[12:27] <LeeJunFan> prelinking does some good on a lot of kde crap. kontact,kmail,konqueror,konsole,kcontrol - all load faster.
[12:33] <haggai> coruja: I uploaded a new kde-l10n that should actually include translations now :)
[12:54] <coruja> haggai: thx, i'll take a look tomorrow :)
[12:57] <randabis> anyone having problems with flash? I don't have any audio from it...audio is working with everything else
[01:06] <atle> hello
[01:09] <atle> how do I get to the ubuntu repositories with kynaptics?
[01:10] <gdh> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <gdh> just uncomment the relevant line for universe, etc.
[01:10] <atle> thank you
[01:14] <atle> worked like a charm
[01:15] <gdh> =)
[01:15] <gdh> for multiverse (non-free... most notably the Flash plugin) duplicate the line
[01:16] <gdh> and replace universe with multiverse
[01:16] <atle> ok
[01:17] <atle> i'll look into it :-)
[02:07] <Aghaster> hi
[02:07] <gdh> mm?
[02:08] <Aghaster> http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/alphacentaurihq/brokensrc2.JPG
[02:08] <randabis> SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, GLIBC 2.3.2 | CPU AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+, 2205Mhz, 512KB Cache, 4358 BMIPs | RAM 216/504MB Used | SWAP 135/1024MB Used | STORAGE 5.0MB TmpFS, 9.9GB Ext3, 9.9GB unknown, 38GB Ext3, 74GB Ext3, 94MB Ext3, 253MB TmpFS | STATS Uptime 1.78, Users 1/3, Procs 98/40973, Load 0.09 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://auk.ca/v
[02:08] <Aghaster> look at this. it is the problem i have with kubuntu/ubuntu
[02:08] <randabis> oopd
[02:08] <randabis> sorry about that
[02:09] <Aghaster> this is the screen i get when i load kubuntu
[02:09] <Aghaster> http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/alphacentaurihq/brokensrc2.JPG
[02:09] <Aghaster> i cant get into kde or gnome
[02:09] <Aghaster> i've tried many versions of ubuntu/kubuntu
[02:09] <Aghaster> and always have the same problem
[02:10] <Aghaster> :/
[02:10] <gdh> is that jpg a pure grey ?
[02:10] <Aghaster> i have excluded the possibility of monitor incompatibility. i've loaded the live CD on another comp and pluged my monitor on it - it worked
[02:10] <gdh> well, brown-grey?
[02:11] <Aghaster> hum? there is blue on that jpeg
[02:11] <gdh> So it's bound to be a video card thing then?
[02:11] <Aghaster> it may be the cause
[02:11] <gdh> it can't be much else :)
[02:12] <Aghaster> i got an ati sapphire radeon 9200 SE
[02:12] <gdh> it's a dirty hack but have you tried putting Driver "vesa" into /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place of whatever driver your radeon usually uses?
[02:12] <gdh> I don't even know if that file gets auto-rebuilt each bootup...
[02:13] <gdh> all gfx cards should work with the 'vesa' driver.. you'll just not get any acceleration.. but it will at least let you 'get in' and start finding the real cause of the problem
[02:14] <gdh> it'll be in 'Section "Device"' about half way into the file
[02:14] <Aghaster> i think i can get in a shell
[02:14] <Aghaster> console*
[02:14] <Aghaster> could i try from there?
[02:14] <gdh> yep you can always ctrl-alt-f2 and just use nano to edit the file...
[02:14] <gdh> then /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:15] <gdh> (or just ssh in from another machine?)
[02:15] <Aghaster> i cannot use ctrl-alt-f2 from what i have, i can boot from the recovery mode and get a console
[02:15] <gdh> so the video fault causes the whole machine to hang?
[02:15] <Aghaster> the only thing i can do from there is to move the cursor over that broken background
[02:15] <gdh> Oh so you can see the X mouse cursor?
[02:16] <Aghaster> yes, you can see it on the photo too
[02:16] <Aghaster> i can move it and see it clearly, but cannot do anything else
[02:16] <gdh> All I see is a grey page with a 'Website brought  to you by free web hosting' 
[02:17] <Aghaster> http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/alphacentaurihq/brokensrc2.JPG at that page?
[02:17] <gdh> get a real host, ffs :)
[02:17] <gdh> yes
[02:17] <Aghaster> oh
[02:17] <Aghaster> DCC send then
[02:17] <gdh> The joys of firewalls :)
[02:18] <gdh> Haven't done a DCC send in years and years.
[02:18] <gdh> gdh@gdh.ca
[02:18] <Aghaster> ok
[02:19] <Aghaster> lemme me send it to u
[02:19] <gdh> not that I think it's going to be very helpful..
[02:20] <Aghaster> i just sent it
[02:21] <gdh> k, greylisting will block it for a while
[02:25] <gdh> Aghaster: boy that's fucked up :)
[02:25] <gdh> Definately try the vesa driver thing
[02:26] <Aghaster> ok
[02:26] <Aghaster> lemme reboot and try this
[02:32] <Aghaster> hi again
[02:32] <Aghaster> im on my other comp
[02:32] <Aghaster> i got a console opened on my kubuntu comp
[02:32] <Aghaster> could u plz just tell me again where is located the file to edit^?
[02:33] <Aghaster> gdh
[02:33] <apokryphos> Aghaster: what are you looking to do?
[02:33] <Aghaster> i got a serious problem and it may be caused by the video driver
[02:34] <Aghaster> gdh suggested to change the video driver to vesa
[02:34] <gdh> oh hi
[02:34] <Aghaster> where is the file^?
[02:34] <gdh> it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:34] <Aghaster> ok
[02:34] <apokryphos> Vesa is very generic; might work.
[02:34] <gdh> yup
[02:36] <Aghaster> i dont see the line where i can change the video driver
[02:37] <apokryphos> Go to Section "Device"
[02:37] <Aghaster> ah
[02:37] <Aghaster> i found it
[02:37] <John6000> hi
[02:37] <John6000> kubuntu lookd very good so i downloaded it
[02:37] <John6000> im trying it in vmware and thes a prob
[02:38] <John6000> RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize
[02:38] <John6000> invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 
[02:38] <apokryphos> John6000: That is not a #kubuntu issue; it's a general #ubuntu one, like I said.
[02:38] <John6000> ?
[02:38] <John6000> when did you say that
[02:38] <John6000> who are you
[02:38] <John6000> oh you'
[02:38] <apokryphos> John6000: I said it in #ubuntu, just as you asked your question. Check back.
[02:38] <John6000> are you in #kubuntu   and  #ubuntu at the some time :o
[02:39] <apokryphos> Erm, yeah...
[02:39] <Aghaster> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[02:39] <gdh> Modern technology, eh?
[02:39] <John6000> but noone anserd me in that chanbbel :(
[02:39] <Aghaster> here they say to change the driver to radeon
[02:39] <John6000> yeah
[02:39] <John6000> ok
[02:39] <Aghaster> for the 9200 pro, maybe its the same for the 9200 SE
[02:39] <apokryphos> John6000: that doesn't really justify going into the wrong channel for your question. ;)
[02:39] <John6000> ok
[02:39] <John6000> thanks anyway
[02:39] <gdh> Aghaster: VESA is a very very basic driver that everything works with.
[02:40] <John6000> yeah
[02:40] <John6000> i agree
[02:40] <John6000> VESA 2.0
[02:40] <gdh> If it works, then you've found some subtle incompatibility with your card / chip
[02:40] <gdh> then take the problem to the X.org people
[02:40] <gdh> since it's their domain
[02:40] <John6000> ok
[02:40] <incubii> and while your at it get me a bourbon
[02:40] <John6000> lol
[02:40] <John6000> me too
[02:41] <gdh> John6000: I was talking to Aghaster  :)
[02:41] <John6000> actually
[02:41] <John6000> custart cream
[02:41] <John6000> :(
[02:41] <gdh> It's just cheep lager tonight.. if I have any whisky, I'll be asleep soon after =)
[02:41] <John6000> :o
[02:41] <gdh> I've run out of interesting beers, bleh.
[02:41] <Aghaster> gdh i will try vesa if radeon doesnt work
[02:42] <gdh> Aghaster: kool
[02:42] <John6000> give your pc some booze that might fix it
[02:42] <John6000> 0 to 1 chance
[02:42] <John6000> oh yeah
[02:42] <John6000> you know on the ubuntu site
[02:43] <John6000> yeah?
[02:43] <John6000> know the free cd thing
[02:43] <John6000> do they actuly send them to you?
[02:43] <delltony> hunger, figured out the issue with the dma 
[02:44] <John6000> If you were referred to this site by an existing member of Ubuntu Linux Forums, enter their name here.
[02:44] <John6000> say your name ill put it in the box
[02:44] <John6000> 5
[02:44] <John6000> 4
[02:44] <John6000> 3
[02:44] <John6000> 2
[02:44] <John6000> 1
[02:44] <John6000> too late
[02:44] <gdh> You do indeed get a CD in a tasteful cardboard sleeve...
[02:44] <John6000> wow
[02:44] <John6000> 5 days
[02:44] <gdh> Better to just download it, really :)
[02:44] <John6000> did it take?
[02:45] <Aghaster> totally free?
[02:45] <Aghaster> including free shipping?
[02:45] <John6000> wonder how much money there making on giving free cds away :|
[02:45] <gdh> Nothing's free - it's paid for by the sponsors.
[02:45] <delltony> hdparm is loaded way to early after inspecting the /etc/rcS.d file hdparm is at 07 i deleted it and resymbolic linked it as S29 and it works perfect. just letting you know
[02:45] <Aghaster> nice!
[02:45] <gdh> All balanced against word of mouth / good karma etc.
[02:45] <Aghaster> vesa got it to work
[02:45] <John6000> i ogt a visa
[02:45] <gdh> Aghaster: type 'man radeon' then and start to work through some of the Options 
[02:46] <gdh> oneof them will probably make your card work properly
[02:46] <Aghaster> ok
[02:46] <gdh> If not, write to the X.org people, because this has zero to do with (k)ubuntu
[02:47] <delltony> Aghaster, you gotta problem installing the ati radeon driver or something?
[02:47] <gdh> in fact if you DO get it to work with an Option, tell the X.org people anyway so they can put it in as a default for your PCI ID/vendor/product
[02:47] <Aghaster> hum... the 9200SE is listed in the radeon
[02:47] <Aghaster> i will try again to be sure it doesnt work with "radeon"
[02:48] <John6000> ok
[02:48] <John6000> here mate
[02:48] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:48] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:48] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:48] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:48] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:48] <John6000> see?
[02:48] <John6000> thats my prob there
[02:48] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:53] <Aghaster> "radeon" does not seem to work
[02:53] <Aghaster> i will put back vesa and manually install driver
[02:53] <gdh> Is there an 'ati' driver too? Or is that only for old RAGE 3D cards
[02:53] <gdh> ?
[02:54] <Aghaster> ati was the one by default
[02:55] <Aghaster> well, for now i reinstall ( the one installed was ubuntu, i want kubuntu )
[02:55] <gdh> =)
[02:56] <apokryphos> Aghaster: It's only a different default setup
[02:57] <gdh> yah, the core is the same... KDE and GNOME sit way above any X / driver config.
[02:58] <Aghaster> i had the same problem with both ubuntu and kubuntu
[02:58] <gdh> might be worth looking in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any "EE" lines...
[03:02] <_carlos> hello i del root user, how i do to create new root user . thanks ...
[03:03] <Aghaster> hum... i dunno
[03:03] <Aghaster> maybe someone else knows
[03:05] <_carlos> i can't create a new root user because root user not exist and i haven't permissions for do this.
[03:05] <gdh> how on earth did you manage to do that? :D
[03:05] <gdh> that takes talent.
[03:05] <_carlos> well 
[03:05] <gdh> I feel a song coming on....
[03:05] <Aghaster> did u try to boot in recovery mode?
[03:05] <_carlos> ;o(
[03:06] <Aghaster> recovery mode goes by default in root mode
[03:06] <gdh> in kubuntu you should be able to get a root shell by doing 'sudo bash'
[03:06] <gdh> and type in your own user password (not root pass)
[03:07] <gdh> then you can try something like "adduser --uid 0 root" 
[03:07] <gdh> ( a complete guess)
[03:08] <_carlos> very thanks gdh 
[03:08] <Aghaster> hey i got a question - do the ubuntu/kubuntu creators are african?
[03:08] <apokryphos> Aghaster: no
[03:08] <Aghaster> i dont know much ppl from there, oh...
[03:08] <gdh> I doubt it - just levering on the concept of a 'simpler way of life' I guess?
[03:09] <gdh> Lots of community involvement, etc.
[03:09] <Aghaster> i like the concept of ubuntu
[03:09] <Aghaster> it looks like the true spirit of open source community
[03:09] <gdh> Of course - the marketing worked :)
[03:09] <gdh> I'm just a cynic =)
[03:10] <Aghaster> hey gdh do you know where can i download the wallpaper with the 3 persons in a circle as on the ubuntu main page?
[03:10] <Aghaster> i like it
[03:10] <gdh> No idea, I have a solid colour background
[03:11] <gdh> KDE looks tacky quickly if you add too much fluff.
[03:11] <Aghaster> k
[03:12] <gdh> There's apparently been some flamewar raging about that pic... something about being able to see down the woman's cleavage..
[03:12] <gdh> some people need to relax =)
[03:12] <Aghaster> heh
[03:13] <LeeJunFan> I like the standard kubuntu background myself. nice, clean and not overdone.
[03:14] <apokryphos> hahaha
[03:14] <delltony> anyone know when or if the menu editor option on the gear right click is gonna be fixed or has been fixed?
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> not yet.
[03:15] <delltony> LeeJunFan, that for me?
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> delltony:  don't understand how something so simple could go unfixed for so long.
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> delltony: yeah.
[03:15] <gdh> is K -> run -> kmenuedit that hard ? ;)
[03:16] <delltony> haha no its not
[03:16] <delltony> but if its not to be used why not just take it off the list all together
[03:16] <delltony> its like having a door on your car that never opens
[03:16] <delltony> :)
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> delltony: I don't like fords either.
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> :)
[03:16] <delltony> or having 19 bucks in your bank account and an atm card
[03:16] <delltony> its worthless
[03:17] <omni_lonnie> delltony: you can also right click on a menu item and hit edit, that also opens kmenuedit...
[03:17] <delltony> yep
[03:17] <delltony> that i know
[03:17] <delltony> but i was talking about the specific gear option
[03:18] <omni_lonnie> oh, ok :)
[03:18] <delltony> oh and when or is it ever gonna happen that kmixer will be configurable?
[03:18] <delltony> meaning i need to change it to control pcm instead of master
[03:18] <delltony> cuse master doesn't do jack on my lappy
[03:20] <gdh> delltony: LOL, I have three doors on my car which don't unlock properly :)
[03:20] <gdh> delltony: Unbelievable PITA
[03:20] <gdh> but not enough to go and get it fixed =)
[03:21] <delltony> well you have nothing on my redneck buddy
[03:21] <delltony> this dude i swear to god get this
[03:22] <gdh> Anywya, be grateful there's a menu editor at all.. the GNOME Ubuntu users have nothing except a text editor and fucked-up XML files
[03:22] <delltony> his truck got hit on the door side right, so he got a new door for his truck but was having trouble getting it to align up right
[03:22] <delltony> so he made him a temp door out of cardboard and duct tape
[03:22] <delltony> haha
[03:22] <gdh> I like that :)
[03:22] <delltony> you pull the duct tape and open it up
[03:22] <LeeJunFan> gdh: yeah, and they bash KDE at every chance they get. Yet gnome scares away possible linux converts - children run from it crying.
[03:22] <gdh> I had a 'Pentium 75 in a cardboard box' for a while..
[03:22] <delltony> get in and close it with the duct tape
[03:22] <delltony> haha
[03:22] <gdh> but that beats it =)
[03:23] <delltony> man this dude bowls with me right
[03:23] <gdh> LeeJunFan: I tried GNOME again for the last 2 weeks.. I try it maybe once a year... and every time I come back to KDE...
[03:23] <delltony> you know bowling as in knock down pins and stuff
[03:23] <delltony> well this foo comes up in there with a milk crate
[03:23] <delltony> thats his bowling bag
[03:23] <delltony> haha
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> gdh: yeah, I gave up on trying it about 2 yrs ago.
[03:23] <gdh> LeeJunFan: GNOME is TOO PRESET... someone with FAR more intelligence than you has pre-determined every option you will want, and provides no options to change it.
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> delltony: hehe
[03:24] <delltony> pretty cool what he did though
[03:24] <delltony> he got some pvc pipe made him a handle
[03:24] <delltony> and put some of those training wheels off a bike on it
[03:24] <delltony> and puts his ball in it
[03:24] <delltony> haha
[03:24] <gdh> People criticise KDE for being bewildering with config and checkboxes, but I'd much rather have the choice.
[03:24] <gdh> If I wanted to be spoon fed I'd buy a Mac.
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> delltony: ROTFLMFAO
[03:24] <delltony> gdh, regardless of what it is you always have someone wanting to bitch period
[03:24] <gdh> delltony: amen =)
[03:25] <delltony> i use to be a manager at a retail store, and folks complain about stuff being FREE
[03:25] <delltony> free your giving it to them
[03:25] <delltony> and they bitch
[03:25] <delltony> whats with that
[03:25] <gdh> because they can
[03:25] <gdh> that's why =)
[03:25] <delltony> pretty much
[03:25] <delltony> its like that lady that called 911
[03:25] <delltony> real tape and all right
[03:25] <delltony> they had it on the news
[03:25] <delltony> called complaining that burger king would not make her a cheeseburger right
[03:26] <delltony> and wanted the cops to come down there
[03:26] <delltony> haha
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> gdh: yep, I love linux for what it can do, I love the shell and kde both for what they can, but I hate gnome for what it cant.
[03:26] <gdh> great stuff - isn't America just grat? :)
[03:26] <gdh> +e
[03:26] <delltony> man it's notn just america
[03:26] <delltony> i have been over in germany and other places in the world
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> delltony: people like that scare me. Just how would they react if they had a real issue?
[03:27] <gdh> LeeJunFan: They'd get their therapist to intervene
[03:27] <gdh> they'll have their personal cellphone number on a speed-dial, no doubt
[03:27] <delltony> like the quote goes their are two things that are infinate (space and human stupidity)
[03:27] <delltony> there even
[03:27] <membreya> lol delltony :P
[03:27] <membreya> I think you struck yourself down with that quote :P
[03:27] <LeeJunFan> This town is full of stupid people and they all have to come to me with their problems. hehe
[03:28] <gdh> There are only 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who don't :)
[03:28] <delltony> maybe but that come from einstin (spelling)
[03:28] <membreya> einstein :)
[03:28] <delltony> yeah him too
[03:29] <gdh> Why is the default skin with beep-media-player so unbelievably shit?
[03:33] <gdh> has anyone been able to mount samba shares from the cmdline?
[03:34] <gdh> $ mount -t smbfs -o guest //eddie/mp3 /mnt/mp3
[03:34] <gdh> dmesg says: smbfs: mount_data version 1936029031 is not supported
[03:34] <gdh> that'sa new one on me
[03:35] <aghaster> hi again
[03:35] <aghaster> i'm on kubuntu
[03:37] <membreya> hmmm there's an option to send a program to the desktop ...but how do you do it ?
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> smbfs: mount_data version 1718515050 is not supported
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> and I'm running my own compiled kernel - so it's got to be a samba bug.
[03:42] <gdh> Shit one.. 
[03:42] <gdh> am running a dist-upgrade at the moment.. will see if that makes any difference
[03:42] <apokryphos> membreya: from where? The menu? Right-click..
[03:43] <membreya> nevermind, I've found the option :)
[03:43] <gdh> LeeJunFan: Oh, ffs... smbfs nor smbclient aren't installed... what a stupidly cryptic error :|||
[03:43] <membreya> grrrr ..it says I have to be an admin to change the settings >:(
[03:44] <apokryphos> membreya: for the shortcut?
[03:44] <aghaster> do anyone knows how to setup the root password?
[03:44] <apokryphos> aghaster: yes, but why do you want to?
[03:44] <membreya> it's in configure desktop > background > advanced :)
[03:44] <gdh> aghaster: You don't use a root password, your own user account has full 'sudo' rights
[03:45] <gdh> It reduces the temptation to log in as root. bad bad bad.
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> gdh: shit. And I just filed a bug-report :)
[03:45] <gdh> LeeJunFan: I'd update it with "WTF?!?!" or something similarly productive :)
[03:46] <gdh> root@plip:~# mount /mnt/mp3/
[03:46] <gdh> Anonymous login successful
[03:46] <gdh> works likea charm now
[03:46] <aghaster> ah
[03:46] <aghaster> but do i have to type sudo each time?
[03:47] <gdh> aghaster: yes. (or 'sudo bash' for  a rootshell...)
