[12:10] <motaboy> Well, I'd like to help you in every way you'll need. Are there some important tasks where you need an hands?
[12:10] <motaboy> s/hands/hand
[12:11] <Riddell> motaboy: package abakus
[12:11] <motaboy> Riddell: what's that?
[12:12] <Riddell> motaboy: a groovy calculator applications I happen to like
[12:12] <motaboy> Riddell: you'd like that I package it?
[12:12] <Riddell> motaboy: yep :)
[12:12] <motaboy> Riddell: ok.
[12:13] <motaboy> Riddell: the problem is that I don't know how to get a really working (read: file index), package hosting...
[12:13] <motaboy> Riddell: and using my gentoo's one is not politically correct :P
[12:15] <Riddell> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages && gzip -f Packages
[12:15] <haggai> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | tee Packages | gzip -c -9 Packages
[12:15] <haggai> oops
[12:15] <haggai> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | tee Packages | gzip -c -9 > Packages.gz
[12:16] <haggai> generates uncompressed and compressed version
[12:16] <motaboy> Riddell, haggai thanks for the hint!. But I hate that other's cannot see the package tree via http.
[12:17] <Riddell> motaboy: well that's just a setting of the webserver, if you don't control the web server there's nothing you can do about that
[12:18] <motaboy> Riddell: yeah... I spent all the day searching for a good free web hosting without success. :(
[12:18] <amu> ah right my fault, with k3b ripping them isnt possible, it works with kaffeine and streamripper 
[12:19] <motaboy> amu: I'd be happy to fix this if you don't have time and if it's ok for you.
[12:20] <motaboy> amu: this is not only related to ripping but also to decoding.
[12:20] <amu> motaboy: the question is, why libmad0 is in main 
[12:22] <amu> ah, amarok
[12:25] <amu> motaboy: do you have also qt-skills? did you fixed your bluetooth package? 
[12:25] <motaboy> amu: I wrote some kdeapplications like the kdebluetooth programs and libs.
[12:26] <motaboy> amu: Are there some problems with kdebluetooth that I'm not aware?
[12:27] <amu> motaboy: heh no, kynaptic our packageinstaller need definitiv some love :)
[12:27] <motaboy> amu: eheh, are there other active developers behind it?
[12:28] <Riddell> nope 
[12:28] <amu> motaboy: yep, mvo maintains it and he needs help for the qt part of it.  
[12:29] <motaboy> amu: well, I think that there are some good things to do in the next days :D
[12:29] <motaboy> amu: I noticed that for gnome someone of ubuntu wrote a new update manager.
[12:29] <Riddell> we should get kde bluetooth in universe, can haggai check it?
[12:29] <amu> motaboy: wow, guess mvo will be your best friend if you could help him a bit :) 
[12:31] <motaboy> amu: I'll try. :D. unfortunately at work I'm behind a stupid http proxy and I cannot access freenode... :(
[12:31] <amu> Riddell: i'm requested help from the motu's for it .... first rewiew of it, just finished 
[12:31] <motaboy> amu: How is my kdebluetooth packaging? does it sucks a lot?
[12:31] <Riddell> amu: by someone with a bluetooth device?
[12:31] <amu> motaboy: you should read your mails ;) 
[12:32] <motaboy> hu!!
[12:33] <amu> Riddell: yep, dholbach tested it. 
[12:34] <motaboy> amu: Oh, great review! I'll fix it tomorrow :D 
[12:35] <Riddell> ah, Kamion has come to tell us how debian-installer now installs the correct kde-i18n package
[12:36] <amu> Riddell: ;)
[12:37] <haggai> Riddell: will check bluetooth in morning, going to bed night
[12:37] <Kamion> Riddell: hmph, I suppose you're going to want me to fix base-config ...
[12:38] <Riddell> Kamion: I don't know what that is but it sounds important so fixing it would be good :)
[12:41] <Kamion> Riddell: base-config is the piece responsible for installing second-stage packages
[12:41] <Riddell> Kamion: do you think you'll be able to do that in time for release?
[12:41] <Kamion> Riddell: are you going to want language-support-* to be installed too?
[12:42] <Kamion> Riddell: or language-pack-*, come to that?
[12:44] <Riddell> Kamion: if they're on the CD yes
[12:44] <Kamion> seems to me that kde-i18n-* is a bit more like language-pack-*
[12:46] <motaboy> night all!
