[12:01] <schweeb> yea, shit on apt-get.org is far from passing anything
[12:02] <ogra> but we cant apply it to the apt-get.org pkgs....
[12:02] <ogra> thats what makes me worried...
[12:02] <herve> that's what is unfair
[12:02] <dholbach> everyone: ping  re: motu report -- please /query me a line or two about what you did and liked in the last month of motu work, kthxbye, love daniel
[12:02] <herve> those packages bypass quality requirements
[12:02] <ogra> you can put a package with a huge backdoor on apt-get.org.....and then access all the ubuntu systems using it
[12:03] <ogra> dholbach, tonight ?
[12:03] <dholbach> i will now ping each and every hour
[12:03] <dholbach> :-)
[12:03] <ogra> how many hours ?
[12:03] <dholbach> to make sure you don't feel left out afterwards
[12:04] <dholbach> until april, 1st
[12:04] <tritium> I'll be back later, and I'll start working on it, dholbach.
[12:04] <dholbach> that's when the report is due
[12:04] <ogra> ok
[12:04] <dholbach> tritium: bye michael... working on what? linitian?
[12:04] <ogra> so tomorrow is enough...
[12:04] <tritium> dholbach, motu report info for you
[12:04] <dholbach> tritium: thanks a lot
[12:05] <dholbach> tritium: just one or two lines
[12:05] <tritium> sure, no problem :)
[12:05] <tritium> see you all soon.
[12:11] <schweeb> dammit, burned my food :-/
[12:12] <ogra> dholbach, http://kitenet.net/~joey/debian/unstable/
[12:12] <ogra> dholbach, fun
[12:12] <dholbach> yeah
[12:12] <dholbach> ;-)
[12:12] <ogra> Kamion will love it...
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[12:12] <herve> let me guess...
[12:13] <herve> importing apt-get.org also was Colin's idea?
[12:13] <ogra> there is also a experimental ....
[12:13] <ogra> luckily its empty currently
[12:14] <jani> herve, no I think sabdlf wants as many packages in ubuntu as possible
[12:14] <jani> but we're too few to review them all
[12:14] <ogra> yep
[12:14] <herve> jani, I know ;-)
[12:15] <schweeb> I think importing a few key packages of interest is a really good idea... after review... everything? no
[12:15] <schweeb> just feels wrong
[12:16] <herve> I asked for either users or those maintainers ask for the inclusion of such packages
[12:16] <jani> yes there should have been a voting or something going on on users list and get in what is demanded
[12:16] <jani> not every deb
[12:19] <herve> as ogra said, the motu all agree :-)
[12:20] <jani> evening all
[12:20] <herve> bye
[12:21] <ogra> schweeb, sabdfls idea was that no user has to touch the sources.list, which is a really ingenious idea....but still...
[12:22] <schweeb> ogra: don't they have to go into the apt sources configurator to even get universe?
[12:23] <dholbach> schweeb: yes
[12:23] <ogra> schweeb, yop
[12:23] <herve> hmm
[12:23] <herve> I think synaptic has a checkbox
[12:23] <herve> but it's
[12:23] <herve> still
[12:23] <herve> it's consired to be the advanced user tool
[12:24] <schweeb> add another section in the repos then... "not-looked-at-by-motus-imported-from-apt-get.org"
[12:24] <schweeb> :P
[12:24] <herve> s/consired/considered
[12:24] <herve> I suggest "dont-even-whin-on-ubuntu-users" :-)
[12:24] <schweeb> hehe
[12:24] <dholbach> haha
[12:25] <herve> 3 level user support ;-)
[12:25] <schweeb> you've got supported, supported by MOTU, and "piss off"
[12:26] <herve> "cry to your mother" to stay polite!
[12:27] <herve> tomorrow I'll work on other thing
[12:27] <herve> those python transition are really pissing me off
[12:31] <ogra> herve, any idea about burn ? there is a weird message on ubuntu-users
[12:31] <herve> checking...
[12:32] <ogra> its not on the transition list and installs fine on my amd64
[12:32] <herve> "error installing burn on hoary" ?
[12:33] <ogra> yop
[12:33] <ogra> but py2.3 is available...so it should get sucked in by the deps
[12:33] <herve> I'm working on it :-)
[12:35] <herve> "tar: burn/docs: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 01:00:00"
[12:35] <herve> good...
[12:40] <ogra> heh
[12:41] <herve> i'm always impressed by those DD who used dh_make but but that's pretty all...
[12:42] <ogra> heh
[12:42] <ogra> be happy they didnt use debmake ...
[12:42] <herve> *fear*
[12:43] <ogra> *g*
[12:43] <herve> I'm seriously wondering which priority to give to a bug against python-iconvcodec
[12:43] <ogra> low ?
[12:43] <herve> it seems maintain by dh_make itself, not a human being
[12:44] <ogra> very_extra_low ?
[12:44] <ogra> below_ground ?
[12:44] <herve> I thought QA bugs would be serious
[12:45] <herve> burn is nice too
[12:45] <herve> "I use `pwd` because I don't know about $(CURDIR)
[12:45] <herve> "
[12:47] <ogra> lol
[12:49] <herve> okay
[12:49] <herve> I have burn ready to upload
[12:49] <ogra> yay
[12:50] <herve> I would have been usefull today finally
[12:50] <ogra> herve, youre always useful :)
[12:50] <ogra> not only today
[12:51] <herve> you kidding
[12:51] <herve> I broke sip4 and packages depending on it
[12:51] <herve> which means qt and kde python bindinds
[12:51] <ogra> and ?
[12:51] <herve> bindinggggs
[12:51] <herve> yes I know
[12:51] <herve> who cares about kde :-)
[12:51] <ogra> *g*
[12:52] <herve> I'm desperately waiting on the DD to continue his work on new upstreams of those packages
[12:54] <schweeb> ogra: heh, I should start in on this fifth of rum I have next to me ;)
[12:54] <herve> what? I said it wrong? :-)
[12:54] <herve> merlot? phew...
[12:54] <ogra> schweeb, prost :)
[12:54] <herve> I've got whisky and champagne here ;-)
[12:55] <ogra> hehe
[12:55] <herve> can do
[12:55] <schweeb> lol
[12:55] <herve> I'm still thinking how to send them in Germany...