[03:47] <aghaster> typing su and then typing password is simple
[03:47] <apokryphos> aghaster: Nope. If you're going to do many sudo commands, just do sudo -s
[03:47] <aghaster> ah ok
[03:47] <apokryphos> or the other one :P
[03:47] <gdh> or that :)
[03:47] <gdh> haha
[03:47] <apokryphos> snap
[03:47] <gdh> (I've never used sudo before coming to Ubuntu...)
[03:48] <aghaster> noob question... but where can i access the "home" folder?
[03:48] <apokryphos> Same here. Disliked it at first, then it grew on me, and now I think it's a better way of handling things for Desktop PCs, by a long-shot.
[03:48] <apokryphos> aghaster: /home
[03:48] <gdh> aghaster: second icon from the left
[03:48] <gdh> then top of that list
[03:48] <aghaster> ah good
[03:48] <gdh> i.e. beside the K button
[03:48] <aghaster> hum... rpm -i seem not to work
[03:48] <gdh> I'd hope not
[03:49] <gdh> take your rpms back to mandrakeworld thanks :)
[03:49] <aghaster> how do i install rpms?
[03:50] <apokryphos> aghaster: man alien
[03:50] <aghaster> ok
[03:50] <gdh> apokryphos: That's asking for a fall :)
[03:51] <apokryphos> Man pages are a good place to start on Linux, I think. 
[03:51] <apokryphos> :P
[03:52] <apokryphos> aghaster: If you want to get to know Linux, then I recommend searching a few guides. The beginning of http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz is very good; there are other decent ones for command line etc.
[03:53] <aghaster> i'm quite novice, its only because i was used to fedora core 3
[03:53] <gdh> Debian-based dists are much better... there's generally no need or risk from crap like rpmfind.net
[03:53] <gdh> you don't just 'get an rpm' - the upstream will have alreay prepared high-quality packages for you
[03:54] <apokryphos> Precisely. The only stuff I've ever installed so far has been either themes from kde-look, or CVS.
[03:54] <aghaster> i didnt like fedora core 3 for managing too much things for me
[03:54] <dimmak> has anybody here tried autopackage? i have... and it seems to have killed my internet connection
[03:54] <dimmak> i can only access my router
[03:55] <aghaster> kubuntu seems to be the true spirit of linux, and is quite a light distro
[03:55] <gdh> FC is a RedHate legacy - it's going to carry a lot of baggage with that
[03:55] <Bukkake> Kubuntu discs can be ordered, like Ubuntu, right? heh..
[03:55] <aghaster> thats why i dont use it anymore
[03:55] <gdh> cool =)
[03:55] <apokryphos> Bukkake: yes, but not yet.
[03:55] <Bukkake> oh, okies, thanks
[03:56] <apokryphos> aghaster: I'm x-FC3 myself. It was a decent distro, but there's more power on Ubuntu, it's more pacey (for me), and Deb-based system is superior easily IMO.
[03:56] <aghaster> yep
[03:57] <gdh> Besides, any distro which prides itself on a major change every 6 months needs serious thought...
[03:57] <aghaster> i've tried many distros
[03:57] <aghaster> but i think i just found the one that is for me
[03:57] <apokryphos> :)
[03:57] <dimmak> kubuntu and knoppix for me
[03:57] <regeya> major change...
[03:57] <spreda> Kubuntu is going to be an option on the "shippit" site for hoary?
[03:59] <gdh> Is anyone here actually part of the Kubuntu devels?
[03:59] <apokryphos> gdh: they're all here, but not talking.
[03:59] <gdh> oki...
[03:59] <gdh> Just wanted to rant about KIOSlaves and media players again =) 
[04:00] <aghaster> i'm interested in linux environment C++ programming
[04:01] <aghaster> i will learn how to use "make"
[04:01] <aghaster> and makefiles
[04:01] <gdh> That's a good start :)
[04:02] <aghaster> maybe one day i'll get good enough to do some linux development...
[04:02] <aghaster> but that day may be far away
[04:03] <gdh> In the meantime, go write code for the GNOME crowd :)
[04:03] <aghaster> well, i'm on KDE
[04:03] <gdh> hehe yes I know =) never mind =)
[04:04] <aghaster> do you know a tutorial on linux programming environment?
[04:04] <gdh> I'm not a coder, programming bores me... I'm a systems geek
[04:04] <aghaster> ah ok
[04:04] <gdh> I do some shell and bad Perl, but that's about it.
[04:04] <aghaster> my dream is to become a 1337 coder
[04:05] <aghaster> and to program games
[04:05] <dimmak> hahhahahahah
[04:05] <gdh> Cool :)
[04:05] <aghaster> well, everyone has dreams
[04:05] <aghaster> i'm only 16 so i got plenty of time
[04:07] <dimmak> well make sure to drink lots of alcohol, go to lan parties, have an uncapped cable modem, and hack a gibson
[04:07] <dimmak> all across state lines
[04:07] <aghaster> lol, hack a gibson as in the movie hackers :P
[04:08] <gdh> nono a gibson as in www.grc.com (no, not the mounties :)
[04:08] <dimmak> that is the prerequisite for being 1337
[04:08] <aghaster> :P
[04:09] <aghaster> gdh where are you from?
[04:09] <gdh> Originally from Belfast in Northern Ireland (hello moominski :) but I live in England now
[04:09] <moominski> hi i have ubuntu installed but i want to get kubuntu aswell can u help me ?
[04:10] <aghaster> i'm from quebec
[04:10] <apokryphos> moominski: I already gave you the link. :)
[04:10] <moominski> bout ye feckin great
[04:10] <gdh> aghaster: I recogise videotron :)
[04:10] <moominski> lol
[04:10] <gdh> moominski: :D
[04:10] <moominski> im a noob soz
[04:10] <moominski> sweet m8 happy days 
[04:10] <gdh> moominski: There's a HOWTO on the go about how to install KDE... after all Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same core
[04:10] <gdh> jsut different UI packages
[04:11] <apokryphos> gdh: I gave him the URL, I guess he didn't want to click. ;)
[04:11] <aghaster> :P
[04:11] <moominski> yeah i understand there difference m8 i just like kde is all
[04:12] <gdh> moominski: I can understand not wanting to download another ISO.. after all that's one CD less off your ntl monthly warez cap, right? :)
[04:12] <dimmak> gdh:  is trying to articulate that it shouldn't be any trouble at all
[04:12] <dimmak> just read the faq
[04:12] <aghaster> hey i got problems reading audio CD
[04:13] <moominski> lol m8
[04:13] <moominski> i dotn give a hoots i just download wot i want
[04:14] <dimmak> moominski: your superior intellect renders me incapable of communicating with you
[04:15] <gdh> Forgive the local dialect =)
[04:16] <moominski> wy dude im just a stoner
[04:16] <gdh> No shit =)
[04:17] <dimmak> haha
[04:21] <moominski> man it keeps sayin this E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:21] <apokryphos> moominski: you're not readin the link :)
[04:21] <moominski> i did
[04:21] <moominski> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:22] <apokryphos> You really didn't. It specifically says -- at the very top -- that if you have Warty you can only get kde 3.2, in which case you want the kde-core package
[04:22] <apokryphos> *not* the kubuntu-desktop one
[04:22] <gdh> The lines are thin but they are there :) try looking just in between them :)
[04:22] <moominski> well that all very confusin to me m8
[04:22] <moominski> lol
[04:22] <gdh> I'd try again in the morning, tbh
[04:23] <apokryphos> Confusing? Erm, how? I couldn't dream of that part in plainer language. :)
[04:23] <moominski> gdh r u allways on here m8
[04:23] <gdh> this is my first time (oo-er)
[04:23] <gdh> debian geek for ages - first time I've use ubuntu 
[04:23] <moominski> wot do u think
[04:23] <gdh> am just sitting drinking and playing crap tunes
[04:24] <gdh> I installed Kubuntu to start with :)
[04:24] <moominski> i didnt even no it was out there
[04:24] <moominski> only new about ubuntu
[04:24] <gdh> Aye, that'd KDE always playing second fiddle
[04:25] <moominski> only started usin linux the otherday
[04:25] <gdh> Ahh... Kubuntu is still a bit rough round the edges
[04:25] <apokryphos> indeed
[04:25] <gdh> so now and again it'll need some Linux knowledge to dip into...
[04:25] <moominski> its im sure i wud hardly notice
[04:26] <moominski> stoned and cant type
[04:26] <apokryphos> moominski: to get really into your distro, and be able to do things, it's really worth looking through a few basic Linux guides. They really help.
[04:26] <apokryphos> Linux can be daunting, but understood with diligence.
[04:27] <moominski> i have been ive read loads of stuff i just keep trying to do things on linux the way i do on windows
[04:28] <apokryphos> moominski: well, keep at it ;). We're here to help, too. :)
[04:29] <moominski> E: Package kde-core has no installation candidate
[04:29] <moominski> get this now
[04:29] <apokryphos> moominski: not reading :P
[04:29] <apokryphos> in Warty, you have to enable the Universe repository first.
[04:29] <moominski> omg im really tha dumb am i
[04:29] <gdh> moominski: Seriously, if your head is on the moon, try again in the morning =)
[04:30] <moominski> lol
[04:30] <apokryphos> I recommend upgrading to hoary though; kde 3.2 is quite dated.
[04:30] <moominski> need a smoke , btw i dont go to bed im a stoner told ya
[04:31] <moominski> i did upgrade to hoary
[04:31] <apokryphos> No, you haven't. :P
[04:31] <moominski> i must have it
[04:32] <apokryphos> well, cat /etc/issue then
[04:32] <aghaster> does GCC comes with kubuntu?
[04:32] <moominski> hmm now how did that happen
[04:32] <apokryphos> aghaster: repositories. Go for the build-essential package.
[04:33] <aghaster> hum?
[04:33] <apokryphos> moominski: you installed warty. :)
[04:33] <aghaster> so its not?
[04:33] <apokryphos> aghaster: nope, it's not.
[04:33] <aghaster> huh, that program should be included with the distro
[04:33] <apokryphos> but 98% of the stuff you need for general building is in that package
[04:33] <moominski> ok now how do i get hoary 
[04:33] <gdh> moom: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/hoary-install-i386.iso
[04:33] <apokryphos> moominski: that link I gave was very useful ;)
[04:33] <gdh> 600M
[04:33] <gdh> download and go to bed :)
[04:34] <apokryphos> gdh: no point, if he's already got warty.
[04:34] <gdh> OKi, fair enough
[04:34] <apokryphos> moominski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:34] <moominski> k
[04:38] <moominski> rite wots the command to gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:38] <gdh> yep, that's it :)
[04:39] <gdh> you probably want to 'sudo' before that, though.
[04:39] <moominski> u guys where lettin me do the work formyself
[04:39] <moominski> just gotta read dont ya
[04:39] <gdh> Nothing quite like free software, eh? :)
[04:39] <gdh> all self-service =)
[04:40] <moominski> wots the command to edit that file
[04:40] <gdh> nano <filena,e>
[04:40] <gdh> or whatever editor you prefer.. gedit would've been fine
[04:41] <gdh> (assuming it was installed :)
[04:41] <moominski> yes but i dont no the command to edit it i can only get read only
[04:42] <dimma1> anybody know what the "malformed url" shortcut on the quicklauncher is from?
[04:43] <dimma1> you have to manually add the quicklauncher to a panel... i prefer the smaller icons on it
[04:43] <gdh> moominski: you need to prefix the command with "sudo"
[04:43] <gdh> that will get you root access
[04:46] <Wurstmeister> hey all... I just dist-upgraded my father's Kubuntu system (there was like 130 new packages...) and all of the sudden the whole panel is missing all the application lunchers etc. (like the K button in the left lower corner) Any ideas what happened ?
[04:46] <apokryphos> Wurstmeister: there's problems with the current packages. Bad time to dist-upgrade ;)
[04:46] <Wurstmeister> hehe
[04:46] <gdh> oh?
[04:46] <Wurstmeister> it's not my box :)
[04:46] <apokryphos> unfortunately you'll have to add all that stuff manually, though it's not much :P
[04:47] <Wurstmeister> I did 
[04:47] <Wurstmeister> most of it at least
[04:47] <gdh> will wait until apr 6th :)
[04:47] <Wurstmeister> will do
[04:47] <apokryphos> gdh: It's a few things; nothing critical. A few .kde settings, and kicker stuff.
[04:47] <apokryphos> gdh: or just until end of month, if you like :P. RC.
[04:47] <Wurstmeister> Hopefully it'll get fixed next time I'll do dist-upgrade
[04:48] <gdh> Cool. I hope someone notices my little plea on the SuggestedPackages Wiki page for the Pocket PC Konnector =)
[04:48] <apokryphos> Wurstmeister: Yup; should be fine. I do loads of dist-upgrades, and this is the first time I've encountered problems with it, ever.
[04:48] <gdh> that'd be so good to have - it's nearly impossible to compile afterwards since it needs to many -dev packages that don't exist :)
[04:48] <apokryphos> gdh: they will probably, eventually. ;)
[04:49] <Wurstmeister> That's fine
[04:49] <gdh> apokryphos: That's it, I'm just doing what I can to influence future events :)
[04:49] <moominski> man i can get into that file 
[04:49] <Wurstmeister> I ssh-ed to my father's box and did dist-upgrade... he called me and said WTF has happened to his Kicker :)
[04:49] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:50] <gdh> Wurstmeister: Wow, my dad would've said something like 'my windows is broken'
[04:50] <Wurstmeister> Well :) I installed Kubuntu on his box the next day it came out
[04:50] <Wurstmeister> wanted him to experience LINUX :)
[04:50] <smouche> got a xorg issue here (I assume)-- is anyone having a problem with desktop background gradients-- or any kde wallpaper using gradients-- looking awful?
[04:51] <Wurstmeister> he's cool with trying new things
[04:51] <smouche> other visuals look fine
[04:51] <Roey> hi
[04:51] <Roey> what package are alternative keyboard layouts in?
[04:51] <Roey> I don't have /any/ listed here...
[04:51] <incubii> yeah i do smouche, i restart the xserver and everything is fine
[04:51] <apokryphos> Wurstmeister: a very good choice :). I hope he likes it.
[04:52] <Wurstmeister> well...things are being worked on..I told him that this is developer's cutting edge stuff and he'll have to wait till the final release
[04:52] <smouche> incubii, this happens every time-- it seems permanent for me.  Restarting doesn't help
[04:52] <smouche> unless I'm missing something
[04:52] <apokryphos> Wurstmeister: nice ;)
[04:52] <Wurstmeister> He's PC illiterate
[04:52] <apokryphos> heh
[04:52] <Wurstmeister> why expose him to windows  :) ?
[04:53] <apokryphos> Evil
[04:53] <gdh> I like it :)
[04:53] <Wurstmeister> well he's dual botting win2000
[04:53] <gdh> Ah the dirty truth falls out =)
[04:53] <incubii> oh well mine only lasts till i restart the xserver, but every time i reboot ti comes back. one solution was to set a modeline in teh config but alas taht does nto do anything for me
[04:54] <Wurstmeister> He's getting away from win2k more and more
[04:54] <gdh> definately play up the whole security / privacy / spyware thing =)
[04:54] <Wurstmeister> I just need to make sure that he can watch those stupid little wmv clips
[04:55] <Wurstmeister> Mplayer plugins will be installed shortly
[04:55] <smouche> hmm, thanks for replying incubii.  A mystery, eh?  Could this have something to do with my having a widescreen display?  
[04:55] <gdh> yeh if need be you can get the w32codecs package from christian marillat's debian repository..
[04:55] <Wurstmeister> yup
[04:55] <gdh> I'm sure they'll be fine with Ub...
[04:55] <Wurstmeister> that is what I use
[04:55] <apokryphos> Wurstmeister: hehe. Yup; have you checked thew iki article?
[04:55] <incubii> well i guess its possivle
[04:55] <apokryphos> ok, cool.
[04:55] <Wurstmeister> I run Sarge here
[04:56] <Wurstmeister> got all the plugins
[04:56] <incubii> might wanna post in the forums and see what you get
[04:56] <apokryphos> Qool
[04:56] <incubii> i ran sarge on my G4. it was such a complete mess
[04:56] <Wurstmeister> mozplugger is giving me some probs once in a while
[04:56] <incubii> the installer was lovely though
[04:56] <gdh> Hah, it should get a good review from the Linux paper magazines then
[04:57] <gdh> since all they ever compare on is how pretty the installer is and if it detected all their hardware
[04:57] <incubii> the one thing the ubuntu installer needs is adding the proxy question like the sarge one did
[04:57] <gdh> People still use proxies thesedays? How quaint :)
[04:57] <incubii> we do at work
[04:58] <incubii> saves DLing the same thing 200 times
[04:58] <gdh> Sounds like a good case for a PXE boot image :)
[04:58] <Wurstmeister> Ubuntu is very nice
[04:58] <incubii> im working on that actually
[04:58] <Wurstmeister> Kubuntu as well
[04:58] <incubii> but then we need a gigabit network
[04:58] <incubii> as that would be too many machines
[04:59] <Wurstmeister> I will drop it on my other box
[04:59] <Wurstmeister> when the final is out
[04:59] <gdh> incubii: I run a Linux call centre - as long as your switches have gbit you're OK :)
[04:59] <gdh> each w/s only needs 100mbit
[04:59] <gdh> since 12MB/sec is perfectly adequate.
[05:00] <incubii> how many machines run through the switch
[05:00] <gdh> everything is diskless + NFS/NIS based...
[05:00] <Wurstmeister> sweet
[05:00] <gdh> We're a small outfit.. only 30 Linux clients on one 1Gbit NIC at the server
[05:00] <incubii> well i want to do that but unfortunatly they still want windows here
[05:00] <gdh> I should really plug the second in and do some resilience...
[05:00] <incubii> that an OS X but thats another story
[05:01] <gdh> Unless you get all machine wanting to reboot at the same time, there's no speed drop ever
[05:01] <incubii> thinking of doing OS X the PXE way
[05:01] <incubii> but the problem with PXE boot is if the server goes down thats it
[05:01] <gdh> v. true :)
[05:02] <incubii> though with my workplace id have 3 servers for redundancy
[05:02] <gdh> We have a pair of machines and each is configured to be ready to take over the task of the other if need be
[05:02] <gdh> maybe 10-20 mins of frantic typing on my behalf then we're back up
[05:02] <incubii> ah! a smart work place
[05:02] <gdh> not an auto-failover, but not bad :)
[05:02] <incubii> glad ours isnt the only one
[05:02] <incubii> lol
[05:03] <gdh> I'm scaring myself at the moment with OSPF and load-balancing...
[05:03] <incubii> yeah atuo-failover is so nice when ti works
[05:03] <gdh> It's all just very slightly above my head, but I can bluff it OK so that's all that matters =)
[05:03] <incubii> heh
[05:04] <incubii> i had to take over this place from a previous ghost image server
[05:04] <incubii> it was horrible
[05:04] <incubii> 47 different machine images to manage
[05:04] <incubii> fuck that
[05:04] <gdh> eech
[05:04] <gdh> We have 'Shuttle' PCs all on one shared NFS root image.
[05:04] <incubii> converted the whol windows section to Unattended Network Install
[05:04] <incubii> much much better now
[05:05] <Roey> anyone using kxkb for different keyboard layouts?  How come no extra keyboard layouts are listed for me??
[05:05] <gdh> Roey: No, none of us have weird keyboards :)
[05:05] <incubii> i want to try a dvorak kb
[05:05] <gdh> Wow that'd be a mindfuck =)
[05:05] <incubii> they are meant to be more natural arent they ?
[05:05] <incubii> once you get use to them
[05:06] <Roey> they're not
[05:06] <Roey> there's no difference in typing speed, it's all myth.
[05:06] <gdh> Yeh in the same way that your eyes actually get an upside down image but your brain reverses it...
[05:08] <BamaJank> How can I find my kernel version from the command line?
[05:08] <gdh> uname -a
[05:08] <incubii> heh i watched a science show where at one uni they were putting headsets on people and reversing the image so when they took it off people saw upside down as normal
[05:08] <gdh> incubii: I saw that :)
[05:09] <smouche> I'm having a helluva time getting the "us-intl" (us with dead keys) layout to work write.  And switching layouts seems to screw things up.  This stuff if much easier in windows
[05:09] <gdh> incubii: the folklore story on that topic I heard was of a guy who wore 'upside down' glasses until his brain flipped the image.. then took them off.. until his brain corrected..
[05:09] <gdh> and repeated this... until he had a mental breakdown
[05:09] <smouche> heh heh, "work write" 
[05:09] <incubii> lol
[05:09] <smouche> see, I can't even type.  Fucking layouts!
[05:10] <gdh> Who cares if it's true or not- it's still funny :)
[05:10] <Roey> um
[05:10] <incubii> i just run xorgconfig, smouche
[05:10] <Roey> do you guys SEE any layouts??
[05:11] <incubii> well i dont need any diff layout from 101 generic us
[05:11] <smouche> incubii -- any improvements?
[05:11] <smouche> I haven't run xorgconfig 
[05:12] <BamaJank> so I have 2.6.10-5 and it isn't available in the repository?  hrm...
