[01:18] <skyrider> anybody alive?
[01:18] <mdke> yes hi
[01:19] <skyrider> hi
[01:19] <skyrider> Where can I download pot files for QuickGuide, About Ubuntu page and Release
[01:19] <skyrider> notes
[01:20] <mdke> for translation?
[01:20] <mdke> you need to contact the translation team i believe
[01:20] <skyrider> Yes. I'd like to help to translate them into Russian
[01:20] <skyrider> mdke: I know I will answer that way :(
[01:21] <mdke> ?
[01:21] <skyrider> Translation team doesn't have their irc channel?
[01:21] <mdke> oh right
[01:21] <skyrider> :(
[01:21] <mdke> no
[01:21] <mdke> they have a mailing list
[01:21] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TranslationTeam
[01:21] <mdke> mailing list -> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[01:22] <skyrider> I know about mailing list, but it feels mostly useless.
[01:22] <mdke> why?
[01:22] <mdke> you didn't get an answer?
[01:23] <mdke> that is definitely the place to start
[01:23] <skyrider> Actually I don't asked yet but I've read archives of that list and saw much more questions than the answers :(
[01:24] <mdke> well that is about the only place you can start
[01:24] <skyrider> ok, thanks.
[01:24] <skyrider> But Translation team definitly needs irc channel
[01:24] <skyrider> :)
[01:25] <mdke> heh
[01:26] <skyrider> where I can download latest content of ubuntu-docs package? SVN repository?
[01:27] <mdke> yes
[01:27] <mdke> hang on a sec
[01:28] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[01:28] <skyrider> thank you very much, mdke 
[01:28] <mdke> pleasure
[01:28] <mdke> i'm matt btw
[01:28] <mdke> pleased to meet you
[01:30] <skyrider> mdke: I'm Alexey.
[01:30] <mdke> hi
[01:31] <skyrider> Nice to meet you.
[01:31] <skyrider> mdke: where are you from?
[01:31] <mdke> london uk
[01:31] <skyrider> I'm from Ukraine
[01:32] <mdke> ok
[02:01] <mdke> hi trickie 
[02:12] <sabmoc|wrk> hi mdke 
[02:13] <mdke> hi sabmoc 
[02:13] <mdke> how are you matey
[02:13] <sabmoc> not bad not bad
[02:13] <sabmoc> and how are you?
[02:14] <mdke> good thanks
[02:16] <mdke> sabmoc, what are you up to?
[02:16] <sabmoc> I am just about to check out the documentation for svn
[02:17] <sabmoc> from* the svn repo
[02:17] <sabmoc> I wrote up a little howto and now Im going to rewrite it in docbook
[02:17] <mdke> k
[02:18] <sabmoc> then Im going to send a patch to the mailing list adding it to the admin guide
[02:19] <mdke> ok cool
[02:19] <mdke> whats the doc on?
[02:19] <mdke> gpg key?
[02:19] <sabmoc> yes, the gpg key signing for ssh
[02:20] <mdke> nice doc
[02:20] <EricNeon> morning all!
[02:20] <sabmoc> thanks, originally it was an email to a friend, but he it was good and I should make it into a howto, so I did
[02:21] <mdke> hi EricNeon 
[02:21] <sabmoc> hello EricNeon 
[02:21] <EricNeon> hi~
[02:21] <mdke> sabmoc, i know nothing about gpg keys
[02:21] <mdke> i was very interested in the howto
[02:21] <EricNeon> mdke
[02:21] <mdke> what else are they useful for?
[02:22] <sabmoc> cool :) 
[02:22] <EricNeon> at first ,you could install gnupg
[02:22] <mdke> it is installed by default in ubuntu i think
[02:23] <EricNeon> and used "#gpg --gen-key"  to create a gpg key for you
[02:23] <sabmoc> most people just attach a sig to outgoing email so if people bother to check the sig they can verify the email came from the correct person. But there are a lot of uses.
[02:23] <mdke> yeah i can't see that being useful for me
[02:23] <mdke> no one would check mine
[02:23] <sabmoc> me neither
[02:23] <mdke> but maybe for ssh
[02:23] <sabmoc> yeah ssh is a practical use for ssh
[02:24] <sabmoc> err.. gpg is a practical use for ssh
[02:24] <mdke> what else can it do?
[02:25] <sabmoc> you can use it to encrypt a document so that only the intended recipient can decrypt it
[02:25] <mdke> i've noticed people post their keys on wiki pages tho
[02:25] <mdke> doesn't that mean anyone can get it and decrypt
[02:25] <sabmoc> no
[02:26] <sabmoc> I dont like the idea of putting public keys on wiki pages, but thats another issue
[02:26] <sabmoc> basically with gpg, you have two keys
[02:26] <sabmoc> one is public, one is private
[02:27] <sabmoc> Ok, here is an example
[02:27] <sabmoc> I want to send you a file
[02:28] <sabmoc> I will encrypt the file using YOUR public key, and MY private key.
[02:28] <sabmoc> for you to decrypt the file, you will need MY public key, and YOUR private key
[02:28] <sabmoc> so its a four key system, we exchange our public keys, but never never our private keys
[02:29] <mdke> ok i see
[02:29] <mdke> pretty cool
[02:29] <sabmoc> yeah, its a very secure way to transfer any material between two partys
[02:31] <sabmoc> ssh works on a very similar principle
[02:31] <mdke> yeah
[02:31] <mdke> i will check out that doc
[02:31] <mdke> often i use putty to access my home computer
[02:31] <mdke> can that by gpg protected too
[02:31] <mdke> ?
[02:32] <sabmoc> if its your home computer there is not any point, because it will only be you who will access it
[02:33] <sabmoc> but if you want to let a stranger log in, then yeah
[02:33] <mdke> but wouldn't it be securer to protect ssh access with a key?
[02:33] <sabmoc> it already does
[02:34] <sabmoc> when you first log into a computer with ssh, that computer will ask your computer for its public dsa_id key
[02:35] <sabmoc> ok here is another example
[02:35] <sabmoc> you want to log into my computer
[02:35] <sabmoc> wish ssh
[02:35] <sabmoc> with*
[02:36] <sabmoc> now instead of just allowing you to log in from any computer anywhere, and using any user name... I will say mdke: you must email me your public dsa_id ssh key.
[02:36] <mdke> i don't think my ssh server does that
[02:36] <sabmoc> yes it does
[02:37] <mdke> oh
[02:37] <sabmoc> if you try to log into a new server it will say something like "server not in list, do you want to permanently add it"
[02:37] <mdke> yeah
[02:37] <mdke> and i say, yes
[02:38] <sabmoc> and when you say 'yes' your computer sends your public key to the server you are loging into
[02:38] <mdke> ok
[02:38] <mdke> how does that protect the computer i'm logging into?
