[12:02] <tritium> ldd returns similar info
[12:02] <tritium> I'm expecting it to fail, but I'll try
[12:06] <herve> looking the priority list
[12:06] <herve> no one tempted to solve modconf? ;-)
[12:06] <dholbach> hahahaha
[12:06] <ogra> herve, go ahead
[12:07] <dholbach> with kernel2.6 yeah
[12:07] <tritium> I saw nvidia-settings on the list, and was going to take a look at it, and then I see daniels fixed it when I upgraded yesterday
[12:07] <herve> it will be entertainment compared to gcompris and qt/kde :-)
[12:18] <herve> looking at that clearsilver package... I have doubt on the mental health of either the maintainer or the mentor...
[12:19] <dholbach> herve: just don't try to see sense in it
[12:19] <herve> I do for choosing between fixing this version
[12:20] <herve> or using the new one with a "oops! removed non-existent package from my control file!" changelog
[12:23] <herve> dholbach, to be sure
[12:23] <herve> are we supposed to remove packages from the list, once working on?
[12:24] <dholbach> yeah
[12:24] <herve> good!
[12:24] <herve> I made no mistake :-)
[12:28] <herve> guys, I need you to be sure I have turned mad
[12:28] <herve> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=clearsilver-dev&version=unstable&arch=i386
[12:28] <herve> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python2.3-clearsilver&version=unstable&arch=i386
[12:28] <herve> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python-clearsilver&version=unstable&arch=all
[12:28] <herve> what's the point of those empty packages,
[12:28] <herve> ??
[12:32] <herve> "added -fPIC for building. Should help to build"
[12:33] <herve> yeah... it's not like the debian policy said it as "must"...
[12:35] <herve> is physical violence against a DD in violation of the CoC?
[12:35] <tseng> id say yes
[12:35] <tseng> unless its preauthorized by the TB or CC
[12:36] <herve> it's like that clearsilver package could have been packaged by my grandmother
[12:36] <dholbach> i think most canonical employees never even read the CoC
[12:36] <tseng> -fPIC should be applied to every library w/o any thought applied
[12:36] <herve> debian QA standards, heh...
[12:36] <tseng> its absolutely required on amd64, mips, and probably others
[12:36] <herve> tseng, the debian policy clearly says it
[12:36] <tseng> good.
[12:37] <herve> dholbach, you mean I could ask a canonical employee to torturate that guy? ;-)
[12:37] <dholbach> herve: of course
[12:37] <herve> yoohoo!
[12:37] <dholbach> i recall at least 4-5 people kicking, killing and xyz-ing stuff
[12:38] <herve> if that guy is a DD, I could have been for years
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[12:42] <herve> wasn't enough, I still to get my nerves on something :-)
[12:42] <tritium> heh
[12:44] <tritium> Well, removing the symlinks removes the lintian warnings, but the program doesn't run now.
[12:44] <dholbach> argl
[12:45] <dholbach> grm
[12:45] <dholbach> bad idea then
[12:52] <herve> dholbach, would you please upload that rott^Wwonderful clearsilver package? :-)
[12:52] <herve> heya koke !
[12:53] <koke> hi all!
[12:53] <koke> I'm at home again :D
[12:53] <dholbach> herve: of course
[12:53] <dholbach> koke: hellas
[12:53] <herve> koke, this means you're back for fixing the universe? ;-)
[12:54] <koke> herve: sure :P
[12:54] <herve> great!
[12:54] <herve> so we have all finish in a few hours now :-)
[12:58] <herve> now I want to play with modconf :-)
[12:58] <dholbach> herve: erm
[12:58] <dholbach> herve: could it be they just never built? those 2.3-modules?
[12:59] <herve> they can
[01:00] <herve> but the maint invented some clearsilver1 package he never created
[01:00] <herve> what the... kernel-source 2.2.25 is in the archive :-)
[01:00] <dholbach> hm, you seem to remove the python2.3-modules
[01:01] <herve> and install python2.4-module :-)
[01:01] <dholbach> i really have the biggest sympathy if you do that, but...hmmmmm
[01:25] <herve> let's pretend I haven't touched modconf at all...
[01:26] <dholbach> don't feel so obliged
[01:27] <herve> can I push it to the morgue? :-p
[01:27] <dholbach> don't think so
[01:29] <herve> dholbach, what is the number in parentheses next to the package?
[01:29] <herve> (in priority list)
[01:29] <dholbach> popcon rank
[01:29] <dholbach> popcon.debian.org
[01:30] <herve> er...
[01:30] <herve> are the most important packages at the top or bottom?
[01:30] <dholbach> top :-)
[01:31] <herve> hmm
[01:31] <herve> ho
[01:31] <herve> rank != score
[01:31] <herve> unless less is better :-)
[01:32] <herve> lamont, ping
[01:32] <herve> does anyone have an ia64?
[01:33] <ogra> herve, are we millionaires ? :-P
[01:33] <herve> not all of us ;-)
[01:33] <ogra> heh
[01:34] <herve> hmm
[01:34] <herve> kdebase should not be ther
[01:34] <herve> e
[01:34] <herve> it's in main
[01:35] <herve> move it the the mo... er I mean, remove it :-)
[01:36] <herve> the same goes for kdeaddons
[01:36] <herve> was something decided for kernel 2.4 packages?
[01:37] <ogra> they need to be in
[01:37] <dholbach> zul wanted to take care of those
[01:37] <dholbach> make them installable again
[01:37] <dholbach> or look which could be chucked out
[01:37] <ogra> probably hecould take modconf too
[01:38] <herve> who will otherwise? ;-)
[01:38] <ogra> fabio
[01:39] <dholbach> ok pals, i think i'm off for tonight
[01:39] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[01:39] <lamont> herve: not really  here - need to run off for a while
[01:40] <lamont> amu:   kdepim-dev: Depends: kmail (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[01:40] <lamont> is the new kdeaddons state
[01:40] <ogra> lamont, he's not here
[01:40] <ogra> lamont, -> -evel
[01:40] <ogra> devel
[01:41] <ogra> night dholbach
[01:41] <tritium> good night dholbach
[01:41] <dholbach> bye ogra
[01:41] <lamont> ogra: ah,
[01:44] <herve> I can't see what's wrong with svgalib1g(-dev)
[01:44] <herve> sure it's outdated
[01:44] <herve> but I still can install it
[01:44] <tritium> ogra, I poked amu about krecipes review
[01:45] <ogra> yup, i saw :)
[01:48] <tritium> cool :)
[01:55] <lamont> herve: which platform?
[01:55] <lamont> and package...
[01:55] <herve> ia64
[01:55] <herve> pidentd, a2ps and mpage
[01:56] <herve> seems they were blocked by these problems on the buildd
[01:56] <herve> pidentd could even be in the ia64 archive by now
[01:58] <lamont> grep svgalib_ buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.*
[01:58] <lamont> buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.i386:universe/libs/svgalib_1:1.4.3-20ubuntu2: Installed by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] 
[01:58] <lamont> that's what's wrong with svgalib...
[01:58] <lamont> it only exists on i386...
[01:58] <herve> I don't really know svgalib
[01:59] <herve> but what's wrong about it :-)
[01:59] <herve> thanks lamont
[02:18] <herve> night all
[05:55] <crimsun> ok, I'm going to go ahead and transition python-kde3 if that's ok with others.
[05:56] <crimsun> Will wait one day for objections.
[06:33] <schweeb> what's up tritium
[06:34] <tritium> Not much, how about you schweeb?
[06:34] <schweeb> trying to work up the energy to work on something before bed :)
[06:35] <tritium> It's pretty late already ;)
[06:35] <schweeb> yea, 11:40 already
[06:36] <tritium> yep
[06:59] <crimsun> evening you two ;)
[07:00] <tritium> hi crimsun.  What did you just fix for GhostFaceKilla?
[07:00] <crimsun> tritium: .desktop entry for vlc was installed to wrong location in debian/rules (d'oh!)
[07:01] <tritium> nice fix :)
[07:01] <crimsun> I wish all fixes were that straightforward ;)
[07:02] <tritium> yeah
[10:20] <trulux> heya
[10:21] <crimsun> I'm fine with the idea, trulux, but we need to go over them
[10:21] <trulux> crimsun: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/libssp/debian/
[10:22] <trulux> ogra: pitti commented to me that I can ask you too
[10:22] <trulux> hey doko
[10:24] <trulux> jezz, this ill is an asspain
[10:25] <crimsun> hmm
[10:25] <crimsun> 404
[10:27] <trulux> crimsun: really?
[10:27] <trulux> it's mirrored
[10:28] <trulux> immediate solution: http://tuxedo-es.org/downloads/libssp/
[10:28] <trulux> it's rsync'ed every hour with pearls.tuxe...
[10:29] <crimsun> any possibility that 2001:470:1f01:165::1 has a different config from 140.211.166.18?
[10:29] <crimsun> apparently I'm hitting the ipv6 addr
[10:30] <trulux> then that's the problem
[10:30] <trulux> I will report it to OFTC
[10:30] <crimsun> thanks.
[10:30] <trulux> thanks for noticing it :)
[10:30] <crimsun> np :)
[10:31] <trulux> reported
[10:37] <crimsun> hmm, I'll just trick moz-firefox into using only ipv4
[10:43] <trulux> ok
[10:43] <trulux> hehe
[10:44] <trulux> have you got the packages, diff, dsc and original tarball? I can mail them so you don't need to waste your time
[10:45] <crimsun> I'll try and wget them from the mailing list post
[10:49] <crimsun> trulux: have these packages been added to MOTUToDo?
[10:49] <trulux> crimsun: ok, many thanks in advance
[10:49] <trulux> crimsun: not yet
[10:49] <crimsun> trulux: ok, please add these, thanks :)
[10:51] <ogra> morning
[10:52] <crimsun> morning, ogra :)
[10:52] <ogra> trulux, guessing libssp is a NEW package, it should also go on MOTUNewPackages
[10:54] <trulux> ogra: Ok, so, not in Todo
[10:54] <trulux> jezz, reversed TPE got in grsec a few time ago, and that was an idea of mine that was remove from vSecurity in it's first release :D
[10:55] <ogra> if you put it on todo, add a hint to it...that ist on NEW
[10:55] <trulux> ok
[10:58] <crimsun> will look later, have to jet back to work.
[10:58] <ogra> bye crimsun
[10:58] <crimsun> bye ogra, trulux
[11:09] <trulux> ogra: done
[11:09] <ogra> great :)
[11:23] <dholbach> hey!
[11:23] <ogra> hi
[11:24] <trulux> dholbach: qoo woo!
[11:24] <dholbach> :-)
[11:26] <trulux> dholbach: submitted libssp1 stuff to MOTUTodo
[11:26] <trulux> mot mot!
[11:26] <dholbach> it's a NEW package, right?
[11:27] <trulux> right
[11:27] <dholbach> could you then put it on MOTUNEWPackages, please?
[11:27] <trulux> it's in NewPackages page
[11:27] <dholbach> ah right ok
[11:27] <trulux> just my repo is in Todo page
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[11:53] <trulux> shouldn't that be the motto of the project?
[11:55] <trulux> me too
[11:55] <trulux> it would rock to append my one ;D
[11:58] <dholbach> hey koke
[11:58] <koke> hi all
[11:59] <koke> do you know if I already can upload?
[12:00] <dholbach> ask elmo if he added your key to the keyring
[12:01] <koke> hmmm, I think I should add a bit more of complexity to the list :)
[12:01] <encolpe> hi
[12:02] <koke> IMHO, WithoutDesktopFile packages have less priority than DoesNotBuild
[12:02] <koke> dholbach: elmo is 82 hours idle :)
[12:03] <dholbach> hrm
[12:11] <trulux> anyone reviewing libssp1?
[12:11] <ogra> trulux, there are a lot other packages on NEW...
[12:12] <ogra> i doubt we will have three free MOTUs before release
[12:12] <ogra> (regarding the more then 3000 unbuildable packages on the lists)
[12:13] <trulux> christ :O
[12:13] <trulux> ok, kein Problem
[12:13] <trulux> :)
[12:13] <ogra> gut :)
[12:14] <ogra> trulux, you targeted breezy anyway, right  ?
[12:14] <trulux> right, but getting libssp1 in Hoary might be a great thing
[12:14] <trulux> as my gcc patches are already in gcc-3.4 sources
[12:14] <trulux> :)
[12:15] <ogra> lets see waht we can do, but i cant promise anything....
[12:37] <trulux> many thanks in advance
[12:37] <trulux> ogra: NP, don't do it if it harms other Ubuntu work being done
[12:38] <trulux> If i must wait I will do, first we need to to get Hoary properly released, and I wouldn't like to an asshole that makes it harder to accomplish ;)
[12:38] <trulux> s/to an/to be an/
[01:15] <herve> hi!
[01:17] <dholbach> hey herve
[01:18] <haggai> guys what's the freeze policy for universe nowadays?  apt-proxy should be updated to newest version because I have fixed a lot of bugs since the current universe version
[01:18] <dholbach> haggai: update it
[01:19] <haggai> dholbach: k thanks
[01:20] <ogra> haggai, we are unfrozen until the last minute ;)
[01:21] <haggai> heh I thought that would be the case :)
[01:21] <herve> hi haggai !
[01:21] <herve> glad to hear you
[01:21] <haggai> hi herve
[01:40] <Treenaks> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/putty/0.57-1/putty_0.57-1_20050324-1302-ia64-failed
[01:40] <Treenaks> that looks like a problem on the buildd to me
[01:40] <herve> I have several like this
[01:40] <herve> I suggest we make up a list for lamont to check
[01:40] <herve> and give them a kick if necessary
[01:40] <ogra> Treenaks, thats before 19:00
[01:40] <Treenaks> yeah
[01:41] <herve> ogra, 18:57 precisely ;-)
[01:41] <Treenaks> ogra: oh, there should be a note on the page about that then :)
[01:41] <ogra> heh
[01:41] <herve> even more
[01:41] <herve> I'll change the wiki page for that list
[01:41] <ogra> yeah
[01:46] <ogra> guys please, please, please comment dholbachs apt-get.org mail, its important that we see as many opinions as possible
[01:47] <amu> moin
[01:47] <dholbach> hey amu
[01:48] <herve> Treenaks, done
[01:49] <ogra> hi amu, frohe eier ;)
[01:49] <herve> hmm... I wonder if the "can't build" table applied
[01:51] <ajmitch> ogra: replied
[01:51] <herve> hey ajmitch !
[01:51] <ajmitch> hi
[01:51] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[01:51] <ogra> yeah !!
[01:51] <ajmitch> hopefully I used the right email address ;)
[01:52] <ogra> heh
[01:53] <ogra> nice reply :)
[01:53] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:53] <amu> we've probably a new guy for packaging kde, i'll send him to here, he's very new on building .debs
[01:53] <ogra> great..
