[12:02] ldd returns similar info [12:02] I'm expecting it to fail, but I'll try [12:06] looking the priority list [12:06] no one tempted to solve modconf? ;-) [12:06] hahahaha [12:06] herve, go ahead [12:07] with kernel2.6 yeah [12:07] I saw nvidia-settings on the list, and was going to take a look at it, and then I see daniels fixed it when I upgraded yesterday [12:07] it will be entertainment compared to gcompris and qt/kde :-) === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-175-222-241.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] looking at that clearsilver package... I have doubt on the mental health of either the maintainer or the mentor... [12:19] herve: just don't try to see sense in it [12:19] I do for choosing between fixing this version [12:20] or using the new one with a "oops! removed non-existent package from my control file!" changelog [12:23] dholbach, to be sure [12:23] are we supposed to remove packages from the list, once working on? [12:24] yeah [12:24] good! [12:24] I made no mistake :-) [12:28] guys, I need you to be sure I have turned mad [12:28] http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=clearsilver-dev&version=unstable&arch=i386 [12:28] http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python2.3-clearsilver&version=unstable&arch=i386 [12:28] http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python-clearsilver&version=unstable&arch=all [12:28] what's the point of those empty packages, [12:28] ?? [12:32] "added -fPIC for building. Should help to build" [12:33] yeah... it's not like the debian policy said it as "must"... [12:35] is physical violence against a DD in violation of the CoC? [12:35] id say yes [12:35] unless its preauthorized by the TB or CC [12:36] it's like that clearsilver package could have been packaged by my grandmother [12:36] i think most canonical employees never even read the CoC [12:36] -fPIC should be applied to every library w/o any thought applied [12:36] debian QA standards, heh... [12:36] its absolutely required on amd64, mips, and probably others [12:36] tseng, the debian policy clearly says it [12:36] good. [12:37] dholbach, you mean I could ask a canonical employee to torturate that guy? ;-) [12:37] herve: of course [12:37] yoohoo! [12:37] i recall at least 4-5 people kicking, killing and xyz-ing stuff [12:38] if that guy is a DD, I could have been for years [12:39] === tritium gives herve electric shock therapy ;) [12:42] wasn't enough, I still to get my nerves on something :-) [12:42] heh === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-175-222-241.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach shudders slightly === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.89.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] Well, removing the symlinks removes the lintian warnings, but the program doesn't run now. [12:44] argl [12:45] grm [12:45] bad idea then === tritium utters expletives under his breath [12:52] dholbach, would you please upload that rott^Wwonderful clearsilver package? :-) === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] heya koke ! [12:53] hi all! [12:53] I'm at home again :D [12:53] herve: of course [12:53] koke: hellas [12:53] koke, this means you're back for fixing the universe? ;-) [12:54] herve: sure :P [12:54] great! [12:54] so we have all finish in a few hours now :-) === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] now I want to play with modconf :-) [12:58] herve: erm [12:58] herve: could it be they just never built? those 2.3-modules? [12:59] they can [01:00] but the maint invented some clearsilver1 package he never created [01:00] what the... kernel-source 2.2.25 is in the archive :-) [01:00] hm, you seem to remove the python2.3-modules [01:01] and install python2.4-module :-) === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-175-222-241.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] i really have the biggest sympathy if you do that, but...hmmmmm [01:25] let's pretend I haven't touched modconf at all... [01:26] don't feel so obliged [01:27] can I push it to the morgue? :-p [01:27] don't think so [01:29] dholbach, what is the number in parentheses next to the package? [01:29] (in priority list) [01:29] popcon rank [01:29] popcon.debian.org [01:30] er... [01:30] are the most important packages at the top or bottom? [01:30] top :-) [01:31] hmm [01:31] ho [01:31] rank != score [01:31] unless less is better :-) [01:32] lamont, ping [01:32] does anyone have an ia64? [01:33] herve, are we millionaires ? :-P [01:33] not all of us ;-) [01:33] heh [01:34] hmm [01:34] kdebase should not be ther [01:34] e [01:34] it's in main [01:35] move it the the mo... er I mean, remove it :-) [01:36] the same goes for kdeaddons [01:36] was something decided for kernel 2.4 packages? [01:37] they need to be in [01:37] zul wanted to take care of those [01:37] make them installable again [01:37] or look which could be chucked out [01:37] probably hecould take modconf too [01:38] who will otherwise? ;-) [01:38] fabio [01:39] ok pals, i think i'm off for tonight [01:39] see you tomorrow [01:39] herve: not really here - need to run off for a while [01:40] amu: kdepim-dev: Depends: kmail (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed [01:40] is the new kdeaddons state [01:40] lamont, he's not here [01:40] lamont, -> -evel [01:40] devel [01:41] night dholbach [01:41] good night dholbach [01:41] bye ogra [01:41] ogra: ah, [01:44] I can't see what's wrong with svgalib1g(-dev) [01:44] sure it's outdated [01:44] but I still can install it [01:44] ogra, I poked amu about krecipes review [01:45] yup, i saw :) [01:48] cool :) === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] herve: which platform? [01:55] and package... [01:55] ia64 [01:55] pidentd, a2ps and mpage [01:56] seems they were blocked by these problems on the buildd [01:56] pidentd could even be in the ia64 archive by now [01:58] grep svgalib_ buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.* [01:58] buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.i386:universe/libs/svgalib_1:1.4.3-20ubuntu2: Installed by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] [01:58] that's what's wrong with svgalib... [01:58] it only exists on i386... === lamont must go. [01:58] I don't really know svgalib [01:59] but what's wrong about it :-) [01:59] thanks lamont [02:18] night all === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.89.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.89.250] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax8-239.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jorge_ [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janc [~janc@dD576265C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] ok, I'm going to go ahead and transition python-kde3 if that's ok with others. [05:56] Will wait one day for objections. === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] what's up tritium [06:34] Not much, how about you schweeb? [06:34] trying to work up the energy to work on something before bed :) [06:35] It's pretty late already ;) [06:35] yea, 11:40 already [06:36] yep [06:59] evening you two ;) [07:00] hi crimsun. What did you just fix for GhostFaceKilla? [07:00] tritium: .desktop entry for vlc was installed to wrong location in debian/rules (d'oh!) [07:01] nice fix :) [07:01] I wish all fixes were that straightforward ;) [07:02] yeah === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === HostingGeek is now known as keeGgnitsoH === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] [10:20] heya [10:21] I'm fine with the idea, trulux, but we need to go over them [10:21] crimsun: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/libssp/debian/ === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-045-188.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] ogra: pitti commented to me that I can ask you too [10:22] hey doko [10:24] jezz, this ill is an asspain [10:25] hmm [10:25] 404 [10:27] crimsun: really? [10:27] it's mirrored [10:28] immediate solution: http://tuxedo-es.org/downloads/libssp/ [10:28] it's rsync'ed every hour with pearls.tuxe... [10:29] any possibility that 2001:470:1f01:165::1 has a different config from 140.211.166.18? [10:29] apparently I'm hitting the ipv6 addr [10:30] then that's the problem [10:30] I will report it to OFTC [10:30] thanks. [10:30] thanks for noticing it :) [10:30] np :) [10:31] reported [10:37] hmm, I'll just trick moz-firefox into using only ipv4 [10:43] ok [10:43] hehe [10:44] have you got the packages, diff, dsc and original tarball? I can mail them so you don't need to waste your time [10:45] I'll try and wget them from the mailing list post === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] trulux: have these packages been added to MOTUToDo? [10:49] crimsun: ok, many thanks in advance [10:49] crimsun: not yet === trulux goes for it [10:49] trulux: ok, please add these, thanks :) [10:51] morning [10:52] morning, ogra :) [10:52] trulux, guessing libssp is a NEW package, it should also go on MOTUNewPackages [10:54] ogra: Ok, so, not in Todo [10:54] jezz, reversed TPE got in grsec a few time ago, and that was an idea of mine that was remove from vSecurity in it's first release :D [10:55] if you put it on todo, add a hint to it...that ist on NEW === trulux slaps himself [10:55] ok [10:58] will look later, have to jet back to work. === crimsun waves [10:58] bye crimsun [10:58] bye ogra, trulux [11:09] ogra: done [11:09] great :) === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === dholbach [~daniel@td90919a0.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] hey! [11:23] hi [11:24] dholbach: qoo woo! [11:24] :-) [11:26] dholbach: submitted libssp1 stuff to MOTUTodo [11:26] mot mot! [11:26] it's a NEW package, right? [11:27] right [11:27] could you then put it on MOTUNEWPackages, please? [11:27] it's in NewPackages page [11:27] ah right ok [11:27] just my repo is in Todo page [11:53] Ubuntu is really Debian on steroids [11:53] shouldn't that be the motto of the project? === dholbach linkes this better: "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. [11:55] me too [11:55] it would rock to append my one ;D === trulux kidding === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] hey koke [11:58] hi all [11:59] do you know if I already can upload? [12:00] ask elmo if he added your key to the keyring === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] hmmm, I think I should add a bit more of complexity to the list :) [12:01] hi [12:02] IMHO, WithoutDesktopFile packages have less priority than DoesNotBuild [12:02] dholbach: elmo is 82 hours idle :) [12:03] hrm [12:11] anyone reviewing libssp1? [12:11] trulux, there are a lot other packages on NEW... [12:12] i doubt we will have three free MOTUs before release [12:12] (regarding the more then 3000 unbuildable packages on the lists) [12:13] christ :O [12:13] ok, kein Problem [12:13] :) [12:13] gut :) [12:14] trulux, you targeted breezy anyway, right ? [12:14] right, but getting libssp1 in Hoary might be a great thing [12:14] as my gcc patches are already in gcc-3.4 sources [12:14] :) [12:15] lets see waht we can do, but i cant promise anything.... [12:37] many thanks in advance [12:37] ogra: NP, don't do it if it harms other Ubuntu work being done [12:38] If i must wait I will do, first we need to to get Hoary properly released, and I wouldn't like to an asshole that makes it harder to accomplish ;) [12:38] s/to an/to be an/ === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-201.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] hi! [01:17] hey herve [01:18] guys what's the freeze policy for universe nowadays? apt-proxy should be updated to newest version because I have fixed a lot of bugs since the current universe version [01:18] haggai: update it [01:19] dholbach: k thanks [01:20] haggai, we are unfrozen until the last minute ;) [01:21] heh I thought that would be the case :) [01:21] hi haggai ! [01:21] glad to hear you [01:21] hi herve [01:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/putty/0.57-1/putty_0.57-1_20050324-1302-ia64-failed [01:40] that looks like a problem on the buildd to me [01:40] I have several like this [01:40] I suggest we make up a list for lamont to check [01:40] and give them a kick if necessary [01:40] Treenaks, thats before 19:00 [01:40] yeah [01:41] ogra, 18:57 precisely ;-) [01:41] ogra: oh, there should be a note on the page about that then :) [01:41] heh [01:41] even more [01:41] I'll change the wiki page for that list [01:41] yeah === Treenaks waits === amu [~amu@amu.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] guys please, please, please comment dholbachs apt-get.org mail, its important that we see as many opinions as possible [01:47] moin [01:47] hey amu [01:48] Treenaks, done [01:49] hi amu, frohe eier ;) [01:49] hmm... I wonder if the "can't build" table applied [01:51] ogra: replied [01:51] hey ajmitch ! [01:51] hi [01:51] hey ajmitch [01:51] yeah !! === rubenv [~lambda1@83-134-128-94.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] hopefully I used the right email address ;) [01:52] heh [01:53] nice reply :) [01:53] thanks [01:53] we've probably a new guy for packaging kde, i'll send him to here, he's very new on building .debs [01:53] great.. [01:53] cool [01:53] we'll push him into shape ;) [01:53] MOTUKDETeam is just around the corner [01:53] as long as he's not new to building itself :-) === ajmitch subscribes to u-users === dholbach hands ajmitch a handkerchief... in advance [01:55] dholbach: I wasn't using my gmail account for anything useful ;) [01:55] hehe [01:55] ah alright, i see === motaboy [~motaboy@host116-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] ogra: danke, wuensch dir auch dicke eier === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-32-39.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] amu, hehe [01:56] motaboy: welcome, this is the motu channel [01:57] amu: Hi :D [01:57] hi motaboy [01:57] hi ogra === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] Treenaks, I merged my list with the "can't build" table in the end [02:14] erm [02:14] latest putty ia64 build succeeded [02:14] so end of the story? === herve wikiing again... [02:16] I've got a little question. kdebluetooth has it source dir called kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1 and already a debian dir that I'd like to change. [02:17] the version is wrong. How can I call it? [02:17] motaboy: what version would be appropriate? [02:18] oh so it's a NEW package... does not exist yet for debian/ubuntu? [02:18] dholbach: not again [02:18] dholbach: the problem is that dh_make says that kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1 is wrong (for the _ betwee 1.0 and beta1) [02:19] doko: but also calling it 1.0beta1 is wrong as 1.0beta1 > 1.0 for apt [02:19] perhaps 1.0~beta1 would be acceptable [02:19] yeah exactly [02:20] dpkg --compare-versions can always tell [02:21] dholbach: the problems is that I want to keep the original debian dir, create a .orig file, and then change it. [02:21] to do this I tried using dh_make to create the orig file, but it complains on the directory name. [02:21] let me suggest 1.0+beta1 [02:22] motaboy: no problem: mv upstream-tarball.tar.gz _.orig.tar.gz [02:23] haggai, that's just this step? [02:23] then extract it to - and if you run debuild -S (after applying your changes) you have a nice source package and a nice diff.gz which tells what you changed === mfoxela [~legolas@port-212-202-8-100.