[12:55] <schweeb> when I'm not typing, I'm drinking :)
[12:56] <herve> (add "about" where appropriate)
[12:56] <schweeb> herve: in a big, ticking box that says "not a bomb" on it
[12:56] <herve> and "fragile" too :-)
[12:56] <dholbach> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:56] <dholbach> cookies
[12:56] <dholbach> wow, siretart had just fixed 3 packages
[12:57] <herve> dholbach, you'd prefer coconut or chocolate ones?
[12:57] <herve> or both!
[12:57] <dholbach> yeah both! :-)
[12:58] <herve> I think I'll start a business and sell them on open markets ;-)
[12:58] <herve> I buy home-made jam that way
[12:58] <herve> soooooo good
[12:59] <dholbach> herve: my mum provides me with it :-)
[12:59] <herve> you lucky
[12:59] <schweeb> how old are you, dholbach
[12:59] <dholbach> herve: i tell her to send you a package :-)
[01:00] <dholbach> schweeb: 26
[01:00] <tritium> never too old for cookies :)
[01:00] <herve> I have to provide mine with this jam from grenoble :-)
[01:00] <dholbach> hihi
[01:00] <herve> yeah, sending a jar should be easier
[01:01] <schweeb> just send some vacuum packed cookes to him, heh
[01:01] <dholbach> herve: i wouldnt start a package with ONE jar - give me your adress and i'll see what i can do ;-)
[01:02] <herve> it's too late if you were not serious ;-)
[01:15] <dholbach> ok somebody give me an easy package to fix
[01:15] <dholbach> please
[01:15] <dholbach> :-)
[01:16] <dholbach> i need more of a success feeling before i go to bed
[01:16] <herve> "python-iconvcoded: unmaintained crap, fire that maintainer"
[01:16] <dholbach> :-)
[01:16] <herve> hmm... too aggressive I guess :-)
[01:16] <herve> dholbach, whoops
[01:16] <herve> I should have left you "burn"
[01:17] <herve> or you can pretend I haven't done anything and fix it yourself
[01:17] <dholbach> hrmmmm
[01:17] <dholbach> EDOESNTFEELRIGHT
[01:18] <herve> in how many hou^Wdays you want to go to bed?
[01:19] <herve> because you could fix gcompris :-p
[01:19] <dholbach> ETOOMUCHPAIN
[01:19] <dholbach> ;-)
[01:20] <dholbach> wow... autogen needs assembler
[01:20] <dholbach> *shudder*
[01:20] <schweeb> eeek
[01:20] <schweeb> why
[01:20] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/a/autogen/1:5.6.5-1/autogen_1:5.6.5-1_20050319-0049-ia64-failed
[01:22] <herve> dholbach, I suggest you look at pidentd
[01:22] <herve> but this means asking lamont to kick it, roughly :-)
[01:23] <dholbach> hmm
[01:25] <herve> are ia64 fixes really important if this arch is not official?
[01:26] <ogra> no
[01:27] <dholbach> lamont: scummvm build was cracked up by pkgstriptranslations on i386
[01:29] <dholbach> lamont: nevermind... you already gave it back
[01:29] <herve> why are kdebase and kdeaddons on the list?
[01:29] <herve> they're in main now
[01:30] <schweeb> put a note by em, irssi-text is in there too...
[01:30] <dholbach> herve: it's all my fault
[01:30] <ogra> irssi is fixed
[01:30] <herve> dholbach, ho no, don't say that
[01:30] <ogra> uploaded yesterday
[01:30] <dholbach> herve: messed up the lists
[01:31] <schweeb> ogra: what was the prob with irssi?
[01:31] <ogra> ia64 bug
[01:31] <schweeb> ah
[01:31] <dholbach> lamont: why have all of the builds powerpc-givenback?
[01:32] <herve> and anything related to mrproject should be dropped NOW
[01:32] <dholbach> gives me the feeling something wasnt right
[01:34] <herve> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10_2.6.10.3-8_20050324-2326-ia64-failed
[01:34] <herve> I guess it's not our concern either?
[01:34] <dholbach> alright... looking after kmerlin
[01:35] <dholbach> broken kde stuff should be referred to as Krack, right? ;-)
[01:35] <schweeb> rofl
[01:35] <herve> :-)
[01:35] <schweeb> *cough* krap *cough*
[01:35] <herve> nautilus-media should be dropped too
[01:35] <dholbach> herve: mailed elmo about it
[01:35] <herve> lol
[01:36] <herve> pcmcia-modules-2.4.26-i386_3.2.5+1_20050324-0623-i386-failed
[01:36] <herve> who cares...
[01:36] <dholbach> chuck out
[01:36] <dholbach> :-)
[01:37] <schweeb> what should we do with these packages that need things like kernel-source-2.4.26 and such (user-mode-linux)
[01:37] <dholbach> tell #u-kernel
[01:37] <dholbach> zul wanted to have a look at those
[01:38] <schweeb> just inform them about any package that requires a kernel-source package?
[01:39] <dholbach> any kernel crack
[01:39] <schweeb> okay
[01:40] <herve> I wonder how many times you said "crack" today -:)
[01:40] <dholbach> hehe
[01:40] <tritium> be back later
[01:40] <dholbach> too often
[01:41] <schweeb> I could grep logs :P
[01:41] <herve> m2crypto in the archive \o/
[01:42] <dholbach> yeah
[01:44] <herve> I can go to sleep with the mind in peace :-)
[01:44] <herve> good night all
[01:48] <dholbach> i'm about to go to bed too
[01:48] <dholbach> kmerlin seems to build just fine :-)
[01:49] <dholbach> jaaaaaaaaa
[01:49] <dholbach> "IM JULI"
[01:51] <schweeb> ogra: best scifi show ever
[01:52] <ogra> schweeb, its the film :)
[01:52] <ogra> s/film/movie
[01:52] <schweeb> miniseries then ;)
[01:53] <ogra> yeah
[01:53] <schweeb> all the same to me, it's all good
[01:55] <schweeb> when season 2's out I'll be much happier :)
[01:55] <ogra> heh
[03:02] <dholbach> kmerlin fixed and uploaded
[03:02] <dholbach> have a good night everyone
[03:02] <schweeb> night
[03:03] <crimsun> night dholbach
[03:03] <dholbach> if tritium turns up again: tell him to look if those libs are really needed (i doubt it) and he should look how mlview handles it in debian/rules
[03:03] <crimsun> check.