[12:46] <amu> motaboy: please letme know soon as possible, where you uploaded the new files
[12:47] <Riddell> 23:46 < amu> motaboy: please letme know soon as possible, where you uploaded the new files
[12:47] <Kamion> Riddell: d-i'll ask the user in the event that language-support-* isn't on the CD
[12:47] <amu> Riddell: your time is wrong *g* 
[12:48] <motaboy> amu: ok. I'll upload them tomorrow when I come home from work. as I cannot access ssh behind the http proxy...
[12:48] <Kamion> amu: it's perfectly accurate for the UK ...
[12:49] <Riddell> silly BST, so much easier when we're on GMT the one true timezone
[12:49] <motaboy> night all again :D
[12:49] <amu> motaboy: mail is also fine, thx
[12:50] <motaboy> amu: ok. I'll mail them. :D
[12:51] <Kamion> Riddell: ok, hmm. I can do this relatively easily (er, well, hackily, but hey) for nearly all cases; but kde-i18n-(engb|ptbr|zhcn) are going to be tricky
[12:51] <Kamion> Riddell: can I pass on those for the meantime and fix them up post-hoary?
[12:51] <amu> Riddell: ;-)
[12:51] <Riddell> no en gb?  we'll be Americanized!
[12:52] <Kamion> en_GB people I know can cope, pt_BR I *think* can read normal Portuguese, zh_CN er they're kinda screwed because there's no kde-i18n-zh
[12:52] <Riddell> night amu 
[12:53] <Riddell> Kamion: that's fine, but arn't those languages available in the language-support-* and language-pack-*?
[12:53] <Kamion> Riddell: yes; language-pack-pt provides both pt and pt_BR, etc.
[12:53] <Kamion> which simplifies things
[12:53] <Riddell> right
[12:54] <Kamion> hmm, I suppose I could make this work
[12:54] <Kamion> but it's fiddly and would require more testing
[12:54] <Riddell> well getting the majority of languages in is the important thing
[12:57] <Kamion> yeah, that was kind of my thinking
[01:04] <Kamion> Riddell: FWIW it's unlikely I'll have time to do any Kubuntu test installs between now and RC, so you guys get to verify that this works :-0
[01:04] <Kamion> :-)
[01:05] <Riddell> that's what I like, living on the edge
[01:14] <Riddell> Kamion: presumably debian-installer sets $LANG
[01:14] <Riddell> kde seems to set it's initial language based on that
[01:14] <apokryphos_> Any decisions made re: default package manager for this release, or not yet? :)
[01:15] <Riddell> apokryphos_: no change yet
[01:17] <Kamion> Riddell: yes
[02:27] <Riddell> lamont: any idea what's wrong with this kdebase compile?
[02:27] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdebase/4:3.4.0-0ubuntu12/kdebase_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu12_20050329-0037-amd64-failed
[02:27] <Riddell> pkgstriptranslations: inconsistent /CurrentlyBuilding file, Package: value is guppi (should be kdebase)
[02:30] <Kamion> Riddell: base-config uploaded with appropriate logic, and debian-cd tweaked to take advantage of it; next CD build should install kde-i18n-*, except for engb|ptbr|zhcn as mentioned earlier
[02:31] <Riddell> Kamion: excellent, thanks
[02:34] <lamont> Riddell: that's your basic 'how the hell did it launch a 2nd buildd' question
[02:35] <Riddell> lamont: can I leave it in your capable hands to sort out?
[02:35] <lamont> Riddell: yeah
[03:10] <mdz> db4.0 still wants to enter main; are there builds which need to be retried?
[03:12] <Riddell> mdz: kdesdk hasn't built yet for some reason (maybe waiting on kdebase)
[03:13] <mdz> Riddell: what's the good version of kdesdk?
[03:13] <Riddell> 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu4
[03:17] <Riddell> mdz: can you remove python-gnome2, python-glade2 and python-gtk2 from kubuntu desktop seed?
[03:19] <mdz> Riddell: done
[03:23] <Riddell> mdz: could you also remove xscreensaver, rss-glx and xscreensaver-gl and replace them with kscreensaver
[03:24] <mdz> it's a bit late in the release to be making this kind of change
[03:25] <mdz> done nonetheless
[03:25] <Riddell> thanks
[03:26] <Riddell> mdz: when will those changes appear at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-hoary/desktop
[03:26] <mdz> Riddell: that's updated at */17 I believe
[03:27] <mdz> or something odd like that; Kamion can confirm
[03:33] <Kamion> 5,20,35,50 * * * *      update-seeds
[03:34] <Kamion> kicked
[03:59] <mdz> Riddell: you're going to upload a new kubuntu-meta, yes?
