[12:02] <lamont> dholbach: they're not issues until hoary releases
[12:02] <lamont> then they're issues again
[12:02] <lamont> so it's good to still at least semi-track them...
[12:02] <schweeb> might as well make a DoesNotBuildIA64 page
[12:02] <tseng> Burgundavia: like i said, some of that stuff times out for ogra and I, and others can get to it
[12:03] <dholbach> lamont: seems like it was a buildd issue
[12:03] <tseng> Burgundavia: to be painfully obvious, we dont want that stuff in the first place, so marking a false dead is cool in my book
[12:03] <tseng> such
[12:04] <ogra> tseng, sabdfl isnt lurking ;)
[12:04] <schweeb> hehe
[12:04] <Burgundavia> tseng: I have no opinion, so I leave it as is
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:05] <dholbach> lamont: merci beaucoup :-)
[12:06] <lamont> dholbach: having said that, it looks like it didn't get given back either
[12:06] <lamont> so I did that
[12:13] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: I will be away for two hours, but please let me know which fixes to merge.
[12:13] <Vollstrecker> If it finished till then.
[12:15] <dholbach> Vollstrecker: you're not working on the conflicting files of wx2.4 and wx2.5?
[12:15] <dholbach> it's something else, right?
[12:15] <Vollstrecker> archive.h
[12:16] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:18] <ogra> Burgundavia, does the resolution selection work for you (it relys on xrandr afaik)
[12:18] <ogra> (from System->Settings)
[12:18] <Burgundavia> ogra: no
[12:18] <ogra> ah, ok
[12:18] <Burgundavia> ogra: The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[12:19] <ogra> thats what you get ?
[12:19] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:19] <ogra> nice
[12:19] <Burgundavia> always have with flgrx drivers
[12:22] <ogra> wow, today i recieve nearly every 10mins a new submission....i'll know every system on the planet if i'm done with all this data...
[12:22] <dholbach> hahahaa
[12:23] <ogra> at least all laptop setups ;)
[12:24] <ajmitch> hi all
[12:25] <dholbach> :-))
[12:25] <ajmitch> so today is a fine day for MOTU work! :)
[12:26] <dholbach> ajmitch: have fun: wiki/UniversePriorityList is all yours :-)
[12:26] <ajmitch> haha
[12:30] <dholbach> what was the state of linux-user-mode stuff, was about to chucked out or what?
[12:30] <schweeb> it has a build dep on 2.4.26 for one
[12:30] <dholbach> re-appeared on the list, like a zombie :-)
[12:31] <schweeb> and I talked to mdz, who is the upstream maintainer
[12:31] <dholbach> alright
[12:31] <schweeb> er debian maintainer
[12:31] <schweeb> and he said that it's not currently worth the time to fix
[12:32] <schweeb> 2.4.26 is security hole ridden
[12:32] <schweeb> and it would require a big overhaul to make it work for 2.6 kernels
[12:33] <dholbach> ok
[12:33] <dholbach> *arg* gnucash build-depends on libtool
[12:33] <schweeb> hehe
[12:33] <ajmitch> nasty
[12:33] <dholbach> and on m4
[12:33] <dholbach> nice
[12:37] <ogra> Burgundavia, could you run: lsmod|grep fglrx for me ?
[12:37] <ajmitch> hmm, I'm glad I got home when I did, raining outside now..
[12:37] <ajmitch> just the sort of weather for hacking
[12:38] <tseng> yesh
[12:38] <ogra> or Seveas ^^^
[12:47] <ajmitch> just remove from the list packages that appear to have magically been fixed?
[12:48] <ajmitch> eg: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/portsentry/1.2-5/
[12:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: yip
[12:48] <ajmitch> make[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/echoping-5.2.0'
[12:48] <ajmitch> cd . && automake --gnu Makefile
[12:48] <ajmitch> configure.ac:7: your implementation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE comes from an
[12:48] <ajmitch> configure.ac:7: old Automake version.  You should recreate aclocal.m4
[12:48] <ajmitch> configure.ac:7: with aclocal and run automake again.
[12:48] <ajmitch> Makefile.am: required file `./depcomp' not found
[12:48] <ajmitch> nasty stuff that
[12:50] <dholbach> ajmitch: dpatch-edit-patch 01_reran_aclocal_and_automake  ->  aclocal; automake --gnu -f -> ctrl-d   :-)
[12:50] <ajmitch> eeevil
[12:50] <ajmitch> it only failed on ppc, btw
[12:51] <ajmitch> and it'd require adding the dpatch build dependency :)
[12:51] <dholbach> well yes and editing debian/rules :-)
[12:52] <tseng> mmm dpatch
[12:52] <Burgundavia> ogra: and?
[12:52] <Burgundavia> ogra: fglrx                 237312  7
[12:52] <ogra> ah, thanks, just needed approval, rolling the fixed package now
[12:53] <schweeb> bugger
[12:53] <schweeb> gnome-alsamixer looks to be some gtk+ goofiness I don't understand
[12:58] <ogra> Burgundavia, could you try out http://www.grawert.net/hwdb-client_0.5-0ubuntu3_all.deb ?
[12:59] <ogra> yeesh, i just recieved the hwdb data for a mac mini
[12:59] <schweeb> heh
[12:59] <Burgundavia> ogra: can do
[12:59] <ogra> Burgundavia, thanks
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ogra: got it
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ogra: it worked
[01:01] <ogra> yeah
[01:01] <dholbach> someone around who wants to have a look at #8324?
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ogra: wierd bug though, the forward button seems to be timed
[01:01] <koke> hi motus!
[01:02] <ogra> Burgundavia, timed ?
[01:02] <dholbach> seems like a test, if we can sync fwbuilder
[01:02] <dholbach> hey koke
[01:02] <Burgundavia> ogra: imm. after it ungreys, it is not clickable
[01:02] <ogra> Burgundavia, iz GTK bug ;) a ancient one
[01:03] <ogra> you need to move the mouse away once its weird :=)
[01:03] <Burgundavia> ogra: yes, I see that
[01:03] <Burgundavia> ogra: very annoying
[01:04] <ogra> Burgundavia, you can hit the enter key if youre testing....thats the advantage....(of train a chicken to do i for you)
[01:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: btw, have you done over 250 yet?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> ogra: lol
[01:05] <dholbach> ajmitch: no unfortunately not... was busy with those wretched lists the last days :-)
[01:05] <ajmitch> :)
[01:05] <koke> who did the change in PriorityList from "search" to "logs" ??
[01:06] <dholbach> koke: it's new
[01:06] <dholbach> koke: UniverseDoesNotBuild now is obsolete
[01:06] <koke> there are a lot packages without build problems
[01:06] <dholbach> so i figured it'd be the easiest thing, to check the build-dir
[01:06] <Burgundavia> ogra: hmm, wierd gtk display glitch
[01:06] <koke> like the WithoutDesktopFile
[01:06] <ogra> Burgundavia, yop
[01:06] <dholbach> koke: we're weeding out
[01:07] <Burgundavia> ogra: no different one
[01:07] <ajmitch> koke: well if you want to add extra columns to indicate which category they belong to?
[01:07] <ogra> ??
[01:07] <Burgundavia> ogra: text wierdness
[01:07] <ogra> NOOO
[01:07] <dholbach> koke, ajmitch:those are just from http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/*.html
[01:07] <ogra> Burgundavia, where
[01:08] <dholbach> koke, ajmitch: if you come across one that built on all archs, remove them from the list
[01:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: ok, so it's not the whole collated list of packages to fix, no matter what the problem :)
[01:08] <schweeb> I can't for the life of me get libgdiplus to build either... not even the newer version
[01:08] <Burgundavia> ogra: on video, really minor
[01:08] <dholbach> ajmitch, koke: sorry for all the confusion the lists brought
[01:08] <ogra> Burgundavia, elaborate please
[01:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: no! they're great :)
[01:08] <Burgundavia> ogra: easiest to make you a capture and you can see
[01:08] <ogra> Burgundavia, or mail me a sshot
[01:09] <koke> dholbach: ok, I hope tomorrow I'll be back to real world :D
[01:09] <dholbach> koke: cool :-)
[01:09] <koke> I just came back home yesterday, but some friends are visiting the city
[01:09] <koke> I'm soo tired :)
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ogra: I will
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ogra: what is your email?