[05:12] <incubii> well soemtimes when i install my USB mouse is recognised so i run that to set it. even though its just as easy to edit xorg.conf ,lol
[05:12] <incubii> isnt*
[05:12] <smouche> I need my dead keys, dammit.  But I also need apostrophes.  I don't know how any body who uses more than one language copes with linux.  But I'm an ignorant noob, I know...
[05:13] <gdh> Linux is only a front for America to take over even more of the free-thinking world :)
[05:13] <gdh> discuss =)
[05:14] <daaku> any kde guru's? i'm trying to get konqueror to use my specific font only.. and i think i need to do it using the custom stylesheet option.. any help would be appreciated
[05:14] <regeya> gdh: *cough* finland *cough*
[05:14] <BamaJank> There is #kde 
[05:15] <gdh> Bah it's all just a cover operation for the TRUE cause ;)
[05:16] <dimmak> i lost internet access after an autopackage installation... can anybody help me get it back? i am not getting much help from the #autopackage community... apparently i am an anomaly
[05:16] <smouche> What pisses me off though, is that there are Englsih speakers who may have occasion to at least quote something in another language -- but the folks who set a lot of standards seem to have been relentlessly monolingual
[05:16] <dimmak> i just want internet back on my desktop:-(
[05:16] <smouche> shit. Englsih speakers, heh, I am one, believe it or not.  This keyboard is larger than the one I'm used to...
[05:17] <gdh> smouche: I'll certainly admit that I miss the Windows style of being able to do common accents on a US/UK keyboard by Ctrl-Alt-E etc.
[05:17] <gdh> I have absolutely no idea how to do accented characters in Linux 
[05:17] <incubii> id help you if i knew what autopackage was
[05:17] <smouche> my favorite thoughtless English chauvinist idiocy is the use of CamelCase for wikis -- how the hell do Germans cope with that?
[05:17] <gdh> Yeh, I've never heard of autopackage
[05:18] <gdh> smouche: That statement means nothing whatsoever to me, sorry :|
[05:18] <regeya> CamelCase IsNot ProperEnglish
[05:18] <smouche> gdh, the US-International keyboard for windows is the greatest invention since sliced bread.
[05:18] <dimmak> autopackage.org ... you'll be redirected to a random mirror due to the recent slashdotting
[05:19] <regeya> a popular Python-based wiki is MoinMoin, written by a german
[05:19] <dimmak> i first heard about it when gaim provided a .package installation
[05:19] <incubii> we use moinmoin at work
[05:19] <smouche> gdh, German requires Capitalization for every Noun.  CamelCased wiki names don't work well for that.
[05:19] <gdh> Ah, only one step away from Microsoft's lngHungarianNotation
[05:19] <incubii> yuck i hate hungarian notation
[05:19] <gdh> amen :)
[05:19] <dimmak> but at the moment... i can access my router on my network... i just can't get past it to the internet
[05:19] <dimmak> so i can't ping google.com or anything
[05:20] <incubii> have you set your gateway to the router ip
[05:20] <dimmak> it happened after doing an autopackage of firefox 1.0.2 ... i just want to fix it
[05:20] <regeya> so when I name a variable isThisStupid, does God kill a puppy?
[05:20] <dimmak> everything looks normal in ifconfig
[05:20] <incubii> depends is the Puppy of type Integer
[05:20] <gdh> regeya: three, actually.
[05:20] <Roey> HI
[05:20] <regeya> gah!
[05:21] <gdh> Either 1) you should inherently KNOW asa coder what the type is.. 
[05:21] <Roey> what are the nvidia packages for kubuntu, besides nvidia-glx ?
[05:21] <smouche> GodKillsPuppiesNoMatterWhatYouDoRegeya
[05:21] <gdh> or. 2) it shouldn't MATTER to the language.
[05:21] <Roey> what are the nvidia packages for xorg?
[05:21] <incubii> i cant be arse making my current kubuntu work. KDE just stops at initiaizing peripherals
[05:22] <gdh> Roey: apt-cache search nvidia turns up a lot of things...
[05:22] <dimmak> hey... it crawls for me there too
[05:22] <gdh> including the 'linux-restricted-modules' packages
[05:22] <dimmak> initializing peripherals slows way down
[05:22] <gdh> (probably from multiverse)
[05:22] <incubii> the problem with hungarian notation is non-english people have a hard time reading the variable names and functions etc
[05:22] <smouche> yeah, incubii-- it kind of hangs on peripherals for me too, but eventually makes it.  I avoid the whole thing most of the time by just hibernating.
[05:22] <Roey> gdh:  I'VE LOOKED.
[05:23] <incubii> well it worked the first install
[05:23] <Roey> gdh:  I isntalled nvidia-glx
[05:23] <Roey> gdh:  but that's just for the kernel.
[05:23] <incubii> but everyone after that fails there
[05:23] <Roey> gdh:  not X.
[05:23] <Roey> gdh:  not xorg rather.
[05:23] <incubii> nto really important though, after all it is only a preview release
[05:24] <incubii> what annoyed me more was i couldnt watch DVDs but i could use the DVD burner to burn them
[05:24] <incubii> :D
[05:24] <smouche> Sometimes, it just skips starting my touchpad altogether.  Fortunately there's a switch on this laptop that'll start it.  Usually.
[05:26] <gdh> Roey: Are you sure? 
[05:26] <gdh> roey: nvidia-glx contains the file ./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o 
[05:26] <gdh> amongst many others
[05:26] <dimmak> i do get a no ipv6 routers present message when i run dmesg
[05:26] <moominski> where do i download Dependencies
[05:28] <Roey> gdh:  hmm.
[05:28] <Roey> gdh:  oh, it's the kernel modules, sorry
[05:29] <gdh> =)
[05:29] <Roey> gdh:  right..see, I installed 7791 through the nvidia package manager
[05:29] <Roey> gdh:  and now I have 7791 (7167 rather, sorry)
[05:29] <Roey> gdh:  on Xorg
[05:29] <Roey> er
[05:29] <gdh> It's a bit out of my league - my computer has an old Matrox PCI Mystique :)
[05:29] <Roey> 7167 on the kernel
[05:30] <Roey> and 6691 on xorg.
[05:30] <gdh> but yeh the mismatched versions will be fatal =)
[05:30] <gdh> hurray for closed source drivers, eh?
[05:30] <incubii> i like binary drivers
[05:30] <incubii> we need more of them
[05:30] <gdh> gotta protect their intellectual property <pfff>
[05:31] <gdh> i.e. they daren't show us how many software patches are needed to work around bugs in the buggy hardware they had to rush out the door to beat ATI. :)
[05:31] <Roey> smouche:  they're fucked in the head.
[05:31] <Roey> anyhow,
[05:31] <gdh> GNOME people are generally paying rent to live up their own backsides
[05:31] <apokryphos> smouche: Heh. Debaticles in there are funny; very rarely get heated, which is good.
[05:31] <smouche> Roey:   but still capable of talking and feeding themselves...
[05:31] <gdh> it's all a tax dodge
[05:32] <Roey> smouche:  I know, it's ironic.
[05:32] <apokryphos> moominski: apt/synaptic
[05:32] <Roey> smouche:  so where is the Kernel module for nvidia located?
[05:32] <gdh> yeh I've only just noticed the tiem...
[05:32] <gdh> night, all =)
[05:32] <smouche> like I know, Roey?  sorry!  
[05:33] <incubii> nitee
[05:33] <Roey> ok
[05:35] <pepsi> so change it to a 12 hour clock
[05:35] <incubii> lol
[05:35] <regeya> yes
[05:35] <incubii> im use to 24 hour
[05:36] <Roey> same here.
[05:36] <incubii> kubuntu ppc should come with an smp kernel on the cd
[05:36] <regeya> I believe the 12-24 hour thing is linked to region, so if you're from, say, USia and have your lang set to en_US it should be 12-hour
[05:36] <smouche> pepsi, I can't find an option for that.  Not in the "configure clock" dialog, anyway
[05:36] <regeya> though I dunno
[05:37] <pepsi> right click on it and go to Preferences
[05:37] <pepsi> oh shit
[05:37] <pepsi> this is #kubuntu
[05:37] <smouche> well, it seems like I set the region about 8 times already, but I'll try again
[05:37] <incubii> lol
[05:37] <pepsi> so i dunno
[05:37] <pepsi> its probably something similar though :D
[05:38] <smouche> yeah, set to Eastern Time.  There's no option here for 12 hour format, at least in the panel clock applet
[05:38] <regeya> the only thing I know of is changing your region
[05:38] <incubii> yeah set it to australia
[05:38] <incubii> you know you want to
[05:38] <smouche> 'course I could use "fuzzy clock"... ;-)
[05:39] <regeya> you can do so through the control center:  Regional & Accessibility -> Country/Region & Language
[05:39] <regeya> or alternatively
[05:39] <regeya> if you're in a region that defaults to 24-hour time
[05:40] <omni_lonnie> or right click on the clock applet and click "Date & Time Format"
[05:40] <regeya> in that same entry, you can change it under the time & dates tab
[05:40] <regeya> or that
[05:40] <regeya> :-}
[05:40] <incubii> or just learn 24 hour time
[05:40] <omni_lonnie> ;)
[05:40] <regeya> gets you to the same panel!  teehee
[05:42] <smouche> omni_lonnie -- that must be the options screen I missed.  
[05:42] <smouche> Seems to me all that stuff should be available under "configure clock"
[05:42] <omni_lonnie> yep, but it's there :)
[05:42] <incubii> you know the installer should say "updating apt repositories" instaled of "testing network repository"
[05:42] <incubii> instead*
[05:43] <smouche> anyway, thanks omni_lonnie --
[05:43] <omni_lonnie> no prob
[05:44] <smouche> I have to guess at the settings, and I think the panel needs to be restarted to even see the changes...
[05:45] <regeya> yes
[05:45] <regeya> I'm guessing you want 12-hour.  there's an option labeled 'pH:MM:SS AMPM' 
[05:45] <regeya> clear as mud
[05:46] <smouche> yeah, that's it...
[05:46] <regeya> and yeah, the clock has to be restarted...
[05:46] <smouche> thanks folks!
[05:48] <smouche> actually, what I'd really like is to have more than one clock in a panel, with different time zones, but I'm assuming those settings are global only...
[05:49] <omni_lonnie> actually, you can have dofferent time zones on different clocks
[05:50] <omni_lonnie> just right click on one and choose "Show Timezone".  Each clock applet can be set seperately!
[05:50] <smouche> hey, youe right -- cool!
[05:50] <smouche> ooops, damn dead keys...
[05:54] <smouche> kde is just too damn fun to fiddle with... amazing how much stuff I can run on here with 512 megs ram.  Now, if only there were an applet to force me to get my work done...
[05:54] <difekta> kde is fun?
[05:55] <difekta> you should check out gnom.
[05:55] <difekta> gnome even.
[05:55] <difekta> it looks way cooler.
[05:55] <omni_lonnie> smouche: unfortunately I have the same problem ;)
[05:55] <smouche> Well, then difekta, we won't try to make you difekt.
[05:55] <difekta> difekta means "broken"
[05:55] <difekta> it's esperanto.  similar to the word "defective".
[05:55] <smouche> Once I turned off the freakin' bouncing cursors, I was very happy.
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> difekta: obviously - you're using gnome :p
[05:56] <difekta> kde seems way overdone and windows-like.
[05:56] <omni_lonnie> Windows?  if only wondows was this cool!
[05:56] <difekta> lemme try it again though and see whether it's gotten better.. /me goes to another xterm.
[05:56] <omni_lonnie> -windows
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> difekta: gnome seems undone and childlike.
[05:56] <difekta> it just looks way windows-like.
[05:56] <difekta> i don't see that at all.
[05:56] <difekta> it's way more sleek and refined looking.
[05:57] <difekta> lemme log into kde here..
[05:57] <smouche> It's nothing like windows.
[05:57] <difekta> oh it's soooo like windows.
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> difekta: how do you edit menu's again?
[05:57] <difekta> edit menus?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> difekta: in gnome?
[05:57] <smouche> hah hah!
[05:58] <smouche> good point, LeeJunFan
[05:58] <omni_lonnie> well, it has windows, icons, a "start menu", a "trash can" and a lot more...
[05:58] <difekta> you mean the menu in the task bar?
[05:58] <difekta> /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> difekta: yeah.
[05:58] <difekta> freedesktop guidelines.
[05:58] <omni_lonnie> oh, wait that is mac like too...
[05:58] <omni_lonnie> and gnome like too ;)
[05:58] <difekta> i think gnome is way more mac-like.  aesthetic, pleasing to the eye.  sophisticated.
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> personally I can't stand the mac granny look n feel.
[05:59] <omni_lonnie> umm ok, but this is the *k*ubuntu channel ;)
[06:00] <difekta> doh..i don't have kde.
[06:00] <difekta> it looks so sleek and futuristic.
[06:00] <smouche> People let too much ride on how a distro looks "out of the box".
[06:01] <difekta> woah..half a gig?  forget that.
[06:01] <difekta> i toyed with kde.  it has all of these way commercial feeling look-and-feel theme choosing options.
[06:01] <difekta> it's terrible.  it feels so plasticy and commercialized.
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> difekta: yeah, that size comes from features like a menu editor. :)
[06:02] <difekta> you can edit the menu in gnome just fine.
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> difekta: and a mac doesn't?
[06:02] <Roey> helloo again
[06:02] <difekta> no.
[06:02] <omni_lonnie> smouche: I agree.  I *always* customize the desktop I'm using no mater what it is...
[06:02] <difekta> okay, the "plastic" theme is absolutely atrocious.
[06:03] <smouche> kde is far less confusing for a new linux user, not because it's "like windows" but because (most of) the menus etc are self-explanatory, many of the applets work a lot better, it's just less aggravating to learn how to use...
[06:03] <smouche> imho
[06:03] <dimmak> i don't like gnome spatial file management by default... and is there an easy way to edit window settings in gnome?
[06:03] <dimmak> like eliminating the border
[06:04] <smouche> dimmak, don't know, I dropped gnome for kde -- try the #ubuntu channel.
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: last time I used gnome you couldn't even chose fonts w/o some cryptic string/name.
[06:04] <dimmak> kde has more potential to get cluttered up
[06:04] <dimmak> but i prefer it
[06:04] <smouche> but dimmak, I think you need to look at the metacity or nautilus settings buried in gconfig.
[06:05] <dimmak> i don't plan on touching gnome for a while... i was just interested
[06:05] <incubii> i prefer KDE
[06:05] <incubii> gnome jsut prohibits me from doing anything
[06:06] <smouche> The latest version of kde seems like a gigantic improvement over ones I tried before, and the (k)ubuntu packaging was very very good
[06:06] <calc> LeeJunFan: erm font chooser looks roughly like kde's
[06:07] <smouche> I detest that gconfig thing in gnome.  How's a new user even supposed to know that they have to look at the settings for "metacity", buried in with all other apps, just so they can alter window behaviour?
[06:07] <calc> LeeJunFan: so maybe you haven't used gnome in many years?
[06:07] <calc> smouche: they aren't supposed to use gconf-editor
[06:08] <smouche> I mean shit, a new user doesn't even know what "metacity" is.
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> calc: yeah, I know it's been a while. I used to be hardcore anti qpl license, so I stuck it with gnome for a long time. But when qt relaxed a bit I was able to like kde better.
[06:08] <calc> the part they are supposed to modify is exposed in preferences options
[06:08] <calc> on ubuntu that is system->preferences->window
[06:08] <smouche> I couldn't find anything in those (awful) gnome menus that I *was* supposed to use, though, calc
[06:09] <calc> smouche: not my fault you are illiterate :)
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> but I always hated gnomes rough edges and lack of standard features, etc... I'm gonna give it a try on one of my other systems in the next couple days - the live demo, just to check it out.
[06:10] <smouche> that's gnome elitism all the way... ;-)  Actually, I know there's a "gnome control panel", but when I tried gnome warty, inexplicably it didn't appear in any menus.  Just gconfig.
[06:10] <dimmak> well i am gonna play around with ndiswrapper... see you llater
[06:10] <calc> LeeJunFan: i was the same way but found kde very lacking in consistency so switched back to gnome
[06:10] <calc> perhaps kubuntu fixed the problems with kde upstream
[06:11] <incubii> gnome cant use my dialup
[06:11] <incubii> i have to dial from the console
[06:11] <incubii> :D
[06:11] <calc> that was broken for many years on kde as well
[06:11] <calc> at least in debian
[06:12] <calc> primarily i guess since no developers used dialup
[06:12] <delltony> man i feel for folks that use dialup now days
[06:13] <delltony> ha 28.8kb i use 1000kb up and down a dedicated server :D
[06:14] <incubii> we have 2mb/2mb at work
[06:14] <incubii> that i continaully flat line
[06:14] <incubii> lol
[06:14] <calc> i used to have 8000/640
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> I've got 4down/2up.
[06:14] <delltony> i gotta get my porn fast :)
[06:14] <incubii> we are trying to get 8/8
[06:15] <incubii> which means i get my isos even faster
[06:15] <incubii> :D
[06:15] <delltony> well actually the server i use is not capped
[06:15] <smouche> Good night, one and all, or good morning, or whatever time zone applies, and thanks for the help and hints
[06:15] <incubii> pff clean install of kubuntu and it still hangs on peripherals
[06:16] <delltony> but as long as as i average 1920 a sec then they leave the cap off
[06:16] <calc> since i haven't been uploading kde in the past few months i haven't really missed fast internet
[06:16] <delltony> so at times ill shoot it thru the roof
[06:16] <calc> i only have 1000/128 now
[06:16] <regeya> hangs on peripherals...
[06:16] <regeya> ?
[06:16] <incubii> yeah KDE does
[06:16] <regeya> ?
[06:16] <incubii> then it goes away to jsut the background and does nothign else
[06:17] <incubii> 1 out of 10 installs has actually worked
[06:17] <regeya> wow...I must have one of those 10
[06:17] <incubii> im on PPC though
[06:17] <incubii> ;)
[06:17] <regeya> heh
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> I've installed on about 4 now - all good.
[06:17] <incubii> i dont want it on my PC
[06:18] <incubii> just my duel G4
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> I've done a couple amd64's and a couple i386.
[06:20] <incubii> woa its getting there slowly
[06:20] <incubii> omg it appeard
[06:21] <incubii> ow!
[06:21] <incubii> it onyl took 10 mins to load KDE
[06:21] <incubii> :D
[06:21] <difekta> OKAY, I challenge anybody to top this screenshot in KDE : http://brokenladder.com/images/SCREENSHOT.PNG
[06:21] <calc> incubii: do you have a lo interface?
[06:22] <incubii> eh probably, the nic grabs DHCP assigned ip of the windows 2k3 ICS
[06:22] <incubii> yeah i got lo
[06:23] <difekta> you give up don't you?  that's right.  because gnome owns kde.
[06:23] <regeya> difekta: 
[06:23] <incubii> what are we trying to TOP exactly ?
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> slackware dropped gnome.
[06:23] <difekta> something that looks that slick.
[06:23] <difekta> no way1
[06:23] <incubii> you have a few windows open
[06:23] <incubii> wow!
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/28/009237&from=rss
[06:23] <incubii> with a crud theme
[06:23] <difekta> right.  open windows is what most people do in a gui.
[06:23] <difekta> crud?
[06:23] <regeya> wow, that's an ugly screenie
[06:23] <difekta> it's slick as hell.
[06:23] <difekta> you are insane.
[06:23] <chavo> difekta, http://2sdw.com/images/3-13.png
[06:24] <incubii> pff its an OS X crappy clone
[06:24] <difekta> i have a mac osx wallpaper with an awesome minimalistic slick-ass-hell setup.
[06:25] <incubii> what theme is that shavo
[06:25] <incubii> chavo*
[06:25] <difekta> that's okay i guess.  but the icon theme is silly.
[06:25] <difekta> way overdone.
[06:25] <chavo> difekta, http://2sdw.com/images/2-23.png
[06:25] <difekta> and the kmail logo ruins your whole shot because it's so ugly.
[06:26] <difekta> 404 on that one dude.
[06:26] <difekta> i do like the minimalistic aspect of the first shot.
[06:26] <chavo> http://2sdw.com/images/02-23.png
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> not as ugly as all those nasty square lesstif looking gtk widgets.
[06:26] <difekta> square looks better.
[06:26] <difekta> there are round gtk things too.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> they still look plain and old.
[06:27] <incubii> lol regeya
[06:27] <difekta> a perfect kde example there.  the title bars have gradients, which look terrible.  and the pop-up menu there has an embossed look.
[06:27] <incubii> likewise
[06:28] <incubii> still loading the first one :D
[06:28] <difekta> instead of just having a flat highlight effect.
[06:28] <chavo> difekta, you can change the look of the menu
[06:28] <incubii> flat is last millenia
[06:28] <chavo> from the control center
[06:28] <difekta> i know that.