[01:53] <dholbach> cool
[01:53] <ogra> we'll push him into shape ;)
[01:53] <dholbach> MOTUKDETeam is just around the corner
[01:53] <herve> as long as he's not new to building itself :-)
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: I wasn't using my gmail account for anything useful ;)
[01:55] <ogra> hehe
[01:55] <dholbach> ah alright, i see
[01:55] <amu> ogra: danke, wuensch dir auch dicke eier
[01:55] <ogra> amu, hehe
[01:56] <amu> motaboy: welcome, this is the motu channel
[01:57] <motaboy> amu: Hi :D
[01:57] <ogra> hi motaboy
[01:57] <motaboy> hi ogra
[02:13] <herve> Treenaks, I merged my list with the "can't build" table in the end
[02:14] <herve> erm
[02:14] <herve> latest putty ia64 build succeeded
[02:14] <herve> so end of the story?
[02:16] <motaboy> I've got a little question. kdebluetooth has it source dir called kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1 and already a debian dir that I'd like to change.
[02:17] <motaboy> the version is wrong. How can I call it?
[02:17] <dholbach> motaboy: what version would be appropriate?
[02:18] <dholbach> oh so it's a NEW package... does not exist yet for debian/ubuntu?
[02:18] <motaboy> dholbach: not again
[02:18] <motaboy> dholbach: the problem is that dh_make says that kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1 is wrong (for the _ betwee 1.0  and beta1)
[02:19] <motaboy> doko: but also calling it 1.0beta1 is wrong as 1.0beta1 > 1.0 for apt
[02:19] <ajmitch> perhaps 1.0~beta1 would be acceptable
[02:19] <dholbach> yeah exactly
[02:20] <dholbach> dpkg --compare-versions   can always tell
[02:21] <motaboy> dholbach: the problems is that I want to keep the original debian dir, create a .orig file, and then change it.
[02:21] <motaboy> to do this I tried using dh_make to create the orig file, but it complains on the directory name.
[02:21] <herve> let me suggest 1.0+beta1
[02:22] <dholbach> motaboy: no problem: mv upstream-tarball.tar.gz <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[02:23] <herve> haggai, that's just this step?
[02:23] <dholbach> then extract it to   <package>-<version>  and if you run   debuild -S   (after applying your changes) you have a nice source package and a nice diff.gz which tells what you changed
[02:23] <motaboy> dholbach: Thanks a lot. I'll try!
[02:24] <dholbach> motaboy: cool :-)
[02:25] <haggai> herve: 1.0+beta1 > 1.0   - not good for apt
[02:25] <motaboy> dholbach: and the <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz would have the new version i choosed, but I'll keppe it's dir to the original name?
[02:25] <haggai> 0.99+1.0beta1
[02:25] <doko> starting with breezy I hope we are able to use 1.0~beta1
[02:25] <haggai> ajmitch: using '~' causes problems with various tools
[02:26] <ajmitch> haggai: I thought those tools were fixed by now
[02:26] <haggai> ajmitch: I don't think so for hoary
[02:26] <ajmitch> and that it was only woody that had old enough versions to break
[02:26] <dholbach> doko: it should work already
[02:26] <haggai> ajmitch: no, there are other factors.  eg libtool breaks
[02:26] <ajmitch> nasty
[02:26] <haggai> libtool uses '~' as internal seperator and you get all sorts of problems
[02:26] <dholbach> oh
[02:26] <dholbach> hrm
[02:27] <haggai> that one might be fixed but afaik there were other probs
[02:33] <herve> how can I see the current list of packages with version on ia64
[02:34] <herve> some build issues seem resolved by now
[02:47] <doko> dholbach: yes, it works, but does it already get accepted by katie?
[02:48] <dholbach> doko: i recall a package using it... hang on... i'll ask mvo, he'll know
[02:48] <ogra> dholbach, ALL packages on backports use ~
[02:49] <dholbach> ogra: that doesnt answer the katie question :-)
[02:49] <ajmitch> ogra: you said the word!
[02:49] <ogra> dholbach, which you secetly asked while i was disconnected ;-P
[02:49] <dholbach> ogra: no... doko did
[02:49] <ogra> ah, ok *g*
[02:49] <dholbach> ogra: and you were there
[02:50] <dholbach> 14:47
[02:50] <ogra> ah, ok.... the first sign of life i saw again after the GRMBLFJX
[02:51] <dholbach> doko: he thinks i should work and also recalls some package using it already :-)
[02:54] <dholbach> doko: he thinks it should work .... :-)
[02:55] <dholbach> doko: murphy will get fresh air an hour or something, when i finished this does-not-build list crack
[03:12] <dholbach> ok, i'm going to ease some wiki pain: I'll remove UniverseDoesNotBuild and integrate it into UniversePriorityList (i'll try to take care of your changes ;-)) and it'll be all in the format:  * libdata-dumper-perl [http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libd/libdata-dumper-perl/ Logs]  (16848)
[03:19] <tritium> Good morning :)
[03:19] <ogra> hi tritium
[03:20] <tritium> hi ogra
[03:23] <herve> heya tritium !
[03:23] <tritium> hi herve!
[03:24] <tritium> What's up herve?
[03:24] <motaboy> Thanks to you all I finally understand how everything works and made a first version kdebluetooth deb.
[03:24] <herve> compiling packages all day and night :-)
[03:25] <motaboy> now I've got other questions :P
[03:25] <tritium> way to go :)
[03:26] <motaboy> in kdebluetooth there's also an IrmcSync konnector for kitchensync... I'd like to make a separate package for it as it depens on kdepim and it's not very stable...
[03:27] <motaboy> what is the policy compliant name it should have?
[03:28] <herve> check how other kitchensync connectors are named
[03:29] <motaboy> herve: they are all in the kitchensync package.
[03:31] <dholbach> ok lists done
[03:31] <herve> I suggest kdebluetooth-irmcsync then
[03:31] <dholbach> hey tritium
[03:31] <dholbach> UniverseDoesNotBuild is obsolete
[03:32] <dholbach> sorry for the trouble i gave you... list-wise
[03:32] <dholbach> but it took me a while to figure out
[03:32] <dholbach> and i hope the test rebuild is finished soon
[03:32] <tritium> dholbach, you have me no trouble at all.  What do you mean?
[03:32] <tritium> gave, that is
[03:33] <herve> ha
[03:33] <herve> I tought you were doing mistakes using French grammar :-)
[03:33] <dholbach> tritium: i mean the lists (UniverseDoesNotBuild and UniversePriorityList) on the wiki - i manage to have main entries there as well, forget to remove things, ...
[03:33] <herve> (thought)
[03:34] <tritium> dholbach, it's okay :)
[03:34] <dholbach> herve: is this the only trouble i gave you? :-)
[03:34] <tritium> herve, did I use French grammar unknowingly?
[03:35] <herve> not really :-)
[03:35] <motaboy> herve: ok thanks!
[03:35] <dholbach> so: have fun with UniversePriorityList - i'll take a leaf out of doko's book and head out for a walk
[03:37] <herve> ++
[03:39] <herve> er... dholbach?
[03:39] <dholbach> herve: h?
[03:39] <dholbach> hm?
[03:39] <herve> it seems you have added packages from main
[03:39] <dholbach> yeah
[03:40] <dholbach> i know
[03:40] <herve> and there are xcfe packages, although they have their own list
[03:40] <dholbach> sorry for that
[03:40] <dholbach> if you have an idea how to fix it... i put the URLs of the scripts i used on the page
[03:41] <dholbach> and i didnt "add" them, i just didnt manage to remove them :-)
[03:41] <herve> I compared to the previous list :-)
[03:47] <motaboy> herve: so now I should create a debian/kdebluetooth.files and a debian/kdebluetooth-irmcsync.files reporting inside the files needed by the packages?
[03:48] <herve> yes
[03:48] <herve> now you have several binaries
[03:48] <motaboy> herve: or can I only define the debian/kdebluetooth-irmcsync.files and all the other will automaatically belong to kdebluetooth?