[04:01] <Riddell> mdz: already done
[04:01] <mdz> ah, just came through on -changes
[04:01] <Riddell> see, tell me enough times and I learn :)
[10:19] <haggai> moin
[02:31] <amu> froud-work: the kdepim sektion in your docs are invalid :) 
[02:34] <Riddell> kdebase hasn't built on amd64 yet, lamont should you put it back?
[02:34] <Riddell> kdesdk hasn't built, pretty sure I remember uploading that
[02:36] <elmo> Riddell: kdebase failed
[02:37] <elmo> kdesdk also failed, probably for all arches
[02:37] <elmo> please check the build logs
[02:41] <Riddell> elmo: kdebase failed for only one architecture, lamont said it was because a second buildd started at the same time
[02:42] <Riddell> elmo: I uploaded kdesdk 0ubuntu4 but can't see any build logs for it
[02:43] <Riddell> I also uploaded new kdewebdev and kdetoys and can't see any build logs for them, maybe they're waiting on kdebase
[02:43] <elmo> hmm
[02:45] <elmo> gar
[02:51] <elmo> fixed kdesdk - it had broken katie
[02:51] <elmo> given back kdebase
[03:16] <amu> elmo: you have mail, after moving them, could you please restart kdeaddons
[03:33] <froud-work> amu: each time I remove it, a user comes along with a problem pertaining to it, can I safely remove it now
[03:36] <Beineri> Riddell: it seems you chose the way to try to rid of gtk+ - so why is hal-device-manager (purely informational?) still there and pulling gtk2 and libgnome* in? :-)
[03:37] <Riddell> tis a good question Beineri 
[03:37] <Riddell> amu, haggai: any problems with removing it
[03:47] <haggai> Riddell: no idea why its there, maybe a leftover from the ubuntu seed copy
[03:48] <haggai> so fine with me to remove
[03:48] <haggai> Beineri: :)
[03:49] <elmo> could someone have a look at why python-qt isn't installable btw?
[03:49] <Kamion> erm ... if you want to get rid of gtk from Kubuntu you've got a hell of a long way to go
[03:49] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/kubuntu-hoary/rdepends/gtk+2.0/libgtk2.0-0
[03:49] <elmo> (cf. hplip build log)
[03:49] <Kamion> (searching for "kubuntu" in there is probably the right way to start, there's a lot of the tree that's only due to things like ubuntu-desktop being supported
[03:50] <Kamion> )
[03:50] <Beineri> Kamion: getting rid of libgnome/vfs/bonobo/pythongnome/ ... :-)
[03:50] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/kubuntu-hoary/rdepends/libgnome/libgnome2-0
[03:50] <Kamion> etc.
[03:51] <Beineri> Kamion: how to read that lists? sure that it's for Kubuntu? I read stuff like Evolution in there!?
[03:52] <Kamion> Beineri: yes I'm quite sure and I said above
[03:55] <Kamion> it's a bit confused though because rookery's mirror is nearly a week out of date, damn thing
[03:56] <Beineri> ah, that's why the LiveCD is so out of date
[03:57] <Kamion> I doubt it; rookery has nothing to do with CD building
[03:58] <elmo> Riddell: kdesdk ubuntu4 failed too
[03:59] <Beineri> Kamion: than it must be some other reason :-(
[03:59] <Kamion> Beineri: the live CD is out of date because kdepim has been uninstallable for five days
[04:00] <Beineri> Kamion: and then it uploads the old ISO with a new timestamp?
[04:00] <Kamion> Beineri: no, it builds a new ISO with the old live filesystem image
[04:01] <Kamion> eventually (fairly soon) the old image will be purged and the ISOs will stop building
[04:01] <Kamion> the current behaviour is useful because it insulates you from temporary failures on the live-filesystem buildd
[04:12] <Beineri> [kde-announce]  amaroK 1.2.3 Released!       *sigh*
[04:14] <Riddell> gah
[04:14] <Beineri> "In other news, development of amaroK 1.3 has now started!" - will take some time apparently :-)
[04:17] <dato> fwiw, it's already in sid
[04:18] <Riddell> dato: not acording to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/amarok is that out of date?
[04:19] <dato> it was uploaded this morning. in Debian dinstall runs daily, not hourly ;-)
[04:19] <dato> (which means, it's still in incoming.debian.org)
[04:41] <ttf> amu: guess it's obvious (just wanted to confirm that you know) that the install CD is broken - checked yesterdays and todays iso.. kdepim - well gnupg-agent actually is the problem.
