[07:15] <jsgotangco> greetings
[07:57] <Liz-away> hello
[08:01] <jsgotangco> hi Liz
[08:05] <Liz> how are you?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> oh im just resting i had a flu for 3 days
[08:06] <Liz> ugh...i havent caught any colds ..yet
[08:07] <Liz> you all better now?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> while i was sick i was trying to translate some wikis to tagalog hehe
[08:14] <Liz> ive fallen behind a little with the documentation..i had to reinstall hoary at one point..then 2 days ago i lost a hard drive when it went kaput on me
[08:14] <jsgotangco> what have you been doing?
[08:16] <Liz> yesterday i wiped my other hdd and reinstall ubuntu back on it
[08:16] <Liz> took the whole day to get it upgraded to hoary and customised etc
[08:17] <Liz> i spent alot of yesterday studying tho
[08:17] <jsgotangco> hmmm i just remembered i have to update my hoary later
[08:17] <jsgotangco> i gotta start fixing for my visa too
[08:21] <froud> African Greetings
[08:21] <jsgotangco> greetings froud
[08:21] <froud> How's everyone this morning
[08:21] <Liz> kia ora froud 
[08:21] <jsgotangco> im feeling much better after a flu
[08:21] <Liz> im feeling good too
[08:21] <Liz> tho i didnt have the flu
[08:22] <froud> so jsgotangco has gotten ove rthe flu and Liz has gotten ove rthe loss of her hard drive
[08:22] <Liz> hehe..still mourning its loss
[08:22] <Liz> 60gigs..down the drain
[08:22] <Liz> sgih
[08:22] <Liz> sigh
[08:23] <jsgotangco> which reminds me to backup up my laptop later
[08:24] <froud> well guys we tagged ubuntu-doc 0.4 yesteray
[08:24] <jsgotangco> does it also cover kubuntu doc?
[08:24] <Liz> yay
[08:24] <Liz> congratulations froud
[08:24] <Liz> i know everyones worked hard to get it done
[08:25] <Liz> i must svn all those things again too
[08:25] <jsgotangco> same here
[08:26] <froud> anyone  seen user docs for poxml
[08:28] <Liz> whats poxml?
[08:30] <froud> xml2po
[08:30] <froud> covert xml to pot and po to xml
[08:30] <froud> for translations
[08:30] <Liz> ahh..
[08:30] <Liz> hadnt seen it
[08:31] <jsgotangco> you know i get some emails here asking for help on translating and dont know where to start i point them to the wiki but still dont know what to do next
[08:32] <froud> jsgotangco: we are all learning
[08:44] <jsgotangco> bbl i gotta go to the doctor later
[08:48] <Liz> ad ive already been to the docs..heh
[10:23] <Liz> bb2moro
[02:07] <abelli> buon giorno
[05:12] <jjesse> who
[05:12] <jjesse> doh wrong window
[06:08] <jjesse> welcome mdke
[06:08] <mdke> thanks jjesse 
[07:17] <froud> enrico: you're back
[07:17] <enrico> froud: hello
[07:17] <froud> how was amsterdam
[07:18] <enrico> So, what happened?  I've seen french stuff coming in... is it already integrated in the build system?
[07:18] <enrico> Amsterdam is pretty ok, but I had a very useless day today
[07:18] <froud> no need you for that
[07:18] <jjesse> there were some messages in the mailing list on french stuff if i recall correctly?
[07:18] <froud> we still need to create -fr.xml from the po
[07:19] <froud> the po files for about and release notes are in
[07:19] <froud> we need to make them back to xml
[07:19] <froud> so aboutubuntu-fr.xml from aboutubuntu-fr.po
[07:19] <jjesse> wow a lot of changes when i did a svn up
[07:19] <froud> I just have not had the time to do it
[07:20] <froud> enrico: we are tagged at 0.4 in tags/
[07:20] <froud> 0.4 is uploaded by Thom
[07:21] <froud> jjesse: yes Flonne has given me some great patch today
[07:21] <froud> jjesse: he is working on User Guide
[07:23] <enrico> oh, cool
[07:23] <enrico> So, how do we work towards integrating the translations in the Debian package?