[03:48] <herve> you need to distinguish those kind of files
[03:48] <herve> hmm... I don't really now for that
[03:52] <herve> I'll try to clean the list
[04:04] <dholbach> bbl
[04:04] <tritium> see you dholbach
[04:05] <ogra> bye dholbach
[04:16] <jinty> hey, is there someone in here that can upload a patch for schoolbell for me?
[04:37] <crimsun> jinty: sure, got a url?
[04:37] <herve> grmf!
[04:38] <crimsun> darned Internet! ;)
[04:38] <herve> no, the laptop
[04:38] <herve> it gets easily at 60 C and hangs
[04:38] <crimsun> d'oh
[04:43] <encolpe> mmh
[04:43] <encolpe> natural born bad laptop, change laptop
[04:44] <herve> thanks the Dell Site Care :-/
[04:44] <encolpe> huh
[04:44] <encolpe> :(
[04:46] <encolpe> my dell laptop doesn't hang, it melts
[04:49] <tritium> my Dell power supply sure gets hot, and then decides to shut itself off, particularly when I'm powering the laptop and charing batteries at the same time
[04:50] <herve> nice :-)
[04:51] <herve> hmm... debian kernels use dpatch but don't use any 00list file
[04:52] <herve> I hope the patch I added will be applied
[05:03] <trulux> hey tritium
[05:04] <tritium> hey trulux
[05:04] <trulux> tritium: howdy?
[05:04] <tritium> trulux, hi
[05:08] <trulux> tritium: just a bit of confusion, heh
[05:08] <tritium> :)
[05:30] <jinty> hoi crimsun, sorry it took so long, the patch is for http://issues.schooltool.org/issue185 and is at http://issues.schooltool.org/file28/patch
[05:46] <\sh> happy easter to all :)
[05:46] <tritium> Happy Easter, \sh :)
[05:50] <herve> it was yesterday no? :-p
[05:51] <\sh> well...today is eastermonday ;)
[05:51] <\sh> so...if you forgot some eggs ;) please find it today ;)
[05:52] <herve> all eaten :-)
[05:52] <\sh> hehe...
[05:53] <\sh> installing 101MB deb packages now ;)
[06:17] <trulux> \sh: 170 here
[06:17] <trulux> :)
[06:17] <\sh> trulux,  :)
[06:29] <herve> hopla!
[06:35] <jani> hello all
[06:36] <herve> hello jani
[06:36] <dholbach> hey janc
[06:36] <dholbach> argl
[06:37] <dholbach> hello mr. jani monoses, how are you on this lovely day?
[06:37] <dholbach> ah... this is better
[06:37] <dholbach> :-)
[06:37] <jani> why thank you monsieur holbach I am fine
[06:37] <herve> dholbach, I'm removing the packages from main in the list
[06:37] <jani> I have to catch elmo, as usual :)
[06:38] <dholbach> i'm delighted to hear
[06:38] <jani> hmm he's idle for > 3days looks like it's not gonna happen today
[06:39] <herve> to be sure my algorithm is good
[06:39] <herve> can you confirm bind9 is in main?
[06:40] <dholbach> yop
[06:40] <herve> good
[06:40] <herve> and apache 1.3 is not considered to be dropped?
[06:41] <dholbach> don't think so
[06:50] <herve> muhahaha! on ubuntu-users
[06:50] <herve> "glxgears, an intensive opengl application"
[06:51] <dholbach> oh my... i wish they had more tangible worries
[06:52] <herve> nope, when you discover cpu and mem monitoring, anything worries you :-)
[06:52] <herve> hi thierry
[06:52] <thierry> hi herve
[06:52] <thierry> herve, I've just seen that gdesklets is still at version 0.33.1
[06:53] <thierry> I sent the changes to seb128 to make it to 0.34.1
[06:53] <thierry> any idea what happened?
[06:53] <herve> why do you ask me?
[06:54] <thierry> well because you were the first to talk to me and that seb128 is not here :P
[06:55] <herve> I don't know if I should feel honoured :-)
[06:56] <herve> hmm... another security hole fixed in webmin :-)
[06:56] <dholbach> was it removed? :-)
[06:57] <herve> users like it :-)
[06:58] <herve> wasn't pinball fixed?
[07:02] <herve> lamont, ping
[07:02] <herve> or anyone having power on the buildd
[07:03] <herve> we need to sort out those buildd issues!
[07:03] <herve> what's the status of importing those new xfce packages?
[07:04] <herve> dholbach, I suggest when we make a first run on the list
[07:04] <herve> to see what was caused by a buggy buildd
[07:04] <lamont> herve: sup?
[07:04] <herve> what was fixed by now
[07:04] <herve> what is serious
[07:05] <herve> lamont, can you search "buildd" on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList
[07:05] <herve> lamont, and tell us what's your diagnosis and remedy
[07:09] <lamont> snacc: snaccC, not buildd is segfaulting.  Does it in the non-test build as well.  Probable cause: sizeof(void*) != sizeof (int): binary not in archive
[07:11] <lamont> pidentd: built on all 4 architectures, hoary and hoary-test.  ppc log missing from main logs, but built/in archive.
[07:12] <herve> so issue closed?
[07:13] <lamont> a2ps: given back on ia64
[07:13] <jani> herve, we requested elmo to sync xfce, so it is pending I guess
[07:13] <herve> what given back means?
[07:14] <herve> ok jani, thanks
[07:14] <herve> lamont, a2ps also failed on ia64, but for an odd reason
[07:15] <lamont> a2ps given back on ppc too
[07:15] <lamont> given-back ==> requeued
[07:15] <lamont> pidentd is closed
[07:15] <lamont> snacc is preexisting issue in the package
[07:15] <lamont> a2ps is requeued on the architectures where it was dying
[07:17] <herve> are the build attempted as much as necessary or the number of tries is limited?
[07:19] <lamont> builds are tried once, then either succeed, auto-depwaited, or come to me for handling.
[07:20] <herve> okay
[07:20] <lamont> mpage given back on ppc, ia64
[07:20] <herve> ia64 need a kick?
[07:20] <lamont> proftpd is OK. (closed)
[07:21] <lamont> putty OK as well (closed)
[07:21] <lamont> udev needs a kick to the head..
[07:22] <lamont> anyway, entire list either fixed, explained (snacc - your issue...), or requeued
[07:22] <lamont> s/fixed/fixed already/
[07:22] <herve> yes, that's our current concern
[07:22] <herve> but when the build fails for obvious reason
[07:22] <herve> we need you
[07:23] <herve> thank you very much!
[07:23] <lamont> right.
[07:23] <lamont> np on having me check any of those
[07:24] <herve> I hope so :-)
[07:27] <dholbach> hrm, what's the problem with http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gnucash/1.8.9-4/
[07:27] <herve> hmm... gtkhtml3.0 seem to need a libhowl transition
[07:27] <dholbach> gtkhtml3.0 needs to be chucked out
[07:27] <herve> also :-)
[07:27] <dholbach> should transition the rdepending to gtkhtml3.6
[07:28] <dholbach> about gnucash: i get the same cracked up unmet-dependency messages, when i try to build it
[07:28] <lamont> dholbach: personal bet would be that the build-depends include one that depends: libreadline5-dev, and one that depends libreadline4-dev
[07:29] <dholbach> lamont:    apt-get -d build-dep gnucash    works at my place
[07:29] <lamont> whcih is to say, a series of apt-get -ud commands should reveal which package needs to have things fixed...
[07:29] <lamont> current hoary?
[07:29] <dholbach> yep
[07:29] <dholbach> lamont: had the same problem with multisync
[07:32] <lamont> libguppi-dev
[07:32] <lamont>   liborbit-dev libpaper1 libpopt-dev libreadline4-dev libwrap0-dev libxau-dev
[07:32] <lamont> guile-1.6-dev
[07:32] <lamont>   libreadline5 libreadline5-dev
[07:32] <lamont> in hoary test
[07:33] <herve> dholbach, so I transition gtkhtml3.0 or move it to the morgue?