[06:28] <regeya> difekta: you'd probably like kde better if it still had the kde1 windowstyles
[06:28] <difekta> no.
[06:28] <chavo> can you do that with any gnome themes.
[06:28] <difekta> kde used to be way uglier.
[06:28] <difekta> kde is just so overdone.
[06:28] <difekta> it needs minimalism.
[06:29] <incubii> its not a minimalistic desktop environment
[06:29] <incubii> if you want that get XFCE or fluxbox
[06:29] <regeya> http://home.earthlink.net/~regeya/shot-20050327.jpg <- heh
[06:29] <difekta> but it should feel light and responsive and not so overdone.
[06:29] <chavo> man my server is slow tonight
[06:29] <incubii> thats like telling me ford should be holden
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> difekta: that's what bash is for (minimalism).
[06:29] <difekta> the first screenshot was pretty nice.
[06:29] <difekta> lol.
[06:29] <difekta> that's too minimalistic.
[06:29] <difekta> i think fluxbox looks awesome with the minimalistic theme; but it doesn't have enough functionality.
[06:30] <chavo> http://2sdw.com/images/3-06.png
[06:30] <incubii> well what exactly do you need
[06:30] <difekta> lemme look
[06:30] <chavo> I like my computer to work for me, not the other way around.
[06:30] <randabis_> the new kde rocks :) It made me switch
[06:30] <difekta> the soft solid color is better, but the icons look atrocious.
[06:30] <difekta> how new?
[06:31] <difekta> i used kde a couple months ago and it still sucked.
[06:31] <incubii> 3.4
[06:31] <difekta> how new is that?
[06:31] <incubii> like 2 weeks
[06:31] <regeya> those icons give me the horny
[06:31] <difekta> oh.  maybe i'll try it out.
[06:31] <incubii> lol regeya
[06:31] <chavo> same screen with diff. icons http://2sdw.com/images/3-06.png
[06:31] <difekta> kde just feels kinda bloated i guess..that's the only way i can describe it.
[06:31] <Roey> anyone here see any keyboard layouts besides English?
[06:31] <regeya> they were windows first, and I think they were "ported" to gnome, then kde...could be remembering wrong
[06:31] <chavo> those are a gnome icon set, ported to KDE by the way.
[06:31] <Roey> I don't ahve any listed when I try to confiure...
[06:31] <incubii> to each his own difekta
[06:32] <Roey> *configure
[06:32] <regeya> excellent!  go away.
[06:32] <chavo> he said "bloated"
[06:32] <incubii> look at all the people that praise windows
[06:32] <Roey> *who praise windows
[06:32] <Roey> objects->that, people->who
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> chavo: shut up asswipe!
[06:32] <Roey> ha ha
[06:32] <Roey> =)
[06:32] <randabis_> http://img145.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img145&image=snapshot36zn.jpg
[06:33] <randabis_> :)
[06:33] <Roey> hurtsa lot it
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> chavo: please tell me you know what I was referencing when I said that :)
[06:33] <Roey> randabis_:  is that an in-game image?
[06:33] <incubii> is that console using alpha transparency or just screenshotting the background ?
[06:33] <Roey> randabis_:  do you have the source at all?
[06:33] <chavo> LeeJunFan, ???
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> Beavis and Butthead.
[06:34] <regeya> difekta: I blame Rasterman, but he did it to GTK+, and KDE followed suit.
[06:34] <chavo> LeeJunFan, oh I missed that, sorry.
[06:34] <randabis_> Roey, I forgot where I got that picture :/
[06:34] <Roey> randabis_:  can you put it up somewhre?
[06:34] <regeya> difekta: now GNOMErs fight to rewrite history, make GNOME look like the non-l33t non-configurable choice, and make fun of KDE for being as flexible as GNOME once was
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> chavo: np. Just didn't want you to think I was attacking you for something.
[06:35] <regeya> difekta: that doesn't excuse KDE devs for crapping up an excellent system, but it's not like they did it first. ;-)
[06:35] <chavo> incubii, that's fake trans in the console. But you can enable real trans by uncommenting some parts of konsole code.
[06:35] <incubii> ah, dont think i will be doing that
[06:36] <chavo> no it doesn't work that well
[06:36] <chavo> besides real transparency all the time makes it too hard to read
[06:36] <regeya> indeed
[06:36] <regeya> I'd like to hurt a few Apple engineers
[06:36] <incubii> heh
[06:37] <incubii> dont hurt the ones that make 30" LCDs
[06:37] <incubii> i like those ones
[06:37] <regeya> transparency, translucency, etc are great.
[06:37] <regeya> just not in a GUI.
[06:37] <chavo> LeeJunFan, I used gnome for a long, long time. But man they just keep mucking it up.
[06:37] <randabis_> Roey, http://img237.exs.cx/img237/3031/050129035125593sy.jpg
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> regeya: yeah, t-shirts :)
[06:37] <chavo> lol
[06:37] <regeya> hehehe
[06:38] <Roey> randabis_:  thank you!!!
[06:38] <randabis> Roey, np
[06:38] <regeya> you know, on the one hand, there are things that GNOME gets right that Apple and Microsoft get wrong.  that's impressive.
[06:38] <Roey> :)
[06:39] <regeya> on the other hand, they tend to do grand sweeping changes in releases, sometimes without warning, sometimes against popular opinion.
[06:39] <Roey> regeya:  that said, ar eyou using kde now or gnome?
[06:39] <incubii> gnome are like goths
[06:39] <incubii> they conform to non-conformity
[06:39] <incubii> if you start liking it they change it
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> incubii: haha
[06:39] <regeya> Roey: kde
[06:39] <Roey> ah, ok
[06:40] <regeya> Roey: though until recently I was giving gnome an extended try
[06:40] <chavo> Bow down to the almighty HIG!
[06:40] <Roey> regeya:  why 'until recently'? what happened that you changed your mind?
[06:40] <incubii> i dont even know what a hig is
[06:40] <randabis> probably the new kde 3.4 :p
[06:40] <randabis> it rocks my socks...I never thought I'd start using kde regularly again
[06:40] <chavo> HIG == The death of Gnome.
[06:40] <regeya> Roey: if I have to resort to the command line more than 45% of the time, it's crap
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> To admit - gnome has been a while with me. But last time I tried it was the stupid things that pissed me off about it - I mean how hard is it to line up icons on the taskbar?
[06:41] <regeya> Roey: also, GNOME is t3h slow
[06:41] <randabis> yeah kde pwns gnome in speed now
[06:41] <Roey> I have problems with kde though too
[06:41] <Roey> for example, the menus
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> I'm going to look at gnome again tomorrow, but I don't expect I'll be staying, who knows.
[06:41] <incubii> i struggled to create a shortcut in gnome that actually worked
[06:41] <incubii> :D
[06:41] <Roey> and the way that they never have what I need
[06:41] <regeya> indeed chavo; it was annoying for a while, any time a new under-development app was announced on GNOME news, seeing these "it's not HIG compliant" posts
[06:42] <regeya> who cares if it's useful--we gotta fix that HIG compliance FIRST!
[06:42] <incubii> lol
[06:43] <LeeJunFan> oh, and esd. Does gnome still use that?
[06:43] <randabis> what I really hate about gnome 2.10 is the way they totally fucked up the networking tool
[06:43] <randabis> you can't even add interfaces with it anymore
[06:43] <regeya> Roey: also, when I posted that screenshot to my freebie Web space a few minutes ago, I went straight from the screenshot app to FTP via the Save dialog
[06:44] <regeya> !
[06:44] <chavo> regeya, you can't beat that.
[06:44] <incubii> excellent
[06:44] <incubii> VFS rocks
[06:44] <regeya> when you get it to work, yeah
[06:45] <dimmak> i got my 54g wireless card working with kubuntu via ndiswrapper... a first... thank you kubuntu
[06:45] <incubii> now to get my ipod working on here again
[06:45] <dimmak> happy happy joy joy
[06:46] <incubii> anyone else using kubuntu on PPC here?
[06:46] <LeeJunFan> incubii: that shouldn't be hard - plug it in and go to media: in konqueror
[06:46] <incubii> doesnt automount LeeJunFan :)
[06:46] <incubii> have to manually mount it
[06:46] <incubii> loads the module for it though
[06:47] <Roey> hey... a few ideas for KDE app names... BuKkake and Konfusion...
[06:47] <Roey> er
[06:47] <randabis> gtkpod works well
[06:47] <Roey> bukkaKe
[06:47] <incubii> lol
[06:47] <Roey> =)
[06:47] <incubii> yeah gtkpod works nicely
[06:47] <incubii> still have to mount the ipod though first
[06:47] <incubii> :P
[06:49] <incubii> oh it automounts now
[06:49] <incubii> sweet
[06:49] <incubii> must of broken my other install somehow then
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> incubii: try amarok :)
[06:50] <incubii> i still need an fstab to right click and mount though
[06:50] <LeeJunFan> you shouldn't if it's in media:
[06:50] <LeeJunFan> I mounted my camera earlier w/o it being in fstab.
[06:50] <incubii> well it errs that there is no entry
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> huh, I just checked my camera again.
[06:52] <incubii> hmm well it needs it but then its just a matter of adding it in
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> incubii: no fstab, but it's in mtab allright.
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> incubii: are you in media:/ ?
[06:53] <incubii> yes
[06:53] <incubii> i click mount on the ipod partition
[06:53] <incubii> and i get
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> I wonder what the diff is?
[06:54] <incubii> "mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etcmtab <cr> Please check that the dist is entered correctly"
[06:54] <incubii> disk*
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> incubii: have you done updates yet?
[06:55] <incubii> i think i will switch from firefox to knoquerer
[06:55] <incubii> konq*
[06:55] <incubii> nah not yet
[06:55] <incubii> thats tnite
[06:55] <incubii> since im on 28.8kb dialup
[06:55] <Roey> hey
[06:55] <incubii> :P
[06:55] <Roey> where's konq-plugins ?
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> incubii: maybe that's it. updates to udev/hal maybe.
[06:55] <Roey> and pykde3
[06:55] <Roey> hehe
[06:55] <Roey> and KEYBORD LAYOUTS :(
[06:56] <incubii> im going to upgrade the kernel tnite
[06:56] <incubii> and KDE some time
[06:56] <incubii> lol
[06:56] <Roey> incubii:  how
[06:56] <Roey> incubii:  what are you going to put on da kernel
[06:56] <Roey> ?
[06:57] <incubii> upgrading to latest kubuntu 2.6 kernel with SMP
[06:57] <incubii> as this kernel is only uni processor from the CD
[06:57] <incubii> :|
[06:57] <incubii> cd doesnt come with smp
[06:59] <incubii> probably one of the slight annoyances that could be fixed for duel ppc systems
[07:00] <incubii> konq didnt like viewing media:/ while i put a dvd in
[07:00] <incubii> :|
[07:02] <incubii> the KDE side image on kubuntu is wrong
[07:02] <incubii> it says 5.4 but should say 5.04 ?
[07:03] <chavo> incubii, never noticed that because I have the side image turned off, but you are right
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> what side image?
[07:04] <incubii> on the main kde menu
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> mine just says kde3.4
[07:04] <incubii> mine says kubuntu 5.4
[07:05] <difekta> i'm just going to install kde for the hell of it and try it out.
[07:05] <difekta> since you fuckers say it's good.
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> My ~ dir is years old - I probably have a diff theme or something.
[07:05] <difekta> ;)
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> I'm not really a fucker, but I did stay at a holidy inn express last night.
[07:06] <chavo> LeeJunFan, you can put a custom side image in your ~/.kde somewhere
[07:06] <difekta> lol.
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> chavo: not that I've done on purpose. Maybe it's part of an overall theme.
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> Mine has KDE 3.4 and a blue Gear in my side/menu.
[07:07] <incubii> did you install KDE through ubuntu or use the kubuntu iso ?
[07:07] <randabis> LeeJunFan, did you install the kubuntu-default-settings package?
[07:08] <chavo> hmm I've got the kubuntu side image here.
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it's on here.
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> I installed from CD about a week ago on this drive, been keeping up to date daily.
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> I think my amd64 install (which is way older on another partition) has the same.
[07:10] <LeeJunFan> BTW - that login screen - is that really kdm or some bastardization? I can't change anything about it.
[07:10] <incubii> maybe its really GDM in disguise
[07:10] <LeeJunFan> incubii: it looks more like it.
[07:10] <chavo> LeeJunFan, it's kdcm
[07:10] <chavo> kdm
[07:10] <randabis> I don't know about that...I've used a custom gdm theme for a while now
[07:11] <chavo> you can theme kdm in 3.4
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> ldd /usr/bin/kdm doesn't show a single qt or kde library that it's linked to.
[07:12] <dimmak> yellowonblue theme looks scary
[07:14] <incubii> heh
[07:15] <incubii> maybe its static ?
[07:16] <Roey> *it's
[07:16] <dimmak> did icon zooming go away?
[07:16] <chavo> dimmak, yes
[07:16] <dimmak> oh well
[07:17] <incubii> its there falt its nort werkin
[07:17] <incubii> :P
[07:17] <omni_lonnie> but I liked icon zooming :(
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> incubii: I can't change my background or any other option on the login via kcontrol - so I'm wondering if kubuntu didn't pull a Mandrake and write their own dm and call it kdm.
[07:18] <incubii> search the forums
[07:18] <incubii> ming be info on it there
[07:18] <incubii> might*
[07:18] <dimmak> LeeJunFan: system administration>>login manager
[07:18] <chavo> LeeJunFan, I can change my kdm here. I've changed the theme. And Mandrake rewrote kdm, they call it mdkkdm
[07:18] <incubii> upgrading udev fixed my KDE bootup troubles
[07:18] <dimmak> make sure you sudo
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> chavo: not until I bitched about it on the cooker list.
[07:18] <incubii> :D
[07:18] <dimmak> or su
[07:19] <incubii> now it boots in 9 seconds
[07:19] <incubii> :O
[07:19] <chavo> LeeJunFan, aha
[07:19] <incubii> loads*
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> chavo: first they removed the real kdm.: )
[07:19] <chavo> yes
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> I wonder why I can't change my login settings, but then I wonder why you and I have a different menu image too :)
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> btw - I created a new user and it has the same image in the menu. So it's not a remnant somehow left from a 3 year old .kde dir.
[07:20] <dimmak> LeeJunFan: sudo kcontrol
[07:20] <incubii> hmm now it recognises the ipod as a removeable device but i still cant access it without fstab entry
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: I did that. I'll try again.
[07:21] <dimmak> oh ok
[07:21] <dimmak> i just use the control center through the menu
[07:21] <dimmak> then it actually has a button for administration mode
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> brb - gotta try.
[07:25] <billytwowilly> nice. kaffeine 0.6
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> no deal - It changed the passwd echo to 3 star, and the graphic type to keramic (had to make changes everywhere to see what might actually work), but still kubuntu background.
[07:25] <billytwowilly> smooth people. smooth.
[07:26] <dimmak> LeeJunFan: the login manager or the splash screen?
[07:27] <LeeJunFan> login
[07:27] <dimmak> LeeJunFan: the splash screen is under appearance and themes
[07:27] <dimmak> in case it might be that
[07:27] <LeeJunFan> I get kubuntu background - then the one I chose for login, then my desktop background.
[07:28] <LeeJunFan> It loads my chosen background between the login background and the desktop.
[07:30] <LeeJunFan> if I check /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc it says Wallpaper=/usr/share/wallpapers/KDE34.png
[07:31] <billytwowilly> LeeJunFan: what are you trying to do?
[07:31] <LeeJunFan> change my login background.
[07:32] <billytwowilly> change it in backgrounrc if you don't want to see the default background for a moment while kde loads your chosen background.
[07:33] <LeeJunFan> backgroundrc has what I want to show - but that isn't what's showing on the login screen. It only shows for a second while kdm quits and hands over to kwin.
[07:34] <billytwowilly> yah, then you have to set it where dimmak said you should.
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> I did.
[07:35] <LeeJunFan> Nothing changes the actual BG that's shown while I type in my passwd.
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> I think the kubuntu theme is overriding anything I change.
[07:37] <dimmak> i haven't played around with it enough then
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu
[07:38] <dimmak> found it?
[07:38] <chavo> LeeJunFan, it's the theme
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> no matter what BG I choose it's the one in there that's shown - with all the buttons.
[07:39] <incubii> for my ipod problem i just put it in fstab and auto mount
[07:39] <chavo> look in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc for UseTheme
[07:39] <incubii> to /mnt/sda2 then softlink it to /mnt/ipod and /media/ipod
[07:39] <incubii> :)
[07:39] <incubii> works nice ly
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I saw the theme in there. But what buttons will be there if I remove the theme? :)
[07:39] <chavo> it will be a small dialog window
[07:40] <LeeJunFan> chavo: that's what I want. :) thanks. No way to change that via GUI?
[07:40] <chavo> that will use the theme you choose in control center
[07:40] <chavo> LeeJunFan, not yet
[07:40] <chavo> there's an app on kde-apps.org but it's still in development
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> brb.
[07:41] <chavo> works for me, I changed my theme with it.
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> that was it.
[07:42] <chavo> LeeJunFan, you can just start a new session to test the changes you know
[07:43] <LeeJunFan> chavo: oh yea, forgot about that. I'm old school :)
[07:43] <chavo> hehe
[07:43] <difekta> OMFG kde is robust as hell.
[07:43] <LeeJunFan> who the hell are you and what have you dont to difekta ?
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> s/dont/done
[07:44] <difekta> heh
[07:44] <difekta> i just installed kde
[07:44] <difekta> so many apps!
[07:44] <difekta> but i'm still in gnome running them...
[07:44] <difekta> lemme hop over to another xserver.
[07:44] <incubii> alot nicer then 6 months ago hey ?
[07:44] <membreya> kde...robust? :| lol
[07:45] <difekta> it has about 5 times the apps on gnome.
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> kde is harvested from only the finest GUI beans :)
[07:45] <membreya> lots of apps yes..but it crashes at least once a day on my computer :P
[07:45] <membreya> especially bad when artsd dies
[07:45] <incubii> yeah artsd i dont like
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> membreya: wth are you doing?
[07:46] <incubii> it still has its problems but its a lot better then it use to be
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> incubii: arts is the lesser of the evils though. esd is worse.
[07:46] <membreya> that's why alsa rocks :P
[07:46] <incubii> true that
[07:46] <membreya> and artsd typically crashes when I'm using kaffeine
[07:47] <LeeJunFan> alsa isn't a server - or are you talking about some other alsa.
[07:47] <difekta> I like how freedesktop standards make kde and gnome basically interoperable.
[07:47] <difekta> i can see kde apps and gnome apps all in my applications list.
[07:48] <incubii> kaffeine works better with my ipod then amarok does
[07:49] <difekta> holy cow..they also can put things in the same notification applet.
[07:49] <dimmak> i like amarok a lot
[07:49] <incubii> amarok plays static
[07:49] <incubii> unless you know why
[07:49] <membreya> amarok doesn't even play my mp3s :|
[07:49] <incubii> plus it says theres no sound engine
[07:49] <dimmak> no idea... didn't ever use it until kubuntu
[07:49] <incubii> well everything else plays fine
[07:50] <incubii> i dont mint though
[07:50] <incubii> im happy
[07:50] <incubii> :D
[07:50] <dimmak> i like the statistics database you can register for
[07:50] <membreya> lol and I can quite happily crash my kaffeine :P
[07:50] <incubii> though the mac pc speaker is not the best for playing sounds
[07:50] <dimmak> i was letting it recommend music from my library based on what i was currently listening to
[07:50] <incubii> but it will do
[07:50] <membreya> I just have to tell it to add my 978 music videos to its play list
[07:51] <membreya> locks the PC up lol
[07:51] <dimmak> and seeing how deep it would go into my music
[07:51] <incubii> how well does it work ?
[07:51] <membreya> damnit..out of smokes >:\
[07:52] <dimmak> i was impressed with it... and the best part i find is that it uploads my listening habits to share with other people using the feature
[07:52] <dimmak> so it will recommend artists to others based on my listening
[07:52] <incubii> ah
[07:52] <incubii> interesting feature
[07:53] <membreya> any idea why I get no sound out of amarok ?
[07:53] <dimmak> a type of information harvester that i totally support
[07:53] <incubii> dunno membreya thats the problem i have
[07:53] <dimmak> lemme see if it works on my laptop
[07:53] <incubii> says theres no sound engine so just plays static
[07:53] <incubii> everything but amarok plays sound
[07:53] <membreya> I don't even get that error message..says that it's playing ..but I don't hear anything
[07:53] <incubii> so i know its amarok
[07:54] <chavo> incubii, you need to install some output plugins for amarok
[07:54] <incubii> man all i need is to whack in a wireless apple nic and this box is set
[07:54] <membreya> aah just looked at engine, and there's nothing in there
[07:54] <incubii> really?
[07:54] <incubii> suggestions?
[07:55] <membreya> a media player..with no default output..that's some clever planning :P
[07:55] <incubii> amarok-engines ?