[01:11] <dholbach> Burgundavia: hostmaster@grawert.net
[01:11] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:11] <ogra> heh, you just sent me a mail ;)
[01:11] <schweeb> tsocks appears to be building fine now
[01:11] <dholbach> koke: so now you're going to have a beer or something?
[01:11] <koke> dholbach: no, I'm on bed now
[01:11] <ajmitch> has there been any news at all on the status of apt-get.org packages?
[01:12] <koke> relaxing in my universe :)
[01:12] <dholbach> ajmitch: just those 5 mails on the mailing list
[01:12] <ajmitch> ok..
[01:16] <schweeb> lamont: wu-ftpd might need a kick on ia64, builds fine on all others, and the problem looks like a buildd problem
[01:16] <schweeb> lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/w/wu-ftpd/2.6.2-17.2/wu-ftpd_2.6.2-17.2_20050328-0636-ia64-failed
[01:16] <dholbach> crimsun: you'll update xfprint4 then as well?
[01:19] <ogra> Burgundavia, i must admit i dont really see the difference in the screenshots....
[01:19] <ajmitch> what do we need to do about those that just have 1 arch remaining in 'given-back' state?
[01:19] <Burgundavia> ogra: there is a small display glitch with the text
[01:19] <ogra> hmm
[01:21] <thierry> im packaging gdesklets 0.34.3 ... anyone interested to commit the change after?
[01:23] <dholbach> thierry: seb128 is the maintainer afaik
[01:23] <thierry> k...
[01:25] <seb128> hi
[01:25] <seb128> what's the issue with gdesklets ?
[01:26] <dholbach> seb128: <thierry> im packaging gdesklets 0.34.3 ... anyone interested to commit the change after?
[01:26] <thierry> and when there's new dependencies, what do I need to do?
[01:27] <seb128> hum, to be clear
[01:28] <dholbach> thierry: change debian/control
[01:28] <dholbach> thierry: and maybe try building in a pbuilder (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto)
[01:28] <seb128> if somebody want to work on gdesklets, update it, whatever feel free
[01:28] <seb128> but don't break it
[01:28] <koke> bye all
[01:28] <Vollstrecker> If they aren't added automatically while building, you have to set them manually, or check why they aren't set.
[01:28] <thierry> Vollstrecker : k so if they are in the configure.in is it ok?
[01:29] <seb128> thierry: obviously you don't know a lot about packaging, you should read how that works, updating just by guessing what to do will not give anything good
[01:29] <seb128> no
[01:29] <thierry> k
[01:29] <ogra> seb128, how is it possible to break something thats always boken :)
[01:29] <dholbach> thierry: no, you have to change debian/control
[01:29] <seb128> the Build-Depends need to be manually listed
[01:29] <seb128> and the shlibs magic works only with ldd
[01:29] <seb128> ie: not for python
[01:30] <seb128> and to be clear: gdesklets is crap
[01:30] <ogra> :)
[01:30] <seb128> they break compatibility every 2 versions
[01:30] <tseng> seb128++
[01:30] <seb128> and I don't speak about how the desklets are b0rked
[01:30] <tseng> there is a dh_python btw
[01:31] <seb128> dh_python will not guess than you need python-xdg to run
[01:32] <seb128> that works fine for usual stuff, but not for desklets
[01:33] <Vollstrecker> seb128: shlibs works for perl, too. I don't know about python
[01:34] <seb128> no it doesn't
[01:34] <seb128> dh_perl works for perl
[01:34] <seb128> like dh_python for python
[01:35] <thierry> ok, once the configure is updated, is there anything else to fix for the dependencies?
[01:35] <seb128> you don't have to change the configure
[01:36] <thierry> I mean the debian/control
[01:36] <seb128> debian/control.in should reflect the requirements
[01:36] <Vollstrecker> ${perl:Depends}, not shlibs, but it works
[01:36] <Vollstrecker> Now I see what you meant, sry
[01:36] <seb128> what an useless discussion, sure than perl:Depends works
[01:36] <ogra> Vollstrecker, thats the equivalent to dh_perl
[01:36] <Vollstrecker> A little late tonight
[01:37] <ogra> Vollstrecker, here too :) gruss aus der eifel
[01:37] <thierry> so after the debian/control fixed is there anything else to do for dependencies?
[01:37] <Vollstrecker> Gru aus Fulda
[01:37] <ogra> oh, ein hesse
[01:37] <seb128> I don't want to be rude, but learn about packaging instead of changing some random stuff on people advice
[01:37] <thierry> ok
[01:38] <thierry> so where can I learn?
[01:38] <dholbach> thierry: try the build
[01:38] <dholbach> thierry: try building in a pbuilder (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto)
[01:38] <seb128> no no no
[01:38] <seb128> no point to build packages when you don't know what you do
[01:39] <seb128> gdesklets use a debian/control.in, you need to update this one
[01:39] <seb128> not debian/control
[01:39] <seb128> the Build-Depends need to reflect what you need to build
[01:39] <seb128> the Depends what you need to run
[01:39] <thierry> k
[01:39] <seb128> what depends is new ?
[01:39] <thierry> but where can I learn?
[01:40] <thierry> Well, gnome-python and pyorbit
[01:40] <seb128> these depends are not new
[01:40] <Vollstrecker> For debian there are howtos, for ubuntu I don't know.
[01:40] <thierry> well they are not in the configure.in of 0.33.1
[01:40] <seb128> the 0.33.1 configure is broken
[01:40] <seb128> look on debian/control
[01:40] <ogra> Vollstrecker, the package format is the same....we just use a special versioning scheme for ubuntu changes
[01:41] <seb128> python-gnome2 is in the depends
[01:41] <thierry> ok
[01:41] <seb128> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/
[01:41] <seb128> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[01:41] <seb128> about the packaging
[01:41] <ogra> Vollstrecker, so all the debian docs apply
[01:41] <seb128> and python-gnome2 depends on python-pyorbit
[01:42] <thierry> k
[01:43] <thierry> gotta go, thanks guys, I'll learn and come back one day
[01:44] <dholbach> bye thierry
[01:47] <seb128> what is your requirement usually guys ?
[01:47] <seb128> people are supposed to know how the packaging work, or you just upload random stuff as far as the update works ?
[01:47] <dholbach> requirement?
[01:48] <seb128> like thierry who wants to update gdesklets
[01:48] <dholbach> seb128: i hope you can imagine the answer
[01:48] <ogra> seb128, we cross check the packages, until we think the work is sufficient
[01:48] <seb128> I've explained to him how to update the changelog a week ago
[01:48] <seb128> and to update the debian/control
[01:48] <dholbach> seb128: if we don't feel confident in people they don't become MOTUs
[01:48] <ajmitch> yay, got an old imac, might be able to build powerpc stuff now
[01:48] <seb128> but he doesn't even know what the package install, how the control field work, etc
[01:49] <tseng> seb128: we keep giving their stuff back until we are happy with it
[01:49] <seb128> k
[01:49] <tseng> if they arent getting a clue after awhile
[01:49] <tseng> im not sure what to tell them
[01:49] <seb128> because updating gdesklets once is easy, that's basically a changelog update
[01:49] <tseng> people here so far either get it, or are total tools (HG)
[01:50] <seb128> but if there is one change he's screwed because he basically doesn't know anything out of the changelog update and will not notice any issue
[01:50] <seb128> k :)
[01:56] <ogra> dholbach, morgue morgue morgue
[01:57] <dholbach> ogra: go ahead :-)
[01:58] <ogra> heh
[01:58] <dholbach> elmo didnt morgu-ify the others i told him to
[01:58] <dholbach> i think morguifying will be breezy business
[01:59] <ogra> hmm
[02:00] <dholbach> ogra: that's what i like about you: you always think positive :-)
[02:01] <ogra> hehe
[02:11] <dholbach> crimsun: will you get xfprint4 synced too?
[02:11] <dholbach> crimsun: because there's a build issue and i fixed it, before realizing it was xfce - shall i upload it nevertheless?
