Seveasjaslor_MHz, if he can do that, there is no problem12:00
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kakaltowhat's an alternative archive manager?12:00
DavidSagi didnt try applying this command :-().. ( as i said i'm a poor linux novice, sorry)12:00
Seveaskakalto, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic12:00
dabugasXappe: bullshit.12:00
Sionideokie, how do i increase the filesystem size for ubuntu?12:00
tritiumells, try lspci -vv, and look for your video card info12:01
SeveasDavidSag, then open a terminal and type ifconfig eth0 :)12:01
Seveasit's just a diagnostic command12:01
ellstritium: cool, thanks12:01
smurfixDavidSag: and/or type "ifconfig -a" and tell us if "eth0" shows up there12:01
Xappedabugas: no luck?12:01
kakaltoSeveas, I mean like *.rar, zip, tar, etc.12:01
tritiumells, that'll be some really verbose information.  Hopefully it'll include your video memory info12:01
Seveaskakalto, o sorry :)12:01
dabugasXappe: no luck at all :(12:01
Sionidei partioned the drive, to have one for win and one for unbuntu, but i decided against installing windows, i got rid of the partition but the filesystem is still half the size of the disk, anyone know??12:01
black_nightmarekakalto..I know that tar's already can be handled in terminal12:01
Seveasfor zip: unzip12:01
kakaltos' alright12:01
DavidSagi tried the GUI device managed, and i added an ethernet card, but it didnt allow me to active it12:01
Seveasfor tar: tar12:01
kakaltopreferably visual12:02
Seveasfor rar: apt-get install unrar-nonfree12:02
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Seveaskakalto, file-roller12:02
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dabugasXappe: how does nautilus know which drives to show?12:02
SeveasDavidSag, that's why you need to perform these commands in a terminal, that means we can find out what the problem is12:02
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kakaltoSeveas, file-roller comes with ubuntu, and it crashes when opening an archive with a CSS file in it12:02
Seveaskakalto, that's odd12:02
Sionidereason is, i cant install any updates because i've filled up the ubuntu partition, oops!12:03
Xappedabugas, it should show things mounted in /media12:03
Seveascan you e-mail me that file for testing12:03
kakaltoSeveas, it seems to be a gnome problem12:03
DavidSagok, gr8 i'll get back to you, thankx !!12:03
dabugasthe ones that are shown are my cdrom & floppy which are cdrom0 and floppy0 which link back to cdrom and floppy12:03
dabugasXappe: my windows drive is in media :(12:03
PecKSeveas, after installing it with alien, got this msg when trying to run it "apradar: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory12:03
geneo91Sionide:  apt-get clean12:03
smurfixSionide: How big are the partitions?12:03
Sionide3gig each i think12:03
kakaltoSeveas, nautilus crashes when you enter a directory with a css file in it, and gedit crashes when you try to open a css file :(12:03
jaslor_MHzDavidSag : Terminal is in Applications menu --> SystemTools - at the bottom12:04
oris_wolfbanegtg bye12:04
PecKlol this is awesome, what a mess :))12:04
Xappedabugas: so are my mounted partitions, and they do not show up in Places either12:04
smurfixSionide: It's far easier to just reformat the windoze partition as ext3 and copy /home or /usr onto it12:04
Seveaspeck, apt-get install libgtkmm12:04
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PecKSeveas, thx ;)12:04
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beaniebabyhey everyone, i have a prob. When I try installing the driver for my SpeedTouch USB modem, i get this: no acceptable C compiler found in $path.12:04
Seveasmight be called libgtkmm2.0-1c102 peck12:05
dabugasXappe: daaaamn :(12:05
smurfixSionide: otherwise if the Linux partition isn't directly in front of the windoze partition you'll have to move data, which is ugly12:05
PecK:) thx there again Seveas12:05
Xappewell, work tomorrow. have to get some sleep... goodnight all12:05
Seveasbeaniebaby, apt-get install build-essential12:05
kakaltois winrar any good under linux?12:05
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smurfixSionide: resizing a partiton is possible, apt-get install ext2resize12:05
Seveaskakalto, there is unrar-nonfree for un-rarring files12:05
beaniebabyseveas, help lol, im a beginner12:05
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Di42lo`How can i change the all system language on gnome ?12:05
Seveasmaybe winrar works with wine, have not tested it12:05
smurfixSionide: but for that to succeed you already need the large partition with a smaller filesystem :-/12:06
Sionideit directly infront of it12:06
kakaltoSeveas, I'd preferably like everything in one big package :)12:06
segfault'nautilus applications:///Internet' isn't working here. any ideas why?12:06
dabugasgoodnight, Xappe12:06
Sionidei can't do apt-get at the moment..12:06
Seveasbeaniebaby, open a root terminal (applications -> system tools -> root terminal) and type apt-get install build-essential12:06
smurfixSionide: so hda1 is linux root and hda2 is windows?12:06
beaniebabyokies, will be back..12:06
smurfixSionide: (or something like that)12:06
Sionidehda2 is nothing now12:06
Sionidecos i never installed win12:06
Seveaskakalto, except for rar, everything can be handled by file-roller12:06
Seveasi want to help you resolve that bug, can you e-mail me the file that gives you errors12:07
kakaltoSeveas, except when the archive has a Cascading Style Sheet :(12:07
dabugassegfault: menu editing is broken, use the menu-editor12:07
smurfixSionide: OK, so "sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/arch*/*.deb"12:07
Seveassee my last line kakalto  :)12:07
smurfixSionide: then install ext2resize12:07
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kakaltoSeveas, go on the ubuntuforums.org, into warty ubuntu other stuff support12:07
kakaltoI made a topic there12:08
Seveaskakalto, i don't like forums, sorry12:08
smurfixSionide: then fdisk /dev/hda, delete hda1 and hda2, make a new big hda112:08
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dabugassegfault: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/12:08
smurfixSionide: then reboot with init=/bin/bash, use ext2resize, reboot again normally12:08
segfaultdabugas: thanks.12:08
smurfixSionide: *no*warranty*whatsoever* that this works OK (though it should ;-)12:08
smurfixSionide: don't forget to set the bootable flag on hda112:09
kakaltoSeveas, go to #flood and I'll post what I wrote on the forums :)12:09
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dabugassegfault: cheers. i've been banging my head against the wall all weekend with nautilus' menu editing capabilities ;)12:09
Sionidei might just wait till hoary is released and reinstall... save a lot of trouble!!12:09
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magpiehello all12:09
smurfixSionide: you can install the prerelease now ;-)  it's rather stable already IMHO, but your choice12:09
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Sionidei have already12:10
Sionidethats why i was gonna dual-boot with win12:10
magpiei'm looking for the solution to the debootstrap problem...any ideas?12:10
segfaultdabugas: heh, i was about to do that!12:10
Sionidebut never did in the end12:10
magpiei've used official ubuntu cd and my own, which i successfully used several months ago...same machine12:10
PecKSeveas, all OK, thank you so much :)12:10
PecKBig cheers to all you guys.12:11
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dabugassegfault: i was on wart and i've been (slowly) updating to hoary just for the fscking menu editing12:11
magpiewhat i'm saying is that i can't install it...12:11
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Sionidesmurfix, thanks for your help12:11
Seveaskakalto, can you give the location of the tarfile?12:11
segfaultthe weird thing is that i'm using hoary right now.12:12
Sionideext2resize isnt wanting to install12:12
magpiei've seen some postings about it in the forum but no solution12:12
segfaultand applications:/// isn't working12:12
Sionideit says it has no installation candidate or something12:12
kakaltoSeveas, it's on oswd... I'll just find it12:12
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dampjamHow do I get vlc to work with alsa instead of oss.  I already installed vlc-modules-alsa12:13
smurfixSionide: "sudo apt-get install ext2resize", works here12:13
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Sionideprobably my proxy connection to the net?12:13
dampjameverytime I try to play a dvd it says it cannot open oss /dev/dsp12:13
kakaltoSeveas, http://www.oswd.org/download.phtml/blueheaven.zip?id=1895 (and it's not tar)12:13
Sionidemucks everything up...12:13
dabugassegfault: ignore that, mate. just use the app i showed you. nautilus is somewhat broken12:13
smurfixSionide: do you have universe enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list?12:13
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smurfixSionide: (+apt-get update after that)12:13
Seveaskakalto, opens fine with file-roller here12:14
Seveasalso, gedit gives no problems with the css file12:14
Roeycrimsun: you here?12:14
StR34kHere is a Sound Juicer question if you please.12:14
randabisapplications:/// does not work in Hoary because the menu specification changed12:15
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eruinwhat audiosink do you guys use?12:15
StR34kI've gotten an error when trying to start it ->  Reason: The plugin necessary for CD access was not found.12:16
StR34kany ideas?12:16
PecKsu doesn't work with ubuntu right, only sudo ?12:16
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SeveasPecK, correct12:16
PecK;) Seveas12:17
cronhi all, I have a problem with the warty installer: it's not seeing the partitions on my hd correctly. Is this a known problem? (with known fix?)12:17
Seveasbut you can set it up yourself :)12:17
StR34kyou can su, but you have to use sudo to change the root password.12:17
PecK:) i'm learning, will do12:17
Seveascron, describe "not correctly"12:17
Seveasand descrive your disk layout12:17
randabiseruin, ALSA, but I have a creative audigy...I think it's using polypaudio in gnome, but I've been using kubuntu the past few days12:17
gratuitI can su just fine12:17
Seveasgratuit, as root12:17
cronclaims there's a single fat16 partition, when there's actually nine, of various types12:17
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eruinrandabis: yeah... I've only had problems with sound after polypaudio12:17
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dabugasrandabis: applications:/// didn't in work in warty, either. from what i picked up, the gnome-menu was broken in relation with nautilus12:17
Seveaswhat type of disk?12:18
cronswitching console and doing fdisk -l shows the partitions correctly. ide disk.12:18
Seveasdabugas, wrong12:18
randabisdabugas, it worked just fine for me when I was using warty12:18
Seveasdabugas, the menu specification changed in gnome 2.1012:18
Sionidesmurfix thanks a lot - i'll have to try again tomorrow..12:18
Seveasthey now use the freedesktop.org standard12:18
cronthere's just a single ide disk in the machine, nothing fancy...12:18
bluefoxicyif you upgrade ubuntu to hoary from warty12:18
Sionideoff to bed ;)12:18
bluefoxicyit makes gnome have a new log-in screen12:18
bluefoxicyhow do you configure that12:18
Seveascron, i think you should file a bug report aboute the installer12:18
PecKNow, big one. Am using a compaq evo n400c with docking station. when i hot-unplug the dockstation, the system freezes... is there anything i can configure so it won't?12:19
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halis hoary really that much better?12:19
Seveasit is known that it fails sometimes, but (detailed) reports are needed to correct it12:19
Seveashal, imho yes12:19
hali just got warty, and im still learning...12:19
cronokay... any specific info that would be useful to include? dump of my partition table, I guess.12:19
kakaltoSeveas, then should I just update my stuff?12:19
Seveascron, indeed12:19
Seveasand the output from the installer about the partitions12:19
halok  what makes hoary that much better12:20
Seveaskakalto, might be a good action12:20
Seveashal, amongst others: gnome 2.1012:20
gratuithmm, my Desktop doesn't seem to be updating, shouldn't any files in ~/Desktop appear on the desktop?12:20
cronspeaking of installer bugs... here's another: it hangs trying to detect keyboards when my usb joystick is plugged in.12:20
randabisbluefoxicy, there is a login screen setup thing in system --> administration I believe12:20
Seveasand acpi improvements12:20
dabugasSeveas & randabis: i just switched to ubuntu a week ago, so i'm not an all divining god: but i've been slowly updating my system to hoary just for the menu configuration. it was just downright fucked, both with nautilus and if i wa editing the files directly12:20
bluefoxicyrandabis: no12:20
funkyW: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90712:20
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bluefoxicyrandabis: that's gdm12:20
Seveascron, file it too, send the specs of your keyboard & joystick with it12:20
funkyanyone can tell me how to solve this ?12:20
randabisbluefoxicy, you did say login screen12:21
cronSeveas, will do.12:21
segfaultwill hoary come with hal 0.5?12:21
funkyim trying to add some debian sources12:21
bluefoxicyrandabis:  I said gnome though12:21
bluefoxicynot gdm12:21
bluefoxicyone more in12:21
randabisbluefoxicy, gnome's login screen is gdm12:21
randabisyou mean the splash screen I think12:21
bluefoxicyoh god12:21
Seveasfunky hold on12:21
bluefoxicyI want to make my own12:21
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randabisthere is a tool to change the splash screen in System somewhere I believe12:22
funkySeveas: ok12:22
randabisI'm not in gnome atm so I can't locate it12:22
bluefoxicyrandabis: where12:22
randabissee above12:22
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bluefoxicyI don't see it :/12:23
dabugasgoodnight everyone12:23
Seveasfunky: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 > /tmp/marillat-key | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/012:23
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eruinOSS as gnomes multimediasystem kills rhythmbox12:24
eruinand nothing else works :/12:24
kakalto_xfce just removed my main bar!12:24
PecKwell, Seveas, thanks so much. cheers to u all12:25
funkySeveas: thanks, i added to my tips-list12:25
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bluefoxicy<Seveas> funky: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 > /tmp/marillat-key | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/012:25
veristeadi got a deep philospofical question12:26
Seveasyes bluefoxicy?12:26
Seveasveristead, tell us :)12:26
bluefoxicygpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | tee /tmp/marillat-key | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/012:26
veristeadhow would one <such as myself> disable eth1 in the command prompt?12:26
veristeador is there a graphical way of doing it12:26
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Seveasbluefoxicy, you;re right12:26
veristead<eth1 being my wireless interface>12:26
Seveasit's an error12:26
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funkyi dont understand the last step12:27
bluefoxicyyeah, I'd think > | would either a) not work, or b) cause 0 to be stdin12:27
Seveasfunky: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/012:27
funkyapt-key add /proc/self/fd/0?12:27
bluefoxicySeveas:  tee writes to file and stdout both :)12:27
Seveasbluefoxicy, you dont need the file12:27
Seveasi did that before12:27
bluefoxicyjust wondering12:28
Seveasso the command was a bit messed up :)12:28
jaslor_MHzwhat is gtk+-2.0 and how can I get it ( I'm make ing that includes )12:28
veristeadanyone know???12:28
veristeadhow do i turn off my wireless card/12:28
Seveassudo ifdown eth112:28
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randabisveristead, there's that way, and you can also comment it out in /etc/network/interfaces12:28
veristeadand to bring it back?12:29
randabissudo ifup eth112:29
Seveassudo ifup eth112:29
veristeadsudo ifup12:29
veristeadthat's what i thought12:29
funkySeveas: the apt-key add it will be better in /etc/apt/ ?12:29
fireglowarent wlan devices called wlanX ?12:29
pvocesup all12:29
Seveasfunky, apt-key will store the key for you12:30
Seveasbut make sure you use the latter version of my command :)12:30
funkythen, why i need to add the /proc/self/fd/0 ?12:30
funkyyes, the latter, i know12:30
Seveasfunky, because apt-key wants to read it from a file12:30
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funky /dev/pts/112:31
Seveasand /proc/self/fd/0 is a fake file that represents standard input12:31
veristeadrandabis: would that prevent it on startup from starting12:31
veristeadby commenting out interfaces?12:31
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Seveasveristead, no12:31
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Seveasthat would prevent it from being used at all12:31
veristeadthen to bring it back uncomment it/12:31
Seveasto prevent it from being used at starup, just comment out the line "auto eth1"12:32
veristeadwait you heard that12:32
veristeadmy card was off12:32
veristeadhow was i connected still12:32
veristeadwait a minute?12:32
veristeadi am confused12:32
StR34kveristead, magic :)12:32
veristeadare you a ghost in my computer?12:32
Jesteraceheh i've turned off my cable modem and i was still connected magically12:32
Seveasit's a kind of magic :)12:32
Seveasveristead, we are all LISA and DOCTOR programs :)12:33
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dampjamwhenever vlc tries to play dvds I get the line "Cannot obtain info fr CTL elem(MIXER,IEC958Playback Default',0,0,0): No such file or directory.  And sound does not work.12:33
SeveasELIZA that is12:33
veristeadwhat kind of magic are we discussing here12:33
pvoceshall we play a game?:))12:33
randabispixie dust12:33
veristeadwait is doctor installed via emacs?12:33
veristeadon this12:33
veristeadi gotta check12:33
vmrochai'm using hoary, the sound is not working, but if i play a cd using the cd player, the sounds starts to work in other apps, when i turn off the music, the sound stops to work on other apps... does anyone can help me? help!12:34
pvocenopers..Im happy..I FINALLY got nvidia drivers to work:)12:34
pvocevmrocha: which desktop and sound engine are you using?12:34
vmrochagnome, alsa12:35
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pvocevmroacha: try Esound12:35
vmrochaesound? whats that?12:35
randabisesound is deprecated :p12:36
pvoceIts the sound engine for Enlightenment, but works well in gnome...ximian used it as a default12:36
randabiswell, for gnome anyway12:36
veristeadhey guys who wants a very therapist lesson?12:36
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pvocethey depricaed i?  When???12:36
jaslor_MHzhow do I install the GIMP toolkit libraries, what are they called ?12:36
randabispvoce, it uses polypaudio now12:37
pvocejaslor_MHz: libgtk12:37
veristeadgo to a command window and type in 'emacs' then when it lauches hit 'esc' then type 'x' then type doctor12:37
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pvocerandabis: I quit using gnome when ximian went straight SuSE and Novell...havent kept up much at all12:38
vmrochahow can i change from alsa to esound? (esound is installed)12:39
randabispvoce, I see, I'm back to kde myself since the 3.4 release..it's on an entirely new level of coolness12:39
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randabisI still have gnome, but I haven't used it since I installed kubuntu-desktop :p12:40
pvocerandabis: I as well...especially here, not to mention that gnome community seems a bit disorganized lately...still some good apps though12:41
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WeirdAlDoes anyone who's turned up recently know how to configure the flash player to use ALSA?12:41
pvoceWeirdAl: flash in your browser?12:42
WeirdAlplugin, sorry. Yeah.12:42
pvoceWeirdAl: Gnome or KDE?12:42
randabisvmrocha, there's a multimedia device selector thing in system --> administration that lets you change it iirc12:42
WeirdAldon't mention esd :-p12:42
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Roey? Shot through the heart... ?12:42
pvocelol...I wont...I understand its been depricated:))12:43
vmrocharandabis, do i have to restart system for it to work after?12:43
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Roeypvoce: *it's12:43
WeirdAlesd's been deprecated?12:43
WeirdAlor alsa?12:43
randabisvmrocha not sure...maybe just logout and log in12:43
randabisWeirdAl, esd...polypaudio is a dropin replacement for it12:43
pvoceWeirdAl: esd12:43
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WeirdAlThat's good, because it sucks.12:43
WeirdAlSo how do I get the Flash plugin to use alsa? Currently I have no sound from Flash.12:44
pvoceI just use the aRts in KDE myself12:44
randabisyeah polypaudio is better from what I've heard12:44
randabisI'm using straight alsa, no sound server12:44
WeirdAlAlsa seems to be the only one that's in synch with everything I do.12:44
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WeirdAlbut um ... Flash doesn't use it, apparently.12:45
WeirdAlIt seems to have its own ideas.12:45
theantixWeirdAl: it's hardwired IIRC12:45
WeirdAlI don't know what it is using though12:45
pvoceWeirdAl: FF is your browser, correct?12:45
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vmrocharandabis, thx12:45
theantixWeirdAl: I've heard that it's "accesses the hardware directly", not sure if that means OSS or something else12:45
pvoceWA: do you get the same results with different browser and/or desktop?12:46
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WeirdAlI haven't tried.12:46
WeirdAlI wouldn't know how :-\12:46
WeirdAlOh, maybe I can load KDA12:46
WeirdAljust a se12:46
pvoceWA: That will at least pare it down as to which app or plugin is not configured for sound12:46
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WeirdAlI don't have KDE installed to try that :-\12:47
WeirdAlOr any other browser...12:47
pvoceuse synaptic to load a basic kde install12:47
WeirdAlIs opera in a repository?12:47
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pvocenautilus can be used as a browser as wel12:47
WeirdAloh :-)12:47
LaserI have a problem12:48
theantixweirdal, you might just try ephiphany or galeon instead of installing all of kde12:48
theantixhowever you'll quite likely get the same problems no matter what12:48
WeirdAlNautilus tells me that the location is not a folder.12:48
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pvoceyou need to use http:12:49
WeirdAlI did12:49
LaserI just installed Ubuntu on my iBook 466 SE and the screen is all weird. I think i got the wrong resolution. What can i do to change it?12:49
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WeirdAlKDE's going to take half an hour to get :-(12:50
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LaserAnd now it's resting and won't wake up or shut down :(12:50
WeirdAlYou don't happen to know how I can resize my ext3 root partition do you?12:50
WeirdAlI've tried parted, QTParted, live CDs...12:50
kentLaser, there is a program to change the screenresolution in Gnome. Does it not work?12:51
nubbeWhen I try to use nvidia-settings, I get mostly nothing, just a window with no real functionality, and when I start it in terminal I get :ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.12:51
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Laserkent, i can't see anything on the screen so i can't really do anything12:51
catrlrok... oops12:51
catrlri made an oopsy12:51
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pvocek.back....kids needed me12:51
nubbeanyone got a suggestion?12:52
catrlri jst changed my eth1 MAC address to the same as my G4s address.. how do i change it back?12:52
WeirdAlpvoce, any ideas about partitioning? ^^^12:52
catrlri didn't write down my old one12:52
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LaserHow do i wake the computer up from sleep-mode?12:52
catrlri used 'sudo ifconfig eth1 hw ether <MAC-ADDRESS>12:52
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catrlri am going to try to restart and see if that helps12:53
LaserI can't even shut the computer down right now :(12:54
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catrlrwhat type of machine Laser?12:54
Laseribook 466 SE12:54
catrlri have that exact problem on mie12:54
catrlrsomething about airport waking up12:54
LaserI don't have airport12:55
catrlrand never doing anything after12:55
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catrlrwell then it's different for you12:55
LaserI just installed ubuntu, and everythings messed up :)12:55
catrlrdid you dump your other OS in the process?12:56
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catrlrcnt answer that now can he12:56
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KingArthurok, I've got an old generic x86 box with 4GB HD, 333Mhz processor, and 32MB of RAM.  Ubuntu claims to work on 32MB of ram.  It's got CD-Rom boot option, and I've booted to install ubuntu, and it works in "low memory mode".  Well, as it verifys files, it comes to the step of "unpacking lvmcfg-utils".  Then it throws back up the low memory dialogue, I say continue, and at the bottom it shows a Fatal Error for a second befor12:56
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mhztsktsktsk! after googling a while, reading many posts, etc, I still can't get cdrecord to fixate CDs... any ideas?12:57
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KingArthurany ideas on how I can get this to finish unpacking correctly?12:57
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MyNameIsChrisFor some strange reason my virtual terminals percieve a | as a ~ and various other character swaps. I think I have it on the wrong keyboard. But I have no idea how to change it12:58
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KingArthurwell, looks like the tech supporting guys are a little busy.  probably a little too much candy today ;-)01:00
Bobbyanyone who can help me with a boot problem?01:00
neighborleeKingArthur, lol01:00
neighborleeBobby, whats up01:00
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Bobbywell, it seems like the system can't mount the root partition at start up :/01:01
catrlryay got my MAC address back01:01
catrlrgod bless america01:01
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jnkKingArthur, what's the problem ?01:01
kakaltodoes anyone know of a zip,rar,etc. program (not file-roller)01:02
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KingArthurIt freezes at the "unpacking lvmcfg-utils".  Gives me a low memory mode warning, then a fatal error, then comes back and tries to do it again01:02
croccohi all01:02
mathmattoh, for making archives, rar01:03
KingArthurthat is during the install process01:03
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KingArthurI've only got 32MB of ram, but Ubuntu says it will work with 32.01:03
jeavishello How I can Install mySQL to Hoary01:03
kakaltomathmatt, any ones with a GUI?01:03
kakaltomathmatt, also, I'm not hoary yet ;)01:04
croccoi have a question concerning Enlightenment, i want  to try the engage "dock" and i added some a repository to my sources.list and the packages in there are simply not coming up when i apt-cache search for them01:04
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croccothe repos i am talking about are in here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20216.html01:04
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jnkcrocco, you have done an "apt-get update" (or "aptitude update") right? And you're talking about apt-cache not apt-get ?01:05
BobbyIs there a rescue disk on the installation cd?01:05
croccojeavis, apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client01:05
jnkKingArthur, what version are you installing?01:05
croccoBobby, the live cd i guess01:05
jnkBobby, there is the boot CD01:05
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croccojnk, yah01:05
jnkyeah I meant live CD)01:05
croccoi did an updtae01:05
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croccoupdate even01:05
Bobbyoki, I'll try that01:05
jeaviscrocco; apt-get install mysql.server01:06
KingArthurversion: 4.101:06
croccobobby also when you boot with the regular install cd hit alt+F201:06
croccoyou will get a console01:06
croccojeavis, euuh no01:06
jnkcrocco, and "apt-cache show engage" shows nothing ?01:06
croccomysql-server ..01:06
Bobbyok crocco, got that01:06
croccojeavis, if that is what you want of course01:06
croccoW: Unable to locate package engage01:07
maciekjest ktos z polski ??01:08
kakaltodoes anyone know of a zip,rar,etc. program (not file-roller) with a GUI?01:08
croccolet's keep this english please .. it is pretty universal01:08
jeaviscrocco; root@jeavis:~# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password pecos01:08
jeavisUnknown suffix '/' used for variable 'socket' (value '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock')01:08
jeavis/usr/bin/mysqladmin: Error while setting value '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' to 'socket'01:08
jnkKingArthur, sorry I can't help, but maybe try with hoary...01:08
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croccojeavis, what is it exactly that you wanna achieve01:09
jnkcrocco, and no error message when doing apt-get update ?01:09
KingArthurwould setting up a swap work?  And if so, how do y ou do it?01:09
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croccokakalto, file-roller works awsome01:09
kakaltocrocco, file-roller crashes01:09
kakaltofor me01:09
croccowith ?01:09
jeaviscrocco; I want to put my user01:09
kakaltowhenever there's a *.CSS file in the zip/rar01:10
croccojeavis, you only want to ass a user ?01:10
derekis there a package to make quicktime work under firefox?01:10
jeaviscrocco; I have install yet mysql.server01:10
KingArthurjnk  : what is hoary?01:10
croccokakalto, wow .. ok .. try fireing up fileroller in gdb and look what it says01:10
kakaltoderek, I'm pretty sure quicktime is windows & Mac OS only01:10
derekKingArthur, a horny boar?01:10
croccoKingArthur, like unstable for debian01:10
kakaltocrocco: gdb?01:10
kakaltocrocco, I'm fairly new to linux01:10
croccolike sid01:10
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derekkakalto, quicktime worked for me under normal debian01:10
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kakaltoderek, with wine or something?01:11
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derekkakalto, i had to grab packages off non free servers01:11
croccokakalto, hmmz .. ok sorry .. euuh i dunno of any other ones .. you can always use your cmd line :) unrar / unzip / unace01:11
kakaltoderek, or am I thinking of another media thing01:11
jnkKingArthur, to set up a swap you: 1) make a partition with code 83 (I think) and mkswap it  2) activate it (for example: swapon /dev/hda3)01:11
derekkakalto, nope just normal old gnu\linux01:11
croccokakalto, not too difficult01:11
jnkbut I don't know if this can help01:11
derekkakalto, where there is "quick time" player and "quick time" format01:11
kkathmangood day all :)01:12
dereki never got quick time player working, but got quick time format to play under other players :)01:12
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kakaltoderek, ahk.01:12
jnkKingArthur, hoary is the next ubuntu version, it'll be released on 6th april I think. But it's already pretty stable now01:12
croccoho ho ho // wait  a sec .. what is this .. Quicktime working underlinux from non free servers ?01:12
KingArthurwell, I'll look around and see what I can do :-)01:12
KingArthurthanks for help, everyone.01:12
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mathmattrunning Hoary, it rocks!01:13
jnkderek, there was a mozilla plugin for mplayer I think01:13
maciek Hoary, it rocks!01:13
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airmikeyis ubuntu like fedora when it comes to getting kernel updates  or do u haved to compile?01:13
mathmattany users of Octave 2.1 in here?01:13
RoeyI get this erorr trying to boot Ubuntu:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html01:13
StR34kI was running suse.01:13
Roeywhat gives?01:13
jnkairmikey, you choose01:13
jnkairmikey, I just run "aptitude update" and everything is automatic01:14
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airmikeyright on01:14
croccohmmz .. anyone able to help me with my problem ? the one explained above ?01:14
mathmattI'm unable to run surf() under Octave.  any ideas?01:14
RoeyCorrection:  I get this when booting Ubuntu: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cd7Cha40.html01:14
maciekjnk, mozplugger01:15
Curaltonlooks like a RAID error to me Roey01:15
derekjnk: Marillat used to have them01:15
derekis there something like marillat repositories for ubuntu?01:15
randabisyou can use the marilliat repositories for ubuntu if you're very careful01:16
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jnkcrocco, it's just... strange...  have you run apt-get update several times? (I remember one time where this helped), have you checked for other packages (enlightenment 0.16.999 for example)?01:16
croccojnk yes01:16
kakaltowhat is kde's equivalent of file-roller?01:16
derekrandabis, if i am using hoary (which Marillat should i use?) stable, testing or unstable01:17
RoeyCuralton: how so??01:17
croccoi have also checked other repositories(mirrors_01:17
croccoand nothing01:17
jnkwhat do you mean?01:17
RoeyCuralton: everyone says raid error.  Well, fuck.  Should I just mkfs /boot afresh?01:17
CuraltonRoey: do you use raid? and does it prevent ubuntu from booting?01:17
jnkcrocco, that your database never gets updated?01:17
RoeyCuralton: the only time it prevented ubuntu from booting was when I installed it.  Debian Proper doesn't care.01:17
RoeyCuralton: it actually did this for some time:01:18
randabisderek, unstable I believe01:18
RoeyCuralton: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html01:18
errrI have a Dell insprion, and after upgrading my horay from the gnome 2.9.(what ever it was) to the current it is dog slow. Its not gnome related because I alos have fluxbox installed and its dog slow too. I have looked in the xorg config to see if composite was enabled or something but it wasnt. has any one else had this problem?01:19
kakaltodoes anyone know what kde's equivalent of file-roller is?01:19
Curaltonerr, you use raid right? with md0 as root?01:19
Curalton@ Roey01:19
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mathmattark works for kde01:19
javihi there, how can i configure this ubuntu system as a gateway to other computers ;o?01:19
croccowell .. euuh it does01:19
RoeyCuralton: right01:20
mjtis there a reason to use ati proprietary drivers with radeon 9200 cards, anyone know?01:20
javiis a howto out there?01:20
croccojnk, it does get updated .. only not from those respositories01:20
RoeyCuralton: md0 is /boot, md1 is /home, md2 is /01:20
errrjavi: I used to use firestarter for that. it was an easy to use app01:20
croccomay be i have a lot of repositories (that would be a new one for debian )01:20
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mjtRoey: mdadm just doesn't see the /dev/mdX device nodes, that's all01:20
javithx ;o ill check it out01:20
Curaltonmjt: udev problem maybe?01:20
Roeymjg59: ok01:20
Roeymjt: ok, is there a way to make it?01:21
mjtCuralton: well, it's a bit more than udev, really01:21
mjtRoey: which version of mdadm it is?01:21
Roeymjt: one sec01:21
derekis there a newer multimedia howto than: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-25783.html01:21
Roeymjt:  23:21:43 / mdadm --version01:21
Roeymdadm - v1.9.0 - 04 February 200501:21
errrkakalto: the file manager?01:21
mjtbtw, is there a way with udev to create some fixed nodes manually?01:22
Roeymjt: also I cannot boot off LILO (with any amd64 kernel, raid or not raid)01:22
croccojnk, they get ignored01:22
jeaviswhere I can find the documentation to hoary01:22
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errrkakalto: konqueror (if so )01:22
mjtRoey: that version can create the nodes automatically, provided you give --auto=md argument to it01:23
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Roeymjt: hmm01:24
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jnkkakalto, you were told already: Ark01:24
mjtRoey: at the shell prompt - when you're at the state as outlined in your rafb paste - try mdadm --assemble --scan --auto=md /dev/md001:24
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Roeymjt:  well I am chroot'd into the original disks -- this is where I coudl do this/01:24
jnkcrocco, and apt-get update doesn't complain?01:24
kakaltojnk, I didn't see, sorry01:25
croccojnk it doesn't complain it euuh ignores the source01:25
airmikeyanyone useing that usb harddrive ?01:25
Roeymjt:  will the command you provided change the raid partitions?01:26
Roeymjt:  do they require that these raid partitions be unmounted first?01:26
maciekairmikey, that ??01:26
croccoairmikey, euu i use usb stuff why01:26
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mjtRoey: note "when you're at the state as outlined in your rafb paste" part, again01:27
airmikeyjus wordering if i can plug into usb on any os  without a prob01:27
mjtRoey: the command will try to assemble (what a guess!) the md0 array01:27
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Roeymjt: but the thing hangs at that point.01:27
Roeymjt: I can't type in anything01:27
maciekairmikey, U can,,... :D01:27
spiraloidquick question.. I need to modify my PATH for non-console environments. it appears that bashrc and .bashrc (and the like) are not being parsed when logging in through GDM.. where can I set these on a per-user basis?01:28
mjtRoey: damn, it asks you for yoour root password!01:28
spiraloidnot just path, but also add some env. vars01:28
mjt"add some env vars"  I just love it ;)01:28
croccospiraloid,  euuh ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile etc etc .... that given that the user uses bash01:29
spiraloidthe thing is, those arne't being parsed01:29
Chipzzspiraloid: you should RTFM :P01:29
spiraloidyou should read my question :P01:29
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Chipzzno, you should RTFM01:30
spiraloidI modify those files as I thought I should.. it's when launching apps, the variables simply aren't being set.01:30
Chipzzit's in there01:30
Chipzzman bash01:30
spiraloidhm ok01:30
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Roeymjt: that does not happen anymore01:30
spiraloideven if bash isn't involved eh01:30
Roeymjt: that's how it was after I installed Ubuntu01:30
Chipzz.bash_profile is for login shells, .bashrc for non-login shells01:30
croccoChipzz, if you know the answer you should tell him that spares a lot of typing and irritation ..01:30
Roeymjt: now it just gives me:01:30
Roeymjt: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cd7Cha40.html01:31
croccoChipzz, RTFM just seems NEVER to work .. ppl NEVER read man first .. i gave that hope up01:31
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Roeymjt: (between these error messages I had inadvertantly apt-got installed kernel-image-2.6.10)01:31
Chipzzcrocco: well, but if you tell them too, then they should :P01:31
croccono .. tried that for years ..01:31
mjtRoey: what's "[etc etc] " ?01:32
spiraloidhey i know how to handle bashrc and profile alright, i'm no noob :P i'm tellin ya, i put the export commands in BOTH files, and they weren't being set when: logging in through gdm, then executing the app through the gnome menu, etc.01:32
Chipzzcrocco: slap harder ;)01:32
Roeymjt:  is a possible solution to delete /dev/md0 and mkfs.ext3 it from scratch?01:32
spiraloideven entering them into the global /etc/bashrc or /etc/profile01:32
croccoanyways .. i need to know why apt is ignoring some repositories01:32
spiraloidhow so, crocco?01:32
mjtRoey: what's "delete" ?  rm /dev/md0?01:32
kakaltowhat is desktop publishing?01:32
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airmikeymaciek:yeah thx..its jus that ive lost all my music and movies on the internel drives..loading different linuxs01:32
bodhihas anyone used the irda-utils?01:32
croccolol spiraloid that was pretty much the question ..01:33
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Roeymjt:  the [etc etc]  represents all the messages that the other filesystem drivers give when they try to read the partition (NTFS tries, Reiser tries, etc.)01:33
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Chipzzcrocco: apt-cache policy01:33
maciekairmikey, ooppss... sorry...01:33
Chipzzcrocco: man apt-cache ;)01:33
Roeymjt::  first to stop raid on /dev/md0.  Then to do some raidhotadd voodoo and mkfs.ext3 on it01:33
Roeymjt: somehow.01:33
spiraloidi mean, what are the repositories, etc.. i added a repository lately, and it's not letting me force versions from it.. i figured it would be due to non-signed or untrusted repositories, but didn't bother much with it.01:33
maciekairmikey, really...01:33
Roeymjt: or first to umount /dev/md0, actually01:34
Roeymjt: then to re-do mkfs.ext3 on it01:34
InitMassif i install a file, not with apt, will the app only place files in the dir which i tell it to install into?01:34
mjtRoey: that last rafb paste shows your system can't find your scsi disks01:34
Roeymjt: then copy the boot files over.01:34
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GhostFaceKillaW: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90701:34
Roeymjt: there's SATA disks.01:34
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croccoChipzz, lol01:34
Roeymjt: *they're01:34
Roeymjt: can Ubuntu boot off SATA disks?01:34
GhostFaceKillawhat happened to his public key?01:34
spiraloiddoesn't have one01:34
Chipzzcrocco: at least I gave you a hint what to look for ;)01:34
Roeymjt: can it boot off / and /boot when they're on raid1 ?01:35
mjtRoey: sata, scsi, whatever. the system does not see them for some reason.  And *that* is the problem you have to fix first01:35
Roeymjt: OK, how?01:35
Roeymjt: You gave commands but I don't know where and when to execute them01:35
mjti did?01:35
magnonanyone have any idea what might happen when I can't install packages because base-system is unable to do anything with /var/log/btmp? I can't access the file as root myself either01:35
Roey<mjt> Roey: at the shell prompt - when you're at the state as outlined in your rafb paste - try mdadm --assemble --scan --auto=md /dev/md001:36
randabisGhostFaceKilla, don't know, but it's not a big deal01:36
croccoChipzz, yah .. thx ..01:36
mjtRoey: that's about your first paste, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html01:36
Roeymjt: oh, ok.01:36
mjtRoey: on the second, things are *very* different ;)01:36
Roeymjg59: what about for this one then?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cd7Cha40.html01:37
Roeymjt: ahh ok01:37
Chipzzcrocco: dunnow if that's what you're looking for, but I think it's a hint in the right direction ;)01:37
mjtRoey: hey, i've already seen that ;)01:37
croccohmm .. i think it might be cause of my AMD64 ... damn01:37
croccoChipzz, well .. i think it's an answer..it meant GO GOOGLE .. this place is not helping ;)01:38
mjtRoey: how your system is booted in the first place?  Is that still initrd stuff?  Where' s your root fs?01:38
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Roeymjt: the rootfs is on /dev/md201:39
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Roeymjt: the initrd for the image that I am booting is located in /boot, which is on /dev/md0.01:39
bodhii can configure Irda to work, anyone have Irda in a PC and ubuntu?01:39
jaslor_MHzI a nooby with a makefile - how can I "add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable"01:39
bodhii CANT configure Irda to work, anyone have Irda in a PC and ubuntu?01:39
jaslor_MHzhow can I find that file ?01:40
spiraloidinstall the gtk dev packages01:40
mjtRoey: aha. so it can't assemble md2 which is your root, so on the the last paste it is still processing initrd... oh well.01:40
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Chipzzcrocco: with apt-cache policy somepackage, it will show you which repositories are being considered for that package and in which order01:40
Chipzzcrocco: does that help? :)01:40
spiraloidjaslor_MHz, I think the package you want to install is libgtk2.0-dev01:41
magnonhey, I'm seeing that several log files are unaccessible even by root (gets Permission denied). What could be up?01:41
Roeymjt: hmm, ok01:41
Roeymjt: is there anything we can specify to grub to tell it to work?01:41
mjtRoey: i don't know how initrd works in ubuntu and if there's any shell inside so one can type a command or two.  But it looks like the driver for your sata controller isn't loaded, or something - do you see it being loaded?01:41
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Roeymjt: not at all!01:41
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Roeymjt: perhaps an ubuntu dev can answer this?01:41
Roeycrimsun: yo01:41
kneecapswill warty upgrade to ubuntu cleanly at this point in time by changing the sources?01:42
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jaslor_MHzthanks spiraloid that was indeed the package01:42
Pizbit_crocco: I can only think: 1) You havn't done an apt-get update since adding them respositories in 2) There are newer packages in other repositories so they take precedence 3) The ignored respository has no packages for your cpu type so you can't install from them01:42
spiraloidkneecaps, I had no problems :)01:42
scottjDoes ubuntu not play mp3s out of the box? What do I have to install for rythmbox to play them?01:42
kneecapsspiraloid: lol..thanks, I mean't hoary not ubuntu doh :D01:43
spiraloidyeah I figured :)01:43
mjtmagnon: two possibilities. 1) run fsck on the filesystem - may be due to problems in the filesystem structure; 2) lsattr01:43
Pizbit_scottj: All you need to know http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:43
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jaslor_MHzkneecaps, I tried it yesterday but cooked my gnome - restarted from CD01:43
croccoPizbit_, well .. i doubt so as the repositories i am talking about contain Enlightenment stuff from which i only find a few in the pkg list of apt.01:44
mjtRoey: try to figure out which driver do you need for your controller and ensure it is loaded in the initrd. from the install/rescue disk and chroot perhaps.01:44
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Roeymjt: it's using softraid...01:44
Roeymjt: what do you mean, controller?01:44
mjtRoey: sata controller01:44
Roeymjt: oh.01:44
Roeymjt: jeff garzick's promise controller.01:44
magnonmjt: yeah, just looked at dmesg. Reiser is complaining, guess that's it.01:45
Pizbitcrocco: Could be you didn't add the respository properly(ie, missed out something equivelent to universe/mqain/etc), or they just don't have all the E packages?01:45
kneecapsjaslor_MHz: ah...right, I thought gnome/xorg could be problematic01:45
mjtRoey: your softraid can't work with disks connected to air, can it?01:45
mjtRoey: so ensure the driver is loaded in the initrd01:45
Roeymjt: how can I inspect initrd contents01:45
croccoPizbit, doubt that too, as then apt would complain ... and give an error message .. and the line simply is well formed .. deb http://www.soulmachine.net/debian unstable-20050215/01:46
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jaslor_MHzhas anyone got the w32 media codecs to install in hoary ?01:46
mjtRoey: you can mount it readonly - it's cramfs, so mount -o loop,ro -t cramfs /boot/initrdxx /mnt/whatever;  To change it you have to run mkinitrd01:46
croccoPizbit, check out the repos they DEFINATELY have everything packaged and in the Packages file also01:46
Pizbitjaslor_MHz: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main01:47
Roeymjt: ok, and...I'm still trying to figure out which libata driver it is01:47
jaslor_MHzthanks Pizbit01:47
flodineis ubuntu easy like fedora?01:47
mjtmagnon: pretty nice error messsages reiserfs produces, eh?  INstead of I/O error or something, "permission denied"... Still can't understand why ppl are using this piece of crap...01:48
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jagnethi! anyone tried the belkin 54g wireless card with broadcom chip? it is standing between me and ubuntu...01:48
magnonmjt: yeah, I'm going to stop ;)01:48
magnonmjt: you wouldn't, by any chance, know how to force a fsck at next reboot?01:48
mjttouch /forcefsck01:48
magnonmjt: never mind, shutdown -F01:49
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magnonah, another method then :)01:49
mjtshutdown -F does just that ;)01:49
magnonthanks though01:49
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croccohey Chipzz when i do apt-cache policy enlightenment it says that i have0.16 and that is the only one available and that none is pinned .. and that is wrond01:49
croccoas i have it in /etc/apt/preferences01:49
scottjWhen doing apt-get update it often just sits there on 99% fetching headers. why is that?01:50
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Roeymjt:   ./lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_promise.ko01:50
Roeymjt:  that one I found under the initrd mount01:50
mjtRoey: ugh.  So is it being loaded in your initrd before mdadm?01:51
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mjtRoey: the kernel usually says something ilke "found Promise blabla controller at blabla..."01:51
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black_nightmarehey there01:52
black_nightmareanyone know about something like a hardware probe?  you know like..trying find what an isa card would be (irq too)01:52
black_nightmareif not...ty..at least I asked01:53
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jagnetno one with broadcom wireless chip?...01:53
Pizbitcrocco: Is it just me, or are they not listed here? http://www.soulmachine.net/debian/unstable-20050215/Packages01:53
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Roeymjt: what I posted is what appears.01:53
Roeymjt: so it looks like that module is /not/ being loaded before mdadm, because mdadm is whining from the start01:54
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Roeymjt:  in 'loadmodules' we have:  modprobe -k  unix 2> /dev/null01:54
Roeymodprobe -k  raid101:54
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Roeymjt: does 'unix' include all the filesystem drivers and mdadm?01:55
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mjtRoey: unix is unrelated at all.. it's unix-domain sockets support01:55
Roeymjt: in 'script' we have:  ROOT=/dev/md201:55
Roeymdadm -A /devfs/md/2 -R -u a6dcd495:7faef1ce:2993219c:26e2b700 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb601:55
croccoPizbit, it's only you01:55
black_nightmarehmm roey can I use modprobe to search for isa?  just curious01:56
Pizbitcrocco: Damn, I think about it after I've spent more than a minute awake01:56
Roeyblack_nightmare: dunno01:56
croccoPizbit, if you look for "Package: enlightenement" you will find it:)01:56
black_nightmarety still01:56
Roeyblack_nightmare: lspci01:56
mjtRoey: it should load your promise card driver too, before mdadm01:56
Roeymjt: that's all it has01:56
Roeymjt: that 'script' file01:56
croccoPizbit, :)01:56
jas_MHzmy makefile isn't finding my /usr/include/linux folder - can I add it to an environment variable or something ??01:56
mjtRoey: plus, it should load sd_mod (disk driver)01:56
Roeymjt: "ROOT=/dev/md2" followed by "mdadm -A /devfs/md/2 -R -u a6dcd495:7faef1ce:2993219c:26e2b700 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb6"01:56
Pizbitcrocco: What you could always do is download the packages straight from that address and then dpkg -i package1 package2 etc:)01:56
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black_nightmarehmm roey...ty thats interesting but then its not even showing my isa sound card...thats what i want try detect especially to figure its irq01:57
croccoPizbit, thaught about that but i do not see a reason why this should not work ..01:57
Roeymjt:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/4l8VaW66.html01:58
mjtRoey: i guess you have to re-create your initrd, and specify the two modules mentioned (your promise driver and sd_mod) in /etc/mkinitrd/modules01:58
Roeymjt: didja check out that link?01:58
Roeymjt: it loads sd_mod01:58
mjtRoey: but not your promise driver!01:58
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Roeymjt: ok01:59
Roeymjt: so I add to /etc/mkinitrd this "sata_promise" ?01:59
Roeymjt: btw I hope this is it01:59
mirakis there a way to make gnome use async asynchrone transfert mode for the removable devices ?01:59
Pizbitcrocco: Hrm, try removing the / at end of your deb line01:59
croccoPizbit, that gens an error man :) ..01:59
mjtRoey: i think i repeated that about a dozen of times already: your initrd must load your controller driver somehow01:59
black_nightmarehmmm........this is interesting....02:00
black_nightmareI tried 'modprobe sb' out of curiousity and got several errors02:00
black_nightmareanyone mind seeing it and perhaps deciph it for me? :)02:00
Roeymjt: I meant to ask, is there a possibility that this is /not/ my controller driver (i.e. I have a promise sata controller... are they all wrapped up in this single driver?)02:00
Roey(are all sata drivers)02:00
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croccothis is real weird Ign http://www.soulmachine.net unstable-20050215/ Release       Ign http://www.soulmachine.net unstable-20050215/ Packages02:01
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Roeymjt: ok, in /etc/mkinitrd/modules I added:  sata_promise sd_mod ext3 xfs (one per line)02:01
mrproperDoes anyone have Mono 1.0.6 deb's for Horay?02:01
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mirakin fact that's the opposite, I want it synchrone02:02
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black_nightmareFATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device02:02
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black_nightmarethe card is right there....just I dunno what irq/whatever it even is on at all02:02
mjtRoey: i dunno about the driver - never dealt with sata stuff at all.  You can check in /sys -- which driver is handling your device.  lspci to find the slot number, and check the link at /sys/bus/pci/devices/<number>/driver02:02
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Pizbitcrocco: Maybe it's malformed or something odd?:)02:02
mdkeis this occuring to others?02:02
mdkeFailed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch02:03
mdkeFailed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch02:03
Pizbitcrocco: http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/2005/02/mirrors.html02:03
mjtRoey: don't add filesystem modules - mkinitrd will figure them out by its own. ditto for sd_mod.02:03
croccoPizbit, tried that also .. same thing they get ignored02:03
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croccoPizbit, the prob is i got this from ubuntu forums02:03
Pizbitcrocco: Second one showed up 0.17 for me02:03
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croccosure ?02:04
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Roeymjt:  0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)02:04
Pizbitcrocco: Yeah, this one has e17 deb http://luddite.atticauthor.info/debian/ unstable/02:05
mjtRoey: are you actually reading what I "said"?  the second part of it?02:05
croccoPizbit,  hmmz ... damn .. euuh what do you have in your /etc/apt/preferences02:05
Roeymjt:  mkinitrd will figure them out by its own. ditto for sd_mod.02:06
Pizbitcrocco: I don't even have one of those:)02:06
Roeymjt:   lspci to find the slot number, and check the link at /sys/bus/pci/devices/<number>/driver02:06
Roeymjt:  am doing that02:06
croccoPizbit, hmmz . me neither .. but i can't see it yet WTF02:06
mjtRoey: yeah, the /sys/.. stuff02:06
PizbitYou did apt-get udate right?:)02:06
Pizbiter, update heh02:06
mjtRoey: /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:0f.0/driver - it's a symlink, where it points to?02:07
croccoyeah .. it just keep getting ignored02:07
Roeymjt:  aaaah, I was trying to cat it.  Here: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    0 Mar 28 00:06 0000:00:0f.0 -> ../../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0f.002:07
Roey--w-------  1 root root 4096 Mar 28 00:06 new_id02:07
black_nightmaresomeone seriously tell me.. ubuntu has fdisk doesn't it??02:07
mdkeblack_nightmare, yes02:07
black_nightmarelol interesting02:07
mjtRoey: please remove the trailing / and repeat ;)02:07
HappyPillsand cfdisk02:07
Chipzzcrocco: you sure the package is called enlightenment in the ohter repo?02:07
black_nightmareI'm scrolling through all commands now here [double tab at terminal prompt that is]  :p02:08
black_nightmarecfdisk? whats that02:08
croccoChipzz, affirmative02:08
bogus-cfdisk is some more userfriendly than fdisk02:08
HappyPillsa semi graphical version of fdisk02:08
Roeymjt:   lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 0 Mar 28 00:05 /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:0f.0/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/sata_via02:08
HappyPillsthat's the one02:08
Roeymjt: hmm, so I was wrong, it was via :)02:08
Pizbitblack_nightmare: I see, hrm, 11 entries using tab completion for fsck.02:08
Roeymjt: sata_via02:08
mdkePizbit, he said fdisk02:08
PizbitDamn, I typoed and didn't notice >.<02:08
mdkebut that's there too02:08
mjtRoey: here you go. load your sata_via module02:09
PizbitBut yeah, fdisk is there02:09
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croccodo i have to add it or something02:09
Roeymjt: ok, cool.  I added that to /etc/mkinitrd/modules.02:09
croccoto a trusted server or something ?02:09
Roeymjt: now I need to make a new rdinit.img, right?02:09
catrlrhehe... UNIX Security.... lol02:10
catrlrwhat an oxymoron02:10
croccocause come on .. i have been working with debian for years this ia a first02:10
mjtRoey: btw, is there such a module with your kernel your're trying to boot?02:10
Roeymjt:  ./lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_via.ko02:10
Roeymjt: found it here under the rdinit mount02:10
black_nightmarehmm don't see (or must have missed the unobvious name) any command for isa probe....oh well........bleah02:11
derekwhat is recommended way to burn cd's on ubuntu?02:11
mjtcatrlr: you just said you don't understand what is "security" at all02:11
Roeymjt: but that's odd.... the kanotix kernel that I have loaded here (livecd) doesn't show it listed with lsmod... maybe it is compiled in-kernel for kanotix.02:11
dereknautilus cd tool is akward and k3b installs but no candidate for cdrdao02:11
spiraloidderek, using nautilus.. there's a wiki article about it on the ubuntu site, one sec.02:11
derekspiraloid, that was my fear.. that interface blows goats...02:11
Pizbitderek: gnomebaker?02:11
RoeyPizbit: what is that, like some sort of evil Gargamel?02:12
RoeyPizbit: "gnome baker"???02:12
PizbitNo, gnomebaker02:12
catrlri was joking02:12
Roeyevil wizard who bakes gnomes in his dungeon.  Gargamel.02:12
derekno gnomebaker (at least on hoary)02:12
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catrlrhey... is there a windows emulator for Ubuntu?02:12
derekk3b installs but it relies on cdrdao which has no package02:12
spiraloidhaha there's a few.. just goto the ubuntu site and type in 'cd burning' in the searhc :)02:12
kakaltowhat's the command to change resolution?02:12
Pizbitderek: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=402:13
Roeymjt: so now we create the new rdinit.img, right?02:13
derekhow k3b installs without a dependency i suppose is a matter of bugs needing filed against it02:13
black_nightmarecatrlr...well its not quite all on synaptic but I believe you can get qemu02:13
spiraloidwhat about NeroLinux? *ducks*02:13
Pizbitderek: Possibly you don't have universe and whatnot in your sources.list?02:13
mjtRoey: just try it eh? ;)02:13
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derekPizbit, QUITE possible02:13
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black_nightmareany of you know a bit about recent tv's?02:13
derekif there is a way to EXPAND my universe i would love it02:13
Roeymjt: can you show me how to use mkrdinit?  I've tried before but it didn't work.02:14
derekbeing a long time debian user.. i love everything about ubuntu except the apparent lack of software02:14
kakaltohow can I change my screen resolution under xfce02:14
catrlrblack_nightmare: how's it work?02:14
dereki was thinking i might be missing a few sources.list lines02:14
black_nightmarederek...even in the universal repositiories?02:14
Pizbitderek: You need to add universe to the sources.list02:14
catrlrseemingly there are docs for something called wine02:14
Roeymjt: btw this will explain why I can't get anything to load... it's because the _hardware_ driver had to be loaded first, before mdadm or the filesystem drivers or anything02:14
black_nightmarecatrlr..dunno..only read about it yet02:14
catrlrbut no app for it02:14
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Pizbitderek: Have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:14
black_nightmareand wine is only to emulate windows runtime files actually btw...its not even a windows emulator at all02:14
mjtRoey: i think i said just that at the beginning.. no?02:14
black_nightmareeg you could run windows solatire right on linux with winex (no emulating at all)02:14
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black_nightmareunderstood catrlr?02:15
gratuitdoes anyone know what the name of the app that asks for the root password when you select an administration task from the menu is?02:15
mjtRoey: mkinitrd kernel-version (as shown in /lib/modules/<...>) - that's how to makd initrd02:15
derekcrikey it wsa freaking in the sources.list file as a comment02:15
mjrgratuit, gksudo02:15
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Pizbitgratuit: gksudo02:15
mjrgratuit, umm, I assumed you meant the sudoer's password02:16
Roey<mjt> Roey: mkinitrd kernel-version (as shown in /lib/modules/<...>) - that's how to makd initrd02:16
mjrgratuit, anyway, gksu asks for root02:16
spiraloidthere's also this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view02:16
Roeymjt: (was searching for it, heh)02:16
Roeymjt:  'mkinitrd 2.6.10'  gives the help page.  Something is still missing.  -o outfile?02:17
mjtRoey: looks like, yes.  The output should go to /boot/something02:18
derekwhat is the default for ubuntu sound? alsa, esd, arts ....02:18
Roeymjt:  mkinitrd  -o rdinit.img-2.6.10 2.6.1002:18
randabismkinitrd -o 2.6.10 initrd-2.6.10 I believe02:18
mjrderek, alsa with esd running on top in gnome02:18
Roeymjt: dah!where's its output!!!02:18
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mjtrandabis: you got it backwards02:18
randabismkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.10 2.6.1002:18
mjtRoey: where your previous initrd was -- /boot/something-with-2.6.10-in-name - use that same name02:19
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mjtrandabis: i thought debian uses slightly different names for initrds.  like initimg.. but i don't remember.02:20
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Roeymjt: ok02:21
Roeymjt: the previous initrd.img-2.6.10  and the current one both have the same file size: 417382402:21
Roeymjt: I'm stupid.02:22
Roeymjt: I need to umount the initrd.02:22
randabismjt, technically it doesn't matter02:22
mjtrandabis: technically yes, but it's better to let the usual tools to deal with the names they expect02:22
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mjtRoey: having it mounted does not matter, really02:23
Roeywell then, they still do have same file size.02:23
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Roeymjt: should I mount the image to make sure it is in 'modules' ?02:23
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Roeymjt:  that is, in 'loadmodules' ?02:23
mjtRoey: why not, after all? ;)02:23
randabismjt, as far as I can tell, the default ubuntu initrds are named initrd.img-kernelversion02:23
Roeymjt:  modprobe -k  sata_via is the first line there.02:24
eyequeuederek:  https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu02:24
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mjtRoey: btw, are you sure you compared with your *old* image and not with whatever you just did experimenting with mkinitrd?02:24
Zedtechcan I get some serious help here? :-)02:24
ZedtechI mean major02:24
Roeymjt: er02:24
Roeymjt: yeah02:24
Roeymjt: the filesizes were the same but in my stupidity i just overwrote the old initrd.02:25
Roeymjt: with the new one.02:25
mjtRoey: well, cramfs aligns the blocks02:25
Roeyoh, ok.02:25
Roeymjt: shall I reboot now02:25
ZedtechWhere can I configure the mouse in Ubuntu?02:25
ZedtechThe thing isnt supporting my mouse properly and totally flaking out02:25
black_nightmarezedtech .....02:25
ZedtechI move the mouse and it just sporadically moves/clicks/opens things02:25
derekeyequeue, interesting... might need that link to get mono development environment working02:25
black_nightmarethats all I know02:25
RoeyIs this channel hopefully logged to somewhere?02:25
Zedtechblack_nightmare: how can I get there just via the keyboard?02:25
black_nightmareno idea roey02:25
Roeydarned xchat lost the top few pages.02:25
mjtRoey: 4173824 bytes is 8152 512-byte blocks02:25
derekgetting the universe working solved 98% of my frustrations in about 10 seconds02:26
eyequeueZedtech:  System > Preferences > Mouse perhaps?02:26
Roeymjt: :)02:26
Roeymjt: ok, I will reboot now.02:26
black_nightmarezedtech...oh IC!!!!! no idea sorry :-|02:26
Roeyhopefully it will work02:26
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mjtRoey: you adding one line didn't increase the size past one block02:26
eyequeuederek:  see also ubuntuguide02:26
Zedtecheyequeue: I have no mouse man. Every time I Move it clicks around 1000 times a second or so. If i move it, i get about 5000 new things, the menu bars get tossed around, and everything goes haywire.02:26
Zedtecheyequeue: I've tried wiring another mouse to the box, same problem.02:26
eyequeueZedtech:  did i say to use the mouse to get there?02:26
ZedtechI just need to get to the mouse config, and see if I can do02:26
Zedtechwell, how can i do it without a mouse? How can I load 'system' from a terminal?02:27
Roeymjt: so, I will reboot now, OK?02:27
ZedtechI mean, I got a terminal up (obviously) and managed to get irssi started02:27
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Zedtechim afraid to move that mouse again02:27
DalkusZedtech, are you using a usb mouse?02:27
Zedtechyes and no02:27
mjtRoey: no, no, don't reboot please!  You will lose your warranty! ;-P02:27
Brunellushi there.  I'm running warty;  what repo do I have to add in order to upgrade from gthumb 2.4 to gthumb 2.6 ?02:27
Zedtechits a USB mouse with a PS2/Com converter on it02:27
DalkusI used to have that problem in Mandrake, with my USB mouse it did it often, with my ps/2 it never did02:27
Zedtechand its over a KVM Switch :(02:28
DalkusHave you a ps/2 mouse?02:28
ZedtechI have a ps/2 mouse02:28
ZedtechI tried using it02:28
Dalkus(without a converter)02:28
Zedtechsame problem02:28
ZedtechI need to get to the mouse configuration and maybe I can fix it from there...02:28
scottjanyone had problems with dvd drives being insanely loud? I just got this thinkpad T40 and the drive is insane when it's reading02:28
ZedtechTabbing and Alt+tabbing is no fun when you cant get anywhere02:29
eyequeueZedtech:  can't you use the menus without a mouse?02:29
ZedtechI can try, what do i need to click on what menu? (all the menus are haywire due to mouse movements. I have a really really enlarged menu on the right side of the screen and have no idea what it does)02:29
DalkusZedtech, looking at the mouse config it dosn't seem that you can fix your problem in there02:29
croccoeuuh guys .. it was my arch ..02:29
ZedtechDalkus: then any suggestions?02:29
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croccoi have amd64 and those repos are for i38602:29
ZedtechDalkus: besides "go back to gentoo"?02:29
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DalkusZedtech, none that I can think of... But i have no experience in fixing this problem, i just changed mice and never looked into it... I was very new to linux back then02:30
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DalkusTry asking later, or perhaps in a debian channel?02:30
croccoDalkus, what prob ?02:30
John6000i need aome kubuntu help02:30
DalkusYou've googled it no doubt?02:30
John6000i need some kubuntu help02:30
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Dalkuscornholio,  Zedtech is having mouse problems02:31
apokryphosJohn6000: If it's KDE-specific, then #kubuntu is the place to be.02:31
Zedtechlocked up02:31
Zedtechi moved the mouse and it killed all my consoles02:31
John6000its the kernel02:31
Zedtechit was fun02:31
John6000i just downloaded it testing it in vmware and02:31
Zedtechit was "System Crash!"02:31
DalkusZedtech, you in gnome?02:31
apokryphosJohn6000: then you need general Ubuntu help. :)02:31
