[12:00] <[nrx] > heh
[12:00] <airox> btdownloadheadless would also work
[12:00] <galactus> I need some help here, ubuntu did not recognised my sound, from ABIT NF7-S2, what can I do?
[12:01] <[nrx] > galactus, www.alsa-project.org
[12:01] <WeirdAl> that's well handy
[12:01] <WeirdAl> cheers xuesheng
[12:01] <galactus> thank you nrx
[12:01] <[nrx] > np
[12:01] <xuesheng> how do you decide which /etc/init.d script gets started on boot up?
[12:02] <[nrx] > xuesheng chmod -x /etc/init.d/file
[12:02] <eyequeue> xuesheng:  man update-rc.d for explanation
[12:02] <[nrx] > removes them from startup
[12:02] <xuesheng> eyequeue: thanks -- that's what I was looking for
[12:02] <eyequeue> np
[12:02] <xuesheng> [nrx] : simple as it could be ;)
[12:03] <[nrx] > yup :)
[12:03] <[nrx] > easy peasy
[12:03] <eyequeue> xuesheng:  actually, his will disable them completely, not just at startup
[12:03] <osity> Temporary failure in name resolution    <------ how do i get rid of this error when trying to restrt ssh
[12:03] <xuesheng> eyequeue: yeah, I can't /etc/init.d/whatever start if it's -x -- I'll read that mapage for more
[12:04] <eyequeue> xuesheng:  +x them again, before going too far :)
[12:04] <[nrx] > xuesheng, yeah. -x is a very lazy and sometimes dangerous way of doing it :)
[12:04] <airox> Why doesn't gdm allow logins with password containing & chars ?
[12:05] <[nrx] > im off to bed.
[12:05] <[nrx] > nite all
[12:06] <djp> any python programmers here?
[12:07] <dabugas> any one know a gnome program capable of handling excel files?
[12:08] <tvelocity> dabugas, openoffice, gnumeric
[12:08] <dabugas> tvelocity: oh, thanks
[12:08] <dabugas> i'd forgoteen i had openoffice
[12:09] <bi3zt> is there somewhere a channel about vsftpd ?
[12:11] <knoppix> I need to grep /dev/hda1. but when I run 'grep foo /dev/hda1', I simply get "binary file /dev/hda1 matches"
[12:13] <airox> Is there some possiblity to get evolution working with hotmail ? Like it fetches everything from hotmail ??
[12:13] <knoppix> airox:  Probably not.
[12:13] <knoppix> airox:  But, really, why would you want to use hotmail?
[12:14] <blueyed> sorry, had to restart.. :/ (the CD seemed to hang). Would there be any chance to have some kind of dump? (I was thrown back to some textmode and am using the Live version)
[12:14] <airox> knoppix, I have my reasons (security related).
[12:14] <knoppix> Anyone in here familiar with data forensics?
[12:14] <mackid> airox, get a gmail account..
[12:14] <airox> i already got one.
[12:14] <osity> airox: do i need to add something to the hosts file for ssh?
[12:15] <airox> and also have other accounts.
[12:15] <airox> osity, Can you ping google.com for example ?
[12:16] <airox> osity, What's the contents of the hosts file ?
[12:16] <osity> the internet works on that mahine
[12:16] <calvin> anyone else having a problem with Frozen Bubble in Hoary?
[12:16] <osity> i just chaged the ip to an internal one.
[12:16] <knoppix> calvin: try 'killall esd'
[12:16] <osity> instead of DHCP i set it up as manual ....
[12:17] <phxguy> Question: has anyone had any success with using thier ipod shuffle with the new version of gtkpod??
[12:17] <calvin> knoppix, thx, i tried it but still get "segmentation fault" when i try to run frozen-bubble
[12:18] <mak> hey, all, I have the hoary preview, its currently downloading like 306 updates. are those the array 7 updates?
[12:19] <osity> local host file just has loopback address
[12:20] <calvin> anyone else able to run Frozen Bubble in Hoary?
[12:20] <blueyed> What was the player called again? anamarok?
[12:21] <mjr> calvin, lemme see
[12:21] <bi3zt> who knows vsftpd and can tell me some things  ?
[12:21] <Sniper^> does anybody know if TDA9800 sound chip for FM tuner cards is supported in horray?
[12:22] <phxguy> mark, my synapic is only showing 12 update to be done
[12:22] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:22] <airox> bi3zt, hit us/me!
[12:22] <airox> hi confrey
[12:22] <blueyed> ah, amarok.
[12:22] <osity> airox is it a problem if I change the ip in the network settings?
[12:22] <mdke> can someone give me a hand? I need a list of the dependencies of the package "speedtouch" from universe. Can anyone do this for me? Would appreciate version numbers too, if so please let me know if its hoary or warty
[12:22] <confrey> when will hoary be stable?
[12:22] <calvin> april 6th
[12:23] <calvin> last i heard
[12:23] <mak> phxguy, are you talking to me?
[12:23] <airox> osity, No.
[12:23] <mjr> calvin, seems to run ok
[12:23] <randabis> confrey, April 6th
[12:23] <blueyed> calvin, is it possible to upgrade from a preview then? or better to have a clean install?
[12:23] <calvin> yes, upgrading from preview should be no problem
[12:23] <calvin> i just upgraded from Warty
[12:23] <phxguy> mark you were asking about updates right...... just sayin im only showing 12 updates iz all
[12:23] <calvin> that's the beauty of Debian based systems
[12:24] <randabis> you'd just need to do an apt-get update, followed by an apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:24] <blueyed> Great. I'm enjoying it a lot already! :)
[12:24] <randabis> yeah it rocks
[12:24] <calvin> you should never have to reinstall
[12:24] <phxguy> Ok one more time.....Question: has anyone had any success with using thier ipod shuffle with the new version of gtkpod??
[12:24] <mak> randabis, that's all you woudl need to do in warty to get to hoary?
[12:24] <blueyed> I did not even install yet.. using the live cd..
[12:24] <calvin> although on occasion you might find it quicker to reinstall than hunt down a problem...
[12:25] <randabis> mak, no, you'd need to change /etc/apt/sources.list first
[12:25] <calvin> but i have never resorted to a reinstall
[12:25] <confrey> I'm working with qdvdauthor; I think there is  problem; I started the creation of dvd, but nothing happen; top tell me there are two istances of qdvdauthor, about 47% and 46%; what can I do?
[12:25] <mak> randabis, would you recommend that at this point? is it stable enough for general use?
[12:26] <randabis> depends on what you mean by stable
[12:26] <mak> hmm... well, i suppose if they say hoary will be out April the 6th, it might be worth it to wait?
[12:26] <blueyed> at least the live cd just hang itself the 2nd time here.
[12:26] <blueyed> yes, mak
[12:26] <randabis> if you mean, will it crash a lot, then yes, it's perfectly stable, and has been for months
[12:27] <mak> lol
[12:27] <randabis> err, I mean that it doesn't crash
[12:27] <mak> ok, that sounds better
[12:27] <randabis> I've been using hoary since early february
[12:27] <osity> airox it just started working with ssh!! :)  although i did change anything.....
[12:28] <mak> i have it on my laptop, but it still has issues... like shutting down for one
[12:28] <ubuntoid> mak, What kind of issue shutting down?
[12:29] <mak> ubuntoid, it doesnt seem to be able to do that. it just kind of freezes and I just have to hit the power button
[12:29] <ubuntoid> mak, Oh, okay... I just installed it on mine, but haven't really gotten to the shutdown point yet
[12:29] <mak> I'm hoping this set of 306 updates might fix that
[12:29] <phxguy> what iz a kernel panic???
[12:29] <airox> osity, yahoo! :D
[12:30] <airox> phxguy, It means the computer will blow within 10 seconds.
[12:30] <andril> hello all
[12:30] <airox> 306 updates ...
[12:30] <phxguy> lol
[12:30] <airox> wow :D
[12:30] <airox> hi andril
[12:30] <andril> who els is liking the new GDM?
[12:30] <phxguy> seriouly though.... I have gotten a coupllle kernel panic when shutting down....
[12:30] <randabis> I had 499 updates yesterday
[12:30] <airox> andril, Which new GDM ?
[12:30] <andril> airon: what's up
[12:31] <randabis> I hadn't updated this machine in some time though
[12:31] <mak> i thought 306 was somethign
[12:31] <andril> the new Hoary GDM setup
[12:31] <airox> 36 updates waiting for me ...
[12:31] <supos> how can a file that is suid root do something different when run as a regualr user than when run as root?
[12:31] <Zugot> hoary has been pretty good to me lately
[12:31] <airox> but it complains about some eavesdropper because it can't find my mouse :
[12:31] <airox> :S
[12:31] <phxguy> andril: Whats new about it??? I have it but really notice anything new
[12:31] <mak> so, does that mean, those are the updates with the current work being done with hoary, or are those just security updates?
[12:31] <Zugot> just wish i could get everything working with amd64
[12:31] <dabugas> buhbye
[12:32] <phxguy> didnt notice i mean
[12:32] <conffrey> I'm working with qdvdauthor; I think there is  problem; I started the creation of dvd, but nothing happen; top tell me there are two istances of qdvdauthor, about 47% and 46%; what can I do?
[12:32] <osity> airox....so now it wont let me transfer files there from a windows client.  Permissions?
[12:32] <blueyed> Zugot, what problems do you have with amd64?
[12:32] <Zugot> conffrey, you could try searching the qdvdauthor mailing list
[12:32] <airox> osity, You want to use sftp ?
[12:33] <Zugot> blueyed, a few vmware issues...  and i can't use my vpn software.  other than that, it isn't too bad
[12:33] <osity> airox: Im not sure what that is.... im using winscp to login
[12:33] <Zugot> blueyed, but i need actually work on this laptop, so i've switched back to x86 for the short term
[12:33] <airox> osity, Could be sftp isn't enabled. Check for sftp in the sshd_config file.
[12:34] <osity> what is that?
[12:34] <blueyed> Zugot: ok, I'm waiting for my box to arrive. I suppose you are on Hoary?
[12:34] <airox> osity, sftp can be disabled.
[12:34] <xuesheng> is sshd on by default with ubuntu?
[12:34] <Zugot> blueyed, of course... the new hoary is pretty good
[12:34] <airox> xuesheng, no.
[12:34] <Zugot> xuesheng, openssh-server isn't installed by default
[12:34] <osity> xuesheng ...i wish....no
[12:34] <xuesheng> ok, I got a little affraid there :P
[12:35] <airox> hehe
[12:35] <blueyed> what's kfmclient?
[12:35] <xuesheng> I'm downloading hoary right now, call me a convert in a few hours...
[12:35] <blueyed> amorak uses it as a default browser.
[12:35] <will> mmm i like nero linux!
[12:36] <osity> airox : where is the sshd_config file.
[12:36] <airox> osity, /etc/ssh/ :)
[12:36] <elmaya> nerolinux sucks ass
[12:36] <andril> phxguy: it looks more like Ubuntu is being reborn - beautiful!
[12:36] <knoppix> I'm grepping a partition, and I've found the deleted files that I want to recover (they're text files, so they're easy to reconstruct), but I can't figure out how to find the file contents.  grep has found the file names of the deleted files, but nothing more
[12:37] <knoppix> elmaya: It's on its first release; it _might_ improve with time.
[12:37] <BuffaloSoldier> good morning
[12:37] <BuffaloSoldier> *yawn*
[12:37] <airox> evening BuffaloSoldier
[12:37] <knoppix> Any grep gurus about?
[12:37] <bi3zt> does every user have his own bash ?
[12:38] <zyga> bi3zt: ?
[12:38] <bi3zt> and what happens if it gets deleted ?
[12:38] <BuffaloSoldier> hi airox
[12:38] <blueyed> knoppix, ask.
[12:38] <scott> where do I find out what the latest version of a package is in ubuntu over the web? (I don't have it installed)
[12:38] <airox> bi3zt, Every user can login and then use bash. It's just a program.
[12:38] <osity> airox : ok ...config fiels open ...what am i looking for?
[12:38] <knoppix> scott: apt-cache policy foo
[12:38] <zyga> bi3zt: sudo rm `which bash` && bash
[12:38] <airox> bi3zt, It interpretes commands in order to let the user do useful stuff.
[12:38] <knoppix> scott: where "foo" == "the name of the program you want"
[12:38] <bi3zt> but why is it in the home dir of a non priviledged user then ?
[12:39] <airox> bi3zt, The program doesn't reside in the home dir of a non privilideged users.
[12:39] <scott> knoppix, I'm not running ubuntu. I'm trying to find out what it has to decide if I want to install it
[12:39] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  what is it that you are worried about in your $HOME ?
[12:39] <airox> (don't mind my english, to much beer)
[12:39] <geppy> scott: Ah, yes.  Are y ourunning Linux, or Windows?
[12:39] <zyga> bi3zt: it's probably in /bin or /usr/bin
[12:39] <scott> geppy, livecd for gnome2.10
[12:39] <bi3zt> well i'm trying to fix a ftp server in linux and when i login there is this 2 files with bash in the name
[12:39] <airox> scott, Tried the livecd ?
[12:39] <geppy> scott:  I suppose thta you could go to the package lists, and just read through them, in the repositories.
[12:40] <scott> so actually, I guess I am actually running ubuntu
[12:40] <airox> bi3zt, You can safely delete them.
[12:40] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  and a dot in front, right?
[12:40] <geppy> scott: heh =)
[12:40] <bi3zt> y
[12:40] <zyga> bi3zt: .bashrc and .bash_profile ? ;] 
[12:40] <scott> there's no package search page?
[12:40] <bi3zt> y that r them :O
[12:40] <geppy> scott: There is, let me look for it.
[12:40] <mak> wow,the new updates are pretty sweet
[12:40] <airox> scott, apt-cache search <search term> and there is offcourse synaptic.
[12:40] <airox> Just get yourself a live cd ;)
[12:40] <airox> and enjoy.
[12:41] <warty> just a line
[12:41] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  your home directory is where you store per-user configuration data
[12:41] <geppy> Way to pay attention, airox!
[12:41] <airox> geppy, ??
[12:41] <geppy> scott: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[12:41] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  those files are your configuration for the shell, not something to worry about
[12:41] <bi3zt> and the shell is the user ?
[12:42] <thriller> hallo :)
[12:42] <airox> bi3zt, The shell is a program that interprets commands given by the user.
[12:42] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  no, the shell is the shelll, the user uses the shell to get things done
[12:42] <maxchee> does HAL work with kernel 2.4.x?
[12:42] <airox> thriller, hi.
[12:42] <thriller> is anybody German here?
[12:42] <osity> airox : ok ssh config file is open ...what do i change to enable sftp?
[12:42] <bi3zt> that is what i mean, but what did those files do there ?
[12:42] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  those files are your configuration for the shell, not something to worry about
[12:42] <osity> I can login in but cant copy over files
[12:42] <airox> osity, Check if there is something like /usr/lib/sftp-server
[12:43] <maxchee> are there any virtual pc software that support kernel 2.6 (other than vmware)
[12:43] <Akira> god i hate telus
[12:43] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  they store your personal preferences, and modifying them allows you to change the behaviour of the shell
[12:43] <bi3zt> is it possible with vsftpd to let a user b somewhere else ?
[12:43] <bi3zt> not in the home ?
[12:43] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  read through them and you will see they are not a danger to you
[12:43] <kyncani> maxchee: qemu ?
[12:44] <maxchee> kyncani:performance?
[12:44] <airox> bi3zt, When a user is created unix copies some files from /etc/skel to the new home dir of the user. Those files are part of it on your system.
[12:44] <osity> airox : nothing in there like that.  everything seems to be commented
[12:44] <kyncani> maxchee: good
[12:44] <maxchee> kyncani: and does it support windows?
[12:44] <maxchee> kyncani: does it require i686?
[12:44] <airox> osity, Nice!
[12:44] <kyncani> maxchee: i don't support windows
[12:44] <kyncani> :)
[12:44] <airox> osity, Then ubuntu ships a default secure config ;)
[12:44] <maxchee> kyncani: it doesn't support hosting windows, right?
[12:44] <osity> hehe
[12:44] <kbrooks> airox, and no, unix does not copy
[12:45] <kyncani> maxchee: qemu does support windows i think (but i don't)
[12:45] <osity> so how do I get in there?
[12:45] <airox> kbrooks, ok. adduser does .
[12:45] <airox> osity, add this to sshd_config: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/ssh/sftp-server
[12:45] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  what gave you the idea that those files were a danger to you?
[12:46] <bi3zt> well : i just don't like having people watch those files :P
[12:46] <shnastybiznastic> what do I have to add in to the mount command to let users view and read from it?
[12:46] <airox> osity, Check if /usr/lib/ssh/sftp-server exists btw.
[12:46] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  watch them?
[12:46] <maxchee> airox?
[12:47] <bi3zt> hehe
[12:47] <airox> maxchee, ?
[12:47] <maxchee> airox: what are you trying to achieve?
[12:47] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  iyou can chmod them to 600 if you like, though i don't see why
[12:47] <airox> maxchee, getting sftp to work ?
[12:47] <kbrooks> shnastybiznastic, -o users,uid=username,gid=group
[12:47] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  chmod 600 ~/.bash*
[12:47] <kbrooks> fill in username and group
[12:48] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  no sudo on that
[12:48] <bi3zt> k
[12:48] <kbrooks> shnastybiznastic, you might want to add umask=022
[12:48] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  then only you can read or write to them
[12:48] <shnastybiznastic> kbrooks, thanks.  what's the default group id for the user that's created when you install?
[12:48] <kbrooks> shnastybiznastic, *checks*
[12:49] <eyequeue> shnastybiznastic:  1000
[12:49] <eyequeue> shnastybiznastic:  same as uid btw
[12:49] <maxchee> can anyone give me a list of usable pc virtualization softwares that support running windows on linux?
[12:49] <maxchee> with kernel 2.6 and i586 architecture (not i686)
[12:49] <kbrooks> maxchee, qemu, vmware, bochs, plex86
[12:49] <eyequeue> wine seems to be the default
[12:50] <stephen-> Hi everyone, I was hoping someone could help me with my partitioning delema.. would you like me to explain?
[12:50] <blueyed> maxchee, Wine is not an emulator and VMWare (or was it Virtual PC)?
[12:50] <kbrooks> eyequeue, wine isnt pc virtualization sw
[12:50] <eyequeue> wtf does that term mean then?
[12:50] <maxchee> bluefoxicy: wine is more like an implementation of win32 api on linux
[12:50] <kbrooks> sw -- software.
[12:51] <kbrooks> eyequeue, pc virtualization means like emulating HARDWARE
[12:51] <osity> airox:  i got bad configuration error when restarting ssh....where was I supposed to write that  Subsystem part
[12:51] <eyequeue> kbrooks:  he said windows, which isn't hardware
[12:52] <gangalino> I'm having problems getting Totem to work
[12:52] <airox> osity, on a seperate line.
[12:52] <airox> osity, Could you give me the exact error ?
[12:52] <kbrooks> eyequeue, no, but it means monitor
[12:52] <kbrooks> etc
[12:52] <kbrooks> net card
[12:52] <gangalino> everytime I start it, I get "Failed to create a GStreamer play object"
[12:52] <kbrooks> etc etc etc etc etc
[12:52] <osity> I put it right at the bottom of the file....
[12:53] <eyequeue> windows means monitor?  okay, i don't live on your planet apparently
[12:53] <airox> *sigh*
[12:53] <kbrooks> eyequeue, grrrrrrrrr
[12:53] <kbrooks> no
[12:53] <airox> slap him kbrooks ! ;)_
[12:53] <kbrooks> eyequeue, did i imply that? no
[12:53] <osity> Airox :    bad configuration option : Susbsystem
[12:54] <Positron> Good evening. :)
[12:54] <airox> osity, Subsystem it is. not Susbsystem
[12:54] <kbrooks> eyequeue, windows does not mean monitor
[12:54] <airox> evening Positron
[12:54] <eyequeue> kbrooks:  desist with the violence, and i'll recommend you reread your own words, goodbye, i don't need this
[12:54] <tritium> hello Positron
[12:54] <Positron> hi there!
[12:54] <Positron> whazzup? :)
[12:54] <kbrooks> fuck him
[12:54] <Positron> Me?
[12:54] <kbrooks> no
[12:54] <Positron> a.
[12:54] <kbrooks> euequeue
[12:54] <airox> Positron, We have some bitch fights.
[12:55] <Positron> i se.
[12:55] <airox> ;)
[12:55] <Positron> see.
[12:55] <Positron> :>
[12:55] <osity> Airox :    bad configuration option : Subsystem 1 bad configuration option
[12:55] <Positron> Anyway, Ive got a problem to resolv. :)
[12:55] <osity> i had is spelled right..just a typo in here
[12:56] <Positron> erm, after i set up my chroot environment...
[12:56] <airox> osity, Have to go now. Just got a word from my boss. Need to work tomorrow.
[12:56] <Positron> there popout a new mount called .dev.
[12:56] <airox> :(
[12:56] <Positron> do you know what is all about?
[12:56] <osity> ok thanks ....have a good weeekend!
[12:57] <airox> ... ty ;)
[12:57] <airox> Happy easter for some of you!
[12:57] <kbrooks> i think ill delete gentoo and free up the space
[12:57] <Positron> Ubuntu is the right choice! :>
[12:58] <Positron> Anyway, any ideas?
[12:58] <Positron> Gonne to /dev/null ?
[12:59] <Positron> Cmon...stay with me..
[12:59] <xuesheng> is it possible to play dvds with totem-gstreamer ?
[12:59] <xuesheng> encrypted ones that is
[12:59] <kbrooks> Positron, not daring to make indentical boots
[12:59] <kbrooks> Positron, i need another distro!
[12:59] <mjr> dih dum, upgrading to hoary on my laptop too...
[12:59] <benjanet> when i try to burn an audio CD on K3B from mp3, i get a message of "unsupported format". Any ideas ?
[01:00] <kbrooks> like...........
[01:00] <kbrooks> hmmm. brb.
[01:00] <Positron> :>
[01:00] <kbrooks> if i can boot my fd, then i should be able to neinstall
[01:00] <kbrooks> net*
[01:00] <kbrooks> floppy drive
[01:00] <kbrooks> brb
[01:00] <Positron> Use the force!
[01:01] <mak> hey, does anyone know what this means? :W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:01] <kbrooks> mak: run apt-get update
[01:01] <mak> ok
[01:02] <ells> tritium: I need a little assistance
[01:02] <gangalino> anyone got Totem running?
[01:02] <tritium> ells, what's up?
[01:02] <pvoce> anyone else run into this with nvidia-glx drivers?  "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0""
[01:03] <ells> tritium: I reparitioned and installed and the video card is not set up right
[01:03] <tritium> ells, which one?  I forget what you have.
[01:03] <ells> tritium: nvidia
[01:03] <tritium> it seems everyone and their brother is having nvidia trouble today
[01:03] <pvoce> tritum: no kidding
[01:04] <tritium> pvoce, but I'm not...
[01:04] <ells> tritium: I hear ya
[01:04] <tritium> calvin was in here earlier with the same problem as pvoce
[01:04] <tritium> ells, are you having pvoce's problem also?
[01:04] <ells> tritium: whats his problem
[01:04] <tritium> ells, scroll up
[01:05] <Positron> Heyho, is it normal to have a directory called /.dev after dchroot intallation?
[01:05] <pvoce> I dbt think its xog.conf, as both load dri and load glx are uncommented
[01:05] <ells> tritium: I cant, I just got onhere
[01:05] <pvoce> er...xorg.conf
[01:05] <tritium> oh, yeah, I see now
[01:06] <ells> tritium: what was his issue
[01:06] <ells> tritium: the resolution seems to be set low or something
[01:06] <tritium> pvoce, care to share it again?
[01:06] <mjr> Positron, yeah, it's basically the /dev before udev takes over
[01:07] <pvoce> sure..I get the following error when initiated some applications:
[01:07] <pvoce> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[01:08] <ells> tritium: can you help me fix it
[01:08] <pvoce> both "load dri" and "load glx" are uncommented, and both nvidia kernel source and driver are same versin
[01:08] <tritium> ells, possibly
[01:08] <ells> tritium: what should I do first
[01:09] <tritium> pvoce, usually you comment out "GLcore" and "dri"
[01:09] <blueyed> anyone using amarok? it has a "Engine" config tab, but there are no engines in the dropdown (like xine or gstreamer).
[01:09] <tritium> ells, but you can't get into a gnome-session?
[01:09] <ells> tritium: I am logged in, but the resolution seems low
[01:09] <xuesheng> blueyed: are there no amarok-engine packages?
[01:09] <Positron> mjr: Ok, tnx. I'm just asking beacause after I've rebooted i couldn't login with normal user...and that /.dev (which wasn't there before) was really suspicous. :)
[01:10] <Zugot> whats the newest nvidia module version?
[01:10] <tritium> pvoce, that error is in your /var/log/Xorg.0.conf?
[01:10] <tritium> 6629
[01:10] <Zugot> damn... i still gotta wait
[01:10] <tritium> no biggie
[01:10] <ells> tritium: how can I up the resolution
[01:11] <tritium> Zugot, it's not like something is wrong with it
[01:11] <|QuaD-> april first is almost upon us
[01:11] <WeirdAl> what?
[01:11] <tritium> ells, I don't suppose you backed up your old xorg.conf ?
[01:11] <WeirdAl> Why?
[01:11] <blueyed> xuesheng, I've seen the the last time, but must have been from universe probably.
[01:11] <rowan> Hey guys, remember my troubles? Permission problems and the like after a fresh install?
[01:11] <ells> tritium: nope, I did a total reinstall, sorry
[01:11] <Zugot> tritium, yes there is something wrong with it... it doesn't display 1280x800 on my laptop
[01:11] <tritium> ells, you're the reinstall master ;)
[01:11] <ells> tritium: wish I would have though
[01:12] <ells> tritium: this is the lsat
[01:12] <tritium> ells, okay, paste it on pastebin
[01:12] <ells> okay
[01:12] <rowan> Well, I managed to find another copy of Ubuntu, this one of a mag cover cd. It has exactly the same problems as my other copies...
[01:12] <ells> tritium: sorry to ask, but where is it kep
[01:12] <ells> kept
[01:12] <tritium> ells, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:12] <pvoce> Tritoch|L: its not showing....I just get a "Cant Creaet Window...exiting" error
[01:12] <tritium> pvoce, I never got a reply from you
[01:13] <rowan> Anyone think of a reason I might be having these problems?
[01:13] <ells> tritium: pastebin.org?
[01:13] <Jentoo000> i havent went in my ubuntu for a while now.. lol did the new release come out yet?
[01:13] <tritium> ells, please
[01:13] <tritium> Jentoo000, not until April
[01:13] <pvoce> sheesh...I cant type tontie:(
[01:13] <rowan> Gnome fails to log me in because it doesn't have permission to write to my home directory
[01:13] <ells> tritium: okay
[01:14] <WeirdAl> have people been talking to me or something?
[01:14] <Jentoo000> tritium: i think im going to try to install wine ;)
[01:14] <tritium> ells, poor AZ has to play Illinois now
[01:14] <Jentoo000> tritium: I'm a newbie but i know what im doing
[01:14] <tritium> Jentoo000, you might like wine and winetools off of winehq
[01:14] <ells> tritium: they are playing now
[01:14] <rowan> Jentoo000, you stuck on Optus shit-band too?
[01:14] <tritium> Jentoo000, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[01:14] <tritium> ells, I know
[01:14] <Jentoo000> rowan: lol why is it shit?
[01:14] <pvoce> Tritoch|L: do I need to comment out the "load glx" statement ?
[01:15] <tritium> pvoce, no, you need that one
[01:15] <rowan> Jentoo000, because I only get 3.5KB/s
[01:15] <Jentoo000> i have optus cable
[01:15] <pvoce> tritium: I thought so
[01:15] <blueyed> xuesheng, I think it's bad to have amarok packages in the default repositories, but the engine in universe..
[01:15] <ells> tritium: it is there
[01:15] <tritium> ells, url?
[01:15] <rowan> Jentoo000, so am I.
[01:16] <ells> sorry
[01:16] <Jentoo000> my limits finished :(
[01:16] <Jentoo000> where do i open up  Synaptic
[01:16] <tritium> pvoce, I had asked if that error was in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
[01:16] <ells> http://www.pastebin.com/263170
[01:16] <rowan> anyone give me any advice?..
[01:17] <Jentoo000> tritium: where do i open up Synaptic
[01:17] <tritium> Jentoo000, are you on Hoary?  I don't remember for Warty.
[01:17] <ells> tritium: did you see the url
[01:17] <Jentoo000> umm i forgot i think warty
[01:17] <tritium> Jentoo000, System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager in hoary
[01:17] <tritium> Jentoo000, if you're in Warty, look under Computer
[01:18] <tritium> ells, yes, just multitasking ;)
[01:18] <Jentoo000> im just going to do it by console
[01:19] <ells> tritium: cool
[01:19] <tritium> ells, 8 to 4
[01:19] <ells> tritium :sorry
[01:19] <tritium> ells, first, you're using the "nv" rather than "nvidia" module
[01:19] <calvin> so anyone have any ideas why i might be getting a "segmentation fault" trying to run Frozen Bubble?
[01:20] <ells> tritium: how to fix
[01:20] <calvin> i'm starting to suffer from withdrawal
[01:20] <tritium> calvin, any luck with nvidia?  pvoce is having similar troubles
[01:20] <tritium> ells, drop down to a v.c.
[01:20] <ells> okay
[01:20] <grogoreo> hi
[01:21] <Guilmon> and the nvidia driver :)
[01:21] <mak> anyone know why i'm not able to get 'acroread' in hoary?
[01:21] <rowan> Anyone know why after a fresh install the user created at startup doesn't have write permissions on their home directory?
[01:21] <grogoreo> i have a Radeon 9600 pro card and want to know how I can get the drivers working for it. Can I use apt?
[01:21] <rowan> This has hapened on all three of my copeis of ubuntu
[01:21] <tritium> mak, you need ftp.nerim.net repository.  see ubuntuguide.org for more info
[01:22] <mak> ok. thanks
[01:22] <tritium> sure
[01:22] <funky> hi
[01:22] <funky> where must i set the modules that i want to load at boot time ?
[01:22] <Guilmon> 1650FPS with my GeforceFX 5200 card :)
[01:23] <Guilmon> using default size of the window
[01:23] <tritium> funky, /etc/modules
[01:23] <Guilmon> oh excuse me.. 1722 FPS
[01:23] <yahalom> i installed kernel 2.6.11-1-386 and now everytime i log in it freezes, i'm in failsafe mode now
[01:23] <yahalom> can someone help me?
[01:23] <grogoreo> how can i see if I am using XFree86 or Xorg?
[01:23] <tritium> yahalom, 2.6.10-5 is the latest supported kernel
[01:23] <funky> tritium: thanks
[01:23] <yahalom> tritium: so how do i revert what i did?
[01:24] <tritium> yahalom, what architecture are you on?
[01:24] <tritium> funky, sure
[01:24] <yahalom> tritium: how do i uninstall 2.6.11
[01:24] <yahalom> 386
[01:24] <tritium> yahalom, let's first install a new kernel
[01:24] <St0n3-C0l> yahalom: Same problem here :)
[01:24] <St0n3-C0l> Use default one
[01:24] <St0n3-C0l> thats better
[01:24] <yahalom> ok
[01:24] <tritium> yahalom, sudo apt-get install linux-386
[01:24] <rowan> in 30 seconds I'm going to wipe Ubuntu and install Fedora... there is no point hanging around using a system that doesn't install correctly.
[01:24] <yahalom> tritium
[01:25] <tritium> rowan, it does install correctly
[01:25] <yahalom> i'm using xchat from the console
[01:25] <tritium> what's the problem?
[01:25] <yahalom> how can i open a new console so i can do the commands?
[01:25] <tritium> yahalom, can you switch to another?
[01:25] <Skaaa> this question is not related to ubuntu, but I need help resolving a seperate problem dealing with dual monitors
[01:25] <rowan> tritium, yes, from three diff CDs, all have the same troubles on first boot
[01:25] <tritium> yahalom, you're not in X?
[01:25] <tritium> rowan, did you check their md5sums?
[01:25] <yahalom> tritium: no, x freezes
[01:25] <yahalom> tritium: i'm in failsafe mode
[01:26] <rowan> Eh?
[01:26] <umibozu> there are xfce4 packages for hoary ?
[01:26] <tritium> yahalom, okay.  Alt-RightArrow to get to the next V.C.
[01:26] <Skaaa> can someone assits me with a problem I am having with dual monitors?
[01:26] <tritium> or Ctrl-Alt-F2, or F3-F6
[01:27] <tritium> rowan, when you downloaded the .iso images, did you verify that the md5sum was correct?
[01:27] <rowan> tritium, two of the CDs where ordered from the ubuntu site, and one is a cover cd from a mag.
[01:27] <tritium> rowan, okay
[01:27] <inter_> I moved my harddrives from SATA to regular IDE last night and have been unable to get linux to boot properly after the switch.  Does anyone have suggestions on what I can do to get linux to boot again? (updated fstab and grub already)
[01:27] <yahalom> tritium: its not doing anything
[01:27] <tritium> rowan, perhaps you need a kernel boot paramater such as noacpi or noapic
[01:27] <pvoce> ok...back
[01:27] <pvoce> tritium: where were we?:)
[01:27] <yahalom> tritium: i think i tried installing the kernel again as u mentioned and it told me that i already have the latest one
[01:27] <tritium> yahalom, oh, right, you're in single-user mode
[01:27] <tritium> pvoce, one momnt
[01:27] <tritium> moment
[01:28] <yahalom> tritium: yep
[01:28] <ells> tritium: do you want me to let it autodetect
[01:28] <rowan> tritium, what do they do?
[01:28] <tritium> yahalom, when you quit xchat, do this:  sudo apt-get install linux-386
[01:28] <pvoce> tritium: np
[01:28] <yahalom> tritium: is it possible that when i'll do that it will say that i already have the latest version?
[01:29] <tritium> rowan, noacpi disables acpi.  nolapic disables local apic.  You say it just freezes when booting?
[01:29] <tritium> yahalom, I don't know.  Do you have 2.6.10-5 installed?
[01:29] <tritium> pvoce, so what's your status?
[01:29] <yahalom> tritium: it was my previous kernel, then i update to 2.6.11-1
[01:29] <rowan> tritium, no... it never freezes. There are permission errors once they are sorted out the gnome desktop is all barfed, only 3 fonts are usable
[01:30] <tritium> yahalom, there are no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.11, so it's not really supported, especially if you need nvidia or ati
[01:30] <pvoce> tritium: nothings changed. Still the same "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." error
[01:30] <tritium> yahalom, I'd just dpkg --purge it
[01:30] <tritium> pvoce, okay, sorry...
[01:30] <ells> tritium: do you want me to enable the kernel framebuffer
[01:31] <tritium> rowan, I've never heard of that happening to anybody so far
[01:31] <Tekmaven> hey guys
[01:31] <tritium> ells, no
[01:31] <rowan> :(
[01:31] <Jentoo000> i tried editing my nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and this came up E: Malformed line 21 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[01:31] <Jentoo000> 
[01:31] <ells> okay
[01:31] <yahalom> tritium: what do u mean? i dont know ho wto use the dpkg command t remove things ;(
[01:31] <tritium> Jentoo000, you have a syntax error somewhere
[01:31] <Tekmaven> got a quick questoin about apt/dpkg/etc
[01:31] <tritium> yahalom, how about apt-get remove --purge linux-2.6.11
[01:31] <Jentoo000> tritium: man how am i going to fix it now
[01:32] <tritium> (provide the correct package name)
[01:32] <tritium> Jentoo000, paste is on pastebin and somebody can help you find the error
[01:32] <Jentoo000> pastebin?
[01:32] <ells> tritium: should I enable the GLCore by default
[01:32] <tritium> ells, no!
[01:32] <yahalom> tritium: k man. i'll try it, if not i'll be back. thanx. i appreciate it
[01:32] <ells> tritium: cool
[01:32] <tritium> ells, no GLcore and no dri
[01:32] <rowan> tritium, I'm going to install Fedora, I don't think there is much chance of this working. Perhaps next release.
[01:33] <tritium> rowan, you might want to try the latest Hoary install CDs rather than that Warty CD you have
[01:33] <Tekmaven> mono and all of its various packages are the stable 1.0.x version in the Ubuntu repositories... but i'm running a CVS version of mono... and I'd liek to install an app that depends on mono, and of course apt wants to install the older version of mono
[01:33] <ells> tritium: okay
[01:33] <Jentoo000> tritium: whats a pastebin?
[01:33] <mak> tritium, my update manager now has a couple of 'woody' packages. is it wise not to get those?
[01:33] <tritium> ells, you need to provide all the resolutions you want, too
[01:33] <rowan> tritium, I have to wait for a hard copy to be available
[01:33] <tritium> Jentoo000, www.pastebin.org
[01:33] <Tekmaven> is there a way that i can mark the mono packages as installed, but not actually install them?
[01:33] <tritium> it's a website for pasting things so we can review them
[01:33] <tritium> rowan, sorry...
[01:33] <rowan> tritium, thanks anyhow, later
[01:33] <Jentoo000> tritium: sites under construction
[01:34] <tritium> mak, like Acrobat 7.0
[01:34] <tritium> ?
[01:34] <Tekmaven> i believe it's www.pastebin.com
[01:34] <Tekmaven> lol
[01:34] <tritium> Tekmaven, thanks
[01:34] <FishCrossing> yeah, I already have windows xp on my computer, im gonna partition the hard drive so ubuntu can use 30 gigs, do I need to use a bootloader? Or can i just partition, pop in the cd, istall, and have dual os's?
[01:34] <knoppix> Is it possible to tell grep to being its selection with a certain string, and end it with another?
[01:34] <mak> tritium, libdv4
[01:34] <tritium> mak, one second
[01:34] <knoppix> as far as I can tell, you can only start the selection with a certain string, and then set the length to be selected (in lines)
[01:35] <Jentoo000> so i write down what the problem is??
[01:35] <mak> it says New version: 0.103-woody2
[01:35] <Jentoo000> and ill get a response?
[01:35] <Tekmaven> FishCrossing: ubuntu includes the "GRUB" bootloader, you should be fine.
[01:35] <dex1> Hi, I'm still struggling with the Ubuntu install. I was in here yesterday and've now managed to reboot after the custom install (custom becaus it's an old system w/small HD & low RAM). I'm trying to follw this guide: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html. The pacakage installing part "apt get ..." threw me as the PC has no modem connection. But someone in here pointed me to a repository and I now have the pacakges (deb files) burned on CD; 
[01:35] <FishCrossing> So, I just partition, pop in the cd, restart, follow instructions, and all will be well?
[01:35] <ells> trituim: I started it over, cause I think I enabled something I shouldnt have. should the memory in kb, be 64000
[01:35] <tritium> mak, yeah, those are in ubuntu main
[01:36] <mak> so they're ok
[01:36] <tritium> mak perhaps you're not using the right repo
[01:36] <Tekmaven> can anyone address my question?
[01:36] <tritium> ells, I have only 5 minutes left before I have to get going
[01:36] <mak> well, i think i'll hold off on  them for now
[01:36] <Tekmaven> mono and all of its various packages are the stable 1.0.x version in the Ubuntu repositories... but i'm running a CVS version of mono... and I'd liek to install an app that depends on mono, and of course apt wants to install the older version of mono... is there a way that i can mark the mono packages as installed, but not actually install them?
[01:36] <dex1> I googled for help and it suggested "mount /mt/cdrom" but I just get "mount: can't find /mt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab".
[01:36] <ells> tritium: I hear ya
[01:36] <Tekmaven> dex1: you need to tell mount where to mount the cdrom ;-)
[01:37] <dex1> tek: Ah, thank you.
[01:37] <tritium> ells, the important things are documented in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[01:37] <ells> okay
[01:37] <tritium> ells, and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[01:37] <dex1> tek: Anytime you feel like giving more specific info is good for me. *grin*
[01:37] <bleb_> hi, does hoary support pcmcia network swapping as easily as, say, winslows XP? (and how is it possible to make it "scan new hardware" after the installation?)
[01:37] <Tekmaven> dex1: try: mkdir /mnt/cdrom
[01:37] <Tekmaven> then
[01:37] <pvoce> ugh...I think I found it...the dang card is listed as PCI, even though its an AGP card
[01:37] <Tekmaven> mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[01:38] <dex1> Ubuntu is really not as user-friendly (at least on older PCs) as I'd hoped. Okay, trying those mount commands now :)
[01:38] <tritium> pvoce, no, that's fine
[01:38] <Tekmaven> then, ls /mnt/cdrom and you should see the cdrom files :-)
[01:38] <knoppix> If noone here can help, is there somewhere where I could go for help with grep?
[01:38] <pvoce> ugh...then why does it crated whenever I hit the OpenGL?
[01:38] <knoppix> e.g. and IRC channel
[01:38] <tritium> knoppix, man grep?
[01:39] <bleb_> thoughts?
[01:39] <dex1> bingo
[01:39] <knoppix> tritium:  Been there. =/
[01:39] <dex1> :)
[01:39] <ells> tritium:  Write default DRI section to configuration file?
[01:39] <knoppix> tritium:  I'm wondering if it's possible to do a to-from type thing with grep.
[01:39] <tritium> ells, go for it
[01:39] <knoppix> tritium:  I'm grepping for a string, but I want to be able to take output all the way up to the time a next string is found.
[01:40] <knoppix> tritium:  What do I need to do to do that?
[01:40] <yahalom> tritium: thanx man it worked. really appreciate it. saved all my work and now my wife wont kill me either. be well ;)
[01:40] <dex1> I see the files listed that're on the CD. Is there a sort've wildcard option to install all packages there on the CD?
[01:40] <ells> tritium I will restart now
[01:40] <tritium> ells, okay.  I'll get going soon.  If I don't see you, take care.
[01:40] <tritium> ells, bookmark that URL!  ;)
[01:40] <ells> okay, cool
[01:40] <will> how do i remove all the kubuntu stuff through synaptic?
[01:41] <tritium> knoppix, sorry, I am on my way out the door.  I suggest you read the manpage more carefully
[01:41] <scott> anyone know what the root password is on the ubuntu livecd?
[01:41] <|QuaD-> will: i can tell you how to do it through apt
[01:42] <knoppix> This answer isn't in the manpage.  I'm assuming that grep doesn't have this functionality.
[01:42] <will> |QuaD-: yes thanks that works for me!
[01:42] <Jentoo000> with the pastebin site do i just copy paste my error or do i explain my error/
[01:42] <knoppix> does anyone know of a program that I could use to make a selection between "string1" and "string2" from input?
[01:42] <dex1> scott, trying both just pressing enter and also using the password that you set for the user pwd when it asked
[01:42] <scott> dexl, this is the gnome 2.10 live cd actually, and it never asks for a user pwd
[01:43] <dex1> It asks me and then after a few times one of those works
[01:43] <|QuaD-> will: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs4
[01:43] <dex1> scott: Then ignore my advice. :)
[01:43] <dex1> ls
[01:43] <knoppix> scott:  Does sudo not "just work"?
[01:43] <dex1> oops
[01:43] <bleb_> does hoary support pcmcia network swapping as easily as winXP? (and how is it possible to make it "scan new hardware" after the installation?)
[01:43] <knoppix> scott:  I haven't used it, but, obviously, I'm on knoppix right now, and sudo "just works" on knoppix
[01:44] <pvoce> brb...restarting X
[01:44] <bleb_> anyone?
[01:45] <blueyed> does synaptic put logfiles somewhere?
[01:45] <blueyed> I've installed amarok without universe repository and though it depends on amarok-engines this had not been installed..!?
[01:45] <geneo93> var log ?
[01:45] <blueyed> this is a bug isn't it?
[01:46] <dex1> So having mounted the CD in the drive using mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom (having made a directory with mkdir /mnt/cdrom), I can list the files on that CD via ls /mnt/cdrom - the dev files. Is there a way I can install them all with a wildcard option or something? "install /mnt/cdrom *.*" or suchlike?
[01:46] <geneo93> no you need depends
[01:46] <dex1> *deb not dev
[01:46] <blueyed> geneo93, what do you mean?
[01:47] <dex1> ls
[01:47] <geneo93> you cant install sonething without all the libs and other things it needs
[01:47] <WeirdAl> Can someone give me an example of how to add a new launcher to my Applications > System tools menu in Hoary purleeze?
[01:48] <WeirdAl> I believe it's different from warty
[01:48] <FishCrossing> do you need a bootloader if you install ubuntu on a windows pc
[01:48] <FishCrossing> ?
[01:48] <WeirdAl> No
[01:48] <WeirdAl> Well you do, but it'll install GRUB for you
[01:48] <blueyed> but it installed amarok and amarok-arts, but amarok also depends on amarok-engines, geneo93.
[01:48] <geneo93> FishCrossing:  yes
[01:49] <blueyed> So this looks like a bug, doesn't it?
[01:49] <geneo93> well you need the other files it requires
[01:49] <FishCrossing>  so if I have a partition for ubuntu, I install ubuntu to that partition, and I follow all the directions properly, everything should work?
[01:50] <WeirdAl> Scratch the system tools thing -- it's already there! :)
[01:50] <geneo93> FishCrossing:  yes
[01:51] <eruin> WeirdAl: in the future
[01:51] <eruin> , /usr/share/applications/ is the place to look
[01:51] <FishCrossing> and when I partition i have to partition it to be a FAT32 partition?
[01:52] <WeirdAl> thanks
[01:52] <dex1> fish, not the linux one no
[01:52] <geneo93> FishCrossing:  ext3 but the installer will do that for you
[01:52] <blueyed> Can I use different locales / languages for different users when I install Ubuntu?
[01:52] <FishCrossing> the installer will partition for me?
[01:52] <dex1> gene is correct.
[01:52] <dex1> fishcr. yes.
[01:53] <geneo93> dex1:  dont you know about tab complete
[01:53] <SiRrUs> good evening guys
[01:53] <dex1> geneo: My experience with *nix period let alone just Ubuntu began ... yesterday.
[01:54] <dex1> Hence my installation questions. :)
[01:54] <geneo93> well most irc clients do it
[01:54] <dex1> I did the same thing as Fish was trying to do though (dual boot partitions)
[01:54] <calc> welcome to eunuchs
[01:54] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get the gaim away window to minimize?
[01:54] <dex1> gene: you lost me sry.
[01:54] <geneo93> dex1:  i have 7 oses on this box
[01:55] <dex1> I'm using Trillian on a Windows platform anyway.
[01:55] <geneo93> well that should support tab complete
[01:55] <dex1> which IS?
[01:55] <mackid> geneo93, 7 OS's?
[01:56] <geneo93> mackid  yes
[01:56] <SiRrUs> geneo93 which ones
[01:56] <geneo93> 4 nix and 2 beos and win98se
[01:56] <mackid> geneo93, wow.. lol.  get rid of win98se :-P.. win2k is the only way to go if you NEED windoze
[01:57] <mackid> =P
[01:57] <CarlK> is there a .deb for webmin?
[01:57] <geneo93> suse mandrake slack ubuntu phosb5 and R5
[01:57] <DemonTears_> anyone know how to print arabic font ?
[01:57] <eruin> how about apt-get install webmin? :P
[01:57] <geneo93> mackid:  not for me i dont use it much
[01:57] <crimsun> geneo93: sorry, not familiar with Kppp
[01:57] <CarlK> that better not work...
[01:58] <eruin> CarlK: it's in universe
[01:58] <nickweb> hey guys and gals.. does anyone know how to register for the shipit section?
[01:58] <CarlK> hmm, I thought I had that enabled
[01:58] <geneo93> crimsun:  is there a way to see output after connect
[01:58] <crimsun> geneo93: for...?
[01:58] <FishCrossing> wait, so I dont have to do anything in windows xp? I can just download the disk image to my windows xp desktop, burn the disk image, restart my computer, follow instructions, and i'll be able to have to os's?
[01:59] <CarlK> guess not - thanks eruin
[01:59] <geneo93> crimsun:  after it connects it disconnects
[01:59] <pepsi> ping
[01:59] <CarlK> pug
[03:00] <geneo93> then redials
[03:00] <thingy> FishCrossing, i assume your not talking about using the live cd and so please back up anything you value in windows xp before you go on with the installation.
[03:00] <crimsun> geneo93: check /var/log/daemon.log
[03:00] <geneo93> k
[03:00] <geneo93> i've been using pon and poff
[03:00] <FishCrossing> but if everything goes right should it work that way?
[03:01] <WeirdAl> can anyone tell me: a) should qtparted be able to resize NTFS partitions and b) if not, what can I use instead?
[03:01] <dex1> So now I'm at the point (post reboot after custom install) where I have the packages [.deb ]  on CD and can show the files on it via ls /mnt/cdrom. How do I install them all?  :/ The tutorial I was following was for a connected PC so I had to divert from the whole apt get thing.
[03:01] <crimsun> WeirdAl: there's ntfsresize, but I can't recommend it.  It would be safer to boot using a Partition Magic boot disk.
[03:01] <geneo93> WeirdAl:  use diskdrake
[03:01] <mackid> nothing in windows xp should be valued.. pft.
[03:01] <|QuaD-> would it be useful to make a apt plugin for beagle?
[03:01] <WeirdAl> I can use a PM disk but most of my friends can't...
[03:01] <WeirdAl> I'll look into diskdrake.
[03:01] <dex1> mack: His documents sharing the XP partition are probably valued by him.
[03:02] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:02] <crimsun> |QuaD-: I'm sure _someone_ would find it useful.
[03:02] <mackid> dex1: okay, fair enough
[03:02] <dts> i have a laptop and i want to boot the live cd but it doesn't boot on my external cd drive
[03:02] <|QuaD-> crimsun: hmm, maybe once the developers put beagle in, thats what i will make
[03:02] <WeirdAl> Is it in a repository?
[03:03] <geneo93> dts:  doesn't f12 give you boot options
[03:03] <scott> does the ubuntu install cd come with anythign that can resize fat32 partitions?
[03:03] <nickweb> dts, does you're motherboard support booting from external devices?
[03:03] <geneo93> scott:  yes
[03:03] <blueyed> How can I get the build of Ubuntu?
[03:04] <dex1> My guess of "install /mnt/cdrom/*.*" doesn't work for the deb files on the CD. It complains the last argument isn't a directory.
[03:04] <WeirdAl> The flamin' diskdrake site's not working.
[03:04] <dts> geneo93, nickweb i tried all kinds of boot options and it supports to boot of it
[03:04] <Zugot> that status of beagle is still up in the air
[03:04] <dts> the kernel loads but it can't access the cd drive
[03:04] <scott> geneo93, what?
[03:04] <Zugot> cool concept... not stable enough to be practical yet
[03:04] <nickweb> dts, i have had similar problems (different distros tho).. Download something called Smart Boot Manager
[03:04] <nickweb> and boot from the floppy, then select youre external drive..
[03:05] <dex1> blueeyed: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[03:05] <geneo93> qparted scott
[03:05] <calc> install is not for packages
[03:05] <blueyed> dex1, I want to know the build number/version I'm actually using.
[03:05] <scott> geneo93, so during the ubuntu install it will run qparted and I can resize my windows partition before installing ubuntu?
[03:05] <nickweb> dts, http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[03:05] <dts> nickweb, the problem is not that the kernel wont boot but the program tries to populate from the boot cd from hd[a-d] 
[03:05] <calc> its part of coreutils its mean to copy files directly
[03:05] <geneo93> yes scott
[03:06] <calc> s/mean/meant/
[03:06] <WeirdAl> geneo93, can you suggest somewhere to get diskdrake other than linux-mandrake.com/diskdrake? I can't seem to find it.
[03:06] <dts> nickweb, do you understand what i mean? I can actually load the kernel and i get a basic prompt from the cd
[03:06] <dts> nickweb, but it doesn't mount /dev/sda and load it
[03:06] <geneo93> scott just hope you know how
[03:06] <dex1> calc: The tutorial [http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html]   mnadated I use apt-get install blahpackagename. Being as that PC has no modem connection I instead had to burn the .deb packages onto CD on anbother PC and the CD's now in the drive of the installation PC.
[03:07] <dex1> But although I can ls /mnt/cdrom the files I can't install them
[03:07] <dex1> any ideas?
[03:07] <crimsun> does /mnt/cdrom have a Packages.gz ?
[03:08] <geneo93> dext it not mnt its media
[03:08] <dex1> crimsun: not that I know of?
[03:08] <calc> dex1: ah i thought you meant just "install"
[03:08] <Artanis> this is interesting. my videolan client shows the video, but without sound, and totem plays sound and doesnt show the video
[03:09] <calc> dex1: install the program is not part of apt-get
[03:09] <calc> apt-get install is different
[03:09] <geneo93> dex1:  did you do apt-get addcdrom
[03:09] <WeirdAl> crimsun, how risky is ntfsresize?
[03:09] <geneo93> WeirdAl:  you can loose all
[03:10] <dex1> calc: I do want to install them. From the CD. So that I'm done with the CD with the six deb files on. :( But no matter how many times I try to RTFM through Google, the Ubunti wiki etc. I get nowhere. I can't use apt-get because the installation PC has no modem connection. It's an old PC hence the low RAM custom install :(
[03:10] <crimsun> WeirdAl: I can't speak for its stability, but someone I know was careless with it and destroyed his ntfs partition.
[03:10] <WeirdAl> oh. I don't want that then.
[03:10] <crimsun> WeirdAl: then again, if one is careless with any tool, it can be detrimental.
[03:10] <WeirdAl> I'm getting a 550 error when I try to get diskdrake, and I can only seem to find one source for it :-(
[03:11] <kdp> has anyone noticied that gconf is beginning to resemble a registry?
[03:11] <geneo93> kdp:  i dont use it
[03:12] <kdp> is it only a gnome thing?
[03:12] <geneo93> yes i use kubuntu
[03:12] <dex1> heneo: No, the apt-get command won't help since that PCs not connected to the 'net or online period. I've mounted the CD - the CD I burned with the deb files on it but have no idea how to install the darn things
[03:12] <dex1> *geneo
[03:13] <calc> dex1: there are cdrom lines for the apt sources.list file
[03:13] <geneo93> dex1:  you dont need connection for apt to work if files are local
[03:13] <calc> but if it is just a cd you burned with random debs that won't work
[03:13] <calc> you would need to use dpkg -i
[03:14] <kdp> a very disturbing development....
[03:14] <dex1> cacl: it is just a CD I burned with random debs, yep. Those cited in the guide for older PCs needing a low diskspace/RAM install
[03:14] <dex1> "dpkg -i /mnt/cdrom/*.*" or something?
[03:15] <geneo93> dex1:  dpkg -i filename
[03:15] <slurpas> i cant play any .mp3 or .avi files with xmms or totem.. maby i need some codex.. can i apt-get them?
[03:15] <geneo93> cd into that dir
[03:16] <calc> if you used dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive you could setup a repo on your hd that you could at and use apt-get
[03:16] <kdp> slurpas: with the marillat repo
[03:16] <dex1> does it allow wildcards like *.deb? The filenames are long, basically there's six on the CD plus a further bunch in a subdirectory of the same CD.
[03:16] <calc> slurpas: install totem-xine from universe
[03:16] <calc> dex1: tab completion works as well
[03:16] <geneo93> calc:  he needs to get them off cdrom
[03:16] <dex1> Cool, I'm in the /mnt/cdrom directory now.
[03:16] <calc> dex1: eg type dpkg -i (first letter)[tab] 
[03:16] <shank_> hi calc
[03:17] <dex1> calc: I have no idea what tab completion means sorry.
[03:17] <calc> dex1: hit tab
[03:17] <calc> actually on a empty line hit tab twice and see what it does
[03:17] <slurpas> hmm..
[03:17] <slurpas> apt-get install totem-xine ?
[03:17] <dex1> On the PC I'm typing this on (ie. the one w/out ubuntu on it). ok, after the colon: _d4vid
[03:17] <geneo93> dex1:  put a few of the first letters in name of
[03:17] <calc> then try a[tab] 
[03:17] <slurpas> *noob*
[03:18] <kdp> slurpas: just installing totem-xine wont get you proprietary codecs
[03:18] <calc> well probably a then two tabs to make it complete
[03:18] <kdp> see the ubuntu wiki page for more
[03:18] <calc> kdp: it won't?
[03:18] <calc> xine plays them
[03:18] <slurpas> ok..
[03:18] <kdp> calc: didnt work for me....
[03:18] <calc> kdp: hmm ok
[03:18] <slurpas> so there is no "all package codec" ? :(
[03:18] <kdp> there is...in the marillat repo
[03:18] <slurpas> what is that?
[03:19] <kdp> see the ubuntu wiki page, search for "restricted formats"
[03:19] <slurpas> thx
[03:19] <kdp> calc: me too.....
[03:19] <Uscfan> hey everyone
[03:19] <dex1> Seems to be working . It did something anyway when I tabbed after the letter 'i'. It complained errors were encountred with uninstalled libs though. ah well. I'll try playing around with it
[03:20] <andy__> gday everyone..how do i delete a folder that says i am not the owner
[03:20] <kdp> the regular repos only support free codecs, right? so that would mean mp3, a proprietary codec, wouldnt be in universe or multivetrse
[03:20] <calc> kdp: i don't have anything special installed other than totem-xine here
[03:20] <kdp> thats weird......
[03:20] <Uscfan> i am a linux nurdnoob and i wanna know if anyone knows how to make gnome sexy!
[03:20] <geneo93> dex1:  you need the libs installed first
[03:20] <Uscfan> i am familiar with kde, but like, what is metacity and all that
[03:20] <calc> i probably can't play dvd's though ;)
[03:20] <kdp> calc: yeah, ud need libdvdcss2
[03:21] <calc> kdp: yep i know, i noticed i didn't have that installed which is why i doubt i can play dvd :)
[03:21] <kdp> damn U.S. govt!
[03:21] <calc> but i can play mp3/divx/etc
[03:21] <geneo93> kdp:  get it anyway
[03:21] <Vjaz> Uscfan: Metacity is the GNOME window manager
[03:21] <kdp> hahaha i did
[03:21] <kdp> a long time ago
[03:21] <kdp> just a random damnation
[03:22] <Uscfan> ok so gnome is not a window manager?
[03:22] <geneo93> kdp:  may need dvdread also
[03:22] <kdp> uscfan: correct, gnome is a desktop environment
[03:22] <sharp> i'm having trouble with getting wireless to work
[03:22] <Uscfan> oh yeah, my friend thinks that gnome is pronounced gah-nome
[03:22] <Uscfan> isnt it like garden gnome
[03:22] <kdp> geneo93: i have dvds workingg :-)
[03:22] <calc> Uscfan: it is
[03:22] <geneo93> ahh ok
[03:22] <calc> Uscfan: er gah-nome
[03:22] <Uscfan> it is?
[03:23] <Uscfan> guhnome
[03:23] <kdp> now, y would it be pronounced that way.....so weird
[03:23] <calc> though i like garden gnome better ;)
[03:23] <Uscfan> me too
[03:23] <calc> its pronounced like gnu
[03:23] <calc> since it stands for gnu ....
[03:23] <kdp> lol
[03:23] <calc> gnu network object model environment (iirc)
[03:23] <Uscfan> gnu is not gnome
[03:23] <kdp> gnu's not unix!
[03:23] <geneo93> kinda like knife
[03:23] <Uscfan> gnu is like new
[03:23] <calc> and gnu is prounouced gah -new
[03:23] <sharp> ubuntu freese at "* Configuring network interfaces"... what should i do
[03:23] <Uscfan> g is silent
[03:23] <Uscfan> really?
[03:24] <kdp> wait, really to who
[03:24] <Uscfan> ok so enough of this weird talk lmao
[03:24] <Anubis> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main are these dead?
[03:24] <crimsun> gnu-like, like calc said.
[03:24] <Uscfan> my laptop will not install gnome
[03:24] <crimsun> guh-new
[03:24] <xuesheng> do you get that annoying popup dialog when running the root terminal in hoary?
[03:24] <Uscfan> it freezes at some sort of ACPI something orother
[03:24] <Uscfan> it doesnt even get to the installer
[03:24] <Uscfan> :(
[03:24] <DemisM> and latex is pronounce latech :(
[03:24] <Uscfan> and i have about 150 ubuntu cd;s i cant even install it
[03:24] <Uscfan> oops
[03:24] <DemisM> I pronounce it lateks
[03:24] <kdp> .......150?
[03:25] <syn-ack> Its La Tech
[03:25] <Servo888> Doesn't ubuntu have a gui installer? The debian one works fine, but just thought it would have something better =\
[03:25] <syn-ack> with a hard a
[03:25] <Uscfan> Ok correction, I cannot install UBUNTU, my laptop freezes during the boot before the installer at some sort of Power something or other, any ideas? will the latest version of ubuntu (5.x)work???
[03:25] <crimsun> Servo888: ubuntu's installer is based on debian sarge's
[03:25] <WeirdAl> crimsun, is ntfsresize what it uses when you edit the partition tables at install time?
[03:25] <crimsun> Uscfan: tried the hoary preview?
[03:25] <Uscfan> no ma'am
[03:26] <Servo888> crimsun, yup that's what it looks like.
[03:26] <WeirdAl> The website suggests it is but I'm not sure if I'm understanding it correctly.
[03:26] <calc> Uscfan: have you updated the bios on your laptop if available/
[03:26] <Uscfan> what improvments does hoary have
[03:26] <calc> Uscfan: many laptop bios are crummy
[03:26] <WeirdAl> And I know that warty didn't support it.
[03:26] <Uscfan> calc: mine is kinda crummy too, compaq 2195US but compaq's have tons of problems anyway
[03:26] <kdp> Uscfan: ooooooo let me count the ways...a biggie: more updated packages
[03:26] <crimsun> WeirdAl: hoary has apci updates
[03:26] <Uscfan> lol
[03:26] <calc> Uscfan: compaq regularly update their bios so they may have better ones
[03:26] <crimsun> WeirdAl: err, sorry
[03:27] <Uscfan> ok ill give hoardy a try, but the sad thing is is have around 250 ubuntu CD's
[03:27] <crimsun> Uscfan: hoary has acpi updates
[03:27] <WeirdAl> It happens.
[03:27] <Uscfan> of the origional warty
[03:27] <kdp> wait, you went from 150 to 250
[03:27] <Uscfan> original*
[03:27] <Uscfan> i kow
[03:27] <kdp> thats quite alot
[03:27] <Uscfan> i have 150 x86
[03:27] <Uscfan> or 170 i think
[03:27] <calc> Uscfan: give them to other people, warty works on plenty of systems out there
[03:27] <kdp> r u @ USC?
[03:27] <Uscfan> and then PPC and AMD
[03:27] <kdp> and distributing them?
[03:27] <Uscfan> no im nto at usc, i am just north of LA
[03:27] <Uscfan> i want to distribute them, but where
[03:28] <kdp> hahaha, try USC?
[03:28] <calc> Uscfan: at your LUG?
[03:28] <Uscfan> lol i wish i had a lug
[03:28] <kdp> colleges
[03:28] <calc> or compsci classes, etc
[03:28] <Uscfan> w0ot i shall give them away
[03:28] <geneo93> Uscfan:  take them to the library
[03:28] <calc> Uscfan: usc doesn't have a lug?
[03:28] <Uscfan> i dont go to usc
[03:28] <calc> ah
[03:28] <Uscfan> i am in high school
[03:28] <Uscfan> :\
[03:28] <kdp> ah, use the liveCD @ school!
[03:29] <crimsun> hey now.
[03:29] <Uscfan> i do
[03:29] <calc> take them to the local LUG in the city you live in
[03:29] <kdp> teach those admins something about computers
[03:29] <Uscfan> well at school i use Slax
[03:29] <Uscfan> lol
[03:29] <calc> most bigger cities at least have LUGs
[03:29] <kdp> what is a LUG? linux user group?
[03:29] <Uscfan> but ubuntu is cool, im not doggin on it
[03:29] <crimsun> kdp: yes
[03:29] <Uscfan> kdp: yes
[03:29] <kdp> ah
[03:29] <Uscfan> CLUg would be mine, Clark Linux Users Group
[03:29] <Uscfan> my high school is called Clark
[03:30] <kdp> .........you have enough people at your high school using linux to have its own group?
[03:30] <Uscfan> no
[03:30] <Uscfan> like 5 maybe
[03:30] <Uscfan> its a small school
[03:30] <steve__> anyone familiar with UT2004
[03:30] <kdp> UT2004?
[03:30] <Uscfan> mainly i use linux at school becuase our IT department are fucking morons and insalled novell on everything with restrictions and crap
[03:30] <Uscfan> unreal tournament
[03:30] <kdp> university at texas?
[03:30] <kdp> oh lol
[03:30] <steve__> kdp: yes
[03:30] <geneo93> Uscfan:  you can take cds to scholl lib then
[03:31] <Uscfan> yeah
[03:31] <Uscfan> we are a tech school
[03:31] <Uscfan> it sucks balls
[03:31] <Uscfan> but there are comps everywhere
[03:31] <dex1> So using that dpkg command from the /mnt/cdrom directory it copes fine with the 'update' deb. But with all the others, e.g. icewm it complains various libraries it's dependent upon aren't installed. The debs in question are those mentioned in the http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html guide; which I'm using since it's a low-spec PC. The debs were burnt to a CD as that PC has no modem connection so I can't use that apt-get command suggested i
[03:31] <steve__> Uscfan: I loaded it and am getting an error
[03:31] <Uscfan> loaded it into linux or iwndows
[03:31] <steve__> Uscfan: linux
[03:31] <Uscfan> hmmm
[03:31] <Uscfan> well what error?
[03:31] <steve__> Uscfan: some glx error
[03:31] <Uscfan> well i have no idea
[03:31] <Uscfan> i am not the person to ask
[03:31] <kdp> whats your graphics card?
[03:31] <dex1> How do I proceed? Connecting that old PC to the Interney isn't an option, sadly.
[03:31] <steve__> Uscfan ;I am using nviida
[03:32] <kdp> ah
[03:32] <Uscfan> i am a nooblet
[03:32] <Uscfan> i have no idea
[03:32] <kdp> steve__: did you dl nvidia-glx
[03:32] <kdp> from synaptic
[03:32] <steve__> kdp: dl
[03:32] <Uscfan> download the drivers??? nVidia is really good about linux compatibility
[03:32] <kdp> download
[03:32] <steve__> kdp: I did originally, I can see if there is an update
[03:33] <kdp> steve__: then did you run "nvidia-config-glx enable"?
[03:33] <geneo93> you need nvidia-kernel-common also
[03:33] <kdp> or "nvidia-glx-config enable" im not sure which is right
[03:33] <ells> kdp: done all taht
[03:33] <ells> that
[03:33] <Uscfan> ok so i should try the new ubuntu with my laptop?
[03:33] <ells> kdp: I am familiar with nvidia
[03:33] <Uscfan> im assuming all of you like ubuntu over all theothers??
[03:33] <Uscfan> mainly i want to be able to use my wirelss
[03:33] <ells> kdp: just a first since I reinstalled with the eror
[03:34] <Uscfan> i hate bringing my long cable in here and having to plug it in
[03:34] <kdp> ells: are you the same as steve__?
[03:34] <ells> I am one in the same
[03:34] <ells> funny how that changed
[03:34] <geneo93> well thanks
[03:34] <kdp> ells: then did you edit the xorg.conf file?
[03:35] <ells> kdp: how edit
[03:35] <kdp> to comment out "dri"
[03:35] <ells> will check it
[03:35] <kdp> and add the output of "lsmod |grep agpgar" to the hotplug blacklist?
[03:35] <geneo93> kdp:  i didn't
[03:35] <kdp> that should be "agpgart"
[03:35] <laura> hi
[03:35] <ells> kdp: under modules
[03:35] <Uscfan> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/webcomp/brad-griffith.png
[03:35] <Uscfan> o m f g there was money involved
[03:35] <Uscfan> i could have raped all those desings
[03:36] <laura> just installes ubuntu on a old machin (K6/450) and i have some problems to finalize the setup
[03:36] <laura> i'd need to connet to a samba server for instance
[03:36] <kdp> ells: what under modules?
[03:36] <laura> how should I doo that? the network config tool says I have no SMB support installed
[03:36] <Uscfan> has anyone in here insalled ubuntu on a G4??? could you tell of your experiences
[03:36] <xc> hello
[03:37] <ells> kdp: comment out # dri
[03:37] <laura> Uscfan, I used a livecd on my MacMini, works fine...
[03:37] <Uscfan> is it faster thjan osx
[03:37] <WeirdAl> OK bye everyone. Thanks for the help... I'm sure I'll be back for more tomorrow :-)
[03:37] <Uscfan> and how do you like your mini???
[03:37] <kdp> ells: ah yes
[03:37] <ells> kdp: thanks
[03:37] <laura> Uscfan, well... I still use OS X on my macs, it depends on what you want to do with it
[03:37] <Uscfan> i have an ipod and as many others, i might switch over because of apples awesome stuff
[03:37] <kdp> make sure it looks like #dri, then do the blacklist
[03:38] <kdp> ells: no
[03:38] <kdp> *np
[03:38] <xc> 
[03:38] <ells> kdp: blacklist?
[03:38] <laura> if you need the fastest environment ever, a linux with a lightweight GUI (like fluxbox) would be faster than OS X for sure
[03:38] <kdp> ells: the thing i said to do a couple lines ago, about the output of lsmod
[03:39] <ells> okay
[03:39] <geneo93> laura:  kde is faster than osx
[03:39] <laura> but if you want a machine to work efficiently, to not spend time on crazy hardware issues, OS X is definitelly better
[03:39] <laura> geneo93, i still prefer OS X over KDE
[03:40] <geneo93> mac lovers
[03:40] <laura> geneo93, i simply like things that works fine and as intended
[03:40] <laura> I NEVER had a crash with OS X...
[03:40] <seraphiel> how do I make the nvidia-driver to work in ubuntu
[03:40] <ells> kdp: now that lsmod is done, what next
[03:40] <HappyPills> how do I do multipage printing with Cups?
[03:40] <laura> anyway, may I get help here for my network config?
[03:41] <laura> what's the easiest way to access a SMB volume from a bare ubuntu system?
[03:41] <geneo93> laura:  i'm not good for network stuff but you need samba client first
[03:41] <xc> Can ubuntu works well with IBM xseries server, including SCSI and RAID?
[03:42] <laura> geneo93, yes, i've installed it with synaptic
[03:42] <laura> smbclient and it's related lib
[03:42] <laura> smbfs too
[03:42] <laura> xc, why would you use ubuntu on a server? Can't you use a classical debian?
[03:42] <geneo93> laura:  did you try as root
[03:43] <ells> kdp: you there
[03:43] <kdp> yeah
[03:43] <laura> geneo93, I thought ubuntu asks for a password when it needs it..
[03:43] <ells> kdp: what next, did the lsmod thing
[03:43] <mackid> geneo93: sudo <whatever>
[03:43] <mackid> er, laura: sudo whatever
[03:43] <geneo93> well sudo it then
[03:43] <mackid> sorry :-P
[03:43] <kdp> ells: so it gave you something like 3 things?
[03:43] <xc> laura, thanks for your reply, the machine couldn't directly touch internet, it's painful to install with network. So I prefer ubuntu.
[03:43] <ells> yeah, want to see
[03:43] <kdp> ells: agpgart, intel_mch_agp, intel_agp?
[03:44] <geneo93> just to see if permissions are correct
[03:44] <ells> kdp: agpgart                31784  2 intel_mch_agp,intel_agp
[03:44] <kdp> ells: yeah, now add those 3 things to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:44] <xc> I've been waiting for sarge for a long time. I have to make decision on which distro to use, I found ubuntu is not bad.
[03:45] <ells> okay
[03:45] <kdp> xc: plus debian has 7 CDS.....wtf is up w/that
[03:45] <Lithi> xc, I dont see why you couldent use it as a server. A fair ammount of people do (they have a section on ubuntuforums.org)
[03:45] <geneo93> xc:  hoary is built from sarge unstable
[03:45] <Chipzz> kdp: and you want to install debian from cd because? :P
[03:46] <kdp> Chipzz: i dont.....it just wows me...
[03:46] <ells> kdp: where at in there
[03:46] <kdp> ells: at the end of the file
[03:46] <kdp> ells: then reboot, and it should work
[03:46] <ells> kdp: okay
[03:46] <dex1> Okay, continuing the very painful experience I'm having in trying to install Ubuntu for 1st time. I've tried to install the burned deb packages from the CD. The update one works but the rest complain about libs not being there. I can't use apt-get since it's not connected to the 'net. So.... reluctantly, I'm going to  unplug the PC I'm on now from the 'net and plug the DSL modem into the old PC. If I reboot it, will it detect it and allow me to use apt-get,
[03:46] <Chipzz> kdp: no-one is doing that anyway
[03:46] <ells> kdp: what will this do
[03:46] <kdp> Chipzz: i realize that
[03:47] <xc> Yes, the server is for small business, not critical ones. I tried on a old PC, but I need a server now. But I don't know ubuntu support the hardware good enough or not:)
[03:47] <kdp> ells: this will prevent the intel modules from being loaded, and will allow the nvidia modules to be loaded
[03:47] <kdp> ells: oh crap
[03:47] <kdp> theres another thing to do
[03:47] <ells> kdp: what
[03:47] <Uscfan> im getting 150kbps steady on hoary!!!
[03:47] <Uscfan> w0ot
[03:47] <Uscfan> about an hour left
[03:48] <dex1> Does anyone know, please? I don't want to unplug the DSL modem from the Pentium4 I'm on now and plug it into the old PC unless there's a chance Ubuntu might actually allow me to USE it. :(
[03:48] <ells> kdp: what next
[03:48] <kdp> ells: in the xorg.conf, make sure in the nvidia section theres a line "Option              "NvAGP"            "1"
[03:48] <kdp> those quotes around NvAGP and 1 are important
[03:48] <ells> okay will check
[03:49] <kdp> and theres supposed to be a tab between everything
[03:49] <steve__> yeap, done
[03:49] <dex1> It's been a few hrs yesterday and quite a few more today; trying to get ubuntu installed I mean. :/
[03:49] <Uscfan> anyone using luminiosity?