[02:11] <crimsun> dholbach: yes, and yes
[02:11] <dholbach> ok
[02:11] <dholbach> rock
[02:11] <crimsun> thanks :)
[02:12] <dholbach> de rien :-)
[02:28] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: I got archive.h included. I've done that by hand while interupting the build process with the read instruction. Tommorrow morning I'll modifie the rules, to include it automatically.
[02:29] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: In the 'install-gtk-dev' target?
[02:30] <crimsun> if so, I'll just use a manual install invocation
[02:30] <Vollstrecker> In that lines I gave you. install-gtk-shared-stamp:
[02:30] <crimsun> uh I pasted the wrong target
[02:31] <crimsun> yeah
[02:31] <dholbach> hmmmmm, fresh krack :-)
[02:31] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: ok, I'll make that adjustment and test locally.  Thanks for your troubleshooting.
[02:31] <Vollstrecker> Now I have to look, in which dir it is, when this line is reached, then I can copy it automatically.
[02:32] <Vollstrecker> Maybe you wait, tommorrow morning it will be in debian bts, so you can use your time for some other pkg'd
[02:32] <Vollstrecker> pkg's
[02:32] <crimsun> right, but we might not be able to sync from Sid
[02:33] <Vollstrecker> I can send you the modified lines per mail.
[02:33] <crimsun> if we can, then great; if not, at least wxwidgets2.5_2.5.3.2ubuntu4 will have archive.h
[02:33] <lamont> schweeb: kicked
[02:33] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: ok, great
[02:34] <Vollstrecker> Just give me your adress
[02:34] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: crimsun at fungus dot sh dot nu
[02:35] <Vollstrecker> k, you'll get it when it's finished.
[02:36] <dholbach> gnucash fixed
[02:40] <dholbach> kterm fixed
[02:47] <ajmitch_> dholbach: good work :)
[02:48] <ajmitch_> nfs is giving me issues, otherwise I would have qemu fixed by now.. :)
[02:49] <schweeb> lamont: cool, that kick did it :)
[02:49] <crimsun> ok, building locally.
[02:58] <dholbach> i look at  wing  now
[03:06] <dholbach> wing uploaded
[03:06] <schweeb> dholbach: man, you're on a tear
[03:08] <dholbach> the list now looks quite ok
[03:09] <dholbach> i went through the top 25% and most of packages are in state waiting-for-powerpc/ia64-to-start-building-instead-of-smoking-crack
[03:09] <ogra> hey, youre lagging dholbach ...
 i look at  wing  now
 wing uploaded
[03:09] <ogra> that were 7mins
[03:09] <dholbach> haha :_)
[03:09] <ogra> ;)
[03:10] <dholbach> ok... if the release gets delayed we may even tackle 25%-50%
[03:10] <dholbach> ;-)
[03:10] <ogra> heh
[03:12] <schweeb> is there talk of delay?
[03:13] <dholbach> yes -> #u-d, jdub and mdz had a conversation, due to gnome-2.10.1 release date
[03:16] <schweeb> ahh
[03:18] <ajmitch_> (u-hardened stuff)
[03:25] <dholbach> hey tiil
[03:25] <dholbach> hey tritium
[03:25] <tritium> Hi dholbach
[03:26] <tritium> I have an email from Jorge Bernal
[03:26] <tritium> It takes me to the MOTU page
[03:27] <dholbach> hm? what abouit?
[03:27] <tritium> I'm trying to figure out what it is.  I just figured it out.  It's because I subscribed to that wiki page ;)
[03:27] <tritium> heh
[03:27] <dholbach> ah alright :-)
[03:28] <tritium> Hackers is on TV, so it has dumbed me down.
[03:29] <schweeb> indeed it will do that
[03:29] <dholbach> powermanga done
[03:29] <schweeb> I watched it on DVD the other day, and drooled on myself for the rest of the day ;)
[03:30] <tritium> schweeb, do you find that summation equations float around the air when you write code?  ;)
[03:30] <schweeb> I don't generally write code :)
[03:31] <tritium> Silly movie
[03:33] <tritium> We could take our motto from the movie, with a slight modification:  "Hackers of the universe, unite!" ;)
[03:37] <dholbach> that movie was REALLY silly ;-)
[03:37] <dholbach> although it's been a whilew
[03:37] <tritium> no kidding
[03:39] <dholbach> dict-bouvier done
[03:40] <tritium> dholbach, you're rocking tonight
[03:41] <ajmitch_> qemu builds
[03:41] <dholbach> tritium: it's how i feel, when i don't have to take care of LISTS :-)
[03:41] <tritium> :)
[03:47] <dholbach> liquidwar fixed, looking at ion2
[03:50] <dholbach> woohoo
[03:54] <dholbach> ion2 done
[03:55] <dholbach> someone aware of #8324 and #8327?
[03:55] <zezere> hello there!
[03:55] <dholbach> hey zezere
[03:55] <zezere> where shall i report a broken package?
[03:56] <zezere> dholbach:
[03:56] <dholbach> just tell us
[03:56] <zezere> :D
[03:56] <zezere> cool
[03:56] <dholbach> xmule? fwbuilder?
[03:56] <zezere> ok
[03:56] <zezere> xmule
[03:56] <dholbach> ;-)
[03:56] <zezere> ah!
[03:56] <zezere> :D
[03:57] <dholbach> zezere: i'll put it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[03:57] <zezere> ok
[03:57] <zezere> thank u
[03:57] <dholbach> zezere: but unless debian has a more recent version or someone packages a new upstream version i see very little change this late in the release cycle
[03:58] <dholbach> s/change/chance
[03:58] <zezere> :D
[03:58] <zezere> isn't there any bugzilla for the universe packages?
[03:58] <dholbach> zezere: it's in the work
[03:59] <dholbach> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:59] <zezere> ah!
[03:59] <dholbach> but we're experiencing problems with the backend
[03:59] <dholbach> but we all hope it's ready soon
[03:59] <Burgundavia> zezere: if it breaks, tell us
[03:59] <dholbach> or file a bug for the malone component
[04:01] <zezere> :D
[04:01] <zezere> thank u
[04:01] <dholbach> de rien
[04:01] <zezere> well... bai bai!
[04:01] <dholbach> bye
[04:01] <tseng> where are metallikops mono
[04:01] <zezere> i'll be back when i discover some more bugs...
[04:02] <dholbach> good one
[04:05] <zezere> hm.....
[04:05] <zezere> how do i register in malone
[04:05] <zezere> ?
[04:05] <zezere> there's no such thing as a "register" link
[04:06] <dholbach> you have an account on the main website? like for the wiki?
[04:06] <schweeb> tseng: he started a new job today
[04:06] <schweeb> so he's probably not around
[04:06] <tseng> eh?
[04:06] <schweeb> metallikop
[04:06] <tseng> oh
[04:06] <tseng> yes
[04:06] <schweeb> <--- lives by kop
[04:07] <tseng> oh
[04:07] <tritium> in meecheegan?
[04:07] <schweeb> did he make 1.0.6 packages or 1.1.5?  last I heard, he made 1.1.5
[04:07] <schweeb> tritium: ja
[04:07] <tseng> 1.1.5 i guess
[04:07] <tritium> ;)
[04:07] <tseng> its not on his main page
[04:08] <schweeb> I'm not sure he's put them up anywhere
[04:08] <schweeb> when/where did he mention them?
[04:09] <tseng> beats me
[04:09] <tseng> someone else mentioned it
[04:09] <schweeb> ah
[04:15] <tritium> dholbach, did you and herve get the packages from main removed from the list?
[04:16] <dholbach> xautolock done
[04:16] <dholbach> tritium: herve luckily took care of it
[04:16] <tritium> cool.
[04:25] <dholbach> looking at mgapdesk
[04:28] <dholbach> i'm out with murphy
[04:29] <tseng> that could be taken out of context
[04:52] <dholbach> torcs uploaded
[04:57] <dholbach> nvtv uploaded
[04:57] <tseng> easy there tiger
[04:58] <dholbach> tseng: you're right
[04:59] <dholbach> i think i'll call it the day
[05:02] <dholbach> good night pals, i'm off
[05:05] <StoneTable> I've got a little problem trying to build libgdiplus
[05:05] <StoneTable> It looks like the latest stable version is incompatible with the cairo in hoary
[05:05] <StoneTable> but the unstable version of libgdiplus (1.15+) will build
[05:08] <dholbach> StoneTable: does debian have it?