[02:38] <sabmoc> it doesnt
[02:38] <mdke> oh
[02:38] <sabmoc> because really you could be anybody loging in
[02:39] <sabmoc> but if you restrict the public keys to only users that have physically emailed their public key to you, then its safer
[02:39] <mdke> yeah
[02:39] <mdke> ok that's what i mean, so i could set up my ssh server to do that
[02:39] <sabmoc> because then only those users, _using only those computers that they used to generate the public key_ can log in
[02:40] <mdke> ooh
[02:40] <mdke> so a user couldn't use their public key on a different computer to log in?
[02:41] <sabmoc> they would need to make a public key for that computer
[02:41] <sabmoc> normally that happens automatically
[02:41] <mdke> right
[02:41] <sabmoc> a public key is for one user, on one particular comptuer
[02:42] <sabmoc> but thats just with ssh
[02:42] <sabmoc> gpg is not computer specific
[02:42] <mdke> ok
[02:43] <sabmoc> haha
[02:44] <mdke> thanks for explaining it to me
[02:44] <sabmoc> np bud
[03:34] <sabmoc> I can not view the ubuntu-docs xml files using yelp, is that normal?
[03:49] <sabmoc> anyone awake?
[03:49] <Liz> its not normal
[03:49] <Liz> it should work
[03:50] <sabmoc> Liz, should I also be able to build the documentation right out of the box?
[03:50] <sabmoc> I think I am missing some files
[03:51] <sabmoc> can I flood the channel for about 10 lines?
[03:51] <Liz> i know it was included in hoary..no idea in warty..other than what we were using
[03:51] <Liz> sure..go for it
[03:51] <sabmoc> $ make qg
[03:51] <sabmoc> Building the Ubuntu Quick Guide . . .
[03:51] <sabmoc> mkdir -p build/quickguide/
[03:51] <sabmoc> xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/quickguide/ libs/html-cust.xslquickguide/quickguide.xml
[03:51] <sabmoc> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl"
[03:51] <sabmoc> compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 7 element import
[03:51] <sabmoc> xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl
[03:51] <sabmoc> make: *** [qg]  Error 5
[03:51] <Liz> ive just reinstalled warty
[03:51] <Liz> let me give it a go
[03:52] <sabmoc> Im using hoary
[03:52] <Liz> i never tried it in hoary
[03:52] <Liz> im going to do a dist upgrade shortly tho
[03:53] <sabmoc> but doing `yelp quickguide/quickguide.xml` does not work
[03:54] <Liz> well..looks like i dont even have the files installed
[03:54] <sabmoc> yelp says "could not load document: The uniform resource identifier `file://quickguide/quickguide.xml' is invalid or does nto point to an actual file.
[03:55] <sabmoc> s/nto/not/
[03:55] <sabmoc> well then, huston we have a problem
[03:56] <Liz> froud would be the one to ask when he gets back
[03:56] <sabmoc> I will keep my eyes open for froud >_>
[03:56] <sabmoc> <_<
[03:56] <sabmoc> O_o
[03:57] <sabmoc> froud-away, poke poke
[03:59] <Liz> and im gonna go do my dist-upgrade
[04:00] <sabmoc> ok
[08:55] <froud> African Greetings
[08:59] <froud> sabmoc: ping
[08:59] <sabmoc> froud!
[09:00] <froud> hi di dyou fix that problem yet
[09:00] <sabmoc> no, I just started fooling with mod_python and lost all track of time.
[09:00] <sabmoc> but If you have time I am ready now
[09:00] <froud> ok let's deal with the first problem
[09:01] <froud> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl"
[09:01] <sabmoc> yes
[09:01] <froud> This is the top of /trunk/libs/html-cust.xsl
[09:01] <froud> <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0">
[09:02] <froud>     <!-- This file is a customization layer for HTML only -->
[09:02] <froud>     <!-- [09:02] <froud>     <!-- Imports -->
[09:02] <froud>     <!-- <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"/> -->
[09:02] <froud>     <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl"/>
[09:02] <froud>     <xsl:include href="common-cust.xsl"/>
[09:02] <froud> uncomment the first xsl:import
[09:02] <froud> comment the second one
[09:03] <froud> then while pwd is trunk/
[09:03] <sabmoc> froud, I dont have /trunk/*
[09:03] <froud> the root of your repos will do
[09:03] <froud> trunk is your root
[09:03] <sabmoc> ah i see
[09:05] <froud> do ./validate.sh quickguide/quickguide.xml
[09:05] <froud> that will tell you if the quickguide in your WC is valid or not
[09:05] <froud> if you get errors then you have problems
[09:05] <sabmoc> no errors on validate
[09:06] <froud> Ok so yelp quickguide/quickguide.xml
[09:06] <froud> it should open
[09:06] <froud> bingo, end of technical support call
[09:06] <sabmoc> it does not, says vile is invalid or does not point to an actual file
[09:07] <sabmoc> let me restart yelp
[09:07] <sabmoc> yes it works now
[09:07] <froud> OK
[09:07] <sabmoc> hmm.. I had yelp open for about a week :) never thought of restarting it
[09:07] <froud> now you can do make qgg
[09:07] <froud> make qg
[09:08] <froud> and watch it work
[09:09] <froud> sabmoc: you're on warty right
[09:09] <sabmoc> $ make qg
[09:09] <sabmoc> Building the Ubuntu Quick Guide . . .
[09:09] <sabmoc> mkdir -p build/quickguide/
[09:09] <sabmoc> xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/quickguide/ libs/html-cust.xsl quickguide/quickguide.xml
[09:09] <sabmoc> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"
[09:10] <sabmoc> compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import
[09:10] <sabmoc> xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl
[09:10] <sabmoc> make: *** [qg]  Error 5
[09:10] <sabmoc> no hoary
[09:10] <froud> did you install docbook xsl
[09:11] <sabmoc> maybe not
[09:11] <sabmoc> lol no i didnt
[09:11] <sabmoc> sorry!
[09:12] <froud> Ok install
[09:13] <froud> then depending on where it is installed you will need to comment / uncommnet the xsl:import
[09:14] <sabmoc> alright
[09:15] <froud> you do hav ethe DTD installed right?
[09:17] <sabmoc> which one
[09:17] <froud> we are using 4.1.2 cause of scrollkeeper problems
[09:17] <froud> but you can also install 4.3
[09:18] <froud> if you have both in your xml catalog then processing will not go to the network and so will be faster
[09:19] <sabmoc> Im not sure which packages I need to have installed
[09:19] <sabmoc> Im still getting a build error
[09:19] <froud> what did you install
[09:20] <sabmoc> docbook-xsl
[09:20] <froud> ok and what is the error
[09:21] <sabmoc> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"
[09:21] <froud> Ok, comment that line and uncomment the other xsl:import
[09:21] <froud> in libs/html-cust.xsl
[09:22] <sabmoc> these are my lines, which should I comment
[09:22] <sabmoc> <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/pr\ofile-chunk.xsl"/>
[09:22] <sabmoc>     <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl\"/>
[09:22] <sabmoc>     <xsl:include href="common-cust.xsl"/>
[09:23] <froud> It should look like this
[09:23] <froud> <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0">
[09:23] <froud>     <!-- This file is a customization layer for HTML only -->
[09:23] <froud>     <!-- [09:23] <froud>     <!-- Imports -->
[09:23] <froud>     <!-- <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"/> -->
[09:23] <froud>     <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl"/>
[09:23] <froud>     <xsl:include href="common-cust.xsl"/>
[09:26] <sabmoc> OOOOooo, its working :)
[09:26] <sabmoc> done
[09:26] <froud> nice
[09:26] <sabmoc> so what exactly did that build?
