=== mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@spc1-watf1-4-0-cust201.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === drasko [~drasko@kds4-092.ptt.yu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maori [~Liz@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060020ed20f68f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz is now known as Liz-away === jsgotangco [DaWorm@dialup-222-126-64-56.infocom.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:15] greetings [07:57] hello === Liz-away is now known as Liz [08:01] hi Liz [08:05] how are you? [08:05] oh im just resting i had a flu for 3 days [08:06] ugh...i havent caught any colds ..yet === Liz is keeping fingers crossed [08:07] you all better now? === jsgotangco is doing fine now and ready to get back to work tommorow [08:10] while i was sick i was trying to translate some wikis to tagalog hehe [08:14] ive fallen behind a little with the documentation..i had to reinstall hoary at one point..then 2 days ago i lost a hard drive when it went kaput on me [08:14] what have you been doing? [08:16] yesterday i wiped my other hdd and reinstall ubuntu back on it [08:16] took the whole day to get it upgraded to hoary and customised etc [08:17] i spent alot of yesterday studying tho [08:17] hmmm i just remembered i have to update my hoary later [08:17] i gotta start fixing for my visa too [08:21] African Greetings [08:21] greetings froud [08:21] How's everyone this morning [08:21] kia ora froud [08:21] im feeling much better after a flu [08:21] im feeling good too [08:21] tho i didnt have the flu [08:22] so jsgotangco has gotten ove rthe flu and Liz has gotten ove rthe loss of her hard drive [08:22] hehe..still mourning its loss [08:22] 60gigs..down the drain [08:22] sgih [08:22] sigh [08:23] which reminds me to backup up my laptop later [08:24] well guys we tagged ubuntu-doc 0.4 yesteray [08:24] does it also cover kubuntu doc? [08:24] yay [08:24] congratulations froud [08:24] i know everyones worked hard to get it done [08:25] i must svn all those things again too [08:25] same here [08:26] anyone seen user docs for poxml [08:28] whats poxml? [08:30] xml2po [08:30] covert xml to pot and po to xml [08:30] for translations [08:30] ahh.. [08:30] hadnt seen it [08:31] you know i get some emails here asking for help on translating and dont know where to start i point them to the wiki but still dont know what to do next [08:32] jsgotangco: we are all learning [08:44] bbl i gotta go to the doctor later [08:48] ad ive already been to the docs..heh === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060020ed20f68f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claude [~Claude@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trickie [~trickie@203-166-242-109.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] bb2moro === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-108.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [DaWorm@info4-10.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [~paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmobot [cosmobot@ts3-b86.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~john@03f54b13129915d7.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:07] buon giorno === froud-work [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:12] who [05:12] doh wrong window === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] welcome mdke [06:08] thanks jjesse === abelli [~john@host-84-222-39-106.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-work waves at mkde === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:17] enrico: you're back [07:17] froud: hello [07:17] how was amsterdam [07:18] So, what happened? I've seen french stuff coming in... is it already integrated in the build system? [07:18] Amsterdam is pretty ok, but I had a very useless day today [07:18] no need you for that [07:18] there were some messages in the mailing list on french stuff if i recall correctly? [07:18] we still need to create -fr.xml from the po [07:19] the po files for about and release notes are in [07:19] we need to make them back to xml [07:19] so aboutubuntu-fr.xml from aboutubuntu-fr.po [07:19] wow a lot of changes when i did a svn up [07:19] I just have not had the time to do it [07:20] enrico: we are tagged at 0.4 in tags/ [07:20] 0.4 is uploaded by Thom [07:21] jjesse: yes Flonne has given me some great patch today [07:21] jjesse: he is working on User Guide === froud drops an explanation of using xml2pot into the room http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html [07:23] oh, cool [07:23] So, how do we work towards integrating the translations in the Debian package? [07:23] I mean, in the .deb? [07:23] enrico: if you dont know then how are we expected to know === froud yells for devels [07:24] froud: ah, ok, now I get what you asked me before [07:24] Is there something done for turning .po back into xml? [07:24] enrico: nothing yet [07:24] I'll be in A'dam for two weeks, with very little time [07:25] see link above [07:25] And that very little time needs to be allocated to my full-time job [07:25] I will make some time soon for this [07:25] understand [07:25] enrico: I must also learn the upload procedure [07:25] I'll try to update the .deb build system, but I'd like someone to work out creating the translated stuff [07:25] incase you are not here [07:26] excuse the dump [07:26] Your first usage of xml2po would probably amount to something like: [07:26] xml2po C/planner-manual.xml > planner-manual.pot [07:26] cp planner-manual.pot es.po [07:26] Now, edit es.po, and add Spanish translations. Finally, you merge [07:26] your translations back: [07:26] xml2po -p es.po -o es/planner-manual.xml C/planner-manual.xml [07:26] Next time C/planner-manual.xml changes, you'd sync (gettextism is [07:26] "merge") your es.po first: [07:26] xml2po -u es.po C/planner-manual.xml [07:26] Now, you update translations in es.po, and merge them back in the [07:26] same way as before (of course, don't forget to check es.po with [07:26] "msgfmt -cv -o /dev/null es.po" or you may get errors): [07:26] xml2po -p es.po -o es/planner-manual.xml C/planner-manual.xml [07:28] enrico: I just need time to create the scripts [07:28] although there are scripts in gnome utils [07:28] they do not work as is in our system [07:28] wow that website w/ the instructions to convert xml to po and back again is great [07:29] jjesse: perhaps you have some time to architect a solution for us [07:29] ;-) [07:29] froud i can try and see what i can do [07:30] Great [07:30] <- is supposed to be busy working [07:30] jjesse: what ever you do document it here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n [07:31] enrico: need to garden that file to a suitable place [07:31] so who does the conversion from the pot files to xml? is always the same person? [07:31] any one of us can do it [07:31] jjesse: once we freeze the strings [07:31] somebody does a pot file [07:32] the translate guys take them and make po [07:32] they give us back po [07:32] we make xml from thier po files [07:32] ah i c [07:32] basic file name convention is -.po [07:33] to -.xml [07:33] the en files are just .xml and .pot [07:34] At present the i18n files reside in the same folder as the en files [07:34] after hoary the i18n files fill each go to thier own folder [07:34] according to the GNOME i18n folder naming convention [07:35] take a look at gnome-utils [07:35] take a look at gnome-doc-utils [07:35] we can crib it from there [07:36] the i18n guys will take the pot and put it in Rosetta === froud is now tired [07:36] reading and trying to understan [07:36] so the docs are def. going into rosetta? [07:37] mkde: well I dont really care so long as we get a po back :-) [07:37] for me i18n should be a black box [07:37] we put it in and it comes out with a new flag [07:37] froud, seriously now [07:37] get my name right [07:38] mkde: not intil you move to Kubuntu [07:38] or you're gonna get beatz [07:38] ;) [07:38] :-) === mdke adds mkde to highlights [07:38] mdke: I dont mind how they do the actual translation [07:39] so long as we can give them what they want [07:39] yeah [07:39] and get back waht we want, without to much work on either side [07:39] but it would be nice if rosetta was workin [07:39] that is why it is important to do ther merge and sync stuff [07:40] i might join their list [07:40] mdke: you like translations hey? [07:40] i think they should work more closely with the locoteams [07:40] yeah [07:40] well we can always put you in charge of that department [07:41] is there such a department? [07:41] I have enough on my hands with writing and XML framework [07:41] its the translation teams department really [07:41] yes but having an interface to follow through on things is good for distributing the load on the writers [07:43] we have lots of ground to cover after hoary and putting people in place with roles could resolve confusion [07:43] ok well listen if I can help out, just tell me what to do [07:43] well you can chase for translations [07:43] ok sure [07:44] and when we freeze docs you can pickup the ball and let people know we are ready [07:44] there have been two responses from the locoteam email i sent yesterday [07:44] reall quick for kubuntu all i need to install is kubuntu-desktop right? [07:44] and the italian team has also responded === enrico can't cope with the IRC volume today [07:44] lol [07:44] jjesse: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php [07:45] awww === mdke says hi to enrico [07:46] we chased him off [07:46] he must be tired from his trip [07:47] jjesse: let me know how you find that document to be === froud also going off to do work' [07:47] k [07:47] cya froud [07:56] wow that was the most conersation in this channel that i have seen in a long long time :) [07:56] lol === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] hey froud :) [07:58] apokryphos: hey === froud looks for a patch [07:58] Will be done in a few :P. What tag should I use for describing a