[05:10] <StoneTable> looks like debian has 1.0.4 of libgdiplus, but (checking)
[05:11] <dholbach> yes
[05:11] <StoneTable> hm. a newer version of cairo, maybe
[05:11] <StoneTable> 0.4.0-1
[05:11] <StoneTable> vs. 0.3.0-1 in hoary
[05:11] <dholbach> so no syncing luck
[05:13] <dholbach> ok... i'm off; StoneTable, i hope, you'll have luck with your experiments :-)
[05:13] <StoneTable> thanks ;0
[05:13] <StoneTable> I'm trying to figure out the next step
[05:14] <dholbach> you could try packageing a new version if their changelog gives some sort of evidence it'd work
[05:15] <dholbach> *wave*
[05:15] <StoneTable> yeah, I'll try that next, thanks
[05:55] <StoneTable> well, built the updated libcairo and libpixman from debian but libgdiplus still isn't building.
[08:46] <encolpe> hi
[09:18] <dholbach> gooood morning
[09:21] <\sh> moening
[09:21] <\sh> -e+r
[09:21] <dholbach> hey \sh
[09:21] <dholbach> how are you?
[09:22] <\sh> tired and working on the emails from last week ;)
[09:22] <dholbach> i'm tired as well ;-)
[09:22] <dholbach> ogra: klingeling? how are YOU?
[09:26] <Treenaks> dholbach: you're not tired.. I am.. *4 hours of sleep*
[09:26] <dholbach> Treenaks: as much as i had
[09:27] <dholbach> Treenaks: look at hoary-changes and you'll see ;-)
[09:27] <Treenaks> dholbach: hmm..
[09:28] <dholbach> *GRR* why didnt half of the crap i uploaded get built?
[09:28] <Treenaks> and an installer upload
[09:28] <Treenaks> and lots of other stuff
[09:29] <dholbach> lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/thread.html
[09:29] <dholbach> all the Universe stuff
[09:29] <Treenaks> yes.. look before that.. xorg, lots of installer components
[09:30] <dholbach> yes
[09:30] <dholbach> TB meeting today
[09:33] <ogra> dholbach, hearly done
[09:33] <ogra> nearly even
[09:34] <dholbach> ogra: Oh good! Jolly good!
[09:34] <ogra> http://www.lanschmiede.net/hwdb-data/
[09:34] <ogra> :-D
[09:35] <ogra> autosubmitted ;)
[09:35] <Treenaks> hwdb-server? :)
[09:35] <ogra> Treenaks, hmm, something like that...the interim...
[09:35] <dholbach> yeah
[09:36] <Treenaks> why 500 <xlogdata> elements, instead of one, which we parse later?
[09:36] <Treenaks> and bootdata
[09:36] <ogra> Treenaks, currently still very ugly and insecure...
[09:36] <ogra> Treenaks, the real server will be a postgers db and cut the file into little pieces...
[09:37] <Treenaks> ogra: yes, but why are you splitting boot and X logs into pieces, instead of keeping them as one big chunk of CDATA?
[09:37] <dholbach> ok, two days for you all to tell me what you did in the MOTU world and liked about it... and liked me to write about it in the MOTU report
[09:38] <Treenaks> dholbach: mail or irc?
[09:38] <ogra> Treenaks, i have worked nearly 25h now, please lets discuss my bad xml later...
[09:38] <Treenaks> ogra: k :)
[09:38] <dholbach> Treenaks: how you like it
[09:38] <Treenaks> I really need my new laptop.. that'll make me so much more productive in MOTU-land
[09:39] <Treenaks> (1.8GHz vs 600MHz, 512M vs 192M)
[09:39] <Treenaks> (80G vs 20G)
[09:40] <dopey> is there a qemu howto somewhere?
[09:40] <dholbach> Treenaks: i'm just glad if we remember everything, it's all nice and pretty and you guys were involved in writing as well ;-)
[09:40] <Treenaks> apt-get install qemu :)
[09:40] <dholbach> hey dopey
[09:40] <dopey> lo dholbach
[09:40] <dopey> Treenaks: i got that far, but the image files that the included debian script generated didnt seem to work
[09:40] <dopey> Treenaks: i'm assuming, of course, that i'm doing something wrong
[09:40] <Treenaks> hmm
[09:40] <dopey> thus was hopefull there'd be such a document available
[09:48] <Burgundavia> qemu -cdrom image.iso
[09:57] <Burgundavia> dopey: expect to use a lot of cpu time and it will look like it has hung a lot of the time
[09:58] <dopey> Burgundavia: i used 'qemu-make-debian-root' to generate a hard disk image - do i also need to create a disk image to do what you suggest?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> dopey: that would be for a live cd
[09:59] <Burgundavia> dopey: that is just to run a livecd
[10:12] <dopey> Burgundavia: at the moment, i'm using 'qemu -hda imagefile' - it just doesnt seem to work
[10:15] <dopey> (by 'doesnt work' i mean takes a long time to not doing anything visible)
[10:17] <dholbach> hey sivang!
[10:19] <dholbach> sivang: how are you?
[10:19] <sivang> dholbach: fine, 'sup?
[10:20] <dholbach> sivang: i'm a bit tired...
[10:21] <sivang> dholbach: anyway, I need to run, laterz buddy :)
[10:21] <dholbach> sivang: but happily gambolling through wiki/UniversePriorityList
[10:21] <dholbach> sivang: have a nice day
[10:21] <sivang> dholbach: thanks!
[10:24] <Burgundavia> dopey: qemu will take a long time to use
[10:24] <Burgundavia> dopey: I am not really conversant on how to use it
[10:24] <dopey> no probs, i'll just leave it for an hour or so then
[10:42] <dholbach> doko: cool you fixed hfsutils *taking it off the list*
[10:43] <GheRivero> good morning!
[10:43] <Treenaks> hey ghe
[11:21] <dholbach> ahhhh knoda, new Krack
[11:30] <dholbach> xonix fixed
[12:14] <dholbach> mark has responded to our apt-get.org mails
[12:16] <jani> hello all
[12:17] <dholbach> hey jani
[12:18] <jani> can you guess why I logged in ;) ?
[12:18] <jani> hint sesame-street :)
[12:19] <jani> nope he's idle for 4 days 10 hours...
[12:28] <ajmitch> dholbach: he has?
[12:29] <dholbach> "Prioritisation of apt-get.org and other .deb imports"
[12:29] <dholbach> u-d@
[12:29] <ajmitch> obviously my mailbox is yet to receive it :)
[12:30] <ajmitch> as is gmane
[12:31] <dholbach> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006235.html
[12:31] <dholbach> and: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006236.html
[12:32] <ajmitch> waiting for thrashing to stop... ;)
[12:33] <dholbach> what could "I'm happy to compromise on getting it "all done" for Hoary, to allow everyone time to polish the Hoary release, as long as we can aim to have Universe be totally comprehensive for Breezy. " possibly mean?
[12:34] <dholbach> i don't grok "compromise" in that context
[12:34] <ajmitch> because we don't have the time before the release
[12:34] <dholbach> to compromise means... leave it for hoary, if you don't make it?
[12:35] <ajmitch> no idea what he means
[12:35] <ajmitch> actually I think he means he's willing to let us drop apt-get.org for now
[12:35] <ajmitch> so long as we get it in for breezy
[12:36] <dholbach> hmm
[12:36] <ajmitch> and let us work frantically on the existing universe packages
[12:36] <dholbach> yeah and morguify half of them
[12:36] <ajmitch> and that we request imports, rather than a wholesale import of everything
[12:36] <dholbach> someone please nudge lamont to rebuild nearly all of those on the lists (powerpc and ia64 in most cases)
[12:36] <dholbach> because murphy needs to get out ;-)
[12:37] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[12:37] <dholbach> see you later
[12:37] <ajmitch> ok, bye
[12:48] <jinty> hoi, I asked around yesterday but think it got lost, anyone want to help me squish a schoolbell bug? there is a patch(http://issues.schooltool.org/file28) ready for uploading for http://issues.schooltool.org/issue185.