[03:50] <Uscfan> luminocity*?
[03:50] <ells> kdp: done
[03:50] <ells> kdp: i just figured out that I am on in two places
[03:51] <ells> kdp; now just reboot
[03:51] <kdp> yep
[03:51] <Uscfan> oops
[03:51] <ells> okay, will do, be back in a sec
[03:51] <dex1> Okay. Giving up on this for a while. Lord knows I've tried.
[03:51] <Zugot> what app should i use to burn music cds with gnome?
[03:52] <Uscfan> gnome toaster or somethign right?
[03:52] <kdp> i believe nautilus has a burner built in
[03:52] <Uscfan> Gnome vs. KDE
[03:52] <kdp> just insert a blank cd and drag and drop?
[03:52] <cleit0n> ae alguem fala portugues ou espanhol
[03:52] <Zugot> won't that just copy the files to the cd?   i want to create a music cd..
[03:53] <HappyPills> hmm.. has anyone configured duplex printing with cups before? The option is very much grayed out for me =(
[03:53] <Uscfan> there is some website which has a big list of top rated GTK apps, called GTKapps.com or something, anyone heard of it?
[03:53] <Aghaster> hi
[03:53] <Aghaster> i need help
[03:53] <Megabyte405> gnomefiles?
[03:54] <Uscfan> no
[03:54] <Uscfan> it has GTK in it
[03:54] <cleit0n> hey mens, debian or ubuntu
[03:54] <Megabyte405> Hello... does anyone have any idea on why I get kernel errors when adding more memory?  I'd think it would be easily found on google, given that I had the problem both with my new ubuntubox and my slack laptop, but I couldn't find anything?
[03:54] <Aghaster> i've installed various versions of ubuntu on my computer, and i always got a broken login screen
[03:54] <Aghaster> except for the warty amd64
[03:54] <seraphiel> how do I install nvidia drivers in ubuntu?
[03:55] <Aghaster> i got a amd64 3400+ processor, but want to install the i386 version for compatibility reasons.
[03:55] <Aghaster> but i keep getting a broken login screen each time i install ubuntu
[03:55] <Megabyte405> seraphiel: see ubuntuguide.org, instructions there work great.
[03:55] <cleit0n> quit
[03:56] <Uscfan> Magabyte: ubuntu is debian with a nicer first appearance
[03:56] <Aghaster> do anyone knows this problem or could refer me to a forum thread where they talk about it?
[03:56] <Uscfan> anyone use MEPIS
[03:56] <Uscfan> ?
[03:56] <Aghaster> note: kubuntu does the same thing
[03:56] <Aghaster> i get a broken screen for both
[03:56] <|QuaD-> Uscfan: don't use mepis
[03:57] <Uscfan> quad: why, just wondering
[03:57] <Vjaz> Uscfan: Don't forget that Ubuntu is more recent and has a faster release cycle.
[03:57] <Uscfan> roger that
[03:57] <Vjaz> Uscfan: And is not ran by a group of politicians.
[03:57] <|QuaD-> uscfan: its yucky.... use kubuntu
[03:57] <Uscfan> i like gnome more
[03:57] <narg> Hrm, I got a couple questions: Is it more hassle to nuke / and install ubuntu, or to apt-get from sid? Is it fairly easy to turn to regular root scheme?
[03:57] <Uscfan> gah-nome, hehe, but will ubuntu support most wireless cards
[03:58] <Uscfan> mine is onboard and it doesnt really have a mdel number
[03:58] <Uscfan> its internal
[03:58] <black_nightmare> hey there
[03:58] <HappyPills> hmm... psnup is the name for converting ps files to multipage right?
[03:59] <black_nightmare> any of you know if its any good thought about only adding password to root when needed then removing it...or its ok to leave root there all the times?
[03:59] <Uscfan> ooooooh it was gnome files!!!!
[03:59] <Uscfan> thanx whoever said that before
[03:59] <black_nightmare> I mean the sudo passwd root thing that is
[03:59] <Br34ch> I'm on Ubuntu, and apparently my sound card wasn't found. I'm reading the forums.. and lots of them seem to be directing to something of "alsaconf." I've tried that, but here is what I get: bash: alsaconf: command not found (I tried apt-get install alsaconf, but it says "alsa-utils is already the newest version." to that) Any help and I'd be greatly grateful :x
[03:59] <Uscfan> i got confused with gnomeapps
[03:59] <kdp> Br34ch: i dont believe alsaconf is used in ubuntu, whats ur soundcard?
[04:00] <Uscfan> 34% of ubuntu hoary
[04:01] <Br34ch> kdp: Don't know of the specifics, could you tell me of a command to determine? If not.. I can probably look up online by tracing from the serial number of the laptop and whatnot
[04:01] <Megabyte405> Br34ch: try sudo alsaconf
[04:02] <Br34ch> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[04:02] <Megabyte405> beats me.
[04:02] <kdp> Br34ch: its the "Multimeida audio controller" of lspci
[04:02] <Megabyte405> maybe alsaconf is a file?
[04:03] <kdp> alsaconf is not used in ubuntu apparently
[04:03] <MidnightDevil> heya :)
[04:03] <narg> Hrm, is it a pain in the arse to go from debian sid to ubuntu?
[04:03] <MidnightDevil> how do i mount a local fat32 drive?
[04:03] <Br34ch> Well . . . what can I do here?
[04:03] <Uscfan> Zugot you still here???
[04:04] <Br34ch> My aim is just getting sound . . . sound card is not detected, so any hints on where I should go next would be great
[04:04] <kdp> Br34ch: post the output
[04:04] <Uscfan> Zugot: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=2
[04:04] <kdp> MidnightDevil: see www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:04] <Uscfan> a popular gnome cd burner
[04:04] <Br34ch> I'm a nub, could you please rephrase in a bit more easy terms?
[04:05] <kdp> Br34ch: in the terminal, type in "lspci" and post the line starting w/"Multimedia audio controller"
[04:05] <Br34ch> Oh
[04:05] <black_nightmare> brb
[04:05] <Uscfan> og shit, my partition dedicated to linux is only 5GB is that enough?!?!
[04:05] <|QuaD-> Uscfan: haha.... not much room to play there
[04:05] <kdp> Uscfan: you can use parted to resize
[04:05] <geneo91> Uscfan:  yes
[04:05] <Br34ch> kdp: No such thing beginning with that in there :x
[04:05] <Uscfan> yeah i have another partition which is where i will store data
[04:06] <Uscfan> FAT32 so i can share between linux and windows
[04:06] <kdp> Br34ch: now try "aplay -l"
[04:06] <Uscfan> but 5GB for programs should be fine?
[04:06] <geneo91> yes
[04:06] <inter_> I switched my hard drives from SATA to regular IDE last night and now I can't get linux to boot properly.  Does anyone know of the steps needed to change the root device so the kernel will boot.  (already updated fstab and grub)?
[04:06] <Br34ch> aplay: device_list:199: no soundcards found...
[04:06] <kdp> Br43ch: hm, then you will need to google :-)
[04:07] <geneo91> Uscfan:  just make sure you clean apt-get once in awhile
[04:07] <Br34ch> Google what exactly? I don't know where to begin . . . :x
[04:07] <Uscfan> geneo91: what do you mean
[04:07] <kdp> Br34ch: well you said you can use your serial number?
[04:07] <Br34ch> Oh
[04:07] <Br34ch> I'll get right on it, thanks for the help
[04:07] <kdp> np
[04:07] <psai_> inter_ : did u change the grub.conf and the fstab from sdx -> hdx
[04:07] <Uscfan> 45% of hoary
[04:07] <Mguel721> Anyone know how to mount a zip drive?
[04:07] <Uscfan> mkdir /mnt/zip
[04:08] <inter_> psai_, ya, no go still :(
[04:08] <inter_> psai_, I get a kernel panic
[04:08] <Uscfan> mount /dev/shittyzipdrive /mnt/zip
[04:08] <Uscfan> lol
[04:08] <psai_> inter_ did u rewrite install the mbr to the new hdd
[04:08] <psai_> ah
[04:08] <psai_> inter_ what kind of panic
[04:09] <geneo91> Uscfan:  he has to edit fstab also
[04:09] <Uscfan> yes
[04:09] <corza> hey guys any GuildWars goers in here?
[04:09] <Servo888> Hey wasn't ubuntu suppose to ask for the root password?...
[04:09] <Servo888> I sure as hell didn't set one up =\
[04:09] <inter_> psai_, unknown block (0,0)
[04:09] <ells> when I run ut2004, i get this error message. Crash information will be saved to your logfile.
[04:09] <ells> X Error of failed request:  BadColor (invalid Colormap parameter)
[04:09] <ells>   Major opcode of failed request:  79 (X_FreeColormap)
[04:09] <ells>   Resource id in failed request:  0x2e0000c
[04:09] <ells>   Serial number of failed request:  114
[04:09] <ells>   Current serial number in output stream:  116
[04:10] <geneo91> Servo888:  no its disabled by default
[04:10] <Servo888> geneo91, how do I enable it?
[04:10] <corza> Anyone here interested in Guildwars?
[04:11] <geneo93> sudo passwd root
[04:11] <ells> anyone know why I am getting this error
[04:11] <psai_> inter_ are u sure u changed the /etc/fstab currectly ?
[04:11] <kdp> ells: everything w/the card booted correctly?
[04:11] <dtudosie> is anybody printing with epson in hoary ?
[04:11] <corza> Does anyone know how to change the default program to run files??
[04:11] <inter_> psai_, psai_ pretty sure...all I should have had to do was change all s's to h's rihgt?
[04:11] <ells> kdp: seem so, but did you see the  error meessage i posted
[04:12] <kdp> ells: yeah, i dont have ne idea, sorry
[04:12] <ells> kdp: when i started ut2004
[04:12] <inter_> psai_, i actually get 2 different panics
[04:12] <psai_> inter_ :query me the whole messages plz
[04:12] <inter_> psai_, if I use the kernel param single i get pivot_root: No such file or direcotyr
[04:12] <black_nightmare> geneo...I agree about ubuntu having root off by default especially for real begineers
[04:12] <Servo888> geneo93, thanks :-) ok ubuntu is up and running :-) so far so good
[04:13] <black_nightmare> I enabled mine only because well 1. I do know a bit of what I am doing to do this kind of access  2. I understand about not using root as my main account [which most winxp users don't seem to even do] 
[04:13] <black_nightmare> :p
[04:13] <geneo93> well its protects them from screwing up a lot of things
[04:14] <black_nightmare> geneo....like I said 'real begineer'
[04:14] <geneo93> well certain apps run in root can bork system also
[04:15] <geneo93> xsane for one
[04:20] <black_nightmare> hmm I see
[04:20] <black_nightmare> well I have a root password enabled and recoken I'll just leave it that way
[04:21] <Mguel721> Can anyone help me how to set = JAVA PATH
[04:21] <Uscfan> 66% of ubuntu hoary
[04:21] <mdke> hi all. whats the correct line for stab for viewing an ntfs partition by normal users? pleeeease!!
[04:21] <mdke> *fstab
[04:22] <andy__> gday everyone..am trying to delete a folder from my home directoryand keep getting this message..Cannot move "/home/andy/legends-0.4.0" to the wastebasket because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[04:22] <Uscfan> are you the user andy
[04:22] <Uscfan> sudo
[04:22] <Uscfan> and delete it
[04:22] <narg> Hrm, what is the kubuntu .deb repositery at?
[04:22] <dtudosie> I am having troubles with getting the ink level  for my epson printer; anybody has an ideea ? (mtink is freezing and escputil is saying that the printer does not respond - time out - but note that I can print w/o problems)
[04:22] <andy__> yah i am the user..and the folder has a padlock icon on it for some reason
[04:22] <narg> same as ubuntu?
[04:23] <mdke> andy__, you have to use the terminal. type sudo rm -r folder_name
[04:23] <caffinated> is there a known issue with the PPC G4 and Rage128 video cards in ubuntu? (warty)
[04:24] <geneo93> narg yes
[04:24] <xc> Why my kaffeine freeze in hoary-pre? No matter reinstall kaffeine or Klibs, in no vail.
[04:24] <andy__> mdke:  ah thats what i am after..thx..any ideas why the folder installed with a padlock icon on it
[04:25] <geneo93> xc:  what are you trying to feed it
[04:25] <black_nightmare> geneo stupid question but then where are the documentations usually located for hoary  preview?
[04:25] <Br34ch> I'm on Ubuntu, and apparently my sound card wasn't found. I'm reading the forums.. and lots of them seem to be directing to something of "alsaconf." I've tried that, but here is what I get: bash: alsaconf: command not found (I tried apt-get install alsaconf, but it says "alsa-utils is already the newest version." to that) Any help and I'd be greatly grateful :x  <--
[04:25] <geneo93> usr/share/docs
[04:26] <black_nightmare> geneo..oh ok ty...was curious where the new ones would be going as well anyhow...ty (I'm looking at  synaptic now)
[04:28] <geneo93> black_nightmare:  you could do man (app) in terminal
[04:29] <black_nightmare> geneo.. man=manual I take it?
[04:30] <geneo93> yes
[04:32] <xc> geneo93: I works well with it at first. But I made a playlist of "RMVB" files, when I open the kaffeine again, the UI freezed. And never recover again. I lose my face to my girlfriend:)
[04:33] <geneo93> xc:  see if those codecs are available
[04:33] <Mestapheles> I see that vlc-gnome has been renamed gnome-vlc which has been terminated and to use the wxvlc.  Does wxvlc work with xorg?
[04:34] <xc> Yes, they are available(I've set the path in kaffeine). And I can work with it at first(over 3 hours).
[04:34] <scott> I'm in the ubuntu install right now. I'm trying to resize a partition (will it erase all the data?) and I select my windows partition and highlight size but I don't know how to change the size
[04:35] <eyequeue> scott:  that is not a resize tool
[04:35] <scott> so how do I resize?
[04:35] <bestadvocate> hello everyone, have you noticed two instances of the "internet" folder in the applications menu?
[04:35] <xc> The totem in hoary is just can't work, for anything. I don't have much choise in linux for mutimedia. I really kaffeine would work again.
[04:35] <eyequeue> scott:  if you delete it and recreate it with a new size, it will work, but you will of course lose the data
[04:35] <black_nightmare> "for KDE" means gnome can't run it or am I wrong?
[04:36] <scott> eyequeue, I was told I could use qparted during the installation process
[04:36] <geneo93> xc:  i would use xmms myself
[04:36] <LordC> wrong
[04:36] <eyequeue> scott:  perhaps you could use gparted or qtparted from the livecd?
[04:36] <bestadvocate> no one?
[04:36] <LordC> black_nightmare, you can still run the programs, but you will need to install some kde libs for it to work
[04:36] <scott> oh, so qparted isn't on the installation cd, just the livecd?
[04:36] <black_nightmare> lordc oh...ok ty
[04:37] <eyequeue> scott:  right, pop the other one in first
[04:37] <xc> geneo93, can you play MPEG4 and RMVB in XMMS?
[04:37] <geneo93> black_nightmare:  i just did apt-get install kde
[04:37] <black_nightmare> lordc would you mean something like libkdegames1 ?
[04:37] <AcidWolf> xc Totem does work in hoary a series of g-streamer upgrades have been released yesterday so apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[04:37] <eyequeue> scott:  of course, "backup everything first" is always the rule
[04:37] <scott> I don' thave the other one :( oh well, guess I'll go download knoppix
[04:37] <eyequeue> knoppix also has gparted or qtparted, last i knew
[04:37] <black_nightmare> hmm geneo..does that install the whole kde or just the libs for it?  mind you my hd isn't that big at all here but I have some good free space for now
[04:37] <geneo93> xc:  yes
[04:37] <AcidWolf> xc Totem only started working for me yesterday :)
[04:37] <LordC> black_nightmare, Yes
[04:38] <xc> Thank you, AcidWolf.
[04:38] <AcidWolf> your welcome
[04:38] <LordC> black_nightmare, apt get isntall kde would install whole of KDE. there is no need. Just install the dependancies (ie libkdegames1)
[04:39] <geneo93> black_nightmare:  about 450 mbs after install and need to get about 175 mb to install
[04:39] <xc> Can you point some link to me to do that?
[04:40] <black_nightmare> lordc... does synaptic automatically select libs that are needed but not checked -- or no?
[04:40] <geneo93> yes
[04:40] <black_nightmare> ty...that makes it a tad easier knowing synaptic will find the libs itself for me
[04:40] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  both synaptic and apt-get will pull in any needed dependencies
[04:41] <black_nightmare> ok ok you know what??  I need to say another thing....
[04:41] <black_nightmare> windows = really LAZYYY STUPID.  haha...  I mean well....you know *rolls eyes*
[04:41] <geneo93> black_nightmare:  kde 3.4 is real nice to look at
[04:41] <LordC> Lies
[04:41] <LordC> lol
[04:42] <corza> does anyone know how to change the default program for files??
[04:42] <ells> anyone familiar with gftp
[04:42] <black_nightmare> geneo..I kinda like gnome....quite remindful of my powerbook 145B's desktop (ok so its only for both typing and several games due to a small old processor)
[04:42] <LordC> kde is nice in the same way XP is nice.
[04:42] <geneo93> black_nightmare:  i would install the entire thing if you have space
[04:42] <corza> does anyone know how to change the default program for files??
[04:42] <corza> in my case .mp3's from totem to xmms
[04:42] <black_nightmare> lordc -- if you're missing a dll file that windows setup needs...it can't even help you with that... likewise I'm starting to think apt-get and synaptic are quite superior
[04:42] <geneo93> LordC:  no comparison even
[04:43] <LordC> geneo93, why install the whole thing, if he is using gnome, and only needs a few libs?
[04:43] <LordC> black_nightmare, agreed
[04:43] <geneo93> because kde is nicer than gnome
[04:43] <LordC> lmao
[04:43] <LordC> That is one's opinion
[04:43] <corza> geneo93: I disagree
[04:44] <black_nightmare> brb for a minute anyhow
[04:44] <LordC> geneo93, You running Kubuntu?
[04:44] <corza> geneo93: gnome uses less ram and its much more useful
[04:44] <LordC> aka UbuntuK
[04:44] <Anubis> when I open a term I get this at the top of the prompt
[04:44] <Anubis> dircolors: `/etc/DIR_COLORS': No such file or directory
[04:44] <geneo93> no its not
[04:44] <corza> yes it is
[04:44] <LordC> corza is right :)
[04:45] <geneo93> bah it sucks
[04:45] <Aghaster> i need help
[04:45] <corza> LordC: Agreed :)
[04:45] <Aghaster> i took a photo of my problem
[04:45] <Aghaster> i keep getting a broken login screen
[04:45] <corza> geneo93: Gnome sucks?? it does everything that KDE does + more just using less ram
[04:45] <Aghaster> and cant do anything else than moving the cursor
[04:45] <corza> geneo93: the only upside to KDE is "oh how pretty it looks" lol
[04:46] <geneo93> no it dont
[04:46] <corza> geneo93: if eye candy is for you then KDE is for u
[04:46] <LordC> geneo93, there is a reason Gnome is primary for Ubuntu
[04:46] <LordC> Great Useablity
[04:46] <corza> LordC: exactly :)
[04:47] <LordC> corza, true, but Gnome can be great eye candy also.
[04:47] <geneo93> hey if it didn't have python helping it its a piece of shit
[04:47] <LordC> But it does
[04:47] <corza> LordC: its true but it also uses less ram, and i'm not a believer in eye candy
[04:47] <black_nightmare> lordc ~ GTK+ or Xaw3D??  two choices for one game
[04:47] <black_nightmare> I'm not so sure myself
[04:47] <LordC> GTK
[04:47] <AcidWolf> actually Gnome can be awesome eyecandy :) like mine hehehehe
[04:47] <black_nightmare> ty
[04:47] <LordC> AcidWolf, can I see a screenshot? :)
[04:47] <dtudosie> gnome vs kde: I also got converted from kde to gnome b/c easy of use
[04:48] <LordC> I love Screenies
[04:48] <corza> AcidWolf: lmao
[04:48] <geneo93> i dont use eye candy here
[04:48] <black_nightmare> freeciv sounds nice..will have to see how it feels compared to the real Civilization II macintosh cd I have :p
[04:48] <AcidWolf> LordC sure
[04:48] <suix> hi
[04:48] <corza> dtudosie: its true!!
[04:48] <LordC> Well I actually reluctantly switched to Gnome, simply to try Ubuntu - I was instanlty hooked
[04:48] <suix> can u helpme with quake3arena?
[04:48] <black_nightmare> lol lordc when I marked it to be installed...it pop up a dialog saying I would have to install two other things too..... got to love that.. smart!
[04:48] <LordC> suix, depends on the problem
[04:48] <theantix> black_nightmare: only try freeciv 2
[04:49] <corza> All the other distros i have tried had KDE and hmm i didnt like the other distros haha
[04:49] <LordC> black_nightmare, its such a great feature isn;t it!
[04:49] <black_nightmare> lordc ya
[04:49] <geneo93> seems like gaim is using the most memory
[04:49] <ells> when I use gftp, it wont let me transfer over my music files. permission denied, and skipping
[04:49] <suix> I have no sound in game
[04:49] <LordC> black_nightmare,  The last distro I used didnt alert me of dependancies, until it fail :/ - gotta love Ubuntu :)
[04:49] <LordC> ells, Have you checked the CHMOD?
[04:49] <Uscfan> hoary preview complete
[04:49] <Uscfan> w0ot
[04:49] <ells> LordC, yes
[04:49] <Uscfan> cya guys later time to burn and install
[04:49] <corza> LordC: Nor me :)
[04:49] <LordC> Uscfan, welcome to the club
[04:50] <Uscfan> ty LordC
[04:50] <ells> LordC. I can transfer text files it seems
[04:50] <Uscfan> i will be back prolly
[04:50] <Uscfan> freaking laptop wont boot install CD
[04:50] <Uscfan> for warty
[04:50] <Uscfan> brb
[04:50] <Servo888> Hey why isn't fluxbox found when running apt-cache search fluxbox
[04:50] <Servo888> Or do I need to compile from sources?
[04:50] <corza> I havent tried a wide range of distros but this is the list i have tried: Debian, Xandros, Fedora, RedHat, Ubuntu -- Ubuntu wins hands down
[04:50] <LordC> ells, try another client, just to be sure it's the server. I recommend FireFTP - its a small FireFox plugin. Assuming that is your prefered browser.
[04:50] <ells> LordC will try
[04:51] <Fackamato> ,
[04:51] <corza> LordC: do u know how to change the default program to files?
[04:51] <kbrooks> fluxbox - Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager
[04:51] <LordC> Failed AcidWolf :/
[04:51] <Mguel721> anyone know how to set the PATH for Java?
[04:51] <kbrooks> it exists here
[04:51] <AcidWolf> lok
[04:51] <suix> classpath=---
[04:51] <Servo888> kbrooks, hmm
[04:51] <LordC> corza, yes, goto System, Preferences, Prefered Applications
[04:51] <ells> LordC. not available thru aptget
[04:52] <LordC> AcidWolf, moment, Im using a xchat config from a different user
[04:52] <AcidWolf> LordC ok
[04:52] <corza> LordC: umm i'm trying to change for .mp3 from totem to xmms
[04:52] <dts> has anyone tried to install kde-devel packages
[04:52] <LordC> ells, it's on MozDev @ http://fireftp.mozdev.org/
[04:53] <kbrooks> fuck
[04:53] <kbrooks> Servo888, ill get it for ya
[04:53] <black_nightmare> any of you played stepbill?
[04:53] <kbrooks> just a sec
[04:53] <Servo888> ok
[04:53] <corza> LordC: ?
[04:53] <LordC> AcidWolf, try again :)
[04:54] <LordC> corza, finding right program, one sec
[04:54] <AcidWolf> k
[04:54] <corza> k dude thanks
[04:54] <LordC> corza, /usr/bin/gconf-editor
[04:54] <_phreak_> Anyone have any recomendations on a binnary newsgroup reader?
[04:54] <dts> what does the synaptics message mean: "Depends: (packagename) but it is not going to be installed
[04:55] <kbrooks> Servo888, is dcc working?
[04:55] <Servo888> should be
[04:55] <Servo888> It's xchat so I'm not 100% sure
[04:56] <_phreak_> dts: is it possible that you do now have the repository for the dependency?
[04:56] <kbrooks> Servo888, ill dcc ya the file. you can find the .deb in ~/.xchat2/downloads
[04:56] <javiolo> anyone use bluez or bluesnarfer ?
[04:56] <dts> _phreak_, what do you mean?
[04:56] <Servo888> ok send them over
[04:56] <dts> _phreak_, if i look for the package it finds it so it's obviously installable
[04:57] <LordC> AcidWolf, very nice desktop xD
[04:57] <LordC> AcidWolf, shame about the low resoution you're using
[04:57] <AcidWolf> ty ty
[04:57] <Servo888> kbrooks, thanks
[04:57] <kbrooks> Servo888, just dpkg -i fluxbox_0.1.14-4_i386.deb
[04:57] <AcidWolf> 1280x854 :)
[04:58] <LordC> What's wrong with 1280x1024? :)
[04:58] <AcidWolf> im on apple g4 powerbook 15
[04:58] <kbrooks> Servo888, after you cd into the dir, of course
[04:58] <LordC> Ah
[04:58] <LordC> Fair enough
[04:58] <black_nightmare> say any of you know if it would have any harm for me to 'completely remove' openoffice?
[04:58] <AcidWolf> e-yup
[04:58] <black_nightmare> I kinda don't have any need for that
[04:58] <LordC> How does the powerbucks run Ubuntu?
[04:58] <dts> _phreak_, what do you mean
[04:58] <corza> LordC: that doesnt work??
[04:58] <LordC> black_nightmare, wouldnt hurt a bit
[04:59] <LordC> corza, the application doesnt work, or changing the setting doesn't work?
[04:59] <black_nightmare> ty lordc ~ already using Evolution,  Text Editor, gnumeric -- no need to let openoffice just stupidly sit there on hd hehe
[05:00] <Servo888> kbrooks, "fluxbox depends on menu (>= 1.5); however: Package menu is not installed." | what's the menu package called?
[05:00] <javiolo> anyone use bluez or bluesnarfer ?
[05:00] <LordC> black_nightmare, I don't use it either, just have it for the sister tbh. I figure i'll use it when Uni starts in September
[05:00] <dts> is there a cli package mannagment system too?
[05:00] <black_nightmare> lordc...hm I just am a bit baffled now... openoffice said that it would remove ubuntu-desktop if I wanted to completely remove openoffice
[05:01] <black_nightmare> now...what does the desktop thing have to DO with openoffice? :|
[05:01] <AcidWolf> powerbooks run ubuntu marvelously LordC
[05:01] <LordC> Good point black_nightmare
[05:01] <AcidWolf> but yeah im tinkering with hoary so i dont expect it to run  all that crash hott :)
[05:02] <geneo93> i dont have OO here
[05:02] <black_nightmare> I hope openoffice isn't eating up a lot of space then
[05:02] <_phreak_> it does
[05:02] <LordC> black_nightmare...
[05:02] <LordC> "Ubuntu Desktop" is a metapackage, designed to make installation and
[05:02] <LordC> upgrades easier. You can safely remove it without affecting the
[05:02] <LordC> functioning of your system in any way.
[05:02] <Guilmon> staroffice > openoffice
[05:02] <geneo93> black_nightmare:  it is
[05:02] <black_nightmare> ,
[05:02] <LordC> (pasted from forums)
[05:02] <AcidWolf> open office comes with Gnome cause gnome is a desktop that is directed more towards office users rather than KDE for people who want the eyecandy
[05:02] <black_nightmare> lordc ic so its not really related to the actual desktop?
[05:02] <binskipy2u> just installed the hoary
[05:02] <_phreak_> Anyone managed to get Klibido installed successfully in Hoary?
[05:02] <binskipy2u> its rather nice
[05:02] <LordC> Nope
[05:02] <binskipy2u> kde 3.4 is very nice
[05:02] <LordC> Sounded scarey though eh
[05:03] <Anubis> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:03] <black_nightmare> well jeeze duh.. some of the naming system that ubuntu uses is already too crazy for me
[05:03] <_phreak_> I think the whole Gnome=office KDE=eye candy isn't completly true
[05:03] <ells> does anyone in here havea clue about gftp
[05:03] <binskipy2u> anyone know how to put fluxbox on ubuntu?
[05:03] <AcidWolf> well gnome is light and KDE is big and bulky
[05:03] <_phreak_> I like Kontact, better than evolution, the only advantage is the better exchange support
[05:03] <binskipy2u> ive read alot of sites
[05:03] <binskipy2u> but cant seem to figure out how to do it
[05:03] <_phreak_> Kde isn't that bulky for the standard office workstation
[05:03] <binskipy2u> i d/l the .deb fluxbox file
[05:04] <LordC> binskipy2u, Do you know how to install the deb?
[05:04] <binskipy2u> no lordC
[05:04] <LordC> Guilmon, as am I :)
[05:04] <binskipy2u> i was looking on what to do
[05:04] <LordC> binskipy2u, as kbrooks said earlier, just dpkg -i fluxbox_0.1.14-4_i386.deb
[05:04] <LordC> You will need to sudo that command
[05:04] <_phreak_> Anyone know of a Binnary capable newsgroup reader that works well under ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:04] <javiolo> i have to type this: cd /dev && mknod --mode 666 /dev/rfcomm0 c 216 0
[05:05] <LordC> _phreak_, Pan?
[05:05] <javiolo> but i need to be root but if i use sudo doesnt work
[05:05] <javiolo> anyone ?
[05:05] <LordC> javiolo, what do you mean by it doesn't work
[05:05] <LordC> what message do you get
[05:06] <javiolo> sudo: cd: command not found
[05:06] <LordC> Maybe do it in two steps. cd /dev then type sudo mknod --mode 666 /dev/rfcomm0 c 216 0
[05:06] <AcidWolf> im pretty sure i asked this question yesterday but here goes again does anyone know where i can snag the w32codecs for ubuntu PPC
[05:07] <robl^> I don't think w32codes works on nn-x86 boxes
[05:07] <javiolo> thanks LordC
[05:07] <ells> does anyone have any experience whatsoever with gftp
[05:07] <LordC> javiolo, anytime
[05:07] <AcidWolf> ells yes
[05:08] <AcidWolf> ells ask your question
[05:08] <ells> AcidWolf, I keep getting permission denied
[05:08] <ells> AcidWolf, only on certain files
[05:08] <LordC> ells, did fireFTP work?
[05:08] <AcidWolf> check that your connecting to the right port and that your login info is correct
[05:08] <ells> LordC, did not go there yet
[05:08] <javiolo> LordC ahve you ever used bluez or bluesnarfer ?
[05:08] <LordC> ells, I really recommend trying another client, so you can see if it is the software, or the server
[05:08] <paulproteus> robl^: It does not, that's correct.
[05:08] <ells> AcidWolf. I am connected. I sent the files there before I connected and am trying to bring them back
[05:09] <LordC> javiolo, nope,s orry
[05:09] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[05:09] <ells> AcidWolf: I did a reinstall and sent them to my other PC first
[05:09] <paulproteus> _phreak_: Do try Pan.
[05:09] <helio7> eek; xscreenserver caused a complete hang of my warty-ubuntu system, had to reset the machine; now starting firefox I got a "profile in use" error message, had to create another profile to get on, (running "top" didn't show firefox was active) any ideas of how to recover settings?
[05:09] <ells> AcidWolf.: I can only bring back some of therm
[05:09] <ells> them
[05:09] <AcidWolf> hmmm
[05:10] <ells> AcidWolf. I checked all the permissions per folder;
[05:10] <AcidWolf> can you see them are they visible
[05:10] <ells> AcidWolf: yeap
[05:10] <black_nightmare> lordc what would this one be for now? 'language-support-en'
[05:10] <ells> AcidWolf: some are skipped and some flat out wont let me transfer them
[05:11] <LordC> black_nightmare, I think that one is actually the support for English for Ubuntu
[05:11] <Aghaster> http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/alphacentaurihq/brokensrc2.JPG
[05:11] <eyequeue> helio7:  there is a lockfile you can rm under your old profile, under ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[05:11] <black_nightmare> lordc --- hrm and the  openoffice language wants to remove THAT??
[05:12] <black_nightmare> strange once again...guess I'll leave them there
[05:12] <Aghaster> i keep getting that broken screen when ubuntu loads : http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/alphacentaurihq/brokensrc2.JPG i cant do anything but move the cursor. i have no access to any gnome or kde environment from there
[05:12] <helio7> eyequeue, ahh thanks that makes sense... because of thecrash the lockfile says the profile's still in use right?
[05:12] <eyequeue> helio7:  quit ff and compare the two dirs, the filename should be obvious, i don't recall it offhand
[05:12] <eyequeue> helio7:  exactly
[05:12] <Aghaster> could anyone take a look? its a serious problem : http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/alphacentaurihq/brokensrc2.JPG
[05:13] <LordC> black_nightmare, after further reading, it seems that package simply installs allt he english stuff (ie mozilla locals, Ubuntu locals and OpenOffice), so removing it should be fine - as it wont remove the actual locals
[05:13] <eyequeue> Aghaster:  no clue, sorry
[05:13] <black_nightmare> lordc hmm ok ty *goes to remove openoffice languages*
[05:13] <Aghaster> :/
[05:13] <Aghaster> it is a serious problem
[05:13] <LordC> Aghaster, that is indeed serious. Are you on Warty?
[05:13] <eyequeue> Aghaster:  what triggered that?
[05:14] <Aghaster> fresh installed ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:14] <Aghaster> i've tried many many versions
[05:14] <Aghaster> and always get the same broken screen
[05:14] <eyequeue> Aghaster:  what platform are you on?
[05:14] <Aghaster> instead of the login screen
[05:14] <Aghaster> amd64
[05:14] <Aghaster> i've tried both amd64 and i386
[05:14] <LordC> Are you installing with amd64 kernel?
[05:15] <eyequeue> Aghaster:  livecds do the same?
[05:15] <Aghaster> yes
[05:15] <Aghaster> the i386
[05:15] <kakalto> there is no amd65 livecd, is there
[05:15] <gangalino> who's ready for some Totem tips?
[05:15] <kakalto> *64
[05:15] <Aghaster> do you think that the i386 would be incompatible?
[05:15] <Aghaster> it would make sense...
[05:15] <eyequeue> gangalino:  teach away
[05:15] <Aghaster> amd64 processors have the x86 instruction set
[05:15] <gangalino> shit..., I need tips
[05:16] <maxchee> does anyone know how to make a deb package?
[05:16] <kakalto> gangalino: ?
[05:16] <gangalino> everytime I start it, I get "Failed to create a GStreamer play object"
[05:16] <maxchee> from source code
[05:16] <eyequeue> maxchee:  dpkg-buildpackage is part of it
[05:17] <eyequeue> maxchee:  install "maint-guide" and read the doc dir for a simple walk-through
[05:17] <[FiDO] > maxchee just look it up
[05:17] <LordC> Aghaster, kill X, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8
[05:17] <black_nightmare> lordc ok I think I've figured what I'll like to get... so in synaptic I click ... what?
[05:17] <kdp> does anyone know a good C channel?
[05:17] <eyequeue> kdp:  is it ##C ?
[05:18] <[FiDO] > ##C
[05:18] <Aghaster> #C
[05:18] <maxchee> is there a way to monitor make .configure and produce a dev package?
[05:18] <eyequeue> kdp:  freenode likes to double the # sometimes
[05:18] <LordC> black_nightmare, right click the package, click "Mark for installation", then click Apply at the top.
[05:18] <kdp> which one, ##C or #C
[05:18] <kdp> eyequeue: oh
[05:18] <kakalto> gangalino, have you looked on the forums about it?
[05:18] <[FiDO] > ##c
[05:18] <LordC> kdp, lol
[05:18] <helio7> thanks for the tip on the lockfile eyequeue, i got it fixed...
[05:18] <eyequeue> helio7:  great
[05:19] <eyequeue> helio7:  that bit me here a while back also
[05:19] <helio7> do most people use the standard gnome-terminal (if you're using gnome) or are some folks using xterm i'm curious to know
[05:19] <black_nightmare> ok lordc ... its downloading the files offline to install... lol about 12MB to remove and 61MB to add.... :p
[05:20] <black_nightmare> no real comments thou
[05:20] <LordC> Why are you using root terminal?
[05:20] <delltony> ok what am i doing wrong? every time i boot up my lappy i get the following filesystem is NOT clean.  I have tried sudo touch /forcefsk and i have also tried shutdown now -r -F nothing seem sto work i'm not runnint ext3 i'm reisfer (or whatever its called)
[05:20] <Fackamato> JOI
[05:21] <black_nightmare> lordc well it was several things including using nano to edit sources.list for repositories as well
[05:21] <LordC> oic
[05:21] <LordC> Still, i recommend sticking with regular terminal, and sudo the few root commands you need
[05:21] <gangalino> kakalto: yes, nothing really about that error
[05:21] <corza> LordC: i'm back sorry, u wouldnt know how to do it would ya/?
[05:21] <eyequeue> delltony:  reiserfs.  it never did that for me, on a debian box, can't offer any other suggestions though
[05:21] <corza> LordC: i dont know how to change the settings thats all
[05:22] <LordC> corza, Remind me what you wanted, mp3s from totem to xmms?
[05:22] <corza> yes
[05:22] <eyequeue> delltony:  i gather you typically do a proper shutdown?
[05:22] <delltony> on a laptop its common so yes :)
[05:22] <delltony> i shut it down properly
[05:22] <corza> LordC: yes thats correct
[05:22] <delltony> but what happen si the battery went dead on me
[05:23] <eyequeue> delltony:  ah
[05:23] <delltony> therefore the shutdown didn't go correctly
[05:23] <LordC> corza, Just looking into it deeper, bare with me
[05:23] <eyequeue> delltony:  so basically, if you could get it "clean" it would probably stay that way again?
[05:23] <corza> so do i go into Apps
[05:23] <delltony> it should
[05:23] <nmsa> is someone using ubuntu to capture video from a camcorder? IEE1394? I am interested in that, hope that I can find a package, any idea where to start ?
[05:23] <corza> LordC: oh ok no prob
[05:24] <eyequeue> nmsa:  ieee1394 is firewire i believe, if that halps your search any
[05:24] <[FiDO] > has anyone got lirc to work properly with ubuntu
[05:24] <derek> ubuntu developers.. you deserve gnudos (kudos would imply a preference to KDE) as you kick arse
[05:24] <derek> the hardest part of ubuntu was getting the media :)
[05:24] <[FiDO] > it's the only thing I haven't been able to get working
[05:24] <derek> have working sound, internet and X without doing a damn thing
[05:25] <eyequeue> delltony:  have you tried booting in "recovery mode" yet?
[05:25] <derek> never in 7 years of debian have i had that :)
[05:25] <nmsa> eyequeue: search any ?
[05:25] <derek> and on a brand new laptop at that
[05:25] <delltony> and do what from recovery?
[05:25] <eyequeue> nmsa:  if it helps any in your search for a package
[05:26] <eyequeue> delltony:  well, on the way in, it should fsck for you
[05:26] <LordC> corza, check PM
[05:26] <corza> LordC: ok how lol
[05:26] <corza> oh nevermind
[05:26] <eyequeue> delltony: if not, the next thing i would try is booting from rescue media, either the livecd or isstall cd, or knoppix or whatever, heh.  then fsck the partition in question, with it NOT mounted
[05:27] <eyequeue> derek:  add to that wireless, and yes, very impressive! :)
[05:27] <delltony> well i thought thats what forcefsk did
[05:27] <LordC> corza, hope it works - worked for me
[05:27] <delltony> apparently not
[05:27] <eyequeue> delltony:  i'm not familiar with forcefsck
[05:28] <Jentoo000> man after i edited /etc/apt/sources.list nothing works can anyone send me there one that works?
[05:28] <geneo93> eyequeue:  its a boot option
[05:28] <eyequeue> delltony:  i imagine you may have typoed just now, but be sure you didn't on the filesystem
[05:29] <anne> any chance of getting a complete set of 32 bit compat libraries on Hoary for AMD64??
[05:29] <Jentoo000> ?
[05:29] <Jentoo000> can anyone help please
[05:29] <LordC> Jentoo000, sure
[05:30] <nmsa> eyequeue:found only high level programing lib ...
[05:30] <LordC> Jentoo000, http://www.so-pro.co.uk/avatarsetc/umbongo/SOURCES.txt
[05:30] <Jentoo000> after i edited /etc/apt/sources.list nothing works can anyone send me there one that works?
[05:30] <eyequeue> nmsa:  hmm
[05:30] <Fackamato> http://www.tehjunkyard.net/01-iron_maiden-where_eagles_dare-satan_int.mp3
[05:31] <Jentoo000> thanks LordC
[05:32] <eyequeue> nmsa:  http://www.ppcnerds.org/Article207.html seems to imply firewire is suported automatically
[05:32] <Jentoo000> LordC: do I rename it to sources.list ??
[05:33] <eyequeue> nmsa:  i have no firewire devices here, but i do have a port on the laptop, let me check something
[05:34] <eyequeue> ieee1394: Initialized config rom entry `ip1394'
[05:34] <eyequeue> ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[10]   MMIO=[e0201000-e02017ff]   Max Packet=[2048] 
[05:34] <eyequeue> ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[0003252135013c4c] 
[05:35] <LordC> Jentoo000, sudo gedit /etc/sources.list and copy n paste the text into it
[05:35] <eyequeue> that is from 'dmesg' here, so it implies my kernel is seeing it
[05:35] <LordC> /etc/apt/sources.list ***
[05:35] <eyequeue> nmsa:  'dmesg | grep 1394'  do you get anything?
[05:35] <derek> just for grins does ubuntu have a way to graphically edit the fstab file?
[05:35] <derek> kind of the equivalent of "map a network drive"
[05:36] <nmsa> it should support it by default, the qestion is: how to control my camera ? how to capture ?
[05:36] <eyequeue> derek:  sure, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:36] <Burgundavia> derek: places --> connect to server
[05:36] <eyequeue> derek:  sorry, i don't know what map a network drive means
[05:36] <derek> in debian i have just always manually done it with emacs, but trying to do the easy way
[05:36] <earthen> can anyone tell me where i can get the mp3 pluging for xmms?
[05:36] <nmsa> I don't have the card in, but a diff. distro sure sees it, so I am sure ubuntu, sees it too
[05:37] <derek> Burgundavia, that allows me to find it which is great
[05:37] <derek> but for example in rhythmbox i can't get to my music unless i "mount" that smb share
[05:37] <eyequeue> nmsa:  i guess i don't see what the problem was then.  did you need to know to use "sudo mount" to mount the drive?
[05:37] <geneo93> eyequeue:  are you at all lunixy enough to have use linneighborhood
[05:38] <eyequeue> geneo93:  sorry, never heard of it, what is it?
[05:38] <black_nightmare> lordc ~ do you know of something named like isapnptool or like it?
[05:38] <nmsa> eyequeue: never tried that ...
[05:38] <ells> does anyone know how I change permissions for a folders worth of files
[05:38] <LordC> What does it do?
[05:38] <ells> that will affect all the files
[05:38] <nmsa> i will and let you know, :) 'thnx
[05:38] <geneo93> its kinda like samba but put dir in home with network drives eyequeue
[05:39] <ells> LordC: I figured it out
[05:39] <eyequeue> ells:  chmod blah * you mean?
[05:39] <ells> eyequeue: yeah
[05:39] <black_nightmare> lordc supposed to configure pnp-abled isa cards.... my sound card doesn't seem to be showing up in device manager so I need figure configuring it manually myself
[05:39] <eyequeue> geneo93:  no samba experience here, just nfs
[05:39] <ells> eyequeue: I tried chmod 777 file, no dice
[05:39] <black_nightmare> but I don't seem to be able to locate any help on using it at all
[05:39] <ells> eyequeue, is there a way to affect a whole file
[05:39] <LordC> Ah
[05:40] <eyequeue> ells: 777 is dangerous, but :)  a "whole file" means what?
[05:40] <LordC> Regarding Sound Cards I would search UbuntuForums.org as their very specific
[05:40] <mello> what is Kubuntu?
[05:40] <eyequeue> ells: all the files in a directory?
[05:40] <calc> mello: kde ubuntu
[05:40] <geneo93> eyequeue:  i dont know if debian supports it yet but suse and a few others do
[05:40] <mello> oh
[05:40] <ells> eyqueue, I mean all the files in the directory
[05:40] <eyequeue> mello:  kde + ubuntu
[05:40] <mello> kde is a graphic user interface, right?
[05:40] <derek> ok i have lost respect for ubuntu now :(
[05:41] <black_nightmare> hmm lordc..this is mine card anyhow: Creative SoundBlaster 16 CT2230 [pnp isa card] 
[05:41] <eyequeue> ells: chmod 777 /target/directory/*
[05:41] <derek> bash: emacs: command not found (on a default install) what kind of heresy is that ;)
[05:41] <bandnerd> how good is ubuntu when it comes to hardware detection?
[05:41] <calc> mello: yes
[05:41] <derek> bandnerd, from my limited exposure beyond kick arse
[05:41] <eyequeue> bandnerd:  most are fairly shocked at how good
[05:41] <black_nightmare> not sure I want open another website right now...this machine already kinda crawls as it is sometimes (128MB of ram to...and hd sometimes keep grinding quite a  lot] 
[05:41] <ells> eyequeue: there are 240 files in the directory. dont tell me I have to do one at a time
[05:41] <calc> derek: emacs is bloated crap :)
[05:41] <calc> derek: use vi
[05:41] <mello> any benefits to KDE vs. GNOME?
[05:41] <derek> calc, hey now be nice
[05:42] <eyequeue> ells:  no, let me give you an exact command, tell me the directory name please
[05:42] <ells> eyequeue: /home/steve/iTunes
[05:42] <LordC> black_nightmare, SoundBlaster are a well established brand, i'd be surprised if it didnt work
[05:42] <ells> and then the files below it
[05:42] <calc> mello: they both are good, GNOME is more geared towards usability
[05:42] <smouche> mello, that question could start a "religious war" around here -- ;-)  I much prefer kde, others prefer gnome.
[05:42] <eyequeue> mello:  some prefer it, some do not.  i prefer gnome, as do the original ubuntu developers ... i'm trying to be "diplomatic" heh
[05:42] <calc> mello: KDE is more geared towards eye candy
[05:42] <black_nightmare> lordc yeah I know..the problem I am guessing is that..its isa so...hence it doesn't seem to be showing up in device manager right now
[05:43] <eyequeue> ells:  okay, and are those files owned by you?  or do we need to have root powers to do this?  then i'll give you an exact command
[05:43] <mello> ah
[05:43] <calc> there are other real benefits to using kde but the eye candy detracts from it imho
[05:43] <geneo93> calc:  thats bull
[05:43] <eyequeue> ells:  linux-owned, not talking drm-type things :)
[05:43] <mello> you know, i've seen all these screenshots with the calendars on them, where do they get those from?
[05:43] <ells> I can go to the exact computer and do it
[05:43] <derek> geneo93, bull that there are other benefits or that eye cand detracts?
[05:43] <smouche> mello, the "eye candy" is very easily tailored to what you want in kde, a little or a lot.
[05:44] <LordC> black_nightmare, I'm going to PM
[05:44] <black_nightmare> okie
[05:44] <calc> there are definitely other benefits and keramik was definitely not one of them (gag)
[05:44] <ells> eyequeue, you there
[05:44] <LordC> 1) opened a terminal
[05:44] <LordC> 2) typed:
[05:44] <LordC> sudo modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1 dma16=5
[05:44] <LordC> 3) logged out from Gnome and logged in again
[05:44] <LordC> 4) raised sound volume
[05:44] <eyequeue> ells:  here, put "sudo " in front of this if your user doens't own them: 'chmod 777 /home/steve/iTunes/*'
[05:44] <LordC> and it worked!
[05:44] <LordC> Ah poo, didnt mean to do that
[05:44] <ells> okay
[05:44] <eyequeue> ells:  if your user doens't own them: 'sudo chmod 777 /home/steve/iTunes/*'
[05:44] <black_nightmare> lol lordc its ok :p
[05:45] <eyequeue> ells:  do you understand what the command i gave you does?
[05:45] <eyequeue> ells:  i dislike telling someone "do this root-level command blindly" :)
[05:45] <smouche> mello: It's not all just a cosmetic difference, gnome and kde install with a lot of different apps, but in many cases apps intended for one work fine in the other.
[05:45] <geneo93> well i have 4 linux distros on this thing and i use copy file or move file quite a bit so kde is very usefull to me and it also has qt which i use on a daily basis
[05:45] <derek> calc emacs21, python mode and supporting libraries are just under 75mb uncompressed... what bloat? ;)
[05:45] <JDahl> what's the link to the description of the different repositories?
[05:45] <mello> ah
[05:46] <calc> derek: hahahaha
[05:46] <eyequeue> ells:  btw, i'd think you might actually want 'chmod 666 /home/steve/iTunes/*' instead.  they seem like they would be data file, not executables
[05:46] <mello> i've seen all these people's screenshots with the calendars on their desktops, where do they get those from?
[05:46] <calc> derek: i still want to learn emacs eventually, i just haven't had the time in the past 10yr to do it
[05:46] <calc> its probably not nearly as slow on my box now as it was when i first started using linux
[05:47] <smouche> mello, imho, kubuntu is probably the best kde distro available, just as ubuntu may be the best gnome distro.  Either one is amazing.
[05:47] <ells> eyequeue, okay
[05:47] <eyequeue> ells:  and if you don't want the world to be able to DELETE them, you might want 644, then all can read them (access or play them) but not overwrite or delete
[05:47] <eyequeue> ells:  and only the "owner" can overwrite or delete
[05:47] <ells> eyequeue, I will now try to transfer them with gftp
[05:47] <Roey> but just to get it out of the way, kde is awesomer than gnome.
[05:48] <eyequeue> ells:  did the command work for you, with that "*" WILDCARD?
[05:48] <calc> Roey: no way :)
[05:48] <ells> eyequeue: i sent them to to my desktop and hopefully this will help bring them back
[05:48] <eyequeue> oops
[05:48] <Roey> calc:  KDE is the REAL ULTIMATE POWER!
[05:48] <Roey> calc:   FACTS:
[05:48] <calc> Roey: once gnome gets the cool toys redhat is working on kde will lose on eyecandy too ;)
[05:48] <Roey> calc:  1.  KDE is (programmed by) mammals
[05:48] <calc> gnomes are mammals too
[05:48] <ells> eyequeue: "* ?
[05:48] <geneo93> no there not
[05:48] <eyequeue> okay, please please please stop the GNOME vs KDE wars ? ! ? !
[05:49] <Roey> calc:  2. KDE is awesomer than gnome ALL the time
[05:49] <smouche> calc, I guess I'm weird, but I found gnome's eye candy a lot more distracting than kde's, because at least in kde I can easily turn it off!
[05:49] <Roey> calc:  3. The purpose of KDE is to make GNOME irrelevant
[05:49] <geneo93> gnomes are old perverts
[05:49] <Roey> black_nightmare:  ;)
[05:49] <smouche> gnome's settings, for a newbie anyway, are harder to deal with than kde's
[05:49] <Roey> http://brianx.com/realultimatepower.html
[05:49] <eyequeue> thanks
[05:49] <Jentoo000> updating apt-get takes a while *_*
[05:49] <mello> i'm almost sorry i wondered what KDE was :)
[05:50] <mello> anyways.. back to my other question
[05:50] <mello> i've seen all these people's screenshots with the calendars on their desktops, where do they get those from?
[05:50] <Jentoo000> i recon ubuntu is the best distribution for newbies and advanced linux uers so far
[05:50] <Megabyte405> Roey: LOL!
[05:50] <eyequeue> mello:  call it "one of the many alternatives linux offers you" :)
[05:50] <geneo93> mello:  kde
[05:50] <calc> smouche: eh? gnome has no eyecandy
[05:50] <Megabyte405> The purpose of KDE is to flip out and kill people.
[05:50] <Roey> HAHAHA
[05:50] <Megabyte405> Hence why I use gnome.
[05:50] <Roey> Megabyte405:  nono
[05:50] <Jentoo000> wish i had gkrellm working
[05:50] <calc> Roey: erm i think you have it backwards, gnome was created as a response to the non-free kde stuff ;)
[05:50] <kakalto> Mb405, it's all a matter of opinion
[05:50] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  works here, what seems to be the problem?
[05:50] <Roey> Megabyte405:  the purpose of KDE GROUPIES is to flip and kill gnome groupies.
[05:51] <Megabyte405> ahh, I see.
[05:51] <Megabyte405> Are they mammals?
[05:51] <mello> oh.
[05:51] <dts> kdesdk:
[05:51] <dts>  Depends: kbugbuster but it is not going to be installed
[05:51] <Roey> calc:   I know but I had to make KDE fit the parody template :)
[05:51] <Jentoo000> eyequeue: dont know where to start once I've downloaded it, what file should i download
[05:51] <dts> what doen that mea
[05:51] <dts> n
[05:51] <calc> Roey: ah ok :)
[05:51] <smouche> calc, I call animations on window minimizing eye candy, and I call it obnoxious.  And I could never turn it off in gnome, at least not without fucking up other stuff.
[05:51] <Roey> Megabyte405:  KDE is programmed by mammals
[05:51] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  you have the deb?
[05:51] <Jentoo000>  i want stuff on my desktop showing my speed, hwo much room i got on my computer etc
[05:51] <Roey> I think I've found the next Slashdot ongoing joke
[05:51] <Jentoo000> whats deb? I've been mucking around with my list file and ive seen the word deb in it
[05:51] <calc> smouche: hmm that should be fairly easy to disable, i just never have noticed it
[05:51] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  are you familiar with synaptic?
[05:51] <Roey> (it's circulated there but not yet en mass)
[05:52] <Jentoo000> eyequeue: I dont understand it much so i just use the console
[05:52] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  okay, you're brand new, right?  don't want to talk down, just be clear
[05:52] <smouche> and it's uuugly eye candy.  But like I said, ubuntu is great gnome, kubuntu is great kde.
[05:52] <Jentoo000> eyequeue: yes
[05:52] <Roey> *its
[05:52] <Br34ch> nub question.. with what command can I determine basic stuff like what kernel I'm using and moreon of the sort of information?
[05:53] <Megabyte405> Br34ch: uname
[05:53] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  okay, i'll give you commandline alternatives, and i'll give you synaptic alternatives, you can choose which you prefer at the end before doing them
[05:53] <Br34ch> thank you
[05:53] <Anubis> how to add gismos reposit?
[05:53] <Megabyte405> Br34ch: uname -r for kernel version, -A I think for all
[05:53] <Jentoo000> eyequeue: for? I havent downloaded any of the gkrellms yet though
[05:53] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  apt-cache search gkrellm | less  .... that will get you a list of what pacakges there are, then you can choose which you like
[05:53] <LordC> ells, chmod +777 /home/steve/iTunes -R (incase you didnt get the answer yet)
[05:54] <mello> what's the terminal command for deleting a folder you don't want
[05:54] <Jentoo000> hmm ok
[05:54] <black_nightmare> bye till tomorrow everyone :)
[05:54] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  then, assuming they are called "foo" and "bar" (which is unlikely, lol) you would "sudo apt-get install foo bar"
[05:54] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  that's the commandline style, now i'll explain the synaptic style
[05:54] <ubuntoid> mello:  rmdir
[05:54] <ells> LordC, thanks
[05:55] <Jentoo000> what the it just shows _ that in rows
[05:55] <LordC> Right, im off to bed now
[05:55] <LordC> Night all
[05:55] <mello> gracias
[05:55] <Jentoo000> up the top it says gkrelldnet - A dnetc plugin for GKrellM
[05:55] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  system > administration > synaptic, to start it, then push the Search button, and type in gkrellm
[05:55] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  you'll have a list of pacakges, pick the ones you want, right click on them, and say you want to select them for installation
[05:55] <dts> is there a synaptics for the console
[05:56] <Jentoo000> man can u whisper to me this is too hard
[05:56] <eyequeue> Jentoo000:  click on apply, and it's done
[05:56] <Blissex> dts: 'aptitude'
[05:56] <ells> LordC, thanks, it worked
[05:56] <eyequeue> dts:  dselect, or aptitude would be the closest
[05:56] <dts> Blissex, eyequeue thanks
[05:57] <eyequeue> dts:  i personally would prefer dselect, others would prefer aptitude, linux is about choices, heh
[05:57] <Megabyte405> Dselect!!!!
[05:57] <Megabyte405> WHAT??!!!
[05:57] <ice_1963> lol
[05:57] <ice_1963> ok
[05:57] <Megabyte405> I do think I get an allergic reaction to that.  Never could figure out what the heck to do in it.
[05:58] <eyequeue> Megabyte405:  press "?" :)
[05:58] <Megabyte405> Tried that...
[05:58] <Megabyte405> That is probably why I do not use Debian anymore.
[05:59] <geneo93> debian is pretty clunky but ubuntu has helped it some
[06:00] <JDahl> what's the link to guide on the difference between multiverse and universe etc. ?
[06:00] <eyequeue> JDahl:  none, iirc
[06:00] <JDahl> eyequeue, there
[06:00] <JDahl> eyequeue, there is one... I just cant remember or find it
[06:00] <eyequeue> JDahl:  multiverse is "nonfree" and unsupported, universe is merely unsupported
[06:00] <ice_1963> uninstall an go back to windows
[06:01] <JDahl> eyequeue, yeah... I was looking for the reference to email a friend that just installed Warty, and wonders where all the usual Debian packages went
[06:01] <geneo93> ice_1963:  why
[06:02] <eyequeue> JDahl:  in deb-speak, universe is where, and multiverse would be the "non-free" ones
[06:03] <geneo93> all the illegal things in usa
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> mon
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> man
[06:03] <JDahl> eyequeue, and restricted is mainly wrappers for binaries?
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> I need to alter hoary-live
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> to have ntfs readwrite support
[06:03] <bluefoxicy> and clamav
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> so I can clamscan windows pcs at work
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> had to manually remove a virus in dell -- recovery console.
[06:05] <Megabyte405> clamwin.org
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> uh
[06:05] <geneo93> bluefoxicy:  sounds like you have more than virus then
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> files in use can't be removed, as many viruses like to be.
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> I had to get out of the OS to do it
[06:05] <eyequeue> JDahl:  no, that's basically non-free kernel-level stuff
[06:06] <JDahl> eyequeue, aha, thanks
[06:06] <geneo93> bluefoxicy:  sometimes it can be done in safe mode admin
[06:07] <Megabyte405> I second geneo93 's thoughy
[06:07] <Megabyte405> thought, even.
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> geneo93:  yeah but windows is ass
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> if I have to reboot it, I should reboot into something cool.
[06:07] <geneo93> i clean up 3 dells here that way
[06:07] <eyequeue> JDahl:  if you manually browse pool/restricted, you'll see, it's kernel-restricted and the two proprietary video supports, ati and nvidia
[06:08] <eyequeue> JDahl:  stuff that "should" be inb the kernel, in an ideal world
[06:08] <Kazuhiro> Any one setup transgaing on x86_64 and not used a chroot as listed on here? http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[06:08] <dts>   Depends: python (<2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[06:08] <dts>  Depends: python2.3-kde3 but it is not going to be installed
[06:08] <dts> i don't get what those messages mean
[06:08] <geneo93> clamav just quaretines them then you change file ext and delete them
[06:08] <Megabyte405> dts: doing a warty to hoary update?
[06:09] <dts> Megabyte405, no i have horay installed already
[06:09] <Megabyte405> oh.
[06:09] <dts> Megabyte405, it looks like it can't take python2.4 and wants 2.3
[06:09] <dts> Megabyte405, do you know how i can downgrade a version
[06:09] <Megabyte405> dts: I think I have both installed since my upgrade.
[06:09] <Megabyte405> I think they are both available in apt
[06:10] <crimsun> dts: which package?
[06:10] <coreDumped69> hey, I'm helping my friend set up ubuntu, and it's my first ubuntu install (not linux tho...) he gets part way thru the menus in the installer and the screen starts flashing and the progress stops... does it sound like a hardware problem? (I'm running memtest now)
[06:10] <dts> Megabyte405, yea I installed 2.3 but it still won't do
[06:10] <Megabyte405> Hmm.
[06:10] <crimsun> dts: python*-kde?
[06:10] <Megabyte405> change your python symlink to python-2.3
[06:10] <dts> crimsun, python-kde3
[06:10] <crimsun> Megabyte405: don't do that, a lot of things will break.
[06:10] <dts> Megabyte405, just manualy ln -sf ...?
[06:10] <Megabyte405> hmm.
[06:10] <Megabyte405> dts: then don't do that.
[06:11] <Megabyte405> beats me.
[06:11] <dts> q
[06:11] <dts> ok
[06:11] <ells> has anyone noticed the nvidia driver being a little grainy. I did some tweaking to it, and it still looks like crap
[06:11] <hou5ton> I have worked on this for hours, over the course of days, and still can't get sounds working in xchat ... running Hoary
[06:11] <corza> hay
[06:11] <coreDumped69> ells, nvidia or nv?
[06:11] <hou5ton> does anyone else in here have sounds in xchat
[06:11] <crimsun> dts: / Megabyte405: Hoary transitioned to Python 2.4 being default.  If you run across another issue like that, please let us know in #ubuntu-motu, thanks.
[06:11] <kakalto> I never knew xchat had sounds
[06:11] <ells> coreDumped69: i had nv, changed it to nvidia
[06:12] <ells> coreDumped69: why
[06:12] <dts> crimsun, well what should i do right now
[06:12] <coreDumped69> ells, cause I just saw an install and the nv drivers had weird issues, but once switched to nvidia it worked fine
[06:12] <dts> crimsun, go  there?
[06:12] <crimsun> dts: do you absolutely need python-kde3?
[06:12] <crimsun> dts: if not, sudo aptitude remove python-kde3
[06:12] <dts> crimsun, yea i used to program in it and i have some stuff i need from it
[06:12] <ells> coreDumped: maybe I still have nv working. how can I makeceratin
[06:13] <dts> crimsun, pykde3 is not installed yet, i'm trying to install it right now
[06:13] <corza> hey can someone help me change what my mouse buttons do?
[06:13] <geneo93> ells:  glxgears
[06:13] <coreDumped69> ells, lsmod to make sure you have the nvidia module loaded and check your xorg.conf
[06:14] <corza> is there someone who can help me change what my mouse buttons do?
[06:14] <ells> coreDumped: i just checked and it had nv in the xorg.conf, I changed it "nvidia"
[06:14] <crimsun> dts: Riddell's in change of that since he's working on Kubuntu, so I'll ask him about it.
[06:15] <ells> geneo93, whats that
[06:15] <coreDumped69> change it to nvidia and restart x
[06:15] <dts> crimsun, do you have a bug tracking system where i should report it or should i just wait here?
[06:15] <geneo93> its a small demo
[06:15] <ells> coredumped, since I changed it from "nv" to "nvidia" i should be good right
[06:16] <ells> geneo93, shoudl I try that
[06:16] <coreDumped69> after restarting x, give it a try
[06:16] <corza> could someone help me change what my mouse buttons dO?
[06:16] <geneo93> ell nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:16] <ells> geneo93, here is what is said root@stevesnetwork:/ # glxgears
[06:16] <ells> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:16] <ells> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[06:16] <crimsun> dts: eventually we'll have a new one in place, but for now, please ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:17] <ells> geneo93, what is this saying
[06:17] <geneo93> ells:  its not enabled then
[06:17] <ells> geneo93, okay what next then
[06:17] <geneo93> do that other command i gave you
[06:18] <protocol> hey all
[06:18] <corza> argh my mouse is really pissing me off can someone please help me?
[06:18] <ells> geneo: nvidia-glx-config enable?
[06:18] <geneo93> ells:  after that ctrl alt backspace
[06:18] <protocol> anyone in here using enlightenment DR17 (E17) here?
[06:19] <geneo93> yes
[06:19] <protocol> geneo93, you are?
[06:19] <josue> hey guys,
[06:19] <josue> sorry
[06:19] <corza> can someone help me with my MOUSE??
[06:19] <geneo93> protocol:  long time linux user
[06:19] <protocol> corza, what problem are you having
[06:19] <corza> protocol: my mouse buttons arent doing their right function
[06:20] <corza> protocol: my scroller is going Back and Forward and my Back and Forward Buttons are doing my scrollers job
[06:20] <dts> crimsun, are you asking riddel right now, or should i do it?
[06:20] <protocol> geneo93, thing is I'm trying to install it via apt-get but I'm getting a broken pipe error because deps are conflicting; libecore0 and libecore1 and libevas0 and libevas2
[06:20] <crimsun> dts: I've pinged him, but it's Saturday night, and he's probably busy.
[06:21] <protocol> corza, what kind of mouse you got?
[06:21] <dts> crimsun, :-D ok, how do i sign up for the ubuntu-devel list
[06:21] <geneo93> protocol:  apt-get -f install should fix it
[06:21] <corza> protocol: Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer V3.0
[06:21] <protocol> geneo93, tried that....doesn't work :P That's where I get the broken pipe error
[06:22] <ells> well, my ut2004 works, but no sound
[06:22] <crimsun> dts: instructions are here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[06:22] <geneo93> protocol:  what do you have warty or hoary
[06:22] <protocol> geneo93, hoary
[06:22] <ells> geneo93, my ut2004 now works with the card, but no sound
[06:22] <dts> crimsun, or alternatively should i report to the python integration team?
[06:22] <geneo93> you have all the repos. enabled
[06:23] <crimsun> dts: both (I'm on that team).
[06:23] <ells> geneo93: you talking to me
[06:23] <protocol> corza, thats usb or ps/2?
[06:23] <protocol> geneo93, yup
[06:23] <dts> crimsun, do they have a seperate mailing list? (i'd like to join that team btw, i'm pretty good with python)
[06:23] <corza> protocol: its connected to my ps/2 but it has a usb->ps/2 converter
[06:24] <crimsun> dts: nope, there's no mailing list
[06:24] <geneo93> hmm i had that problem when i upgraded to hoary but dont remember what i did to fix it
[06:24] <geneo93> protocol:  maybe crimsun can help you
[06:24] <crimsun> err?
[06:24] <crimsun> sec, need to read scrollback :)
[06:24] <protocol> crimsun, any ideas?
[06:25] <protocol> crimsun, thing is I'm trying to install it via apt-get but I'm getting a broken pipe error because deps are conflicting; libecore0 and libecore1 and libevas0 and libevas2
[06:25] <crimsun> protocol: for e17?  It's preferred that you build from cvs.
[06:25] <corza> protocol: its connected to my ps/2 but it has a usb->ps/2 converter
[06:26] <geneo93> protocol:  i think i have to remove package first that used them
[06:26] <protocol> crimsun, lol it's "preferred"...I don't want through go through all that :P
[06:26] <dts> crimsun, how is the python team organized (if at all)
[06:26] <protocol> geneo93, ?
[06:26] <geneo93> remove the old and install the new
[06:26] <crimsun> dts: afaik, there's no "team" (I was referring earlier to the MOTUs, not a specific python team)
[06:27] <crimsun> dts: please feel free to read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MOTU
[06:27] <protocol> geneo93, did all that... I don't understand tho why e17 needs both libecore0 and libecore1 as well as libevas0 and libevas2
[06:28] <geneo93> backwards compat maybe
[06:28] <protocol> corza, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=2&threadid=292726  <--- check that out might help
[06:28] <crimsun> protocol: I haven't used E since the DR15 days, so I'm fairly rusty on its specific, current packaging
[06:29] <protocol> crimsun, it's ok dude...thanks tho ;)
[06:29] <jimarko> hey all
[06:29] <crimsun> protocol: what package(s) specifically are you attempting to install?
[06:29] <dts> crimsun, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/
[06:29] <geneo93> crimsun:  your beeter off then me i never used it at all
[06:30] <protocol> crimsun, everything enlightenment (E17) asks for.  but only 4 (or 2 really) are givin' me trouble
[06:30] <crimsun> dts: oh duh, that.
[06:30] <geneo93> ells:  you have alsamixer
[06:31] <kpeterson> hey, I am having some trouble with file sending/recieving on the AIM protocol using GAIM.  My attempts all fail or time out.  Any suggestions?
[06:31] <ells> geneo: I can check
[06:31] <crimsun> dts: unfortunately keybuk doesn't appear to be online; he's the leader of that
[06:31] <geneo93> just type that in terminal ells
[06:32] <GhostFreeman> Is there a way I can run a terminal on my desktop, like with KDE
[06:32] <geneo93> ells:  ifso check settings
[06:32] <ells> geneo93, okay
[06:32] <geneo93> yes GhostFreeman
[06:32] <GhostFreeman> How would I?
[06:33] <ells> geneo93, it is installed
[06:33] <helloyo> how come many of my videoclips don't have a previews? even though seemingly identical ones have a preview... any help?
[06:33] <geneo93> GhostFreeman:  click on menu ten system and its in that group
[06:34] <geneo93> GhostFreeman:  i added applet to task bar
[06:35] <ells> geneo93, should I be looking at anything in here
[06:35] <giard> evening
[06:35] <geneo93> the digital i/o
[06:35] <giard> anyone using hoary have problems getting tomboy running recently?
[06:36] <ells> geneo93: whats the i/o
[06:36] <Vjaz> giard: Seems to be working for me.
[06:36] <giard> (I can't tell if it's just my configuration or something more general)
[06:36] <geneo93> input output
[06:36] <giard> Vjaz: oh good, it must just be me
[06:36] <ells> geneo: I dont see anything resembling that in here though, there is 3d and such
[06:37] <geneo93> whats muted
[06:37] <Vjaz> giard: Heh, seems like I just crashed it though when trying to see "About Tomboy"
[06:37] <ells> geneo93: looks like 3d and mic
[06:37] <geneo93> i'll have m in place of volume control
[06:37] <Vjaz> giard: Other than that, it has been working fine.
[06:37] <ells> okay
[06:38] <kpeterson> i just installed ubuntu, but when i try to send/recieve files with my AIM buddies, it does not work.  It worked before I installed linux. Does anyone have experience with this kind of problem
[06:38] <ells> geneo93: mic boost and 3d control
[06:38] <ells> and iec958
[06:38] <ells> whatever that it
[06:38] <ells> is
[06:38] <xquizit> Hi, I seem to have a prob using the xfce4 graphical installer, it seems i'm missing "Session management library" and "X pixmap library" but I searched on ubuntuforums and installed what I was suppose to, but still nothing.
[06:39] <geneo93> well sometimes it does that i lost all my sound till i rebooted
[06:39] <ells> geneo93, what ya think
[06:39] <giard> Vjaz: I can't seem to install it and run it now
[06:39] <ells> will be right back then
[06:39] <goldfish> xquizit: you can install it from synaptic
[06:39] <goldfish> xfce that is
[06:39] <xquizit> goldfish, no I can't I get way too many deps
[06:39] <goldfish> ah right
[06:40] <xquizit> goldfish, I noticed someone got it working on hoary, but I would like to keep warty without using the backports.
[06:41] <goldfish> ah right
[06:41] <crimsun> xquizit: how did you install xfce4?
[06:41] <crimsun> xquizit: apt-get install xfce4  should have sufficed
[06:41] <xquizit> crimsun, i'm trying right now using the gui installer, I did that but got a whole lot of deps :/
[06:42] <crimsun> xquizit: oh, that's the long way around
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> The Application "gnome-volume-manager" has quit unexpectedly.
[06:42] <crimsun> xquizit: do you specifically want 4.2?
[06:42] <crimsun> xquizit: using ,,sudo apt-get install xfce4'' installs 4.0.6
[06:42] <xquizit> not I just apt-get install xcfe4
[06:43] <xquizit> crimsun, do I need to type sudo apt-get install xfce42? or 4.2?
[06:43] <kpeterson> can anyone point me to a good guide to installing MPlayer on Warty?
[06:44] <goldfish> kpeterson: ubuntuguide.org i think has it
[06:44] <crimsun> xquizit: does xfce4 not work when you choose XFce from GDM's Session menu?
[06:44] <geneo93> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:44] <xquizit> crimsun, I can't even install it
[06:45] <xquizit> also i'm using a fresh install of ubuntu
[06:45] <giard> Vjaz: you're running hoary, right?
[06:45] <Vjaz> giard: Yes.
[06:46] <Vjaz> giard: Currently with all the latest packages too.
[06:46] <rbnhck> hi
[06:46] <xquizit> crimsun, is there anything I can do to install xfce4?
[06:47] <crimsun> xquizit: have you enabled the universe repository?
[06:47] <xquizit> yes I have
[06:47] <rbnhck> SIS305 DRI in ubuntu warty?
[06:47] <crimsun> xquizit: (and run Reload in Synaptic, or sudo apt-get update ?)
[06:47] <xquizit> I have also added this to my sources deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
[06:47] <xquizit> deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing mai
[06:48] <kpeterson> goldfish: I was not able to find it on ubuntuguide.org
[06:50] <kpeterson> geneo93: I followed that guide, but even after adding all the necesary repositories, I get errors when trying apt-get (some of the dependent libraries are not available it seems)
[06:51] <crimsun> xquizit: did you run ,,sudo apt-get update''?
[06:51] <ells> anyone know why my mp3 wont work. any special driver i need
[06:51] <geneo93> kpeterson:  i getting it now just fine
[06:51] <MacPlusG3> ells: see Restircted formats in the wiki
[06:51] <xquizit> crimsun, yes I did I even did it again now, and I got the same results
[06:51] <MacPlusG3> ells: mp3 is patent encumbered, so there's extra hoops to jump through.
[06:51] <geneo93> kpeterson:  apt-get update
[06:51] <ells> MacPlusG3: I mean, I thought I had all the drivers I needed
[06:52] <crimsun> xquizit: please paste the error onto http://pastebin.ca
[06:52] <xquizit> ok
[06:52] <ells> MacPlusG3: I have gstreamer, and w32 codecs. what else
[06:52] <MacPlusG3> ells: you want the lame packages (including the gstreamer ones)
[06:53] <MacPlusG3> ells: LAME = Lame is not An MP3 Encoder
[06:53] <ells> MacPlusG3: how many lames are there
[06:53] <MacPlusG3> ells: although it is
[06:53] <ells> MacPlusG3: thought I had that one, will check
[06:53] <MacPlusG3> ells: not that many... a search in the package manager should only show up a few. (granted it's been a while since i installed it)
[06:53] <xquizit> crimsun, here it is http://pastebin.ca/8300
[06:53] <geneo93> ells get all the gstreamer packages
[06:54] <ells> MacPlusG3: okay
[06:54] <MacPlusG3> ells: sholud be something like gstreamer0.8-lame
[06:54] <kpeterson> geneo93: I did do that, still having the problem. Specifically, it says that libarts, libdvdread, and others have unresolvable dependencies.  Are you using warty and trying to install the 386 version?
[06:55] <ells> MacPlusG3, shouldnt the gstreamer0.8-plugins do the trick, will all the plugins
[06:55] <geneo93> no 586 version
[06:55] <geneo93> mines done
[06:55] <MacPlusG3> ells: i think it does. check the wiki, it's memory is less rusty than mine :)
[06:56] <ells> MacPlusG3, just cant for the life of me, understand why I cannot get any sound from my mp3 or ut2004
[06:56] <crimsun> xquizit: and your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:56] <xquizit> ok
[06:56] <geneo93> MacPlusG3:  i dunno kde played mine just fine by default install
[06:57] <xquizit> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8301
[06:58] <MacPlusG3> geneo93: haven't used kde in about 5 years :)
[06:58] <kpeterson> geneo93: any clue what my problem might be?
[06:58] <crimsun> xquizit: that's because you're running warty
[06:58] <geneo93> nope i went right to hoary when i installed this time
[06:58] <xquizit> crimsun, do I really have to use hoary then
[06:59] <crimsun> xquizit: nope. Just comment out (or remove) the os-works lines, update, and install xfce4
[06:59] <geneo93> kpeterson:  you have broadband
[06:59] <xquizit> crimsun, but that installes and old version 4.0
[07:00] <crimsun> xquizit: you'd need to install a lot of libraries to compile 4.2
[07:00] <kpeterson> genoe93: Im not sure I understand.  Are you asking me if I do? If so, then yes.
[07:00] <crimsun> xquizit: 4.0.6 is not very old
[07:00] <kreze1> I just upgraded from Debian Sid to Ubuntu Hoary, and I've lost all the icons on my Gnome desktop. How can I recreate them?
[07:00] <xquizit> crimsun, ok what if I upgraded to hoary, would it work then?
[07:01] <crimsun> xquizit: yes, with os-works
[07:01] <geneo93> kpeterson:  chage your repositories to hoary then and get lastest ubuntu
[07:01] <xquizit> ok then, well thank you for your help :D
[07:01] <crimsun> np
[07:03] <kpeterson> geneo93: Is that a wise choice at this point anyways? I will not experience other problems from updating, will I?
[07:03] <geneo93> not really
[07:03] <kpeterson> Is it worth it?
[07:03] <geneo93> gnome menu editer is broken is about all iirc
[07:04] <geneo93> kpeterson:  yes
[07:05] <corza> hey guys i installed skype ( i think well it comes up in the applications anyway ) and when i click on it it doesnt do anything
[07:05] <pablo928> Has anyone made an educated guess at how many computers are now running Ubuntu?
[07:05] <corza> an educated guess?
[07:05] <geneo93> corza:  call it from terminal and see what that says
[07:06] <chavo> pablo928, well there's 1 at my house.
[07:06] <corza> geneo93: how do i do that
[07:06] <pablo928> There's two at mione
[07:06] <geneo93> just type skype in terminal
[07:06] <corza> k
[07:07] <chavo> hmm, that's at least 3 so far.
[07:07] <corza> k it says
[07:07] <corza> geneo93: libqt-mt.so.3 cannot be shared object file no such file or directory
[07:07] <corza> should i go and download the thing?
[07:08] <pablo928> Just curious. For a very new distro seems like it's getting a lot of attention.
[07:08] <geneo93> yeah do a search for that in synaptic
[07:08] <corza> yeah i just did it didnt work
[07:08] <corza> pablo928: its because its good
[07:08] <geneo93> use diff than name the
[07:08] <chavo> pablo928, yes, it is pretty awesome. Actually running kubuntu here.
[07:09] <corza> chavo: shame on you :P
[07:09] <geneo93> corza:  it maybe in description
[07:09] <corza> geneo: downloading a few now see if it works
[07:09] <pablo928>  corza:It's my first experience with linux. So far, very good.
[07:10] <corza> pablo928: its about my fourth or fifth and by far the best
[07:10] <corza> geneo93: k its working now
[07:10] <geneo93> cool
[07:11] <pablo928>  corza:Now, about the only time i boot windows is to upgrade antivirus and spyware programs.
[07:11] <rafael> HI
[07:11] <synd> hey guys i got the live version of hoary on disk and when i boot up with it on my PPC, it loads up with a split screen down
[07:12] <odie5533> Are there any decent C/C++/Java IDE's besides Eclipse? I hate this project stuff...
[07:12] <synd> nd i can only see like 1/4 of the desktop
[07:13] <synd> but they are mirrored on top of each other
[07:13] <corza> pablo928: how true that is.. i have been using this distro for about 4 days now last night i went back onto windows and after about an hour of using it it crashed i was like fuck this i'm going to bed and since then i've only been on ubuntu lol.. what i'm trying to do now is configure it so it suits me and then i'll be all good :D
[07:14] <pablo928>  corza:i forgot, i need to boot windows to watch tv, haven't gotten my tv tuner set up yet in hoary.
[07:14] <geneo93> odie5533:  try qt desigher
[07:15] <odie5533> designer?
[07:15] <corza> pablo928: yeah these things take time.. i'm still trying to get my mouse work properly (7 buttons)
[07:15] <geneo93> yeah it has c and c++
[07:15] <synd> hello?
[07:15] <corza> i'm not too worried about my 62+ extra functions on my keyboard lol
[07:15] <odie5533> apt-getting
[07:15] <odie5533> does it do java too?
[07:16] <geneo93> i think it has module for that
[07:16] <pablo928>  corza:yes i've got 5 buttons and only 3 work
[07:16] <odie5533> nice GUI
[07:16] <odie5533> very fast, I like it so far
[07:17] <odie5533> module, can you explain a bit?
[07:17] <geneo93> addons
[07:17] <corza> pablo928: well i have 7, all of them work.. ( i fiddled and configured it a bit) except.. the back and forward buttons scroll and the scroller goes back and forward
[07:18] <pablo928>  corza:in /system/prefrences/keyboard shortcuts you can find a lot of things to do with those extra keys
[07:18] <corza> oh yeah lol :P
[07:19] <geneo93> python module forexample
[07:19] <pablo928>  corza:how do you like the kde desktop? I tried both and settled on gnome.
[07:19] <kpeterson> geneo93: Thank you for your help, but I am new to Linux and I think I will stick with Warty because I assume there is more documentation about it/problems with it.
[07:19] <jeavis> hello
[07:19] <jeavis> where I have a doc for hoary ubuntu
[07:19] <jeavis> like
[07:19] <corza> pablo928: its ok but i rather gnome way better its much more useful
[07:20] <jeavis> http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:20] <geneo93> kpeterson:  in one week hoary will be released
[07:20] <Caveman> guys got a quick question, can one upgrade from one release to the next with apt ?
[07:20] <geneo93> kpeterson:  its really nice now
[07:21] <kpeterson> geneo93: I just mean things like ubuntuguide.org, they seem to be geared towards warty, you know?
[07:21] <geneo93> Caveman:  yes
[07:21] <corza> pablo928: thanks dude i just realised i could use my keyboard :)
[07:21] <Caveman> geneo93: wonderful, thanks :)
[07:21] <geneo93> kpeterson:  it will change soon
[07:21] <corza> Caveman: off of Yahoo??
[07:21] <Caveman> corza: nope, I dont have yahoo
[07:22] <corza> ah ok nevermind then
[07:22] <kpeterson> geneo93: *sigh* fine
[07:22] <geneo93> Caveman:  if you have gaim you can have
[07:22] <pablo928>  corza:When I set mine up I found most of my keys i could assign a function to
[07:22] <Caveman> yeah I have gaim,
[07:22] <corza> pablo928: yeah me too i cant for some but most i can :)
[07:22] <geneo93> kpeterson:  most everybody here has made the change
[07:23] <Caveman> I think msn, irc, aim, jabber and irc are enough.
[07:23] <corza> pablo928: i assigned my media ones to it and thats about all i use anyway
[07:23] <corza> Caveman: no it just that i met a guy in Yahoo Chat a while ago with 'caveman' as his user
[07:23] <jeavis> where I can get info for hoary like http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:23] <Caveman> corza: fair enough :)
[07:24] <corza> Caveman: sure is :P where ya from?
[07:24] <pablo928>  corza:i added a firefox launcher shortcut, but i never fremember to use it
[07:24] <AcidWolf> brb reboot
[07:24] <Br34ch> By average, how long does it take for the CDs to be transported from the day it's ordered?
[07:24] <Caveman> corza: australia
[07:24] <corza> pablo928: yeah i just use the launcher on the top next to the system dropdown menu thing
[07:24] <Caveman> you ?
[07:24] <corza> Caveman: yes QLD
[07:24] <Caveman> Oh sydney here.
[07:25] <Caveman> first time in the channel in fact..
[07:25] <corza> Caveman: make that NQLD then :P lol.. kicked bulldogs ass last week
[07:25] <kpeterson> geneo93: Once I change my repositories list, how do i get everything to update?
[07:25] <Caveman> long time debian user..
[07:25] <corza> Caveman: kicked Warriors ass today
[07:25] <Caveman> however its lost its way :)
[07:25] <Caveman> corza: haha don't remind me :P
[07:25] <corza> Caveman: =D
[07:26] <corza> Caveman: yeah i've used a few distros none compare to Ubuntu for sure
[07:26] <geneo93> ok best way is to do apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade kpeterson
[07:26] <Caveman> corza: yeah, I am happy with my current setup, however its just too much of a pain in the ass to get off the ground.
[07:26] <Caveman> the installer is a pain in the ass.
[07:26] <Caveman> debian installer that is.
[07:27] <corza> Caveman: yeah it is
[07:27] <corza> Caveman: i found the Ubuntu installer piss easy
[07:27] <Caveman> seems that ubuntu is debian with all the bad bits removed :)
[07:27] <corza> Caveman: it was like heaven on an installer lol except it had no graphical.. that was the only downside
[07:27] <geneo93> but its worth not giving your money to microsoft
[07:27] <Caveman> corza: thats nice to hear.
[07:27] <Caveman> corza: bugger
[07:28] <kpeterson> geneo93: sorry could have looked that one up.  I sure hope MPlayer install works after this :-P
[07:28] <corza> do u think its ever worth giving ur money to microsoft lol
[07:28] <Caveman> how does the instaler deal with things like nvidia cards ?
[07:28] <corza> giving ur money to microsoft is like giving ur money to telstra
[07:28] <corza> i hate telstra so much
[07:28] <Caveman> corza: yep, me too.
[07:28] <corza> Caveman: i'm a NODE :)
[07:28] <Caveman> I am with optus, almost as bad..
[07:28] <corza> Caveman: internode all the way
[07:28] <Caveman> cool
[07:29] <corza> Caveman: its excellent just got adsl enabled in my exchange the other day. they are fast reliable and the customer support is great
[07:29] <Caveman> NICE :D
[07:29] <Caveman> I am too far from my exchange for adsl
[07:29] <corza> Caveman: and the best thing is the unmetered content.. it has a mirror for ubuntu.. so all my updates and everything are UNMETERED :) lol
[07:29] <Caveman> haha
[07:29] <Caveman> very useful.
[07:29] <corza> it is
[07:30] <Caveman> can ubuntu run kde ?
[07:30] <Caveman> I know the default is gnome.
[07:30] <corza> it can
[07:30] <Caveman> but I am gussing apt-get install kde fixes that?
[07:30] <jeavis> heit
[07:30] <geneo93> Caveman:  yes do a apt-get install kde
[07:30] <corza> or Synaptic.. i find synaptic to be my buddy
[07:30] <jeavis> where I can watch docs for hoary
[07:30] <Caveman> hehe yeah
[07:30] <Caveman> its a good tool.
[07:30] <Caveman> does ubuntu have aptitude ?
[07:31] <SiRrUs> Caveman take a  look in the topic
[07:31] <corza> yeah its weird coz i read a review somewhere that said it was 'hard to use' and i was sketchy of using it then i got into it and i was like wow this is easy lol
[07:31] <Caveman> SiRrUs: about kubuntu ?
[07:31] <SiRrUs> Caveman yep
[07:32] <Caveman> yeah I saw that.
[07:32] <Caveman> nice to see its coming with kde 3.4
[07:32] <geneo93> Caveman:  its great
[07:32] <Caveman> geneo93: you using it ?
[07:32] <geneo93> yes
[07:32] <Caveman> cool.
[07:33] <geneo93> watching SNL here on computer
[07:33] <Caveman> I have a friend who is getting into linux, and I was thinking of debian, but that installer is just too much.. but ubuntu looks ideal.
[07:33] <httpdss> how can i change the font size of qt designer ???
[07:34] <geneo93> maybe you need qt-config
[07:34] <ells> anyone know why I cannot get mp3s to play in linux
[07:34] <geneo93> ells get kde
[07:35] <ells> geneo93, will that make a difference
[07:35] <geneo93> well it played them witout all the other stuff right off
[07:35] <corza> argh my keyboard shortcuts arent working for xmms
[07:35] <theantix> geneo93: why are you giving such poor advice?  he wants to play mp3s not install kde
[07:35] <ells> geneo93: will try that
[07:35] <Caveman> ells: what player you using ?
[07:36] <theantix> ells: do you want to play mp3s in rhymbox?
[07:36] <ruffian> Hi
[07:36] <corza> eek rhythem box is shit!!
[07:36] <geneo93> theantix:  its not poor advice for newbe
[07:36] <Kazuhiro> Any one working on documenting setting up a chroot with more newbie friendly instructions?
[07:36] <ells> theantix, I would like to, yes
[07:36] <Cube-ness> anybody know why lately in hoary xorg is ay slow.. screen updtes and such?  it never used to be that way.  i stil have hw ogl and such, but the screeen is very unresponsive in both gnome and kde
[07:36] <Cube-ness> hi geneo93
[07:36] <corza> ells: get xmms dude
[07:36] <Caveman> ells:  I don't know much about ubuntu but I have used linux a long time and I fail to see how installing kde will help :)
[07:36] <ruffian> I am trying to install the fglrx driver, but it gives me two options,  xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu8
[07:36] <ruffian>   xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu8
[07:36] <geneo93> hey Cube-ness
[07:36] <ells> corza, xmms locks up on me every single time
[07:36] <corza> ells: really??
[07:37] <ells> corza, yeap
[07:37] <Megabyte405> ruffian: choose the xorg one if you use hoary, xfree86 if you're warty.
[07:37] <theantix> ells: you want to install the gstreamer plugin to play mp3s, the package name is gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:37] <ruffian> Megabyte405: Thank you
[07:37] <ells> Caveman, I am upset that none of my mpe will work
[07:37] <ells> theantix, installed
[07:37] <corza> ells: geez, worked like a charm for me coz i couldnt get my .mp3 files working on rhythembox and i added that package
[07:37] <Megabyte405> not a problem.
[07:37] <Megabyte405> later all
[07:37] <ells> corza, i have all the gstreamer installed
[07:37] <corza> ells: i tried everything to get mp3 files working on it lol but yeah have u tried mplayer?
[07:37] <Caveman> ells: hm ok, do you get any error from your player ?
[07:37] <jeavis> How I can intall emacs
[07:38] <corza> ells: i believe you, because it didnt resolve it for me either
[07:38] <theantix> ells: you then might need to login/logout of gnome, or run gsr-register
[07:38] <Caveman> can you run it command line and see if it tosses something back.
[07:38] <ells> Caveman, hold one and I will get it for ya
[07:38] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  my kde is very quick and i have all the updates
[07:38] <Caveman> also try that gsr-register thing.
[07:38] <ells> theantix, what is gsr-register
[07:38] <tritium> ells, I looked for you when I logged in.
[07:38] <SiRrUs> ells what are you using for your sound output plugin
[07:38] <ells> tritium: Mike am I ever having issues
[07:38] <theantix> ells: from the command line type "gst-register", that registers the gstreamer plugins you have installed
[07:38] <tritium> ells, now what?  nvidia still?
[07:38] <jeavis> How I can Install Emacs
[07:39] <SiRrUs> hello tritium
[07:39] <ruffian> brb
[07:39] <ells> tritium: well nvidia is fixed
[07:39] <geneo93> Trit no we got that fixed
[07:39] <tritium> jeavis, emacs is already installed by default
[07:39] <ruffian> jeavis: sudo apt-get install emacs
[07:39] <tritium> hello SiRrUs
[07:39] <ells> tritium: no mp3 playability
[07:39] <ruffian> brb
[07:39] <tritium> ells, with what player?
[07:39] <ells> rhtyhmbox
[07:39] <tritium> ells, do you have gstreamer0.8-mad?
[07:39] <ells> tritium: fairly certain
[07:39] <corza> tritium: yes he does. i done the same thing i did and it didnt work for me either (i think anyway)
[07:40] <theantix> ells: definately try gst-register then, that should be all you'd need
[07:40] <corza> ells: have u tried mplayer?
[07:40] <ells> theantix, will try
[07:40] <tritium> corza, it should work...it works for me
[07:40] <tritium> ells, corza double check that you have it
[07:40] <ells> corza, mplayer is not available
[07:40] <jeavis> tritium; I have hoary ubuntu
[07:40] <ells> tritium: will do
[07:40] <Caveman> does anyone know if  gst-register needs to be run as root as well as user ?
[07:40] <tritium> jeavis, you should have it then
[07:40] <theantix> Caveman: running as local user is fine
[07:40] <caliber> How can I make tcpdump ignore the SSH data that is continously being sent by me telnetting to the machine?
[07:41] <caliber> like not monitor port 22
[07:41] <corza> ells: have u added universe and multiverse to the repositories?
[07:41] <ells> root@stevesnetwork:/home/steve # gst-register
[07:41] <tritium> jeavis, under Applications->Accessories
[07:41] <ells> bash: gst-register: command not found
[07:41] <Caveman> theantix: and running as root will have a global affect ?
[07:41] <jeavis> tritium; root@jeavis:~# emacs
[07:41] <jeavis> bash: emacs: command not found
[07:41] <jeavis> root@jeavis:~#
[07:41] <ells> corza, think so
[07:42] <tritium> jeavis, well, if you really don't have it, apt-get install emacs21
[07:42] <tritium> ells, so do you have it?
[07:42] <ells> tritium: one sec , checking
[07:42] <jeavis> tritium; ok 21
[07:42] <srid> where is the 'Human' or 'Industrial' cursor theme installed?
[07:43] <tritium> jeavis, apt-cache search emacs if you want to see what's available
[07:43] <theantix> Caveman: I'm not sure, but I think logging in/out has the same effect
[07:43] <Caveman> theantix: fair enough..
[07:43] <Caveman> been having issues with the crossfade etc in amarok and wondering if its something to do with a gstreamer update  a whle back.
[07:44] <tritium> ells, sorry about AZ
[07:44] <tritium> they kept it closer than I expected
[07:44] <ells> tritium: tell me bout it, I was extremeloy pissed
[07:45] <ells> tritium: I had to go and work on my computer. i was way way way pissed
[07:45] <tritium> ells, how do you have your Multimedia Systems Selector setup?
[07:45] <tritium> ells, don't get too worked up about it.  It's not healthy ;)
[07:45] <ells> tritium: not sure, will check that too. I just have to wait a sec, I am installing something
[07:46] <tritium> mplayer?  bah
[07:46] <tritium> you really don't need that just for mp3 ;)
[07:46] <tritium> it's nice for other things, of course
[07:46] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  you do fschk
[07:46] <ells> tritium: mplayer wont install, it says broken packages
[07:46] <syn-ack> All one needs is XM radio. Thats pure goodness. :p
[07:46] <tritium> ells, no biggie imho
[07:47] <theantix> ells: "gst-register" doesn't work??  you need to install libgstreamer0.8-0 then
[07:47] <geneo93> ells i just insralled it
[07:47] <ells> gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[07:47] <ells> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:47] <crimsun> gst-register-0.8, please.
[07:47] <syn-ack> tritium: when you dont have any commericals, you would think different
[07:47] <tritium> ells, run gstreamer-properties please
[07:47] <crimsun> the old version (0.6) is gst-register
[07:47] <tritium> syn-ack, not worth the $
[07:47] <ells> tritium: okay
[07:48] <syn-ack> tritium: I only pay $6.99 a month. ;)
[07:48] <theantix> crimsun: for me it's a symlink to the new one
[07:48] <ells> tritium: okay, what am I looking for
[07:48] <tritium> ells, I just want to know what you have setup
[07:48] <crimsun> theantix: ah, not here, though.
[07:48] <ells> tritium: oss, and esd
[07:49] <jeavis> thanks to all
[07:49] <tritium> ells, are you running the sound server?  change them both to esd
[07:49] <ells> okay
[07:49] <ells> tritium: did the test and it said failed to connect
[07:49] <corza> Ubuntu is by far the most popular Distro to date
[07:51] <helloyo> is hoary preview meant to have a boot splash? i just saw the word splash when it was booting somewhere, but there was no splash
[07:51] <tritium> ells, I'm calling in the big guns, if I can...
[07:51] <ells> tritium; okay
[07:51] <tritium> ells, what about nvidia?
[07:52] <tritium> ells, that seems like a more fundamental sound problem
[07:52] <ells> tritium: got that one fixed
[07:52] <coreDumped69> I need help :-(
[07:52] <tritium> ells, good
[07:52] <tritium> ells, with dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:52] <ells> tritium: went to play ut2004, no sound
[07:52] <ells> tritium: just kept tweaking it
[07:52] <tritium> ells, good for you.  Way to go, buddy.
[07:52] <ells> tritium: hey it is fun to get it working
[07:53] <ells> tritium: this sound thing has be stumped
[07:53] <ells> I have regular system sound
[07:53] <tritium> ells, hold on a second re: the sound
[07:53] <tritium> which chipset?
[07:53] <coreDumped69> I got ubuntu installed on my friend's system... it boots but when it switches to graphics mode, the comp locks up and I can't even switch to another terminal
[07:53] <ells> tritium: who me
[07:53] <tritium> ells, yes
[07:53] <ells> tritium: aw, nvidia
[07:54] <tritium> ells, lsmod | grep snd gives you what?
[07:54] <ells> okay,hold one
[07:54] <tritium> don't paste.  use pastebin.com
[07:55] <coreDumped69> how can I get ubuntu to stop before gdm?
[07:55] <ells> tritium: do you see it
[07:55] <tritium> ells, yes, thanks
[07:56] <tritium> ells, that's very nearly my setup
[07:56] <tritium> ells, is esd running?
[07:56] <tritium> ells, pgrep esd
[07:56] <ells> tritium: okay, how can I check, okay
[07:56] <ells> root@stevesnetwork:/home/steve # pgrep esd
[07:56] <ells> 7934
[07:56] <tritium> okay, it is
[07:57] <crimsun> did you say which card you have, ells?  cat /proc/asound/modules
[07:57] <tritium> ells, big guns have arrived.
[07:57] <tritium> :)
[07:57] <ells> tritium cool
[07:58] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  have you checked fs lately
[07:59] <coreDumped69> anybody know how to boot ubuntu to stop before going into gdm, and just stop at the login prompt?
[08:00] <geneo93> coreDumped69:  no but you can do telint3
[08:00] <ells> crimsun: sorry
[08:00] <ells> crimsun, you were saying
[08:01] <crimsun> ells: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:02] <ells> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0
[08:02] <wilbertoki> hello, I am new to ubuntu from debian and I was wondering what ubuntus version of rcconf is to select which services start at boot?
[08:03] <crimsun> ells: sound works everywhere save ut2k4?
[08:03] <ells> crimsun, no mp3 audio
[08:03] <ells> either
[08:03] <coreDumped69> geno, telint3? the computer is locking up switching to graphics mode, so I'd like to prevent it from starting gdm
[08:03] <tritium> wilbertoki, 1.8 in Warty.  1.11 in Hoary
[08:03] <wilbertoki> tritium: I am running hoary , what is 1.11??
[08:03] <tritium> coreDumped69, no, telinit to different runlevels is not how to stop gdm
[08:04] <tritium> wilbertoki, rcconf
[08:04] <geneo93> ctrl alt backspace sould kill x
[08:04] <tritium> that's what you asked about, right, wilbertoki ?
[08:04] <crimsun> ells: even with beep-media-player or xmms?
[08:04] <coreDumped69> no, the computer completely locks up... can't even ctrl-alt-f1
[08:04] <ells> crimsun: xmms locks every time
[08:04] <geneo93> ctrl alt f1 will get you xterm
[08:05] <ells> crimsun: i usually ue rhtymbox
[08:05] <tritium> geneo93, not an xterm, actually.  A virtual console
[08:05] <geneo93> well it works when x dont
[08:05] <tritium> yes
[08:05] <ells> crimsun; can even double click. it goes to totem, and it says it cannot play mp3
[08:05] <crimsun> ells: and you installed 'gstreamer0.8-mad' from universe?
[08:05] <coreDumped69> but once it switches to graphics mode, it hard locks... no way to boot from grub to prevent it from going to gdm? gdm isn't in a different runlevel?
[08:06] <ells> crimsun: I have it installed, not sure where from though
[08:06] <tritium> coreDumped69, have you checked your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[08:06] <tritium> coreDumped69, (assuming you're running Hoary)
[08:06] <geneo93> tritium:  he prolly cant
[08:07] <coreDumped69> no, it's warty, and I can't check the logs, it locks up
[08:07] <ells> crimsun: I can paste my sources on a sep. screen for ya
[08:07] <geneo93> coreDumped69:  does it have fail safe option in grub
[08:08] <tritium> coreDumped69, this is the debian manual on how to disable X at boot: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[08:08] <tritium> coreDumped69, same applies for ubuntu
[08:08] <crimsun> ells: dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-mad|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[08:08] <coreDumped69> tritium: thanks, i'll give it a try
[08:08] <tritium> coreDumped69, no problem
[08:08] <ells> okay, hold one
[08:09] <ells> crimsun, okay
[08:09] <Roey> crimsun:  better here?
[08:10] <wilbertoki> tritium: sorry I was gone -- yes rcconf -- I can use rcconf right? But I was thinking ubuntu might have added something nicer
[08:10] <crimsun> Roey: best here.
[08:10] <Roey> ok
[08:10] <Roey> didn't realize that was not the place
[08:10] <tritium> wilbertoki, I don't see why not.
[08:10] <Roey> crimsun:  so anyway, you have that link?
[08:10] <crimsun> Roey: read, and it looks like debian/rules is severely broken
[08:11] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[08:11] <fabbione> Roey: it's nothing personal really :-) and don't worry.. we don't bite ;)
[08:11] <Roey> fabbione:  =)
[08:11] <ells> crimsun: root@stevesnetwork:/home/steve # dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-mad|grep ^ii|awk `{print $3} `
[08:11] <ells> bash: {print: command not found
[08:11] <Roey> fabbione:  there are a few other issues I want to ask of you (that are related to kernel drivers)
[08:11] <mrquick> hey is anyone able to play dvds' in totem on hoary hedgehog?
[08:11] <fabbione> Roey: just ask, if i don't answer, somebody will
[08:12] <crimsun> ells: gotta use the precise syntax I used
[08:12] <crimsun> ells: not ` but '
[08:12] <tritium> mrquick, most people find xine-ui or gxine easier to use with dvd playback
[08:12] <ells> crimsun: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4
[08:12] <Roey> fabbione:  oh I will, I don't wanna lose my train of thought on the current issue
[08:12] <ells> criimsun: thanks
[08:12] <crimsun> ells: ok, good
[08:12] <ells> crimsun: what next
[08:12] <tritium> mrquick, you'll need libdvdcss2 from Marillat's repo most likely
[08:12] <Roey> fabbione:  but did you see what crimsun wrote here above, that debian/rules for the linux-wacom-kernel package is severely broken?
[08:12] <crimsun> ells: and what was the result of (re)executing ,,sudo gst-register-0.8'' ?
[08:13] <ells> crimsun: will try hold one
[08:13] <Roey> fabbione, crimsun:  is it something I can fix in-place? or should I contact the module maintainers and tell them to get it in shape?
[08:13] <crimsun> Roey: you should file a bug against its BTS entry
[08:13] <Roey> fabbione, crimsun:  this tablet has been laying on the table for the past year because of driver issues, and this is the closest I've come to solving them.
[08:13] <ells> crimsun: root@stevesnetwork:/home/steve # sudo gst-register-8.8
[08:13] <ells> sudo: gst-register-8.8: command not found
[08:13] <Roey> crimsun:  I don't know what to say there
[08:14] <mrquick> tritium, I've got libdvdread and that seems to work for mplayer, but totem just freezes
[08:14] <tritium> ells, 8.0
[08:14] <fabbione> Roey: checking.. just a sec
[08:14] <ells> tritium: okay
[08:14] <tritium> ells, 0.8, rather
[08:14] <fabbione> dpkg -p linux-wacom-kernel
[08:14] <fabbione> Package `linux-wacom-kernel' is not available.
[08:14] <fabbione> Roey: what package is that?
[08:14] <dcm> excuse me
[08:14] <tritium> mrquick, that's not enough for encrypted dvds
[08:14] <ells> tritium; it loaded some plugings
[08:15] <Roey> wacom-kernel-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic - wacom modules for Linux kernel-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[08:15] <dcm> I just came here to ask for some signatures on my petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/
[08:15] <Roey> fabbione:  wacom-kernel-source - Source for the wacom binary modules
[08:15] <Roey> fabbione:  try installing that
[08:15] <tritium> ells, okay.  that's what crimsun wanted to know
[08:15] <Roey> fabbione:  and try --enabling "hid", "usbmouse", "mousedev", "evdev", "tabletdev" in debian/rules
[08:15] <mrquick> tritium, that's what I was thinking but mplayer seems to be decrypting without libdvdcss2 I know I haven't installed it
[08:15] <ells> tritium: should I restart my pc, it still would not play mp3
[08:15] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit
[08:15] <Roey> fabbione:  then make a deb package out of it
[08:15] <Burgundavia> can anyone else see the chars on that page
[08:15] <Roey> fabbione:  install the package,
[08:16] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:16] <Roey> fabbione:  dpkg -L the package
[08:16] <crimsun> Roey: the problem is that the conditional test for wacom.o fails to copy over the _other_ compiled modules, and for good reason, since the hid option is disabled by default in debian rules, so it won't copy over non-compiled modules
[08:16] <tritium> mrquick, maybe so, I don't know about mplayer
[08:16] <Roey> fabbione:  and see how it doesn't install anything
[08:16] <fabbione> Roey: that package is in universe -> not supported. You need to contact the MOTU's for it
[08:16] <Roey> MOTU?
[08:16] <crimsun> fabbione: I'm working with him on it.
[08:16] <ells> crimsun: what should I do now
[08:16] <crimsun> ells: sec, trying to do a few zillion things simultaneously =)
[08:16] <Roey> =)
[08:16] <ells> crimsun, cool
[08:16] <fabbione> Roey: and it is not supposed to create a deb, but needs to be used together with kernel-package and module-assistant (or something like that)
[08:17] <Roey> fabbione:  ok
[08:17] <blawson> Can anyone help me with a ACPI problem on an Inspirion 8600 laptop? I can get it to suspend to RAM, but when it resumes, I get a screensaver looking thing with lines all through it and I am forced to reboot to correct this
[08:17] <tritium> ells, give a quick try with rhythmbox again now
[08:17] <Roey> fabbione:  well, the heart of the matter is that this module provides replacement drives for hid, usbmouse, evdev, and mousedev.
[08:17] <ells> tritium; okay
[08:17] <crimsun> Roey: the easiest way to work around it presently is to copy over all the other modules
[08:17] <tritium> blawson, did you try Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to X ?
[08:17] <Roey> fabbione:  without them, you can't use the tablet and a USB mouse together.
[08:17] <Roey> crimsun:  that's just it, I can't find them anywhere
[08:18] <blawson> tritium, let me try that now
[08:18] <crimsun> Roey: that's because they're not copied over in debian/rules, like I said above
[08:18] <tritium> blawson, upon resume, that is....
[08:18] <Roey> crimsun:  I meant, I can't find them in the src/
[08:18] <ells> tritium: I am jamming now, with my tunes
[08:18] <Roey> crimsun:  oh
[08:18] <Roey> crimsun:  you mean,
[08:18] <tritium> ells, super
[08:18] <Roey> crimsun:  copy the module sources
[08:18] <ells> tritium: as always you guys are the bomb
[08:18] <Roey> crimsun:  and then build the new kernel completely
[08:18] <ells> thanks tritium: crimsun
[08:18] <tritium> ells, it was crimsun this time that helped you
[08:19] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, Thanks for your help the other day!
[08:19] <ells> tritium: like any general, you gotta have good partners
[08:19] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: np
[08:19] <crimsun> ells: np, tritium walked you through it.
[08:19] <DragoraN> hi
[08:19] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, It would seem more x86_64 packages need to be made, is this the case?
[08:19] <ells> crimsun, thanks anyway
[08:19] <blawson> tritum: nope that doesnt work, the keyboard seems totally unresponsive on resume
[08:19] <crimsun> Roey: no, I meant fixing debian/rules.  Sec, I'll try to generate one for you.
[08:19] <Burgundavia> Roey: you running Hoary?
[08:19] <Roey> Burgundavia:  aye
[08:19] <tritium> ells, who was the other with a similar problem?
[08:20] <tritium> is he still here?
[08:20] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: in what sense?
[08:20] <ells> tritium: I forget
[08:20] <Roey> Burgundavia:  I hope that kubuntu will someday detect this and automatically Make It So for the end user
[08:20] <Burgundavia> Roey: can you see the inuit chars on these page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit
[08:20] <tritium> ells, well, if you see him, pass on the knowledge :)
[08:20] <Roey> Burgundavia:  no, they're all squares
[08:20] <Roey> Burgundavia:  but don't you need Inuit fonts?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> Roey: ok. I will file a bug report
[08:20] <Roey> Burgundavia:  do you speak Inuit?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> Roey: no
[08:20] <ells> tritium: will do
[08:20] <tritium> ells, okay, so what next?
[08:20] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, Things such as mplayer, and the sources listed on the wiki are producing errors, and such when following the wiki things dont seem to work as listed.
[08:20] <Burgundavia> Roey: they should display though
[08:21] <Roey> Burgundavia:  maybe I should change my encoding
[08:21] <ells> tritium: well, I am gonna see if the sound will now work on ut2004
[08:21] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, or its me :)
[08:21] <Burgundavia> Roey: when did you install?
[08:21] <ells> tritium: my kids want to play it
[08:21] <Roey> Burgundavia:  last week.
[08:21] <Burgundavia> Roey: ok then, shouldn't be an issue
[08:21] <tritium> ells, okay.  Isn't that kind of violent for kids?
[08:21] <ells> tritium: be right back
[08:21] <ells> tritium: I turn it down
[08:21] <tritium> your call, not mine, anyway ;0
[08:21] <ells> tritium: they get to shoot, but no blood
[08:21] <tritium> :)
[08:21] <lancelott> hi
[08:22] <tritium> cool
[08:22] <Burgundavia> crimsun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit -- can you also confirm that all you see is squares for the inuit chars?
[08:22] <Roey> ells:  how old are they?
[08:22] <ells> tritium: I am like you, I dont want my kids seeing the blood
[08:22] <dcm> Can I please get some signatures: http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/?
[08:22] <ells> Roey, 8
[08:22] <ells> Roey, I will be here with him
[08:22] <tritium> ells, cool.  I'm thinking you may need to disable the sound server for the game to have sound, but give it a try
[08:22] <Burgundavia> dcm: if that is a joke, it is a sick one
[08:23] <ells> tritium: will try it, be right back
[08:23] <crimsun> Burgundavia: I'm running Firefox 1.0.2 on XP, but I get question marks.
[08:23] <Burgundavia> dcm: if it isn't, I suggest you remove yourself from the community
[08:23] <dcm> It's not a joke...
[08:23] <Roey> ells, tritium:  wow, hooray for parental involvement :) this is just what the US needs -- not govt involvement (imo)
[08:23] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: amd64 uses a different mplayer repo
[08:23] <dcm> I'm trying to help the future of Ubunut
[08:23] <dcm> Ubuntu*
[08:23] <lancelott> ubunut? xd
[08:23] <Roey> Sit, Ubunut, sit.
[08:23] <dcm> I don't know this nigger slang :<
[08:23] <Roey> (who was a real dog btw)
[08:23] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: are you using [deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main] ?
[08:24] <tritium> dcm stop that right now!
[08:24] <Roey> dcm:  ??
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Ubunut (oo-boon-nut) noun: A crazy user of Ubuntu
[08:24] <HiPn0t|zE> hurro
[08:24] <dcm> What?
[08:24] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, nope
[08:24] <ells> tritium; I think you are right
[08:24] <HiPn0t|zE> so lyke. . how do i use ubuntu
[08:24] <tritium> dcm, your racism is highly offensive and has no place here whatsoever
[08:24] <HiPn0t|zE> im downloading the liveCD version now
[08:24] <ells> tritium: how can I do that
[08:24] <crimsun> dcm: please observe the CoC
[08:24] <dcm> I'm not racist
[08:25] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ main unstable
[08:25] <HiPn0t|zE> how do i get online
[08:25] <Burgundavia> dcm: if you advertise that again, I will be forced to report that to the Community council, which will probably get you banned from this channel
[08:25] <tritium> ells, System->Preferences->Sound will toggle the setting for future sessions, but you'll have to kill the currently running esd
[08:25] <Burgundavia> dcm: and I am very serious
[08:25] <HiPn0t|zE> how do i get online with a dlink 200 usb
[08:25] <crimsun> dcm: [http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct] 
[08:25] <ells> tritium: okay
[08:25] <HiPn0t|zE> i have dlink 200
[08:26] <Twiggy> How do I turn dma on on my /dev/hdc
[08:26] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: please use the repo I gave you
[08:26] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: that one has amd64 debs
[08:26] <HiPn0t|zE> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Twiggy: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[08:26] <HiPn0t|zE> ehbwoiahneoibhnwaioejhbio
[08:26] <dcm> ?_?
[08:26] <dcm> Why are you guys mad at me?
[08:26] <Twiggy> Burgundavia:  Thankya
[08:26] <tritium> dcm, you know exactly why.
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Twiggy: read the whole man hdparm. Some good other tweaks there, but READ the man page first
[08:26] <crimsun> please reread the CoC if you're unclear.
[08:26] <HiPn0t|zE> racist fuck
[08:26] <dcm> I'm trying to help the future of the distro
[08:26] <tritium> HiPn0t|zE, that doesn't help any
[08:26] <crimsun> HiPn0t|zE: that's not helping, either
[08:27] <Bazzi> dcm: you may leave _now_.
[08:27] <HiPn0t|zE> hrm
[08:27] <HiPn0t|zE> okay
[08:27] <Burgundavia> HiPn0t|zE: that also doesn't help
[08:27] <tritium> dcm, our community is built upon respect
[08:27] <crimsun> guys, the best way is just to ignore him/her instead of insulting him/her
[08:27] <HiPn0t|zE> okays
[08:27] <dcm> I'm not being disrespectful...
[08:27] <HiPn0t|zE> :)
[08:27] <dcm> I politely asked for support for my petition
[08:27] <Roey> teh
[08:28] <ells> tritium; when I am done, how to bring back the sound for the system and music
[08:28] <Burgundavia> ells: 'esd &'
[08:28] <tritium> ells, esd -nobeeps
[08:28] <HiPn0t|zE> does ubuntu have drivers for usb modems ?
[08:28] <ells> tritium: cool
[08:28] <crimsun> HiPn0t|zE: yes, through the standard usbnet drivers that are included in the kernel
[08:28] <tritium> ells, just don't change the Sound Preferences settings, and you'll be all set at next login
[08:29] <HiPn0t|zE> crimsun is there a list of some sort so i can check for my modem ?
[08:29] <dcm> Help secure the future of the Ubunutu Linux distro.: http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/
[08:29] <tritium> dcm, it's your petition that's the problem.  Now that's the last we'll discuss it
[08:29] <ells> tritium; have to wait to the login, okay
[08:29] <tritium> ells, don't have to.  You can restart the sound server now
[08:29] <dcm> I don't see anything wrong with it
[08:29] <crimsun> HiPn0t|zE: the usbnet driver is generic and supports all usb modems that follow its standard.
[08:29] <ells> tritium; how so
[08:29] <Burgundavia> ells: if you already logged in and you need to restart your esd server, use the esd command
[08:29] <tritium> Burgundavia, I support reporting that to the CC
[08:30] <Burgundavia> tritium: ok
[08:30] <HiPn0t|zE> crimsun : i have a dlink 200 usb modem , would that work
[08:30] <ells> tritium: i did that it acts like it is working, but no sound
[08:30] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, thanks again :)
[08:30] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: np
[08:30] <ells> tritium: the meter is working, but no sound
[08:30] <crimsun> HiPn0t|zE: it should (I can't vouch for that model specifically)
[08:30] <HiPn0t|zE> crimsun : well i run pppoa
[08:30] <crimsun> Roey: (working on it)
[08:31] <geneo93> HiPn0t|zE:  what are u using for ppp
[08:31] <HiPn0t|zE> geneo93 pppoa
[08:31] <geneo93> ok
[08:31] <HiPn0t|zE> geneo93 but ive also used it on pppoe
[08:31] <Roey> crimsun:  ah ok
[08:31] <Burgundavia> tritium: grabbed a log of it
[08:31] <tritium> ells, you're kidding
[08:31] <Roey> crimsun:  I swear to god I will be very very very happy if kubuntu's next release addresses most of my issues
[08:32] <ells> tritium: nope
[08:32] <HiPn0t|zE> geneo93 it works for both
[08:32] <ells> tritium: I am log out and see what happens
[08:32] <Roey> sorry
[08:32] <Roey> crimsun:  I meant ubuntu
[08:32] <tritium> Burgundavia, okay.  Thanks.
[08:32] <Roey> crimsun:  (and the kubuntu packages as well, as I have issues with KDE there too)
[08:32] <tritium> Burgundavia, if you need me to gpg-sign anything, or whatever, let me know
[08:32] <HiPn0t|zE> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/tutorial.php?lang=en
[08:32] <ells> tritium: Mike who was that guy that was in here
[08:32] <Burgundavia> tritium: I am just going to report it and see what happens
[08:32] <geneo93> sure wish i could get kppp to work
[08:32] <tritium> Burgundavia, okay
[08:33] <HiPn0t|zE> ahh
[08:33] <HiPn0t|zE> try this
[08:33] <HiPn0t|zE> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/tutorial.php?lang=en
[08:33] <ells> tritium: what did he say
[08:33] <tritium> ells, he's still here.  Scroll up.  I don't want to repeat it at all
[08:33] <ells> tritium: will look, thanks
[08:33] <dcm> I propose this as the new logo
[08:33] <dcm> http://img196.exs.cx/img196/176/login3aw.jpg
[08:34] <lancelott> well I'm going to go install gentoo now
[08:34] <lancelott> bye
[08:34] <HiPn0t|zE> gentoo is fun
[08:34] <tritium> lancelott, what's the problem?
[08:34] <lancelott> tritium: nothing
[08:34] <HiPn0t|zE> but i cant get it runnin online thats all
[08:34] <HiPn0t|zE> ;\
[08:34] <lancelott> tritium: just came in here out of boredom
[08:34] <ells> tritium: it isnt there anymore
[08:34] <tritium> lancelott, oh, okay.  I thought you needed some ubuntu help
[08:35] <tritium> ells, yes, it's right above
[08:35] <dcm> What does everyone think about this as the new logo: http://img196.exs.cx/img196/176/login3aw.jpg?
[08:35] <dcm> It needs a little more work, but it's a start
[08:35] <HiPn0t|zE> eat shit dcm
[08:35] <dcm> No thank you
[08:35] <HiPn0t|zE> ok
[08:35] <crimsun> HiPn0t|zE: remember the CoC, please, even for people who are disrespectful.
[08:36] <HiPn0t|zE> okie dokie
[08:36] <Anubis> crimsun,  how do i add your repository for hoary?
[08:36] <crimsun> Anubis: my repo is specifically for Warty and will be disabled one month following Hoary's release.
[08:36] <Anubis> ok
[08:36] <Anubis> thx
[08:36] <crimsun> np
[08:37] <Bazzi> isnt there anyone who can ban people from here? ;)
[08:37] <tritium> Bazzi, not at the moment
[08:37] <ells> dcm: i saw your jacked up petition: you need to get a life and leave
[08:37] <HiPn0t|zE> what's the difference between the livecd and the other version ?
[08:38] <dcm> I have a life
[08:38] <tritium> Let's all not forget to be respectful, despite the display we've seen.  Let's all rise above it.
[08:38] <geneo93> HiPn0t|zE:  the other is install cd
[08:38] <ells> dcm: I dont think so
[08:38] <dcm> ok
[08:38] <HiPn0t|zE> don't understand
[08:38] <ells> dcm: take your racist crap elsewhere
[08:38] <dcm> I'm not racist
[08:38] <ells> dcm: you can leave anytime
[08:38] <Bazzi> ok so lets /ignore him for a start.
[08:38] <geneo93> live cd runs off cdrom
[08:38] <dcm> ok
[08:39] <HiPn0t|zE> so can i install stuff ?
[08:39] <tritium> dcm, your petition is, by all definitions, racist
[08:39] <geneo93> no
[08:39] <HiPn0t|zE> ohhh.
[08:39] <dcm> I'm sorry you feel that way
[08:39] <HiPn0t|zE> so what exactly does it do
[08:39] <munki> HiP , Live-cd is only for running ununtu directly from the cd..
[08:39] <ells> dcm: you must have lived a very sheltered life
[08:39] <drummer87> live is to try hoary out w/o installing to hdd
[08:39] <tritium> dcm, please stop posting any such related material.  It is not welcome here.
[08:39] <geneo93> runs everything on that cd
[08:39] <munki> Hip , the install-cd is for installing ubuntu on your hd
[08:40] <ells> dcm: this is a communtiy of friends, of all ethnicities
[08:40] <HiPn0t|zE> ohhhh
[08:40] <HiPn0t|zE> so like.. i can't use livecd to get on the net and etc
[08:40] <HiPn0t|zE> and install drivers etc
[08:40] <HiPn0t|zE> ahhhhh .. kay
[08:40] <dcm> Alright.
[08:40] <tritium> Thank you.
[08:40] <geneo93> HiPn0t|zE:  all thats done for you
[08:41] <munki> HiP , Nah, it's just for the ones who don't wan't to install ubuntu on their machine.
[08:41] <srid> where is the 'Human' or 'Industrial' cursor theme installed?
[08:41] <HiPn0t|zE> ahh .. hokays
[08:41] <HiPn0t|zE> but ubuntu runs like X .. as in gui right ?
[08:41] <munki> Hip . yup
[08:41] <geneo93> yes'
[08:41] <dcm> I have a problem to report with the Ubuntu live cd
[08:41] <HiPn0t|zE> ahh okay.. cuz i dont know all the cmd
[08:42] <dcm> 1. It has a negro on the label
[08:42] <dcm> 2. It doesn't work
[08:42] <tritium> dcm, you agreed to stop
[08:42] <neom> dcm - STFU
[08:42] <dcm> I'm asking for help
[08:42] <ells> tritium: mike, my music is back
[08:42] <neom> No one cares.
[08:42] <tritium> neom, don't return the hatred
[08:42] <dcm> I put the live cd in my computer and booted it up but it won't work.
[08:42] <tritium> ells, super
[08:42] <ells> tritium: i just logged out and came back
[08:42] <tritium> ells, okay
[08:43] <ells> tritium: I am listening to Josh Grobin
[08:43] <Boohbah> aren't there any ops in this channel?
[08:43] <tritium> ells, oh, okay
[08:43] <tritium> Boohbah, not yet
[08:43] <ells> tritium: what ya listen to
[08:43] <HiPn0t|zE> so .. can i use live cd while im runnin windows. . or something . .
[08:43] <HiPn0t|zE> or do i have to reboot
[08:43] <ells> tritium: for being the next op
[08:43] <HiPn0t|zE> and let it boot of cd
[08:43] <ells> tritium: who will second it
[08:43] <tritium> ells, I listen to so many different things
[08:44] <ells> tritium: me too
[08:44] <drummer87> Hip: u hav to reboot n it runs from the cd
[08:44] <munki> HiP , reboot the computer..
[08:44] <ells> everything from classical to r & b
[08:44] <tritium> me too
[08:44] <HiPn0t|zE> ahhh DAMN
[08:44] <HiPn0t|zE> i don't have anymore blanks
[08:44] <ells> tritium: great minds think alike
[08:44] <tritium> :)
[08:44] <munki> HiP , why don't you read the nice stuff on www.ubuntulinux.org -about the live cd ?
[08:45] <ells> tritium: I will play ut2004 tomorrow
[08:45] <ells> tritium: just gonna relax now
[08:45] <tritium> ells, going to bed?
[08:45] <HiPn0t|zE> hokays munki
[08:45] <ells> tritium: naw ,just relaxing
[08:45] <HiPn0t|zE> but i read somewhere about just runnin the livecd in windows
[08:45] <geneo93> na
[08:45] <tritium> ells, grab a drink?
[08:46] <ells> tritium: I am picking up my pops from the airport at 2 in the morning
[08:46] <Burgundavia> tritium: done
[08:46] <ells> tritium: coke, yes
[08:46] <bhna> HIP maybe wtih vmware?
[08:46] <HiPn0t|zE> ahh.. dw .. i re-read it. .
[08:46] <tritium> Burgundavia, good deal.  Did you get the latest stuff?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> no, but I will get another in a sec
[08:46] <HiPn0t|zE> so am i able to run a botnet off ubuntu
[08:47] <Burgundavia> tritium: I also got a screenshot of the webpage, in case he takes it down
[08:47] <tritium> Burgundavia, okay
[08:47] <crimsun> Roey: is there a strict ordering for wacom.ko?
[08:47] <crimsun> Roey: or can you point me to a url?
[08:47] <mello> hey guys, what's the terminal command to get the nvidia drivers
[08:47] <Roey> crimsun:  the order is that you have to load it before HID
[08:48] <Roey> crimsun:  hmm, where did I find this.. one second.
[08:48] <drummer87> i need some help someone.. i can't mount my usb drive coz i don't have sdb in /dev
[08:48] <dcm> good job
[08:48] <geneo93> mello:  apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:49] <mello> thanks.
[08:49] <geneo93> np
[08:49] <mello> is nvidia-glx the driver package?
[08:49] <Boohbah> HiPn0t|zE: uh.. what kind of a question is that?
[08:49] <fred> any idea why /lib/cpp would fail a sanity check?
[08:49] <mello> or an all-around nvidia program
[08:49] <bhna> mello: yes
[08:49] <tritium> mello, the actual driver is in linux-restricted-modules
[08:49] <drummer87> is there anywhere else it can be mounted?
[08:49] <dcm> fred: You are a homosexual.
[08:49] <crimsun> Roey: have you tried loading that new wacom?
[08:49] <mello> so where is the nvidia-glx?
[08:50] <crimsun> fred: sudo apt-get --reinstall install build-essential
[08:50] <bhna> dcm: please shutdown!
[08:50] <mello> multiverse, universe
[08:50] <Boohbah> dcm: you are only saying that because you want someone to stroke you because you don't get enough attention
[08:50] <ells> dcm: take your kkk self and leave
[08:50] <crimsun> mello: it's in restricted
[08:50] <dcm> Boohbah: Nope
[08:50] <mello> thanks man
[08:50] <Burgundavia> Boohbah: please respect the CoC as well
[08:50] <mello> i'm gonna restart
[08:51] <dcm> ells: The KKK is a Christian organization and I am not Christian. I suggest you not attempt to converse about things which you know nothing about.
[08:51] <Boohbah> Burgundavia: CoC? does it say something about feeding trolls?
[08:51] <Roey> crimsun:  "For kernel 2.6 and later, you almost certainly do not need the usbmouse module because it conflicts with the full usb hid driver, usbhid, which should be used in most cases. For kernel 2.4, I recommend you to build it."
[08:51] <Roey> crimsun:  that's (1)
[08:51] <crimsun> ells: your irc client has /ignore .  It's a great feature.  :)
[08:51] <Roey> crimsun:  (2), I'm stillt rying to find the loading order.
[08:51] <ells> dcm: anyway you slice it, take your disrepsectful self and go be by yourself
[08:51] <Burgundavia> Boohbah: sorry, I misread your comment
[08:51] <ells> crimsun, thanks will use that
[08:51] <jbass1234> hi all
[08:51] <jbass1234> I have a rather strange problem
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...
[08:52] <Burgundavia> salut jbass1234
[08:52] <jbass1234> everytime I open gdesklets controls rhytmbox opens on top of this
[08:52] <ells> crimsun, that jerk is no ignored
[08:52] <jbass1234> I've tried reinstalling it and it still does it
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Firefox just seems to crash when  i go to a page with flash movies onit.
[08:52] <jbass1234> how do I stop rhythmbox from openinng?
[08:52] <ells> WILL EVERYONE NOW IGNORE DCM FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY
[08:53] <dcm> Please stop yelling little niggle
[08:53] <ells> WILL EVERYONE NOW IGNORE DCM FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY
[08:53] <dcm> Please stop yelling little niggle
[08:53] <caffinated> somehow i think they both should go
[08:53] <ells> caffinated: who is that
[08:53] <dcm> ells is an anti-semite
[08:53] <Xira> Hi
[08:53] <caffinated> ells: you and dcm
[08:53] <Xira> I have installed Ubuntu on my main desktop
[08:54] <crimsun> ells: which irc client?
[08:54] <dcm> Your cool Xira
[08:54] <ells> caffinated, You must have me confused
[08:54] <Xira> and it detected my Dell 1704FP and Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb
[08:54] <Xira> but
[08:54] <Xira> When X starts
[08:54] <Xira> my monitor just turns off
[08:54] <ells> crimsun, not sure man
[08:54] <Xira> Like it's not receiving signal
[08:54] <Xira> It's using DVI
[08:54] <Burgundavia> jbass1234: very wierd
[08:54] <ells> caffinated: I am just wanting the site to be free of racism
[08:54] <Burgundavia> jbass1234: but having never used gdesklets, I cannot help you
[08:54] <caffinated> ells: then you should just let it drop instead of screaming in all caps at the rest of us.
[08:55] <dcm> ells is an anti-semite
[08:55] <dcm> He supports a man who destroyed 6 million of my people
[08:55] <Xira> Can anyone help me?
[08:55] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/aVxQlJ89.html
[08:55] <Roey> crimsun:  that's the order right there.
[08:55] <crimsun> Xira: warty or hoary?
[08:55] <ells> caffinated:my bad, just get riled up about things like that, but you are right
[08:55] <Xira> crimsun: Whichever 4.10 is
[08:56] <crimsun> Xira: Warty, ok.
[08:56] <caffinated> ells: besides, trolls go hungry when you're not feeding them ;)
[08:56] <HiPn0t|zE> like is the livecd version stable enuff to run a server
[08:56] <Burgundavia> HiPn0t|zE: you would be taking an awful performance hit for doing so, but you could
[08:56] <ells> caffinated: you are right my friend
[08:56] <geneo93> HiPn0t|zE:  why would you want to run a server off live cd
[08:57] <drummer87> can someone please help me?
[08:57] <drummer87> i can't mount my thumb drive
[08:57] <Boohbah> the best way to deal with trolls in here would be to GET SOME OPS
[08:57] <HiPn0t|zE> cuz i dont have enough space
[08:57] <Burgundavia> drummer87: what does dmesg say?
[08:57] <fred> hmm. why would a configure script not be able to find "X includes"
[08:57] <crimsun> fred: warty or hoary?
[08:58] <fred> hoary
[08:58] <Kazuhiro> When setting up a chroot to use cadega, do I need to restup sound and nvidia acceleration in the chroot?
[08:58] <crimsun> fred: install libx11-dev
[08:58] <crimsun> Kazuhiro: no.
[08:58] <fred> crimsun: thanks
[08:58] <Xira> Any idea...?
[08:58] <Xira> =(
[08:58] <Kazuhiro> crimsun,  when running glxgears in the chroot it fails
[08:58] <crimsun> Xira: does the normal radeon driver work?
[08:58] <caffinated> Kazuhiro: iirc, you don't need a chroot environment to use cedega
[08:58] <Xira> crimsun: Well, it's whatever driver it detected by default
[08:58] <drummer87> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22309
[08:58] <Xira> I tried reconfiguring it
[08:58] <Kazuhiro> crimsun, Segmentation fault
[08:58] <Xira> and everything looked ok
[08:59] <Xira> but it still does it
[08:59] <Kazuhiro> caffinated, im using x86_64
[08:59] <Burgundavia> drummer87: you should just be able to plug it in
[08:59] <srid> where is the 'Human' or 'Industrial' cursor theme installed?
[08:59] <HiPn0t|zE> weeeeee
[08:59] <HiPn0t|zE> :D
[09:00] <drummer87> Burgundavia: i do but i get this from dmesg:  ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: port 1 reset error -110
[09:00] <drummer87> hub 3-0:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -32)
[09:00] <fred> crimsun: when checking for libz i get not found. any ideas?
[09:00] <crimsun> fred: install zlib1g-dev
[09:00] <Xira> heh
[09:00] <Burgundavia> drummer87: what type of drive do you have?
[09:00] <Xira> I guess I have to use another distro?
[09:00] <bhna> srid: maybe in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons
[09:00] <Xira> :-/
[09:01] <Boohbah> lamont: thank you ;)
[09:01] <HiPn0t|zE> is there a program to launch the livecd .. cuz i dont have any blank cds
[09:01] <crimsun> Xira: grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4|tail -1
[09:01] <Burgundavia> srid: look under ubuntu-artwork package
[09:01] <drummer87> Burgundavia: benq 128meg
[09:01] <Burgundavia> srid: may be in there
[09:01] <srid> sri@infinity:~ $ ls /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/
[09:01] <Boohbah> lamont: dcm has been trolling #kubuntu too
[09:01] <srid> default  handhelds  redglass  whiteglass
[09:01] <Xira> crimsun: what's that do? o.O
[09:01] <srid> kde showed me the 'Human' cursor theme
[09:01] <drummer87> Burgundavia: it sometimes works if it's plugged while booting
[09:01] <crimsun> Xira: it tells me what driver XFree86 is configured to use for your graphics card
[09:02] <lamont> Boohbah: /me has no ops there
[09:02] <Xira> Heh
[09:02] <drummer87> but otherwise i do mount and it says /dev/sdb does not exist
[09:02] <Burgundavia> drummer87: that is odd. You running hoary or warty?
[09:02] <Xira> I guess I'd have to try intstalling Ubuntu again
[09:02] <crimsun> Xira: why?
[09:02] <drummer87> hoary preview
[09:02] <Roey> crimsun:   I will BRB
[09:02] <crimsun> Xira: oh, you don't have Ubuntu Warty installed?
[09:02] <crimsun> Roey: ok.
[09:02] <Xira> I _did_
[09:02] <Xira> but I sort of gave up
[09:02] <Roey> crimsun:  about mailing the maintainers,
[09:02] <Xira> I just really want to use Ubuntu
[09:02] <Xira> because it looks pretty promising
[09:03] <crimsun> Xira: ok, it's difficult to troubleshoot if you don't have it installed ;)
[09:03] <Roey> crimsun:  we'll mail them your updated debian/rules?
[09:03] <Roey> crimsun:  did you get that last link, btw
[09:03] <jbass1234> ok, one more question
[09:03] <jbass1234> how do I change the default on applications
[09:03] <jbass1234> ?
[09:03] <crimsun> Roey: no, this will be tailored for you.  Yes, I got it.  Following Hoary's release, I'll hack debian/rules properly and send it back "upstream" to Debian.
[09:04] <Roey> crimsun:  oh thank you *so* much
[09:04] <mello> hey guys, could someone help me set up my geforceFX 5200
[09:04] <Roey> crimsun:  do you have a grasp of what files need to be loaded when?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> drummer87: have you tried with the livecd on your machine?
[09:04] <crimsun> Roey: yep, only usbhid.ko is important, and that is handled already.
[09:04] <tritium> mello, yes
[09:04] <Burgundavia> drummer87: have you tried on another machine?
[09:04] <kpeterson> mello: have you tried following any guies on installing the nvidia driver?
[09:04] <Roey> crimsun:  so usbmouse and evdev and all that I don't really need?
[09:04] <kpeterson> *guides
[09:04] <crimsun> Roey: I'm just fixing debian/rules to copy over the other compiled modules
[09:05] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[09:05] <mello> i searched the ubuntu webpage and didn't find anything
[09:05] <kain> I've already filled a bug report,but they told me everything is okay, but look at this: http://archive.kuht.it/gnome_hoary.png after some upgrades to ubuntu-artwork I'm not been able anymore to use those icons, only gnome ones and not Human's.. somebody has an explanation?
[09:05] <drummer87> Burgundavia: no and i have no other to try it on
[09:05] <mello> i tried sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:05] <tritium> mello the wiki has a BinaryHowto page, but I can try to help you
[09:05] <Burgundavia> drummer87: hmm. If you have a cd burner, I would try the livecd.
[09:05] <mello> but i ctrl+alt+backspace afterwards and didn't get the nvidia picture
[09:05] <kain> or it happens to someone else?
[09:05] <drummer87> Burgundavia: it worked in hoary array5 (i think)
[09:05] <kpeterson> mello: also this is pretty straightfoward: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[09:05] <mello> i'd appreciate it.. and to start, how do you enter my name before?
[09:06] <drummer87> Burgundavia: i'll try the live cd though
[09:06] <tritium> mello, I start typing it, and then use tab-completion
[09:06] <mello> ah
[09:06] <mello> tritium, thanks
[09:06] <Burgundavia> drummer87: can you confirm something for me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit <-- do you see squares on this page instead of inuit?
[09:06] <mello> sweet =] 
[09:06] <kpeterson> I have been unable to get send/recieve files working with my AIM buddies in GAIM.  It was working fine with windows on this machine.  Any ideas?
[09:06] <tritium> mello :)
[09:07] <kain> anyone using hoary gnome 2.10 and human theme?
[09:07] <geneo93> tritium:  i think he just needs to enable
[09:07] <Burgundavia> kain: yes
[09:07] <mello> tritium, what does this mean: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[09:07] <tritium> geneo93, perhaps so
[09:07] <kain> Burgundavia, try selecting human theme icons
[09:08] <drummer87> Burgundavia: yes, some squares
[09:08] <tritium> mello, after an update?  I guess some packages were held back
[09:08] <Burgundavia> drummer87: ok
[09:08] <mello> will that affect the drivers?
[09:08] <drummer87> brb
[09:08] <Burgundavia> kain: and?
[09:08] <tritium> mello, well, do you know which packages they are?  did nvidia-glx install?
[09:09] <kain> Burgundavia, they are gnome icons, not human ones.. developer tell me that everything is okay and we don't use human icon theme right now, but in array 7, as see here http://archive.kuht.it/gnome_hoary.png it uses them
[09:09] <kain> or I dreamed
[09:09] <kain> human icons appear for devices and desktop item
[09:10] <kain> not for mimetypes on files
[09:10] <Burgundavia> no, I see that
[09:10] <kain> this was fixed
[09:10] <kain> but they're gnome icons.
[09:10] <kain> not human ones
[09:10] <Burgundavia> I am failing to see the problem
[09:10] <Burgundavia> sorry
[09:11] <kain> Burgundavia, example
[09:11] <e_machinist> How goes it?
[09:11] <kain> which color is your trashcan
[09:11] <kain> if you have one on the desktop?
[09:11] <e_machinist> My trashcan is blue....
[09:11] <Burgundavia> kain: I have nothing on my desktop, sorry
[09:11] <kain> selecting human icon theme btw
[09:11] <e_machinist> But I don't have the trash can on the Desktop.
[09:12] <e_machinist> Desktop is squeaky clean.
[09:12] <kain> ok, mine in light green
[09:12] <tritium> good night all
[09:12] <kain> before the upgrade is was grey
[09:12] <kain> and much better than this icon
[09:12] <e_machinist> Which upgrade did ya do?
[09:13] <kain> hoary with latest upgrades, I believe it depends on ubuntu-artwork
[09:13] <kain> same thing happened on another machine
[09:13] <crimsun> Roey: ping me when you return
[09:13] <Roey> crimsun:  pong
[09:14] <kain> with this upgrade, if I select human icone theme devices show human's icon well, but not the files
[09:14] <kain> they use gnome icon theme.
[09:14] <crimsun> Roey: replace your debian/rules with http://sh.nu/~crimsun/rules
[09:14] <e_machinist> You prefer GNOME or KDE kain?
[09:14] <xquizit> hey guys, I got a big prob after a warty to hoary upgrade. my foreward slash turns in to  and all special charaters are 
[09:14] <kain> e_machinist, I'm trying out gnome 2.10, and I like it, before I always used kde
[09:15] <xquizit> also my resoution isnt 1280x800
[09:16] <geneo93> mello get it to work
[09:16] <kain> e_machinist, try to do ls -lh /usr/share/themes/Human/scalable
[09:16] <e_machinist> Sounds fun kain. I personally don't really prefer one over the other... I have gotten kinda cozy with GNOME lately though.
[09:16] <e_machinist> Kinda wish there was only one... but hey... you know, whatever.
[09:16] <crimsun> Roey: make sure I've enabled the correct options, then run it with the appropriate arguments
[09:16] <xquizit> ok fixed it
[09:16] <kain> before the upgrade there were four directories, now they're three, "stock" is missing
[09:16] <xquizit> now my resolution doesn want to go :/
[09:17] <kain> e_machinist, the thing that I like in gnome is its polish interface
[09:17] <kain> but I really enjoy testing new stuff
[09:17] <kain> and see the progresses
[09:17] <kain> clean* interface
[09:17] <kain> not polish
[09:17] <kain> ehe
[09:17] <e_machinist> Yah, GNOME has a pretty sweet polish... pretty much a gleam actually.
[09:17] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:18] <mello> geneo93, yep
[09:18] <mello> geneo93, it works swell
[09:18] <geneo93> cool
[09:18] <caffinated> gnome is what KDE could have been if feature creep didn't get so rampant
[09:19] <Roey> crimsun:   02:18:47 modules ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/input/usbhid.ko
[09:19] <Roey> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 46474 2005-03-27 02:17 /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/input/usbhid.ko
[09:19] <e_machinist> What are you compy specs kain?
[09:19] <Roey> crimsun:  OK! looked like these things installed fianlly!
[09:19] <Roey> crimsun:  lemme reboot.
[09:20] <kain> e_machinist, notebook ibm thinkpad with centrino M ipw2200 1500mhz, 512 ram hdd 80gb 7200 rpm
[09:20] <e_machinist> nice. Mine is Athlon XP 1800+ @ 1533mhz, 512mb, 80gb 7200rpm.
[09:20] <e_machinist> Desktop of course.
[09:21] <e_machinist> Oh yah, got a budget ATI Radeon 9200 AGP4x 128mb haha.
[09:21] <kain> mine is i915
[09:21] <kain> bad supported but it's okay
[09:21] <kain> 64mb shared
[09:21] <Roey> crimsun:  I am rebooting now.
[09:21] <Roey> yipee!
[09:22] <e_machinist> aggh... good thing you got 512mb ram, haha... that mem sharing can kill.
[09:22] <HiPn0t|zE> CPU: (1 CPU - AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (Barton), 2.19 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 512KB (2% Load))  OS: (WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600))  OSInstall: (XP was installed 1wk 1day 5hrs 39secs ago)
[09:22] <kain> oh yeah
[09:22] <HiPn0t|zE> Up: (4h 10m)  RecUP: (14h 31m 58s set on Tue Mar 22 06:54:14 2005)  HD: (Total/Free: 23.08/3.2GB)  Virtual Memory: (Usage: 57/2048MB (2.77%))
[09:22] <HiPn0t|zE> Mem: (Usage: 205/256MB (80.08%))  Page File: (Usage: 177/618MB (28.63%))  Sound: (NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio)  Disp: (1280x1024 32bit 60Hz)
[09:22] <HiPn0t|zE> Temp: (Case: 34C, CPU: 40C, Fan 1: 4115RPM)
[09:22] <e_machinist> The Radeon 9200 seems to be supported well enough through default installation... don't have any trouble running 3D junk.
[09:23] <kain> e_machinist, I tried ubuntu hoary on a machine with 9200, works like a charm
[09:23] <HiPn0t|zE> i have a 9200
[09:23] <HiPn0t|zE> Display Info: (1280x1024 32bit 60Hz)  Monitor: (Panasonic Rear Projection TV)
[09:23] <caffinated> i tried warty on a mac, nothing but problems heh
[09:23] <HiPn0t|zE> Video Card: (ATi Radeon 9200 Series)  Sound Card: (NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio)
[09:24] <caffinated> didn't like the video card for some reason
[09:24] <HiPn0t|zE> just use liveCD .. easy shietz
[09:24] <kain> caffinated, macs are still missing from my curriculae vitae
[09:24] <kain> ghg
[09:24] <kain> i tried a powerbook, nice machine
[09:24] <kain> but I prefer my ibm
[09:24] <caffinated> kain: too bad too, it would have made that G4 useful, instead of being an OS X paperweght
[09:24] <[nrx] > mornin, all
[09:25] <HiPn0t|zE> G'day
[09:25] <e_machinist> mornin to ye!
[09:25] <kain> if I will have some extra cash I would like to but a mini mac to give it a try
[09:25] <caffinated> oh, don't get me wrong, i despise macs :)
[09:25] <caffinated> mostly because of OS X though.
[09:25] <caffinated> oh, and steve jobs
[09:26] <kain> caffinated, did you saw latest beta videos about gnome?
[09:26] <HiPn0t|zE> can i see a screenshot of ubuntu
[09:26] <caffinated> kain: which set?
[09:26] <kain> caffinated, wait, I'll search em
[09:26] <caffinated> the ones about the new opengl interface?
[09:26] <[nrx] > so today, I have to get ndiswrapper and sound working
[09:26] <caffinated> wobbly windows or whatever it was?
[09:26] <kain> caffinated, yes, these
[09:26] <kain> or those*?
[09:26] <caffinated> yeah, i've seen them
[09:26] <blawson> Would errors in my /var/log/acpid file like "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: No protocol specifed" have something to do with my Suspend to RAM issues?
[09:26] <kain> my english sucks
[09:26] <kain> ehe
[09:26] <kain> ok
[09:27] <raymond> hi all
[09:27] <[nrx] > hi raydogg
[09:27] <[nrx] > er
[09:27] <[nrx] > hi raymond
[09:27] <[nrx] > :)
[09:27] <caffinated> i won't bother until they make it work alongside applications which already use opengl
[09:27] <raymond> all proud ubuntu users?
[09:28] <caffinated> raymond: no, i use OS/2.  I'm only here because of the palm trees and free beer :)
[09:28] <raymond> :)
[09:28] <kutucape> hi all
[09:28] <[nrx] > heh
[09:28] <kain> raymond, I'm testing it, just to put hands on something relatively new
[09:28] <crimsun> I love Windows XP.  It runs putty.exe great!  Of course, I'm sshed into various Ubuntu machines...
[09:28] <raymond> no chicks?
[09:28] <raymond> :P
[09:28] <kutucape> using hoary and get some updates makes my laptop run smooth
[09:28] <caffinated> crimsun: when i'm in windows, i just use Services for Unix.
[09:28] <[nrx] > got warty on my laptop
[09:28] <kutucape> compaq presario 2500
[09:29] <kutucape> warty is run smooth on my laptop too
[09:29] <Kazuhiro> ibm x31 here
[09:29] <kutucape> but i try hoary, and hmm what a nice desktop :D
[09:29] <kain> ibm r50e here
[09:29] <[nrx] > fs Amilo D, here ;)
[09:29] <kain> ipw2200 and accelerations works out of the box
[09:29] <kain> yay
[09:30] <kutucape> i haven't check the acceleration, maybe it works too
[09:30] <[nrx] > anyone really clued up with ndiswrapper?
[09:30] <kain> kutucape, glxinfo | grep rendering
[09:30] <kutucape> wait
[09:30] <kutucape> the answer is yes :)
[09:31] <kutucape> direct rendering: Yes
[09:31] <kutucape> cool
[09:31] <kain> and oh yeah, another happy user
[09:31] <kain> ehe
[09:31] <HiPn0t|zE> did you guys download it or get the free cd ?
[09:31] <HiPn0t|zE> and did u hafta pay for customs and etc
[09:31] <kutucape> i have tried some distros including: redhat, mandrake, suse and so on, but ubuntu is my choice
[09:31] <caffinated> HiPn0t|zE: no, cd shipment is free
[09:31] <drummer87> Burgundavia: bak, and exactly same error from live cd
[09:32] <kutucape> HiPn0t|zE: ubuntu is always free of charge
[09:32] <[nrx] > i got 20 CD's delivered
[09:32] <HiPn0t|zE> but like
[09:32] <HiPn0t|zE> delivery to australia
[09:32] <kpeterson> what version of debian his hoary based on?
