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| jsgotangco | greetings | 07:15 |
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| Liz-away | hello | 07:57 |
| === Liz-away is now known as Liz | ||
| jsgotangco | hi Liz | 08:01 |
| Liz | how are you? | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | oh im just resting i had a flu for 3 days | 08:05 |
| Liz | ugh...i havent caught any colds ..yet | 08:06 |
| === Liz is keeping fingers crossed | ||
| Liz | you all better now? | 08:07 |
| === jsgotangco is doing fine now and ready to get back to work tommorow | ||
| jsgotangco | while i was sick i was trying to translate some wikis to tagalog hehe | 08:10 |
| Liz | ive fallen behind a little with the documentation..i had to reinstall hoary at one point..then 2 days ago i lost a hard drive when it went kaput on me | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | what have you been doing? | 08:14 |
| Liz | yesterday i wiped my other hdd and reinstall ubuntu back on it | 08:16 |
| Liz | took the whole day to get it upgraded to hoary and customised etc | 08:16 |
| Liz | i spent alot of yesterday studying tho | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm i just remembered i have to update my hoary later | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta start fixing for my visa too | 08:17 |
| froud | African Greetings | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | greetings froud | 08:21 |
| froud | How's everyone this morning | 08:21 |
| Liz | kia ora froud | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | im feeling much better after a flu | 08:21 |
| Liz | im feeling good too | 08:21 |
| Liz | tho i didnt have the flu | 08:21 |
| froud | so jsgotangco has gotten ove rthe flu and Liz has gotten ove rthe loss of her hard drive | 08:22 |
| Liz | hehe..still mourning its loss | 08:22 |
| Liz | 60gigs..down the drain | 08:22 |
| Liz | sgih | 08:22 |
| Liz | sigh | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | which reminds me to backup up my laptop later | 08:23 |
| froud | well guys we tagged ubuntu-doc 0.4 yesteray | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | does it also cover kubuntu doc? | 08:24 |
| Liz | yay | 08:24 |
| Liz | congratulations froud | 08:24 |
| Liz | i know everyones worked hard to get it done | 08:24 |
| Liz | i must svn all those things again too | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 08:25 |
| froud | anyone seen user docs for poxml | 08:26 |
| Liz | whats poxml? | 08:28 |
| froud | xml2po | 08:30 |
| froud | covert xml to pot and po to xml | 08:30 |
| froud | for translations | 08:30 |
| Liz | ahh.. | 08:30 |
| Liz | hadnt seen it | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | you know i get some emails here asking for help on translating and dont know where to start i point them to the wiki but still dont know what to do next | 08:31 |
| froud | jsgotangco: we are all learning | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | bbl i gotta go to the doctor later | 08:44 |
| Liz | ad ive already been to the docs..heh | 08:48 |
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| Liz | bb2moro | 10:23 |
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| abelli | buon giorno | 02:07 |
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| jjesse | who | 05:12 |
| jjesse | doh wrong window | 05:12 |
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| jjesse | welcome mdke | 06:08 |
| mdke | thanks jjesse | 06:08 |
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| froud | enrico: you're back | 07:17 |
| enrico | froud: hello | 07:17 |
| froud | how was amsterdam | 07:17 |
| enrico | So, what happened? I've seen french stuff coming in... is it already integrated in the build system? | 07:18 |
| enrico | Amsterdam is pretty ok, but I had a very useless day today | 07:18 |
| froud | no need you for that | 07:18 |
| jjesse | there were some messages in the mailing list on french stuff if i recall correctly? | 07:18 |
| froud | we still need to create -fr.xml from the po | 07:18 |
| froud | the po files for about and release notes are in | 07:19 |
| froud | we need to make them back to xml | 07:19 |
| froud | so aboutubuntu-fr.xml from aboutubuntu-fr.po | 07:19 |
| jjesse | wow a lot of changes when i did a svn up | 07:19 |
| froud | I just have not had the time to do it | 07:19 |