[09:26] <sabmoc> yes, nice! thanks man 
[09:26] <froud> the quick guide
[09:26] <froud> look in build
[09:27] <froud> the build dir is created duing the make
[09:27] <sabmoc> ah the html version
[09:27] <froud> it is not part of the repos
[09:27] <sabmoc> with css! nice
[09:27] <froud> since the html version :-) is presentational layer
[09:27] <froud> yes you know css
[09:28] <froud> you can customize it if you like via /libs/*.css
[09:29] <froud> sabmoc: the idea with docbook is that you can build documentation they way it should be built
[09:29] <froud> from the src
[09:29] <froud> any target formats derived by transformation are never edited
[09:29] <froud> only the xml
[09:30] <froud> hence we dont have HTML, XHTML, RTF, or PDF in the repso
[09:30] <froud> repos
[09:30] <sabmoc> so only docbook in the repo
[09:30] <froud> yes
[09:30] <froud> and support scripts
[09:30] <sabmoc> very cool
[09:30] <froud> All yelp does is transform the xml inline
[09:30] <froud> yelp has xsl stylesheets compiled into it
[09:31] <sabmoc> do we have a docbook template somewhere?  I have a small document I want to convert from the wiki
[09:31] <froud> when yelp loads a docbook xml document it produces html
[09:31] <froud> no we dont
[09:31] <froud> what is the document
[09:31] <sabmoc> froud, really! so in yelp I am actually looking at html
[09:31] <froud> yes
[09:32] <sabmoc> thats cool
[09:32] <froud> yelp is dynamic transform
[09:32] <froud> the make qg is a static transform
[09:33] <sabmoc> this doc https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GPGsigningforSSHHowTo
[09:33] <froud> Hmm nice a HowTo
[09:33] <sabmoc> apparently some people claim it is useful so I was going to submit it as a patch to the admin guide after I get it into docbook from
[09:34] <sabmoc> thank you
[09:34] <froud> you can use docbook article format for that
[09:34] <froud> here is a template
[09:34] <froud> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[09:34] <froud> <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN"
[09:34] <froud>                          "http://www.docbook.org/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd">

[09:34] <froud>     <title>Article Title</title>
[09:34] <froud>     <sect1>
[09:34] <froud>         <title>Section1 Title</title>
[09:34] <froud>         <para>Text</para>
[09:34] <froud>     </sect1>

[09:34] <froud> When you are ready I will put it in my branch
[09:34] <sabmoc> you are a very fast typer :)
[09:35] <froud> you mean copy paster
[09:35] <sabmoc> ok, that template will save me several hours at least :D
[09:35] <sabmoc> you are a fast clicker
[09:35] <froud> what do you use to edit
[09:36] <sabmoc> emacs xml mode
[09:36] <froud> Hmm emacs+psgmls hey
[09:36] <froud> nice
[09:37] <froud> if you like you may want to write the section on GPG in the User Guide
[09:37] <sabmoc> yes, actually I guess it is called nXML mode, I dont know what the "n" is for
[09:37] <sabmoc> yes I would like that!
[09:38] <froud> have you looked at the User Guide outline
[09:38] <froud> you may have suggestions for it
[09:38] <sabmoc> not yet
[09:38] <sabmoc> which documents are we going to focus on for this next release?
[09:38] <froud> well make your document as an article
[09:39] <froud> a few
[09:39] <froud> first we must restructure the repos
[09:39] <froud> then we can focus on doc
[09:39] <sabmoc> I noticed it seemed the quick guide was a big goal for hoary
[09:39] <froud> we need to upgrade FAQ Guide to Hoary
[09:40] <froud> yes, cause many people here are new to docbook
[09:40] <sabmoc> like me
[09:40] <froud> and we first had to build the framework
[09:40] <sabmoc> well, i do have a little xp, but nothing much really
[09:40] <froud> it's ok to be new, I was once a newbie to docbook 
[09:40] <sabmoc> heheh
[09:41] <froud> As we build the docteam people have picked it up very quickly
[09:41] <sabmoc> I see why
[09:41] <froud> any the repos is new
[09:41] <sabmoc> people are very helpful
[09:41] <froud> we try
[09:42] <froud> but learning docbook if you are documenting FOSS apps is very important
[09:42] <froud> both GNOME and KDE use Docbook exclusively
[09:42] <froud> and many other projects like TLDP
[09:43] <froud> always, if you know docbook you can contribute to documenting FOSS
[09:43] <sabmoc> yes, its very handy
[09:43] <froud> that said, we do have a policy to enable anyone to write hence we have wiki
[09:44] <froud> some people find the barrier to docbook to high
[09:44] <sabmoc> I think the wiki is an awesome documentation system
[09:44] <sabmoc> but sometimes I wonder...
[09:44] <froud> It has merit
[09:44] <sabmoc> I dont want to compare
[09:44] <froud> but is not the best format
[09:45] <sabmoc> but I remember what it was like in the gentoo forums about a year or two ago, lots of people posted howto, lots lots lots.. and it was just a forum
[09:45] <sabmoc> but it was easy to post
[09:45] <froud> yes, and it is easy to become a mess
[09:45] <sabmoc> because you just use a text editor, then cut and past it into the forum comment box
[09:45] <froud> but gentoo   also have xml in the backend
[09:46] <sabmoc> very easy, its not a great system, but someone who just wants to write and post its perfect
[09:46] <froud> yes we gleen much knowledge from this
[09:46] <froud> web-based tools are great for getting documents up quick
[09:46] <sabmoc> yep
[09:47] <froud> but not so great from the maintenance aspect
[09:47] <froud> they also are stuck in their format
[09:47] <sabmoc> the wiki really helps bring the quality up, but its a little harder to post 
[09:47] <froud> whereas with xml you can just write stylesheets and transform to a fromat
[09:47] <froud> yes
[09:48] <froud> Ideally I would like to see a round trip
[09:48] <froud> users can edit docbook in web-based app
[09:48] <sabmoc> yes, the forum is not great for real documentation, because everything has to be completely rewritten
[09:48] <froud> and the changes are committed to the respo
[09:48] <sabmoc> that would be fantastic
[09:48] <froud> but it is not that simple
[09:48] <sabmoc> a wysiwyg docbook editor
[09:49] <froud> well you cant bring single source and wysiwyg into the same space
[09:49] <froud> they are different polarity
[09:49] <sabmoc> yeah, thats whast I was just thinking too
[09:49] <froud> like the ends of a broom stick
[09:49] <sabmoc> yep
[09:50] <froud> if you bend the stick to get it together the stick breaks
[09:50] <sabmoc> it would be imposible 
[09:50] <froud> You can have WYSIOO
[09:50] <sabmoc> which is why nobody has done it yet, impossible
[09:50] <froud> What you See is One Option
[09:50] <froud> Tool like XXE and Syntex have this
[09:51] <froud> But under Web-based app you need a way to define the semantics
[09:52] <froud> so the wiki type of user soon gets tired of defining semantics and is distracted form actually writing
[09:53] <froud> if you are interested in knowing more about how XML benefits documentation see my article http://www.sastc.org.za/articles/xml-solv-prop.html
[09:54] <sabmoc> I will read it
[09:54] <sabmoc> what is XXE and Syntex?