[07:33] <dholbach> herve: there are still some packages depending on libgtkhtml3.0-bla
[07:34] <herve> what's what I meant by transitioning :-)
[07:34] <herve> hmm... there's maybe too much
[07:34] <lamont> dholbach: and also current hoary
[07:35] <lamont> so either guppi or guile-1.6 is out-of-date for you...
[07:35] <dholbach> lamont: very strange indeed
[07:35] <dholbach> herve: would begnomesword, encompass, mysql-query-browser
[07:35] <herve> yes, peacock too
[07:36] <herve> so libhowl transition?
[07:36] <dholbach> herve: you the first two, i the last two?
[07:36] <herve> so gtkhtml transition?
[07:36] <herve> :-)
[07:36] <dholbach> we need not list for those :-)
[07:37] <herve> just tell me what to do!
[07:37] <dholbach> herve: change build-dependencies to gtkhtml3.6 and see if it works for 1) gnomesword 2)  encompass
[07:37] <dholbach> :-)
[07:37] <herve> good!
[07:37] <herve> no thinking!
[07:37] <herve> like it!
[07:44] <herve> dholbach, checking for libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libgtkhtml-3.0 gal-2.0 libxml-2.0 sword... Package libgtkhtml-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[07:45] <herve> report from gnomesword
[07:46] <dholbach> change in configure.{ac,in} and add changes of autconf in a patch :-)
[07:46] <herve> nothing more?
[07:47] <dholbach> hoping that it works :-)
[07:47] <herve> I mean, some command to run :-)
[07:47] <dholbach> autoconf
[07:48] <herve> in the rules file?
[07:48] <dholbach> no, separatedly on your box
[07:48] <dholbach> and add its changes in a (d)patch
[07:48] <herve> got it!
[07:48] <dholbach> *ROCK*
[07:52] <dholbach> herve: same here :-)
[07:53] <herve> encompass too
[07:53] <herve> woogoo!
[07:53] <schweeb> dholbach: I added a morgue recommendation yesterday - user-mode-linux (talked with mdz about it)
[07:53] <herve> :-)
[07:54] <dholbach> haha
[07:54] <dholbach> schweeb: added it on wiki/MorgueCandidates too?
[07:54] <schweeb> yes
[07:54] <dholbach> schweeb: rock
[07:54] <dholbach> will write to elmo about it
[07:55] <schweeb> man, this sucks... 4 hours late for work :-/
[07:56] <siretart> hi folks :)
[07:57] <herve> hi siretart !
[07:57] <siretart> I'm trying to fix some Packagess from the priority list, namly gpm and mtr
[07:58] <herve> siretart, you're welcome :-)
[07:58] <siretart> but I fail to see any problems with those packages. how comes?
[07:58] <herve> siretart, gpm seem to miss from i386
[07:58] <herve> probably just needs a kick/sync
[07:59] <siretart> herve: but it is building fine in my pbuilder chroot!
[07:59] <siretart> hmm. just a new reupload?
[07:59] <herve> something like that
[07:59] <herve> about mtr
[07:59] <herve> latest is all successfull
[07:59] <herve> just remove it from the list
[07:59] <siretart> ok. both?
[08:00] <herve> no
[08:00] <herve> wait for gpm to hit all the archives
[08:00] <siretart> ok
[08:06] <herve> tseng, I added you blog entry about dpatch on wiki/PackagingTips
[08:10] <siretart> I'm looking now at vcdimager, it fails with error message CHARSET CONVERSION FAILED... I guess this is due to utf8
[08:11] <siretart> would It be acceptable to disable the testsuite? the package seems to build fine though.
[08:13] <siretart> it is disable when crosscompiling anyway.. hmm
[08:13] <herve> siretart, that's what unit tests are for :-)
[08:14] <siretart> herve: yeah, usually I would agree, but..
[08:14] <siretart> hmm.. ok, I try to fix the tests..
[08:15] <herve> okay I spoke too fast!
[08:15] <herve> my dpatch patch is not applied at all:!
[08:16] <herve> dumb me!
[08:16] <dholbach> herve: same here
[08:17] <herve> dholbach, vim debian/patches/00list
[08:17] <dholbach> i messed up the rules file instead :-)
[08:17] <herve> gulp!
[08:18] <siretart> gulp. vcdimager is using some kind of magic testsuite of automake..
[08:19] <herve> anything involving automake is magic to me :-)
[08:19] <herve> dholbach, hmm... I guess I need to add dpatch to the build depends...
[08:20] <dholbach> herve: ha... did that too, just my debian/rules doesnt work yet
[08:22] <siretart> ah, I think I found it..
[08:28] <herve> gaaaa!
[08:28] <herve> how do you make a dpatch patch applied at all?!
[08:29] <siretart> herve: I use the dpatch-edit-patch command
[08:29] <siretart> great tool :)
[08:30] <herve> sure!
[08:30] <herve> and listed my patch in debian/patches/00list
[08:30] <herve> and added the include into debian/rules
[08:30] <herve> but nothing happeds
[08:30] <herve> (happens)
[08:31] <herve> rock! my laptop got below 39 C!
[08:33] <herve> wow! you can add conditions in 00list
[08:33] <siretart> rock! vcdimager fixed! this was a rather tricky one :)
[08:33] <siretart> herve: you need to depend on target patch-stamp in target build in debian/rules. have you?
[08:34] <herve> argh
[08:34] <herve> tseng, you never said it ;-)
[08:34] <herve> thanks siretart, I'll find some example
[08:38] <herve> siretart, I followed the dpatch example and added patch-stamp to build-stamp
[08:38] <herve> and patch in the phony targets
[08:38] <herve> it's ok for you?
[08:44] <siretart> herve: shoud be ok, I think. be sure to read /usr/share/doc/dpatch/README.gz
[08:46] <dholbach> ha nice... mysql-query-browser requires 1) gtkhtml 2) gtkmm 3) python transition *ROCK*
[08:49] <herve> that's a big fish you caught ;-)
[08:51] <herve> there's progress
[08:51] <dholbach> herve: gladly the mandatory  package[outstanding_transitions] ==gcompris[outstanding_transitions]  -check didnt work
[08:51] <herve> my patch is unapplied but not applied :-)
[08:51] <herve> dholbach, which means?
[08:52] <dholbach> herve: i'm still looking at the package :-)
[08:52] <herve> got it!
[08:52] <herve> I patched after the configure
[08:53] <herve> whereas I was patching that #$*! configure :-()
[08:53] <herve> :-)
[08:53] <dholbach> woohoo
[08:53] <herve> you can tell it
[08:55] <herve> argh!
[08:56] <herve> gnomesword is incompatible with latest gtkhtml
[08:56] <dholbach> *argl*
[08:58] <dholbach> latest unstable 3.1.1
[09:03] <herve> you sure you want to get rid of gtkhtml3.0 ? ;-)
[09:04] <dholbach> herve: don't worry... just leave it :-)
[09:14] <dholbach> herve: the new version uses gtkhtml-3.0 still
[09:14] <herve> yep
[09:14] <herve> we're really not helped :-)
[09:15] <dholbach> ok... mysql-query-browser done
[09:17] <herve> so what have you done in the end?
[09:18] <dholbach> dpatched it
[09:18] <dholbach> want to have the debian/rules i used?
[09:19] <herve> I mean
[09:19] <herve> it compiled smoothly with gtkhtml3.6?
[09:20] <dholbach> fortunately, yes
[09:20] <herve> you lucky!