[03:03] <dholbach> bye daniel
[03:04] <ogra> night dholbach
[03:04] <dholbach> bye oliver
[03:05] <schweeb> w00t, elmo put gsf-sharp through
[03:06] <crimsun> evening ogra, schweeb
[03:06] <schweeb> evenin
[03:06] <ogra> hi crimsun
[06:14] <crimsun> Riddell: ping
[06:18] <crimsun> dts in #ubuntu is having problems upgrading python-kde3 (due to it not having been rebuilt for python2.4)
[06:19] <crimsun> if it's ok, I'll go ahead and do the transition, but I need to check with the kubuntu folks first, I presume
[07:26] <crimsun> morning, tritium
[07:26] <tritium> morning, crimsun.  How are you
[07:26] <tritium> ?
[07:27] <crimsun> not too bad, listening to Kenny Garrett (Standard of Language) and getting ready to do more pike work.  Yourself?
[07:28] <tritium> I'm fine, thanks.  Going to read some papers and perhaps try to pick something off the priority list and see if I can do anything with it ;)
[07:29] <crimsun> =)
[07:31] <tritium> I recorded my wife singing, and she's having a blast with audacity now :)
[07:32] <crimsun> great :)
[07:33] <tritium> It's fun seeing her pick up linux so well.  She uses it full time now.
[07:34] <schweeb> nice
[07:34] <tritium> hey schweeb :)
[07:34] <schweeb> what up tritium
[07:34] <tritium> not much.  you?
[07:35] <schweeb> thinkin about fixin libgdiplus and user-mode-linux
[07:35] <schweeb> heh
[07:35] <tritium> nice
[07:37] <schweeb> although I either gotta get the kernel guys to pkg 2.4.26's source, or I gotta upgrade u-m-l's version
[07:37] <crimsun> it'll be easier to simply upgrade it in Breezy
[07:38] <crimsun> for Hoary, perhaps bandaid it so it builds
[07:38] <Burgundavia> just looking at torcs
[07:38] <schweeb> bandaiding it so it builds needs kernel-source :)
[07:38] <Burgundavia> it builds on ia64
[07:38] <Burgundavia> but nothing else
[07:38] <schweeb> so I gotta bump it to .27
[07:39] <schweeb> in Breezy, I'll upload a 2.6 kernel
[07:39] <schweeb> as I use u-m-l a decent bit
[07:40] <crimsun> schweeb: rather, have it check for _a_ kernel source, not kernel-source-foo
[07:41] <schweeb> er, it's rather version sensitive
[07:41] <crimsun> oh, which version of u-m-l?
[07:41] <schweeb> it patches the kernel, then builds from the uml arch
[07:41] <crimsun> right, make arch=um
[07:42] <schweeb> in universe right now it's 2.4.26
[07:42] <schweeb> no 2.4.26 source... got .25 and .27
[07:42] <crimsun> hmm, uml is in 2.6, though.
[07:42] <schweeb> still needs patches
[07:42] <schweeb> just smaller ones :)
[07:43] <crimsun> gah
[07:43] <crimsun> that way insanity lies
[07:43] <schweeb> I'm IRCing from a UML right now
[07:43] <schweeb> heh
[07:43] <crimsun> yeah, I used uml a bit a while ago
[07:44] <schweeb> although, I could harass mdz about it, it is his package :)
[07:45] <crimsun> true :)
[07:50] <schweeb> bugger
[07:50] <schweeb> I'd have to fix kernel-patch-uml too
[07:51] <tritium> crimsun, feel like helping ells with his sound problem :D ?
[07:51] <schweeb> although I could hack it to work w/o it :)
[07:52] <crimsun> tritium: lemme read scrollback
[07:52] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[08:54] <tritium> ogra, you up?
[08:54] <tritium> lamont, can you get ops in #ubuntu (if you're up)?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> we got any aussie admins?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> those are the people that would be up
[08:55] <Burgundavia> like jdub
[08:56] <tritium> I tried ogra and lamont
[08:56] <tritium> I see you tried jdub in -devel
[08:56] <Burgundavia> it is 6am in europe
[08:57] <Burgundavia> on Sunda
[08:57] <Burgundavia> y
[08:57] <lamont> sorry - sup?
[08:57] <Lathiat> 3pm/5pm in aussie so someone might be kicking around
[08:57] <Lathiat> daniels perhaps
[08:57] <tritium> lamont, we have a racist situation in #ubuntu
[08:57] <Lathiat> talk to an oper perhaps
[08:57] <lamont> who needs kick-banned?
[08:57] <tritium> it has gotten rather offensive at times
[08:57] <tritium> dcm
[08:57] <Lathiat> oh lamont is around
[08:59] <tritium> lamont, it's all in the logs if you need to see.  Also, Burgundavia has some logs of his own
[08:59] <lamont> saw enough scrollback
[08:59] <crimsun> thanks.
[08:59] <Burgundavia> good
[08:59] <lamont> so does that deal with it?
[08:59] <crimsun> he'll probably be back :/
[09:00] <Burgundavia> I have emailed mako
[09:00] <Burgundavia> with gpg signed logs
[09:00] <tritium> great
[09:00] <tritium> I'm glad the issue of ops has already come up in the CC meetings
[09:01] <tritium> Thanks for handling that lamont
[09:01] <Burgundavia> added thanks lamont
[09:14] <tritium> Burgundavia, crimsun, lamont:  have a good night.  See you tomorrow.
[10:10] <dholbach> gooood morning
[10:11] <siretart> morning dholbach
[10:11] <crimsun> morning, dholbach
[10:11] <siretart> yeah! my first package has been ACCEPTED in debian! :)
[10:11] <crimsun> congrats!
[10:11] <dholbach> WOW
[10:11] <dholbach> grats! :-)
[10:11] <dholbach> hey you two
[10:13] <siretart> it's still in incoming, but has already been build for 5 architectures (not counting amd64 and i386) - buildds rock!