[09:54] <froud> Syntex is a commmercial structured editor
[09:54] <froud> XXE has a community edition but is Java
[09:54] <froud> are you apporsed to java
[09:55] <froud> if not see http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/
[09:55] <sabmoc> I dont run java if I can help it
[09:55] <sabmoc> but Im not opposed to it
[09:55] <froud> what is it with people and java
[09:55] <froud> java is beautiful, like Liz 
[09:55] <sabmoc> wow that looks like a good article
[09:56] <Liz> lol
[09:56] <Liz> yes..java is good..if its running well
[09:56] <sabmoc> hi Liz, I found him
[09:56] <sabmoc> well.. he found me
[09:56] <Liz> i see that...did you get your answer with yelp?
[09:56] <sabmoc> yep
[09:56] <froud> Liz: how's our favorite Linux Chick today
[09:56] <Liz> a little bit hacked off froud 
[09:56] <sabmoc> froud, my problem is not so much java as sun
[09:56] <Liz> i just lost an hdd this morning
[09:56] <sabmoc> froud, but I prefer python or c# to java
[09:57] <froud> ouch
[09:57] <Liz> so i wiped windows off this one and installed ubuntu on it
[09:57] <Liz> i just finished doing a dist-upgrade
[09:57] <Liz> not all of the packages are installed yet tho
[09:57] <froud> Liz: welcome to hoary?
[09:57] <sabmoc> Liz, you lost? Im sure it will turn up somewhere, have you checked the closet?
[09:57] <Liz> ive been on it for a week..before the other hdd went kaput
[09:57] <froud> Hmmm intesting wordddddd Kaput
[09:57] <Liz> heh.. sabmoc ..i meant its died on me
[09:58] <sabmoc> ah, why didnt I think of that
[09:58] <sabmoc> but dont get me wrong, java is ok
[09:58] <Liz> froud..its a slang word in my country
[09:58] <sabmoc> it means something like "finished"
[09:59] <froud> yes here too means broken
[09:59] <froud> sabmoc: java rocks dude
[09:59] <Liz> :)
[09:59] <sabmoc> I think its the first time I've seen it on irc though
[09:59] <sabmoc> froud, you like it?
[09:59] <froud> what java
[09:59] <sabmoc> yeah
[10:00] <froud> yep yep yep
[10:00] <sabmoc> cool
[10:00] <froud> my whole toolchain is java
[10:00] <froud> runs anywhere
[10:00] <froud> just install a java runtime :-)
[10:00] <sabmoc> yeah, thats the big score for java over other platforms
[10:01] <froud> Saxon, Apache FOP, Xalan, Xerces, XEP
[10:01] <froud> oh and lets       not forget little ol ANT
[10:01] <sabmoc> heh
[10:01] <sabmoc> I dont use any of them except apache2
[10:01] <froud> make without the wrinkles
[10:02] <froud> you should see cocoon
[10:02] <froud> it rocks
[10:02] <sabmoc> infact, I havent even heard of them, except for apache! haha
[10:02] <sabmoc> an ol ant
[10:02] <froud> That web site I sent you to is made with Apache Forrest
[10:02] <sabmoc> I'll read that doc tonight
[10:02] <froud> The whole site is from XML
[10:03] <sabmoc> thats cool
[10:03] <sabmoc> did you write the article?
[10:03] <froud> yes
[10:03] <sabmoc> ah cool :)
[10:03] <sabmoc> so you must be Sean
[10:03] <froud> at the moment the site is a static transform, I want to put it under Tomcat
[10:03] <froud> yep
[10:04] <sabmoc> how is it pronounced?
[10:04] <froud> Like the Irish John
[10:04] <froud> Though some say, Shawn
[10:04] <sabmoc> but shawn is the wrong way?
[10:04] <froud> there shuld be a fala in there somewhere
[10:05] <froud> yes the S is a JJJJJ
[10:05] <froud> Like Sean Connery, but just a whole lot younger
[10:05] <sabmoc> haha
[10:06] <sabmoc> Alright, I'll try to remember
[10:06] <sabmoc> lol
[10:06] <sabmoc> no
[10:07] <sabmoc> enless you mean the country
[10:07] <froud> ooooooo, my feet are curling into a fist at the thoght
[10:07] <sabmoc> eeeww.. fisty feet. gross
[10:07] <sabmoc> haha
[10:07] <froud> anyone tried to learn Tolkiens Elvish language
[10:08] <froud> Hmm, it's pretty cool
[10:08] <sabmoc> it sounds cool
[10:08] <sabmoc> aaahhh
[10:08] <froud> yeah I hav ewatch all three movies three times and still love it
[10:09] <froud> causes me lot sof trouble sometimes
[10:09] <sabmoc> :) me 2
[10:09] <sabmoc> the trouble part
[10:09] <sabmoc> the idea part too I guess
[10:10] <froud> well day is begun. I must hack a manual for Kynaptic today
[10:10] <froud> nice chatting
[10:10] <froud> c ya
[10:10] <sabmoc> ok man
[10:10] <sabmoc> I'll get that article written
[10:10] <Liz> se eya froud
[10:11] <Liz> i must finish customizing my system
[10:11] <Liz> theres also another liz on this server
[10:11] <Liz> adn she keeps overtaking my name 
[10:11] <sabmoc> you should register it
[10:11] <Liz> it is
[10:11] <sabmoc> then you can kick her an laugh
[10:11] <Liz> but i get on here and have to ghost her off
[10:11] <sabmoc> ah
[10:11] <sabmoc> you would think she would get the hint then
[10:12] <Liz> i must change my password just in case
[10:12] <Liz> its a tad too easy 
[10:12] <sabmoc> its too bad gconf didnt have an easy way to import and export its keys @ "finish customizing my system"
[10:13] <sabmoc> heh, my password is "help" because I wasnt sure what I was doing and wrote /msg nickserv identify help
[10:13] <Liz> lol
[10:13] <sabmoc> haha
[10:13] <sabmoc> meh, I doubt anyone wants to be a sabmoc
[10:14] <sabmoc> ok, python time
[10:14] <sabmoc> ah crap, its after midnight, better make that sleeptime
[10:14] <sabmoc> cya doc folk
[10:15] <Liz> nite nite
[01:27] <froud> co.za is on the kde development map. fame at last http://physos.net/~physos/images/developer_map/smallmap.jpeg
[04:07] <abelli> ciao a a tutti
[04:52] <mdke> ola abelli
[04:53] <froud> ula ula ho hu ah
[04:53] <mdke> hi froud
[04:53] <mdke> :)
[04:53] <froud> hello good dudes
[04:54] <mdke> how is that gas of yours
[04:55] <froud> burning
[04:55] <mdke> jolly good
[04:55] <froud> jolly good show old chap. I say time to call in the gaurd, what , waht
[05:04] <abelli> dehiho
[05:06] <froud> 'ello abelli 
[05:07] <abelli> froud: ciao
[05:07] <abelli> froud: so where's god gone?