checkbox-description? [07:59] i.e. in the Find, "Dynamic Results". [08:00] the check box is a guibutton but if your want just the tag use label [08:00] guilabel [08:00] ok [08:01] apokryphos: I normally just say the Dynamic Results checkbox [08:01] I'll svn up; only really done Find and Commiting Changes part, but I've got time now so I'll do others [08:02] Ok sure, dont worry if some stuff does not work. I found a few place were the app is not implimented yet === froud goes back to work [08:05] http://youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/kynaptic.xml.diff === froud does wget [08:07] some are very minor things ;) [08:12] apokryphos: great thanks I just touch a few peices in your patch will will commit in a momement [08:12] cool [08:13] froud: If there's any recurring docbok errors, please do let me know, so I don't make 'em again. :P [08:14] apokryphos: theres a heap [08:14] :/ [08:14] do you know how to validate [08:14] Hmm, can I use checkXML for that file? [08:15] apokryphos: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XsltprocAndXmllint [08:15] I will fix them [08:15] and dont worry about it if you make mistakes [08:15] just try to make less [08:15] :-) [08:15] but hey, thanks for the patch man [08:17] apokryphos: you will be able to see the problems if you do a diff agianst HEAD when I have done the commit [08:18] Yeah, eek, sorry. Need to do more practice. Will use that tool referenced. ;-) [08:19] cool [08:19] but really it is ok [08:19] it is not ok if you are a commotter though ;-) === apokryphos is happy he isn't one then [08:22] wow kubuntu-desktop is a huge update :) [08:23] Yeah, I believe they're building release candidate candidates now ;) [08:26] apokryphos: [08:26] svn commit -m commit a patch compliments of "apokryphos" kynaptic.xml --non-interactive [08:26] Sending kynaptic.xml [08:26] Transmitting file data . [08:26] Committed revision 787. [08:26] successfully (0) [08:26] wil will be doing an indent of the file now. So if you need to diff do it on r787 [08:27] cool. Will a plain svn up update me now? [08:27] So if you need to diff do it on r787 -- not sure if I understand completely. :P [08:28] apokryphos: no only if you wanted to see the changes I made [08:29] you can just do svn revert kynaptic.xml [08:29] right === apokryphos is warming to svn [08:29] that will make the HEAD in your working copy [08:30] apokryphos: it's easier than tla or cvs [08:30] altough Baz is looking good [08:32] apokryphos: a new HTML is in http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/kynaptic/kynaptic.html [08:33] froud: excellent; thanks. :) === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:33] ooo new kde looks great [08:34] just need to configure my desktop and stuff [08:34] jjesse: welcome to KDE [08:35] jjesse: this will make mdke mad ;_0 === mdke comes back from /away [08:35] jjesse: was that document of any help [08:35] A new recruit: excellent. === mdke slaps jjesse and goes back /away [08:35] apokryphos: soon the whole docteam will be on Kubuntu === mdke holds the gnome flag up [08:35] five toes and a foot [08:36] that doc was great still reading through it though to make sure there is nothing i would like to suggest === froud tells Kongi, "Blow flames on those toes." [08:36] hmm === froud watches mdke hop around on one foot [08:36] i will try kde [08:36] is 3.4 out officially? [08:36] Yup [08:37] since a few weeks ago now.. === froud says, "You will try KDE." [08:37] its not in gentoo yet [08:37] when it is I will try it [08:38] It's available to emerge, I'm pretty sure... [08:38] not in stable [08:38] * kde-base/kdebase [08:38] Latest version available: 3.3.2-r1 [08:39] i am patient anyhow :) [08:39] ah, ok. Sure. [08:39] hey wait a minute, isn't this *ubuntu*-doc :D [08:40] lol [08:40] Heretic! === claude [~claude@240.77.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:40] i have ubuntu on my lappy === apokryphos gets the rope and the fire [08:40] i'm leaving for a while now [08:41] guys must love ya and leave ya for now. When I come back I expect everyone to be running Kubuntu ;-) [08:41] apokryphos: thanks for the patch === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-102.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:55] froud-away: for when you get back: what should be put in the Managing Packages section? === abelli [~john@26c2b40dba594f68.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:16] does someone know if it's still time to work on translations of hoary release-notes ? [09:16] i've got a diff on french translation... [09:39] claude: I have not been involved, but we haven't released yet [09:40] so i can send the diff to the list, right ? [09:41] I would do so [09:41] k === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~john@host-84-222-39-106.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === drasko [~drasko@kds4-092.ptt.yu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claude [~claude@240.77.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc