[12:00] <Seveas> jaslor_MHz, if he can do that, there is no problem
[12:00] <kakalto> what's an alternative archive manager?
[12:00] <dabugas> hi
[12:00] <DavidSag> i didnt try applying this command :-().. ( as i said i'm a poor linux novice, sorry)
[12:00] <Sionide> hrm
[12:00] <akk> s
[12:00] <Seveas> kakalto, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic
[12:00] <dabugas> Xappe: bullshit.
[12:00] <Sionide> okie, how do i increase the filesystem size for ubuntu?
[12:01] <tritium> ells, try lspci -vv, and look for your video card info
[12:01] <Seveas> DavidSag, then open a terminal and type ifconfig eth0 :)
[12:01] <beaniebaby> oris_wolfbane,
[12:01] <Seveas> it's just a diagnostic command
[12:01] <ells> tritium: cool, thanks
[12:01] <smurfix> DavidSag: and/or type "ifconfig -a" and tell us if "eth0" shows up there
[12:01] <Xappe> dabugas: no luck?
[12:01] <kakalto> Seveas, I mean like *.rar, zip, tar, etc.
[12:01] <tritium> ells, that'll be some really verbose information.  Hopefully it'll include your video memory info
[12:01] <Seveas> kakalto, o sorry :)
[12:01] <dabugas> Xappe: no luck at all :(
[12:01] <Sionide> i partioned the drive, to have one for win and one for unbuntu, but i decided against installing windows, i got rid of the partition but the filesystem is still half the size of the disk, anyone know??
[12:01] <black_nightmare> kakalto..I know that tar's already can be handled in terminal
[12:01] <Seveas> for zip: unzip
[12:01] <kakalto> s' alright
[12:01] <DavidSag> i tried the GUI device managed, and i added an ethernet card, but it didnt allow me to active it
[12:01] <Seveas> for tar: tar
[12:02] <smurfix> Sionide:
[12:02] <kakalto> preferably visual
[12:02] <Seveas> for rar: apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[12:02] <Seveas> kakalto, file-roller
[12:02] <Sionide> yep?
[12:02] <dabugas> Xappe: how does nautilus know which drives to show?
[12:02] <Seveas> DavidSag, that's why you need to perform these commands in a terminal, that means we can find out what the problem is
[12:02] <kakalto> Seveas, file-roller comes with ubuntu, and it crashes when opening an archive with a CSS file in it
[12:02] <Seveas> kakalto, that's odd
[12:03] <Sionide> reason is, i cant install any updates because i've filled up the ubuntu partition, oops!
[12:03] <Xappe> dabugas, it should show things mounted in /media
[12:03] <Seveas> can you e-mail me that file for testing
[12:03] <kakalto> Seveas, it seems to be a gnome problem
[12:03] <DavidSag> ok, gr8 i'll get back to you, thankx !!
[12:03] <dabugas> the ones that are shown are my cdrom & floppy which are cdrom0 and floppy0 which link back to cdrom and floppy
[12:03] <dabugas> Xappe: my windows drive is in media :(
[12:03] <PecK> Seveas, after installing it with alien, got this msg when trying to run it "apradar: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:03] <PecK> "
[12:03] <geneo91> Sionide:  apt-get clean
[12:03] <smurfix> Sionide: How big are the partitions?
[12:03] <Sionide> 3gig each i think
[12:03] <kakalto> Seveas, nautilus crashes when you enter a directory with a css file in it, and gedit crashes when you try to open a css file :(
[12:04] <jaslor_MHz> DavidSag : Terminal is in Applications menu --> SystemTools - at the bottom
[12:04] <oris_wolfbane> gtg bye
[12:04] <PecK> lol this is awesome, what a mess :))
[12:04] <Xappe> dabugas: so are my mounted partitions, and they do not show up in Places either
[12:04] <smurfix> Sionide: It's far easier to just reformat the windoze partition as ext3 and copy /home or /usr onto it
[12:04] <Seveas> peck, apt-get install libgtkmm
[12:04] <PecK> Seveas, thx ;)
[12:04] <beaniebaby> hey everyone, i have a prob. When I try installing the driver for my SpeedTouch USB modem, i get this: no acceptable C compiler found in $path.
[12:05] <Seveas> might be called libgtkmm2.0-1c102 peck
[12:05] <dabugas> Xappe: daaaamn :(
[12:05] <smurfix> Sionide: otherwise if the Linux partition isn't directly in front of the windoze partition you'll have to move data, which is ugly
[12:05] <PecK> :) thx there again Seveas
[12:05] <Xappe> well, work tomorrow. have to get some sleep... goodnight all
[12:05] <Seveas> beaniebaby, apt-get install build-essential
[12:05] <kakalto> is winrar any good under linux?
[12:05] <smurfix> Sionide: resizing a partiton is possible, apt-get install ext2resize
[12:05] <Seveas> kakalto, there is unrar-nonfree for un-rarring files
[12:05] <beaniebaby> seveas, help lol, im a beginner
[12:05] <Di42lo`> How can i change the all system language on gnome ?
[12:05] <Seveas> maybe winrar works with wine, have not tested it
[12:06] <smurfix> Sionide: but for that to succeed you already need the large partition with a smaller filesystem :-/
[12:06] <Sionide> it directly infront of it
[12:06] <kakalto> Seveas, I'd preferably like everything in one big package :)
[12:06] <segfault> 'nautilus applications:///Internet' isn't working here. any ideas why?
[12:06] <Sionide> err
[12:06] <Sionide> hm
[12:06] <dabugas> goodnight, Xappe
[12:06] <Sionide> i can't do apt-get at the moment..
[12:06] <Seveas> beaniebaby, open a root terminal (applications -> system tools -> root terminal) and type apt-get install build-essential
[12:06] <smurfix> Sionide: so hda1 is linux root and hda2 is windows?
[12:06] <beaniebaby> okies, will be back..
[12:06] <smurfix> Sionide: (or something like that)
[12:06] <Sionide> hda2 is nothing now
[12:06] <Sionide> cos i never installed win
[12:06] <Seveas> kakalto, except for rar, everything can be handled by file-roller
[12:07] <Seveas> i want to help you resolve that bug, can you e-mail me the file that gives you errors
[12:07] <kakalto> Seveas, except when the archive has a Cascading Style Sheet :(
[12:07] <dabugas> segfault: menu editing is broken, use the menu-editor
[12:07] <smurfix> Sionide: OK, so "sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/arch*/*.deb"
[12:07] <Seveas> see my last line kakalto  :)
[12:07] <smurfix> Sionide: then install ext2resize
[12:07] <kakalto> Seveas, go on the ubuntuforums.org, into warty ubuntu other stuff support
[12:08] <kakalto> I made a topic there
[12:08] <Seveas> kakalto, i don't like forums, sorry
[12:08] <smurfix> Sionide: then fdisk /dev/hda, delete hda1 and hda2, make a new big hda1
[12:08] <dabugas> segfault: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/
[12:08] <smurfix> Sionide: then reboot with init=/bin/bash, use ext2resize, reboot again normally
[12:08] <segfault> dabugas: thanks.
[12:08] <smurfix> Sionide: *no*warranty*whatsoever* that this works OK (though it should ;-)
[12:09] <smurfix> Sionide: don't forget to set the bootable flag on hda1
[12:09] <kakalto> Seveas, go to #flood and I'll post what I wrote on the forums :)
[12:09] <Seveas> ok
[12:09] <Sionide> course
[12:09] <dabugas> segfault: cheers. i've been banging my head against the wall all weekend with nautilus' menu editing capabilities ;)
[12:09] <Sionide> i might just wait till hoary is released and reinstall... save a lot of trouble!!
[12:09] <magpie> hello all
[12:09] <smurfix> Sionide: you can install the prerelease now ;-)  it's rather stable already IMHO, but your choice
[12:10] <Sionide> i have already
[12:10] <Sionide> thats why i was gonna dual-boot with win
[12:10] <magpie> i'm looking for the solution to the debootstrap problem...any ideas?
[12:10] <segfault> dabugas: heh, i was about to do that!
[12:10] <Sionide> but never did in the end
[12:10] <Sionide> *shrug*
[12:10] <magpie> i've used official ubuntu cd and my own, which i successfully used several months ago...same machine
[12:10] <PecK> Seveas, all OK, thank you so much :)
[12:11] <PecK> Big cheers to all you guys.
[12:11] <dabugas> segfault: i was on wart and i've been (slowly) updating to hoary just for the fscking menu editing
[12:11] <magpie> what i'm saying is that i can't install it...
[12:11] <Sionide> smurfix, thanks for your help
[12:11] <Seveas> kakalto, can you give the location of the tarfile?
[12:12] <segfault> the weird thing is that i'm using hoary right now.
[12:12] <Sionide> ext2resize isnt wanting to install
[12:12] <magpie> i've seen some postings about it in the forum but no solution
[12:12] <segfault> and applications:/// isn't working
[12:12] <Sionide> it says it has no installation candidate or something
[12:12] <kakalto> Seveas, it's on oswd... I'll just find it
[12:13] <dampjam> How do I get vlc to work with alsa instead of oss.  I already installed vlc-modules-alsa
[12:13] <smurfix> Sionide: "sudo apt-get install ext2resize", works here
[12:13] <Sionide> yeah
[12:13] <Sionide> probably my proxy connection to the net?
[12:13] <dampjam> everytime I try to play a dvd it says it cannot open oss /dev/dsp
[12:13] <Sionide> :/
[12:13] <kakalto> Seveas, http://www.oswd.org/download.phtml/blueheaven.zip?id=1895 (and it's not tar)
[12:13] <Sionide> mucks everything up...
[12:13] <dabugas> segfault: ignore that, mate. just use the app i showed you. nautilus is somewhat broken
[12:13] <smurfix> Sionide: do you have universe enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:13] <smurfix> Sionide: (+apt-get update after that)
[12:14] <Seveas> kakalto, opens fine with file-roller here
[12:14] <Seveas> also, gedit gives no problems with the css file
[12:14] <Roey> crimsun: you here?
[12:14] <StR34k> Here is a Sound Juicer question if you please.
[12:15] <randabis> applications:/// does not work in Hoary because the menu specification changed
[12:15] <eruin> what audiosink do you guys use?
[12:16] <StR34k> I've gotten an error when trying to start it ->  Reason: The plugin necessary for CD access was not found.
[12:16] <StR34k> any ideas?
[12:16] <PecK> su doesn't work with ubuntu right, only sudo ?
[12:16] <Seveas> PecK, correct
[12:17] <PecK> ;) Seveas
[12:17] <cron> hi all, I have a problem with the warty installer: it's not seeing the partitions on my hd correctly. Is this a known problem? (with known fix?)
[12:17] <Seveas> but you can set it up yourself :)
[12:17] <StR34k> you can su, but you have to use sudo to change the root password.
[12:17] <PecK> :) i'm learning, will do
[12:17] <Seveas> cron, describe "not correctly"
[12:17] <Seveas> and descrive your disk layout
[12:17] <randabis> eruin, ALSA, but I have a creative audigy...I think it's using polypaudio in gnome, but I've been using kubuntu the past few days
[12:17] <gratuit> I can su just fine
[12:17] <Seveas> gratuit, as root
[12:17] <cron> claims there's a single fat16 partition, when there's actually nine, of various types
[12:17] <eruin> randabis: yeah... I've only had problems with sound after polypaudio
[12:17] <dabugas> randabis: applications:/// didn't in work in warty, either. from what i picked up, the gnome-menu was broken in relation with nautilus
[12:18] <Seveas> what type of disk?
[12:18] <cron> switching console and doing fdisk -l shows the partitions correctly. ide disk.
[12:18] <Seveas> dabugas, wrong
[12:18] <randabis> dabugas, it worked just fine for me when I was using warty
[12:18] <Seveas> dabugas, the menu specification changed in gnome 2.10
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> hey
[12:18] <Sionide> smurfix thanks a lot - i'll have to try again tomorrow..
[12:18] <Seveas> they now use the freedesktop.org standard
[12:18] <cron> there's just a single ide disk in the machine, nothing fancy...
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> if you upgrade ubuntu to hoary from warty
[12:18] <Sionide> off to bed ;)
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> it makes gnome have a new log-in screen
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> how do you configure that
[12:18] <Seveas> cron, i think you should file a bug report aboute the installer
[12:19] <PecK> Now, big one. Am using a compaq evo n400c with docking station. when i hot-unplug the dockstation, the system freezes... is there anything i can configure so it won't?
[12:19] <hal> is hoary really that much better?
[12:19] <Seveas> it is known that it fails sometimes, but (detailed) reports are needed to correct it
[12:19] <Seveas> hal, imho yes
[12:19] <hal> i just got warty, and im still learning...
[12:19] <cron> okay... any specific info that would be useful to include? dump of my partition table, I guess.
[12:19] <kakalto> Seveas, then should I just update my stuff?
[12:19] <Seveas> cron, indeed
[12:19] <Seveas> and the output from the installer about the partitions
[12:20] <hal> ok  what makes hoary that much better
[12:20] <Seveas> kakalto, might be a good action
[12:20] <kakalto> :(
[12:20] <kakalto> 130mb
[12:20] <Seveas> hal, amongst others: gnome 2.10
[12:20] <gratuit> hmm, my Desktop doesn't seem to be updating, shouldn't any files in ~/Desktop appear on the desktop?
[12:20] <cron> speaking of installer bugs... here's another: it hangs trying to detect keyboards when my usb joystick is plugged in.
[12:20] <randabis> bluefoxicy, there is a login screen setup thing in system --> administration I believe
[12:20] <Seveas> and acpi improvements
[12:20] <dabugas> Seveas & randabis: i just switched to ubuntu a week ago, so i'm not an all divining god: but i've been slowly updating my system to hoary just for the menu configuration. it was just downright fucked, both with nautilus and if i wa editing the files directly
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> randabis: no
[12:20] <funky> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> randabis: that's gdm
[12:20] <Seveas> cron, file it too, send the specs of your keyboard & joystick with it
[12:20] <funky> anyone can tell me how to solve this ?
[12:21] <randabis> bluefoxicy, you did say login screen
[12:21] <cron> Seveas, will do.
[12:21] <segfault> will hoary come with hal 0.5?
[12:21] <funky> im trying to add some debian sources
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> randabis:  I said gnome though
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> not gdm
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> one more in
[12:21] <randabis> bluefoxicy, gnome's login screen is gdm
[12:21] <randabis> you mean the splash screen I think
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> oh god
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[12:21] <Seveas> funky hold on
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> I want to make my own
[12:22] <randabis> there is a tool to change the splash screen in System somewhere I believe
[12:22] <funky> Seveas: ok
[12:22] <randabis> I'm not in gnome atm so I can't locate it
[12:22] <bluefoxicy> randabis: where
[12:22] <randabis> see above
[12:23] <bluefoxicy> I don't see it :/
[12:23] <dabugas> goodnight everyone
[12:23] <Seveas> funky: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 > /tmp/marillat-key | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0
[12:24] <eruin> argh
[12:24] <kakalto_> uhh
[12:24] <kakalto_> guys
[12:24] <eruin> OSS as gnomes multimediasystem kills rhythmbox
[12:24] <eruin> and nothing else works :/
[12:24] <kakalto_> xfce just removed my main bar!
[12:25] <PecK> well, Seveas, thanks so much. cheers to u all
[12:25] <funky> Seveas: thanks, i added to my tips-list
 funky: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 > /tmp/marillat-key | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0
[12:26] <veristead> i got a deep philospofical question
[12:26] <Seveas> yes bluefoxicy?
[12:26] <Seveas> veristead, tell us :)
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | tee /tmp/marillat-key | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> ?
[12:26] <veristead> how would one <such as myself> disable eth1 in the command prompt?
[12:26] <veristead> or is there a graphical way of doing it
[12:26] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, you;re right
[12:26] <veristead> <eth1 being my wireless interface>
[12:26] <Seveas> it's an error
[12:27] <Seveas> funky,
[12:27] <funky> i dont understand the last step
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> yeah, I'd think > | would either a) not work, or b) cause 0 to be stdin
[12:27] <Seveas> funky: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0
[12:27] <veristead> anyone?
[12:27] <funky> apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0?
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  tee writes to file and stdout both :)
[12:27] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, you dont need the file
[12:27] <Seveas> i did that before
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> ah
[12:28] <bluefoxicy> just wondering
[12:28] <Seveas> so the command was a bit messed up :)
[12:28] <jaslor_MHz> what is gtk+-2.0 and how can I get it ( I'm make ing that includes )
[12:28] <veristead> anyone know???
[12:28] <veristead> how do i turn off my wireless card/
[12:28] <veristead> ?
[12:28] <veristead> temporarily
[12:28] <Seveas> sudo ifdown eth1
[12:28] <veristead> ooo
[12:28] <veristead> thanx
[12:28] <randabis> veristead, there's that way, and you can also comment it out in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:29] <veristead> and to bring it back?
[12:29] <randabis> sudo ifup eth1
[12:29] <Seveas> sudo ifup eth1
[12:29] <veristead> sudo ifup
[12:29] <veristead> ok
[12:29] <veristead> good
[12:29] <veristead> that's what i thought
[12:29] <funky> Seveas: the apt-key add it will be better in /etc/apt/ ?
[12:29] <fireglow> arent wlan devices called wlanX ?
[12:29] <pvoce> sup all
[12:30] <Seveas> funky, apt-key will store the key for you
[12:30] <Seveas> but make sure you use the latter version of my command :)
[12:30] <funky> then, why i need to add the /proc/self/fd/0 ?
[12:30] <funky> yes, the latter, i know
[12:30] <Seveas> funky, because apt-key wants to read it from a file
[12:31] <funky>  /dev/pts/1
[12:31] <Seveas> and /proc/self/fd/0 is a fake file that represents standard input
[12:31] <veristead> randabis: would that prevent it on startup from starting
[12:31] <veristead> by commenting out interfaces?
[12:31] <Seveas> veristead, no
[12:31] <Seveas> that would prevent it from being used at all
[12:31] <veristead> oh
[12:31] <veristead> then to bring it back uncomment it/
[12:31] <veristead> ?
[12:31] <veristead> *
[12:32] <Seveas> to prevent it from being used at starup, just comment out the line "auto eth1"
[12:32] <veristead> wait you heard that
[12:32] <veristead> my card was off
[12:32] <veristead> how was i connected still
[12:32] <veristead> ?
[12:32] <Seveas> hehe
[12:32] <veristead> wait a minute?
[12:32] <veristead> i am confused
[12:32] <StR34k> veristead, magic :)
[12:32] <veristead> are you a ghost in my computer?
[12:32] <Jesterace> heh i've turned off my cable modem and i was still connected magically
[12:32] <Seveas> it's a kind of magic :)
[12:33] <Seveas> veristead, we are all LISA and DOCTOR programs :)
[12:33] <dampjam> whenever vlc tries to play dvds I get the line "Cannot obtain info fr CTL elem(MIXER,IEC958Playback Default',0,0,0): No such file or directory.  And sound does not work.
[12:33] <Seveas> ELIZA that is
[12:33] <StR34k> lol
[12:33] <veristead> what kind of magic are we discussing here
[12:33] <pvoce> shall we play a game?:))
[12:33] <veristead> LISA?
[12:33] <randabis> pixie dust
[12:33] <StR34k> :)
[12:33] <veristead> wait is doctor installed via emacs?
[12:33] <veristead> on this
[12:33] <veristead> i gotta check
[12:34] <vmrocha> i'm using hoary, the sound is not working, but if i play a cd using the cd player, the sounds starts to work in other apps, when i turn off the music, the sound stops to work on other apps... does anyone can help me? help!
[12:34] <pvoce> nopers..Im happy..I FINALLY got nvidia drivers to work:)
[12:34] <pvoce> vmrocha: which desktop and sound engine are you using?
[12:35] <vmrocha> gnome, alsa
[12:35] <pvoce> vmroacha: try Esound
[12:35] <vmrocha> esound? whats that?
[12:36] <randabis> esound is deprecated :p
[12:36] <pvoce> Its the sound engine for Enlightenment, but works well in gnome...ximian used it as a default
[12:36] <randabis> well, for gnome anyway
[12:36] <veristead> hey guys who wants a very therapist lesson?
[12:36] <veristead> er...session
[12:36] <pvoce> they depricaed i?  When???
[12:36] <jaslor_MHz> how do I install the GIMP toolkit libraries, what are they called ?
[12:37] <randabis> pvoce, it uses polypaudio now
[12:37] <pvoce> jaslor_MHz: libgtk
[12:37] <veristead> go to a command window and type in 'emacs' then when it lauches hit 'esc' then type 'x' then type doctor
[12:38] <pvoce> randabis: I quit using gnome when ximian went straight SuSE and Novell...havent kept up much at all
[12:39] <vmrocha> how can i change from alsa to esound? (esound is installed)
[12:39] <randabis> pvoce, I see, I'm back to kde myself since the 3.4 release..it's on an entirely new level of coolness
[12:40] <randabis> I still have gnome, but I haven't used it since I installed kubuntu-desktop :p
[12:41] <pvoce> randabis: I as well...especially here, not to mention that gnome community seems a bit disorganized lately...still some good apps though
[12:41] <WeirdAl> Does anyone who's turned up recently know how to configure the flash player to use ALSA?
[12:42] <pvoce> WeirdAl: flash in your browser?
[12:42] <WeirdAl> yeah
[12:42] <WeirdAl> plugin, sorry. Yeah.
[12:42] <pvoce> WeirdAl: Gnome or KDE?
[12:42] <WeirdAl> gnome
[12:42] <randabis> vmrocha, there's a multimedia device selector thing in system --> administration that lets you change it iirc
[12:42] <WeirdAl> don't mention esd :-p
[12:42] <Roey> ? Shot through the heart... ?
[12:43] <pvoce> lol...I wont...I understand its been depricated:))
[12:43] <vmrocha> randabis, do i have to restart system for it to work after?
[12:43] <Roey> pvoce: *it's
[12:43] <WeirdAl> esd's been deprecated?
[12:43] <WeirdAl> or alsa?
[12:43] <randabis> vmrocha not sure...maybe just logout and log in
[12:43] <randabis> WeirdAl, esd...polypaudio is a dropin replacement for it
[12:43] <pvoce> WeirdAl: esd
[12:43] <WeirdAl> k
[12:43] <WeirdAl> That's good, because it sucks.
[12:44] <WeirdAl> So how do I get the Flash plugin to use alsa? Currently I have no sound from Flash.
[12:44] <pvoce> I just use the aRts in KDE myself
[12:44] <randabis> yeah polypaudio is better from what I've heard
[12:44] <randabis> I'm using straight alsa, no sound server
[12:44] <WeirdAl> Alsa seems to be the only one that's in synch with everything I do.
[12:45] <WeirdAl> but um ... Flash doesn't use it, apparently.
[12:45] <WeirdAl> It seems to have its own ideas.
[12:45] <theantix> WeirdAl: it's hardwired IIRC
[12:45] <WeirdAl> I don't know what it is using though
[12:45] <WeirdAl> oh.
[12:45] <WeirdAl> :-s
[12:45] <pvoce> WeirdAl: FF is your browser, correct?
[12:45] <WeirdAl> Yep
[12:45] <vmrocha> randabis, thx
[12:45] <stazich> hello
[12:45] <theantix> WeirdAl: I've heard that it's "accesses the hardware directly", not sure if that means OSS or something else
[12:46] <pvoce> WA: do you get the same results with different browser and/or desktop?
[12:46] <WeirdAl> I haven't tried.
[12:46] <WeirdAl> I wouldn't know how :-\
[12:46] <WeirdAl> Oh, maybe I can load KDA
[12:46] <WeirdAl> KDE
[12:46] <WeirdAl> just a se
[12:46] <WeirdAl> c
[12:46] <pvoce> WA: That will at least pare it down as to which app or plugin is not configured for sound
[12:47] <WeirdAl> I don't have KDE installed to try that :-\
[12:47] <WeirdAl> Or any other browser...
[12:47] <pvoce> use synaptic to load a basic kde install
[12:47] <WeirdAl> Is opera in a repository?
[12:47] <pvoce> nautilus can be used as a browser as wel
[12:47] <WeirdAl> oh :-)
[12:47] <Laser> Hi
[12:48] <Laser> I have a problem
[12:48] <theantix> weirdal, you might just try ephiphany or galeon instead of installing all of kde
[12:48] <theantix> however you'll quite likely get the same problems no matter what
[12:48] <WeirdAl> Nautilus tells me that the location is not a folder.
[12:49] <pvoce> you need to use http:
[12:49] <WeirdAl> I did
[12:49] <Laser> I just installed Ubuntu on my iBook 466 SE and the screen is all weird. I think i got the wrong resolution. What can i do to change it?
[12:50] <pvoce> hmmm....
[12:50] <WeirdAl> KDE's going to take half an hour to get :-(
[12:50] <Laser> And now it's resting and won't wake up or shut down :(
[12:50] <WeirdAl> You don't happen to know how I can resize my ext3 root partition do you?
[12:50] <WeirdAl> I've tried parted, QTParted, live CDs...
[12:51] <kent> Laser, there is a program to change the screenresolution in Gnome. Does it not work?
[12:51] <nubbe> When I try to use nvidia-settings, I get mostly nothing, just a window with no real functionality, and when I start it in terminal I get :ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[12:51] <Laser> kent, i can't see anything on the screen so i can't really do anything
[12:51] <catrlr> ok... oops
[12:51] <catrlr> i made an oopsy
[12:51] <pvoce> k.back....kids needed me
[12:52] <nubbe> anyone got a suggestion?
[12:52] <catrlr> i jst changed my eth1 MAC address to the same as my G4s address.. how do i change it back?
[12:52] <WeirdAl> pvoce, any ideas about partitioning? ^^^
[12:52] <catrlr> i didn't write down my old one
[12:52] <Laser> How do i wake the computer up from sleep-mode?
[12:52] <catrlr> i used 'sudo ifconfig eth1 hw ether <MAC-ADDRESS>
[12:53] <catrlr> i am going to try to restart and see if that helps
[12:54] <Laser> I can't even shut the computer down right now :(
[12:54] <catrlr> what type of machine Laser?
[12:54] <Laser> ibook 466 SE
[12:54] <catrlr> ahh
[12:54] <catrlr> i have that exact problem on mie
[12:54] <catrlr> mine*
[12:54] <catrlr> something about airport waking up
[12:55] <Laser> I don't have airport
[12:55] <catrlr> and never doing anything after
[12:55] <catrlr> oh
[12:55] <catrlr> well then it's different for you
[12:55] <Laser> I just installed ubuntu, and everythings messed up :)
[12:56] <catrlr> did you dump your other OS in the process?
[12:56] <catrlr> oops
[12:56] <catrlr> nvm
[12:56] <catrlr> cnt answer that now can he
[12:56] <catrlr> ?
[12:56] <KingArthur> ok, I've got an old generic x86 box with 4GB HD, 333Mhz processor, and 32MB of RAM.  Ubuntu claims to work on 32MB of ram.  It's got CD-Rom boot option, and I've booted to install ubuntu, and it works in "low memory mode".  Well, as it verifys files, it comes to the step of "unpacking lvmcfg-utils".  Then it throws back up the low memory dialogue, I say continue, and at the bottom it shows a Fatal Error for a second befor
[12:56] <KingArthur> again
[12:57] <mhz> tsktsktsk! after googling a while, reading many posts, etc, I still can't get cdrecord to fixate CDs... any ideas?
[12:57] <KingArthur> any ideas on how I can get this to finish unpacking correctly?
[12:58] <MyNameIsChris> For some strange reason my virtual terminals percieve a | as a ~ and various other character swaps. I think I have it on the wrong keyboard. But I have no idea how to change it
[01:00] <KingArthur> well, looks like the tech supporting guys are a little busy.  probably a little too much candy today ;-)
[01:00] <Bobby> anyone who can help me with a boot problem?
[01:00] <neighborlee> KingArthur, lol
[01:00] <neighborlee> Bobby, whats up
[01:01] <Bobby> well, it seems like the system can't mount the root partition at start up :/
[01:01] <catrlr> yay got my MAC address back
[01:01] <catrlr> god bless america
[01:01] <jnk> KingArthur, what's the problem ?
[01:02] <kakalto> does anyone know of a zip,rar,etc. program (not file-roller)
[01:02] <kakalto> ?
[01:02] <mathmatt> unrar
[01:02] <kakalto> unrar,
[01:02] <KingArthur> It freezes at the "unpacking lvmcfg-utils".  Gives me a low memory mode warning, then a fatal error, then comes back and tries to do it again
[01:02] <kakalto> ?
[01:02] <crocco> hi all
[01:03] <mathmatt> oh, for making archives, rar
[01:03] <KingArthur> that is during the install process
[01:03] <mathmatt> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/utils/rar
[01:03] <KingArthur> I've only got 32MB of ram, but Ubuntu says it will work with 32.
[01:03] <jeavis> hello How I can Install mySQL to Hoary
[01:03] <kakalto> mathmatt, any ones with a GUI?
[01:04] <kakalto> mathmatt, also, I'm not hoary yet ;)
[01:04] <crocco> i have a question concerning Enlightenment, i want  to try the engage "dock" and i added some a repository to my sources.list and the packages in there are simply not coming up when i apt-cache search for them
[01:04] <crocco> the repos i am talking about are in here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20216.html
[01:05] <jnk> crocco, you have done an "apt-get update" (or "aptitude update") right? And you're talking about apt-cache not apt-get ?
[01:05] <Bobby> Is there a rescue disk on the installation cd?
[01:05] <crocco> jeavis, apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
[01:05] <jnk> KingArthur, what version are you installing?
[01:05] <crocco> Bobby, the live cd i guess
[01:05] <jnk> Bobby, there is the boot CD
[01:05] <crocco> jnk, yah
[01:05] <jnk> yeah I meant live CD)
[01:05] <crocco> i did an updtae
[01:05] <crocco> update even
[01:05] <Bobby> oki, I'll try that
[01:06] <jeavis> crocco; apt-get install mysql.server
[01:06] <KingArthur> version: 4.1
[01:06] <crocco> bobby also when you boot with the regular install cd hit alt+F2
[01:06] <crocco> you will get a console
[01:06] <crocco> jeavis, euuh no
[01:06] <jnk> crocco, and "apt-cache show engage" shows nothing ?
[01:06] <crocco> mysql-server ..
[01:06] <Bobby> ok crocco, got that
[01:06] <crocco> jeavis, if that is what you want of course
[01:07] <crocco> W: Unable to locate package engage
[01:08] <maciek> jest ktos z polski ??
[01:08] <kakalto> does anyone know of a zip,rar,etc. program (not file-roller) with a GUI?
[01:08] <crocco> let's keep this english please .. it is pretty universal
[01:08] <jeavis> crocco; root@jeavis:~# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password pecos
[01:08] <jeavis> Unknown suffix '/' used for variable 'socket' (value '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock')
[01:08] <jeavis> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: Error while setting value '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' to 'socket'
[01:08] <jnk> KingArthur, sorry I can't help, but maybe try with hoary...
[01:09] <crocco> jeavis, what is it exactly that you wanna achieve
[01:09] <jnk> crocco, and no error message when doing apt-get update ?
[01:09] <KingArthur> would setting up a swap work?  And if so, how do y ou do it?
[01:09] <crocco> kakalto, file-roller works awsome
[01:09] <kakalto> crocco, file-roller crashes
[01:09] <kakalto> for me
[01:09] <crocco> with ?
[01:09] <jeavis> crocco; I want to put my user
[01:10] <kakalto> whenever there's a *.CSS file in the zip/rar
[01:10] <crocco> jeavis, you only want to ass a user ?
[01:10] <derek> is there a package to make quicktime work under firefox?
[01:10] <jeavis> crocco; I have install yet mysql.server
[01:10] <KingArthur> jnk  : what is hoary?
[01:10] <crocco> kakalto, wow .. ok .. try fireing up fileroller in gdb and look what it says
[01:10] <kakalto> derek, I'm pretty sure quicktime is windows & Mac OS only
[01:10] <derek> KingArthur, a horny boar?
[01:10] <crocco> KingArthur, like unstable for debian
[01:10] <kakalto> crocco: gdb?
[01:10] <kakalto> crocco, I'm fairly new to linux
[01:10] <crocco> like sid
[01:10] <derek> kakalto, quicktime worked for me under normal debian
[01:11] <kakalto> derek, with wine or something?
[01:11] <derek> kakalto, i had to grab packages off non free servers
[01:11] <crocco> kakalto, hmmz .. ok sorry .. euuh i dunno of any other ones .. you can always use your cmd line :) unrar / unzip / unace
[01:11] <kakalto> derek, or am I thinking of another media thing
[01:11] <jnk> KingArthur, to set up a swap you: 1) make a partition with code 83 (I think) and mkswap it  2) activate it (for example: swapon /dev/hda3)
[01:11] <derek> kakalto, nope just normal old gnu\linux
[01:11] <crocco> kakalto, not too difficult
[01:11] <jnk> but I don't know if this can help
[01:11] <derek> kakalto, where there is "quick time" player and "quick time" format
[01:12] <kkathman> good day all :)
[01:12] <derek> i never got quick time player working, but got quick time format to play under other players :)
[01:12] <kakalto> derek, ahk.
[01:12] <jnk> KingArthur, hoary is the next ubuntu version, it'll be released on 6th april I think. But it's already pretty stable now
[01:12] <crocco> ho ho ho // wait  a sec .. what is this .. Quicktime working underlinux from non free servers ?
[01:12] <crocco> wtf
[01:12] <KingArthur> well, I'll look around and see what I can do :-)
[01:12] <KingArthur> thanks for help, everyone.
[01:13] <mathmatt> running Hoary, it rocks!
[01:13] <jnk> derek, there was a mozilla plugin for mplayer I think
[01:13] <maciek>  Hoary, it rocks!
[01:13] <Roey> hi
[01:13] <airmikey> is ubuntu like fedora when it comes to getting kernel updates  or do u haved to compile?
[01:13] <mathmatt> any users of Octave 2.1 in here?
[01:13] <Roey> I get this erorr trying to boot Ubuntu:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/QPbSIs30.html
[01:13] <StR34k> I was running suse.
[01:13] <crocco> yes
[01:13] <Roey> what gives?
[01:13] <jnk> airmikey, you choose
[01:14] <StR34k> 9.1
[01:14] <crocco> mplayerplug-in
[01:14] <jnk> airmikey, I just run "aptitude update" and everything is automatic
[01:14] <airmikey> right on
[01:14] <airmikey> jnk:thx
[01:14] <crocco> hmmz .. anyone able to help me with my problem ? the one explained above ?
[01:14] <mathmatt> I'm unable to run surf() under Octave.  any ideas?
[01:14] <Roey> Correction:  I get this when booting Ubuntu: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cd7Cha40.html
[01:15] <maciek> jnk, mozplugger
[01:15] <Curalton> looks like a RAID error to me Roey
[01:15] <derek> jnk: Marillat used to have them
[01:15] <derek> is there something like marillat repositories for ubuntu?
[01:16] <randabis> you can use the marilliat repositories for ubuntu if you're very careful
[01:16] <jnk> crocco, it's just... strange...  have you run apt-get update several times? (I remember one time where this helped), have you checked for other packages (enlightenment 0.16.999 for example)?
[01:16] <crocco> jnk yes
[01:16] <kakalto> what is kde's equivalent of file-roller?
[01:17] <derek> randabis, if i am using hoary (which Marillat should i use?) stable, testing or unstable
[01:17] <Roey> Curalton: how so??
[01:17] <crocco> i have also checked other repositories(mirrors_
[01:17] <crocco> and nothing
[01:17] <jnk> what do you mean?
[01:17] <Roey> Curalton: everyone says raid error.  Well, fuck.  Should I just mkfs /boot afresh?
[01:17] <Curalton> Roey: do you use raid? and does it prevent ubuntu from booting?
[01:17] <jnk> crocco, that your database never gets updated?
[01:17] <Roey> Curalton: the only time it prevented ubuntu from booting was when I installed it.  Debian Proper doesn't care.
[01:18] <Roey> Curalton: it actually did this for some time:
[01:18] <randabis> derek, unstable I believe
[01:18] <Roey> Curalton: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html
[01:19] <errr> I have a Dell insprion, and after upgrading my horay from the gnome 2.9.(what ever it was) to the current it is dog slow. Its not gnome related because I alos have fluxbox installed and its dog slow too. I have looked in the xorg config to see if composite was enabled or something but it wasnt. has any one else had this problem?
[01:19] <kakalto> does anyone know what kde's equivalent of file-roller is?
[01:19] <Curalton> err, you use raid right? with md0 as root?
[01:19] <Curalton> @ Roey
[01:19] <mathmatt> ark works for kde
[01:19] <javi> hi there, how can i configure this ubuntu system as a gateway to other computers ;o?
[01:19] <crocco> well .. euuh it does
[01:20] <Roey> Curalton: right
[01:20] <mjt> is there a reason to use ati proprietary drivers with radeon 9200 cards, anyone know?
[01:20] <javi> is a howto out there?
[01:20] <crocco> jnk, it does get updated .. only not from those respositories
[01:20] <Roey> Curalton: md0 is /boot, md1 is /home, md2 is /
[01:20] <errr> javi: I used to use firestarter for that. it was an easy to use app
[01:20] <crocco> may be i have a lot of repositories (that would be a new one for debian )
[01:20] <mjt> Roey: mdadm just doesn't see the /dev/mdX device nodes, that's all
[01:20] <javi> thx ;o ill check it out
[01:20] <Curalton> mjt: udev problem maybe?
[01:20] <Roey> mjg59: ok
[01:20] <Roey> er
[01:21] <Roey> mjt: ok, is there a way to make it?
[01:21] <kakalto> anyone?
[01:21] <mjt> Curalton: well, it's a bit more than udev, really
[01:21] <mjt> Roey: which version of mdadm it is?
[01:21] <Roey> mjt: one sec
[01:21] <derek> is there a newer multimedia howto than: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-25783.html
[01:21] <Roey> mjt:  23:21:43 / mdadm --version
[01:21] <Roey> mdadm - v1.9.0 - 04 February 2005
[01:21] <errr> kakalto: the file manager?
[01:22] <mjt> btw, is there a way with udev to create some fixed nodes manually?
[01:22] <Roey> mjt: also I cannot boot off LILO (with any amd64 kernel, raid or not raid)
[01:22] <crocco> jnk, they get ignored
[01:22] <jeavis> where I can find the documentation to hoary
[01:22] <errr> kakalto: konqueror (if so )
[01:23] <mjt> Roey: that version can create the nodes automatically, provided you give --auto=md argument to it
[01:24] <Roey> mjt: hmm
[01:24] <jnk> kakalto, you were told already: Ark
[01:24] <mjt> Roey: at the shell prompt - when you're at the state as outlined in your rafb paste - try mdadm --assemble --scan --auto=md /dev/md0
[01:24] <Roey> mjt:  well I am chroot'd into the original disks -- this is where I coudl do this/
[01:24] <jnk> crocco, and apt-get update doesn't complain?
[01:25] <kakalto> jnk, I didn't see, sorry
[01:25] <crocco> jnk it doesn't complain it euuh ignores the source
[01:25] <airmikey> anyone useing that usb harddrive ?
[01:26] <Roey> mjt:  will the command you provided change the raid partitions?
[01:26] <Roey> mjt:  do they require that these raid partitions be unmounted first?
[01:26] <maciek> airmikey, that ??
[01:26] <crocco> airmikey, euu i use usb stuff why
[01:27] <mjt> Roey: note "when you're at the state as outlined in your rafb paste" part, again
[01:27] <airmikey> jus wordering if i can plug into usb on any os  without a prob
[01:27] <mjt> Roey: the command will try to assemble (what a guess!) the md0 array
[01:27] <Roey> mjt: but the thing hangs at that point.
[01:27] <Roey> mjt: I can't type in anything
[01:27] <maciek> airmikey, U can,,... :D
[01:28] <spiraloid> quick question.. I need to modify my PATH for non-console environments. it appears that bashrc and .bashrc (and the like) are not being parsed when logging in through GDM.. where can I set these on a per-user basis?
[01:28] <mjt> Roey: damn, it asks you for yoour root password!
[01:28] <spiraloid> not just path, but also add some env. vars
[01:28] <mjt> "add some env vars"  I just love it ;)
[01:29] <crocco> spiraloid,  euuh ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile etc etc .... that given that the user uses bash
[01:29] <spiraloid> the thing is, those arne't being parsed
[01:29] <Chipzz> spiraloid: you should RTFM :P
[01:29] <spiraloid> you should read my question :P
[01:30] <Chipzz> no, you should RTFM
[01:30] <spiraloid> I modify those files as I thought I should.. it's when launching apps, the variables simply aren't being set.
[01:30] <Chipzz> it's in there
[01:30] <Chipzz> man bash
[01:30] <spiraloid> hm ok
[01:30] <Roey> mjt: that does not happen anymore
[01:30] <spiraloid> even if bash isn't involved eh
[01:30] <Roey> mjt: that's how it was after I installed Ubuntu
[01:30] <Chipzz> .bash_profile is for login shells, .bashrc for non-login shells
[01:30] <crocco> Chipzz, if you know the answer you should tell him that spares a lot of typing and irritation ..
[01:30] <Roey> mjt: now it just gives me:
[01:31] <Roey> mjt: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cd7Cha40.html
[01:31] <crocco> Chipzz, RTFM just seems NEVER to work .. ppl NEVER read man first .. i gave that hope up
[01:31] <Roey> mjt: (between these error messages I had inadvertantly apt-got installed kernel-image-2.6.10)
[01:31] <Chipzz> crocco: well, but if you tell them too, then they should :P
[01:31] <Chipzz> s/too/to
[01:31] <crocco> no .. tried that for years ..
[01:31] <crocco> :)
[01:32] <mjt> Roey: what's "[etc etc] " ?
[01:32] <spiraloid> hey i know how to handle bashrc and profile alright, i'm no noob :P i'm tellin ya, i put the export commands in BOTH files, and they weren't being set when: logging in through gdm, then executing the app through the gnome menu, etc.
[01:32] <Chipzz> crocco: slap harder ;)
[01:32] <Roey> mjt:  is a possible solution to delete /dev/md0 and mkfs.ext3 it from scratch?
[01:32] <spiraloid> even entering them into the global /etc/bashrc or /etc/profile
[01:32] <crocco> anyways .. i need to know why apt is ignoring some repositories
[01:32] <spiraloid> how so, crocco?
[01:32] <mjt> Roey: what's "delete" ?  rm /dev/md0?
[01:32] <kakalto> what is desktop publishing?
[01:32] <airmikey> maciek:yeah thx..its jus that ive lost all my music and movies on the internel drives..loading different linuxs
[01:32] <bodhi> has anyone used the irda-utils?
[01:33] <crocco> lol spiraloid that was pretty much the question ..
[01:33] <crocco> lol
[01:33] <Roey> mjt:  the [etc etc]  represents all the messages that the other filesystem drivers give when they try to read the partition (NTFS tries, Reiser tries, etc.)
[01:33] <Chipzz> crocco: apt-cache policy
[01:33] <maciek> airmikey, ooppss... sorry...
[01:33] <Chipzz> crocco: man apt-cache ;)
[01:33] <Roey> mjt::  first to stop raid on /dev/md0.  Then to do some raidhotadd voodoo and mkfs.ext3 on it
[01:33] <Roey> mjt: somehow.
[01:33] <spiraloid> i mean, what are the repositories, etc.. i added a repository lately, and it's not letting me force versions from it.. i figured it would be due to non-signed or untrusted repositories, but didn't bother much with it.
[01:33] <maciek> airmikey, really...
[01:34] <Roey> mjt: or first to umount /dev/md0, actually
[01:34] <kakalto> anyone?
[01:34] <Roey> mjt: then to re-do mkfs.ext3 on it
[01:34] <InitMass> if i install a file, not with apt, will the app only place files in the dir which i tell it to install into?
[01:34] <mjt> Roey: that last rafb paste shows your system can't find your scsi disks
[01:34] <Roey> mjt: then copy the boot files over.
[01:34] <GhostFaceKilla> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[01:34] <Roey> mjt: there's SATA disks.
[01:34] <crocco> Chipzz, lol
[01:34] <Roey> mjt: *they're
[01:34] <Roey> mjt: can Ubuntu boot off SATA disks?
[01:34] <GhostFaceKilla> what happened to his public key?
[01:34] <spiraloid> doesn't have one
[01:34] <Chipzz> crocco: at least I gave you a hint what to look for ;)
[01:35] <Roey> mjt: can it boot off / and /boot when they're on raid1 ?
[01:35] <mjt> Roey: sata, scsi, whatever. the system does not see them for some reason.  And *that* is the problem you have to fix first
[01:35] <Roey> mjt: OK, how?
[01:35] <Roey> mjt: You gave commands but I don't know where and when to execute them
[01:35] <mjt> i did?
[01:35] <magnon> anyone have any idea what might happen when I can't install packages because base-system is unable to do anything with /var/log/btmp? I can't access the file as root myself either
 Roey: at the shell prompt - when you're at the state as outlined in your rafb paste - try mdadm --assemble --scan --auto=md /dev/md0
[01:36] <randabis> GhostFaceKilla, don't know, but it's not a big deal
[01:36] <crocco> Chipzz, yah .. thx ..
[01:36] <mjt> Roey: that's about your first paste, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html
[01:36] <Roey> mjt: oh, ok.
[01:36] <mjt> Roey: on the second, things are *very* different ;)
[01:37] <Roey> mjg59: what about for this one then?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cd7Cha40.html
[01:37] <Roey> mjt: ahh ok
[01:37] <Chipzz> crocco: dunnow if that's what you're looking for, but I think it's a hint in the right direction ;)
[01:37] <mjt> Roey: hey, i've already seen that ;)
[01:37] <Roey> =)
[01:37] <crocco> hmm .. i think it might be cause of my AMD64 ... damn
[01:38] <crocco> Chipzz, well .. i think it's an answer..it meant GO GOOGLE .. this place is not helping ;)
[01:38] <mjt> Roey: how your system is booted in the first place?  Is that still initrd stuff?  Where' s your root fs?
[01:39] <Roey> mjt: the rootfs is on /dev/md2
[01:39] <Roey> mjt: the initrd for the image that I am booting is located in /boot, which is on /dev/md0.
[01:39] <bodhi> i can configure Irda to work, anyone have Irda in a PC and ubuntu?
[01:39] <jaslor_MHz> I a nooby with a makefile - how can I "add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable"
[01:39] <bodhi> i CANT configure Irda to work, anyone have Irda in a PC and ubuntu?
[01:40] <jaslor_MHz> how can I find that file ?
[01:40] <spiraloid> install the gtk dev packages
[01:40] <mjt> Roey: aha. so it can't assemble md2 which is your root, so on the the last paste it is still processing initrd... oh well.
[01:40] <Chipzz> crocco: with apt-cache policy somepackage, it will show you which repositories are being considered for that package and in which order
[01:40] <Chipzz> crocco: does that help? :)
[01:41] <spiraloid> jaslor_MHz, I think the package you want to install is libgtk2.0-dev
[01:41] <magnon> hey, I'm seeing that several log files are unaccessible even by root (gets Permission denied). What could be up?
[01:41] <Roey> mjt: hmm, ok
[01:41] <Roey> mjt: is there anything we can specify to grub to tell it to work?
[01:41] <mjt> Roey: i don't know how initrd works in ubuntu and if there's any shell inside so one can type a command or two.  But it looks like the driver for your sata controller isn't loaded, or something - do you see it being loaded?
[01:41] <Roey> mjt: not at all!
[01:41] <Roey> mjt: perhaps an ubuntu dev can answer this?
[01:41] <Roey> crimsun: yo
[01:42] <kneecaps> will warty upgrade to ubuntu cleanly at this point in time by changing the sources?
[01:42] <jaslor_MHz> thanks spiraloid that was indeed the package
[01:42] <Pizbit_> crocco: I can only think: 1) You havn't done an apt-get update since adding them respositories in 2) There are newer packages in other repositories so they take precedence 3) The ignored respository has no packages for your cpu type so you can't install from them
[01:42] <spiraloid> kneecaps, I had no problems :)
[01:42] <scottj> Does ubuntu not play mp3s out of the box? What do I have to install for rythmbox to play them?
[01:43] <kneecaps> spiraloid: lol..thanks, I mean't hoary not ubuntu doh :D
[01:43] <spiraloid> yeah I figured :)
[01:43] <mjt> magnon: two possibilities. 1) run fsck on the filesystem - may be due to problems in the filesystem structure; 2) lsattr
[01:43] <Pizbit_> scottj: All you need to know http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:43] <jaslor_MHz> kneecaps, I tried it yesterday but cooked my gnome - restarted from CD
[01:44] <crocco> Pizbit_, well .. i doubt so as the repositories i am talking about contain Enlightenment stuff from which i only find a few in the pkg list of apt.
[01:44] <mjt> Roey: try to figure out which driver do you need for your controller and ensure it is loaded in the initrd. from the install/rescue disk and chroot perhaps.
[01:44] <Roey> mjt: it's using softraid...
[01:44] <Roey> mjt: what do you mean, controller?
[01:44] <mjt> Roey: sata controller
[01:44] <Roey> mjt: oh.
[01:44] <Roey> mjt: jeff garzick's promise controller.
[01:45] <magnon> mjt: yeah, just looked at dmesg. Reiser is complaining, guess that's it.
[01:45] <Pizbit> crocco: Could be you didn't add the respository properly(ie, missed out something equivelent to universe/mqain/etc), or they just don't have all the E packages?
[01:45] <kneecaps> jaslor_MHz: ah...right, I thought gnome/xorg could be problematic
[01:45] <mjt> Roey: your softraid can't work with disks connected to air, can it?
[01:45] <mjt> Roey: so ensure the driver is loaded in the initrd
[01:45] <Roey> mjt: how can I inspect initrd contents
[01:46] <crocco> Pizbit, doubt that too, as then apt would complain ... and give an error message .. and the line simply is well formed .. deb http://www.soulmachine.net/debian unstable-20050215/
[01:46] <jaslor_MHz> has anyone got the w32 media codecs to install in hoary ?
[01:46] <mjt> Roey: you can mount it readonly - it's cramfs, so mount -o loop,ro -t cramfs /boot/initrdxx /mnt/whatever;  To change it you have to run mkinitrd
[01:46] <crocco> Pizbit, check out the repos they DEFINATELY have everything packaged and in the Packages file also
[01:47] <Pizbit> jaslor_MHz: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[01:47] <Roey> mjt: ok, and...I'm still trying to figure out which libata driver it is
[01:47] <jaslor_MHz> thanks Pizbit
[01:47] <flodine> is ubuntu easy like fedora?
[01:48] <mjt> magnon: pretty nice error messsages reiserfs produces, eh?  INstead of I/O error or something, "permission denied"... Still can't understand why ppl are using this piece of crap...
[01:48] <jagnet> hi! anyone tried the belkin 54g wireless card with broadcom chip? it is standing between me and ubuntu...
[01:48] <magnon> mjt: yeah, I'm going to stop ;)
[01:48] <magnon> mjt: you wouldn't, by any chance, know how to force a fsck at next reboot?
[01:48] <crocco> also
[01:48] <mjt> touch /forcefsck
[01:49] <magnon> mjt: never mind, shutdown -F
[01:49] <magnon> ah, another method then :)
[01:49] <mjt> shutdown -F does just that ;)
[01:49] <magnon> thanks though
[01:49] <crocco> hey Chipzz when i do apt-cache policy enlightenment it says that i have0.16 and that is the only one available and that none is pinned .. and that is wrond
[01:49] <crocco> wrong
[01:49] <crocco> as i have it in /etc/apt/preferences
[01:50] <scottj> When doing apt-get update it often just sits there on 99% fetching headers. why is that?
[01:50] <Roey> mjt:   ./lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_promise.ko
[01:50] <Roey> mjt:  that one I found under the initrd mount
[01:51] <mjt> Roey: ugh.  So is it being loaded in your initrd before mdadm?
[01:51] <mjt> Roey: the kernel usually says something ilke "found Promise blabla controller at blabla..."
[01:52] <black_nightmare> hey there
[01:52] <black_nightmare> anyone know about something like a hardware probe?  you know like..trying find what an isa card would be (irq too)
[01:53] <black_nightmare> if not...ty..at least I asked
[01:53] <jagnet> no one with broadcom wireless chip?...
[01:53] <Pizbit> crocco: Is it just me, or are they not listed here? http://www.soulmachine.net/debian/unstable-20050215/Packages
[01:53] <Roey> mjt: what I posted is what appears.
[01:54] <Roey> mjt: so it looks like that module is /not/ being loaded before mdadm, because mdadm is whining from the start
[01:54] <Roey> mjt:  in 'loadmodules' we have:  modprobe -k  unix 2> /dev/null
[01:54] <Roey> modprobe -k  raid1
[01:55] <Roey> mjt: does 'unix' include all the filesystem drivers and mdadm?
[01:55] <mjt> Roey: unix is unrelated at all.. it's unix-domain sockets support
[01:55] <Roey> mjt: in 'script' we have:  ROOT=/dev/md2
[01:55] <Roey> mdadm -A /devfs/md/2 -R -u a6dcd495:7faef1ce:2993219c:26e2b700 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb6
[01:55] <crocco> Pizbit, it's only you
[01:56] <black_nightmare> hmm roey can I use modprobe to search for isa?  just curious
[01:56] <Pizbit> crocco: Damn, I think about it after I've spent more than a minute awake
[01:56] <Roey> black_nightmare: dunno
[01:56] <crocco> Pizbit, if you look for "Package: enlightenement" you will find it:)
[01:56] <black_nightmare> ty still
[01:56] <Roey> black_nightmare: lspci
[01:56] <mjt> Roey: it should load your promise card driver too, before mdadm
[01:56] <Roey> mjt: that's all it has
[01:56] <Roey> mjt: that 'script' file
[01:56] <crocco> Pizbit, :)
[01:56] <jas_MHz> my makefile isn't finding my /usr/include/linux folder - can I add it to an environment variable or something ??
[01:56] <mjt> Roey: plus, it should load sd_mod (disk driver)
[01:56] <Roey> mjt: "ROOT=/dev/md2" followed by "mdadm -A /devfs/md/2 -R -u a6dcd495:7faef1ce:2993219c:26e2b700 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb6"
[01:56] <Pizbit> crocco: What you could always do is download the packages straight from that address and then dpkg -i package1 package2 etc:)
[01:57] <black_nightmare> hmm roey...ty thats interesting but then its not even showing my isa sound card...thats what i want try detect especially to figure its irq
[01:57] <crocco> Pizbit, thaught about that but i do not see a reason why this should not work ..
[01:58] <Roey> mjt:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/4l8VaW66.html
[01:58] <mjt> Roey: i guess you have to re-create your initrd, and specify the two modules mentioned (your promise driver and sd_mod) in /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[01:58] <Roey> mjt: didja check out that link?
[01:58] <Roey> mjt: it loads sd_mod
[01:58] <mjt> Roey: but not your promise driver!
[01:59] <Roey> mjt: ok
[01:59] <Roey> mjt: so I add to /etc/mkinitrd this "sata_promise" ?
[01:59] <Roey> mjt: btw I hope this is it
[01:59] <mirak> is there a way to make gnome use async asynchrone transfert mode for the removable devices ?
[01:59] <Pizbit> crocco: Hrm, try removing the / at end of your deb line
[01:59] <crocco> Pizbit, that gens an error man :) ..
[01:59] <mjt> Roey: i think i repeated that about a dozen of times already: your initrd must load your controller driver somehow
[01:59] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:00] <black_nightmare> hmmm........this is interesting....
[02:00] <black_nightmare> I tried 'modprobe sb' out of curiousity and got several errors
[02:00] <black_nightmare> anyone mind seeing it and perhaps deciph it for me? :)
[02:00] <Roey> mjt: I meant to ask, is there a possibility that this is /not/ my controller driver (i.e. I have a promise sata controller... are they all wrapped up in this single driver?)
[02:00] <Roey> (are all sata drivers)
[02:01] <crocco> this is real weird Ign http://www.soulmachine.net unstable-20050215/ Release       Ign http://www.soulmachine.net unstable-20050215/ Packages
[02:01] <Roey> mjt: ok, in /etc/mkinitrd/modules I added:  sata_promise sd_mod ext3 xfs (one per line)
[02:01] <mrproper> Does anyone have Mono 1.0.6 deb's for Horay?
[02:02] <mirak> in fact that's the opposite, I want it synchrone
[02:02] <black_nightmare> FATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device
[02:02] <black_nightmare> the card is right there....just I dunno what irq/whatever it even is on at all
[02:02] <mjt> Roey: i dunno about the driver - never dealt with sata stuff at all.  You can check in /sys -- which driver is handling your device.  lspci to find the slot number, and check the link at /sys/bus/pci/devices/<number>/driver
[02:02] <Pizbit> crocco: Maybe it's malformed or something odd?:)
[02:02] <mdke> is this occuring to others?
[02:03] <mdke> Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[02:03] <mdke> Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[02:03] <Pizbit> crocco: http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/2005/02/mirrors.html
[02:03] <mjt> Roey: don't add filesystem modules - mkinitrd will figure them out by its own. ditto for sd_mod.
[02:03] <crocco> Pizbit, tried that also .. same thing they get ignored
[02:03] <crocco> Pizbit, the prob is i got this from ubuntu forums
[02:03] <Pizbit> crocco: Second one showed up 0.17 for me
[02:04] <crocco> WHOA
[02:04] <crocco> sure ?
[02:04] <crocco> cool
[02:04] <Roey> mjt:  0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
[02:04] <mdke> anyone?
[02:05] <Pizbit> crocco: Yeah, this one has e17 deb http://luddite.atticauthor.info/debian/ unstable/
[02:05] <mjt> Roey: are you actually reading what I "said"?  the second part of it?
[02:05] <crocco> Pizbit,  hmmz ... damn .. euuh what do you have in your /etc/apt/preferences
[02:06] <Roey> mjt:  mkinitrd will figure them out by its own. ditto for sd_mod.
[02:06] <Pizbit> crocco: I don't even have one of those:)
[02:06] <Roey> mjt:   lspci to find the slot number, and check the link at /sys/bus/pci/devices/<number>/driver
[02:06] <Roey> mjt:  am doing that
[02:06] <crocco> Pizbit, hmmz . me neither .. but i can't see it yet WTF
[02:06] <mjt> Roey: yeah, the /sys/.. stuff
[02:06] <Pizbit> You did apt-get udate right?:)
[02:06] <Pizbit> er, update heh
[02:07] <mjt> Roey: /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:0f.0/driver - it's a symlink, where it points to?
[02:07] <crocco> yeah .. it just keep getting ignored
[02:07] <crocco> WTF
[02:07] <Roey> mjt:  aaaah, I was trying to cat it.  Here: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    0 Mar 28 00:06 0000:00:0f.0 -> ../../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0f.0
[02:07] <Roey> --w-------  1 root root 4096 Mar 28 00:06 new_id
[02:07] <black_nightmare> someone seriously tell me.. ubuntu has fdisk doesn't it??
[02:07] <mdke> black_nightmare, yes
[02:07] <black_nightmare> lol interesting
[02:07] <mjt> Roey: please remove the trailing / and repeat ;)
[02:07] <HappyPills> and cfdisk
[02:07] <Chipzz> crocco: you sure the package is called enlightenment in the ohter repo?
[02:08] <black_nightmare> I'm scrolling through all commands now here [double tab at terminal prompt that is]  :p
[02:08] <black_nightmare> cfdisk? whats that
[02:08] <crocco> Chipzz, affirmative
[02:08] <bogus-> cfdisk is some more userfriendly than fdisk
[02:08] <HappyPills> a semi graphical version of fdisk
[02:08] <Roey> mjt:   lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 0 Mar 28 00:05 /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:0f.0/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/sata_via
[02:08] <HappyPills> yep
[02:08] <HappyPills> that's the one
[02:08] <Roey> mjt: hmm, so I was wrong, it was via :)
[02:08] <Pizbit> black_nightmare: I see, hrm, 11 entries using tab completion for fsck.
[02:08] <Roey> mjt: sata_via
[02:08] <mdke> Pizbit, he said fdisk
[02:08] <Pizbit> Damn, I typoed and didn't notice >.<
[02:08] <mdke> but that's there too
[02:09] <mjt> Roey: here you go. load your sata_via module
[02:09] <Pizbit> But yeah, fdisk is there
[02:09] <crocco> do i have to add it or something
[02:09] <Roey> mjt: ok, cool.  I added that to /etc/mkinitrd/modules.
[02:09] <crocco> to a trusted server or something ?
[02:09] <Roey> mjt: now I need to make a new rdinit.img, right?
[02:10] <catrlr> hehe... UNIX Security.... lol
[02:10] <catrlr> what an oxymoron
[02:10] <crocco> cause come on .. i have been working with debian for years this ia a first
[02:10] <mjt> Roey: btw, is there such a module with your kernel your're trying to boot?
[02:10] <Roey> mjt:  ./lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_via.ko
[02:10] <Roey> mjt: found it here under the rdinit mount
[02:11] <black_nightmare> hmm don't see (or must have missed the unobvious name) any command for isa probe....oh well........bleah
[02:11] <derek> what is recommended way to burn cd's on ubuntu?
[02:11] <mjt> catrlr: you just said you don't understand what is "security" at all
[02:11] <Roey> mjt: but that's odd.... the kanotix kernel that I have loaded here (livecd) doesn't show it listed with lsmod... maybe it is compiled in-kernel for kanotix.
[02:11] <derek> nautilus cd tool is akward and k3b installs but no candidate for cdrdao
[02:11] <spiraloid> derek, using nautilus.. there's a wiki article about it on the ubuntu site, one sec.
[02:11] <derek> spiraloid, that was my fear.. that interface blows goats...
[02:11] <Pizbit> derek: gnomebaker?
[02:12] <Roey> Pizbit: what is that, like some sort of evil Gargamel?
[02:12] <Roey> Pizbit: "gnome baker"???
[02:12] <Pizbit> No, gnomebaker
[02:12] <catrlr> i was joking
[02:12] <Roey> evil wizard who bakes gnomes in his dungeon.  Gargamel.
[02:12] <derek> no gnomebaker (at least on hoary)
[02:12] <catrlr> hey... is there a windows emulator for Ubuntu?
[02:12] <derek> k3b installs but it relies on cdrdao which has no package
[02:12] <spiraloid> haha there's a few.. just goto the ubuntu site and type in 'cd burning' in the searhc :)
[02:12] <kakalto> what's the command to change resolution?
[02:13] <Pizbit> derek: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=4
[02:13] <Roey> mjt: so now we create the new rdinit.img, right?
[02:13] <derek> how k3b installs without a dependency i suppose is a matter of bugs needing filed against it
[02:13] <black_nightmare> catrlr...well its not quite all on synaptic but I believe you can get qemu
[02:13] <spiraloid> what about NeroLinux? *ducks*
[02:13] <Pizbit> derek: Possibly you don't have universe and whatnot in your sources.list?
[02:13] <mjt> Roey: just try it eh? ;)
[02:13] <derek> Pizbit, QUITE possible
[02:13] <black_nightmare> any of you know a bit about recent tv's?
[02:13] <derek> if there is a way to EXPAND my universe i would love it
[02:14] <Roey> mjt: can you show me how to use mkrdinit?  I've tried before but it didn't work.
[02:14] <derek> being a long time debian user.. i love everything about ubuntu except the apparent lack of software
[02:14] <kakalto> how can I change my screen resolution under xfce
[02:14] <kakalto> ?
[02:14] <catrlr> black_nightmare: how's it work?
[02:14] <derek> i was thinking i might be missing a few sources.list lines
[02:14] <black_nightmare> derek...even in the universal repositiories?
[02:14] <Pizbit> derek: You need to add universe to the sources.list
[02:14] <catrlr> seemingly there are docs for something called wine
[02:14] <Roey> mjt: btw this will explain why I can't get anything to load... it's because the _hardware_ driver had to be loaded first, before mdadm or the filesystem drivers or anything
[02:14] <Roey> else
[02:14] <black_nightmare> catrlr..dunno..only read about it yet
[02:14] <catrlr> but no app for it
[02:14] <Pizbit> derek: Have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:14] <black_nightmare> and wine is only to emulate windows runtime files actually btw...its not even a windows emulator at all
[02:14] <mjt> Roey: i think i said just that at the beginning.. no?
[02:14] <black_nightmare> eg you could run windows solatire right on linux with winex (no emulating at all)
[02:15] <black_nightmare> understood catrlr?
[02:15] <gratuit> does anyone know what the name of the app that asks for the root password when you select an administration task from the menu is?
[02:15] <mjt> Roey: mkinitrd kernel-version (as shown in /lib/modules/<...>) - that's how to makd initrd
[02:15] <derek> crikey it wsa freaking in the sources.list file as a comment
[02:15] <mjr> gratuit, gksudo
[02:15] <Pizbit> gratuit: gksudo
[02:16] <mjr> gratuit, umm, I assumed you meant the sudoer's password
 Roey: mkinitrd kernel-version (as shown in /lib/modules/<...>) - that's how to makd initrd
[02:16] <Roey> ok
[02:16] <Roey> ah
[02:16] <mjr> gratuit, anyway, gksu asks for root
[02:16] <spiraloid> there's also this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view
[02:16] <Roey> mjt: (was searching for it, heh)
[02:17] <Roey> mjt:  'mkinitrd 2.6.10'  gives the help page.  Something is still missing.  -o outfile?
[02:18] <mjt> Roey: looks like, yes.  The output should go to /boot/something
[02:18] <derek> what is the default for ubuntu sound? alsa, esd, arts ....
[02:18] <Roey> mjt:  mkinitrd  -o rdinit.img-2.6.10 2.6.10
[02:18] <randabis> mkinitrd -o 2.6.10 initrd-2.6.10 I believe
[02:18] <mjr> derek, alsa with esd running on top in gnome
[02:18] <randabis> errr
[02:18] <Roey> mjt: dah!where's its output!!!
[02:18] <mjt> randabis: you got it backwards
[02:18] <randabis> mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.10 2.6.10
[02:19] <mjt> Roey: where your previous initrd was -- /boot/something-with-2.6.10-in-name - use that same name
[02:20] <mjt> randabis: i thought debian uses slightly different names for initrds.  like initimg.. but i don't remember.
[02:21] <Roey> mjt: ok
[02:21] <Roey> mjt: the previous initrd.img-2.6.10  and the current one both have the same file size: 4173824
[02:22] <Roey> mjt: I'm stupid.
[02:22] <Roey> mjt: I need to umount the initrd.
[02:22] <randabis> mjt, technically it doesn't matter
[02:22] <mjt> randabis: technically yes, but it's better to let the usual tools to deal with the names they expect
[02:23] <mjt> Roey: having it mounted does not matter, really
[02:23] <Roey> ok.
[02:23] <Roey> well then, they still do have same file size.
[02:23] <Roey> mjt: should I mount the image to make sure it is in 'modules' ?
[02:23] <Roey> mjt:  that is, in 'loadmodules' ?
[02:23] <mjt> Roey: why not, after all? ;)
[02:23] <randabis> mjt, as far as I can tell, the default ubuntu initrds are named initrd.img-kernelversion
[02:24] <Roey> mjt:  modprobe -k  sata_via is the first line there.
[02:24] <eyequeue> derek:  https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:24] <mjt> Roey: btw, are you sure you compared with your *old* image and not with whatever you just did experimenting with mkinitrd?
[02:24] <Zedtech> can I get some serious help here? :-)
[02:24] <Zedtech> I mean major
[02:24] <Roey> mjt: er
[02:24] <Roey> mjt: yeah
[02:25] <Roey> mjt: the filesizes were the same but in my stupidity i just overwrote the old initrd.
[02:25] <Roey> mjt: with the new one.
[02:25] <mjt> Roey: well, cramfs aligns the blocks
[02:25] <Roey> oh, ok.
[02:25] <mjt> s/aligns/pads/
[02:25] <Roey> mjt: shall I reboot now
[02:25] <Zedtech> Where can I configure the mouse in Ubuntu?
[02:25] <Zedtech> The thing isnt supporting my mouse properly and totally flaking out
[02:25] <black_nightmare> zedtech .....
[02:25] <Zedtech> I move the mouse and it just sporadically moves/clicks/opens things
[02:25] <black_nightmare> system>preferences>mouse
[02:25] <derek> eyequeue, interesting... might need that link to get mono development environment working
[02:25] <black_nightmare> thats all I know
[02:25] <Roey> Is this channel hopefully logged to somewhere?
[02:25] <Zedtech> black_nightmare: how can I get there just via the keyboard?
[02:25] <black_nightmare> no idea roey
[02:25] <Roey> darned xchat lost the top few pages.
[02:25] <mjt> Roey: 4173824 bytes is 8152 512-byte blocks
[02:26] <derek> getting the universe working solved 98% of my frustrations in about 10 seconds
[02:26] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  System > Preferences > Mouse perhaps?
[02:26] <Roey> mjt: :)
[02:26] <Roey> mjt: ok, I will reboot now.
[02:26] <black_nightmare> zedtech...oh IC!!!!! no idea sorry :-|
[02:26] <Roey> hopefully it will work
[02:26] <mjt> Roey: you adding one line didn't increase the size past one block
[02:26] <eyequeue> derek:  see also ubuntuguide
[02:26] <Zedtech> eyequeue: I have no mouse man. Every time I Move it clicks around 1000 times a second or so. If i move it, i get about 5000 new things, the menu bars get tossed around, and everything goes haywire.
[02:26] <Zedtech> eyequeue: I've tried wiring another mouse to the box, same problem.
[02:26] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  did i say to use the mouse to get there?
[02:26] <Zedtech> I just need to get to the mouse config, and see if I can do
[02:27] <Zedtech> well, how can i do it without a mouse? How can I load 'system' from a terminal?
[02:27] <Roey> mjt: so, I will reboot now, OK?
[02:27] <Zedtech> I mean, I got a terminal up (obviously) and managed to get irssi started
[02:27] <Zedtech> im afraid to move that mouse again
[02:27] <Dalkus> Zedtech, are you using a usb mouse?
[02:27] <Zedtech> yes and no
[02:27] <mjt> Roey: no, no, don't reboot please!  You will lose your warranty! ;-P
[02:27] <Roey> =)
[02:27] <Brunellus> hi there.  I'm running warty;  what repo do I have to add in order to upgrade from gthumb 2.4 to gthumb 2.6 ?
[02:27] <Zedtech> its a USB mouse with a PS2/Com converter on it
[02:27] <Dalkus> I used to have that problem in Mandrake, with my USB mouse it did it often, with my ps/2 it never did
[02:28] <Zedtech> and its over a KVM Switch :(
[02:28] <Zedtech> Eh
[02:28] <Dalkus> Have you a ps/2 mouse?
[02:28] <Zedtech> I have a ps/2 mouse
[02:28] <Zedtech> I tried using it
[02:28] <Dalkus> (without a converter)
[02:28] <Zedtech> same problem
[02:28] <Dalkus> hmm
[02:28] <Zedtech> I need to get to the mouse configuration and maybe I can fix it from there...
[02:28] <scottj> anyone had problems with dvd drives being insanely loud? I just got this thinkpad T40 and the drive is insane when it's reading
[02:29] <Zedtech> Tabbing and Alt+tabbing is no fun when you cant get anywhere
[02:29] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  can't you use the menus without a mouse?
[02:29] <Zedtech> I can try, what do i need to click on what menu? (all the menus are haywire due to mouse movements. I have a really really enlarged menu on the right side of the screen and have no idea what it does)
[02:29] <Dalkus> Zedtech, looking at the mouse config it dosn't seem that you can fix your problem in there
[02:29] <crocco> euuh guys .. it was my arch ..
[02:29] <Zedtech> Dalkus: then any suggestions?
[02:29] <crocco> i have amd64 and those repos are for i386
[02:29] <Zedtech> Dalkus: besides "go back to gentoo"?
[02:30] <John6000> hi
[02:30] <Dalkus> Zedtech, none that I can think of... But i have no experience in fixing this problem, i just changed mice and never looked into it... I was very new to linux back then
[02:30] <Dalkus> Try asking later, or perhaps in a debian channel?
[02:30] <crocco> Dalkus, what prob ?
[02:30] <John6000> i need aome kubuntu help
[02:30] <Dalkus> You've googled it no doubt?
[02:30] <John6000> i need some kubuntu help
[02:31] <Dalkus> cornholio,  Zedtech is having mouse problems
[02:31] <apokryphos> John6000: If it's KDE-specific, then #kubuntu is the place to be.
[02:31] <Zedtech> locked up
[02:31] <John6000> thanks
[02:31] <Zedtech> i moved the mouse and it killed all my consoles
[02:31] <John6000> its the kernel
[02:31] <Zedtech> :-x
[02:31] <Zedtech> it was fun
[02:31] <John6000> i just downloaded it testing it in vmware and
[02:31] <Dalkus> heh
[02:31] <Zedtech> it was "System Crash!"
[02:31] <Dalkus> Zedtech, you in gnome?
[02:31] <apokryphos> John6000: then you need general Ubuntu help. :)
[02:31] <Zedtech> Im in whatever the default windows environment for ubuntu is
[02:31] <John6000> RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize
[02:31] <Zedtech> I couldnt tell you, I havent been able to do much
[02:31] <Dalkus> Yeah, gnome
[02:32] <John6000> invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 
[02:32] <mjt> Zedtech: try rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare
[02:32] <Zedtech> lol
[02:32] <Zedtech> hold up
Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task!
[02:32] <scottj> HoaryBeagleRunningHowto says there's a beagle package in universe. Is that the case?
[02:32] <Zedtech> erm
[02:32] <Zedtech> Uh mjt I have a question
[02:33] <Zedtech> How can I access 'root' user in ubuntu? I thought it was disabled by default.
[02:33] <Zedtech> And I never looked into having it enabled.
[02:33] <mjt> sudo
[02:33] <Zedtech> hold
[02:33] <John6000> can some1 help pleaze
[02:33] <Dalkus> John6000, ask your question, dont ask to ask :)
[02:33] <Zedtech> wanna repeat that command mjt? I cant 'scroll up' to read it
[02:33] <John6000> ok
[02:33] <Dalkus> mjt Zedtech: try rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare
[02:33] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  sudo
[02:34] <Zedtech> sudo asks me for a bloody password
[02:34] <Brunellus> zedtech
[02:34] <Brunellus> sudo su
[02:34] <Brunellus> password is your user pass
[02:34] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  yes, your own, you logged in with it
[02:34] <black_nightmare> someone want to tell me what three icons looking like 'wrong way' road signs are doing left of the clock???
[02:34] <Zedtech> :-x
[02:34] <John6000> well i just downloaded kubantu and in vmware im testing it and it says<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task!
[02:34] <Dalkus> Zedtech, again?
[02:34] <Dreamer3> ok
[02:34] <John6000> b4 that it says
[02:34] <Zedtech> FATAL: Error inserting psmouse (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-386/kernel/drivers/input/psmouse.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:34] <John6000> RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize
[02:34] <Zedtech> Sorry; no copy and paste without a mouse.
[02:34] <Zedtech> That was the error
[02:34] <Dalkus> Zedtech, do it as sudo
[02:34] <John6000> and  invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 
[02:35] <Dreamer3> what package do i need to get dos2unix and friendS?
[02:35] <Zedtech> that was with sudo
[02:35] <mjt> Zedtech: sudo modprobe psmouse proto=bare
[02:35] <Zedtech> alright
[02:35] <Zedtech> that worked
[02:35] <Zedtech> now what?
[02:35] <Brunellus> question:  I'm running ndiswrapper
[02:35] <Brunellus> but I built it from the source tarball
[02:35] <Dalkus> John6000, thats a vmware problem, not ubuntu.. Have you tried asking in a vmware chan?
[02:35] <Zedtech> Mouse isnt spastic :_)
[02:35] <Zedtech> I think you saved me mjt
[02:35] <Brunellus> if I apt upgrade-dist
[02:35] <mjt> Zedtech: that's two commands (separated by ; ) both should be done as root
[02:35] <Brunellus> it will break, right?
[02:35] <Zedtech> I know thats two commands
[02:35] <mjt> Zedtech: does it work now?
[02:35] <Zedtech> im not exactly a linux newb
[02:36] <Zedtech> Yeah it worked
[02:36] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  is your mouse currently "dead"?
[02:36] <Dalkus> Zedtech, it works now?
[02:36] <John6000> invalid operand: 0000 [#1] 
[02:36] <mjt> Zedtech: i mean the mouse, not the command
[02:36] <Zedtech> eyequeue: actually my mouse "Works". I have a cursor and its not flaking out.
[02:36] <John6000> how do you`spell kubantu
[02:36] <Dalkus> Kubuntu :)
[02:36] <lunitik> kubuntu
[02:36] <John6000> thanks
[02:36] <John6000> its hards to spell
[02:36] <Brunellus> not terribly
[02:36] <Dalkus> its just Ubuntu with a K on the start :P
[02:36] <Brunellus> just ubuntu with a K
[02:36] <John6000> im joining #kubuntu you see
[02:37] <lunitik> 'to humanity'... rather than just 'humanity'
[02:37] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  if you need to "restart x" you can force it by restarting gnome as root, in a terminal it would be "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" (but your mouse is now working?  if so, don't)
[02:37] <mjt> Zedtech: so, does it work now?
[02:37] <Zedtech> mjt: actually it works.
[02:37] <Brunellus> no kidding.  "kubuntu" actually means something.
[02:37] <Dalkus> Zedtech, cool :)
[02:37] <Zedtech> eyequeue: it works, but shouldnt I restart X just to test anyways?
[02:37] <desrt> kubuntu - the ancient african word for "waste of resources"
[02:37] <mjt> Zedtech: so what's your problem when?
[02:37] <Zedtech> mjt: what problem?
[02:37] <Dalkus> Brunellus, Does it?
[02:37] <Zedtech> mjt: I have no problems now.
[02:37] <apokryphos> It means "towards humanity" in Bemba.
[02:37] <lunitik> Brunellus: yup... although I'm yet to figure out whether its coincidence, or if they actually looked into it  :P
[02:37] <Dalkus> Isn't the Kubuntu definition on their main page the same as Ubuntu?
[02:37] <apokryphos> was planned all along
[02:38] <Zedtech> eyequeue: should I restart X?
[02:38] <Brunellus> OK.  I'm runnign warty and mostly happy
[02:38] <mjt> Zedtech: er. you come here and said you have a prob with your mouse. Now you says you don't have any probs. what's up?
[02:38] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  well, if it's working, i'd recommend doing so *via* the mouse, a normal logout, and then you can type that sudo from a console (alt-ctrl-f1)
[02:38] <apokryphos> Dalkus: no
[02:38] <Brunellus> why should I upgrade to hoary?
[02:38] <lunitik> desrt: funny... gnome and kde use about the same amount of resources here... except kubuntu 'feels' faster ... ie, is more responsive, and less refresh...
[02:38] <mjt> Zedtech: no need to restart X if it's configured properly
[02:38] <desrt> lunitik; i mean, in terms of human resources
[02:38] <lunitik> desrt: but I really don't want to get into a discussion about that...
[02:38] <mjt> Zedtech: "properly" -- ie, it's using /dev/input/mice
[02:38] <Brunellus> lunitik:  gnome is nice.  kde is nice.  flux is fast.  :-)
[02:38] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  because you don't want to run stable, you want to test and report bugs in the next release to help it be better?
[02:38] <desrt> lunitik; coders, etc
[02:39] <Zedtech> mjt: well, you fixed my problem. The whole modprobe psmouse proto=bare fixed it
[02:39] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  ha.  so I gather hoary isn't as solid as warty has been?
[02:39] <lunitik> desrt: why? who's to say those people would be working on GNOME if KDE wasn't around? likely they wouldn't... else they'd be involved in GNOME already.
[02:39] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  it will not be until 6 april
[02:39] <Brunellus> I still haven't apt upgraded
[02:39] <Zedtech> mjt: the mouse was moving too fast, and was clicking automatic. Basically if I moved the mouse it would drag/click things and just totally go nuts (too fast/constant clicking when I moved it [and I wasnt clicking] )
[02:39] <Brunellus> so I've got like 85 possible upgrades marked
[02:39] <Zedtech> I'd end up with 60 or 70 appliactions running just from letting the mouse scroll across the screen once
[02:39] <lunitik> desrt: anything that can be utilized by both is colaborated on via fd.o
[02:40] <desrt> lunitik; everyone has their own opinions.  i mostly said that tongue in cheek.
[02:40] <mjt> Zedtech: i guess you'd better file a bugreport - to ubuntu or kernel - about your exact configuration.  The driver isn't detecting your mouse correctly
[02:40] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  at that point, the only cages are security changes, up until then anything can break majorly each day
[02:40] <mjt> Zedtech: but before that, try real ps2 mouse without all that switches/converters crap
[02:40] <Brunellus> OK. I can't afford major breakage...this is my only computer.
[02:40] <Zedtech> mjt: Eh, I think it could be the setup. Its a USB mouse with a PS/2 converter, hooked to a PS/2 based KVM Switch, which then runs from the KVM Switch to the PC.
[02:40] <eyequeue> Zedtech:  btw, are you on warty or hoary?
[02:40] <Zedtech> mjt: but hell, it works now.
[02:40] <Zedtech> mjt: warty
[02:40] <mjt> Zedtech: does not matter which distro really
[02:40] <apokryphos> Brunellus: Warty is a good distro, but very dated with regard to apps.
[02:40] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  if I apt upgrade-dist using the warty repos
[02:41] <Brunellus> will I break ndiswrapper?
[02:41] <Brunellus> (I built it from source)
[02:41] <lunitik> desrt: you should think about such comments... hackers do what they love... they could give a damn what is more popular... in KDE, the devels have more freedom to do what they want... the primary reason many are involved in it... that and Qt being accepted as easier to work with (if you know C++)
[02:41] <Artanis> hm my laptop display doesnt do real fullscreen in some games like ur-quan masters or when using mplayer fullscreen mode. instead of resizing the content it just fills the rest of the screen with black
[02:41] <mjr> Artanis, that can usually be configured from the laptop BIOS
[02:41] <desrt> lunitik; i think it's probably a good idea to not talk about this :)
[02:42] <catrlr> ok... i ordered 20 Ubuntu CDs almost 2 months ago, and they have not shown up yet
[02:42] <mjt> Zedtech: you can also try with proto=imps2 (should work for wheel mouse) and exps, in turn.  Currently it works in "dumbiest" mode.
[02:42] <catrlr> what is keeping the order?
[02:42] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  okay, rewind in time a bit ehre.  did you install warty from cd and now are upgrading changes based on the security repos?  or have you changes sources.list in some way?
[02:42] <eYeStRaIn> im having problems with my hotplug PCI, could anyone give me a like of the updated hotplgu PCI script
[02:42] <eYeStRaIn> hotplug*
[02:42] <Zedtech> mjt: let me hook up a standard ps2 mouse and see what we get out of it (now that this USB Laser mouse works)
[02:42] <lunitik> Artanis: in mplayer... that can be configured via /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ... it is well commented...
[02:42] <mjt> Zedtech: in order to fix that permanently you have to create, say, /etc/modprobe.d/local file and place a line 'options psmouse proto=the-proto-you-found-working' (w/o quotes) into it
[02:42] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  I have changed sources.list a little
[02:42] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  effectively, what i'm asking is *why* it wants to upgrade 85 packages
[02:42] <kentsusai> um... can u get mplayer for ubuntu?
[02:42] <black_nightmare> any of you know if ubuntu is easy to automatically do itself onto a different graphic card?
[02:42] <Brunellus> also, I installed from CD
[02:43] <Zedtech> mjt: the standard ps/2 mouse is "Dead"
[02:43] <Brunellus> and didn't upgrade ever since.
[02:43] <lunitik> kentsusai: yes... its in multiverse
[02:43] <black_nightmare> like sai I shut down and pull out the agp card then put a pci one (identical chipsets) in then boot up again?
[02:43] <mjt> Zedtech: you can't plug it into the running system - have to cold-reboot
[02:43] <Brunellus> I installed from CD, and when I did that, I had no 'net connection (b/c I needed to install/configure ndiswrapper)
[02:43] <kentsusai> lunitik: how do I get to multiverse?
[02:43] <Zedtech> mjt: wha? thats ludacris!
[02:43] <Zedtech> mjt: hah, you want me to go ahead and try that?
[02:43] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  if you have a good number of packages installed, it could be plausible that there would be 85 security etc changes
[02:43] <Brunellus> I installed and configured ndiswrapper using the source tarball from the ndiswrapper page
[02:44] <Brunellus> the last time I apt upgrade-dist, ndiswrapper broke, and I couldn't work out why
[02:44] <lunitik> kentsusai: add 'multiverse' to any of the lines stating 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[02:44] <Brunellus> so I had to wipe, reinstall, and rebuild ndiswrapper
[02:44] <black_nightmare> hm anyone?
[02:44] <mjt> Zedtech: as you wish. i gave you all pointers, it's up to you to do something with all the info
[02:44] <kentsusai> lunitik: sweet thanks!
[02:44] <Brunellus> everybody else's advice was based on the fact that I'd have net access...which I can't have without ndiswrapper
[02:44] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  let's ask it this way, those sources.list canges you made, do any involve the word hoary or the word unstable?
[02:44] <Zedtech> mjt: well, it works; why I need to try anything else is up to whether how curious im feeling towards playing with ubuntu.
[02:44] <catrlr> you know.... apple should make it nice and easy to port windows apps over to OS X
[02:44] <Zedtech> mjt: I will submit a bug report however.
[02:44] <Brunellus> no hoary, but an unstable, I think.  lemme check sources.list
[02:45] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  grep unstable /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:45] <black_nightmare> the agp card is ati rage pro [vga only]  and I want figure replacing it with a pci ati rage pro [identical except it adds tv/out] 
[02:45] <mjt> Zedtech: for a bugreport to be useful, you'd better ensure it's not your converters and KVM who's crappy ;)
[02:45] <Brunellus> got it
[02:45] <Brunellus> yes I have unstables in there
[02:45] <Brunellus> one from cerkinfo.be
[02:45] <Brunellus> which I got off the restricted-formats wikipage
[02:45] <Brunellus> and another for ur-quan masters (a game)
[02:45] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  okay, no clue what that is ... is it an ubuntu mirror?
[02:45] <mjt> Zedtech: filing useless bugreports is pretty like spaming. just some garbage to hide real problems under... ;)
[02:46] <lunitik> eyequeue: yes... its for lame codecs iir
[02:46] <Brunellus> it's on the ubuntu restricted-formats wiki
[02:46] <Artanis> lunitik, thx that works in mplayer
[02:46] <Brunellus> that's right.
[02:46] <Zedtech> mjt: eh, its never happened with any other linux distros (same setup)
[02:46] <Brunellus> and the other one is uqm.debian.net
[02:46] <Zedtech> mjt: and it never happened with Debian (ubuntu is based of debian isnt it?)
[02:46] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  comment out all the unstables, you will not cause anything to be removed from your system by doing so, you just can't isntall new things from those repos while commented out
[02:46] <lunitik> Brunellus: if you don't intend on encoding to mp3... don't bother with that ... its a crap site.
[02:46] <sabmoc> Any Canadians here today?
[02:46] <Brunellus> crap?
[02:46] <Brunellus> lunitik:  what's so crap about it, curiously?
[02:46] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  then, run "sudo aptget update" and then see how many pacakges it wants to upgrade
[02:47] <lunitik> Brunellus: its slow.
[02:47] <Brunellus> mm.
[02:47] <mjt> Zedtech: i don't think ubuntu has real mods for the psmouse module and stuff around it.
[02:47] <amundsen> hi
[02:47] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  basically, those that are left are safe (and wise) to upgrade
[02:47] <amundsen> hi
[02:47] <sabmoc> hi amundsen
[02:47] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  after doing that, you can uncomment the unstable lines if you like, and rerun sudo apt-get update, to re-enable those changes
[02:47] <squigly> hello ubunto
[02:48] <kentsusai> where do you report bugs?
[02:48] <lunitik> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:48] <Brunellus> h'mm
[02:48] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  "update" basically says "make my sources.list changes active"
[02:48] <amundsen> when you insytall ubuntu linux, do you have the possibility of choosing which packages you'd like tyo install ?
[02:48] <kentsusai> thanks again lunitik :-)
[02:48] <Zedtech> amundsen: I dont believe you do. I remember just hitting next like three times and walking away.
[02:48] <lunitik> kentsusai: if you go to Applications > System Tools > Bug Report Tool ... it actually fires up Firefox, and takes you there though  :)
[02:49] <John6000> HELP NEEDED
[02:49] <John6000> PLEASE
[02:49] <eyequeue> amundsen:  yes, typically you would use something called "synaptic" to do so (though there's many alternatives if you like)
[02:49] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:49] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:49] <black_nightmare> hey sabmoc I am...which province you from? :p
[02:49] <John6000> see?
