[12:22] <verden01> Hi
[12:26] <verden01> hey anyone been running kubuntu for long?
[12:27] <verden01> anyone from Australia?
[12:27] <Riddell> verden01: yes, no but I'm visiting next month
[12:27] <verden01> cool
[12:28] <verden01> whats kubuntu like?
[12:29] <coruja> kde-ubuntu :)
[12:30] <verden01> lol  i guessed that
[12:31] <coruja> maybe give kubuntu's live cd a try and experience yourself a bit :)
[12:32] <verden01> i've instaled the original version of Ubuntu and am now upgrading to hoary and will then install the kubuntu-desktop
[12:32] <coruja> ah, ok
[12:33] <verden01> i mainly use Libranet
[12:34] <coruja> as far as i know both kubuntu and ubuntu use the same ubuntu-base, so changing from one to another seems no problem...
[12:34] <verden01> thats my impression as well
[12:34] <verden01> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[12:35] <verden01> anyway i haven't used ubuntu x64 for a while and when i re-instaled it yesterday i had forgotton how fast it is
[12:35] <coruja> hehe
[12:36] <verden01> when use add the universe repository you have a lot more great debian packages to choose from as well
[12:36] <coruja> rather the same reason here, being fed up with mepis and mandrake and their overweight installations by default...
[12:37] <coruja> though mepis' multimedia features are very nice...
[12:37] <verden01> yeah you just add the packages you need
[12:38] <coruja> but >3gb of mepis vs ~1gb of kubuntu... ;)
[12:38] <verden01> haven't used mepis for a while
[12:38] <verden01> but agree that its a good distro
[12:38] <verden01> yeah
[12:39] <verden01> well ubuntu also have x64 which is great 
[12:39] <coruja> ok, past midnight here, time for bed... :)
[12:40] <verden01> ok bye its only 10 past 8am here
[12:40] <coruja> old europe, you know... bye ;)
[12:41] <verden01> hahaha
[12:49] <verden01> Hi
[12:55] <verden01> Hi
[01:02] <codyman> i just installed kubuntu.. i installed gstreamer0.8-mad yet i still can't play any music... what other packages are needed since only arts is installed?
[01:03] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell codyman ubukde
[01:03] <Pyre> codyman: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[01:03] <apokryphos> install that pacakge described there
[01:03] <codyman> thanks
[01:04] <apokryphos> no problem
[01:04] <codyman> Pyre: akode-mpeg?
[01:05] <apokryphos> that's it
[01:06] <codyman> there is no "apt-get install akode-mpeg" and "apt-get install akode" is already installed
[01:06] <codyman> o wait
[01:06] <codyman> forgot to enable universe
[01:06] <codyman> bleh
[01:07] <apokryphos> :)
[01:07] <codyman> i should make a list of things i need to do everytime i reinstall... too many to remember off the top of my head
[01:07] <codyman> imagine that.. akode-mpeg found...
[01:37] <randabis> Hi kubuntuites :p
[01:38] <apokryphos> Hmm, I always thought of us as Kubuntunians. 
[01:38] <apokryphos> 8)
[01:40] <Riddell> Kubuntish?
[01:43] <randabis> well, ymmv
[01:44] <randabis> I wish xcompmgr was stable :/ it was looking sweet
[01:44] <randabis> I can't afford to have my xserver crashing on me randomly :p
[01:45] <apokryphos> randabis: It's actually working pretty well here.
[01:45] <apokryphos> no crashes
[01:46] <apokryphos> Riddell: just wait till Kubuntu gets released. People are going to be asking for t-shirt and high-school cheerleaders are gonna be saying, "That's sooo kubuntish". 
[01:47] <chavo> apokryphos, you don't have your t-shirt yet?
[01:47] <Curalton> and this channel will become just as crowded as ubuntu itself, effectively becoming useless :)
[01:47] <chavo> well it's pretty useless already, so no loss there :)
[01:48] <Riddell> Curalton: it does seem to be growing at about the rate that #ubuntu did
[01:48] <apokryphos> chavo: I thought they were out of stock?
[01:48] <Curalton> Riddell: oh, you track such things :)
[01:49] <apokryphos> It's double the size of oft-average of #mepis
[01:49] <apokryphos> I have no idea why the IRC is so small there (but even so, the few in there are very helpful). 
[01:55] <randabis> apokryphos, what options are you using with xcompmgr if you don't mind my asking?
[01:55] <apokryphos> using kcontrol ones; one sec, I'll note some down
[01:56] <randabis> ah
[01:56] <randabis> the kcontrol ones for me seem to work fine for me too, but they are a little subtile imho
[01:56] <randabis> I like things a bit more pronounced (which is probably why it was crashing on me :p)
[01:56] <apokryphos> Subtile...? But they're fully configurable.
[01:57] <apokryphos> I didn't have any probs with using it via CLI
[01:57] <randabis> I couldn't get it to do this....
[01:58] <randabis> xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 &
[01:58] <apokryphos> heh
[01:58] <apokryphos> will try that now
[01:59] <randabis> basically after a little while that would crash xcompmgr, and when I would try to restart it, xserver would die
[01:59] <apokryphos> what are the extra things that the command there provides? Recognise only a bit of it...
[02:00] <randabis> it's a number of things...I'd have to ask my buddy what exactly everything there does...he suggested I try those settings
[02:00] <apokryphos> Haven't seen anything yet that kcontrol doesn't provide...
[02:02] <randabis> I probably just haven't played with the kcontrol effects enough...dunno
[02:05] <apokryphos> randabis: did you ever get that flash plugin to work on konqi? Sorry, couldn't talk so much at the time...
[02:05] <randabis> no, I didn't actually...I've just been using mozilla for now
[02:06] <apokryphos> ok, one sec
[02:08] <apokryphos> you definitely have ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so?
[02:08] <randabis> correct
[02:09] <apokryphos> and when you go to "Plugins", next to the "Scan" part, nothing is found?
[02:09] <randabis> it says "Netscape Plugins"
[02:10] <apokryphos> yup, under that
[02:10] <randabis> nothing is under there
[02:12] <apokryphos> ok, also, in the previous directory, flashplayer.xpt is also there? (trying to cover the little things)
[02:12] <randabis> yes
[02:13] <apokryphos> It worked fine for me first time, but my brother said he had problems when he did it; said there was another package he needed to add, and got the answer from #kde. So, it might be worth trying there again...
[02:14] <randabis> hmm
[02:18] <apokryphos> if no luck now, just try again later; one more thing: you have konqueror-nsplugins, right?
[02:19] <codyman> i have a nvidia card (agp 4x 440mx go!.. i'm on a laptop) and the screensavers in kde don't work
[02:20] <apokryphos> randabis: hm, something else to try... could you try +x the .so?
[02:20] <randabis> okay
[02:21] <randabis> no dice
[02:23] <apokryphos> darn
[02:39] <randabis> I'm installing gentoo right now within kubuntu :p
[02:44] <moominski> any1 here
[02:45] <apokryphos> moominski: /list 
[02:48] <moominski> wots that mean
[02:49] <moominski> now ive got all sorts of wrtin wots this for
[02:51] <apokryphos> moominski: just a list of people here :)
[02:54] <moominski> apokryphos and websites they like etc?
[02:54] <apokryphos> nope..
[02:54] <apokryphos> moominski: as a note, you can use TAB for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC>
[02:55] <moominski> i dotn work
[02:55] <moominski> dont
[02:55] <moominski> highlight hit tab?
[02:55] <apokryphos> Nope. Like, you can type, for example, "apo" then press Tab, and it'll auto-complete.
[02:56] <moominski> apokryphos just goin for a copa joe back soon
[02:56] <apokryphos> ok
[02:57] <thomaskorwed> anyone here?
[02:58] <thomaskorwed> hmm
[02:58] <thomaskorwed> afk imam go hit up picukpx cus i going to the circle tonigh n need some fresh pickup lines
[03:00] <Riddell> I must be getting tired, I read that as him asking for pickup lines
[03:02] <apokryphos> Lucky he left; got quite a few to unleash. 
[03:04] <moominski> ok im back 
[03:04] <moominski> rite, anytips on customizing gnome
[03:04] <moominski> look wise
[03:04] <apokryphos> moominski: you do know you're in #kubuntu, right? ;)
[03:04] <moominski> damn i forgot lol
[03:04] <moominski> soz
[03:08] <moominski> nearly finish updating to hoary means i can get kubuntu now
[03:16] <moominski> apokryphos: so when i finish updating hoary can u help me to install kubuntu
[03:16] <apokryphos> moominski: sure :) An article you will want to check out...
[03:16] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell moominski ubukde
[03:16] <Pyre> moominski: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[03:17] <apokryphos> Short answer being, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop". 
[03:17] <moominski> thanks is everything there that i need to know?
[03:18] <apokryphos> With regard to installation of KDE, pretty much, yes. Anymore questionst that answered there (should there be any) you can just ask on here
[03:18] <moominski> tanks
[03:19] <moominski> sorry for my bad typing im trying to roll a spliff and type at the same time
[03:19] <moominski> its a murder picture
[03:20] <apokryphos> haha
[03:23] <moominski> apokryphos so how long u been a linux abuser? hehe
[03:24] <apokryphos> Just under a year now; it has fought back for my abuse a few times. ;)
[03:26] <moominski> hehe i dare say it has, its made me lose all the data on my harddisk but i still keep comin back
[03:26] <moominski> i really wanna learn it ya no?
[03:27] <apokryphos> that which kills me also feeds me ;)
[03:28] <apokryphos> sure :). The best way to learn, I think, is just playing around with it and reading a few guides; it really helps. 
[03:28] <apokryphos> Seeing others' problems too, of course, helps.
[03:29] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell moominski rute
[03:29] <Pyre> moominski: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[03:29] <apokryphos> that's a good one
[03:29] <moominski> yeah linux gives me a buz because i dont no if anything is gonna work 
[03:29] <moominski> its like a drug
[03:30] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:30] <moominski> find the problem conqor it
[03:31] <moominski> takes a while to update to hoary dont it
[03:31] <moominski> ok i need help here
[03:31] <moominski>  nvidia-glx (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[03:32] <apokryphos> y
[03:32] <moominski> thanks i thought so but wasnt sure
[03:38] <moominski> ok i think im done should i restart??