[10:13] <crimsun> indeed they do
[10:13] <dholbach> which one is it?
[10:14] <siretart> its pong2
[10:15] <dholbach> oh cool
[10:15] <dholbach> we'll have it, when breezy opens
[10:15] <dholbach> *ROCK*
[10:15] <siretart> its a nice small game, classical pong in 3d (opengl). A friend of mine has done it as homework for a course, and started a project on berlios for it
[10:16] <dholbach> i packaged a friends tool too
[10:16] <siretart> pong2.berlios.de
[10:16] <dholbach> felt obliged to ;-)
[10:16] <dholbach> *screenshots*
[10:17] <dholbach> woah... these kind of games make me dizzy ;-)
[10:17] <siretart> definitly :)
[10:17] <Lathiat> ls
[10:17] <dholbach> anyway... as soon as we have it, i'll give it a spin
[10:18] <dholbach> Lathiat: :   #   .   ..   HOW-TO-GET-INVOLVED.txt
[10:18] <Lathiat> dholbach: :)
[10:19] <dholbach> ;-)
[11:02] <crimsun> are we supposed to be able to create accounts on malone?
[11:03] <dholbach> erm... i have one for ages... should be the one you use with the wiki
[11:03] <crimsun> d'oh!
[11:04] <crimsun> no wonder, I use a different email for that one  O:-)
[11:04] <dholbach> you can merge accounts on malone as well
[11:05] <crimsun> ah.  Thanks!  :)
[11:06] <dholbach> i went through that procedure already ;-)
[11:06] <dholbach> is malone slow for you as well?
[11:07] <dholbach> i wonder if it's my connection
[11:07] <crimsun> it's not noticeably sluggish, no
[11:07] <dholbach> ah ok
[02:21] <herve> mor... afternoon!
[02:21] <crimsun> morning!
[02:21] <crimsun> (guh, need sleep)
[02:21] <dholbach> hey herve!
[02:22] <dholbach> crimsun: good night then :-)
[02:22] <crimsun> 'ni :)
[02:24] <ogra> night crimsun
[02:25] <crimsun> night ogra :)
[02:26] <ogra> good work in #ubuntu ;)
[02:40] <HostingGeek> crimsun: you do not need sleep
[02:40] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i NEED sleep
[02:40] <HostingGeek> crimsun: paste 3 days partying only 4hrs sleep
[02:40] <HostingGeek> crimsun: feet totaly swallowen
[02:41] <HostingGeek> ...
[02:42] <herve> dholbach, did you poke elmo about sip-qt3 new binary packages?
[02:42] <dholbach> no
[02:42] <herve> they just magically appear in the archive
[02:44] <dholbach> wow wiki/AptGetOrg nearly finished
[02:44] <dholbach> i guess i'll be able to write to the list tonight
[02:45] <herve> crimsun, ping
[02:47] <herve> er... he meant it when he said good night? :-)
[02:52] <dholbach> pals... i'm off
[02:52] <dholbach> see you later tonight
[02:53] <tseng> dholbach: gift-fasttrack reverses kazaa/sharman's network
[02:53] <tseng> dholbach: which they arent big fans of.
[02:53] <dholbach> tseng: erm?
[02:53] <dholbach> tseng: what do you refer to?
[02:53] <tseng> im looking at your list
[02:53] <tseng> AptGetOrg
[02:53] <dholbach> comment on it, please
[02:53] <tseng> ill move it to "legal"
[02:53] <dholbach> yes
[02:53] <dholbach> thanks for that
[02:54] <dholbach> i didnt have the time to review and heavily rely on everyone's input
[02:54] <herve> we'll be there :-)
[02:55] <dholbach> tseng: thanks for the "heads up"
[02:58] <dholbach> have a nice day everyone
[02:58] <dholbach> need to catch the train
[02:58] <dholbach> *wave*
[02:58] <herve> ++
[03:12] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: what happened with your menu editor?
[03:14] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Bugs in pyxdg have halted development.
[03:14] <Amaranth> I have an 0.5 practically ready to go but pyxdg doesn't show user created menus.
[03:15] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: you said it was fixed :|
[03:15] <Amaranth> different bug
[03:15] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: why can't you patch pyxdg...?
[03:15] <Amaranth> even if i figured it out it wouldn't get into hoary
[03:16] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: you got more than 1 WEEK!
[03:16] <Amaranth> and other things to do
[03:16] <Amaranth> pymusique is taking up a lot of my time
[03:17] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: but this is a MENU EDITOR!
[03:18] <Amaranth> not even in the same category as pymusique, sorry
[03:18] <tseng> HostingGeek: I've told you nearly a half dozen times, no caps
[03:18] <tseng> you need to stop being obnoxious or you are out.
[03:18] <ogra> Amaranth, i looked at your package yesterday, we prefe not to have native packages (debian dir in the tar.gz)
[03:18] <HostingGeek> tseng: but.... its a menu editor!
[03:18] <ogra> prefer even
[03:18] <Amaranth> ogra: I could have sworn my latest package fixed that.
[03:18] <HostingGeek> ok
[03:19] <tseng> timeout chair.
[03:19] <ogra> Amaranth, i didnt see a diff.gz in the dir...
[03:19] <Amaranth> diff.gz would have the debian dir?
[03:20] <ogra> Amaranth, the clean way is to have the source stuff in the .orig.gz and the debian specific stuff in the diff.gz, yes
[03:20] <Amaranth> i tried taht
[03:20] <Amaranth> err, that
[03:20] <Amaranth> i followed the guides and everything
[03:20] <Amaranth> i got an orig.tar.gz and a package
[03:20] <tseng> ftp://ftp.duckcorp.org/myserver/ - can anyone get here?
[03:20] <tseng> im going to mark it as dead
[03:20] <ogra> tseng, nope, its dead
[03:20] <Amaranth> i can
[03:21] <tseng> hm
[03:21] <tseng> Amaranth: yeah?
[03:21] <ogra> i tried several times already....it always timed out for me
[03:21] <StoneTable> I'm trying to fix some stuff on the priority list (new guy).  Should I add what I change to the changelog of the package I fix?
[03:21] <Amaranth> try ftp://62.4.21.229/myserver/ ?