[04:42] <amu> ttf: right, they wait for elmo
[04:44] <Beineri> amu: do you need hal-device-manager? :-)
[04:44] <elmo> amu: I did it a while ago
[04:45] <amu> elmo: cool, also pinentry?
[04:46] <elmo> amu:pinentry doesn't show in my list - what needs it?
[04:47] <amu> pinentry-qt needs to be also in main 
[04:47] <elmo> amu: what needs it?
[04:47] <elmo> and, err, it is in main?
[04:48] <elmo> pinentry-qt |    0.7.1-5 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[04:49] <amu> Filename: pool/universe/p/pinentry/pinentry-qt_0.7.1-5_i386.deb
[04:49] <elmo> amu: no on archive.u.c
[04:51] <amu> great, my local mirror isnt uptodate :)
[04:59] <Beineri> some kde-i18n are still in universe...
[05:00] <Kamion> Beineri: they aren't seeded
[05:00] <Beineri> Kamion: any reason for that?
[05:01] <Kamion> no idea, I'm just stating a fact
[05:02] <Beineri> Riddell: it looks like you can add konq-plugins to the seed now (when stripping hal-device-manager) :-)...
[05:11] <Riddell> konq-plugins looks good
[05:11] <Riddell> mdz: please remove hal-device-manager from the seeds and add konq-plugins
[05:12] <elmo> Riddell: did you see my whine about kdesdk?
[05:12] <Beineri> and kde-i18n-br, -fy, -ga, -lt, -mk, -se ,-srlatn?
[05:13] <Kamion> Riddell: konq-plugins -> desktop?
[05:13] <Riddell> Kamion: yes please
[05:14] <Kamion> Riddell: done, but are you fixing / have you fixed the way it's uninstallable?
[05:14] <Riddell> Kamion: it installs fine here
[05:14] <Kamion> is that recent?
[05:15] <Riddell> elmo: saw that it didn't compile, I'll take a look at that
[05:15] <Kamion> I'm looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html
[05:15] <elmo> Kamion: that's okay now
[05:15] <Kamion> elmo: ok
[05:15] <Riddell> Kamion: about an hour ago says http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdeaddons/4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1/
[05:15] <Kamion> Riddell: ok to add those kde-i18n-* packages to supported?
[05:16] <Riddell> Kamion: yes please
[05:20] <Kamion> Riddell: done, will need manual action to actually pull those into main, as usual
[05:21] <Riddell> Beineri: is that definatly all the missing language packs or should double check?
[05:22] <Beineri> Riddell: I only see those 7 but feel free to check :-)
[05:22] <Beineri> all others are still 3.2.3
[05:23] <Riddell> those language packs are pretty small, but I suppose they have to start somewhere
[05:24] <Beineri> among them are several which were released together with 3.4?
[05:26] <Beineri> there will be more languages and/or greater packages for 3.4.x :-)
[05:29] <Kamion> Riddell: I double-checked
[05:35] <ttf> any problem with adding an rsync section to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuFiles ? - might save some bandwidth
[05:37] <lamont> dh_install -pkbugbuster
[05:37] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/kcal_bugzilla.so': No such file or directory
[05:37] <lamont> which comes back to:
[05:38] <lamont> checking for APR... /build/buildd/kdesdk-3.4.0/./configure: line 33523: apr-config: command not found
[05:38] <lamont>  /build/buildd/kdesdk-3.4.0/./configure: line 33523: /usr/local/apr/bin/apr-config: No such file or directory
[05:38] <Kamion> ttf: more server load though - we stopped advertising rsync URLs for CDs a while ago because you can only have so many rsyncers before the server gets very unhappy
[05:40] <elmo> be much better to advertise torrent
[05:41] <Kamion> which that wiki page does
[05:41] <haggai> lamont: thanks, looks like libapr0-dev is missing from build-deps
[05:46] <haggai> amu: what's up with kdesdk?
[05:48] <Riddell> haggai: I'm looking at kdesdk
[05:49] <Riddell> haggai: congrats, successful kdebindings
[05:49] <haggai> Riddell: thanks :)
[05:50] <haggai> Riddell: cdbs/kde.mk needs updating in the package
[05:50] <haggai> Riddell: otherwise you get errors because debian/man does not exist
[05:51] <Riddell> ok
[05:51] <ttf> Kamion: k - will leave it out then
[06:21] <ttf> Riddell: the date font is *really* small (as haggai said) - and the funny thing is that the clock only shows date in the beginning. only after I change the date fonte to e..g 11 the time is actually shown.