[09:32] <HiPn0t|zE> you know. .
[09:32] <[nrx] > different arch's. too and I sent them out to mates :)
[09:32] <caffinated> people are always so confused when they get something for free with no strings attached heh.
[09:32] <geneo93> hip anywhere
[09:32] <HiPn0t|zE> hrm
[09:32] <kain> kpeterson, hoary is based on debian unstable, I think
[09:32] <HiPn0t|zE> what's this customs fee thing i have to pay 4
[09:33] <geneo93> you dont
[09:33] <[nrx] > HiPn0t|zE, some countries charge a fee for things coming into the country, especially software from elsewhere
[09:33] <HiPn0t|zE> really ?
[09:33] <caffinated> HiPn0t|zE: well, that's customs, not the people who send you ubuntu.  technicly you shouldn't have to pay customs since you're not buying anything.
[09:33] <HiPn0t|zE> hrm.. maybe i should order some
[09:33] <HiPn0t|zE> hokays
[09:33] <HiPn0t|zE> howlong does it take . .
[09:33] <[nrx] > HiPn0t|zE, order a lot.. the shipping fee's are less for the ubuntu lot then and you can spread them around :)
[09:34] <caffinated> HiPn0t|zE: yeah, you should actually.  order lots, and give them to everyone you know :)
[09:34] <HiPn0t|zE> hrm.. so it's really that good
[09:34] <kutucape> [nrx] : can ubuntu delivered to Indonesia?
[09:34] <HiPn0t|zE> icic
[09:34] <kutucape> Indonesia is my country
[09:34] <caffinated> ubuntu policies > *
[09:34] <[nrx] > they'll deliver anywhere
[09:34] <[nrx] > if you already get post, why not :)
[09:34] <kutucape> ok
[09:34] <kpeterson> can anyone advise me on setting up a proftpd server for anonymous access?  I tried earlier according to various websites but was not successfull, and I am left wondering about the security of my system
[09:34] <kutucape> because downloading ubuntu here, takes a day
[09:34] <e_machinist> I hand out my Ubuntu CDs... free advertising for Ubuntu.
[09:34] <HiPn0t|zE> anyone got it delivered to Australia
[09:35] <[nrx] > HiPn0t|zE, just order them.. they'll come
[09:35] <e_machinist> Downloading Ubuntu for me would take.... forever on my 56k. haha.
[09:35] <HiPn0t|zE> hokays
[09:35] <kutucape> kpeterson: have you try pure-ftpd?
[09:35] <crimsun> HiPn0t|zE: several Ubuntu developers live in .au :)
[09:35] <kutucape> pure-ftpd is easy to setup
[09:35] <geneo93> e_machinist:  two days here
[09:35] <Roey> crimsun: hi
[09:35] <crimsun> Roey: hi
[09:35] <Roey> crimsun: ping
[09:35] <HiPn0t|zE> oh really.. didn't know that
[09:35] <Roey> crimsun: HI crimsun,
[09:35] <expo> hello!
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun: guess what, God really hates me
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun: I rebooted and now I can't boot
[09:36] <e_machinist> You actually have the time to just let Ubuntu download on your 56k geneo?
[09:36] <Roey> crimsun: it says this:
[09:36] <HiPn0t|zE> must be costing them alot to post out these cds
[09:36] <geneo93> e_machinist:  yes
[09:36] <[nrx] > HiPn0t|zE, worth it if they get the software out there... first the postal service.. then the WORLD MWUAHAHAHAHAHA
[09:37] <drummer87> do they need ur phone number field filled out in the order form? what do they need it for?
[09:37] <[nrx] > dr evil eat your heart out.
[09:37] <HiPn0t|zE> hehe i suppose
[09:37] <e_machinist> heh, I should try to download the entire thing just for kicks.
[09:37] <geneo93> e_machinist:  i fact i prolly d/l 3 gigs a month or nore
[09:37] <e_machinist> I probably download around 500mb-1.5gb a month... of software... maybe. haha.
[09:37] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/a76TwZ20.html
[09:38] <Roey> e_machinist: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a76TwZ20.html
[09:38] <kutucape> cool pure-ftpd is in ubuntu too
[09:38] <Roey> I can't boot! dah!
[09:38] <kpeterson> kutucape no i have not. is that another server?
[09:38] <crimsun> Roey: that's not related to your modules, though.  What's your default kernel set to?
[09:38] <crimsun> Roey: and the initrd?
[09:38] <geneo93> well mine has to be tended cause i get diff ip addy everytime
[09:39] <kutucape> anyone here ever tried mono on ubuntu?
[09:39] <Roey> crimsun:   -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1274601 Mar 24 10:00 vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[09:39] <crimsun> kutucape: it works well.
[09:39] <Roey> crimsun: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 5025792 Mar 26 04:07 initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[09:39] <Roey> crimsun: hmm... is initrd not matched to the kernel/
[09:39] <Roey> ?
[09:40] <Roey> crimsun: the timestampsare different...
[09:40] <e_machinist> hmm.. I'll try to download the FINAL Hoary on the 6th.
[09:41] <crimsun> Roey: it looks like your initrd has been fubared
[09:41] <e_machinist> Luckily Ubuntu isn't all that big of a download as far as linux distros go.
[09:41] <crimsun> Roey: try reinstalling the initrd from the 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic linux-image
[09:42] <Lathiat> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic # may also work
[09:42] <Roey> crimsun: apt-get install what?
[09:42] <Roey> crimsun: I will chroot into the old drive...one sec
[09:42] <Roey> er
[09:42] <Roey> into my hard disk's /
[09:42] <crimsun> Roey: --reinstall linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[09:42] <Roey> crimsun: I did that yesterday after you logged out though
[09:43] <Roey> crimsun: I did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[09:43] <Roey> crimsun: is there a spearate initrd package or somethign?
[09:43] <cam> hey all
[09:43] <[nrx] > hi cam
[09:43] <cam> I have a question...
[09:43] <crimsun> Roey: no, it's in the linux-image
[09:44] <geneo93> alien -help
[09:44] <geneo93> opps
[09:45] <Roey> oh jesus fucking christ
[09:45] <crimsun> Roey: CoC, dude...
[09:45] <Roey> crimsun: I wanted to umount /mnt/md0 and it tells me it's busy
[09:45] <Roey> crimsun: and I mounted it only a minute ago
[09:45] <Roey> what gives/???
[09:45] <Roey> crimsun: I'm not even in it!
[09:45] <kain> lsof /mnt/md0 ?
[09:45] <Roey> kain:  one sec.  (also fuser -v)
[09:45] <[nrx] > cam, what's the question?
[09:46] <crimsun> not a md/lvm/evms guru, sorry.
[09:46] <Roey> COMMAND  PID    USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[09:46] <Roey> bash    4937 knoppix  cwd    DIR    9,0 1024    2 /mnt/md0
[09:46] <Roey> lsof    5476 knoppix  cwd    DIR    9,0 1024    2 /mnt/md0
[09:46] <Roey> lsof    5477 knoppix  cwd    DIR    9,0 1024    2 /mnt/md0
[09:46] <crimsun> are you chrooted into it?
[09:46] <Roey> I got out of the bash process which mounted it
[09:46] <Roey> and it umounted now.
[09:46] <cam> u may think its n00bish but how do I update firefox? 0.9.3 came presintalled I attempted to use synatpic but it nothing happened.
[09:46] <Roey> let me now chroot into it
[09:46] <crimsun> cam: running Warty?
[09:46] <[nrx] > if you open firefox, there's an option to update it
[09:47] <[nrx] > and i'm talking crap, once again
[09:47] <kpeterson> I have installed the pure-ftpd package, can anyone advise me on how to configure it to simply allow anonymous access?
[09:47] <cam> The Warty Warthog yes
[09:48] <raymond> can someone help me out please im have a problem with my screen resolution in gnome
[09:49] <raymond> << newbie
[09:49] <Roey> crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xVX5Jl72.html
[09:50] <cam> I even attempted to download Firefoxes latest and install that ,but it didn't allow me to create a new directory in /usr/local/bin
[09:50] <cam> ???
[09:50] <robitaille> cam:  sudo mkdir /usr/local/bin/MozillaFirefox
[09:50] <robitaille> cam:  sudo chown cam.cam /usr/local/bin/MozillaFirefox
[09:50] <raymond> i got a 17" tft monitor that can handle 1280x1024 @ 75 hz so i figuer id hav to change my xf86config-4
[09:51] <cam> sudo mkdir?
[09:51] <robitaille> cam:  then install the latest firefox in that directory in /usr/local
[09:51] <kain> raymond, have you tried, if using hoary+gnome, to use the utility to change display resolution?
[09:51] <crimsun> Roey: yep, you'll have to --force-overwrite, remember?
[09:52] <kain> system -> preferences
[09:52] <robitaille> mkdir = make directory.   Sudo = run as super user to be able to write in /usr/local
[09:52] <kain> screen resolution
[09:52] <raymond> i changed the sub section into  SubSection "Display"
[09:52] <raymond>                 Depth           24
[09:52] <raymond>                 Modes           "1280x1024"
[09:52] <raymond>         EndSubSection
[09:52] <raymond>  but now it ll only do 1152x768 @55 hz
[09:52] <kain> or something similar, I've menus in italian
[09:52] <raymond> yes i tried using that
[09:53] <Roey> crimsun: ok
[09:53] <Roey> crimsun: it overwrote all the stuff we did but heh
[09:53] <Roey> crimsun: I can just rebuild it
[09:53] <drummer87> raymond: look under Section "Monitor"
[09:53] <drummer87> for vert and horiz refresh rates
[09:53] <raymond> i c them
[09:54] <Roey> crimsun: i will reboot now
[09:55] <raymond> Section "Monitor"
[09:55] <raymond>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[09:55] <raymond>         HorizSync       28-49
[09:55] <raymond>         VertRefresh     43-72
[09:55] <raymond>         Option          "DPMS"
[09:55] <raymond> EndSection
[09:55] <cam> I don't inderstand this whole superuser thing...
[09:56] <drummer87> i'm not sure.. should give u op to 72hz, maybe set vertrefresh to a specific value
[09:56] <Lathiat> cam: how so
[09:57] <drummer87> i'm a bit of a newbie too though
[09:57] <raymond> i found in my booklet of my monitor : that the normal range  of my monitor is H: 30-80 KHZ V: 56-77HZ
[09:58] <raymond> can i just fill that in there?
[09:58] <Lathiat> yeh should work
[09:58] <drummer87> should be able to
[09:58] <Lathiat> HorizSync 30-80 // VertRefresh 56-77  -- i guess
[09:59] <kain> someone knows in which package etiquette theme are in?
[09:59] <raymond> ill try that any idea what this is Option          "DPMS"
[09:59] <robitaille> cam: the "sudo" command let you become all-powerful administrator from a command line prompt
[10:00] <cam> ok ok,where and how ?where can I do that>?
[10:00] <robitaille> cam:  so "sudo mkdir"  says to make a directory running as adminstrator;  if you do that without the sudo, the mkdir will fail since as a normal user you don't have write acess to /usr/local
[10:00] <drummer87> Section "Monitor"
[10:00] <drummer87> oops..
[10:00] <raymond> o srry
[10:00] <Phusion> hey guys, my reposatories list is screwed up.. I try running the update manager and it gets 404s when finding urls..
[10:00] <raymond> yes in the same section
[10:00] <kpeterson> after installing pure-ftpd (via apt-get) what steps do I need to take before someone can access my server?
[10:00] <kutucape> raymond: try 31.5-48.5 that's a generic setting, imho
[10:00] <kutucape> kain: gnome-look.org, i guess :)
[10:01] <cam> hmmm>? I think I understand.I thought I was admin?
[10:01] <drummer87> raymond: i think dpms allows linux to turn the monitor off after a time
[10:01] <raymond> a ok
[10:01] <kain> kutucape, mm.. I've installed if from gnome-look and I can't remember it? fun, I must be drunk
[10:01] <drummer87> ie. under the power management settings
[10:01] <dex1> [<newbie]  I've just installed & rebooted but it starts up, tells me everything it's loading and then the screen goes black (monitor has no signal). If I press ctrl-alt-F1 it goes back to the bash console thing; showing gnome manager as last item it tried. Running an Iiyama ProLite E430 monitor with an old S3 card. Can anyone help?
[10:01] <raymond> now i can use crtl alt backspace to test it right?
[10:02] <kain> kutucape, can you do me a favor?
[10:02] <raymond> ill brb thnx
[10:02] <drummer87> yep, that restarts X
[10:03] <Phusion> so... anyone.. how do I fix my reposatories list?
[10:03] <dex1> Oh, I re-ran the config thing too, and it asked me about my keyboard, mouse, monitor etc - whereupon I put in the refresh details etc for the monitor. Rebooted at the end. Still doesn't work tho.
[10:03] <kutucape> kain: what favor? :)
[10:03] <claint> Phusion: what is messed up with it?
[10:03] <Phusion> well I try running the update manager it.. well hold on
[10:03] <hilloki> hey , does anyone here know how to make a grub multi os installer?
[10:04] <Phusion> could not download all repository index
[10:05] <dex1> All the articles I've been able to find about the screen going blank during startup have related to nvidia drivers. But I'm using an old S3 card and an iiyama monitor. :(
[10:05] <dex1> Well, if anyone has suggestions/help for the problem I'm having it will be gratefully recieved.
[10:05] <Phusion> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/source/Sources.gz could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists
[10:05] <crimsun> dex1: which S3?
[10:06] <raymond> thnx all
[10:06] <raymond> << is a happy man now
[10:06] <raymond> it works
[10:06] <Phusion> duplicatre sources.list entry
[10:06] <dex1> crimsun: It's an S3 Trio I believe.
[10:06] <Liz> is there anyway to remove cups without it removing ubuntu desktop
[10:06] <Liz> ?
[10:07] <dex1> The text file config I saw earlier had the long description (I forget the filename). I've no idea if it autodetected it correctly; definitely an S3 trio of some type tho.
[10:08] <[nrx] > any ndiswrapper guru's awake yet? :p
[10:08] <elmaya> what's the prob?
[10:09] <[nrx] > long version or the short version/
[10:09] <elmaya> short
[10:09] <[nrx] > it doesn't work.
[10:09] <elmaya> long
[10:09] <[nrx] > lol
[10:09] <raymond> i have two other problems tho :s i get this message on startup PCI Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:02.1 and my usb ports dont work i guess thats what the error is about tho
[10:10] <[nrx] > k, I don't have the machine in question beside me at the moment, but, i've been trying to get it to work.. i've gotten the right drivers and added them to ndiswrapper, then started the "modprobe ndiswrapper" and the lights don't come on
[10:10] <[nrx] > checking dmesg throws up loads of error messages and someone's suggested to me that the driver's may be wrong
[10:10] <[nrx] > however, they are the drivers for that card from the ndis site
[10:10] <elmaya> pcmcia?
[10:10] <[nrx] > though, i've noticed in dmesg there's errors for hotplug, too
[10:10] <[nrx] > yes
[10:11] <[nrx] > coms backj saying it can't find something like "/var/lib/hotplug/firmware/TX11ACyaddayadda"
[10:11] <elmaya> wich brand? is it supported with ndiswrapper?
[10:11] <drummer87> is anyone here using hoary preview amd64?
[10:11] <[nrx] > DLink DWL-G650+
[10:11] <[nrx] > yes, tis
[10:11] <kutucape> i wonder how to tell apt or synaptic to read archieve fro harddisk
[10:11] <elmaya> mm weird.. i've managed to get my linksys to work even the usb one with ndiswrapper
[10:12] <dex1> Any ideas re non-display, crimsun; or anyone? I had to delete the Windows partition since it was damaged by the install and re-install as just Ubuntu so I'll be sad if it was all in vain! :)
[10:12] <[nrx] > someone told me they had to use a realtek driver for it
[10:12] <kutucape> say, i have archieve from ubuntu repository then i want to update my ubuntu with the package store in harddisk
[10:12] <[nrx] > but i'm damned if i know which one
[10:12] <kutucape> how to add it in source.list?
[10:12] <Echylo> can you download new applets for the gnome panel?
[10:13] <corza> hey guys i have a secondary drive and i was wondering how i can view it.. it's FAT32 format
[10:13] <[nrx] > kutucape "deb file:/path/to warty main restricted"
[10:14] <corza> can someone help me out with my FAT32 drive?
[10:14] <kutucape> [nrx] : so the hoary too, just replace warty with hoary right?
[10:14] <[nrx] > yeah
[10:15] <kutucape> corza: whats up with your FAT32?
[10:15] <kutucape> [nrx] : thanks a lot
[10:15] <kutucape> :)
[10:15] <corza> kutucape: i'm trying to view it because i just put some mp3 files onto it
[10:15] <[nrx] > kutucape, np :)
[10:15] <corza> kutucape: so i sorta wanna copy the files from it but i cant view the drive..
[10:15] <kutucape> corza: just mount it the view it
[10:16] <corza> "unable to mount volume"
[10:16] <Anubis> dircolors: `/etc/DIR_COLORS': No such file or directory
[10:16] <drummer87> corza: add to fstab, /dev/hdb1  /media/name  vfat  rw,umask=0000  0  0
[10:16] <drummer87> then sudo mount -
[10:16] <kutucape> corza: first, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:16] <drummer87> a
[10:16] <drummer87> * sudo mount -a
[10:17] <kutucape> then find the right partition for your FAT32 partition
[10:17] <funky> in which package is the gnome applet that that indicates new packages to upgrade ?
[10:17] <geneo93> drummer87:  you forgot something
[10:17] <corza> kutucape: yes...
[10:17] <drummer87> what?
[10:17] <corza> kutucape: its named /dev/hda3
[10:17] <geneo93> mkdir
[10:17] <drummer87> ah..
[10:17] <kutucape> then create a mount point in /mnt: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[10:17] <drummer87> true
[10:18] <kutucape> then mount it: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/pathto_fat32_partition /mnt/windows
[10:18] <[nrx] > righty
[10:18] <[nrx] > gonna go fire up the ubuntu lappy
[10:18] <[nrx] > bbiba
[10:18] <[nrx] > bbiab, too
[10:18] <kutucape> remember that warty has problem viewing directly this partition after mounted
[10:19] <kutucape> but hoary works
[10:19] <Echylo> lel
[10:19] <corza> kutucape: it says.. wrong fs type..
[10:19] <Roey> crimsun: hi
[10:19] <dex1> Roey: I think I scared crimsun off. Sorry :p
[10:19] <crimsun> Roey: hi
[10:20] <crimsun> dex1: no, was just responding to u-d email
[10:20] <HiddenWolf> Is there a noticable difference in performance between say ext3 and xfs or reiser?
[10:20] <kutucape> corza: maybe wrong partition or your partition is damage
[10:20] <dex1> Heh, sry
[10:20] <kutucape> HiddenWolf: reiserfs for small files, xfs for big files, imho
[10:21] <kutucape> i prefer use resiserfs
[10:21] <kutucape> *reiserfs*
[10:21] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[10:21] <Roey> crimsun: still it didn't boot.
[10:21] <kerframil> I think reiserfs has regressed in 2.6, fwiw
[10:21] <iapx8088> whatis kubuntu
[10:22] <iapx8088> is what I think it is
[10:22] <geneo93> kde
[10:22] <corza> kutucape: but i was just viewing it on windows xp
[10:22] <crimsun> Roey: I really don't know the slightest regarding md/lvm/evms
[10:22] <iapx8088> yup
[10:23] <raymond> i get this message on startup hope u can help me with it: PCI Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:02.1 and my usb ports dont work, but i guess thats what the error is about
[10:23] <geneo93> kde 3.4 at that
[10:23] <kutucape> corza: what partition FAT32 have?
[10:23] <kerframil> Roey: the uuid is unique per block device (of course) so that the affinity with a given array can be asserted
[10:23] <Anubis> dircolors: `/etc/DIR_COLORS': No such file or directory? how can I fix this?
[10:23] <Roey> kerframil: it's not that
[10:23] <Roey> kerframil: the stupid thing normally starts...er... I have no idea what's wrong this time.
[10:23] <Roey> kerframil: like... this has been a nightmare for the past two weeks now
[10:24] <Roey> kerframil: all these problems
[10:24] <kerframil> Roey: hmm - you mean it just stopped working?
[10:24] <Roey> kerframil: I apt-got installed a kernel image yesterday (I thought it was the same one I had installed with ubuntu by default)
[10:24] <Roey> kerframil: and I have not rebooted till now
[10:24] <kerframil> ah
[10:25] <Anubis> http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8381
[10:25] <crimsun> dex1: please paste the output of ,,lspci -v'' (without the quotes and commas) onto http://pastebin.ca
[10:25] <kerframil> Roey: so, let me get this straight - you were sucessfully able to assemble the array by booting an older kernel? the newer kernel breaks it?
[10:25] <kerframil> or am I misunderstanding you?
[10:25] <Roey> kerframil: (btw are you an ubuntu dev?)
[10:25] <Roey> kerframil: it's like this:
[10:25] <Roey> kerframil: I installed ubuntu
[10:26] <corza> kutucape: eh? what do u mean
[10:26] <Roey> kerframil: it had errors starting up, ever since.
[10:26] <kerframil> no it any shape or form, no - just a fellow md/lvm2 user
[10:26] <Roey> kerframil: do you want to see the error I got originally (when the system was booting, at least?)
[10:26] <kerframil> Roey: sure
[10:26] <corza> kutucape: it could be just FAT but im pretty sure its FAT32
[10:26] <Roey> kerframil: I have /, /boot and /home on raid1.
[10:27] <dex1> crimsun, will do. Should I prefix it with sudo?
[10:27] <crimsun> dex1: no need for sudo
[10:27] <dex1> k
[10:27] <Roey> kerframil: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html
[10:27] <corza> kutucape: can i formate the whole drive from partitions and everything somehow?
[10:28] <Roey> crimsun: I see there are multiple kernel images... see this:
[10:28] <kutucape> try: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[10:28] <geneo93> crimsun:  what log did you tell me to look at for kppp
[10:28] <kerframil> Roey: I see
[10:28] <dex1> crimsun: er. it's a page long; I see it now. It's on the (other) computer next to me. i.e. there're two screens. is there a way I can pipe the lspci to a disk in the floppy drive? (and then put the floppy in this online pc to paste onto the pastebin)
[10:28] <crimsun> geneo93: /var/log/daemon.log
[10:29] <kpeterson> can anyone help me set up an ftp server?
[10:29] <dex1> Otherwise I can retype it all I guess.
[10:29] <Uscfan> vsfypd
[10:29] <Uscfan> vsftpd*
[10:29] <geneo93> k thx
[10:29] <Uscfan> :)
[10:29] <corza> is there  a way i can format my whole hard drive including partitions?
[10:29] <corza> secondary hard drive
[10:29] <kutucape> corza: don't format or you loose all your data
[10:29] <Roey> crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sdVfHg31.html
[10:30] <corza> kutucape: yes i want to do that
[10:30] <crimsun> dex1: sure. lspci -v > /media/floppy0/logfile.txt
[10:30] <corza> kutucape: all i have to do is go back into windows and put all the songs back on
[10:30] <dex1> merci. on it
[10:30] <kutucape> hmm
[10:31] <wfx> hi, i miss some device on my desktop, if i open places/computers there is show as XYGB Device: XY Media, and when i restart dbus all is fine. so i think the runlevel of dbus is wrong how can i change it.
[10:31] <wfx> system i hoary
[10:31] <wfx> +s
[10:31] <wfx> :)
[10:31] <crimsun> wfx: it's a _bad_ idea to fiddle with the numbering of services startup
[10:31] <corza> kutucape: is there a way?
[10:32] <crimsun> wfx: have you checked bugzilla for dbus-1 entries?
[10:32] <wfx> crimsun, not yet
[10:33] <wfx> is this the right addres: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/ ?
[10:33] <dex1> crimsun: Sorry, when I type (w/out quote marks) "lspci -v >/media/floppy0/logfile.txt" ,
[10:33] <wfx> no it is :)
[10:33] <crimsun> wfx: that's the listing.  You want http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <dex1> I get...
[10:34] <corza> kutucape: you there?
[10:34] <wfx> yes thx
[10:34] <Roey> crimsun:  given the /var/cache/apt/archives listing I showed you, is it possible that the kernel image I got yesterday and the initrd image that was installed by default are out of sync?
[10:34] <dex1> crimsun: -bash /home/username/.....logfile.txt no such file or directory
[10:35] <crimsun> Roey: unlikely...
[10:35] <crimsun> dex1: err, that's odd.  What command did you type?
[10:36] <dex1> crimsun: (w/out quote marks) "lspci -v >/media/floppy0/logfile.txt" . I'll try it under root. There's a floppy in the drive with space on it, formatted under windows but otherwise fine :)
[10:37] <wfx> there is no bug about dbus-1 in bugzilla, ok i think i should add one, right ;-)
[10:37] <crimsun> wfx: search for "dbus" or "gnome-volume-manager" then
[10:37] <Roey> crimsun: dan, where are you in the US?  california?
[10:37] <crimsun> Roey: NC.
[10:37] <dex1> under root it doesn't say anything. but then it doesn't copy the output to the floppy either
[10:37] <wfx> 7292 and 6282 does not match
[10:37] <Roey> crimsun: aaaah so it's the same time as MD for you...
[10:37] <crimsun> dex1: just gives you a prompt?
[10:37] <corza> OI!
[10:37] <crimsun> Roey: indeed
[10:38] <[nrx_] > so.. who's up for a bit of ndiswrapper problem solving or sound problem solving.. take your pick :)
[10:38] <Roey> crimsun:  may I pm you?
[10:38] <crimsun> dex1: that's what it's supposed to do (give you a prompt back)
[10:38] <crimsun> Roey: if it's Ubuntu-related, I'd rather keep it in-channel
[10:38] <[nrx_] > perverts ;p
[10:39] <Roey> crimsun: wanted to see if you could talk voice
[10:39] <dex1> crimsun: yep but i exited back to the username now and it gives the path with 'permission denied'. still no copy-eth to the floppy
[10:39] <corza> can someone help me with my secondary hard drive i want to format the whole thing partitions and all
[10:40] <Lathiat> corza: try gparted
[10:40] <crimsun> dex1: are you able to list the contents of that directory?
[10:40] <crimsun> Roey: heavily firewalled, sorry.
[10:40] <Roey> crimsun: Shouldn't getting the system in working order just take installing the right kernel?
[10:40] <Lathiat> corza: installable from universe
[10:40] <corza> Lathiat: thanks dude
[10:40] <crimsun> Roey: if it worked from a Ubuntu-compiled kernel before, yes.
[10:40] <Roey> crimsun: "talk on the phone", rather
[10:40] <Roey> crimsun: yes it was the ubuntu image I downloaded....
[10:41] <Roey> crimsun: adn the thing doesn't boot
[10:41] <Roey> crimsun: so I'm wondering what can be wrong
[10:41] <Roey> kerframil: hi
[10:41] <kerframil> Roey: yo
[10:41] <Roey> kerframil: were there any special things you had to configure to be able to boot?
[10:42] <kerframil> Roey: the reason I piped up is because it was reminiscent of something I've encountered before - but not in Ubuntu (I'm a very new user of Ubuntu)
[10:42] <dex1> crimsun: Yes, I can list the directory. "ls /media/floppy0/" returns logfile.txt on a line. "nano blahpath/logfile.txt" does show the contents of the file.
[10:42] <kerframil> Roey: that issue was to do with the naming scheme of block devices changing depending on different kernel configurations (i.e. /dev/sdd becomes /dev/sdc or such)
[10:43] <kpeterson> can anyone help me ste up an FTP server for anonymous access?
[10:43] <wfx> ups, there a lot more bug, so i must read more or less all before i add a new one.... (cost a lot of time)
[10:43] <Roey> kerframil: ok
[10:43] <kerframil> Roey: checking something else ... 1 sec
[10:44] <Roey> kerframil: is your / on raid1?
[10:44] <crimsun> dex1: ok, then you can paste it onto pastebin, no?
[10:44] <kerframil> Roey: no, but I have done so before (again, not Ubuntu - key difference being I always build my own kernels)
[10:44] <crimsun> Roey: have you confirmed you're actually booting the correct kernel?
[10:44] <dex1> crimsun: online, IRC-ness, windows + me typing on now = PC1.  while PC2=ubuntu, not online, has file on it ;)
[10:45] <kerframil> Roey: you use / on RAID, that means your kernel needs to support md from the off
[10:45] <kerframil> Roey: in the case of Ubuntu's kernel, md is as a kernel module
[10:45] <kerframil> Roey: so you'd obviously need to make sure your initrd was in shape; that's not something I'm overly familiar with though
[10:45] <Roey> kerframil: ok
[10:45] <dex1> does the floppy drive on the other PC need 'mounting' before it'd work or something? :/
[10:46] <Roey> kerframil: well... I am used to building my own kernels HOWEVER I realized that LILO flat-out doesn't work for me
[10:46] <Roey> kerframil: in Ubuntu
[10:46] <kerframil> Roey: lilo?
[10:46] <Roey> kerframil: I suspect LILO has problems with AMD64-mode on my MSI neo k8t fis2r motherboard.
[10:46] <kerframil> Roey: but Ubuntu uses grub, no?
[10:46] <Roey> kerframil: but I installed LILO on i.
[10:46] <kerframil> Roey: ah
[10:46] <Roey> kerframil: I wanted to get past this kernel mess that I'm in now :)
[10:46] <kerframil> it has been a very _long_ time since I've used lilo ;)
[10:46] <Roey> kerframil: I'm much more used to using lilo
[10:47] <Roey> kerframil: grub... man
[10:47] <Roey> kerframil, crimsun: maybe the solution is just to build a kernel that has the raid drivers in it
[10:47] <geneo93> nite all
[10:47] <Roey> kerframil, crimsun:  instead of on an irdinit image
[10:47] <dex1> nite geneo
[10:47] <Roey> crimsun: how do I check?
[10:47] <kerframil> Roey: that'd be the first thing I'd try - a kernel that has all pre-requisite support *statically* built in
[10:48] <crimsun> Roey: cat /proc/version
[10:48] <kerframil> Roey: at the very least, you could rule out this concern as an avenue of inquiry!
[10:48] <Roey> crimsun: well...I'm on a kanotix64 livecd now (remember I could't boot the system)
[10:48] <Roey> kerframil: right
[10:49] <Roey> crimsun: so the current kernel verison (kanotix, remmeber) is: Linux version 2.6.10-kanotix64-8 (root@Kanotix) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Wed Feb 2 20:30:09 CET 2005
[10:49] <ruby_mncl> guys... need help with a new installation... i finnaly got Xserver to start, but the computer gets stuck after 1-2 seconds... the mouse isnt moving and the keybord is not reacting (even hitting num lock key wont turn the num lock light on or off), same thing happend several times in text mode too but in X it happends all the time...
[10:49] <crimsun> Roey: so how about using the kanotix kernel and specifying your rootfs at the prompt?
[10:49] <crimsun> Roey: (similar to a rescue cd)
[10:50] <kevin> Hi, my hotplug does not automatically recognise my external usb hard drives as hard drives in Places > My Computer
[10:50] <Roey> crimsun: because then...
[10:50] <crimsun> kevin: do they appear after you invoke: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[10:50] <Roey> crimsun: 1) I can't install the wacom drivers,
[10:50] <Roey> crimsun: 2) it still won't work (it'd give another error)
[10:50] <Roey> crimsun: the kanotix kernel also uses an rdinit image.
[10:51] <kevin> crimsun: no
[10:51] <crimsun> Roey: (1) you only need to compile the drivers (installing can occur after you reboot into the proper kernel)
[10:51] <caffinated> does anyone know how to give permission to a regular user to start a second X display?  (i'm trying to run a game on a second X server)
[10:51] <crimsun> Roey: (2) which is?
[10:51] <caffinated> it works if i run it as root, but not my regular user.  i'd prefer not to run the game with root permissions
[10:52] <Roey> crimsun:I've tried with the kanotix kernel, it just gives some other stupid error.
[10:52] <corza> how do i format on gparted?
[10:52] <Roey> crimsun: I've already tried booting to kanotix.
[10:52] <dex1> I think it v. probably that the floppy drive isn't recognised. I changed to the /media/floppy0 directory and the files viewable. I just can't get it *out* of there and *onto* the floppy. So I can open the txt file from the floppy on this second (online) PC and paste it into the pastebin.
[10:53] <wfx> crimsun, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8269 hope i do it right.
[10:53] <corza> How do i format a drive on GPARTED?
[10:53] <Lathiat> corza: right click it and hit new
[10:53] <crimsun> kevin: are those external drives mounted?
[10:54] <Roey> crimsun: lemme boot to the kanotix kernel and i'll tell you the error, ok?
[10:54] <wfx> ogra, hi :-)
[10:54] <crimsun> Roey: ok
[10:54] <Lathiat> corza: after selecting the right drive in the selector in the top right
[10:54] <Roey> crimsun:  btw, I thoguth you were in California b/c you were up right now
[10:54] <kevin> crimsun: Yes
[10:54] <Roey> happy & solemn easter to you, wfx
[10:54] <randabis> corza, you have to make sure the drive is not mounted, and then use the right-click menu
[10:55] <randabis> gparted will unmount drives for you as long as they aren't busy
[10:55] <coreDumped69> xinerama = evil
[10:56] <crimsun> wfx: please add more information, such as the output from ,,mount''
[10:56] <crimsun> kevin: where are those partitions mounted?
[10:56] <kevin> in /media/DATA and /media/DOWNLOADS
[10:57] <corza> randabis: i did that and it done something but didnt do much lol i cant FORMAT It
[10:58] <crimsun> kevin: and you have permission to access files in those directories?
[10:59] <kevin> crimsun: Yes
[11:00] <kevin> crimsun: this is a fresh install of ubuntu btw
[11:00] <crimsun> kevin: from preview or array ?
[11:00] <beowu1f> any south african users here?
[11:01] <kevin> preview
[11:01] <crimsun> kevin: and it's current, as in you updated && dist-upgraded within the last hour?
[11:02] <kevin> no
[11:03] <crimsun> kevin: please do that.  Hoary is a moving target until 6 April, 2005.  =)
[11:03] <kevin> :)
[11:03] <kevin> what happens 6 April, crimsun  ?
[11:04] <apokryphos> kevin: Hoary final!
[11:04] <kevin> Oh
[11:04] <kevin> goody
[11:04] <[nrx_] > spot the idiot who's compiling the drivers for every single sound card under alsa
[11:04] <[nrx_] > :/
[11:04] <wfx> crimsun, better?
[11:05] <Roey> crimsun: hello again
[11:05] <kevin> bleh, just figured out i'm on smallband
[11:05] <Roey> crimsun: so this is the message that I get when I boot kanotix kernel:
[11:05] <Roey> crimsun: Kernel panic - not syncing \n VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,2)
[11:06] <[nrx_] > i got that
[11:06] <kevin> crimsun: thank you for your help, i will apt-get upgrade and dist-update tomorrow when i'm back on broadband
[11:06] <kevin> ttyl
[11:06] <crimsun> kevin: ok
[11:06] <crimsun> Roey: erm, ok.  Can you try booting off the Kubuntu disc?
[11:06] <Roey> crimsun: ok
[11:07] <Roey> crimsun: but kubuntu disc probably doesn't have the chroot and all that stuff.
[11:07] <Roey> crimsun: lemme do that now.
[11:07] <[nrx_] > is he trying to setup dualboot or something?
[11:08] <crimsun> wfx: yes, looks better.  If more info is needed, it will be requested.  Thanks.  :)
[11:09] <crimsun> [nrx_] : boot into his /, which is on md
[11:09] <[nrx_] > i see
[11:09] <[nrx_] > any particular reason why he's disconnecting constantly?
[11:09] <crimsun> rebooting causes that  :)
[11:10] <[nrx_] > so, he's doing all this on the same machine then
[11:10] <crimsun> I believe so
[11:10] <[nrx_] > makes sense now, see
[11:12] <DrGonzo_iXi> i need help setting up pppoe.i'm never used linux before ubuntu,some one plz help
[11:12] <drummer87> hey, is anyone here using hoary preview amd64?
[11:13] <Roey> crimsun, hi
[11:14] <Roey> crimsun:  ok, now I am in gnome/ubuntu (that's what I had for livecd)
[11:14] <drummer87> no?
[11:14] <drummer87> or x86?
[11:15] <crimsun> drummer87: I've used it, why?
[11:15] <drummer87> i don't have sdb in /dev, but i should right?
[11:15] <Roey> crimsun, should I just copy now the ubuntu kernel?
[11:15] <crimsun> drummer87: you have two scsi storage devices?
[11:15] <Roey> crimsun, does it matter if it is ubuntu/hoary or kubunt/hoary?
[11:16] <crimsun> Roey: no, as long as the deb is present
[11:16] <Roey> ok
[11:16] <drummer87> crimsun: sda is sata drive and i need sdb for usb flash drive
[11:16] <Roey> crimsun, ubuntu livecd doesn't seem to have a /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:16] <crimsun> drummer87: /dev/sdb should appear after you plug in the usb flash device
[11:16] <smurfix> drummer87: you using udev?
[11:16] <drummer87> i try to mount usb drive but get error 'special device /dev/sdb does not exist'
[11:17] <smurfix> drummer87: Is it llisted in /proc/partitions?
[11:17] <drummer87> what's udev and how do i use it?
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> omg - i havetn done an apt-get upgrade in ages :(
[11:17] <crimsun> hum, sata...
[11:17] <smurfix> drummer87: It's a package.
[11:18] <Roey> crimsun,  do you know where thekernel package is in ubuntu?
[11:18] <smurfix> drummer87: You're using it if it is installed ;-)
[11:18] <Roey> crimsun, off the ubuntu livecd that is?
[11:18] <crimsun> Roey: err, as a deb? I don't know
[11:18] <dex1> crimsun: Success! :) I found a tutorial on mounting floppies and fumbled around, eventually getting to the point where I'm about to paste it into pastebin. Shall I click "Submit Post" there now?
[11:18] <Roey> crimsun, (that iswhat you asked for, right?0
[11:18] <crimsun> dex1: yes.
[11:18] <smurfix> Roey: linux-image-*
[11:19] <crimsun> Roey: I don't know if the livecd actually keeps a copy of the deb, which is what you'd need to dpkg -i
[11:19] <Roey> smurfix, where can I get that off the ubuntu livecd.
[11:19] <Roey> crimsun, ok
[11:19] <dex1> crimsun: yep, it worked. http://pastebin.ca/8305.
[11:19] <Alessio> sorry
[11:19] <Myrtti> I've managed to screw my Rhythmbox up. I see only about one third of the network shares that are on my SO's Windows XP. Any ideas?
[11:19] <Alessio> my boot partiton is full
[11:19] <Alessio> 100%
[11:19] <Alessio> what can i do?
[11:19] <wfx> the "Submit Data... to ubuntu device database" feature is great but it fails to send an option to open the email client with the right email address would be nice
[11:20] <Roey> crimsun:  linux-image-2.6.10-4-amd64-generi 2.6.10-25.2                       Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on x86_64.
[11:20] <Roey> crimsun:  ii  linux-image-amd64-generic         2.6.10-5                          Linux kernel image on x86_64.
[11:20] <Roey> crimsun, that's it
[11:20] <Roey> crimsun, that's the one I think.
[11:20] <drummer87> smurfix: udev installed, but i can't find /proc/partitions
[11:20] <smurfix> Roey: On the livecd, the kernel is in the /install folder
[11:21] <Roey> smurfix:  /install is where? under /?
[11:21] <Roey> smurfix, Idon't see it there
[11:21] <smurfix> Roey: It's on the CD, not the live file system
[11:21] <smurfix> Roey: You need to mount the CD first
[11:21] <Alessio> smurfix, my boot partiton is full, what can i do?
[11:21] <Roey> oik
[11:21] <smurfix> Alessio: delete something :-/
[11:21] <Alessio> what?
[11:21] <Roey> smurfix, /cdrom/install
[11:22] <Alessio> what can i delete?
[11:22] <Alessio> old linux image?
[11:22] <smurfix> Alessio: /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[11:22] <drummer87> smurfix: this is dmesg output when i plug in drive:
[11:22] <drummer87> ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: port 1 reset error -110
[11:22] <Alessio> no..
[11:22] <drummer87> hub 3-0:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -32)
[11:22] <Roey> smurfix, I'm booted off the livecd, I can't mount anything at the oment :)
[11:22] <smurfix> Roey: Sure you can
[11:22] <Roey> how
[11:23] <smurfix> Roey: Open a terminal window, sudo mount -r /dev/cdrom /mnt
[11:23] <Alessio> smurfix, this dir /boot is the boot partition
[11:23] <wfx> hmm, the hwdb_data.xml is not well formed should i send a bug?
[11:23] <smurfix> Alessio: ah
[11:24] <Alessio> smurfix, if i delete /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb, i don't resolve my problem
[11:24] <Roey> smurfix:  first off I have something mounted in /mnt/md2, so I created a /mnt/cd
[11:24] <Roey> smurfix:  like this:  root@ubuntu:/cdrom# mkdir /mnt/cd && mount -r /cdrom /mnt/cd
[11:24] <Roey> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[11:24] <drummer87> crimsun: why the hum, sata
[11:24] <smurfix> Alessio: how big is your /boot anyway
[11:25] <crimsun> drummer87: I was trying to recall an issue I saw described regarding those symptoms
[11:25] <Roey> smurfix, so how do I do it then?
[11:25] <smurfix> Roey: mount -t iso9660 ...
[11:25] <Roey> mount -t iso9660 /cdrom /mnt/cd ???
[11:25] <drummer87> anyhow.. how can i get sdb in /dev, it just isn't there anywhere. on hd install and live cd
[11:25] <Roey> smurfix, like that?
[11:26] <drummer87> or where else can i mount the usb drive?
[11:26] <smurfix> Roey: sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cd
[11:26] <crimsun> drummer87: try: pmount /dev/sdb1 foo
[11:26] <crimsun> drummer87: it should appear in /media/foo
[11:26] <pw> Er, can I just say that all my Ubuntu installations are working perfectly and I have no problems at all and thanks a squillion to the devs?
[11:26] <Roey> smurfix, ok it worked... now the kernel image is in pool?
[11:26] <smurfix> drummer87: That error message tells me it can't access your stick for some reason
[11:27] <smurfix> Roey: no, /install
[11:27] <Roey> ok
[11:27] <smurfix> Roey: There's no kernel .deb on the livecd, what for?
[11:27] <pw> I tried the PPC liveCD on my G4 yesterday; everything worked, including my aftermarket wireless NIC.
[11:27] <Roey> smurfix, oh.
[11:27] <crimsun> dex1: is this with Hoary or Warty?
[11:28] <Roey> smurfix, so I can just copy this over to my /boot on my hard disk and run grub-update
[11:28] <Roey> smurfix, this along with the initrd.img
[11:28] <dex1> crims: warty
[11:28] <Roey> smurfix, crimsun: and it'd hopefully work on reboo???
[11:28] <dex1> I only have warty. (from cover CD on magazine)
[11:28] <crimsun> dex1: grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | tail -1
[11:28] <dex1> k doing that now
[11:29] <smurfix> Roey: probably. You should check /boot/grub/menu.lst whether it's there afterwards; if not, edit that file and add it manually
[11:29] <Echylo> to install kernel source its just sudo apt-get install kernel-source ?
[11:29] <crimsun> Echylo: for Hoary?
[11:29] <Alessio> smurfix, /dev/hda5                45781     45756         0 100% /boot
[11:29] <Alessio> too small?
[11:29] <dex1> crimsun: Output of the command is: Driver     "s3"
[11:30] <crimsun> Echylo: linux-source-2.6.10 (Hoary), linux-source-2.6.8.1 (Warty)
[11:30] <crimsun> dex1: ok.  Sec.
[11:30] <smurfix> Alessio: Uh, 45 MB is enough room for a lot of kernels, what's on there??
[11:30] <dex1> k ty
[11:30] <estesoyyo> hello
[11:30] <Alessio> from 2.6.10-2-386
[11:31] <drummer87> crimsun: 'could not determine real path of the device. no such file or directory'
[11:31] <oowf> HI... I am fixing to take the plunge and change over from XP SP2 to Hoary.  Is there a good source where I can go to get software that is basically equal to what I am using now?
[11:31] <Roey> ok
[11:31] <[nrx] > i just stuck the lit end of a ciggy in my mouth
[11:31] <[nrx] > it hurts a lot.
[11:31] <Alessio> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[11:31] <Alessio>  -2.6.8.1-4-386 2.6.10-2-386
[11:31] <Alessio>  2.6.10-3-386
[11:31] <Alessio>  2.6.10-4-386
[11:31] <Alessio>  2.6.10-5-386
[11:31] <Alessio>  2.6.10-5-386.new
[11:31] <Roey> crimsun, smurfix:   hopefully ubuntu's kernel can unzip the rdinit.gz
[11:31] <oowf> Or a forum where I can find out these things?
[11:31] <Alessio> too.. kernel
[11:31] <[nrx] > ;o
[11:31] <[nrx] > why'd he go
[11:32] <Roey> crimsun, smurfix:  I reboot now.
[11:32] <smurfix> Roey: sure it can
[11:32] <wfx> Install kernel option ide=reverse does not work or do i anything wrong (linux ide=reverse)?
[11:32] <smurfix> Alessio: so delete a few of them ...
[11:32] <ewing> hi
[11:32] <Alessio> ok
[11:33] <crimsun> dex1: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like support for your chipset was removed in v4
[11:33] <crimsun> dex1: it does work with the older v3.3.6
[11:33] <dex1> v3.3.6 of er what?
[11:33] <crimsun> dex1: XFree86
[11:33] <dex1> "Ah"
[11:33] <crimsun> dex1: please sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:33] <dex1> Suggestions?
[11:33] <drummer87> oh well, hopefully it'll work in the final release
[11:33] <Echylo> thanks crimsun  :)
[11:34] <crimsun> dex1: and choose the "vesa" driver
[11:34] <dex1> ooh ok I'll do that now
[11:34] <pw> Wow. There are people still using S3 cards?
[11:34] <smurfix> Alessio: On my system, each kernel image's initrd is 4MB and the kernel 1.2, so that still doesn't add up to your 45
[11:34] <Alessio> smurfix, but my problem is for anyone that upgrade hoary
[11:34] <crimsun> pw: he's got a TrioV2 - even older :)
[11:34] <dex1> pw: On the old Compaq yeah. On the XP system I'm on now it's a flash ATI card.
[11:35] <pw> Yow. Trio64?
[11:35] <pw> Is that a Deskpro 2500 or thereabouts, then?
[11:35] <dex1> pw: Presario 4600 ;)
[11:35] <Alessio> how is your boot?
[11:35] <lannoo> does someone here
[11:35] <smurfix> Alessio: I just wonder what's on your /boot that's so big. I did upgrade and it's definitely not so on my system
[11:35] <lannoo> have 'Everybody's Weird'
[11:35] <ruby> guys... help... having some problems with apt-get... here is what i get in dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G6seCu23.html
[11:35] <lannoo> from 'dEUS'?
[11:35] <pw> dex1: I think if I had one of those, I'd have no problem keeping the door open.
[11:36] <smurfix> Alessio: du /boot => 25 MB, and that's with 9 kernels installed
[11:37] <dex1> crimsun: vesa option selected, I presume I leave the identifier 'S3 blahblah [Trio 64V2blah or blah] __' as is?
[11:37] <pw> ruby: try apt-get update again
[11:37] <pw> I had this with one repository, and doing it twice seemed to fix it.
[11:37] <crimsun> dex1: sure.  You only need to change the driver.
[11:37] <dex1> Incidentally, can we be sure it isn't the (new) Iiyama ProLite E430 monitor causing the prob?
[11:37] <ruby> pw: done all... sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:38] <crimsun> dex1: not sure, no.  We can consider that if vesa works.
[11:38] <pw> ruby: I mean, do apt-get update twice, then your upgrade and then dist-upgrade.
[11:39] <dex1> okey doke. back at command prompt. do i ctrl-alt-del / type reboot? :) I'm assuming so
[11:39] <dex1> I'll do it now.
[11:40] <crimsun> dex1: no need
[11:40] <crimsun> dex1: just sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:40] <dex1> crim: whoops too late ;)
[11:40] <Roey> crimsun, smurfix:  didn't work
[11:41] <topyli> is the openoffice.org2 in hoary usable?
[11:41] <ruby> pw: ok... apt-get update is the one not working propperly...
[11:41] <HiddenWolf> topyli: last I checked, not really
[11:41] <Roey> crimsun, smurfix:  I get the same thing but with a diff. device number:   PANIC not syncing : VFS : unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[11:41] <dex1> it's doing the boot kernel, acpi: unable to locate rsdp, starting ubuntu blah lots of asterisked items (this is where the monitor went off before until ctrl-alt-f1'd)
[11:41] <topyli> HiddenWolf: yeah, i tried it some time ago, had a couple of crashes
[11:41] <Roey> crimsun:  are you around tomorrow?
[11:41] <Alessio> smurfix, thanks :)
[11:41] <Roey> crimsun:   I need to go to sleep
[11:41] <Roey> crimsun:   this is just *too* stupid
[11:42] <Roey> crimsun:   I don't get why LILO doesn't work for me
[11:42] <Roey> crimsun:   does LILO not know how to boot 64-bit kernels/!?
[11:42] <keffo> :P
[11:42] <crimsun> Roey: yes, I'll be around in ~12 hours
[11:43] <Roey> crimsun:   ok
[11:43] <Roey> what time is it
[11:43] <HiddenWolf> topyli: not much has changed since I had those crashes, or so hoary-changes tells me. :)
[11:43] <crimsun> Roey: err, same time you have...
[11:43] <Roey> whic is
[11:43] <Roey> ?
[11:43] <dex1> crimsun: :( :( :(  it's got corrupted color blocks on it.
[11:43] <Roey> doesn't say here
[11:43] <Roey> it says 09:43 AM
[11:43] <dex1> oh wait now it's back
[11:43] <crimsun> -5
[11:43] <crimsun> (it's on UTC, apparently)
[11:43] <Roey> jesus christ.
[11:43] <Roey> ok
[11:43] <topyli> HiddenWolf: i guess i'll try and find pavel's packages, they're more up to date
[11:44] <Roey> 4:43????
[11:44] <crimsun> yep
[11:44] <smurfix> Roey: Hmm, yes, you probably need to build an initrd with the modules for your system, the livecd's initrd doesn't have disk drivers
[11:44] <Roey> smurfix:   I tried
[11:44] <Roey> smurfix:   I've tried all this shit
[11:44] <Roey> smurfix:   I appreicate your help.  honestly, I've been going in circles for the past two weeks
[11:44] <smurfix> Roey: Which root= option are you passing to the new kernel?
[11:44] <Roey> smurfix:   root=/dev/md2
[11:44] <Roey> smurfix:   the kernel doesn't have raid drivers in it
[11:44] <Roey> smurfix:   statically
[11:45] <Roey> smurfix:   I don't know how it did it before
[11:45] <Roey> smurfix:   now it refuses to boot.
[11:45] <smurfix> Roey: sure, but the initrd should load them. mkinitrd knows how to do that.
[11:45] <smurfix> should know .-/
[11:45] <estesoyyo> i have a problem with kmail ("can't create $HOME/Mail" on startup)
[11:45] <Roey> smurfix:   I don't know anymore
[11:45] <Roey> smurfix:   all find myself an equivalent distribution that defaults to lilo
[11:45] <Roey> amd64
[11:45] <Roey> kde 3.4.0
[11:45] <Roey> xorg
[11:45] <Roey> switch to that.
[11:45] <Roey> enough of this mess.
[11:45] <hgoesm> can i istall the bitdefender AntiVirsu scanne as deb under ubuntu with dpkg -i packagename
[11:46] <Roey> I'll be back in 8 hours.
[11:46] <Roey> bye.
[11:46] <dex1> crimsun: it has a graphical dialog box up. 'error starting XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem. blah and a close button
[11:46] <hgoesm> i tried it a it does not work
[11:46] <ruby> guys... i have some problems with apt-get... here is the output of apt-get update:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/G6seCu23.html
[11:46] <crimsun> dex1: err... please paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin
[11:46] <pw> dex1: You could always install Debian Potato, which has xf86 3.3.6 :-)
[11:47] <pw> You could then pin the X packages, and dist-upgrade to whatever else you can.
[11:47] <dex1> pw: Debian regular probably is a little advanced for me. Given my probs so far. :>
[11:47] <MemnocH> can any one help me sort out why my Audigy 2 is not working in hoary i386?
[11:48] <Nonphasis> MemnocH, does alsamixer show it?
[11:48] <RuffianSoldier> im running a 500MB apt-get upgrade
[11:48] <RuffianSoldier> havent done it in months
[11:48] <dex1> pw: still, at least my motives for installing *nix are admirable (to contribute to open source stuff)
[11:48] <MemnocH> Nonphasis,  alsamixer fails to load, I know about the unmute the channel issue, unable to get alsa to work...
[11:48] <crimsun> MemnocH: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[11:49] <MemnocH> crimsun, nothing show up there
[11:49] <crimsun> MemnocH: ok, then you need a newer version of ALSA
[11:49] <topyli> HiddenWolf: pavel seems to have debs of build 88 from the 24th of this month. i guess you can't get more current than that :)
[11:49] <corza> hey guys.. what program in linux burns audio cd's???
[11:49] <Nonphasis> isn't audigo 10k2 or something more advanced?
[11:49] <Nonphasis> corza, k3b
[11:49] <estesoyyo> corza, k3b, eroaster, ...
[11:49] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok cool, it is packaged? or source building?
[11:49] <corza> best one is.........
[11:49] <estesoyyo> k3b
[11:49] <HiddenWolf> topyli: knowing how 'stable' OO.o1 is, I wouldn't expect much from 2.
[11:49] <corza> kk
[11:50] <[nrx_] > anyone givem e some help with alsa?
[11:50] <[nrx_] > i've installed the drivers, etc, done the modprobe and still i have nothing
[11:50] <[nrx_] > though, there doesn't seem to be any mixers with ubuntu
[11:50] <topyli> HiddenWolf: i just might try it. dunno about stability or speed, but there are many feature improvements
[11:51] <estesoyyo> HiddenWolf, the problem with OO.o is not (only) its being 'stable' but being 'so lightweight' too
[11:51] <pw> MemnocH: I have an Audigy2 that is working correctly with ALSA and the following kernel:
[11:51] <pw> Linux cordelia 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Thu Mar 24 14:58:42 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:51] <MemnocH> ok
[11:51] <Nonphasis> I thought oo.o is rock solid as stability goes
[11:51] <crimsun> MemnocH: / [nrx_] : I'm currently testing an experimental package.  Will let you know in a few minutes.
[11:51] <keffo> is there any good app that emulates mds or isofiles.. just like daemon tools (for windows) does?
[11:51] <MemnocH> pw, 2.6.10-5-k7
[11:51] <Nonphasis> perhaps they broke it recently
[11:52] <[nrx_] > crimsun, k
[11:52] <corza> are you breathing nooo
[11:52] <dmoyne> How to make variables such as JAVA_HOME known to all users including root ; I have put this in "/etc/environment" file but apparently it does not work !
[11:52] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok cool
[11:52] <Nonphasis> keffo, you con mount isos directly
[11:52] <ruby> anyone care to send me his edited source.list?
[11:52] <Nonphasis> keffo, with "loopback" device
[11:52] <pw> dmoyne: Try /etc/profile instead.
[11:52] <[nrx_] > ruby, what are you after?
[11:53] <ruby> i cant get apt to work...
[11:53] <dmoyne> pw, ok I will thanks !
[11:53] <Nonphasis> keffo, "man mount" should help
[11:53] <ruby> http://rafb.net/paste/results/G6seCu23.html
[11:53] <keffo> Nonphasis, doesnt work :<
[11:53] <dmoyne> pw, can I ask you something else ?
[11:53] <crimsun> MemnocH: in the meantime, please tell me the lspci -v information (Device and Subdevice) for your Audigy2
[11:53] <Nonphasis> keffo, you have non-iso images
[11:53] <corza> DISTURBED RULES
[11:53] <topyli> Nonphasis: OO.o1 doesn't crash but it's dog slow. last i looked OO.o2 was pretty unstable, but it'll get there i guess
[11:53] <pw> dmoyne: you can ask. The real question is, Can I answer? :-)_
[11:54] <keffo> Nonphasis, i have a converted mds-file..
[11:54] <pw> It's a bit early on a sunday for Zen, I think.
[11:54] <keffo> to iso
[11:54] <ruby> [nrx_] ?
[11:55] <[nrx_] > yeah
[11:55] <[nrx_] > what's your sources.list looking like?
[11:55] <topyli> mmmm... new artwork. nice metacity theme
[11:55] <kagou> hi
[11:55] <xxenon> 2.6.11 crashes the machine during GNOME loading, while 2.6.10 worked. Known problem ?
[11:55] <ruby> [nrx_] : removed all # before URLs in the default
[11:56] <dmoyne> pw,ok simply I had to switch on my Ubuntu hoary to a 1024 x 768 resolution due to my 17 " monitor but all the gnome apps such as synaptic gimp have very small characters in menus and so on ; I am using KDE and for all KDE apps I have set the fonts properly ; how to do it for Gnome apps ?
[11:56] <dex1> grr. I'm tring to save the file to a floppy. Since I'm in the err GUI thing I opened it in 'gedit' (?) and chose save as to Floppy 1. But it says it can't mount the selected volume.
[11:56] <crimsun> xxenon: 2.6.11?  From where?
[11:56] <keffo> Nonphasis, /mnt/1-40gb/fm2005mini.iso      /mnt/fm2005-mini/ auto  loop,ro 0       0
[11:56] <keffo> that shoulod be enough?
[11:56] <Lathiat> dmoyne: go system->preferences->fonts and change the DPI
[11:56] <keffo> to add in fstbad
[11:56] <keffo> fstab
[11:56] <[nrx_] > try removing the il. and using the base targets instead
[11:57] <[nrx_] > deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[11:57] <dmoyne> pw, you mean with Gnome session ?
[11:57] <dex1> can't remember what I did in the console earlier. -t vfat or something. I'd found a tutorial on mounting floppies.
[11:57] <xxenon> crimsun - linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[11:57] <crimsun> xxenon: that's a known issue, and we're asking for that package to be removed from universe.
[11:57] <xxenon> ok.
[11:57] <crimsun> xxenon: the crash is due to inotify being broken.
[11:57] <ruby> [nrx_] : in all urls?
[11:57] <[nrx_] > yes
[11:57] <crimsun> xxenon: boot with "noinotify"
[11:57] <ruby> ok...
[11:57] <xxenon> crimsun - okay, thanks
[11:57] <xxenon> ok.
[11:58] <crimsun> xxenon: that package is completely unsupported (hence in universe)
[11:58] <corza> guys in k3d it says .mp3 is an unsupported format??
[11:58] <corza> k3b*
[11:58] <[nrx_] > crimsun, how's the package?
[11:58] <pw> dmoyne: Check your resolution in System->Preferences->Font->Details
[11:58] <pw> Set it to 96 for now
[11:59] <Nonphasis> keffo, why add in fstab, one-time mount is probably what you need
[11:59] <dmoyne> pw, is this accessible with KDE ?
[11:59] <corza> k3b cant handle mp3's what do i do
[11:59] <keffo> ok
[11:59] <keffo> Nonphasis,
[11:59] <pw> dmoyne: No idea. KDE is not my forte.
[11:59] <keffo> so now i write?
[11:59] <keffo> forgot what command line ;P
[12:00] <crimsun> [nrx_] : building now
[12:00] <pw> dmoyne: you can get at that by running gnome-font-properties
[12:00] <[nrx_] > cool beans
[12:00] <kain> mm.. ubuntu wiki doesn't work
[12:00] <ruby> yeah! thanks [nrx_] ! upgrading :)
[12:00] <kain> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[12:00] <[nrx_] > ruby, no problem :)
[12:01] <Nonphasis> keffo, just try to mount it, the error msg shows what you should add as on optien
[12:01] <kain> do you receive an error also?
[12:01] <Nonphasis> keffo, mount my.iso /tmy
[12:01] <Nonphasis> keffo, mount my.iso /tmp
[12:01] <kain> mm
[12:01] <kain> for mounting iso: mount -t iso9660 iso.iso /mount/point -o loop
[12:02] <dmoyne> pw, because you see when using Gnome I did it and fixed it but I am a KDE addict an ; ok it worked : it said X settings and Gnome-settings differs ; which one do you want to choose : X-settings I said and it worked ; you are very good !
[12:02] <keffo> thx
[12:02] <pw> *blush*
[12:02] <keffo> do i have to tell cedega to looking for this mounted?
[12:02] <[nrx_] > aw ;p
[12:02] <[nrx_] > it must be loved
[12:03] <[nrx_] > hah
[12:03] <[nrx_] > love, too
[12:03] <dmoyne> pw , now all those Gnome apps have English language set an I am supposed to get French ! ; what to do ?
[12:05] <dex1> Okay, I tried and failed to mount the thing. Going back into 'gedit' and saving as to 'Floppy 1'  just says error could not mount Floppy 1: mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified'. (It was formatted on an WinXP so it'd be a FAT format). :(
[12:05] <keffo> kain or Nonphasis - do i have to tell Cedega to run this mounted iso-file? do you know anything bout such things..?
[12:05] <clx> hello all
[12:05] <crimsun> [nrx_] : out of curiosity, which card are you using?
[12:05] <Dreamer3_> anyone know of memory leak in ubunut warty kernel?
[12:05] <kain> keffo, I've no experience in cedega, sorry
[12:05] <[nrx_] > via82c660
[12:05] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: describe.
[12:05] <clx> who use fluxbox under ubuntulinux?
[12:05] <Nonphasis> keffo, not really, once you find out, tell me too :-)
[12:05] <[nrx_] > laptop, builtin
[12:05] <crimsun> clx: I do
[12:05] <Dreamer3_> i was just plan running out of memory and tried closing/killing almost everything the other day and finally had to reboot
[12:05] <keffo> since i cant play this game without
[12:05] <keffo> ;P
[12:05] <clx> crimsun: i can't run my fluxbox
[12:05] <estesoyyo> corza, k3b DOES "eat" MP3
[12:05] <pw> dmoyne: I have no idea; I've never been much of one for changing my language in Linux.
[12:06] <crimsun> clx: what are the symptoms?
[12:06] <funky> Dreamer3_: ookiller maybe ?
[12:06] <[nrx_] > crimsun, via82c660
[12:06] <Dreamer3_> free had like 500mb in use at the console, no x, no services, etc... plus mbs in swap
[12:06] <funky> out of memory killer
[12:06] <crimsun> [nrx_] : so, using snd-via82xx?
[12:06] <clx> crimsun: after startx my X go to down
[12:06] <Dreamer3_> funky: huh?
[12:06] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yes
[12:06] <keffo> Nonphasis, sure
[12:06] <clx> crimsun: other window managers start normal
[12:06] <crimsun> clx: any reason you're using startx explicitly?
[12:06] <Dreamer3_> funky: nothing was killed, plenty of swap... just system was deadly slow... couldn't find any app using the memory... had to reboot to free it
[12:06] <HiddenWolf> dmoye: install the french language-packs
[12:06] <[nrx_] > crimsun, cept after doing all the necessary (following alsa guide) i still have nothing
[12:07] <crimsun> [nrx_] : "nothing" being...?
[12:07] <clx> crimsun: he want some libs
[12:07] <HiddenWolf> dmoye: then select french in the gdm language menu
[12:07] <funky> Dreamer3_: then, why you think its a kernel issue ?
[12:07] <estesoyyo> corza, you need MAD decoder
[12:07] <funky> the leak could be in whatever app
[12:07] <Dreamer3_> funky: well, i closed like EVERY running app
[12:07] <[nrx_] > crimsun, being no sound.. volume control wouldn't pick up that there's a device though it appears in lspci, etc.
[12:07] <Dreamer3_> funky: i think it's happening again...
[12:07] <Dreamer3_> funky: i mean it was up for like 50 days before... but i expect better than that from linux
[12:08] <dmoyne> pw, thanks ; last one : I cannot use characater ">" in any Editor ; what is the reason ?
[12:08] <pw> dmoyne: is your keyboard configured correctly?
[12:08] <[nrx_] > brb.
[12:08] <dmoyne> pw, I assume so !
[12:09] <pw> Assume not! Check it.
[12:09] <crimsun> clx: and those are...?
[12:09] <crimsun> [nrx_] : ok, does cat /proc/asound/modules  list anything?
[12:09] <clx> crimsun: wait ..
[12:10] <[nrx_] > crimsun, 0 snd_via82xx
[12:10] <dmoyne> hiddenwolf, I am using kdm as a logging manager ; you mean I have to selectr gdm then change language with it !
[12:11] <crimsun> [nrx_] : lsmod|grep ^via82
[12:11] <[nrx_] > crimsun, via82cxxx              13084  1
[12:12] <crimsun> [nrx_] : ok, good.
[12:12] <wfx> is any python developer here how want to help coding on a board game?
[12:12] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and you're using Hoary, correct?
[12:12] <[nrx_] > warty
[12:12] <HiddenWolf> dmoyne: no, you'll have to select french in kdm then.
[12:12] <clx> crimsun: see private
[12:12] <[nrx_] > crimsun, warty, sorry
[12:13] <crimsun> [nrx_] : hum!  Have you tried the 'alsa-source' package in universe?
[12:13] <dmoyne> hiddenwolf, the problem is that all my KDE apps are using French !
[12:13] <[nrx_] > crimsun, I went straight for the source on alsa-project.org and compiled from scratch
[12:14] <clx> crimsun: see private please !
[12:14] <crimsun> clx: getting there
[12:15] <crimsun> [nrx_] : which package, alsa-driver? alsa-lib? all?
[12:15] <Bloody|RLC> hello all
[12:16] <Bloody|RLC> where get nfs-servet v.3 or v.4 ???
[12:16] <crimsun> jessica_: if you could paste that /var/log/kernel.log.0 on http://pastebin.ca, that would help
[12:16] <Bloody|RLC> in ubuntu v.2 :(
[12:17] <jessica_> crimsun: ok
[12:21] <Petro> Is it safe to install a Debian kernel on Ubuntu?
[12:21] <MemnocH> crimsun, sorry bout pm
[12:22] <Nonphasis> Petro, why do you need it?
[12:22] <[nrx_] > crimsun, all
[12:22] <[nrx_] > crimsun, sorry.. kids were playing up
[12:22] <crimsun> Petro: yes, you _can_, but be aware that Ubuntu needs linux-image packages.
[12:22] <Insanitary> Are thre always so many people in here, or are they just bots
[12:22] <Petro> I have it customed built (had to insert acx100 drivers). It will be used on the same hardware as it was built for
[12:23] <dex1> crimsun: Thanks, done. http://pastebin.ca/8307 = /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[12:23] <Nonphasis> Insanitary, they are mostlry bots, though some exhibit almost human capabilities
[12:23] <Seveas> Nonphasis, lol :)
[12:24] <MemnocH> crimsun, did u get that package made
[12:24] <Insanitary> Really!
[12:24] <Insanitary> WOW!
[12:24] <Insanitary> I MUST have those bots in my room, coz i would like a bot or two that can actually do something
[12:24] <Insanitary> My bots can only do simple tasks.
[12:24] <Seveas> Insanitary, do youreally believe it??
[12:24] <Seveas> it's just people here
[12:24] <crimsun> MemnocH: yes, but I'm trying to figure out how to manage its strict dependencies (it's a package from Debian, and it has much stronger package-version requirements)
[12:25] <Seveas> and a few simple bots i believe
[12:25] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok
[12:25] <jessica_> I have a problem with Ubuntu kernels on my girlfriends computer since 2.6.10. The system hangs, and programs start segfaulting. (crimsun) Please see http://atlas.et.tudelft.nl/1200348/pub/bugs/kern.log . What to do?
[12:25] <Nonphasis> Ubuntu is quite big these days
[12:25] <corza> Hey guys.. my kb3 cant handle .mp3's how do i fix that?
[12:25] <Insanitary> I think i jusdt had a blonde moment
[12:25] <corza> k3b*
[12:25] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and installed them?  aieee...  That clobbered Ubuntu's infrastructure for handling ALSA...
[12:25] <Nonphasis> bigger still two weeks from now :)
[12:26] <jessica_> ( crimsun ) As you can see, I have been running 2.6.8.1 as well, which ran fine.
[12:26] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yes.. all installed with no error messages :/
[12:26] <corza> Can someone help me with k3b?
[12:26] <Dreamer3_> anyone using warty backports?
[12:26] <jessica_> ( crimsun ) especially check Mar 27 07:36:19
[12:26] <Dreamer3_> is it safe to upgrade my glib to 2.6.x for firefox 1.0.1 and gaim?
[12:27] <Seveas> Dreamer3_, it is better to upgrade to hoary than to use backports
[12:27] <SouL_ReBeL> Do you know why I can't find a recent version of KVirc? i see only 2.1.3 in the repositories...
[12:27] <Seveas> backports can really f*ck up your system and hoary is really stable already
[12:28] <crimsun> jessica_: so you're using Warty?
[12:28] <estesoyyo> corza, install MAD decoder
[12:28] <[nrx_] > crimsun, are there known issues with ALSA?
[12:28] <crimsun> jessica_: is there any way she can dist-upgrade to Hoary?  It has a much newer kernel.
[12:28] <corza> estesoyyo, how do i do that?
[12:28] <[nrx_] > crimsun, or could this just be specific to the via range?
[12:28] <crimsun> [nrx_] : with the version in Warty, yes.
[12:29] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: had 0 problems with backports so far :) just worried about a major system library...
[12:29] <crimsun> [nrx_] : unfortunately the via82xx ALSA driver hasn't seen much action lately
[12:29] <jessica_> crimsun: No, I was. I dist-upgraded to hoary. Kernel 2.6.10-5-386. But it's not stable here. So I used the warty-kernel 2.6.8.1, which worked, but of course missed hoary-features
[12:29] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: and when i first installed warty it was NOT ok to upgrade to hoary :)
[12:29] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : VIA? ALSA problems? I had those until I disabled acpi
[12:29] <[nrx_] > crimsun, any patches available? I don't wanna have to up to hoary
[12:29] <[nrx_] > Pizbit, yes
[12:29] <Nonphasis> Pizbit, what problems?
[12:29] <Seveas> jessica_, why the 386 kernel?
[12:29] <jessica_> crimsun: I could install hoary-preview as well, but i don't think it will solve the problem
[12:30] <Pizbit> Uh, one sound would repeat forever
[12:30] <crimsun> [nrx_] : none that won't break due to stronger version requirements
[12:30] <Pizbit> That or I got no sound
[12:30] <corza> in k3b how do i support .mp3 files?
[12:30] <Seveas> try tht 686 one f you're on pentium
[12:30] <Seveas> orthe k7 one for amd
[12:30] <[nrx_] > crimsun, what do you suggest I do?
[12:30] <crimsun> [nrx_] : have you tried booting with "noapic" or "pci=noacpi" ?
[12:30] <crimsun> [nrx_] : (as Pizbit suggested)
[12:30] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: and this is my primary work/play/everything PC... in the middle of big project, no time for any problems now :)
[12:30] <[nrx_] > no
[12:30] <jessica_> Seveas: Because it's the default. I know I can optimize to k7 or anything, but I can run gentoo as well. This is about a problem, which should be fixed. Not about the possibility to run other kernels.
[12:30] <crimsun> [nrx_] : first try booting with "pci=noacpi"
[12:31] <[nrx_] > the lilo i have doesn't seem to allow you to pass options to the kernel ;o
[12:31] <Seveas> jessica_, running another kernel can fix problems...
[12:31] <crimsun> [nrx_] : err...lilo?
[12:31] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : Lilo? Ubuntu uses grub
[12:31] <[nrx_] > i know... cept i had to install a base of debian first
[12:31] <corza> i need help with k3b!!
[12:31] <fuldl> how much free hd space do i need for an upgrade from warty to hoary?
[12:31] <Pizbit> Ahh
[12:31] <crimsun> jessica_: how is 2.6.10-5-386 unstable for her?
[12:31] <MemnocH> any one know the source for win32 codecs?
[12:31] <jessica_> Seveas: No it bypassed them. Please, don't disturb this conversation. I can go run freebsd as well.
[12:32] <corza> I NEED HELP WITH K3B!
[12:32] <[nrx_] > i shall give that a bash and i'll be back shortly
[12:32] <[nrx_] >  :)
[12:32] <crimsun> jessica_: Seveas is honestly attempting to assist
[12:32] <azad> corza aha :)
[12:32] <Pizbit> MemnocH: This explains all http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:32] <corza> azad: can u help me?? :P
[12:32] <azad> had the same problem
[12:32] <MemnocH> Pizbit, thanks
[12:32] <azad> you could convert 'em before
[12:32] <corza> azad: oh??
[12:32] <jessica_> crimsun: Ok, I know, and i appreciate that - really. But I think it's good to address this problem, not bypassing it, see? :)
[12:33] <corza> azad: wwhat, eh, how? hmm??
[12:33] <Seveas> jessica_, fine, do what you want, i am just suggesting something, dont be a bitch about it
[12:33] <corza> azad: explain...
[12:33] <azad> with another application, but i don't one, sorry :(
[12:33] <jessica_> crimsun: sometimes the system spontaneously hangs, or starts getting incredibly inresponsive. I saw dpkg segfaulting, that sort of stuff
[12:33] <azad> don't know..
[12:33] <azad> google for something like that
[12:33] <azad> linux mp3 to wav converter, maybe
[12:33] <Pizbit> jessica_: Are a lot of programs segfaulting?
[12:33] <azad> or use another programm..
[12:33] <jessica_> Seveas: I'm sorry, I will probably try another kernel as well. But I would just like to improve the things for other users as well.