[07:23] <enrico> I mean, in the .deb?
[07:23] <froud> enrico: if you dont know then how are we expected to know
[07:24] <enrico> froud: ah, ok, now I get what you asked me before
[07:24] <enrico> Is there something done for turning .po back into xml?
[07:24] <froud> enrico: nothing yet
[07:24] <enrico> I'll be in A'dam for two weeks, with very little time
[07:25] <froud> see link above
[07:25] <enrico> And that very little time needs to be allocated to my full-time job
[07:25] <froud> I will make some time soon for this
[07:25] <froud> understand
[07:25] <froud> enrico: I must also learn the upload procedure
[07:25] <enrico> I'll try to update the .deb build system, but I'd like someone to work out creating the translated stuff
[07:25] <froud> incase you are not here
[07:26] <froud> excuse the dump
[07:26] <froud> Your first usage of xml2po would probably amount to something like:
[07:26] <froud>   xml2po C/planner-manual.xml > planner-manual.pot
[07:26] <froud>   cp planner-manual.pot es.po
[07:26] <froud> Now, edit es.po, and add Spanish translations.  Finally, you merge
[07:26] <froud> your translations back:
[07:26] <froud>   xml2po -p es.po -o es/planner-manual.xml C/planner-manual.xml
[07:26] <froud> Next time C/planner-manual.xml changes, you'd sync (gettextism is
[07:26] <froud> "merge") your es.po first:
[07:26] <froud>   xml2po -u es.po C/planner-manual.xml
[07:26] <froud> Now, you update translations in es.po, and merge them back in the
[07:26] <froud> same way as before (of course, don't forget to check es.po with
[07:26] <froud> "msgfmt -cv -o /dev/null es.po" or you may get errors):
[07:26] <froud>   xml2po -p es.po -o es/planner-manual.xml C/planner-manual.xml
[07:28] <froud> enrico: I just need time to create the scripts
[07:28] <froud> although there are scripts in gnome utils
[07:28] <froud> they do not work as is in our system
[07:28] <jjesse> wow that website w/ the instructions to convert xml to po and back again is great
[07:29] <froud> jjesse: perhaps you have some time to architect a solution for us
[07:29] <froud> ;-)
[07:29] <jjesse> froud i can try and see what i can do
[07:30] <froud> Great
[07:30] <jjesse> <- is supposed to be busy working
[07:30] <froud> jjesse:  what ever you do document it here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n
[07:31] <froud> enrico: need to garden that file to a suitable place
[07:31] <jjesse> so who does the conversion from the pot files to xml?  is always the same person?
[07:31] <froud> any one of us can do it
[07:31] <froud> jjesse: once we freeze the strings
[07:31] <froud> somebody does a pot file
[07:32] <froud> the translate guys take them and make po
[07:32] <froud> they give us back po
[07:32] <froud> we make xml from thier po files
[07:32] <jjesse> ah i c
[07:32] <froud> basic file name convention is <filename>-<lang>.po
[07:33] <froud> to <filename>-<lang>.xml
[07:33] <froud> the en files are just <filename>.xml and <filename>.pot
[07:34] <froud> At present the i18n files reside in the same folder as the en files
[07:34] <froud> after hoary the i18n files fill each go to thier own folder
[07:34] <froud> according to the GNOME i18n folder naming convention
[07:35] <froud> take a look at gnome-utils
[07:35] <froud> take a look at gnome-doc-utils
[07:35] <froud> we can crib it from there
[07:36] <froud> the i18n guys will take the pot and put it in Rosetta
[07:36] <jjesse> reading and trying to understan
[07:36] <mdke> so the docs are def. going into rosetta?