[07:56] <incubii> maybe they arent allowed to include them or just plain forgot
[07:56] <incubii> i choose arent allowed to as it causes conflict and much heated debate
[07:56] <incubii> :D
[07:57] <chavo> yes and amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine
[07:57] <incubii> ok ill do that after the kernel finishes coming down
[07:57] <incubii> see if that fixes it
[07:57] <incubii> if kaffeine support ipod playlists id be set
[07:57] <dimmak> amarok works fine on my puter
[07:58] <dimmak> lappy as well
[07:59] <incubii> man if linux could support ipods 100% with something as flashy as itunes i could move all of the office over to linux
[07:59] <incubii> no more OS x
[07:59] <incubii> :D
[08:00] <membreya> but ...OSx :'(
[08:00] <incubii> im not a big fan of it
[08:00] <incubii> i like it
[08:00] <incubii> but i prefer kubuntu
[08:00] <membreya> it's soooooo pretty :)
[08:00] <incubii> :P
[08:00] <incubii> agreed it is
[08:00] <membreya> i want a KDE theme that replicates it
[08:00] <incubii> cant wait to see tiger
[08:01] <incubii> ill have to upgrade the entire office to tiger the week it comes out
[08:01] <incubii> :D
[08:01] <chavo> membreya, get baghira
[08:01] <membreya> mmm untested software in a work environment :P
[08:02] <chavo> it's a style and window decoration that is OS X like
[08:02] <incubii> untested software, thats what warrantis and SLAs are for
[08:02] <incubii> hehe
[08:02] <incubii> blame them!
[08:02] <incubii> yeah baghira looks nice
[08:03] <chavo> I'm not a big fan of OS X styles though.
[08:03] <incubii> i like plastik/lipstick
[08:03] <dimmak> can you run adium in kubuntu?
[08:03] <membreya> chavo: it won't have the pretty minimising action though :(
[08:03] <incubii> much nicer on the eye then keramik
[08:03] <incubii> what is adium ?
[08:03] <dimmak> messenger... adium.sourceforge.net
[08:03] <chavo> membreya, that stuff will be coming soon. Can't stand it myself.
[08:04] <incubii> id assume so dimmak
[08:04] <chavo> If I minimize a window I want the thing gone.
[08:04] <membreya> again chavo ...it's pretty :P
[08:04] <membreya> but osx minimises it in styyyyyle
[08:04] <dimmak> well can you run any powerpc application in linux?
[08:04] <chavo> not my style.
[08:04] <dimmak> expose is a great app
[08:04] <incubii> define powerpc application
[08:05] <incubii> do you mean OS X apps in linux ?
[08:05] <dimmak> all my computers are x86... but i have been playing around with pearpc a lot
[08:05] <chavo> membreya, http://2sdw.com/images/3-13.png that is the baghira window decoration.
[08:05] <dimmak> power pc vs x86 architecture
[08:05] <incubii> i run linux on PowerPC
[08:05] <incubii> if i need an OS X app i just fire up MOL
[08:05] <incubii> mac-on-linux :)
[08:05] <dimmak> i see
[08:05] <incubii> runs OS X inside linux at native speed almost
[08:05] <membreya> chavo: ...could it be ...true alpha blending
[08:06] <incubii> never tried pearpc
[08:06] <incubii> is it any good ?
[08:06] <chavo> membreya, yes it's been available since xorg 6.8
[08:06] <chavo> still a little buggy though
[08:07] <dimmak> not close to how you described mol... but pearpc is for x86 machines emulating power pc environments... it does on the fly translation of the power pc instructions to x86 instructions
[08:07] <dimmak> so you don't nearly the speed as a virtual machine that is not translating into different architectures
[08:07] <incubii> it runs OS X though doesnt it ?
[08:07] <dimmak> yes
[08:08] <incubii> i think QEMU can run OS X too now
[08:08] <incubii> or they are getting there
[08:08] <dimmak> at a much reduced speed from the native x86 processor... they estimate it at 1/15 the native processor speed
[08:08] <dimmak> mac-on-linux is a ppc application... that is why it works great at what it does
[08:08] <dimmak> similar to vmware for x86 machines
[08:08] <incubii> ah
[08:09] <dimmak> pearpc is bridging the gap between running mac-osx on an x86 machine
[08:09] <incubii> thats right, CherryOS was a complete rip off of it
[08:09] <dimmak> which is a lot harder than the opposite
[08:09] <dimmak> yeah
[08:10] <incubii> i need to install Synergy on these boxes
[08:10] <incubii> get tired of using two keyboards and mice
[08:11] <incubii> hehe my canary is chirping along to my dance music
[08:11] <membreya> grrr amarok isn't even starting for me now ...ok I've gone into .kde/share/config and rm'd amarokrc ...where else is it hiding its config?
[08:12] <incubii> wish i knew so i could tell you
[08:13] <dimmak> do i need to add my current user account to the drives group so that i can play dvds?
[08:14] <incubii> i dunno, if you find out let me know!
[08:14] <incubii> it pisses me off, i can burn but i cant play
[08:15] <dimmak> alright... i'll try it out... let me do all my upgrading... so i don't destroy my account while adding it to another group... happened on my desktop account
[08:15] <dimmak> nice having two installations to play with
[08:15] <dimmak> my internet is still borked on the desktop... and i blame autopackage
[08:16] <incubii> have you tried redoing what failed ?
[08:17] <dimmak> yeppers... no luck
[08:18] <dimmak> it was a firefox autopackage
[08:18] <dimmak> beware... one of the developers could replicate the problem within firefox itself... my problem was system wide
[08:18] <dimmak> and i haven't repaired the damage
[08:18] <dimmak> so autopackage and kubuntu aren't playing well yet
[08:19] <incubii> ah
[08:19] <incubii> ill stick to apt-get/synaptic
[08:19] <incubii> :)
[08:19] <incubii> wait till it matures more
[08:21] <dimmak> yeah... i still like it... even if it hates my guts... oh the life of a stalker:-)
[08:24] <incubii> lol
[08:28] <incubii> poor thing you touch it once and it fucks you over
[08:29] <dimmak> worked fine for gaim
[08:33] <verden01> Hi
[08:34] <verden01> I have ubuntu 4 installed and want to install kubuntu-desktop via apt-get and when i go to do this i get a message saying "Couldn't find package Kubuntu-desktop"
[08:35] <membreya> how do you restart artsd?
[08:36] <verden01> any ideas
[08:38] <incubii> verden do apt-get update; apt-cache search kubuntu
[08:38] <verden01> ok thanx i'll try that
[08:39] <incubii> if its not there you may need to add repositories, or its not availbable for warty
[08:53] <incubii> hmm i dunno whether i should install firefox or just use konq
[08:54] <delltony> membreya, noticed you asked the question about restarting artsd
[08:55] <dimmak> i prefer firefox... but i don't think it supports search prefixes
[08:55] <dimmak> like typing "gg search string"
[08:55] <dimmak> for google and stuff
[08:55] <incubii> ah
[08:56] <dimmak> and i like that feature a lot
[08:56] <dimmak> i think konq is doing a decent job of emulating the best of firefox
[08:56] <membreya> that's me delltony :)
[08:57] <incubii> by that you mean "gg:kubuntu"
[08:57] <incubii> ?
[08:57] <dimmak> hadn't used it in a while
[08:58] <membreya> namely.. I'm getting an error to say /dev/dsp busy
[08:58] <dimmak> don't remember it requiring a colon... but apparently it does
[08:58] <incubii> is there a way to use the feeling lucky option that way
[08:58] <dimmak> yeah... i'll find the options
[08:58] <dimmak> just a moment
[08:58] <dimmak> there is a big list
[08:59] <dimmak> i usually truncate my favorites to single letters
[08:59] <dimmak> control center>>internet and network>>web browser>>web shortcuts
[09:00] <incubii> ah ok
[09:00] <incubii> wow i never knew that
[09:00] <ricochet> Question, I installed ubuntu a long time ago, then changed my sources to debian so I could get stuff I wanted.  Now I changed back to hoary, distupgraded.. trying to install kubuntu-desktop, but I am getting the error:kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed
[09:00] <incubii> cool
[09:00] <dimmak> yeah.. it was something i got familiar with in windows
[09:00] <dimmak> using the tweak ui powertoy
[09:01] <incubii> ah
[09:01] <dimmak> you can add any search engine you want too ... if one is missing
[09:02] <incubii> wow it really does to im feeling lucky
[09:02] <dimmak> you can change the delimiter to a space:-)
[09:02] <incubii> stuff firefox
[09:02] <incubii> :D
[09:02] <incubii> i think i wil
[09:02] <dimmak> no more colon for me
[09:02] <dimmak> i would add single letter shortcuts too... to make it even faster
[09:03] <delltony> membreya, you simply killall artsd and it will restart when needed
[09:03] <dimmak> now i just need to add an address bar to a panel
[09:03] <incubii> thansk man
[09:03] <incubii> this will help so much
[09:03] <dimmak> yeah... i like it a lot
[09:03] <incubii> you just increased my productivity
[09:04] <dimmak> i do my best
[09:04] <incubii> all it needs is dictionary.com
[09:04] <dimmak> yeah... you can add it, i am right now
[09:04] <incubii> same
[09:04] <dimmak> just go do a search at dictionary.com with a random string
[09:05] <dimmak> and replace that string with {@}... i think
[09:05] <dimmak> have to test... i was just comparing the other ones
[09:05] <membreya> what plugins are people using for amarok to play MP3's?
[09:05] <incubii> xmms engine
[09:05] <incubii> ?
[09:06] <dimmak> that is what mine uses
[09:06] <membreya> i only have xine, artsd & gstreamer
[09:06] <dimmak> just search for amarok in kynaptic
[09:07] <membreya> already have all valid options enabled in kynaptic for amarok dimmak 
[09:08] <dimmak> incubii: it is \{@} for the search string
[09:08] <dimmak> and it tells you
[09:08] <incubii> oke doke
[09:09] <incubii> kernel-smp 98%
[09:09] <dimmak> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=\{@}
[09:09] <incubii> :D
[09:09] <dimmak> that is mine
[09:10] <dimmak> for the search url
[09:16] <incubii> vga=791 = 1024x768  so what is 1280x1024
[09:17] <dimmak> 42?
[09:20] <dimmak> please note that is a joke
[09:20] <incubii> yesh i know
[09:21] <incubii> the meaning of life is 42
[09:21] <incubii> :P
[09:21] <dimmak> whew
[09:21] <dimmak> who knows what catastrophe i might have caused
[09:21] <incubii> lol
[09:22] <incubii> you know what would rock of web shortcuts worked in xchat
[09:22] <incubii> wow even doing it in the alt+f2 run dialog works
[09:22] <incubii> im impressed
[09:23] <dimmak> yay... add run command to your panel
[09:23] <dimmak> and you can use it there too
[09:24] <dimmak> run command works as an address bar... good stuff
[09:27] <incubii> :D
[09:27] <incubii> man that rocks
[09:28] <incubii> i use to do that with Litestep on windows
[09:28] <incubii> have the run command accessible on the taskbar
[09:28] <dimmak> i have never been impressed with alternate shells on windows
[09:29] <dimmak> always very buggy
[09:29] <incubii> bblean is nice
[09:29] <incubii> so was yz dock
[09:29] <incubii> never had problems with them
[09:30] <incubii> others, yeah the were buggy
[09:30] <dimmak> i like having a desktop... without having to configure a bunch of plugins to emulate one
[09:30] <dimmak> very minimal... but took away too many features for me
[09:36] <incubii> ah thats better
[09:36] <incubii> now normal users can mount the ipod
[09:38] <dimmak> brb
[09:39] <incubii> there we go now amarok works 
[09:39] <faked> for mplayer, can I use the marillat-source from debian unstable, or is there another source for kubuntu?
[09:42] <faked> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main <-- does this work on (k)ubuntu?
[09:47] <delltony> faked, i use them work just fine
[09:47] <faked> delltony: ok, thx
[09:49] <incubii> amarok works great now dimmak
[09:49] <dimmak> oh cool
[09:50] <delltony> you will probably have some issues on the keys though faked 
[09:51] <dimmak> checkout scrobbler under settings>>configure amarok
[09:51] <delltony> you need to do gpg --keyserver www.keys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[09:51] <marcusT> marcus top 3 list of annoying things in his install:
[09:51] <marcusT> 3. can't change language to german at the moment
[09:51] <marcusT> 2. hald stuff still  doesn't work correctly and now doesn't even know that / is mounted
[09:51] <delltony> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[09:51] <marcusT> 1. constantly running kbuildsycoca after login
[09:53] <dimmak> this is me>>http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dimmak/
[09:53] <incubii> yeah it rocks once it works
[09:57] <incubii> i have not heard of any of those bands
[09:57] <incubii> might have to do with being australian though
[09:58] <incubii> hmm a lot of people use chatzilla
[09:58] <incubii> is it any good
[09:59] <incubii> does kubuntu have a splash logo
[09:59] <dimmak> i prefer just using gaim
[09:59] <incubii> for bootup?
[09:59] <dimmak> that shows your progress as things are loading?
[09:59] <incubii> yeah
[09:59] <incubii> like fedora core
[10:00] <dimmak> appearance and themes>>splash screen
[10:00] <dimmak> or do you mean the boot loader?
[10:00] <dimmak> grub
[10:00] <dimmak> i don't think so
[10:00] <dimmak> brb
[10:03] <incubii> wonder what i need to do then to get it. YDL, yellow dog linux for ppc has one. just prefer it too see the 640x480 dmesg text
[10:27] <dimmak> anybody successful with dvds? ..."Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)"
[10:27] <dimmak> and libdvdcss isn't in the repository
[10:27] <dimmak> google google
[10:58] <gsuveg> re
[11:01] <froud> kpackage reload operation stops at 99%, anyone else getting this?
[11:01] <froud> opps
[11:02] <froud> kynaptic reload operation stops at 99%, anyone else getting this?
[11:02] <froud> sorry my bad
[11:03] <froud> ignore, it finally worked :-)
[11:03] <membreya> does anyone know any easy way to burn .wma files onto an audio CD?
[11:06] <gsuveg> actualy kubuntu run perfect on hoary ?
[11:22] <incubii> almost perfect
[11:22] <incubii> it is a preview afterall
[11:25] <verden01> Hi
[11:26] <incubii> howdy verden01
[11:27] <verden01> hows things
[11:28] <incubii> yea alrite
[11:28] <verden01> cool
[11:28] <verden01> been using kubuntu for long
[11:28] <incubii> since came out
[11:28] <incubii> as an iso
[11:28] <verden01> how longs that?
[11:29] <verden01> i only have the first ubuntu but am now upgrading to hoary and will then install kubuntu-desktop
[11:29] <verden01> i've always liked kde 
[11:30] <incubii> im nto really sure, lol
[11:30] <verden01> :-)
[11:31] <verden01> have u tired many other distro's
[11:31] <verden01> tried
[11:46] <buz> yeah gtk-qt works again
[11:46] <buz> dunno why or how, but it seems to do ;-)
[11:54] <incubii> what is that
[11:57] <buz> a gtk theme that makes gtk apps look mostly like kde apps
[11:59] <coruja> hmm, i updated kde-i18n-de again, this time the right size i suppose, but i'm not allowed/able to change language settings in kcontrol...
[12:00] <coruja> though i can choose german as language, but nothing happens, it won't even appear in the 'languages box'
[12:00] <coruja> any idea? ;)
[12:00] <buz> noticed that myself just now
[12:01] <buz> did you try to log out of kde?
[12:01] <coruja> i restarted x several times...
[12:01] <buz> that's weird then
[12:02] <buz> personally, i don't care for german much but others here sure do
[12:02] <buz> it's especially strange as ubuntu is big on i18n
[12:02] <coruja> i've changed the locale settings in the kdeglobals file by hand (to de_DE), but again, nothing happens
[12:03] <coruja> let's wait and see if any other has rather the same problems, maybe even with ather languages...
[12:04] <buz> mhhh is there any place i can get kde-bluetooth from?
[12:04] <coruja> kde-apps.org, or maybe hints where to find there?
[12:05] <buz> did try rpmseek, it finds some debs but all links are broken
[12:05] <coruja> hmm
[12:06] <buz> and the link on kde-apps.org is pretty much down, sf only has the source
[12:06] <buz> ah it's supposedly in kdeextragear
[12:07] <incubii> hmm why cant i play DVDs
[12:08] <buz> dvd playing on linux isn't entirely legal
[12:08] <buz> so it's not installed by default
[12:08] <buz> what you can do: add universe and install videolan
[12:08] <incubii> vlc?
[12:08] <buz> yeah
[12:08] <incubii> yeah did that
[12:08] <incubii> still no go
[12:08] <buz> that's weird
[12:08] <buz> works for me
[12:10] <incubii> must be the PPC thing
[12:10] <incubii> looks like i have to compile libdvdcss
[12:10] <buz> u using ppc?
[12:10] <incubii> yea
[12:10] <buz> mhh on x86 it works
[12:10] <buz> but i can't remember if i had to install libdvdcss myself, actually
[12:11] <incubii> once you go duel ppc its hard to go back to uni x86
[12:11] <buz> it was in the rep that i know
[12:11] <incubii> lol
[12:11] <buz> didn't need to compile anything
[12:11] <buz> yeah only i'm not shelling out 2000$ for a dual g5 ;-)
[12:11] <incubii> work related gift
[12:11] <incubii> :)
[12:11] <buz> if i did, i'd probably run osx on it anyway
[12:11] <incubii> i have to admin the things so its best taht i have one at home
[12:12] <incubii> infact if i bought one
[12:12] <buz> i never quite understood why anyone would get an overpriced mac just to run linux on it ;-)
[12:12] <incubii> i could do a tax write off
[12:12] <incubii> as its required
[12:12] <incubii> :D
[12:12] <incubii> oh linux runs so fast
[12:12] <buz> don't speak of taxes, i should do my declaration today ;-)
[12:13] <buz> paying is bad, filling out the paperwork much worse
[12:13] <incubii> just theres teething problems on PPC that arent in x86
[12:13] <incubii> i woulda thought it would be easier to support less ahrdware
[12:13] <buz> probably best to use gentoo or some such on ppc
[12:13] <incubii> nah gentoo was much much worse then this
[12:13] <incubii> this works liek a charm
[12:13] <incubii> i just want to watch DVDs
[12:15] <buz> i want to use bluetooth, but no kde bluetooth in sight anywhere
[12:15] <incubii> ah well guess ill use windows box next to me till then
[12:15] <buz> i finally got rid of that plague
[12:15] <buz> you could always use osx you know ;-)
[12:16] <coruja> hehe
[12:17] <incubii> nah dont like OS X
[12:17] <incubii> it doesnt like me doing things
[12:17] <buz> it's pretty but somewhat weird
[12:17] <buz> has a life of it's own me thinks
[12:17] <buz> and it's sloooow
[12:17] <incubii> its like buying a bmw then wanting to rice it up
[12:18] <buz> what kind of weirdness is this? the deb for klibido needs libidb 0.5.13 but debian has 0.5.2
[12:18] <incubii> i blame al gore
[12:18] <buz> he's on the board, doesn't mean he gets to say anything
[12:19] <incubii> nah cause he invented the internet
[12:19] <buz> i blame jobs. he's a maniac
[12:19] <incubii> :))
[12:19] <buz> the sole fact that he ships one button mouses says about everything
[12:19] <incubii> but we all know it was george bush who did
[12:19] <incubii> did you read on slashdot they are thinking of a two button mouse
[12:19] <incubii> and they call it innovation
[12:19] <incubii> lol
[12:20] <buz> best thing is you can hook up a normal mouse just fine
[12:20] <buz> in fact i don't know anyone who actually uses that crappy mice
[12:20] <incubii> i have an MX1000 attached to it
[12:20] <incubii> at work that is
[12:21] <buz> beyond me why anyone would pay that much for a mere mouse
[12:21] <incubii> oh they are very nice
[12:21] <incubii> it is a lot of money
[12:21] <buz> mhh yeah but a 10$ optical does the same job
[12:22] <incubii> but then why would anyone spend $1000's on clothing
[12:22] <buz> maybe if you play 3dshooters all day
[12:22] <incubii> when $2 tshirts do the same job
[12:22] <buz> so other people see they did ;-)
[12:22] <incubii> lol
[12:22] <incubii> i sit infront of a computer for about 18 hours of the day 14 of those are at work
[12:23] <incubii> i stare at 2x30" plus 4x20" screens on 1 machine alone, i need comfortable equipment
[12:23] <incubii> :)
[12:23] <buz> WTF do you work
[12:24] <incubii> stock trading company
[12:24] <incubii> :D
[12:24] <buz> ah ok
[12:24] <incubii> im it support though
[12:24] <incubii> IT*
[12:24] <buz> i've seen traders with 6 23" and the like
[12:24] <incubii> well b4 we got the 30" screens they had 8x20"
[12:25] <buz> lol
[12:25] <incubii> now they have what i mentioned above
[12:25] <buz> i'm still debating myself if i should switch to a finance major, actually
[12:25] <incubii> and they are thinking of going for 4x30"
[12:25] <buz> i'd prefer 4*20 inch over 2*30"
[12:25] <incubii> i thought of that too since i work in finance 
[12:26] <buz> IT majors suck badly at my university
[12:26] <incubii> well 4*20" is alright if you have good LCDs with small monitor edges
[12:26] <buz> and since IT is technically a faculty of economics department, i can switch for free
[12:26] <incubii> cool
[12:27] <incubii> i get half my work paid uni course off thanks to my work experience
[12:27] <incubii> :D
[12:28] <buz> around here, uni is paid for by the government (save some measly 1000$ tuition a year)
[12:29] <incubii> well we can defer our payment
[12:29] <incubii> but then you end up paying it through tax after you earn a certain amount
[12:30] <mfoxela> hi, are there known problems with kwallet? Since I made an update yesterday, its not working anymore.