[09:21] <dholbach> forget it... take another one
[09:22] <herve> I don't quit so easily :()
[09:22] <herve> but I have a gtkhtml3.0 recompiled just in case!
[09:32] <jani> goodbye all
[09:41] <herve> now I quit!
[09:42] <herve> dholbach, are you interested in that gtkhtml3.0 recompiled without libhowl? ;-)
[09:42] <dholbach> poor herve :-/
[09:42] <dholbach> i ask seb :-)
[09:42] <herve> er... what do I say...
[09:42] <ogra> what do you say herve ?
[09:42] <herve> I'm not even sure why the build failed!
[09:43] <herve> ogra, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gtkhtml3.0/3.0.10-1/gtkhtml3.0_3.0.10-1_20050326-2023-ia64-failed
[09:43] <herve> what's your diagnosis
[09:44] <lamont> herve: one of the packages that it build-deps on still has libhowl.la mentioned somewhere in /usr/lib/lib*.la
[09:45] <herve> I knew rebuilding it wasn't enough...
[09:45] <ogra> yep, its libhowl
[09:45] <ogra> creating libgtkhtml-3.0.la
[09:45] <ogra> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libhowl.la: No such file or directory
[09:45] <ogra> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libhowl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[09:45] <herve> sure :-)
[09:45] <dholbach> grep howl /usr/lib/*.la
[09:46] <ogra> herve, grep
[09:47] <herve> /usr/lib/libgal-2.2.la:dependency_libs
[09:47] <herve> /usr/lib/libgal-a11y-2.2.la:dependency_libs
[09:48] <herve> I rebuild libgal2.2
[09:49] <lamont> herve: actually, it requires uploading a new gal2.2 to hoary
[09:49] <herve> lamont, how do know?
[09:50] <lamont> because libhowl was dropped through a carefully ordered uploading of packages, instead of adding versions to the build-depends
[09:51] <lamont> and ia64 appears to have lagged behind a bit
[09:51] <herve> Isee
[09:52] <herve> dholbach, woohoo! encompass doesn't bother me with gtkhtml's version!
[09:52] <dholbach> YES
[09:53] <ogra> were even
[09:53] <herve> ;-)
[09:55] <herve> config.log po/POTFILES
[09:55] <herve> those files are changed in my diff of encompass
[09:55] <herve> is it wrong?
[09:57] <lamont> ogra: the ia64 boxes in the data center are really dog-slow boxes... lowest pricepoint machines, etc
[09:57] <lamont> although bdale tells me there must be something wrong, since they should be much faster than they are
[09:58] <ogra> ah, ok....probably it scales heavily with the amount of CPUs....
[09:58] <\sh> hey ogra...
[09:59] <ogra> hi
[10:01] <herve> siretart, ping
[10:01] <\sh> ogra, why u told klaus that I'm doing now something for ubuntu ?? ,-)
[10:01] <siretart> herve: pong
[10:02] <herve> siretart, so you fixed vcdimager?
[10:02] <siretart> herve: yeah, it is building for me in my pbuilder
[10:02] <siretart> i uploaded it on my server..
[10:02] <ogra> \sh, why not, is it a secret ?
[10:02] <herve> siretart, because you have not moved it from "The list" to "Working on"
[10:02] <herve> and now "To review"
[10:02] <herve> :-p
[10:02] <\sh> ogra, he told me that last thursday in jamesons ;)
[10:03] <siretart> herve: oh. did I miss to press 'save'? hang on..
[10:03] <herve> don't press save then!
[10:03] <herve> dholbach, about that "Finally worked on all Buildds (all archs)" table
[10:03] <dholbach> lamont: i just saw that mdz assigned you #8316 - here is what i gave doko ages ago: http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/wxwindows2.4-debdiff
[10:03] <ogra> \sh, was it wrong ? should i keep it secret ? tell me if thats the case
[10:04] <herve> dholbach, let's just remove things that were already fixed to light the page
[10:04] <siretart> herve: well, UniversePriorityList looking fine now, or did I miss something?
[10:04] <dholbach> herve: yeah go ahead
[10:04] <\sh> ogra, no :) i was just suprised if he's making jokes with me that evening...i was a bit dizzy ;)
[10:04] <ogra> oh, ok
[10:05] <herve> siretart, okay, but just remove it from "The List" so that no one will pick it
[10:05] <herve> I'll do it
[10:05] <siretart> herve: thank you, next time I'll get it right ;)
[10:06] <jbailey> Are universe bugs supposed to go into malone now?
[10:06] <dholbach> jbailey: bradb wanted to spread the word, when the backend is ready (from what i know)
[10:07] <dholbach> doko: sorry, didnt want to blame you for anything - i typed it in a hurry
[10:07] <ogra> doko, an age >= 30min
[10:07] <jbailey> dholbach: 'k thanks.
[10:08] <herve> ogra, and how much in american seconds? ;-)
[10:09] <ogra> hehe, ask mako ;)
[10:10] <herve> someone having a powerpc?
[10:10] <jbailey> herve: I do.
[10:10] <herve> jbailey, could you try to (p)build usbview?
[10:10] <lamont> dholbach: confused by why I wound up with 8316... I can fix it sure, but it is universe, and all that...
[10:11] <ogra> hmm, why is it in bugzilla ?
[10:11] <lamont> must be used-to-was main, dunno
[10:12] <\sh> hmm?
[10:12] <lamont> dholbach: so, since you have a patch, and the power, you wanna just upload?
[10:12] <herve> jbailey, same thing for libapache-mod-ssl, a serait gnial :-)
[10:12] <dholbach> lamont: he must think you're the saviour :-)
[10:12] <jbailey> herve: Am I looking for the same problem with both?
[10:13] <herve> jbailey, the buildd failed, I'd like to test it elsewhere
[10:13] <herve> and with the current seed (?)
[10:13] <herve> ogra, I just love your temp applet!
[10:13] <dholbach> lamont: can't: it's a 4267426MB native package and my connection is too slow
[10:14] <herve> dholbach, you forgot a digit :-)
[10:14] <ogra> herve, if i have enough data about all the thermal implementations, i'll package it
[10:14] <lamont> we have no terabyte source packages
[10:14] <lamont> :-)
[10:14] <jbailey> herve: Feh.  usbview seems to want to update the buildenv at build time, and does so poorly.
[10:14] <ogra> lamont, ot yet...wait until apt-get.org gets in ;)
[10:14] <lamont> although OO.o is trying to get there, it seems...
[10:15] <dholbach> hahaha :_)
[10:15] <lamont> dholbach: grumble... ditto here.
[10:15] <jbailey> herve: In fact, the whole packaging is fubar, it's a GNU mode automake package without a ChangeLog, etc.
[10:15] <lamont> your debdiff is good, dholbach ?
[10:15] <jbailey> herve: I don't imagine how it would work on any arch.
[10:16] <dholbach> lamont: not really sure... i hoped someone would double check it... it's not really nice, since files that are in both (wx2.4 and wx2.5) are simply removed
[10:16] <herve> jbailey, argh!
[10:16] <tseng> herve: it was on planet
[10:16] <tseng> herve: but thanks.
[10:16] <herve> just leave it, libapache-mod-ssl it more important IMO
[10:17] <herve> tseng, planet? the TV channel? I don't watch it :-p
[10:17] <tseng> herve: er.. planet.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <herve> tseng, didn't know
[10:18] <ogra> herve, planet.hollywoord, dont you know the restaurant ;)
[10:18] <ogra> -r
[10:18] <jbailey> herve: After I reran autoreconf -f -i and fixed and added AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS=foreign to Makefile.am, it builds fine.
[10:18] <lamont> WTH needs 14MB of source.  sheesh
[10:19] <dholbach> lamont: and it takes AGES to compile
[10:19] <herve> ogra, :-p
[10:19] <herve> jbailey, usbview? you ROCK!