[07:37] <froud> mkde: well I dont really care so long as we get a po back :-)
[07:37] <froud> for me i18n should be a black box
[07:37] <froud> we put it in and it comes out with a new flag
[07:37] <mdke> froud, seriously now
[07:37] <mdke> get my name right
[07:38] <froud> mkde: not intil you move to Kubuntu
[07:38] <mdke> or you're gonna get beatz
[07:38] <mdke> ;)
[07:38] <froud> :-)
[07:38] <froud> mdke: I dont mind how they do the actual translation
[07:39] <froud> so long as we can give them what they want
[07:39] <mdke> yeah
[07:39] <froud> and get back waht we want, without to much work on either side
[07:39] <mdke> but it would be nice if rosetta was workin
[07:39] <froud> that is why it is important to do ther merge and sync stuff
[07:40] <mdke> i might join their list
[07:40] <froud> mdke: you like translations hey?
[07:40] <mdke> i think they should work more closely with the locoteams
[07:40] <mdke> yeah
[07:40] <froud> well we can always put you in charge of that department
[07:41] <mdke> is there such a department?
[07:41] <froud> I have enough on my hands with writing and XML framework
[07:41] <mdke> its the translation teams department really
[07:41] <froud> yes but having an interface to follow through on things is good for distributing the load on the writers
[07:43] <froud> we have lots of ground to cover after hoary and putting people in place with roles could resolve confusion
[07:43] <mdke> ok well listen if I can help out, just tell me what to do
[07:43] <froud> well you can chase for translations
[07:43] <mdke> ok sure
[07:44] <froud> and when we freeze docs you can pickup the ball and let people know we are ready
[07:44] <mdke> there have been two responses from the locoteam email i sent yesterday
[07:44] <jjesse> reall quick for kubuntu all i need to install is kubuntu-desktop right?
[07:44] <mdke> and the italian team has also responded
[07:44] <mdke> lol
[07:44] <froud> jjesse:  http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php
[07:45] <mdke> awww
[07:46] <froud> we chased him off
[07:46] <froud> he must be tired from his trip
[07:47] <froud> jjesse: let me know how you find that document to be
[07:47] <mdke> k
[07:47] <mdke> cya froud 
[07:56] <jjesse> wow that was the most conersation in this channel that i have seen in a long long time :)
[07:56] <mdke> lol
[07:57] <apokryphos> hey froud :)
[07:58] <froud> apokryphos: hey
[07:58] <apokryphos> Will be done in a few :P. What tag should I use for describing a checkbox-description?
[07:59] <apokryphos> i.e. in the Find, "Dynamic Results".
[08:00] <froud> the check box is a guibutton but if your want just the tag use label
[08:00] <froud> guilabel
[08:00] <apokryphos> ok
[08:01] <froud> apokryphos:  I normally just say the <guibutton>Dynamic Results</guibutton> checkbox
[08:01] <apokryphos> I'll svn up; only really done Find and Commiting Changes part, but I've got time now so I'll do others
[08:02] <froud> Ok sure, dont worry if some stuff does not work. I found a few place were the app is not implimented yet
[08:05] <apokryphos> http://youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/kynaptic.xml.diff
[08:07] <apokryphos> some are very minor things ;)
[08:12] <froud> apokryphos: great thanks I just touch a few peices in your patch will will commit in a momement
[08:12] <apokryphos> cool
[08:13] <apokryphos> froud: If there's any recurring docbok errors, please do let me know, so I don't make 'em again. :P
[08:14] <froud> apokryphos: theres a heap
[08:14] <apokryphos> :/
[08:14] <froud> do you know how to validate
[08:14] <apokryphos> Hmm, can I use checkXML for that file?