| froud | enrico: we are tagged at 0.4 in tags/ | 07:20 |
| froud | 0.4 is uploaded by Thom | 07:20 |
| froud | jjesse: yes Flonne has given me some great patch today | 07:21 |
| froud | jjesse: he is working on User Guide | 07:21 |
| === froud drops an explanation of using xml2pot into the room http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html | ||
| enrico | oh, cool | 07:23 |
| enrico | So, how do we work towards integrating the translations in the Debian package? | 07:23 |
| enrico | I mean, in the .deb? | 07:23 |
| froud | enrico: if you dont know then how are we expected to know | 07:23 |
| === froud yells for devels | ||
| enrico | froud: ah, ok, now I get what you asked me before | 07:24 |
| enrico | Is there something done for turning .po back into xml? | 07:24 |
| froud | enrico: nothing yet | 07:24 |
| enrico | I'll be in A'dam for two weeks, with very little time | 07:24 |
| froud | see link above | 07:25 |
| enrico | And that very little time needs to be allocated to my full-time job | 07:25 |
| froud | I will make some time soon for this | 07:25 |
| froud | understand | 07:25 |
| froud | enrico: I must also learn the upload procedure | 07:25 |
| enrico | I'll try to update the .deb build system, but I'd like someone to work out creating the translated stuff | 07:25 |
| froud | incase you are not here | 07:25 |
| froud | excuse the dump | 07:26 |
| froud | Your first usage of xml2po would probably amount to something like: | 07:26 |
| froud | xml2po C/planner-manual.xml > planner-manual.pot | 07:26 |
| froud | cp planner-manual.pot es.po | 07:26 |
| froud | Now, edit es.po, and add Spanish translations. Finally, you merge | 07:26 |
| froud | your translations back: | 07:26 |
| froud | xml2po -p es.po -o es/planner-manual.xml C/planner-manual.xml | 07:26 |
| froud | Next time C/planner-manual.xml changes, you'd sync (gettextism is | 07:26 |
| froud | "merge") your es.po first: | 07:26 |
| froud | xml2po -u es.po C/planner-manual.xml | 07:26 |
| froud | Now, you update translations in es.po, and merge them back in the | 07:26 |
| froud | same way as before (of course, don't forget to check es.po with | 07:26 |
| froud | "msgfmt -cv -o /dev/null es.po" or you may get errors): | 07:26 |
| froud | xml2po -p es.po -o es/planner-manual.xml C/planner-manual.xml | 07:26 |
| froud | enrico: I just need time to create the scripts | 07:28 |
| froud | although there are scripts in gnome utils | 07:28 |
| froud | they do not work as is in our system | 07:28 |
| jjesse | wow that website w/ the instructions to convert xml to po and back again is great | 07:28 |
| froud | jjesse: perhaps you have some time to architect a solution for us | 07:29 |
| froud | ;-) | 07:29 |
| jjesse | froud i can try and see what i can do | 07:29 |
| froud | Great | 07:30 |
| jjesse | <- is supposed to be busy working | 07:30 |
| froud | jjesse: what ever you do document it here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n | 07:30 |
| froud | enrico: need to garden that file to a suitable place | 07:31 |
| jjesse | so who does the conversion from the pot files to xml? is always the same person? | 07:31 |
| froud | any one of us can do it | 07:31 |
| froud | jjesse: once we freeze the strings | 07:31 |
| froud | somebody does a pot file | 07:31 |
| froud | the translate guys take them and make po | 07:32 |
| froud | they give us back po | 07:32 |
| froud | we make xml from thier po files | 07:32 |
| jjesse | ah i c | 07:32 |
| froud | basic file name convention is <filename>-<lang>.po | 07:32 |
| froud | to <filename>-<lang>.xml | 07:33 |
| froud | the en files are just <filename>.xml and <filename>.pot | 07:33 |
| froud | At present the i18n files reside in the same folder as the en files | 07:34 |
| froud | after hoary the i18n files fill each go to thier own folder | 07:34 |
| froud | according to the GNOME i18n folder naming convention | 07:34 |
| froud | take a look at gnome-utils | 07:35 |
| froud | take a look at gnome-doc-utils | 07:35 |
| froud | we can crib it from there | 07:35 |
| froud | the i18n guys will take the pot and put it in Rosetta | 07:36 |
| === froud is now tired | ||
| jjesse | reading and trying to understan | 07:36 |
| mdke | so the docs are def. going into rosetta? | 07:36 |
| froud | mkde: well I dont really care so long as we get a po back :-) | 07:37 |
| froud | for me i18n should be a black box | 07:37 |