[12:30] <incubii> never used it
[12:32] <incubii> wow i love that bug
[12:32] <incubii> kde crash handler crashed
[12:32] <buz> ROTFL
[12:32] <incubii> so now it endlessly crashes
[12:32] <mfoxela> :)
[12:33] <incubii> ah i hope the release fixes the bugs
[12:33] <incubii> i think i will update kde
[12:34] <incubii> come back next week it should be done
[12:34] <incubii> :D
[12:34] <mfoxela> can somebody try that: open kwallet and choose File->New Wallet. Do you get an dialog?
[12:34] <incubii> give me a sec
[12:35] <mfoxela> thaks
[12:35] <buz> i can't even open kwallet it seems
[12:35] <mfoxela> thanks
[12:35] <buz> ah now
[12:35] <buz> i get a dialog
[12:35] <buz> also seems to continue when i enter some stuff
[12:36] <mfoxela> hmm, did you do an update the last days?
[12:36] <buz> every day
[12:36] <incubii> it would appear even having a dvd in the drive makes KDE crash horribly
[12:36] <buz> must be a ppc thing incubii 
[12:37] <mfoxela> I'll restart kde ...
[12:37] <incubii> wallet works on here
[12:37] <buz> is there a way to have different colors for calendar categories in kontact?
[12:37] <incubii> must be an x86 thing
[12:37] <incubii> lol
[12:37] <incubii> no idea
[12:38] <buz> doesn't seem like it is
[12:38] <buz> aaah under configure, not categories dialog
[12:38] <buz> kinda weird
[12:38] <incubii> i hate when they change one lil package in the package list then i have to DL the whole bloody thing again on 28.8kb dialup
[12:39] <buz> i haven't been on dial up since 2000 fortunately
[12:39] <buz> these days i got 2mbit cable, goes swoosh and it's done ;)
[12:39] <incubii> :P
[12:39] <incubii> does that at work for me
[12:39] <incubii> usualyl i just take my drive and plug it in another machine and dist-upgrade
[12:41] <incubii> aw refreshing
[12:41] <pepsi> hi
[12:41] <incubii> mfoxela, kwallet works in kubuntu ppc
[12:41] <mfoxela> hi, after restarting kde, kwallet is working again, thank you for trying
[12:42] <incubii> i love web shortcuts
[12:43] <incubii> someone pointed them out to me today, and they rock
[12:43] <buz> sheesh this sucks. the egroupware konnector for kontact sometimes duplicates events
[12:43] <incubii> yuck
[12:43] <incubii> kill it
[12:44] <incubii> rm -rf /
[12:44] <buz> NAH that can't be right
[12:44] <buz> school at 8:15 in the morning three times a week?
[12:44] <mfoxela> I think this connector isn't ready for daily use, had lots of problems with it
[12:44] <apokryphos> mfoxela: yes, for things like kwallet, kcoockiejar etc. they won't be functional properly until after restarting kde
[12:44] <buz> they want to kill me because of sleep deprevation
[12:44] <apokryphos> to start the daemons
[12:45] <mfoxela> apokryphos: I thought I did a restart after updating yesterday :)
[12:45] <apokryphos> :P
[01:04] <incubii> yay opensource flash for ppc
[01:04] <incubii> and it works
[01:04] <incubii> :D
[01:04] <incubii> sort of
[01:04] <incubii> lol
[01:06] <haggai> is anyone here waiting for fixed translation packages?
[01:06] <haggai> ie kde-i18n that works
[01:06] <haggai> deb http://kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs / 
[01:07] <haggai> I've put them up there until they are accepted into the archive
[01:19] <buz> haggai: the apache on there cuts the filenames short, can't really tell what the link leads to this way ...
[01:22] <haggai> buz: that was to be added to your sources.list.  But do3cc_ just told me the packages are on the mirrors anyway
[01:22] <buz> ooh
[01:22] <buz> i overlooked the deb in front of the url
[01:22] <marcusT> haggai: define on the mirrors anyway... because the i18n I installed this morning still doesn't work
[01:23] <haggai> marcusT: 'dpkg -l kde-i18n-\*' should show 3.4.0-0ubuntu2, not ubuntu1
[01:23] <haggai> ubuntu1 was broken
[01:23] <marcusT> it does, but it's still broken for me
[01:24] <haggai> wierd, I wonder why I didn't see this
[01:24] <haggai> I'll see if I can get the packages from the mirrors instead of my locally built version
[01:25] <marcusT> because I use i18n-de, yesterday, I couldn't select any other language, now I can add geman, but it won't get added to the language list and does not have any effect
[01:27] <buz> marcusT: that works with the new package it seems
[01:27] <marcusT> doesnt for me...
[01:27] <buz> did you get them from the url haggai posted?
[01:27] <buz> works with those
[01:31] <haggai> marcusT: which language are you trying to use?
[01:32] <marcusT> de
[01:33] <incubii> Linux anubis 2.6.11-1-powerpc-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 16:46:07 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[01:33] <incubii> excellent
[01:38] <Pointwood> heh
[01:38] <gsuveg> whats the size of kubuntu-desktop install ?
[01:38] <Pointwood> +80MB
[01:38] <incubii> its the size of my left testicle
[01:39] <apokryphos> :-o
[01:39] <Pointwood> your left testicle is a virtual testicle?
[01:39] <gsuveg> Pointwood: thx.
[01:40] <Pointwood> that's the download
[01:40] <Pointwood> it says it'll use up around 200MB of space
[01:40] <gsuveg> Pointwood: thats clear.
[01:40] <apokryphos> Probably. It pulls in a lot of things like OpenOffice, Konversation etc..
[01:41] <froud> how do you check for a list of maintainers using apt
[01:41] <incubii> ok in windows explorer theres an option in the context mention to open up search for the current directory is there anyway to get this for knoqueror
[01:41] <incubii> menu*
[01:41] <gsuveg> Pointwood: before im test the live cd ;)
[01:41] <Pointwood> :)
[01:42] <gsuveg> i dont used kde 1.x ago
[01:42] <Pointwood> what display manager do you recommend?
[01:42] <_P_> no
[01:43] <_P_> it daesnt work  anymore 
[01:43] <apokryphos> Pointwood: kdm, obviously. :P
[01:43] <Pointwood> hehe
[01:43] <_P_> in18-it  is there now  but  not selectable
[01:43] <Pointwood> apokryphos: sounds like a very unbiased oppinion :p
[01:43] <do3cc__> you mean, it ignores you if you click it?
[01:43] <apokryphos> Impartial as a Judge.
[01:43] <_P_> yes
[01:44] <Pointwood> oh well, I can always change it later I guess
[01:44] <apokryphos> _P_: sorry, haven't been following the convo. Did you add haggai's repo?
[01:44] <_P_> uhmmm  no 
[01:45] <_P_> i am sorry
[01:45] <apokryphos> No worries :P. Yup, they're uploaded up there [his repo]  until they're accepted into the actual archive
[01:46] <do3cc__> _P_: It probably doesnt help. which version of kde-i18n did you install
[01:46] <apokryphos> it
[01:46] <apokryphos> (whoops, perhaps not; guessing)
[01:46] <Pointwood> so, next up is a reboot I guess
[01:47] <_P_> added 
[01:47] <apokryphos> Pointwood: if you upgraded hoary -> kubuntu, it's not really necessary, but might be a good idea anyhow.
[01:47] <Pointwood> well, a logout at least :)
[01:47] <apokryphos> certainly
[01:47] <Pointwood> see ya shortly...hopefully :p
[01:54] <_P_> ok 
[01:54] <_P_> haggai:  daesnt  work 
[01:54] <_P_> i tryed  purging  the  old  one 
[01:54] <_P_> and reinstaling  ubuntu2 
[01:54] <_P_> but  it  is  there  
[01:54] <_P_> i click  on it  but  nothing  happened
[01:55] <coruja> hmm, nothing new according to the kde-i18n-problem...
[01:55] <_P_> and reinstaling  kde-in18-itubuntu2 
[01:55] <_P_> kde-in18-it-ubuntu2 
[01:55] <coruja> it has installed correctly, but i can't choose any language except the default en-us
[01:56] <coruja> (in kcontrol)
[01:56] <do3cc__> I do not believe this is a kde-i18n specific problem
[01:56] <do3cc__> Since yesterday I have a similar problem with kopete
[01:56] <do3cc__> there it simply ignores me if I try to log in
[01:56] <coruja> hmm
[01:57] <incubii> im glad i dont require anything other then the default english
[01:57] <coruja> hehe
[01:57] <coruja> english is also fine with me, but german would be nice ;)
[01:58] <haggai> ok it seems the ubuntu-built i18n still doesn't have all the translations :(
[02:00] <coruja> i suppose it has, maybe, but it's not possible to put them into kde yet...
[02:03] <incubii> is gcc/g++ smp aware?
[02:03] <haggai> incubii: no, do parallel makes
[02:03] <haggai> incubii: make -j[number of processors] 
[02:04] <incubii> ah ok
[02:04] <incubii> woa thats fast
[02:05] <haggai> incubii: not all makefiles are testing with -jn so you might get extra breakage.  That's why its not enabled by default
[02:05] <incubii> oke doke
[02:06] <haggai> incubii: there is a semi-standard for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for those packages that the maintainer has tested
[02:06] <incubii> it compile SDL almost twice as fast
[02:07] <Pointwood> hmm...what does kubuntu use for sound? mplayer doesn't work anymore...
[02:08] <incubii> artsd
[02:09] <apokryphos> Pointwood: aRts
[02:09] <apokryphos> but, that shouldn't affect output of mplayer
[02:11] <coruja> Pointwood: doesn't mplayer work at all or is there 'just' no sound? maybe then a closer look to kmix would help...
[02:11] <Pointwood> hmmm
[02:11] <incubii> i found in kmix if i have drc turned it i get no sound
[02:11] <Pointwood> changing mplayer prefs to arts helped
[02:12] <coruja> ah, ok :)
[02:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :)  hey
[02:16] <apokryphos> g'day
[02:21] <incubii> oo session restoring
[02:21] <incubii> funy
[02:21] <incubii> funky*
[02:26] <yuxel`> i'm using kernel 2.4.27 on kubuntu and i want to install nvidia driver, i've compiled nvidia-kernel-source and build nvidia-kernel-2.4.27blabla and install it and now i can see nvidia on lsmod, then i've changed "Driver      "nv" to Driver      "nvidia"" on xorg.conf but when i try startx it will give an error like (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[02:26] <yuxel`> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
[02:26] <yuxel`> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[02:28] <buz> is there an easy way to get sources for most everything?
[02:29] <amu> yuxel`: why you dont use 2.6er kernel's, 2.4.27 isnt supported 
[02:30] <amu> buz: apt-get install kde
[02:30] <amu> or kubuntu-desktop 
[02:30] <buz> i got kubuntu on this machine
[02:30] <buz> i want to build some stuff
[02:30] <yuxel`> amu: winmodem drivers dont work on 2.6 :(
[02:34] <buz> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92052 supposedly should be fixed since 3.3.1 but happens to me on kubuntu?
[02:35] <amu> yuxel`: ? see http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3486.html 
[02:37] <yuxel> amu: winmodem drivers dont work on 2.6 :(
[02:38] <yuxel> i've found the problem
[02:38] <yuxel> i've a package named linux-restrict-modules and it contains nvidia driver for 2.6
[02:38] <yuxel> that was the problem
[02:40] <randabis> buz, if there is a precompiled binary, why not just use it? speed increases from custom compiles are negligible
[02:41] <amu> yuxel: what i read from google, they run with a 2.6 kernel 
[02:41] <randabis> oh, nvm
[02:41] <yuxel> amu: free drivers dont work :)
[02:41] <randabis> you seem to have another reason
[02:44] <buz> randabis: there isnt one of kdebluetooth
[02:44] <amu> ex. ltmodem (Winmodem) is fully supported by ubuntu
[02:45] <yuxel> anyway, i've fix the problem
[02:45] <yuxel> thanks
[02:45] <MindZEye> Oh lord, looks like OpenOffice 2.0 has made loads of Debian fanatics explode.
[02:46] <haggai> MindZEye: how do you mean?
[02:46] <MindZEye> Apparently, Java is now a dependency.
[02:46] <MindZEye> http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/204244&from=rss
[02:46] <randabis> buz, I see
[02:50] <haggai> MindZEye: thanks for the link, I hadn't noticed the article yet
[02:50] <randabis> It doesn't matter to me...I use java regularly anyway
[02:54] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone know if/when kubuntu will bring down the new version of gwenview that doesn't crash on double-click when its a kpart?
[02:54] <buz> Quinn_Storm: gwenview preview works for me
[02:55] <Quinn_Storm> buz: preview something in konqueror & then double-click on it
[02:56] <buz> ah that's interesting 
[02:56] <buz> flat out crashes
[02:56] <Quinn_Storm> buz: yep its a known bug and they fixed it but kubuntu hasn't picked up the fix yet
[02:56] <Quinn_Storm> buz: its easy to just not double-click but it is slightly annoying
[02:56] <Quinn_Storm> buz: I do like gwenview though, its the only one of the four quick-viewers that supports animated gifs
[02:57] <buz> i hate anim gifs anyway
[02:57] <buz> does anybody know how to have kontact display the location of a calendar entry?
[02:57] <buz> (in the calendar overview i mean)
[02:58] <Quinn_Storm> http://www.nickmongo.com/images/sleepykitten.gif - one of the few good uses for animated gifs (I promise it is what it looks like it is from the url).  as far as the kontact calendar entry thing...what do you mean by location?  it should bold the font of days w/ entries...
[02:58] <buz> Quinn_Storm: you can set a location where the event takes place
[02:58] <buz> which is quite handy for people like myself who can't ever remeber where their lectures actually are
[02:58] <Quinn_Storm> buz: ah, not sure, I don't use kontact pretty much at all, though I may start eventually
[02:59] <buz> it's pretty neat especially with the egroupware integration
[02:59] <gdh> Quinn_Storm: That's the best URL ever :)
[02:59] <Riddell> Quinn_Storm: thanks for the hint, I'll take a look at gwenview today
[02:59] <Quinn_Storm> gdh: thanks, I found it on the kitty pictures livejournal community I think
[03:00] <Quinn_Storm> Riddell: sure, its not a big deal as its easy to not double-click, but I just figured I'd bring it up
[03:49] <azad> how to mount an usb-stick
[03:49] <_P_> i added a  line in fstab 
[03:49] <azad> mind pasting it?
[03:50] <_P_> and after  type media://
[03:50] <_P_> on konqueror
[03:50] <gdh> Should CDs / DVDs be auto-detected by hal / dbus?
[03:50] <azad> ohh it's automounted
[03:51] <azad> but thanks for that konqueror thing
[03:51] <_P_> azad  is  automounted 
[03:51] <_P_> but  it  daesnt  work  without  a  line in fstab
[03:51] <azad> maybe there's already a line
[03:55] <MindZEye> Could someone else give this a whirl to see if it occurs for them please:  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102678
[03:56] <gdh> I'm sure it does, but typically expect at least a month before it gets marked as NEW
[03:58] <MindZEye> gdh: Was that in response to me?
[03:58] <gdh> yes, sorry :)
[03:58] <MindZEye> Ah, it's basics though, it had me really confused when I was trying to fix some HTML.
[03:59] <MindZEye> WTF?  It's already been fixed and marked as a dupe.  I can't believe I didn't see that when I searched for it.
[04:00] <gdh> ha cool :)
[04:01] <MindZEye> I'm impressed by the response speed though.
[04:01] <gdh> hm, that's a bit daft... default Konq from Hoary preview opens all text/plain docs in OpenOffice.org
[04:02] <gdh> given thenumber of poorly-configured webservers out there... etc.
[04:02] <gdh> http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/hoary/ ... I didn't expect a 13MB .deb to appear in a word processor :)
[04:29] <underlord> can someone point me in the direction of how to set up nfs shares in kubuntu?
[04:31] <underlord> do i just need to share a folder from konqui?
[04:31] <randabis> underlord, there's an entry on setting up nfs in the ubuntu wiki I believe
[04:32] <randabis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSServerHowTo/view?searchterm=nfs
[04:32] <randabis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSClientHowTo/view?searchterm=nfs
[04:32] <randabis> those two should get you going
[04:33] <underlord> ty
[04:34] <randabis> np
[04:34] <underlord> * is proud to have an all linux network :D
[04:34] <underlord> all ubuntu infact
[04:36] <underlord> hrmmm, kernel stuff, im gona have to reboot :\
[04:42] <gsuveg> re
[04:42] <gsuveg> mayday
[04:42] <gsuveg> im installed the kde-i18n-hu but i cant setup the hungarian language
[04:43] <gdh> From what I read here yesterday there were big problems with all translations.. 
[04:43] <gdh> i.e. the packages were almost empty
[04:43] <gsuveg> :(
[04:43] <gdh> new ones have 'been uploaded' but I don't know how / when they'll make it round to the download mirrors
[04:44] <randabis> underlord, actually, I don't think a reboot is required..I don't remember rebooting when I setup nfs anyway...could be wrong
[04:45] <haggai> gdh: there is a problem with the ubuntu buildd infrastructure and I can't get working packages built today
[04:45] <underlord> ooh
[04:45] <haggai> gdh: you can download working packages from: http://kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/
[04:46] <gdh> haggai: Ah bum :( Did you manage to get the OpenOffice 1.x KDE-native Open/Save dialogs working :)
[04:46] <haggai> gdh: install this one-> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-hu_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[04:46] <haggai> gdh: no I haven't looked at it
[04:46] <gdh> haggai: thanks for the link. I only speak English, but I'll at least know the URL is in the history now :)
[04:47] <gsuveg> haggai: thanks
[04:47] <gsuveg> other newbie question:
[04:47] <gdh> haggai: OK just wondering =) Would you be the person to bother about kitchensync / Konnectors?
[04:47] <gsuveg> kmail can handle my Maildir ??
[04:48] <haggai> gdh: ah sorry wrong nick
[04:48] <hunger> gsuveg: yeap, kmail does maildir.
[04:48] <haggai> gsuveg: install this one-> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-hu_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[04:48] <haggai> gdh: what exactly do you want to know about the konnectors?
[04:48] <gdh> haggai: Specifically, getting the 'PocketPC Konnector' at http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/kde/konnector/index.php built for universe?
[04:48] <gdh> It's near impossible to build this code standalone
[04:49] <gdh> because it needs all the X, Qt, KDE Kitchensync devel files
[04:49] <gdh> most of which don't exist as packages.
[04:49] <gdh> and I don't fancy recompiling 90% of my system.. if I wanted to do that, I'd use Gentoo ;)
[04:49] <gdh> It's just that without this Konnector, all of the SynCE / Raki / RAPIP/ Kitchensync framework is nearly useless.
[04:50] <gsuveg> haggai: installed
[04:50] <gdh> It seems a crying shame to waste all that work and to fall at the last hurdle
[04:50] <gsuveg> my mails in Maildir
[04:50] <gsuveg> maildur/maillist/....
[04:50] <gsuveg> maildir/personal/
[04:50] <gsuveg> etc.
[04:50] <gsuveg> haggai: thats can use with kmail without import ?
[04:51] <haggai> gsuveg: I wasn't talking to you about kmail
[04:51] <haggai> gsuveg: I don't understand your question either
[04:51] <gsuveg> haggai: sorry
[04:51] <gsuveg> haggai: it works. thanks
[04:52] <haggai> gdh: why do you need to recompile 90% of the system?  From the lbs you listed I think you'll only be missing kitchensync devel stuff
[04:53] <gsuveg> hunger: have you understud my problem?
[04:53] <gdh> haggai: Certainly the ./configure script for pocketpccommunication.tar.gz wants at least the X devel, Qt devel, KDE devel.. and I'm worried about things like mismatched symbols.
[04:54] <gdh> esp. as there's no -dev package for kitchensync
[04:54] <gdh> there have been a couple of other lost souls on here looking for a package of this Konnector, so I thought I'd bring the matter up here in the hopes it could be done 'properly' =)
[04:55] <gsuveg> haggai: now im use mutt+maildir
[04:56] <gsuveg> i would like use kmail, but me dont clear how can i handle maildirs with kmail
[04:56] <gdh> gsuveg: At worst, install an IMAP server and connect IMAP to localhost?