ZedtechIm in whatever the default windows environment for ubuntu is02:31
John6000RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize02:31
ZedtechI couldnt tell you, I havent been able to do much02:31
DalkusYeah, gnome02:31
John6000invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 02:32
mjtZedtech: try rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare02:32
Zedtechhold up02:32
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John6000<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task!02:32
scottjHoaryBeagleRunningHowto says there's a beagle package in universe. Is that the case?02:32
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ZedtechUh mjt I have a question02:32
ZedtechHow can I access 'root' user in ubuntu? I thought it was disabled by default.02:33
ZedtechAnd I never looked into having it enabled.02:33
John6000can some1 help pleaze02:33
DalkusJohn6000, ask your question, dont ask to ask :)02:33
Zedtechwanna repeat that command mjt? I cant 'scroll up' to read it02:33
Dalkusmjt Zedtech: try rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare02:33
eyequeueZedtech:  sudo02:33
Zedtechsudo asks me for a bloody password02:34
Brunellussudo su02:34
Brunelluspassword is your user pass02:34
eyequeueZedtech:  yes, your own, you logged in with it02:34
black_nightmaresomeone want to tell me what three icons looking like 'wrong way' road signs are doing left of the clock???02:34
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John6000well i just downloaded kubantu and in vmware im testing it and it says<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task!02:34
DalkusZedtech, again?02:34
John6000b4 that it says02:34
ZedtechFATAL: Error inserting psmouse (/lib/modules/ Operation not permitted02:34
John6000RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize02:34
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ZedtechSorry; no copy and paste without a mouse.02:34
ZedtechThat was the error02:34
DalkusZedtech, do it as sudo02:34
John6000and  invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 02:34
Dreamer3what package do i need to get dos2unix and friendS?02:35
Zedtechthat was with sudo02:35
mjtZedtech: sudo modprobe psmouse proto=bare02:35
Zedtechthat worked02:35
Zedtechnow what?02:35
Brunellusquestion:  I'm running ndiswrapper02:35
Brunellusbut I built it from the source tarball02:35
DalkusJohn6000, thats a vmware problem, not ubuntu.. Have you tried asking in a vmware chan?02:35
ZedtechMouse isnt spastic :_)02:35
ZedtechI think you saved me mjt02:35
Brunellusif I apt upgrade-dist02:35
mjtZedtech: that's two commands (separated by ; ) both should be done as root02:35
Brunellusit will break, right?02:35
ZedtechI know thats two commands02:35
mjtZedtech: does it work now?02:35
Zedtechim not exactly a linux newb02:35
ZedtechYeah it worked02:36
eyequeueZedtech:  is your mouse currently "dead"?02:36
DalkusZedtech, it works now?02:36
John6000invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 02:36
mjtZedtech: i mean the mouse, not the command02:36
Zedtecheyequeue: actually my mouse "Works". I have a cursor and its not flaking out.02:36
John6000how do you`spell kubantu02:36
DalkusKubuntu :)02:36
John6000its hards to spell02:36
Brunellusnot terribly02:36
Dalkusits just Ubuntu with a K on the start :P02:36
Brunellusjust ubuntu with a K02:36
John6000im joining #kubuntu you see02:36
lunitik'to humanity'... rather than just 'humanity'02:37
eyequeueZedtech:  if you need to "restart x" you can force it by restarting gnome as root, in a terminal it would be "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" (but your mouse is now working?  if so, don't)02:37
mjtZedtech: so, does it work now?02:37
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Zedtechmjt: actually it works.02:37
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Brunellusno kidding.  "kubuntu" actually means something.02:37
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DalkusZedtech, cool :)02:37
Zedtecheyequeue: it works, but shouldnt I restart X just to test anyways?02:37
desrtkubuntu - the ancient african word for "waste of resources"02:37
mjtZedtech: so what's your problem when?02:37
Zedtechmjt: what problem?02:37
DalkusBrunellus, Does it?02:37
Zedtechmjt: I have no problems now.02:37
apokryphosIt means "towards humanity" in Bemba.02:37
lunitikBrunellus: yup... although I'm yet to figure out whether its coincidence, or if they actually looked into it  :P02:37
DalkusIsn't the Kubuntu definition on their main page the same as Ubuntu?02:37
apokryphoswas planned all along02:37
Zedtecheyequeue: should I restart X?02:38
BrunellusOK.  I'm runnign warty and mostly happy02:38
mjtZedtech: er. you come here and said you have a prob with your mouse. Now you says you don't have any probs. what's up?02:38
eyequeueZedtech:  well, if it's working, i'd recommend doing so *via* the mouse, a normal logout, and then you can type that sudo from a console (alt-ctrl-f1)02:38
apokryphosDalkus: no02:38
Brunelluswhy should I upgrade to hoary?02:38
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lunitikdesrt: funny... gnome and kde use about the same amount of resources here... except kubuntu 'feels' faster ... ie, is more responsive, and less refresh...02:38
mjtZedtech: no need to restart X if it's configured properly02:38
desrtlunitik; i mean, in terms of human resources02:38
lunitikdesrt: but I really don't want to get into a discussion about that...02:38
mjtZedtech: "properly" -- ie, it's using /dev/input/mice02:38
Brunelluslunitik:  gnome is nice.  kde is nice.  flux is fast.  :-)02:38
eyequeueBrunellus:  because you don't want to run stable, you want to test and report bugs in the next release to help it be better?02:38
desrtlunitik; coders, etc02:38
Zedtechmjt: well, you fixed my problem. The whole modprobe psmouse proto=bare fixed it02:39
Brunelluseyequeue:  ha.  so I gather hoary isn't as solid as warty has been?02:39
lunitikdesrt: why? who's to say those people would be working on GNOME if KDE wasn't around? likely they wouldn't... else they'd be involved in GNOME already.02:39
eyequeueBrunellus:  it will not be until 6 april02:39
BrunellusI still haven't apt upgraded02:39
Zedtechmjt: the mouse was moving too fast, and was clicking automatic. Basically if I moved the mouse it would drag/click things and just totally go nuts (too fast/constant clicking when I moved it [and I wasnt clicking] )02:39
Brunellusso I've got like 85 possible upgrades marked02:39
ZedtechI'd end up with 60 or 70 appliactions running just from letting the mouse scroll across the screen once02:39
lunitikdesrt: anything that can be utilized by both is colaborated on via fd.o02:39
desrtlunitik; everyone has their own opinions.  i mostly said that tongue in cheek.02:40
mjtZedtech: i guess you'd better file a bugreport - to ubuntu or kernel - about your exact configuration.  The driver isn't detecting your mouse correctly02:40
eyequeueBrunellus:  at that point, the only cages are security changes, up until then anything can break majorly each day02:40
mjtZedtech: but before that, try real ps2 mouse without all that switches/converters crap02:40
BrunellusOK. I can't afford major breakage...this is my only computer.02:40
Zedtechmjt: Eh, I think it could be the setup. Its a USB mouse with a PS/2 converter, hooked to a PS/2 based KVM Switch, which then runs from the KVM Switch to the PC.02:40
eyequeueZedtech:  btw, are you on warty or hoary?02:40
Zedtechmjt: but hell, it works now.02:40
Zedtechmjt: warty02:40
mjtZedtech: does not matter which distro really02:40
apokryphosBrunellus: Warty is a good distro, but very dated with regard to apps.02:40
Brunelluseyequeue:  if I apt upgrade-dist using the warty repos02:40
Brunelluswill I break ndiswrapper?02:41
Brunellus(I built it from source)02:41
lunitikdesrt: you should think about such comments... hackers do what they love... they could give a damn what is more popular... in KDE, the devels have more freedom to do what they want... the primary reason many are involved in it... that and Qt being accepted as easier to work with (if you know C++)02:41
Artanishm my laptop display doesnt do real fullscreen in some games like ur-quan masters or when using mplayer fullscreen mode. instead of resizing the content it just fills the rest of the screen with black02:41
mjrArtanis, that can usually be configured from the laptop BIOS02:41
desrtlunitik; i think it's probably a good idea to not talk about this :)02:41
catrlrok... i ordered 20 Ubuntu CDs almost 2 months ago, and they have not shown up yet02:42
mjtZedtech: you can also try with proto=imps2 (should work for wheel mouse) and exps, in turn.  Currently it works in "dumbiest" mode.02:42
catrlrwhat is keeping the order?02:42
eyequeueBrunellus:  okay, rewind in time a bit ehre.  did you install warty from cd and now are upgrading changes based on the security repos?  or have you changes sources.list in some way?02:42
eYeStRaInim having problems with my hotplug PCI, could anyone give me a like of the updated hotplgu PCI script02:42
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Zedtechmjt: let me hook up a standard ps2 mouse and see what we get out of it (now that this USB Laser mouse works)02:42
lunitikArtanis: in mplayer... that can be configured via /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ... it is well commented...02:42
mjtZedtech: in order to fix that permanently you have to create, say, /etc/modprobe.d/local file and place a line 'options psmouse proto=the-proto-you-found-working' (w/o quotes) into it02:42
Brunelluseyequeue:  I have changed sources.list a little02:42
eyequeueBrunellus:  effectively, what i'm asking is *why* it wants to upgrade 85 packages02:42
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kentsusaium... can u get mplayer for ubuntu?02:42
black_nightmareany of you know if ubuntu is easy to automatically do itself onto a different graphic card?02:42
Brunellusalso, I installed from CD02:42
Zedtechmjt: the standard ps/2 mouse is "Dead"02:43
Brunellusand didn't upgrade ever since.02:43
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lunitikkentsusai: yes... its in multiverse02:43
black_nightmarelike sai I shut down and pull out the agp card then put a pci one (identical chipsets) in then boot up again?02:43
mjtZedtech: you can't plug it into the running system - have to cold-reboot02:43
BrunellusI installed from CD, and when I did that, I had no 'net connection (b/c I needed to install/configure ndiswrapper)02:43
kentsusailunitik: how do I get to multiverse?02:43
Zedtechmjt: wha? thats ludacris!02:43
Zedtechmjt: hah, you want me to go ahead and try that?02:43
eyequeueBrunellus:  if you have a good number of packages installed, it could be plausible that there would be 85 security etc changes02:43
BrunellusI installed and configured ndiswrapper using the source tarball from the ndiswrapper page02:43
Brunellusthe last time I apt upgrade-dist, ndiswrapper broke, and I couldn't work out why02:44
lunitikkentsusai: add 'multiverse' to any of the lines stating 'archive.ubuntu.com'02:44
Brunellusso I had to wipe, reinstall, and rebuild ndiswrapper02:44
black_nightmarehm anyone?02:44
mjtZedtech: as you wish. i gave you all pointers, it's up to you to do something with all the info02:44
kentsusailunitik: sweet thanks!02:44
Brunelluseverybody else's advice was based on the fact that I'd have net access...which I can't have without ndiswrapper02:44
eyequeueBrunellus:  let's ask it this way, those sources.list canges you made, do any involve the word hoary or the word unstable?02:44
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Zedtechmjt: well, it works; why I need to try anything else is up to whether how curious im feeling towards playing with ubuntu.02:44
catrlryou know.... apple should make it nice and easy to port windows apps over to OS X02:44
Zedtechmjt: I will submit a bug report however.02:44
Brunellusno hoary, but an unstable, I think.  lemme check sources.list02:44
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eyequeueBrunellus:  grep unstable /etc/apt/sources.list02:45
black_nightmarethe agp card is ati rage pro [vga only]  and I want figure replacing it with a pci ati rage pro [identical except it adds tv/out] 02:45
mjtZedtech: for a bugreport to be useful, you'd better ensure it's not your converters and KVM who's crappy ;)02:45
Brunellusgot it02:45
Brunellusyes I have unstables in there02:45
Brunellusone from cerkinfo.be02:45
Brunelluswhich I got off the restricted-formats wikipage02:45
Brunellusand another for ur-quan masters (a game)02:45
eyequeueBrunellus:  okay, no clue what that is ... is it an ubuntu mirror?02:45
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mjtZedtech: filing useless bugreports is pretty like spaming. just some garbage to hide real problems under... ;)02:45
lunitikeyequeue: yes... its for lame codecs iir02:46
Brunellusit's on the ubuntu restricted-formats wiki02:46
Artanislunitik, thx that works in mplayer02:46
Brunellusthat's right.02:46
Zedtechmjt: eh, its never happened with any other linux distros (same setup)02:46
Brunellusand the other one is uqm.debian.net02:46
Zedtechmjt: and it never happened with Debian (ubuntu is based of debian isnt it?)02:46
eyequeueBrunellus:  comment out all the unstables, you will not cause anything to be removed from your system by doing so, you just can't isntall new things from those repos while commented out02:46
lunitikBrunellus: if you don't intend on encoding to mp3... don't bother with that ... its a crap site.02:46
sabmocAny Canadians here today?02:46
Brunelluslunitik:  what's so crap about it, curiously?02:46
eyequeueBrunellus:  then, run "sudo aptget update" and then see how many pacakges it wants to upgrade02:46
lunitikBrunellus: its slow.02:47
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mjtZedtech: i don't think ubuntu has real mods for the psmouse module and stuff around it.02:47
eyequeueBrunellus:  basically, those that are left are safe (and wise) to upgrade02:47
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sabmochi amundsen02:47
eyequeueBrunellus:  after doing that, you can uncomment the unstable lines if you like, and rerun sudo apt-get update, to re-enable those changes02:47
squiglyhello ubunto02:47
kentsusaiwhere do you report bugs?02:48
eyequeueBrunellus:  "update" basically says "make my sources.list changes active"02:48
amundsenwhen you insytall ubuntu linux, do you have the possibility of choosing which packages you'd like tyo install ?02:48
kentsusaithanks again lunitik :-)02:48
Zedtechamundsen: I dont believe you do. I remember just hitting next like three times and walking away.02:48
lunitikkentsusai: if you go to Applications > System Tools > Bug Report Tool ... it actually fires up Firefox, and takes you there though  :)02:48
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John6000HELP NEEDED02:49
eyequeueamundsen:  yes, typically you would use something called "synaptic" to do so (though there's many alternatives if you like)02:49
black_nightmarehey sabmoc I am...which province you from? :p02:49
lunitikJohn6000: turn caps off02:49
John6000on bootup?02:49
John6000no its off02:49
sabmocblack_nightmare, Im in BC02:49
squiglyis there web bases access to the ubunto package repository?02:49
John6000help please02:49
black_nightmaresabmoc..you're *once again* on other side of canada from me lol02:49
VjazJohn6000: stop repeating02:49
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black_nightmarejeeze..I meet so many BC people but barely any easterner people.... WHY??????02:50
John6000i need to advertise that URL02:50
maxcheedoes anyone here have any experience with qemu?02:50
catrlrcompiling source can sure take a long time02:50
lunitikJohn6000: you really don't though!02:50
Zedtechcatrlr: you aint lying02:50
sabmocblack_nightmare, hehe, you going to laugh but there are more eastern ubuntu users than western02:50
eyequeueJohn6000:  you have virtually guaranteed i will not help you by repeating and being obnoxious.  consider that before you alienate everyone else as well02:50
John6000it was crap so i got vmware it was onoffer for 20002:50
catrlrZedtech: yea it's easter02:50
Zedtechanyways, now since I have a mouse pointer, Ill be right back (time to load XChat!)02:50
catrlri dnt lie on easter02:50
catrlrjesus is watching02:50
black_nightmaresabmoc..oh...seriously?? ok ... WHO LIVES IN EAST CANADA REPORT PLEASE!!! ... hahahaha just some humor02:50
ZedtechBe right Back02:50
jas_MHzon ./configure my "C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" -- why ??02:50
John6000i knowo02:51
sabmocblack_nightmare, check this out https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam02:51
maxcheeJohn6000: are you trying to complile the cvs version?02:51
John6000del c++ and get VB02:51
lunitikJohn6000: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html02:51
black_nightmarelol ok sabmoc :p02:51
catrlrcuz it's not sane jas_MHz02:51
John6000its just i dowloaded the ready made installer iso02:51
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eyequeueBrunellus:  are you okay there?02:51
lunitikJohn6000: read that, and come back showing you learned something from it... thanks02:51
maxcheeJohn6000: how slow is it? (?x slowdown)02:52
eruinanyone got metisse?02:52
catrlrjas_MHz: type 'emac' in the terminal window, and then hit esc then type x (you may not see anything at first) then type in 'doctor'02:52
John6000oh yeah qemu is slow02:52
catrlrand state the problem there02:52
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John6000get the accelorator addon for it02:52
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mjtcatrlr: s/emac/emacs/02:52
eyequeuecatrlr:  s/emac/emacs/ ;)02:52
catrlrJohn6000 is qemu a virtual machine02:52
maxcheeJohn6000: by what factor does it slow the OS down?02:52
catrlryea emacs02:52
catrlrwhat ever02:52
eyequeueor what mjt said, lol02:52
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John6000like vmware02:52
catrlris it a virtual machine02:53
John6000like vmware02:53
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maxcheeJohn6000: especially with the use of kqemu02:53
sabmocemacs rocks02:53
catrlrwell that would explain the slowness02:53
John6000mmmmmmmmmmm ... . . .emaces ....mmmmmmmm02:53
maxcheesabmoc: there might be vi fans out there...02:53
catrlrit tends to have performance issues02:53
John6000whats emacs?02:53
mjtJohn6000: so you're havng probs when trying to boot it under qemu/wmvare/whatever?02:53
catrlrJohn6000 type it02:53
catrlrit's an editor02:53
AnJellyCuelol John600002:53
catrlrlike pico02:53
eyequeuetext editor ( + kitchen sink )02:53
jas_MHzI don't have emacs installed I'm more of a vi guy -- but seriously how can I fix my configure -- or where to look for next step ??02:54
Brunelluseyequeue: sorry had to run off and attend to stuff02:54
eyequeues/pico/nano/ please02:54
maxcheecatrlr: emacs <> pico02:54
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AnJellyCuei just use mightnight commander,   simple to use02:54
eyequeueBrunellus:  just dind't want to leave you hanging02:54
catrlrjas_MHz install emacs02:54
maxcheecatrlr: it is far more featureful02:54
sabmocI like nano, or emacs02:54
NeoCicakhas anyone ever installed beagle in ubuntu?02:54
catrlrwell yea,02:54
sabmocyou can keep the rest02:54
Brunellusmy main issue upgrading is whether or not it will break ndiswrapper02:54
catrlrbut still02:54
Brunelluswhich I didn't install via apt/dpkg02:54
eyequeuepico == non-free and kind of offends my sensibilities in this channel :)02:54
catrlrthey basically do the same thing02:54
mjt"Ok, now we have emacs.  How about writing a text editor?"02:54
maxcheenow, have anyone in this chatroom tried qemu with the accelerator module?02:54
sabmocactually, abiword, nano, or emacs02:54
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lunitikBrunellus: if you don't upgrade kernel... you shouldn't see anything strange...02:54
katzmjt: hi02:54
katzmjt: it booted!02:55
mjtabiword is NOT A TEXT EDITOR!02:55
maxcheeJohn6000: how does it compare with the real thing?02:55
John6000you need linux V of qemu to use accerlotor02:55
jas_MHzwhy will emacs help me fix my ./ cpp sanity problem ??02:55
Brunelluswill an apt upgrade-dist touch my kernel at all?02:55
sabmocmjr, its a word processor02:55
BigIslandVegananybody know about evolution for linux?02:55
AnJellyCueBrunellus.  shouldnt02:55
maxcheeJohn6000: I am using linux and running qemu with kqemu trying to install win2k02:55
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catrlrok... i want someone to develope the best virtual machine for Linux that emualtes windows, with minimum speed decrease02:55
Vjazsomebody kickban John600002:55
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catrlrthat would be sexy02:55
sabmocman its like total chaos in here02:55
katzmjt: and immediately it told me that there's an inconsistency on /dev/md0 and it gave me a login prompt for maintenance.  WHat was the command again?02:55
lunitikmaxchee: any virtualized environment is going to suffer because the host OS is still demanding resources...02:55
eyequeuesabmoc:  i know abiword is typicaly a frontend to latex and the like, but does it also have some save-as-text mode or something?02:55
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linus_trovalusokey dokey02:56
catrlri want to play Steam02:56
catrlrand what not02:56
BigIslandVeganhow do you specify a server port in evolution?02:56
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maxcheelunitik: I expect slow down. I just need to know how much02:56
mjtkatz: which inconsistency?02:56
sabmoceyequeue, I think you have abiword mixed up with something else02:56
Brunellusso an apt upgrade-dist shouldn't touch my kernel, right?02:56
Uscfanhey everyon i just insalled hoary and i am running inti quite a few problems02:56
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mjtkatz: in the filesystem, or in the raid array?02:56
Zedtechmjt, does unbuntu come with mount support for NTFS drives?02:56
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Uscfanfirst of all, i cannnot run any programs at all, i cannot do sudo passwd root, and a ton of other crap02:57
AnJellyCueBrunellus.  It shouldnt touch the kernal :)02:57
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Uscfanfirst of all, i cannnot run any programs at all, i cannot do sudo passwd root, and a ton of other crap02:57
Roeymjt: at the "enter root password for maintenance" prompt02:57
mjtkatz: btw, in order to boot you don't need md0 (/boot), you only need md1 (your root fs)02:57
lunitikmaxchee: via qemu? its rather slow... enless you have a very new computer... it is next to unusable... AMD Athlon 2400 640 RAM here... and it was annoyingly slow.02:57
eyequeueBrunellus:  you mean "dist-upgrade" and it will only effect packages that are the same name as you have isntalled, basically .... meaning, if you have "kernel2.4.2' it would never install 'kernel2.8.45' (which doesn't exist, but you get the idea)02:57
kpetersoncan anyone assist me in setting up vsftpd? I have followed several online guides/tutorials, but have not been successful.02:57
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Roeymjt: you gave command to --scan and rebuild some array02:57
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mjtRoey: aha, so it actually mounted your root!02:57
Roeymjt: YES! it worked!02:57
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maxcheelunitik: with the accelerator module?02:57
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maxcheelunitik: ie. cvs version?02:58
eyequeueBrunellus:  but IF there is an upgrade to a pacakge named the same as your isntalled kernel, that upgrade would be installed02:58
mjtZedtech: no idea re ntfs.02:58
Roeymjt: of course I was using the wrong kernel and all (not the kosher ubuntu one but my own custom one) but still02:58
sabmocblack_nightmare, did you check out the CanadianUsers section? its 4 to 6 west vs east :)02:58
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Uscfanfirst of all, i cannnot run any programs at all, i cannot do sudo passwd root, and a ton of other crap Pasword: postdrop:warning unable to lookup public/pickup: No such file or directory"02:58
Roeymjt: all kernels were messed up.02:58
black_nightmaresabmoc..yeah yeah I noticed :p02:58
Uscfani get errors alot02:58
john6000/me ubuntu02:58
Uscfananyone know what to do???02:58
lunitikmaxchee: was the Debian version... about 4 months ago  :/02:58
Zedtechmjt, All I need is read-only access to an NTFS drive (most of them can do that..) I'll try it out02:58
eyequeueBrunellus:  btw, "dist-"upgrade is less safe than a straight "upgrade" in that regard02:58
mjtZedtech: kernel have support for ntfs02:58
Roeymjt: I apt-got reinstalled kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, and it rebuilt the initrd.img for that kernel as well (and I mounted it and I saw that loadmodules does specify via_sata)02:58
Zedtechmjt, I'm running a apt-get dist-upgrade (should be done)02:58
Brunelluseyequeue:  it's marking linux-headers for upgrade02:58
Uscfanjohn stop spamming or you will prolly get kicked02:58
lunitikUscfan: let us see the error... paste here: pastebin.com02:58
ZedtechI'll let you know in a few02:58
Roeymake it stop!!!!!!!!!!!02:58
Brunelluskickban time.02:58
maxcheelunitik: that's probably a 5x slow down...02:58
Zedtechmjt, I plan to reboot and find my music02:58
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Roeymjt: what was the command?02:59
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sabmocblack_nightmare, basically we're going to offer a less intimidating support group for users, tie into the canadian lug scene, try to promote ubuntu in canada, have a users-only planet style blog (should be a lot of fun).02:59
eyequeueBrunellus:  beward of that "dist-" it will make radical changes02:59
Roeymjt: (I saved the log of the channel but your first few posts escaped it)02:59
catrlri need a three button mouse02:59
black_nightmaresabmoc hehe :-)02:59
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catrlrthat would be nice02:59
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BrunellusOK.  a regular upgrade still marks the kernel headers for upgrade03:00
eyequeueBrunellus:  btw, may i make a suggestion for you?03:00
Wildthingmmm anyone see that autopackage thing on slashdot?03:00
Brunellusgo on eyequeue03:00
Roeymjt: I will BRB.  Rebooting now into the correct ubuntu kernel.03:00
eyequeueBrunellus:  what is the exact name of the "critical" package you want to be careful about?  "ndiswrapper"?03:01
mjtZedtech: ntfs support is in kernel. dunno if ubuntu kernel turns that option on, you can see that in modules dir (ntfs.ko or something)03:01
Brunellusyes.  it's not a package.03:01
Zedtechmjt, it has it but I cant seem to locate "hdd" on my machine.03:01
BrunellusI built it from the source. I didn't use a .deb03:01
Brunellustherefore, apt doesn't touch/know about it.03:01
Zedtechmjt, its been awhile since i've ran linux :( I'm trying to remember all this fun stuff (such as a device listing, or hard-drive listing)03:01
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lunitikBrunellus: you didn't even fetch it via ndiswrapper-source .deb?03:01
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Uscfanits a php debugger???03:02
Uscfanthere you are03:02
Brunelluslunitik:  no.  I had NO net access03:02
eyequeueBrunellus:  i'm going to recommend "sudo apt-get install dpkg-repack" and then you can run that to make a "safe" copy of that in your /root directoryt, that you can re-install IF somehow you manage to lose net connectivity (and i'll tell you how to do both)03:02
lunitikUscfan: don't repeat03:02
BrunellusI had a tar which I had on my usb flashdrive, and I built it from that.03:02
Uscfanlunitik: k03:02
NeoCicakanyone? has ever installed beagle in ubuntu?03:02
lunitikUscfan: you need to restart... boot to rescue mode, and add yourself to /etc/sudoers03:02
sabmocNeoCicak, lots of people have03:02
Brunelluseyequeue:  I don't follow you.03:02
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sabmocNeoCicak, have you seen the guide?03:02
moominskiahh i finally find some ubunto user hello al03:03
NeoCicaksabmoc: whereabout?03:03
Uscfanlunitik: so waht is that oproblem though? thjat happened in the install as well03:03
lunitikUscfan: just follow the same format as is in there already, replacing 'root' with your current user...03:03
BigIslandVeganIs there some way to specify pop and imap server ports in Evolution?  I don't see it03:03
eyequeueBrunellus:  sudo dpkg-repack foo (whatever the pacakge basename) and you have foo_1.23.deb, and later you can "sudo dpkg -i foo_1.223.deb"03:03
sabmocNeoCicak, on the wiki, do a search for beagle03:03
NeoCicaksabmoc: ok.. thx!03:03
Uscfanok i will give it a worl03:03
Brunelluseyequeue:  once again, i did NOT use a .deb03:03
sabmocNeoCicak, make sure you use the right guide, there is one for hoary and one for warty03:03
lunitikUscfan: default user wasn't added to /etc/sudoers03:03
NeoCicaksabmoc: thx!03:03
black_nightmaresorry if I'm spamming again to anyone who was here before but..... any idea on directly swapping an agp card for identical pci one?  both being identical chipsets03:03
sabmocNeoCicak, :)03:04
black_nightmareI'll shut up now03:04
Uscfanand so after ading myself to the sudoers i will be able to change root password and this might go away???03:04
eyequeueBrunellus:  if yo';re afraid it will overwrite pacakge foo ... useful safety measure, but only if you have dpkg-repack isntalled ........ looks like it's of no use to yu here, sorry03:04
Wildthinganyone try out autopackage?03:04
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eyequeueBrunellus:  i don't look at the screen as i type, sorry03:04
Brunelluswhat I can't work out for the life of me is why ndiswrapper isn't included in the distro in the first place03:04
lunitikUscfan: thats the first issue...03:04
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Uscfanlunitik: ok any ideas on the others CRAP i just booted regular, one sec03:05
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bitarhey all...03:05
lunitikUscfan: also... are you trying to use a network login?03:05
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eyequeueBrunellus:  i don't use it, but ... let me see if i can help you anyway?03:05
maxcheewhat is the purpose of /usr/local ?03:05
Brunellusall of this unpleasantness might have been avoided if I could have just used an available ndiswrapper.deb on the CD.03:05
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Brunelluseyequeue:  fine.03:05
Uscfanlunitik: no just dhcp over wireles, its a broadcom card onboard03:05
bitari'm currently downloading : ubuntu/iso/4.10/warty-release-install-i386.iso03:05
jas_MHzZedtech : try $ cat /proc/pci  - $ ls /proc - for list of others things to cat - and $ fdisk -l03:05
bitaris it bootable?03:06
lunitikmaxchee: /usr/local is for software that local users will administer...03:06
eyequeueBrunellus:  you said you built it from scratch.  and you're now (understandably) wary of overwriting it on an upgrade03:06
Zedtechjas_MHz, thx :-) but I got it03:06
lunitikmaxchee: usually used for things you compile yourself03:06
Uscfanits a darn good thing i have more than one comp03:06
catrlr:-\... i found my old microsoft wireless mouse.... but seemingly i cnt find the receiver03:06
Brunelluseyequeue: correct03:06
black_nightmarelol uscfan..I'm kinda wishing for that right now ... blah03:06
Brunellusfrom what I understand, I had to build ndiswrapper against the kernel headers03:06
moominskican any1 help get xmms workin??03:06
Brunellusif the kernel-headers change, it breaks ndiswrapper.  I know this from experience.03:06
eyequeueBrunellus:  IF you inadvertantly manage to break it, by overwriting or whatever, do you have all of the necessary items on your box now to recreate what you did to build it in the first place?03:06
lunitikmoominski: nvidia drivers? or not playing mp3?03:07
Uscfanlunitik: ok i have etc/sudoers open and i should duplucate Root ALL=(ALL) ALL with my username instead?03:07
Brunelluseyequeue:  theoretically.  but the last time I tried, I couldn't03:07
Zedtechyou know whats ticking me off right now? "mount: error while guessing filesystem type; mount: you must specifiy the filesystem type"03:07
lunitikUscfan: yes03:07
ZedtechI specify ntfs and it tells me i'm wrong :(03:07
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Uscfanit says warning, changing readonly file03:07
BrunellusI ended up just junking the whole damn thing, and reinstalling, and rebuilding the sucker from scratch *again*03:07
Uscfando i ned to chmod it first????03:07
eyequeueBrunellus:  i'm not saying it's ideal, but i'm trying to prevent you from being completely screwed vs just majorly hassled03:07
Tekmavenhey guys03:07
lunitikUscfan: you went in via rescue mode?03:07
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Tekmavenanyone running amd64 with an ATI card?03:07
Uscfanlunitik: yes i did03:07
lunitikUscfan: ie, ESC during boot... choose rescue...03:08
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black_nightmarenot me sorry tek.. running ati and i686 [and the hell pondering how to swap it] 03:08
maxcheelunitik: also, does it make any difference to compile software over root instead of sudo03:08
lunitikblah... ok... just ':wq!' when you're done.03:08
moominskilunitik: not playin mp3?03:08
black_nightmareamd64 is quite nice..just not my type and budget yet03:08
Uscfanlunitik: i selected rescue mode from the grub loader03:08
Brunelluseyequeue:  yeah, understood.03:08
Brunellusat the moment, I would *like* to upgrade.  security, etc03:08
lunitikmoominski: what is your issue with xmms?03:08
Brunellusbut being off the net would make this computer a doorstop.03:08
lunitikmoominski: those are the most common..03:08
arbeckwhen i try to use cdrecord, i get this error message: Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...03:09
Brunellusand loss of connectivity is a major hassle.03:09
Zedtechno fat support in the kernel?03:09
Tekmavenwell, whenever i run xorg with the fglrx driver, the kernel panics03:09
Uscfanno fat support?!03:09
NeoCicakwhat is meant by "indexed" filesystem? isn't it done by ext3 automatically? is it different from journalling filesystem?03:09
eyequeueBrunellus:  okay, approximately how many pacakges do you have pending upgrade after getting all the unstable commented out?03:09
Uscfanjesus that is ghetto03:09
moominskiok it wont start wen i select in aplications03:09
maxcheeZedtech: fat is supported03:09
maxcheeZedtech: use fat or vfat03:09
Zedtech-t vfat is all I can work with03:09
eyequeueBrunellus:  i can walk you through a workaround that's safe03:09