[03:50] <Pyre> nite
[04:06] <moominski> apokryphos: i did it dude upgrade successfull
[04:06] <apokryphos> cool :D
[04:06] <apokryphos> randabis: see #kde now
[04:06] <moominski> was a bit hairy for a moment X wouldnt start
[04:06] <randabis> ok
[04:07] <apokryphos> moominski: heh. But got through it, eh?
[04:07] <randabis> apokryphos, I don't get gray boxes...I get a message asking me to download the plugin
[04:07] <moominski> yeah i worked itself
[04:08] <apokryphos> randabis: that's true; it's not detected, neither.
[04:08] <apokryphos> ask one of them two, though.
[04:08] <randabis> ok
[04:09] <moominski> ok can yas help me get kubuntu 
[04:09] <apokryphos> moominski: sure. You still got the link?
[04:09] <moominski> nah m8 had to restart
[04:10] <randabis> this gentoo install is going well within ubuntu so far :)
[04:10] <difekta> there's an even sweeter version of kubuntu that comes with gnome instead.  it's called ubuntu.
[04:10] <randabis> no need to troll
[04:10] <apokryphos> difekta: sounds real sweet. Where can you get that from?
[04:10] <moominski> is gnome better
[04:10] <difekta> lol
[04:11] <randabis> moominski, depends on who you talk to
[04:11] <apokryphos> moominski: Generally a matter of preference, but I think, emphatically, NO. =)
[04:11] <difekta> do you guys seriously not know i'm kidding?
[04:11] <difekta> gnome is more appealling to the eye, but not as feature-rich.
[04:11] <randabis> I like kde 3.4 a lot better than the latest gnome personally
[04:11] <apokryphos> ;-)
[04:11] <apokryphos> difekta: I disagree; I find gnome real ugly, generally.
[04:11] <randabis> I find kde much more appealing 
[04:12] <randabis> http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=snapshot55vk.jpg
[04:12] <randabis> :)
[04:12] <apokryphos> Some have produced real nice screenies though of gnome, no doubt, but general KDE to me just says, "aesthetically beautiful".
[04:12] <moominski> so u gonna give me that link me??
[04:13] <apokryphos> gaim? Heretic!
[04:13] <moominski> m8*
[04:13] <randabis> Yeah, I can make gnome look good with some tweaking, but kde 3.4 made my jaw drop
[04:13] <apokryphos> moominski: oh, sorry. www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[04:13] <moominski> np m8
[04:13] <randabis> sorry, I haven't tried out kopete yet :p
[04:13] <apokryphos> :P
[04:13] <apokryphos> old ones, that I'll update soon-enough-is: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
[04:14] <apokryphos> *ish
[04:14] <moominski> apokryphos: witch pakage should i get??
[04:14] <apokryphos> moominski: kubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <moominski> cheers
[04:16] <moominski> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[04:16] <apokryphos> y
[04:16] <moominski> thank you
[04:17] <apokryphos> hm, but they're in main, so they should have verification anyway. Oh well.
[04:17] <randabis> apokryphos, just setup kopete :p not bad
[04:18] <moominski> wots kopete??
[04:18] <apokryphos> cool
[04:18] <apokryphos> moominski: an IM client.
[04:18] <apokryphos> like MSN
[04:18] <moominski> ahhh ok i see
[04:20] <moominski> ok wot shud i do after i inatll kubuntu?
[04:20] <randabis> make nachos
[04:20] <apokryphos> enjoy :)
[04:20] <moominski> i mean how do i select to use it
[04:21] <moominski> is it dodgy
[04:21] <apokryphos> oh, logout, then selection Session > KDE
[04:21] <apokryphos> dodgy - nope, you should be fine.
[04:21] <moominski> sweet
[04:22] <moominski> top notch help i must say!!!
[04:22] <moominski> do i have to update again since im hoary now
[04:23] <apokryphos> update what? The system? No... you just did. :)
[04:23] <moominski> lol i mean like repositories
[04:23] <moominski> is that ight
[04:23] <moominski> right
[04:24] <randabis> they should already be correct if you installed kubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <randabis> since that package is not available in the warty repos
[04:24] <moominski> im in the middle of install
[04:24] <apokryphos> Yeah, he just upgraded to haory now, and I believe doing k-desktop now.
[04:24] <moominski> yes
[04:25] <randabis> Your repositories should be fine then
[04:25] <moominski> im goin about this the right way?
[04:26] <apokryphos> moominski: yes
[04:26] <moominski> tea time again
[04:26] <moominski> sweet
[04:26] <apokryphos> been 24 hours already? Woah.
[04:26] <moominski> how come u stay on so long m8
[04:27] <apokryphos> why, the addiction, of course.
[04:27] <moominski> lol
[04:27] <moominski> ofcourse
[04:27] <moominski> wy is it so addictive?
[04:28] <moominski> maybe its cause theres so much to learn and take in?
[04:28] <moominski> misterious
[04:28] <moominski> lol
[04:29] <apokryphos> Partly; not entirely sure.
[04:29] <moominski> findin out new stuff gives us a buzz
[04:29] <apokryphos> I do other things, too ;). Nearly equally useless, though.
[04:29] <moominski> lol
[04:29] <randabis> I'm just sitting here looking at gcc output lol
[04:30] <moominski>  Please select
[04:30] <moominski> which display manager should run by default.
[04:30] <moominski> wot now
[04:31] <moominski> kde
[04:31] <randabis> it's up to you really...kdm or gdm are fine
[04:31] <moominski> kdm then 
[04:31] <delltony> whats going on guys? any status on the edit menu fixed in kubuntu? 
[04:31] <randabis> kdm is kde's display manager, gdm is gnome's, and is what you are currently using (your login screen)
[04:34] <moominski> Setting up kubuntu-desktop (0.37) ...
[04:34] <moominski> root@Planisphere:/home/moominski #
[04:34] <moominski> am i finished?
[04:34] <apokryphos> moominski: why are you using root? ;-)
[04:34] <apokryphos> you are :)
[04:34] <moominski> i dont no
[04:35] <apokryphos> No need for root on Ubuntu -- use sudo.
[04:35] <moominski> i just use root teminal
[04:35] <moominski> is that wrong
[04:35] <apokryphos> oh, perhaps not then.
[04:36] <moominski> ok
[04:37] <randabis> root terminal is fine...it's like using sudo -s
[04:39] <moominski> hello im back withkubuntu thanks for your help
[04:40] <apokryphos> Excellent; no problem.
[04:40] <moominski> ohh yes this rocks 
[04:41] <moominski> this is so much nicer 
[04:41] <moominski> but i wull use gnome aswell
[04:44] <randabis> excellent :)
[04:44] <cartel_> hey all!
[04:44] <cartel_> im giving kubuntu my first go.. very impressive
[04:44] <cartel_> i like kde, and i like debian, so it is a nice combo :)
[04:45] <apokryphos> cool :). Good to hear.
[04:45] <cartel_> im just not sure whats gonna happen when i start folding in sarge sources ;)
[04:46] <cartel_> ubuntu is completely its own distro yes? its not even derived from debian?
[04:47] <apokryphos> No, it is based on Debian. See: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[04:47] <cartel_> based on debian in that it uses .deb packages and apt
[04:47] <apokryphos> and a few other things, yes.
[04:48] <apokryphos> It's not part or directly affiliated with Debian, no.
[04:48] <apokryphos> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built".
[04:48] <cartel_> ack
[04:48] <cartel_> no .nz mirror :(
[04:48] <apokryphos> .au?
[04:49] <apokryphos> cartel_: an nz kde user? :D
[04:49] <cartel_> advocate ;)
[04:50] <cartel_> isp.net is still international
[05:20] <carambol> how to change Refresh Rate in KDE?
[05:22] <carambol> how to change the refrash rate of my monitor?
[05:23] <carambol> the refresh has only one option(60) and i need 85
[05:23] <delltony> xrandr?
[05:24] <carambol> delltony is it a command for me?
[05:24] <delltony> yeah i don't know how kde does it
[05:24] <delltony> but the command on a shell is xrandr
[05:24] <carambol> thx...try it
[05:24] <delltony> np man xrandr for more info
[05:25] <moominski> is there an unofficial kubuntu guide
[05:25] <delltony> moominski, if you find one let me know 
[05:25] <moominski> lol
[05:25] <delltony> thats something i liked about ubuntu the guide it helped alot
[05:25] <moominski> well official
[05:25] <delltony> but i don't see that for kubuntu
[05:26] <sander> nick sander__
[05:26] <sander> doh
[05:26] <cornel_sanders> :P
[05:26] <apokryphos> No guides just yet; an official one is coming out soon enough
[05:26] <apokryphos> the Wiki has some good things though, in the meantime
[05:26] <delltony> yeah wiki's are nice
[05:26] <benjanet> is there any way to transfer files over bluetooth on kubuntu ?
[05:27] <carambol> i get for 1024 768 a Refrsh Rate *60. what tha means ?
[05:28] <delltony> means its set to 60
[05:28] <delltony> the * means what its set as
[05:28] <benjanet> carambol,  means you will get blind soon :D
[05:28] <carambol> but i cant change it in gui...the only option is 60
[05:29] <delltony> *0   1680 x 1050   ( 569mm x 356mm )  *85  
[05:29] <randabis> virtually everything in ubuntuguide.org can be applied to kubuntu guys
[05:29] <delltony> like that means i'm running option 0 at 1680 by 1050 and a refresh rate of 85
[05:29] <randabis> remember that kubuntu is not a seperate distro
[05:30] <carambol> but i have no 85
[05:30] <carambol> as an option, only 60 for 
[05:31] <carambol> 1024x768
[05:31] <carambol> and i need 85
[05:31] <delltony> xrandr -r (rate) 85
[05:31] <delltony> -r is for rate
[05:32] <carambol> ok
[05:32] <carambol> in root?
[05:33] <delltony> i do sudo
[05:34] <delltony> but root if youw ant
[05:37] <carambol> i get : Current serial number in output:12
[05:37] <carambol> Serial number of failed request 12
[05:40] <carambol> BadValue (integer out of range for operation
[05:40] <carambol> integer parameter
[05:42] <carambol> delltony?