[03:21] <Amaranth> i've just gotten it twice
[03:21] <HostingGeek> tseng: i can reach it
[03:21] <HostingGeek> tseng: thanks
[03:22] <HostingGeek> tseng: there is a hurd folder there....
[03:22] <ogra> StoneTable, yup, and use pbuilder for building the new source package
[03:22] <tseng> StoneTable: definately. use dch -i, and change the dist to hoary, and the revision to Debian rev -Xubuntu1
[03:22] <tseng> X = debian rev
[03:23] <StoneTable> yeah, I got educated on pbuilder last night :)
[03:23] <ogra> great
[03:23] <tseng> great
[03:24] <tseng> heh :(
[03:24] <ogra> :)
[03:24] <tseng> anyone for http://twerner.debian.net/deb-src/ ?
[03:24] <ogra> timeout
[03:24] <tseng> yep.
[03:24] <ogra> tseng, do you start from the bottom ?
[03:25] <tseng> yes
[03:25] <tseng> i will save in one second just for you
[03:25] <StoneTable> do I add it to the last changelog entry, or bump the version and add a new one?
[03:25] <tseng> ogra: saved
[03:25] <ogra> tseng, go ahead, i wont do it now, but start from the top later then
[03:26] <ogra> (didnt know dholbach wanted to leave, he was the top down guy ;) )
[03:26] <tseng> i was going to go through everything in unreviewed
[03:26] <ogra> me too
[03:26] <tseng> just to make sure it exists
[03:26] <tseng> ok well im taking a bath
[03:26] <tseng> so hit it for 20 minutes or so :P
[03:26] <tseng> i did a bunch
[03:27] <ogra> tseng, for later....pull the Packages.gz and do
[03:27] <ogra> for i in `zgrep -E 'Package\:' Packages.gz | sed 's/Package\:\ //g'`; do LC_ALL=C apt-cache show $i; done | grep -E "(Package|Version)" | grep -v Standards
[03:27] <tseng> ok.
[03:27] <ogra> thats what dholbach uses....
[03:27] <tseng> bbiab then
[03:29] <ogra> StoneTable, dch -i does nearly everything for you, if you made ubuntu changes, change the distribution in the first line from unstable to hoary and append the -Xubuntu1 to the debian version as tseng said
[03:30] <ogra> make sure the mailaddress is ok...dch will tell you whats wrong on save if you made formatting mistakes
[03:31] <StoneTable> okay, cool, thanks
[03:33] <HostingGeek> tseng: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg LOL
[03:34] <HostingGeek> tseng: i said it has a FOLDER called hurd and another one i386
[03:34] <HostingGeek> tseng: plus some tarballs
[03:35] <StoneTable> oh, dch is nice
[03:35] <ogra> yp
[03:35] <ogra> yup
[03:50] <herve> dch -Dhoary is better :-)
[03:51] <ogra> heh
[03:58] <ogra> herve, dont disclose all our secrets ;)
[03:59] <herve> don't worry, I keep the secret options for us ;-)
[04:00] <ogra> heh
[04:12] <Amaranth> how do i make an diff.gz?
[04:12] <ogra> debuild -S
[04:12] <Amaranth> dh_make made an orig.tar.gz
[04:12] <Amaranth> d'oh
[04:13] <ogra> you make the orig.tar.gz with dh_make, then move into the source tree and make your modifications in the debian dir....then run debuild -S to create the diff
[04:13] <Amaranth> it didn't make one :/
[04:14] <ogra> err, debuild -S -sa
[04:15] <ogra> sorry
[04:16] <Amaranth> grr, still nothing
[04:19] <herve> grrr
[04:39] <StoneTable> okay.  I think I've done it right: http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/
[04:45] <StoneTable> gotta run, but I'll be back in an hour or so
[06:15] <StoneTable> Once I've built a package (going through the priority list), what's the process to have someone review it?
[06:16] <herve> ask it :-)
[06:16] <StoneTable> okay, could someone review my xmms-alarm-bmp1 packages? http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/ :)
[06:17] <herve> hmm wait
[06:18] <herve> argh
[06:19] <herve> I think you should have move this packages to "Working on"
[06:19] <StoneTable> oh?
[06:19] <herve> so that no one else would work on it at the same time
[06:19] <StoneTable> ahhh, I see that on the page now
[06:19] <StoneTable> I'll do that now
[06:20] <herve> and I added a step
[06:20] <herve> "Waiting review"
[06:23] <herve> I'll review it
[06:23] <herve> but can't upload it
[06:24] <StoneTable> okay, cool
[06:24] <schweeb> wassup stone
[06:24] <herve> argh
[06:25] <herve> I won't go further
[06:25] <herve> it shouldn't be named like this
[06:25] <herve> but xmms-alarm-bmp1_0.3.6-0.1ubuntu1.dsc
[06:25] <herve> (er... no .dsc)
[06:25] <StoneTable> hey schweeb
[06:25] <StoneTable> okay, I'll get that fixed
[06:26] <herve> no need to add another entry to the changelog
[06:26] <herve> just fix yours
[06:26] <herve> hey trulux !
[06:27] <schweeb> StoneTable: oh yea, something I forgot to mention... when you modify a package for ubuntu, you don't generally up the main revision, you up (or add) the ubuntu revision
[06:27] <trulux> hey herve
[06:27] <trulux> howdy?
[06:27] <herve> yeah  \o/
[06:33] <herve> hi jbailey
[06:36] <jbailey> heya herve.
[07:41] <tseng> ogra: i finished weeding out dead/obvious stuff
[07:41] <tseng> ogra: everything is in "Source Repos" now for stage 2 review
[07:48] <ogra> yeah, great work tseng
[07:48] <tseng> thanks.
[07:48] <ogra> you rock ;)
[07:48] <tseng> was nothing.
[07:49] <tseng> dholbach is the real hero
[07:49] <tseng> (and will probably be doing alot of stage 2 :( )
[07:49] <ogra> tseng, true
[07:49] <tseng> poor guy doesnt know when to say no
[07:49] <tseng> or something.
[07:49] <ogra> thats what i am here for ;)
[07:50] <ogra> i often pull him back to the ground....
[07:50] <ogra> but sadly i'm not always available....