Zedtech-t fat doesntw ork03:09
HarryBahlsspeaking of AMD64, is it worth the move or stick with Intel (looking to upgrade my box)?03:09
maxcheeZedtech: vfat=fat3203:09
Uscfanlunitik: did you get that? I booted rescue mode from the grub loader03:09
ZedtechI know03:09
ZedtechI know03:09
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Roeymjt:  hi03:09
Zedtechmaxchee, I'm having more problems with my NTFS drives03:09
Roeymjt:  OK... er... I tried the following:03:09
TekmavenHarryBahls: AMD64 > Intel ;-)03:10
maxcheeZedtech: captive ntfs?03:10
black_nightmareharry..I'll say amd64 -- seeing how the pentium's throttles back often03:10
lunitikZedtech: vfat is FAT 32 ... its what Microsoft calls it.03:10
Roeymjt:  apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic ; reboot03:10
Roeymjt:  and when I selected this kernel I get:03:10
Zedtechmaxchee, no idea. I just know its NTFS.03:10
Zedtechmaxchee, Im retarded at fs types03:10
eyequeueBrunellus:  this is easiest if you ave a working mouse, or the ability to cut/paste some other way (such as screen(1) )03:10
Brunellushang on a second.03:10
Uscfanlunitik: should i change the permisions of sudoers???03:10
lunitikUscfan: NO!!03:10
maxcheeZedtech: install captive ntfs to add full ntfs support to linux03:10
Brunellusugh.  eyequeue, never mind.03:10
Uscfanlunitik: lmao, the nwhat to do!?!? its ---r-----03:11
BrunellusI really can't be bothered to risk breaking the computer today03:11
Uscfani mean, -r--r-----03:11
Brunellusmaybe tomorrow.03:11
Tekmaventhis really sucks too03:11
Uscfanr e a d   o n l y03:11
maxcheeZedtech: captive ntfs is a wrapper that allows you to use the ntfs "driver" from win2k on linux03:11
lunitikUscfan: you trailed wq with an !?03:11
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Tekmaveni wait like 4-5 months for ATI to support amd64 linux03:11
Tekmavenand then the driver dont freeking work ;-)03:11
Uscfanno ma'am03:11
eyequeueBrunellus:  you have a lsit of things it wants to upgrade, we'll say "foo bar linux-headers baz qux" .... type this command: "sudo apt-get install foo bar baz qux" (noting te ommision of linux-headers)03:11
lunitikUscfan: should overwrite perms03:11
Zedtechmaxchee, oh that; i've worked with that before. (Sorry, its been awhile since I've used any nix distrobution). I may just go ahead and do that; but before I do that, any idea on why mount keeps telling me that im specifying the wrong fs type? (mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/bigdrive; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock)03:11
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lunitikUscfan: type :wq! when done... I already told you that.03:11
Uscfanlunitik: ok i am not familiar withthis edirtor, i use vi on fedora and its a bit diferent03:12
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mjtRoey: you have several mins before i will go to bed.03:12
Uscfanill try again03:12
maxcheeZedtech: are you sure it's ntfs?03:12
eyequeueBrunellus:  if it wants to force linux-headers, one of those others is needing it, so do that list smaller, omitting half at a time, seeing which one forces it and just leaving it out03:12
lunitikUscfan: its the exact same editor.03:12
Roeymjt:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCvGgc35.html03:12
Roeymjt:  I got that erorr.03:12
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eyequeueBrunellus:  get the genereal idea, for whatever day you want to do it?03:12
black_nightmarebbl for a while..hope ubuntu picks up the new video source03:12
Roeymjt:  after I did 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic ; reboot'03:12
usualI may get Verizon DSL inplace of my cable modem service, What is involved in using ubuntu with verizon dsl03:12
Uscfanlunitik: sudoers written, time to reeeeboooot03:12
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Brunellusyeah, I've got the idea eyequeue03:13
Zedtechmaxchee, I just want to get to my music03:13
maxcheeZedtech: ubuntu kernel might not have ntfs support. It doesn't matter anyways, since the kernel only includes an RO driver03:13
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lunitikRoey: self-compiled kernel?03:13
eyequeueBrunellus:  cool, guaranteed to work safely, if you're careful before saying yes :)03:13
maxcheeZedtech: just install captive ntfs and be done with it03:13
Uscfanubuntu kernel can read NTFS im quite sure, but almost no kernels can write to NTFS without the patch03:13
Zedtechmaxchee, Its supposedly in there. I may just go get captive ntfs.03:13
lunitikUscfan: yay  :)03:13
Roeylunitik:  no, this is ubuntu's own.03:13
BukkakeHow do I move a file again? mv? heh..03:13
Zedtechmaxchee, I'll be back, I'm going to go setup captive ntfs03:13
Uscfanbukkake: yes03:13
Roeylunitik:  I just ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-ubuntu03:13
Uscfanmv <file> <desired directory>03:14
Roeylunitik:  I even checked apt-cache policy on it to make sure it wasn't my file03:14
lunitikcalc: any issue with 2.6.10 kernel there?03:14
eruin"A photograph of a field of long dry savanna grass as your desktop background... where the grass is gently swooshed around by a breeze created by moving your mouse across the background" *drool*03:14
eyequeueBukkake:  mv cp ls and rm are common commands that you'll use often03:14
Roeymjt:  what was the command to execute at the system maintenance prompt? you gave it earlier in the beginning03:14
calclunitik: huh?03:14
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usualwhat do I need to know about using ubuntu with a DSL provider?03:14
Uscfanlunitil: rebooted. here we go! also, i have an external monitor and when booting all the boot messages appear on both, but ubuntu with the gui displays on the external, hopefully there is a way to change this???03:14
robertjmako: I'm reading your talk notes, I was wondering, has the pope been hired by Canonical as well?03:15
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robertjHe does seem like a good measure for usability testing03:15
lunitikcalc: on AMD64 box... having any issue with 2.6.10-5-amd64?03:15
eyequeueusual:  basically, if they use dhcp or ppoe to issue you your ip address, etc03:15
Uscfanlunitik: Could not look up internet address for michael. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It my be possible to fix this problem but adding michael to the file /etc/hosts03:15
Uscfanthats the error iget every time i login03:15
usualeyequeue: they use ppoe03:15
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lunitikUscfan: gah... you changed the hostname since install?03:16
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Uscfanlunitik: no, i have not03:16
Roeymjt:  (hello?)03:16
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eyequeueusual:  all of my experience has been with dhcp, so i'm no help there, but someone will be.  basically you eed that package isntalled and configured properly, after that it's all automatic03:16
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cleit0nhey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP03:16
Uscfanlunitik: same problem with sudo, shouold i change hostname otr something else, i thinkl that is the root of all my evils03:16
Uscfanplease excuse the crappy typing03:16
calclunitik: no03:16
mjtRoey: is that all? Nothing betwen "starting" and "pivot_root" ?03:17
lunitikUscfan: bah... well... define 'micheal' in /etc/hosts (that may be the wrong way around though)03:17
NeoCicakhello.. how to clean up the list that's downloaded by apt-get update?03:17
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mjtRoey: as you see, your kernel worked better... ;)03:17
Roeymjt:  yep.03:17
lunitikcalc: bah... heh... thanks  :)03:17
Roeymjt:  heh03:17
calclunitik: works fine for me, though i haven't rebooted in a week03:17
Uscfanill change hostname to localhost03:17
Roeymjt:  but it used to be the case that the ubuntu stock kernel at least booted.03:17
lunitikcalc: haha... could be why... I don't recommend rebooting for a while  ;)03:17
Pizbit /etc/hosts is: ip names03:17
Uscfandamnit you have to be root03:17
moominskiany1 no any good website on customizin ubuntu??03:17
Roeymjt:  what was that command you gave me earlier to get mdadm to see /dev/md0?03:17
sigmoominski: http://ubuntuguide.org03:17
eyequeueUscfan: michael othername somethirdname evenanother name :)  you just need to start with the number03:17
lunitikPizbit: it defines simular to DNS, but locally.03:17
ZedtechWell captive ntfs works03:18
ZedtechIm happy03:18
Pizbitlunitik: I know03:18
ZedtechI'll be back in a bit, I need to add a few more drives to this machine.03:18
Tekmavenhow would i mount another partition so all users can rw it?03:18
lunitikPizbit: ahh... seemed to you kinda disagreeing...03:18
eyequeueUscfan:  you might (might) even get away with listing both the original name and the new name (not sure)03:18
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Pizbitlunitik: I was pointing out the format for entries within the file03:18
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Uscfano m f g ~~ i cannot edit the /etc/hosts directoty do i need to go back into recovery?????!?!?!03:18
Tekmaveni can mount it in my fstab, but its only accessable wehn i sudo03:18
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lunitikPizbit: ohh... I've been up for too long... don't mind me  :P03:19
veristeadhey has anyone gotten wine to compile from source on Warty03:19
Uscfanopsie /etc/hosts file***03:19
calcif it is a kernel problem then just get 2.6.10-2803:19
eyequeueUscfan:  preface the edit command with a sudo, like sudo gedit /etc/hosts03:19
Roey why do birds.. suddenly appear... 03:19
calcthat appears to be the version i must be running03:19
mjtRoey: it's again the prob with initrd. now it does not load anything (at least not says it's loading something) at all. i think now you know how to inspect what it does.  I don't know how it all works in ubuntu/debian (i use my own stuff for booting).  I suggest you to go with your kernel first, as your initrd worked correctly.03:19
cleit0nhey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP03:19
lunitikveristead: why not use the wine in universe?03:19
Uscfansudo does not work, that is why i am having these problemso03:19
NeoCicakcould anyone tell me how to clear up the list downloaded by apt-get?03:19
Roeymjt:  ok, and what was the command again?03:19
veristeadlunitik cuz it can't install the dependencies03:19
eyequeueRoey:  annoying maybe, but please tell me how you did that karen carpenter, heh03:19
robertjUscfan: does not work?03:19
PizbitUscfan: What error message does it give you? If any03:20
lunitikRoey: ahh... you were the one with kernel issues right? ... have you tried -28?  probably a good reason the versioning is that high...03:20
Uscfansudo gives errors03:20
Roeymjt:  here:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html03:20
lunitikveristead: ? mm... thats the point of apt...03:20
eyequeueUscfan:  are you using your user password, not a root password there?03:20
mjtRoey: speaking of your previous attempt with your kernel.  Please look carefully what it does - whenever it assembles md0 or if there are any errors (cat /proc/mdstat to show state of your raid arrays)03:20
Roeylunitik:  what's in -28?03:20
Roeylunitik:  mine is -3103:20
Uscfani bleieve it is becuase of hostname, so i will either change hostname to localhost or add my curent hostname into the /etc/hosts03:20
veristeadi tried that03:20
calcRoey: that is the one i am running apparently and which works at least without raid03:20
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Uscfaneyequeue: there is no root password, one second, i will reboot into recovery03:21
robertjUscfan: My guess would be that localhost is not pointing to
robertjYour machine should always be reachable via localhsot03:21
PizbitUscfan: Just adding your hostname to the line will work, eg I have: localhost.localdomain localhost Yogi03:21
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Roeynvidia has prbolems.03:21
cleit0nhey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP03:21
eyequeueUscfan:  a quick warning, you DO want "" and "localhost" on the same line, but can add anything else after that03:21
veristeadveristead@ubuntu:~/Desktop/wine-20050310 $ sudo apt-get install Wine03:21
veristeadReading Package Lists... Done03:21
veristeadBuilding Dependency Tree... Done03:21
veristeadE: Couldn't find package Wine03:21
lunitikrobertj: negative... localhost is a definition in /etc/hosts ... if you remove the line... localhost won't work.03:21
mjtRoey: there may be pretty some noise from kernel md stuff - scroll with Shift-PgUp03:21
Roeymjt:  you posted this michael03:21
arnaudhow to deal with daylight saving time automatically ??03:21
crimsunveristead: case-sensitive, use "wine" not "Wine"03:22
Pizbitveristead: Enable universe03:22
veristeadso then i downloaded the source03:22
Roeymjt:  you posted this set of mdadm commands earlier03:22
Roeymjt:  what the heck was it? :)03:22
crimsunRoey: pong03:22
lunitikveristead: 'wine' ... case sensitive03:22
Uscfanok during installation i changed the hostname to michael, and now i get tons of errors, so should i change myt hostname to localhost, or add my current hostname to the /etc/hosts?03:22
robertjlunitik: I know, I meant that you shouldn't remove it03:22
Roeycrimsun:  hi!!!!03:22
mjtRoey: the command to assemble array: mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md003:22
Roeycrimsun:   03:22
Roeymjt:  OK03:22
veristeadveristead@ubuntu:~/Desktop/wine-20050310 $ sudo apt-get install wine03:22
veristeadReading Package Lists... Done03:22
veristeadBuilding Dependency Tree... Done03:22
veristeadPackage wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:22
veristeadThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:22
veristeadis only available from another source03:22
veristeadE: Package wine has no installation candidate03:22
Pizbitveristead: Stop spamming us.03:22
lunitikveristead: had universe is enabled?03:22
mjtRoey: add --auto=md to create the mdX device if it complains about "unable to open /dev/mdX: no such file or directory"03:22
veristeadi believe it is03:23
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lunitikveristead: don't guess... go check03:23
veristeadwait how do  i check that03:23
Roeymjt:  yes it dos say taht03:23
Uscfanmain question: add current hostname to /etc/hosts OR change hostname to localhost03:23
Roeymjt:  do you have to give it once only or every time?03:23
Roeymjt:  (every time you boot up)03:23
Pizbitveristead: This page explains how to enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:23
mjtRoey: if it can't assemble/mount your mdX *after* mounting root, it will be the same with any kernel03:23
Roeycrimsun:  ok, I get this pivot_root error when I start up ubuntu kernel03:23
cleit0nalguem ai usa xorg e pode me ajudar com esse erro:, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP03:23
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Uscfanmeh ill just change hostname03:23
Pizbitcleit0n: Why don't you check out http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ?03:24
arnaudhey ppl, how to deal with daylight saving time automatically ??03:24
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LifesizeKenDollsomething fishy has happened to distrowatch!03:24
lunitikcleit0n: tu habla ingles?03:24
robertjUscfan: but yeah, you may need to go into single user mode03:24
Uscfanrobertj: ??? explain03:24
PizbitUscfan: If it's what we think it is, just adding it to the end of the line saying: should be all you need.03:24
mjtRoey: sure there's a way to do it automatically ;)  I'm just not sure what's the best "Ubunto way" to do it with udev+mdadm.03:24
cleit0nlunitik: no good03:24
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cleit0nlunitik:  hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP03:24
robertjUscfan: my _guess_ is that localhost is not in /etc/hosts03:24
Uscfanmy /etc/hosts file reads localhost03:24
Uscfanso i wil change my hostname to localhost03:24
PizbitUscfan: Reboot, hit ESC when grub is mentioned and select the rescue mode03:25
mjtRoey: you can modify /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid to include --auto=md in the $MDADM -A line03:25
Uscfani am in rescue mode righ now03:25
lunitikcleit0n: what keymap are you trying to use?03:25
sigLifesizeKenDoll: what is fishy about the site?03:25
Uscfani am rebooting one sec03:25
PizbitAhh, and it doesn't like you? Nasty >.<03:25
mjtRoey: but it isn't a best way really03:25
Roeymjt:  ok03:25
mjtRoey: (btw, -A == --assemble - man mdadm)03:25
cleit0nlunitik: br03:25
robertjI think changing it to read michael localhost might work better03:26
Roeymjt:  ok03:26
robertjyou can have multiple names for the machine on a single line03:26
Uscfanok well i changed hostname, if this doesnt work i will do that03:26
Uscfanand revert to older hostname03:26
Roeycrimsun, mjt: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCvGgc35.html03:26
mjtRoey: in theory that --auto should be here in the first place.  I just don't use udev so i leave it as is03:26
robertjuscfan: while in single user mode set the passwd to root03:26
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Roeymjt:  ok03:26
robertjthen you can just su root if you need to03:26
LifesizeKenDollsig, Debian is now #1, Ubuntu-Fedora-Gentoo-etc is nowhere to be seen03:26
PizbitUscfan: Ok, make sure the line has: localhost YOURHOSTNAME03:26
robertjnothing wrong iwth having a root password if you don't abuse it03:26
cleit0nlunitik: xkbrules "xorg"03:26
sigLifesizeKenDoll: who cares03:26
cleit0nlunitik: xkbmodel "abnt2"03:27
Guilmonsig: been a long time since I've seen you.03:27
Guilmonsig: how is the wife?03:27
Uscfanso my etc/hosts file should read localhost michael03:27
veristeadyes universe is enabled03:27
sigwhats up03:27
cleit0nlunitik: xkblayout "br"03:27
Roeymjt:  looks like this currently:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/uXiChD45.html03:27
robertjUscfan: yeah but I would put michael firt03:27
mjtRoey: the problem here is classical chicken-n-eggs prob: mdadm needs /dev/mdX device node to assemble the array, but that node gets created only AFTER the array gets assembled.  With udev anyway.03:27
robertjerr first03:27
cleit0nlunitik: xkbvariant "abnt2"03:27
LifesizeKenDollsig, I dunno, Ubuntu was 3 days away to getting #103:27
Guilmonsig: I bought a laptop, and only linux supports this wireless card well ;)03:27
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Roeymjt:  is there a normal distribution that hanldes this OK?03:28
Uscfanrobertj: ok, any thoughts pizbit03:28
robertjsome stupid apps check for the hostname by reading htat file03:28
Zedtechmjr: question. I rebooted and I had to rerun sudo rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare; modprobe psmouse proto=bare03:28
Roeymjt:  LILO doens't work for me.  If it did, I'd pitch this initrd thing and just compile the drivers into the kernel.03:28
Zedtecher mjt :-x03:28
PizbitUscfan: Try adding 'single' to one of the boot lines and changing the file to read as I suggested.03:28
mjtRoey: that's why mdadm now have --auto=md option, to work around this -- it tells mdadm to create the node by its own03:28
Zedtechanyway to load that command at boot?03:28
Uscfanim asuming that grub on warty is good looking, on this <hoary> its really fugly03:28
Roeymjt:  ok.03:28
crimsunUscfan: if you have to stare at grub a lot, something's wrong.03:28
Uscfanno i dont, just its black and white03:29
Roeymjt:  ok, so I added --auto=md to each entry there03:29
mjtRoey: this all has absolutely nothing to do with lilo. you can do the same with any boot loader03:29
Uscfanand i think in warty its colorful with a nice logo and stuff03:29
Pizbitcrimsun: I look at grub everynight...03:29
Roeymjt:  nono I have issues with lilo and amd64 kernels (I think it's a motherboard thing)03:29
Roeymjt:  with/without raid, same thing03:29
crimsunPizbit: do you purposefully turn off your computer though? :)03:29
Pizbitcrimsun: *cough*pun*cough*03:29
Roeymjt:  but anyway, getting backto that question:  I added --auto=md to each entry there03:29
cleit0nlunitik: help me03:29
crimsunPizbit: heh03:30
mjtRoey: i mean you can compile your modules into kernel with any boot loader03:30
Uscfanok my /etc/hosts file now reads: michael localhost03:30
mjtRoey: not to each "entry"03:30
Roeymjt:  ok03:30
PizbitUscfan: Yay!:)03:30
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robertjUscfan: did you set your root pass?03:30
robertjso you don't have to reboot if this breaks it?03:30
mjtRoey: there's only ONE line -- $MDADM -A -s03:30
Uscfanroberyj: i need to be able to sudo in order to use root pass, and basically everytrhing is foobar03:31
Roeymjt:  then where? (in mdadm.conf)03:31
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mjtRoey: ugh-blah. When you will learn to damn *read*?03:31
lunitikUscfan: in rescue mode, you ARE root... just 'passwd'03:31
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kpetersonCan someone help me set up VSFTPD?  I have followed several online guides but keep running into problems...03:31
linuxn00bHey :) synaptic no longer opens in hoary03:31
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lunitikUscfan: it's technically single user mode... simular to Windows...03:32
mjt< mjt> Roey: you can modify /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid to include --auto=md in the $MDADM -A line03:32
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Uscfanlunitik: please explain this single user mode stuff03:32
robertjUscfan: that's why its called single user mode, you have one user who has no restrictions03:32
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Roeymjt:  aaaaaaaaaaaaah03:32
robertjlunitik: not really03:32
PizbitUscfan: Now the question is, how the heck did you wind up without it there?:)03:32
Zedtechis there a KDE available for Ubuntu? (something prepacketed? apt-get worthy?)03:32
Uscfanok no more problems03:32
Roeymjt: heh, ung-blah :)03:33
lunitikrobertj: do you have a boot loader password?03:33
membreyaZedtech: kubuntu03:33
Uscfanomfg thank you all so much03:33
mjtZedtech: i answered that your q already, right when that stuff has been discussed03:33
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PizbitZedtech: It's in universe, and then there's Kubuntu03:33
mjtZedtech: and btw, i'm mjt, not mjr ;)03:33
lunitikUscfan: you're welcome  :)03:33
Uscfanthis is the reason why open source owns everyone03:33
Roeymjt: thanks so much : :)03:33
membreyaif you have hoary installed, you can just do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop03:33
robertjlunitik: nope, anyone who is that determined can take my drive and stick it into another computer03:33
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Zedtechmjt, well answer this one; how can I force that modprobe psmouse proto=bare to load everything the machine starts? I cold rebooted and i had to use it again03:33
Uscfanlunitik: especially you man, thanks a million, and if i had millions i would give you some03:33
mjt< mjt> Zedtech: i answered that your q already, right when that stuff has been discussed03:33
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Pizbitrobertj: Turn off machine, unplug drive, turn off destination machine. plug it in.03:33
robertjand if your going to break into my office, might as well break into the server closet instead03:33
Zedtechmjt, im retarded.03:33
Zedtechmjt, and rebooted03:33
moominskihoy do i install hoary03:33
veristeadlunitik universe is enabled03:34
Uscfanok now i need to get my wireless working03:34
Roeycrimsun:  about this pivot_root thing03:34
Roeycrimsun:  how to solve it?03:34
veristeadand yet wine does not reveal it self03:34
lunitiklunitik: you're very welcome... heh... so long as one day, you help someone with the issue, the cycle repeats, and I am happy  :)03:34
Uscfanmy card is detected in the device listing, but what should i do03:34
linuxn00bmoominski, you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.conf03:34
Roeycrimsun:  because then I can continue using stock ubuntu kernel03:34
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moominskiby doin wot?03:34
Roeycrimsun:  btw mjt showed me that the initrd module was missing 'modprobe -k via_sata' in 'loadmodules' file.03:34
Pizbitmoominski: gedit /etc/sources.list (or via synaptic) change every warty to hoary: sudo ap-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade03:34
lunitikUscfan: lspci recognizes it? did you google for the driver?03:34
Roeycrimsun:  that had to be loaded before the softraid stuff03:35
Uscfanone sec03:35
mjtZedtech: ugh. When your people will damn learn to damn read?  It's difficult to watch this channel answering everyone's questions, but at least can't you watch for replies to *your own* questions?! (it's a question to everyone here...)03:35
Uscfanim not online at all03:35
Pizbitmoominski: er, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade03:35
Uscfanlemme plugin an ehterhent cable03:35
lunitikUscfan: also... cable, pppoe?03:35
linuxn00bmoominski, change all the warty to hoary03:35
crimsunRoey: so have you inserted into your initrd?03:35
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lunitikUscfan: haha... thats a good start  ;)03:35
Zedtechmjt, understood. I read, Im highly ADD and usually am in the middle of fourteen things at once.03:35
moominskiwots synaptic03:35
robertjI'm a wireless reject, I need to learn something about it03:36
PizbitZedtech: Here's a tip then, do '/lastlog YOURNICK' every now and then03:36
mjtZedtech: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, say, /etc/modprobe.d/local, with the single line in it: "options psmouse proto=whatever-proto-you-found-works-for-you" (w/o quotes)03:36
Roeycrimsun:  YES03:36
Uscfanlunitik: ok i have a router, so no need to worry about pppoe, despite the fact i dont even have it, i have DSL03:36
Roeycrimsun:  and my custom kernel BOOTS03:36
lunitikmoominski: Computer > Administration > Package Management03:36
Zedtech:-x i love you mjt03:36
UscfanDSL without pppoe03:36
linuxn00bmoominski, synaptic is your package amnager that you use to install programs and updatre them03:36
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Roeycrimsun:  HOWEVER, the Ubuntu kernle doesn't even get to that point.. that pivot error, see.03:36
Uscfanlunitik: and so now i need to get my wireless card working and detected03:36
Roeycrimsun:  couldja help me with that?03:36
Uscfaneth0 is detected but i am assuming that is my ethernet03:36
robertjI figure there are 4 open ap's accessible from here and mine is locked by mac address so noone would bother to try to sniff it when they could just hop on and surf03:36
mjtZedtech: also try proto=imps and proto=exps (see modinfo psmouse)03:37
veristeadyea usually eth0 is ethernet03:37
veristeadeth1 is wifi03:37
PizbitUscfan: So basically all it's plain ethernet between you and your router/adsl-modem and you want to set up the link between you and it? *trying to catch up here*03:37
lunitikbah... these days... wlan0 is first wireless... eth0 is first nic...03:37
Uscfanpizbit: i got a wireless router, right now the ethernet cable is plugged in and i will try and get internet workin on the nic so i can dload drivers,etcc...03:38
Uscfanthen i will configure wireless *hopefully*03:38
lunitikUscfan: /exec -o cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep wlan0  <-- type here03:38
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lunitikwhere here = in xchat/other irc client03:38
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crimsunRoey: well, you could just use your custom kernel03:39
melloguys, is there any way to copy a multitude of files to another directory?03:39
Uscfanok its working on the ethernet cable03:39
Uscfantime to get the wireless workin03:39
lunitikUscfan: did you type what I just said?03:39
robertjI did not know about that, I did an /exec banner hey in #test ;)03:39
Uscfani shall now03:39
Uscfansorry i wasnt paying attention03:39
Pizbitrobertj: without the -o it doesn't send stuff to the channel03:39
lunitikrobertj: /exec is so you can see... /exec -o outputs to channel, so everyone sees03:40
Uscfani am logging out, imma login as rot03:40
lunitikrobertj: useful03:40
Uscfanim tired of all these restrictions03:40
Uscfanthe administrator cannot login from the gui login03:40
mjtRoey: tjat stuff resulted in pivot_root problem is *solely* due to wrong initrd being generated, for whatever reason.03:40
PizbitUscfan: Login as normal user, open a terminal, do: su -03:40
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lunitikUscfan: yeah... uhhh... you shouldn't have had to be root...03:41
Uscfanyeah i will03:41
Uscfandamnit something is wrong, nothing is loading03:41
lunitikUscfan: anyways... you are a sudoer... so its irrelivant... just throw a 'sudo' in front of things03:41
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Uscfanalt ctrl backspace :P03:41
Uscfandangit, now gnome will not start, after login nothing happens03:42
Pizbitctrl+alt+backspace works better *grin*03:42
Uscfannothing is happening03:42
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Uscfanno hd read or anything03:42
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PecKhey all03:42
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PecKdoes anyone know a good newbie-oriented tutorial for emacs?03:43
Uscfanlunitik: the command you gave me earlier is not working03:43
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robertjAre ooo2 debs done in house or do they come from debian?03:43
mjtPecK: it comes with a good tutorial ;)03:44
PizbitPecK: Uh, I'm a bigot so: ditch emacs, and install vim and run vim-tutor :D03:44
StR34ksorry, I use vi.03:44
Uscfanlunitik: now i am working from command line becuase gnome will not start either :(03:44
Wildthingvim is the win03:44
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lunitikUscfan: /etc/init.d/gdm restart03:44
lunitiksudo that03:44
dtswhat's the default password/username for the postgressql database?03:44
PecKinstalling vim right away03:44
Uscfanfuck is it restarting on tty103:44
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lunitikUscfan: heh... X always goes to tty7...03:45
Uscfanno the login screen works fine (gdm) but after i click login, it just sits there03:45
PecKha, had it03:45
lunitikelse 8 etc... bah... but by default...03:45
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mjtPecK: it displays a brief summary of stuff (incl. tutorial) at every startup03:45
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StR34khey, does anyone know if there is a gui way to set the ide mode on a drive in Hoary?03:45
Uscfandangit, nothing is happening03:46
sattyQuick question:  For listening to .ogg which is your preferred music player?03:46
guimanhi, anyone can point me to instruction on how to install Acrobat Reader?03:46
d27654I'm out of Linux books to read, any recommendations for medium to advanced admin?03:46
lunitiksatty: Rhythmbox03:46
guiman(besides the adobe website)03:46
PizbitStR34k: Not really, but: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/whateveritis03:46
Uscfanread about how much windows sucks balls03:46
Pizbitsatty: beep-media-player03:46
Uscfanlunitk: ok nothing is happening, i enter username and password, and press enter, it goes to the brown screen with the cursor just sitting there03:47
Uscfandefualt session is gnome03:47
StR34kPizbit, :) yeah but I don't want to have to run that every time I boot.03:47
PecKlol can't understand shit with vim03:47
lunitiksatty: Rhythmbox uses gstreamer for a backend... bmp uses primitive libao ...  :/03:47
PecKi'm a newb03:47
PizbitStR34k: Don't then, put it in a startup script03:47
lunitikPecK: nano03:47
PecKand i need to right a big report like a book03:47
Inva|idWhen is the final release for Hoary planned?03:47
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knathraakhi all, does anyone have experience with lirc & hoary, specifically lirc_i2c (pvr250/350)?03:47
PecKemacs looks pretty good for project handling03:47
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lunitikInva|id: April03:47
Pizbitlunitik: Eh? bmp can use esd/alsa/oss/many-others03:47
Uscfanwell. reboots fix a lot of stuff, so i shall reboot03:47
PecKfile comparison and stuff03:48
StR34kPizbit, true. :)03:48
crimsunlunitik: bmp doesn't use libao03:48
PecKbut i can't get to understand everything03:48
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crimsunlunitik: no one has written a gst backend for it yet03:48
PecKnot right03:48
Uscfanmy favorite music player is called an iPod, maybe some of you have heard of it???03:48
moominskiwot do am i ment to use for editing files i cant see any editors03:48
Bukkakefork failed: Cannot allocate memory  <-- that, being given in the terminal output when installing mysql on synatpic . . . someone help me please :x03:48
lunitikcrimsun: when they do... I might reconsider... but gst seems to pretty much be the future...03:49
PecKUscfan, yeah how do you handle iPod and Linux ?03:49
lunitikcrimsun: getting the most work etc...03:49
UscfanPeck: I dont, i dual boot on my laptop03:49
PecKWin ?03:49
mjtBukkake: add more memory. more. More. MORE!!!  ;-P03:49
lunitikPecK: latest Rhythmbox can...03:49
UscfanPeck: But installing linux (podzilla) on my ipod would be leet03:49
knathraakhi all, does anyone have experience with lirc & hoary, specifically lirc_i2c (pvr250/350)?03:49
catrlrthe ability to run Ubuntu on top of MacOS X03:49
apokryphosPecK: amaroK03:49
PecKUscfan, I have 4g...03:49
catrlrinteresting thought03:49
Bukkakemjt: You mean.. as in hardware?03:49
PecKapokryphos, what is it?03:50
UscfanPEck: as do i my friend03:50
catrlrmaybe i will do that03:50
lunitikapokryphos: bah... kde advice to #kubuntu  :P03:50
mjtBukkake: i mean i was joking... ;)03:50
PecKUscfan, we can't then03:50
lunitikapokryphos: even if amaroK is better  :P03:50
PecKUscfan, not yet03:50
sattyDoes Rhythmbox play .mp3?  Or do I need a additional plugin?03:50
apokryphosPecK: the best MP3 Program out there.03:50
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PizbitUscfan: Remove your capslock key?:P03:50
lunitiksatty: 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'03:50
eruinsatty: you need an additional plugin03:50
PecKcan handle library and ipod? aac too? like perfect?03:50
apokryphoslunitik: Never! I'll infiltrate till I have you all converted. If I keep inculcating... ;)03:50
robertjhow do you attach files to the wiki?03:50
PizbitUscfan: Have a look at the X log03:50
Zedtechno C Compiler on ubuntu!?03:50
eruinsatty: what lunitik said03:50
Uscfanpizbit, where would i find that03:50
robertjI made an ics file of releases and I'm sure other people would like access03:50