[05:42] <delltony> you using hoary or warty? xfree86 used xrandr 
[05:42] <delltony> hoary uses xorg
[05:42] <carambol> hoary
[05:43] <delltony> and  you change it in the xorg.conf with the hsync and vsync
[05:43] <delltony> it takes the highest your monitor can support
[05:43] <delltony> like hsync 31.5-110 is what mine is set to
[05:43] <carambol> some hours a ago made an update for xorg
[05:43] <delltony> and vsync on mine is 29-90
[05:43] <delltony> someone can correct me if i'mw rong
[05:44] <delltony> but thats how it works for me
[05:44] <delltony> it computes in that range the highest value it can use
[05:44] <delltony> and uses it
[05:44] <carambol> but all the time i used 85
[05:45] <carambol> i will take a look at the man xrandr
[05:46] <carambol> maybe shortly there will an update correcting it
[05:46] <delltony> or you can try the good ol trick of ctrl alt "+" "-"
[05:46] <delltony> and it cycles the modes you have set
[05:47] <carambol> i will wait and look for upgrades
[05:47] <delltony> but to save you some time and not so technical ;)
[05:48] <delltony> you can go to control center
[05:48] <delltony> click on periphials (spelling)
[05:48] <delltony> and hit display
[05:48] <delltony> and change it there :p
[05:48] <carambol> ok many thx delltony
[05:48] <delltony> but the thign is
[05:49] <delltony> its reading the values from that xorg file
[05:49] <delltony> so if your hsync is set to only 60
[05:49] <delltony> then thats all your gonna get
[05:49] <carambol> i try to change it: computer>Preferences>Resolution
[05:50] <carambol> but got only the 60 choice
[05:50] <delltony> right
[05:50] <delltony> like i told you
[05:50] <carambol> in Gnome
[05:50] <delltony> well gnome im not up to par on
[05:50] <delltony> but i know its reading from that xorg.conf file
[05:50] <carambol> try it now in kde
[05:51] <carambol> cu
[05:51] <carambol> (B)(B)
[05:52] <delltony> if he ever comes back tell him he needs to have a look at modeline in the xorg.conf file
[05:52] <delltony> and have him not the @85mhz and so on
[05:56] <Skreet> Can anyone in here shed some light onto why my cdrom drive is no longer working after doing updates? #ubuntu didnt have an answer.
[06:00] <verden01> Hi
[06:03] <randabis> hi
[06:04] <canllaith> apokryphos: ok so fine, I'll take a look.
[06:05] <apokryphos> heh :D
[06:05] <apokryphos> canllaith: There are cookies and drinks on the side; please feel free to help yourself.
[06:05] <canllaith> Now this is service ;)
[06:05] <apokryphos> Hot drinks are down the corridor. Sugar on the table.
[06:06] <apokryphos> Apt repositories are available from your very own CLI; please be sure to use sudo before running apt.
[06:07] <canllaith> heh
[06:07] <randabis> you sunk my battleship
[06:07] <randabis> no sudo? :(
[06:08] <apokryphos> No, Kubuntu is not a separate distro, yes, you need Hoary to get 3.4. 
[06:08] <apokryphos> :P
[06:09] <canllaith> No sudo, at least I don't think so
[06:09] <verden01> i'm upgrading to hoary now and then plan to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, is that the same as running kubuntu?
[06:09] <randabis> verden01, pretty much'
[06:10] <randabis> except you'll have a bunch of gnome stuff too
[06:10] <verden01> cool
[06:10] <verden01> thats ok some gnome aps are good
[06:21] <omni_lonnie> yep, *lots* of gnome stuff :)
[06:25] <verden01> so your a gnome fan?
[06:26] <randabis> I like gnome, but ever since kde 3.4 has been released I haven't gone back to it
[06:27] <randabis> I'm partial to xfce 4.2 as well, but again, kde 3.4 has effectively rocked my world
[06:28] <verden01> is kde 3.4 much better than kde 3.3?
[06:28] <randabis> I think it is
[06:28] <apokryphos> verden01: certainly worth upgrading to
[06:28] <randabis> especially the kubuntu implementation
[06:29] <verden01> great i'm looking forward to using kubuntu
[06:34] <apokryphos> cartel_: canllaith here is a fellow Kiwi; you'll have to help with the conversion for her to the light (kubuntu).
[06:35] <canllaith> Cold day in hell. You're welcome to try though.
[06:35] <apokryphos> You can be the official assignee
[06:35] <apokryphos> Woo; could be. Definitely better than SuSE :P
[06:36] <canllaith> and um ... I'm afraid I'm not a kiwi :P
[06:36] <canllaith> I just live here.
[06:36] <apokryphos> canllaith: First stage: denial.
[06:37] <canllaith> hahaha
[06:38] <apokryphos> seems you scared her off canllaith. Great going.
[06:38] <apokryphos> *him
[06:38] <apokryphos> :P
[06:39] <apokryphos> well, what can I say ;-)
[06:40] <apokryphos> Don't poke me, I'm full of chocolate.
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[06:40] <verden01> hey Aussies rule  :-)
[06:40] <randabis> hmm, all the more reason to poke
[06:41] <f00f> hi
[06:41] <canllaith> Aussies do indeed rule.
[06:41] <apokryphos> Ok, tiredeness kicking in now... up at an ungodly hour. G'night all. :)
[06:42] <verden01> cool
[06:42] <f00f> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gives me unmet deps
[06:42] <f00f> kdepim
[06:42] <f00f> :/\
[06:42] <f00f> it seems i cannot install kubuntu
[06:42] <f00f> :(
[06:43] <verden01> have u dist-upgraded to hoary yet?
[06:43] <f00f> yes
[06:44] <verden01> oh i'm doing the same from warty so i hope i don't have the same problem as i'm only on dialup  :)
[06:44] <f00f> :(
[06:44] <f00f> so
[06:44] <f00f> noone here to help me?
[06:44] <verden01> sorry 
[06:45] <verden01> it might be aesier just to download the kubuntu iso!!
[06:45] <verden01> easier
[06:45] <f00f> br
[06:45] <randabis> hmm...
[06:45] <f00f> err ok.. well i think ill be leaving about now
[06:45] <randabis> you should not get unmet dependencies for kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <f00f> hmm
[06:45] <f00f> randabis: odd eh?
[06:46] <randabis> chances are you don't have your repositories set correctly or you have not run apt-get update
[06:47] <f00f> dmm
[06:47] <f00f> *hmm
[06:47] <f00f> i have run apt-get upgrade
[06:48] <randabis> to upgrade to hoary you need to run apt-get dist-upgrade, not just apt-get upgrade
[06:48] <randabis> and apt-get update must be run first
[06:49] <f00f> ok
[06:50] <f00f> done
[06:51] <f00f> and
[06:51] <f00f> randabis: no help whatsoever
[06:51] <randabis> let me see your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:51] <randabis> post it at www.pastebin.com
[06:52] <f00f> ok
[06:52] <f00f> in that case\
[06:52] <f00f> gonna fire up X
[06:52] <randabis> guess he's never heard of links
[06:52] <randabis> or lynx, or links2
[06:52] <randabis> or tty1-6 for that matter
[06:55] <bar13> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ukmpmp73.html
[06:56] <bar13> that looks good :(
[06:56] <bar13> err
[06:56] <f00f> randabis, there :)
[06:57] <f00f> well shouldi  not poste the error?
[06:57] <f00f> :)
[06:57] <randabis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/zfvHsE54.html
[06:58] <randabis> try it with hoary universe enabled like so
[06:58] <f00f> ok
[06:58] <randabis> be sure to run apt-get update after you overwrite the new sources.list
[07:00] <f00f> ok
[07:01] <randabis> brb
[07:01] <verden01> has anyone here tried Libranet?
[07:02] <verden01> and if so do youthink kubuntu is better?
[07:05] <f00f> ok
[07:06] <f00f> randabis, you a are the man
[07:06] <f00f> thank you :D
[07:07] <verden01> f00f do you have a fst connection
[07:07] <verden01> fast
[07:09] <b_> oh brother, I really wish kubuntu installed synaptic by default, and not Kynaptic...
[07:10] <f00f> verden01, yeah
[07:10] <verden01> well apt-get install synaptic
[07:10] <f00f> 1.5mbps
[07:10] <f00f> :)
[07:11] <b_> does anyone even use kynaptic?
[07:11] <verden01> well i'm halfway through doing a dist-upgrade to hoary and then i'll apt-get install kubuntu-desktop but i have to do it on dialup :(
[07:11] <randabis> I use synaptic when I feel the need to use a graphical front-end to apt, but most of the time I just use cli
[07:12] <randabis> cool, I think my rebootstrap is going to work this time :)
[07:12] <verden01> randabis whats cli?
[07:12] <randabis> command line interface
[07:13] <verden01> oh ok
[07:13] <verden01> so you use apt?
[07:13] <randabis> yes...synaptic is a frontend to apt, so technically you use it also
[07:14] <verden01> i only ever use synaptic for individual programs
[07:14] <randabis> grr
[07:14] <randabis> damn this error
[07:14] <verden01> i would rather use apt for updates and upgrades
[07:34] <brainkilla> is there a kdebluetooth package for kubuntu anywhere?
[07:36] <billytwowilly> check synaptic
[07:37] <agnes> hey all!
[07:37] <agnes> I'm trying to install licq from a stock kubuntu install, but it can't be found in kynaptic..
[07:37] <agnes> how do I add the repository for it?
[07:38] <b_> Can someone tell me why I keep getting this error when trying to add a new user:  "cannot create home folder for -user- : it is null or empty"
[07:52] <verden01> hi claydoh
[07:54] <verden01> how many are from Australia?
[08:44] <verden01> hey underlord
[08:48] <verden01> underlord, have you used kubuntu yet?
[09:07] <underlord> yes, alot
[09:10] <verden01> what do you think of it?