[12:34] <Seveas> jessica_, if everything is segfaulting than there are 3 things to do: run memtest86, upgrade kernel, upgrade libc
[12:34] <corza> can someone help me with k3b?
[12:34] <jessica_> Pizbit: well, not very often. When eog (eye of gnome) segfaulted, i thought "well, development...". But when I couldn't apt-get dist-upgrade because of segfaulting dpkg, i became suspicious
[12:34] <Seveas> becau these components affect memory handling for all programs
[12:34] <crimsun> jessica_: ok, and those times when it is extremely unresponsive or freezes, are there corresponding OOPSes listed in dmesg?
[12:35] <jessica_> crimsun: Yes, that's what it looks like
[12:35] <jessica_> Seveas: I will run memtest86, good point
[12:35] <SouL_ReBeL> does any of you know why I can't find a recent version of KVirc? There is only 2.1.3 in the repositories while current version is 3.2. I just like it more than XChat
[12:35] <Pizbit> jessica_: Hrm, I'd go with what Seveas suggested, run memtest86
[12:36] <jessica_> I will run memtest86.
[12:36] <crimsun> great.
[12:36] <jessica_> any preverence for 86+ above normal memtest86?
[12:37] <crimsun> jessica_: either will work
[12:37] <MemnocH> crimsun, anything I can do to get alsa working? Im semi linux eperienced.. Shoud I follow alsa's site on compiling alsa?
[12:38] <crimsun> MemnocH: you're on Hoary, correct?
[12:38] <MemnocH> yup
[12:38] <[nrx] > crimsun, when trying to boot with "pci=noapci" it get "PCI unknown option noapci"
[12:38] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Hrm, not the Dreamer3 from Undernet-#linuxhelp by any chance?
[12:38] <[nrx] > heh
[12:38] <[nrx] > doh
[12:38] <crimsun> [nrx] : it's pci=noacpi
[12:38] <dex1> crimsun: any thoughts on the XKB starting error that was pastebinned?
[12:38] <Seveas> noacpi might work better :)
[12:38] <jessica_> I'll be back later, after running memtest. Thanks people.
[12:39] <crimsun> dex1: please paste the url again (got lost in the backscroll)
[12:39] <Pizbit> syn-ack: 'ello there:)
[12:39] <_phreak> howdy
[12:39] <crimsun> MemnocH: yes, there's one thing to try but I'll have to tweak some things
[12:40] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok thanks
[12:40] <syn-ack> Pizbit: wow, fancy seeing you here. :)
[12:40] <_phreak> k3b-mp3 support is killing me
[12:40] <dex1> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/8307 = /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[12:40] <_phreak> i even tried alien'ing the damn rpm
[12:40] <Pizbit> syn-ack: Wellll, I figured since Hoary is out soonish I should get myself current.
[12:40] <syn-ack> Pizbit: heh. What is it now, 2.5 weeks?
[12:41] <Pizbit> 1.5 or so
[12:41] <_phreak> any awake kubuntu users?
[12:41] <Pizbit> _phreak: #kubuntu ?
[12:41] <_phreak> lol
[12:42] <omniscient> hey what umask would i use in fstab to make a system that gets mounted writable/readable by mormal users?
[12:42] <syn-ack> Pizbit: I was just trying to get windows to install on my bad hard disk... I failed. Getting all these corrupt files and such.
[12:42] <_phreak> seriously, they have a KDE version called that....
[12:42] <Pizbit> _phreak: /topic
[12:42] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: yes
[12:42] <crimsun> dex1: I just noticed you're not running the newest version for Warty
[12:42] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: And you're alive too:)
[12:42] <crimsun> dex1: please apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:43] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: there is only one me
[12:43] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: and i run ubuntu, not kubuntu ;-)
[12:43] <dex1> crimsun: from within gnome > console?
[12:43] <Pizbit> syn-ack: Heh, I had enough troubles getting windows onto a good HD(failed after 3 attempts, odd since 2 years ago it installed fine)
[12:43] <crimsun> dex1: or from Synaptic, sure
[12:43] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: :D
[12:43] <_phreak> sheesh, sorry, i'm out
[12:43] <dex1> gnome terminal I mean
[12:43] <Dreamer3_> i was asking about upgrading my glib to 2.6 from backports but not getting any positive support...
[12:44] <[nrx_] > that didn't work
[12:44] <[nrx_] > ;/
[12:44] <syn-ack> Pizbit: eh, I knew it was a bad disk. I had troubles with linux. I was trying to waste time anyway since I was bored
[12:44] <crimsun> [nrx] : now, what about noapic ?
[12:44] <Pizbit> syn-ack: hehe, a glutton for punishment huh?
[12:44] <syn-ack> Pizbit: You know it. :)
[12:44] <[nrx_] > what exactly is the syntax for that?
[12:44] <azad> hm
[12:44] <crimsun> [nrx] : noapic
[12:45] <[nrx_] > k
[12:45] <azad> Yo ma gangstas whussup?
[12:45] <azad> sorry.. just felt like saying that.
[12:45] <syn-ack> *blink*
[12:45] <xaotic> hi, anyone using dnsmasq and resolvconf here
[12:47] <syn-ack> xaotic: Everyone uses resolv.conf
[12:47] <omniscient> /dev/hda5       /media/shared   msdos   rw,user,umask=775       0       0
[12:47] <omniscient> i put this line in my fstab but as a user i cant even get a listing from /media/shared
[12:47] <Pizbit> omniscient: Try tacking on 000 to the end
[12:47] <omniscient> another 0?
[12:47] <crimsun> xaotic: sorry, no.
[12:47] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: sheesh, is everyone from #linuxhelp here now/
[12:47] <Pizbit> omniscient: 'tacking on' = 'append'
[12:47] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: :D
[12:48] <dex1> crimsun: Ok I typed those into the root terminal. for apt-get update it just said reading pkage lists ...done and for the dist-upgrade it said reading package lists... done, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. it didn't take more than a moment to finish
[12:48] <crimsun> MemnocH: have you tried 'alsa-source' from universe?
[12:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: is a upgrade to hoary really considered safe now?
[12:48] <wfx> why cant gnome render this desktop background : http://teg.sourceforge.net/data/share/other/allisfulloflove_ubuntu.svg to this: http://teg.sourceforge.net/data/share/other/allisfulloflove_ubuntu.png (is indexed)
[12:48] <syn-ack> Have I ever mentioned that XM is the greatest thing to happen to man?
[12:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: I certainly hope so, since 6 April, 2005 is looming
[12:48] <azad> syn-ack, he asked for resolvconf
[12:48] <MemnocH> crimsun, yeh I think, can I specify a repository in apt?
[12:48] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: I upgraded to hoary some time ago and it was safe then, I'd imagine that being so close to the release point it'd be safe now too.
[12:48] <azad> :)
[12:48] <crimsun> MemnocH: is universe enabled?
[12:49] <Pizbit> syn-ack: I could google it, but I CBF, XM?
[12:49] <Lindo> HAS anyone in here got Enemy Territory Working on AMD 64 ?
[12:49] <MemnocH> crimsun, yup
[12:49] <syn-ack> Pizbit: XM radio
[12:49] <omniscient> Pizbit, I get the same permission errors when I try to ls the directory
[12:49] <syn-ack> Pizbit: www.xmradio.com
[12:49] <crimsun> MemnocH: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[12:49] <Pizbit> omniscient: Did you remount the partition?
[12:49] <omniscient> yes
[12:50] <dex1> crimsun: does that mean the apt-get update/dist-upgrade didn't work properly? Or is that what should happen
[12:50] <kain> rhythmbox doesn't work anymore. Got error opening "file:///mnt/storage/mp3/da%20sistemare/Aborym/With%20No%20Human%20Intervention/Aborym%20-%20Humechanics-virus.mp3":
[12:50] <kain> every mp3
[12:50] <omniscient> /dev/hda5       /media/shared   msdos   rw,user,umask=775       0       0       000
[12:50] <crimsun> dex1: err, are you running Hoary?
[12:50] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok 6 min for that to run through
[12:50] <omniscient> that is what my fstab entry looks like now
[12:50] <dex1> warty
[12:50] <Seveas> kain, and wat is the error?
[12:50] <dex1> I only have that
[12:50] <Pizbit> omniscient: Woa, msdos?:)
[12:50] <syn-ack> old sk00l
[12:50] <kain> Seveas, that's the one I wrote
[12:50] <omniscient> lol, yes the fs, but no, windows xp is the alternate
[12:50] <Pizbit> Are you sure it's not vfat or whatever passes for fat these days?
[12:51] <Lindo> HAS anyone in here got Enemy Territory Working on AMD 64 ?
[12:51] <omniscient> i just read that ntfs write isnt very nice
[12:51] <kain> it shows up in console
[12:51] <crimsun> dex1: right, I thought so.  No, you should update && dist-upgrade.  There are a _lot_ of security updates for Warty.
[12:51] <omniscient> so i used fat for my shared partition
[12:51] <Seveas> kain, that error sure isn;t helpful :)
[12:51] <[nrx_] > crimsum, "Sorry, no mixer elements or sound devices found"
[12:51] <Pizbit> omniscient: Try changing msdos to vfat, just a guess
[12:51] <Seveas> is /mnt/storage still mounted?
[12:51] <omniscient> oh ok
[12:51] <omniscient> makes sence
[12:51] <crimsun> [nrx_] : with noapic, correct?
[12:51] <Seveas> kain, and have you installed mp3 codecs?
[12:51] <dex1> crimsun: I thought that's what I did. But it didn't seem to *do* anything???
[12:51] <kain> Seveas, ehe, I know, but this tell me this. yes,it's mounted without problem, the only thing I'm doing on drive is download a big thing with wget
[12:52] <kain> to /mnt/storage
[12:52] <crimsun> dex1: did you restart gdm after the dist-upgrade finished?
[12:52] <Seveas> kain, if this only hapened after an upgrade to hoare, re-install the codecs
[12:52] <dex1> crimsun: syn-ack: Dreamer3_: :D
[12:52] <dex1> dex1: crimsun: Ok I typed those into the root terminal. for apt-get update it just said reading pkage lists ...done and for the dist-upgrade it said reading package lists... done, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. it didn't take more than a moment to finish
[12:52] <dex1> crimsun: MemnocH: have you tried 'alsa-source' from universe?
[12:52] <omniscient> Pizbit, same deal man :(
[12:52] <MemnocH> dex1,  yup
[12:52] <omniscient> is the umask part right?
[12:52] <kain> Seveas, yesterday was working, maybe I only need to restart in order to update something upgraded
[12:52] <crimsun> dex1: oh wait, please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list onto http://pastebin.ca
[12:52] <kain> Seveas, thing that I haven't done yet
[12:52] <Pizbit> omniscient: Hrm, oh yeah, try adding in defaults to the options
[12:52] <dex1> crimsun: I didn't restart but it took <5secs to do that so I doubt it did anything?
[12:52] <dex1> kk will do that now
[12:52] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yes with noapic
[12:53] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : Is this a new install btw?
[12:53] <crimsun> [nrx_] : please paste /proc/interrupts onto pastebin.ca
[12:53] <omniscient> Pizbit, same deal again
[12:53] <[nrx_] > Pizbit, yes
[12:53] <Pizbit> omniscient: How are you remounting it?
[12:54] <omniscient> I can access it as root, works fine as root. Just for conveniance i'd like to access it as a user
[12:54] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : Is the network and USB working properly?
[12:54] <omniscient> i'm using 'mount /media/shared'
[12:54] <omniscient> and it mounts, but not so a user can access it
[12:54] <[nrx_] > Pizbit, yes
[12:54] <MemnocH> crimsun, thats done
[12:54] <crimsun> MemnocH: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[12:54] <omniscient> (i can mount and umount as a user by the way, i just can't access anything!)
[12:55] <crimsun> MemnocH: choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the emu10k1 driver
[12:55] <crimsun> MemnocH: audigy2, correct?
[12:55] <MemnocH> yup
[12:55] <[nrx_] > crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8308
[12:55] <crimsun> MemnocH: not value or zs or anything...
[12:55] <MemnocH> crimsun, audigy 2 value
[12:56] <crimsun> MemnocH: ok
[12:56] <Dreamer3_> is there more to pugrading than change sources, apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:56] <crimsun> [nrx_] : wait...is this a laptop?
[12:56] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yes.. i said that to you before ;p
[12:56] <cusco> hi
[12:56] <crimsun> [nrx_] : gosh, I missed that
[12:56] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Nah, just change all instantances of warty to hoary; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:57] <[nrx_] > crimsun, lol - sorry
[12:57] <ITAY> hi!
[12:57] <crimsun> [nrx_] : make & model?
[12:57] <cusco> I can't watch some avi files with totem... do I need some sort of codecs or something?
[12:57] <[nrx_] > crimsun, Fujitsu Seimens Amilo D
[12:57] <[nrx_] > crimsun, the older Amilo D
[12:57] <ITAY> I still have problem with the installation disc,
[12:57] <Pizbit> cusco: All you need to know http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:57] <omniscient> Pizbit, I'll ask Google, he'll probably know ;) Thanks anyway mate
[12:57] <cusco> Pizbit: thanks
[12:57] <ITAY> that I don't have with the live C
[12:57] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: and if all hell breaks lose?
[12:57] <ITAY> D
[12:57] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Shit happens, get over it :D
[12:58] <[nrx] > crimsun, http://www-student.informatik.uni-bonn.de/~prokop/amilo-d/amilo-d_en.html#kernel24 <-- is my laptop
[12:58] <crimsun> [nrx_] : hmm, tried booting with acpi_irq_isa=7 ?
[12:58] <Dreamer3_> ah, no warranty? :)
[12:58] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Although IMHO I'd: apt-get -d dist-upgrade then kill off x after it's finished and run without -d
[12:58] <MemnocH> crimsun, alsamixer still fails to load, need to reboot?
[12:58] <crimsun> MemnocH: you haven't done the actual work yet
[12:58] <[nrx_] > crimsun, nope... think it'll work?
[12:59] <crimsun> [nrx_] : worth a try
[12:59] <MemnocH> crimsun, aahh ok :) Ill document this for others then
[12:59] <dex1> crimsun: Attempting to save as /etc/apt/sources.list via 'gedit' to floppy0 brings up error: couldn't save the file "/media/floppy0/sources.list".
[12:59] <crimsun> MemnocH: now, cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver
[12:59] <omniscient> Pizbit: I had to make the umask=0000, is that what you meant by tacking on 000?
[12:59] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i'll give it a go then
[12:59] <omniscient> Pizbit, it's working now :)
[12:59] <Pizbit> omniscient: Nah, but heyyy:)
[01:00] <crimsun> dex1: you probably lack sufficient permissions
[01:00] <omniscient> Heh ok, well thanks anyway
[01:00] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok done that
[01:00] <Pizbit> omniscient: I based it on my: /dev/hdc1    /home/pizbit/vault ext3    defaults,user_xattr     0 0     000
[01:01] <dockane> where do i change the monitor from "standard display" to something usefull like generic1024 ? in gnome ubuntu only offers me 640 on my thinpad t21.
[01:01] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: -d?
[01:01] <crimsun> MemnocH: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[01:01] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Download only mode
[01:01] <dex1> crimsun: so should I try to copy it via the root terminal window somehow then?
[01:01] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: i wonder how many days of downloads it will take :)
[01:01] <crimsun> dex1: hmm, you're just trying to paste it onto pastebin, correct?
[01:02] <kain> Seveas, well, run gstreamer-properties and set alsa as default, don't know why it was reverted to oss, everything is ok now
[01:02] <dex1> crimsun: two different machines. the ubuntu one isn't online - though it has a floppy drive
[01:02] <crimsun> dex1: right
[01:02] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: The idea being, download everything while you can still play around in the gui etc etc etc, then actually install the packages without X and whatnot running
[01:02] <MemnocH> crimsun,  ok done
[01:02] <xaotic> can anyone recommend a good combination of DHCP+DNS+Firewall for home networking use?
[01:02] <crimsun> dex1: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /media/floppy0/.
[01:02] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: yes, i get the idea :) apt-get updates now to see how many MB of downloads it would be
[01:03] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: 'a few'
[01:03] <dockane> xaotic, are you looking for a distribution ?
[01:03] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: a few days or few MB :)
[01:03] <xaotic> dockane: no, just ubuntu packages
[01:03] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Either or :D
[01:03] <MemnocH> crimsun, Install the deb?
[01:03] <Bloody|RLC> where get nfs-servet v.3 or v.4 ???
[01:04] <crimsun> MemnocH: yep
[01:04] <black_nightmare> hey there
[01:04] <crimsun> 'lo
[01:04] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Probably a fair chunk of realllly minor changes to packages heh
[01:04] <dex1> crimsun: "cp: cannot create regular file '/media/floppy0/sources.list': No space left on device". The floppy only has a 45k text on it so has a meg free. :/
[01:05] <black_nightmare> crimsun :p ~ I learned a bit more yesterday night ;)
[01:05] <Bazzi> cannot be worse than 500MB download ;)
[01:05] <black_nightmare> especially using synaptic as well too :)
[01:05] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok done that
[01:05] <dockane> did anybody experience the problem, that ubuntu only offers 640x480 after install ? i still do not know how to solve this
[01:05] <MemnocH> what are the modules I need to put in /etc/modules ?
[01:06] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: just enough to make me redownload a crapload for no reason? :)
[01:06] <black_nightmare> dockane..might be due to the video card not being known/corrupted and or the mointor itself?
[01:06] <black_nightmare> no real idea thou
[01:06] <Bazzi> Dreamer3_: yes.
[01:06] <crimsun> MemnocH: none needed, should pick up automatically.  Try: sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[01:06] <Bazzi> ;)
[01:06] <syn-ack> dockane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (on Warty)
[01:06] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Possibly :)
[01:06] <Dreamer3_> Bazzi: dial-up sucks
[01:06] <Bazzi> Dreamer3_ true.
[01:06] <MemnocH> no response, assume it worked?
[01:06] <crimsun> MemnocH: yep.
[01:06] <Bazzi> especially for linux
[01:06] <dockane> syn-ack, i am on ubuntu with xorg
[01:06] <crimsun> MemnocH: now, alsamixer
[01:06] <syn-ack> dockane: ok
[01:06] <[nrx_] > :/
[01:07] <syn-ack> dockane: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:07] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Work?:)
[01:07] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: huh?
[01:07] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: work is dial-up :)
[01:07] <Pizbit> W.T.F?:)
[01:07] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i can only presume that i've done something wrong during the process of installing alsa... though i got no error messages
[01:07] <crimsun> [nrx_] : ok, let me double-check, since I'm getting sleepy here.
[01:07] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: run a cronjob on it
[01:07] <dockane> black_nightmare, yes xorg.conf has entries with standard display and so on, but every mode entry describes 1024 which is a bit strange
[01:07] <ells> anyone familiar with gtkpod
[01:07] <crimsun> [nrx_] : you were using snd-via82xx or snd-intel8x0 ?
[01:08] <ells> crimsun: hey what is upman
[01:08] <crimsun> ells: nm, yourself?
[01:08] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: it's the most [only]  cutting edge technology firm in town and there is just no high speed here without $$$$
[01:08] <ells> crimsun: pretty good
[01:08] <crimsun> ells: excellent
[01:08] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Buahaha
[01:08] <ells> crimsun: are you familiar with gtkpod
[01:08] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: you'd be surprised how many people can really share a dial-up connection though :)
[01:08] <crimsun> ells: I am not, sorry
[01:08] <WeirdAl> How do I tell Flash to use ALSA?
[01:08] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: 0.001?
[01:09] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: it's pretty amazing it they all don't try to upgrade to hoary at once *laughs*
[01:09] <ells> crimsun: trying to get this thing to sync withmy ipod. already ost music cause it wont
[01:09] <crimsun> WeirdAl: you can tell it to use esd
[01:09] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i was using snd-via82xx
[01:09] <WeirdAl> crimsun: esd isn't active.
[01:09] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Does all of work use Ubuntu now?
[01:09] <WeirdAl> It was lagging and crap.
[01:09] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: so are you loving hoary?
[01:09] <crimsun> WeirdAl: what sound card?
[01:09] <WeirdAl> All my sound problems were solved by disabling esd ... apart from now Flash doesn't work.
[01:09] <WeirdAl> nForce
[01:09] <Pizbit> 'loving' would not be my word of choice, but it's good.
[01:09] <crimsun> WeirdAl: ah, not sure how you could do that then.
[01:09] <ells> crimsun: spoke to soon, it is syncing as we speak
[01:09] <MemnocH> crimsun, thanks seems to be all ok
[01:10] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: hehehe, no just me :)
[01:10] <WeirdAl> oh OK
[01:10] <WeirdAl> :-\
[01:10] <MemnocH> point2play reports its all ok
[01:10] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: was merely an example
[01:10] <syn-ack> Pizbit: For the most part, I would have to say that its a rock. :)
[01:10] <crimsun> MemnocH: so you've unmuted Master, PCM, and the Analog/Digital toggles?
[01:10] <black_nightmare> hmm that reminds me...
[01:10] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: hmmm... you don't love ubuntu like everyone else... we're going to have to excommunicate you
[01:10] <crimsun> MemnocH: and you've set the volumes at sane levels?
[01:10] <black_nightmare> whats the link to ubuntu forum?
[01:10] <dex1> It just won't save it to the floppy. That's all I want to do. Why is this so HARD! :(
[01:10] <Pizbit> syn-ack: *grin* I've screwed around with it so much that I'm going to reinstall when Hoary is released.
[01:10] <syn-ack> Pizbit: Heh.
[01:10] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: *sob* :)
[01:10] <MemnocH> crimsun, unmuted everything, didnt touch the volume
[01:11] <syn-ack> Pizbit: Using the backports, I take it? ;)
[01:11] <Pizbit> syn-ack: In part due to haveing a malformed sources.list for a while
[01:11] <Pizbit> Nah, using Hoary currently
[01:11] <syn-ack> Pizbit: How in the hell did you manage that?
[01:11] <Pizbit> syn-ack: *shrug* 4-5am in the morning....
[01:11] <crimsun> [nrx_] : did you paste your lspci -v onto pastebin?  (Apologies if you did)
[01:11] <[nrx_] > no
[01:11] <syn-ack> Pizbit: heh
[01:12] <[nrx_] > crimsun, shall do so now
[01:12] <crimsun> MemnocH: afaik, you just want to unmute the Analog/Digital toggle, Master, and PCM
[01:12] <Pizbit> syn-ack: Well, I threw in a debian respository when I had meant to uncomment after I'd grabbed a package...
[01:12] <dockane> looks like that the questions on this configure dialogues are not adopted to xorg
[01:12] <syn-ack> Pizbit: um, OUCH
[01:12] <[nrx_] > crimsun, do you just want the section for the sound card?
[01:13] <crimsun> [nrx_] : sure
[01:13] <syn-ack> hrm, I think I should install xorg
[01:13] <Pizbit> syn-ack: Heh, not that bad actuallly, I figured it out when I went to dist-upgrade at one point, the system works fine:D
[01:13] <syn-ack> Pizbit: Good good
[01:13] <syn-ack> YAY! the wiki's down again
[01:13] <MemnocH> crimsun, ok, thank1
[01:13] <Pizbit> black_nightmare: Start from ubuntulinux.org and follow the links since I'm bored.
[01:13] <[nrx_] > crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/8309
[01:14] <crimsun> black_nightmare: it's surprisingly http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:14] <black_nightmare> ty crimsun....I'm quite slow on ram so kinda like to directly go straight to a site online when I need it....for now
[01:14] <black_nightmare> till I can locate a 2nd 128MB stick to put in this motherboard
[01:15] <syn-ack> Pizbit: Have you checked out AR 7 for linux yet? nice...
[01:15] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: 2 minutes until apt-get update completes *laughs*
[01:15] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and that's the only audio-related one?
[01:16] <[nrx_] > well, there's other VIA entries but that's for other onboard stuff
[01:16] <Pizbit> syn-ack: "AR 7" Never heard of it.
[01:16] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: hrm "apt-get update"....*30 seconds later* *DING!* done. :p
[01:16] <syn-ack> Pizbit: Adobe Reader 7
[01:16] <Pizbit> Ahh, nope
[01:16] <black_nightmare> nrx..just curious but you running atx or itx board? :)
[01:17] <[nrx_] > black_nightmare, laptop
[01:17] <syn-ack> Pizbit: They arent using the crappy motif interface anymore.
[01:17] <Pizbit> syn-ack: Yeah, the inquirer had a write up on it
[01:18] <black_nightmare> oh ic...bah :p
[01:18] <black_nightmare> you know..that makes me wondering....
[01:18] <black_nightmare> if I'm the first to think about ubuntu on via epia or not :)
[01:19] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and amixer doesn't return anything resembling mixer status?
[01:19] <[nrx_] > uh, shall i paste the output to pastebin for you?
[01:19] <wfx> black_nightmare, does it not work on it?
[01:20] <wfx> epia is the motherboard right?
[01:20] <crimsun> [nrx_] : if it says something resembling "no control found", then no
[01:20] <black_nightmare> wfx....well I've been wondering about getting one..saw a cheap deal on ebay for a nice 1ghz one
[01:21] <apokryphos> Someone deleted the Wiki frontpage?
[01:21] <crimsun> [nrx_] : but if it spits out a bit of stuff, then yes
[01:21] <[nrx_] > crimsun, no, it's come out with reams and reams of stuff
[01:21] <black_nightmare> haven't been able to locate much yet about whats supported and not yet on these boards
[01:21] <crimsun> [nrx_] : oh excellent!
[01:21] <crimsun> [nrx_] : yes, please paste that to pastebin
[01:21] <crimsun> apokryphos: undergoing maintenance, probably
[01:22] <[nrx_] > crimsun, just wating on pastebin actually posting it heh
[01:22] <apokryphos> crimsun: hopefully ;)
[01:22] <WeirdAl> Hey ... how come I don't have permission to remove or alter ~/.wine?
[01:22] <syn-ack> Man, it would be nice to have the ability to have X reparse the config file without having to restart it.
[01:23] <crimsun> syn-ack: it can.
[01:23] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: check the permissions. ln -la ~
[01:23] <syn-ack> crimsun: oh? How would one go about that?
[01:23] <wfx> depends on the epia model/version
[01:23] <crimsun> syn-ack: kill -SIGUSR2 $(pidof X)
[01:23] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: *ls
[01:23] <oowf> I just started using Hoary Live.. my first experience with Linux and I can't find anyplace to put my password for the email client.  Can someone help?
[01:24] <dockane> reconfigure didn't do it :(
[01:24] <WeirdAl> ah, it's root's.
[01:24] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: how did you install it?
[01:24] <WeirdAl> Hmm ... I must have been root when I installed it.
[01:24] <WeirdAl> O_o
[01:24] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: you shouldn't really be using root at all :P. Sudo suffices.
[01:24] <wfx> black_nightmare, maybe you found this inerresting: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2004/08/28
[01:24] <dex1> Now gedit says that it's saved sources.list to the floppy but when I try to look via file manager at the floppy (Floppy 1:loppy0) I find it's empty. Can anyone help?
[01:25] <black_nightmare> wfx...well...this board is actually kinda borrowing epia in its own design.. it uses via's epia processor and via chipsets but the board design is another company's ... and it supports a 3-pci riser plus has one onboard mini-pci
[01:25] <WeirdAl> Yeah, I know ... I think I was doing loads and typing sudo was annoying.
[01:25] <crimsun> dex1: what did you copy it as?
[01:25] <black_nightmare> and for only $99.99usd bid so far...about four or five days left
[01:25] <no0tic> oowf: try downloading your email, it will probably ask you your password, depending on what client you are using
[01:25] <wfx> black_nightmare, http://www.epiawiki.org/ :)
[01:25] <black_nightmare> ty anyhow wfx
[01:25] <Dreamer3_> i need 448mb, sheesh
[01:25] <oowf> I tried that.. I am just using what came with the CD.
[01:25] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: sudo -s
[01:25] <oowf> It didn't ask.
[01:26] <oowf> Just said it couldn't connect.
[01:26] <black_nightmare> any of you know if its possible to like scan your hardware like try locate what irq/etc a particular unseen-yet card is sitting at?
[01:26] <wfx> black_nightmare, sorry what mean you last post?
[01:26] <WeirdAl> What does sudo -s do?
[01:26] <dex1> crimsun: 'save as' via gedit. I also tried via the root terminal as advised. but that (cp etc/apt/sources.list /media/floppy0/) returned input/output error
[01:26] <crimsun> WeirdAl: root shell
[01:26] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: try it :). It'll make it so that you don't have to keep putting the sudo; just like a root session, but really it's just you, with root permissions.
[01:26] <WeirdAl> That's handy :-)
[01:26] <syn-ack> crypticreign: Well, that wasnt exactly what I was looking for, but it got the job done
[01:26] <syn-ack> crimsun, that is
[01:27] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: Yeah. You really should never ever need the root account. :)
[01:27] <crimsun> dex1: where is your diskette mounted?
[01:28] <crimsun> [nrx_] : please paste to http:llpastebin.com
[01:28] <crimsun> err
[01:28] <crimsun> http://pastebin.com
[01:28] <black_nightmare> hm...anyone?
[01:28] <Dreamer3_> i think i'll just wait for the CD
[01:28] <WeirdAl> Anyone know where I can get arial32.exe, since the server at sourceforge doesn't seem to want to give it to me?
[01:28] <apokryphos> crimsun: always easier to just have the www. instead ;)
[01:28] <syn-ack> crimsun: what that did was basically Ctrl + Alt + BS, not what I was wanting to do..
[01:29] <no0tic> oowf: so the problem is before you can insert your password
[01:29] <dex1> In the /media folder ther're two subfolders  (apart from the cd-rom ones). 1) floppy (turqouise in terminal) and 2) floppy0 (dark blue). when I 'ls' in either of those folders they're empty tho
[01:29] <dex1> sorry that was to crimsun in response
[01:29] <no0tic> oowf: it's on your connection
[01:29] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: if you have packages which are newer than the ones on your system, sure
[01:29] <crimsun> dex1: and ls -a  ?
[01:29] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: so i can dist-upgrade from a hoary CD?
[01:30] <crimsun> syn-ack: erm, that does work... I use it to reread my mouse's config
[01:30] <dex1> crimsun: from /media/floppy? or /floppy0 ?
[01:30] <crimsun> dex1: either
[01:30] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: I dont see why not, though I would take it from the repos since those packages may be newer than the ones on the CD
[01:30] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: what would it take for you to burn and mail me a hoary cd when it's released?
[01:30] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: jigdo
[01:31] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: well, obviously i'd add both the CD and repository
[01:31] <[nrx_] > crimsun, www.nimrodx.net/amixer.txt  - sorry, pastebin has stopped working for me
[01:31] <dex1> from media/floppy, ls - a returns: ". ..". While from /media/floppy0 it shows the same thing
[01:31] <Dreamer3_> jigdo?
[01:32] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: I dont know if Ubuntu has it *yet* but its a Debian thing that does just what you want
[01:32] <Kirus> Does anyone know how to solve that "serial mouse" problem while using the live cd?
[01:32] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: i want someone to burn a cd and mail it to me ;-)
[01:32] <scizzo> Kirus: what serial mouse problem?
[01:32] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: You in the states?
[01:32] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: yes
[01:33] <[nrx_] > crimsun, d'you get that okay?
[01:33] <Kirus> The Kubuntu doesnt recognize my serial mouse. :(
[01:33] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: Where?
[01:33] <crimsun> [nrx_] : lsmod|grep ^snd_via82xx
[01:33] <black_nightmare> wfx I'm not sure where to even click at all on that epiawiki site to check hardware supports?
[01:33] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: indiana
[01:33] <syn-ack> Dreamer3_: /msg
[01:33] <[nrx_] > crimsun, snd_via82xx            25696  0
[01:33] <black_nightmare> :)
[01:33] <Dreamer3_> syn-ack: i downloaded warty over a period of like 5 days :)
[01:33] <crimsun> [nrx_] : great.
[01:34] <[nrx_] > crimsun, oh?
[01:34] <scizzo> Kirus: kubuntu... :P
[01:34] <scizzo> Kirus: ask in #kubuntu
[01:34] <scizzo> Kirus: they might have answers?
[01:34] <apokryphos> scizzo: erm, no. This is an Ubuntu related question; not a KDE one.
[01:34] <WeirdAl> Dreamer3_, you'd probably have been better off getting it delivered to you :-)
[01:34] <scizzo> apokryphos: GAH! he only said kubuntu.. :P
[01:34] <corza> WeirdAl: how do i burn mp3's on k3b?
[01:34] <Echylo> question, I just launched ET by accident, but now my screen is fucked up, but it's busy ripping a cd, can I get my good resolution without restarting gnome?
[01:35] <Echylo> et is a game btw
[01:35] <scizzo> Kirus: does the mouse work at all?
[01:35] <cusco> player-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[01:35] <apokryphos> scizzo: don't be put off by it. ;) Kubuntu is Ubuntu, just with a different default-setup.
[01:35] <cusco> what does this mean?
[01:35] <Kirus> No..  he stands still. at the center of my screen
[01:35] <WeirdAl> Have you updated, cusco?
[01:35] <scizzo> apokryphos: yeah..I know...I was just thinking that maybe if KDE starts something weird....it might screw things up
[01:35] <black_nightmare> also...any of you know whats that small icon left of the date/clock being for?
[01:35] <WeirdAl> sudo apt-get update
[01:36] <apokryphos> scizzo: KDE uses the same X as Gnome...
[01:36] <scizzo> Kirus: sounds like a fun issue
[01:36] <WeirdAl> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:36] <cusco> WeirdAl: yes
[01:36] <[nrx_] > black_nightmare, volume?
[01:36] <cusco> I did
[01:36] <scizzo> Kirus: you can still work with a normal terminal?
[01:36] <apokryphos> Kirus: have you tried reconfiguring yoru x?
[01:36] <WeirdAl> oh :-\
[01:36] <apokryphos> *your
[01:36] <scizzo> Kirus: I mean tty?
[01:36] <WeirdAl> cusco: going to have to let someone else answer that, I'm afraid.
[01:36] <black_nightmare> nrx..it says something like 'there are 56 updates available' ..?
[01:36] <cusco> ok
[01:36] <[nrx_] > black_nightmare, lol, wonder what that could be for then?
[01:36] <cusco> Ill ask again in a couple of minutes
[01:36] <Kirus> Yes...  I even tried a how to.  But i think it needs a full instalation to work
[01:36] <scizzo> apokryphos: yeah but I mean something in the background of KDE
[01:36] <crimsun> [nrx_] : sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx && sudo modprobe snd-via82xx ac97_quirk=1
[01:37] <black_nightmare> nrx okie :p
[01:37] <Kirus> I tried the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" command
[01:37] <apokryphos> scizzo: nah :P
[01:37] <scizzo> apokryphos: gnome has things in the background that can screw up...esd as a good example
[01:37] <scizzo> apokryphos: :)
[01:37] <apokryphos> Kirus: if you're using Kubuntu, then you have xorg, not xfree.
[01:37] <[nrx_] > crimsun, k. done that with no errors
[01:37] <dex1> crimsun: any thoughts on the sources.list file getting onto the floppy? :/
[01:37] <crimsun> [nrx_] : then try playing a wav file with aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[01:37] <apokryphos> Kirus: so, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. You are running Hoary, right?
[01:38] <[nrx_] > any wav files come with ubuntu?
[01:38] <[nrx_] > i aint got any on the machine as yet
[01:38] <crimsun> [nrx_] : any mp3s?
[01:38] <crimsun> or ogg vorbis or flac or ...
[01:38] <[nrx_] > i can get some on
[01:38] <apokryphos> [nrx] : do a locate
[01:38] <apokryphos> I don't think any do.
[01:38] <Kirus> Yes, i think..  :)
[01:38] <crimsun> yes, you have .wavs
[01:38] <crimsun> ubuntu-sounds
[01:38] <apokryphos> Kirus: output of cat /etc/issue?
[01:39] <crimsun> [nrx_] : aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav
[01:39] <apokryphos> weird; I wonder why locate didn't find those.
[01:39] <Kirus> I dont know... I new at this.
[01:39] <crimsun> apokryphos: dpkg -l ubuntu-sounds|grep ^ii
[01:39] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i had to do sudo aplay etcetcetc
[01:39] <Kirus> Im new...
[01:39] <apokryphos> hmm, removing the wildcard doe sit.
[01:40] <crimsun> [nrx_] : why sudo?
[01:40] <[nrx_] > crimsun, and secondly, Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rat e 44100 Hz, Stereo
[01:40] <[nrx_] >  appeared but i hear no sound at all
[01:40] <apokryphos> Kirus: in konsole, type "cat /etc/issue". No problem; we're here to help. :)
[01:40] <m|ni> hi
[01:40] <crimsun> [nrx_] : please check alsamixer and make sure Master and PCM are unmuted
[01:40] <[nrx_] > crimsun, sudo because it said permission denied
[01:40] <black_nightmare> any of you used Software Updates before?
[01:40] <[nrx_] > where do i get that
[01:40] <crimsun> [nrx_] : groups|grep audio
[01:40] <apokryphos> [nrx] : alsamixer
[01:40] <apokryphos> in Terminal
[01:41] <crimsun> dex1: does copying simply not work?
[01:41] <dex1> crimsun: No it will not work
[01:42] <[nrx_] >  Item: Master [Off] 
[01:42] <[nrx_] > how does one turn it on?
[01:42] <crimsun> [nrx_] : press 'm'
[01:42] <dex1> from gedit saving as to floppy0 doesnt work. and from the root terminal with the cp command it just said input output error.
[01:43] <[nrx_] > crimsun, still no sound at all
[01:43] <Dreamer3_> well, 448mb means no upgrade to hoary anytime soon :)
[01:43] <[nrx_] > and i have to sudo everything, too
[01:43] <dex1> I must've been at the install for around 24 hours now. sigh.
[01:43] <black_nightmare> dreamer3 lol...and I'm trying to decide if I should use Software Updates or not :p
[01:43] <crimsun> dex1: heh.  I've been awake for nearly 40.
[01:43] <apokryphos> If you snooze, you lose.
[01:44] <crimsun> [nrx_] : both Master and PCM are unmuted?
[01:44] <dex1> I desperately need to snooze. I just want it to work. Even a little. :p
[01:44] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yes
[01:44] <Dreamer3_> oh well, i'll get it after it's released
[01:44] <UnbuntuBaby> ive got the trickiest question that ive ever posted yet...
[01:44] <crimsun> dex1: argh, just do this:
[01:44] <crimsun> dex1: open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor
[01:44] <UnbuntuBaby> Whithout formatting my drive, how can i log into Ubuntu given that my passwords have become corrupted?
[01:45] <dex1> Done that crimsun
[01:45] <crimsun> dex1: make sure the warty-security lines are uncommented
[01:45] <dex1> in gedit
[01:45] <crimsun> dex1: i.e., no leading '#'
[01:45] <UnbuntuBaby> i.e. how can i reset my root password without having access to any passwords?
[01:45] <Seveas> UnbuntuBaby, why would you want to do that?
[01:45] <Seveas> ow wait, i see :)
[01:45] <UnbuntuBaby> For some reason ive gotten an uncommon password error
[01:46] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: boot from the ubuntu cd and specify the root partition
[01:46] <[nrx_] > crimsun, when i try and toggle volume from gnome, it bounces back to zero, too
[01:46] <UnbuntuBaby> huh? okay progress one sec.....
[01:46] <crimsun> ubuntulog: like: linux root=/dev/hda1 init=/bin/bash
[01:46] <crimsun> argh
[01:46] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: ^^^
[01:46] <UnbuntuBaby> crimsun et. al. hang on there for one sec as i do this...
[01:46] <crimsun> [nrx_] : use alsamixer
[01:47] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i did ... just saying :).. but still nowt
[01:47] <crimsun> [nrx_] : so the mute is automatically re-enabled?
[01:47] <dex1> stupid read only file. grr.
[01:47] <UnbuntuBaby> booting into Ubuntu PowerPC CD now...
[01:48] <[nrx_] > crimsun, no
[01:48] <[nrx_] > crimsun, not in alsamixer.. but in gnome, the little volume icon wont say where you put it
[01:48] <crimsun> [nrx_] : does aplay hang, or does it complete without sound whatsoever?
[01:48] <UnbuntuBaby> just typed expert at the firmware prompt...
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> UnbuntuBaby: It should be UbuntuBaby
[01:48] <[nrx_] > crimsun, it completes with no sound whatsoever
[01:48] <WeirdAl> Someone here know all about wine?
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> :p
[01:48] <WeirdAl> Specifically winetools
[01:48] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: I'd go with ordering the cd, I believe you can have them send you hoary cds when they're out.
[01:49] <WeirdAl> The problem -- when I try to install "HTML Help Update Package" it causes the debugger to start.
[01:50] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: i'm going to try and get a ethernet port at the library maybe
[01:50] <crimsun> [nrx_] : /join #flood and paste output from cat /proc/asound/pcm
[01:50] <crimsun> I'll bbi10 mins
[01:51] <[nrx_] > crimsun, no such file or directory?
[01:51] <[nrx_] > crimsun, spelt it wrong lol
[01:52] <[nrx_] > crimsun, just a one liner... 00-00: VIA 82C686A/B rev50 : VIA 82C686A/B rev50 : playback 1 : capture 1
[01:52] <Dalkus> Happy Easter All! :)
[01:53] <woodywarty> Hi all
[01:53] <dex1> when logging in to the gui, what is the default 'root' password?
[01:53] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG in Evolution?
[01:53] <apokryphos> dex1: there isn't one. Ubuntu uses sudo.
[01:54] <syn-ack> woodywarty: man gpg
[01:54] <syn-ack> woodywarty: then you apply all that you did to Evolution
[01:54] <alterim> anyone know about acx100 driver?
[01:54] <alterim> and wireless setup?
[01:57] <dex1> siiigh. the /etc/apt/sources.list file opens in read only in gedit so I can't edit it. how do i alter permissions on it
[01:58] <[nrx] > open it with sudo
[01:58] <crimsun> dex1: don't, just use sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:58] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell dex1 ubusudo
[01:58] <Pyre> dex1: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:58] <Bazzi> sudo vim!
[01:58] <[nrx] > crimsun, did you get the above
[01:58] <[nrx] > ?
[01:58] <crimsun> [nrx] : yes
[01:58] <[nrx] > crimsun, okay
[01:58] <woodywarty> Which GnuPG key should I use in Evolution ? The public key or the private key
[01:58] <apokryphos> dex1: you can also use Alt + F2 > gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:58] <dex1> bazzi: took me 5 minutes to get out've vim yesterday :p
[01:58] <crimsun> [nrx] : close all sound apps, sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx && sudo modprobe snd-via82xx dxs_support=1
[01:59] <Bazzi> dex1 haha :)
[01:59] <syn-ack> woodywarty: you use the public key id
[01:59] <[nrx] > crimsun, k, done that
[01:59] <crimsun> [nrx] : check alsamixer, unmute Master and PCM, adjust the volumes, try aplay again
[01:59] <UnbuntuBaby> crimsun, you said earlier to reboot from CD and specify the root partition, yeah?
[01:59] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: yes
[01:59] <crimsun> UnbuntuBaby: root=/your/root/partition init=/bin/bash
[02:00] <syn-ack> woodywarty: note that you should send your public key to pgp.mit,edu
[02:00] <syn-ack> rather, pgp.mit.edu
[02:00] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:00] <[nrx_] > crimsun, still nothing.
[02:00] <[nrx_] > crimsun, could this have anything to do with the fact that I have to use sudo for *everything*?
[02:01] <apokryphos> [nrx] : absolutely everything? Someone is certainly going wrong...
[02:01] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what was the result of that groups command I had you execute/
[02:01] <[nrx_] > crimsun, nothing.. no output
[02:01] <zzyber> has someone tried openoffice2 yet? Is it possible to upgrade to 2.0 from ubuntus 1.3?
[02:01] <crimsun> [nrx_] : that's why, your user doesn't have permission to play sounds
[02:01] <apokryphos> zzyber: I tried it, but I don't notice much difference. You should be able to from apt, sure.
[02:01] <woodywarty> The public key does not work in Evolution
[02:01] <crimsun> [nrx] : sudo adduser $USER audio
[02:02] <dex1> crimsun: save-d
[02:02] <crimsun> dex1: warty-security line(s) is(are) uncommented?
[02:02] <[nrx_] > crimsun, mart@enforcer:~$ aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav
[02:02] <[nrx_] > aplay: main:507: audio open error: Permission denied
[02:02] <[nrx_] > mart@enforcer:~$
[02:02] <corza> what program can i burn Audio CD's in?
[02:02] <crimsun> [nrx_] : you have to log out and back in
[02:02] <apokryphos> corza: K3B
[02:02] <corza> i have K3B but it doesnt work
[02:02] <crimsun> [nrx_] : for now, just continue using sudo
[02:02] <corza> it says .mp3 files are unsupported
[02:02] <zzyber> apokryphos, okey i will check it out. I have some printing problems with my hp 920c and i thought maybe 2.0 would fix it
[02:03] <apokryphos> corza: do you have the k3b mp3 file?
[02:03] <crimsun> [nrx_] : sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx && sudo modprobe snd-via82xx dxs_support=2
[02:03] <corza> apokryphos: how do i get that?
[02:03] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell corza ubuk3bmp3
[02:03] <Pyre> corza: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044
[02:03] <dex1> crimsun: Yep. Do I type "sudo apt-get update" [enter]  and "apt-get dist-upgrade" [enter]  in the root terminal now?
[02:03] <[nrx_] > crimsun, done
[02:03] <crimsun> dex1: yes
[02:03] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and?
[02:03] <corza> i done that
[02:03] <corza> it didnt work
[02:04] <Bazzi> in root terminal you dont need sudo o_O
[02:04] <UnbuntuBaby> crimsun: im opting for formatting my hard drive instead, much easier seeing as i have no data of any worth, but im gonna choose to nuke my hard drive with the option of having a seperate home partition. Is this advisable??
[02:04] <dex1> failed to fetch ... all of them it seems.
[02:04] <[nrx_] > still nothing
[02:04] <dex1> @@~@$$
[02:04] <[nrx_] > crimsun, ^^
[02:04] <apokryphos> UnbuntuBaby: Yes, definitely.
[02:04] <crimsun> [nrx_] : are all the volumes up?
[02:04] <Dalkus> dex1, check out ubuntuguide.org
[02:04] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yes
[02:04] <crimsun> [nrx_] : at max?
[02:04] <apokryphos> UnbuntuBaby: Three partitions essentially; one for /, one for /home, and one for SWAP.
[02:05] <UnbuntuBaby> i.e. could I the nuke my Unix system drive later on, then reinstall and specify any home directories yeah?
[02:05] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and your headphones/speakers are plugged in the correct jack?
[02:05] <UnbuntuBaby> cool, thanks apokryphos :)
[02:05] <dex1> The modem is plugged into the phone socket but it obviously isn't dialling out. Not that I'd want to it to make overseas calls. Humph.
[02:05] <apokryphos> UnbuntuBaby: Yes, but you'll have to make the partitions first.
[02:05] <corza> apokryphos: i done that and it didnt work
[02:05] <[nrx_] > crimsun, laptop, remember
[02:05] <wfx> cu later (~5sec.)
[02:05] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i have sound
[02:06] <apokryphos> corza: are you sure? You correctly installed the file there? I haven't tried it myself, but practically everyone there has reported success...
[02:06] <crimsun> [nrx_] : meaning it works?
[02:06] <[nrx_] > yes
[02:06] <crimsun> [nrx_] : great.
[02:07] <gilles> hi
[02:07] <UnbuntuBaby> one sec, im gonna log out, forom now on im gonna have a shorter nick , mmkay?
[02:07] <apokryphos> Alright.
[02:07] <dex1> Dalkus: I've looked at that previously. I looked again just now, but it doesn't shed any more light. It says use apt-get but - that I can see - doesn't mention anything about what to do when the computer doesn't seem to be dialling out and hence failing
[02:07] <dexem> Hi! I'm having troubles with nautilus 2.10 (hoary). I have some nautilus scripts, but environment variables are not correctly set up by nautilus. NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_URIS is correct, but NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS is blank.... any idea about what could be happening?
[02:08] <Dalkus> dex1, what package are you trying to get? Have you enabled the universe and restricted repositories?
[02:08] <[nrx_] > crimsun, will all these settings still be in place when i reboot?
[02:08] <gilles> is there one command in gedit that allow to delete the current line ?
[02:08] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what happened so you could play sounds?
[02:08] <dex1> Dalkus: crimsun told me to uncomment the two warty security ones at the bottom of the sources.list file.
[02:08] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i turned the volumes up to max
[02:08] <Dalkus> Also uncomment the universe and restricted lines
[02:09] <crimsun> [nrx_] : argh.  You should have tried that first!  ;)
[02:09] <jw_ma_ke> hey
[02:09] <Dalkus> (I think uncomment everything). Take another look at ubuntuguide.org - it tells you how to do that
[02:09] <[nrx_] > crimsun, yeah.. my bad :(
[02:09] <Dalkus> then try sudo apt-get install
[02:09] <dex1> I'll uncomment all the URL ones ?
[02:09] <sartek> I'm trying to install ubuntu at a friend's, but he has this weird pc made by his uncle where the HDD's are connected by some weird method. And his dad doesn't let us open up the pc to check. Anyway, during installation it gives the following problems: during partitioning it recognises the HDD and calls it sda for some reason (as far as I know, only my usb-HDD is called sda, all others hd.something). And then it crashes on installing the grub w
[02:09] <sartek> hile the grub is trying to find hd0 or something. I also tried marking a partition as bootable (or something like that :p) in order to make the grub install on the partition. It still tried to install on hd0 and crashed (at 50%). Any suggestions?
[02:09] <[nrx_] > crimsun, however, does this mean that i should be able to play sounds in gnome with music player, etc?
[02:09] <crimsun> [nrx_] : yes, please test
[02:10] <apokryphos> gilles: I don't think so; I tend to just keep Ctrl down while moving left/right with Shift.
[02:10] <[nrx_] > crimsun, well, trying to load volume control comes back with the same error as before
[02:10] <dex1> Daxus: Done. Trying sudo apt-get insyall now.
[02:10] <Dalkus> :)
[02:10] <jc-denton> are there mono packages for "hoary"
[02:10] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what error?
[02:10] <apokryphos> gilles: though, of course, for deleting the whole line, using home/end comes in more handy.
[02:11] <crimsun> jc-denton: yes, they're in universe.
[02:11] <WeirdAl> is there a way of loading the add/remove programs dialogue in wine?
[02:11] <jc-denton> crimsun: where?
[02:11] <Dalkus> Mrph, Xmms has crashed and is now a zombie (kill -9 xmms does nothing) restarting X dosn't fix this... what can i do without restarting my system?
[02:11] <dex1> Couldn't stat source package list several times ... you may want to run apt-get update to correct this problem (which was troed above. :((
[02:11] <[nrx_] > crimsun, "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[02:11] <crimsun> [nrx_] : have you logged out and back in yet?
[02:12] <jc-denton> crimsun: how do i install them?
[02:12] <Dalkus> dex1, what exactly are you trying to do?
[02:12] <jc-denton> i dont find them with apt-cache
[02:12] <crimsun> [nrx_] : remember your user didn't have permission to access those devices until you added them, and for that to take effect, you have to log out and back in
[02:12] <jw_ma_ke> are there any remote shutdown programs for ubuntu that can be used to shut down the machine from a windows computer on the same network?
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> Dalkus: see If there's any other process running xmms
[02:13] <Dalkus> Heh, those are zombies too
[02:13] <crimsun> [nrx_] : in Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector, is Default Audio Sink set to esd?
[02:13] <crimsun> jc-denton: sudo apt-get install mono
[02:14] <[nrx_] > crimsun, where are you getting that menu from?
[02:14] <crimsun> [nrx_] : System menu
[02:14] <jc-denton> crimsun: universe is just unsupported?
[02:14] <black_nightmare> any of you know a bit about vnc?
[02:15] <apokryphos> jc-denton: Officially, yes.
[02:15] <crimsun> jc-denton: packages in universe are unsupported, yes
[02:15] <[nrx_] > crimsun, I uh.. don't have that?
[02:15] <jc-denton> but not more unstable?
[02:15] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what three menus do you have?
[02:15] <WeirdAl> [nrx_] , are you on warty? Also, why are you here twice?
[02:15] <crimsun> (I'm not in front of a Warty machine)
[02:16] <apokryphos> jc-denton: it depends. I haven't had any problems with any of the packages in Universe; only ever had broken dependencies a few times.
[02:16] <WeirdAl> warty has apps and computer
[02:16] <[nrx_] > crimsun, "Applications" "Computer"
[02:16] <crimsun> Computer>Preferences>Multimedia ...
[02:16] <alterim> can someone tell me what is the best wireless router for use with linux?
[02:16] <jc-denton> so a bit more broken..
[02:16] <[nrx_] > crimsun, lol.. don't have that either
[02:16] <jc-denton> like debian unstable?
[02:17] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what's in Computer?
[02:17] <black_nightmare> I was wondering if there's anything for ubuntu that is like a vnc viewer that watches for a particular vnc server to come on?  (likewise in windows day with realvnc I would start up realvnc-viewer in waiting mode on my computer then start up the remote computer and as soon as it had loaded mine computer immedately starts a session
[02:17] <[nrx_] > crimsun, desktop preferences and system configuration
[02:17] <apokryphos> jc-denton: Not sure what that's like. If the dependencies are broken, you'll know before you've downloaded.
[02:17] <black_nightmare> not so sure how to actually explain it but hope that helps ^
[02:17] <dex1> Dalkus: Well... the twofold problems were display related.  Support for my chipset was removed in v4 of XFree86. Apparently. So we set it as vesa. Then when the GUI started up a dialog displayed: 'error activating XKB configuration, probably X server problem'.  the lspci -v went up onto pastebin but the sources list and other file I forget I couldn't even get onto the floppy (from the ubuntu pc) to display online. Floppies wouln't mount. Hmm. Crimsun could 
[02:17] <crimsun> [nrx_] : System Configuration
[02:17] <javiolo> Hi
[02:17] <apokryphos> jc-denton: Like I said, this is a *very* rare occurence.
[02:17] <Mitario> hm, does anyone know what  Failed to acquire org.bluez.PinAgent service: Connection ":1.19" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez.PinAgent" due to security policies in the configuration file
[02:17] <Mitario>  means?
[02:17] <[nrx_] > crimsun, under system configuration, there's no options for multimedia or anything like that
[02:17] <Mitario> i'm trying to start bluez-pin
[02:17] <falcon3> got some probs installing msttcorefonts
[02:17] <falcon3> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:17] <falcon3>   msttcorefonts: Depends: cabextract (>= 0.1-2) but it is not installableE: Broken packages
[02:18] <javiolo> Militario do you use BLuez ?
[02:18] <jc-denton> apokryphos: k
[02:18] <crimsun> falcon3: both multiverse and universe repos need to be enabled
[02:18] <dex1> Dalkus: Did that make sense?
[02:18] <Mitario> javiolo, yes
[02:18] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i have "Device Manager, Login Screen Setup, Networking, printing, screen resolution, synaptic, time, users"
[02:18] <Dalkus> dex1, hmm sorry,  your problem seems out of my reach - i know little of that area :) paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a private message to me
[02:19] <Ubabe> back :)
[02:19] <crimsun> [nrx_] : and Desktop Preferences?
[02:19] <javiolo> can you help me? Im having problems with it
[02:19] <falcon3> crimsun: i added a multiverse thingy
[02:19] <Mitario> javiolo, yeah, me too :p
[02:19] <crimsun> falcon3: did you add universe, too?
[02:19] <dex1> Also it was to be a dual boot system but it destroyed the Windows partition so in the end I reinstalled anew.
[02:19] <[nrx_] > crimsun, there is a "sound" applet
[02:19] <Ubabe> anyone have any clue about Installing Ubuntu on a PowerPC machine?
[02:19] <falcon3> crimsun: isnt that standard? :x
[02:19] <crimsun> falcon3: no
[02:19] <crimsun> falcon3: main restricted  <-- standard
[02:19] <Ubabe> im being prompted on which Kernel to install
[02:19] <[nrx_] > crimsun, with options "Enable sound server at startup" and "enable system bell"
[02:20] <dex1> Dalkus: I'll type it out by hand, since I can't get the floppy to work :/ (there're two PCs, this one is online and the Ubuntu one isn't).
[02:20] <black_nightmare> ubabe ~ I dunno if this is a good morning to ask at all....I've asked many questions to no answer as well anyhow ;)
[02:20] <crimsun> [nrx_] : ok, open a Terminal and execute gstreamer-properties
[02:20] <Dalkus> dex1, waiiit. You need an internet connection to use apt-get....
[02:20] <Ubabe> thanks anyway black_nightmare :)
[02:20] <javiolo> Militario Cant work rfcomm
[02:20] <apokryphos> falcon3: I just installed it fine here, so either you have a different sources.list, you haven't updated, or there's something else blocking it on your system.
[02:20] <apokryphos> falcon3: you're on Hoary, right?
[02:20] <crimsun> falcon3: enable universe, refresh, then install msttcorefonts
[02:21] <[nrx_] > crimsun, okay.. menu's up
[02:21] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what's the setting for Audio Sink?
[02:21] <[nrx_] > crimsun, esdlink
[02:21] <[nrx_] > or esdsink, even
[02:21] <crimsun> [nrx_] : what happens when you click Test?
[02:21] <[nrx_] > crimsun, i get a really annoying noise ;p
[02:22] <crimsun> [nrx_] : good.  That's what's supposed to happen.
[02:22] <falcon3> apokryphos: can u dcc me your sources.list?
[02:22] <dex1> Dalkus: Mmm, but it (the other PC) has an internal modem and that's plugged into the phone point. I tried on the first install (didn't get as far as a GUI]  with plugging the DSL USB modem into it from this new machine too but it didn't seem to detect anything. Nor did it suggest I enter any tel # at any point
[02:22] <apokryphos> falcon3: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
[02:22] <[nrx_] > crimsun, so, just a log out and back in again and all should be well?
[02:22] <crimsun> [nrx_] : ok, sound's working.  Not sure why Volume Control is not cooperating, but I really need some rest.  Sorry.
[02:22] <apokryphos> falcon3: note that mine are for Hoary, though. You on Hoary?
[02:22] <[nrx_] > crimsun, that's okay.. thank you very much for all your help.. it's much appreciated
[02:22] <falcon3> hoary preview
[02:23] <Dalkus> dex1, hrmh I have no experience in that area, keep asking around about that. Thats your problem. You need an internet connection to use apt
[02:23] <dex1> ok
[02:23] <funky> crimsun is a great person =)
[02:23] <jc-denton> by the way i think that the new ubuntu preview is the first distro that recognized most hardware of my laptop properly
[02:23] <falcon3> apokryphos: got hoary preview
[02:23] <Dalkus> Sorry :)
[02:23] <jc-denton> screen resolution, touchpad, wlan
[02:23] <black_nightmare> jc-denton...nice :p  [wish I could really say that for myself but then....still its no big pain anyhow] 
[02:23] <[nrx_] > time to test stuff :
[02:23] <[nrx_] > :)
[02:25] <black_nightmare> just wondering but.....how difficult is it to download a program as a source tarball? [hoary preview] 
[02:25] <black_nightmare> there's one I would like and its not even on the synoptic at all so ;)
[02:26] <falcon3> apokryphos: i got hoary yes, send it over ;)
[02:26] <Dalkus> black_nightmare, its confusing if your not used to it... but its something you'll need to learn how to do :)
[02:26] <apokryphos> falcon3: erm.. I did. Look up ^^
[02:26] <Dalkus> at first, it's sort of hit and miss.... but if you learn about it you'll be confident in no time
[02:26] <black_nightmare> dalkus -- lol so in a word: not easy for first timers??
[02:26] <Dalkus> Definatly
[02:26] <Dalkus> Try it out, nothing bad can happen :)
[02:26] <falcon3> apokryphos: havent seen any dcc stuff
[02:27] <black_nightmare> ughh.....well this program does have an alternative linux download but its rpm :|
[02:27] <Dalkus> source downloads normally come with a INSTALL or README file. Its a very good idea to read both if they are there (cat INSTALL or cat README)
[02:27] <black_nightmare> only option is the source tarball it seem
[02:27] <apokryphos> falcon3: I gave you the link ;)
[02:27] <apokryphos> falcon3: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
[02:27] <Dalkus> try it out, black_nightmare
[02:27] <falcon3> :)
[02:27] <falcon3> thx
[02:27] <black_nightmare> dalkus...ok if I download this to the desktop...how do I open a *.tar.gz file?
[02:27] <Dalkus> open a terminal, go to your desktop folder
[02:28] <Dalkus> then i suggest moving it to a better folder... like /home/your-username
[02:28] <jw_ma_ke> are there any remote shutdown programs for ubuntu that can be used to shut down the machine from a windows computer on the same network?
[02:28] <black_nightmare> one second let me download the tarball now :)
[02:28] <alterim> hey whats the difference between debian and rpm?
[02:28] <jw_ma_ke> could i use jslaunch to do that?
[02:28] <Dalkus> then do "tar xvzf filename" replace filename with the file
[02:28] <Dalkus> then it'll extract all the files for you
[02:29] <black_nightmare> how do I go to my desktop in terminal???
[02:29] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:30] <rem> ..?
[02:30] <Dalkus> applications>system tools>terminal
[02:30] <Dalkus> (top left corner of your screen)
[02:30] <black_nightmare> no lol read the question above again :)
[02:30] <rem> "/home/user/.desktop" ..?
[02:30] <jw_ma_ke> doesnt he mean 'cd /home/user/Desktop'?
[02:30] <black_nightmare> hm ty rem..let me see if that works
[02:30] <Dalkus> nonono
[02:30] <Dalkus> cd Desktop
[02:30] <Dalkus> black_nightmare, you *really* need to learn some linux commands
[02:31] <black_nightmare> oh ok ty dalkus..got it now
[02:31] <Dalkus> then i suggest you do "mv file ../"
[02:31] <Dalkus> then do cd..
[02:31] <rem> ..its Desktop
[02:31] <jw_ma_ke> is it possible to be able to connect to a ubuntu machine via VNC without logging in on the Ubuntu computer?
[02:31] <rem> k
[02:31] <black_nightmare> whats 'mv' for?
[02:31] <scizzo> black_nightmare: mv == move
[02:31] <Dalkus> black_nightmare, yeah - its a process everybody that migrates to linux finds hard, but you need to learn how to use the terminal
[02:32] <Dalkus> ortherwise you'll be lost :)
[02:32] <Dalkus> ill find you a guide if you like?
[02:32] <Dalkus> mv means move file
[02:32] <djp> hi all. anyone have any idea why i receive the following error message when i run vrms? ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #355! pkg=[emacsen-common] , pkgstatus=[install ok installed] , section=[] ?
[02:32] <Dalkus> you *really* need to know the basics... seriously.
[02:32] <scizzo> black_nightmare: if you are looking for help with a certain command...do either: cmd --help or man cmd
[02:32] <scizzo> black_nightmare: where cmd is the command you want info about
[02:32] <black_nightmare> lol..well nah I downloaded the linux help documentions from synoptic before [was looking at the list of documents to download anyhow]  ... I'll have to figure giving it a read some day
[02:32] <jw_ma_ke> is it possible to be able to connect to a ubuntu machine via VNC without logging in on the Ubuntu computer?
[02:33] <Dalkus> black_nightmare, check this site out: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/
[02:33] <Dalkus> that tought me the basics back when I started using linux
[02:33] <scizzo> black_nightmare: also...you can use: info cmd or whatis mv
[02:33] <Dalkus> read a few pages a day and you'll know what your doing in no time
[02:33] <scizzo> black_nightmare: GAH I mean cmd... :P
[02:33] <Dreamer3_> man menus seem faster in glib2.6
[02:33] <black_nightmare> dalkus mileage varies with different people thou :p
[02:33] <Dalkus> Yep, to be honest i never finished reading it
[02:33] <rem> ..is it possible to get user/pass to a webmail from squid log
[02:33] <rem> ?
[02:33] <Dalkus> heh
[02:33] <Dalkus> go at your own page
[02:33] <Dalkus> gotta go
[02:34] <jw_ma_ke> is it possible to be able to connect to a ubuntu machine via VNC without logging in on the Ubuntu computer?
[02:34] <Dreamer3_> rem: no, why would you want to do that?
[02:34] <black_nightmare> scizzo....I sometimes have problem with knowing when to or not to use various shorthanded commands... likewise I try do 'cls' in dos that of course errors out to me...lol
[02:34] <rem> lost a password...its saved though..i tried ethereal, but it didnt show up ..
[02:34] <djp> anyone here run vrms?
[02:34] <black_nightmare> have to use 'clear'
[02:34] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:35] <Dreamer3_> rem: don't lose your passwords
[02:35] <rem> lol
[02:35] <rem> hmm..ill think abozut that one ..
[02:35] <rem> thanx for your valuable help ..
[02:35] <rem> :D
[02:35] <scizzo> black_nightmare: cls is a short command actually...in bash it is clear...
[02:35] <jw_ma_ke> is it possible to be able to connect to a ubuntu machine via VNC without logging in on the Ubuntu computer?
[02:35] <scizzo> black_nightmare: cls if I am not incorrect means clear screen or something
[02:36] <black_nightmare> scizzo..well yeah but dos doesn't understand both shorthand and normal at same time for some commands
[02:36] <scizzo> black_nightmare: do the following once....: cl and then press tab
[02:36] <black_nightmare> likewise it understands 'clear' but not 'cls' duh
[02:36] <scizzo> black_nightmare: if you don't get a result the first tab try tabbing again
[02:36] <scizzo> black_nightmare: you can create alias...but why not use Ctrl+L instead?
[02:36] <scizzo> :)
[02:37] <jw_ma_ke> can people actually hear me at all??
[02:37] <ubuntoid> jw_ma_ke:  Aye
[02:38] <jw_ma_ke> lol
[02:38] <djp> vrms reports the following error when i run it, ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #355! pkg=[emacsen-common] , pkgstatus=[install ok installed] , section=[] . It appears to be working fine as I receive the following message after the error, No non-free packages installed on pingu!  rms would be proud.
[02:38] <jw_ma_ke> is it possilbe to VNC into a ubuntu machine without having already logged onto it, allowing you to log in via the VNC session?
[02:40] <Dreamer3_> jw_ma_ke: sure, if you set it up that way
[02:41] <Jimbob> jw_ma_ke: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/xvnc.1.html
[02:41] <black_nightmare> scizzo think you could explain this to me in a bit of plain english..........
[02:41] <jw_ma_ke> thanks, ill take a look
[02:41] <black_nightmare> You need X11R6 and a "make" utility with the VPATH feature (e.g. GNU make).
[02:41] <black_nightmare>   For serial, ethernet and audio support, you need pthreads. To use the GUI
[02:41] <black_nightmare>   preferences editor, you also need GTK+ version 1.2 or better. On Linux, you
[02:41] <black_nightmare>   need glibc 2.0 or better.
[02:41] <black_nightmare> ops....damn..stupid line breaks
[02:42] <black_nightmare> I know that I have GTK+ and its purpose but..the rest is a tad clueless to me
[02:42] <Dreamer3_> black_nightmare: what are you trying to build?
[02:42] <Dreamer3_> black_nightmare: if it's worth using there is prolly a debian package already built :)
[02:42] <black_nightmare> dreamer... well...I don't even see it at all in synoptic so....
[02:43] <black_nightmare> its BasilikII anyhow..I already downloaded the source tarball and reading the install text file now
[02:43] <dex1> Q) Is Fedora (the other distro on the cover CD I had) likely to have better hardware support than Ubuntu ?
[02:43] <Dreamer3_> dex1: dunno, it's the same kernel... what hardware are we talking?
[02:43] <syn-ack> dex1: It really doesnt matter
[02:44] <wfx> i know on the ubuntu website is a page with developer information (glib-gettext = package xy) but i cant remeber/find it.
[02:45] <Ubabe> is apokryphos int eh house?
[02:45] <dex1> The one I'm trying to install it on is an older PC. So, Presario 4506, S3 Trio gfx card, 48megs memr'y, massive 4gb hd [woo ;)] . The gfx card for one wouldn't work. it doesn't seem to take any notice of the internal modem so apt-get is no use. etc
[02:45] <Ubabe> ie. is you about?
[02:45] <djp> anyone else here maintaining a completely 'free software' ubuntu install?
[02:45] <wfx> ogra, hi, is a long time ago as i see you ;-)
[02:45] <black_nightmare> brb for a minute sorry
[02:46] <shmoolik> ppl have u seen the new Adobe Acrobat reader?
[02:46] <shmoolik> its kick ass
[02:47] <djp> anyone else here maintaining a completely 'free software' ubuntu install?
[02:47] <dex1> I mean, don't get me wrong; although new to Linux I like to think of myself as vaguely sentient. Some HTML/XML skills, fairly in-depth knowledge of PC internals, worked in software testing for software development companies etc. But my Ubuntu experience has been going on 2 days, I've been at it all night and... no offence meant if there are any devs here but it's the most harrowing experience one could undertake. For me at least. :D
[02:48] <djp> dex1: what problems?
[02:49] <nic> hi. I've a problem with my digital cam. When I plug it in, its detected and automounted, but it's read only, so I can't manage my pictures. I've no idea how to configure that.
[02:49] <WeirdAl> Someone help with my partitions? I'll explain :
[02:50] <WeirdAl> I resized my NTFS partition and moved my swap partition across so that it's on the end of that. Now I have my NTFS and swap in an extended partition, somehow, and then some free space and my root partition.
[02:50] <dex1> djp: Initially, it destroyed the win partition so dual-boot idea was scrapped :) and I just installed Ubuntu then I got unsupported s3 cards, seemingly unmountable drives, undetected modems, Xserver errors of vague description...
[02:50] <WeirdAl> I want my root partition to fill the free space, but I can't seem to move it.
[02:50] <nic> I've to add a line in fstab ? or is there another way to configure it ? its gnome-volume-manage I believe
[02:51] <wfx> where do i find "glib-gettext"
[02:51] <black_nightmare> back
[02:52] <[nrx_] > is mp3 support not native?
[02:53] <Amaranth> [nrx] : mp3 support isn't legal so it's not included by default
[02:53] <dex1> djp: Apart from that my experience has been singularly delightful. ;)
[02:53] <nic> [nrx] , not native ?
[02:53] <WeirdAl> Not legal? No way.
[02:53] <Amaranth> [nrx_] : iirc it's in universe, enable that and apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[02:53] <nic> it isnt free
[02:53] <Amaranth> WeirdAl: Not legal. Patent issues.
[02:53] <Ubabe> im doing a reinstall of my LinuxPPC Ubuntu system, with 3 different partitions
[02:53] <WeirdAl> Patents suck :-(
[02:53] <WeirdAl> Does that mean wine isn't legal either?
[02:53] <[nrx_] > Amaranth, how do i do that?
[02:54] <Amaranth> WINE isn't covered by any patents, afaik
[02:54] <Amaranth> And you can't copyright an API.
[02:54] <WeirdAl> Ah.
[02:54] <Ubabe> ...if the / partition decides to screw up again (of if i screw it up) either way what do I do to get a new system to point to my old /home partitions?
[02:55] <black_nightmare> anyone know where to find pthreads?  I only could find kaffe-pthreads on synoptic so far
[02:55] <Amaranth> black_nightmare: err, what did you need it for?
[02:55] <WeirdAl> Anyone know how I can stretch my root partition to the left?
[02:56] <jw_ma_ke> so... i just tried what was suggested on the link http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/xvnc.1.html
[02:56] <jw_ma_ke> but it still will not let me connect with realVNC - connection refused
[02:56] <jw_ma_ke> !
[02:56] <django> hey ya all, what kernel does ubuntu use by default?
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> Ubabe: during setup just name your partition and mountpoint.
[02:56] <black_nightmare> amaranth....seem that this emulator needs pthreads for ethernet support
[02:56] <djp> anyone else here maintaining a completely 'free software' ubuntu install?
[02:56] <black_nightmare> emulator program that is
[02:56] <django> hey ya all, what kernel does ubuntu use by default?
[02:56] <black_nightmare> mjr..can I say something that would surprise you a LOT more?
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> Ubabe: I have 2 ubuntu installs (amd64 and i386) both use the same /home partition.
[02:57] <black_nightmare> mjr hm?
[02:57] <jw_ma_ke> sorry, i cant remember who suggested the http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/xvnc.1.html link...who was it?
[02:57] <mjr> black_nightmare, shoot
[02:58] <Chand> hi
[02:58] <Ubabe> LeeJuanFan: but say if one of those 2 root partitions decides to fart and die, like mine did
[02:58] <mjr> black_nightmare, by the way, pthreads are part of libc
[02:58] <Ubabe> ...how do i get a new reinstalled root partition to point back to the previous /home partitions?
[02:58] <black_nightmare> mjr .. well in europe someone is trying to get a stupid patent law...says that even someone can patent "left mouse click" and so on
[02:58] <black_nightmare> its all BULLsh*t
[02:59] <black_nightmare> hope it does not pass at all
[02:59] <Amaranth> [nrx_] : sorry for the late response, look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:59] <WeirdAl> Yeah, we're on the way to major suckiness soon.
[02:59] <WeirdAl> Unless it gets blocked.
[02:59] <black_nightmare> mjr..oh ok so if I have libc I should have pthreads then?
[02:59] <mjr> black_nightmare, well, not quite that bad but almost, and I know, I live here
[02:59] <jw_ma_ke> anyone able to help?
[02:59] <mjr> black_nightmare, yes
[02:59] <black_nightmare> ty..let me check for libc.....
[02:59] <mjr> of course, you want the dev package too, should come with build-essential
[03:01] <wfx> please where do i find "lib-gettext" ?
[03:01] <DrGonzo_iXi> how do i set up PPPoE????????????????????????????????
[03:01] <black_nightmare> I got libc6 and libc6-dev and libc6-i686
[03:01] <black_nightmare> so that means pthread is loaded for sure?