[05:07] <froud> back to the poker table to cheat on Lucifer
[05:08] <abelli> whos winning ?
[05:08] <abelli> playing what black jack?
[05:08] <apokryphos_> froud: better in here or in devel channel?
[05:08] <apokryphos_> don't wanna get in their way ;)
[05:15] <froud> apokryphos: there you go http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/kynaptic/kynaptic.html
[05:15] <apokryphos> very cool; thanks. :)
[05:16] <froud> apokryphos: svn up I did a spell check just now
[05:16] <apokryphos> k
[05:17] <abelli> apokryphos: dont let froud corrupt you .
[05:17] <apokryphos> too late :P
[05:18] <mdke> hmm
[05:18] <apokryphos> Keep inculcating ;)
[05:18] <mdke> the dark side is more powerful
[05:18] <abelli> ahh ahhh you sinner ... you're saying it .
[05:18] <froud> gimme a K
[05:19] <froud> gimme a D
[05:19] <apokryphos> D
[05:19] <froud> gimme a E
[05:20] <apokryphos> ok, back to work. :D
[05:20] <froud> what to you got K D E
[05:20] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:21] <abelli> is slow  with KDE .
[05:21] <apokryphos> froud: beginner question: I keep getting https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu' is not a working copy
[05:21] <abelli> or at least slower than G N O M E ...
[05:21] <froud> apokryphos: I forgot kongi dude
[05:21] <abelli> or better than W M Improved II
[05:21] <froud> what are you doing to get that
[05:22] <froud> you should be in kynaptic
[05:22] <froud> kynaptic/
[05:22] <froud> or did you checkout my entire kubuntu branch
[05:22] <apokryphos> I get the same thing no matter what directory I'm in... nope, just the kynaptic one.
[05:23] <froud> apokryphos: make sure you are in pwd kynaptic
[05:23] <froud> then svn up
[05:24] <apokryphos> kynaptic dir is in my ~. When doing svn up https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu/kynaptic/ kynaptic, I get that error still.
[05:24] <abelli> apokryphos: now switch rapidly to gnome
[05:24] <abelli> froud wont notice it
[05:25] <apokryphos> Well, I have been liking gnome lately
[05:25] <apokryphos> No! Stop. Must be those brainwashing powers; marking indelibly. Ouch.
[05:33] <apokryphos> froud: also, do you mind if I expand the installing Kubuntu doc later, to include, say, some of the stuff mentioned in the installingKDE wiki article?
[05:33] <apokryphos> (since, not everyone wants the things brought in with k-desktop)
[06:05] <froud> apokryphos: that doc is also in svn under kubuntu
[06:07] <apokryphos> Right. Still can't get evil svn up to work ; going to svn co for now, but I figure I'll need the to svn up later anyhow
[06:08] <froud> apokryphos: you installed subversion right
[06:09] <apokryphos> Yeah, and subversion-tools
[06:09] <froud> if you want all the kubuntu stuff in my branch just do svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu
[06:09] <apokryphos> yeah, done.
[06:09] <froud> did you checout all my kubuntu or only kynaptic
[06:09] <apokryphos> previously: kynaptic; now: done all kubuntu stuff.
[06:10] <froud> Ok so your working copy is in the rrot of kubuntu
[06:10] <apokryphos> right
[06:10] <froud> doing svn up will get updates from the repos
[06:11] <apokryphos> Yeah, like cvs up, but doesn't seem to work; bah. 
[06:12] <froud> apokryphos: what hav eyou done
[06:13] <apokryphos> Before I was trying "svn up https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu/ kynaptic" while being in the direct kynaptic dir.
[06:13] <froud> no just do svn up
[06:13] <froud> leav ethe URL
[06:13] <froud> once you have done the checkout you dont need to specify it again
[06:14] <froud> It's stored in the .svn folder
[06:14] <apokryphos> ergh, silly me. Thanks.
[06:14] <froud> much easier than cvs
[06:14] <apokryphos> Yeah
[06:14] <froud> no need for CVSROOT etc
[06:14] <froud> or -d
[06:15] <apokryphos> or cvs login etc.
[06:15] <apokryphos> yup
[06:15] <froud> If you want a cool GUI with a User Manual by me look at eSvn
[06:16] <apokryphos> Making a note; will check that out later.
[06:16] <froud> http://esvn.umputun.com/
[06:26] <froud> apokryphos: do remember to do svn up from time to time. I will be writing more into the document while you are editing.
[06:26] <apokryphos> won't it remove my changes?
[06:28] <froud> no it will only show a conflict if I touch what you are working on
[06:29] <froud> otherwise it will just merge my changes into your document.
[06:29] <apokryphos> ok
[06:31] <froud> I will just be working on Using Filters for now
[06:32] <apokryphos> I'll take care of the "Searching for Packages"
[06:32] <apokryphos> in the actual doc, the whole GPL isn't going to be there at the bottom, is it?
[06:34] <froud> for now it will
[06:35] <froud> OK the screenshots are alreay there
[06:39] <froud> apokryphos: no rush dude, chill
[06:39] <froud> go shower and shave
[06:39] <froud> dont want you date blaming me cause you stink
[06:40] <apokryphos> always fresh ;)
[06:41] <froud> apokryphos: what's your full name and email so I can add you as author?
[06:42] <apokryphos> Well, K.F. Giannaros is probably best ;); I'm known as Francis by everyone though (middle name); K = Kontantinos. francisg@gmail.com
[06:44] <froud> Cool now how do you say that ;-)
[06:45] <apokryphos> It's Greek; no-one uses the full-thing, though (like Alexander/Alex); generally just "Kosta" (same pronounciation as the coffee shop)
[06:51] <apokryphos> Bad thing with Kynaptic at the moment seems to be that you can't actually even see descriptions ;)
[06:55] <froud> Kosta, I know Kosta
[06:55] <froud> yeah kynaptic is still very basic
[06:57] <apokryphos> My docbook is still on its first legs; for describing features of hte search, do you reckon I should use varlistentry with term, listitem?
[06:57] <froud> Probably variablelist
[06:58] <froud> Put GUI option/labels into the term and the description in the listitem
[07:00] <apokryphos> ok, better get started on that next time though. Sorry for the lag ;)
[07:01] <apokryphos> ttyl; will try to get onto this as soon as I get back
[07:04] <froud> sure, remember to do svn up when you get back
[07:04] <froud> that way you will avoid conflicts      early
[08:30] <froud> anyone seen enrico
[08:31] <froud> we need to get the srcs uploaded before tomorrow/Wednesday
[08:31] <claude> enrico is at Amsterdam
[08:32] <claude> he told me ha had poor internet conectivity :(
[08:32] <froud> anyne else with whiteboard can do the upload
[09:08] <froud> what do you guys think, can we tag the repos and get on with hoary or should we wait longer?