[07:51] <StoneTable> is there a trick to creating a patch to use with dpatch?  I can't get dpatch to apply this patch
[07:51] <ogra> he really likes to do it, but time is short....we'll have to drop a lot of tasks
[07:51] <tseng> StoneTable: indeed there is.
[07:51] <StoneTable> diff -u src/file.c src/file.c.patched
[07:51] <ogra> diff -ruN olddir newdir
[07:51] <tseng> StoneTable: http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 read this.
[07:51] <StoneTable> ah
[07:52] <tseng> hopefully your source isnt in a half patched state atm
[07:52] <tseng> I hate when I manage that
[07:52] <StoneTable> heh
[07:53] <StoneTable> luckily, its a tiny patch
[07:53] <StoneTable> good to learn with
[07:54] <tseng> dpatch is great once you know the "trick"
[07:54] <tseng> however, if your package is already using cdbs
[07:54] <tseng> simple-patchsys.mk lets you use regular diffs in the same manner
[07:54] <tseng> very nice.
[07:55] <trulux> I don't get the (r) registered trademark character working with LaTeX
[07:55] <trulux> :)
[07:55] <ogra> very nice description...
[07:55] <ogra> deserves a wiki page...
[07:55] <tseng> there is a bit of one
[07:55] <tseng> that i found after writing that
[07:55] <tseng> but its not as comprehensive imo
[07:56] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PackagingTips/view?searchterm=dpatch
[07:57] <tseng> ogra: when i wrote that, someone from docs was here and asked me about doing an ubuntu development handbook in the breezy time frame
[07:57] <tseng> i dont recall the nick
[07:58] <ogra> yeah, sounds like a marvelous idea
[07:58] <StoneTable> well, hopefully I can get this figured out today, test this out, and get it reviewed
[07:58] <herve> I'd like to participate to that
[07:58] <tseng> great herve
[07:58] <herve> and I know dholbach would too :-)
[07:58] <tseng> basing on the debian new maint guide seems obvious to me
[07:58] <ogra> the ubuntu MOTU book
[07:58] <tseng> but its lacking on a few subjects
[07:59] <tseng> cdbs, dpatch usage, transitions
[07:59] <tseng> stuff that comes up daily here.
[08:00] <herve> tseng, reading you blog page... I would never have thought dpatch is so impressive
[08:01] <tseng> yeah it seemed that alot of people didnt know about it when dholbach and I started playing with it
[08:01] <herve> the last howto I saw about dpatch
[08:01] <herve> suggested to put the diff in 01foobar.dpatch
[08:01] <tseng> and edit the top?
[08:02] <tseng> lame.
[08:02] <herve> and copy/paste the sh snippet at the top of it
[08:02] <tseng> i was doing that as well
[08:02] <herve> now I discover there's some shell inside it :-)
[08:02] <tseng> but hey, on the same note
[08:02] <tseng> you can actually add a custom dpatch template to debian/patches and have it use that
[08:03] <herve> I guess the result is the same
[08:03] <StoneTable> wow, tseng. dpatch-edit-patch is /really/ nice
[08:03] <tseng> yes, but "my" way is way cooler
[08:03] <herve> no hesitation :-)
[08:03] <tseng> for an example of a template, see linux-image source
[08:04] <tseng> not that that is terribly interesting to me
[08:05] <tseng> just be aware that its possible.
[08:05] <herve> I like finding examples of nice packaging tips in other packages
[08:05] <tseng> im going to blog http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ after I hear back from the author
[08:05] <tseng> it seems like alot of people miss out on that as well
[08:06] <tseng> I just made a feature request for links to buildlogs
[08:06] <herve> next step, qa.packages.ubuntu.com -:)
[08:07] <herve> :-)
[08:07] <tseng> yes.
[08:09] <StoneTable> alright, patch works if called directly via dpatch
[08:10] <StoneTable> but isn't applying when I run dpkg-buildpackage. I must have foobared debian/rules
[08:10] <tseng> are you including dpatch.mk?
[08:10] <tseng> include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[08:10] <StoneTable> yep, I added that
[08:10] <tseng> did you add the patch to 00list?
[08:11] <herve> it's a cdbs package?
[08:11] <tseng> minus the suffid.
[08:11] <tseng> suffix
[08:11] <tseng> herve: doesnt matter
[08:11] <StoneTable> oh, minus the suffix
[08:11] <tseng> you can include dpatch anywhere
[08:11] <tseng> yeah cat 00list
[08:11] <herve> yes but that syntax is to be used inside cdbs?
[08:11] <tseng> no?
[08:11] <tseng> its makefile syntax
[08:11] <tseng> cdbs just gives a set of prebuilt rules
[08:12] <herve> ok, after phony targets, I need to learn that "include" keyword :-)
[08:13] <StoneTable> once the file is included, I need to tell it to patch and unpatch in rules, right?
[08:13] <tseng> if you actually took all the code from various .mk's in cdbs, youd have a traditional debian/rules
[08:13] <tseng> albeit overly large
[08:13] <schweeb> StoneTable: I would assume dpatch.make takes care of that
[08:14] <tseng> its just a bit of abstraction.
[08:14] <Lathiat> Can someone tell me if detachable toolbars are on in a default ubuntu install?
[08:14] <tseng> yes.
[08:14] <StoneTable> schweeb:  so I assumed, but it doesn't look like the patch is getting applied
[08:14] <Lathiat> to me?
[08:14] <tseng> yes.
[08:15] <Lathiat> tseng: can you open gedit or evolution, detach the toolbar by dragging it off, then see if you can drag it back into the docked state?
[08:15] <herve> StoneTable, I remember changelog entries from DDs saying they forgot to add their new patch to 00list :-)
[08:15] <tseng> no, i cant put it back atm
[08:15] <StoneTable> $ cat 00list 01fix-alarm-c-bmp
[08:15] <Lathiat> yeh same here, so not just me and will file a bug
[08:15] <herve> Lathiat, it's stuck
[08:15] <Lathiat> tseng: you can get the draggers focus
[08:15] <Lathiat> and hti enter
[08:15] <Lathiat> and it will re-dock
[08:16] <Lathiat> or just restart the app
[08:16] <Lathiat> thanks
[08:16] <StoneTable> patch minus the extension, right?