[03:02] <javiolo> anyone use bluez ?
[03:03] <black_nightmare> mjr...ok here's another one..text file says I need X11R6 ....a search for 'X11' on synaptic and it seem that I already have libx11-6 ... would that be it or not quite?
[03:03] <ruffian> Just a quick question: My apt-get isn't asking for confirmation anymore, when i do apt-get Install name
[03:03] <theine> type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY edleff
[03:03] <WeirdAl> :-D
[03:04] <WeirdAl> You might want to change your password now
[03:04] <theine> damn
[03:04] <Curalton> ruffian: it asks if more than the package you specified has to be installed, when just the one package is there it will proceed
[03:04] <ruffian> Curalton: I see. Thank you
[03:04] <cusco> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:04] <cusco>   race: Depends: race-data (>= 0.7.0-5) but it is not installable
[03:06] <wfx> cusco, maybe an apt-get update helps (i have 0.7.0-10)
[03:07] <cusco> wfx: it doesn't help
[03:07] <cusco> well
[03:07] <cusco> I did apt-get update
[03:07] <cusco> several times already
[03:07] <cusco> :|
[03:07] <Baptiste> Good afternoon
[03:08] <Baptiste> I need some help (I'm French)
[03:08] <cusco> shoot
[03:08] <Baptiste> I don't succeed to install ubuntu hoary
[03:08] <Baptiste> :-D
[03:09] <Baptiste> Whe the installation of the base-system begins
[03:09] <ruffian> what was the error message?
[03:09] <Baptiste> When
[03:09] <Baptiste> it is
[03:09] <Baptiste> the installators has not succeeded to install ubunu-base
[03:09] <Baptiste> ubuntu-base
[03:10] <ruffian> did you check the iso?
[03:10] <Baptiste> yes
[03:10] <ruffian> how did you check it/?
[03:10] <Baptiste> i checked it two times and it seems correct
[03:10] <Baptiste> however
[03:10] <wfx> cusco, do you have any www link for this game
[03:10] <ruffian> ?
[03:10] <Baptiste> when the cd checks the cd
[03:11] <Baptiste> he indicates me that the iso is not correct
[03:11] <ruffian> Then you have a problem
[03:11] <Baptiste> yes
[03:11] <Baptiste> I am downloading it another time
[03:11] <Baptiste> it is the third time I download the iso
[03:11] <ruffian> yep and after you download it, check the iso before you burn it
[03:12] <Baptiste> yes
[03:12] <Baptiste> ok
[03:12] <ruffian> are you running windows now?
[03:12] <Baptiste> yes
[03:12] <ruffian> hang on i will give you the site
[03:12] <wfx> cusco, i found some package at ftp://sliepen.warande.net/pub/race/
[03:12] <Baptiste> ok
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> Ubabe: you still there?
[03:13] <Baptiste> hum
[03:13] <Baptiste> ruffian
[03:13] <ruffian> Baptiste: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html - Do exactly what it tells you...but for the ubuntu iso
[03:13] <Baptiste> ok
[03:13] <Baptiste> thanks
[03:13] <ruffian> after you do that, it would show you a serial of number
[03:13] <Baptiste> is it possible to chose the video card that will be used by ubuntu?
[03:13] <Baptiste> ok
[03:13] <Baptiste> yes
[03:14] <Baptiste> I will have to compare this
[03:14] <ruffian> make sure you check it against the MD5SUMS file, where you download it from
[03:14] <Baptiste> ok
[03:14] <Baptiste> thank you
[03:14] <ruffian> Baptiste: You can choose the videocard after the installation
[03:14] <Baptiste> ok
[03:14] <ruffian> Baptiste: Hang on i will find you the site
[03:15] <Baptiste> I can't
[03:15] <cuk> hello, i have quite a weird problem, i use a real crappy wireless cdma modem, i boot into ubuntu, run pppd, nothing happens, the log says, "connct script failed", then i reboot into windose, connect, disconnect, reboot into linux, and pppd works...
[03:15] <Baptiste> I'm dowloading the iso
[03:15] <thingy> cuk, sounds like your modem needs to get initialised and windows is managing to do it but linux isnt
[03:15] <wfx> cusco, i have install it and the game works with hoary (maybe this is youre prob)
[03:15] <ruffian> Baptiste: The tells you how to install your video card - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:16] <ruffian> Just do it after the installation
[03:16] <thingy> cuk, did you google around for "linux your_modem" ?
[03:16] <Baptiste> ok
[03:16] <Baptiste> wiyh
[03:16] <Baptiste> with
[03:16] <cuk> sure thing
[03:16] <cuk> but nothing came up
[03:16] <Baptiste> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:16] <thingy> cuk, ok priv. msg me your modem details
[03:16] <ruffian> yep
[03:16] <Baptiste> tanks for all!
[03:16] <wfx> im need lib-gettext.... snif and i cant find the website with the info wich package it have
[03:16] <thingy> cuk, I'll have a peek at the problem
[03:16] <cuk> i only found some people who have the same problem but no solution
[03:16] <ruffian> Baptiste: No worries
[03:16] <cuk> gtran cdma modem
[03:17] <Baptiste> hum
[03:17] <dockane> installed ubuntu from dvd on a ibm thinkpad t21. the only resolution i can choose in gnome is 640x480. i did a reconfigure for xorg and tried to add all resolutions i need to xorg.conf but still only 640x480. my laptop works fine with live distributions like knoppix . any idea ?
[03:17] <Baptiste> I know that it's possible to download ooo 2 with apt
[03:17] <cuk> :/home/martin # lsusb
[03:17] <cuk> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:17] <cuk> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:17] <cuk> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05c6:3196 Qualcomm, Inc. CDMA Wireless Modem
[03:17] <cuk> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:17] <cuk> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:18] <thingy> dont flood please
[03:18] <cuk> sorry
[03:18] <Baptiste> when I did this I saw that there did not exist any french language file
[03:18] <ruffian> Baptiste: What ooo?
[03:18] <thingy> i said priv. msg me...then you can flood
[03:18] <Baptiste> Open Office org
[03:18] <Baptiste> :-D
[03:19] <jw_ma_ke> is there anyway of automatically running an sh script in ubuntu from a windows machine?
[03:19] <ruffian> Baptiste: Openoffice.org should be installed during the installation
[03:19] <Baptiste> ok
[03:19] <ruffian> Baptiste: But you will have to update it ofcourse with apt-ge t:)
[03:19] <Baptiste> ok thanks
[03:20] <jw_ma_ke> does anyone know if thats possible?
[03:20] <jw_ma_ke> what i really want to do is shutdown the ubuntu machine from my windows desktop automatically
[03:20] <Chipzz> dockane: you're using the wrong x driver
[03:20] <ruffian> Baptiste: No worries
[03:20] <LeeJunFan> where do mplayer codecs get installed? Been a while (/usr/lib/win32?)
[03:21] <Chipzz> dockane: or, your screen's hsync and vsync are wrong
[03:21] <Baptiste> I think so
[03:21] <Baptiste> in /usr/lib
[03:21] <Baptiste> or /usr/share
[03:21] <ruffian> jw_ma_ke: Can't you login remotely, and do shutdown?
[03:21] <Baptiste> under mandrake it is installed in /usr/lib/
[03:22] <jw_ma_ke> i could do, but i want it to be automated
[03:22] <Baptiste> I've to go.
[03:22] <Baptiste> Thank youy for all!
[03:22] <jw_ma_ke> as it needs shutting down once a backup has completed
[03:22] <Baptiste> Good bye!
[03:22] <Chipzz> Baptiste: /usr/share/ dosn't make sense according to the fhs
[03:22] <Baptiste> ok
[03:22] <ruffian> Jw_ma_ke: I am not good with sh, sorry
[03:23] <Pizbit> mplayer doesn't install any codecs itself does it? I thought it just used existing codecs, unless of course by mplayer you mean the w32codecs package...
[03:23] <jw_ma_ke> ruffian: can you think of any other way of doing it?
[03:23] <jw_ma_ke> or where would be a good place to look re. remote execution of sh?
[03:23] <Pizbit> jw_ma_ke: Put at the end of the backup script the shutdown command?
[03:23] <theine> /usr/lib/win32
[03:23] <ruffian> jw_ma_ke: google?
[03:24] <jw_ma_ke> hahaha already tried
[03:24] <dockane> Chipzz, this sync problem sounds interestin. i think i should try this first. where do i change that ? i found it with google for x86config but not for xorg
[03:24] <jw_ma_ke> pizbit: the backup script is run from windows - rsync daemon runs on ubuntu
[03:24] <jw_ma_ke> pizbit: would there be anyway of appending a shut down command within the rsync daemon??
[03:25] <theine> jw_ma_ke: write a batch script that logs onto the ubuntu machine via ssh and issues the shutdown command
[03:25] <jw_ma_ke> theine: how would i go about doing that?
[03:25] <djp> for anybody interested the problem i have been having with vrms reporting an error with regards emacsen-common, it can be resolved by editing /var/lib/dpkg/status. find the entry for emacsen-common, add a Section entry with the value editors and a Priority section with the value optional. vrms will now not give an error message!
[03:25] <Chipzz> dockane: check your HorizSync and VertRefresh in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:25] <dockane> Chipzz, already looked into it, there is no entry like this
[03:25] <Chipzz> dockane: but reading the X log in /var/log will help you more I guess
[03:26] <theine> jw_ma_ke: go to http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[03:26] <theine> jw_ma_ke: you can do that with Plink I think
[03:27] <dockane> Chipzz, i just added the both lines but after that i had to recover my xorg.conf
[03:27] <jw_ma_ke> theine: what is Plink?
[03:27] <theine> jw_ma_ke: ever heard of putty?
[03:27] <theine> jw_ma_ke: ever used ssh?
[03:27] <jw_ma_ke> i have heard of it but am pretty new to linux and ubuntu! never used ssh
[03:28] <Chipzz> dockane: you should read the man page for the exact syntax
[03:28] <jw_ma_ke> ah plink looks hopegul
[03:28] <jw_ma_ke> *hopeful
[03:28] <theine> jw_ma_ke: well, i think you should do some reading about ssh
[03:28] <jw_ma_ke> ok, thanks will do
[03:28] <Chipzz> dockane: but please DO check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:28] <Chipzz> that will help you more
[03:28] <theine> jw_ma_ke: But in the end you will be able to do it with Plink...
[03:29] <black_nightmare> any of you know if libx11-dev would be worthy downloading in case? (I already got libx11-6
[03:29] <theine> jw_ma_ke: I'm fairly sure
[03:29] <dockane> action check var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:29] <black_nightmare> just wondering
[03:29] <jw_ma_ke> by default is a ssh daemon already running in ubuntu?
[03:29] <Chipzz> jw_ma_ke: no
[03:30] <jw_ma_ke> chipzz: is it already within init.d?
[03:30] <KarlosII> jw_ma_ke, I hope not
[03:30] <Chipzz> jw_ma_ke: it isn't even installed by default
[03:30] <theine> jw_ma_ke: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:30] <Chipzz> theine: that wont help
[03:30] <theine> Chipzz: why not?
[03:31] <Chipzz> because, unlike in debian, the client and the server are 2 seperate packages
[03:31] <jw_ma_ke> i had actually already installed it, so thats already there
[03:31] <theine> Chipzz: yes, but the ssh package depends on both of them
[03:31] <Pizbit> Chipzz: Why does it say "Description: Secure shell client and server (transitional package).." then?:)
[03:31] <Chipzz> only the client is installed by default, and the server package is not called ssh
[03:32] <jw_ma_ke> so in order to use plink, what do i need to setup on the Ubuntu machine?
[03:32] <theine> Chipzz: ssh is a meta-package that depends on ssh-server
[03:32] <Pizbit> Depends: openssh-client, openssh-server
[03:32] <Chipzz> what you really want is apt-get install openssh-server
[03:32] <theine> Chipzz: dood... ssh will do it, no matter what YOU believe...
[03:32] <Chipzz> what do you need a transitional package for?
[03:33] <Chipzz> transitional means just that, but whatever
[03:33] <Baptiste> I come back with a supposition
[03:33] <Pizbit> Chipzz: To act as a meta package to give you both?
[03:33] <Baptiste> I found this
[03:33] <jw_ma_ke> do i need to install putty on the Ubuntu machine or is that windows only?
[03:33] <Baptiste> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7536
[03:33] <theine> jw_ma_ke: that's windows only
[03:33] <Baptiste> about my installation problem
[03:33] <Pizbit> Chipzz: Since it depends on client/server, you got both installed when you install the ssh package
[03:33] <theine> jw_ma_ke: there might even be a linux version but you won't need that
[03:34] <jw_ma_ke> right, so how do i set up the ssh server?
[03:34] <theine> jw_ma_ke: sudo apt-get install ssh OR sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:35] <jw_ma_ke> yep, done that and its installed
[03:35] <dockane> Chipzz, checked the X.0.log and there a lot warnings about "h sync out of range" and "exceeds panel dimension". a "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" just displays the filecontent but no manpage
[03:35] <jw_ma_ke> so sudo update-rc.d ?
[03:35] <EddieX> Why dont i get a nvidia kernel module for my 2.6.8-5-k7 kernel ? Or can i just make a symbolic link?
[03:35] <jw_ma_ke> what run levels should i do for ssh? just S?
[03:36] <theine> jw_me_ke: open up a terminal and type 'ssh localhost'
[03:36] <dockane> Chipzz, where do i force / setup h and v sync values ?
[03:36] <jw_ma_ke> "the authenticity of localhost cant be established"
[03:36] <Pizbit> jw_ma_ke: Installing the ssh server sets it up for you, might want to tweak the config if you really want:)
[03:36] <theine> jw_me_ke: that's ok, type yes
[03:37] <jw_ma_ke> ok thats done
[03:37] <theine> jw_me_ke: so the ssh-server seems to be workin
[03:37] <jw_ma_ke> so now i should be able to just use plink?
[03:38] <Yomic> Would anyone happen to know of a good linux themed wallpaper site? (With holiday themes too, preferably ;)
[03:38] <theine> jw_me_ke: first you should download putty.exe on your windows machine and try to log onto your ubuntu machine
[03:38] <Yomic> Btw: Happy Easter.
[03:38] <theine> jw_me_ke: if that works, you can try auytomating the whole thing using Plink.exre
[03:38] <airox> main
[03:38] <airox> moin even ..
[03:39] <narg> hrm... went from sid to hoary, and it worked fine, except I keep getting this error:
[03:39] <Pizbit> Yomic: kde-look.org gnome-look.org art.gnome.org (Don't know about holiday themes)
[03:39] <narg> Setting up xfree86-common (6.8.2-5.1) ...
[03:39] <narg> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/xfree86-common exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[03:39] <narg> dpkg: error processing xfree86-common (--configure):
[03:39] <narg>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:39] <narg> dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[03:39] <narg> Aborted
[03:39] <Yomic> Thanks Pizbit ;)
[03:39] <Pizbit> narg: Please don't spam us.
[03:39] <narg> is 4 lines really spam?
[03:39] <Pizbit> Learn how to count too:P
[03:39] <jw_ma_ke> wahey logged onto Ubuntu machine through plink
[03:40] <narg> pft, it was 4 lines in terminal.
[03:40] <Pizbit> But we're not looking at your terminal are we?:)
[03:40] <jw_ma_ke> what is the shutdown command through terminal?
[03:40] <Pizbit> www.pastebin.com
[03:40] <theine> jw_me_ke: shutdown -h now
[03:40] <Pizbit> jw_ma_ke: shutdown -h now (man shutdown)
[03:40] <jw_ma_ke> thanks
[03:40] <Yomic> reboot I think
[03:40] <Yomic> Something along those lines.
[03:41] <wfx> in wihc package is glib-gettextize included
[03:41] <Pizbit> Yomic: Now now, rebooting isn't the same as shuting down:D
[03:41] <Yomic> ;(
[03:41] <Pizbit> KarlosII: What, someone asked a question? *grin*
[03:41] <KarlosII> ...
[03:41] <theine> there's also 'halt'...
[03:41] <KarlosII> heh
[03:42] <Yomic> jw_ma_ke: Why not just shut-down from the GUI?
[03:42] <jw_ma_ke> so will the ssh server automatically load up now on boot up?
[03:42] <theine> Yomic: he want's to do it remotely
[03:42] <jw_ma_ke> yomic: as it is an automated task
[03:42] <Pizbit> Yomic: Because he's accessing ubunti via ssh and setting up X forwarding or vnc is just absurd for what he wants.
[03:42] <Yomic> Ah.
[03:42] <Baptiste> Goodbye
[03:42] <theine> jw_me_ke: yes, it will
[03:42] <Pizbit> Although vnc has it's used
[03:43] <KarlosII> Pizbit, doesn't gnome have a remote desktop manager already?
[03:43] <jw_ma_ke> i have just set up vnc properly now too - very useful
[03:43] <jw_ma_ke> in fact i am using vnc to do all this ont he ubuntu machine now
[03:43] <Yomic> Google: linux shutdown terminal
[03:43] <Yomic> ;)
[03:43] <theine> jw_me_ke: pretty cool
[03:43] <Pizbit> KarlosII: Yeah, forgot about that, probably a half dozen other ways to get remote access to ubuntu with a gui:)
[03:44] <KarlosII> lol wonder which is best
[03:44] <Yomic> Isn't there also a tool/command to search the man pages too?
[03:44] <Yomic> Mabey combined with grep?
[03:44] <KarlosII> heh
[03:44] <Pizbit> Yomic: Within 'man blah' ? Hit '?"
[03:45] <Pizbit> Or \ heh
[03:45] <Yomic> I see. ;P
[03:45] <Pizbit> Er, / *grumble*
[03:45] <Pizbit> KarlosII: I somehow wound up with a orange-chocolate easter eggs this year too :D
[03:46] <KarlosII> hahaha
[03:46] <syamajala> anyone know where i can find the amd64 patches?
[03:46] <Pizbit> syamajala: For...?:)
[03:46] <syamajala> glib
[03:46] <jw_ma_ke> thanks for all of your help!
[03:46] <jw_ma_ke> im off
[03:47] <[nrx_] > Amaranth?
[03:47] <Amaranth> [nrx_] : ?
[03:47] <Amaranth> [nrx_] : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:47] <Pizbit> KarlosII: The gnome remote desktop works well too, just got to remember to read the text beside the box that allows someone to control your desktop:)
[03:47] <syamajala>  Pizbit i'm trying to port another distro to amd64 and the debian amd64 patches have been working so far but they don't seem to have many patches for things that need x
[03:47] <hgoesm> i have a problem with install external .deb packages! i cannot install with "dpkg -i packagenam.deb" can somebody help me?
[03:48] <[nrx_] > Amaranth, been trying to get the gtstreamer0.8-mad installed, but i've put the universe repository in and i still can't get it
[03:48] <Pizbit> hgoesm: Are you root?
[03:48] <KarlosII> Pizbit, I don't know much about that one
[03:48] <zenwhen> Whats a good WYSIWYG html editor for linux?
[03:48] <[nrx_] > Amaranth, what's it actually called?
[03:48] <Amaranth> [nrx_] : Read that site.
[03:48] <[nrx_] > Amaranth, i have
[03:48] <Amaranth> Then I have no clue.
[03:48] <membreya> zenrox: amaya
[03:49] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : What're you looking for?
[03:49] <[nrx_] > gtstreamer0.8-mad
[03:49] <hgoesm> i am root or sudo. both the same
[03:50] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : Ya mean gstreamer0.8-mad ?:)
[03:50] <[nrx_] > Pizbit, that's the one ;p
[03:50] <Pizbit> It's in universe
[03:50] <hgoesm> do somebody use bitdefender antivirus under ubuntu?
[03:51] <[nrx_] > Pizbit, yes, and i've added that to my source.list.. but what am i actually looking for?
[03:51] <syn-ack> AV on Linux, thats funny.
[03:51] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : Well, that package?:)
[03:51] <[nrx_] > "E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:51] <[nrx_] > "
[03:51] <Pizbit> [nrx_] : Did you apt-get update ?:)_
[03:51] <[nrx_] > yes
[03:51] <[nrx_] > hold on
[03:52] <[nrx_] > wrong fucking box
[03:52] <[nrx_] > er
[03:52] <[nrx_] > language ;p
[03:52] <[nrx_] > ;p
[03:52] <Pizbit> Nothing personal you have to understand.
[03:52] <[nrx_] > that's the first time i've sworn in ere so hush
[03:52] <[nrx_] > ;p
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> [nrx] : haha - not just me! I like when I do an ifconfig eth0 down on a remote server thru ssh by accident :(
[03:53] <[nrx_] > LeeJunFan, yeah, something like that lol
[03:53] <Pizbit> Note, messaging me allows me to be a rude as I like. :P
[03:53] <pw> Gentlefolk. Do I have a volunteer with lots of memory and a fast internet connection, running Hoary, to test something for me?
[03:54] <syn-ack> pw: what do you consider a lot of RAM?
[03:54] <pw> I'm seeing huge memory leaks in gnome-panel every time I install/uninstall things.
[03:54] <pw> syn-ack: ~1GB
[03:54] <pw> I've just made gnome-panel use 700MB.
[03:54] <syn-ack> I have 1.5 gig
[03:54] <Pizbit> lol
[03:54] <oguler> trkce bilen varm.
[03:54] <topyli> how to show desktop icons for ftp servers?
[03:54] <pw> So, here's the test case: Open system monitor and point it at the gnome-panel process.
[03:54] <Pizbit> ogra: Don't suppose you know english?
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> I thought gnome used LESS mem than KDE :)
[03:55] <pw> Watch the memory usage as you install a large package, say, "kde".
[03:55] <ogra> Pizbit, why ?
[03:55] <onkarshinde> Anyone tried Skype on Ubuntu? How does it work? What libraries are needed?
[03:55] <Pizbit> ogra: Wrong nick completion, my bad:)
[03:55] <ogra> heh
[03:55] <pw> I installed, removed, installed, removed and purged KDE, and that alone sent the memory usage to 200MB.
[03:55] <pw> So there's a bug somewhere.
[03:55] <Pizbit> onkarshinde: I just grabbed the static build and it worked:)
[03:55] <Pizbit> oguler: Don't suppose you speak english?:)
[03:56] <black_nightmare> oguler...ogra = same two first letters :p
[03:56] <pw> But before I file the bug I'd really like it if someone with an appropriate setup could run through what I did and see if they get the same result.
[03:56] <[nrx_] > "fork: could not allocate memory"
[03:56] <onkarshinde> Pizbit: Cool. Did you ever tried deb package?
[03:56] <[nrx_] > :o
[03:56] <Pizbit> black_nightmare: Nope, they aren't, but they look similar:D
[03:56] <pw> [nrx_] : That's what alerted me to the fact that all my memory was gone.
[03:56] <Pizbit> oo
[03:56] <Pizbit> or maybe they are, doh, didn't notice them part
[03:56] <[nrx_] > my whole machine seems to go laggy as hell after a while
[03:57] <Pizbit> onkarshinde: Nah, I don't use it much due to skype being a PITA:)
[03:57] <onkarshinde> Pizbit: What is PITA?
[03:57] <Pizbit> onkarshinde: Pain In The A, basically becuase I had to select the Mic input for voice, but I record stuff off tv that uses Line-In:)
[03:58] <Guilmon> Sun might be showing to what looks like a formation of a backbone
[03:58] <Guilmon> first they release solaris open source, next they change SCSL to another license
[03:58] <black_nightmare> any of you used 'GNU make' in here?
[03:58] <Guilmon> I wish they would release java open source :)
[03:58] <onkarshinde> Pizbit: Okay. But how was overall experience about audio quality, connectivity?
[03:58] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: sorry, I don't use a make utility which sucks ;)
[03:58] <Pizbit> Oh, that was fine:)
[03:58] <black_nightmare> guilmon well - its not exactly full java but you should search for Kaffe for now..its opensource
[03:59] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: kaffe is very incomplete
[03:59] <black_nightmare> guilmon...well I'm looking at a readme for source and it says I'll need Make
[03:59] <black_nightmare> I noticed gnu make on synaptic
[03:59] <onkarshinde> Pizbit: Anything better than Skype (and not a PITA;))?
[03:59] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: ahhhh...
[03:59] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: you usually just type make, but what is your question?
[03:59] <Pizbit> onkarshinde: Well, it was only a PITA because of needing to remember to toggle which device was set as the 'record' device:)
[04:00] <Pizbit> onkarshinde: Else it's a lousy UI but it works.
[04:00] <black_nightmare> guilmon...not much..just was wondering if anyone had used it too or not...but guess thats a stupid question :p
[04:00] <ruffian> Hi, Is there a way to check for new hardware? I am trying to install my usb scanner
[04:00] <black_nightmare> *marks another download to make from synaptic*
[04:00] <onkarshinde> Pizbit: Thanks for info.
[04:01] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: heh, everybody has used it
[04:01] <black_nightmare> ok ok whatever
[04:01] <black_nightmare> :)
[04:03] <black_nightmare> guilmon do you know about X11?
[04:03] <aquarius> The dictionaries-common package contains /usr/share/dict/words, a symlink to /etc/dictionaries-common/words, but the latter file isn't there. Is there a word dictionary anywhere? packages.debian.org doesn't seem to contain /etc/dictionaries-common/words in any package.
[04:04] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: very much, yes..
[04:05] <black_nightmare> well guilmon the source readme says I need X11R6 and when I check synaptic it says I already have libx11-6 .. that pretty much should be it?  (I noticed there's a libx11-dev but dunno if thats needed too?)
[04:06] <Pizbit> black_nightmare: If you're compiling something from source and it depends on say blah, you will need to install the blah-dev package
[04:06] <KarlosII> oops
[04:06] <Seveas> aquarius, the words file is in the language packs
[04:06] <KarlosII> CPU[AMD Athlon XP 2500+ clocked at 1830.268 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 i686]   Up[-1day-]   Mem[-832.402/1012.12MB-]   HDD[-142GB(24%used)-]   Procs[-99-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1] 
[04:06] <Seveas> aquarius, there is a bug in bugzilla about this
[04:06] <onkarshinde> What packages are needed on to get XFCE working on Ubuntu?
[04:06] <aquarius> Seveas, ah, OK.
[04:06] <Ubabe> woohoo! I have connection to the Internet! :D
[04:06] <black_nightmare> pizbit...hmm well I don't see a X11R6 but I'm assuming that libx11-6 is simply the same (the '6' number)
[04:06] <black_nightmare> or am I wrong?
[04:06] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: you need the -dev package
[04:07] <black_nightmare> ok..thats one more download to do...
[04:07] <Seveas> Ubabe, no you don't it's just your imagination :)
[04:07] <black_nightmare> libx11-dev added
[04:07] <Pizbit> black_nightmare: If it doesn't work, you look for something similar:D
[04:07] <theine> onkarshide: you'll see it if you issue 'sudo apt-get install xfce4'
[04:08] <onkarshinde> Thanks
[04:08] <black_nightmare> ok libx11-6 and related added... gnustep make added.....
[04:08] <theine> onkarshide: you need to enable the universe repository
[04:08] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: it contains the headers
[04:08] <onkarshinde> theine: I think I need to add -f before install
[04:08] <black_nightmare> pizbit.. do you know specifically which libc6 would have pthreads in it?
[04:09] <Pizbit> black_nightmare: Nope
[04:09] <aquarius> Seveas, looks like the dict file is in wbritish...
[04:09] <theine> onkarshide: maybe... but most probably not
[04:09] <black_nightmare> hmm ok...at least libc6 and libc6-dev are already on hd
[04:09] <black_nightmare> hope that works
[04:10] <Pizbit> Cyas
[04:10] <black_nightmare> bye then pizbit
[04:10] <black_nightmare> guilmon do you know about GTK+?
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> does evolution support hotmail?
[04:11] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, no, you need hotwayd for that
[04:11] <Dr_Acemaster> no chit
[04:11] <Dr_Acemaster> ok
[04:11] <Seveas> with that you can read hotmail from every client
[04:11] <Seveas> (also evo)
[04:11] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh
[04:11] <Ubabe> Seveas: its true dude! :D
[04:11] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: I do.
[04:11] <onkarshinde> Dr_Acemaster: AFAIK no email client supports hotmail exept MS Outlook and OE
[04:11] <Seveas> Ubabe, well, congratiolations then :)
[04:12] <Ubabe> i hath a connection, downloading updates from security.ubuntu.com as we chat :)
[04:12] <Ubabe> hehe
[04:12] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: you don't have to ask questoins. If its computers,  I know it.
[04:12] <airox> I just love the update manager :)
[04:12] <Dr_Acemaster> so where do I find hotwayd?
[04:12] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: I'm more experienced, thought out, and researched more than your average PhD ;)
[04:12] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: just ask away
[04:13] <Seveas> Guilmon, then tell me how I can patch glibc's dyamic loader in such a way that it supports user-transparent checkpoints without kernel interference and with TLS enabled
[04:13] <Guilmon> Seveas: if you are using multiple patches which might conflict, you need to hand code the patches in.
[04:13] <black_nightmare> you're quite amusing guilmon
[04:13] <dtudosie> hi everybody
[04:13] <Seveas> Guilmon, that's not the question
[04:13] <[nrx_] > hm
[04:14] <Guilmon> Seveas: yes
[04:14] <Seveas> nope
[04:14] <Guilmon> Seveas: you hand patch the patches ;)
[04:14] <onkarshinde> Good day everybody. I am going.
[04:14] <Seveas> the question is: how to create this functionality
[04:14] <Guilmon> Seveas: I assume you had trouble patching
[04:14] <Seveas> there exist no such patches
[04:14] <Guilmon> Seveas: oh, heh. cute ;)
[04:14] <black_nightmare> guilmon ok.... the readme says I need GTK+ 1.2 or better but when I check synaptic there's a lot of gtk2-engines-xxxx and not all are selected that I'm wondering what I actually need
[04:14] <Seveas> Guilmon, so stop bragging or answer this...
[04:15] <dtudosie> hewooo... anybody in-here ?
[04:15] <black_nightmare> readme doesn't say any more than that gtk+ 1.2 is needed
[04:15] <Seveas> dtudosie, nope
[04:15] <black_nightmare> or I probably should just leave this alone?
[04:15] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: if it says gtk1.2 or better, make sure it allowed gtk2. gtk2 interface is different from 1.2
[04:15] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: there are files already installed, or I thought. but not for -dev
[04:16] <black_nightmare> well it says "GTK+ 1.2 or better" already....so I'm thinking 2.0 will do?
[04:16] <Dr_Acemaster> is there a compiled hotwayd already for ubuntu?
[04:16] <dtudosie> Seveas: yeah.. something with my connection... sorry
[04:16] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: maybe not.
[04:16] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, yes
[04:16] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, it will
[04:16] <Seveas> in the 'hotway' package
[04:17] <black_nightmare> well gtk2-engines-dev is not selected...should I download that too in case?
[04:17] <kbrooks> Guilmon, it will
[04:17] <kbrooks> yes
[04:17] <Guilmon> kbrooks: you've tried the application hes trying to compile?
[04:17] <Dr_Acemaster> can I use apt-get hotwayd?
[04:17] <black_nightmare> heh it selected several other things it wanted to install too :p
[04:17] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install hotway
[04:17] <Seveas> that should work
[04:17] <Dr_Acemaster> thanks, still a novice here :)
[04:18] <alterim> hello
[04:18] <alterim> can someone tell me the best way to share files between linux and xp on a dual boot machine?
[04:18] <black_nightmare> guilmon you mind pm for a second?  I got a 4-line text to paste
[04:18] <alterim> someone mentioned a fat32 partition..?
[04:19] <Guilmon> black_nightmare: I don't mind
[04:19] <alterim> can someone tell me the best way to share files between linux and xp on a dual boot machine?
[04:19] <Seveas> alterim, either a fat32 partition or a usb stick
[04:19] <Dr_Acemaster> so now that I have hotway installed, it should just show up in evolution?
[04:20] <kbrooks> alterim, fat32 partition
[04:20] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, no, you will have to configure it first
[04:20] <Seveas> i don't know how though, so read the manual :)
[04:20] <Dr_Acemaster> ok will do
[04:22] <Guilmon> Seveas: there are plenty of chkpt libraries out there, I haven't tried TLS with them personally.
[04:22] <dtudosie> I have an issue related to reading the ink-level for epson printers and I'm not sure if it is ubuntu specific or not... so anybody managed to read the ink-level for an epson printer inubuntu (hoary)
[04:22] <Seveas> Guilmon, that's the problem
[04:23] <Seveas> all user level ckpts are obsolete
[04:23] <Seveas> none understand tls
[04:23] <Guilmon> Seveas: I figured so.
[04:23] <Guilmon> Seveas: so its a "nobody wants to write it" issue
[04:23] <Seveas> so if you know how to implement it, i'd love to hear it
[04:23] <Seveas> I want to write it as part of my grid-wide checkpoint project
[04:23] <Guilmon> Seveas: I would like to know to out of curiosity
[04:24] <Seveas> but I have no clues on where to start
[04:24] <Guilmon> Seveas: oh? where are you studying?
[04:24] <Guilmon> Seveas: you can start by forking an existing project and piecing it together ;)
[04:24] <Guilmon> http://www.science.uva.nl/research/scs/Software/ckpt/
[04:24] <Seveas> Guilmon, THAT is my project :)
[04:24] <Guilmon> Seveas: oh :o
[04:24] <Seveas> but what you see there is dated :)
[04:25] <Seveas> I have been developing v 2.2
[04:25] <Seveas> so know you know where I work :)
[04:25] <Guilmon> Seveas: hmmm..
[04:26] <gilles> The xserver on hoary only works with depth 16 and 640x480 on an Acer Travelmate 230, I'm losing hope to make it work, can someone help me ?
[04:26] <Guilmon> Seveas: I'm giong to allocate some cycles for thought of this in a bit :)
[04:26] <Seveas> Guilmon, if you really are interested, keep an eye on dynamite.sourceforge.net (still empty, but will upload soon)
[04:27] <Guilmon> Seveas: its computer-related, you bet I'm interested
[04:27] <Seveas> lol
[04:27] <dockane> gilles, i am currently working on the same problem with my thinpad t21
[04:27] <Seveas> there's a whole lot of stuff that is computer related :)
[04:27] <Guilmon> Seveas: yes there is, but you just need to pick out the trash.
[04:28] <gilles> dockane: we have to keep in touch then...
[04:28] <Seveas> Currently working on parallel simulations of heat/diffusion functions
[04:28] <gilles> dockane: it seems that it's because of xorg
[04:28] <Seveas> (masters course on scientific computing, exam in 2 days)
[04:28] <dockane> yes i am currently editing the xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[04:28] <Guilmon> Seveas: there are lots of large open source projects which are trash because they don't lead up to the other projects because of it was split for the reasons of testosterone ;)
[04:28] <gilles> dockane: because it works on xfree
[04:28] <Guilmon> Seveas: nice.
[04:29] <Seveas> yeah, a lot of developers are too testosterony
[04:29] <dockane> gilles, maybe check your /var/log/X11.0.log (similiar)
[04:29] <dockane> gilles, i ll reboot and test it. or  is there a way to restart x wihout killing programms runnning ?
[04:30] <Seveas> dockane, not really, everything you started while you were in X will be killed
[04:30] <dockane> Seveas, i see thnx
[04:31] <Guilmon> its a pity the best Toolki(QT) costs so much for proprietary use :(
[04:31] <WeirdAl> Has anyone joined in the past hour who can tell me how to configure the Flash plugin for Firefox so that it uses ALSA?
[04:31] <Bazzi> Guilmon how do you think could it become so good?
[04:32] <Guilmon> Bazzi: payed developers :)
[04:32] <Guilmon> *paid
[04:32] <Bazzi> yeah paid by propriatary use ;)
[04:32] <kbrooks> oh sheesh
[04:32] <Guilmon> Bazzi: couldn't they just sell something for 5000USD each? ;)
[04:32] <Seveas> Guilmon, that says NOTHING at all :)
[04:32] <Guilmon> Seveas: what says nothin?
[04:32] <Seveas> the best software is created by volunteers, not by paid people :)
[04:33] <Ubabe> heres aqn that some ppl mightn't have asked
[04:33] <Guilmon> Seveas: well Qt has had volunteers ;)
[04:33] <Seveas> hehe
[04:33] <Guilmon> Seveas: trolltech is releasing a GPL version for windows in Qt4 :)
[04:33] <WeirdAl> Also, how do I get xaim to work with my irman?
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[04:34] <Ubabe> ...Ubuntu for Power PC, is there a strictly LinuxPower PC resource for Ubuntu users, for those that don't happen to use an X86 processor?
[04:34] <kbrooks> ^^^^^^^^^
[04:34] <Ubabe> like a Mac users resource for Unbuntu users?
[04:34] <Seveas> what do you mean with "resource"?
[04:35] <Curalton> mac -> linux migration guide?
[04:35] <Guilmon> I think I might start using java for certain programs since Sun is showing a backbone :)
[04:35] <Ubabe> like a channel like this one, where most of its users use macs and not PC's
[04:35] <Ubabe> im an op for a Macintosh chat channel, and some of them use Unix/Linux you see.
 i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot
[04:35] <paulswm> ^^^
[04:35] <Seveas> Ubabe, there is no #ubunto-ppc afaik
[04:36] <Ubabe> Curalton: more like a #UbuntuMac type of channel or web site resource
[04:36] <Ubabe> Seveas, thats what I thought
[04:36] <kbrooks> paulswm, dont post stuff from the past
[04:36] <dockane> now this resolution problem start to pi** me off
[04:36] <Curalton> indeed, /msg chanserv list *ubuntu*  doesnt show a ppc channel
[04:36] <airox> paulswm: hehehe
[04:36] <paulswm> airox: he said that yesterday in #debian
[04:36] <Ubabe> My goal is to get a decent distribution of Linux onto my server here at home, i.e to do away with Mac OSX server
[04:37] <kbrooks> paulswm, EOF
[04:37] <airox> paulswm: typo ?
[04:37] <Ubabe> ...so far Ubuntu seems to be the only user friendly one ive used.
[04:37] <paulswm> airox: No, he believed it
[04:37] <kbrooks> paulswm, EOF
[04:37] <kbrooks> paulswm, EOF
[04:37] <xerox> Hmm, how to watch a .mov under ubuntu?
[04:37] <Curalton> Ubabe: heh, dont know how well it handles servertasks
[04:37] <blueyed> Is the bug with Synaptic known where an added custom repository does not appear until you start the packet manager dialog again?
[04:37] <dockane> who was the guy with the travelmate resolution problem
[04:38] <WeirdAl> Also I need to know how to resize an ext3 partition without PartitionMagic.
[04:38] <Ubabe> Curalton: how well Ubuntu serves server tasks? or how well OSX Server serves server tasks?
[04:38] <[nrx] > Seveas, up for the ndis problem again later? :)
[04:38] <airox> WeirdAl: parted can do this afaik.
[04:38] <WeirdAl> QTParted can't ....
[04:38] <Curalton> Ubabe: dont know, you can have everything debian has, but then you probably have to edit stuff on the commandline again
[04:38] <Seveas> [nrx] , no not really, I'm having ndiswrapper problems with the hoary kernel too :/
[04:38] <WeirdAl> Is parted something different?
[04:38] <[nrx] > Seveas, i be warty
[04:38] <Curalton> Ubabe: and there goes your "ease of use"
[04:38] <Ubabe> aha
[04:38] <airox> WeirdAl: don't know.
[04:39] <dragonbyte> I am getting a ton of egg_desktop_entries errors from dpkg, anyone know wtf this is?
[04:39] <Ubabe> yeah, user friendly wise i see your point, but my goal is to know command line well enough you see :)
[04:39] <airox> WeirdAl: did you umount'ed it ?
[04:39] <Curalton> Ubabe: ah, well then maybe start with sarge-ppc-netinstall.iso
[04:39] <Seveas> [nrx] , well ok then :)
[04:39] <[nrx] > Seveas, :P
[04:39] <Ubabe> well ive started with Ubuntu PPC for a spare Power PC laptop i have here at home.
[04:40] <WeirdAl> No, I booted from it.
[04:40] <Curalton> Ubabe: then you dont have to mix the "clean" ubuntu repository with debian stuff for the server. or maybe check the "universe" repositories
[04:40] <Harpi> hi everybody
[04:40] <Harpi> can someone help me
[04:40] <Harpi> ??
[04:40] <michael> yes maybe
[04:40] <[nrx] > Harpi, if you tell us your problem, perhaps.
[04:40] <thotypous> hi
[04:40] <Seveas> dragonbyte, i get these things too, they seem pretty harmless
[04:40] <thotypous> i'm running XDirectFB on Ubuntu! yeah! =)
[04:40] <WeirdAl> airox -- maybe it's because I can't resize the partition that I'm currently using as root?
[04:40] <dragonbyte> Seveas: they had been for a long time, but they broke bluefish now
[04:40] <Seveas> ai
[04:41] <dragonbyte> Seveas: causes dpkg to fail
[04:41] <airox> WeirdAl: doh...
[04:41] <Harpi> i d like to install ubuntu on a dedicated parttion but i don't know the formating system i should use
[04:41] <WeirdAl> airox: Is that likely?
[04:41] <Seveas> dragonbyte, file a bug against dpkg then
[04:41] <airox> WeirdAl: Use knoppix or some similar livecd to boot and then resize.
[04:41] <WeirdAl> Yeah I thought of this too.
[04:41] <airox> WeirdAl: You can't resize a partition when you have it mounted.
[04:41] <dragonbyte> Seveas: it looks like its a really common issue
[04:41] <airox> Wouldn't be wise I mean.
[04:41] <WeirdAl> Aha
[04:41] <Harpi> do anyone understand ??
[04:41] <dragonbyte> Seveas: cant seem to find anything that actually nails down what causes it
[04:42] <airox> Harpi: You mean, using ext3, reiser or ext2 ?
[04:42] <Harpi> yes or fat 32
[04:42] <WeirdAl> Harpi -- ext3
[04:42] <Harpi> because i hace already done a format in fat 32
[04:42] <airox> It's all up to you to decide.
[04:42] <paulswm> airox: Anyway, the moral of the clip is to be careful from whom you take advice :)
[04:42] <Harpi> how can i do it??
[04:42] <WeirdAl> Also have a small partition (about 1GB) as Linux swap.
[04:42] <airox> Harpi: fat32 isn't wise.
[04:43] <kbrooks> Harpi, fat32 won't fit on any linux root partition
[04:43] <Harpi> i know
[04:43] <WeirdAl> When you install Ubuntu it will give you a partition.
[04:43] <WeirdAl> er
[04:43] <kbrooks> "fit"*
[04:43] <WeirdAl> It will give you a partitioner
[04:43] <airox> paulswm: yeah. Would be nice to see my /var/www with dozens of hours of work be removed :)
[04:43] <gilles> i have got the following error msg when running startx: screen(s) found, but non have a usable configuration. What can I do ?
[04:43] <Seveas> lol airox :)
[04:43] <Harpi> however i have another problem
[04:43] <WeirdAl> Harpi, when you boot from the CD you will be given the option to automatically configure free space for Linux.
[04:43] <airox> Harpi: Use ext3 would be my advice to.
[04:43] <kbrooks> airox and paulswm: EOF
[04:43] <Seveas> /var/lock an /var/run are cleaned
[04:44] <Seveas> fortunately /var isn't :)
[04:44] <Harpi> does it mean that i should make format before ?
[04:44] <kbrooks> Seveas, you drop it, too.
[04:44] <Seveas> kbrooks, drop what?
[04:44] <Seveas> and since when are you operator?
[04:44] <kbrooks> this stupid argument
[04:44] <httpdss> is there a way to know how long it took my system to boot ? (other than using a clock :P)
[04:44] <Seveas> kbrooks, this isn't an argument
[04:44] <Seveas> it's just a remark of mine
[04:44] <black_nightmare> httpdss lol :p
[04:44] <airox> Harpi: I guess ubuntu can do all this partitioning etc.
[04:45] <airox> httpdss: Defining when it's booted is kinda hard.
[04:45] <WeirdAl> Harpi: If you use PartitionMagic to delete everything from the partition where you want Ubuntu, then you can get Ubuntu to set it up for you.
[04:45] <WeirdAl> Harpi: that means you want unformatted space.
[04:46] <Harpi> ok
[04:46] <OpaH> I'd like to thank the people who made 'Hoary' - that's an outstanding job well done. //rhi
[04:46] <kbrooks> Harpi, DONT LISTEN TO WeirdAl. LISTEN TO ME
[04:46] <Harpi> ok
[04:46] <airox> httpdss: Some processes are send to the background.
[04:46] <WeirdAl> :(
[04:46] <kbrooks> Harpi, You can get ubuntu to delete your hard drive...if you want
[04:46] <httpdss> booted, in my case, would be... getting to the gdm login screen
[04:46] <nmsa> OpaH, I agree with you and I subscribe!
[04:46] <Harpi> i dont want
[04:47] <WeirdAl> kbrooks, Ubuntu will automatically configure empty partitions... he doesn't have to delete his entire drive!
[04:47] <airox> httpdss: I would use a watch ;)
[04:47] <httpdss> ;)
[04:47] <Harpi> i have important data on a part of hd
[04:47] <blueyed> What would be a good partition strategy for installing Ubuntu (I'll have 300gb and two users)?
[04:47] <OpaH> is there a channel here for a 'hardware-detection' issue?
[04:47] <httpdss> k, thx
[04:47] <Seveas> kbrooks, stop shouting
[04:47] <CB201> 'lo everyone
[04:47] <airox> blueyed: Think about LVM.
[04:47] <paulswm> Yeah listen to kbrooks, he's obviously an expert, heh
[04:47] <Seveas> OpaH, depends on the issue, try here
[04:48] <kbrooks> blueyed, a /home partition is redundant in this case
[04:48] <CB201> can someone tell me how to *write* to my Windows partition as well as read from it?
[04:48] <nmsa> I am thinking to by a new pc with AMD Opteron CPU, where can I find more info on linux on AMD or linux experience on AMD please ?
[04:48] <Harpi> so finally what should i do
[04:48] <Harpi> ??
[04:48] <blueyed> What's LVM, airox?
[04:48] <kbrooks> Harpi, listen to WeirdAl........ ;)
[04:48] <airox> Harpi: Insert the disk, boot it and look carefully about which partition you format and delete.
[04:48] <WeirdAl> :-D
[04:48] <Curalton> nmsa: #ubuntu-amd64 ?
[04:48] <Harpi> ok
[04:48] <WeirdAl> Harpi -- here's what you want.
[04:49] <Harpi> thanks...i ll do so
[04:49] <kbrooks> blueyed, lvm means logical volume management
[04:49] <WeirdAl> The area where you want Linux to be... use PartitionMagic to set it as "unformatted"
[04:49] <Harpi> ok
[04:49] <airox> blueyed: It let's you resize virtual partitions on the fly.
[04:49] <airox> blueyed: Or make 2 HD's look like 1.
[04:49] <OpaH> Seveas: Hardware detects an S3Virge card, but which won't work - it needs the vesa & Framebuffer stuff - Problem is that the installation attempts to go graphic, and also looses the normal 'character consoles'
[04:49] <WeirdAl> Then boot from the Ubuntu CD, and it will give you the option to "Use the largest continuous area of free space"
[04:49] <blueyed> ah, fine.
[04:49] <nmsa> Curalton, sure thing, what is the advantage of having a amnd64 as CPU? wil it be really a sensible diff ?
[04:49] <[nrx_] > k. who's up for a spot of ndiswrapper problems?
[04:49] <Harpi> i m gona try it known, see you...
[04:49] <WeirdAl> Then you can get it to automatically create the partitions.
[04:49] <Harpi> ok
[04:49] <Curalton> nmsa: faster, a lot
[04:50] <WeirdAl> Good luck with that.
[04:50] <Harpi> thanks
[04:50] <airox> blueyed: You define physical volumes to a Volume Group and out off that you can create logical volumes.
[04:50] <nmsa> I will use this for video editing, probably in wind00ze
[04:50] <Seveas> OpaH, for that -> go to #ubuntu-devel, this sounds like a bug
[04:50] <CB201> [nrx_] , I just installed ndiswrapper successfully, mayeb I can help
[04:50] <blueyed> airox: Can I use this after installation and move the directories there?
[04:50] <nmsa> Curalton, where can I find some becnhmarks ?
[04:50] <airox> blueyed: It's wise to use because sometimes you can't make proper calculations about how much space you would use for which partition.
[04:50] <[nrx_] > CB201, it's for a dwl-g650+
[04:50] <nmsa> I'll be happy to take a look
[04:51] <blueyed> airox: couldn't you alter partition size later nevertheless?
[04:51] <CB201> [nrx_] , what's the problem?
[04:51] <airox> blueyed: That would be possible. But with the use of LVM it's far more easier.
[04:51] <Curalton> nmsa: uh, dont know for ubuntu. google for database stuff etc.
[04:51] <airox> blueyed: Ubuntu supports LVM
[04:51] <airox> blueyed: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/benefitsoflvmlarge.html
[04:51] <Dr_Acemaster> how can I access the windows boxes on my lan in ubuntu?
[04:51] <Curalton> nmsa: but for normal desktop use a normal athlon64 should suffice
[04:51] <kbrooks> I want to LVM. How do I do so?
[04:51] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, do you run hoary?
[04:51] <[nrx_] > CB201, i've installed ndiswrapper.. and imported the correct drivers for the card.. but when i insert the card.. there's error messages in dmesg and the card doesn't light up
[04:52] <airox> Dr_Acemaster: Location -> Network servers (could be something else because I run an other language then english)
[04:52] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: heh I'm not sure, how do I find out
[04:52] <airox> kbrooks: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:52] <kbrooks> ty airox
[04:52] <kbrooks> lvm is tempting -_-
[04:52] <kbrooks> ;)
[04:52] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, in a shell type cat /etc/issue
[04:52] <Dr_Acemaster> I've gone to network under computer on the taskbar, and can see the windows boxes
[04:52] <Dr_Acemaster> but can't access the files
[04:52] <Seveas> if it says "Hoary Hedgehog", you run hoary :)
[04:53] <airox> It sure is. Especially in cases where you have raid and like 10 HD's ;)
[04:53] <Dr_Acemaster> asks for password when there shouldn't be
[04:53] <pepsi> #kubuntu
[04:53] <nmsa> Curalton: I want more power, to feel it in my hands :) ... I ove ubuntu, is so much faster then mandrake, and so easy to setup and stuff ...
[04:53] <Seveas> ah ok
[04:53] <Seveas> and if you leave the passwords empty?
[04:53] <[nrx_] > CB201, any ideas?
[04:53] <Curalton> nmsa: opterons.. well, overkill imho :)
[04:54] <Dr_Acemaster> well I should clarify, doesn't ask for password, just says I don't have proper permissions
[04:54] <nmsa> anyone does video capture in linux ? avi to DVD ?
[04:54] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: no I don't have hoary
[04:54] <Dr_Acemaster> just warty I guess :)
[04:54] <Seveas> :)
[04:54] <Dr_Acemaster> what is hoary?
[04:54] <Dr_Acemaster> I see lots talkin about it
[04:54] <airox> The development version of Ubuntu.
[04:54] <Seveas> i have had this issue once, this stopped me from using nautilus for samba
[04:55] <kbrooks> 'The logical volume manager also allows management of storage volumes in user-defined groups, allowing the system administrator to deal with sensibly named volume groups such as "development" and "sales" rather than physical disk names such as "sda" and "sdb".' <<< Anyone think this could be useful for my computer?
[04:55] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: I've been reading online and seems many had to do it via command line
[04:55] <[nrx_] > folks... anyone seen this or similar before: "ERROR 2 trying to open firmware image file '/lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN-2.6.8.1-3-386': file not found - make sure this EXACT filename is in eXaCtLy this directory!
[04:55] <[nrx_] > "
[04:55] <Seveas> Using smbmount everything worked fine
[04:55] <nmsa> Curalton: see, will buy one in a week ... I think I can get a brand new AMD and SATA 160G + 1G mem for less then 900 E + a SonicView 19'' LCD ... maybe I will ask for discount ...
[04:55] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, commandline tools to the rescue then :)
[04:55] <gilles> dockane: did you find something ?
[04:55] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: heh that may be, as you can tell I'm a big time linux novice
[04:55] <airox> kbrooks: depends.
[04:56] <Dr_Acemaster> that's why the command lines scare me :)
[04:56] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, sure i can shall i do that in a private chat?
[04:56] <Curalton> nmsa: sweet for sure. but also check about linux compatibility of the components, sometimes an issue with these brand new hardware parts
[04:56] <airox> Dr_Acemaster: heh. Don't be. :)
[04:56] <Seveas> the shell is your friend :)
[04:56] <Dr_Acemaster> heh
[04:56] <airox> Dr_Acemaster: It's powerfull but not very user friendly.
[04:56] <nmsa> Curalton: I will, thnx for the tip ;)
[04:56] <Seveas> airox, it is :)
[04:56] <Dr_Acemaster> well the more I use it the more I like it, but ifyou don't konw the right commands, your SOL
[04:56] <benjanet> when i try to make an Audio Cd on K3B from mp3s, i get the following error "format not supported" (hoary)
[04:57] <dragonbyte> why doesnt ubuntu have mplayer packages?
[04:57] <Seveas> dragonbyte, hoary has
[04:57] <Dr_Acemaster> ok Seveas, whatever you recommend my friend, what's the next step?
[04:57] <airox> It does Seveas ?
[04:57] <Seveas> for warty: use marillat
[04:57] <Seveas> airox, afaik yes
[04:57] <airox> Seveas: Without using other sources I mean.
[04:57] <dragonbyte> Seveas: i am on hoary
[04:57] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, installing the commandline tools is the next step
[04:57] <dragonbyte> Seveas: what is the marillat source?
[04:58] <dragonbyte> airox: i don't think it does, i just had to remove mplayer to fix this stuff
[04:58] <dragonbyte> incidentally bluefish package is broke due to a type </dev/bull instead of /dev/null>
[04:58] <dragonbyte> in postinst
[04:58] <airox> dragonbyte: marillat is another repository where some .deb's off mplayer are kept.
[04:58] <Seveas> dragonbyte, it is in hoary multiverse
[04:59] <dragonbyte> airox: right, but what is the marillat source line?
[04:59] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: did you say youw anted to do this in a private message?
[04:59] <airox> dragonbyte: Visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org for them.
[04:59] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:59] <paulswm> kbrooks: LVM is useful if you need to move or resize filesystems, as they are logical entities rather than physical ones and may therefore be dropped/recreated/resized without physical repartitioning
[04:59] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, if you agree on that
[04:59] <Dr_Acemaster> sure
[04:59] <Dr_Acemaster> I didn't realize pm was such a big deal :)
[05:00] <Ubabe> how are we all?
[05:00] <Seveas> i usually don't like people suddenly pm'ing me
[05:00] <Seveas> that's why i ask :)
[05:00] <airox> kbrooks: Adding a HD to a logical volume would make your partition become larger without a single hassle.
[05:00] <Ubabe> seveas: noted
[05:01] <Ubabe> sometimes if im chatting on channel with just one person, i susually ask by pm if i can just chat with them, saves the clutter often
[05:01] <paulswm> You would add an HD to a Volume Group
[05:01] <dragonbyte> Seveas: what the hell is multiverse? :)
[05:01] <jesus-> what bittorrent program is included with ubuntu?
[05:01] <airox> Yeah.
[05:01] <jesus-> never mind
[05:01] <jesus-> i must be blind
[05:01] <Seveas> dragonbyte, the non-free section of ubuntu
[05:01] <dockane> what should that be for a 1024x768 lcd display in a thinkpad t21 ?
[05:01] <dockane> II) SAVAGE(0): Standardbildschirm: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00$
[05:01] <Seveas> or more likely: the cntrib section
[05:01] <dragonbyte> Seveas: i have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[05:02] <dragonbyte> Seveas: do i just need to add multiverse to the end of that?
[05:02] <airox> Anyone knows about a nice RSS aggregrator that could sit in my iconbar of gnome and say something if a new item is available ?
[05:02] <Seveas> dragonbyte, yes
[05:03] <dragonbyte> Seveas: does the multiverse include the marillat codecs?
[05:03] <Seveas> dragonbyte, it merely suggests: them
[05:03] <Seveas> so you need marillat for that
[05:03] <Seveas> (again: afaik, my memory is flaky sometimes)
[05:03] <airox> :)
[05:03] <Seveas> Hmm, it would be great to have ECC on my brain :D
[05:04] <airox> Let's have breakfast at 17:03 ...
[05:04] <dragonbyte> Seveas: hrm why is xmms required for mplayer?
[05:04] <dragonbyte> xmms is kinda poo compared to beep
[05:04] <benjanet> when i try to make an Audio Cd on K3B from mp3s, i get the following error "format not supported" (hoary), any ideas ?
[05:04] <vpalle> how do i edit the menus in hoary?
[05:05] <JL> you can in "warty, but not in "hoary" yet
[05:05] <Seveas> dragonbyte, dunno
[05:05] <Seveas> i still have mplayer from marillat :)
[05:06] <Alexmipego> why doesn't ubuntu add menu entries for apps I install from synaptic
[05:06] <Alexmipego> ?
[05:06] <WeirdAl> What do I use to burn ISOs to CD in Ubuntu?
[05:06] <JL> vpalle,  you can in "warty, but not in "hoary" yet
[05:06] <SiRrUs> WeirdAl graveman works good
[05:06] <JL> vpalle, what are you running?
[05:07] <Seveas> Alexmipego, because the apps do not tell ubuntu to do that
[05:07] <vpalle> JDahl, hoary
[05:07] <mjr> WeirdAl, right click in nautilus
[05:07] <Alexmipego> Seveas, but they are from ubuntu repositories, they should...
[05:07] <a_mason> WeirdAl, or cdrecord in console
[05:07] <vpalle> JL, hoary
[05:07] <Seveas> vpalle, in hoary: use the menu editor from Amaranth, that can do some editing
[05:07] <Seveas> Alexmipego, not really
[05:07] <zyga> Alexmipego: It's up to the author of the package
[05:07] <WeirdAl> Ah yes. Thanks. :-)
[05:07] <zyga> Alexmipego: It's really simple - you can contribute
[05:08] <zyga> Alexmipego: take a look at any .desktop file on your box
[05:08] <kbrooks> hah
[05:08] <zyga> Alexmipego: or check the official specs at freedesktop.org
[05:08] <WeirdAl> After Windows, I'm so wary of in-built CD writers that I just don't look for it any more :-)
[05:08] <zyga> Alexmipego:  It takes a minute to create and install a .desktop file for any app
[05:09] <Alexmipego> ya I guess
[05:09] <zyga> Alexmipego: (apart from the icon of course)
[05:09] <Alexmipego> I even have menu-edit
[05:09] <zyga> Alexmipego: no you need gedit only
[05:09] <zyga> Alexmipego: .desktop files are just several lines long
[05:09] <Alexmipego> I know
[05:10] <alterim> anyone help me with a ext3 partition error?
[05:10] <zyga> Alexmipego: you don't need 'fancy' menu editor to do it
[05:10] <Alexmipego> just asked because I could be missing something
[05:10] <Alexmipego> I switched from fc3 yesterday
[05:10] <alterim> anyone help me with a ext3 partition error?
[05:10] <zyga> Alexmipego: it had a menu editor?
[05:11] <zyga> alterim: what can we do?
[05:11] <dragonbyte> Seveas: do you have xmms installed?
[05:12] <Alexmipego> zyga, not actually, but gnome had "applications:///" and almost every rpm had a menu entry
[05:12] <dockane> gilles : not yet, looks like the HorizSync Value in xorg.conf reduces the possible resolution . did you find anyhting ?
[05:12] <zyga> Alexmipego: I see
[05:12] <zyga> Alexmipego: well you can get the .desktop files from rpms as long as the license allows it
[05:13] <kbrooks> er
[05:13] <kbrooks> kyle@kyle:~ $ sudo mount -o loop slackware-10.1-install-d1.iso /mnt/iso
[05:13] <kbrooks> Password:
[05:13] <kbrooks> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:13] <kbrooks> why that?
[05:13] <Seveas> kbrooks, modprobe loop
[05:13] <kbrooks> k
[05:15] <a_mason> in warty, when i try to 'make install' I get the following error > if test ! -d /usr/local/man/man1 ; then mkdir -p /usr/local/man/man1; fi \ mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/man': File exists \ make: *** [install]  Error 1
[05:15] <a_mason> for Mplayer
[05:15] <a_mason> /usr/local/man is a soft link to /usr/share/man
[05:16] <Myrtti> why on earth do you want to install it like than
[05:16] <Seveas> a_mason, install mplayer_custom from marillat
[05:16] <Myrtti> s/than/that
[05:16] <Seveas> no need to compile yourself
[05:16] <a_mason> they how will I learn?
[05:16] <bodhi> hi, does anyone know how to configure a irda adapter to link with my mobile?
[05:17] <Alexmipego> bodhi, nokia?
[05:17] <Seveas> a_mason, i like that attitude :)
[05:17] <bodhi> no, a sony-ericcson
[05:17] <Seveas> but the makefile of mplayer seems to be broken badly
[05:17] <Alexmipego> bodhi, I only know gnokii
[05:17] <bodhi> but i dont know how to run irda
[05:17] <Seveas> so installing a precompiled version is the better way here
[05:17] <Seveas> bodhi: apt-get install irda-utils
[05:18] <a_mason> better, or easier? :P
[05:18] <Alexmipego> maybe it works with those also, see it. At least it have docs on how to setup irda
[05:18] <dragonbyte> wtf!? why can't i install mplayer without freaking xmms
[05:18] <bodhi> Seveas: I saw the package, but do i need to change something in kernel or add a module?
[05:19] <Seveas> modprobe irda
[05:19] <Seveas> echo irda | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:20] <bodhi> so, if i see irda in /etc/modules it should be working?
[05:21] <bodhi> seveas: modprobe is just for this session or I need to add "modprobe irda" to a configuration file?
[05:22] <a_mason> fixed the mplayer install, it was getting confused with the softlink file.  Works great now.
[05:22] <Seveas> echo irda | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:22] <Seveas> that's when you want it to auto-load
[05:23] <bodhi> ok
[05:23] <bodhi> any program to tranfers file ot to manage a conection between mobile a irda?
[05:24] <Alexmipego> gnokii
[05:24] <[nrx_] > Seveas, got the card working.. it's at least talking to the pc
[05:24] <[nrx_] > Seveas, just need to get the interface up
[05:24] <Seveas> ifconfig wlan0 up
[05:24] <Seveas> dhclient wlan0
[05:24] <black_nightmare> hmm irda....
[05:24] <bodhi> gnokii is just for nokia or I can use it with a sony-ercisson?
[05:25] <black_nightmare> I always wondered about finding a low-priced irda parallel adapter :p
[05:25] <[nrx_] > see, it comes back saying "wlan0: no such device"
[05:25] <Artanis> hm sound in battle for wesnoth doesnt work
[05:25] <Seveas> [nrx_] , than it has another name perhaps?
[05:26] <Seveas> have you run: ndiswrapper -m
[05:26] <[nrx_] > not that i can see
[05:26] <Seveas> and modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:26] <Artanis> I can play ogg and mp3 files though
[05:28] <[nrx_] > Seveas, and after those two commands?
[05:30] <Seveas> retry ifconfig :)
[05:30] <[nrx_] > it comes back with two entires... lo and eth0
[05:30] <bodhi> anyone know any program to manage irda conections but gnokii? My mobile is not supported
[05:32] <twentyone> hop
[05:33] <ApesMa> How do I control which sound device is "card 0", which is "card 1", etc?
[05:33] <[nrx_] > no. damn. wlan0
[05:33] <Alexmipego> bodhi, google knows everything
[05:34] <dmoyne> I cannot get the windows iconified in the icon bar as supposed to be with KDE 3.4
[05:34] <vmrocha> i'm having trouble to start emacs, does anyone can help me?
[05:34] <topyli> bodhi: try gammu
[05:35] <bodhi> topyli: thank you
[05:35] <bodhi> Alexmipego: if Google knows everything, why we need support and help channel in IRC? ;)
[05:36] <topyli> bodhi: openobex might also be helpful for simple file transfers
[05:36] <vmrocha> ubunt package for emacs just come with emacs-x ??? (not emacs)
[05:36] <black_nightmare> bodhi...ROFL :p
[05:36] <vmrocha> does anyone knows anything about it?
[05:37] <Alexmipego> bodhi, because irc, etc.. feed google with new info?
[05:37] <vmrocha> i'm trying to start emacs on text mode
[05:37] <[nrx_] > Seveas, any  more ideas?
[05:37] <topyli> vmrocha: try 'emacs -nw'
[05:38] <vmrocha> topy: great! worked! tanks a lot!
[05:38] <bodhi> ummm not exacltly Google doesnt see everything
[05:38] <bodhi> topyli: thank you again
[05:43] <projectmayhem> hello... anyone here use marillat apt-get repo? i'm having trouble getting it to work in hoary...
[05:43] <no0tic> a tool to control startup scripts?
[05:44] <Seveas> projectmayhem, key errors?
[05:44] <projectmayhem> seveas yep!
[05:44] <Seveas> no0tic, define "control"
[05:44] <bodhi> cron
[05:44] <Seveas> projectmayhem, hold on
[05:44] <projectmayhem> seveas thx
[05:45] <bodhi> maybe, he means "start" as "control"
[05:46] <bodhi> no0tic: you mean a way to start a scripts and be noticed the way it finishes?
[05:46] <Seveas> projectmayhem: gpg --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 > /tmp/marillat-key && sudo apt-key add /tmp/marillat-key && rm /tmp/marillat-key
[05:46] <harpis> hi
[05:46] <harpis> i need some of your help
[05:46] <Seveas> type that all on one line and you're done :)
[05:46] <projectmayhem> seveas awesome, thanks
[05:46] <no0tic> Seveas: choose what scripts to start and what to not start
[05:47] <projectmayhem> um seveas... gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver)
[05:47] <projectmayhem> gpg: keyserver receive failed: bad URI
[05:47] <projectmayhem> is that a problem?
[05:47] <projectmayhem> or normal?
[05:47] <harpis> i have installed ubunt but the x server doesn't want to run on
[05:47] <no0tic> Seveas: now I do this work manually
[05:47] <bodhi> no0tic: cron
[05:47] <harpis> when i boot
[05:47] <bodhi> and crontab
[05:47] <Lemonzest> is the dhcp package fixed? because i lost my connection yestaday and was told it was the updated package
[05:47] <harpis> ...
[05:47] <no0tic> bodhi: at boot time, probably I was not clear
[05:47] <Seveas> no0tic, chmod -x the scripts you don't want to start
[05:47] <Seveas> Lemonzest, it is
[05:48] <Seveas> the ubuntu3 and ubunt4 packages are good
[05:48] <Lemonzest> so when i run the bunty updater it will be fine?
[05:48] <harpis> help me ...please
[05:48] <Seveas> yes
[05:48] <no0tic> Seveas: now I use this way, I would like to know if there's a tool to do it
[05:48] <Lemonzest> thanks
[05:48] <bodhi> rc
[05:48] <Seveas> no0tic, no nice tool
[05:48] <bodhi> if you mean at boot time, rc
[05:48] <Seveas> you can use update-rc.d, but that will be reset when packages are upgraded
[05:49] <harpis> i have installed ubunt but the x server doesn't want to run on so i cant get on the desktop
[05:49] <Seveas> so chmod -x is the tool to use
[05:49] <Seveas> harpis, what is the error you get?
[05:49] <no0tic> Servo888: thanks
[05:49] <no0tic> Seveas: thanks
[05:49] <topyli> no0tic: there's sysv-rc-conf if you want a "gui" tool
[05:49] <Lemonzest> would the dailiy install iso also be fixed?
[05:50] <Seveas> Lemonzest, i guess so
[05:50] <Lemonzest> thanks
[05:50] <harpis> too long to type but "xio : fatal error 104 (connection reset by peer" on X server ":0.0"....
[05:50] <no0tic> topyli: thanks
[05:50] <harpis> i can give you more detail
[05:51] <Seveas> harpis, we need more detail :
[05:51] <vixus> Hey everyone.
[05:51] <Seveas> can you put more info (like the complete error) somewhere?
[05:51] <harpis> after 0 request (0known processed) with 0 events remaining
[05:51] <vixus> How come the dotblend tutorials aren't working?
[05:51] <harpis> failed to load module "v41"
[05:51] <vixus> oops, wrong chan.
[05:51] <harpis> want more ?
[05:52] <Seveas> harpis, at least the first few errors
[05:52] <Seveas> in the correct order :)
[05:52] <harpis> those are the first
[05:52] <Seveas> ah ok
[05:53] <harpis> caught signal 11 server aborting
[05:53] <Seveas> ouch
[05:53] <harpis> do you have any idea
[05:53] <Seveas> x server segfaulting...
[05:54] <harpis> and ??
[05:54] <harpis> well i m gona give errors in the corect order
[05:54] <harpis> w8
[05:54] <harpis> failed to load module "v41"
[05:55] <harpis> caught signal 11 server aborting
[05:55] <harpis> too long to type but "xio : fatal error 104 (connection reset by peer" on X server ":0.0"....
[05:55] <harpis> after 0 request (0known processed) with 0 events remaining
[05:55] <Seveas> ah, that is a more reasonable order :)
[05:55] <harpis> that's it
[05:55] <Seveas> are you still on that machine in text mode?
[05:55] <harpis> yes
[05:55] <Myrtti> is there a list of locales available for Ubuntu?
[05:55] <harpis> on a laptop
[05:55] <Myrtti> somewhere?
[05:55] <Seveas> ok, are you root?
[05:55] <harpis> no
[05:56] <Seveas> type: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf (i assume you are using hoary)
[05:56] <harpis> no wharty
[05:56] <Seveas> type: sudo nano /etc/X11/XFree86-4
[05:56] <Mitario> hmm, does anyone here know a calendar publishing website?
[05:57] <Seveas> sorry, close nano
[05:57] <Mitario> which I can use with evolution
[05:57] <Seveas> wrong file :)
[05:57] <Seveas> type: sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:57] <harpis> ok
[05:57] <Seveas> now locate the line which says Load "v4l"
[05:58] <Seveas> and put a # as first character on that line
[05:58] <harpis> w8
[05:58] <Seveas> so it says: #   Load   "v4l"
[05:58] <harpis> ok
[05:58] <projectmayhem> hey... seveas i'm still getting key errors... any idea why?
[05:58] <harpis> i found it
[05:59] <Seveas> projectmayhem, refresh me pleasem i forgot your problem
[05:59] <Seveas> ow wait marillat right?
[05:59] <projectmayhem> marillat repo gpg keys
[05:59] <projectmayhem> seveas yeah
[05:59] <Seveas> type sudo apt-key list
[05:59] <Seveas> and paste the output in a private chat
[05:59] <harpis> me ?
[05:59] <Seveas> harpis, no, that was for projectmayhem
[05:59] <harpis> ok
[06:00] <harpis> then i do ?
[06:00] <Seveas> harpis, have you put a # as first character on the Load "v4l" line?
[06:00] <harpis> no
[06:00] <Seveas> thend o that :)
[06:00] <harpis> i should ?
[06:00] <Seveas> yes
[06:00] <projectmayhem> seveas did that, it listed like 3 entries...
[06:00] <harpis> ok
[06:01] <Seveas> projectmayhem, did it list marillat too
[06:01] <harpis> it s done
[06:01] <brosio> anyone have quake2 on ubuntu x86_64 ??
[06:01] <Seveas> harpis, does the line now read: #   Load "v4l"
[06:01] <harpis> yes
[06:01] <Seveas> ok
[06:01] <projectmayhem> seveas no, two ubuntu things (cd image automatic signing key and archive automatic signing key)
[06:01] <harpis> i just typed #
[06:01] <airox> Is there some way to let Gaim show my offline contacts ?
[06:01] <harpis> before
[06:01] <vmrocha> airox: yes
[06:01] <Seveas> harpis, hit <ctrl>O to save the file
[06:02] <syn-ack> airox: yes
[06:02] <airox> How ?
[06:02] <Seveas> harpis, and then <ctrl>X to exit
[06:02] <projectmayhem> airox did you try preferences and look at plugins and such?
[06:02] <airox> Yep.
[06:02] <Seveas> projectmayhem, weird, i'll pm you in a bit, hold on
[06:02] <jessica_> crimsun, Seveas, and others: I have been testing my computers memory. memtest86 did 4 passes without errors, so I interrupted it (should I have waited more passes?). I also followed the advice to upgrade kernel, and installed 2.6.11-1-686. Then, when logging in to gnome, I got a kernel panic (I saw it by quickly switching back to tty1 when trying for the 3rd time). I don't know if this kernel panic is related to the Oopses with 2.6.10-3 to 2
[06:02] <jessica_> .6.10-5, but I should stress that linux 2.6.8.1 had no problems. I would be glad to hear some advices. Should I report bugzilla bugs?
[06:02] <harpis> ok
[06:03] <harpis> and
[06:03] <Seveas> harpis, and reboot :)
[06:03] <airox> Well I mean my MSN contacts that is.
[06:03] <dburlone> is anyone expereinced with setting up dual monitors?
[06:03] <[nrx_] > i can't get wlan0 working :/
[06:03] <harpis> ok
[06:03] <airox> [nrx_] : Which driver ?
[06:03] <Seveas> jessica_, you should only file bugreports when you pinpointed the problem, but it looks like a kernel hickup indeed
[06:03] <harpis> thank so much
[06:04] <[nrx_] > dwl-g650+
[06:04] <harpis> i hope it will run
[06:04] <Seveas> can you give a bit more info about what happened just before the panic?
[06:04] <jessica_> Seveas: Of course, I logged in to gnome... I'm afraid that's all :(
[06:04] <[nrx_] > airox,  the card's being recognised and lights up when i plug it in, but wlan0 doesn't appear in ifconfig
[06:04] <harpis> it doesn't run
[06:05] <airox> Which module would you need for it no0tic ?