[02:49] <lunitik> John6000: turn caps off
[02:49] <Zedtech> :(
[02:49] <John6000> ok
[02:49] <John6000> oh
[02:49] <John6000> on bootup?
[02:49] <John6000> no its off
[02:49] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, Im in BC
[02:49] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:49] <squigly> is there web bases access to the ubunto package repository?
[02:49] <John6000> help please
[02:49] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:49] <black_nightmare> sabmoc..you're *once again* on other side of canada from me lol
[02:49] <Vjaz> John6000: stop repeating
[02:49] <John6000> sorry
[02:50] <black_nightmare> jeeze..I meet so many BC people but barely any easterner people.... WHY??????
[02:50] <black_nightmare> lol
[02:50] <John6000> i need to advertise that URL
[02:50] <maxchee> does anyone here have any experience with qemu?
[02:50] <John6000> yes
[02:50] <catrlr> compiling source can sure take a long time
[02:50] <lunitik> John6000: you really don't though!
[02:50] <Zedtech> catrlr: you aint lying
[02:50] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, hehe, you going to laugh but there are more eastern ubuntu users than western
[02:50] <eyequeue> John6000:  you have virtually guaranteed i will not help you by repeating and being obnoxious.  consider that before you alienate everyone else as well
[02:50] <John6000> it was crap so i got vmware it was onoffer for 200
[02:50] <catrlr> Zedtech: yea it's easter
[02:50] <Zedtech> anyways, now since I have a mouse pointer, Ill be right back (time to load XChat!)
[02:50] <catrlr> i dnt lie on easter
[02:50] <catrlr> jesus is watching
[02:50] <black_nightmare> sabmoc..oh...seriously?? ok ... WHO LIVES IN EAST CANADA REPORT PLEASE!!! ... hahahaha just some humor
[02:50] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:50] <Zedtech> Be right Back
[02:50] <jas_MHz> on ./configure my "C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" -- why ??
[02:51] <John6000> i knowo
[02:51] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, check this out https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
[02:51] <maxchee> John6000: are you trying to complile the cvs version?
[02:51] <John6000> del c++ and get VB
[02:51] <John6000> no
[02:51] <lunitik> John6000: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:51] <black_nightmare> lol ok sabmoc :p
[02:51] <catrlr> cuz it's not sane jas_MHz
[02:51] <John6000> its just i dowloaded the ready made installer iso
[02:51] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  are you okay there?
[02:51] <lunitik> John6000: read that, and come back showing you learned something from it... thanks
[02:52] <maxchee> John6000: how slow is it? (?x slowdown)
[02:52] <eruin> anyone got metisse?
[02:52] <John6000> ?
[02:52] <catrlr> jas_MHz: type 'emac' in the terminal window, and then hit esc then type x (you may not see anything at first) then type in 'doctor'
[02:52] <John6000> oh yeah qemu is slow
[02:52] <catrlr> and state the problem there
[02:52] <John6000> get the accelorator addon for it
[02:52] <mjt> catrlr: s/emac/emacs/
[02:52] <eyequeue> catrlr:  s/emac/emacs/ ;)
[02:52] <catrlr> John6000 is qemu a virtual machine
[02:52] <maxchee> John6000: by what factor does it slow the OS down?
[02:52] <catrlr> yea emacs
[02:52] <catrlr> what ever
[02:52] <eyequeue> or what mjt said, lol
[02:52] <John6000> yeas
[02:52] <John6000> like vmware
[02:53] <catrlr> is it a virtual machine
[02:53] <John6000> yes
[02:53] <John6000> like vmware
[02:53] <maxchee> John6000: especially with the use of kqemu
[02:53] <sabmoc> emacs rocks
[02:53] <catrlr> well that would explain the slowness
[02:53] <John6000> mmmmmmmmmmm ... . . .emaces ....mmmmmmmm
[02:53] <maxchee> sabmoc: there might be vi fans out there...
[02:53] <catrlr> it tends to have performance issues
[02:53] <John6000> whats emacs?
[02:53] <mjt> John6000: so you're havng probs when trying to boot it under qemu/wmvare/whatever?
[02:53] <catrlr> John6000 type it
[02:53] <catrlr> it's an editor
[02:53] <AnJellyCue> lol John6000
[02:53] <catrlr> like pico
[02:53] <eyequeue> text editor ( + kitchen sink )
[02:54] <jas_MHz> I don't have emacs installed I'm more of a vi guy -- but seriously how can I fix my configure -- or where to look for next step ??
[02:54] <John6000> pl
[02:54] <Brunellus> eyequeue: sorry had to run off and attend to stuff
[02:54] <eyequeue> s/pico/nano/ please
[02:54] <maxchee> catrlr: emacs <> pico
[02:54] <NeoCicak> hello
[02:54] <AnJellyCue> i just use mightnight commander,   simple to use
[02:54] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  just dind't want to leave you hanging
[02:54] <catrlr> jas_MHz install emacs
[02:54] <maxchee> catrlr: it is far more featureful
[02:54] <sabmoc> I like nano, or emacs
[02:54] <NeoCicak> has anyone ever installed beagle in ubuntu?
[02:54] <catrlr> well yea,
[02:54] <sabmoc> you can keep the rest
[02:54] <Brunellus> my main issue upgrading is whether or not it will break ndiswrapper
[02:54] <catrlr> but still
[02:54] <John6000> :(
[02:54] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:54] <John6000> :(
[02:54] <Brunellus> which I didn't install via apt/dpkg
[02:54] <eyequeue> pico == non-free and kind of offends my sensibilities in this channel :)
[02:54] <catrlr> they basically do the same thing
[02:54] <mjt> "Ok, now we have emacs.  How about writing a text editor?"
[02:54] <maxchee> now, have anyone in this chatroom tried qemu with the accelerator module?
[02:54] <sabmoc> actually, abiword, nano, or emacs
[02:54] <John6000> yea
[02:54] <lunitik> Brunellus: if you don't upgrade kernel... you shouldn't see anything strange...
[02:54] <katz> mjt: hi
[02:55] <katz> mjt: it booted!
[02:55] <mjt> abiword is NOT A TEXT EDITOR!
[02:55] <maxchee> John6000: how does it compare with the real thing?
[02:55] <sabmoc> woOt!
[02:55] <John6000> you need linux V of qemu to use accerlotor
[02:55] <jas_MHz> why will emacs help me fix my ./ cpp sanity problem ??
[02:55] <Brunellus> will an apt upgrade-dist touch my kernel at all?
[02:55] <sabmoc> mjr, its a word processor
[02:55] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:55] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:55] <BigIslandVegan> anybody know about evolution for linux?
[02:55] <John6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:55] <John6000> yea
[02:55] <AnJellyCue> Brunellus.  shouldnt
[02:55] <maxchee> John6000: I am using linux and running qemu with kqemu trying to install win2k
[02:55] <catrlr> ok... i want someone to develope the best virtual machine for Linux that emualtes windows, with minimum speed decrease
[02:55] <Vjaz> somebody kickban John6000
[02:55] <catrlr> that would be sexy
[02:55] <linus_trovalus> ?
[02:55] <sabmoc> man its like total chaos in here
[02:55] <katz> mjt: and immediately it told me that there's an inconsistency on /dev/md0 and it gave me a login prompt for maintenance.  WHat was the command again?
[02:55] <linus_trovalus> why
[02:55] <lunitik> maxchee: any virtualized environment is going to suffer because the host OS is still demanding resources...
[02:55] <eyequeue> sabmoc:  i know abiword is typicaly a frontend to latex and the like, but does it also have some save-as-text mode or something?
[02:56] <linus_trovalus> okey dokey
[02:56] <catrlr> i want to play Steam
[02:56] <catrlr> and what not
[02:56] <Brunellus> ok.
[02:56] <BigIslandVegan> how do you specify a server port in evolution?
[02:56] <catrlr> counterstrike
[02:56] <maxchee> lunitik: I expect slow down. I just need to know how much
[02:56] <john6000> ahh
[02:56] <mjt> katz: which inconsistency?
[02:56] <sabmoc> eyequeue, I think you have abiword mixed up with something else
[02:56] <Brunellus> so an apt upgrade-dist shouldn't touch my kernel, right?
[02:56] <Uscfan> hey everyon i just insalled hoary and i am running inti quite a few problems
[02:56] <mjt> katz: in the filesystem, or in the raid array?
[02:56] <Zedtech> mjt, does unbuntu come with mount support for NTFS drives?
[02:57] <Uscfan> first of all, i cannnot run any programs at all, i cannot do sudo passwd root, and a ton of other crap
[02:57] <AnJellyCue> Brunellus.  It shouldnt touch the kernal :)
[02:57] <Uscfan> first of all, i cannnot run any programs at all, i cannot do sudo passwd root, and a ton of other crap
[02:57] <Roey> mjt: at the "enter root password for maintenance" prompt
[02:57] <mjt> katz: btw, in order to boot you don't need md0 (/boot), you only need md1 (your root fs)
[02:57] <lunitik> maxchee: via qemu? its rather slow... enless you have a very new computer... it is next to unusable... AMD Athlon 2400 640 RAM here... and it was annoyingly slow.
[02:57] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  you mean "dist-upgrade" and it will only effect packages that are the same name as you have isntalled, basically .... meaning, if you have "kernel2.4.2' it would never install 'kernel2.8.45' (which doesn't exist, but you get the idea)
[02:57] <kpeterson> can anyone assist me in setting up vsftpd? I have followed several online guides/tutorials, but have not been successful.
[02:57] <Roey> mjt: you gave command to --scan and rebuild some array
[02:57] <mjt> Roey: aha, so it actually mounted your root!
[02:57] <Roey> mjt: YES! it worked!
[02:57] <maxchee> lunitik: with the accelerator module?
[02:58] <maxchee> lunitik: ie. cvs version?
[02:58] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  but IF there is an upgrade to a pacakge named the same as your isntalled kernel, that upgrade would be installed
[02:58] <mjt> Zedtech: no idea re ntfs.
[02:58] <Roey> mjt: of course I was using the wrong kernel and all (not the kosher ubuntu one but my own custom one) but still
[02:58] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, did you check out the CanadianUsers section? its 4 to 6 west vs east :)
[02:58] <Uscfan> first of all, i cannnot run any programs at all, i cannot do sudo passwd root, and a ton of other crap Pasword: postdrop:warning unable to lookup public/pickup: No such file or directory"
[02:58] <Roey> mjt: all kernels were messed up.
[02:58] <black_nightmare> sabmoc..yeah yeah I noticed :p
[02:58] <Uscfan> i get errors alot
[02:58] <john6000> /me ubuntu
[02:58] <Uscfan> anyone know what to do???
[02:58] <lunitik> maxchee: was the Debian version... about 4 months ago  :/
[02:58] <Zedtech> mjt, All I need is read-only access to an NTFS drive (most of them can do that..) I'll try it out
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  btw, "dist-"upgrade is less safe than a straight "upgrade" in that regard
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <mjt> Zedtech: kernel have support for ntfs
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Roey> mjt: I apt-got reinstalled kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, and it rebuilt the initrd.img for that kernel as well (and I mounted it and I saw that loadmodules does specify via_sata)
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Zedtech> mjt, I'm running a apt-get dist-upgrade (should be done)
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  it's marking linux-headers for upgrade
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Uscfan> john stop spamming or you will prolly get kicked
[02:58] <lunitik> Uscfan: let us see the error... paste here: pastebin.com
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Roey> arg
[02:58] <Zedtech> I'll let you know in a few
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Roey> make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:58] <eyequeue> COULD WE HAVE AN OP PLEASE?
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <Brunellus> kickban time.
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <john6000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=107540#post107540
[02:58] <maxchee> lunitik: that's probably a 5x slow down...
[02:58] <Zedtech> mjt, I plan to reboot and find my music
[02:59] <Roey> mjt: what was the command?
[02:59] <Brunellus> whew.
[02:59] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, basically we're going to offer a less intimidating support group for users, tie into the canadian lug scene, try to promote ubuntu in canada, have a users-only planet style blog (should be a lot of fun).
[02:59] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  beward of that "dist-" it will make radical changes
[02:59] <Roey> mjt: (I saved the log of the channel but your first few posts escaped it)
[02:59] <catrlr> i need a three button mouse
[02:59] <black_nightmare> sabmoc hehe :-)
[02:59] <catrlr> that would be nice
[03:00] <Brunellus> OK.  a regular upgrade still marks the kernel headers for upgrade
[03:00] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  btw, may i make a suggestion for you?
[03:00] <Wildthing> mmm anyone see that autopackage thing on slashdot?
[03:00] <Brunellus> go on eyequeue
[03:00] <Roey> mjt: I will BRB.  Rebooting now into the correct ubuntu kernel.
[03:01] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  what is the exact name of the "critical" package you want to be careful about?  "ndiswrapper"?
[03:01] <mjt> Zedtech: ntfs support is in kernel. dunno if ubuntu kernel turns that option on, you can see that in modules dir (ntfs.ko or something)
[03:01] <Brunellus> yes.  it's not a package.
[03:01] <Brunellus> well
[03:01] <Zedtech> mjt, it has it but I cant seem to locate "hdd" on my machine.
[03:01] <Brunellus> I built it from the source. I didn't use a .deb
[03:01] <Brunellus> therefore, apt doesn't touch/know about it.
[03:01] <Zedtech> mjt, its been awhile since i've ran linux :( I'm trying to remember all this fun stuff (such as a device listing, or hard-drive listing)
[03:01] <Uscfan> http://www.pastebin.com/263532
[03:01] <lunitik> Brunellus: you didn't even fetch it via ndiswrapper-source .deb?
[03:02] <Uscfan> its a php debugger???
[03:02] <Uscfan> lol
[03:02] <Uscfan> http://www.pastebin.com/263532
[03:02] <Uscfan> http://www.pastebin.com/263532
[03:02] <Uscfan> there you are
[03:02] <Brunellus> lunitik:  no.  I had NO net access
[03:02] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  i'm going to recommend "sudo apt-get install dpkg-repack" and then you can run that to make a "safe" copy of that in your /root directoryt, that you can re-install IF somehow you manage to lose net connectivity (and i'll tell you how to do both)
[03:02] <lunitik> Uscfan: don't repeat
[03:02] <Brunellus> I had a tar which I had on my usb flashdrive, and I built it from that.
[03:02] <NeoCicak> hallo?
[03:02] <Uscfan> lunitik: k
[03:02] <NeoCicak> anyone? has ever installed beagle in ubuntu?
[03:02] <lunitik> Uscfan: you need to restart... boot to rescue mode, and add yourself to /etc/sudoers
[03:02] <sabmoc> NeoCicak, lots of people have
[03:02] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  I don't follow you.
[03:02] <sabmoc> NeoCicak, have you seen the guide?
[03:03] <moominski> ahh i finally find some ubunto user hello al
[03:03] <NeoCicak> sabmoc: whereabout?
[03:03] <Uscfan> lunitik: so waht is that oproblem though? thjat happened in the install as well
[03:03] <lunitik> Uscfan: just follow the same format as is in there already, replacing 'root' with your current user...
[03:03] <BigIslandVegan> Is there some way to specify pop and imap server ports in Evolution?  I don't see it
[03:03] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  sudo dpkg-repack foo (whatever the pacakge basename) and you have foo_1.23.deb, and later you can "sudo dpkg -i foo_1.223.deb"
[03:03] <sabmoc> NeoCicak, on the wiki, do a search for beagle
[03:03] <NeoCicak> sabmoc: ok.. thx!
[03:03] <Uscfan> ok i will give it a worl
[03:03] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  once again, i did NOT use a .deb
[03:03] <sabmoc> NeoCicak, make sure you use the right guide, there is one for hoary and one for warty
[03:03] <lunitik> Uscfan: default user wasn't added to /etc/sudoers
[03:03] <Uscfan> ok
[03:03] <NeoCicak> sabmoc: thx!
[03:03] <black_nightmare> sorry if I'm spamming again to anyone who was here before but..... any idea on directly swapping an agp card for identical pci one?  both being identical chipsets
[03:04] <sabmoc> NeoCicak, :)
[03:04] <black_nightmare> I'll shut up now
[03:04] <black_nightmare> :p
[03:04] <Uscfan> and so after ading myself to the sudoers i will be able to change root password and this might go away???
[03:04] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  if yo';re afraid it will overwrite pacakge foo ... useful safety measure, but only if you have dpkg-repack isntalled ........ looks like it's of no use to yu here, sorry
[03:04] <Wildthing> anyone try out autopackage?
[03:04] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  i don't look at the screen as i type, sorry
[03:04] <Brunellus> what I can't work out for the life of me is why ndiswrapper isn't included in the distro in the first place
[03:04] <lunitik> Uscfan: thats the first issue...
[03:05] <Uscfan> lunitik: ok any ideas on the others CRAP i just booted regular, one sec
[03:05] <bitar> hey all...
[03:05] <lunitik> Uscfan: also... are you trying to use a network login?
[03:05] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  i don't use it, but ... let me see if i can help you anyway?
[03:05] <maxchee> what is the purpose of /usr/local ?
[03:05] <Brunellus> all of this unpleasantness might have been avoided if I could have just used an available ndiswrapper.deb on the CD.
[03:05] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  fine.
[03:05] <Uscfan> lunitik: no just dhcp over wireles, its a broadcom card onboard
[03:05] <bitar> i'm currently downloading : ubuntu/iso/4.10/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[03:05] <jas_MHz> Zedtech : try $ cat /proc/pci  - $ ls /proc - for list of others things to cat - and $ fdisk -l
[03:06] <bitar> is it bootable?
[03:06] <lunitik> maxchee: /usr/local is for software that local users will administer...
[03:06] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  you said you built it from scratch.  and you're now (understandably) wary of overwriting it on an upgrade
[03:06] <Zedtech> jas_MHz, thx :-) but I got it
[03:06] <lunitik> maxchee: usually used for things you compile yourself
[03:06] <Uscfan> its a darn good thing i have more than one comp
[03:06] <catrlr> :-\... i found my old microsoft wireless mouse.... but seemingly i cnt find the receiver
[03:06] <Brunellus> eyequeue: correct
[03:06] <black_nightmare> lol uscfan..I'm kinda wishing for that right now ... blah
[03:06] <Brunellus> from what I understand, I had to build ndiswrapper against the kernel headers
[03:06] <moominski> can any1 help get xmms workin??
[03:06] <Brunellus> if the kernel-headers change, it breaks ndiswrapper.  I know this from experience.
[03:06] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  IF you inadvertantly manage to break it, by overwriting or whatever, do you have all of the necessary items on your box now to recreate what you did to build it in the first place?
[03:07] <lunitik> moominski: nvidia drivers? or not playing mp3?
[03:07] <Uscfan> lunitik: ok i have etc/sudoers open and i should duplucate Root ALL=(ALL) ALL with my username instead?
[03:07] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  theoretically.  but the last time I tried, I couldn't
[03:07] <Zedtech> you know whats ticking me off right now? "mount: error while guessing filesystem type; mount: you must specifiy the filesystem type"
[03:07] <lunitik> Uscfan: yes
[03:07] <Zedtech> I specify ntfs and it tells me i'm wrong :(
[03:07] <Uscfan> it says warning, changing readonly file
[03:07] <Brunellus> I ended up just junking the whole damn thing, and reinstalling, and rebuilding the sucker from scratch *again*
[03:07] <Uscfan> do i ned to chmod it first????
[03:07] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  i'm not saying it's ideal, but i'm trying to prevent you from being completely screwed vs just majorly hassled
[03:07] <Tekmaven> hey guys
[03:07] <lunitik> Uscfan: you went in via rescue mode?
[03:07] <Tekmaven> anyone running amd64 with an ATI card?
[03:07] <Uscfan> lunitik: yes i did
[03:08] <lunitik> Uscfan: ie, ESC during boot... choose rescue...
[03:08] <black_nightmare> not me sorry tek.. running ati and i686 [and the hell pondering how to swap it] 
[03:08] <maxchee> lunitik: also, does it make any difference to compile software over root instead of sudo
[03:08] <lunitik> blah... ok... just ':wq!' when you're done.
[03:08] <moominski> lunitik: not playin mp3?
[03:08] <black_nightmare> amd64 is quite nice..just not my type and budget yet
[03:08] <Uscfan> lunitik: i selected rescue mode from the grub loader
[03:08] <Brunellus> eyequeue:  yeah, understood.
[03:08] <Brunellus> at the moment, I would *like* to upgrade.  security, etc
[03:08] <lunitik> moominski: what is your issue with xmms?
[03:08] <Brunellus> but being off the net would make this computer a doorstop.
[03:08] <lunitik> moominski: those are the most common..
[03:09] <arbeck> when i try to use cdrecord, i get this error message: Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...
[03:09] <Brunellus> and loss of connectivity is a major hassle.
[03:09] <Zedtech> no fat support in the kernel?
[03:09] <Tekmaven> well, whenever i run xorg with the fglrx driver, the kernel panics
[03:09] <Tekmaven> :-(
[03:09] <Uscfan> no fat support?!
[03:09] <NeoCicak> what is meant by "indexed" filesystem? isn't it done by ext3 automatically? is it different from journalling filesystem?
[03:09] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  okay, approximately how many pacakges do you have pending upgrade after getting all the unstable commented out?
[03:09] <Uscfan> jesus that is ghetto
[03:09] <moominski> ok it wont start wen i select in aplications
[03:09] <maxchee> Zedtech: fat is supported
[03:09] <maxchee> Zedtech: use fat or vfat
[03:09] <Zedtech> -t vfat is all I can work with
[03:09] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  i can walk you through a workaround that's safe
[03:09] <Zedtech> -t fat doesntw ork
[03:09] <HarryBahls> speaking of AMD64, is it worth the move or stick with Intel (looking to upgrade my box)?
[03:09] <maxchee> Zedtech: vfat=fat32
[03:09] <Uscfan> lunitik: did you get that? I booted rescue mode from the grub loader
[03:09] <Zedtech> I know
[03:09] <Zedtech> I know
[03:09] <Roey> mjt:  hi
[03:09] <Zedtech> maxchee, I'm having more problems with my NTFS drives
[03:09] <Roey> mjt:  OK... er... I tried the following:
[03:10] <Tekmaven> HarryBahls: AMD64 > Intel ;-)
[03:10] <maxchee> Zedtech: captive ntfs?
[03:10] <black_nightmare> harry..I'll say amd64 -- seeing how the pentium's throttles back often
[03:10] <lunitik> Zedtech: vfat is FAT 32 ... its what Microsoft calls it.
[03:10] <Roey> mjt:  apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic ; reboot
[03:10] <Roey> mjt:  and when I selected this kernel I get:
[03:10] <Zedtech> maxchee, no idea. I just know its NTFS.
[03:10] <Zedtech> maxchee, Im retarded at fs types
[03:10] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  this is easiest if you ave a working mouse, or the ability to cut/paste some other way (such as screen(1) )
[03:10] <Brunellus> hang on a second.
[03:10] <Uscfan> lunitik: should i change the permisions of sudoers???
[03:10] <lunitik> Uscfan: NO!!
[03:10] <maxchee> Zedtech: install captive ntfs to add full ntfs support to linux
[03:10] <Brunellus> ugh.  eyequeue, never mind.
[03:11] <Uscfan> lunitik: lmao, the nwhat to do!?!? its ---r-----
[03:11] <Brunellus> I really can't be bothered to risk breaking the computer today
[03:11] <Uscfan> i mean, -r--r-----
[03:11] <Brunellus> maybe tomorrow.
[03:11] <Tekmaven> this really sucks too
[03:11] <Uscfan> r e a d   o n l y
[03:11] <maxchee> Zedtech: captive ntfs is a wrapper that allows you to use the ntfs "driver" from win2k on linux
[03:11] <lunitik> Uscfan: you trailed wq with an !?
[03:11] <Tekmaven> i wait like 4-5 months for ATI to support amd64 linux
[03:11] <Tekmaven> and then the driver dont freeking work ;-)
[03:11] <Uscfan> no ma'am
[03:11] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  you have a lsit of things it wants to upgrade, we'll say "foo bar linux-headers baz qux" .... type this command: "sudo apt-get install foo bar baz qux" (noting te ommision of linux-headers)
[03:11] <lunitik> Uscfan: should overwrite perms
[03:11] <Zedtech> maxchee, oh that; i've worked with that before. (Sorry, its been awhile since I've used any nix distrobution). I may just go ahead and do that; but before I do that, any idea on why mount keeps telling me that im specifying the wrong fs type? (mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/bigdrive; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock)
[03:11] <lunitik> Uscfan: type :wq! when done... I already told you that.
[03:12] <Uscfan> lunitik: ok i am not familiar withthis edirtor, i use vi on fedora and its a bit diferent
[03:12] <mjt> Roey: you have several mins before i will go to bed.
[03:12] <Uscfan> ill try again
[03:12] <maxchee> Zedtech: are you sure it's ntfs?
[03:12] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  if it wants to force linux-headers, one of those others is needing it, so do that list smaller, omitting half at a time, seeing which one forces it and just leaving it out
[03:12] <lunitik> Uscfan: its the exact same editor.
[03:12] <Zedtech> positive
[03:12] <Roey> mjt:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCvGgc35.html
[03:12] <Roey> mjt:  I got that erorr.
[03:12] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  get the genereal idea, for whatever day you want to do it?
[03:12] <black_nightmare> bbl for a while..hope ubuntu picks up the new video source
[03:12] <Roey> mjt:  after I did 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic ; reboot'
[03:12] <usual> I may get Verizon DSL inplace of my cable modem service, What is involved in using ubuntu with verizon dsl
[03:12] <Uscfan> lunitik: sudoers written, time to reeeeboooot
[03:13] <Brunellus> yeah, I've got the idea eyequeue
[03:13] <Zedtech> maxchee, I just want to get to my music
[03:13] <maxchee> Zedtech: ubuntu kernel might not have ntfs support. It doesn't matter anyways, since the kernel only includes an RO driver
[03:13] <lunitik> Roey: self-compiled kernel?
[03:13] <eyequeue> Brunellus:  cool, guaranteed to work safely, if you're careful before saying yes :)
[03:13] <maxchee> Zedtech: just install captive ntfs and be done with it
[03:13] <Uscfan> ubuntu kernel can read NTFS im quite sure, but almost no kernels can write to NTFS without the patch
[03:13] <Zedtech> maxchee, Its supposedly in there. I may just go get captive ntfs.
[03:13] <lunitik> Uscfan: yay  :)
[03:13] <Roey> lunitik:  no, this is ubuntu's own.
[03:13] <Bukkake> How do I move a file again? mv? heh..
[03:13] <Zedtech> maxchee, I'll be back, I'm going to go setup captive ntfs
[03:13] <Uscfan> bukkake: yes
[03:13] <Roey> lunitik:  I just ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-ubuntu
[03:13] <Bukkake> thanks
[03:14] <Uscfan> mv <file> <desired directory>
[03:14] <Roey> lunitik:  I even checked apt-cache policy on it to make sure it wasn't my file
[03:14] <lunitik> calc: any issue with 2.6.10 kernel there?
[03:14] <eruin> "A photograph of a field of long dry savanna grass as your desktop background... where the grass is gently swooshed around by a breeze created by moving your mouse across the background" *drool*
[03:14] <eyequeue> Bukkake:  mv cp ls and rm are common commands that you'll use often
[03:14] <Roey> mjt:  what was the command to execute at the system maintenance prompt? you gave it earlier in the beginning
[03:14] <calc> lunitik: huh?
[03:14] <usual> what do I need to know about using ubuntu with a DSL provider?
[03:14] <Uscfan> lunitil: rebooted. here we go! also, i have an external monitor and when booting all the boot messages appear on both, but ubuntu with the gui displays on the external, hopefully there is a way to change this???
[03:15] <robertj> mako: I'm reading your talk notes, I was wondering, has the pope been hired by Canonical as well?
[03:15] <robertj> He does seem like a good measure for usability testing
[03:15] <lunitik> calc: on AMD64 box... having any issue with 2.6.10-5-amd64?
[03:15] <eyequeue> usual:  basically, if they use dhcp or ppoe to issue you your ip address, etc
[03:15] <eyequeue> pppoe
[03:15] <Uscfan> lunitik: Could not look up internet address for michael. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It my be possible to fix this problem but adding michael to the file /etc/hosts
[03:15] <Uscfan> thats the error iget every time i login
[03:15] <usual> eyequeue: they use ppoe
[03:16] <lunitik> Uscfan: gah... you changed the hostname since install?
[03:16] <usual> +p
[03:16] <Uscfan> lunitik: no, i have not
[03:16] <Roey> mjt:  (hello?)
[03:16] <eyequeue> usual:  all of my experience has been with dhcp, so i'm no help there, but someone will be.  basically you eed that package isntalled and configured properly, after that it's all automatic
[03:16] <cleit0n> hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[03:16] <Uscfan> lunitik: same problem with sudo, shouold i change hostname otr something else, i thinkl that is the root of all my evils
[03:16] <Uscfan> please excuse the crappy typing
[03:16] <calc> lunitik: no
[03:17] <mjt> Roey: is that all? Nothing betwen "starting" and "pivot_root" ?
[03:17] <Uscfan> ;P
[03:17] <lunitik> Uscfan: bah... well... define 'micheal 127.0.0.1' in /etc/hosts (that may be the wrong way around though)
[03:17] <NeoCicak> hello.. how to clean up the list that's downloaded by apt-get update?
[03:17] <mjt> Roey: as you see, your kernel worked better... ;)
[03:17] <Roey> mjt:  yep.
[03:17] <lunitik> calc: bah... heh... thanks  :)
[03:17] <Roey> mjt:  heh
[03:17] <calc> lunitik: works fine for me, though i haven't rebooted in a week
[03:17] <Uscfan> ill change hostname to localhost
[03:17] <Roey> mjt:  but it used to be the case that the ubuntu stock kernel at least booted.
[03:17] <lunitik> calc: haha... could be why... I don't recommend rebooting for a while  ;)
[03:17] <Pizbit>  /etc/hosts is: ip names
[03:17] <Uscfan> damnit you have to be root
[03:17] <moominski> any1 no any good website on customizin ubuntu??
[03:17] <Roey> mjt:  what was that command you gave me earlier to get mdadm to see /dev/md0?
[03:17] <sig> moominski: http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:17] <eyequeue> Uscfan:  127.0.0.1 michael othername somethirdname evenanother name :)  you just need to start with the number
[03:17] <lunitik> Pizbit: it defines simular to DNS, but locally.
[03:18] <Zedtech> Well captive ntfs works
[03:18] <Zedtech> Im happy
[03:18] <Pizbit> lunitik: I know
[03:18] <Zedtech> I'll be back in a bit, I need to add a few more drives to this machine.
[03:18] <Tekmaven> how would i mount another partition so all users can rw it?
[03:18] <lunitik> Pizbit: ahh... seemed to you kinda disagreeing...
[03:18] <eyequeue> Uscfan:  you might (might) even get away with listing both the original name and the new name (not sure)
[03:18] <Pizbit> lunitik: I was pointing out the format for entries within the file
[03:18] <Uscfan> o m f g ~~ i cannot edit the /etc/hosts directoty do i need to go back into recovery?????!?!?!
[03:18] <Tekmaven> i can mount it in my fstab, but its only accessable wehn i sudo
[03:19] <lunitik> Pizbit: ohh... I've been up for too long... don't mind me  :P
[03:19] <veristead> hey has anyone gotten wine to compile from source on Warty
[03:19] <veristead> ?
[03:19] <Uscfan> opsie /etc/hosts file***
[03:19] <calc> if it is a kernel problem then just get 2.6.10-28
[03:19] <eyequeue> Uscfan:  preface the edit command with a sudo, like sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[03:19] <Roey>  why do birds.. suddenly appear... 
[03:19] <calc> that appears to be the version i must be running
[03:19] <mjt> Roey: it's again the prob with initrd. now it does not load anything (at least not says it's loading something) at all. i think now you know how to inspect what it does.  I don't know how it all works in ubuntu/debian (i use my own stuff for booting).  I suggest you to go with your kernel first, as your initrd worked correctly.
[03:19] <cleit0n> hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[03:19] <lunitik> veristead: why not use the wine in universe?
[03:19] <Uscfan> sudo does not work, that is why i am having these problemso
[03:19] <NeoCicak> could anyone tell me how to clear up the list downloaded by apt-get?
[03:19] <Roey> mjt:  ok, and what was the command again?
[03:19] <veristead> lunitik cuz it can't install the dependencies
[03:19] <eyequeue> Roey:  annoying maybe, but please tell me how you did that karen carpenter, heh
[03:19] <robertj> Uscfan: does not work?
[03:20] <Pizbit> Uscfan: What error message does it give you? If any
[03:20] <lunitik> Roey: ahh... you were the one with kernel issues right? ... have you tried -28?  probably a good reason the versioning is that high...
[03:20] <Uscfan> sudo gives errors
[03:20] <Uscfan> http://www.pastebin.com/263532
[03:20] <Roey> mjt:  here:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fge1i993.html
[03:20] <lunitik> veristead: ? mm... thats the point of apt...
[03:20] <eyequeue> Uscfan:  are you using your user password, not a root password there?
[03:20] <mjt> Roey: speaking of your previous attempt with your kernel.  Please look carefully what it does - whenever it assembles md0 or if there are any errors (cat /proc/mdstat to show state of your raid arrays)
[03:20] <Roey> lunitik:  what's in -28?
[03:20] <Roey> lunitik:  mine is -31
[03:20] <Uscfan> i bleieve it is becuase of hostname, so i will either change hostname to localhost or add my curent hostname into the /etc/hosts
[03:20] <veristead> i tried that
[03:20] <calc> Roey: that is the one i am running apparently and which works at least without raid
[03:21] <Uscfan> eyequeue: there is no root password, one second, i will reboot into recovery
[03:21] <robertj> Uscfan: My guess would be that localhost is not pointing to 127.0.0.1
[03:21] <robertj> Your machine should always be reachable via localhsot
[03:21] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Just adding your hostname to the 127.0.0.1 line will work, eg I have: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost Yogi
[03:21] <Roey> hmm
[03:21] <Roey> also
[03:21] <Roey> nvidia has prbolems.
[03:21] <cleit0n> hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[03:21] <eyequeue> Uscfan:  a quick warning, you DO want "127.0.0.1" and "localhost" on the same line, but can add anything else after that
[03:21] <veristead> veristead@ubuntu:~/Desktop/wine-20050310 $ sudo apt-get install Wine
[03:21] <veristead> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:21] <veristead> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:21] <veristead> E: Couldn't find package Wine
[03:21] <lunitik> robertj: negative... localhost is a definition in /etc/hosts ... if you remove the line... localhost won't work.
[03:21] <mjt> Roey: there may be pretty some noise from kernel md stuff - scroll with Shift-PgUp
[03:21] <Roey> mjt:  you posted this michael
[03:21] <arnaud> how to deal with daylight saving time automatically ??
[03:22] <crimsun> veristead: case-sensitive, use "wine" not "Wine"
[03:22] <Pizbit> veristead: Enable universe
[03:22] <veristead> so then i downloaded the source
[03:22] <Roey> mjt:  you posted this set of mdadm commands earlier
[03:22] <veristead> lol
[03:22] <veristead> oops
[03:22] <Roey> mjt:  what the heck was it? :)
[03:22] <Tekmaven> rofl!
[03:22] <Tekmaven> lol
[03:22] <crimsun> Roey: pong
[03:22] <lunitik> veristead: 'wine' ... case sensitive
[03:22] <Uscfan> ok during installation i changed the hostname to michael, and now i get tons of errors, so should i change myt hostname to localhost, or add my current hostname to the /etc/hosts?
[03:22] <robertj> lunitik: I know, I meant that you shouldn't remove it
[03:22] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!!!!
[03:22] <mjt> Roey: the command to assemble array: mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md0
[03:22] <Roey> crimsun:   
[03:22] <Roey> mjt:  OK
[03:22] <veristead> veristead@ubuntu:~/Desktop/wine-20050310 $ sudo apt-get install wine
[03:22] <veristead> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:22] <veristead> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:22] <veristead> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:22] <veristead> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:22] <veristead> is only available from another source
[03:22] <veristead> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[03:22] <Pizbit> veristead: Stop spamming us.
[03:22] <veristead> sorry
[03:22] <lunitik> veristead: had universe is enabled?
[03:22] <mjt> Roey: add --auto=md to create the mdX device if it complains about "unable to open /dev/mdX: no such file or directory"
[03:23] <lunitik> and*
[03:23] <veristead> i believe it is
[03:23] <pvoce> k...back
[03:23] <lunitik> veristead: don't guess... go check
[03:23] <veristead> wait how do  i check that
[03:23] <Roey> mjt:  yes it dos say taht
[03:23] <Uscfan> main question: add current hostname to /etc/hosts OR change hostname to localhost
[03:23] <Roey> mjt:  do you have to give it once only or every time?
[03:23] <Roey> mjt:  (every time you boot up)
[03:23] <Pizbit> veristead: This page explains how to enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <mjt> Roey: if it can't assemble/mount your mdX *after* mounting root, it will be the same with any kernel
[03:23] <Roey> crimsun:  ok, I get this pivot_root error when I start up ubuntu kernel
[03:23] <cleit0n> alguem ai usa xorg e pode me ajudar com esse erro:, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[03:23] <Uscfan> meh ill just change hostname
[03:24] <Pizbit> cleit0n: Why don't you check out http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ?
[03:24] <arnaud> hey ppl, how to deal with daylight saving time automatically ??
[03:24] <LifesizeKenDoll> something fishy has happened to distrowatch!
[03:24] <lunitik> cleit0n: tu habla ingles?
[03:24] <robertj> Uscfan: but yeah, you may need to go into single user mode
[03:24] <Uscfan> robertj: ??? explain
[03:24] <Pizbit> Uscfan: If it's what we think it is, just adding it to the end of the line saying: 127.0.0.1 should be all you need.
[03:24] <mjt> Roey: sure there's a way to do it automatically ;)  I'm just not sure what's the best "Ubunto way" to do it with udev+mdadm.
[03:24] <cleit0n> lunitik: no good
[03:24] <cleit0n> lunitik:  hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[03:24] <robertj> Uscfan: my _guess_ is that localhost is not in /etc/hosts
[03:24] <Uscfan> my /etc/hosts file reads 127.0.0.1 localhost
[03:24] <robertj> hrmm
[03:24] <Uscfan> so i wil change my hostname to localhost
[03:25] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Reboot, hit ESC when grub is mentioned and select the rescue mode
[03:25] <Uscfan> rebooting@!!!!
[03:25] <mjt> Roey: you can modify /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid to include --auto=md in the $MDADM -A line
[03:25] <Uscfan> i am in rescue mode righ now
[03:25] <lunitik> cleit0n: what keymap are you trying to use?
[03:25] <sig> LifesizeKenDoll: what is fishy about the site?
[03:25] <Uscfan> i am rebooting one sec
[03:25] <Pizbit> Ahh, and it doesn't like you? Nasty >.<
[03:25] <mjt> Roey: but it isn't a best way really
[03:25] <Roey> mjt:  ok
[03:25] <mjt> Roey: (btw, -A == --assemble - man mdadm)
[03:25] <cleit0n> lunitik: br
[03:26] <robertj> I think changing it to read 127.0.0.1 michael localhost might work better
[03:26] <Roey> mjt:  ok
[03:26] <robertj> you can have multiple names for the machine on a single line
[03:26] <Uscfan> ok well i changed hostname, if this doesnt work i will do that
[03:26] <Uscfan> and revert to older hostname
[03:26] <Roey> crimsun, mjt: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCvGgc35.html
[03:26] <mjt> Roey: in theory that --auto should be here in the first place.  I just don't use udev so i leave it as is
[03:26] <robertj> uscfan: while in single user mode set the passwd to root
[03:26] <Roey> mjt:  ok
[03:26] <robertj> then you can just su root if you need to
[03:26] <LifesizeKenDoll> sig, Debian is now #1, Ubuntu-Fedora-Gentoo-etc is nowhere to be seen
[03:26] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Ok, make sure the line has: 127.0.0.1 localhost YOURHOSTNAME
[03:26] <robertj> nothing wrong iwth having a root password if you don't abuse it
[03:26] <cleit0n> lunitik: xkbrules "xorg"
[03:26] <sig> LifesizeKenDoll: who cares
[03:26] <sig> lol
[03:27] <cleit0n> lunitik: xkbmodel "abnt2"
[03:27] <Guilmon> sig: been a long time since I've seen you.
[03:27] <sig> howdy
[03:27] <Guilmon> sig: how is the wife?
[03:27] <sig> dross
[03:27] <Uscfan> so my etc/hosts file should read 127.0.0.1 localhost michael
[03:27] <veristead> yes universe is enabled
[03:27] <sig> hah
[03:27] <sig> whats up
[03:27] <cleit0n> lunitik: xkblayout "br"
[03:27] <Roey> mjt:  looks like this currently:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/uXiChD45.html
[03:27] <robertj> Uscfan: yeah but I would put michael firt
[03:27] <mjt> Roey: the problem here is classical chicken-n-eggs prob: mdadm needs /dev/mdX device node to assemble the array, but that node gets created only AFTER the array gets assembled.  With udev anyway.
[03:27] <robertj> err first
[03:27] <veristead> lunitik
[03:27] <cleit0n> lunitik: xkbvariant "abnt2"
[03:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> sig, I dunno, Ubuntu was 3 days away to getting #1
[03:27] <Guilmon> sig: I bought a laptop, and only linux supports this wireless card well ;)
[03:28] <Roey> mjt:  is there a normal distribution that hanldes this OK?
[03:28] <Uscfan> robertj: ok, any thoughts pizbit
[03:28] <robertj> some stupid apps check for the hostname by reading htat file
[03:28] <Zedtech> mjr: question. I rebooted and I had to rerun sudo rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=bare; modprobe psmouse proto=bare
[03:28] <Roey> mjt:  LILO doens't work for me.  If it did, I'd pitch this initrd thing and just compile the drivers into the kernel.
[03:28] <Zedtech> er mjt :-x
[03:28] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Try adding 'single' to one of the boot lines and changing the file to read as I suggested.
[03:28] <mjt> Roey: that's why mdadm now have --auto=md option, to work around this -- it tells mdadm to create the node by its own
[03:28] <Zedtech> anyway to load that command at boot?
[03:28] <Uscfan> im asuming that grub on warty is good looking, on this <hoary> its really fugly
[03:28] <Roey> mjt:  ok.
[03:28] <crimsun> Uscfan: if you have to stare at grub a lot, something's wrong.
[03:29] <Uscfan> hahahahaha
[03:29] <Uscfan> no i dont, just its black and white
[03:29] <Roey> mjt:  ok, so I added --auto=md to each entry there
[03:29] <mjt> Roey: this all has absolutely nothing to do with lilo. you can do the same with any boot loader
[03:29] <Uscfan> and i think in warty its colorful with a nice logo and stuff
[03:29] <Pizbit> crimsun: I look at grub everynight...
[03:29] <Roey> mjt:  nono I have issues with lilo and amd64 kernels (I think it's a motherboard thing)
[03:29] <Roey> mjt:  with/without raid, same thing
[03:29] <crimsun> Pizbit: do you purposefully turn off your computer though? :)
[03:29] <Pizbit> crimsun: *cough*pun*cough*
[03:29] <Roey> mjt:  but anyway, getting backto that question:  I added --auto=md to each entry there
[03:29] <cleit0n> lunitik: help me
[03:30] <crimsun> Pizbit: heh
[03:30] <mjt> Roey: i mean you can compile your modules into kernel with any boot loader
[03:30] <Uscfan> ok my /etc/hosts file now reads: 127.0.0.1 michael localhost
[03:30] <mjt> Roey: not to each "entry"
[03:30] <Roey> mjt:  ok
[03:30] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Yay!:)
[03:30] <robertj> Uscfan: did you set your root pass?
[03:30] <robertj> so you don't have to reboot if this breaks it?
[03:30] <mjt> Roey: there's only ONE line -- $MDADM -A -s
[03:31] <Uscfan> roberyj: i need to be able to sudo in order to use root pass, and basically everytrhing is foobar
[03:31] <Roey> mjt:  then where? (in mdadm.conf)
[03:31] <mjt> Roey: ugh-blah. When you will learn to damn *read*?
[03:31] <lunitik> Uscfan: in rescue mode, you ARE root... just 'passwd'
[03:31] <kpeterson> Can someone help me set up VSFTPD?  I have followed several online guides but keep running into problems...
[03:31] <linuxn00b> Hey :) synaptic no longer opens in hoary
[03:32] <lunitik> Uscfan: it's technically single user mode... simular to Windows...
[03:32] <mjt> < mjt> Roey: you can modify /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid to include --auto=md in the $MDADM -A line
[03:32] <Uscfan> lunitik: please explain this single user mode stuff
[03:32] <robertj> Uscfan: that's why its called single user mode, you have one user who has no restrictions
[03:32] <Roey> mjt:  aaaaaaaaaaaaah
[03:32] <robertj> lunitik: not really
[03:32] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Now the question is, how the heck did you wind up without it there?:)
[03:32] <Zedtech> is there a KDE available for Ubuntu? (something prepacketed? apt-get worthy?)
[03:32] <Uscfan> ok no more problems
[03:33] <Roey> mjt: heh, ung-blah :)
[03:33] <lunitik> robertj: do you have a boot loader password?
[03:33] <membreya> Zedtech: kubuntu
[03:33] <Uscfan> omfg thank you all so much
[03:33] <mjt> Zedtech: i answered that your q already, right when that stuff has been discussed
[03:33] <Zedtech> hahaha
[03:33] <Pizbit> Zedtech: It's in universe, and then there's Kubuntu
[03:33] <mjt> Zedtech: and btw, i'm mjt, not mjr ;)
[03:33] <lunitik> Uscfan: you're welcome  :)
[03:33] <Uscfan> this is the reason why open source owns everyone
[03:33] <Roey> mjt: thanks so much : :)
[03:33] <membreya> if you have hoary installed, you can just do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <robertj> lunitik: nope, anyone who is that determined can take my drive and stick it into another computer
[03:33] <Zedtech> mjt, well answer this one; how can I force that modprobe psmouse proto=bare to load everything the machine starts? I cold rebooted and i had to use it again
[03:33] <Uscfan> lunitik: especially you man, thanks a million, and if i had millions i would give you some
[03:33] <mjt> < mjt> Zedtech: i answered that your q already, right when that stuff has been discussed
[03:33] <Pizbit> robertj: Turn off machine, unplug drive, turn off destination machine. plug it in.
[03:33] <robertj> and if your going to break into my office, might as well break into the server closet instead
[03:33] <Zedtech> mjt, im retarded.
[03:33] <Zedtech> mjt, and rebooted
[03:33] <moominski> hoy do i install hoary
[03:34] <veristead> lunitik universe is enabled
[03:34] <Uscfan> ok now i need to get my wireless working
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  about this pivot_root thing
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  how to solve it?
[03:34] <veristead> and yet wine does not reveal it self
[03:34] <lunitik> lunitik: you're very welcome... heh... so long as one day, you help someone with the issue, the cycle repeats, and I am happy  :)
[03:34] <Uscfan> my card is detected in the device listing, but what should i do
[03:34] <linuxn00b> moominski, you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.conf
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  because then I can continue using stock ubuntu kernel
[03:34] <moominski> by doin wot?
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  btw mjt showed me that the initrd module was missing 'modprobe -k via_sata' in 'loadmodules' file.
[03:34] <Pizbit> moominski: gedit /etc/sources.list (or via synaptic) change every warty to hoary: sudo ap-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:34] <lunitik> Uscfan: lspci recognizes it? did you google for the driver?
[03:35] <Roey> crimsun:  that had to be loaded before the softraid stuff
[03:35] <Uscfan> one sec
[03:35] <mjt> Zedtech: ugh. When your people will damn learn to damn read?  It's difficult to watch this channel answering everyone's questions, but at least can't you watch for replies to *your own* questions?! (it's a question to everyone here...)
[03:35] <Uscfan> im not online at all
[03:35] <Pizbit> moominski: er, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:35] <Uscfan> lemme plugin an ehterhent cable
[03:35] <lunitik> Uscfan: also... cable, pppoe?
[03:35] <linuxn00b> moominski, change all the warty to hoary
[03:35] <crimsun> Roey: so have you inserted into your initrd?
[03:35] <lunitik> Uscfan: haha... thats a good start  ;)
[03:35] <Zedtech> mjt, understood. I read, Im highly ADD and usually am in the middle of fourteen things at once.
[03:35] <moominski> wots synaptic
[03:36] <robertj> I'm a wireless reject, I need to learn something about it
[03:36] <Pizbit> Zedtech: Here's a tip then, do '/lastlog YOURNICK' every now and then
[03:36] <mjt> Zedtech: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, say, /etc/modprobe.d/local, with the single line in it: "options psmouse proto=whatever-proto-you-found-works-for-you" (w/o quotes)
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  YES
[03:36] <Uscfan> lunitik: ok i have a router, so no need to worry about pppoe, despite the fact i dont even have it, i have DSL
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  and my custom kernel BOOTS
[03:36] <lunitik> moominski: Computer > Administration > Package Management
[03:36] <Zedtech> :-x i love you mjt
[03:36] <Uscfan> DSL without pppoe
[03:36] <linuxn00b> moominski, synaptic is your package amnager that you use to install programs and updatre them
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  HOWEVER, the Ubuntu kernle doesn't even get to that point.. that pivot error, see.
[03:36] <Uscfan> lunitik: and so now i need to get my wireless card working and detected
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  couldja help me with that?
[03:36] <Uscfan> eth0 is detected but i am assuming that is my ethernet
[03:36] <robertj> I figure there are 4 open ap's accessible from here and mine is locked by mac address so noone would bother to try to sniff it when they could just hop on and surf
[03:37] <mjt> Zedtech: also try proto=imps and proto=exps (see modinfo psmouse)
[03:37] <veristead> yea usually eth0 is ethernet
[03:37] <veristead> eth1 is wifi
[03:37] <Pizbit> Uscfan: So basically all it's plain ethernet between you and your router/adsl-modem and you want to set up the link between you and it? *trying to catch up here*
[03:37] <veristead> generally
[03:37] <lunitik> bah... these days... wlan0 is first wireless... eth0 is first nic...
[03:38] <Uscfan> pizbit: i got a wireless router, right now the ethernet cable is plugged in and i will try and get internet workin on the nic so i can dload drivers,etcc...
[03:38] <Uscfan> then i will configure wireless *hopefully*
[03:38] <lunitik> Uscfan: /exec -o cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep wlan0  <-- type here
[03:38] <lunitik> where here = in xchat/other irc client
[03:39] <crimsun> Roey: well, you could just use your custom kernel
[03:39] <mello> guys, is there any way to copy a multitude of files to another directory?
[03:39] <Uscfan> ok its working on the ethernet cable
[03:39] <Uscfan> time to get the wireless workin
[03:39] <lunitik> Uscfan: did you type what I just said?
[03:39] <robertj> I did not know about that, I did an /exec banner hey in #test ;)
[03:39] <Uscfan> i shall now
[03:39] <Uscfan> sorry i wasnt paying attention
[03:39] <Pizbit> robertj: without the -o it doesn't send stuff to the channel
[03:40] <lunitik> robertj: /exec is so you can see... /exec -o outputs to channel, so everyone sees
[03:40] <robertj> oh
[03:40] <Uscfan> i am logging out, imma login as rot
[03:40] <lunitik> robertj: useful
[03:40] <Uscfan> im tired of all these restrictions
[03:40] <Uscfan> meh
[03:40] <Uscfan> the administrator cannot login from the gui login
[03:40] <Uscfan> :(
[03:40] <mjt> Roey: tjat stuff resulted in pivot_root problem is *solely* due to wrong initrd being generated, for whatever reason.
[03:40] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Login as normal user, open a terminal, do: su -
[03:41] <lunitik> Uscfan: yeah... uhhh... you shouldn't have had to be root...
[03:41] <Uscfan> yeah i will
[03:41] <StR34k> hey
[03:41] <Uscfan> damnit something is wrong, nothing is loading
[03:41] <lunitik> Uscfan: anyways... you are a sudoer... so its irrelivant... just throw a 'sudo' in front of things
[03:41] <Uscfan> alt ctrl backspace :P
[03:42] <Uscfan> dangit, now gnome will not start, after login nothing happens
[03:42] <Pizbit> ctrl+alt+backspace works better *grin*
[03:42] <Uscfan> nothing is happening
[03:42] <Uscfan> no hd read or anything
[03:42] <PecK> hey all
[03:43] <PecK> does anyone know a good newbie-oriented tutorial for emacs?
[03:43] <StR34k> hey
[03:43] <Uscfan> lunitik: the command you gave me earlier is not working
[03:43] <robertj> ahh
[03:43] <robertj> Are ooo2 debs done in house or do they come from debian?
[03:44] <mjt> PecK: it comes with a good tutorial ;)
[03:44] <Pizbit> PecK: Uh, I'm a bigot so: ditch emacs, and install vim and run vim-tutor :D
[03:44] <StR34k> sorry, I use vi.
[03:44] <Uscfan> lunitik: now i am working from command line becuase gnome will not start either :(
[03:44] <Wildthing> vim is the win
[03:44] <StR34k> (vim)
[03:44] <lunitik> Uscfan: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:44] <lunitik> sudo that
[03:44] <dts> what's the default password/username for the postgressql database?
[03:44] <PecK> hum
[03:44] <PecK> installing vim right away
[03:44] <Uscfan> fuck is it restarting on tty1
[03:44] <PecK> thx
[03:45] <Uscfan> nvm
[03:45] <lunitik> Uscfan: heh... X always goes to tty7...
[03:45] <Uscfan> no the login screen works fine (gdm) but after i click login, it just sits there
[03:45] <PecK> ha, had it
[03:45] <lunitik> else 8 etc... bah... but by default...
[03:45] <mjt> PecK: it displays a brief summary of stuff (incl. tutorial) at every startup
[03:45] <StR34k> hey, does anyone know if there is a gui way to set the ide mode on a drive in Hoary?
[03:46] <Uscfan> dangit, nothing is happening
[03:46] <satty> Quick question:  For listening to .ogg which is your preferred music player?
[03:46] <guiman> hi, anyone can point me to instruction on how to install Acrobat Reader?
[03:46] <d27654> I'm out of Linux books to read, any recommendations for medium to advanced admin?
[03:46] <lunitik> satty: Rhythmbox
[03:46] <guiman> (besides the adobe website)
[03:46] <Pizbit> StR34k: Not really, but: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/whateveritis
[03:46] <Uscfan> read about how much windows sucks balls
[03:46] <Pizbit> satty: beep-media-player
[03:47] <Uscfan> lunitk: ok nothing is happening, i enter username and password, and press enter, it goes to the brown screen with the cursor just sitting there
[03:47] <Uscfan> defualt session is gnome
[03:47] <StR34k> Pizbit, :) yeah but I don't want to have to run that every time I boot.
[03:47] <PecK> lol can't understand shit with vim
[03:47] <lunitik> satty: Rhythmbox uses gstreamer for a backend... bmp uses primitive libao ...  :/
[03:47] <PecK> i'm a newb
[03:47] <Pizbit> StR34k: Don't then, put it in a startup script
[03:47] <lunitik> PecK: nano
[03:47] <PecK> and i need to right a big report like a book
[03:47] <Inva|id> When is the final release for Hoary planned?
[03:47] <knathraak> hi all, does anyone have experience with lirc & hoary, specifically lirc_i2c (pvr250/350)?
[03:47] <PecK> emacs looks pretty good for project handling
[03:47] <lunitik> Inva|id: April
[03:47] <Pizbit> lunitik: Eh? bmp can use esd/alsa/oss/many-others
[03:47] <Uscfan> well. reboots fix a lot of stuff, so i shall reboot
[03:48] <PecK> file comparison and stuff
[03:48] <Inva|id> ty
[03:48] <StR34k> Pizbit, true. :)
[03:48] <crimsun> lunitik: bmp doesn't use libao
[03:48] <PecK> but i can't get to understand everything
[03:48] <crimsun> lunitik: no one has written a gst backend for it yet
[03:48] <PecK> write
[03:48] <PecK> not right
[03:48] <Uscfan> my favorite music player is called an iPod, maybe some of you have heard of it???
[03:48] <PecK> lol
[03:48] <moominski> wot do am i ment to use for editing files i cant see any editors
[03:48] <Bukkake> fork failed: Cannot allocate memory  <-- that, being given in the terminal output when installing mysql on synatpic . . . someone help me please :x
[03:49] <lunitik> crimsun: when they do... I might reconsider... but gst seems to pretty much be the future...
[03:49] <PecK> Uscfan, yeah how do you handle iPod and Linux ?
[03:49] <lunitik> crimsun: getting the most work etc...
[03:49] <Uscfan> Peck: I dont, i dual boot on my laptop
[03:49] <PecK> Win ?
[03:49] <mjt> Bukkake: add more memory. more. More. MORE!!!  ;-P
[03:49] <catrlr> :-\
[03:49] <lunitik> PecK: latest Rhythmbox can...
[03:49] <Uscfan> Peck: But installing linux (podzilla) on my ipod would be leet
[03:49] <knathraak> hi all, does anyone have experience with lirc & hoary, specifically lirc_i2c (pvr250/350)?
[03:49] <catrlr> the ability to run Ubuntu on top of MacOS X
[03:49] <apokryphos> PecK: amaroK
[03:49] <catrlr> :-\
[03:49] <PecK> Uscfan, I have 4g...
[03:49] <catrlr> interesting thought
[03:49] <Bukkake> mjt: You mean.. as in hardware?
[03:50] <PecK> apokryphos, what is it?
[03:50] <Uscfan> PEck: as do i my friend
[03:50] <catrlr> maybe i will do that
[03:50] <Uscfan> dangnit
[03:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: bah... kde advice to #kubuntu  :P
[03:50] <mjt> Bukkake: i mean i was joking... ;)
[03:50] <PecK> Uscfan, we can't then
[03:50] <Uscfan> NOTHING HAPPENS AFTER GDM LOGIN, ANY THOUGHTS
[03:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: even if amaroK is better  :P
[03:50] <PecK> Uscfan, not yet
[03:50] <satty> Does Rhythmbox play .mp3?  Or do I need a additional plugin?
[03:50] <apokryphos> PecK: the best MP3 Program out there.
[03:50] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Remove your capslock key?:P
[03:50] <shawncorn> hi
[03:50] <lunitik> satty: 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'
[03:50] <eruin> satty: you need an additional plugin
[03:50] <PecK> can handle library and ipod? aac too? like perfect?
[03:50] <apokryphos> lunitik: Never! I'll infiltrate till I have you all converted. If I keep inculcating... ;)
[03:50] <robertj> how do you attach files to the wiki?
[03:50] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Have a look at the X log
[03:50] <Zedtech> no C Compiler on ubuntu!?
[03:50] <eruin> satty: what lunitik said
[03:50] <Uscfan> pizbit, where would i find that
[03:50] <robertj> I made an ics file of releases and I'm sure other people would like access
[03:51] <knathraak> Hi, wondering if anyone has experience getting lirc going?
[03:51] <Zedtech> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:51] <Zedtech> ?
[03:51] <Pizbit> Uscfan: /var/log/
[03:51] <eruin> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:51] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Have a look at your user's .xsession-errors file too
[03:51] <Zedtech> thanks eruin
[03:51] <Bukkake> mjt: My laptop is infamous for being slow . . . 266 mhz, 7 years old . . . memory would be the problem for this, right? Thought the message "Cannot allocate memory" looked like a big scary kernerl error at first sight
[03:52] <Uscfan> my dad just got the coolest laptop ever, it has a Dothan 2.0GHz (I am an AMD fan) 1GB of ram, 80GB hard drive, and his res is 16x12!!!! ATI Fire GL 2 128mb
[03:52] <mjt> Bukkake: try adding some swap space. and quitting some apps you're running.
[03:52] <Uscfan> it is soooo sexy
[03:52] <eruin> Zedtech: you'll probably need more stuff though ;)
[03:52] <Pizbit> satty: This explains the play/can't-play business http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <eruin> Uscfan: too bad about the ati :p
[03:52] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Buahahaha, an ATI? How er, I'm too nice to say
[03:52] <Wildthing> i wonder how well ubuntu would run on a pentium 90 with 48 MB ram and a 730 MB hd
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: gnome would run horrible
[03:53] <Wildthing> heh
[03:53] <Uscfan> ati owns
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: but you could always run fluxbox or something
[03:53] <robertj> I really like the new hoary artwark
[03:53] <Artanis> my laptop mhz never sinks below 600 mhz, but in windows I saw it having 300 mhz
[03:53] <Wildthing> how about xfce?
[03:53] <catrlr> I WANT SEX
[03:53] <Artanis> can I config this?
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: no
[03:53] <catrlr> GIVE IT TO ME
[03:53] <catrlr> jk
[03:53] <Pizbit> Wildthing: Depends, great if you don't install gnome/kde and stick to a minimalistix WM
[03:53] <catrlr> :-P
[03:53] <Uscfan> an X850XT PE will rape two 6800 Ultras in SLI config
[03:53] <moominski> wot are u suppossed to use to edit files plz help?
[03:53] <Pizbit> moominski: gedit works
[03:53] <Wildthing> wow i thought xfce was supposed to be pretty minimal
[03:53] <Bukkake> mjt: Got it, thanks
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: xfce has gnome-ish requirements :P - honestly though, anything X-ish will run very sluggishly on a computer like that
[03:54] <eruin> Wildthing: supposed to, but isn't :P
[03:54] <moominski> it wont let me edit with gedit
[03:54] <Wildthing> heh
[03:54] <Uscfan> Pizbit: Could not init font path element unix/:7100 removing from list!
[03:54] <Pizbit> moominski: sources.list ? I told you to open with: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <Wildthing> i'm thinking about putting ubuntu on a p2 450 with 168 MB ram
[03:54] <robertj> Wildthing: I'd consider Windows 98 light
[03:54] <Wildthing> and a 10 gig hd
[03:54] <moominski> ok sorry
[03:54] <eruin> that'll work
[03:54] <Uscfan> Pizbit: i do like ati, and i am aware that ati is not linux friendly
[03:54] <apokryphos> Uscfan: not at all
[03:54] <Pizbit> Uscfan: So you like something that isn't friendly? Rrrright.
[03:54] <Uscfan> lmao
[03:54] <robertj> Wildthing: for the 90, the p2 450 will probably do ok if you strip it down
[03:55] <Uscfan> LOGIN PROBLEM, FORGET ATI
[03:55] <moominski> change everything that says warty to hoary rite?
[03:55] <Uscfan> after loggin in successfully, nothing happens, gnome does not start
[03:55] <Uscfan> where else should i look
[03:55] <Pizbit> moominski: Yes
[03:55] <Wildthing> windows 98 light?
[03:55] <Wildthing> haven't heard of it
[03:55] <Uscfan> windows 98 is shit on a stick
[03:55] <aperson> it's 98 without the se part
[03:55] <robertj> Wildthing: its a program you run and it asks for the windows 98 cd and windows 95 and installs a bit of both
[03:55] <regeya> wait wait wait...ati isn't friendly?
[03:55] <Wildthing> oic
[03:55] <robertj> aperson: not true
[03:55] <eruin> win98 was the only windows version that didn't crash on me
[03:55] <regeya> omg u r s0 l33t
[03:56] <Uscfan> ATI does not have drivers for linux
[03:56] <Wildthing> eruin, are you serioius?
[03:56] <Zedtech> NVidia is your friend
[03:56] <Zedtech> :(
[03:56] <robertj> its got almost everything from se, its just go the shell stuff from 95 to speed it up
[03:56] <eruin> Wildthing: yes
[03:56] <Uscfan> nVidia is a linux worshipper
[03:56] <mello> guys, is there any way to copy a multitude of files to another directory?
[03:56] <Wildthing> 98 crashed like an asian girl driver for me
[03:56] <robertj> so you still get usb2 support and all that
[03:56] <eruin> Wildthing: ran rock solid for several years
[03:56] <Zedtech> I love nvidia
[03:56] <eruin> :)
[03:56] <Zedtech> :-) they are my heros
[03:56] <regeya> Uscfan: that would explain the proprietary drivers
[03:56] <Wildthing> ...you must be really 1337 to manage that!
[03:56] <nuge> i love nvidia too
[03:56] <eruin> lol
[03:56] <robertj> Wild: It's not great but it might run a decent web browser on that P 90
[03:56] <Uscfan> AFTER SUCCESFULLY LOGGING IN VIA GDM, GNOME DOES NOT START
[03:56] <moominski> no i use synaptic to update
[03:56] <Pizbit> mello: cp file1 file2 new/place/ or cp file* ned/place/
[03:56] <moominski> now
[03:56] <lunitik> Uscfan: nVidia is pro anything that is likely to make them money.
[03:56] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Please stop using all capital letters
[03:56] <mello> thanks
[03:56] <regeya> yes please
[03:56] <Zedtech> :-x
[03:56] <Pizbit> moominski: You need to hit the reload button in synaptic first
[03:57] <apokryphos> Uscfan: not successful login then, was it? ;)
[03:57] <Zedtech> Want to see the worst pickup line ever
[03:57] <Uscfan> lmao
[03:57] <Uscfan> no
[03:57] <Uscfan> login worked
[03:57] <moominski> ok thanks
[03:57] <Wildthing> eruin, u mean u never had to cntrl alt delete a lockup?  or u just never had to format and reinstall
[03:57] <Roey> mjt:  so I will remake the initrd.
[03:57] <Uscfan> but gnome did not start
[03:57] <Zedtech> (20:56:40) Zed: can I stick my GPU into your AGP slot?
[03:57] <Zedtech> (20:56:54) Zed: its 8X baby
[03:57] <Zedtech> You all lose.
[03:57] <mello> hahahhaa
[03:57] <robertj> What do you want to do with your p90 anyway?>
[03:57] <Uscfan> im rebooting again
[03:57] <eruin> Wildthing: never had to do any of those things with win98 - I only upgraded when stuff started requiring xp
[03:57] <Roey> mjt:  see I thought that it sufficed to have apt-get rebuild it when I apt-got installed kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
, robertj , project computer haha
[03:57] <Uscfan> AMD is the uber hax0r
[03:57] <robertj> Wild: you can probably get better results with Box
[03:57] <robertj> err Bochs
[03:58] <lunitik> hahaha... I remember BoxOS ... wonder what ever happened with that?
[03:58] <Uscfan> i am about to say forget it, and just go back into windblows
[03:58] <Wildthing> wow...windows 98 without blue screen of death...that's like china with no chinese people
[03:58] <Wildthing> it's THAT amazing
[03:58] <eruin> lol
[03:58] <shawncorn> If anyone could help me it would be appreciated.  I think I messed up.  :/  I just got Ubuntu Hoary.  I have two 120GB drives.  One is old and has a ton of data on it, ext3 fs.  The other is new and I want to throw them both into a RAID-1.  So I was installing Hoary and I saw the partitioner that had some stuff for RAIDs.  I marked the drives as RAID volumes and I think I accidentally touched the MBR on the old 120GB drive.  Now I'm trying to mo
[03:58] <shawncorn> unt the drive and it has a corrupt superblock.  So I used fdisk to change the partition type back to Linux (83) and I'm running `fsck.ext3 -y` right now and getting a lot of fixes and whatnot and I'm scared.  Also, I copied the old drive to the new one via dd before I fsck'd it.  So does anyone have any input on whether I did something excessively dumb and if I can get my data back painlessly?  *phew*  There's a mouthful...
[03:58] <Wildthing> to me, at least
[03:58] <shawncorn> (sorry about the long message =P)
[03:58] <regeya> Uscfan: and you seemed so serious about getting things going, too...
[03:58] <lunitik> random... hah... was supposed to be attempting to have Linux Windows et all stuff be seamless...
[03:58] <br33zy> where can I get the faac package for ubuntu?
[03:58] <mako> robertj: it's in the notes
[03:58] <Uscfan> i am
[03:59] <lunitik> br33zy: if its not in universe/multiverse ... try apt-get.org
[03:59] <Uscfan> i love linux, i run linux servers at home, but i cant get gnome to start
[03:59] <Pizbit> br33zy: In universe
[03:59] <mako> robertj: basically, it's a nice usability visual joke.. goes over well in largely catholic countries usually :)
[03:59] <br33zy> lol
[03:59] <moominski> ok its workin Pizbit thanks for u help dude
[03:59] <regeya> Uscfan: after a clean install?  warty or hoary?  eh?  eh???!?
[03:59] <Uscfan> hoary
[03:59] <robertj> mako: I'm a big pope fan, his contributions to haberdashery are commendable
[03:59] <Uscfan> it has been workin fine
[03:59] <regeya> I don't feel sorry for you
[04:00] <Uscfan> i have been doing stuff like getting my internet to work
[04:00] <Uscfan> but now it does not work
[04:00] <PecK> ok guys am installing amaroK
[04:00] <br33zy> Pizbit, which is it?
[04:00] <mako> robertj: hate to break it to you.. i think someone else designed the hats... :(
[04:00] <Pizbit> br33zy: Oddly enough 'faac'
[04:00] <regeya> heh lunitik
[04:00] <lunitik> regeya: you went no where, don't lie  :P
[04:00] <PecK> i'm curious :)
[04:00] <Uscfan> failsafe gnome does not start either
[04:00] <regeya> I walked away in a very virtual sense
[04:00] <Uscfan> will i need to reinstall ?!
[04:00] <br33zy> Pizbit, lunitik says it isn't in universe
[04:00] <Pizbit> moominski: No problems, I'd reboot after you've done it btw.
[04:00] <moominski> ok now wots that command to get kubuntu
[04:00] <regeya> I live in a parallel dimension where certain people can speak to me and I never hear them
[04:00] <robertj> mako: have you seen my general grumpynessp age ;)
[04:00] <lunitik> br33zy: no... I said *if* its not...
[04:00] <moominski> ok
[04:00] <lunitik> br33zy: don't misquote...
[04:00] <br33zy> oh
[04:01] <Pizbit> br33zy: No, lunitik said "...if its not in universe/multiverse ..."
[04:01] <moominski> back soon
[04:01] <br33zy> lunitik, sorry
[04:01] <br33zy> well
[04:01] <mako> robertj: i guess not
[04:01] <br33zy> i don't see it in universe
[04:01] <robertj> mako: http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/
[04:01] <br33zy> do i need any special lines to use universe?
[04:01] <br33zy> options*
[04:01] <Wildthing> i honstly wonder what i could use a pentium 90 for...cuz my parents want to dump it
[04:01] <robertj> vnc2swf strikes back ;)
[04:01] <Pizbit> br33zy: Read this for enabling universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:01] <Wildthing> and that just seems like a waste to me
[04:01] <lunitik> Wildthing: router
[04:01] <br33zy> it's enabled Pizbit
[04:01] <Roey> mjt:  dude, the apt-get install procedure rebuilt the initrd.img all fine...
[04:01] <lunitik> Wildthing: firewall
[04:01] <lunitik> Wildthing: proxy
[04:01] <Roey> mjt:  that pivot_root error persists though
[04:01] <Wildthing> lol dlink does that for me
[04:01] <robertj> wildthing: Filrewall if you dont mind the heat/noise
[04:01] <br33zy> erm
[04:01] <Pizbit> br33zy: The sudo apt-get update or hit reload in synaptic and install it?
[04:01] <robertj> how much does a p90 cost to run in electricity?
[04:01] <Uscfan> lunitik: come on dude any ideas?
[04:02] <Wildthing> no clue
[04:02] <StR34k> Pizbit, so i've been looking into the initfiles, and I was wondering where to put the hdparm command. I can't find anything like rc.local.
[04:02] <knathraak> Hi, wondering if anyone has experience getting lirc going?
[04:02] <Wildthing> it probably uses less power than the rest of our "more modern" computers
[04:02] <robertj> Especially here I know my computers drive up the ac bill, so I'd not touch the thing
[04:02] <Wildthing> lower frequency = lower power consumption
[04:02] <br33zy> Pizbit, iim in a terminal
[04:02] <br33zy> but yes
[04:02] <Pizbit> StR34k: Personally I cheated *g* 2secs
[04:02] <Wildthing> generally speaking
[04:02] <robertj> and I am a noise nazi
[04:02] <Roey> mjt:  I tested by doing it myself and the initrd.img that I made and the initrd.img that apt-get generated are exactly the same.
[04:02] <Roey> mjt:  yet I am sitll getting these errors.
[04:02] <Roey> mjt:  pivot_root -- what the heck is it anyway?
[04:02] <mako> robertj: looks like flash
[04:03] <StR34k> Pizbit, cheated eh? :) this sounds interesting.
[04:03] <mako> robertj: sorry dude. i don't do non-free software
[04:03] <Pizbit> br33zy: So apt-get install faac ?:)\
[04:03] <br33zy> of course
[04:03] <br33zy> not found
[04:03] <Pizbit> Universe isn't enabled then it sounds
[04:03] <lunitik> mako: whats up man... you never talk in here  :)
[04:03] <br33zy> i uncommented the two line Pizbit
[04:04] <br33zy> when i do an apt-get update it pulls universe
[04:04] <Pizbit> Ahh, it's in multiverse
[04:04] <PecK> didn't work at all for me with musicplayer under fedora 3... now installing ubuntu on the desktop too...
[04:04] <mako> lunitik: yeah.. i'm usually doing about 10 things at once :)
[04:04] <mako> lunitik: i sometimes talk in here
[04:04] <PecK> the aac stuff
[04:04] <robertj> mako: ahh, isn't there a free flash player?
[04:04] <br33zy> Pizbit, hm?
[04:04] <mako> lunitik: but usually when someone asks me a question
[04:04] <Pizbit> Throw in multiverse beside universe
[04:04] <mako> robertj: yes... but it's not very good
[04:04] <br33zy> ok
[04:04] <br33zy> Pizbit, in soruces.list?
[04:04] <mako> robertj: it crashed mozilla a bunch of times and i decided i was better off with out it
[04:04] <Pizbit> br33zy: Yup
[04:04] <PecK> amaroK is for KDE right?
[04:05] <moominski> yup
[04:05] <lunitik> mako: I think this is the first time I've seen you in here... heh... you seem to be one of the busier (sp) devels  :)
[04:05] <PecK> i'm running Gnome though
[04:05] <Pizbit> PecK: It is a KDE based app yes
[04:05] <Pizbit> PecK: You can run kde apps inside gnome
[04:05] <robertj> mako: basically it's a collection of gnome ui snaffoos and out and out bugs
[04:05] <br33zy> Pizbit, that's better, thanks
[04:05] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[04:05] <Pizbit> StR34k: Bah, trying to find the file I did up:)
[04:05] <regeya> indeed amaroK is kde-based, but it should work fine in gnome
[04:05] <Roey> mjt:  (hi?)
[04:05] <lunitik> PecK: Rhythmbox handles iPod
[04:05] <PecK> The graphics are OK and all?
[04:05] <moominski> ok now, wots that command to upgrade to kubuntu?
[04:05] <mako> robertj: good.. put the bugzilla bug numbers next to them :)
[04:05] <apokryphos> moominski: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:05] <moominski> thanks
[04:05] <regeya> I used to use rhythmbox under kde, so I'd say the opposite should work :-)
[04:05] <PecK> yeah lunitik that's what they say but mine wouldn't and I tried pretty much everything
[04:06] <Pizbit> StR34k: I'll do a pastebin
[04:06] <lunitik> PecK: no peticular configuration needed afaik... just works
[04:06] <Wildthing> wow...power consumption on a pentium 90 mhz cpu is 5 watts!
[04:06] <StR34k> Pizbit, a who whatsit?
[04:06] <PecK> so got tired of it am I changing distro
[04:06] <robertj> mako: I need to, the hard part is I don't know if they are Ubuntu or Gnome bugs
[04:06] <PecK> would have done sooner or later I think
[04:06] <lunitik> PecK: you have the little iPod logo in Rhythmbox? its only in the hoary release of Ubuntu...
[04:06] <PecK> fell in love with Ubuntu
[04:06] <Pizbit> StR34k: www.pastebin.com will give you the idea of what I'm doing:)
[04:06] <lunitik> uhh... well... its not a release yet... grrr
[04:06] <moominski> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:06] <StR34k> k
[04:06] <moominski> wots that mean
[04:06] <apokryphos> moominski: are you on warty?
[04:06] <moominski> i think so
[04:07] <apokryphos> moominski: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[04:07] <apokryphos> all the information there
[04:07] <PacoBCN> my laptop shuts down for over heating. Any way to prevent it?
[04:07] <PecK> Haven't tried on the laptop, cause I have no music on the laptop so no use
[04:07] <moominski> okl thanks
[04:07] <PecK> only used harddisk
[04:07] <PecK> haha dumb me
[04:07] <robertj> Why is there an iPod icon in Rhythmbox?
[04:07] <PecK> am goin to try right away
[04:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: converts, excellent. :D
[04:07] <robertj> I don't even have a USB mass storage device connected
[04:07] <lunitik> robertj: because it can access iPod data?
[04:07] <regeya> moominski: first, I'd ask in #kubuntu, really. :-)  Other than that, follow apokryphos's link
[04:08] <robertj> lunitik: so?
[04:08] <lunitik> apokryphos: blind converts are not good converts...
[04:08] <lunitik> robertj: what you mean 'so'?
[04:08] <Roey> heh
[04:08] <robertj> so why should there be an icon there?
[04:08] <apokryphos> lunitik: who said he was blind? ;)
[04:08] <Roey> can anyone help me with an ubuntu kernel boot problem?
[04:08] <lunitik> robertj: no idea... its there though  :/
[04:09] <lunitik> robertj: would be better if it just integrated into current playlist... but it doesn't... its by the internet radio side pane
[04:09] <robertj> lunitik: I think its fine, but it just shouldn't be there when an iPod is not
[04:09] <StR34k> Pizbit, nice.
[04:09] <robertj> I actually kind of like it, it's good to have a drag target there for moving stuff
[04:10] <lunitik> robertj: true enough... file a bug perhaps?
[04:10] <lewiz> Anybody here understand gstreamer?  I want to encode some CDs with Sound Juicer but have some more specific ogg encoding options.
[04:10] <lunitik> robertj: got to be a way to dynamically add the listing...
[04:10] <Pizbit> StR34k: Probably a 'proper way' but this seems to work for me http://www.pastebin.com/263564
[04:10] <cleit0n>  hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[04:10] <lunitik> lewiz: you need lame ... wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:11] <StR34k> Pizbit, Sweet thx :>
[04:11] <Pizbit> lunitik: I thought lame only did mp3s and not oggs?
[04:11] <lewiz> lunitik: No, I want to encode to oggs.  But I want a specific quality and maximum bitrate settings.
[04:11] <robertj> hehe, I have ereet bugzilla powers on gnome as well so I really should
[04:11] <lunitik> lewiz, Pizbi: ahh... I only read 'encode CDs'...
[04:11] <regeya> lewiz: man oggenc
[04:11] <robertj> one night lewis wasn't paying any attention and endowed me ;)
[04:12] <regeya> oggenc -q 6.5 -M 256 blah.wav
[04:12] <Pizbit> robertj: That sounds just a tad dodgy:)
[04:12] <robertj> apparently he thought I knew what I was doing and had a complex problem to solve when in fact I Just needed help doing something that was very simple
[04:12] <regeya> for a gui frontend, hard to beat grip for such things
[04:12] <lewiz> regeya: Yeah, I know how to use oggenc.  Problem is I don't know whow to write gstreamer pipelines, or whatever.
[04:12] <PecK> it does!!!
[04:12] <PecK> can't play it though
[04:12] <robertj> Pizbit: bahh, take it easy. I'm from America, I'm not a native English speaker.
[04:12] <lewiz> regeya: Yeah, grip is fairly handy but I quite like to Sound Juicer interface.  The only thing I want to change is the maximum bitrate.
[04:13] <regeya> oh.
[04:13] <regeya> well, I feel 0% sympathy for the second time tonight.
[04:13] <Pizbit> robertj: Meh, second english speaker means nothing. Many who are speak better english than native english speakers, but it does explain why you  took what I said the wrong way
[04:13] <Pizbit> n4cht: Short game huh?
[04:14] <robertj> I just don't care
[04:14] <Wildthing> geez...for comparison, a pentium @ 100 Mhz max power dissipation is 10 watts...for a 3.4 ghz p4 w/ HT, it's 115 watts...
[04:14] <n4cht> heh.  trying to get ETF to work.
[04:14] <Wildthing> that's a freaking huge difference
[04:15] <robertj> does it have pci slots?
[04:15] <Wildthing> this is just cpu by itself
[04:15] <Wildthing> but yeah the p90 has pci slots
[04:18] <black_nightmare> hey there
[04:19] <sabmoc> hi black_nightmare
[04:19] <ben0ne> helloooooo
[04:19] <zenwhen> aroo
[04:19] <black_nightmare> any of you know if digital cameras that are seen as removeable hd when hotplugged in is already supported [or can I download to support them?]  ?
[04:19] <black_nightmare> hey again sabmoc :p
[04:19] <pvoce> nopers...Im trying to find a FOSS internet broadcasting suite
[04:20] <lewiz> Is there any place I can find concise reasons for packages being updated?  I mean stuff like gdm upgrade x that changed the background colour, etc.
[04:20] <black_nightmare> the camera been used oftenly under winxp home (family's cpu BTW!! heh)
[04:20] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, the flash card might be mounted automatically, is that what you mean
[04:20] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, I have a usb printer with a flash card slot, the fc is automounted when i plug it in the slot
[04:21] <black_nightmare> sabmoc...no ....heh I said 'digital cameras that are seen as removeable hd' :)
[04:21] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, yes well what is the harddrive part, a flash card?
[04:21] <black_nightmare> hmm...I'm not so sure about that now...but .. I think yeah it might be CF inside
[04:22] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, is it non-removable?
[04:22] <mathmatt> black_n. my fuji finpix a330 is automounted
[04:22] <black_nightmare> mathmatt..and thats camera>usb>computer right?
[04:23] <mathmatt> yep
[04:23] <black_nightmare> ah ok...ty I'll have to try it... do I have to like apt-get anything in particular or not really?
[04:23] <mathmatt> works great on Hoary at least
[04:23] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, my cannon a75 is automounted too, but I dont ever plug it in, just use my printer slot
[04:23] <mathmatt> no installation needed
[04:24] <sabmoc> mathmatt, aint linux beautiful :)
[04:24] <black_nightmare> hmm ok...I'll have to try this camera tomorrow or something and see if it shows up as a drive just like winxp had been doing
[04:24] <black_nightmare> :-)
[04:25] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, if you are using gnome an icon should pop up on your desktop as soon as you plug it in
[04:25] <black_nightmare> ty
[04:25] <sabmoc> probably the same in kde but I havnet tried it
[04:25] <eruin> anyone know where to get Lsongs?
[04:26] <black_nightmare> well..I still am a bit too stumped with one internal hardware problem but then...whatever!!! lol
[04:26] <black_nightmare> tomorrow....try the camera and...as usual try find something to read about my problem
[04:26] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, your pci video card problem?
[04:26] <black_nightmare> sabmoc... no isa sound card
[04:26] <mathmatt> anyone with a rage card (Vaio) get tv out to work?  I've tried atitvout which detects my tv, but no luck.
[04:26] <black_nightmare> I don't even know what irq it is at all....just that its right there in isa slot #2
[04:26] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, eeewwww......
[04:27] <black_nightmare> Creative SoundBlaster 16 CT2230 [pnp isa card] 
[04:27] <Roey> hi
[04:27] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, but a SBLive card, they are cheep and very good
[04:27] <black_nightmare> sabmoc..and is that isa as well?
[04:27] <Roey> crimsun:  hi, back at square 1 with the wacom modules -- I installed but they didn't work still...
[04:27] <sabmoc> norris, pci
[04:27] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, pci
[04:28] <sabmoc> Roey, are you an artist?
[04:28] <black_nightmare> sabmoc...unless some electronic can physically replace isa for a pci....nope can't do
[04:28] <crimsun> Roey: using the custom debian/rules?
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  ah! no
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  lemme do that :)
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  hehe, forgot
[04:28] <Roey> sabmoc:  try to be one yeah
[04:28] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, ah so its a limited slot issue, thats too bad.
[04:28] <black_nightmare> would be nice if the card would work thou...especially that I have an actual 2-midi adapter cable here
[04:29] <black_nightmare> sabmoc....well 98se automatically picks up the card without asking for drivers at all
[04:29] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, SB16 is also a good card, Im prositive it should be able to work
[04:29] <black_nightmare> yeah sabmoc..thats what I'm trying to get to
[04:29] <black_nightmare> hehe
[04:29] <Roey> er
[04:29] <Roey> crimsun:  yeah it built them
[04:29] <crimsun> wait, I missed another sound card discussion?
[04:29] <Roey> crimsun:  and dmesg shows that wacom loaded before usbhid
[04:29] <crimsun> argh, too many things at once
[04:29] <black_nightmare> crimsun..no it just started :p
[04:29] <black_nightmare> LOL
[04:29] <black_nightmare> sorry :p
[04:29] <Roey> crimsun:  still though it doesn't work -- the extra wacom bits are not registering in the 'wacdump' program
[04:29] <sabmoc> Roey, thats cool
[04:29] <Roey> sabmoc:  you too?
[04:30] <fangorious> where are the window title bar icons specified for applications?
[04:30] <sabmoc> Roey, not really, I try
[04:30] <crimsun> Roey: I really have no idea about wacom, that was just what I read would help
[04:30] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[04:30] <black_nightmare> crimsun in general: creative sb16 pnp isa card > I'm trying to get it loaded so I can see the card in ubuntu yet
[04:30] <crimsun> black_nightmare: what sound card?
[04:30] <sabmoc> Roey, next thing I pick up for my computer will be a wacom
[04:30] <black_nightmare> lol..read above ^
[04:30] <crimsun> black_nightmare: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0
[04:30] <black_nightmare> its a CT2230 off the card itself
[04:30] <black_nightmare> ah ok...one second
[04:30] <jinxKat> sabmoc: how about just a bat
[04:31] <sabmoc> jinxKat, what bat?
[04:31] <fangorious> anyone?
[04:31] <jinxKat> a baseball bat to hit it with
[04:31] <vonschutter> does anyone know how to make it so that super karamba starts up on login  and loads the themes that I had oppen last time
[04:31] <crimsun> fangorious: /usr/share/pixmaps/  is one location
[04:31] <crimsun> fangorious: there are multiple directories
[04:31] <black_nightmare> crimsun..two error lines came up...
[04:31] <black_nightmare> FATAL: Error inserting snd_sb16 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16.ko): No such device
[04:31] <black_nightmare> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_sb16
[04:32] <sabmoc> jinxKat, you lost me, why would I hit my precious computer with a bat?
[04:32] <fangorious> crimsun, hm, already changed the one in /usr/share/pixmaps, will keep looking I guess
[04:32] <black_nightmare> sometimes I wonder where my computer thinks it is at ALL!! the card is bloody right there...lol
[04:32] <Roey> crimsun:  so yeah, I have no idea at this point
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  spare yourself the cash, support under linux sucks rocks.
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  look at what I'm going through
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  two weeks of utter HELL, following a year of inactivity (too lazy to do this)
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  on kernel 2.4.x everything was fine
[04:33] <sabmoc> Roey, hmm, I think I'll still pick it up
[04:33] <Roey> sabmoc:  comes 2.6.x and they chenge sound drivers, IDE drivers, wacom, and it fucks up *everything*.
[04:33] <crimsun> black_nightmare: is it a _true_ PnP model?
[04:33] <jinxKat> anyone wanna tell me teh advantages of switching from deb sarge to unbuntu
[04:33] <examndirtbag> hi all, i need a little help
[04:33] <PacoBCN> jinxKat, our beautiful community isn't enough? :)
[04:33] <sabmoc> Roey, I've switched to 2.6.2 as soon as it came out and havnt looked back.
[04:33] <hybrid> jinxKat ubuntu is sid
[04:33] <Roey> sabmoc:  ah
[04:34] <hybrid> jinxKat support is even better
[04:34] <Roey> sabmoc:  you're in for a surprise if you haven't yet upgraded past 2.6.7, because libata took over
[04:34] <jinxKat> PacoBCN: no
[04:34] <examndirtbag> im having problems with burning cd's
[04:34] <black_nightmare> crimsun once (under 98se anyhow that is) it was not even picking up the usb hub for no reason at bootup...so....I was like peering at back of computer going "huhhhh???" and decidely yank the usb cable out then plug it back in and immedately windows went into 'detecting new hardwares..' dialog for a second there
[04:34] <hybrid> and anything deb can do so can ubuntu
[04:34] <black_nightmare> and it worked fine afterward...that was weird thou
[04:34] <crimsun> black_nightmare: otherwise I need lspnp -v information
[04:34] <PacoBCN> jinxKat, well, in that case let's look for other reasons
[04:34] <black_nightmare> and crimsun -- yes the card is a pnp one I'm sure
[04:34] <black_nightmare> hmmm let me try that..one second
[04:34] <sabmoc> Roey, no, I mean I've been running 2.6 kernels since they came out with version 2.6.2 ..so.. for a while.