[09:10] <underlord> very nice
[09:11] <verden01> what other distro's have you used
[09:11] <underlord> gnome has a weird sort of laid back feel, but once you get past that its a piece of slow shit
[09:11] <verden01> i've been a long term Libranet user. I've never liked gnome
[09:11] <underlord> red hat 9, debian, mandrake, morphix, knoppix
[09:12] <verden01> cool
[09:12] <verden01> do you have fast internet
[09:12] <underlord> 10mbps/128kbps
[09:13] <verden01> i'm in a part of australia where telstra couldn't give a shit about broadband access
[09:13] <underlord> im on optus
[09:13] <verden01> i use astratel dialup atm
[09:13] <underlord> telstra are the greatest scammers in the country
[09:13] <verden01> yeah
[09:14] <underlord> you cant get a wifi or dsl connection?
[09:14] <verden01> whats kubuntu like compared to the other Debian distro's you have used?
[09:14] <verden01> not yet
[09:14] <verden01> hoping on wifi soon
[09:15] <verden01> the best i can get from my exchange is isdn which is expensive crap
[09:28] <Sevensins> Good morning everybody
[09:29] <Sevensins> is someone here able to answer a question?
[09:29] <hayden> hi
[09:29] <Sevensins> i know itsearlyin the morning somewhere on this planet
[09:29] <Sevensins> hey m8
[09:30] <Sevensins> could you inform me a bit on kubuntu
[09:30] <Sevensins> i wanna know if there is a DVD image available for downloading
[09:31] <Sevensins> im not really interested in CD +updates cos where iwillgo soon there is no Internet
[09:32] <underlord> i havent heard of any dvd image
[09:32] <underlord> you could make one
[09:33] <Sevensins> but how?
[09:33] <Sevensins> im not so into the arch. of Linux im what you would call an end-user
[09:33] <underlord> kubuntu-live package probably has everything you need, im not sure on the procedure, one of the dev's would know
[09:33] <underlord> aah
[09:34] <underlord> oops, not live, you dont want live
[09:34] <Sevensins> screeming out cos of shock?
[09:34] <hayden> lol
[09:34] <underlord> you cant just install it from the internet before you go offline?
[09:34] <Sevensins> no i want a full DVD so i can add packages later when im on tour
[09:35] <Sevensins> as in ill go for tripping about europe
[09:35] <underlord> you could have a look on the www for information on creating debian package cd's, it mightnt be too hard to mirror one of the online repositories on disk
[09:37] <Sevensins> so that means to me i have the install CD and maybe two further package DVDs after doing
[09:37] <hayden> package dvds?
[09:37] <underlord> yep
[09:37] <Sevensins> <-knows that the universe and multiverse is about 6 gig big
[09:38] <Sevensins> wanna know some funny?
[09:38] <hayden> you would really need every application?
[09:38] <Sevensins> currently upgrading to KDE desktop
[09:39] <Sevensins> no but for graphics software to work its better having every..
[09:39] <Sevensins> these dependencies ..... tztztz
[09:39] <underlord> you could just install all of the packages ubuntu has to offer :P
[09:40] <underlord> your system would probably become a paperweight though
[09:40] <Sevensins> thats what im later on gonna do but for now i have an Internet conection and i can download now not later
[09:42] <Sevensins> <- is not allowed to use the internet for further purpose than get new os and thats it
[09:44] <Sevensins> i think i have to leave you now maybe ill comeback later
[09:44] <Sevensins> thanx for the answers that early
[09:48] <kinema> why does kubuntu-desktop depend on so many python extensions?
[10:26] <buz> any kontact/korganizer users around?
[10:28] <lunitik> buz: sure
[10:28] <buz> any idea how to display the location of an event in the timetable???
[10:28] <buz> either i'm stupid, its hidden or flat out impossible
[10:31] <lunitik> buz: yeh... it doesn't seem to be possible... file a bug with kde...
[10:31] <buz> did you ever use egroupware with it, btw?
[10:33] <buz> mhh there seems to be more general issue with location
[10:33] <buz> you simply can't display anything aside the usual stuff
[10:35] <buz> kinda sucks
[10:35] <buz> htf am i supposed to know where to go without on the page?
[10:38] <hayden> how do i install flash player for konqueror?
[11:16] <lunitik> Kynaptic really needs an interface letting you know how its getting on with installing things... looks dead right now, but I know its installing everything...
[11:16] <lunitik> bah... just came back... looked dead though for about 5 mins while installing todays upgrades...
[11:16] <lunitik> Thats just a bad idea...
[11:17] <Pointwood> sounds like it
[11:26] <buz> lunitik: i'd use kpackage instead
[11:26] <lunitik> buz: eh... I usually just use cli... but yeah... 
[11:26] <lunitik> buz: rather annoying...
[11:27] <buz> for upgrade cli is handy
[11:27] <buz> but for package selection, i prefer a gui
[11:27] <buz> much easier to navigate
[11:27] <lunitik> buz: apt-cache search + apt-get install  :/
[11:27] <buz> gui is easier to me
[11:27] <buz> especially when you don't really have a clue what oyu want ;-)
[11:28] <lunitik> buz: before Ubuntu... I had never even used a GUI for apt... and I've been using Debian for more than 4 years
[11:28] <lunitik> (not even dselect/atitude etc)
[11:28] <lunitik> aptitude*
[11:30] <lunitik> Kinda hard to find a reason to keep the bottem panel around though...
[11:30] <buz> huh
[11:30] <buz> macosx bar?
[11:31] <lunitik> buz: right click desktop > configure desktop > behavior ... "Current applications menu bar (Mac OS X style)"
[11:31] <buz> aah i hate that
[11:31] <buz> always pissed me off on osx
[11:32] <buz> and on osx, you can't even change it 
[11:32] <lunitik> buz: I love it... gives all apps a cleaner look... 
[11:32] <buz> aaaanyway, need to go to school
[11:33] <Pointwood> lunitik: are you talking gnome now?
[11:34] <lunitik> Pointwood: no
[11:34] <Pointwood> ah...desktop :)
[11:35] <lunitik> Pointwood: heh... its hard to explain things in KDE... there are a million ways to do everything  :)
[11:35] <Pointwood> yeah
[11:35] <Pointwood> hmm...not sure I see the difference :)
[11:35] <lunitik> Pointwood: you should see a bar at the top... simular to OS X
[11:36] <lunitik> (ie, gives app menu) ...
[11:36] <lunitik> should take effect right away... 
[11:37] <Pointwood> ahhh
[11:38] <Pointwood> but then where do you launch apps if you don't have the bottom panel?
[11:45] <lunitik> Pointwood: put a kmenu on the top panel... or just have a button display it (I have my middle button bring up an application menu)
[11:45] <lunitik> s/button/mouse button/
[11:46] <Pointwood> k
[11:46] <lunitik> Pointwood: KDE has pretty much thought of everything... and why? because its written for the devels to use, not for a moron to use  :P
[11:46] <Pointwood> hehe
[11:47] <Pointwood> it is kinda cluttered when you come from ubuntu ;)
[11:47] <lunitik> Pointwood: eh... I'd disagree... it used to be though...
[11:47] <lunitik> Pointwood: if anything... too much is hidden these days.
[11:48] <Pointwood> :)
[11:48] <Pointwood> matter of preference I guess
[11:48] <lunitik> For instance... who knew you could put _any_ app in your System Tray?
[11:48] <Pointwood> not I :)
[11:49] <Pointwood> one thing I hate is that some apps aren't well integrated into the environment
[11:49] <lunitik> Pointwood: in the run dialoge... type 'ksystraycmd konsole' ... one of my favorate things to put in there  :)
[11:49] <lunitik> same for konversaton... but not so much  :/
[11:50] <lunitik> Pointwood: _every_ kde app is... and with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, as are any gtk apps... (like firefox etc)
[11:50] <lunitik> Although, Kynaptic stands out by a mile...
[11:50] <Pointwood> I use xchat instead of konversation
[11:51] <lunitik> Pointwood: then you should 'apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt' (its in universe) ... and ensure GTK apps use QT theme...
[11:51] <Pointwood> there was a few things that bothered me with konversation so I switched back to xchat
[11:51] <Pointwood> ohhh
[11:57] <hayden> is kde-look working
[11:58] <Pointwood> how do I make sure that GTk apps use the QT theme?
[12:00] <lunitik> Pointwood: you gtk-qt?  :)
[12:00] <Pointwood> yes
[12:01] <Pointwood> how do I make sure that GTk apps use the QT theme?
[12:01] <lunitik> Pointwood: it should show up in kcontrol under Appearence and Themes > GTK Styles and Fonts
[12:02] <Pointwood> ahh...done :)
[12:03] <lunitik> Pointwood: pretty cool huh  :)
[12:04] <Pointwood> well, I don't think Firefox looks much different :)
[12:04] <crimsun> Riddell: if you don't mind, I'll go ahead and transition python-kde3 to python2.4
[12:05] <crimsun> Riddell: let me know otherwise (I'm gone for the next 6 hours, so I won't transition for at least that long)
[12:05] <Pointwood> I need to get some keyboard shortcuts changed - alt-tab doesn't is used in FF, but also as desktop switcher
[12:05] <lunitik> Pointwood: buttons etc in the default theme take on QT theme... menu bar should too...
[12:09] <Pointwood> :)
[12:09] <Pointwood> I need a shower :)
[12:09] <lunitik> yeah... that too  ;P
[12:10] <Pointwood> anyway, thx for the help
[12:10] <lunitik> Pointwood: you're welcome  :)
[12:10] <Pointwood> got the ctrl+tab problem fixed now :)
[12:10] <lunitik> crimsun: ps, not sure if I congratulated you on maintainership  :)
[12:10] <lunitik> crimsun: they let you into main too?  :P
[12:11] <marcusT> I always thought kbluetooth is already part of kubuntu
[12:11] <Pointwood> afk
[12:13] <lunitik> marcusT: nope... 
[12:13] <marcusT> lunitik: why not?
[12:13] <marcusT> building it myself atm, but... wasn't there lots of discussion about it?
[12:15] <lunitik> marcusT: if there was, I missed it... I don't see anywhere listing it though.... so I don't think its in...
[12:16] <marcusT> no it's not...
[12:17] <haggai> motaboy made kbluetooth packages and asked me to review them
[12:18] <marcusT> are they somewhere apt-getable?