[01:03] <dholbach> jinty: i have no permission to read http://issues.schooltool.org/file28
[01:03] <dholbach> hey derdg
[01:03] <dholbach> derdg: did your nick change recently?
[01:05] <derdg> no, i'm in a data centre. left my desktop elsewhere
[01:05] <dholbach> ah alright
[01:12] <dholbach> hey koke
[01:12] <koke> hi!
[01:13] <koke> I don't understand very well the new UniversePriorityList
[01:13] <koke> Almost all the logs are because missing build-deps
[01:13] <dholbach> it shows all the test-builds that failed (at some stage)
[01:13] <dholbach> we remove those that finally built
[01:14] <dholbach> and fix those that have to be fixed
[01:14] <dholbach> for the rest we nudge lamont
[01:14] <jinty> dholbach: drat... pretty silly of me. this then http://issues.schooltool.org/file28/patch
[01:14] <dholbach> and for powerpc/ia64 we should nudge him again
[01:15] <dholbach> jinty: what do you want to with the patch?
[01:16] <dholbach> i mean where could we help?
[01:16] <jinty> a re-upload of schoolbell with that patch
[01:16] <dholbach> ok, will do
[01:17] <jinty> The bug it fixes is pretty serious and I would prefer hoary not to go out with it
[01:17] <jinty> Thanks!!
[01:17] <dholbach> alright
[01:17] <dholbach> i'll do it now
[01:20] <hsprang> hy there :)
[01:23] <dholbach> jinty: done
[01:27] <tseng> just a heads up, im attempting to do everything in my power to make mono 1.1.5 work at this point
[01:27] <tseng> lest we ship beagled with serious memory leaking
[01:27] <dholbach> WOW
[01:28] <dholbach> ROCK
[01:28] <jinty> dholbach: great! thanks a lot!
[01:28] <dholbach> GO AHEAD
[01:28] <tseng> heh.
[01:28] <dholbach> jinty: my pleasure :-)
[02:12] <dholbach> kvdr fixed
[02:30] <dholbach> bbl
[02:41] <Gervystar> tseng: that's great! Thanks for your job!
[02:46] <StoneTable> tseng:  excellent!  I've only been able to get libgdiplus 1.1.5 to build
[04:39] <thierry> I'm trying to follow this page : http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html#s-completebuild but I don't know what is my secret PGP phrase
[04:39] <thierry> How can I find it?
[04:48] <tritium> thierry, you need to setup your gpg key: http://webber.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html
[04:52] <thierry> thanks tritium
[04:53] <tritium> no problem :)
[05:30] <crimsun> morn' :)
[05:30] <tritium> Good morning, crimsun :)
[05:30] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: You got my mail?
[05:30] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: just logging in, actually
[05:30] <Vollstrecker> Burt first, Hi crimsun
[05:33] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: ah, I used a very similar workaround (uploaded 2.5.3.2ubuntu4 last night, already built and in archives)
[05:34] <Vollstrecker> Not so cruelty like mine?
[05:34] <crimsun> almost exactly like yours :)
[05:35] <crimsun> I used install, but otherwise it's identical
[05:35] <Vollstrecker> I never used install.
[05:37] <HostingGeek> Should I try and get $100K tomz or is that pushing it too myxh?
[05:37] <HostingGeek> *much
[05:38] <HostingGeek> I will of cause not accept less than $20k
[05:38] <HostingGeek> ooops
[05:38] <HostingGeek> wrong channel
[05:39] <crimsun> ok, gotta scram.  Will be a few minutes late for TB.
[05:49] <dholbach> hai
[05:50] <Vollstrecker> hi
[05:50] <HostingGeek> hi daniel
[05:51] <tritium> Hi dholbach :)
[05:51] <dholbach> hey you three, how are you?
[05:52] <tritium> Not bad.  How are you?
[05:52] <dholbach> bit tired but ok
[05:52] <dholbach> i'll get myself some tea and start working then ;-)
[05:58] <doko> herve: ping?
[06:01] <dholbach> doko: he's not here... i'll fetch him :-)
[06:02] <herve> heya!
[06:02] <tritium> hey herve
[06:03] <dholbach> doko: may i present you: herv, the incredible! :-)
[06:04] <thierry> is 0.34.3-0ubuntu1 a correct number version for the 0.34.3 package of gdesklets? I'm getting a warning with  lintian -i gdesklets_0.34.3-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[06:04] <doko> herve: you did want to send me an zope-debhlper patch?
[06:04] <herve> thierry, lintian emits this warning for every package we add ubuntu in the revision
[06:05] <herve> doko, er... no...
[06:05] <herve> but Fabio from Debian is looking forward to :-)
[06:05] <dholbach> doko: maybe it was ajmitch
[06:05] <doko> dholbach: no, ajmitch does php4 ...
[06:05] <herve> ajmitch, is a python&zope master too ;-)
[06:06] <herve> anyway, I sens you no patch
[06:06] <koke> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gpm/1.19.6-19ubuntu1/ <-- do you know why there's no logs on i386 and ia64??
[06:06] <dholbach> doko: i got it only a bit wrong:   AndrewMitchell: Hacked up /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/zope.mk to make cdbs packaging of zope products easier. Packaged zope-quills as a test.
[06:06] <dholbach> ;-)
[06:07] <herve> so what do I do here? :-)
[06:07] <tritium> dholbach, where is your report located?
[06:08] <dholbach> tritium: in /home/daniel/notes unfortunately
[06:08] <tritium> heh, okay ;)
[06:12] <herve> then, see you tonight
[06:12] <lamont> koke: good question.  It's installed on all 4 though
[06:36] <koke> dholbach: if the package is built in all arches should be removed from the list??
[06:36] <koke> example : http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/m/mirrormagic/2.0.2.0deb1-2/
[06:36] <dholbach> yes
[06:36] <dholbach> and thanks for that
[06:41] <tritium> dholbach, is there no longer a TB today?
[06:41] <crimsun> it was moved, I forgot
[06:41] <tritium> It was on the calendar until just a few minutes ago ;)
[06:41] <crimsun> I rushed to a place with a more reliable Internet connection, too ;)
[06:42] <dholbach> tritium: mdz just changed it on TechnicalBoardAgenda :-(
[06:42] <tritium> well, maybe you got some exercise ;)
[06:42] <tritium> dholbach, okay
[07:04] <schweeb> hrmph
[07:05] <schweeb> how long does it take a NEW package to go through? I got an email saying it was approved like 6 days ago :-/
[07:05] <dholbach> schweeb: ping elmo
[07:06] <dholbach> but he's really busy
[07:06] <schweeb> yea
[07:06] <dholbach> given the release state
[07:06] <schweeb> I don't really want to bug him
[07:06] <ogra> schweeb, be patient, elmo came back today
[07:06] <dholbach> and compare to packages in debian :-)
[07:06] <schweeb> RC is supposed to come out tomorrow
[07:06] <dholbach> drop him a mail
[07:06] <ogra> schweeb, RC is no issue for universe stuff....it wont be on the CD
[07:06] <schweeb> right
[07:07] <schweeb> but I know that means he's gotta be busy
[07:07] <ogra> yop
[07:08] <dholbach> hey d3vic3
[07:09] <\sh> grmpf
[07:09] <d3vic3> lo dholbach
[07:16] <\sh> i can't decide...mono-c# or python
[07:16] <ogra> python indeed
[07:16] <ogra> hi \sh
[07:19] <\sh> ogra, just started @troisdorf my first c# experiments :)
[07:27] <ogra> heh
[07:38] <koke> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/pdfjam/1.10-1/pdfjam_1.10-1_20050324-0848-powerpc-given-back
[07:38] <koke> this has a build-deps problem
[07:38] <lamont> koke: it's also before 2005-03-24 18:57
[07:38] <koke> but if I do pbuilder login and apt-get build-dep pdfjam, I have no problem
[07:38] <koke> oOp
[07:39] <koke> there are a lot of log like this
[07:39] <koke> is quite confusing for me
[07:39] <lamont> koke: yeah.  ignore them
[07:40] <koke> lamont: ok, but I'm following the priority list, looking for smth to fix
[07:40] <koke> and I can't find a package that actually FTBFS
[07:41] <lamont> ah.