[08:15] <froud> apokryphos: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XsltprocAndXmllint
[08:15] <froud> I will fix them
[08:15] <froud> and dont worry about it if you make mistakes
[08:15] <froud> just try to make less
[08:15] <froud> :-)
[08:15] <froud> but hey, thanks for the patch man
[08:17] <froud> apokryphos: you will be able to see the problems if you do a diff agianst HEAD when I have done the commit
[08:18] <apokryphos> Yeah, eek, sorry. Need to do more practice. Will use that tool referenced. ;-)
[08:19] <froud> cool
[08:19] <froud> but really it is ok
[08:19] <froud> it is not ok if you are a commotter though ;-)
[08:22] <jjesse> wow kubuntu-desktop is  a huge update :)
[08:23] <apokryphos> Yeah, I believe they're building release candidate candidates now ;)
[08:26] <froud> apokryphos:
[08:26] <froud> svn commit -m commit a patch compliments of "apokryphos" kynaptic.xml --non-interactive 
[08:26] <froud> Sending kynaptic.xml
[08:26] <froud> Transmitting file data .
[08:26] <froud> Committed revision 787.
[08:26] <froud> successfully (0)
[08:26] <froud> wil will be doing an indent of the file now. So if you need to diff do it on r787
[08:27] <apokryphos> cool. Will a plain svn up update me now?
[08:27] <apokryphos>  So if you need to diff do it on r787 -- not sure if I understand completely. :P
[08:28] <froud> apokryphos: no only if you wanted to see the changes I made
[08:29] <froud> you can just do svn revert kynaptic.xml
[08:29] <apokryphos> right
[08:29] <froud> that will make the HEAD in your working copy
[08:30] <froud> apokryphos: it's easier than tla or cvs
[08:30] <froud> altough Baz is looking good
[08:32] <froud> apokryphos: a new HTML is in http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/kynaptic/kynaptic.html
[08:33] <apokryphos> froud: excellent; thanks. :)
[08:33] <jjesse> ooo new kde looks great
[08:34] <jjesse> just need to configure my desktop and stuff
[08:34] <froud> jjesse: welcome to KDE
[08:35] <froud> jjesse: this will make mdke mad ;_0
[08:35] <froud> jjesse: was that document of any help
[08:35] <apokryphos> A new recruit: excellent.
[08:35] <froud> apokryphos: soon the whole docteam will be on Kubuntu
[08:35] <froud> five toes and a foot
[08:36] <jjesse> that doc was great still reading through it though to make sure there is nothing i would like to suggest
[08:36] <mdke> hmm
[08:36] <mdke> i will try kde
[08:36] <mdke> is 3.4 out officially?
[08:36] <apokryphos> Yup
[08:37] <apokryphos> since a few weeks ago now..
[08:37] <mdke> its not in gentoo yet
[08:37] <mdke> when it is I will try it
[08:38] <apokryphos> It's available to emerge, I'm pretty sure...
[08:38] <mdke> not in stable
[08:38] <mdke> *  kde-base/kdebase
[08:38] <mdke>       Latest version available: 3.3.2-r1
[08:39] <mdke> i am patient anyhow :)
[08:39] <apokryphos> ah, ok. Sure.
[08:39] <apokryphos> hey wait a minute, isn't this *ubuntu*-doc :D
[08:40] <mdke> lol
[08:40] <apokryphos> Heretic!
[08:40] <mdke> i have ubuntu on my lappy
[08:40] <mdke> i'm leaving for a while now
[08:41] <froud> guys must love ya and leave ya for now. When I come back I expect everyone to be running Kubuntu ;-)
[08:41] <froud> apokryphos: thanks for the patch
[08:55] <apokryphos> froud-away: for when you get back: what should be put in the Managing Packages section?
[09:16] <claude> does someone know if it's still time to work on translations of hoary release-notes ?
[09:16] <claude> i've got a diff on french translation...
[09:39] <Burgundavia> claude: I have not been involved, but we haven't released yet
[09:40] <claude> so i can send the diff to the list, right ?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> I would do so
[09:41] <claude> k