[12:19] <lunitik> Not that I'm complaining... but it was kinda wierd to get confronted with the desktop configuration wizard again...
[12:19] <incubii> yeah i noticed that too
[12:21] <haggai> marcusT: looks like he only mailed them to amu
[12:21] <haggai> amu: did you get the kbluetooth pkgs?
[12:22] <amu> haggai: no
[01:12] <incubii> hmm
[01:13] <Telep> hmm hmm
[01:14] <ztonzy> hi Telep 
[01:15] <ztonzy> amu, you to: hi! :)
[01:17] <Telep> hi
[01:20] <amu> ztonzy: hi
[01:21] <lunitik> amu: *points at comment about desktop config wizard* is that normal?
[01:25] <ztonzy> amu, is it wise now to do a update/upgrade on repositries ?
[01:29] <amu> lunitik: sorry? 
[01:29] <amu> ztonzy: better wait till tomorrow morning ;)
[01:30] <lunitik> amu: after updates today... Ubuntu settings are lost, and you are presented with KDE Desktop Configuration Wizard as if you just installed KDE...
[01:31] <ztonzy> amu, np ! thanks
[01:31] <amu> hmm for me not, upgraded 3 maschines and everything is fine 
[01:31] <lunitik> amu: 2 here... both did it... strange
[01:35] <amu> 1 was a kubuntu installation, the others are based on ubuntu with an kubuntu upgrade
[01:35] <lunitik> amu: both here are kubuntu pr installs...
[01:36] <incubii> mine was kubuntu install with dist-upgrade
[01:36] <incubii> including multiverse
[01:36] <lunitik> amu: there was like 200+ megs of upgrades today here... when done, it was as if it were a fresh install of KDE...
[01:37] <incubii> 285mb :D
[01:40] <haggai> I wonder if there is some problem with the kubuntu-defaults mechanism
[01:44] <hayden> what password do i use to get into administrator mode in settings in KDE control center
[01:45] <incubii> should be the user password 
[01:45] <incubii> otherwise you could always go to the console and do 'sudo passwd root'
[01:46] <hayden> so any user is admin
[01:46] <incubii> and set one
[01:46] <incubii> no
[01:46] <incubii> you have sudo rights
[01:46] <hayden> 'Administrator Mode'
[01:46] <incubii> you can run things as root but only if you authenticate using sudo
[01:47] <hayden> doesnt say 'sudo Administrator Mode'
[01:47] <incubii> you are new to linux?
[01:48] <incubii> just click admin mode and enter your password in that should work
[01:48] <hayden> not really
[01:49] <hayden> so why does it when i click on the button, type in my password click OK it goes to the Web Browser Settings?
[01:50] <incubii> i dont know
[01:51] <incubii> never had that happen
[02:11] <incubii> hmmm i wish slashem supported hit locations like ivan
[02:13] <gsuveg> re
[02:14] <Riddell> crimsun: is python-kde3 part of kdebindings?  because haggai just uploaded a new kdebindings
[02:18] <haggai> Riddell: no its not
[03:03] <je4d> Riddell: i've read claims that ubuntu 5.04 will gracefully resize ntfs partitions.. will kubuntu 5.04 also?
[03:35] <Riddell> je4d: if ubuntu does then kubuntu will too
[03:44] <buz> why is my printer always stopped after a reboot? it only starts printing after telling it to in kcontrol
[03:51] <moominski> can an help me?
[03:52] <randabis> with what?
[03:53] <moominski> how do i get kpackage?
[03:54] <randabis> sudo apt-get install kpackage
[03:55] <moominski> i knew it was that only i left out install thanks
[03:56] <randabis> np
[03:58] <phxguy> Anyone Know if kde-look.org is down??? can't get to the website since yesterday
[04:00] <moominski> yeah it must be m8 i can tget on
[04:00] <moominski> and gnome-look aswell
[04:01] <phxguy> yeah i think they are on the same servers or something. ran a traceroute and they both stop at the same ip
[04:01] <moominski> any1 know how i can access my windows hardrive from kde?
[04:01] <phxguy> this sucks
[04:02] <randabis> yeah down and out
[04:02] <moominski> i want to copy some dvd files from windows can i do that
[04:02] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:02] <moominski> thanks
[04:03] <phxguy> ubuntuguide.org is your friend
[04:03] <moominski> i no its been amazin so for that guide
[04:04] <moominski> if i mount windows can i not copy files from it?
[04:04] <phxguy> anyone know of a good alternative website to kde-look.org???
[04:04] <moominski> yeah
[04:04] <moominski> any1?
[04:05] <haggai> moominski: also you can click on system button -> media
[04:06] <membreya> hmmm anyone know of any good addons for konversation ?
[04:09] <gsuveg> can konqerror kill popup?
[04:12] <Curalton> yes
[04:12] <gsuveg> how?
[04:14] <Curalton> prefs -> java&jscript, javascript tab
[04:14] <Curalton> konqueror 3.4
[04:14] <Curalton> set new windows to "intelligent"
[04:15] <moominski> haggai i dont see media
[04:16] <moominski> wot do i use for watchin dvds?
[04:16] <gsuveg> thanks
[04:16] <haggai> moominski: the button next to K menu is the system button, select storage media from the menu
[04:17] <moominski> haggai: did it
[04:17] <moominski> wot do i use for watchin dvds?
[04:20] <moominski> yes i did it mounted me windows hardrive
[04:24] <gsuveg> hmm. my firefox crash under kubuntu
[04:24] <gsuveg> its installed with apt
[04:25] <carambol> is gtk-gnutella good?
[04:25] <carambol> and safe?
[04:33] <buz> gsuveg: happens occasionally on all os
[04:33] <buz> nothing much you can do about it
[04:33] <buz> (tho, the less plugins the more stable it is)
[04:39] <hayden> how do i activate  a wireless card?\
[04:39] <moominski> wot do i use to play dvds?
[04:39] <randabis> depends on the card hayden 
[04:39] <moominski> xine wont work
[04:39] <randabis> first you need to determine if the card is detected and supported by kubuntu
[04:39] <hayden> ive installed ndiswrapper and installed the windows driver into it
[04:40] <amu> moominski: kaffeine with libdvdcss
[04:40] <randabis> moominski, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:40] <hayden> ive got a wireless network thing in a panel in kde and it is showing 100% signal quality, the ssid and  stuff that it is connected to 
[04:40] <hayden> but if i take the cable away i wont get internet access
[04:41] <randabis> hayden, weird
[04:43] <hayden> and i have to type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper every time i reboot for the wlan0 connection to 'work'
[04:43] <randabis> you need to add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[04:43] <hayden> yea i thought thats what i should do
[04:45] <gsuveg> buz: thats i used on gnome witouth crash :(
[04:45] <hayden> #flood
[04:47] <randabis> you'll need to post it again or use pastebin
[04:49] <hayden> pasted again
[04:52] <buz> mhh multi pages on one page printing is somehow weird
[04:52] <buz> the first page gets on the upper *right* of a page!
[04:53] <buz> any way to change that?
[05:32] <azad> hi
[05:32] <TechLord> hi
[05:32] <azad> i got an creative zen touch player, any way to get it working under kubuntu?
[05:35] <apokryphos> azad: it's worth trying in #kubuntu for such questions. We do KDE. :)
[05:35] <randabis> tried plugging it in?
[05:35] <apokryphos> *#ubuntu
[05:37] <azad> hm
[05:38] <azad> thought it might be a matter of kde/gnome.. i googled and found something
[05:38] <azad> http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/
[05:38] <azad> sounded so gnome-like since it's gnom ad
[05:41] <randabis> it's probably a gtk app
[05:41] <randabis> it should work if you have gnome libraries installed
[05:42] <azad> hm i don't
[05:42] <randabis> you installed kubuntu from cd probably and that's why
[05:42] <azad> well.. what are those gtk things i need?
[05:43] <azad> no, i installed ubuntu
[05:43] <azad> but doesn't matter now i think :)
[05:43] <randabis> if you installed ubuntu, then you should have the necessary gtk stuff
[05:43] <azad> i think i removed it
[05:43] <randabis> you'd need to remove A LOT of packages to do that
[05:44] <azad> thought something like "ahh got kde running now, no need for gtk"
[05:44] <randabis> removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove any ubuntu packages if that's what you did
[05:44] <azad> that wasn't
[05:44] <azad> just some thing when i did dist-upgrade i saw
[05:45] <azad> however, i don't have those things.. what do i need?
[05:45] <gsuveg> how can i change default editor from mcedit to vim?
[05:45] <azad> the gtk package i mean
[05:45] <apokryphos> gsuveg: kcontrol
[05:45] <randabis> libgtk2 probably
[05:45] <azad> mh okay thanks
[05:46] <azad> libgtk2.0-dev - Development files for the GTK+ library
[05:46] <randabis> the gnomad program should tell you what dependencies are required
[05:47] <randabis> or the documentation for it rather
[05:47] <azad> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found <- tells this
[05:47] <gsuveg> apokryphos: hmm. this is not console related ?
[05:47] <azad> okay
[05:48] <apokryphos> gsuveg: what? How would you have a default editor in konsole? Not saying it's not possible; never heard of it.
[05:51] <do3cc> apokryphos: echo $EDITOR shows your default console editor
[05:51] <do3cc> It is used by mutt for example
[05:52] <ncterval> Hello, I have a Debian Unstable desktop that I've been running for a few years that I'd like to transform into Kubuntu (I want X.org and KDE 3.4 :)  Can you do that smoothly by just changing repositories and apt-get upgrading?
[05:52] <apokryphos> do3cc: interesting; so, do you need to just alter that variable to change your default console editor?
[05:52] <do3cc> yes. right now I am looking where it is defined on my system
[05:52] <apokryphos> ncterval: smoothly: unlikely. It is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories.
[05:53] <ncterval> apokryphos: OK, is there another way short of reformating?