[06:22] <ttf> Riddell: will do some more testing on that. would leave the date out of the clock field anyways as it is pops up as soon as the mouse cursor is above the clock
[06:33] <ttf> Riddell: found out why that happens: the time font (16) is too big for the clock field if the date font is only 10 (the clock field size is relative to the *date* size). increasing the date font (e.g. to 11) will make the clock field grow and so the time gets displayed as well. decreading the time font (e.g. to 15) will also display the time as it is then small enough to fit into the clock field.
[06:35] <ttf> another way to get the time displayed is to decrease the panel size to <=31 as that will make the time be displayed next to the date instead of on top :) - this was tested at 1024x768
[07:18] <elmo> haggai: needs mor ethan just libapr0-dev
[07:18] <haggai> Riddell: ^
[07:19] <elmo>                  from conftest.cc:50:
[07:19] <elmo> /usr/include/kde/libkcal/customproperties.h:27:26: kdepimmacros.h: No such file or directory
[07:19] <elmo> seems to be the problem
[07:32] <elmo> looks like libkcal2-dev needs a depends kdepim-dev ?
[07:33] <dato> yes. bab mentioned some days ago on #d-q-k
[07:35] <dato> also on litkntef1-dev, fwiw.
[07:36] <motaboy> Hi all
[07:42] <elmo> ok, adding kdepim-dev as dep of libkcal2-dev is enough to get kdesdk building
[07:42] <elmo> haggai/amu/riddell: could one of you guys take care of that soon-ish pls?  kdesdk is one of the 3 remaining FTBFS/uninstallables
[07:58] <amu> elmo: ok
[08:13] <mdz> good morning kubuntu
[08:14] <mdz> are we ready to build kubuntu release candidate candidates?
[08:14] <Kamion> (note that Ubuntu images are currently building)
[08:14] <Beineri> is kubuntu-meta already changed?
[08:18] <mdz> Kamion: a new xorg is on the way up
[08:19] <mdz> Beineri: it was changed yesterday; are there further changes which need to be incorporated?
[08:19] <Beineri> mdz: hal-device-manager drop and konq-plugins addition?
[08:19] <Kamion> mdz: I know, but I wanted to test the installer changes ASAP
[08:19] <Beineri> Riddell: ping
[08:19] <mdz> Kamion: understood; just making sure you were aware
[08:20] <Kamion> yep
[08:20] <mdz> Beineri: uploading
[08:24] <haggai> mdz: *pounce* I thought libmad and related stuff was universe only yet libmad/libmad0 is still in main
[08:24] <haggai> mdz: what is the deal?  I'm asking because I discovered an internal libmad in xine
[09:04] <motaboy> Riddell: hi!
[09:05] <motaboy> Riddell: I've quite finished abakus. Now I have to go, I'll post it on the webspace later. Bye!
[10:27] <motaboy> If kdebluetooth should go in experimental, have I to declare in the control file: Section: universe/kde?
[10:43] <Riddell> motaboy: just kde I think
[10:43] <motaboy> Riddell: thanks.
[10:56] <amu> sektion is only kde 
[11:36] <haggai> Riddell: do you have any idea what screwed up the desktop settings?  Several people have complained on irc, mailing list and I get strange behaviour too now
[11:37] <Beineri> how screwed up? what settings?
[11:37] <Riddell> haggai: mm no, what's the strange behavious
[11:37] <Riddell> haggai: mm no, what's the strange behaviour
[11:37] <Riddell> been away this afternoon, still catching up
[11:39] <haggai> Riddell: I lost all my taskbar settings when relogging in after last nights update
[11:39] <haggai> Riddell: see latest post to kubuntu-users too
[11:40] <haggai> Riddell: my taskbar was completely blank after re-logging in - no k-menu, no settings, no clock etc
[11:40] <haggai> Riddell: how did you make changes to kubuntu-defaults?  With a text editor or another method?
[11:41] <apokryphos> haggai: That's happened to quite a few users, actually, at one point; everyone who was doing a dist-upgrade... I just did one today though, and didn't get that problem.
[11:41] <Riddell> haggai: text editor, based on what I find in my own ~/.kde/share/config
[11:41] <haggai> amu said he didn't see the problem either
[11:41] <amu> funny, mine panel was fine 
[11:41] <Riddell> I did change kickerrc last night, not sure what would be broken though
[11:43] <haggai> Riddell: on a completely new user I don't see the kubuntu background either.  Did you try making a new user account and logging in?