knathraakHi, wondering if anyone has experience getting lirc going?03:51
Zedtechconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH03:51
PizbitUscfan: /var/log/03:51
eruinsudo apt-get install build-essential03:51
PizbitUscfan: Have a look at your user's .xsession-errors file too03:51
Zedtechthanks eruin03:51
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Bukkakemjt: My laptop is infamous for being slow . . . 266 mhz, 7 years old . . . memory would be the problem for this, right? Thought the message "Cannot allocate memory" looked like a big scary kernerl error at first sight03:51
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Uscfanmy dad just got the coolest laptop ever, it has a Dothan 2.0GHz (I am an AMD fan) 1GB of ram, 80GB hard drive, and his res is 16x12!!!! ATI Fire GL 2 128mb03:52
mjtBukkake: try adding some swap space. and quitting some apps you're running.03:52
Uscfanit is soooo sexy03:52
eruinZedtech: you'll probably need more stuff though ;)03:52
Pizbitsatty: This explains the play/can't-play business http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:52
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eruinUscfan: too bad about the ati :p03:52
PizbitUscfan: Buahahaha, an ATI? How er, I'm too nice to say03:52
Wildthingi wonder how well ubuntu would run on a pentium 90 with 48 MB ram and a 730 MB hd03:52
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eruinWildthing: gnome would run horrible03:53
Uscfanati owns03:53
eruinWildthing: but you could always run fluxbox or something03:53
robertjI really like the new hoary artwark03:53
Artanismy laptop mhz never sinks below 600 mhz, but in windows I saw it having 300 mhz03:53
Wildthinghow about xfce?03:53
catrlrI WANT SEX03:53
Artaniscan I config this?03:53
eruinWildthing: no03:53
catrlrGIVE IT TO ME03:53
PizbitWildthing: Depends, great if you don't install gnome/kde and stick to a minimalistix WM03:53
Uscfanan X850XT PE will rape two 6800 Ultras in SLI config03:53
moominskiwot are u suppossed to use to edit files plz help?03:53
Pizbitmoominski: gedit works03:53
Wildthingwow i thought xfce was supposed to be pretty minimal03:53
Bukkakemjt: Got it, thanks03:53
eruinWildthing: xfce has gnome-ish requirements :P - honestly though, anything X-ish will run very sluggishly on a computer like that03:53
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eruinWildthing: supposed to, but isn't :P03:54
moominskiit wont let me edit with gedit03:54
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UscfanPizbit: Could not init font path element unix/:7100 removing from list!03:54
Pizbitmoominski: sources.list ? I told you to open with: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list03:54
Wildthingi'm thinking about putting ubuntu on a p2 450 with 168 MB ram03:54
robertjWildthing: I'd consider Windows 98 light03:54
Wildthingand a 10 gig hd03:54
moominskiok sorry03:54
eruinthat'll work03:54
UscfanPizbit: i do like ati, and i am aware that ati is not linux friendly03:54
apokryphosUscfan: not at all03:54
PizbitUscfan: So you like something that isn't friendly? Rrrright.03:54
robertjWildthing: for the 90, the p2 450 will probably do ok if you strip it down03:54
moominskichange everything that says warty to hoary rite?03:55
Uscfanafter loggin in successfully, nothing happens, gnome does not start03:55
Uscfanwhere else should i look03:55
Pizbitmoominski: Yes03:55
Wildthingwindows 98 light?03:55
Wildthinghaven't heard of it03:55
Uscfanwindows 98 is shit on a stick03:55
apersonit's 98 without the se part03:55
robertjWildthing: its a program you run and it asks for the windows 98 cd and windows 95 and installs a bit of both03:55
regeyawait wait wait...ati isn't friendly?03:55
robertjaperson: not true03:55
eruinwin98 was the only windows version that didn't crash on me03:55
regeyaomg u r s0 l33t03:55
UscfanATI does not have drivers for linux03:56
Wildthingeruin, are you serioius?03:56
ZedtechNVidia is your friend03:56
robertjits got almost everything from se, its just go the shell stuff from 95 to speed it up03:56
eruinWildthing: yes03:56
UscfannVidia is a linux worshipper03:56
melloguys, is there any way to copy a multitude of files to another directory?03:56
Wildthing98 crashed like an asian girl driver for me03:56
robertjso you still get usb2 support and all that03:56
eruinWildthing: ran rock solid for several years03:56
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ZedtechI love nvidia03:56
Zedtech:-) they are my heros03:56
regeyaUscfan: that would explain the proprietary drivers03:56
Wildthing...you must be really 1337 to manage that!03:56
nugei love nvidia too03:56
robertjWild: It's not great but it might run a decent web browser on that P 9003:56
moominskino i use synaptic to update03:56
Pizbitmello: cp file1 file2 new/place/ or cp file* ned/place/03:56
lunitikUscfan: nVidia is pro anything that is likely to make them money.03:56
PizbitUscfan: Please stop using all capital letters03:56
regeyayes please03:56
Pizbitmoominski: You need to hit the reload button in synaptic first03:56
apokryphosUscfan: not successful login then, was it? ;)03:57
ZedtechWant to see the worst pickup line ever03:57
Uscfanlogin worked03:57
moominskiok thanks03:57
Wildthingeruin, u mean u never had to cntrl alt delete a lockup?  or u just never had to format and reinstall03:57
Roeymjt:  so I will remake the initrd.03:57
Uscfanbut gnome did not start03:57
Zedtech(20:56:40) Zed: can I stick my GPU into your AGP slot?03:57
Zedtech(20:56:54) Zed: its 8X baby03:57
ZedtechYou all lose.03:57
robertjWhat do you want to do with your p90 anyway?>03:57
Uscfanim rebooting again03:57
eruinWildthing: never had to do any of those things with win98 - I only upgraded when stuff started requiring xp03:57
Roeymjt:  see I thought that it sufficed to have apt-get rebuild it when I apt-got installed kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic03:57
Wildthing<shrug>, robertj , project computer haha03:57
UscfanAMD is the uber hax0r03:57
robertjWild: you can probably get better results with Box03:57
robertjerr Bochs03:57
lunitikhahaha... I remember BoxOS ... wonder what ever happened with that?03:58
Uscfani am about to say forget it, and just go back into windblows03:58
Wildthingwow...windows 98 without blue screen of death...that's like china with no chinese people03:58
Wildthingit's THAT amazing03:58
shawncornIf anyone could help me it would be appreciated.  I think I messed up.  :/  I just got Ubuntu Hoary.  I have two 120GB drives.  One is old and has a ton of data on it, ext3 fs.  The other is new and I want to throw them both into a RAID-1.  So I was installing Hoary and I saw the partitioner that had some stuff for RAIDs.  I marked the drives as RAID volumes and I think I accidentally touched the MBR on the old 120GB drive.  Now I'm trying to mo03:58
shawncornunt the drive and it has a corrupt superblock.  So I used fdisk to change the partition type back to Linux (83) and I'm running `fsck.ext3 -y` right now and getting a lot of fixes and whatnot and I'm scared.  Also, I copied the old drive to the new one via dd before I fsck'd it.  So does anyone have any input on whether I did something excessively dumb and if I can get my data back painlessly?  *phew*  There's a mouthful...03:58
Wildthingto me, at least03:58
shawncorn(sorry about the long message =P)03:58
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regeyaUscfan: and you seemed so serious about getting things going, too...03:58
lunitikrandom... hah... was supposed to be attempting to have Linux Windows et all stuff be seamless...03:58
br33zywhere can I get the faac package for ubuntu?03:58
makorobertj: it's in the notes03:58
Uscfani am03:58
lunitikbr33zy: if its not in universe/multiverse ... try apt-get.org03:59
Uscfani love linux, i run linux servers at home, but i cant get gnome to start03:59
Pizbitbr33zy: In universe03:59
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makorobertj: basically, it's a nice usability visual joke.. goes over well in largely catholic countries usually :)03:59
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moominskiok its workin Pizbit thanks for u help dude03:59
regeyaUscfan: after a clean install?  warty or hoary?  eh?  eh???!?03:59
robertjmako: I'm a big pope fan, his contributions to haberdashery are commendable03:59
Uscfanit has been workin fine03:59
regeyaI don't feel sorry for you03:59
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Uscfani have been doing stuff like getting my internet to work04:00
Uscfanbut now it does not work04:00
PecKok guys am installing amaroK04:00
br33zyPizbit, which is it?04:00
makorobertj: hate to break it to you.. i think someone else designed the hats... :(04:00
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Pizbitbr33zy: Oddly enough 'faac'04:00
regeyaheh lunitik04:00
lunitikregeya: you went no where, don't lie  :P04:00
PecKi'm curious :)04:00
Uscfanfailsafe gnome does not start either04:00
regeyaI walked away in a very virtual sense04:00
Uscfanwill i need to reinstall ?!04:00
br33zyPizbit, lunitik says it isn't in universe04:00
Pizbitmoominski: No problems, I'd reboot after you've done it btw.04:00
moominskiok now wots that command to get kubuntu04:00
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regeyaI live in a parallel dimension where certain people can speak to me and I never hear them04:00
robertjmako: have you seen my general grumpynessp age ;)04:00
lunitikbr33zy: no... I said *if* its not...04:00
lunitikbr33zy: don't misquote...04:00
Pizbitbr33zy: No, lunitik said "...if its not in universe/multiverse ..."04:01
moominskiback soon04:01
br33zylunitik, sorry04:01
makorobertj: i guess not04:01
br33zyi don't see it in universe04:01
robertjmako: http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/04:01
br33zydo i need any special lines to use universe?04:01
Wildthingi honstly wonder what i could use a pentium 90 for...cuz my parents want to dump it04:01
robertjvnc2swf strikes back ;)04:01
Pizbitbr33zy: Read this for enabling universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:01
Wildthingand that just seems like a waste to me04:01
lunitikWildthing: router04:01
br33zyit's enabled Pizbit04:01
Roeymjt:  dude, the apt-get install procedure rebuilt the initrd.img all fine...04:01
lunitikWildthing: firewall04:01
lunitikWildthing: proxy04:01
Roeymjt:  that pivot_root error persists though04:01
Wildthinglol dlink does that for me04:01
robertjwildthing: Filrewall if you dont mind the heat/noise04:01
Pizbitbr33zy: The sudo apt-get update or hit reload in synaptic and install it?04:01
robertjhow much does a p90 cost to run in electricity?04:01
Uscfanlunitik: come on dude any ideas?04:01
Wildthingno clue04:02
StR34kPizbit, so i've been looking into the initfiles, and I was wondering where to put the hdparm command. I can't find anything like rc.local.04:02
knathraakHi, wondering if anyone has experience getting lirc going?04:02
Wildthingit probably uses less power than the rest of our "more modern" computers04:02
robertjEspecially here I know my computers drive up the ac bill, so I'd not touch the thing04:02
Wildthinglower frequency = lower power consumption04:02
br33zyPizbit, iim in a terminal04:02
br33zybut yes04:02
PizbitStR34k: Personally I cheated *g* 2secs04:02
Wildthinggenerally speaking04:02
robertjand I am a noise nazi04:02
Roeymjt:  I tested by doing it myself and the initrd.img that I made and the initrd.img that apt-get generated are exactly the same.04:02
Roeymjt:  yet I am sitll getting these errors.04:02
Roeymjt:  pivot_root -- what the heck is it anyway?04:02
makorobertj: looks like flash04:02
StR34kPizbit, cheated eh? :) this sounds interesting.04:03
makorobertj: sorry dude. i don't do non-free software04:03
Pizbitbr33zy: So apt-get install faac ?:)\04:03
br33zyof course04:03
br33zynot found04:03
PizbitUniverse isn't enabled then it sounds04:03
lunitikmako: whats up man... you never talk in here  :)04:03
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br33zyi uncommented the two line Pizbit04:03
br33zywhen i do an apt-get update it pulls universe04:04
PizbitAhh, it's in multiverse04:04
PecKdidn't work at all for me with musicplayer under fedora 3... now installing ubuntu on the desktop too...04:04
makolunitik: yeah.. i'm usually doing about 10 things at once :)04:04
makolunitik: i sometimes talk in here04:04
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PecKthe aac stuff04:04
robertjmako: ahh, isn't there a free flash player?04:04
br33zyPizbit, hm?04:04
makolunitik: but usually when someone asks me a question04:04
PizbitThrow in multiverse beside universe04:04
makorobertj: yes... but it's not very good04:04
br33zyPizbit, in soruces.list?04:04
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makorobertj: it crashed mozilla a bunch of times and i decided i was better off with out it04:04
Pizbitbr33zy: Yup04:04
PecKamaroK is for KDE right?04:04
lunitikmako: I think this is the first time I've seen you in here... heh... you seem to be one of the busier (sp) devels  :)04:05
PecKi'm running Gnome though04:05
PizbitPecK: It is a KDE based app yes04:05
PizbitPecK: You can run kde apps inside gnome04:05
robertjmako: basically it's a collection of gnome ui snaffoos and out and out bugs04:05
br33zyPizbit, that's better, thanks04:05
Roeycrimsun:  hi04:05
PizbitStR34k: Bah, trying to find the file I did up:)04:05
regeyaindeed amaroK is kde-based, but it should work fine in gnome04:05
Roeymjt:  (hi?)04:05
lunitikPecK: Rhythmbox handles iPod04:05
PecKThe graphics are OK and all?04:05
moominskiok now, wots that command to upgrade to kubuntu?04:05
makorobertj: good.. put the bugzilla bug numbers next to them :)04:05
apokryphosmoominski: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:05
regeyaI used to use rhythmbox under kde, so I'd say the opposite should work :-)04:05
PecKyeah lunitik that's what they say but mine wouldn't and I tried pretty much everything04:05
PizbitStR34k: I'll do a pastebin04:06
lunitikPecK: no peticular configuration needed afaik... just works04:06
Wildthingwow...power consumption on a pentium 90 mhz cpu is 5 watts!04:06
StR34kPizbit, a who whatsit?04:06
PecKso got tired of it am I changing distro04:06
robertjmako: I need to, the hard part is I don't know if they are Ubuntu or Gnome bugs04:06
PecKwould have done sooner or later I think04:06
lunitikPecK: you have the little iPod logo in Rhythmbox? its only in the hoary release of Ubuntu...04:06
PecKfell in love with Ubuntu04:06
PizbitStR34k: www.pastebin.com will give you the idea of what I'm doing:)04:06
lunitikuhh... well... its not a release yet... grrr04:06
moominskiE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop04:06
moominskiwots that mean04:06
apokryphosmoominski: are you on warty?04:06
moominskii think so04:06
apokryphosmoominski: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE04:07
apokryphosall the information there04:07
PacoBCNmy laptop shuts down for over heating. Any way to prevent it?04:07
PecKHaven't tried on the laptop, cause I have no music on the laptop so no use04:07
moominskiokl thanks04:07
PecKonly used harddisk04:07
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PecKhaha dumb me04:07
robertjWhy is there an iPod icon in Rhythmbox?04:07
PecKam goin to try right away04:07
apokryphoslunitik: converts, excellent. :D04:07
robertjI don't even have a USB mass storage device connected04:07
lunitikrobertj: because it can access iPod data?04:07
regeyamoominski: first, I'd ask in #kubuntu, really. :-)  Other than that, follow apokryphos's link04:07
robertjlunitik: so?04:08
lunitikapokryphos: blind converts are not good converts...04:08
lunitikrobertj: what you mean 'so'?04:08
robertjso why should there be an icon there?04:08
apokryphoslunitik: who said he was blind? ;)04:08
Roeycan anyone help me with an ubuntu kernel boot problem?04:08
lunitikrobertj: no idea... its there though  :/04:08
lunitikrobertj: would be better if it just integrated into current playlist... but it doesn't... its by the internet radio side pane04:09
robertjlunitik: I think its fine, but it just shouldn't be there when an iPod is not04:09
StR34kPizbit, nice.04:09
robertjI actually kind of like it, it's good to have a drag target there for moving stuff04:09
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lunitikrobertj: true enough... file a bug perhaps?04:10
lewizAnybody here understand gstreamer?  I want to encode some CDs with Sound Juicer but have some more specific ogg encoding options.04:10
lunitikrobertj: got to be a way to dynamically add the listing...04:10
PizbitStR34k: Probably a 'proper way' but this seems to work for me http://www.pastebin.com/26356404:10
cleit0n hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP04:10
lunitiklewiz: you need lame ... wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:10
StR34kPizbit, Sweet thx :>04:11
Pizbitlunitik: I thought lame only did mp3s and not oggs?04:11
lewizlunitik: No, I want to encode to oggs.  But I want a specific quality and maximum bitrate settings.04:11
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robertjhehe, I have ereet bugzilla powers on gnome as well so I really should04:11
lunitiklewiz, Pizbi: ahh... I only read 'encode CDs'...04:11
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regeyalewiz: man oggenc04:11
robertjone night lewis wasn't paying any attention and endowed me ;)04:11
regeyaoggenc -q 6.5 -M 256 blah.wav04:12
Pizbitrobertj: That sounds just a tad dodgy:)04:12
robertjapparently he thought I knew what I was doing and had a complex problem to solve when in fact I Just needed help doing something that was very simple04:12
regeyafor a gui frontend, hard to beat grip for such things04:12
lewizregeya: Yeah, I know how to use oggenc.  Problem is I don't know whow to write gstreamer pipelines, or whatever.04:12
PecKit does!!!04:12
PecKcan't play it though04:12
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robertjPizbit: bahh, take it easy. I'm from America, I'm not a native English speaker.04:12
lewizregeya: Yeah, grip is fairly handy but I quite like to Sound Juicer interface.  The only thing I want to change is the maximum bitrate.04:12
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regeyawell, I feel 0% sympathy for the second time tonight.04:13
Pizbitrobertj: Meh, second english speaker means nothing. Many who are speak better english than native english speakers, but it does explain why you  took what I said the wrong way04:13
Pizbitn4cht: Short game huh?04:13
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robertjI just don't care04:14
Wildthinggeez...for comparison, a pentium @ 100 Mhz max power dissipation is 10 watts...for a 3.4 ghz p4 w/ HT, it's 115 watts...04:14
n4chtheh.  trying to get ETF to work.04:14
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Wildthingthat's a freaking huge difference04:14
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robertjdoes it have pci slots?04:15
Wildthingthis is just cpu by itself04:15
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Wildthingbut yeah the p90 has pci slots04:15
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black_nightmarehey there04:18
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sabmochi black_nightmare04:19
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black_nightmareany of you know if digital cameras that are seen as removeable hd when hotplugged in is already supported [or can I download to support them?]  ?04:19
black_nightmarehey again sabmoc :p04:19
pvocenopers...Im trying to find a FOSS internet broadcasting suite04:19
lewizIs there any place I can find concise reasons for packages being updated?  I mean stuff like gdm upgrade x that changed the background colour, etc.04:20
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black_nightmarethe camera been used oftenly under winxp home (family's cpu BTW!! heh)04:20
sabmocblack_nightmare, the flash card might be mounted automatically, is that what you mean04:20
sabmocblack_nightmare, I have a usb printer with a flash card slot, the fc is automounted when i plug it in the slot04:20
black_nightmaresabmoc...no ....heh I said 'digital cameras that are seen as removeable hd' :)04:21
sabmocblack_nightmare, yes well what is the harddrive part, a flash card?04:21
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black_nightmarehmm...I'm not so sure about that now...but .. I think yeah it might be CF inside04:21
sabmocblack_nightmare, is it non-removable?04:22
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mathmattblack_n. my fuji finpix a330 is automounted04:22
black_nightmaremathmatt..and thats camera>usb>computer right?04:22
black_nightmareah ok...ty I'll have to try it... do I have to like apt-get anything in particular or not really?04:23
mathmattworks great on Hoary at least04:23
sabmocblack_nightmare, my cannon a75 is automounted too, but I dont ever plug it in, just use my printer slot04:23
mathmattno installation needed04:23
sabmocmathmatt, aint linux beautiful :)04:24
black_nightmarehmm ok...I'll have to try this camera tomorrow or something and see if it shows up as a drive just like winxp had been doing04:24
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sabmocblack_nightmare, if you are using gnome an icon should pop up on your desktop as soon as you plug it in04:25
sabmocprobably the same in kde but I havnet tried it04:25
eruinanyone know where to get Lsongs?04:25
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black_nightmarewell..I still am a bit too stumped with one internal hardware problem but then...whatever!!! lol04:26
black_nightmaretomorrow....try the camera and...as usual try find something to read about my problem04:26
sabmocblack_nightmare, your pci video card problem?04:26
black_nightmaresabmoc... no isa sound card04:26
mathmattanyone with a rage card (Vaio) get tv out to work?  I've tried atitvout which detects my tv, but no luck.04:26
black_nightmareI don't even know what irq it is at all....just that its right there in isa slot #204:26
sabmocblack_nightmare, eeewwww......04:26
black_nightmareCreative SoundBlaster 16 CT2230 [pnp isa card] 04:27
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sabmocblack_nightmare, but a SBLive card, they are cheep and very good04:27
black_nightmaresabmoc..and is that isa as well?04:27
Roeycrimsun:  hi, back at square 1 with the wacom modules -- I installed but they didn't work still...04:27
sabmocnorris, pci04:27
sabmocblack_nightmare, pci04:27
sabmocRoey, are you an artist?04:28
black_nightmaresabmoc...unless some electronic can physically replace isa for a pci....nope can't do04:28
crimsunRoey: using the custom debian/rules?04:28
Roeycrimsun:  ah! no04:28
Roeycrimsun:  lemme do that :)04:28
Roeycrimsun:  hehe, forgot04:28
Roeysabmoc:  try to be one yeah04:28
sabmocblack_nightmare, ah so its a limited slot issue, thats too bad.04:28
black_nightmarewould be nice if the card would work thou...especially that I have an actual 2-midi adapter cable here04:28
black_nightmaresabmoc....well 98se automatically picks up the card without asking for drivers at all04:29
sabmocblack_nightmare, SB16 is also a good card, Im prositive it should be able to work04:29
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black_nightmareyeah sabmoc..thats what I'm trying to get to04:29
Roeycrimsun:  yeah it built them04:29
crimsunwait, I missed another sound card discussion?04:29
Roeycrimsun:  and dmesg shows that wacom loaded before usbhid04:29
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crimsunargh, too many things at once04:29
black_nightmarecrimsun..no it just started :p04:29
black_nightmaresorry :p04:29
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Roeycrimsun:  still though it doesn't work -- the extra wacom bits are not registering in the 'wacdump' program04:29
sabmocRoey, thats cool04:29
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Roeysabmoc:  you too?04:29
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fangoriouswhere are the window title bar icons specified for applications?04:30
sabmocRoey, not really, I try04:30
crimsunRoey: I really have no idea about wacom, that was just what I read would help04:30
Roeycrimsun:  ok04:30
black_nightmarecrimsun in general: creative sb16 pnp isa card > I'm trying to get it loaded so I can see the card in ubuntu yet04:30
crimsunblack_nightmare: what sound card?04:30
sabmocRoey, next thing I pick up for my computer will be a wacom04:30
black_nightmarelol..read above ^04:30
crimsunblack_nightmare: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=004:30
black_nightmareits a CT2230 off the card itself04:30
black_nightmareah ok...one second04:30
jinxKatsabmoc: how about just a bat04:30
sabmocjinxKat, what bat?04:31
jinxKata baseball bat to hit it with04:31
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vonschutterdoes anyone know how to make it so that super karamba starts up on login  and loads the themes that I had oppen last time04:31
crimsunfangorious: /usr/share/pixmaps/  is one location04:31
crimsunfangorious: there are multiple directories04:31
black_nightmarecrimsun..two error lines came up...04:31
black_nightmareFATAL: Error inserting snd_sb16 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16.ko): No such device04:31
black_nightmareFATAL: Error running install command for snd_sb1604:31
sabmocjinxKat, you lost me, why would I hit my precious computer with a bat?04:32
fangoriouscrimsun, hm, already changed the one in /usr/share/pixmaps, will keep looking I guess04:32
black_nightmaresometimes I wonder where my computer thinks it is at ALL!! the card is bloody right there...lol04:32
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Roeycrimsun:  so yeah, I have no idea at this point04:32
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Roeysabmoc:  spare yourself the cash, support under linux sucks rocks.04:32
Roeysabmoc:  look at what I'm going through04:32
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Roeysabmoc:  two weeks of utter HELL, following a year of inactivity (too lazy to do this)04:32
Roeysabmoc:  on kernel 2.4.x everything was fine04:32
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sabmocRoey, hmm, I think I'll still pick it up04:33
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Roeysabmoc:  comes 2.6.x and they chenge sound drivers, IDE drivers, wacom, and it fucks up *everything*.04:33
crimsunblack_nightmare: is it a _true_ PnP model?04:33
jinxKatanyone wanna tell me teh advantages of switching from deb sarge to unbuntu04:33
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examndirtbaghi all, i need a little help04:33
PacoBCNjinxKat, our beautiful community isn't enough? :)04:33
sabmocRoey, I've switched to 2.6.2 as soon as it came out and havnt looked back.04:33
hybridjinxKat ubuntu is sid04:33
Roeysabmoc:  ah04:33
hybridjinxKat support is even better04:34
Roeysabmoc:  you're in for a surprise if you haven't yet upgraded past 2.6.7, because libata took over04:34
jinxKatPacoBCN: no04:34
examndirtbagim having problems with burning cd's04:34
black_nightmarecrimsun once (under 98se anyhow that is) it was not even picking up the usb hub for no reason at bootup...so....I was like peering at back of computer going "huhhhh???" and decidely yank the usb cable out then plug it back in and immedately windows went into 'detecting new hardwares..' dialog for a second there04:34
hybridand anything deb can do so can ubuntu04:34
black_nightmareand it worked fine afterward...that was weird thou04:34
crimsunblack_nightmare: otherwise I need lspnp -v information04:34
PacoBCNjinxKat, well, in that case let's look for other reasons04:34
black_nightmareand crimsun -- yes the card is a pnp one I'm sure04:34
black_nightmarehmmm let me try that..one second04:34
sabmocRoey, no, I mean I've been running 2.6 kernels since they came out with version 2.6.2 ..so.. for a while.04:34
jinxKathybrid: debian support is good enough for me04:34
PacoBCNjinxKat, like the commitment of having a new release every 6 months?04:34
helio7hey all! bash question: if I want to copy a sequential series of files to a new dir, I'm using (cp *888* *889* *890* *891* *892 /new/path/) is there an easier way anyone can share with me?04:34
black_nightmarebash: lspnp: command not found04:35
crimsunhelio7: $(seq 888 892)04:35
black_nightmaregrrr ^04:35
black_nightmarewas I supposed to sudo that command or no?04:35
sabmochelio7, well.. thats a lot of asterics already04:35
sabmochelio7, what is the actuall file name04:35
jroesthis seems a little out of date possibly:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/copy_of_BurningIsoHowto/view?searchterm=burn%20cd04:35
helio7well a sample filename is 050327_4888.jpg04:35
hybridjinxKat free pressed cds04:36
jinxKat6month release cycles sarge is pretty up to date04:36
sabmocjroes, then dust it off and update my friend :)04:36
jinxKatcds are practically free i don't mind burning04:36
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jroesit's not in the wiki04:36
jroesshould I just email something a little newer to someone04:36
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jroesI'd like to include how to burn a .bin file as well, but I'm going to have to hunt that down :)04:36
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sattylunitik: Thanks for the help with Rhythmbox and mp3.04:37
sabmocjroes, make a new wiki page, put a link to the old outdated version, send a email to the mailing list with the url of the updated version and someone should get on it.04:37
jroescool :)04:37
black_nightmarecrimsun - its just that if 98se picked it up with no problem it has to be PnP-abled .... or am I actually very wrong? :p04:37
jroesoh, actually it was on the wiki04:38
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crimsunhelio7: for i in $(seq 888 892); do cp 050327_4$i.jpg /new/path/; done04:38
jroesI just didn't realize04:38
lewizAnybody know of a way to connect two machines together without using a crossover cable?  Is there some clever flag to pass to ifconfig?  Or do I absolutely have to go grab that switch?  :P04:38
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crimsunblack_nightmare: you're actually very wrong.04:38
sabmocjroes, some wiki pages are locked so you cant edit them, thats what I thought you meant.04:39
nanaemgood morning foks! have a short and probebly simple Q. is there any program that i can use _from_ windows to reach my linux files that is on the same disk? running 2K with U.04:39
caffinatedlewiz: or modify the cable yourself.  the pinouts for a crossover are not complicated.04:39
black_nightmareone second04:39
sabmocfoks? lol04:39
PacoBCNnanaem, yes04:39
sabmocnanaem, not really04:39
lewizcaffinated: Okay.  I'll have to go grab the switch.  It won't take long but it would have been handy.  I've not got any cable or a crimping tool here :P04:39
nanaemyes and no :)04:39
sabmoclisten to PacoBCN04:40
PacoBCNnanaem, there is a free software called Explore2(something)04:40
PacoBCNnanaem, let me look for it04:40
HarryBahlsAnybody has a favorite news client they use for binaries? My favorite for win32 was Xnews, but there's no linux equiv.04:40
PacoBCNnanaem, however, it's for reading not writing it04:40
sabmocHarryBahls, pan04:40
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caffinatedlewiz: the last time i had that problem and was in a hurry, it was a swiss army knife and duct tape.  my network engineer friend almost blew a fuse heh.04:40
Pizbitexplore2fs iirc04:40
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black_nightmarecrimsun here we are and mine's CT2230 just for the info anyhow http://www.rk86.com/th99/i/C-D/53581.htm04:41
PacoBCNnanaem, Pizbit said it, it's Explore2fs04:41
nanaemah, thx for the info. i'll go check it out... thx again...04:41
black_nightmaredoesn't even list card irq so it can't be non-pnp (unless its locked to only one irq which is not describled then)04:41
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sabmoccool, I didnt know04:41
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helio7thanks crimsun that worked great where should I go to learn that bash language?  is there a good book or resource you would recommend for learning stuff like that?  ((for i in $(seq 888 892); do cp 050327_4$i.jpg /new/path/; done))04:42
PizbitForgotten what it's called though, deleted windows ages ago04:42
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Pizbithelio7: You're going to hate me for this, but google bash howto, there's at least a trillion:D04:42
dtsi can't get postgresql to work because I don't know the initial password and user information04:42
black_nightmareor also www.teoma.com too :p04:42
crimsunhelio7: tldp.org, check the bash scripting how-tos, tutorials, etc.04:43
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crimsunhelio7: and of course, read the man page.04:43
lewizcaffinated: Heh.  Got the switch now.  Much easier than messing about with crimping tools anyway ;)04:43
aghastergcc doesnt come with hoary?04:43
lunitikaghaster: apt-get install build-essential04:43
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black_nightmareaghaster... do 'apt-get gcc' in terminal04:43
helio7naw Pizbit thank you i'm actually taking a class currently called Intro to Unix/Linux using the Bash shell, but the language part of it isn't included really, it's too shallow a course... thanks crimsun04:43
black_nightmareits there04:43
lunitikaghaster: and to make life easier... apt-get build-dep pkg whenever you want to compile something...04:44
lunitikelse you get to figure it out as you go... wich is no fun.04:44
examndirtbagi get an error when i try to write a cd:  The system is too slow to write the CD at this speed. Try a lower speed.04:44
aghasterlunitik is there a list of packages i can get easily like that?04:44
VjazIsn't the Macromedia Flash plugins supposed to work with ESD?04:44
PizbitYeah it is04:44
black_nightmarecrimsun nevermind I'm going to bed now anyhow04:44
VjazIt never seems to work for me.04:44
black_nightmaresee you tomorrow or so04:44
black_nightmarebye now04:44
BukkakeUhm . . . I was just looking (and comparing) the php info files (<?php phpinfo(); ?>)from my web host that I bought to locally with what I've managed to set up with apache2 and whatnot.. in it, it _seems_ that mysql, on my part, isn't somehow configured (or enabled) with apache3 . . . first of all, where is the configuration file for apache2 located . . . sorry, I'm new to apache (and Linux)04:44
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lunitikaghaster: the deb-src listings in /etc/apt/sources.list allow you to do that...04:44
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smouchefolks, I'm completely stumped by an annoying little problem with desktop graphics-- hope someone can enlighten me04:45