[04:56] <gsuveg> on my laptop? doh 
[04:57] <hunger> gsuveg: kmail expects all its mails to be in ~/Mail (IIRC they changed that to some hidden folder by default nowadays).
[04:57] <membreya> hunger: /var/mail
[04:57] <hunger> gsuveg: You should be able to set a symlink from there to wherever your mails are actually stored.
[04:58] <hunger> membreya: Nope:-) Somewhere under ~/.kde.
[04:58] <hunger> membreya: /var/mail is for incomming mails, not for storage.
[04:58] <membreya> ooooooooooooh :D
[04:59] <gdh> I guess having 'Mail' in a homedir is just asking for the clueless to delete it by accident =)
[04:59] <hunger> gsuveg: kmail keeps adding some hidden files to that dir... You might want to clean those up if you ever move away from kmail.
[05:00] <hunger> gdh: Well, I keep getting upset about having some app deceiding which non-hidden dirs I want to have.
[05:00] <gdh> :) Policy decisions, gotta luv 'em...
[05:00] <gsuveg> hunger: msg possible?
[05:00] <hunger> gsuveg: ?
[05:01] <gsuveg> hunger: can i send msg ?
[05:01] <hunger> gsuveg: Dunno... try it.
[05:05] <gsuveg> hunger: ah. like the imap server ?
[05:09] <haggai> gdh: the X, Qt and KDE devel libs should all be available, leaving just the kitchensync libs to worry about
[05:09] <gdh> haggai: LOL it's the kitchensync stuff thatI have no idea about :)
[05:10] <gdh> but I will try =)
[05:10] <hunger> Is ubuntu using xorg or the xfree server by the way?
[05:10] <gdh> x.org
[05:10] <hunger> Ah, good:-)
[05:10] <haggai> gdh: try apt-get source kitchensync
[05:11] <gdh> haggai: K, thanks.
[05:12] <hunger> Nice enough fellows... but I hated the "oh, just use xfree" attitude.
[05:18] <gdh> haggai: Quickie, would I want libqt3-mt-dev or libqt3-dev
[05:18] <gdh> I've never understood why both are there =)
[05:20] <haggai> gdh: -mt- is best - it is built with multithreaded support
[05:20] <gdh> thanks.
[05:21] <hunger> gdh: non-mt is faster since it does not need to do locking, but you are safer of to use the mt version as long as you are not absolutely sure the programm is singlethreaded.
[05:22] <hunger> gdh: And IIRC the kde apps all need the multithreaded version (-mt), so you will introduce a new dependancy when using the singlethreaded qt.
[05:23] <gdh> hunger: Ah cool, mt it is =)
[05:42] <gdh> haggai: Sorry for the continued hassle - this is all new to me.. I've satisfied all the deps and ./configure completes fine, but this seems to be a CVS snapshot - there's a 0-byte Makefile... I've tried "make -f Makefile.cvs dist" but there's no ./autoconf.sh or anything
[05:42] <gdh> haggai: is there a 'common practice' that I've missed?
[05:48] <gdh> haggai: Scrap that, I just found out that pocketpccommuniction is deprecated already and replaced by something else :)
[06:04] <randabis> does anyone know what package handles the cookie handling service for konqueror?
[06:04] <randabis> I think I removed it by mistake
[06:04] <Blissex> randabis: thats extremely unlike -- I guess it would be in 'kdebase'.
[06:05] <randabis> Blissex, well, I'm not sure...all I know is that the service will not start
[06:05] <Blissex> randabis: what is the name of the service that won't start?
[06:07] <randabis> when I go into the cookie section of control center, it says "unable to start the cookie handler service"
[06:07] <randabis> so konqueror is not handling cookies at all
[06:09] <gsuveg> why show prety small fonts in other apps (as kde) ? for example gaim ?
[06:09] <Blissex> randabis: odds are you will find moe details in #KDE about these things...
[06:09] <Blissex> gsuveg: what does that mean?
[06:10] <randabis> I'll go ask someone there
[06:10] <gsuveg> Blissex: for ex. the gaim show 5px font
[06:11] <gsuveg> Blissex: but in gnome-session it show 11 monotype
[06:11] <Blissex> gsuveg: is that what you want or not?
[06:11] <gsuveg> not
[06:11] <Blissex> gsuveg: well, it all depends as usuall...
[06:11] <gsuveg> Blissex: me sound like, all not kde apps fonts show smaller
[06:12] <Blissex> gsuveg: however KDE font selections do not extend to GTK/GNOME apps, but there are _two_ possible fixes.
[06:12] <gsuveg> the firefox menu to small
[06:12] <gsuveg> Blissex: whats thats ?
[06:13] <Blissex> gsuveg: the two possible fixes are: use a GTK/GTK2 theme (in '~/.gtkrc' or '~/.gtkrc-2.0') that selects the fonts you want...
[06:13] <Blissex> gsuveg: or use a delightful KDE extension that is a GTK/GTK2 theme that reads its settings from KDE, not from one of those files.
[06:13] <haggai> gdh: heh
[06:14] <gsuveg> Blissex: the 2nd sound better. whats that ?
[06:14] <gdh> haggai: Am almost there - it compiles fine - just trying to get multisynk to 'see' it now :)
[06:15] <Blissex> gsuveg: I have it in my Control Panel under 'Appearance & Themes:GTK Styles and Fonts'
[06:16] <Blissex> gsuveg: you may have to install it explicitly though.
[06:16] <nydust> is it posible to install kde from kubuntu on ubuntu?
[06:17] <gsuveg> nydust: hmm?
[06:17] <gsuveg> nydust: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[06:17] <apokryphos> heh
[06:17] <Blissex> nydust: almost certainly yes...
[06:17] <Blissex> nydust: depends on which release of Ubuntu though.
[06:17] <nydust> thanks
[06:18] <nydust> cause i dony have a cd burner here, and just has installed ubuntu and want kde 3.4
[06:18] <nydust> thanks
[06:18] <nydust> Blissex, i have the latest and are upgrading to hoary now
[06:19] <Blissex> nydust: that should be ok...
[06:19] <nydust> Blissex, thanks
[06:20] <Blissex> nydust: someone was however mentioning in KDE that the very most currrent KUbuntu packages are slightly dodgy right now.
[06:21] <nydust> hmmm, not good. 
[06:21] <apokryphos> nydust: nothing critical at all; we can talk you through any problems. Just involves adding "clock" to kicker etc.
[06:21] <nydust> maybee i should waith a bit more, to bether suport. 
[06:21] <gsuveg> kbabel part of kdesdk right ?
[06:22] <nydust> do you know how i can enable dri on my mobile ati radeon card?
[06:22] <apokryphos> nydust: It's up to you; they're no big problems though, at all. If you want, could wait till RC is out, though.
[06:22] <Blissex> nydust: that someone was <apokryphos> so he should know :-)
[06:23] <nydust> ;)
[06:23] <_P_> ahahahahha  i come  from  cooker mandrake devel 
[06:23] <_P_> and  i can  tell you  that  kubuntu  issue are  nothing 
[06:23] <apokryphos> _P_: any tales from your long travels? :D
[06:23] <apokryphos> heh
[06:23] <_P_> in front  of  the  monster  problem  that mandrake  has  in this  fases
[06:23] <gsuveg> Blissex: have you idea whats pkg the kde+gtk ??
[06:24] <_P_> kubuntu is  better  now  than mandrake  10.1  power pack :D 
[06:24] <_P_> and  i use  both 
[06:25] <_P_> apokryphos:   kubuntu  crew  is  doing  a really  great job 
[06:25] <Blissex> gsuveg: that would be 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt'
[06:25] <_P_> and this  channel  is  a  test 
[06:26] <apokryphos> Great/active devs, yes. :)
[06:26] <_P_> 5  users  one  month  ago ... look now :D
[06:26] <apokryphos> heh
[06:26] <gsuveg> Blissex: thanks
[06:29] <haggai> gdh: cool
[06:29] <gdh> haggai: Now kitchensync sees it, but nothing happens when I press 'Sync' - ah well, one for the synce-users list anyway. Cheers :)
[06:33] <gsuveg> Blissex: im install and test later. now i have work :(
[06:34] <_P_> someone  have  installed  kmobiletools ?
[06:35] <_P_> to  talk  with mobile  trough bluetooth?
[06:35] <gsuveg> can i chat with kopeta as with xchat ? one window for irc channels ?
[06:35] <_P_> there  is  a  deb sources in the  site  but  some  lib  problem  installing
[06:36] <_P_> es  gsuveg
[06:36] <gsuveg> es = yes ?
[06:36] <_P_> :)
[06:36] <_P_> yes
[06:36] <_P_> sorry
[06:36] <gsuveg> if (es = yes) then echo "how ?" ;
[06:37] <gsuveg> _P_: np :)
[06:37] <hunger> gsuveg: I found kopete to be very crash-prone...
[06:37] <hunger> gsuveg: Did not like it too much because of that.
[06:37] <_P_> i like  kvirc  
[06:38] <hapo> how much memory is recommended for kubuntu?
[06:38] <gsuveg> hunger: if can i resolve gtk font problem im stand with xchat+gaim
[06:38] <gsuveg> hapo: many ;)
[06:38] <gsuveg> hapo: i have 512
[06:38] <hapo> is 128 megabytes of RAM bearable?
[06:38] <hapo> :/
[06:38] <gsuveg> hapo: imho use smaller wm with 128MB
[06:39] <Blissex> hapo: it is if you configure it very carefully.
[06:39] <hapo> i just heard that kubuntu could suit better to low-memory systems than ubuntu
[06:39] <Blissex> hapo: the great advantage of KDE is that all KDE apps share the same libs.
[06:39] <hapo> because kde consumes less ram
[06:39] <hapo> than gnome 2
[06:39] <Blissex> hapo: this advantage works well if you use _only_ KDE apps.
[06:39] <hapo> ok
[06:39] <hapo> the distro would go to my laptop
[06:40] <hunger> hapo: I have someone use kde3.3 on a Pentium 133 with 128MiB RAM.
[06:40] <hapo> on my main desktop i have 512 MB :)
[06:40] <gdh> SODIMMs are very cheap - get more RAM if you can :)
[06:40] <hunger> hapo: It does run... but it is really slow.
[06:40] <hapo> ok
[06:40] <hapo> thanks for the information, anyway
[06:40] <gsuveg> hapo: test xfce4.2
[06:40] <hunger> hapo: but the girl does not know better and she is really happy with it.
[06:41] <hapo> hehe
[06:41] <Blissex> hapo: also, it is very important not to use AA fonts, and use only X11 bitmap fonts if possible.
[06:42] <Blissex> hapo: and to use only the builtin themes of  QT and KDE, not anything fancy, and to avoid any sort of cool graphics stuff, including background images.
[06:43] <Blissex> hapo: also, to save on memory, I dont starte KDE using 'startkde', which starts a number of cool things like KDesktop, but just with 'kdeinit kwin; kdeinit kicker'.
[06:44] <gdh> don't forget on many systems you'll have cups, postfix, inetd running... none of which may be necessary...
[06:44] <hunger> hapo: you hear blissex? Use kde, but make it as boring and bad looking as possible;-)
[06:44] <gdh> cups -> lighter lpd... postfix -> ssmtp dumb sendmail wrapper
[06:45] <Blissex> hunger: you going to buy some extram RAM for <hapo>? :-)
[06:45] <hapo> humm, when i used a hdinstall of knoppix on the same computer the version of kde included with it ran quite ok
[06:45] <hapo> but it was a little older version
[06:46] <hunger> Blissex: Nope, I am not volunteering for that.
[06:46] <hunger> hapo: knoppix is on kde 3.3 IIRC. That is not that different from 3.4. You should be fine if you could stand knoppix:-)
[06:47] <hapo> well, maybe i should try this out
[06:47] <hapo> at least kde should run much better than gnome 2 :)
[06:47] <SuperCatFrog> hi - before i install kubuntu on my cusins computer, i want to know a few things first. does kubuntu have a package repository yet, if so, how large is it. and does it come with ndiswrapper on the x86 install cd?
[06:47] <hunger> hapo: grab the livecd and test that...
[06:48] <hapo> i'm a gnome enthusiast myself but well, sometimes you have to be more pragmatic ;)
[06:48] <Blissex> SuperCatFrog: Ubuntu has a gigantic package repository, and it can also use just about all Debian packages...
[06:48] <gdh> SuperCatFrog: Yes, there are three repositories, totalling Packages files of just over 3M
[06:48] <gdh> No idea about ndiswrapper.
[06:49] <hunger> Is ndiswrapper even legal?
[06:49] <gdh> Probably as legal as Wine is...
[06:49] <SuperCatFrog> hunger - in the uk it probably is
[06:49] <Blissex> hunger: sort of... Nobody has complained so far.
[06:49] <hunger> ndiswrapper is GPL, isen't it?
[06:50] <gdh> it's up to whatever license you get the Windows NDIS drivers under.
[06:50] <SuperCatFrog> also, is there any difference between ubuntu (after apt-get install kde) and kubuntu? im not sure if i'd rather use ubuntu with kde
[06:50] <hunger> So why may you use it to load non-free drivers?
[06:50] <Blissex> SuperCatFrog: however 'ndiswrapper' is a bad bad idea. It is easier/cheaper to just get a supported WiFi device.
[06:50] <randabis> SuperCatFrog, you'd want apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; not apt-get install kde
[06:50] <gdh> hunger: Why isn't Ark non-free because you *might* use it to open .RARs of warez?
[06:51] <Blissex> hunger: remember the non-GPL driver exception for the Linux kernel itself...
[06:51] <SuperCatFrog> blissex - i cant do that, im installing it on my cusins computer, im not paying for a new wireless card for him, and he wont want to buy one
[06:51] <randabis> apt-get install kde would be overkill
[06:51] <SuperCatFrog> randabis - why? 
[06:52] <Blissex> SuperCatFrog: Possibly, possibly also try Kanotix or Knoppix if KUbuntu does not do that.
[06:52] <hunger> gdh: With ndiswrapper you are loading non-free code into the the address space of GPL code... that is not allowed in the GPL. Opening non-free data is different.
[06:52] <randabis> it would install EVERY kde package iirc..including kdetoys, kdeaddons, etc, etc
[06:52] <randabis> you'd have a mass of bloat
[06:52] <gdh> hunger: OK, I have no idea how it works internally :)
[06:52] <hunger> Blissex: Is ther such a exception in ndiswrapper?
[06:52] <SuperCatFrog> randabis - thats fine by me
[06:53] <randabis> but not for people wishing to save on disk space, and not for people who do not wish to have packages they'd never use
[06:53] <randabis> kubuntu aims to balance things out, as ubuntu does with the gnome desktop
[06:53] <gdh> Nice catch 22 :)
[06:53] <hunger> Stupid that...
[06:54] <gdh> reboot time =)
[06:54] <randabis> SuperCatFrog, ndiswrapper should work fine if the card is supported by it...you'd just need to get the ndiswrapper-utils package, and a copy of the windows drivers
[06:56] <randabis> I have ndiswrapper working on my laptop for instance...well, it works, but I cannot get connected to my network now for some reason ever since we switched to WEP.
[06:57] <randabis> wireless is working fine with the atmel drivers on my desktop though :)
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> randabis - how can i install ndiswrapper-utils without a network connection?
[06:57] <randabis> SuperCatFrog, I believe the package is on the cd
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> o ok
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> thanks
[06:58] <SuperCatFrog> would i be best with ubuntu+kde or kubuntu?
[06:58] <randabis> both are the same
[06:58] <SuperCatFrog> ok thanks
[06:58] <randabis> kubuntu is not a fork of ubuntu..it is part of ubuntu
[07:00] <gdh> Ah yes I see what people mean about the current dist-upgrade breakage :)
[07:00] <omni_lonnie> although ubuntu+kde will give you a bunch of gnome stuff, while kubuntu by it self doesn't...
[07:01] <randabis> that's true
[07:05] <azad> got a skystar 2, does anyone know how to get it working under linux? (that's a DVB card)
[07:06] <gdh> azad: You've looked at the linux-dvb list at linuxtv.org ?
[07:06] <azad> no i'll have a look and find out what this is
[07:07] <gdh> All the modules needed should already be in ubuntu - should only be a matter of loading them
[07:07] <gdh> I dunno if the SS2 needs any firmware, etc.
[07:09] <azad> hm
[07:10] <azad> gdh i found an entry with my card.. does my graphics card 3d acceleration and so on have to work?
[07:10] <Riddell> lunitik: part of kwin package
[07:10] <azad> cause i never handled to get the radeon running
[07:11] <gdh> azad: No, the SS2 is a budget card - it only provides a data stream
[07:11] <lunitik> Riddell: hmm... where do I configure it? 
[07:11] <azad> okay
[07:11] <gdh> whether or not your 2D display is up to showing full screen video is fairly irrelevant :)
[07:11] <azad> mh okay
[07:11] <azad> so then.. i think i have to get a programm to watch?
[07:12] <lunitik> Riddell: nm... I think I found it  :)
[07:12] <gdh> Yeh, I'm not so sure about all those apps - I have a full DVB card and use VDR...
[07:12] <gdh> I know nothing about the 'WinTV' style apps..
[07:12] <azad> VDR is an application that would work?
[07:12] <gdh> azad: No, VDR's intended for building a standalone set top box, it's probably not what you're after.
[07:13] <azad> mhh
[07:13] <gdh> It also would need you to configure some kind of software MPEG2 decoder plugin.
[07:13] <gdh> messy
[07:13] <Roey> heya
[07:13] <azad> oh.. well.. then i'll give google a chance to find something
[07:13] <_P_> i am  going  to  hate  amarok
[07:14] <azad> thanks gdh :)
[07:14] <_P_> everytime i start  this program  it  scann  al  my  HD building i don't know  why 
[07:14] <gdh> azad: Good luck :)
[07:14] <gdh> _P_: I already do and went back to beep-media-player :)
[07:14] <gdh> It's at least GTK2 based...
[07:14] <_P_> uff
[07:15] <omni_lonnie> _P_: yah! iI noticed that too...  I wonder why?
[07:15] <omni_lonnie> amaroK also uses *huge* amounts of RAM.
[07:15] <_P_> ah  so  it not only  my  problem?
[07:15] <_P_> uhmmm 
[07:15] <_P_> i was  thinking  about  some  strange  setting  
[07:17] <omni_lonnie> _P_: nope... :)
[07:17] <omni_lonnie> well, I didn't see any place to turn off "hog all my RAM" ;)
[07:18] <omni_lonnie> so if you find it, let me know
[07:19] <_P_> ;) ok
[07:19] <_P_> find it
[07:19] <_P_> it is  a  small  cross  on the  right up  corner
[07:19] <_P_> :D
[07:20] <omni_lonnie> :D
[07:22] <_P_> amaroK has crashed! We're terribly sorry about this :(:(
[07:22] <_P_> 
[07:22] <_P_> But, all is not lost! You could potentially help us fix the crash. amaroK has 
[07:22] <_P_> attached a backtrace that describes the crash, so just click send, or if you 
[07:22] <_P_> have time, write a brief description of how the crash happened first.
[07:22] <_P_> 
[07:22] <randabis> In Soviet Russia, RAM uses YOU!
[07:22] <_P_> Many thanks.
[07:22] <_P_> 
[07:22] <_P_> Engine:   arts-engine
[07:22] <_P_> Build date: Mar 8 2005
[07:22] <_P_> CC version: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[07:22] <_P_> KDElibs:  3.4.0
[07:22] <_P_> TagLib:   1.3.1
[07:22] <_P_> that s all :(
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> any people?
[07:23] <omni_lonnie> hello :)
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> :)
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> nice to meet u
[07:23] <omni_lonnie> likewise...
[07:24] <gdh> Where's .sm ?
[07:24] <gdh> Surinam?
[07:24] <_TeRmInEt_> southern europe
[07:24] <_TeRmInEt_> into italy
[07:24] <gdh> ah, cool :)
[07:25] <_TeRmInEt_> :)
[07:25] <_TeRmInEt_> one question, can I change language setting in to kubuntu?
[07:26] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: from en to other ?
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> yes
[07:26] <_P_> _TeRmInEt_:  yes 
[07:26] <gsuveg> yes
[07:26] <gdh> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/
[07:26] <_P_> but in this  days  there is  a problem  with kde-in18-XX  pacets
[07:26] <_P_> *packets
[07:26] <gdh> Most of the regional packages are broken in the release...
[07:26] <gdh> download new ones from that URL
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> ah
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> cool
[07:27] <_TeRmInEt_> i try to download correct version
[07:27] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: it works
[07:28] <gsuveg> gdh: san marino
[07:28] <gdh> Ah! :)
[07:30] <_P_> thanks  gdh  
[07:30] <_P_> it  works
[07:56] <nydust> how do i change the resolution?
[07:56] <nydust> on my screen?
[07:56] <gdh> how would you do it in windows?