[11:44] <Beineri> haggai: do you have a /etc/kderc ? :-)
[11:44] <haggai> Beineri: Beineri /etc/kderc? no
[11:44] <amu> arg again a new xserver 
[11:44] <Beineri> haggai: purge kubuntu-default-settings and reinstall it :-)
[11:45] <Beineri> and if you have a /etc/kde-profile left-over - kill it too imo
[11:45] <haggai> Beineri: hmm, I have a kde-user-profile
[11:45] <Beineri> haggai: yeah, that one :-), it's now under /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings iirc
[11:46] <Riddell> just tried it with a new user, works fine
[11:46] <Riddell> so kderc strangeness is the likely candidate
[11:46] <apokryphos> Beineri: do you think that's related to the kicker problem? Since, after I did that (k-d-s purge yesterday), I didn't have the problem with this dist-upgrade
[11:47] <Beineri> apokryphos: dunno, at least it fixes the "new user default settings" problem
[11:47] <haggai> so where did my kderc go then I wonder
[11:47] <apokryphos> hm, I see I still have kde-user-profile though
[11:47] <apokryphos> Beineri: right.
[11:48] <seb128> hi
[11:49] <haggai> hi seb
[11:49] <seb128> anybody here with some knowledge of the fd specifications (desktops/icons) and of what KDE is doing according to that ?
[11:49] <haggai> Riddell: any idea whether any of your updates would have wiped kderc?
[11:49] <seb128> Icon=konsole
[11:49] <seb128> /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/konsole.png
[11:49] <seb128> /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/konsole.png
[11:49] <seb128> 
[11:49] <seb128> that seems to be broken 
[11:50] <seb128> the package should install an icon in /usr/share/pixmaps/, shouldn't it ?
[11:50] <Riddell> haggai: dunno, not sure why they would but not sure what else would do it
[11:50] <seb128> or in hicolor
[11:50] <Riddell> haggai: that file hasn't changed unless you had an old version that kept preferences in /etc not /usr/share
[11:51] <Riddell> seb128: yes it's broken, there are a great many KDE apps that only install icons to crystal and not hicolour, they're all broken
[11:51] <Riddell> I may fix them all for KDE 3.5 if I have time
[11:51] <seb128> k
[11:51] <haggai> Riddell: define old version.  I have just been apt-get upgrading all the time
[11:51] <seb128> because a guy is bugging on gnome and suggests to do some hacks
[11:51] <seb128> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8341
[11:51] <Riddell> haggai: weeks old
[11:51] <seb128> I'll close the bug :)
[11:52] <seb128> thanks
[11:52] <Beineri> haggai: uhm, not the kde-user-profile file. I menat a kde-profile or alike *directory*
[11:52] <Riddell> seb128: blame upstream
[11:53] <seb128> I don't blame anybody, I just want to be sure that's not a gnome-menus/panel bug
[11:53] <seb128> I will let you blame whoever is to blame then :)
[11:53] <seb128> thanks
[11:53] <Riddell> haggai: but even if the file could change any idea what would just delete it?  I nead to read up on the properties of .deb config files
[11:53] <haggai> Riddell: only a maintainer script gone wild
[11:54] <Riddell> haggai: maintainer script?
[11:54] <haggai> Riddell: just chekced kubuntu-default-settings, there are no scripts in there
[11:54] <haggai> Riddell: preinst/postinst etc
[11:54] <uniq> hey.. looks like some of the new i18n packages are broken.. atleast -nb and -no.. are..
[11:54] <Riddell> nope, nothing fancy in there
[11:54] <haggai> uniq: make sure you have ubuntu3
[11:54] <Riddell> wonder if one of the KDE packages does things to kderc
[11:54] <haggai> Riddell: shouldn't be possible normally - that's owned by root
[11:55] <haggai> hmm, I did run kcontrol as root to work around kdesu problems...
[11:55] <uniq> haggai: mkay.. did they come today?
[11:55] <haggai> uniq: no, but very recently
[11:56] <uniq> haggai: ok.. my mirrors are probably slow then.. 
[11:57] <seb128> thanks guys
[11:58] <uniq> ahgood.. it works.. thanks a bunch.. (the packagefiles for no.archive and se.archive weren't updated 5 hours ago.. i've got everything ubuntu2)..