Skaaahaha bukakke04:45
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caffinatedlewiz: you bet :)04:45
smouche24-bit color, widescreen laptop04:45
lunitikaghaster: also -b and source (which can be used together...)04:45
crimsunVjaz: yes.  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.104:45
VjazIt did work with a game called N, which was bundled with it's own Flash player. Sort of standalone.04:45
Vjazcrimsun: Hm... ok.04:45
Skaaadoes anyone know any windows help channels on IRC?04:45
smouchephotos look great, but any gradient wallpaper looks horrible04:45
lunitikSkaaa: not on freenode I'd imagine04:46
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lunitikSkaaa: efnet has one afaik04:46
sabmocSkaaa, this is pretty much all open source server afaik, you'll have to find a different server.04:46
eruin"Windows help channel" :P04:46
smouchenot just wallpaper, but gradients applied to background color-- horrible looking -- any ideas?04:46
SkaaaI feel like such an idiot coming here for windows and linux help04:46
Skaaajust wondering04:46
helio7'bash scripting' and 'bash programming' is more or less the same right?04:47
lunitikSkaaa: /newserver irc.efnet.org04:47
sabmochelio7, yep04:47
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coreDumped69anybody here with experience in dual monitor setups, xinerama?04:48
Skaaayo core dumped, i am having problems with mine, maybe we have the same problem?04:48
Vjazcrimsun: Wow. It did help. Thanks. Makes me wonder how the Flash plugin is ever supposed to work with ESD if it only supports version 1.x, which doesn't exist...04:49
coreDumped69I'm helping a friend, he's got onboard i810 and a savage card... we can get each card to work on its own, but not both together...04:49
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crimsunVjaz: yeah, blame the Macromedia folks.04:49
Skaaanot the  same problem as me, but I know that often times making an onboard card work with another card is not sucessful04:49
Vjazcrimsun: You sound sarcastic. Are you?04:50
Skaaai tried it and ended up giving up and buying a card that supports dual monitors04:50
Skaaaalthough I am still having problems :-\04:50
crimsunVjaz: no, I'm being serious.04:51
kerframilhi. is it possible to instruct apt to recurse the dependencies of say, gnome-desktop, and show me the versions of all packages that are installed that satisfy it?04:51
jroesanyone know how I could burn a .bin file in Ubuntu?04:51
coreDumped69doh, this is a turning point of whether I can get him to stay with linux or not04:51
kerframiljroes: try bin2iso04:51
coreDumped69jroes, got a cue file as well?04:51
jroescoreDumped69: yup04:52
GhostFaceKillavlc does not pop onto my gnome menu04:52
GhostFaceKillaand how do I put it there?04:52
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jroeskerframil: hm, that's not in the default packages, I guess I should really add those extra sources04:52
kerframiljroes: hmm, it appears that it isn't in any of the standard sources. you could try cdrdao as suggested or look for a source at apt-get.org I suppose.04:53
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: hoary?04:53
jroescdrdao isn't in the default sources04:53
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GhostFaceKillacrimsun, yes04:54
kerframiljroes: it's in universe04:54
kerframiljroes: also, the rarewares.org repo has it04:54
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: which vlc-related packages do you have installed, just vlc, or wxvlc, too?04:54
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GhostFaceKillacrimsun, yeah both04:55
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: ok, I'll fix that.  Thanks for reporting.04:56
kerframiljroes: they may be in your sources.list file already but commented. also, apt-config can be handy for this sort of thing.04:56
GhostFaceKillacrimsun, no problem. I found a "bug"?04:57
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: a goof-up on my part, yes.04:57
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crimsunjroes: wget.04:58
difektadoes anyone know how to select which hash alg you want gpg to use when you sign?04:58
jroeshaha :)04:59
GhostFaceKillacrimsun, in general one can't manually edit menus in Gnome 2.10?04:59
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: correct, though hopefully there will be one for Breezy.04:59
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: the next Ubuntu stable release following Hoary.05:00
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GhostFaceKillacrimsun, wait that long until one is able to edit the menus? What have to wai tfor the next Gnome release? Don't they know this is a problem to leave out this feature?05:02
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ice_1963how can i get synaptic to work in kubuntu05:03
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kerframilGhostFaceKilla: it has caused some controversy indeed - you can still make .desktop entries in /usr/share/applications though05:03
eruinGhostFaceKilla: I think the general consensus it's not really a big problem05:03
GhostFaceKillacrimsun, or are all packagers expected to make their apps automagically appear in the menu, unlike yours did?;)05:03
kerframilGhostFaceKilla: there is also denu.sourceforge.net05:03
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: it's up to the packagers.05:03
hou5tonI have worked hard to figure out why I can't get sounds to work in Xchat on Hoary. I had them working in Warty. If I put in the path to a particular program to play a sound file, it will work then, but opens a new instance of that application each time05:04
hou5tonbut the automatic doesn't work05:04
hou5toni show that aplay is in /usr/bin05:04
hou5tonand xchat supposedly uses that05:04
GhostFaceKillaweird Gnome went that route05:04
difektait's the woo05:04
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difektayo, i bomb atomically..socrates philosophies and hypotheses..05:04
difektacan't define how i be droppin these.05:05
GhostFaceKilladifekta, yeah yeha yeah05:05
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Roeyhello again05:05
difektathey didn't play when i went to see them with rage.05:05
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eruin"socrates philosophies and hypotheses"?05:05
eruin1 out of 10 points for lyrics05:05
Bukkaketiny question: should I use phpmyadmin to for account administration?05:05
GhostFaceKillaeruin, lyrics05:05
difektacan't define how i be droppin these..mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery.  flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me.05:05
errr#wu-tabg :D05:06
difektai've seen, and given five to, ODB and Raekwon05:06
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eruinugh, I've always said american music sucks, sorry.05:06
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difektathey played in the small college town of Lawrence kansas.05:06
difektawhere do you live eruin ?05:06
Roeycan anyone help me out with this weird problem in booting Ubuntu? I get this when I boot the standard kernel:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/a76TwZ20.html05:07
eruinnorway, europe05:07
difektai live in san francisco and i think tons of us music rocks.05:07
difektayou like sigur ros?05:07
difektai love them.05:07
scottjI installed tomboy from ubuntu and it worked once but while I was changing my prefs it crashed and now when I try to add it to the panel it says "The panel encountered a problem while loading ". Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? -- Now I can't get it to load up anymore, even after logging out05:07
GhostFaceKillaeruin, if by "suck" you mean influenced just about everyone on the planet....yeah it sucks..05:07
eruinthe best part is I understand his lyrics ;)05:07
BukkakeLittle question: how can I view my harddrive info on command-line?05:07
GhostFaceKillaand wtf is "american music"?05:07
GhostFaceKillathats like "american water"?05:07
eruinanything stemming from america ;)05:07
difektai like sigur ros, radiohead, keane, coldplay, etc., and i still love wu tang..50 cent..05:08
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dodgeeeJoin in WWW.AREM.CJB.NET - The Best Sex HP.... There u find photos, movies for downldoad and much more....Teens, anal, oral, sex, lesbians....join !!!.... WWW.AREM.CJB.NET !!! Dont have any popups !!!05:08
BukkakeI'll give a little kiss to whomever answers my question :x05:08
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eruinand rap/hiphop in particular ;P05:08
difektaelliot smith didn't suck.05:08
Skaaawhat the fuck?05:08
GhostFaceKillaeruin, lol, I kid you...but sounds liek the dreaded <gasp> "anti-americanism"05:08
eruinthe beatles sucked, I'll giv eyou that too :P05:08
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difektayou should check out my music eruin at brokenladder.com05:08
eruinGhostFaceKilla: nah, don't suffer from that05:08
BukkakeLittle question: how can I view my harddrive info on command-line . . . ? :s05:08
jroescdrecord just doesn't like my box05:09
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Whifflehey woah how'd i end up on an ubuntu server..05:09
GhostFaceKillaeruin, good, I always say: dislike what you will, just have a good reason for it at least05:09
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Whiffleoh well, i use ubuntu :-P05:09
kerframilBukkake: sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda05:09
Bukkakethank yhou05:09
kerframilBukkake: you can also cat the various files under, say, /proc/ide/hda/05:09
eruinGhostFaceKilla: the problem is probably that any good music coming out of there is drowned by the commercialized crap05:10
GhostFaceKillaI just fixed my dma on my rom drives today05:10
BukkakeAhh .. thanks again05:10
kerframilBukkake: and review dmesg ... dmesg | less05:10
lewizYey.  Cute little cursors.05:10
spredaubuntu (warty) dials out, establishs a connection with my isp. various logs contain the host and remote ip numbers, but firefox, xchat, apt don't seem to connect. any clues, please? the user owns everything, as far as I can see05:10
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GhostFaceKillaeruin, I TOTALLY agree and can't stand the comercial trash....corpro-pop-foo05:10
eruinGhostFaceKilla: yeh, the stuff swamps the lists, music shows and everything here, holding back the good music05:11
eruinand since most of that music is from the usa, I've come to despise _any_ music originating from it..05:12
GhostFaceKillaeruin, I'm running nicotine now, seems the euros love soulseek, and I have been downloading lots of various stuff05:12
GhostFaceKillaeruin, if you are on it, lets share some time?05:12
eruinGhostFaceKilla: sorry, I'm not.. I only use BT ;-)05:12
Skaaathis sounds stupid, but i need help with *COUGH* a windows computer. I dont know where else to go.05:12
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eruinthepiratebay.org ;>05:12
GhostFaceKillaeruin, how do you BT with no search engine?05:13
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eruinGhostFaceKilla: by using the one above :P05:13
eruinand my trusty old companion, gnome-btdownload05:13
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GhostFaceKillaeruin, don't riddle me now man? The one above? What God?05:13
eruinit's in swedish though05:14
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eruinfinding your way around shouldnt be too difficult05:14
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eruinsk = search ;>05:14
GhostFaceKillayeah, thats why i don't use BT for music...05:15
GhostFaceKillaI'm not smart enough05:15
eruinthat site is the very best thing for albums dc++ aside05:15
GhostFaceKillafinding what you want is such a hassle05:15
josuewhat is a good mail applet besides mail notification and gnubiff guys?05:16
eruinand it's responsible for atleast 50 of my most recent album purchases ;)05:16
GhostFaceKillaand I don't speak 5 languages because I'm an ignorant american..stuck with inly one language05:16
eruinjosue: flink05:16
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eruinGhostFaceKilla: lol05:16
eruinand I'd have thought you knew atleast mexican05:16
GhostFaceKillaonly the president speaks "mexican"05:17
GhostFaceKillaI know a lil spanish though?05:17
josuehey eruin, thanks05:17
GhostFaceKillaIs that the same?;)05:17
eruinGhostFaceKilla: mostly05:17
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GhostFaceKillahow about spanglish?05:17
eruinjosue salazar05:17
Guilmonthe most obsurd picture... http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1111975151379.jpg05:18
eruinmy girlfriend has been trying to teach me spanish after she was in bolivia05:18
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josuelol yep05:18
eruinmy spanish resembles spanglish I think05:18
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josueyou guys are lost05:18
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GhostFaceKillalatinas estas muy caliente!05:19
eruinvery much so ;)05:19
eruinsi, si05:19
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GhostFaceKillaI have to finish spanish in order to get my degree05:19
eruinGuilmon: is that the absurdly annoying woman they keep talking about in the media day in and day out?05:19
GhostFaceKillalooking for a good latina to "tutor" me05:19
Guilmoneruin: yes :(05:20
eruinGuilmon: gosh, I hate that05:20
eruinGuilmon: any sensible human being would say pull the plug05:20
Guilmoneruin: there are deaths like this every day in hospitals, how come this woman gets fame?05:20
Guilmoneruin: ditto05:20
josuelas chicas latinas son unas ricas!05:20
Guilmoneruin: Its getting real annoying to where, I just wish she would die already05:20
eruinand the whole "president aborts easter holidays to sign new law" thing is becoming a giant farse05:20
Guilmonshes been 9 days without food or water05:20
eruinGuilmon: same.05:20
josueGuilmon agreed also05:21
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eruinI want INTERESTING news05:21
eruinIMPORTANT news05:21
Roeywhat are the nvidia packages for xorg?05:21
josuemay i recommend a good article about Terri?05:21
Guilmonthe husband should be charged with murder though, since he could have just handed her to her parents05:21
eruinnot some mumbojumbo about some random dead woman05:21
RoeyGuilmon:  absolutely05:21
Guilmonthe guy has a slut and 2 kids which aren't terri schivos05:21
GhostFaceKillabecause its good for the religious fundemental freaks in this country to rally around...it also takes away from Senator Frists criminal activities...Like the MJ "trial"05:21
jinxKatthere are nvidia packages for xorg05:21
josueblog post from yestterday05:22
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: most likely05:22
RoeyjinxKat:  did you say there are or there are not05:22
jinxKatRoey: was asking a question05:22
GhostFaceKillaGuilmon, I'm in FL05:22
BukkakeI'm on command-line at mysql.. heaven forbid, I don't need to get case-sensative now, do I?05:22
GhostFaceKillaIts a fiasco05:22
Roeywhat's religiously fundamental about a parent's right to protect their kid's life?05:22
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: yep.05:22
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: it will be over soon, don't worry05:22
RoeyjinxKat:  yeah there are I just forgot the package names05:22
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: I give her 1 day, 2 at the max.05:22
GhostFaceKillaRoey, its not up to her parents anymore...has'nt been for a long time05:23
geneo93x-window-system-core this package slows down your computer05:23
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  I think you're full of it.05:23
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: actually, there will be more. They will probably fight over how she will be buried ;)05:23
geneo93why is that05:23
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RoeyGuilmon:  they very much will fight05:23
GhostFaceKillaHer nervous system is toast05:23
GhostFaceKillawhat life...shes been dead for years05:24
RoeyGuilmon:  the husband wants to destroy evi^W^Wcremate her05:24
eruinRoey: what life are you talking about?05:24
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  so what does the husband care?05:24
GhostFaceKillaand why am I "full of it' again?05:24
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  he's made his life with another woman and their two kids05:24
GuilmonRoey: heh. and the parents want a burial ;)05:24
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jinxKatmwa aah ha ha05:24
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Dreamer3gets hot?05:24
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  what the hell does he want from her if she's been "dead for years"?05:24
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GuilmonjinxKat: this is an intellectual conversation. I think people can act like grown ups here05:24
eruinone thing norway and the us has i common is that the country is run by religious fanatics05:24
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GhostFaceKillaRoey, its not about what he cares...only in he cares enough to carry out his wifes last wishes...which was clearly not to be left in a vegative state05:24
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RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  but she is not in a PVS05:25
jinxKatbite me05:25
Guilmoneruin: agreed.05:25
Guilmoneruin: aka Republicans ;)05:25
GhostFaceKillaRoey, well thats for the doctors to debate, not Sen. Frist via satelite05:25
Roeyat least the country isn't being run by liberals, thank god.05:25
eruinwe've got a mix of rightwing immigrant-unfriendly f*cks and the people's christian party05:25
eruinyou do the math05:25
GuilmonRoey: I'm neutral ;)05:25
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  to debate while she's being starved to death brutally?05:26
GhostFaceKillaRoey, how did we get on "liberals" and who running the country?05:26
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  someone said republicans, so I said liberals.05:26
eruindefine "liberals"05:26
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: liberals were brought up in the news05:26
GhostFaceKillayou can "starve to death" someone who is dead05:26
smouchejesus, here we are in Florida.  The twilight zone of the United States.  Fuck.  Back to #kubuntu.05:26
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: they argue to save convicts from the death sentence, but they don't fight for schivo.05:26
GhostFaceKillanone said "repulicans" did they?05:26
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GhostFaceKillaGuilmon, who again?05:27
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: the liberals05:27
GhostFaceKillalol, oh THEM...lol05:27
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: they are stupid morons who are confused.05:27
eruinone could easily argue that life in jail is a worse sentence than death penalty05:27
GhostFaceKillayeah yeah05:27
GuilmonGhostFaceKilla: I think I'll buy the book, "liberals explained"05:27
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GhostFaceKilladeath to liberals05:27
GhostFaceKillaand all that05:27
Roeyeruin:  tree-hugging marijuana-smoking israel-hating pedantic pretentious dhimmi fucks who are so "concerned" with their public perception that they miss the forest for the trees.05:27
GhostFaceKillasieg heil!05:27
eruinanyway, both republicans and democrats are asshats05:27
eruinRoey: what is there to like about israel?05:28
GhostFaceKillaeruin, exactly05:28
Guilmoneruin: agreed05:28
Roeyeruin:  let's not go there.05:28
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eruinIsrael should be relieved of its territory05:28
mhzanyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?05:28
eruinhuman-rights violating governments and secret-nuclear-programme states don't have the right to live05:28
GhostFaceKillaeruin, LOL, what out there, you might get banned...The owner of Freenode is a Zionist05:28
smoucheGlad everyone's ubuntu systems are running so smoothly, obviously no life-support required.  What is this, CNN?05:28
sabmoceruin, if you want to bash governments do it elsewhere05:29
eruinIsrael as a nation and jews is hardly the same thing though05:29
GhostFaceKillaeruin, LOL see05:29
sabmoceruin, ubuntu is non political05:29
spreda_ubuntu (warty) dials out, establishs a connection with my isp. various logs contain the host and remote ip numbers, but firefox, xchat, apt don't seem to connect. any clues, please? the user owns everything, as far as I can see, and it all works on diff OS on same box05:29
GhostFaceKillaeruin, you beter run05:29
eruinI'll stfu05:29
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geneo93spreda i use pppd to connect05:30
sabmoceruin, :) Im not agreeing or disagreeing, just saying 'please dont do that here'05:30
spreda_so do I05:30
RoeyGhostFaceKilla:  that freaking zionist jew eh? he should be shot, right?05:30
geneo93set it up manualy in terminal05:30
GhostFaceKillaeruin, ubuntu is non political ?!? LOL since when? What does ubuntu mean again? If the definition of Ubuntu is NOT politicall wtf is? Thats the ONLY reason I use Ubuntu, is for its political stance. JC05:30
Roeythis is the problem with freenode... all these kuro5hin-class neohippies.05:30
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eruinsabmoc: no worries, I just tend to get annoyed by ignorant fools voicing opinions like the last one in this channel ;)05:31
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Roeyme too.05:33
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spreda_geneo93: I was connected for more than an hour without being able to get anything to work05:33
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Whifflei installed ubuntu last night and I am liking it very much :D05:34
geneo93spreda_:  well mine was the same way till i set it up the way it is now05:35
spreda_geneo93: what simple thing have I missed05:35
geneo93pppconfig and set that up05:35
spreda_did that, and it connnects to the isp05:36
geneo93none of the gui apps work05:36
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spreda_geneo93: apt didn't either05:37
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syndhi guys05:37
geneo93spreda_:  try ifconfig and see whats blocking it05:37
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TegkIs anyone here having any issues with firefox? It seems that running 2.6.11, each time I close firefox after doing some browsing, my entire system locks up.05:37
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njanTegk, firefox has been a little unstable for me recently, but I put it down to my system being hacked to death05:38
syndwhere do i find the package "ndiswrapper-utils" ?05:38
syndi launched synaptic05:38
spreda_gen actually on thesame box, diff os ATM05:38
syndbut its not there05:38
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syndim trying to get ubuntu to recognize my wireless card in my PC05:39
Tegknjan: Hacked to death? In what manner? This is a fresh hoary install. Perhaps I need to redo my iptables05:39
Pizbitspreda_: It's probably in universe or more likely multiverse so you'd need those enabled.05:39
mhzanyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?05:39
njanTegk, I meant that my installation of warty is hacked to death :)05:39
Pizbitspreda_: Oops, wrong person:)05:39
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: I'm test-building.05:40
Pizbitsynd: Read what I just said05:40
spreda_geneo93: actually on the same box, diff os ATM05:40
TegkI see.05:40
Tegksynd: I think you're looking for ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source.05:41
Jeezissynd: use apt-get install ndiswrapper05:41
syndsorry guys i just got Ubuntu up and running yesterday.05:41
yoko-omois there a place to go to find all gnome/ubuntu keyboard shortcuts?05:41
spreda_Pizbit: np05:41
yoko-omosynd: no reason to apologize05:41
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TegkWell this is just bloody strange. Any ideas of where I could find some logs that might indicate WTH is going wrong in these crashes?05:41
syndaint ever used linux before.. but i am fluent with OSX !05:41
Jeezissynd: lol05:41
Pizbityoko-omo: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts for gnome05:42
TegkEver use the term on OSX, synd?05:42
syndndiswrapper on OSX? sure havent05:42
PizbitTegk: ahhh!05:42
TegkNo, the terminal, the console.05:42
PizbitTegk: What version of nvidia drivers?05:42
syndohhh yeah05:43
syndits similar05:43
TegkMe, no nvidia. This is an older (Who am I kidding, ancient) box, neomagic chipset.05:43
syndfrom what ive seen as of yet05:43
PizbitTegk: Doh, sounded just like a problem with the latest set of nvidia drivers heh05:43
mhzanyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?05:43
Tegksynd: Very similar, though, I believe OSX uses a c shell.05:43
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TegkSo, in the terminal apt-get install ndiswrapper[-util|-source] 05:44
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Dreamer3are there any new distros on linux specifically designed to run on older boxes (64mb ram) with X, browser, e-mail, etc?05:44
syndtype apt-get install ndiswrapper[-util|-source] 05:44
Dreamer3ubuntu is just about unusable05:44
yoko-omoanyone wanna try and help me with a problem with firefox?05:44
syndinto terminal?05:44
crimsunDreamer3: dsl?05:44
Dreamer3crimsun: ?05:45
Tegkyoko: what's going on?05:45
crimsunDreamer3: I have a 32 MB machine that crunches along with Ubuntu05:45
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crimsunDreamer3: it runs blackbox05:45
Dreamer3crimsun: ah...05:45
PizbitDreamer3: Damn Small Linux or whatever it is?05:45
Tegksynd: yes, but just choose one ending at a time. Source would be your best bet first05:45
crimsun8-bit colour05:45
yoko-omoTegk: everytime I log onto some sites, they crash firefox05:45
yoko-omofor instance, www.milwaukeebrewers.com05:45
Dreamer3crimsun: good thought05:45
geneo93why wont nicotine connect05:46
yoko-omoThe program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.05:46
yoko-omoThis probably reflects a bug in the program.05:46
yoko-omoThe error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)'.05:46
yoko-omo  (Details: serial 51 error_code 172 request_code 149 minor_code 2)05:46
yoko-omo  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;05:46
yoko-omo   that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.05:46
yoko-omo   To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line05:46
yoko-omo   option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful05:46
yoko-omo   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)05:46
Pizbityoko-omo: Don't spam us.05:46
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yoko-omodidn't mean to do that to this window05:46
Tegkyoko- try starting it from the terminal, and let me know what error it blows out on exit.05:46
yoko-omothat is what it blows out05:46
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akkyoko-omo: A lot of times, crashes like that are from a plugin, like flash.05:47
yoko-omoakk: I see, so reinstall the mozilla-flash?05:47
yoko-omoor just delete it?05:47
TegkI missed that. Try that05:47
Tegkthough, it sounds alot like an X error (shm being an X extention)05:48
yoko-omowell, it crashes firefox completely05:49
yoko-omoand it's not on every site05:49
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TegkOnly ones with flash, correct?05:49
yoko-omonot sure, since I can't view them :)05:50
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maxcheedoes anyone know how to start ubuntu without starting x05:50
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maxcheeand how to properly shut down x05:50
sysrqmaxchee: gdm starts automaticly, you can remove the initscript if you don't want it to05:51
TegkMaxchee: 1: Remove [G/K/X] DM from your startup scripts. 2: The proper way is to just end your windowmanager.05:51
yoko-omoit works05:51
yoko-omoomg it works05:51
TegkThat's good!05:51
yoko-omoI didn't check but apparently I had installed libflash-mozplugin and not flashplayer-mozilla05:52
mhzanyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?05:52
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Tegkmhz: Tried google? Oh, and check the SANE site. They have a list of supported scanners.05:52
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maxcheeTegk: killall metacity?05:53
syndTegk: im still lost with this ndiswrapper-utils deal05:53
mhzTegk: I have read a lot and googled too, that is why I am herjust in case someone has.05:53
TegkWell, what are you trying to do, specifically?05:53
maxcheeTegk: also, how to prevent it from restarting?05:53
TegkNDISwrapper is not a simple install (unfortunately.)05:53
Pizbitmaxchee: If [xgk] dm init scripts have been removed X wont restart05:53
crimsunmaxchee: the simplest way is to rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*05:54
TegkSee above:05:54
syndwell it's the only way I can get this wireless card to be recognized by Ubuntu, right?05:54
maxcheeI just thought that qemu+kqemu might run faster without the overhead of gdm05:54
Tegkjust checked the site05:54
TegkDo you have the ndiswrapper site in your sources.list ? (Check /etc/apt/05:55
syndhow do i check that05:55
Tegkjust look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list05:55
PizbitTegk: It's all very well to look somewhere, but useless if you don't know what to look for.05:56
TegkI don't think you do, but just try the following at your console: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source05:56
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Tegkpizbit: Sorry, I know, i get ahead of myself somemtimes.05:56
syndyeah, it's not showing it in the sources.list05:57
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TegkThat's fine. Did you try the command?05:57
syndReading Package Lists... Done05:57
syndBuilding Dependency Tree... Done05:57
syndE: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-source05:57
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Pizbitsynd: Enable universe and multiverse by reading this, then try installing ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:58
syndhow exactly do i enable universe and multiverse05:59
syndhaha sorry : ( gotta start somewhere !06:00
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delltonyedit your sources.list file06:00
Pizbitsynd: You go to primary school and learn how to read.06:00
delltony with gedit /etc/apt/sources.list06:01
PizbitYou then read what I said.06:01
fangorioushow can I list all packages that depend on kubuntu-desktop?06:01
PizbitAnd then read the relevent parts of the page I linked too which says exactly how to enable them.06:01
Tekmavenwhy will libtool only allow stuff to install to /usr/local/lib?06:01
Tekmaventhe software i'm installing wants to put stuff in /usr/lib06:01
PizbitTekmaven: Are you installing via other means than synaptic/apt ?06:02
syndPizbit: Oh. I didnt understand that you meant by reading the site. My apologies.06:02
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geneo93where is that site to configure java after its installed links and so on06:04
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fangorioushow do I list a packages dependencies with dpkg or apt?06:06
Pizbitapt-cache show packagename06:06
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eclipsehow come i can't kde?06:07
fangoriouseclipse, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop06:07
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fangoriousPizbit, is there a way to show all the packages that depend on a specifc package?06:08
eclipsefangorious, so i can't do apt-get install kde?...it has to be apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?06:08
PizbitEr, try uninstall it and see what else has to be removed as well?:) other than that, no idea06:08
projectmayhemhey all06:08
projectmayhemeclipse couldn't you just download kubuntu?06:09
projectmayhemeclipse that's what i did...06:09
Pizbiteclipse: You can just install kde, you'll need to enable universe though I believe06:09
geneo93eclipse:  yes that will work06:09
wannabeapt-get install kubuntu-desktop06:09
wannabeisnt working06:09
PizbitUse sudo:P06:09
fangoriouswannabe, hoary 5.04-preview?06:09
Pizbitand 'isnt working' is *really* informative06:09
wannabei mean06:10
eclipsewannabe, so does apt-get kubuntu-desktop work or not?06:10
luckymarcianocan any one hack my ubuntu ?06:10
geneo93eclipse:  all you need is kde06:10
wannabecouldnt find package for kubuntu06:10
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wannabecouldnt find packagekubuntu06:10
projectmayhemwannabe you have correct repos?06:11
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wannabei wrote kubuntu06:11
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eclipsegeneo93. when i tried that it gave me an error message saying i needed to install some kde...package but it won't install06:11
geneo93and all you need is kde thats what i used and its fine06:11
fangoriouseclipse, kubuntu-desktop has a more complete set of packages then kde06:11
wannabehow to fix that06:11
projectmayhemwannabe you have bittorrent?06:12
fangoriouseclipse, run `apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop` and `apt-cache show kde` to see the differences06:12
fangoriouswannabe, run `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`06:12
eclipseanother thing, how come i can't install the latest nvidia driver?06:12
kyouensDVD problem with Hoary Devel Release, Dell D610.....I have installed dvdcss2, dvdnav, etc.  When I try to play a DVD in any progam (mplayer, xine--whatever) it gets _stuck_ on libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x00000186.....and the process becomes unkillable06:13
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Pizbiteclipse: Probably because it's horribly unstable06:13
LithiAny known issues with DFI nf4 64bit mobos and Ubuntu 64 4.10? It stalls after install trying to start hotpluging services.06:13
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kyouensanybody got any ideas?06:14
projectmayhemkyouens did you install libdvdcss2 from apt-get?06:15
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kyouensyes I did projectmaybe06:15
Dreamer3ok, are there other tiny distros, or DSL is about the best?06:15
projectmayhemkyouens sorry didn't read that that well06:15
kyouenseverything installed fine...perhaps somehow the libdvdcss package is working with the devel release yet. . .06:16
kyouens(is NOT working I mean)06:16
projectmayhemkyouens maybe driver for your dvd drive?06:16