[04:34] <jinxKat> hybrid: debian support is good enough for me
[04:34] <PacoBCN> jinxKat, like the commitment of having a new release every 6 months?
[04:34] <helio7> hey all! bash question: if I want to copy a sequential series of files to a new dir, I'm using (cp *888* *889* *890* *891* *892 /new/path/) is there an easier way anyone can share with me?
[04:35] <black_nightmare> bash: lspnp: command not found
[04:35] <crimsun> helio7: $(seq 888 892)
[04:35] <black_nightmare> grrr ^
[04:35] <black_nightmare> was I supposed to sudo that command or no?
[04:35] <sabmoc> helio7, well.. thats a lot of asterics already
[04:35] <jroes> hmm
[04:35] <sabmoc> helio7, what is the actuall file name
[04:35] <jroes> this seems a little out of date possibly:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/copy_of_BurningIsoHowto/view?searchterm=burn%20cd
[04:35] <helio7> well a sample filename is 050327_4888.jpg
[04:36] <hybrid> jinxKat free pressed cds
[04:36] <jinxKat> 6month release cycles sarge is pretty up to date
[04:36] <sabmoc> jroes, then dust it off and update my friend :)
[04:36] <jinxKat> cds are practically free i don't mind burning
[04:36] <jroes> it's not in the wiki
[04:36] <jroes> should I just email something a little newer to someone
[04:36] <jroes> I'd like to include how to burn a .bin file as well, but I'm going to have to hunt that down :)
[04:37] <satty> lunitik: Thanks for the help with Rhythmbox and mp3.
[04:37] <sabmoc> jroes, make a new wiki page, put a link to the old outdated version, send a email to the mailing list with the url of the updated version and someone should get on it.
[04:37] <jroes> cool :)
[04:37] <black_nightmare> crimsun - its just that if 98se picked it up with no problem it has to be PnP-abled .... or am I actually very wrong? :p
[04:38] <jroes> oh, actually it was on the wiki
[04:38] <crimsun> helio7: for i in $(seq 888 892); do cp 050327_4$i.jpg /new/path/; done
[04:38] <jroes> I just didn't realize
[04:38] <lewiz> Anybody know of a way to connect two machines together without using a crossover cable?  Is there some clever flag to pass to ifconfig?  Or do I absolutely have to go grab that switch?  :P
[04:38] <crimsun> black_nightmare: you're actually very wrong.
[04:38] <crimsun> (unfortunately)
[04:39] <sabmoc> jroes, some wiki pages are locked so you cant edit them, thats what I thought you meant.
[04:39] <black_nightmare> ic....hmmm
[04:39] <jroes> ahh
[04:39] <nanaem> good morning foks! have a short and probebly simple Q. is there any program that i can use _from_ windows to reach my linux files that is on the same disk? running 2K with U.
[04:39] <caffinated> lewiz: or modify the cable yourself.  the pinouts for a crossover are not complicated.
[04:39] <black_nightmare> one second
[04:39] <sabmoc> foks? lol
[04:39] <PacoBCN> nanaem, yes
[04:39] <sabmoc> nanaem, not really
[04:39] <lewiz> caffinated: Okay.  I'll have to go grab the switch.  It won't take long but it would have been handy.  I've not got any cable or a crimping tool here :P
[04:39] <nanaem> yes and no :)
[04:40] <sabmoc> listen to PacoBCN
[04:40] <PacoBCN> nanaem, there is a free software called Explore2(something)
[04:40] <PacoBCN> nanaem, let me look for it
[04:40] <HarryBahls> Anybody has a favorite news client they use for binaries? My favorite for win32 was Xnews, but there's no linux equiv.
[04:40] <PacoBCN> nanaem, however, it's for reading not writing it
[04:40] <sabmoc> HarryBahls, pan
[04:40] <caffinated> lewiz: the last time i had that problem and was in a hurry, it was a swiss army knife and duct tape.  my network engineer friend almost blew a fuse heh.
[04:40] <Pizbit> explore2fs iirc
[04:41] <black_nightmare> crimsun here we are and mine's CT2230 just for the info anyhow http://www.rk86.com/th99/i/C-D/53581.htm
[04:41] <PacoBCN> nanaem, Pizbit said it, it's Explore2fs
[04:41] <nanaem> ah, thx for the info. i'll go check it out... thx again...
[04:41] <black_nightmare> doesn't even list card irq so it can't be non-pnp (unless its locked to only one irq which is not describled then)
[04:41] <sabmoc> cool, I didnt know
[04:42] <helio7> thanks crimsun that worked great where should I go to learn that bash language?  is there a good book or resource you would recommend for learning stuff like that?  ((for i in $(seq 888 892); do cp 050327_4$i.jpg /new/path/; done))
[04:42] <stazich> b
[04:42] <Pizbit> Forgotten what it's called though, deleted windows ages ago
[04:42] <Pizbit> helio7: You're going to hate me for this, but google bash howto, there's at least a trillion:D
[04:42] <dts> i can't get postgresql to work because I don't know the initial password and user information
[04:42] <black_nightmare> or also www.teoma.com too :p
[04:43] <crimsun> helio7: tldp.org, check the bash scripting how-tos, tutorials, etc.
[04:43] <crimsun> helio7: and of course, read the man page.
[04:43] <aghaster> hi
[04:43] <lewiz> caffinated: Heh.  Got the switch now.  Much easier than messing about with crimping tools anyway ;)
[04:43] <aghaster> gcc doesnt come with hoary?
[04:43] <lunitik> aghaster: apt-get install build-essential
[04:43] <black_nightmare> aghaster... do 'apt-get gcc' in terminal
[04:43] <helio7> naw Pizbit thank you i'm actually taking a class currently called Intro to Unix/Linux using the Bash shell, but the language part of it isn't included really, it's too shallow a course... thanks crimsun
[04:43] <black_nightmare> its there
[04:44] <lunitik> aghaster: and to make life easier... apt-get build-dep pkg whenever you want to compile something...
[04:44] <lunitik> else you get to figure it out as you go... wich is no fun.
[04:44] <examndirtbag> i get an error when i try to write a cd:  The system is too slow to write the CD at this speed. Try a lower speed.
[04:44] <aghaster> lunitik is there a list of packages i can get easily like that?
[04:44] <lunitik> which*
[04:44] <Vjaz> Isn't the Macromedia Flash plugins supposed to work with ESD?
[04:44] <Pizbit> Yeah it is
[04:44] <black_nightmare> crimsun nevermind I'm going to bed now anyhow
[04:44] <Vjaz> It never seems to work for me.
[04:44] <black_nightmare> see you tomorrow or so
[04:44] <black_nightmare> bye now
[04:44] <Bukkake> Uhm . . . I was just looking (and comparing) the php info files (<?php phpinfo(); ?>)from my web host that I bought to locally with what I've managed to set up with apache2 and whatnot.. in it, it _seems_ that mysql, on my part, isn't somehow configured (or enabled) with apache3 . . . first of all, where is the configuration file for apache2 located . . . sorry, I'm new to apache (and Linux)
[04:44] <Bukkake> apache2*
[04:44] <lunitik> aghaster: the deb-src listings in /etc/apt/sources.list allow you to do that...
[04:45] <Bukkake> !ping
[04:45] <Bukkake> !ping
[04:45] <smouche> folks, I'm completely stumped by an annoying little problem with desktop graphics-- hope someone can enlighten me
[04:45] <Skaaa> haha bukakke
[04:45] <caffinated> lewiz: you bet :)
[04:45] <smouche> 24-bit color, widescreen laptop
[04:45] <lunitik> aghaster: also -b and source (which can be used together...)
[04:45] <crimsun> Vjaz: yes.  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[04:45] <Vjaz> It did work with a game called N, which was bundled with it's own Flash player. Sort of standalone.
[04:45] <Vjaz> crimsun: Hm... ok.
[04:45] <Skaaa> does anyone know any windows help channels on IRC?
[04:45] <smouche> photos look great, but any gradient wallpaper looks horrible
[04:46] <lunitik> Skaaa: not on freenode I'd imagine
[04:46] <Skaaa> damn
[04:46] <lunitik> Skaaa: efnet has one afaik
[04:46] <sabmoc> Skaaa, this is pretty much all open source server afaik, you'll have to find a different server.
[04:46] <eruin> "Windows help channel" :P
[04:46] <smouche> not just wallpaper, but gradients applied to background color-- horrible looking -- any ideas?
[04:46] <Skaaa> I feel like such an idiot coming here for windows and linux help
[04:46] <Skaaa> just wondering
[04:47] <helio7> 'bash scripting' and 'bash programming' is more or less the same right?
[04:47] <lunitik> Skaaa: /newserver irc.efnet.org
[04:47] <sabmoc> helio7, yep
[04:48] <coreDumped69> anybody here with experience in dual monitor setups, xinerama?
[04:48] <Skaaa> yo core dumped, i am having problems with mine, maybe we have the same problem?
[04:49] <Vjaz> crimsun: Wow. It did help. Thanks. Makes me wonder how the Flash plugin is ever supposed to work with ESD if it only supports version 1.x, which doesn't exist...
[04:49] <coreDumped69> I'm helping a friend, he's got onboard i810 and a savage card... we can get each card to work on its own, but not both together...
[04:49] <crimsun> Vjaz: yeah, blame the Macromedia folks.
[04:49] <Skaaa> not the  same problem as me, but I know that often times making an onboard card work with another card is not sucessful
[04:50] <Vjaz> crimsun: You sound sarcastic. Are you?
[04:50] <Skaaa> i tried it and ended up giving up and buying a card that supports dual monitors
[04:50] <Skaaa> although I am still having problems :-\
[04:51] <crimsun> Vjaz: no, I'm being serious.
[04:51] <kerframil> hi. is it possible to instruct apt to recurse the dependencies of say, gnome-desktop, and show me the versions of all packages that are installed that satisfy it?
[04:51] <jroes> anyone know how I could burn a .bin file in Ubuntu?
[04:51] <coreDumped69> doh, this is a turning point of whether I can get him to stay with linux or not
[04:51] <kerframil> jroes: try bin2iso
[04:51] <coreDumped69> jroes, got a cue file as well?
[04:52] <jroes> coreDumped69: yup
[04:52] <coreDumped69> cdrdao
[04:52] <GhostFaceKilla> vlc does not pop onto my gnome menu
[04:52] <GhostFaceKilla> why?
[04:52] <GhostFaceKilla> and how do I put it there?
[04:52] <jroes> kerframil: hm, that's not in the default packages, I guess I should really add those extra sources
[04:53] <kerframil> jroes: hmm, it appears that it isn't in any of the standard sources. you could try cdrdao as suggested or look for a source at apt-get.org I suppose.
[04:53] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: hoary?
[04:53] <jroes> cdrdao isn't in the default sources
[04:54] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, yes
[04:54] <kerframil> jroes: it's in universe
[04:54] <kerframil> jroes: also, the rarewares.org repo has it
[04:54] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: which vlc-related packages do you have installed, just vlc, or wxvlc, too?
[04:55] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, yeah both
[04:56] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: ok, I'll fix that.  Thanks for reporting.
[04:56] <kerframil> jroes: they may be in your sources.list file already but commented. also, apt-config can be handy for this sort of thing.
[04:57] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, no problem. I found a "bug"?
[04:57] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: a goof-up on my part, yes.
[04:58] <jroes> hmm
[04:58] <crimsun> jroes: wget.
[04:58] <difekta> does anyone know how to select which hash alg you want gpg to use when you sign?
[04:59] <jroes> haha :)
[04:59] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, in general one can't manually edit menus in Gnome 2.10?
[04:59] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: correct, though hopefully there will be one for Breezy.
[04:59] <GhostFaceKilla> Breezy?
[05:00] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: the next Ubuntu stable release following Hoary.
[05:02] <StR34k> hello
[05:02] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, wait that long until one is able to edit the menus? What have to wai tfor the next Gnome release? Don't they know this is a problem to leave out this feature?
[05:03] <ice_1963> how can i get synaptic to work in kubuntu
[05:03] <kerframil> GhostFaceKilla: it has caused some controversy indeed - you can still make .desktop entries in /usr/share/applications though
[05:03] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: I think the general consensus it's not really a big problem
[05:03] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, or are all packagers expected to make their apps automagically appear in the menu, unlike yours did?;)
[05:03] <kerframil> GhostFaceKilla: there is also denu.sourceforge.net
[05:03] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: it's up to the packagers.
[05:04] <hou5ton> I have worked hard to figure out why I can't get sounds to work in Xchat on Hoary. I had them working in Warty. If I put in the path to a particular program to play a sound file, it will work then, but opens a new instance of that application each time
[05:04] <GhostFaceKilla> wow
[05:04] <hou5ton> but the automatic doesn't work
[05:04] <hou5ton> i show that aplay is in /usr/bin
[05:04] <hou5ton> and xchat supposedly uses that
[05:04] <GhostFaceKilla> weird Gnome went that route
[05:04] <difekta> it's the woo
[05:04] <difekta> tang
[05:04] <difekta> yo, i bomb atomically..socrates philosophies and hypotheses..
[05:05] <difekta> can't define how i be droppin these.
[05:05] <GhostFaceKilla> difekta, yeah yeha yeah
[05:05] <Roey> hello again
[05:05] <difekta> they didn't play when i went to see them with rage.
[05:05] <eruin> "socrates philosophies and hypotheses"?
[05:05] <eruin> 1 out of 10 points for lyrics
[05:05] <Bukkake> tiny question: should I use phpmyadmin to for account administration?
[05:05] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, lyrics
[05:05] <difekta> can't define how i be droppin these..mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery.  flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me.
[05:06] <GhostFaceKilla> LOL
[05:06] <errr> #wu-tabg :D
[05:06] <ice_1963> =)
[05:06] <difekta> i've seen, and given five to, ODB and Raekwon
[05:06] <errr> wu-tang*
[05:06] <eruin> ugh, I've always said american music sucks, sorry.
[05:06] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:06] <difekta> they played in the small college town of Lawrence kansas.
[05:06] <difekta> where do you live eruin ?
[05:07] <Roey> can anyone help me out with this weird problem in booting Ubuntu? I get this when I boot the standard kernel:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/a76TwZ20.html
[05:07] <eruin> norway, europe
[05:07] <difekta> i live in san francisco and i think tons of us music rocks.
[05:07] <difekta> you like sigur ros?
[05:07] <eruin> yes
[05:07] <difekta> i love them.
[05:07] <scottj> I installed tomboy from ubuntu and it worked once but while I was changing my prefs it crashed and now when I try to add it to the panel it says "The panel encountered a problem while loading ". Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? -- Now I can't get it to load up anymore, even after logging out
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, if by "suck" you mean influenced just about everyone on the planet....yeah it sucks..
[05:07] <eruin> the best part is I understand his lyrics ;)
[05:07] <Bukkake> Little question: how can I view my harddrive info on command-line?
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> and wtf is "american music"?
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> thats like "american water"?
[05:07] <eruin> anything stemming from america ;)
[05:08] <difekta> i like sigur ros, radiohead, keane, coldplay, etc., and i still love wu tang..50 cent..
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[05:08] <Bukkake> I'll give a little kiss to whomever answers my question :x
[05:08] <eruin> and rap/hiphop in particular ;P
[05:08] <difekta> elliot smith didn't suck.
[05:08] <Skaaa> what the fuck?
[05:08] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, lol, I kid you...but sounds liek the dreaded <gasp> "anti-americanism"
[05:08] <eruin> the beatles sucked, I'll giv eyou that too :P
[05:08] <difekta> you should check out my music eruin at brokenladder.com
[05:08] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: nah, don't suffer from that
[05:08] <jroes> hmn
[05:08] <Bukkake> Little question: how can I view my harddrive info on command-line . . . ? :s
[05:09] <jroes> cdrecord just doesn't like my box
[05:09] <Whiffle> hey woah how'd i end up on an ubuntu server..
[05:09] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, good, I always say: dislike what you will, just have a good reason for it at least
[05:09] <Whiffle> oh well, i use ubuntu :-P
[05:09] <kerframil> Bukkake: sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda
[05:09] <Bukkake> thank yhou
[05:09] <kerframil> Bukkake: you can also cat the various files under, say, /proc/ide/hda/
[05:10] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: the problem is probably that any good music coming out of there is drowned by the commercialized crap
[05:10] <GhostFaceKilla> I just fixed my dma on my rom drives today
[05:10] <Bukkake> Ahh .. thanks again
[05:10] <kerframil> Bukkake: and review dmesg ... dmesg | less
[05:10] <lewiz> Yey.  Cute little cursors.
[05:10] <spreda> ubuntu (warty) dials out, establishs a connection with my isp. various logs contain the host and remote ip numbers, but firefox, xchat, apt don't seem to connect. any clues, please? the user owns everything, as far as I can see
[05:10] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, I TOTALLY agree and can't stand the comercial trash....corpro-pop-foo
[05:11] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: yeh, the stuff swamps the lists, music shows and everything here, holding back the good music
[05:12] <eruin> and since most of that music is from the usa, I've come to despise _any_ music originating from it..
[05:12] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, I'm running nicotine now, seems the euros love soulseek, and I have been downloading lots of various stuff
[05:12] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, if you are on it, lets share some time?
[05:12] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: sorry, I'm not.. I only use BT ;-)
[05:12] <Skaaa> this sounds stupid, but i need help with *COUGH* a windows computer. I dont know where else to go.
[05:12] <eruin> thepiratebay.org ;>
[05:13] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, how do you BT with no search engine?
[05:13] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: by using the one above :P
[05:13] <eruin> and my trusty old companion, gnome-btdownload
[05:13] <eruin> ;)
[05:13] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, don't riddle me now man? The one above? What God?
[05:14] <eruin> it's in swedish though
[05:14] <eruin> finding your way around shouldnt be too difficult
[05:14] <eruin> sk = search ;>
[05:15] <GhostFaceKilla> yeah, thats why i don't use BT for music...
[05:15] <GhostFaceKilla> I'm not smart enough
[05:15] <eruin> that site is the very best thing for albums dc++ aside
[05:15] <GhostFaceKilla> finding what you want is such a hassle
[05:16] <josue> what is a good mail applet besides mail notification and gnubiff guys?
[05:16] <eruin> and it's responsible for atleast 50 of my most recent album purchases ;)
[05:16] <GhostFaceKilla> and I don't speak 5 languages because I'm an ignorant american..stuck with inly one language
[05:16] <eruin> josue: flink
[05:16] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: lol
[05:16] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:16] <eruin> and I'd have thought you knew atleast mexican
[05:16] <GhostFaceKilla> LOL
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> only the president speaks "mexican"
[05:17] <eruin> hahaha
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> I know a lil spanish though?
[05:17] <josue> hey eruin, thanks
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> Is that the same?;)
[05:17] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: mostly
[05:17] <eruin> ;)
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> how about spanglish?
[05:17] <eruin> josue salazar
[05:18] <eruin> :p
[05:18] <eruin> spanglish
[05:18] <Guilmon> the most obsurd picture... http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1111975151379.jpg
[05:18] <Guilmon> ;)
[05:18] <GhostFaceKilla> ebonics?
[05:18] <eruin> my girlfriend has been trying to teach me spanish after she was in bolivia
[05:18] <josue> lol yep
[05:18] <eruin> my spanish resembles spanglish I think
[05:18] <eruin> :P
[05:18] <josue> mexicano?
[05:18] <josue> wtf
[05:18] <josue> you guys are lost
[05:19] <josue> lol
[05:19] <GhostFaceKilla> latinas estas muy caliente!
[05:19] <eruin> very much so ;)
[05:19] <eruin> :D
[05:19] <eruin> si, si
[05:19] <GhostFaceKilla> I have to finish spanish in order to get my degree
[05:19] <eruin> Guilmon: is that the absurdly annoying woman they keep talking about in the media day in and day out?
[05:19] <GhostFaceKilla> looking for a good latina to "tutor" me
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: yes :(
[05:20] <eruin> Guilmon: gosh, I hate that
[05:20] <eruin> Guilmon: any sensible human being would say pull the plug
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: there are deaths like this every day in hospitals, how come this woman gets fame?
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: ditto
[05:20] <josue> las chicas latinas son unas ricas!
[05:20] <josue> :)
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: Its getting real annoying to where, I just wish she would die already
[05:20] <eruin> and the whole "president aborts easter holidays to sign new law" thing is becoming a giant farse
[05:20] <Guilmon> shes been 9 days without food or water
[05:20] <eruin> Guilmon: same.
[05:21] <josue> hmm.
[05:21] <josue> Guilmon agreed also
[05:21] <eruin> I want INTERESTING news
[05:21] <eruin> IMPORTANT news
[05:21] <Roey> what are the nvidia packages for xorg?
[05:21] <josue> may i recommend a good article about Terri?
[05:21] <Guilmon> the husband should be charged with murder though, since he could have just handed her to her parents
[05:21] <eruin> not some mumbojumbo about some random dead woman
[05:21] <eruin> :/
[05:21] <Roey> Guilmon:  absolutely
[05:21] <Guilmon> the guy has a slut and 2 kids which aren't terri schivos
[05:21] <GhostFaceKilla> because its good for the religious fundemental freaks in this country to rally around...it also takes away from Senator Frists criminal activities...Like the MJ "trial"
[05:21] <jinxKat> there are nvidia packages for xorg
[05:22] <josue> blog post from yestterday
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: most likely
[05:22] <josue> http://outtacontext.com/life/archive/000290.shtml
[05:22] <Roey> jinxKat:  did you say there are or there are not
[05:22] <jinxKat> Roey: was asking a question
[05:22] <GhostFaceKilla> Guilmon, I'm in FL
[05:22] <Bukkake> I'm on command-line at mysql.. heaven forbid, I don't need to get case-sensative now, do I?
[05:22] <GhostFaceKilla> Its a fiasco
[05:22] <Roey> what's religiously fundamental about a parent's right to protect their kid's life?
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: yep.
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: it will be over soon, don't worry
[05:22] <Roey> jinxKat:  yeah there are I just forgot the package names
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: I give her 1 day, 2 at the max.
[05:23] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, its not up to her parents anymore...has'nt been for a long time
[05:23] <geneo93> x-window-system-core this package slows down your computer
[05:23] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  I think you're full of it.
[05:23] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: actually, there will be more. They will probably fight over how she will be buried ;)
[05:23] <geneo93> why is that
[05:23] <Roey> Guilmon:  they very much will fight
[05:23] <GhostFaceKilla> Her nervous system is toast
[05:24] <GhostFaceKilla> what life...shes been dead for years
[05:24] <Roey> Guilmon:  the husband wants to destroy evi^W^Wcremate her
[05:24] <eruin> Roey: what life are you talking about?
[05:24] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  so what does the husband care?
[05:24] <GhostFaceKilla> and why am I "full of it' again?
[05:24] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  he's made his life with another woman and their two kids
[05:24] <Guilmon> Roey: heh. and the parents want a burial ;)
[05:24] <jinxKat> mwa aah ha ha
[05:24] <eruin> ohwell
[05:24] <Dreamer3> gets hot?
[05:24] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  what the hell does he want from her if she's been "dead for years"?
[05:24] <Guilmon> jinxKat: this is an intellectual conversation. I think people can act like grown ups here
[05:24] <eruin> one thing norway and the us has i common is that the country is run by religious fanatics
[05:24] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, its not about what he cares...only in he cares enough to carry out his wifes last wishes...which was clearly not to be left in a vegative state
[05:25] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  but she is not in a PVS
[05:25] <jinxKat> bite me
[05:25] <Guilmon> eruin: agreed.
[05:25] <Guilmon> eruin: aka Republicans ;)
[05:25] <Roey> eh
[05:25] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, well thats for the doctors to debate, not Sen. Frist via satelite
[05:25] <Roey> at least the country isn't being run by liberals, thank god.
[05:25] <eruin> we've got a mix of rightwing immigrant-unfriendly f*cks and the people's christian party
[05:25] <eruin> you do the math
[05:25] <Guilmon> Roey: I'm neutral ;)
[05:26] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  to debate while she's being starved to death brutally?
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, how did we get on "liberals" and who running the country?
[05:26] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  someone said republicans, so I said liberals.
[05:26] <eruin> define "liberals"
[05:26] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: liberals were brought up in the news
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> you can "starve to death" someone who is dead
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:26] <smouche> jesus, here we are in Florida.  The twilight zone of the United States.  Fuck.  Back to #kubuntu.
[05:26] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: they argue to save convicts from the death sentence, but they don't fight for schivo.
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> none said "repulicans" did they?
[05:27] <GhostFaceKilla> Guilmon, who again?
[05:27] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: the liberals
[05:27] <GhostFaceKilla> lol, oh THEM...lol
[05:27] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: they are stupid morons who are confused.
[05:27] <eruin> one could easily argue that life in jail is a worse sentence than death penalty
[05:27] <GhostFaceKilla> yeah yeah
[05:27] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: I think I'll buy the book, "liberals explained"
[05:27] <GhostFaceKilla> death to liberals
[05:27] <GhostFaceKilla> and all that
[05:27] <Roey> eruin:  tree-hugging marijuana-smoking israel-hating pedantic pretentious dhimmi fucks who are so "concerned" with their public perception that they miss the forest for the trees.
[05:27] <GhostFaceKilla> sieg heil!
[05:27] <eruin> anyway, both republicans and democrats are asshats
[05:28] <eruin> Roey: what is there to like about israel?
[05:28] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, exactly
[05:28] <Guilmon> eruin: agreed
[05:28] <Roey> eruin:  let's not go there.
[05:28] <eruin> Israel should be relieved of its territory
[05:28] <Roey> ?
[05:28] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:28] <eruin> human-rights violating governments and secret-nuclear-programme states don't have the right to live
[05:28] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, LOL, what out there, you might get banned...The owner of Freenode is a Zionist
[05:28] <smouche> Glad everyone's ubuntu systems are running so smoothly, obviously no life-support required.  What is this, CNN?
[05:29] <sabmoc> eruin, if you want to bash governments do it elsewhere
[05:29] <eruin> Israel as a nation and jews is hardly the same thing though
[05:29] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, LOL see
[05:29] <sabmoc> eruin, ubuntu is non political
[05:29] <spreda_> ubuntu (warty) dials out, establishs a connection with my isp. various logs contain the host and remote ip numbers, but firefox, xchat, apt don't seem to connect. any clues, please? the user owns everything, as far as I can see, and it all works on diff OS on same box
[05:29] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, you beter run
[05:29] <eruin> I'll stfu
[05:30] <geneo93> spreda i use pppd to connect
[05:30] <sabmoc> eruin, :) Im not agreeing or disagreeing, just saying 'please dont do that here'
[05:30] <spreda_> so do I
[05:30] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  that freaking zionist jew eh? he should be shot, right?
[05:30] <geneo93> set it up manualy in terminal
[05:30] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, ubuntu is non political ?!? LOL since when? What does ubuntu mean again? If the definition of Ubuntu is NOT politicall wtf is? Thats the ONLY reason I use Ubuntu, is for its political stance. JC
[05:30] <Roey> this is the problem with freenode... all these kuro5hin-class neohippies.
[05:31] <eruin> sabmoc: no worries, I just tend to get annoyed by ignorant fools voicing opinions like the last one in this channel ;)
[05:33] <Roey> me too.
[05:33] <spreda_> geneo93: I was connected for more than an hour without being able to get anything to work
[05:34] <Whiffle> i installed ubuntu last night and I am liking it very much :D
[05:35] <geneo93> spreda_:  well mine was the same way till i set it up the way it is now
[05:35] <spreda_> geneo93: what simple thing have I missed
[05:35] <geneo93> pppconfig and set that up
[05:36] <spreda_> did that, and it connnects to the isp
[05:36] <geneo93> none of the gui apps work
[05:36] <geneo93> pap/chap
[05:37] <spreda_> geneo93: apt didn't either
[05:37] <spreda_> pap
[05:37] <synd> hi guys
[05:37] <geneo93> spreda_:  try ifconfig and see whats blocking it
[05:37] <Tegk> Is anyone here having any issues with firefox? It seems that running 2.6.11, each time I close firefox after doing some browsing, my entire system locks up.
[05:38] <njan> Tegk, firefox has been a little unstable for me recently, but I put it down to my system being hacked to death
[05:38] <synd> where do i find the package "ndiswrapper-utils" ?
[05:38] <synd> i launched synaptic
[05:38] <spreda_> gen actually on thesame box, diff os ATM
[05:38] <synd> but its not there
[05:39] <synd> im trying to get ubuntu to recognize my wireless card in my PC
[05:39] <Tegk> njan: Hacked to death? In what manner? This is a fresh hoary install. Perhaps I need to redo my iptables
[05:39] <Pizbit> spreda_: It's probably in universe or more likely multiverse so you'd need those enabled.
[05:39] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:39] <njan> Tegk, I meant that my installation of warty is hacked to death :)
[05:39] <Pizbit> spreda_: Oops, wrong person:)
[05:40] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: I'm test-building.
[05:40] <Pizbit> synd: Read what I just said
[05:40] <spreda_> geneo93: actually on the same box, diff os ATM
[05:40] <Tegk> I see.
[05:41] <Tegk> synd: I think you're looking for ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source.
[05:41] <synd> yeah
[05:41] <Jeezis> synd: use apt-get install ndiswrapper
[05:41] <synd> sorry guys i just got Ubuntu up and running yesterday.
[05:41] <yoko-omo> is there a place to go to find all gnome/ubuntu keyboard shortcuts?
[05:41] <spreda_> Pizbit: np
[05:41] <yoko-omo> synd: no reason to apologize
[05:41] <Tegk> Well this is just bloody strange. Any ideas of where I could find some logs that might indicate WTH is going wrong in these crashes?
[05:41] <synd> aint ever used linux before.. but i am fluent with OSX !
[05:41] <Jeezis> synd: lol
[05:42] <Pizbit> yoko-omo: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts for gnome
[05:42] <Tegk> Ever use the term on OSX, synd?
[05:42] <synd> ndiswrapper on OSX? sure havent
[05:42] <Pizbit> Tegk: ahhh!
[05:42] <Tegk> No, the terminal, the console.
[05:42] <Tegk> ?
[05:42] <Pizbit> Tegk: What version of nvidia drivers?
[05:43] <synd> ohhh yeah
[05:43] <synd> its similar
[05:43] <Tegk> Me, no nvidia. This is an older (Who am I kidding, ancient) box, neomagic chipset.
[05:43] <synd> from what ive seen as of yet
[05:43] <Pizbit> Tegk: Doh, sounded just like a problem with the latest set of nvidia drivers heh
[05:43] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:43] <Tegk> synd: Very similar, though, I believe OSX uses a c shell.
[05:44] <Tegk> So, in the terminal apt-get install ndiswrapper[-util|-source] 
[05:44] <alfie> allo
[05:44] <Dreamer3> are there any new distros on linux specifically designed to run on older boxes (64mb ram) with X, browser, e-mail, etc?
[05:44] <synd> type apt-get install ndiswrapper[-util|-source] 
[05:44] <Dreamer3> ubuntu is just about unusable
[05:44] <yoko-omo> anyone wanna try and help me with a problem with firefox?
[05:44] <synd> into terminal?
[05:44] <crimsun> Dreamer3: dsl?
[05:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ?
[05:45] <Tegk> yoko: what's going on?
[05:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I have a 32 MB machine that crunches along with Ubuntu
[05:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it runs blackbox
[05:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah...
[05:45] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Damn Small Linux or whatever it is?
[05:45] <Tegk> synd: yes, but just choose one ending at a time. Source would be your best bet first
[05:45] <crimsun> 8-bit colour
[05:45] <yoko-omo> Tegk: everytime I log onto some sites, they crash firefox
[05:45] <yoko-omo> for instance, www.milwaukeebrewers.com
[05:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: good thought
[05:46] <geneo93> why wont nicotine connect
[05:46] <yoko-omo> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> The error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)'.
[05:46] <yoko-omo>   (Details: serial 51 error_code 172 request_code 149 minor_code 2)
[05:46] <yoko-omo>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[05:46] <Pizbit> yoko-omo: Don't spam us.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> shoot
[05:46] <yoko-omo> sorry
[05:46] <yoko-omo> :(
[05:46] <yoko-omo> didn't mean to do that to this window
[05:46] <Tegk> yoko- try starting it from the terminal, and let me know what error it blows out on exit.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> that is what it blows out
[05:47] <Tegk> sorry
[05:47] <akk> yoko-omo: A lot of times, crashes like that are from a plugin, like flash.
[05:47] <yoko-omo> akk: I see, so reinstall the mozilla-flash?
[05:47] <yoko-omo> or just delete it?
[05:47] <Tegk> I missed that. Try that
[05:48] <Tegk> though, it sounds alot like an X error (shm being an X extention)
[05:49] <yoko-omo> well, it crashes firefox completely
[05:49] <yoko-omo> and it's not on every site
[05:49] <Tegk> Only ones with flash, correct?
[05:50] <yoko-omo> not sure, since I can't view them :)
[05:50] <maxchee> does anyone know how to start ubuntu without starting x
[05:50] <maxchee> and how to properly shut down x
[05:51] <sysrq> maxchee: gdm starts automaticly, you can remove the initscript if you don't want it to
[05:51] <maxchee> anyone?
[05:51] <Tegk> Maxchee: 1: Remove [G/K/X] DM from your startup scripts. 2: The proper way is to just end your windowmanager.
[05:51] <yoko-omo> it works
[05:51] <yoko-omo> omg it works
[05:51] <Tegk> That's good!
[05:52] <yoko-omo> I didn't check but apparently I had installed libflash-mozplugin and not flashplayer-mozilla
[05:52] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:52] <Tegk> mhz: Tried google? Oh, and check the SANE site. They have a list of supported scanners.
[05:53] <maxchee> Tegk: killall metacity?
[05:53] <synd> Tegk: im still lost with this ndiswrapper-utils deal
[05:53] <mhz> Tegk: I have read a lot and googled too, that is why I am herjust in case someone has.
[05:53] <Tegk> Well, what are you trying to do, specifically?
[05:53] <maxchee> Tegk: also, how to prevent it from restarting?
[05:53] <Tegk> NDISwrapper is not a simple install (unfortunately.)
[05:53] <Pizbit> maxchee: If [xgk] dm init scripts have been removed X wont restart
[05:54] <crimsun> maxchee: the simplest way is to rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*
[05:54] <Tegk> See above:
[05:54] <synd> well it's the only way I can get this wireless card to be recognized by Ubuntu, right?
[05:54] <Tegk> ahh
[05:54] <Tegk> wait.
[05:54] <maxchee> I just thought that qemu+kqemu might run faster without the overhead of gdm
[05:54] <Tegk> just checked the site
[05:55] <Tegk> Do you have the ndiswrapper site in your sources.list ? (Check /etc/apt/
[05:55] <Tegk> )
[05:55] <synd> how do i check that
[05:55] <Tegk> just look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:56] <Pizbit> Tegk: It's all very well to look somewhere, but useless if you don't know what to look for.
[05:56] <Tegk> I don't think you do, but just try the following at your console: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source
[05:56] <Tegk> pizbit: Sorry, I know, i get ahead of myself somemtimes.
[05:57] <synd> yeah, it's not showing it in the sources.list
[05:57] <Tegk> That's fine. Did you try the command?
[05:57] <synd> yup
[05:57] <synd> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:57] <synd> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:57] <synd> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-source
[05:57] <Roey> hi
[05:58] <Pizbit> synd: Enable universe and multiverse by reading this, then try installing ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:59] <synd> how exactly do i enable universe and multiverse
[06:00] <synd> haha sorry : ( gotta start somewhere !
[06:00] <delltony> edit your sources.list file
[06:00] <Pizbit> synd: You go to primary school and learn how to read.
[06:01] <delltony>  with gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:01] <Pizbit> You then read what I said.
[06:01] <fangorious> how can I list all packages that depend on kubuntu-desktop?
[06:01] <Pizbit> And then read the relevent parts of the page I linked too which says exactly how to enable them.
[06:01] <Tekmaven> why will libtool only allow stuff to install to /usr/local/lib?
[06:01] <Tekmaven> the software i'm installing wants to put stuff in /usr/lib
[06:02] <Pizbit> Tekmaven: Are you installing via other means than synaptic/apt ?
[06:02] <synd> Pizbit: Oh. I didnt understand that you meant by reading the site. My apologies.
[06:04] <geneo93> where is that site to configure java after its installed links and so on
[06:06] <fangorious> how do I list a packages dependencies with dpkg or apt?
[06:06] <Pizbit> apt-cache show packagename
[06:07] <wannabe> heyy
[06:07] <eclipse> how come i can't kde?
[06:07] <wannabe> !
[06:07] <wannabe> )
[06:07] <wannabe> x)
[06:07] <fangorious> eclipse, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <fangorious> Pizbit, is there a way to show all the packages that depend on a specifc package?
[06:08] <eclipse> fangorious, so i can't do apt-get install kde?...it has to be apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:08] <Pizbit> Er, try uninstall it and see what else has to be removed as well?:) other than that, no idea
[06:08] <projectmayhem> hey all
[06:09] <projectmayhem> eclipse couldn't you just download kubuntu?
[06:09] <projectmayhem> eclipse that's what i did...
[06:09] <Pizbit> eclipse: You can just install kde, you'll need to enable universe though I believe
[06:09] <geneo93> eclipse:  yes that will work
[06:09] <wannabe> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <wannabe> isnt working
[06:09] <Pizbit> Use sudo:P
[06:09] <fangorious> wannabe, hoary 5.04-preview?
[06:09] <Pizbit> and 'isnt working' is *really* informative
[06:10] <wannabe> i mean
[06:10] <eclipse> wannabe, so does apt-get kubuntu-desktop work or not?
[06:10] <luckymarciano> can any one hack my ubuntu ?
[06:10] <geneo93> eclipse:  all you need is kde
[06:10] <wannabe> couldnt find package for kubuntu
[06:10] <wannabe> couldnt find packagekubuntu
[06:11] <projectmayhem> wannabe you have correct repos?
[06:11] <wannabe> i wrote kubuntu
[06:11] <eclipse> geneo93. when i tried that it gave me an error message saying i needed to install some kde...package but it won't install
[06:11] <geneo93> and all you need is kde thats what i used and its fine
[06:11] <wannabe> maybe
[06:11] <fangorious> eclipse, kubuntu-desktop has a more complete set of packages then kde
[06:11] <wannabe> how to fix that
[06:12] <projectmayhem> wannabe you have bittorrent?
[06:12] <fangorious> eclipse, run `apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop` and `apt-cache show kde` to see the differences
[06:12] <fangorious> wannabe, run `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[06:12] <eclipse> another thing, how come i can't install the latest nvidia driver?
[06:13] <kyouens> DVD problem with Hoary Devel Release, Dell D610.....I have installed dvdcss2, dvdnav, etc.  When I try to play a DVD in any progam (mplayer, xine--whatever) it gets _stuck_ on libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x00000186.....and the process becomes unkillable
[06:13] <Pizbit> eclipse: Probably because it's horribly unstable
[06:13] <Lithi> Any known issues with DFI nf4 64bit mobos and Ubuntu 64 4.10? It stalls after install trying to start hotpluging services.
[06:14] <kyouens> anybody got any ideas?
[06:15] <projectmayhem> kyouens did you install libdvdcss2 from apt-get?
[06:15] <kyouens> yes I did projectmaybe
[06:15] <Dreamer3> ok, are there other tiny distros, or DSL is about the best?
[06:15] <projectmayhem> kyouens sorry didn't read that that well
[06:16] <kyouens> everything installed fine...perhaps somehow the libdvdcss package is working with the devel release yet. . .
[06:16] <kyouens> (is NOT working I mean)
[06:16] <projectmayhem> kyouens maybe driver for your dvd drive?
[06:16] <eclipse> one last thing...i don't know if this is a bug or not but the gnome desktop doesn't refresh that fast
[06:16] <projectmayhem> kyouens also do you have symbolic link for /dev/dvd ?
[06:17] <kyouens> projectmayhem:  The drive works fine with nautilus, etc file browsinng.  Also yes I have the symlinks
[06:17] <kyouens> It seems to be an isolated prob with DVD playing
[06:17] <projectmayhem> kyouens that's really weird... all the codecs installed?
[06:17] <eclipse> for example. when i download something sometimes it wouldn't appear on the desktop and the only way to get it to appear on the desktop is to do Alt-R to refresh it
[06:17] <kyouens> eclipse:  I have noticed that behavior as well
[06:17] <eclipse> any patches?
[06:18] <kyouens> eclipse:  not that I know of
[06:18] <eclipse> kyouens, right?
[06:18] <kyouens> eclipse:  what?
[06:18] <projectmayhem> eclipse maybe you are getting that because your graphics driver is not functioning?
[06:18] <eclipse> that's y i want to switch to kde
[06:18] <eclipse> but kde has a bug too
[06:18] <kyouens> eclipse:  no patches that I know of for the slow desktop refresh.  Also, before switching to KDE, know that it's not perfect yet either
[06:18] <projectmayhem> nvidia driver not working = slow graphics
[06:19] <eclipse> no, this has nothing to do with that
[06:19] <projectmayhem> eclipse no software is perfect and bug free, duh
[06:19] <^thehatsrule^> Dreamer3, it depends on what you need
[06:19] <eclipse> projectmayhem, i have the nvidia driver installed with openGL enabled
[06:20] <projectmayhem> eclipse oh, then it shouldn't be a problem
[06:20] <projectmayhem> eclipse hoary or warty?
[06:20] <yoko-omo> cedega is my favorite lunix app
[06:20] <eclipse> hoary
[06:20] <projectmayhem> eclipse that could be part of it, hoary (since its unstable and all) tends to run slower
[06:20] <projectmayhem> yoko omo don't you have to pay for that??
[06:20] <eclipse> also in kde, the desktop icon text doesn't support long filename
[06:20] <kyouens> yoko--wow.
[06:21] <yoko-omo> projectmayhem: yes
[06:21] <projectmayhem> yoko-omo shame on paying for linux software that's like immoral
[06:21] <eclipse> projectmayhem, no it happens in fedora core 3 also
[06:21] <yoko-omo> projectmayhem: yah, and bittorrenting the deb file jhurts
[06:21] <Pizbit> projectmayhem: Hoary is hardly unstable this far away from the release:)
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> wow - even slackware dropped gnome.
[06:22] <projectmayhem> eclipse hm... tough to say then. i've not much experience with gnome
[06:22] <projectmayhem> eclipse and i've never had to refresh it
[06:22] <Pizbit> LeeJunFan: Woa, people pay attention to slackware?
[06:22] <kyouens> i'm using the hoary devel version and for the most part, it's very stable.
[06:22] <eclipse> alright
[06:22] <projectmayhem> pizbit yeah distrowatch
[06:22] <kyouens> however, the multimedia sucks I must say
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/28/009237&from=rss
[06:22] <yoko-omo> I can play WoW on my linux machine
[06:22] <eclipse> projectmayhem, maybe u don't download as much as me
[06:23] <Pizbit> kyouens: You've read this right? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:23] <geneo93> x-window-system-core has a problem it the colperate that slows everything down
[06:23] <kyouens> yes Pizbit....I am just bitter because my DVD drive won't work after much jacking with it
[06:23] <eclipse> projectmayhem, also it's fine if u just create a file or folder on the desktop and it will appear on it right away with no problems
[06:23] <Pizbit> kyouens: Mine worked more or less out of the box(had to get the dvd packges of course)
[06:23] <eclipse> anyone tried xfce?
[06:24] <projectmayhem> eclipse no i don't download a whole lot.... other than.. umm. totally legal stuff on limewire
[06:24] <Pizbit> eclipse: Yeah, it sucks, it's like gnome without the good things
[06:24] <projectmayhem> eclipse what does it do?
[06:24] <kyouens> Pizbit--I am using a Dell D610 and the Hoary Devel Release (because none of the other releases, including hoary preview, recognized my cd drive at all on install)
[06:24] <^thehatsrule^> xfce is alright... its lighter
[06:24] <kyouens> pizbit:  Everything else works great pretty much.
[06:24] <projectmayhem> oh is it a desktop environment?
[06:24] <^thehatsrule^> yes... it is
[06:25] <kyouens> xfce is very nice
[06:25] <eclipse> xfce is a desktop environment much like gnome or kde
[06:25] <projectmayhem> didn't know
[06:25] <kyouens> I've used it for years when I was using fedora
[06:25] <sysrq> I use gnome with openbox
[06:26] <randabis_> kde 3.4 here
[06:26] <Pizbit> kyouens: These are all the dvd packages I have installed: http://pastebin.ca/8340
[06:26] <eclipse> anyone knows which DE is the fastest with lots of features?
[06:26] <Tekmaven> how can I always set an env variable?
[06:26] <randabis_> gnome and xfce both have their merits, but the new kde is awesome
[06:27] <kyouens> pizbit, thanks a lot, I'm looking at it
[06:27] <Bukkake> I tried running xfce on this 266 mhz machine.. quite frankly, it isn't so lighter than GNOME . . . I don't know why everyone says that, but I don't think it's lighter than GNOME :x
[06:27] <Tekmaven> desktops will always be debated ;-)
[06:27] <Tekmaven> its MUCH lighter then gnome Bukkake ;-)
[06:27] <Tekmaven> but it relies on GTK2 which isn't *that* light
[06:27] <randabis_> the memory footprint of xfce is much smaller than gnome
[06:27] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:27] <Tekmaven> anyways
[06:28] <roo9> hi, i just upgraded to hoary from warthog and now my NDISWrapper-based Wlan card no longer works, any ideas on what to check?
[06:28] <Tekmaven> i wanna set an env variable ALWAYS
[06:28] <Pizbit> Tekmaven: Well, most of the people enable gnome/kde services as well...
[06:28] <mhz> fluxbox is lighter, a lot!
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> i concur
[06:28] <Bukkake> Didn't seem that lighter to me . . . FluxBox seemed definately seemed to be the lightest . . . but I stuck with GNOME 'cuz I had some problems with Fluxbox (probably installed it incorrectly, I'm a nub, so I didn't bother do too much)
[06:28] <Tekmaven> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib64:/usr/local/lib
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> but now it sounds DE war like :P
[06:28] <Tekmaven> how can i set that to always?
[06:28] <randabis_> roo9, it doesn't work because when you upgrade to hoary, you also upgrade the kernel...you'll need to reinstall your ndiswrapper drivers
[06:29] <Tekmaven> is that .bashrc?
[06:29] <randabis_> sure fluxbox is lighter...all it is is a window manager
[06:29] <randabis_> gnome, kde, and xfce are full blown desktop environments
[06:29] <Bukkake> well said :D
[06:30] <Bukkake> randabis_, you use xfce on your laptop and gnome on your desktop, which I think you're using now?
[06:30] <Tekmaven> randabis_: i disagree
[06:30] <Tekmaven> i dont think xfce is really a full desktop environment yet
[06:30] <Tekmaven> it doesnt even have a desktop :-P
[06:31] <roo9> randabis_: i thought it might have upgraded the kernel, but i only have one version present in /lib/modules, so are you sure the kernel is upgraded? what version does hoary upgrade to?
[06:31] <randabis_> Bukkake, I'm using kde on my desktop now actually
[06:31] <projectmayhem> kde=sweet
[06:31] <projectmayhem> hehe peace all
[06:31] <Bukkake> randabis_, recently changed?
[06:31] <Tekmaven> i used to love KDE
[06:31] <Tekmaven> but since I've installed Ubuntu, i'm a Gnome convert
[06:31] <randabis_> Tekmaven, it's more of a desktop environment than fluxbox ever will be
[06:31] <Tekmaven> gnome is so much more ellegant
[06:31] <eclipse> also does gnome have a feature like windows when some IM you the taskbar window flashes?
[06:31] <randabis_> Bukkake, yes, kde 3.4 converted me...it's awesome
[06:32] <Bukkake> randabis_: You're making me think on changing too . . . :o
[06:32] <sysrq> fluxbox isn't a DE it's only a WM, however you can use it instead of metacity in gnome
[06:32] <Tekmaven> Gnome 2.10 = nice
[06:32] <^thehatsrule^> ive stuck with fluxbox :)
[06:32] <randabis_> http://img145.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img145&image=snapshot36zn.jpg
[06:32] <randabis_> took that yesterday
[06:33] <Bukkake> But me being the nub, let's go deeper in this, what is in a desktop (kde, gnome) that a window manager isn't(fluxbox)?
[06:33] <Dreamer3> Tekmaven: nicer than 2.8?
[06:34] <^thehatsrule^> uhhh.. some apps require kde/gnome-base
[06:34] <randabis_> Bukkake, programs like kde control center, the network setup gui tools, etc...the suite of programs that comes with a desktop environment is what distinguishes it from a window manager
[06:34] <^thehatsrule^> while fluxbox is just a shell
[06:34] <roo9> randabis_: it seems, or so dpkg -S tells me, that the NDISWrapper kernel module comes with linux-image-2.6.8.1... so...
[06:34] <randabis_> roo9, hoary uses 2.6.10
[06:34] <^thehatsrule^> randabis_: what sf series is that?
[06:35] <randabis_> ^thehatsrule^, I don't know
[06:35] <^thehatsrule^> aw, you dont actually play? ;p
[06:35] <Roey> Bukkake:  ioslaves for one thing
[06:35] <Tekmaven> randabis_: you know whats funny
[06:35] <Roey> Bukkake:  consistent printing architecture
[06:36] <Tekmaven> gaim is a gnome package :-P
[06:36] <Roey> Tekmaven:  gnome people like to claim gtk apps as their own
[06:36] <Roey> Tekmaven:  gaim, gimp, firefox, xchat..
[06:36] <Tekmaven> gaim is verymuch so deved with gnome in mind
[06:36] <Tekmaven> ;-)
[06:36] <Roey> Tekmaven:  (abiword)
[06:36] <randabis_> Tekmaven, what?
[06:36] <^thehatsrule^> i love street fighter... just havent seen that game before
[06:37] <randabis_> ^thehatsrule^, I don't even remember where I got that picture
[06:37] <Roey> randabis_:  couldja put it up somewhere?
[06:37] <^thehatsrule^> hehe, ok ;p
[06:37] <Roey> randabis_:  on 4chan maybe?
[06:37] <calc> Roey: gnome people do? or gnome users? ;)
[06:37] <Tekmaven> gnome is very ellegant, thats all i need to say
[06:37] <Tekmaven> i'm running Ubuntu PPC
[06:37] <Tekmaven> and i like gnome better then OS X
[06:38] <Roey> calc:  Those Who Market Gnome
[06:39] <zelas_metallium> Is there a way to have different wallpapers for each desktop?
[06:39] <randabis> personally, in linux the full mozilla suite loads pages faster than firefox, so I use it
[06:39] <calc> Roey: hmm i don't think the official marketers of gnome consider those apps to be part of gnome ;)
[06:39] <randabis> especially the new 1.7.6
[06:39] <geneo93> randabis:  i agree
[06:39] <calc> just like some people might say konversation is part of kde (wasn't last i checked anyway)
[06:40] <Bukkake> mm, I always thought mozilla suite to be a lot heavier and slower than firefox
[06:40] <calc> or k3b
[06:40] <zelas_metallium> specifically, under gnome
[06:40] <Roey> calc:  er.. so epiphany is still gnome's own browser?
[06:40] <Pizbit> Abiword is part of the gnome-office package
[06:40] <calc> Roey: yes
[06:40] <Roey> calc:  gnome-enabled xchat? gnome-enabled gaim?
[06:40] <Roey> ha, ha ha.
[06:41] <calc> Roey: last i read (a few months ago) they are intending to fix the issues with it so it can replace ff
[06:41] <Roey> ff?
[06:41] <Pizbit> Firefox
[06:41] <calc> Roey: there is work on writing a hig compliant IM to replace gaim as well
[06:41] <calc> not sure about xchat
[06:42] <Roey> calc:  I see a lot of potential in a GTK desktop ;)
[06:42] <calc> from what i have read gaim is definitely not considered a gnome project in that they won't even accept integration work for other gnome things
[06:42] <Roey> calc:  abiword, gimp, gaim, xchat
[06:42] <randabis> Bukkake, on windows machines that seems to be true for me, but I don't know what it is about linux firefox builds...they are always slower for me than mozilla suite
[06:42] <calc> Roey: why not oo.o 2.0
[06:42] <Bukkake> I've only used it on windows . . . mmhmm, I'll be sure to try it then
[06:43] <Roey> calc:  my point is this:  it seems to me that the GNOME zealots are eagerly claiming ownership of things which are not technically under the GNOME umbrella
[06:43] <Pizbit> calc: There's the gnome-office setup, abiword, die, gimp, gnumeric, planner and inkscape | sodipodi
[06:43] <Roey> calc:  that's like saying qt designer is part of kde.
[06:43] <Roey> Pizbit:  gnumeric I can understand being a gnome app; it was likethat from the start
[06:43] <calc> Roey: well in your gtk desktop oo.o would be better than abiword
[06:44] <Roey> Pizbit:  but gimp, abiword and inkscape are relatively independent GTK projects.
[06:44] <Roey> calc:  ah :)
[06:44] <geneo93> calc:  to much bloat
[06:44] <Roey> calc:  see, KDE has all these things written /for/ kde from the start.
[06:44] <Roey> but that's no important
[06:44] <calc> to be part of gnome you 1. have to want to be 2. be hig compliant and etc
[06:44] <geneo93> koffice
[06:44] <Roey> important thing for gnome is to see development of more *native* gnome apps
[06:44] <calc> kde has no ui standardization
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  does it need one?
[06:45] <calc> so anything written for qt/kdelibs is considered part of kde more or less
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  (I wasn't meaning to get into a comparison duel)
[06:45] <calc> though technically even koffice is not part of kde
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  kdelibs!
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  qt is different
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  kdelibs is kde...
[06:45] <calc> only the things in the official kde releases are part of kde
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  things written for kdelibs are kde apps
[06:45] <regeya> naughty naughty
[06:45] <calc> Roey: er that is what i just said :)
[06:45] <regeya> okay, okaay, I for one promise to shut up about gnome in #kubuntu
[06:46] <Roey> calc:  ok then, we're in agreement
[06:46] <e_machinist> heh, regeya, you a gnome fan or a kde fan?
[06:46] <Roey> heh
[06:47] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Does one have to be one or the other?
[06:47] <regeya> fan of both, but nowadays more of a kde fan
[06:47] <Pizbit> KDE people go #kubuntu, gnome people stay, everyone else, enjoy your indentity crisis! :D
[06:47] <calc> heh
[06:47] <e_machinist> Vjaz. Nope. Either is good.
[06:47] <Roey> calc:  how about bukkaKe for a kde app name?
[06:47] <calc> Roey: heh
[06:47] <e_machinist> But it is kinda hard to use both interchangably all the time.
[06:48] <luckymarciano> lol
[06:48] <calc> Roey: thats even worse than PAN ;)
[06:48] <Pizbit> e_machinist: Welll...
[06:48] <regeya> seppiKu
[06:48] <dex1> hi can anyone see this? (I may be having connection probs so I need to check)
[06:48] <tritium> hello dex1, yes
[06:48] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Not everybody likes either of them. And even if they do, they still might not be "fans".
[06:48] <randabis> KDE fans are more than welcome here...this is a general ubuntu support channel afterall
[06:48] <geneo93> dex1:  yes
[06:48] <Pizbit> dex1: I seeeeeeeeeeee youuuu! And yes you should be worried.
[06:48] <dex1> trit: thank you
[06:48] <Roey> calc:  Kumshot :P
[06:48] <calc> ah i found it... gossip
[06:48] <e_machinist> dex1: can see you.
[06:48] <Bukkake> randabis, are you in the official support team of ubuntu or something?
[06:49] <regeya> who would have ever known that someone beefing up kde support in ubuntu would drive people to be slavering a-holes
[06:49] <dex1> I must've been ignored in the other distro room. :D
[06:49] <Pizbit> randabis: Just injecting some humour:)
[06:49] <randabis> Bukkake, no,I don't think such a team actually exists
[06:49] <Bukkake> randabis: Are you an OP? :)
[06:49] <dex1> I have a compatibility question
[06:49] <e_machinist> It is nice that there are two, gnome and kde, large, very competitive projects... I for one hope there will be only one some day though.
[06:49] <zelas_metallium> Is there a way to have different wallpapers for each desktop under gnome?
[06:49] <Pizbit> e_machinist: There never will be, rest assured.
[06:49] <randabis> No...I am just a lowly user
[06:50] <Bukkake> Well, back at this then . . . how exactly should a nub, such as I, come to decide? The applications that come along the two desktops?
[06:50] <e_machinist> Pizbit: True... but hope is hope.
[06:50] <calc> zelas_metallium: i don't think so, i tried looking for that a while back
[06:50] <zelas_metallium> calc, ok, thanks.
[06:50] <regeya> e_machinist: never.  gnome is aimed at the "average user" and kde is aimed at users. ;-)  gnome is better for grandma and people who desire a simple interface, and kde is for weirdos like me. ;-)
[06:50] <Vjaz> Pizbit: Never say never!
[06:50] <e_machinist> Bukkake, they both basically provide the same functionality. KDE is somewhat more similar to the standard Windows GUI... Gnome is slightly different in its current state.
[06:51] <Pizbit> Vjaz: Pfft:)
[06:51] <randabis> Bukkake, best way is to just try both for a while and decide what you like best (xfce is also a good choice too)...For the most part you can mix and match gtk and qt apps without harm anyway
[06:51] <geneo93> Bukkake:  simple get both and decide for yourseelf
[06:51] <Pizbit> Vjaz: I just need to point out vi[m] /emacs :D
[06:51] <e_machinist> Meh... KDE is simple as well.
[06:51] <calc> gnome is more leaning towards macos classic
[06:51] <Pizbit> e_machinist: It is?:) Ever tried going through all of kcontrol making sure everything was tweaked?:) It takes a *really* long time.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> its fun to try them all out. :P
[06:52] <e_machinist> Either way you are in for a full featured desktop.
[06:52] <randabis> I don't really find KDE's UI similar to Windows
[06:52] <Vjaz> Pizbit: those editors differ more from each other conceptually than GNOME and KDE
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> randabis,  me either.. its much better.
[06:52] <calc> randabis: think winxp luna gone horribly awry ;)
[06:52] <Pizbit> Vjaz: That's irrelevent
[06:52] <Vjaz> Pizbit: First of all, Emacs is an operating system. :-P
[06:52] <randabis> luna = fisher price OS
[06:52] <e_machinist> Pizbit, I have spent quite some time doing things in KDE as well as gnome.
[06:52] <Dreamer3_> ok, are there other tiny distros, or DSL is about the best? (sorry if anyone replied before i missed it)  maybe something based off xfce?
[06:52] <e_machinist> I don't prefer one over the other.
[06:52] <dex1> I had a horrendous experience with trying to install Ubuntu on an older machine the last few days; despite some assistance from crimsun via here it came to nothing and just wouldn't work on that PC. So.... I instead I tried something on this new Win XP PC. Dual-boot was out due to risk of losing stuff so installed VMWare 4.5. I then installed fedora core 3 over it (only other distro from cover CD I had) and it didn't get past post-install reboot really. Que
[06:52] <Vjaz> Luna is quite ugly. Silver is ok though.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I sort of like WindowMaker.
[06:52] <calc> kde keramik + crystal icons == fisher price   as well
[06:52] <regeya> really, it takes a long time to change settings in kcontrol?
[06:52] <e_machinist> KDE could use some polish though.
[06:53] <regeya> I forgot to get the memo. ;-)
[06:53] <Vjaz> Pizbit: I don't think it's irrelevant.
[06:53] <Bukkake> gnome seems to be a bit more of a eye candy than KDE (but after viewing randabis' ss, KDE looks kinda more pleasent that I had previously thought) simply that I had heard some more helpful compiling and programming tools come with KDE
[06:53] <regeya> Dr_Willis: with modern drag-and-drop support I'd be using windowmaker right now
[06:53] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: you using gnome 2.10? is it better than 2.8?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> regeya,  to be honest.. i rarely if EVER use any drag/drop stuff
[06:54] <e_machinist> Pizbit, I agree. KDE is definitely the Kluttered Desktop Environment. :)
[06:54] <randabis> KDE actually has more eye candy effects I believe
[06:54] <regeya> I didn't until I got a job using Macs. ;-)
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> regeya,  actually with fluxbox/blackbox - i think they can sort of do that. :P
[06:54] <Pizbit> Vjaz: It's entirely irrevelent, I was pointing out that bewteen two warring fractions there wont be a totally dominant outcome for either
[06:54] <dex1> What the heck, I'll try it.
[06:54] <randabis> I don't find KDE cluttered...I don't see where all this clutter is people speak of...at least not with 3.4
[06:54] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: *shrug* Not that many differences on the surface really
[06:54] <tritium> dex1, try what?
[06:54] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: is it fasteR?
[06:54] <Pizbit> Yeah
[06:55] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: ah, great
[06:55] <e_machinist> Luckily either one is a valid choice for the mainstream Linux User. Either way you go you will be in for a nice experience.
[06:55] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: i think i'll be upgraded before may :)
[06:55] <dex1> tritium: Ubuntu under VMWare (on a Win XP machine)
[06:55] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Hehe:)
[06:55] <regeya> randabis: compared to a default GNOME desktop, it's cluttered, I guess. *shrug*  on my last bout with GNOME, I spent as much time setting up GNOME as I wanted it as I spent this time setting up KDE as I wanted it. ;-)
[06:55] <tritium> dex1, go for it :)
[06:55] <geneo93> yeah i have nothing on my desktop but two chat windows
[06:55] <MatthewJohn> for moives, the icon it makes, is there a way to make it a different frame? (without taking a screenshot and making a new icon)
[06:56] <calc> randabis: kubuntu's 3.4 is not what normal 3.4 looks like, and prior to 3.4 it looked worse since it used keramik as well
[06:56] <Roey> calc:  do you see keyboard layouts in Kubuntu packages at all?
[06:56] <Dreamer3_> hmmm, what themse does 3.4 use?
[06:56] <Pizbit> MatthewJohn: Delete the thumbnail in ~/.thumbnails/normal and hope it'll re-create on a different frame?
[06:56] <calc> Roey: haven't install kubuntu yet
[06:56] <chavo> keramik is the ugliest theme everr.
[06:56] <randabis> calc, yeah I know...kubuntu does kde right
[06:56] <regeya> someone should hax0r a way of making KDE a bit more GNOME HIG compliant, IMHO, because I'll agree with some of their decisions
[06:56] <MatthewJohn> Pizbit: ok, i didnt know it just used random frames
[06:56] <Roey> calc:  I don't see any listed in the keyboard layout configuration panel
[06:56] <regeya> chavo: default KDE theme is plastik.
[06:56] <chavo> KDE 3.4 uses platik by default.
[06:56] <randabis> I'll give you that...default kde is a bit cluttered
[06:56] <Dreamer3_> i read the Gnome HIG once, I was impressed
[06:56] <Vjaz> Pizbit: They aren't in "war" in my opinion if that's what you meant (sorry, never heard of "warring"). And now that there's a whole lot of collaboration through freedesktop.org, I think at one point we may reach a point where all KDE programs fit in GNOME nicely and vice versa. At that point, the choice of KDE or GNOME becomes largely irrelevant.
[06:56] <randabis> kubuntu's kde rocks though
[06:57] <Pizbit> MatthewJohn: Probably something to fo with key frames *shrug* ask totem-video-thumbnailer
[06:57] <regeya> things like menu items being a bit close together in most themes, that sort of thing.
[06:57] <geneo93> http://rox.sf.net  try this its even better
[06:57] <e_machinist> Luckily the choice is already somewhat irrelevant. Tons of apps work irregardless of the desktop preference.
[06:57] <randabis> I don't like rox filer
[06:58] <Pizbit> Vjaz: You have two factions, they will never become one, they might share some things, but there will never be one.
[06:58] <Dreamer3_> kde apps were always SUPER slow to load in gnome in the past
[06:58] <regeya> rox concept is awesome, the filemanager sucks.
[06:58] <bje> hi folks. I'm trying to get a persistent home directory working with Warty.  Is there a catch?  What does home=scan look for, exactly?
[06:58] <Pizbit> bje: Care to run that by us again with different words and perhaps some more information?
[06:59] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: fixed & uploaded.  New packages should be available in 65 minutes.  Thanks for reporting.
[06:59] <bje> I have a loopback ext3 fs on a VFAT USB thumb drive (called `ubuntu.img') that I am trying to use as a persistent home directory.  When I boot with the appropriate GRUB menu option, Ubuntu does not mount it.
[07:00] <regeya> bje: are you using a livecd?
[07:00] <Vjaz> Pizbit: Ok, maybe they won't merge, but the way I see it, the biggest distros will only support one in the end.
[07:00] <bje> regeya: Sorry, yes.
[07:00] <geneo93> crimsun:  did you know about x-window-server slowing things down
[07:00] <regeya> wow, dunno.
[07:00] <bje> I'm trying to work out what home=scan means, exactly.
[07:01] <e_machinist> oh hey, quick q. Ubuntu always says that there is a problem with my "Locales"... anyone know exactly how to fix this?
[07:01] <geneo93> crimsun:  sorry x-window-system-core
[07:01] <crimsun> geneo93: x-window-system-core is a metapackage, it doesn't actually contain any binaries
[07:01] <bje> pizbit: Is that description better?
[07:02] <Pizbit> bje: Well, it's still all over the place:P
[07:02] <geneo93> but if you install it it slows things way down
[07:02] <bje> pizbit: I simply want a persistent home directory that survives reboots when using the live CD.
[07:03] <Bukkake> Vjaz: There's more than one big distro
[07:03] <tritium> geneo93, slows what down?
[07:03] <bje> pizbit: I followed some directions in a wiki to make a loopback ext3 fs on my USB thumb drive.  Now I'm trying to convince the live CD to mount it at boot time.
[07:03] <crimsun> geneo93: that doesn't make any sense, since it doesn't actually execute anything...
[07:03] <Vjaz> Bukkake: Yes?
[07:03] <bje> and, sure enough, there is _0_ documentation about it
[07:03] <airmikey> anyone here switch over from fedora
[07:03] <geneo93> everything
 Pizbit: Ok, maybe they won't merge, but the way I see it, the biggest distros will only support one in the end.  <-- I was just replying to that, but I'm a nub, so I'll sit down for now
[07:04] <geneo93> gnome and kde both
[07:04] <dex1> Question: Warty uses a 2.6.x kernel right? I need to know for installing
[07:04] <tritium> dex1, yes, 2.6.8
[07:04] <dex1> merci
[07:04] <Vjaz> Bukkake: Yes, I said "biggest distros".
[07:05] <e_machinist> Largest.
[07:05] <e_machinist> heh.
[07:05] <Pizbit> Bukkake: The trailing 's' means it's plural.
[07:05] <Bukkake> "biggest distro_s_"
[07:05] <airmikey> can i dual boot ubuntu with a different linux
[07:05] <geneo93> mandrake 10.2 is looking pretty good
[07:06] <sabmoc> Who is merging?
[07:06] <crimsun> airmikey: yep.
[07:06] <Vjaz> Yes. What I mean was that the big mainstream distros probably will only support one desktop environment in the end.
[07:06] <airmikey> hmm
[07:06] <sabmoc> Vjaz, I think thats pretty unlikely
[07:06] <Vjaz> Why do you think so?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> the idea of "support" is often a vague term anyway :P
[07:06] <Bukkake> I don't know . . . I see almost equivalent amount of people liking both . . .
[07:06] <sabmoc> Vjaz, momentum
[07:06] <e_machinist> Vjaz, maybe not... but it would be nice if one day one desktop became a clear leader.
[07:06] <geneo93> Vjaz:  choice is linux
[07:07] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Yes, that's what I mean.
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> Support Yourself - :P
[07:07] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Exactly my point.
[07:07] <roo9> hi, when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" i get a "FATAL Error: Operation Not Permitted"
[07:07] <geneo93> roo9:  sudo
[07:07] <Bukkake> I think I'll end the night for now and get some sleep . . . good night all
[07:07] <Roey> gnight
[07:08] <roo9> geneo93: i am roo
[07:08] <roo9> geneo93: i am root
[07:08] <sabmoc> Vjaz, both userlinux and ubuntu tired to make GNOME only desktops, both chose to support kde eventually because of users requests. Look at Suse, its a kde desktop, but they also support GNOME because of user requests. Momentum. But choice is a good thing.
[07:08] <sabmoc> GNOME would not be as good if there was no KDE to compete with, and vice versa.
[07:08] <difekta> lol
[07:08] <sabmoc> competition is good
[07:08] <roo9> this is true, compettion fuels advancement
[07:08] <difekta> i was just in kubuntu talking about how i think kde sucks.
[07:08] <Pizbit> sabmoc: Well, there's windows to compete with too.
[07:08] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Yes, but GNU/Linux is not big enough yet.
[07:08] <difekta> and i was about to ask, is gnome dying?
[07:08] <e_machinist> hey I'm having a problem with locales. here is the error. Sound familiar to anyone?
[07:08] <e_machinist> "Cannot open locale definition file".
[07:08] <difekta> gnome seems so much more elegant and user-friendly.
[07:09] <Vjaz> sabmoc: When I say something "will" happen, I am referring to the future of course. :-P
[07:09] <sabmoc> Pizbit, but windows doesnt run on linux, oh wait...
[07:09] <radio> I'm completely new to unix and am trying to compile something. I've just installed ubuntu and I was thinking it would have a built in compiler. What do I have to do to get the gcc command line?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> difekta,  in some ways.. in some ways its not. :P
[07:09] <e_machinist> cannot set "LC_CTYPE"
[07:09] <e_machinist> cannot set LC_LANGUAGES
[07:09] <e_machinist> cannot set LC_ALL
[07:09] <difekta> are you trying to create a utf8 locale?
[07:09] <difekta> er..set a utf-8 locale.
[07:09] <sabmoc> Vjaz, but open souce only improves, its not like windows that must tear everything down every 4 years and build again just so they can sell more product.
[07:09] <difekta> you might need to create it from the default locale.
[07:10] <Pizbit> radio: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:10] <difekta> i wonder whether longhorn might actually be the first decent os from m$
[07:10] <e_machinist> difekta, I'm upgrading stuff through synaptic, and when it goes to install the changes it reports this.
[07:10] <difekta> probably not.  they're just going to keep building upon legacy stuff right?  it's not a re-write.
[07:10] <sabmoc> Vjaz, gnome and kde have both been around for years and years and years, and will continue to be around for years and years and years.. this is a godo thing.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what Fiasco we will have when MS releases their 64bit version....
[07:10] <geneo93> difekta:  dont hold your breath
[07:10] <e_machinist> Also, when I boot up Ubuntu, it says this during the boot up process.
[07:10] <sabmoc> good* thing
[07:11] <difekta> i am thinking about ditching m$ for good.  even when i buy a new computer and start doing recording in a couple of months for my band, i think the stuff available for linux is mature enough now.
[07:11] <sabmoc> Dr_Willis, I thought they already did release a few 64bit versions
[07:11] <airmikey> seems like people dont mind helping u here
[07:11] <airmikey> thats cool
[07:11] <dex1> sabmoc: Arguable, the Ubuntu FAQ page I was jut looking at comments on dumping XFree86 in favour of X.org say.
[07:12] <randabis> difekta, if you're buying a computer for recording, I think you'd be better off with a mac
[07:12] <geneo93> 64 bit patches is all
[07:12] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Big changes aren't unheard of in the free software world.
[07:12] <jroes> just curious
[07:12] <chavo> difekta, what kib of band are you in?
[07:12] <difekta> but macs are expensive, and i don't want to have to use a kvm.
[07:12] <e_machinist> It says, "Please check that your locale settings are supported and installed on your system".
[07:12] <difekta> brokenladder.com
[07:12] <randabis> macintosh's garage band application is excellent
[07:12] <difekta> chavo just check that out.
[07:12] <difekta> ack.
[07:12] <difekta> it's so simplified.
[07:12] <jroes> anyone else get "k8-powernow: failing targ; change pending bit set" errors a bunch?
[07:12] <chavo> difekta, http://2sdw.com
[07:12] <e_machinist> ANyone know of an app or utility to run that I can fix these locale problems?
[07:12] <chavo> that's my band
[07:12] <difekta> i need something professional like pro tools.
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> sabmoc,  i got the beta - :P and from what i hear.... its hard getting drivers for stuff.
[07:12] <sabmoc> dex1, that would have never happened if some people at xfree didnt start playing "musical license" ..but what happened is all their good devs moved to x.org so all the distros switched as well.
[07:12] <Vjaz> sabmoc: If the projects only cared about themselves, freedesktop.org wouldn't exist.
[07:12] <airmikey> anyone here in 64bit mode
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> sabmoc,  been useing linux so much - aint even tried it.
[07:13] <randabis> pro tools is available for mac I believe...I think it was originally for mac in fact
[07:13] <jroes> airmikey: yup
[07:13] <randabis> you won't find pro tools on linux at any rate
[07:13] <randabis> closest thing is probably audour
[07:13] <sabmoc> Vjaz, oh yeah, Im not saying projects only care about themselves or that big changes dont happen
[07:13] <difekta> chavo that's funny.
[07:13] <difekta> ardour is supposedly very good.
[07:14] <airmikey> jroes:how is it
[07:14] <difekta> there are a few good apps for linux.
[07:14] <difekta> audacity.
[07:14] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Freedesktop.org craves for interoperability between desktop environments. When they are completely interoperable, the projects have reached a new kind of situation. Improvement in that situation could mean a merger.
[07:14] <sabmoc> Vjaz, gnome1.4 to gnome2 was a big change
[07:14] <jroes> airmikey: I'm not sure, it seemed okay until I kept getting some k8-powernow error
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> yea - gnome2 was a HUGE change.. and got a lot of people very mad.
[07:14] <randabis> ardour is a full audio workstation
[07:14] <dex1> sabmoc: the xfree software set is itself problematic though. basing that on the fact it didn't support the s3 gfx card in the old pc I tried to use warty on of course :)
[07:14] <jroes> google has like 4 results, and all 4 are from mailing list postings of the source
[07:14] <airmikey> oh no
[07:14] <randabis> audacity is great, I agree
[07:14] <airmikey> hmm
[07:15] <sabmoc> Vjaz, interoperation does not mean they are converging
[07:15] <sabmoc> if anything they are diverging
[07:15] <airmikey> what motherboard u running with the chip
[07:15] <dex1> jroes: try feedster.com to searhc through blogs too? and search function on ubuntuforums.org? I'm new to it myself so can't help directly sorry
[07:15] <Vjaz> sabmoc: And I'm not saying this will happen in the next year, or the next ten years. It could take a long long time, but given that the projects don't really have to care about their own ass all that much, I just can't see a situation where two projects that are conceptually so similiar coexist in the free software world.
[07:15] <jroes> airmikey: MSI k8mm-ilsr
[07:16] <jroes> dex1: thanks dex, good idea, I'll check it out
[07:16] <sabmoc> Vjaz, do you have any idea how many text editors Linux has?
[07:16] <Vjaz> sabmoc: I mean really, can you name a big conceptual difference between Gnome and KDE?
[07:16] <sabmoc> Vjaz, sure, the HIG
[07:17] <sabmoc> Vjaz, GNOME philosophy is that any given program should have very few options and just rely on good defaults for the rest. KDE just simply doent understand that.
[07:18] <barbari> Hi, how i can find beep-media-player for ubuntu  ?
[07:18] <PacoBCN> barbari
[07:18] <PacoBCN> it's in the repos
[07:18] <randabis> apt-cache search beep-media-player
[07:18] <Pizbit> barbari: It's in universe
[07:18] <sabmoc> Vjaz, GNOME is a lot more like a MAC because of that, and KDE is more like windows.. KDE has lots of options for everything, GNOME just uses resonable defaults.
[07:18] <Vjaz> sabmoc: I notice that you say "KDE doesn't understand that", meaning basically that the conceptual difference here is that Gnome has a concept and KDE doesn't?
[07:18] <Pizbit> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to enable universe
[07:18] <DazeD||laptop> whats the apt-get command to install already downloaded packages?
[07:19] <barbari> root@ubuntu:/home/barbari # apt-cache search beep-media-player
[07:19] <barbari> root@ubuntu:/home/barbari #
[07:19] <tritium> barbari, that's because you don't have universe included
[07:19] <sabmoc> Vjaz, no, the difference is that KDE prefers its style, and GNOME prefers its style. They have different styles.
[07:19] <tritium> DazeD||laptop, apt-get install --reinstall
[07:19] <DazeD||laptop> thank you much tritium brb
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: In KDE, surely the "sensible defaults" are included, right?
[07:20] <dex1> make sure you're online.
[07:20] <Roey> sabmoc:  I'd prefer things that Work Like Clockwork to smelly feet any day
[07:20] <sabmoc> Roey, lol
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Why couldn't this be an option? "Show advanced options" or something?
[07:20] <barbari> tritium: what the universal mirror ?
[07:20] <sabmoc> Vjaz, I dont know, ask them :)
[07:20] <Pizbit> tritium: It is possible they meant packages they had downloaded via means other than apt
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Why does it need another desktop environment?
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Yeah, well my point is that at some point they will realise this.
[07:20] <Pizbit> barbari: Please read what people say: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats tells you how to enable universe
[07:20] <tritium> Pizbit, he wasn't clear on that
[07:20] <Roey> sabmoc:  at least, the kde gears give me the impression that it works like clockwork
[07:21] <Pizbit> tritium: So ask:)
[07:21] <tritium> Pizbit, most likely, he meant already installed
[07:21] <Pizbit> Roey: You realise that's really weak right?:D
[07:21] <sabmoc> Roey, I think you have the wrong impression.
[07:21] <Vjaz> sabmoc: I really don't think the KDE style is that different from the Gnome style as to make two different desktop environments worth it.
[07:21] <Roey> Pizbit:  how so?
[07:22] <Roey> Pizbit, sabmoc:  the gears remind me of clocks
[07:22] <sabmoc> Roey, the gears are ment to symbolize your brain being mushed into paste by the horrible defaults. Just ask any KDE dev. :D
[07:22] <Pizbit> Roey: It's like the saying "You can't just a book by it's cover."
[07:22] <Roey> Pizbit:  what makes that weak? I didn't know if it's strong or weak or anything...
[07:22] <geneo93> what gears
[07:22] <tritium> join #offtopic
[07:22] <Roey> sabmoc:  ahhahaha :)
[07:22] <Pizbit> sabmoc: Probably true, hold on I'll ask
[07:22] <Roey> Pizbit:  oh, the comment about preferring clockwork to stinky feet?
[07:23] <Vjaz> I think the Kubuntu logo is creepy. They replaced the three people in the logo with gears. :-P
[07:23] <billytwowilly> damn. The gnome guys should hire the xfce guys to write their code.
[07:23] <Roey> Pizbit:  say what you will, but I personally (and this is a value judgement) view this 'evolution'/DNA/gnome foot/bonobo/monkey nomenclature in a condescending light
[07:24] <Vjaz> It's like they're some robot drones or something. Uh... holding hands...
[07:24] <billytwowilly> Vjaz: http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/kubuntulove.png
[07:24] <Roey> Pizbit:  as if they're telling me I was stupid to have been using windows
[07:24] <Roey> Pizbit:  and that I 'evolve' by using gnome.
[07:24] <Vjaz> haha, ok
[07:24] <sabmoc> Roey, but what is wrong with "monkey foot dna"?
[07:24] <billytwowilly> Vjaz: my art skills are teh bomb;)
[07:24] <Roey> sabmoc:  it's the whole nomenclature
[07:25] <Roey> sabmoc: like what I said above;
[07:25] <barbari> how i can start command to start "Scroll Lock" For one sec ?
[07:26] <Roey> sabmoc:  I'm not into being pelted with references suggesting or inviting us to evolve (by virtue of using this software)
[07:26] <sabmoc> Roey, Kou Kreffer Khat Kverything Ks Kamed Ktarting Kith Ka K"K"K?
[07:26] <Pizbit> Roey: Or it could mean that the program evolves to become better and better
[07:26] <Roey> sabmoc:  the K thing is just goofy (koofy) as far as I can tell, but no more than that.
[07:26] <sysrq> or, it's just a damn name
[07:26] <Pizbit> The problem with thinking up what stuff 'symbolises' is that 99% of the time, you get it wrong
[07:27] <Roey> sysrq:  names make an impression.
[07:27] <Pizbit> The other 1% is as sysrq said, it's just a name.
[07:27] <sabmoc> Roey, same with gnomes.. we are not evolving into gnomes
[07:27] <billytwowilly> yah, I don't think we should argue about evolution because I have this huge stick I use to beat common sense into people who don't think evolution happens.
[07:27] <Roey> I didn't say that
[07:27] <sysrq> sure and you can drag onto these extreme and lame lengths if you want, but it's nothing but a waste of everyones time
[07:27] <sabmoc> or monkeys.. that would be de-evolving
[07:27] <Pizbit> On KDE gears "it symbolises the eternal struggle of the cave people trying to make their lives easier by inventing the gear."
[07:27] <Roey> sabmoc:  I didn't say de-evolving
[07:27] <Roey> Pizbit:  oh please
[07:27] <sysrq> windows must imply it opens windows to new worlds!
[07:27] <Roey> Pizbit:   I think my argument was reasonable.
[07:28] <Pizbit> Roey: I asked one of the chaps from #amarok
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  you know what? that works
[07:28] <barbari> i want run command to start "Scroll bar" Led for one sec...
[07:28] <billytwowilly> gears are a decent logo. It's very german.
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  think of how many times you hear a program called "win"-something
[07:28] <billytwowilly> like KDE
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  you're winning
[07:28] <sysrq> Roey: ya and it's just as stupid and meaningless as yours
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  you're WINning
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  not meaningless
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  it's marketing
[07:28] <sysrq> but alas time to stop feeding the trolls
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  and it gets into peoples' heads.
[07:29] <Roey> sysrq:  very easy for you to write it off like that, go ahead.
[07:29] <sabmoc> Roey, Ok, I agree names are important, but you should not judge something by its name or its branding only. Look at some names: Firefox, SUN, Windows, Longhorn, GNOME, KDE, Pixar. They are just names.
[07:29] <Pizbit> sabmoc: names/brands
[07:29] <sabmoc> yeah, they are names/brands
[07:30] <Roey> sabmoc:  look at firefox's logo.  It looks cool.  A cute furry fox with fire for a tail.  It's cute.  People like it.
[07:30] <Roey> sabmoc:  nevermind the fact that a "firefox" is actually another name for a red panda
[07:30] <Pizbit> Roey: And it's humping South America (Or was it South Africa?).
[07:30] <Roey> Pizbit:  LOL
[07:30] <sabmoc> Roey, The ultimate test should be use. If IE came out with a great logo it would still be a horrible browser.
[07:30] <caffinated> Roey: it's lucky that people know the name at all.  it only changed 500 times.
[07:30] <Roey> caffinated:  :)
[07:30] <Roey> Pixar is like the word Pixel
[07:31] <Roey> Longhorn...now I don't knwo wtf ms is thinking
[07:31] <sysrq> this is entirely off-topic
[07:31] <Pizbit> caffinated: On firefox name changes (amusing) http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=95
[07:31] <Pizbit> Roey: Someone was trying to make up for something obviously.
[07:32] <calamari> roey: iirc microsoft names its projects after rivers
[07:32] <Roey> calamari:  whistler is a river?
[07:32] <tritium> Whistler is a mountain
[07:32] <Roey> oh, ok.
[07:32] <calamari> ahh mountains then?
[07:32] <Roey> (amd after horses)
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> WHistler is a mother. :P
[07:32] <calamari> like I said.. iirc :)
[07:33] <Roey> =)
[07:33] <Roey> whistler's mother
[07:33] <stuNNed> hmmm
[07:33] <calamari> anyhow... it won't be longhorn.. it'll be some lame thing like windows ultimate 64 or some crap :)
[07:33] <Roey> mozilla->phoenix->firebird->firefox
[07:33] <stuNNed> what .deb contains alsa-driver?
[07:33] <tritium> http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/mountain/index.htm
[07:33] <Roey> and whistler's mother is a painting.
[07:33] <Roey> calamari:  Windows FX I think
[07:33] <tritium> A popular place to ski for people in the Seattle area
[07:33] <calamari> roey: hahaha
[07:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: none. alsa-driver is the name of the source package.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Windows64UnleasedDirectorsCutCollectersGoldEdition
[07:33] <Vjaz> Roey: Firefox was never called Mozilla, really.
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> Windows64UnleasedReloadedDirectorsCutCollectersGoldEdition
[07:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: what specifically are you looking for?
[07:34] <Roey> Vjaz:  oh? ok then
[07:34] <Roey> crimsun:  HI
[07:34] <^thehatsrule^> blackcomb was a project name too i believe
[07:34] <stuNNed> crimsun: driver module
[07:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: try using the alsa-source and alsa-base debs from experimental
[07:34] <Vjaz> Roey: Mozilla is the larger project name, containing Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird, and in the past, the Mozilla Suite, which is being discontinued I htink.
[07:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: I'm using them just fine (1.0.8+1.0.9rc2-1)
[07:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: how can i get experimental?
[07:35] <Vjaz> Roey: Phoenix was written from scratch using the Gecko rendering engine from the Mozilla Suite.
[07:35] <Roey> Vjaz:  that I didn't know
[07:36] <Roey> Vjaz:  so is there still a Mozilla browser?
[07:37] <crimsun> Roey: absolutely
[07:37] <crimsun> Roey: in fact, 1.7.6 was just merged from sid last week
[07:37] <Vjaz> Roey: Yes. But the Mozilla project is leaving it, and it will be officially called the Seamonkey Suite (Seamonkey being the internal project name for the Mozilla Suite in the past)
[07:37] <Vjaz> Or has this changed?
[07:37] <stuNNed> crimsun: ?
[07:38] <geppy> How do I enable mod_rewrite for apache2 on Ubuntu?
[07:38] <geppy> Do I need to recompile it, or is there a package for that?
[07:38] <crimsun> stuNNed: it's fairly complicated (you can't use the debs directly)
[07:38] <caffinated> geppy: check the modules directory.  it may already be included.
[07:39] <caffinated> if it's there, add support via httpd.conf
[07:39] <geppy> caffinated: Thanks! I'll check. =)
[07:39] <stuNNed> crimsun: can i make .debs from alsa-driver package?
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: yes, if you tweak.
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: however, the dependencies are fairly twisted.  I don't recommend it.
[07:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok thanks
[07:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: which contains the .ko file?
[07:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: in regular hoary
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: the alsa-driver deb that you build from alsa-source
[07:41] <crimsun> stuNNed: linux-image contains those
[07:41] <funky> where are setted some environment variables in some scripts ? example $SSHD_OPTIONS in /etc/init.d/ssh
[07:41] <stuNNed> crimsun: k thnx
[07:41] <geppy> caffinated: Gallery2 says " Apache mod_rewrite is not installed or not enabled."
[07:42] <funky> mm, /etc/defaults/ssh
[07:42] <codyman> what ubuntu amd64 repositorie has mplayer?
[07:43] <membreya> codyman: here you go http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/
[07:43] <codyman> thanks
[07:44] <geppy> Can anyone point me to an explanation of the purpose of the different binary directories (/bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin)?
[07:44] <caffinated> geppy: you have to add support cia the confuration files.  the usual place for the modules is /usr/lib/apache2/modults
[07:44] <caffinated> err modules
[07:45] <geppy> caffinated: Thanks!
[07:45] <caffinated> man, i need new fingers
[07:45] <geppy> haha :-)
[07:45] <caffinated> anyhow, check the config files in /etc/apache2
[07:45] <caffinated> you need to add the right loadmodule line, then restart apache
[07:46] <tritium> geppy, you can install and read debian-policy for more info on the filesystem heirarchy
[07:46] <geppy> tritium: Thanks.
[07:46] <tritium> geppy, also: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/
[07:48] <geppy> tritium: Thanks. =)
[07:48] <tritium> no problem :)
[07:48] <llamabutcher> hey guys i am trying to install ndiswrapper to get my belkin wireless card woring
[07:48] <codyman> membreya: after deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/ (what goes here).. apt keeps failing..
[07:49] <llamabutcher> however this guide i found says to install ndiswrapper through synaptic package manger
[07:49] <llamabutcher> but its not in there....
[07:49] <geneo93> tritium:  where is that artical for setting up java after installingit j2re1.5
[07:49] <membreya> codyman: deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main
[07:49] <codyman> gracias
[07:49] <membreya> put that line in your sources.list
[07:49] <tritium> geneo93, I'm not sure which article you're referring to.  Did you mean the one on the wiki about java-package?
[07:50] <geneo93> tritium:  the one that tell how to link and do the paths
[07:50] <llamabutcher> can anyone help me with this real quick?
[07:50] <tritium> geneo93, I don't recommend installing java that way.  I recommend using java-package instead.
[07:51] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: I bevelieve it's in universe, use think link to find out how to enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:51] <geneo93> tritium:  its already installed
[07:51] <unifi> hey can anyone tell me where the kernel is located in ubuntu
[07:51] <tritium> geneo93, unfortunately, not under package management, though
[07:51] <caffinated>  /boot
[07:52] <unifi> thats what I thought... thanks
[07:52] <geneo93> well yes it was a deb tritium
[07:52] <llamabutcher> pizbit, u mean ndiswrapper?
[07:52] <rtud2> hello
[07:52] <llamabutcher> but the guide i have says i can install it through gui using synpatic package manager....
[07:52] <caffinated> unifi: unless of course you want the kernel source, in which case it'd be /usr/src
[07:52] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: That is what you were talking about right?
[07:52] <tritium> geneo93, good, then you should not need to setup any symlinks
[07:52] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: Right, and you need to enable universe first most likely, read the link I gave you for how
[07:53] <geneo93> tritium:  it was a rpm converted to deb
[07:53] <geppy> caffinated:  I've found mod_rewrite.load in mods-available;  do I just need to move that to mods-enabled, or is that A Bad Idea(TM)?
[07:53] <tritium> geneo93, eww
[07:53] <geppy> caffinated: It does a wildcard include of everything in mods-enabled
[07:53] <rtud2> I would love to get some hel oh getting the correct jre to work with scottrades live stock tracker.
[07:53] <llamabutcher> pizbit yes i am talking about that
[07:53] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: Look up sarcasm when you next see a dictionary:)
[07:54] <llamabutcher> i just wanted to follow this guide as much as possible. I am a linux noob, and getting this wireless to work is a pain in the ass
[07:54] <rtud2> what the java that is required?
[07:54] <llamabutcher> you mean i need to update my sources.list?
[07:54] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: And I told you to go enable universe and I told you http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats would tell you how, then you can go back to following that guide
[07:54] <geneo93> tritium:  you think apt will remove it all
[07:54] <caffinated> geppy: use a symlink instead
[07:54] <cicada> hello
[07:54] <tritium> geneo93, if it was a .deb, it should
[07:55] <cicada> is there a newbie channel for ubuntu or is this it
[07:55] <Pizbit> This is it.
[07:55] <tritium> cicada, this is it
[07:55] <geneo93> ok thanks so that place has sun java
[07:55] <spreda> geneo93: the problem was a lost profile. don't know why it moved back to uknown..
[07:55] <geppy> caffinated: cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled && sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load rewrite.load
[07:55] <geppy> caffinated: Something like that?
[07:55] <geneo93> ok spreda
[07:55] <llamabutcher> pizbit, i was only asking what my sources list has to do w/ synaptic package manager
[07:56] <caffinated> geppy: looks good to me
[07:56] <cicada> mplayer is not supported... correct?
[07:56] <geppy> caffinated: Much thanks! =)
[07:56] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: Synaptic uses your sources.list to find out what packages are availible.
[07:56] <caffinated> geppy: just remember to restart the server so it can reload the modules
[07:56] <geppy> caffinated: Righto. =)
[07:56] <tritium> geneo93, you'll be much happier installing java-package, downloading sun's j2re .bin, and then building your own j2re .deb with make-jpkg
[07:56] <cicada> does that mean i shouldn't ask about mplayer stuff here?
[07:57] <llamabutcher> oh i see
[07:57] <geppy> Speaking of which, is there any particular reason that RedHat's "Services" GUI hasn
[07:57] <geppy> 't
[07:57] <geppy> been adopted by GNOME?
[07:57] <Pizbit> cicada: mplayer, codecs, playing mp3s etc, read this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <geppy> Or at least ported to Ubuntu?
[07:57] <caffinated> geppy: i imagine they have bigger fish to fry as the hoary release is close
[07:57] <geppy> caffinated: Right.
[07:58] <tritium> geppy, what makes you think it will be ported or included?
[07:58] <geppy> caffinated: But, why hasn't some luser like myself done it?  It couldn't really be that difficult.
[07:58] <geneo93> tritium:  i have the bin rpm i'm on dialup here so i try to conserve bandwidth
[07:58] <caffinated> geppy: well, why don't you do it? :)
[07:58] <geppy> tritium:  I'm not thinking that it will be, I'm just noting that it's handy, and wondering why it hasn't been.
[07:58] <tritium> geneo93, java-package doesn't work with the .rpm
[07:58] <geppy> caffinated: touch =)
[07:58] <cicada> if I download a .deb is there a way to add it to synaptic... ??
[07:59] <tritium> cicada, you can install it with dpkg -i <package>
[07:59] <geneo93> but i have the deb also wonder if that would work
[07:59] <Pizbit> cicada: 'yes' but it's rather long and pointless, just dpkg -i packagefilename.deb
[07:59] <geppy> Supposing that I did, would it be likely that it'd be included in Breezy?
[07:59] <cicada> thanks
[07:59] <tritium> np
[07:59] <caffinated> geppy: if the powers that be like it, it's possible
[08:00] <geppy> Oooh, now _that_ would be nice. =)
[08:00] <caffinated> geppy: at worst it would be an installable package via the repositories
[08:00] <Dreamer3_> what's after hoary?
[08:00] <geppy> caffinated: =D
[08:00] <caffinated> Dreamer3_: slutty!
[08:00] <sabmoc> anyone use mod_python?
[08:00] <geppy> Dreamer3: Breezy
[08:00] <tritium> Breezy
[08:00] <geppy> hahaha
[08:00] <Dreamer3_> Breezy, eh?
[08:00] <geneo93> tritium:  this is what it says java version "1.4.2"
[08:00] <Vjaz> caffinated: Well unless it's really crappy, in which case no one would bother including it.
[08:01] <Dreamer3_> what do we have to look forward to in breezy?
[08:01] <geneo93> gcj-4.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 20050301 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0-0pre6ubuntu6)
[08:01] <geneo93> Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[08:01] <geneo93> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[08:01] <geneo93> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[08:01] <Vjaz> ;-)
[08:01] <llamabutcher> pizbit, i am looking for the multiuniverse repository?
[08:01] <codyman> membreya: any other repositories for amd64 i might want to add?  i noticed a site debian.video.free.fr lists some amd64 but i might interfere with ubuntu
[08:01] <caffinated> Vjaz: i think that all goes along with "if they like it"
[08:01] <geppy> haha, Vjaz. =)
[08:01] <llamabutcher> i found a site on my homepage arstechnica, that has tons of repositories to get almost anything...
[08:01] <membreya> codyman: that's the only one I've added
[08:01] <sabmoc> Dreamer3_, yep
[08:01] <geppy> Dreamer3_: It has been seamless for me, and I've done it multiple times.
[08:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: yes
[08:01] <tritium> Dreamer3_, it already is quite painless
[08:01] <codyman> membreya: ok
[08:01] <cicada> if i log onto my box using ssh...  can someone give me a pointer on sending the output of a video playback app to a local screen  (aka on the box the app is running on)
[08:01] <crimsun> now warty+$backports is a different story altogether
[08:02] <geneo93> tritium:  does that look right
[08:02] <sabmoc> Dreamer3, it will rend your soul... beware.. BEWARE!!!
[08:02] <Pizbit> cicada: ssh x forwarding
[08:02] <zelas_metallium> I'm trying to play a dvd, but I can't find libdvdcss2 in the package manager.
[08:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok, what's wrong with backports?
[08:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i have gaim+gtk2.6+firefox only :)
[08:02] <tritium> geneo93, hard to say
[08:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, maybe a few other small packages that looked nice, but not much
[08:02] <Pizbit> cicada: Wouldn't it be easier just to setup a samba share?
[08:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3: some are quite poorly versioned and will cause dist-upgrade ditches
[08:02] <tritium> zelas_metallium, RestrictedFormats
[08:02] <geppy> zelas_metallium: Go read the RestrictedFormats stuff that's been linked multiple times recently.
[08:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: suppose it's talked about on the forum somewheres?
[08:03] <crimsun> zelas_metallium: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[08:03] <cicada> pizbit: no i don't want to send the output to the remote machine... i want controll form the remote machine but output on the local machine
[08:03] <Dreamer3> crimsun: uninstallation instructions?
[08:03] <cicada> from even
[08:03] <zelas_metallium> sorry, I missed that link last time.
[08:03] <zelas_metallium> thanks
[08:03] <crimsun> Dreamer3: your best bet is to uninstall all backports prior to dist-upgrading on 6 abril, 2005
[08:04] <llamabutcher> Pizbit, am i looking for the multiuniverse repository?
[08:04] <Dreamer3> wow, it's REALLY pouring here now
[08:04] <geppy> Where would I look to find out information about turning my computer into a subdomain server of my website?  I currently simply have a redirect for the local subdomain to my IP, but when you go the redirect route, it changes the URL to myIP/whatever.  How can I have it be seamless, to the user?
[08:04] <Pizbit> llamabutcher: I told you universe, and I told you the link that would tell you how to enable it
[08:04] <tritium> cicada, you can try ssh -X
[08:04] <tritium> cicada, but I'd expect it to be too slow
[08:04] <llamabutcher> well i already know about updating my sources list
[08:04] <llamabutcher> thats not a problem
[08:05] <Dreamer3> crimsun: are the new ubp versions safe, or you don't know?
[08:05] <llamabutcher> that site has a lot of usefull information. I was looking to start installing things like flash and stuff next, it has nice guides. Thanks pizbit
[08:05] <crimsun> Dreamer3: ubp?
[08:05] <zelas_metallium> The RestrictedFormats page says to install that package, but it's not in the package manager, is there a different place to get it?
[08:05] <cicada> tritium: i don't want to send the video over ssh i want to control a box (over ssh) playing back video on its local screens
[08:06] <geppy> How can I have my computer act as a subdomain that I control?
[08:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: they changed how backports were versioned to try and solve these problems at one time i believe
[08:06] <tritium> zelas_metallium, you need to include the Marillat repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <thoreauputic> zelas_metallium: you didn't read the stuff about adding sources, did you?
[08:06] <factotum> to print to a printer on a win box, is samba involved?
[08:06] <zelas_metallium> tritium, thank you
[08:07] <tritium> zelas_metallium, sure
[08:07] <tritium> cicada, you should be able to
[08:07] <Dreamer3> i'm ready for the latest and greatest
[08:07] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I don't follow ubp, so unfortunately I can't comment.  I do know that as a universe maintainer, it is extremely difficult to track all the different external repos and have their packages interoperate smoothly with ubuntu's.
[08:08] <corza> hey guys.. i want to share folders with my Windows computer .. i've set up samba with my folder "My Music" how do i get my windows computer to read it
[08:08] <sig> anyone know a command to build a ubuntu package from a tar.gz ?
[08:08] <factotum> i just went up to hoary this afternoon, no problems so far, in fact some apps i had issues with now work without a hitch
[08:08] <tritium> corza, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:08] <cicada> i suppose what i don't really get is how displays work under linux in general... anybody point me at some background reading?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> sig, install checkinstall
[08:08] <tritium> sig, you can read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[08:09] <crimsun> checkinstall does absolutely awful things to package names
[08:09] <thoreauputic> crimsun: that's true :)
[08:09] <stuNNed> crimsun: i know it's probably not a good idea but going to stick with alsa-driver stable for now self compiled p16v support in 1.0.9rc2 seem broken
[08:09] <thoreauputic> crimsun: but for local use it does the job OK
[08:09] <tritium> sig, which package?
[08:10] <sig> png2ico-src-2002-12-08.tar.gz
[08:10] <cicada> i really want to use  mplayer to output to a secondary display, ... controlled from cron jobs and occaisioonal ssh sessions on a remotely
[08:10] <geneo93> tritium:  those instructions are for warty
[08:10] <factotum> wouldnt the source work though? if its missing a dep it usually stops with an error right?
[08:10] <tritium> geneo93, which?
[08:11] <factotum> saying the missing dep
[08:11] <crimsun> thoreauputic: perhaps.  It does pollute the package db, though, which makes me distraught.
[08:11] <geneo93> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JavaPackageBuild15001
[08:11] <tritium> geneo93, java-package is in Hoary as well.
[08:11] <tritium> and it works the same
[08:11] <|XO|> i get this wierd error when installing ubuntu....during the base system installation it say it cant find gcc-3.3.-base
[08:11] <crimsun> stuNNed: sure.  How is ca0106 in 1.0.9rc2 broken?
[08:11] <geneo93> well 90mb download is what i'm trying to avoid
[08:11] <|XO|> i see the package is there any way i can get it to read it?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> crimsun: ah, it's an aesthetic issue for you then? *grin*
[08:12] <tritium> sig, is it really worth the effort to build a .deb of it?  If so: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[08:12] <factotum> must need gcc-3.3 for some compiling reason
[08:12] <crimsun> stuNNed: you have to use a corresponding 1.0.9rc2 libasound2 as well
[08:12] <stuNNed> crimsun: no 24bit support for audigy2
[08:12] <sig> tritium: of course it is or I wouldn't be building one
[08:12] <sig> :)
[08:12] <stuNNed> crimsun: ah, so i need the libs as well? doh
[08:12] <sig> png2ico is a handy ass tool
[08:12] <tritium> sig, it might be easier to use a --prefix and install it somewhere convenient for the user who needs it
[08:13] <|XO|> factotum i realize that...but how come the installer doesnt see the package on my cd?
[08:13] <sig> tritium: how?
[08:13] <crimsun> thoreauputic: yes and no, but you can imagine what amarok-1.foo.bar for all different values of foo and bar does to dpkg's db as opposed to just amarok with 1.foo.bar as the version.
[08:13] <factotum> |XO|: oh alright, i see what you mean now
[08:13] <rtud2> Hello all
[08:13] <factotum> could just be bad media?
[08:13] <factotum> it happens
[08:14] <WebWiz> gaim 1.2 for ubuntu out yet?
[08:14] <tritium> sig, when building the source
[08:14] <|XO|> ill check...
[08:14] <tritium> WebWiz, no
[08:14] <thoreauputic> sig  ./configure --prefix= /path/name
[08:14] <|QuaD-> WebWiz: apt-cache show gaim
[08:14] <WebWiz> thanks
[08:14] <factotum> thoreauputic: stop it, im having slackware flashbacks LOL
[08:14] <thoreauputic> sig type ./configure --help for options
[08:14] <sig> no worries
[08:14] <sig> done
[08:14] <Pizbit> WebWiz: Nah, only 1.1.4
[08:14] <rtud2> I want to see java web content in my mozzila firefox
[08:14] <thoreauputic> factotum: haha
[08:15] <factotum> ah the afternoons i spent with that
[08:15] <rtud2> any input for me?
[08:15] <rtud2> :)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> rtud2: ubuntuguide.org
[08:15] <rtud2> okay thanks
[08:15] <robitaille> rtud2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:15] <thoreauputic> rtud2: lots of good tips
[08:16] <tritium> geneo93, okay?
[08:16] <odie5533> in XCHAT is there a way to get a list of channels in a window, maybe organized by number of people?
[08:16] <rtud2> suggestons on what I will be loking for?
[08:16] <factotum> nah, i still keep it around on my p166
[08:16] <kerframil> rtud2: the best approach I know of is to use java-package (debian support for converting a stock Sun Java JRE/JDK archive into a .deb)
[08:16] <isaac> odie: yes..
[08:16] <odie5533> how?
[08:16] <isaac> Menubar -> Window -> Channel List
[08:16] <odie5533> ah, thankyou isaac
[08:17] <rtud2> kerframil thanks
[08:17] <arrrrrr> err
[08:17] <rtud2> thoraeuputic:  thanks for your help
[08:17] <markybob> in hoary, i can no longer point nautilus to applications:/// nor applications-all-users:///  ...why is that?
[08:17] <membreya> god..the ubuntu repo's are a fair way behind with their revision of gaim ..they're currently running 1.1.4 when 1.2.0 is out
[08:18] <markybob> membreya you say that as if it didnt jump from 1.1.4 straight to 1.2.0
[08:18] <kerframil> rtud2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java (see "Method 2")
[08:18] <membreya> markybob: it did aye...but 11 days ago?
[08:18] <rtud2> kerframil:  okay
[08:19] <kerframil> rtud2: originally I followed the instructions in a forum post which were slightly simpler than the ones conveyed in the wiki
[08:19] <rtud2> kerframil:  thanks alot :)
[08:19] <kerframil> rtud2: np
[08:20] <tritium> have a good night, crimsun.  See you tomorrow.
[08:21] <GhostFaceKilla> who has a good source.list for Hoary?
[08:22] <GhostFaceKilla> tritiumcan you dcc me your /etc/apt/source.list?
[08:22] <GhostFaceKilla> tritium, can you dcc me your /etc/apt/source.list?
[08:23] <crimsun> d'oh, just missed him
[08:23] <membreya> GhostFaceKilla: just go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:24] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: the standard /etc/apt/sources.list should suffice
[08:24] <GhostFaceKilla> membreya, does me no good hoary
[08:24] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, I fried it
[08:24] <membreya> sure it does, you just need to change all the warty references to hoary
[08:24] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: how?
[08:25] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, adding and removing repos
[08:25] <GhostFaceKilla> I had too many marillat repos
[08:25] <GhostFaceKilla> the ubuntuguide says nothing about which marilliat to use for hoary
[08:25] <GhostFaceKilla> I just copied all three and just changed warty to hoary
[08:26] <GhostFaceKilla> to my chagrin you can't do that without problems
[08:26] <caffinated> GhostFaceKilla: http://caffinated.homeip.net/sources.list is what i use.  i'd made a few changes though.
[08:26] <GhostFaceKilla> I never could get a fix for that until not
[08:26] <caffinated> *i've
[08:30] <GhostFaceKilla> no one is will to share a US source.list with me?
[08:30] <GhostFaceKilla> no one is willing to share a US source.list with me?
[08:31] <robitaille> GhostFaceKilla, http://rafb.net/paste/results/LdZnYu80.html    but mine is pretty barebones :)
[08:31] <GhostFaceKilla> are where I can how I can restore the default?
[08:31] <caffinated> i don't LIVE in the US, so it stands to reason that i'm not going to use a US source list :P
[08:32] <GhostFaceKilla> robitaille, thx, but why did you even post this?
[08:32] <robitaille> caffinated,  is there a big delay getting updates from a ca sources instead of the uk default one?
[08:32] <caffinated> robitaille: i can't say, i don't live in the uk.
[08:32] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: btw, vlc's desktop entry is fixed.
[08:33] <robitaille> caffinated,  I guess I could try to swtich mine to the ca source; I never bothered until now; I guess it would be nicer for the nwtwork bandwith
[08:35] <flodine> whats up ubuntu folks
[08:36] <stuNNed> crimsun: still broken it seems
[08:36] <robitaille> I just remember a year or so ago, when I was using Fedora1,  it made a bug diffence to get a mirror, or the actual redhat repo; sometimes hour longer to get a security update; I guess I was afraid of the same here
[08:36] <crimsun> stuNNed: what is?
[08:37] <crimsun> stuNNed: 1.0.9rc2?
[08:38] <stuNNed> crimsun: p16v support for audigy2, eys
[08:38] <stuNNed> yes*
[08:38] <verden01>  I have ubuntu 4 installed and want to install kubuntu-desktop via apt-get and when i go to do this i get a message saying "Couldn't find package Kubuntu-desktop"
[08:38] <stuNNed> crimsun: regular pcm works fine
[08:38] <verden01> any ideas
[08:39] <crimsun> stuNNed: and you've confirmed via cvs revisions that this is the case?
[08:39] <Pizbit> verden01: It's only in hoary I believe
[08:39] <stuNNed> crimsun: nope. just tried rc2
[08:39] <robitaille> verden01,  I thought "kubuntu-desktop" package was only available in hoary..but I could be wrong
[08:39] <Pizbit> verden01: And there's no such thing as ubuntu 4 :)
[08:40] <dex1> The install under VMware running on Win XP seems to be going well so far. It's downloading all the security updates  at the moment. System runs slowly but it may be just the install; good that it picks up the DSL connection for downloading.
[08:40] <robitaille> Pizbit,  rounding error :)
[08:40] <Pizbit> robitaille: Hehe
[08:40] <WebWiz> Worked well using Microsoft virtual PC too
[08:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: it's not high priority really, i've submitted a big to gnome's bugzilla regarding gstreamer and custom sink to enable p16v but reckon should wait until at least it makes it into stable before following up on bug?
[08:41] <Ubabe> anyone have any idea why my extra repositories settings found in /etc/apt/sources.list arent loading?
[08:41] <Ubabe> im getting this error: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:41] <verden01> ok 4.10  ???
[08:41] <Pizbit> Ubabe: You havn't hti reload in synaptic or done: sudo apt-get update yet?
[08:41] <Ubabe> is this misspelt/out of date/what?
[08:41] <Ubabe> Pizbit: im not following...
[08:41] <stuNNed> crimsun: p16v support in alsa for audigy2 that is (wait until stable)
[08:42] <Pizbit> Ubabe: Read what I said again then.
[08:42] <verden01> ok i hav warty  can i upgrade to the latest via apt-get?
[08:42] <MaxeyPad> what is a normal amount of swap for a system with 512MB of ram
[08:42] <Ubabe> ive updated using sudo apt-get update, some install and others dont
[08:42] <robitaille> verden01,  latest what?   Ubuntu?  or kde?
[08:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: not sure how gst would really help there, besides being able to specify a virtual device.
[08:43] <Pizbit> verden01: Yeah, change all 'warty' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'hoary'(eg: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and use your user's pass): apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:43] <verden01> Ubuntu
[08:43] <Pizbit> verden01: And then install kbuntu-desktop
[08:43] <verden01> thanx
[08:43] <Ubabe> pizbit: Could not download all repository indexes" is my error message
[08:44] <stuNNed> crimsun: as the custom sink is broken in gst and works in xine?
[08:44] <Ubabe> here goes a wordy error msg following that one...
[08:44] <Ubabe> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[08:44] <stuNNed> i.e. p16v support in rc1
[08:44] <Pizbit> Ubabe: Dump your source.list into www.pastebin.com
[08:45] <Ubabe> ...how can i check if the spelling of the network servers is wrong, or not available? this is like 5 repositiries that dont wanna let me download.
[08:45] <Ubabe> www.pastebin.com??
[08:45] <Pizbit> yes
[08:45] <crimsun> stuNNed: afaik, the fact that p16v support even works in RC1 is a complete fluke, because it appears to be utterly broken
[08:45] <robitaille> Ubabe,  you can always point your browser to the url in your source to see if the netwrok is reachable
[08:46] <stuNNed> crimsun: and broken it is in rc2 heh, i'll help jcdutton if i can
[08:46] <dex1> check you have a net connection initially
[08:46] <GhostFreeman> http://www.livejournal.com/users/ghostfreeman/14312.html
[08:47] <GhostFreeman> Read if you use Bittorrent
[08:47] <sabmoc> anyone use an alarm clock for their desktop? Im looking for one.
[08:48] <verden01> thanx Pizbit i'm doing an new apt-get update now
[08:48] <dex1> read.
[08:49] <dex1> that janis article on filesharing was a good read.
[08:50] <robitaille> sabmoc,  alarm clock???  I don't use one...but I have young kids to wake me up early in the morning :)
[08:50] <michal_> I have a little problem.. seems that the commercial ati radeon drivers don't support switching resolution on the fly.. is this true?
[08:50] <flodine> can you install muine with apt?
[08:51] <sabmoc> robitaille, hey!
[08:51] <sabmoc> robitaille, how are you?
[08:51] <robitaille> sabmoc,  ha!
[08:51] <AcidWolf> i got a problem i use Eth0 for internet access and it is configured and im using it now but after like 15-20 mins it shuts itself off and then i cant get the connection until i reboot and even then it sometimes doesnt work this only started happening this morning any ideas what might be the problem
[08:52] <crimsun> flodine: in Hoary, yes.
[08:52] <crimsun> flodine: it's in universe.
[08:52] <robitaille> sabmoc,   I'm fine;  we finally met at the same time in the same channel :)
[08:52] <flodine> im new to ubuntu where do i go
[08:52] <sabmoc> robitaille, lets talk on #ubuntu-ca
[08:53] <crimsun> flodine: here
[08:53] <dex1> flod: for what?
[08:53] <flodine> muine
[08:53] <dex1> also new, incidentally.
[08:53] <crimsun> flodine: enable the universe repo, then install muine
[08:53] <robitaille> AcidWolf,  dying network card?  I had one doing that to me for a little while...it would work for a while, then die, until I rebooted.  A couple of days later it was totally dead :(
[08:54] <dex1> requesciat in pace
[08:54] <dex1> Let's take a moment.
[08:54] <AcidWolf> robitaille what kind of machine was it
[08:54] <AcidWolf> or card for that matter
[08:54] <flodine> where do i find the univer repo
[08:54] <crimsun> flodine: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[08:54] <AcidWolf> flodine
[08:55] <flodine> hoary
[08:55] <AcidWolf> open terminal and type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <robitaille> AcidWolf,  an old pentium 3, with a very cheap network card.  It was a couple of years ago, do details are a bit foggy
[08:55] <dex1> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:55] <AcidWolf> robitaille im on an Apple G4 Powerbook that is only 8 months old i dont think the card would do that so quickly
[08:56] <robitaille> AcidWolf,  you're right. but it sounded the same initially
[08:56] <AcidWolf> yeah
[08:56] <dex1> Someone else mentioned a URL in here but I never bookmarked it. It wasn't the planet one where warty andhoary were mixed up but listed packahes by category (misc, perl, admin, documentation etc) and it was searchable as well I think. anyone know of it?
[08:57] <crimsun> dex1: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[08:57] <dex1> merci
[08:57] <flodine> acidwolf im in that etc file
[08:57] <flodine> gedit
[08:57] <AcidWolf> show me in PVT what you see
[08:58] <AcidWolf> paste me your sources list and ill tell you what to add and where
[08:58] <AcidWolf> :)
[08:59] <membreya> how do I fix it if my system is saying /dev/dsp is busy ...apart from rebooting :P
[08:59] <AcidWolf> check to see what is using /dev/dsp
[09:00] <membreya> and I do that how AcidWolf ? :P
[09:00] <AcidWolf> cause something might be using it from boot and then you have to find what is using it and diable it in order to use it for what you want
[09:00] <AcidWolf> membreya hang on let me check
[09:00] <robitaille> membreya,   " lsof | grep dsp "
[09:01] <AcidWolf> yeah thats it
[09:01] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:01] <voltagex> anyone want to hazard a guess as to why the nvidia driver has stopped working on my machine? if I use nv in xorg.conf it's all nice otherwise X won't start, no errors in logs or anything
[09:01] <flodine> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:01] <flodine> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:01] <membreya> AcidWolf: fixed it anyhoo..just restarted the program that crashed in the first place and it released /dev/dsp
[09:01] <AcidWolf> well that your be the reason yes membreya
[09:02] <michal_> isn't there a way to change the resolution in ubuntu when using the fglrx driver?
[09:02] <AcidWolf> lol next time mention something has crashed
[09:02] <ricochet> Question, I installed ubuntu a long time ago, then changed my sources to debian so I could get stuff I wanted.  Now I changed back to hoary, distupgraded.. trying to install kubuntu-desktop, but I am getting the error:kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed  help?
[09:02] <AcidWolf> but membreya remeber the command cause being able to check what is using a certain service is very useful for working around alot of other problems aswell
[09:02] <flodine> acidwolf you see that
[09:03] <AcidWolf> no
[09:03] <membreya> thanks for that AcidWolf :)
[09:03] <lewwy> hey guys
[09:03] <flodine> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:03] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:03] <AcidWolf> dont thank me thank robitaille
[09:03] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:03] <lewwy> i have a problem
[09:03] <lewwy> my net doesnt work under ubuntu
[09:03] <AcidWolf> flodine i sent you a private message
[09:03] <AcidWolf> lewwy
[09:03] <AcidWolf> be specific
[09:03] <lewwy> and i only just installed this today so im a complete noob
[09:04] <lewwy> k
[09:04] <lewwy> sorry
[09:04] <AcidWolf> ok
[09:04] <lewwy> I have two net interfaces
[09:04] <lewwy> eth1 and eth2
[09:04] <lewwy> argh
[09:04] <michal_> ?? nobody here uses an ati radeon card with ubuntu?
[09:04] <lewwy> soz
[09:04] <lewwy> i think...
[09:04] <lewwy> sorry whats the default eth thing?
[09:04] <lewwy> so if i had one card
[09:04] <lewwy> it would default to eth*?
[09:04] <lewwy> what number?
[09:04] <lewwy> eth1?
[09:04] <K6LNX> does ubuntu livecd have an install to hdd similar to knoppix?
[09:04] <ricochet> 0
[09:04] <AcidWolf> lewwy do you have a little network monitor icon in the corner of your menu bar
[09:04] <lewwy> thats the thing
[09:04] <lewwy> no net
[09:04] <lewwy> had to reboot into windows
[09:05] <lewwy> but no
[09:05] <lewwy> it didnt have it there
[09:05] <lewwy> ok i'll start again
[09:05] <lewwy> eth1 is screwed (nvidia onboard)
[09:05] <michal_> I guess this means I have to go back to the crappy "ati" driver :(
[09:05] <lewwy> eth2 is okay (davicom 10/100 something)
[09:05] <AcidWolf> lewwy eth1 should be eth0
[09:05] <lewwy> it uses a DHCP connection
[09:05] <lewwy> hmmm
[09:05] <michal_> man. linux still has a long way to go with vendor driver support :(
[09:06] <lewwy> i tried making a new network location
[09:06] <Dreamer3> anyone run ubuntu on a itx mainboard?
[09:06] <lewwy> nah
[09:06] <lewwy> and it seemed to make more network interfaces
[09:06] <AcidWolf> lewwy ok get rid of all the network connections in there
[09:06] <AcidWolf> make Eth0
[09:06] <lewwy> k
[09:06] <lewwy> how do i do that?
[09:06] <AcidWolf> and set it to use DHCP
[09:06] <AcidWolf> and then at boot it will be configured for you
[09:06] <lewwy> k
[09:06] <AcidWolf> ill tell you now lewwy
[09:06] <lewwy> k thx
[09:06] <AcidWolf> gimme a sec
[09:07] <lewwy> by the way guys i really appreciate you helping me
[09:07] <lewwy> or to be more specific
[09:07] <lewwy> AcidWolf
[09:07] <lewwy> remind me to send u a few beers lol
[09:07] <AcidWolf> will do
[09:08] <lewwy> well apart from this mishap
[09:08] <geneo93> read faster
[09:08] <lewwy> ubuntu seems to be one of the better linux distros i've used
[09:08] <lewwy> up there with SuSE
[09:08] <lewwy> 'cept SuSE uses RPM's (blargh)
[09:08] <Jeezis> never tried suse
[09:08] <lewwy> yeh
[09:08] <lewwy> once you use synaptic
[09:08] <lewwy> yum just plain sucks
[09:08] <lewwy> and so does yumex
[09:09] <michal_> jesus.. i'm going back to windows till i can work this out.. this is killing my eyes
[09:09] <Jeezis> i like using apt-get personally
[09:09] <Jeezis> hehehe
[09:09] <lewwy> hang on michal
[09:09] <lewwy> what?
[09:09] <geneo93> yast really sucks
[09:09] <lewwy> whats a matter with u?
[09:09] <lewwy> oh lol
[09:09] <lewwy> low refresh rates?
[09:09] <lewwy> yast?
[09:09] <lewwy> YaST?
[09:09] <lewwy> meh
[09:09] <lewwy> yast is ok
[09:09] <lewwy> but then again i'm a complete and utter linux noob
[09:09] <lewwy> i know...how to apt-get (sorta)
[09:10] <lewwy> setup network stuff (only in GUI, no ifconfig crap)
[09:10] <Jeezis> i like it because its so simple
[09:10] <lewwy> apt-get?
[09:10] <lewwy> yeh apt-get is mad
[09:10] <jroes> anyone know where SCSI emulation is in kernel config?
[09:10] <jroes> (need scsi emulation for cdrecord)
[09:10] <lewwy> lol i was using Damn Small Linux with synaptic
[09:10] <lewwy> and im like
[09:10] <lewwy> man...this kicks ass
[09:11] <Jeezis> heh, yeah
[09:11] <lewwy> windows doesnt have anything that COMPARES to synaptic
[09:11] <dex1> Oh I should probably ask, it's still installing (the downloading packages from the repositories part), prior to that just after th reboot though it said onscreen "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device :: 0000: etc". Should I just ignore that and not worry about it? :)
[09:11] <lewwy> dex1
[09:11] <LaMishto`> hi there.. someone from romania? ;)
[09:11] <lewwy> after th reboot?
[09:11] <Jeezis> i'm just waiting for ati to put out a driver for their x800 pro mobility vid card
[09:11] <lewwy> lol
[09:11] <Jeezis> i dont have any 3d accel right now :(
[09:12] <lewwy> well the second i get net up and running
[09:12] <lewwy> i will get the nv driver
[09:12] <lewwy> however i will say one thing
[09:12] <lewwy> the overall graphics support seems to be better in ubuntu
[09:12] <michal_> ok.. back in windows
[09:12] <Jeezis> lewwy: true true
[09:12] <michal_> the problem seems to be the fglx driver
[09:12] <michal_> maybe
[09:12] <Jeezis> michal_: no dont do it!
[09:12] <Andrei> lewwy don`t laught at me :P
[09:12] <LordKahless> does ubuntu use a standard kernel? if not where can i get the ubuntu patches for it?
[09:12] <Andrei> :D
[09:13] <Jeezis> LordKahless: what do you mean?
[09:13] <geneo93> lewwy:  use apt-get nvidia-glx
[09:13] <lewwy> net doesnt work
[09:13] <lewwy> im in winblows at the moment
[09:13] <michal_> it doesn't support xrandr (or whatever the extension name is).. and so you can't easily tweak resolution/refresh rate without resorting to editing config files and restarting X
[09:13] <dex1> lewwy: Yes, what?
[09:13] <LordKahless> is the kernel that comes with ubuntu vanilla or are they're special patches?
[09:13] <lewwy> dex1: nvm
[09:13] <dex1> lewwy, you wrote dex1 after I asked: "dex1: Oh I should probably ask, it's still installing (the downloading packages from the repositories part), prior to that just after th reboot though it said onscreen "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device :: 0000: etc". Should I just ignore that and not worry about it? :)"
[09:13] <dex1> ah ok
[09:13] <michal_> althought i find it hard to believe that fglx doesn't support the extension :/
[09:14] <lewwy> oh
[09:14] <lewwy> ok
[09:14] <Jeezis> LordKahless: i believe they are vanilla, but i'm not sure
[09:14] <lewwy> well nvm dex1
[09:14] <Jeezis> have you checked the site?
[09:14] <lewwy> they're not vanilla
[09:14] <lewwy> they're choclate!
[09:14] <lewwy> :D
[09:14] <michal_> anyone else here use a radeon under ubuntu?
[09:14] <LordKahless> i couldnt find anything... let me check the wiki
[09:14] <LordKahless> i do
[09:14] <Jeezis> michal_: i'm trying to
[09:14] <lewwy> *silence*
[09:14] <geneo93> and strawberry
[09:14] <LordKahless> my radeon seems to work good
[09:14] <flodine> acidwolf you there
[09:14] <michal_> LordKahless, which driver?
[09:14] <LordKahless> fglrx
[09:14] <lewwy> AcidWolf you still working on my howto thingo?
[09:15] <Jeezis> anyone have an ati x800 pro mobility driver?
[09:15] <lewwy> its probably too recent
[09:15] <lewwy> WTF
[09:15] <michal_> LordKahless, with the ati drive it works horribly in that things often take 100% of my cpu when they shoudl take almost none.. poor hardware accelleration
[09:15] <lewwy> x800 mobility?
[09:15] <lewwy> isnt the x800 like the bees knees?
[09:15] <michal_> LordKahless, can you use the change resolution program?
[09:15] <lewwy> the cats meow?
[09:15] <Jeezis> lewwy: yes, i have a sager :-D
[09:15] <LordKahless> i've never tried it
[09:15] <lewwy> how much u want for it?
[09:15] <lewwy> 5 dollars?
[09:15] <michal_> there's an x800 pro mobility? i didn't even know it had come out :P
[09:16] <lewwy> well if you cant get drivers for i
[09:16] <lewwy> it*
[09:16] <Jeezis> lewwy: well, $5, both your kidneys and your first born
[09:16] <lewwy> its probably a relabled s3 virge
[09:16] <lewwy> Jeezis: lol
[09:16] <michal_> LordKahless, could you try it now? I want to know whether it's just me or the driver that has the problem
[09:16] <Jeezis> i tried using fglxr and it doesnt work, i guess i just have to wait
[09:17] <flodine> where do go to get muine from guys
[09:17] <michal_> fglxr is from the beggining of the year.. they well need to update it to support something as new as your chpset
[09:17] <lewwy> argh
[09:17] <lewwy> i want net supoooooooooooooort
[09:17] <michal_> uin the meantime be happy that you have such a fantastic chipset in a laptop :P
[09:17] <LordKahless> one sec
[09:17] <Jeezis> lewwy: whats the problem?
[09:17] <lewwy> k
[09:18] <lewwy> network problems Jeezis
[09:18] <LordKahless> works for me
[09:18] <lewwy> i cant get on the net
[09:18] <lewwy> or on the LAN
[09:18] <michal_> LordKahless, no shit? I wonder why :/
[09:19] <lewwy> hey dudes
[09:19] <lewwy> not to sound pushy
[09:19] <michal_> LordKahless, tells me the driver doesn't support the xrandr extension
[09:19] <lewwy> but can we please watch the language
[09:19] <lewwy> if my parents see swearing
[09:19] <lewwy> they get suss
[09:19] <Olsen> where can i get the latest bleeding edge ubuntu?
[09:19] <Olsen> live cd
[09:19] <michal_> geeze.. sounds like some people are overprotective :P
[09:19] <dex1> olsen: ubuntu.org, download link is on the right
[09:20] <Olsen> i know
[09:20] <dex1> called 'hoary'
[09:20] <Olsen> ok
[09:20] <michal_> haha! good point
[09:20] <lewwy> yeh
[09:20] <michal_> at least it's not whorey
[09:20] <lewwy> why the hell is it called the woary hedgehog?
[09:20] <lewwy> why the hell is it called the hoary hedgehog?
[09:20] <lewwy> typo
[09:21] <lewwy> k
[09:21] <robitaille> lewwy,  why not?
[09:22] <lewwy> meh
[09:22] <lewwy> spose
[09:22] <robitaille> lewwy,  as long as it is a good product, I don't really care about the name
[09:22] <lewwy> yeh true that
[09:22] <Olsen> what player is inclued on hoary?
[09:22] <Olsen> mplayer, xine?
[09:22] <lewwy> but its like ttetang, hidenburg, hoary, etc.
[09:22] <lewwy> weird names
[09:22] <super_dude2> hey whats the defult admin pass for ubuntu
[09:23] <michal_> can't wait for the distribution which uses dicator's names..
[09:23] <dazed_> i need some help....i started installing ubuntu packages and my comp shut down and now when i load it up the desktop doesnt load so i have to install the packages frum the terminal what is the command?
[09:23] <flodine> can i get muine for hoary
[09:23] <michal_> i just sudo passwd root
[09:23] <super_dude2> timmy?
[09:24] <super_dude2> ?
[09:24] <dazed_> ?
[09:24] <Olsen> i tryed ubuntu the latest stable, and sucked... it missed mp3 codec on some player
[09:24] <super_dude2> cause when i logon i dont have acsses to any other foldrer than home?
[09:25] <dazed_> hwo do i install broken packages and uninstalled packages through terminal?
[09:25] <dex1> olsen: that's more a third-party download situation where you'd need to find a codec. Still, I'm still installing it in the backgrnd so what do i know
[09:27] <michal_> LordKahless, any chance you could send me your xorg config file? maybe somethign is wrong in mine.. just email it to michal.dobrzynski at gmail.com
[09:27] <dazed_> how do i install packages that didnt get to finish installing from the terminal!?!?!?
[09:27] <lewwy> hmmm
[09:27] <lewwy> ok
[09:27] <lewwy> guys
[09:28] <lewwy> i need some help
[09:28] <dazed_> or how do i run a distro update through apt-get
[09:28] <lewwy> i have heaps of eth interfaces
[09:28] <dazed_> anyone?
[09:28] <lewwy> and my net doesnt work
[09:29] <lewwy> eth2 is the proper interface i want to use
[09:29] <menator> moo
[09:29] <eyequeue> Olsen:  first, you usede an entire distro and it sucked because it did one thing less than perfectly? um, sure, okay
[09:29] <dazed_>  how do i install packages that didnt get to finish installing from the terminal!?!?!?
[09:29] <eyequeue> Olsen:  second, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:30] <super_dude2> yo whats defult admin pass?
[09:30] <eyequeue> Olsen:  even if you;re really the sort to believe the first, the second will still be of use to you
[09:30] <geneo93> sudo
[09:30] <eyequeue> super_dude2:  are you perhaps asking the root passwrod?  there is none
[09:30] <eyequeue> super_dude2:  see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:30] <Pizbit> Olsen: Lol, never bothered to read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats did you?
[09:30] <dazed_> how do i install packages that didnt get to finish installing from the terminal!?!?!?
[09:31] <Pizbit> dazed_: Just run the install command again
[09:31] <super_dude2> look i installed it but i cant get into any folders apart frome home ????? all the others wont let me add to them
[09:31] <lewwy> yo pizbit
[09:31] <eyequeue> dazed_:  basically, re-run the apt-get command you used initial, or even just "sudo apt-get -f install"
[09:31] <Pizbit> dazed_: And remove your ! and ? keys, you've used them enough for today
[09:31] <dazed_> Pizbit: i dont know it ... i was using synaptic
[09:31] <lewwy> i have a network problem
[09:31] <lewwy> can u help
[09:31] <Mestapheles> salutations
[09:31] <eyequeue> dazed_:  in that case, the lat bit of the line i typed :)
[09:32] <Pizbit> lewwy: Why don't you check out http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html?  Maybe you'll learn how to ask more meaningful questions.
[09:33] <dazed_> eyegue: i tried that and it gave me this "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem" is that what i should run?
[09:33] <Pizbit> dazed_: Yep, put sudo in front though
[09:33] <eyequeue> okay, this is definitely #ubuntu not (other channel) lol.  someone comes in and bashes the distro and i help them anyway? lol
[09:33] <dazed_> gratzias
[09:34] <eyequeue> dazed_:  ah cool, you just gave the answer, do what it suggested (with sudo in front though)
[09:34] <intrade> i use sux
[09:35] <lewwy> wowzers
[09:35] <lewwy> smart questions owns
[09:35] <lewwy> k
[09:35] <Mestapheles> anyone know where /dev/cdrom has gone to in hoary?  I can't enable DMA using /dev/cdrom or /media/cdrom0
[09:35] <lewwy> NOW i have a question
[09:35] <lewwy> I cannot access my internet
[09:35] <intrade> how u got here?
[09:35] <lewwy> eth2 is my correct network interface
[09:35] <robitaille> Mestapheles,  /dev/cdrom is still there for me on my machine.
[09:35] <lewwy> howeveri have eth1, eth0, lo and sid0
[09:36] <lewwy> i get the error in X windows on Hoary Hedgehog Preview
[09:36] <Mestapheles> robitaille:you're using hoary I take it.  What arch?
[09:36] <eyequeue> Mestapheles:  let's pretend your cdrom is at /dev/hdc, you can type 'sudo ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/hdc'  (substitute for your actual cdrom)
[09:36] <lewwy> before i asked here
[09:37] <robitaille> Mestapheles, hoary, i386.
[09:37] <intrade> pump eth0 -i
[09:37] <lewwy> what robitaille?
[09:37] <lewwy> u talking to me?
[09:37] <eyequeue> lewwy:  not sure i can help, but i'm impressed, you have many network cards in that box it seems, what do you use it for?
[09:37] <intrade> its on kanotix  like that
[09:37] <intrade> for lan
[09:37] <lewwy> thats the thing
[09:37] <lewwy> i dont
[09:37] <lewwy> i've got 3
[09:37] <lewwy> well
[09:37] <lewwy> i spose thats a lot
[09:37] <intrade> wops
[09:37] <lewwy> k
[09:37] <intrade> pump -i eth0
[09:37] <lewwy> eth0 is my Nvidia onboard network
[09:37] <lewwy> however thats screwed
[09:38] <intrade> hmm
[09:38] <eyequeue> lewwy:  okay, wild guess, you may have a firewire port that it says "hey, this COULD be a network interface" and it makes it one?
[09:38] <lewwy> nah
[09:38] <lewwy> no firewire
[09:38] <lewwy> USB
[09:38] <eyequeue> lewwy:  lok through the output of 'dmesg" to see if it sheds some light
[09:38] <lewwy> eth0 is screwy, i dont need it (as in, physically stuffed)
[09:38] <lewwy> k
[09:38] <lewwy> i'll just keep explaining for the time bein
[09:38] <lewwy> in windows you see
[09:38] <eyequeue> np
[09:38] <lewwy> eth1 is my davicom 10/100 network
[09:39] <lewwy> no workee
[09:39] <intrade> get kanotix live cd
[09:39] <lewwy> eth2 is my 10mbps realtek oldskool card
[09:39] <intrade> no meed for win then
[09:39] <lewwy> who me?
[09:39] <intrade> yup
[09:39] <lewwy> if its over 100mb
[09:39] <lewwy> i cant do that
[09:39] <manoj91> help: internal modem
[09:39] <lewwy> i have knoppix
[09:39] <intrade> kanotix AND  ubunty seem to have load in common
[09:39] <lewwy> wait i'll look that up
[09:39] <Mestapheles> eyequeue:will try.  Funny I was sure that debian was set up with ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/DVD, but I can start to see a problem here
[09:39] <intrade> knoppix is ass
[09:40] <Mestapheles> in setting it up like my debian install
[09:40] <intrade> knoppix cant be updated
[09:40] <eyequeue> kanotix actually does handle many nics (esp wireless) that otehrs don't.  that said, it didn't handle mine, but ubuntu did effortlessly
[09:40] <lewwy> so is there some command i can type that will remove eth0 and eth2?
[09:40] <manoj91> help: internal modem please
[09:40] <lewwy> and sid0?
[09:40] <intrade> manoj91: \
[09:40] <intrade> get xandros or buy a external
[09:40] <intrade> wandros 2.0
[09:40] <intrade> x
[09:41] <intrade> all linux work on external hardware modems
[09:41] <lewwy> so can i remove the offending interfaces?
[09:41] <intrade> yup\
[09:41] <eyequeue> Mestapheles:  yeah, just a comment.  sometimes symlinks are handy, but using the real device name is always useful.  and in certain situations (like "/dev/modem") a symlink can actually be no good (but not yours, just build them)
[09:41] <lewwy> cool bens
[09:41] <lewwy> how
[09:41] <intrade> you can always make new ones
[09:41] <lewwy> beans*
[09:42] <menator> webcam apps? recomend?
[09:42] <P3L|C4N0> gnomeeting
[09:42] <lewwy> so how do i remove them?
[09:42] <lewwy> WHOAH
[09:42] <lewwy> KANOTIX IS 700MB
[09:42] <Mestapheles> eyequeue: don't you mean ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom ?  rather than ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/hdb because the second pathway is the newly created symlink?
[09:42] <eyequeue> lewwy:  it's a livecd distro, yes
[09:42] <lewwy> k
[09:43] <lewwy> so how do i remove the interfaceS?
[09:43] <lewwy> does anyone know how to remove the offending network interfaces?
[09:43] <eyequeue> Mestapheles:  it's late here, if i said it bckwards it's both plausible and i apologize.  fortunately even if you hadn't known, it would have errored :)
[09:44] <Mestapheles> just checking since I hardly use symlinks, but I appreciate the response
[09:44] <lewwy> so...can anyone please help me with my network problems?
[09:45] <lewwy> i'd try to get in and bum around myself
[09:45] <lewwy> but i suck ass at linux
[09:45] <lewwy> and acidwolf bailed on me
[09:45] <lewwy> so can anyone here help me?
[09:45] <intrade> right mouse button remove?
[09:45] <intrade> tryed thet
[09:45] <lewwy> someone said something about pump eth0?
[09:45] <intrade> that
[09:45] <lewwy> right mouse button wha?
[09:45] <intrade> thats to satrt it
[09:45] <lewwy> where?
[09:45] <intrade> wher its listed
[09:45] <lewwy> hey AcidWolf
[09:45] <AcidWolf> hey
[09:45] <intrade> i dont got ubuntu
[09:45] <lewwy> solved ma problem?
[09:46] <AcidWolf> well done
[09:46] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:46] <lewwy> no as in
[09:46] <AcidWolf> did any of the info i gave you help
[09:46] <kev0r> ooooh exciding, writing my first dvd with k3b
[09:46] <kev0r> drums roffle
[09:46] <lewwy> info you gave me...
[09:46] <eyequeue> lewwy:  as i said i'm probably no use for you, so i wish someone else would have chimed in.  one thought, if for example there was a firewire issue, you could disable firewire support and it wouldn't sense that.  don't know if something parallel could be of use for your situatation, just tossing out food for thought
[09:46] <lewwy> what info?
[09:46] <AcidWolf> regarding network
[09:46] <intrade> if you cant work it get kanotix.com
[09:46] <lewwy> i'd probably need about 4 different ways i *could* get this working
[09:47] <eyequeue> lewwy:  rather than pump, i'd recommend dhclient (from the dhcp3-client package)
[09:47] <lewwy> kanotix = too big
[09:47] <lewwy> ye
[09:47] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[09:47] <intrade> 700mb cd
[09:47] <lewwy> i think that package would be online
[09:47] <lewwy> no?
[09:47] <lewwy> intrade if you want to burn it and mail it to me
[09:47] <lewwy> i'd be very much obliged
[09:47] <eyequeue> lewwy:  i have a strong suspicion it's what is on the isntall cd, and pump is probably not
[09:47] <lewwy> so dhclient you reckon
[09:48] <intrade> where u live? i download at 3.0 kdps
[09:48] <lewwy> how would i install that
[09:48] <lewwy> 3 what?
[09:48] <lewwy> 3k a sec?
[09:48] <eyequeue> pump is rather redhatty, dhclient is what is envogue in debian, and ubuntu comes from debian-land
[09:48] <intrade> yup
[09:48] <lewwy> as in...10 mins to get a meg
[09:48] <falcon3> Hi, i get this error: ERROR: failed to initialize HAL!
[09:48] <intrade> 5 days for 700mb
[09:48] <lewwy> hah lol
[09:48] <lewwy> i get at 26kb a sec
[09:48] <lewwy> but im over waiting 4 hours for a simple distro to download
[09:48] <intrade> k download it yur self
[09:49] <intrade> geees
[09:49] <lewwy> sorry man
[09:49] <intrade> anyway i am out of here i come back when i got ubuntu on a mac
[09:49] <lewwy> didnt mean to sound snotty
[09:49] <intrade> n /p
[09:50] <intrade> seyas all
[09:50] <lewwy> *cries*
[09:50] <eyequeue> i seem to think i fetched kanotix over bittorent, that might be faster?
[09:50] <falcon3> *tickles*
[09:50] <lewwy> *giggles*
[09:50] <intrade> ftp is fastest
[09:50] <intrade> here
[09:50] <eyequeue> not if he's got a terrible connection to the ftp host for some reason though
[09:50] <lewwy> ok
[09:50] <lewwy> dhclient youse reckon?
[09:50] <lewwy> how do i configure dhclient?
[09:51] <intrade> k seyas
[09:51] <eyequeue> lewwy:  try it, i suspect it's on your box, if it's not all you'll get is an error message, no harm done
[09:51] <lewwy> k
[09:51] <lewwy> but i gotta reboot anddd.... *sigh*
[09:51] <lewwy> k
[09:51] <lewwy> brb in 5
[09:51] <lewwy> either in ubuntu or in winblows
[09:51] <lewwy> cya
[09:51] <lewwy> wait
[09:51] <lewwy> do i have to config dhclient?
[09:52] <eyequeue> lewwy:  literal answer, you edit /etc/dhclient.conf, or something.  actual answer, you most likely have no need, just run 'sudo dhclient eth0' (or whatever interface)
[09:52] <lewwy> k
[09:52] <lewwy> thx
[09:52] <lewwy> cya in t
[09:52] <lewwy> 5*
[09:52] <eyequeue> but later, you twek that file if you like
[09:53] <falcon3> how do i manually startup hotplug?
[09:53] <menator> /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[09:53] <eyequeue> or restart, in case it's running already?
[09:53] <menator> /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[09:53] <cicada> hi all !
[09:53] <menator> /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[09:53] <menator> to stop
[09:53] <DR_K13> yo
[09:54] <menator> you can use that command respectively for any service in init.d
[09:54] <cowbud> hey when is day light savings time?
[09:54] <falcon3> menator: at boot i get this Starting hotplug subsystem..., and it hangs there
[09:55] <eyequeue> cowbud:  yesterday, if in england, weeks from now it in usa,  you have to give more data
[09:55] <Dreamer3_> hmmm, anyone use asmem on ubuntu, doesn't seem to be working right
[09:55] <cowbud> eyequeue: uhh in the US sorry :)
[09:55] <eyequeue> in utc, i never have to worry about winter time vs summer time :)
[09:55] <cowbud> I got it
[09:55] <cowbud> first sunday of April
[09:55] <cowbud> lovely
[09:55] <menator> falcon3: have you checked your logs or dmesg output?
[09:55] <eyequeue> cowbud:  i'm there too, but i have no idea, just know it's weeks away, sorry (all UTC here)
[09:55] <cicada> any pionter for getting multimonitors to work... hoary IBM thinkpad laptop with ATI Radeon Mobility ... very basic tip of where to start first =)  newborn linux today
[09:56] <falcon3> menator: can you tell me how to check them?
[09:56] <eyequeue> cowbud:  btw, your box should handle it automagically
[09:56] <cowbud> eyequeue: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html I added US to my google search ;)
[09:57] <MatthewJohn> wasnt it planned at one time to be able to burn mp3s to cd in rhythmbox?
[09:57] <eyequeue> cicada:  okay, i'm annoyed.  there's an appname that i can't recall, but that's the magic starting point.  someone here may know, maybe a google for multihead and ubuntu if not?
[09:57] <cowbud> eyequeue: yah but I need to get up in time also :)
[09:57] <menator> falcon3: the logs are in /var/log/ and just use whatever editor you like to view them.
[09:57] <menator> to look at your kernel message output use the 'dmesg' command at the shell prompt.
[09:57] <eyequeue> cowbud:  okay :)  that i can't help with other than suggesting drink a lot of water before, bed, heh
[09:57] <cowbud> haha
[09:57] <cowbud> thanks
[09:57] <Mestapheles> eyequeue: sudo ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom worked like a charm!  Noe I can watch DVDs on an old 400 mhz mac!
[09:57] <falcon3> menator: there is no file in /var/log called hotplug
[09:58] <eyequeue> Mestapheles:  wow, cool use
[09:58] <Nils_> *nix Newbie here. Why do I get a "couldn't find package" error when I try to install said package with apt-get, when it's sitting on my desktop?
[09:58] <corza> can anyone help me out with my windows network?
[09:58] <menator> falcon3: check syslog
[09:58] <eyequeue> falcon3:  /etc/init.d/hotplug (but i think it may log to /var/log/syslog, or maybe /var/log/messages)
[09:58] <kain> Nils_, dpkg -i
[09:59] <menator> or messages
[09:59] <corza> can anyone help me out with my windows network?
[09:59] <falcon3> menator: thats full of usb device errors
[09:59] <eyequeue> Nils_:  because that command looks in the repositories, not your desktop, for future reference (for now, use that command he gave)
[10:00] <eyequeue> corza:  ummmmmmm, the pay support line at microsoft?
[10:00] <Dreamer3_> asmem just doesn't seem to show the bar
[10:00] <menator> falcon3: what kind of processor you using?
[10:01] <falcon3> intel
[10:02] <menator> falcon3: type lsmod and the shell and tell me if you see ehci_hcd or uhci_hcd
[10:02] <eyequeue> corza:  there may be some generic help channels on freenode here where they would know things like that ?
[10:02] <Nils_> Hey, that worked. Sweet. Thanks.
[10:03] <MaRk-I> anyone had problems running Live CD or Install CD from the freebies???
[10:04] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  "the freebies?"  i downloaded each here for free and they work well here if you mean that
[10:04] <MaRk-I> live cd goes blank after the splash screen and install  cd fails... some hoarty cd error
[10:04] <MaRk-I> eyequeue: the ones ubuntu ships
[10:05] <bur[n] er> MaRk-I: hoary cds shipped?
[10:05] <bur[n] er> that's not for awhile
[10:05] <MaRk-I> bur[n] er: that's the error it tells me when installing it
[10:05] <MaRk-I> no idea tho
[10:05] <bur[n] er> use warty and just change your sources to get to hoary? ;)
[10:06] <bur[n] er> tha'ts kinda what i did
[10:06] <bur[n] er> (except i came from another debian based distro)
[10:06] <eYeStRaIn> does anyone have a solution on hotplug stalling on boot, i think its something to do with the pci* files in /etc/hotplug coz everytime i remove it, it boot up my linux smoothly, but i couldnt get my network to work
[10:06] <MaRk-I> bur[n] er: basically first time installing so I have no idea about names etc.
[10:07] <MaRk-I> versions that is
[10:09] <MaRk-I> so neither cd works .... I have AMD athlon 850Mhz, 128Mb RAM, 2 HD 60 and 8Gb and CD and DVD rom..
[10:09] <MaRk-I> live cd doesnt do anything after splash screen
[10:09] <MaRk-I> just goes blank
[10:09] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  okay, just aquick intro: warty is the current stable release, version 4.10.  hoary is the not-yet-released (but close) development release, version 5.04
[10:10] <MaRk-I> eyequeue: oh thanks guess it's the warty release
[10:10] <Dreamer3_> hey
[10:10] <Dreamer3_> can anyone download asmem really quick and test it on their system
[10:10] <Dreamer3_> it's tiny
[10:10] <eYeStRaIn> eyequeue: so hoary is buggy and warty is less buggy?
[10:10] <eYeStRaIn> lol
[10:10] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  cool, wish i could help with the blank screen, but it's out of my league
[10:10] <Dreamer3_> the memory bars don't seem to display on mine
[10:11] <eYeStRaIn> i run out of blank cdrs
[10:11] <eyequeue> eYeStRaIn:  basically, but not terribly so at this stage (release is 6 april)
[10:11] <eyequeue> you're away btw
[10:12] <MaRk-I> the disc just says version 4.10 (intel x86 edition)
[10:12] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  yeah, warty
[10:12] <eYeStRaIn> i cant get hoary to work correctly on my laptop, it always freezes on hotplug, i remove hotplug but i cant get my network running
[10:12] <hardy> What apt reposity contains libvdvcss?
[10:12] <eyequeue> wdh: Unable to locate package libdvcss
[10:13] <crimsun> hardy: if you mean libdvdcss2, it's in debian-marillat
[10:13] <Dreamer3_> anyone?
[10:13] <bur[n] er> MaRk-I: u could try the hoary disks ?
[10:14] <DR_K13> anyone have an installer for a ca0106 sound card?
[10:14] <MaRk-I> bur[n] er: don't have a burner
[10:14] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  i somewhat suspect it's video related, are you perhaps on a video card that it doesn't like?
[10:14] <bur[n] er> well shitty ;)
[10:15] <MaRk-I> eyequeue: I guess so but there's no option to tweak it
[10:15] <MaRk-I> I'm on mdk 10.1 right now
[10:15] <crimsun> DR_K13: running Hoary?
[10:15] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  i'm no guru with it, just hoping to trigger someone else to help
[10:15] <scottj> anyone know what package Xert is in? I need it for compiling ion (a window manager)
[10:15] <MaRk-I> eyequeue: thanks appreciated
[10:16] <scottj> Xext, not Xert
[10:16] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  in console there, the output from "dmesg | less" might tell you something about your hardware, if that's any help, not sure
[10:16] <crimsun> scottj: you probably mean Xext, which is in libxext-dev
[10:16] <MaRk-I> eyequeue: I dont get anything not even console
[10:16] <MaRk-I> just blank and the cd spinning
[10:16] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  i mean in mdk
[10:16] <MaRk-I> oh
[10:17] <lewwy> hey guys
[10:17] <crimsun> scottj: it's easier just to apt-get build-dep ion3
[10:17] <eyequeue> MaRk-I: mdk sees and likes your hardwre, so it knows it all
[10:17] <lewwy> my nets still not working
[10:17] <lewwy> any other suggestions?
[10:17] <lewwy> im on my other computer so i can roll onto my other computer
[10:17] <lewwy> thats got ubuntu running
[10:17] <lewwy> so any ideas on how to get network working?
[10:17] <lewwy> brb
[10:17] <MaRk-I> well I know I have conflicts  with IRQ with sound and wireless but other than that
[10:17] <crimsun> DR_K13: ?
[10:18] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  just a quick information point, do you get anything at all of potential interest just before the blanking?
[10:18] <scottj> crimsun, nice, I didn' t know ion was in the repo
[10:19] <hardy> How do I access that repository?
[10:19] <crimsun> hardy: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:19] <MaRk-I> eyequeue: just the UBUNTU splash... if I press ESC I see when its detecting hardware, etc. then same thing... blank
[10:19] <hardy> How do I access that repository?
[10:20] <Dreamer3_> any way to dock afterstep stuff on a gnome panel?
[10:20] <crimsun> hardy: follow the instructions on the web page I just gave you.
[10:20] <bur[n] er> MaRk-I: just try the install :)
[10:20] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  i know you don't want to isntall right now, but ... does that cd get anywhere? (choose expert and abort before anything would write to the hard drive)
[10:21] <MaRk-I> bur[n] er: hahaha I did then I got a disk error cd/something/warty
[10:21] <MaRk-I> after it does the partitions and starts to install pkgs.
[10:21] <bur[n] er> shitty
[10:21] <eyequeue> MaRk-I:  then that cd can definitely cope with your video card, so we learned something
[10:22] <ruffian> crimsun: Just the man i was looking for :)
[10:22] <MaRk-I> I tried the default, custom and expert mode.... (something like that)
[10:22] <MaRk-I> in installation
[10:23] <ruffian> crimsun: I forgot to save our conversation over the sound card. Sorry. When you have some time could you please help me out?
[10:23] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  let me dig a bit, i know there's a gnome app to "swallow" non-gnome apps to the panel
[10:24] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: thanks!
[10:24] <lewwy> k back
[10:24] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: maybe you could run asmem on your pC and see if the info displays right as well?  doesn't seem to work here :(
[10:24] <lewwy> anyone got any suggestions for my net problems?
[10:24] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  wow, i was close :)  gnome-swallow-applet - meta-applet to embed any application in the GNOME panel
[10:24] <lewwy> anyone got any suggestions on my network problems?
[10:25] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: downloading, would you mind trying asmem?
[10:25] <dex1> lewwy: I've no idea
[10:25] <lewwy> i'll explain it again
[10:25] <dex1> Ubuntu finished installing and Gnome started, I went to the display config section (since it was at a very high res and therefore really small) and changed the settings from down to 1024x768 and upped the monitor refresh to 75hz. Then the screen corrupted with lines across it and now I can't see anything on it. :*(
[10:25] <lewwy> so how r u typing?
[10:25] <lewwy> anyway
[10:25] <lewwy> i have eth0, eth1 and eth2
[10:26] <lewwy> however eth0 is not working properly
[10:26] <dex1> lewwy: It's running on vmware so it's kind've a separate computer thru that program
[10:26] <crimsun> ruffian: what do you need?
[10:26] <Liz> change it back then dex1
[10:26] <lewwy> and dhclient doesnt pickup any IP addresses from my ADSL router
[10:26] <dex1> Liz: I can't because I can't see any menus because it's all a mess at that resolution
[10:26] <lewwy> anything else other than dhclient?
[10:26] <ruffian> crimsun: I need to fix up my sound again. I tired out the amd64 version, but it was quite unstable, so changed back to the i386
[10:27] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  Setting up asmem (1.9-2) ...
[10:27] <eyequeue>  (iow i'm on hoary today) but it produces a small box with the info in it here, seems to be what it should do
[10:27] <crimsun> ruffian: similar instructions are on the forum
[10:27] <lewwy> anything other than dhclient that fixes DHCP issues?
[10:27] <dex1> I'd edit a file to do it but I've no idea where the settings'd be. Being new
[10:27] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  warty or hoary there?
[10:27] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: i have warty
[10:27] <lewwy> anything other than dhclient that fixes DHCP issues?
[10:28] <ruffian> crimsun: Ok. I will try searching for it
[10:28] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  a possibility that a bug has been fixed in between, other than that i can't suggest much
[10:28] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: does it work for you? shows correct #'s and graphs and all?
[10:28] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  would something like gkrellm suit your needs?
[10:28] <lewwy> anything other than dhclient that fixes DHCP issues?
[10:29] <Seveas> lewwy, stop repeating
[10:29] <Seveas> and no
[10:29] <lewwy> lol
[10:29] <lewwy> ok
[10:29] <dex1> my thoughts too.
[10:29] <lewwy> soz
[10:29] <lewwy> its just that ubuntu seems like a GREAT os
[10:29] <Seveas> perhaps dhcp3-common, but the client depends on that
[10:29] <lewwy> and i really wanna use it
[10:29] <dex1> patience
[10:29] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: i specifically saw this in dsl screenshots and was interested... it works for you?
[10:29] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  nothing i can see that i'd call graphs, just a couple of oneliners that say mem 52 and swap 0
[10:29] <lewwy> but the net doesnt work
[10:29] <Seveas> lewwy, by all means: use it :)
[10:29] <lewwy> yeh...but its pretty limited without net
[10:29] <Seveas> lewwy, type dpkg -l | grep dhcp3
[10:30] <dex1> yes we got that stop repeating it in such quick succession
[10:30] <lewwy> ok
[10:30] <lewwy> sorry
[10:30] <Seveas> and see whether it says ubuntu2 in the version
[10:30] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  and under each of those a line that says 0 and 0%, whatever that means
[10:30] <lewwy> *cries*
[10:30] <lewwy> k
[10:30] <lewwy> brb
[10:30] <lewwy> i mean
[10:30] <lewwy> rolling across*
[10:30] <puls1on> sorry but i have a problem: i can't see z  partitions of my friend which are in the ugly ntfs format
[10:30] <puls1on> any1 could help me?
[10:30] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: eyequeue http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-1rc1a.jpg bottom corner
[10:30] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: that's what it should look like
[10:30] <Seveas> puls1on, what do you mean with "cant see"
[10:30] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  no clue if that is what it should do or not, but no errors here and i do get that
[10:31] <puls1on> they arent writen in fstab
[10:31] <Seveas> puls1on, did you mount them already?
[10:31] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: i think it's not working for either of us, how weird
[10:31] <puls1on> so ubuntu think taht they dont exist
[10:31] <scottj> anyone know how to use the default gtk theme (what is it, clearlooks?) on other windowmanagers, like ion?
[10:31] <Seveas> puls1on, paste the output of the following command in a private chat and I will give you the text to add to /etc/fstab
[10:31] <crimsun> scottj: it's useful only for gtk2 apps
[10:31] <lewwy> k
[10:31] <Seveas> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:31] <scottj> or rather, use whateverthe gtk theme in gnome is with something else
[10:32] <lewwy> it says nothing about ubuntu
[10:32] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  yeah, nothing at all like that, though no errors on the console i started it from just in case
[10:32] <dex1> Don't suppose there's a hotkey combination to change the screen resolution? I changed it in Gnome to a lower res (it was high and thus small) and the display messed up so now I can't see anything onscreen to change it back (blocks of corrupted graphics)
[10:32] <lewwy> the dhcp3 grep thing says nothing about ubuntu
[10:32] <scottj> crimsun, everything looks great in gnome, but when I run firefox and openoffice and evolution in ion they look like crap
[10:32] <lewwy> hang on dex
[10:32] <lewwy> cant you like hit ctrl alt backspace?
[10:32] <lewwy> to kill X?
[10:32] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: yeah, no errors here either, hmmmmmmm
[10:32] <lewwy> and then goto the conf file and change the res?
[10:32] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  fwiw, i've got something similar in the same position here, gkrellm, which is very configurable with many separate module packages, which may appeal
[10:33] <Seveas> lewwy, it should say something like this:
[10:33] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ dpkg -l | grep dhcp
[10:33] <Seveas> ii  dhcp3-client   3.0.1-1ubuntu4 DHCP Client
[10:33] <Seveas> ii  dhcp3-common   3.0.1-1ubuntu4 Common files used by all the dhcp3* packages
[10:33] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  and ... it does work, heh
[10:33] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: i know all about gkrelmm :)  just getting tired of the same boring desktop...
[10:33] <eyequeue> np
[10:33] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: i tweaked my gnome desktop to look like xfce 4.2 a while back, but even that is getting old
[10:33] <lewwy> yeh
[10:33] <lewwy> lol
[10:33] <lewwy> 'cept ubuntu1
[10:33] <lewwy> Seveas
[10:33] <eyequeue> Dreamer3_:  i've seen you around before, right?
[10:34] <Dreamer3_> eyequeue: not sure :)
[10:34] <eyequeue> it's late, names blur
[10:34] <Dreamer3> i've been here before
[10:34] <Seveas> lewwy, are you on warty or hoary?
[10:34] <dex1> lewwy: that worked thanks.
[10:34] <lewwy> the preview
[10:34] <lewwy> hoary
[10:34] <Seveas> hmm
[10:34] <lewwy> thats ok dex1
[10:34] <Seveas> ubuntu1 should work too
[10:34] <Seveas> ubuntu2 had errors
[10:34] <Dreamer3> i'm downloading damnsmalllinux now, want to play around on old boxes... they don't run ubuntu very well
[10:34] <lewwy> lol dex1 im like a super noob at linux
[10:35] <Seveas> lewwy, are you on wireless or wired?
[10:35] <lewwy> mmm
[10:35] <lewwy> wired
[10:35] <lewwy> over a hub
[10:35] <Seveas> one card?
[10:35] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  that can be very sweet on old kit
[10:35] <lewwy> yep
[10:35] <Seveas> and are you sure you need to use dhcp?
[10:35] <lewwy> well
[10:35] <lewwy> the ADSL router likes dhcp
[10:35] <lewwy> and it seems easy
[10:35] <Seveas> ok :)
[10:35] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  and write-protected floppy is appealing for a firewall box too
[10:35] <lewwy> do you want to know my computer setup
[10:35] <crimsun> scottj: try executing ,,gnome-settings-daemon &''
[10:35] <lewwy> ?
[10:36] <Seveas> then perform the following sequence of commands and paste any error in a private chat:
[10:36] <lewwy> i mean
[10:36] <lewwy> network setup
[10:36] <Seveas> sudo -s
[10:36] <Seveas> ifconfig eth0 up
[10:36] <Seveas> dhclient eth0
[10:36] <lewwy> this could take a while
[10:36] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: i'd rework freesco with the 2.6 kernel and uclibc if i ever had time :)
[10:36] <dex1> So which file would I edit to change the screen resolution? I changed it down from 1280x1024 to 1024x758; and causing the display to mess up. Ideally I'd like it at 1024, still reasonable resolution but actually visible. The gfx card is an ATI rage128 I believe. Now I think of it I may've put the wrong monitor resolutions in, since I have an older machine with a different monitor
[10:36] <geneo93> Seveas:  he cant paste
[10:37] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  you geek you! :) (said in th most complimentary manner)
[10:37] <scottj> sweet crimsun, you rock
[10:37] <lewwy> dex
[10:37] <lewwy> i think i know
[10:37] <lewwy> or something
[10:37] <Seveas> geneo93, well, then he'll have to type them :)
[10:37] <lewwy> argh
[10:37] <lewwy> what
[10:37] <scottj> crimsun, the only one that doesn't work for is openoffice
[10:38] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: it seems to swall the window and leave it on the desktop as well, not what i'd hoped for :)
[10:38] <lewwy> should be /usr/lib/X11/X11R6
[10:38] <lewwy> or something
[10:38] <lewwy> vi the config file
[10:38] <lewwy> hey Seveas
[10:38] <lewwy> it puts it up
[10:38] <lewwy> (eth1 by the by"
[10:38] <crimsun> scottj: dpkg -l openoffice.org-gtk-gnome|grep ^ii
[10:38] <lewwy> and then i dhcp it
[10:38] <dex1> hmm I vaguely remember that from the other day, different directory tho. but I'm not sure which
[10:38] <lewwy> it says
[10:38] <lewwy> well
[10:39] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  ick. hey, a thought, any chance that pic was of asmem, like gkrellm, with a ton of addon modules that we just don't know about?
[10:39] <hardy> How do I access that repository?
[10:39] <lewwy> it ends in no dhcp offers recieved
[10:39] <lewwy> then it sleeps
[10:39] <dex1> I'll see if the wiki suggests anything too along the lines of that. thank you
[10:39] <Seveas> lewwy, strange
[10:39] <crimsun> hardy: _please_ follow the directions at the url I pasted above
[10:39] <Seveas> lewwy, try sudo mii-diag eth1
[10:39] <Seveas> and see if it says "link: established"
[10:40] <Dreamer3> hmmmmm
[10:40] <Dreamer3> what would cause burn-in on an LCD?
[10:40] <hardy> how do i acces debian-marillat?
[10:40] <lewwy> Seveas can i go into private chat with u?
[10:40] <scottj> crimsun, 1.1.3-8ubuntu1
[10:41] <crimsun> hardy: _please_ follow the directions at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:41] <lewwy> linkbeat
[10:41] <lewwy> everythings workin fine
[10:41] <crimsun> scottj: ok, looks good.  Not sure why it isn't working for that app.
[10:41] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[10:42] <lewwy> Seveas?
[10:42] <Dreamer3> my gnome panels seem to be burnt into my LCD screen
[10:42] <lewwy> oh no
[10:42] <Seveas> lewwy, sure
[10:42] <lewwy> how olds your lcd?
[10:42] <eyequeue> crimsun:  will wiki.u*.org/foo always substitute for the u*.org/wiki/foo i've been typing to everyone?  could save me some typos if so
[10:42] <lewwy> oh ok Seveas
[10:42] <lewwy> so any more ideas?
[10:42] <Dreamer3> lewwy: hmmm... maybe 2-3 years tops?
[10:43] <lewwy> lol old skool
[10:43] <Dreamer3> lewwy: the burn it appears to today's weather though
[10:43] <lewwy> anyone else here uberly good at networking in ubuntu?
[10:44] <Seveas> lewwym you can private chat with me
[10:44] <lewwy> ooh
[10:44] <Seveas> we're getting close to the problem :)
[10:44] <lewwy> k
[10:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: are they supposed to do that after a few years?
[10:45] <lewwy> few years on the same screen
[10:45] <lewwy> yes
[10:45] <Dreamer3> lewwy: hmmmm... not like i don't use a screen saver
[10:46] <crimsun> eyequeue: afaik, yes
[10:46] <eyequeue> i heard lcds were supposedly resistant to that too
[10:46] <eyequeue> crimsun:  thanks
[10:47] <sebastian_> hi
[10:47] <Dreamer3> guess there is no degaus or anything that might fix it?
[10:47] <sebastian_> is there anybody using an apple keyboard with i386
[10:48] <eyequeue> lcd often == laptop, i'd be nervous about degaus near the hd
[10:49] <nullzero> godd morning
[10:49] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: this is a 19" samsung LCD
[10:49] <dex1> Typical, the ATI site has linux drivers but only for the newest cards. Anyone know what file to edit as Gnome won't display after I changed the screen res down?
[10:49] <eyequeue> cool
[10:49] <AlohaWolf> I want to do a clean install of hoary, how do I backup my users (not their files, but their passwords and other info) when I do this?
[10:49] <Dreamer3> i think i'll be just a little upset in a bit
[10:49] <dex1> I was sure my ati rage 128 supported the lower (1024x768) res :/
[10:49] <Seveaz> AlohaWolf, backup /etc/groups, /etc/shadow, /etc/passwd
[10:49] <Dreamer3> not cheap
[10:50] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow, things like that
[10:50] <sebastian_> no apple-keyboard-user here?
[10:50] <AlohaWolf> I want to do a clean instal and have it be transparent to the other people which use my system
[10:50] <Dreamer3> brb
[10:51] <dex1> hmm odd. after I ctrl-alt-backspace out've the corrupted gui display it goes to text mode and then after a while returns to the gui login screen (which displays ok)
[10:51] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  definitely consider tarring up /home then and copying it over
[10:51] <AlohaWolf> eyequeue, no need, its a seperate partition
[10:51] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  i was hoping you'd say that
[10:51] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  one thing to be careful about though
[10:52] <dex1> do I need to nano /somepath?/someconfigfile/ or something to remove the display resolution setting?
[10:53] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  and this just bit me this week :)  install various packages on warty that create a user, then install the same ones on hoary, but in a different order, the mysql user (for example) may get a different uid
[10:53] <nullzero> I have a problem with menu bars,i erased the one at the bottom, and after i created again, the programs that i open dont go to the menu bar, and i have to ALT+SHIFT to acess aplications
[10:53] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  then if you overwrite the passwd file, you'll find mysql can't start since it can't read it's own files (because they're now some other system user's files)
[10:54] <bob2> eyequeue: note system users and regular users live in different parts of the uid space
[10:54] <AlohaWolf> eyequeue, I had that problem when I moved from mandrake to Ubuntu
[10:54] <bob2> eyequeue: so it is possible to automatically recreate the normal users
[10:54] <eyequeue> bob2:  yeah, but both in the passwd file
[10:54] <bob2> right
[10:54] <bob2> you can't just copy it over
[10:55] <eyequeue> bob2: a chown -R set me back on the path of happiness again, but it took a minute to realize the fix
[10:57] <nullzero> I have a problem with menu bars,i erased the one at the bottom, and after i created again, the programs that i open dont go to the menu bar, and i have to ALT+SHIFT to acess aplications
[10:57] <nullzero> anyone guessing what could be?
[10:58] <Pizbit> nullzero: Just add it back on.
[10:58] <nullzero> i did
[10:58] <nullzero> the appl's dont go there
[10:58] <Pizbit> er?
[10:58] <nullzero> :S
[10:58] <eyequeue> someone correct me if i'm wrong, but would this work?  install base, overwrite the passwd etc, and then install the various packages that create system users.  i think theeir postinst's handle the  pre-existance of their users in a graceful manner if found, right?
[10:58] <nullzero> i guessing yes
[10:58] <bob2> hm, should work
[10:58] <Seveaz> eyequeue, I believe so but not 100% sure
[10:58] <nullzero> i'm*
[10:59] <AlohaWolf> eyequeue, the passwords themself are in /etc/shadow?
[10:59] <Seveaz> AlohaWolf, yes
[10:59] <Pizbit> nullzero: Ok let's start from the begining, by 'menu bar' do you mean the gnome-panel?
[10:59] <jpizza> hi all
[10:59] <nullzero> i mean the one at the bottom
[11:00] <nullzero> the one that by default was the desktop windowing system
[11:00] <eyequeue> AlohaWolf:  yes, and that needs to match the uids in passwd of course (which have to match gids in group, in ubuntu typically)\
[11:00] <Pizbit> nullzero: Ok, I'm just going to randomly guess because you're not very forthcomming with information, right click on it, select "add to panel" and then select "window list" and click add
[11:00] <AlohaWolf> alrighty
[11:00] <AlohaWolf> I think I got it
[11:01] <rtud2> Aloha's from the Big Island
[11:01] <AlohaWolf> if I screw it up, Ill get email everyone with a new password
[11:01] <eyequeue> nullzero:  right click on the bottom menu bar, over to the left .... select add to menu, the plus siugn you'll get a long list
[11:01] <nullzero> thats it!
[11:01] <nullzero> thanks guys!
[11:01] <nullzero> :D
[11:01] <eyequeue> nullzero:  add something called "window list" (or the other window one?) and you should get what you want back
[11:01] <AlohaWolf> I live in Southern California
[11:01] <Pizbit> nullzero: Right, now that panel(or menu bar as you called it) is actually called "gnome-panel"
[11:01] <nullzero> oh
[11:01] <nullzero> that Pizbit and eyequeue
[11:01] <nullzero> thanks*
[11:02] <rtud2> How do you enable the hsr fold permission to make a new dir for java to install the jre
[11:02] <eyequeue> nullzero:  while there, experiment with the other ones, i added weather yesterday, heh
[11:02] <nullzero> ehehe
[11:02] <rtud2> oh
[11:02] <nullzero> im using gdesklets
[11:02] <rtud2> well
[11:02] <rtud2> Still aloha to all you from hawaii
[11:03] <rtud2> from my in Hawaii
[11:03] <membreya> does anyone know any easy way to burn .wma files onto an audio CD?
[11:03] <rtud2> anyway
[11:03] <nullzero> damn it, now i did it
[11:03] <rtud2> back to my question
[11:03] <rtud2> How do you enable the hsr fold permission to make a new dir for java to install the jre
[11:04] <nullzero> now i removed the drop down lists in the gnome panel
[11:04] <nullzero> system,appl,etc
[11:04] <nullzero> oh man..
[11:04] <rtud2> or accept a new dir
[11:04] <nullzero> now my day
[11:04] <Myrtti> nullzero: have you tried the rss-things?
[11:04] <Dreamer3> is there an xscreen saver that can display a rotations of images on your screen?
[11:04] <nullzero> no i haven't
[11:05] <Myrtti> dammit
[11:05] <nullzero> :(
[11:05] <Seveaz> Dreamer3, yes
[11:05] <Myrtti> I have, and they worked fine until I finally managed to get my locales correct
[11:05] <Dreamer3> Seveaz: do you know it's name?
[11:05] <rtud2> did my question make sense
[11:05] <rtud2> ?
[11:05] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  i scroled through all the default-installed ones last night, and don't recall seeing any like that
[11:05] <Myrtti> now scandic letters display all wrong, and playing around with the source doesn't help
[11:06] <Dreamer3> going to try a plain white image to fix this burn in/image persistence
[11:06] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  many will modify your screen though, drops and thikee l
[11:06] <eyequeue> the like
[11:06] <Dreamer3> so i want my screensaver to make the screen all white
[11:07] <eyequeue> all black is easy btw
[11:07] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: duh :)
[11:07] <eyequeue> k
[11:07] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: that obviously hasn't helped, sine that's the default :)
[11:07] <Seveaz> Dreamer3, i believe it's not in the default Ubuntu install
[11:07] <eyequeue> why will white help?
[11:07] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: just my reading on the net
[11:07] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: can't hurt :)
[11:08] <eyequeue> could make the whole thing burn in to nothingness? heh, but go with the advice from those who know, not from me
[11:08] <Dreamer3> Seveaz: hmmm...
[11:09] <eyequeue> some, like electricsheep, are available as additonal packages
[11:09] <Dreamer3> apt-cache search screen saver didn't help
[11:10] <eyequeue> onewordnospace?
[11:10] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: What're you after?
[11:10] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: i need to try and undo some image persistence/burn-in on my lCD... so instead of a screen saver I need a solid white screen when I'm not using the PC
[11:10] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: so i'm looking for something in xscreensaver to achieve this purpose
[11:10] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Wouldn't that burn in white?:)
[11:11] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: i've done some reading and have hope :)
[11:11] <Pizbit> heh
[11:11] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  non-laptop, right?  you were the 19" guy i think
[11:11] <Seveas> Dreamer3, use decayscreen
[11:11] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: yes
[11:11] <Seveas> and in advanced, tell xscreensaver to use your image
[11:12] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Try one of xscreensaver-gl rss-glx  heh?
[11:12] <Seveas> GLSlideshow maybe..
[11:12] <Daehlie> is there anyway to improve my xscreensaver performance, i get tops 13fps
[11:13] <Daehlie> and I have a radeon9700 pro
[11:13] <telemaco> where is the sources of the ubuntu custom debian installer ?
[11:13] <Pizbit> Daehlie: Install the ATI drivers?
[11:13] <Daehlie> apt-get install fglrx
[11:14] <Dreamer3> Seveas i don't see how to tell it to use my image
[11:14] <Pizbit> Daehlie: That's nice.
[11:14] <zerokarmaleft> anybody tried building mono 1.1.5 from source?
[11:14] <Seveas> Dreamer3, in advanced, select choose random image
[11:15] <Seveas> and then select a directory containing just your white one
[11:15] <eyequeue> telemaco:  if no one chimes in with the specific answer, browse your lcal mirror under /ubuntu bit *not* under /ubuntu/pool, the others are fairly small, and i think i saw it there (and not the warty hoary etc)
[11:15] <eyequeue> telemaco:  someone should have the specifics, but that's the best i know tonight
[11:16] <telemaco> eyequeue: thanks
[11:16] <eyequeue> good luck
[11:17] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Wouldn't any screensaver that changes the whole screen work?
[11:17] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: no
[11:17] <Pizbit> awww:)
[11:17] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: i've been using screen savers all along and blaking hte monitor and still have burn-in so obviously not :)
[11:17] <Pizbit> ahh
[11:17] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: it may be permanent, who knows, but i'm gonna try
[11:18] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  a quick thought, if you burned in, it was obviously when the screen was active, so any screensaver is probably not in control enough to matter?  or this white is "medicine" to cure the issue, so that's not relevant?
[11:18] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: yes, white is medicine :)
[11:19] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: one guy said it took 3 days and fixed his screen
[11:19] <Ubabe> i have an extra resource problem
[11:19] <Pizbit> heh
[11:19] <Dreamer3> so instead of sleeping 8 hours every night, solid white
[11:20] <eyequeue> drape a towel over it if in the bedroom, or you'll have sunlight and melatonin issues, and you'll end up locked in a psych ward, and ... well, nm
[11:21] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  "extra" resource?
[11:21] <MaRk-I> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6103.html
[11:21] <MaRk-I> gee
[11:21] <MaRk-I> I'll try that
[11:21] <Ubabe> yeah, see if you can goto this link for me, this is from the Unofficial Ubuntu guide
[11:22] <Ubabe> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:22] <pepsi> 
[11:22] <MaRk-I> kahping, I also facing the same problem when running the LiveCD but it' is solved when I change the boot options by using "1280x1024, VESA driver" options on the GRUB.
[11:22] <MaRk-I> 
[11:22] <MaRk-I>  Maybe you can try this out, but I don't know whether it works for you or not:
[11:22] <MaRk-I> 
[11:22] <MaRk-I>  1. From the GRUB menu, scroll down to "Submenu -> More boot options"
[11:22] <MaRk-I> 
[11:22] <MaRk-I>  2. Try using any one of the options available in there.
[11:22] <pepsi> how can i make non-ascii characters look good in xchat?
[11:22] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  i'm there, which number?
[11:23] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: my gnome trashcan applet is burnt in, and i didn't add that THAT long ago... so it's been a recent thing
[11:23] <Pizbit> LOL
[11:23] <Pizbit> Nasty:D
[11:23] <Ubabe> some of these repositories wont work for my Ubuntu-PPC install
[11:24] <Pizbit> Ubabe: Probably because they don't have any PPC packages?:P
[11:24] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  hmm, ppc, that may well be a factor, though i know it would not be with official ubuntu-supported repos, these may not support that platform
[11:25] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  which repo had the problem?
[11:27] <lewwy> anyone know where seveas went?
[11:28] <Ubabe> this one won't work: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/
[11:28] <lewwy> anyone know where seveas went?
[11:29] <Ubabe> obviously im only seeing i586 drivers here and no ppc resources here for some reason.
[11:29] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  well, he's a debian developer, and while debian-proper supports ppc, he's just one man.  perhaps a polite email offering him an account on your machine to develop on might be what he needs to do it? (or perhaps he has no time, but it can't hurt)
[11:29] <bob2> someone else has rebuilt Christian's repository for ppc
[11:30] <bob2> it's linked from his page
[11:30] <eyequeue> marillat@debian.org
[11:30] <Ubabe> he? whose he?
[11:31] <bob2> he = christian marrilat, the kind soul who packaged all that software
[11:31] <eyequeue> pub  1024D/1F41B907 1999-10-03 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org>
[11:31] <Ubabe> eyequeue: im not sure im following you
[11:31] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  what bob2 said
[11:31] <Ubabe> aha
[11:31] <bob2> Ubabe: eyequeue is suggesting you offer to help Christian build the packages on PPC
[11:31] <bob2> I already said someone else has done that
[11:31] <bob2> and christian links to them from his site
[11:31] <odie5533> Anyone here know how to use vmware on ubuntu?