[07:41] <lamont> see people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Test/byDate/
[07:42] <schweeb> gg lamont
[07:42] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/
[07:42] <schweeb> :p
[07:43] <lamont> schweeb: yeah. that.
[07:43] <koke> lamont: there isn't a needs-build list, to mix with priority list??
[07:43] <lamont> buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary-test.needs-build.i386, for example.
[07:43] <koke> lamont: oh! thanks :D
[07:45] <herve> hi all!
[07:46] <dholbach> hey herve
[07:55] <herve> doko, glad to see things got better with Fabio
[08:03] <herve> so... let's get that taxes payed!
[08:08] <schweeb> lamont: hrm, in looking over the bydate log for Test... is Test still supposed to be trying the older version of workrave?  dholbach uploaded 1.6.2-1ubuntu1, and it's still trying to build 1.6.2-1 under Test
[08:08] <schweeb> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/003891.html
[08:09] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/w/workrave/1.6.2-1/
[08:11] <koke> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/x/xbill/2.1-4/xbill_2.1-4_20050326-1904-ia64-failed <-- what does this mean??
[08:13] <schweeb> koke: looks like buildd goofiness... tell lamont to kick it
[08:14] <jani> hello all
[08:14] <schweeb> hello
[08:14] <dholbach> hey jani
[08:14] <jani> wasn't there supposed to be a TB meeting today?
[08:15] <lamont> koke: that's rather common for :03-:04 or :33-:34 time builds.. :-(
[08:15] <schweeb> lamont: problems during mirror uploads?
[08:15] <dholbach> jani: i heard it like 2 hours ago
[08:16] <dholbach> jani: and then changed wiki/Calendar and the channels topic
[08:16] <jani> was cancelled?
[08:16] <lamont> schweeb: the buildd's look at the master archive, for other reasons, and therefore has a slightly larger window where Release.gpg doesn't match Packages.gz
[08:16] <schweeb> gotcha
[08:16] <jani> did you write anything before 'heard it 2 hours ago' ?
[08:17] <dholbach> jani: seems to have been postponed a week ago or something, just didnt know
[08:17] <schweeb> lamont: scroll up for my question about workrave and Test :)
[08:17] <jani> I seem to remember that too but I thought the chan topic is more autjoritative ;)
[08:17] <jani> ok thanks
[08:19] <lamont> schweeb: yeah - Test is a snapshot from last week
[08:19] <lamont> elmo was talking of flatlining it to do a fresh build of everything.
[08:19] <dholbach> *arg* i never use my scanner, now i have to use it and it's unconfigured yet *argl*
[08:19] <lamont> I told him was good by me...
[08:19] <schweeb> yea, sounds like a good idea
[08:19] <lamont> of course, the down side is that it'll rebuild all of main first.  on the upside, that should only take about 6-8 hours, give or take
[08:20] <schweeb> dholbach: I've found USB scanners are pretty simple to set up these days :)
[08:21] <dholbach> schweeb: i hope so... just found the crappy firmware in an .exe file :-)
[08:21] <schweeb> lamont: it'll save some time for false build errors like that, though
[08:21] <lamont> yeah
[08:21] <schweeb> firmware? eww
[08:21] <schweeb> last one I tried just worked OOB
[08:21] <dholbach> schweeb: it was just a crappy some euro scanner
[08:21] <schweeb> ah
[08:21] <dholbach> but it worked with my debian installation... *looking*
[08:21] <schweeb> this was a compaq
[09:04] <koke> I think I've fixed d4x :D
[09:04] <dholbach> WOW cool
[09:04] <dholbach> what was it?
[09:05] <koke> there was gtk code embedded into one file
[09:05] <koke> that obvioulsy crashed with actual gtk code
[09:06] <dholbach> and you fixed it?
[09:06] <koke> it seemed like a disty hack for features available in cvs but not in stable gtk+
[09:06] <dholbach> oh i see, but cool
[09:06] <dholbach> will it be your first upload?
[09:06] <koke> dholbach: yep, in fact, the conflicting code was between /**************/ marks :D
[09:06] <dholbach> :-))
[09:07] <koke> dholbach: some hours ago elmo told me "I'll go see where we're upto with the new MOTUs in a bit"
[09:07] <koke> 05:59 in the logs == ??:?? UTC
[09:08] <dholbach> koke: i guess we're in the same timezone :-)
[09:08] <koke> dholbach: that was around 17:00 ~ 18:00
[09:09] <koke> maybe later
[09:09] <ogra> dholbach, i guess he means lamonts logs...(which are located in the DC, which is in UTC TZ)
[09:09] <koke> ogra: nop, irclogs
[09:09] <ogra> ha, thats fabio, he is in denmark
[09:09] <dholbach> anyway, i saw it too
[09:09] <dholbach> and it was ages ago
[09:09] <ogra> so UTC+1
[09:10] <koke> ogra: it seems there is a 12hrs offset
[09:10] <koke> mybe 11, maybe 13 :P
[09:10] <ogra> nope, there is a 12h clock i guess, not 24h
[09:11] <dholbach> .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#ubuntu-devel.log:Mr 29 17:59:32 elmo       koke: I've been offline with easter weekend too, I'll go see where we're upto with the new MOTUs in a bit
[09:11] <dholbach> so everythings alright: 5:59
[09:12] <siretart> nevening folks :)
[09:12] <dholbach> hey siretart
[09:13] <siretart> I'm again looking through the PriorityList, there seem quite a lot of packages not building because of weird dependency errors. what to do with them?
[09:14] <dholbach> siretart: wait until the magic buildds had a go with them again
[09:14] <siretart> dholbach: ok.
[09:15] <siretart> woah, gcompris is a big beast :)
[09:15] <dholbach> siretart: it's a pain
[09:15] <dholbach> siretart: ask herve :-)
[09:16] <siretart> :)
[09:27] <herve> ?
[09:27] <herve> siretart, I offer you gcompris to fix :-)
[09:28] <dholbach> in the same time you code a new one
[09:28] <siretart> herve: I just downloaded it, but there seems to be some more gtk foo :/
[09:28] <siretart> herve: did you get past this errors: interface.c:51: error: initializer element is not constant
[09:28] <siretart> interface.c:51: error: (near initialization for `menubar1_uiinfo[0] .label')
[09:29] <herve> gtk, .desktop, python...
[09:29] <herve> dholbach, am I forgetting something? :-)
[09:29] <schweeb> hah, have fun with that, siretart
[09:29] <schweeb> I was getting that earlier
[09:29] <schweeb> with gnome-alsamixer I believe it was
[09:29] <schweeb> I couldn't figure out which friggin library it wanted
[09:30] <schweeb> so I set StoneTable off on it :)
[09:31] <herve> guys
[09:31] <herve> note martin pitt just uploaded fixed mozilla-locales-*
[09:31] <herve> I think we have some on our list
[09:35] <siretart> schweeb: herve: did you get past that interface.c:51 error?
[09:41] <mdz> morning guys
[09:41] <mdz> did sabdfl's email satisfy your concerns about the imports from third-party repositories?
[09:42] <herve> siretart, nope
[09:42] <siretart> ok
[09:42] <herve> mdz, we *would* like another repo in ubuntu
[09:42] <herve> not to mix those imports with universe where we can afford another level of QA
[09:43] <mdz> we already have multiverse
[09:43] <herve> isn't it for legal issues?
[09:44] <mdz> herve: currently it is used for software which does not meet Ubuntu licensing guidelines
[09:44] <mdz> but we could redefine it
[09:44] <herve> ha ok
[09:44] <herve> yes why not, multiverse == "you have been warned!"
[09:44] <mdz> right, it already has the right caveats
[09:45] <mdz> as-is, it's up to you to determine whether you have the right to use it, etc.