[06:05] <airox> [nrx]  ...
[06:05] <Seveas> jessica_, does it also happen when booting into rescue mode?
[06:05] <jessica_> Seveas: But i'd be glad to provide logs and tests to people who are knowledgable what to do with it
[06:05] <[nrx_] > airox, huh?
[06:05] <jessica_> Seveas: I did not try. What kernel options should I use?
[06:05] <airox> [nrx_] : Do you know which module is needed to use the wireless card ?
[06:05] <jessica_> (I don't have the grub-rescue-entries)
[06:05] <Seveas> jessica_, there should be a "rescue mode" entry in the grub menu already
[06:05] <Seveas> that should work
[06:06] <[nrx_] > airox, sorry. I'm not grasping what you're asking.. when you say module.. what do you mean? something to do with ndiswrapper or what?
[06:06] <airox> [nrx_] : You are using ndiswrapper ?
[06:06] <[nrx_] > airox, yes
[06:06] <[o3] -Joo> I have a question: I got through th Ubuntu installation without getting to shoose a root password, so now I can't log in as root what shoul I do abut this?
[06:06] <skreet> anyone know good divx compression software for linux ? :D
[06:06] <jessica_> Seveas: I'm sorry, I don't have them. I have lilo, because grub wouldn't install, which is (I assume) an unrelated problem with the warty installer
[06:07] <airox> Hmm ... so you did ndiswrapper -f windows_driver.inf ? And then did modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[06:07] <Seveas> [o3] -Joo, by default there is no root password
[06:07] <skreet> [o3] -Joo, There is no root.
[06:07] <[nrx_] > airox, yes i did
[06:07] <Seveas> [o3] -Joo, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:07] <[o3] -Joo> how do I get su rights then?
[06:07] <[nrx_] > airox, and isn't it ndiswrapper -i file.inf and not -f?
[06:07] <skreet> [o3] -Joo, Sud
[06:07] <skreet> erm, sudo
[06:08] <airox> [nrx_] : Could be. I've not used it for over 2 weeks now. What does the logs say ?
[06:08] <harpis> it doesn't run seveas
[06:08] <[nrx_] > airox, says everything's fine, basically :)
[06:08] <Seveas> jessica_, the standard ubuntu recovery mode uses "ro single" as options
[06:08] <airox> [nrx_] : Ok.
[06:08] <Seveas> harpis, what is the error now?
[06:08] <harpis> the same
[06:08] <Seveas> hmm
[06:08] <Seveas> odd
[06:09] <airox> [nrx_] : The logs should say that it has created a device. Is it in there ?
[06:09] <[nrx_] > airox, the light comes on to show it's running.. I just don't have a wlan0 anywhere
[06:09] <dburlone> does anyone know how to set up dual monitors?
[06:09] <garrut> nvidia?
[06:09] <Seveas> harpis, open the file again with nano
[06:09] <dburlone> no, intel onboard and savage (I think)
[06:09] <Seveas> is the # still there, so still # Load "v4l"
[06:09] <harpis> i m gone see
[06:10] <garrut> dburlone: i think you have to use xinerama then
[06:10] <[nrx_] > airox, just noticed something.. ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_pci:1458): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device
[06:10] <Seveas> [nrx_] , then you're screwed
[06:10] <[o3] -Joo> skreet, thanks!!
[06:10] <Seveas> i have that exact same error now
[06:10] <airox> Seveas: hehe!
[06:10] <Baptiste> Good afternoon
[06:10] <Seveas> somthing is fscked up in there
[06:10] <Seveas> have been trying to get it to work for hours..
[06:10] <airox> [nrx_] : Well you are certain you selected the correct .inf file ?
[06:11] <Baptiste> I have burned one more time the ubuntu hoary iso
[06:11] <[nrx_] > airox, yeah
[06:11] <Seveas> if it's a pcmcia card: maybe cardctl insert helps
[06:11] <dburlone> garrut:  yeah, I've been trying to get that set up, it comes at me with some error re: the onboard controller.
[06:11] <Baptiste> and the installations has problems
[06:11] <airox> [nrx_] : I also couldn't get it working over here, although wlan0 is visible and lights are burning. Just can't set the paramteres with iwconfig. :(
[06:11] <Baptiste> a bootstrap error
[06:11] <jessica_> Seveas: I will try the ro single mode. I think I will open a bugzilla entry anyhow, because it's on my girlfriends computer, and I can't be running tests here every minute of the day... So it might be a good thing to gather some test-suggestions and then run them all at once, to report the results. In any case, thanks for your input.
[06:12] <airox> I need to get myself a pci -> pcmcia converter and a senao card.
[06:12] <Seveas> good luck then jessica_ i hope it will be resolved
[06:12] <jessica_> Seveas: Thanks, me too :)
[06:12] <garrut> dburlone: i use nvidia's twinview for my dual screen setup, so i don't know much about xinerama..
[06:12] <harpis> AHHH THERE AREN ' anyy file !!
[06:12] <Seveas> file the bug under the "linux" package by the way
[06:12] <Seveas> harpis, you must be mistaken :)
[06:12] <harpis> i think so
[06:13] <Seveas> because if the error is the same, the file is still there
[06:13] <Seveas> nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:13] <Seveas> mind all capitals
[06:13] <dburlone> garrut: alright, seems that most people use nvidia for duals; that's why I'm having a hard time finding info about this.  Thanks though!
[06:13] <[nrx_] > Seveas, been getting anywhere with it?
[06:14] <Seveas> [nrx_] , no not yet
[06:14] <harpis> ouf they are here
[06:14] <airox> I forget, was the ubuntu installer capable of resizing NTFS ?
[06:14] <Seveas> i'm on another machine now (with atheros chip)
[06:14] <Seveas> [nrx_] , have you tried the cardctl insert?
[06:14] <harpis> the # is still there
[06:14] <WeirdAl> :-( I still haven't managed to come up with some way of resizingmy ext3 partition
[06:14] <Seveas> harpis, is there maybe another line tht contains "v4l"
[06:15] <[nrx_] > Seveas, comes back with an error saying the device is busy
[06:15] <[nrx_] > got something else to try though
[06:15] <Seveas> ah
[06:15] <[nrx_] > so gimme 10 minutes
[06:15] <harpis> no
[06:15] <Seveas> :)
[06:17] <sdeppert> hey is 5.04 a good version?
[06:17] <sdeppert> because it wont let me do stuff on it because I cant log into root
[06:17] <WeirdAl> sdeppert, use sudo
[06:17] <Seveas> sdeppert, you dont need root
[06:17] <WeirdAl> sudo <command> runs it as root
[06:17] <Seveas> sdeppert, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:17] <Seveas> harpis, i'm out of options then, maybe someone else can help
[06:18] <sdeppert> well when the computer restarts it says that I need to run this in root
[06:18] <airox> Would be nice to see a bot around here in order to get all faq's answered quickly :)
[06:18] <sid77> hi
[06:18] <sdeppert> I tried the sudo and it works good
[06:18] <Seveas> airox, hi, here i am :)
[06:18] <airox> Seveas: ...
[06:18] <airox> :P
[06:18] <sdeppert> except when I reboot
[06:18] <membreya> airox: pyre is a bot :)
[06:19] <WeirdAl> How can I make my root partition bigger without resorting to programs I have to pay for or crack
[06:19] <sdeppert> I tried to reconfigure the xserver for my ati card and now it wont let me
[06:19] <membreya> Pyre: tell airox about root
[06:19] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'about root' airox
[06:19] <membreya> see :)
[06:19] <WeirdAl> Anyone says QTParted I'll cry.
[06:19] <Seveas> sdeppert, follow THESE instructions
[06:19] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[06:19] <airox> membreya: hehe, cool
[06:20] <membreya> Pyre: tell airox root access
[06:20] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'root access' airox
[06:20] <membreya> damn you
[06:20] <airox> WeirdAl: QTParted
[06:20] <sdeppert> thank you I'll give ti a try
[06:20] <membreya> stupid bot
[06:20] <Seveas> membreya, i think its sudo
[06:20] <airox> Yay! ;)
[06:20] <Seveas> lol airox / WeirdAl
[06:20] <WeirdAl> :'-(
[06:21] <harpis> the # is still there
[06:21] <harpis> seveas
[06:21] <Myrtti> are you playing around with newbies?
[06:21] <Myrtti> shame on you
[06:21] <airox> WeirdAl: Ubuntu is just like a game. Practice a lot and you will rule!
[06:21] <Seveas> harpis, i'm out of options then, maybe someone else can help
[06:21] <WeirdAl> Indeed.
[06:21] <Seveas> airox, nice one :)
[06:21] <harpis> thanks
[06:21] <WeirdAl> However, I would like to rule with more disk space.
[06:21] <neighborlee> what is fix for ubuntu start errors complaining that /dev/nvidia0 and nvidiactl dont have right permissions ?? ;-) ( it does it everytime)
[06:21] <airox> WeirdAl: QTParted
[06:21] <airox> :P
[06:21] <WeirdAl> QTParted won't move it.
[06:21] <WeirdAl> It will only format it or delete it.
[06:21] <airox> True on that.
[06:21] <Seveas> neighborlee, setting the right permissions of course :D
[06:22] <neighborlee> Seveas, as I say it does it on every reboot
[06:22] <WeirdAl> I want to move it and then resize it because the free space is in front of it...
[06:22] <Seveas> neighborlee, that's becaus ubuntu uses udev
[06:22] <airox> WeirdAl: There are some boot cd's for partitioning. For example Partition magic and Akronis.
[06:22] <neighborlee> Seveas, and ive no idea why it started doing this
[06:22] <WeirdAl> Akronis eh? Is that free?
[06:22] <WeirdAl> 'cause Partition Magic isn't.
[06:22] <Seveas> neighborlee, google for permissions+nvidiactl+udev
[06:22] <neighborlee> Seveas, its been fine for months until now..I wonder if a 'update' caused it LOL ( ubuntu update I mean)
[06:23] <Seveas> i dont have nvidia, so i cant help you further
[06:23] <airox> Well that's true WeirdAl.
[06:23] <neighborlee> Seveas, ic np
[06:23] <WeirdAl> I would like a free one, like the one that Ubuntu uses when it installs ... but on CD, so that the partition isn't mounted when I try to edit it.
[06:24] <airox> WeirdAl: I guess knoppix has parted included.
[06:24] <WeirdAl> Knoppix is huge :-( I'll give it a go though.
[06:25] <WeirdAl> I tried DSL but it couldn't even see my disk.
[06:26] <WeirdAl> :-|
[06:26] <airox> :(
[06:26] <WeirdAl> If these patent laws in Europe get passed, there's going to suddenly be a lot of pirates.
[06:26] <airox> WeirdAl: Having a spare rescue CD is always a good thing. And having one around makes life easier :)
[06:26] <Brazmetal> Can Someone help me?
[06:26] <WeirdAl> Yes, you're right on that.
[06:26] <WeirdAl> So I'm going to get it anyway.
[06:27] <airox> Brazmetal: Offcourse, just tell us your problem.
[06:27] <Brazmetal> Why mounted devices don't apear in computer///: ?
[06:28] <WeirdAl> What are the chances of Knoppix being in English when I insall it? :-p
[06:28] <airox> Brazmetal: Where did you mounted them ?
[06:28] <Brazmetal> i have some partitions mounted at /media/ but the don't appear in computer///:
[06:28] <Brazmetal> airox
[06:28] <Clarinet> hi
[06:28] <Seveas> ih
[06:28] <Clarinet> is there an arabic support in Ubuntu ?
[06:28] <airox> WeirdAl: It's english afaik. Otherwise you can set it when the boot screen appears.
[06:28] <geneo93> WeirdAl:  mine english
[06:28] <WeirdAl> k cool
[06:29] <airox> Brazmetal: dunno.
[06:29] <airox> have to go
[06:29] <airox> ciao
[06:30] <geneo93> Brazmetal:  exactly what mounts
[06:30] <Brazmetal> geneo93: partitions
[06:30] <geneo93> of
[06:30] <Brazmetal> geneo93: i have 3 more partition mounted at the boot
[06:30] <WeirdAl> Two hours :rolleyes:
[06:30] <WeirdAl> Could watch a movie.
[06:31] <geneo93> Brazmetal:  be more specific
[06:31] <timmeh> hi is there any chance someone could help a completely lost newbie
[06:32] <Seveas> sure
[06:32] <Seveas> if you say what you need help with
[06:32] <Timbo> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/
[06:32] <Brazmetal> geneo93: how? 3 partitions, 2 ntfs and 1 fat... they are already mounted, but they don't apper in compuiter///:
[06:33] <geneo93> Brazmetal:  did you edit fstab and make mnt points for them
[06:33] <spades> Brazmetal: view them in the file system and navigate to /media. they wont be listed in computer:/// like windows lists partitions
[06:34] <timmeh> Seveas: i had major issues getting x to run with ogl so we turned it off, now ive got some new drivers for my video card and it wont let me install them from within gnome, so the only way i know how to exit is with an init 1 but the installer wont run from a runlevel 1 enviro, and if i switch back to 3 like it says gnome loads up again, so im completely lost and dont know what to do
[06:34] <sdeppert> hey I tried to reconfigure my xserver and this is the error I got
[06:34] <sdeppert> steven@ubuntu:~$  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:34] <sdeppert> Password:
[06:34] <sdeppert> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:34] <sdeppert> steven@ubuntu:~$
[06:34] <Brazmetal> gen:  yes... they are mounted corretctly
[06:34] <geneo93> spades depends on where he put them
[06:34] <spades> geneo93: i think he wants to see each disk as an actual disk in computer:/// like windows lists it
[06:34] <Brazmetal> geneo93:   yes... they are mounted corretctly
[06:34] <Seveas> timmeh, does booting intu "recovery mode" help?
[06:35] <Brazmetal> geneo93:  I can access them at media
[06:35] <timmeh> Seveas: the driver setup wont run from there, ive already tried
[06:35] <Seveas> sdeppert, is there a package manager running?
[06:36] <geneo93> hmm i put mine in mnt
[06:36] <sdeppert> yeah actually there is and its frozen hold on
[06:36] <Seveas> timmeh, try <ctrl><alt><F3> while in gnome, it gives you a standard terminal
[06:36] <Roey> crimsun: hi
[06:36] <Roey> hello all
[06:36] <Roey> smurfix: hi
[06:37] <Seveas> in that terminal you can use <alt><F7> to go back to gnome
[06:37] <[nrx_] > gah
[06:39] <Brazmetal> geneo93: any idea?
[06:39] <geneo93> what are you looking for if you can see them Brazmetal
[06:39] <timmeh> well that didnt work
[06:40] <voodoowtf>  http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=voodoo665 I'm not going to shit you guys. I actually made money on one of these bullshit read emails website. All i did was sign up for 2 free offers and i got a check in the m
[06:40] <airox> ...
[06:40] <spades> Brazmetal: computer:/// will show the physical disk, if you have 3 partitions on 1 disk you will need to access them at the mount points
[06:40] <timmeh> Seveas: it wouldnt run because there was still a windows manager running...and how do i get back to the gui when i do that terminal thing
[06:41] <Seveas> timmeh, you get back with <alt><F7>
[06:41] <Seveas> and you can kill the xserver from the terminal :)
[06:42] <Seveas> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop should wotk i believe
[06:42] <Brazmetal> spades: yes... but sometimes, they apper in computer:///.... and they dessapper...
[06:42] <timmeh> Seveas: lol i had to reboot cause i couldnt figure it out, but ill try that thanks
[06:42] <Roey> airox: how can spammers be klined without any op in here??
[06:42] <Roey> airox: the same thing happened yesterday but they lingered around here for an hour
[06:42] <airox> Roey: magic.
[06:42] <geneo93> Brazmetal:  but they are not accessable that way
[06:42] <alindeman> Roey: Kline is a server ban
[06:43] <Roey> alindeman: so you need to get ahold of a Freenode staff?
[06:43] <misantroph> <---- linux noobie. But ubuntu is far the best ive tryied :D
[06:43] <alindeman> Roey: Yah, klines are set by freenode staff
[06:43] <Roey> alindeman: wish they set it yesterday on the 'dcm' person
[06:43] <Roey> alindeman: he was spewing racist banter
[06:44] <alindeman> Roey: Ah, feel free to poke if it happens again
[06:44] <Roey> alindeman: ok, thanks
[06:44] <sdeppert> ok I restarted and tried the command again and this is what I got
[06:45] <sdeppert> steven@ubuntu:~$  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:45] <sdeppert> Password:
[06:45] <sdeppert> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed
[06:45] <sdeppert> steven@ubuntu:~$
[06:45] <[nrx_] > how do i remove a module from hotplug?
[06:45] <Seveas> [nrx_] , remove for now, or prevent form loading?
[06:45] <Seveas> the former: modprobe -r
[06:45] <[nrx_] > prevent from loading...
[06:45] <Seveas> the latter: add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:45] <[nrx_] > lsmod gives acx_pci
[06:45] <[nrx_] > rmmod acx_pci removes it
[06:45] <[nrx_] > but if i instert the car again..
[06:46] <[nrx_] > it appears back in lsmod
[06:47] <dutch> i got a qestion about X11 and screen resolutions
[06:48] <dutch> xll shows 1280x1024...but, I can't get it to run in that size
[06:48] <dutch> any help ?
[06:48] <spades> dutch: open a terminal and type xrandr and see if it lists it
[06:48] <pe7er> hm. this is strange: "python-qt3: Depends: python2.4-qt3 but it is not going to be installed" ==> depends python2.4-sip4-qt3 >= 4.01, python2.4-sip4-qt3 < 4.2. available in hoary is 4.2.1-ubuntu2. there is a logic but it is broken. any ideas? should i submit this somewhere? (where?) and there still is python2.4-sip-qt3, can i force usage of that package by pthon-qt3 somehow?
[06:49] <dutch> best spades: nope, not there
[06:49] <spades> dutch: reconfigure it and make sure its added
[06:50] <Seveas> pe7er, are you trying to install/upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[06:50] <Brunellus> happy easter.
[06:50] <dutch> spades: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[06:50] <spades> yea
[06:50] <dutch> spades: ok, thanks a lot..
[06:50] <Brunellus> I'm running gphoto on warty;  how can I update the camera drivers
[06:50] <dutch> brb
[06:50] <Brunellus> my camera isn't found
[06:50] <spades> np, once its done, run xrandr again and see if its there
[06:50] <pe7er> Seveas, plain install haven't had it installed before
[06:51] <timmeh> Seveas: ok that actually worked, the installer ran, but its saying there is no precompiler kernel interface for my kernel or something like that and it said that it couldnt find a source tree....does that mean i need to d/l the source (if thats possible)
[06:52] <dutch> spades: says xserver is broken or not fully installed..
[06:52] <Brunellus> ugh.
[06:52] <Seveas> timmeh, usually linux-headers-`uname -r`-686 (or k7, or ppc, depends on your machine) will do
[06:52] <spades> dutch: check the forums or the wiki, i never encounterd that before
[06:53] <dutch> ok, just saw that here on the screen just a few minutes ago...checking
[06:53] <vafnord> Can anyone help me get an ATI Rage 128 Pro working?
[06:53] <sig> dualm: apt-get -f your Xserver
[06:54] <sig> -f, --fix-broken
[06:54] <hgoesm> can someone tell me a good cd burn prog for gnonme undet ubuntu??? (GUI plz)
[06:54] <sig> hgoesm: GnomeBaker
[06:54] <hgoesm> is it a official package
[06:55] <sig> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/
[06:55] <sig> it is going to be
[06:55] <pe7er> hgpesm: nautilus: burn:// also gnomebaker (should be available at the repos soon)
[06:55] <Seveas> dutch apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[06:55] <hgoesm> ok thz
[06:55] <sig> Seveas: apt-get -f xserver-org will work as well
[06:55] <sig> he won't have to redownload all with -f
[06:55] <Seveas> dutch apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 on warty
[06:57] <blackmoon> lamont: hi...
[06:57] <vafnord> Is fglrx for all ati cards or just radeon?
[06:57] <jinx> hey guys quick question: is there any reason why i should switch from debian sarge to ubuntu
[06:57] <sig> jinx: no
[06:57] <dutch> Seveas: okay, did that, but it said something about "failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang"
[06:57] <pe7er> Seveas, no idea about python-qt3? do you have any clue where i could go with it? (sorry for bad grammar, am not a native speaker)
[06:57] <blackmoon> lamont: i'm that one with a problems with postfix...
[06:58] <black_nightmare> any of you mind telling me what GnomeMeeting is?
[06:58] <jinx> sig: thanks he he
[06:58] <airox> black_nightmare: like netmeeting for windows.
[06:58] <black_nightmare> oh ic airox...kinda like a private messenger?
[06:58] <Seveas> blackmoon, is the problem invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed.
[06:58] <Seveas> dpkg: error processing postfix (--configure):
[06:58] <Seveas>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:59] <airox> black_nightmare: yeah.
[06:59] <black_nightmare> hm I see
[06:59] <dutch> well, looks like time to use that cd again...
[06:59] <dutch> Seveas: thanks for the help :)
[06:59] <sig> dutch: did you do what I said?
[06:59] <vafnord> Can anyone help me get an ATI Rage 128 Pro working?
[06:59] <black_nightmare> 'Terminal Server Client' = online terminal or alas telnet I take it?
[07:00] <sig> apt-get -f thosebrokepackages
[07:00] <airox> black_nightmare: It's client for RDP and VNC and some others ...
[07:00] <dutch> sig: yeah, but same result...xserver broken or not installed correctly
[07:00] <black_nightmare> ahh ok
[07:00] <sig> dutch: did you alter your x conf/
[07:00] <airox> black_nightmare: Very usefull if you have windows xp or 2003 machines to manage.
[07:00] <airox> Or maybe even linux.
[07:00] <sig> or use non repo packages?
[07:01] <black_nightmare> eh ok you telling me now airox :)
[07:01] <black_nightmare> is there like any telnet-or-similar for ubuntu? (apt-get or not too)
[07:01] <airox> black_nightmare: just telnet ? :)
[07:01] <dutch> sig:  I had 1280x1024 working yesterday but changed to 1024x768 while running xbitchx and now,
[07:01] <Guilmon> heh heh heh
[07:01] <blackmoon> Seveas: mmm... i don't remenber the right error message :-(
[07:01] <airox> black_nightmare: Or do you mean a telnet server ?
[07:01] <airox> black_nightmare: Otherwise check out openssh.
[07:02] <dutch> can't get it back..it shows in X11/XF86Config-4
[07:02] <airox> black_nightmare: www.openssh.org (from the openbsd guys)
[07:02] <airox> black_nightmare: apt-get install openssh-server (or openssh-client)
[07:03] <blackmoon> Seveas: the problem appear only with postifix 2.1.5-9ubuntu3
[07:03] <neighborlee> is it known issue ( ubuntu fault or kde ?) that upon installing kubuntu that /dev/dsp has wrong  permissions ?
[07:03] <black_nightmare> just want to be able to use telnet places
[07:03] <black_nightmare> such as telnet://furry.org etc etc
[07:03] <airox> black_nightmare: then just use telnet
[07:03] <folta> hey, does anyone know how to configure a ralink rt2500 wireless card on amd64?
[07:03] <blackmoon> Seveas: now i run postifix 2.1.5-9ubuntu1 and i don't have strange errors...
[07:04] <sig> Dutchy: apt-get --purge remove xbitchx
[07:04] <black_nightmare> hmm so 'apt-get telnet' ?
[07:04] <airox> black_nightmare: I guess it's already there ...
[07:05] <black_nightmare> hmm...let me try 'run program' then....
[07:05] <airox> sheeesh bad hardware sucks big time
[07:06] <delltony> ok something i don't get why doesn't hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc work working by meaning it says operation permission denied i have tried it with sudo and i have even tried it as root same error and dma is 0 on my dvd drive and i need it to change to 1 and i know the drive supports it cause i use to do it all the time in warty
[07:07] <black_nightmare> hmm tried 'run programs' then typed in 'telnet'
[07:07] <black_nightmare> no results at all :|
[07:08] <airox> black_nightmare: Just startup a terminal.
[07:08] <airox> black_nightmare: Then try telnet. It will work.
[07:08] <black_nightmare> ah duh...ty :)
[07:08] <paolo> Hi guys! Happy Easter to all of you! I have just installed Ubuntu on a pc that is behind a ip masquerader. I set the static ip, and I gave the correct host and gateway, but the ubuntu machine doesn't see beyond the gateway (ping x.y.z.t. doesn't get response). Any hint? Thank you!
[07:09] <black_nightmare> bye now ;)
[07:10] <airox> paolo: Open a terminal and show us the 'route' output. Please use a pastebin.
[07:10] <delltony> anyone?
[07:10] <Savant> Hullo all :)
[07:10] <PacoBCN> weird, last apache updates force me to delete php4 and mysql packages...
[07:10] <djp> very keen here to stick with Richard Stallman's Four Freedoms philosophy, but also want to be able to view xvid files. Is this in any way possible, without compromising?
[07:10] <Baptiste> is it possible to force the installation of ubuntu?
[07:10] <Savant> that is wierd PacoBCN
[07:10] <PacoBCN> Savant, did you see it too?
[07:10] <Baptiste> Once more time I've this problem
[07:11] <Savant> ill try it now PacoBCN
[07:11] <Baptiste> I can't install ubuntu hoary
[07:11] <pe7er> Baptiste, how, why?
[07:11] <Savant> what stops you Baptiste ?
[07:11] <Baptiste> an error
[07:11] <Baptiste> this error
[07:11] <PacoBCN> Savant, apache2-mpm-prefork, libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-mysql have to be uninstalled...
[07:11] <Baptiste> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-17860.html
[07:12] <Baptiste> on hoary
[07:12] <Baptiste> when the installation of the base system rises 27 %
[07:12] <Savant> and this is when you upgrade apache2, not apache right?
[07:12] <PacoBCN> Savant, apache2, correct
[07:13] <paolo> airox: where is the pastebin?
[07:13] <djp> very keen here to stick with Richard Stallman's Four Freedoms philosophy, but also want to be able to view xvid files. Is this in any way possible, without compromising?
[07:13] <PacoBCN> Savant, but there is also an update of apache2-mpm-prefork :)
[07:13] <Baptiste> it stops and tells me this "Debootstrap error vouldn't retrieve ubuntu-keyring"
[07:13] <airox> paolo: www.pastebin.com
[07:13] <PacoBCN> Savant, which is one of the packs to delete
[07:14] <Baptiste> the url well underlines that it is not a problem of the cd
[07:14] <airox> Am I able to resize NTFS in the hoary installation ?
[07:14] <Baptiste> so I would like to force the installation
[07:15] <pe7er> djp: i don't know about stallman's "four freedoms philosophy" (never read about it) but i guess you'd have to choose theora instead of xvid. if its possible i'd like to know it aswell because i know some folks who'd like to release a fine agitprop short movie but don't because xvid isn't truely 'free'.
[07:15] <Savant> hmmm it didnt make be do it PacoBCN
[07:15] <Savant> upgraded as usual...
[07:15] <PacoBCN> Savant, weird
[07:15] <PacoBCN> ok, I'll upgrade too
[07:15] <Baptiste> is it possible to write something to force the installation
[07:15] <Baptiste> despite some errors
[07:16] <Baptiste> which don't exist
[07:16] <paulproteus> djp: XViD is GPL.
[07:16] <miguez> have Ubuntu running on brand new machine, wanna install Windows XP now, with dua booting capability.  What's the word?
[07:16] <miguez> have QTParted installed, btw, just in case I need it
[07:16] <Savant> do you maybe have an extra repository that might host apache2?
[07:16] <paulproteus> djp: VLC, mplayer, xine should be able to play it out of the box.
[07:16] <pe7er> paulproteus, but there are patent issues with the format, aren't they?
[07:16] <paulproteus> miguez: It'll be harder to make it work in that direction.
[07:16] <pe7er> *there
[07:17] <Savant> PacoBCN, do you maybe have an extra repository that might host apache2?
[07:17] <paulproteus> pe7er: In the US, there may be; and I am in the US.  I haven't been following that carefully.
[07:17] <miguez> paulproteus:  Yeah, I know, easier if WIndows was already in, but is it possible?
[07:17] <PacoBCN> Savant, I think I solved it
[07:17] <paulproteus> In general, Debian doesn't ship patent-encumbered software, so if it's in the main Debian archives, then it's fine.
[07:17] <Seveas> Savant, apache2 is in ubuntu main
[07:17] <PacoBCN> Savant, after synaptic marked it as pack to delete I forced it to upgrade it again
[07:17] <PacoBCN> Savant, seems to have worked so far
[07:17] <airox> miguez: Yep, it's possible. Make a free partition, install windows xp on that partition. Then use a rescue disk to get into the linux partition. Alter the grub configuration then do update-grub.
[07:18] <PacoBCN> Savant, yes, it's all right
[07:18] <Savant> PacoBCN, awesome
[07:18] <paulproteus> miguez: It will be possible.
[07:18] <djp> paulproteus: excellent, thanks. so no need for codecs then? totem tries to play xvid, but only playsback sound, the screen remains black...
[07:18] <miguez> airox: can i use QTParted to make a free partition?  never used it before, been looking around, didn't ave much success
[07:19] <paulproteus> djp: totem-xine should handle it fine.  Have you tried it?
[07:19] <vmrocha> miguez, yes, you can
[07:19] <blueyed> Is it possible to have different language settings per user?
[07:20] <paulproteus> blueyed: In fact, Hoary lets you pick a language on login.
[07:20] <miguez> vmrocha, mind telling me the steps?
[07:20] <airox> paulproteus: Good idea.
[07:20] <blueyed> paulproteus, great.. I'm testing the live preview, so I did not see this (yet).
[07:20] <sdeppert> hey can someone help me on here please?
[07:21] <Myrtti> sdeppert: not if you don't ask first
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> sdeppert,   and the issue is?
[07:21] <Myrtti> no telepathics yet
[07:21] <paolo> airox: I posted the route output in the pastebin
[07:21] <sdeppert> here I'll show you hold on
[07:21] <a_monkey> can anybody please tell me if they're using an apple eMac with ubuntu?
[07:22] <Savant> the answer to your problem sdeppert is mittens
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> a_mason,  useing an imac dv... but no emac
[07:22] <sdeppert> mittens lol
[07:22] <pe7er> any ideas about those weired python-qt3 dependencies i've been asking about? if it is in fact a problem not related to my usage i'd like to report it. but then again i've never done it before, so i could need a pointing finger.
[07:22] <Savant> mittens always help
[07:22] <djp> paulproteus: that could be my other alternative to xine-gui. really wanted to keep the gstreamer functionality of totem if i could though. decisions, decisions ... ;)
[07:22] <swat42572> hello everyone
[07:22] <a_monkey> hm
[07:22] <sdeppert> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed
[07:22] <sdeppert> steven@ubuntu:~$
[07:23] <sdeppert> theres my problem
[07:23] <blueyed> Can I login as another user without logging of?
[07:23] <a_monkey> i heard ubuntu detects apple displays well
[07:23] <Baptiste> no solutions?
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> a_mason,  well my little imac has evrhting shfted over.. and its an annoyance. :P but i blame apple for that.
[07:23] <paulproteus> blueyed: There's a "New Login" thing in the menus that's relevant to you.
[07:23] <swat42572> I'm attempting to install hoary on an imac 266 with osx on it-dual boot, disk repartitioned, the whole nine yards
[07:23] <a_monkey> what app does it use to detect the tech specs of monitors?
[07:24] <swat42572> anyway, after the first stage on installation, when my computer reboots, it hangs on a white screen
[07:24] <a_monkey> or do you select your monitor from a list?
[07:24] <blueyed> paulproteus, yes with Applications / system tools. Thanks.
[07:24] <hgoesm> do someone know if mplayer will get an official ubuntu packages?
[07:24] <pe7er> a_monkey, a google for your monitor's tech specs will propably help
[07:24] <a_monkey> pe7er: i tried that many a time
[07:25] <a_monkey> pe7er: apple doesn't release that info for its montors :(
[07:25] <a_monkey> so i though maybe ubuntu used some nifty tool to detect the tech specs
[07:25] <sdeppert> steven@ubuntu:~$
[07:25] <pe7er> a_monkey what kind of brand is it? i don't think you can detect it with software without the possibility of damaging it (if pnp doesn't do it)
[07:26] <pe7er> a_monkey: apple ok
[07:26] <a_monkey> pe7er: yeh
[07:26] <Savant> sdeppert, read the first few lines of /etc/xorg.conf
[07:26] <Savant> its tell you what to do
[07:27] <dockane> i would like to install the vlc media player .. what is the best way to do that ? (apt-cache search vlc gives no result)
[07:27] <Roey> hi all.
[07:27] <pe7er> dockane: it's in the uni- or multiverse i guess
[07:27] <a_monkey> pe7er: pnp? what's pnp?
[07:27] <delltony> ok something i don't get why doesn't hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc work working by meaning it says operation permission denied i have tried it with sudo and i have even tried it as root same error and dma is 0 on my dvd drive and i need it to change to 1 and i know the drive supports it cause i use to do it all the time in warty
[07:27] <pe7er> a_monkey plug and play
[07:28] <pe7er> dockane: have you enabled them? go to synaptic, select 'settings' > 'repositories' > 'add' and mark all checkboxes, apply
[07:28] <Savant> /etc/X11/xorg.conf rather
[07:28] <a_monkey> pe7er: is that an app i can use?
[07:28] <coreDumped69> anybody able to help? I'm helping a friend set up ubuntu. he's got and onboard i810 and a pci savage, the savage being the primary display. We're trying to get xinerama working across to the i810 but x locks up. I think it may be related to the kernel msg "[drm:i810]  Cannot initialize agpgart module"...
[07:29] <pe7er> a_monkey specification. i don't know any about it except that it used to ruin my computing experience some time in the nineties :)
[07:29] <coreDumped69> works fine with one display, but trying to enable the 2nd makes everything go bad
[07:29] <Brazmetal> How to make a hidden folder?
[07:29] <Brazmetal> in gonme?
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> name it .whatever
[07:30] <pe7er> a_monkey there is perhaps an utility that reads it out, but i'd wonder if it wasn't implemented already,
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> or just fireup a terminal real fast. :P
[07:30] <kakadu> hello
[07:30] <Brazmetal> just like kde?
[07:30] <kakadu> I just try to get RealPlayer working
[07:30] <paolo> airox: did you see the pastebin?
[07:30] <kakadu> can anybody help me?
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> the idea of a 'hidden'  directory - is not related to gnome or kde. :P its  just how the programs see files with . at the start of the names
[07:31] <pe7er> a_monkey, there have have to be some kind of specifications of apple parts somewhere, if not in their knowledge base then somewhere else on the list. afaik apple hardware is very well documented
[07:31] <pe7er> *in the world not on the list
[07:31] <pe7er> at least its kinda standartized
[07:32] <Roey> I compiled a debian kernel (ubuntu technically) with make-kpkg --initrd, and then installed its deb.  On bootup it tells me "raid1 module not found" (despite the fact that I compiled it INTO the kernel, along with XFS)
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. apple hardware is so well documented tht the BeOS guys had to stop supporting it... (but that was like 3+ years ago)
[07:33] <Fackamato> Roey: maybe it's trying to load the raid1 module, which doesn't exist, since it's in the kernel. Or it HAS to be in module format, and is unsupported while compiled in kernel?
[07:34] <Chipzz> does anyone know in what package the gaim icon theme is?
[07:34] <bur[n] er> Chipzz: in gaim?
[07:34] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: obviously not or I wouldn't be asking
[07:34] <Chipzz> I'm not a retard :P
[07:35] <Roey> Fackamato: do you know this for a fact?
[07:35] <bur[n] er> sorry Chipzz ;)  maybe just download those icons from the gaim site?
[07:35] <geneo93> usr/share/app
[07:35] <Ubabe> heh me neither, sad how news to the contrary keeps prooving me wrong! :P
[07:35] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search gaim shows nothing about icons :)
[07:36] <mello> hey fellas, how does one undo the root requirement for a folder
[07:36] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: they should be in a package
[07:36] <noctus> salut
[07:36] <Ubabe> I have a dilemma if i decide to take my PowerPC G3 laptop around without my 2 button mouse
[07:36] <scizzo> Chipzz: ummm?
[07:37] <Ubabe> for some reason Ubuntu PPC doesnt support left click via CTRL-click
[07:37] <Ubabe> unless i need to install something else...?
[07:37] <scizzo> Chipzz: what icon exactly?
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> wouldent that be an X/windowmanager issue?
[07:37] <Ubabe> Dr_willis, how so?
[07:37] <cornholio> there is not operators here ?
[07:37] <cornholio> :O
[07:37] <scizzo> Chipzz: the main icon comes with the gaim packages or are you looking for gaim-data?
[07:37] <Chipzz> HEH?
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> I think ive used ctrl-click under yellow dog.. but i cant recall if that was kde or gnome i was useing at th time
[07:38] <sdeppert> does anyone know anything about the xorg configuration file
[07:38] <Chipzz> when I clicked on the smiley button a few minutes ago it said something like "This smiley theme contains no icons"
[07:38] <paolo>  Hi guys! Happy Easter to all of you! I have just installed Ubuntu on a pc that is behind a ip masquerader. I set the static ip, and I gave the correct host and gateway, but the ubuntu machine doesn't see beyond the gateway (ping x.y.z.t. doesn't get response). The route output is at  http://www.pastebin.com/263379 . Any hint? Thank you!
[07:38] <bur[n] er> Dr_Willis: ctrl+click for what?
[07:38] <Chipzz> scizzo: I then went into preferences, selected the same icon theme, and now it works??
[07:38] <Ubabe> well im making do with my 2 button macally with detected staright away no dramas :)
[07:39] <plagerism> I am using Ubuntus amd64 port, and I am attempting to reinstall ia32-libs.
[07:39] <scizzo> Chipzz: thanks...now you said smiley icon theme
[07:39] <geneo93> Chipzz: /usr/share/pixmaps/gaim/icons
[07:39] <scizzo> Chipzz: have you installed a icon theme or something?
[07:39] <dockane> pe7er  : thnx for the hints. synaptic warsn that dependencies are unsolved. how do i get those libraries installed ?
[07:40] <plagerism> but I get this error message "error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1`: No Such file or directory"
[07:40] <plagerism> How would I track down whats going on
[07:40] <scizzo> Chipzz: do you want to use a new smiley theme or what exactly is going on?
[07:40] <Chipzz> scizzo: default install
[07:40] <Chipzz> smiley theme does NOT work
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> bur[n] er,  to emulate the right mouse button
[07:41] <Roey> plagerism: *plagiarism.
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> I hear apple may come out with a 2 button mouse! wow. :P
[07:41] <Chipzz> I go into preferences, select the smiley theme which is *ALLREADY* selected again
[07:41] <Chipzz> smiley themes work
[07:41] <dutch> jeeeze Ohms, give me a break...
[07:41] <pe7er> dockane, which exactly?
[07:41] <dutch> sorry, wrong channel
[07:41] <scizzo> Chipzz: what protocol are you trying to use the theme with?
[07:41] <plagerism> Anyone have any ideas how would I go about finding out whats going wrong?? I tried extracting the control files from the deb package, but didnt find anything that could help me
[07:42] <Chipzz> scizzo: MSN, but I don't think it matters
[07:42] <plagerism> the file /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 exists
[07:42] <sdeppert> I opened my xorg.conf file and it was empty nothing in it at all does anyone know whats wrong?
[07:42] <Chipzz> scizzo: btw, are you the maintainer of gaim by coincidence?
[07:42] <folta> does anyone know how to go about installing a driver for a wlan card?
[07:43] <plagerism> Anyone have any ideas??
[07:43] <scizzo> Chipzz: no...
[07:43] <scizzo> Chipzz: does that matter?
[07:43] <Chipzz> scizzo: no
[07:43] <scizzo> :)
[07:43] <Chipzz> but I wanted to ask him to include a patch
[07:43] <pe7er> Dr_Willis, i can only guess but i'd think its because they haven't recieved any support by apple? but i'd wonder if there wasn't some brave volounteer out for every piece of hardware they put out.
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> sdeppert,  perhaps the user cant read the file.
[07:44] <Myrtti> WTF? part of my mp3:s have changed themselves to be opened on totem?
[07:44] <scizzo> Chipzz: well I am confused to why the smileys are gone
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> pe7er,  i think that gnome and kde are both configurable to remap a ctrl-click to do what you want.
[07:44] <Myrtti> ftlg
[07:44] <plagerism> join #debian
[07:44] <Chipzz> scizzo: me too
[07:44] <folta> i've found this link: http://www.flamingspork.com/blog/?p=338 but the line with /boot in doesn't have the right file there
[07:44] <dockane> pe7er, dbus-1 / libgcc1 /  libogg0 / wxvlc. may i query you the whole message ?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> pe7er, or at least I seem to recall a disscussion about it once
[07:45] <scizzo> Chipzz: nothing changes if you restart gaim?
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> sdeppert,  try  'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and 'sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:45] <pe7er> Dr_Willis: hm. you must confuse something, i don't have any problems with my powerbook atm since its broke *sniff*
[07:45] <Chipzz> scizzo: it's fixed now
[07:45] <Chipzz> scizzo: after selecting the smiley theme in gaim preferences
[07:46] <Chipzz> didn't have to restart gaim at all
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> pe7er,  lol.. well SOMEONE was complaingig about ther imac and its 1 button mouse under ubuntu
[07:46] <PacoBCN> too bad you can't use Skype with ESD
[07:46] <pe7er> dockane, sure why not, i'll see if it makes sense to me
[07:47] <dockane> pe7er, its german
[07:47] <pe7er> dockane, that's what i am aswell
[07:47] <pe7er> dockane, np, just send it to me or post it at some pastebin
[07:47] <Myrtti> ffs, this is ridiculous
[07:48] <geneo93> no this is debian
[07:48] <Myrtti> FFS. I want my music back to rhythmbox
[07:48] <Myrtti> /me starts to lose it
[07:49] <Ubabe> Anyone here ever used LinuxPPC on a Macintosh and had a right click issue?
[07:49] <geneo93> f12
[07:50] <scizzo> Myrtti: what happened then?
[07:51] <Myrtti> scizzo: part of my mp3's have mysteriously chosen that they don't want to be opened in rhythmbox but in totem
[07:51] <Ubabe> geneo93!!! you genius!!
[07:52] <Ubabe> :D
[07:52] <Myrtti> I have no idea where this s**t originates from
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> Myrtti,  lol.. perhaps some are .mp3 and others are .MP3 ?
[07:52] <scizzo> Myrtti: then what does rhythmbox tell you about the files?
[07:52] <geneo93> na just listen to other ppls problems till i get mine solved
[07:53] <Ubabe> heh geneo93, you a Mac user??
[07:53] <geneo93> no never had one Ubabe
[07:53] <Ubabe> heh dont be ashamed to answer, but dont if you feel itll make you discriminated ;)
[07:53] <Ubabe> aha
[07:53] <Ubabe> ive installed Ubuntu PPC and Ubuntu for PC withg the least amiunt of fuss
[07:54] <geneo93> i have a dual p3
[07:54] <Ubabe> i cannot believe its been this simple
[07:54] <Mitario> does anyone know a webdav installing tutorial for apache?
[07:54] <Myrtti> this baffles me totally
[07:54] <Ubabe> Ubuntu rocks :)
[07:54] <Myrtti> let me see
[07:54] <Brazmetal> just a question
[07:54] <geneo93> Ubabe:  i got kde 3.4 and i love it
[07:55] <Brazmetal> Is there any way to auto-update the gnome menu when I install a new application?
[07:56] <Brazmetal> geneo93: I used Kubuntu with kde 3.4 and nothing works well
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> Brazmetal,  Oh?  ive had no issues.
[07:56] <[nrx_] > i got wlan working
[07:56] <[nrx_] > :)
[07:56] <geneo93> Brazmetal:  i used ubuntu as base then installed kde
[07:56] <ApesMa> I changed /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to add "alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1" and "alias snd-card-1 snd-via82xx", but that seems not to have sufficed to make the emu10k1 board (a SoundBlaster Live) sound card 0. Is there anything I can do other than disable the on-mobo sound in the BIOS?
[07:57] <folta> nrx_, cool, what card?
[07:57] <[nrx_] > dwl-g650+ xtreme
[07:57] <JDahl> folta, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:57] <zenrox> jroes,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:58] <Myrtti> scizzo: it doesn't find them with the search at all
[07:58] <Brazmetal> geneo93: Is there any way to auto-update the gnome menu when I install a new application?
[07:58] <scizzo> Myrtti: do they have weird characters like the swedish characters  ?
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> actually from what ive seen the menu does auto-update.
[07:58] <jroes> is there any info on the dpkg-* commands?
[07:58] <Myrtti> Brazmetal: depending on if it has a .desktop file or not, it should appear on the panel immediately
[07:58] <jroes> thanks zenrox, by the way
[07:59] <Myrtti> scizzo: no, not all of them
[07:59] <Myrtti> not that I know of
[07:59] <spades> jroes: dpkg --help
[07:59] <jroes> thanks spades :)
[07:59] <geneo93> ahh gnomes menu editer is borked in hoary there is a fix though
[07:59] <cornholio> hey.. somebody uses dlink-g520+ wireless card under hoary ???
[07:59] <zenrox> jroes,  n/p
[07:59] <jroes> yikes
[07:59] <jroes> I started xserver-xorg reconfigure
[08:00] <jroes> and I'm getting powernow-k8: failing targ, change pending bit set
[08:00] <jroes> :X
[08:00] <Brazmetal> Myrtti: when I install through apt-get ? in KDE the shortcut goes automatically to the menu
[08:00] <Myrtti> oh no, no no, if this is an issue of locales, nooooo, I just managed to get my locales semiright today
[08:00] <Myrtti> Brazmetal: yes
[08:00] <jroes> I don't think Linux is liking my new athlon64 very much, it already thinks it's a 1000mhz when it's a 2800+, 1.8ghz
[08:00] <folta> could someone help me with my card? it's rt2500 based, it's supposed to have drivers but i don't knopw how to install them
[08:00] <folta> i'm using amd64 btw
[08:00] <Ubabe> Hers a question: if resized a partition to create a new one, like using a tool like PQMAGIC or something like that, will Ubuntu fail to boot or do something crazy like that??
[08:00] <Brazmetal> geneo93: whre?
[08:00] <pe7er> geneo93: an easy way to edit menus in gnome menus hoary? please enlighten us! :)
[08:00] <pe7er> (or me, rather)
[08:01] <geneo93> ubuntu forums
[08:01] <pe7er> ups nasty grammar sorry
[08:01] <Brazmetal> Myrtti: but they don' go to the menu when I install through apt-get...
[08:01] <pe7er> geneo93: i hate forums. but... yes. i'm an ignorant fool. will check
[08:01] <geneo93> Brazmetal:  i dont use gnome
[08:02] <Myrtti> Brazmetal: then they don't have .desktop-file
[08:02] <Brazmetal> :I
[08:02] <FloridaJin> Hello, is there a way to manually set the target for a base installation? For some background, I'm trying to install on a nonstandard disk (not a partitionable one) so I want to skip partitioning but don't know how. (o make things worse, I'm using a text install.)
[08:04] <Br34ch> Hello . . . I had been banging my head against the monitor for the past 10 days . . . because I couldn't get php4 to work with apache2. Now I just tried uninstalling libapache2-mod-php, and it gave me a message "This module is already disabled, or does not exist!" Obviously it once existed . . . but any ideas on how I can maybe enable it? any hints would be great . . .
[08:05] <Br34ch> !ping
[08:05] <jroes> hmm, dpkg didn't ask me this many questions when I first set up X, and it worked very quickly and easily with the crappy onboard video I had... now that it's asked me more questions, it won't start :P
[08:06] <Br34ch> !ping
[08:06] <CB201> hey guys
[08:07] <CB201> can someone tell me how to *write* to my windows partition?
[08:07] <FloridaJin> What's the filesystem?
[08:07] <CB201> what do you mean?
[08:07] <FloridaJin> NTFS? FAT?
[08:07] <CB201> oh
[08:07] <CB201> NTFS
[08:08] <FloridaJin> Hmm. I'm pretty sure that support is still pretty experimental
[08:08] <CB201> okay
[08:08] <geneo93> its posible but not recomended
[08:08] <FloridaJin> Write support is dangerous last I heard, and you have to compile a custom kernel
[08:08] <mello> hey fellas, how does one undo the root requirement for a folder?
[08:09] <CB201> I tried edting fstab but it's still just read-only
[08:09] <Br34ch> Delete it, and make it with regular user? :p
[08:09] <edulix> hi !
[08:09] <Br34ch> Actually, don't follow anything I saw . . . I'm a lynx nub
[08:09] <FloridaJin> Yeah, you have to enable support in the kernel
[08:09] <Br34ch> say*
[08:09] <edulix> why I cannot find jedit in the repositories ?
[08:09] <spades> gedit
[08:09] <FloridaJin> And it probably isn't a good idea if you aren't testing...
[08:10] <jroes> haha, I should have given it better sync ranges for my monitor, it looks like it's going to explode
[08:10] <edulix> spades: Jedit
[08:10] <spades> edulix unless you mean jed
[08:10] <edulix> :P
[08:10] <spades> jed: Editor for programmers. (textmode version)
[08:10] <geneo93> mello:  chown -R 777 (folder)
[08:10] <FloridaJin> Anyone know of a way to manually set/mount a target disk for installation?
[08:10] <zenrox> spades, also nano
[08:11] <FloridaJin> (Gotta skip partitioning in the install dialogue.. long story.. using text install)
[08:11] <spades> zenrox: i use nano, but edulix is looking for something else
[08:11] <mello> geneo93, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[08:11] <zeedo> geneo93: that was nowhere near right or advisable
[08:11] <Lathiat> Anyone alive that can test soemthign out for me
[08:11] <mello> yeah
[08:11] <mello> nevermind.
[08:11] <mello> that was my bad, copy/paste =] 
[08:11] <geneo93> hey thats what i use all the timeeeeeeee
[08:11] <Ubabe> geneo93: any idea if any Linux x86 programs could run on my mac, or would I need to find a seperate Linux PPC install?
[08:12] <cornholio> hey.. somebody uses dlink-g520+ wireless card under hoary ???
[08:12] <zeedo> geneo93: be simplerto change ownership, and would definitely be more secure
[08:12] <mello> thanks
[08:12] <mjr> Ubabe, some linux/x86 programs might run under linux/ppc with qemu (google for it)
[08:13] <CB201> 'nother question
[08:13] <[nrx_] > hm
[08:13] <Ubabe> qemu? yup google it i will...
[08:13] <bit0> hi!, how could i configure java in openoffice1.9.76-0ubuntu?
[08:13] <Guilmon> qemu has an acceleration port
[08:13] <Cubey> hiyo
[08:13] <geneo93> Ubabe:  there should be more ppc apps in universe
[08:13] <CB201> how do I alter the time it takes for Linux to go into sleep mode
[08:14] <CB201> ?
[08:14] <Cubey> what file do you edit for modules that boot upon boot? Typically it's /etc/rc.d/rc.modules but that file doesn't seem to exist... :\
[08:14] <FloridaJin> Ok, does anyone even know that directory on the tree the install target is mounted to?
[08:14] <Cubey> to load upon boot*
[08:14] <PacoBCN> I'm experiencing a very bad problem. SOme times, when I play Enemy Territory my computer shuts down, I think due to high temperature.
[08:14] <djp> quick clear up here. if i install xine-gui on a vanilla ubuntu install, will i be able to watch xvid files?
[08:14] <PacoBCN> It's a laptop
[08:14] <spades> Cubey: /etc/modules
[08:15] <mjr> djp, at least on my amd64 ubuntu I have been able to do that
[08:15] <mjr> djp, also with totem-xine
[08:15] <Cubey> spades: ah. thanks. i'll do that and see
[08:16] <djp> mjy: which would you recommend xine-gui or totem-xine?
[08:16] <PacoBCN> is there a way to avoid my laptop to over heat?
[08:17] <mjr> djp, totem-xine has a nicer GUI in my opinion, and integrates better with gnome, so that
[08:17] <Cubey> I'm used to using slackware. ;) An org. i'm volunteering with, who accepts dontaed computers and then repairs them and offers low income people to get one free if they complete their (free) computer course... and everything gets linux installed on 'em. so i need to get used to ubuntu since that's one distro that's used
[08:17] <djp> mjr: do i still need to gstreamer0.8-plugins installed for mozplugger compatibility if i install totem-xine?
[08:18] <mjr> djp, I dunno about mozplugger or the relation to totem, but if you install it, at least totem won't use gstreamer anymore
[08:18] <Ubabe> geneo93: i did a read up on qemu and it keeps saying that PowerPC processor development is in progress, hrm
[08:19] <Ubabe> im imagining things could really screw up if im not careful, yeah?
[08:19] <geneo93> Ubabe:  i would enable all the repositories in synaptic and see whats there
[08:19] <djp> mjr: ok, thanks
[08:19] <mjr> Ubabe, hmh, at least the status page says that PPC hosts are "OK"
[08:20] <Ubabe> mrj so i read yeah
[08:20] <Ubabe> anyway i gotta reboot, catch you fellas later :)
[08:21] <Br34ch> I'll give a kiss to whoever can help me . . . I tried php4 to work with apache2 . . . couldn't, upon removal, I just got the message "This module was disabled, or never existed!" It existed . . . I've installed the file (libapache2-mod-php4) again . . . can someone give me a hint on how I can perhaps re-enabled it?
[08:21] <Cubey> spades: ah yes, i edited that earlier but wasn't sure if it was right, but it was. :)
[08:23] <Cubey> now to see if i can get the sound working, hmm..
[08:24] <Bazzi-> Br34ch for php, I suggest compiling it yourself.
[08:25] <folta> i'm trying to install ndiswrapper, and i have an amd-64 kernel, but that kernel doesn't have a linux-source-(version) package in the repository, do i need to switch to a different kernel and then do the patch?
[08:25] <Bazzi-> folta did you add the universe repos?
[08:26] <mjr> folta, you can't, to the best of my knowledge, run 32-bit ndis drivers with ndiswrapper on amd64
[08:26] <mjr> (when using an amd64 kernel, that is)
[08:26] <Bazzi-> oh yeah, that, too
[08:27] <bodhi> hi
[08:27] <bodhi> i am trying to use gnokii, but  can connect, anyone can help me?
[08:28] <folta> i added universe, yeah. and it says that as of v1.0 64 bit drivers are supported
[08:28] <Cubey> LOL that was easy enough. "modprobe sb" ;P
[08:28] <Br34ch> Bazzi-: I'm a nub . . . to Linux as well, compiling it myself . . . how much time will it take, and how much knowledge does it require on my part?
[08:28] <mjr> folta, ok then
[08:28] <Bazzi-> Br34ch so I take it you never compiled anything yet?
[08:28] <jas_MHz> what is the xwindows config file called ??
[08:29] <mjr> jas_MHz, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for Warty, xorg.conf for Hoary
[08:29] <Br34ch> Bazzi: Nope
[08:29] <Br34ch> Bazzi: It has only been a few days since I've started to know Linux
[08:30] <Bazzi-> mmmmh :)
[08:30] <jas_MHz> w00t - Hoary no hassle setup on amd64 nforce3 & nvidia5600 - Sweet thx Ubuntu Gods
[08:30] <Cubey> hmmm. totem movie player doesn't even work :X it just freezes up
[08:30] <Bazzi-> still you should better learn that now or never
[08:30] <Roey> a pox on the Ubuntu gods!
[08:30] <zenrox> Bazzi,  is right
[08:30] <Roey> they hath forsaken me!
[08:30] <Br34ch> Bazzi-: Any helpful directions, links, you can push me to? :s
[08:30] <Bazzi-> Br34ch get the build-essential package, then the php source code from php.net/downloads and do a ./configure
[08:31] <Bazzi-> from that point we can help you here easily
[08:31] <zenrox> yep
[08:31] <Br34ch> Did you just tell me what do do? o.0
[08:31] <Br34ch> I mean
[08:31] <tidalwav1> So yeah...I am STILL having wireless problems
[08:31] <zenrox> Br34ch, do a sudo apt-get build-essential
[08:31] <Seveas> tidalwav1, who hasn't :)
[08:31] <Br34ch> Those were short directions . . . I am thankful for the help, but I've been kicked around enough that I'd rather get big docs now :x
[08:32] <tidalwav1> I was able to get my wireless working using linux-wlan-ng, but I have to run a shell script every time I want to use the net.
[08:32] <Seveas> Br34ch, if you want to compile anything, you need build-essential, it is exactly what the name suggests it is :)
[08:32] <tidalwav1> I was able to use ndiswrapper, as well, but for some reason when the ndiswrapper module is loaded my keyboard becomes messed up
[08:32] <tidalwav1> so I'm kind of stuck
[08:32] <Br34ch> But okies, I'll do as you say . . . I hope it really is as short as you guys have said
[08:32] <Seveas> the big bad manuals for gcc, gmake and autoconf and stuff ara available on www.gnu.org
[08:32] <tidalwav1> I can't make the thing connect on boot with the shell script, and I can't use ndiswrapper because it messes up my keyboard
[08:33] <zenrox> Br34ch, that part is short
[08:33] <Br34ch> root@tosh:/home/khan # sudo apt-get build-essential -//- E: Invalid operation build-essential
[08:33] <Seveas> apt-get install build-essential
[08:33] <tidalwav1> br34ch: apt-get install build-essentia; :)
[08:33] <Br34ch> Oh, right
[08:33] <zenrox> lol
[08:33] <zenrox> and i cant spell
[08:33] <tidalwav1> anyone know why modprobing ndiswrapper would mess up a keyboard?
[08:33] <Seveas> tidalwav1, what does the script do that you can't put in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:34] <folta> i also have the option of using linux drivers, but i have the same problem - i can't get the kernel source that corresponds to my kernel
[08:34] <azreal> meow!
[08:34] <tidalwav1> seveas: h/o, it's like three lines, I'll paste it in here
[08:34] <gargamel> :)
[08:34] <Ubabe> back to me ;)
[08:34] <tidalwav1> seveas: sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable
[08:34] <tidalwav1> sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="DICKHOME" authtype="opensystem"
[08:34] <tidalwav1> sudo dhclient wlan0
[08:35] <Ubabe> any Mac users here?
[08:35] <gargamel> hello there
[08:35] <tidalwav1> the SSID incorporates my last name, unfortunately--I'm not a pervert
[08:35] <tidalwav1> lol
[08:35] <Ubabe> hellu Gargamel :)
[08:35] <Seveas> tidalwav1, just put tose lines in the interfaces file
[08:35] <tidalwav1> seveas: that will actually work?
[08:35] <Seveas> omit the sudo part of course
[08:35] <tidalwav1> it will run commands?
[08:35] <Ubabe> im gonna ask what sounds like s tupid qn, might be valid though...
[08:35] <Seveas> tidalwav1, set the interface to manual
[08:35] <Br34ch> First, it told me to "apt-get update" because there are problems, now that I've done it, it's giving me unpleasent, presumably error, symbols: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%20
[08:35] <folta> i can see a linux-headers and linux-image package, but not a linux-source package
[08:35] <tidalwav1> I thuoght it just tells it how to find the net card
[08:36] <tidalwav1> okay, I'll try it
[08:36] <Seveas> tidalwav1, if you set the interface to manual, you can add these lines as pre-p or up commands
[08:36] <Seveas> so pre-up iface wlan0 up
[08:36] <tidalwav1> seveas: what?
[08:36] <tidalwav1> lol
[08:36] <Br34ch> And lots of those, alike the one
[08:36] <Seveas> up wlanctlng-stuff
[08:36] <Ubabe> Ive gone to the Firefox website toi get the latest edition, but im getting the option of Linux i686
[08:36] <Seveas> up dhclient wlan0
[08:36] <tidalwav1> ahhh okay
[08:36] <Ubabe> but im running a Linux PPC machine here
[08:37] <f00f_bug> is there a way to turn off tap-to-click in X? i can't seem to figure it out :(
[08:37] <Seveas> read man 5 interfaces for details
[08:37] <Bazzi-> Br34ch seems like you dont have the packages from the cdrom on your disk
[08:37] <tidalwav1> seveas: so basically I just replaces the sudos with up?
[08:37] <gargamel> I was wondering if some of you managed to make the alt key work as the Meta key in irssi for example
[08:37] <tidalwav1> *replaces
[08:37] <tidalwav1> DAMMIT, replace
[08:37] <tidalwav1> llo
[08:37] <Br34ch> Bazzi: I do have the Ubuntu disc right now . . . any short and easy ways out of this?
[08:37] <zenrox> Br34ch, put your cd in
[08:38] <jcdenton> hi
[08:38] <Seveas> tidalwav1, basically yes
[08:38] <zenrox> then re update
[08:38] <tidalwav1> okay
[08:38] <Seveas> dont forget the pre-up ifconfig wlan0 up
[08:38] <tidalwav1> seveas: before everything else?
[08:38] <Seveas> after: iface wlan0 manual
[08:38] <tidalwav1> seveas: okay, and then my modified script
[08:39] <Seveas> yep
[08:39] <tidalwav1> k, I'll try it :)
[08:39] <alterim> hey tidalwav
[08:39] <alterim> i'm about to try the Linuxant method now...!
[08:39] <tidalwav1> hi again alterim :)
[08:39] <tidalwav1> alterim: why? isn't that needlessly complex :p
[08:39] <alterim> apparently it's the simplest way
[08:40] <jroes> hmm
[08:40] <Br34ch> I've put the disc in . . . should I now go on with "apt-get update" and expect it to recognize all that is to be, and on from that?
[08:40] <randabis> linuxant is not free iirc
[08:40] <alterim> who cares if it's not free
[08:40] <tidalwav1> Seveas, this is what I have: iface wlan0 manual
[08:40] <tidalwav1> pre-up ifconfig wlan0 up
[08:40] <tidalwav1> up  wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable
[08:40] <tidalwav1> up wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="whatever"
[08:40] <tidalwav1> authtype="opensystem"
[08:40] <tidalwav1> up dhclient wlan0
[08:40] <alterim> it's free for 30 days and i need wireless for 20
[08:40] <jroes> an application can't find libSDL, but I found it in /usr/lib/, do I need to set a certain environment variable?
[08:40] <randabis> heh
[08:40] <tidalwav1> seveas: look correct? should I reboot, now? ;)
[08:43] <Br34ch> I've put the disc in . . . should I now go on with "apt-get update" and expect it to recognize all that is to be, and on from that? <-- :x
[08:43] <zenrox> yep
[08:44] <alterim> okay. i need to make sure i have kernel-source and gcc
[08:44] <Br34ch> Kinda confusing... on "apt-get update," I get this: W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:44] <alterim> how do i do this?
[08:45] <Tavy> Probably check under the control panel for any kind of package management, it should have a list of installed packages.
[08:45] <randabis> Br34ch you might want to make sure that the cdrom is the only source uncommented in sources.list before doing the apt-get update
[08:45] <Bazzi> Br34ch do you have broadband?
[08:45] <Br34ch> Yes, broadband
[08:46] <Bazzi> mmmh, you can enable online update then :)
[08:46] <Bazzi> no need for cdrom
[08:46] <randabis> alterim, apt-get install linux-headers for the kernel you are running and apt-get install build-essential
[08:46] <neighborlee> what is the fix to permissions for /dev/nvidia* that on boot are constantly reverting to root.video ??
[08:46] <alterim> randabis. i have no. sodding. internet
[08:47] <randabis> you should be able to pull those packages from the cdrom alterim
[08:47] <Bazzi> goebelmeier?
[08:47] <goebelmeier> Bazzi?
[08:47] <Bazzi> :o
[08:47] <goebelmeier> ;)
[08:47] <goebelmeier> huhu
[08:48] <alterim> how do i pull them off the cdrom?
[08:48] <randabis> personally I'd go with ndiswrapper...easier to do provided that your wireless card is compatible
[08:48] <[nrx_] > loveit.
[08:48] <alterim> randabis
[08:48] <Br34ch> But what of this: <Bazzi-> Br34ch seems like you dont have the packages from the cdrom on your disk -- furthermore, please give me a few more directions on what to do exactly (or maybe a link, for that matter)
[08:48] <alterim> i've been trying for days with ndiswrapper
[08:48] <alterim> and i can't get it to do anything
[08:48] <[nrx_] > alterim
[08:48] <Bazzi> Br34ch well look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the urls
[08:48] <[nrx_] > i just got mine working :)
[08:48] <alterim> nrx what guide did you use?
[08:48] <randabis> you have to set your cdrom as the only apt source in sources.list
[08:48] <tidalwav1> alterim, I didn't remember: did ndiswrapper -l say "driver present, hardware present"?
[08:49] <[nrx_] > i didn't use ndiswrapper
[08:49] <alterim> hmm cannot remember
[08:49] <tidalwav1> if it did you were really close
[08:49] <[nrx_] > was going down that route.. then went with the acx-driver route
[08:49] <tidalwav1> you should reboot and try it
[08:49] <alterim> what i did want to do is erase any changes i made to the networking gui
[08:49] <tidalwav1> alterim: the networking gui edits /etc/network/interfaces
[08:49] <randabis> acx-driver will only work for wireless networks that do not use WEP
[08:49] <alterim> nrx_ i tried the acx100 route also, no luck
[08:49] <tidalwav1> which is the file I'm currently having trouble with
[08:49] <dockane> i am currently dist upgrading and my hd is going to be full before all packets are downloaded, how will ubuntu react ?
[08:49] <tidalwav1> anyone want to help me?
[08:50] <Br34ch> Bazzi: I presume I'd be able to do that by opening /etc/apt/sources.list in a simply text editor, and removing the #'s?
[08:50] <jas_MHz> whats the command to unbzip
[08:50] <mjr> bunzip2
[08:50] <Bazzi> Br34ch yes.
[08:50] <tidalwav1> argh how complex could the interfaces file be
[08:50] <randabis> tar can also uncompress bzip2 tar files
[08:50] <tidalwav1> mine isn't working
[08:51] <tidalwav1> anyone knowledgeable abuot the interfaces file? :p
[08:52] <geneo93> fileroller works good
[08:52] <mrproper> How do I edit the menu in Horay?
[08:52] <randabis> you can't
[08:52] <randabis> not in gnome anyway
[08:52] <tidalwav1> mrproper: which menu
[08:52] <mrproper> tidalwav1, Applications
[08:52] <randabis> well, technically you can
[08:53] <randabis> it's not an easy task by any means though
[08:53] <mrproper> Because I isntalled some Java stuff and I don't want my Java stuff showing up in there.
[08:54] <Br34ch> Just realized . . . I forgot why I'm doing this for . . . my problem was basically php4 not working with apache1.3 Anyways, I did "apt-cdrom add," and everything seems to be fine now (thanks on whoever suggested those things, or of the sort) Now, I was told be someone, to compile php myself. I was looking at some manuals last night, on how to compile the kernel . . . within it, it said several files were mandatory . . . like kernel-headers, ma
[08:54] <Br34ch> ke, and so on . . . to compile php, what exactly do I need to get started here? (And how much time would this task take? ..just curious)
[08:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> whoops
[08:55] <jroes> br34ch to compile php+apache or linux?
[08:55] <alterim> haha
[08:55] <alterim> i was told 'be someone'
[08:55] <Br34ch> Just php, apparently.
[08:55] <Br34ch> by*
[08:55] <alterim> BE SOMEONE, MAN
[08:55] <Bazzi> Br34ch dont bother compiling the kernel yet.
[08:56] <jroes> you don't need to compile php into the kernel
[08:56] <jroes> you can't
[08:56] <jroes> they are separate from each other :P
[08:56] <alterim> i oughta update my kernel to 686
[08:56] <Bazzi> Br34ch ideally, php tells you what you need to compile it
[08:56] <jroes> php.net has a complete step-by-step guide
[08:56] <jroes> on how to compile apache, php, mysql and everything
[08:56] <Br34ch> Bazzi: I have several other problems . . . like soundcard not working, acpi problems, and such on . . . but I'm willing to lay that to rest for now
[08:56] <jroes> a kernel compile would be a separate thing
[08:56] <jroes> you can load kernel modules for your soundcard stuff probably
[08:56] <Br34ch> alterim: Haven't slept for the past 50+ hours, I deserve a damn break!
[08:57] <alterim> haven't slept for 50 hours? that's stupid
[08:57] <alterim> go to bed now, fool
[08:57] <jroes> yeah :P
[08:57] <Br34ch> jroes: And not recompile the entire kernel? I think I remember reading something on that
[08:57] <alterim> nevermind a poxy operating system
[08:57] <Br34ch> I have not one job, (not two either, three actually) unlike some people. But let's not speak of that now
[08:57] <Bazzi> Br34ch recompiling the ekrnel is almist never required
[08:58] <randabis> The ubuntu kernels are pretty comprehensive...I don't see any need to recompile one from scratch
[08:58] <Roey> randabis: er
[08:58] <Roey> randabis: I'm having massive trouble
[08:58] <Roey> randabis: principally it has to do with the kernel not being able to load a raid /
[08:59] <randabis> well, that's different
[08:59] <Br34ch> How daunting of a task is this? Takes how much times exactly? (For recompiling the kernel) And how much time would it take to simply compile . . . php4? (As I was suggested by someone here a few seconds ago)
[08:59] <randabis> I'm just speaking from a general user's perspective without exotic hardware
[08:59] <Roey> (software raid is exotic??)
[08:59] <magnon> Setting up base-files (3.1.0ubuntu2) ...
[08:59] <magnon> /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst: line 92: /var/log/btmp: Permission denied
[09:00] <magnon> ^anyone know what that is about?
[09:00] <Bazzi> Br34ch compiling php takes like 5 minute
[09:00] <randabis> Roey, yes, most desktop computers do not use RAID
[09:00] <Br34ch> magnon: Do it with root? o.0
[09:00] <magnon> Br34ch: done it
[09:00] <Br34ch> Ahh, got it. Thanks . . . I think I'll do that
[09:00] <Roey> randabis: software raid?
[09:00] <magnon> I can't access the file in any way
[09:00] <Roey> randabis: c'mon, I was using it fine till I installed ubuntu.
[09:00] <Br34ch> magnon: Maybe the file is read-only or something? o.0
[09:00] <magnon> root@thefridge:/var/log# ls -l btmp
[09:00] <magnon> ls: btmp: Permission denied
[09:01] <randabis> Roey, when I said RAID, I was speaking of both hardware and software
[09:01] <Roey> randabis: software raid is 100% part of the linux kernel
[09:01] <magnon> I can't chown it or change permissions
[09:01] <magnon> can't update any packages because of that
[09:02] <Br34ch> magnon: Sorry, I couldn't imagine what it is . . . I'm a nub, maybe randabis or someone can help you with that (since they seem pretty 1337) :p
[09:02] <alterim> i have a question about synaptic, can anyone help?
[09:02] <neighborlee> alterim: shoot
[09:02] <Br34ch> alterim: I don't know, can anyone?
[09:02] <Br34ch> :D Ask, unless it's about asking :P
[09:03] <magnon> Br34ch: thanks for caring though :)
[09:03] <zone17> does anyone have any experience installing ubuntu over network?
[09:03] <nubbe> Is there any list of apps with explanation except going thru synaptic?
[09:03] <Br34ch> magnon: Happy to help with whatever I can . . . anytime
[09:03] <alterim> well, when i check an unchecked box and click apply
[09:03] <alterim> it says xxx kb installed
[09:03] <alterim> xxx kb to be downloaded
[09:04] <alterim> but it still says installation complete afterwards
[09:04] <alterim> however i have no net connection
[09:04] <alterim> so how can anything have been 'downloaded' ?
[09:04] <neighborlee> alterim: i'd have to see complete output ..and no its not possible ;-)
[09:05] <dockane> i am currenty downloading packetfiles and my hd is going to be full before all files are here. what may i delete to get free space for the distupgrade ?
[09:05] <randabis> it is possible if the cdrom is set as the apt source
[09:05] <alterim> i dont understand the whole package thing though
[09:05] <alterim> for example, after fresh install of ubuntu 5.04
[09:06] <zone17> why when I try to install ubuntu from network, I don't have the possibility to partition the harddisk?
[09:06] <alterim> some boxes are unchecked
[09:06] <alterim> is the software for those actually on the hard drive, and not installed
[09:06] <alterim> or is it not on the hd at all
[09:06] <alterim> is it on cd?! what?!
[09:06] <alterim> why would they put software on the hd but not have it installed. i don't understand it all
[09:07] <randabis> they don't put software on the hard drive that isn't installed
[09:07] <randabis> the unchecked boxes are simply programs you don't have installed
[09:07] <nubbe> alterim, U got a list of available packets, on cd and/or net
[09:07] <alterim> so why for example, was there a package 'ndiswrapper-utils' in the development tab, that was unchecked?!
[09:07] <randabis> because it is not installed
[09:08] <alterim> so where is it?! where does that file reside?!
[09:08] <nubbe> because u don't want ALL packets
[09:08] <alterim> and if i have no net, how does it know it's even anywhere
[09:08] <nubbe> on cd and/or net
[09:08] <randabis> on the cdrom most likely or on the internet
[09:08] <nubbe> up to u to install if  u want it
[09:08] <alterim> ok, so why when i checked the box, did it not ask me for a cd
[09:08] <alterim> it simply said installation complete
[09:08] <randabis> he needs to install it if he wants ndiswrapper
[09:09] <randabis> because you don't have the cdrom set as an apt source probably
[09:09] <alterim> but surely it would have said 'insert the cdrom'
[09:09] <alterim> ?!
[09:09] <alterim> rather than lead me to believe it had installed
[09:09] <randabis> it will if the cdrom is an apt source
[09:09] <alterim> '22kb to be downloaded' - no cd in drive, no net connection - yet installation complete
[09:09] <alterim> that isn't right, surely
[09:10] <randabis> probably something the synaptic developers overlooked
[09:10] <alterim> hmmm
[09:10] <nubbe> I'm gusessing, but maybe u got some uninstalled packets from the original install in a cache of some sort
[09:11] <randabis> but at any rate, you should remove all apt sources except the cdrom from the repositories menu until you get your net connection going
[09:11] <alterim> how do i do that?