[11:31] <Ubabe> maybe the links are down, i dunno
[11:32] <odie5533> I downloaded the trial, and am not sure how to use it =/
[11:32] <bob2> odie5533: best to talk to the vmware company
[11:32] <bob2> Ubabe: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[11:32] <lewwy> odie
[11:32] <lewwy> thats easy
[11:32] <lewwy> whats your problem man
[11:32] <lewwy> i use vm a bit
[11:32] <lewwy> but i may have to go soon
[11:32] <Pizbit> odie5533: Just run the installer?:0
[11:32] <odie5533> Well, I made the .deb file
[11:33] <odie5533> then I did dpkg -i vmware(the actual filename)
[11:33] <odie5533> it installed
[11:33] <odie5533> then... I didn't know where to go from there
[11:33] <lewwy> ohhhhh
[11:33] <lewwy> in linux
[11:33] <lewwy> perhaps you should type vmware in konsole
[11:33] <Pizbit> You can get debs of vmware?:) Didn't know that
[11:33] <odie5533> no no
[11:33] <odie5533> I made it
[11:33] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, did you use alien to convert the rpm?
[11:33] <lewwy> and keep hitting tab until it finds it
[11:33] <odie5533> yes
[11:33] <odie5533> alien
[11:33] <eyequeue> odie5533:  dpkg -L vmware | grep bin
[11:33] <lewwy> gtg fellas
[11:33] <lewwy> cya
[11:33] <Pizbit> lewwy: konsole? This isn't #kubuntu :)
[11:33] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, you'll probably have to run sudo vmware-config.pl
[11:34] <eyequeue> odie5533:  that should tell you the command names in that package, and one should run what you need
[11:34] <odie5533> one minute
[11:34] <odie5533> Do you guys have vmware running?
[11:34] <odie5533> or are able to run it?
[11:34] <Pizbit> Yeah
[11:34] <Pizbit> I just ran the installer script
[11:34] <odie5533> on linux?
[11:34] <zerokarmaleft> i have 4.5.2 atm
[11:34] <eyequeue> odie5533:  zerokarmaleft has experience with it, i'm only speaking generically
[11:34] <odie5533> ah ok
[11:35] <Pizbit> Didn't bother with making debs or anything
[11:35] <odie5533> it says vmware isnt installed
[11:35] <odie5533> I installed the workstation
[11:35] <Dreamer3> what's the difference between update and dist-upgradE?
[11:35] <odie5533> is that the incorrect installation file?
[11:35] <zerokarmaleft> hmm
[11:35] <odie5533> vmwareworkstation_5.0.0-13015_i386.deb generated with alien
[11:35] <bob2> Dreamer3: the apt-get manpage explains it
[11:35] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: One will add/remove extra/erronerous packages, the other wont
[11:35] <zerokarmaleft> well i used the the installer included in the tarball
[11:35] <odie5533> oh
[11:35] <zerokarmaleft> instead of converting the rpm with alien
[11:35] <bob2> Dreamer3: dist-upgrade will add/remove packages to enable upgrades, upgrade will only upgrade existing package
[11:35] <odie5533> i should dl the tarball then
[11:36] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  the former says "go check the repos i asked for" and the latter says "i want all the newer packages now"
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> ya, the script to uninstall it is solid
[11:36] <bob2> oh, right
[11:36] <Dreamer3> bob2: hmmm... you mean remove packages to solve broken issues?
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> so you don't really have to worry about it not being installed via dpkg
[11:37] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: you are running this: http://www.vmware.com/download/workstation.html ?
[11:37] <bob2> Dreamer3: not quite, but related
[11:37] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  bob2 told you why i trust upgrade over dist-upgrade, i answered about what you asked, and update might have been a typo from you, i'm not sure
[11:37] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, yes
[11:37] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: yeah, it was a typo
[11:38] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, but i've tried one of the beta releases too the same way
[11:38] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: i'm wondering if i pick all packages by hand and solve brokens... if upgrade from aptitude is really quite the same as dist-upgrade
[11:38] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Why would you get brokens?:)
[11:38] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, but i use 4.5.2 permanently until i get my free 5.0 upgrade when they release it :)
[11:38] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: well, i'm still kinda lost... why can't i upgrade to hoary using upgrade... why is dist-upgrade necessary?
[11:38] <bob2> Dreamer3: no, it's not
[11:39] <bob2> Dreamer3: since aptitude is interactive
[11:39] <odie5533> ah
[11:39] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Because packages flux, ie, a package could split into two, or a two could become one, etc
[11:39] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  by hand being "apt-get install foo bar" will always do what you want or prompt first, but it's sure not handy to do with 85 packages
[11:39] <[nrx] > morning all
[11:39] <[nrx] > :)
[11:39] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: A dist-upgrade wont hurt at all:)
[11:40] <eyequeue> dist- is dangerous in my opinion, though necessary to move to a new "distro" (debian-speeak for release in ubuntuspeak)
[11:41] <puls1on> lo
[11:41] <[nrx] > hi
[11:41] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: well, i'm on dial-up so i'm wondering if i can upgrade to hoary slowly, over time one program at a time (if i'm smart about it)
[11:41] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: ie, a little very night
[11:41] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: just wondering what i'd miss that way
[11:41] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Just do apt-get -d dist-upgrade and ^c it every morning:)
[11:41] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: does vmware run windowsxp nicely?
[11:41] <puls1on> any1 could help me plz : i can't read any mp3 or .avi, etc with totem or the music player
[11:41] <[nrx] > Dreamer3, just wait till April and get them to ship a cd to you :)
[11:41] <Pizbit> Eventually you'll get it
[11:41] <HappyPills> oh bloody hell... Mozilla-firefox keeps randomly crashing
[11:42] <[nrx] > puls1on, mp3 support isn't built in
[11:42] <Pizbit> puls1on: Everything you need to know http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:42] <puls1on> support means ?
[11:42] <puls1on> (<-- french)
[11:42] <dex1> post install when the system booted into gnome the res was v high so I moved it down to 1024x768 but the display corrupted. I've run xf86config four times now with the spec for the monitor from the relevant website with me and knowing the gfx card I have but the display's still corrupted. is there any way of getting it *re*-autodetected? without reinstalling the whole of ubuntu obviously! :)
[11:42] <AcidWolf> HappyPills have you got the Mozilla-Mplayer or the new Flash package installed
[11:42] <Pizbit> puls1on: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=support
[11:42] <AcidWolf> if so then that is wht it is crashing
[11:43] <[nrx] > puls1on, check the URL Pizbit posted. You'll find it :)
[11:43] <puls1on> thx
[11:43] <AcidWolf> mine was crashing so i just removed the package :)
[11:43] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, yes...i'm using server 2003 right now, but XP has also run smoothly in the past
[11:43] <Seveas> dex1, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:43] <HappyPills> Mplayer seems to be installed
[11:43] <HappyPills> and I got a flash package.
[11:43] <HappyPills> not sure which one though.
[11:43] <dex1> seveas: will try now, thanks
[11:43] <AcidWolf> those are what is making it crash
[11:43] <HappyPills> I did a Hoary upgrade a few days ago
[11:43] <AcidWolf> :)
[11:43] <eyequeue> puls1on:  something supports doing whatever, that means that "something" will do it for you.  i support ubuntu but not microsoft, means i will try to help with ubuntu, but not ms
[11:43] <Seveas> HappyPills, dpkg -l | grep flash :)
[11:43] <Seveas> then you know which
[11:44] <[nrx] > HappyPills, how did it go?
[11:44] <AcidWolf> yeah what Seveas said :)
[11:44] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: I'd hold off until hoary is released though
[11:44] <HappyPills> ii  flashplayer-mo 7.0.25-woody0. Macromedia Flash Player
[11:44] <eyequeue> puls1on:  and child support means you pay money to feed your children you made, heheh
[11:44] <Seveas> [nrx] , how is the ndiswrapper doing? any luck already?
[11:44] <AcidWolf> O_o
[11:44] <[nrx] > Seveas, yes. All completed.. and I didn't go down the ndiswrapper route :)
[11:44] <HappyPills> ooh, are you still trying to get the ndiswrapper going?
[11:44] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: hmmm, why? :)
[11:44] <Seveas> [nrx] , native linux drivers now?
[11:44] <Seveas> nice :)
[11:45] <[nrx] > HappyPills, nah.. managed to get it working with acx_pci
[11:45] <HappyPills> ah
[11:45] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: What capabilites does the windows vm have?
[11:45] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Because even if you're downloading some at night every night until it's done, you'll wind up downloading some things twice with only minor changes
[11:45] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, what do you mean?
[11:45] <[nrx] > Seveas, HappyPills, the folk in #ndiswrapper aint exactly helpfull so I'd avoid it :P
[11:45] <odie5533> Is it like a full os?
[11:45] <HappyPills> how do I remove these packages that break my mozilla-firefox?
[11:45] <Seveas> hehe
[11:45] <HappyPills> I am using ndiswrapper, it is fine for me
[11:45] <HappyPills> was a pain to install though
[11:45] <Seveas> apt-get remove removes packages
[11:45] <Pizbit> HappyPills: Use synpatic to uninstall
[11:45] <eyequeue> HappyPills:  dpkg --purge foo, gets rid of foo, if you happen to know the pacakge names
[11:46] <[nrx] > HappyPills, do you have scripts to take up/down eth0/wlan0?
[11:46] <HappyPills> I added them all to the bootup sequence [nrx] 
[11:46] <Seveas> [nrx] , you don;t need scripts for that (if not in need of xsupplicant/wpa)
[11:46] <[nrx] > HappyPills, do you switch between the two at all?
[11:46] <HappyPills> oh
[11:46] <HappyPills> no
[11:46] <HappyPills> only use wlan
[11:46] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, ya...virtual bios boots to a virtual disk with an NTFS partition blah blah...the whole nine yards
[11:46] <[nrx] > I do.. so i gotta switch ;)
[11:47] <HappyPills> so I need to remove Mplayer-mozilla?
[11:47] <HappyPills> Mozilla-Mplayer package?
[11:47] <Seveas> HappyPills, if that breaks your mozilla, you should
[11:47] <[nrx] > The only problem I have with ubuntu now is that it's very sluggish.. eats memory like nothing on earth
[11:47] <[nrx] > any more than 3 apps and you're waiting for ages
[11:48] <Seveas> [nrx] , do you have a large enough swap?
[11:48] <Seveas> Mem:    516140k total,   498612k used,    17528k free,    88540k buffers
[11:48] <Seveas> Swap:   521632k total,     2780k used,   518852k free,   172644k cached
[11:48] <[nrx] > Seveas, in the form of a 800mb file
[11:48] <eyequeue> [nrx] :  how memory constrained is your box?
[11:48] <AcidWolf> once DVD is going here i dont even have enough system recources left to open a browser
[11:48] <Dreamer3> icky mess :)
[11:48] <AcidWolf> O_o
[11:48] <[nrx] > eyequeue, 128mb
[11:48] <Seveas> 800mb partition you mean :)
[11:48] <Seveas> 128mb is a bit tight indeed
[11:48] <[nrx] > Seveas, no. 800mb Swap FILE :)
[11:48] <zerokarmaleft> [nrx] , ouch dude
[11:49] <Seveas> [nrx] , linux performs better with a swap partition...
[11:49] <eyequeue> [nrx] :  tight but i've had debian on worse, do you have any daemons running?
[11:49] <[nrx] > Seveas, yeah.. that's my next step
[11:49] <[nrx] > eyequeue, only the necessary
[11:50] <zerokarmaleft> [nrx] , might be better off running a lighter-weight window manager too, like xfce
[11:50] <[nrx] > i had rh running on it with gnome fine.. and it never slowed to a crawl like this does
[11:50] <HappyPills> coolies, I've uninstalled the Mplayer package, will see how it goes now =P
[11:50] <eyequeue> [nrx] :  i'd recommend at least 256mb swap, but if you want to run large apps, you really need to go buy some ram, since a huge swap means you'll be slower than you already are
[11:50] <HappyPills> Thanks for the help
[11:50] <[nrx] > eyequeue, it's got an 800mb swap
[11:51] <[nrx] > eyequeue, and it's a laptop
[11:51] <eyequeue> [nrx] :  that could well be it ... do you hear a lot of disk thrashing?
[11:51] <eyequeue> ouch
[11:51] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: when installing... should I do the defauly options for directories?
[11:51] <odie5533> Do those work ok on Ubuntu?
[11:51] <[nrx] > eyequeue, yes lol.
[11:52] <kev0r> pff going to do the biggest bitch in ubuntu, getting a 1600*1200 pix resolution
[11:52] <MacCoaster> How do I upgrade from Warty to Hoary? I should be able to from Warty, right?
[11:52] <kev0r> they should fix it
[11:52] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, yes the defaults work...changing the prefix from /usr to /usr/local is OK too
[11:52] <Jimbob> MacCoaster: Yes
[11:53] <MacCoaster> Jimbob, where can I find info?
[11:53] <dex1> sev: thanks it worked. the installer put in vmware details rather than just the monitor/gfx card details
[11:53] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: what about for /etc? leave it right?
[11:53] <eyequeue> MacCoaster:  edit sources.list, change all "warty" to hoary, then either (apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) or (synaptic)
[11:53] <odie5533> (sorry I am rather new to linux)
[11:53] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, yes
[11:53] <Jimbob> MacCoaster: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098
[11:53] <MacCoaster> eyequeue, Jimbob: thank you
[11:54] <Jimbob> MacCoaster: google is pretty decent WRT that kind of thing, BTW :-)
[11:54] <MacCoaster> i was searching through the ubuntu forums
[11:54] <MacCoaster> mustnt have been looking in the right place
[11:54] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, are you using a stock ubuntu kernel?
[11:54] <odie5533> yes
[11:54] <odie5533> is that bad?
[11:54] <HappyPills> I have noticed things are a little more unstable under Hoary than Warty, but that may have been problems with the upgrade. Gnome has crashed twice on me already
[11:54] <eyequeue> MacCoaster:  it's a question we'll see a lot of starting around now, someone should put something prominent in there and the wiki
[11:55] <HappyPills> But nothing that forces a BSOD style reboot =P
[11:55] <MacCoaster> eyequeue, that'd be good :)
[11:56] <Pizbit> HappyPills: Hoary is perfectly stable here;)
[11:56] <eyequeue> HappyPills:  configure xscreensaver to display the bsods of various os's, and see if you have reflexive actions, lol
[11:56] <[nrx] > eyequeue, lol
[11:56] <HappyPills> =P
[11:56] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, i'm not aware of an easy way to build the vmware kernel modules for a stock kernel
[11:56] <odie5533> oh dam...
[11:56] <odie5533> thats what its asking now
[11:57] <InitMass> 9 days left!
[11:57] <odie5533> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[11:57] <odie5533> kernel? =/
[11:57] <odie5533> I cant answer that can I
[11:57] <AcidWolf> odie5533 Genkernel
[11:57] <odie5533> hmm?
[11:57] <eyequeue> InitMass:  until you transfer funds to me?
[11:57] <AcidWolf> lewwy howd ya go mate
[11:58] <InitMass> eyequeue, nope
[11:58] <eyequeue> InitMass:  oh, i get it now, wow, that's soon
[11:58] <odie5533> AcidWolf: explain
[11:58] <eyequeue> InitMass:  waiting to do your dist-upgrade until then?
[11:58] <InitMass> eyequeue, nice with some new software :)
[11:58] <AcidWolf> odie5533 Genkernel builds a standard vanill akernel for you
[11:59] <odie5533> I need the source I believe
[11:59] <AcidWolf> vanilla* meaning as standard as kernels come
[11:59] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, i compiled a custom kernel
[11:59] <odie5533> is it easy to compile a custom one?
[11:59] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, it's really not that difficult
[11:59] <AcidWolf> odie5533 if you have just begun to explore Linix then building a custom kernel is not for you
[11:59] <eyequeue> make-kpkg (1)        - build Debian kernel packages from Linux kernel sources
[12:00] <InitMass> eyequeue, yes, everything work fine for me and i have no reason to upgrade just yet
[12:00] <odie5533> I really want to get this vmware to work... can't I give it the source to mine?
[12:00] <odie5533> or do I not have the source to mine
[12:00] <eyequeue> InitMass:  just curious.  i'll not try to change your mind for sure :)
[12:00] <dex1> odie: is ubuntu the host or guest?
[12:00] <odie5533> hmm?
[12:01] <odie5533> I am running ubuntu atm
[12:01] <dex1> vmware, are you running it on ubuntu -or- trying to run ubuntu on it?
[12:01] <eyequeue> InitMass:  i installed hoary on a separate partition, using it now, but i'll do a dist-upgrade of the real partition in 9 days, see how smooth that goes
[12:01] <dex1> aaah.
[12:01] <odie5533> running it on ubuntu
[12:01] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, probably have to install linux-headers for the stock kernel you're running
[12:01] <eyequeue> InitMass:  i figure, if either one breaks, i've got the other to get online to fix it from
[12:01] <odie5533> Where can I get those?
[12:01] <dex1> you want to run xp (or another linux distro or whatever) on ubuntu via vmware
[12:01] <jintxo> hey guys, need a hand with bind. I have a domain who's SOA is on an ISP, but would like my local bind to answer to local queries with my "private" ip's (192.168.0.X) when I query it, instead of getting the "public" ip's, is this possible?
[12:01] <odie5533> dex1: yes
[12:01] <dex1> cant help, I was doing it other way round
[12:01] <InitMass> eyequeue, good theory
[12:02] <dex1> sry
[12:02] <odie5533> ah
[12:02] <eyequeue> jintxo:  sure
[12:02] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, uname -a to see what kernel you're running
[12:02] <odie5533> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Thu Mar 10 03:25:00 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:02] <eyequeue> jintxo:  add 127.0.01 first in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:02] <jintxo> eyequeue, I have a file for the domain, but when I query bind, it gives me ther records from the public DNS server instead of it's own, I already have the 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf :-p
[12:02] <InitMass> eyequeue, does it still work fine for you?
[12:03] <eyequeue> jintxo:  i presume you're already bind-fluent enough to write a domain file, right?
[12:03] <[nrx] > arrggghhh.. the curse of bind
[12:03] <jintxo> eyequeue, yes, the file is there, and afaikt i't ok.
[12:03] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386
[12:03] <eyequeue> InitMass:  yeah, each behave well here, and each were insalled fresh, no dist-upgrade yet
[12:04] <jintxo> the problem is the real SOA is on another DNS server (and I have my bind setup as basdically a caching nameserver)
[12:04] <odie5533> not found
[12:04] <InitMass> eyequeue, i used debian unstable before and i had no problems with upgrades. so i don't think there will be this time either
[12:04] <eyequeue> jintxo:  okay, odd, i do very similar here. i have internal machines resolve a name to 192.168 and external machines resolve it to a routable addy
[12:05] <odie5533> I am using an old kernel... hmm can I update the kernel after installing ubuntu or did I have to do it already?
[12:05] <eyequeue> InitMass:  no, i anticipate a smooth change, but want to see it firsthand so i can support any problems i see in here, and also want an insurance policy so i don't get stuck offline if i need help for some reason, a file or whatever
[12:06] <jintxo> eyequeue, do you have anything special set up? are you using forwarders in your named.conf? I'm thinking sind I have forwarders in there, it's just asking them when I ask it for, say "www.alberguinn.com" so I get the public IP
[12:06] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, you can update any package after installing ubuntu
[12:06] <odie5533> know an easy way to update the kernel?
[12:06] <jintxo> s/sind/since
[12:07] <eyequeue> jintxo:  your zone file says (lie or not) that you're authoritative, right?
[12:07] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, what CPU do you have?
[12:07] <jintxo> eyequeue, it says so, even though it's a lie :-)
[12:07] <odie5533> AMD XP 2600+
[12:07] <odie5533> uh i386
[12:07] <odie5533> or i586 I think
[12:07] <eyequeue> jintxo:  bind should only be deferring to the forwarders for things it can't resolve itself (even from cache)
[12:08] <Pizbit> bleh, gnome-app-install doesn't warn when it wants to remove something else
[12:08] <odie5533> will sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-1-386 work?
[12:08] <lewwy> k dudes
[12:08] <lewwy> hi
[12:08] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7
[12:08] <eyequeue> jintxo:  this is time to check the obvious things that you can't see :)  are all files needed not-typoed in your configs, etc?
[12:09] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, then reboot
[12:09] <odie5533> should I run my command or yours?
[12:09] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, mine...that's the kernel image built specifically for athlons
[12:09] <jintxo> eyequeue, just a sec, lemme step through the config real  quick see if any thing obvious strikes you...
[12:09] <eyequeue> jintxo:  and then a quick diagnostic, comment out everything in resolv.conf but 127.0.0.1 and ping a hostname in question
[12:10] <odie5533> its... outdated?
[12:10] <odie5533> I see 2.6.11-1-k7 out, the command you sent me install 2.6.10-5-k7
[12:10] <odie5533> I dont know if it matters though
[12:10] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, no it shouldn't matter
[12:11] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, most people on hoary are still running 2.6.10
[12:11] <eyequeue> 10 is what will ship with hoary, but 11 is there for the bleeding edgers :)
[12:11] <corza> zerokarmaleft: how do u tell which version ur running?
[12:11] <odie5533> and by some odd chance if this messes my kernel... should I just aptget the old one?
[12:11] <eyequeue> s/ship/install/
[12:11] <joh> Hello, anyone know where the Administration menu is located? it's not in /usr/share/applications
[12:11] <zerokarmaleft> corza, cat /proc/version
[12:12] <eyequeue> corza:  uname -r
[12:12] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, it installs it side-by-side
[12:12] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, you can still choose the old one through the grub menu on boot
[12:12] <odie5533> ah
[12:12] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, by pressing escape
[12:12] <corza> Linux Version 2.6.10-5-386??
[12:12] <corza> does that mean its old?
[12:12] <lewwy> nah
[12:12] <lewwy> thats pretty new
[12:12] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: why'd you build a custom kernel?
[12:13] <eyequeue> not "old" but not bleeding edge
[12:13] <corza> eyequeue: whats the newest?
[12:13] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, i have hardware that's unsupported in stock kernels
[12:13] <corza> and do i have to download hoary all over again to get it?
[12:13] <odie5533> what hardware?
[12:13] <eyequeue> 11 is out, but not as tested of course
[12:13] <corza> ohhhh the not released one
[12:13] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, a pci ide controller
[12:13] <odie5533> and should I do sudo apt-get install linux-headers-k7 before or after I restart
[12:14] <eyequeue> corza:  no no, never d/l a whole distro just to get one package, just apt-get it by name
[12:14] <nullzero> any of you guys use the gdesklets ?
[12:14] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, before...you have install the new kernel before you can boot into the new kernel :p
[12:14] <corza> eyequeue: wouldnt it um just do it in Ubuntu Update?
[12:14] <odie5533> ah!
[12:14] <jintxo> eyequeue, can I paste my zone file in #flood?
[12:15] <HappyPills> In the Synaptic program, under Local and Obsolete Packages, does that mean there is an updated version installed and I can safely remove all those packages?
[12:15] <eyequeue> corza:  common thought, and it worries many that it will do so, but fortunately it doesn't work that way, and here is why
[12:15] <eyequeue> jintxo:  sec please
[12:16] <eyequeue> corza:  a package will upgrade to a new verson if the package name (before the _) is the same, and the version (after the _) is higher
[12:17] <eyequeue> corza:  fortuntely, linux-kernel-2.6.10*  and linux-kernel-2.6.11* are different package names, so you won't get stuck with a bad new kernel by accident
[12:17] <eyequeue> corza:  also fortuinately, it will never overwrite the older working kernel package
[12:19] <corza> eyequeue: so when do i update it? lol
[12:20] <corza> eyequeue: when its released?
[12:22] <eyequeue> corza:  good rule of thumb?
[12:22] <jintxo> eyequeue, I'm gonan change that, man I would have never caught it! lol
[12:22] <jintxo> thanks
[12:22] <eyequeue> corza:  at  least a couple of weeks after other break their machines with it, heh
[12:22] <eyequeue> jintxo:  yeah, it's the tiny stuff like that which require external eyeballs, np
[12:23] <eyequeue> corza:  the primary reason to upgrade a kernel is if it patches a security hole, or if you need some new driver support not in the old one
[12:23] <eyequeue> including a bugfix to a driver
[12:23] <VladDrac> why the )(*)( is there no 2.6.11 restricted modules package?
[12:24] <VladDrac> (or a decent source tree to build my own nvidia drivers from)
[12:24] <bob2> VladDrac: er, because that's not supported
[12:24] <bob2> and I'm pretty sure it got dropped from the archive
[12:24] <eyequeue> jintxo:  btw? works now, right?
[12:25] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: the k7 doesn't work for me
[12:25] <bob2> oh no, there it is
[12:25] <jintxo> just a sec, the link is kinda slow so using vi becomes a little painful :-)
[12:25] <odie5533> can I just install the heards for my current kernel?
[12:25] <eyequeue> oh man, remote at that?  yeah, always as painful as can be
[12:25] <lewwy> is AcidWolf out here?
[12:26] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, strange, what happens?
[12:26] <VladDrac> bob2: what's not supported? restricted modules?
[12:26] <odie5533> error with X Server
[12:26] <bob2> VladDrac: 2.6.11
[12:26] <odie5533> fix it and restart
[12:26] <goldfish> lewwy: he was a little while ago
[12:26] <odie5533> checked the logs
[12:26] <odie5533> didnt see an error =/
[12:26] <lewwy> craaap
[12:26] <lewwy> hey heres a question
[12:26] <lewwy> Hoary Hedgehog
[12:26] <VladDrac> it's there, in hoary tht is
[12:26] <lewwy> Network problem
[12:26] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, ah ati or nvidia card?
[12:26] <lewwy> AcidWolf said something about a typo
[12:26] <odie5533> nvidia
[12:27] <lewwy> wheres the typo?
[12:27] <corza> eyequeue: very true sorry just got back lol had to eat some cheese cake :)
[12:27] <odie5533> linux-headers-386 <-- wont that install my headers?
[12:27] <eyequeue> lewwy:  if you can give us the line it was in, perhaps we can spot it
[12:27] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-k7 will fix that
[12:27] <bob2> odie5533: no, you need the ones for your kernel
[12:27] <lewwy> the line?
[12:27] <bob2> not for some other kernel
[12:27] <odie5533> ah
[12:27] <odie5533> :D
[12:27] <bob2> lewwy: you didn't seem to actually ask a networking question
[12:28] <lewwy> oh
[12:28] <lewwy> ok
[12:28] <lewwy> sorry
[12:28] <eyequeue> corza:  lol, i'm jealous, and my blood sugar is low, going to do similar with less enjoymant involved
[12:28] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, and then you'll also want to sudo apt-get install linux-headers-k7
[12:28] <lewwy> heres the problem
[12:28] <corza> eyequeue: lol
[12:28] <odie5533> after I boot with the k7 right?
[12:28] <lewwy> i want my eth1 to work properly
[12:28] <lewwy> however
[12:28] <lewwy> it doesnt
[12:28] <lewwy> it is setup to use DHCP
[12:28] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, you can do that now if you want
[12:28] <lewwy> and i am running hoary hedgehog preview
[12:28] <odie5533> eh Ill boot with it first, brb
[12:28] <corza> eyequeue: hey u couldnt help me out with my windows-ubuntu network could ya?
[12:28] <lewwy> so any ideas anyone?
[12:28] <bob2> lewwy: please put a whole sentence on a single line
[12:29] <lewwy> soz
[12:29] <corza> eyequeue: both computers are recognising each other (i think) well my windows one is anyway
[12:29] <bob2> lewwy: then make your /etc/network/interfaces available to us, either in #flood or o na website somehwere
[12:29] <lewwy> I have a eth1 interface that wont work because the DHCP is failing
[12:29] <lewwy> and i cant even contact my LAN
[12:29] <lewwy> k making interface availible
[12:29] <jintxo> eyequeue, hm. ping router.alberguinn.com, unknown host. odd
[12:29] <eyequeue> corza:  if it's pahetically simple and obvious, but probably no, i have zero experience with the other half of that (nor the ubuntu packages that support it)
[12:30] <corza> eyequeue: aight then
[12:30] <eyequeue> corza:  can you ping both directions, by ip, then by hostname?
[12:30] <corza> eyequeue: i'm a pretty new starter in linux, i dont know how to ping in ubuntu lol its probably very simple.. how?? :P
[12:30] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: booted, so now ill install the headers
[12:31] <corza> eyequeue: from my windows machine i can do both to my linux box
[12:31] <lewwy> how do u mount a floppy in ubuntu?
[12:31] <eyequeue> jintxo:  i've lost the #flood, but i'll assume you didn't typo the hostname with one n or anything on that line?
[12:31] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: package is linux-headers-k7 correct?
[12:31] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, great...that's right
[12:31] <eyequeue> corza:  from a terminal:  "ping 192.168.0.3" or whatever
[12:31] <corza> eyequeue: oh wait i am trying to ping it in terminal right now
[12:32] <Ubabe> this is gonna sound like a stupid qn: how do i reset the root password?
[12:32] <corza> eyequeue: yeah i just trying it now.. lol
[12:32] <underlord> i gut got a new dlink DI-704up, it has a usb print server function, my printer has usb and lpt connections, i have it hooked in over lpt, its a hp (doesnt do postscript) and works fine directly connected to the computer, 2 ubuntu hoary pc's are on the network, if i hook up the printer with the router will i be able to use it just with the regular drivers, not at all, or are some tricks required?
[12:32] <eyequeue> corza:  from a terminal:  "ping otherbox.mynetwork.org" or whatever
[12:32] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: after installing the headers I can just run the vmware-config.pl script right?
[12:33] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, yes run it again
[12:33] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  no, common here.  see https://wiki.ununtulinux.org/RootSudo
[12:33] <underlord> Ubabe: sudo passwd in a terminal
[12:33] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  no, common here.  see https://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo (typo correction)
[12:33] <odie5533> what is NAT networking?
[12:33] <odie5533> I suppose I dont need it?
[12:34] <goldfish> hmm...
[12:34] <eyequeue> formerly known as ipmasq (basically)
[12:34] <goldfish> my router uses it for port forwarding
[12:34] <goldfish> gah
[12:34] <eyequeue> Network Address Translation
[12:34] <goldfish> nm
[12:34] <odie5533> do I need it?
[12:34] <underlord> nat is where one computer or router takes an ip address and allows many computers to bo though the single ip
[12:34] <underlord> if you want multiple pc's on one internet ip you do
[12:34] <eyequeue> odie5533:  do you have an internal lan, and only one outlet to the internet?
[12:34] <goldfish> ah right.
[12:35] <odie5533> I have a router and one internet connection
[12:35] <odie5533> with a few pc's on the router
[12:35] <underlord> and your isp doesnt give you multiple ip addresses?
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:35] <odie5533> just one
[12:35] <underlord> then nat is needed
[12:35] <eyequeue> odie5533:  that's what nat does, makes those few pcs look like one ip to the outside, but routes the responses to the right box on the return trip
[12:36] <eyequeue> nifty magic
[12:36] <odie5533> Isnt that what my routers for?
[12:36] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, bridging is enough if you have a router
[12:36] <underlord> routers are for routing, many can also nat too
[12:36] <corza> eyequeue: i typed it in and its doing nothing... its like sitting there...
[12:36] <odie5533> so I dont need NAT then since I have the router?
[12:36] <underlord> i just bought a router today for nat
[12:36] <eyequeue> your router needs nat support, if your ubuntu box is not the box acting as router, your ubuntu box does not need it
[12:36] <WeirdAl> How do I configure my DVD drive to use DMA all the time rather than just for the session?
[12:37] <eyequeue> odie5533:  is ubuntu your router?
[12:37] <WeirdAl> Right now I have to keep running hdparm
[12:37] <odie5533> no it isnt
[12:37] <underlord> no, you need a pc set up to be the nat or a router that is capable of doing nat
[12:37] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, if your router is the dhcp server for your LAN, then you just need bridging
[12:37] <odie5533> I have a hardware router
[12:37] <eyequeue> odie5533:  forget about it for now then :)
[12:37] <odie5533> so many install questions
[12:37] <odie5533> host-only networking
[12:37] <Ubabe> thanks heaps underlord and eyequeue :)
[12:37] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, and when you setup a virtual machine, the virtual NIC will get an IP automatically via dhcp on your subnet
[12:37] <eyequeue> Ubabe:  no prob
[12:38] <Ubabe> for some reson my own passwd wouldnt let me reconfigure my n/w settings
[12:38] <odie5533> what is host-only networking?
[12:38] <underlord> Ubabe: so install a root kit :P
[12:38] <underlord> odie5533: i dont know
[12:38] <odie5533> (sorry about the surplus of questions)
[12:39] <WeirdAl> Anyone? :-s
[12:39] <underlord> odie5533: read manual/contact vendor
[12:39] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, that's if you want to setup a share from your host (a folder in ubuntu) that you can access from inside the guest operating system
[12:39] <Ubabe> im still a newbie underlord, very new here
[12:39] <bob2> WeirdAl: you'd have to run that from some init script, if you're sure it;s safe
[12:40] <bob2> WeirdAl: adding it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh might be easist
[12:40] <lewwy> what filesystem do floppies use
[12:40] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: did you say yes or no to that one when you installeD?
[12:40] <eyequeue> odie5533:  quick question, this install is installing ubuntu? or this install is installing vmware?
[12:40] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, it's fine to just install bridging and nothing else
[12:40] <zerokarmaleft> eyequeue, configuring vmware
[12:40] <bob2> lewwy: whatever you put on them.  usually vfat.
[12:40] <WeirdAl> Can I add it to the mount file?
[12:41] <lewwy> bugger
[12:41] <eyequeue> lewwy:  typically msdos, though you can put ext2 on it if you want to waste a lot of it
[12:41] <lewwy> can i format it to vfat?
[12:41] <lewwy> msdos?
[12:41] <lewwy> thx
[12:41] <odie5533> and should I allow it to autoconfigure to allow vm's to access host's files?
[12:41] <bob2> WeirdAl: you mean /etc/fstab? you don't.
[12:41] <odie5533> eyequeue: I am installing vmware on ubuntu to run winxp
[12:41] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, for now no
[12:41] <odie5533> ah that was the last questiong
[12:41] <WeirdAl> k cheers
[12:42] <lewwy> argh
[12:42] <eyequeue> odie5533:  no wonder i hdn't a clue what you were talking about, heh.  googling for the term ONLY have vmware hits
[12:42] <lewwy> i want windows XP to read it
[12:42] <lewwy> and its not
[12:42] <odie5533> zerokarmaleft: if I already have an install of winxp on a dual boot can I use that?
[12:42] <odie5533> the filesystem is mounted already
[12:42] <jintxo> eyequeue, would I have to add a trailing dot in the zone definition (named.conf.local)? like zone "alberguinn.com." { type master; file "/etc/bind/alberguinn.com"; }; ?
[12:43] <eyequeue> lewwy:  can a ms os like xp read a ms fs format on a floppy?  yeah, i don't think you need worry :)
[12:43] <lewwy> ok
[12:43] <lewwy> who wants to look at my network interfaces
[12:43] <Bloody|RLC> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg
[12:43] <lewwy> to spot problems
[12:43] <lewwy> someone please
[12:43] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, i think it's possible to do that, but it's not recommended
[12:43] <lewwy> anyone?
[12:43] <odie5533> ah
[12:44] <odie5533> I have a big hdd (160gb) Ill just install another copy
[12:44] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, yes...creating a virtual disk is the best way to go
[12:44] <lewwy> hey
[12:44] <turf> lewwy:? what the question again?
[12:44] <eyequeue> jintxo:  zone "al*.comnodot" {
[12:44] <lewwy> can someone check my interface
[12:44] <lewwy> in flood
[12:45] <lewwy> #flood rather
[12:45] <lewwy> please?
[12:45] <eyequeue> jintxo:  and the file parameter is whatever filename you used, almost guarnateed nt to end in dot
[12:45] <apokryphos> lewwy: always better to pastebin larger things; eaiser for others to get access to.
[12:45] <zerokarmaleft> odie5533, gl...i have to crash
[12:45] <lewwy> pastebin?
[12:45] <jintxo> eyequeue, so I have it correct then, crap :-/
[12:45] <odie5533> thanks, later
[12:45] <apokryphos> lewwy: www.pastebin.com
[12:46] <eyequeue> jintxo:  again, it's always the little details like dots and their absence, in obscure places
[12:46] <lewwy> http://www.pastebin.com/263682
[12:46] <lewwy> interface for network: http://www.pastebin.com/263682
[12:46] <eyequeue> jintxo:  i'm off to mess with feeding my face for a few while you edit slowly
[12:47] <turf> how can i install apache and php in ubuntu, i tried apt-get but i get paclage not available and for php i get couldn't find package?
[12:47] <jintxo> eyequeue, that's cool, cheers :-)
[12:47] <turf> is this correct apt-get install apache?
[12:47] <kakalto> how can I edit the terminal preferences?
[12:47] <lewwy> anyone here taking a look at my problem in interfaces?
[12:47] <goldfish> turf: apache4
[12:48] <goldfish> turf: i think
[12:48] <apokryphos> kakalto: like what?
[12:48] <kakalto> like transparency
[12:48] <bob2> turf: apach2 and libapache2-mod-php4
[12:48] <goldfish> gah
[12:48] <goldfish> sorry
[12:48] <goldfish> :/
[12:48] <Ubabe> gtg bbs
[12:48] <bob2> asuming you want like security fixes and stuff
[12:48] <turf> ok i'll try
[12:48] <apokryphos> kakalto: hmm, not sure in Gnome Terminal... could take a look I guess. Will only be "fake" transparency.
[12:49] <goldfish> it's in the edit tab for gnome terminal
[12:49] <goldfish> edit current profile
[12:49] <lewwy> apokryphos: can you help me with the interfaces problem man?
[12:49] <kakalto> goldfish, but I'm under xfce..
[12:49] <apokryphos> lewwy: probably not; what are you trying to do there?
[12:49] <goldfish> i see
[12:49] <goldfish> well what terminal are you using?
[12:49] <lewwy> apokryphos: trying to get my network up and running
[12:49] <goldfish> you can still use the gnome-terminal in xfce
[12:49] <lewwy> im using hoary
[12:50] <apokryphos> lewwy: was the default one with DHCP not working?
[12:50] <lewwy> yeh
[12:50] <lewwy> eth0 is stuffed
[12:50] <lewwy> eth1 is the one i wanna use
[12:50] <kakalto> goldfish, xterm
[12:50] <apokryphos> kakalto: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-May/msg00075.html
[12:51] <Pizbit> kakalto: man xterm
[12:51] <goldfish> kakalto: ah right :)
[12:51] <kakalto> can xterm do transparency?
[12:52] <Pizbit> Find out
[12:52] <lewwy> so can anyone help me out with my network problems?
[12:52] <goldfish> i think it can
[12:52] <lewwy> huzzah
[12:52] <apokryphos> lewwy: I'm really not sure; clutching at straws here since I don't really know anythings about networks etc. Why have you got three eth there?
[12:52] <lewwy> private chat
[12:52] <goldfish> well, so i was told
[12:52] <Pizbit> lewwy: Ever thought of just trying to use the GUI interface for setting up your network?
[12:53] <lewwy> yeh
[12:53] <lewwy> about 5 times
[12:53] <lewwy> didnt work
[12:53] <apokryphos> Yeouch; xterm has one of the biggest mans I've ever seen
[12:53] <lewwy> three eth?
[12:53] <apokryphos> iface eth? inet dhcp x3
[12:54] <lewwy> yeh
[12:54] <lewwy> can i disable some of them?
[12:54] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  man bash is impressive too
[12:54] <lewwy> like eth0 and eth2?
[12:54] <apokryphos> lewwy: erm, yeah; delete 'em.
[12:54] <lewwy> yeh
[12:54] <apokryphos> Not quite sure what the normal interfaces looks like though, since mine is altered. Got a static IP.
[12:54] <lewwy> just did
[12:54] <lewwy> restarting now
[12:54] <lewwy> thank goodness for two computers
[12:55] <apokryphos> you'll have to likely down the ifdown/ifup
[12:55] <dex1> p.s. lewwy you were right about where the xconfig86 file was :p
[12:55] <SlackShrike> hi
[12:55] <lewwy> wow
[12:55] <lewwy> what a guess
[12:55] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  example, iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:55] <lewwy> did it fix the prob?
[12:55] <dex1> :)
[12:55] <lewwy> man
[12:55] <lewwy> i love the ubuntu startup song
[12:55] <lewwy> so relaxing
[12:55] <apokryphos> eyequeue: anything below that? Thanks.
[12:55] <dex1> lewwy, kinda. I cheated & reinstalled the pkg in the end so it autodetected it for me tho :)
[12:56] <eyequeue> apokryphos: you *can* add a line above it saying "auto eth0" but he won't want to for his "dead" interfaces, just for eth1
[12:56] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  no, pathetically simple with dhcp
[12:56] <SlackShrike> which is the name of the installer of ubuntu ?
[12:56] <apokryphos> cool
[12:57] <carsonc> The Hoary preview live cd for PPC crashes OS X's Disk Utility when I try to burn it.  I glanced through bugzilla, but I didn't see anything.  Is this a known problem, or is my system wonky?
[12:57] <carsonc> OS X 10.3.8, I should say
[12:57] <eyequeue> carsonc:  do other cds burn?
[12:57] <lewwy> auto?
[12:57] <lewwy> eyequeue?
[12:57] <carsonc> eyequeue:  Oh yeah, no problem
[12:57] <carsonc> I just burnt an OpenBSD 3.6 cd
[12:57] <corza> hey guys.. i'm having trouble with my network.. on my windows machine its asking me for a password and i didnt set one
[12:58] <dex1> coupla questions: 1) is it possible to exit gnome/xserver so the OS is just in text mode, I used ctrl-alt-space, is that it? 2) is the mount point for a CD-ROM usually a default other than /mnt/cdrom ? merci
[12:58] <Pizbit> corza: Samba share huh?
[12:58] <corza> Pizbit: yes
[12:58] <lewwy> dex1
[12:58] <carsonc> dex1: hit Ctrl-Alt-F1
[12:58] <HappyPills> ctrl-alt-f1
[12:58] <lewwy> yeh
[12:58] <lewwy> they got it
[12:58] <HappyPills> to get back into it use ctrl-alt-left
[12:58] <carsonc> that will switch you to the text login
[12:58] <dex1> *nods* ty
[12:58] <matthias> hex everybody
[12:58] <eyequeue> lewwy:  man 5 interfaces: Stanzas beginning with the word "auto" are used to identify the  physical  interfaces  to  be brought up when ifup is run with the -a option. (This option is used by the system boot scripts.)
[12:59] <corza> Pizbit: any idea??
[12:59] <Pizbit> corza: One way is to just set: security = share :in the global sextion of /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:59] <matthias> can so help with inkscape?
[12:59] <eyequeue> lewwy:  you want eth1 and lo to be auto, nothing else there
[01:00] <Pizbit> corza: Don't forget to restart samba afterwards /etc/init.d/samba restart
[01:00] <lewwy> k
[01:00] <lewwy> trying now
[01:00] <eyequeue> lewwy:  the onther stanzas are only activated manually, which, knowing they are broken, you wouldn't do
[01:00] <lewwy> thanks eyequeue
[01:00] <spreda> lewwy: didn't you say a static ip ?
[01:00] <lewwy> nah
[01:00] <lewwy> no static
[01:00] <matthias> i cant import eps in INKSCAPE
[01:01] <spreda> k
[01:01] <lewwy> could someone put the exact command i would need to put in interfaces for it to work in here?
[01:01] <MaRk-I> bye all
[01:02] <eyequeue> lewwy:  two lines: auto eth1    iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:02] <eyequeue> lewwy:  oops, duh
[01:02] <corza> Pizbit: umm in the conf file i went ; security = share.. it still came up afterwards..
[01:02] <eyequeue> lewwy:  two lines: auto eth1    iface eth1 inet dhcp
[01:02] <dex1> heh sry
[01:03] <Pizbit> corza: www.pastebin.com and paste in the section for the share you're offering
[01:03] <jintxo> eyequeue, ah, I have found I can run named in debug mode "-d 7" and it is rejecting my zone file for some reason :-p
[01:03] <eyequeue> jintxo:  okay, you've moved into the realm os syntax errors heh
[01:03] <Pizbit> corza: And then paste the url here
[01:03] <eyequeue> of
[01:03] <Harpi> hi need some help !!!
[01:04] <Pointwood> how do I edit the application menu in hoary?
[01:04] <Pizbit> Harpi: Who'd have thought? Do you have a question to go with your need?
[01:04] <dex1> a common theme
[01:04] <jintxo> eyequeue, I get a message that there are no NS records (which is true) let me put an NS record in there see how it goes :-) thanks for your help
[01:04] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Pointwood ubugnomemenu
[01:04] <Pyre> Pointwood: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[01:04] <kakalto> where's a good cd xpm icon?
[01:04] <Harpi> i ve installed hedghog  and at my first boot there s a problem... it tell's me can't find hardware clock
[01:04] <corza> http://www.pastebin.com/263684
[01:05] <corza> Pizbit: is that wat u meant :S
[01:05] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  that functionality was lost in hoary :(  Amaranth wrote a nifty app for it that you can search for on ubuntuforums, Amaranth and menu-editor would be the search terms
[01:05] <Pizbit> corza: "the section for the share you're offering"
[01:05] <Harpi> do u have any idea
[01:05] <corza> Pizbit: meaning.....
[01:05] <Pizbit> Nevermind
[01:05] <corza> Pizbit: the folder?
[01:05] <lewwy> man
[01:06] <lewwy> this sucks so bad
[01:06] <dex1> So here's what I have to do: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws45/doc/new_guest_tools_ws.html#1008207. 'installing vmware tools for linux guests'. It's just the mount point that's wrong -  they suggest it may differ from /mnt/cdrom, between distributions
[01:06] <lewwy> dhclient isnt picking up any network thingos
[01:06] <Pizbit> corza: Just to clarify, it asks for the password when you try to get a list of the shares availible, or when you try to enter a share?
[01:06] <Harpi> do u have any idea for my problem concerning the clock
[01:06] <Pointwood> ahhh...where do I get that menueditor?
[01:07] <Apekooi> im getting the error "could not start the graphical interface x-server" or something like that
[01:07] <dex1> sry Harpi. it found my clock
[01:07] <corza> Pizbit: um well heres what i do.. i type into my windows computer "\\ubuntu\music" (my shared folder) it then pops up and asks for a username and password
[01:07] <Harpi> ahahah
[01:07] <matthias> HERE is some ARTWORK I did for UBUNTU USERS http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22337
[01:07] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  i searched for Amarath and menu, i think, and found if after a couple hits, he lists his url there
[01:07] <Pizbit> corza: Do you mind if your samba security (as in passwords) is more or less ignored?
[01:07] <Harpi> i can't go after the init step
[01:08] <Apekooi>  im getting the error "could not start the graphical interface x-server" or something like that
[01:08] <Apekooi> what 2 do?
[01:08] <corza> Pizbit: i would rather it be ignored?
[01:08] <corza> Pizbit: i dont really want passwords at all
[01:08] <eyequeue> matthias:  nice, i hadn't seen jewelcase covers before
[01:08] <Pointwood> ahh...found it: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.2-1_all.deb
[01:08] <goldfish> matthias: very impressive.
[01:08] <Harpi> noone can tell me ???
[01:09] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  i ran it under sudo (or gksudo) for things i wanted to apply to all users
[01:09] <matthias> thx so if so eplained me how to import eps i ll do more of that
[01:09] <Pointwood> erhm...
[01:09] <Pizbit> corza: http://www.pastebin.com/263686
[01:09] <Pointwood> that wasn't correct
[01:09] <dex1> maybe try running the config program again apek?: sudo xconfig86
[01:09] <Pointwood> getting a 404 on that link
[01:09] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  a dash maybe is missing?
[01:10] <Pizbit> corza: http://www.pastebin.com/263688
[01:10] <dex1> any ideas on standard mount point for a cd-rom or how to find out what to use
[01:10] <Apekooi> can ne1 help me plz
[01:10] <eyequeue> matthias:  if i knew, you'd be told by now, sorry.  but again, thanks
[01:10] <apokryphos> dex1: /media
[01:10] <dex1> maybe try running the config program again **apek**?: sudo xconfig86
[01:10] <dex1> apok: thank you :)
[01:11] <apokryphos> eyequeue: nah, that link is dead.
[01:11] <Pizbit> dex1: So you're using xorg or xfree? (warty is xfree hoary is xorg)
[01:11] <matthias> kay m8 wuz just a try so i ll hve to find out on my own
[01:11] <apokryphos> Pointwood: did you check the link I gave you originally?
[01:11] <corza> Pizbit: should i add the [storage]  to mine? and edit it to my desires?
[01:11] <Pizbit> corza: Well, storage is just the name of the share
[01:11] <dex1> pizbit: xfree since I'm using warty. that was to apekooi though.  I'm using warty under vmware though yep
[01:11] <corza> oh!
[01:11] <eyequeue> dex1:  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[01:11] <turf> i have installed apache2 how will i retart the service httpd?
[01:11] <Apekooi> :S
[01:12] <matthias> how do you get these wobbly windows under x to work?
[01:12] <Pizbit> dex1: You were told to use this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:12] <Pointwood> Apekooi: ubugnomemenu?
[01:12] <dex1> pizb: I did. And it worked.
[01:12] <eyequeue> i've seen mention of wobbly windows, but what are they?
[01:12] <Pointwood> argh
[01:12] <Apekooi> thnx, dex ill try
[01:12] <Pointwood> apokryphos: ubugnomemenu?
[01:12] <dex1> worked first time in fact.
[01:12] <apokryphos> apokryphos: yes. And the wiki, too. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[01:13] <dex1> now I have a different issue ;) . I#ll try the advice above now
[01:13] <Pointwood> eyequeue: I can find them for you
[01:13] <corza> Pizbit: ok in the first pastebin url u had them all in that order.. is that 'exactly' what i need because i have all that stuff edited but.. they have jibble jabbles in between
[01:13] <lewwy> right thats it
[01:13] <lewwy> all hope in ubuntu has been lost
[01:13] <goldfish> lol
[01:13] <matthias> it moves like organic material on your desk
[01:13] <Pizbit> corza: I don't think it matters all that much, I pulled them in from all over the place
[01:13] <Pointwood> eyequeue: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10089
[01:13] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  bingo, look in the dir, it's version 0.4.3 now
[01:13] <corza> Pizbit: ill restart it and give it a go
[01:13] <Pizbit> dex1: Ah, you were trying to say somehting to someone else hehe>.<
[01:14] <lewwy> seriously
[01:14] <lewwy> what sort of OS doesnt let you on the net
[01:14] <lewwy> its a good idea how its done
[01:14] <lewwy> but dodgily executed
[01:14] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  wget http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.2-1_all.deb
[01:14] <Pizbit> dex1: In any case you should tell people to use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' instead of xconfig86 :)
[01:14] <eyequeue> grrr
[01:14] <jintxo> eyequeue, yep, I think it was the lack of an NS recrod that made the file invalid, it works now :-) excellent
[01:15] <eyequeue> Pointwood:  wget http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3-1_all.deb
[01:15] <jintxo> plus the trialing dots you pointed out
[01:15] <Pizbit> lewwy: After having seen you blather on in here I can't help but think you might have had something to do with not having worked out of the box:)
[01:15] <eyequeue> jintxo:  great
[01:15] <jintxo> :-)
[01:15] <apokryphos> eyequeue: that's dead :P
[01:15] <BockBilbo> hey
[01:16] <mz2> huh? how am i supposed to edit the menus in gnome 2.10
[01:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos, Pointwood :  http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:16] <seraphiel> how do I change my net settings? I want eth1 to use dhcp and set eth0 manualy
[01:16] <corza> Pizbit: it's still asking for a username & password
[01:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  can't see the end in firefox, annoying
[01:16] <BockBilbo> is there actually a channel for ssh with people to talk to?
[01:16] <lewwy> seraphiel
[01:16] <lewwy> seraphiel: are you using warty or hoary?
[01:16] <eyequeue> seraphiel:  man 5 interfaces
[01:16] <apokryphos> eyequeue: that one did it
[01:16] <Pizbit> corza: Paste your full smb.conf to pastebin
[01:17] <corza> Pizbit: no prob
[01:17] <seraphiel> lewwy, think it`a warty
[01:17] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell mz2 ubugnomemenu
[01:17] <Pyre> mz2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[01:17] <seraphiel> lewwy, it`s warty
[01:17] <apokryphos> mz2: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[01:17] <mz2> ah :)
[01:17] <turf> how do u guys restart a service in ubuntu?
[01:17] <corza> http://www.pastebin.com/263692
[01:17] <black_Nightmare> at least it has lot more free ram for now
[01:17] <lewwy> ah ok
[01:18] <eyequeue> turf:  i believe you mean sudo /etc/init.d/foo restart
[01:18] <eyequeue> if that's "service"
[01:18] <roberto> hi :)
[01:18] <turf> eyequeue: foo it the command?
[01:18] <lewwy> linux is so incredibly illogical
[01:18] <Pizbit> corza: You forgot to remove the ; in front of security = share
[01:18] <apokryphos> lewwy: stop trolling.
[01:18] <eyequeue> turf:  what is an example service?
[01:18] <corza> Pizbit: oh i didnt know i had to do that 8-) lol
[01:19] <corza> Pizbit: ok i'll give that a go
[01:19] <Harpi> i have some detail cncerning my prob
[01:19] <turf> eyequeue: httpd
[01:19] <lewwy> stop trolling?
[01:19] <lewwy> is that like, dissing ubuntu
[01:19] <Harpi> it tells me ..."AMD64: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
[01:19] <lewwy> ok
[01:19] <lewwy> sorry
[01:19] <goldfish> lewwy: yeah
[01:19] <turf> eyequeue: or smb
[01:19] <goldfish> lewwy: dissing linux
[01:19] <Harpi> it tells me ..."AMD64: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
[01:19] <lewwy> but like...i just spent a good 520mb on a distro that cant even get on the net
[01:19] <eyequeue> turf:  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[01:19] <Pizbit> corza: Probably remove the ; in front of guest account = nobody too
[01:19] <lewwy> after 4 hours of trying
[01:19] <roberto> are there differences between Hoary preview Live CD and GNOME Live CD 2.10?
[01:19] <bob2> trolling isn't the same as dissing
[01:19] <apokryphos> lewwy: If you actually believe that, you're hopelessly deluded.
[01:19] <dex1> apok: s/hes just frustrated, she's been working on an installation-related network issue
[01:19] <Harpi> it tells me ..."Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method." sorry
[01:19] <corza> Pizbit: ok
[01:19] <apokryphos> lewwy: how are we on the net?
[01:19] <bluewheel> has anyone else had the problem with rhythum box saying it can't handle mp3's ?
[01:19] <goldfish> lewwy: well hoary is still not stable, maybe it's something to do with that
[01:19] <lewwy> hmmm
[01:19] <bob2> lewwy: it works for everyone else
[01:20] <lewwy> good point
[01:20] <dex1> apok: more than one computer or vmware
[01:20] <lewwy> yeh
[01:20] <bob2> lewwy: hinting that perhaps the problem is not with the OS
[01:20] <lewwy> everyone here using hedgy?
[01:20] <Harpi> do u have any idea
[01:20] <Pizbit> bluewheel: All you need to know http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> bob2 - so true...mine works fine minus one ongoing card issue
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[01:20] <Harpi> ?????? please
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> no other problem at all
[01:20] <eyequeue> bluewheel:  what you seen http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats yet?
[01:20] <lewwy> bob2: u using hedgy?
[01:20] <apokryphos> black_Nightmare: everyone has one ongoing issue :D
[01:20] <bob2> Harpi: please stop being obnocious
[01:20] <Harpi> oki
[01:20] <bob2> lewwy: that doesn't exist, I assume you mean "hoary"?
[01:20] <goldfish> lol
[01:20] <lewwy> bob2: If i get hedy will it make my network work properly?
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> apokryphos...LOL well this is creative sb card but in isa slot :p
[01:21] <lewwy> the hedgy hedgehog?
[01:21] <lewwy> isnt that in existance?
[01:21] <apokryphos> Hoary
[01:21] <bluewheel> Pizbit, eyequeue : nope not seen it yet, i'll take a look now
[01:21] <bob2> lewwy: "hedy" is not a word
[01:21] <lewwy> the stable one?
[01:21] <lewwy> not the preview
[01:21] <dex1> bob2: didn't for me yesterday (on another pc) nor would it even with fourteen hrs work so there :p I'm trying it on XP via vmware now though and it's a much more calm process
[01:21] <Pizbit> He's trolling
[01:21] <corza> Pizbit: u rock dude :)
[01:21] <Harpi> well ...
[01:21] <lewwy> whos trolling?
[01:21] <Pizbit> corza: Of course *g*
[01:21] <lewwy> look im asking a simple question
[01:21] <kent> eyequeue, with that menueditor i got two systemtools menus :)  I tried to change the icon for the menueditor in systemtools (it turned up there) with the menueditor, but it created a new menu called Systemtools (I translated it from swedish to english) with only the menueditor with the new icon in it.
[01:21] <corza> Pizbit: lol
[01:21] <goldfish> lewwy: warty warthog is stable
[01:21] <lewwy> who here is using hedgy hedgehog
[01:22] <lewwy> OHH
[01:22] <lewwy> WARTY
[01:22] <lewwy> THATS THE ONE
[01:22] <goldfish> hoary hedgehog is not
[01:22] <apokryphos> lewiz: the vast majority here.
[01:22] <lewwy> sorry guys
[01:22] <apokryphos> goldfish: hoary is emphatically not the problem ;)
[01:22] <bob2> lewwy: please stop being so annoying
[01:22] <lewwy> so warty is stable?
[01:22] <goldfish> apokryphos: indeed :)
[01:22] <goldfish> lewwy: yeah
[01:22] <lewwy> bob2: I am a noob
[01:22] <bob2> lewwy: warty is the current stable release of ubuntu, yes
[01:22] <lewwy> bob2:
[01:22] <apokryphos> lewwy: Yes; please check the Wiki for more information.
[01:22] <goldfish> hoary is stable for most ppl in here though
[01:22] <eyequeue> kent:  i've noticed it has troubles with thing having differing capitalization, and then if you make one the same as the other, you can't delete one
[01:22] <lewwy> bob2: I just want to know if i get warty will it increase my chances of network capibility
[01:22] <bob2> lewwy: that doesn't excuse being annoying
[01:23] <bob2> lewwy: yes
[01:23] <BockBilbo> bob2, eyequeue hey
[01:23] <goldfish> Saying linux is completely illogical is not a good way to get help in a linux channel :)
[01:23] <lewwy> ok
[01:23] <lewwy> thankyou bob2
[01:23] <lewwy> yeh
[01:23] <lewwy> its just i've had so many bad experiences with linux
[01:23] <lewwy> no
[01:23] <goldfish> ah right
[01:23] <eyequeue> kent:  but i also am happy to have something compared to the nothing i had before.  Amaranth is in here often and i'm sure would be happy to hear polite bug reports
[01:23] <lewwy> but meh
[01:23] <Harpi> did someone had the same prob
[01:23] <lewwy> ubuntu seems super cool
[01:23] <lewwy> and im willing to give it a try
[01:23] <bob2> lewwy: using the unstable release of anything is a bad idea if you have no idea how to fix problems
[01:23] <turf> eyequeue: got it thanks
[01:24] <eyequeue> turf:  great
[01:24] <lewwy> and may i say the support people are very nice
[01:24] <lewwy> ok
[01:24] <lewwy> i did not know that bob2
[01:24] <goldfish> Harpi: Tried ubuntuforums ?
[01:24] <lewwy> thankyou for clarifications
[01:24] <goldfish> Harpi: searching them i mean
[01:24] <Harpi> yes
[01:24] <lewwy> yeh but here is like
[01:24] <goldfish> i see :/
[01:24] <lewwy> instantanious response
[01:24] <lewwy> oh
[01:24] <lewwy> like that
[01:24] <lewwy> well
[01:24] <lewwy> i'll tell you what
[01:24] <lewwy> warty is downloading
[01:24] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  hey.  ssh issues btw?
[01:24] <lewwy> so by morning it will be done
[01:24] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, yeah
[01:24] <apokryphos> lewwy: next tip for the day: no flooding ;)
[01:24] <lewwy> if i have the same problems
[01:25] <lewwy> i'll come in here and ask
[01:25] <Harpi> i found domeone who had the same prob but i don't understand anyting
[01:25] <lewwy> sorry
[01:25] <goldfish> good luck
[01:25] <bob2> BockBilbo: howdy
[01:25] <lewwy> im sorta new to IRC as well
[01:25] <BockBilbo> trying to dissallow all users but one to access to a remote system via ssh
[01:25] <Harpi> i give you the url https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1659
[01:25] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  AllowUsers in sshd_config yet?
[01:25] <roberto> does anybody know if there are differences between Hoary preview Live CD and GNOME Live CD 2.10?
[01:25] <corza> Pizbit: you wouldnt be able to post me your Mouse Configuration from the Default xorg.conf file would ya.. its just that i tried to configure mine so that my back and forward buttons were working.. it turned out that all of them work but they are all switched around and well i use my scroller a lot more.. lol
[01:25] <roberto> :)
[01:26] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, havent touch it yet... gonna take a look
[01:26] <BockBilbo> brb
[01:26] <Harpi> that's exactly the same prob
[01:26] <Pizbit> corza: What mouse do you have?
[01:26] <corza> Pizbit: Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
[01:26] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, where is that file at?
[01:26] <Pizbit> http://www.pastebin.com/263699
[01:27] <BockBilbo> neverminf
[01:27] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  sorry, /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:27] <BockBilbo> /etc/ssh
[01:27] <BockBilbo> yea
[01:27] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  the line does not exist in the default file btw, just add it
[01:27] <Harpi> did someone understand the file
[01:28] <corza> Pizbit: you wouldnt know how to um fix it would ya?
[01:28] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  space-delimited list, see man 5 sshd_config for details, but that line is fairly obvious
[01:28] <Pizbit> corza: Doh, that's not the default mouse section, but it's mine and it works:P
[01:28] <corza> Pizbit: i've been to like a million sites to fix it to no avail lol
[01:28] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:28] <BockBilbo> thanks
[01:28] <eyequeue> np
[01:28] <BockBilbo> lets see if i can do it
[01:28] <BockBilbo> :D
[01:28] <eyequeue> good to see you again
[01:28] <corza> Pizbit: no prob lol it might get my scroller working properly again.
[01:28] <BockBilbo> :) same same
[01:29] <Pizbit> corza: Remember you have to reload X after chaning the config file
[01:29] <corza> Pizbit: its just when i tried fixing it and putting other things in my scroller buttons switched with my back and forward buttons
[01:29] <corza> Pizbit: so they were acting as each other.. and well i use my scroller more so than my back and forward buttons
[01:29] <Pizbit> corza: Paste your mouse section somewhere and I'll see what I can think up
[01:29] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about ubuntu and gps? (I'm not on my own computer to just be able to look at synaptic so) ;p
[01:29] <corza> Pizbit: lol i just deleted it all just wait i'll find the site where i got it from
[01:30] <Pizbit> corza: Heh, if you use the section I pasted it might work
[01:30] <eyequeue> gps - Graphical Process Statistics using GTK+
[01:30] <WeirdAl> There an x-box emulator for Debian? I just found an x-box game and I don't have an x-box.
[01:30] <black_Nightmare> no not that eyeq lol
[01:30] <eyequeue> gpsd - GPS (Global Positioning System) service daemon
[01:30] <corza> Pizbit: ok lol
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> hmm eyeq if I download that.... can it work with a gps that has live location feedback?  or not really
[01:31] <corza> http://www.pastebin.com/263700
[01:31] <eyequeue> gpsd-clients
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> I can try get you the model of it if you want
[01:31] <eyequeue> gpsdrive
[01:31] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, supposely, if i use the AllowUsers command, just the users named after the command will be allowed to log in using ssh, right?
[01:31] <cusco> hi
[01:31] <cusco> how do I put my webcam to work?
[01:31] <eyequeue> i know nothing of gps, i just did apt-cache search gps, you're on your own there i think
[01:31] <cusco> do I need to loada  module or somethin
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> ughh nevermind, ty anyhoe eyeq
[01:32] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  yeah:  /etc/ssh/sshd_config: AllowUsers eyequeue bockbilbo, heh
[01:32] <bob2> cusco: does linux support your webcam?
[01:33] <Pizbit> corza: It'll be the ZAxisMapping bit, now personally I havn't dealt with the mouse bit myself, but if you change it to "4 5" it might work like an ordinary mouse *shrug* :)
[01:33] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, ... lol... i think i misspelled my user name and now i cant log in hehe... gonna have to connect the keyboard and the screen to the server
[01:33] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:33] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:33] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  and you restarted ssh?
[01:34] <stazz> corza: which mouse are you trying?
[01:34] <corza> Pizbit: umm yeah but it doesnt lol it then just cancels out my back and forward buttons and my scroller still acts as my back and forward buttons
[01:34] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, yeah
[01:34] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:34] <corza> stazz: Intellimouse Explorer 3.0a
[01:34] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  always always with ssh, including even package upgrades, ssh *out* from the box, then back *in* before disconnecting the first connection :)
[01:34] <stazz> corza: I've set one up. your xorg.conf looks fine, but you need to tweak your xmodmap and imwheel
[01:34] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  the voice of experince, yeah:( lol
[01:35] <stazz> corza: imwheel -k -b "67"
[01:35] <corza> stazz: ohhh can u help me :P!
[01:35] <BockBilbo> hehe
[01:35] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:35] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:35] <BockBilbo> brbr
[01:35] <stazz> corza: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[01:35] <BockBilbo> gonna fix the problem
[01:36] <stazz> corza: you can, as well, "echo pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 >> ~/.Xmodmap" and xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[01:36] <corza> stazz: how do i edit my imwheel and xmodmap?
[01:36] <stazz> corza: but you have to run both xmodmap and imwheel commands at xorg startup
[01:36] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, ill give you the url to my server later :) Ubuntu rocks as a server
[01:36] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:36] <eyequeue> yep
[01:36] <stazz> corza: just run the commands I told you
[01:36] <corza> stazz: in... where?
[01:36] <stazz> corza: in a terminal
[01:36] <corza> stazz: in xorg?
[01:36] <kakalto> how can I make a launcher do a command, and then launch a different application?
[01:36] <corza> oh ok
[01:36] <stazz> corza: start your x, open up a terminal, run the two commands..
[01:37] <eyequeue> kakalto:  i'd tell it to launch a short bash script
[01:37] <kakalto> ...
[01:37] <goldfish> kakalto: any joy with the transparency?
[01:38] <kakalto> yeah
[01:38] <corza> which 2, just "echo pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 >> ~/.Xmodmap" is the only one i got :S
[01:38] <stazz> corza: imwheel -k -b "67"
[01:38] <kakalto> goldfish, I just used gnome-terminal instead
[01:38] <goldfish> ah right
[01:38] <kakalto> but...
[01:38] <corza> imwheel not found..
[01:38] <stazz> corza: and xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap to load the xmodmap as well
[01:38] <stazz> corza: sudo apt-get install imwheel..
[01:38] <kakalto> under xchat, my name & text shows up as grey, but I can't find the option to change this
[01:39] <eyequeue> speaking of transparancy, i saw some really cool related pics of peple machines online recently
[01:39] <black_Nightmare> kakalto..its under 'colors'
[01:39] <kakalto> black_Nightmare, and which option under 'color's?
[01:39] <kakalto> I looked there
[01:39] <goldfish> yeah lynucks.org has some sweet screenshots
[01:39] <goldfish> ermm..
[01:39] <WeirdAl> black_Nightmare, no it's not.
[01:39] <corza> stazz: ok now my scroller is working fine but my back and forward buttons are still going scroller style
[01:39] <elvirolo> hi all!
[01:39] <black_Nightmare> kakalto..whichever color is already gray
[01:39] <goldfish> whatever the site is :)
[01:40] <eyequeue> the desktop background is a photo of what's behind the computer, it's eerie how it can trick your eye
[01:40] <WeirdAl> There's nothing in xchat options to change your own text colour ... only other people's.
[01:40] <stazz> corza: duh. did you xmodmap .Xmodmap ?
[01:40] <goldfish> eyequeue: wow, cool
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> weirdal..yes it is..I changed my ubuntu-xchat color from the 'colors' panel
[01:40] <stazz> corza: as in load the .Xmodmap? :E
[01:40] <kakalto> black_Nightmare, of your own text colour?
[01:40] <corza> stazz: i typed in... xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[01:40] <WeirdAl> There's no gray swatch in my options any more :-s
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> even changed other nicks to show up as green instead of the plain blue
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> :p
[01:40] <WeirdAl> afaik
[01:40] <stazz> corza: ok, so it should work fine
[01:41] <corza> stazz: it isnt though
[01:41] <stazz> corza: ...if you are using the x configuration seen in the pastebin
[01:41] <kakalto> :(
[01:41] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Enable coloured nicks, it's so much more fun
[01:41] <black_Nightmare> pizbit..I'll also rather set my own colors too ;)
[01:41] <corza> stazz: oo just wait i'll restart x and see if that makes a difference brb
[01:41] <black_Nightmare> save the background is still its original light gray and so
[01:41] <elvirolo> i've got a prob with my fat partition : although reading and writing on it worked fine until now, it suddenly started telling i hadn't the right to write on it without having changed my fstab ... this is the line I use: /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    vfat    umask=000,rw       0       0
[01:41] <mz2> how would i trigger the display probing thing that ubuntu does during installation (i've changed the display card)
[01:41] <eyequeue> Pizbit:  i do that, and then somehow only the red people talk for a while, weird
[01:41] <Zugot> i have an ubuntu wish
[01:42] <Zugot> i wish my mouse would work
[01:42] <Zugot> lol
[01:42] <Pizbit> eyequeue: Same nicks always get the same colour
[01:42] <black_Nightmare> zugot :p
[01:42] <Pizbit> eyequeue: But that does get annoying doesn't it?:)
[01:42] <eyequeue> Pizbit:  no, it's just that the other color nicks all go quiet, and the three reds talk a lot
[01:42] <Pizbit> eyequeue: Yes.
[01:42] <WeirdAl> colour test!
[01:43] <WeirdAl> grey
[01:43] <WeirdAl> However, my name is white.
[01:43] <WeirdAl> how about this?
[01:43] <WeirdAl> nope
[01:43] <elvirolo> can anyone help me ?
[01:43] <black_Nightmare> I don't mind if the topic ends at this sentence but then anyhow.... http://www.garmin.com/products/etrexVista/ this is the gps thats' here and I've been wondering about trying use it with my ubuntu computer
[01:43] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  here any line to me, the speakers nick turns bold yellow
[01:43] <dex1> mz2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:43] <dex1> :)
[01:43] <WeirdAl> Red for me.
[01:43] <WeirdAl> On the one I just disconnected from it does stuff properly.
[01:43] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: gpstrans ?
[01:43] <WeirdAl> This PC's on Hoary, that one Warty.
[01:44] <goldfish> is it easy to switch from xfree to xorg in warty?
[01:44] <Zugot> if i plug in a usb mouse, shouldn't ubuntu just recognize it?  no questsions asked?
[01:44] <eyequeue> this is hoary today
[01:44] <goldfish> or should i just upgrade to hoary?
[01:44] <dex1> mz2: ignore that if yr on hoary
[01:44] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: http://www.pastebin.com/263703
[01:44] <WeirdAl> The one on Warty has everyone's text the same colour, bold yellow names for highlight, and people's names have < >
[01:44] <corza> stazz: ok what were those commands?
[01:44] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Look in xchat preferences
[01:44] <WeirdAl> On this one, there's loads of different colours and my own text is grey. Also names don't have <>
[01:44] <WeirdAl> There's no grey swatch in my colours now.
[01:44] <Pizbit> See where it says "Colours" and the colours have numbers in their boxes? I think it uses those
[01:44] <black_Nightmare> pizbit... ty that's for me..I'll have to try apt-get it when I use my pc later
[01:44] <stazz> corza: xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[01:45] <WeirdAl> test
[01:45] <WeirdAl> nope
[01:45] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  how did you toggle off the <>?
[01:45] <stazz> corza: imwheel -k -b "67"
[01:45] <goldfish> use irssi !
[01:45] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Sounds interesting to me:)
[01:45] <WeirdAl> eyequeue: I didn't. I can't figure out how to turn them on
[01:45] <mz2> dex1, ah... me idiot. so that does the probing as well
[01:45] <corza> stazz: sweet working properly :D is there a way i can put these commands to run on startup?
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> pizbit... about gpstrans ... what is 'almanac'?
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> the php link is 404
[01:45] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: No idea
[01:46] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Er? It exists
[01:46] <Pizbit> http://www.pastebin.com/263703 = not a 404
[01:46] <Pizbit> corza: Add them into gnome session
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> pizbit no I mean when you clich the name itself [almanac]  to the php site
[01:47] <kakalto> g'night all
[01:47] <Zugot> when you plug a usb mouse in, should a message be generated in /var/log/messages?
[01:47] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Er, that's just a pastebin I used, if it thinks something belong to php it'll create the link automatically
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> ahh...ic I see
[01:47] <Pizbit> Nothing to do with me:)
[01:47] <corza> Pizbit: oh yeah thanks :)
[01:47] <cusco> bob2: Idon't know
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> pizbit..ok ok :p
[01:47] <corza> stazz: they have screwed up again.. the back and forward buttons are doing the scroll thing again
[01:48] <corza> stazz: but the scroll is working fine.. they were both working properly for a few seconds though
[01:48] <Pizbit> WeirdAl: Right, you're after putting <>'s around nicks?
[01:48] <cusco> sory, I wasn't here
[01:48] <WeirdAl> Yep. also I want my messages to turn up the same colour as everyone else's
[01:48] <Pizbit> WeirdAl: Settings -> Advanced -> Text Events ...
 Yep. also I want my messages to turn up the same colour as everyone else's
[01:48] <apokryphos> Konversation style. ;)
[01:49] <eyequeue> ^^ on hoary
[01:49] <dex1> greaat. "I will disable this X server for now. restart Gnome Manager when it has been configured correctly".  Worked ok-ish until I ran the vmware tools pl file that I had to run
[01:49] <WeirdAl> eyequeue: are you on warty or hoary?
[01:49] <len> hiya, any advice on where to put a partition that will be a music folder, other than /home
[01:49] <corza> stazz: are you there dude?
[01:49] <stazz> corza: try them again with some silly program
[01:49] <apokryphos> len: why not /home?
[01:49] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  hoary, and basically your description of warty is what i get here
[01:49] <corza> stazz: with some silly program??
[01:49] <stazz> corza: and check with ps aux | grep imwheel if imwheel is still running
[01:49] <apokryphos> len: /media is good
[01:49] <WeirdAl> That's odd.
[01:50] <stazz> corza: firefox for example :)
[01:50] <WeirdAl> I installed hoary straight off and it's been like this all the time.
[01:50] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  OH!  i have the same /home partition on both, that's got to be it
[01:50] <dex1> I'll try and sort it out tomorrow I think now. :)
[01:50] <dex1> bye all
[01:50] <WeirdAl> ah
[01:50] <corza> stazz: umm i think its still running
[01:50] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  a new hoary user probably gets what you see
[01:50] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, done
[01:50] <len> apokryphos, i have home for downloads and temp tv shows and photo's
[01:50] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:50] <stazz> corza: but the thumb-buttons have no effect in firefox?
[01:50] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  cool
[01:50] <BockBilbo> this is the url to my apache server: http://www.goikoetxeta.com/
[01:51] <Pizbit> eyequeue: That's one stupid thing about this xchat business, they changed the colour scheme and other crap that should have been left alone
[01:51] <corza> stazz: no the thumb back and forward buttons go up and down (what the scroller does)
[01:51] <corza> stazz: but the scroller is still working
[01:51] <BockBilbo> i also have an ftp server... plus the ssh one.. next step: pop3 server and mailman
[01:51] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:51] <eyequeue> Pizbit:  i guess i'm glad for the old /home then
[01:51] <len> apokryphos, i was thinking /mnt or /opt  those alright?
[01:51] <apokryphos> len: your /home should be all of *your* stuff, which essentially includes Music, but it's up to you. You can mount it on a subdirectory of /home, but it's completely up to you. You could use /media
[01:51] <Pizbit> eyequeue: Yeah
[01:51] <WeirdAl> how about htis?
[01:51] <WeirdAl> ffs
[01:51] <apokryphos> len: either are fine; /mnt is more Mandrake style though ;)
[01:51] <stazz> corza: run xev
[01:51] <black_Nightmare> pizbit...anyhow ty for pointing out gpstrans .. maybe after breakfast I'll try it :p
[01:51] <WeirdAl> Pizbit: do I have to reload to get these things to change?
[01:51] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  i found mailman to be an obnoxious resource hog on a constained machine
[01:52] <corza> stazz: its running..
[01:52] <stazz> corza: as in, open a terminal, run xev, move the xev window so you can see the output in the terminal
[01:52] <Pizbit> WeirdAl: Don't think so, you do need to click save and whatnot
[01:52] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, so... you dont recomend it?
[01:52] <WeirdAl> Yeah did.
[01:52] <stazz> corza: try pressing the thumb-buttons and scrolling, watch what buttons the output shows
[01:52] <corza> ahhh ok
[01:52] <corza> its got for my scroller and my back and forward buttons as the same button
[01:52] <len> apokryphos, i already put a mount on /home, perhaps i should have made that partion super big instead of making three partitions.  dang.
[01:52] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  no, go for it, but don't get addicted to using it until you see if it is tolerable there
[01:53] <corza> except a different button for 'release' 6 & 7
[01:53] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  and you have to give it some load to see if it is demanding there or not
[01:53] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, i just wanted to install it to learn about it
[01:53] <apokryphos> len: You should, ideally, have three in all: /, /home and /swap
[01:53] <apokryphos> len: you can still mount something as a subdirectory of /home
[01:53] <stazz> corza: I guess the xmodmap I gave you doesn't work..
[01:54] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  me too, and btw i love the app, just my box didn't, heh
[01:54] <apokryphos> len: i.e. /home/music
[01:54] <stazz> corza: what's the ZAxisMapping in your xorg.conf ?
[01:54] <Pizbit> WeirdAl: Click on 'black theme' http://www.silenceisdefeat.org/~b0at/xchat/win32/
[01:54] <apokryphos> *swap, no / ;)
[01:54] <BockBilbo> hehe
[01:54] <corza> 6 7
[01:54] <BockBilbo> so i gues mine wont either...
[01:54] <corza> stazz: 6 7
[01:54] <stazz> corza: that should be correct..
[01:54] <BockBilbo> my server its a oldddd pc
[01:54] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:54] <Pizbit> WeirdAl: That will get you the proper set of colours and text events etc
[01:54] <WeirdAl> ah right :-)
[01:54] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  i think it would be happy if i'd had more available ram, you might be okay
[01:55] <corza> stazz: yeah i just double checked and it is
[01:55] <WeirdAl> Where do I put these?
[01:55] <len> apokryphos, i see; also, the partition i want to move, is located on /temp, will that break anything if i move it?
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> pizbit do you know a bit about gps or not really that much at all?
[01:55] <WeirdAl> mn
[01:55] <stazz> corza: did you restart xdm?
[01:55] <WeirdAl> nm*
[01:55] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, how much ram do you have?
[01:55] <apokryphos> len: nope, just change the mount point.
[01:55] <BockBilbo> mine has just 64
[01:55] <WeirdAl> I found TFM and read it
[01:55] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: I know what it is, I know some of it's uses, but never played with it
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> ah ok
[01:55] <stazz> corza: as in the login manager, as in the graphical login
[01:55] <corza> stazz: i did....
[01:55] <corza> stazz: before anyway
[01:55] <stazz> hmmmh.
[01:56] <corza> stazz: when i just came back on before and put it in it worked for a few seconds or so
[01:56] <corza> stazz: and then went caput
[01:56] <WeirdAl> That will probably require a reload.
[01:56] <poningru> anyone from the tampabay area?
[01:56] <BockBilbo> by the way
[01:56] <len> apokryphos, ok, thanks, here goes, i think i will try and make a sub partitoin like u suggested
[01:56] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  i don't live with that box now, but as an illustration, i couldn't do an apt-get update, i had to do individual apt-get install with only a few packages at a time, adn *never* while cron.daily was running
[01:56] <stazz> corza: killall -9 imwheel and run it again or something
[01:56] <eyequeue> s.update/upgrade/ of course
[01:56] <BockBilbo> have you guys seen this: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html :| :  This site has been shut down because of numerous patent violations in MPlayer. The other free software multimedia players are next.
[01:57] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, hehe lol
[01:57] <stazz> corza: can't really help you there.
[01:57] <WeirdAl> rah?
[01:57] <WeirdAl> w00t
[01:57] <corza> stazz: should i kill xmodmap too?
[01:57] <WeirdAl> cheers Pizbit
[01:57] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  yeah, i blooged about it when i saw it :(
[01:57] <stazz> corza: no, it loads itself once only
[01:57] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:57] <BockBilbo> im gonna blog about it too
[01:57] <Pizbit> WeirdAl: No probs:)
[01:58] <len> apokryphos, i was going to use the ubuntu install disk to do this, then quit after re- partitioning, is this the easiest way?
[01:58] <BockBilbo> by the way, i have to add an ubuntu link in my blog
[01:58] <corza> stazz: it done nothing.. i think Xmodmap needs fixing somehow
[01:58] <stazz> corza: I'm sure the xmodmap works.
[01:58] <BockBilbo> do you know any nice ubuntu icon for adding to a link to my blog?
[01:58] <stazz> corza: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[01:58] <stazz> corza: try running it like that.
[01:58] <stazz> corza: it shouldn't prompt anything.
[01:58] <apokryphos> len: sorry, Internet d/c. Would have missed any other comments...
[01:58] <len> apokryphos, i was going to use the ubuntu install disk to do this, then quit after re- partitioning, is this the easiest way?
[01:58] <corza> stazz: prompts nothing so yeah..
[01:59] <corza> stazz: its 'supposobvily' worked
[01:59] <stazz> corza: do the buttons?
[01:59] <corza> stazz: no
[01:59] <stazz> corza: try this one, too.. xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5"
[01:59] <apokryphos> len: certainly not the easiset way. You can edit your fstab and just change the mount point there
[01:59] <corza> stazz: it fails
[02:00] <stazz> hmh. dunno then..
[02:00] <corza> stazz: says bad number of buttons, must have 7 instead of 5
[02:00] <len> apokryphos, ahhh, i didn't think of that.. that sounds much more easier
[02:00] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, :(
[02:00] <stazz> yehyeh.. the first one is correct.
[02:00] <len> apokryphos, ty
[02:00] <apokryphos> no problem :)
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> pizbit you mind checking one apt-get cache thing for me?
[02:02] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Hrm? Sure
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> pizbit..see if there's 'terraform' or I'll have to figure downloading it manually from the site myself?
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> its terrain render program
[02:03] <Pizbit> terraform - A height field manipulation program
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> ya there.. ;)
[02:03] <Pizbit> Yep, looks like it:)
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> ty :)
[02:03] <mz2> how do i make agpgart not load up?
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> gpstrans+terraform .. heh
[02:04] <corza> stazz: brb
[02:06] <corza> stazz: xmodmap seems to be doing nothing
[02:08] <vmrocha> is there a good light java ide for linux?
[02:08] <Seveas> mz2, change your x config, blackilist it, etc...
[02:08] <mz2> it's in /etc/hotplug/blacklist but that doesn't seem to make a difference
[02:08] <Seveas> vmrocha, vim :)
[02:08] <Seveas> mz2, then it is not loaded by hotplug but by something else
[02:08] <Seveas> so look at your X config
[02:09] <mz2> ok, so i probably need to change that nvagp option
[02:09] <vmrocha> Seveas, hehehe i like to use it to, but it doent support projects
[02:11] <corza> Pizbit: are u there ?
[02:12] <Pizbit> nope
[02:12] <corza> Pizbit: damn
[02:12] <HappyPills> If .mov files show up as only sound and a green background what is the likely cause?
[02:12] <corza> Pizbit: lol, umm that startup process command doesnt seem to work..
[02:12] <corza> Pizbit: I just typed in what i would normally type into terminal.. is that right?
[02:12] <Seveas> HappyPills, that you are drunk :o)
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> ROFL
[02:13] <HappyPills> I'll give you that
[02:13] <Pizbit> corza: Erm how did you add it excatly?:)
[02:13] <corza> Pizbit: pressed add..
[02:13] <corza> Pizbit: in Startup Programs..?
[02:13] <Pizbit> corza: Yeah, should be fine
[02:14] <HappyPills> but they did work in windows, now they are evil and give me only a green bg... .mov files are quicktime right? I may just find a qt player
[02:14] <corza> Pizbit: well it dosent work
[02:14] <Pizbit> Odd that
[02:14] <Seveas> Pizbit, i believe qt codecs are in w32codecs
[02:14] <HappyPills> got that installed already
[02:14] <Seveas> and can be played by mplayer
[02:14] <eyequeue> and w32codecs is in the marillat repo
[02:14] <Seveas> hmm, i meant HappyPills, zorry Pizbit :)
[02:15] <HappyPills> Totem is just an mplayer gui essentially isn't it?
[02:15] <corza> PIzbit: eh.. can u help then lol
[02:15] <Pizbit> HappyPills: Rofl, no.
[02:15] <Seveas> not really...
[02:15] <apokryphos> HappyPills: no, completely different.
[02:15] <apokryphos> HappyPills: Mplayer has a GUI. :P
[02:15] <Pizbit> corza: *shrug* everything I've added to 'startup programs' in the gnome session prefs loads when I login to gnome:)
[02:15] <corza> Pizbit: into startup programs i typed this command "imwheel -k -b "67"" and that didnt open
[02:16] <eyequeue> totem-xine somehow supports more than totem-gstreamer?
[02:16] <Pizbit> corza: Do it without the " ?
[02:16] <corza> Pizbit: yes i did it without the "
[02:16] <corza> Pizbit: maybe i have to set a timer on it?
[02:16] <Pizbit> Nah
[02:16] <Pizbit> corza: Try editing the order to something like 45
[02:16] <corza> Pizbit: o to 45 why 45?
[02:17] <stazz> corza: yeah the gnome startup-programs somehow don't work.
[02:17] <eyequeue> Pizbit:  is there a statup prgrams that can force gkrellm to autostat only in workspace 4?
[02:17] <ACID|net> hey
[02:17] <stazz> corza: You need to add thre three lines (imwheel, xmodmap, gnome-session) to your ~/.Xsession and then select "Custom session" from GDM
[02:18] <ACID|net> i know this will sound a bit silly but......if i pay 80 for 20gb of bandwidth on my server how much is per gb? 4 or 0.25?
[02:18] <woodywarty> Hi all
[02:18] <Pizbit> eyequeue: Hrm, there is a tool for moving windows and whatnot to specific desktops but I can't remember much more than that, gnome-session doesn't itself
[02:18] <HappyPills> ah. mplayer crashed nicely =P
[02:18] <laxise> anyone in here using game???
[02:18] <laxise> daim
[02:18] <laxise> gaim
[02:18] <laxise> sorry
[02:18] <Pizbit> laxise: "yes"
[02:18] <stazz> ACID|net: gigabyts divided by the cost :P
[02:18] <laxise> ah cool
[02:18] <HappyPills> laxise: yes
[02:18] <eyequeue> Pizbit:  yeah so it would be more annoying to move it each time than to start it manually i think
[02:18] <stazz> ACID|net: no, the other way around :D
[02:18] <laxise> how to set up an ICQ account??? for gaim
[02:18] <woodywarty> how do I enable GnuPG support in Sylpheed-Claws ?
[02:18] <stazz> ACID|net: so it'd be four pounds per gigabyte
[02:18] <black_Nightmare> yeah I used gaim a bit
[02:19] <ACID|net> stazz: Huh?? ahh ok
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> and laxise..do you already have one or need one?
[02:19] <corza> stazz: um is this in System > Preferences > Sessions > Startup Programs?
[02:19] <ACID|net> hmmm :( was hoping it would be 0.25p oh well!
[02:19] <Pizbit> corza: Ya
[02:19] <laxise> i already have gaim
[02:19] <stazz> corza: yeah, that didn't work for me either.
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> laxise..no I mean the account
[02:19] <laxise> i have one
[02:19] <corza> stazz: oh ok where do i put it into .Xsesson?
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> laxise..so just enter your icq number and password..should be it
[02:19] <eyequeue> laxise:  when you have hoary there, i recommend sudo apt-get install gaim-encryption
[02:20] <stazz> corza: ..you create a new file and one command per line.
[02:20] <black_Nightmare> eyeq..whats that for?