[09:08] <froud> claude: we did not get any po files back from you guys
[09:09] <froud> are we supposed to
[09:13] <claude> froud: yes, seb128 lead the process with the ubuntu-fr list
[09:14] <claude> about-ubuntu is quite ready
[09:17] <froud> claude: so are we supposed to get po files or not?
[09:18] <claude> i hope so...
[09:18] <froud> Hmm, well mdz and thom are gonna upload soon so if they are not in they will be out until release
[09:18] <claude> i can send you the file, but don't know if he's ready
[09:19] <froud> Hmm anyone seen seb128 around
[09:20] <claude> if we don't include them right now, is it possible that they come into Hoary later ?
[09:20] <claude> or do we have to wait until next main release ?
[09:20] <froud> yes, let me see if seb128 is there
[09:21] <claude> if you find him, tell him to join here
[09:22] <froud> :-) just done that on #ubuntu-devel
[09:26] <froud> claude: seems like seb128 is not coming
[09:26] <claude> :(
[09:27] <froud> well I guess it will go in later. Anyway hopefully enrico is back by then
[09:27] <claude> i can send you the 2 french po files, so you can try to integrate them in the svn
[09:30] <claude> sent
[09:31] <froud> claude: but I dont know what to do with them
[09:31] <froud> claude: I am on the seat of my pants when it comes to i18n
[09:31] <claude> mmmh
[09:32] <seb128> hi
[09:32] <claude> haaaaaaaa !
[09:32] <claude> :)
[09:32] <froud> seb128: are you gonna give us po files
[09:32] <seb128> yep
[09:33] <froud> mdz is doing uploads
[09:33] <seb128> about-ubuntu is ready
[09:33] <froud> well thom actually
[09:33] <froud> ok so I will check that on ein
[09:33] <froud> what about release notes
[09:33] <claude> seb128: i read release-notes, the file seems to be good quality
[09:33] <seb128> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-fr/2005-March/003039.html
[09:34] <seb128> the po file is attached to this mail
[09:34] <seb128> claude: cool, I've updated the installer translations today, I'll read the note soon
[09:34] <froud> seb128: please send it to sean@inwords.co.za
[09:34] <seb128> can't you click on the click ?
[09:34] <seb128> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-fr/attachments/20050327/278a7de8/fr.bin
[09:35] <froud> Yes, but too many things
[09:35] <froud> and no records
[09:35] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[09:35] <seb128> k
[09:35] <claude> froud: these files are the same as the ones i sent you just before
[09:36] <froud> claude: ok thanks
[09:36] <seb128> claude: you have send them ?
[09:36] <claude> yes
[09:36] <froud> svn commit -m about ubuntu french about-ubuntu-fr.po --non-interactive 
[09:36] <froud> Adding about-ubuntu-fr.po
[09:36] <froud> Transmitting file data .
[09:36] <froud> Committed revision 780.
[09:36] <froud> successfully (0)
[09:37] <claude> i only sent the po files, not the xml
[09:37] <thom> froud: so, i'm just grabbing trunk then?
[09:37] <froud> svn commit -m release notes french release-notes-fr.po --non-interactive 
[09:37] <froud> Adding release-notes-fr.po
[09:37] <froud> Transmitting file data .
[09:37] <froud> Committed revision 781.
[09:37] <froud> successfully (0)
[09:38] <froud> thom: yes I think so
[09:38] <seb128> froud: thanks
[09:38] <froud> thom: I just got fr i18n from seb128 
[09:38] <froud> seb128: no thank sto you
[09:38] <froud> thom: I am not sure what enrico uploaded before
[09:38] <froud> thom: it was a black box
[09:39] <thom> okie
[09:40] <froud> thom: it would be good to know what and how so a few few of the team members can do this in the event of somebody not being available
[09:40] <froud> thom: I will speak to enrico about it when he gets out of that coffee shop in Amsterdam
[09:41] <thom> heh, nod
[09:41] <froud> I am convinced mdz is three people
[09:42] <froud> claude: we also need to reveal how we can work better with i18n teams
[09:43] <froud> claude: I am planning after haory to restructure
[09:43] <claude> froud: yes, but my first concern now is to understand how the po files will be integrated in filnal desktop
[09:43] <claude> *final*
[09:44] <froud> claude: Hmm, yes, that is something else I have no knowledge of
[09:44] <froud> claude: my areas are writing and Docbook XML framework
[09:45] <froud> claude:  enrico has been hadling packaging
[09:45] <froud> but we will need to automate the process
[09:45] <froud> what ever it is
[09:45] <Flonne> Sorry if I'm interrupting, but I've got a question.
[09:45] <claude> afk, must deal with children...
[09:45] <froud> Flonne: shoot
[09:46] <Flonne> How exactly would one go about joining the documentation team?
[09:46] <froud> you just did :-) welcome
[09:46] <froud> what would you like to work on
[09:46] <Flonne> I've got a lot of free time coming up, and the userguide seems to be woefully incomplete.
[09:46] <froud> Yes this is a target for grumpy
[09:47] <froud> we will be reoutlining and working on it soon
[09:47] <Flonne> I was actually thinking I might be able to throw together a draft in time for Hoary...
[09:47] <Flonne> I've been playing with it for the past two weeks.
[09:47] <froud> Flonne: you have a User Guide
[09:47] <Flonne> I checked it out of SVN.
[09:47] <froud> You have the content
[09:48] <Flonne> I've got a lot of it in point form, and I'm forming paragraphs and sections based on that information now.
[09:48] <Flonne> Yes, I do.
[09:48] <thom> froud: if you want to tag, rev 781 is gonna be ubuntu-docs 0.4
[09:48] <froud> Well you can do a patch
[09:49] <froud> thom: thanks
[09:49] <Flonne> 4.3 is the preferred spec right now, right?
[09:50] <froud> At the moment we have 4.1.2 and 4.3
[09:50] <froud> The User Guide should be 4.3
[09:51] <Flonne> How difficult would it be to convert 4.4 to 4.3? I began learning 4.4 before actually looking at the DTD line.
[09:52] <Flonne> Everything seems to render correctly in Yelp, but docbook2html isn't exactly pretty.
[09:53] <froud> Flonne: very easy if you have not used any 4.4 features and elements
[09:53] <thom> (froud: sorry, i mean 0.4.1-1)
[09:53] <froud> Flonne: hav eyou used any features of theat DTD
[09:53] <Flonne> I don't believe so, but I'm not entirely sure.
[09:53] <froud> chang ethe DocType Decl to 4.3 and then validate
[09:53] <froud> you will soon find out
[09:54] <Flonne> It seems to check out.
[09:55] <Flonne> Maybe docbook2html just produces ugly pages.