[09:11] <alterim> and apt means?
[09:11] <nubbe> edit source.lst
[09:11] <alterim> oh ok repositories menu
[09:11] <nubbe> or use synaptic
[09:11] <randabis> list not lst
[09:11] <alterim> grr. repositories menu or edit sources.lst
[09:11] <nubbe> okidoki
[09:12] <alterim> (again, peopple telling me two different things)
[09:12] <randabis> just use the repositories menu
[09:12] <nubbe> they r the same
[09:12] <nubbe> just diff ways of doing it
[09:12] <randabis> we've told you two different things because there are different ways to do the same thing
[09:12] <randabis> that's the beauty of linux
[09:12] <jas_MHz> I apt-get installed the nvidia drivers but glgears is still at 50fps surely it should be 300fps ?
[09:13] <randabis> if graphical tools fail, there are usually ways to do the same thing by editing text files or using the command line
[09:13] <alterim> don't tell me, there's an even easier way, all i have to do is bypass the xproc float and recapsulate the buffertron shields, enabling the dist.source nodes?!
[09:13] <alterim> oh, right, i get you
[09:13] <alterim> ...
[09:13] <nubbe> hehe
[09:13] <dockane> hd is full .. but dist upgrade keeps downloading ??
[09:13] <nubbe> u think we owe u?
[09:13] <randabis> jas_MHZ did you run "nvidia-glx-config enable"?
[09:14] <gratuit> jas_MHz: make sure you have the nvidia kernel loaded
[09:14] <gratuit> s/kernel/module
[09:14] <jas_MHz> how do I make sure I have the nvidia kernel loaded ?
[09:14] <geneo93> dockane:  maybe its putting it in swap
[09:14] <randabis> nvidia drivers are installed in 3 easy steps
[09:14] <randabis> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:14] <randabis> nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:14] <randabis> restart x
[09:14] <randabis> the end
[09:14] <Brazmetal> is there a deb installer in gnome?
[09:15] <dockane> geneo93, /dev/hda5             3,3G  3,2G     0 100%
[09:15] <jas_MHz> yep I did install nvidia-glx & glx-config enable and restarted, I get nvidia spash screen but low fps
[09:16] <randabis> Brazmetal, what do you mean?
[09:16] <randabis> jas_MHz, maybe your card just sucks, not sure
[09:16] <Brazmetal> randabis: a gui or something like to install deb packages...
[09:16] <gxx> can anyone help with video sound lag in hoary?
[09:17] <jas_MHz> card works fine in windoze is a 5600
[09:17] <randabis> Brazmetal, I don't believe there is.
[09:17] <Bazzi> Brazmetal synaptic
[09:17] <jas_MHz> do U peeple get fast fps with the apt-get drivers ?
[09:17] <javiolo> jas_mhz try to edit XF86Config-4 (make backup first)
[09:17] <randabis> jas_MHz, glxgears is not a benchmark...you should try running some opengl applications to get a better idea of how it is performing
[09:17] <Brazmetal> randabis:  what is the command? i dont remember the flag... dpkg -? file ?
[09:17] <BeHereNow> hi
[09:18] <randabis> Brazmetal, dpkg -i foo.deb be careful though...what you're doing is risky if you aren't careful
[09:18] <gxx> i am having video lag in in all video apps, what can i do to fix?
[09:18] <randabis> gxx, you probably need 3d accelerated drivers for your video card
[09:19] <JDahl> jas_MHz, I think that depends on your graphics card... I think many gamers like to screw up their system by installing binary drivers to get a few extra fps
[09:19] <jas_MHz> I'm running  hoary amd64 - any ideas on what to add to xorg.conf - ?
[09:19] <Brazmetal> randabis:  why? I just want to install a menueditor.. it isn't in the repositories...
[09:19] <randabis> you shouldn't need to edit xorg.conf
[09:19] <gxx> randabis, ahh, i think i forgot to enable 3d!!  i have just reinstalled Hoary and forgot to do that
[09:19] <bit0> i've this error in Openoffice2 : [Java framework]  Invalid value for bootstrap variable: UNO_JAVA_JFW_VENDOR_SETTINGS[Java framework] 
[09:20] <dockane> synaptic returned while making the changes :
[09:20] <randabis> Brazmetal, mixing debs compiled for other distributions is not kosher, that's all
[09:20] <gxx> randabis. thanks for reminding me ;)
[09:20] <randabis> gxx, no problem
[09:20] <jas_MHz> oh well forget the fps I would be happy to get both monitors going - any ideas how to het 2nd mon going ? edit xorg.conf ?
[09:20] <Levander> anybody use the gimp?  can't find a good book on gimp v2, they're all on gimp v1
[09:21] <zenrox> jas_MHz,  check out #nvidia
[09:22] <BeHereNow> hi, y would like play to quake2, i instaled it but i don't hace the opengl. What can i do to install it, please?
[09:22] <garrut> anyone here using freenx?
[09:22] <randabis> BeHereNow, depends on your video card
[09:22] <BeHereNow> nvidia geoforce
[09:22] <BeHereNow> 4
[09:22] <BeHereNow> 64mb
[09:23] <BeHereNow> but i had installed the drivers from ubuntu servers
[09:23] <randabis> BeHereNow, type this in a command line without the quotes "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" then either reboot or restart your X server
[09:23] <BeHereNow> ok
[09:23] <BeHereNow> thanxs
[09:23] <BeHereNow> :)
[09:25] <dockane> synaptic told me to do a 'dpkg --configure -a' but hd is full. how do i get rid of the downloaded packetfiles ?
[09:26] <WeirdAl> Is there nothing on this kerazy planet that can resize an ext3 partition, apart from Partition Magic? :-(
[09:26] <randabis> apt-get clean I believe
[09:26] <randabis> WeirdAl, GParted
[09:26] <WeirdAl> I've even booted into Knoppix
[09:26] <WeirdAl> GParted... k hang on
[09:27] <randabis> there's also BootItNG...a program you boot from a floppy
[09:27] <WeirdAl> k, there's no gparted in Knoppix, and if I try to run it from Ubuntu then I'll be resizing a mounted partition...
[09:27] <WeirdAl> Where cna I get bootitng?
[09:27] <WeirdAl> Oh no wait...
[09:27] <WeirdAl> I don't have a floppy drive.
[09:28] <WeirdAl> Spose I could waste a CD on it...
[09:28] <randabis> WeirdAl, I think knoppix has QTParted
[09:28] <WeirdAl> QTParted won't do it.
[09:28] <WeirdAl> This is what's annoying me so much.
[09:29] <randabis> it won't? It should
[09:29] <WeirdAl> It won't.
[09:29] <WeirdAl> Also it throws up loads of errors when I load it.
[09:29] <randabis> well, qtparted does suck...:/
[09:29] <WeirdAl> Yes, it does.
[09:30] <WeirdAl> However, I've not managed to find anything other than PartitionMagic that doesn't.
[09:30] <WeirdAl> And you have to pay for that.
[09:30] <randabis> well, BootItNG will work...I "think" you may be able to make a bootable CD with it
[09:30] <WeirdAl> OK
[09:30] <WeirdAl> Good thing I have a thousand CDs
[09:31] <WeirdAl> Or thereabouts.
[09:32] <Brazmetal> is there any way to uninstall a application without having to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[09:33] <Brazmetal> ?
[09:33] <randabis> ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[09:33] <randabis> it's safe to remove
[09:33] <Brazmetal> sorry, but what is a meta-package?
[09:33] <An00b15> lol
[09:33] <Vjaz> Brazmetal: A package that contains no real data, only dependencies.
[09:34] <Brazmetal> I want to remove some apps like evolution, the games and etc...
[09:34] <sleeper> hi
[09:34] <randabis> a package that just refers to a group of other packages basically
[09:34] <An00b15> a package representative
[09:34] <JDahl> Brazmetal, if the ubuntu-desktop depends on the pakcage, you cannot remove it without also removing ubuntu-desktop. Ubuntu-desktop is good to have
[09:34] <Vjaz> Brazmetal: So ubuntu-desktop depends on evolution and firefox, for example.
[09:34] <gxx> randabis, what else can be the problem?  i have installed video driver with 3d and still lagged
[09:34] <sleeper> can i read in microshoft project 1 document do with planner?
[09:34] <Brazmetal> so I cant remove ubuntu-desktop?
[09:34] <randabis> you can remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:34] <sleeper> can i read in microshoft project 1 document do with planner?
[09:35] <Brazmetal> randabis: removing ubuntu-desketop, what is really removed?
[09:35] <djp> just about to install totem-xine. it tells me it will remove totem-gstream and ubuntu-desktop. is that right? ubuntu-desktip?
[09:35] <djp> desktop even!
[09:35] <mjr> remove away
[09:35] <randabis> JDahl, why is it good to have exactly? If you don't want something like evolution, then I see no reason why you'd need it
[09:35] <randabis> Brazmetal, the package that you want to remove, and the ubuntu-desktop meta-package
[09:35] <randabis> that's all
[09:35] <djp> mjr: ok thanks. thought i'd lose my entire desktop!!!
[09:36] <sgteich> Good afternoon
[09:36] <randabis> djp, yeah it's perfectly safe to remove
[09:36] <randabis> it's just a meta-package
[09:36] <JDahl> randabis, to get the homogeneous desktop layout provided by Ubuntu, as well as automatic updates?
[09:36] <WeirdAl> Heh ... 1.8MB on a CD
[09:36] <Brazmetal> randabis: so the rest of the system ins't modified?
[09:36] <djp> randabis: cheers
[09:36] <Brazmetal> ok
[09:36] <randabis> JDahl, you can get all of those without ubuntu-desktop
[09:36] <randabis> Brazmetal, correct
[09:37] <Brazmetal> ok, it's good.
[09:37] <JDahl> randabis, sure you can... but why you want to install those independently? ubuntu-desktop is there for a reason other than to bug you
[09:37] <JDahl> s/why/why would
[09:38] <zyga> good evening :)
[09:38] <calc> djp: btw hoary doesn't make you remove the ubuntu-desktop package anymore to use totem-xine
[09:38] <randabis> JDahl, well yes, I agree for an initial install it makes more sense to just install ubuntu-desktop
[09:38] <randabis> But I mean afterward if there is something you don't want like evolution, then there is no harm in removing it
[09:38] <calc> djp: also it is good to see what new things are depended on by ubuntu-desktop occasionally if you don't have it installed, so you can get the new other packages
[09:38] <WeirdAl> :-\ waste of a CD
[09:38] <WeirdAl> It ignored it totally
[09:39] <mjr> summary: it's basically okay to remove ubuntu-desktop, but you might want to reinstall it after upgrading to the next release to get the entire desktop those zany ubuntu people have put together
[09:39] <JDahl> randabis, you wont automatically get general desktop layout updates without it, I think
[09:39] <WeirdAl> Tell a lie, that was the shutdown sequence I was seeing
[09:40] <djp> mjr: xvid's now playing, thanks...
[09:40] <randabis> JDahl, I believe you do...I have been anyway without it...as long as you have the packages that control the layout, then the changes are applied...ubuntu-desktop doesn't actually contain any data, just dependencies
[09:40] <WeirdAl> nope, bootit ng won't run from a CD
[09:40] <WeirdAl> :-(
[09:41] <djp> mjr: firefox still shows my mozplugger as finding all the same associations. is that working with the old gstreamer0.8-plugin?
[09:41] <randabis> did you make the cd bootable?
[09:41] <mjr> djp, I don't think mozplugger has any knowledge on what totem is using for playing
[09:41] <WeirdAl> So far, the number of working partition management programs I've found is 1. And that costs.
[09:41] <WeirdAl> That kind of sucks.
[09:42] <djp> mjr: so mozplugger is totally independent of any gstreamer plugins?
[09:42] <randabis> gparted works just fine
[09:42] <mjr> probably
[09:42] <randabis> and regular parted does too
[09:42] <djp> mjr: thanks
[09:42] <WeirdAl> randabis: how do I explicitly make a CD bootable?
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Seeing as it had exes and stuff.
[09:43] <randabis> WeirdAl, depends on the cd burning program
[09:43] <bit0> WeirdAl, from command line?
[09:43] <WeirdAl> I used nautilus to burn what would have been on the floppy to a CD instead.
[09:43] <WeirdAl> That's always worked for me
[09:43] <Lathiat> Hi guys -- My gamin isn't working properly (for example new files on the desktop don't show up, among other things) -- Any idea how I can debug this?
[09:43] <krash3x> hey everyone
[09:44] <djp> does rhythmbox use the gstreamer plugins?
[09:44] <krash3x> is 5.04 a full version?
[09:44] <randabis> WeirdAl, I don't think nautilus will do bootable cds
[09:44] <mjr> djp, yes
[09:44] <randabis> krash3x, yes
[09:44] <WeirdAl> Oh... what will, and how do I do it?
[09:44] <mjr> (and for audio, it actually works well ;)
[09:45] <djp> mjr: ahh, thank you! i think i am slowly (very slowly in my case) beginning to understand!
[09:45] <WeirdAl> I've never made a CD that's not been bootable that should have been.
[09:45] <earthen> can anyone tell me how to get MP# playback to work
[09:45] <earthen> MP3
[09:46] <randabis> WeirdAl, I think k3b can make them; not sure...you can probably do it by command line too
[09:46] <djp> mjr: so i DO need to keep gstreamer-plugins installed even though i've got totem-xine installed... thanks for all your help today (night, wherever you happen to be) mjr!
[09:46] <mjr> earthen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:46] <WeirdAl> randabis, using cdrecord?
[09:46] <mjr> djp, well, at least the audio ones
[09:47] <randabis> WeirdAl, possibly, I'm not sure because I've never needed to do it
[09:47] <Danny666> hi@all
[09:47] <earthen> mjr   Been there did that but still doesn't work! everytime i try and start playing an MP3 the program crashes
[09:48] <[nrx_] > is there something you can use in place of msn messenger to talk to other msn users?
[09:48] <[nrx_] > aaannnddd, also view their webcam?
[09:48] <Danny666> iam having problems with my network since i updated my system
[09:48] <munki> [nrx_]  : not the webcam thing
[09:48] <LeeJunFan> [nrx] : gaim or kopete
[09:48] <Brazmetal> [nrx] : there are lots of msn clones.
[09:48] <Danny666> i also installed a new version and it is still not working
[09:48] <[nrx_] > does gaim do webcam though?
[09:48] <munki> [nrx_]  : but Gaim can handle msn accounts :)
[09:48] <[nrx_] > bah
[09:48] <djp> mjr: i just used the metapackage gstreamer-plugins to install them. ithink it just sticks the lot in. i wouldn't know where to begin in terms of sorting out the audio from the video and so on!
[09:48] <LeeJunFan> [nrx] : no - not webcam
[09:48] <JDahl> [nrx] , gaim is very good.. maybe gnome-messenger can connect to msn
[09:49] <LeeJunFan> gnomemeeting
[09:49] <Brazmetal> [nrx] : try aMSN our Mercury (it suports webcam, but it's experimental)
[09:50] <JDahl> LeeJunFan, yes, gnomemeeting.. I think it's the same protocol as msn for video
[09:51] <LeeJunFan> JDahl: I know it'll work with netmeeting.
[09:51] <geneo91> used to be
[09:51] <earthen> I've installed gstreamer0.8 and rhythmbox but still no go
[09:51] <[nrx_] > another question.. I've just managed to get wlan working..
[09:51] <[nrx_] > but I can't see computers on the network in the network browser anymore
[09:51] <[nrx_] > any ideas?
[09:51] <geneo91> earthen:  you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:52] <earthen> yes i have that
[09:53] <earthen> when i try and start rhythmbox, music player starts is that right?
[09:53] <LeeJunFan> OT: anyone know how to get fglrx working with a vanilla 2.6.11.5 kern?
[09:53] <randabis> Not really...2.6.11 is still experimental I thought
[09:54] <randabis> err nope
[09:54] <randabis> I'm behind hehe
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> randabis: beats the hell outta me - they change the kern versioning every other week now.
[09:54] <calc> experimental as far as ubuntu is concerned
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> :)
[09:54] <calc> but 2.6.11.6 is current "stable" on k.o
[09:54] <randabis> 2.6.11.5 is the latest stable kernel...
[09:54] <randabis> :p
[09:55] <randabis> err 6
[09:55] <randabis> keep in mind I've been offline for a little over a month
[09:56] <kakalto> could someone please tell me why on earth the archive manager, and nautilus screw up when there's a css file in a directory?
[09:57] <kakalto> they just crash
[09:57] <kakalto> so I can't extract it, unless I use windows
[09:57] <kakalto> and then I can't enter the directory
[09:57] <kakalto> however
[09:58] <kakalto> GFTP doesn't crash when going into the folder
[10:00] <cantona> can I upgrade hoary amd64 from debian amd64?
[10:01] <calc> joa: most likely not
[10:01] <mjr> might work, but is unsupported in the best case
[10:01] <calc> well at least without knowing exactly what you are doing :)
[10:02] <caliber> Help!  My IPv6 tunnel crashed, and now every 2 minutes my screen is spammed with:  Mar 27 14:52:10 localhost kernel: unregister_netdevice: waiting for tun to become free. Usage count = 1,  Mar 27 14:53:40 localhost last message repeated 6 times
[10:02] <javi> hi there, where i can find the 'howto' to upgrade ubuntu to unstable
[10:02] <javi> ;o
[10:02] <WeirdAl> randabis, do you happen to know quite how I make a bootable CD?
[10:02] <WeirdAl> I've installed k3b
[10:02] <calc> javi: just change warty line to hoary then run apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:02] <javi> calc: thx ;)
[10:03] <Seveas> and prepare to wait an hour :)
[10:03] <kakalto> why tf does linux hate my css file?
[10:04] <Br34ch> css file? o.0
[10:04] <Br34ch> As in, cascading stylesheet?
[10:05] <kakalto> ya
[10:05] <Br34ch> What's wrong with it?
[10:05] <kakalto> for website
[10:05] <Br34ch> Got apache2 installed?
[10:05] <kakalto> it crashes nautilus, the archive program, and gedit if I try to edit it
[10:05] <kakalto> probably not.
[10:05] <kakalto> thanks.
[10:05] <Br34ch> Oh
[10:05] <Seveas> kakalto, thats cool
[10:05] <[nrx_] > folks.. any idea why I can't see any machines on the network in network browser?
[10:05] <Seveas> virus in a css :)
[10:05] <[nrx_] > and if i connect to a box, with the relevant details, I can't see anything on it?
[10:05] <mjr> kakalto, try and get to it from a terminal
[10:05] <jas_MHz> Help - I installed nvu from nvu.com (moz based web authoring) but on running it I get a loading library error :libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[10:05] <kakalto> I checked, it's valid CSS on w3 :P
[10:06] <kakalto> mjr, I probably could
[10:06] <Br34ch> So if you open it . . . it crashes . . . try "cat file.css" on term maybe?
[10:06] <kakalto> yeah
[10:06] <Br34ch> Or use vim or something, just to verify it's only text
[10:06] <Br34ch> In terms of CSS, I mean
[10:06] <mjr> (and when you get to it, make a bug report with it attached, 'cause that's weird)
[10:07] <jas_MHz> I followed the ubuntuguide to install it.
[10:07] <kakalto> yeah, it doesn't crash vim, cat, or nano
[10:07] <Br34ch> Look through it . . . something odd in there?
[10:07] <Arti> how can I search for a package which provides a certain file?
[10:07] <Br34ch> Arti: I'd google ;)
[10:07] <kakalto> heheh.
[10:08] <Br34ch> But I can't give you a direct answer to your question, sorry
[10:08] <joa> ctrl+f1 doesnt work
[10:08] <Br34ch> kakalto: The extension is set at .css, is it not?
[10:08] <kakalto> I don't really know css, it was part of a template, but I can't find anything particularly suspicious in there
[10:08] <kakalto> yeah
[10:08] <kakalto> but, it doesn't crash anything in windows, and it displays the web page fine on the net after uploading
[10:09] <Br34ch> So it crashes when you open it . . . does it crashes the page
[10:09] <cusco> hi... I have this ew keyboard with this pen...
[10:09] <kakalto> and it doesn't crash GFTP
[10:09] <Br34ch> Oh
[10:09] <cusco> I don't know the name of this device
[10:09] <Br34ch> kakalto: Locally, does it crash the page that it's being used on?
[10:09] <cusco> these pens that you write
[10:09] <kakalto> Br34ch, give me a moment...
[10:09] <Br34ch> ew keyboard? :s
[10:10] <cusco> well yes... lol
[10:10] <Br34ch> Ahh . . . those things, I got me one of those . . .
[10:10] <kakalto> Br34ch, no, doesn't crash firefox
[10:10] <cusco> my keyboard insead of a numpad
[10:10] <kakalto> it displays fine
[10:10] <cusco> has this square
[10:10] <Br34ch> What's it called.. tablet something
[10:10] <cusco> to use this interactive pen
[10:10] <cusco> tablet..something thats it
[10:10] <kakalto> it's just nautilus, file-roller, and gedit
[10:10] <cusco> heh
[10:10] <Br34ch> kakalto: That very well narrows it down I suppose? The problem may not by with the file, but something else . . .
[10:10] <kakalto> all which are dependant on GUI?
[10:11] <kakalto> except firefox displays it fine
[10:11] <Brazmetal> where is the nautilus cd-burner? (i'm noob using gnome)
[10:11] <spades> burn:///
[10:11] <[nrx_] > anyone know of marillet?
[10:11] <kakalto> even if I look directly at the css file under firefox, it displays the text inside fine
[10:11] <Br34ch> Hmm . . . kakalto, did you try opening it with leafpad?
[10:11] <kakalto> leafpad?
[10:12] <kakalto> leafpad <file> ?
[10:12] <Br34ch> It's a text editor, very alike Windows Notepad
[10:12] <Br34ch> If you have it installed, yes, if not, apt-get install leafpad
[10:12] <kakalto> you mentioned apache, do I need that installed?
[10:12] <jas_MHz> any one know where to get libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ? is it a backport ??
[10:12] <Br34ch> cusco: I didn't have that configured on Windows . . . sorry, you can try googling and seeing if anyone else has gone through this (ubuntu forums, maybe?)
[10:12] <Br34ch> !google tablet something ubuntu
[10:12] <cusco> Br34ch: I can't make it work... I don0t even know in what can I use it but ok
[10:13] <cusco> ok
[10:13] <kakalto> Br34ch, I got critical errors when apt-getting leafpad :(
[10:13] <Br34ch> cusco: Well, in Windows . . . I used it for Word (signatures.. yeah) paint . . . and mostly, in today's world it's used my architectures and artists (they use the weird mouse more :P)
[10:14] <Br34ch> kakalto: try apt-get update first and then that
[10:14] <kakalto> but it displays correctly...
[10:14] <kakalto> no crash
[10:14] <kakalto> if I update, that's 100mb of stuff :(
[10:14] <Br34ch> Leafpad is a GUI text editor . . . and no, 100 mb?!
[10:14] <Br34ch> That doesn't sound right . . .
[10:15] <kakalto> full update, if that's what you mean
[10:15] <kakalto> "130mb must be downloaded"
[10:15] <jas_MHz> does anyone know how I can get libstdc++2.10 installed into hoary amd64 ?? i have universe sources but no joy ?
[10:16] <Br34ch> On 56k or something, btw?
[10:16] <Danny666> is it possible to downgrade dhcp?
[10:16] <Seveas> jas_MHz, you probably miscompiled your application
[10:16] <Seveas> Danny666, why?
[10:16] <kakalto> Br34ch, 256k
[10:16] <kakalto> but still, that's a few hours wort
[10:16] <kakalto> *worth
[10:17] <Br34ch> Oh, you can try GUI Synaptic . . . have the universe enabled, and simply download leafpad (should be less than 1 mb, I'd guess)
[10:17] <Danny666> i am having problems
[10:17] <Danny666> i cant connect to the internet
[10:17] <Br34ch> But I simply suggested you try it on leafpad because it is a very simply text editor . . . that's all, it's up to you really
[10:17] <Seveas> Danny666, than you must upgrade
[10:17] <Br34ch> simple*
[10:17] <kakalto> I downloaded leafpad, I got critical errors when setting up, but it runs fine
[10:17] <Seveas> there was a package yesterday that caused problems
[10:17] <Br34ch> The file runs file on it?
[10:17] <Danny666> i cant connect to the internet
[10:18] <kakalto> leafpad opens the css file fine
[10:18] <Seveas> Danny666, can you transfer filews to it with a floppy?
[10:18] <jas_MHz> ok any good howtos for a nooby to compiling apps from sources ?
[10:18] <Br34ch> kakalto: If you had critical errors with that . . . a bit more than that might be messed up . . . :x
[10:18] <kakalto> :X
[10:18] <Danny666> i have no floppy im my notebook
[10:19] <Seveas> usb device maybe?
[10:19] <Seveas> or cd-rw
[10:19] <Danny666> cd
[10:19] <kakalto> isn't it funny how, if I update, I have to download 130mb of stuff.... but it will only take up 5mb more
[10:19] <Seveas> then download the latest dhcp packages on the machine you are on now, burn them on a rewritable disc and install them on the laptop
[10:20] <Danny666> i had a update 2 hrs ago
[10:20] <maxchee> does anyone here use qemu?
[10:20] <Seveas> ow
[10:20] <Danny666> since this no internet connection at all
[10:20] <Seveas> then the problem shouldn't be dhcp
[10:21] <Danny666> what then
[10:21] <Seveas> Danny666, what is the error you get?
[10:21] <Seveas> Danny666, can you paste the output of dpkg -l | grep dhcp
[10:21] <Bazzi> kakalto thats the reason its called an update
[10:21] <Danny666> no i cant
[10:21] <Seveas> ah yeah, stupid me :)
[10:22] <Seveas> just check if it says ubuntu4 somewhere
[10:22] <Danny666> we tryed
[10:22] <Danny666> everything
[10:22] <Lithi> What group does cupsys belong to when you first install Ubuntu?
[10:23] <Seveas> Danny666, does dpkg -l | grep dhc say 3.0.1-1ubuntu4?
[10:23] <kakalto> Br34ch, does it matter that I don't have apache installed?
[10:23] <Danny666> one moment i have to reboot
[10:23] <Br34ch> kakalto: Shouldn't really . . .
[10:23] <kakalto> ahk
[10:24] <kakalto> then wish me luck on google
[10:24] <Br34ch> kakalto: you should have that installed if you plan to work with php, mysql, etc.
[10:25] <kpeterson> can anyone help me set up a vsftpd server?
[10:25] <woodwizzle> Anyone know of any software that can go through a large mp3/ogg/flac collection and pick out duplicates even if bitrates and formats arn't the same?
[10:26] <jas_MHz> if I want to install something form a debian distro is it just a matter of changing sources or must I compile from source ?
[10:27] <[nrx] > if your machine kinda... churns along almost locked up.. is there any way to break out of it?
[10:27] <[nrx] > mouse is very unresponsive and you can't switch to diff applications
[10:27] <javi> hello there, where do i can find a 'howto' configure an ubuntu system as gateway? ;o
[10:28] <kakalto> Br34ch, nah, I'm simply adapting an oswd template to my likings, changing bits here and there in the xhtml & css files
[10:29] <BockBilbo> hey
[10:30] <kakalto> what's the relation between DVD and CSS?
[10:30] <kakalto> I thought CSS was only cascading style sheet
[10:30] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to not allow certain users to log in to a system using ssh?
[10:30] <fez__> I just changed an old ntfs storage partition to a linux partition (changing label in fdisk and then using mkfs.ext2), but I can't figure out how to mount it so that my default user can write to it.
[10:30] <mjr> kakalto, the DVD encryption scheme is also called CSS
[10:30] <mjr> you know, the one they're trying to pass off as copy protection but that really is viewing protection
[10:31] <mjr> and luckily not any good at that either
[10:31] <mjr> short for Content Scrambling System in that case
[10:33] <kpeterson> I just installed vsftp via apt-get and supposedly it should work now, but when I try to log in, I get error "500 OOPS Child Died" (kind of disturbing error :)  Any ideas?
[10:33] <BockBilbo> kpeterson
[10:33] <BockBilbo> try this:
[10:33] <BockBilbo> http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm
[10:33] <geneo91> kpeterson:  yes that is disturbing news
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[10:34] <eYeStRaIn> Im having problems with my live installer, it crashes on hotplug subsystem. i tried using preview install too but hotplug keeps my laptop freezing
[10:34] <Seveas> BockBilbo, man 5 sshd_config
[10:34] <TLF> hi
[10:34] <kpeterson> bockbilbo I will try that, thank you
[10:34] <TLF> ubuntu uses supermount by default?
[10:35] <KarlosII> hmm adobe linux reader, I wonder how I go about installling that on linux
[10:35] <KarlosII> more specific ubuntu
[10:35] <kpeterson> KarlosII It can be found on ubuntuguide.org
[10:35] <eYeStRaIn> is there a way i can disable hotplug on grub?
[10:35] <yonatan> hi there, good morning|afternoon|evening
[10:35] <sonny> test
[10:35] <mjr> TLF, no, ubuntu uses different automounting schemes
[10:35] <TLF> mjr: mmm, ok
[10:35] <TLF> mjr: so, my USB Pen drive dhouldn't be mounted automatically?
[10:35] <Seveas> hotplug really shouldn't be disabled...
[10:36] <Seveas> TLF yes
[10:36] <Danny666> seveas dhcp3-client 3.0.1-1ubuntu3 that is what it says
[10:36] <Seveas> it should be
[10:36] <mjr> TLF, namely, HAL notifies Gnome MVolume Manager of new devices or disks and it then mounts them (if it's been told to, as it is by default, I think)
[10:36] <Seveas> TLF, ubuntu uses pmount
[10:36] <TLF> is kubuntu, sorry :-)
[10:36] <Seveas> kubuntu should too
[10:36] <Seveas> Danny666, that version of dhcp is goof
[10:36] <Seveas> good*
[10:37] <TLF> Seveas: it doesn't mount :(
[10:37] <mjr> TLF, ah, well, no idea about that
[10:37] <TLF> Seveas: and there are no lines about the pen drive in fstab
[10:37] <Danny666> so what should i do?
[10:37] <mjr> TLF, there shouldn't
[10:37] <mjr> TLF, pmount mounts pluggable devices without fstab entries
[10:37] <TLF> so, where's the fault?
[10:37] <Seveas> TLF, as a normal user you can use pmount /dev/sda1
[10:37] <fez__> Can anyone tell me how to set permissions so that my default user can have access to a mounted ext2 partition?  All the documentation I find online is about mounting fat or ntfs.
[10:38] <Seveas> even without fstab
[10:38] <mjr> gnome uses that on ubuntu, and kde should too, and if it doesn't, it's a bug :)
[10:38] <Seveas> Danny666, what is the error you get when trying to bring up your interface
[10:38] <mjr> fez__, as ext2 supports unix permissions natively, just chown the partition to the user you wish
[10:39] <TLF> Seveas: and to automount, that? there is any option I can try=?
[10:39] <fez__> mjr, so I can't make it accessable to all my users?
[10:39] <mjr> fez__, of course you can
[10:39] <mjr> by setting appropriate permissions
[10:39] <fez__> mjr, so do I chown the mount point?
[10:39] <Brazmetal> do you have any tricks to boost ubuntu boot time?
[10:40] <mjr> fez__, IIRC the mount point permissions don't matter when the partition is mounted to it, so apply the chown/mod after mounting it
[10:40] <pvoce> FINALLY got nvidia to load
[10:41] <yonatan> hi all, just installed hoary preview
[10:41] <yonatan> "There are 298 updates available" <-- Will this happen everyday?
[10:42] <geneo91> yonatan:  no
[10:42] <yonatan> geneo91: oh good, so it's not like fedora :)
[10:44] <pvoce> yonatan: nopers..ist only about 20-20 a day:)
[10:44] <pvoce> er...10 even
[10:44] <theantix> yeah only nine for me since last night
[10:44] <Roey> crimsun: ping
[10:45] <fez__> mjr, i did chown :users on it... seems to work. thanks.
[10:45] <_BIJ_> hi@all + happy easter ;-)
[10:45] <Roey> yonatan: actcom is still around??
[10:45] <Zugot> are you running hoary?
[10:46] <maxchee> does anyone a way to track make install?
[10:46] <yonatan> Roey: yep, i've been with actcom for several years...
[10:46] <_BIJ_> i got a problem with skype running under hoary.... the sound device is not working properly with it... does anyone have a clue what to do?
[10:46] <nuge> hi guys, while installing amd64 warty from cd, is there any way to choose lilo over grub? i am in expert mode and still can't find where i can choose between the two
[10:46] <Zugot> maxchee, track, make intall?
[10:46] <maxchee> sorry, does anyone know a way to track "make isntall"? (ie. create a deb package to uninstall whatever that's installed by "make install".
[10:46] <yonatan> bye, must take the dog for a walk...goodnight
[10:46] <Zugot> nuge, why lilo over grub?
[10:47] <Zugot> maxchee, yeah... install "checkinstall"
[10:47] <nuge> zugot, having some troubles with grub on this lapotp i got and i saw one post on the ubuntu forums saying that perhaps lilo may work better
[10:47] <Dalk-Away> nuge, in expert mode, you simply skip the grub install stage
[10:47] <Dalk-Away> the next stage is the lilo install
[10:47] <difekta> does anyone know whether there will be any way to have a multiple user login interface at the gdm, like in osx and xp?
[10:47] <nuge> dalk-away, ahh.. ok simple enough, thanks :)
[10:47] <Dalkus> difekta, yes, there is :)
[10:48] <Dalkus> Np
[10:48] <difekta> there is a way?
[10:48] <maxchee> Zugot: thx!
[10:48] <Dalkus> it is default
[10:48] <difekta> it's not on my system
[10:48] <Dalkus> difekta, you type your username and password in the graphical login
[10:48] <Dalkus> just type the username of the other account
[10:48] <difekta> no, that's not what i mean.
[10:48] <Dalkus> Hmm?
[10:48] <Agrajag> Dalkus: I think he's asking for a list of names
[10:48] <Dalkus> Oh
[10:48] <Agrajag> difekta: sudo gdmsetup
[10:49] <kakalto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107331 <---- Could someone please help me?
[10:49] <difekta> if my system goes to screensaver, or i say "login as another user", it doesn't take me back to the login screen.
[10:49] <Dalkus> It can definatly be done in kdm, so i guess it can be done
[10:49] <Agrajag> oh, that
[10:49] <difekta> the gdm should spawn the login on a new x server.
[10:49] <difekta> that is sorely lacking in gdm.
[10:49] <difekta> and xp and osx have had it for years.
[10:49] <Agrajag> uh
[10:49] <mhz> bur[n] er: hey, there
[10:50] <Agrajag> Applications > System Tools > New Login
[10:50] <bur[n] er> hola
[10:50] <difekta> but that's a hack.
[10:50] <bur[n] er> what's up mhz
[10:50] <difekta> in order to do that, a user would have to have access to my login.
[10:50] <mjr> xp and osx have spawned new X servers for logins for ages?
[10:50] <difekta> exactly.
[10:50] <difekta> so why doesn't gdm
[10:51] <difekta> say i'm away from my computer, and my system has gone to screen saver, a new user should be presented with a login.
[10:51] <newguy> Hello I have one quick question..does Ubuntu have a modem dialer installed by default?
[10:51] <mhz> bur[n] er: sorry for bothering at this time but I just installed ubuntu to a friend of mine and I got this stupid question: What to edit in cups?? to enable it via localhost:631??
[10:51] <geneo91> xp and osx aren't sucure
[10:51] <difekta> this is one of the major issues keeping desktop linux a bit "ghetto"
[10:51] <Dalkus> difekta, check out google, maybe someones written about it
[10:51] <geneo91> secure
[10:51] <kbrooks> geneo91, dude. they are
[10:51] <bur[n] er> mhz: it should be enabled by default
[10:51] <mhz> bur[n] er: yes, I googled a little but we are running out of time
[10:51] <geneo91> oh sure they are
[10:51] <mjr> well, you _can_ tell gdm to start multiple X servers from the get-go, that would help some
[10:51] <bur[n] er> localhost:631 doesn't show anything?
[10:51] <gxx> anyone know about video lag in hoary?  how can i fix it
[10:51] <kbrooks> geneo91, osx is, by default
[10:51] <bur[n] er> mhz: u can always try the gnome-print-manager
[10:52] <mhz> it says Disabled
[10:52] <mjr> but having it spawn new servers would be a useful option sometimes
[10:52] <mjr> (as would be having a button in xscreensaver that launches a new gdm login)
[10:52] <mhz> yes, but do not like it and he already knows via web only
[10:52] <bur[n] er> er... gnome-cups-manager
[10:52] <kbrooks> geneo91, xp is IF AND ONLY IF you enable a rudiementary firewll
[10:52] <Zugot> do you guys understand what you are asking?
[10:52] <kbrooks> wall*
[10:52] <difekta> i have done the multiple xservers.
[10:52] <bur[n] er> mhz: dpkg-reconfigure cups?
[10:52] <difekta> that still requires that one press ctrl-alt-fx.  that just doesn't seem very professional.
[10:53] <geneo91> kbrooks:  that firewall is ajoke in xp
[10:53] <mhz> hmmm, I knew there was something to edit in /etc/cups or I am wrong?
[10:53] <Zugot> what makes sense and what is practical aren't the same thing
[10:53] <Zugot> geneo91, it isn't a joke.. it does what it supposed to do
[10:53] <akk> Has anyone asked already for console beep to be turned on in the ubuntu kernel?
[10:53] <kbrooks> geneo91, yeah...there are freeware and shareware firewalls
[10:53] <kbrooks> NOT OPEN SOURCE
[10:53] <kbrooks> AS IF!
[10:53] <Roey> hi
[10:53] <Roey> I am trying to boot Ubuntu and get this:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[10:54] <kbrooks> Zugot, it is technically a joke
[10:54] <mhz> bur[n] er: nops! sorry
[10:54] <bur[n] er> mhz: it just works for me to go to localhost:631 :\
[10:54] <critter> Is there an easy way to restore files in the trash bin . That the trash bin wont let me delete?
[10:54] <kbrooks> Zugot, too many firewalls out there 4 windows arent even open source
[10:54] <kbrooks> Zugot, they are either freeware or shareware or commercial
[10:55] <mhz> bur[n] er: so, you do not see a "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing."
[10:55] <kakalto> could someone please help me with my cascading style sheets issue?
[10:55] <bur[n] er> mhz: no, i don't
[10:55] <bur[n] er> that printing panel works fo rme
[10:55] <Dalkus> kakalto, wrong channel to ask in :)
[10:55] <Zugot> kbrooks, we are going off topic here... and your argument makes no sense
[10:55] <kakalto> is it?
[10:55] <kbrooks> as if! i DEMAND a open source firewall for windows
[10:55] <bur[n] er> mhz: using warty or hoary?
[10:55] <mhz> bur[n] er: okidoki, then, thx anyways :D
[10:55] <kakalto> Dalkus, ?
[10:55] <Roey> *an open source firewall
[10:55] <Dalkus> kakalto, try in #CSS
[10:55] <mhz> me, hoary, him, warty
[10:56] <mhz> we both see same stuff
[10:56] <kakalto> Dalkus, lol, thanks
[10:56] <Dalkus> Np.
[10:56] <Zugot> kbrooks, why?  windows xp isn't an open source os.
[10:56] <Zugot> thats crazy
[10:56] <critter> Can anyone tell me how to restore files in the trash bin?
[10:56] <kakalto> Dalkus, does that include problems with programs crashing when editing a css file?
[10:56] <bur[n] er> mhz: within the gnome-cups-manager, you could turn on "lan browsing" under the global menu
[10:56] <Roey> kbrooks: http://www.governmentsecurity.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t4537.html
[10:57] <Dalkus> Er, depends on the program :)  Which program?
[10:57] <nuge> Dalkus: installing it now.. the only option i see is "install the grub boot loader..." or "continue without boot loader"  - sorry, where is my option for lilo?
[10:57] <yahalom> hi when i try to remove mesa-gl with apt-get it wants to uninstall about another 40 apps with it, such as synaptic, my BZFlag game, etc, is this normal? how can i just remove the mesa-gl? help appreciated.
[10:57] <kakalto> Dalkus, the thing is, nautilus crashes when inside a directory with a css file
[10:57] <kakalto> Dalkus, which is why I thought this was the channel for help
[10:57] <Dalkus> You know how you have to go down the list each time, and hit enter on the part of the install you would like to continue with? I seem to remember lilo being after grub
[10:58] <geneo91> nuge try the back button
[10:58] <siimo> anyone know the name of that new GTK2 pdf viewer that supports text copy and  text search like acrobat? its only like version 0.2 or something
[10:58] <Dalkus> kakalto, In that case, sorry this is the right channel... but your problem isnt a CSS one, its a nautilus one :)
[10:58] <Roey> sii: the one that uses poppler?
[10:58] <kakalto> Dalkus; except it also happens with gedit and the archive program
[10:58] <Roey> can anyone help me out with this grub bootup issue?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[10:58] <Ubabe> im at a crossroads here ppl...
[10:59] <sysrq> How is one to setup printing remotely if administration via the cups interface is disabled?
[10:59] <Dalkus> kakalto, have you searched google for the problem?
[10:59] <Ubabe> ...if i can get Ubuntu to run my plugins, im
[10:59] <Ubabe> ...gonna cry! boohoo! heheh
[10:59] <nuge> geneo91, sends me back to man install menu with no option for lilo :/
[10:59] <kakalto> Dalkus, yes, with no success
[10:59] <nuge> s/man install/main install
[10:59] <Ubabe> nah, how do i get them to work?
[10:59] <kakalto> I also searched the forums, with no success
[10:59] <Ubabe> any Firefox wizzs here?
[10:59] <Dalkus> kakalto, sorry try asking in a few hours :)
[10:59] <kakalto> which is why I made this topic ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107331
[10:59] <Dalkus> Ubabe, whats your problem?
[10:59] <geneo91> nuge  does it say insrall boot loader
[10:59] <vinsee> i <3 ubuntu
[11:00] <nuge> it says "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"
[11:00] <Dalkus> Ubabe, check out www.ubuntuguide.org, it details installing firefox plugins if thats what your after?
[11:00] <yahalom> anyone?
[11:01] <Dalkus> nuge, after that option, should be a lilo line?
[11:01] <vmrocha> i just installed vlc and i got the following erro: [00000273]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[11:01] <vmrocha> does anyone have a clue?
[11:01] <nuge> dalkus, not on this warty amd64 install cd :/
[11:01] <Dalkus> nuge, hrm, perhaps lilo isnt ported to it yet
[11:01] <Roey> nuge: dude there is no lilo on ubuntu
[11:01] <Dalkus> You tried using GRUB?
[11:01] <Ubabe> Dalkus, yup, thanks :)
[11:01] <Roey> nuge: it just installs grub
[11:01] <Dalkus> Roey, yes there is
[11:01] <Roey> Dalkus: oh???
[11:01] <Dalkus> Ubabe, np
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: so if I reinstall, I can select LILO?
[11:02] <nuge> in fact, (with the cdrom mounted), a 'find / -name "*lilo*"' find nothing
[11:02] <Dalkus> Roey, I almost installed it
[11:02] <nuge> dalkus ah i see, hmm
[11:02] <Dalkus> Yeah, in expert mode
[11:02] <Roey> oh really
[11:02] <Roey> interesting.
[11:02] <Dalkus> Though expert mode needs more experience than the normal mode :)
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: that's fien for me
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: I can't really /get/ lilo to boot
[11:02] <davix> how do i apt install a deb file?
[11:02] <Dalkus> I suggest you stick with grub... it's generally nicer
[11:02] <nuge> dalkus, i guessi could try the hoary preview installer
[11:02] <eYeStRaIn> im having problems with hotplug subsystem crashing on my laptop
[11:02] <Roey> Dalkus: I get an error on three different amd64 kernels.
[11:02] <eYeStRaIn> any suggestions what should i do
[11:03] <Dalkus> Roey, what kind of error?
[11:03] <Roey> Dalkus: grub gives me different errors... http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[11:03] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, you tried upgrading it?
[11:03] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, hotplug, that is
[11:03] <eYeStRaIn> upgrading which?
[11:03] <Dalkus> ^
[11:03] <Roey> Dalkus: LILO gives me this kind of error:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/GXDJxw37.html
[11:04] <vinsee> when is hoary coming?
[11:04] <davix> how do i apt install a deb file?
[11:04] <vinsee> out*
[11:04] <eYeStRaIn> im using gateway solo 3300 laptop and i installed 5.04 ubuntu on it, but everytime it boots it stucks on hotplug subsystem
[11:04] <Dalkus> Roey, hrmph, sorry I don't know anything about those errors, try another help channel? Any debian help channel should also be relevent
[11:04] <Dalkus> davix, with dpkg -i
[11:04] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, when does it get stuck? before X loads?
[11:05] <arbeck> when i try to use cdrecord, i get this error message: Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...
[11:05] <eYeStRaIn> no when it says hotplug subsystem ...
[11:05] <Dalkus> When is that...? After you login?
[11:05] <Roey> Dalkus: ok
[11:05] <Dalkus> Roey, sorry :)
[11:05] <Roey> Dalkus: thank you
[11:05] <Dalkus> np
[11:05] <Ubabe> sorry to bother
[11:06] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: i think its before that, i havent seen any login prompt yet
[11:06] <dryad> Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to reinstall gnome-background-properties - mine stopped working sometime today..
[11:06] <zyga> dryad: sure it is, try synaptic
[11:06] <Roey> Dalkus: hmm, can't post to #debian... no voice
[11:06] <davix> tnx Dalkus
[11:06] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, when your computer boots, look for when it says something about an "interactive startup" it might ask to press I. If you see that, press I and select Y for everything that isnt hotplug, and N for hotplug
[11:06] <dryad> zyga - I've been there already, yet I can't find gnome-background-properties in there.
[11:07] <Dalkus> Roey, try another server? :) maybe undernet?
[11:07] <Roey> Dalkus: another linux maybe ;)
[11:07] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: i'll try that, do i need to put something on grub to activate interactive startup?
[11:07] <Dalkus> Roey, that seems to be a linux problem rather than a distro specific problem, so just ask around... If your part of any mailing lists that might be a good place to ask
[11:08] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, nope. When you see the list of deamons starting up... followed by [OK] . You should have the option for interactive startup
[11:08] <Dalkus> that basically lets you choose what starts up, so just dont let hotplug start and see hwo far that gets you
[11:08] <difekta> i have this weird issue.  i just bought a new lcd monitor, and when my screen locks, two pixels in the red portion of the ubuntu logo look dead.  but in no other case do they look problematic.  anyone else have this issue?
[11:08] <zenwhen>  How well do you think Ubuntu will respond to switching from an i865 based board to an i875P based board without a reinstall?
[11:09] <Dalkus> difekta, check the forums, that might be a hardware cursur problem - but im not sure. There is info on the forums about how to fix that
[11:09] <zenrox> zenwhen,  a lote
[11:09] <Bazzi> zenwhen it will kernalpanic
[11:09] <difekta> interesting
[11:09] <Bazzi> (j/k)
[11:09] <zenwhen> Even though the chips are very close?
[11:09] <Dalkus> I'm not sure if thats you problem, difekta - but try it :)
[11:09] <zenwhen> So i would need to chroot in and redo the initrd?
[11:09] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: unfortunately it didnt show up any interactive startup :(
[11:10] <zenrox> zenwhen,  i had probs going from i845gl going to i845ge
[11:10] <zenwhen> I really hope i can avoid a reinstall.
[11:10] <zenwhen> But this board is on the firtz.
[11:10] <zenwhen> fritz*
[11:10] <SiRrUs> good afternoon
[11:11] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, is the point that it freezes during the list of [OK] 's?
[11:11] <zenrox> zenwhen,  ya i can understand
[11:11] <Bandit> SiRrUs i keep telling you they dont greet in here
[11:11] <SiRrUs> i see
[11:12] <SiRrUs> their loss ;)
[11:13] <dryad> zyga: what am I supposed to reinstall with synaptic? - I've got no clue on what package that contains gnome-background-properties
[11:14] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: yes, exactly the [OK] s list when hotplug came up, it freezes
[11:14] <vinsee> :[
[11:15] <vinsee> is this warty?
[11:15] <vinsee> or hoary
[11:15] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, what error does it give?
[11:15] <Elsidox> can someone tell me where my fstab config file is located?
[11:15] <zyga> dryad: dpkg-query -s gnome-background-properties
[11:15] <vinsee> in the /etc folder
[11:15] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks
[11:15] <Dalkus> Elsidox, make a backup first :)
[11:15] <dryad> zyga: alright, thank you!
[11:16] <Dalkus> Elsidox, sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.old
[11:16] <eYeStRaIn> Dalkus: i dont see any error, it just freezes
[11:16] <SiRrUs> everyone running hoary or warty
[11:16] <difekta> does anyone know how to simply make the gdm spawn logins in a new xserver, leaving the gdm in its current xserver+
[11:16] <vinsee> eyestrain: is this hoary?
[11:16] <difekta> hoary
[11:16] <dryad> zyga: Package `gnome-background-properties' is not installed and no info is available.
[11:16] <zyga> hmm
[11:16] <dryad> zyga: That's what I expected - the package isn't named that.
[11:16] <Elsidox> Dalkus, woops i didnt mean fstab. Im looking for the file where you can chnage your resoultion. Right now i can only go up to 1024x768
[11:16] <Dalkus> eYeStRaIn, brb, I have to restart and It's an opportunity to try and see how to enable interactive startup
[11:16] <vinsee> xorg.conf
[11:16] <zyga> dryad: -S
[11:17] <vinsee> try /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:17] <zyga> dryad: sorry, -s is status, -S is search :-)
[11:17] <Dalkus> Elsidox, you can't go higer if X dosn't think you can :)
[11:17] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks again
[11:17] <Dalkus> Carefull... you might mes your monitor up
[11:17] <Dalkus> brb
[11:17] <vinsee> although you should probbaly use xorgconfig
[11:17] <Dalkus> Be very careful
[11:17] <Elsidox> Dalkus, ive done it on ubuntu in the past. =)
[11:18] <zyga> dryad: -S searches for filename patterns
[11:19] <zyga> dryad: try reinstalling ubuntu-artwork, capplets and capplets-data
[11:19] <vinsee> or just reinstall ubuntu altogether
[11:19] <vinsee> teehee
[11:19] <Elsidox> is 1280x1024 a good resolution. I had mine set somewhere around there I just cant remember.
[11:20] <dryad> zyga: just did... no luck though :/
[11:20] <vinsee> dryad: reinstall ubuntu
[11:20] <vinsee> better yet
[11:20] <vinsee> wait until 5.04 proper
[11:20] <vinsee> and then reinstall
[11:20] <zyga> dryad: what did you do to break it?
[11:20] <zyga> dryad: try running it from terminal
[11:20] <zyga> dryad: and see what it says before dying
[11:21] <dabugas> hi
[11:21] <dryad> zyga: I think it broke when I installed the ubuntu-calendar-* packages
[11:21] <dryad> okay, I'll try that
[11:21] <vinsee> the installation probably inadvertently removed some of your packages...
[11:21] <dryad> zyga: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/gnome-background-properties/gnome-wallpaper-propert
[11:21] <zyga> dryad: hmm doubtfull - they only contain images and bunch of xml files
[11:21] <difekta> can someone tell me where to put this script this guy suggests running? http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2002/06/msg00322.html
[11:22] <Elsidox> meh =(
[11:22] <Elsidox> how can I make me resolution go higher than 1024x768
[11:22] <Elsidox> my*
[11:22] <zyga> dryad: try removing ubuntu-calendar for a moment
[11:22] <difekta> Elsidox you can edit xorg.conf
[11:22] <shekhar_> hello can someone help me with synaptic
[11:22] <vinsee> does your monitor/video card support resolutions higher than that?
[11:22] <zyga> and remove one of your config files, w8
[11:22] <dryad> zyga: did - and reinstalled those packages - no luck
[11:22] <Elsidox> difekta, I just tryed to do that
[11:22] <Elsidox> difekta, do i have to restart?
[11:23] <vinsee> lol
[11:23] <vinsee> yes restart
[11:23] <vinsee> sudo reboot
[11:23] <zyga> dryad: rm ~/.gnome/backgrounds.xml
[11:23] <Elsidox> i did a ctrl alt backspace
[11:23] <Elsidox> =)
[11:23] <difekta> you shouldn't have to restart.
[11:23] <difekta> it should work as soon as you spawn a new xserver.
[11:23] <vinsee> elsidox:do sudo xorgconfig
[11:23] <dabugas> i've been sort of updating to hoary from wary and the desktop (nautilus) has stopped showing up my windows drive. i can access it through the terminal and it's in fstab. any ideas?
[11:23] <difekta> you can also use the settings in the menu right?
[11:23] <dryad> zyga: same error
[11:24] <difekta> on this help page, this guy shows a script he wrote to do multiple logins.  can anyone tell me where i should actually _put_ the script? http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2002/06/msg00322.html
[11:24] <Elsidox> vinsee, im to much of a newb to go threw that
[11:25] <dryad> zyga: The file "gnome-background-properties/gnome-wallpaper-properties" is a symlink - is it supposed to be that?
[11:25] <Elsidox> vinsee, I could set my res higher but after I installed the nvidia driver I cant anymore.
[11:25] <vinsee> really
[11:25] <vinsee> did you say nvidia
[11:25] <Elsidox> yes
[11:25] <vinsee> ok go to your xorg.conf
[11:25] <vinsee> change "nv" to "nvidia"
[11:25] <Elsidox> im there
[11:25] <zyga> dryad: did you paste the whole error message?
[11:25] <Elsidox> k
[11:25] <nuge> what would y'all suggest for a laptop install filesystem.. ext3 or xfs ? :)
[11:26] <dryad> yes zyga, the error message I pasted was the complete error.
[11:26] <drasko_> how to erase rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails...
[11:26] <Elsidox> vinsee, its already like that
[11:26] <vinsee> is it?
[11:26] <vinsee> hmmm.
[11:26] <vinsee> what resolution are you trying to set it to?
[11:26] <dryad> I just tried to unlink that symlink - now gnome-background-properties doesn't crash anymore, however, there's no backgrounds in the list anymore either.
[11:26] <Elsidox> should I just change my deafault to 1080x1024 and save than reboot?
[11:26] <dryad> oh wait, now there is - guess they just had to load for a second
[11:26] <dryad> problem resolved I guess :)
[11:26] <vinsee> 1280x1024 you mean?
[11:27] <Elsidox> yes lol
[11:27] <zyga> dryad: whad did you unlink?
[11:27] <swilry> Hello. Maybe someone can help me solve a problem with kubuntu...
[11:27] <davix> what is a good terminal that emulates ansi for linux (in order to connect to a bbs-telnet)?
[11:27] <gdh> swilry: #kubuntu might be able to :)
[11:27] <vinsee> swilry: sure. get ubuntu :p
[11:27] <dryad> zyga: The symlink /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/gnome-wallpaper-properties
[11:27] <swilry> thanks ;)
[11:27] <vinsee> yes
[11:27] <Elsidox> ok ill give it a try
[11:27] <Elsidox> brb
[11:27] <apokryphos> swilry: if it's KDE-related, it should be in there. If it isn't, then this is a better place.
[11:27] <vinsee> elsidox: set it to 1280x1024, but make sure you back up your xorg.conf
[11:28] <dryad> zyga: It was a symlink to /usr/share/gnome-wallpaper-properties, which does not exist
[11:28] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks
[11:28] <mackid> i wish i had a monitor for my PC that could support 1280x1024...
[11:28] <vinsee> hey does nayone if gnome is more efficient than kde
[11:28] <vinsee> in terms of memory
[11:28] <mackid> vinsee, it is
[11:28] <vinsee> ok
[11:28] <swilry> it's kde related, but I don't see any #kubuntu channel...
[11:28] <vinsee> some dude said they're about the same
[11:28] <Xappe> nuge, well, my ibook with ext3 totally crashed a couple of days ago, probably caused by a rough train ride :/
[11:28] <dabugas> i've been sort of updating to hoary from wary and the desktop (nautilus) has stopped showing up my windows drive. i can access it through the terminal and it's in fstab. any ideas?
[11:28] <gdh> I feel that GNOME is slower - no measurements, just my opinion
[11:28] <apokryphos> swilry: it's there. :)
[11:28] <mackid> swilry: /join #kubuntu
[11:29] <dabugas> vinsee: it always depends on what you use
[11:29] <jessica_> I'm running hoary and have openoffice.org and openoffice.org-gtk-gnome installed, but still no gnome-like open and save menus in openoffice.org. I did dpkg-reconfigure on both packages without success. How to get the nice gnome menus?
[11:29] <swilry> justy a misspell sorry :(
[11:29] <nuge> xappe, sucks man, sorry to hear about that. but do you think a different filesystem would have made a difference?
[11:29] <swilry> /bye
[11:29] <Xappe> nuge, i don't know
[11:29] <nuge> xappe, so it's unrecoverable?
[11:29] <Xappe> nuge, i was able to repair the damage with fsck though
[11:29] <nuge> ah ok
[11:30] <Xappe> it suddenly became unbootable
[11:30] <vinsee> how much more memory does kde
[11:30] <vinsee> take up
[11:30] <vinsee> compared to gnome
[11:30] <dabugas> vinsee: in my tests (ubuntu vs knoppix installed) kde _feels_ faster but generally takes up more resources
[11:30] <vinsee> ah
[11:30] <veristead> hey can i get some help in here
[11:30] <Elsidox> ahhhh good ol' 1280x1024 =)
[11:30] <gdh> dabugas: I think I'd rather have that :) RAM cheaper than CPU :)
[11:30] <Elsidox> vinsee, thanks again. Its workign great. =)
[11:30] <dabugas> vinsee: how much do you have?
[11:31] <vinsee> 512mb
[11:31] <veristead> anyone ?
[11:31] <vinsee> no prob elsidox
[11:31] <mackid> veristead, just ask a question
[11:31] <Elsidox> I just switch from ubuntu to foresight linux back to ubuntu
[11:31] <vinsee> foresight?
[11:31] <vinsee> never heard of that one
[11:31] <vinsee> there's just way too many to keep track of :)
[11:32] <mackid> me neither.  hmm  foresight.  interestin name for a linux distro
[11:32] <|QuaD-> vinsee: decent distro.... had lots of bleeding edge things built in
[11:32] <dabugas> gdh: i've been away from the linux world for some time. knoppix installed vs ubuntu; i take the later
[11:32] <Elsidox> vinsee, http://www.foresightlinux.com/
[11:32] <shekhar_> is there anyone who can help me with a synaptic installation which stopped while the packages were installed?
[11:32] <universal> can someone help me with hoary and Nvidia drivers?
[11:32] <mackid> universal, i might be able to help
[11:32] <dabugas> i have a silly amd at 400-something and gnome works better overall than kde
[11:32] <dabugas> but not a fan of either, to be honest
[11:32] <|QuaD-> universal: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <gdh> dabugas: KNOPPIX is a gaudy piece of shit =)
[11:32] <vinsee> universal: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <vinsee> haha
[11:32] <universal> ok, thx
[11:32] <vinsee> beat me to it :)
[11:32] <|QuaD-> vinsee: :)
[11:32] <gdh> It doesn't take much to make KDE look really really tacky
[11:32] <eYeStRaIn> im going to try knoppix, ubuntu is giving me problem installing it on my laptop
[11:32] <Elsidox> vinsee, the distro ram slow but I had f-stop and all the other good stuff. =)
[11:33] <mackid> universal: yeah, but try www.ubuntuguide.org first ;)
[11:33] <Elsidox> ran*
[11:33] <mhz> ping bur[n] er
[11:33] <Elsidox> vinsee, sorry for my typing. lol
[11:33] <vinsee> icic
[11:33] <Elsidox> anyways
[11:33] <mhz> bur[n] er: ping :)
[11:33] <vinsee> hey no prob =p
[11:33] <dabugas> gdh: both kde & gnome are bloated shit... what you use really depends on preference
[11:33] <Elsidox> how hard is it to install beagle?
[11:33] <vinsee> anybody here taking (or has taken) an algorithms course?
[11:33] <dabugas> i was running dvd shrink with wine the other day and it ran better than win xp
[11:33] <veristead> everytime i launch Network Settings (Worty) i punch in my password and then i get a message saying "The Configuration Could not be loaded, There was an error running the backend script"  What do i do to fix this
[11:33] <Seveas> vinsee, i have taken several
[11:34] <dabugas> in gnome... that's what i'm interested in :)
[11:34] <gdh> dabugas: Yeh, but A vs. B wars are a fun way to waste time =)
[11:34] <Seveas> Elsidox, hard, wait for breezy
[11:34] <veristead> it happens on a couple of utilities
[11:34] <vinsee> seveas: did you like it ? :P
[11:34] <Seveas> vinsee, a lot
[11:34] <mhz> bur[n] er: "Ubuntu's default installation of CUPS only listens for local IPP connections. At the present time you have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to make it available to other machines on your LAN. There are two things that must be changed:
[11:34] <vinsee> ok
[11:34] <mhz>    1.
[11:34] <mhz>       A line that has Listen 127.0.0.1:631 can be replaced by Port 631 to listen on all network interfaces, or, if you have a more complex setup and don't want to listen on all interfaces,you can add additional Listen lines for each IP address that you want it to hear.
[11:34] <mhz>    2.
[11:34] <mhz>       There's a group of lines that further limit what listened-to traffic will be processed. By default it only allows internal loopback (that's the 127.0.0.1 address). You can add individual IP addresses in addition Allow lines, or whole blocks such as a typical router's internal network with 192.168.1.*. With the latter added, the block looks like ..."
[11:34] <Seveas> mhz, no pasting please
[11:34] <mackid> eck, flood
[11:34] <veristead> in my system configuration menu
[11:34] <dabugas> gdh: like i said: i've been away for some time. that was part of the reason... waiting for the dust to clear up :)
[11:34] <Elsidox> Seveas, isnt breezy far away thow?
[11:34] <Seveas> use #flood or a pastebin
[11:34] <Seveas> breezy is 6 months away
[11:34] <mhz> Seveas: ok, sorry.
[11:34] <vinsee> im trying to decide whether to take a course on user interface
[11:34] <vinsee> s
[11:34] <vinsee> or efficient algorithms
[11:34] <mackid> hey, is there a guide somewhere on getting Wine or WineX to work (and what's the difference)
[11:34] <Seveas> do the latter
[11:35] <veristead> anyone?
[11:35] <mhz> Seveas: urls are ok ?
[11:35] <vinsee> really? ok :P
[11:35] <Seveas> mhz, sure :)
[11:35] <voltagex> I've successfully killed X and I have no idea how.
[11:35] <mhz> ok
[11:35] <veristead> ANYONE?
[11:35] <Elsidox> mackid, winex is now cedega and cedega runs windows games.
[11:35] <mackid> Elsidox, and it's not free, correct?
[11:35] <mackid> U$D 5/mo or something?
[11:36] <universal> mackid, can u help?=
[11:36] <mjr> it's proprietary, yes
[11:36] <dabugas> so can anyone help me with my disappeared desktop icon?
[11:36] <vinsee> well
[11:36] <veristead> this channel has never actually solved any of my questions completely
[11:36] <vinsee> not if you get the CVS
[11:36] <Ubabe> hey people, say if I wanted to download an application that isnt in the synaptic package manager...
[11:36] <gdh> It's on eMule if you desperately want to save 5 bucks :|
[11:36] <veristead> so i dnt even know why i am bothering now
[11:36] <mhz> bur[n] er: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions and go to "How can I share my printer on my LAN?"
[11:36] <Ubabe> ...say just any ordinary application
[11:36] <jessica_> how to make openoffice.org use the gnome-save and -open dialogs? I have openoffice.org-gtk-gnome installed on warty, but it doesn't work
[11:36] <veristead> i've been trying for almost 3 months to get this working
[11:36] <Xappe> hmm, how do I get mounted volumes to show up at least in the Places menu (they showed suddenly some minutes ago, but not regularly, so to say)
[11:37] <vinsee> seveas: the book is 4 inches thick
[11:37] <universal> mackid, u there=
[11:37] <mackid> universal, maybe.. what's your problem?  did you do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[11:37] <universal> ?
[11:37] <vinsee> literally
[11:37] <dabugas> ah.. Xappe... we have the same problem :)
[11:37] <universal> mackid, yeah i did that, normally im running Warty, but now i tryed Hoary, and then my nvidia doesent work
[11:38] <Xappe> dabugas: ah, I see. haven't really thought about it, but it came to my mind when they suddenly showed up...
[11:38] <gipfex_> hi!
[11:38] <Ubabe> do i have to reboot after i do apt-get update?
[11:38] <mackid> universal: uname -r
[11:38] <universal> mackid, 2.6.10-5-386
[11:38] <mackid> my nvidia worked perfectly fine after installing nvidia-glx from apt
[11:38] <conner> Ubabe: only if you updated the kernel.
[11:39] <gipfex_> i want upgrade ubuntu warty to hoary...but the apt dont upgrade and i changed the sources.list...
[11:39] <mackid> universal, it should work.  check your xorg.conf, make sure nvidia is the driver
[11:39] <universal> mackid,glxgears
[11:39] <universal> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:39] <universal> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[11:39] <universal> root@Universal:/home/universal #
[11:39] <dabugas> Xappe: i partially upgraded from warty to hoary; that's when it stopped showing up: on the desktop on places, everywhere
[11:39] <mackid> gipfex_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:39] <mackid> universal: so X will run?
[11:39] <universal> mackid, yes
[11:39] <maxchee> is there an easy way to make custom meta-packages?
[11:39] <gipfex_> mackid: do the same...
[11:40] <dabugas> Xappe: i'm installing the latest nautilus just in case
[11:40] <phisius> yop
[11:40] <mackid> universal, go to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add under modules Load "glx"
[11:40] <universal> mackid, im not going to run nv instead of Nvidia?
[11:40] <mackid> universal, you shouldn't have to, if your xorg.conf is set up correctly
[11:40] <Xappe> dabugas: i've never used warty. upgraded to hoary right away in november, and now i have a fresh install from array 7
[11:41] <mackid> universal: i have to go.  I will be back in 30-45 minutes, if you are still having a problem i will help you then
[11:41] <Roey> Hi.  In booting Ubuntu I get this:  Kernel panic - not syncing: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0).  How can I fix it?
[11:41] <Xappe> dabugas, fresh and daily updated that is
[11:41] <universal> mackid, ok i will do that, but is it normal that there is a XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11/xorg??
[11:42] <mackid> universal: no, that's not normal, if you're running hoary...
[11:42] <mackid> someone else should be able to help.  i'll be back later.
[11:42] <smurfix> universal: did you upgrade from warty?
[11:42] <universal> mackid, no!
[11:42] <universal> no
[11:42] <universal> isnt that wierd?
[11:43] <SiRrUs> i did ;)
[11:43] <smurfix> universal: weird even ;-)
[11:43] <geneo91> universal:  mine has it also
[11:43] <smurfix> universal: Does "dpkg -S /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" say anything?
[11:44] <geneo91> just got left there from warty
[11:44] <universal> smurfix, nope
[11:44] <bur[n] er> anyone know where to get drivers for an hp psc 1209 printer?
[11:44] <smurfix> geneo91: he didn't have warty ...
[11:44] <magnusly> I resized an NTFS partition (WinXP) while installing the 5.04 preview and was left with an unbootable partition.
[11:45] <drasko_> how to erase rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails...
[11:45] <black_nightmare> hey there
[11:45] <smurfix> drasko_: cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/cdrom
[11:45] <geneo91> smurfix:  maybe its something that depends on that file being there
[11:45] <magnusly> I can mount it from Linux, but ls -R gives I/O error on some directories. Any tips?
[11:45] <black_nightmare> any of you used the fast! qemu thats on ubuntu repositories?
[11:46] <tritium> black_nightmare, yes
[11:46] <black_nightmare> tritium what yours emulating now?
[11:46] <smurfix> magnusly: restore from backup :-/
[11:46] <tritium> black_nightmare, nothing now
[11:46] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er you may have to settle for a 1210
[11:46] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: i tried that, but it doesn't seem to work
[11:47] <black_nightmare> oh hm
[11:47] <tritium> black_nightmare, you?
[11:47] <black_nightmare> and I was wondering if it was worth trying..hmmm.....
[11:47] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er i see
[11:47] <drasko_> smurfix, it gives me: Error trying to open /dev/cdrom exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.... and so on...
[11:47] <black_nightmare> guess I'll hell download it and see if it works out well
[11:47] <InitMass> is there any app that can change the size of several images at a time in ubuntu?
[11:47] <tritium> black_nightmare, I was using it to test LiveCDs
[11:47] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: i'm thinking i might be SOL :\  this was my last resort to ask in irc ;)
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> is there a way dpkg or apt can verify files installed on the system from a package? ie. md5 or something?
[11:48] <black_nightmare> oh... tritium in that case....didn't have any difficult running still?
[11:48] <tritium> black_nightmare, I ran into problems when X tried to load
[11:48] <SiRrUs> :)
[11:48] <jaslor_MHz> how do I compile a small app ?
[11:49] <smurfix> drasko_: unmount the CD first!
[11:49] <black_nightmare> ic tritium
[11:49] <tritium> What's up SiRrUs? :)
[11:49] <Seveas> jaslor_MHz, depends on the app
[11:50] <smurfix> drasko_: Apparently the erase features in your favorite programs don't do that. Please file bugs. It works in Nautilus.
[11:50] <Seveas> usually you need to do the ./configure make make install dance
[11:50] <mhz> Seveas: hmmm, i am not jaslor_MHz , i am mhz
[11:50] <Seveas> mhz, did i call you?
[11:51] <universal> smurfix, should the module be nv or nvidia?
[11:51] <mhz> I got a beep and a graphic sign
[11:51] <Seveas> mhz, not from me
[11:51] <drasko_> smurfix, wow! That did it! Thanks!
[11:51] <mhz> Seveas: ah, np :)
[11:51] <smurfix> universal: I don't know, I don't have an nvidia card
[11:51] <dampjam> I'm trying to install libdvdcss, but synaptic cannot find it, and when I run apt-get install libdvdcss2 it says that there is no installation canidate
[11:51] <tritium> universal, what are you trying to do?
[11:51] <jaslor_MHz> universal : module is nvidia
[11:52] <Seveas> dampjam: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (use testing main for Warty)
[11:52] <Seveas> use that archive
[11:52] <dampjam> i'm running hoary
[11:52] <SiRrUs> universal mine is nv
[11:53] <jaslor_MHz> anyone want to help confuse me by telling me how to compile something ?
[11:53] <SiRrUs> jaslor_MHz :)
[11:53] <tritium> SiRrUs, you're not using the nVidia modules instead?
[11:53] <Seveas> jaslor_MHz, i thought you were cunfused enough already :)
[11:53] <Seveas> which program is it?
[11:54] <SiRrUs> tritium appears i am and everything is working
[11:54] <tritium> I use them
[11:54] <jaslor_MHz> capture for operating a canon powershot
[11:55] <PecK> hello all
[11:55] <Seveas> hi
[11:55] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:56] <DavidSag> hello
[11:56] <SiRrUs> hi
[11:56] <fireglow> hey
[11:56] <Seveas> buon giorno
[11:56] <DavidSag> may i ask a novice question ?
[11:56] <oris_wolfbane> hey room
[11:56] <Seveas> DavidSag, sure
[11:56] <PecK> ok now I can't seem to install rpm's with ubuntu... *.deb is fine with dpkg, but it doesn't work with rpm and double clicking doesn't work either... help?
[11:57] <jaslor_MHz> hello
[11:57] <phanter> Peck
[11:57] <PecK> phanter
[11:57] <phanter> PecK: use alien
[11:57] <Seveas> peck, you might try running alien on the rpm
[11:57] <Seveas> that will give you a deb
[11:57] <DavidSag> i've installed Ubunto few days ago, however, i can't seem to work my ethernet card..
[11:57] <Seveas> but a better way is searching for an available deb
[11:57] <Seveas> which application is it?
[11:57] <PecK> phanter and Seveas thx :)
[11:57] <PecK> it's apradar
[11:57] <PecK> wifi ap scanner and connection manager
[11:57] <ells> tritium:hey Mike what is up
[11:58] <tritium> Hi ells :)
[11:58] <smurfix> DavidSag: so which card do you have?
[11:58] <tritium> Not much going on here.  You visiting with father and brother?
[11:58] <jaslor_MHz> DavidSag : What card is it ? What does $ ifconfig /eth0 say ?
[11:58] <Seveas> DavidSag, describr "cant seem to work"
[11:58] <Seveas> ifconfig eth0 that is
[11:58] <ells> tritium: got a question? how can I check how much mem is on my onboard video. yeap, just picked up my brother from denver
[11:58] <Seveas> no /
[11:58] <DavidSag> it's a realtek, a very generic card..
[11:58] <PecK> phanter, should I type alien -ri pack.rpm ?
[11:58] <Seveas> DavidSag, that should work
[11:59] <smurfix> DavidSag: Does it show with "lspci"?
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[11:59] <Seveas> spamming idiots
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[11:59] <beaniebaby> hey ya'll
[11:59] <oris_wolfbane> beaniebaby, heyz
[11:59] <tritium> ells, not sure, actually
[11:59] <beaniebaby> hi tom
[11:59] <Aghaster> hi
[11:59] <PecK> hey
[11:59] <Seveas> DavidSag, does ifconfig eth0 say anything?
[11:59] <ells> tritium: just curious to see if it will support ut2004 somehow
[12:00] <jaslor_MHz> DavidSag : Can you ping google.com ?