eclipseone last thing...i don't know if this is a bug or not but the gnome desktop doesn't refresh that fast06:16
projectmayhemkyouens also do you have symbolic link for /dev/dvd ?06:16
kyouensprojectmayhem:  The drive works fine with nautilus, etc file browsinng.  Also yes I have the symlinks06:17
kyouensIt seems to be an isolated prob with DVD playing06:17
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projectmayhemkyouens that's really weird... all the codecs installed?06:17
eclipsefor example. when i download something sometimes it wouldn't appear on the desktop and the only way to get it to appear on the desktop is to do Alt-R to refresh it06:17
kyouenseclipse:  I have noticed that behavior as well06:17
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eclipseany patches?06:17
kyouenseclipse:  not that I know of06:18
eclipsekyouens, right?06:18
kyouenseclipse:  what?06:18
projectmayhemeclipse maybe you are getting that because your graphics driver is not functioning?06:18
eclipsethat's y i want to switch to kde06:18
eclipsebut kde has a bug too06:18
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kyouenseclipse:  no patches that I know of for the slow desktop refresh.  Also, before switching to KDE, know that it's not perfect yet either06:18
projectmayhemnvidia driver not working = slow graphics06:18
eclipseno, this has nothing to do with that06:19
projectmayhemeclipse no software is perfect and bug free, duh06:19
^thehatsrule^Dreamer3, it depends on what you need06:19
eclipseprojectmayhem, i have the nvidia driver installed with openGL enabled06:19
projectmayhemeclipse oh, then it shouldn't be a problem06:20
projectmayhemeclipse hoary or warty?06:20
yoko-omocedega is my favorite lunix app06:20
projectmayhemeclipse that could be part of it, hoary (since its unstable and all) tends to run slower06:20
projectmayhemyoko omo don't you have to pay for that??06:20
eclipsealso in kde, the desktop icon text doesn't support long filename06:20
yoko-omoprojectmayhem: yes06:21
projectmayhemyoko-omo shame on paying for linux software that's like immoral06:21
eclipseprojectmayhem, no it happens in fedora core 3 also06:21
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yoko-omoprojectmayhem: yah, and bittorrenting the deb file jhurts06:21
Pizbitprojectmayhem: Hoary is hardly unstable this far away from the release:)06:21
LeeJunFanwow - even slackware dropped gnome.06:22
projectmayhemeclipse hm... tough to say then. i've not much experience with gnome06:22
projectmayhemeclipse and i've never had to refresh it06:22
PizbitLeeJunFan: Woa, people pay attention to slackware?06:22
kyouensi'm using the hoary devel version and for the most part, it's very stable.06:22
projectmayhempizbit yeah distrowatch06:22
kyouenshowever, the multimedia sucks I must say06:22
yoko-omoI can play WoW on my linux machine06:22
eclipseprojectmayhem, maybe u don't download as much as me06:22
Pizbitkyouens: You've read this right? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:23
geneo93x-window-system-core has a problem it the colperate that slows everything down06:23
kyouensyes Pizbit....I am just bitter because my DVD drive won't work after much jacking with it06:23
eclipseprojectmayhem, also it's fine if u just create a file or folder on the desktop and it will appear on it right away with no problems06:23
Pizbitkyouens: Mine worked more or less out of the box(had to get the dvd packges of course)06:23
eclipseanyone tried xfce?06:23
projectmayhemeclipse no i don't download a whole lot.... other than.. umm. totally legal stuff on limewire06:24
Pizbiteclipse: Yeah, it sucks, it's like gnome without the good things06:24
projectmayhemeclipse what does it do?06:24
kyouensPizbit--I am using a Dell D610 and the Hoary Devel Release (because none of the other releases, including hoary preview, recognized my cd drive at all on install)06:24
^thehatsrule^xfce is alright... its lighter06:24
kyouenspizbit:  Everything else works great pretty much.06:24
projectmayhemoh is it a desktop environment?06:24
^thehatsrule^yes... it is06:24
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kyouensxfce is very nice06:25
eclipsexfce is a desktop environment much like gnome or kde06:25
projectmayhemdidn't know06:25
kyouensI've used it for years when I was using fedora06:25
sysrqI use gnome with openbox06:25
randabis_kde 3.4 here06:26
Pizbitkyouens: These are all the dvd packages I have installed: http://pastebin.ca/834006:26
eclipseanyone knows which DE is the fastest with lots of features?06:26
Tekmavenhow can I always set an env variable?06:26
randabis_gnome and xfce both have their merits, but the new kde is awesome06:26
kyouenspizbit, thanks a lot, I'm looking at it06:27
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BukkakeI tried running xfce on this 266 mhz machine.. quite frankly, it isn't so lighter than GNOME . . . I don't know why everyone says that, but I don't think it's lighter than GNOME :x06:27
Tekmavendesktops will always be debated ;-)06:27
Tekmavenits MUCH lighter then gnome Bukkake ;-)06:27
Tekmavenbut it relies on GTK2 which isn't *that* light06:27
randabis_the memory footprint of xfce is much smaller than gnome06:27
roo9hi, i just upgraded to hoary from warthog and now my NDISWrapper-based Wlan card no longer works, any ideas on what to check?06:28
Tekmaveni wanna set an env variable ALWAYS06:28
PizbitTekmaven: Well, most of the people enable gnome/kde services as well...06:28
mhzfluxbox is lighter, a lot!06:28
^thehatsrule^i concur06:28
BukkakeDidn't seem that lighter to me . . . FluxBox seemed definately seemed to be the lightest . . . but I stuck with GNOME 'cuz I had some problems with Fluxbox (probably installed it incorrectly, I'm a nub, so I didn't bother do too much)06:28
Tekmavenexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib64:/usr/local/lib06:28
^thehatsrule^but now it sounds DE war like :P06:28
Tekmavenhow can i set that to always?06:28
randabis_roo9, it doesn't work because when you upgrade to hoary, you also upgrade the kernel...you'll need to reinstall your ndiswrapper drivers06:28
Tekmavenis that .bashrc?06:29
randabis_sure fluxbox is lighter...all it is is a window manager06:29
randabis_gnome, kde, and xfce are full blown desktop environments06:29
Bukkakewell said :D06:29
Bukkakerandabis_, you use xfce on your laptop and gnome on your desktop, which I think you're using now?06:30
Tekmavenrandabis_: i disagree06:30
Tekmaveni dont think xfce is really a full desktop environment yet06:30
Tekmavenit doesnt even have a desktop :-P06:30
roo9randabis_: i thought it might have upgraded the kernel, but i only have one version present in /lib/modules, so are you sure the kernel is upgraded? what version does hoary upgrade to?06:31
randabis_Bukkake, I'm using kde on my desktop now actually06:31
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projectmayhemhehe peace all06:31
Bukkakerandabis_, recently changed?06:31
Tekmaveni used to love KDE06:31
Tekmavenbut since I've installed Ubuntu, i'm a Gnome convert06:31
randabis_Tekmaven, it's more of a desktop environment than fluxbox ever will be06:31
Tekmavengnome is so much more ellegant06:31
eclipsealso does gnome have a feature like windows when some IM you the taskbar window flashes?06:31
randabis_Bukkake, yes, kde 3.4 converted me...it's awesome06:31
Bukkakerandabis_: You're making me think on changing too . . . :o06:32
sysrqfluxbox isn't a DE it's only a WM, however you can use it instead of metacity in gnome06:32
TekmavenGnome 2.10 = nice06:32
^thehatsrule^ive stuck with fluxbox :)06:32
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randabis_took that yesterday06:32
BukkakeBut me being the nub, let's go deeper in this, what is in a desktop (kde, gnome) that a window manager isn't(fluxbox)?06:33
Dreamer3Tekmaven: nicer than 2.8?06:33
^thehatsrule^uhhh.. some apps require kde/gnome-base06:34
randabis_Bukkake, programs like kde control center, the network setup gui tools, etc...the suite of programs that comes with a desktop environment is what distinguishes it from a window manager06:34
^thehatsrule^while fluxbox is just a shell06:34
roo9randabis_: it seems, or so dpkg -S tells me, that the NDISWrapper kernel module comes with linux-image- so...06:34
randabis_roo9, hoary uses 2.6.1006:34
^thehatsrule^randabis_: what sf series is that?06:34
randabis_^thehatsrule^, I don't know06:35
^thehatsrule^aw, you dont actually play? ;p06:35
RoeyBukkake:  ioslaves for one thing06:35
Tekmavenrandabis_: you know whats funny06:35
RoeyBukkake:  consistent printing architecture06:35
Tekmavengaim is a gnome package :-P06:36
RoeyTekmaven:  gnome people like to claim gtk apps as their own06:36
RoeyTekmaven:  gaim, gimp, firefox, xchat..06:36
Tekmavengaim is verymuch so deved with gnome in mind06:36
RoeyTekmaven:  (abiword)06:36
randabis_Tekmaven, what?06:36
^thehatsrule^i love street fighter... just havent seen that game before06:36
randabis_^thehatsrule^, I don't even remember where I got that picture06:37
Roeyrandabis_:  couldja put it up somewhere?06:37
^thehatsrule^hehe, ok ;p06:37
Roeyrandabis_:  on 4chan maybe?06:37
calcRoey: gnome people do? or gnome users? ;)06:37
Tekmavengnome is very ellegant, thats all i need to say06:37
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Tekmaveni'm running Ubuntu PPC06:37
Tekmavenand i like gnome better then OS X06:37
Roeycalc:  Those Who Market Gnome06:38
zelas_metalliumIs there a way to have different wallpapers for each desktop?06:39
randabispersonally, in linux the full mozilla suite loads pages faster than firefox, so I use it06:39
calcRoey: hmm i don't think the official marketers of gnome consider those apps to be part of gnome ;)06:39
randabisespecially the new 1.7.606:39
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geneo93randabis:  i agree06:39
calcjust like some people might say konversation is part of kde (wasn't last i checked anyway)06:39
Bukkakemm, I always thought mozilla suite to be a lot heavier and slower than firefox06:40
calcor k3b06:40
zelas_metalliumspecifically, under gnome06:40
Roeycalc:  er.. so epiphany is still gnome's own browser?06:40
PizbitAbiword is part of the gnome-office package06:40
calcRoey: yes06:40
Roeycalc:  gnome-enabled xchat? gnome-enabled gaim?06:40
Roeyha, ha ha.06:40
calcRoey: last i read (a few months ago) they are intending to fix the issues with it so it can replace ff06:41
calcRoey: there is work on writing a hig compliant IM to replace gaim as well06:41
calcnot sure about xchat06:41
Roeycalc:  I see a lot of potential in a GTK desktop ;)06:42
calcfrom what i have read gaim is definitely not considered a gnome project in that they won't even accept integration work for other gnome things06:42
Roeycalc:  abiword, gimp, gaim, xchat06:42
randabisBukkake, on windows machines that seems to be true for me, but I don't know what it is about linux firefox builds...they are always slower for me than mozilla suite06:42
calcRoey: why not oo.o 2.006:42
BukkakeI've only used it on windows . . . mmhmm, I'll be sure to try it then06:42
Roeycalc:  my point is this:  it seems to me that the GNOME zealots are eagerly claiming ownership of things which are not technically under the GNOME umbrella06:43
Pizbitcalc: There's the gnome-office setup, abiword, die, gimp, gnumeric, planner and inkscape | sodipodi06:43
Roeycalc:  that's like saying qt designer is part of kde.06:43
RoeyPizbit:  gnumeric I can understand being a gnome app; it was likethat from the start06:43
calcRoey: well in your gtk desktop oo.o would be better than abiword06:43
RoeyPizbit:  but gimp, abiword and inkscape are relatively independent GTK projects.06:44
Roeycalc:  ah :)06:44
geneo93calc:  to much bloat06:44
Roeycalc:  see, KDE has all these things written /for/ kde from the start.06:44
Roeybut that's no important06:44
calcto be part of gnome you 1. have to want to be 2. be hig compliant and etc06:44
Roeyimportant thing for gnome is to see development of more *native* gnome apps06:44
calckde has no ui standardization06:44
Roeycalc:  does it need one?06:45
calcso anything written for qt/kdelibs is considered part of kde more or less06:45
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Roeycalc:  (I wasn't meaning to get into a comparison duel)06:45
calcthough technically even koffice is not part of kde06:45
Roeycalc:  kdelibs!06:45
Roeycalc:  qt is different06:45
Roeycalc:  kdelibs is kde...06:45
calconly the things in the official kde releases are part of kde06:45
Roeycalc:  things written for kdelibs are kde apps06:45
regeyanaughty naughty06:45
calcRoey: er that is what i just said :)06:45
regeyaokay, okaay, I for one promise to shut up about gnome in #kubuntu06:45
Roeycalc:  ok then, we're in agreement06:46
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e_machinistheh, regeya, you a gnome fan or a kde fan?06:46
Vjaze_machinist: Does one have to be one or the other?06:47
regeyafan of both, but nowadays more of a kde fan06:47
PizbitKDE people go #kubuntu, gnome people stay, everyone else, enjoy your indentity crisis! :D06:47
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e_machinistVjaz. Nope. Either is good.06:47
Roeycalc:  how about bukkaKe for a kde app name?06:47
calcRoey: heh06:47
e_machinistBut it is kinda hard to use both interchangably all the time.06:47
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calcRoey: thats even worse than PAN ;)06:48
Pizbite_machinist: Welll...06:48
dex1hi can anyone see this? (I may be having connection probs so I need to check)06:48
tritiumhello dex1, yes06:48
Vjaze_machinist: Not everybody likes either of them. And even if they do, they still might not be "fans".06:48
randabisKDE fans are more than welcome here...this is a general ubuntu support channel afterall06:48
geneo93dex1:  yes06:48
Pizbitdex1: I seeeeeeeeeeee youuuu! And yes you should be worried.06:48
dex1trit: thank you06:48
Roeycalc:  Kumshot :P06:48
calcah i found it... gossip06:48
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e_machinistdex1: can see you.06:48
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Bukkakerandabis, are you in the official support team of ubuntu or something?06:48
regeyawho would have ever known that someone beefing up kde support in ubuntu would drive people to be slavering a-holes06:49
dex1I must've been ignored in the other distro room. :D06:49
Pizbitrandabis: Just injecting some humour:)06:49
randabisBukkake, no,I don't think such a team actually exists06:49
Bukkakerandabis: Are you an OP? :)06:49
dex1I have a compatibility question06:49
e_machinistIt is nice that there are two, gnome and kde, large, very competitive projects... I for one hope there will be only one some day though.06:49
zelas_metalliumIs there a way to have different wallpapers for each desktop under gnome?06:49
Pizbite_machinist: There never will be, rest assured.06:49
randabisNo...I am just a lowly user06:49
BukkakeWell, back at this then . . . how exactly should a nub, such as I, come to decide? The applications that come along the two desktops?06:50
e_machinistPizbit: True... but hope is hope.06:50
calczelas_metallium: i don't think so, i tried looking for that a while back06:50
zelas_metalliumcalc, ok, thanks.06:50
regeyae_machinist: never.  gnome is aimed at the "average user" and kde is aimed at users. ;-)  gnome is better for grandma and people who desire a simple interface, and kde is for weirdos like me. ;-)06:50
VjazPizbit: Never say never!06:50
e_machinistBukkake, they both basically provide the same functionality. KDE is somewhat more similar to the standard Windows GUI... Gnome is slightly different in its current state.06:50
PizbitVjaz: Pfft:)06:51
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randabisBukkake, best way is to just try both for a while and decide what you like best (xfce is also a good choice too)...For the most part you can mix and match gtk and qt apps without harm anyway06:51
geneo93Bukkake:  simple get both and decide for yourseelf06:51
PizbitVjaz: I just need to point out vi[m] /emacs :D06:51
e_machinistMeh... KDE is simple as well.06:51
calcgnome is more leaning towards macos classic06:51
Pizbite_machinist: It is?:) Ever tried going through all of kcontrol making sure everything was tweaked?:) It takes a *really* long time.06:51
Dr_Willisits fun to try them all out. :P06:52
e_machinistEither way you are in for a full featured desktop.06:52
randabisI don't really find KDE's UI similar to Windows06:52
VjazPizbit: those editors differ more from each other conceptually than GNOME and KDE06:52
Dr_Willisrandabis,  me either.. its much better.06:52
calcrandabis: think winxp luna gone horribly awry ;)06:52
PizbitVjaz: That's irrelevent06:52
VjazPizbit: First of all, Emacs is an operating system. :-P06:52
randabisluna = fisher price OS06:52
e_machinistPizbit, I have spent quite some time doing things in KDE as well as gnome.06:52
Dreamer3_ok, are there other tiny distros, or DSL is about the best? (sorry if anyone replied before i missed it)  maybe something based off xfce?06:52
e_machinistI don't prefer one over the other.06:52
dex1I had a horrendous experience with trying to install Ubuntu on an older machine the last few days; despite some assistance from crimsun via here it came to nothing and just wouldn't work on that PC. So.... I instead I tried something on this new Win XP PC. Dual-boot was out due to risk of losing stuff so installed VMWare 4.5. I then installed fedora core 3 over it (only other distro from cover CD I had) and it didn't get past post-install reboot really. Que06:52
VjazLuna is quite ugly. Silver is ok though.06:52
Dr_WillisI sort of like WindowMaker.06:52
calckde keramik + crystal icons == fisher price   as well06:52
regeyareally, it takes a long time to change settings in kcontrol?06:52
e_machinistKDE could use some polish though.06:52
regeyaI forgot to get the memo. ;-)06:53
VjazPizbit: I don't think it's irrelevant.06:53
Bukkakegnome seems to be a bit more of a eye candy than KDE (but after viewing randabis' ss, KDE looks kinda more pleasent that I had previously thought) simply that I had heard some more helpful compiling and programming tools come with KDE06:53
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regeyaDr_Willis: with modern drag-and-drop support I'd be using windowmaker right now06:53
Dreamer3_Pizbit: you using gnome 2.10? is it better than 2.8?06:53
Dr_Willisregeya,  to be honest.. i rarely if EVER use any drag/drop stuff06:54
e_machinistPizbit, I agree. KDE is definitely the Kluttered Desktop Environment. :)06:54
randabisKDE actually has more eye candy effects I believe06:54
regeyaI didn't until I got a job using Macs. ;-)06:54
Dr_Willisregeya,  actually with fluxbox/blackbox - i think they can sort of do that. :P06:54
PizbitVjaz: It's entirely irrevelent, I was pointing out that bewteen two warring fractions there wont be a totally dominant outcome for either06:54
dex1What the heck, I'll try it.06:54
randabisI don't find KDE cluttered...I don't see where all this clutter is people speak of...at least not with 3.406:54
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PizbitDreamer3_: *shrug* Not that many differences on the surface really06:54
tritiumdex1, try what?06:54
Dreamer3_Pizbit: is it fasteR?06:54
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Dreamer3_Pizbit: ah, great06:55
e_machinistLuckily either one is a valid choice for the mainstream Linux User. Either way you go you will be in for a nice experience.06:55
Dreamer3_Pizbit: i think i'll be upgraded before may :)06:55
dex1tritium: Ubuntu under VMWare (on a Win XP machine)06:55
PizbitDreamer3_: Hehe:)06:55
regeyarandabis: compared to a default GNOME desktop, it's cluttered, I guess. *shrug*  on my last bout with GNOME, I spent as much time setting up GNOME as I wanted it as I spent this time setting up KDE as I wanted it. ;-)06:55
tritiumdex1, go for it :)06:55
geneo93yeah i have nothing on my desktop but two chat windows06:55
MatthewJohnfor moives, the icon it makes, is there a way to make it a different frame? (without taking a screenshot and making a new icon)06:55
calcrandabis: kubuntu's 3.4 is not what normal 3.4 looks like, and prior to 3.4 it looked worse since it used keramik as well06:56
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Roeycalc:  do you see keyboard layouts in Kubuntu packages at all?06:56
Dreamer3_hmmm, what themse does 3.4 use?06:56
PizbitMatthewJohn: Delete the thumbnail in ~/.thumbnails/normal and hope it'll re-create on a different frame?06:56
calcRoey: haven't install kubuntu yet06:56
chavokeramik is the ugliest theme everr.06:56
randabiscalc, yeah I know...kubuntu does kde right06:56
regeyasomeone should hax0r a way of making KDE a bit more GNOME HIG compliant, IMHO, because I'll agree with some of their decisions06:56
MatthewJohnPizbit: ok, i didnt know it just used random frames06:56
Roeycalc:  I don't see any listed in the keyboard layout configuration panel06:56
regeyachavo: default KDE theme is plastik.06:56
chavoKDE 3.4 uses platik by default.06:56
randabisI'll give you that...default kde is a bit cluttered06:56
Dreamer3_i read the Gnome HIG once, I was impressed06:56
VjazPizbit: They aren't in "war" in my opinion if that's what you meant (sorry, never heard of "warring"). And now that there's a whole lot of collaboration through freedesktop.org, I think at one point we may reach a point where all KDE programs fit in GNOME nicely and vice versa. At that point, the choice of KDE or GNOME becomes largely irrelevant.06:56
randabiskubuntu's kde rocks though06:56
PizbitMatthewJohn: Probably something to fo with key frames *shrug* ask totem-video-thumbnailer06:57
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regeyathings like menu items being a bit close together in most themes, that sort of thing.06:57
geneo93http://rox.sf.net  try this its even better06:57
e_machinistLuckily the choice is already somewhat irrelevant. Tons of apps work irregardless of the desktop preference.06:57
randabisI don't like rox filer06:57
PizbitVjaz: You have two factions, they will never become one, they might share some things, but there will never be one.06:58
Dreamer3_kde apps were always SUPER slow to load in gnome in the past06:58
regeyarox concept is awesome, the filemanager sucks.06:58
bjehi folks. I'm trying to get a persistent home directory working with Warty.  Is there a catch?  What does home=scan look for, exactly?06:58
Pizbitbje: Care to run that by us again with different words and perhaps some more information?06:58
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: fixed & uploaded.  New packages should be available in 65 minutes.  Thanks for reporting.06:59
bjeI have a loopback ext3 fs on a VFAT USB thumb drive (called `ubuntu.img') that I am trying to use as a persistent home directory.  When I boot with the appropriate GRUB menu option, Ubuntu does not mount it.06:59
regeyabje: are you using a livecd?07:00
VjazPizbit: Ok, maybe they won't merge, but the way I see it, the biggest distros will only support one in the end.07:00
bjeregeya: Sorry, yes.07:00
geneo93crimsun:  did you know about x-window-server slowing things down07:00
regeyawow, dunno.07:00
bjeI'm trying to work out what home=scan means, exactly.07:00
e_machinistoh hey, quick q. Ubuntu always says that there is a problem with my "Locales"... anyone know exactly how to fix this?07:01
geneo93crimsun:  sorry x-window-system-core07:01
crimsungeneo93: x-window-system-core is a metapackage, it doesn't actually contain any binaries07:01
bjepizbit: Is that description better?07:01
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Pizbitbje: Well, it's still all over the place:P07:02
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geneo93but if you install it it slows things way down07:02
bjepizbit: I simply want a persistent home directory that survives reboots when using the live CD.07:02
BukkakeVjaz: There's more than one big distro07:03
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tritiumgeneo93, slows what down?07:03
bjepizbit: I followed some directions in a wiki to make a loopback ext3 fs on my USB thumb drive.  Now I'm trying to convince the live CD to mount it at boot time.07:03
crimsungeneo93: that doesn't make any sense, since it doesn't actually execute anything...07:03
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VjazBukkake: Yes?07:03
bjeand, sure enough, there is _0_ documentation about it07:03
airmikeyanyone here switch over from fedora07:03
Bukkake<Vjaz> Pizbit: Ok, maybe they won't merge, but the way I see it, the biggest distros will only support one in the end.  <-- I was just replying to that, but I'm a nub, so I'll sit down for now07:04
geneo93gnome and kde both07:04
dex1Question: Warty uses a 2.6.x kernel right? I need to know for installing07:04
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tritiumdex1, yes, 2.6.807:04
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VjazBukkake: Yes, I said "biggest distros".07:04
PizbitBukkake: The trailing 's' means it's plural.07:05
Bukkake"biggest distro_s_"07:05
airmikeycan i dual boot ubuntu with a different linux07:05
geneo93mandrake 10.2 is looking pretty good07:05
sabmocWho is merging?07:06
crimsunairmikey: yep.07:06
VjazYes. What I mean was that the big mainstream distros probably will only support one desktop environment in the end.07:06
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sabmocVjaz, I think thats pretty unlikely07:06
VjazWhy do you think so?07:06
Dr_Willisthe idea of "support" is often a vague term anyway :P07:06
BukkakeI don't know . . . I see almost equivalent amount of people liking both . . .07:06
sabmocVjaz, momentum07:06
e_machinistVjaz, maybe not... but it would be nice if one day one desktop became a clear leader.07:06
geneo93Vjaz:  choice is linux07:06
Vjaze_machinist: Yes, that's what I mean.07:07
Dr_WillisSupport Yourself - :P07:07
Vjaze_machinist: Exactly my point.07:07
roo9hi, when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" i get a "FATAL Error: Operation Not Permitted"07:07
geneo93roo9:  sudo07:07
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BukkakeI think I'll end the night for now and get some sleep . . . good night all07:07
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roo9geneo93: i am roo07:08
roo9geneo93: i am root07:08
sabmocVjaz, both userlinux and ubuntu tired to make GNOME only desktops, both chose to support kde eventually because of users requests. Look at Suse, its a kde desktop, but they also support GNOME because of user requests. Momentum. But choice is a good thing.07:08
sabmocGNOME would not be as good if there was no KDE to compete with, and vice versa.07:08
sabmoccompetition is good07:08
roo9this is true, compettion fuels advancement07:08
difektai was just in kubuntu talking about how i think kde sucks.07:08
Pizbitsabmoc: Well, there's windows to compete with too.07:08
Vjazsabmoc: Yes, but GNU/Linux is not big enough yet.07:08
difektaand i was about to ask, is gnome dying?07:08
e_machinisthey I'm having a problem with locales. here is the error. Sound familiar to anyone?07:08
e_machinist"Cannot open locale definition file".07:08
difektagnome seems so much more elegant and user-friendly.07:08
Vjazsabmoc: When I say something "will" happen, I am referring to the future of course. :-P07:09
sabmocPizbit, but windows doesnt run on linux, oh wait...07:09
radioI'm completely new to unix and am trying to compile something. I've just installed ubuntu and I was thinking it would have a built in compiler. What do I have to do to get the gcc command line?07:09
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Dr_Willisdifekta,  in some ways.. in some ways its not. :P07:09
e_machinistcannot set "LC_CTYPE"07:09
e_machinistcannot set LC_LANGUAGES07:09
e_machinistcannot set LC_ALL07:09
difektaare you trying to create a utf8 locale?07:09
difektaer..set a utf-8 locale.07:09
sabmocVjaz, but open souce only improves, its not like windows that must tear everything down every 4 years and build again just so they can sell more product.07:09
difektayou might need to create it from the default locale.07:09
Pizbitradio: sudo apt-get install build-essential07:10
difektai wonder whether longhorn might actually be the first decent os from m$07:10
e_machinistdifekta, I'm upgrading stuff through synaptic, and when it goes to install the changes it reports this.07:10
difektaprobably not.  they're just going to keep building upon legacy stuff right?  it's not a re-write.07:10
sabmocVjaz, gnome and kde have both been around for years and years and years, and will continue to be around for years and years and years.. this is a godo thing.07:10
Dr_WillisI wonder what Fiasco we will have when MS releases their 64bit version....07:10
geneo93difekta:  dont hold your breath07:10
e_machinistAlso, when I boot up Ubuntu, it says this during the boot up process.07:10
sabmocgood* thing07:10
difektai am thinking about ditching m$ for good.  even when i buy a new computer and start doing recording in a couple of months for my band, i think the stuff available for linux is mature enough now.07:11
sabmocDr_Willis, I thought they already did release a few 64bit versions07:11
airmikeyseems like people dont mind helping u here07:11
airmikeythats cool07:11
dex1sabmoc: Arguable, the Ubuntu FAQ page I was jut looking at comments on dumping XFree86 in favour of X.org say.07:11
randabisdifekta, if you're buying a computer for recording, I think you'd be better off with a mac07:12
geneo9364 bit patches is all07:12
Vjazsabmoc: Big changes aren't unheard of in the free software world.07:12
jroesjust curious07:12
chavodifekta, what kib of band are you in?07:12
difektabut macs are expensive, and i don't want to have to use a kvm.07:12
e_machinistIt says, "Please check that your locale settings are supported and installed on your system".07:12
randabismacintosh's garage band application is excellent07:12
difektachavo just check that out.07:12
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difektait's so simplified.07:12
jroesanyone else get "k8-powernow: failing targ; change pending bit set" errors a bunch?07:12
chavodifekta, http://2sdw.com07:12
e_machinistANyone know of an app or utility to run that I can fix these locale problems?07:12
chavothat's my band07:12
difektai need something professional like pro tools.07:12
Dr_Willissabmoc,  i got the beta - :P and from what i hear.... its hard getting drivers for stuff.07:12
sabmocdex1, that would have never happened if some people at xfree didnt start playing "musical license" ..but what happened is all their good devs moved to x.org so all the distros switched as well.07:12
Vjazsabmoc: If the projects only cared about themselves, freedesktop.org wouldn't exist.07:12
airmikeyanyone here in 64bit mode07:12
Dr_Willissabmoc,  been useing linux so much - aint even tried it.07:13
randabispro tools is available for mac I believe...I think it was originally for mac in fact07:13
jroesairmikey: yup07:13
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randabisyou won't find pro tools on linux at any rate07:13
randabisclosest thing is probably audour07:13
sabmocVjaz, oh yeah, Im not saying projects only care about themselves or that big changes dont happen07:13
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difektachavo that's funny.07:13
difektaardour is supposedly very good.07:13
airmikeyjroes:how is it07:14
difektathere are a few good apps for linux.07:14
Vjazsabmoc: Freedesktop.org craves for interoperability between desktop environments. When they are completely interoperable, the projects have reached a new kind of situation. Improvement in that situation could mean a merger.07:14
sabmocVjaz, gnome1.4 to gnome2 was a big change07:14
jroesairmikey: I'm not sure, it seemed okay until I kept getting some k8-powernow error07:14
Dr_Willisyea - gnome2 was a HUGE change.. and got a lot of people very mad.07:14
randabisardour is a full audio workstation07:14
dex1sabmoc: the xfree software set is itself problematic though. basing that on the fact it didn't support the s3 gfx card in the old pc I tried to use warty on of course :)07:14
jroesgoogle has like 4 results, and all 4 are from mailing list postings of the source07:14
airmikeyoh no07:14
randabisaudacity is great, I agree07:14
sabmocVjaz, interoperation does not mean they are converging07:15
sabmocif anything they are diverging07:15
airmikeywhat motherboard u running with the chip07:15
dex1jroes: try feedster.com to searhc through blogs too? and search function on ubuntuforums.org? I'm new to it myself so can't help directly sorry07:15
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Vjazsabmoc: And I'm not saying this will happen in the next year, or the next ten years. It could take a long long time, but given that the projects don't really have to care about their own ass all that much, I just can't see a situation where two projects that are conceptually so similiar coexist in the free software world.07:15
jroesairmikey: MSI k8mm-ilsr07:15
jroesdex1: thanks dex, good idea, I'll check it out07:16
sabmocVjaz, do you have any idea how many text editors Linux has?07:16
Vjazsabmoc: I mean really, can you name a big conceptual difference between Gnome and KDE?07:16
sabmocVjaz, sure, the HIG07:16
sabmocVjaz, GNOME philosophy is that any given program should have very few options and just rely on good defaults for the rest. KDE just simply doent understand that.07:17
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barbariHi, how i can find beep-media-player for ubuntu  ?07:18
PacoBCNit's in the repos07:18
randabisapt-cache search beep-media-player07:18
Pizbitbarbari: It's in universe07:18
sabmocVjaz, GNOME is a lot more like a MAC because of that, and KDE is more like windows.. KDE has lots of options for everything, GNOME just uses resonable defaults.07:18
Vjazsabmoc: I notice that you say "KDE doesn't understand that", meaning basically that the conceptual difference here is that Gnome has a concept and KDE doesn't?07:18
Pizbithttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to enable universe07:18
DazeD||laptopwhats the apt-get command to install already downloaded packages?07:18
barbariroot@ubuntu:/home/barbari # apt-cache search beep-media-player07:19
barbariroot@ubuntu:/home/barbari #07:19
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tritiumbarbari, that's because you don't have universe included07:19
sabmocVjaz, no, the difference is that KDE prefers its style, and GNOME prefers its style. They have different styles.07:19
tritiumDazeD||laptop, apt-get install --reinstall07:19
DazeD||laptopthank you much tritium brb07:19
Vjazsabmoc: In KDE, surely the "sensible defaults" are included, right?07:20
dex1make sure you're online.07:20
Roeysabmoc:  I'd prefer things that Work Like Clockwork to smelly feet any day07:20