[08:16] <tseng> yes
[08:16] <tseng> that looks right
[08:17] <StoneTable> okay, looks like something in my rules then.  I'll keep hacking on it
[08:18] <StoneTable> something with the way it's applied via rules that's different
[08:18] <herve> StoneTable, you fixed the ubuntu revision number?
[08:18] <StoneTable> herve:  yep
[08:18] <StoneTable> but then I found something else I should be doing different, so I'm fixing that :)
[08:19] <herve> np
[08:24] <herve> ogra, I think I've got the same temperature problem as you
[08:24] <herve> what did you do in the end?
[08:25] <ogra> herve, take my laptop off the pillow to make sure the air can circulate better
[08:26] <ogra> herve, you got an amd64 ?
[08:26] <herve> arf
[08:26] <herve> no, a simple p4m
[08:27] <herve> but I already know laptops are not to be chocked :-)
[08:27] <ogra> herve, does the file /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRC/temperature exist on your system ?
[08:28] <herve> s/THRC/THRM yes
[08:28] <herve> temperature:             52 C
[08:28] <herve> I'll wait to compile python-kde :-/
[08:29] <ogra> i have a little tool for my system tray, i'll upload a tgz for you, might be necessary to adjust the path a bit
[08:29] <herve> I had a tool for toshiba to force the fan on
[08:30] <herve> I don't know for dell
[08:30] <ogra> www.grawert.net/cputmp.tgz
[08:31] <herve> you're using gnomecanvas? ;-)
[08:31] <ogra> as i said, adjust the THERM_ZONE variable in cputmp.py and just run it...
[08:32] <herve> it seems I need to install some egg.trayicon
[08:32] <ogra> oops, indeed
[08:33] <herve> found
[08:33] <herve> apt-file rocks :-)
[08:33] <ogra> yeah
[08:34] <herve> gulp! 55 C
[08:35] <herve> better go to dinner while it's cooling :-)
[08:35] <ogra> mine is going over 70 from time to time...
[08:36] <herve> I don't find the point of an amd64 in a laptop, anyway ;-)
[08:36] <herve> see you later
[08:36] <ogra> ciao
[09:11] <herve> strange... it won't cool below 49C
[09:12] <ogra> herve, mine is lowest at 42
[09:12] <ogra> but the averages is 47
[09:12] <ogra> -s
[09:13] <herve> I don't expect a "little" p4 mobile cpu to heat that much
[09:13] <herve> especially when doing nothing for a quarter of jour
[09:13] <herve> hour
[09:14] <ogra> probably you need to blow a bit cool wind into the case :-P
[09:14] <herve> I have a usb fan to plug in case ;-)
[09:14] <herve> I removed the media base to see
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[09:26] <StoneTable> okay. xmms-alarm-bmp1 should probably be put into the morgue.  It depends on beep-media-player <0.9.6.1.  0.9.7 is in hoary, and it does not work with either xmms or bmp in hoary (makes xmms segfault, bmp doesn't even recognize it)
[09:27] <StoneTable> should I put that in MorgueProposal?
[09:27] <ogra> StoneTable, ok, then put it on the MorgueCandidates list :) thanks for investigating :)
[09:28] <StoneTable> okay, np. On to the next one
[09:28] <ogra> yeah :)
[09:29] <herve> yeah!
[09:29] <herve> let's get rid of those unmaintained crack ;-)
[09:29] <ogra> yeah
[09:29] <ogra> and pull in other unmaintained crack from apt-get
[09:29] <ogra> .org
[09:30] <herve> yeah! and python-kde too! it's incompatible with latest libraries!
[09:30] <ogra> go on :)
[09:30] <herve> yeah! enthusiasm!
[09:46] <herve> it can't seem to go below 42C. I guess I can't expect more
[09:49] <herve> good
[09:49] <herve> I can't compile C++ code
[09:50] <herve> it heats the laptop like hell :-)
[09:52] <dholbach> hey
[09:53] <herve> yo Daniel!
[09:53] <dholbach> tseng: thanks for your mail
[09:53] <dholbach> hey herve
[09:53] <dholbach> tseng: and for AptGettingOrg :-)
[09:56] <dholbach> tseng: funny thing is: mxpxpod (bryan forbes, mr. coaster) said to me coaster wasnt ready, so i stopped my packaging attempts; i'm was flabbergasted as you are, when i read his blog entry about it
[09:56] <dholbach> if it's ready now *shrug* get it in
[10:02] <dholbach> hey herve :-)
[10:04] <herve> do you remember than command-line utility
[10:04] <herve> to launch another command with regular intervals?
[10:19] <tseng> dholbach: wb
[10:47] <trulux> where's tritium?
[10:48] <dholbach> maybe out... on a sunshiny day
[10:50] <trulux> :)
[11:08] <herve> er...
[11:08] <herve> dholbach, ?
[11:09] <dholbach> herve: !
[11:09] <herve> what if I sollicitate you to upload "burn"
[11:09] <herve> which is ready for 24h now :-)
[11:11] <dholbach> hahaha
[11:11] <dholbach> dpkg-source: extracting burn in burn-0.4.2
[11:11] <dholbach> tar: Read 5120 bytes from -
[11:11] <dholbach> tar: burn/docs: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 01:00:00
[11:11] <dholbach> tar: burn: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 01:00:00
[11:11] <dholbach> ESOFTWARETOOOLD
[11:11] <herve> ;-)
[11:13] <dholbach> shall i   touch -m   it?
[11:13] <ogra> good idea :)
[11:13] <herve> can't tell
[11:14] <dholbach> oh.. tar/whatever did it itself
[11:14] <dholbach> ah no... orig.tar.gz won't be changed
[11:15] <herve> which is kinda what you except from a "orig" file ;-)
[11:15] <dholbach> herve: done
[11:16] <herve> thank you!
[11:17] <herve> tell me you gave it a quick review :-)
[11:17] <herve> I'm not totally reliable these times
[11:17] <dholbach> a brief one
[11:18] <herve> just a debdiff would reassure me
[11:19] <dholbach> not that many uploads today :-)
[11:20] <herve> yes
[11:20] <herve> I'm still stuck with those sip4/qt/kde hell's angels :-)
[11:20] <dholbach> :-)
[11:21] <dholbach> i have a good excuse as well, was busy with lists and playing-drums-and-eating-pizza-with-a-charming-girl today ;-)
[11:22] <herve> excuse accepted!