| froud | we put it in and it comes out with a new flag | 07:37 |
| mdke | froud, seriously now | 07:37 |
| mdke | get my name right | 07:37 |
| froud | mkde: not intil you move to Kubuntu | 07:38 |
| mdke | or you're gonna get beatz | 07:38 |
| mdke | ;) | 07:38 |
| froud | :-) | 07:38 |
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| froud | mdke: I dont mind how they do the actual translation | 07:38 |
| froud | so long as we can give them what they want | 07:39 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:39 |
| froud | and get back waht we want, without to much work on either side | 07:39 |
| mdke | but it would be nice if rosetta was workin | 07:39 |
| froud | that is why it is important to do ther merge and sync stuff | 07:39 |
| mdke | i might join their list | 07:40 |
| froud | mdke: you like translations hey? | 07:40 |
| mdke | i think they should work more closely with the locoteams | 07:40 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:40 |
| froud | well we can always put you in charge of that department | 07:40 |
| mdke | is there such a department? | 07:41 |
| froud | I have enough on my hands with writing and XML framework | 07:41 |
| mdke | its the translation teams department really | 07:41 |
| froud | yes but having an interface to follow through on things is good for distributing the load on the writers | 07:41 |
| froud | we have lots of ground to cover after hoary and putting people in place with roles could resolve confusion | 07:43 |
| mdke | ok well listen if I can help out, just tell me what to do | 07:43 |
| froud | well you can chase for translations | 07:43 |
| mdke | ok sure | 07:43 |
| froud | and when we freeze docs you can pickup the ball and let people know we are ready | 07:44 |
| mdke | there have been two responses from the locoteam email i sent yesterday | 07:44 |
| jjesse | reall quick for kubuntu all i need to install is kubuntu-desktop right? | 07:44 |
| mdke | and the italian team has also responded | 07:44 |
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| mdke | lol | 07:44 |
| froud | jjesse: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php | 07:44 |
| mdke | awww | 07:45 |
| === mdke says hi to enrico | ||
| froud | we chased him off | 07:46 |
| froud | he must be tired from his trip | 07:46 |
| froud | jjesse: let me know how you find that document to be | 07:47 |
| === froud also going off to do work' | ||
| mdke | k | 07:47 |
| mdke | cya froud | 07:47 |
| jjesse | wow that was the most conersation in this channel that i have seen in a long long time :) | 07:56 |
| mdke | lol | 07:56 |
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| apokryphos | hey froud :) | 07:57 |
| froud | apokryphos: hey | 07:58 |
| === froud looks for a patch | ||
| apokryphos | Will be done in a few :P. What tag should I use for describing a checkbox-description? | 07:58 |
| apokryphos | i.e. in the Find, "Dynamic Results". | 07:59 |
| froud | the check box is a guibutton but if your want just the tag use label | 08:00 |
| froud | guilabel | 08:00 |
| apokryphos | ok | 08:00 |
| froud | apokryphos: I normally just say the <guibutton>Dynamic Results</guibutton> checkbox | 08:01 |
| apokryphos | I'll svn up; only really done Find and Commiting Changes part, but I've got time now so I'll do others | 08:01 |
| froud | Ok sure, dont worry if some stuff does not work. I found a few place were the app is not implimented yet | 08:02 |
| === froud goes back to work | ||
| apokryphos | http://youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/kynaptic.xml.diff | 08:05 |
| === froud does wget | ||
| apokryphos | some are very minor things ;) | 08:07 |
| froud | apokryphos: great thanks I just touch a few peices in your patch will will commit in a momement | 08:12 |
| apokryphos | cool | 08:12 |
| apokryphos | froud: If there's any recurring docbok errors, please do let me know, so I don't make 'em again. :P | 08:13 |
| froud | apokryphos: theres a heap | 08:14 |
| apokryphos | :/ | 08:14 |
| froud | do you know how to validate | 08:14 |
| apokryphos | Hmm, can I use checkXML for that file? | 08:14 |
| froud | apokryphos: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XsltprocAndXmllint | 08:15 |
| froud | I will fix them | 08:15 |
| froud | and dont worry about it if you make mistakes | 08:15 |
| froud | just try to make less | 08:15 |
| froud | :-) | 08:15 |