[09:56] <Flonne> I couldn't get it to handle link or xref correctly, though I haven't seen those used elsewhere in the User Guide, so I removed them.
[09:57] <Flonne> But that's irrelevant.
[09:59] <froud> Flonne: we use the docbook xsl and a custom layer
[09:59] <froud> if you checkout all of trunk you will have all you need
[10:00] <Flonne> I did. There was a lot more there than I expected.
[10:00] <froud> you need to have installed the docbook xsl, dtd, xsltproc, xmllint
[10:00] <froud> Our makefile will do the rest for you
[10:02] <froud> Flonne: we have a number of nice projects to work on in grumpy
[10:02] <froud> there is also an outline for the Admin Guide
[10:03] <froud> and FAQ Guide will need work
[10:03] <froud> thom: tagging done
[10:03] <froud> thom: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/ubuntu-docs-0.4
[10:04] <froud> Flonne: we also have a project called LearnLinux
[10:04] <froud> we would like to customize it to Ubuntu
[10:04] <Flonne> I'm actually having a problem with the makefile. docbook-xsl-stylesheets 1.65.1 doesn't seem to have chunk.xsl in it.
[10:05] <froud> it should give me your error please
[10:05] <Flonne> compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 7 element import
[10:05] <Flonne> xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl
[10:06] <froud> you running hoary or warty
[10:07] <Flonne> Ah... I specified the wrong location when installing the package.
[10:07] <Flonne> I'm on a school system right now. :(
[10:07] <froud> I c ok
[10:08] <froud> in libs/html-cust.xsl we specify the path for xsl:import
[10:08] <Flonne> Yeah. I was looking through it.
[10:09] <thom> froud: ok, so the procedure is: svn export  https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs-0.4.1 ; tar czf ubuntu-docs_0.4.1.orig.tar.gz ubuntu-docs-0.4.1; update debian/changelog (usually with dch); debuild -S
[10:09] <froud> cool, you understand xsl cust layers
[10:09] <Flonne> I try to research things before working with them. :)
[10:09] <thom> (you'd want to do a debuild -us -uc before the debuild -S to do test packages as well)
[10:09] <Flonne> I'll just revert that file later.
[10:10] <froud> thom: I tagged it in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/ubuntu-docs-0.4
[10:10] <froud> so
[10:10] <Flonne> Okay... Build works now.
[10:11] <froud> thom: svn export https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/ubuntu-docs-0.4 ubuntu-docs-0.4.1 ; tar czf ubuntu-docs_0.4.1.orig.tar.gz ubuntu-docs-0.4.1; update debian/changelog (usually with dch); debuild -S
[10:11] <froud> thom: is that not right
[10:11] <thom> yep
[10:11] <froud> you export from the tags/
[10:11] <froud> not the trunk///
[10:12] <thom> now you've tagged it, yeah
[10:12] <froud> Ok
[10:13] <froud> Flonne: feel free to improve the CSS and XSLs
[10:14] <froud> we dont use fo yet, but still have common.xsl just incase we do want to do xsl:fo
[10:14] <froud> Flonne: so anything common to HTML and XSL:FO goes in the common.xsl
[10:15] <froud> Flonne: at present we also dont have profiling
[10:15] <froud> Flonne: but may use it in future
[10:15] <Flonne> Is there any framework for that?
[10:15] <froud> Flonne: not yet as we dont use it yet
[10:15] <thom> Uploading via ftp ubuntu-docs_0.4.1-1.dsc: done
[10:15] <thom> have a nice day, y'all
[10:16] <froud> thom: yaaaaay thanks
[10:16] <mdke> good work you guys
[10:17] <froud> Flonne: there will be lot sof restructure after hoary
[10:17] <froud> Flonne: would like your help there
[10:17] <froud> more ideas the better
[10:18] <Flonne> I'll read as much of it as I can.
[10:18] <froud> I have a bunch of stuff in my branch too :-)
[10:18] <Flonne> In the meantime, is there any content work to do?
[10:18] <froud> feel free to hack the user guide
[10:19] <Flonne> Where should I submit changes?
[10:19] <froud> For now post patches
[10:19] <Flonne> I'm assuming someone will want to screen this before commiting.
[10:19] <froud> to the list
[10:20] <Flonne> Standard diff?
[10:20] <froud> Flonne: I will so work small
[10:20] <froud> patch often :-)
[10:20] <froud> that way I can check it better
[10:20] <froud> If I dont get it others will
[10:24] <froud> Flonne: are you a GNOME user or KDE
[10:25] <mdke> oh don't start
[10:25] <froud> If you are intersted there will also be doc work for KDE
[10:25] <mdke> lol
[10:25] <Flonne> I prefer Gnome, but I'm running one system with Kubuntu do I can test things.
[10:25] <Flonne> so*
[10:25] <froud> mdke: your nick is all wrong it should be mkde
[10:25] <mdke> ?
[10:26] <Flonne> I'm also running a system with a combination of other window managers, since I fromed an fvwm/openbox addiction a year ago.
[10:26] <froud> Flonne: OK cool I have docs work to go on http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/
[10:26] <froud> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php
[10:27] <froud> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php
[10:27] <froud> Hmm an addict I see
[10:28] <mdke> pah
[10:28] <Flonne> I blame it on the time I spent writing Arch howtos...
[10:28] <mdke> you cannot win
[10:28] <froud> xssssss
[10:30] <froud> Flonne: anyway send your patches I will be going to bed now. You should be set for now. If what's on your plate now does not satify your itch then checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud
[10:30] <froud> Flonne: warning that is a large checkout
[10:30] <froud> If you just want the kubuntu stuff https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu
[10:31] <Flonne> I'll submit them as soon as I get home, so probably in about four hours or so.
[10:31] <froud> Flonne: this branch will move in to trunk soon
[10:31] <froud> I will be in bed as I am in South Africa
[10:31] <froud> Where are you?
[10:31] <froud> Canada
[10:31] <Flonne> Western Canada.
[10:31] <Flonne> UTC-7.
[10:31] <froud> Hmm we have a few Mounties here
[10:32] <Flonne> I also speak French, so I might be able to contribute a little to the fr side of things.
[10:33] <mdke> does anyone know how the translation side of things works?
[10:33] <mdke> are they using rosetta for the quickguide?
[10:33] <froud> Flonne: well welcome to the doc team, and yes your French will be used
[10:33] <froud> mdke: speak to claude
[10:33] <Flonne> Though I'm an English/CompSci person by nature...
[10:33] <mdke> froud, i tried that yesterday
[10:33] <mdke> yeah hi Flonne welcome
[10:33] <froud> Oh dear
[10:33] <froud> well let me try
[10:33] <froud> 1. we make pot file
[10:34] <froud> 2. translation team creates po file from the pot
[10:34] <mdke> yeah
[10:34] <froud> 3. they give us back the po
[10:34] <froud> 4. we make a new XML
[10:34] <Flonne> Is this the same sort of pot used by XMMS?
[10:34] <froud> ~~~  THE END ~~~
[10:34] <mdke> froud, i c
[10:35] <mdke> thanks
[10:35] <mdke> froud, and do they work on the pot file using rosetta?