[10:19] <ogra> herve, :)
[10:20] <ogra> doesnt that need /proc/bus/usb ?
[10:20] <herve> dholbach, beware people will interpret it as half an hour :()
[10:20] <herve> ogra, the libusb I guess
[10:20] <jbailey> $ ls -ald /proc/bus/usb
[10:20] <jbailey> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 0 2005-03-28 08:57 /proc/bus/usb
[10:21] <jbailey> Oh, hmm.  I'm running on a fallback 2.6.8 kernel right now because a grub2 experiment went poorly yesterday.
[10:21] <dholbach> herve: then it took at least 4 ages
[10:21] <lamont> ETA 1:05:00
[10:21] <jbailey> If this build is dependant on kernel features, this might not be the best test.
[10:22] <herve> dholbach, it didn't even exist at the dinosaurs time!
[10:22] <dholbach> herve: hopefully not :-)
[10:22] <herve> jbailey, don't worry for the functional test, I just wanted to test the build
[10:24] <herve> hmm... what did we say about kernel-source-2.6.8 in our list...
[10:24] <dholbach> zul wanted to check those
[10:25] <herve> I mean, wo we leave it in our list?
[10:26] <jbailey> herve: libapache-mod-ssl builds fine here.
[10:26] <herve> jbailey, you just rock!
[10:26] <herve> good, lacheck was already fixed!
[10:26] <jbailey> herve: Eh?  I didn't do anything to that one. =)
[10:27] <herve> jbailey, you gave me time :-)
[10:28] <herve> jbailey, I guess you know better than me what to do with those changes in usbview?
[10:30] <herve> strange, usbview is in the archive for all archs
[10:32] <jbailey> herve: Up to date even...
[10:33] <herve> argh!
[10:33] <jbailey> Although,
[10:33] <jbailey> Oh I see why I trigger the AM bug.
[10:33] <herve> I think I'm confused between the archive and rebuilding universe
[10:33] <jbailey> It wouldn't trigger if the person doesn't have automake installed.
[10:34] <ogra> hey guys pe7er would like to help with some easy tasks, could someone lead him a bit ?
[10:34] <pe7er> :)
[10:35] <herve> lamont, I'm still not confident with the log
[10:35] <herve> lamont, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gtkam/0.1.12-2.1/
[10:35] <herve> lamont, how to say lincity is fixed or not on powerpc?
[10:35] <dholbach> hello pe7er :-)
[10:35] <herve> s/lincity/gtkam
[10:35] <herve> but the same applies :-)
[10:35] <herve> hi pe7er
[10:36] <pe7er> please play easy on me, i'm not a coder by any means.
[10:36] <pe7er> hi
[10:37] <pe7er> (so i'm afraid of wasting your time, but if you have something i can do i'll gladly help)
[10:37] <herve> pe7er, you're welcome and we're here to help too, so don't worry
[10:37] <dholbach> pe7er: i'm glad you show up here, nice of you, you want to help out
[10:37] <schweeb> pe7er: lookin to fix some packages I take it?
[10:38] <herve> hi Burgundavia
[10:39] <dholbach> pe7er: at the moment our biggest target are packages that fail to build, some cases are easy since they just require different build-dependencies, if you're brave look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePriorityList :-)
[10:39] <schweeb> pe7er: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList check out that list for a package you're interested in helping with
[10:39] <dholbach> pe7er: if you run into any trouble, just holler :-)
[10:39] <schweeb> damn, beaten by dholbach by a millisecond
[10:40] <schweeb> build logs for the packages are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/
[10:40] <dholbach> pe7er: you might find installing pbuilder helpful (it takes care of a completely separated build process and shows up most common errors) -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[10:40] <tseng> hi dholbach
[10:40] <tseng> how goes
[10:40] <dholbach> hey tseng
[10:41] <ogra> tseng, busy like bees all around ..... 24h to RC
[10:41] <lamont> herve: universe/graphics/gtkam_0.1.12-2.1: Needs-Build [extra:uncompiled] 
[10:41] <dholbach> tseng: reviewing kdebluetooth, looking at peacock, kicked off the apt-get.org thread
[10:41] <tseng> hm
[10:41] <herve> lamont, where do you read that :-)
[10:41] <lamont> buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary-test.all.powerpc
[10:42] <ogra> *****yeah, again, please everybody reply to this thread on ubuntu-devel@ we need as many opinions as possible ****
[10:42] <ogra> (apt-get.org that is)
[10:42] <pe7er> great. i'll take a look and see what i can do. besides someone brought to my attention that there is a problem with the current wx2.5-headers package (not only in hoary but in debian also), see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294998, recent amule will fail to build because of that (and i guess it will be a popular package).
[10:42] <Burgundavia> herve: salut
[10:43] <herve> lamont, and this means it's on the queue for another try?
[10:44] <lamont> yes
[10:44] <lamont> Needs-Build -> Building -> {Failed, Dep-Wait, Uploaded -> Installed}
[10:44] <lamont> with the understanding that Building-> Failed is a lamont-step
[10:45] <herve> I just can't wait :-)
[10:45] <dholbach> pe7er: not sure if that is one of the easy cases
[10:45] <dholbach> pe7er: just talked to lamont about it
[10:45] <dholbach> pe7er: you set up the pbuilder already?
[10:46] <herve> could someone please review and upload siretart's vcdimager?
[10:46] <dholbach> herve: yeah
[10:46] <crimsun> pe7er: wait, wha?
[10:46] <pe7er> dholbach, i am on it and yes, i've been already told its not a trivial case. i don't think i could do that
[10:46] <crimsun> what's wrong with wxwidgets2.5.3?
[10:47] <crimsun> err, s/.3//
[10:47] <lamont> crimsun: #8163
[10:47] <herve> crimsun, it's wxwidgets, that is :-)
[10:48] <dholbach> pe7er: sure: go ahead :-)
[10:49] <crimsun> what the
[10:49] <siretart> stats for today: installed girlfriends notebook with hoary, probably fixed 1 package :)
[10:49] <siretart> gotta go, cu folks!
[10:49] <herve> bye siretart
[10:49] <herve> thank for you work!
[10:50] <dholbach> crimsun: some files (those on mentioned here: http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/wxwindows2.4-debdiff) conflict in 2.4 and 2.5
[10:50] <herve> good... I broke the wiki page :-)
[10:50] <crimsun> dholbach: yes, but I didn't muck with those because the Debian maintainer says there's a coming solution
[10:50] <crimsun> I'm really hoping Ron packages 2.5.5 with a fixed archive.h
[10:51] <ogra> crimsun the next 6 days ?
[10:51] <crimsun> ogra: highly doubtful, which is why I did all that cruft :)
[10:51] <ogra> heh
[10:51] <ogra> k
[10:51] <crimsun> looks like I need to push archive.h in, though
[10:53] <dholbach> herve: i think it's next goal after "don't save everything in ONE blob" :-)
[10:53] <herve> dholbach, do we really need that xfce list on that page?
[10:54] <dholbach> herve: chuck it off, crimsun and jani know what they're doing
[10:54] <herve> hmm... a three-way merge :-)
[10:54] <herve> dholbach, I just wanted to move it :-)
[10:54] <crimsun> speaking fo XFce, waiting on elmo; he's understandably busy
[10:54] <crimsun> of^
[10:55] <dholbach> crimsun: what about manually uploading those? how many source packages have you got?
[10:56] <dholbach> crimsun: would still require elmo's NEW approval
[10:56] <dholbach> phone
[10:57] <Vollstrecker> crimsun or dholbach: Have you modified the rules file of wx?
[11:00] <herve> good night all!