[09:45] <herve> and maybe move packages to universe when we have a thorough review and can afford the same level of support
[09:45] <StoneTable> yeah, I'm working on that same error, soon as I finish mulching in the front lawn
[09:45] <schweeb> siretart: ^^^
[09:46] <siretart> oh. :)
[09:46] <herve> mdz, right now we have two concern
[09:47] <herve> a big chunck of packages although we're already short on time to fix the existing universe
[09:47] <herve> and a mass of packages to import while we have folks here with NEW packages and a policy to review and add them
[09:49] <mdz> right, did you read the email from Mark?
[09:49] <herve> yes
[09:50] <mdz> basically, we are happy for the MOTU team to set the pace for importing these packages, and for there to be a policy for acceptance
[09:51] <herve> sure
[09:51] <herve> but hoary is not a realistic target for me
[09:51] <herve> breezy is good
[09:56] <crimsun> herve: fixing python-qt3 and python-kde3 now.
[09:56] <herve> crimsun, good luck ;-)
[09:56] <crimsun> yeah, I'll need it ;)
[09:58] <herve> crimsun, python-kde3 is barely to compile from source
[09:58] <herve> seems like I fscked up sip4-qt3 :-/
[09:59] <herve> plop encolpe
[09:59] <crimsun> right now python-kde3 can't be compiled.  I needed to rebuild python-qt3 because the upper version restriction on python2.4-sip4-qt3 is too strong (needed to be << 4.4 instead of << 4.2)
[10:00] <herve> why 4.4?
[10:00] <crimsun> because 4.2ubuntu... is what's available
[10:00] <crimsun> which is does not meet << 4.2 requirement
[10:00] <herve> I mean
[10:00] <crimsun> s/is//
[10:00] <herve> why not << 4.3?
[10:01] <crimsun> I looked at the previous range, which is between 4.0 and 4.2
[10:01] <crimsun> if you think 4.3 is sufficient, I'll bump it down
[10:01] <herve> I don't know at all :-)
[10:01] <herve> but since we don't know 4.3
[10:02] <herve> (doesn't exist even)
[10:02] <herve> let's limit to this one
[10:02] <crimsun> and minor is usually development where A[BP] I breaks, ok
[10:02] <herve> if you need to
[10:02] <encolpe> Hi
[10:02] <herve> debian uploaded a new python-qt3 today
[10:02] <herve> with both python 2.3 and 2.4 modules generated
[10:03] <encolpe> all ?
[10:03] <herve> crimsun, not all software have the same versionning scheme
[10:03] <crimsun> herve: ok, so what do you wish the range restriction to be?
[10:03] <herve> << 4.3
[10:04] <herve> because the future is unknown :-)
[10:04] <crimsun> that's what I did
[10:04] <crimsun> (the rebuild just restarted about 30 seconds ago)
[10:04] <herve> rock, now you can light a candle ;-)
[10:06] <siretart> I found the cause for the lxdoom failing to build: http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=414
[10:07] <siretart> its a bug in the linker :(
[10:07] <herve> siretart, woah!
[10:07] <siretart> patch applied, I wonder if there are also packages in main suffering from this problem..
[10:08] <siretart> s/applied/attached to the bugreport/
[10:08] <herve> yeah, that's not what I call "applied" ;-)
[10:08] <herve> crimsun, the configure script succeeded?
[10:09] <siretart> srry, should think more before hitting <return> *G*
[10:09] <herve> man... I haven't eaten yet :-/
[10:09] <dholbach> zul and i were talking about the kernel situation in universe:
[10:09] <dholbach> zul since the debian kernel guys changed the name of the package we suggested that you guys sync with debian 2.6.8 and get the ones for the arch we support
[10:09] <dholbach> dholbach what about the 2.4 stuff?
[10:09] <dholbach> dholbach the patches and everything
[10:09] <dholbach> zul gimme a sec..:)
[10:09] <dholbach> dholbach alright
[10:09] <dholbach> oh sorry
[10:10] <dholbach> now zul invites me to #u-kernel ;-)
[10:10] <zul> ok..
[10:10] <zul> nah..here is fine
[10:10] <herve> dholbach, you flooder :-)
[10:10] <dholbach> confusion perfect
[10:10] <siretart> ah, and this seems to be debian #274929
[10:11] <zul> dholbach: yeah if you guys sync debian 2.6.8 for the arches we support
[10:11] <zul> ie  386,686,686-smp,k7,k8,powerpc,ia64, and sparc that would be cool
[10:12] <dholbach> what about 2.4?
[10:12] <dholbach> all the patches, images?
[10:12] <zul> 2.4 should be ok as well, i would say the images just for now
[10:12] <dholbach> loads of the meta-packages aren't installable
[10:12] <zul> grr...
[10:13] <zul> i think that would be up to you guys..
[10:14] <dholbach> ok... we leave the images that we support (last version, right?) and we're set?
[10:15] <zul> dholbach: yes 2.6.8 for the arches i listed about im waiting for confirmation about hppa
[10:15] <dholbach> and for 2.4 the same
[10:15] <zul> i would say 2.4.29
[10:15] <dholbach> wow... they have it already?
[10:16] <zul> its in the svn
[10:16] <dholbach> argl
[10:16] <dholbach> we really have loads of things to do
[10:16] <zul> actually 2.4.27 would probably be better
[10:16] <dholbach> i can't promise that we make it
[10:16] <dholbach> not at all
[10:16] <zul> sure no problem
[10:16] <crimsun> herve: yes.
[10:17] <crimsun> herve: we're supposed to maintain the python2.3 packages, correct?
[10:19] <siretart> HA! I got lxdoom building on amd64 :)
[10:20] <herve> crimsun, yes
[10:20] <herve> siretart, you ROCK!
[10:20] <crimsun> herve: argh.  That means I have to create another build target in debian/rules and populate debian/ .
[10:20] <siretart> herve: there where 2 "extern int errno;" statments in lxdoom source. replacing them with an #include <errno.h> helped
[10:21] <siretart> herve: I'll prepare a package..
[10:21] <herve> siretart, I hope you made a nice dpatch patch ;-)
[10:21] <siretart> herve: not yet, I'm on it..
[10:21] <siretart> ;)
[10:22] <siretart> herve: I don't own an amd64, this was remote on a friends machine ;)
[10:22] <herve> you know tseng page about dpatch?
[10:22] <herve> (tseng's page)
[10:22] <siretart> herve: I'm used to dpatch, thanks. but tseng's page?
[10:22] <siretart> I don't think I know that site..
[10:23] <herve> tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[10:23] <siretart> ah, nice page, thanks for the link..
[10:28] <ajmitch_> morning
[10:28] <tritium> good morning, ajmitch
[10:29] <herve> hey koke !
[10:29] <herve> hi ajmitch
[10:30] <koke> hi!
[10:30] <tritium> Hello koke :)
[10:32] <tritium> ogra, I believe I've fixed xawtv.  I edited the wiki to request a review for it.
[10:38] <siretart> lxdoom awaiting review/sponsoring, wiki updated
[10:39] <herve> siretart, you managed to make it pbuild on your friend's computer?
[10:39] <tritium> herve, what's the procedure here?  Who is supposed to review for us?
[10:40] <herve> I could
[10:40] <siretart> herve: yeah, he granted me root access in a chroot. nice guy ;)
[10:40] <herve> if I have time
[10:40] <herve> but can't upload
[10:40] <herve> siretart, I'd prefer a pbuild
[10:40] <herve> (if I had time)
[10:40] <herve> I even haven't eaten yet :-/
[10:41] <tritium> herve, no worries.
[10:48] <herve> good!
[10:48] <herve> I don't have taxes to pay this year
[10:48] <herve> I mean, for 2004
[10:51] <encolpe> me too
[10:51] <encolpe> :)
[10:53] <herve> which I hardly believe...
[10:53] <herve> :-)
[10:53] <encolpe> weddings
[10:54] <herve> good catch ;-)
[10:54] <encolpe> -s
[10:54] <encolpe> just do it ;)
[10:55] <schweeb> odd
[10:55] <schweeb> my package is now in the archive now, but never got announced to hoary-changes
[10:56] <herve> schweeb, I've experienced the same
[10:59] <schweeb> hrm
[11:00] <schweeb> does mono even work on ia64 or amd64?  should I change gsf-sharp so it doesn't build at all on ia64 and amd64?