[05:53] <do3cc> ncterval: I did that a month ago. I had to fix some minor problems then it worked. But I did a complete reinstall last week. was better solution
[05:54] <do3cc> ncterval: How do you want to ensure that there is not some debian package left which assumes it is on a debian system, and suddenly ubuntu uses some other parts for some thiings
[05:54] <lunitik> ncterval: add 'deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse' to sources.list ... apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:54] <do3cc> ncterval: How do you want to ensure that there is not some debian package left which assumes it is on a debian system, and suddenly ubuntu uses some other directory structure for some thiings
[05:55] <ncterval> Is it possible to keep /etc and /home if I were to install Kubuntu, and would that keep my current configuration?
[05:56] <randabis> if /home is on a separate partition, then it shouldn't be too hard
[05:56] <apokryphos> You can keep your /home, sure (you'll likely have to alter .kde etc), but your /etc -- well, not really. Ubuntu's would be different.
[05:56] <do3cc> ncterval: I believe nobody would like to give you a guarantee for that. Personally I would risk it. But not for business machines
[05:57] <do3cc> ncterval: You might try to keep a copy of etc and check for difference between old etc and ubuntu base config. probably you changed only some configs and most stay same. So you need to configure everything by hand
[05:58] <lunitik> ncterval: right now... the packages you want are larger version numbers than on your system... just do what I said....
[05:59] <ncterval> Having to reconfigure everything (if I lose /etc) isn't a huge deal, but my /home isn't on a seperate partition and is too big to backup.  No way to keep that?
[05:59] <ncterval> lunitik: Is it safe to just install Kubuntu's KDE and X.Org, and leave everything else Debian?
[05:59] <do3cc> ncterval: should not be a problem
[06:00] <do3cc> ncterval: should not be a problem with your /home
[06:00] <lunitik> ncterval: feasible... note that some packages will be newer in Sid... when I tracked both for a while... I encountered a few issues...
[06:00] <lunitik> ncterval: hoary froze a while ago to stabalize the Sid packages... 
[06:00] <je4d> Riddell: cool, it worked (:
[06:00] <je4d> Riddell: my 15yo brother is now running hoary preview
[06:01] <ncterval> lunitik: What sort of problems might I have?
[06:01] <lunitik> ncterval: I had a lot of dependency issues... things of that nature...
[06:02] <ncterval> lunitik: Those can be resolved by relying on a few more Kubuntu packages, right?
[06:02] <lunitik> ncterval: mainly packages requiring exact versioning numbers... and apt getting confused it seemed like...
[06:02] <randabis> just editing your repositories to include hoary will not cause you to lose /home
[06:02] <randabis> you should make a backup of /etc though 
[06:03] <apokryphos> randabis: yes, I think his question was concerning doing a full new install of kubuntu
[06:03] <lunitik> ncterval: nothing peticularly serious... and it took away some Ubuntu customizations, not a bad thing...
[06:03] <apokryphos> (though)
[06:03] <randabis> yes, that's what I thought too, but then I got a little confused
[06:03] <randabis> So I mentioned that
[06:03] <lunitik> ncterval: because I know where KDE starts out... finding out what Kubuntu configured, and going from there was a hassle  :(
[06:03] <ncterval> apokryphos: Yes, thanks for clearing that up.
[06:04] <ncterval> Alright, I'll try installing KDE from Kubuntu.  Thanks a lot for the help.
[06:04] <lunitik> ncterval: worse case scenario... something breaks... and you install Kubuntu... 
[06:04] <apokryphos> But that still shouldn't really be a problem; backing up your /home that is.
[06:04] <randabis> in the future I would always perform the practice of keeping a separate /home partition
[06:05] <apokryphos> ncterval: be sure to let us know how it goes ;)
[06:12] <je4d> Riddell: what's the state of kde-i18-engb for kubuntu?
[06:13] <ncterval> Hmmm...  kubuntu-desktop seems to depend on a few hundred packages that seem unrelated to KDE.
[06:14] <lunitik> ncterval: just apt-get dist-upgrade then...
[06:15] <randabis> because kubuntu-desktop is a meta package that installs a full kubuntu desktop from scratch
[06:15] <lunitik> ncterval: if anything looks funky... remove your ~/.kde dir...
[06:15] <ncterval> randabis: Oh, is there a metapackage to just install KDE?
[06:16] <lunitik> ncterval: mainly stated because "KDE has strange colours and symbols everywhere" is a known issue...
[06:16] <lunitik> (afaik though... thats just something related to konstruct liking to play tricks on people)
[06:16] <randabis> I believe kde-core will do it, but I don't know if the kde-core metapackage is synced with kde 3.4 or if it is still 3.3.2
[06:17] <lunitik> randabis: kde-core depends 'arts kdelibs kdebase fontconfig'... doesn't note package numbers....
[06:17] <buz> where do i need to put the win32 mplayer codecs?
[06:17] <buz>  /usr/lib/codecs?
[06:17] <lunitik> buz: /usr/lib/win32
[06:18] <lunitik> buz: you could put them in /i/like/to/break/the/law though if you wanted... so long as the app is pointed there...
[06:18] <buz> i don't break the law
[06:18] <buz> no softpats in switzerland so far
[06:19] <lunitik> buz: using those codecs is illegal... even in europe
[06:19] <buz> halfway
[06:19] <lunitik> buz: no... they passed those laws like almost a month ago...
[06:19] <buz> switzerland isn't in the EU
[06:19] <lunitik> now they are in the 'please recind this, I'll give you my left ball' stage...
[06:21] <lunitik> buz: bah... then find a server in switzerland thats hosting the codecs  :/
[06:21] <buz> there's already one
[06:21] <lunitik> buz: cool... get it from there then...
[06:21] <ncterval> kde-core in Kubuntu seems to be the same as Debian's.
[06:22] <buz> and my boss is gonna kill me if i put one up
[06:22] <lunitik> ncterval: umm... yeah... but the packages it depends on are newer...
[06:23] <buz> i did put the libs there, but how do i get it to recognize them?
[06:23] <lunitik> buz: they should be auto-recognized in any xine or mplayer based player there...
[06:24] <buz> says it cant play rm streams
[06:24] <buz> mhh maybe i'll get helix
[06:24] <buz> does that one come with spyware too?
[06:24] <lunitik> buz: there is no spyware apps for Linux... yet *knocks on wood*
[06:24] <buz> dont be too sure
[06:24] <lunitik> buz: why?
[06:25] <lunitik> buz: netstat tells me where my packages are going  :/
[06:25] <buz> there could always be a rootkit somewhere
[06:25] <lunitik> buz: none go to real.com  :/
[06:25] <lunitik> buz: there are root kits... but thats not spyware  :/
[06:25] <buz> could be used as such
[06:25] <lunitik> buz: not really
[06:25] <buz> sure
[06:25] <lunitik> buz: no really
[06:26] <buz> you simply need a local root exploit and you've lost
[06:26] <lunitik> buz: umm... rootkits don't report home... which is what spyware does... it sends stats to another system...
[06:26] <buz> or easier still, an "installer" that only runs as root
[06:26] <buz> yeah but nobody says you cant use rootkits to hide spyware 
[06:27] <blue-frog> hi all
[06:27] <lunitik> buz: I don't think you understand what a rootkit is  :/
[06:27] <buz> oh i do
[06:27] <buz> it's main use is to cover tracks
[06:28] <buz> which is just perfect for spyware
[06:29] <blue-frog> just installed hoary and am at a loss to authenticate this ubuntu machine to ldap server. anyone could help. pls? (in fact don't how to do it by hand - googled and changed files conf but doesn't seem to work)
[06:30] <lunitik> blue-frog: ldap isn't really something you can help with on IRC  :/
[06:35] <lunitik> blue-frog: ps... luma is a pretty KDE app for most LDAP tasks... 
[06:36] <lunitik> heh... guess he doesn't like GUI's
[06:39] <ncterval> lunitik: Yes, what I meant when I said that Kubuntu's kde-core was the same as Debian's was that apt-get doesn't think it's newer, it won't upgrade from Debian's to Kubuntu's.
[06:39] <lunitik> ncterval: just 'apt-get dist-upgrade' dude
[06:40] <lunitik> you have KDE installed...
[06:45] <ncterval> Everyone was warning of complications with a dist-upgrade a few minutes ago...
[06:45] <lunitik> ncterval: grr... just do it...
[06:46] <lunitik> ncterval: not garenteed to work... but just as likely as apt-get install --reinstall kde-core  :/
[06:47] <lunitik> ncterval: you're sure you're not new to Debian? Debian users usually try breaking things, then ask about fixing it...
[06:48] <lunitik> If its not a production system... you really have nothing to lose  :/
[06:56] <ncterval> Aight, well once my backup task finishes I'll try dist-upgrading.  Beats waiting until Sarge is released to get KDE 3.4.  Thanks, again, for the advice.
[07:01] <lunitik> Sarge is getting worse than Longhorn  :/
[07:06] <Curalton> when i start e.g. gnome-controlcenter in kde all the fonts are tiny, not as i set them while logged in kubuntu. once i click on the "fonts" item they all remember how they should be
[07:06] <Curalton> how can i set this up automatically? or am i missing a kde/gnome compatibility "app"
[07:08] <ncterval> Curalton: I believe Gnome apps don't use the theme you set when started in KDE.  gtk-qt will let you specify a theme from the KDE control center, though.
[07:10] <Curalton> ah, apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:12] <Curalton> and i need gtk-theme-switch2
[07:19] <Curalton> ah, i see. it used the kde "fixed width" font for everything, bleh
[07:20] <Curalton> well, still uses. strange
[07:22] <Curalton> still suboptimal fontwise, but will do
[07:23] <ncterval> Did you install gtk-qt?  Its KControl module lets you select a font.
[07:23] <Curalton> yes, now everything is nicely styled lipstik-kde wise
[07:24] <Curalton> still this theme seems to pick the wrong kde fonttype
[07:24] <Curalton> or maybe the gnome control center really uses monospace
[07:24] <ncterval> Again, did you look at the KControl module?  You can choose to use any fonts you wish.
[07:26] <Curalton> yes, i saw the gnome font/style selector. and had it at "use kde ones", choosing my own fonts ruins the principle of integration
[07:28] <moominski> how do i install this theme: snowball.0.3.tar.gz
[07:28] <Curalton> ah damnit. gtk-theme-switch2 crashes on my debian when setting qt :s
[07:29] <moominski> Curalton: can u help me install a theme
[07:31] <Curalton> uh, i dont know much about themes, the pre-fabricated ones are usually enough for me
[07:31] <Curalton> but this is a tar.gz, i.e. an archive. open it and maybe there is a README inside
[07:31] <moominski> ok
[07:32] <moominski> nah theres no readme dude?