[11:01] <ogra> night herve
[11:01] <tseng> uh
[11:01] <schweeb> gotta love netsplits
[11:01] <herve> (fixing a last package...)
[11:01] <crimsun> what the
[11:02] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: netsplit
[11:02] <crimsun> I think I pinged out completely, though
[11:02] <ogra> herve, youre addicted ?
[11:02] <herve> ogra, can't stop... gaaaa...
[11:02] <ogra> heh
[11:02] <lamont> crimsun: rather, 8316
[11:02] <herve> ++
[11:02] <ogra> herve, go to the anonymous packagers :=)
[11:03] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: Have you modified the rules file of wx?
[11:03] <crimsun> lamont: right, that's what I read in BTS
[11:04] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: yes, I added an explicit invocation to autoconf
[11:04] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: Debian #285186
[11:04] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: I'm working on the archive.h bug of the debian pkg.
[11:05] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: ok, great.
[11:05] <Vollstrecker> I was the one that told pe7er to tell you
[11:05] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: thanks, appreciate the heads-up
[11:06] <Vollstrecker> I'm just compiling
[11:06] <ogra> Vollstrecker, if its solved before the 5th it could go in the release
[11:06] <Vollstrecker> But I think you won't get a working diff if you modified that file.
[11:06] <crimsun> is archive.h the only missing header?
[11:06] <Vollstrecker> ogra: I want to fix it this night
[11:07] <Vollstrecker> Afaik yes.
[11:07] <ogra> yeah
[11:07] <crimsun> can we made explicitly certain it is?
[11:08] <crimsun> that way it would be sufficient just to pull archive from upstream cvs's tag
[11:08] <crimsun> archive.h, rather
[11:08] <Vollstrecker> It is in the source package. The dir were it is in is copied, I don't know why it ins't copied, too.
[11:18] <crimsun> ok, it'd be line 707 of ubuntu's wxwidgets2.5's debian/rules
[11:18] <crimsun> now to figure out why archive.h doesn't land in $(objdir_msw_install)/include/wx-$(release)/wx
[11:20] <Vollstrecker> Because msw isn't built. You mean objdir_gtk_shared
[11:21] <tseng> ogra: sent.
[11:21] <ogra> yeah, great
[11:22] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: aha
[11:22] <Vollstrecker> install-gtk-shared-stamp: build-gtk-shared-stamp build-gtk-shared-contrib-stamp
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          dh_testdir
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          mkdir -p $(objdir_gtk_install)
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          cd $(objdir_gtk_shared) \
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>                  && $(MAKE) install prefix=`pwd`/../$(objdir_gtk_install)
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          cd $(objdir_gtk_shared)/contrib/src \
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>                  && $(MAKE) install prefix=`pwd`/../../../$(objdir_gtk_install)
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          touch $@
[11:22] <Vollstrecker> That's the place to look for
[11:23] <crimsun> oh d'oh, I didn't read the previous line in the build log
[11:23] <crimsun> says objs_gtk_sh right there, sigh
[11:24] <Vollstrecker> I think that's the place. I'm just testing this place, but it takes long, till build process is there
[11:24] <ogra> yeah, wx is a pita to build
[11:25] <ogra> at least you have lots of spare time....
[11:26] <Vollstrecker> jep, and I'm afraid of starting it another time after it works, like I want.
[11:32] <ogra> tseng, are you sure the first letter of the pre last word wasnt a typo ? ;)
[11:33] <tseng> ogra: s:g:r:g ?
[11:33] <tseng> quite possibly.
[11:34] <ogra> lol
[11:34] <tseng> the emial might be a little strong
[11:34] <tseng> i tend to do that.
[11:34] <Seveas> ogra, on my system hwdb-client gives pythin errors after the sound test, is this known?
[11:35] <ogra> Seveas, oh, no.....that shouldnt happen, can you send me the error ?
[11:35] <Seveas> ogra sure
[11:36] <Seveas> pm or e-mail?
[11:36] <Seveas> it's quite short
[11:36] <ogra> as you like....
[11:36] <Seveas> i'll pm you
[11:36] <ogra> so pm
[11:37] <dholbach> ok, back again
[11:37] <tseng> wb
[11:37] <dholbach> now i'll look at the vcdimager
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ogra: I am getting an error with hwdb-gui with xrandr (probably due to the flgrx drivers)
[11:40] <ogra> GAH...
[11:40] <Seveas> Burgundavia lol :)
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ogra: should I file a malone bug so as you have something to track?
[11:40] <ogra> Burgundavia, you tried it before, right ?
[11:40] <ogra> iirc
[11:41] <Burgundavia> it worked before I changed to ati drivers
[11:41] <ogra> aha
[11:41] <Burgundavia> and it worked until it tried to collect the data
[11:41] <ogra> ok....
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I can test without the ati drivers to see if that is the issue?
[11:41] <ogra> strange, seems like the fglrx driver is borked then
[11:42] <dholbach> siretart: uploading vcdimager
[11:42] <Burgundavia> flgrx and xrandr don't like each other
[11:42] <ogra> Burgundavia, that would be helpful
[11:42] <Burgundavia> never had
[11:42] <Burgundavia> s/had/have
[11:42] <ogra> ah, i didnt know that, daniels gave me the advice to use xrandr
[11:42] <Seveas> ogra I will try it too
[11:42] <ogra> Seveas, no need, according to Burgundavia i'll have to change my code then
[11:42] <Seveas> brb
[11:43] <Seveas> ow ok
[11:43] <Burgundavia> xrandr error happend with xfree86 too
[11:43] <ogra> Burgundavia, thats not an issue for me....
[11:43] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:43] <ogra> but fglrx is
[11:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:43] <Burgundavia> flgrx is crap
[11:43] <ogra> a serious one...
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I wish I bought nvidia
[11:43] <Burgundavia> but I was being patriotic (being canadian)
[11:44] <tseng> do the ati driver not work for you?
[11:44] <tseng> oss
[11:44] <tseng> they suit my needs well enough.
[11:44] <Burgundavia> it does, but no 3d
[11:44] <Burgundavia> they work very well, but I play tuxracer and quake3 about once a week
[11:44] <tseng> ive played quake3 with the oss drivers
[11:45] <Burgundavia> I like my 90fps
[11:45] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: hum, arrimpl.cpp probably shouldn't exist in the -headers package(s), either
[11:45] <Burgundavia> poor ogra
[11:45] <Vollstrecker> Never noticed this file.
[11:46] <ogra> Burgundavia, i'll sort it, no worries...will just make my night a little longer ;)
[11:46] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: yeah, there are three .cpp files in include/wx/
[11:47] <Burgundavia> ogra: is that something that is a release goal for hoary?
[11:48] <Vollstrecker> Jep, I see. Maybe I should ask Ron, if this is expectet
[11:49] <tseng> i just played tuxracer np
[11:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, it has to be ready tomorrow 22:30 UTC
[11:49] <Seveas> oof
[11:49] <Seveas> well, i'll test as soon as you have the new version then
[11:50] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: There are several .bmp's too.
[11:55] <Burgundavia> ogra: eep
[11:56] <ogra> Burgundavia, its ok, i really love to program until the sun rises.... (not kidding)
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ogra: sorry about not reporting it earlier
[11:57] <ogra> Burgundavia, not your fault, i blame daniels for that advice if its a known problem...
[11:58] <ogra> (never owned an ati card in my whole life)
[11:58] <Burgundavia> http://noxa.de/~sbeyer/debian/packages/ <--- this is listed as dead on aptget.org wiki page, but is live
[11:58] <Burgundavia> however, I don't know where it should be filed
[11:59] <dholbach> lamont: is it considered to be ok to chuck build problems (just) on ia64 (like http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/c/catdoc/0.93.4-1/) off the list?