[11:00] <herve> no s
[11:08] <koke> herve: no s?? ;)
[11:08] <herve> feel free to correct my Spanish ;-)
[11:10] <koke> herve: it's correct, but surprised me :)
[11:10] <siretart> does anybody here use xfce? xfcalendar seems an easy target to fix *hint* :)
[11:11] <schweeb> jani and crimsun are working on xfce, I believe
[11:12] <herve> koke, this being correct does surprise me!
[11:12] <crimsun> well, we're doing more waiting currently
[11:12] <schweeb> still waiting for elmo to sync?
[11:12] <crimsun> waiting on elmo to merge 4.2
[11:13] <crimsun> err, sync.
[11:13] <herve> I haven't practiced Spanish for more than 5 years
[11:13] <tritium> crimsun, you care to review xawtv for me if you're waiting?
[11:13] <crimsun> tritium: in 15 mins, ok.
[11:13] <tritium> sure, thanks
[11:13] <herve> heya dredg !
[11:13] <crimsun> (trying to iron out some python2.[34] -qt3 issues ;-)
[11:13] <dredg> hi
[11:14] <schweeb> think I've run out of packages I'm capable of fixing :-/
[11:14] <tritium> no problem, crimsun.  Only if you have time
[11:14] <siretart> well, xfcalendar seems to be missing a build dependency on libxinerama, but I've seen in the wiki that there is some more foo to xfce, so I better leave this package off to crimsun ;)
[11:14] <herve> crimsun, you'r recompiling python-qt3?
[11:14] <crimsun> herve: yeah, I need an updated version for python-kde3
[11:15] <herve> crimsun, because DD made what you want to do today ;-)
[11:15] <herve> (the debian dev)
[11:17] <crimsun> oh yeah, I could have just waited duh
[11:17] <crimsun> totally didn't register with me ;)
[11:17] <herve> and I told you when you said you began :-p
[11:18] <crimsun> yeah, but by that point I was already hacking up debian/rules :)
[11:18] <crimsun> (and my mirrors don't get the dinstall updates til ~4 PM EST)
[11:18] <crimsun> I'll compare his debian/rules with mine
[11:19] <herve> note he rewrote almost it
[11:19] <herve> (almost rewrote it)
[11:19] <herve> (it's the zero spelling mistake night!)
[11:20] <crimsun> hehe
[11:20] <dholbach> re
[11:21] <siretart> hping3 seems to just need an resync from debian for fixing ftbfs on amd64
[11:21] <dholbach> i sense activity on UniversePriorityList
[11:21] <crimsun> re
[11:24] <herve> dholbach, to tell that like you sensed a change in the balance of the force ;-)
[11:24] <dholbach> yes, exactly :-)
[11:25] <herve> dholbach, good news, I don't pay taxes this year ;-)
[11:26] <herve> crimsun, I reaffected python-kde3 to you
[11:26] <dholbach> herve: coool :-))))
[11:27] <crimsun> herve: I don't know whether to cry or to cry :D
[11:28] <siretart> MOTUToSync updated
[11:35] <herve> good
[11:35] <herve> scummvm fixed itself
[11:37] <koke> I wanted to make my first upload but elmo does not answer :(
[11:37] <koke> someone wants to upload d4x for me?
[11:37] <herve> wasn't someone working on gnome-alsamixer?
[11:37] <schweeb> StoneTable is still, I think
[11:38] <schweeb> it was having the same kind of issues as gcompris
[11:38] <schweeb> koke: do you know if mako sent him your key?  mako's not around today, as he's at the groklaw case
[11:39] <koke> schweeb: I have no idea
[11:39] <StoneTable> ya
[11:39] <schweeb> koke: try again, elmo was just around...
[11:40] <schweeb> or, you could just try uploading
[11:40] <schweeb> if your key works, it'll go in the archive, if not, it'll silently disappear (although I dunno if this causes other problems)
[11:40] <koke> schweeb: already silently disappeared ;-)
[11:40] <schweeb> ah
[11:41] <schweeb> well then, either mako hasn't sent it, or elmo hasn't added it
[11:41] <dholbach> schweeb: that won't take long... trust me
[11:41] <dholbach> with the good work you do
[11:42] <schweeb> :D
 koke: hmm, no, you're not in mako's list yet <-- bad news :(
[11:42] <herve> I must admit the motu did incredible work today
[11:42] <herve> I mean all people, not just granted motu maintainers ;-)
[11:42] <dholbach> koke: *arg*
[11:43] <dholbach> koke: ask someone to give him his phone number :-)
[11:43] <dholbach> herve: HEAR! HEAR!
[11:43] <herve> dholbach, hu... have you taken your pills? :()
[11:43] <tritium> I'm off for now.  I'll be back this evening.
[11:43] <herve> :-)
[11:43] <herve> bye tritium
[11:43] <koke> dholbach: who has the number??
[11:43] <tritium> bye herve, and everyone :)
[11:43] <dholbach> tritium: packages on the normal place?
[11:43] <tritium> dholbach, yes, my repo
[11:44] <koke> dholbach: and... it's urgent enough?? :P
[11:44] <schweeb> I'd like to fix more packages, but it appears as though most of the bugs are not for my platform, or code related (api changes, etc...)
[11:44] <tritium> Thanks for reviewing, dholbach!
[11:44] <dholbach> koke: it was more a joke, but you could ask the guys on #ubuntu-devel
[11:45] <herve> StoneTable, remember to remove a package from the list when you book it in "Working on"
[11:45] <herve> we desperately need to see that list shrink :-)
[11:45] <StoneTable> oh, pull it from the list?  okay, I didn't realize that :)
[11:46] <schweeb> should we be pulling things like kismet out of the list that only won't build on ia64?
[11:46] <herve> the idea is to make package go up to "Done"
[11:46] <herve> which is the heaven of motu package :-)
[11:46] <dholbach> hehe
[11:46] <herve> schweeb, currently won't or never ever?
[11:46] <StoneTable> yeah, what about if I'm only working on one platform, but it won't build on several?
[11:47] <schweeb> herve: not before hoary release... it needs snacc, which is uncompilable on amd64
[11:47] <schweeb> er ia64
[11:47] <herve> schweeb, ok, just postponed then
[11:48] <herve> schweeb, the way it is in "Can't build" is fine
[11:48] <schweeb> it's already noted that it won't build
[11:48] <schweeb> so should it be removed from lower down
[11:49] <herve> ha yes
[11:49] <herve> but leave the link to the build logs
[11:49] <herve> er
[11:49] <herve> forget about it
[11:50] <herve> snacc' logs are the ones important
[11:50] <schweeb> right
[11:50] <schweeb> well, since most of the remaining bugs are obscure, I'll go through and weed out some stuff like that tonight
[11:51] <siretart> :)
[11:51] <herve> schweeb, a cleaning is welcome, so we see the real work we have left
[11:52] <herve> er... not today :-)
[11:52] <dholbach> always
[11:52] <dholbach> you'll always be "Herv 'pass da cookie' Cauwelier" to me :-)
[11:52] <herve> gaaa
[11:52] <herve> I'm sure someone fixed/touched xawtv tonight!
[11:53] <dholbach> tritium
[11:53] <dholbach> i'm reviewing it
[11:53] <herve> dholbach, don't push it too far ;-)
[11:53] <herve> was just for moving it in our workflow
[11:53] <dholbach> hehe :-)
[11:59] <siretart> good night, folks, gotta get some sleep for tomorrow ;)
[11:59] <herve> good night siretart
[11:59] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:59] <herve> thanks again!
[11:59] <dholbach> you're exam tomorrow?
[11:59] <dholbach> thought it was thursday?
[11:59] <siretart> dholbach: yeah, but tomorrow is the last day to learn/exercise something
[12:00] <dholbach> oh good so i remembered right
[12:00] <dholbach> sleep tight siretart
[12:00] <siretart> ;)
[12:00] <siretart> thanks. same to you all :)