[02:20] <woodywarty> How can I use GnuPG in Sylpheed-Claws Mail Client ?
[02:20] <laxise> ok i try and send some message back thx !!!
[02:20] <Pizbit> laxise: icq.com ? I could be wrong but you might need to use the ICQ program to get a number.
[02:20] <woodywarty> bob2, are you there ?
[02:20] <woodywarty> Crimsun
[02:20] <corza> stazz: what do u mean a new file?
[02:20] <woodywarty> Amaranth
[02:20] <laxise> pizbit ... i already have a number
[02:20] <eyequeue> black_Nightmare:  end-to-end encryption, nothing plaintext at the server end, automatic even with others running it, if you configure it that way
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> eyeq..hmm....is it just aptget then rerun gaim or more than that?
[02:21] <Pizbit> laxise: So just add the account?
[02:22] <eyequeue> black_Nightmare:  no, that simple, then a little config for it, i can set it to use it with you, but not with my kid sister on non-gaim for example
[02:22] <Pizbit> laxise: Tools -> Accounts -> Add
[02:22] <corza> stazz: how do u mean? can u please explain / post what u mean in pastephp or wat ever it is lol
[02:23] <Pizbit> Protocol: AIM/ICQm Screen Name: Your ICQ number, password: duh alias: what your name should be
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> eyeq..ah ok ty
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> pizbit..don't have to bother with the alias if your account already has a nick/whatever
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> likewise eg for msn it just uses whatever was the last nick you set your messenger to before
[02:23] <black_Nightmare> just thought I'll say that
[02:24] <kama> hello
[02:24] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: Ahh
[02:24] <eyequeue> or, account samiwantschicken27538u49w7654, alias suzie, heh
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> pizbit...doh? :p
[02:24] <Pizbit> black_Nightmare: No?
[02:24] <laxise> pizbit: i wrote my ICq number into the screen name bar ... then my password and my alias but it still doesn't work
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> eyeq..what kind of messenger service would accept such account name to start with? lol
[02:25] <corza> stazz: can u help me do it?
[02:25] <stazz> corza: I think I already told you..
[02:25] <corza> stazz: did u?
[02:25] <stazz> corza: You just create a file .Xsession in your home directory..
[02:25] <eyequeue> black_Nightmare:  i've seen some prettty lame ones, and they fill the whole little msg box with the nick, heh
[02:25] <stazz> corza: you put the three lines..
[02:25] <stazz> corza: xmodmap, imwheel, and gnome-session, I bet you can fill in the blanks :)
[02:26] <stazz> and then, in GDM, you open a "custom session" from the sessions list..
[02:26] <corza> stazz: yeah i was asking u what gnome-sesson was..
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> eyeq..ok whatever you say :)
[02:26] <stazz> corza: gnome-session is what starts gnome
[02:26] <corza> stazz: is gnome-session a command then?
[02:26] <stazz> corza: yes, it is itself a command.
[02:26] <eyequeue> black_Nightmare:  minor exaggeration there
[02:26] <stazz> corza: the last (3rd) line should be "gnome-session"
[02:26] <stazz> considering you use gnome, that is..
[02:27] <hgoesm> hi
[02:27] <corza> stazz: yes i am, imwheel & modmap can be in any order?
[02:27] <stazz> corza: well, put it in the xmodmap, imwheel -- order
[02:28] <corza> stazz: ok, now that i've got my .Xsession setup what else do i have to do?
[02:28] <Pizbit> corza: Dance a jig!
[02:28] <stazz> corza: next time in gdm you start the custom session
[02:28] <stazz> corza: hoping it isn't overrided
[02:28] <corza> stazz: how do i start it? can i do it automatically somehow?
[02:29] <stazz> corza: there's a list of sessions in the loginscreen, you know?
[02:29] <stazz> corza: or the button that shows the list of sessions
[02:29] <corza> stazz: oh ok.....
[02:29] <aamcf> hi, I've just installed Ubuntu, but I can't get sound to work. I've got an audio CD playing, but there is no sound coming out of my speakers. I get sound when in windows, so everything is plugged in
[02:29] <ACID|net> to access a FTP server do i need to open ports 21 + 20 on my router or is that only if im a FTP server?
[02:30] <corza> stazz: do i have to do anything with this .Xsession file?
[02:30] <kent> In Hoary; why do I get a message from Update Manager saying its not possible to upgrade kernel-headers-2.6-686?  Its been there every time i run that program, and its been there for a long time i think (i've been using Hoary for a long time, doing daily upgrades)
[02:31] <eyequeue> kent:  i'd change 2.6 to 2.6.10 or such
[02:31] <eyequeue> kent:  meaning delete the one it complains about, and ad the one that's available
[02:31] <Seveas> kent, you can possibly upgrade it with apt-get dist0upgrade
[02:31] <Seveas> dist-upgrade that is...
[02:32] <corza> stazz: eh?
[02:32] <stazz> corza: no, nothing special.
[02:32] <stazz> corza: it just the file gdm hopefully executes, you know..
[02:32] <corza> stazz: ok i'll restart x and see what happens
[02:33] <BockBilbo> ive got a question about sudo, will it be better if i enable the root acount in my ubuntu server?
[02:33] <BockBilbo> i mean if it'll be more secure
[02:33] <Pizbit> Nope
[02:34] <ACID|net> its more secure without root
[02:34] <matthias> hello everybody papa is back and ive got something in my pocket for your desktops
[02:34] <matthias> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22368
[02:34] <ACID|net> to access a FTP server do i need to open ports 21 + 20 on my router or is that only if im a FTP server?
[02:34] <matthias> behold of of the ancient power of afrca
[02:34] <corza> stazz: it didnt work
[02:34] <Seveas> ACID|net, that is only if you are a server
[02:34] <corza> stazz: im sure i've missed something
[02:35] <queuetue> I think I got a *bad* hoary updat ethis morning - gnome won't start...  The panels seem hung, and evolution keep reporting it's crashing.
[02:35] <eyequeue> nice
[02:35] <Seveas> to access one, just make sure jou use passive (PASV) transfers
[02:35] <queuetue> Is this  aknown problem, and is there a known solution?
[02:35] <ACID|net> Seveas: Cheers just checking
[02:35] <stazz> corza: was there a custom-session on the list?
[02:35] <ACID|net> Seveas: Why not port?
[02:35] <BockBilbo> ACID|net, Pizbit why do you say that? i mean. unless it is possible to modify the sudo password, if anyone manages to get access as a user to my system, will be able to sudo in it
[02:35] <corza> stazz: um on what list?
[02:36] <eyequeue> queuetue:  i've been active for hours in here and not seen mention of it
[02:36] <stazz> corza: on the *"!* list the session -buttons shows you..
[02:36] <Seveas> ACID|net, that will fail behind NAT
[02:36] <Pizbit> BockBilbo: Users don't get sudo access automatically when the accounts are created
[02:36] <Seveas> because the client will specify a local address
[02:36] <ACID|net> ahh!!!
[02:36] <ACID|net> :)
[02:36] <corza> stazz: no i dont think so, there could have been but i cant remember lol.. umm should i have put it into startup programs anything?
[02:36] <Seveas> and even if it doesn't, the server cannot connect to the client because of the router
[02:36] <stazz> corza: Applications -> System -> New login in a nested window
[02:37] <stazz> corza: check out the button, if you can find it..
[02:37] <matthias> bye again
[02:37] <BockBilbo> Pizbit, i see, so, how do i allow them to have sudo access?
[02:37] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  at install, the first user is added ro sudoers, but that's special
[02:37] <BockBilbo> aha
[02:37] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  /etc/sudoers
[02:37] <BockBilbo> i see
[02:37] <Pizbit> BockBilbo: Why would you want them to have sudo access?
[02:37] <stazz> Pizbit: I bet he must have his reasons.
[02:37] <Pizbit> Now *that* is insecure.
[02:37] <BockBilbo> Pizbit, just learning
[02:38] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: but man 5 sudoers, and only give them access to the few things they need, not blanket access like you have
[02:38] <corza> stazz: ok its not there.
[02:38] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, thanks :)
[02:38] <stazz> corza: well, that's about where my knowledge on anything runs out. so ask somebody else :)
[02:38] <BockBilbo> i might use this in the future to allow sudo access to some friend using ssh
[02:38] <corza> stazz: i saved that file as ~/.Xsession
[02:38] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  it's a pretty powerful tool, don't be confused by the man page, just learn the bit you need at first
[02:39] <corza> stazz: was that right?
[02:39] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, ok
[02:39] <janaina> alo
[02:39] <stazz> corza: yes.. but you still need to have it executed somehow.
[02:39] <corza> stazz: yes ... how??
[02:39] <BockBilbo> Pizbit, stazz, ACID|net eyequeue  thank you
[02:39] <stazz> corza: I dunno. Ask somebody else.
[02:39] <Pizbit> BockBilbo: Make your friends give you a million in cash as a bond :D
[02:40] <BockBilbo> xD
[02:40] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  if you have an assistant webmaster, they can restart apache, but not view your gf's bank statements, or whatever
[02:40] <queuetue> If I remove some "unofficial" repositories and do a dist-upfgrade, will that remove all packages from those suspect repos?
[02:40] <corza> Pizbit: i have created a file ~/.Xsession it has my startup commands in it .. how do i execute it when i startup?
[02:40] <BockBilbo> queuetue, maybe
[02:40] <eyequeue> queuetue:  no, they just get marked as "local"
[02:40] <BockBilbo> queuetue, i had the problem you are having
[02:40] <Pizbit> corza: No idea, never dealt with it
[02:40] <kent> Seveas, eyequeue, thanks for the answere. I will delete that package (and a few other kernel-header* which i dont think i actually need) and see if the problems still remain.
[02:40] <queuetue> BockBilbo, Did you find a solution?
[02:41] <BockBilbo> queuetue, well
[02:41] <eyequeue> queuetue:  comment out the unofficial, upgrade, then uncomment if you want
[02:41] <corza> stazz: is how i did it, how u did it?
[02:41] <BockBilbo> you could comment the unofficial repos, and reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package
[02:42] <stazz> corza: selected the goddamn custom session from gdm.
[02:42] <BockBilbo> which should reinstall all the ubuntu desktop system including ubuntu's gnome
[02:42] <queuetue> BockBilbo, It says "is already the newest version" ...
[02:42] <BockBilbo> mmm
[02:42] <stazz> corza: it must be like the hundreth time I'm trying to tell it to you :)
[02:42] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get --reinstall install foo
[02:42] <corza> stazz: lol yeah thats weird coz it doesnt have custom session god damn lol!!
[02:43] <stazz> corza: the best part is that I don't even use ubuntu :p
[02:43] <corza> stazz: lol wat u using
[02:43] <stazz> corza: I'm sure there must be an XSESSION=gnome overriding it somewhere
[02:43] <queuetue> BockBilbo, It is only reinstalling ubuntu-desktop - no other packages...
[02:43] <stazz> corza: /etc/environment maybe
[02:44] <BockBilbo> queuetue, i fixed the problem reinstalling ubuntu and learning that unofficial repos must stayed commented unless i want to install or upgrade an specific package that isnt in the official repos
[02:44] <corza> stazz: nope.. its just got Languages
[02:44] <stazz> corza: I don't really know debian well enough to know the file for sure :<
[02:44] <scaroo> hi ppl, does any of has knowledge about java/j2ee developement or any link to a proper channel ?
[02:45] <stazz> corza: but I know that for some strange reason the startup programs - thing doesn't work with xmodmap nor imwheel
[02:45] <BockBilbo> queuetue, all the ubuntu desktop packages depend in the ubuntu-desktop package
[02:45] <queuetue> scaroo, like #java ?
[02:45] <vmrocha> is there any gui app to deal with rar files?
[02:45] <BockBilbo> #java scaroo
[02:45] <Seveas> vmrocha, maybe winrar under wine
[02:45] <corza> stazz: yeah..
[02:46] <Seveas> otherwise there is unrar-nonfree, just command-line
[02:46] <eyequeue> xterm -e rar?
[02:46] <Bardack> hello all
[02:46] <scaroo> yeah tat the obvious place, thanx guys !
[02:46] <BockBilbo> hello Bardack
[02:46] <queuetue> BockBilbo, They do not seem to - removing it does not remove gnome...
[02:46] <corza> stazz: lol all i need is for them to run when i startup coz everything will work good then
[02:46] <stazz> vmrocha: file-roller can handle rars
[02:46] <stazz> vmrocha: you just need to have unrar installed
[02:47] <stazz> corza: so the buttons started working?
[02:47] <azad> where can i see a partition list?
[02:47] <Seveas> stazz, thanks for the info :)
[02:47] <stazz> azad: cat /proc/partitions
[02:47] <Bardack> a problem , at the boot of cd , the system stop on "ACPI : subsysteme revision 20040816"
[02:47] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, should removing ubuntu-desktop remove also gnome?
[02:47] <vmrocha> stazz, thx a lot
[02:47] <corza> yeah they did before i'll try now though
[02:47] <Seveas> azad: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[02:47] <stazz> Seveas: isn't that obvious? :D
[02:47] <eyequeue> queuetue:  the problem there is that the ubuntu-desktop package is basically a small fake package
[02:47] <Seveas> stazz, not really
[02:47] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  no, i'll expain
[02:47] <azad> thanks
[02:47] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, i though it did
[02:47] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:48] <BockBilbo> sorry queuetue , lets see what eyequeue explains
[02:48] <eyequeue> queuetue:  all that the package is is a list of dependencies.  IF you don't have them, it forces them to be installed
[02:48] <Bardack> a problem , at the boot of cd , the system stop on "ACPI : subsysteme revision 20040816"
[02:48] <Bardack> :)
[02:48] <corza> stazz: well it started working when i put 1 2 3 4 5 in anyway
[02:48] <stazz> corza: ah well, good.
[02:48] <queuetue> eyequeue, but removing it does not remove those dependencies...  what is the easiest way to 'remove gnome" and reinstall it?
[02:49] <eyequeue> queuetue:  you already ave them, so asking the fake package to come agin just says "install this list if needed" and ... they're there already, so it does nothing
[02:49] <eyequeue> queuetue:  this isn't completely simple, noty a one-liner, but this is the easiest i can think of, here goes
[02:50] <eyequeue> queuetue:  you find ou the list of dependencies in that fake package, say it's foo bar baz, and then you issue 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install foo bar baz'
[02:51] <eyequeue> queuetue:  and here is how to find out the list of dependencies in there ... look at the Depends: line in the output of the command 'apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop'
[02:52] <eyequeue> everything in that line, you want to issue a reinstall for
[02:52] <eyequeue> IF any of those are also pseudo-packages, you'd have to do it for all their dependencies
[02:53] <eyequeue> messy, yeah, but impossible no
[02:53] <queuetue> Gah, why does apt-cache show insert commas, preventing this from being a simple copy-paste?
[02:53] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, could queuetue reinstall gnome removing the main gnome package and installing it again ?
[02:53] <BockBilbo> (wasnt it gnome-core, or smthing like that? )
[02:53] <queuetue> BockBilbo, When I tried that, "gnome" was not installed...
[02:53] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  no, that is a pseudopackage too
[02:53] <queuetue> gnome-core neither,.
[02:53] <randabis> yeah gnome-core is a meta
[02:54] <Quinn_Storm> queuetue: what are you trying to do? just kinda jumped in on this
[02:54] <queuetue> I was thinking of uninstalling gconf or something.
[02:54] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, so... gnome-core, ubuntu-desktop, linux-image ... lol all are pseudopackages
[02:54] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:54] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  they are handy for mass installtion of packages, but useless after then
[02:54] <randabis> the only real way to remove gnome would be to search out all the dependencies and remove them
[02:54] <ogra> eyequeue, not at all, they are important on upgrades
[02:54] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: they are useful for upgrades
[02:54] <queuetue> Quinn_Storm, Latest hoary update hosed gnome, and I'm blaming a few non-official apt repos I had.  I've uncommented them and want to take gnome back to "proper".
[02:54] <randabis> meta-package is the correct term, not pseudopackage
[02:54] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  he wants to remove and reinstall all of gnome
[02:54] <superted_> I've installed w32codecs but still can't play wav's here. What could be wrong?
[02:55] <queuetue> (i've *commented* them, I mean)
[02:55] <Quinn_Storm> queuetue: well remove the gtk libs, that'll take out gnome for sure, then install ubuntu-desktop
[02:55] <ogra> queuetue, remove libgnome... and install ubuntu-desktop
[02:55] <BockBilbo> randabis, but i remember that when i started using linux (debian) i removed kde removing the main package, on which the rest of kde packages deppended on
[02:55] <BockBilbo> isnt there a package in Gnome like that one?
[02:55] <eyequeue> randabis:  yeah, i was trying to start with fake package, move to pseudo, adn then to meta, not wanting to confuse
[02:55] <BockBilbo> libgnome ot smthing like that?
[02:55] <randabis> eyequeue, :)
[02:55] <ogra> yop
[02:56] <randabis> BockBilbo, possibly...
[02:56] <BockBilbo> apt-get --purge remove libgnome* ????
[02:57] <eyequeue> of course, remove gtk and you'll remove some nongnome things that won't come back with installing ubuntudesktop
[02:57] <BockBilbo> mmm
[02:57] <ogra> BockBilbo, no need to purge, remove will be enough
[02:57] <queuetue> eyequeue, like what?   (since its running now.)
[02:57] <BockBilbo> so queuetue better dont do that
[02:58] <eyequeue> any package that has a dependency on libgtk
[02:58] <queuetue> eyequeue, You're just assuming there are some then, you don't know about any specific issues...
[02:59] <eyequeue> purge is handy if you never want to see a trace of something again, but if reinstalling, his old configs will be good to leave on the machine
[02:59] <eyequeue> queuetue:  i have no clue what apps you have installed on your machine, just cautioning you not to lose things by accident
[02:59] <Quinn_Storm> queuetue: the gtk libs should be fine to remove if all you wanted was the original ubuntu install put back
[03:00] <BockBilbo> Quinn_Storm, you are right, i just asked in the gnome channel and thats what theyve told me
[03:00] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  that assumes he has no other gtk apps at all installed
[03:00] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: well from what he said he wanted to put it back at ubuntu default.  not to mention its not exactly hard to reinstall apps through apt
[03:00] <randabis> queuetue, you might save time by just backing everything up and reinstalling, but it is your call
[03:01] <Brazmetal> Is there any way, using nautilus, to call the terminal to prompt in the dir I'm working ?
[03:01] <Pizbit> Brazmetal: Yeah, a nautilus script
[03:01] <BockBilbo> randabis, that what i suggested him before. I had the same problem as him and thats what i did
[03:01] <ogra> Brazmetal, look in the wiki for nautilus scripts
[03:01] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  that implies he'd know which of the (hundred?) packages that get removed didn't show back up though
[03:01] <Brazmetal> ok, thnx
[03:02] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: if he knows about nonstandard repositories, he knows enough to know what apps he wants
[03:02] <randabis> BockBilbo, yeah, I think that's the best course of action
[03:02] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  um, no
[03:03] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  if i remove gtk, i lose probably 500 packages here.  no way would ubuntu-desktop put me close to that if reinstalled
[03:03] <randabis> of course, if you have a separate home partition like I do, you don't really have to worry about losing anything if you format your root partition
[03:03] <queuetue> randabis, except stuff in /var
[03:03] <randabis> true
[03:03] <queuetue> and /etc
[03:04] <eyequeue> and /opt and and
[03:04] <randabis> Yeah, I'd back those up if I had anything important
[03:04] <Brazmetal> ogra: whre exactly?
[03:04] <BockBilbo> queuetue, how long is your ubuntu installation?
[03:04] <queuetue> BockBilbo, How long?
[03:04] <BockBilbo> i mean, when did you install it?
[03:04] <bamiaux> hello
[03:04] <queuetue> A few weeks ago.
[03:04] <eyequeue> queuetue:  how many hours did you spend getting things the way you wanted them?
[03:04] <ogra> Brazmetal, there is a search funtion, search for nautilus and scripts, there is a huge list of scripts
[03:05] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, thats what i meant hehe
[03:05] <bamiaux> I'm new to ubuntu, and I don't manage to use gcc
[03:05] <randabis> of course, you could always make small logical partitions for those directories :p
[03:05] <Brazmetal> ok
[03:05] <queuetue> eyequeue, I'm constantly updating it.
[03:05] <eyequeue> queuetue:  if you lose all or most of it, would it be a tragedy?
[03:05] <bamiaux> synaptic tells me it is installed, but 'gcc' doesn't work in cli
[03:05] <ogra> bamiaux, have you installed build-essential ?
[03:05] <queuetue> eyequeue, No.
[03:05] <bamiaux> ogra, ok, I'll check that
[03:05] <BockBilbo> queuetue, so backup your documents
[03:05] <BockBilbo> and install hoary
[03:05] <ogra> bamiaux, thats all you need for compiling...
[03:05] <eyequeue> queuetue:  heh, why not reinstall fresh? :)  semi-kidding
[03:06] <firstknight> Hi, I try to make a script.... I want  when the user run my script... it add line : export PATH=$PATH:{output of pwd} to ~/.bash_profile... help me.....
[03:06] <bamiaux> i did install gcc stuff
[03:06] <bamiaux> but yes, it should work now, thanks
[03:06] <queuetue> BockBilbo, I do backup my home directory. :)
[03:07] <eyequeue> firstknight:  that's actualy considered a security risk, to put "." in your path
[03:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[03:07] <queuetue> ok, trying a gdm restart now...
[03:07] <eyequeue> firstknight:  i won't explain how to exploit it here in public, but i'll bet half the people here know how
[03:08] <firstknight> eyequeue, no....
[03:08] <AcidWolf> actually eyequeue thats one of the questions on wargamez ;)
[03:08] <BockBilbo> he quited
[03:08] <firstknight> eyequeue, I mean... $ cd /bla/bla/bla        $ ./myscript    so /bla/bla/bla is in the PATH
[03:09] <AcidWolf> lol
[03:10] <eyequeue> but you want all these extraneous directories permanently added to the user's path for life?
[03:11] <randabis> seems kinda silly to me
[03:12] <eyequeue> somehow i want to know who has execute perms for myscript, though i can't see why that matters to me
[03:13] <firstknight> eyequeue, I make a program called blabla.tar.gz.... user extract it into /opt... cd into the /opt/blablabla... compile the program... the binary is /opt/blablabla/bla.... the user run my script called install.sh.... /opt/blablabla is in the PATH... so the user can run bla from anywhere.... is that clear?
[03:13] <Pizbit> firstknight: Erm, ever heard of symlinks?
[03:14] <firstknight> anyway I got the answer: echo export PATH=$PATH:`pwd` >> ~/.bash_profile
[03:14] <eyequeue> i guess i've never been a fan of programs that personalize the path just for themselves, seems anti-unix to me
[03:14] <firstknight> Pizbit, heard it...
[03:14] <Pizbit> firstknight: Use symlinks, put them in /usr/local/bin :)
[03:14] <firstknight> Pizbit, ok....
[03:14] <ogra> firstknight, to install into /opt you need root permissions anyway, wh not making a smlink in /usr/bin (which is in the path anyway)
[03:14] <ogra> why even
[03:15] <Pizbit> ogra: /usr/local/bin for packages not installed via apt etc
[03:15] <eyequeue> don't make an environment variable exceed it's maximium length
[03:15] <ogra> Pizbit, good point ;)
[03:15] <eyequeue> ogra:  er, local, if it's not part of a deb
[03:15] <ogra> eyequeue, what Pizbit said
[03:15] <firstknight> ogra, /opt is just example... user can do it in /home/user/program
[03:16] <eyequeue> ogra:  yeah, i can't see the screen when typing
[03:16] <universal> can someone help me with nvidia driver in Hoary?
[03:17] <randabis> universal, sure
[03:17] <eyequeue> if the uid !=0 add the symlink to $HOME/bin, and check for that in $PATH perhaps
[03:17] <universal> randabis, hi
[03:18] <corza> Does anyone know if guildwars is going to be released for Linux?
[03:18] <ogra> firstknight, but changing ENV variables for users is considered worst practice .... i would try to find a way around that...
[03:18] <randabis> hello
[03:19] <eyequeue> i guess i strongly disapprove of any app modifying my system on me without permission, like corrupting my $PATH (which i might ave made close to max length for some reason)
[03:19] <firstknight> Too many symbolic links.... what's that mean??? I try to add symlink in /usr/local/bin
[03:19] <randabis> welcome tritium
[03:19] <tritium> Hi randabis :)
[03:19] <eyequeue> ogra:  thank you, stated better than i did
[03:19] <firstknight> added was okay, but cann't run it....
[03:19] <ogra> firstknight, you tried to symlink a symlink it seems....
[03:20] <firstknight> ogra, no... checked it with ls -la
[03:22] <firstknight> ogra, solved..... use ln not ln -s... dont know why
[03:22] <ogra> thats a hardlink
[03:22] <eyequeue> then that is no longer a symlink!
[03:22] <firstknight> don't know why hardlink is okay while symlink is not okay
[03:22] <KeithWeisshar> which debian installer is the hoary installer based on
[03:23] <calc> d-i
[03:23] <calc> debian-installer
[03:23] <KeithWeisshar> which version
[03:23] <universal> randabis, u there?
[03:23] <eyequeue> and it will break yur plans if the person has multiple partitions where you did not exect them! (my /usr/local is almost always by itself)
[03:23] <firstknight> I do this: ln -s myprogram /usr/local/bin/ ... then try to run it... got too many symlinks...  ln -s myprogram /usr/local/bin/ ... then try to run it... it is okay
[03:23] <firstknight> I mean ln myprogram /usr/local/bin for the second
[03:23] <randabis> universal, yes, I'm waiting for you to tell me what the problem is
[03:23] <firstknight> /usr/local/bin/
[03:24] <universal> randabis, ohh, he he
[03:24] <firstknight> hardlink is not evil right?????
[03:24] <corza> What is a good FTP program for Linux?
[03:24] <firstknight> gftp
[03:24] <eyequeue> hardlink can be evil, yes
[03:24] <stazz> corza: gftp, and nautilus can do it as well.
[03:24] <Pizbit> corza: gftp
[03:24] <randabis> corza, graphical or text
[03:24] <firstknight> eyequeue, why is that?
[03:24] <universal> randabis, i have tried to install the nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings and then enabling
[03:24] <corza> randabis: graphical
[03:25] <universal> randabis, but it seems like it doesent detect my card, as it is in slow rendering
[03:25] <randabis> corza, probably gftp for gtk
[03:25] <ogra> corza, nautilus
[03:25] <firstknight> kbear
[03:25] <eyequeue> firstknight:  try that if myprogram is not already on the /usr/local partition on any of my machines
[03:25] <randabis> firefox also has an ftp extension called fireFTP
[03:25] <eyequeue> firstknight:  symlinks can cross partitions, hardlinks can not
[03:26] <randabis> universal, does the nvidia logo pop up when you log in?
[03:26] <universal> randabis, no
[03:26] <randabis> universal, then the driver isn't installed
[03:26] <heman> to enable the driver
[03:26] <eyequeue> firstknight:  it is not uncommmmon at all for /usr/local to be a separate partition
[03:26] <universal> randabis, maybe i should try the "nvidia" instead of "nv"??
[03:26] <heman> you should write in a terminal this:
[03:26] <randabis> universal yes
[03:26] <tritium> universal, definitely
[03:27] <heman> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:27] <randabis> but really you should have just done "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[03:27] <ogra> universal, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <universal> randabis, ok, something else in xorg that i should change in the xorg config
[03:27] <universal> ?
[03:27] <eyequeue> firstknight:  but any time you refer to another directory, you have no guarantee that a given admin hasnt put it on another partiton
[03:28] <randabis> you shouldn't have even started editing xorg.conf yourself
[03:28] <firstknight> eyequeue, oh I c....
[03:28] <ogra> universal, if you edit your xorg.conf regard the warning at the top !
[03:28] <randabis> but yes, you should only need to change "nv" to "nvidia" and the new driver should work.
[03:29] <Pizbit> randabis: And make sure "glcore" and "dri" aren't set to load
[03:29] <universal> randabis, ok, ill try to op term and type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again
[03:29] <randabis> Pizbit, yeah
[03:29] <firstknight> eyequeue, so why in ubuntu we cann't make symlink??? Got this error when try to run the symlink: Too many levels of symbolic links
[03:29] <randabis> universal, that won't work since you've already edited xorg.conf
[03:29] <Quinn_Storm> firstknight: you're symlinking to a symlink
[03:30] <universal> randabis, ahh ok, then what?
[03:30] <ogra> universal, look at the top of your xorg.conf file...
[03:30] <randabis> if you edit xorg.conf, those nifty scripts for xorg.conf won't work
[03:30] <universal> ogra, ok
[03:30] <universal> ok
[03:30] <eyequeue> firstknight:  ls -l each of the items in your command, one of them is not a regular file
[03:30] <ogra> universal, there is written how to get it working again
[03:30] <randabis> you'll need to replace the xorg.conf with the original xorg.conf using md5sum
[03:31] <universal> but can i simply gedit /etc/X11/xorg.config and then change to "nvidia"?
[03:31] <Pizbit> firstknight: er, ln isn't a symlink, ln -s is
[03:31] <firstknight> eyequeue, I made a mistake... it should : ln  -s /bla/bla/bla/blabla /usr/bin/ not ln -s blabla /usr/bin/
[03:31] <Pizbit> universal: Yes
[03:31] <universal> Pizbit, ok nice
[03:31] <tritium> universal, you can, but then you'll change the md5sum, and you'll have to read the top of your xorg.conf
[03:32] <Pizbit> universal: And if there is a line saying: Load "GLcore" or Load "dri" remove them
[03:32] <eyequeue> firstknight:  /usr/local/bin btw
[03:32] <nmsa> good evening
[03:32] <azad> hm how to mount an usb-stick?
[03:32] <universal> tritium, and its not good when changing the mdd5sum?
[03:32] <universal> md5sum
[03:33] <ruffian> Hi: my desktop is running 1024 x 768 but my login screen is running on 1280 x 1024....Is it possible to make it all 1024 x 768?
[03:33] <tritium> universal, as randabis put it, handy tools like dpkg-reconfigure and nvidia-glx-config won't work if  the md5sum is not correct
[03:33] <Jesterace> heh i manually edit my xorg.conf all the time :P
[03:33] <Pizbit> tritium: Well, once you've edited it once you wont need to edit it again:)
[03:34] <universal> tritium, and were can i change the md5sum?
[03:34] <ogra> universal, debian systems create md5sums for config files....if the sum doesnt match anymore, your system knows you edited it and will respect this....
[03:34] <Pizbit> tritium: and dpkg-reconfigure *will* still work, your changes will just be undone
[03:34] <tritium> Pizbit, he may
[03:34] <ogra> Pizbit, nope
[03:34] <nmsa> did you know that you can get ubuntu CD's for free? including the shipment? cool thing. I wonder where ubuntu is getting the money from ... :|
[03:34] <StR34k> Morning
[03:34] <tritium> Pizbit, it won't work the way he expects it to
[03:34] <randabis> nmsa, canonical has deep pockets
[03:34] <nubbe> when I update ubuntu, it usually asks if I want keep the settings or use the packet managers (new) settings
[03:34] <Pizbit> nmsa: The really rich guy behind it?
[03:35] <Quinn_Storm> ruffian: try dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[03:35] <universal> ogra, so for now i can just gedit the xorg-config and change to "nvidia"..?
[03:35] <nmsa> happy me .. .I ordered 15 cd's including AMD and PPC for me & my future ubuntulinux friends :)
[03:35] <randabis> I got my free ubuntu cds a little while back. :) I'd already been using it for a while...I've got 20 hoary cds on order now :p
[03:35] <Pizbit> universal: Just make the changes, there's nothing to worry about:)
[03:35] <ogra> universal, i would follow the howto, rather the editing it manually
[03:36] <universal> ok
[03:36] <ogra> universal, since it will care for everything and the maintainer has put a good time of testing into this...
[03:36] <eyequeue> nmsa:  if you're really sure you'll use them all (installfests or the like) good for you
[03:36] <ska-fan> How do I do rpm -qf /foo/bar on debian?
[03:36] <tritium> universal, do you see the info at the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf regarding md5sums?
[03:37] <eyequeue> ska-fan:  apt-get install rpm, it's packaged
[03:37] <ruffian> Quinn_Storm: Just found the solution - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21719&highlight=login+resolution . But thanks anyway :)
[03:37] <ogra> Pizbit, until anything essential changes, yes...
[03:37] <zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu!
[03:37] <universal> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[03:37] <universal> #
[03:37] <universal> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[03:37] <universal> # values from the debconf database.
[03:37] <universal> #
[03:37] <universal> # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
[03:37] <universal> # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[03:37] <universal> #
[03:37] <universal> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[03:37] <ska-fan> eyequeue: I mean how to find out which package a file belongs to
[03:37] <tritium> universal, you don't have to paste it
[03:37] <universal> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
[03:37] <universal> # package.
[03:37] <zooko> I'm having trouble mounting an iso.  Behold: VMWA yumyum:~$ sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660  cd.iso  /mnt/iso
[03:37] <zooko> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[03:37] <universal> #
[03:37] <Quinn_Storm> universal: please don't paste in this channel
[03:37] <universal> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[03:37] <universal> # again, run the following commands:
[03:37] <universal> #
[03:37] <universal> #   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[03:37] <universal> #   sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[03:37] <apokryphos> universal: please don't flood the channel; use a pastebin service.
[03:37] <universal> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:37] <eyequeue> ska-fan:  dpkg -S filename  with or without path
[03:37] <universal> ups
[03:37] <universal> damn
[03:37] <universal> sorry
[03:37] <nmsa> speaking about AMD, anyone has a AMD arch running ubuntu? I really wish some advice here.
[03:37] <universal> guys
[03:37] <ogra> Pizbit, which is likely to happen after you forgot about it ;)
[03:37] <ska-fan> eyequeue: thanks
[03:37] <eyequeue> np
[03:37] <zooko> I'm running Athlon64.
[03:38] <mjr> nmsa, if you mean amd64, yes
[03:38] <zooko> But I can't mount an iso.  :-)
[03:38] <Pizbit> ogra: *shrug* It looks exactly the same as the config file I had 2 years ago:)
[03:38] <randabis> nmsa, I'm running an athlon xp 3200+
[03:38] <universal> tritium, does it say something about the md5sum?
[03:38] <nmsa> eyequeue: I am goig to give them to my friends in the office ... maybe from 10 one or two will use them, try them ...
[03:38] <tritium> universal, yes, you can even see that it does in what you pasted above ;)
[03:39] <ogra> Pizbit, there are very essential changes (options are not allowed to have "" for example anymore) and you loose every automatic helper tool through that
[03:39] <tritium> hi Xappe
[03:39] <pepsi> shhhh
[03:39] <ska-fan> I can't get RealPlayer 10 to run on ubuntu
[03:39] <pepsi> oops
[03:39] <universal> tritium, ok, so when i have changed something in the conf. then i just have to cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[03:39] <universal> #   sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[03:39] <universal> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:39] <Xappe> hello tritium
[03:39] <eyequeue> nmsa:  yeah, i'm all behind evangelical installs and things, give it the right talk-up and you may get better percentages than you expect :)
[03:39] <pepsi> ouch
[03:39] <Pizbit> ogra: If X breaks I'll know how to sort it out, it's really no big deal:)
[03:40] <ogra> universal, yup
[03:40] <tritium> :)
[03:40] <universal> ogra, nice
[03:40] <tritium> universal, you got it, buddy ;)
[03:40] <universal> nice
[03:40] <ogra> Pizbit, _you_ know it.... but do nice helper tools we will probably write know it ?
[03:40] <eyequeue> ska-fan:  did you follow the instructions on ubuntuguide?
[03:41] <Pizbit> ogra: Do I care?:)
[03:41] <ogra> Pizbit, dunno, you may loose comfort :)
[03:41] <tritium> Pizbit, we care for the users' sake
[03:41] <pepsi> how do i make characters such as  and  look right in a small monospace font.. is the problem that those characters arent in the font or something?
[03:41] <eyequeue> ska-fan:  i ask since those worked wel for me
[03:42] <ska-fan> eyequeue: Yes
[03:42] <nmsa> eyequeue: I will try, for sure, I am seen as the linux guy in the office, even if my linux meands using it, checking diff distro & other simple stuff like that; I wish to have more time & develop something (or depper learning too) ...
[03:42] <Pizbit> ogra: Most helper tools tend to get over the fact the config is a tad different
[03:42] <Pizbit> If my changes are the same as what a helper tool would do, where is the harm?
[03:42] <ogra> Pizbit, the nes i write alwas respect user changes
[03:43] <AcidWolf> anyone here using warty on PPC i need a copy of someone using PPC sources.list
[03:43] <ogra> ones even
[03:43] <eyequeue> nmsa:  if you;ve got the time to be their support guy for the initial period that helps their fear a lot too
[03:43] <ogra> Pizbit, and i wont look deeper in the file if you changed it
[03:43] <Pizbit> tritium: Ahh, but half the time I'm abusing not usin :D
[03:43] <nmsa> eyequeue: you are right, I have to think like this ...
[03:43] <corza> Pizbit: if i get something like Codeweavers do u reckon it will let me play Guildwars/
[03:44] <Pizbit> corza: No idea
[03:44] <eyequeue> ska-fan:  i reall don't know what to say, we on the same platform?
[03:44] <ska-fan> i386
[03:44] <corza> Do games work on emulators such as Codeweavers?
[03:44] <eyequeue> ditto
[03:44] <ska-fan> I start it and nothing happens
[03:44] <Pizbit> ogra: Do the helper tools for installing the nvidia drivers and enabling it in xorg.conf allow you to use it to put in extra nvidia options?
[03:45] <Pizbit> corza: You're not meaning Cedaga are you?
[03:45] <eyequeue> nmsa:  i've got a great grandmother thrilled about ubuntu, both hw it works and the philosophy
[03:45] <bitsmash> hi
[03:45] <bitsmash> anyone know how to put nautilus on the desktop with xfce4?
[03:46] <eyequeue> nmsa:  i spent a while playing cheerleader, but really there's been almost no handholding beyond the first day or two
[03:46] <corza> Pizbit: umm well I have "Codeweavers" but i left it at my brothers place
[03:46] <Quinn_Storm> bitsmash: can't you just run nautilus and have it show up?
[03:46] <ogra> Pizbit, nope, its a helper for users to just get it running, but it may automatically determine the perfect settings for you in the future.... which you wont see if you edited the file...
[03:46] <corza> Pizbit: but Cedaga might be the same sorta thing?
[03:46] <bitsmash> Quinn_Storm: somethings wrong though...the theres no home etc
[03:46] <Pizbit> ogra: Right, so if I used this helper app I'd have an unstable system, not what I want :)
[03:46] <Quinn_Storm> bitsmash: well you can probably add symlinks and stuff for that
[03:46] <corza> Pizbit: does um Ubuntu have something like ctrl+alt+delete where i can kill processes?
[03:47] <ogra> Pizbit, i havet seen getting any system unstable by using it
[03:47] <Pizbit> corza: Er, try loading up gnome-system-manager
[03:47] <ogra> Pizbit, its just not optimized
[03:47] <ska-fan> monitor
[03:47] <Xappe> corza: system monitor, or top in a terminal
[03:47] <eyequeue> corza:  rebooting to kill a process?  yow, just use kill
[03:47] <corza> Xappe: thanks :P
[03:47] <nmsa> eyequeue: I have started also in the family, my wife's pc is running linux, mkd, but soon I will change to ubuntu ... she feels taht win neer existed ... :)
[03:47] <eyequeue> :)
[03:48] <Pizbit> ogra: The nvidia drivers for some time(Some nvidia bug) had to have NvAgp set to 0 to work properly else my system would lockup when using my tvcard
[03:48] <ogra> Pizbit, on a _stable_ ubuntu ??
[03:49] <Pizbit> ogra: Admitedly I was using the official nvidia package but I'm sure I tried both
[03:49] <ogra> Pizbit, i doubt that, but on hoary which still is in flux for nearly two weeks this might happen and should get reported so we can fix the package
[03:49] <Pizbit> Had it before with plain ol' debian too heh
[03:50] <syn-ack> Heh, I've finnaly gotten the ATI binary driver working correctly
[03:50] <Pizbit> ogra: 6629+ don't have this problem(maybe the version prior to thise too but I forget)
[03:50] <eyequeue> yeah, everyone file any bugs as soon as possible, so they have as much time to perfect hoary as can be, it's nine days away!
[03:50] <Pizbit> ogra: Oh yeah, is the problem with the 7167 version of the NVIDIA drivers and firefox known?
[03:51] <ogra> Pizbit, did you report it ?
[03:51] <eyequeue> less probably, considering i'm sure there's a day or so of bureuocracy
[03:51] <Pizbit> ogra: It's on the nvidia forums and I only came across it recently and it was due to an ubuntu package
[03:51] <corza> Pizbit: is Cedaga any good?
[03:51] <tarquin> is there a list somewhere of the packages installed by default with warty?
[03:51] <ogra> Pizbit, errm, we dont use 7167, so its pointless...
[03:52] <Pizbit> corza: Apparently, never tried it.
[03:52] <Pizbit> ogra: *shrug* I didn't know which ubuntu used.
[03:52] <zooko> Has anyone here mounted an iso image via loop device?
[03:52] <ogra> Pizbit, apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-sourc
[03:52] <ogra> e
[03:52] <Pizbit> Ah, 6629
[03:53] <ogra> yop
[03:53] <Pizbit> ogra: This the thread http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=47502
[03:53] <eyequeue> tarquin:  yes, i''ve seen the url mentioned, but i sure can't recall it
[03:53] <Pizbit> Something to keep in mind should 7167 be looked at
[03:53] <bitsmash> is warty new packages?
[03:53] <tarquin> I'm trying to install packages offline, so i'm in dependency hell :(
[03:53] <ruffian> later
[03:54] <eyequeue> tarquin:  i can look up a specific Depends: line if that will help
[03:54] <tarquin> yes please! I need to install pppoe  -- are its dependencies in?
[03:54] <ogra> Pizbit, the guy talks about a selfcompiled kernel *shrug*
[03:54] <eyequeue> bitsmash:  warty is the current stable release, no changes other than security happen to stable.  came out in october
[03:54] <zooko> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18517
[03:54] <zooko> ^-- this answers my questin
[03:54] <Pizbit> ogra: There's more than one post there:P and that's a irrelevent
[03:54] <zooko> modules aren't configured by default to support loop
[03:55] <ogra> Pizbit, our kernel currently has more then 30 patches included which are there for a reason
[03:55] <Pizbit> ogra: Using the nvidia 7167 package and fx1.0.1 from mozilla.org I hit this problem too
[03:55] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about hp jetdirect?
[03:55] <eyequeue> zooko:  do we just need a modprobe?  or is a kernel recompile necessary? :(
[03:56] <zooko> modprobe did it
[03:56] <eyequeue> okay, that's a relief here
[03:56] <zooko> I have a self-compiled kernel, so I might have caused the problem myself, although I'm using the same kernel config as standard ubuntu.
[03:56] <ogra> Pizbit, the mozilla package in ubuntu is patched too....all packages we build are tested extensively against the other _packages_ not against any tgz installer...
[03:56] <zooko> Oh, but I didn't do the "kernel capabilities" bit.
[03:56] <zooko> So it's probably my fault.
[03:56] <eyequeue> i want to be able to loop-mount encrypted fs's
[03:57] <eyequeue> just have not yet done so on this laptop
[03:57] <bitsmash> how come nautilus doesnt look right
[03:57] <ogra> Pizbit, if soumeone choose the non standard way, he's on his own
[03:57] <mercurus> eyequeue, all the necessary kernel modules are available in the stock Ubuntu kernels for loopback encrypted fses
[03:57] <Pizbit> ogra: *shrug* If a problem with a set of nvidia drivers is going to be ignored then so be it, just let me say "I told you so." if/when it happens?:)
[03:57] <eyequeue> mercurus:  beautiful, thanks
[03:58] <eyequeue> mercurus:  tried it successfully yet?
[03:58] <ogra> Pizbit, if we will use 7167 driver once (which i doubt) it will work with the other packages in ubuntu
[03:58] <projectmayhem> hello al
[03:58] <projectmayhem> all*
[03:58] <mercurus> eyequeue, not on Warty no ... but loop is there, and all the encryption styles are modules ...
[03:58] <projectmayhem> anyone know if I can apt-get the qt library?
[03:58] <mercurus> projectmayhem, you can ... from universe ... if you really want it.
[03:59] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  definitely, what is the package name?
[03:59] <ogra> projectmayhem, install libqt3c102-mt
[03:59] <projectmayhem> mercurus its for an app i wanna use, thanks ogra
[03:59] <mercurus> k3b ?
[03:59] <jcotellese> I have a question re: automatic updates. If I have my own deb repositories in the list, will the auto update source it? I only want the auto update to suggest updates for core ubuntu packages. Is this possible?
[03:59] <ogra> projectmayhem, then also the -dev package....
[03:59] <eyequeue> mercurus:  you can even apt-get that, and the lib comes free of hassle, heh
[03:59] <tarquin> eyequeue: is ppp in the warty install?
[03:59] <ogra> projectmayhem, (if you want to compile the app against qt)
[04:00] <mercurus> jcotellese, how are you auto-updating ?
[04:00] <projectmayhem> ogra yeah, i have to build it from source
[04:00] <kjoonlee> projectmayhem: Um, excuse me, but are you from #hydrogenaudio?
[04:00] <eyequeue> tarquin:  oh man, i'd like to say of course, but it's been years since i checked for it
[04:00] <jcotellese> mercurus: The little Icon in the GNOME task bar that indicates updates are available.
[04:00] <projectmayhem> kjoonlee no i am not, i've been on the #fedora channel before though
[04:00] <mercurus> jcotellese, ooh ... Hoary ?
[04:00] <jcotellese> mercurus: I should clarify, Hoary.
[04:01] <kjoonlee> projectmayhem: Oh.. sorry :) I just thought you were someone else..
[04:01] <jcotellese> mercurus: Sorry.
[04:01] <projectmayhem> sorry bud
[04:01] <Corvus> mercurus, get from apt-get update-manager
[04:01] <mercurus> jcotellese, ah ... my suggestion would be to look at the configuration for that applet
[04:01] <eyequeue> tarquin:  okay, it's on my box, and i sure didn't do it specifically, i'm fairly certain it's considered base
[04:01] <tarquin> thanks :)
[04:01] <mercurus> you should be able to limit which repositories are updated
[04:01] <Corvus> it doesn't install when updating from warty to hoary, but it is in the preview install
[04:01] <projectmayhem> ogra for the -dev package can i apt-get that too?
[04:01] <eyequeue> Section: base
[04:02] <ogra> projectmayhem, sure :)
[04:02] <mercurus> jcotellese: if possible, create a new sources.list file with only core ubuntu sources in it
[04:02] <ogra> projectmayhem, use synaptic, it has nice search functions
[04:02] <mercurus> Corvus, cheers ... btw, how big is Warty -> Hoary update download ?
[04:02] <projectmayhem> ogra great idea... thanks!
[04:03] <mercurus> jcotellese, and point auto-update to that sources file ...
[04:03] <jcotellese> mercurus: Ok, I thought it would be handy if you could set preferences on individual repositories to restrict them so only authorized repositories were queried for suggested updates.
[04:03] <eyequeue> mercurus:  if you installed 3 packages on warty, much smaller than if you installed 300 :)
[04:03] <mercurus> jcotellese, good suggestions .,. submit it to the gnome-applets maintainer ... he's a good bloke :)
[04:03] <nmsa> someone knows if there is a command like HP-UX print_manifest in ubuntu? make a sumary of hw conf
[04:04] <nmsa> in a text file
[04:04] <mercurus> eyequeue, yeah ... I'm loking down the barrel of a 300MB downlaod on ... 128kbs isdn ...
[04:04] <jcotellese> mercurus: Ok, thanks.
[04:04] <mercurus> eyequeue, but I'll probably wait until official release date ...
[04:04] <eyequeue> mercurus:  yeah rather than refetch a few dozen of those
[04:04] <tarquin> bye. thanks :)
[04:05] <mercurus> eyequeue, exactly ...
[04:05] <mercurus> if I had a decent connection I'd be keen to do testing ... but alas, until September I'm trapped on ISDN
[04:06] <eyequeue> mercurus:  btw, apt-get -d dist-upgrade at night, and ^C in the morning, until done.  then take the -d out to actuall babysit the install
[04:07] <mercurus> eyequeue, need a desktop machine on plus this desktop to access the 'net ... it is possible ... but others in this house have a nasty habit of turning happily running computers off :9
[04:07] <projectmayhem> whoa i've never used kynaptic/synaptic before now... its so.... easy!! i love it :-D
[04:08] <ogra> :)
[04:08] <eyequeue> mercurus:  power the monitor off and hope they don't notice, heh
[04:08] <mercurus> unlikely ... still let's see how big this d/l is ...
[04:08] <nobbi> hi projectmayham
[04:08] <projectmayhem> hi nobbi
[04:08] <projectmayhem> nobbi do i know you?
[04:09] <nobbi> i have a question cause you like synaptic ...
[04:09] <Pizbit> Heh, the only screenshot I found in google images turned out to be a 404 :0
[04:09] <projectmayhem> haha ok, i just have used it a few times...
[04:10] <corza> Pizbit: i'm downloading Cedega now :)
[04:10] <nobbi> when will get the new programs when i update the whole offers of update resources in my menue structure ? 1000thanks for a hint
[04:10] <shmoolik> hello :)
[04:10] <corza> Pizbit: read some reviews sounds like its good.. where u from anyway?
[04:10] <corza> ah new zealander ur up late lol
[04:10] <Pizbit> Wellington, New Zealand, the one and only place in the world to be.
[04:10] <shmoolik> did any of ya secceded to activate a WEBCAM on UBUNTU ?
[04:11] <mercurus> urgh ... totem-gstreamer ...
[04:11] <projectmayhem> nobbi if you added programs they should just be there when you restart gnome
[04:11] <Pizbit> Everywhere else is in inpolite-word :D
[04:11] <firstknight> has canonical made profit from ubuntu????
[04:11] <corza> Pizbit: lol see how our Cowboys whooped up your 'Warriors'?
[04:11] <projectmayhem> fistknight i doubt it its free software
[04:11] <Pizbit> corza: Oooooh, rugby? meh
[04:11] <corza> Pizbit: You are meaning to say YOU DONT FOLLOW NRL???
[04:12] <Pizbit> Not at all
[04:12] <n3x> hoary on a Asus M6BNe - anyone ?
[04:12] <corza> Pizbit: thats ashame..
[04:12] <Pizbit> Not really.
[04:12] <projectmayhem> hey corza...  are you actually paying for cedega??
[04:12] <eyequeue> firstknight:  i'd guess the opposite,  shipping for free etc
[04:12] <corza> projectmayhem: nah Limewire :)
[04:12] <projectmayhem> reaaaaally? i'll have to look that one up ;)
[04:12] <projectmayhem> god bless the internet :)
[04:13] <corza> projectmayhem: yeah i was on cedegas site about to buy it and then i went and searched it onto limewire and it came up and i closed the browser lol
[04:13] <nobbi> aha how to restart gnome ? you see i am coming from the windows universe and a little bit frigthent of the linux world ..
[04:13] <projectmayhem> lol nice
[04:13] <projectmayhem> nobbi its ok
[04:13] <corza> was a good save lol
[04:13] <Pizbit> nobbi: Logout then login again
[04:13] <projectmayhem> just ctrl + alt+backspace
[04:13] <eyequeue> nobbi:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:13] <Pizbit> corza: Cedega doesn't cost that much
[04:14] <projectmayhem> pizbit yeah it does... who has 15 bucks to spend on linux software?? not me
[04:14] <mercurus> what _is_ Cedega ?
[04:14] <eyequeue> nobbi:  wait, how drastic do you need?  why a restart?
[04:14] <projectmayhem> game emulator
[04:14] <Pizbit> mercurus: Heard of winex?
[04:14] <stazz> mercurus: it's a wine-fork involving improved directx support
[04:14] <nobbi> aha ! i am learning ... tried several linuxes but ubuntu is the absolute superstar cause of quick start and finding hardware
[04:14] <eyequeue> mercurus:  wine variant i'm told
[04:14] <OrionUser> hi guys
[04:14] <mercurus> Pizbit, ah ... pass.
[04:14] <nubbe> nobbi, check ubuntuguide.org, it's great
[04:14] <Pizbit> mercurus: Heard of wine?:)
[04:14] <OrionUser> God bless you all!
[04:14] <firstknight> nobbi, but if fail on laptop battery support....
[04:15] <projectmayhem> nobbi definitely ubuntuguide is where its at
[04:15] <Pizbit> OrionUser: Which god? Assuming there is one.
[04:15] <mercurus> Pizbit, chateaux cardboard !
[04:15] <projectmayhem> corza what is this fontinstaller thing??
[04:15] <Pizbit> mercurus: Basically it's an extremely modified wine which concentrates on running games, specifically directx games
[04:15] <corza> projectmayhem: which font installer?
[04:15] <tritium> What's up OrionUser?
[04:15] <corza> Pizbit: it may not cost much but i am very cheap :)
[04:15] <projectmayhem> "transgaming-fontinstaller-i386
[04:16] <projectmayhem> or something like that
[04:16] <corza> Pizbit: and i'm a teenager lol
[04:16] <projectmayhem> corza haha me too!! don't hate on the poor teens here
[04:16] <corza> projectmayhem: umm i dont know? lol
[04:16] <OrionUser> nothin much tritium
[04:16] <Dr_Acemaster> what's the wildcard to select all files in current dir? is it just *?
[04:16] <OrionUser> how about you
[04:16] <mercurus> Pizbit, yeah ... not my cup of tea ... that said ... if I had the money to own hardware that supported 3d games, and paid top dollar for new games, $15 isn't much to get them running on Linux
[04:16] <eyequeue> and teenagers have no discretionary cash? lol
[04:16] <tritium> OrionUser, same old ;)
[04:16] <corza> eyequeue: i have cash i'm saving for a car...
[04:17] <OrionUser> ;)
[04:17] <corza> eyequeue: speaking of which i have to get up at 8.30 tomorrow god damn managers make us work all holidays
[04:17] <nobbi> aha ! linux seems to be simple and friendly but one cant see it .. is an update from actually 4.1 to 5.08 possible via synaptic ?
[04:17] <projectmayhem> eyequeue its not having the discretionary cash, its the willingness to SPEND the discretionary cash on anything but music and video games...
[04:17] <projectmayhem> corza it could be worse i have school tomorrow
[04:17] <eyequeue> corza:  good, and i'm not picking on teens btw, just find they ave less money typically, but more they're free to spend
[04:17] <corza> projectmayhem.. u spend ur cash on music??
[04:17] <tritium> nobbi, yes, with some changes ot your sources.list
[04:17] <tritium> to
[04:17] <projectmayhem> corza haha only in windows
[04:17] <corza> projectmayhem i sure as hell dont thats why i have p2p haha
[04:17] <projectmayhem> corza yeah hey  i just got limewire like... 2 days ago
[04:18] <OrionUser> hey tritum, are you an ubuntu user?
[04:18] <tritium> OrionUser, absolutely
[04:18] <corza> projectmayhem: i got limewire pro :)
[04:18] <corza> its much better
[04:18] <projectmayhem> corza again with the paying for stuff!!
[04:18] <OrionUser> I want to swith from Mandrake to Ubuntu because of ugly fontsd under Mandrake that can't be fixed
[04:18] <corza> projectmayhem: me pay??
[04:18] <corza> hahah thats a joke!!
[04:18] <corza> :D
[04:18] <projectmayhem> corza how??
[04:18] <OrionUser> Ubuntu is ok with fonts?
[04:18] <mercurus> can you download limewiere pro from limewire ?
[04:18] <corza> projectmayhem: would u like me to send u it
[04:18] <Quinn_Storm>  defoma is nice.
[04:18] <tritium> OrionUser, yes, it sure is.
[04:19] <projectmayhem> corza hehehe will i get caught??
[04:19] <corza> mercurus: possible but i didnt coz i couldnt find it
[04:19] <stazz> OrionUser: the fonts should be the same
[04:19] <OrionUser> thanks
[04:19] <nobbi> aha but my firefox of ubuntu 4.1 wont still update to 1.02 - and its necessary ces of security ..
[04:19] <projectmayhem> corza where'd you find it?
[04:19] <mercurus> lol, the irony
[04:19] <tritium> OrionUser, in about 2-3 weeks, a new stable version will be released.
[04:19] <OrionUser> Anyone using Technisat DVB SkyStar2 under Ubuntu?
[04:19] <corza> projectmayhem: a friend who has a friend has a server lol
[04:19] <projectmayhem> ahhh
[04:19] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, where are you from?
[04:19] <eyequeue> SeeleyUSMC:  back to where?
[04:19] <flyingsquirrel54> how do I download a package with apt without installing it?
[04:19] <corza> projectmayhem: if i still have the file i'll give u it
[04:20] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  -d
[04:20] <foznot> When Gnome loads for me, the first thing I see is two errors, (1)you must run this program as the root user (2)missing command to run..how do I find out what is causing the errors?
[04:20] <projectmayhem> corza thanks :)
[04:20] <flyingsquirrel54> apt-get -d pkgname ??
[04:20] <corza> projectmayhem: haha i put it in a backup folder ur so lucky
[04:20] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, apt-get install -d
[04:20] <Quinn_Storm> flyingsquirrel54: apt-get -d install packagename
[04:20] <OrionUser> thanks Tritium
[04:20] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  apt-get -d install foo
[04:20] <SeeleyUSMC> I just got back from Mesa, Arizona where my uncle lives and I'm back in Twentynine Palms, CA now
[04:20] <flyingsquirrel54> and to install later?
[04:21] <tritium> just apt-get install it later
[04:21] <corza> projectmayhem: i'm not too sure if it tells u how to install it though i think its a tarbell or something..
[04:21] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54: dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:21] <tritium> it'll already be in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:21] <corza> project: are u getting my request?
[04:21] <tritium> so no download will be necessary
[04:21] <projectmayhem> corza no
[04:21] <nobbi> aha but my firefox of ubuntu 4.1 wont still update to 1.02 - and its necessary ces of security ..
[04:21] <corza> got msn?
[04:21] <corza> slash gaim
[04:21] <projectmayhem> corza gaim
[04:22] <eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  apt-get source foo will get you the source btw, in your current directory rather than /var/cache/apt/archives/ though
[04:22] <nmsa> zooko, do you mean that with Athlon64 you can't mount ISO ? loop mount ?
[04:22] <projectmayhem> SwimFlugel12
[04:22] <corza> projectmayhem, yeah do u have an msn passport?
[04:22] <projectmayhem> on AIM
[04:22] <projectmayhem> corza no msn
[04:22] <corza> ur american arent u lol
[04:22] <tritium> eyequeue, but I don't think he wants source
[04:22] <kev0r> How to enable SSh after a fresh install of ubuntu?
[04:22] <projectmayhem> corza lol yeah sadly
[04:22] <Fackamato> kev0r: sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:22] <corza> lol all americans use AIM and Australians use MSN
[04:22] <Fackamato> iirc
[04:22] <corza> its like woah
[04:22] <eyequeue> tritium:  no, hence the btw, just being thorough
[04:22] <nobbi> projectmayham but my firefox of ubuntu 4.1 wont still update to 1.02 - ces of security ..okay itisnt in the list
[04:22] <OrionUser> by the way, do girls use Linux in general or even Ubuntu?
[04:23] <corza> lol umm just wait i'll upload it to my webspace for ya
[04:23] <Quinn_Storm> OrionUser: I do
[04:23] <eyequeue> kev0r:  client or server or both?
[04:23] <kev0r> server
[04:23] <SeeleyUSMC> OrionUser, I know a few ladies that use Linux
[04:23] <eyequeue> kev0r:  sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:23] <bogus-> I know one that uses gentoo :P
[04:23] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, it doesn't matter if it's in /var/cache/apt/archives.  All you have to do is apt-get install, and no download will be necessary, since it's already there
[04:23] <kev0r> ok thanks
[04:24] <eyequeue> OrionUser:  i've installed it for a great grandmother
[04:24] <yaxu144a> girls tend to use slackware, but women are more inclined to use debian
[04:24] <tritium> OrionUser, my wife does.
[04:24] <projectmayhem> nobbi, you can get the update online from mozilla.org
[04:24] <nmsa> OrionUser: I know one too
[04:24] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks for the package help!
[04:24] <stazz> wives don't count :p
[04:24] <OrionUser> heh Quinn_Storm obviously
[04:24] <OrionUser> :)
[04:24] <OrionUser> lol stazz
[04:24] <stazz> bogus-: no, you don't.
[04:24] <bogus-> native mIRC
[04:24] <corza> projectmayhem: k its uploading
[04:24] <bogus-> yes I do :D
[04:25] <projectmayhem> hmm... now i've got cedega... but how do i get 3d support for my ATI graphics card??
[04:25] <nmsa> why not? my wife uses linux and counts a lot for me!
[04:25] <projectmayhem> k thx corza
[04:25] <Quinn_Storm> OrionUser: and yes I do mean that I am of the female persuasion :-P
[04:25] <eyequeue> bogus-:  because you like the licensing? or the commercial nature of it? or the source code?
[04:25] <corza> did u get that in pm?
[04:25] <nubbe> how do I forceupdate the mime-types?
[04:25] <bogus-> because I like the program :)
[04:25] <yaxu144a> projectmayhem: is 3d support not working automatically?
[04:25] <projectmayhem> yaxu is it ever? nope :(
[04:26] <pascual> hi all I have some problems compiling and booting a new kernel
[04:26] <nobbi> projectmayhem .. i tried but without success it seems no to be possible to install -- nothing functioned to install apt-get install ... tried all files of the package
[04:26] <tritium> stazz, wives count
[04:26] <yaxu144a> projectmayhem: which card?
[04:26] <jagnet> anyone with broadcom wireless chip?
[04:26] <projectmayhem> "Radeon 9700 TX"
[04:26] <projectmayhem> its the equivalent of a 9500 pro i guess...
[04:26] <projectmayhem> or so all the operating systems tell me
[04:26] <flyingsquirrel54> the compueter on which i need to install the package doesn't have internet access...
[04:26] <bogus-> TX?
[04:26] <pascual> any kernel compiler here?
[04:26] <projectmayhem> bogus it came with my dell
[04:27] <Albacker> how can I make a file, so it can be edited by the user and not ROOT !?
[04:27] <exalted> hi there. how can i start a second x server, and login from there?
[04:27] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  honestly, i found slack to be very good at forcing me to learn linux, but the word force is in there
[04:27] <Albacker> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1966080 Nov 17  2005 fbdesk-1.2.1.tar
[04:27] <Pizbit> exalted: gdmflexiserver
[04:27] <pascual> exalted
[04:27] <flyingsquirrel54> when I copy it to the new comp is there a certain place i should put the .deb? if so why?
[04:27] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: exactly, I learned linux w/ slack then started -using- linux with debian, hehe
[04:27] <exalted> pascual, yeah?
[04:27] <exalted> Pizbit, ??
[04:27] <Pizbit> exalted: Or rather: Applications -> System Tools -> New Login
[04:27] <yaxu144a> projectmayhem: maybe this will help http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:27] <pascual> startx -- :1 -xf86config XF86Config-4.whatever
[04:28] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, you can put it anywhere you want, but you will want to use dpkg -i <package> to install it in that case
[04:28] <eyequeue> Albacker:  to say "root can't do something" isn't going to happen on linux
[04:28] <pascual> in VT 2
[04:28] <pascual> then you get the 2nd x
[04:28] <pascual> at CTRL+ALT+F8
[04:28] <Pizbit> pascual: Why not just use the menu entry?:)
[04:28] <exalted> pascual, thx so much
[04:28] <flyingsquirrel54> thought so. thanks.
[04:28] <exalted> Pizbit, thx also fine.
[04:28] <yaxu144a> Quinn_Storm: i was joking when i said girls use slackware and women use debian, but maybe it's true ;)
[04:28] <pascual> any kernel compile help here?
[04:28] <exalted> Pizbit, thx
[04:28] <nobbi> projectmayhem .. i tried but without success it seems no to be possible to install -- nothing functioned to install apt-get install ... tried all files of the package
[04:29] <Quinn_Storm> yaxu144a: lol, maybe ^-^
[04:29] <Albacker> ayequeue, I want that file to be edited by the USER TOO @!!!!
[04:29] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  lol, would you call yourself a girl back then
[04:29] <Albacker> eyequeue ***
[04:29] <pascual> need help on kernel compiling
[04:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know how to access Emacs?
[04:29] <projectmayhem> nobbi, doesn't seem like i can help you at this point, maybe ask some of the more knowledgeable users here...
[04:29] <eyequeue> Albacker:  ahhh, chown usernamehere filename
[04:29] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: yeah, pretty much
[04:29] <tritium> nobbi, do you have the warty-security repo in your sources.list?
[04:30] <exalted> Pizbit, pascual, and then to kill that session?
[04:30] <yaxu144a> Quinn_Storm: i think most people used slackware in the old days though?
[04:30] <pascual> just exit
[04:30] <eyequeue> Albacker:  how did it end up being root-owned.  don't act as root except when really needed
[04:30] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, from the command line, or menu?
[04:30] <exalted> pascual, thx
[04:30] <Pizbit> exalted: Just logout of it, if you still see a login screen click 'exit'
[04:30] <pascual> i need some help on compiling
[04:30] <exalted> Pizbit, thx
[04:30] <Albacker> eyequeue, when I created the folder I was root.
[04:30] <Quinn_Storm> yaxu144a: well debian was around but yeah a lot of people did use slack.  it was nice and easy to d/l over a dialup connection
[04:30] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, it should be under Applications->Accessories
[04:30] <eyequeue> um, "the old days?"  slackware dind't exist in "the old days"
[04:30] <yaxu144a> eyequeue: oh here we go ;)
[04:30] <tritium> eyequeue, I used Slackware in 1993
[04:31] <pascual> having problems to compile custom kernel 2.6.10
[04:31] <nobbi> projectmayhem okay thank you very much ... is ubuntu really secure ... remembering bugzilla.. is a firewall really integrated ? where can i find it ?
[04:31] <yaxu144a> let the sausage competition begin
[04:31] <eyequeue> tritium:  i guess i can't see that as old, heh
[04:31] <Albacker> thanks eyequeue
[04:31] <SeeleyUSMC> tritium, heh, thought I had installed it earlier but I never did lol
[04:31] <tritium> eyequeue, linux only goes back so far
[04:31] <eyequeue> Albacker:  np
[04:31] <projectmayhem> nobbi, thats on ubuntuguide
[04:31] <eyequeue> tritium:  exactly
[04:31] <pascual> anyone has compiled a custom kernel with ubuntu?
[04:31] <projectmayhem> "how to install firewall application (firestarter)" or something like that
[04:32] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, okay.  You okay to install it?  (package is emacs21)
[04:32] <mercurus> pascual, yep
[04:32] <projectmayhem> pascual thats way past me....
[04:32] <pascual> mercurus
[04:32] <eyequeue> tritium:  and yggdrasil sure doen't count since no one could spell it to go find it, heh
[04:32] <pascual> can you give me some help
[04:32] <mercurus> 830 upgraded, 163 newly installed, 20 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:32] <mercurus> Need to get 508MB of archives.
[04:32] <mercurus> After unpacking 192MB of additional disk space will be used.
[04:32] <mercurus> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
[04:32] <mercurus> ouch.
[04:32] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  explained on the ubuntuguide page, along with many other good things, well worth looking there
[04:33] <pascual> mercurus, projectmayhem can you help me for a while?
[04:33] <SeeleyUSMC> tritium, got it
[04:33] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, outstanding ;)
[04:33] <membreya> gah ... can't remember the command..what's the way to find out what connections are currently open..is it netstat?
[04:33] <zooko> Hm, after adding the "kernel capabilities thingie" as per the wiki page, I still get:
[04:34] <eyequeue> membreya:  you lied, you remembered, heh
[04:34] <zooko> VMWA yumyum:~$ sudo mount cd.iso mnt -o loop
[04:34] <zooko> Password:
[04:34] <zooko> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[04:34] <zooko> VMWA yumyum:~$ sudo modprobe loop
[04:34] <tritium> membreya, ifconfig is always handy
[04:34] <zooko> VMWA yumyum:~$ sudo mount cd.iso mnt -o loop
[04:34] <membreya> tritium: I want to find out what port MSN is connected to
[04:34] <SeeleyUSMC> tritium, I'm going to try and learn C programming.  I know a little in PHP, but figured that if I wanted to start to understand Linux a little better and ever hoped to help with the Linux community, I'd better learn something a little more useful.
[04:34] <membreya> lol eyequeue :P
[04:34] <tritium> membreya, oh, not ifconfig then ;)
[04:34] <zooko> In other words, for some reason on my system loop back doesn't get autoloaded.
[04:34] <mercurus> zooko, mount -o loop /cd.iso /mnt/tmp
[04:34] <membreya> no tritium not ifconfig :P
[04:34] <zooko> I saw a page where another user mentioned the same problem.
[04:35] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, that's great!  Good luck.  I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
[04:35] <membreya> oh .. i forget
[04:35] <tiil> zooko: -o loop=/dev/loop/0?
[04:35] <vixus> gcc or g++?
[04:35] <zooko> VMWA yumyum:~$ sudo mount -o loop ./cd.iso /mnt/tmp
[04:35] <zooko> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[04:35] <vixus> I dunno which to choose.
[04:35] <trygvebw> both
[04:35] <zooko> VMWA yumyum:~$ sudo mount -o loop=/dev/loop/0 ./cd.iso /mnt/tmp
[04:35] <vixus> ok...
[04:35] <zooko> /dev/loop/0: No such file or directory
[04:35] <mercurus> zooko, hmm ... icky.
[04:35] <trygvebw> build-essentials !!!
[04:36] <zooko> But if I "modprobe loop", then everything works
[04:36] <eyequeue> vixus:  c or c++?
[04:36] <trygvebw> vixus: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[04:36] <vixus> c++ probably.
[04:36] <tiil> funny, I have that with standard hoary kernel
[04:36] <vixus> trygvebw: Oh, thanks.
[04:36] <tritium> vixus, build-essential, with no trailing "s"
[04:36] <zooko> Except vmware doesn't work to boot from the cd image, but that might be a problem with vmware.
[04:36] <eyequeue> vixus:  then you run the lqtter, but install all the rest of everything you need all at once, use the command they mentioned
[04:37] <vixus> Yeah, got that.
[04:37] <membreya> you still haven't answered my question tritium :P
[04:37] <tritium> membreya, what question?  Did you address it to me?
[04:37] <eyequeue> vixus:  one thing, you'll want the -dev of various lib packages, so you'll get the headers, to build.  common problem for new compilers
[04:38] <vixus> eyequeue: I'll do that as I go along... I'm a programming newb.
[04:38] <membreya> tritium: you became involved in the conversation with your ifconfig comment.. I want to figure out what port MSN is connected on
[04:38] <eyequeue> vixus:  i figured that, so i figured id spare you some common hairpulling
[04:38] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[04:38] <csj> hello, I want to remove postfix --purge, but it said:
[04:39] <csj> fatal: gethostbyname: No such file or directory                 [fail] 
[04:39] <csj> so, how to remove postfix ?
[04:39] <keyhack> How the heck do I disable the system speaker from beeping and booping at every friggen error? I want things muted for a reason
[04:39] <vixus> eyequeue: I've had experience compiling things I've needed so... I basically just read the errors for missing libs, then download them =D
[04:39] <tritium> membreya, I don't know the best way to do it, but one way is to use ethereal
[04:39] <finch_fan> hey will ubuntu work on a PII
[04:39] <trygvebw> yes
[04:39] <keyhack> apparently KDE doesn't care about the speaker volume settings
[04:39] <trygvebw> if it has more than 128 megs of ram
[04:39] <membreya> tritium: is that akin to iptraf? :P
[04:39] <membreya> oh wait
[04:39] <membreya> I know ethereal
[04:40] <membreya> from windows dayz :P
[04:40] <tritium> don't know.  I don't deal much in networking
[04:40] <crimsun> if you're already connected to MSN, why not just look at the output of ,,netstat -nt''?
[04:40] <membreya> tritium: silly stand alone people :P
[04:40] <finch_fan> back in the p2 days didn tthey send comps out with like 5 megs of ram
[04:40] <finch_fan> lol
[04:40] <membreya> crimsun: thankyou ! :P
[04:40] <membreya> it's more to block it on a router level for anything but my IP
[04:40] <tritium> membreya, I'm not standalone, but simple networking is all I need
[04:41] <keyhack> membreya: 1863 during the login process
[04:41] <BockBilbo> byeee
[04:41] <eyequeue> 128k, 128k, 128k, 128k, oops, no more room
[04:41] <crimsun> if your user is running the program that's connected to MSN, ,,netstat -ntp'' is probably more helpful
[04:41] <keyhack> membreya: but the protocol eventually tells you what server/port to connect on
[04:41] <keyhack> so it can vary
[04:41] <membreya> dangf
[04:41] <mercurus> keyhack, alsamixer & mute system speaker
[04:41] <finch_fan> whats the os with the lowest requirements
[04:41] <vixus> eyequeue: Anyway, I can never get into programming, no time... and can't decide on how to learn.
[04:42] <trygvebw> you should learn python :D
[04:42] <keyhack> mercurus: I did
[04:42] <keyhack> mercurus: "PC Speaker [off] "
[04:42] <eyequeue> vixus:  python is apparently popular in ubuntu, and you can also apt-get install diveintopython
[04:42] <kotatsu> woohoo! clearlooks 0.5
[04:42] <mercurus> keyhack, pull the plug in the system case ?
[04:42] <kotatsu> *finally*
[04:43] <keyhack> mercurus: laptop.
[04:43] <ericb2> hi
[04:43] <KBJ> does anybody know of a good program to convert between mp3, ogg and wav?
[04:43] <kotatsu> KBJ: gstreamer
[04:43] <kotatsu> KBJ: specifically, gst-launch-0.8
[04:43] <KBJ> kotatsu: sounds good, but how? :)
[04:43] <finch_fan> i like lyoris
[04:43] <vixus> eyequeue: what is diveintopython?
[04:43] <mercurus> keyhack, bugger.
[04:43] <eyequeue> vixus:  but pick something you can enjoy early, rather than something that's work, you'll stick to it better
[04:43] <kotatsu> KBJ: $ man gst-launch-0.8 =)
[04:43] <membreya> keyhack: AFAIK it connects via 1863 then reverts to 80 ....if I block both them I
[04:43] <membreya> 'm
[04:43] <membreya> safe
[04:43] <keyhack> mercurus: I wouldn't need to reboot for some reason right?
[04:43] <eyequeue> vixus:  great book, free as a package
[04:43] <KBJ> kotatsu: i was trying that, but i couldn't seem to get it to convert from mp3 to wav
[04:43] <mercurus> keyhack, lol, no.
[04:43] <keyhack> membreya: well, not necessarily
[04:43] <kotatsu> KBJ: it explains the process (including examples) far better than I could
[04:44] <keyhack> membreya: you can connect to the MSN login server on multiple ports
[04:44] <keyhack> membreya: your better off blocking by IP
[04:44] <vixus> Any irrlicht mappers here? (Lame question I know.)
[04:44] <KBJ> kotatsu: i tried this: gst-launch-0.8 filesrc=13982.mp3 ! mad ! waveenc ! filesink location=test.wav
[04:44] <keyhack> membreya: block "messenger.hotmail.com" and they wont be able to authenticate
[04:44] <KBJ> i think it didn't like the waveenc
[04:44] <keyhack> mercurus: well this is garbage
[04:44] <KBJ> i also tried wavenc... but i don't which one to put there
[04:44] <kotatsu> KBJ: it will probably be something like um... $ gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=file.mp3 ! spider ! vorbisenc ! filesink location=file.ogg
[04:45] <membreya> keyhack: well I've put a rule to block address of * :P
[04:45] <KBJ> but i want wav as output
[04:45] <tritium> KBJ, take a look at sox
[04:45] <mercurus> keyhack, aye ... what's the sound chipset ?
[04:45] <kotatsu> KBJ: did that give you any errors?
[04:45] <laxise> hey
[04:45] <kotatsu> KBJ: looks right to me, let me test it
[04:45] <keyhack> Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[04:45] <laxise> anyone here having gaim????
[04:45] <mercurus> keyhack, are system beeps being processed through ALSA or OSS, or both ..?
[04:46] <KBJ> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: Unrecoverable syntax error
[04:46] <keyhack> mercurus: how am I supposed to know? lol
[04:46] <tritium> laxise, as in using gaim?
[04:46] <eyequeue> membreya:  just block 6667, um, oops
[04:46] <mercurus> hmm ... I'll fire up my centrino laptop
[04:46] <laxise> tritium: yes
[04:46] <tritium> yes, I am
[04:46] <laxise> tritium: can you do me a favour???
[04:46] <membreya> eyequeue: 6667....that would block my IRC access :P
[04:46] <tritium> laxise, perhaps.  What is it?
[04:46] <keyhack> laxise: #gaim
[04:46] <mercurus> keyhack, I've not had any problems with the pc speaker
[04:46] <kotatsu> KBJ: try using spider instead of mad
[04:46] <eyequeue> membreya:  what? i can't hear you any more
[04:47] <mercurus> keyhack: IBM Thinkpad T42
[04:47] <keyhack> mercurus: well... that doesn't help me any
[04:47] <laxise> tritium: pls connect to gaim and i'll give you my ICQ number ... i just wanna try out if everything is working
[04:47] <keyhack> mercurus: for some reason its not muted, although alsamixer says it is
[04:47] <KBJ> kotatsu: still doesn't work
[04:47] <tritium> laxise, I don't use ICQ, though
[04:47] <thenuke> hey! Suggest me an software for burning mp3 into an audio cd
[04:47] <vixus> I need a map editor! =[
[04:47] <thenuke> k3b does not work
[04:47] <crimsun> KBJ: you're missing a location for filesrc
[04:47] <Keizer> Ubuntu 4 life
[04:47] <laxise> tritium: ah
[04:47] <mercurus> keyhack, if GNOME is up, is it muted in the OSS panel of gnome-mixer ?
[04:47] <kotatsu> KBJ: yeah, odd it's bailing out for me too for some reason
[04:47] <laxise> tritium: :(
[04:47] <Keizer> Ubuntu has rawked my b0x0rs
[04:47] <tritium> laxise, sorry
[04:47] <eyequeue> keyhack:  warty or hoary?
[04:47] <keyhack> mercurus: I'm running KDE at the moment
[04:47] <keyhack> eyequeue: hoary
[04:47] <Albacker> Guys, can I install the gnome, of UBUNTU to debian progeny [since they are .deb]  ???
[04:47] <crimsun> KBJ: both filesrc and filesink take location params
[04:48] <randabis> ubuntu rocks, kubuntu rolls :)
[04:48] <laxise> tritium: doesnt matter :)
[04:48] <kotatsu> KBJ: oh yeah, oops... it's not filesrc=, it's filesrc location=
[04:48] <KBJ> got it!
[04:48] <membreya> with entering your username and password..is there any number of attempts before it locks it out
[04:48] <KBJ> haha
[04:48] <membreya> or will it just keep letting you try
[04:48] <KBJ> stupid small things!
[04:48] <kotatsu> hehe
[04:48] <keyhack> mercurus: how do I run the oss mixer by hand?
[04:48] <eyequeue> keyhack:  i hear hory is more esd oriented than alsa, but can't quote specifics, see if that might be it (and i know nothing of kde)
[04:48] <OrionUser> when will Ubuntu ship, guys?
[04:48] <KBJ> thx alot guys... now i'm gonna get wicked ringtones on my phone! :)
[04:49] <kotatsu> I'm still scratching my head over how to convert an avi to an mpeg... I can play it back just fine, but I'm not sure how to mux the streams back into an mpeg file again
[04:49] <thingy> membreya: fyi look at /etc/login.defs
[04:49] <OrionUser> I can't wait to get my fingers on it
[04:49] <randabis> hoary uses polypaudio actually I thought..not esd
[04:49] <keyhack> eyequeue: I know nothing about sound either
[04:49] <membreya> eyequeue: AFAIK hoary was more towards ALSA...especially since ESD doesn't exist :P
[04:49] <eyequeue> OrionUser:  hoary release date is 6 april
[04:49] <thingy> membreya: you get three failed attempts and then a big long delay
[04:49] <Albacker> Guys, can I install the gnome, of UBUNTU to debian progeny [since they are .deb]  ???
[04:49] <Albacker> ??
[04:49] <OrionUser> thanks eyeque
[04:49] <tritium> membreya, esd does exist
[04:49] <crimsun> randabis: it was reverted to esd due to a number of issues
[04:49] <OrionUser> eyequeue*
[04:49] <eyequeue> membreya:  well, here on hory, i had to change things to esd, since alsa didn't work, go figure
[04:49] <randabis> crimsun, ah, I see. I've been out of the loop as of late :/
[04:49] <Keizer> I can't believe I got my ath0 wireless to work.
[04:50] <mercurus> keyhack, it should all be accessible through alsamixer ...
[04:50] <keyhack> mercurus: then someone frigged up somewhere
[04:50] <tritium> membreya, why are you wondering about MSN ports anyway?
[04:50] <keyhack> mercurus: because everything is muted, and it's still beeps
[04:50] <randabis> I don't use a sound server anyway...straight alsa for me
[04:50] <mercurus> I am running debian on my laptop ... and I have no PC speaker muting option in OSS or ALSA ...
[04:50] <mercurus> running 2.6.11.2
[04:50] <mirak> hi
[04:50] <mercurus> which tends to indicate that the driver doesn't support PC Speaker muting ...
[04:50] <membreya> tritium: to block access to others in the house
[04:51] <membreya> that are connected to the LAN
[04:51] <Quinn_Away[Showe> mercurus: try just turning the PC speaker all the way down
[04:51] <mercurus> so why isn't mine beeping profusely ...
[04:51] <OrionUser> hey, btw does anyone know if it's possible to audio/video conf through MSN
[04:51] <tritium> membreya, I see.
[04:51] <crimsun> keyhack: have you tried disabling system sound events completely?
[04:51] <tritium> OrionUser, yes, with gnomemeeting
[04:51] <keyhack> crimsun: I did in KDE
[04:51] <keyhack> Sound System -> "Enable the sound system" unchecked
[04:51] <mirak> I want to force gnome to mount my removable USB devices as SYNCHRONOUS only, how can I do that ? It seems gnome volume manager put large devices on async by default
[04:51] <OrionUser> it connects with MSN users under Windows?
[04:51] <tritium> OrionUser, although I'm not sure about the MSN part, but you can videoconference using H.323
[04:51] <OrionUser> both audio/video tritium
[04:51] <OrionUser> ?
[04:52] <mercurus> Quinn_Away: no mixer option, and muting hardware side mutes everything
[04:52] <keyhack> OrionUser: MSN does support webcam
[04:52] <thingy> mercurus: xset -b (disables the bell in X)
[04:52] <tritium> OrionUser, yes.  It works with NetMeeting
[04:52] <OrionUser> yeah, thx for info tritium
[04:52] <tritium> OrionUser, yeah.  I don't believe it works with MSN
[04:52] <OrionUser> yeah I know MSN supports it
[04:52] <OrionUser> but wanted to talk from Linux
[04:52] <OrionUser> to Windows MSN users both with cam and mic
[04:52] <keyhack> there is no Linux client that supports webcam afaik
[04:53] <thingy> mercurus: "set bell-style visible" in ~/.bashrc to disable bells on the console (if youre using bash)
[04:53] <KBJ> does anybody know of any webcam that works with ubuntu? i have a creative webcam nx, but i can't get it to work...
[04:53] <foznot> after gnome starts I get two errors (1)missing command to run (2)you must run this program as the root user....how do I find out what is causing these errors?
[04:53] <tritium> gaim-vv is supposed to
[04:53] <membreya> KBJ: have you googled it
[04:53] <membreya> tritium: gaim-vv DOES work ..but good luck compiling it
[04:53] <mercurus> thingy, cheers ... I don't have any issue ... keyhack is looking for answers ...
[04:53] <randabis> keyhack, there is a client that supports experimental webcam
[04:53] <keyhack> well, gaim-vv is a fork
[04:53] <nmsa> how can I capture video from a camcorder in Linux ?
[04:53] <randabis> I forgot the name of it
[04:53] <keyhack> well
[04:53] <keyhack> mine will soon enough
[04:53] <KBJ> membreya: of course... :) but there was one driver, i couldn't get access to the CVS and the non-CVS didn't work
[04:53] <crimsun> mirak: you can place the entry in /etc/fstab for the removable device
[04:54] <keyhack> so I'm not concerned
[04:54] <thingy> keyhack: re. your beep problem :-) http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Visual-Bell.html
[04:54] <OrionUser> i'll try it tritium
[04:54] <crimsun> mirak: just make sure you explicitly specify sync in the parameter field
[04:54] <Keizer> Hmmmm
[04:54] <Keizer> I got a lex command not found when generating config file in PHP
[04:54] <tritium> OrionUser, if you feel like testing with me, let me know
[04:54] <Keizer> Also got a bison error
[04:54] <busca> nmsa: I want the answer to that question too !
[04:55] <mirak> crimsun: problem is that it's not dynamical
[04:55] <tritium> nmsa, do you have a video capture card?
[04:55] <keyhack> thingy: that is just for consoles
[04:55] <OrionUser> heh thanks tritum
[04:55] <OrionUser> for help
[04:55] <keyhack> thingy: I am having the problem when OpenOffice displays an error box
[04:55] <tritium> sure
[04:55] <ren0> hello. has anybody here used qemu?
[04:55] <tritium> ren0, yes
[04:55] <keyhack> thingy: it'll beep each time, and it sucks when its stuck in a loop, or you have to click through 20 error boxes
[04:55] <crimsun> mirak: if it's not dynamic, that's even better
[04:56] <OrionUser> my cam won't work under Linux
[04:56] <nmsa> tritium: no, but in win I use IEEE1394 and I can do fine there ...
[04:56] <thingy> nmsa/busca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2792
[04:56] <thingy> keyhack: type in "xset -b" and you won't get any bells in X
[04:56] <ren0> tritium I have a dvd-rom from Linux Format magazine with suse on it....
[04:56] <membreya> nmsa: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FireWireIEEE1394ILink
[04:57] <membreya> erm
[04:57] <membreya> nvm nmsa :P
[04:57] <membreya> run out of bandwidth ..so I'm down to 28k
[04:57] <ren0> I have done qemu-img create hdd.img 3000M and that worked fine
[04:57] <keyhack> thingy: how can I set that permanently?
[04:57] <eyequeue> speaking of stuck in a loop, this has happened a couple of times, but i'd like to know why.  log out of gdm, it goes to the login screen, but keps looping back to some sound file over and over (and not the drum prompt sound either)
[04:57] <eyequeue> sound familiar to anyone?
[04:57] <crimsun> does it only loop on that sound?
[04:58] <lamont> csj: around still?
[04:58] <eyequeue> crimsun, yeah, i gave up and rebooted, and it of course stopped when alsa shut down
[04:58] <ren0> Then I tried qemu -hda hdd.img -cdrom suse.iso -boot d but that "warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation qemu: could not open hard disk image 'suse.iso'"
[04:58] <eyequeue> crimsun:  the thing is, i can't reliably duplicate it
[04:58] <mirak> crimsun: not if you plug something else on this device
[04:59] <ren0> I am following along from an article in linux magazine but obviously something isn't right.
[04:59] <Keizer> OMFG apt-get pwns
[04:59] <mirak> crimsun: I know the device will be mounted on /media/H300, but the /dev/ device might change
[04:59] <mirak> according to what is pluggued or not
[04:59] <eyequeue> crimsun:  hoary and only in the past day or so, if that is a factor
[04:59] <mirak> crimsun: if you have a good solution
[04:59] <tritium> Keizer, there is no package named pwns ;)
[04:59] <crypticreign> hmm segmentation fault when i try to start openoffice
[05:00] <nmsa> membreya: nvm= never mind ? why ?
[05:00] <thingy> keyhack: if you use xdm/kdm/gdm then the best place to but the xset -b command is in the..hang on let me confirm the location
[05:00] <crimsun> mirak: why not just use pmount ?  It uses sync by default.
[05:00] <DanC> hmm... I just did a dist-upgrade to get a hoary box current and lost madwifi support.
[05:00] <ren0> Do I need to copy the DVD and turn it into an iso on the HD?
[05:00] <grogoreo> hi
[05:00] <eyequeue> DanC:  dist- is scary, did you watch what it did?
[05:01] <DanC> well, sorta. it downloaded a lot of packages and installed them
[05:01] <membreya> nmsa: nvm does mean nevermind ...and I said that because I gave you a bad link :)
[05:01] <eyequeue> DanC:  dist- can also delete things you were not expecting, might it have?