sabmocRoey, lol07:20
Vjazsabmoc: Why couldn't this be an option? "Show advanced options" or something?07:20
barbaritritium: what the universal mirror ?07:20
sabmocVjaz, I dont know, ask them :)07:20
Pizbittritium: It is possible they meant packages they had downloaded via means other than apt07:20
Vjazsabmoc: Why does it need another desktop environment?07:20
Vjazsabmoc: Yeah, well my point is that at some point they will realise this.07:20
Pizbitbarbari: Please read what people say: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats tells you how to enable universe07:20
tritiumPizbit, he wasn't clear on that07:20
Roeysabmoc:  at least, the kde gears give me the impression that it works like clockwork07:20
Pizbittritium: So ask:)07:21
tritiumPizbit, most likely, he meant already installed07:21
PizbitRoey: You realise that's really weak right?:D07:21
sabmocRoey, I think you have the wrong impression.07:21
Vjazsabmoc: I really don't think the KDE style is that different from the Gnome style as to make two different desktop environments worth it.07:21
RoeyPizbit:  how so?07:21
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RoeyPizbit, sabmoc:  the gears remind me of clocks07:22
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sabmocRoey, the gears are ment to symbolize your brain being mushed into paste by the horrible defaults. Just ask any KDE dev. :D07:22
PizbitRoey: It's like the saying "You can't just a book by it's cover."07:22
RoeyPizbit:  what makes that weak? I didn't know if it's strong or weak or anything...07:22
geneo93what gears07:22
tritiumjoin #offtopic07:22
Roeysabmoc:  ahhahaha :)07:22
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Pizbitsabmoc: Probably true, hold on I'll ask07:22
RoeyPizbit:  oh, the comment about preferring clockwork to stinky feet?07:22
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VjazI think the Kubuntu logo is creepy. They replaced the three people in the logo with gears. :-P07:23
billytwowillydamn. The gnome guys should hire the xfce guys to write their code.07:23
RoeyPizbit:  say what you will, but I personally (and this is a value judgement) view this 'evolution'/DNA/gnome foot/bonobo/monkey nomenclature in a condescending light07:23
VjazIt's like they're some robot drones or something. Uh... holding hands...07:24
billytwowillyVjaz: http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/kubuntulove.png07:24
RoeyPizbit:  as if they're telling me I was stupid to have been using windows07:24
RoeyPizbit:  and that I 'evolve' by using gnome.07:24
Vjazhaha, ok07:24
sabmocRoey, but what is wrong with "monkey foot dna"?07:24
billytwowillyVjaz: my art skills are teh bomb;)07:24
Roeysabmoc:  it's the whole nomenclature07:24
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Roeysabmoc: like what I said above;07:25
barbarihow i can start command to start "Scroll Lock" For one sec ?07:25
Roeysabmoc:  I'm not into being pelted with references suggesting or inviting us to evolve (by virtue of using this software)07:26
sabmocRoey, Kou Kreffer Khat Kverything Ks Kamed Ktarting Kith Ka K"K"K?07:26
PizbitRoey: Or it could mean that the program evolves to become better and better07:26
Roeysabmoc:  the K thing is just goofy (koofy) as far as I can tell, but no more than that.07:26
sysrqor, it's just a damn name07:26
PizbitThe problem with thinking up what stuff 'symbolises' is that 99% of the time, you get it wrong07:26
Roeysysrq:  names make an impression.07:27
PizbitThe other 1% is as sysrq said, it's just a name.07:27
sabmocRoey, same with gnomes.. we are not evolving into gnomes07:27
billytwowillyyah, I don't think we should argue about evolution because I have this huge stick I use to beat common sense into people who don't think evolution happens.07:27
RoeyI didn't say that07:27
sysrqsure and you can drag onto these extreme and lame lengths if you want, but it's nothing but a waste of everyones time07:27
sabmocor monkeys.. that would be de-evolving07:27
PizbitOn KDE gears "it symbolises the eternal struggle of the cave people trying to make their lives easier by inventing the gear."07:27
Roeysabmoc:  I didn't say de-evolving07:27
RoeyPizbit:  oh please07:27
sysrqwindows must imply it opens windows to new worlds!07:27
RoeyPizbit:   I think my argument was reasonable.07:27
PizbitRoey: I asked one of the chaps from #amarok07:28
Roeysysrq:  you know what? that works07:28
barbarii want run command to start "Scroll bar" Led for one sec...07:28
billytwowillygears are a decent logo. It's very german.07:28
Roeysysrq:  think of how many times you hear a program called "win"-something07:28
billytwowillylike KDE07:28
Roeysysrq:  you're winning07:28
sysrqRoey: ya and it's just as stupid and meaningless as yours07:28
Roeysysrq:  you're WINning07:28
Roeysysrq:  not meaningless07:28
Roeysysrq:  it's marketing07:28
sysrqbut alas time to stop feeding the trolls07:28
Roeysysrq:  and it gets into peoples' heads.07:28
Roeysysrq:  very easy for you to write it off like that, go ahead.07:29
sabmocRoey, Ok, I agree names are important, but you should not judge something by its name or its branding only. Look at some names: Firefox, SUN, Windows, Longhorn, GNOME, KDE, Pixar. They are just names.07:29
Pizbitsabmoc: names/brands07:29
sabmocyeah, they are names/brands07:29
Roeysabmoc:  look at firefox's logo.  It looks cool.  A cute furry fox with fire for a tail.  It's cute.  People like it.07:30
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Roeysabmoc:  nevermind the fact that a "firefox" is actually another name for a red panda07:30
PizbitRoey: And it's humping South America (Or was it South Africa?).07:30
RoeyPizbit:  LOL07:30
sabmocRoey, The ultimate test should be use. If IE came out with a great logo it would still be a horrible browser.07:30
caffinatedRoey: it's lucky that people know the name at all.  it only changed 500 times.07:30
Roeycaffinated:  :)07:30
RoeyPixar is like the word Pixel07:30
RoeyLonghorn...now I don't knwo wtf ms is thinking07:31
sysrqthis is entirely off-topic07:31
Pizbitcaffinated: On firefox name changes (amusing) http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=9507:31
PizbitRoey: Someone was trying to make up for something obviously.07:31
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calamariroey: iirc microsoft names its projects after rivers07:32
Roeycalamari:  whistler is a river?07:32
tritiumWhistler is a mountain07:32
Roeyoh, ok.07:32
calamariahh mountains then?07:32
Roey(amd after horses)07:32
Dr_WillisWHistler is a mother. :P07:32
calamarilike I said.. iirc :)07:32
Roeywhistler's mother07:33
calamarianyhow... it won't be longhorn.. it'll be some lame thing like windows ultimate 64 or some crap :)07:33
stuNNedwhat .deb contains alsa-driver?07:33
Roeyand whistler's mother is a painting.07:33
Roeycalamari:  Windows FX I think07:33
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tritiumA popular place to ski for people in the Seattle area07:33
calamariroey: hahaha07:33
crimsunstuNNed: none. alsa-driver is the name of the source package.07:33
VjazRoey: Firefox was never called Mozilla, really.07:33
crimsunstuNNed: what specifically are you looking for?07:34
RoeyVjaz:  oh? ok then07:34
Roeycrimsun:  HI07:34
^thehatsrule^blackcomb was a project name too i believe07:34
stuNNedcrimsun: driver module07:34
crimsunstuNNed: try using the alsa-source and alsa-base debs from experimental07:34
VjazRoey: Mozilla is the larger project name, containing Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird, and in the past, the Mozilla Suite, which is being discontinued I htink.07:34
crimsunstuNNed: I'm using them just fine (1.0.8+1.0.9rc2-1)07:34
stuNNedcrimsun: how can i get experimental?07:35
VjazRoey: Phoenix was written from scratch using the Gecko rendering engine from the Mozilla Suite.07:35
RoeyVjaz:  that I didn't know07:35
RoeyVjaz:  so is there still a Mozilla browser?07:36
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crimsunRoey: absolutely07:37
crimsunRoey: in fact, 1.7.6 was just merged from sid last week07:37
VjazRoey: Yes. But the Mozilla project is leaving it, and it will be officially called the Seamonkey Suite (Seamonkey being the internal project name for the Mozilla Suite in the past)07:37
VjazOr has this changed?07:37
stuNNedcrimsun: ?07:37
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geppyHow do I enable mod_rewrite for apache2 on Ubuntu?07:38
geppyDo I need to recompile it, or is there a package for that?07:38
crimsunstuNNed: it's fairly complicated (you can't use the debs directly)07:38
caffinatedgeppy: check the modules directory.  it may already be included.07:38
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caffinatedif it's there, add support via httpd.conf07:39
geppycaffinated: Thanks! I'll check. =)07:39
stuNNedcrimsun: can i make .debs from alsa-driver package?07:39
crimsunstuNNed: yes, if you tweak.07:40
crimsunstuNNed: however, the dependencies are fairly twisted.  I don't recommend it.07:40
stuNNedcrimsun: ok thanks07:40
stuNNedcrimsun: which contains the .ko file?07:40
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stuNNedcrimsun: in regular hoary07:40
crimsunstuNNed: the alsa-driver deb that you build from alsa-source07:40
crimsunstuNNed: linux-image contains those07:41
funkywhere are setted some environment variables in some scripts ? example $SSHD_OPTIONS in /etc/init.d/ssh07:41
stuNNedcrimsun: k thnx07:41
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geppycaffinated: Gallery2 says " Apache mod_rewrite is not installed or not enabled."07:41
funkymm, /etc/defaults/ssh07:42
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codymanwhat ubuntu amd64 repositorie has mplayer?07:42
membreyacodyman: here you go http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/07:43
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geppyCan anyone point me to an explanation of the purpose of the different binary directories (/bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin)?07:44
caffinatedgeppy: you have to add support cia the confuration files.  the usual place for the modules is /usr/lib/apache2/modults07:44
caffinatederr modules07:44
geppycaffinated: Thanks!07:45
caffinatedman, i need new fingers07:45
geppyhaha :-)07:45
caffinatedanyhow, check the config files in /etc/apache207:45
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caffinatedyou need to add the right loadmodule line, then restart apache07:45
tritiumgeppy, you can install and read debian-policy for more info on the filesystem heirarchy07:46
geppytritium: Thanks.07:46
tritiumgeppy, also: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/07:46
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geppytritium: Thanks. =)07:48
tritiumno problem :)07:48
llamabutcherhey guys i am trying to install ndiswrapper to get my belkin wireless card woring07:48
codymanmembreya: after deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/ (what goes here).. apt keeps failing..07:48
llamabutcherhowever this guide i found says to install ndiswrapper through synaptic package manger07:49
llamabutcherbut its not in there....07:49
geneo93tritium:  where is that artical for setting up java after installingit j2re1.507:49
membreyacodyman: deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main07:49
membreyaput that line in your sources.list07:49
tritiumgeneo93, I'm not sure which article you're referring to.  Did you mean the one on the wiki about java-package?07:49
geneo93tritium:  the one that tell how to link and do the paths07:50
llamabutchercan anyone help me with this real quick?07:50
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tritiumgeneo93, I don't recommend installing java that way.  I recommend using java-package instead.07:50
Pizbitllamabutcher: I bevelieve it's in universe, use think link to find out how to enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:51
geneo93tritium:  its already installed07:51
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unifihey can anyone tell me where the kernel is located in ubuntu07:51
tritiumgeneo93, unfortunately, not under package management, though07:51
caffinated /boot07:51
unifithats what I thought... thanks07:52
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geneo93well yes it was a deb tritium07:52
llamabutcherpizbit, u mean ndiswrapper?07:52
llamabutcherbut the guide i have says i can install it through gui using synpatic package manager....07:52
caffinatedunifi: unless of course you want the kernel source, in which case it'd be /usr/src07:52
Pizbitllamabutcher: That is what you were talking about right?07:52
tritiumgeneo93, good, then you should not need to setup any symlinks07:52
Pizbitllamabutcher: Right, and you need to enable universe first most likely, read the link I gave you for how07:52
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geneo93tritium:  it was a rpm converted to deb07:53
geppycaffinated:  I've found mod_rewrite.load in mods-available;  do I just need to move that to mods-enabled, or is that A Bad Idea(TM)?07:53
tritiumgeneo93, eww07:53
geppycaffinated: It does a wildcard include of everything in mods-enabled07:53
rtud2I would love to get some hel oh getting the correct jre to work with scottrades live stock tracker.07:53
llamabutcherpizbit yes i am talking about that07:53
Pizbitllamabutcher: Look up sarcasm when you next see a dictionary:)07:53
llamabutcheri just wanted to follow this guide as much as possible. I am a linux noob, and getting this wireless to work is a pain in the ass07:54
rtud2what the java that is required?07:54
llamabutcheryou mean i need to update my sources.list?07:54
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Pizbitllamabutcher: And I told you to go enable universe and I told you http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats would tell you how, then you can go back to following that guide07:54
geneo93tritium:  you think apt will remove it all07:54
caffinatedgeppy: use a symlink instead07:54
tritiumgeneo93, if it was a .deb, it should07:54
cicadais there a newbie channel for ubuntu or is this it07:55
PizbitThis is it.07:55
tritiumcicada, this is it07:55
geneo93ok thanks so that place has sun java07:55
spredageneo93: the problem was a lost profile. don't know why it moved back to uknown..07:55
geppycaffinated: cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled && sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load rewrite.load07:55
geppycaffinated: Something like that?07:55
geneo93ok spreda07:55
llamabutcherpizbit, i was only asking what my sources list has to do w/ synaptic package manager07:55
caffinatedgeppy: looks good to me07:56
cicadamplayer is not supported... correct?07:56
geppycaffinated: Much thanks! =)07:56
Pizbitllamabutcher: Synaptic uses your sources.list to find out what packages are availible.07:56
caffinatedgeppy: just remember to restart the server so it can reload the modules07:56
geppycaffinated: Righto. =)07:56
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tritiumgeneo93, you'll be much happier installing java-package, downloading sun's j2re .bin, and then building your own j2re .deb with make-jpkg07:56
cicadadoes that mean i shouldn't ask about mplayer stuff here?07:56
llamabutcheroh i see07:57
geppySpeaking of which, is there any particular reason that RedHat's "Services" GUI hasn07:57
geppybeen adopted by GNOME?07:57
Pizbitcicada: mplayer, codecs, playing mp3s etc, read this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:57
geppyOr at least ported to Ubuntu?07:57
caffinatedgeppy: i imagine they have bigger fish to fry as the hoary release is close07:57
geppycaffinated: Right.07:57
tritiumgeppy, what makes you think it will be ported or included?07:58
geppycaffinated: But, why hasn't some luser like myself done it?  It couldn't really be that difficult.07:58
geneo93tritium:  i have the bin rpm i'm on dialup here so i try to conserve bandwidth07:58
caffinatedgeppy: well, why don't you do it? :)07:58
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geppytritium:  I'm not thinking that it will be, I'm just noting that it's handy, and wondering why it hasn't been.07:58
tritiumgeneo93, java-package doesn't work with the .rpm07:58
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geppycaffinated: touch =)07:58
cicadaif I download a .deb is there a way to add it to synaptic... ??07:58
tritiumcicada, you can install it with dpkg -i <package>07:59
geneo93but i have the deb also wonder if that would work07:59
Pizbitcicada: 'yes' but it's rather long and pointless, just dpkg -i packagefilename.deb07:59
geppySupposing that I did, would it be likely that it'd be included in Breezy?07:59
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caffinatedgeppy: if the powers that be like it, it's possible07:59
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geppyOooh, now _that_ would be nice. =)08:00
caffinatedgeppy: at worst it would be an installable package via the repositories08:00
Dreamer3_what's after hoary?08:00
geppycaffinated: =D08:00
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caffinatedDreamer3_: slutty!08:00
sabmocanyone use mod_python?08:00
geppyDreamer3: Breezy08:00
Dreamer3_Breezy, eh?08:00
geneo93tritium:  this is what it says java version "1.4.2"08:00
Vjazcaffinated: Well unless it's really crappy, in which case no one would bother including it.08:00
Dreamer3_what do we have to look forward to in breezy?08:01
geneo93gcj-4.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 20050301 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0-0pre6ubuntu6)08:01
geneo93Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.08:01
geneo93This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO08:01
geneo93warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.08:01
llamabutcherpizbit, i am looking for the multiuniverse repository?08:01
codymanmembreya: any other repositories for amd64 i might want to add?  i noticed a site debian.video.free.fr lists some amd64 but i might interfere with ubuntu08:01
caffinatedVjaz: i think that all goes along with "if they like it"08:01
geppyhaha, Vjaz. =)08:01
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llamabutcheri found a site on my homepage arstechnica, that has tons of repositories to get almost anything...08:01
membreyacodyman: that's the only one I've added08:01
sabmocDreamer3_, yep08:01
geppyDreamer3_: It has been seamless for me, and I've done it multiple times.08:01
crimsunDreamer3_: yes08:01
tritiumDreamer3_, it already is quite painless08:01
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codymanmembreya: ok08:01
cicadaif i log onto my box using ssh...  can someone give me a pointer on sending the output of a video playback app to a local screen  (aka on the box the app is running on)08:01
crimsunnow warty+$backports is a different story altogether08:01
geneo93tritium:  does that look right08:02
sabmocDreamer3, it will rend your soul... beware.. BEWARE!!!08:02
Pizbitcicada: ssh x forwarding08:02
zelas_metalliumI'm trying to play a dvd, but I can't find libdvdcss2 in the package manager.08:02
Dreamer3crimsun: ok, what's wrong with backports?08:02
Dreamer3crimsun: i have gaim+gtk2.6+firefox only :)08:02
tritiumgeneo93, hard to say08:02
Dreamer3crimsun: well, maybe a few other small packages that looked nice, but not much08:02
Pizbitcicada: Wouldn't it be easier just to setup a samba share?08:02
crimsunDreamer3: some are quite poorly versioned and will cause dist-upgrade ditches08:02
tritiumzelas_metallium, RestrictedFormats08:02
geppyzelas_metallium: Go read the RestrictedFormats stuff that's been linked multiple times recently.08:02
Dreamer3crimsun: suppose it's talked about on the forum somewheres?08:02
crimsunzelas_metallium: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats08:03
cicadapizbit: no i don't want to send the output to the remote machine... i want controll form the remote machine but output on the local machine08:03
Dreamer3crimsun: uninstallation instructions?08:03
cicadafrom even08:03
zelas_metalliumsorry, I missed that link last time.08:03
crimsunDreamer3: your best bet is to uninstall all backports prior to dist-upgrading on 6 abril, 200508:03
llamabutcherPizbit, am i looking for the multiuniverse repository?08:04
Dreamer3wow, it's REALLY pouring here now08:04
geppyWhere would I look to find out information about turning my computer into a subdomain server of my website?  I currently simply have a redirect for the local subdomain to my IP, but when you go the redirect route, it changes the URL to myIP/whatever.  How can I have it be seamless, to the user?08:04
Pizbitllamabutcher: I told you universe, and I told you the link that would tell you how to enable it08:04
tritiumcicada, you can try ssh -X08:04
tritiumcicada, but I'd expect it to be too slow08:04
llamabutcherwell i already know about updating my sources list08:04
llamabutcherthats not a problem08:04
Dreamer3crimsun: are the new ubp versions safe, or you don't know?08:05
llamabutcherthat site has a lot of usefull information. I was looking to start installing things like flash and stuff next, it has nice guides. Thanks pizbit08:05
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crimsunDreamer3: ubp?08:05
zelas_metalliumThe RestrictedFormats page says to install that package, but it's not in the package manager, is there a different place to get it?08:05
cicadatritium: i don't want to send the video over ssh i want to control a box (over ssh) playing back video on its local screens08:05
geppyHow can I have my computer act as a subdomain that I control?08:06
Dreamer3crimsun: they changed how backports were versioned to try and solve these problems at one time i believe08:06
tritiumzelas_metallium, you need to include the Marillat repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list08:06
thoreauputiczelas_metallium: you didn't read the stuff about adding sources, did you?08:06
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=== Dreamer3 supposes if he was careful he could upgrade bits and pieces of hoary? :)
factotumto print to a printer on a win box, is samba involved?08:06
zelas_metalliumtritium, thank you08:06
tritiumzelas_metallium, sure08:07
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tritiumcicada, you should be able to08:07
Dreamer3i'm ready for the latest and greatest08:07
crimsunDreamer3: I don't follow ubp, so unfortunately I can't comment.  I do know that as a universe maintainer, it is extremely difficult to track all the different external repos and have their packages interoperate smoothly with ubuntu's.08:07
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corzahey guys.. i want to share folders with my Windows computer .. i've set up samba with my folder "My Music" how do i get my windows computer to read it08:08
siganyone know a command to build a ubuntu package from a tar.gz ?08:08
factotumi just went up to hoary this afternoon, no problems so far, in fact some apps i had issues with now work without a hitch08:08
tritiumcorza, http://ubuntuguide.org/08:08
cicadai suppose what i don't really get is how displays work under linux in general... anybody point me at some background reading?08:08
thoreauputicsig, install checkinstall08:08
tritiumsig, you can read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide08:08
crimsuncheckinstall does absolutely awful things to package names08:09
thoreauputiccrimsun: that's true :)08:09
stuNNedcrimsun: i know it's probably not a good idea but going to stick with alsa-driver stable for now self compiled p16v support in 1.0.9rc2 seem broken08:09
thoreauputiccrimsun: but for local use it does the job OK08:09
tritiumsig, which package?08:09
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cicadai really want to use  mplayer to output to a secondary display, ... controlled from cron jobs and occaisioonal ssh sessions on a remotely08:10
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geneo93tritium:  those instructions are for warty08:10
factotumwouldnt the source work though? if its missing a dep it usually stops with an error right?08:10
tritiumgeneo93, which?08:10
factotumsaying the missing dep08:11
crimsunthoreauputic: perhaps.  It does pollute the package db, though, which makes me distraught.08:11
tritiumgeneo93, java-package is in Hoary as well.08:11
tritiumand it works the same08:11
|XO|i get this wierd error when installing ubuntu....during the base system installation it say it cant find gcc-3.3.-base08:11
crimsunstuNNed: sure.  How is ca0106 in 1.0.9rc2 broken?08:11
geneo93well 90mb download is what i'm trying to avoid08:11
|XO|i see the package is there any way i can get it to read it?08:11
thoreauputiccrimsun: ah, it's an aesthetic issue for you then? *grin*08:12
tritiumsig, is it really worth the effort to build a .deb of it?  If so: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html08:12
factotummust need gcc-3.3 for some compiling reason08:12
crimsunstuNNed: you have to use a corresponding 1.0.9rc2 libasound2 as well08:12
stuNNedcrimsun: no 24bit support for audigy208:12
sigtritium: of course it is or I wouldn't be building one08:12
stuNNedcrimsun: ah, so i need the libs as well? doh08:12
sigpng2ico is a handy ass tool08:12
tritiumsig, it might be easier to use a --prefix and install it somewhere convenient for the user who needs it08:12
|XO|factotum i realize that...but how come the installer doesnt see the package on my cd?08:13
sigtritium: how?08:13
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crimsunthoreauputic: yes and no, but you can imagine what amarok-1.foo.bar for all different values of foo and bar does to dpkg's db as opposed to just amarok with 1.foo.bar as the version.08:13
factotum|XO|: oh alright, i see what you mean now08:13
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rtud2Hello all08:13
factotumcould just be bad media?08:13
factotumit happens08:13
WebWizgaim 1.2 for ubuntu out yet?08:14
tritiumsig, when building the source08:14
|XO|ill check...08:14
tritiumWebWiz, no08:14
thoreauputicsig  ./configure --prefix= /path/name08:14
|QuaD-WebWiz: apt-cache show gaim08:14
factotumthoreauputic: stop it, im having slackware flashbacks LOL08:14
thoreauputicsig type ./configure --help for options08:14
signo worries08:14
PizbitWebWiz: Nah, only 1.1.408:14
rtud2I want to see java web content in my mozzila firefox08:14
thoreauputicfactotum: haha08:14
factotumah the afternoons i spent with that08:15
rtud2any input for me?08:15
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thoreauputicrtud2: ubuntuguide.org08:15
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rtud2okay thanks08:15
robitaillertud2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats08:15
thoreauputicrtud2: lots of good tips08:15
tritiumgeneo93, okay?08:16
odie5533in XCHAT is there a way to get a list of channels in a window, maybe organized by number of people?08:16
rtud2suggestons on what I will be loking for?08:16
factotumnah, i still keep it around on my p16608:16
kerframilrtud2: the best approach I know of is to use java-package (debian support for converting a stock Sun Java JRE/JDK archive into a .deb)08:16
isaacodie: yes..08:16
isaacMenubar -> Window -> Channel List08:16
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odie5533ah, thankyou isaac08:16
rtud2kerframil thanks08:17
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rtud2thoraeuputic:  thanks for your help08:17
markybobin hoary, i can no longer point nautilus to applications:/// nor applications-all-users:///  ...why is that?08:17
membreyagod..the ubuntu repo's are a fair way behind with their revision of gaim ..they're currently running 1.1.4 when 1.2.0 is out08:17
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markybobmembreya you say that as if it didnt jump from 1.1.4 straight to 1.2.008:18
kerframilrtud2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java (see "Method 2")08:18
membreyamarkybob: it did aye...but 11 days ago?08:18
rtud2kerframil:  okay08:18
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kerframilrtud2: originally I followed the instructions in a forum post which were slightly simpler than the ones conveyed in the wiki08:19
rtud2kerframil:  thanks alot :)08:19
kerframilrtud2: np08:19
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tritiumhave a good night, crimsun.  See you tomorrow.08:20
GhostFaceKillawho has a good source.list for Hoary?08:21
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GhostFaceKillatritiumcan you dcc me your /etc/apt/source.list?08:22
GhostFaceKillatritium, can you dcc me your /etc/apt/source.list?08:22
crimsund'oh, just missed him08:23
membreyaGhostFaceKilla: just go to www.ubuntuguide.org08:23
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: the standard /etc/apt/sources.list should suffice08:24
GhostFaceKillamembreya, does me no good hoary08:24
GhostFaceKillacrimsun, I fried it08:24
membreyasure it does, you just need to change all the warty references to hoary08:24
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: how?08:24
GhostFaceKillacrimsun, adding and removing repos08:25
GhostFaceKillaI had too many marillat repos08:25
GhostFaceKillathe ubuntuguide says nothing about which marilliat to use for hoary08:25
GhostFaceKillaI just copied all three and just changed warty to hoary08:25
GhostFaceKillato my chagrin you can't do that without problems08:26
caffinatedGhostFaceKilla: http://caffinated.homeip.net/sources.list is what i use.  i'd made a few changes though.08:26
GhostFaceKillaI never could get a fix for that until not08:26
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GhostFaceKillano one is will to share a US source.list with me?08:30
GhostFaceKillano one is willing to share a US source.list with me?08:30
robitailleGhostFaceKilla, http://rafb.net/paste/results/LdZnYu80.html    but mine is pretty barebones :)08:31
GhostFaceKillaare where I can how I can restore the default?08:31
caffinatedi don't LIVE in the US, so it stands to reason that i'm not going to use a US source list :P08:31
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GhostFaceKillarobitaille, thx, but why did you even post this?08:32
robitaillecaffinated,  is there a big delay getting updates from a ca sources instead of the uk default one?08:32
caffinatedrobitaille: i can't say, i don't live in the uk.08:32
crimsunGhostFaceKilla: btw, vlc's desktop entry is fixed.08:32
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robitaillecaffinated,  I guess I could try to swtich mine to the ca source; I never bothered until now; I guess it would be nicer for the nwtwork bandwith08:33
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flodinewhats up ubuntu folks08:35
stuNNedcrimsun: still broken it seems08:36
robitailleI just remember a year or so ago, when I was using Fedora1,  it made a bug diffence to get a mirror, or the actual redhat repo; sometimes hour longer to get a security update; I guess I was afraid of the same here08:36
crimsunstuNNed: what is?08:36
crimsunstuNNed: 1.0.9rc2?08:37
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stuNNedcrimsun: p16v support for audigy2, eys08:38
verden01 I have ubuntu 4 installed and want to install kubuntu-desktop via apt-get and when i go to do this i get a message saying "Couldn't find package Kubuntu-desktop"08:38
stuNNedcrimsun: regular pcm works fine08:38
verden01any ideas08:38
crimsunstuNNed: and you've confirmed via cvs revisions that this is the case?08:39
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Pizbitverden01: It's only in hoary I believe08:39
stuNNedcrimsun: nope. just tried rc208:39
robitailleverden01,  I thought "kubuntu-desktop" package was only available in hoary..but I could be wrong08:39
Pizbitverden01: And there's no such thing as ubuntu 4 :)08:39
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dex1The install under VMware running on Win XP seems to be going well so far. It's downloading all the security updates  at the moment. System runs slowly but it may be just the install; good that it picks up the DSL connection for downloading.08:40
robitaillePizbit,  rounding error :)08:40
Pizbitrobitaille: Hehe08:40
WebWizWorked well using Microsoft virtual PC too08:40
stuNNedcrimsun: it's not high priority really, i've submitted a big to gnome's bugzilla regarding gstreamer and custom sink to enable p16v but reckon should wait until at least it makes it into stable before following up on bug?08:40
Ubabeanyone have any idea why my extra repositories settings found in /etc/apt/sources.list arent loading?08:41
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Ubabeim getting this error: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)08:41
verden01ok 4.10  ???08:41
PizbitUbabe: You havn't hti reload in synaptic or done: sudo apt-get update yet?08:41
Ubabeis this misspelt/out of date/what?08:41
UbabePizbit: im not following...08:41
stuNNedcrimsun: p16v support in alsa for audigy2 that is (wait until stable)08:41
PizbitUbabe: Read what I said again then.08:42
verden01ok i hav warty  can i upgrade to the latest via apt-get?08:42
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MaxeyPadwhat is a normal amount of swap for a system with 512MB of ram08:42
Ubabeive updated using sudo apt-get update, some install and others dont08:42
robitailleverden01,  latest what?   Ubuntu?  or kde?08:42
crimsunstuNNed: not sure how gst would really help there, besides being able to specify a virtual device.08:43
Pizbitverden01: Yeah, change all 'warty' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'hoary'(eg: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and use your user's pass): apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade08:43
Pizbitverden01: And then install kbuntu-desktop08:43
Ubabepizbit: Could not download all repository indexes" is my error message08:43
stuNNedcrimsun: as the custom sink is broken in gst and works in xine?08:44
Ubabehere goes a wordy error msg following that one...08:44
UbabeThe repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.08:44
stuNNedi.e. p16v support in rc108:44
PizbitUbabe: Dump your source.list into www.pastebin.com08:44
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Ubabe...how can i check if the spelling of the network servers is wrong, or not available? this is like 5 repositiries that dont wanna let me download.08:45
crimsunstuNNed: afaik, the fact that p16v support even works in RC1 is a complete fluke, because it appears to be utterly broken08:45
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robitailleUbabe,  you can always point your browser to the url in your source to see if the netwrok is reachable08:45
stuNNedcrimsun: and broken it is in rc2 heh, i'll help jcdutton if i can08:46
dex1check you have a net connection initially08:46