| froud | but hey, thanks for the patch man | 08:15 |
| froud | apokryphos: you will be able to see the problems if you do a diff agianst HEAD when I have done the commit | 08:17 |
| apokryphos | Yeah, eek, sorry. Need to do more practice. Will use that tool referenced. ;-) | 08:18 |
| froud | cool | 08:19 |
| froud | but really it is ok | 08:19 |
| froud | it is not ok if you are a commotter though ;-) | 08:19 |
| === apokryphos is happy he isn't one then | ||
| jjesse | wow kubuntu-desktop is a huge update :) | 08:22 |
| apokryphos | Yeah, I believe they're building release candidate candidates now ;) | 08:23 |
| froud | apokryphos: | 08:26 |
| froud | svn commit -m commit a patch compliments of "apokryphos" kynaptic.xml --non-interactive | 08:26 |
| froud | Sending kynaptic.xml | 08:26 |
| froud | Transmitting file data . | 08:26 |
| froud | Committed revision 787. | 08:26 |
| froud | successfully (0) | 08:26 |
| froud | wil will be doing an indent of the file now. So if you need to diff do it on r787 | 08:26 |
| apokryphos | cool. Will a plain svn up update me now? | 08:27 |
| apokryphos | So if you need to diff do it on r787 -- not sure if I understand completely. :P | 08:27 |
| froud | apokryphos: no only if you wanted to see the changes I made | 08:28 |
| froud | you can just do svn revert kynaptic.xml | 08:29 |
| apokryphos | right | 08:29 |
| === apokryphos is warming to svn | ||
| froud | that will make the HEAD in your working copy | 08:29 |
| froud | apokryphos: it's easier than tla or cvs | 08:30 |
| froud | altough Baz is looking good | 08:30 |
| froud | apokryphos: a new HTML is in http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/kynaptic/kynaptic.html | 08:32 |
| apokryphos | froud: excellent; thanks. :) | 08:33 |
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| jjesse | ooo new kde looks great | 08:33 |
| jjesse | just need to configure my desktop and stuff | 08:34 |
| froud | jjesse: welcome to KDE | 08:34 |
| froud | jjesse: this will make mdke mad ;_0 | 08:35 |
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| froud | jjesse: was that document of any help | 08:35 |
| apokryphos | A new recruit: excellent. | 08:35 |
| === mdke slaps jjesse and goes back /away | ||
| froud | apokryphos: soon the whole docteam will be on Kubuntu | 08:35 |
| === mdke holds the gnome flag up | ||
| froud | five toes and a foot | 08:35 |
| jjesse | that doc was great still reading through it though to make sure there is nothing i would like to suggest | 08:36 |
| === froud tells Kongi, "Blow flames on those toes." | ||
| mdke | hmm | 08:36 |
| === froud watches mdke hop around on one foot | ||
| mdke | i will try kde | 08:36 |
| mdke | is 3.4 out officially? | 08:36 |
| apokryphos | Yup | 08:36 |
| apokryphos | since a few weeks ago now.. | 08:37 |
| === froud says, "You will try KDE." | ||
| mdke | its not in gentoo yet | 08:37 |
| mdke | when it is I will try it | 08:37 |
| apokryphos | It's available to emerge, I'm pretty sure... | 08:38 |
| mdke | not in stable | 08:38 |
| mdke | * kde-base/kdebase | 08:38 |
| mdke | Latest version available: 3.3.2-r1 | 08:38 |
| mdke | i am patient anyhow :) | 08:39 |
| apokryphos | ah, ok. Sure. | 08:39 |
| apokryphos | hey wait a minute, isn't this *ubuntu*-doc :D | 08:39 |
| mdke | lol | 08:40 |
| apokryphos | Heretic! | 08:40 |
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| mdke | i have ubuntu on my lappy | 08:40 |
| === apokryphos gets the rope and the fire | ||
| mdke | i'm leaving for a while now | 08:40 |
| froud | guys must love ya and leave ya for now. When I come back I expect everyone to be running Kubuntu ;-) | 08:41 |
| froud | apokryphos: thanks for the patch | 08:41 |
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| apokryphos | froud-away: for when you get back: what should be put in the Managing Packages section? | 08:55 |
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| claude | does someone know if it's still time to work on translations of hoary release-notes ? | 09:16 |
| claude | i've got a diff on french translation... | 09:16 |
| Burgundavia | claude: I have not been involved, but we haven't released yet | 09:39 |
| claude | so i can send the diff to the list, right ? | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | I would do so | 09:41 |
| claude | k | 09:41 |
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