[05:01] <DanC> does apt/dpkg keep a log? I have looked for one lots of times without luck
[05:01] <crimsun> DanC: no.  aptitude does, however.
[05:02] <nmsa> membreya: seems a good one ... I'll check it up to the end.
[05:02] <crimsun> DanC: make sure the new linux-image-foo and linux-restricted-modules-foo were installed
[05:02] <eyequeue> DanC:  no, but i recently ran aptitude and discovered it does
[05:03] <mirak> crimsun: problem is that gvm get in the way when I hotplug
[05:03] <Albacker> GUYS, can I install gnome, of UBUNTU CD to debian progeny ?
[05:03] <mirak> I must unmount then remount with pmount
[05:03] <crimsun> Albacker: if you change your /etc/apt/sources.list according and update, then dist-upgrade, yes
[05:03] <crimsun> mirak: that's correct
[05:03] <mirak> I was just searching something more practical
[05:03] <DanC> I think linux-image-foo was installed bu tno linux-restricted-modules-foo... I guess I'll have to do a dance with a USB flash disk and this other machine to get the restricted-modules package to the machine
[05:03] <nmsa> If I'll get mu camcorder on IEEE then how do I get the data from my cam ? and then how to compress it ? and the how do I make a DVD from it ...  how about adding menus to my dvd? lots of questions ... I know and hope I'll find a answer soon :)
[05:03] <grogoreo> I have a file called file_deb.tar.gz and when I firstly try and open it up in Archive Manager it says: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated   tar: Unexpected EOF in archive  tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now and dpkg wont work either
[05:03] <tritium> Albacker, we can't recommend that, as it could have undesired consequences.
[05:03] <eyequeue> Albacker:  how about "maybe?"  you're allowed to, but i doubt anyone here knows if it would work
[05:03] <Albacker> crimsun, I meant with dpkg -i /cdrom/ubuntu/package.deb
[05:04] <crimsun> Albacker: that way madness lies
[05:04] <Albacker> why ?
[05:04] <crimsun> Albacker: if you wish to resolve dependencies manually, go for it
[05:04] <grogoreo> also is there a way to make a tarball or RPM into a DEB file?
[05:05] <eyequeue> grogoreo:  /usr/bin/alien
[05:05] <projectmayhem> hey anyone here familiar with getting 3d acceleration working on an ATI card?
[05:05] <thingy> grogoreo: check the type of the file first...type in "file filename.tar.gz" and tell us what it says
[05:05] <Albacker> crimsun, I wanted this because I use dial up and have the debian without gnome CD and ubuntu CD
[05:05] <projectmayhem> i need to modify a kernel module but i can't get it to open in a text editor... which means i'm even more clueless than i thought :-/
[05:06] <crimsun> Albacker: but you _do_ have the ubuntu cd?
[05:06] <Albacker> crimsun yes. .
[05:06] <tritium> grogoreo, alient won't work if the tarball is source, though
[05:06] <tritium> alien even
[05:06] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  probably you have the compiled binary module
[05:06] <projectmayhem> eyequeue thats something to the extent of what gedit told me
[05:07] <matthias> hello can someone plz be so kind and give me feedback on that submission
[05:07] <matthias> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22375
[05:07] <crimsun> Albacker: oh, that's different.  Use apt-cdrom to configure /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:07] <grogoreo> thingy: file_deb.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix
[05:07] <crimsun> Albacker: then update && dist-upgrade
[05:07] <Albacker> ok . .
[05:07] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  ends in .o or .ko, no go gedit, ends in .c, gedit likes you
[05:07] <projectmayhem> eyequeue its .ko
[05:08] <projectmayhem> how do i edit it?
[05:08] <grogoreo> will alien work with RPM files?
[05:08] <thingy> grogoreo: then type in gunzip file_deb.tar.gz and then do a "file file_dev.tar" and tell us what it says now
[05:08] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  compiled binary
[05:08] <projectmayhem> grogoreo yeah
[05:08] <projectmayhem> eyequeue yeah...just run "compiled binary nvidia.ko" or something?
[05:08] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  you don't, you find the source code it came from, eidit that how you like, and compile that into a new .ko
[05:08] <projectmayhem> oooh
[05:09] <grogoreo> thingy: file_deb.tar: POSIX tar archive
[05:09] <projectmayhem> hm..... do you know where i can find the source code?
[05:09] <thingy> grogoreo: then tar tvf file_dev.tar will show you a file listing of the contents of that tar ball
[05:09] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:   offhand, not really, but i can give you a neighborhood
[05:09] <projectmayhem> eyequeue thanks
[05:09] <thingy> grogoreo: to expand the contents into the current dir, you do a tar xvf file_deb.tar
[05:10] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:   your favorite ubuntu mirror, under /ubuntu/pool/restricted or similar, use a browser
[05:10] <folta> hey guys, i'm trying to set up a digital tv card, but it's been misidentified
[05:10] <grogoreo> thingy: THANK YOU! I can now open it up in Archive Mabager, and thank you everyone else who has helped me!
[05:10] <folta> i have a nova-t from hauppage and it recognizes as a winfast 2000 xp
[05:10] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  start at /ubuntu/poll and do the rest manually
[05:11] <keyhack> What is the best way to remove all of KDE and Gnome
[05:11] <mirak> volume.policy.mount_option.sync, where do I find this kind of key ?
[05:11] <keyhack> I want to convert over to xfce4
[05:11] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  pool
[05:11] <keyhack> and want to remove all the unnecessary packages
[05:11] <projectmayhem> thx eyequeue
[05:11] <keyhack> there seems to be no way other than selecting each package by hand
[05:11] <eyequeue> np
[05:11] <thingy> keyhack: are you willing to reinstall?
[05:11] <ren0> What is the correct syntax for installing another linux os from a dvd using qemu?
[05:11] <folta> does anyone know how to install the card correctly?
[05:11] <thingy> keyhack: if so then do a server install of ubuntu
[05:11] <thingy> keyhack: its as clean/minimal as you can get...then you can start adding packages you want
[05:11] <keyhack> thingy: meh... I want to avoid reinstalling if I can
[05:12] <prophet-> hello ppl, i just did a dist-upgrade from warty to hoary, but now when i try to log into gdm the computer just freeze. maybe something with the gdm.conf file -i really dont know-. Maybe could be a conflict between XFree (warty) and Xorg (hoary)? or XFree is auto-removed ? ;o any ideas? ;\ <3
[05:12] <thingy> keyhack: its the most elegant way...the alternative is manually removing packages :-(
[05:12] <MaRk-I> hi all
[05:12] <crimsun> prophet-: yes, XFree86 is removed and X.Org, installed
[05:12] <prophet-> k
[05:12] <prophet-> what could be then? ;\
[05:12] <crimsun> prophet-: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for starters
[05:12] <randabis> assuming your dist-upgrade actually finished all the way
[05:12] <keyhack> thingy: grrr...
[05:13] <eyequeue> keyhack:  a risky way acceptable?
[05:13] <MaRk-I> installed ubuntu recongized eth0 and all but cant connect  any ideas??
[05:13] <keyhack> eyequeue: As long as I don't run my /home partition, I kept /home separated for a reason
[05:13] <nmsa> what does it mean: Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages [2181kB]  refreshing packages from this depot ?
[05:13] <keyhack> eyequeue: thingy I want to avoid re-formatting if I can, but I will if I have to
[05:13] <prophet-> k, i mean, gdm starts fine, but when i type-in the user/pwd it just freeze ;o
[05:13] <keyhack> thingy: Where is this "server" install you speak of?
[05:13] <thingy> MaRk-I: priv. msg the contents of ifconfig -a
[05:13] <crimsun> nmsa: it means it's downloading the package list in compressed format
[05:13] <thingy> keyhack: when you boot up from the ubuntu cd, just type in server and hit enter
[05:14] <nmsa> crimsun: thank you
[05:14] <eyequeue> keyhack:  remove key libraries of each, such as qt and gtk, you'll lose many apps you dind't want to lose, but per-user conffiles will remain in /home if you know which apps to reinstall
[05:14] <MaRk-I> thingy: errr I wish I could I'm on mdk right now...
[05:15] <folta> do i need to do a kernel patch to install dvb support?
[05:15] <keyhack> thingy: hmm ok
[05:15] <eyequeue> keyhack:  i don't recommend it, but it may be a way to avoid a reinstall, just make note off which apps go away on paper?
[05:15] <crimsun> folta: not that I'm aware
[05:16] <keyhack> eyequeue: a coworker has a ubuntu CD already
[05:16] <keyhack> eyequeue: I'm going to just reformat my / partition
[05:16] <crimsun> folta: which model?
[05:16] <nmsa> question: apt-get update is updating the kernel too ? or how do I update my kernel ?
[05:16] <thingy> MaRk-I: well mark you first need to test that you can ping your gateway/or another computer on your network. I.e. if your computer is 192.168.0.2 and you have a router at 192.168.0.1 then ping it and if that works then try pinging an ip address directly e.g.68.142.226.44 (yahoo.com) and if that works then its your /etc/resolv.conf that needs attention, else your network settings need attention.
[05:16] <eyequeue> keyhack:  home is separate?
[05:16] <keyhack> eyequeue: yeah
[05:17] <crimsun> nmsa: update only refreshes the listings.  The actual packages are downloaded via upgrade or dist-upgrade
[05:17] <MaRk-I> thingy: I pinged several.. i.e www.google.com and got replies
[05:17] <eyequeue> keyhack:  beware of losing /var/lib/mysql or any other data too
[05:17] <thingy> MaRk-I: and so you have a working connection then...whats the problem?
[05:17] <nmsa> crimsun: man, I am learning every day somethign new ! :)
[05:18] <prophet-> hey, where do i have to add the nvidia module so it's loaded at boot ;o ?
[05:18] <MaRk-I> lets say I try to surf with firefox and it will just hang there trying to open a page
[05:18] <crimsun> prophet-: it should do that automatically.
[05:18] <MaRk-I> or xchat..... just hangs there connecting....
[05:18] <prophet-> hmm
[05:18] <eyequeue> keyhack: or /var/mail may be important for some (just cp it into their home temporarily)
[05:18] <folta> crimsun, it's a hauppage nova-t card, i typed lsmod and i didn't see anything dvb associated in there, which is why i think i may have to
[05:18] <keyhack> eyequeue: yeah, I'm aware, just /home is all I need
[05:18] <keyhack> eyequeue: I did this from FC3 to Ubuntu w/o problems
[05:18] <crimsun> folta: does it use the bttv chipset?
[05:19] <eyequeue> cool
[05:19] <randabis> prophet-, /etc/modules
[05:19] <thingy> MaRk-I: i need details of any error/messages that occur when you say hangs it could mean anything. can you give more information
[05:19] <prophet-> k
[05:19] <randabis> but it "should" do it automatically
[05:20] <pepsi> im trying to umount /mount but i cant cause `lsof | grep /mount` tells me "gam_serve  7733      pepsi   73r      DIR      22,65    4096    2861601 /mount/.Trash-pepsi"
[05:20] <MaRk-I> is there a way to retrieve them through mdk?? dual boot
[05:20] <keyhack> eyequeue: thingy thanks for the help, so when the CD is bootin, type "server" right?
[05:20] <thingy> keyhack: right...hit the functions keys for some help if you want
[05:20] <prophet-> yaeh, well it did that with warty but then i upgraded to hoary and now i had problems starting X
[05:20] <crimsun> pepsi: so kill that pid
[05:20] <folta> crimsun, checking...
[05:20] <prophet-> then i saw that the module wasnt loaded ;o
[05:20] <eyequeue> keyhack:  right, though press the various f keys to see other options for future reference (we don't install often, heh)
[05:21] <thingy> MaRk-I: well you could try and access the .xsession-error logs and dcc those...they might contain a message or two
[05:21] <MaRk-I> lemme check... thanks thingy
[05:21] <randabis> prophet-, you might need to reinstall nvidia-glx because hoary uses a newer kernel than warty
[05:21] <keyhack> eyequeue: heh, cool
[05:21] <crimsun> pepsi: in the future, ,,lsof /mount'' :)
[05:21] <pepsi> crimsun, oh :)
[05:22] <prophet-> how do reinstall?
[05:22] <prophet-> apt-get install nvidia-glx just says that its already installed with the latest version ;o
[05:22] <thingy> MaRk-I: the .xsession-errors file will be in your home directory btw.
[05:22] <eyequeue> prophet-:  apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx
[05:22] <prophet-> im not really used to apt :$, i come from gentoo ;o
[05:23] <prophet-> thx ;)
[05:23] <MaRk-I> ok thanks
[05:23] <pepsi> crimsun, whenever i kill it, it comes back
[05:23] <ren0> Do you need to be sudo to use qemu in ubuntu?
[05:23] <crimsun> pepsi: you should be able to umount it immediately after gam_server is killed
[05:24] <Seq> does anybody know why i get bad signatures pretty much every other time i sync?
[05:24] <thingy> Seq: did you add repositories to your apt sources?
[05:25] <folta> crimsun, Conexant cx2388x  seems to be the chipset
[05:25] <thingy> Seq: if so then you need to import the gpg keys for the entity that signed the packages in those repositories...such the ubuntu wiki/forums for a howto
[05:25] <thingy> swap/such/search
[05:25] <Seq> theine: all i've got is archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com , both for hoary
[05:25] <Seq> thingy: ^^
[05:26] <MaRk-I> hhmmm gonna have to reboot... brb
[05:26] <Seq> thingy: if i sync again, no signature warnings. its not every other time, but its about 50% on average
[05:26] <pseudo> Hey, quick question, what preogram does Ubuntu use during installation to configure xorg automagically?
[05:26] <MaRk-I> thingy: thanks
[05:26] <Lefungus> hello
[05:26] <thingy> Seq: do an apt-get update
[05:26] <crypticreign> hmm, even after i apt-get remove and then reinstall open office i still get segmentation fault
[05:26] <pseudo> For some reason installation did not detect my ATI Radeon card.
[05:27] <Lefungus> I'm very disapointed to see that ubuntu doesn't support musepack out-of-box :(
[05:27] <Seq> thingy: i update every few days. this has been happening for a few weeks i think
[05:27] <pseudo> And Xorg will not start due to a "screens not found" error.
[05:27] <pseudo> but when checking the config the screens are there/
[05:27] <thingy> Seq: ok what was the error messages you get? and confirm that you get this in synaptic?
[05:27] <eyequeue> what does mousepack do?
[05:28] <mirak> crimsun: I have found what I needed, it's in /etc/hal/fdi/ubuntu-storage-policy.fdi
[05:28] <Lefungus> it is an audio codec
[05:28] <Seq> thingy: i get it using the update manager wizard thing and `apt-get update`
[05:28] <Lefungus> bsd license
[05:28] <Lefungus> supported in gstreamer
[05:28] <Seq> thingy: i don't use synaptic, but i will try to reproduce
[05:28] <Lefungus> but disabled in ubuntu
[05:28] <pseudo> Lefungus: You can probably find that in Universe or Multiverse
[05:28] <Xappe> Seq, thingy, I think these gpg errors happens when they're updating the package database
[05:28] <SeeleyUSMC> Geeze, I can't seem to find how to compile my c programs using gcc...can someone give me a quick example?
[05:28] <ubuntu> greetings room.
[05:29] <ubuntu> i am running this irc session from a ubuntu livecd.
[05:29] <pseudo> Lefungus: And "disabled" probably isn't the term
[05:29] <thingy> Xappe: if they are gpg errors then its just a matter of importing/trusting the keys
[05:29] <Lefungus> pseudo, I don't think I should replace gstreamer by the version in universe
[05:29] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  congrats, welcome
[05:29] <ubuntu> could someone tell me how to install from the livecd? i don't want to waste another cd to burn the install image.
[05:30] <ubuntu> thanks eyequeue
[05:30] <Lefungus> and I mean 'disabled during compilation'
[05:30] <Xappe> thingy: well, i'm almost sure almost all the errors with reloading the package list is due to updates
[05:30] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  you won't like my answer, but ... the livecd is filled with unpacked apps, no room for the installer, you do have to grab the install cd for that
[05:31] <pseudo> Lefungus: Just remember, sometimes you have to change things, Ubuntu tries to make "alot" of people happy and in doing so doesn't make "everyone" happy. If you don't like changing a computer settings to fit you needs, use Windows ;) j/k Not trying to troll.
[05:31] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  one thing i'll mention though if your bandwidth is tight.  in nine days the next version comes out, if you might prefer to wait
[05:31] <ubuntu> ah, so i'll have to sacrifice another cd, then. :)
[05:31] <Seq> thingy: but wouldn't ubuntu's keys be automatically imported via a keys package update or something?
[05:31] <ubuntu> another version? you mean hoary final release? i am running the hoary preview live cd.
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone?  How do I compile a C program with gcc?  My book I'm using shows how to for Microsoft and Borland compilers...
[05:32] <eyequeue> Seq:  check with 'apt-key list'
[05:32] <thingy> Seq: yes they should have been...which is why I asked whether you had other sources in your apt source.list file. Since packages from those sources wont have the keys in your keychain
[05:32] <Lefungus> pseudo, spare me the sarcasm
[05:32] <Ubabe> hi ppl, anyone happen to be running Ubuntu on a mac??
[05:32] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  yes, hoary final comes out 6 april
[05:32] <zooko> SeeleyUSMC: Hm.
[05:32] <Seq> thingy: yeah, i know third party ones wouldn't be
[05:32] <mirak> Ubabe: me
[05:33] <zooko> SeeleyUSMC: the simple answer is "gcc myprogram.c".
[05:33] <zooko> But there is a lot more detail.  You should probably read the gcc info file.
[05:33] <Seq> thingy: how many keys should an up to date hoary system have?
[05:33] <folta> i found this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NovaTHowTo/ but i don't know if it's the right thing to do, and as i've never patched a kernel i'm apprehensive...
[05:33] <ubuntu> i see. the thing is, i am currently running debian. and i am running into hazar problems with it. i mean, i can view vcds with xine-ui, but i cannot mount /dev/cdrom.
[05:33] <pseudo> Lefungus: Sound like you are the one with sarcasim this morning. It's just this is a place to get help, not complain about how you don't like something. If you are seriously unhappy with a desision, "seriously no sarcasim" file a bug report so it can be changed.
[05:34] <eyequeue> Seq:  here i have archive, cd, and marillat, the latter i manually added
[05:34] <Seq> eyequeue: hmm. i don't use marillat's repository, i have archive and cd
[05:35] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  ls -l /dev/cdrom, is there perhaps no symlink on the livecd?
[05:35] <eyequeue> Seq:  sounds to me like you should be fine
[05:36] <Seq> eyequeue: one would think, yeah. i suppose i'll just have to wait for my key signatures to have a problem again
[05:36] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  actually, on the livecd, isn' t the cdrom locked anyway?
[05:36] <ubuntu> eyequeue, no, this is a different problem. i have debian gnu/linux installed on my hard disc, and while i can play vcds, i cannot mount my cdrom drive for some reason. mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom fails.
[05:36] <Lefungus> pseudo, uninteresting discussion, topic closed. As always, it's DIY, and I will do it again
[05:36] <pseudo> Lefungus: I'm sorry If I came across crass. Just been getting a little annoyed at some people complaining about how linux doesn't do something with out having to tweak it. But isn't that the point? Some things need to be changed to fit ones needs, theres no possible way to fit everyones needs, and just because one distro did it doesn't mean that another is not as good.
[05:36] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  in ubuntu, i believe it's /media/cdrom as mountpoint
[05:37] <pseudo> Lefungus: Good luck on it though. I have to go.
[05:37] <ubuntu> thanks, is it the same in debian?
[05:37] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  no, they use /cdrom instead
[05:37] <Lefungus> pseudo, the little difference is that I coded many things to support musepack, including libmusepack
[05:37] <Lefungus> and now i get preaching
[05:37] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  they are rather similar, but not identical
[05:38] <trygvebw> I'm trying to compile Luminocity, but autogen complains about a missing XEXT library. I have installed libxext6 and libxext-dev, but that's apparantly not the right libraries. So what is libxext called in Ubuntu?
[05:38] <ubuntu> ok, let me try mount -t iso9660 /cdrom /mnt/cdrom then. slackware used to mount it on /dev/cdrom
[05:38] <ubuntu> thanks a lot, eyequeue
[05:38] <ubuntu> cheers
[05:38] <pseudo> Lefungus: Yeah, if needed. Just file a bug report, hopefully someone can tur it on by default for you in a nightly update :D.
[05:38] <eyequeue> trygvebw:  pn  libxext-dev    <none>         (no description available)
[05:38] <eyequeue> ii  libxext6       6.8.2-5.1      X Window System miscellaneous extension librar
[05:39] <trygvebw> Well, i installed it and it still complains...
[05:39] <onkarshinde> Has anybody tried installing ubuntu in Bochs emulator?
[05:39] <eyequeue> trygvebw:  that's hoary, i suppose it's possible warty might have been 5
[05:39] <trygvebw> I'm running Hoary.
[05:41] <Seq> trygvebw: since luminoscity is not released software, does it also require unreleased versions of libxext?
[05:42] <trygvebw> Seq: It doesn't ask for a specific version, AFAIK.
[05:44] <sid77> hi
[05:45] <nmsa> how to add a device to V4L2 in gnomenetmeeting ?
[05:47] <mdke> i've been having this error since yesterday, anyone know anything about it?
[05:47] <mdke> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/binary-i 386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[05:47] <Lefungus> does adding universe repository overwrite some ubuntu packages ?
[05:47] <mdke> Lefungus, no
[05:48] <mdke> universe contains ubuntu packages
[05:48] <Lefungus> ok
[05:48] <Lefungus> so there is no overlap
[05:48] <mdke> no
[05:48] <mdke> to my knowledge
[05:48] <eyequeue> Lefungus:  adds to your list of availables, nothing on the disk already is effected
[05:49] <mdke> no one else is getting this MD5Sum mismatch error?
[05:49] <trygvebw> tried apt-get update?
[05:49] <eyequeue> mdke:  let me do an apt-get update, hang a sec
[05:49] <mdke> thanks
[05:49] <mdke> happened to me on two mirrors
[05:50] <MaRk-I> ok I'm back thingy it was a host problem
[05:50] <thingy> MaRk-I: fixed it?
[05:50] <eyequeue> mdke:  no errors here
[05:50] <MaRk-I> yup
[05:50] <mdke> eyequeue, hmm
[05:50] <thingy> MaRk-I: cool
[05:50] <trygvebw> no errors here either
[05:51] <mdke> trygvebw, eyequeue have you guys updated apt recently?
[05:51] <eyequeue> mdke:  just 30 seconds ago
[05:51] <MaRk-I> can I use the updater thru GUI or has to be console??
[05:51] <trygvebw> i did it a few mins ago
[05:51] <tom_neo> hey ppl. how can that be? if i plug off hd0 and hd1 so my system disc hd2 is the new hd0 windows starts with grub 'rootnoverify (hd0,0)...' but if i plug the discs back so grub would have to boot windows from 2,0 it just prints what it does and stops. anybody an idea where the problem lies?
[05:51] <trygvebw> MaRk-I, what do you mean?
[05:52] <mdke> eyequeue, can you paste me your sources.list file in PM then?
[05:52] <MaRk-I> trygvebw, when I was installing it asked me to check for updates... but it couldn't connect
[05:52] <eyequeue> mdke:  sure, btw if you meant the package itself, i have this: drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2005-03-27 02:48 /usr/share/doc/apt
[05:52] <MaRk-I> now that I can....
[05:52] <mdke> eyequeue, i was thinking /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:53] <trygvebw> MaRk-I, weird... Try running "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" from a terminal.
[05:53] <dryad> Hi, I'm having a few problems with my Dell Inspiron 8600 and Hoary(5.04) - When I go to s3-mode (suspend-to-ram), it suspends fine, however it won't wake up again. When waking up, X.org freezes and gives me like half the screen-picture. Any ideas of what this could be?
[05:53] <Xappe> tom_neo: windows needs to be on the first hdd to boot I think
[05:53] <vixus> How do I access the apps menu directory with nautilus?
[05:53] <folta> i'm going to follow instructions on patching a vanilla kernel to install a driver for my tv card - can i apply patches for a wlan card at the same time without anything bad happening
[05:53] <trygvebw> dryad: How much swap and RAM?
[05:53] <MaRk-I> trygvebw, thanks but there's also a gui way right??
[05:53] <Xappe> tom_neo: there's a swap command for grub that makes win think it's on the forst hdd
[05:53] <tom_neo> Xappe: it worked ... afaik it just needs to be installed there but can be booted afterwards on another disc, too
[05:53] <dryad> trygvebw: 512mb swap - 512mb ram
[05:53] <tom_neo> Xappe: makeactive?
[05:53] <trygvebw> MaRk-I, yes, you did it the right way.
[05:54] <trygvebw> Might be some errors with your connection or the server.
[05:54] <eyequeue> mdke:  no, i was showing that the apt package itself was updated on the 27th
[05:54] <mdke> eyequeue, thanks
[05:54] <eyequeue> np
[05:54] <MaRk-I> cuestion does it have to be a regular or root terminal ??
[05:54] <Xappe> tom_neo: no. something like map (hdx, hdy)
[05:54] <nmsa> how to add a device to V4L2 in gnomenetmeeting ? anyone is using gnomenetmeeting ?
[05:54] <MaRk-I> question* too
[05:54] <dryad> trygvebw: if it's any help, I can tell that I'm using the fglrx-driver for X.org. Besides, if you would wan't to know any other informations from config-files or whatever, just shout.
[05:54] <Xappe> tom_neo: i've never used it, so I don't really know
[05:55] <vixus> How do I access the apps menu directory with nautilus?
[05:55] <eyequeue> mdke:  see if my mirrors behave for you there?
[05:55] <mdke> eyequeue, i will play around ;)
[05:55] <eyequeue> vixus:  warty or hoary?
[05:55] <tom_neo> Xappe: i just got it it's the 'map' command
[05:55] <vixus> hoary
[05:56] <eyequeue> vixus:  that functionality disappeared :(
[05:56] <airox> Hi
[05:56] <Xappe> tom_neo: as I thought then
[05:56] <trygvebw> dryad: No idea, i'm running fglrx too and a Dell and STD works perfectly.
[05:56] <vixus> eyequeue: WHAT?!!
[05:56] <MaRk-I> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:56] <MaRk-I> Calculating Upgrade... Done
[05:56] <MaRk-I> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:56] <vixus> eyequeue: How are we supposed to add launchers?
[05:56] <kain> vixus, probably you need to use a menu editor
[05:56] <trygvebw> Manually.
[05:56] <tom_neo> Xappe: yeah thx
[05:56] <napsy> Hi. Is the Ubuntu Install CD also a rescue CD?
[05:56] <vixus> kain: I thought gnome came with one, but I can't find it.
[05:57] <airox> I seem to have a problem with Enemy Territory. When it loads the screen get's black. That's it. It doesn't do anything. I have a geforce fx5600 and enabled nvidia drivers as told on ubuntuguide.org. Anybody got some ideas ?
[05:57] <kain> vixus, in fact you can find one on ubuntu forums but.. didn't worked so well for me
[05:57] <Xappe> vixus: gnome 2.10 has no menu editor
[05:57] <dryad> trygvebw: Any chance that you can post some of your config-files (/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh perhaps) somewhere?
[05:57] <eyequeue> vixus:  Amaranth wrote a text-editor, go to the directory he mentioned in some post on the forums, search for his name and text, it's within the first few hits
[05:57] <dryad> trygvebw: Are you using a framebuffer-console ?
[05:57] <eyequeue> vixus:  not perfect, but better than the nothing i had two days ago :)
[05:57] <airox> Any help would be appreciated :)
[05:57] <trygvebw> dryad: I'm not on my computer now so i can't post the file.
[05:57] <vixus> Thanks eyequeue
[05:57] <trygvebw> No idea.
[05:57] <trygvebw> :P
[05:57] <mdke> eyequeue, Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[05:57] <mdke> thats the second mirror
[05:57] <dryad> alright trygvebw
[05:57] <mdke> trying with US
[05:58] <Xappe> airox: have you tried to kill esd before starting the game?
[05:58] <vixus> eyequeue:  www.ubuntuforums.org right?
[05:58] <eyequeue> vixus:  yes
[05:58] <airox> Xappe: No, could that be the issue ?
[05:58] <nmsa> I just found a bug in gnomenetmeeting ... when calling, I can't hangup ... anyone has seen this before ?
[05:58] <Xappe> airox: esd can always be an issue
[05:58] <airox> :)
[05:58] <vixus> eyequeue: No matches for Amaranth and 'text'
[05:58] <eyequeue> nmsa:  that's almost scary, continually transmitting when you don't want to?
[05:58] <Xappe> airox: killall esd
[05:58] <airox> Trying.
[05:58] <kain> nmsa, I found that if called from a netmeeting user I can't respond and it keeps ringing
[05:58] <vixus> Argh
[05:58] <vixus> eyequeue: Sorry.
[05:58] <MoneyCat> I'm trying to get libaio.so but I'm having trouble finding it.
[05:58] <vixus> eyequeue: Speaking crap.
[05:58] <eyequeue> vix, let me look somewhere, brb
[05:59] <airox> Xappe: Yep, it works :D
[05:59] <Xappe> airox: see :)
[05:59] <eyequeue> vixus:  k :)
[05:59] <onno> how can I watch a DVD movie on my Laptop (hoary)
[05:59] <airox> Xappe: hehe :)
[05:59] <onno> wich pakket do I need to install?
[05:59] <vixus> eyequeue:  Ah!!! 404!!
[05:59] <kain> onno, install libdvdcss2
[05:59] <airox> I just love IRC support and also giving it :)
[05:59] <onno> where can I find that?
[05:59] <airox> Thanks Xappe !
[05:59] <airox> Let's play some game ;)
[05:59] <Xappe> airox: np. have fun! :)
[05:59] <kain> onno, on ubuntu repositories, use apt super cow powers
[05:59] <airox> tnx
[06:00] <eyequeue> onno:  see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats and ubuntuguide
[06:00] <Lefungus> I'm just trying that, but even after adding universe, it can't find libdvdcss2
[06:00] <eyequeue> vixus:  browse to the directory, the version is updated (or i'll get an exact, hang)
[06:00] <vixus> oh
[06:00] <vixus> right
[06:00] <onno> what are apt super cow powers?
[06:01] <vixus> eyequeue: Got it
[06:01] <Seveas> the magic of apt :)
[06:01] <eyequeue> k
[06:01] <kain> onno, apt-get moo
[06:01] <trygvebw> libdvdcss2 and ogle for menus
[06:01] <vixus> eyequeue: Which do I download?
[06:01] <airox> Xappe: Is there some sound support when I don't use esd now ?
[06:01] <mbjones> I upgraded from FC3 to Ubuntu, and it's complaining that /home has unsupported features. It says to upgrade e2fsck and repair. I had done this once before but I forgot exactly what I did. How do I upgrade e2fsck? I added universe/multiverse to apt, but it does not find anything to upgrade
[06:01] <eyequeue> vixus:  the deb then sudo dpkg -i it
[06:02] <mdke> eyequeue, us mirror has worked
[06:02] <Xappe> airox: how do you mean? you could just start esd again after playing the game
[06:02] <eyequeue> vixus:  when i run it, i do it under sudo if i want the changes to apply for allusers
[06:02] <airox> Xappe: Sound ingame :)
[06:03] <mbjones> :-\
[06:03] <eyequeue> mdke:  hmm, it's possible that there was sme glich that got propagated only some places?  i don't quite know where to report that though
[06:03] <Xappe> airox: ah, you should get sound...it's probably using oss or sdl
[06:03] <mdke> eyequeue, am asking in devel
[06:03] <vixus> eyequeue: Where does the menu editor get put in the menus?
[06:03] <mdke> weird yeah
[06:03] <Xappe> airox: what's the error message?
[06:03] <mbjones> anyone?
[06:04] <MoneyCat> I'm trying to get libaio.so but I'm having trouble finding it in ubuntu repositories..
[06:04] <airox> Xappe: Have to check logs. But I connected to a server and I got the gnome desktop back at me.
[06:04] <eyequeue> vixus:  i added it as "gksudo menu-editor" under applicatoins > system tools
[06:04] <mdke> mbjones, you may have to boot from a live disk to check your home partition.
[06:04] <vixus> eyequeue: Thanks
[06:04] <airox> My mouse seem to have stalled also.
[06:04] <eyequeue> vixus:  stick it under games though if you're twisted, heh
[06:04] <mdke> mbjones, tbh, upgrading from fedora3 to ubuntu without wiping clean is downright crazy ;)
[06:04] <Xappe> airox, hmm. that seems to be video related
[06:05] <mbjones> mdke: That is not what I had to do before
[06:05] <mbjones> mdke: I installed some package, and then typed "fsck /dev/hda7" and viola, no problem
[06:05] <mdke> ok but you shouldn't do that when the partition is mounted
[06:05] <nmsa> kain, eyequeue: I never had a chat on gnomemeeting, no friends of mine are using it ... I will try a test with someone from the list and see what happens if someone answers. I wonder if the other party tryen to answer and they were not able to ...
[06:05] <Xappe> viola, lol
[06:05] <ixion> using hoary - whats the easier way to get mp3 support for rhythm?
[06:05] <mbjones> mdke: It's not mounted
[06:05] <mbjones> mdke: It won't mount it
[06:05] <eyequeue> mbjones:  fsck it after it's umouted
[06:06] <SeeleyUSMC> Just curious, but does anyone know of an alarm clock for Linux?
[06:06] <mbjones> eyequeue: I know... but I need to _upgrade_ fsck
[06:06] <ixion> easier = easiest
[06:06] <mbjones> eyequeue: That is what the problem is
[06:06] <SeeleyUSMC> I lose track of time on this computer
[06:06] <kain> nmsa, to test gnomemeeting try registering in their ldap directory setting preferences
[06:06] <mdke> ixion, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - > great doc
[06:06] <mbjones> I believe I had installed a Debian package under Ubuntu to get a later version of fsck
[06:06] <vixus> eyequeue: Works a treat! Thanks.
[06:06] <Xappe> ixion: gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:06] <ixion> mdke, ill have a look
[06:06] <mbjones> Can anyone give me a direct URL to the latest deb package for e2fsck?
[06:07] <eyequeue> ixion:  or http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <mbjones> I think I installed a deb package from debian unstable
[06:07] <mdke> eyequeue, lol
[06:07] <onkarshinde> Has anybody tried installing ubuntu in Bochs emulator?
[06:07] <mdke> eyequeue, the correct address is in fact http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ;p
[06:07] <eyequeue> vixus:  it's got a couple of little bugs, but still great imo
[06:07] <mdke> all work tho
[06:07] <ixion> hm I think I need to update my sources.list cant find the gstreamer mad plugin
[06:07] <mdke> ixion, yep it's all in that document
[06:08] <eyequeue> mdke:  really?  ubuntu,com has a rewrite too?  cool
[06:08] <mbjones> eyequeue: Can you help out? (Also, I can't seem to umount /home, says device is busy)
[06:08] <roo_> hi guys, new Ubuntu and gnome user, not a new linux user. When I right click in a gnome menu gives me nothing when the manual says it should give me a submenu for adding new menu items etc. Using Hoary 5.04, Gnome 2.10..
[06:08] <mdke> eyequeue, yeah they are all aliases
[06:08] <vixus> eyequeue: Sure is.
[06:08] <Seveas> mbjones,  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.35-8ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:08] <mdke> roo_, sorry that doesn't exist in gnome 2.10
[06:08] <eyequeue> mbjones:  let's start with "fuser /home"
[06:08] <mbjones> Seveas: ahhh, I have to type that all out
[06:08] <mdke> roo_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[06:08] <Blissex> roo_: thats more like a #GNOME question BTW
[06:08] <roo_> mdke, ah, good start, how do I edit menus in gnome?
[06:09] <mdke> roo_, not easily ;) check that doc
[06:09] <roo_> Blissex, i know mate, i tried #gnome first but nobody knew.
[06:09] <airox> Xappe: Would you know which logs to check ?
[06:09] <mbjones> Seveas: That is for Ubuntu, not Debian
[06:09] <mbjones> eyequeue: Okay, says "/home"
[06:09] <Xappe> airox: nope
[06:09] <vixus> Hmm, gxine didnt come with an icon, can anyone give me one?
[06:09] <eyequeue> roo_:  hoary does nt have that
[06:09] <Blissex> roo_: you got lucky with <mdke> though... :-)
[06:09] <Xappe> airox: some xsession logsmaybe?
[06:09] <eyequeue> roo_:  vixus is an expert on that, he'll help you :)
[06:09] <nexus-> hey guys
[06:09] <mdke> vixus, xine has one doesn't it?
[06:09] <eyequeue> vixus:  payback time, heh
[06:09] <roo_> eyequeue, mdke, Blissex thanks guys i'll look at the doc :)
[06:10] <nexus-> does anyone know what does the author of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto mean by the following:
[06:10] <nexus-> iface wlan0 inet manual
[06:10] <nexus-> pre-up ifconfig wlan0 up (etc.)
[06:10] <Blissex> roo_: if you say extreme, weird things like i'll look at the doc you may end up in BASH.org :-)
[06:10] <Seveas> nexus-, hi
[06:10] <mdke> nexus-, those are commands no?
[06:10] <Seveas> i believe i wrote that :
[06:10] <vixus> roo_: Get http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb, then dpkg -i it
[06:10] <mdke> nexus-, maybe not the "pre-up" bit
[06:11] <mdke> heh
[06:11] <nexus-> mdke, yeah i'm supposed to put that in the init scripts
[06:11] <nexus-> just don't really understand where to put it
[06:11] <vixus> Nah, gxine never came with an icon =(
[06:11] <Seveas> nexus-, in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:11] <nexus-> and i can't find a iface command either on the machine
[06:11] <mdke> nexus-, you have the author right here ;) -->
[06:12] <Seveas> nexus, hi, that document is a bit outdated, i can give you better instructions in a private chat
[06:12] <nexus-> Seveas, ah okay thanks i'll try that
[06:12] <vixus> Can someone dig in their /usr/share/pixmaps directory and give me xine.png (or whatever)
[06:12] <nexus-> Seveas, great! :)
[06:12] <nydust> hey, what is the best x server xfree or orgx?
[06:12] <napsy> xorg
[06:13] <randabis> x.org has more active development I believe
[06:13] <mdke> vixus, sure PM me your email tho i can't dcc
[06:13] <onno> What is the correct line to add marlat: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ main
[06:13] <nydust> its faster? but it is quite new? cant remember that i did see it for 4 years ago.. haven used linux on about 4 years.
[06:13] <vixus> mdke: It's ok, I found it.
[06:13] <onno> It seems not to work... There is my dvd libdvdcss2 thing
[06:13] <mdke> vixus, ok
[06:13] <randabis> nydust, most distros have opted for x.org due to restrictions in the xfree86 license
[06:13] <Seveas> onno: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (use testing main for Warty)
[06:13] <mdke> onno, have you had a look at the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki?
[06:13] <vixus> mdke: Found a cool icon site
[06:14] <mdke> :)
[06:14] <nydust> randabis, aha
[06:14] <onno> I got Hoary
[06:14] <onno> mdke yes
[06:14] <vixus> I'm off to watch Belleville Rendevouz.
[06:14] <vixus> on ubuntu.
[06:14] <vixus> etc.
[06:15] <Arnia> vixus: Great film :)
[06:15] <ixion> is there a multiverse repository for hoary ?
[06:15] <nydust> is kde 3.4 in the hoary release?
[06:15] <mdke> yes
[06:15] <napsy> Does the Ubuntu Warty Install CD support rescue mode?
[06:15] <mdke> nydust, kubuntu-desktop does the trick i think. Not 100% sure of the version, but i think it is 3.4
[06:15] <mdke> check on #kubuntu
[06:15] <vixus> Arnia: Unfortunately I can't watch it cause there's no symbolic link to /dev/dvd =(
[06:16] <onno> seems somthing must be wrong in this line deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstabel main
[06:16] <onno> a wait I see
[06:16] <mdke> onno, unstable
[06:16] <apokryphos> mdke: yup, it's 3.4
[06:16] <vixus> How do I do  the /dev/dvd think?!
[06:16] <nydust> cause i am upgrading to hoary now.
[06:16] <vixus> *thing
[06:16] <mdke> nydust, ok apokryphos has confirmed it, although he is a closet gnome user
[06:16] <vixus> eyequeue: Can you help?
[06:17] <mdke> vixus, what /dev/dvd thing?
[06:17] <mdke> lol
[06:17] <Lefungus> onno, you managed to install libdvdcss2 ?
[06:17] <onno> I see, it works now under protest
[06:17] <vixus> mdke: Creating a symbolic link, so that the DVD plays when it's loaded into /dev/cdrom0 or whatever
[06:17] <mdke> ok
[06:17] <onno> I 'm installing it Lefungus ... I must say Ubuntu communty is realy helpfull!
[06:17] <onno> :)
[06:17] <mdke> vixus, sudo ln -s
[06:18] <vixus> mdke: And so that I don't have to do it each time I start the computer
[06:18] <mdke> i can never remember is its source or target first
[06:18] <mdke> vixus, erm...
[06:18] <Lefungus> onno, with hoary ? which repository is needed then ? it's not in universe
[06:18] <vixus> erm... missing target file
[06:18] <vixus> missing file argument
[06:18] <onno> marlet
[06:18] <mdke> yeah you'll need it to link to your cd drive
[06:18] <airox> Do I have to disable the dri module in xorg.conf ?
[06:18] <onno> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:18] <airox> When I use the nvidia drivers ?
[06:19] <Lefungus> onno, did you add multiverse too ?
[06:19] <onno> multiverse no????
[06:19] <mdke> its not in multiverse either iirc
[06:19] <vixus> mdke: sudo ln -s /dev/cdrom0 /dev/dvd ?
[06:19] <folta> guys, is it really necessary to switch to using a vanilla kernel in order to patch it for my tv card, like it says at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NovaTHowTo
[06:19] <mdke> vixus, give it a try
[06:19] <nydust> how do i enable dri on my ati card ? have a laptop with ati mobile radeon.
[06:19] <vixus> mdke: sudo ln -s /dev/cdrom0 /dev/dvd ? <--- /dev/dvd already exists
[06:19] <mdke> vixus, ls -al /dev/dvd
[06:19] <onno> no I'm geting confused
[06:20] <ixion> what multiverse should I be using for hoary - Ive tried deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse  but get stat errors
[06:20] <vixus> mdke: /dev/dvd -> hda
[06:20] <mdke> onno, multiverse is another ubuntu repository, for non-free formats. but libdvdcss is not in there
[06:20] <mdke> vixus, is that the right one?
[06:20] <ixion> if anyone has it handy..
[06:20] <MaRk-I> if wireless card is not detected.... ndiswrapper??
[06:20] <Arnia> nydust: My ati mobile radeon doesn't give me XV :(
[06:20] <vixus> no... hda isn't my cdrom
[06:20] <jw_ma_ke> hi
[06:20] <vixus> drive
[06:20] <mdke> ixion, add it on the end of your unvierse lines
[06:20] <jw_ma_ke> anyone remember me??
[06:20] <vixus> mdke, fixed that
[06:20] <mdke> vixus, ok you can delete it and remake it
[06:20] <vixus> mdke: /dev/dvd -> /dev/cdrom0 now
[06:20] <mdke> good
[06:20] <ixion> Im getting stat errors on deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe to though :/
[06:20] <mdke> ixion, me too
[06:21] <eyequeue> okay, i've got to close my eyes, they're seeing conversations here about condoms
[06:21] <mdke> ixion, not your fault
[06:21] <jw_ma_ke> does anyone know why i am unable to log in as root using plink, with sshd running on the ubuntu machine?
[06:21] <eyequeue> bye all
[06:21] <vixus> mdke: Will I have to do it everytime my pc starts?
[06:21] <vixus> eyequeue: bye.
[06:21] <jw_ma_ke> allowrootlogins yes is in the sshd_config
[06:21] <ixion> so something is broke with archive.ubuntu ?
[06:21] <mdke> vixus, i'm not sure
[06:21] <mdke> ixion, yes
[06:21] <ixion> k
[06:21] <mdke> ixion, if you're desperate, replace "gb" with "us"
[06:21] <vixus> mdke: xine still won't play it.
[06:21] <vixus> mdke: Input plugin error -_-
[06:22] <mdke> vixus, you got libdvdcss?
[06:22] <vixus> mdke: YEs
[06:22] <MaRk-I> bbl... thanks all
[06:22] <ixion> bah, cant stat us either
[06:22] <mdke> ixion, ok i didn't have that problem
[06:22] <ixion> mdke, you used deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:22] <ixion>  ?
[06:23] <mdke> ixion, yeah
[06:23] <onno> Totem just crases now...
[06:23] <onno> Whe trying to run a dvd
[06:23] <mbjones> where did queue go?
[06:23] <ixion> I can apt-get but cant use symp.. whatever its called
[06:23] <ixion> synaptic
[06:24] <mdke> onno, vixus, run it from a terminal and try and trouble shoot any errors you get
[06:24] <kain> onno, restart gnome.
[06:24] <mbjones> !seen eyequeue
[06:24] <mbjones> grr
[06:24] <ixion> heh - now its working
[06:24] <mdke> i gtg
[06:24] <mdke> bye all
[06:24] <mbjones> I need to install a e2fsck that is newer than 1.35, can someone help? I don't have a browser, stuck in console mode
[06:25] <roo_> vixus et al, thanks all for help on menus. nice little app that :)
[06:25] <onno> first going to restart gnome... If I don't come back it wil work :)
[06:25] <laxise> anyone advanced in the way of ssh ???
[06:25] <jw_ma_ke> does anyone know why i am unable to log in as root using plink, with sshd running on the ubuntu machine?
[06:25] <jw_ma_ke> allowrootlogins yes is in the sshd_config
[06:26] <vixus> mdke: Works.
[06:26] <laxise> i need help with setting up an ssh-conection ... I have a internal Ip adress from my internet provider and there are at least 2NATS so i cant reach my machine from the internet
[06:28] <airox> hey paulswm
[06:28] <airox> laxise: You have to configure the port forwards at the NAT points.
[06:28] <jw_ma_ke> is anyone able to help?
[06:28] <paulswm> airox: Hey
[06:29] <ixion> ok I have mp3 suport now and sound playing through front/rear speakers on nforce2 integrated soundcard - any suggestions on getting the digital out (optical) working?
[06:29] <airox> jw_ma_ke: PermitRootLogin ?
[06:29] <laxise> airox: that isnt helping me so much dont know what u are talking about??!!! -- im beginner :)
[06:29] <mbjones> I need someone to help me out. I need someone to find the latest Debian (not Ubuntu) package that has e2fsck (prob in e2fsprogs) that is later than 1.35. I am stuck in console mode and can't surf the Debian package site
[06:29] <airox> laxise: Do you have access to the NAT boxes ?
[06:30] <mbjones> I need to upgrade my e2fsck in order to mount my /home partition
[06:30] <grogoreo> hi is it possible to add a new entry into the 'Places' menu on GNOME 2.10? All I want to add is /home/grogoreo/Personal
[06:30] <balor> grogoreo, yes, just add it in any file open window
[06:31] <Blissex> grogoreo: also, MDKE recently mentioned this URL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[06:31] <grogoreo> thanks guys
[06:31] <mbjones> someone... please
[06:32] <Blissex> mbjones: why do you need to to that? Just use 'aptitude' and list all available 'e2fsprogs' packages yourself.
[06:32] <kain> mbjones, wait
[06:32] <mbjones> Blissex: I said Debian, not ubuntu
[06:32] <srid> If I press shift+numlock, '-' and then '5' in numeric pad, it generates the mouse right-click event.  Then after if I just press '5' in numeric pad, it will generate the mouse right-click event.  But this effect disappears after sometime.  How to toggle shift+numlock, - permanently?
[06:32] <Blissex> mbjones: just add the Debian sources after the Ubuntu ones...
[06:32] <mbjones> Blissex: Because Ubuntu doesn't have the latest e2fsck program, therefore, I cannot mount my /home partition
[06:33] <mbjones> Blissex: that will cause package conflicts
[06:33] <kain> mbjones, http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.37-1_i386.deb
[06:33] <Blissex> mbjones: that therefore is extremely suspicious...
[06:33] <kain> mbjones, do you want the source?
[06:33] <mbjones> kain: Thanks
[06:33] <jw_ma_ke> airox: by allowrootlogon i mean the setting in sshd_config
[06:33] <mbjones> Blissex: I did this before.
[06:33] <mbjones> kain: can you privmsg me what you just pasted (so the channel doesnt scroll as I have to hand-type it)
[06:33] <airox> jw_ma_ke: And I mentioned the correct sshd_config option.
[06:33] <laxise> airox: i guess not ...
[06:33] <jw_ma_ke> sorry, its proper name is PermitRootLogin
[06:34] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Offcourse it is.
[06:34] <jw_ma_ke> airox: do you have any ideas why it will not let me connect with the root user?
[06:34] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Because it's BAD.
[06:34] <airox> jw_ma_ke: You have su :)
[06:34] <airox> jw_ma_ke: or sudo
[06:35] <jw_ma_ke> airox: but it is an automated task so i will not be there to enter the pword
[06:35] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Why would you need ssh for it ?
[06:35] <jw_ma_ke> and since it is over a protected LAN, i am not too worried about using the root user
[06:36] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Can't you use ftp or something ?
[06:36] <jw_ma_ke> airox: it is part of a remote shutdown
[06:36] <jw_ma_ke> airox: the error plink returns is "Access denied" "No supported authentication methods left to try!"
[06:36] <ericb2> bye
[06:37] <airox> jw_ma_ke: What does the auth log say ?
[06:37] <jw_ma_ke> airox: where is that located?
[06:37] <airox> /var/log
[06:37] <airox> (like all other logfiles)
[06:38] <jw_ma_ke> + pts/1 root:root
[06:38] <srid> If I press shift+numlock, '-' and then '5' in numeric pad, it generates the mouse right-click event.  Then after if I just press '5' in numeric pad, it will generate the mouse right-click event.  But this effect disappears after sometime.  How to toggle shift+numlock, - permanently?
[06:39] <jw_ma_ke> (pam_unix) session opened for user rooot by (uid=0)
[06:39] <jw_ma_ke> sorry the first line before both of those is:
[06:39] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Root hasn't got a valid shell in ubuntu ?
[06:40] <jw_ma_ke> USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/users-admin
[06:40] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Did you change the shell and password for root ?
[06:40] <jw_ma_ke> root has a valid password i am sure
[06:40] <jw_ma_ke> the shell i am not sure about
[06:40] <folta> i'm compiling a patched kernel, 2.6.11, can i use the config file config-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic or can i get a newer ubuntu config file somewhere?
[06:40] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Why don't you make a nice user for the task and give him some rights with sudo ?
[06:41] <jw_ma_ke> airox: will i not still need to enter the password when sudo is used though?
[06:41] <bitsmash> how do i stop alt from moving the windows
[06:41] <Seveaz> nexus-, still there?
[06:41] <airox> jw_ma_ke: You can set the sudo behaviour.
[06:41] <airox> jw_ma_ke: So it doesn't ask for a password.
[06:41] <logpacker> I love linux
[06:41] <logpacker> :)
[06:42] <xerox> You have some problem :)
[06:42] <jw_ma_ke> airox: how do i set the sudo behaviour?
[06:42] <airox> jw_ma_ke: /etc/sudoers
[06:42] <airox> That's where all the option are. The manual tell which one's.
[06:42] <Xappe> i would use visudo fr editing /etc/sudoers
[06:43] <jw_ma_ke> my own user is within /etc/sudoers yet i have to enter the password each time i first use sudo...
[06:43] <airox> jw_ma_ke: Check the manual.
[06:43] <airox> jw_ma_ke: It's all in there.
[06:44] <airox> Ubuntu doesn't want to boot. :( It stops when showing: "Enterprise Volume Management System" Does anyone know what the problem could be or where I could find out what the problem could be ?
[06:44] <jw_ma_ke> airox: thanks im taking a look
[06:45] <jw_ma_ke> airox: will i need to change an option for the user within /etc/sudoers that is different to how my user is set up?
[06:45] <Xappe> airox: hmm, didn't you use ubuntu just some minutes ago?
[06:46] <airox> Xappe: Yeah. And when running ET it just crashed. I couldn't even switch with ctrl+alt+f6. So I rebooted. Since then it doesn't get pass that init.d script message.
[06:46] <napsy> Is Ubuntu Install CD providing a way to access a console for rescue purpuses?
[06:47] <Xappe> airox: strange
[06:47] <airox> Yeah
[06:47] <airox> Hmm ...
[06:47] <airox> There is a script from nvidia in there ...
[06:48] <onno> Hmm
[06:48] <onno> the dvd support works not with Gstreamer
[06:48] <onno> when I install Xine-totem the it works
[06:48] <onno> but the movie shocks a bit
[06:49] <onno> it isn't fluent... What Should I do now?
[06:51] <onno> the dvd support works not with Gstreamer, when I install totem-xine it works but not very well. The movie shocks a bit.? What should I do now?
[06:51] <thingy> onno: I came across this as well...I'm pretty sure this is a kernel issue...I'm gonna test this theory by configuring my own custom kernel later on today
[06:52] <airox> damnit, it wasn't the nvidia script :(
[06:52] <airox> hmm
[06:53] <jw_ma_ke2> airox: are you there?
[06:53] <onno> hmmm, so I wont be able to watch my movie I rented
[06:53] <onno> :'
[06:53] <nubbe> what is the best antivirus app for ubuntu?
[06:54] <onno> :(
[06:54] <jw_ma_ke2> airox: what is the best way to create a user for my task without having a home area etc made for them?
[06:54] <hawke_> onno: clamav, though antivirus is generally not necessary on Linux
[06:55] <hawke_> jw_ma_ke2: If you want to disable the sudo password for a user, add them to the 'sudo' group...
[06:55] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: if you apt-get install chkrootkit  that will check for trojans, backdoors, worms
[06:55] <nubbe> hawke, nice to know ur not passing off crap to pals, right?
[06:55] <dmoyne> I have a stange problem with my keyboard : sequence "^"+"e" does not yield "" as it should but "^e" ; where to this that has been changed when I updated from warty to hoary ? ; thanks
[06:55] <hawke_> nubbe: ?
[06:56] <nubbe> on
[06:56] <airox> What is HAL ?
[06:56] <hawke_> airox: hardware abstraction layer
[06:56] <goldfish> a.i stuff ?
[06:56] <goldfish> hehe
[06:56] <goldfish> different hal so,...
[06:56] <ermo> has anyone here installed ubuntu on an amd k6?
[06:56] <airox> ah
[06:56] <nubbe> not everyone uses linux, right?
[06:56] <hawke_> dmoyne: switch to the US int'l keyboard
[06:56] <airox> nubbe: Nope.
[06:56] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, I'll check it out, thanks
[06:57] <hawke_> nubbe: Correct, but when the question was "what's the best antivirus app for ubuntu?" ...
[06:57] <onno> anybody else experiencing this with watching DVD movies?
[06:57] <nubbe> hawke, it still is, not much good asking for win-antivirus if I run ubuntu?
[06:57] <onno> with Gstreamer Totem simply crashes
[06:58] <hawke_> onno: Have you tried mplayer and/or xine-ui?
[06:58] <Arnia> nubbe: Aegis-Antivirus searches for windows viruses
[06:58] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: :)   snort, fiaif are some good monitors and firewalls too
[06:58] <Xappe> onno, is the problem that the movie is kinda sluggish?
[06:58] <jw_ma_ke2> hawke: how do i add to the sudo group?
[06:58] <dmoyne> to hawke but I ma French and I need French keyboard (azerty) !
[06:58] <nubbe> ok
[06:58] <Xappe> onno: you could try to turn on dma for your dvd-player
[06:58] <OrangeRoot1000> onno: i have some shaking while playing encrypted dvds
[06:58] <nubbe> now I see ur point, hawke
[06:58] <nubbe> :)
[06:59] <OrangeRoot1000> onno: i turned off my
[06:59] <hawke_> nubbe: Aye.  And I recommended clamav...that should apply regardless of whether everyone uses Linux. :-)
[06:59] <OrangeRoot1000> Rootkit Hunter installation fails with Solaris, why?
[06:59] <OrangeRoot1000> You have to use the bash shell to install Rootkit Hunter.
[06:59] <OrangeRoot1000> # (/path/to)bash installer.sh
[06:59] <OrangeRoot1000> Errors from external software
[06:59] <Xirdneh> Question, if i upgrade to hoary all my configuration will stay the same or do I will have to configure everything again?
[06:59] <OrangeRoot1000> c
[06:59] <nubbe> I'll check em out, thanks
[06:59] <hawke_> jw_ma_ke2: 'sudo adduser username sudo'
[07:00] <OrangeRoot1000> nnm
[07:00] <hawke_> dmoyne: ah.  I don't know then. :-/
[07:00] <Levander> When you're GNOME desktop is bigger than your X-Window screen resolution, is there any easy way to "scroll down" to get to the bottom of the windows that go down off bottom of screen?
[07:00] <onno> the movie comes stops for a sec and plays on
[07:00] <randabis> Xirdneh, depends...most things should stay the same, unless you tell it to overwrite the configuration files (there will be a few times in the dist-upgrade where it will ask you about config files and whether or not you want them overwritten
[07:00] <onno> how do I turn dma on for my dvd-player?
[07:01] <randabis> it will give you the option to compare the old file with the new file so you can see the differences
[07:01] <airox> onno: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX (where X is the dvd-plauer)
[07:01] <airox> player even ...
[07:01] <Levander> no easy way to get your desktop to scroll down?
[07:02] <Timbo> Levander: move the mouse
[07:02] <folta> can someone help me out with this kernel configuration thing: i'm usimng menuconfig, and apparently as i'm using sata hard drives it's vital that the drivers for them are compiled into the kernel rather than loaded as modules: where do i check that?
[07:03] <Levander> Timbo: I try to move the mouse off the bottom of the screen, notta
[07:03] <hawke_> Levander: you can move windows around by holding down alt and dragging...worth a shot.
[07:03] <georges> hi
[07:03] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: folta for configuring the kernel there are places to check M for module or * for kernel load i believe
[07:03] <ixion> is ln -s symlink originalfile or the other way around?
[07:03] <Levander> hawke_: yeah, maybe that's easiest way
[07:04] <OrangeRoot1000>  folta: for configuring the kernel there are places to check M for module or * for kernel load i believe
[07:04] <ixion> is it*
[07:04] <georges> using hoary: is it oss or alsa?
[07:04] <OrangeRoot1000> folta: it has been a while for me configuring a kernel... but the key in the graphical was the M switch
[07:04] <crypticreign> anyone else get segmentation fault with openoffice?
[07:04] <OrangeRoot1000> folta: u dont want M in that case...
[07:04] <georges> ixion: other way
[07:04] <azad> got a skystar 2, does anyone know how to get it working under linux? (that's a DVB card)
[07:04] <folta> OrangeRoot1000: yup, i can see that, i'm just trying to find the right entry to set as * rather than M
[07:04] <ixion> ta
[07:05] <Levander> hawke_: apparently u can't move windows up so that they go off the screen to the top.... Can only move them off bottom.  So now I've got no way to move the window up, so I can then move the bottom up, then put the window back where it was.
[07:05] <Levander> Sux
[07:05] <randabis> folta, in that case you probably need to know what SATA chipset you have
[07:05] <georges> levander: this is my problem too. it's a gnome decision :-(
[07:06] <folta> which depends on the mobo?
[07:06] <folta> i'll look that up
[07:06] <georges> same goes for workspace switching when hitting the border. but for that exists a solution
[07:06] <Levander> georges: other window manages let you have desktops "below" desktops, so if something goes off bottom of top desktop, can switch to bottom desktop and move it back up.  Gnome doesn't do that?
[07:06] <hawke_> Levander: oh god that's stupid.
[07:07] <onno> airox how do I now where my DVD player is... normaly it should be in /mnt but there it isn't?
[07:07] <Levander> How about just an easy way to screen my desktop resolution?  (as opposed to my screen resolution)
[07:07] <georges> levander: no, gnome wants not to disturb the dumb users. problem is they even removed the possibility to re-enable this
[07:07] <Levander> grrrrrrr
[07:07] <georges> well if it really pisses you off, use kde
[07:08] <pere_> Im trying to install a ATI Radeon 9800, following instructions I found on ubuntuforums. I keep getting this error when I try to compile the module: "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build: No such file or directory."
[07:08] <Levander> nevermind about the last desktop resolution, figured out it doesn't make sense
[07:08] <georges> I think in kde all theese tricks are possible
[07:08] <Levander> georges: yeah right, and configure it myself under ubuntu??
[07:08] <danix> how can i install a scaner on ubuntu?
[07:08] <Levander> gnome's already configured real good into ubuntu
[07:08] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, not talking to me, right?
[07:08] <Blissex> pere_: you need fully prepped kernel sources.
[07:08] <nmsa> anyone knows where I can find libqt-mt.so.3 ? it is used by skype
[07:08] <georges> I thought there's now kubuntu, a kde-enable distrib
[07:08] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: ??
[07:08] <Bazzi> georges yes there is
[07:08] <n3x> Does anyone have an Asus M6BNe laptop running ubuntu ? i need some tips about the acpi
[07:09] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: i was having a little technical difficulty on my irc
[07:09] <OrangeRoot1000> lol
[07:09] <ixion> does gnome have a gui diskmanagment utility ?
[07:09] <logpacker> ubuntu lol
[07:09] <georges> now for my question: is hoary OSS based or ALSA ?
[07:09] <ixion> create partitions etc
[07:09] <logpacker> hey is ubuntu install on 1 cd?
[07:09] <ixion> logpacker, yes
[07:09] <meuserj|work> ixion, try out "gparted"
[07:09] <pere_> Blissex: I downloaded the kernel sources for 2.6.8.1, using Synaptic. It placed them under /usr/src
[07:09] <randabis> georges, depends on your card...it will use alsa if it is supported by your card
[07:09] <meuserj|work> ixion, it's in Universe
[07:09] <ixion> k ta
[07:10] <Bazzi> pere_ do you have the build-essential package?
[07:10] <georges> randabiss ahh... how do I fund out?
[07:10] <nubbe> :)
[07:10] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: how long have u been using ubuntu?
[07:11] <pere_> Blissex: nope... Installing it now
[07:11] <meuserj|work> georges, use the command "discover sound"
[07:11] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, a few weeks
[07:11] <georges> I have a creative Soundblaser
[07:11] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: i just did a d/l of it yesterday so far frm what i can see and have used there have been no major issues
[07:11] <Blissex> pere_: good good...
[07:11] <meuserj|work> georges, that is supported by ALSA
[07:11] <georges> Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI
[07:11] <Blissex> pere_: note that they need to be prep'ed, but I think the sources package should be so.
[07:12] <georges> so why is esd running?
[07:12] <randabis> georges, ensoniq? I believe alsa supports those...I'm not sure
[07:12] <meuserj|work> georges, ah.. I believe that is supported by alsa
[07:12] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, chkrootkit?
[07:12] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: there seems to be a couple of tweaks that i have had like with the root default setting and i can not upgrade a sources list entry
[07:12] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: yes ,, chkrootkit
[07:12] <randabis> georges, because esd runs by default
[07:12] <pere_> Blissex: prep_ed?? installed the build-essential package.. Same error.
[07:12] <georges> and in the volum control I can also choose tritech TR28602, what's that?
[07:13] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, sources.list?
[07:13] <randabis> that's the OSS driver georges
[07:13] <randabis> it allows you to choose either
[07:13] <Blissex> pere_: they need to be configured _and_ to have run 'make oldconfig'
[07:13] <Roey> hi
[07:13] <georges> so both are running?
[07:13] <georges> this is all VERY confusing.
[07:13] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: yes teh sources.list
[07:14] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: ubuntu wants some sort of public key for the url i want to input
[07:14] <georges> and in result I just would like to use my microphone, with teamspeak or skype.
[07:14] <Blissex> pere_: but wait a sec, check 'ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build' it should be a symbolic link to the place it expects things to be in.
[07:14] <georges> teamspeak does not start if esd is running.
[07:14] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, strange, I've followed ubuntugouide.org and upgraded to hoary, never needed any key?
[07:14] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: then when you have it downloaded you can run it once in a while or have cron do a chkrootkit for you automatically
[07:15] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: this is for adding outside repositotries
[07:15] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: for some reason ubuntu does not have xfce4.2 yet when it has been out for months
[07:15] <pere_> Blissex: OK. To where, do you know? Or is that to the place build-essential installed build?
[07:15] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: they still have 4.0 and i want 4.2
[07:15] <EfaistOs> does someone know how to play nsv video stream with mplayer ?
[07:16] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: i have it on my desktop system and like the window manageer better than kde or gnome
[07:16] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, I'm new to this, so I'm taking it easy with stuff outside ubuntu  :)
[07:16] <pere_> Blissex: That symlink does not exist... Do you know where it whould be pointed?
[07:17] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, I tried kde bu went back to gnome
[07:17] <Ede> hi all
[07:17] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: np. i have been using debian/forks for about a year now so it takes time. ubuntu is a very nice distro and i need current stuff to support my laptop along with a current kernel that i dont have to compile
[07:18] <Ede> i have a little prob
[07:18] <Blissex> pere_: that should point to '/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1-2-386'
[07:18] <Blissex> pere_: if that symlink does not exist your kernel package is badly installed.
[07:18] <Ede> i installed ubunu hoary preview
[07:18] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: xfce4 is nice for a window manager..... apt-get install xfce4
[07:18] <pere_> Blissex: ahh... like that...:-)
[07:19] <Ede> when i start a program that needs root privilegs....
[07:19] <nubbe> OrangeRoot1000, I may try it out later, but I'm going gnome right now and waiting for hoary final for a clean reinstall
[07:19] <Ede> i get prompted for a password
[07:19] <Ede> root
[07:19] <Cred> Could someone try to help me to get Rhythmbox sounds back to work?
[07:19] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: cool. oh hoary is still unstable then?
[07:19] <Blissex> pere_: oops, that should have been '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8.1-2-386' or something like that.
[07:19] <Ede> but when i type my root pw he tells me that the pw is wrong
[07:20] <georges> Ede enter your usual password
[07:20] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: i did a fresh install from kanotix yesterday on this system
[07:20] <georges> not root, but the pw of your user
[07:20] <Ede> LOL
[07:20] <Ede> THX
[07:20] <Ede> it works!
[07:20] <georges> ubuntu usually has no root pw
[07:20] <dealmo720> Ede sudo passwd root
[07:20] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: didnt like qt parted and the restriction with that nstall.
[07:20] <Ede> yes, i have read it
[07:20] <OrangeRoot1000> nubbe: i have yet to play with the ubuntu server setup
[07:20] <Ede> so i set the root pw
[07:21] <Ede> hehe, now it works fine
[07:21] <georges> ede I did not set it and works fine so far
[07:22] <OrangeRoot1000> kk gonna jet
[07:23] <ixion> is there such a group as everybody ?
[07:23] <ixion> or everyone etc
[07:24] <georges> ixion why do you need this? no, I think there's nothing like that
[07:25] <ixion> ive mounted a fat32 partition to save my mp3's into incase I ever want to access it from a windows machine, have made it world writable, but cant create folders  unless I sudo
[07:25] <hawke_> ixion: world-writable should do it.
[07:26] <Blissex> ixion: 'man 8 mount' look for the 'umask', 'uid' and 'gid' options.
[07:26] <hawke_> ixion: the directory probably needs to be world-executable as well.
[07:26] <ixion> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 16384 2005-03-28 18:23 mp3
[07:26] <georges> chmod a+w mp3
[07:26] <hawke_> ixion: yeah, it needs to be world-writable.
[07:26] <georges> or
[07:26] <ixion> is 777 not world writabel?
[07:26] <hawke_> georges: doesn't apply to fat filesystems
[07:26] <ixion> er writable
[07:26] <hawke_> ixion: drwxr-xr-x is not world-writable
[07:26] <georges> hawke_ oops didn't get hat :-)
[07:26] <ixion> oh.. I used chmod 777 -R
[07:27] <pere_> Blissex: Creating that symlink seemed to help. The tutorial says the last part of the install should be done without X running... so Im gone...:-) Thanks for the help....
[07:27] <hawke_> ixion: you need to use the umask parameter in fstab
[07:27] <hawke_> ixion: umask=000 in the options column
[07:27] <ixion> um, ill man 8 mount I guess :)
[07:27] <lachoss> hi!
[07:28] <nubbe> I just ran chkrootkit
[07:28] <nubbe> eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[6623] )
[07:28] <omni_lonnie> ixion:  and/or use the uid parameter in fstab to make your user the "owner" of the mounted files.
[07:28] <nubbe> what's that?
[07:28] <airox> nubbe: Nothing to wurry about.
[07:28] <airox> nubbe: Just the dhcp client.
[07:28] <georges> chkrootkit somtimes gives false positives
[07:28] <nubbe> airox, thank u  :)
[07:29] <airox> This isn't false though.
[07:29] <lachoss> i'm running hoary and when i plug my usb card reader with a card in an icon for it used to appear on the desktop. now it doesn't appear anymore. it doesn't appear on the places menu either. however it does get mounted on /media/usbdisk. what's the program that is supposed to put the icon on the desktop? any ideas on what may be going wrong? thanks!
[07:30] <nubbe> airox, are there any docs for it?
[07:30] <randabis> In Soviet Russia, USB card reads you!
[07:30] <nubbe> airox, I just ran it as is only flag was -q
[07:30] <osity> hey my server says it could not start x because of some internal error.....it
[07:31] <osity> it
[07:31] <airox> server and x ? :))
[07:31] <osity> it's a two day old install
[07:31] <nubbe> airox, Just wondering if that's good enough?
[07:31] <osity> hey yo airox
[07:31] <ixion> I cant see the drive mentioned in fstab - I have only just created its file system - do I need to reload fstab or something?
[07:31] <airox> hi osity
[07:31] <airox> nubbe: Yeah good enough.
[07:31] <nubbe> airox, thanks again
[07:32] <osity> how would i check to the what the internal error is?
[07:32] <airox> osity: /var/log/X.org blabla
[07:32] <Goshawk> what about this problem at boot time "t_kernel_font: invalid argument" ?
[07:33] <Blissex> ixion: no, just umount and remount
[07:33] <helio7> Does anyone know an easier way?  I am [[[ copying with Cntrl+C ascii text in GPG block from my gmail account (webbased email) and then in term/vim pasting into a new file with Cntrl+Shift+V  then I save it (:wq) and run 'gpg --decrypt filename' ] ] ]  I can't figure out howto pipe the contents of what's in the "buffer" or "clipboard" through a commandline argument like gpg
[07:33] <lok> does someone know how remove all packages I install from a specific repository ?
[07:33] <Blissex> helio7: 'echo'
[07:34] <ixion> hmm still no mention of /dev/sdb1 in fstab
[07:34] <osity> there is no x.org log in the log directory....
[07:34] <airox> osity: Xorg ?
[07:35] <helio7> Blissex: echo? I'd like to be able to just type "grabclipboard | gpg --decrypt and have it decode the buffer without having to manually write an intermediate file
[07:35] <osity> nope....jsut 2 xfree86 logs
[07:35] <airox> osity: You are using xfree86 ?
[07:36] <airox> osity: Warty ?
[07:38] <SeeleyUSMC> Yay! I am using KDE now :)
[07:38] <helio7> I've been poring over man xclipboard and xcutsel but cannot figure out how to dump the contents of the clipboard into a file... anyone know?
[07:40] <tojileon> 8.2 earthquake registered off Sumatra. Get the folks off the beach. Spread the word to anyone in the region. http://msnbc.msn.com/ID/7316846/
[07:41] <lok> does someone use starter bar
[07:41] <lok> with gdesklets?
[07:41] <hawke_> tojileon: fuck 'em ... there's too many people on this planet anyway.
[07:42] <mikep> helio7: try cat man xclipboard > filename
[07:42] <helio7> mikep: thank you
[07:43] <tojileon> hawke_, "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others"
[07:43] <osity> airox....x86 warty ...yes.....
[07:43] <osity> this is for PC right
[07:43] <Roey> tojileon:  hehe
[07:43] <helio7> mikep: well that would print 'man xclipboard' into a file right?  I want to actually print what's IN my clipboard into a file
[07:43] <Roey> tojileon:  people bandy around "ancient African" like it's some sort of mysteriuos undecipherable language that all Africans speak :)
[07:43] <Roey> tojileon:  like Asian :)
[07:44] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know how to make XChat have the transparent background?
[07:45] <georges> SeeleyUSMC:  I just did that
[07:45] <SeeleyUSMC> georges, do tell!
[07:45] <georges> SeeleyUSMC: settings->preferences->text box->Transparent background
[07:46] <Bukkake> !ping
[07:46] <SeeleyUSMC> georges: that was easy enough :)
[07:46] <georges> SeeleyUSMC: I also enavbles tins shade and set all the sliders to 50
[07:47] <georges> and "show marker line" is also cool
[07:47] <helio7> Roey: if anyone were to state what the actual language was that the word came from most people wouldn't understand anyway... don't you think African is a bit simpler?  I think its effective for diffusing negative creepy stuff from a channel when it goes off-topic
[07:47] <SeeleyUSMC> cool!
[07:47] <Roey> helio7:  :)
[07:47] <Roey> helio7:  like saying "indian"
[07:47] <Roey> helio7:  "yo man I speak Indian yo"
[07:47] <Roey> haha
[07:47] <georges> helio7: or european...
[07:47] <airox> How would I bind a command to ctrl + alt ?
[07:48] <georges> airox: I won't do that. rather ctrl-alt-key
[07:48] <mikep> helio7: have you tried "copy-paste"
[07:48] <airox> georges: Well it would be ctrl + alt + arrow key <-
[07:48] <hawke_> tojileon: Fine...excess people can die humanely, that's OK with me.
[07:49] <georges> airox: system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts
[07:49] <airox> georges: I want a specific command (3ddesk) to bind to a key combo.
[07:49] <helio7> Roey: the difference between "Sanskrit" and AN ancient Indian. language.. not a big difference...  one of many...  I would like to know the language's name myself but don't... I'm not personally under the illusion that all Africans speak a common tongue
[07:49] <georges> airox: ah... hmmm
[07:49] <helio7> mikep: copy+paste on the command line?
[07:50] <webmoof> if you manually setup a partition will it destroy your data?
[07:50] <Roey> helio7:  ah, ok (please don't get the impression that I was accusing you personally :)
[07:50] <helio7> mikep: i'm working in the terminal... trying to execute gpg on a copied block of text; i'm not aware of how to paste it directly into a command-line argument
[07:50] <^thehatsrule^> webmoof, depends on how you do it ;p
[07:51] <^thehatsrule^> middle button?
[07:51] <helio7> Roey: I don't at all... i guess i was disheartened by the crudeness of the troll's comment about the earthquake; I need to learn to ignore trolls (= your point is a good one
[07:51] <^thehatsrule^> or, if you dont, have a middle button press first and second buttons together
[07:52] <Bukkake> !ping
[07:52] <^thehatsrule^> pong?!
[07:52] <georges> airox: http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=14
[07:53] <mikep> helio7: cp <source file> <destination directory/file>
[07:53] <Roey> does GNOME have anything like dcop where you can issue commands from the command line?
[07:53] <Roey> for scripting and such?
[07:53] <Bazzi> err?
[07:53] <hawke_> helio7: gpg -  and then paste the copied text into the terminal window.
[07:54] <Bazzi> Roey why not using $script_language
[07:54] <helio7> mikep: the whole thing is <source file> doesn't exist... it's a webmail client, and I'm trying to streamline the decryption process by not having to create that file in the first place
[07:54] <helio7> ahh will try that hawke_
[07:54] <Roey> Bazzi:  because sometimes you want to bang out one-liners
[07:54] <Roey> Bazzi:  does gnome even have an IPC mechanism?
[07:54] <Bazzi> well those languages have tht as well :o
[07:54] <Roey> Bazzi:  that's stable and integrated?
[07:55] <Bazzi> I use stuff like php for such things currently :)
[07:55] <Roey> ah, ok :)
[07:55] <Bazzi> well I'm all new to gnome myself so dunno
[07:55] <[nrx_] > allo folks
[07:55] <Roey> Bazzi:  what I'm getting at is, is there anything like dcop but for gnome?
[07:55] <Bazzi> I dunno dcop :(
[07:55] <[nrx_] > does anyone know of a gui partition application like partitionmagic for linux?
[07:56] <Roey> oh
[07:56] <[nrx_] > need to resize on the fly
[07:56] <^thehatsrule^> qtparted
[07:56] <Bazzi> ah KDE stuff :o
[07:56] <Roey> Bazzi:  well dcop just makes it possibel to manipulate interfaces that apps "publish"
[07:56] <^thehatsrule^> is gui
[07:56] <Roey> *possible
[07:56] <^thehatsrule^> based on parted... which is useful :)
[07:56] <[nrx_] > cool
[07:57] <Bazzi> I havent heard of anything like that for gnome
[07:57] <nydust> how do i change the resolution?
[07:58] <^thehatsrule^> use video preferences in gnome?
[07:59] <Bazzi> Roey looks like you want kubuntu hehehe
[08:00] <salvo> hey there people
[08:00] <salvo> does anyone here know how to dial-up using ADSL using hte Hoary ?
[08:01] <[nrx_] > anyone used qtparted?
[08:01] <Roey> Bazzi:  I installed kubuntu (well basically ubunut + kubuntu kde packages)
[08:01] <Bazzi> ah :)
[08:01] <^thehatsrule^> i have ofc ;p
[08:01] <Roey> Bazzi:  I'm freaking out.. it's been two weeks and I have all these problems with it in general
[08:01] <^thehatsrule^> [nrx]  i mean
[08:01] <Roey> Bazzi:  lilo won't boot my amd64 kernels
[08:01] <Bazzi> yay :/
[08:01] <salvo> mine boots perfectly
[08:01] <Bazzi> what error do you get?
[08:01] <salvo> AMD64
[08:01] <[nrx_] > well, can i just resize the partition and then create another (for swap) with the space left and it'll go and do it on the fly?
[08:01] <^thehatsrule^> yep
[08:02] <^thehatsrule^> the only problem i encountered... was that i couldnt make fat32 partitions somehow...
[08:02] <[nrx_] > ^thehatsrule^, cept, when i click on resize and get it to the size I want and click okay, I get a blank prompt with an "OK" button and it returns to the main screen with no changes at all
[08:02] <^thehatsrule^> maybe i got an old one :P
[08:03] <^thehatsrule^> uhm, once you got your 'final' draft, you have to click apply all changes
[08:03] <^thehatsrule^> or some similar button
[08:03] <[nrx_] > yeah, but it doesn't show any changes on the main screen as though it's showing what i'm going to be doing
[08:03] <^thehatsrule^> and it has to be run in root... if you havent already
[08:03] <[nrx_] > i am
[08:03] <^thehatsrule^> odd...
[08:04] <^thehatsrule^> maybe just open it again, apply the change you want even if it doesnt show? lol
[08:04] <^thehatsrule^> or just try commandline parted :P
[08:04] <[nrx_] > that's scary
[08:05] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:05] <[nrx_] > oh dear...
[08:05] <[nrx_] > Warning: Unable to align partition properly.  This probably means that another partitioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it didn't have the correct BIOS geometry.  It is safe to ignore,but ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders.
[08:05] <[nrx_] > Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.
[08:05] <[nrx_] > Error: Partition /dev/hda1 is being used.
[08:05] <[nrx_] > Error: Partition /dev/hda1 is being used.
[08:05] <[nrx_] > Error: Partition /dev/hda1 is being used.
[08:06] <^thehatsrule^> oh yea, if youre resizing that partition... you have to unmount it first ofc
[08:06] <[nrx_] > i only have one partition...
[08:06] <[nrx_] > and i'm on it
[08:06] <^thehatsrule^> oh i suppose with ubuntu you cant unmount it?
[08:07] <[nrx_] > well, you can't unmount the parition you're on, can you?
[08:07] <^thehatsrule^> hmmm...
[08:07] <^thehatsrule^> well you can, if you load the basics onto your ram
[08:07] <^thehatsrule^> im not sure if you can with ubuntu tho
[08:07] <^thehatsrule^> i use DSL for most of this... lol
[08:07] <^thehatsrule^> mepis works too
[08:08] <[nrx_] > DSL?
[08:08] <^thehatsrule^> are you sure theres no resizing tool in ubuntu already?
[08:08] <kbrooks> damn small linux
[08:08] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[08:08] <[nrx_] > i see
[08:08] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, none. apt-get install qtparted
[08:08] <[nrx_] > kbrooks, that's what i did
[08:09] <^thehatsrule^> hehe thats what i said ;p
[08:09] <dealmo720> use a live cd!
[08:09] <[nrx_] > no cd drive
[08:09] <[nrx_] > ;p
[08:09] <^thehatsrule^> for some reason, you can modify things in your ramdisk in dsl... i couldnt do it in ubuntu tho?
[08:09] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:09] <^thehatsrule^> how did you install then? :P
[08:09] <[nrx_] > debian boot floppies, atp-get's over the network to an ubuntu CD in another pc with samba
[08:09] <[nrx_] > hah
[08:10] <[nrx_] > beat that.
[08:10] <lok> ^thehatsrule^, WHAT ????
[08:10] <^thehatsrule^> ahem... i prolly just didnt modify ramdisk= in the boot options sorry :P
[08:11] <Xappe> hmm, i've got a tarball with a folder tree that is the same as /usr (it's a program that's to be installed into /usr/bin /usr/share and so on). How do I untar it so that the files go where they are supposed to go without destroying my /usr directory?
[08:11] <lok> [nrx] , use a live-cd and use the qtparted gparted or parted for partitionning your hd
[08:12] <^thehatsrule^> lok, so i suppose you have to change how much ram it uses?
[08:12] <[nrx_] > lok, i do not have a cd drive
[08:13] <^thehatsrule^> nrx, you have a usb? floppy?
[08:13] <lok> ^thehatsrule^, there's NOTHING to do with your ram when you wants to partitioning your hd
[08:13] <^thehatsrule^> what do you have then? ;p
[08:13] <[nrx_] > floppy
[08:13] <[nrx_] > and a used stick
[08:13] <[nrx_] > er
[08:13] <[nrx_] > usb
[08:13] <nydust> why do i get an big white box on my mouse if i go higer then 1024x768 i used 1400x before i updated to hoary
[08:13] <^thehatsrule^> lok, yes, but i couldnt install anything when i booted off default options on ubuntu
[08:14] <grogoreo> hi
[08:14] <^thehatsrule^> [nrx] , then if you got working floppy/usb or a bootable usb, try dsl
[08:15] <grogoreo> when I updated to Hoary via APT I think my said is mest up. I ran play a CD by pressing the play button on the CD Drive and can alter the  sound with the master setting but not play it with the Gnome CD Player
[08:15] <Ubabe> ...actually, just after a decent MP3 player for Gnome, that'll run on Ubuntu PPC (i.e Macintosh)
[08:16] <[nrx_] > xmms?
[08:16] <grogoreo> Ubabe, have you tried VLC?
[08:16] <Xappe> Ubabe: beep media player or xmms
[08:16] <Ubabe> im trying XMMS
[08:16] <Ubabe> it plays better than all the MP3 players that have run on Gnome and crashed
[08:17] <^thehatsrule^> lok? :S
[08:17] <Ubabe> but the interface is so tiny its not true
[08:17] <[nrx_] > xmms is the dogs bollocks
[08:17] <[nrx_] > Ubabe, depends on the skin you use
[08:17] <Ubabe> havent tried beem media player
[08:17] <folta> wish me luck guys, i'm rebooting with a new kernel for th 1st time ever
[08:17] <ixion> is there a way to restart the sound system, when I try play a sound/mp3 it tells me it cant open for writing
[08:17] <[nrx_] > folta, good luck :)
[08:17] <Ubabe> HOW on earth do ya change the skin on this bugger?! :P
[08:17] <folta> bye for now
[08:18] <Xappe> Ubabe, put a skin in the skins directory and change skin in the prefs?
[08:18] <Ubabe> I just have the default skin loaded, wtf am im gonna find skins? im guessing Synaptic will let me choose yeah?
[08:18] <dazed_> how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[08:19] <Xappe> Ubabe, you can download skins from the xmms site or from winamp
[08:19] <Xappe> (xmms is conpatible with winamp skins)
[08:19] <Ubabe> Winamp skins are compatible with XMMS then??
[08:19] <Ubabe> aha
[08:19] <dazed_> anyone?
[08:19] <nydust> do hoary use xorg?
[08:19] <dryad> nydust: yes
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> yes hoary does
[08:20] <djst> is there some page on the ubuntu site that tells you what changes are made every day? for example, i downloaded over 100 updates today, i'd like to see a list of what's new
[08:20] <Cred> Someone please, please help me to get sound work properly. Rhythmbox, system sounds nor Flash sounds work but Totem for example does work.
[08:20] <Bazzi> what did warty use? xfree?
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> yes
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> by default if you mean :P
[08:20] <Bazzi> thats why so many people are asking what hoary uses :D
[08:20] <Bazzi> yes by default of course
[08:20] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[08:21] <Bazzi> you can get anything anyway, thats the one and only beauty of linux ;)
[08:21] <^thehatsrule^> Cred.. change the sound plugin?
[08:21] <[nrx_] > Cred, does rythmbox give any errors?
[08:21] <ixion> is there a way to restart the sound system, when I try play a sound/mp3 it tells me it cant open for writing
[08:21] <nydust> why does my resolution fuck up on xorg and not in xfree. I did just update warty to hoary? the screen splits in 2 parts and i get a mirror like effect and a withe box on my mouse. Do any have a cloue?
[08:22] <grogoreo> nybust, did you remove your xfree86 packages?
[08:22] <Cred> [nrx_] , yes. Before it said cannot open resource for writing or something like that. Now it says ALSA device "default" does not exist. and also "Could not pause playback"
[08:22] <ixion> nydust, sounds like a refreshrate/resolution problem?
[08:22] <nydust> grogoreo, it was a fresh install and i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:22] <^thehatsrule^> ixion, kill all sound apps, and esd, restart esd
[08:22] <Cred> [nrx_] , AFAIK all required ALSA thingies are installed.
[08:23] <nydust> ixion, maybe it is. how do i correct it?
[08:23] <grogoreo> nydust, have you looked in your config?
[08:23] <[nrx_] > have you checked the alsamixer?
[08:23] <grogoreo> nydust, in /etc/X11?
[08:23] <ixion> run the xorg configuration
[08:23] <nydust> grogoreo, yeah. it looks good
[08:23] <Cred> [nrx_] , alsamixer says
[08:23] <Cred> "No mixer elms found"
[08:24] <Cred> elems even
[08:24] <grogoreo> nydust, what graphics card have you got?
[08:24] <nydust> ati mobile radeon 9000
[08:24] <Cred> [nrx_] , Multimedia Systems Selector also gives error.
[08:24] <[nrx_] > Cred, to be honest - I've just gotten over my own fair share of problems with alsa.. someone in here called crimsun sorted it all out for me so i'm not much help beyond the basics
[08:24] <grogoreo> nydust, have you installed the fglrx-driver's?
[08:24] <[nrx_] > Cred, what card do you ahve?
[08:25] <nydust> grogoreo, no. where are thay?
[08:25] <grogoreo> use apt
[08:25] <grogoreo> synaptic
[08:25] <grogoreo> do a search for fglrx
[08:25] <Cred> [nrx_] , hmm.. yea. I think crimsun did help me few days ago to get it partly working but that's about it. I got sound in Rhythm but not in anything else and now it's vs.
[08:25] <grogoreo> and make sure you choose the xorg ones, not xfree86
[08:25] <christian> does someone now how to install my WLAN card D-Link DWL-610?
[08:25] <Seveas> xorg-driver-fglrx it is
[08:25] <Cred> [nrx_] , SB Live, nForce 2.. That's realtek or something.
[08:26] <[nrx_] > Cred, yeah
[08:26] <Cred> [nrx_] , and I don't care which of these works the best. I just want sounds damnit :)
[08:26] <[nrx_] > christian, you could try ndiswrapper
[08:26] <gratuit> christian: I have a dlink installed using ndiswrapper
[08:26] <[nrx_] > christian, alternatively, I use acx_pci for my DWL-G650+ XTreme
[08:27] <nydust> thanks are installing them now
[08:27] <neighborlee> anyone else having audio cd problems ( gnome-cd wont popup on audio cd insert and when it does I just get 'error' in display window ) and is there a known fix yet ..I use hoary preview release.
[08:27] <christian> i have tried ndiswrapper, but i cant get it work
[08:27] <[nrx_] > christian, do a search on google for "acx_pci"
[08:28] <gratuit> christian: did you use the driver included on the cd?