[07:35] <Curalton> no idea then. dont even know if kde themes have libraries that need to be compiled or are just .xml etc. files
[07:36] <Curalton> ah, google says "Unpack in /usr/share/apps or $HOME/.kde/share/apps"
[08:04] <gsuveg> apokryphos: export EDITOR= bla bla
[08:04] <apokryphos> right
[08:05] <gsuveg> apokryphos: that was my question, but dont remember that :/
[08:06] <apokryphos> lunitik: have you suggested it on the wiki? :P
[08:07] <lunitik> apokryphos: nope... *runs off*  8)
[08:07] <apokryphos> Would be a good idea; so far they've been very good with responding to suggested packages :)
[08:09] <buz> where can i suggest stuff in the wiki?
[08:10] <apokryphos> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[08:13] <buz> anybody else ever experienced firefox occasionally freezing for a second or two?
[08:13] <lunitik> Gah... wiki authentication takes _f_o_r_e_v_e_r_ in konqi  :(
[08:14] <apokryphos> lunitik: I have real problems with that too. Clicking more than once often helps... also rushes my CPU up sometimes. Evil kio_http
[08:14] <lunitik> hahahahaha..... it worked  8)
[08:14] <lunitik> idgi
[08:14] <lunitik> but I clicked like 10 times... and voila  8)
[08:16] <buz> kooldock
[08:16] <buz> and while you're there, kde-bluetooth ;-)
[08:23] <Roey> hi all
[08:23] <lunitik> buz: ahh... I already closed it out... sorry... I appear to fixed the layout though... I rock  8)
[08:23] <lunitik> Toying with the idea of trying to clean that page up... some things are in wrong categories (like kdetv should be in "Alread in Universe" or whatever...)
[08:24] <lunitik> Roey: whats up  :)
[08:25] <Roey> lunitik:  thinking of all the network administration stuff I have in front of me
[08:25] <motaboy> buz: kdebluetoot?
[08:25] <buz> yeah
[08:25] <motaboy> buz: I already did it. :D
[08:25] <buz> aaah
[08:25] <buz> in the rep now?
[08:25] <buz> or just suggested?
[08:25] <motaboy> buz: I have to fix some things
[08:25] <buz> ah ok
[08:26] <buz> thanks!
[08:26] <motaboy> buz: amu know how it's going on
[08:26] <lunitik> Roey: oooo.... have fun with that  :P
[08:26] <Roey> lunitik:  it is like this:
[08:27] <Roey> 1) update the firewall appliance's firmware (which entails calling the company to ask them to kindly ALLOW us to download it from their web site)
[08:27] <Roey> 2) figure out problems with Veritas
[08:27] <Roey> 3) figure out problems with Symantec
[08:27] <Roey> 4) figure out MS SMS.
[08:27] <Roey> oh yeah.
[08:27] <lunitik> Funness
[08:27] <Roey> I'm saturated.
[08:28] <lunitik> All three are the most annoying kinds of tasks... depending on others to actually do... I hate that crap... I'm sooo impatient  :(
[08:29] <Roey> oh
[08:29] <Roey> well you see I have no clue of what's going on 'under the hood' so to speak
[08:41] <dimmak> i just increased my t-shirt folding abilities 10dB: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/fold.php
[08:43] <apokryphos> hahahaha
[08:44] <buz> what to use to save a whole site to my disk? wget won't cut it as it doesn't get the css it seems
[08:45] <apokryphos> buz: can't you ftp up and just copy/paste to your disk?
[08:45] <buz> nah it's cms based
[08:45] <buz> half the stuff is generated on the fly
[08:47] <apokryphos> Darn it; and I knew an app that could list all the stuff on a site. Thought, "hey, this is cool, but useless". Ergh.
[08:48] <buz> wget could usually do it
[08:48] <buz> but it won't follow url() entries in css
[08:55] <gsuveg> its possible to dont works the tip on icon on panel after today update ? hmm?
[08:58] <lunitik> gsuveg: right click panel ... configure panel ... appearence ... uncheck "Enable icon mouseover effects"
[09:23] <gsuveg> lunitik: thanks
[09:38] <ExoBuZz> hello.. i have a big problem with installing kubuntu. im getting an error on vim-common during installation of the base system. (syslog says the deb is corrupt). i have burnt the image (downloaded from cdimage.ubuntu.com) twiece, and md5sum'd it and it matches the md5sums on the cdimage site...
[09:38] <buz> mhh worked for me
[09:38] <buz> how about not installing vim?
[09:38] <buz> and then apt-getting it?
[09:39] <ExoBuZz> how can i get it to skip vim during the installation ?
[09:39] <ExoBuZz> using the hoary install cd
[09:39] <buz> mhh i don't really know to be honest ;-)
[09:39] <buz> 5.04 installed for me just fine
[09:40] <ExoBuZz> i think the cd image is corrupt ? or its just broken. i mean what else could it be ?
[09:40] <buz> what cd image did you get
[09:40] <ExoBuZz>  hoary-install-i386.iso            17-Mar-2005 21:20  583M  Installation CD for Intel x86 computers (standard download)
[09:40] <ExoBuZz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/hoary-install-i386.iso
[09:40] <buz> try the preview release that worked for me perfectly
[09:40] <apokryphos> That one is almost definitely a.o.k. Many have downloaded it since then.
[09:41] <buz> oooh it is the preview? WEIRD
[09:41] <apokryphos> buz: that is the preview
[09:41] <apokryphos> :P
[09:41] <ExoBuZz> but ive md5sum'd my local version. and it matches.. ?
[09:41] <ExoBuZz> and ive burnt it twice.. 
[09:41] <ExoBuZz> same error, same place..
[09:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hi
[09:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey, how's it going?
[09:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, fine thanks...all important things are done for today...now relaxing
[09:42] <ExoBuZz> ok so a workaround - i need to tell the install system to ignore vim.. any ideas ?
[09:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: coool. I wish I could say the same. ;-) Only done an hour or so of work.
[09:43] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: I have no idea how that's done; you might try in #ubuntu, since it'll be done in the same way for Ubuntu.
[09:43] <ExoBuZz> ill grep /etc to see for a start
[09:43] <ztonzy> apokryphos, even had to go and fix my sisters computer...some error there...I couldnt even run knoppix...either 3.6/3.7  weird....but somehow I manage to fix it
[09:43] <apokryphos> Sweet
[09:44] <ztonzy> but it is only windows on that machine, old parts from me and my brothers old machines
[09:45] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: thanks
[09:50] <buz> where to go for tv card trouble?
[09:50] <ExoBuZz> ive looked onthe install cd. the md5sum.txt for vim-common  does indeed not match the vim-common deb md5sum
[09:51] <danny666> hi
[09:51] <danny666> i have a problem with k3b
[09:52] <danny666> my dvd burner wont burn any dvd images
[10:05] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: im manually copying over a vim-common from ubuntu pool. hopefully vim-common is the only corrupt deb..
[10:15] <lunitik> ExoBuZz: you installed vim-part huh?
[10:17] <ExoBuZz> lunitik: no. im installing the kubuntu preview .. and having a problem with a base file. which is corrupt (vim-common)
[10:17] <lunitik> ExoBuZz: ohh... ahhh...
[10:18] <lunitik> ExoBuZz: yeah... dont' install vim-part either though  :P
[10:18] <ExoBuZz> ill use kate :D
[10:18] <buz> i hate vim
[10:18] <buz> or vi* for that matter ;-)
[10:19] <ExoBuZz> vim is alright.... but perhaps not for beginners.. vi is useful when i dont have any other editor available :)
[10:19] <buz> first thing on any machine is use: installing joe
[10:27] <ExoBuZz> i used to use joe, but as debian had nano as default i got used to using that
[10:27] <buz> nano or ee aint so pad either
[10:28] <buz> just about everything besides ed is better than vi though
[10:28] <crimsun> that's the crack talking
[10:28] <buz> beer, really
[10:30] <mdblitz1> how do I make kubuntu start my wlan0 interface when it boots?
[10:31] <mdblitz1> rightn now I always have to wait until kubuntu boots and then doing an ifconfig wlan0 up
[10:31] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: Ok; hopefully that'll do it. 
[10:32] <apokryphos> Is anyone else having problems with kdeaccessibility? More specifically, with KTTSD stuff.
[10:33] <apokryphos> Running that crashes it, trying to configure it from kcontrol crashes it. In fact, it's pretty hard to not crash it.
[10:33] <techlord-work> what is the easiest way to set up wireless in kubuntu.  I've tried kwifimanger but that don't seem towork, and thru the control center there is no way to adde a wep  password. 
[10:33] <mdblitz1> techlord-work: iwconfig
[10:34] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: im concered about the corruption. it means either the cd image on the server is damaged (but as you say others have used it).. or my cd writing software is completely shite and bugs out!
[10:35] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: That seems to be the two options, but I dunno. If you've got CDs to spare, and reasonable bandwidth you might try downloading Ubuntu ISO, or perhaps another version of Kubuntu
[10:35] <mdblitz1> how do I make kubuntu start my wlan0 interface when it boots?
[10:35] <techlord-work> so i should just write a shell script and run that every time? or manually add that to the interfaces file. on a related note when i come out of hibernation  my wireless doesn't' come back and neither does my keyboard.
[10:36] <mdblitz1> techlord-work: is your problem with losing your wireless everytime you restart?
[10:36] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: bandwidth is not brilliant. but i will get the official release in april. im now booting into teh base system. so ebverything is good.. 
[10:36] <mdblitz1> if so, thats what I'm trying to figure out now too
[10:36] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: Yeah, it's not too far away anyhow.
[10:36] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: you know, i wasnt really planning on installing kubuntu. but a reiser4 partition completely broke on my debian syste,
[10:37] <techlord-work> no restarting works great i just had to manually edit the interfaces file, i was just hoping there was a easier way. no i only loose wireless and keyboard when i come out of hibernation, btw my mouse still works
[10:37] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: Ubuntu is very good :), and all comments I've seen from Debian converts have all been very agreeable. 