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] dholbach: Thanks a lot. I'll try! [02:24] motaboy: cool :-) [02:25] herve: 1.0+beta1 > 1.0 - not good for apt [02:25] dholbach: and the _.orig.tar.gz would have the new version i choosed, but I'll keppe it's dir to the original name? [02:25] 0.99+1.0beta1 [02:25] starting with breezy I hope we are able to use 1.0~beta1 [02:25] ajmitch: using '~' causes problems with various tools [02:26] haggai: I thought those tools were fixed by now [02:26] ajmitch: I don't think so for hoary [02:26] and that it was only woody that had old enough versions to break [02:26] doko: it should work already [02:26] ajmitch: no, there are other factors. eg libtool breaks [02:26] nasty [02:26] libtool uses '~' as internal seperator and you get all sorts of problems [02:26] oh [02:26] hrm [02:27] that one might be fixed but afaik there were other probs [02:33] how can I see the current list of packages with version on ia64 [02:34] some build issues seem resolved by now === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089B366.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] dholbach: yes, it works, but does it already get accepted by katie? [02:48] doko: i recall a package using it... hang on... i'll ask mvo, he'll know [02:48] dholbach, ALL packages on backports use ~ [02:49] ogra: that doesnt answer the katie question :-) [02:49] ogra: you said the word! [02:49] dholbach, which you secetly asked while i was disconnected ;-P [02:49] ogra: no... doko did [02:49] ah, ok *g* [02:49] ogra: and you were there [02:50] 14:47 [02:50] ah, ok.... the first sign of life i saw again after the GRMBLFJX [02:51] doko: he thinks i should work and also recalls some package using it already :-) === doko thinks dholbach's dog needs fresh air ... [02:54] doko: he thinks it should work .... :-) [02:55] doko: murphy will get fresh air an hour or something, when i finished this does-not-build list crack === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] ok, i'm going to ease some wiki pain: I'll remove UniverseDoesNotBuild and integrate it into UniversePriorityList (i'll try to take care of your changes ;-)) and it'll be all in the format: * libdata-dumper-perl [http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libd/libdata-dumper-perl/ Logs] (16848) === tritium [~rimbert@ee213-dhcp-9.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] Good morning :) [03:19] hi tritium [03:20] hi ogra === jinty [~jinty@196.28.42.70] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] heya tritium ! [03:23] hi herve! [03:24] What's up herve? [03:24] Thanks to you all I finally understand how everything works and made a first version kdebluetooth deb. [03:24] compiling packages all day and night :-) [03:25] now I've got other questions :P [03:25] way to go :) [03:26] in kdebluetooth there's also an IrmcSync konnector for kitchensync... I'd like to make a separate package for it as it depens on kdepim and it's not very stable... [03:27] what is the policy compliant name it should have? [03:28] check how other kitchensync connectors are named [03:29] herve: they are all in the kitchensync package. [03:31] ok lists done [03:31] I suggest kdebluetooth-irmcsync then [03:31] hey tritium [03:31] UniverseDoesNotBuild is obsolete [03:32] sorry for the trouble i gave you... list-wise [03:32] but it took me a while to figure out [03:32] and i hope the test rebuild is finished soon [03:32] dholbach, you have me no trouble at all. What do you mean? [03:32] gave, that is [03:33] ha [03:33] I tought you were doing mistakes using French grammar :-) [03:33] tritium: i mean the lists (UniverseDoesNotBuild and UniversePriorityList) on the wiki - i manage to have main entries there as well, forget to remove things, ... [03:33] (thought) [03:34] dholbach, it's okay :) [03:34] herve: is this the only trouble i gave you? :-) [03:34] herve, did I use French grammar unknowingly? [03:35] not really :-) [03:35] herve: ok thanks! [03:35] so: have fun with UniversePriorityList - i'll take a leaf out of doko's book and head out for a walk [03:37] ++ [03:39] er... dholbach? [03:39] herve: h? [03:39] hm? [03:39] it seems you have added packages from main [03:39] yeah [03:40] i know [03:40] and there are xcfe packages, although they have their own list [03:40] sorry for that [03:40] if you have an idea how to fix it... i put the URLs of the scripts i used on the page [03:41] and i didnt "add" them, i just didnt manage to remove them :-) [03:41] I compared to the previous list :-) [03:47] herve: so now I should create a debian/kdebluetooth.files and a debian/kdebluetooth-irmcsync.files reporting inside the files needed by the packages? [03:48] yes [03:48] now you have several binaries [03:48] herve: or can I only define the debian/kdebluetooth-irmcsync.files and all the other will automaatically belong to kdebluetooth? [03:48] you need to distinguish those kind of files [03:48] hmm... I don't really now for that [03:52] I'll try to clean the list === jinty [~jinty@196.28.47.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] bbl [04:04] see you dholbach [04:05] bye dholbach [04:16] hey, is there someone in here that can upload a patch for schoolbell for me? [04:37]