[08:28] <n3x> can i use the ATI fglrx driver for a Mobility Radeon 9700 card ?
[08:29] <christian> gratuit: no i didnt use the driver from the cd, i downloaded a driver
[08:29] <gratuit> [nrx_] : try dillo?
[08:30] <gratuit> christian: and when you run ndiswrapper -l, what do you see?
[08:30] <christian> Installed ndis drivers:
[08:30] <christian> net8180 driver present
[08:31] <nydust> do i have to restart x after the install?
[08:31] <gratuit> christian: try using the driver that was included on the cd
[08:31] <PuGz> man... e17 looks wicked! i want it already!
[08:31] <gego> hi
[08:31] <gratuit> PuGz: it's pretty usable, I've been playing with it some
[08:32] <gego> im testing ubunto runing from a live disc...:)
[08:32] <PuGz> gratuit, on ubuntu?
[08:32] <gratuit> PuGz: and the team made it really easy to compile debian(read ubuntu) packages
[08:32] <gratuit> PuGz: yeah
[08:32] <PuGz> did you use a deb or compile?
[08:32] <^thehatsrule^> e17?
[08:33] <Ubabe> one more stupid quesion before my night is through
[08:33] <gratuit> PuGz: I compiled creating debian packages
[08:33] <nydust> thanks its working
[08:33] <Ubabe> my wastebasket under Gnome for all appearances seems to have gone missing
[08:33] <gratuit> PuGz: I should say .debs since they were for ubuntu not debian
[08:33] <PuGz> ^thehatsrule^, enlightenment v17
[08:33] <Ubabe> dunno what key combination i pressed to make it dissapear
[08:33] <gratuit> PuGz: I think there is even an unofficial deb repository out there somewhere though
[08:33] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[08:34] <grogoreo> nydust, if your not going to use xfree86 i would remove all traces of it, just so its cleans up your directories if you have any other problems in the future
[08:34] <PuGz> gratuit, really!?
[08:34] <gratuit> PuGz: but last time I looked, the packages were kind of old
[08:34] <PuGz> gratuit, do you still recommend compile?
[08:34] <Ubabe> im using my mac laptop, which im trying to turn into a Linux sound machine
[08:34] <PuGz> gratuit, yeah... they do that!
[08:34] <gratuit> PuGz: from early february I think
[08:34] <nydust> grogoreo, do i need xfree86?
[08:34] <PuGz> gratuit, any major bugs?
[08:34] <grogoreo> nydust, not now you've got xorg
[08:34] <reggansa> Anyone got mono working yet, apt-get or otherwise?
[08:34] <nydust> oki
[08:34] <grogoreo> nydust, i find xorg better
[08:34] <gego> ubade:nice
[08:34] <nydust> is it faster?
[08:34] <gratuit> PuGz: it's kind of a pain to configure
[08:35] <gratuit> PuGz: but it runs fine for me
[08:35] <grogoreo> nydust, well I found it alltogether more, as I firstly had problems with the login screen as it was a different resolution to my normal desktop. now its the same.
[08:35] <nydust> grogoreo, how do i remove it?
[08:35] <PuGz> gratuit, how so?
[08:35] <folta> heya again - didn't work
[08:35] <grogoreo> nydust, use synaptic
[08:35] <folta> it booted etc, but x didn;t start
[08:36] <grogoreo> nydust, do a search for xfree86
[08:36] <folta> something with the nvidia stuff i'm using
[08:36] <nydust> thanks
[08:36] <grogoreo> nydust, remove 'xserver-xfree86'
[08:36] <gratuit> PuGz: the config tools just arn't very polished yet, and everything is stored in binary format, so there are no text files you can modify(for menu entries, etc)
[08:36] <gratuit> PuGz: I'm sure that will get better with time
[08:36] <PuGz> gratuit, binary format! yikes!
[08:36] <christian> gratuit: i get an error when i try to install the driver from the cd
[08:36] <ubuntu_> anyone know if its possible to save aptitude settings (i.e. packages that are marked A) and restore on another compuer
[08:36] <grogoreo> nydust, and basically anything else called xfree86 (but dont go in a frenzy deleting everything!)
[08:36] <ubuntu_> ala dpkg --get-selection --set-selections
[08:37] <PuGz> gratuit, yeah... time.... always time... hehe.... i want magic development instantly (perfect world)
[08:37] <gsuveg> re
[08:38] <gego> well now im gonna get back in win and downloade the real verson...muhuhahahahahahah
[08:38] <Ubabe> im trying to get XMMS to play my remote MP3's im not having much luck there either
[08:38] <gsuveg> how can i change to at login start the kdm dont gdm?
[08:38] <gratuit> christian: well, if the card is atheros based,(use lspci to find out) then there is a native kernel module out there written for it, I've never used it but I'm pretty sure you could find it on google
[08:39] <reggansa> Ubabe, I haven't either.  I have to mount the share, then play. kinda sucks.
[08:40] <gratuit> reggansa: what's the alternative
[08:40] <gratuit> ?
[08:40] <gratuit> how would you play remote mp3s without mounting a share?
[08:41] <christian> gratuit: i have installed the driver from the cd now, but it still does not show in system-admin-networking
[08:41] <reggansa> gratuit: No, you are correct. You have to mount the share. I haven't found a way around it either.
[08:41] <gratuit> christian: what does ndiswrapper -l give you now?
[08:41] <cavediver> Anyone know how to enable true transparancy in hoary (x.org) ??
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> thers a way to make an itunes server. :P
[08:41] <gratuit> reggansa: no, I mean why would you want a way around it?
[08:41] <christian> net8180 driver present
[08:41] <christian> netdlwl driver present
[08:41] <christian> netdwl  invalid driver!
[08:42] <Ubabe> reggansa, how do i get XMMS to see the share though??
[08:42] <PuGz> i had to recompile my driver when i used ndiswrapper to allow 8K stacks... default is 4K and some windows drivers need 8K... the option is in kernel hacking
[08:42] <Ubabe> what directory would a shared drive be in with reference to /  ?
[08:42] <reggansa> ubabe: Just point xmms to the mount point.
[08:42] <Ubabe> ...that qn and wtf has my wastebasket gone? :(
[08:42] <gratuit> christian: hmm, when I do that I see 'neta3ab driver present, hardware present'
[08:43] <gratuit> christian: you did modprobe ndiswrapper right?
[08:43] <cavediver> Noone have true transparancy on their desktops ?
[08:43] <christian> gratuit: yes
[08:43] <reggansa> gratuit: like using nautilus browser, and playing the mp3.
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> cavediver,  nope.. :P
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> cavediver,  its one of those 'not quite ready for prime time' features
[08:44] <gratuit> christian: sorry, no idea
[08:44] <randabis> cavediver, I have a fully transparent terminal window
[08:44] <cavediver> Dr_Willis: really ? It is supposed to work in x,org 6.8
[08:44] <cavediver> I have 6.8.2
[08:44] <cavediver> Will try
[08:44] <cavediver> Found out how to enable in now
[08:45] <bur[n] er> mounting is the only way i know how Ubabe
[08:45] <christian> gratuit: do i need to restart after i installed th driver?
[08:45] <bur[n] er> mount -t smbfs blahblah
[08:45] <gratuit> christian: no
[08:46] <gratuit> christian: like I pasted a while back, ndiswrapper detected that my hardware was present, so if it's not showing that to you, I think that's your problem
[08:47] <PuGz> blackbox 0.70 in ubuntu?
[08:48] <gratuit> PuGz: apt-cache show blackbox
[08:48] <PuGz> no... only 0.65
[08:48] <Warhammer> [Xscript]  v[8.1b]  by[Xcite]  - [Get it at www.xscript.2ya.com] 
[08:48] <gratuit> PuGz: there is your answer
[08:48] <Dalkus> PuGz, just download the source?
[08:49] <PuGz> Dalkus, ok... but it would be nicer if it was in deb format... better integrated into ubuntu then
[08:49] <PuGz> are they working on it?
[08:49] <PuGz> or is that unknown?
[08:49] <christian> gratuit: the hardware is present, it works in windows....
[08:49] <Dalkus> PuGz, not sure, google for a .deb pack
[08:49] <Dalkus> I'm sure someone has packaged it somewhere
[08:49] <Ubabe> haha! sorted the mounting bit! :D
[08:49] <cavediver> Do i need to do anything else than enable the "Extension" section in x.org to enable transparancy ?
[08:49] <gratuit> christian: I believe you, but ndiswrapper wasn't reporting it when you did 'ndiswrapper -l'
[08:49] <Ubabe> thanks reggansa and bur[n] er :)
[08:50] <alterim> hey
[08:50] <alterim> can someone help me with some synaptic questions
[08:50] <^thehatsrule^> just ask away... and hope someone answers :P
[08:50] <^thehatsrule^> correctly that is
[08:50] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[08:51] <christian> gratuit: so you have no idea what i can do
[08:51] <alterim> ok
[08:51] <Ubabe> erm, mounts on a Debian machine, where can one fine them?
[08:51] <alterim> why, when i have the cd as the only repository, and click refresh, is there no cd activity?
[08:52] <Dalkus> Ubabe, Wherever you put it :) Did you mount it yourself? what are you looking for?
[08:52] <memsoft> hi everybody
[08:52] <alterim> why, when i check something to be installed, something that has become available by adding the cd to the repository, is there no cd activity when i apply the install?
[08:52] <reggansa> ubabe: ie- mount -t smbfs -o username=ubabe //server/share /mnt/mountpoint
[08:52] <reggansa> ubabe: mount would be in /mnt
[08:53] <WeirdAl> Will my Hauppage WinTV card work in Ubuntu?
[08:53] <alterim> i take it noone can help me with my simple synaptic question...
[08:53] <Dalkus> alterim, give people a chance..! :)
[08:54] <Ubabe> Dalkus, i mounted it myself, is just that XMMS doesnt let me select anything aside from / and whatever
[08:54] <Ubabe> so would i need to do // then the name of the mount??
[08:54] <alterim> aka you don't know the answer
[08:54] <Dalkus> alterim, there should be some CD activity if it's installng from the CD........
[08:54] <Warhammer> hi, i've a ptoblem with ububuntu: i have windows 95 installed on one of my partions, windows xp on another and i've ust installed ubuntu o the third one. all on the same disk. the problem is that when i try to launch win XP it says that the file \system32\hal.dll needs to be reinstalled and that windows can't load. i've used the installation disk of win XP to try to repair this y copying the missing file from the cd but when i choose 
[08:54] <Dalkus> alainm, dont be so uptight and rude, people are busy.
[08:54] <WeirdAl> alterim, what was the question?
[08:54] <christian> gratuit: i can see the wlan card in device manager, but it stands dwl-510, not dwl-610
[08:55] <Dalkus> Ubabe, your trying to load a CD in xmms? Or an mp3?
[08:55] <reggansa> xmms
[08:55] <WeirdAl> sorry
[08:55] <WeirdAl> Didn't press tab enough
[08:55] <alterim> WeirdAl
[08:55] <WeirdAl> alainm, what was the question?
[08:55] <alterim> i have the ubuntu CD as the only repository
[08:55] <WeirdAl> oh
[08:55] <alterim> yet when i go to install an unmarked package
[08:56] <alterim> there is NO disk activity
[08:56] <dockane> where do i disable the function that ubunut wants to try to sync with a time server at bootup ?
[08:56] <alterim> i do not get this, at all
[08:56] <WeirdAl> Does it do nothing?
[08:56] <Dalkus> alterim, can you see the files on the cd through a terminal?
[08:56] <alterim> Dalkus haven't checked
[08:56] <WeirdAl> Or do you get an error?
[08:56] <alterim> the point is...
[08:56] <alterim> when i go Edit > Add CD
[08:56] <Dalkus> alterim, check if you can view the files on the cd, perhaps it isnt mounted properlly
[08:57] <alterim> a load of unchecked packages appear
[08:57] <alterim> and when i check a package to be installed
[08:57] <berstein> Hello.  Anyone having "fork(): Memory allocation error" kernel errors?
[08:57] <alterim> it says xxx kb installed then underneath that it says something like '2154 to be downloaded'
[08:57] <berstein> kernel: 2.6.10 for 686
[08:57] <ixion> is it possible to load a module manually - without adding it to /etc/modules and rebooting or whatever?
[08:57] <alterim> then i click apply, and low and behold, it actually says 'installation complete'
[08:57] <alterim> even though it hasn't accessed the CD!!
[08:57] <Roey> ixion:  modprobe <modulename>
[08:58] <Ubabe> Dalkus, im trying to play some MP3's that are located on another computer, ive managed to mount an SMB network link that appears on my desktop
[08:58] <alterim> infact i dont even need to have the cd in the drive, and it will still appear to 'install' packages
[08:58] <alterim> this is too stupid
[08:58] <Ubabe> just doesnt seem to be any way to access this mount point from XMMS :(
[08:58] <WeirdAl> It'll say downloaded, but it means from the CD
[08:58] <cavediver> Ohh.. it sure was sloooow :=
[08:58] <ixion> hmm ok, that didnt work: Im getting - ALSA lib confmisc.c:550:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0
[08:58] <beowuff> alterim, are the packages actually installed? Do you have network activity when it does this?
[08:59] <Dalkus> Ubabe, hmm I've never tried to do that. Have you tried //ip-of-computer-with-music/folder-of-mp3s ?
[08:59] <alterim> there is no net connection on the machine
[08:59] <ixion> I can get sound to work from xmms using OSS
[08:59] <alterim> and the ONLY repository is the CD
[08:59] <ixion> alsa and esd not working
[08:59] <Dalkus> er, sorry Ubabe - backslashes not forward shashes
[08:59] <Ubabe> ill try that now...
[08:59] <WeirdAl> alterim, if there's no net connection then it won't download the data from anywhere but the CD
[08:59] <tabatha> What line should I put in /etc/sudoers to let user foo run /sbin/poweroff without a password, and all other commands with a password?
[08:59] <alterim> but there is no CD activity
[08:59] <Dalkus> alterim, check if you can view the files on the cd....
[08:59] <WeirdAl> When it said "2154kb to be downloaded" did you say OK?
[08:59] <mbjones> I did a server install of ubuntu, and installed xorg and xfce4, however, startx does not work, nor does the X run from bootup, what am I missing?
[08:59] <alterim> it will still say installation complete even with no cd in the drive!!!
[09:00] <reggansa> ubabe: or try using the file manager and navigate to the folder, and right click the file and open with xmms
[09:00] <alterim> it doesnt actually say kb to be downlooaded
[09:00] <WeirdAl> And are you sure that the packages you're installing are the ones you're meant to find on the CD?
[09:00] <alterim> just 3513 to be downloaded
[09:00] <alterim> i don't know WeirdAl, i'm very new to it all
[09:00] <ixion> actually - alsa works fine I think
[09:00] <alterim> but i know i have only the CD selected in the repos
[09:00] <ixion> can I set linux to use alsa as its default sound system/server?
[09:00] <alterim> and the installer is telling me x amount needs to be downloaded
[09:01] <alterim> but where from?!
[09:01] <Dalkus> alainm, did you read what I put....?
[09:01] <WeirdAl> alterim: from the CD ...
[09:01] <WeirdAl> sorry
[09:01] <WeirdAl> alainm
[09:01] <WeirdAl> :-\
[09:02] <Dalkus> Mrph.
[09:02] <mbjones> anyone?
[09:02] <mbjones> Just installed xorg and xfce4, how do I get it to run now?
[09:02] <Dalkus> startx ?
[09:03] <mbjones> not a valid commnd
[09:03] <Dalkus> eh?
[09:03] <mbjones> ?
[09:03] <Dalkus> try sudo apt-get install startx
[09:03] <mbjones> startx isn't installed
[09:03] <Dalkus> You should have that installed by default
[09:03] <reggansa> mbjones: you might want to create a file in you home dir call .xinitrc and add 'exec xfce4-session'
[09:03] <mbjones> I did a server install
[09:03] <pw> Hail, fellow Ubuntans.
[09:04] <mbjones> reggansa: Thanks, now how do I get it to run?
[09:04] <mbjones> reggansa: I'm still missing startx
[09:04] <pw> Could one of you fine individuals advise me as to how to inform XScreensaver's configure script that yes, I do have the OpenGL libraries installed? Because I do.
[09:04] <Nikki> Hi
[09:05] <reggansa> mbjones: does just typing 'X' work? use ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it...
[09:05] <thingy> pw: the way you do it...you say..."NOW listen here Xscreensaver you! I have opengl libraries dammit! and you accept that" or something like that
[09:05] <mbjones> reggansa: It was never running to begin with. I did a server/minimal install to avoid Gnome and KDE, then I installed xorg and xfce4, so X is not being ran on bootup
[09:05] <mjr> pw, probably you're missing the development files
[09:05] <dazed_> how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[09:05] <kkathman> I have an interesting development.  Last week I installed XFCE, but for some reason, I can no longer get to my native Gnome desktop anymore. It allows me to select it, but then it just freezes after clearing the screen, and never goes to the desktop itself.
[09:05] <Nikki> I was just about to install Ubuntu and thinking about using that as my main OS, however I just realised, is there a way to WRITE to NTFS partitions?, my main server is NTFS and I need to save almost all files there as laptop has very limited storage..
[09:05] <folta> can someone advise me on how to patch my kernel to support dvb telly without totally screwing up my system?
[09:05] <pw> thingy: I have tried that.
[09:05] <thingy> pw: lol
[09:06] <mjr> folta, you shouldn't have to
[09:06] <ama> no Nikki
[09:06] <WeirdAl> Nikki, there is but it's not safe at all.
[09:06] <pw> mjr: Actually, I'm not; the error is indeed that "More specifically, we found the headers, but not the libraries."
[09:06] <Nikki> Oh....
[09:06] <ama> and its not practical
[09:06] <folta> mjr, what do you mean?
[09:06] <WeirdAl> You're better off moving it onto a linux partition.
[09:06] <dazed_> Nikki: sadly but right now theres no way to right to NTFS its too unstable and itll get corrupt
[09:06] <mjr> folta, I mean that the base ubuntu kernel contains the usual dvb modules
[09:06] <WeirdAl> Nikki, you said server...
[09:06] <dazed_> Nikki: you can dual boot windows and linux though
[09:06] <WeirdAl> Is it on a remote system?
[09:07] <Nikki> yeah I can dual boot, but i still needed to swap data between NTFS and ext3, yeah its another machine on my LAN
[09:07] <folta> mjr, look here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NovaTHowTo/
[09:07] <folta> that's the card i'm using btw
[09:07] <WeirdAl> Well, Nikki, that's a different kettle of fish.
[09:07] <WeirdAl> The OS on the server will take care of writing to that NTFS partition.
[09:07] <ama> i would just samba then Nikki
[09:08] <WeirdAl> So as long as the server is running Windows you can use it... as long as you can get the network going.
[09:08] <Nikki> the OS is only win XP pro..
[09:08] <dazed_> how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[09:08] <Nikki> oh right, I'm trying to visualise how this would work
[09:08] <mbjones> reggansa: I was missing x-window-system-core or something
[09:08] <mbjones> reggansa: I'm installing it now
[09:08] <mjr> folta, interesting; Nova-T USB works fine with my default Ubuntu kernel
[09:08] <reggansa> mbjones: cool...
[09:08] <folta> what did you do exactly?
[09:08] <WeirdAl> Yeah. It's the OS on the remote machine that does that. When you write to the server, you actually tell Windows to write the data, so that will work fine.
[09:09] <WeirdAl> So even if you send it data from linux, the fact that you're sending it to Windows means that Windows will do the writing.
[09:09] <mjr> folta, in Warty, though, I have to manually load tda1004x (doesn't autoload) and create the device nodes, but neither really requires kernel patching
[09:09] <Nikki> ok so say I'm using Ubuntu, I should be able to see some mapped drives, like the E, F, and G drive like i do in XP right now, so from that i can copy paste data etc..
[09:09] <ixion> how stupid is this, I want to remove ESD but it tells me that gnome, evolution, etc etc depend on it ???
[09:10] <mjr> in Hoary, it works automagically (provided that the required firmware file is put in place)
[09:10] <WeirdAl> Nikki: Pretty much. You'll have to get someone else to help you with that though :)
[09:10] <folta> mjr, where do you get that file?
[09:10] <kkathman> Nikki, you should yes, but I have some similar probs with that also
[09:10] <Nikki> Hmm, so say I do manage to get this to work, is it reliable?
[09:10] <kkathman> I can see one of my windows boxes but not two others for some reason
[09:10] <WeirdAl> Now then. How do I use my TV card in Ubuntu? I'm currently in Windows watching telly and I don't want to be :-(
[09:11] <mjr> folta, for kernels >=2.6.10 there's a script in Documentation/dvb
[09:11] <dazed_> someone help? ... how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[09:11] <mjr> folta, for earlier kernels you need an earlier version of the firmware; I can send it if you need it
[09:11] <alterim> can someone help me with an error message???
[09:11] <kkathman> Nikki,  samba seems to be a little flaky at times and sees some boxes and not others, thought that may also be a function of what tool you are using to look at them
[09:11] <alterim> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
[09:11] <alterim> (unable to load Gnome - - is libgnome2-perl installed?)
[09:12] <alterim> debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
[09:12] <alterim> what does this mean?
[09:12] <mjr> folta, hmm, except it would seem that the USB model might use a different frontend driver than your thing
[09:12] <Vollstrecker> What wx Version is in Ubuntu atm?
[09:12] <Nikki> no i mean once i get the network running would saving the data be reliable or is there a possibility I might corrupt some files
[09:12] <mjr> folta, mine uses a tda10046, while the instructions there in the howto imply that CX22700 is used for the PCI card
[09:12] <folta> mjr, that's right, i checked
[09:13] <kkathman> I can consistently move files from windows to Linux with no problems Nikki...its just that Linux on, occasion, doesnt see the boxes :)
[09:13] <Nikki> Ah...
[09:13] <Nikki> Thanks a lot guys, you have been a BIG help :)
[09:13] <kkathman> I personally think that xfsamba has a prob
[09:13] <mjr> folta, so, it might be that the card doesn't work out of the box (or it might not)... :/
[09:13] <WeirdAl> np Nikki. Go with penguins.
[09:13] <alterim> any synaptic experts here?
[09:13] <kkathman> So does anyone have any idea why installing XFCE would corrupt Gnome?
[09:13] <Grock> hi how can I resolve dependenncies of ubuntu-desktop?
[09:13] <folta> mjr , assuming it does, do i just need to install mplayer and go?
[09:14] <mjr> folta, I'd try upgrading to Hoary before starting manual patching, but your call
[09:14] <folta> mjr , i have hoary, but i'm a total n00b
[09:14] <InitMass> is there any way to rotate jpg images in linux without quality loss?
[09:14] <Nikki> oh just one last question, to set up the network do I need to use Samba
[09:14] <hawke_> InitMass: yes
[09:14] <kkathman> Grock:  When you run apt-get you should get some outputs on the dependencies and you should just do those when you get them
[09:14] <hawke_> InitMass: jpegs rotate w/o quality loss, it's a feature of the format.
[09:14] <InitMass> hawke_, tell me how please?
[09:15] <mjr> folta, ok; well, then it (basically) should work like that (except I use xine), _if_ your card doesn't need a firmware file. If it does, you'll need to get that. Get the kernel sources and see Documentation/dvb
[09:15] <kkathman> Nikki:  Samba is necessary if you are sharing between Linux and Windows devices
[09:15] <InitMass> hawke_, so it doesn't matter which app i use then?
[09:15] <cisa> where to get xorg-devel package for building cedega from cvs
[09:15] <hawke_> InitMass: imagemagick, gimp, etc. should do it...
[09:15] <mjr> folta, linux-source-2.6.10 or something
[09:15] <Flonne> What about NFS, kkathman?
[09:15] <hawke_> InitMass: nope, not that I know of.
[09:15] <Nikki> Ah right, yeah I would need to use samba then
[09:15] <InitMass> hawke_, thanks
[09:15] <Grock> I installed a base Debian system, net install, edited the sources.list to hoary and now apt-get install ubuntu-desktop gives several screens of dependencies
[09:15] <mjr> InitMass, jpegtran will do that
[09:15] <alterim> kkathman i am sharing between linux and windows and i don't have samba
[09:15] <nfuck> I share files between my linuxboxes in samba too :P
[09:15] <kkathman> Nikki: If all your boxes are Linux, NFS will be sufficient
[09:15] <mjr> hmm, do gimp and imagemagick actually do lossless rotation of jpegs?
[09:15] <Grock> kkathman, that's alot to resolve manually
[09:15] <kkathman> alterim....how so....everything I've read says Samba
[09:16] <mjr> I just know for sure that jpegtran will
[09:16] <Nikki> nope thats the problem :), my main PC as windows and it uses NTFS, and my laptop will be linux
[09:16] <alterim> i have a fat32 partition
[09:16] <freakazoid> gthumb does lossless rotation of jpegs
[09:16] <kkathman> ahhh well ok alterim...I see
[09:16] <alterim> lol
[09:16] <hawke_> mjr: Not 100% sure of gimp.  But pretty sure of imagemagick at least
[09:16] <freakazoid> if you load, rotate, then save, it will not be lossless
[09:16] <nubbe> which FS is best, reiser or NFS?
[09:16] <kkathman> I was assuming non FAT
[09:16] <freakazoid> imagemagick is not lossless by default
[09:16] <freakazoid> use jpegtran
[09:16] <freakazoid> then you can be sure it's lossless
[09:16] <alterim> any synaptic pros?
[09:16] <freakazoid> or do lossless rotations with gthumb
[09:16] <folta> mjr, thanks, i'm onto it
[09:16] <alterim> i have synaptic questions that NEED proper answers
[09:16] <kkathman> if you are using the standard windows...NTFS I think Samba is required no?
[09:17] <nfuck> What filesystem should i use on a dump partition, when i have dual boot (Windows XP, Ubuntu)
[09:17] <beowuff> nubbe, reiser is a disk format. NFS is for sharing files on a network.
[09:17] <Flonne> NFS isn't a local filesystem, nubbe; it's an abstraction of exsting filesystems used for network access.
[09:17] <dealmo720> how can i play .mov with kaffeine?
[09:17] <mjr> folta, (and then there's the possible autodetection problems, but on Hoary my devices at least autodetects just fine)
[09:17] <nubbe> I thought it was NFS ext3  :)
[09:17] <Nikki> sorry?
[09:17] <InitMass> freakazoid, but with gthumb u have to rotate it while it's in the cam i think
[09:17] <Nikki> confused :S
[09:18] <cavediver> For some reason when i maximize a window, it also cover my panels. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case a few days ago :) Is this something new ?
[09:18] <kkathman> Nikki:  Why confused?
[09:18] <mjr> cavediver, do you use xcompmgr?
[09:18] <cavediver> Anyone know how to get the old behavor back in that case ?
[09:18] <Nikki> cos you said "if you are using the standard windows...NTFS I think Samba is required no?"
[09:18] <dazed_> someone help? ... how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[09:18] <cavediver> mjr: yes, but it's not running now.
[09:18] <nubbe> Flonne, what is ext3 then?
[09:18] <cavediver> i tried it a few minites ago
[09:18] <mjr> cavediver, well, it leaves it like that after too; killall gnome-panel
[09:18] <Flonne> Ext3 is basically just journalized Ext2.
[09:18] <beowuff> nubbe ext3 is a disk format like reiserfs.
[09:19] <mjr> cavediver, it'll restart and then things will be ok again
[09:19] <Nikki> or were you saying that to someone else
[09:19] <cavediver> mjr: I see..., that xcomp thing was awfully slow
[09:19] <dazed_> Nikki: for network file sharing between windows and linux u need samba...but its simple
[09:19] <kkathman> Nikki:  standardly, contemporary windows boxes use NTFS and Im pretty sure Samba is the only way to go to share that across a network
[09:19] <cavediver> mjr: hope the speed will improve :)
[09:19] <nubbe> ok, I thougt they were NFS ext2 and ext3...
[09:19] <kkathman> at least, its the easiest...or should be
[09:19] <InitMass> cavediver, ass du har dykt in i denna grotta ocks
[09:20] <dazed_> nubbe: nfs is a network controller not a file system
[09:20] <InitMass> freakazoid, sorry i was wrong
[09:20] <beowuff> nubbe. NFS has nothing to do with ext2 or ext3. It's a seperate thing.
[09:20] <cavediver> InitMass: yes. :=)
[09:20] <kkathman> I still have problems with my Linux box seeing all the Windows boxes, but all the Windows boxes can see the LInux :)
[09:20] <Grock> how can I downgrade using apt-get?
[09:20] <Flonne> Nope, but NFS will be able to access either of them... or any filesystem your kernel supports, for that matter.
[09:20] <mjr> cavediver, yeah well, it's not accelerated on most graphics hardware
[09:20] <cavediver> I see.
[09:20] <Nikki> Ah, ah ok i'll try ubunutu first, then when i feel like i can use it as my main OS i'll try setting up Samba :)
[09:20] <dazed_> kkathman: do you have samba installed?
[09:20] <mjr> cavediver, some guys are working on a thing called luminocity which does composite managing opengl-accelerated
[09:20] <nubbe> yeahm I got that finally  :)  what should I go with with clean install, reaiser or ext3?
[09:21] <kkathman> Nikki: the samba Wiki on the Ubuntu site is very good
[09:21] <cavediver> mjr: cool. Hope that will come soon
[09:21] <kkathman> dazed: yes
[09:21] <nfuck> Well, you can always use winSCP to send files between windows and linux/unix, but Samba is probably better ;)
[09:21] <Rene_S> busy day today 108 updates
[09:21] <mbjones> mjr: That would be good for the fglrx driver no?
[09:21] <mjr> mbjones, yes
[09:21] <dazed_> kkathman: make sure ur workgroup is set up the same....it shouldnt really matter but sometimes itll click it in...and also try rebooting the whole linux box and then waiting say 30 minutes after boot and it might come up it happenes to me sometimes too
[09:21] <mbjones> mjr, yeah because I want that fancy stuff, but the fglrx driver lacks the support
[09:21] <Mr_Lurrrrr> g nickserv ident 2430561
[09:22] <Mr_Lurrrrr> hello
[09:22] <Nikki> ah, i'll take a look at the wiki
[09:22] <beowuff> nubbe, kinda a personal descion. I've used both and never had problems... Some think ReiserFS is faster, but ext3 more stable.
[09:22] <Nikki> right i better go, Thanks for all the help!!, C ya :)
[09:22] <FR500> has anyone used nagios?
[09:22] <beowuff> nubbe, both seem about the same to me.
[09:22] <mjr> anyway, here's some luminocity videos if you want a sneak preview: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[09:22] <kkathman> Nikki:  Check this    http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:22] <mbjones> FR500: I suggest you chage your password since you just typed it into the channel
[09:22] <freakazoid> ReiserFS is faster even when journalling data, so it's actually safer than ext3 with data=writeback
[09:22] <kkathman> Nikki: scroll down to the Samba area and that will walk you through everything
[09:22] <Nikki> ah, looks useful
[09:23] <FR500> mbjones, yah thanks
[09:23] <mbjones> mjr: yeah, it's pretty nift
[09:23] <tck> just got asked a question peeps
[09:23] <alterim> please.. can someone help me with synaptic?
[09:23] <dazed_> kkathman: for example right now my windows computers  are showing up (even though there are no windows computers on the network at this moment) and not my linux boxes
[09:23] <tck> what linux would you recommend for gaming ?
[09:23] <Nikki> should I use ext2 or ext3 do you reckon
[09:23] <mbjones> mjr: They use gnome in the video right? (I'm still installing X at the moment so I can't check it out)
[09:23] <knesz> is there anyone that can help me with pcmcia cardbus driver/pcmcia wlan card?
[09:23] <Dalkus> tck, Ubuntu runs games quite nicley in my case
[09:23] <SeeleyUSMC> Is there a way to remove the virtual desktops in KDE?  I have it down to one desktop, but I want to get rid of it on the panel.  How do I do that?
[09:23] <kkathman> Nikki:  this also    http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=install%20samba
[09:23] <mjr> mbjones, yah, now if my radeon 9250 only supported opengl acceleration across the whole 3200x1200 virtual desktop...
[09:23] <Dalkus> Though if you want lots of retail games... linus isn't the best OS tck
[09:23] <Dalkus> *linux
[09:23] <WeirdAl> Nikki, go for ext3.
[09:24] <mbjones> mjr: Yeah, I run xfce4 so I don't know what it would take to get the same thing on it
[09:24] <WeirdAl> If you're going to be using the GUI
[09:24] <nubbe> beowuff, oki, I'll read some more then  :)  believe it or not the reiser-guys think theirs is good... :)
[09:24] <tck> Dalkus, that taken under consideration ;)
[09:24] <Nikki> ah ok, Ext3 it is!
[09:24] <tck> not for me by the way
[09:24] <mjr> mbjones, they aren't really using much else than single applications
[09:24] <neighborlee> tck, dont listen to dalkus there are plenty fine games for linux
[09:24] <mbjones> mjr, what do you mean?
[09:24] <kkathman> dazed:  Interesting...What happens with me is that I have my linux and two windows boxes on a hub to my router. Linux cant see those two boxes, but the windows boxes can see them.
[09:25] <mjr> mbjones, they aren't using any spesific desktop from the looks of things there
[09:25] <Dalkus> tck, Ubuntu is easy enough to maintain for a gaming system - I play most of my games on it.
[09:25] <Grock> Hi I have more recent files than ubuntu-desktop install wants how can I resolve this?
[09:25] <tck> for ex. what games
[09:25] <kkathman> dazed:  and...I have another windows box that is on a wireless...and Linux sees it fine....and my laptop which is hooked to that same hub of my LInux, is on a different workgroup and Linux picks it up fine too
[09:25] <mbjones> mjr, doesn't that website tell you how to get luminocity for your computer? I thought you have to download gnome and compile by hand
[09:26] <kkathman> the whole thing doesnt make sense
[09:26] <alterim> please.. can someone help me with synaptic?
[09:26] <kkathman> Im beginning to think that xfsamba has bugs
[09:26] <mjr> mbjones, you do need to do handjobs with that, yes, but it's not really that tied to gnome
[09:26] <Dalkus> tck, americas army, wolfenstein: ET, neverwinter nights and halflife are the games i play most. Check out www.happypenguin.org for thousands of free linux games
[09:26] <kkathman> thats why I wanted to go back to Gnome, but when I installed XFCE it trashed Gnome to where I cant get back in
[09:27] <mjr> mbjones, (but the are _targeting_ gnome, of coursE)
[09:27] <galt_home> Hey...does any one have any experience settiong up a TV-Card in ubuntu?
[09:27] <kkathman> alterim:  what kind of help do you need with synaptic?
[09:27] <mbjones> mjr, can you paste the URL again? (finally got on X, I'm keyhack now)
[09:27] <mjr> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[09:28] <keyhack> mjr: thanks
[09:28] <nydust> after i has updatet to hoary can i still use the extra repositories from ubuntuguide.org?
[09:28] <djp> anyone using wordpress here?
[09:28] <beowuff> nubbe, I tend to just use the defaults of whatever os I'm installing at the time. SuSE uses reiser, and I've never had a problem. I think Ubuntu uses Ext3. Been running fine for me.
[09:28] <freakazoid> djp: I use it
[09:29] <randabis> nydust, some of them should be okay, but I wouldn't use the ubuntu backports repo for instance
[09:29] <neighborlee> tck: well the linux is getting very large but I guess  some of the biggies are: neverwinter nights, unreal tournament 2003(4), some loki titles still exist ( tuxgames.com but pricey ), robinhood, a tale in the desert (2), vendetta, darwinia , uplink ( all at: introversion.co.uk ) and as dalkus says: happypenguin.org and linuxgames.com are your friends ;-))
[09:29] <djp> freakazoid: just wondering what i need to install with regards mysql. not installed here, though i do have php4 and apache running.
[09:29] <SeeleyUSMC> Is there a way to remove the virtual desktops in KDE?  I have it down to one desktop, but I want to get rid of it on the panel.  How do I do that?
[09:29] <randabis> composite rocks :)
[09:29] <randabis> http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=snapshot55vk.jpg
[09:29] <airox> Anyone is formeliar with "VM_Create on cgame failed" message with Enemy Territory and could help me out with this ?
[09:30] <freakazoid> djp: you need php4-mysql and mysql-server
[09:30] <nydust> randabis, you recomend me to remove this line.  deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe?
[09:30] <beowuff> tck, I got World of Warcraft running under Ubuntu last weekend. Runs pretty good.
[09:30] <djp> freakazoid: i gather i will need the libapache-mod-auth-mysql mod also?
[09:30] <randabis> nydust, yes
[09:30] <beowuff> tck, Also have Knights of the Old Republic.
[09:30] <nydust> oki thanks
[09:30] <Dalkus> neighborlee, I know the guy who runs tuxgames.com :) He is a member of my local LUG
[09:30] <Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: right click on the wee handle to the left of the desktop pager on the panel
[09:30] <freakazoid> djp: no, because WP does its own authentication
[09:30] <neighborlee> Dalkus, -)
[09:31] <djp> frakazoid: ok, thanks. how easy is it to setup mysql. i have no idea what how to use it, which may just be a huge bottleneck for me! :)
[09:31] <SeeleyUSMC> Riddell: thanks :)
[09:32] <freakazoid> djp: Easy on Ubuntu or Debian
[09:32] <SeeleyUSMC> Shoot...I removed the panel where it shows the programs running
[09:32] <freakazoid> djp: WP sets up its own tables too
[09:33] <nubbe> beowuff, it doesn't sound like the choice is critical. reiser sounded nice when I read their webpage, but maybe ext3 is better since it's default on ubuntu
[09:33] <nubbe> for ubuntu
[09:33] <l> problem, im trying the livecd on ppc, 5.0.4, for some reason i lock the screensaver, its asking for a password, what is it? user ubuntu
[09:33] <l> ?
[09:33] <djp> freakazoid: is the tutorial on the wordpress site good to use?
[09:34] <beowuff> nubbe, I have heard reiserfs is faster for lots of small files. I think when hoary is official, I'm going to reload with reiser just to play with it. I'm sure whatever you use will work.
[09:34] <freakazoid> djp: Don't know, never used it. I installed WP from the Debian packages
[09:34] <SeeleyUSMC> Riddell: How do I put a panel back?  I made a mistake
[09:34] <freakazoid> beowuff: I never use ext3
[09:35] <djp> freakazoid: thanks for the advice.
[09:35] <freakazoid> beowuff: Used it for a while but Reiser is SO much faster it's disgusting
[09:35] <Witigonen> Hello.  I have an Acer laptop - if what I read from the wiki is correct, laptop/acpi support for it is basically going to be a if-it-works-great, if-not-too-bad sort of thing?
[09:35] <freakazoid> Also Reiser has been around longer than ext3
[09:35] <freakazoid> so the claims that ext3 are more stable are just supposition
[09:35] <freakazoid> Witigonen: ACPI on laptops is a nightmare on ANY linux
[09:35] <beowuff> freakazoid, Hmmm... Maybe I won't wait then.
[09:36] <moogman> freakazoid: Faster in what context, if you don't mind me asking?
[09:36] <Witigonen> freakazoid: Amen to that.
[09:36] <StR34k> Mornin
[09:36] <freakazoid> moogman: In regular use, particularly if you're using data journalling on ext3
[09:36] <freakazoid> moogman: or I should say ordered data mode
[09:37] <grimworld> hey there
[09:37] <Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: right click k-menu -> panel menu-> add -> applet-> desktop pager
[09:37] <moogman> freakazoid: I mean, like in what instances do you find a notable speed improvement? e.g. boot or copying files or whatever
[09:37] <freakazoid> moogman: And if you turn off ordered data mode you lose many of the advantages of a journalled filesystem
[09:37] <Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: that user interface will be re-written
[09:37] <kkathman> well I am thinking that I will have to totally re-install :(
[09:37] <Nekohayo> has anyone been able the sysinfo gdesklet in hoary without installing it from source?
[09:37] <grimworld> for someone like that is totally new to linux, where can I find information about compiling source codes}
[09:37] <grimworld> ?
[09:37] <Nekohayo> to use*
[09:37] <freakazoid> moogman: The major one where I notice a difference is with large maildirs
[09:38] <freakazoid> moogman: Since ext3, like ext2, must search linearly through directories for filenames
[09:38] <nydust> why cant i boot ubuntu with acpi on?
[09:38] <factotum> nydust, could be a bios issue
[09:38] <nydust> have a hp omnibook 6100
[09:38] <nydust> factotum, do i need acpi?
[09:39] <factotum> nydust: nah, i had the same problem with fbsd 5.2, you can get by without it
[09:39] <SeeleyUSMC> Riddell: I mean the taskbar thing that shows what programs are running
[09:39] <nydust> Fackamato, what is it for?
[09:39] <freakazoid> Witigonen: I have spent many hours trying to get my Inspiron 8600 to suspend properly to no avail
[09:39] <kkathman> I dont know why acpi would be needed in Linux
[09:39] <freakazoid> Witigonen: The major problem is the video driver
[09:39] <freakazoid> kkathman: It's needed on laptops with no APM
[09:39] <factotum> power managment i think, shuts off monitor, standby blah blah lah
[09:39] <freakazoid> kkathman: Unless you like shutting down every time you want to throw your laptop in the case
[09:39] <grogoreo> has anyone tried a bootsplash on ubuntu?
[09:40] <kkathman> freakazoid:  Oh sure I should have clarified....desktops
[09:40] <factotum> well if its a laptop, then its handy to have
[09:40] <Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: Add to Panel -> Applet -> Taskbar
[09:40] <freakazoid> kkathman: Oh, I wouldn't bother on a desktop
[09:40] <SeeleyUSMC> Riddell: thanks.  I have a lot of learning to do
[09:40] <StR34k> grogoreo, for grub yeah
[09:40] <freakazoid> kkathman: Other than to help improve general ACPI support in Linux
[09:40] <nubbe> in the install process, do u get a chance to partition the hdd into several partitions?
[09:40] <Nikki> Sorry forgot to ask, does ubuntu dual boot well?, I heard some horror stories (about linux in general) about sometimes how your MBR can get corrupted..
[09:41] <kkathman> exactly - acpi on a desktop is a nuisance in some applications such as audio/video where plug and play installed virtual interrupts
[09:41] <grogoreo> StR34k, like on Fedora when it runs up. but yeah how would you do one on grub?
[09:41] <spiral> hello
[09:41] <spiral> does anyone here have a sonoma ?
[09:41] <grogoreo> Nikki, it should work fine, ive never had a problem
[09:41] <Witigonen> freakazoid: Yeah... it's very frustrating in an environment when you're taking your laptop out in short time frames, etc.  You can't wait for it to boot.  Even suspend to disk is very annoying and time-consuming compared to what it ideally would be.
[09:42] <Nikki> Ah ok thats good
[09:42] <freakazoid> Witigonen: Yeah, tell me about it
[09:42] <StR34k> grogoreo, first you have to get a spash image (it's gotta be in *.xpm.gz), it's gotta be a certian size and with x amnt of colours.
[09:42] <freakazoid> Witigonen: I'm about to get an even more bleeding-edge laptop so I'll probably be that much farther away from STR
[09:43] <Witigonen> freakazoid: That's cool, but sad at the same time.
 Fackamato, what is it for? <- The name? Nothing.
[09:43] <StR34k> grogoreo, then in /boot/grub/menu.lst you have to add a line (near the top) like:
[09:43] <Witigonen> freakazoid: Thanks for answering my questions.  Goodnight, all.
[09:44] <neighborlee> peeps im having trouble running some opengl apps ( blender in this case) as i'm getting permission error for /dev/nvidiactl :: Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions
[09:44] <neighborlee> are too resticitive ????
[09:44] <nydust> Fackamato, acpi..
[09:44] <StR34k> grogoreo, splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splashimages/ubuntu.xpm.gz
[09:45] <grogoreo> StR34k, thank you very much. Would you know of anywhere that I could find info on making or examples of these splash screens?
[09:46] <StR34k> grogoreo, 1 sec.
[09:46] <grogoreo> StR34k, ok thank you
[09:47] <StR34k> grogoreo, http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/  <-- some ubuntu grub splash images.
[09:47] <grogoreo> StR34k, thank you!
[09:48] <grogoreo> is there anything about that would let me have like a splash screen like that of Fedora when it is settting everything up after grub?
[09:48] <Arnia> njan: Didn't expect to see you here
[09:48] <njan> Arnia, :)
[09:48] <nrx> njan's here?
[09:48] <nrx> ohnoes
[09:48] <nrx> ;p
[09:48] <njan> heya, nrx :p
[09:49] <nrx> allo mate
[09:49] <njan> Arnia, I'm quite a regular troll in #ubuntu, actually ;)
[09:49] <StR34k> I have been looking into it, I think it's called fbsplash in suse.
[09:49] <nrx> too many clients around lol
[09:49] <njan> how's it going, nrx?
[09:49] <nrx> so-so
[09:49] <nrx> njan, you?
[09:49] <Arnia> Heh... I love how small the OSS community is ;)
[09:49] <njan> Arnia, :)
[09:49] <ACID|net> OSS?
[09:49] <njan> Open Source Software
[09:49] <ACID|net> is it small?
[09:49] <njan> figuratively speaking, yes.
[09:49] <Arnia> In terms of degrees of separation
[09:50] <njan> If someone uses OSS and IRC, chances are you'll find them on freenode :)
[09:50] <SeeleyUSMC> There is no Quicktime for Ubuntu?
[09:50] <Arnia> Plus the community overlaps are immense
[09:50] <Bazzi> freenode is the hideout for all OSS#ers :)
[09:51] <j-linux> Hello - I am new to Linux.  I've been using FC3 but am interested in trying something else.  Can anyone recommend Ubuntu for a beginner or should I try something else?
[09:51] <neighborlee> j-linux, I can easily  reccommend it
[09:51] <kkathman> Ubuntu is excellent for beginners and advanced alike
[09:51] <Bazzi> j-linux ubuntu is not harder than fedora
[09:51] <nrx> j-linux, ubuntu's good for newbies :)
[09:51] <Arnia> I mean I sit in python, gnome and semantic web communities and the number of people I see in the same channels as me is amazing
[09:51] <neighborlee> j-linux, its design is 'easy of  use' so your in the right place ;-)
[09:51] <beowuff> j-linux, I've been recommending Ubuntu to new users ever since I first tried it. I'd never recommend Fedora to anybody.
[09:51] <neighborlee> j-linux, make that 'ease of use
[09:51] <neighborlee> lol
[09:51] <kev0r> Good evening, just installed Hoary, but cannot seem to get Alsa gonig
[09:52] <kev0r> going
[09:52] <kev0r> all alsa packets are installed
[09:52] <nrx> kev0r, no-one can heh
[09:52] <kkathman> Fedora is also "heavy" on the box...Ubuntu is not
[09:52] <nrx> kkathman, that's not true
[09:52] <kev0r> but vlc/totem don't seem to like teh alsa
[09:52] <ermo> I get a really strange error during my hoary installation on my k6-III on a asus p5a mobo. The i386 kernel keeps probing for non-existing devices starting with hde
[09:52] <Bazzi> my also also fucks ;)
[09:52] <neighborlee> kev0r, yup its a current issue it seems
[09:52] <garrut> anyone here using freenx?
[09:52] <Bazzi> *Also also
[09:52] <nrx> kkathman, i can run fc fine on this machine but ubuntu lags like a bitch
[09:52] <kev0r> nrx: do you know how to fixx0r?
[09:52] <j-linux> Fedora is ok, but my Toshiba laptop's fan doesn't work and I can't get the utility installed from source.  Debian (Knoppix, etc.) have it included so I assumed Ubuntu would also ?
[09:52] <nrx> kev0r, not entirely sure0r
[09:52] <nrx> kev0r, what's the problem0r?
[09:52] <kev0r> sure0r heheh :)
[09:53] <neighborlee> Bazzi, im sure you didn't mean to use that..ahem..word ;-))
[09:53] <Bazzi> neighborlee ;-)
[09:53] <kev0r> well, in totem i get: "totem could not startup ALSA device "default" does not exist"
[09:53] <kkathman> nrx: I have a very small 96mb memory celeron maching...FC3 killed it. Ubuntu runs like a champe
[09:54] <nrx> kkathman, how did you manage that?!?!
[09:54] <neighborlee> ** (gnome-cd:10939): WARNING **: Could not access ALSA device "default", check its permissions. < I get this on starting : gnome-cd
[09:54] <nrx> kkathman, wait.. are you running gnome?
[09:54] <nrx> neighborlee, have you added yourself to the audio group?
[09:54] <kkathman> nrx: Originally yes, but Im now running XFCE
[09:54] <kev0r> hmm good point
[09:54] <nrx> kkathman, yeah - think i'm gonna go down that route, too
[09:54] <neighborlee> nrx, Idont recall this being an issue unti lately..and no i haven't checked but I can
[09:55] <kkathman> nrx:  XFCE is very performant
[09:55] <nrx> kkathman, yeah, so i'm told
[09:55] <nrx> neighborlee, might help.. dunno :).. was one of the problems with me :)
[09:55] <neighborlee> nrx: I dont even have a audio group
[09:55] <kkathman> nrx:  but I've had a few idiosynchrocies with it
[09:55] <nrx> kkathman, such as?
[09:55] <nrx> neighborlee, sorry :/
[09:56] <neighborlee> wait ic something
[09:56] <kkathman> nrx:  Under Gnome, I was able to see all my Windows boxes on my network...under XFCE I havent been able to get a couple of them to be seen
[09:56] <nrx> kkathman, strange
[09:56] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone konw of a Quicktime player for Ubuntu?
[09:56] <kkathman> nrx:  XFCE doesnt support desktop icons only quick launch type of environements
[09:56] <jas_MHz> I just installed VLC and now firefox wont connect - i can ping google tho' -- any ideas ??
[09:56] <zyga> SeeleyUSMC: mplayer
[09:57] <kkathman> nrx: other than that...its been stable, configurable and very nice on this system
[09:57] <nrx> kkathman, excellent... shall have to try it again
[09:58] <kkathman> nrx:  let me know when you do, Ive got some experience on dependencies that you'll run into that arent documented in th xfce wiki
[09:58] <neighborlee> nrx, well nm i guess..I checked some boxes under properties for my user in users/groups in > admin : users and groups but so far no effect
[09:58] <nrx> kkathman, thanks
[09:58] <seraphiel> how do I browse my files in one single window? not with one window per folder
[09:58] <nrx> neighborlee, sorry
[09:58] <kkathman> seraphiel:  Under Gnome?
[09:58] <nrx> neighborlee, do s?you get any error message
[09:58] <seraphiel> kkathman, yes
[09:59] <garrut> seraphiel: nautilus --browser
[09:59] <kkathman> seraphiel:  Change the view in COMPUTER to web-browser
[09:59] <seraphiel> ok. thanks
[09:59] <jas_MHz> Any one know how to get VLC as a player in firefox ??
[09:59] <neighborlee> nrx, no sorry necessary..I just thought this info might help with diagnosis..no biggie as im sure its just a hoary preview issue..for now im going to try xmms as I hear on forum that works for now
[09:59] <grogoreo> seraphiel, goto Edit -> Preferences -> Hehavior -> Always open in browser Window
[09:59] <neighborlee> everyone with audio cd issues I hear xmms works for audio CD...im going to try it right now
[10:00] <kkathman> seraphiel:  What grogoreo said :)
[10:00] <beowuff> seraphiel, http://ubuntuguide.org has a lot of good explinations for such things.
[10:00] <evanpro> I got a weird problem I can't seem to find an answer for.
[10:00] <evanpro> I'm trying to install hoary-pre to a new machine.
[10:00] <nrx> neighborlee, k :)
[10:00] <seraphiel> thanks for the help and the link :)
[10:00] <evanpro> R
[10:00] <evanpro> My Red Hat 9 CD boots fine
[10:00] <evanpro> But my Ubuntu CD does not
[10:01] <evanpro> I can boot the Ubuntu CD on other machines...
[10:01] <evanpro> ...but not on this one
[10:01] <zyga> evanpro: maybe you've got an old cd
[10:01] <zyga> evanpro: try burning the cd on x1
[10:01] <evanpro> I've made like 3 copies of the CD... none works
[10:01] <kkathman> evanpro:  are you trying the live cd or the install?
[10:01] <evanpro> I do an MD5 check on the CD ... tests fine
[10:01] <zyga> evanpro: I had the same issue on an old laptop
[10:01] <evanpro> The install
[10:01] <evanpro> Yeah
[10:01] <kkathman> evanpro:  Warty or Hoary?
[10:02] <zyga> evanpro: older drives cant read cd bured at high speeds
[10:02] <evanpro> This is a crufty old CD
[10:02] <hou5ton> I need to install esdplay, but don't see it in Synaptic
[10:02] <hou5ton> running Hoary
[10:02] <evanpro> s/old CD/old PC/
[10:02] <evanpro> I wonder if there's an installation reports section of the wiki
[10:02] <kkathman> evanpro:  I burned my image with Disk Juggler at 12x.  When I burned it at 16x it had probs.. Try burning at a lower speed perhaps
[10:03] <kkathman> evanpro:  especially if your are installing it on an "older" machine
[10:03] <mikep> hou5ton: maybe in universal?
[10:03] <kkathman> evanpro:  you could even try 8x if the machine is really old :)
[10:04] <hou5ton> i have those open ... if it's not there, can i just do apt-get install esdplay?
[10:04] <zyga> kkathman: burning at 1x guarantees success ;-)
[10:04] <kev0r> any clue on how to fix the Hoary sound problem?
[10:05] <kkathman> zyga:  LOL
[10:05] <evanpro> "guarantees" B-)
[10:05] <kkathman> hou5ton:  you might need to try other repositories
[10:05] <zyga> evanpro: ah get lost, had a long day ;] 
[10:05] <Synthetic_Darkne> howzit how the hell do i change the resolution on ubuntu live cd
[10:05] <zyga> i cant spell right at this ungodly hour
[10:06] <[nrx_] > lol
[10:06] <kkathman> hou5ton:  check on the application's web site and see where they suggest getting it, and you might need to add, debian's repository for instance
[10:06] <kev0r> Ctrl-Alt-+/- Synthetic_Darkne
[10:06] <hou5ton> kkathman:  i tried that, and got this message: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[10:06] <kkathman> hou5ton:  thats because you arent running it at root...use sudo
[10:06] <hou5ton> kkathman:  yes I did
[10:06] <grogoreo> when you want to install somehting that requires the kernel to be recompiled, can a module not be used instead?
[10:07] <hou5ton> kkathman:  i'm running Hoary
[10:07] <kkathman> hou5ton:  ok.  did you add the repositories to your sources.list?
[10:08] <Synthetic_Darkne> thanks kevOr
[10:08] <kkathman> hou5ton: if so, you'll need to do a:   sudo apt-get update
[10:08] <hou5ton> ok
[10:08] <kkathman> back later
[10:09] <crimsun> what hoary sound problem?
[10:10] <crimsun> describe your sound problem, kev0r
[10:10] <kev0r> for instance, when i start totem
[10:10] <mikep> kev9r: i found out the hard way to.  Had to go back to warty.
[10:11] <hou5ton> even when doing sudo apt-get update... I get those errors : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:11] <hou5ton> ermo: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:11] <kev0r> mikep: i refuse
[10:11] <kev0r> was a bitch to get everything the way I wanted it again
[10:11] <thenuke> hou5ton: like do you have synaptic open?
[10:11] <hou5ton> thenuke:  yes
[10:12] <mikep> kev0r: understand. i still plan to update to hoary when the stable version is released.
[10:12] <kev0r> so crimsun
[10:12] <hou5ton> *hangs*
[10:12] <kev0r> when I open tottem i get this error: Alsa device "default" does not exist
[10:12] <kev0r> "
[10:12] <kev0r> and in alsamixer my EMU10k1 chipset isn't even listed
[10:13] <mdke> hi all. I've installed and started spamassassin but i'm still getting all my junk mails into my evolution inbox. Can anyone help?
[10:13] <crimsun> kev0r: lspci -v |grep Audio
[10:13] <djp> freakazoid: still around?
[10:13] <Flonne> cat /proc/asound/cards -- see if you have anything.
[10:13] <djp> mdke: have you enable spamd?
[10:14] <mdke> djp, yes
[10:14] <kev0r> hmm ok, it's0 [Camera         ] : USB-Audio - Camera
[10:14] <kev0r>                      Camera at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, full speed
[10:14] <kev0r> 1 [Live           ] : EMU10K1 - Sound Blaster Live!
[10:14] <kev0r>                      Sound Blaster Live! (rev.6) at 0xb800, irq 17
[10:14] <mdke> djp, at least it is starting
[10:14] <kev0r> arg, the EMU10k1 isn't called emu10k1 in HOary... it was in Warty
[10:14] <hou5ton> ok ... got it all updated, but esdplay is apparantly not a Ubuntu package?????
[10:14] <kev0r> and all the switches where hidden in gnome-alsamixer
[10:14] <factotum> damn, if finaly get my printer working and i run out of black ink... it figures
[10:14] <djp> mdke: you edited /etc/default/spamassassin right?
[10:15] <crimsun> kev0r: err, there's no problem there...
[10:15] <kev0r> ok so i have a soundcard Flonne what now :P
[10:15] <kev0r> yes so i c
[10:15] <mdke> djp, yes i edited it in order to enable it, but nothing else
[10:15] <djp> mdke: sure. same here. stumped!
[10:15] <crimsun> kev0r: the issue is that your usb device is claiming the first sound slot
[10:16] <kev0r> ok :P *unplugged*
[10:16] <tck> http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice/ :P
[10:16] <mdke> djp, is it working well at your end?
[10:16] <djp> mdke: maybe i just haven't encountered a high enough volume of spam, but i know that it 'appears' to be working...
[10:16] <mdke> k
[10:16] <crimsun> kev0r: the easiest way to work around it is: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[10:17] <djp> mdke: hope you solve the issue
[10:17] <crimsun> kev0r: next time you boot, it'll be fine
[10:17] <factotum> so any one here ever get their parents to switch to linux? My dad is interested, but I've always been at giving explinations how to do things. Just wonder how much of a challenge Im in for...
[10:17] <mdke> djp, maybe it isn't an issue... maybe my spam is too good ;)
[10:17] <Flonne> It would be easier to just change the module load order, wouldn't it?
[10:17] <cmf> does anyone recognise this samba error?
[10:17] <cmf> smbiod_handle_request: smbiod got a request ... and we don't implement oplocks!
[10:17] <cmf> smb_proc_readdir_long: error=-512, breaking
[10:17] <cmf> happens when mounting a samba share
[10:18] <cmf> seems to happen randomly
[10:18] <factotum> cmf, im not trying to be rude, but youd probably have better luck in #samba
[10:18] <cmf> ubunti hoary, 2.6.10-k7
[10:18] <crimsun> Flonne: easier, perhaps, but not as "correct" since ubuntu already provides a solution for that precise issue.
[10:18] <slept> cmf on client or server side ?
[10:18] <cmf> factotum: i've googled the issue, and there's on google result, it's for debian unstable, which leads to believe it's a deb/ubuntu issue
[10:18] <cmf> slept: client
[10:19] <cmf> s/on/one
[10:19] <hou5ton> ok ... got it all updated, but esdplay is apparantly not a Ubuntu package?????
[10:19] <Flonne> I guess I'm still thinking in Debian terms.
[10:19] <hou5ton> Is that right?
[10:19] <hou5ton> or ... what should I do to get it?
[10:19] <slept> cmf , what does the debian page say ?
[10:20] <crimsun> Flonne: no, this is the solution that's implemented in Debian Sid, too.
[10:20] <cmf> slept: it's on a mailing list and tehre seems to be no reply
[10:20] <Flonne> It is? Since when?
[10:20] <Flonne> 13:11 < froud> so
[10:20] <cmf> slept: jan 12th 2004
[10:20] <Flonne> Eek.
[10:21] <XHTMLNoles> when i startup ubuntu live cd but it show signal is out of range in monitor
[10:21] <slept> cmf : how do you mount it ?
[10:21] <cmf> i've done a reinstall of ubuntu yesterday, the issue has been there both times
[10:21] <cmf> slept: fstab
[10:21] <cmf> slept: //192.168.0.5/pub     /media/mars      smbfs credentials=/home/lou/.samba,uid=lou,gid=lou,fmask=0777,dmask=0777,users       0 0
[10:23] <slept> cmf : looks good, what is the credentials part for ?
[10:23] <crimsun> Flonne: since 1.0.8-1.
[10:23] <cmf> slept: username/password
[10:23] <crimsun> Flonne: see 18_core_init_index.dpatch, which has been merged upstream and is present in 1.0.9rc
[10:23] <slept> cmf nice, haven't seen that before
[10:24] <Flonne> Ah.
[10:24] <Flonne> Last time I had to mess with card configs was two years ago.
[10:24] <kbrooks> "The latest Ubuntu release, by default, presents Gnome 2.9.91 as its desktop environment of choice. As a matter of fact, there are no other choices. It's either that or the highway right out of the box. I use Konqueror for a few different web-related tasks and found that it wasn't installed, so I attempted to use apt-get to install it. To my dismay, it wasn't on the list of available packages to install. Neither were many other applications I looked for. XMMS
[10:24] <kbrooks>  was missing (I know it's an old application, but I like it), as was Amarok (QT-based multimedia application) which I've found has been replacing XMMS for me lately. It's getting rather good. Of course I pretty much knew it wouldn't be there. If basic KDE apps were missing, why should I expect to see Amarok there?"
[10:24] <kbrooks> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475
[10:24] <will> what is the refresh rate for a PAL tv?
[10:25] <thenuke> will: umm, 50Hz?
[10:25] <slept> cmf : you can switch off the acceleration in smb.conf that helped me when I had a strange  errors with the connection
[10:25] <bwlang> i'm thinking about buying an rtl8169 based gbit ethernet card... anybody know how well these work with kernel 2.6 ?
[10:26] <cmf> slept: smb.conf is only for server, or do you mean on the server (ratehr than my client machine?)
[10:26] <slept> yes
[10:26] <njan> bwlang, I have one of those sitting in my desk drawer at work which I've been meaning to find that out with for months ;P
[10:26] <kakalto> is there a #gimp on freenode?
[10:26] <cmf> okies, but it was fine on my previous distro (arch linux) with teh same smb.conf
[10:26] <slept> cmf but I'm not sure if it will help
[10:26] <thenuke> will: oh, 50Hz in europe, and 60 in USA
[10:27] <randabis> that sucked :/
[10:27] <randabis> xcompmgr killed the xserver
[10:27] <slept> cmf did the server configuration work before or are you trying to get it to work ?
[10:27] <kev0r> arg
[10:27] <kev0r> arritating
[10:27] <cmf> slept: yep, was all good, which leads me to believe it's a bug in the pkg
[10:28] <kev0r> annoying: a soundswitch that was hidden was on minimal volume
[10:28] <kev0r> so i heard no sound
[10:28] <XHTMLNoles> can i get help here?
[10:28] <kev0r> Any others with ALSA problems?
[10:29] <cmf> i don't have a switch to enable the recording source in alsamixer...
[10:29] <XHTMLNoles> i have problem with liveCD
[10:29] <kev0r> cmf: Try Edit->Preverences
[10:30] <slept> cmf : you can try debian testing, that version is running fine
[10:30] <cmf> kev0r: in alsamixer?
[10:30] <kev0r> gnome-alsamixer
[10:30] <cmf> slept: will do, thanks
[10:30] <cmf> kev0r: kde here
[10:30] <kev0r> then look in that list for the right switch, bet it's hidden there
[10:30] <kev0r> eep :)
[10:30] <kev0r> is there a kde-alsamixer? :P
[10:30] <cmf> :P
[10:30] <cmf> kmix
[10:30] <kev0r> gogo
[10:30] <cmf> but alsamixer should have it
[10:31] <cmf> space doesn't seem to work setting 'mic' as recording source
[10:31] <kev0r> not if the gay thing is hidden
[10:31] <cmf> lol
[10:32] <kev0r> oh finally, nothing relaxes me more then the DVD of ma fav band during tweaking of my os
[10:32] <kev0r> that's why i hate it if my sound is not working :)
[10:32] <cmf> who be that band?
[10:32] <kev0r> they b Acda 'n the Munnik
[10:32] <kev0r> dutch band ^^
[10:32] <cmf> ahh
[10:33] <kev0r> wait, i got a song somewhere
[10:33] <hou5ton> ok ... figured out why esdplay is not in synaptic ... it's part of esound-clients
[10:34] <orospakr> which packages contains the manpages for libc functions, like mmap, open, malloc, etc...?
[10:34] <orospakr> s/packages/package/
[10:36] <eruin> glibc-doc ?
[10:36] <raydogg> what *nix cmd utility is there to replace characters in a string ?
[10:36] <raydogg> in a file i mean
[10:37] <robl^> raydogg: sed
[10:37] <Flonne> sed.
[10:37] <raydogg> thanks
[10:38] <Flonne> echo "cheEse" | sed s/e/q/gi
[10:38] <Flonne> The thing on the right is a regexp structure.
[10:38] <kev0r> what was the apt-get to enable mp3 support?
[10:38] <kev0r> apt-get install gstreamer...
[10:40] <OlEG-6370> is ubuntu better than yoper ? ;)
[10:40] <eruin> yes
[10:40] <OlEG-6370> why ? ;)
[10:40] <kev0r> ubuntu > *
[10:40] <eruin> what kev0r said
[10:40] <spiral> bye
[10:41] <slept> how is better defined ???
[10:41] <OlEG-6370> bye, spiral ;)
[10:41] <eruin> it's simply the best distro out there for any gnome lover
[10:41] <eruin> probably due to the fact that so many gnome developers and debian developers work on it
[10:41] <grogoreo> has anyone been able to watch TV on Ubuntu/Linux? And if so, what programs did you use. My Hauppage card is coming up on Device Manager but I dont know what programs to use
[10:42] <OlEG-6370> eruin, why do tou use ubuntu instead of debian?
[10:43] <OlEG-6370> ^)
[10:44] <slept> xorg is the big advantage to debian
[10:44] <scizzo> grogoreo: you need a card for TV-in or something simular
[10:44] <henry_uk> ubuntu newbie here :)
[10:44] <Arnia> And the drop-in-do-the-right-thing configuration
[10:44] <Arnia> update-manager?
[10:44] <grogoreo> scizzo, i have a TV-in card. It works on Windows
[10:44] <raydogg> mmm, there is a \n in my pattern and i can't seem to match it with sed
[10:44] <raydogg> \\n doesn't wokr either :-(
[10:44] <henry_uk> finally got ubuntu installed a few mins ago
[10:44] <peteog> grogoreo, fftv is pretty cool: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=317
[10:45] <bruno_polar> does anybody have dial up dsl?
[10:45] <eruin> OlEG-6370: because I feel it's more desktop-i386-oriented
[10:45] <grogoreo> peteog, thanks ill have a look
[10:45] <Flonne> Sed is a line editor. :(
[10:45] <eruin> OlEG-6370: and because I don't want to have new features stalled because some weird architecture I'll never use has issues with em :P
[10:45] <Flonne> It stops processing when it hits a \n.
[10:46] <Flonne> ed should be able to span multiple lines, but it isn't intuitive.
[10:46] <bruno_polar> does anybody know how to connect dsl with login password on ubuntu?
[10:48] <danny666> hi is there a gui tool to format harddrives?
[10:48] <Flonne> qt_parted is one...
[10:48] <[nrx_] > k.. question folks... I've just changed to xfce and I can't get the keyboard map right
[10:48] <[nrx_] > i've selected UK but it's not right.. it's still mapping to a us layout
[10:49] <slept> danny666 : fstab is great
[10:49] <grogoreo> if I used alien to convert either an RPM or Tarball, would APT accept it?
[10:49] <Flonne> It can be found with System Rescue CD; it should also be on Knoppix somewhere.
[10:49] <Flonne> fstab can't format things, slept. =P
[10:49] <Flonne> fdisk is great.
[10:49] <Flonne> So is cfdisk.
[10:49] <Bobby_Digital> oki, here's a ubuntu report from sweden...it made my hard disk crash and burn :/
[10:50] <danny666> i have a raid controller and want to use the drives just regular
[10:50] <slept> oh been for to long, was thingink of fdisk
[10:50] <[nrx_] > any ideas, anyone?
[10:50] <Flonne> The Ubuntu installer also provides a partitioning interface, and it provides options for RAID setups...
[10:51] <Flonne> It isn't graphical, though.
[10:51] <danny666> the thing is i dont want to raid them just use em as regular disks
[10:51] <OlEG-6370> Flonne, does ubuntu support's NTFS resizing while it installs?
[10:51] <bruno_polar> please somebody help me get my dsl working...
[10:51] <danny666> cfdisk dont show my raid controller
[10:52] <Flonne> No, but qt_parted does through ntfsresize...
[10:52] <sid77> hi
[10:52] <Flonne> ...though it tends to abort on even the slightest potential error.
[10:52] <OlEG-6370> Flonne how much disk space i need ? ;)
[10:53] <Flonne> For what?
[10:53] <OlEG-6370> for ubuntu ;)
[10:53] <OlEG-6370> minimal
[10:53] <Flonne> The wikis and guides suggest 1.8; I've been going with 4 so I can play with stuff.
[10:54] <scizzo> "resizing" a partition sounds dangerous
[10:54] <OlEG-6370> qt_perted works okay
[10:54] <djp> any wordpress users here?
[10:54] <danny666> gparted works also
[10:55] <scizzo> OlEG-6370: resizing a partition is on your own risk I guess
[10:55] <synd> I need to know how to get this ndiswrapper-utils
[10:55] <Flonne> I don't think gparted has been marked stable.
[10:56] <danny666> can i low level format them?
[10:58] <[nrx_] > Keyboard layout problems, poeple... heeelllppp
[10:58] <scizzo> [nrx_] : have you looked at the layout X i using in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 ?
[10:59] <PecK> hey all
[10:59] <synd> how do i install the ndiswrapper-utils package?
[10:59] <synd> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[10:59] <synd> as said in that
[10:59] <[nrx_] > synd, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[11:00] <[nrx_] > woah
[11:00] <synd> netsplits?
[11:00] <henry_uk> most probably
[11:00] <synd> wow i thought those were a thing of the past
[11:00] <OlEG-6370>  what version of ubuntu are you running?
[11:00] <grogoreo> does anyone have any problems with TOTEM on Ubuntu, because every time I try to play a range of formats it says thers no plugins for it. I've looked in the plugins folder (well i think it was the plugins folder) and there was nothing there. Any ideas?
[11:01] <claint> ? RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <PecK> grogoreo, do you know how to use Synaptics, the package manager?
[11:01] <synd> [nrx_] : it doesnt work...
[11:02] <bruno_polar> you should download the hard disk utilities on the manufacturer website
[11:02] <javiolo> someone use bluez ?
[11:02] <Grock> PecK, use aptitude
[11:02] <bruno_polar> please anyone, help me configure my dsl
[11:02] <PecK> Grock, was actually trying to help grogoreo out ;)
[11:02] <synd> ugh i cant get this damn ndiswrapper-utils
[11:03] <claint> some updates today.
[11:03] <grogoreo> PecK, yes
[11:04] <grogoreo> PecK, I can use Synaptic
[11:04] <PecK> grogoreo, did u add universe and multiverse repositories to it?
[11:04] <grogoreo> PecK, yes
[11:04] <PecK> grogoreo, then look for gstreamer plugins, mpg, faad, faac
[11:05] <PecK> install everything you don't have and then it should work. I still have problems with AAC format though
[11:05] <danny666> how can i reload fstab without rebooting
[11:06] <grogoreo> Peck, Ah! Great thank you very much!
[11:06] <OlEG-6370> hey ppl is version 5.04 okay, or i should download 4.10 ?
[11:08] <OlEG-6370> danny666
[11:08] <OlEG-6370> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-32863.html
[11:09] <synd> can anyone help me with getting ndiswrapper-utils package enabled
[11:09] <ups> danny666: mount -a
[11:10] <danny666> thx
[11:11] <drspin> hey hey
[11:11] <jas_MHz> what plays mp3 streams ?? xmms ??
[11:11] <[nrx] > uhooh
[11:12] <OlEG-6370> hm
[11:13] <synd> nrx, its not installing.. it says it cannot find the package
[11:13] <jas_MHz> rythm box isn't playing streams and apt-get says w32codecs not available ??
[11:14] <Vjaz> jas_MHz: you don't need w32codecs for playing mp3's... rhythmbox should be fine if you have install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:14] <idn> install VLC, that plays everything including MP3s
[11:16] <efbie> hello everyone
[11:16] <efbie> i recently installed ubuntu and i have a problem :( the sounds have a really bad quality
[11:16] <efbie> but it doesn't happen all the time...
[11:17] <synd> try turning down the volume in the panel
[11:17] <synd> or at least make sure it aint all the way up
[11:17] <efbie> it already sounds louder than it should, and it doesn't work :
[11:17] <synd> i noticed that the sound was distorted greatly when it was all the way up
[11:17] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone here has played with Vector Linux?
[11:18] <efbie> and also : the right channel in the mixer doesn't work
[11:18] <synd> hjmm
[11:18] <efbie> maybe a driver issue ?
[11:18] <synd> possibly
[11:18] <efbie> i tried to install the alsa drivers but it didn't worked
[11:19] <Guilmon> I take offense at the "linux for human beings" ;)
[11:19] <Guilmon> does anyone know if there are sources to the graphical files for the gnome-post-login screen?
[11:21] <synd> [nrx_] : ndiswrapper-utils package is not availiable..
[11:21] <[nrx_] > synd, apt-get update first
[11:21] <grogoreo> how can I see if my sound is working. I have Alsa mixers but after upgrading to Hoary the sound went
[11:22] <synd> nrx: i did, but it still cant find it
[11:22] <[nrx_] > grogoreo, have you turned the volume right up to max on all the channels? master, pcm
[11:22] <PecK> grogoreo check your volume level
[11:23] <grogoreo> PecK, volumes are fine. If I play a CD by pressing the play button on the front I can adjust the volume of it with the Master Volume but I cant hear anything if I use the Gnome CD Player or any other program
[11:24] <[nrx_] > synd, what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:24] <PecK> did you restart your computer after installing and updating?
[11:24] <grogoreo> PecK, I updating a few days ago
[11:25] <synd> nrx: shall i cut and paste?
[11:26] <[nrx_] > join #flood
[11:26] <PecK> grogoreo, try shutting down the pc and restarting it
[11:26] <grogoreo> PecK, I have done lots of times (not for that reason)
[11:27] <PecK> grogoreo, if everything's ok it's hard to help ;) do your appz play sounds??
[11:28] <efbie> how can i update to hoary from a warty ?
[11:29] <grogoreo> PecK, yes. Well normally Ubuntu makes sounds and Totem says its playing something but doesnt sound anything
[11:29] <grogoreo> efbie, change the repositories to hoary then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:30] <thanatosys> hello everyone
[11:30] <grogoreo> hello
[11:30] <thanatosys> im somuchforhteafter on the forums
[11:31] <efbie> grogoreo, thanks :)
[11:31] <djp> freakazoid: if you are about, thanks! wordpress is up and running. excellent stuff!
[11:31] <efbie> is it quite safe to update ?
[11:31] <grogoreo> efbie, i did, and had no real problems (other than sound but thats just me)
[11:31] <grogoreo> I used Synaptic to change from Warty to Hoary then ran the command
[11:32] <thanatosys> how many people have royally screwed up hoary using synaptic and not reading what it says will be removed
[11:32] <grogoreo> then just wait (for ages) then restart
[11:32] <kent> Guilmon, why are you offended by the picture? (i read on #u-d  )
[11:33] <Guilmon> kent: it says ubuntu is for human beings
[11:33] <synd> Gullimon: as opposed to linux for aliens
[11:34] <kent> Guilmon, but *why* are you offended? Whats wrong with that? Who should it be for, or not be for?
[11:34] <[nrx_] > someone's farted and it stinks
[11:34] <efbie> as i'm here i have a little question : during my install i don't remember to have configured a swap partition, was it done automatically or did i missed something ?
[11:34] <PecK> synd, or linux for alienated humans
[11:35] <Guilmon> kent: it should be for others who are not human.
[11:35] <grogoreo> efbie, a normal Ubuntu install does all the partitioning for you
[11:35] <[nrx_] > efbie, if you run "df" it'll tell you what you're partitions are
[11:35] <kent> Guilmon, and who might that be? animals?
[11:35] <Roey> Guilmon:  from the planet Ubuntonia
[11:35] <synd> PecK: true.. haha.
[11:36] <Guilmon> kent: all creatures ;)
[11:36] <PecK> Oh, by the way, I'm tired of mounting my fat32 data partition on every boot. how do I auto it ?
[11:36] <efbie> /dev/hda1 , /tmpfs  is /tmpfs a swat one ?
[11:36] <grogoreo> PecK, put it in fstab
[11:36] <parallax> PecK, edit your fstab
[11:36] <robl^> PecK: /etc/fstab
[11:36] <synd> Ubuntu "Linux for Cats, Dogs.. and Human Beings"
[11:37] <[nrx_] > synd, how's it going?
[11:37] <Guilmon> kent: it should be "Linux for all beings"
[11:37] <Guilmon> or.. "Linux for all friendly beings"
[11:37] <kent> Guilmon, Ubuntu is designed for human being. The HIG that gnome follows is designed for humans. A system that is to be used by animals must have another design, and that design would not suit human beings. So realy, it is and should only be for human beings (or those who interrects like human beings)
[11:37] <grogoreo> efbie, did you specify certain partitions at install?
[11:37] <synd> nrx: i got it installed.. now I gotta find the .inf file for my wireless card
[11:37] <[nrx_] > k
[11:37] <synd> thx btw
[11:37] <Guilmon> kent: thats balogna and you know it
[11:38] <efbie> yes, i wanted to keep the laptop "secret" partition...
[11:38] <[nrx_] > should be on the cd you got with it or the manufacturers site
[11:38] <PecK> kent, don't take it to litterally. If u feel Human, if u love Humanity (the human condition), just love Ubuntu's philosophy. Otherwise, just enjoy the *THIS WORKS FOR REAL* sensation that not many softs can get you
[11:38] <[nrx_] > d'you know what chipset's on it?
[11:38] <Arnia> Unless the Human Interface Guidelines have started including advice on UIs for insects...
[11:38] <Arnia> Maybe dolphins and white mice
[11:38] <grogoreo> efbie, how much memory have you got?
[11:38] <kent> Guilmon, and most non-humans dont use computers btw.
[11:38] <synd> ugh the wireless card i bought just released a "Rev B" that comes with the Atheros Chipset and thats natively supported by Ubuntu :/
[11:38] <efbie> 512
[11:38] <Guilmon> kent: some do.
[11:39] <[nrx_] > synd, what card do you have? and what's the chipset on it?
[11:39] <kent> Guilmon, who?
[11:39] <Guilmon> kent: tell that to the lab monkeys ;)
[11:39] <PecK> lol Guilmon
[11:39] <grogoreo> efbie, that may be allright, some say you dont really need a swap partiton if you have like 512MB
[11:39] <Guilmon> and other lab experiments
[11:39] <synd> nrx, D-Link DWL G510.. Marvell W8300 chipset
[11:39] <efbie> okay.
[11:39] <Guilmon> so you can't say "linux for human beings"
[11:39] <Guilmon> it should be for all living creatures
[11:39] <kent> Guilmon, you dont happen to one of those offended monkeys? ;)
[11:40] <[nrx_] > synd, aahh, i'm running the DWL-G650+ XTreme
[11:40] <PecK> plus kent, think of the time when we'll actually build an intelligent computer. who'll be AWARE of its existence... define humanity by then :)
[11:40] <grogoreo> efbie, if you want one, and you have some free space you could make one
[11:40] <[nrx_] > synd, and that's without ndiswrapper
[11:40] <Guilmon> kent: no, I'm an offended reptile ;)
[11:40] <efbie> that would be nice how can i do that ?
[11:40] <Guilmon> kent: you specist!
[11:40] <grogoreo> erm
[11:40] <Guilmon> specist specist specist!
[11:40] <t325>  hello, how to configure amarok to output the sound to the three line outs of my audigy2 zs, using xine engine on alsa drivers? (currently just the main output is active in xine or amarok, but the 3 work in non xine outputting progs)
[11:41] <synd> yours must have teh Atheros chipset
[11:41] <kent> PecK, that has nothing to do with it.  He wants a system designed for creatures that are not like humans, that behave diffrently.  If you talk about an intelligent computer, then its still *intelligent*.
[11:41] <grogoreo> guys whats the command for creating a new partition, f* something
[11:41] <[nrx_] > synd, it's got the TX110 chipset.. unsupported but possible with acx_pci
[11:41] <synd> so am i going about this the wrong way??
[11:42] <Guilmon> s/specist/speciesist/g
[11:42] <synd> ie. is there a better/easier way to do it?
[11:42] <[nrx_] > synd, it depends on the chipset of the card.. if you go to the ndiswrapper site, you'll find out what chipset's on yours
[11:42] <fr3dd> #openbsd
[11:42] <PecK> kent, well ask God Bill what he thinks a human is.
[11:42] <synd> yeah.. I just did that. it's the marwell W8300
[11:42] <kent> Guilmon, why would an animal be offended by a linux distribution specialised for a purpose? I meen, i dont get offended by floppy-based distribution for firewalls etc. Its all for a purpose, and Ubuntu is for humans ;)  The monkeys can build there own distribution, its the power of open source. They have access to the kernel and gnome archive ;)
[11:43] <[nrx_] > should be okay with ndiswrapper then
[11:43] <Guilmon> kent: speciesist!
[11:43] <t325> grogoreo, fdisk, or parted, or qtparted
[11:43] <grogoreo> t325, thanks, i was thinking of cfdisk
[11:43] <kent> Guilmon, Perhaps dropping this would be a great id? :)
[11:44] <PecK> grogoreo, didn't find anything interesting for your sound problem sorry
[11:44] <t325> ..so noone for my xine problem?
[11:44] <synd> I just gotta find that damn manufactures disk
[11:44] <efbie> I think that i'll add a partition by reinstalling ubuntu, i REALLY don't want to lost data, and anyway there is some things that i messed up due to my newbiness in linux... :)
[11:44] <Guilmon> kent: I'll email the developers about it, this is an outrage.
[11:44] <grogoreo> PecK, thanks anyway
[11:44] <[nrx_] > synd, get it from the website... www.dlink.com
[11:44] <grogoreo> efbie, ok
[11:44] <kent> Guilmon, and cut down on the smoking while your at it.. ;)
[11:45] <grogoreo> efbie, but if you change your mind the commands to use are fdisk or cfdisk
[11:45] <gratuit> when using xcompmgr to create dropshadows, is it possible to get rid of shadows on certain windows? (I don't want shadows on my icons)
[11:45] <efbie> thank you :)
[11:46] <grogoreo> gratuit, when you install xcompmgr did you have to install anything else (I'm just intersted in getting shadows on my windows. sorry i cant help with your problem)
[11:47] <grogoreo> gratuit, and did you have to change any configs for it. I'm about to install it via apt
[11:47] <synd> One of these days theyre gonna find my name in the obituaries.. saying "Death by computer"
[11:48] <Guilmon> kent: who are you to decide who ubuntu is for?
[11:48] <gratuit> grogoreo: xcompmgr is all you need to install, you'll need to add a few things to xorg.conf, and you can install transset if you want true translucency in your windows
[11:48] <Guilmon> kent: its a speciesist statement "linux for human beings"
[11:48] <grogoreo> gratuit, what would I have to enter into my xorg.conf?
[11:48] <huffers> what other species might like to use ubuntu?
[11:48] <Guilmon> huffers: any
[11:48] <folta> hey, i think i've broken the sudoers file, can someone tell me what i have to add to make myself a superuser again?
[11:49] <Guilmon> huffers: you never know, somebody might be using ubuntu for experiements
[11:49] <huffers> is there suitable hardware available?
[11:49] <huffers> I mean, how should an ant use a keyboard?
[11:49] <Guilmon> huffers: birds can use the computer, and possibly other species
[11:49] <kent> Guilmon, the developers of Ubuntu is to decide who ubuntu is for. Thats one of the freedom you get when you live in a free society. ;)
[11:49] <randabis> just remember xcompmgr is very buggy
[11:49] <Guilmon> huffers: cats like playing with the computer.
[11:49] <gratuit> grogoreo: can I PM you?
[11:49] <huffers> now thats true :-/
[11:49] <grogoreo> gratuit, ye, sure
[11:50] <yoko-omo> is tehre something one must do to install more ram in ubuntu?
[11:50] <kent> How do i get the source of a package with synaptic? I know i can do it from apt-get, but is it possible from synaptic?
[11:50] <robl^> that's right.. Teletubbies are free to fork ubuntu and create Tubbieuntu if they want!
[11:50] <yoko-omo> how about removing cards? will taht fuck anything up?
[11:50] <gratuit> 	Option "Composite" "Enable"
[11:50] <gratuit>     EndSection
[11:50] <PecK> Hey, how hard would it be to have an apache server running on an usb key, with mysql and php?
[11:50] <Guilmon> kent: humanity means more than 1 definition
[11:50] <kent> yoko-omo, you can insert more ram as you wish with no problems, and as long as you dont use the cards I think you can remove them.
[11:50] <Guilmon> kent: it signifies the act/quality of being humane
[11:50] <PecK> Guilmon, sure of that?
[11:51] <PecK> Guilmon, can't you define it?
[11:51] <Guilmon> kent: meaning being good to others
[11:51] <yoko-omo> http://durrrrr.blogspot.com/
[11:51] <Guilmon> PecK: dictionary
[11:51] <yoko-omo> kent: well, it's  modem
[11:51] <folta> do i just need to addmyself to the root group to put things back to normal?
[11:51] <yoko-omo> I don't know if I have to uninstall it or if ubuntu will auto detect
[11:51] <neighborlee> boy installing kubuntu really messed up my gnome menus...I dont think its ready ;-) ( I was curious but now its gone and menus are fine again)
[11:51] <PecK> Guilmon, what do you mean?
[11:52] <Guilmon> PecK: use a dictionary and look it up ;)
[11:52] <kent> yoko-omo, do you use it? if not, then you should be able to remove it. If you use it, then you cant remove it.. but i guess you could figure that by your self :)
[11:52] <yoko-omo> ok, what if I never use it, but it is inside the machine
[11:52] <PecK> Guilmon, I don't care about the dictionnary, I was asking u for your definition
[11:52] <Guilmon> PecK: I'll tell you the dictionary definition
[11:53] <yoko-omo> weqll, here goes nothing
[11:53] <Guilmon> PecK: the quality of being humane
[11:53] <synd> Would yall recommend using hoary on a intel P3, 128MB laptop?
[11:53] <PecK> Guilmon, well thx............................ lol
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> is there a package that generates passwds? I used to use mkpasswd from the tcl examples.
[11:54] <synd> Would yall recommend using hoary on a P3, 128 MB ?
[11:55] <synd> laptop
[11:55] <dockane> synd, i am using it on thinkpad p3 800 with 192 mb ran
[11:55] <mjr> synd, well, sure
[11:56] <PecK> well i have it on a p3 256 and i'm loving it
[11:56] <factotum> synd: i have it running on a pentuim166 with 64 megs
[11:56] <mjr> synd, might have more memory, but at least it's three figures :)
[11:56] <dockane> synd, no "perfomance" problems up to now for me
[11:56] <Guilmon> lamont: just that one phrase on gnome boot is offensive
[11:56] <thanatosys> does anyone know how to fix that gst-register problem in hoary with rythymbox?
[11:57] <factotum> i did drop gnome in favor of blackbox on that system though, just for a little bit more speed
[11:57] <synd> so, it should do much better than XP Pro, right?
[11:57] <crimsun> thanatosys: bug #?
[11:57] <crimsun> thanatosys: or better description?
[11:57] <thanatosys> ok well
[11:57] <factotum> synd: i would think so
[11:57] <PecK> synd, should indeed
[11:57] <folta> s'ok, i sorted it by adding {user} ALL=(ALL) ALL
[11:57] <folta> or some such
[11:57] <thanatosys> whenever i click to open rythymbox i get this error
[11:58] <synd> im new to linux and just got ubuntu on my main PC and after I get this wireless card working im gonna trash XP on it. anyway, i found an old toshiba p3 700mhz with a dvd player so im thinking about ubuntu on that
[11:58] <thanatosys> ok now it is telling me it cannot handle mp3's no more error
[11:58] <stuNNed> how to load a custom dsdt?
[11:58] <thanatosys> but umm i have all of the mp3 stuff as beep works
[11:59] <factotum> synd: good idea, in regards to both computers both computers
[11:59] <crimsun> thanatosys: beep includes a mpg123 library, so it's not relevant here.
[11:59] <dabugas> hiii
[11:59] <crimsun> thanatosys: same for xmms