[11:22] <dholbach> thanks :-)
[11:28] <tritium> good afternoon :)
[11:28] <dholbach> hey tritium
[11:28] <tritium> What's up dholbach ?
[11:28] <herve> houba!
[11:28] <tritium> Hi herve
[11:29] <dholbach> tritium: did they convey my message to you? concerning the shlibs-message of krecipes?
[11:29] <tritium> dholbach, no.  Who's they?
[11:29] <dholbach> erm
[11:29] <tritium> But I know which 2 lintian warning you're referring to
[11:29] <dholbach> whoever was in the channel after i went to bed ;-)
[11:29] <tritium> I dicussed that with amu
[11:29] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:29] <dholbach> did you find out if those libraries are needed?
[11:29] <dholbach> i mean... to be installed?
[11:30] <dholbach> if not, you might have a look at mlview
[11:30] <dholbach> they handle it nicely in debian/rules
[11:30] <tritium> mlview?
[11:30] <tritium> oh, okay.
[11:30] <dholbach> yeah... had to have a look at their code and then remembered
[11:30] <tritium> amu and I read up on that, and found out that in the case of small binary packages that require a few libs, it's okay
[11:31] <dholbach> if the binary is compiled against their own libraries and those aren't to be installed you can remove them in the post-install target
[11:31] <dholbach> else lintian will assume you want to install them and argues about missing shlibs files
[11:32] <dholbach> erm post-compile
[11:32] <dholbach> sorry
[11:32] <tritium> dholbach, okay.  I'll double-check
[11:32] <tritium> dholbach, this is what I was referring to: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tnon-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink.html
[11:32] <tritium> 3rd paragraph
[11:33] <dholbach> ah yes
[11:33] <tritium> But I'll try to find out if they can be completely removed instead.
[11:34] <dholbach> yeah
[11:34] <tritium> dholbach, so, did anybody else review the package?
[11:35] <herve> lintian would be much funnier if reports by maintainer where sorted in violation order
[11:35] <herve> not alphabetical one :-)
[11:35] <herve> s/where/were
[11:35] <dholbach> haha herve
[11:35] <dholbach> tritium: did amu review it?
[11:35] <tritium> dholbach, yes, some time ago
[11:36] <dholbach> did he make a note?
[11:36] <tritium> he told me to fix up some lintian warnings, which I did, and it looked good
[11:36] <tritium> No, but ogra reminded him to about 2 days ago
[11:36] <tritium> I don't know if he ever responded to ogra or even got his /msg
[11:36] <dholbach> i'll push someone towards it
[11:36] <tritium> Thanks.
[11:36] <dholbach> :-)
[11:36] <dholbach> de rien
[11:36] <ogra> tritium, i only pinged him with a messeage in -devel, he didnt answer
[11:37] <tritium> ogra, okay, thanks :)
[11:37] <ogra> just waiting for his comment on the page, i'm willing wave it through blindly then (even if its not my normal practice)
[11:38] <tritium> Thanks, ogra.
[11:38] <tritium> we had quite a night/early morning in #ubuntu last night
[11:39] <ogra> np
[11:39] <tritium> There was a racist incident
[11:40] <tritium> luckily lamont as able to kick/ban him.
[11:40] <tritium> I'm glad they discussed getting ops for #ubuntu at the last CC meeting
[11:41] <dholbach> yeah... even without those guys it's hard to read anything in #ubuntu scroll-wise
[11:41] <herve> I came to the conclusion that...
[11:41] <herve> either python-kde or me is fscked up :-/
[11:43] <herve> I quit
[11:43] <dholbach> herve: take an easy Xorg-buildproblem
[11:43] <dholbach> :-)
[11:44] <herve> that's what I'm thinking of
[11:44] <dholbach> although they're hard to spot on the list
[11:44] <herve> but I wanted that python transition to finish
[11:46] <herve> here I am!
[11:46] <herve> free to handle that xorg transition!
[11:47] <dholbach> you have to cherrypick them from the lists
[11:48] <dholbach> but i'm preparing new ones ... hahahahaha
[11:48] <dholbach> but i'll preserve those already fixed
[11:48] <herve> er... which am I supposed to consult?
[11:48] <ogra> oh, god, someone give him his pills !!!
[11:48] <dholbach> UniverseDoesNotBuild
[11:49] <herve> dholbach, I prefer you as WikiMaster than ListMaster ;-)
[11:49] <herve> ogra, even that girl would not have calm him down ;-)
[11:49] <ogra> hehe
[11:51] <herve> xorg and xosd lists seem over
[11:51] <dholbach> but not all xorg-buildproblems ever appeared there
[11:52] <dholbach> most of those reverse-depending on liballegro* should be b0rked
[11:52] <dholbach> (like atanks)
[11:53] <herve> the DesktopFile transition seems endless!
[11:53] <dholbach> E_NOTPRIMARYTARGET :-)
[11:53] <dholbach> 1) buildable 2) installable 3) clickable
[11:54] <herve> dholbach, I just was giving a tour to all our lists
[11:54] <ogra> herve i still would prefer a script generating them...
[11:54] <dholbach> herve: i know :-)
[11:54] <ogra> (.desktop files)
[11:55] <herve> is the unmetdep list reliable?
[11:56] <dholbach> yes, but you can make up your own :-)
[11:56] <dholbach> apt-get -i unmet | less
[11:57] <tritium> dholbach:
[11:57] <tritium> rimbert@ubuntu:~ $ objdump -p /usr/bin/krecipes | grep NEEDED
[11:57] <tritium>   NEEDED      libkrecipesexporters.so.0
[11:57] <tritium>   NEEDED      libkrecqsqlite.so.0
[11:58] <tritium> (among others)
[11:58] <tritium> Does that only specify build dependencies?
[11:59] <dholbach> you could just try :-)
[11:59] <dholbach> and see, if they're REALLY needed ;-)
[11:59] <tritium> try removing the libs and seeing if it works?  okay, I'll dothat
[12:00] <tritium> do that