[10:37] <ExoBuZz> i decided to switch. im also fed up eith waiting for sarge, x.org Xserver, and i want latest kde :D
[10:38] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: im looking forward to testing it out...
[10:38] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: Those are exact problems it tries to address. :)
[10:38] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: i feel like ive been waiting for sarge for 3 years... oh.. i have :/
[10:38] <apokryphos> haha :D
[10:39] <techlord-work> LOL
[10:41] <mdblitz1> techlord-work: what did you have to edit in your interface file to make the wireless start at boot?
[10:41] <ExoBuZz> just before reiser4 sent my root partition into hell, i did manage to try out kde 3.4 briefly (debian experimental) ... didnt try much more than kpdf and kmail (which didnt work as the / was already corrupted and getting worse).. pdf is pretty damn good.. far more comfortable to use
[10:42] <techlord-work> edit the information under the hotplug
[10:42] <techlord-work> i'm at work now  and my laptop is @home , but under hotplug is the stuff that auto starts at boot time
[10:42] <mdblitz1> ok
[10:42] <ExoBuZz> im looking forward to x.org.. i mean. translucent windoze. eyecandy, and not so useful perhaps, but something to fiddle with!
[10:43] <ExoBuZz> stupid irc plugin.. wont let me type "windows"
[10:43] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: yup, major improvements were made to kdpf in 3.4
[10:43] <apokryphos> ExoBuZz: Yup, eyecandy is great! Kcontrol features for it work very well, too. Quite a sight.
[10:43] <apokryphos> (composite extension, that is)
[10:44] <ExoBuZz> apokryphos: i dont want to start a gnome/kde fight (but im on the right channel for my side of the argument im sure), but does anyone else here find that with a simple theme, qt is a lot faster than gtk 2?
[10:44] <ExoBuZz> i didnt mean to direct that to you. that was a general thing
[10:44] <apokryphos> I find KDE in general much faster than Gnome, but I find gnome-devoutees saying the same but vice versa. :-)
[10:45] <ExoBuZz> i mean.. i can see complicated gnome gui's drawing themselves.. but not with qt
[10:45] <Roey> (what's "complicated" to you?)
[10:45] <ExoBuZz> gimp 
[10:45] <ExoBuZz> for example. or even simpler programs
[10:45] <Roey> looks lika buncha buttons and dialog boxes to me
[10:46] <ExoBuZz> scrolling lists is one
[10:46] <Roey> what's complicated about that?
[10:46] <Roey> can you describe the problems you experience with scrolling lists in KDE?
[10:46] <ExoBuZz> roey. yeh and its slow.. so.. simple gtk gui's are slow then if you prefer :-)
[10:46] <Roey> Or in Qt rather?
[10:46] <ExoBuZz> scrolling on qt is instant
[10:46] <Roey> (*it's)
[10:46] <Roey> oh, ok
[10:46] <Roey> hmm
[10:47] <Roey> on which GTK apps do you find scrolling to be slow?
[10:47] <ExoBuZz> it feels like more of qt is hardware accellerated
[10:47] <Roey> ah
[10:47] <ExoBuZz> than with gtk
[10:47] <ExoBuZz> anything with what i would call a "listview" dont know the actual widget name
[10:47] <Roey> somehow I feel like it's an issue that will melt away once we're all using GL for a backend.
[10:47] <Roey> or if not GL then some other hardware-3d layer
[10:48] <ExoBuZz> but not on my laptop :D
[10:48] <ExoBuZz> i would love to get rid of all gtk apps on my machine. but gimp cannot be replaced 
[10:49] <ExoBuZz> although i should be used to a million different gui systems, as an amiga user :-)
[10:50] <Roey> do you draw?
[10:50] <Roey> =)
[10:50] <Roey> oh
[10:50] <Roey> I guess you do
[10:50] <Roey> ('amiga')
[10:50] <Roey> heh
[10:50] <ExoBuZz> badly..
[10:50] <Roey> only amiga artist I know is this guy named Eric Schwartz
[10:51] <ExoBuZz> his very famous in the amiga world... but he has a strange fetish for furry things
[10:51] <Roey> not that I know him personally... I just know his many picture tributes to amiga
[10:51] <Roey> ah
[10:51] <Roey> ExoBuZz:  hey look at the current Amiga clone's web page
[10:51] <Roey> and tell me if that's a fetish or mainstream by now
[10:52] <ExoBuZz> Roey: the crap they brand amiga these days is not worth buying.. the new os development is rather interesting in sorts, but they limit it to this over priced crap ppc hardware that noone wants to buy
[10:53] <Roey> nooo
[10:53] <Roey> I'm referring to that OS clone
[10:53] <Roey> er
[10:53] <Roey> you'll see why I am referring to it
[10:53] <ExoBuZz> oh
[10:53] <Roey> forgot the name
[10:53] <Roey> it's free
[10:53] <Roey> the one with the cat
[10:53] <ExoBuZz> aros ?
[10:53] <Roey> YES
[10:53] <Roey> aros.
[10:53] <Roey> OK
[10:53] <ExoBuZz> aros is 10 years or more in development... it has some major problems to catch on
[10:53] <ExoBuZz> lack of drivers is a big part
[10:53] <Roey> ExoBuZz:  ok
[10:54] <Roey> ExoBuZz:  did Schwartz do that logo?
[10:54] <ExoBuZz> i wish them luck. but...
[10:54] <ExoBuZz> yep
[10:54] <Roey> oh really!!
[10:54] <Roey> ok
[10:54] <Roey> ok then.
[10:54] <Roey> now I know why it looks so familiar.
[10:54] <ExoBuZz> :-)
[10:54] <gsuveg> anybody use a vncserver under hoary ? 
[10:56] <coruja> wow, again 40 mb updates for my 1 gb kubuntu system, second time today - release day's coming closer... ;)
[10:57] <mdblitz1> how do I make kWiFiManager activate my config for my card when kde starts?
[11:04] <Roey> hi
[11:05] <[nrx_] > hi
[11:05] <techlord-work> hi
[11:05] <Roey> anyone having problem loading AMD64 kernels with LILO?
[11:05] <[nrx_] > anyone know what was the name of that kde game where you had to push blocks, etc to get at jewels?
[11:05] <Roey> Sokoban
[11:05] <[nrx_] > that's the one
[11:05] <[nrx_] > i think
[11:05] <Roey> =)
[11:05] <[nrx_] > anyone know if it's on a repository?
[11:05] <Roey> [nrx_] :  you're pushing jewels to get them into holes
[11:05] <Roey> yes
[11:05] <Roey> kdegames.
[11:06] <ataxic> sokoban makes your brain squeek
[11:06] <Roey> also try KAtomic
[11:06] <[nrx_] > Roey, thanks
[11:06] <Roey> I love these games
[11:06] <[nrx_] > 30.5mb 
[11:06] <[nrx_] > lol
[11:06] <ataxic> fun comes with a price :)
[11:10] <coruja> ok, some of the kicker settings have been changed (clock & positions of some icons), but rearranged with a few clicks...
[11:10] <Roey> ataxic:  like time away from work?
[11:15] <ataxic> i cant use computer for fun at work
[11:15] <[nrx_] > anyway, thanks for your help, Roey
[11:15] <ataxic> they have disabled nearly everything
[11:16] <ataxic> except the launcher for the program we need
[11:16] <ataxic> hehe
[11:16] <apokryphos> Anyone else here have problems with gstreamer? 
[11:16] <apokryphos> Traced the kttsd problem to that; either everyone is, or I certainly am, since the gstreamer engine with amaroK isn't working neither
[11:16] <moominski> apokryphos: hello m8
[11:16] <apokryphos> Hi :)
[11:17] <moominski> yeah my amorok wont work aswell
[11:17] <apokryphos> moominski: with gstreamer, or not any?
[11:17] <moominski> not any
[11:17] <moominski> none of them r working
[11:17] <apokryphos> have you tried using the xine engine?
[11:18] <moominski> yes sais i need something
[11:18] <apokryphos> what, exactly?
[11:19] <moominski> there is no input plugin for dvd
[11:20] <moominski> maybe MRL syntex is wrong
[11:20] <moominski> or file system 
[11:20] <moominski> some thin like that
[11:21] <apokryphos> Sounds odd; no problem here. All you need for that is amarok-xine -- it 
[11:21] <apokryphos> *it'll resolve dependencies
[11:22] <moominski> how do i get it
[11:22] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get install amarok-xine
[11:23] <apokryphos> You wouldn't see the xine engine as an option at all, though, if you didn't have that...
[11:24] <moominski> nah it dont work
[11:25] <gsuveg> anybody know a good sysmon for panel ? or desk?
[11:25] <gsuveg> replace the gkrellm ?
[11:25] <randabis> super karamba has a few I bleieve
[11:26] <gsuveg> randabis: i dont happy with karamba :/
[11:26] <randabis> ah, well it was just a suggestion :/
[11:26] <gsuveg> i need many hack to made usable it 
[11:26] <gsuveg> randabis: thank you
[11:27] <randabis> I don't really know of any others besides gkrellm
[11:28] <gsuveg> randabis: the karamba weather is very nice :)
[11:31] <moominski> how do i get gstreamer
[11:35] <moominski> got it workin 
[11:35] <apokryphos> moominski: unless you haven't removed it, you already have it.
[11:35] <apokryphos> gstreamer? Bah; doesn't work here; sucks.
[11:36] <moominski> rythum box dont work 
[11:37] <moominski> apokryphos: error 2 could not open resource for writing
[11:38] <moominski> and could not pause playback
[11:38] <moominski> even before it starts
[11:38] <apokryphos> never used rhythm box
[11:39] <moominski> the only 1 i seem to be able to get working is XMMS
[11:40] <apokryphos> Xine and aRts work fine with amaroK here, but Gstreamer seems evil all around..
[11:41] <moominski> i also need a cdpackage for writing cds
[11:42] <apokryphos> k3b
[11:42] <moominski> yes
[11:58] <nestorm> hi everyone
[12:00] <techlord-work> hi