[10:35] <froud> Flonne: XMMS is a media app
[10:35] <mdke> or just individually
[10:35] <froud> mdke: I understand that Rosetta now can take documents
[10:35] <Flonne> I know, but it assembles a pot during compilation, and I'm pretty sure it's used for localization.
[10:35] <froud> there is a mail inthe list on this
[10:36] <mdke> froud, i'll have a look at their archives and the wiki pages
[10:36] <claude> no Rosetta still not contains doc
[10:36] <mdke> but i haven't come across a clear working method yet
[10:36] <mdke> claude, ok i c
[10:36] <claude> Rosetta is down now
[10:36] <mdke> claude, so how do you guys work on the translations?
[10:36] <froud> claude: ms word doc
[10:36] <froud> :-(
[10:36] <claude> Carols told us he'll try to integrate them soon
[10:37] <claude> *Carlos*
[10:37] <froud> mdke: but from our side all we need to know is how to generate pot files and how to remark from po to xml
[10:38] <froud> Burgundavia: hello dude
[10:38] <mdke> froud, i c, i was just wondering about the system for translation
[10:38] <froud> Burgundavia: where have you been
[10:38] <mdke> hi corey
[10:38] <froud> Burgundavia: you in Canada right
[10:38] <claude> froud: generating the xml from po file is not a problem
[10:38] <froud> Burgundavia: meet Flonne from W Canada
[10:39] <froud> no seams easy
[10:39] <Flonne> Hi. :)
[10:39] <froud> claude: did you add the commands and cycle to the i18n page on our wiki
[10:40] <claude> froud: something like po2xml origfile.xml file.po > newfile.xml
[10:42] <mdke> can't find much on the wiki or list about how to get involved with translating docteam documents
[10:42] <Burgundavia> salut
[10:42] <Burgundavia> Flonne: where are you?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> no I am not shy
[10:42] <claude> mdke: the process is still unmature for now
[10:42] <Burgundavia> have 40+ emails to work through
[10:42] <Flonne> I'm in Calgary.
[10:42] <mdke> claude, i c
[10:42] <Flonne> Where are you? I don't recognize gv.
[10:43] <claude> mdke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n
[10:43] <mdke> *clik*
[10:43] <mdke> ok
[10:43] <mdke> so basically step 3 is just down to individuals?
[10:44] <froud> claude: yes
[10:44] <froud> claude: yes
[10:44] <claude> froud: yes?
[10:45] <froud> claude: yes that is the command
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Flonne: Victoria, BC
[10:45] <claude> great
[10:45] <froud> can you document the commands in the cyle
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Flonne: you are Calgary, no?
[10:45] <claude> froud: done
[10:45] <froud> claude: I will need them for the make file
[10:46] <froud> yo who changed the wiki
[10:46] <Flonne> Yes, I am.
[10:46] <Burgundavia> Flonne: you know Userful computers?
[10:47] <claude> froud: changed what ?
[10:47] <mdke> claude, i'm looking through the archive but can't find the docteam pot files posted to the list, are they there?
[10:47] <Flonne> Is that the name of a store?
[10:47] <froud> why does that page look so white
[10:47] <mdke> froud, maybe you've changed your skin
[10:47] <froud> mdke: svn up 
[10:47] <froud> they are in the repos
[10:48] <froud> no just that page is like that
[10:48] <froud> the rest are not
[10:48] <mdke> froud, sure, but step 2 in the procedure is posting the pot files to the ubuntu-translators list
[10:48] <froud> mdke: which we did
[10:48] <mdke> it looks like enrico did it but it has not come up on the archives
[10:48] <claude> mdke: enrico sent them on march 25, but they are also in the repos
[10:48] <froud> jjesse: he dude
[10:49] <froud> we now also have the po files back
[10:49] <froud> but we need to make them into xml
[10:49] <jjesse> hello
[10:49] <mdke> claude, yeah must be this one: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2005-March/000153.html
[10:49] <mdke> froud, they are back already? for all languages?
[10:49] <mdke> that is cool
[10:49] <froud> claude: you wanna give it a bash
[10:49] <froud> no just fr
[10:49] <mdke> just fr?
[10:50] <mdke> is it too late for other languages?
[10:50] <froud> thanks to    seb128
[10:50] <froud> dunno
[10:50] <mdke> hmm
[10:50] <froud> mkde: we will iron this out by next release
[10:51] <claude> froud: what do you mean by "give it a bash" ?
[10:51] <froud> give it a go
[10:51] <mdke> froud, i was thinking we could post the pot files to other language lists and ask for translations
[10:51] <mdke> it might not be too late
[10:51] <froud> mkde: I see no harm in it
[10:52] <mdke> ok lemme get the pot file
[10:52] <froud> mkde let us know how it happens
[10:52] <mdke> are the pot files easy to find?
[10:53] <froud> mkde: yes in aboutubuntu/ and releasenotes/
[10:53] <mdke> which nick change?
[10:53] <mdke> froud, kthx
[10:53] <mdke> oh shit
[10:54] <mdke> damn subliminal mind games
[10:54] <froud> mKDE has not noticed
[10:54] <mdke> sorry frgnome
[10:54] <mdke> brb
[10:54] <mdke> night if i miss ya
[10:54] <froud> well chaps all we miss tonigh is enrico and Liz
[10:55] <froud> but I am off to bed. Happy hacking. Fo rthose late commers we branched ubuntu-doc 0.4 today
[10:55] <froud> Umm we tagged ubuntu-doc 0.4 today
[10:56] <claude> i'm also going to bed (not the same as froud... lol !)
[10:56] <froud> good night
[10:56] <claude> bye
[11:06] <jjesse> looks like i joined just as everyone is leaving :)
[11:06] <jjesse> or maybe they are leaving because i joined
[11:10] <Burgundavia> mdke and maskie left from a netsplit
[11:24] <graymalkin> hello
[11:25] <graymalkin> I wrote a wiki but I think I kind of screwed it up
[11:26] <graymalkin> anyone want to look at it and tweak it?
[11:31] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:33] <graymalkin> well, here is the page I did ... https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToEnableSCSIEmulationWithHoaryKernel26  ... but I did it from the sandbox, and I think instead of making a new page, it just renamed the sandbox. it should be in the "how to" section but I don't really know how to parent it or anything.
[11:33] <Burgundavia> graymalkin: hmm
[11:33] <Burgundavia> I am not an expert on the wiki
[11:33] <Burgundavia> so I will leave alone to
[11:34] <graymalkin> The problem is if you go to "help on editing" at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpOnEditing , it now says click on the "enable scsi with 2.6" page instead of the sandbox page ...
[11:34] <graymalkin> I hope someone around here can fix it
[11:36] <graymalkin> do you know who else can fix it or should I email someone?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> oh
[11:48] <graymalkin> I think I fixed it
[11:56] <graymalkin> w00t! it's set up as a new page now ... I hope someone will correctly put it in the "how-to" category ....
[11:58] <jjesse> hey nice page graymalkin