[07:57] <nydust> i only get a choise to change the background
[07:58] <gdh> on theleft you have 'Background' 'Behavior' ...... 'Display'
[07:58] <gdh> try 'Display'
[08:00] <aghaster> it would be kool if more development tools where included with kubuntu
[08:00] <nydust> thanks
[08:08] <nydust> strange i used 1400xsomething before i did and apt-get dist-upgrade, and now i can only use 1024x768 cause if a go for an higher resolution. I get and big box on my mouse and the screen splits in two parts. do any have a tip?
[08:08] <cmf> hi, running kubuntu here, one problem i've noticed is concerning mounted samba shares, after a while of it being mounted it seems to stall, at first it was just bringing konqy down (or amarok), now it brings teh entire system down, this seemed to happen in 2.6.10, so i upgraded to 2.6.11 and still teh same behaviour, anyone know of something similair, i had some output from dmesg, but not wanting to bring my system down atm, i'll see if teh lo
[08:08] <_TeRmInEt_> great, it work!
[08:09] <_TeRmInEt_> gdh much tnx!
[08:10] <gdh> =)
[08:12] <gsuveg> how can i choose beetwen gdm and kdm ?
[08:13] <gdh> gsuveg: update-alternatives will work
[08:13] <gdh> or just fiddle the symlinks manually in /etc/alternatives for 'x-display-manager'
[08:13] <gdh> sorry, x-session-manager
[08:14] <gdh> I think :)
[08:14] <gsuveg> gdh: lemme see
[08:14] <gsuveg> a debconf or other dont works?
[08:14] <gdh> or... 
[08:14] <gdh> just uninstall the one that you don't want
[08:14] <gsuveg> i dont whant
[08:15] <gsuveg> gdh: alternative ok
[08:16] <gsuveg> not
[08:16] <gsuveg> x-session-manager = gnome-session dont gdm
[08:17] <gsuveg> i whant start kdm dont gdm
[08:17] <gdh> change it to run startkde instead of gnome-session
[08:17] <gdh> that's what it does on my system
[08:17] <gdh> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2005-03-28 17:51 x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/startkde                                                                              
[08:18] <gsuveg> and you login via kdm?
[08:18] <gdh> yes
[08:20] <gsuveg> lemme see
[08:21] <gsuveg> gdh: sorry for newbie questions, im test kde now
[08:22] <gdh> =)
[08:22] <gsuveg> last version what i used was 1.3 
[08:22] <gdh> wow that's quit a vintage..
[08:22] <gsuveg> yepp.
[08:22] <gsuveg> i was a p233 laptop and on netbsd
[08:28] <froud> any of the Kubuntu graphic guys here
[08:32] <gsuveg> gdh: hmm. gdm start after reboot too
[08:34] <gdh> why not just apt-get remove gdm 
[08:34] <gdh> :)
[08:34] <gsuveg> then it remove ubuntu-desktop :/
[08:35] <gdh> no it won't 
[08:35] <gdh> it's only a meta-package
[08:35] <gdh> I guarantee you that it won't pull out your entire system :)
[08:36] <gdh> It scared me a bit at first when I saw the Debian equivalent of it wanting to uninstall 'x-window-system'
[08:36] <randabis> ubuntu-desktop is safe to remove
[08:36] <randabis> so is kubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <gdh> there you go - two complete strangers have said it's OK, so it must be OK :)
[08:39] <randabis> lol
[08:39] <gsuveg> randabis: i dont remove gnome
[08:40] <randabis> well the main reason is because those packages don't actually contain any data...they just have a number of dependencies that aren't removed when you remove the meta package
[08:40] <randabis> gsuveg, what I said has nothing to do with removing gnome
[08:48] <gsuveg> randabis: ok.
[09:21] <randabis> http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=snapshot55vk.jpg
[09:24] <buz> is that xorg with composite?
[09:25] <randabis> yes
[09:25] <gsuveg> gdh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:25] <zyga> ha, I Know ;] 
[09:25] <buz> what vga card? nvidia
[09:25] <buz> ?
[09:25] <randabis> nvidia geforce fx 5900
[09:26] <buz> aaah
[09:26] <buz> ati still can't do composite :-((
[09:27] <randabis> hence why I don't have an ati card
[09:30] <gdh> gsuveg: Ha, cool :)
[09:30] <gsuveg> better than remove :)
[09:30] <gsuveg> gdh: hey, the kde dont bad ;)
[09:31] <gdh> you do realise that you can just tie the chroma + luma pins of an S-video output together and it wil be usable as composite?
[09:31] <gdh> that's all the 'S-video -> composite' adapters you can buy will do
[09:31] <randabis> haha
[09:31] <gsuveg> gdh: whats the good mp3 player ?
[09:31] <gsuveg> amarok?
[09:31] <randabis> we're not talking about that kind of composite gdh
[09:31] <gdh> gsuveg: I like beep-media-player.
[09:32] <randabis> we're talking about the compositing feature of x.org
[09:32] <gdh> Oh =)
[09:32] <randabis> the screenshot of my desktop I posted shows it in action with kubuntu
[09:32] <gdh> I was wondering.. who on earth is still using composite video thesdays
[09:32] <randabis> lol
[09:32] <gdh> ah right, eye candy then =)
[09:32] <dimmak> my 8-bit nintendo
[09:32] <randabis> yes :)
[09:32] <gdh> k, time to eat.. bbl
[09:33] <Roey> dimmak:   awww man
[09:34] <Roey> dimmak:  nintendo NES... what memories
[09:34] <Roey> dimmak:  I *love* it
[09:34] <Roey> dimmak:  in many ways more than SNES
[09:34] <dimmak> really... i don't even compare/contrast those consoles
[09:34] <dimmak> i just play all the lovely games
[09:35] <dimmak> moreso via emulators now
[09:35] <buz> lately tried some n64 emus on the beamer
[09:35] <spiral> hello...
[09:35] <buz> sure rocks to play micromachines on a 2m screen LOL
[09:36] <spiral> I've got some problems with i18n in french... is it normal ?
[09:36] <buz> it was broken earlier today
[09:36] <buz> might still be
[09:37] <gsuveg> gdh: beep have no arts ?
[09:37] <buz> is it bad form to request package additions in bugzilla?
[09:37] <Kamion> yes, mailing lists better for that
[09:37] <Kamion> at least that's how we prefer it in Ubuntu
[09:38] <spiral> does anyone here have a sonoma ?
[09:38] <buz> is the kde upgrade of today working or will it nuke my taskbar again?
[09:38] <spiral> buz: all right...
[09:38] <buz> maybe backup my home first ;-)
[09:39] <buz> once burnt twice shy
[09:40] <spiral> none with a sonoma ?
[09:41] <hunger> spiral: Ordered mine, don't have it yet.
[09:42] <spiral> hunger: 'm going to buy one tomorrow... & wanted to know if there was any hope with linux...
[09:42] <hunger> spiral: Don't know yet:-(
[09:43] <spiral> hunger: all right, I'll keep asking somewhere else... hope I'll know
[09:43] <buz> does sonoma use a new wlan chipset?
[09:43] <hunger> spiral: Keep me informed.
[09:43] <spiral> hunger: all right
[09:43] <hunger> buz: Nope. same as centrino.
[09:43] <spiral> buz: except some 802.11a configurations...
[09:44] <buz> just cpu upgrade?
[09:44] <hunger> buz: Only the chipset did change.
[09:44] <buz> aaah
[09:44] <buz> ah yeah it went to 533fsb
[09:44] <spiral> buz: yes, chipset, and cpu speedsteping working kind of differently, and ddr2, and pci expres
[09:44] <hunger> buz: PCI express, other RAM chips, that kind of thing
[09:44] <buz> if the graphics core is supported i'd say it should work
[09:45] <buz> pci express should be pretty transparent to the os
[09:45] <hunger> buz: I hope so:-)
[09:45] <spiral> buz: I found a nvidia card... hope their driver will work
[09:45] <buz> it should
[09:45] <spiral> and for speedstepping... I hope to...
[09:45] <spiral> too
[09:45] <hunger> buz: I think I saw some pci express fixes to the kernel recently.
[09:45] <buz> i'd expect it to be mostly the same
[09:46] <buz> well maybe to take full advantage of pcie you nee dupdates 
[09:46] <buz> but from what i hear, win can do without them so linux should work as well
[09:48] <hunger> buz: I just hope I'll find graphic drivers when I got the new laptop.
[09:48] <spiral> buz: I love your optimism
[09:48] <spiral> hunger: I hope too
[09:48] <buz> hey i like the bleeding edge ;-)
[09:48] <buz> well if you go nvidia it shouldn't be much of a problem
[09:48] <buz> i'd stay away from ati
[09:48] <hunger> buz: Mine will have a ATI :-(
[09:49] <buz> no composite for you then ;-)
[09:49] <buz> neither for me
[09:49] <buz> but i need a new box anyway
[09:49] <hunger> buz: There is a new free driver over at sf.
[09:49] <buz> gatos?
[09:49] <hunger> buz: r300.sf.net
[09:49] <buz> aaah, i got R250
[09:49] <buz> besides i'm too lazy to buld from source
[09:49] <buz> it's a major pain on debian systems
[09:50] <hunger> buz: Is it? Don't they have the module-assistent?
[09:50] <buz> i don't care
[09:50] <buz> everything worse than make, make install is bad to a long time bsd user ;-)
[09:51] <buz> (which of course includes fetching the whole dependencies etc ;-)
[09:51] <hunger> buz: That includes almost everything!
[09:51] <hunger> buz: you get a configure in almost everything... and you need to download first.
[09:51] <buz> na
[09:51] <buz> bsd ports do that all for me
[09:52] <buz> like gentoo, only working ;-)
[09:52] <hunger> buz: Heared that... what are you doing with ubuntu then?
[09:52] <buz> freebsd's desktop support ain't that good
[09:52] <hunger> gentoo sucks big time! Don't compare *BSD to that:-)
[09:52] <buz> it's not bad per se but no supported java sucks 
[09:53] <buz> and i need to code java for school
[09:53] <buz> so i stick to ubuntu for the time being
[09:57] <randabis> gentoo doesn't suck
[09:57] <buz> it only takes ages to get up and running
[09:58] <randabis> not really
[09:58] <randabis> I can get a working gentoo system going in under a day starting from stage 1...with a full gnome environment
[09:58] <buz> what you got? quad opteron?
[09:59] <randabis> start from stage 3 and the time easily is cut in half
[09:59] <randabis> SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, GLIBC 2.3.2 | CPU AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+, 2205Mhz, 512KB Cache, 4358 BMIPs | RAM 272/504MB Used | SWAP 18/1024MB Used | STORAGE 5.0MB TmpFS, 9.9GB Ext3, 9.9GB unknown, 38GB Ext3, 74GB Ext3, 94MB Ext3, 253MB TmpFS | STATS Uptime 2.61, Users 1/3, Procs 100/57569, Load 0.95 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://auk.ca/v
[10:01] <gdh> buz: I got the PocketPC Konnector going :)
[10:02] <buz> you dont happen to have syncml now do you?
[10:02] <gdh> buz: That 'pocketpccommuniction' is already defunct.... 
[10:02] <gdh> I forget what syncml is again
[10:02] <gdh> but I haven't needed it today
[10:02] <buz> it's like a standard for syncing all sorts of stuff
[10:02] <buz> mostly for mobile phones these days
[10:02] <gdh> Ahh.. no my PDA is my phone.. etc.. deja vu :)
[10:03] <buz> yeah only mine runs symbian ;-)
[10:03] <gdh> the compile was less of a nightmare than I thought it'd be
[10:03] <gdh> and it doesn't work well but I think that's more teething with new PPC2003 devices
[10:07] <Bizzeh> hey
[10:08] <Bizzeh> im runing kdevelop, and whenever i try and compile, i keep getting AM_PROG_LIBTOOL not found in library
[10:09] <_P_> there is someone  using kaffeine  on amd?
[10:10] <_P_> is it  crashing  on closing?
[10:10] <buz> _P_: works for me on athlon xp
[10:10] <_P_> the  last  version?
[10:10] <_P_> 0.6.0 ?
[10:11] <_P_> find  on repository today?
[10:11] <buz> 0.6 yeah
[10:11] <_P_> uhmmm
[10:11] <buz> mhh didnt restart it so far
[10:11] <randabis> kaffeine is working just fine with an athlon xp on this end
[10:11] <_P_> thanks 
[10:11] <gdh> Kopete crashes at each close (i.e. shutdown) but I'm used to that :)
[10:11] <gdh> Not at all related, I know..
[10:11] <buz> plays streams just fine
[10:12] <Bizzeh> can i use a kernel specialy compiled for athlon-xp in vmware (were the host hardware is an athlon-xp)
[10:13] <buz> mhh hard to tell
[10:13] <buz> id should work
[10:13] <buz> but you'll have to try i guess
[10:14] <gdh> I doubt it... vmware will be emulating a Pentium, or maybe a 486 that just happens to run really fast :)
[10:15] <gdh> I can't see it passing through all the manufacturer-specific extensions to the guest OS
[10:16] <_P_> :(
[10:16] <LeeJunFan> my kaffeine doesn't close properly - it leaves itself in ram after I close it - and thats on i386 version.
[10:17] <_P_> i deleted  .kde/config/kaffeinerc
[10:17] <_P_> but is  sill crash  closing
[10:17] <_P_> i close the  application 
[10:17] <gdh> LeeJunFan: And it's not just hiding in the ashtray?
[10:17] <gdh> sorry, system tray :)
[10:17] <buz> i doubt vmware will be emulating a 486
[10:17] <_P_> it  disappiared  but  stay  on bg 
[10:17] <buz> that's a seriously weird cpu
[10:17] <_P_> with  100% cpu 
[10:17] <_P_> oooooooo 
[10:17] <LeeJunFan> gdh: nope - hehe. I actually had about 15 running my cpu up to 100% I had to killall.
[10:18] <_P_> LeeJunFan:  me  too 
[10:18] <gdh> classy :)
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> man - I think we finally broke 40 deg F here in Northern Mi!
[10:19] <_P_> gdh  is  not  a  systray related  problem 
[10:20] <gdh> OK I belive you =)
[10:28] <Curalton> i have a problem with software suspend, namely that when i call swsuspend while i use "synergy" it immediately comes back up.
[10:28] <Curalton> synergy is a kb sharing app, uses XTEST extension of the Xserver, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/about.html
[10:41] <spiral> bye
[10:41] <anna> Hey, today kde-i18n has received an update, but it doesn't work, right?
[10:42] <anna> Now in kcontrol I can see the other language(s), but I cannot get them activated
[10:42] <buz> anna: get the required packages from kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/
[10:42] <buz> those work
[10:44] <anna> I wonder if Kubuntu is less than Debian unstable looking at the last days :p
[10:44] <buz> well its only a preview after all
[10:45] <coruja> remember that kubuntu ist still in 'prerelease' status :)
[10:45] <coruja> *g*
[10:45] <gsuveg> how can i put trash to dekstop?
[10:45] <anna> well, yes I do, but Debian unstable never gets released and didn't do those things to me
[10:45] <anna> 1. Kill my i18n, even after an update
[10:45] <anna> 2. Kill my kicker config in an update
[10:45] <gsuveg> anna: im today installed the kde, and im happy with it
[10:46] <coruja> anna: huh?
[10:46] <anna> I am used to update daily and not find anything broken.
[10:46] <Bizzeh> whats a good gui irc app for linux and where would it be in apt?
[10:46] <gdh> Bizzeh: Konversation is good 
[10:46] <anna> Not of the obvious kind at least.
[10:47] <gdh> Bizzeh: You also have the choice of using Kopete's IRC module.
[10:47] <gdh> and I dunno if KSIRC is in Ubuntu
[10:47] <anna> 3. I still cannot install kdeaddons on amd64, why?
[10:47] <coruja> anna: the trouble with the locale settings, i agree, but beyond this, i had no more trouble according to the kde-i18n...
[10:47] <buz> gdh: it is
[10:47] <buz> but i'd suggest konversation
[10:48] <anna> buz: There is no kde-i18n-de on that URL?
[10:48] <ataxic> a qt/kde frontend for irssi would be nice
[10:48] <anna> buz: Ignore me :p
[10:48] <ataxic> :)
[10:48] <buz> there is
[10:48] <buz> it's just hard to find ;-)
[10:48] <ataxic> there isn't
[10:49] <coruja> http://www.kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-de_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[10:49] <anna> coruja: At some time, kmail stopped starting e.g.
[10:49] <coruja> hmm
[10:50] <_darren> this works
[10:50] <coruja> maybe because of your 64bit machine? i don't know what (k)ubuntu's support there is like...
[10:50] <gsuveg> how can i put trash to dekstop?
[10:51] <Riddell> gsuveg: right click -> create new -> link to location -> trash:/
[10:52] <gsuveg> Riddell: it put a link, btu trash:/ not ok :/
[10:53] <_TeRmInEt_> break news
[10:53] <_TeRmInEt_> new tsunami in asia
[10:54] <_TeRmInEt_> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/28/indonesia.quake/index.html
[10:54] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: omg
[10:55] <gsuveg> Riddell: hmm?
[10:55] <tony> Hello, i'm trying to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list file but I cannot save..
[10:56] <gsuveg> toffy: sudo ...
[10:56] <tony> I'm using kate...
[10:56] <tony> How does sudo work?
[10:56] <gsuveg> kdesu ?
[11:01] <coruja> argh, disconnect...
[11:01] <coruja> gsuveg: /home/<user>/.local/share/Trash
[11:01] <coruja> tony: have you edited the sources' file starting with sudo?
[11:01] <coruja> (if those haven't appeared yet *g*)
[11:02] <gsuveg> coruja: it works. thanks
[11:03] <coruja> :)
[11:03] <gsuveg> coruja: interresing. the icon dont change if trash dont empty ?
[11:04] <coruja> in the panel it does, on the desktop i don't know...
[11:04] <gsuveg> coruja: ok. but i dont like it in panel (after gnome) ;)
[11:04] <gsuveg> np
[11:05] <coruja> i like it very much there, as otherwise the desktop icon would be hidden by several windows... ;)
[11:06] <gsuveg> coruja: right
[11:07] <tony> how do I signon as root?
[11:07] <pepsi> why do you want to?
[11:08] <pepsi> you cant get a root terminal by `sudo -s`
[11:08] <pepsi> er, can ;)
[11:08] <tony> apt-get install kdetv
[11:08] <coruja> tony: try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:08] <coruja> erm
[11:08] <coruja> sudo <whatever you want> *g*
[11:09] <gsuveg> coruja: i like the apps icon in panel. its very usable
[11:10] <coruja> gsuveg: yes, but not too many... just today i've seen a windows machine with about 50 apps icons in the panel, as i had windows, there have been even more... ;)
[11:11] <gsuveg> coruja: i spoke dont apps starter. 
[11:11] <gsuveg> coruja: thats not news ;)
[11:11] <coruja> ah, ok
[11:12] <coruja> the icons for running apps?
[11:12] <gsuveg> coruja: yepp
[11:12] <coruja> yes, that's also a fine feature, especially with kde-based ones...
[11:13] <gsuveg> can i edit menu in kde ?
[11:15] <coruja> with kmenu? (do i remember right?)
[11:16] <gdh> kmenuedit
[11:16] <gsuveg> thanks
[11:17] <gdh> right click on the K button is broken :)
[11:17] <gsuveg> ok.
[11:20] <tony> Hello, I'm trying to install kdetv I get the message: kdetv: Depends: libzvbi0 (>= 0.2.9-2) but it is not installable
[11:20] <tony> Any ideas??
[11:21] <gdh> try and install  libzvbi0 directly - might give more hints
[11:21] <gdh> chances are you'll have to follow that down a chain of broken depends
[11:21] <tony> I'm a noob, how do I do that?
[11:23] <tony> Are there any other TV applications?
[11:23] <haggai> tony: sudo apt-get install libzvbi0
[11:24] <tony> This is the response: the package is missing, has been obsoleted
[11:25] <Riddell> tony: where do you get kdetv from?
[11:25] <tony> I followed the instructions at www.kdetv.org/
[11:26] <tony> it told me to update my sources.list
[11:26] <tony> apt-get update
[11:26] <tony> apt-get install kdetv
[11:27] <tony> Any ideas??
[11:31] <coruja> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libs/libzvbi0 -> the package should be there, maybe really a dependency's problem, or something's wrong with your sources information...
[11:35] <gsuveg> tony: search in cache
[11:35] <gsuveg> apt-cache search tv | grep kde ?
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tale
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tali
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> dati
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> dite
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tedia
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tedie
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> lati
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> alti
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> lete
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> lite
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> tela
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> teli
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> deli
[11:39] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: he
[11:39] <Curalton> /ignore
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> vabb
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> sorry
[11:39] <gsuveg>  /kick
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> i'm wrong
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> query
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> -_-
[11:42] <tony> coruja - how do I install deb files?
[11:43] <gdh> dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:44] <gdh> just be ready for dpkg to complain loudly about broken dependencies...